| 00:00.00 | runixd | mtnman, can I pass interfaces to iwconfig for validation? |
| 00:00.05 | Oliver | doub: it makes me run around the office like a loony, usually far less productive :) |
| 00:00.10 | doub | Oliver: especially some good scotch |
| 00:00.13 | mtnman | runixd: not sure what you are trying to ask. |
| 00:00.45 | runixd | mtnman, what do you mean by " have you run iwconfig to confirm your settings" "i suggest you do so." |
| 00:00.51 | runixd | argh |
| 00:00.57 | doub | Oliver: yep. but productivity is not the main problem in this case. getting your salary is ;) |
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| 00:01.18 | mtnman | runixd: why not make it easy for me to help you? |
| 00:01.43 | mtnman | runixd: as root run "iwconfig" |
| 00:01.45 | doub | Oliver: and it depends on what you drink. some of them make me talkative, and i guess it's the same for most people |
| 00:01.51 | jnk | runixd, get your network working with iwconfig, dhclient, etc. then use ifup/ifdown |
| 00:02.01 | jnk | when it works |
| 00:02.20 | mtnman | jnk: that is what i'm trying to get at, but he insists he's configured properly already. |
| 00:02.22 | doub | BhaalWK: netbsd isn't as easy as linux, IIRC |
| 00:02.32 | reagent | my package just got uploaded by my sponsor. Where can I check it's state and in what queue it is? I only know incoming.debian.org |
| 00:02.36 | doub | BhaalWK: or maybe is it just a matter of habits |
| 00:02.49 | runixd | ok mtnman , jnk , I'll give it a go |
| 00:02.57 | dad | hey, all! |
| 00:03.07 | doub | dad: hi |
| 00:03.07 | mtnman | runixd: if you simply answer the questions i ask you, it makes things easier. |
| 00:03.20 | dad | any special instructions for upgrading from stable to testing? |
| 00:03.29 | nunez | drac, thanks man, it worked |
| 00:03.40 | doub | mtnman: you seem to be way too shure of yourself in this respect ;) |
| 00:03.42 | mtnman | dad: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 00:03.47 | jim | dad: not really... just alter sources.list, update, dist-upgrade |
| 00:03.56 | jim | what mtnman sadi |
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| 00:04.10 | dad | mtnman: thanks. appreciate it. |
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| 00:04.22 | mtnman | dad: welcome. |
| 00:04.44 | mtnman | doub: notice i said "easier" not "easy" |
| 00:05.10 | nunez | drac, it doesnt see jre? |
| 00:05.15 | doub | mtnman: true |
| 00:05.21 | dad | jim: already did, only w/ -d (dialup sux, and i don't want to pull the trigger w/o having all the packages local) |
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| 00:05.35 | jim | doub: it's true; if people would just answer the informational question, that does make it easier for the helpers |
| 00:05.36 | drac | nunez: now you have java, on firefox too. hmm. 'dpkg -l | grep j2re' |
| 00:05.57 | nunez | ii sun-j2re1.5 1.5.0+update03 Java(TM) 2 RE, Standard Edition, Sun Microsy |
| 00:06.07 | doub | jim: yes, but that would require them to understand the question, which is not always the case |
| 00:06.10 | mtnman | jim: s/easier/non-impossible/ :) |
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| 00:06.43 | jim | dad: try another -d... also, you might not be able to avoidcertain packages requiring something new out of the blue |
| 00:07.08 | jim | but most likely they'll install |
| 00:07.21 | jim | without downloading more |
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| 00:08.27 | nunez | drac, did you see that? |
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| 00:09.14 | dad | jim thanks. i figured since sarge is 'frozen' now would be a good time to upgrade |
| 00:09.18 | kyensial_ | hi, how can i change my screen resolution from kde desktop ? |
| 00:09.27 | jim | dad: probably so |
| 00:09.31 | drac | nunez: it looks good to me. |
| 00:09.31 | Azar | anyone has any idea why my nethack game will not open anymore? Sarge upgrade, kernel 2.6.8 upgrade and Xserver XF86Config-4 here wanting to play in text mode |
| 00:09.35 | chealer | kyensial_: in kcontrol |
| 00:09.47 | doub | i've got a computer-noob friend just uploading stuff using sftp on its windoze machine, using winscp, at the wonderful rate of 2.4 kb/s, whereas available bandwidth is like 35 kb/s. has someone a clue as to why? can things go any better in some sort of magical way? |
| 00:09.48 | chealer | kyensial_: peripherals->screen |
| 00:10.33 | mtnman | doub: are you asking why windoze suxors? |
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| 00:10.48 | doub | mtnman: no, i'm searching for the bottleneck |
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| 00:10.58 | mtnman | doub: windoze is ot here. |
| 00:11.22 | Flimzy | Where can I find (or how can I derive) working framebuffer modes? |
| 00:11.30 | doub | mtnman: of course. but my server runs debian, and the bottleneck might be some kind of misconfiguration |
| 00:11.50 | mtnman | doub: since it is windoze, i would suspect spy/adware as a culprit. |
| 00:11.55 | nunez | drac, OOPS, unable to locate java exec in /usr/java/ hierarchy |
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| 00:12.11 | jim | does spyware run on linux? |
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| 00:12.21 | jim | what are the forms of spy/adware? |
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| 00:12.23 | drac | nunez: You installed the second file, NOT the RPM one from that page? |
| 00:12.24 | mtnman | jim: apt-cache search spyware :) |
| 00:12.28 | dondelelcaro | jim: if it runs at root, sure. |
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| 00:12.54 | jim | mtnman: what's that? |
| 00:13.07 | mtnman | jim: a feeble attempt at humor. |
| 00:13.11 | jim | ahh :) |
| 00:13.12 | nn | whats a good gnutella/gnutella2 and better client for kde (or even gnome or neither) |
| 00:13.13 | nunez | drac, yeah, but I have installed jdk and jre before without dpkg |
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| 00:13.28 | jim | sorry, too tired :) |
| 00:13.31 | drac | nunez: ah dunno then, sorry to say but that's prolly fucked up your system. |
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| 00:13.45 | nunez | drac, anyways to go about uninstalling it? |
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| 00:13.47 | drac | it's trying to start wrong java :/ |
| 00:13.51 | drac | yep |
| 00:13.57 | doub | mtnman: it's not mandatory. that CAN be the problem, but not for shure. and don't get me wrong, i'm also trying to bash windoze in every possible situation. but I'm trying to be rational here |
| 00:14.43 | mtnman | doub: that would be my first suspect. i've seen windoze boxes practically sieze over dialup when infested with malware. |
| 00:14.43 | doub | mtnman: if you can provide me with a means to turn every people to linux or unix, i'll do it as soon as i can |
| 00:14.49 | jim | but seriously,,, what is spyware, and why do sites claim to have detected some on a linux box? |
| 00:15.05 | mtnman | !dict spyware |
| 00:15.07 | dpkg | could not find definition for spyware |
| 00:15.11 | jim | not "what is" but "what is the form of" |
| 00:15.17 | cafuego | jim: Dumb sites perhaps. |
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| 00:15.52 | cafuego | jim: They probably check the HTTP_USER_AGENT string for substrings and report if they find a match. |
| 00:15.55 | jim | if I want to protect against spyware at say a gateway, what to do? |
| 00:16.02 | kyensial_ | ah i cant find that screen setting on my Kmenu |
| 00:16.08 | jim | oic |
| 00:16.14 | cafuego | jim: I know I wrote one site that tells the user if they have FunWebProducts shit installed. |
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| 00:16.24 | doub | mtnman: i've been able to go out with beautiful women. that's anecdotal evidence, as they were quite always drunk |
| 00:16.26 | cafuego | (plus a link to what it does and how to remove it) |
| 00:16.30 | chealer | kyensial_: ask #debian-kde |
| 00:16.30 | conga | hey was it a bug in ifup? |
| 00:16.40 | conga | after i upgrade i couldnt get online |
| 00:16.42 | doub | mtnman: what i mean is that it's not statistically representative |
| 00:16.54 | mtnman | doub: were you also drunk? if so, perhaps they were not as beautiful as you think. |
| 00:17.01 | jim | doub: evidently you were able to get them to feel attraction for you |
| 00:17.23 | kyensial | chealer : ok, thx |
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| 00:17.50 | jim | "the more beautifuler I stand, the more drunker you are" |
| 00:17.56 | infotic11 | hola |
| 00:18.08 | doub | !es |
| 00:18.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:18.13 | Azar | I can't use the freshly installed nethack :( |
| 00:18.27 | jim | cant' use? why? |
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| 00:19.18 | Azar | it say it is not installed |
| 00:19.23 | Azar | but I just apt-get install it |
| 00:19.30 | doub | jim: yes, but that's not significant. unless i manage to get every woman i want to go out with to drink first, but that's a little cheating ;) |
| 00:20.00 | doub | mtnman: i've been awake the next morning |
| 00:20.31 | mtnman | doub: losing interest in this line of conversation. |
| 00:21.03 | doub | mtnman: that's not very interresting, i must admit |
| 00:21.41 | Azar | anyone can please tell me what is not working here? apt-get install nethack .... Azar@box:~# nethack ..... -bash: nethack: command not found |
| 00:21.49 | jim | all you have to do now is figure out what other than alc generates attraction ;) |
| 00:22.09 | jim | try /usr/games/nethack |
| 00:22.12 | dvs | Azar: Maybe the command isn't called "nethack" |
| 00:22.22 | doub | jim: all sorts of very difficult things to do : getting a life, for example ;) |
| 00:22.23 | chealer | !info nethack |
| 00:22.32 | dpkg | nethack: (Overhead dungeon-crawler game (dummy package)), section games, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-7 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
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| 00:22.41 | chealer | Azar: nethack is a game |
| 00:22.46 | Phated | Uhm... You don't have games in your path at root, do you. |
| 00:22.49 | Phated | as. |
| 00:22.54 | Azar | the file does not exist it only installed me nethackrc.tty and nethackrc.x11 |
| 00:23.18 | mtnman | azar: are you, perhaps, trying to run nethack as root? if so, try as a regular user. |
| 00:23.31 | Azar | oh |
| 00:23.33 | Azar | oh |
| 00:23.56 | Azar | no |
| 00:24.02 | Azar | is not running :( |
| 00:24.15 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.24 | Azar | chealer I used to have nethack before I up to Sarge and 2.6.8 |
| 00:24.30 | Azar | now I do not have not more |
| 00:24.43 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.58 | Azar | jim, nethack is not there |
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| 00:25.07 | jim | hmm |
| 00:25.11 | Azar | so if apt installed it, I don't know where |
| 00:25.12 | jim | maybe it's split |
| 00:25.17 | Azar | um |
| 00:25.17 | runixd | mtnman, thanx man, BEST advice ever |
| 00:25.28 | mtnman | runixd: which advice? |
| 00:25.30 | Azar | ok I will try to download from http |
| 00:25.42 | mtnman | runixd: in any case, you're welcome. |
| 00:25.43 | Delph | uhhm |
| 00:25.44 | chealer | Azar: tried dpkg -L nethack? |
| 00:25.48 | runixd | mtnman, iwconfig |
| 00:26.04 | mtnman | runixd: oh, yeah, that. |
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| 00:26.10 | mtnman | runixd: all fixed? |
| 00:26.17 | Delph | chealer: that's very broken. |
| 00:26.21 | runixd | mtnman, got it to work, had to spec MAC and enable Encryption (Don't ask me why) |
| 00:26.31 | Delph | i can run nethack, but dpkg -S `which nethack` returns nothing |
| 00:26.32 | Azar | thanks chealer: package "nethack" is not installed |
| 00:26.34 | LuPuZ | Anyone heard of any way to get Debian working with 2 NIC's at the same time? i have been searching everywhere (feels like it) with no results :( |
| 00:26.53 | Azar | so apt-get install nethack did not installed the game |
| 00:26.56 | dvs | LuPuZ: Huh? That's easy. man interfaces |
| 00:27.01 | Azar | it installed something but not the game |
| 00:27.06 | jim | LuPuZ: my gateway router has two nics |
| 00:27.15 | doub | LuPuZ: you can get it to work with as many NICS as your mobo can support |
| 00:27.24 | LuPuZ | they need to co-work... so i can use 50% from each of it... |
| 00:27.26 | Delph | aah |
| 00:27.29 | chealer | Azar: do you have the nethack package installed? |
| 00:27.37 | Delph | Azar: nethack-console is what you're looking for. |
| 00:27.38 | doub | LuPuZ: you want bonding? |
| 00:27.40 | mtnman | jim: three on mine. soon to be four. |
| 00:27.45 | jim | one's connected to cable modem, other's connected to hub representing internal network |
| 00:27.46 | Azar | I have a /nethack directory in /etc |
| 00:27.48 | dvs | LuPuZ: I think that's called load balancing |
| 00:27.53 | jim | so you mentioned :) |
| 00:27.55 | Azar | Delph!! yes!! |
| 00:27.56 | dad | interresting - apt-get dist-upgrade tells me 492 packages will be upgraded, and aptitude dist-upgrade says the number is 673 :( |
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| 00:28.24 | Delph | hmm |
| 00:28.26 | mtnman | dad: different algorithms. |
| 00:28.29 | LuPuZ | dunno what bonding means... but i have 2 10mbit connections with 2 ip addresses.. 67 and 68 at the end... and i want them to be able to use like 100% one 1 process and 100% on another |
| 00:28.40 | Delph | do packages not take reponsibility for values set up in /etc/alternatives/ ? |
| 00:28.43 | doub | dad: aptitude installs recommended packages whereas apt-get only installs dependencies |
| 00:28.58 | dad | i've aleady got ~375 packages locally in /var/cache/.... |
| 00:29.00 | Delph | how can i find out which package actually setup the particular value in there? |
| 00:29.02 | LuPuZ | have been searching but no results on how to get it to work |
| 00:29.21 | ethics | dad: aptitude installs recommended automatically i think thus more to add.....although that does sound wrong to me too as it would say NEW to add/ upgrade as 2 different things shouldnt it |
| 00:29.37 | doub | Delph: it's setup with postinstall scripts AFAIK, so there's no easy way to know |
| 00:30.09 | Azar | ouch |
| 00:30.11 | dad | aptitude says: 673 packages upgraded, 350 newly installed, 115 to remove and 5 not upgraded |
| 00:30.15 | Azar | lost connection there :) |
| 00:30.30 | doub | Delph: maybe you can grep for update-alternatives in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 00:30.39 | dad | and apt-get says: 493 packages upgraded, 246 newly installed, 270 to remove and 39 not upgraded |
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| 00:30.49 | LuPuZ | not anyone heard of a way to get it to work? |
| 00:31.06 | doub | LuPuZ: you need to set it up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:31.15 | Delph | doub: ah well, was wondering if there was some magic dpkg lala I was missing |
| 00:31.25 | dvs | LuPuZ: Have you read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/networking/bonding.txt ? |
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| 00:31.49 | LuPuZ | nope i haven't dvs |
| 00:31.53 | LuPuZ | gonna have a look now |
| 00:31.56 | jmd | Anyone know how I can read the temperature (etc) info from my motherboard ? |
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| 00:32.09 | cmatheson | hey i'm trying to install debian on my laptop using one of the unofficial netinst cds... the installation starts off fine but then it dies when trying to install some software (it says the md5 sums don't match up in the console)... is it a bad iso or a bad burn? |
| 00:32.17 | mtnman | jmd: you probaly want lm-sensors |
| 00:32.20 | shingouz | lmsensors jmd |
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| 00:32.38 | doub | LuPuZ: what are you trying to do ? do you want to use both interfaces for the same network ? bonding is the answer then |
| 00:32.44 | shingouz | cmatheson: Where did you get the iso from |
| 00:32.50 | dad | but can't i just fill the dependencies, and than choose which other packages i want later?? |
| 00:32.51 | adexta | what are important system files i should backup, like /etc/hosts and the like? |
| 00:32.57 | LuPuZ | i can't find that bonding.txt |
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| 00:33.04 | LuPuZ | did a find but no results |
| 00:33.15 | jmd | adexta, I would back up everything under /etc |
| 00:33.18 | dvs | LuPuZ: You need the kernel source |
| 00:33.21 | cmatheson | shingouz: it's a link from debian.org (but it's unofficial... it's the LordSUCH.com image |
| 00:33.26 | chealer | dad: the dependencies of what? |
| 00:33.28 | doub | LuPuZ: if you're trying to setup a router, it's not the same problem |
| 00:33.32 | dvs | LuPuZ: or use google to find one. |
| 00:33.35 | jmd | adexta, It's not very big (usaually) |
| 00:33.39 | shingouz | !tell cmatheson about d-i |
| 00:33.46 | shingouz | cmatheson: One of those? |
| 00:33.46 | jeff_ | i was wondering if anyone could help me switch from the standard x driver for a video card to the driver for a voodoo 3dfx |
| 00:33.47 | doub | dad: kernel-doc also has them |
| 00:33.56 | LuPuZ | doub: no it's not a router... it's an company ftp and homepage |
| 00:34.14 | cmatheson | shingouz: mmm, maybe, i just got it from the 'netinst' link on the debian homepage |
| 00:34.19 | dad | chealer: was discussing the differences between apt-get dist-upgrade and aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 00:34.29 | cmatheson | i got impatient waiting for a whole standard cd to download |
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| 00:34.59 | lilo78 | Hola quittt |
| 00:35.05 | shingouz | cmatheson: Ok, should be one of the "semi official"images then |
| 00:35.05 | mtnman | jeff_: first you'll need to "modprobe tdfx" or add tdfx to /etc/modules. |
| 00:35.07 | Azar | I forgot how to get to my networks directory to fix my connection |
| 00:35.07 | lilo78 | quittt: Sos de Brasil? |
| 00:35.15 | doub | LuPuZ: so you want both interfaces to be on the same network? |
| 00:35.24 | adexta | jmd: anything else useful? |
| 00:35.24 | chealer | dad: I still don'T see what you mean. there's something wrong in 270 removals anyway |
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| 00:35.25 | mtnman | jeff_: next you'll need to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:35.38 | LuPuZ | yeah... i want them both in the same computer... and wired to the same switch |
| 00:35.48 | quittt | lilo78, sim |
| 00:35.51 | quittt | lilo78, soo |
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| 00:35.53 | quittt | lilo78, soo |
| 00:35.54 | quittt | lilo78, sou |
| 00:35.56 | shingouz | cmatheson: The md5sums do hint that the image might be somehow screwed though. Maybe you better go with the installer link I just told dpkg to send you |
| 00:36.10 | shingouz | quittt: WTF? |
| 00:36.14 | cmatheson | shingouz: cool... thanks |
| 00:36.14 | lilo78 | quittt: Soy de Argentina. Nao sabia usas debian. |
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| 00:36.21 | quittt | http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/screenshots/comunidade/1115845581.desktop.png |
| 00:36.27 | lilo78 | A ver |
| 00:36.31 | quittt | lilo78, de uma olhada |
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| 00:36.33 | shingouz | !br |
| 00:36.33 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:36.40 | doub | LuPuZ: for bonding to work you need to have end-to-end connections. having both on the same switch will not help much |
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| 00:36.52 | dad | chealer: but with aptitude, i upgrade 673 packages, and with apt-get only 492 get upgraded |
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| 00:37.25 | dad | chealer: and with my slow dialup connection, 492 will come a full week before 673 |
| 00:37.25 | mtnman | dad: that was already explained to you, wasn't it? |
| 00:37.26 | lilo78 | quittt: Estas comodo em debian? |
| 00:37.33 | jeff_ | mtnman: ok, what after i dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:37.34 | doub | dad: again, apt-get will only install strict dependecies, whereas aptitude will install recommended packages at the same time |
| 00:37.44 | quittt | lilo78, sim |
| 00:37.46 | shingouz | lilo78: quittt #debian-br perhaps? |
| 00:37.55 | jeff_ | mtnman: glide? |
| 00:37.57 | LuPuZ | doub: but i need my server to use both my 10mbit connections... any other way than bonding? |
| 00:38.01 | dvs | jeff_: startx? |
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| 00:38.15 | mtnman | jeff_: somewhere in there, i don't remember exactly where, you'll be asked to configure your video card. |
| 00:38.21 | jeff_ | dvs: no, which x server driver |
| 00:38.35 | dad | mtnman: i suppose |
| 00:38.37 | chealer | dad: hehe |
| 00:38.39 | dvs | jeff_: "vesa" is always a safe bet |
| 00:38.44 | shingouz | LuPuZ: Why do you need both of them in the first place? If both the NICs connect to the same switch you do not see any improvement at all |
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| 00:38.50 | dvs | jeff_: what video card do you have? |
| 00:38.55 | dad | chealer: yea, well |
| 00:38.58 | jeff_ | dvs: thats what i was using, but video plays unbelieveably slow |
| 00:39.05 | jeff_ | dvs: voodoo 3dfx |
| 00:39.11 | dvs | oh god! |
| 00:39.20 | JeffWilson12 | My dumbass friend (against my permission), but his own root exploit tool on my server, and tested it by removing /var/log completely. Funny right? No. A lot of programs are bitching now and won't even log. What can I do? |
| 00:39.23 | LuPuZ | yes i will... they are connected to an 100mbit switch that's connected to an 1gb ISP |
| 00:39.40 | dvs | jeff_: I *think* that's an s3 |
| 00:39.46 | chealer | dad: I'm not asking to be flooded, but what packages are removed? you have a pure sarge? |
| 00:39.55 | jim | JeffWilson12: your dumbass is not your friend |
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| 00:39.57 | LuPuZ | i'm only allowed to use 10mbit... but i have 2 connections... and don't want to buy another server for the ftp |
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| 00:40.00 | jeff_ | dvs: lets give it a shot. fingers crossed |
| 00:40.17 | JeffWilson12 | jim: Yeah, I know. |
| 00:40.19 | mtnman | jeff_: when you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it will ask you which driver... choose tdfx. |
| 00:40.19 | shingouz | JeffWilson12: First I think you should let your friend do the reinstall and backups and all. Then I think you should lart him repeatedly with a cattleprod. Repeat as needed. |
| 00:40.24 | doub | LuPuZ: you can't do much then, only replace your 10mbits NIC with one 100 or 1000 mbits one |
| 00:40.32 | Wyzard | LuPuZ: If you have two connections, with two different IP addresses, you can't use them together |
| 00:40.33 | dvs | oops! |
| 00:40.41 | jim | first make sure the dir is there |
| 00:40.43 | JeffWilson12 | shinguz: I would, but he lives somewhere a long way away. |
| 00:40.48 | dad | chealer: i have a pure woody, and i want to move to testing, and stay there |
| 00:40.54 | mtnman | jeff_: dvs is incorrect about s3. |
| 00:40.56 | jeff_ | mtnman: wait, use s3 or tdfx |
| 00:40.59 | jim | then I would restart your box |
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| 00:41.06 | mtnman | jeff_: tdfx=3dfx |
| 00:41.10 | mtnman | use tdfx |
| 00:41.11 | Wyzard | LuPuZ: You could possibly load-balance the outbound packets, but inbound traffic will always be addressed to one or the other of them |
| 00:41.15 | Delph | Wyzard: well, you can, but there's severe crazyness required to do so. (application-level routing of packets out the same interface) |
| 00:41.17 | chealer | dad: oh. how many packages do you have currently installed BTW? |
| 00:41.31 | colter | I want to start using a vcs for my sources. CVS seems to be the most popular, but I've seen many claims that subversion is better. What could your experience recommend me? |
| 00:41.35 | jeff_ | mtnman: awesome. thanks for your help |
| 00:41.37 | shingouz | JeffWilson12: He still needs to be larted somethign serious. I believe the only thing you *can* do is to nuke and pave, there is no way you can trust that computer anymore, it has been compromised in anycase |
| 00:41.50 | Delph | would be interesting to passthrough most traffic through one interface, but run a web/ftp proxy to use the other one |
| 00:41.52 | mtnman | jeff_: you're welcome. hope it works for you. |
| 00:41.56 | Wyzard | colter: Darcs, then Arch, then Subversion, then (if you have no other option) CVS |
| 00:42.00 | doub | LuPuZ: you can add a load-balancer somewhere in the middle, but to be effective it would require to have a 100 mbits connection, thus making the whole thing useless |
| 00:42.19 | LuPuZ | Wyzard: seems i need to go buy another server anyway then :S |
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| 00:42.34 | shingouz | JeffWilson12: You did not give him root on the box, did you? Never ever ever never ever give out the root password to anyone. Never. |
| 00:42.35 | doub | LuPuZ: no, you just need to change your NIC |
| 00:42.35 | Flimqy | I wonder where I found such a rare video card... |
| 00:42.37 | dad | chealer: 955v packages |
| 00:42.49 | JeffWilson12 | shingouz: I don't know, do I look like an idiot? |
| 00:42.54 | louis_ | hey all, quick question, looks like firefox 1.0.4 is not available on apt yet. I'd like to install some extensions, if I install firefox from the mozilla.org site, will my package manager be able to figure it out? |
| 00:42.55 | JeffWilson12 | Of course I didn't. He found an exploit. |
| 00:43.03 | colter | Wyzard: but why is CVS so popular then? The most sites I see offer access to their development branches with CVS |
| 00:43.06 | LuPuZ | doh... i already have two 1gb NIC's ... but two 10mbit internet connection |
| 00:43.14 | colter | Is that just legacy? |
| 00:43.18 | Wyzard | colter: CVS is the most popular because it's been around for a long time so it's entrenched |
| 00:43.24 | doub | Flimqy: what are you searching for ? i have a bunch of old video cards here if you want them |
| 00:43.28 | chealer | dad: I think whatever way you choose, more than 500 should upgrade. in fact, nearly all |
| 00:43.29 | Wyzard | colter: But its capabilities are very limited compared to the more modern stuff |
| 00:43.32 | LuPuZ | so changing NIC wont do much doub :P |
| 00:43.37 | shingouz | JeffWilson12: Reinstall the whole system, apply lart to the "friend" repeat the larting several times. And tell him to go fsck himself |
| 00:43.42 | Flimqy | doub: Nah |
| 00:43.52 | colter | Wyzard: thanks for the info! |
| 00:43.52 | Flimqy | doub: I'm searching for support for my vid card |
| 00:43.56 | mtnman | louis_: figure out what? |
| 00:43.57 | dad | yea. |
| 00:44.02 | Flimqy | doub: It appears this vid card was never manufactured for the PC |
| 00:44.07 | Wyzard | colter: For example, it's impossible to rename a file in CVS and have it track the rename as a change... it records it as deleting the file and creating a new file which happens to have the same contents the old one used to |
| 00:44.08 | Flimqy | doub: So I'm wondering how I came across it... in my PC. |
| 00:44.12 | shingouz | Flimqy: And the card is....? |
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| 00:44.24 | Flimqy | shingouz: A CyberPro 2000 |
| 00:44.28 | dad | y |
| 00:44.43 | Azar | unbelievable |
| 00:44.49 | shingouz | Flimqy: Did you check out the xfree86.org website already? Google? |
| 00:44.53 | Flimqy | shingouz: PCI card w/ 1mb RAM, and TV output. |
| 00:44.57 | Wyzard | colter: so if someone else made some changes to the file under the old name, and you apply their patch, their changes are lost (applied to a no-longer-existent file) rather than applied to the file under its new name |
| 00:44.59 | Azar | the apt sources list refuse to download/install nethack-console |
| 00:45.03 | Flimqy | shingouz: I've been googling all afternoon. |
| 00:45.07 | Azar | they just close connections |
| 00:45.11 | colter | Wyzard: I can see your point |
| 00:45.16 | shingouz | Flimqy: www.xfree86.org |
| 00:45.21 | Flimqy | shingouz: And finding bits and pieces of useful information. But none of it for the PC :P (still some useful info, tho) |
| 00:45.36 | shingouz | Flimqy: Does it work on a pc? |
| 00:45.45 | louis_ | mtnman: figure out that the latest version of firefox i have is 1.0.4 instead of 1.0.3 |
| 00:45.46 | Flimqy | shingouz: for certian definitions of "work" |
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| 00:46.03 | Flimqy | shingouz: I've yet to get frame buffer support to work _well_. I'll be trying X next. |
| 00:46.05 | shingouz | Flimqy: I am not really in a mood for guessing games tonight |
| 00:46.08 | Wyzard | colter: http://abridgegame.org/darcs/ |
| 00:46.12 | louis_ | or does it even matter? |
| 00:46.22 | colter | Wyzard: I'm already browsing it :) |
| 00:46.29 | mtnman | louis_: apt will not know about anything you install manually, unless you tell it with, eg, equivs. |
| 00:46.34 | doub | Flimqy: it's not even VESA compliant? |
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| 00:46.51 | mtnman | louis_: however, that is no problem if you want to install extensions from the mozilla site. |
| 00:46.52 | Flimqy | doub: Vesa 2.0 or something. |
| 00:47.11 | louis_ | mtnman: thanks, will look into equivs. Is that generally what you're suppose to do when you install things from source? |
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| 00:47.23 | shingouz | Flimqy: Did you find anything on the net that looks even remotely like an XF86Config for the card? Or at least some information what the driver should be? It doesnt matter if the card is originally supposed to sit in a Sparc as long as Xfree86 has it supported under some architecture |
| 00:47.24 | Flimqy | doub: But the specific fb driver crashes the system most of the time. vesafb-tng sorta works |
| 00:47.26 | doub | Flimqy: does the vesafb work? you can try X's vesa fb driver then |
| 00:47.33 | mtnman | louis_: there is no real need to inform apt that you have installed firefox. |
| 00:47.49 | mtnman | louis_: i installed it on this machine today. |
| 00:47.52 | Flimqy | shingouz: I haven't gotten that far yet. |
| 00:47.55 | jim | louis_: for one thing, if you build your own stuff, don't touch /usr except for /usr/local |
| 00:48.00 | Wyzard | shingouz: Why not just install the packaged version? |
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| 00:48.20 | jim | becasue debian packages have a hands-off policy on /usr/local |
| 00:48.26 | mtnman | louis_: unless you need to have a menu entry for firefox. i start it from an xterm. |
| 00:48.27 | shingouz | Wyzard: Huh? What version? I am lost now, I am not trying to isntall anything at this point? :o |
| 00:48.33 | michael1234 | can anyone tell me if there is a driver for the lorex survliennace cameria |
| 00:48.35 | mtnman | s/have/need/ |
| 00:48.38 | michael1234 | camera for linux |
| 00:48.53 | mtnman | michael1234: check the hardware howto at tldp.org |
| 00:48.53 | shingouz | michael1234: What did google say? |
| 00:49.07 | Wyzard | shingouz: oops, sorry, wrong person :-) |
| 00:49.10 | Flimqy | doub: X via FB is slower in many cases, if I understand correctly, so I'd prefer not to use that unless I have to. But I am certianly aware that I can do that if necessary. |
| 00:49.11 | shingouz | :) |
| 00:49.13 | Wyzard | louis_: Why not just install the packaged version? |
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| 00:49.30 | mtnman | wyzard: he's talking about firefox. |
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| 00:50.00 | Wyzard | mtnman: Yes, and it's packaged |
| 00:50.07 | shingouz | michael1234: Do you have any additional information on the camera? |
| 00:50.10 | mtnman | wyzard: yes, a very old version. |
| 00:50.17 | doub | Flimqy: from what you say so far, it seems the only possible solution. but I might be lacking information |
| 00:50.17 | louis_ | wyzard: already have. But i'd like the latest version |
| 00:50.19 | Kerr | is there a way i can have an apt-get installed phpbb, but all users running it with different default themes, etc? I currently have a bunch of source installs; and it's upgrade hell. |
| 00:50.21 | Wyzard | mtnman: 1.0.3 is "very old" ? |
| 00:50.30 | Flimqy | doub: perhaps. I know I'm lacking information :) |
| 00:50.41 | mtnman | wyzard: 1.0.3 has security bugs. |
| 00:50.46 | Flimqy | doub: I'll find out more once I have X installed (it's d/ling now) |
| 00:51.02 | Wyzard | mtnman: The testing security team will be backporting the fixes to 1.0.3 |
| 00:51.04 | Flimqy | Or I might not use X at all |
| 00:51.07 | Flimqy | in the long run |
| 00:51.10 | jvw | Kerr: that should work |
| 00:51.17 | doub | Flimqy: maybe lspci can tell you more, maybe it's just a marketing brand for some known chipset |
| 00:51.19 | mtnman | wyzard: are you talking about sarge or woody? |
| 00:51.32 | Wyzard | mtnman: sarge... it's not available in woody |
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| 00:51.35 | michael1234 | shingouz: Yeah it is a lorex dvs recoding device you plug the camera into it |
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| 00:51.45 | mtnman | wyzard: exactly. |
| 00:51.48 | Flimqy | doub: It's made by InteGraphics, which best I can tell, doesn't exist any more. But the vid chipset was most commonly used in NetWinders, and in some Amigas, apparantly. |
| 00:51.52 | jvw | Kerr: see the multiboard documentation, have each board have its own database of course, each configured to use a different theme, which you can all install in /etc/phpbb2/templates or so |
| 00:51.59 | michael1234 | http://lorexstore.strategicvista.com/product.aspx?id=764&nav=3 |
| 00:52.05 | Flimqy | doub: I'm not sure what exactly a NetWinder is, or if it's x86-based or not. |
| 00:52.10 | shingouz | michael1234: Lemmesee |
| 00:52.11 | cmatheson | i'm trying to get my chinese input working right, but the font antialiasing is making little characters way hard to read... is there a way to turn it off just for the chinese fonts? |
| 00:52.21 | Kerr | jvw: *nod* thanks, will do :) |
| 00:52.22 | Wyzard | mtnman: but sarge is close to being released anyway |
| 00:52.25 | chealer | mtnman: get a look at this : http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mozilla-firefox.html |
| 00:52.32 | doub | Flimqy: XF86 is supposed to run on amigas, so it would work |
| 00:52.50 | Flimqy | doub: yeah, in theory. But then again, in theory, the cyber2000fb driver should work, too. :) |
| 00:52.51 | mtnman | wyzard: close, but no cigar. |
| 00:53.29 | doub | Flimqy: it can also be a missing PCI ID match in the FB driver |
| 00:53.53 | Flimqy | doub: that's a good thought... I'll look into that |
| 00:54.10 | doub | Flimqy: i've had a similar problem with my sound card : adding the PCI ID for it to the correct sound driver made it work. some strange bugs, but it works |
| 00:54.19 | mtnman | chealer: i have no need. |
| 00:54.21 | Flimqy | doub: hehe |
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| 00:54.47 | chealer | mtnman: the version of firefox in testing and sid is 1.0.3-2 |
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| 00:55.02 | MrKeuner | I have just dwnloaded 2.0.0 debian package. it looks like it is compiled with option gtk1.2? or is there a setting somewhere? |
| 00:55.15 | NetD1 | how can i make a system user chroot when it login? |
| 00:55.26 | chealer | MrKeuner: which package? |
| 00:55.27 | K_Dallas | mtnman: i installed it from the installero on mozilla ftp site (sarge) got not problem at all |
| 00:55.33 | shingouz | michael1234: The only thing that could possibly work on a linux system would be the framegrabber |
| 00:55.41 | mtnman | chealer: the version i run is 1.0.4 |
| 00:55.55 | MrKeuner | chealer/ SID ii amule 2.0.0-1 aNOTHER eMule P2P Client |
| 00:56.04 | doub | NetD1: that seems to be a silly idea, unless you want to replicate quite the whole system for your user to be able to do anything |
| 00:56.07 | michael1234 | shingouz: so do you think the device is incaptibable |
| 00:56.15 | Wyzard | MrKeuner: You mean a package from "hamm", Debian 2.0? |
| 00:56.23 | mtnman | K_dallas: no problem here either. i was helping someone else. |
| 00:56.32 | doub | NetD1: even the most basic shell operations rely on libraries and binaries. chrooting would prevent those |
| 00:56.35 | Wyzard | MrKeuner: ah, nm |
| 00:56.37 | michael1234 | shingouz: do I couldnt setup the device to use something like video lan |
| 00:56.49 | shingouz | michael1234: I do not know, I just do not see the point of buying one, you can get the same functionality with a computer, a webcam and some software |
| 00:56.53 | Wyzard | MrKeuner: Yes, that does use GTK 1.2 |
| 00:56.54 | sparr_ | I am using a WM that cannot display long menus. What are my options for making the Debian menu (and submenus) shorter, other than uninstalling things? |
| 00:57.00 | K_Dallas | mtnman: sorry i didnt scrill up |
| 00:57.06 | MrKeuner | Wyzard/ why is that? |
| 00:57.07 | K_Dallas | scroll* |
| 00:57.11 | mtnman | k_dallas: no problem. |
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| 00:57.23 | Wyzard | MrKeuner: Maybe it hasn't been ported to use GTK2 yet |
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| 00:57.42 | MrKeuner | oh but former package was gtk2 |
| 00:57.57 | MrKeuner | or I thought so |
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| 00:58.12 | shingouz | michael1234: If you already have the device there you might want to plug it in and see what lsusb has to say about it, maybe that contains a bit more information. I suspect the drivers would be somehere under Video for Linux but I am not too sure about that either |
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| 00:58.49 | doub | NetD1: what you can do however is have a complete system installed where there's nothing dangerous, and let users log into that one instead of the regular one |
| 00:59.02 | Wyzard | MrKeuner: The screenshots on amule.org look like GTK1.2 |
| 00:59.27 | sparr_ | In particular I need to shrink Apps/Net, Apps/System, Apps/Tools, Games/Arcade, Games/Board, and Games/Puzzles |
| 00:59.31 | doub | NetD1: using xen or vserver might help in this case |
| 00:59.33 | sparr_ | some of them are a hundred entries long |
| 00:59.47 | MrKeuner | hmm may it be wxgtk or something then? because I am pretty sure it was very similar to GTK2 look and feel |
| 01:00.10 | NetD1 | doub : i can cp the libraries and binaries to the jail, i just want it can be execute a few command |
| 01:00.16 | warg0d | anyone know if theres a package for php5/sarge |
| 01:00.25 | Guerin | !dotdeb |
| 01:00.25 | dpkg | hmm... dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ |
| 01:00.25 | chealer | Wyzard: doesn't that look like KDE :? |
| 01:00.35 | Wyzard | MrKeuner: It does also depend on libwxgtk2.4, but that in turn depends on libgtk1.2 again |
| 01:00.37 | doub | sparr_: you can make per-user modifications of the debian menu, see /usr/share/doc/menu/ docs |
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| 01:01.18 | doub | NetD1: restricted shell might be another answer. see man bash /RESTRICTED SHELL for details |
| 01:01.53 | FieldySnuts | @lart ex-bfs |
| 01:01.53 | NetD1 | doub: thanks, i will see it . |
| 01:02.25 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: What happened, you soulnd pretty livid? |
| 01:02.29 | shingouz | sound even |
| 01:02.41 | doub | sparr_: FieldySnuts, livid ? ;) |
| 01:02.42 | warg0d | dotdeb.org states packages are for woody, i'm using sarge, i'm kinda new to debian, will this work ok? |
| 01:02.43 | Azar | ok guys, after rebooting from the kernel upgrade I am not able to connect online |
| 01:02.55 | shingouz | doub: Seriously ticked off |
| 01:03.05 | FieldySnuts | . |
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| 01:03.19 | guestish | so...how stable is pure64? |
| 01:03.25 | Flimqy | Azar: Sounds like you forgot to install some essential driver(s) |
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| 01:03.33 | Wyzard | guestish: I know a few people who use it, and it seems to work OK for them |
| 01:03.40 | Azar | failure toFilmqy, I got a precompiled kernel |
| 01:03.43 | guestish | im gonna try it on my opteron |
| 01:03.49 | Guerin | guestish: ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 01:03.54 | MrKeuner | Wyzard/ http://www.amule.org/wiki/index.php/HowTo_Compile_In_Gentoo there is some info here |
| 01:03.55 | guestish | they're kinda dead int here |
| 01:04.06 | doub | FieldySnuts: what's the point ? ;) |
| 01:04.10 | Guerin | guestish: this is not a god sign |
| 01:04.15 | Azar | anyone can help me fix my connection? |
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| 01:04.22 | guestish | Guerin, ??? |
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| 01:04.44 | Guerin | guestish: well, you don't want toend up dead, do you? |
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| 01:04.49 | mtnman | azar: dhcp or otherwise? |
| 01:04.55 | Azar | no dhcp |
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| 01:05.06 | Azar | the interfaces file looks ok to me |
| 01:05.10 | mtnman | azar: tried /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 01:05.11 | Wyzard | MrKeuner: Looks like GTK2 support is an option when compiling wxGTK... perhaps there's another libwxgtk in Debian which uses GTK2, and amule could be compiled against that instead |
| 01:05.21 | Azar | trying now, thanks mntman |
| 01:06.11 | Azar | etho: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 01:06.11 | shingouz | Would moving from a pre-emptive 2.6 to a non-preemptive 2.6 possibly cure the skipping I gat on Skype? (/me knows that Skype is Evil®) |
| 01:06.25 | MrKeuner | ii libwxgtk2.4 2.4.2.6.1 wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (GT |
| 01:06.25 | MrKeuner | ii libwxgtk2.4-py 2.4.2.6.1 wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (wx |
| 01:06.25 | MrKeuner | ii libwxgtk2.5.3 2.5.3.2 wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (GT |
| 01:06.27 | mtnman | azar: what kind of card is eth0? |
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| 01:06.31 | MrKeuner | may be I should remove one |
| 01:06.41 | mtnman | azar: pcmcia? |
| 01:06.44 | cureless | shingouz: I get no skip, preempt or not. |
| 01:06.47 | jim | MrKeuner: maybe not paste those :P |
| 01:06.52 | Azar | ethernet |
| 01:07.02 | shingouz | cureless: How much cpu? Better than a P2-300? ;) |
| 01:07.04 | Azar | just a banal ethernet card |
| 01:07.09 | mtnman | azar: no kidding. please be more specific. |
| 01:07.13 | cureless | shingouz: touche |
| 01:07.25 | Azar | no pcmcia, is not a laptop |
| 01:07.41 | mtnman | azar: sounds like you have not got the correct module loaded for that card. |
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| 01:08.00 | jim | lspci sounds mildly useful |
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| 01:08.18 | shingouz | cureless: The point is that Skype almost works, the sound is readable but the skips get annoying after a time |
| 01:08.29 | Azar | hmm I have not had the chance to even see a module list |
| 01:08.30 | mtnman | azar: i notice you put "etho". it should be "eth0" (zero) |
| 01:08.37 | cureless | shingouz: and you know it's not the network. |
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| 01:08.45 | doub | jim: it's not windows, lspci isn't audio aware |
| 01:08.51 | Azar | sorry was my typo here |
| 01:08.54 | wt | anyone here have experience with a NetGear FSM7623p? |
| 01:09.02 | Azar | it said eth0 |
| 01:09.12 | shingouz | cureless: Should not be, works on a 400MHz P2 on the same network. The 300 runs about 35-35% cpu when speaking |
| 01:09.16 | mtnman | azar: lsmod to check if the module you need is loaded. |
| 01:09.23 | doub | Azar: what does 'mesg|grep eth0' say? |
| 01:09.25 | warg0d | whats sid ? |
| 01:09.33 | doub | !sid |
| 01:09.33 | dpkg | i guess sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
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| 01:09.36 | sparr_ | doub: omg, hint_optimize == AWESOME |
| 01:09.36 | shingouz | 35-45% cpu cureless |
| 01:09.41 | jim | sid is a kid |
| 01:09.48 | mtnman | doub: you mean dmesg? |
| 01:09.49 | warg0d | ty doub |
| 01:09.49 | cureless | shingouz: have you tried to renice it? along with X. |
| 01:09.55 | jim | the one on toy story who broke toys |
| 01:09.58 | doub | mtnman: yes |
| 01:10.12 | shingouz | cureless: skype at -15, X at -10 |
| 01:10.15 | doub | mtnman: sorry. i'm a bit delayed tonight |
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| 01:10.31 | mtnman | doub: no problem. didn't want to confuse the poor fellow. |
| 01:10.31 | wt | I mean FSM7326P |
| 01:10.32 | jim | and put them together in new and wondrous ways |
| 01:10.36 | cureless | shingouz: renice X to 0 or 10 |
| 01:10.46 | shingouz | cureless: Lets see |
| 01:10.59 | guestish | Guerin, dead? |
| 01:11.02 | mtnman | jim: i finally got around to seeing toystory and toystory2 recently :) |
| 01:11.08 | guestish | Guerin, har har har |
| 01:11.16 | guestish | Guerin, dead as in there isnt a living soul in there :) |
| 01:11.18 | Kerr | jvw: README.multiboard describes creating a new location for board n's avatars. Can that be replicated for themes? |
| 01:11.20 | Azar | doub, mest|grep eth0 gives nothing |
| 01:11.24 | jim | never saw 2 |
| 01:11.26 | guestish | Guerin, as opposed to a dead soul |
| 01:11.29 | jim | how was that? |
| 01:11.34 | Azar | oh |
| 01:11.35 | mtnman | azar:dmesg|grep eth0 |
| 01:11.46 | doub | Azar: i had a typo. do as mtnman said |
| 01:12.00 | Azar | aha, it does not return nothing |
| 01:12.16 | doub | Azar: so you don't have the right driver for your card loaded |
| 01:12.21 | jvw | Kerr: themes are 'just' supported via /etc/phpbb2/themes |
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| 01:12.31 | mtnman | azar: means your card's module is not loading. what kind of card is it? (be specific) |
| 01:12.48 | jvw | Kerr: README.templates |
| 01:12.52 | Azar | mtnman, I have no idea Debian detected it at first woody install |
| 01:13.20 | Azar | this kernel was not custom compiled |
| 01:13.25 | mtnman | azar: anything in /etc/modules that looks like it could be for ethernet? |
| 01:13.26 | doub | Azar: what does lspci say about some network card |
| 01:13.39 | Azar | came precompiled, installed and that it, no screens, no prompts, nothing |
| 01:13.45 | Kerr | jvw: read it, but it confused me.. does it look in subdirs of /etc/phpbb2/themes; and, ifso, could a symlink to a user's own theme be dropped in there? |
| 01:13.46 | louis_ | mtnman: installed firefox fine..problem is all my apps still launch using the old firefox location |
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| 01:13.55 | Azar | aha |
| 01:13.59 | mtnman | louis_: man equivs |
| 01:14.03 | Seb | how do I check dmesg to find out if my USB controller is USB 2 or plain USB ? |
| 01:14.10 | Azar | Ethernet controller : D-Link System Inc |
| 01:14.16 | jim | Seb: dmesg :) |
| 01:14.18 | jvw | Kerr: err, every dir in /etc/phpbb2/templates will be considered... |
| 01:14.21 | louis_ | cheers |
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| 01:14.29 | jvw | Kerr: not hierarchical though |
| 01:14.31 | Seb | jim: what am I looking for specifically ? |
| 01:14.34 | mtnman | azar: any more info than that? |
| 01:14.36 | doub | Seb: lspci -v will tell you, usb2 is ehci |
| 01:14.43 | Seb | doub: ah cool, thx |
| 01:14.44 | quittt | what do you like most in Debian? |
| 01:14.45 | jim | specifically stuff about usb |
| 01:14.46 | Azar | RTL8139 Ethernet |
| 01:14.58 | Azar | quitt: the challenge |
| 01:15.00 | doub | Azar: modprobe 8139too then |
| 01:15.08 | quittt | Azar, I like aptitude |
| 01:15.17 | quittt | and that Debian is a clean OS |
| 01:15.19 | shingouz | cureless: Nope, still problems. I could upgrade the cpu if someone would come up with a P2-400 in MMC-1 configuration for a laptop ;) |
| 01:15.23 | mtnman | azar: or ad 8139too to /etc/modules for auto load at boot. |
| 01:15.24 | quittt | and very usefull |
| 01:15.29 | Azar | doub: FATAL: not found |
| 01:15.31 | mtnman | s/ad/add/ |
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| 01:15.47 | doub | Azar: huh. maybe it changed name again in 2.6 |
| 01:15.51 | mtnman | azar: try running modconf and look for your card. |
| 01:15.58 | cureless | shingouz: well, it could still be the network, but feel free to try to change your kernel. |
| 01:16.03 | Azar | yeah I was afraid of this, mtnman |
| 01:16.14 | mtnman | afraid of what? |
| 01:16.30 | doub | Azar: or maybe 'find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name "*8139*"' |
| 01:16.32 | green_earz | quittt: a bit of bed time reading > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 01:16.42 | Seb | doub: ok, there is USB2 suppor,t so htat's good. Now, knowing it's integrated to the motherboard, would any USB outlet on front/back of the box be comptabile with both USB2 ? |
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| 01:16.53 | Seb | doub: or could only some of them be USB 2 ? |
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| 01:17.20 | jim | Seb: plug em in, watch the log, and see |
| 01:17.23 | shingouz | cureless: Could be but I suspect that the network would be the problem. I have way enough bandwidth for Skype and I am not uploading anything either... maybe it is really time for yet another kernel even if I hate doing kernels all the time |
| 01:17.29 | doub | Seb: it's usually all usb2. but some nasty HW designer might have done it otherwise... ;) |
| 01:17.41 | Seb | jim: dude, I don't have the USB2 device *yet*, why do you think I'm asking in here ? |
| 01:17.46 | Seb | doub: ok, makes sense |
| 01:17.47 | cureless | shingouz: it's not a bandwidth problem, it's a latency problem. |
| 01:17.47 | jetscreamer | hey: /etc/mailcap, lines 70-81, wtf??? |
| 01:17.50 | jim | no idea :P) |
| 01:17.51 | Seb | doub: thanks a lot man |
| 01:18.15 | jim | Motherboard manual might tell you for sure |
| 01:18.18 | jetscreamer | line 70: <mime-info xmlns="http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/shared-mime-info"> |
| 01:18.25 | Seb | jim: wish I had it ;) |
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| 01:18.36 | doub | Seb: any USB2 controller must be backwards compatible, so they are, again, usually, all wired to USB2 |
| 01:18.37 | Seb | i got the box from a friend who didn't keep the manual :> |
| 01:18.43 | jim | motherboard mfgr site might have pdfs |
| 01:18.47 | shingouz | cureless: The odd thing is that I get a bit better connection with a gprs phone and Skype but when the laptop is running fully mobile I have a bit fewer daemons on it |
| 01:18.52 | Seb | doub: yeah, that's what I thought too... |
| 01:19.04 | ethics | shingouz: samer nics? |
| 01:19.14 | Seb | jim: any dmesg way to figure out what the MB is ? |
| 01:19.18 | jetscreamer | err 71.. but xorg inserts xml into what appears to be a semi-colon delimited file? |
| 01:19.24 | shingouz | ethics: Uh.. gprs and wired network? No, a gprs is a cellphone |
| 01:19.26 | jetscreamer | no i don't run xorg |
| 01:19.30 | jetscreamer | so why is it htere |
| 01:19.32 | jim | not sure... |
| 01:19.53 | jim | I'd run dmesg and just look at it to see what happened at boot |
| 01:20.19 | Azar | hey that is PRECIOUS |
| 01:20.28 | Seb | ok, fair enough, you guys have helped a lot already. Thx doub & jim |
| 01:20.38 | Azar | modconf rules, man I love it |
| 01:20.45 | Azar | thanks thanks |
| 01:20.48 | Azar | Debian rules |
| 01:20.52 | doub | Azar: gollum? what are you doing here ? ;) |
| 01:20.56 | Guerin | debian/rules |
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| 01:21.11 | Azar | I installed the driver with debconf |
| 01:21.28 | doub | Azar: what's its name now? just FMI |
| 01:21.40 | mtnman | azar: glad that modconf did it for you... what is the name of the module? |
| 01:21.50 | doub | or FOI |
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| 01:22.53 | mrbigcz | how you guys pronounce "debian"? |
| 01:23.02 | mtnman | deb+ian |
| 01:23.20 | Azar | mtnman was the same only I misread the "too" extension I thought he mistyped the sentence |
| 01:23.22 | Azar | :) |
| 01:23.28 | mtnman | mrbigcz: ian founded debian. his wife is deb. |
| 01:23.37 | doub | mrbigcz: it's Deb(rah) and Ian together |
| 01:23.38 | Azar | strangely mine is D-Link but modconf say is a Realtek |
| 01:23.43 | chealer | mrbigcz: with an emphasis on the "rules" |
| 01:23.55 | doub | Azar: thanks for your infinite trust |
| 01:24.07 | mrbigcz | any .wav or .mp3 out there ? |
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| 01:24.36 | mtnman | mrbigcz: google |
| 01:24.39 | shingouz | mrbigcz: This is #debian, not #debian-warez ;) |
| 01:24.56 | alamar | is it possible to use grub to boot from floppy images that are on the hd somewhere? |
| 01:24.59 | Delph | shingouz: illegal copies of someone saying 'debian' ? |
| 01:25.10 | Delph | *draws in breath through teeth* |
| 01:25.13 | shingouz | Delph: Hehe... something like that yes |
| 01:25.15 | Delph | sounds like 5, 10 years to me. |
| 01:25.20 | mrbigcz | hehe |
| 01:25.25 | doub | alamar: use chainloader |
| 01:25.27 | Stereo | mrbigcz: it's deb like in deborah, and yahnn like in piano |
| 01:25.29 | green_earz | mrbigcz: http://www.mininova.org/ |
| 01:25.41 | alamar | doub: and how should i tell him what to load? |
| 01:25.50 | Stereo | pronouncced de-biann |
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| 01:26.11 | Delph | like deviant but with a b not a v, and no t? |
| 01:26.12 | Guerin | !tell mrbigcz about free software song |
| 01:26.19 | mtnman | deh-bee-en |
| 01:26.32 | doub | alamar: root ([grub partition])\nkernel /[location of fd image]\nchainloader +1 |
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| 01:26.41 | doub | alamar: and 'boot' |
| 01:26.44 | cureless | deviant is not a good example |
| 01:26.56 | Azar | oops it wont boot up and beep at me |
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| 01:28.19 | doub | well, good night ev'y'ody. bed time |
| 01:29.28 | doub | !qotd0 |
| 01:29.28 | dpkg | qotd53 is, like, <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
| 01:29.33 | alamar | doub: so if my image is in the folder /test/foobar.img on /dev/hda2 root (0,1)\? /test/foobar.img chainloader+1 |
| 01:29.36 | doub | (for your sole pleasure) |
| 01:30.04 | doub | alamar: sorry, i'm already sleeping |
| 01:30.20 | alamar | good night |
| 01:30.39 | alamar | can somebody else help me with my prob? |
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| 01:30.49 | doub | alamar: thanks |
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| 01:32.26 | Azar | ok now that I learned modconf which other cool tool is there in Debian? |
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| 01:32.55 | Azar | oh am I disconnected already? |
| 01:33.22 | Flimqy | Is there any easy way to mantain a single bookmarks file across multiple PCs/operating systems? And possibly even multiple browsers? |
| 01:33.26 | ethics | azar : heaps and heaps....you need to have a reason to do something before you will be told the tool tho hehe |
| 01:33.36 | green_earz | Azar: a handy app is etherconf for net work set up |
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| 01:35.18 | Azar | yes indeed |
| 01:35.18 | jetscreamer | but ymmv |
| 01:35.19 | Azar | well everything is cool, I fixed my mouse, my ethernet card, and I got nethack!! thank you guys |
| 01:36.02 | Azar | tomorrow I start struggling with nvidia :) |
| 01:36.08 | Azar | on my own this time |
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| 01:38.08 | jetscreamer | there is the .run and the .deb |
| 01:38.11 | mtnman | !tell azar about nvidia-howto |
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| 01:39.00 | green_earz | Azar:http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 01:39.13 | peter____ | how can I find in which packages apxs2 executable resides? |
| 01:39.22 | jetscreamer | apt-file |
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| 01:40.34 | parsec_ | whats the easiest way about going installing X on debian? |
| 01:40.37 | parsec_ | i forgot to do so at the install.. |
| 01:41.35 | jetscreamer | apt-get install x-window-system (gnome|kde|other) |
| 01:42.03 | jetscreamer | or apt-get install x-window-system gnome kde |
| 01:42.08 | jetscreamer | but that would be large |
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| 01:42.34 | mtnman | jetscreamer: i prefer x-window-system-core |
| 01:42.36 | jetscreamer | or just choose one |
| 01:42.50 | jetscreamer | or do what mtnman said |
| 01:43.15 | jetscreamer | s/do/change\ to/ |
| 01:43.38 | phpman | hi ,everyone ! |
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| 01:43.46 | mtnman | jetscreamer: if you apt-get install [gnome|kde|otherwm] it will depend on the X stuff anyhow... |
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| 01:44.17 | jetscreamer | mtnman: i've found large packages bork out, i really prefer dselect for stuff like that |
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| 01:44.50 | jetscreamer | and i've tried it that way a while back and it 'didn't work'(tm) but things change |
| 01:47.26 | parsec_ | which package has startx in it? |
| 01:47.26 | parsec_ | =] |
| 01:47.39 | mtnman | !find startx |
| 01:47.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'startx' (3): (/usr/bin/startxfce4) in x11/xfce4-utils ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/startx) in x11/xbase-clients ;; (/usr/share/selinux/policy/default/domains/misc/startx.te) in admin/selinux-policy-default. |
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| 01:48.18 | mtnman | parsec_: looks like xbase-clients |
| 01:48.23 | parsec_ | ya THANKS |
| 01:48.26 | parsec_ | i found it |
| 01:48.28 | parsec_ | already |
| 01:48.28 | parsec_ | =] |
| 01:48.29 | parsec_ | heh |
| 01:48.31 | mtnman | welcome |
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| 01:56.34 | Shamilton0360 | oh my lord |
| 01:56.34 | Shamilton0360 | just spent 4 hrs trying to install vector linux on another machine. |
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| 01:56.35 | Shamilton0360 | finally gave up am now installing ubuntu |
| 01:56.35 | shingouz | Shamilton0360: And you are doing what in #debian if you install Ubuntu? Install Debian |
| 01:56.35 | Shamilton0360 | sorry, I use mepis on my main machine lol I'll switch channels |
| 01:57.01 | Seanfeld | I have an AMD +2200 Sempron and I am installing debian and I wanted to move up to the 2.6 kernel kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 01:57.16 | Seanfeld | is k7 yhe right one to choose? |
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| 01:57.28 | shingouz | Seanfeld: Should be that one |
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| 02:00.58 | coruptkid | I'm running UML within debian using an ext2 filesystem image and am getting the error: "INIT: Id 'c1,2,3' respawning too fast disabled for 5 minutes". What is this and how do i fix it? |
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| 02:04.40 | tga | what's the debian way of compiling extra kernel modules like qc-usb? |
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| 02:06.12 | tga | either I'm lagging out or something weird is going on here |
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| 02:06.53 | Cocheese | hello party people |
| 02:08.02 | Cocheese | ARE YOU READY TO ROCK |
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| 02:08.19 | shingouz | Cocheese: Yes but Elvis already left the building |
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| 02:08.57 | Cyanophytes | anyone know of a good site for linux games |
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| 02:09.04 | SDFH_Linux | hey guys |
| 02:09.09 | Cocheese | you have an answer for everything dont you |
| 02:09.12 | gravity | Cyanophytes: happypenguin.org |
| 02:09.39 | SDFH_Linux | anyone know where i can get gnome 2.10 for debian? |
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| 02:09.56 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: experimental. |
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| 02:10.07 | SDFH_Linux | can you give me the servers? |
| 02:10.18 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: uh, most mirrors carry experimental. |
| 02:10.21 | tga | I want some servers too |
| 02:10.31 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 02:10.35 | tga | opterons preferably |
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| 02:11.09 | shingouz | Cocheese: Anything Debian yes, other things usually take some thinking |
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| 02:11.58 | Cocheese | #trifle for exhilirating trifle chat |
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| 02:13.20 | nnnn | i have got myself a hostname in dyndns, and i have installed apache. i don't know how to config apache or even start it. docs not helpful. |
| 02:13.39 | Xinux | i've had that problem |
| 02:13.49 | Xinux | i never figured apache out becuz I didn't spend much time on it |
| 02:13.56 | nnnn | what is the next step to build up the server. |
| 02:13.59 | TwistedEmotions | http://channels.debian.net/paste/132 |
| 02:14.22 | TwistedEmotions | ^^^ can anyone tell me if there is something wrong with my config file? |
| 02:14.33 | TwistedEmotions | Samba seems to work fine... |
| 02:14.37 | TwistedEmotions | CUP is setup |
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| 02:15.21 | TwistedEmotions | anyone? |
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| 02:16.38 | TwistedEmotions | I get the error "Access denied, Unable to connect" |
| 02:16.54 | danwolf | I have a problem with my sound, for some reason, the speakers are making a buzz. Can anyone help? I tested the speakers on another machine, and the sound beautiful |
| 02:17.05 | nnnn | which file and what is there to config for apache? |
| 02:17.23 | Cocheese | danwolf reinstall windows |
| 02:17.31 | cafuego | nnnn: /etc/apache/* |
| 02:17.36 | danwolf | heh... dumby its debian |
| 02:17.51 | danwolf | Cocheese: you make me laugh... |
| 02:17.52 | dvs | nnnn: Have you tried http://localhost/ ? |
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| 02:18.43 | Cocheese | i have a problem with windows pinball |
| 02:18.51 | nnnn | dvs, i have to set up apache properly first. |
| 02:18.52 | dvs | !smite Cocheese |
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| 02:19.07 | dvs | nnnn: Just install it. |
| 02:19.21 | gravity | Did anyone ever play Crystal Caliburn Pinball on the Mac back in the day? |
| 02:19.26 | gravity | Best pinball game I ever saw |
| 02:19.30 | parsec_ | what is that X Connection refused bah bah crap.. |
| 02:19.45 | gravity | parsec_: Are you trying to run something as root? |
| 02:19.57 | dvs | parsec_: or not have DISPLAY set? |
| 02:20.18 | nnnn | dvs, i have tried the http and it comes up with a placeholder page, does it me apache is properly installed? |
| 02:20.25 | dvs | nnnn: yes |
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| 02:20.52 | nnnn | dvs, apache is running w/o me having to manually start it? |
| 02:20.57 | dvs | nnnn: yes |
| 02:21.12 | sun_ | hi anyone know how to extract an apple stuffit (.sit) file on debian x86? |
| 02:21.29 | parsec_ | no |
| 02:21.31 | danwolf | I have a problem with my sound, for some reason, the speakers are making a buzz. Can anyone help? I tested the speakers on another machine, and the sound beautiful |
| 02:21.32 | nnnn | dvs, next is to change 'localhost' to my dyndns hostname? |
| 02:21.34 | parsec_ | iti fixed it |
| 02:21.34 | parsec_ | =] |
| 02:21.41 | dvs | nnnn: don't know |
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| 02:22.03 | dvs | nnnn: Maybe /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:22.09 | nnnn | dvs, localhost is not a name for others to access my server. |
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| 02:22.53 | nnnn | is httpd.conf the one to twit? |
| 02:22.55 | dvs | nnnn: Is dyndns set up outside of your network? |
| 02:23.00 | Cocheese | #TRIFLE |
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| 02:23.06 | nnnn | dvs, yes. |
| 02:23.07 | danwolf | dvs: you got any idea for me? |
| 02:23.16 | sun_ | danwolf thats a feature of linux alsa always lousy sound atbest |
| 02:23.34 | Cyanophytes | gravity: Thanks |
| 02:23.42 | dvs | danwolf: No idea about the speakers (wrong plug?) |
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| 02:23.54 | gravity | Cyanophytes: No problem. That site doesn't get nearly the press it deserves. |
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| 02:24.14 | dvs | danwolf: Oh ALSA. Unmute the channels using alsamixergui |
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| 02:25.04 | dvs | nnnn: I'd try http://yourhostname.com/ first |
| 02:25.21 | danwolf | SHS`: it should be oss, its a soundblaster |
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| 02:25.50 | danwolf | dvs: it shouldnt be alsa, its a soundblaster |
| 02:26.03 | dvs | danwolf: soundblaster can use ALSA |
| 02:26.04 | shingouz | who_took_my_nick: That is original :) |
| 02:26.13 | dvs | danwolf: What does "lsmod | grep snd" say? |
| 02:26.14 | danwolf | dvs: I think it is OSS |
| 02:26.26 | who_took_my_nick | merci shingouz |
| 02:26.42 | shingouz | Var så god, who_took_my_nick |
| 02:26.43 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone ? |
| 02:26.51 | TwistedEmotions | http://channels.debian.net/paste/132 ^^^ can anyone tell me if there is something wrong with my config file? Samba seems to work fine... the windows client computers can all see my files but when it comes to the printer is doesnt work "Access denied, Unable to connect" |
| 02:26.59 | danwolf | dvs: well I am sure you dont want me to paste them all |
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| 02:27.09 | dvs | danwolf: Then it's ALSA |
| 02:27.16 | danwolf | ok |
| 02:27.22 | danwolf | it says OSS in the mixer |
| 02:27.36 | dvs | danwolf: Is "snd_mixer_oss" there? |
| 02:27.38 | danwolf | I think there is another sound card loading too though |
| 02:27.49 | danwolf | the one on the motherboard |
| 02:28.02 | danwolf | dvs: yes it is there |
| 02:28.13 | dvs | danwolf: that's why the OSS mixer works |
| 02:28.31 | danwolf | dvs: but so is the via... which is the one on the mother board |
| 02:28.35 | dvs | danwolf: But you really should use the ALSA mixer |
| 02:28.46 | idealbsd | which file should be modified when want to change warn message of bastile before login? |
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| 02:28.57 | danwolf | well... I want to use my soundblaster card |
| 02:29.02 | dvs | danwolf: If you see snd_via and you hae a soundblaster then that is the one on the motherboard. |
| 02:29.14 | peter____ | guys -- how does apt-get remove work? will it remove data and configs? |
| 02:29.15 | danwolf | yeah |
| 02:29.15 | SDFH_Linux | is gnome 2.10 good enough to use? |
| 02:29.31 | danwolf | dvs: so ... how do I fix it heh |
| 02:29.32 | dvs | danwolf: Which soundblaster do you have? |
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| 02:29.42 | idealbsd | petemc, dpkg -P or apt-get remove --purge |
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| 02:29.48 | shingouz | peter____: Just the data, remove --purge takes care of the configs too |
| 02:30.12 | danwolf | shiiit |
| 02:30.19 | danwolf | soundblaster live... |
| 02:30.21 | danwolf | dunno the rest |
| 02:30.35 | dvs | danwolf: Is there a "snd_emu10k1" module? |
| 02:30.45 | danwolf | dvs: yes |
| 02:30.55 | peter____ | shingouz !!! |
| 02:30.58 | dvs | danwolf: Then they are both loaded (that's OK) |
| 02:31.00 | SDFH_Linux | is gnome 2.10 good enough to use? |
| 02:31.04 | shingouz | peter____: !! |
| 02:31.07 | peter____ | shingouz so my postgres data is probably gone? |
| 02:31.14 | danwolf | dvs: think that might be the buzz? |
| 02:31.18 | danwolf | interference or something? |
| 02:31.19 | dvs | danwolf: Use alsamixergui or alsamixer to unmute the channels |
| 02:31.19 | peter____ | shingouz or by data you mean the necessary files? |
| 02:31.20 | shingouz | peter____: I am not sure, what did you do? |
| 02:31.41 | dvs | danwolf: Keep the via channels muted if you don't what it. |
| 02:31.41 | Cyanophytes | what package do I need to run the following command besides the .jar file java -jar stendhal-0.10.jar |
| 02:32.03 | shingouz | peter____: apt-get remove only removes the binaries off the system, uninstalls the application, all the work you have done is not affected at all |
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| 02:32.51 | danwolf | hmm |
| 02:32.53 | peter____ | shingouz really really strange mod_perl problems (with XSLoader) and the fact that CPAN modperl is not upgradeable on top of latest deb mod_perl.. long story short, perl was borked, and I removed it, but it took with it about 25+ other packages |
| 02:33.01 | danwolf | dvs: how do I unmute with that thing |
| 02:33.08 | shingouz | peter____: OUch |
| 02:33.14 | dvs | danwolf: Which one? |
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| 02:33.19 | nnnn | in httpd.conf. what should the ServerName be? |
| 02:34.07 | shingouz | peter____: You should have all the data whereever you store data, probably in ~/ |
| 02:34.13 | danwolf | dvs: any of them |
| 02:34.17 | danwolf | this tool is weird |
| 02:34.24 | dvs | danwolf: Which program? |
| 02:34.36 | Delph | is there a tool which recurses down the list of dependencies and calculates the installed size of a package and all its dependencies? |
| 02:34.44 | idealbsd | which file should be modified when want to change warn message of bastile before login? |
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| 02:34.49 | dude | hi all, need some help. Have googled, not sure what im missing, I have a server listening for multiple IPs on one nic. I want another server to get all requests for a certain IP to be forwarde from the inital server to this server. Not sure where to look or if that makes sense. I dont want the seconf server to just be dhcps to the main server but to get its own IP address |
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| 02:35.00 | dude | that is addressable from the outside |
| 02:35.14 | dude | hmmm now im not sure im making sense |
| 02:35.42 | danwolf | dvs: alsamixer |
| 02:35.43 | nnnn | tarzeau, u hv set-up a home server. i hv apache and a hostname on dyndns. how to proceed fr here? |
| 02:35.46 | danwolf | dvs: sorry |
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| 02:36.01 | dvs | danwolf: If you have X, I'd use alsamixergui |
| 02:36.03 | Delph | dude: server A has one NIC, listening on multiple IPs. You want to forward all traffic to one of those IPs on server A to server B. |
| 02:36.22 | danwolf | no such program |
| 02:36.27 | danwolf | dvs: no such program |
| 02:36.36 | dude | Delph exactly. i running into serveral issues. |
| 02:36.39 | dvs | !find alsamixergui |
| 02:36.42 | dpkg | alsamixergui: (graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard driver), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.9.0rc2-1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
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| 02:36.50 | danwolf | dvs: installing it |
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| 02:36.58 | danwolf | apt |
| 02:36.59 | dude | Delph first issue is how to get the dhcp server from A to assign the same IP to server B if that is the way to do it all |
| 02:38.11 | danwolf | dvs: ok everything is unmuted... and its still buzzing |
| 02:38.17 | Delph | dude: give server B a different address to server A (i assume this is what's happening -- otherwise you'd just have server B with the IP address) |
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| 02:38.45 | dvs | danwolf: doubt it. Are there little lines coming out of the speakers? |
| 02:38.53 | Delph | then write an iptables rule on server A to forward all packets for <specific ip> to server B |
| 02:38.56 | danwolf | yes dvs |
| 02:39.09 | dude | Delph i have 4 ips. Just assign server B that next Ip address? |
| 02:39.13 | Delph | not sure where DHCP comes into it. |
| 02:39.26 | dude | Delph that's what Im asking, im notsure DHCP comes into either |
| 02:39.37 | Delph | dude: oh, you're assigning IPs ? |
| 02:39.46 | Delph | give server B the ip you want it to have |
| 02:39.46 | dvs | danwolf: And the Master and PCM sliders are up? |
| 02:39.53 | Delph | then have server A route traffic for server B |
| 02:39.57 | dude | Delph ok, Just set it up as a static IP |
| 02:40.03 | danwolf | well |
| 02:40.11 | danwolf | I dont have everything turned up dvs |
| 02:40.15 | danwolf | just unmuted |
| 02:40.19 | dude | Delph ok, waht do I need to read to route IP from Server A to B. iptables? |
| 02:40.28 | dvs | -_- |
| 02:40.51 | Delph | man route |
| 02:41.06 | dude | Delph thanks! |
| 02:41.10 | dude | Delph will do. |
| 02:41.20 | Cyanophytes | What package do I need to run .jar files? |
| 02:41.28 | Delph | and cat 1 > /proc/muttermutter/ip_forwardmutter something |
| 02:41.50 | danwolf | dvs: master and pcm are all the way up now... and the buzz is still there |
| 02:41.56 | danwolf | now its a tad staticy |
| 02:42.02 | Delph | Cyanophytes: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 02:42.16 | EvanCarroll | What does it mean if something is licensed under both the GPL and Copyrighted to a specific user? |
| 02:42.35 | Delph | EvanCarroll: i'd read gnu.org for details |
| 02:42.37 | dude | q |
| 02:42.44 | EvanCarroll | Delph: i already tried that |
| 02:42.49 | EvanCarroll | Delph: no answer |
| 02:42.52 | Delph | EvanCarroll: you have to assign copyright to a specific person. |
| 02:42.55 | dvs | danwolf: I don't know then |
| 02:43.00 | Cyanophytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.05 | danwolf | shiiiiit |
| 02:43.08 | Delph | this person then grants a licence under the terms of the GPL to all other users |
| 02:43.10 | danwolf | thanks anyway |
| 02:43.16 | dvs | np |
| 02:43.29 | EvanCarroll | Delph: so if i submit changes will they be copyrighted to that person too |
| 02:43.30 | Delph | but the person still retains the copyright, as the means to enforce the licence. |
| 02:43.39 | idealbsd | which file should be modified when want to change warn message of bastile before login? |
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| 02:44.00 | Delph | i believe that the MPL (mozilla public licence) requires that |
| 02:44.05 | danwolf | dvs: I am gonna go into windows and see if its hardware |
| 02:44.08 | nn | hey i need a -good- (class room grade) book on debian with an included media set, preferably dvd |
| 02:44.12 | Delph | but the GPL only requires that the changes be distributed |
| 02:44.13 | dvs | danwolf: OK |
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| 02:44.17 | danwolf | brb |
| 02:44.21 | dvs | danwolf: I wont be here |
| 02:44.26 | nn | a bout to teach a class on linux and want to use debian as the distro |
| 02:44.27 | dvs | It's bedtime |
| 02:44.29 | Delph | EvanCarroll: IANAL, and all that |
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| 02:44.48 | gravity | nn: There's the Debian 3.1 Bible that's due to be released with sarge at the end of the month |
| 02:44.56 | nn | gravity: price? |
| 02:44.59 | gravity | nn: It's kind of the only book. All the other Debian ones are ancient |
| 02:45.05 | gravity | nn: Don't know. Check amazon. |
| 02:45.08 | nn | aite tx |
| 02:45.24 | nn | i'm trying to order the LTRK's from novell too |
| 02:45.26 | nn | they're great |
| 02:45.32 | nipplesrulz | would any of yall have a clue on why k3b would not show buffer status while writing a dvd but would during a cdrom burn? |
| 02:45.32 | gravity | LTRK's? |
| 02:45.33 | nn | give em away to students |
| 02:45.40 | nn | Linux Technical Resource Toolkit |
| 02:45.44 | nn | showcases novell on linux |
| 02:45.45 | gravity | What is that? |
| 02:45.54 | Delph | EvanCarroll: www.gnu.org/licences/why-assign.html |
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| 02:46.01 | nn | used to be free |
| 02:46.01 | Nox | How do I identify with nickserv if I don't have my normal nick? |
| 02:46.01 | Delph | and links around there |
| 02:46.09 | Delph | Nox: you use your normal nick. |
| 02:46.12 | hacim | Nox: is someone using it? |
| 02:46.15 | gravity | Nox: /msg nickserv help |
| 02:46.24 | nn | use the ghost command |
| 02:46.28 | gravity | Nox: The instructions are there. It's pretty easy. |
| 02:46.30 | nn | nickserv ghost nick pass |
| 02:46.42 | nn | reclaim? |
| 02:46.52 | gravity | Similar to ghost. Same thing ultimately probably |
| 02:46.53 | nn | I thought ghost here just renamed the old user too.. |
| 02:46.59 | Equinox | Sweet. Got it |
| 02:47.09 | gravity | nn: Maybe it does. That's cool. |
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| 02:47.23 | nn | yea, i was thinking the local ghost was like that, and since ghost is more portable, i just used it, but it may be diff (if so, let me know) |
| 02:47.30 | Equinox | I seemed to remember forever ago identify having 2 arguments... Oh well :) |
| 02:47.37 | sun_ | hi anyone had any linux spyware problems? |
| 02:47.44 | Equinox | Linux has spyware? |
| 02:47.45 | nn | i maintain an irc client for a mobile device we're building based on linux |
| 02:47.51 | gravity | sun_: Not that I know of |
| 02:48.01 | Delph | there must be some |
| 02:48.05 | Equinox | If you run under a user account it would be kind of obvious in ps and stuff |
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| 02:48.09 | nn | it's a 800mhz Via C3 handheld |
| 02:48.29 | Delph | Equinox: unless it ended up installing itself within any sourcecode you happened to have lying around |
| 02:48.36 | sun_ | equinox thats kinda what im trying to find out. i downloaded stuffit expander from aladin and ran it , then i thought this thing could send things to aladin or something |
| 02:48.59 | sun_ | atleast while it runs, woulnd need to be a daemon |
| 02:48.59 | gravity | sun_: Why are you running stuffit? |
| 02:49.09 | nn | eventually i'm going to build a pimpin debian based handheld heh |
| 02:49.17 | sun_ | gravity because i had a .sit file i wanted to expand |
| 02:49.24 | louis_ | mtnman: you around? |
| 02:49.29 | nn | microatx would work well |
| 02:49.40 | gravity | sun_: Well, any app can send stuff out, even on linux. People just don't use those kinds of programs much |
| 02:49.49 | Azar | thank you mntman :) |
| 02:49.55 | nn | would be a bit large but not too terrible, huh? |
| 02:50.20 | sun_ | occured to me that something could send out your .ssh/ or other .files which might be "useful" |
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| 02:50.59 | louis_ | :q |
| 02:51.04 | louis_ | err.... |
| 02:51.06 | louis_ | wasn't me |
| 02:51.16 | louis_ | *runs for cover* |
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| 02:55.05 | Ry12 | how do i add another linux installation to my lilo.conf |
| 02:55.13 | Lob2k | Ry12. |
| 02:55.20 | Lob2k | have you compiled another kernel yet? |
| 02:55.34 | Ry12 | yes |
| 02:55.54 | Lob2k | just follow the same syntax as the other kernels that are listed there.. |
| 02:56.06 | Ry12 | it didnt work |
| 02:56.20 | Ry12 | Syntax error at or above line 147 in file '/etc/lilo.conf' |
| 02:56.37 | nipplesrulz | would any of yall have a clue on why k3b would not show buffer status while writing a dvd but would during a cdrom burn? |
| 02:56.43 | Lob2k | you want to copy bzImage to /boot/vmlinuz-2.versionname |
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| 02:57.30 | Ry12 | is this ok root=/dev/hda2 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 02:57.33 | Lob2k | then you want to add the following lines: image=/boot/vmlinuz-version |
| 02:57.50 | Lob2k | label=(whatever you want lilo to display at startup) |
| 02:57.55 | Lob2k | read-only |
| 02:58.00 | Ry12 | kernel name and everything is ok i think |
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| 02:58.14 | Lob2k | then up at the top you can change the default to the new label name. |
| 02:58.23 | mwilson | nipplesrulz: Because something's different about what it expects to be able to parse from growisofs's output during the burn than is actually getting output. |
| 02:58.30 | Ry12 | i think it errors cause i say theres 2 different root partitions |
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| 02:58.41 | Ry12 | but how do i specify a kernel on another partition |
| 02:58.52 | nipplesrulz | hmm |
| 02:59.00 | nipplesrulz | mwilson, do you run that program by chance? |
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| 02:59.02 | nipplesrulz | what i mean is |
| 02:59.02 | sun_ | anyone know when debian testing will have something past 2.6.8, and what it will be? |
| 02:59.14 | nipplesrulz | does it do that for other ppl than just me? |
| 02:59.20 | gravity | sun_: After the sarge release |
| 02:59.26 | mwilson | nipplesrulz: What gave you the idea that I needed you to explain what you meant? |
| 02:59.33 | dondelelcaro | sun_: it will have something past 2.6.8 after sarge... if you want something later, compile it yourself... |
| 02:59.42 | gravity | sun_: Testing is currently frozen so it can release soon. 2.6.8 is frozen as the release kernel |
| 02:59.48 | nipplesrulz | because ppl are always yammering to be more clear. |
| 03:00.01 | rking | is there a font & terminal combo that will actually display unicode chars? i want to play with unicode, but i've hit a bad run of combinations |
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| 03:00.11 | rking | (utf8 in particular) |
| 03:00.12 | Azar | am I dreaming or I am already getting security packages with Sarge? :) |
| 03:00.20 | gravity | Azar: You're not dreaming |
| 03:00.24 | Ry12 | with lilo if u have 2 different linux installations do u have to copy the kernels for each one to the same partition? |
| 03:00.24 | chealer | dondelelcaro: don't you think getting sid's is a better idea? |
| 03:00.26 | sun_ | is there a newer 2.6 kernel in unstable? anyone tried it out? what is it? |
| 03:00.30 | dondelelcaro | chealer: no. |
| 03:00.31 | Azar | :) that is so nice |
| 03:00.34 | gravity | sun_: I'm running .11 |
| 03:00.37 | chealer | sun_: 2.6.11 |
| 03:01.00 | chealer | dondelelcaro: how come? mix issues or stability? |
| 03:01.06 | Lob2k | Ry12, not sure...might be worth a try? |
| 03:01.08 | sun_ | thanks guys |
| 03:01.10 | dondelelcaro | chealer: oh, you mean sid's kernel. Sure. But not upgrading to sid... |
| 03:01.10 | mwilson | nipplesrulz: I will tell you that if you wanted to know if anyone else were seeing the behavior, rather than what was *causing* the behavior... then yes, you could have actually asked the former question, rather than the latter. |
| 03:01.20 | chealer | dondelelcaro: heh, hell no |
| 03:01.28 | SDFH_Linux | i tried to upgrade gnome to 2.6.10 and have a problem |
| 03:01.33 | Lob2k | why don't you try changing your root=path to the other root? |
| 03:01.35 | SDFH_Linux | with the gnome-menu |
| 03:01.40 | SDFH_Linux | anyone can help? |
| 03:01.45 | gravity | Welcome to experimental |
| 03:01.46 | mwilson | nipplesrulz: I don't know what help an answer to the second one would have been, when the next thing you would have asked would be "do you know why?", but there you go. |
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| 03:01.51 | useruser | I have a problem with the flash plugin: fonts seem missing (eg at http://www.blugg.com/bbc/storm/). Anyone got this working properly on debian? |
| 03:02.00 | SDFH_Linux | how do i go back gravity? |
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| 03:02.11 | SDFH_Linux | to gnome 2.8 |
| 03:02.28 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: Uninstall your experimental packages, change your sources back to whatever you wanted, then re-install |
| 03:02.35 | nipplesrulz | well i was actually tring to get 2 levels of information mwilson; wheather anyone saw the same thing and whether there was a fix.. but more importantly if that meant it was not utilizing my system to its full capactities, and whether to worry about how its installed or a config error somewhere. |
| 03:02.40 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: apt and dpkg can't roll back changes |
| 03:02.54 | rking | ok, do i'm looking for a file (in this case, /usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8/LC_CTYPE), how do i find out what package provides it? (i'd prefer a cli way, but any way is fine) |
| 03:03.01 | SDFH_Linux | so uninstall gnome experiemental |
| 03:03.03 | useruser | also if I right-click on a flash applet and click Settings... then the text is all blank. Can anyone confirm this? |
| 03:03.04 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: Alternately you could fix the problem |
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| 03:03.22 | IDC | Good morning :D |
| 03:03.24 | mwilson | <sigh> People can't think, and you can't make them think. |
| 03:03.32 | IDC | Hey i just tested , my NAT working !!! |
| 03:03.47 | IDC | Now im on my client machine --->NAT--> My Debian SERVER :D |
| 03:03.50 | SDFH_Linux | i tried and no luck gravity |
| 03:03.51 | IDC | cool |
| 03:04.03 | IDC | :) Thank you for helping me,anyone |
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| 03:04.22 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: No luck uninstalling? |
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| 03:04.41 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 03:04.50 | SDFH_Linux | what is the easiest way gravity |
| 03:05.24 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: To do what? To fix your problem? Get out the source code. To remove gnome? The same way you normally remove packages. |
| 03:05.37 | madclicker | problems with fglrx "modprobe fglrx" returns "FATAL: Module fglrx not found." help |
| 03:05.42 | SDFH_Linux | i would like to try to fix it somehow gravity |
| 03:05.52 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: Get out the code and figure out what's wrong |
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| 03:06.14 | awb4422 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:06.22 | dondelelcaro | awb4422: yes. |
| 03:06.35 | awb4422 | please dont say apt-build lol |
| 03:06.44 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: Don't /msg me |
| 03:06.45 | dondelelcaro | awb4422: however, odds are high that you don't actually need to do that. |
| 03:06.47 | gnix | who |
| 03:06.52 | IDC | Now im going to try ssh :) |
| 03:07.03 | awb4422 | basically...ffmpeg was not compiled with the --enable-xvid option |
| 03:07.07 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: If you keep /msg'ing me I'll /ignore you |
| 03:07.07 | SDFH_Linux | sorry i thought that would help gravity |
| 03:07.10 | awb4422 | and i would REALLY like it to be |
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| 03:07.25 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: Please use a pastebin for things like that |
| 03:07.35 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 03:07.51 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: If you want me to take a look at your output please put it in one and I'll have a look and see |
| 03:08.08 | awb4422 | dondelelcaro: any tips? |
| 03:08.22 | dondelelcaro | awb4422: apt-get source ffmpeg; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; apt-get builddep ffmpeg; cd mpeg-*; $EDITOR debian/rules; change configure call; fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 03:08.26 | IDC | for windows ssh client,is putty the neatest one ? |
| 03:08.32 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 03:08.33 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian#debian, and paste away. due to abuse we had to silence the bot, please announce the URL to the paste yourself |
| 03:08.50 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: paster =~ s/#debian#debian/#debian/ |
| 03:08.50 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: that doesn't contain '#debian#debian' |
| 03:08.57 | dondelelcaro | oi vay |
| 03:09.01 | gravity | Oh, we've got our own pastebot? |
| 03:09.01 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: paster =~ s/#debian// |
| 03:09.02 | dpkg | that doesn't contain '#debian', dondelelcaro |
| 03:09.05 | gravity | Nifty |
| 03:09.23 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: paster =~ s/\$channel// |
| 03:09.23 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: that doesn't contain '\$channel' |
| 03:09.25 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: paster =~ s/$channel// |
| 03:09.25 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 03:09.41 | idealbsd | which file should be modified when want to change warn message of bastille before login? |
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| 03:10.21 | IDC | I am on the putty download page,which one i should download ?there are many putty puttygen ... ? |
| 03:10.28 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 03:10.28 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 03:10.42 | SDFH_Linux | ok gravity i pasted it |
| 03:10.49 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: URL? |
| 03:10.55 | rking | IDC: just putty.exe |
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| 03:11.01 | IDC | rking, okay |
| 03:11.10 | SDFH_Linux | http://channels.debian.net/paste/133 |
| 03:11.45 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: Remove kdelibs-data |
| 03:12.03 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:12.03 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: There's some sort of conflict between that package and the gnome-menus one |
| 03:12.04 | awb4422 | dondelelcar: I am up to the last part where you told me fakeroot debian/rules binary... what exactly does that mean? |
| 03:12.14 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
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| 03:12.18 | SDFH_Linux | let me try that |
| 03:12.20 | madclicker | anyone had fglrx installed on sarge? |
| 03:12.23 | dondelelcaro | awb4422: it means exactly that... |
| 03:12.45 | dondelelcaro | awb4422: debian/rules is a makefile, binary is a target, and fakeroot is a method of faking being root. |
| 03:12.54 | awb4422 | dondelelcaro: is binary the target? |
| 03:12.56 | awb4422 | oh |
| 03:12.58 | awb4422 | sorry |
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| 03:13.19 | SDFH_Linux | hm its going to remove gravity a lot of stuff |
| 03:13.41 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: Well, if you use kde apps you'll have some problems |
| 03:13.42 | awb4422 | donelelcaro should my binary something like "ffmpeg-xvid.deb"? |
| 03:13.46 | dondelelcaro | you could dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -B; as well. |
| 03:13.47 | seven_six_two | madclicker: no, but let me know if you can. i did it on mandrake only |
| 03:13.48 | dondelelcaro | awb4422: yes. |
| 03:13.52 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: Alternatively you can remove all your gnome packages |
| 03:14.04 | SDFH_Linux | i think i am going have to remove all the gnome stuff |
| 03:14.13 | SDFH_Linux | then reinstall 2.8 |
| 03:14.16 | IDC | RichiH, its working :D im sshed in my debian :) |
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| 03:14.36 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: yeesh, just dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-menus_2.10.1-1_i386.deb |
| 03:14.36 | madclicker | seven_six_two: i had it on fedora, which is easy its RPM based |
| 03:14.46 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: this should be an indication that you shouldn't be running experimental though. |
| 03:14.55 | SDFH_Linux | yes now i know this |
| 03:14.57 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 03:14.59 | SDFH_Linux | opps |
| 03:15.31 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 307098 |
| 03:15.34 | dpkg | #307098:S[] kdelibs-data has /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu which is also in gnome-menus (experimental) Sat, 30 Apr 2005 18:03:02 UTC |
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| 03:16.42 | IDC | it seems with ssh its like operating on the local machine :D |
| 03:16.49 | IDC | cool |
| 03:17.01 | seven_six_two | madclicker: mandrake too. i sitll had some trouble with it, but it rendered funny for some games |
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| 03:18.07 | rking | seriously, i'm going crazy: why is /usr/lib/locale/* empty, but then /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale has en_US.UTF-8, but then that doesn't have the files that uxterm needs |
| 03:18.30 | madclicker | seven_six_two: in my case after exiting from UT the screen would remain bright, never the less in the game it was smoth (X800XT) |
| 03:18.51 | madclicker | PCIE |
| 03:19.04 | SDFH_Linux | dondedelcaro it seemed to do something |
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| 03:19.27 | SDFH_Linux | especially after i did a apt-get - f install |
| 03:19.32 | SDFH_Linux | afterwards |
| 03:19.36 | seven_six_two | madclicker: i was hesitant about buying it...america's army it rendered the background in front of the forground |
| 03:19.52 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: uh, of course it did something... man dpkg; read about the force options |
| 03:20.12 | madclicker | seven_six_two:nice |
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| 03:20.31 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 03:20.36 | jewel | is there a way for me to upgrade only packages from the security source? |
| 03:20.44 | SDFH_Linux | ok i am going to log into gnome and see how it goes and brb |
| 03:21.09 | seven_six_two | madclicker: and yet enemy territory worked really well |
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| 03:22.26 | dude | Delph you still here |
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| 03:22.45 | genix_ | how do I kill xmms if it has hanged? |
| 03:22.54 | dondelelcaro | genix_: with kill |
| 03:23.01 | genix_ | I can't even forcequit |
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| 03:23.11 | dondelelcaro | genix_: if it's in D, it hasn't hung, it's just in uninteruptible io sleep |
| 03:23.14 | nipplesrulz | er |
| 03:23.17 | nipplesrulz | did i just drop out? |
| 03:23.26 | nipplesrulz | i think my system just reset for no reason i can fathom |
| 03:23.30 | ethics | how scary would it be to install 1 app using a SID deb if im in sarge...or should i compile myself? |
| 03:23.37 | genix_ | dondelelcaro: kill xmms does not work, how do I find out the id |
| 03:23.40 | nipplesrulz | is there a way to check and see if there is a error/event log somewhere>? >< |
| 03:23.46 | dondelelcaro | genix_: kill $(pidof xmms) |
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| 03:23.58 | rking | ethics: i don't know anything about anything, but my vote is tarball it. can't hurt |
| 03:23.58 | dondelelcaro | (possibly kill -9) |
| 03:24.07 | genix_ | dondelelcaro: great =) |
| 03:24.10 | ethics | genix_, : ps-ef|grep xmms |
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| 03:24.29 | dondelelcaro | ethics: not a good idea unless you know exactly what you're doing |
| 03:24.30 | SDFH_Linux | ok it worked thanks gravity and dondelelcaro |
| 03:24.37 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: np |
| 03:25.03 | SDFH_Linux | now one last question when gnome makes it to unstable |
| 03:25.05 | IDC | is ssh security ? |
| 03:25.10 | ethics | dondelcaro: thats what i was thinking....seems strange to me that i can get a woody and a sid but no sarge deb hehe |
| 03:25.15 | SDFH_Linux | everything witll keep updating afterwards no problem right? |
| 03:25.29 | dondelelcaro | ethics: that just means that the package has been removed from sarge because it's buggy |
| 03:25.35 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: probably |
| 03:25.36 | dude | dumb question: When I use route to forward all requestion for an IP address from Server A to server B , both server A and server B have the same IP address (server A has the IP as an alias while Server B has it as its main address) how does route know im forward from one to the other? |
| 03:25.53 | ethics | dondelelcaro, it's only mythtv so should be easy enough....its not debian licence happy i expect |
| 03:26.02 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: but it *is* experimental... no one really worries too much if you have to manually whack things to get experimental to upgrade |
| 03:26.09 | ethics | dondelelcaro, a making i will go... |
| 03:26.11 | SDFH_Linux | when sarge comes out will it have gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4? |
| 03:26.18 | rking | dude: how is that useful to have 2 computers with the same ip as an alias on the same network? |
| 03:26.20 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: no, and no. |
| 03:26.35 | K_Dallas | sarge is freezed, isnt it? |
| 03:26.35 | SDFH_Linux | whoa really? |
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| 03:26.50 | K_Dallas | we have to move to sid then ;) |
| 03:26.50 | dondelelcaro | K_Dallas: yes. |
| 03:27.12 | IDC | hi dude,with a HUB in the middle of it ? |
| 03:27.15 | dondelelcaro | and no, you can just stay at testing. Once sarge is released (RSN) etch will fork off again |
| 03:27.17 | dude | rking that's my question. I have server A connected to a dsl modem. I want an internal server to function as if it were also directly connected. I have an Ip address for it, but dont know how to expose it |
| 03:27.24 | SDFH_Linux | well 2.10 and kde 3.4 are def faster |
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| 03:27.30 | dude | rking ie server a is the function as gateway |
| 03:27.45 | IDC | dude, damn,you are lucky,i had the same problem ,just been solved lol |
| 03:27.52 | IDC | dub, 2 PC with a HUB ? |
| 03:27.58 | IDC | oops |
| 03:28.01 | dude | rking so Server A has to listen to multiple IPs and then when IPb is heard, it forwards it to Server B as if server A never existed |
| 03:28.02 | IDC | dude, your gola is share internet ? |
| 03:28.24 | zu22 | i trying compile ircii on debian x86 and getting errors: term.c: In function `term_init': term.c:476: error: `ICANON' undeclared (first use in this function), term.c:480: error: `VTIME' undeclared (first use in this function), term.c: In function `term_eight_bit': term.c:866: error: `CSIZE' undeclared (first use in this function) any idea what include/lib i need to pass to gcc to get this compiled? |
| 03:28.38 | IDC | dude, so by then machine A -->ADSL--ISP && A with 2 NIC ,eth0-->adsl && eth1 --->client B ? |
| 03:28.44 | dude | IDC kind of. I want two servers to act as if they are independly connected to the internet with publickly exposed IPs but I have only one physical connection |
| 03:28.50 | rking | dude: ahh, ok - you want ipmasquerading. tell the routing server to port forward to the non-routing one - but IDC's got you taken care of, looks like |
| 03:28.52 | shingouz | zu22: Just apt-get install the darn thing |
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| 03:29.02 | zu22 | shingouz: i can' |
| 03:29.10 | IDC | dude, then no problem :)) lol ,many people have helped me about this ,now its working for me |
| 03:29.11 | zu22 | shingouz: i not rewt on this box |
| 03:29.13 | mwilson | zu22: Since Debian packages ircii, why do you think you have to build it yourself? |
| 03:29.29 | shingouz | zu22: Hmm... |
| 03:29.29 | zu22 | mwilson: i only have user acct on this box |
| 03:29.34 | SDFH_Linux | is sarge going to have xorg? |
| 03:29.40 | rking | what package provides /usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8? dpkg -S /usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 03:29.45 | mwilson | zu22: So? |
| 03:29.46 | fghj | how to start apache as a daemon? |
| 03:29.51 | reagent | SDFH_Linux: Nope |
| 03:29.54 | dondelelcaro | fghj: that's the way it starts by default. |
| 03:29.55 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:29.58 | dude | rking that's what im asking about: I look at route and man'd it and not sure how route is going to understand to forward Server A to ServerB is bother Server A and B are listening to the same Publick IP (not dhcp'd IP on server B) |
| 03:29.58 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: No |
| 03:30.01 | zu22 | mwilson: and apt doesn't seem to be installed |
| 03:30.05 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: It should be entering experimental fairly soon |
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| 03:30.10 | gravity | Hopefully this weekend, but we'll see |
| 03:30.15 | IDC | dude, keep it in mind,on the machine where has 2 NIC, for example, eth0 <192.168.0.1> connects to your dsl modem ,in the meantime, the another ethernet card eth1 it HAS to be assigned a DIFFERENT IP-range |
| 03:30.16 | SDFH_Linux | and should i try that out? |
| 03:30.16 | dondelelcaro | rking: locales |
| 03:30.19 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 03:30.34 | dondelelcaro | !+find usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8 |
| 03:30.34 | fghj | dondelelcaro, from boot? i don't see any apache modules w lsmod. |
| 03:30.36 | dude | IDC i know, i know. that's what im trying to figureout. |
| 03:30.38 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Only a very old locales package. |
| 03:30.39 | reagent | SDFH_Linux: do you have any particular reason why you want to try it out? |
| 03:30.43 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usr/lib/locale/en_US.UTF-8' returned no results. |
| 03:30.47 | SDFH_Linux | not really |
| 03:30.49 | IDC | dude, eth0 <192.168.0.1--->adsl modem , so eth1 CANNOT be 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 03:30.49 | reagent | gravity: cool |
| 03:30.54 | SDFH_Linux | this computer is a test box |
| 03:30.59 | SDFH_Linux | so i like to try out things |
| 03:31.07 | rking | dude: to be honest, i always just use the "ipcop" distro, and put it on a cheap old 386 or something... then it has a web interface that opens up a port. if noone here helps you in the next few minutes, i'll ssh into my router and read the source for it |
| 03:31.12 | SDFH_Linux | my other computer is just debian unstable and i leave it alone |
| 03:31.20 | gravity | They'll be pretty similar to the Ubuntu packages, so you could try those if you want a preview I guess |
| 03:31.27 | reagent | SDFH_Linux: Well, I guess people already told you that installing things from experimental often screws your box. |
| 03:31.28 | IDC | dude, hmmm so what that really problem it is ? |
| 03:31.33 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
| 03:31.43 | dude | rking you understan my question? I want server B to function as if i wasnt behind server A |
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| 03:31.51 | rking | dondelelcaro: hrm... i just installed that, and it seems like it installed every locale imaginable /but/ that |
| 03:31.58 | dondelelcaro | fghj: apache modules? apache doesn't get loaded from the kernel |
| 03:32.08 | dude | IDC how can both server A and B have the same IP address (alias on server a) get it to route correctly |
| 03:32.10 | dondelelcaro | rking: have you built the en_US.UTF-8 locale yet? |
| 03:32.11 | IDC | hmm |
| 03:32.13 | dondelelcaro | rking: dpkg-reconfigure locales; |
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| 03:32.16 | zu22 | mwilson: where would apt normally be? i can confirm it not installed then |
| 03:32.22 | rking | dondelelcaro: question 1) did you run that -S line or did you just remember? question 2) what is "caro"? |
| 03:32.31 | dondelelcaro | !tell rking about the meaning of dondelelcaro |
| 03:32.32 | rking | dondelelcaro: aha |
| 03:32.33 | SDFH_Linux | anyone using ubuntu here? |
| 03:32.38 | fghj | ok, what about the settings then? what hostname is it using? |
| 03:32.40 | IDC | dude, im now under server A ,i did an online scan,it scan my server A ,hmm |
| 03:32.43 | awb4422 | dondelelcaro: when i try to build the binary with fakeroot, it keeps bombing out, I have checked google but only see unanswered questions. The output is here: http://pastebin.com/283519 |
| 03:32.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell rking -about meaning of dondelelcaro |
| 03:32.50 | mwilson | zu22: Why would you need to confirm anything, rather than talking to the actual administrator of the box? |
| 03:32.55 | Ry12 | i installed sarge, what address should i add to the source file to use apt |
| 03:33.02 | awb4422 | dondelelcaro: see if you see anything if you get a chance |
| 03:33.20 | fghj | dondelelcaro, ok, what about the settings then? what hostname is it using? |
| 03:33.25 | dude | has another set up a transparent bridge? |
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| 03:33.41 | M4hd1 | anybody knows when will the msn licq plugin b on the debian pkgs? |
| 03:33.59 | adexta | M4hd1: LOL |
| 03:34.11 | mwilson | M4hd1: Whenever someone thinks there's a reason to create a package for it. |
| 03:34.12 | adexta | tell us another one! |
| 03:34.17 | dondelelcaro | fghj: eh? what in the world does that have to do with apache? |
| 03:34.31 | IDC | dude, my network structure ---> Server A with 2 Ethernet cards . eth0<192.168.1.2>-->connects to adsl modem-->ISP ; eth1 <192.168.2.1> ---->HUB------>connects to Client machine B <192.168.2.2> |
| 03:34.36 | M4hd1 | adexta, people say its already functional |
| 03:34.50 | Ry12 | i installed sarge, what address should i add to the source file to use apt |
| 03:34.50 | M4hd1 | adexta, and gaim is starting to piss me off again |
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| 03:34.57 | rking | dude: ipmasquerading basically alows all traffic from computers B-Z to flow through (in /and/ out - it's kind of interesting) computer A, using computer A's external interface |
| 03:35.05 | IDC | rking, he left |
| 03:35.11 | fghj | apache is a program for server, does a server not need a hostname? |
| 03:35.24 | NetDC | Ry12:#apt-setup |
| 03:35.28 | rking | IDC: *phew*... it was starting to get in to the point where i'd have to do research. =) |
| 03:35.28 | exobyte | I'm setting up my computer to mirror one drive with another nightly. how should I do this? cp -r, rsync, ...? |
| 03:35.32 | ethics | SDFH_Linux, : i have a unbutu install on my lappy |
| 03:35.53 | dondelelcaro | awb4422: first off, you don't need sudo... just run fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 03:36.03 | IDC | rking, hmm so usually on Client machine can have the full abilities as it on the server ? |
| 03:36.12 | SDFH_Linux | ethics how good is it on there? |
| 03:36.13 | awb4422 | ok, still get the same thing |
| 03:36.21 | dondelelcaro | fghj: the server has to have a hostname, but that's totally ancilliary to apache. |
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| 03:36.23 | M4hd1 | mwilson, its part of the licq source. =/ sould b shipped on its very pkg |
| 03:36.25 | dondelelcaro | !tell fghj about hostname |
| 03:36.55 | ethics | SDFH_Linux, : shrug....it works...what you looking for in particular? |
| 03:37.05 | reagent | M4hd1: so the licq version in debian is just too old? file a wishlist bug about it.. btw, gaim 1.3 has jsut been uploaded some days ago IIRC |
| 03:37.17 | SDFH_Linux | just wondering how stable ubuntu really is compared to sarge |
| 03:37.18 | mwilson | M4hd1: I'm sure the maintainer will be terribly interested in what you think he "should" do. |
| 03:37.38 | ethics | exobyte, prolly rsync... |
| 03:37.53 | fghj | dondelelcaro, say, i want to use apache to turn my machine into webserver. it would have to access the http.conf file, which has a ServerName to fill. |
| 03:37.59 | exobyte | ethics: just because it won't overwrite that's unchanged? |
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| 03:38.11 | rking | IDC: i'm not sure if i'm parsing your question right or not, but there are limitations: outbound is kind of easy - #A just routes the packets on out. but to get the replies back on those connections, it uses TCP trics (sequence/session numbers) to know how to route back. now, as far as outside stuff being able to initiate connections... |
| 03:38.13 | dondelelcaro | fghj: so fill it. |
| 03:38.30 | fghj | what name to use? |
| 03:38.40 | mwilson | ack |
| 03:38.42 | dondelelcaro | fghj: whatever your hostname is |
| 03:38.55 | dondelelcaro | awb4422: did you install the builddeps? |
| 03:38.58 | zu22 | mwilson: he's on summer vacation and unreachable atm |
| 03:39.13 | rking | IDC: that's a different deal. basically inbound connections can't be initiated by default, unless #A decides to map a port - which means "any connection attempt on port 45 will automatically go to #B, port 45", and then #B acts as if its port 45 is public. |
| 03:39.15 | dondelelcaro | awb4422: apt-get build-dep ffmpeg; |
| 03:39.18 | fghj | dondelelcaro, i have a hostname from DynDns, can i use that? |
| 03:39.28 | dondelelcaro | fghj: if it resolves to your ip, sure. |
| 03:39.30 | fghj | or shoudl i use that? |
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| 03:39.38 | ethics | exobyte, it depends on how you want to do it.....alot use rsync and scripts to do it but there are actual programs that do backups as their focus so you may find soimething better |
| 03:39.46 | dondelelcaro | fghj: but this is all covered in basic introductory apache manuals |
| 03:39.49 | awb4422 | dondelelcaro: yes, i typed that in, but nothing really happens besides apt saying 0 installed, 0 upgraded, etc.. |
| 03:39.55 | SDFH_Linux | whoa everything in my debian menu is duplicated |
| 03:40.00 | dondelelcaro | awb4422: hrm... it should have installed a few packagess |
| 03:40.09 | M4hd1 | mwilson, it's not about what i think he should do. He had to specify on its configure script not to include msn plugin. Just wondering why he did that. Not complaining. I could compile licq myself if that's so important, that's why I came here to ask if someone has a good reason why I shouldn't. (just thought that if it isnt packaged, there must be a reason) |
| 03:40.10 | rking | dondelelcaro: sp. |
| 03:40.20 | rking | dondelelcaro: oops - right hand shifted to the right |
| 03:40.28 | rking | dondelelcaro: so, "don delegates to oracle"? |
| 03:40.33 | IDC | rking, Those threads are very easy to make one person confuse |
| 03:40.38 | rking | dondelelcaro: btw your dpkg-reconfigure worked perfectly - thank you |
| 03:40.44 | IDC | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.56 | M4hd1 | reagent, licq version is the latest stable. It's source includes the msn plugin, but it isnt packaged yet |
| 03:40.58 | fghj | dondelelcaro, as usual, there are many other stuffs irrelevant to what i want to do. |
| 03:40.59 | rking | IDC: no doubt - that's why i just download an ipcop cd and let it take the ugly work for me. |
| 03:41.00 | dondelelcaro | rking: no... it's slightly less obtuse than that... no problem. |
| 03:41.26 | ethics | SDFH_Linux, |
| 03:41.32 | dondelelcaro | abydos: anyway, the build that I have here against my pbuilder chroot is working fine... even with the change. Most likely you didn't have build-essential or all of the build-deps installed. |
| 03:41.35 | SDFH_Linux | yes |
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| 03:42.26 | dondelelcaro | s/abydos/awb4422/ |
| 03:42.34 | M4hd1 | well, gotta go. Tkz anyway all |
| 03:42.38 | reagent | M4hd1: What version? 1.3.0 is there already |
| 03:42.42 | reagent | cya M4hd1 |
| 03:42.44 | dondelelcaro | well, with the caveat that it failed utterly because libxvidcore4-dev wasn't isntalled |
| 03:42.49 | SDFH_Linux | brb |
| 03:42.52 | M4hd1 | reagent, yep. 1.3.0 includes the msn plugin |
| 03:42.53 | awb4422 | dondelelcaro: alright - ill see if something else is borked |
| 03:42.57 | OBGurl | Is there anyway to force vi to paste something exactly how it looks in a browser? eg, when I cut and paste into vi it always adds a ton of line breaks and crap. |
| 03:42.58 | fghj | dondelelcaro, say i want to setup a webserver on my home computer. i have apache, i hv hostname from DynDns. i use it in the http.conf. is that all? doesn't seem to work. |
| 03:43.02 | M4hd1 | reagent, only on the oficial source. Not on the debian pkg |
| 03:43.03 | reagent | M4hd1: 1.3.0 is in unstable |
| 03:43.24 | M4hd1 | reagent, yep. I have it installed. |
| 03:43.26 | ethics | SDFH_Linux, : you need to ask better questions......unbutu is useable...leave it in the corner and it still runs the next day....some of the apps are quirky depending what you wanna run etc but im not tearing my head out expecting BSoDs etc....im a bit surprised when something doesnt work but i just do those things on sarge |
| 03:43.54 | dondelelcaro | fghj: yes, that's basically it. If it's not working, then the hostname isn't resolving, or it's not resolving to your ip. |
| 03:44.37 | reagent | M4hd1: Hm, I don't see that the maintainer disabled it in the configure script |
| 03:44.55 | mwilson | OBGurl: In vi, or *vim*? |
| 03:45.24 | IDC | If with SSH it can do things like doing it in local,i think i should always ssh to my debian server on windows platform ? |
| 03:45.44 | M4hd1 | reagent, nope, but he splitted all the plugins in separated pkgs. The msn plugin was ignored though |
| 03:45.49 | fghj | dondelelcaro, what about /etc/hosts or /etc/hostname? are they required? |
| 03:45.51 | IDC | Because i do need to use windows to work a bit,in the meantime,with SSH i can still learn all stuff related to Linux |
| 03:45.55 | JoshH | mwilson: i have that same issue with vim, do you know a way to fix it? |
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| 03:46.06 | IDC | am i right ? i mean,does SSH have some limits in use ? |
| 03:46.07 | dude | hi all still working on route |
| 03:46.12 | awb4422 | dondelelcaro - thanks for the help... i think something else is messed up |
| 03:46.19 | mwilson | JoshH: :he paste |
| 03:46.25 | IDC | for example,am i allowed to recompile linux kernel via ssh ? |
| 03:46.29 | JoshH | cool, thanks |
| 03:46.31 | dude | route add -net 69.30.17.117 netmask 255.255.255.255 ga 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:46.36 | dude | route add -net 69.30.17.117 netmask 255.255.255.255 gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:47.06 | dude | this will make an ip address request for 69.30.17.117 go to 192.168.1.1 on an internal interface? |
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| 03:47.46 | M4hd1 | gotta go! |
| 03:47.47 | tga | IDC: compiling the kernel across state lines is illegal |
| 03:47.51 | M4hd1 | reagent, tkz ;D |
| 03:47.51 | IDC | dude, hmm i have instant script which MUST work for you ,cuz we are on the same boat |
| 03:48.02 | dude | IDC tell me what you are tring to do? |
| 03:48.04 | OBGurl | mwilson in vi |
| 03:48.07 | IDC | dude, although i dont understand how they work it out,but yeah,it works :) |
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| 03:48.12 | zu22_ | j #netrek |
| 03:48.25 | IDC | dude, my network structure ---> Server A with 2 Ethernet cards . eth0<192.168.1.2>-->connects to adsl modem-->ISP ; eth1 <192.168.2.1> ---->HUB------>connects to Client machine B <192.168.2.2> |
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| 03:48.40 | IDC | dude, tell me if yours are same,or..its gonna be another story |
| 03:49.00 | SDFH_Linux | so anyone know why my debian menu entries are doubled? |
| 03:49.07 | fghj | is there a way to monitor apache's activities? |
| 03:49.09 | tga | zu22_: Bad command or file name |
| 03:49.27 | IDC | tga, illegal ? what do you mean ? |
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| 03:49.40 | zu22_ | tga: heh |
| 03:49.43 | dude | IDC yes that is the same. I want B to be a server with its own unique IP address and I want server a (connected to dsl) to hand off any reqquests on the IP address to be sent to server B (server A has its own unqiue address |
| 03:49.59 | SDFH_Linux | hm only in gnome though |
| 03:50.00 | IDC | tga, invalid operation,or its according to the GPL rules something ? |
| 03:50.07 | OBGurl | Is there anyway to force vi to paste something exactly how it looks in a browser? eg, when I cut and paste into vi it always adds a ton of line breaks and crap. |
| 03:50.07 | dude | IDC i dont want server b just to be nat's behind server a |
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| 03:50.28 | IDC | dude, oh..hmm |
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| 03:50.54 | IDC | dude, maybe ours are different purposes |
| 03:51.02 | dude | IDC yes, but thanks. |
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| 03:51.25 | IDC | dude, wait, there is a nice person stick in #iptables ,his/her name is Bart-mdv- |
| 03:51.59 | rking | dude: what's wrong wrong with server be just nat'd behind server a? |
| 03:52.03 | IDC | dude, drag a note there to let him/her know,because i am so confused now yet its working for me,so i do not want to wrong-tell you anything that maybe screw the things up,okay ? |
| 03:52.05 | rking | s/be/b |
| 03:52.26 | dude | rking i want it to be completely separate from the Server A and want Server B to be completely exposed |
| 03:52.36 | rking | IDC: what's your native language? just curious. |
| 03:53.02 | IDC | rking, Chinese |
| 03:53.05 | rking | dude: how do you expect that to happen? you're going to have to buy another IP from your ISP. that's all there is to it |
| 03:53.19 | rking | IDC: i like that "i do not want to wrong-tell you" |
| 03:53.34 | dude | rking easystreet has a good deal on multiple Ips |
| 03:53.35 | IDC | rking, yeah,that is the basic for trying to help |
| 03:53.45 | ethics | rking: he want to use his two public IPs on two different PCs |
| 03:54.10 | jasoncohen | is the testing branch stable enough for a desktop system? |
| 03:54.12 | rking | ethics: wait, he has 2 public IP's? then shouldn't that setup be trivial? |
| 03:54.22 | SDFH_Linux | so anyone know why my debian menu entries are doubled in gnome? |
| 03:54.28 | reagent | jasoncohen: yes |
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| 03:54.40 | rking | just go PC->hub, PC->hub, hub->modem |
| 03:55.11 | ethics | rking: modem is inot PC i thinks |
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| 03:55.21 | rking | hrm? |
| 03:55.25 | ethics | reking: inot = into |
| 03:56.03 | jasoncohen | i have been using Mandrake for 1.5 years or so and I'm looking to update to a distro with a greater package base and more recent updates. Is installation and use of debian reasonably easy? I expect to have to do more work and I'm OK with that but I just want to know if I'm up to the challenge. |
| 03:56.35 | IDC | rking, dude has 2 static pubic IP ? |
| 03:56.42 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: installing sarge is fairly straightforward. |
| 03:56.46 | K_Dallas | jasoncohen: Debian is by far easier to use than mandrake and much mor fun, just spend a little time on it |
| 03:56.56 | K_Dallas | and do not expect all HUI |
| 03:56.58 | SDFH_Linux | i came from mandrake 10 |
| 03:57.01 | jasoncohen | K_Dallas: really, how so? |
| 03:57.02 | K_Dallas | GUI* |
| 03:57.10 | SDFH_Linux | after using it since mandrake 6.5 |
| 03:57.19 | K_Dallas | first of all, debian is faster as far as i can say so that is a big + |
| 03:57.23 | SDFH_Linux | debian is far easier to maintain up to date |
| 03:57.23 | Silensius | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.26 | SDFH_Linux | and faster |
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| 03:57.35 | nn | yea |
| 03:57.40 | SDFH_Linux | just dont put experimental packages hehe |
| 03:57.45 | jasoncohen | definitely and mandrake really only releases security and bugfixes which is annoying |
| 03:58.09 | SDFH_Linux | i used jasoncohen debian sarge netinstall |
| 03:58.12 | SDFH_Linux | and it worked great |
| 03:58.15 | jasoncohen | i am looking at both fedora and debian. how do they compare? |
| 03:58.23 | K_Dallas | they always recommend mandrake for new users and i did use it too but debian should have been the one to recommend |
| 03:58.28 | SDFH_Linux | i have it running on my all computers |
| 03:58.29 | jasoncohen | the fedora base seems quite small but with RPMforge it's quite good |
| 03:58.40 | jasoncohen | K_Dallas: why is htat? |
| 03:58.40 | K_Dallas | jasoncohen: each time i installed fedora, i came back to debian ;) |
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| 03:58.42 | jasoncohen | *that |
| 03:58.49 | rking | ethics: then there's his problem |
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| 03:59.01 | rking | dude: have you tried putting a hub between your PC's and the modem? |
| 03:59.04 | jasoncohen | K_Dallas: which version of FC did yo uuse? |
| 03:59.04 | SDFH_Linux | fedora and or redhat i never really used |
| 03:59.16 | SDFH_Linux | i tried it but i didnt like it for some reason |
| 03:59.18 | SDFH_Linux | same with suse |
| 03:59.20 | jasoncohen | where doesn't debian have a GUI? |
| 03:59.20 | ethics | jasoncohen: its easy to install has a wide package base but prolly doesnt have more recent updates....it's not xorg ....its not kde3.4 and its not gnome 2.10 but its pretty much rock solid |
| 03:59.24 | rking | IDC: i guess so - according to ethics - i haven't been paying attention that well, so maybe |
| 03:59.26 | K_Dallas | jasoncohen: with debian you learn to accomodate yourself in a linux environment and not to rely only upon a company's sys admin tools |
| 03:59.47 | rking | jasoncohen: what K_Dallas says is truth and not a lie. |
| 03:59.57 | SDFH_Linux | yes coming from mandrake i have learned more on debian |
| 04:00.05 | jasoncohen | ethics: so debian testing is as recent or less recent than fedora? |
| 04:00.14 | K_Dallas | mandrake makes one lazy as if one lives in windows :) |
| 04:00.19 | jasoncohen | true |
| 04:00.21 | jasoncohen | i want to learn more |
| 04:00.22 | SDFH_Linux | true |
| 04:00.22 | ethics | rking: sorry yeah i think so... |
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| 04:00.42 | jasoncohen | i've been working with SSH & OpenVPN but i need to learn more about linux |
| 04:00.45 | SDFH_Linux | the lazyest computers i have seen though are the apple users |
| 04:01.08 | K_Dallas | SDFH_Linux: really? i havent touch a mac in 12 years :) |
| 04:01.09 | IDC | rking, I see |
| 04:01.16 | SDFH_Linux | i had a powerbook |
| 04:01.22 | SDFH_Linux | for a little bit |
| 04:01.28 | jasoncohen | ethics: fedora core 3 doesn't have KDE 3.4 or gnome 2.10 either in its base although KDE redhat does have packages for 3.4 |
| 04:01.36 | SDFH_Linux | at then end of its life i had debian ppc on it |
| 04:01.41 | IDC | Would anyone explain ,why through SSH to do kernel recompile is considered 'illegal' ? |
| 04:01.41 | SDFH_Linux | but then i just got rid of it |
| 04:01.44 | K_Dallas | :) i see |
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| 04:01.52 | rking | hey! i got a unicode-displaying font from a uxterm! this is a lifetime achievement for me. the magic combo was: uxterm, dpkg-reconfigure locales (select en_US.UTF-8), and then "unifont" (which required an X restart to work) |
| 04:01.55 | SDFH_Linux | macosx is pretty but i dont see the big deal |
| 04:02.06 | SDFH_Linux | and to pay for major upgrades is silly |
| 04:02.12 | dondelelcaro | IDC: it's not |
| 04:02.14 | ethics | jasoncohen, : sarge is technically behind time in comparison to some other distros...but it also has a more stable version of stable as it' definition i think |
| 04:02.19 | SDFH_Linux | mostly when you have used linux for awhile |
| 04:02.38 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.47 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 04:02.51 | nn | css, javascript, and php w/ imagemagick |
| 04:02.54 | IDC | dondelelcaro, logically,it can be done no problem ? |
| 04:03.03 | nn | from scrollbars to buttons |
| 04:03.07 | K_Dallas | a while back, i got myself sarge and upgraded the kernel and crazy stuff, this time i am sticking with it and been pretty happy :) |
| 04:03.08 | nn | and form fields |
| 04:03.16 | dondelelcaro | IDC: I do it all the time. |
| 04:03.21 | IDC | dondelelcaro, by the way,i mean SSH to my machine in the same room |
| 04:03.22 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.40 | rking | dondelelcaro: do you use unifont? nm what i said just a minute ago about it working - i'm getting "xterm: unable to open 'unifont', trying 'fixed'" |
| 04:03.45 | SDFH_Linux | mandrake updates would break stuff |
| 04:03.50 | ethics | jasoncohen, some people think its too far behind some people thing the latest and greatest are more stable some thing more unstable....the thing i like about debian is that when you type apt-get install PKGNAME you get a working proggy everytime 8).... |
| 04:03.50 | SDFH_Linux | i remember |
| 04:03.51 | dondelelcaro | rking: no, I just use fixed. |
| 04:04.09 | herbi_ | what can i use to set the root background of my x session? |
| 04:04.13 | herbi_ | xsetroot only does bitmaps |
| 04:04.17 | IDC | dondelelcaro, ah,good news ...so come to a conclusion,it depends on how i set up SSH on server ,logically with SSH can do everything as doing it in local machine ? |
| 04:04.19 | herbi_ | bsetroot cant even do files :/ |
| 04:04.20 | jasoncohen | ethics: i can't find an app that debian DOESN'T have except for mythtv |
| 04:04.26 | SDFH_Linux | yes thats true ethics it just works |
| 04:04.45 | dondelelcaro | IDC: yes. Many of my machines have not have monitors attached to them for years |
| 04:04.46 | jasoncohen | huh...i see mozilla-mplayer and xmms-mplayer but no mplayer? why? |
| 04:04.49 | herbi_ | is there anything else? |
| 04:04.54 | jasoncohen | i'm searching in http://packages.debian.org/testing/allpackages |
| 04:05.01 | reagent | herbi_: I've heared from xsetbg and habak, the latter is not in debian |
| 04:05.06 | IDC | dondelelcaro, no keyboard/mosue connect to them ,either ? |
| 04:05.08 | reagent | herbi_: at least not officially |
| 04:05.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell jasoncohen about mplayer legal saga |
| 04:05.11 | seven_six_two | jasoncohen: i think due to licensing |
| 04:05.15 | IDC | mouse* |
| 04:05.20 | SDFH_Linux | i have mplayer |
| 04:05.24 | seven_six_two | and patents |
| 04:05.26 | SDFH_Linux | but it didnt come with it |
| 04:05.38 | K_Dallas | maplayer was a p.i.t.a to install from their website guidelines :) |
| 04:05.39 | reagent | herbi_: xsetbg is in xloadimage |
| 04:05.47 | ethics | jasoncohen, myth works on sarge you just need to search for sarge mythtv from scratch in goodle to find the instructions .....the deb files from mythtv are actually UNBUTU's but it works in Sid (the experimental debian distro |
| 04:06.01 | gravity | It's Ubuntu. Not UBUNTU. |
| 04:06.06 | dondelelcaro | sid==unstable. Experimental is totally different. |
| 04:06.07 | gravity | Why do people feel the need to shout names of things? |
| 04:06.16 | jasoncohen | ethics: and how unstable is sid? |
| 04:06.17 | dondelelcaro | gravity: because they're secretly vogons |
| 04:06.19 | IDC | dondelelcaro, may i ask ... are all of your machine that runs 24/7 have SCSI HDD ?or just the generic IDE HDD ? |
| 04:06.23 | ethics | mythtv & mplayer are both not in apt because of licensing stuffs.......decrypling DVDs id expect without looking |
| 04:06.25 | dondelelcaro | IDC: depends on the machine |
| 04:06.25 | herbi_ | reagent: ta :) |
| 04:06.32 | SDFH_Linux | have most of you guys started with debian? |
| 04:06.38 | SDFH_Linux | or come from other distross |
| 04:06.42 | gravity | SDFH_Linux: No, I started with Mandrake ages ago |
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| 04:06.51 | jasoncohen | has anyone here used ubuntu? It seems like a Mandrakeish distro. |
| 04:06.57 | IDC | dondelelcaro, i mean,since i haven't tried it,really have no idea if it's *no harm* to run a server 24/7 with an IDE HDD |
| 04:07.09 | seven_six_two | mandrake - suse - slack - debian - ubuntu/kubuntu - debian |
| 04:07.10 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: no, it's another Debian pased distro |
| 04:07.20 | dondelelcaro | IDC: no, it doesn't really make any difference. |
| 04:07.21 | ethics | jasoncohen, well i havent tried it but id say ....very....donelelcaro: would prolly say not too bad as he understands more on the inside than most |
| 04:07.26 | K_Dallas | i started with mandrake, then suse, then slackware, then redhat (failed on me) then fedora, debian, fedora, suse, ubuntu, xandros, and debina ;) |
| 04:07.29 | reagent | IDC: We are doing this here, bot not with generic disks but server IDE disks |
| 04:07.32 | IDC | dondelelcaro, :) |
| 04:07.53 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro: i read their site. They certainly coddle their users. |
| 04:07.54 | IDC | reagent, server IDE disks ? |
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| 04:08.14 | jasoncohen | seemed like i was looking at linspire..lol |
| 04:08.19 | ethics | i cam from a few others but i didnt spend much time adminiing etc...more using |
| 04:08.27 | SDFH_Linux | i started with mdk 6.5 and suse 6.3 and beos 4.5 |
| 04:08.27 | reagent | IDC: Well yes, designed for servers |
| 04:08.28 | K_Dallas | linspire is just too crippled for me to test |
| 04:08.33 | SDFH_Linux | when i had enough of windows |
| 04:08.35 | IDC | reagent, i didn't know besides the IDE hdd,there are some special IDE HDD were designed for server ...excuse me |
| 04:08.40 | SDFH_Linux | i tried everything that seemed different |
| 04:08.48 | jasoncohen | K_Dallas: what did you think of ubuntu? |
| 04:08.50 | SDFH_Linux | but i have tried most of them |
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| 04:08.55 | IDC | reagent, I see |
| 04:08.58 | SDFH_Linux | even gentoo |
| 04:09.13 | SDFH_Linux | rh i for some reason couldnt get into |
| 04:09.17 | SDFH_Linux | suse either |
| 04:09.18 | K_Dallas | jasoncohen: ubuntu is almost debian but their latest version has a creepy wallpaper, it ticked me off right away :) |
| 04:09.36 | K_Dallas | and a lot of more bugs |
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| 04:09.41 | rking | K_Dallas: what was the deal with the wallpaper? |
| 04:09.42 | reagent | IDC: But I've heared from many people using 'normal' IDE disks for several years in servers... my experience is that they often break after 2 or 3 years |
| 04:09.52 | K_Dallas | it was just so ugly, colorwise |
| 04:09.58 | SDFH_Linux | slackware is fast but didnt have many packages |
| 04:09.59 | jasoncohen | so, how does system administration work in debian? do you ever have to do a fresh install or just apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 04:10.00 | rking | =) |
| 04:10.12 | OBGurl | Is there anyway to force vi to paste something exactly how it looks in a browser? eg, when I cut and paste into vi it always adds a ton of line breaks and crap. |
| 04:10.15 | gravity | jasoncohen: No one does fresh installs unless it's a new box |
| 04:10.17 | jasoncohen | is mplayer in the non-free debian repo? |
| 04:10.26 | gravity | OBGurl: If you can figure that out, please tell me! |
| 04:10.32 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: there are people running machines that were running slink |
| 04:10.33 | SDFH_Linux | i havent done a fresh install in a long time |
| 04:10.38 | reagent | jasoncohen: mplayer isn't there at all yet... waiting for ftp-master review |
| 04:10.39 | jasoncohen | slink? |
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| 04:10.49 | ethics | IDC differences between scsi and IDE are logic board only....you can run either 24/7 etc |
| 04:10.52 | gravity | jasoncohen: Circa '97 release |
| 04:10.54 | IDC | reagent, hmm |
| 04:10.55 | jasoncohen | reagent: so mplayer has to be compiled from source now |
| 04:11.15 | ethics | jasoncohen, mplayer is available as a deb so thats arge ready no probs.... |
| 04:11.16 | chealer | !slink |
| 04:11.16 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 04:11.18 | jasoncohen | so what's woody for- the same people using Redhat Enterprise |
| 04:11.20 | dondelelcaro | (probably even earlier, but it's a rare machine that was around that early that has enough memory to run woody) |
| 04:11.20 | reagent | jasoncohen: We use images for workstation... and if a server gets rooted, it's clear that you have to make a fresh install |
| 04:11.22 | gravity | Oh, damn. Off by two years. |
| 04:11.26 | SDFH_Linux | anyway to check guys the date debian was install on your box I am just curious |
| 04:11.37 | gravity | Slink was my first install waaaay back when. Potato came out like a week later. |
| 04:11.43 | chealer | SDFH_Linux: $ uptime |
| 04:11.44 | K_Dallas | if you read mplayer website, you would notice that they might not be in the business for long, copyright problem |
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| 04:11.54 | jasoncohen | dpkg is a smart bot, heh |
| 04:12.04 | reagent | jasoncohen: Or you can use a package from marillat, or the one which is waiting for review. But there is no official package in debian yet |
| 04:12.25 | SDFH_Linux | no way to check date of install? |
| 04:12.26 | jasoncohen | where would i get that package? |
| 04:12.41 | ethics | K_Dallas, yeah i heard the same thing about supernova.org.....doesn't seem to stop me getting the torrents i need |
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| 04:12.46 | IDC | ethics, SCSI has faster speeds,say over 10,000RPM is a reserved value for SCSI HDDs,logically a HDD has faster RPM will be broke easily than the slow RPM |
| 04:12.53 | reagent | !tell jasoncohen about marillat |
| 04:13.21 | jasoncohen | cool, thanks |
| 04:13.28 | ethics | K_Dallas, not to say it will not close etc but MPlayer will live on underground etc |
| 04:13.35 | seven_six_two | server list is at www.apt-get.org |
| 04:13.46 | jasoncohen | i have to say. I didn't expect you guys to be so helpful. I figured i would be ignored because I use Mandrake, heh |
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| 04:14.04 | SDFH_Linux | i used mandrake for a long time but i am glad i moved over |
| 04:14.09 | SDFH_Linux | after using mdk 10 |
| 04:14.10 | ethics | IDC: incorrect......MTBF is higher on 15K drives than 10K drives.....they have different QA |
| 04:14.16 | SDFH_Linux | best thing i did jasoncohen |
| 04:14.18 | jasoncohen | ethics: so why isn't xine facing the same problem? |
| 04:14.27 | seven_six_two | jasoncohen: have you added servers with urpmi? |
| 04:14.44 | jasoncohen | cool, marillat has acroread 7 as well...debian has everything! |
| 04:14.45 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: see the threads that dpkg spat out earlier... |
| 04:14.51 | IDC | ethics, MTBF ? |
| 04:14.54 | chealer | jasoncohen: don't worry, I installed debian about 8 months after I installed mdk...and I'm me |
| 04:15.12 | jasoncohen | heh, thanks chealer |
| 04:15.23 | ethics | jasoncohen, Xine doesnt have DRM issues can only play unencrypted....already ripped dvds mplayer can play originals.....not sure exactly where the issue lies but it was all to do with CSS decrypting |
| 04:15.37 | ethics | IDC mean time before failure........average lifetime |
| 04:15.39 | jasoncohen | xine can play encrypted dvds with libdvdcss |
| 04:15.40 | jasoncohen | i've done so |
| 04:15.52 | reagent | true |
| 04:15.58 | brlancer | I think it's the way they link |
| 04:16.17 | brlancer | b/c the debian xine uses a bunch of very non-free libraries |
| 04:16.32 | reagent | brlancer: AFAIK you can run a script in /usr/share which downloads the libcss stuff |
| 04:16.34 | IDC | ethics, I see |
| 04:16.37 | brlancer | so it must be in the how and not the what |
| 04:16.42 | jasoncohen | huh, so why can't mplayer just change their code? |
| 04:16.48 | ethics | IDC: IDE boards have no brain...>SCSI boards have a brain....why scsi is better |
| 04:16.50 | zu22 | how can i read a raw man file in the shell - groff? |
| 04:16.51 | jasoncohen | fedora doesn't include mplayer either |
| 04:17.04 | K_Dallas | people should start moving to ree codecs and forget about mp3, etc, imho |
| 04:17.08 | K_Dallas | free* |
| 04:17.10 | dondelelcaro | jasoncohen: again, it's delinated in that thread... it's not as trivial as it sounds at first. |
| 04:17.10 | jasoncohen | i'm i better off doing a net or a CD install? |
| 04:17.11 | reagent | jasoncohen: they did, and maybe the new version is clean enough to make it into debian... |
| 04:17.12 | IDC | ethics, I see :) Thanks for the info |
| 04:17.22 | ethics | IDC: the main reason you dont see high RPM IDE disks is because the bottleneck is the controller |
| 04:17.23 | K_Dallas | netinstall |
| 04:17.25 | SDFH_Linux | i used netinstall |
| 04:17.29 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro: sorry- going to read now |
| 04:17.34 | seven_six_two | i used netinstall too |
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| 04:17.48 | ethics | IDC: i cant get a 7200 RPM drive to max out unless my PC isnt running windows to start with.... |
| 04:17.53 | SDFH_Linux | i got an old hd on this test computer |
| 04:18.02 | jasoncohen | Lurker - failed to render page: |
| 04:18.03 | jasoncohen | Missing extension (2): |
| 04:18.04 | IDC | ethics, That should be,just like now they develop PCI-E to try to replace PCI |
| 04:18.10 | SDFH_Linux | and it too like 40min |
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| 04:18.26 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro: it's not coming up. i get that lurker error |
| 04:18.26 | ethics | jasoncohen, /msg dpkg !d-i |
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| 04:19.16 | jasoncohen | thanks |
| 04:19.20 | ethics | IDC PIC-E replaces AGP.....as for replacing PCI i dunno i wouldn't do it with PCI |
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| 04:20.30 | jasoncohen | ethics: lol- the CD install has 14 CDs? |
| 04:20.35 | SDFH_Linux | what kernel by default does netinstall install now |
| 04:20.37 | SDFH_Linux | ? |
| 04:20.44 | jasoncohen | no wonder why everyone uses the netinstall |
| 04:20.49 | IDC | ethics, typo,yup...to replace AGP lol |
| 04:21.00 | jasoncohen | reminds me of when floppy's were used |
| 04:21.11 | ethics | IDC: the main reason IDE & SCSI existed as 2 seperate methods is because MDF was IBM......SCSI was 3rd party.....ibm made PS/1 which had the first IDE drive i think which was a suped up rehash of MDF |
| 04:22.10 | ethics | jasoncohen, full set of debian is huge...but includes all the apps in apt i think..... i have enough outdated CD in my house i dont need 14 disks to use 1 disc worth of files when i can just download them faster |
| 04:22.29 | IDC | ethics, :) |
| 04:22.35 | jasoncohen | can you use any mirror for apt? |
| 04:22.47 | jasoncohen | lol, i should have done this at school where i get 40 mbit/s |
| 04:22.57 | jasoncohen | only about 6 mbit here |
| 04:23.15 | ethics | net-installer is the way ahead for debian...which is why its on the sarge release (sometime early next month if it doesnt slip) |
| 04:23.22 | IDC | jasoncohen, there is aptspy |
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| 04:23.38 | jasoncohen | IDC: what's that? |
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| 04:23.51 | IDC | jasoncohen, with that tool it can search the available apt source then select the fastest to you then add them in your source.list |
| 04:23.58 | jair_11 | hello everybody, I install sarge using the netinst cd base system |
| 04:23.58 | ethics | jasoncohen, apt can use as many mirrors as you like ...apt-setup has a list of the debian official ones |
| 04:24.19 | IDC | jasoncohen, i remember the name is aptspy ,plus that there are other similar programs do the same job |
| 04:24.27 | ethics | jair_11, hey bud...../cheer |
| 04:24.36 | warg0d | in apt-get, how do i know what packages are installed? |
| 04:24.53 | ethics | IDC: ping 8) always worked for mee |
| 04:24.53 | jair_11 | I install kde and other packages but when I try to halt my machine the wireless minipci stay on and the battery still gething consumed and the fan also still on even after I disconect the power cable. |
| 04:25.14 | jair_11 | ethics, what do you mean? |
| 04:25.15 | ethics | !acpi |
| 04:25.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 04:25.25 | IDC | ethics, but that has limites,with 'ping' that you have to get to know the distination at the first place |
| 04:25.25 | zu22 | !rms |
| 04:25.25 | dpkg | hmm... rms is Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the GNU project, as well as the original author of the GNU C Compiler and GNU Emacs, one hell of a lisp coder. see fsf. or "Join us now and share the software, you'll be free hackers" |
| 04:25.40 | ethics | jair_11, just saying hi back and celebrating that the net installers going good 8) |
| 04:25.42 | jasoncohen | how is apt-get different from the rpm tools like urpmi and yum? I read that it's superior in package management as it has more intelligent package selection and responds better if something goes wrong. is that true? |
| 04:25.47 | jair_11 | ethics, ohh I install the acpi package is installed |
| 04:25.49 | jair_11 | and working |
| 04:25.54 | jair_11 | but maybe not good |
| 04:26.07 | jair_11 | yes I love the netinst |
| 04:26.17 | jair_11 | is like my Jedu sword |
| 04:26.20 | jair_11 | jedi |
| 04:26.25 | IDC | jasoncohen, I love apt-get :) |
| 04:26.26 | jair_11 | jedu/jedi |
| 04:26.49 | jasoncohen | oh...any chance of an easy install for nvidia drivers? |
| 04:26.58 | chealer | jasoncohen: pretty much |
| 04:27.05 | chealer | !tell jasoncohen about nvidia-howto |
| 04:27.20 | jasoncohen | thanks |
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| 04:27.28 | chealer | it's not as easy as if it was free, of course |
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| 04:27.57 | SDFH_Linux | what are you guys running for cpu's? |
| 04:28.00 | IDC | when SSH is established,can i send command 'init 6' to force the server go reboot ? |
| 04:28.06 | jair_11 | I will try to patch and install again the acpi |
| 04:28.06 | jasoncohen | i'll look at that in a bit. I'm currently reading the sarge install howto |
| 04:28.07 | jair_11 | thing |
| 04:28.22 | jasoncohen | IDC: you can do reboot -n |
| 04:28.38 | IDC | okay |
| 04:29.51 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux: 1.6 ghz mobile on my laptop, 2700+ on my mythtv workstation |
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| 04:30.15 | SDFH_Linux | never tried mythtv |
| 04:30.29 | jasoncohen | mythtv.org. i love mythtv |
| 04:30.40 | jasoncohen | i have a 400 GB XFS LVM2 partition devoted to myth |
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| 04:32.19 | SDFH_Linux | if i where to tell you the size of my hd on this test box i think it would bring back memories |
| 04:32.56 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux: realtime commercial skipping that works very well + never having to watch a repeat of a show you've seen + DVD/VCD video support with transcoding + downloading of titles, descriptions/covers from IMDB, music player with visualizations, full mythweb with PHP to view recorded, upcoming recordings with an advanced search feature and a lot more. it's a great app |
| 04:33.15 | jasoncohen | SDFH_Linux: i have 3 160 GB seagates and a 80 GB WD in my workstation |
| 04:33.31 | IDC | I have a 40Gig and a 13Gig :) |
| 04:33.40 | jasoncohen | i should say realtime automatic commercial skipping. I get annoyed when i have to press next to skip :) |
| 04:33.44 | SDFH_Linux | this debian install is running on a 8.4gb maxtor |
| 04:33.46 | IDC | 13GIG for debian server,40GIG for workstation |
| 04:33.49 | TwistedEmotions | I have 600 Gigs... Weeeee I win ;) |
| 04:34.02 | TwistedEmotions | Err... I lied... like 450 |
| 04:34.07 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, in total ? |
| 04:34.08 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions: i win |
| 04:34.09 | SDFH_Linux | and i am only using 52% of it |
| 04:34.17 | TwistedEmotions | havent installed other 250 yet.. |
| 04:34.22 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: yeah |
| 04:34.26 | IDC | haha,i see |
| 04:34.29 | jasoncohen | i have 550 after formatting |
| 04:34.45 | jasoncohen | oh, how is wireless support? |
| 04:35.01 | TwistedEmotions | i have 1 million after I but a optical storage system.. I win. |
| 04:35.02 | jasoncohen | i'm using madwifi with wpa_config which i setup by hand and a bunch of custom init scripts so it starts on boot |
| 04:35.06 | jasoncohen | will this work in debian? |
| 04:35.06 | TwistedEmotions | *buy |
| 04:35.13 | jasoncohen | i have an atheros wg511t |
| 04:35.37 | jasoncohen | is debian the only distro you never have to re-install? |
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| 04:36.13 | TwistedEmotions | why do you need to reinstall debian? |
| 04:36.25 | TwistedEmotions | just purge everything and reinstall. |
| 04:36.36 | IDC | i have done many installing/reinstalling |
| 04:36.37 | Phated | Why do you even need to do that anyway? |
| 04:36.44 | SDFH_Linux | i havent had to |
| 04:36.47 | IDC | But that helped me a lot to get to know debian better |
| 04:36.56 | SDFH_Linux | on any of my debian computers |
| 04:37.06 | TwistedEmotions | why dont you just toss your computer in a bucket of water.. |
| 04:37.13 | IDC | So now i dont really understand why in the DOC it mentions its a challenge to install debian |
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| 04:37.25 | TwistedEmotions | Sorry... dont know where that came from or who it was aimed at... |
| 04:37.26 | jasoncohen | how many packages are in debian testing? |
| 04:37.37 | Phated | !dstats sarge |
| 04:37.46 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15807 packages, 1473 maintainers, 28844 MB installed size, 9191 MB compressed size. |
| 04:37.53 | jasoncohen | this isn't as up to date as other distros? it has newest versions of apache, mysql, gimp, mozilla, firefox (as of yesterday..heh) |
| 04:37.56 | Phated | There. 15807. |
| 04:38.04 | jasoncohen | it's newer than fedora on a lot of things. how is it behind? |
| 04:38.10 | TwistedEmotions | lol... only 30 gigs? Not bad... |
| 04:38.19 | jasoncohen | holy crap! |
| 04:38.21 | useruser | 13 cds? that'll be fun |
| 04:38.28 | jasoncohen | that's 10x larger than fedora core base |
| 04:38.29 | TwistedEmotions | 30 gigs and I can call myself debian.org |
| 04:38.50 | jasoncohen | lol, is their a command to install everything? |
| 04:38.52 | chealer | jasoncohen: not with firefox 1.0.4. distrowatch has this information |
| 04:39.02 | jasoncohen | chealer: i said as of yesterday |
| 04:39.05 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: apt-get install ALL |
| 04:39.06 | jasoncohen | no one has firefox yet |
| 04:39.12 | jasoncohen | *firefox 1.0.4 |
| 04:39.32 | jasoncohen | but fedora had 1.3.0 before the release was anounced on the website..and i had it recompiled for mdk 2005 too :( |
| 04:39.36 | jasoncohen | *:) |
| 04:39.41 | useruser | jasoncohen: install bash-completion then run apt-get install ESC-* |
| 04:39.47 | chealer | jasoncohen: different calendars ;) |
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| 04:39.52 | chealer | or timezones |
| 04:40.03 | jasoncohen | no |
| 04:40.05 | jasoncohen | i was on #gaim |
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| 04:40.14 | TwistedEmotions | useruser: Are you serious? I was kidding... why the hell would anyone install every package? |
| 04:40.22 | jasoncohen | the tar.gz and src rpms were up before the other rpms were bulit |
| 04:40.31 | useruser | TwistedEmotions: i was kidding too. it'd probably make a command line too long for bash to handle |
| 04:40.39 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
| 04:40.43 | jasoncohen | the guy who packages gaim for fedora is a gaim developer |
| 04:41.08 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions: someone that doesn't want to forget anything :( |
| 04:41.22 | chealer | jasoncohen: don't worry, you won't complain about gaim packaging in debian |
| 04:41.29 | TwistedEmotions | LoL... yeah... that would be asking for trouble... |
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| 04:41.39 | nipplesrulz | warning might crash brb if so :) |
| 04:41.46 | jasoncohen | yay...you have gaim-encryption AND gaim-otr which I package for mandrake on the website |
| 04:41.51 | TwistedEmotions | not to mention no more bash completion |
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| 04:42.10 | nipplesrulz | lol |
| 04:42.22 | jasoncohen | there are 1400+ maintainers. that's a lot! |
| 04:42.25 | SDFH_Linux | the other day i got a new gaim from apt-get |
| 04:42.26 | ethics | SDFH_Linux, umm p233 64Mb, p3-500, cele 566 cele 800 amd 1.4gig and a p4-3gig the 755 new chip |
| 04:42.37 | SDFH_Linux | cool |
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| 04:42.39 | chealer | jasoncohen: AND gaim-guifications (that doesn't seem so useful) |
| 04:43.26 | jasoncohen | any stats on the # of debian users? |
| 04:43.37 | gravity | chealer: Huh? |
| 04:43.47 | gravity | I don't handle that, but I know the developer who does |
| 04:43.50 | Belial | ok, anyone willing to help the newbie, just installed debian from FC3 and its dumped me at a promt. I thought i set it up to load KDE at boot, and well... im stuck, i tried startx and gave me an error, looked around for an FAQ or something, nothing appeared, any advice or a resource i should be looking at ? :-/ |
| 04:43.50 | TwistedEmotions | what does gaim-otr do? |
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| 04:44.12 | TwistedEmotions | Wtf is a off the record messaging plugin? |
| 04:44.12 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions: http://www.xelerance.com/mirror/otr/ |
| 04:44.18 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions: read |
| 04:44.28 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh.. |
| 04:44.28 | chealer | gravity: ok |
| 04:44.31 | TwistedEmotions | encryption |
| 04:44.33 | cafuego | jasoncohen: There's probably a few hundred thousand debian users |
| 04:44.37 | TwistedEmotions | duh ;) |
| 04:44.39 | jasoncohen | cafuego: awesome |
| 04:44.52 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions: but it's also deniable - hence off the record |
| 04:44.52 | cafuego | jasoncohen: many of those will be running potato or woody, though. |
| 04:45.07 | jasoncohen | cafuego: for servers? |
| 04:45.17 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: I got it... |
| 04:45.20 | cafuego | jasoncohen: Yes, but also desktop. |
| 04:45.34 | TwistedEmotions | what's your screen name...? lets talk about killing bush... |
| 04:45.34 | jasoncohen | cafuego: why? both are ancient |
| 04:45.48 | cafuego | jasoncohen: Imagine living somewhere that only has 33.6 dialup? |
| 04:45.53 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions: gladly |
| 04:45.54 | jasoncohen | heh |
| 04:46.00 | TwistedEmotions | hehe... |
| 04:46.14 | TwistedEmotions | "User glady not logged on." |
| 04:46.17 | TwistedEmotions | Errrrr.. |
| 04:46.25 | TwistedEmotions | plugin doesnt work.. |
| 04:46.29 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
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| 04:46.48 | jasoncohen | lol, i was joking |
| 04:46.56 | jasoncohen | glad to talk about killing bush i meant |
| 04:47.01 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
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| 04:47.22 | jasoncohen | you installed OTR already...someone should upgrade the deb to 2.0.2 |
| 04:47.38 | zu22 | jasoncohen: you are now on Echylon watch list |
| 04:48.29 | _me_ | Belial: sound like u need to reconfigure your xserver with > xf86config |
| 04:48.36 | ROunofF | Which cds are needed for an installation using testing ? (first only ?) |
| 04:48.44 | Phated | ROunofF: Yes. |
| 04:48.50 | Belial | thats a lot _me_, ill give it a shot :) |
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| 04:49.19 | ROunofF | I guess like last 7 contains sources ? |
| 04:49.32 | Phated | Packages, but you can always install those off the net anyway. |
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| 04:49.54 | chealer | Belial: which error? |
| 04:49.57 | ROunofF | yeah I know that tkx |
| 04:50.00 | ROunofF | have a good nite |
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| 04:50.30 | jasoncohen | zu22: echylon"? |
| 04:50.31 | Belial | x connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown) |
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| 04:51.25 | Belial | urgh, i remember this utility *Goes to look up his monitors specs again |
| 04:52.22 | chealer | !drxx Belial |
| 04:52.23 | dpkg | Belial: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 04:52.42 | _me_ | Belial: yup thats what it is |
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| 04:53.40 | jasoncohen | thanks alll for your help |
| 04:53.48 | omi_ | hey all, does anyone know if freeswan is affected by this ? http://www.niscc.gov.uk/niscc/docs/al-20050509-00386.html?lang=en |
| 04:53.50 | Belial | ok, running that now, thanks :) |
| 04:53.56 | jasoncohen | i'm going to install once i read the howto on sarge net install |
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| 04:55.07 | SDFH_Linux | its easy jasoncohen |
| 04:55.27 | jasoncohen | yup, and i want to read about apt-get too |
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| 04:56.36 | Belial | /dev/psaux That would be a PS2 mouse, or is it going to be ont of the tty ones |
| 04:56.57 | _me_ | thats ps2 |
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| 04:57.28 | Belial | thanks, it did a great job of explaining the difference betweena serial and ps2 mouse etc, didnt mention which was which on the list :) |
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| 04:57.41 | _me_ | ttyS00 and ttys01 are com1 and com2 |
| 04:58.24 | Belial | s for serial im guessing? |
| 04:58.33 | _me_ | yup |
| 04:58.44 | _me_ | big S |
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| 05:00.22 | ethics | cafugo: im on 33.6 dialup 8( |
| 05:00.31 | Azar | modconf helped me pick the right mouse |
| 05:00.37 | cafuego | ethics: Why don't you download 14 Sarge ISOs then? |
| 05:01.21 | zu22 | cafuego: hi |
| 05:01.28 | gargleblaster | ive got epic4 installed at work, and it works fine, but when I run it here a home, it doesnt evaluate colorcodes |
| 05:01.42 | omi_ | how can you change the console to be something like 1024x768 instead of 640x640? |
| 05:01.42 | Belial | :( I got a black flash, then the same error message again |
| 05:01.50 | omi_ | I think it is something about fb |
| 05:02.15 | Belial | new error... "Fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 05:02.29 | Belial | then the x connection to :0.0 broken |
| 05:02.34 | lstar | your X config file |
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| 05:02.58 | chealer | !tell Belial about noscreensfound |
| 05:03.16 | lstar | i think it is not properly configured |
| 05:03.23 | ethics | cafuego: im having trouble just getting the DI iso......it crashed out at 30 MB 3 times 8(...... |
| 05:03.25 | Belial | ohh... thats a cool bot |
| 05:03.29 | Belial | thanks |
| 05:03.42 | Azar | I must admit since I upgraded to sarge the xserver installation and configuration went better than with woody |
| 05:03.51 | lstar | look into the display section |
| 05:03.51 | ethics | cafuego, : im finished it this time tho....good old dependable 33.6 |
| 05:03.53 | chealer | !no screens found |
| 05:03.53 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
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| 05:05.21 | _me_ | most likely the a monitor setting |
| 05:05.30 | lstar | yeah |
| 05:05.31 | Belial | nah, it was that framebuffer question |
| 05:05.37 | Belial | saying no got it :) |
| 05:05.47 | Belial | thanks for all the help |
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| 05:06.33 | ethics | !nv |
| 05:06.33 | dpkg | well, nv is the X4's free video-driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or gForce), the cursed (non-free) one is nvidia, or nv does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX, or however nvidia's drivers do that |
| 05:07.27 | Azar | ..and nvidia drivers will only run with unstable |
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| 05:07.36 | chealer | they won't |
| 05:07.48 | nipplesrulz | arg |
| 05:08.00 | nipplesrulz | what was that command to list how large each drive/folder is? >< |
| 05:08.19 | chealer | df or du |
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| 05:10.37 | lstar | df |
| 05:11.04 | lstar | fdisk -k will do,either |
| 05:11.30 | lstar | sorry,fdisk -l |
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| 05:14.46 | jasoncohen | is there a way to temporarily use a repository without changing source files. For example with yum you can do yum --enablerepo to install from a non-default repo |
| 05:15.02 | peterS | jasoncohen: not that I know of |
| 05:15.05 | jasoncohen | for example if i wanted to update a few packages from unstable or another source |
| 05:15.08 | gravity | jasoncohen: Not that I know of, but that'd be a great feature to add to apt |
| 05:15.22 | skaught | What's the recommended method for a user to disable something like hotplug on boot? It's not available to disable it as an object in debconf (at my level), and I don't want to jump into update-rc.d if that's not the intended method |
| 05:15.24 | jasoncohen | yeah..it's the only thing i like about yum |
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| 05:16.03 | gravity | skaught: Just remove or rename the symlink in /etc/rc.x |
| 05:16.09 | gravity | skaught: X being boot or 2 |
| 05:16.29 | TubaSoldier | in Mandrake and in Red Hat if i want to put a command in so it starts at boot i would put it into the rc.local file. What is the equivalent in Debian? I can't seem to figure it out on my own |
| 05:16.33 | peterS | or remove the hotplug package entirely |
| 05:16.39 | gravity | !rc.local |
| 05:16.39 | dpkg | well, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 05:16.59 | TwistedEmotions | gnite all |
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| 05:18.18 | Azar | hmm I am reading an old page that shows a beginner how to compile a kernel, I wonder if Sarge will require so much work at it as in the old days with woody? Basically compiling a kernel did not change, right? |
| 05:18.38 | gravity | Azar: Why are you compiling your own kernel? |
| 05:18.57 | peterS | Azar: read the docs for the 'kernel-package' package, that's the main thing |
| 05:18.59 | Azar | gravity, for my pure education sake, I use Debian to learn stuff |
| 05:19.09 | jasoncohen | what's the recommended kernel for sarge- 2.6.8? |
| 05:19.22 | peterS | Azar: if you're all about education, a generic kernel compile guide and doing the whole thing *without* kernel-package is probably the ticket |
| 05:19.33 | gravity | Azar: Ah cool. Then check out the kernel-package docs like peterS said. The docs are in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
| 05:19.40 | peterS | jasoncohen: if 2.6.8 works well on your hardware, sure. sarge also ships 2.4.27, which works better for some people |
| 05:20.01 | jasoncohen | i've used 2.6.8 and 2.6.11 in 2005 |
| 05:20.07 | jasoncohen | both work fine |
| 05:20.11 | Azar | peterS I did compile 2 times a kernel, but the guidance I had, was a gentooish one for a good friend, now I want to do it by the Debian book |
| 05:20.32 | Azar | thanks guys |
| 05:21.18 | peterS | jasoncohen: no reason I know of that you can't run something newer than 2.6.8 on sarge, if it works well for you. You can drop a Debian sid kernel straight into sarge, I'm pretty sure |
| 05:22.01 | jasoncohen | peterS: ok, thanks for the info |
| 05:22.23 | jasoncohen | though i'm not sure if a kernel is the right package to be taking from unstable, heh |
| 05:22.56 | gravity | The kernels are generally pretty good, even in unstable |
| 05:23.01 | jasoncohen | ah, ok |
| 05:23.11 | jasoncohen | any idea why openoffice 1.1.4 isn't in unstable? |
| 05:23.16 | jasoncohen | only in experimental |
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| 05:23.24 | gravity | jasoncohen: Probably because of the freeze |
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| 05:23.47 | jasoncohen | didn't only testing freeze? |
| 05:23.48 | gravity | I don't follow what the OO.o guys are doing though... |
| 05:24.03 | gravity | jasoncohen: Yeah, but if they have to upload a fix for something they normally would do it via unstable |
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| 05:24.24 | gravity | It can be done straight in to testing, but it's not the best way to do things |
| 05:24.29 | Azar | good night honorables, and thanks |
| 05:24.52 | gravity | Anyhow, I'm off to bed too |
| 05:24.55 | jasoncohen | unstable already has gaim 1.3- less than a day, not bad |
| 05:25.56 | jasoncohen | any idea if gaim comes with silc support? |
| 05:26.28 | peterS | jasoncohen: g3t ur 0day w4rez h33r |
| 05:27.03 | jasoncohen | um, no- i just like talking on the silc chats at times |
| 05:27.22 | peterS | jasoncohen: by '0day' I was referring to quick sid release times |
| 05:27.25 | jasoncohen | i listen to classical music and i use linux so i have little reason to download warez |
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| 05:27.36 | eskaypey | hey guys |
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| 05:28.08 | jasoncohen | peterS: sorry, i couldn't decipher what you wrote..i was just guessing based on the fact that you said warez |
| 05:28.36 | peterS | jasoncohen: ahh, nah, 0day was the joke there, based on the comment you made about gaim 1.3 |
| 05:28.40 | eskaypey | i can open hotmail and aol but not google and yahoo ?? |
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| 05:29.33 | affff | nee some help for dyndns, any user of the service? |
| 05:29.47 | jasoncohen | guess that's a no on the silc. libsilc is only in unstable |
| 05:30.25 | affff | DynDns, anyone? |
| 05:30.44 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 05:30.45 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 05:30.53 | valdyn | !tell affff about ask |
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| 05:31.32 | affff | anyone uses rundns with dyndns? |
| 05:32.25 | affff | !tell valdyn |
| 05:32.31 | nathan | can anyone tell me how to install identd on debian, and tell me what port it runs on by default? or point me to a howto? |
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| 05:33.28 | dondelelcaro | affff: just ask your question already |
| 05:33.32 | Ry12 | whats the apt command for updating sercurity stuff |
| 05:33.33 | Flimzy | nathan: apt-get install <package name> |
| 05:33.39 | dondelelcaro | Ry12: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; |
| 05:33.48 | Ry12 | k |
| 05:33.52 | dondelelcaro | Ry12: assuming you have a security.debian.org sources.list line, of course. |
| 05:34.05 | eskaypey | nathan: go to google.com and type 'identd howto' you'll see many results |
| 05:34.58 | affff | dondelelcaro, cannot get server to run w rundns and a dyndns hostname. |
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| 05:36.49 | affff | this chatroom is shit! |
| 05:37.09 | eskaypey | haha |
| 05:37.10 | jasoncohen | does synaptic break down packages intelligently by groups to facilitate installation? |
| 05:37.37 | Gnea | jasoncohen: quite well |
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| 05:37.45 | jasoncohen | very nice |
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| 05:38.26 | Gnea | indeed |
| 05:38.34 | jasoncohen | synaptic doesn't even work with apt-get in fedora. It was ported and yet doesn't work with its native system...strange |
| 05:38.35 | nathan | hmm, what port does ident run on? anyone know off the top of there head? or is there a console command to see what daemons are attached to what ports? |
| 05:39.25 | Flimzy | nathan: /etc/services |
| 05:39.25 | Gnea | jasoncohen: sounds like a dependancy error - rpm still has some fundamental issues that seem to be recurring again |
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| 05:39.38 | dumezil | how do i ask dpkg what package contains this file? libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0? |
| 05:39.43 | jasoncohen | hmm, i don't see why fedora used yum. apt-get is still better with rpms than yum. |
| 05:39.44 | Ry12 | i have dual head graphics card with two monitors hookd up. how do i specify which monitor to use in xf86config-4 |
| 05:39.49 | jasoncohen | yum is sloooow |
| 05:39.55 | skaught | dumezil: dpkg -S |
| 05:40.00 | dumezil | nathan: netstat -a -p |
| 05:40.05 | Gnea | dumezil: dpkg -S /path/to/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 05:40.06 | dumezil | but its not installed |
| 05:40.14 | dumezil | i need to install it |
| 05:40.21 | sTone_heAd | dumezil, apt-file |
| 05:40.23 | Gnea | apt-cache search libgtk |
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| 05:40.36 | jasoncohen | Gnea: are rpms and deps that much different other than the priority selection? |
| 05:40.37 | dumezil | returns a bunch of things but none about x11 |
| 05:41.07 | Gnea | jasoncohen: it's about the fundamental code method that the package management systems operate |
| 05:41.19 | Flimzy | Ry12: You don't want to use both? |
| 05:41.25 | Ry12 | nope |
| 05:41.32 | Flimzy | Ry12: why the heck not? |
| 05:41.38 | Ry12 | because i play games |
| 05:41.46 | Flimzy | Ry12: Why bother with dual head if you don't use both heads? |
| 05:41.46 | Ry12 | and it doesnt work wit duel view |
| 05:41.50 | Flimzy | Ry12: And? |
| 05:42.03 | Ry12 | because i want 2 diff x configs when i want to change monitor |
| 05:42.07 | Flimzy | Ry12: I play games, and I have dual head. |
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| 05:42.18 | Gnea | jasoncohen: the lines kind of get blurry there |
| 05:42.20 | Flimzy | Ry12: In fact, gaming is one reason I installed my 2nd vid card... so I can contiue to IM and whatnot while gaming |
| 05:42.20 | dumezil | how do i ask the bot on this channel, dpkg, what package contains this file? libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0? |
| 05:42.27 | Gnea | wooo |
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| 05:42.35 | Gnea | found my audio cable for the tape deck |
| 05:42.35 | maher | dumezil: /msg dpkg find foo |
| 05:42.47 | Ry12 | so do u have to seperate cards |
| 05:42.47 | sussudio | spammy! |
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| 05:42.55 | Flimzy | Ry12: Anyway, the answer to your question is found in the X docs. And on google. |
| 05:43.08 | jasoncohen | Gnea: well, it seems that deps work better as no rpm based distro can reliably allow for a distro upgrade w/o a reinstall |
| 05:43.12 | peterS | Gnea: on *tape*? dude, people who don't have the CDs have it on vinyl |
| 05:43.15 | jasoncohen | they all work sometimes |
| 05:43.27 | Flimzy | Ry12: I have 2 cards... But so do you, as far as your computer is concerned. They're just both on the same physical PCB. |
| 05:43.53 | Gnea | peterS: i've got a bunch of floyd in vinyl, just don't have a player currently.. need to rectify that situation |
| 05:43.55 | maher | jasoncohen: there's no technical reason why not - just most rpm based dists want you to buy some new cds |
| 05:44.00 | peterS | Gnea: ah, ok (: |
| 05:44.12 | Ry12 | it will run slower anyway gaming wit duelhead |
| 05:44.13 | Gnea | peterS: i'll probably get a belt driven first and go for direct-drive later ;) |
| 05:44.18 | jasoncohen | maher: not FC and i read that upgrading from FC2 to FC3 broke a lot |
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| 05:44.36 | Gnea | Ry12: no, depends on the card |
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| 05:44.40 | Flimzy | Ry12: I have a GeForce running my 21" monitor, and a cheap PCI Matrox card I found in the trash running my 15" monitor. |
| 05:44.47 | Flimzy | Ry12: Only if you have a shitty card. |
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| 05:44.52 | Ry12 | 6800 and i notice a difference in windows |
| 05:44.53 | maher | jasoncohen: yeah - but that's nothing to do with the rpm fprmat |
| 05:44.53 | peterS | Gnea: I wasn't spending any money on music until the 90s so I never did get into the whole "vinyl is the one true format" thing |
| 05:45.11 | Flimzy | Ry12: Maybe 6800 is a shitty card... or maybe it's Windows fault. |
| 05:45.19 | Flimzy | Ry12: We all know Windows sucks anyway. |
| 05:45.21 | jasoncohen | maher: but it does seem the rpm package managers just aren't very good |
| 05:45.28 | Gnea | Ry12: i just picked up an agp FX 5500 dual-head (both d-sub with an s-video in between) at best buy the other day... man this card *SCREAMS* |
| 05:45.47 | maher | jasoncohen: do you mean the rpm sw that installs the files or the people who make rpms? |
| 05:45.48 | Ry12 | 6800 is the newest gpu from nvidia |
| 05:45.52 | jasoncohen | maher: you should be able to do an FTP install from the new distro's sources but most of the time it's not recommended as it may cause problems |
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| 05:46.00 | Gnea | Ry12: sad part is, it's only the 'mainstream' version, not the professional version, which i aspire to replace it with someday :) |
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| 05:46.08 | jasoncohen | maher: the rpm package management system like yum or urpmi |
| 05:46.20 | xxy_man | hello! I've just cope to install my wireless pci card, works fine, ndiswrapper is great!! my question: how can I make the wireless config persistent, i.e. which script could configure wlan0 with route & iwconfig etc. on boot? |
| 05:46.22 | Solet | hey if a card has a dsub, a dvi and a tv-composit out, can the tv-composit be used as a third monitor (provided i can find/make an adapter)? |
| 05:46.23 | Flimzy | woot... I have X on my TV now |
| 05:46.28 | Flimzy | now I just need to make it work right! |
| 05:46.29 | maher | jasoncohen: there is no problem with that - its the people who make the rpms don't bother to make it work |
| 05:46.37 | Gnea | Ry12: right but AGP is starting to phase out it seems |
| 05:46.39 | peterS | Solet: depends on the card, I suppose. check your documentation |
| 05:46.40 | jasoncohen | oh, i didn't realize that |
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| 05:47.04 | jasoncohen | maher: so rpms have to be designed so that they can be upgraded en masse with an entire distro? |
| 05:47.11 | Gnea | Solet: i think so, but you'd be limited to something like 800x600 unless you have a seriously high-end tv |
| 05:47.35 | maher | jasoncohen: yum ot whatever should be able to do that if the distro makers bothered to make it work |
| 05:47.41 | skaught | As far as I know, the only equivalent to dist-upgrade on RedHat based systems is to use the installation media to upgrade |
| 05:47.44 | Solet | i'm not gonna put it on a tv, i want to find/make a converter to vga d-sub |
| 05:47.45 | peaceyall | hmm |
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| 05:48.09 | Gnea | Solet: heh, ebay |
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| 05:48.19 | maher | jasoncohen: there's a reason debian releases slower than any other disrto... |
| 05:48.24 | jasoncohen | maher: you think they don't want to because they want you to buy the new distro? |
| 05:48.29 | peterS | jasoncohen: the upgrade problem is a matter of quality of the individual RPMs. they have to be intended to be upgradeable, and tested en masse to work out the problems they cause for each other in upgrade situations. Debian spends a *lot* of time and effort getting this right. most other distributions cut corners |
| 05:48.40 | Solet | peterS: i havent bought it yet, its at http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814164047 |
| 05:48.43 | maher | jasoncohen: partly - partly cos fixing all the bugs is hard and boring |
| 05:48.54 | jasoncohen | maher: so, how can debian do this? |
| 05:49.03 | jasoncohen | it has a massive package base |
| 05:49.11 | peterS | jasoncohen: hard work. lots of hard work. and putting a high priority on smooth upgrades |
| 05:49.12 | maher | jasoncohen: it doesn't release till the bugs are fixed |
| 05:49.14 | jasoncohen | it's nearly 9x larger than fedora's base |
| 05:49.15 | Gnea | jasoncohen: it's not about 'can it', it's about 'it simply does' |
| 05:49.21 | Gnea | jasoncohen: lots of volunteers |
| 05:49.38 | xxy_man | sorry... doesn't anybody know that?! I need just one or two keywords.-> I've just cope to install my wireless pci card, works fine, ndiswrapper is great!! my question: how can I make the wireless config persistent, i.e. which script could configure wlan0 with route & iwconfig etc. on boot? |
| 05:49.39 | Gnea | which is what linux has been about since the beginning |
| 05:49.41 | Trewas | Solet: unless you have some special card it probably can use only two outputs at the same time, besides composite output has soo bad quality you don't want to put that into monitor, or even tv |
| 05:49.45 | maher | jasoncohen: a bunch of packages from testig won't survive to sarge |
| 05:49.47 | nathan_ | debian > all |
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| 05:49.59 | nathan_ | *ignites flame war* |
| 05:50.09 | jasoncohen | why is testing stable? How can a constantly moving target remain stable? |
| 05:50.13 | skaught | nathan_: It probably won't ignite a flame war in here :) |
| 05:50.14 | maher | xxy_man: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:50.23 | xxy_man | :maher: thanks! |
| 05:50.25 | Gnea | xxy_man: part of the wlan package, there's an initscript |
| 05:50.36 | peterS | jasoncohen: debian has a culture of perfectionism when it comes to supporting upgrades from one release to the next. it doesn't just happen. with a lot of other distributions, nobody really expects upgrades to work smoothly, so the vendors don't feel the need to put in that kind of hard work to make it work |
| 05:50.39 | maher | jasoncohen: testing is not stable |
| 05:50.41 | xxy_man | :Gnea: thank you very much! |
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| 05:50.55 | Ry12 | so when sarge becomes stable willl apt remove ubstable packages from my system |
| 05:51.04 | jasoncohen | maher: i've been told it's stable enough for desktop usage |
| 05:51.05 | Solet | trewas: i dont need awesome quality... how would i be able to tell if it can run 3 screens or not? |
| 05:51.07 | maher | Ry12: no |
| 05:51.20 | peterS | Ry12: apt doesn't remove stuff arbitrarily. it only removes stuff if other stuff conflicts with it |
| 05:51.29 | peterS | (or if you ask it to) |
| 05:51.52 | maher | jasoncohen: there is a debian dist called stable - everyone can also have their personal definition of stable enough to use |
| 05:51.55 | jasoncohen | so, when's sarge's expected release date? |
| 05:51.57 | nathan_ | again reinforcing my educated conclusion.... debian > all |
| 05:52.04 | Flimzy | Ry12: More likely, it will upgrade the unstable packages to the stable version (assuming one exists) |
| 05:52.10 | Solet | Ry12: but updating should stabilize unstable packages (if they were fixed and are included in the frozen release |
| 05:52.14 | maher | jasoncohen: real soon now |
| 05:52.17 | Trewas | Solet: IIRC matrox parhelia is the only "normal" card that has three outputs |
| 05:52.20 | Flimzy | (and assuming it knows about it |
| 05:52.21 | Flimzy | ) |
| 05:52.41 | Solet | flimzy: jinx you owe me a coke :P |
| 05:52.41 | Flimzy | jasoncohen: when it's done |
| 05:53.11 | jasoncohen | maher: i guess so, but what's "testing" on other distros is so unusable that you expect major bugs and broken packages that may cause the system to be unuseable. the test releases are only for developers and beta testers on mdk and fedora |
| 05:53.24 | nathan_ | i find sarge (testing) to be amazingly stable for a non mission critical machine, however for mission critical servers i use stable (woody) |
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| 05:53.44 | jasoncohen | is woody the most stable linux distro? |
| 05:53.53 | jasoncohen | should be with all that testing before hand |
| 05:54.06 | Gnea | jasoncohen: yes |
| 05:54.11 | Solet | yeah... i've had no problems with sarge (asside from god damned xscreensaver, but i think thats becasue it doesnt like multihead systems) |
| 05:54.28 | nathan_ | jasoncohen, for an out-of-the-box type solution, yes |
| 05:55.10 | jasoncohen | so- what would compare to stable- something like RH Enterprise Linux or a BSD? |
| 05:55.30 | nathan_ | jasoncohen, some would argue a hand configured slackware box is unbeatable, but id prefer spending the many hours i save setting up a woody box compared to a slackware box worth factoring in |
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| 05:55.55 | Solet | now that sarge is frozen can/will ANY packages be added if some one submits a new one (for example my acx100 wifi installer that i'm not done with)? |
| 05:56.02 | edward_ | ip_conntrack version 2.1 (4094 buckets, 32752 max) - 304 bytes per conntrack <-- how can I increate the max ? |
| 05:56.10 | jasoncohen | i always was ignorant and thought debian and slackware were equally difficult and only for experts |
| 05:56.17 | jasoncohen | until i came here of course |
| 05:56.22 | tarzeau | nn: put your stuff in /var/www |
| 05:56.53 | edward_ | ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. <-- I get this error... |
| 05:56.57 | nathan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.13 | skaught | Sarge will be awesome. |
| 05:57.34 | nathan_ | jasoncohen, just wait until you break an rpm dependancy on a RH box... *shivers* |
| 05:57.46 | jasoncohen | why does debian say that security updates aren't provided for testing immediately:? Wouldn't hte new packages that are constantly added included security patches? |
| 05:58.13 | nathan_ | Solet, yes |
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| 05:58.25 | jasoncohen | nathan_: if you're on RHLE, i doubt that would happen...unless you're a retard and uses atrpms (disgruntled employee perhaps :) |
| 05:58.30 | togs | Having a little trouble with exim4; I can send mail using an external smtp from CLI, but when I try to send mail to the user@domain.com from an external address it doesn't get through |
| 05:58.35 | Phated | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, Solet. |
| 05:58.38 | maher | jasoncohen: stuff doesn't propogate from unstable to testing immediately |
| 05:58.54 | nathan_ | er yeah you where missing the 86 hehe |
| 05:58.58 | jasoncohen | maher: how long does it take for major packages like firefox? |
| 05:59.08 | Solet | nathan_: ah... thanks |
| 05:59.12 | jasoncohen | too bad you can't choose to install some packages from unstable |
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| 05:59.16 | maher | jasoncohen: depends - at least 10 days - testign is frozen now anyway |
| 05:59.44 | skaught | jasoncohen: Why can't you? |
| 05:59.52 | nathan_ | jasoncohen, you can |
| 05:59.55 | maher | jasoncohen: backports.org - or backport them yourself |
| 05:59.55 | jasoncohen | how? |
| 06:00.03 | nathan_ | ^--- |
| 06:00.23 | jasoncohen | i asked TwistedEmotions before and he said he thought you couldn't |
| 06:00.24 | maher | jasoncohen: get the source with apt-get source the dpkg-buildpackage |
| 06:01.00 | maher | jasoncohen: s/the/then/ |
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| 06:01.17 | Solet | colin(:) is the comment character for the x config right? |
| 06:01.32 | Solet | oops nvm its pound |
| 06:01.51 | skawt | whenever i try to install Qtella i get a error message about missing qt-moc |
| 06:02.08 | skawt | but qt is installed =/ |
| 06:02.25 | freewoody | What do I need to setup Exim as a Mail Server for a public domain |
| 06:02.54 | freewoody | By the way, I don't have a domain yet |
| 06:02.54 | togs | freewoody: run :P Having a few probs, meself :) |
| 06:02.59 | jasoncohen | maher: the website says it's mainly for updating stable packages to testing and only in limited cases for testing to unstable |
| 06:03.17 | freewoody | How do I create a MX record for my host ? |
| 06:03.19 | Solet | has anyone with a multi head system ever had problems with monitors that go berzerk when you flip to terminal? |
| 06:03.19 | maher | jasoncohen: what do you want to do? |
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| 06:03.40 | skaught | skawt: I'm guessing that's qt-dev |
| 06:03.53 | jasoncohen | maher: i want unstable packages for some of the most used apps like firefox, gaim, openoffice |
| 06:04.07 | jasoncohen | i want the firefox & gaim security patches immediately |
| 06:04.08 | maher | jasoncohen: rebuild them as i said earlier |
| 06:04.34 | skawt | how would i go about fixing that? im linux illiterate heh :/ |
| 06:04.39 | maher | jasoncohen: or just run an unstable chroot on your stable box |
| 06:05.04 | jasoncohen | an unstable chroot? |
| 06:05.13 | skaught | skawt: How are you trying to install Qtella? |
| 06:05.26 | skawt | tarball then ./configure |
| 06:05.33 | skawt | then i get the missing at-moc thing |
| 06:05.44 | jasoncohen | i was never able to successfully recompile firefox. it's too big and has too many deps. something always seems to fail |
| 06:05.56 | skaught | skawt: apt-get qt-dev |
| 06:06.07 | maher | jasoncohen: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 06:06.15 | jasoncohen | i don't mind recompiling for gaim as i do so currently |
| 06:06.18 | skaught | jasoncohen: Source debs are different, they have build-deps |
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| 06:06.35 | skawt | couldn't find package qt-dev |
| 06:06.45 | jasoncohen | skaught: so do source rpms...but with big packages like rpms- it still doesn't work |
| 06:06.47 | jasoncohen | *like firefox |
| 06:06.58 | skaught | skawt: Sorry, I mean libqt-dev |
| 06:07.00 | jasoncohen | small things like gaim and plugins will compile just fine |
| 06:07.20 | Solet | my xscreensaver works when i am only running one monitor but it doesnt work for my multy monitor |
| 06:07.29 | skaught | jasoncohen: Well, if everyone else can do it, you can manage it too |
| 06:07.44 | Solet | and its on the same install of the same machine, when i comment out all but one monitor it works perfectly |
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| 06:08.05 | Solet | how do you make xscreensaver work fur multihead systems? |
| 06:08.10 | peterS | Solet: check to see if you're using xinerama or not. xscreensaver might well work properly with non-xinerama but not with xinerama, or vice versa |
| 06:08.32 | peterS | Solet: normally you *do* want xinerama. I just don't know if xscreensaver has xinerama-related bugs |
| 06:08.44 | skawt | much appreciated skaught. |
| 06:08.45 | jasoncohen | maher: that chroot setup is really cool. wouldnl't it be easier just to install the unstable rpms on the testing system though? |
| 06:08.54 | skaught | skawt: No worries! |
| 06:08.56 | jasoncohen | change source to unstable, install testing rpms, go back |
| 06:09.11 | skaught | jasoncohen: They're called debs on Debian btw |
| 06:09.18 | skawt | ah wait, it didn't work heh |
| 06:09.23 | Solet | peterS: i dont have xinerama loaded, i read that it messed up the fullscreening of windows |
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| 06:09.38 | jasoncohen | skaught: sorry- i knew that...habit i guess |
| 06:09.42 | bob2 | xscreensaver should work on xinerama |
| 06:09.42 | jasoncohen | i'm used to referring to rpms |
| 06:09.43 | heatxsink | anyone in here ever setup lirc? |
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| 06:09.44 | bob2 | (ie it does) |
| 06:09.54 | bob2 | heatxsink: it's long and painful |
| 06:09.57 | peterS | Solet: depends on the app. xinerama makes the boundaries between different physical displays less visible to the apps, so apps have to know about it specifically in order to do the right thing |
| 06:10.11 | heatxsink | bob2: so you have? |
| 06:10.12 | dondelelcaro | yes, xscreensaver does work on xinerama |
| 06:10.27 | bob2 | heatxsink: yes, it was long and painful |
| 06:10.30 | skawt | skaught, any other ideas? heh |
| 06:10.32 | bob2 | avoid it if at all possible |
| 06:10.45 | Solet | peters: and what do i do if an app i'm running wants to break the shit out of itself by trying to fullscreen on a non square monitor layout? |
| 06:10.54 | maher | jasoncohen: installing unstable stuff on testing will drag in all the unstable deps - you might as well run unstable |
| 06:11.13 | skaught | skawt: You could be missing a number of things, I'm assuming you've installed build-essential |
| 06:11.22 | peterS | Solet: file a bug against the app, I guess. xinerama has been around for at least 3 or 4 years now, apps should know how to use it by now |
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| 06:11.33 | Flimzy | Solet: Xinerama creates a rectangular "desktop" with the potential for dead spots (where there isn't a physical display showing that area) |
| 06:11.42 | skawt | hehe, *whistles* build-essential? :x |
| 06:11.43 | Flimzy | Solet: Some apps will maximize to fill that area |
| 06:12.15 | jasoncohen | so, if you go the chroot option, you can run unstable from within testing? |
| 06:12.23 | Flimzy | Solet: altho now days, many apps are getting good with Xinerama... especially Gnome- or KDE-aware apps, as both Gnome and KDE support (to different extents) Xinerama |
| 06:12.28 | skaught | skawt: It has the compiler plus a few essential build utilities. Since you are compiling software (not simply installing prebuild binaries) you'll need them |
| 06:12.34 | bob2 | jasoncohen: sure |
| 06:12.41 | bob2 | jasoncohen: you can run gentoo from within testing if you want |
| 06:12.43 | Solet | crap... i lost my x config cheat sheet... anyone mind telling me how i set xinerama? |
| 06:12.52 | skawt | could i apt-get it? heh |
| 06:13.02 | Flimzy | Solet: man XF86Config-4 |
| 06:13.04 | bob2 | skawt: of course, just install the build-essential package |
| 06:13.05 | Solet | isnt it like option xinerama true or something? |
| 06:13.08 | jasoncohen | bob2: heh, nuts |
| 06:13.10 | Flimzy | Solet: That's the definative cheat sheet |
| 06:13.22 | skawt | so apt-get install build-essential |
| 06:13.22 | skawt | ? |
| 06:13.31 | jasoncohen | so i could have testing in F7 and unstable in F8 - both with X? |
| 06:13.33 | bob2 | well, the man page is not that useful if you want to know *how* to do something |
| 06:13.38 | bob2 | jasoncohen: of course |
| 06:13.43 | bob2 | skawt: if you use apt-get normally, yeah |
| 06:14.10 | Solet | flimzy: mine was better layed out it showed almost every possable flag and a description... it was like a very well commented xf86config-4 file... with breaks for explination |
| 06:14.23 | skawt | i do, yea... but it said some crap about gnome whenever i tried to apt-get it heh |
| 06:14.33 | jasoncohen | bob2: that's amazing |
| 06:14.45 | Flimzy | Solet: Last I checked, the man page does all that, too. |
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| 06:14.53 | jasoncohen | sounds like vmware without the pricetag |
| 06:14.53 | bob2 | jasoncohen: the magic of unix |
| 06:14.54 | Flimzy | Solet: In any case, the Xinerama option is very simple, and it is described in the man page. |
| 06:15.09 | jasoncohen | anyone here actually run unstable? |
| 06:15.16 | bob2 | jasoncohen: lots of people do |
| 06:15.17 | Solet | yeah i found it... and my guess that i remembered was correct minus som quotes |
| 06:15.19 | skaught | jasoncohen: I do on my workstation, yes |
| 06:15.25 | dumezil | how can i delete a file name -9 ? |
| 06:15.33 | jasoncohen | skaught: it's stable enough to work use for a workstation? |
| 06:15.40 | bob2 | jasoncohen: the reason it's so strongly discouraged here is because newbies go "OMG UNSTABLE? I WANNA RUN THAT!!?!!11" and then whine when it fucks up |
| 06:15.50 | jasoncohen | ah |
| 06:15.50 | Solet | it wont even start x now |
| 06:15.52 | dumezil | somehow i got a file on my system that has a name (w/o quotes) "-9"... how do i delete? |
| 06:16.04 | bob2 | jasoncohen: but tens of thousands of people run it with no problems |
| 06:16.05 | maher | dumezil: rm -- -9 |
| 06:16.13 | bob2 | if you're new to Debian, I certainly wouldn't recommend it, though |
| 06:16.16 | Solet | "fatal server error: could not create connection block info" |
| 06:16.17 | maher | dumezil: as desscribed in man rm |
| 06:16.27 | dumezil | very good thank you... |
| 06:16.40 | jasoncohen | bob2: yeah- i am always shocked that newbs immediately ask to use the testing version of both MDK and fedora when they don't even know how to change users let alone debug a test distro |
| 06:16.50 | bob2 | right, same deal |
| 06:16.56 | jasoncohen | and those are really unstabler |
| 06:16.58 | mrcheeks | jasoncohen:very true |
| 06:16.58 | jasoncohen | *unstable |
| 06:17.07 | jasoncohen | like- won't boot unstable |
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| 06:17.36 | skawt | ok so what should i do to fix this qt-moc error? |
| 06:18.36 | jasoncohen | any way to find out when a package was added to a repo? |
| 06:18.43 | jasoncohen | i want to see how long it took to add firefox 1.0.3 |
| 06:19.01 | Ry12 | has anyone here got cedega to work with sarge |
| 06:19.12 | bob2 | packages.qa.debian.org/mozilla-firefox or so |
| 06:19.16 | bob2 | Ry12: #cedega |
| 06:19.45 | Solet | can some one tell me what this means: "PanoramiX error: Incompatible screens. No common visuals \n\n Fatal server error:\n could not create connection block info" |
| 06:20.25 | jasoncohen | interesting- 1.0.4 is already in unstable |
| 06:20.51 | jasoncohen | with critical as the rating |
| 06:21.08 | bob2 | well, it had security fixes |
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| 06:21.13 | bob2 | hopefully it'll get into sarge |
| 06:21.17 | peterS | Solet: "no common visuals" refers to the 5 or so different types of color depth visuals you can have in the X Window System. not all apps support all visual modes. not all X server configurations do either. |
| 06:21.28 | skawt | help? por favor? heh |
| 06:21.51 | jasoncohen | bob2: the dates are only for unstable |
| 06:21.54 | jasoncohen | http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mozilla-firefox.html |
| 06:22.04 | Solet | peterS: they are all 24bit depth |
| 06:22.12 | jasoncohen | i could just check on the ftp server as there's a date that a package is posted. anyone have the URL for that? |
| 06:22.12 | peterS | Solet: so for example if your app only knows how to work with a PseudoColor visual, and you tell XFree86 to use more than 256 colors, XFree86 won't offer a PseudoColor visual and your app is SOL |
| 06:22.13 | bob2 | skawt: how can anyone help with a question like " ok so what should i do to fix this qt-moc error?"? |
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| 06:22.31 | skawt | must not have been paying attention, heh. |
| 06:22.49 | skawt | whenever i try to install Qtella i get a error message about missing qt-moc... i can give you the actual error if you'd like. |
| 06:22.51 | bob2 | skawt: have you read /usr/share/doc/libqt3-mt-dev/README.Debian yet? |
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| 06:23.01 | lehel | hello |
| 06:23.02 | bob2 | or have you not yet installed qt? |
| 06:23.04 | peterS | Solet: this is one issue where XFree86 offers very limited options. the SGI X server on IRIX gives you a buttload of them so your app can use whatever its little heart desires |
| 06:23.24 | skawt | qt is install, but i can't find anything about any moc on my computer. |
| 06:23.33 | skawt | man all i want is something to download with hehe. |
| 06:23.34 | bob2 | so |
| 06:23.40 | bob2 | you didn't install libqt3-mt-dev yet |
| 06:23.48 | skawt | let me see |
| 06:24.04 | Solet | oh crap.... i just looked and one of my screens is 24 depth and the other 2 are 16 bit... ist that the source of the problem you think? |
| 06:24.08 | skawt | heh, apparently not :p |
| 06:24.22 | bob2 | well, you'll need the library installed if you plan to use it |
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| 06:24.46 | skawt | well now thats installed but i still get the same error |
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| 06:24.59 | peterS | Solet: don't know. so I guess you're not using xinerama? if you were, the bit depths would all be identical |
| 06:25.01 | bob2 | did you read the file I told you to read yet? |
| 06:25.02 | streuner | skawt: does the app have a name? |
| 06:25.13 | skawt | Qtella |
| 06:25.17 | bob2 | "qtella" |
| 06:25.19 | bob2 | !+info qtella |
| 06:25.21 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:25.22 | dpkg | Package 'qtella' does not exist. |
| 06:25.42 | skawt | it a p2p program |
| 06:25.47 | Solet | peterS then thats my problem, because i didnt know that the depths needed to be identical |
| 06:25.48 | streuner | qtella existed some time ago in debian and its a bitch to compile... |
| 06:26.06 | peterS | Solet: from what I understand of how xinerama works, it forces this, yeah |
| 06:26.06 | Solet | *trying again with identical depths* |
| 06:26.34 | skawt | anyone know of a good p2p program then? heh |
| 06:26.42 | Solet | peterS: i only have one option in my screen section for each screen... so it cant force it to something that i didnt let it have as an option |
| 06:26.51 | lehel | i have a 2.4.27-1-386 ... how can i change simply to 2.4.27-2-686? |
| 06:26.52 | skawt | limewire gives me a java error, and java is installed so i dont know. |
| 06:26.57 | peterS | Solet: ah, ok |
| 06:27.24 | Ry12 | has mozilla unstable been security patched yet |
| 06:27.40 | bob2 | lehel: install it... |
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| 06:27.44 | Solet | wow... xinerama doesnt put the login dialog on my primary screen... it puts it off to the furthest left... thats goofy |
| 06:27.53 | bob2 | Ry12: why don't you check? packages.qa.debian.org/mozilla-browser |
| 06:28.01 | Solet | and its ignoring my primary screen... |
| 06:28.13 | peterS | Solet: the login dialog is normally centered across the whole root window. if it's not xinerama-aware, this will mean centered across multiple physical displays |
| 06:28.24 | peterS | Solet: which login dialog are you using? |
| 06:28.32 | Ry12 | them guys in #cedega are noobs |
| 06:28.39 | lehel | bob2: and then remove the 386 ? |
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| 06:28.50 | bob2 | lehel: sure |
| 06:28.54 | Solet | peterS: what ever gnome's default is |
| 06:28.56 | bob2 | Ry12: then talk to transgaming |
| 06:29.05 | bob2 | Ry12: you gave them money, presumably they should give you support |
| 06:29.06 | lehel | bob2: how? ;) |
| 06:29.06 | peterS | Solet: ok, that would be gdm |
| 06:29.18 | togs | I've got exim4 with courier set up to the point where I get a login box on thunderbird, but I can't get any further then that - "login failed" message. |
| 06:29.21 | bob2 | lehel: how do you normally remove packages? |
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| 06:29.44 | lehel | bob2: with dselect :(.. |
| 06:29.52 | bob2 | then use that |
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| 06:30.18 | lehel | isn't exist a command? dpkg.. or something to install all the packages for 686? |
| 06:30.19 | caojun | bob2: how do you do that ? |
| 06:30.20 | togs | when I try to telnet I type in the login stuff and get the error "NO STARTTLS REQUIRED" |
| 06:30.28 | Solet | peterS: i found the problem tho.. i changed the depth of the primary monitor back to 16 but i didnt set the default depth, so it killed the primary and put the login on the next one in the config file |
| 06:30.37 | bob2 | caojun: do what? |
| 06:30.39 | bob2 | lehel: no |
| 06:30.54 | peterS | Solet: oh, I see. yeah, I thought gdm was supposed to be xinerama-aware |
| 06:30.55 | caojun | remove pkg |
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| 06:31.13 | bob2 | togs: ... whatever you're connecting to expects TLS |
| 06:31.20 | jasoncohen | where are the deps located on the ftp server? |
| 06:31.31 | bob2 | you mean .debs |
| 06:31.33 | peterS | jasoncohen: what do you mean? |
| 06:31.34 | jasoncohen | i have found some in ftp.debian.org/debian/pool |
| 06:31.35 | bob2 | in the pool directory |
| 06:31.36 | lehel | bob2: could you tell me aproximatly how many packages there are for to remove? |
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| 06:31.43 | togs | oky |
| 06:31.45 | bob2 | lehel: I don't know what you mean |
| 06:31.45 | Solet | ok i dont think i like this, it streches my wallpaper, and i dont have my panels on the other 2 screens... |
| 06:31.55 | Ry12 | can u apt-get a glib with bigger pthreads |
| 06:31.56 | jasoncohen | yeah- debs. excuse my stupid mixups with rpm, dep and deb |
| 06:31.57 | peterS | jasoncohen: right, in the pool directory, indexed by source package name. see 'apt-cache show packagename | grep Filename' |
| 06:31.58 | caojun | bob2, yes |
| 06:32.15 | bob2 | Ry12: no, that would be sily |
| 06:32.17 | Solet | does xinerama have a config file anywhere? or even better, a config dialog? |
| 06:32.19 | jasoncohen | peterS : and are those for unstable for testing? |
| 06:32.25 | bob2 | caojun: using apt like you did yo install them |
| 06:32.31 | bob2 | caojun: apt-get remove whatever |
| 06:32.32 | peterS | jasoncohen: yes, for experimental, unstable, testing, and stable |
| 06:32.35 | lehel | how much i have to press "-" in the dselect... dosn't matter |
| 06:33.04 | lehel | bob2: it worth? to change 386 > 686? |
| 06:33.04 | caojun | yes , i know ,i want know how about you do this thing ? |
| 06:33.10 | bob2 | lehel: not really |
| 06:33.15 | peterS | Solet: the config file is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:33.19 | bob2 | caojun: I don't understand your question, sorry |
| 06:33.46 | caojun | bob2, because my english is very pool , sorry ! |
| 06:33.48 | jasoncohen | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/ - they all seem to be the same version for different architectures |
| 06:34.14 | bob2 | jasoncohen: yes |
| 06:34.21 | peterS | jasoncohen: is that a statement or a question? |
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| 06:34.32 | lehel | bob2: ok!.. then i'll do nothing ;p.. anyway thanks Bob! |
| 06:34.33 | Solet | peterS: can xinerama be forced to look like it did before i turned it on (ie every screen gets its panels, and it doesnt strech the fuck out of my wallpaper)? |
| 06:34.34 | caojun | bob2, i mean, except apt-get remove ,which command you use , |
| 06:34.35 | bob2 | jasoncohen: the mtime will not change when it becomes part of sarge |
| 06:34.40 | bob2 | caojun: I use aptitude |
| 06:35.07 | peterS | Solet: that's not xinerama, that's your apps, like whatever app loads your background image and draws your panels |
| 06:35.43 | jasoncohen | bob2: i'm confused. I thought the pool directory included debs for experimental, unstable, testing and stable. It seems like this only includes one version in multiple architectures |
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| 06:35.54 | peterS | Solet: the app that loads the background image should know enough about xinerama to offer you an option to tile your image and only stretch it across *one* screen at a time. if it doesn't offer this option, I guess it's not feature-complete |
| 06:36.08 | jasoncohen | as there's one 1.0.3 package in i386 |
| 06:36.19 | bob2 | jasoncohen: then presumably there's only one version in all of Debian |
| 06:36.35 | peterS | jasoncohen: why don't you check http://packages.debian.org/mozilla-firefox ? |
| 06:36.37 | Ry12 | what is the uid permission number to mount a fs for all users |
| 06:36.57 | bob2 | jasoncohen: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=mozilla-firefox |
| 06:37.02 | bob2 | jasoncohen: which is the case, it seems |
| 06:37.24 | jasoncohen | bob2: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mozilla-firefox.html |
| 06:37.35 | jasoncohen | apparently the source for 1.0.4 has been accepted but no binaries are complete |
| 06:37.42 | ancein | is the "contrib" direcotry 'free' as defined by the free software movement? aside from linking w/non-free libraries? |
| 06:37.48 | Solet | hrm... i use the gnome control center |
| 06:37.54 | peterS | ancein: yes |
| 06:37.55 | bob2 | jasoncohen: that gets updated when the package is uploaded |
| 06:38.04 | bob2 | jasoncohen: the archive on ftp.d.o is updated once daily |
| 06:38.11 | ancein | peterS: thanks. |
| 06:38.21 | Solet | and it doesnt appear to like putting the wallpaper on each screen seperately... |
| 06:38.23 | jasoncohen | so, it'll be available tomorrow? |
| 06:38.41 | bob2 | jasoncohen: well, whenever katie rune |
| 06:38.42 | peterS | jasoncohen: the binary for at least one architecture will be available tomorrow, yes |
| 06:38.51 | bob2 | I think that's like 1900 texas time |
| 06:39.15 | bob2 | jasoncohen: until then, it'll be on http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 06:39.17 | peterS | jasoncohen: which architecture that will be depends on which architecture the mozilla uploader built his package on. autobuilders usually lag behind, though sometimes only by a few hours, so there might be multiple architectures of it by then |
| 06:39.29 | bob2 | as each architecture builds it, it will show up there 15 minutes after upload |
| 06:41.02 | jasoncohen | ok |
| 06:41.50 | Flimzy | What's the best sub-$50 video card I can get with Linux support? |
| 06:41.58 | Flimzy | (to replace a GeForce 4 440 MX) |
| 06:42.08 | jasoncohen | i suppose it would be kind of stupid for me to install an entire unstable distro just to have a few packages immediately after they're updated. I think i'll go with testing and just rebuild gaim & install the firefox official build |
| 06:42.53 | jasoncohen | is there a howto for rebuilding debs? I know how to build rpms from source and from a source rpm already. |
| 06:42.55 | peterS | jasoncohen: sarge and sid haven't diverged all that much yet. a lot of sid packages will drop right into a sarge system. before you bother to rebuild stuff you should try it anyway |
| 06:43.01 | mulder | how long does it take for debian usually to incorporate updates to their packages. eg. firefox 1.0.4 or gaim 1.3.0 |
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| 06:43.25 | jasoncohen | peterS: will they diverge more in the future? |
| 06:43.27 | bosstime | Hello debian |
| 06:43.33 | peterS | jasoncohen: but rebuilding a deb mainly involves 'apt-get build-dep packagename' as root, 'apt-get source packagename' as non-root, 'cd packagename-version' and 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b' as non-root |
| 06:43.37 | peterS | jasoncohen: certainly they will |
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| 06:44.03 | streuner | http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=mozilla-firefox&searchon=names&version=all&release=all |
| 06:44.21 | bosstime | I just replaced my old monitor with a new one. Just plugged it in. Things look ok, but I remember that in the old days this was a big deal. Is there anything I need to do to tell Debian about this hardware change? |
| 06:44.22 | peterS | jasoncohen: I should mention that you also want to install the packages 'build-essential', 'fakeroot' and 'dpkg-dev' |
| 06:44.36 | jasoncohen | aren't testing and unstable continually updated? why would they diverge? |
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| 06:44.43 | mulder | wow lol, ubuntu are even further behind |
| 06:44.48 | peterS | jasoncohen: because testing will soon become stable, and unstable won't |
| 06:45.05 | streuner | besides, 1.0.4 is avaiable at mozilla.org |
| 06:45.07 | bob2 | well |
| 06:45.13 | bob2 | testing will continue to be updated |
| 06:45.16 | bob2 | but sarge will not |
| 06:45.20 | peterS | right, right |
| 06:45.25 | streuner | true |
| 06:45.34 | jasoncohen | yeah...but if i continue on testing it won't diverge, right? |
| 06:45.41 | bob2 | well |
| 06:45.42 | mulder | yes, but it's easier just to apt-get it |
| 06:45.43 | bob2 | it varies |
| 06:45.59 | bob2 | like when glibc was broken for a long time, nothing went from sid to sarge for about 6 months |
| 06:46.01 | peterS | jasoncohen: right. it won't diverge permanently. sometimes it diverges a little for one reason or another |
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| 06:46.19 | Solet | whats the command for resuming stopped processes? |
| 06:46.28 | peterS | Solet: 'fg' or 'bg' |
| 06:47.10 | Solet | ok... i was thinking 'gt' for some reason and was.... i cant thing with out caffine :( |
| 06:47.32 | jasoncohen | peterS: when you say to just try the unstable version first before rebuilding..that can only be done by editing the apt-get sources file, installing the new unstable version and changing the sources file back, correct? |
| 06:47.35 | jbmigel | well thats it ive tried all the distros out there and i have decided debian is the bestest... good job debian d00ds! |
| 06:47.53 | peterS | jasoncohen: yeah, or just downloading the unstable version directly with a web browser, that's what I generally do |
| 06:48.18 | jasoncohen | ok |
| 06:48.30 | jasoncohen | heh, apt-get needs an --enablerepo function |
| 06:49.27 | peterS | jasoncohen: you *can* set up sources.list to include a bunch of things including unstable, then use /etc/apt/preferences to arbitrate what to pull down by default (which you can override at the command line) |
| 06:49.38 | peterS | jasoncohen: however, this is annoying and error-prone so I don't bother |
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| 06:50.40 | jbmigel | jasoncohen i think you can go apt-get -t unstable blahblahblah for that |
| 06:50.53 | bosstime | jaa |
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| 06:51.10 | jasoncohen | jbmigel: what's the t for? |
| 06:51.15 | peterS | jbmigel: only if you do as I said, or equivalent |
| 06:51.33 | peterS | jasoncohen: amazingly, apt-get has a manpage |
| 06:51.52 | jbmigel | t = target release but peterS is right you have to set up your sources for it |
| 06:52.20 | jasoncohen | sorry peter. i already have about 20 firefox tabs open with the other debian stuff i'm looking through. i should have searched before asking though. |
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| 06:52.37 | jasoncohen | peterS: how error prone is that method you suggested? |
| 06:52.58 | peterS | jasoncohen: it looks as though you can do all this without messing with the infamous /etc/apt/preferences. just put a line in /etc/apt/apt.conf: APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 06:53.18 | peterS | jasoncohen: with that line, you can then have both testing and unstable in sources.list and it'll pull from testing unless you specify "-t unstable" to apt-get |
| 06:53.37 | peterS | jasoncohen: if you don't have that, it'll grab the highest package version it can find, which'll usually be unstable |
| 06:53.37 | jasoncohen | awesome. that's exactly what i want to do. Thanks! |
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| 06:53.52 | Solet | is there a terminal based image viewer? |
| 06:54.08 | bob2 | ... |
| 06:54.10 | jbmigel | 0.O |
| 06:54.19 | bob2 | one that uses the framebuffer, one that uses curses or one that uses X? |
| 06:54.33 | peterS | Solet: apt-cache search aalib image viewer |
| 06:54.35 | jasoncohen | peterS: wait, if you just do apt-get install, it will install the latest package version rather than the one from testing? Doesn't that defeat the point? |
| 06:54.46 | peterS | Solet: it tells me 'caca-utils' which I have never heard of |
| 06:55.11 | jasoncohen | or did you mean if you don't have the "APT:Default-Release "testing" |
| 06:55.17 | peterS | jasoncohen: with APT::Default-Release set, it will install the highest package version that comes from a distribution called 'testing'. without it, it'll find the highest package version period |
| 06:55.30 | Solet | caca being a jamacan term for 'shit' if i remember correctly... |
| 06:55.35 | jasoncohen | ah, ok. great |
| 06:55.36 | Vince34 | lol , caca-utils is soooo funny in french |
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| 06:55.48 | jasoncohen | i'll save that in a text file so i remember |
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| 06:56.01 | Solet | my problem is i can see the file i'm trying to get to in terminal, but when i try to open it in gimp it doesnt show it to me... |
| 06:56.14 | Solet | when i type the direct path it says file doesnt exist |
| 06:56.15 | peterS | Solet: French and Spanish have similar meanings for the word. I don't know if the developers of libcaca named it so on purpose, although I suspect they did. it's an acronym but looks pretty contrived |
| 06:57.28 | jasoncohen | peterS, bob2 and jbmigel : thanks for the help and for putting up with my questions. |
| 06:57.30 | takatumi | either way is it shitty or is it just shitty sarcasm? |
| 06:57.36 | bob2 | you're welcome |
| 06:57.41 | Solet | the file i'm trying to get at is /usr/share/desktop-base/debblue-1600x1200.png |
| 06:58.52 | apolonio | hi, somebody know about a software like cisco works .... but open source for manage and view the topology of a red |
| 06:59.08 | takatumi | red? |
| 07:00.08 | bip | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.15 | apolonio | yep |
| 07:00.20 | apolonio | like ... nino |
| 07:00.22 | bip | lemme check ... |
| 07:00.40 | bip | there is some gpl stuf that does that ... |
| 07:00.45 | apolonio | red = network |
| 07:00.47 | apolonio | 0ja0ja0j0jaa0j0ja |
| 07:01.06 | jasoncohen | i don't see mcedit. Is there an mcedit deb in testing? it's a pretty common text editor for the terminal |
| 07:01.27 | jasoncohen | nevermind- it's part of midnight commander |
| 07:01.29 | takatumi | what's the right way to stop ttyrec? |
| 07:01.59 | bip | google fo tkined apolonio |
| 07:02.18 | bip | i have just checked in an o reilly book ... |
| 07:02.30 | bip | semms like it does what you need apolonio |
| 07:02.36 | peterS | Solet: Spanish. 'red' means 'network' |
| 07:03.19 | bip | yeah sounds like italian ... |
| 07:03.21 | Solet | quel etrange :P |
| 07:03.27 | peterS | ouais |
| 07:03.29 | bip | im italian rete = net |
| 07:03.31 | Flimzy | Do you speak Spanish, peterS? |
| 07:03.37 | Flimzy | Or just know a couple words? |
| 07:03.38 | bip | red = rete |
| 07:03.48 | peterS | Flimzy: no. I once caught a lot of flak for not knowing that little fact, though, so I've since remembered it |
| 07:04.01 | Flimzy | peterS: I see |
| 07:04.10 | caojun | 'red'meanu'network' hehe |
| 07:04.15 | bip | what about thank you , gracias ... |
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| 07:04.23 | bip | grazie apolonio ;-) |
| 07:04.33 | bip | <--- isn a bot |
| 07:04.37 | bip | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:04.51 | peterS | Flimzy: I was criticising the heaps of linux distributions that use 'color noun' as their name, in imitation of red hat. red flag linux, blue cat linux, etc. I mistakenly included 'red escolar' in that list. in reality this is Spanish for "school network" and was a project for linux in schools in Mexico |
| 07:04.58 | bip | <---- real human, with feelings ;-) |
| 07:05.04 | john | what's the command to switch from x to console? |
| 07:05.08 | john | f7? or something. |
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| 07:05.25 | peterS | john: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 07:05.30 | bip | alt control f7 |
| 07:05.42 | bip | peterS, was quicker |
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| 07:06.51 | takatumi | is it possible to record a screen session with ttyrec? (or with some other tool) want to make a demo. |
| 07:07.15 | Solet | how do you change file permissions? |
| 07:07.22 | skaught | Solet: chmod |
| 07:07.23 | peterS | chown, chmod |
| 07:07.23 | bob2 | Solet: chmod |
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| 07:07.36 | Solet | wow... |
| 07:07.49 | Solet | that was... floody |
| 07:08.09 | skaught | Solet: You should ask harder questions then ;) |
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| 07:08.32 | Solet | skaught: i have... i still got em stumped on one... |
| 07:08.49 | skaught | Solet: Which one's that? |
| 07:09.19 | Solet | how do i set up a multi head system in which the primary monitor is centered directly above the 2 lower monitors which are side by side |
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| 07:09.38 | _me_ | anyone know how to configure a serial mouse on debian |
| 07:09.42 | Solet | there's no way to do it, i can get them all to display correctly but the mouse doesnt move between them correctly |
| 07:09.47 | Flimzy | _me_: Yup |
| 07:09.47 | jasoncohen | will critical updates be applied to sarge even though it's frozen? |
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| 07:10.01 | Flimzy | Solet: I don't know if that's possible in X |
| 07:10.03 | bob2 | _me_: there's nothing to configure. tell X to use it in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. enjoy. |
| 07:10.04 | streuner | _me_: use mdetect |
| 07:10.08 | bob2 | jasoncohen: sure |
| 07:10.08 | Solet | _me_ mdetect |
| 07:10.14 | _me_ | k |
| 07:10.41 | peterS | Flimzy: it's possible in SGI X servers. (: quite possibly not in XFree86 |
| 07:10.56 | Flimzy | peterS: I stand corrected |
| 07:10.57 | Solet | Flimzy: why would x be written to not allow this? |
| 07:10.58 | jasoncohen | bob2: what about "high" priority packages? |
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| 07:11.10 | skaught | Solet: "X" doesn't disallow it |
| 07:11.15 | Flimzy | Solet: Until relatively recently, XFree86 didn't allow more than one monitor at all. |
| 07:11.27 | bob2 | jasoncohen: anything going to sarge needs manual approval; I'm sure the release team will quickly deal with security issues. |
| 07:11.27 | karsten | Flimzy: Define "relatively recently". |
| 07:11.31 | Solet | ok "xfree86" |
| 07:11.33 | Flimzy | Solet: The direct answer to your question, though, would be "Becuase you haven't written it that way" |
| 07:11.47 | jasoncohen | good |
| 07:11.57 | Flimzy | karsten: I dunno... I've been using Linux for a long time... so my perception is often different than that of the "general population" |
| 07:11.59 | Solet | flimzy: what 'it' needs rewritten? |
| 07:12.40 | karsten | Flimzy: I strongly suspect dual-head X goes back a long time, considering graphics work done on it. Xinerama and related in Linux were available late 1990s at least. |
| 07:13.01 | Flimzy | karsten: dual-head Xfree86 didn't exist when I first used it, AFAIK |
| 07:13.10 | Flimzy | karsten: B/c I remember reading about ppl hacking it to make that work |
| 07:13.10 | karsten | Flimzy: "dual head" xfree86 in google groups might be illuminating. |
| 07:13.21 | peterS | dual-head XFree86 was new with XFree86 4.0, I believe. I could be wrong |
| 07:13.22 | karsten | Flimzy: I'd pin it around 1998/99. |
| 07:13.33 | Flimzy | karsten: I began using XFree86 in 96. |
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| 07:13.46 | karsten | Flimzy: 1997 here. |
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| 07:13.48 | Flimzy | karsten: So like I said... my perception may be off a bit |
| 07:13.56 | john | how can you start the sshd if it's off? |
| 07:14.05 | Solet | Flimzy: so how do i make it work? |
| 07:14.08 | peterS | john: invoke-rc.d ssh start |
| 07:14.24 | peterS | Solet: it is somewhat easier to offset the frame buffer by whole monitor widths and heights than to arbitrary coordinates |
| 07:14.25 | Flimzy | Solet: You probably don't. |
| 07:14.32 | _me_ | says /dev/ttyS0 microsoft but it still dun move |
| 07:14.41 | karsten | john: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 07:15.08 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: The Relative option in XF86Config-4 *might* do what you want. You'll have to RTFM, and probably trial-and-error to see, tho. |
| 07:15.17 | Flimzy | blah |
| 07:15.20 | peterS | Solet: *overlapping* frame buffers for a single root window are particularly challenging - I'd be surprised if XFree86 supported that at all. it *might* support nonoverlapping frame buffers at arbitrary coordinates. last time I tried it I had no luck, but that was several years ago |
| 07:15.24 | Flimzy | Solet: The Relative option in XF86Config-4 *might* do what you want. You'll have to RTFM, and probably trial-and-error to see, tho. |
| 07:16.21 | peterS | (overlapping frame buffers was one really cool feature of the SGI Octane graphics system and X server, as I recall) |
| 07:16.44 | _me_ | streuner: /dev/ttyS0 microsoft but it still dun move |
| 07:16.47 | Flimzy | overlapping fbs, meaning the same area is displayed on multiple terminals? |
| 07:16.52 | Flimzy | s/terminals/displays/ |
| 07:17.11 | peterS | Flimzy: yep. or multiple projectors in the installation I'm thinking of. for a video wall |
| 07:17.14 | Solet | the layout i'm going for is to match this photo: http://soletscripts.com/Image010.jpg |
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| 07:17.30 | streuner | _me_: Have you edited /etc/XFConfig-4 yet? |
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| 07:17.34 | Flimzy | peterS: Ah. I can see how that would be cool. |
| 07:17.43 | KerPlunk | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 07:17.46 | streuner | _me_: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 07:17.51 | _me_ | nope |
| 07:17.54 | KerPlunk | Is the mplayer plugin for sarge not in the repository in my sources.list? |
| 07:17.59 | _me_ | will do now |
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| 07:18.04 | KerPlunk | Do I need to add something else to my sources.list? |
| 07:18.20 | peterS | Flimzy: it required an intermediate video mixing system (a PC with custom IO boards) that faded out each display at the edges. you had to adjust this manually and very painstakingly, but if you got it right you had an absolutely seamless, err, seam |
| 07:18.32 | karsten | Flimzy: Dual head available for some drivers as early as Oct 9 1994. |
| 07:19.38 | karsten | Flimzy: http://tinyurl.com/cb8va |
| 07:20.00 | karsten | !tell KerPlunk about marillat |
| 07:20.03 | Flimzy | karsten: Interesting |
| 07:20.15 | KerPlunk | karsten: I have marillat added. |
| 07:20.28 | KerPlunk | KerPlunk deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 07:20.30 | KerPlunk | scroll up |
| 07:20.53 | karsten | KerPlunk: Er, *which* mplayer plugin? |
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| 07:21.13 | KerPlunk | karsten: I don't have any mplayer plugins listed with apt-cache search mplayer |
| 07:21.25 | simple_ | anybody wanna help with knoppix 3.8 intel 915vg chip sound hardware stuff for a newb? |
| 07:21.27 | KerPlunk | I just want to watch movies with firefox |
| 07:21.35 | skaught | KerPlunk: This is after you performed an apt-get update right? |
| 07:21.36 | simple_ | i like long walks in the park and dogs if that matters |
| 07:21.41 | karsten | !tell simple_ about knoppix |
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| 07:21.50 | KerPlunk | skaught: right |
| 07:21.53 | karsten | !tell simple_ about itsnotdebia |
| 07:21.54 | simple_ | ah |
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| 07:21.56 | karsten | !tell simple_ about itsnotdebian |
| 07:21.57 | bob2 | cooooooooooooooooome on my selector. |
| 07:21.58 | simple_ | yeah i got that thanks |
| 07:22.00 | simple_ | you can stop telling me :D |
| 07:22.10 | simple_ | debian based doesn't matter round here |
| 07:22.31 | karsten | KerPlunk: Um. What exactly aren't you finding, or are you looking for. |
| 07:22.32 | streuner | no |
| 07:22.43 | NetSpirit | Hi all, I'd like some help for a little network pb (seems to be a netbios name resolution pb) |
| 07:22.52 | KerPlunk | karsten: I just want the mplayer plugin for firefox |
| 07:22.56 | karsten | simple_: It gets a little old the 5 millionth time. That's all |
| 07:23.31 | karsten | KerPlunk: *Ah*. _That_ little nugget of wisdom might have been helpful up front. |
| 07:23.36 | karsten | KerPlunk: NFC. |
| 07:24.26 | karsten | KerPlunk: I'm allergic to plugins myself. d/l and play the clip. |
| 07:25.20 | Solet | hrm... x wont let me change my resolutions now that i have xinerama... it wants an XRandR extention |
| 07:25.45 | peterS | Solet: so RandR isn't compatible with xinerama? this I did not know, although I can't say it's entirely surprising |
| 07:26.06 | peterS | Solet: ("RandR" means "rotate and resize") |
| 07:27.00 | karsten | peterS: Tell that to a soldier. |
| 07:27.20 | peterS | karsten: can you rotate and resize in, say, taipei? |
| 07:27.21 | karsten | ...or a sailor, FWIW. |
| 07:27.36 | karsten | peterS: If the price is right... |
| 07:28.01 | Solet | ok i know what randr is... but wtf is 'fwiw' |
| 07:28.08 | peterS | "for what it's worth" |
| 07:28.19 | karsten | Solet: /msg dpkg fwiw |
| 07:28.28 | Solet | aha... i was thinking another fkin military term... |
| 07:28.42 | karsten | Solet: Share! |
| 07:29.03 | Solet | karsten: huh? |
| 07:29.21 | karsten | Solet: What did you think it meant? |
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| 07:29.37 | Solet | i had no idea... i couldnt come up with anything... thats whyi asked :P |
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| 07:30.25 | Solet | karsten: believe it or not i aim for sensible |
| 07:30.44 | jim | !debian codename |
| 07:30.47 | karsten | Solet: I aim for targets and urinals, but suit yourself. |
| 07:30.55 | jim | !rex |
| 07:30.55 | dpkg | [rex] the codename for Debian 1.2, released mid-Dec 1996 |
| 07:31.08 | jim | too oild |
| 07:31.15 | Solet | ROFL |
| 07:31.20 | jim | !slink |
| 07:31.20 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 07:31.36 | jim | !potato |
| 07:31.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 07:31.39 | karsten | jim: /privmsg coming |
| 07:31.43 | jim | that's the one |
| 07:32.02 | jim | !potato -> woody |
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| 07:32.16 | jim | !potato->woody |
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| 07:32.23 | peterS | jim: please use /msg dpkg |
| 07:32.28 | karsten | jim: /msg dpkg please. |
| 07:32.38 | peterS | jim: at some point we start to call it spam |
| 07:32.53 | jim | unsolicited commercial email? |
| 07:32.56 | peterS | Solet: the bot keeps track of everything it is told. it goes back quite a few years |
| 07:32.58 | streuner | in this case i would say yes ;-) |
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| 07:33.07 | peterS | jim: in this case, unsolicited bulk bot queries |
| 07:33.10 | jetscreamer | yeah! |
| 07:33.18 | karsten | Solet: Dunno, but I've got a file w/ release dates just for kicks. |
| 07:33.22 | jim | well |
| 07:33.30 | jim | I got a potato |
| 07:33.31 | jetscreamer | deep subject |
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| 07:33.35 | jim | and I want a woody |
| 07:33.40 | peterS | jim: the key word is 'bulk'. you had already asked it 4 related things and showed no signs of slowing down |
| 07:33.43 | Solet | peterS: this i know... i was curious ... |
| 07:33.44 | jetscreamer | kick him |
| 07:33.46 | karsten | jim: Would you like fries with that? |
| 07:33.47 | Solet | omg you did not just say that |
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| 07:33.59 | karsten | jetscreamer: Not yet... |
| 07:34.00 | streuner | !kick jetscreamer |
| 07:34.04 | YouCeyE | anyone uses ip recent module? or swatch? |
| 07:34.14 | NetSpirit | Could someone tell me why I have netbios name resolution since I upgraded from samba 2.2 to samba 3.0 plz? I have checked my smb.conf file but nothing changed... :\ |
| 07:34.15 | jetscreamer | streuner: he's a troll |
| 07:34.18 | karsten | jim: You can /query and chat with the bot if you'd like. |
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| 07:34.30 | jim | see that? you're not being helpful; the bot was, and it's on-topic. next complaint? |
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| 07:35.02 | karsten | jim: Did you have a specific upgrade question? |
| 07:35.09 | jim | yes. |
| 07:35.11 | peterS | jim: the bot also responds very well to private messages. if you plan to ask it more than about 1 or 2 things, that's by far your best option, so you don't waste the time of the 700 people here |
| 07:35.12 | streuner | jetscreamer: hey, its early friday morning here and the day starts with sunshine so what? ;-) |
| 07:35.18 | Solet | jim: it just breaks up conversations... you arent normally allowed to /msg ops... but dpkg is the exception, he lets you /msg him... please do so |
| 07:35.34 | jetscreamer | !worship dpkg |
| 07:35.43 | karsten | jim: Care to share that question or should we guess? |
| 07:35.53 | peterS | karsten: I think he's sulking |
| 07:35.55 | Solet | oh oh guessing is fun... |
| 07:35.55 | bob2 | come on people |
| 07:35.58 | jim | can I go directly from potato to woody |
| 07:35.59 | jetscreamer | he's trying to think up a good one |
| 07:36.03 | karsten | jetscreamer: ... um, that's not exactly the example to set ATM. |
| 07:36.10 | bob2 | jim: yes, /msg dpkg potato->woody |
| 07:36.10 | jim | peterS: and whether I am is your business? |
| 07:36.19 | peterS | jim: and whether I think you are is your business? |
| 07:36.20 | karsten | jim: Yes. |
| 07:36.22 | Guerin | jim: yes. WHy you'd want to I'm not sure. |
| 07:36.38 | karsten | jim: Um. We _are_ here to help. Suggest you recognize that bit. |
| 07:36.44 | jim | peterS: when you post it, it is. |
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| 07:37.18 | Guerin | ah, it's beertime friday |
| 07:37.25 | rixth | rixth@bear:~$ timidity pennylan.mid |
| 07:37.25 | rixth | /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg: No such file or directory <<<<<< Excuse me. I JUST apt-getted it. |
| 07:37.39 | bob2 | rixth: so, I assume you made sure that file didn't exist? |
| 07:37.51 | debian | Guerin: so early? what time is your place now? |
| 07:37.52 | bob2 | rixth: then looked on packages.debian.org to find out what package it's in? |
| 07:37.54 | peterS | jim: whatever, dude. I was talking to karsten anyway. he's a smart guy, he knows whether there's a reasonable chance I was doing more than speculating |
| 07:37.59 | Solet | does anyone know where i can get iso's of the buzz disks... i wanna toss it on an extra machine i have just for kicks |
| 07:38.06 | rixth | Oh don't be pricky. |
| 07:38.14 | karsten | jim: Sorted? |
| 07:38.16 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 07:38.20 | Guerin | debian: 16:37, and I'm already home and finished work |
| 07:38.29 | bob2 | bah |
| 07:38.34 | karsten | Solet: Ye gads. |
| 07:38.34 | Guerin | working 9-notreally5 is grand |
| 07:38.35 | peterS | Solet: archive.debian.org (or google for a mirror) contains buzz. I don't think iso images are available but you can probably find floppy images to start an install |
| 07:38.37 | bob2 | horus to go until beer o'clock |
| 07:38.37 | jim | jetscreamer: so you have a 2.2? |
| 07:38.43 | karsten | Solet: *maybe* archive.d.o? |
| 07:38.53 | jetscreamer | Guerin: i have yet to go to sleep it's friday am and i have all friday ahead of me |
| 07:39.00 | peterS | Solet: awhile back, archive.debian.org itself didn't respond to queries, but mirrors were easy enough to google up |
| 07:39.04 | jetscreamer | no |
| 07:39.13 | karsten | Solet: I've got a pointer to the potato base2_2.tgz image. Why buzz? |
| 07:39.16 | Guerin | jetscreamer: sucks to be living in an old timezone |
| 07:39.46 | jetscreamer | yeah but you'll be at work your_monday and it'll still be sunday for me |
| 07:39.46 | Solet | karsten: buzz was the first wasnt it? |
| 07:39.48 | takatumi | how can a timezone get old? |
| 07:39.57 | karsten | Solet: 2nd. |
| 07:40.01 | Solet | ? |
| 07:40.04 | karsten | Solet: 0.93R6 Oct 26, 1995 |
| 07:40.07 | Solet | !codenames |
| 07:40.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), Woody=Stable (3.0) Sarge=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews |
| 07:40.09 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:40.43 | Solet | karsten: they never accually had a 1.0? |
| 07:40.54 | karsten | Solet: NFC. |
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| 07:41.06 | bob2 | 1.0 didn't come out |
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| 07:41.17 | bob2 | because some stupid CD company took a buzz pre-release and slapped 1.0 on it |
| 07:41.18 | bob2 | and sold it |
| 07:41.29 | karsten | Ah. |
| 07:41.36 | bob2 | or so I heard once |
| 07:41.38 | karsten | bob2: Who? Do you know? |
| 07:41.41 | positrix | whats a good gpl cd-copier for win32? |
| 07:41.52 | skaught | positrix: dd? |
| 07:41.55 | bob2 | I'm thinking infomagic for some reason |
| 07:42.00 | Guerin | skaught: dd for win32? |
| 07:42.03 | karsten | positrix: ?? |
| 07:42.05 | karsten | positrix: cdrecord. In cygwin. |
| 07:42.09 | bob2 | windows doesn't have device nodes |
| 07:42.10 | peterS | bob2: yeah, I'm thinking infomagic too |
| 07:42.14 | Solet | ... some one call me when someone makes a good anything for win32... |
| 07:42.20 | positrix | Solet: lol |
| 07:42.25 | karsten | positrix: burner or copyier? |
| 07:42.28 | Solet | good software for a bad os = bad software |
| 07:42.30 | positrix | copier |
| 07:42.47 | karsten | positrix: cdrecord. It's in Cygwin. http://www.cygwin.com/ |
| 07:42.52 | Guerin | do you mean ripper? |
| 07:42.56 | peterS | !codenames =~ s/Testing/Testing (3.1)/ |
| 07:42.56 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
| 07:43.09 | andreast6 | hi i have a problem i tried to install python 2.4.1 (python 2.3 already installed) and the os still executes python 2.3 when i type python(i m newbie pls help) |
| 07:43.10 | skaught | CoreUtils (gnuwin32.sf.net) has a copy of dd for Win32 (native) |
| 07:43.15 | karsten | Guerin: Point. I'm obviously obsessed.... |
| 07:43.19 | peterS | (yes, debian-devel notwithstanding, the question was settled long ago) |
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| 07:43.32 | Guerin | peterS: ? |
| 07:43.32 | karsten | andreast6: man update-alternatives. Maybe. |
| 07:43.39 | bob2 | andreast6: er, that would be because python2.4 isn't the default yet |
| 07:43.46 | bob2 | andreast6: so call python2.4 |
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| 07:43.57 | peterS | Guerin: sarge being 3.1. just after it froze someone brought up on the debian-devel list whether to call it 3.1 or 3.2 or 4.0, as though it hadn't been decided *months* ago |
| 07:44.12 | bender-RW- | this may sound stupid, but are there going to be security updates for kernel-source-2.6.10 in the upcoming stable? |
| 07:44.32 | bob2 | is that even in sarge? |
| 07:44.33 | peterS | bender-RW-: the upcoming stable won't have kernel 2.6.10 in it. just 2.6.8. |
| 07:44.34 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:44.42 | andreast6 | actually i m trying to install python2.3-dev_2.3.5-3_i386.deb and it says it needs newer verion of python |
| 07:44.53 | bob2 | andreast6: why are you trying to do that? |
| 07:44.58 | andreast6 | how can i make python 2.4.1 default |
| 07:44.58 | bob2 | andreast6: apt can do that for you |
| 07:45.00 | peterS | bender-RW-: the unofficial port of debian sarge to amd64 might have kernel 2.6.10 in it, but, you know, that's unofficial. |
| 07:45.08 | bob2 | andreast6: you can't make 2.4.1 the default |
| 07:45.08 | Solet | peterS: the bot knows bash? |
| 07:45.14 | bob2 | andreast6: explain what you're actually trying to do |
| 07:45.26 | jim | NetSpirit; netbios? how does that figure into linux? you using samba? |
| 07:45.27 | peterS | Solet: no, it has a specific search/replace command whose syntax is somewhat reminiscent of 'sed' |
| 07:45.33 | bender-RW- | peterS: i'm running sarge, and found kernel-source-2.6.10 in there |
| 07:45.37 | peterS | well, more reminiscent of 'perl' |
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| 07:45.58 | Guerin | !info kernel-source-2.6.10 sarge |
| 07:46.05 | Guerin | you lie |
| 07:46.06 | Solet | hrm... i thought bash had the s/old/new as well... |
| 07:46.07 | peterS | bender-RW-: I wonder how you managed that. http://packages.debian.org/kernel-source-2.6.10 doesn't show anything for sarge |
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| 07:46.15 | streuner | 2.6.10 isn't in sarge |
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| 07:46.23 | peterS | Solet: it has ${foo/old/new/} for variables |
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| 07:46.25 | Guerin | bender-RW-: you might think you're runnning sarge, but you're not. |
| 07:46.38 | streuner | bender-RW-: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:46.39 | jim | what's he running? |
| 07:46.43 | bender-RW- | hmm this is odd :) |
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| 07:46.47 | streuner | unstable |
| 07:46.53 | peterS | jim: my guess is he's running from amd64.debian.net |
| 07:46.56 | andreast6 | i m trying to compile Fnorb and says that a module is missing |
| 07:47.10 | bossie | hi, i just got me the newest debian 3.0 r5 and wondering how i can partition my disks with ext3 or reiserfs4 ?! i can't see that anywhere? |
| 07:47.29 | peterS | bossie: boot the 'bf2.4' kernel, as mentioned in the F3 help screen at the "Boot:" prompt |
| 07:47.33 | Guerin | bossie: not ricer4; but you can use ext3 with the bf24 kernel |
| 07:47.33 | bob2 | andreast6: which module? |
| 07:47.36 | peterS | bossie: you still won't have a reiser4 option, but you'll have ext3 |
| 07:47.47 | bob2 | bossie: er, bear in mind that came out on july 19 2002 |
| 07:47.47 | jim | peterS: you mean he's running that arch maybe? |
| 07:47.51 | Guerin | bossie: you probably don't want to install 3.0r5 now - you probably want |
| 07:47.52 | bender-RW- | un libc6 <none> (no description available) |
| 07:47.54 | bob2 | bossie: before reiser3 was even stable |
| 07:47.55 | Guerin | !d-i bossie |
| 07:47.56 | dpkg | bossie, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:48.07 | peterS | jim: that's my guess. because I believe the 2.6.10 kernel *is* available in the amd64 port of sarge |
| 07:48.30 | peterS | jim: so if he thinks he's running sarge, I figure he's probably on the unofficial amd64 rendition thereof |
| 07:48.31 | Guerin | bender-RW-: wtf |
| 07:48.34 | jim | peterS: maybe that kernel works better or at all for that arch? |
| 07:48.36 | bossie | mh, k thanks for your advice, so you would recommend ext3 instead of reiser?! |
| 07:48.44 | Guerin | bossie: absolutely. |
| 07:49.01 | jim | bossie: not reiser, it dies and your data dies with it |
| 07:49.07 | jim | at least reiser3 |
| 07:49.09 | bender-RW- | Guerin: ii libc6.1 2.3.2.ds1-21 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 07:49.10 | bossie | okay, thanks, than it's ext3 ;) |
| 07:49.19 | peterS | jim: amd64 isn't in debian so they can make their own release decisions. debian needs to have just *one* 2.6 kernel version in sarge, in order for ongoing security support not to be completely insane. they chose 2.6.8, and that's what the installer is well tested with, so we can't change it now |
| 07:49.32 | Guerin | bender-RW-: you're definitely not running debian sarge. |
| 07:49.33 | peterS | bender-RW-: right, are you running amd64? yes or no |
| 07:49.44 | bender-RW- | peterS: alpha |
| 07:50.16 | jim | wait, so they are an independent arch? which archs are also independent? does that mean amd64 wouldn't hold sarge release up? |
| 07:50.21 | peterS | bender-RW-: I wonder how you got a 2.6.10 alpha kernel in sarge |
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| 07:50.43 | bender-RW- | i was running testing for some time, maybe it was in testing at some point and dropped |
| 07:50.44 | jim | will amd64 be admitted to debian? is that the plan? |
| 07:50.56 | peterS | jim: correct. amd64 is not in debian yet. there's not enough space on the debian mirrors. after sarge is released, certain other architectures (like *all* of them, almost) will be dropped from the main mirrors, so there will be room for amd64 |
| 07:50.57 | bob2 | jim: yes, after sarge |
| 07:51.17 | jim | all archs dropped?? |
| 07:51.21 | bob2 | I'm hoping this isn't the same jim that maintains animals in Debian |
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| 07:51.22 | peterS | jim: from the mirrors, yes |
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| 07:51.28 | peterS | bob2: hehe |
| 07:51.36 | Guerin | bender-RW-: you're NOT running sarge. Categorically. |
| 07:51.37 | karsten | bossie: You don't partition disks with a filesystem, you partition them, _then_ create a filesystem. |
| 07:51.39 | jim | I don't understand... why?] |
| 07:51.46 | peterS | jim: space and bandwidth |
| 07:51.51 | bob2 | jim: you're not the animals maintainer, are you? |
| 07:51.56 | jim | yes |
| 07:51.56 | Guerin | bender-RW-: 2.6.10 kernel, nor libc6.1, has never been in sarge. |
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| 07:52.03 | karsten | bossie: And if you pre-partition and build FS, you should be able to install onto reiser if you must. |
| 07:52.05 | ReVisions | hey guys |
| 07:52.08 | peterS | jim: were you not listening to me a moment ago? I just got done saying there is no room on the mirrors for amd64. this is a problem a lot of people want to fix |
| 07:52.19 | karsten | bossie: ext3 recommended over reiser, here at least. |
| 07:52.25 | ReVisions | tell me, there's a way to install debian from my gentoo? i mean with restart and all that shi |
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| 07:52.25 | ReVisions | t |
| 07:52.26 | peterS | Guerin: libc6.1 for alpha definitely is in sarge |
| 07:52.41 | Guerin | oh, he's not running amd64? |
| 07:52.42 | jim | so what is the fix? |
| 07:52.43 | bossie | karsten: okay, i'm going for ext3 then for sure.. thanks |
| 07:52.48 | peterS | Guerin: he says he's running alpha |
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| 07:52.51 | bender-RW- | Guerin: no, alpha |
| 07:52.53 | ReVisions | tell me, there's a way to install debian from my gentoo? i mean with restart and all that shit... |
| 07:52.55 | Guerin | gah, ok |
| 07:53.09 | jim | once the archs leave debian mirrors, do they also leave debian? |
| 07:53.11 | bob2 | jim: er, shouldn't you read debian-devel-announce then? |
| 07:53.27 | bender-RW- | Guerin: but you are still right about 2.6.10, aptitute shows no available versions :) |
| 07:53.34 | bender-RW- | Guerin: (of course) |
| 07:53.49 | peterS | jim: apparently you've been in a cave the past 3 months. this is all debian has talked about (other than the DPL election) for that amount of time |
| 07:53.51 | karsten | !tell ReVisions about chroot install |
| 07:53.56 | karsten | jim: No. |
| 07:53.58 | Guerin | ReVisions: sure there is. /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 07:54.14 | peterS | jim: non-i386 non-amd64 architectures will be relegated to a separate and much smaller mirror network |
| 07:54.19 | karsten | !tell jim about vancouver |
| 07:54.25 | takatumi | but what's the "restart and all that shit..." shit? |
| 07:54.26 | peterS | jim: the theory is that nobody downloads them anyway so they don't need a lot of mirrors |
| 07:54.31 | bob2 | peterS: ppc is a FCC, too |
| 07:54.33 | Guerin | peterS: really? even ppc? |
| 07:54.35 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:54.43 | Guerin | and I think sparc is on the cusp... |
| 07:54.45 | peterS | bob2: does ppc account for at least 10% of downloads now? I thought it was more like 2% |
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| 07:54.52 | bossie | karsten: err, do you know which option it is in the partition menu? 85 is Linux extended, but i can't find a plain ext3 option there |
| 07:54.59 | bob2 | peterS: it was in the list of FCC arches |
| 07:54.59 | jim | why am I being told about vankouver |
| 07:55.12 | karsten | bossie: Partitioning != filesystem creation |
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| 07:55.22 | peterS | bob2: did they change the rule about 10% of downloads then? I'm sure I heard a stat that nobody but i386 is even *close* to that |
| 07:55.27 | Guerin | jim: that's where the cabal^Wgroup of devs met |
| 07:55.29 | peterS | (and presumably amd64 will be once it's on the mirrors at all) |
| 07:55.30 | karsten | bossie: 83 for standard Linux partition. |
| 07:55.52 | bossie | karsten: that's ext2 then?! |
| 07:55.52 | bob2 | peterS: I don't recall hearing something had to be 10% of anything |
| 07:55.53 | karsten | jim: Why don't you read the damned factoid and links that dpkg just told you? |
| 07:56.06 | karsten | bossie: Partition type != filesystem. |
| 07:56.11 | bob2 | I do remember the set of FCC arches was the set of Ubuntu release arches, tho |
| 07:56.12 | bossie | karsten: i know, i just ment i'm at the partition menu, hiting the type button |
| 07:56.20 | jasoncohen | does debian use xorg or xfree? |
| 07:56.20 | karsten | bossie: 83 for linux partitions. 82 for swap. |
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| 07:56.21 | peterS | bob2: I thought that was going to be the requirement in order to be on ftp.debian.org and mirrors thereof. not to be confused with release architectures of course |
| 07:56.27 | jasoncohen | in testing |
| 07:56.32 | skaught | jasoncohen: xfree |
| 07:56.34 | karsten | bossie: That's all ye know on earth and all ye need to know |
| 07:56.36 | cryndes | how do i select the font for gtk2 applications there was a command, but i forgot it |
| 07:56.39 | karsten | !tell jasoncohen about xorg |
| 07:56.51 | karsten | jasoncohen: xfree86. xorg under development. |
| 07:56.56 | bob2 | cryndes: switch2 |
| 07:57.03 | karsten | cryndes: .gtkrc **RC. |
| 07:57.08 | karsten | cryndes: Um. IIRC. |
| 07:57.12 | cryndes | bob2: thx |
| 07:57.14 | cryndes | karsten: thx |
| 07:57.15 | jim | you want my opinion on that? because I think you should let me msg the bot myself, and I also think you should tell me -why- rather than force me to go to some other window to read. |
| 07:57.16 | karsten | bossie: ?? |
| 07:57.25 | karsten | bob2: What's switch2? |
| 07:57.29 | jim | !tell karsten about msg the bot for helpers |
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| 07:57.33 | karsten | bossie: NM. Nick completion.... |
| 07:57.35 | Guerin | jim: you're really pisseh today, aintcha? |
| 07:57.43 | bossie | karsten: hum it says: fs type: linux ext2 in menu |
| 07:57.46 | bossie | that's correct?!?!?! |
| 07:57.51 | bob2 | karsten: the gtk2 version of switch |
| 07:58.02 | karsten | jim: The bot is a convenience. If you'd rather _not_ get _any_ assistance, I can accomodate and will do so gladly. |
| 07:58.04 | Guerin | bossie: that's ok |
| 07:58.05 | SlayerXP | !ep bossie |
| 07:58.05 | dpkg | bossie: Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:58.18 | karsten | bossie: It's liying to you. |
| 07:58.29 | Guerin | bossie: you can switch to ext3 trivially after, even if it is real |
| 07:58.30 | jim | karsten: just don't force it down my throat... |
| 07:58.47 | karsten | bossie: /me ignores jim, for general sanity. |
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| 07:58.58 | karsten | jim: Quite. |
| 07:59.21 | cryndes | bob2: and for gtk1.x |
| 07:59.26 | cryndes | bob2: the same? |
| 07:59.30 | cryndes | program |
| 07:59.30 | evl | I've accidentially deleted a whole bunch of files in /usr/bin, any way to repair a wounded system? :) |
| 07:59.35 | bossie | karsten: ok thanks. works. sorry for beeing a pain |
| 07:59.41 | SlayerXP | evl: restore from your backup |
| 07:59.55 | karsten | bossie: Suggest you read the install manual rather than walk us through your install step-by-step. |
| 07:59.56 | evl | SlayerXP: it's a development box, there is no backup |
| 07:59.59 | ioman | Is it possible to switch from unstable to testing? Any problems? |
| 08:00.01 | SlayerXP | evl: reinstall |
| 08:00.14 | bossie | karsten: that's just all, the rest i cn do by myself ;) |
| 08:00.18 | karsten | jim: Stop msging the bot to tell me stuff. For starters, that's my trick. |
| 08:00.23 | karsten | bossie: OK ;-) |
| 08:00.57 | karsten | Is archive.debian.org down? (113) No route to host |
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| 08:01.03 | jim | karsten: you'll note the factoid I sent you is one I placed on the bot (along with sicco) |
| 08:01.11 | bob2 | it was on oldraff |
| 08:01.13 | bob2 | which is gone |
| 08:01.14 | jasoncohen | huh, that's interesting. xorg has been in most distros for quite a while. |
| 08:01.20 | bob2 | jasoncohen: yes |
| 08:01.32 | bob2 | jasoncohen: http://people.debian.org/~branden/ -> xsf faq |
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| 08:01.53 | jim | karsten: I could have said to you, "karsten: pls /msg dpkg msg the bot for helpers" |
| 08:01.54 | Guerin | karsten: has been for ages. Google. |
| 08:01.57 | streuner | jasoncohen: after sarge is stable, xorg goes into debian. |
| 08:02.10 | skaught | jasoncohen: Did you read the links dpkg sent you? |
| 08:02.11 | karsten | Guerin: Thanks. |
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| 08:02.21 | bossie | karsten: but well, one last thing. you could recommend me a good software which lets me mirror one disk, so that i can copy this installation over to some other (same hardware) computers.. is dd the command? |
| 08:02.49 | Guerin | bossie: dd is good for an identical disk drive. tar is better for a typical setup. |
| 08:02.58 | jasoncohen | skaught: yes |
| 08:03.06 | karsten | bossie: 'cp' |
| 08:03.15 | jasoncohen | skaught: it said xorg was going in after it was packaged but in an undeterminate amount of time |
| 08:03.15 | bossie | Guerin: but it also have to copy bootloader and things.. that will work with tar? |
| 08:03.21 | jasoncohen | and sarge will have xfree |
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| 08:03.48 | karsten | bossie: Mirroring is for Windows. Generally: get new disk. Partition as desired, create filesystems, mount them (directory tree as needed). |
| 08:03.48 | Guerin | bossie: no, you'll need to do that separately. It's trivial enough to do with dd, though. |
| 08:03.50 | TCJ | how much RAM can Debian use? |
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| 08:04.02 | Guerin | TCJ: as much as the kernel can handle. |
| 08:04.05 | skaught | jasoncohen: Xorg will go in at the earliest after Sarge is released. |
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| 08:04.14 | karsten | bossie: ... then from top of tree to copy: cp -pdr . /othertree |
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| 08:04.23 | karsten | TCJ: Lots |
| 08:04.36 | bossie | karsten: mhm ok. i'll try that. |
| 08:04.57 | bossie | TCJ: depends on the kernel, 4GB i think |
| 08:04.59 | PenjejakNeraka | hi, why got this error when running fbgrap as normal user: "Error: Couldn't open /dev/fb0" |
| 08:05.04 | karsten | bossie: Make sure you're not recursively copying. |
| 08:05.08 | PenjejakNeraka | but if i am using root, it is ok |
| 08:05.11 | TCJ | I am new to linux, so please bare with me, if I install Debian sarge wth the kernel that comes with it, how much then? |
| 08:05.16 | karsten | bossie: There's no need to do a 'dd', and it's *tons* slower. |
| 08:05.31 | bob2 | TCJ: 896MB |
| 08:05.43 | karsten | TCJ: Are you asking how much RAM you _can_ access, or how much you need to run? |
| 08:05.46 | Gathond | TCJ: on X86, probably 860 or some such |
| 08:05.51 | cryndes | i cannot start firefox i get the error "Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client!" |
| 08:05.59 | jim | PenjejakNeraka: do you understand file permissions? |
| 08:06.01 | cryndes | but firefox isnt open |
| 08:06.05 | bossie | karsten: but that you understand me right.. the other disk is completely empty and i want just a identical copy. like also the master-boot-record and stuff must be in it the |
| 08:06.10 | Guerin | bob2: do you mean GB? |
| 08:06.16 | karsten | cryndes: Remote or local launch? |
| 08:06.17 | TCJ | bob2: thanks, how to expand this, and how much is possible? |
| 08:06.19 | PenjejakNeraka | jim; sure. what permission do i need to edit? |
| 08:06.29 | cryndes | karsten: local |
| 08:06.37 | bob2 | Guerin: no |
| 08:06.40 | karsten | bossie: dd. It's going to be hours faster w/ cp and reruning 'install-grub' |
| 08:06.44 | jim | no idea... what permission is on the file you try to access? |
| 08:06.47 | bob2 | TCJ: up to 64GB or so on 32-bit architectures |
| 08:06.48 | TCJ | Karsten: you_can_access |
| 08:06.53 | karsten | cryndes: Weird. |
| 08:06.55 | bossie | karsten: ok |
| 08:06.57 | bob2 | TCJ: if you want more than 1GB, tho, it's time to buy an amd64 |
| 08:07.06 | TCJ | bob2: Wow!!! |
| 08:07.15 | bob2 | Guerin: without HIGHMEM, the kernel can only use 896MB of ram |
| 08:07.18 | karsten | bossie: What about the 2:2 / 1:3 split? |
| 08:07.23 | karsten | bob2: What about the 2:2 / 1:3 split? |
| 08:07.27 | karsten | bossie: Sorry. |
| 08:07.27 | PenjejakNeraka | jim; i can run the programme. but as a normal user it seems i couldn't access the /dev/fb0 |
| 08:07.28 | bob2 | = 1024MB - 128MB for page tables |
| 08:07.38 | bob2 | karsten: that means enabling highmem or something like it |
| 08:07.40 | Guerin | bob2: and debian kernels don't have highmem? |
| 08:07.45 | bob2 | karsten: there's a 4:4 split now, too |
| 08:07.47 | karsten | bob2: Dig. |
| 08:07.48 | bob2 | Guerin: not that I know of |
| 08:07.52 | bossie | karsten: dd also copies over the partition style of my first disk? |
| 08:07.56 | jim | PenjejakNeraka: why can you not access /dev/fb0? |
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| 08:08.04 | karsten | bob2: Heh. |
| 08:08.09 | bob2 | you can check with a quic grep "HIGH.*MEM" /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 08:08.28 | karsten | bossie: 'dd' if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb will make a binary, bitwise copy of /dev/hda to /dev/hdb. |
| 08:08.42 | TCJ | which kernel do I need to use for more RAM with Debian, and Xeon and P4 based systems? |
| 08:08.48 | bossie | karsten: cool, thanks |
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| 08:09.16 | TCJ | ...og and where to find a guide to make it happen? |
| 08:09.17 | karsten | bossie: In practice, that's rarely done. Sometimes for forensics and such. cp, tar, and related tools are worlds faster. |
| 08:09.31 | bob2 | TCJ: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 08:09.32 | karsten | bossie: ...because you don't have to copy endless acres of empty space. |
| 08:09.38 | jim | TCJ: how much ram you got? |
| 08:09.42 | NetDC | karsten: if hda and hdb is not same size ? |
| 08:09.43 | npx | karsten, I do that all the time |
| 08:09.46 | jasoncohen | any particular reaosn openssh is version 3.8p1 rather than 3.9 or 4.0? |
| 08:09.52 | jasoncohen | for both unstable and testing |
| 08:09.56 | npx | I typically do it to a .img file, and then mount that as a loopback fs |
| 08:09.57 | PenjejakNeraka | jim; now, it's ok. i just changed the permission for /dev/fb0 |
| 08:09.57 | bossie | karsten: yeah, but what's up with the partition style then? and the boot loader - the masterbootrecord and things?!?! |
| 08:09.59 | Guerin | jasoncohen: read the changelog |
| 08:10.19 | Guerin | jasoncohen: probably, again, to do with testing. |
| 08:10.20 | karsten | NetDC: Then you've basically run into one of the main reasons disk imaging is so limited. |
| 08:10.20 | TCJ | jim: plenty, but this is for systems not yet build, so I am just asking |
| 08:10.27 | jim | PenjejakNeraka: ahh :) so you -do- understand file permissions :) |
| 08:10.40 | q1 | are there any problems with installing sarge usinge debootstrap atm? |
| 08:10.42 | karsten | NetDC: Either you run out of space (hdb < hda) or you have unutilized space (hda < hdb) |
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| 08:10.58 | TCJ | bob2: how will I know what kernel to choose? |
| 08:11.06 | karsten | q1: Not AFAIC, not i n recent experience. |
| 08:11.17 | karsten | TCJ: By asking a gazillion stupid questions on IRC? |
| 08:11.20 | jim | TCJ: there are config settings for kernel source where you tell it whether you're more or less than 4g of ram |
| 08:11.23 | bob2 | TCJ: read their descriptions |
| 08:11.33 | PenjejakNeraka | jim; i do, but i forgot :p |
| 08:11.35 | npx | NetDC, if you use the method I just suggested, dd if=/dev/hda of=hda.img, then mount -o loopback hda.img /loopback, you can then copy relevant data over, or use split and tar to split it up and archive it |
| 08:12.12 | jim | PenjejakNeraka: sometimes I have to remind myself of permissions details too... take a look at info fileutils |
| 08:12.16 | jasoncohen | Guerin: there's a transitional release (3.9p1) in experimental |
| 08:12.19 | npx | that method works best if you have /usr, /home, etc on different partitions |
| 08:12.33 | jim | you should see a chapter on file permisssions... very explanitory, very helpful |
| 08:12.33 | Guerin | jasoncohen: that's almost certainly the reason then |
| 08:13.03 | TCJ | karsten: sorry if I bother you, but everyone needs to start somewhere... |
| 08:13.14 | jasoncohen | the package names changed |
| 08:13.31 | jasoncohen | ssh broke into ssh-client and ssh-server so it might mess up deps |
| 08:13.37 | TCJ | jim: bob2: thanks! I will give it a try |
| 08:14.07 | jasoncohen | i guess that explains why they didn't include it. |
| 08:14.08 | jim | TCJ: you should get into compilling kernels, and try to get them to boot and work |
| 08:14.14 | karsten | bob2: For highmem stuff, building a kernel would be a best bet then, in Debian? |
| 08:14.17 | skaught | jasoncohen: That's no problem, apt and dpkg can handle that |
| 08:14.18 | Guerin | jasoncohen: hrm, I didn't know that. |
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| 08:14.42 | Guerin | skaught: they can, but it *might* break things for some users wanting to stabilise |
| 08:14.45 | jasoncohen | "This is a transitional package depending on both the OpenSSH client and the OpenSSH server, which are now in separate packages. You may remove it once the upgrade is complete and nothing depends on it." |
| 08:14.51 | bob2 | karsten: I don't know, I don't have a debian kernel to check the config of |
| 08:14.54 | bob2 | karsten: but iirc, yes |
| 08:14.56 | jasoncohen | so, it should be pretty safe to install that? |
| 08:15.05 | karsten | bob2: I see HIGHMEM=y, HIGHMEM4G=y, HIGHMEM64G=n, 2.6.7-1-686 stock. |
| 08:15.06 | Guerin | jasoncohen: experimental? No. |
| 08:15.07 | skaught | Guerin: Of course, but then that's the issue of testing being frozen again |
| 08:15.12 | karsten | bob2: Traitor! |
| 08:15.15 | bob2 | karsten: ah, there you go |
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| 08:15.26 | jasoncohen | Guerin: but i thought the problem was just a name change |
| 08:15.27 | Guerin | skaught: yeah; that's what I'm calling as the reason it's not in testing. |
| 08:15.40 | jim | TCJ: once you've learned to compile a kernel yourself, make-kpkg will be of some help to you: it compiles the kernel as you configure, then wraps it in a debian package |
| 08:15.43 | Guerin | jasoncohen: if you know how to troubleshoot dependency breakage, go ahead. |
| 08:15.46 | karsten | bob2: So for up to 4 GB I'm OK, 4 < RAM <= 64 GB I'd need to rebuild. |
| 08:15.51 | jasoncohen | heh, i guess that's a no |
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| 08:15.55 | bob2 | karsten: aiui, yes |
| 08:15.57 | evl | SlayerXP: i actually just copied the whole folder over from an identical machine and everything is fine :P |
| 08:16.04 | jasoncohen | Guerin: how are these problems eventually fixed? |
| 08:16.09 | bob2 | karsten: but > 4GB on a 32-bit arch is getting increasingly silly |
| 08:16.14 | karsten | bob2: Dig, thanks. |
| 08:16.20 | Guerin | jasoncohen: but remember: experimental means "we get to use your computer for our experiments"; not "you get to experiment with our software" |
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| 08:16.27 | bob2 | karsten: np |
| 08:16.29 | karsten | bob2: strewth. |
| 08:16.42 | Gathond | karsten: for 4 < 64 GB you should buy a 64 bit CPU, as a 32 bit CPU adressing mode than 2 32 Bytes of memory requires silly hacks, that only slow stuff down |
| 08:17.00 | Guerin | jasoncohen: depends; some can be fixed easily by new metapackages/virtualpackages; others need manual intervention. If you have to ask these questions, you ain't qualified. |
| 08:17.00 | karsten | Gathond: Da. |
| 08:17.21 | karsten | Gathond: On 64 bit arches, large memory's native then, right? |
| 08:17.27 | bob2 | right |
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| 08:17.38 | bob2 | amd64 supports ~64MB physical memory atm, iirc |
| 08:17.39 | jasoncohen | Guerin: that's why i said i wasn't going to do it. I'll stick with 3.8p1. I was just wondering as it's quite old |
| 08:17.39 | lehel | hello |
| 08:17.42 | bob2 | 512GB virtual |
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| 08:17.59 | lehel | wich Desktop Environment is the best?.. |
| 08:18.01 | Guerin | jasoncohen: an security flaws will have been patched against. |
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| 08:18.07 | HansZ | hmm anyone expierence with python? I can't load sockets.. i think it's debian releated |
| 08:18.08 | bob2 | lehel: none |
| 08:18.09 | Guerin | lehel: /bin/bash |
| 08:18.14 | bob2 | lehel: choose the one you like best |
| 08:18.22 | karsten | !best |
| 08:18.22 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 08:18.29 | hardcampa- | HanZ how you mean, you can't import socket ? |
| 08:18.32 | MobyTurbo | bob2: you mean 64GB, not MB? |
| 08:18.36 | HansZ | hardcampa-, jup |
| 08:18.37 | TinoW | hi |
| 08:18.41 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: er, right |
| 08:18.45 | hardcampa- | =/ |
| 08:19.04 | Guerin | anyone for tennis is the worst Cream song ever |
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| 08:19.13 | Guerin | potentially even the worst Crapton song |
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| 08:19.17 | HansZ | hardcampa-, from: can't read /var/mail/socket |
| 08:19.36 | karsten | MobyTurbo: Well, given that 64 MB < 64 GB, he's technically correct.... |
| 08:19.39 | HansZ | i don't know why the hell it's searching in mail |
| 08:19.40 | TinoW | HansZ: traceback please. And code. |
| 08:19.40 | jim | Guerin: what record did that first appear on? |
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| 08:19.48 | Guerin | HansZ: #python; unless you have a real good reason why you think debian's python is crippled |
| 08:19.49 | hardcampa- | HanZ hehe me neither |
| 08:19.54 | Guerin | jim: i can't remember |
| 08:20.01 | lehel | gnome, kde ... else pls? |
| 08:20.04 | hardcampa- | HanZ normally you just do a import socket and think no more of it |
| 08:20.05 | karsten | !tell lehel about window managers for x |
| 08:20.09 | jim | I have disrali gears somewhere |
| 08:20.14 | TinoW | Guerin: while debians python is surprisingly uncrippled - compared to the other distributions :) |
| 08:20.14 | HansZ | TinoW, from socket import * |
| 08:20.18 | karsten | lehel: Look 'em over, try a few, use one you like. |
| 08:20.25 | TinoW | HansZ: thats all? |
| 08:20.26 | jasoncohen | Guerin: it doesn't seem like all the security patches are shown on packages.qa.debian.org. Nearly every gaim update is a high security priority and yet only one patch for stable shows. Wouldn't a patch be backported to stable each time? |
| 08:20.34 | HansZ | TinoW, to load the sockets? yes |
| 08:20.35 | Guerin | lehel: xfce4, openbox, enlightenment, etc. |
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| 08:20.42 | TinoW | HansZ: all in your code |
| 08:20.42 | lehel | how to remove completely Gnome? |
| 08:20.47 | jasoncohen | http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gaim.html |
| 08:20.55 | Guerin | jasoncohen: stable is old enough that its version may not be vulnerable. |
| 08:20.59 | TinoW | HansZ: btw. this is not "to load the sockets" but "to load the module" |
| 08:21.07 | jasoncohen | ah, i didn't think of that |
| 08:21.07 | hardcampa- | Which version of python is that HanZ |
| 08:21.19 | karsten | !tell lehel about remove gnome |
| 08:21.31 | Guerin | jasoncohen: I don't know specifics, but that's the normal reason for a woody version not being patched - the vulnerability was introduced after the woody version was released. |
| 08:21.32 | jasoncohen | that jigdo tool is awesome |
| 08:21.41 | lehel | thanks karsten |
| 08:21.43 | jim | yeah, isnt' that nice |
| 08:21.54 | jim | not sure why it's not used more |
| 08:21.56 | npx | i dont see why they dont use bittorrent |
| 08:21.58 | jasoncohen | but is there any reason to download 9 GB of iso's rather than doing a network install? |
| 08:22.09 | HansZ | TinoW, i've pm'd you the code |
| 08:22.10 | Guerin | no |
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| 08:22.16 | peterS | jasoncohen: there's very little reason ever to download 9 GB of iso's |
| 08:22.17 | TCJ | Is there an easy way to restore a system to the state after base installation? |
| 08:22.21 | bob2 | TCJ: no |
| 08:22.26 | Guerin | jasoncohen: there's arguable reason to download one or two isos, but not the whole lot. |
| 08:22.26 | karsten | jasoncohen: No network. Slow network. Seeding a local cache... |
| 08:22.39 | peterS | jasoncohen: you'll never need 90% of the packages on them, and the files on the ISOs are ordered by popularity, so the last few ISO images are almost never needed |
| 08:22.39 | karsten | TCJ: Reinstall it ;-) |
| 08:22.40 | jim | npx: bittorrent maintains iso images and refreshes old ones? |
| 08:22.40 | jasoncohen | peterS: unless you're on a 40 mbit/sec connection like me and it just doesn't matter, heh |
| 08:22.41 | Guerin | TCJ: yes. Reinstall. |
| 08:22.45 | jasoncohen | i could take that down in an hour |
| 08:22.46 | TCJ | bob2: damn ;-) |
| 08:23.04 | Guerin | jasoncohen: bah, that's not bandwidth. |
| 08:23.11 | TinoW | HansZ: full traceback please too, you can use http://rafb.net/paste |
| 08:23.21 | MobyTurbo | jasoncohen: the ISOs are arranged according to package popularity, so the first ISO or two is all you need assuming you have network access. |
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| 08:23.41 | MobyTurbo | jasoncohen: and with sarge, "netinst" is the way to go. |
| 08:23.42 | jasoncohen | i just downloaded the net install iso |
| 08:24.09 | jasoncohen | MobyTurbo: heh, good |
| 08:24.24 | peterS | jasoncohen: mirror bandwidth is donated but is certainly not infinite. have a little consideration for the rest of the world. don't pull a bunch of images you won't ever use, just because you're having trouble figuring out how to make use of all the bandwidth you have |
| 08:24.54 | jasoncohen | peterS: i was joking. I downloaded the net install iso and don't plan on downloading anything else |
| 08:24.57 | MobyTurbo | jasoncohen: I use netinst over *dial-up*, so surely it's practical for any amount of bandwidth. |
| 08:24.58 | jasoncohen | i just thought the feature was quite nice |
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| 08:25.08 | jim | do these isos of d-i have the extra modules (the ones from the cd driver and net driver floppies, for example) |
| 08:25.14 | jim | ? |
| 08:25.23 | Guerin | jim: yes |
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| 08:25.27 | peterS | jasoncohen: oh, good deal. I understand the difficulty of having too much bandwidth, which was articulated once by Bruce Springsteen in his song "57 channels and nothing on" |
| 08:25.29 | jasoncohen | There might be some cases where you want the isos...for example if you're going to be installing on multiple machines or on a friend's box |
| 08:25.41 | jim | so they get automatically tried, I imagine |
| 08:25.47 | Guerin | jasoncohen: two or three isos, max. |
| 08:25.48 | peterS | jasoncohen: yep. but even so you won't want more than the first couple or so |
| 08:26.03 | jasoncohen | peterS: but there's a solution to that problem with TV...get mythtv :) |
| 08:26.06 | Guerin | i did a netinstall oon my mum's laptop on 56k, it wasn't too bad |
| 08:26.11 | Guerin | overnight |
| 08:26.17 | jasoncohen | i always have something to watch |
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| 08:26.29 | peterS | jasoncohen: that song predated mythtv by at least 10 years (: |
| 08:26.29 | HansZ | Does anyone know a good _graphical_ text editor |
| 08:26.36 | Guerin | HansZ: emacs |
| 08:26.36 | bob2 | HansZ: emacs. |
| 08:26.39 | jim | you might want isos for a released debian rather than testing or especially sid |
| 08:26.44 | PerfDave | HansZ: gvim! |
| 08:26.45 | jasoncohen | peterS: and now it's 500 channels and nothing to watch |
| 08:26.49 | peterS | yep |
| 08:26.50 | EmleyMoor | Running sarge, I can't run firefox. I login using xdm and get this when I try to run firefox: |
| 08:26.54 | Guerin | bob2: straight up :) |
| 08:26.57 | peterS | but lots of infomercials |
| 08:27.02 | EmleyMoor | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 08:27.07 | jasoncohen | HansZ: mcedit |
| 08:27.11 | Guerin | 13 channels of shit on the TV to choose from |
| 08:27.17 | Guerin | but yeah, now I have 113 |
| 08:27.21 | jasoncohen | the package name is mc |
| 08:27.22 | EmleyMoor | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 08:27.22 | karsten | HansZ: cat <<EOF ! |
| 08:27.23 | bob2 | 5 here. |
| 08:27.30 | HansZ | karsten, isn't graphical :> |
| 08:27.34 | peterS | !Guerin++ # obligatory floyd |
| 08:27.37 | ledestin | EmleyMoor: xhost + might help |
| 08:27.38 | EmleyMoor | (firefox-bin:17730): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 08:27.40 | jasoncohen | is there any good reason to use vi other than self-hatred? |
| 08:27.43 | HansZ | karsten, sorry my bad.. not X-based |
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| 08:27.50 | karsten | HansZ: It is in GNOME Terminal |
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| 08:28.05 | EmleyMoor | ledestin: OK - but now I get this: |
| 08:28.10 | isotope | are there any issues with ntfs and linux now days?? |
| 08:28.11 | peterS | jasoncohen: some people really prefer it. actually, the vim version of vi has most of the useful features one would want in an editor. it's just a matter of getting yourself to enjoy the user interface |
| 08:28.18 | EmleyMoor | INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not get the plugin manager |
| 08:28.23 | HansZ | karsten, :>, i need a graphical one |
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| 08:28.35 | EmleyMoor | System error?:: Success |
| 08:28.36 | karsten | HansZ: apt-cache search editor |
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| 08:28.49 | MobyTurbo | isotope: yes, write access is poorly or not supported for NTFS |
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| 08:28.56 | PerfDave | isotope: What sort of issues did you have in mind? There's no generally writeable Free support for NTFS. |
| 08:28.59 | ledestin | EmleyMoor: your firefox is screwed. wipe your .firefox |
| 08:29.05 | karsten | HansZ: nedit probably. And emacs, xemacs, and gvim _are_ graphical. |
| 08:29.12 | isotope | ok, thats what i ment... |
| 08:29.12 | isotope | :) |
| 08:29.17 | EmleyMoor | ledestin: No .firefox |
| 08:29.17 | jasoncohen | peterS: huh...I've got pretty accusomed to using mcedit and i can get through it quickly with the keyboard commands but it's nice to have the hotkeys right there at the bottom so you can't forget |
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| 08:29.24 | jasoncohen | vim seems to make everything as hard as can be |
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| 08:29.38 | karsten | EmleyMoor: ...or mv .firefox .firefox.bak |
| 08:29.45 | EmleyMoor | No .firefox at all |
| 08:29.52 | ledestin | jasoncohen: I migrated to vim in a week |
| 08:30.00 | karsten | jasoncohen: If you know it and use it, it's fast, efficient, and powerful. YMMV. |
| 08:30.16 | HansZ | karsten, jup they are, but your example wasn't |
| 08:30.22 | MobyTurbo | jasoncohen: after a while pressing ESC in a vi clone becomes second nature, and the commands are very touch-typing friendly. |
| 08:30.23 | ChrisW | hmmm, a cron job i wrote didn't run |
| 08:30.30 | karsten | apt-proxy log: "Bad configuration Error writing file" Anyone seen that? |
| 08:30.32 | ChrisW | which log should I be looking in to find out why? |
| 08:30.54 | karsten | HansZ: I think you'll find a lot of the regulars here prefer _non_ GUI tools in general. |
| 08:31.00 | peterS | jasoncohen: yeah, if you don't have the time or inclination to really *learn* it, vi will never be anything but pain. however, if you do, it's apparently a reasonable system. (I'm in the middle. I can use vi but I haven't taken the time to *master* it, so I don't particularly enjoy it.) |
| 08:31.08 | karsten | HansZ: Browsers as the significant exception. |
| 08:31.15 | jasoncohen | if i want to do individual package selection should i do the medium or high install? |
| 08:31.27 | EmleyMoor | Still can't get firefox to run - same error |
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| 08:31.45 | MobyTurbo | !confuse jasoncohen |
| 08:31.45 | dpkg | Yes, them was your ferret today, jasoncohen? wellies of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 08:31.59 | HansZ | karsten, I don't care what other prefer |
| 08:31.59 | peterS | jasoncohen: I'm thinking it'll prompt you about that at any level. but I'd go with medium anyway |
| 08:32.02 | jasoncohen | peterS: maybe i will learn one of these days. It just put me off because it's so hard to do very basic things unless you know something to begin with |
| 08:32.13 | jasoncohen | i could do basic editing in mcedit with 0 knowledge |
| 08:32.17 | peterS | jasoncohen: right, the learning curve has a curb at the bottom |
| 08:32.19 | karsten | HansZ: If you're asking for preferences, you'll get 'em. You started it ;-) |
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| 08:32.34 | ledestin | jasoncohen: you had previous editor knowledge |
| 08:32.47 | jasoncohen | yes- but nothing specific to that editor |
| 08:32.55 | jasoncohen | i tried the usual commands to quit- q, esc |
| 08:33.00 | HansZ | karsten, I asked for graphical text-editors inside debian packages, not for textbased stuff |
| 08:33.06 | HansZ | karsten, your anonying me : |
| 08:33.09 | HansZ | karsten, :P |
| 08:33.15 | karsten | HansZ: Indeed you did. |
| 08:33.15 | tarzeau | HansZ: textedit.app |
| 08:33.16 | ledestin | jasoncohen: the common eidtor user interface is not as efficient as vim's |
| 08:33.26 | EmleyMoor | It looks like I will miss something on the radio unless I can get firefox working - unfortunately I can't tell why it isn't |
| 08:33.35 | jasoncohen | true- but efficiency isn't everything |
| 08:33.40 | jasoncohen | i guess it's a preference thing |
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| 08:33.45 | bob2 | everyone who does serious programming seems to end up using emacs or vim |
| 08:33.48 | bob2 | one or the other |
| 08:33.50 | jim | mainly so, yes... |
| 08:33.57 | ledestin | jasoncohen: I migrated in a week, and I don't look back |
| 08:33.57 | jasoncohen | there's something nice about having menus and easy to read instructions |
| 08:34.10 | jim | there is also "right tool for right job" aspect too, so don't just learn one |
| 08:34.20 | jasoncohen | ledestin: maybe the problem is that i used mandrake |
| 08:34.38 | jasoncohen | peterS: why would you go with medium over high? |
| 08:35.02 | jasoncohen | jim: what others are there? i think i've used pico and seen nano and emacs is pretty simple |
| 08:35.12 | peterS | jasoncohen: I like to see a few more questions than the bare minimum. particularly if I don't know in advance what exactly the levels will denote |
| 08:35.21 | Guerin | emacs is anything but simple |
| 08:35.30 | Guerin | but it's nice you think it appears that way :) |
| 08:35.40 | peterS | jasoncohen: emacs is only "pretty simple" to get started with. it's simple like the surface of the Indian ocean is simple |
| 08:35.47 | jasoncohen | heh, maybe i know too little about it to realize it's complex :) |
| 08:35.52 | jasoncohen | i'm too ignorant to be afraid |
| 08:35.53 | jasoncohen | lol |
| 08:36.10 | jasoncohen | peterS: and vi is the opposite |
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| 08:36.24 | jasoncohen | not too difficult to learn but frightening to start out with? |
| 08:36.34 | MobyTurbo | emacs = esc meta alt control shift |
| 08:36.52 | peterS | jasoncohen: something like that. once you get the basics down, vi is not very daunting. especially modern versions of it, where you can actually use such innovations as *arrow keys* |
| 08:36.52 | EmleyMoor | Any other clues on my firefox problem? (Could not get the plugin manager) |
| 08:36.58 | karsten | ed is the basic editor. |
| 08:37.01 | jasoncohen | i remember first seeing a vi seen...i began pressing the common buttons for tasks and i was just messing up the file...so i quit the terminal and opened with mcedit |
| 08:37.22 | karsten | peterS: ...and where it's so astoundingly verbose as to indicate _mode_. |
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| 08:37.31 | jasoncohen | peterS: ooh arrow keys...i wish all programs would implement such bleeding edge technology! |
| 08:37.33 | peterS | karsten: yeah, really |
| 08:37.43 | jasoncohen | mode? |
| 08:38.00 | peterS | jasoncohen: when vi was first released in the early 80s, many if not most terminals didn't have arrow keys. clearly vi needed to be able to get along without them |
| 08:38.17 | jasoncohen | what did they have? |
| 08:38.23 | peterS | jasoncohen: yeah, vi has two modes. commonly referred to as "the one in which it beeps" and "the one in which it doesn't" |
| 08:38.47 | peterS | jasoncohen: 80s terminals just didn't necessarily have arrow keys. thus in vi you can use 'h' to mean left arrow, 'j' to mean down, 'k' to mean up and 'l' to mean right |
| 08:38.52 | karsten | peterS: Heh. |
| 08:38.55 | nevyn | peterS: vi has MANY modes.. many more than two. |
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| 08:39.07 | nevyn | peterS: most people only use 2 or three tho. |
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| 08:39.21 | karsten | nevyn: Um. Pardon? |
| 08:39.28 | peterS | nevyn: two basic modes. you can get into other modes by performing specific commands. I suppose ex mode counts as a separate one but nobody uses that one *on purpose* |
| 08:39.33 | karsten | nevyn: "command" and "insert". |
| 08:39.42 | nevyn | karsten: visual |
| 08:39.50 | nevyn | karsten: there are about 8 |
| 08:39.54 | peterS | karsten: also ex mode, the mode you're in while doing a s///c, etc. |
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| 08:40.00 | nevyn | also ex etc. |
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| 08:40.15 | karsten | nevyn: OK. Yeah.... That's not generally what people refer to though. |
| 08:40.28 | nevyn | karsten: they are definitly different modes |
| 08:40.35 | Guerin | emacs has way more modes than vi |
| 08:40.38 | jasoncohen | so, rather than looking for packages that debian has which obviously proved to be a fruitless endeavor, can someone impart this info to me? |
| 08:40.38 | nevyn | right. |
| 08:40.43 | jasoncohen | woops |
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| 08:41.05 | Guerin | *crickets* |
| 08:41.19 | nevyn | 5. Modes, introduction *vim-modes-intro* *vim-modes* |
| 08:41.21 | nevyn | Vim has five BASIC modes: |
| 08:41.27 | jasoncohen | so, rather than looking for packages that debian does NOT have which obviously proved to be a fruitless endeavor, can someone tell me what packages debian does not have that might be useful to a desktop user? |
| 08:41.43 | nevyn | normal, command, ex, insert, visual |
| 08:41.50 | jasoncohen | i can't imagine there will be many with 16,000 packages |
| 08:41.54 | peterS | jasoncohen: mplayer is the big one people seem to want |
| 08:42.00 | karsten | nevyn: Point. |
| 08:42.05 | Guerin | jasoncohen: none. |
| 08:42.06 | peterS | jasoncohen: including the warezed win32 codecs |
| 08:42.09 | jasoncohen | peterS: but it's in marillat |
| 08:42.11 | karsten | jasoncohen: apt-cache search <expression> |
| 08:42.17 | jim | jasoncohen: yep, package-happy maints... |
| 08:42.29 | peterS | jasoncohen: lots of people want xorg but most don't know why except "I heard it's better than xfree86" |
| 08:42.30 | karsten | jasoncohen: Yes, so you add marillat sources to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:42.49 | jasoncohen | karsten: i can't- i haven't installed yet |
| 08:43.08 | jasoncohen | karsten: i've been searching the list of packages on the debian site but i can't find anything i might want |
| 08:43.14 | jasoncohen | that isn't there |
| 08:43.18 | jasoncohen | except mythtv |
| 08:43.41 | peterS | jasoncohen: check http://www.apt-get.org/ - that's a collection of repositories outside debian proper. maybe that'll give you some ideas of things you want that aren't already in debian |
| 08:43.53 | EmleyMoor | I'm getting pretty desperate for a fix to my firefox problem now - sorry to whine but it's the *one* thing I'm having real trouble with (I have also asked on firefox) |
| 08:43.55 | PerfDave | Wow, is mythtv not in Debian? |
| 08:43.57 | karsten | !tell jasoncohen about search |
| 08:43.57 | karsten | jasoncohen: packages.debian.org |
| 08:44.02 | jasoncohen | marillat doesn't seem to have w32codecs. am i missing something? |
| 08:44.20 | PerfDave | EmleyMoor: It would help if you told us what your problem was instead of whining. |
| 08:44.41 | EmleyMoor | INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not get the plugin manager |
| 08:45.10 | jasoncohen | karsten: that's where i've been looking |
| 08:45.20 | PerfDave | EmleyMoor: What version of Debian are you running, what version of Firefox, what do you do to produce this error, have you checked the BTS and Bugzilla? |
| 08:45.26 | PerfDave | EmleyMoor: Have you googled for the error message? |
| 08:45.36 | Guerin | EmleyMoor: strace |
| 08:45.42 | EmleyMoor | sarge, version from sarge, run it, no, no, no, will try |
| 08:45.47 | Solet | is there a way i can detect how much video memory a perticular video card has? |
| 08:45.50 | karsten | jasoncohen: Um. what specifically are you looking for? Other than not vim? |
| 08:45.55 | jasoncohen | karsten: does marillat include the "warezed w32codecs" under some other name? |
| 08:45.57 | PerfDave | EmleyMoor: What do you mean, "run it"? |
| 08:46.05 | TinoW | Solet: usually the driver finds out |
| 08:46.08 | EmleyMoor | jasoncohen: w32codecs are definitely in marillat |
| 08:46.08 | directhex|work | Solet, why do you need that info? |
| 08:46.09 | Guerin | jasoncohen: w32codecs |
| 08:46.18 | EmleyMoor | Typed "firefox" in shell |
| 08:46.35 | PerfDave | EmleyMoor: Has it always done this, or has it worked before? Have you tried fully reinstalling it, and deleting / moving your browser profile? |
| 08:46.36 | nunez | when I flush iptables, why does my connection stop working? |
| 08:46.37 | jasoncohen | ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/ |
| 08:46.43 | nunez | how do i just take down my firewall |
| 08:46.55 | PerfDave | nunez: A shotgun? :) |
| 08:46.58 | Solet | directhex|work: curious mostly... a guy i know says he has a bunch of old 1 and 2 mb trident cards... i use trident cards on my box theyare all old so i wanna see how much mem my have |
| 08:46.59 | EmleyMoor | PerfDave: It broke on transition to sarge. Yes. Yes. |
| 08:47.01 | Guerin | nunez: a bigger fire |
| 08:47.20 | TinoW | nunez: /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 08:47.22 | karsten | jasoncohen: w32codecs |
| 08:47.53 | karsten | jasoncohen: debian-marillat sources. |
| 08:47.59 | jasoncohen | yeah- i don't see it in testing or unstable and neither does the firefox search for w32codecs |
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| 08:48.17 | TinoW | nunez: /etc/init.d/iptables clear |
| 08:48.20 | directhex|work | Solet, i don't know of a way to do it. hwinfo appears not to report it |
| 08:48.26 | EmleyMoor | Guerin: strace firefox garbles my xterm |
| 08:48.30 | jasoncohen | i'm browsing marillat's ftp server |
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| 08:48.35 | TinoW | nunez: but bad idea if you are using it for nat ;) |
| 08:48.46 | EmleyMoor | jasoncohen: Just add marillat's lines to your apt sources.list |
| 08:48.54 | jasoncohen | um...but w32codecs is in stable? |
| 08:48.58 | karsten | jasoncohen: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
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| 08:49.05 | EmleyMoor | w32codecs is in both stable and testing |
| 08:49.08 | evl | if I add sources to sources.list, can I control what packages that should be made available from the source? |
| 08:49.17 | karsten | jasoncohen: It's there. |
| 08:49.17 | karsten | jasoncohen: I'm reading this out of my _Packages list. |
| 08:49.27 | jasoncohen | but why can't i see it on the ftp server? |
| 08:49.29 | karsten | evl: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 08:49.33 | jasoncohen | ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/ |
| 08:49.33 | as13 | is it still impossible to burn cds for non-root users in 2.6? |
| 08:49.37 | EmleyMoor | jasoncohen: Why is that important? |
| 08:49.37 | jasoncohen | i only see it in stable. isn't that odd? |
| 08:49.45 | jasoncohen | well- where is it downloading from? |
| 08:49.46 | karsten | jasoncohen: NFC, I've got no idea what you're looking at. |
| 08:49.59 | EmleyMoor | Just add the line and let aptitude do the rest |
| 08:50.04 | jasoncohen | i'm looking at the line above |
| 08:50.13 | jasoncohen | EmleyMoor: ok |
| 08:50.32 | karsten | jasoncohen: Shut up for five minutes while I look this up over a saturated dialup line and I'll tell you. |
| 08:50.49 | jasoncohen | karsten: will do :) |
| 08:50.59 | Guerin | EmleyMoor: man strace |
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| 08:51.51 | karsten | jasoncohen: ...or you can ftp to ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ and find the Packages file yourself. |
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| 08:52.59 | jasoncohen | karsten: i'm there and i see no w32codecs |
| 08:53.08 | Nethernet | Ok, I've got a problem. I've got a running screen session that I can't reattatch to. It thinks it's got an active login, there's a dead SSHD process i can't kill |
| 08:53.11 | Solet | is mirror.direct.ca having issues or am i the only one that cant resolve it |
| 08:53.27 | karsten | Nethernet: screen -rd <screenid> |
| 08:53.35 | Nethernet | i can do screen -dr karsten =] |
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| 08:53.40 | snow_ru | checking for stl.h... no |
| 08:53.40 | snow_ru | configure: error: This program requires STL to compile. Sorry. |
| 08:53.46 | snow_ru | how can i solve this ? |
| 08:53.46 | resiak | as13: You install the cdrecord binary suid. |
| 08:53.47 | Nethernet | the problem is that screen hangs when i try to do that |
| 08:53.54 | resiak | !b-e snow_ru |
| 08:53.55 | dpkg | snow_ru: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 08:54.05 | karsten | Nethernet: 'screen -ls' Does it list as defunct? |
| 08:54.07 | Nethernet | the last time this happened to me, i needed to kill the dead SSH processes |
| 08:54.07 | snow_ru | ? |
| 08:54.10 | snow_ru | means ? |
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| 08:54.15 | jasoncohen | karsten: i'm having the same issue. I see i t stable but not in testing or unstable. |
| 08:54.17 | karsten | Solet: mirror.direct.ca is an alias for mirror.look.ca. |
| 08:54.17 | Nethernet | no, it's not defuncy |
| 08:54.21 | karsten | Solet: mirror.look.ca has address 207.136.100.89 |
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| 08:54.30 | Nethernet | and the apps multiplexed by it are running fine |
| 08:54.35 | Nethernet | ping 'overand' if you want =] |
| 08:54.38 | Solet | hrm... my debian box is having issues then |
| 08:54.45 | karsten | jasoncohen: Perhaps it's in stable only. |
| 08:54.50 | snow_ru | resiak, what should I do |
| 08:55.00 | EmleyMoor | karsten: I have it in testing |
| 08:55.00 | resiak | snow_ru: Install build-essential? |
| 08:55.04 | karsten | jasoncohen: ..um, no, I have it in unstable's package list. |
| 08:55.16 | karsten | EmleyMoor: Ack. |
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| 08:55.35 | Nethernet | i can't kill these SSHD processes. i've KILLed them, and waited, and waited, and i've tried kill -kill |
| 08:55.44 | EmleyMoor | The "It's there, just trust it" model of working works well |
| 08:55.49 | notty | i want to get to ip 82.78.27.1 through a second gate way (172.17.7.1) what do i add this route ? |
| 08:55.52 | jasoncohen | karsten: any idea what's going on? |
| 08:55.53 | Nethernet | one of them is listed as defunct |
| 08:56.32 | as13 | resiak sure i do, but it doesnt work with 2.6 kernel and ide burner |
| 08:56.36 | Nethernet | oh btw |
| 08:56.53 | resiak | as13: worksforme. |
| 08:56.57 | karsten | jasoncohen: Yes. "receiving data" very slowly. |
| 08:57.09 | EmleyMoor | OK - I think the problem is that "the plugin manager" whatever that is is missing - where do I get it from? |
| 08:57.14 | karsten | Nethernet: 'kill -9' ? |
| 08:57.32 | Nethernet | karsten: still there |
| 08:57.35 | jasoncohen | karsten: i'll just wait patiently and continue to read the install howto |
| 08:58.29 | Nethernet | I'd really hate to have to reboot this system and lose everything inside SCREEN right now |
| 08:58.30 | karsten | Nethernet: Got 'pstree' on your system? Kill parent? |
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| 08:59.02 | karsten | Nethernet: What's inside screen may well be gone. |
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| 08:59.08 | bob2 | notty: ip route add 82.78.27.1/32 dev $blah via 172.17.7.1 |
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| 08:59.36 | Nethernet | karsten: it's not 'gone' |
| 08:59.38 | resiak | as13: Do you feel like defining "doesn't work"? |
| 08:59.39 | Nethernet | it's still running |
| 08:59.43 | Nethernet | and i HAVE had this problem before |
| 08:59.45 | resiak | as13: Are you sure your user is in the appropriate group? |
| 08:59.47 | Nethernet | or at least a similar one |
| 08:59.51 | EmleyMoor | I am at the end of my tether with firefox |
| 08:59.55 | as13 | resiak are you using ATA:1,1,0 ? |
| 08:59.57 | calamari | hi |
| 09:00.00 | Nethernet | i mean i'll live if i lose the stuff, there's nothing not backed up |
| 09:00.03 | Nethernet | but it's really obnoxious |
| 09:00.05 | resiak | as13: I'm using gnome-baker! |
| 09:00.18 | Nethernet | having to reboot linux because of a SOFTWARE problem? |
| 09:00.42 | Nethernet | also, yes i ran pstree |
| 09:00.47 | as13 | resiak yes, group cdrom etc, but baker uses cdrecord anyway |
| 09:00.47 | EmleyMoor | I'm just getting nowhere with it |
| 09:00.52 | Nethernet | the only parent i haven't killed is the very root SSHD process |
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| 09:00.59 | Nethernet | i could try killing that |
| 09:01.07 | Nethernet | it should autorestart... |
| 09:01.08 | Nethernet | right? |
| 09:01.09 | karsten | jasoncohen: I think what you want is this: ftp://ftp.nerim.net:/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/Contents-i386.gz |
| 09:01.14 | resiak | as13: Exactly. I have NFI what flags I'm using. |
| 09:01.23 | Nethernet | otherwise it's going to be an interesting night |
| 09:01.31 | Nethernet | incidentally, my serial terminal seems to not be working |
| 09:01.33 | Nethernet | same with USB |
| 09:01.35 | Nethernet | hmm... |
| 09:01.35 | as13 | resiak can you copy part of its output |
| 09:01.45 | Nethernet | maybe something 'larger' is wrong on that box |
| 09:01.51 | resiak | as13: Can _you_ define "not working"? |
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| 09:02.10 | as13 | resiak cdrecord: Cannot allocate memory. Cannot get SCSI I/O buffer. |
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| 09:02.31 | resiak | as13: Which goes away as root? |
| 09:02.45 | as13 | resiak yes |
| 09:02.52 | karsten | Nethernet: Possible. Local or remote? |
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| 09:03.13 | Nethernet | karsten: local. |
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| 09:03.17 | Nethernet | but... more or less headless |
| 09:03.19 | as13 | resiak -rwsr-xr-- 1 root cdrom /usr/bin/cdrecord |
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| 09:03.37 | Nethernet | i need to install a soundcard anyway, i guess i could take this opportunity. meh |
| 09:03.47 | karsten | Nethernet: Can you access the box w/ another session? |
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| 09:03.51 | Nethernet | yeah |
| 09:03.54 | Nethernet | i can ssh in just fine |
| 09:04.10 | Nethernet | otherwise how would i be killing all these apps? oh. right, you didn't know it was headless |
| 09:04.27 | Nethernet | but i'm worried that if i kill the 'root' sshd process, it won't restart |
| 09:04.34 | Nethernet | and i'll have to put on pant and go downstairs =] |
| 09:04.37 | resiak | as13: uname -r ? |
| 09:04.38 | Nethernet | pants. |
| 09:04.46 | eonn | hey guys can anyone recommend a utility for sharing Contacts, Calander & Task List amoungst outlook users? |
| 09:04.47 | EmleyMoor | Is there a tool which will tell me which, if any, package an installed file belongs to? |
| 09:04.56 | Guerin | !tell EmleyMoor about search |
| 09:04.59 | bob2 | eonn: windows with outlook |
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| 09:05.20 | karsten | Nethernet: Killing sshd *won't* kill your active SSH sessions. |
| 09:05.22 | eonn | bob2: yeah |
| 09:05.31 | Nethernet | hrm |
| 09:05.37 | as13 | resiak 2.6.10silver1 |
| 09:05.40 | PerfDave | eonn: Don't Evolution have some kind of Exchange replacement? |
| 09:05.41 | karsten | EmleyMoor: dpkg -S <file> |
| 09:05.52 | Nethernet | karsten: so how DO i kill an active ssh session? |
| 09:05.57 | resiak | as13: To be honest, I have absolutely no idea. |
| 09:05.59 | EmleyMoor | I'm trying :-) |
| 09:06.10 | EmleyMoor | Trying to clear out all Mozilla-related directories |
| 09:06.13 | PerfDave | EmleyMoor: Yes, you're very trying ;) |
| 09:06.33 | Nethernet | haha |
| 09:06.37 | karsten | Nethernet: Well, it _may_ let the one that's not dying, die, if it's blocking on parent. |
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| 09:06.53 | karsten | Nethernet: Might want to see what fds it has open (/proc/<pid>/fd) |
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| 09:06.58 | EmleyMoor | PerfDave: No, firefox is. I didn't deliberately break it nor ask it to break |
| 09:07.00 | sirmaxworld^ibm | hi all |
| 09:07.03 | as13 | resiak i see, but can you find string describing scsidev: 'ATA:1,1,0' in yours cdrecord output please? |
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| 09:07.05 | Nethernet | karsten: k |
| 09:07.05 | sirmaxworld^ibm | where I can chage the clock in debian to utc?? |
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| 09:07.22 | karsten | sirmaxworld^ibm: man hwclock |
| 09:07.27 | airox | Nethernet: kill `cat /var/run/sshd.pid` |
| 09:07.32 | sirmaxworld^ibm | karsten, thx |
| 09:07.45 | airox | errrr |
| 09:07.53 | airox | Nethernet: Well that's the sshd deamon :] |
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| 09:08.27 | Nethernet | ok let's back up a level |
| 09:08.34 | Nethernet | in /proc/pid/fd |
| 09:08.38 | Nethernet | what the heck am i looking at |
| 09:08.50 | Nethernet | 0, 1, 2 are links to /dev/null |
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| 09:08.55 | karsten | Nethernet: Anything unusual the process has open. |
| 09:08.57 | Nethernet | and 4 and 5 are sockets |
| 09:09.05 | karsten | Nethernet: ...and does the process list as 'zombie'? |
| 09:09.13 | Nethernet | nothing zomie |
| 09:09.14 | Nethernet | well |
| 09:09.16 | Nethernet | 'defunct' |
| 09:09.18 | Nethernet | one of them is |
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| 09:09.22 | as13 | resiak its as easy as cdrecord -v blank=fast|grep scsidev |
| 09:09.25 | Nethernet | there's the sshd running as root that's the parent |
| 09:09.30 | Nethernet | and the sshd that's running as said user |
| 09:09.35 | jbmigel | so when i turn my comp on kde tells me im using like 70MB ram... then after a couple days messing around if i close all applications i opened it says im using like 200MB, is there some memory leak there or am i missing somehting |
| 09:09.44 | Nethernet | the one running as said user is defunct |
| 09:09.54 | karsten | Nethernet: cat /proc/<pid>/status |
| 09:10.11 | Nethernet | state: disk sleep |
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| 09:10.35 | Nethernet | ah |
| 09:10.39 | Nethernet | the child is zombie |
| 09:10.43 | karsten | Nethernet: Curious. |
| 09:10.53 | PerfDave | jbmigel: It might be used just for caching stuff. Linux in general tends to use as much RAM as it can grab. |
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| 09:11.11 | jethro | good morning #debian |
| 09:11.11 | Jon | hi, dpkg's entry for itself has the url <http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot> which throws a 404. |
| 09:11.22 | as13 | jbmigel i think its cache |
| 09:11.23 | Nethernet | and i can't get into /proc/(pid)/fd in the child |
| 09:11.24 | karsten | Nethernet: OK. |
| 09:11.26 | resiak | as13: That fails dismally. Hang on, I'll dig out gnome-baker. |
| 09:11.34 | axelx123 | axelx123 i try to run Kylix on Debian |
| 09:11.44 | EmleyMoor | Looks like I'm finally getting somewhere :-) |
| 09:11.53 | karsten | Nethernet: I'm not certain you'd be able to. |
| 09:12.01 | Nethernet | karsten: i did mention that i'm Overand, right? |
| 09:12.04 | as13 | resiak oh you should have inserted an blank or unneeded rw cd.. sorry |
| 09:12.44 | Nethernet | should i try killing the root sshd process? |
| 09:12.51 | Nethernet | the top one, sorry |
| 09:12.54 | MobyTurbo | axelx123: kylix hasn't been kept up to date by Borland (or whatever they call themselves now) for a long time, it basically is unusable with any modern distribution. |
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| 09:13.17 | resiak | as13: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc gracetime=2 speed=10 -v -eject -dummy driveropts=burnfree -multi /tmp/GnomeBaker/will/gnomebaker_create_data_cd.iso # I had inserted a disc. This is what gnome-baker runs, and it works just fine. |
| 09:13.35 | resiak | as13: You're not supposed to use ide-scsi on >= 2.6.7 |
| 09:13.39 | axelx123 | but i have Kylix2! |
| 09:13.47 | jbmigel | PerfDave in my TOP output the used value goes to max very fast after couple apps opened, and the cached value also goes up, linux is caching lots at the start, but over days the cached value is decresing but the used is not... |
| 09:13.58 | karsten | Nethernet: No. |
| 09:14.01 | Nethernet | heh |
| 09:14.16 | karsten | Nethernet: Who's Overand? |
| 09:14.16 | as13 | resiak i do not, but i realy missed smth as i see,thanks |
| 09:14.29 | MobyTurbo | axelx123: so? |
| 09:14.30 | resiak | as13: Well, why are you grepping for scsidev ? |
| 09:14.34 | ChrisW | hmm, what's the correct way to name a mailer-specific header to be inserted when my app sends mails? |
| 09:14.37 | Nethernet | karsten: ... nevermind, i thought we'd talked before, with me as 'overand' |
| 09:14.41 | Nethernet | nevermind then =] |
| 09:14.41 | resiak | as13: dev=/dev/hdc is the crucial line, o/c. |
| 09:14.48 | ChrisW | X-whatever? |
| 09:14.52 | ChrisW | or something else? |
| 09:14.57 | karsten | Nethernet: Memory suggests same. |
| 09:15.10 | Nethernet | i'd check in irssi to see if the window was still up |
| 09:15.16 | Nethernet | BUT I CAN'T REATTATCH TO SCREEN |
| 09:15.17 | Nethernet | heh |
| 09:15.30 | as13 | resiak cause it called it scsidev anyway for some reason,thanks |
| 09:15.34 | Nethernet | well from what 'dpkg' the bot hasto say about the zombie, it seems like i should kill the parent |
| 09:15.34 | airox | Nethernet: What does it say ? |
| 09:15.36 | resiak | as13: *shrug* |
| 09:15.43 | resiak | Nethernet: Kill init! |
| 09:15.48 | Nethernet | airox: what does what say? |
| 09:15.52 | Nethernet | resiak: heh |
| 09:15.56 | Nethernet | not THAT parent-y |
| 09:15.58 | karsten | resiak: Hrm. |
| 09:16.05 | axelx123 | MobyTurbo it's not so old... |
| 09:16.06 | resiak | karsten: ! |
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| 09:16.11 | airox | Nethernet: screen. |
| 09:16.34 | Nethernet | airox: nothing. it hangs when i try to reattatch |
| 09:16.46 | Nethernet | i've had this problem before with improperly terminated ssh sessions |
| 09:16.48 | jbmigel | PerfDave rofl i had xmms open in back screen using mega mem... lol everything fine ignore the nub. |
| 09:16.51 | karsten | davidw: Wingdings! |
| 09:16.58 | Nethernet | when you try to screen -dr or -Dr, it just hangs |
| 09:17.01 | EmleyMoor | Is there a dedicated installer for RealPlayer 10 or should I just do it the ordinary way? |
| 09:17.03 | antony | how can i see what my "serif" font is set to? |
| 09:17.17 | karsten | davidw: Confirm your encoding is appropriate. |
| 09:17.26 | airox | Nethernet: ah. |
| 09:17.40 | davidw | my encoding? I just want to see the site with the right characters |
| 09:17.49 | karsten | EmleyMoor: Oh ghod. Realplayer _bites_. |
| 09:17.54 | Nethernet | hence my intense desire to Kill this darn sshd |
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| 09:18.25 | EmleyMoor | karsten: OK, what doesn't bite but will interface with firefox to enable me to listen to out-of-area BBC radio? |
| 09:18.37 | Nethernet | davidw: in your browser, set the 'encoding' to chinese |
| 09:18.39 | karsten | davidw: Yes. Your encoding is part of the issue. Should be Chiniese (simplified|traditional) or somesuch. |
| 09:18.48 | Nethernet | davidw: what browser do you use? |
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| 09:18.54 | davidw | firefox |
| 09:18.58 | karsten | EmleyMoor: IIRC BBC streams oggs. |
| 09:18.59 | Nethernet | in firefox: view - encoding |
| 09:19.02 | davidw | I don't want to see most sites in chinese though... |
| 09:19.07 | resiak | karsten: YDNRC. |
| 09:19.09 | Nethernet | ugh |
| 09:19.10 | davidw | the problem isn't that it's giving me english instead of chinese |
| 09:19.18 | Nethernet | davidw: GO TO THE VIEW MENU |
| 09:19.20 | Nethernet | GO TO ENCODING |
| 09:19.22 | Nethernet | CHANGE IT TO CHINESE |
| 09:19.23 | Nethernet | please. |
| 09:19.27 | karsten | EmleyMoor: Which would mean xmms possibly. |
| 09:19.28 | karsten | resiak: ?? |
| 09:19.29 | Nethernet | try both ones |
| 09:19.33 | EmleyMoor | How do I tell the site I want that? |
| 09:19.34 | Nethernet | or set it to 'eastern' |
| 09:19.39 | resiak | EmleyMoor: You can just install RealPlayer ... but make sure it installs to /opt or /usr/local . It also doesn't work too well :) |
| 09:19.45 | resiak | karsten: !! |
| 09:19.49 | resiak | karsten: 10:15 < karsten> resiak: Hrm. |
| 09:19.56 | karsten | davidw: It's not the *language*, it's what your browser knows to *display* for _fonts_. |
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| 09:20.05 | EmleyMoor | Am I better with the basic installer or aliening the rpm? |
| 09:20.06 | karsten | resiak: YDRNC? |
| 09:20.12 | davidw | it should autodetect it |
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| 09:20.27 | Nethernet | davidw: it should autodetect if IF YOU HAVE IT SET TO AUTODETECT |
| 09:20.37 | Nethernet | just follow our #@$% instructions and tell us if it works |
| 09:20.44 | davidw | norox, it doesn't work. |
| 09:20.51 | davidw | stupid auto completion |
| 09:20.57 | karsten | davidw: URL? |
| 09:21.03 | Nethernet | yeah, really |
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| 09:21.20 | Nethernet | davidw: did you go to view - character encoding - autodetect - chinese? |
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| 09:21.44 | Nethernet | or view - character encoding - and pick one of the chinese NOT autodetect ones? |
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| 09:21.52 | davidw | Nethernet, yep |
| 09:21.53 | resiak | karsten: You do not remember correctly. Or rather, you remember that they _did_ stream Vorbis... |
| 09:21.57 | Nethernet | and it doesn't work? |
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| 09:22.09 | Guerin | autodecetion is dicey, and it depends on the whims of site designers |
| 09:22.15 | davidw | let's see if their big5 site works |
| 09:22.19 | yoo | lu all ! |
| 09:22.20 | Guerin | which, in china, and in korea, are typically pretty vague |
| 09:22.27 | resiak | What's wrong with people _adding_the_encoding_ to the headers? |
| 09:22.36 | Nethernet | resiak: laziness |
| 09:22.42 | Guerin | resiak: does frontpage support that? |
| 09:22.43 | Nethernet | or just ignorance |
| 09:22.47 | Nethernet | Guerin: heh |
| 09:22.49 | FlopsyPete | I've installed Slash, the installer said 'be sure you have mod_perl in httpd.conf', when I go to a page like index.pl I get "Internal Server Error". do I have to install a specific mod-perl package to have Perl work? |
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| 09:22.56 | davidw | let's try with debian.org, that's got chinese... |
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| 09:23.04 | Guerin | FlopsyPete: logs |
| 09:23.27 | davidw | nope, that's not working either... hrm hrm.... I must be missing somethng |
| 09:23.53 | PerfDave | FlopsyPete: apt-cache search apache mod perl |
| 09:24.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:24.07 | Guerin | !beer Nethernet |
| 09:24.14 | Guerin | easy tiger |
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| 09:24.17 | jasoncohen | i've read through the installation howto however I'm wondering how easy to use the partition utility is. It seems easy from what I've read but I've never used a non-GUI partition utility before |
| 09:24.20 | karsten | davidw: FWIW, xnhuanet.com comes over as "Chinese Simplified (GB2312)". And has badly-formed glyphs here. |
| 09:24.34 | bob2 | jasoncohen: try it and see, it's very simple |
| 09:24.39 | jasoncohen | ok |
| 09:24.42 | Nethernet | bodingtons bitter |
| 09:24.42 | Guerin | trivial |
| 09:24.45 | Dewi | davidw: stop being popular, otherwise I have to take my first name off highlight |
| 09:24.46 | Nethernet | bodd, een |
| 09:24.57 | jasoncohen | bob2: is there anything i should take special care to do or check for when installing? |
| 09:25.05 | sirmaxworld^ibm | wie stelle ich thunderbird unter debian ein , dass er aus meinem bereits existierenden archiev emails laden soll? |
| 09:25.07 | jasoncohen | i'm doing a net-install |
| 09:25.09 | Nethernet | well, killing the sshd parent didn't help |
| 09:25.12 | Guerin | jasoncohen: don't partition over anything you want to keep |
| 09:25.14 | bob2 | jasoncohen: make sure you check very very very carefully what the partitioner wants to do |
| 09:25.16 | Nethernet | also, it appears it *didn't* restart itself |
| 09:25.16 | MobyTurbo | !german |
| 09:25.17 | dpkg | german is, like, #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 09:25.20 | bob2 | yeah, what Guerin said |
| 09:25.33 | FlopsyPete | Guerin: I'm checking, thanks |
| 09:25.43 | karsten | jasoncohen: It's almost as easy as ubuntu's |
| 09:25.45 | Guerin | sirmaxworld^ibm: you will get a chance to import your email into thunderbird, yes |
| 09:25.55 | karsten | sirmaxworld^ibm: #debian-de bitte |
| 09:25.59 | jasoncohen | hmm maybe i'll do the partitioning in mdk for that extra margin of safety |
| 09:26.05 | Guerin | why? |
| 09:26.09 | FlopsyPete | PerfDave: I did that which is why I'm asking if any of them should be installed, i.e. libapache-mod-perl is, but apache-perl isn't |
| 09:26.16 | karsten | sirmaxworld^ibm: Oder schreibe aufe englisch. |
| 09:26.18 | Guerin | debian's partition tools are really, really straightforward |
| 09:26.22 | exerd | tell me a good backup program |
| 09:26.28 | jasoncohen | Guerin: ok, if you say so |
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| 09:26.34 | karsten | exerd: tar |
| 09:26.36 | davidw | perhaps I need some new fonts.... mmmm I see there is a chinese-s... let's check that out |
| 09:26.46 | jasoncohen | but i think i had to use cfdisk in knoppmyth when i did a custom install and it wasn't easy |
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| 09:26.59 | exerd | karsten, just tar? |
| 09:26.59 | Guerin | FlopsyPete: apache-perl is apache with mod_perl built in. if you have mod-per, you don't need it. |
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| 09:27.06 | karsten | exerd: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html |
| 09:27.08 | MobyTurbo | jasoncohen: Sarge has its own partitioner now |
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| 09:27.14 | exerd | karsten, tnc |
| 09:27.15 | davidw | karsten, eventually, that site should work, but for testing, I suppose the debian site is just as good... and less cluttered to look at |
| 09:27.15 | Guerin | exerd: for a little bit more sophistication, rsnapshot |
| 09:27.16 | exerd | karsten, tnx |
| 09:27.40 | karsten | exerd: If you'll tell us more about your specific needs, requirements, and hardware, I can expand on that. But that's what I prefer. |
| 09:27.42 | jasoncohen | why does debian do a minimal install, reboot, and then install the rest of the packages? |
| 09:27.49 | jasoncohen | why not do it all at once? |
| 09:27.52 | Nethernet | haha |
| 09:28.01 | PerfDave | FlopsyPete: Look at the package descriptions :) |
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| 09:28.06 | karsten | jasoncohen: because at some point you've got to reboot. |
| 09:28.14 | Nethernet | i just watched my IRSSI client timeout on efnet |
| 09:28.21 | Nethernet | looks like all the crap running in SCREEN died |
| 09:28.22 | karsten | jasoncohen: ...and when you're installing, you're really running an existing system (from the installer). |
| 09:28.28 | jasoncohen | true- i guess it's just what i'm used to from seeing FC3 and mdk install |
| 09:28.36 | Nethernet | time to go downstairs and install the soundcard, reboot, and hope for the best |
| 09:28.48 | exerd | karsten, i want to backup the whole system settings if something happens |
| 09:29.02 | Nethernet | heh |
| 09:29.04 | Nethernet | interesting |
| 09:29.13 | jasoncohen | is aptitude the cli version of synaptic? |
| 09:29.14 | Nethernet | maybe it *wasn't* dead, that one only died after i did shutdown -h |
| 09:29.15 | Nethernet | oh well |
| 09:29.25 | antony | how can i see what my "serif" font is set to? |
| 09:29.26 | Nethernet | this is easier than fixing it anyway |
| 09:29.32 | Guerin | jasoncohen: no. |
| 09:29.32 | karsten | exerd: ...onto what? |
| 09:29.32 | karsten | jasoncohen: More or less, yes. |
| 09:29.37 | Guerin | it's not |
| 09:29.48 | exerd | karsten, cd-r or dvd-r |
| 09:29.52 | karsten | Guerin: ?? |
| 09:29.58 | Guerin | synaptic is a front to apt-*, and exhibits apt-* behavior, not aptitude behavior |
| 09:30.03 | exerd | karsten, just if something happens because i run unstable sid |
| 09:30.10 | jasoncohen | what's aptitude behavior? |
| 09:30.11 | Guerin | at least, that's what I'm given to believe |
| 09:30.16 | karsten | jasoncohen: Both aptitude and synaptic are package management tools. You can use either (or both) on your system. |
| 09:30.18 | Guerin | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 09:30.33 | karsten | jasoncohen: aptitude is CLI or curses (terminal) based. Synaptic is GUI. |
| 09:30.43 | karsten | Guerin: Really? |
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| 09:31.04 | karsten | exerd: backup to optical media is slow and tedious, but better than nothing. |
| 09:31.05 | jasoncohen | karsten: i know...i meant other than that obvious difference |
| 09:31.20 | Guerin | karsten: i was told so on here by someone who I didn't immediately think "full of shit" |
| 09:31.29 | Guerin | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 09:31.32 | MobyTurbo | aptitude installs by default "reccomended" packages, like dselect, while synaptic *always* installs only dependencies like apt-get |
| 09:31.45 | exerd | karsten, hmm ok but the problem is that i have never backed up before so i dont even know where to start. |
| 09:31.52 | karsten | Guerin: What were _they_ doing here? |
| 09:31.59 | karsten | Guerin: ...talk about fish-out-of-water. |
| 09:32.02 | Guerin | i know |
| 09:32.12 | karsten | Guerin: jasoncohen may not be hip to differences between aptitude and apt. |
| 09:32.15 | EmleyMoor | exerd: There's a useful script called cdbackup which helps you make cd-spanning backups |
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| 09:32.43 | exerd | EmleyMoor, thanks! i will download that one then! |
| 09:32.44 | karsten | exerd: OK. The page I pointed you to walks through what to back up. |
| 09:32.55 | karsten | exerd: How is clearly going to be slightly different in your case. |
| 09:33.01 | EmleyMoor | (it's a wrapper around cdrecord, fwiw) |
| 09:33.05 | jethro | somebody call 911 |
| 09:33.20 | exerd | whats a wrapper? =( |
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| 09:33.43 | directhex|work | an app which "wraps arround" a more complex app |
| 09:33.53 | EmleyMoor | Basically, it means that cdbackup calls cdrecord to do the actual writing - but handles the streaming and calculating itself |
| 09:33.53 | directhex|work | e.g. a pretty gui for a complex command-line tool |
| 09:33.54 | Guerin | karsten: both aptitude and synaptic depend on the same things; synaptic doesn't depend on aptitude. |
| 09:33.59 | Guerin | this may or may not be relevant |
| 09:34.09 | Solet | Incase anyone cares, i got my pyrimidal screen layout to work.... finally |
| 09:34.19 | jethro | !win Solet |
| 09:34.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, Solet! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
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| 09:35.01 | karsten | Guerin: Hrm. |
| 09:35.23 | jasoncohen | MobyTurbo: yeah, i've been reading about how aptitude downloads recommended packages. This post recommends always using aptitude rather than apt-get - http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/07/msg02135.html |
| 09:36.46 | karsten | jasoncohen: It's also written by the guy who's done much of Debian's package management system. |
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| 09:37.28 | jasoncohen | a friend of mine is doing a net install of debian now and he wants to know how many MB he the default "desktop environment" seleciton is |
| 09:38.16 | karsten | jasoncohen: 4-6 GB for a decent desktop, more if you can allocate it. |
| 09:38.17 | jbmigel | jasoncohen it is huge it does both kde and gnome and extra stuff too like appz |
| 09:38.21 | karsten | jasoncohen: Dual boot? |
| 09:38.23 | Solet | ummm.... just a guess but i'd say have 6 gig |
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| 09:39.12 | karsten | jasoncohen: ...actual package size is considerably less. |
| 09:39.12 | jasoncohen | i'm not sure. i'll ask |
| 09:39.34 | jasoncohen | karsten: i think he means just for the desktop environment packages (KDE/Gnome) - not how much space he needs |
| 09:40.05 | karsten | jasoncohen: Packages include their size among stats. |
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| 09:40.24 | jbmigel | jasoncohen its way smaller if he just adds his prefered desktop and apps later if he knows what he wants |
| 09:40.28 | jasoncohen | he's doing a command line aptitude install so that's probably why |
| 09:40.31 | Grant | Anyone help me out with the error im getting? May 13 06:47:31 localhost postfix/cleanup[14386]: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 09:40.41 | karsten | jasoncohen: List packages. "apt-cache show <packagename>" or look through the *_Packages file. |
| 09:40.48 | jasoncohen | he has 80 gb and it's not dual boot. I think he wants to know how long it will take to DL |
| 09:40.48 | karsten | jasoncohen: Probably a few hundred MB. |
| 09:41.03 | Phated | What, 80 gig and the guy is on dialup? |
| 09:41.04 | jasoncohen | doesn't it tell you how much it needs to download? |
| 09:41.09 | jasoncohen | no- cable |
| 09:41.12 | jasoncohen | but his cable connection sucks |
| 09:41.31 | Phated | Hah. |
| 09:41.42 | jbmigel | jasoncohen total install is like 30 mins broadband with their bloated desktop selection, and im in canada |
| 09:41.44 | jasoncohen | so, aptitude doesn't tell you how much it's downloading? |
| 09:42.38 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: I wouldn't bother using the "Desktop Environment" task if you're netinstalling. It's pretty huge and contains an awful lot of crap you don't need. |
| 09:42.56 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 09:43.09 | exerd | I use unstable debian and want to do backup if something bad happens someday when i apt-get upgrade. What files are important to back up if the system wont start some day? |
| 09:43.33 | jasoncohen | PerfDave: thanks |
| 09:43.42 | jethro | !tell exerd -about sid faq |
| 09:43.43 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: You'll need to install xserver-xfree86 as well |
| 09:43.57 | karsten | exerd: Read the link I shot you |
| 09:43.57 | karsten | exerd: /home, /etc, /usr/local, bits of /var |
| 09:44.09 | jasoncohen | his install already started. I don't think he has a choice at this point. He's not fond of reading manuals apparently |
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| 09:44.27 | jbmigel | PerfDave xserver-xfree86 never works for me it only works if i install x-window-system |
| 09:45.04 | exerd | tnx karsten but i have my mp3folder in /home so that would take a lot of space |
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| 09:45.27 | Overand | well |
| 09:45.28 | Overand | i'm back |
| 09:45.35 | karsten | exerd: Then don't back _that_ up. |
| 09:45.41 | Overand | course the soundcard seems to not work, heh |
| 09:45.56 | Overand | NOTHING LIKE INSTALLING HARDWARE IN A SHUTTLE XPC AT 5 AM |
| 09:46.09 | exerd | karsten, ok but how can i make it back up everything in home except that folder O_o |
| 09:46.22 | Noid | exerd: yes, don't back it up... it will be fun to download it again when your hdd dies |
| 09:46.23 | karsten | exerd: man tar |
| 09:46.28 | Solet | after putting in a new pci card whats the command to make the pc look at it and decide its there? |
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| 09:46.55 | exerd | Noid, i dont want to back up 50 mb |
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| 09:47.02 | exerd | 50gb i mena |
| 09:47.04 | EmleyMoor | Hint: Do not alien the RealPlayer rpm - it won't work with firefox... use the .bin and it works |
| 09:47.06 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 09:47.14 | freewoody | I can't send mails from Exim |
| 09:47.33 | EmleyMoor | freewoody: What happens? |
| 09:47.41 | npx | can you change the bg/fg colors of a running xterm? |
| 09:47.53 | jbmigel | Solet was your new hardware not detected at boot? |
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| 09:48.07 | freewoody | I get this in my log |
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| 09:48.10 | freewoody | R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
| 09:48.12 | karsten | !tell freewoody about smart questions |
| 09:48.12 | sly008 | Which ethernet driver do I need to use for my HP notebook card which is AMDtek? |
| 09:48.15 | Noid | exerd: your choice. But when your hdd fails (and it will, eventually) you will be glad you did a backup (besides, 50/4=13 dvds for backup, it's not THAT much) |
| 09:48.19 | Solet | jbmigel: i'm trying to learn how to upgrade on the fly |
| 09:48.25 | Solet | i booted then added hard ware |
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| 09:48.47 | Solet | i know that hardware can be added removed on the fly i just dont know how |
| 09:48.48 | jbmigel | Solet you mean to say you hot swapped a pci card? |
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| 09:49.02 | Solet | not swap... added new |
| 09:49.14 | karsten | npx: No. |
| 09:49.20 | exerd | Noid: isnt there any program i can just click start on and it will back up my whole hdd? |
| 09:49.24 | exerd | that would be good |
| 09:49.28 | Solet | empty slot + extra card = card is now in machine |
| 09:49.30 | jbmigel | Solet i really dont think you should be doing that. you will either fry the PCI card or your MB |
| 09:49.36 | freewoody | So what could be wrong with my Exim setup ? |
| 09:49.48 | karsten | npx: GNOME Terminal & Konsole allow that. Most terms don't. |
| 09:50.02 | Solet | jbmigel: linux is designed to be able to upgrade on the fly |
| 09:50.03 | Noid | exerd: yes, but i think they are payware |
| 09:50.14 | Solet | why do you think it has to mount/unmount all the time |
| 09:50.18 | exerd | damn |
| 09:50.23 | Solet | after unmounting a drive it can be removed |
| 09:50.32 | exerd | partimage - backup partitions into a compressed image file |
| 09:50.33 | Solet | or you can toss in a new one and mount it |
| 09:50.35 | exerd | that one sounds good |
| 09:50.47 | cyrille_ | do you know if it's possible to run mutt non interactively? |
| 09:50.50 | MobyTurbo | Solet: it's a hardware problem, unless you're using a server that has hot-pluggable PCI cards *don't* swap PCI cards on the fly. |
| 09:51.02 | Solet | i didnt swap |
| 09:51.05 | EmleyMoor | cyrille_: Why would you want to? |
| 09:51.30 | jbmigel | Solet "hot-swap" = "hot-plug" ok |
| 09:51.38 | karsten | cyrille_: mutt can be used as a CLI mailer, yes. |
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| 09:51.43 | jasoncohen | is there a package for j2re or just java SDK? |
| 09:51.44 | MobyTurbo | Solet: swap, install, whatever. It won't work and it will probably fry the card. |
| 09:51.50 | jbmigel | Solet please dont do that anymore for fun you will be sorry if you dont have special hardware |
| 09:52.05 | cyrille_ | EmleyMoor, I have to make an exec in a php script, but it interrupts, waiting for commands in stdin |
| 09:52.18 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: free-java-sdk or /msg dpkg java |
| 09:52.19 | cyrille_ | jasoncohen, just java sdk |
| 09:52.20 | Overand | yeah don't just unmount a drive and then pull it |
| 09:52.27 | Overand | there are LOTS Of reasons why this is a bad thing |
| 09:52.47 | karsten | cyrille_: there are several CLI mail clients: mail, mailx, mutt. |
| 09:52.53 | Solet | *rolls eyes* i've seen it done.... i watched a guy with a linux web server running dual xeons accually shut off one of the fucking processors to remove it put a new one in reattach heat sync and fire it back up... did the same with cards, ram, and drives... |
| 09:52.54 | Overand | even the power connectors on SATA drives are designed so the ground connects first and disconnects last, so when you unplug the power you don't lose ground first, leading to a potentially nasty situation |
| 09:52.57 | Solet | i know it can be done... |
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| 09:53.08 | karsten | cyrille_: mutt -s "subject" address@example.com < file |
| 09:53.11 | Overand | Solet: you've seen someone REMOVE A PROCESSOR from a system? |
| 09:53.15 | MobyTurbo | Solet: only if you have the special hardware, which he had |
| 09:53.20 | karsten | cyrille_: ..or stdin, or whatever. |
| 09:53.26 | Overand | even in a dual XEON system i find that hard to believe |
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| 09:53.39 | Overand | but the point is, even if something CAN be done it doesn't mean it SHOULD be done |
| 09:53.40 | exerd | do i need to back up the boot partition? |
| 09:53.44 | Overand | i've hot-swapped floppy drives before |
| 09:53.47 | Overand | doesn't mean i ever will again |
| 09:53.49 | Overand | i'm not 14 anymore |
| 09:53.52 | jbmigel | Solet ok go for it... you can use modprobe to add support for your "hot-pluged" PCI card and have it do something for 2 secs before your comp explodes |
| 09:53.55 | karsten | Solet: Impressive. |
| 09:54.02 | MobyTurbo | Overand: mainframes can hot-swap processors, I think a few Sun boxes can do that too. |
| 09:54.15 | Overand | MobyTurbo: i've never seen a p4 that can hotswap though |
| 09:54.16 | karsten | exerd: No. You can recover your system partitions from source materials or a new install. |
| 09:54.17 | Overand | or any 'xeon' chip |
| 09:54.19 | bob2 | linux can |
| 09:54.21 | MobyTurbo | Overand: agreed |
| 09:54.28 | exerd | ok |
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| 09:54.33 | Overand | and RAM |
| 09:54.37 | jbmigel | bob2 he is trying to hot-plug a pci card |
| 09:54.42 | Overand | that's just a joke |
| 09:54.45 | Overand | !troll Solet |
| 09:54.47 | MobyTurbo | Solet: just because you saw a high-end server do it don't assume it will work on *any* system. |
| 09:55.03 | Solet | dude it was a full tower case running dual xeon |
| 09:55.08 | Solet | thats not highend |
| 09:55.09 | Overand | WHBT, WHL, HAND |
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| 09:56.03 | MobyTurbo | Solet: it *won't* work on all hardware. If you think otherwise, then that's your problem. |
| 09:56.13 | Overand | MobyTurbo: i reiterate: troll |
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| 09:56.24 | Noid | plugin pci cards on the fly with a normal computer? that's not on the fly, that's on the fry |
| 09:56.34 | Overand | Noid: again: troll |
| 09:56.39 | Overand | but that's funny =] |
| 09:56.58 | Noid | Overand: yeah, i was afk and backreading |
| 09:57.09 | Overand | (not you being a troll. just saying: stop responding to his crap about hot-swapping RAM and having the system keep running) |
| 09:57.22 | Overand | YEAH I PULLED ALL THE RAM OUT |
| 09:57.28 | Overand | BUT THE OS DIDN'T STOP RUNNING |
| 09:57.39 | Overand | BECAUSE IT WAS LOADED INTO... UM... THE CACHE ON THE XEON CHIP |
| 09:57.40 | voidz0r | vedui il'er |
| 09:57.41 | Overand | YEAH |
| 09:57.42 | jbmigel | linux awesome swap capabitilies there |
| 09:57.54 | Overand | nah clearly he was running MS-DOS |
| 09:58.02 | Overand | otherwise the OS wouldn't have fit in the CACHE |
| 09:58.13 | b1ade | do not kidding |
| 09:58.14 | Noid | in fact, it was faster because it didn't have to wait those ram delays... let's put a gentoo on it too |
| 09:58.17 | Solet | overand: it wasnt all the ram you fucktard, it was a 128 that he disassociated, pulled, replaced with a 256, then reassociated |
| 09:58.27 | Overand | Solet: and what OS was he running? |
| 09:58.38 | Overand | calling me a 'fucktard' will really help with your credibility |
| 09:58.56 | qwertz_ | Hi! Trying to setup a server with debian sarge net install but seems that the detection of our scsi adapter failed. cat /proc/scsi/device_info says gem318 from sdr. does anybody know if we have to load special modules? |
| 09:59.10 | Overand | i could imagine that you could exclude the range of memory |
| 09:59.12 | Solet | it was linux, i have no idea what distro... |
| 09:59.12 | Overand | and then pull it |
| 09:59.21 | Overand | and if you're LUCKY AS ALL HELL then MAYBE you won't fry EVERYTHING |
| 09:59.27 | MobyTurbo | Solet: and you think that would work on just any hardware? Are you on crack? |
| 09:59.29 | Solet | this was 2 years ago while i was on a college visit |
| 09:59.29 | Overand | but i don't know if you can even dynamically exclude a range of memory |
| 09:59.32 | voidz0r | qwertz_: have you run lspci? |
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| 09:59.44 | voidz0r | aiya |
| 10:00.01 | Overand | re: hot-swapping ram: http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kernel-traffic/kt20040127_249.html#23 |
| 10:00.17 | voidz0r | gg |
| 10:00.27 | Solet | overand: i dont even care about the ram... i just want to make linux probe a pci port to detect the new card |
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| 10:00.42 | Solet | i was trying to make a point by recounting an experience i had 2 years ago... |
| 10:00.46 | schlurchz | Hi folks. A question WRT the BTS. It seems that you can file bugs against source packages, though it doesn't seem to be documented. Now, how file a bug against a source package when a binary package carries the same name? |
| 10:00.49 | Solet | the day i was fucking introduced to the os |
| 10:01.06 | Overand | Solet: did you seriously hot-plug a PCI card? |
| 10:01.22 | Overand | because if you have to ask these kinds of questions, you really shouldn't be hot-swapping hardware |
| 10:01.35 | Solet | not yet |
| 10:01.39 | Solet | i'm trying to learn how |
| 10:01.42 | Overand | if you aren't already a serious linux + hardware expert, do NOT HOT SWAP HARDWARE |
| 10:01.46 | Overand | you will just break stuff |
| 10:02.02 | MobyTurbo | Solet: some server *hardware* can hot-plug PCI cards, but unless you know otherwise, and you would know if you had bought such a box, assume it will not only not work but fry the system. |
| 10:02.03 | Overand | PCI is *not* designed to be hot swappable |
| 10:02.15 | Overand | at least not on your box. |
| 10:02.16 | Guerin | and it's not just programs and OS which will break |
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| 10:02.19 | Guerin | hardware will |
| 10:02.21 | Noid | Solet: ok, you are going to plug it in while the machine is running, and you will be lucky not to fry eveything |
| 10:02.21 | Overand | yeah |
| 10:02.24 | Overand | PCI cards will cool |
| 10:02.26 | Overand | er |
| 10:02.27 | Overand | cook |
| 10:02.32 | Overand | i think he already plugged it in |
| 10:02.33 | Overand | like |
| 10:02.39 | Overand | it's worth noting that these cards are SCREWED IN |
| 10:02.45 | jbmigel | 3, 2, 1 |
| 10:02.57 | Overand | you've got to take apart the case and SCREW THE CARD IN |
| 10:03.08 | Overand | generally anything that requires screws shouldn't be done while power is applied |
| 10:03.10 | Noid | Solet: btw, if you do it, please let us know what parts did fry |
| 10:03.14 | jbmigel | ah not if your quick like a bunny |
| 10:03.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:03.18 | Noid | out of sheer curiosity |
| 10:03.38 | Guerin | never let a bad experience fail to be a learning experience :) |
| 10:03.40 | Overand | yeah, Solet, be sure to keep a spare system around so you can get on IRC *when* you break your crap |
| 10:04.05 | Overand | or just be an ass |
| 10:04.07 | jbmigel | Solet dont listen to them man i hot swap PCI cards all the time, AGP too every time i upgrade my graphics... its no problem in console "apt-get new computer" and everything will be fine |
| 10:04.08 | MobyTurbo | !confuse Solet |
| 10:04.09 | dpkg | No, what is your snake yesterday, Solet? pants of the people's republic of belarus with extra cream |
| 10:04.14 | PerfDave | Can *any* hardware hotplug PCI? I thought it was only PCI-X and/or PCI-E? |
| 10:04.21 | Overand | and assume that this channel of people who all know what they're doing at least to some extent are ALL WRONG |
| 10:04.24 | Overand | and you are RIGHT |
| 10:04.28 | directhex|work | only extremely expensive enterprise kit can hotplug pci |
| 10:04.32 | Overand | because of something you witnessed ONCE that HAPPENED to work |
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| 10:04.46 | Overand | becaues sure, i've hotplugged hardware too |
| 10:04.48 | Solet | overand: i have 7 systems infront of me... |
| 10:04.51 | Overand | Solet: good |
| 10:04.53 | Solet | and 2 on the floor |
| 10:04.55 | jbmigel | not for long |
| 10:04.55 | Overand | go ahead and break them |
| 10:04.56 | jasoncohen | so, in addition to free-java-sdk, what do you have to install to get java in mozilla- libswt-mozilla3-java? |
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| 10:05.10 | Overand | once you've done something like that, better not move that PSU or mobo anywhere new |
| 10:05.18 | Overand | you might really screw up your power supply |
| 10:05.18 | directhex|work | jasoncohen, you need sun's java for that iirc |
| 10:05.24 | Overand | watch that thing cook motherboards you plug it into |
| 10:05.28 | Overand | that'll be awesome |
| 10:05.34 | directhex|work | i accidentally hot-unplugged an ISA card once |
| 10:05.35 | Overand | also |
| 10:05.41 | Overand | make sure you've got a fire extinguisher |
| 10:05.44 | directhex|work | machine & card survived ^_^ |
| 10:05.45 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:05.48 | Overand | if you're going to hotplug |
| 10:05.49 | Overand | yeah man |
| 10:05.53 | jasoncohen | directhex|work: so i should just download j2re off their site |
| 10:05.53 | Overand | i've had shit survive too |
| 10:05.58 | Overand | but there's NO guarantee |
| 10:06.15 | Overand | wouldn't he feel like an ass if his crap caught fire and, oh, his mom died |
| 10:06.32 | Overand | "I JUST WANTED TO HOTPLUG PCI" his epitaph reads, if he were the one to die |
| 10:06.39 | directhex|work | jasoncohen, download a jre .bin from sun.com. install the java-package package. run mpkg-j2se the_file_from_sun.bin |
| 10:07.01 | Guerin | isn;'t it make-jpkg? |
| 10:07.10 | directhex|work | i lost track |
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| 10:07.18 | directhex|work | maybe it'll change again next week |
| 10:07.24 | Overand | heh |
| 10:07.26 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: the name of the package changed - it's now "java-package" |
| 10:07.30 | Zitter | hi, is it possible to integrate fortune with blootbot? |
| 10:07.30 | Overand | make-package-for-java-thingiedo |
| 10:07.38 | Zitter | !blootbot |
| 10:07.39 | dpkg | blootbot is, like, a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
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| 10:07.54 | Noid | Zitter: quite probably |
| 10:07.54 | Overand | ah blootbot is based on the actual 'infobot' infobot? |
| 10:07.55 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: i know, but the script you run should be make-jpk |
| 10:07.56 | Guerin | g |
| 10:08.09 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: yep |
| 10:08.10 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:08.32 | Guerin | blootbot is as much like infobot as kanotix is like debian woody, though |
| 10:08.49 | directhex|work | Guerin, kanotix has woody sources in sources.list :) |
| 10:08.54 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: To install Sun's evil Java, /msg dpkg java |
| 10:08.54 | Guerin | aargh |
| 10:08.58 | Guerin | i rest my case |
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| 10:09.24 | Overand | Guerin: the question is, which one sucks less, and will blootbot load the 'database' crap that infobot made |
| 10:09.36 | Overand | because my god, infobot sucks a lot |
| 10:09.47 | Overand | i had to hack up th ecode a bit and remove some files just so it wouldn't crash constantly |
| 10:09.52 | Guerin | blootbot wssucks a lot too, but in different ways than infobot |
| 10:09.55 | Overand | heh |
| 10:09.58 | Overand | i may just leave it be |
| 10:10.05 | Overand | because at least infobot is stable as is |
| 10:10.11 | Guerin | and it have way more cool things about it which mean it's actually a lot better and more fun |
| 10:10.25 | Overand | the thing has over 30k factoids |
| 10:10.30 | Guerin | this one does |
| 10:10.36 | Overand | i ean it had 0 at startup |
| 10:10.42 | Overand | that's just from living in my channel on efnet |
| 10:10.48 | Overand | so i don't really want to start over |
| 10:10.49 | Overand | heh |
| 10:10.53 | Guerin | oh, dpkg has about that many |
| 10:10.58 | Guerin | 25k or so |
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| 10:11.03 | Overand | this bot has only been there for |
| 10:11.05 | Overand | oh, say... |
| 10:11.09 | Overand | 6 months? |
| 10:11.10 | Overand | a year tops |
| 10:11.19 | Guerin | yikes |
| 10:11.21 | Overand | it's a pretty special bot |
| 10:11.21 | Overand | heh |
| 10:11.50 | Guerin | i ran one for a while, but it kept dying while I wasn't paying attention |
| 10:11.57 | Overand | yeah |
| 10:12.00 | Guerin | and it's 15MB ram just to get out the gate |
| 10:12.02 | Overand | you've got to remove the extentions from it |
| 10:12.15 | Overand | lots of them cause it to die when, for example |
| 10:12.17 | Guerin | blootbot, not infobot |
| 10:12.17 | Overand | someone says 'nick' |
| 10:12.20 | Overand | ah |
| 10:12.21 | BHSPitMonkey | good amount of people here |
| 10:12.22 | Overand | interesting |
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| 10:12.41 | BHSPitMonkey | congratulations orangey! you're the 800th customer |
| 10:12.42 | Overand | what's with all the people using mIRC today? |
| 10:12.49 | Guerin | but resiak runs one which is pretty stable, and dpkg gets hit like you wouldn't believe, and he lives on most of the time |
| 10:12.51 | Maulkin | The latest version of Blootbot (currently in Unstable) is a lot better then the current one :) |
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| 10:13.01 | Overand | heh |
| 10:13.13 | Maulkin | Not sure it'll make it in time for the freeze though |
| 10:13.20 | Maulkin | <-- Debian Blootbot maintainer |
| 10:13.30 | Overand | cool |
| 10:13.37 | Guerin | Maulkin: ah, cool. |
| 10:13.40 | Overand | er |
| 10:13.41 | Overand | i ean |
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| 10:13.46 | Guerin | I just used the tarball from the sf.net page |
| 10:13.49 | MobyTurbo | Maulkin: the freeze has already begun |
| 10:13.51 | Overand | AHAHAH YOU MAINTAIN BLOOTBOT |
| 10:14.00 | Overand | yeah well |
| 10:14.08 | Overand | fortunately, that'll be compensated for by the global warming |
| 10:14.10 | resiak | They have a tendancy to lose their minds if mysqld is updated beneath them. |
| 10:14.36 | Guerin | the one in woody was broken when I tried it; there wasn't a version in sid at the time |
| 10:14.38 | Overand | so will blootbot load the 'infobot' datastore? |
| 10:14.41 | Maulkin | MobyTurbo: Ok, not sure it'll be hinted through to Testing in time for Release |
| 10:14.48 | jethro | Overand: utsl |
| 10:14.54 | Overand | utsl? |
| 10:14.59 | jethro | !utsl |
| 10:14.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 10:15.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:15.08 | Overand | ... |
| 10:15.14 | Guerin | blootbot is all perl |
| 10:15.25 | Guerin | if you can hack on perl, you can make blootbot do what you want it to |
| 10:15.26 | Overand | also, the datastore format is NOT readable |
| 10:15.40 | jbmigel | Solet http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/?selected=pci |
| 10:15.41 | Guerin | ... which is why I can't make my blootbot work :) |
| 10:15.52 | jethro | Overand: just look at infobot core, and see how it's dealt with, and compare with blootbot's code |
| 10:15.57 | jethro | s/core/code |
| 10:16.04 | Overand | jethro: sure, no problem |
| 10:16.11 | Overand | i'll just pour through all, what, 20k lines? |
| 10:16.15 | Overand | lemme count the KLOCs here |
| 10:16.17 | petemc | flooterbuck might be worth look too |
| 10:16.25 | jethro | you need to learn about / in vim :p |
| 10:16.31 | jethro | or grep |
| 10:16.33 | jethro | heh |
| 10:16.39 | Guerin | Overand: can't you parse the infobot datastore out to plaintext and feed it into a mysql? |
| 10:17.07 | Overand | well it's 132k of sourcecode =] |
| 10:17.14 | jethro | the infobot? |
| 10:17.17 | Overand | Guerin: i have no idea how the datastore WORKS |
| 10:17.18 | Overand | it's binary |
| 10:17.23 | Guerin | oh, evil |
| 10:17.24 | Overand | i'll need to tear up infobot to figure it out |
| 10:17.32 | Overand | yeah, that's the point i'm trying to make |
| 10:17.44 | Guerin | the reason I chose bloot over info is because it worked with plaintext and mysql |
| 10:17.47 | Overand | and i really don't want to dif through 132k of source to find out |
| 10:18.00 | Overand | dig, even |
| 10:18.20 | Overand | i mean, if i really wanted to, i could do that, but i've got much better stuff i could do with my time |
| 10:18.27 | Guerin | like chat on irc |
| 10:18.27 | Overand | like chug bottles of robitussin |
| 10:18.27 | jethro | like irc? |
| 10:18.30 | Overand | or pull out my toenails |
| 10:18.31 | Guerin | hah |
| 10:18.31 | jethro | heh Guerin |
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| 10:18.47 | Guerin | !blame #debian's procrastinative powers |
| 10:18.55 | Guerin | ? |
| 10:18.59 | Overand | hm |
| 10:19.01 | Overand | interesting |
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| 10:19.15 | jethro | what is procrastinative ? |
| 10:19.16 | Overand | so check out the datafiles |
| 10:19.19 | Guerin | !literal cmd: blame (.*?) |
| 10:19.19 | dpkg | CMD: blame (.*?) is ($1): <action> blames $randnick for $1 and (all the evil in the world|the end of (life|culture|the Internet|the world) as we know it) |
| 10:19.33 | Guerin | nastylicious |
| 10:19.34 | kombi | what are these files for: /usr/local/var/[hostname]-bin.00x ? |
| 10:19.45 | kombi | got 2 G of those.. |
| 10:19.52 | MobyTurbo | jethro: I would tell you what procrastinative means now but I think I'll do it later instead. |
| 10:19.53 | Overand | there's botname-is.dir, botname-is.pag, botname-are.dir, botname-are.pag, |
| 10:20.00 | Overand | and the same for -seen, -karma, and -ignore |
| 10:20.06 | jethro | MobyTurbo: think I got the idea :) |
| 10:20.19 | Overand | and the files are complete illegible |
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| 10:20.34 | kombi | Overand: was that for me? |
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| 10:20.46 | Overand | and my -is.pag and .dir are 3.3 megs a piece |
| 10:20.46 | Guerin | kombi: i don't have those |
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| 10:21.00 | Overand | in fact, the .dir and .pag are all identical sizes |
| 10:21.01 | Overand | h |
| 10:21.02 | Overand | hm |
| 10:21.12 | kombi | Guerin: good riddance then maybe.. |
| 10:21.14 | Overand | that's indicitive of a good design... |
| 10:21.21 | Overand | that and keeping 'is' and 'are' in seperate files... |
| 10:21.22 | Overand | wtf. |
| 10:21.28 | Guerin | kombi: I'd figure out what made them before deleting them |
| 10:21.42 | kombi | That's what I'm trying.. |
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| 10:21.52 | Guerin | kombi: not because they're potentially valuable, but because they might be a sign of illitiness |
| 10:22.01 | MobyTurbo | Overand: that depends upon what "is" is |
| 10:22.10 | kombi | Guerin: oops.. mysql owns them.. |
| 10:22.17 | Overand | MobyTurbo: heh |
| 10:22.19 | Guerin | kombi: why? |
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| 10:22.36 | kombi | Guerin: says in the file permissions.. |
| 10:22.59 | EmleyMoor | Any news on when firefox-1.0.4 will be in sarge? I can't add updates to 1.0.3, it won't allow it |
| 10:23.09 | Guerin | kombi: sure, but WHY is mysql putting shit in /usr/local/var/? |
| 10:23.18 | Guerin | kombi: unless it's not a debian mysql |
| 10:23.18 | kombi | I'll check the docs at mysql.. |
| 10:23.31 | kombi | no, fresh from source |
| 10:23.57 | Guerin | graah |
| 10:24.00 | Guerin | why? |
| 10:24.10 | Guerin | apart from the fact that you like pain? |
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| 10:24.20 | kombi | I allways get cursed at when mention that...;) |
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| 10:24.57 | kombi | I.. |
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| 10:25.02 | togs | any more one word or two? |
| 10:25.17 | jasoncohen | is there something like apt-watch for KDE? |
| 10:25.21 | Grant | Anyone help me out with the error im getting? May 13 06:47:31 localhost postfix/cleanup[14386]: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 10:25.24 | Guerin | eh? |
| 10:25.44 | kombi | Grant: mysql not running? check pstree |
| 10:25.46 | Guerin | Grant: dude, are you the same Grant who had all the postfix chroot problems a couple months ago? |
| 10:25.48 | Grant | its running |
| 10:25.50 | Guerin | no |
| 10:25.53 | Guerin | it's the fucking chroots |
| 10:25.56 | Grant | lmfao Guerin |
| 10:26.00 | Grant | its not |
| 10:26.03 | Guerin | read master.cf and the postfix doc |
| 10:26.14 | Grant | man everything works, just doesnt connect to mysql database |
| 10:26.19 | Grant | i dunno why |
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| 10:26.28 | aidehua | Why don't apt requests show up in Apache's access.log? |
| 10:26.34 | Guerin | Grant: ok, postfix 101: postfix runs many daemons. any of these are chrooted. If your mysql is not also chrooted, they can't talk to it. Capiche? |
| 10:26.56 | EmleyMoor | Is there a set of Debian bookmarks for Firefox? |
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| 10:27.56 | Overand | Guerin: he may need to be explained what chroot does |
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| 10:28.07 | kombi | Guerin: those .bin things are log files from mysql, can be turned on and off in /etc/my.cnf |
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| 10:28.27 | Overand | more specifically, explain what "/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock" --> ACTUALLY points to if mysql is chrooted |
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| 10:29.00 | Guerin | Overand: if he does, he has no business runnning postfix |
| 10:29.06 | Guerin | kombi: oh. |
| 10:29.35 | jasoncohen | why is nessus only in stable? |
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| 10:29.50 | Overand | jasoncohen: so reet haxors like you don't get it |
| 10:29.53 | as13 | aidehua maybe you have choosen verbosity level |
| 10:29.55 | jasoncohen | nevermind- because i'm an idiot and searched stable |
| 10:30.02 | Overand | jasoncohen: hehe |
| 10:30.04 | Overand | that'll do it |
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| 10:30.19 | Atula | hi |
| 10:30.22 | jasoncohen | Overand: i actually use it to scan my OWN system, heh |
| 10:30.24 | Overand | you can alwas check out packages.debian.org |
| 10:30.26 | Overand | yeah |
| 10:30.28 | Overand | ost of us do |
| 10:30.31 | Overand | it's a grea tool |
| 10:30.45 | Overand | ok, i'm losing letters rapidly |
| 10:30.45 | jasoncohen | brandeis scans all students boxes and posts the results on a secure webserver |
| 10:30.48 | jasoncohen | pretty cool |
| 10:30.49 | aidehua | as13: aha! Yes! Fixed now :) |
| 10:30.54 | Overand | learly my keyboard has been hacked |
| 10:31.04 | jasoncohen | they also don't let people check webmail with IE... :) |
| 10:31.05 | Grant | Guerin now im trying to remember how we fixed this problem |
| 10:31.10 | Grant | there was something wrong with my postfix dir |
| 10:31.12 | kombi | Overand: hat ou ean? |
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| 10:31.38 | Guerin | Grant: no, there wasn't |
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| 10:31.46 | Guerin | Grant: there was something wrong with your master.cf |
| 10:31.50 | positrix | is there a free "Master of Orion" clone? |
| 10:31.55 | Grant | no there wasnt! |
| 10:31.57 | sether | jasoncohen: you go to brandeis? |
| 10:32.04 | Grant | master.cf is fine nothing is chrooted |
| 10:32.05 | jasoncohen | yes |
| 10:32.08 | Overand | kombi: dno, nevmnd |
| 10:32.18 | Overand | OH GOD. I'VE BEEN HACKED AND NOW AM A 15 YEAR OLD GIRL |
| 10:32.24 | lavvu | my system won't boot normally, it freezes with pci [success] / usb |
| 10:32.25 | jasoncohen | sether: undergrad studying politics, philosophy and legal studies. I just got back today actually |
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| 10:32.29 | sether | jasoncohen: oh, cool. my ex-girlfriend is there. 'tis a rad place. |
| 10:32.35 | sether | oh, i see. |
| 10:32.39 | jasoncohen | sether: what year is she in? |
| 10:32.46 | lavvu | any clues? |
| 10:32.47 | Phated | Overand: Oi, it's not only girls who type like that. |
| 10:32.56 | Grant | Guerin i remember something about my postfix dir was screwed |
| 10:32.58 | sether | jasoncohen: she's a sophomore. |
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| 10:33.01 | Overand | Phated: nah, 'course not |
| 10:33.03 | jasoncohen | heh, i get back from brandeis and immediately run to fedex to send an application for study abroad at oxford... |
| 10:33.10 | jasoncohen | ah, i am too |
| 10:33.11 | Guerin | Grant: well, the stock debian postfix dir is perfectly ok |
| 10:33.24 | sether | um |
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| 10:33.39 | Atula | I was wondering if anyone can help me with my sound... I have a thinkpad600 using cs4232 with OSS... it has been working for a while... after I took out cs4232 in /etc/hotplug/blacklist... it stopped functioning, I tried putting the lie cs4232 back but it still did not work. The symptoms: when the computer boots up, the microphone is on for soem reason... it sees the driver and load sucessfully, however, when I play some media file (mp3/m |
| 10:33.39 | Atula | ovies) the application seems to hang... xmms would play the sound for a sec then goes into a hang (almost like pause). |
| 10:33.41 | jasoncohen | sether: what does she study? |
| 10:33.41 | sether | jasoncohen: you wouldn't happen to know a julie...? |
| 10:33.42 | Atula | thanks you |
| 10:33.42 | kombi | Overand: l.ol! |
| 10:33.47 | jasoncohen | i would |
| 10:33.49 | sether | jasoncohen: biology |
| 10:34.00 | sether | jasoncohen: julie miller? |
| 10:34.03 | Grant | well what would i of done chown postfix:postfix /etc/postfix im sure that's what fixed it last time something similar to that |
| 10:34.03 | Overand | Phated: and most 15 year old girls don't type like that |
| 10:34.12 | Overand | Phated: but it's still a cute stereotype |
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| 10:34.23 | Phated | Overand: It is not "cute". |
| 10:34.26 | kombi | There's this new rootkit that not only changes your gender but also paint your apartment pink |
| 10:34.29 | Overand | actually, for all i know, most 15 year olds DO type like that |
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| 10:34.38 | Overand | i've just never associated with people who type like that |
| 10:34.44 | viyyer | my /media/cdrom0 directory gets vanished every time I boot |
| 10:34.52 | Phated | They do, but it's both the boys and the girls. |
| 10:34.56 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:34.59 | Atula | I was wondering if anyone can help me with my sound... I have a thinkpad600 using cs4232 with OSS... it has been working for a while... after I took out cs4232 in /etc/hotplug/blacklist... it stopped functioning, I tried putting the lie cs4232 back but it still did not work. The symptoms: when the computer boots up, the microphone is on for soem reason... it sees the driver and load sucessfully, however, when I play some media file (mp3/m |
| 10:34.59 | Atula | ovies) the application seems to hang... xmms would play the sound for a sec then goes into a hang (almost like pause). |
| 10:34.59 | kombi | speaking of which: what's the age in here? |
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| 10:35.08 | Grant | Guerin? |
| 10:35.09 | Atula | sorry about the repost of question |
| 10:35.11 | Guerin | kombi: 69 |
| 10:35.13 | Overand | sigh |
| 10:35.23 | Overand | Phated: you're right, no stereotypes are cute |
| 10:35.26 | Overand | but intolerance is also not cute |
| 10:35.27 | viyyer | my /media/cdrom0 directory gets vanished every time I boot , why is it happening ?? |
| 10:35.30 | Guerin | Grant: it should already be that way |
| 10:35.35 | kombi | Guerin: I believe every digit you say.. |
| 10:35.41 | Grant | well if i do that cmd it wont do nothing? |
| 10:35.43 | directhex|work | viyyer, blame discover1. dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 10:35.45 | quitte | Atula how did you set irq dma and io? |
| 10:35.47 | kombi | anyone under 20? |
| 10:35.51 | Phated | Overand: I'm not overly bothered by cuteness. |
| 10:35.53 | Guerin | stereotypes aren't cute. observed tendencies are fine. |
| 10:36.10 | Overand | Guerin: ok: kids these days don't understand english |
| 10:36.10 | Grant | eg ===> chown -R postfix:postfix /etc/postfix/ |
| 10:36.18 | kombi | Observed tendencies, interesting |
| 10:36.21 | Overand | IM/SMS/etc has really hosed it. |
| 10:36.21 | jwaugh | <--- kid |
| 10:36.29 | Overand | oh totally, resiak |
| 10:36.44 | Atula | quitte, I used the line: modprob cs4232 io=0x530 irq=5 dma-1 dma2=0 |
| 10:36.45 | resiak | /msg Overand I unzip your jacket ... and steal your wallet. |
| 10:36.48 | Grant | why are you guys talking about 15 year old girls? |
| 10:36.50 | Grant | lol |
| 10:36.55 | Overand | good thing i don't keep it in my jacket |
| 10:36.59 | Atula | quitte, someone told me this |
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| 10:37.07 | Overand | Grant: dunno. why are you denying that chroot is the souce of your problem? |
| 10:37.10 | Guerin | resiak: s/jacket/computer/ ; s/wallet/bandwidth/ |
| 10:37.13 | Overand | heh |
| 10:37.17 | Guerin | Overand: heh |
| 10:37.19 | quitte | Atula ok. are you sure that is correct? the only way to set this that i know of is using the dos tool |
| 10:37.20 | Overand | OH GOD |
| 10:37.24 | Grant | Overand well how the hell do i fix it man? |
| 10:37.25 | Overand | THE HEHRATIO IS RISING |
| 10:37.28 | quitte | Atula: no pnp or anything |
| 10:37.29 | Overand | !hehcount |
| 10:37.30 | Guerin | Grant: I'm a middle school teacher... I hate 15 year old girls. |
| 10:37.31 | Overand | !heh |
| 10:37.31 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. Or http://odinnet.ath.cx/~erik/heh |
| 10:37.32 | MobyTurbo | Grant: most people in Debian are dirty old BOFHs |
| 10:37.36 | Atula | pnp |
| 10:37.40 | Overand | what's the hehcount? |
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| 10:37.45 | resiak | !hehstats |
| 10:37.46 | dpkg | total count of heh on #debian: 19828 |
| 10:37.48 | resiak | \o/ |
| 10:37.50 | Overand | sweet. |
| 10:37.53 | Atula | I'm not so good with this linux hting... still trying to learn |
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| 10:38.02 | Overand | Atula: that's what I said a year ago |
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| 10:38.04 | quitte | Atula: pnp doesnt work on tp600 afaik. i own one myself - so im pretty sure |
| 10:38.06 | Overand | and now, youk now what I say? |
| 10:38.12 | Sphinx_Linux | hello |
| 10:38.13 | Grant | lol well got some replies back to that msg lol |
| 10:38.14 | Overand | "I'm ok with this linux thing. Still learning." |
| 10:38.19 | Overand | Grant: hahahaaaaa |
| 10:38.34 | resiak | Overand: ITYM "heh". |
| 10:38.35 | Atula | Overand, just got this thing like a month ago |
| 10:38.38 | Grant | Guerin, your a teacher? |
| 10:38.43 | resiak | !your |
| 10:38.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 10:38.50 | quitte | Atula do you have dos installed? |
| 10:38.51 | Guerin | Grant: i don't have 'a teacher' |
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| 10:38.56 | Overand | Nah, (s)he just wants to seem like less of a perv for talking about 15 y/olds |
| 10:39.11 | Atula | quitte, DOS? I got the terminal.... but DOS in linux? I don't get it |
| 10:39.31 | quitte | Atula: no dos on a seperate partition |
| 10:39.32 | Guerin | !postfix chroots |
| 10:39.34 | streuner__ | Is it already sunday? ;-) |
| 10:39.35 | Sphinx_Linux | is it possible to get flash working on debian ppc ?? i tryd apt swf-player and have it but how to get firefox to work with it ?? i saw on google about gplflash but not for debian ppc ?? |
| 10:39.47 | PerfDave | Alas, poor Yorick, I knew him, Hehratio |
| 10:39.52 | Atula | quitte, no, I have a 3 gig HD so... no other partition |
| 10:39.54 | quitte | Atula: if not - get one somehow. you really want the ps2 tool from ibm. |
| 10:39.58 | MobyTurbo | quitte: with dosbox or dosemu working quite well, there is no good reason to have a seperate DOS partition |
| 10:40.00 | Phated | PerfDave: Hah. |
| 10:40.00 | resiak | PerfDave: Hahah. |
| 10:40.06 | Phated | PerfDave: Hahahah. |
| 10:40.09 | resiak | Sphinx_Linux: Good luck :-) |
| 10:40.13 | resiak | PerfDave: Hahahahah. |
| 10:40.16 | quitte | MobyTurbo: except that the ibm config tool needs native dos |
| 10:40.39 | Atula | quitte, the thing is... it worked before.. I just somehow messed it up... so I would like to fix that mistake somehow |
| 10:40.41 | Sphinx_Linux | resiak: thx that was the answer i was waiting for pff :P |
| 10:40.41 | jwaugh | I already googled so I wanted to ask... what are some debian p2p programs I can use apt-get on? |
| 10:40.44 | Guerin | !postfix chroots is <reply> Ok, to fix your postfix chroot problems, either: 1) make mysql etc. listen inside the chroot or 2) unchroot any service which needs to access mysql or whatever it can't find. Do this in master.cf. |
| 10:40.44 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 10:40.51 | Guerin | Grant: ^^ |
| 10:41.09 | doub | the http://odinnet.ath.cx/~erik/heh doesnt work : odinnet.ath.cx does not exist |
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| 10:41.26 | quitte | Atula: only way to find out proper dma,irq and io settings is trying different errors or look them up with ps2 |
| 10:41.42 | Atula | hm |
| 10:41.54 | Atula | don't really know what you're talking about, man. |
| 10:41.59 | Atula | a little lost here |
| 10:42.05 | Atula | <---- I am a sheep |
| 10:42.14 | BHSPitMonkey | ba-a-a-ah. |
| 10:42.16 | si|vercat | my system just hangs when booting on some usb-loading thing.. any ideas on whats wrong? |
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| 10:42.26 | Atula | (just hope no one takes me in as the third person in a 3-way) |
| 10:42.34 | Guerin | si|vercat: try disabling acpi |
| 10:42.38 | jasoncohen | how much space would you guys recommend for a desktop install of debian. i like to be able to install a lot of packages to test but I'm on a laptop so i'm somewhat limited. |
| 10:42.40 | quitte | Atula on the ibm site if you search for tools for your laptop youll find a dos configuration program. onc you unpacked it and can use it it is called ps2 |
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| 10:42.48 | doub | si|vercat: i had the same sort of problems once, HW error |
| 10:42.58 | Atula | quitte, with linux? |
| 10:43.05 | Atula | I can't get any thing on this 3 gig HD man |
| 10:43.05 | si|vercat | Guerin: in the bios? |
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| 10:43.20 | Guerin | si|vercat: no, in the bootloader |
| 10:43.24 | jwaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.28 | BHSPitMonkey | i just installed debian a few hours ago, i didnt want to install lilo and now i cant get into grub |
| 10:43.29 | jeanmi__ | How can I know when (what date) a package has been uploaded (upgraded actually) to unstable ? |
| 10:43.34 | jantonio | hello |
| 10:43.38 | Guerin | BHSPitMonkey: why not? |
| 10:43.43 | BHSPitMonkey | dunnoo |
| 10:43.47 | doub | si|vercat: add "acpi=off" in your kernel parameters |
| 10:43.51 | quitte | Atula: no. you need dos. a 100mb partition is more than enough. id recommend having it big enough for your complete ram to fit in. hibernation is great and works pretty well on that laptop |
| 10:43.51 | Guerin | BHSPitMonkey: then I can't help you |
| 10:43.54 | jasoncohen | jwaugh: i made the mistake on mdk of doing 5 GB for / and 1 GB for /home...bad, bad idea |
| 10:43.57 | BHSPitMonkey | lol |
| 10:44.03 | BHSPitMonkey | im tryin to do 4 distros |
| 10:44.08 | si|vercat | doub: thanks :P |
| 10:44.12 | jantonio | how can i to create a ssl certificate sign myself |
| 10:44.14 | jantonio | ¿?¿? |
| 10:44.23 | jethro | jantonio: man openssl |
| 10:44.26 | Guerin | jantonio: by reading openssh docs |
| 10:44.37 | jethro | openssl docs would be more accurate on that matter |
| 10:44.39 | Guerin | oh, openssl |
| 10:44.40 | BHSPitMonkey | i installed RH9 first (i cant boot it, it just kinda stops doing stuff at a screen with the logo) |
| 10:44.42 | jethro | :) |
| 10:44.42 | Guerin | mah bays |
| 10:44.43 | Guerin | d |
| 10:44.52 | jantonio | thanks |
| 10:44.56 | jethro | jantonio: welcome |
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| 10:45.01 | MobyTurbo | !permasunday |
| 10:45.01 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 10:45.02 | BHSPitMonkey | then i installed deb and now when i boot, it just says "GRUB" |
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| 10:45.34 | jwaugh | jasoncohen: It's not mdk though. I have ran Debian on 5 gig easily. |
| 10:45.34 | jwaugh | / 5 gig and swap 600 mb you shouldn't set any amount for /home. |
| 10:45.42 | Grant | Guerin: May 13 20:53:45 localhost postfix/postfix-script: warning: not owned by root: /etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf |
| 10:45.45 | Grant | why's it saying that for |
| 10:45.46 | Grant | lol |
| 10:45.58 | Guerin | BHSPitMonkey: boot to a rescue disk, mount root, mount proc, run grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub |
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| 10:46.25 | Guerin | Grant: needs to be owned by root. If you need the postfix user to access it, make it gid postfix |
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| 10:46.55 | raboof | hi. is there a version of `updatedb' supported in Debian that uses inotify when available? |
| 10:47.00 | Guerin | man |
| 10:47.05 | Guerin | i have run debian in 1 gig |
| 10:47.08 | Guerin | WITH KDE |
| 10:47.55 | raboof | (or dnotify, for that matter) |
| 10:47.55 | doub | Guerin: version alpha 0.0001 ? |
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| 10:48.08 | jwaugh | Guerin: I haven't so I was going to speak from that experience, however thank you. |
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| 10:48.14 | Guerin | doub: debian base + kde is only about half a gig installed :) |
| 10:48.18 | jwaugh | *wasn't going to |
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| 10:49.07 | doub | Guerin: huh. allow me to doubt about that. it's not fully functional then |
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| 10:49.31 | doub | Guerin: you don't have the X server, then |
| 10:49.32 | EmleyMoor | How do I report a bug in a package I do not have installed? |
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| 10:49.41 | SPF | I have a prob with df |
| 10:49.48 | SPF | /dev/hda1 -1006130973579 1 0 98% / |
| 10:49.57 | Guerin | doub: no, with an X server too |
| 10:50.00 | streuner | doub: for what do you need an X-Server if you have KDE ;-) |
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| 10:50.52 | doub | streuner: of course... i'm stupid. it's pointless |
| 10:51.08 | Guerin | SPF: i've seen that before, and I think fsck fixed it. |
| 10:51.38 | EmleyMoor | I need to get a bigger hard disk or two - especially bearing in mind some of my current plans |
| 10:52.28 | raboof | hm, ok, http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2005-April/msg01706.html seems to suggest inotify isn't suitable for monitoring large numbers of directories.... |
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| 10:58.11 | EmleyMoor | If I have a local compile of, say, wine, would it be advisable to recompile it for sarge? |
| 10:58.28 | jethro | EmleyMoor: why not use the packaged wine? |
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| 10:58.49 | EmleyMoor | jethro: I could do but it's behind the one I currently have |
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| 10:59.03 | Atula | quitte, hi. I fixed the problem. |
| 10:59.11 | Guerin | EmleyMoor: you probably need to, since it'll be build against different libc |
| 10:59.12 | Atula | quitte, thanks for the help though |
| 10:59.33 | EmleyMoor | It still runs - but it might run better/ |
| 10:59.34 | EmleyMoor | ? |
| 10:59.34 | tincorrec | im having a problem, i have two open vpn boxes, now one is also a nat box and is working fine, however i have one dedicated box, now for some reason this will not relay network traffic from the vpn to the local net |
| 10:59.50 | Guerin | EmleyMoor: oh, if it still runs, it's probably fine. |
| 11:00.03 | sarca | directhex|work, just curious.. can I configure discover1 to work fine.. I mean.. would it work without disabling discover1? |
| 11:00.47 | quitte | Atula great.what was it? |
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| 11:01.47 | goron | Does make-kpkg also recognise Grub? Or does it only work with Lilo? |
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| 11:01.59 | EmleyMoor | goron: It works fine with grub |
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| 11:02.15 | sarca | directhex|work, just curious.. can I configure discover1 to work fine.. I mean.. would it work without disabling it? |
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| 11:03.53 | Sphinx | anybody know why my kde debian desktop goes to the inlog screen mode out of nowhere ? |
| 11:04.35 | Guerin | Sphinx: if the x server crashes it'll drop back to kdm. check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 11:06.03 | Sphinx | guerin: oki thx |
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| 11:07.18 | Grant | Guerin what need's to be owned by root? |
| 11:07.24 | PerfDave | After enabling a serial console in /etc/inittab, how do I actually get getty to listen on it without rebooting? |
| 11:07.49 | Guerin | Grant: all postfix's config files (and basically everything else in /etc/) |
| 11:08.22 | goron | In FreeBSD there's a cool thing called moused, which enables you to use your mouse inside a console window. Does Linux also have such an option? |
| 11:08.35 | PerfDave | goron: gpm/ |
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| 11:10.13 | basti_ | again: updates regularly break my locales. messages like "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" appear on trying to use various programs. tried dpgk-reconfigure locales, locale-gen, and manual examination of some of the configuration, nothing helped. |
| 11:11.00 | goron | PerfDave: Ty. |
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| 11:12.23 | qwertz_ | voi/join #phpmyadmin |
| 11:12.29 | basti_ | is there any useful documentation about this? |
| 11:12.42 | basti_ | is there ANY information about this besides "it breaks now and then"? |
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| 11:13.57 | Grant | Guerin so just chmod root the mail configs? |
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| 11:15.23 | Guerin | Grant: DON'T CHANGE THEM |
| 11:15.35 | Guerin | Grant: they're fine as they come out of dpkg |
| 11:15.38 | Grant | lol |
| 11:15.50 | Grant | yah yah but remmeber i did a chmod postfix:postfix on /etc/postfix :P |
| 11:15.53 | Grant | btw its working now |
| 11:15.54 | Grant | lol |
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| 11:16.16 | Grant | but what do i need to change the .conf's back to? |
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| 11:16.31 | Sphinx | guerin: checked the log file, it's a big log file dunno what happened |
| 11:16.58 | Guerin | Sphinx: grep ^EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 11:17.10 | guorke | hi,I'm newbie,what the best thing to read maillist? |
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| 11:17.43 | Guerin | Grant: firefox |
| 11:17.55 | Grant | wwwwwwwwat? |
| 11:18.02 | Guerin | gah |
| 11:18.05 | Guerin | guorke: firefox |
| 11:18.07 | Grant | lol |
| 11:18.14 | Grant | so how do i change them back? |
| 11:18.15 | Grant | :P |
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| 11:19.26 | Guerin | Grant: apt-get remove --purge --reinstall postfix |
| 11:19.43 | guorke | you mean you use firefox to read mail list,Guerin? |
| 11:19.46 | Sphinx | guerin: uhhh...nothing happened :) |
| 11:19.49 | procrastinator | When i run alsaconf i get "No supported PnP or PCI card found" - what to do? |
| 11:20.00 | Guerin | guorke: if it has a web archive, it's pretty cool. |
| 11:20.11 | Guerin | guorke: otherwise, any mail client should work. |
| 11:20.23 | Guerin | procrastinator: what card do you have? |
| 11:20.34 | Sphinx | guerin: you know btw how to get flsh working firefox ?? (debian-ppc) |
| 11:20.44 | Guerin | wtf is fish? |
| 11:20.50 | Sphinx | flash |
| 11:20.52 | Sphinx | swf |
| 11:21.05 | Guerin | oh |
| 11:21.11 | Sphinx | :P |
| 11:21.22 | Guerin | flashplayer-nonfree, in non-free |
| 11:21.33 | procrastinator | Guerin: Some onboard-stuff |
| 11:21.54 | Sphinx | hmm |
| 11:21.57 | procrastinator | Guerin: Not my computer - howtofindout? |
| 11:21.58 | basti_ | so does anyone here use localisation? did anyone ever experience that problem? (several programs not working after updates)? |
| 11:22.04 | Guerin | procrastinator: guessing will do you as much good as it did alsaconf. |
| 11:22.21 | Guerin | if it's not in lspci, use the eyeometer |
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| 11:23.09 | procrastinator | lspci | grep audio? |
| 11:23.17 | procrastinator | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 11:23.34 | guorke | I mean it's common,just like what you are using |
| 11:23.34 | Guerin | !ac97 |
| 11:23.35 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
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| 11:24.00 | doub | procrastinator: try alsaconf |
| 11:24.38 | procrastinator | doub: Scroll up. That's what i started with |
| 11:24.42 | goron | Where are the low-latency and pre-emptive threads option in make menuconfig? |
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| 11:24.57 | Guerin | goron: come on. |
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| 11:25.28 | SnuS | can someone recommend me some package to communicate with a serial device ? (industrial something) |
| 11:25.41 | SnuS | I tried minicom, but it won't connect. |
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| 11:25.51 | basti_ | SnuS: what kind of device is that? |
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| 11:25.56 | doub | procrastinator: try lspci -n, note the PCI ID for this card, then grep for it in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 11:26.06 | jasoncohen | is there a kde applet to show debian updates? |
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| 11:26.17 | doub | procrastinator: but chances are you don't have the module if alsaconf didn't find it, as it's what it does AFAIK |
| 11:26.32 | SnuS | basti_ well, I'm trying to connect to a RS232 to RS-485 converter that connects to a NPU. |
| 11:26.47 | basti_ | SnuS: so on your end it's an RS232? |
| 11:26.53 | SnuS | basti_ yes. |
| 11:26.54 | Sphinx | guerin: this is what it says in the end o the list :could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/, removing from list! |
| 11:26.54 | Sphinx | SetClientVersion: 0 8 |
| 11:27.08 | procrastinator | doub: lspci -n gives me 10 entries? |
| 11:27.12 | basti_ | SnuS: then you can "talk" to it via the /dev/ttyS devices, usually |
| 11:27.13 | Sphinx | is that my problen or could be ?? |
| 11:27.24 | doub | procrastinator: look for the line starting with 0000:00:1f.5 |
| 11:27.24 | procrastinator | nevermind |
| 11:27.50 | SnuS | basti_ yeah, but minicom didn't connect to it. I need to both read and write. I to echo > /dev/ttys* , but that didn't work |
| 11:28.02 | procrastinator | 0000:00:1f.5 0401: 8086:24c5 (rev 01) - so the PCI ID is 0401: 8086:24c5? |
| 11:28.16 | doub | procrastinator: pci id is 8086:24c5 |
| 11:28.19 | basti_ | SnuS: how did it "not work"? error message or nothing happens? |
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| 11:28.32 | SnuS | basti_ "I/O error" |
| 11:28.35 | SnuS | from cat. |
| 11:28.44 | basti_ | SnuS: hmm this sounds like a misconfigured /dev/ttyS |
| 11:28.49 | procrastinator | doub: Returns nothing |
| 11:29.05 | doub | procrastinator: so there's no module for this card yet |
| 11:29.07 | procrastinator | doub: Is there anything i can do then? |
| 11:29.12 | procrastinator | Hm |
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| 11:29.17 | SnuS | brb |
| 11:29.32 | faber | whats the best program to convert uppercase filename to lower case`? |
| 11:29.39 | basti_ | SnuS: there is no way in recognizing the difference between "no device there" and "doesn't respond the way i want it to" |
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| 11:30.06 | doub | procrastinator: some ugly hack invovles adding this pci-id to the intel8x0 alsa driver source PCI ID support table, and re-compiling |
| 11:30.12 | doub | procrastinator: maybe this will work, maybe not |
| 11:30.15 | basti_ | so usually 'echo "test" > /dev/ttyS0' succeeds, save for misconfiguration |
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| 11:31.37 | doub | procrastinator: that's what I did here for an un-supported nforce2 sound chipset, it quite works, except for some strange mixer behavior (sometimes when i change the mixer level, the sound level changes, and then the mixer goes back to its initial value) |
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| 11:32.44 | directhex|work | doub, which kernel? |
| 11:34.06 | doub | directhex|work: 2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 11:34.06 | directhex|work | doub, you could try a 2.6.9+ from sid? |
| 11:34.06 | directhex|work | doub, or there's closed-source nvsound... :/ |
| 11:34.07 | virus | I'm trying to alienize a SRPM but I get the following error message: dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture i386 does not appear in package's list (amd64) - anything I can do about it without manipulating the thing too much? |
| 11:34.07 | Guerin | virus: why? |
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| 11:34.16 | doub | directhex|work: i've taken a look at the latest (at that time 2.6.11) kernel source, the pci-id isn't there |
| 11:34.23 | Guerin | virus: if it's distributable as source, it's probably in a tarball someplace, and probably packaged for debian |
| 11:34.31 | directhex|work | doub, run update-pciids? |
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| 11:34.49 | virus | Guerin, it's redhat-artworks which is not distributed as tar.gz at all. |
| 11:35.08 | doub | directhex|work: nvsound is ugly, it only works if the sound source is 48khz. which is quite unusual |
| 11:35.37 | procrastinator | doub: Hm. I think I'll just leave it for now then. |
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| 11:35.48 | virus | In fact I just want bluecurve (and maybe clearlooks) for QT which is in the redhat-artworks package. ;) |
| 11:35.51 | directhex|work | doub, you can usually force an ac97 clock rate |
| 11:35.52 | Guerin | gah |
| 11:36.13 | Guerin | virus: you lame bastard |
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| 11:36.51 | doub | directhex|work: update-pciids will only help lspci have useful output, not the driver, right? |
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| 11:37.04 | cjavad | qps does not work on multiprocessor systems. Is there a good alternative with graphic user interface? |
| 11:37.05 | directhex|work | doub, yep |
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| 11:39.49 | directhex|work | !info qps |
| 11:39.49 | dpkg | qps: (Qt based process status), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.9.7.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 152 kB, Installed size: 460 kB |
| 11:39.49 | Guerin | ithm qos |
| 11:39.49 | Guerin | oh |
| 11:39.49 | Guerin | funky |
| 11:39.50 | virus | Guerin, ... very helpful thanks. |
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| 11:39.50 | doub | directhex|work: what's this ac97 clock rate thing? if that only helps nvsound, i don't give a damn, it's way too ugly and closed source anyway |
| 11:39.50 | doub | directhex|work: it's the most memory hungry module i've ever seen. except maybe for the eagle-usb adsl modem module |
| 11:39.50 | xsquared | hi, in fluxbox, does anyone know how to make workspaces appear to have rows? and how to make it so that when i move the mouse to the edge of the screen, it goes to the next workspace? |
| 11:39.50 | directhex|work | doub, you can force an ac97 clock rate to 44100. or you can use dmix, to accept 44100 input, mux, and resample to 48000 |
| 11:39.50 | doub | directhex|work: yes but that's alsa specific. nvsound is OSS |
| 11:40.19 | directhex|work | doub, if it still relies on the oss ac97 module, then you should be able to force the clock rate |
| 11:40.57 | doub | directhex|work: and to add some icage to the cake, the machine usually goes hanging when playing sound with nvsound. definitely, i don't want that piece of shit |
| 11:41.11 | doub | directhex|work: i'm very happy with my ugly hack for now |
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| 11:43.16 | doub | directhex|work: and as if it wasn't enough already, the jack connector is sloppy, making the sound only mono at times. i have to fiddle with the cable to get it back |
| 11:43.31 | doub | directhex|work: i'd be glad to have some more money to buy a real sound card |
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| 11:45.16 | directhex|work | doub, i here there's money to be made down at the docks, doing favours for sailors |
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| 11:45.30 | directhex|work | doub, my audify 2 is a rather nice step up from snd-intel8x0 |
| 11:45.34 | cjavad | How can I figure out what utilises cpu, top shows nothing because the process utilising cpu is in kernel space |
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| 11:47.08 | nagual | directhex|work: yea, thats what, 10 generations or so? |
| 11:47.42 | Atula | quitte, I mispelled something when I put the line back in. I guess it needed to be blacklisted so that it can be manually start later |
| 11:48.32 | doub | directhex|work: i'm in paris, france. it's far from the sea. but that's a good idea anyway. maybe there are some "fresh water" (is that the word for non-salted water?) sailors out there to help |
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| 11:49.10 | jasoncohen | anyone notice that between potato and woody the number of packages doubled (4300 to 9000) and it nearly doubled again from woody to sarge (9000 to 16000)? |
| 11:49.31 | doub | jasoncohen: isn't that a Good Thing(tm) ? |
| 11:49.38 | jasoncohen | a great thing |
| 11:49.53 | jasoncohen | i wonder what happened to the userbase |
| 11:50.53 | Shadur | jasoncohen: Although it's probably (yet another) one of the reasons that getting sarge to stable is taking a tad long... |
| 11:51.14 | directhex|work | doub, you could try the airport, there are probably businessmen at CDG after a good time |
| 11:51.34 | xsquared | imagine the future of debian if it takes longer each time there is like x2 more packages |
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| 11:52.14 | jasoncohen | do most debian users use the stable or testing releases? |
| 11:52.18 | doub | directhex|work: there's the bois de boulogne too, it's near here ;) |
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| 11:52.23 | directhex|work | depends on when, jasoncohen, and for what |
| 11:52.30 | jasoncohen | it seems that their uses are completely opposite |
| 11:52.48 | xsquared | jasoncohen: because stable is used more for servers and testing for desktops |
| 11:53.15 | jasoncohen | i suppose one would run a mission-critical server on stable and testing for anything like a desktop or a non-critical workstation sertup |
| 11:53.16 | nevyn | jasoncohen: did anyone notice that the time between releases has increased in a linear fashion as well ? |
| 11:53.19 | directhex|work | jasoncohen, many people will stick on stable for all uses for a while after sarge releases. a year down the line desktops may head onto sid, two years and desktops will probably run etch-testing. servers always run stable |
| 11:54.00 | nevyn | jasoncohen: Real Programmers use sid on desktops ;) |
| 11:54.06 | jasoncohen | heh |
| 11:54.16 | jasoncohen | when sarge is released, sid will become testing? |
| 11:54.20 | nevyn | no |
| 11:54.36 | jasoncohen | what came before potato? |
| 11:54.42 | nevyn | slink |
| 11:54.51 | directhex|work | distrowatch.com/debian |
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| 11:55.11 | virus | Could someone point me to an URL that explains how to build debian packages of source tarballs that can be installed just by ./configure && make && make install? I don't intend to read tru all that papers of becoming a new debian package maintainer - in fact I don't intend to become one. ;) |
| 11:55.11 | doub | jasoncohen: sid packages are (in non freeze times) sent to testing if they pass some sanity checks, automagically |
| 11:55.39 | jasoncohen | i thought sarge is frozen now until the release |
| 11:55.43 | directhex|work | virus, run dh_make, edit debian/control, run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 11:55.43 | nevyn | it is. |
| 11:55.52 | doub | jasoncohen: so sid never becomes testing, as some sid packages (quite a lot of the developer tools) won't ever pass those checks |
| 11:55.55 | nevyn | jasoncohen: only bugfixes. and trivial updates |
| 11:56.27 | nevyn | doub: there are things in sid marked with a bug that's there purely to prevent it going into testing |
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| 11:56.40 | doub | nevyn: that's what i'm about |
| 11:56.59 | jasoncohen | why wouldn't they want it going into testing? |
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| 11:57.21 | doub | jasoncohen: because testing is a stable candidate, and those tools aren't designed to be stable |
| 11:57.21 | nevyn | jasoncohen: because it's an autobuilt piece of crap built from cvs weekly or something |
| 11:57.39 | jasoncohen | oh, lol |
| 11:57.43 | nevyn | there was for a long time cvs builds of galeon and stuff in sid. |
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| 11:58.17 | dnielben | It is possible to use acpi in debian to achieve standby operation on Laptops |
| 11:58.26 | nevyn | dnielben: yes. |
| 11:58.57 | Blue_ | sarge frozen? |
| 11:59.05 | doub | !topicsmite Blue_ |
| 11:59.06 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Blue_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 11:59.40 | Blue_ | so, should we goto sid? |
| 11:59.50 | virus | directhex|work, wow - thanks. Really wicked - never knew there was something like dh_make... building packages was a horror of copy&paste of working packages right now. :) |
| 11:59.55 | dnielben | I have try a lot of links, and the only think that my laptop can do is perform a normal shut down when one press the power button |
| 11:59.57 | jasoncohen | distrowatch isn't very smart..it shows old versions of mysql and python becuase the packages are called mysql4.1 and python2.4 |
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| 12:00.32 | directhex|work | jasoncohen, mail them then. they'll change their scripts to better detect the package versions |
| 12:00.44 | doub | Blue_: it depends on what you're trying to do. you can stick to "testing", which will always be the nearly-stable version |
| 12:00.56 | jasoncohen | directhex|work: ok |
| 12:00.58 | doub | too late |
| 12:01.01 | dnielben | When I nconfigure the standby function, when the resume is performed, the only think I have is a black screen, it seems that the video is not reactivated! |
| 12:01.06 | jasoncohen | dpkg is funny...smart bot |
| 12:01.07 | Sphinx_Ra | anyone know if there is a way in console or something to see what's happeing with my i-net connection, the damn thing is downloading all the time (i see that on the moden and router) while i'm dling nothing..hacking ?!? |
| 12:01.14 | jasoncohen | cluebot was so stupid on fedora they banned him |
| 12:01.48 | jasoncohen | are there any plans to add KDE 3.4 to testing? |
| 12:02.09 | directhex|work | no, sarge is frozen |
| 12:02.11 | doub | dnielben: maybe apm is the answer. some old laptops don't handle acpi suspend very well |
| 12:02.22 | jasoncohen | directhex|work: after sarge is released i mean |
| 12:02.31 | n0dez | jasoncohen: sure |
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| 12:02.40 | doub | dnielben: and even on newer ones, it seems acpi support is buggy at times |
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| 12:03.02 | directhex|work | jasoncohen, after sarge is released, then obviously etch goes cutting edge. gnome, kde, xorg, all that crap |
| 12:03.04 | jasoncohen | sid has 3.3 as well |
| 12:03.30 | jasoncohen | directhex|work: ok. i wasn't sure how that worked |
| 12:03.35 | doub | dnielben: that would require disabling acpi, installing apm tools. then try "apm --suspend" |
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| 12:03.41 | xanaxx | hi |
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| 12:04.11 | dnielben | it apm better thatn acpi! |
| 12:04.11 | directhex|work | jasoncohen, sid is only useful when it can provide package updates for testing. testing has frozen, so sid isn't seeing much radical change. when sarge releases, sid goes cutting edge |
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| 12:04.18 | jasoncohen | what does one have to do to get debian to update a package version. There's a new version of gaim-otr and i've been building it for MDK. |
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| 12:04.29 | doub | dnielben: it's older, so it has better support |
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| 12:04.38 | oKtosiTe | My /etc/crontab has anacron entries, while I recently remove the anacron package. What is the reason for this? There is no /usr/sbin/anacron |
| 12:04.43 | oKtosiTe | s/remove/removed/ |
| 12:05.03 | directhex|work | jasoncohen, what version should it have? |
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| 12:05.12 | jasoncohen | directhex|work: 2.0.2 came out a week or two ago |
| 12:05.25 | jasoncohen | it has several bugfixes so it works with gaim-encrypt now |
| 12:05.46 | doub | oKtosiTe: look carefully, the crontab is designed to work with both standard cron and anacron |
| 12:05.50 | lplp | how to know if apache is running? it does not appear in TOP. |
| 12:05.50 | PerfDave | Gah, what command can I use on Debian to talk to another box over a null modem cable? |
| 12:06.14 | oKtosiTe | doub, so keeping the anacron entries won't hurt? |
| 12:06.15 | doub | PerfDave: talk? you want IP networking ? pppd is the answer then |
| 12:06.20 | doub | oKtosiTe: no |
| 12:06.23 | directhex|work | jasoncohen, file a wishlist bug against the package? mail the maintainer? |
| 12:06.33 | shingouz | lplp: Use ps |
| 12:06.42 | PerfDave | doub: No, I'm using a null modem cable. I want to use my Debian-running laptop as a serial console. |
| 12:07.01 | directhex|work | PerfDave, echo "foo" > /dev/ttyS0, and cat /dev/ttyS0 |
| 12:07.03 | goron | Is it safe to use REGPARM these days (for example it didn't work a year ago with nvidia drivers)? |
| 12:07.04 | jasoncohen | directhex|work: i provide the developer with mdk rpms. i'm not sure who makes the debs |
| 12:07.08 | doub | PerfDave: look at the serial console howto in tldp.org |
| 12:07.30 | lplp | shingouz, tried ps, not there either. do i have to manually start it? if so, what is the command? |
| 12:07.32 | PerfDave | doub: I've read it, it doesn't mention client software. I've done all the required server setup. |
| 12:07.35 | doub | PerfDave: basically, you have to setup your bootloader to use it, the kernel, and gettys |
| 12:07.41 | PerfDave | doub: Yes, I've done that. |
| 12:07.41 | directhex|work | !maint gaim-otr |
| 12:07.41 | oKtosiTe | doub, ok. I have made my own backup script, which needs root privileges, would the best way to run it be from root's crontab, the system's main crontab, or cron.daily? |
| 12:07.46 | dpkg | gaim-otr: Thibaut VARENE <varenet@debian.org> |
| 12:07.48 | shingouz | lplp: I am not sure, check in /etc/init.d |
| 12:07.51 | doub | PerfDave: so what's the problem? |
| 12:07.56 | directhex|work | jasoncohen, ^^ |
| 12:07.56 | PerfDave | doub: Now I need some software on the *client* to run as a serial terminal |
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| 12:08.08 | spiekey | hi |
| 12:08.08 | PerfDave | 13:07 < PerfDave> doub: No, I'm using a null modem cable. I want to use my Debian-running laptop as a serial console. |
| 12:08.27 | spiekey | has someone got a link to a good howto how you crypt your root fs? |
| 12:08.30 | doub | PerfDave: oh ok. minicom is your friend. or maybe cu |
| 12:08.41 | jasoncohen | directhex|work: thanks |
| 12:08.42 | directhex|work | conserver-client ? |
| 12:08.47 | jasoncohen | that bot sure is handy |
| 12:08.48 | PerfDave | doub: Right, thanks. |
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| 12:09.20 | lplp | shingouz, it is in init.d. means it comes up on boot. but where is the process? |
| 12:09.50 | doub | oKtosiTe: it depends on what you want to do. setting it in the crontab allows you to fine tune the time at which it runs, whereas cron.daily is easier |
| 12:09.53 | lplp | it is a daemon, still should be tracable. |
| 12:10.08 | norox | spiekey, apt-get install cryptsetup, less /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/CryptoRoot.HowTo |
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| 12:10.34 | shingouz | lplp: Just the fact that there is an initscript in init.d does not mean it actually comes up on boot, you may have to use update-rc.d to make it so. Try starting it manually this time and check if it runs. You also may have some errors somewhere that prevent it from running even if it attempts to start |
| 12:10.46 | oKtosiTe | doub, right now it's in root's private crontab, does that have any disadvantages to using /etc/crontab? |
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| 12:11.08 | doub | oKtosiTe: the system crontab and root both run as... root, so it's not a privilege matter. root crontab is likely to contain root-user specific cron entries, whereas system is for... system specific entries |
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| 12:11.31 | doub | oKtosiTe: it's just a matter of organising your stuff |
| 12:11.40 | spiekey | norox: thx |
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| 12:11.52 | oKtosiTe | doub, cron.daily sends me ugly mail subjects, that's my only reasoning not to use it. |
| 12:12.01 | doub | oKtosiTe: with the added bonus that you can specify the user in the system crontab |
| 12:12.02 | oKtosiTe | doub, ok |
| 12:12.14 | oKtosiTe | doub, system crontab it is |
| 12:12.24 | jupi | lo |
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| 12:12.53 | doub | oKtosiTe: every cron event mails the results to the user launching it. if you don't want it, redirect output to /dev/null |
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| 12:13.02 | prologic | How do I change the system to use md5 passwords ? |
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| 12:15.24 | lplp | shingouz, started it with command 'apache', how to tell if it is running? |
| 12:15.40 | shingouz | lplp: ps |
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| 12:15.44 | tonym | it seems i am running shadow passwords on debian sarge. How do i change to md5 passwords? |
| 12:16.04 | lplp | shingouz, tried, not there. |
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| 12:16.44 | shingouz | lplp: I am not soo sure if the command apache is the correct one, usually the initscripts like /etc/init.d/daemon-foo start |
| 12:16.45 | MobyTurbo | tonym: shadow passwords can be md5 too, md5 (and DES) are encodings, the shadow file and the main password file are the location. Two different things. |
| 12:16.46 | nydust | what is the best config tool for debian (not vi) |
| 12:17.18 | xst | When will gnome-2.10 hit debian/sid ? |
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| 12:17.25 | lplp | shingouz, there is an 'apache' in /usr/sbin |
| 12:17.31 | shingouz | nydust: Your question does not make a lot of sense |
| 12:17.35 | liable | nydust: hehe, from that comment,I believe you've asked before :) |
| 12:17.40 | goron | Guerin: You are right. I was just being lazy. |
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| 12:17.56 | RBRiddick | hi |
| 12:18.00 | shingouz | lplp: Have you done the man apache thingie already? I believe there should be something about starting apache |
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| 12:18.20 | lplp | ok, will try now. |
| 12:18.50 | RBRiddick | can somebody explain me how to get a 2.6 kernel, please? (I think, I need a 2.6 kernel for my new DVB-T card (Terrtec Cinergy 1200 DVB-T).) |
| 12:18.51 | trueno | nyone using xfree86-driver-synaptics? I would like to know if it is possible to activate a PS/2 mouse if you plug it in, and activate the touchpad (with the synaptics dirver) when unplugging the mouse. It could be done with ... |
| 12:18.51 | trueno | the regular PS/2 driver but then the tap-to-click funtion was not present. Any clue/hint? |
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| 12:19.07 | shingouz | lplp: You have not read the man page yet? Shame on you, you *always* have to RTFM first before even running something |
| 12:19.09 | tonym | MobyTurbo: The kde login prompt (GUI) seems to only take notice of the first six characters of my password after that i can type anything and it lets me in, how is this possible? |
| 12:19.30 | EmleyMoor | SpamAssassin (installed from the package in sarge) cannot access my personal BAYES databases - how do I fix or clear them so that it will work again? |
| 12:19.30 | xsquared | RBRiddick: its called apt |
| 12:19.36 | prologic | tonym, dpkg-reconfigure --prioity=low passwd |
| 12:19.38 | MobyTurbo | tonym: that's a DES encoded password |
| 12:19.40 | RBRiddick | ic... |
| 12:19.44 | RBRiddick | can apt do pppoe? |
| 12:19.46 | prologic | tonym: should ask if you want to use MD5 hashing |
| 12:19.46 | directhex|work | RBRiddick, which debain version? |
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| 12:19.54 | shingouz | trueno: PS/2 mice are not hotplug, the hardware specs do not support that |
| 12:20.02 | RBRiddick | i tried sarge-i386-netinst.iso from 20050512 |
| 12:20.05 | oKtosiTe | doub, I want a mail, but cron.daily gives me an ugly "test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily" subject line. |
| 12:20.18 | directhex|work | RBRiddick, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 12:20.25 | oKtosiTe | doub, sorry for that delayed reaction |
| 12:20.27 | trueno | shingouz: It used to work, though |
| 12:20.30 | RBRiddick | ic. thx. |
| 12:20.31 | directhex|work | RBRiddick, however, the dvb-t drivers in sarge are iffy. infact, in debian generally |
| 12:20.42 | tonym | Thanks guys I'll try reconfigure |
| 12:20.42 | RBRiddick | eeks :-) |
| 12:20.53 | Guerin | tonym: are you serious? |
| 12:20.56 | xsquared | chow |
| 12:21.04 | RBRiddick | is there another OS (not Windoz), that can support my DVB-T card? |
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| 12:21.24 | shingouz | trueno: Hotplugging a PS/2 mouse may work on some computers but the hardware is not designed to do hotplug. do an apt-cache search synaptics and see what you can come up with |
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| 12:21.38 | oKtosiTe | RBRiddick, any modern os "can", but do they...? |
| 12:21.44 | directhex|work | RBRiddick, if you're lucky, your card will just work with it |
| 12:21.48 | RBRiddick | oK,: :-)) |
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| 12:22.10 | shingouz | RBRiddick: Might help if oyu specified what card you have... ;) |
| 12:22.13 | directhex|work | RBRiddick, however, with my wintv nova-t's, i needed to compile my own kernel, built from a mess of debian kernel source, upstream kernel source, and patches from bytesex.org |
| 12:22.13 | dnielben | Some one has experienced problems, with firefox hanging!. It seems that has problems whith Flashm applets and some javascripts? |
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| 12:22.30 | Guerin | dnielben: yes. Blame sun and macromedia. |
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| 12:22.52 | RBRiddick | shingouz: it's a Terratec Cinergy 1200 DVB-T |
| 12:23.19 | lplp | shingouz, reading 'man' isnot a sure win, as in this case. doesn't tell me anything i need to know. |
| 12:23.22 | goron | Are modules slower after they are loaded, then statically compiled code? (I am talking about the linux-kernel) In other words: is there a performance penalty for being a module modulo loading of it? |
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| 12:23.44 | directhex|work | RBRiddick, the issue is what are the bridge chip (e.g. brooktree 878 or conexant cx88xx), and tuner (loads of models) |
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| 12:24.07 | RBRiddick | shoot! :-)) |
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| 12:24.20 | shingouz | RBRiddick: Results 1 - 31 of about 73 for terratec cinergy 1200 "dvb-t" |
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| 12:24.46 | trueno | shingouz: Thanks.. Is there a way to make X11 use the PS/2 driver if there's anything attached to the port and the synaptics driver if there's nothing plugged? A kind of "conditional" input in the devices section of ... |
| 12:24.46 | trueno | XF86Config? |
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| 12:25.14 | RBRiddick | shingouz: I saw them... and i understood, that a fresh 2.6 kernel would do the job... maybe i was mistaken... |
| 12:25.19 | shingouz | trueno: There should be but I have not had to do that as I use IBM laptops with the Trackpoint |
| 12:25.31 | spiekey | norox: have you got a encrypted fs? if yes, whats the speed of hdparm? |
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| 12:25.57 | shingouz | RBRiddick: Maybe it does maybe it doesn't, the video is a bit patchy as far as I can tell |
| 12:26.08 | trueno | shingouz: Thanks, I'll try to find something :-) |
| 12:26.08 | tonym | Guerin: YES Unfortunately. No point in a ten character password then is there? |
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| 12:26.26 | directhex|work | RBRiddick, i already sodding told you how to install a debian 2.6 kernel, and the issues surrounding it. install the kernel-package i told you to, and just try it - dmesg will tell you the info you want on whether it worked |
| 12:26.41 | shingouz | trueno: Check the manpages of X, look specifically for multiple mice |
| 12:27.00 | Guerin | tonym: ok, do this for me: make a fake user with password 'badgerbadger' ; try to login to kdm using password 'badgermushroom' |
| 12:27.03 | directhex|work | shouldn't just using /dev/input/mice handle that? |
| 12:27.08 | RBRiddick | ok. i have another problem: i have an old pentium box, whose BIOS tells me, that the CDROM isn't bootable (but my newer AMD Athlon box says, that the same CD is bootable) |
| 12:27.22 | shingouz | RBRiddick: Boot off a floppy |
| 12:27.34 | Guerin | tonym: if it logs you in successfully, file a severity: grave bug against KDM |
| 12:27.42 | tonym | Guerin: Ok, will do, brb |
| 12:27.49 | nydust | How do i do this, In my office i has an 20 windows clients, and one dedicated server. What i want to do is that the clients are storing there setnings on the server, so if the windows box die, its just do logon and the user have all his stuff. How do i do this? |
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| 12:28.05 | trueno | shingouz: That's a good hint :-) |
| 12:28.30 | linuxfreck | nydust: have fun fiddling with samba and server-side profiles |
| 12:28.33 | rope | nydust: SAMBA + roaming profiles? |
| 12:28.42 | linuxfreck | oh that was the name |
| 12:28.57 | nydust | thanks |
| 12:28.59 | nydust | ;) |
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| 12:29.07 | linuxfreck | you need xp professional or win2k or nt on the windows computers though |
| 12:29.14 | linuxfreck | xp home won't work |
| 12:29.16 | nydust | we use win2k |
| 12:29.16 | shingouz | RBRiddick: http://svn.clkao.org/svnweb/linux/checkout/cvs/Documentation/dvb/cards.txt?rev=23039 <--- looks like the card shold work |
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| 12:29.38 | trueno | shingouz: Thanks and bye! :-) |
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| 12:29.56 | RBRiddick | shingouz: ic... floppy... yahoo! i found two images on the CD... boot.img and root.img |
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| 12:30.12 | RBRiddick | shingouz: do i need to install special drivers from linuxtv.org? |
| 12:30.20 | directhex|work | shingouz, how much experience do you have of dvb in linux? |
| 12:30.35 | shingouz | directhex|work: None to tell the truth. Why? |
| 12:31.27 | doub | just an OT question, is the host fr.wikipedia.org resolving for you? |
| 12:31.32 | directhex|work | shingouz, because you're not providing any relevant information. debian's dvb-t drivers are utterly broken |
| 12:31.55 | shingouz | directhex|work: Ok, I see... I'd better shut up on that then :) |
| 12:31.57 | Guerin | doub: no |
| 12:32.09 | asg | doub: fr.wikipedia.org. 600 IN CNAME rr.gdns.wikimedia.org. |
| 12:32.10 | rope | doub: yes |
| 12:32.30 | directhex|work | shingouz, as a good example, check http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=cx88xx.ko&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
| 12:32.43 | directhex|work | shingouz, notice which kernel-images do or don't have that module, and telll me it isn't random |
| 12:32.50 | RBRiddick | shingouz/directhex|work: http://pvrguide.no-ip.com/bbs-old/viewtopic.php?t=19574 |
| 12:32.57 | doub | ok thank you all. seems like there's some network trouble for it |
| 12:33.23 | Guerin | doub: where are you? |
| 12:33.32 | doub | Guerin: paris, france |
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| 12:33.40 | Guerin | it's not working from korea for me |
| 12:33.47 | directhex|work | RBRiddick, i give up. do as you want. i've got experience with this stuff, and i've TRIED to help, but you seem to be making a concerted effort to ignore it. so you can follow all your heres-how-to-do-it-on-old-suse guides |
| 12:33.53 | nydust | have any one used this script? http://www.thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/twix/index.html |
| 12:34.16 | shingouz | directhex|work: Wow!. I see your point. I havent even noticed what drivers the Debian kernels have as I most of the time have to do customs for my boxen, they all have odd hardware that need at least a few patches to work |
| 12:34.16 | Guerin | doub: and my shell box in texas doesn't work either |
| 12:34.31 | asg | doub: the CNAME rr.gdns.wikimedia.org returns nothing |
| 12:34.43 | doub | asg: here too "server failure" |
| 12:34.46 | jethro | doub: try from different hosts around the world and none of them get an answer |
| 12:34.52 | jethro | s/try/tried/ |
| 12:35.03 | doub | rope: are you shure about your answer? |
| 12:35.11 | doub | rope: if so, what IP? |
| 12:35.31 | directhex|work | shingouz, in the case of debian, you need patches for dvb-t stuff. unfortunately, thr debian-kernel people have made a COMPLETE mess of the v4l drivers by applying broken patches at random, so you can't apply any useful patches against them |
| 12:35.33 | RBRiddick | directhex: oh. ic. i thought it was about debian.... sorry... |
| 12:35.54 | rope | doub: the rr.gdns.wikimedia.org does not "dig" but the previous one fr.wikipedia.org did |
| 12:36.05 | directhex|work | shingouz, in the end, i had to combine a debian kernel-source, with the v4l source taken from an upstream kernel.org tar.bz2, with some patches from the module maintainer's site bytesex.org |
| 12:36.24 | shingouz | directhex|work: I usually use kernel.org sources as I have noticed that a few of the patches I regularly need to apply do not work cleanly on the Debian sources |
| 12:36.24 | asg | doub: looks like a nameserver issue (or a network issue preventing resolution.) |
| 12:36.26 | jethro | rope: so it doesn't resolve, we all get the CNAME but no A record |
| 12:36.29 | RBRiddick | directhex: do u have had any success with DVB-T and linux? |
| 12:36.46 | raboof | directhex|work: just curious, why use a debian kernel-source rather than simply starting from scratch from kernel.org sources? |
| 12:36.52 | rope | jethro: yes, no A record... |
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| 12:37.07 | directhex|work | raboof, i had some initrd issues, i can't remember the specifics |
| 12:37.17 | asg | Guerin: they might be blocking ICMP traffic yet still be up. |
| 12:37.23 | doub | asg: that's what i think too |
| 12:37.32 | directhex|work | raboof, oh yeah, i wanted to apply bootsplash, and the bootsplash.de debian patches wouldn't apply against upstream kernel source |
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| 12:37.42 | directhex|work | RBRiddick, i have a system with two wintv nova-t dvb-t cards |
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| 12:37.48 | raboof | directhex|work: ah ok :) |
| 12:38.07 | RBRiddick | directhex: cool! :-)) and with debian linux? |
| 12:38.08 | tonym | Guerin: Resetting the password worked. Your experiment required the full password. |
| 12:38.32 | raboof | btw, i recently upgraded my stable box to sarge. is it wise to also upgrade the kernel from 2.4 to 2.6? (running a kernel.org 2.4.29 now) |
| 12:38.33 | directhex|work | RBRiddick, a combination of sarge and sid |
| 12:38.34 | shingouz | This is what I like about linux in general, there are more than a dozen ways to do it the right way most of the time :) |
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| 12:39.00 | tonym | Guerin: Must have been corruption during one of the upgrades |
| 12:39.01 | shingouz | Of course there are umpteen ways to do it the wrong way |
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| 12:39.09 | doub | after asking #wikipedia they seem to have a power failure |
| 12:39.10 | Guerin | tonym: *whew* |
| 12:39.41 | tonym | Guerin: What ever it was only the KDE GUI login was affected. Potential security hole... |
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| 12:40.03 | resiak | RBRiddick: On a totally unrelated note, what are your thoughts on 15 year old schoolgirls? |
| 12:40.30 | raboof | ..? |
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| 12:40.31 | tonym | Guerin: Thanks for your concern :) Had me worried for a mo. |
| 12:40.33 | liable | lets not go there :) |
| 12:40.33 | jethro | they're tight |
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| 12:40.55 | doub | resiak: most of them are boring |
| 12:40.56 | RBRiddick | directhex: so u think, it is too complicated for me? or should i ask somewhere else... |
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| 12:41.09 | tonym | Guerin: Though it might have been KDE/Windows security, lol |
| 12:41.38 | Guerin | hah |
| 12:41.40 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 12:41.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:41.56 | RBRiddick | resiak: hmm... schooohl grls? |
| 12:42.02 | directhex|work | RBRiddick, i don't _KNOW_ if it's too complex for you, because you still haven;t tried just installing the debian kernel image i told you to twenty minutes ago, to see if your card happens to just work |
| 12:42.23 | Guerin | i have it on good authority that catholic schoolgirls rule |
| 12:42.32 | directhex|work | how about korean schoolgirls? |
| 12:42.32 | Guerin | or at least, the did during the 1980s |
| 12:42.33 | Phated | resiak's is hardly "good". |
| 12:42.35 | Guerin | no |
| 12:42.41 | Guerin | korean schoolgirls are awful |
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| 12:42.45 | directhex|work | what about catholic korean schoolgirls? hmm? |
| 12:42.51 | liable | mr frank zappa certainly thought so. |
| 12:42.57 | doub | Guerin: in what respect? |
| 12:43.02 | shingouz | What the heck do 15 year old schoolgirls have to do with this? /me is a bit lost now |
| 12:43.15 | resiak | RBRiddick: Please don't /msg me about necrophilia... ;-) |
| 12:43.24 | directhex|work | shingouz, don't worry yourself |
| 12:43.28 | doub | shingouz: i guess it's springtime for most of the people here |
| 12:43.31 | resiak | RBRiddick: Unless I have misunderstood 13:42 <RBRiddick> resiak: i don't care for girls... i just wait that my heart stops beating |
| 12:43.32 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.34 | greycat | !pal Hyperthreading |
| 12:43.42 | shingouz | doub: I guessed as much |
| 12:43.43 | Guerin | doub: with apologies to present company, I can count on one hand the number of korean women I know who are anything other than petty, manipulative, 14-year-olds in adult bodies |
| 12:43.51 | directhex|work | greycat, been having stalled pipelines or something? |
| 12:43.55 | greycat | "Hyper-Threading, as currently implemented on Intel Pentium Extreme Edition, Pentium 4, Mobile Pentium 4, and Xeon processors, suffers from a serious security flaw. This flaw permits local information disclosure, including allowing an unprivileged user to steal an RSA private key being used on the same machine. Administrators of multi-user systems are strongly advised to take action to disable Hyper-Threading immediately." (/.) |
| 12:44.10 | jethro | hahah |
| 12:44.15 | Guerin | doub: and I know many. The ones still at school just haven't yet perfected their art. |
| 12:44.18 | directhex|work | greycat, link to the security announce? |
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| 12:44.31 | greycat | http://www.daemonology.net/hyperthreading-considered-harmful/ |
| 12:44.38 | ghatak | hi, alsa is giving problems under normal user, i have added normal user to audio group but still getting no permission error? |
| 12:44.39 | greycat | it's on the /. front page at the moment |
| 12:44.46 | Phated | Guerin: If you didn't throw chalk at them so often, they'd have more time to practise at it. :) |
| 12:44.51 | doub | Guerin: i wouldn't make it a political matter, but north or south korean girls? |
| 12:44.57 | Guerin | Phated: that's why I throw so much chalk. |
| 12:45.10 | npx | Anyone in here familiar with configuring the FastCGI apache module, specifically the FastCgiExternalServer directive? Noone in #apache has answered, so I figured I'd ask here. |
| 12:45.11 | Phated | Guerin: Good man. |
| 12:45.13 | asg | SuperSox_: just follow the daemonolgy.net link above |
| 12:45.19 | Guerin | doub: that's a stupid question. |
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| 12:45.25 | RBRiddick | directhex|work: ok. i will be back, when i have installed the 2.6 kernel or earlier :-) |
| 12:45.32 | RBRiddick | byebye |
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| 12:46.11 | doub | Guerin: i've seen a (french) newspaper saying that american males tend to enjoy russian females for their sense of determination and maturity |
| 12:46.11 | Guerin | doub: on account of the fact that NK is a stalinist dictatorship without food, let alone schools or internet; and a hermetic nation which doesn't want or needd to learn english from people like me |
| 12:46.36 | Guerin | doub: heh, they enjoy korean women here for their subservience and girlishness |
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| 12:47.01 | Phated | And adult bodies on 14-year-olds, I suppose. Although that sounds more like the Japanese. |
| 12:47.18 | npx | I read a good article that says lots of newspapers print vague generalizations because people love to read silly shit |
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| 12:47.34 | pngwn | npx++ |
| 12:47.42 | asg | npx: National Enquirer? |
| 12:47.46 | resiak | ghatak: You have logged out and in, I suppose? |
| 12:47.46 | Guerin | Phated: no, korean women don't appear to physically mature beyond 14 years... until they hit about 30 |
| 12:47.50 | directhex|work | i thought they would prefer 14 year old bodies on adults, but nevermind |
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| 12:47.54 | Guerin | npx: not wrong |
| 12:47.56 | Phated | Guerin: That sounds scary. |
| 12:47.58 | doub | Guerin: of course NK is. what i mean is that living in rough conditions makes people more mature and friendly |
| 12:48.02 | Guerin | Phated: yeah. |
| 12:48.19 | Phated | Guerin: Chalk away! |
| 12:48.22 | Guerin | doub: yeah, I dunno about that. |
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| 12:48.35 | Phated | Mature is a possibility, friendly...? |
| 12:48.36 | Guerin | doub: i can't speak about russians; I don't know any. |
| 12:48.58 | doub | Guerin: that's a gross oversimplification, i must admit. but that's often verified, at least to me |
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| 12:49.14 | doub | Phated: akin to help others in need, if you prefer |
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| 12:49.23 | raboof | are there docs for the apt bot? how do i read, for example, the fourth item in `/msg apt 2.6'. also, isn't that quite outdated? :) |
| 12:49.27 | directhex|work | in the end, be they russian or korean, the important thing is that they're hot |
| 12:49.34 | directhex|work | (yes, i'm kidding) |
| 12:49.34 | asg | raboof: /msg dpkg help |
| 12:49.46 | Phated | Depends on what you mean by rough. If I lived in rough conditions, I'd be a heck of a lot less likely to give a damn about others. |
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| 12:50.09 | greycat | raboof: apparently it's a bug in the bots. They're truncating their output too early. |
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| 12:50.11 | npx | So, is anyone familiar with the FastCgiExternalServer directive, it's first argument in particular? I'm trying to configuring zope for virtual hosts, so there's one instance of zope per vhost and the root is served by zope. |
| 12:50.16 | greycat | ~+2.6 |
| 12:50.17 | apt | Read Documentation/Changes. The announcement is at http://lkml.org/archive/2003/7/13/259/index.html. Don't whine if your system breaks. Read http://lkml.org/archive/2003/7/11/106/index.html, or and read http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html DON'T MAKE ME HURT YOU. a piece of M$ dogshit!, or Will be used and complained about by idiots. Unless you're a kernel ... |
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| 12:50.24 | greycat | damn, even that didn't work. |
| 12:50.26 | greycat | let's try another.... |
| 12:50.40 | shingouz | Phated: Or maybe it goes the other way, living in real rough conditions makes you think about others. /me does have a few scars |
| 12:50.43 | greycat | there we go. /msg apt tell me about 2.6 |
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| 12:50.55 | greycat | that caused the factoid to be delivered in its entirety, spread across two separate /msg's/ |
| 12:50.55 | raboof | ah, right :) |
| 12:51.03 | liable | damn, locked myself out my hotel room two nights in a row :( |
| 12:51.12 | jethro | ~hah |
| 12:51.13 | illsci | I just installed debian and I need to add support for my network card, how can i get back in and add a kernel module for my system |
| 12:51.15 | asg | liable: to the lobby! |
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| 12:51.19 | raboof | greycat: i see, thanks |
| 12:51.29 | jethro | liable: how do you manage to have it happen twice ? |
| 12:51.30 | Phated | shingouz: We may thus conclude that living in rough conditions affect people in different ways and the previous statement is a gross overgeneralisation. |
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| 12:51.43 | illsci | ? |
| 12:51.45 | shingouz | Phated: True |
| 12:51.49 | doub | Phated: of course, that's the primary reaction everyone has. but on the long run, things tend to go that way. i've been visiting some of the poorest places of paris, which is far from being poor compared to other countries, and yet they are helping each other in every possible way |
| 12:51.55 | liable | stupid, go out for smoke, and door locks byitself :( |
| 12:52.02 | jethro | hah |
| 12:52.23 | shingouz | liable: Use superglue to glue the key to your hand? ;) |
| 12:52.29 | Phated | doub: We mean different things by rough, then. Or at least, we place different levels of things to mean rough. |
| 12:52.33 | jethro | or smoke in your room |
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| 12:52.50 | liable | basrard whole hotel is smoke free |
| 12:52.51 | asg | illsci: boot it, login as root, use modprobe or modconf (if you happen to have it installed) to add the correct nic module. Don't forget to add it to /etc/modules. |
| 12:53.08 | jethro | liable: what's the hotel, so I never go to such a one? |
| 12:53.09 | liable | s/basrard/bastard |
| 12:53.19 | doub | Phated: having no money to pay your meal, no regular place to live, accounts for it |
| 12:53.20 | directhex|work | illsci, which version of debian, which card? |
| 12:53.21 | Guerin | doub: I'm travelling by land and sea from korea to scotland next year. I expect I'll get a good test of your hypothesis |
| 12:53.37 | Phated | doub: Yeah, OK. |
| 12:53.46 | jethro | liable: you're locked out but can IRC? you smoke with your laptop? |
| 12:53.54 | illsci | its debian 3.0 r4 and its a Realtech semi gigabit ethernet card |
| 12:53.58 | aardvark | i see doub is whining again. |
| 12:53.59 | liable | jethro: no, just got back? |
| 12:54.04 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support |
| 12:54.04 | dpkg | i heard woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 12:54.04 | asg | semi-gigabit? |
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| 12:54.11 | jethro | ah ok thought you were out and no option to get in :) |
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| 12:54.14 | MobyTurbo | !woody hardware |
| 12:54.15 | liable | dunno why I added the ? |
| 12:54.18 | aardvark | !sarge hardware support |
| 12:54.21 | aardvark | :-| |
| 12:54.24 | goron | !udev |
| 12:54.24 | dpkg | it has been said that udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 12:54.26 | illsci | RealTech semiconductor |
| 12:54.29 | takatumi | aardvark: ltns |
| 12:54.34 | illsci | and I know how to load a module and configure a linux system |
| 12:54.39 | goron | !devfs |
| 12:54.39 | dpkg | hmm... devfs is obsolete and will be removed from the upstream Linux kernel shortly. See <http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01072.html>. |
| 12:54.40 | illsci | im just not sure of the "debian" way |
| 12:54.46 | aardvark | !tell goron about msg the bots |
| 12:54.50 | rj- | How do i make mysql listen on the network interface eth0? |
| 12:54.50 | illsci | or getting back into configuration for the kernel |
| 12:54.54 | PerfDave | Is there any decent documentation on getting serial consoles working properly? I've got a Debian install on my firewall, which has been set up as per the Remote Serial Console HOWTO, and a laptop with a Knoppix CD, and a null modem cable. minicom appears to be a pile of shit. |
| 12:54.54 | rj- | it works fine for localhost |
| 12:54.57 | greycat | illsci: don't even attempt to run a gigabit NIC on woody. Just run sarge. |
| 12:55.03 | asg | rj-: remove the 'skip-networking' option in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 12:55.12 | rj- | asg: thanks :) |
| 12:55.16 | directhex|work | dpkg, sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. |
| 12:55.16 | illsci | Im not sure of what I have then |
| 12:55.16 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
| 12:55.17 | takatumi | and 2.6 just to be sure. |
| 12:55.21 | raboof | cool. devfs outdated even before i started using it :) |
| 12:55.24 | illsci | i downloaded the isos off the debian.org site |
| 12:55.28 | illsci | and installed it witih a 2.4 kenrel |
| 12:55.30 | illsci | kernel |
| 12:55.39 | goron | Does Debian use Udev in a 2.6 kernel? |
| 12:55.47 | illsci | and i just want to get it online so i can apt-get distupgrade with the unstable sources |
| 12:55.49 | directhex|work | illsci, that's nice, but it doesn't support your hardware, if the hardware isn't in 2.4.18 |
| 12:55.49 | greycat | goron: only if you install udev. |
| 12:55.49 | illsci | but i need to get it online first |
| 12:55.53 | directhex|work | goron, if you install udev |
| 12:55.53 | liable | >2.6.8 |
| 12:55.57 | illsci | well |
| 12:56.00 | illsci | how do i get sarge then |
| 12:56.01 | takatumi | goron: with gnome, it's default. |
| 12:56.06 | asg | illsci: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 12:56.06 | directhex|work | !d-i illsci |
| 12:56.07 | dpkg | illsci, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 12:56.35 | goron | takatumi: And... does it work? |
| 12:56.37 | illsci | ok ill read up on it |
| 12:56.55 | illsci | i never use debian but i want to give it another shot |
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| 12:57.08 | takatumi | goron: works here, but I've heard complaints and bug reports, yet to face any bugs here though. |
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| 12:57.20 | Cr0n0s | save all |
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| 12:57.43 | goron | takatumi: It's already installed. Does this mean I am using it? |
| 12:57.44 | takatumi | Cr0n0s: from whom? or what? |
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| 12:58.21 | Cr0n0s | exit |
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| 12:58.37 | liable | Cr0 |
| 12:58.43 | doub | Guerin: that's just logical : if you don't have enough to live youself, you can have it altogether. that's a case of limiting factor: suppose you want to cook, but have only one component, your neighbour has another, the next one has yet another and so on. better join and cook together |
| 12:59.07 | asg | doub: or kill 'em all and collect the components |
| 12:59.08 | takatumi | goron: what exactly are you trying to fix? |
| 12:59.09 | illsci | whats sarge and woody? |
| 12:59.15 | illsci | is woody 3.0 |
| 12:59.17 | illsci | and sarge somethign else |
| 12:59.18 | asg | illsci: 3.1 and 3.0 respectively |
| 12:59.22 | illsci | ok |
| 12:59.40 | greycat | almost 9am here. |
| 12:59.43 | greycat | bah, ECHAN |
| 12:59.48 | asg | 9:01 here |
| 12:59.51 | takatumi | 16:00 here. |
| 12:59.54 | doub | asg: that's what rich societies tend to make you do. if not for real, at least try to break any chance for the others to succeed |
| 12:59.59 | petemc | 13:59 < greycat> almost 9am here |
| 13:00.01 | asg | doub: :) |
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| 13:02.57 | goron | takatumi: I am configuring my own kernel because the default is way to slow. |
| 13:03.28 | bip | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.29 | goron | takatumi: And there's an option devfs, which states it's OBSOLETE, but I thought Debian still used it by default. |
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| 13:04.30 | liable | goron: define, way to slow, I think you may be mislead in your thoughts |
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| 13:05.41 | goron | liable: In UT2004 I get 20 frames when I am in a certain position of the map. This is >3 times slower than on Windows. I once had running a Linux distribution(I think Debian or Arch), which was on par with Windows. |
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| 13:06.41 | goron | liable: It's CPU bound and Linux is doing some useless stuff. |
| 13:06.56 | goron | At least that's what I think. |
| 13:07.05 | goron | I have all the option at lowest. |
| 13:07.14 | goron | er options. |
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| 13:07.59 | goron | liable: Do 4Kb stacks increase performance? |
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| 13:08.09 | takatumi | goron: I don't have devfs enabled in the kernel. |
| 13:08.25 | liable | hmm, ok, not what I was thinking, yes remember direxhex talking to you about that now :) |
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| 13:08.52 | goron | liable: :) |
| 13:08.55 | liable | or was it? hmm, confusing myself I think |
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| 13:09.07 | goron | liable: I was under a different username. |
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| 13:09.27 | procrastinator | Has anyone made a Wacom tablet work under 2.6? |
| 13:09.28 | liable | thank god, thought i was going mad :) |
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| 13:09.58 | greycat | oh, you probably *are* going mad. |
| 13:10.13 | greycat | but that's tangential. |
| 13:10.14 | liable | yes, bwahaha |
| 13:10.19 | Anders1 | uh, how do you reconfigure dpkg-reconfigure, i can't remember the package name |
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| 13:10.28 | Anders1 | i tried dpkg-reconfigure dpkg-reconfigure, and dpkg etc but nope, wasn't it |
| 13:10.33 | greycat | Anders1: debconf |
| 13:10.43 | Anders1 | ahh |
| 13:10.48 | Anders1 | i'm silly ;9 |
| 13:10.49 | Anders1 | ;) * |
| 13:11.07 | greycat | Anders1: see also 'dpkg -S dpkg-reconfigure' |
| 13:11.15 | goron | But do 4Kb stacks help performance or not? I hear a lot of Gentoo slackers use it. But is it faster? |
| 13:11.18 | Anders1 | greycat: thanks alot |
| 13:11.31 | Anders1 | was a bit annoying to use GNOME for dpkg-reconfigure :S |
| 13:11.36 | takatumi | if you can't remember all the names, the configure-debian package might be useful. |
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| 13:15.08 | goron | I found a webpage that says that I should disable Local APIC support on uniprocessors (X86_UP_APIC) on Debian with a Nvidia card. Why? |
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| 13:15.41 | Gathond | goron: the webpage does not say? |
| 13:16.08 | msn | I am using the debian port of courier-maildrop the problem is it doesn't seem to read mysql config, is there a way I can make it read maildropmysql.config which I made while I set up the same server on Fedora using basically source compilations |
| 13:16.12 | Gathond | goron: There might be/have been an error in the nvidia binary drivers when using APIC |
| 13:16.17 | npx | If the README from Nvidia doesn't mention it, I wouldn't concern myself wth it. |
| 13:16.29 | npx | It's a pretty all-inclusive README |
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| 13:16.51 | Anders1 | another question - where is $EDITOR set? it isn't set in /etc/profile |
| 13:17.02 | npx | By default, I don't think it is. |
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| 13:17.05 | greycat | !wikifaq Anders1 DotFiles |
| 13:17.06 | dpkg | Anders1: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 13:17.34 | Anders1 | thanks |
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| 13:18.43 | Akiraw | could anyone help me with apt-listbugs. Dont know how it works. I have read the man but still dont know. I do like this: apt-listbugs list but nothing shows up |
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| 13:19.04 | goron | Gathond: No. |
| 13:19.13 | ThAnAtHoS | Hi, If some one can help me with my VideoCard Conf. So i can Change my Screen Resolution Please Say my nick name in the channel (Ati Rage 128. Debian) |
| 13:19.15 | streuner | Akiraw: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 13:19.19 | goron | Gathond: But it does not effect performance? |
| 13:19.37 | Akiraw | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 13:19.53 | Gathond | goron: dont, know, but if anything I would think it affects stability |
| 13:20.18 | streuner | Akiraw: well, if you have no bugs in the list of installed packages you will get no output then |
| 13:20.20 | goron | Gathond: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
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| 13:20.38 | goron | Gathond: I hate it when people don't say why you should do anything. |
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| 13:21.09 | Akiraw | streuner, ok but how do listbugs work? will it just list bugs in installed packages? i thougt it showed bugs in packages thats not yet updated to prevent me from updating it |
| 13:21.15 | lplp | shingouz, you may want to know this, i got things working. |
| 13:21.46 | Gathond | goron: try googleing nvidia linux and APIC |
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| 13:22.25 | goron | Gathond: It smells like:"I think you should undergo brainsurgery". Me: Why? "Just trust me". Me: WTF? |
| 13:22.31 | goron | Gathond: Ok |
| 13:23.07 | Gathond | goron: or as someone suggested, read the documentation of the nvidia driver and check if they mention any issues |
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| 13:23.07 | Debian\Pwns | hey can anyone reccomend me a good imap server? |
| 13:23.08 | Mage\work | courier-imapd |
| 13:23.10 | streuner | Akiraw: again, you have libc6 installed and there is a NEW version into unstable, it downloads the package and compares it with bugs.debian.org, if there is an bug it shows you this bug(s), you can upgrade or NOT then. |
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| 13:23.13 | Mage\work | or cyrus-imapd |
| 13:23.22 | Debian\Pwns | thanks |
| 13:23.27 | directhex|work | !cyrus |
| 13:23.27 | dpkg | i heard cyrus is the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. Its homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. <greycat> cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN" |
| 13:23.45 | Mage\work | !courier |
| 13:23.45 | dpkg | [courier] an mta, a pop3 and an imap server, all of which are pretty good. |
| 13:23.51 | Mage\work | !courier-imap |
| 13:23.55 | Mage\work | mmh |
| 13:24.08 | Debian\Pwns | sweet |
| 13:24.16 | Bhaal | Anyone know if the Radeon 9250 has an onboard mpeg decoder? |
| 13:24.21 | Akiraw | streuner, ahh ok when i do apt-get upgrade and it finds upgrades it will warn me automaticly if theres a bug ? |
| 13:24.30 | liable | g'nite |
| 13:24.35 | ThAnAtHoS | Hi, If some one can help me with my VideoCard Conf. So i can Change my Screen Resolution Please Say my nick name in the channel (Ati Rage 128. Debian) |
| 13:24.49 | goron | Gathond: Did that. |
| 13:24.53 | mwilson | Akiraw: ATI's web site does. |
| 13:24.58 | streuner | Akiraw: yes |
| 13:25.13 | PerfDave | !drxx ThAnAtHoS |
| 13:25.14 | dpkg | ThAnAtHoS: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 13:25.16 | Akiraw | streuner, ok cool and i just need apt-listbugs installed? |
| 13:25.27 | streuner | Akiraw: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 13:25.34 | Akiraw | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.35 | ThAnAtHoS | Thankyou PerfDave that was what i was looking 4 :D |
| 13:25.47 | streuner | Akiraw: who told you to upgrade to unstable, because i want to shoot him? |
| 13:26.17 | Akiraw | streuner, his name was drac |
| 13:26.25 | Akiraw | streuner, he is here somethimes |
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| 13:26.56 | nydust | how do i restore the default samba config files (reinstall samba) |
| 13:26.57 | Akiraw | streuner, i didnt "upgrade" i installed it from scratch |
| 13:27.31 | streuner | Akiraw: how come you have unstable/sid now? You installed unstable from sid CD's? |
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| 13:28.25 | Akiraw | streuner, yea i think so. I got help from drac. But i burned a 100mb cd and installed from internet. |
| 13:28.31 | Akiraw | streuner, are you sure its unstable? |
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| 13:28.47 | McJesus | I think I have fallen in love with this OS. =[ |
| 13:28.52 | takatumi | streuner: expert26 gives you the unstable option. |
| 13:28.59 | streuner | <Akiraw> streuner, ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 13:29.05 | Debian\Pwns | wth` i just installed cyrus-imapd thru apt-get .. and i cant find out how to start it :\ .. not even in the doc files |
| 13:29.10 | Crasp | hi, what's a good application to graphically design a database? |
| 13:29.18 | Akiraw | streuner, so libc6 is sid? |
| 13:29.19 | streuner | takatumi: oh, ic |
| 13:29.28 | ThAnAtHoS | PerfDave, any other command to do this ? i cant make it work :( |
| 13:29.37 | greycat | I think sarge and sid both have the same libc6 right now |
| 13:29.41 | PerfDave | ThAnAtHoS: What do you mean, you "can't make it work"? |
| 13:29.43 | greycat | !info libc6 sarge |
| 13:29.47 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-21 (sarge), Packaged size: 4786 kB, Installed size: 15556 kB |
| 13:29.51 | streuner | greycat: sarge has still -21 |
| 13:29.51 | mwilson | Howinhell are you supposed to normalize a database with a GUI? |
| 13:29.57 | greycat | !lose greycat |
| 13:29.59 | dpkg | greycat: You Lose. |
| 13:30.03 | npx | Crasp, I don't know any that are really comparable to Excel on linux, unfortunately |
| 13:30.07 | cbr | version 2.3.5 of glibc is out already |
| 13:30.14 | ThAnAtHoS | PerfDave, well i get a 400x600 Resolution |
| 13:30.26 | npx | I typically just use a pen and paper to get a concept of what i want to be in the db |
| 13:30.26 | streuner | cbr: sure, that means not, that a newbie should run unstable |
| 13:30.33 | mwilson | npx: You use Excel to design databases? |
| 13:30.34 | takatumi | 13hours left to dist-upgrade completion. |
| 13:30.35 | Akiraw | streuner, but it says sarge? |
| 13:30.41 | cbr | streuner: i mean out.. not in debian |
| 13:30.41 | npx | I have used Excel to design databases |
| 13:31.05 | streuner | Akiraw: no, you are running unstable/sid |
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| 13:31.15 | Akiraw | damnit |
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| 13:31.22 | ellobo | hi |
| 13:31.30 | Akiraw | streuner, then i just have to uninstall then =( |
| 13:31.40 | takatumi | Akiraw: why so? |
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| 13:31.58 | Akiraw | takatumi, i read that it will crash someday anyway |
| 13:32.04 | Crasp | npx: i don't like to make a database design in excel actually |
| 13:32.09 | takatumi | Akiraw: so will you. |
| 13:32.15 | Crasp | npx: i was more thinking something like visio |
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| 13:32.23 | Akiraw | takatumi, do you run sid too? |
| 13:32.26 | npx | there's a KDE clone of visio |
| 13:32.30 | mwilson | So use Visio. |
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| 13:32.31 | takatumi | Akiraw: yes. |
| 13:32.38 | ColonelKernel | what is the current kernel version for sarge? |
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| 13:32.45 | ellobo | i noticed in the last few days that when i install anything 'apt-get install xxx' it takes a long time "Reading database...", maybe it is because i have too much programs installed. Is this supposed to happen in that case ? |
| 13:32.46 | Akiraw | takatumi, arent you afraid that it will crash? |
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| 13:32.54 | asg | ColonelKernel: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 13:32.56 | PerfDave | ThAnAtHoS: What happens when you type "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"? |
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| 13:33.04 | takatumi | Akiraw: read up the docs, learn. |
| 13:33.10 | streuner | ColonelKernel: why? |
| 13:33.20 | Akiraw | takatumi, i read the docs.....Thats why im afraid. |
| 13:33.27 | ColonelKernel | I was considering giving debian a shot but I wanted at least 2.6.10 |
| 13:33.32 | takatumi | Akiraw: which docs? |
| 13:33.39 | asg | ColonelKernel: then compile your own |
| 13:33.42 | Akiraw | takatumi, the sid docs |
| 13:33.52 | cbr | ColonelKernel: in unstable there is 2.6.11 |
| 13:34.08 | ThAnAtHoS | PerfDave, i get the configuration Blue screen, I select my Video Device Driver (Ati) and i continue with the configuration. i Write the data to the File... and nothing happens |
| 13:34.08 | takatumi | Akiraw: ok, reinstall sarge then. |
| 13:34.20 | asg | ThAnAtHoS: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 13:34.26 | PerfDave | ThAnAtHoS: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 13:34.26 | mwilson | Yes, but Debian's 2.6.11 is crap... they still haven't given up on devfs. |
| 13:34.28 | Akiraw | takatumi, maybe. but aint you afraid that it will crash? |
| 13:34.31 | ColonelKernel | if I may ask, what would be the benefits of debian linux over fedora? |
| 13:34.32 | streuner | ColonelKernel: why do you think you need 2.6.10? |
| 13:34.34 | ellobo | hum... like allways ... i cannot get anyones attention... maybe i need to learn how to ask first :P |
| 13:34.38 | Crasp | mwilson: i don't have a windows pc and i don't have a visio license, so therefor i cannot use visio |
| 13:34.40 | asg | ColonelKernel: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 13:34.48 | ColonelKernel | streuner, IMHO better faster stronger more stable |
| 13:34.51 | takatumi | Akiraw: no. |
| 13:34.52 | cbr | mwilson: you can disable devfs |
| 13:34.54 | Akiraw | can i reinstall sarge and keep my settings? |
| 13:34.57 | PerfDave | ThAnAtHoS: You need to restart X after you've reconfigured it. |
| 13:35.02 | Akiraw | takatumi, how long have you been using it? |
| 13:35.10 | ThAnAtHoS | ok |
| 13:35.12 | shining | ColonelKernel: iuho |
| 13:35.22 | mwilson | cbr: Of course I can disable devfs. *If* I build my own kernel, which kind of removes the need to use the Debian-compiled kernel. |
| 13:35.28 | streuner | ColonelKernel: Iam running acutually an 2.6.9 kernel in unstable/sid, and iam satisfied with it |
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| 13:35.30 | takatumi | Althaser: since last August. |
| 13:35.38 | ColonelKernel | streuner, cool |
| 13:35.39 | cbr | mwilson: wtf.. devfs=nomount to kernel bootline |
| 13:35.42 | cbr | and you have no devfs |
| 13:35.46 | takatumi | Akiraw: ^ |
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| 13:35.56 | Kurniady | I have a Samba installed on Debian Woody connected with a windows XP pc via gigabit ethernet. Why does the samba works "well" (i.e I am able to browse files from the WinXP computer) only if I run a "ping -f <ip of the winxp>" from the debian? (without it, the samba responses are extremely slow) |
| 13:36.04 | PerfDave | Akiraw: What settings do you want to keep when you reinstall? |
| 13:36.05 | mwilson | No, you have no mounted devfs. Does nothing for the kernel stupidities at boot. |
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| 13:36.09 | shining | ColonelKernel: anyway, if you worry about kernel perf, you should compil it urself so you can have whatever u want |
| 13:36.21 | greycat | !u |
| 13:36.21 | PerfDave | shining: That's bollocks. |
| 13:36.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:36.35 | Akiraw | PerfDave, all system settings like kernelsettings and my nvidia drivers and so on |
| 13:36.43 | cbr | mwilson: huh? |
| 13:36.47 | takatumi | he got all the yous except the last u |
| 13:36.52 | ColonelKernel | shining, I have found that to be the case, plus I can tweak out the settings and give myself features I find useful |
| 13:36.54 | MikeH | hi guys, I have a hardware/software promise raid controller (sata) how is it possible to access this raid array under linux? |
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| 13:36.57 | greycat | takatumi: "urself", too. |
| 13:36.58 | ColonelKernel | like kernel pre emption |
| 13:37.00 | PerfDave | Akiraw: Kernel settings? |
| 13:37.00 | asg | Kurniady: do you have two machines with the same ip? |
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| 13:37.13 | Akiraw | PerfDave, i got help to compile the kernel to fit my computer. |
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| 13:37.19 | takatumi | greycat: that's adds to the complexities. |
| 13:37.19 | PerfDave | Akiraw: You'll have to reinstall your nVidia drivers if you reinstall the PC, but you don't need to do anything with the kernel to install nVidia drivers. |
| 13:37.21 | mwilson | cbr: Pay attention at boot sometme. |
| 13:37.24 | takatumi | s/t's/t |
| 13:37.29 | PerfDave | Akiraw: Why did you compile your own kernel? |
| 13:37.30 | Anders1 | 15:37:07 * resiak was running his own kernel with nice shiny bootsplash and framebuffer -- disaster. Computer became unusable without a reboot after about three days of use.<-- how did it become unusable? |
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| 13:37.39 | resiak | Anders1: X slowed to a crawl. |
| 13:37.45 | ColonelKernel | I usually just change the stock config a little bit, i prefer not to do the whole kernel build from scratch. |
| 13:37.46 | Anders1 | resiak: i wonder why |
| 13:37.48 | Akiraw | PerfDave, So it would be the best for my system |
| 13:37.54 | shining | PerfDave: s/perf// then |
| 13:37.59 | zignig | has anyone had any trouble with pppoe and nat recently ? |
| 13:38.00 | Kurniady | asg: no, it is a peer-to-peer connection with two gigabit NIC connected through a crossed cable |
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| 13:38.03 | ColonelKernel | sorry the whole config from scratch I mean |
| 13:38.10 | resiak | Anders1: So do I, but I just switched back to a stock kernel. |
| 13:38.15 | PerfDave | Akiraw: that's a fallacy, recopiling your kernel rarely gives you any significant speed advantage. |
| 13:38.26 | asg | Kurniady: hmm, odd. Same duplex settings on both? |
| 13:38.31 | resiak | Akiraw: My experience has been the exact opposite. |
| 13:38.31 | Akiraw | PerfDave, ahh ok. |
| 13:38.33 | shining | ColonelKernel: you take debian default or kernel default? |
| 13:38.39 | streuner | If a newbie ask next time, i want to use debian, but i want the latest kernel, should we suggest next time unstable? ;-) |
| 13:38.44 | asg | streuner: never |
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| 13:39.18 | takatumi | PerfDave: I find it much stabler than packaged kernels. |
| 13:39.18 | Phated | Hell no. |
| 13:39.18 | Akiraw | PerfDave, if i someday want to install a more stable version of debian than sid. wich one shall i choose? |
| 13:39.18 | greycat | streuner: ask WHY he wants the "latest" kernel rather than the "best" kernel. |
| 13:39.19 | resiak | !d-i Akiraw |
| 13:39.19 | dpkg | Akiraw, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:39.19 | Kurniady | asg: both has same NIC, both detected 1000mbps link and both are full duplex I guess |
| 13:39.19 | cbr | the latest kernel usually is the best one |
| 13:39.25 | asg | Kurniady: don't guess, check with ethertool or mii-tool |
| 13:39.25 | resiak | cbr: No, that's not true. |
| 13:39.29 | xelam | pah, packaged kernels are perfectly stable :S |
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| 13:39.32 | jethro | hah |
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| 13:39.35 | ColonelKernel | greycat, best is a matter of opinion. I havent found the 2.6.9 series of kernels to be very good speedwise |
| 13:39.40 | streuner | greycat: i know, i had the same thoughts, compare each distro, what they have or not... |
| 13:39.40 | flevour | hi all |
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| 13:40.23 | jethro | it's funny to see people troll and state facts with no further argumentation |
| 13:40.27 | Akiraw | where cam i find the boot config im using grub? |
| 13:40.33 | jethro | s/tation/ts |
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| 13:40.37 | Kurniady | asg: I checked when I install the NIC and I'm sure it's full duplex on the windowsXP. the setup was fine until few days ago.. any idea? |
| 13:40.49 | cbr | Akiraw: /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 13:40.52 | mwilson | cbr: Since when? |
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| 13:40.56 | Akiraw | cbr, thanks |
| 13:41.01 | asg | Kurniady: or ethtool rather than ethertool. (I'd check the other box to be sure.) |
| 13:41.19 | asg | Kurniady: also, have you upgrade recently? |
| 13:41.26 | asg | s/ade/aded/ |
| 13:41.27 | cbr | mwilson: since ever? isnt that the purpose of new version? to make things better? |
| 13:41.31 | takatumi | Akiraw: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:41.34 | flevour | hi all, i have problems with cups. after i configure and try to print the test page nothing happens. foomatic works ok (checked log), cups log is reporting a 404 error that i cant track down, anyone can help me? |
| 13:41.43 | mwilson | cbr: Hardly. |
| 13:41.45 | Akiraw | takatumi, Thank you |
| 13:41.57 | cbr | mwilson: your ideology troubles me |
| 13:41.58 | Kurniady | asg: no update... I think the problem started when both computers experienced a power blackout. |
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| 13:42.25 | mwilson | cbr: It troubles me that you don't know what ideology means. |
| 13:42.25 | asg | Kurniady: a nic could have been fried perhaps. |
| 13:42.25 | ColonelKernel | ok all thanks for your time |
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| 13:42.25 | takatumi | cbr: you are blinded in your own. |
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| 13:42.53 | Akiraw | how do i set wich kernel it shall automaticly start up in grub? |
| 13:42.55 | flevour | sometimes i get the printer to blink for seconds, some others for minutes |
| 13:42.59 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 13:42.59 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 13:43.17 | PerfDave | What initstring do I want to send over a null-modem link from minicom to getty? |
| 13:43.20 | greycat | Akiraw: examine /boot/grub/menu.lst *carefully* and then maybe consider editing it. |
| 13:43.30 | Kurniady | asg: how can I check that any of the NIC have been fried? |
| 13:43.34 | greycat | PerfDave: nothing, or perhaps a Ctrl-D character. |
| 13:43.39 | Akiraw | greycat, ive done that but i cant find where to edit |
| 13:43.48 | takatumi | Akiraw: look at the "default saved" option. |
| 13:44.03 | PerfDave | greycat: Are there any programs to talk over a serial connection that don't suck complete shit? |
| 13:44.26 | greycat | PerfDave: minicom's not terrible. |
| 13:44.41 | Kurniady | asg: when I run the ethtool, it showed Cannot get device settings: Operation not supported |
| 13:44.41 | Akiraw | takatumi, i have a list of available kernels there shall i just edit so the one i want to use is at the top? |
| 13:44.47 | cbr | the fastest and most feature-rich kernel is the best kernel for me.. ofcourse it's gotta be stable too but for desktop operations you dont need some hardened kernel with selinux |
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| 13:44.51 | asg | Kurniady: try mii-tool instead. |
| 13:44.56 | PerfDave | greycat: It seems to be designed for talking to modems, and has no sensible documentation or defaults for null modem usage |
| 13:45.11 | asg | Kurniady: the only way to verify if/which nic might be bad is to replace them one at a time with known good nics. |
| 13:45.13 | shining | of course, some ppl care about perf and some care about stability, so "better" is quite subjective |
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| 13:45.52 | McKillroy | Anyone here with java experience ? I have big problems getting tool running which goes fine under windows, but not at my debian installation. |
| 13:45.58 | takatumi | Akiraw: no need, if you have "savedefault" below the kernel line, the last one you boot will be the default. |
| 13:46.04 | greycat | PerfDave: I use it to talk to our SATA-to-SCSI RAID devices over a serial line, without any problems. I just had to turn off hardware flow control. |
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| 13:46.26 | jethro | PerfDave: you can use ckermit also |
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| 13:46.40 | takatumi | Akiraw: or specify which number is the "default". |
| 13:46.57 | Debian\Pwns | can anyone help .. i am getting this when i type imapd |
| 13:46.57 | Debian\Pwns | * Bu Bye Fatal error: can't read mailboxes file |
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| 13:47.01 | takatumi | Akiraw: read the comments in /boot/grub/menu.lst, that should be enough. |
| 13:47.04 | abrotman | McKillroy: did you use java-package ? |
| 13:47.06 | Debian\Pwns | bye`* |
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| 13:47.28 | abrotman | noones imap says Bu Bye |
| 13:47.34 | Kurniady | asg: I have an idea on testing them.. let me try first :) thx. |
| 13:47.35 | greycat | Debian\Pwns: so don't type that. |
| 13:47.36 | Akiraw | takatumi, thanks for your help! |
| 13:47.49 | Debian\Pwns | well how do i sort the imap server? |
| 13:47.55 | PerfDave | For fuck's sake, is it so hard for people to use "performance" instead of "perf"? I've got a bunch of retards talking about kernel compilation "perf" in my awaylog :/ |
| 13:47.57 | tarzeau | why can't a depend on www-browser ? |
| 13:47.59 | greycat | you don't sort it. it's already pre-sorted. |
| 13:47.59 | McKillroy | abrotman: no . I used the deb at ftp.tux.org/debian |
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| 13:48.05 | Debian\Pwns | Oh ok |
| 13:48.10 | Debian\Pwns | how do i add a mailbox? |
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| 13:48.17 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 13:48.17 | dpkg | hmm... mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 13:48.22 | win2005 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:48.55 | Debian\Pwns | thanks greycat |
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| 13:49.24 | Kurniady | asg: is it normal for a fried NIC to operate slowly? I thought if it's fried then it shouldn't be functioning at all? |
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| 13:49.55 | doub | Kurniady: define fried |
| 13:49.58 | McKillroy | abrotman: BTW - my recent kernel crashes were not due to grsecurity, but Athlon overheating - silver thermal grease helped in the end and lowered by 10° C. |
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| 13:50.10 | greycat | maybe his is medium-rare |
| 13:50.15 | abrotman | McKillroy: should i know about this ? |
| 13:50.15 | Kurniady | doub: kind of having some electric shock |
| 13:50.27 | PerfDave | greycat: I periodically get a login prompt, but not always, and then it seems to hang after that. |
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| 13:50.32 | McKillroy | abrotman: you helped a bit about trackingt the error. |
| 13:50.36 | tarzeau | ah lintians -v explains it clearly |
| 13:50.41 | abrotman | McKillroy: yay .. i think |
| 13:50.49 | abrotman | McKillroy: oh .. i thought it wsa bad ram ? |
| 13:51.08 | tarzeau | how can i list all packages that provide www-browser? |
| 13:51.20 | McKillroy | abrotman: No - wasnt ... Since it was a used server the thermal grease seemed to have been corrupted |
| 13:51.29 | asg | Kurniady: it's hard to say. |
| 13:51.44 | greycat | tarzeau: apt-cache showpkg |
| 13:51.47 | abrotman | McKillroy: that sounds nasty :) |
| 13:51.58 | doub | Kurniady: it might just cause random electronic disruptions and yet continue to operate |
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| 13:52.53 | McKillroy | abrotman: I used a high tech silver paste and lowered temp from over 70 °C to 55° and under full load its always below 65 now |
| 13:53.08 | abrotman | McKillroy: that's sounding much better than random crashing :) |
| 13:53.19 | simonrvn | fuck, i get worried when it hits 40... |
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| 13:53.30 | Kurniady | doub: is there any simple way of testing wether the NIC is experiencing that problem? (I don't have an identical spare NIC) |
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| 13:53.34 | mikeX | mine is ~50 all the time : ( |
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| 13:53.38 | McKillroy | abrotman: It was a big relief - I was afraid the board was broken. |
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| 13:53.47 | idealbsd | which file should be modified if want to edit login warn info message from bastille? /etc/issue is just auto created |
| 13:53.56 | asg | Kurniady: well, even different nics will help determine whether it is hardware of system configuration. |
| 13:54.05 | McKillroy | abrotman: The machine is very stable now, but I have this java problem |
| 13:54.12 | abrotman | McKillroy: yeah .. random crashiness ishard to diagnose |
| 13:54.35 | abrotman | McKillroy: i've always used java-package .. but maybe your program isn't compatible with the jdk version you have ? |
| 13:54.35 | McKillroy | I first had to correct some sensors problems to get a proper diagnosis |
| 13:54.50 | Kurniady | asg: I'll try switching the Samba to use the other connection, so if it runs well then I should assume no problem with the NIC right? |
| 13:54.54 | McKillroy | abrotman: its reported to work with 1.4.2 |
| 13:54.59 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 13:55.01 | McKillroy | abrotman: which I have |
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| 13:55.11 | abrotman | McKillroy: i'd still use java-package .. it's the "debian way" to do java |
| 13:55.11 | doub | Kurniady: enable the standard test protocols on your inetd, like echo. send data there, see if it gets back. watch for errors reported by dmesg or ifconfig output |
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| 13:55.31 | abrotman | doub: did filezilla work ok ? |
| 13:55.40 | asg | Kurniady: if it works over one connection but not the other, I'd suspect a problem with the other. |
| 13:55.45 | McKillroy | abrotman: I thought the debs on tux.org are made that way .. |
| 13:55.58 | Kurniady | doub: ping -f reported 0 lost packet |
| 13:56.28 | asg | Kurniady: did you check for errors in the samba logs and syslog also? |
| 13:56.34 | doub | abrotman: we've been trying winscp instead, in fact. and it works, but it's damn slow. 2.5 kb/s average whereas available bandwidth is 35 kb/s |
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| 13:56.40 | Kurniady | asg: let me check |
| 13:57.19 | abrotman | doub: the client is a slow machine ? |
| 13:57.30 | abrotman | McKillroy: i can't say that for certain |
| 13:57.41 | doub | Kurniady: these are small packets AFAIK. sending huge data with echo might help |
| 13:58.03 | Kurniady | doub: can I just use ping with bigger packets? |
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| 13:58.13 | idealbsd | which file should be modified if want to edit login warn info message from bastille? /etc/issue is just auto created |
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| 13:58.37 | doub | abrotman: not really slow, it'a a recent (6 month) laptop. but i suspect it to be spyware or viruses making the CPU hang, as SFTP also is CPU intensive |
| 13:58.39 | goron | I want to tell a fact to dpkg. Could anyone post the command? |
| 13:58.45 | asg | goron: /msg dpkg help |
| 13:58.59 | abrotman | doub: it is .. but it shouldn't be that slow .. try another client ? |
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| 13:59.31 | abrotman | doub: i use it here with filezilla .. and i go to machines on our lan .. and it's perfectly fine .. desktop is a 2Ghz |
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| 13:59.44 | abrotman | doub: that would have to be some heavy duty spyware :) |
| 13:59.54 | abrotman | doub: have him run ad-aware and spybot S&D |
| 14:00.19 | doub | Kurniady: i think you can, see man ping |
| 14:00.23 | illsci | Im having trouble getting sarge installed on my new laptop, its a brand new sony vaio vgn-a690, linux-laptops.net doesnt have it in there yet, Using the sarge cd I just made when it goes to partition the disk it says no partitionable media found.... when i installed woody it found the disk at /dev/hde and not a which was weird but it did install |
| 14:00.37 | illsci | is there something I can add a driver for this disk or something to get this to work wiht sarge |
| 14:00.50 | doub | Kurniady: but the standard states an upper limit which might not be ethernet's MTU |
| 14:00.51 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 14:01.28 | directhex|work | illsci, 2.4 or 2.6 kernel installation? |
| 14:01.40 | illsci | i just did the default |
| 14:01.50 | Kurniady | well... checked already, pinging from the windows side (with normal packet size) shows 75% packet loss.. |
| 14:01.50 | abrotman | use linux26 |
| 14:01.51 | illsci | should I reboot and choose something at the boot prompt to get a 2.6 kenrel |
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| 14:01.53 | illsci | ok |
| 14:01.56 | illsci | thanks ! |
| 14:01.58 | illsci | ill try it |
| 14:01.59 | directhex|work | boot the installer with "linux26" at the prompt |
| 14:02.07 | doub | abrotman: that's what i'll do. but just setting up the thing through IM took me 2 hours, so... |
| 14:02.21 | abrotman | doub: are you serious ? |
| 14:02.36 | Pierre26B | hi all. can somebody help me about traffic shaping (tc)? |
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| 14:02.47 | abrotman | doub: that's a pretty sad user :) |
| 14:02.48 | asg | Pierre26B: lartc.org |
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| 14:03.05 | doub | abrotman: yes, i had to explain each and every step for key generation, sending them, installing the software and the like |
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| 14:03.10 | goron | asg: Did that, but it gives me not enough information. |
| 14:03.22 | abrotman | doub: i would have gone with the username/passwd storage of filezilla :) |
| 14:03.26 | abrotman | so much less confusing |
| 14:03.39 | asg | goron: then '/msg dpkg <subject> is<reply> foo' |
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| 14:04.29 | Debian\Pwns | i think theres sumthing wrong with my imapd.. i am getting... Error connecting to IMAP server: 192.168.1.4. and 111 : Connection refused |
| 14:04.32 | Debian\Pwns | can anyone help? |
| 14:04.47 | poli | Debian\Pwns: and 111? |
| 14:04.51 | asg | Debian\Pwns: is it listening? (verify with netstat) |
| 14:05.01 | doub | abrotman: of course. but i don't like password auth. my server has been haxored by some script kiddie because of a weak ssh password, so i've disabled password auth |
| 14:05.07 | Debian\Pwns | i mean and as in another error .. |
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| 14:05.24 | illsci | damn |
| 14:05.29 | illsci | it does the same thing for linux26 |
| 14:05.44 | abrotman | doub: but you get to set the passwd :) |
| 14:05.55 | illsci | when i was using woody for like the last day, i kept getting these irq errors to the console |
| 14:06.11 | illsci | but it did let me install the os even though it used /dev/hde |
| 14:06.17 | illsci | instead of /dev/hda |
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| 14:06.30 | illsci | RHEL4 installed fine on it |
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| 14:06.39 | goron | !nvidia slow |
| 14:06.39 | dpkg | nvidia slow is probably Ok, DISABLE agpart in your kernelconfig. Make sure the nvidia driver uses the nvagp driver. |
| 14:06.45 | illsci | i should have written down what driver it was using |
| 14:07.16 | doub | abrotman: of course |
| 14:07.17 | Debian\Pwns | asg theres hundreds in the list .. is there a more direct way i can find out .. or sumthn |
| 14:07.34 | asg | Debian\Pwns: netstat -ntl (look for imap or port 143) |
| 14:07.37 | poli | Debian\Pwns: look for port 143 |
| 14:07.53 | kzar | i think i got the lirc stuff setup right because when i do mode2 and press some buttons stuff does show up on the screen, but when i try and configure the buttons it keeps saying "somthing went wrong" |
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| 14:08.05 | doub | abrotman: anyway, i was thinking about some way just to have public key auth, without actually encrypting contents, as it's not very secret stuff |
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| 14:08.12 | doub | abrotman: do you know of any way? |
| 14:08.19 | asg | Debian\Pwns: you can also verify things manually using telnet (i.e. telnet localhost 143) |
| 14:08.24 | poli | doub: Do you have a really slow computer? |
| 14:08.28 | Debian\Pwns | nah its not there |
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| 14:08.36 | abrotman | doub: encrypted auth with unencrypted transfer .. none that i'm aware of .. sorry |
| 14:08.44 | asg | Debian\Pwns: then check the logs and find out why it didn't start. |
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| 14:08.56 | Kurniady | asg: well, checked already and the winxp's NIC is fine.. I found something weird however.. When running ping -f from the debian side, pinging from the windows side shows 0% packet loss.. any idea of what's happening? |
| 14:08.59 | Debian\Pwns | ok right.. which logs? :) |
| 14:09.08 | mikeX | mousepads are pretty nifty when it comes to wasp hunting : ) |
| 14:09.12 | asg | Debian\Pwns: probably /var/log/mail* |
| 14:09.35 | asg | Kurniady: and without that, pinging from the windows side shows 75% loss? |
| 14:09.49 | illsci | When I go back and redetect the hardware it tells me some of the modules didnt load the ide-scsi, ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect |
| 14:10.09 | jharrisonwk | is a tflop faster then a gflop? |
| 14:10.10 | illsci | is there anyway i can just find out what driver I need for my disks and load it at the start of the install |
| 14:10.11 | illsci | ? |
| 14:10.12 | Debian\Pwns | near the end of the mail log |
| 14:10.13 | Debian\Pwns | May 13 15:00:01 192 postfix/local[23886]: warning: valid_hostname: numeric hostname: 192.168.1.4 |
| 14:10.13 | Debian\Pwns | May 13 15:00:01 192 postfix/local[23886]: warning: valid_hostname: numeric hostname: 168.1.4 |
| 14:10.13 | doub | poli: my friend seems to have, or his CPU is eaten by malware, as we're having 2.5kbit/s average transfer, with 35kb/s available. winscp which he uses states that SFTP is cpu hungry. besides, it's also bandwith hungry, i guess |
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| 14:10.29 | illsci | i would really rather use debian than rhel4 |
| 14:10.31 | asg | Debian\Pwns: that's postfix, not your imap server |
| 14:10.31 | Kurniady | asg: yes, sometimes even 100% |
| 14:10.48 | Debian\Pwns | Oh :| |
| 14:10.50 | asg | Kurniady: very odd. |
| 14:10.59 | n0dez | rhel4 costs $$$ |
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| 14:11.02 | Kurniady | asg: has it anything to do with the high MTU (9000) ? |
| 14:11.04 | n0dez | unless you get centos |
| 14:11.06 | n0dez | or something |
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| 14:11.10 | asg | Kurniady: quite possibly yes |
| 14:11.20 | poli | doub: well... you can always check to make sure it IS the encryption: try some ftp (change passwords before and after!) and verify on speed. |
| 14:11.25 | asg | Kurniady: try dropping it back to 1500 and see if that helps |
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| 14:11.48 | goron | I compiled a kernel The Debian Way for the first time. Do I need to recompile my nvidia drivers now, or does make-kpkg has some integration with module-assistant? |
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| 14:12.08 | mikeX | illsci, i don't think that's a problem, i get that too |
| 14:12.10 | jethro | goron: you need to m-a a-i nvidia |
| 14:12.11 | poli | doub: There is an old and ugly way of letting someone rsh to your box without providing passwords, but I don't think it is what you want. You may probably be better off using some OTP scheme. |
| 14:12.45 | Trewas | doub: I'd doubt very much that cpu could be bottleneck at those speeds (pentium mmx 200mhz runs something like 1.5MB/s with sftp, though that of course depends somewhat on the encryption method) |
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| 14:12.54 | poli | doub: with OTP you don't need to worry about your password being caught and your connection doesn't need to be cyphered. |
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| 14:12.58 | goron | jethro: I am not running the new kernel yet. But a symlink points to the newest kernel source. Is that good enough? |
| 14:13.11 | hcy | how much can you burn to a regular dvd? 4.2G? or 4.4? |
| 14:13.14 | illsci | MikeX you dont think the " No partitional media" warning is a problem? |
| 14:13.15 | doub | poli: i've been thinking about that, but, maybe am i paranoid, ftp seems to be a script kiddie honeypot, and i don't want to bother setting up a secure FTPd for unusual (but huge) file transfers |
| 14:13.16 | hcy | without overburn? |
| 14:13.16 | jethro | goron: I usually boot the new kernel, then build nvidia drivers |
| 14:13.20 | greycat | hcy: keep going. |
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| 14:13.28 | Mage\work | hcy: 4.7 |
| 14:13.31 | mikeX | illsci, lol, no I mean the modules thing |
| 14:13.31 | jethro | goron: dunno what is good or not |
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| 14:13.37 | Mage\work | or 8.5 if it's a dl |
| 14:13.40 | hcy | Mage\work: thanks |
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| 14:13.51 | illsci | well how am i going to get debian on this laptop :) |
| 14:13.54 | IDC | /join #iptables |
| 14:14.01 | goron | jethro: Ok, it uses the old stuff. |
| 14:14.01 | doub | poli: that would involve setting up some sort of tunnel, right ? |
| 14:14.05 | illsci | i guess ill have to figure out what hardware i have first again |
| 14:14.07 | goron | jethro: Of to reboot :) |
| 14:14.08 | asg | illsci: install woody, upgrade (/msg dpkg woody->sarge) |
| 14:14.11 | MikeH | hi there, I'm using debian64 with a asus A8V motherboard, now I have XMMS playing music, but nothing is coming out of my optical output on the sound, any ideas? |
| 14:14.17 | mikeX | illsci, but I was wrong, I don't get all of those messages, just ide-scsi and something else i don't recall |
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| 14:14.20 | IDC | I am back :) |
| 14:14.43 | poli | doub: You can use doub no... google for OTP, there is a package on debian that does that. |
| 14:14.49 | poli | doub: OTP=One time password |
| 14:14.49 | IDC | When i was enjoied using SSH my motherboard went down :( |
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| 14:14.57 | greycat | speaking of which... /me goes and cleans out the latest droppings in his upload dir. |
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| 14:15.09 | IDC | but :) i went out bought another motherboard ,a new keyboard as well :D |
| 14:15.10 | greycat | that explains why I had some lag. |
| 14:15.32 | PerfDave | jethro: Thanks for the ckermit tip, I've got serial console working now :) |
| 14:15.36 | kerneld | greycat: What kind of kitty litter do you use for your inbox? :P |
| 14:15.37 | IDC | bought another 128MB RAM for my Server ....i done those cuz i was mad :> |
| 14:15.56 | jethro | PerfDave: you're welcome. tip is a also a program by the way :p |
| 14:16.01 | poli | doub: the packaged is called opie and you can revert to old rcp if you use it. |
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| 14:16.48 | simonrvn | hello (#)debianers |
| 14:16.50 | asg | doub: just use ssh (windows morons can use ssh.com's free explorer-like sftp/scp client.) |
| 14:16.51 | doub | poli: i thought of One Time Pad, the "only cryptographically secure system" |
| 14:16.55 | jethro | hello simonrvn |
| 14:17.12 | doub | asg: that's what i'm doing right now. but it's damn slow |
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| 14:17.53 | poli | doub: I don't know any implementations of One Time Pad for authentication, but One Time Passwords use the same concept, but do not encrypt. A password is valid for one session only, once it has been used, it becomes useless. |
| 14:17.54 | asg | doub: damn slow is who slow? |
| 14:17.56 | asg | s/who/how/ |
| 14:18.22 | IDC | If i add rules in the INPUT chain in iptables,this will not affect the FORWARD chain ? |
| 14:18.27 | Kurniady | asg: found the problem already... there is some trouble with the cabling.. replugged the cables and now everything are fine.. :-) gigabit NICs are very sensitive with cabling quality.. |
| 14:18.29 | doub | asg: 2.5kb/s compared to 35 kb/s available |
| 14:18.30 | poli | doub: remember that not cyphering connections leaves you vulnerable to man-in-the-middle attacks even if he can't get your password. |
| 14:18.31 | stouset | You know, if I have to say one awesome thing about Dell, it's that they have a diagnostic built into the BIOS, and a more thorough diagnostic on a bootable CD. |
| 14:18.37 | asg | Kurniady: ah, cool. |
| 14:18.45 | stouset | No more, "I'm sorry, sir, but you'll have to install Windows XP for us to support you." |
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| 14:19.08 | asg | doub: then you have a network issue, my zaurus can do 35kb/s over ssh. |
| 14:19.29 | abrocadabro | after I have mounted ipod as a drive, all file or folder name are only limited to six characters with a '~', any ideas how I can get full name support? |
| 14:19.32 | Kurniady | asg: no more packet loss and ping showed 0.1ms average :D |
| 14:19.37 | SDFH_Linux | i have had problems with my dsl and when i told the rep i dont have windows |
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| 14:19.41 | Kurniady | asg: thx a lot, I've got to go now.. |
| 14:19.41 | simonrvn | stouset: oh, so they're doing the smart thing and not assuming everyone is running Macro$haft's bullshit "OS" |
| 14:19.43 | SDFH_Linux | they are like :O |
| 14:19.44 | stouset | abrocadabro: what filesystem? |
| 14:19.44 | asg | Kurniady: glad that was an easy / inexpensive fix. |
| 14:20.00 | SDFH_Linux | yes that is good dell has realized that |
| 14:20.07 | giupy | does first iso cd 3.0r4 support raid and xfilesystem ? |
| 14:20.10 | doub | poli: of course. but that's not as easy in practice than dictionary attacks against a unique and lasting password |
| 14:20.13 | greycat | !pal giupy |
| 14:20.16 | abrocadabro | stouset: fat, the default file system that apple installs under windows |
| 14:20.18 | stouset | simonrvn: Well, that might be part of it. I'd be more inclined to say it simply makes the techs' life a lot easier, since they don't have to worry about software issues. |
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| 14:20.21 | Kurniady | asg: I think I should buy a new factory-made crossed cable.. |
| 14:20.22 | asg | giupy: /msg dpkg d-i (use sarge) |
| 14:20.22 | suzzi | howdy all |
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| 14:20.25 | giupy | ? |
| 14:20.25 | poli | doub: I just had to remind you. :) |
| 14:20.26 | greycat | woody... xfs... hahahahaha |
| 14:20.29 | dfadel | hello guys |
| 14:20.30 | SDFH_Linux | so sarge will become the new stable |
| 14:20.31 | simonrvn | stouset: yup |
| 14:20.32 | ku4a | Is it possible somehow to restrict access to certain ports for a shell user on my system? (iptables or smth like that) |
| 14:20.34 | greycat | SDFH_Linux: yes |
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| 14:20.38 | stouset | abrocadabro: That's a limitation of vfat, though, isn't it? |
| 14:20.41 | asg | Kurniady: might be a good idea. |
| 14:20.42 | simonrvn | xfs on woody? eek |
| 14:20.43 | SDFH_Linux | what will happen to the current stable? |
| 14:20.50 | giupy | greycat there isn't ? |
| 14:20.54 | dfadel | which is better for APC UPS management and monitoring? apcd or apcupsd? |
| 14:20.56 | SDFH_Linux | that will be xtra stable? |
| 14:20.56 | greycat | SDFH_Linux: it will be security-supported for a limited time (probably about a year) |
| 14:21.01 | SDFH_Linux | ah |
| 14:21.02 | stouset | simonrvn: Although the OS-neutral thing is a nice side effect. |
| 14:21.05 | asg | dfadel: whichever one works the best for you. |
| 14:21.06 | SDFH_Linux | so phased out then |
| 14:21.07 | MikeH | hi guys |
| 14:21.08 | suzzi | is there anything special that I need to do if I add fonts to /usr/X...X11/fonts/truetype/* ? |
| 14:21.12 | MikeH | how do i set up alsa properly? |
| 14:21.14 | abrocadabro | stouset: but it displays full names under windows though |
| 14:21.15 | MikeH | I have OSS working |
| 14:21.17 | asg | suzzi: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 14:21.20 | stouset | suzzi: fc-cache |
| 14:21.25 | goron | My new kernel panics with "unable to mount root fs" and also contains a message with VFS(Virtual FileSystem) in it. What's the most likely fix? |
| 14:21.27 | dfadel | asg: is there some difference between they? |
| 14:21.29 | suzzi | asg: cool thanks |
| 14:21.32 | suzzi | stouset: cool thanks |
| 14:21.34 | stouset | abrocadabro: Oh. And doesn't display them in Linux? |
| 14:21.37 | Phated | goron: Compiling your root FS into your kernel. |
| 14:21.49 | asg | dfadel: I don't know, offhand. |
| 14:21.58 | goron | Phated: It's EXT3 (and I have EXT3 support). |
| 14:21.59 | abrocadabro | stouset: no, only six charaters with '~' in the end |
| 14:22.00 | stouset | suzzi: I'm not sure if that's needed any more, though. |
| 14:22.01 | dfadel | asg: ok, thank you |
| 14:22.18 | MikeH | anyone? |
| 14:22.19 | simonrvn | someone forgot to add the initrd |
| 14:22.24 | Phated | goron: It was a suggestion. Check your bootloader config, maybe? |
| 14:22.33 | idealbsd | suzzi, defontmgr to register them |
| 14:22.36 | stouset | abrocadabro: Interesting. I *think* mine lets me have more, but I can't say I've looked. |
| 14:22.41 | goron | Phated: Thanks for the suggestion, already done that. |
| 14:22.41 | jethro | ku4a: look at --owner-uid in iptables manpage |
| 14:22.43 | abrocadabro | stouset: actually fdisk -l says /dev/sda2 is W95 fat32 |
| 14:22.45 | doub | asg: the winscp FAQ, which is used by my friend, indicates SFTP's slowness is a known issue. maybe did they code the encryption algorithm in C#, dunno |
| 14:22.52 | ku4a | jethro: thanks |
| 14:23.01 | suzzi | stouset: well any thing to push me in the right direction |
| 14:23.05 | jethro | ku4a: actually it's uid-owner not owner-uid |
| 14:23.09 | suzzi | idealbsd: cool I'll check that out too |
| 14:23.19 | jethro | ku4a: just look at owner you'll get all details |
| 14:23.20 | MikeH | anyone? I just want to get alsa working? |
| 14:23.24 | MikeH | I want sound other than OSS :/ |
| 14:23.32 | stouset | suzzi: Did dropping fonts there not take effect immediately? |
| 14:23.38 | abrocadabro | stouset: maybe it has something to with encoding, are you using the stock kernel? |
| 14:23.42 | stouset | MikeH: What's the problem? |
| 14:23.43 | jethro | !tell MikeH -about sound |
| 14:23.53 | stouset | abrocadabro: Of course :-) |
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| 14:23.54 | rope | MikeH: apt-get install alsa-sources |
| 14:24.01 | goron | Phated: You are right. It was compiled as a module, not in the kernel. TY. |
| 14:24.08 | Phated | goron: NP. |
| 14:24.15 | suzzi | stouset: ya, I figured that just copying them in all would be ok... alas.. no dice |
| 14:24.18 | jethro | rope: you don't even know which kernel he's running |
| 14:24.28 | giupy | and there is an iso image of sarge ? |
| 14:24.35 | Phated | !d-i giupy |
| 14:24.36 | dpkg | giupy, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:24.36 | rope | jethro: oops :-) |
| 14:24.49 | giupy | k thanks |
| 14:25.09 | goron | !businesscard |
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| 14:25.52 | mikeX | crap, how do I remount 'usbfs'? |
| 14:26.04 | hdkiller__ | 1businesscard |
| 14:26.06 | nn | -o remount? |
| 14:26.11 | hdkiller__ | 'businesscard |
| 14:26.11 | hdkiller__ | argh.. |
| 14:26.12 | goron | dpkg:businesscard is If you want to install SID and don't want to download useless stuff, use the businesscard image |
| 14:26.12 | dpkg | goron: okay |
| 14:26.12 | daxal | just like anything else? mount -o remount /foo |
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| 14:26.19 | hdkiller__ | !businesscard |
| 14:26.19 | dpkg | it has been said that businesscard is If you want to install SID and don't want to download useless stuff, use the businesscard image |
| 14:26.19 | goron | !businesscard |
| 14:26.21 | MikeH | rope, how does that help? |
| 14:26.33 | mikeX | nn, what device/target? |
| 14:26.38 | resiak | dpkg: businesscard =~ s/If/<reply> If |
| 14:26.39 | giupy | i want sid :) |
| 14:26.40 | rope | MikeH: what kernel are you running? |
| 14:26.40 | jethro | MikeH: /msg dpkg sound |
| 14:26.41 | resiak | dpkg: businesscard =~ s/If/<reply> If/ |
| 14:26.41 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
| 14:26.49 | mikeX | nn, i umount ed it by accident |
| 14:26.54 | resiak | But you really don't want to be advising people to install Sid who don't know how. |
| 14:27.01 | MikeH | aha |
| 14:27.05 | MikeH | alsaconf |
| 14:27.06 | MikeH | :D |
| 14:27.07 | simonrvn | !businesscard =~ s/SID/Sid/ |
| 14:27.07 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 14:27.12 | mikeX | i didn't mean remount an already mounted fs |
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| 14:27.16 | MikeH | nope :/ |
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| 14:27.26 | daxal | well you said remount *g* |
| 14:27.29 | MikeH | rope, uhh 6.10 |
| 14:27.32 | asg | doub: then try using putty or ssh.com's client instead. |
| 14:27.34 | MikeH | err |
| 14:27.40 | MikeH | 2.6.9 |
| 14:27.47 | simonrvn | @businesscard is <reply> If you want to install Sid and don't want to download useless stuff, use the businesscard image. |
| 14:27.48 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
| 14:27.50 | asg | doub: sftp is indeed slower, but not that slow. |
| 14:28.18 | rope | MikeH: have you got the kernel source installed (in /usr/src)? |
| 14:28.28 | jethro | MikeH: do you actually read what I have dpkg /msg you ? |
| 14:28.35 | MikeH | yes jethro |
| 14:28.37 | MikeH | and it made no sense |
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| 14:28.44 | jethro | O.O |
| 14:28.54 | MikeH | oh |
| 14:28.55 | jethro | MikeH: even the alsa factoid? |
| 14:28.57 | MikeH | didnt see the second one |
| 14:29.01 | jethro | ok |
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| 14:29.37 | jethro | heh |
| 14:29.45 | giupy | with netinst i can configure an adsl via eth and install my complete debian...? |
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| 14:30.07 | MikeH | however jethro |
| 14:30.09 | greycat | !d-i giupy |
| 14:30.11 | dpkg | giupy, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:30.20 | MikeH | alsaconf detects my card, but doesnt work after |
| 14:30.21 | giupy | yeah :) |
| 14:30.23 | MikeH | i get this during |
| 14:30.25 | MikeH | Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state. |
| 14:30.25 | MikeH | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1194: No soundcards found... |
| 14:30.29 | jethro | !doesn't work |
| 14:30.30 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 14:30.41 | jethro | MikeH: did you load the appropriate modules? |
| 14:30.45 | simonrvn | <3 maple syrup |
| 14:30.46 | jethro | MikeH: did you install discover at all? |
| 14:30.55 | MikeH | yeah, i installed that discover1 |
| 14:31.03 | asg | simonrvn: in your coffee? |
| 14:31.08 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 14:31.12 | asg | interesting |
| 14:31.21 | MikeH | and what are the appropriate modules? |
| 14:31.22 | MikeH | :/ |
| 14:31.23 | stouset | dpkg: "it" is my computer, and "what it isn't doing" is working. |
| 14:31.23 | dpkg | stouset: what are you talking about? |
| 14:31.33 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 14:31.35 | asg | stouset: dpkg is a bot |
| 14:31.37 | SDFH_Linux | guys is there any way to speed up booting? |
| 14:31.41 | jethro | MikeH: I m notsure about hwo discover1 works, so I ll make sure teh appropriate modules have been loaded : "lsmod" as root and look for snd- stuff |
| 14:31.43 | idealbsd | when disable as root how to check mail for root, su just get normal user's mail using mutt? |
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| 14:31.45 | stouset | asg: I know. I was just trying to give it a funny reply :-) |
| 14:31.50 | nevyn | SDFH_Linux: run less services? |
| 14:31.55 | goron | MikeH: Exit X and try again. |
| 14:32.00 | jethro | idealbsd: man aliases |
| 14:32.01 | greycat | idealbsd: you should NOT be getting mail in root's mailbox. Fix that. |
| 14:32.02 | abrotman | idealbsd: root's mail should go to another user |
| 14:32.04 | SDFH_Linux | how i check that and turn some of nevyn? |
| 14:32.05 | simonrvn | idealbsd: it gets sent to whomever is configured to recieve root's mail |
| 14:32.06 | greycat | idealbsd: meanwhile, mutt -f /var/mail/root |
| 14:32.09 | goron | MikeH: If you are not in X, I have no idea. |
| 14:32.26 | simonrvn | @spell recieve |
| 14:32.30 | ravenbird | possible spellings for recieve: receive receiver Recife relieve received receives revive reeve reserve deceive reliever recede recipe recite relive |
| 14:32.41 | jethro | MikeH: are you in the audio group ? |
| 14:32.42 | abrotman | simonrvn: i before e ? |
| 14:32.47 | greycat | abrotman: except after 'c' |
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| 14:32.52 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 14:32.54 | stouset | asg: I have to deal with people being hopelessly vague all the time. "I can't connect to the network" usually means, "the password to my account on our fileserver expired" |
| 14:32.55 | poli | SDFH_Linux: you can try to implement suspend... |
| 14:32.56 | abrotman | greycat: i assumed he knew the rest :) |
| 14:32.57 | goron | MikeH: Ofcourse try as root |
| 14:33.00 | nevyn | SDFH_Linux: linux boot time sucks. mainly because it does everything before loading X |
| 14:33.01 | greycat | or when pronounced 'ay' as in 'neighbor' or 'sleigh' |
| 14:33.03 | asg | stouset: *nod* |
| 14:33.09 | greycat | and 'weird' is just weird. |
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| 14:33.13 | nevyn | SDFH_Linux: which most other OS's don't |
| 14:33.14 | abrotman | and cheif ? |
| 14:33.17 | greycat | abrotman: chief |
| 14:33.18 | asg | abrotman: chief |
| 14:33.18 | SDFH_Linux | i c |
| 14:33.22 | abrotman | oh yeah |
| 14:33.23 | idealbsd | thanks abrotman greycat jethro simonrvn :) |
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| 14:33.25 | abrotman | now i see :) |
| 14:33.25 | SDFH_Linux | so there isnt really much i can do then? |
| 14:33.29 | simonrvn | idealbsd: np |
| 14:33.32 | nevyn | SDFH_Linux: not easilly |
| 14:33.43 | SDFH_Linux | what i do need to do is get a more modern hd |
| 14:33.45 | jethro | SDFH_Linux: tweak your init scripts and load them in a different order |
| 14:33.56 | SDFH_Linux | how i do that jethro? |
| 14:33.58 | poli | SDFH_Linux: you can try to implement SUSPEND/RESUME |
| 14:34.01 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 14:34.08 | nevyn | X should start before cups |
| 14:34.16 | nevyn | ooh texture tunnel. |
| 14:34.24 | jethro | SDFH_Linux: you read /etc/init.d/README |
| 14:34.33 | nevyn | crappy movie but fire texture tunnel is cool. |
| 14:34.33 | Kurniady | anyone knows why I can't access the internet via network (route already set, etc), but after connecting and disconnecting a ppp connection, the route thru the network works fine..? |
| 14:34.38 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 14:35.48 | Yaakov | I need to learn Debian, which version should I install? |
| 14:35.53 | asg | Yaakov: sarge |
| 14:35.57 | asg | Yaakov: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:36.13 | coachz | I need a backup server that is 1U/2U in size with >1TB drive space. I also need it to scale to much higher drive space as needed. Any ideas ? |
| 14:36.14 | Yaakov | Thanks. |
| 14:36.18 | greycat | depends on what you want to learn. |
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| 14:36.23 | coachz | is this the Yaakov from new york? |
| 14:36.24 | nevyn | heh |
| 14:36.25 | greycat | !smite jethro |
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| 14:36.30 | jethro | :D |
| 14:36.30 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 14:36.30 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of starving badgers. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 14:36.36 | Guerin | coachz: ^^^^ |
| 14:36.39 | ricky_clarkson2 | My screen session seems to be suspended or something. Any suggestions? |
| 14:36.40 | nevyn | 1u with a terabyte... |
| 14:36.45 | Yaakov | I am not in NY, I was FROM NY about 35 years ago. |
| 14:36.52 | nevyn | coachz: where? |
| 14:36.54 | asg | ricky_clarkson2: CTRL+Q |
| 14:36.58 | Guerin | coachz: break out them starvin' badgers and the KY, I'll tell you what's on my mind. |
| 14:36.59 | directhex|work | coachz, https://secure.dnuk.com/store/systems/rs2080-64.php |
| 14:37.21 | goron | !haskell |
| 14:37.21 | dpkg | it has been said that haskell is a non-strict purely functional programming language, named after the logician Haskell B. Curry. A free implementation is in the hugs package. The language specification is in the haskell-doc package. See http://haskell.org for more info. or GHC is a free Haskell compiler. Ask me about it. Even more perlish than perl!, or very evil, or not evil at all, and has fewer bracketses than Lithp. |
| 14:37.26 | ricky_clarkson2 | asg, what the frig was that? |
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| 14:37.29 | MikeH | hi there |
| 14:37.30 | rope | ricky_clarkson2: try to type reset and hit return (this resets terminam only) |
| 14:37.32 | asg | ricky_clarkson2: did it fix it? |
| 14:37.39 | directhex|work | coachz, or https://secure.dnuk.com/store/systems/rs1040.php for 1.6Tb 1U |
| 14:37.43 | coachz | directhex|work, i need something in USA |
| 14:37.51 | coachz | i can't be sending a PO to europe |
| 14:37.58 | directhex|work | coachz, well do your own bloody research then. www.dell.com ? |
| 14:38.04 | MikeH | got alsa working after a reboot :D but still having the problem of theres no output on my optical out |
| 14:38.08 | asg | ricky_clarkson2: if so, you hit CTRL+S at some point |
| 14:38.10 | ricky_clarkson2 | asg, it did, thanks a lot. |
| 14:38.12 | MikeH | any ideas? |
| 14:38.20 | coachz | bloody, hahah |
| 14:38.21 | Guerin | total price £3,865.00 ex. VAT |
| 14:38.26 | Guerin | good on ya directhex|work |
| 14:38.36 | directhex|work | MikeH, unmute the digital output mixer |
| 14:38.37 | poli | coachz: you can find several 2U storage equipments that can support your 1TB. There are some Dell servers that allow 6 SCSI HD in 2U, 6x143GB. You can experiment those new 300GB Serial ATA |
| 14:38.47 | rope | MikeH: alsamixer ... |
| 14:38.59 | coachz | poli, but how scalable are they |
| 14:39.05 | directhex|work | poli, i have an example 1.6tb 1u or 3.2tb 6u system, via 300gb disks. larger would be possible |
| 14:39.14 | poli | coachz: The storages? Or the servers? |
| 14:39.17 | directhex|work | *3.2tb 2u |
| 14:39.20 | MikeH | directhex|work, should that be in alsamixer? |
| 14:39.25 | directhex|work | MikeH, yes |
| 14:39.29 | coachz | poli, lets say my 1TB requires 50 TB |
| 14:39.29 | MikeH | because ive put the volume up for everything in that |
| 14:39.32 | MikeH | and theres still no output |
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| 14:39.38 | directhex|work | MikeH, volume != mute |
| 14:39.39 | coachz | can i add more servers to it and scale |
| 14:39.43 | poli | coachz: Size is your enemy in that case. |
| 14:39.48 | jethro | MikeH: can you see some m letters in alsamixer? |
| 14:39.49 | coachz | so it appears to be one large space |
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| 14:39.56 | coachz | or do i have to have lots of little servers |
| 14:40.01 | jethro | MikeH: if so, they mean the corresponding channel is muted |
| 14:40.08 | directhex|work | coachz, you need a cluster file system for that. look at Lustre, GPFS, or GFS |
| 14:40.14 | greycat | I don't think any Linux file systems can be bigger than 2 TB, but maybe I'm wrong on that. |
| 14:40.16 | coachz | ideally i would have a solution that could scale to very large sizes |
| 14:40.17 | poli | coachz: you can buy VERY large storage systems, but they don't fit in 2U spaces. |
| 14:40.20 | jethro | MikeH: you press m to mute/unmute |
| 14:40.28 | directhex|work | greycat, yeah, you are |
| 14:40.49 | hdkiller__ | GFS is open source? |
| 14:40.49 | SDFH_Linux | new debian install what is the best filesystem to use? |
| 14:40.53 | greycat | (doesn't matter in my case, because our RAID cabinets can only present virtual SCSI devices up to 2 TB anyway) |
| 14:40.56 | Mage\work | ext3 |
| 14:41.00 | coachz | poli, so i start off with 1TB in 2U but want to scale by connecting more Us below it in the same rack |
| 14:41.03 | hdkiller__ | greycat: xfs can be |
| 14:41.10 | greycat | SDFH_Linux: if you have to ask, ext3 |
| 14:41.13 | dark_enigma | well, what about reiserfs if you have a lot of small files? |
| 14:41.20 | hdkiller__ | maybe ext3 too |
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| 14:41.26 | MikeH | jethro, directhex|work : nothing is muted |
| 14:41.27 | abrotman | greycat: XFS can .. theoretically |
| 14:41.28 | Guerin | no |
| 14:41.31 | Guerin | reiserfs bad |
| 14:41.33 | Guerin | ext3 good |
| 14:41.36 | hdkiller__ | greycat: and what about lvm'ed raid arrays? |
| 14:41.37 | dark_enigma | ok, just askin :-) |
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| 14:41.42 | Mage\work | fat32 |
| 14:41.47 | abrotman | greycat: i'm not sure linux can .. but XFS can |
| 14:41.48 | Guerin | fat32 fat |
| 14:41.51 | simonrvn | yes, pick ext3 over reiser |
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| 14:41.56 | SDFH_Linux | why is reiserfs bad? |
| 14:41.59 | greycat | hdkiller__: too evil to contemplate. |
| 14:42.00 | directhex|work | MikeH, perhaps something SHOULD be then |
| 14:42.04 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 14:42.04 | dpkg | i heard filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ |
| 14:42.10 | Guerin | no fsck = bad |
| 14:42.19 | coachz | poli, so is there a scalable solution for inexpensive storage |
| 14:42.19 | abrotman | read the last link .. check the reiserfs link .. it applies to XFS and reiser |
| 14:42.26 | directhex|work | anyway, coachz is asking for something only a cluster filesystem can do |
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| 14:42.36 | ircdevil | problem while apt-get install -f: Unpacking xlibmesa-gl -> trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package fglrx |
| 14:42.37 | poli | coachz: you can find scalable storages, yes. |
| 14:42.37 | coachz | directhex|work, the scalable thing? |
| 14:42.43 | hdkiller__ | there is any good network/distributed filesystem? |
| 14:42.49 | asg | coachz: you might look at AoE (if your performance requirements aren't critical) |
| 14:43.03 | coachz | what is AoE |
| 14:43.04 | directhex|work | coachz, to have multiple seperate pcs present their own disk areas as a combined, single filesystem |
| 14:43.04 | goron | I am still getting kernel panic-not syncing:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0). |
| 14:43.08 | asg | coachz: ATA over Ethernet |
| 14:43.11 | greycat | ircdevil: so, like, what's the question? |
| 14:43.12 | poli | coachz: inexpensive, not quite. If you need all of them to look like only one, you can try using some NFS tricks, or AFS or CODA |
| 14:43.25 | hdkiller__ | i have a lot of T on different fileservers, and i try to merge them into one big array |
| 14:43.25 | hdkiller__ | but nfs seems to unusable for that |
| 14:43.28 | dark_enigma | goron: then your kernel does not support the filesystem you chose. did you compile it (the kernel) yourself? |
| 14:43.32 | abrotman | greycat: and actually .. if you read that last link .. there is a comparison of the the FSs .. and says XFS supports 9 exabyte FSs |
| 14:43.40 | MikeH | directhex|work, tried most combinations, plus theres nothing labeled digital |
| 14:43.41 | coachz | does dell or gw make a scaleable solution already? |
| 14:43.45 | zignig | is anyone having issues with the latest iptables ? |
| 14:43.47 | directhex|work | as it happens, debian includes kernel patches for GFS in the ernel-patch-2.6-gfs package |
| 14:43.49 | ircdevil | greycat: this is update is hanging on that package. how to resolve this? |
| 14:43.53 | goron | dark_enigma: yes, Phated suggested that, and I just recompiled it with ext3 support. |
| 14:43.58 | greycat | ircdevil: you have a choice to make. |
| 14:44.04 | greycat | ircdevil: choose, do it, be done. |
| 14:44.07 | goron | dark_enigma: According to fstab it's ext4 |
| 14:44.11 | goron | er ext3 |
| 14:44.18 | SDFH_Linux | why is reiserfs bad? |
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| 14:44.31 | greycat | !ricerfs |
| 14:44.31 | dpkg | hmm... ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
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| 14:44.37 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: read the stupid link above |
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| 14:44.40 | ircdevil | greycat: id like to postpone installing xlibmesa-gl - will that do? |
| 14:44.48 | abrotman | or here .. http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html SDFH_Linux |
| 14:44.51 | abrotman | among other things |
| 14:44.52 | dark_enigma | goron: ext3 builtin support, yes? |
| 14:44.56 | dark_enigma | goron: not a module |
| 14:44.57 | greycat | ircdevil: put it on hold |
| 14:45.03 | goron | dark_enigma: Yes |
| 14:45.13 | dark_enigma | goron: and you are sure you are loading the newly compiled kernel (sorry, dumb question, but one has to ask) |
| 14:45.21 | poli | coachz: take a look at their site. Everyone that does storage has these solutions. |
| 14:45.28 | coachz | wihn $5k to spend, what would you get for a 1u/2u backup server >1TB that you can add more boxes onto and scale larger |
| 14:45.39 | coachz | poli, those sites don't tell you about scalability |
| 14:45.54 | SDFH_Linux | ok i missed the link the first time |
| 14:45.58 | goron | dark_enigma: I did one stupid thing (I installed a package over a package that was named in the same way), so not 100% sure. |
| 14:46.00 | coachz | it's only used for backup |
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| 14:46.12 | poli | coachz: oh... what kind of backup? |
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| 14:46.17 | dark_enigma | goron: eh? i don't understand.... which package? |
| 14:46.23 | coachz | poli, like using rsnapshot |
| 14:46.31 | coachz | or rdiff |
| 14:46.32 | goron | dark_enigma: Two kernel packages created with make-kpkg |
| 14:46.43 | goron | dark_enigma: Both of the same version. |
| 14:47.00 | poli | coachz: I see... I don't know prices in your area, but US$5k here can't buy you much. :( (Not in the US) |
| 14:47.12 | coachz | i'm in usa |
| 14:47.14 | illsci | is there support for sony sata disks in the debian 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:47.25 | dark_enigma | goron: ok.... are you using grub or lilo? |
| 14:47.25 | poli | coachz: The sole disks for such a system cost US$1200/300GB |
| 14:47.29 | PerfDave | illsci: In which Debian 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:47.31 | goron | dark_enigma: grub |
| 14:47.33 | illsci | sarge |
| 14:47.43 | illsci | see, im trying to install sarge and its not recognizing my disk drive |
| 14:47.44 | greycat | PerfDave: if they don't specify, assume they mean the default sarge 2.6 install kernel |
| 14:47.49 | coachz | and i can prolly go $6k if needed |
| 14:47.49 | illsci | and its a 100gig sony sata disk |
| 14:47.54 | Yaakov | OK, getting the ISOs. This could take a while :( |
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| 14:47.55 | directhex|work | coachz, here's a bright idea. pick up a *phone*, and ask to speak to a dell rep about SAN |
| 14:47.57 | poli | coachz: Ok... you should get much more afordable prices. |
| 14:48.00 | PerfDave | greycat: Which default sarge 2.6 install kernel? :) |
| 14:48.03 | goron | dark_enigma: Do I need Second extended fs support in the kernel or is it totally unrelated to ext3? |
| 14:48.10 | asg | directhex|work: for $5k? they will hang up on him |
| 14:48.11 | dark_enigma | goron: unrelated to |
| 14:48.11 | illsci | no idea? |
| 14:48.11 | coachz | directhex|work, already did, looking for more opinions |
| 14:48.26 | ircdevil | greycat: hmmmm, echo 'xlibmesa-gl hold' | dpkg --set-selections didnt do the trick |
| 14:48.33 | coachz | they like me, i gave em $45k a couple months ago |
| 14:48.45 | dark_enigma | goron: put the bzImage file created while compiling into /boot as vmlinuz-kernel-version or whatever and add an entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst and then do a grub-install /dev/hda |
| 14:48.56 | dark_enigma | goron: if /dev/hda is where grub should be located |
| 14:49.05 | poli | coachz: You can find storages by HP and Dell (that I have tested) that can do your 1TB under US$5k, and 2U. |
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| 14:49.12 | poli | coachz: but they are slowwwwwwww |
| 14:49.15 | coachz | brb |
| 14:49.16 | stew | Yaakov: why ISOs? you only need one to install if you are installing on a machine with a network |
| 14:49.20 | poli | coachz: so, for backups you can be good. |
| 14:49.47 | Yaakov | stew: The machines will not always be in the network. |
| 14:50.25 | poli | coachz: oh and they are not scalable, at least not by the solution supplied. |
| 14:50.31 | Yaakov | s/in/on |
| 14:50.32 | goron | dark_enigma: I think I will try again with make-kpkg(after I delete the kernel image). |
| 14:50.47 | stew | Yaakov: will they be networked during the install? in any case you shouldn't need more than the first couple of cds at most, the packages are ordered on the cds by popularity |
| 14:51.01 | asg | goron: he left, apparently he doesn't have wireless in his coffin |
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| 14:51.33 | goron | asg: Ah, yes, I see. Doesn't matter. |
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| 14:51.44 | Yaakov | stew: It isn't that much trouble, I will just let it run until it is finished. It is nice to have it locally, anyway. |
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| 14:52.09 | Yaakov | stew: I have the space and time--just wish it was faster. |
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| 14:53.42 | coachz | back |
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| 14:53.46 | Yaakov | coachz: You might check out www.aberdeeninc.com Thos guys do a nice jeorb, and they sell supermicro stuff that is very nice. |
| 14:54.13 | coachz | i gotta have scalable, that's important |
| 14:54.20 | coachz | Yaakov, thanks |
| 14:54.39 | Yaakov | coachz: I am not suggesting that you will find what you need, only that you MIGHT. |
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| 14:54.52 | Yaakov | I have purchased servers from them and been very pleased. |
| 14:55.23 | poli | coachz: they don't give you out of the box scalability but you can always merge different systems to obtain it. |
| 14:55.38 | coachz | i'm too busy to be merging ;-) |
| 14:55.58 | poli | coachz: out-of-the-box scalable systems means that you buy the structure, processors, etc. but not the space to plug the HDs. |
| 14:55.58 | Yaakov | "Scalability" is too open-ended to be a design requirement. |
| 14:56.01 | stouset | Hahahaha. |
| 14:56.04 | poli | coachz: so they are always VERY expensive. |
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| 14:56.15 | stouset | Dell Guy: "Was the laptop involved in any accidents that you know of?" |
| 14:56.23 | stouset | Me: "Not that I can think of off the top of my head." |
| 14:56.23 | coachz | i know some of these boxes let you daisy chain |
| 14:57.03 | stouset | Dell Guy: "Well, if it was involved in an accident the cost of replacement parts would be covered by your Complete Care plan. For instance, if you placed it on your car and you backed over it, or if it fell off a table..." |
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| 14:57.14 | stouset | Me: "Now that you mention it, I remember it falling a few weeks ago..." |
| 14:57.23 | greycat | hahaha |
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| 14:57.49 | greycat | so, if *they* fuck up when they put it together, it's not covered... but if you drop it, it's covered? |
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| 14:58.16 | _joey | which util do I use to view the contents of .deb packages? |
| 14:58.21 | stouset | greycat: I guess so. It sort of makes sense in that the Complete Care thing is an insurance package. Major components aren't covered by the warranty, and in order to claim insurance it has to be your fault. |
| 14:58.21 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 14:58.29 | stouset | greycat: Seems backwards, but it sort of makes sense. |
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| 14:58.42 | simonrvn | only to an insurance company ;) |
| 14:58.43 | asg | _joey: dpkg -c <pkg> |
| 14:58.54 | stouset | simonrvn: Touche. |
| 14:59.12 | ole | how do I modify my finger info ? |
| 14:59.21 | asg | ole: edit your ~/.plan |
| 14:59.29 | jethro | asg: that's just one field |
| 14:59.41 | coachz | yaakov, nice site |
| 14:59.42 | ole | yes, I want to change my phone number and my surname |
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| 14:59.55 | asg | jethro: dpkg -c? |
| 15:00.01 | jethro | asg: hu? |
| 15:00.02 | Yaakov | coachz: I have been pleased with the service and the products. |
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| 15:00.10 | stouset | It was kind of funny, though. Honest to god the Dell guy listed like four extremely contrived ways to destroy a laptop. Accidentally knocking it off the table when reaching to grab a remote. Having it fall off your car, and then backing over it. Spouse spilling hot coffee into it. |
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| 15:00.20 | coachz | they are in CA so i better wait for them to wake up to call them |
| 15:00.25 | Yaakov | I have a 4U dual Xeon box from them, and a few 1U Dual Xeons. |
| 15:00.32 | Yaakov | They have been very reliable. |
| 15:00.39 | coachz | running linux on them? |
| 15:00.42 | jethro | asg: what do you mean by dpkg -c? |
| 15:00.42 | simonrvn | ldapmodify -x -D uid=youruser,ou=Users,dc=base,dc=dn -W uid=youruser,ou=Users,dc=base,dc=dn ;p |
| 15:01.00 | Atula | hi, can someone help me with an usb printer.... I hooked it up... but oofice cannot print to it |
| 15:01.01 | asg | jethro: I was wondering what you meant by '10:59 < jethro> asg: that's just one field' |
| 15:01.05 | jethro | ole: man chfn |
| 15:01.05 | Atula | I'm new to linux |
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| 15:01.22 | Atula | so was hoping to have it working.... hotplug... you know... but it didn't |
| 15:01.22 | jethro | asg: plan is just one field of all info returned by finger |
| 15:01.24 | asg | jethro: oh, that finger info |
| 15:01.25 | Atula | so I'm screwed |
| 15:01.28 | jethro | yup |
| 15:01.31 | Atula | help. |
| 15:01.42 | jethro | !tell Atula -about smart questions |
| 15:01.49 | Yaakov | coachz: RHEL and FreeBSD. |
| 15:02.03 | simonrvn | jethro: some sites don't allow fn to be changed (other stuff like mail though, yes. my ACLs are set that way, FYI ;) |
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| 15:02.20 | jethro | simonrvn: sure, but chfn is still the usual way :p |
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| 15:02.26 | Atula | how would I start on detecting my usb printer? |
| 15:02.33 | simonrvn | jethro: yes it is |
| 15:02.39 | jethro | simonrvn: otoh you can always ask your beloved bofh to do it on behalf of you :p |
| 15:02.42 | Atula | jethro, thanks for the wonderful help... |
| 15:02.52 | goron | Should make-kpkg create initrd images? I am still getting the unable to mount root fs error. |
| 15:03.02 | jethro | Atula: knowing how to ask stuff without looking like a moron is the first step to getting your problem solved |
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| 15:03.29 | simonrvn | jethro: libnss-ldap or pam-ldap has a pair of scripts to replace chfn chsh to use/modify LDAP data |
| 15:03.35 | illsci | hmmm on the debian.org site is says installation of sarge onto a SATA drive is broken if you use the debian installer |
| 15:03.42 | illsci | is there another way to get sarge on my laptop |
| 15:03.43 | illsci | ? |
| 15:03.44 | Atula | jethro, shhh! |
| 15:03.46 | jethro | simonrvn: don't chfh / chsh deal with the nss directly? |
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| 15:04.03 | petemc | illsci: theres a woody iso with some sata support, google for dell debian |
| 15:04.07 | jethro | Atula: that is a fact, believe me |
| 15:04.10 | simonrvn | jethro: gott check that, they didn't used to, or poorly |
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| 15:04.13 | tictac_ | running sid, i update XF86Config-4 (either manually or dpkg-reconfigure) my screen resolution doesnt change. |
| 15:04.14 | simonrvn | gotta* |
| 15:04.22 | jethro | simonrvn: on AIX they do :p |
| 15:04.22 | lognep | hi there ... is it possible to know all ports opened by a particular process |
| 15:04.27 | Atula | !tell jethro about grace and humility |
| 15:04.31 | pro | does anyone know how i can change my default gw (interface) not address? eg. i have a ppp0 and ppp1 they both have the same p-t-p address, just the packets are going out via ppp0 and i need them to go out ppp1 |
| 15:04.34 | stouset | illsci: Ouch, that sucks =\ |
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| 15:04.39 | tictac_ | ive changed it to 1400x1050 on all modes, however i still run as 1024x768 |
| 15:04.40 | petemc | lognep: netstat -pant , lsof, fuser |
| 15:04.41 | jethro | Atula: there is no such factoid as grace and humility |
| 15:04.43 | Atula | ah darn... it doesn't know |
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| 15:04.52 | lognep | petemc: thankz |
| 15:04.57 | stouset | pro: set the gateway on the ppp1 interface in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 15:05.04 | Atula | !tell jethro about how to not be an ass |
| 15:05.08 | Atula | doesn't know that either |
| 15:05.11 | Atula | hmmm |
| 15:05.13 | Atula | seems fair |
| 15:05.27 | pro | stouset, i cant, its a pppoe connection started with pon and poff |
| 15:05.27 | stouset | dpkg wouldn't know anything about not being an ass :-( |
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| 15:05.34 | stouset | pro: Oh =\ |
| 15:05.41 | Atula | tsk tsk tsk |
| 15:05.43 | stouset | pro: what about using "route"? |
| 15:05.48 | jethro | dpkg is an ass |
| 15:06.02 | stouset | pro: You can script it to run in /etc/ppp/if-up.d/ |
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| 15:06.06 | DanC | $ dpkg |
| 15:06.07 | DanC | bash: /usr/bin/dpkg: Permission denied |
| 15:06.07 | EdibleText | but dpkg is aready something else |
| 15:06.08 | Atula | jethro, and it's your role model I suppose |
| 15:06.08 | DanC | ?!? |
| 15:06.12 | Atula | eeee smite me |
| 15:06.13 | McKillroy | abrotman: Thanks for help - Everything runs fine now |
| 15:06.15 | greycat | DanC: fix it. |
| 15:06.16 | jethro | Atula: obviously |
| 15:06.21 | abrotman | McKillroy: yay |
| 15:06.21 | pro | there must be something like ip route 0.0.0.0 gw 1.2.3.4 via ppp1 or something like that? |
| 15:06.25 | abrotman | McKillroy: what fixed it ? |
| 15:06.25 | stouset | DanC: ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 15:06.35 | DanC | $ ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 15:06.35 | DanC | -rwxr-x--- 1 root root 174040 Feb 10 09:30 /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 15:06.38 | stouset | pro: yeah, man "route" |
| 15:06.44 | greycat | aye, that's broken all right. |
| 15:06.49 | McKillroy | abrotman: Not th java install, but an error in a conversion of a windows script |
| 15:06.53 | stouset | DanC: su - -c chmod o+rx /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 15:07.01 | DanC | I just upgraded a whole bunch of packages... has the policy for dpkg changed? or is that a known bug? |
| 15:07.10 | goron | Ok, according to the manpage it does when you say it to do. |
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| 15:07.18 | stouset | DanC: I've never seen that. It could be a dpkg bug. |
| 15:07.19 | Atula | whatever... just need to print out something quickly.... was wondering if someone can just tell me how to probe for it,... see if the machine detect that gash darn printer.... that's all... but if that's really is a stupid question... then I don't know what to ask... |
| 15:07.23 | conrad10781 | Is there a way, or has anyone seen in the past a setup where the computer just booted into a vnc client (no real desktop, maybe a barebone window manager) which would connect to a vnc server that is always on |
| 15:07.24 | stouset | DanC: check BTS. |
| 15:07.24 | goron | !initrd |
| 15:07.24 | dpkg | methinks initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 15:07.27 | DanC | i.e. if I fix it, will it get clobbered next time I upgrade? |
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| 15:07.37 | McKillroy | abrotman: The project is to make a distributed development of a Neverwinter nights persistend world, using SVN. |
| 15:07.41 | jethro | Atula: did you read the link about smart questions? |
| 15:07.52 | Yaakov | conrad10781: check out morphix |
| 15:07.58 | stouset | DanC: Not likely. |
| 15:08.00 | McKillroy | abrotman: I installed a tool to compile the modules for the game on the Debian Machine |
| 15:08.01 | Yaakov | conrad10781: www.morphix.com |
| 15:08.02 | Atula | jethro, I've read it before.... and man, help or shut up. |
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| 15:08.09 | Yaakov | conrad10781: www.morphix.org (?) |
| 15:08.15 | Yaakov | One of those. |
| 15:08.16 | abrotman | McKillroy: really ? |
| 15:08.16 | jethro | Atula: it's not easy to help one not able to state what his problem is |
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| 15:08.19 | McKillroy | abrotman: Its Java based, but I had to convert some scripts |
| 15:08.22 | goron | Do I need initrd support or not? |
| 15:08.25 | abrotman | oh .. gotcha |
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| 15:08.32 | McKillroy | abrotman: What really ? |
| 15:08.34 | jethro | Atula: only greycat has a crystal ball to achieve such things |
| 15:08.43 | Gathond | Atula: usually you need the kernel USB printer driver, and then some printer daemon (cups, lpd ...) that have a driver for your printer |
| 15:08.49 | Atula | jethro, if I recalled... I specifically asked about amethod to prob for the usb printer |
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| 15:09.08 | abrotman | McKillroy: the custom stuff :) |
| 15:09.13 | greycat | and my crystal ball's guaranteed to work on any day except Hallowe'en, the Equinoxes, or Friday the 13th. |
| 15:09.17 | asg | Atula: lsusb -v |
| 15:09.19 | abrotman | McKillroy: sounds like a lot of work for a game :) |
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| 15:09.27 | asg | greycat: today isn't your day then |
| 15:09.27 | jethro | Fri May 13 17:09:27 CEST 2005 |
| 15:09.28 | Gathond | Atula: unless you are lucky enough to have a real printer (read: one that talks postscript) in that case just load the kernel USB printer driver and cat a .ps file into the /dev/usb/lp0 device |
| 15:09.30 | quicoju | hi! help runing printconf |
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| 15:09.31 | jethro | JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS |
| 15:09.37 | jethro | I gotta gamble |
| 15:09.42 | greycat | so I guess Atula's out of luck. |
| 15:09.46 | Atula | Gathond, thanks... I found the thing in the trash haha |
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| 15:09.48 | coachz | yaakov, just called Aberdeen, very helpful, thanks |
| 15:10.00 | Yaakov | coachz: Sure thing, hope that works out. |
| 15:10.03 | jethro | greycat: :) |
| 15:10.09 | McKillroy | abrotman: The setup is conmplicated, but in the end people will be able to develop parts of the module (maps, characters, dialogues, quests, scripts etc) independantly from each other. |
| 15:10.11 | quicoju | get an error telling me about a missing module called foomatic |
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| 15:10.32 | McKillroy | abrotman: Collaboration will be very easy once everything is set up |
| 15:10.32 | abrotman | McKillroy: ok .. that sounds like way way too much work :) |
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| 15:11.18 | McKillroy | abrotman: It makes possible for a developer to work on his parts of the fictional universe without knowing the secrets of the others. |
| 15:11.31 | abrotman | McKillroy: sounds like a cult ... :) |
| 15:11.38 | McKillroy | abrotman: Yeah .. |
| 15:11.42 | McKillroy | abrotman: Its funny. |
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| 15:11.55 | Atula | !tell jethro about fanboy comments |
| 15:11.56 | greycat | or an anarchist splinter-cell sort of thing |
| 15:11.58 | Atula | damn... |
| 15:12.03 | Atula | doesn't know |
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| 15:12.17 | McKillroy | abrotman: I want people to be able to collaborate in an easy way , like for a simple text based Mud |
| 15:12.18 | DanC | hmm... why doesn't "user" work? $ grep cdrom0 /etc/fstab; mount /cdrom0 |
| 15:12.18 | DanC | /dev/hdc /cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 15:12.18 | DanC | mount: must be superuser to use mount |
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| 15:12.27 | jethro | fanboy? |
| 15:12.31 | abrotman | McKillroy: only geeks play MUDs :) |
| 15:12.38 | goron | I have ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support as a module. Could this be the reason that it isn't able to mount the root fs? |
| 15:12.41 | Atula | I guess there are people who talks really cool.... and try to mek others look stupid... so they look a tit bit better... |
| 15:12.49 | goron | I have a IDE disc. |
| 15:12.50 | Atula | a tit |
| 15:12.51 | Atula | yeah |
| 15:12.56 | quicoju | hi! help runing printconf |
| 15:12.58 | IDC | May i ask ,what does /query stand for from /msg ? |
| 15:13.00 | quicoju | get an error telling me about a missing module called foomatic |
| 15:13.03 | Atula | it seems my nipples are smaller than most people |
| 15:13.04 | greycat | DanC: because you took away the setuid bit? |
| 15:13.05 | McKillroy | abrotman: Yes - NWN - if you know it is a fully 3d rendered system. |
| 15:13.08 | Atula | I guess you win. |
| 15:13.20 | abrotman | McKillroy: i know what it is .. i haven't played it since it first came out |
| 15:13.32 | valdyn | DanC: ls -l /bin/mount |
| 15:13.46 | DanC | wtf is up with all these file permissions? I didn't fiddle with them; all I did was apt-get a bunch of stuff. |
| 15:13.48 | DanC | $ ls -l /bin/mount |
| 15:13.48 | DanC | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 68440 Mar 22 08:22 /bin/mount |
| 15:13.59 | McKillroy | abrotman: I like it - and I'm building a dream machine with it. |
| 15:14.00 | greycat | DanC: that'd do it, all right. |
| 15:14.10 | McKillroy | abrotman: Collaborative dream production ... |
| 15:14.11 | greycat | DanC: why did you break all your permissions? |
| 15:14.13 | Atula | anyhoo thanks for the help, people who replied... and jethro, I like to someday meet you.... then jam a 4by4 up your ass... so it could hit your head on they way up |
| 15:14.14 | Atula | later |
| 15:14.17 | abrotman | McKillroy: you must really like it :) |
| 15:14.20 | stouset | DanC: What all was upgraded? |
| 15:14.33 | stouset | DanC: Do you have any "hardening" software, like bastille installed? |
| 15:14.34 | McKillroy | abrotman: I'm a psychiatrist ... Fantasy and dreams are my work ... |
| 15:14.34 | valdyn | DanC: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 81992 2005-03-23 12:31 /bin/mount |
| 15:14.38 | DanC | good question, stouset ; I sure wish apt kept a log! |
| 15:14.48 | stouset | DanC: Some software might conceivably check for setuid bits on programs and try to eliminate them. |
| 15:14.48 | valdyn | DanC: im not sure where mount is set to be suid root |
| 15:14.49 | vipersniper | im try to install debian on a m7sua motherboard with amd processor, everytime the install process stalls |
| 15:14.53 | stouset | DanC: If you use aptitude, it does. |
| 15:14.56 | abrotman | McKillroy: and really messed up people .. you should talk to asg a bit :) |
| 15:15.01 | DanC | greycat, please don't jump to conclusions. I'm pretty sure I didn't ask for the permissions to get screwed up |
| 15:15.04 | jethro | Atula: how bout you get a nice cup of shut the fuckup? |
| 15:15.08 | EdibleText | vipersniper, same placeduring install? |
| 15:15.11 | Atula | !tell jethro about come-back for dummies book |
| 15:15.14 | vipersniper | woody or sarge |
| 15:15.17 | EdibleText | vipersniper, or is it random? |
| 15:15.20 | valdyn | DanC: try apt-get --reinstall install mount |
| 15:15.22 | EdibleText | semi-random |
| 15:15.23 | abrotman | !tell Atula about botabuse |
| 15:15.27 | greycat | jethro: Atula: please take it elsewhere. |
| 15:15.30 | vipersniper | does not matter |
| 15:15.34 | stouset | DanC: Either way, changing permission bits like that should give the user a warning ahead of time. Whatever it was needs a RC bug filed against it. |
| 15:15.39 | Atula | abrotman, sorry I will stop now.. |
| 15:15.42 | McKillroy | abrotman: The doctor is in ... ;) |
| 15:15.43 | DanC | hmm... I was playing with some security package the other day... maybe I did screw it up. What was that thing. |
| 15:15.45 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:15.46 | Atula | just thought that other people do it too much |
| 15:16.01 | abrotman | Atula: not to personally attack people out of spite |
| 15:16.04 | abrotman | not usually anyways |
| 15:16.12 | stouset | DanC: bastille, checksecurity... |
| 15:16.13 | Atula | sigh |
| 15:16.21 | jethro | I m not taking anything anywere but on my ignore list |
| 15:16.22 | valdyn | DanC: if its another package, dpkg -S /bin/mount |
| 15:16.23 | DanC | bastille, that was it, I think |
| 15:16.37 | stouset | DanC: Still installed? |
| 15:16.40 | vipersniper | *trying |
| 15:16.46 | Atula | abrotman, yeah.... |
| 15:16.49 | abrotman | not the same beer .. sharing coodies is groddy :) |
| 15:16.52 | DanC | permission is better after sudo apt-get --reinstall install mount |
| 15:17.05 | stew | DanC: you probably ran something that started taking the suid bit off suid root executables |
| 15:17.13 | Atula | make up, jethro .... something nice for ye bum-bum? |
| 15:17.16 | stouset | stew: Looks like it. My guess is Bastille. |
| 15:17.17 | asg | abrotman: haven't heard that term since the 80s |
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| 15:17.31 | stouset | DanC: well do a find for all non-suid files ;) |
| 15:17.35 | valdyn | DanC: that means that whatever debian package changed this should be filed a bug against... |
| 15:17.37 | stew | there is a list of suid executables in debian somewhere |
| 15:17.38 | DanC | oh well, I suppose it's ok to turn them back on case by case |
| 15:17.42 | abrotman | asg: i know .. it's so childish :) |
| 15:17.43 | EdibleText | vipersniper, does it appear to flake out randomly during install of either woody or sarge? it is yes or no answer |
| 15:17.45 | stew | steve kemp or someone maintains it |
| 15:17.51 | asg | abrotman: heh |
| 15:17.52 | stouset | valdyn: Not necessarily. Bastille does it as part of its core functionality. |
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| 15:18.11 | valdyn | stouset: that doesnt change that its a bug |
| 15:18.24 | stouset | valdyn: AFAIK, it warns you ahead of time. |
| 15:18.27 | valdyn | stouset: bastille cannot randomly change permissions, it needs to divert /bin/mount or somesuch |
| 15:18.37 | stouset | valdyn: True enough. |
| 15:18.54 | valdyn | stouset: well, if its not a debian package then thats to be expect, but if it is, then its doing something stupid |
| 15:19.04 | DanC | it's a debian package |
| 15:19.05 | stew | DanC: http://setuid.org/Linux/unstable.html |
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| 15:19.28 | Atula | I like to have perky nipples... so someday, I can use them to poke into conversations more maturely. |
| 15:19.29 | DanC | cool, stew |
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| 15:19.45 | stouset | valdyn: It is. To be honest, I started to use it one time but once I realized that it's virtually impossible to undo the things it does to your system (well, in that it's entirely manual), I tossed it =P |
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| 15:20.01 | streuner | Atula: just keep the talk OT |
| 15:20.02 | EdibleText | Atula, you may need hardware and hormones to realize that |
| 15:20.12 | greycat | or ice cubes |
| 15:20.15 | FarrisG | for some reason, even though my /etc/courier/authdaemonrc lists only authpam as an authmodule, clients seem to think the server supports cram-md5. This is breaking stuff on clients that refuse to use anything but cram-md5 if cram-md5 is available |
| 15:20.16 | asg | EdibleText: or cold weather |
| 15:20.20 | valdyn | stouset: and as soon as packages get upgrade your security "enhancements" get canceled.. |
| 15:20.21 | Atula | OT? |
| 15:20.26 | asg | !ot |
| 15:20.26 | dpkg | it has been said that ot is off topic |
| 15:20.27 | abrotman | On Topic |
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| 15:20.40 | streuner | abrotman: yeah, was a typo :-) |
| 15:20.41 | Atula | thank you |
| 15:20.47 | abrotman | i figured :) |
| 15:20.54 | Atula | well... I've learn plenty of things today, |
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| 15:21.15 | stouset | FarrisG: I remember experiencing that before. I'm not able to access that system right now to check, but rest assured it's a simple configuration fix. |
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| 15:21.25 | abrotman | Atula: cows go moo? |
| 15:21.26 | abrotman | !moo |
| 15:21.26 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 15:21.29 | stouset | valdyn: True enough :-) |
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| 15:22.25 | FarrisG | stouset: Does the server somehow get stuck in an old config, even after reload/restart? |
| 15:22.51 | stouset | FarrisG: No. It's a configuration parameter, I'm almost positive. |
| 15:23.01 | stouset | FarrisG: i.e., you have to disable cram-md5 somewhere. |
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| 15:23.15 | FarrisG | stouset: Somewhere other than courier's authdaemon? |
| 15:23.45 | stouset | FarrisG: Yes, actually. I believe that was it. |
| 15:23.52 | stouset | FarrisG: Because courier uses SASL. |
| 15:23.52 | tican | "Intel(R) XEON(TM) CPU 2.40GHz" .. What do I choose in menuconfig for optimal speed? |
| 15:24.04 | tarzeau | tican: which kernel? |
| 15:24.07 | streuner | !k7 |
| 15:24.07 | dpkg | from memory, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 15:24.10 | tican | tarzeau: 2.4.30 |
| 15:24.10 | stouset | FarrisG: It's configured through SASL somehow, if I recall. But it's been awhile. |
| 15:24.15 | greycat | xeon is i686 |
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| 15:24.31 | nevyn | greycat: could be i786 |
| 15:24.36 | streuner | greycat: we have just sorted that out ;-) |
| 15:24.55 | nevyn | greycat: at 2.4gig it's a northwood or prescott or something isn't it. |
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| 15:25.07 | tican | P4 then? |
| 15:25.07 | nevyn | it's not tutalin (i686) |
| 15:25.18 | nevyn | tican: what's cat /proc/cpuinfo say? |
| 15:25.22 | streuner | !686 |
| 15:25.22 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M. |
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| 15:25.34 | abrotman | it's a damn 686 .. or P4 .. or whatever the stupid thing says |
| 15:25.35 | nevyn | streuner: then it's wrong. |
| 15:25.40 | valdyn | nevyn: prescott isnt a destinct arch to optimize for afaik |
| 15:25.43 | nevyn | the P4 is not a 686 |
| 15:25.48 | abrotman | tell intel that |
| 15:25.49 | tican | nevyn: cpu family : 15 |
| 15:25.53 | nevyn | fuck. the pipeline is completely different |
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| 15:26.01 | abrotman | same instruction set ? |
| 15:26.10 | tican | abrotman: There is no *86 in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:26.15 | Gathond | nevyn: i686 refers to the instruction set ... not the implementation of a pipeline system |
| 15:26.17 | valdyn | abrotman: same as ? |
| 15:26.30 | abrotman | same as 686 as in it won't barf on a missing instruction |
| 15:26.31 | FarrisG | stouset: Ok, now I think I remember setting up sasl, but I don't have any other configs for it with respect to courier. I'll keep looking. Thanks for the lead |
| 15:26.32 | nevyn | Gathond: no i686 refers to the ARCH. |
| 15:26.33 | tican | Though `uname -m` sais i686 |
| 15:26.43 | abrotman | it's a freaking 686 |
| 15:26.47 | nevyn | and intell added instructions for the P4 to do with hinting |
| 15:27.00 | valdyn | nevyn: it has nothing new to a p3 that is used by the kernel - thats what it means |
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| 15:27.06 | abrotman | nevyn: if you disagree .. tell the kernel devleopers |
| 15:27.19 | nevyn | I'm sure I saw p4 in the kernel stuff.. |
| 15:27.33 | greycat | nevyn: depends on which kernel, of course |
| 15:27.36 | nevyn | debians -686 kernel stuff works on p4 is what that factoid refers to. |
| 15:27.39 | FarrisG | stouset: Ah ha! I found it. In /etc/courier/imapd |
| 15:27.45 | greycat | not that we support breast-feeding end users through custom kernel configurations. |
| 15:27.46 | stouset | FarrisG: :-) |
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| 15:27.48 | abrotman | nevyn: just look at your config |
| 15:27.51 | nevyn | hrm |
| 15:27.51 | MikeH | anyone know if theres a version of DMRAID available for AMD64? |
| 15:28.01 | stouset | FarrisG: Good, good, I knew it was something simple. |
| 15:28.03 | greycat | if they can't even figure out which fucking CPU TYPE to pick, they're *damned* sure going to fuck up the hard stuff. |
| 15:28.09 | streuner | look at this one :-) |
| 15:28.12 | streuner | !xeon |
| 15:28.12 | dpkg | methinks xeon is Pentium II Xeon. or at http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~rkuo/hardware/CPU/PentiumIIXeon.html or http://www.intel.com/intel/inside/svwbrand.htm?iid={whatsnew=svwbrand} or at http://www.tomshardware.com/xeon.html |
| 15:28.24 | abrotman | nevyn: there is a P4 option |
| 15:28.32 | abrotman | nevyn: but what does it give you above 686? |
| 15:28.39 | nevyn | abrotman: better branch hinting. |
| 15:28.47 | abrotman | nevyn: does the kernel actually support that ? |
| 15:28.52 | stouset | Any reason why aptitude would hang at Initializing package states... 99%? |
| 15:28.54 | abrotman | or is the code somehow different ? |
| 15:28.54 | nevyn | no. but GCC does |
| 15:29.05 | xai | Is there a way to slimdown/rebuild the debian .deb database? |
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| 15:29.13 | nevyn | abrotman: the options to gcc change and it generates different code. |
| 15:29.32 | abrotman | nevyn: sure .. and you get .. 0.0453% speed increase .. you have gentooitis! |
| 15:29.43 | stouset | abrotman: Inflammation of the Gentoo? |
| 15:29.45 | streuner | xai: so apt-get doesn't work? |
| 15:29.47 | nevyn | abrotman: that's just untrue. |
| 15:29.50 | streuner | xai: so apt-get update doesn't work? |
| 15:29.52 | abrotman | stouset: causes brainrot :) |
| 15:30.04 | abrotman | nevyn: ok .. find me proof otherwise |
| 15:30.05 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:30.10 | nevyn | if you're resigned to building a custom kernel anyway.. picking the right cpu archetecture should matter |
| 15:30.11 | valdyn | xai: it is possible, but you dont want to do it... |
| 15:30.24 | nevyn | abrotman: gzip gcc libc the kernel. |
| 15:30.35 | nevyn | that's why there's 10 kernel images in the archive |
| 15:30.37 | Gathond | nevyn: my gcc only supports -m pentiumpro as the most recent intel arch (march and mcpu) |
| 15:30.37 | abrotman | nevyn: so why not recompile the whole OS ? |
| 15:30.46 | nevyn | Gathond: which gcc? |
| 15:30.50 | FarrisG | dammit. The sumbitch still tells clients that cram is ok |
| 15:31.03 | stouset | abrotman: That's a damn good idea. Does Debian have emerge in apt? |
| 15:31.15 | Gathond | nevyn: the 3.3 in sid |
| 15:31.18 | abrotman | stouset: /msg dpkg apt-build .. tut on rebuilding the whole system |
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| 15:31.35 | Gathond | nevyn: the man page might be out of date i assume |
| 15:31.38 | stouset | abrotman: I was kidding :-) |
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| 15:31.48 | streuner | xai: so why do you think you need to rebuild apt db? |
| 15:31.50 | PerfDave | Yeah, let's rebuild everything from source so it runs slowly and falls over, just like Gentoy ;) |
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| 15:32.12 | stouset | PerfDave: Well, rebuilding everything from source isn't a problem. |
| 15:32.17 | PetitPoulet[Aw] | salut |
| 15:32.18 | abrotman | stouset: but it's possible |
| 15:32.20 | nevyn | Gathond: gfdl is screwing you :( |
| 15:32.22 | stouset | PerfDave: After all, it was built from source at one point. |
| 15:32.28 | asg | !fr |
| 15:32.29 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:32.41 | stouset | PerfDave: It's picking the wrong compile flags and using unstable software that'll screw you. |
| 15:32.47 | valdyn | stouset: its by far not trivial to rebuild debian from source, if its not a stable release ( in that case i dont know ) |
| 15:33.08 | nevyn | abrotman: someone asked what arch his 2.4gig xeon was and someone said i686 which is just wrong. |
| 15:33.18 | abrotman | nevyn: if you install a debian packaged kernel .. it's 686 |
| 15:33.22 | stouset | valdyn: Not gonna contest that. Just saying that in principle there's nothing wrong with it :-) |
| 15:33.23 | nevyn | he wasn't |
| 15:33.35 | nevyn | he was building a kernel |
| 15:33.44 | abrotman | nevyn: if you compile .. 686 is fine for most stuff .. p4 is better .. but we have people running -386 on P4s .. so ... |
| 15:34.00 | streuner | nevyn: according the factoid xeon its a P II |
| 15:34.08 | stouset | abrotman: I want to run mine -80086 |
| 15:34.13 | valdyn | that factoid must be old |
| 15:34.18 | streuner | !factinfo xeon |
| 15:34.19 | dpkg | xeon -- it has been requested 13 times, last by streuner, 6m 5s ago. |
| 15:34.36 | stouset | !factinfo factinfo |
| 15:34.36 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as factinfo, stouset |
| 15:34.39 | stouset | Damn. |
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| 15:34.43 | asg | stouset: a builtin |
| 15:34.45 | valdyn | xeon = server version of current pX |
| 15:34.46 | abrotman | !factinfo abrotman |
| 15:34.46 | dpkg | abrotman -- created by pseubodot <~p-dot@pseubodot.user> at Tue Mar 29 02:07:21 2005 (45 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by resiak, 4d 2h 12m 14s ago. |
| 15:34.54 | stouset | I was hoping to make dpkg loop to death :-( |
| 15:34.59 | Pappa | lol |
| 15:35.01 | Pappa | !abrotman |
| 15:35.02 | dpkg | abrotman is, like, someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 15:35.13 | abrotman | oh crap |
| 15:35.19 | EdibleText | heh |
| 15:35.20 | stouset | Ha. |
| 15:35.24 | abrotman | pseubodot: you're so dead! .. i'm gonna have you deported to canada! |
| 15:35.29 | stouset | Abrotman was created by Pseubodot. |
| 15:35.37 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 15:35.38 | dpkg | iapf is, like, It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
| 15:35.41 | stew | arch/i386/Makefile:cflags-$(CONFIG_MPENTIUM4) += -march=i686 $(call cc-option,-mtune=pentium4) |
| 15:35.41 | abrotman | that's pseubodot |
| 15:35.43 | nevyn | streuner: then the factoid xeon is wrong |
| 15:35.52 | streuner | !forget xeon |
| 15:35.52 | dpkg | streuner: i forgot xeon |
| 15:35.52 | stew | thats what turning on PENTIUM4 does in the kernel ^^^^^ |
| 15:35.55 | nevyn | just like the factoid celeron is wrong if it says the same thing |
| 15:35.57 | stouset | I don't know how those capitalizations got there. |
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| 15:36.45 | abrotman | nevyn: did you file a bug to get a -p4 kernel ? |
| 15:36.50 | nevyn | ok so it builds 686 reorderd for p4 .. |
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| 15:37.08 | DanC | umm... somebody said aptitude keeps a log... does synaptic? |
| 15:37.09 | nevyn | the point is.. |
| 15:37.10 | valdyn | nevyn: assuming the compiler supports it... |
| 15:37.20 | stouset | abrotman: Do the CPU-specific optimizations actually help all that much? |
| 15:37.36 | stouset | DanC: Dunno. Check /var/log. |
| 15:37.40 | nevyn | stouset: depends what your doing and depends who you ask |
| 15:37.43 | stew | where is assufield when you need an authoritative answer |
| 15:37.45 | abrotman | stouset: according to nevyn it does .. i say if you've got anything PPro or newer .. use 686 :) |
| 15:37.53 | nevyn | stouset: if you ask #debian no |
| 15:37.54 | stouset | nevyn: Well, it doesn't actually depend on who you ask. The answer does, but the truth doesn't ;) |
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| 15:38.20 | nevyn | stouset: for anything that's io bound no. for things that are cpu bound yes |
| 15:38.24 | abrotman | nevyn: i'm not saying it doesn't .. i'm asking "is it really worht it" .. and you can't really prove it does |
| 15:38.37 | abrotman | you just speculate |
| 15:39.06 | DanC | hmm... no, there was no log until I ran aptitude |
| 15:39.15 | stouset | DanC: Sorry, mate. |
| 15:39.22 | nevyn | abrotman: not really. it's just logical |
| 15:39.38 | abrotman | nevyn: proof is proof .. theories are not :) |
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| 15:40.04 | stouset | nevyn: Well, obviously. But for CPU-bound things I still wonder if it makes a noticeable difference. For the kernel and libc, yeah, I can see why. But anything else just seems like overkill. And this is from a guy who cut his teeth on Gentoo. |
| 15:40.08 | abrotman | theoretically .. greycat is god .. but i haven't seen any proof |
| 15:40.15 | DanC | perhaps the dates in /var/lib/info work as a sort of log |
| 15:40.16 | nevyn | abrotman: It's trivial to prove for endcases like.. compression.. and even libc |
| 15:40.25 | valdyn | nevyn: its possible that gcc-3.3, which is current compiler for debian does not do anything significant for mcpu=pentium4 |
| 15:40.30 | abrotman | nevyn: ok .. you go run the numbers.. come back and let me know :) |
| 15:40.40 | stouset | nevyn: Then prove :-) |
| 15:40.44 | EdibleText | abrotman, but we have witnessed the miracles..! that is PROOF! |
| 15:40.52 | abrotman | EdibleText: coincidence! |
| 15:41.15 | abrotman | "Behold as greycat enters #debian and the channel parts" .. maybe he's just a big guy |
| 15:41.17 | Phated | God wouldn't ever type in caps. |
| 15:41.24 | stouset | abrotman: Pah! Ye of little faith! If it were a coincidence, could it have happened TWICE?! |
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| 15:41.38 | Phated | stouset: If it had happened once, it wouldn't BE a coincidence. |
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| 15:41.42 | abrotman | Phated: thunderbolts ? |
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| 15:42.10 | Phated | abrotman: Those are merely emphasis. |
| 15:42.16 | abrotman | okee |
| 15:42.18 | angel_ | is it possible to make a backup of a copy protected CD? I was trying to use nero, but the process failed, now I want to use the command line, on my debian box |
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| 15:42.47 | stouset | angel_: dd if=/dev/hdc of=/dev/hdd? =D |
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| 15:42.58 | ricky_clarkson2 | I froze one window in a screen session. It's my irssi window. Any suggestions? |
| 15:43.03 | stouset | angel_: (that won't work, by the way; at least, I don't think) |
| 15:43.28 | stew | DanC: logging for dpkg is one of the oldest open bugs in the bts |
| 15:43.28 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson2: you speak well for a frozen person |
| 15:43.28 | valdyn | angel_: use dd and let it proceed/ignore on errors, whatever flag that is |
| 15:43.29 | stew | !dbugs 957 |
| 15:43.29 | petemc | or dd_rescue |
| 15:43.29 | dpkg | #957:W[dpkg] dpkg should automatically log everything (fixed-in-experimental) Wed, 7 Jun 1995 14:03:02 UTC [#53376,#77109,#143882] |
| 15:43.29 | DanC | ok, so I'm not alone with my angst |
| 15:43.29 | ricky_clarkson2 | Note that I am different to ricky_clarkson. ;) |
| 15:43.33 | abrotman | nevyn: maybe #gcc knows of some docs ? |
| 15:43.33 | stew | almost 10 years old! |
| 15:43.35 | valdyn | angel_: "copy protection" is just intentional errors afaik |
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| 15:43.36 | ricky_clarkson2 | abrotman, XChat. |
| 15:43.37 | stouset | DanC: Guess not =\ |
| 15:43.48 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson2: you can't kill one window in screen ? |
| 15:44.03 | IDC | It only took 8MB RAM right after it booted in console,but after i was using SSH from client machine to it,check RAM uses, 28MB ! ? |
| 15:44.05 | ricky_clarkson2 | 1. Dunno. 2. I'd rather resurrect the process than kill it. |
| 15:44.17 | Phated | ricky_clarkson2: Try C-a C-q. |
| 15:44.24 | IDC | It was 6MB i mean |
| 15:44.29 | ricky_clarkson2 | Phated, no joy. |
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| 15:44.32 | mwelsh | ok, i have a very strange question this time... is there a way to output audio at a particular intensity level (80dB for example)? |
| 15:44.33 | angel_ | valdyn, stouset - Thanks for your input, i'll make an attempt |
| 15:44.42 | Gathond | IDC: with or without buffer/cache |
| 15:44.43 | Phated | abrotman's turn, then. |
| 15:44.44 | valdyn | IDC: linux ram is _always_ full as soon as you have used sufficient different things to fill it.. |
| 15:44.49 | stouset | angel_: Mind you, I don't think it will work. I could be wrong. |
| 15:44.58 | ricky_clarkson2 | mwelsh, Linux doesn't know how good your speakers are. ;) |
| 15:45.00 | darky | how do i change the size of a filesystem? |
| 15:45.10 | mwelsh | right... |
| 15:45.10 | IDC | Gathond, without buffer/cache |
| 15:45.16 | mwelsh | i knew this wouldnt be easy |
| 15:45.22 | mwelsh | the sound isnt actually going to speakers |
| 15:45.27 | asg | darky: parted (make sure you have a backup since it isn't a guaranteed process.) |
| 15:45.31 | valdyn | IDC: free ram is a waste of resources |
| 15:45.40 | IDC | -/+ buffers/cache: 28 285 |
| 15:45.40 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson2: there's no screen manual ? .. i can't imagine you could get back a zombie process |
| 15:45.56 | rope | darky: which one, ext2/3 ? |
| 15:45.57 | IDC | valdyn, check |
| 15:46.04 | ricky_clarkson2 | abrotman, I don't know whether it's actually zombie, it's just not responding. |
| 15:46.25 | Flimzy | Is there any way with iptables to abort all active connections? |
| 15:46.31 | ricky_clarkson2 | abrotman, "ricky 2096 0.0 1.0 9168 5112 pts/1 S+ May09 1:01 irssi" |
| 15:46.32 | IDC | valdyn, i know what you mean,but i was not talking about that one,i actually meant the exact RAM usage |
| 15:46.33 | darky | rope : 2 |
| 15:46.37 | ricky_clarkson2 | Seems to be alive. |
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| 15:47.05 | EdibleText | angel_ be sure that your 'dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/to/somefile.iso'rather then do 'of=another/block/device' |
| 15:47.07 | Teemu_ | Flimzy: iptables -A INPUT -F or something like that and after that, iptables -P INPUT DROP |
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| 15:47.13 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson2: i sent you a msg :) |
| 15:47.15 | EdibleText | angel_, the results may not bee what you expect |
| 15:47.20 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson2: did it unfreeze it ? |
| 15:47.21 | MikeH | anyone know where I can get an A64 version of quake3? :) |
| 15:47.28 | abrotman | MikeH: ask id ? |
| 15:47.31 | ricky_clarkson2 | abrotman, no. |
| 15:47.32 | streuner | nevyn: Select this for Intel Pentium 4 chips. This includes the Pentium 4, P4-based Celeron and Xeon, and Pentium-4 |
| 15:47.41 | valdyn | MikeH: you cant. |
| 15:47.41 | ricky_clarkson2 | Now another window has frozen. |
| 15:47.45 | nevyn | streuner: right. |
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| 15:47.51 | guestish | hi |
| 15:47.53 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson2: sounds dying to me .. the whole screen session |
| 15:47.57 | rope | darky: resize the partition first, the use resize2fs (it is on Knoppix). The filesystem has to me unmounted when resizing... |
| 15:48.00 | valdyn | MikeH: the 32 bit version runs on amd64 though |
| 15:48.08 | guestish | hi |
| 15:48.13 | ricky_clarkson2 | There was some network lag earlier, could it be a socket timing out? |
| 15:48.19 | rope | darky: ,the = , then |
| 15:48.20 | nevyn | which is what I was saying before people started insisting that a 2.4gig Xeon was a PII which is just ridiculous |
| 15:48.29 | MikeH | valdyn, have to run it under chroot I take it? Where can i aquire the 32bit version? |
| 15:48.29 | guestish | should i install x86-64 debian or install x86 and compile a 64 bit kernel? |
| 15:48.35 | darky | rope: what command will i use? |
| 15:48.42 | cbr | why do i have the /srv dir? |
| 15:48.45 | abrotman | nevyn: we know that .. but does it get any better ? |
| 15:48.50 | MikeH | guestish, x86-64 can be a pain, |
| 15:48.52 | EdibleText | !/srv |
| 15:48.54 | abrotman | which you can't answer |
| 15:48.55 | guestish | can i do that? compile a 64 bit kernel on a 32 bit system? |
| 15:48.57 | EdibleText | !srv |
| 15:48.57 | dpkg | somebody said srv was Stevie Ray Vaughn. He was a darn fine blues guitarist. |
| 15:49.00 | guestish | MikeH, heh |
| 15:49.02 | valdyn | MikeH: no, it doesnt depend on any 32 bit libraries |
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| 15:49.06 | asg | cbr: part of the FHS iirc |
| 15:49.14 | cbr | FHS? |
| 15:49.14 | MikeH | valdyn, aah, cool, where can I grab it then/ :) |
| 15:49.17 | asg | !fhs |
| 15:49.17 | dpkg | somebody said fhs was the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
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| 15:49.25 | valdyn | MikeH: #warez |
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| 15:49.32 | cbr | ah.. so i dont need it |
| 15:49.38 | ricky_clarkson2 | If I run screen -x, nothing happens, it just hangs, but I can type into bash, i.e., my characters are echoed. |
| 15:49.55 | asg | cbr: you may not, some packages may. See what the standard and debian policy say about it. |
| 15:50.00 | MikeH | valdyn, I have the .pak files on the cd, I need the linux engine... |
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| 15:50.06 | administrator | how can I save my CDROM music to my hardrive? |
| 15:50.13 | asg | administrator: abcde |
| 15:50.16 | rope | darky: first you have to resize the partition (i usually use fdisk for that - delete and recreate from the same starting point with biger size). Then use resize2fs. I do that from Knoppix CD as the filesystem has to be unmounted. |
| 15:50.24 | IDC | I have a question please, My previous i815ept motherboard went broke in this morning,then i went out bought another i815EPT motherboard, now it seems work fine without i having to recompile kernel to suit it...or ,should i do that ? |
| 15:50.27 | EdibleText | administrator, cdparanoia |
| 15:50.36 | valdyn | MikeH: www.idsoftware.com ? |
| 15:50.40 | stouset | IDC: It will work. |
| 15:50.44 | valdyn | MikeH: or whoever released this.. |
| 15:50.47 | stouset | IDC: You shouldn't have to compile your kernel in the first place. |
| 15:50.47 | MikeH | im getting connection refused for some reason valdyn |
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| 15:51.11 | nabokov | ricky_clarkson2: maybe you locked it? C-a C-q or somesuch to unlock it, check the man page though |
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| 15:51.23 | asg | nabokov: that was already suggested earlier |
| 15:51.31 | IDC | stouset, i recompiled kernel before my motherboard went broke |
| 15:51.42 | nabokov | asg: ok, was away |
| 15:51.44 | valdyn | MikeH: i mistook it for doom3 but still, quake3 might be working just the same. |
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| 15:52.20 | ricky_clarkson2 | I don't seem to be able to ping the irssi running in it. |
| 15:52.51 | stouset | IDC: As a point of advice, you probably didn't need to in the first place (although there are legitimate reasons). It will work,t hough. |
| 15:53.03 | IDC | Oh,i understand why it takes 28MB RAM on my sever before it took only 6MB after logged in console |
| 15:53.12 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson2: just kill the whole session :) |
| 15:53.12 | defkewl | anybody know a good tutorial for setting up mrtg and snmpd ? |
| 15:53.15 | foxiness | "File size limit exceeded" this msg after im create tar file like backup 12Gb but its stop on 4Gb is there idea here to go around this limit ? |
| 15:53.21 | stouset | IDC: One of the primary reasons not to compile by hand is so that you don't have to worry about swapping components. |
| 15:53.23 | ricky_clarkson2 | abrotman, I'm tempted.. |
| 15:53.31 | stouset | IDC: Because BASH is 8MB? =P |
| 15:53.33 | abrotman | foxiness: which FS ? |
| 15:53.40 | valdyn | foxiness: use a filesystem that supports >4G files |
| 15:53.43 | IDC | because im now under a NAT network,all traffic send from client machine to internet will have to go through my Server,this can be a reason that why it takes more RAM on my server ? |
| 15:53.46 | rope | darky: also the resize2fs complains that the filesytem hat to be checked first, so before resize2fs, do fsck.ext2 -f /dev/hd?? . |
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| 15:54.07 | stouset | IDC: Yes. |
| 15:54.10 | _joey | is anyone familiar with this error message: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied ? |
| 15:54.15 | _joey | running as root |
| 15:54.16 | IDC | stouset, yeah,i just forgot that part :D |
| 15:54.18 | tarzeau | _joey: yeah |
| 15:54.19 | valdyn | !bad interpreter |
| 15:54.19 | dpkg | well, bad-interpreter is a wrong #! line in a script, or script is in crlf - which is the case, if 'od -b filename|grep 015' returns something; ask me about crlf->unix - or script is not executable (use chmod +x on it), or script is on a partition mounted with the noexec (mounting with "user" implies that) option. |
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| 15:54.26 | stouset | _joey: You're trying to run a script from home with noexec set. |
| 15:54.37 | IDC | stouset, so my server is acting a proxy something ,right ? |
| 15:54.37 | _joey | no, not from home |
| 15:54.44 | foxiness | abrotman, this is " tar cvf /media/usbdisk-1/my-doc.tar /media/MY\ DOC/*" |
| 15:54.54 | abrotman | foxiness: which Filesystem ? |
| 15:54.56 | _joey | from root |
| 15:55.03 | stouset | IDC: Your server has to cache all connection info to be able to associate a connection back to the origin IP. |
| 15:55.18 | stouset | _joey: read dpkg's bad-interpreter message. |
| 15:55.19 | _joey | running as ./script |
| 15:55.27 | valdyn | foxiness: this sounds like a usb device with a fat filesystem on it, that wont support such large files.. |
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| 15:55.49 | IDC | stouset, that job is done automatically on my server -->catching . ? |
| 15:55.50 | asg | _joey: does sh ./script fix it? |
| 15:56.02 | stouset | IDC: If your server is the DNAT router, yes. |
| 15:56.10 | ricky_clarkson2 | Ok, I just closed both hung windows to the hung screen session and it started responding again. GRRR. |
| 15:56.16 | foxiness | valdyn, this clear ? than how can i do it |
| 15:56.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:56.25 | IDC | stouset, hmm |
| 15:56.33 | valdyn | foxiness: format it with ext3 |
| 15:56.48 | asg | abrotman: hibernating? |
| 15:56.54 | abrotman | wolves hibernate ? |
| 15:56.56 | DanC | any idea why I can't run programs under gdb? |
| 15:56.57 | DanC | $ gdb /bin/ls |
| 15:57.02 | DanC | (gdb) r |
| 15:57.02 | DanC | Starting program: /bin/ls |
| 15:57.02 | DanC | Cannot exec : No such file or directory. |
| 15:57.06 | donww | Grr...brain not working. What tool would you use to figure out how many inodes are on a given EXT2/3 filesystem? tune2fs doesn't seem to... |
| 15:57.07 | valdyn | foxiness: that means that you want be able to really access it conveniently from windows.. |
| 15:57.07 | IDC | stouset, with 'stuff being cached' it improves performance while it takes some disk space ? |
| 15:57.14 | valdyn | s/want/wont |
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| 15:57.29 | asg | donww: df -i |
| 15:57.33 | DanC | does bastille screw with gdb somehow? also, evolution can't seem to launch firefox |
| 15:57.36 | donww | asg: That's right. Thanks. :) |
| 15:57.40 | asg | donww: you're welcome |
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| 15:58.40 | foxiness | abrotman, the FS is linux |
| 15:58.50 | foxiness | abrotman, not fat |
| 15:58.52 | abrotman | FS is not linux |
| 15:58.59 | simonrvn | linux is not a fs, it's a kernel |
| 15:59.02 | asg | abrotman: you're up to 62% on pete's poll. |
| 15:59.04 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/<device> |
| 15:59.09 | abrotman | asg: i don't wnat to knowthat |
| 15:59.18 | abrotman | asg: this means i have to send a naked picture .. |
| 15:59.22 | foxiness | simonrvn, i know that i mean ext |
| 15:59.23 | asg | abrotman: better get busy then |
| 15:59.29 | simonrvn | ext what? |
| 15:59.31 | abrotman | asg: hopefully you didn't vote for me |
| 15:59.36 | valdyn | foxiness: mount | grep usb |
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| 15:59.39 | abrotman | and which kernel |
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| 15:59.48 | abrotman | since some kernels won't go higher than 4GB |
| 16:00.00 | abrotman | asg: darn you! |
| 16:00.06 | Gathond | abrotman: was that not 2 GB ? |
| 16:00.12 | abrotman | Gathond: oh .. maybe |
| 16:00.17 | abrotman | been a long time :) |
| 16:00.23 | abrotman | !broil asg |
| 16:00.28 | abrotman | !bake asg |
| 16:00.28 | DanC | aha... export SHELL=/bin/bash http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/blubb/2005/03/25/gdb_troubles |
| 16:00.30 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:00.35 | abrotman | dpkg: you need to learn how to cook |
| 16:00.45 | Gathond | abrotman: filesystems/OS's have had problams withthat since the size was a signed int for some reason (negative filesize?) |
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| 16:00.49 | simonrvn | @fart abrotman |
| 16:00.58 | paulswm | !grill abrotman |
| 16:01.01 | Novalis | hi, is there a good reason to switch from xfree to x.org? i mean performance, stability... no licensing |
| 16:01.03 | paulswm | :( |
| 16:01.03 | abrotman | !cook asg |
| 16:01.07 | Gathond | not quite sure wether a 32 bit tar even have support for more thatn 4 GB though |
| 16:01.10 | abrotman | !fry asg |
| 16:01.14 | abrotman | i give up |
| 16:01.14 | asg | Novalis: since x.org isn't in debian, no. |
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| 16:01.21 | simonrvn | Novalis: and you ask here why? debian doesn't do xorg yet |
| 16:01.22 | paulswm | !botabuse |
| 16:01.22 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 16:01.26 | asg | abrotman: you could just lart, kick, smite me |
| 16:01.31 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.37 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
| 16:01.37 | Novalis | isn't it included in sid? |
| 16:01.41 | greycat | 9 years and 343 days old. |
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| 16:01.50 | asg | Novalis: no, it won't be in sid until sarge releases. |
| 16:01.57 | abrotman | !pie asg |
| 16:02.01 | abrotman | yay! |
| 16:02.02 | asg | there we go |
| 16:02.05 | simonrvn | um, it already does |
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| 16:02.20 | DanC | $ dpkg -S /etc/profile |
| 16:02.20 | DanC | dpkg: /etc/profile not found. |
| 16:02.21 | DanC | hmm |
| 16:02.21 | Novalis | oh, ok :) just got a little confused... tried a lot distris the last days |
| 16:02.26 | simonrvn | oh, dpkg the util |
| 16:02.45 | greycat | simonrvn: you thought blootbot had a 9 year 343 day old bug? |
| 16:02.46 | EdibleText | dpkg, log this! |
| 16:02.59 | simonrvn | greycat: for a minute there |
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| 16:03.11 | flevour | hi all |
| 16:03.14 | flevour | hi, i have configured my printer trhough sys->admin->printing, but what if i try to print the test page it takes ages to start printing and it prints garbage, any ideas? |
| 16:03.16 | BlackSpirit | anyone has install debian on a pocket pc ? |
| 16:03.46 | DanC | how is $SHELL supposed to be set? |
| 16:03.55 | asg | BlackSpirit: zaurii and ipaqs are apparently doable. |
| 16:03.58 | greycat | DanC: by your passwd(5) entry usually. |
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| 16:04.18 | greycat | I forget whether it's login(1) or something else that actually sets it. |
| 16:04.24 | DanC | connolly@dirk:~$ chsh |
| 16:04.24 | DanC | You may not change the shell for connolly |
| 16:04.38 | asg | DanC: does it have the suid bit set? |
| 16:04.48 | DanC | $ ls -l /usr/bin/chsh |
| 16:04.48 | DanC | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 28088 May 10 12:44 /usr/bin/chsh |
| 16:04.49 | greycat | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 28088 Apr 19 13:48 /usr/bin/chsh |
| 16:04.51 | illsci | Can you install sarge without using the debian installer? |
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| 16:05.00 | greycat | !d-i illsci |
| 16:05.01 | illsci | I need to have SATA support for my hd |
| 16:05.02 | dpkg | illsci, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:05.08 | greycat | !custom d-i |
| 16:05.08 | dpkg | methinks custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 16:05.18 | illsci | sweet |
| 16:05.19 | illsci | thanks |
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| 16:06.06 | greycat | DanC: what does "id" say your actual privileges are? |
| 16:06.11 | IDC | which is the best ssh client for windows ? |
| 16:06.16 | valdyn | illsci: which sata chip ? |
| 16:06.16 | BlackSpirit | asg can you say me that slowly please ^^ |
| 16:06.18 | rommer | putty |
| 16:06.20 | abrotman | IDC: putty |
| 16:06.27 | IDC | im using putty now |
| 16:06.27 | DanC | $ id |
| 16:06.27 | DanC | uid=59916(connolly) gid=69(www) groups=24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),33(www-data),44(video),69(www) |
| 16:06.28 | illsci | valdyn: I think its sony |
| 16:06.28 | ignatz | SecureCRT ^^ |
| 16:06.38 | greycat | DanC: very strange. |
| 16:06.40 | abrotman | IDC: what's wrong with it ? |
| 16:06.41 | illsci | valdyn: Its on a sony vaio laptop |
| 16:06.43 | foxiness | valdyn, thank you i found this "/media/usbdisk-1 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8) |
| 16:06.43 | foxiness | " |
| 16:06.45 | valdyn | illsci: did you try the linux26 boot option? |
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| 16:06.49 | illsci | Yeah i did |
| 16:06.54 | illsci | it didnt recognize the hard drive |
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| 16:06.56 | IDC | abrotman, The fonts are too small in putty |
| 16:07.02 | illsci | it says No partitionable media found |
| 16:07.05 | resiak | IDC: Then ... make them bigger? |
| 16:07.07 | abrotman | IDC: i think you can configure that |
| 16:07.17 | greycat | resiak: my God! you're a genius! |
| 16:07.22 | IDC | let me check |
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| 16:07.32 | asg | BlackSpirit: since linux can run (or be made to run) on the Zaurus and Ipaq, then you can put debian on them. PocketPC (if you mean Dell Axim or similar) are probably not going to work. |
| 16:07.32 | illsci | Is there some arguments I can give it besides linux26 on the boot prompt to get this to work |
| 16:07.35 | abrotman | IDC: i see that you can make the font larger |
| 16:07.38 | illsci | rather than build my own custom installer |
| 16:07.40 | asg | BlackSpirit: check handhelds.org for more info. |
| 16:07.40 | valdyn | foxiness: yep, so you are going to need to format it with a filesystem that supports such large files, or split up your tar archive |
| 16:07.50 | abrotman | IDC: good thing you asked us before looking :) |
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| 16:07.59 | greycat | DanC: test it without sudo, after relogin, to see... |
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| 16:08.02 | greycat | DanC: if it still fails, file a bug |
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| 16:08.09 | BlackSpirit | ags thanks and sorry i'm french ;) |
| 16:08.14 | DanC | hmm... ok |
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| 16:08.17 | IDC | abrotman, That happens ,lol :) |
| 16:08.22 | resiak | greycat: I've been at uni for a year. We learnt about the fact that fonts can be scaled today :p |
| 16:08.28 | asg | BlackSpirit: you're welcome (and I have nothing against the French) |
| 16:08.35 | BlackSpirit | asm loool |
| 16:08.36 | nunez | Does XMMS support .wmv? |
| 16:08.37 | BlackSpirit | asg |
| 16:08.44 | greycat | nunez: try mplayer. |
| 16:08.48 | foxiness | valdyn, is fat32 support 4gb> ? becuse i need this fat to read it from my work "windows" and my home "linux" |
| 16:08.52 | greycat | (with the w32codecs, most likely) |
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| 16:09.10 | valdyn | foxiness: afaik no |
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| 16:09.15 | gatito | hola |
| 16:09.19 | greycat | !es |
| 16:09.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:09.20 | asg | mucho gusto! |
| 16:09.23 | huesitos | hola gatito |
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| 16:09.43 | valdyn | foxiness: its not hard to make a split up tar archive |
| 16:09.54 | BlackSpirit | nunez vlc supports wmv |
| 16:09.58 | huesitos | floripani donde estas? |
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| 16:10.07 | foxiness | valdyn, i dont know how :) |
| 16:10.11 | huesitos | luzmari estas dentro? |
| 16:10.12 | p10 | hola huesito que tarde tan entretenida eh? |
| 16:10.20 | gato | hola |
| 16:10.21 | greycat | !es |
| 16:10.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:10.21 | paulswm | !es |
| 16:10.22 | DanC | ok, chsh, evolution, gdb happy now that /etc/passwd has /bin/bash |
| 16:10.31 | foxiness | my i need to split my harddisk better :) |
| 16:10.37 | gato | me lamo fff |
| 16:10.37 | DanC | I wonder how I it was unset for so long |
| 16:10.37 | huesitos | creo que hoy va a ser la mejor p10 |
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| 16:10.48 | paulswm | YAY |
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| 16:11.02 | foxiness | thank you a lot valdyn for your great tip |
| 16:11.07 | DanC | evolution silently failed to launch firefox before, when SHELL wasn't set; I wonder if that's worth a bug report |
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| 16:11.26 | greycat | DanC: SHELL didn't get set to /bin/sh by default? |
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| 16:11.34 | DanC | no |
| 16:11.42 | greycat | that sounds like the bug. |
| 16:11.59 | streuner | p16: that wasn't a good idea... |
| 16:12.06 | DanC | well, I can't be sure... it's been ages since I originall installed this system, and it's something of a frankenstein |
| 16:12.17 | greycat | 12:10 huesitos [~p1@161.Red-80-34-106.pooles.rima-tde.net] |
| 16:12.19 | greycat | 12:12 p10 [~p10@161.Red-80-34-106.pooles.rima-tde.net] |
| 16:12.29 | DanC | i.e. I might have manually copied /etc/passwd from somewhere else |
| 16:12.34 | greycat | 12:12 = gatito [~p12@161.Red-80-34-106.pooles.rima-tde.net] quit (Client Quit) |
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| 16:12.44 | greycat | attack of the clones. |
| 16:13.04 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 16:13.05 | _joey | well, I am having a problem with this permission denied, dpkg suggests to remove any 015 carriage returns, when I remove it md5 checksum fails when I run it |
| 16:13.15 | _joey | the script is executable |
| 16:13.20 | ivan_ | hello. how can i make a new md5sum so debconf can overwrite my hand crafted XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 16:13.22 | greycat | DanC: login(1) says that it's responsible for setting SHELL from the password entry, assuming you logged in on a console.... |
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| 16:13.31 | greycat | DanC: how did you actually log in? |
| 16:13.35 | DanC | gdm |
| 16:13.38 | greycat | ah. |
| 16:13.40 | greycat | !pal GNOME users |
| 16:13.43 | ivan_ | !XF86Config-4 |
| 16:13.44 | dpkg | ivan_, go to extremebit.com to find out about rulers of the world! ivan_, you are not one of them. |
| 16:13.58 | DanC | hey, now |
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| 16:14.01 | _joey | grrr. some wanker packaged it on ms windows for linux |
| 16:14.04 | goron | Where do I get the cramfs patches? |
| 16:14.19 | greycat | !tell ivan_ about x md5sum |
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| 16:14.31 | goron | According to make-kpkg I need those when I use --initrd . |
| 16:14.41 | valdyn | foxiness: tar cjO /path/to/backup | split -b 4G |
| 16:14.49 | ivan_ | thanks greycat |
| 16:15.00 | valdyn | foxiness: tar cjO /path/to/backup | split -b 4g |
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| 16:15.22 | greycat | DanC: well, I'd consider it a bug. Good luck convincing the GNOME developers. |
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| 16:15.55 | DanC | er... GNOME developers don't admit it when their software has bugs? |
| 16:15.55 | martha | Is there any way to convert BIN files to ISO without burning? |
| 16:15.55 | dos000 | anyone explain why i get "mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /opt-001/ busy" i know /opt-001 is not busy |
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| 16:15.58 | goron | valdyn: Do you know about initrd kernels? |
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| 16:16.06 | EdibleText | martha, bchunk |
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| 16:16.12 | greycat | DanC: I'd start with reportbug |
| 16:16.12 | DanC | the easiest one to find was Bug Buddy... |
| 16:16.22 | valdyn | goron: not particularily well |
| 16:16.22 | EdibleText | !bchunk |
| 16:16.22 | dpkg | hmm... bchunk is a bin2iso tool to convert .bin to .iso and .cdr so you can burn with cdrecord. eg: 'cdrecord ... blah.iso -audio [-pad] [-swab] blah*.cdr'. It's available at http://hes.iki.fi/bchunk/, or in debian (woody and above) |
| 16:16.30 | FarrisG | I've noticed that courier's imapd config file says this about IMAP_CAPABILITY: "IMAP_CAPABILITY specifies what MOST [emphasis mine] of the response should be to the CAPABILITY command." Any idea where the REST of it comes from? |
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| 16:16.45 | asg | !wb helix |
| 16:16.46 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! helix has returned! |
| 16:17.04 | helix | kthx |
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| 16:17.48 | Ungy | what is this error and hwo do I fix it? "man: command exited with status 2: (echo '.ll 103n'; /usr/bin/zsoelim /tmp/zmanUmn71f) | /usr/bin/tbl | /usr/bin/nroff -mandoc -rLL=103n -rLT=103n -Tascii | exec /usr/bin/pager -s" |
| 16:17.57 | Twisted_Emotions | Anyone know what this trackback error is http://channels.debian.net/paste/136? |
| 16:18.22 | martha | EdibleText: thanks |
| 16:18.28 | Twisted_Emotions | Ungy: Wtf... what are you trying to run? |
| 16:18.44 | Twisted_Emotions | your running man and getting that error? |
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| 16:18.55 | rommer | how can i install gnome desktop? |
| 16:19.04 | Ungy | Twisted_Emotions man smb.conf |
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| 16:19.14 | BlackSpirit | rommer do you have a front end ? |
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| 16:19.31 | Twisted_Emotions | Ungy: Just read it online... then remove and reinstall man package |
| 16:19.32 | huesitos | aki estamos...... |
| 16:19.35 | rommer | nope |
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| 16:19.46 | BlackSpirit | rommer ok |
| 16:19.51 | BlackSpirit | apt-get isntall gnome |
| 16:19.51 | MARIAPER | HOLA FLORI |
| 16:19.54 | BlackSpirit | ^^ |
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| 16:20.01 | Twisted_Emotions | Anyone know what this trackback error is http://channels.debian.net/paste/136? |
| 16:20.04 | Twisted_Emotions | anyone? |
| 16:20.07 | rommer | ok thought it would be that |
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| 16:20.29 | asg | Twisted_Emotions: some python script by the looks of it |
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| 16:20.44 | Twisted_Emotions | greycat: LoL.. why did you kick... hahaha? |
| 16:20.48 | EdibleText | aqui hablamos englese |
| 16:20.58 | greycat | so you can't turn a +q into a +b without some period of unsafeness? That sucks. |
| 16:21.26 | Twisted_Emotions | asg: yeah I thought so I just wasnt sure... should i reinstall the python script? |
| 16:21.33 | Twisted_Emotions | *package? |
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| 16:21.51 | asg | Twisted_Emotions: that I don't know. |
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| 16:22.02 | Twisted_Emotions | asg: All good thanks anyways ;) |
| 16:22.09 | asg | Twisted_Emotions: you're welcome |
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| 16:23.28 | DanC | umm... I'm about ready to submit this bug on gdm, greycat, but I don't think I have an MTA on this machine. |
| 16:23.45 | DanC | ah... good... Connecting to smtp.everestkc.net via SMTP... |
| 16:23.56 | flevour | this is the cups log for my problem (when trying to printing a page, it hangs and then it prints out garbage): http://rafb.net/paste/results/FXjJIF83.html |
| 16:23.57 | greycat | how could you NOT have an MTA on a unix box?? |
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| 16:24.34 | DanC | an MTA wants to know what its DNS hostname is. This machine has no DNS hostname. It's a client, not a server |
| 16:24.44 | greycat | !info ssmtp |
| 16:24.51 | dpkg | ssmtp: (extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mail hub), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.61-3 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 16:25.13 | asg | flevour: ask #ubuntu |
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| 16:25.23 | Gathond | DanC: not entirely correct, the mta needs to have a valid hostname for it to recieve email from other hosts, not to send it |
| 16:25.57 | flevour | asg: i already did, thought it could be a system problem rather than a distro one |
| 16:25.58 | DanC | I know that's all an MTA *needs*, but they seem to want more |
| 16:26.00 | Yaakov | Just give it a name in /etc/hosts |
| 16:26.16 | _joey | Has anyone installed Mathematica on Debian? |
| 16:26.22 | Gathond | but is it even possible to install a debian without an mta (with any usefull set otf packages)? |
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| 16:26.46 | xerophyte | what is the best method to save notes, saving it as text file and use grep or use the local phpbb and store it there ???? |
| 16:26.48 | flevour | asg: do you know of any support channel for cups better than #cups (9 ppl in it) ? |
| 16:26.53 | dos000 | how can i figure where s /dev/sda1 mounted ? |
| 16:26.58 | DanC | I have an MTA, but it's configured ala "nothing. don't send mail" or something |
| 16:27.03 | asg | xerophyte: text files work for me. |
| 16:27.07 | flevour | dos000: fstab |
| 16:27.09 | Gathond | dos000: type mount |
| 16:27.10 | asg | flevour: I'm sorry, I don't. |
| 16:27.10 | EdibleText | dos000, 'mount' |
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| 16:27.39 | asg | flevour: there are probably mailing lists that might help though. |
| 16:27.44 | xerophyte | asg, but little unorgize way .. you know what i mean |
| 16:27.54 | dos000 | flevour, i already commented fstab and mount | grep sda shows nothing. but i still get device is busy when i try to mount it ! |
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| 16:28.14 | nathan | anyone able to tell me if any 802.11g usb recievers with debian? this g3 cant find my linksys pci reciever |
| 16:28.27 | flevour | dos000: are you trying to mount or umount it? |
| 16:28.39 | nathan | er if they work with debian rather |
| 16:28.51 | dos000 | flevour, just mount it . i commented fstab and renooted. and i still cannot mount it |
| 16:28.56 | asg | xerophyte: well, it works for me but there are other solutions that are more palatable to certain people's working environment. |
| 16:28.57 | Gathond | dos000: if you use udev of devfs it might not show as /dev/sda in mount but more like: /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 |
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| 16:29.07 | ircdevil | hmm, my upgrade is stuck at a dependency problem with xlibmesa-gl. what do i do - where to read? (nothing in the faq afaik) |
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| 16:29.22 | nathan | dos000, im thinking that this g3 needs a mac designed pci wifi card |
| 16:29.26 | shizz | anybody know where I could get XFire Messenger for linux? |
| 16:30.01 | xelam | how do i get debian to ignore unknown keyboard scancodes instead of whinging about them? |
| 16:30.17 | Gathond | shizz: if one exists probably from the same place as whatever version you used before |
| 16:30.20 | dos000 | Gathond, i am still able to do cfdisk /dev/sda tho ! |
| 16:30.27 | MikeH | has anyone here managed to install quake3 on debian a64 yet? |
| 16:30.30 | shizz | well, i used it for windows xp :| |
| 16:30.43 | Gathond | dos000: yes, because devfsd makes that link for compatibility reasons |
| 16:30.45 | shizz | is it possible to use win32 under debian? |
| 16:30.51 | nunez | why doesnt apt-get install let me install mplayer? |
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| 16:31.14 | Ungy | ok does anyone know where there is a man page for smb.conf then? |
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| 16:31.27 | Ungy | Since my man keeps blowing up as I try to read it |
| 16:31.30 | ethics | shizzL /msg dpkg wine and you can run vmware also |
| 16:31.39 | Gathond | shizz: unless the makers have a linux version (would presumably be available at the same location as their windows version) there is only wine left to try, but your milage may vary |
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| 16:31.49 | dos000 | Gathond, /dev/scsi is not here at all |
| 16:32.10 | Gathond | dos000: what does mount show of disk names? |
| 16:32.15 | EdibleText | Ungy, google it.. my guess would be samba.org |
| 16:32.16 | ethics | nunez: /msg dokg mplayer then ask about mirrilat,,,check the spelling |
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| 16:32.30 | thingfish | marillat |
| 16:32.39 | EdibleText | check the spelling of dpkg ;) |
| 16:32.40 | shizz | Gathond, poo. |
| 16:32.44 | Gathond | dos000: might remember that wrong:) replaced a /dev/ide with /dev/scsi in the above since my scsi machine is currently shut down |
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| 16:32.53 | dos000 | Gathond, i see sdc{1,6} |
| 16:33.00 | ethics | dos: scsi =sda for hard disks |
| 16:33.04 | ircdevil | there seem to be a problem with /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 existing in both xlibmesa-gl and fglrx and dpkg complains about overwriting this file. how can i test if the files are identical? |
| 16:33.14 | cg0def | does anyone know where I can get a deb for openoffice 1.9.*? |
| 16:33.19 | cg0def | I want to try it out |
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| 16:33.33 | ircdevil | cg0def: apt-get.org may have it |
| 16:33.36 | greycat | ircdevil: cmp, diff |
| 16:33.47 | cg0def | ircdevil: thx |
| 16:34.09 | Hackel | Do I need to do something to parse /etc/login.defs? I'm trying to set QMAIL_DIR so the env. variable is set properly for mutt (without putting it in .bashrc explicitly) |
| 16:34.10 | dos000 | Gathond, i see /dev/sdc{1,6} , i have 4 sata hdd only two are properlt formated sdc and sda supposedly |
| 16:34.22 | ircdevil | greycat: so manually extract the packages - md5sum the files - and then? dpkg -i --force-depends ? |
| 16:34.28 | cg0def | ircdevil: about that ATI driver the debs create a diverge of the lib and it does work (eventually) |
| 16:34.34 | ircdevil | that is - if they are identical |
| 16:34.35 | Gathond | dos000: ok, dont know then |
| 16:34.35 | greycat | ################# OBSOLETED BY PAM ############## |
| 16:34.39 | cg0def | ircdevil: it's a reall pain sometimes |
| 16:34.42 | greycat | Hackel: did you read that part? |
| 16:35.12 | peterS | greycat has been obsoleted by pam? who is pam? does she have ops? |
| 16:35.15 | ircdevil | !pam |
| 16:35.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pam is the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html. PAM Always Malfunctions |
| 16:35.33 | Hackel | greycat: Yeah, I thought that was only for the options at the bottom of login.defs, though. |
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| 16:35.38 | foxiness | thank you valdyn this what i need , thanks a lot |
| 16:35.42 | sec_dude | what is socks proxy (same as a proxy server ?) |
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| 16:35.58 | greycat | Hackel: I wouldn't trust anything in that file at all... if you get it to work, great. |
| 16:36.12 | ethics | socks is a type of proxy...auuthenticated normally |
| 16:36.15 | Hackel | greycat: Also /etc/pam.d/login says "is better handled by /etc/login.defs, since userdel also uses it" |
| 16:36.19 | simonrvn | Hackel: /etc/security/pam_env.conf IIRC |
| 16:36.22 | abrotman | socks |
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| 16:36.30 | abrotman | !tell sec_dude about socks |
| 16:36.45 | IDC | SSH is so cool tool :) |
| 16:36.47 | greycat | Hackel: userdel can bite me. if you're using qmail, then ~/Maildir/ goes away when ~ goes away. |
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| 16:37.33 | Hackel | greycat: I'm not even using qmail, just Maildirs with exim. I was just doing what Pam told me to. :) |
| 16:37.34 | dos000 | is there any way to know what is making my /dev/sda1 busy beside fstab and mount | grep out there ? |
| 16:37.36 | doub | greycat: what would make qmail go away? |
| 16:37.41 | greycat | Hackel: same difference. |
| 16:38.20 | greycat | doub: I've heard good things about postfix, but never learned it |
| 16:38.35 | doub | !start an mta war |
| 16:38.36 | dpkg | sendmail has an evil license |
| 16:38.39 | dos000 | or forcing it to not be busy would be good ! |
| 16:39.15 | Hackel | greycat: So any idea how to change it in pam? I didn't see it in /etc/security/pam_env.conf |
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| 16:40.56 | doub | greycat: so do I. the only thing boring with qmail is its licence, and its author's behavior. like when he tries to impose his very own view on how mail should be handled, and how files must be placed for qmail to work, or how the connection should be made... |
| 16:41.18 | doub | all sort of "I'm the only one right here" behavior which is sometimes a little annoying |
| 16:41.52 | greycat | Hackel: the *best* solution to this problem would be to fix pam_env to be smarter so that you could put MAIL=$HOME/Maildir/ in /etc/environment |
| 16:42.02 | greycat | Hackel: then all this stupidity could just *end*. |
| 16:42.04 | ircdevil | hehehe |
| 16:42.27 | Hackel | greycat: Heh, well the problem is I want to set MAILDIR and *not* MAIL, but I can't find where to disable it from setting MAIL. |
| 16:42.28 | simonrvn | p2-mate: quik -6 made it to sarge ;) |
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| 16:42.42 | doub | ircdevil: you're a devil only inside IRC? |
| 16:43.06 | greycat | Hackel: why not? mutt and bash both love it when I set MAIL=$HOME/Maildir/ with the trailing slash. Why would I need MAILDIR to be set? What uses that? |
| 16:43.39 | Hackel | greycat: Ahh, I just read to use that for maildirs, didn't try it the other way. |
| 16:43.52 | Stereo | greycat: bash shows you the number of unread mails? |
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| 16:44.03 | _joey | I'd piss myself if it's goin' to foil again |
| 16:44.12 | asg | better get the bucket |
| 16:44.13 | greycat | Stereo: no, just the "you have new mail" message. |
| 16:44.17 | Stereo | oh |
| 16:44.18 | mwelsh | is there a quick way to record from a line in to a .wav file? |
| 16:44.53 | coywolf | how to upgrade from gcc 3.3 to gcc 3.4? |
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| 16:45.05 | ethics | mwelsh: grecord? |
| 16:45.13 | asg | coywolf: apt-get install gcc-3.4 |
| 16:45.29 | coywolf | asg, will that remove gcc-3.3 ? |
| 16:45.32 | asg | coywolf: no |
| 16:45.52 | asg | coywolf: you will have to fool with update-alternatives to get gcc -> gcc-3.4 though |
| 16:46.03 | asg | coywolf: or just hack your Makefiles to do the right thing. |
| 16:46.04 | coywolf | asg, when i try to remove gcc-3.3, it re-installs gcc-3.3 automatically |
| 16:46.14 | simonrvn | gcc doesn't use alternatives |
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| 16:46.37 | Hackel | Okay, adding MAIL to /etc/profile seemed to work fine, thanks... |
| 16:46.37 | simonrvn | you have to do the symlinks manually |
| 16:46.37 | asg | simonrvn: it used to. |
| 16:46.42 | simonrvn | ah, ok |
| 16:46.57 | doub | why doesn't it, btw? |
| 16:47.11 | asg | simonrvn: but I could have been dreaming about rabbits at the time. |
| 16:47.42 | asg | simonrvn: ah, 'cc' uses alternatives |
| 16:47.44 | simonrvn | i don't see it here |
| 16:47.48 | simonrvn | ah yes |
| 16:47.54 | EdibleText | coywolf, try 'CC=gcc-3.4 make foo' |
| 16:48.03 | simonrvn | /etc/alternatives/cc -> /usr/bin/gcc* |
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| 16:48.09 | asg | simonrvn: back to square one :) |
| 16:48.15 | coywolf | EdibleText, i want to have only one gcc version |
| 16:48.21 | simonrvn | the * is the -F flag on my ls alias) |
| 16:48.33 | EmleyMoor | I have been having trouble with my spamassassin bayes db since upgrading to sarge - was using a backport before - now tie fails when trying to open. How do I fix? |
| 16:48.33 | doub | coywolf: you can install one and remove the other |
| 16:48.48 | simonrvn | i had to start using gcc-3.4 for various reasons... |
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| 16:49.03 | coywolf | doub, i can't remove the old ones, i got them auto reinstalled when i try to remove them |
| 16:49.07 | simonrvn | that won't work, a bunch of stuff might get removed (removing gcc-3.3) |
| 16:49.16 | asg | EmleyMoor: the db version are probably incompatible. See if there is a way to convert whatever version you had with whatever you now have. |
| 16:49.16 | goron | I think I don't have cramfs support. Where is it? I am using debian kernel sources. |
| 16:49.30 | simonrvn | dbXX_upgrade maybe |
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| 16:49.33 | doub | coywolf: some dependency problem maybe. try 'apt-get install gcc-3.4 gcc-3.3-' |
| 16:49.40 | doub | coywolf: add --purge if necessary |
| 16:49.51 | EmleyMoor | asg: Can we assume, for the moment, that there isn't? They would have to be scrapped and started again at a guess |
| 16:49.55 | perter | can i ask help about tcpdump here? |
| 16:50.06 | coywolf | doub, what's gcc-3.3- ? |
| 16:50.16 | asg | EmleyMoor: see what simonrvn said above |
| 16:50.19 | doub | coywolf: it's "remove gcc-3.3" |
| 16:50.27 | simonrvn | coywolf: the last - indicates to apt-get that that package should be removed |
| 16:50.34 | greycat | !tell perter about ask |
| 16:50.43 | coywolf | dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of gcc-3.3: |
| 16:50.43 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:51.12 | greycat | EdibleText: yeah, like "you cannot end a package name with a - because of this silly feature" |
| 16:51.12 | simonrvn | that's why stuff like apt-get --purge install foo bar- works ;) |
| 16:51.30 | EmleyMoor | simonrvn: What do you mean by "dbXX_upgrade"/ |
| 16:51.41 | doub | greycat: why would you want to name a package foo- anyway? |
| 16:51.43 | goron | Already found it. |
| 16:51.51 | EdibleText | greycat, yeah ;) |
| 16:52.12 | greycat | doub: I seem to recall that there was, at one point, a variant of a roguelike game that called itself "nethack--" or "hack--" or something. |
| 16:52.28 | simonrvn | in debian there's different bdb versions, 2 and up. 3.x packages use (or used to use) db_$name; the 4.1.x and 4.2.x packages have db4.x_$name as a name |
| 16:52.29 | greycat | doub: it seems to have vanished from the 'net, as many things do... |
| 16:52.50 | simonrvn | so you get like say, db4.2_upgrade, db4.2_recover, etc. |
| 16:52.50 | ethics | microsoft called something plus...not to mentions C++ uss an operand so its not that outlandish |
| 16:52.50 | doub | greycat: so what? not all caracters are allowed as package names, that won't prevent the binary to be so named |
| 16:53.07 | greycat | doub: but - IS allowed in a debian package name. |
| 16:53.24 | greycat | doub: what if someone made a programming language called c-- ? |
| 16:53.31 | simonrvn | within it, sure |
| 16:53.33 | goron | Somehow it's still impossible to mount my root fs. I have done:enabled EXT3 support in the kernel, I created an initrd kernel. cramfs support is in the kernel. Isn't there some HOWTO? |
| 16:53.37 | doub | greycat: it already exists |
| 16:53.45 | furrywolf | hands? |
| 16:53.55 | stew | goron: ide/scsi controller? |
| 16:53.55 | EmleyMoor | simonrvn: I don't think there's been a major change between the backports.org version and the one in sarge |
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| 16:54.16 | simonrvn | goron: why not just drop the initrd (unless you're on a RAID / or something) |
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| 16:54.28 | doub | greycat: there's also gtk--, the former name c++ wrapper for gtk, now named gtkmm |
| 16:54.28 | perter | can anybody please tell me how to know info like packet size n packet type from tcpdump output or please give me the url for a decent tutorial about it. Thanks |
| 16:54.29 | slyboots | Hi |
| 16:54.43 | EdibleText | furrywolf, thats disturbing when used as a verb |
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| 16:54.50 | simonrvn | EmleyMoor: may be slight difference, depending on when the backports one was last updated |
| 16:54.55 | greycat | doub: excellent example. |
| 16:54.56 | EdibleText | 'hands' that is |
| 16:54.57 | illsci | does anyone in here run sid? |
| 16:54.58 | furrywolf | edible: lol |
| 16:55.03 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 16:55.03 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:55.04 | cbr | illsci: sure |
| 16:55.14 | goron | stew: I used the 2.6.8-2 kernel configuration as a start and only *removed* stuff (and I didn't remove IDE stuff). I am not sure why I should add anything. |
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| 16:55.16 | illsci | im about to try and use it on my laptop because I cant get sarge on there |
| 16:55.25 | doub | greycat: i suppose its for this precise reason. but is that so cumbersome? |
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| 16:55.31 | goron | simonrvn: The problem is that my root fs isn't mounted. |
| 16:55.33 | illsci | is that would you would have if you installed sarge and did apt-get dist-upgrade with the unstable sources in your apt.sources file |
| 16:55.35 | illsci | ? |
| 16:55.37 | furrywolf | dunno... a good handsing could be fun, depending on what it is. :P |
| 16:55.37 | illsci | is sid? |
| 16:55.49 | goron | simonrvn: Thus you are right I don't have to use initd. |
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| 16:55.55 | slyboots | Warning: Couldn't set audio fragment size |
| 16:55.55 | slyboots | audio: Invalid argument |
| 16:56.14 | simonrvn | slyboots: doesn't it have a channel on this network? |
| 16:56.16 | goron | simonrvn: But I read it give you less headache when you do for mounting the root fs. |
| 16:56.17 | EdibleText | furrywolf, purrhaps its the furry analogue to the verb 'paws' |
| 16:56.31 | slyboots | Not sure, not that I see |
| 16:56.48 | goron | stew: I have a IDE controller. |
| 16:56.48 | simonrvn | goron: double-check to see if you have support for your drive controller |
| 16:57.00 | furrywolf | heh |
| 16:57.37 | stew | goron: if you started with the debian config and are using an initrd you shouldn't have a problem, if you don't want to use an initrd you have to change stuff from M to Y in the kernel config |
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| 16:58.09 | doub | greycat: you can't have a _ in a package name either, that's not a problem. you won't have caps either, so ugly capitalized names disapear, but that's just usually marketing hype. what's the point? |
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| 16:58.40 | furrywolf | and it prevents aol users from creating debian packages. :P |
| 16:58.44 | EmleyMoor | Why was gcdmaster dropped from Debian? |
| 16:58.45 | greycat | doub: since _ is illegal already, why didn't they use "apt-get install foobar_" for their special removal syntax? Why did they use a *valid* *character* in that way? |
| 16:58.57 | goron | stew: I am using make-pkg --initrd kernel-image. Do I need to do more then this? |
| 16:59.03 | greycat | doub: I expect better from programmers. |
| 16:59.16 | stew | goron: make sure your bootloader knows about the initrd |
| 16:59.30 | simonrvn | OMGLOLKTHX_2.3.1-3 |
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| 16:59.37 | goron | stew: If you build a package, the bootloader is told about that fact. |
| 16:59.44 | doub | greycat: file a bug report, make a policy change proposal, whatever, then |
| 17:00.01 | stew | goron: depending on /etc/kernel-img.conf iirc |
| 17:00.06 | stew | goron: doesn't hurt to check |
| 17:00.10 | simonrvn | furrywolf: ^^^ |
| 17:00.17 | goron | stew: initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.11 |
| 17:00.18 | nunez | whats the option for mplayer to do wmv? |
| 17:00.24 | goron | stew: It's there. |
| 17:00.25 | doub | greycat: i bet - is intuitive for "remove", as + is for "add" |
| 17:00.28 | furrywolf | simon: stfukthxbye? |
| 17:00.29 | greycat | nunez: "apt-get install w32codecs" most likely. |
| 17:00.42 | simonrvn | furrywolf: no, just OMGLOLKTHX |
| 17:00.49 | stew | goron: then its either IDE controller or root fs |
| 17:00.49 | furrywolf | lol |
| 17:00.59 | greycat | !loll |
| 17:00.59 | dpkg | loll, v.i. ... 3. To let the tongue hang from the mouth, as an ox, dog, or other animal, when heated by labor; as, the ox stood lolling in the furrow. ... v 2: be lazy or idle; "The triple porter of the Stygian seat, With lolling tongue lay fawning at thy feet." --Dryden. |
| 17:01.07 | EdibleText | nunez, when thats done.. you 'mplayer dancemonkeyboy.wmv' |
| 17:01.10 | goron | stew: Ok, then it's IDE controller. |
| 17:01.13 | EdibleText | nunez, for example |
| 17:01.21 | simonrvn | furrywolf: package name OMGLOLKTHX, upstream version 2.3.1, debian version 3 |
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| 17:01.45 | furrywolf | yes, and stfukthxbye was my response. :P |
| 17:01.48 | simonrvn | lol |
| 17:01.50 | stew | goron: is there a good reason you are compiling a kernel in the first place? |
| 17:01.50 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.59 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 17:02.11 | greycat | doub: they could've used ^foobar instead. |
| 17:02.31 | EdibleText | General RoflMao |
| 17:02.39 | simonrvn | what do you do for \/ then? ;p |
| 17:02.42 | nunez | EdibleText, apt-get install w32codecs doesnt work, cant find it |
| 17:02.46 | IDC | brb |
| 17:02.51 | nydust | can some one se if this address are online |
| 17:02.51 | nydust | what do you see on this ip? 81.191.131.222 |
| 17:02.58 | goron | stew: Yes |
| 17:03.02 | doub | greycat: that would conflict with regular expression support, as it's already in apt-get install/remove syntax AFAIK |
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| 17:03.13 | EmleyMoor | Is there a way I can report a bug (of the feature request/oversight/unnecessary conflict nature) on a package I don't have installed? |
| 17:03.15 | goron | stew: I am removing agpart support. |
| 17:03.19 | furrywolf | nydust: http? smtp? ping -f? how do you want us to see what's on it? nmap it? |
| 17:03.22 | EdibleText | nunez, you may need to source the marillat packages |
| 17:03.27 | doub | greycat: besides it being counter intuitive |
| 17:03.30 | nydust | furrt: http |
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| 17:03.37 | gErmX | I have a very old ibm thinkpad laptop which has only a serial com port and floppy doesnt work. I have inserted a 1.5gb hd, so I want to fill it up with a linux root system. My question is.. is this possible through com port? |
| 17:03.38 | goron | stew: How can I see the exact chipset of my IDE controller? |
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| 17:03.43 | goron | stew: I did lspci |
| 17:03.47 | furrywolf | ping -f is very good for checking if sites are up. :P |
| 17:03.50 | EdibleText | !marillat |
| 17:03.50 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 17:03.50 | greycat | doub: it's not counter-intuitive. there's already precedence in mkfs. |
| 17:03.56 | goron | stew: But I only see 0000:00:09.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE (rev a2) |
| 17:03.57 | greycat | dpkg: ext3->ext2 |
| 17:03.57 | dpkg | ext3->ext2 is, like, tune2fs -O ^has_journal, or edit /etc/fstab and change ext3 to ext2 |
| 17:04.07 | greycat | sorry, tune2fs |
| 17:04.14 | valdyn | gErmX: why dont you fill the disk in a "better" computer? |
| 17:04.32 | ethics | stew: modprobe ide-nvidia |
| 17:04.32 | simonrvn | debootstrap |
| 17:04.41 | nydust | furrywolf: i am local and it works, here but has to be sure it works outside too |
| 17:04.43 | ethics | i think thats the mod name |
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| 17:05.00 | goron | ethics: You mean me? |
| 17:05.09 | gErmX | valdyn: I dont have proper cables for that |
| 17:05.19 | greycat | dpkg, ext3->ext2 =~ s/or edit/and edit/ |
| 17:05.20 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 17:05.21 | ethics | goro yep that onversation hehe |
| 17:05.25 | furrywolf | germx: the adapter cables are about $1 on ebay... |
| 17:05.34 | furrywolf | what is on the hard drive now? |
| 17:05.38 | gErmX | nothing |
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| 17:05.44 | gErmX | I need to format it |
| 17:05.49 | goron | ethics: I don't think AMD and nVidia support is called that way. I am seeing the kernel option here before me. |
| 17:05.54 | greycat | gErmX: install an OS on it. |
| 17:05.55 | gErmX | somehow if its possible using a null modem cable? |
| 17:05.58 | goron | ethics: Or you mean some other option? |
| 17:06.11 | goron | ethics: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_AMD74XX |
| 17:06.15 | furrywolf | then you're going to have to fix the floppy or put the hard drive in another box. you have to at least have an OS on the drive to expect to even be able to talk to a serial port... |
| 17:06.26 | greycat | !rube goldberg install |
| 17:06.27 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 17:06.37 | ethics | goron it has a kernel module on the sarge installer i know because i had to find a sata driver that eorked for me and i was trolling in the modules directory |
| 17:06.39 | furrywolf | LOL |
| 17:06.46 | valdyn | gErmX: you need an os first on that disk, then you can transfer whatever via zmodem or kermit |
| 17:06.56 | gErmX | ok |
| 17:07.01 | stew | ethics: but is this driver set to Y and not M |
| 17:07.03 | goron | ethics: Do I need CONFIG_IDE also in my kernel? |
| 17:07.07 | furrywolf | even DOS and a copy of laplink will get the linux install onto it... |
| 17:07.08 | stew | goron: yes |
| 17:07.32 | jethro | goron: if you have to ask, you should use debian kernel images |
| 17:07.34 | simonrvn | kinda essential if your busses or cards are ide... |
| 17:07.34 | gErmX | I will try inserting a floppy drive in it .. maybe it will work.. I have a couple of floppy boot dists.. |
| 17:08.00 | furrywolf | germx: tomsrootboot is good for things like that |
| 17:08.02 | smhar | how to see what services are running |
| 17:08.05 | ethics | goron ahh i c...module irrelevant then and yes to config |
| 17:08.19 | gErmX | furrywolf: k I'll try it.. |
| 17:08.27 | valdyn | gErmX: theres quite a few nice terminal programs for dos ( procomm, terminus etc.. ), all supporting this. |
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| 17:08.42 | furrywolf | cat /dev/ttyS0 | tar -xvzf - comes to mind. :) |
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| 17:09.20 | valdyn | furrywolf: ive done that, but it was quite prone to errors back then |
| 17:09.24 | goron | stew: And CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK? |
| 17:09.41 | valdyn | furrywolf: w/ parity bit.. |
| 17:09.45 | furrywolf | I've never had a problem with serial errors... then again, I was usually using 9600 baud on hardware capable of much more. |
| 17:09.59 | goron | jethro: I don't think the nvidia kernels work that good. |
| 17:10.10 | ethics | 9600 leet wyse terminals rocked....... |
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| 17:10.29 | jethro | goron: what do you mean by that? |
| 17:10.32 | valdyn | furrywolf: yea, i did that on amiga which had a serial interface that could be freely tuned to whatever ( impossible ) speed ) |
| 17:10.58 | furrywolf | heh |
| 17:11.16 | furrywolf | most of the serial communication I've done is between PCs and MC68HC11 microcontrollers. :) |
| 17:11.51 | stew | goron: why aren't you using a debian kernel? |
| 17:11.58 | ethics | !wonders if theres any ansi porn archives |
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| 17:12.03 | valdyn | gErmX: even if you can use that serial interface of yours, it will be very very slow most likely.. |
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| 17:12.22 | furrywolf | ethics: I'm sure there are... I remember people uploading them to my BBS way back when... |
| 17:12.24 | valdyn | gErmX: so.. buying an interface cable for you disk might be worth it |
| 17:12.28 | gErmX | valdyn: I only need to tranfser like 200mb or something for a linux system |
| 17:12.39 | goron | jethro: I mean that I tried one of them, and the results were not satisfactionary(is this a valid word?). |
| 17:12.47 | furrywolf | 200mb is, like, 2-3 days. :P |
| 17:12.54 | simonrvn | satisfactory |
| 17:12.59 | gErmX | hehe really |
| 17:12.59 | valdyn | gErmX: thats going to take a while at 9600 baud |
| 17:13.10 | goron | stew: If I have agpart in the kernel, performance is bad. |
| 17:13.12 | gErmX | can I tranfser through the printer port? |
| 17:13.28 | furrywolf | yep. once you have linux installed, plip will do that... |
| 17:13.37 | valdyn | gErmX: depends on your serial interface speed really, might support higher speeds so it wouldnt be that bad |
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| 17:14.10 | gErmX | well its a really really old laptop |
| 17:14.13 | furrywolf | just spend the $1+shipping for the adapter cable, install linux on the drive from a more-functional box, then put it back in the laptop. |
| 17:14.14 | gErmX | one of the first models |
| 17:14.18 | gErmX | 22mhz |
| 17:14.25 | furrywolf | as long as it's a 386 or higher, it will work. :P |
| 17:14.33 | valdyn | gErmX: a really really old laptop wouldnt support a 1.5G harddisk |
| 17:14.34 | gErmX | ok |
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| 17:14.35 | ethics | laplinking would prolly work but the cable is wierd with twists |
| 17:14.44 | furrywolf | keep in mind that even Opera on a 386 is a little painful. (I know. I've tried...) |
| 17:14.52 | gErmX | valdyn: the bios recognizes the disk |
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| 17:15.16 | gErmX | but it might not work |
| 17:15.20 | furrywolf | my 386/40 can just barely browse the web with opera... |
| 17:15.20 | gErmX | I'll just have to find out |
| 17:15.29 | stew | goron: so why not just blacklist the agpgart module? |
| 17:15.33 | EmleyMoor | Turns out the annoyance I wanted to report has already been reported :-) |
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| 17:15.49 | iratsu | why does /dev/sda not appear when i plug in my ipod? |
| 17:15.52 | simonrvn | EmleyMoor: haha, someone got to it first ;p |
| 17:15.57 | goron | simonrvn: ty |
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| 17:16.06 | simonrvn | goron: np |
| 17:16.17 | goron | stew: Because I don't know how to do that? |
| 17:16.19 | simonrvn | iratsu: because |
| 17:16.26 | valdyn | iratsu: which tool of yours is supposed to handle your ipod? |
| 17:16.27 | goron | stew: Never heard of that option. |
| 17:16.29 | EdibleText | !why |
| 17:16.29 | dpkg | Because! |
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| 17:16.40 | stew | goron: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 17:16.45 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.48 | simonrvn | hotplug blacklisting |
| 17:16.48 | goron | crap |
| 17:16.57 | simonrvn | (discover too) |
| 17:17.05 | iratsu | valdyn: well i don't quite get your question... udev? |
| 17:17.27 | simonrvn | though it's pointless to blacklist it if you're loading it from /etc/modules* ;) |
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| 17:17.41 | stew | simonrvn: this of course is all covered by the blacklist factoid :) |
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| 17:17.58 | valdyn | iratsu: hal? |
| 17:17.59 | exerd | i get a mail everyday Cron <root@robin> test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily Whats that? |
| 17:18.04 | gErmX | furrywolf: can I hook the laptop to internet via serial cable? |
| 17:18.06 | goron | stew: Ok, did that once. I am not sure whether apgart is a module or a statically compiled in object. In the former case, you are right. |
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| 17:18.16 | stew | goron: its a module in debian kernels |
| 17:18.17 | gErmX | furrywolf: for instance from a computer that has broadband |
| 17:18.28 | goron | stew: ok |
| 17:18.29 | furrywolf | yep. slip |
| 17:18.31 | simonrvn | stew: so it is. danke |
| 17:18.36 | iratsu | valdyn: yes, most probably |
| 17:18.42 | valdyn | iratsu: hotplug finds it and inserts the module, do you have hotplug installed? |
| 17:18.45 | EmleyMoor | exerd: tasks done automatically on a daily basis |
| 17:18.47 | illsci | hahah i got it working!!!! |
| 17:18.50 | goron | stew: But still having you own custom kernel means faster booting. |
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| 17:18.53 | furrywolf | (serial line internet protocol) |
| 17:18.54 | illsci | expert26 and i removed some modules |
| 17:19.02 | stew | goron: how so? |
| 17:19.05 | goron | stew: Not that I care that much about that anymore. |
| 17:19.15 | goron | stew: Well, loading modules takes time. |
| 17:19.23 | illsci | now i just have to get it installed and get the onboard wifi to work |
| 17:19.25 | iratsu | valdyn: doesn't udev do the same thing? |
| 17:19.37 | illsci | the ipw2200 |
| 17:19.38 | EdibleText | gErmX, do you have pcmcia ? |
| 17:19.38 | exerd | EmleyMoor, tnx! It also contains this: /etc/cron.daily/man-db: mandb: varning: /usr/share/man/man1/btcompletedir.1.gz är en lös symbolisk länk. Is that normal? |
| 17:19.40 | stew | goron: but you are still using an initrd with your custom kernel |
| 17:19.53 | stew | nm, i don't care |
| 17:19.55 | iratsu | valdyn: the thing is, this worked fine until i recently did an apt-get upgrade |
| 17:20.00 | furrywolf | edibletext: probably not on a machine that old |
| 17:20.01 | valdyn | iratsu: no, but it depends on hotplug so i guess you have it.. |
| 17:20.18 | valdyn | iratsu: you could try /etc/init.d/hotplug restart |
| 17:20.23 | EmleyMoor | exerd: It's alerting you to something being a symbolic link - if you're sure nothing untoward is going on, I suppose it's OK |
| 17:20.26 | gErmX | EdibleText: the laptop has only two ports serial and printer and the floppy wasnt working so I'll try put another one.. |
| 17:20.30 | fortran01 | Is it possible to play a vcd by just running the .dat file using xine or totem? |
| 17:20.44 | illsci | ok well maybe not |
| 17:21.04 | ethics | fortran01: yep |
| 17:21.10 | furrywolf | fortran: dunno, but mplayer is probably most likely to be able to do it. |
| 17:21.17 | nydust | I have an static ip on my router and on for my server, everything works if i use dhcp, but if i use the static ip for my server, i dont get contact with det server |
| 17:21.21 | exerd | EmleyMoor, so i could delete those files= |
| 17:21.23 | EdibleText | gErmX, the most painless way you be to beg borrow or steal (or even purchase) a 2.5 ide adapter |
| 17:21.30 | fortran01 | ethics: how do you do that? |
| 17:21.45 | valdyn | fortran01: yes, you probably have to rename it to file.mpeg |
| 17:21.51 | EdibleText | gErmX, then do the install from another box |
| 17:22.04 | ethics | mplayer does it easier tho....change dat to Mpg....its mpg1 |
| 17:22.28 | ethics | mplayer doesnt look at extensions |
| 17:22.39 | iratsu | valdyn: no change |
| 17:22.50 | gErmX | EdibleText: yeah you're right. I'll try the new floppy then use toms boot disk and play around with that and see if it works. I dont have a serial cable though.. I'll try with a printer cable using the printer port. If slip supports this? |
| 17:22.57 | iratsu | valdyn: i see stuff in dmesg |
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| 17:23.04 | valdyn | iratsu: does your disk show on lsusb? |
| 17:23.17 | iratsu | valdyn: no |
| 17:23.20 | iratsu | valdyn: it's not USB |
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| 17:23.28 | furrywolf | slip only works on serial ports. |
| 17:23.33 | furrywolf | plip works on parallel ports |
| 17:23.39 | iratsu | valdyn: ieee1394 |
| 17:23.45 | furrywolf | just buy the friggin hard drive adapter cable? :P |
| 17:23.48 | gErmX | ohh plip ok |
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| 17:24.08 | gErmX | furrywolf: I like to play around.. that was the whole point off this laptop thingy :) |
| 17:24.14 | goron | stew: That didn't work. |
| 17:24.27 | Hackel | Ugh, anyone know a program to create cab files? |
| 17:24.33 | EdibleText | !cab |
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| 17:24.56 | goron | It loads the cramfs driver correctly. And then when it wants to mount the root fs, it panics. |
| 17:25.38 | EdibleText | Hackel, lcab - create cabinet (.cab) archives |
| 17:25.46 | EdibleText | !info lcab |
| 17:25.48 | goron | The "unknown-block(0,0)" part in the error message also seams pretty important. |
| 17:25.49 | dpkg | lcab: (create cabinet (.cab) archives), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.0b10-2 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 17:26.00 | furrywolf | germx: yes, but this is going from "playing around" to hardcore masochism. :P |
| 17:26.07 | Hackel | EdibleText: Thanks, I was one second too slow in finding that. |
| 17:26.10 | gErmX | hmm toms root boot is 1.7mb ? dont think it supports that |
| 17:26.11 | EdibleText | Hackel, learn apt-cache search |
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| 17:26.25 | Hackel | EdibleText: yes, yes I know. :-P I was just impatient at having to use such a thing. |
| 17:26.33 | EdibleText | heh |
| 17:26.45 | gErmX | heh lol |
| 17:27.11 | ethics | heh lol giggle |
| 17:27.23 | goron | How can I see what chipset I have? |
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| 17:27.28 | furrywolf | heh lol giggle roflmao |
| 17:27.31 | goron | (beside lspci) |
| 17:27.50 | furrywolf | goron: read the chip on the motherboard? |
| 17:27.53 | ethics | mb manual is good |
| 17:27.53 | stew | goron: you are getting that error with a debian kernel? |
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| 17:28.08 | lilo78 | Somebody of Japan uses linux? |
| 17:28.09 | ethics | or mb manufacturers website |
| 17:28.12 | iratsu | valdyn: any ideas? |
| 17:28.17 | EdibleText | lilo78, yes |
| 17:28.28 | ethics | !hwdetect |
| 17:28.31 | goron | stew: I get the error with the config of a debian kernel with a few things removed. |
| 17:28.43 | lilo78 | Who? |
| 17:28.45 | goron | stew: No FS related stuff was removed. |
| 17:29.00 | lilo78 | EdibleText: Who? |
| 17:29.02 | ethics | hmm what was that fact trigger> |
| 17:29.06 | valdyn | iratsu: i dont know the equivalent to lsusb for fireware, use it though |
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| 17:29.19 | EdibleText | lilo78, somebody does. I would bet my RAM on it. |
| 17:29.27 | stew | goron: why aren't you using a debian kernel? |
| 17:29.38 | lilo78 | Queria to know if in they japan works in linux |
| 17:30.09 | EdibleText | !turbo linux |
| 17:30.09 | dpkg | hmm... turbo linux is sponsored by MS SCO and D.H Brown |
| 17:30.10 | valdyn | iratsu: gscanbus i guess |
| 17:31.05 | lilo78 | No. Japones uses linux for that reason I want to know if there are companies work. |
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| 17:31.33 | goron | stew:Because it's slower, because it's generic. |
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| 17:31.49 | lilo78 | EdibleText: No. Japones uses linux for that reason I want to know if there are companies work. |
| 17:31.56 | iratsu | valdyn: couldn't get handle: No such file or directory |
| 17:32.02 | goron | stew: I once had a .config file that worked, but I lost it. |
| 17:32.02 | iratsu | valdyn: This probably means that you don't have raw1394 support in the kernel or that |
| 17:32.03 | iratsu | you haven't loaded the raw1394 module. |
| 17:32.31 | valdyn | iratsu: is this a custom kernel? |
| 17:32.43 | iratsu | valdyn: no |
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| 17:32.50 | lilo78 | It seems in japan this developing one of linux. |
| 17:32.52 | stew | goron: a debian kenrel won't be noticably slower |
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| 17:33.03 | stew | goron: forget it |
| 17:33.08 | iratsu | valdyn: i just did modprobe raw1394, and it didn't do anything |
| 17:33.26 | valdyn | iratsu: you did that in an X terminal? |
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| 17:33.31 | stew | i have to try to remember not to talk people out of doing dumb things they have made their mind up that they want to do |
| 17:33.32 | iratsu | valdyn: yes |
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| 17:33.46 | valdyn | iratsu: check dmesg to see if it did anything |
| 17:33.54 | furrywolf | stew: I haven't noticed too much of an operating speed difference... but definitely debian kernels take twice as long to boot. mostly the 20 screenfulls of "<foo> not found", etc errors... |
| 17:33.55 | iratsu | valdyn: ieee1394: raw1394: /dev/raw1394 device initialized |
| 17:34.03 | valdyn | iratsu: your X terminal wont show what a console terminal would |
| 17:34.05 | lilo78 | Is ningun no japones...? |
| 17:34.12 | EdibleText | !google japan linux |
| 17:34.13 | lanchow | Results for japan linux on Google: |
| 17:34.14 | lanchow | http://www.<b>linux</b>.or.jp/ |
| 17:34.14 | and | Results for japan linux on Google: |
| 17:34.14 | and | http://www.linux.or.jp/ |
| 17:34.14 | and | http://www.linux.or.jp/softwarereview/SR4.html |
| 17:34.14 | and | http://japan.linux.com/ |
| 17:34.14 | and | -- |
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| 17:34.20 | dpkg | Google says japan linux is at http://www.linux.or.jp/ or http://japan.linux.com/ or http://japan.linux.com/opensource/03/09/29/0955208.shtml or http://japan.linux.com/security/05/01/25/0522233.shtml or http://japan.linux.com/opensource/03/05/23/0511210.shtml |
| 17:34.21 | lindi- | furrywolf: what kernel did you try? |
| 17:34.24 | xlizee | Hello, anyone knows how to boot floppy image from GRUB? (not using initrd & kernel files, just faw floppy image)? |
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| 17:34.37 | valdyn | iratsu: gscanbus? |
| 17:34.41 | furrywolf | lindi: debian's 2.6.8.1 |
| 17:34.49 | iratsu | valdyn: same error |
| 17:34.59 | lindi- | furrywolf: kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386? |
| 17:35.01 | goron | stew: I don't have generic IDE support in my kernel. Could that be a problem? |
| 17:35.03 | lilo78 | dpkg: Tanhk!! |
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| 17:35.09 | xlizee | image starts with x86 boot sectors and what I'd like to do is to 'fool' GRUB to boot from floppy image just as if I was booting from real floppy drive. |
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| 17:35.40 | furrywolf | sounds about right. was a bit ago. I just compiled the latest kernel.org kernel with just what the box actually had, and no more errors. :P |
| 17:35.40 | valdyn | iratsu: fireware hardware driver module is loaded? ( i cant tell you names.. i never use(d) ieee1394 |
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| 17:36.03 | shizz | how do I download new themes for kde? |
| 17:36.11 | shizz | or a new environment? |
| 17:36.50 | EmleyMoor | If I want to put grub on my system instead of lilo (which has been there since it was built), other than installing grub and deinstalling lilo, is there anything I need to do? |
| 17:37.36 | valdyn | iratsu: probably its ieee1394 |
| 17:37.50 | iratsu | valdyn: yea it's loaded |
| 17:38.09 | faw | xlizee, use raw image not faw images... :) |
| 17:38.16 | valdyn | !ieee1394 |
| 17:38.16 | dpkg | it has been said that ieee1394 is see 'firewire' |
| 17:38.19 | valdyn | !firewire |
| 17:38.20 | dpkg | somebody said firewire was An up and coming serial technology that promises to speed data at 200 => 400 Mbps. This standard may eventually replace your serial ports, parallel ports, game ports, USB and maybe even SCSI. limited very much by the fact that it can only handle 63 devices per bus as apposed to USB's 128 per bus, or "FireWire" a registered trademark of Apple. see 1394b, or check out http://www.linux1394.org/ |
| 17:38.30 | stouset | Firewire is up and coming? |
| 17:38.34 | stouset | When was that written, 1943? |
| 17:38.46 | furrywolf | lol |
| 17:38.46 | dondelelcaro | !factinfo firewire |
| 17:38.47 | dpkg | firewire -- last modified at Thu Nov 1 02:16:35 2001 by lup!lup@ptlddslgw6poolC230.ptld.uswest.net; it has been requested 32 times, last by valdyn, 27s ago. |
| 17:38.48 | EdibleText | stouset, thats was my reaction |
| 17:39.04 | dondelelcaro | that's about right for 2001/2000 |
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| 17:39.10 | xlizee | faw: sorry about that :) |
| 17:39.19 | EdibleText | its a historical record |
| 17:39.32 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* so make the factoid better. |
| 17:39.59 | faw | xlizee, no problem ;) |
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| 17:40.38 | b1ade | well,can somebody tells me where to buy a ieee-1394 flashkey? |
| 17:40.53 | daxal | earth? |
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| 17:41.08 | b1ade | it's not to say ... |
| 17:41.09 | EdibleText | daxal, yes you have arrived. |
| 17:41.14 | EdibleText | daxal, welcome |
| 17:42.13 | daxal | EdibleText: sweet. I was accused of being an earthling, so I decided to move here. |
| 17:42.36 | furrywolf | if an alien landed in san francisco, would it say "take me to your leather"? |
| 17:42.42 | furrywolf | bbl, need to have a life now. :) |
| 17:42.48 | EmleyMoor | How do I make an initial install of grub having installed it from the package? |
| 17:42.48 | EdibleText | heh |
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| 17:43.24 | ethics | dexal youll never get away with it.....the cylons wont either........ |
| 17:43.56 | EdibleText | daxal, I dont blame you. the mooninites are jerks. |
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| 17:44.11 | TheDuck | unstable's dependecies work out great right now |
| 17:44.11 | furrywolf | and relation to moonies? |
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| 17:44.18 | directhex | dpkg, no, firewire is Apple's name for the connection also known as Sony i.Link and IEEE1394. A fast 400Mbit/sec (or 800mbit/sec) connection, designed for transferring large data streams. Also suitable for network connections. See http://www.linux1394.org/ |
| 17:44.18 | dpkg | okay, directhex |
| 17:44.18 | qwertz_ | Hi! Is there any other way to access an exchange server than evolution? evo isn't really reliable in this combination |
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| 17:44.42 | tarzeau | qwertz_: no |
| 17:45.12 | TheDuck | apt vomits dependency errors for almost every package I am trying to install |
| 17:45.25 | furrywolf | theduck: unstable is... unstable? :P |
| 17:45.32 | jim | TheDuck: why? |
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| 17:45.38 | TheDuck | I have never seen it so unstable |
| 17:45.40 | tarzeau | TheDuck: how did you screw it up? |
| 17:45.42 | javi_ | hi people!, I'm having a problem with a ext-3 partition, I'd like can write to it with my users, but only root can write on it |
| 17:45.46 | tarzeau | TheDuck: you've raped it! |
| 17:45.53 | TheDuck | no, this is after a clean install |
| 17:45.56 | jim | DuckRap! |
| 17:45.59 | ethics | qwertz_: imap....owa....outlook.... |
| 17:45.59 | bobbens | TheDuck: i just did an apt-get dist-upgrade from testing to unstable and i've had no problems |
| 17:45.59 | jim | e |
| 17:46.04 | tarzeau | TheDuck: unofficial packages? |
| 17:46.04 | javi_ | with a user normal, I can mount, but don't write to it |
| 17:46.06 | b1ade | f |
| 17:46.21 | tarzeau | TheDuck: stable? testing? sid? |
| 17:46.21 | TheDuck | don't accuse me in computer molesting |
| 17:46.24 | TheDuck | unstable. sid |
| 17:46.29 | jim | DuckRapef?! |
| 17:46.29 | EdibleText | mole sting |
| 17:46.33 | javi_ | my etc/fstab : /dev/hdc1 /home/javi/freebsd auto noauto,user,exec,r |
| 17:46.36 | tarzeau | TheDuck: which package? |
| 17:46.44 | TheDuck | gnome for example :P |
| 17:46.46 | tarzeau | TheDuck: can you try apt-get install links2 supertux gnustep ? |
| 17:46.56 | TheDuck | and that whiptale crap |
| 17:46.57 | tarzeau | TheDuck: you must be kidding |
| 17:47.01 | javi_ | could you help me ? |
| 17:47.11 | tarzeau | it is fact that kde and gnome metapackages not in stable are broken, ALWAYS! |
| 17:47.12 | bobbens | javi_ what file system is it? |
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| 17:47.41 | javi_ | pinocho:/home/javi# fdisk -l /dev/hdc | grep hdc1 |
| 17:47.41 | javi_ | /dev/hdc1 1 19842 10000336+ 83 Linux |
| 17:47.47 | IDC | Does anyone know after you enabled full-screen mode in ssh client,how do you disable it ? |
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| 17:48.01 | javi_ | root can mount and write to it ok |
| 17:48.08 | qwertz_ | ethics, does this work with the default settings of an exchange server or is it necessary to enable IMAP? |
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| 17:48.24 | bobbens | javi_ how do you mount it? /mnt/hdc1 /home/javi/freebsd |
| 17:48.30 | daxal | blade: http://royalbusiness.com/product_info.php/products_id/148904/scs/1 |
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| 17:48.45 | bobbens | i mean mount /dev/hdc1 /home/javi/freebsd |
| 17:49.19 | javi_ | javi@pinocho:~$ pwd |
| 17:49.20 | javi_ | /home/javi |
| 17:49.20 | javi_ | javi@pinocho:~$ mount freebsd/ |
| 17:49.20 | javi_ | javi@pinocho:~$ touch freebsd/a |
| 17:49.20 | javi_ | touch: no se puede efectuar `touch' sobre «freebsd/a»: Permiso denegado |
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| 17:49.34 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 17:49.48 | TheDuck | damnit |
| 17:49.59 | TheDuck | "no usable dialog-like program is installed" |
| 17:50.22 | TheDuck | I googled for it, found out that a package called "whiptale" would fix this |
| 17:50.33 | TheDuck | and I'm unable to apt-get it :P |
| 17:50.34 | EdibleText | TheDuck, dialog also |
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| 17:50.50 | EdibleText | !dialog |
| 17:50.54 | TheDuck | dialog is installed |
| 17:51.03 | scotth | I'm wondering if there is a better way that calling invoke-rc.d from the maintainer script to restart services at the end of the install? |
| 17:51.05 | javi_ | javi@pinocho:~$ ls -ld freebsd/ |
| 17:51.05 | javi_ | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2005-05-13 19:43 freebsd/ |
| 17:51.05 | javi_ | javi@pinocho:~$ umount freebsd/ |
| 17:51.05 | javi_ | javi@pinocho:~$ ls -ld freebsd/ |
| 17:51.05 | javi_ | drwxr-xr-x 2 javi javi 4096 2005-05-13 19:43 freebsd |
| 17:51.06 | greycat | TheDuck: it's called "whiptail". |
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| 17:51.08 | greycat | not "whiptale". |
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| 17:51.26 | greycat | javi is a disgrace to freebsd's name. |
| 17:51.33 | bobbens | never learns |
| 17:51.34 | TheDuck | yeah, I noticed it two seconds after typing it |
| 17:51.44 | EdibleText | I imagine that dialog is the most dialog-like |
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| 17:53.07 | ethics | qwertz_: need to enable...not hard,,,google it |
| 17:53.19 | null | I'm in trouble trying to install sarge in a sata_sis raid0 disk set? Is there anyone with some experience with this? |
| 17:53.33 | TheDuck | okay, I checked it now and dialog was indeed not installed :P |
| 17:53.46 | ethics | null |
| 17:53.55 | ethics | just ask ... |
| 17:53.56 | daxal | TheDuck: were you expecting a dialog to display that? ;) hehe |
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| 17:54.18 | nydust | how do see what services are running? |
| 17:54.24 | greycat | nydust: man ps |
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| 17:54.29 | nydust | ;) |
| 17:54.40 | TheDuck | no, I somehow thought I had already installed it... |
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| 17:55.23 | ethics | so in fact sid was correct 8) |
| 17:55.26 | goron | stew: Ok, it still doesn't work. Now, I am prepared to follow your advice. What kernel-image do you recommend that has AGPART disabled(or can be by changing the discover conf file)? |
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| 17:55.50 | null | ethics, Thx. The d-i finishes the installation but neither lilo or grub can boot up the system... |
| 17:56.12 | ethics | goron /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 17:56.45 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.23 | ethics | goron: there are nvidia debiab instructions you nay have missed |
| 17:57.31 | IDC | can't believe it,i am using putty for windows,checking its RAM usage -> 64,268K :( |
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| 17:57.48 | TheDuck | smart fella that dpkg |
| 17:57.52 | goron | ethics: I have been there before. Will do it this time. |
| 17:58.44 | lanchow | i don't understand why my desktop is larger than my screen, i think i have to edit XF86Config-4, but what ? could anyone give me a hand please ? |
| 17:59.15 | greycat | lanchow: #xfree86 would be the right place. |
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| 17:59.32 | greycat | I don't see what's so friggin' hard about editing it to remove whatever Virtual line you added, though. |
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| 18:00.00 | greycat | (or if you used ctrl-alt-numpad_plus to shift resolutions.... well THAT'S WHY!) |
| 18:00.27 | tictac_ | is there a reason why XF86Config-4 wont be read? |
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| 18:00.48 | N-0-X | Hello. |
| 18:00.50 | lanchow | i just installed an ati driver, gonna try |
| 18:00.52 | lanchow | thank you |
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| 18:00.59 | tictac_ | ive edited my resoltion to 1400x1050 in all modes, yet it still goes to 1024x768 |
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| 18:01.39 | ryan- | crap |
| 18:01.40 | lef_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:02.14 | N-0-X | I have a qustion: i'm trying to install php4 for about 2days now, and I thing I finally found the error: I need the package called libmm11 and "it is not installable" [dixit apt-get install]! :@ How can I fix that problem? is it due to my kernel version (2.2.x)? Thx. |
| 18:02.15 | lef_ | I have read /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian |
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| 18:03.27 | Bac9 | N-0-X: php4 is installable in woody with all the dependencies there, I am assuming you're doing apt-get install php4 |
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| 18:03.38 | tictac_ | it seems as if startx isnt reading my XF86Config-4 at all |
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| 18:04.19 | N-0-X | Bac9: no, i'm not doing install php4 because it's already installed. But the problem is that I can't install that package, and without it, apache can't execute php. |
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| 18:04.39 | phogg | tictac_: if X decides it can't do a resolution, it moves one down |
| 18:04.56 | EdibleText | tictac_,the logs will tell you which config file its using |
| 18:05.08 | Bac9 | N-0-X: "i'm not doing install php4 because it's already installed" and "I can't install that package" does not compute |
| 18:05.13 | EdibleText | tictac_, (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Wed Apr 13 10:08:19 2005 |
| 18:05.14 | EdibleText | (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" |
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| 18:06.00 | tictac_ | phogg: the lcd is rated to run at 1400x1050 |
| 18:06.22 | tictac_ | it has ran at that resolution before in linux |
| 18:06.32 | phogg | tictac_: try removing all other resolutions from your X config and see what errors happen |
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| 18:06.48 | tictac_ | phogg: i have. |
| 18:06.50 | valdyn | tictac: do you have a suitable modeline in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 18:07.05 | phogg | tictac_: and what does your log file say? |
| 18:07.07 | N-0-X | Bac9: well... php IS installed, but there is no file called mod_php.c (nor mod_php4.c) nor libphp.so (nor libphp4.so) with are the files that enables the php on an apache server. |
| 18:07.19 | phogg | tictac_: also, try specifying the config file on the command line |
| 18:07.44 | tictac_ | valdyn: i dont have any modlines in my config |
| 18:07.49 | Bac9 | N-0-X: all I can say is php4 works out of the box here, try reinstalling or reconfiguring it |
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| 18:08.26 | abrotman | N-0-X: did you install libapache-mod-php4 ? |
| 18:08.30 | Bac9 | N-0-X: /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so for me |
| 18:08.30 | Bombo | hi, i have a problem with tasksel, when i start it there are only two options "mail-server" or "manual" where are the other options? like "desktop environment" |
| 18:08.31 | N-0-X | Bac9: do you suggest me the to apt-get --purge remove php4, then apt-get install php4 |
| 18:08.39 | Bombo | or "web server" |
| 18:08.43 | N-0-X | let me check ;) |
| 18:08.43 | TheDuck | dum di dum |
| 18:08.50 | EdibleText | tictac_, I use this for my old clevo ModeLine "1400x1050" 120.0 1400 1518 1635 1752 1050 1055 1063 1094 - |
| 18:08.54 | EdibleText | hsync -vsync |
| 18:09.01 | valdyn | Bombo: scroll down? |
| 18:09.01 | abrotman | Bombo: you probably need to apt-get update .. and possibly apt-setup before that |
| 18:09.12 | Bac9 | N-0-X: just as the line in httpd.conf says:LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 18:09.32 | EdibleText | tictac_, under 'Section "Monitor"' |
| 18:09.39 | abrotman | N-0-X: do you nhave the libapache-mod-php4 installed or not ? |
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| 18:10.02 | Bac9 | N-0-X: maybe you're using apache2, in which case I do not know |
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| 18:10.14 | abrotman | ok .. fine .. don't answer me |
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| 18:10.40 | abrotman | Bac9: i don't think he installed libapache-mod-php4 or libapache2-mod-php4 .. whichever is appropriate |
| 18:10.48 | Bac9 | abrotman: there is no libapache-mod-php4 on woody |
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| 18:10.57 | Bombo | valdyn: no |
| 18:10.58 | greycat | why would anyone use apache2? |
| 18:11.03 | Bombo | abrotman: ok i'll try that |
| 18:11.04 | abrotman | Bac9: might be just libapache-mod-php |
| 18:11.06 | tictac_ | maybe i need to change my refresh rates |
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| 18:11.16 | Bac9 | abrotman: there is no libapache-mod-p* on woody |
| 18:11.22 | abrotman | hrm .. is he on woody? |
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| 18:11.32 | abrotman | since i missed the first part while stuffing my face :) |
| 18:11.38 | Bac9 | abrotman: there is no libapache-mod-ph* on woody (there is a python one) |
| 18:11.46 | N-0-X | abrotman, Bac9: The error occurs when i try to install libapache-mod-php4. And I tryed with apache2 wednesday, but I had the same problem, so I removed apache2 (but I didn't use the purge options). |
| 18:12.07 | abrotman | N-0-X: which version of debian ? |
| 18:12.08 | Bac9 | N-0-X: are you on woody or sarge? |
| 18:12.13 | abrotman | or sid |
| 18:12.26 | Bac9 | or experimental |
| 18:12.26 | priest | someone who know if firefox will be patched soon against the last exploits? |
| 18:12.28 | EdibleText | tictac_, google 'your model laptop' XFConfig-4 |
| 18:12.42 | abrotman | priest: in sarge ? |
| 18:12.52 | priest | abrotman: yes |
| 18:13.07 | abrotman | priest: dunno .. they said security updates were working for sarge .. but i haven't seen any yet |
| 18:13.17 | abrotman | !sarge security issues |
| 18:13.17 | dpkg | somebody said testing security issues was http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
| 18:13.30 | valdyn | !info mozilla-firefox sid |
| 18:13.34 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24368 kB |
| 18:13.41 | N-0-X | abrotman, Bac9: i'm using an 'old' woody (my kernel is 2.2.x, but i'm thinking of updating to a 2.4.x), but i changed the sources file to be in testing. |
| 18:13.55 | greycat | !bobbitt |
| 18:13.55 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. |
| 18:13.56 | abrotman | N-0-X: you realize that doesn't make sense ? |
| 18:14.14 | valdyn | N-0-X: /msg dpkg woody->sarge, dont just change your sources like that |
| 18:14.23 | N-0-X | abrotman: no, actually, i don't. Why? |
| 18:14.24 | Bac9 | N-0-X: so you're running a mix of woody/sarge without doing `apt-get update`? |
| 18:14.36 | Bac9 | N-0-X: kernel version has little to do with web server |
| 18:14.47 | N-0-X | I did to the aptg-et upgrade & update, & dist-upgrade ;) |
| 18:14.52 | abrotman | N-0-X: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 18:15.07 | Bac9 | N-0-X: so you're running sarge? |
| 18:15.10 | abrotman | then install whatever apache/php4 you want |
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| 18:15.18 | N-0-X | Bac9: yes (i guess so :p) |
| 18:15.20 | Bac9 | abrotman: you help N-0-X I haven't run apache under sarge |
| 18:15.33 | abrotman | N-0-X: do you want apache or apache2 ? |
| 18:15.35 | N-0-X | [i'm not actually used to debian, I'm used to linux though...@ |
| 18:15.37 | N-0-X | ] |
| 18:15.51 | N-0-X | abrotman: either one, as long as it works :p lol |
| 18:16.02 | abrotman | N-0-X: which one .. don't let me choose for you |
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| 18:16.42 | N-0-X | abrotman: i'll choose apache 1.3.33 [because i have it already installed ;) ] |
| 18:17.08 | abrotman | N-0-X: apt-get install apache libapache-mod-php4 ... should be all you need |
| 18:17.20 | abrotman | aw hell .. probably just apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 will do it |
| 18:17.23 | N-0-X | ok, i'll try that then ;) |
| 18:17.34 | abrotman | !info libapache-mod-php4 sarge |
| 18:17.37 | stew | N-0-X: you might want php4-mysql as well |
| 18:17.38 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 1576 kB, Installed size: 3092 kB |
| 18:17.46 | abrotman | stew: does he need mysql support ? |
| 18:18.04 | stew | who knows, many people that want to run php4 do |
| 18:18.13 | abrotman | postgresql .. all .. the .. way :) |
| 18:18.27 | stew | abrotman: and suggesting random packages to people here is more fun then my current work task :) |
| 18:18.31 | jharrisonwk | HEY! |
| 18:18.46 | mau | hi all how can i reconfigure an usb keyboard |
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| 18:18.49 | abrotman | stew: making porn movies is boring ? |
| 18:18.49 | jharrisonwk | anyone know of a linux compatible usb print server? |
| 18:18.56 | abrotman | linuxprinting.org |
| 18:19.24 | N-0-X | abrotman: I still have the same error: "libapache-mod-php4: Depends: libmm11 but it is not installable" |
| 18:19.25 | ircdevil | grrr - i am pretty sure the debian installer said years back the the / partionen should be 5-10 mb. now during upgrade it is full and upgrade stops. shite |
| 18:19.26 | furrywolf | porn is boring. :P |
| 18:19.32 | Bac9 | abrotman: let N-0-X install apache and php4, php4 is a meta package that depends on libapache-mod-php4 but is easier to understand |
| 18:19.46 | abrotman | N-0-X: are you in #flood ? |
| 18:19.49 | furrywolf | ircdevil: that's /boot you're thinking of... |
| 18:19.50 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: where is the print servers on this page? |
| 18:19.54 | stew | abrotman: yeah they keep asking me to perform the same scene over and over again |
| 18:19.55 | oigres | I've got a wav file and I have to make it an mp2. I'm using "sox" to do this. Problem is that file.wav is > 2GB and sox doesn't seem to cope with it. Are there still problems with files > 2Gigs? |
| 18:19.59 | ircdevil | furrywolf: both /boot and / |
| 18:20.04 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: whoops .. my bad ... |
| 18:20.12 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yeah thats right you are bad |
| 18:20.13 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: i thought oyu said printer :) |
| 18:20.20 | lindi- | oigres: should be trivial to fix |
| 18:20.37 | oigres | lindi-: How does that go? |
| 18:20.47 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: usb print server |
| 18:20.51 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: linux compatible |
| 18:20.55 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: do you know of any? |
| 18:20.58 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: sorry .. none i'm aware of |
| 18:21.00 | lindi- | oigres: is that sarge? |
| 18:21.00 | N-0-X | Bac9: apache and php4 are already installed, I 'even' configured the httpd.conf file. So everything should work correctly, but the problem is that libapache-mod-php4 can't be installed, so I don't have the file libphp4.so which makes the php scripts executable... |
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| 18:21.05 | Bac9 | N-0-X: libapache-mod-php4 does not have a "libmm11" as a dependency |
| 18:21.07 | furrywolf | some formats have internal limitations... don't know about wav though. avi, for example, can't do large files... |
| 18:21.10 | oigres | lindi-: Yeap, it's sarge! |
| 18:21.13 | abrotman | N-0-X: please enter #flood and paste your sources |
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| 18:21.59 | Bac9 | N-0-X: if php4 is installed then libapache-mod-php4 is also installed as the latter is a dependency of the former |
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| 18:22.21 | abrotman | Bac9: something is messed .. libapache-mod-php4 shouldn't depend on a libmm11 that is in woody :) |
| 18:22.35 | Bac9 | abrotman: sounds like he didn't do an update |
| 18:22.44 | Bac9 | abrotman: or an upgrade of apache/php4 |
| 18:22.47 | abrotman | i have no idea .. that's why i'm getting him to paste his sources |
| 18:22.50 | Splur | Firefox question. Is anyone working on a version of the adblock plugin where It automatically blocks ads, perhaps based on some central adblock database? Is there some public proxy server that will get rid of ads? |
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| 18:23.14 | Bac9 | abrotman: since in sarge libapache-mod-php4 does not have "libmm11" as a dependency |
| 18:23.22 | greycat | Splur: ask a firefox channel |
| 18:23.27 | TheDuck | why are we still stuck with gnome 2.6, that I do not understand... |
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| 18:23.52 | greycat | huh? |
| 18:24.02 | furrywolf | theduck: I don't understand why gnome exists, so... :P |
| 18:24.15 | Bac9 | N-0-X: are you sure you did `apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade` in that order? |
| 18:24.15 | abrotman | Bac9: he has dotdeb sources .... |
| 18:24.19 | greycat | who's "stuck" with gnome 2.6? |
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| 18:24.28 | TheDuck | I am |
| 18:24.30 | Bac9 | abrotman: I haven't a clue what dotdeb is |
| 18:24.33 | abrotman | TheDuck: gnome2.6 isn't in any version of debian |
| 18:24.37 | Bac9 | abrotman: hope you can help him |
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| 18:24.49 | TheDuck | it seems to be in mine :P |
| 18:24.51 | sobersabre | guys. where can i discuss skype stuff ? ( except skype.com ) ? |
| 18:24.54 | jshoenberger | I've got a Debian box that has ifconfig'd properly and the route set, but every time I reboot the machine it reverts to an old IP address. What am I missing? |
| 18:25.04 | jethro | sobersabre: try #voip |
| 18:25.07 | abrotman | TheDuck: dist-upgrade |
| 18:25.13 | Bac9 | abrotman: directing him to one of the official source mirrors might help |
| 18:25.17 | sobersabre | thanks jethro |
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| 18:25.38 | TheDuck | I have been using unstable for a year or so |
| 18:25.39 | amped | anybody know something about SMS-SMTP ? |
| 18:25.39 | N-0-X | Bac9: yes i'm sure ;). In the #flood chan, i've been told to change a bit my sources.list file ;) |
| 18:25.42 | Bac9 | jshoenberger: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:25.45 | oigres | lindi-: so...got something? |
| 18:26.06 | jshoenberger | Bac9, thank you |
| 18:26.12 | Bac9 | N-0-X: well it sounds like your sources are your problem so listen to abrotman |
| 18:26.18 | greycat | why on earth would anyone think ifconfig(8) is *persistent*? |
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| 18:26.33 | sobersabre | amped, what is your question ? |
| 18:26.36 | offroadgeek | anyone know which pci wifi cards work best with debian? |
| 18:26.40 | Bac9 | greycat: someone who didn't know better |
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| 18:27.02 | abigail | hi, can anyone tell me how to export my public and private key from GPG? i tried gpg --export but that only gives me one key. |
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| 18:27.05 | sobersabre | offroadgeek, prism based... i have a builtin ipw2200 it also works well |
| 18:27.08 | greycat | but why would you assume that? |
| 18:27.16 | offroadgeek | sobersabre: thanks |
| 18:27.30 | lindi- | oigres: i'll check the source |
| 18:27.34 | amped | sobersabre, ever sent something from email to sms? |
| 18:27.35 | N-0-X | lol, ok, Bac9 |
| 18:27.36 | sobersabre | offroadgeek, you can browse linux kernel |
| 18:27.37 | N-0-X | ;) |
| 18:27.45 | oigres | lindi-: OK |
| 18:27.47 | greycat | is there some *other* OS out there where one command changes both the current and the permanent setting of something as important as your IP address? I sure don't know any. |
| 18:27.54 | sobersabre | and look for drivers in there. if there's a driver, it should work :) |
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| 18:28.09 | Bac9 | greycat: it could be hacked together to save state |
| 18:28.10 | greycat | oh wait.... there's something called "Windows" now, isn't there...? |
| 18:28.18 | greycat | that must be it. |
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| 18:28.36 | Bac9 | greycat: kinda like an ifconfig direct manipulation of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:28.41 | greycat | I'll never understand people who learned Windows first. They're like fucking aliens. |
| 18:28.49 | sobersabre | amped, what is your question?!!! |
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| 18:28.52 | jethro | greycat: I don't think ipconfig on windows has permanent effects. using the gui does, though |
| 18:28.59 | oigres | greycat: I agree with that last statement! |
| 18:29.00 | Bac9 | greycat: quite a lot of people came from the ms worls |
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| 18:29.02 | Bac9 | greycat: quite a lot of people came from the ms world |
| 18:29.07 | greycat | jethro: right. that's what I was thinking of, after I thought of Windows at all. |
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| 18:29.20 | greycat | Bac9: the world weeps. |
| 18:29.23 | jethro | I ll reboot and double check that |
| 18:29.25 | jethro | heh |
| 18:29.25 | stew | jethro: the "net" command might be able to though that one is pretty far reaching iirc |
| 18:29.31 | amped | sobersabre, well that was my question. how is it done? |
| 18:29.44 | Bac9 | greycat: if you weep for that you'll not have any tears left for the other stuff, much worse stuff |
| 18:29.51 | jethro | stew: can you set an IP with net commands? |
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| 18:29.59 | sobersabre | amped, with perl/direct telnetting or writing your own custom client. |
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| 18:30.05 | stew | jethro: no idea |
| 18:30.09 | sobersabre | did you hire an sms gateway ? |
| 18:30.16 | stew | jethro: just guessing |
| 18:30.18 | TwistedEmotions | What is a good picture viewing program for debian? |
| 18:30.19 | jethro | stew: ha |
| 18:30.28 | Bac9 | greycat: if you ever feel like weeping read through this http://www.techtales.com/techroom.html |
| 18:30.37 | sobersabre | amped, you can use sendsms script as a base, and hack it a little bit for your own needs. |
| 18:30.38 | TwistedEmotions | or XFCE4 in this case.. |
| 18:30.44 | greycat | in any case, NOTHING in Unix has both a temporary and a permanent effect. If you want to change something *now* and also change it for the *next* boot/login/what-have-you, you must issue a command *and* edit a file. |
| 18:30.46 | Bac9 | TwistedEmotions: too many to list, pick one you like |
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| 18:31.03 | TwistedEmotions | bac9: Wana tell me your favorite? |
| 18:31.08 | amped | sobersabre, oh do i have to? i found a list: http://www.avtech.com/Support/Email/Email_A.htm |
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| 18:31.18 | oigres | TwistedEmotions: imagemagick |
| 18:31.19 | si|vercat | whats this? this audio-cd has like 10 tracks at 10 secs each and the last 2 tracks are like 20 mins |
| 18:31.23 | TheDuck | ok, when did gnome 2.8 come available for debian? |
| 18:31.23 | greycat | (and if anyone tells me "KDE blah blah" or "GNOME blah blah", I'll point and laugh) |
| 18:31.39 | TwistedEmotions | oigres: thanks. |
| 18:31.48 | amped | sobersabre, but sending something to phone@provider.com doesn't work |
| 18:31.50 | Bac9 | TwistedEmotions: depends for what, display, qiv is nice for fast lookups, xzgv and gqview give you more structure, but that's just a few |
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| 18:32.15 | stew | greycat: GNOME blah blah |
| 18:32.18 | TwistedEmotions | Bac9: Thanks.. |
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| 18:32.51 | furrywolf | lol |
| 18:32.52 | TheDuck | you have an unusually disturbing nickname, mr furry |
| 18:32.56 | Bac9 | furrywolf: must be all the oil :-) |
| 18:32.58 | ircdevil | !kitty porn |
| 18:33.06 | joris_ | I need some network advice: I have a host with two nics, each connected to a router. Both routers are capable of routing the traffic. What's the least-effort way to make the host switch routers when one of the routers fails? |
| 18:33.09 | furrywolf | theduck: and why's that? |
| 18:33.10 | sobersabre | amped, do you have an SMS enabled mobile phone ? |
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| 18:33.33 | TheDuck | !google furry wolf |
| 18:33.34 | lanchow | Results for furry wolf on Google: |
| 18:33.34 | lanchow | http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/art/c/o/corourke2/<b>wolf</b>.jpg.html |
| 18:33.40 | dpkg | Google says furry wolf is at http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/art/c/o/corourke2/wolf.jpg.html or http://www.thecry.com/forum/philosophy/3282.html or http://www.thecry.com/forum/philosophy/3286.html or http://tfseeker.tfcentral.com/T-Were.html or http://www.rankandrevue.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=32 |
| 18:34.04 | TheDuck | I'm pretty sure at least one of these results contain the answer |
| 18:34.19 | amped | sobersabre, sure |
| 18:34.35 | furrywolf | ? |
| 18:34.40 | ircdevil | pretty lame with yet another bot triggered by ! - somebody kick it |
| 18:34.59 | EdibleText | !lart lanchow |
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| 18:35.16 | ircdevil | !ban lanchow |
| 18:35.29 | ircdevil | !seen dpkg |
| 18:35.30 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'dpkg', ircdevil |
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| 18:36.00 | jethro | greycat: my bad, it appears you no longer set your IP address on the command line with windows |
| 18:36.09 | goron | stew: I put skip agpart in /etc/discover-modprobe.conf, but it's still loaded. |
| 18:36.19 | goron | stew: I am now using a stock kernel, btw. |
| 18:36.25 | Nykheyn | how to write "mount" command in order to mount a fat32 partition (already writed in fstab) temporaly |
| 18:36.41 | greycat | Nykheyn: mount /foo |
| 18:36.43 | Bac9 | Nykheyn: -t vfat |
| 18:36.51 | greycat | Bac9: he said "already in fstab" |
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| 18:37.00 | furrywolf | theduck: did you ever answer what was wrong with my nick? :P |
| 18:37.04 | Bac9 | greycat: he said "temporarily" |
| 18:37.07 | jethro | greycat: on the other hand, it's still true for route |
| 18:37.24 | EdibleText | jethro, I think you open up some app that looks like a vcr interface and turn a knob to dial your IP |
| 18:37.34 | EdibleText | in XP |
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| 18:38.01 | jethro | EdibleText: yes, I know that, but I recall being able to set it on the command line as well, on earlier windows |
| 18:38.06 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: any relation to deadcat? |
| 18:38.37 | amped | sobersabre: ?? |
| 18:38.46 | TheDuck | no. I uh... I'm sure I left my oven on or my mother is dying or... so uh, I will never answer it and uh... okay |
| 18:38.55 | EdibleText | jethro, i apologize. IRC is a poor medium for expressing sarcasm ;) |
| 18:38.56 | furrywolf | lol |
| 18:39.27 | jethro | EdibleText: :) |
| 18:39.44 | furrywolf | theduck: sure you're not in the oven you left on? roast duck is tastey... |
| 18:39.55 | EdibleText | teh cripsy |
| 18:40.00 | TheDuck | hä' |
| 18:40.04 | TheDuck | ,lp |
| 18:40.13 | sobersabre | amped, you can experiment with your number |
| 18:40.16 | goron | How can I make sure agpart is *not* loaded at boottime? |
| 18:40.20 | greycat | !blacklist |
| 18:40.20 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 18:40.27 | Bac9 | furrywolf: roast duck or greased turkey :-( |
| 18:40.32 | amped | sobersabre, as i said, it doesn't work |
| 18:40.55 | goron | greycat: I put it in /etc/dicsover-modprobe.conf and it doesn't work. |
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| 18:41.22 | sobersabre | but from what i can see in the table, not all the providers are supported . |
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| 18:41.27 | cog | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.34 | sobersabre | amped, do you get an error ? |
| 18:41.48 | amped | sobersabre, yep, from the mailserver |
| 18:41.48 | sobersabre | like... relay denied... ? |
| 18:41.49 | greycat | goron: READ THE FUCKING FACTOID! |
| 18:42.05 | furrywolf | greycat: I know the feeling... that's why I just don't bother helping most people. :) |
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| 18:42.17 | JohnFlux | Hey ll |
| 18:42.18 | JohnFlux | all |
| 18:42.18 | goron | greycat: Somebody already showed it to me. And YES I READ IT. |
| 18:42.19 | furrywolf | good for your sanity! |
| 18:42.20 | Bac9 | greycat: did you turn grey from coming here too often? |
| 18:42.22 | JohnFlux | how do I do make | less but also less'ing the stderr |
| 18:42.29 | greycat | not only is the filename he gave *NOT* one of the filenames listed in the factoid, but he didn't even spell "discover" right! |
| 18:42.31 | ircdevil | !sedate greycat |
| 18:42.37 | furrywolf | johnflux: 2>&1 |
| 18:42.40 | goron | greycat: But if it makes you happy, I will do it again. |
| 18:42.40 | greycat | cocaine is a sedative? |
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| 18:42.56 | cog | !sedate cog |
| 18:42.59 | thingfish | umm...cocaine sedates? |
| 18:42.59 | jethro | that's what I was wondering about as well |
| 18:43.00 | JohnFlux | furrywolf: thanks :) |
| 18:43.06 | jethro | should be ketamine |
| 18:43.13 | goron | greycat: Well, that's called a typing error. |
| 18:43.18 | amped | sobersabre, it was not delivered. |
| 18:43.19 | thingfish | hehe yeah, ketamine would do it. |
| 18:43.35 | furrywolf | bah. nurses with enema syringes are far more fun than nurses with syringes. :P |
| 18:43.38 | ircdevil | greycat if administered in large enuf amounts, i guess |
| 18:43.52 | amped | sobersabre, Reason: 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: number@provider.net |
| 18:44.01 | TwistedEmotions | exit |
| 18:44.03 | TwistedEmotions | heh |
| 18:44.05 | TwistedEmotions | whooops |
| 18:44.08 | sobersabre | amped, this means you gave a bad name... |
| 18:44.09 | goron | greycat: The file that I edited said that when I added an entry that would not be loaded. Well, obviously that's not true. Not my fault. |
| 18:44.25 | amped | sobersabre, phonenumber@provider.net is a bad name? |
| 18:44.36 | amped | sobersabre, can i PM you? |
| 18:44.45 | sobersabre | no prob |
| 18:44.59 | jethro | thingfish: :) |
| 18:45.10 | greycat | goron: so let's play make believe, that you edited the right file. So discover would not have loaded it. THERE IS ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT AUTOMATICALLY LOADS THINGS! That's why you see an "and" in the factoid! |
| 18:45.27 | goron | greycat: You are right. |
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| 18:45.50 | jethro | see what cocaine does on people? |
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| 18:47.57 | ircdevil | jethro - makes em correct ? |
| 18:48.21 | goron | greycat: /etc/discover.conf (as in !blacklist) is not up to date, I think. |
| 18:48.31 | jethro | ircdevil: makes them talkative |
| 18:48.48 | furrywolf | bbl, hunting up breakfast |
| 18:48.53 | ircdevil | heh |
| 18:48.59 | illsci | Whats the best way to get all of gnome installed using apt-get |
| 18:49.08 | greycat | 14:40 goron> greycat: I put it in /etc/dicsover-modprobe.conf and it doesn't |
| 18:49.08 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.12 | greycat | arc1:/etc$ ls -d disc* |
| 18:49.12 | greycat | discover-autoskip.conf discover.conf discover.conf-2.6 discover.d |
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| 18:50.03 | goron | greycat: justok:/etc# ls -d disc* |
| 18:50.03 | goron | discover.conf-2.6 discover.d discover-v1.conf |
| 18:50.03 | goron | discover.conf.d discover-modprobe.conf |
| 18:50.18 | goron | greycat: It seems you made discover.conf up by yourself. |
| 18:50.20 | greycat | isn't GNU/Linux so great. |
| 18:50.23 | greycat | yay go Linux. |
| 18:50.24 | greycat | woo hoo. |
| 18:50.25 | ircdevil | oh dear ... |
| 18:51.11 | goron | greycat: Therefor (after I read the manpage of discover), I came to the other file. |
| 18:51.34 | goron | greycat: How hard is it to accept that? |
| 18:51.39 | greycat | SEE ALSO |
| 18:51.40 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.48 | greycat | there is no match on FILES in my man page either. |
| 18:52.09 | greycat | goron: which version of "Debian" are you actually running? |
| 18:52.10 | goron | greycat: Ok, you are right. |
| 18:52.17 | goron | greycat: Unstable |
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| 18:52.29 | goron | greycat: But I think it should be in Files. |
| 18:52.31 | ircdevil | !de-mwilson greycat |
| 18:52.41 | abrotman | N-0-X: did you get it ? |
| 18:52.52 | goron | greycat: When should something go in the Files section of a manpage and when not? |
| 18:53.03 | goron | This is freaking confusing. |
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| 18:53.08 | greycat | goron: when the idiots who write man pages for GNU/Linux systems get a clue. |
| 18:53.13 | EdibleText | !confuse goron |
| 18:53.14 | dpkg | Yes, how was your pants today, goron? shirts of the republic of tibet with extra cheese |
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| 18:53.29 | goron | greycat: Ok |
| 18:53.46 | goron | greycat: That would be never, right? |
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| 18:53.56 | greycat | goron: based on past trends, yes. |
| 18:53.59 | greycat | !gnu man pages |
| 18:53.59 | dpkg | gnu man pages are utterly shit, and you can't fix them even if you try. For example, see http://bugs.debian.org/111578 |
| 18:54.09 | Bombo | how do i tell sarge my local ip? i wasn't asked by the installer |
| 18:54.14 | greycat | Bombo: man interfaces |
| 18:54.17 | ircdevil | heh |
| 18:54.21 | Bombo | it always starts to get the ip from a dhcp |
| 18:54.29 | Bombo | and that is the wrong one |
| 18:54.37 | Bombo | so i dont get connected to the internet |
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| 18:54.43 | Bombo | it uses the same ip as the router |
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| 18:54.53 | greycat | your DHCP server is shit, then. |
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| 18:55.09 | bobbens_ | if my external hdd keeps on commiting suicide on me is it linux formating support for external firewire hard drives or a crappy external hard drive? Using firewire, i format with fdisk (primary 1 = 200gb ext3) and then i mount it and it works. The thing is that it'll crash X sometimes and then when i try to remount it's gone. I have to re-initialize it, to be able to format it again, but... |
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| 18:55.11 | bobbens_ | ...to the same result. Anyone have any luck with this or will i have to try using fat32 and formatting with windows (how it came)? i have read that formatting external hard drives with linux is still scratchy at best... |
| 18:55.32 | Bombo | greycat i didnt know that i have one |
| 18:55.38 | greycat | isn't "formatting" a hard drive, like, something we used to do back in 1986? |
| 18:55.51 | Bombo | hmm |
| 18:55.56 | greycat | Bombo: if you got an address at all, you have a DHCP server. |
| 18:55.57 | pipeline | greycat: You're thinking "low-level" format. |
| 18:56.00 | greycat | Bombo: or your ISP does. |
| 18:56.10 | goron | greycat: I read that link a bit. I agree what a slackers. The find manpage has a lot of commands, but an extremely low value in terms of usage. |
| 18:56.13 | pipeline | greycat: RLL 4 lyfe |
| 18:56.23 | greycat | pipeline: yes. I'm also thinking "MY GOD, won't these newbies *ever* get any smarter?" |
| 18:56.35 | bobbens | greycat: i just know i got it in fat32 and i wanted to have bigger then 4 gig files so i had to switch file system and formatted it to ext3 but have been having trouble ever since |
| 18:56.48 | IDC-1 | I barely could join in freenode irc,says time out,tried 3 mirrors ;( |
| 18:56.59 | greycat | bobbens: why would mkfs.ext3 be 'scratchy'? |
| 18:57.03 | IDC-1 | barely could > could hardly |
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| 18:57.19 | bobbens | greycat: i just read that it wasnt working too well with external hdd |
| 18:57.25 | bobbens | all my internal work fine |
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| 18:58.11 | greycat | mkfs.ext3 just writes stuff. (And reads a bit of stuff). If reading and writing are SO broken that you can't even do the very small amount of writing that ext3 performs, I would NOT trust it to store any data. |
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| 18:58.41 | Bombo | damn what editor is installed on the base sarge install? |
| 18:58.50 | bobbens | vi |
| 18:58.50 | streuner | nano |
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| 18:59.04 | giupy | with raidsofware 2 hd of 80 g, swap partition must be under the raid total partition of 160gb o like a normal swap ? |
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| 19:00.40 | bobbens | greycat: i just know that after giving it an ext3 partition with mkfs.ext3 it eventually corrupts itself rendering it unusable until doing a complete format. i would like to know how i can get this external hdd working in ext2/3 or any file system that allows me to store files over 4 gigs and is compatible with linux |
| 19:00.44 | ircdevil | greycat: heh, just read http://bugs.debian.org/111578 - hilarius - in a sad sad sad way. |
| 19:00.59 | abrotman | Bombo: nvi nano |
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| 19:01.05 | abrotman | i think |
| 19:01.11 | Bombo | ok i try nano vi is too complicated |
| 19:01.21 | abrotman | vi is compliated ? |
| 19:01.21 | abrotman | !vi |
| 19:01.21 | dpkg | i guess vi is said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 19:01.43 | abrotman | complicated |
| 19:01.47 | ircdevil | !cream |
| 19:01.47 | dpkg | hmm... cream is something you eat |
| 19:02.06 | ircdevil | stupid bot |
| 19:02.07 | mwelsh | dpkg -i ghc6 |
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| 19:03.37 | ircdevil | !cream |
| 19:03.37 | dpkg | cream is, like, a free and easy-to-use configuration of the powerful and famous Vim text editor - see http://cream.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:03.45 | ircdevil | tadaa |
| 19:04.14 | Bombo | DHCP DISCOVER |
| 19:04.23 | tarzeau | nvidia network cards suck |
| 19:04.26 | Bombo | this means that a DHCP server is found in the networ, right? |
| 19:04.35 | Bombo | network. |
| 19:04.43 | lef | does exim4 read /etc/exim/domains.virtual ? |
| 19:05.21 | j_k | Bombo: it's the sort of packets one sends when he's trying to find a DHCP server, IIRC. |
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| 19:06.23 | mhall | Hello everybody. |
| 19:06.34 | ircdevil | sup mhall |
| 19:06.37 | mhall | 11:49 <MeSSaGe> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 19:06.47 | mhall | Can we do something about that, eh? |
| 19:06.53 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 19:06.57 | streuner | mhall: sure :-) |
| 19:07.01 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@81.212.228.111] by greycat |
| 19:07.02 | mhall | sweet! |
| 19:07.03 | *** kick/#debian [MeSSaGe!rfc1413@wooledge.org] by greycat (greycat) |
| 19:07.10 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 19:07.14 | mhall | greycat: thank you very much |
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| 19:07.38 | streuner | mhall: not that much, it seems its a botnet... |
| 19:07.50 | mhall | streuner: How fucked up and evil. |
| 19:07.56 | streuner | true |
| 19:08.07 | MobyTurbo | .tr as a whole is a botnet |
| 19:08.08 | mhall | streuner: And amazingly, a large corporation isn't behind it (that we know of). |
| 19:08.14 | mhall | streuner: TINC, right? ;-) |
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| 19:08.24 | greycat | MobyTurbo: true. but this one didn't reverse to *.tr. |
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| 19:08.31 | Bombo | j_k: does sarge install by default a dhcp server? |
| 19:08.37 | streuner | mhall: TINC? |
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| 19:08.39 | Bombo | my router is 192.168.0.1 |
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| 19:08.44 | j_k | Bombo: yes. |
| 19:08.46 | mhall | streuner: There is no cabal. |
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| 19:08.50 | Bombo | and sarge normally has 192.168.0.2 |
| 19:08.55 | jeff_ | mtnman: hey, its the guy with the video card problems again |
| 19:09.05 | mhall | apt, tinc? |
| 19:09.06 | apt | Virtual private network daemon. URL: http://www.nl.linux.org/pub/linux/tinc/ |
| 19:09.09 | Bombo | but every 5 minutes the dhcp is getting the ip 192.168.0.1 |
| 19:09.15 | ircdevil | ok - i just dist-upgraded - a zillion packages and only one hich-up - some fglix driver for ATI |
| 19:09.16 | Bombo | and i'm cut off from the internet |
| 19:09.17 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: no it's not. there's exceptions in #debian.tr |
| 19:09.17 | mhall | apt, tinc is also There Is No Cabal |
| 19:09.18 | apt | okay, mhall |
| 19:09.26 | goron | greycat: It's still loaded at boottime. I added agpgart to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and to /etc/discover-modprobe.conf (in a skip section). |
| 19:09.39 | tarzeau | but it's funny what you get when you traceroute www.superonline.com.tr |
| 19:09.48 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: good point, sorry |
| 19:09.56 | j_k | Bombo: are you using DHCP for your internet connection ? |
| 19:10.02 | mhall | Is there an ncurses spreadsheet application? |
| 19:10.08 | tarzeau | mhall: yes |
| 19:10.11 | tarzeau | mhall: sc |
| 19:10.15 | Bombo | j_k: not sure |
| 19:10.18 | mhall | Sometimes I have comma separated record files I'd like to analyze on remote servers. |
| 19:10.24 | greycat | goron: then perhaps /etc/discover-modprobe.conf is not the correct file. |
| 19:10.30 | mhall | tarzeau: Can it handle comma and tab files? Really really large? |
| 19:10.37 | greycat | goron: are you even *running* a 2.4.x kernel? |
| 19:10.37 | tarzeau | mhall: no idea, i use awk |
| 19:10.38 | Bombo | j_k i see DHCP DISCOVER .... and DHCP OFFER ... |
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| 19:10.44 | mhall | tarzeau: Well so do I. |
| 19:10.49 | goron | greycat: NO, a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:10.53 | jeff_ | im having a problem with my xserver right now. Yesteday i tried to chave the driver from vesa to tdfx (to accomodate a voodoo 3dfx card), and somewhere along the line messed up my mouse, so now the x server wont load. Two of the modules (pex and xie) also arent loading, but i dont know if that is the source of the problem, or just another bug. can anyone help? |
| 19:10.56 | tarzeau | mhall: what's really really large? larger than 18 inches? |
| 19:10.59 | mhall | tarzeau: I'll experiment with that tool |
| 19:11.03 | greycat | goron: then WHY would you think anything with "modprobe" in its name is for you? |
| 19:11.07 | ircdevil | does apt and dpkg get synchronized ? |
| 19:11.12 | mhall | tarzeau: Well, how about 900 megabytes? |
| 19:11.15 | greycat | goron: modprobe is 2.4.x, module-init-tools is 2.6.x. |
| 19:11.15 | j_k | Bombo: OFFER is the reply from the DHCP server. |
| 19:11.22 | mhall | tarzeau: That's pretty big for ASCII data. |
| 19:11.33 | tarzeau | mhall: you've got so much data in spreadsheet form? |
| 19:11.38 | goron | greycat: modprobe still works in 2.6 kernels. So therefor I use it. |
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| 19:11.46 | tarzeau | ircdevil: huh? |
| 19:11.49 | greycat | goron: ls -l $(which modprobe) |
| 19:12.00 | goron | greycat: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23564 2005-01-26 22:10 /sbin/modprobe |
| 19:12.01 | tarzeau | ircdevil: what would you like to synchronize between apt and dpkg? |
| 19:12.04 | abrotman | mhall: you oculd try it .. and see if it dies |
| 19:12.04 | mhall | tarzeau: Well, it's data from a cellular phone company. |
| 19:12.11 | greycat | damn it. |
| 19:12.20 | mhall | tarzeau: Transaction records from customer usage. |
| 19:12.20 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2004-09-06 10:39 /sbin/modprobe -> insmod* |
| 19:12.37 | tarzeau | mhall: of how much days? |
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| 19:12.45 | mhall | tarzeau: When you have 42 million of them and record about 60 fields per call, you get a lot of data. |
| 19:12.52 | lindi- | goron: greycat: module-init-tools and modutils both ship modprobe but they are probably different modprobes |
| 19:13.02 | greycat | lindi-: that's what I was trying to demonstrate. |
| 19:13.05 | mhall | tarzeau: Well that's one 30 minute file |
| 19:13.10 | greycat | lindi-: until goron's nonsymlinked modprobe shot that down. |
| 19:13.12 | mhall | tarzeau: from one of many data feeds |
| 19:13.25 | tarzeau | mhall: uncompressed. and what's the save on gzip -9 ? |
| 19:13.27 | mhall | abrotman: Yeah that was my backup plan. |
| 19:13.28 | goron | greycat: I never changed anything to those symlinks. |
| 19:13.33 | jeff_ | im having a problem with my xserver right now. Yesteday i tried to chave the driver from vesa to tdfx (to accomodate a voodoo 3dfx card), and somewhere along the line messed up my mouse, so now the x server wont load. Two of the modules (pex and xie) also arent loading, but i dont know if that is the source of the problem, or just another bug. can anyone help? |
| 19:13.39 | goron | greycat: or files or whatever.. |
| 19:13.40 | ircdevil | tarzeau: the factoids |
| 19:13.42 | greycat | !find sbin/modprobe$ sid |
| 19:13.44 | mhall | tarzeau: We don't use it because it taxes the CPUs too much. |
| 19:13.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sbin/modprobe' (1): (/sbin/modprobe) in admin/module-init-tools,base/modutils. |
| 19:13.57 | streuner | apt, no tinc is <reply> http://www.tinc-vpn.org/ or There Is No Cabal |
| 19:13.58 | apt | okay, streuner |
| 19:14.01 | tarzeau | ircdevil: awwww, now i get it |
| 19:14.01 | mhall | tarzeau: I measured it and performed the benchmarks actually. |
| 19:14.06 | dubian | what do I need to do to watch a dvd in sarge???? |
| 19:14.06 | coll_ | can i do `apt-get upgrade <package>` and it'll upgrade solely that package? |
| 19:14.20 | greycat | dubian: ogle and friends, or totem and friends, or mplayer, or ... |
| 19:14.20 | coll_ | looking at the man, there's nothing mentinoed about another argument passed onto upgrade |
| 19:14.21 | tarzeau | mhall: have you looked at lzop ? |
| 19:14.23 | abrotman | dubian: libdvdread |
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| 19:14.33 | goron | greycat: But what should I do now? |
| 19:14.41 | greycat | goron: find out what the right file is. |
| 19:14.49 | mhall | tarzeau: Well here is the thing. We have essentially unlimited bandwidth on fiber and unlimited SAN capacity and speed. |
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| 19:15.03 | lindi- | hmm, would be nice to get that dpkg bot to ircnet #debian too :) |
| 19:15.03 | tarzeau | mhall: i see |
| 19:15.16 | mhall | tarzeau: Our limits are CPUs. We use Sun 6800s with completely full CPU slots and it's often still not fast enough. |
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| 19:15.18 | goron | greycat: You mean the right discover file? discover.conf is a XML file. The other has the skip syntax. |
| 19:15.19 | greycat | lindi-: you could run your own. |
| 19:15.26 | eleusis | hi |
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| 19:15.30 | goron | greycat: But the last doesn't work. |
| 19:15.33 | abrotman | lindi-: you can take dpkg's factoids |
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| 19:15.37 | greycat | goron: a minute ago you said you didn't have discover.conf at all. |
| 19:15.38 | mhall | tarzeau: So compression wouldn't help us much. We do compress the backup data during off hours. |
| 19:15.39 | tarzeau | mhall: let me check google pictures for a sun 6800 |
| 19:15.43 | greycat | make that several minutes. |
| 19:15.44 | coll_ | how can i upgrade a specific package? |
| 19:15.48 | greycat | coll_: apt-get install foobar |
| 19:15.48 | eleusis | is ~/login.sh a special script? i.e. run at some particular time? |
| 19:15.49 | goron | greycat: That's still true |
| 19:15.53 | mhall | tarzeau: It takes like 48 CPUs. |
| 19:15.57 | greycat | eleusis: nothing I know of reads that file at all. |
| 19:16.00 | eleusis | hmm |
| 19:16.03 | mhall | tarzeau: They are starting to do dual core CPUs now. |
| 19:16.06 | goron | greycat: The examples in the manpage show xml based files. |
| 19:16.07 | lindi- | greycat: ok, how can i ask it for the sources? ;) |
| 19:16.12 | mhall | tarzeau: But we haven't gotten any of those just yet. |
| 19:16.21 | lindi- | abrotman: that'd be nice, and we could contribute back too |
| 19:16.23 | ircdevil | coll_: backports.org |
| 19:16.27 | abrotman | !tell lindi- about blootbot |
| 19:16.29 | mhall | XML scares me. Much of our data is in that form. *shudder* |
| 19:16.31 | abrotman | !tell lindi- about your factoids |
| 19:16.32 | greycat | goron: the *what*? Apparently there's some HUGE discrepancy between sid and sarge here. You're on your own. |
| 19:16.37 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 19:16.37 | dpkg | i heard sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 19:16.56 | coll_ | greycat: well i've installed woody and it has nmap 2.54 as its latest release even when i do apt-get install nmap |
| 19:17.01 | tarzeau | mhall: guess it's not that ;) http://www.selt.cz/Solaria/KBL/6800-kir%20royal.jpg |
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| 19:17.12 | greycat | I assure you, there are NO examples, XML or otherwise, in discover(8) or discover.conf(5) in sarge. |
| 19:17.32 | greycat | coll_: woody is 3 years old. Deal. |
| 19:17.55 | tarzeau | mhall: yeah XML is evil |
| 19:18.00 | abrotman | coll_: do you understand what it means to be "debian stable" ? |
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| 19:18.23 | mhall | tarzeau: lol that's funny |
| 19:18.25 | ircdevil | coll_ find a recent version at www.backports.org - if availibale |
| 19:18.29 | mhall | tarzeau: let me see what i can find |
| 19:18.40 | ircdevil | grr i lag |
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| 19:18.50 | pipeline | coll_: Debian stable DOES NOT UPDATE. Version numbers are effectively FROZEN at the release date. Security fixes are *backported*. |
| 19:18.52 | goron | greycat: You mean that your discover.conf is not xml based? |
| 19:19.01 | tarzeau | anyone wants the perfect audio player? http://gnu.ethz.ch/debain/ocp/ |
| 19:19.10 | pipeline | coll_: The idea is that you can leave your system updating off of a cron job and never break your configurations. |
| 19:19.15 | greycat | arc1:/etc$ grep -v '^#' discover.conf |
| 19:19.15 | greycat | enable pci,usb,ide,scsi |
| 19:19.15 | greycat | enable pcmcia |
| 19:19.16 | goron | greycat: I am running sid |
| 19:19.19 | greycat | etc. |
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| 19:19.24 | drcode | HI all |
| 19:19.26 | tarzeau | if someone is into adlib chipsongs, i've found 1500+ of them |
| 19:19.27 | mhall | tarzeau: http://www.sun.com/servers/midrange/sunfire6800/ |
| 19:19.28 | goron | greycat: I already said that. |
| 19:19.34 | coll_ | greycat: abrotman: i've been advised using that over sarge because this is for a linux gateway, not a desktop box and is more secure than sarge |
| 19:19.37 | mhall | tarzeau: As you can see, that's a pretty large system. |
| 19:19.38 | drcode | in dpkg I see some rc and most ii , can I remove rc? |
| 19:19.47 | ircdevil | tarzeau: elaborate |
| 19:19.47 | mhall | tarzeau: The dual core version is called a 6900 |
| 19:19.51 | greycat | coll_: that argument no longer applies. Sarge now has security updates. |
| 19:19.52 | tarzeau | mhall: yep looks really powerful! you run them on solaris 10? |
| 19:19.59 | mhall | tarzeau: After that you have to use E15000 and E25000 |
| 19:20.00 | tarzeau | ircdevil: i don't know sorre |
| 19:20.00 | abrotman | greycat: uhm .. kind of ? :) |
| 19:20.01 | greycat | coll_: 2 weeks ago, that was a valid consideration. |
| 19:20.11 | abrotman | greycat: my xlibs still haven't updated |
| 19:20.12 | mhall | tarzeau: Sadly no, it's too mission critical to use S10 so soon. |
| 19:20.19 | tarzeau | mhall: i've got an ultrasparc 2 at home. and a larger alpha system |
| 19:20.24 | mhall | tarzeau: These machines generate $100,000s USD per hour. |
| 19:20.26 | tarzeau | mhall: and a bunch of cute non ultra sparcs |
| 19:20.27 | greycat | abrotman: point taken. |
| 19:20.29 | coll_ | greycat: so there's no difference installing sarge or woody where it comes down to security? |
| 19:20.34 | giupy | i have /dev/hde and /dev/hdg under raidsofware but install fails when try to install lilo in MBR or partition / (160gb raid total) with error 1, what's append? |
| 19:20.35 | goron | greycat: You were talking about sarge all the time? |
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| 19:20.38 | tarzeau | mhall: S8? |
| 19:20.39 | greycat | goron: yes. |
| 19:20.42 | mhall | tarzeau: I'm typing to you from an Ultra 10, 1337 h4x0r1z3d by myself. |
| 19:20.45 | mhall | tarzeau: S9 |
| 19:20.48 | abrotman | mhall: maybe you should take one home :) |
| 19:20.49 | greycat | goron: I do not HAVE a sid box with discover on it. |
| 19:20.52 | Bombo | after editing /etc/network/interfaces a ifdown -a;ifup -a should do, right? |
| 19:20.52 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 19:20.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 19:21.02 | goron | greycat: Ok |
| 19:21.07 | abrotman | Bombo: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 19:21.08 | tarzeau | mhall: these boxes have no local graphics card, do they? |
| 19:21.15 | mhall | abrotman: Sadly I work out of Washington state and the data centers are in Rocklin and Walnut Creek, CA. |
| 19:21.16 | Bombo | i did that , added a static ip, then ifdown/ifup and ifconfig eth0 still shows the same ip .1 |
| 19:21.20 | Bombo | abrotman ah |
| 19:21.26 | abrotman | mhall: oh well |
| 19:21.28 | mhall | tarzeau: I'm not sure, I use them all remotely via SSH. |
| 19:21.36 | mhall | abrotman: I do have a badge though. |
| 19:21.39 | coll_ | well could i totally upgrade to sarge using apt or a re-install is preffered? |
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| 19:21.44 | tarzeau | mhall: hostname? |
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| 19:21.45 | mhall | abrotman: Conceivably I could engineer my way in. |
| 19:21.47 | greycat | coll_: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 19:21.57 | abrotman | ohh .. and they just spit out 100k/hour? |
| 19:21.59 | mhall | tarzeau: They're on a private network. |
| 19:22.03 | mhall | abrotman: basically |
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| 19:22.16 | mhall | abrotman: They bill customers for their cellular service. |
| 19:22.17 | abrotman | mhall: don't tell the US Mint |
| 19:22.27 | mhall | abrotman: It's almost like they spit out the money. |
| 19:22.34 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - once sarge is released, will all the cool new stuff like xorg get put in testing? |
| 19:22.37 | Bombo | abrotman still .1 |
| 19:22.37 | jethro | !lart steam networks |
| 19:22.44 | Bombo | strange |
| 19:22.47 | abrotman | Bombo: .1 of what? |
| 19:22.48 | tarzeau | mhall: you've got a c compiler and remote x? |
| 19:22.53 | abrotman | Bombo: dhcp ? |
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| 19:23.02 | tarzeau | mhall: please tell me you don't run any java stuff on it |
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| 19:23.13 | mhall | tarzeau: Actually that brings up a story. |
| 19:23.28 | mhall | tarzeau: We were using a Java program to validate our XML output data against schemas. |
| 19:23.41 | goron | greycat: Uhm, that faq is of no help. Besides I already read it once. |
| 19:23.42 | coll_ | greycat: i knew it was possible before. im just asking for your opinion if there's nothing wrong with doing it that way or a fresh install of sarge is prefered somehow? |
| 19:23.42 | Bombo | abrotman: ifconfig shows eth0 is 192.168.0.1 |
| 19:23.51 | abrotman | Bombo: dhcp ? |
| 19:23.59 | mhall | tarzeau: Which I thought was horrifying because it's SLOW AS HELL and also it would crash after the most trivial errors in the XML. |
| 19:24.04 | Bombo | abrotman: in interfaces file is iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.2 |
| 19:24.07 | greycat | goron: it tells you why you must be self-supporting. |
| 19:24.18 | mhall | tarzeau: And waste our techs time horribly when they'd have to restart validation on 900 mb data. |
| 19:24.19 | Bombo | abrotman no dhcp is commented out of interfaces file |
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| 19:24.29 | coll_ | Bombo: try with ifconfig |
| 19:24.33 | mhall | tarzeau: So actually I ended up with the job of finding something faster. |
| 19:24.33 | greycat | coll_: if you have woody *working*, upgrading is preferred, because it's likely to stay working. |
| 19:24.41 | greycat | coll_: if you start over, you have to redo all your work |
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| 19:24.42 | abrotman | Bombo: paste it in #flood ? |
| 19:24.43 | jethro | coll_: if you plan a major kernel upgrade, like 2.2 -> 2.4 or 2.6 or anything to 2.6, I d say you'd better have a fresh install |
| 19:24.47 | mhall | tarzeau: I tweaked the java CLI options and made it 50% better. |
| 19:24.55 | tarzeau | heh, nice |
| 19:24.55 | jethro | coll_: if not, what greycat said |
| 19:25.00 | mhall | tarzeau: Meanwhile I fought a war against the C++ XML library. |
| 19:25.13 | coll_ | jethro: i've got 2.4.x now (woody with bf24) |
| 19:25.13 | greycat | I wouldn't call 2.2 to 2.4 major enough to justify a reinstallation of the whole OS |
| 19:25.17 | Bombo | abrotman paste what |
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| 19:25.19 | tarzeau | mhall: do i get you right, you don't like c++ ? or only not xml? |
| 19:25.20 | mhall | tarzeau: And eventually did get it to compile, fully optimized, in 64 bit mode (just to be futureproof). |
| 19:25.24 | abrotman | Bombo: your interfaces file |
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| 19:25.34 | mhall | tarzeau: No I actually love C++ and C. |
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| 19:25.40 | mhall | tarzeau: But the XML library is scary. |
| 19:25.45 | tarzeau | mhall: i love c and objective-c |
| 19:25.50 | jethro | greycat: point, but it applies for a switch to 2.6 imho |
| 19:25.52 | coll_ | Bombo: tell me which are your desired network confs? (ip, netmask) |
| 19:25.55 | mhall | tarzeau: All of the arguments to its functions have to be in UTF16. |
| 19:26.02 | tarzeau | mhall: gcc or something else? |
| 19:26.08 | greycat | jethro: it could. |
| 19:26.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: i heard gnustep uses obj.c .. and it causes cancer .. is that true ? |
| 19:26.12 | tarzeau | mhall: FoundationKit is UTF16 ;) |
| 19:26.15 | mhall | tarzeau: I actually bootstrapped GCC 3.4.3 |
| 19:26.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh ;) xml causes eye cancer |
| 19:26.35 | tarzeau | s/is/has/ (NSString actually) |
| 19:26.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: i thought that was FrontPage-generated-HTML ? |
| 19:26.52 | mhall | tarzeau: But I was glad to get rid of that Java application. |
| 19:26.56 | Bombo | abrotman its 3 lines |
| 19:27.01 | jethro | greycat: that's just my point of view after all, had hard time switching to 2.6 when I had to for some reasons |
| 19:27.01 | tarzeau | mhall: i have no doubts |
| 19:27.05 | coll_ | Bombo: try this: ifdown eth0 -> ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 mtu 1500 up then check ifconfig to see if it's alright |
| 19:27.11 | mhall | tarzeau: The one huge data feed it was processing was so slow it took 25 minutes to create 30 minutes of data. |
| 19:27.30 | goron | greycat: I am pretty self-supportive, but if it just doesn't work.... Rewriting the software could be done, but I just want to *use* the system. If I wanted to write a new system, it wouldn't be based on C. |
| 19:27.35 | mhall | tarzeau: Imagine what happens when you get a few more customers during the holiday season using their IP cell phone features. :-) |
| 19:27.39 | abrotman | Bombo: well .. if you're not going to paste it .. i can't help you |
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| 19:27.45 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 19:27.45 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story" |
| 19:27.49 | Bombo | auto lo eth0 |
| 19:27.53 | Bombo | iface lo inet loopback |
| 19:27.54 | tarzeau | mhall: how large is all your san in petabytes? |
| 19:28.00 | mhall | I taught myself how to do multithreaded programming last week. |
| 19:28.02 | mantiena | hi all |
| 19:28.02 | abrotman | Bombo: read /topic .. don't flood |
| 19:28.02 | Bombo | iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 19:28.06 | Bombo | 3 lines |
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| 19:28.14 | mhall | tarzeau: I'm not sure. I'd have to ask the admins. I'd have to say pretty big. |
| 19:28.21 | greycat | Bombo: and "auto eth0" I hope. |
| 19:28.22 | Bombo | abrotman 4 lines is considered as flod? |
| 19:28.24 | tarzeau | mhall: you know what is funny? |
| 19:28.27 | greycat | Bombo: yes it is. |
| 19:28.33 | abrotman | Bombo: try it again .. and see if debhelper kills you :) |
| 19:28.33 | mhall | tarzeau: We store a lot of historical data. Especially if you count the robot tape archives. |
| 19:28.36 | Bombo | greycat sorry then |
| 19:28.39 | mhall | tarzeau: what is? |
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| 19:28.41 | tarzeau | mhall: we run a few (about 3 or 4, 2-5 tb servers) |
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| 19:28.51 | mhall | tarzeau: sweet |
| 19:29.00 | goron | greycat: Ok, I found the discrepancy. |
| 19:29.06 | tarzeau | mhall: and the central informatics of us (veritas i think) can't backup stuff > 2 tb! and no file over 2gb. |
| 19:29.14 | mhall | I have to say, the POSIX threads library is pretty impressive. |
| 19:29.21 | goron | greycat: Unstable has libdiscover2, Testing has libdiscover1. |
| 19:29.28 | coll_ | Bombo: did you try it? |
| 19:29.31 | mhall | tarzeau: lol, so you have to use tar and mt to do it? |
| 19:29.32 | Bombo | greycat "auto eth0" nope |
| 19:29.35 | tarzeau | mhall: do youhave soundcards in your boxes? |
| 19:29.36 | goron | greycat: I can install libdiscover1 just like you. |
| 19:29.41 | greycat | Bombo: you'll probably want it. |
| 19:29.42 | Bombo | coll_ nooooooooo one thing after the other ;) |
| 19:29.47 | tarzeau | mhall: we've made smaller partitions for now :) |
| 19:29.51 | mhall | tarzeau: our desktops do, i'm not sure about the servers |
| 19:29.52 | tarzeau | mhall: don't ask |
| 19:29.54 | Bombo | greycat i'll try it ;) |
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| 19:30.14 | mantiena | anyone here has gnome-system-monitor from debian sarge installed ? |
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| 19:30.21 | tarzeau | !poll |
| 19:30.21 | dpkg | You wanna poll me? You can't handle polling me! |
| 19:30.28 | mhall | tarzeau: our system admins have problems parallelizing the backup jobs enough to get them done in time |
| 19:30.28 | tarzeau | !poll mantiena |
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| 19:30.50 | mantiena | tarzeau: I'm not about pool, I'm about important bugs |
| 19:31.01 | tarzeau | !bts mantiena |
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| 19:31.21 | mantiena | tarzeau: now is freeze, not enough time :( |
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| 19:31.32 | tarzeau | mantiena: you maintain/fix bugs on it? |
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| 19:31.44 | mantiena | tarzeau: sort of |
| 19:31.49 | tarzeau | mantiena: #debian-bugs ? |
| 19:31.52 | mhall | tarzeau: we wrote a sick and twisted multithreaded shell script that backs the data up on backup sans, deletes old data, archives data, etc |
| 19:31.57 | mantiena | tarzeau: thanks |
| 19:32.08 | mhall | tarzeau: our genius shell scripter created it and i helped a little |
| 19:32.20 | tarzeau | heh, sounds fun |
| 19:32.24 | mhall | tarzeau: so that's what we did, we just wrote it |
| 19:32.26 | greycat | if he were a real genius, he would have refused to write such a thing |
| 19:32.27 | tarzeau | mhall: echo $SHELL ? |
| 19:32.35 | greycat | s#he#s/he# |
| 19:32.41 | mhall | tarzeau: KSH93 |
| 19:32.58 | mhall | greycat: it works better than paying a fortune to a vendor for huge monolithic unconfigurable crap |
| 19:33.21 | greycat | mhall: oh, you were under threat by PHB. |
| 19:33.23 | greycat | I see. |
| 19:33.45 | tarzeau | !phb |
| 19:33.45 | dpkg | from memory, phb is pointy-haired boss (from dilbert) |
| 19:34.03 | ildegar_ | moro iitu |
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| 19:36.12 | mantiena | tarzeau: btw, do you have gnome-system-monitor from debian sarge installed on your system? |
| 19:36.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: do you have gnome installed? |
| 19:36.45 | chaco | ya sarge ha sido congelada? |
| 19:36.51 | mantiena | abrotman: I was first :-P |
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| 19:36.59 | streuner | !es |
| 19:37.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:37.19 | abrotman | mantiena: tarzeau is a game player .. he does nothing but jump`n`bump all day |
| 19:37.27 | goron | greycat: I now have the same manpage as you have, and added 'skip agpgart'. |
| 19:37.28 | tarzeau | mantiena: haha |
| 19:37.32 | gary | Guys, what sort of thing would be contained in a server policy. I ask in relation to a web server that allows users to upload files and download files. Would it be something like "By using this server you agree to ..... not use it for pr0n, stupid stuff, etc.." Is it something along those lines? |
| 19:37.37 | tarzeau | mantiena: i've got timemon.app and gnustep |
| 19:37.37 | goron | greycat: But it still loads the damn driver. |
| 19:37.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: hey. i do other stuff besides gaming! and it's not just that one game |
| 19:37.53 | jasoncohen | what's the KDE environment like in debian? does it have any custom artwork or themes like fedora core? |
| 19:37.56 | Flimzy | gary: Sounds like something to ask your attourney. |
| 19:38.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. you moved up to bump`n`hump ? |
| 19:38.07 | guestish | which module is the driver for the NForce CK804 AC'97 integrated audio? |
| 19:38.08 | guestish | snd-intel8x0 doesnt seem to be working |
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| 19:38.16 | gary | Flimzy: haha, i don't have one though :-( |
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| 19:38.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: bub-n-bros.sf.net , supertux, nethack (but i'm done with them. ok i still play nethack) |
| 19:38.34 | poli | gary: you can take a look at wikipedia's policies... |
| 19:38.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: and of course, www.mtp-target.org |
| 19:38.39 | Flimzy | gary: Well we certianly aren't qualified to answer that question. We're a bunch of geeks. |
| 19:38.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: enigma ? |
| 19:38.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: nah, i've played the much better rock'n'roll on amiga |
| 19:39.02 | Flimzy | What's the standard way to add a -j option when buliding a source deb? |
| 19:39.06 | abrotman | gary: find an existing service agreement online somewhere .. |
| 19:39.18 | Flimzy | Can I add it to an environment variable before running dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 19:39.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: no way! |
| 19:39.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: i tried the latest enigma last week again, but it's disappointing. tried maze of galious or pathogen? |
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| 19:39.35 | abrotman | nerp |
| 19:39.38 | abrotman | err nope |
| 19:39.43 | guestish | hum... |
| 19:39.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: am i wrong or does it not even have music IN the game? |
| 19:39.47 | tarzeau | (not the menu) |
| 19:39.50 | guestish | its supposedly supported |
| 19:39.54 | guestish | though i dunno by what |
| 19:39.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: i mean dope wars is more fun |
| 19:40.10 | lindi- | Flimzy: -j option to what? |
| 19:40.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: enigma makes me beat my mouse hard |
| 19:40.16 | Flimzy | lindi-: to make |
| 19:40.20 | bjk84 | So where can I find a uber dummies installation guide for debian? |
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| 19:40.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah .. see .. i have a trackpoint on my laptop .. so it's easier for me |
| 19:40.32 | streuner | bjk84: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 19:40.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you knew the space i have to roll the mouse around, and how short the cable is) |
| 19:40.35 | bjk84 | One that a windows guy like myself can understand :( |
| 19:40.35 | streuner | bjk84: /msg dpkg ig |
| 19:40.44 | bjk84 | thanks |
| 19:41.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: anything else besides enigma? |
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| 19:41.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: come on www.linuks.mine.nu/supercow is more fun ;) |
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| 19:41.32 | lindi- | Flimzy: you should set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL to some value i think |
| 19:41.46 | abrotman | that's for make-kpkg .. dunno if it affects apt-build |
| 19:41.49 | lindi- | Flimzy: sorry, that affects only make-kpkg |
| 19:41.50 | hulu | hi, anyone know what happened to symlinks package in sarge? |
| 19:41.55 | abrotman | or maybe apt-build has it's own |
| 19:42.03 | abrotman | !info symlinks sarge |
| 19:42.06 | Flimzy | lindi-: hrm |
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| 19:42.15 | abrotman | hulu: apparently went away |
| 19:42.22 | tarzeau | hulu: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=symlinks |
| 19:42.24 | gurubie | cp'ed built up Sid w/ext3 to ext3 on new HD's part, then ext3 to reiserfs part, now reiserfs to yet anouther reiserfs part given many errors tring to copy. How do I copy reiser to reiser? |
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| 19:42.32 | lindi- | abrotman: i'm afraid it doesn't, wouldn't that require support from debian/rules scripts? most just call "DESTDIR=blabhblah make" |
| 19:42.33 | abrotman | hulu: but it's in sid! |
| 19:42.34 | PunkZY_home | ×ÓÅÍ ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ |
| 19:42.38 | abrotman | !why is symlinks not in testing |
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| 19:42.39 | dpkg | symlinks is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=symlinks |
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| 19:43.00 | lindi- | Flimzy: but, you can create a wrapper for 'make' that adds -j for you |
| 19:43.02 | hulu | abrotman: getting it now. thanks |
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| 19:43.07 | PunkZY_home | ÜÊ ÂÌÑ ÍÅÎÑ ËÔÏ ÓÌÙÛÉÔ? |
| 19:43.14 | ircdevil | bah - sod it. x disappeared after upgrade. bloody ati crap |
| 19:43.30 | tarzeau | !by |
| 19:43.30 | dpkg | [by] Belarus |
| 19:43.31 | Bart-mdv- | PunkZY_home: in eng plz |
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| 19:43.39 | tarzeau | !ru |
| 19:43.39 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 19:43.44 | abrotman | Bart-mdv-: you mean .. `please`? |
| 19:43.48 | streuner | PunkZY: don't paste that nasty crap into channel, thanks. |
| 19:43.50 | stouset | Bart-mdv-: Hell, I'd just settle for a sane character encoding. |
| 19:43.59 | reppal | anyone using tvout + 2.6 + matrox g400? |
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| 19:44.11 | lindi- | Flimzy: something like "/usr/bin/make -j2 "$@" to ~/bin/make and make sure ~/bin is first in PATH |
| 19:44.15 | illsci | Whats the best way to get all of gnome installed using apt-get |
| 19:44.17 | illsci | ? |
| 19:44.17 | tarzeau | streuner: i feel like your stuff looks nasty on his end ;) |
| 19:44.26 | stouset | illsci: apt-get install gnome? |
| 19:44.27 | stew | illsci: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 19:44.31 | illsci | i get a ton of dependancies and it doesnt handle them |
| 19:44.34 | N-0-X | i'm back. |
| 19:44.36 | streuner | tarzeau: i don't unterstand? |
| 19:44.39 | PunkZY_home | tnx, you are funny guys :) |
| 19:44.39 | tarzeau | illsci: don't install it |
| 19:44.40 | illsci | i did that and it fails |
| 19:44.45 | lindi- | Flimzy: but be prepared to see packages break when you do that :) |
| 19:44.47 | stouset | illsci: experimental? |
| 19:44.48 | illsci | hunh? |
| 19:44.49 | tarzeau | illsci: you don't have stable |
| 19:44.49 | streuner | tarzeau: chinese? |
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| 19:44.53 | espartano | hi there... is there any other room to resolve beginner questions? |
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| 19:44.56 | tarzeau | streuner: no it was russian |
| 19:45.00 | illsci | ahhhh thats why |
| 19:45.05 | tarzeau | illsci: it's broken. |
| 19:45.07 | stouset | espartano: For Debian? Here. |
| 19:45.07 | abrotman | !ops _victor_ on join spam |
| 19:45.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: _victor_ on join spam |
| 19:45.09 | illsci | ok |
| 19:45.09 | Flimzy | lindi-: that sounds nasty |
| 19:45.12 | *** part/#debian dondelelcaro (~don@archimedes.ucr.edu) |
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| 19:45.15 | tarzeau | illsci: if you want something that works, apt-get install gnustep |
| 19:45.15 | illsci | so remove unstable from my sources |
| 19:45.19 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 19:45.19 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@212.253.136.102] by dondelelcaro |
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| 19:45.23 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 19:45.24 | tarzeau | illsci: nah! i'd remove gnome ;) |
| 19:45.24 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 19:45.28 | illsci | ive never used gnustep |
| 19:45.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 19:45.32 | mentor | feh. |
| 19:45.35 | tarzeau | illsci: now's a good time to start |
| 19:45.39 | PunkZY_home | tarzeau: you are right, it was russian, but i am from Belarus |
| 19:45.40 | illsci | :) how come |
| 19:45.41 | tarzeau | illsci: or you'll end up re-installing |
| 19:45.42 | espartano | ok... thanks stouset |
| 19:45.42 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: looking at the bunch of people that have joined .. many have strange names .. like AGainsT etc |
| 19:45.51 | tarzeau | PunkZY_home: i knkow that as well (see the !by above) |
| 19:45.54 | abrotman | but didn't spam me i guess |
| 19:45.57 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah... none of them have spammed me yet... |
| 19:46.02 | N-0-X | Where can I find the php packages else than at dotdeb? |
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| 19:46.08 | abrotman | N-0-X: in the channel please |
| 19:46.16 | stew | N-0-X: debian.org |
| 19:46.19 | tarzeau | !nickometer N-0-X |
| 19:46.20 | dpkg | 'N-0-X' is 67.000% lame, tarzeau |
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| 19:46.24 | abrotman | N-0-X: don't use dotdeb sources |
| 19:46.37 | mentor | tarzeau: awwww... |
| 19:46.39 | bvillain | anyone here experienced in python? |
| 19:46.44 | quinten | if i want to change the hostname of my machine, what files do i need to change? |
| 19:46.45 | abrotman | #python does! |
| 19:46.47 | stouset | Only 67%? |
| 19:46.49 | espartano | well... I'd like to make a ssh deamon run at startup time... |
| 19:46.50 | bvillain | thanks |
| 19:46.51 | tarzeau | mentor: hey! what happened? |
| 19:46.52 | quinten | /etc/hostname ... but what else? |
| 19:46.59 | stouset | quinten: /etc/hostname =P |
| 19:47.02 | lindi- | quinten: grep -r `hostname` /etc |
| 19:47.02 | tarzeau | quinten: hostname newname |
| 19:47.09 | stew | espartano: apt-get install ssh ; or if its already installed, dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 19:47.10 | tarzeau | quinten: and /etc/hosts then run telinit q |
| 19:47.16 | Flimzy | Has anyone here used MythTV in Debian? Do the (unofficial) packages set up the MySQL database when they're installed? |
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| 19:47.27 | mentor | tarzeau: Only 67%... |
| 19:47.33 | espartano | oh... it already works pretty well |
| 19:47.34 | N-0-X | !nickometer N-0-X |
| 19:47.46 | N-0-X | what is the 'nickometer' ? |
| 19:47.51 | dos000 | anyone plz help .. grub thinks that hd0,0 points to /dev/sda1 and hd2,0 points to /dev/sdc1 while in reality it is the contrary ! |
| 19:47.51 | tarzeau | !nickmeter N-0-X |
| 19:47.52 | dpkg | N-0-X is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 19:47.56 | paulswm | HAH |
| 19:47.59 | mentor | tarzeau: cheat. |
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| 19:48.01 | tarzeau | N-0-X: YOUR NICK NAME IS TOO LARGE |
| 19:48.06 | N-0-X | tarzeau: that doesn't explain me anything :p |
| 19:48.07 | streuner | hehe |
| 19:48.11 | N-0-X | ok,... |
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| 19:48.14 | tarzeau | my eyes! my eyes |
| 19:48.23 | N-0-X | !nickometer tarzeau |
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| 19:48.31 | jla | My sysklogd logs are constantly dumping into the .0 rotations on one of my systems. If they were program-logs, like apache, I'd figure apache didn't get a HUP to re-open it's log files after the rotation. How do you fix this with sysklogd logs? |
| 19:48.33 | abrotman | N-0-X: it sounds to me like you've mucked your sources .. |
| 19:48.38 | espartano | the thing is that I got a link to a script in /etc/init.d... but it doesn't work |
| 19:48.43 | stew | Flimzy: i use mdz's packages and they create the mysql database |
| 19:48.44 | N-0-X | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 19:49.04 | Flimzy | stew: Hrm... I wonder why the backend can't connect to the db then |
| 19:49.10 | abrotman | N-0-X: if you run `apt-get update;apt-get install libapache-mod-php4` .. what does it say ? |
| 19:49.21 | Flimzy | stew: maybe mysql is just fubar (as it always seems to be) |
| 19:49.21 | streuner | N-0-X: the point is to use easy to type nicks, so we can communicate better in IRC ;-) |
| 19:49.34 | stew | Flimzy: check out the mysql logs and see if you see connection attempts/failures |
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| 19:49.41 | espartano | it's on runlevel 2 which is the one my machine boots on |
| 19:49.55 | stew | espartano: can you be more specific than "doesn't work" |
| 19:49.56 | quinten | tarzeau: thanks |
| 19:50.18 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 19:50.18 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 19:50.21 | Chiletix | Hallo, deutsch, engish o Castellano? |
| 19:50.23 | Flimzy | stew: mysql.log/err are both 0 bytes :/ |
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| 19:50.27 | N-0-X | abrotman: i have an error saying that libmm11 is not installable. I've tryied the aptget udate, and tryied to install it again afterwards, and I still have that error... |
| 19:50.29 | paulswm | !beat nicks in caps |
| 19:50.29 | greycat | English. |
| 19:50.31 | streuner | !es |
| 19:50.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:50.35 | Chiletix | ok |
| 19:50.37 | mentor | N-0-X: Also, punctuation and numbers in names usually don't add anything (except lameness) to a nick ... |
| 19:50.45 | stew | Flimzy: are they turned on in /etc/mysql/my.cnf? |
| 19:50.46 | jla | dos000 that can happen, and I'm sure it's documented in info grub, man grub, man update-grub, or man grub-install, but it's been a long time since I had to deal with that. |
| 19:50.55 | Xinux | i found somebodies car keys |
| 19:50.56 | Chiletix | I need help qith my sarge |
| 19:50.56 | Xinux | :D |
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| 19:51.05 | Rsx024 | can any one help me install a video driver or point me in the direction of some documentation my this is my first linux install never used linux once i selected vga during install and screen is very distorted |
| 19:51.09 | streuner | Chiletix: just ask |
| 19:51.09 | mentor | Xinux: Quick, give 'em here... |
| 19:51.11 | N-0-X | streuner: look, N-0-X is MY nick anyways, so, actually, i don't really give a hoot about how 'hard' it is to spell. In fact, if woemone want to talk to, they just will. ;) |
| 19:51.13 | tarzeau | Rsx024: nvidia? |
| 19:51.15 | Flimzy | stew: Perhaps I was trying to start the backedn from the wrong terminal (and therefore as a user, not as root) |
| 19:51.22 | Rsx024 | Intel |
| 19:51.28 | Xinux | mentor: NO, ITS GONNA BE MY CAR!!! |
| 19:51.38 | Flimzy | hrm, or not |
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| 19:51.47 | tarzeau | what's the man called in toy story that fixes woody the cowboy? |
| 19:51.52 | espartano | it doesn't work 'cause when I boot the machine I gotta run sshd again from the shell |
| 19:51.56 | paulswm | mentor: you boot me, you'll prolly get a kernel panic :) |
| 19:51.59 | stew | Flimzy: doublecheck /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt (or something), i gotta run, good luck |
| 19:52.10 | Chiletix | I installed sarge yesterday and now y I have to configure it, how can I configure de video, sound, everything? |
| 19:52.21 | Xinux | wtf |
| 19:52.28 | Xinux | linux is taking up 80% of my RAM |
| 19:52.31 | streuner | Chiletix: what videocard do you have? |
| 19:52.35 | dondelelcaro | !free ram |
| 19:52.35 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 19:52.36 | mentor | !free ram |
| 19:52.38 | N-0-X | mentor: yeah, well, if you think i'm lame, i don't give a s***! Now will you all PLEASE stop talking about my nikc. I'm not here to talk about it, because if I were, i'd go to a chan called something like: #ilovemynickbutiamtheonlyone |
| 19:52.39 | mentor | meh |
| 19:52.43 | Xinux | !freeram |
| 19:52.46 | Xinux | !free ram |
| 19:52.46 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 19:52.48 | streuner | Chiletix: lspci -v | grep -i vga |
| 19:52.51 | dondelelcaro | !free memory |
| 19:52.51 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 19:52.51 | Chiletix | All in wonder Radeon |
| 19:52.52 | jla | dos000 you can modify your grub devices.map file if you disagree with it. I'm pretty sure one of those programs suggests you do that when you run it. |
| 19:52.54 | paulswm | !botabuse |
| 19:52.54 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 19:52.58 | Flimzy | stew: thanks for the help |
| 19:53.02 | Rsx024 | !driver |
| 19:53.02 | dpkg | i guess driver is things that do stuff |
| 19:53.12 | greycat | dear god. |
| 19:53.15 | greycat | !factinfo driver |
| 19:53.15 | dpkg | driver -- created by lance2 <aaa@cs24160133-26.satx.rr.com> at Fri Dec 28 20:57:43 2001 (1231 days); it has been requested 21 times, last by Rsx024, 12s ago. |
| 19:53.23 | abrotman | does dpkg --forget-old-unavail forget crap from sources you've removed ? |
| 19:53.25 | dondelelcaro | obviously a popular factoid |
| 19:53.26 | Rsx024 | i know what a driver is but i need help installing it |
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| 19:53.34 | Cope | what do I need to install to run an nfs server? I appear to have nfs-common; but no /etc/exports, no man exports, no mountd and no nfsd |
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| 19:53.36 | mentor | N-0-X: I already did stop... |
| 19:53.36 | paulswm | What an idiotic factoid |
| 19:53.37 | Rsx024 | or at least bump up me res |
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| 19:53.45 | N-0-X | N-0-X: good =) lol |
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| 19:53.53 | jasoncohen | does debian's KDE have any custom theme or style and are any themes/styles included? |
| 19:53.53 | streuner | Chiletix: What did you use in order to get debian installed, d-i (debian installer sarge)? |
| 19:53.57 | Xinux | All-in-Wonder graphic cards |
| 19:53.59 | Xinux | are really bad |
| 19:54.09 | Xinux | get a Radeon |
| 19:54.10 | j_k | Cope: you need one of the nfs-(kernel|user)-server packages |
| 19:54.10 | kyensial | hi, i changed my screen, and kdm launched the xserver, but i cant see anything |
| 19:54.13 | Xinux | they only cost about 80$ |
| 19:54.13 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: driver is also a golf club (sometimes called a 1 wood) used off of long tees, or the person who controls the steering wheel on a car |
| 19:54.13 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 19:54.15 | mentor | We need a better name to call them obviously... |
| 19:54.17 | Chiletix | from Ati |
| 19:54.17 | kyensial | how can i set up both of screen ? |
| 19:54.25 | Cope | j_k: ok; |
| 19:54.30 | dos000 | jla, is there anywhere else this mapping needs to be corrected ? i happen to have another sata drive and i am not able to mount it for the life of me. maybe it has something to do with it |
| 19:54.33 | Chiletix | anyway |
| 19:54.33 | simonrvn | yummay pointlessness |
| 19:54.39 | streuner | Chiletix: and those drivers doesn't work? |
| 19:54.47 | illsci | whats the x.org X server called |
| 19:54.52 | greycat | dpkg, no, driver is a piece of code, typically in kernelspace (but not always), which allows you to control a piece of hardware. The biggest exception is video drivers for Linux, which are often part of the (userspace) X server. (3D accelerated video drivers are a weird hybrid that have both kernelspace *and* userspace components.) |
| 19:54.53 | Flimzy | Grr... apparantly the mythtv user can't connect to the database. I wish I knew why |
| 19:54.53 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 19:54.55 | tarzeau | illsci: it doesn't exist |
| 19:54.56 | illsci | im doing apt-cache search xorg and I cant find it |
| 19:54.59 | illsci | relaly |
| 19:55.01 | illsci | wow |
| 19:55.02 | Cope | illsci: reginald |
| 19:55.06 | tarzeau | illsci: what's so wow about that? |
| 19:55.09 | illsci | hunh? |
| 19:55.14 | illsci | im just not used to debian i guess |
| 19:55.16 | greycat | illsci: /topic |
| 19:55.17 | dondelelcaro | greycat: aw, no golf and car information? ;-) |
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| 19:55.20 | jla | dos000 should just be /boot/grub/devices.map. Set that right and re-do grub-install |
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| 19:55.35 | Chiletix | i just instaled sarge, and I am a bit newbie here and a I need to configure it |
| 19:55.53 | shingouz | Yeah, at least the golf information should be included... /me ducks and runs |
| 19:55.54 | tarzeau | illsci: reminds me of this: apt-get.mine.nu/woody-holycow.jpg |
| 19:56.13 | streuner | Chiletix: so you still haven't the X-Server configured? |
| 19:56.22 | tarzeau | illsci: 3 years ago they whined about xfree, now they whine about xorg. same shit, different date |
| 19:56.25 | ircdevil | !faq Chiletix |
| 19:56.26 | dpkg | Chiletix: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:56.27 | Chiletix | right |
| 19:56.32 | illsci | im not using unstable anymore |
| 19:56.37 | illsci | i switchec it to stable |
| 19:56.40 | tarzeau | illsci: you've reinstalled? |
| 19:56.40 | simonrvn | same shit, different pile |
| 19:56.47 | tarzeau | illsci: you can't switch to stable! |
| 19:56.49 | Flimzy | GAH! I hate Mysql |
| 19:56.54 | illsci | i never installed any unstable packages |
| 19:56.54 | Xinux | wtf |
| 19:56.55 | streuner | Chiletix: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' say? |
| 19:56.56 | tarzeau | Flimzy: welcome to the club |
| 19:56.56 | dos000 | jla, devices.map has the correct mapping however grub refuses that i use hd2,0 ... replacing it to hd0,0 works which i know is totally wrong ! |
| 19:56.57 | Xinux | flimzy go to heck |
| 19:57.03 | tarzeau | illsci: then you didn't have unstable |
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| 19:57.07 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: yes, this is why you should use postgresql instead |
| 19:57.08 | Xinux | wat would you prefer? |
| 19:57.11 | Flimzy | Xinux: I'm already there, having to use MySQL |
| 19:57.14 | Chiletix | ispci doesnt exist |
| 19:57.17 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: I do use postresql... whenever I have the choice. |
| 19:57.22 | illsci | cant you go to unstable by doing apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:57.24 | Chiletix | not found |
| 19:57.27 | simonrvn | Chiletix: LSPCI |
| 19:57.27 | illsci | with unstable in your sources.list |
| 19:57.29 | illsci | ? |
| 19:57.34 | streuner | Chiletix: ok, apt-get install pciutils |
| 19:57.38 | dos000 | jla, grub refuses that i use hd2,0 in /bootgrub/menu.lst |
| 19:57.41 | jla | dos000 if your devices switch places because of bios settings changing or a drive not spinning up (are they all plugged in, alive, etc) then it gets messed |
| 19:57.43 | streuner | !info pciutils |
| 19:57.44 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: yeah... I'm not happy because one of my hosting providers still hasn't installed postgresql |
| 19:57.48 | dpkg | pciutils: (Linux PCI Utilities), section admin, is optional. Version: 1:2.1.11-15 (sid), Packaged size: 140 kB, Installed size: 492 kB |
| 19:57.49 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: MythTV requires mysql, tho :/ (Perhaps I should see if anyone's gotten it to work with postgres) |
| 19:57.51 | tarzeau | illsci: yes you can. but no more back |
| 19:58.01 | paulswm | postgres > (10*mysql) |
| 19:58.02 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: eh, you can pretty easily hack that to use postgresql |
| 19:58.11 | illsci | ok then I dont have unstable |
| 19:58.16 | illsci | is there a way to tell for sure |
| 19:58.17 | illsci | ? |
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| 19:58.22 | Chiletix | it recognizes my hardware |
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| 19:58.37 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: It doesn't use any mysql-isms that would cause things to break? |
| 19:58.42 | dos000 | jla, they are all plugged in. they are sata drives btw. where else can i see this mapping. i mean the (confused) one grub is using. |
| 19:58.46 | Chiletix | very well |
| 19:58.49 | streuner | Chiletix: ok, can we see the output? |
| 19:58.50 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: all of those mysqlisms can be fixed... |
| 19:58.58 | tarzeau | !seen sussudio |
| 19:58.59 | Chiletix | sorry for my english |
| 19:58.59 | dpkg | sussudio <suss@sussudio.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14h 16m 12s ago, saying: 'spammy!'. |
| 19:59.01 | tarzeau | !sheep |
| 19:59.01 | dpkg | sheep go baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 19:59.08 | Chiletix | for audio or vga |
| 19:59.10 | illsci | tarzeau: how can i tell for sure, because if i have to reinstall i want to do it befor i go home i have a ton of bandwidth here |
| 19:59.10 | tarzeau | !sheep also is http://home.student.uu.se/jasa8697/exjobb/perspective/original.jpg |
| 19:59.11 | dpkg | tarzeau: what are you talking about? |
| 19:59.16 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: I can probably get mysql to work more easily.. and for such a simple project, that would be my preference (even tho I do hate MySWL) |
| 19:59.17 | Flimzy | sql even |
| 19:59.18 | ircdevil | !badger |
| 19:59.40 | streuner | Chiletix: both |
| 19:59.46 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: yeah... I haven't even bothered to rewrite the blootbot to use postgresql... *shrug* |
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| 20:00.06 | Rsx024 | would i have been better off selecting a different graphics mode other than vga during istall?? because i tried vesa once and gnome never even came up |
| 20:00.07 | paulswm | *gasp*, dpkg uses mysql? |
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| 20:00.17 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: yes, unfortunatly. |
| 20:00.24 | dondelelcaro | it's item #3 on the blootbot todo list |
| 20:00.31 | dondelelcaro | or something like that |
| 20:00.36 | paulswm | @comfort dpkg |
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| 20:00.37 | Cope | dpkg nfs is also http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 20:00.37 | dpkg | okay, Cope |
| 20:00.37 | ravenbird | There, there, dpkg. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 20:00.49 | kyensial | i changed my screen, and i cant see my xserver, how can i do ? |
| 20:00.52 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: A quick google search seems to suggest that getting MythTV to work with PostgreSQL will be a huge job (and thus that's why it's not done yet). mostly due to lots of legacy crap and incrimental changes done w/ the MySQL code |
| 20:00.53 | HobNob | hey guys, just wondering, what would the network address be of 10.100.248.187/22 ? |
| 20:00.54 | illsci | honestly Im not even sure what I have for a system at this point |
| 20:01.04 | illsci | I had to use the dell iso to get debian on this laptop |
| 20:01.09 | illsci | and i have a 2.4 kernel |
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| 20:01.17 | gpm | hi guys. i've got a woody box connected to a router with two others (one winxp and one os x). the other two are connecting fine to the 'net, but the woody one can't. here's the weird part: it's also a server, and i can connect to the server remotely no problem, but the box itself can't connect to anything outside the router network...what's up!!!? |
| 20:01.19 | tarzeau | HobNob: 10.100.248.0/22 |
| 20:01.19 | Chiletix | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R100 QD [radeon 7200] (prog -if 00 [VGA]) |
| 20:01.19 | illsci | actually its woody |
| 20:01.23 | tarzeau | HobNob: try ipcalc |
| 20:01.28 | illsci | but I want to go to Sarge I think |
| 20:01.38 | HobNob | hmm 248.0 would be a /24 |
| 20:01.39 | dondelelcaro | illsci: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:01.40 | paulswm | illsci: That's a good idea |
| 20:01.41 | Flimzy | So I guess I'll try to find the MySQL docs again online, and figure out why simple authentication isn't working |
| 20:01.44 | HobNob | not /22 |
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| 20:02.01 | tarzeau | jharrison! |
| 20:02.16 | kyensial | i changed my screen, and i cant see my xserver, how can i do ? |
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| 20:02.24 | jharrison | tarzeau! |
| 20:02.26 | tarzeau | !repeat kyensial |
| 20:02.29 | jharrison | tarzeau: bub-n-bros? |
| 20:02.32 | IDC-1 | night all |
| 20:02.34 | Cope | j_k: all sorted; thanks very much. |
| 20:02.41 | tarzeau | jharrison: nah, you're too late (we've played hours already ;) |
| 20:02.55 | tarzeau | jharrison: AND i packaged 1.4 of it now (but there's quite more borkage in it) |
| 20:02.59 | kyensial | tarzeau : ? |
| 20:03.00 | illsci | sweet |
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| 20:03.18 | illsci | thanks tarzeau appreciate the help |
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| 20:03.55 | jla | dos000 I've had scsi drives change order in the kernel based on what driver gets loaded in which order. Grub sees devices before all that |
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| 20:03.56 | tarzeau | HobNob: it can also be that. if you think ipcalc has a bug, see bts |
| 20:04.22 | bsims | My goodness there is a buttload of updates |
| 20:04.23 | Chiletix | 0000:00:11.5 multimedia Audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 20:04.27 | Chiletix | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R100 QD [radeon 7200] (prog -if 00 [VGA]) |
| 20:04.31 | dos000 | jla, this is freking getting me crazy .. i just cant undestand wht is going on ! |
| 20:04.31 | HobNob | thanks tarzeau |
| 20:04.40 | Chiletix | and now |
| 20:04.43 | Chiletix | ? |
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| 20:05.48 | Cope | debian.hand.org appears to be down :-( |
| 20:05.54 | goron | Could anyone please help me with getting rid of agpgart? It just looks like a virus. I said to hotplug that I don't want it to load it. I said to discover don't load it. It's not in /etc/modules |
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| 20:06.08 | dfzi | eh wtf :E |
| 20:06.12 | QrX | hi all |
| 20:06.13 | muntz | I need to know how to tell udev NOT to laod certain devices so that the modules don't load. Or have I got it backwards |
| 20:06.15 | muntz | ? |
| 20:06.20 | greycat | dfzi: remove all small animals from your keyboard. |
| 20:06.21 | jharrison | tarzeau: ok |
| 20:06.28 | dfzi | greycat, :) |
| 20:06.49 | gpm | nobody?! |
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| 20:07.05 | dfzi | greycat, i was supposed to paste text from .pdf document to other channel... and all of a sudden it changed the channel here and flooded it all to this chan |
| 20:07.08 | Chiletix | sorry got disconected |
| 20:07.16 | Chiletix | what do i have to do now |
| 20:07.27 | illsci | great now my system doesnt boot |
| 20:07.28 | illsci | hhehehe |
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| 20:07.46 | QrX | huge newbie need pv help for debian netinstall |
| 20:07.55 | streuner | Chiletix: compile gatos x-driver and kernel drm driver under debian |
| 20:07.59 | Xinux | lol |
| 20:08.04 | Xinux | lil' late steuner |
| 20:08.10 | Xinux | streuner* |
| 20:08.23 | streuner | i saw it already :-) |
| 20:08.26 | tarzeau | !faq QrX |
| 20:08.27 | dpkg | QrX: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 20:09.11 | goron | greycat: How can I find out what stupid system is loading my modules? |
| 20:09.12 | streuner | Chiletix: compile gatos x-driver and kernel drm driver under debian |
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| 20:09.33 | ribnitz | hello |
| 20:09.45 | greycat | goron: turn on bootlogd if you haven't already. read the start-up transcript *very* carefully. |
| 20:09.46 | QrX | hmm |
| 20:09.49 | ircdevil | hullo |
| 20:09.57 | Chiletix | and how should i do that/ |
| 20:09.59 | greycat | goron: it may take some guesswork. |
| 20:10.01 | Bombo | what do i do when tasksel failed |
| 20:10.03 | greycat | goron: it may take removing discover. |
| 20:10.17 | Bombo | i selected "desktop environment" with tasksel, and the ftp failed |
| 20:10.24 | Bombo | and there is no x at all |
| 20:10.26 | ribnitz | Bombo: use aptitude,or synaptic? |
| 20:10.33 | Vladi | hi, im trying to set up horde3 on debian and everything goes well up untill i try to log in after all setup is done and using imap auth just errors out on line 95 of login.php can somone please help |
| 20:10.37 | Bombo | i apt-setup a new ftp |
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| 20:10.50 | Bombo | but when i select tasksel again it doesnt do a thing |
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| 20:11.04 | ribnitz | Bombo: simply run tasksel again? |
| 20:11.05 | greycat | Bombo: dselect update |
| 20:11.14 | Bombo | ribnitz is it possible to use tasksel again? |
| 20:11.27 | Bombo | greycat i did apt-get update |
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| 20:11.31 | Bombo | its the same? |
| 20:11.32 | ribnitz | Bombo: what could you possibly break? |
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| 20:11.40 | Chiletix | but how can I first configure de Video card with the basic driver, i mean only Radeon |
| 20:11.56 | Bombo | ribnitz the ftp timeoutet and missed some packages i guess |
| 20:11.59 | ribnitz | Bombo: you cant deinstall things using tasksel, but thats not what its for. |
| 20:12.11 | ribnitz | Bombo: apt-get -f install.. |
| 20:12.32 | Bombo | ribnitz: ..? |
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| 20:12.41 | RvGaTe | yo pplz |
| 20:12.54 | streuner | Chiletix: http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:13.10 | goron | greycat: and copies all strings sent to the |
| 20:13.11 | goron | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.13 | Bombo | ribnitz: yes i just want to install "desktop environment" (again) |
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| 20:13.19 | goron | greycat: WHAT logfile? |
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| 20:13.22 | Bombo | becase the first try failed |
| 20:13.44 | RvGaTe | How do i install a HP Deskjet 980C on debian sarge, and share it on the network (to make it a printserver) |
| 20:13.45 | bjk84 | Um, should I install a "safe" installation or with "additional features like modern hardware support" ? |
| 20:13.47 | ribnitz | Anyone got a hint on a (good) designer for gui-dialogs for java? |
| 20:13.51 | qwertz__ | Hi! Is there a faq/howto/anything about using/managing/repairing hardware raids (Adaptect raid controller) for linux (only found software raid faq)? |
| 20:14.09 | Bombo | ribnitz did you mean by ".." that something follows the install? |
| 20:14.18 | bjk84 | Anyone? :/ |
| 20:14.22 | Chiletix | how do I now witch version of xfree i have |
| 20:14.27 | ribnitz | bjk84: We cant answer that for you. Do you prefer an ancient car or an old one? |
| 20:14.28 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 20:14.28 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 20:14.29 | tarzeau | Chiletix: using dpkg -l |
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| 20:14.45 | poorneophyte | qwertz: have you checked out www.linux.org's HOWTO repository |
| 20:14.46 | poorneophyte | ? |
| 20:14.47 | tarzeau | ribnitz: some gui building tool? |
| 20:14.55 | goron | greycat: To what logfile is the output written of bootlogd? |
| 20:14.55 | bjk84 | ribnitz: But I have no idea what the installer mean with "modern hardware support" |
| 20:14.58 | tarzeau | ribnitz: there's Gorm and InterfaceBuuilder but not for java |
| 20:15.18 | streuner | Chiletix: or X --version |
| 20:15.25 | tarzeau | !utsl |
| 20:15.25 | dpkg | hmm... utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 20:15.34 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I have a DB layout in postgresql, and now need to design some input masks.. |
| 20:15.37 | ircdevil | hrm x works again - i think |
| 20:15.44 | ircdevil | brb |
| 20:15.51 | tarzeau | ribnitz: Gorm is excellet for this |
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| 20:16.15 | ribnitz | tarzeau: does it create cobol ocde? |
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| 20:16.42 | ribnitz | tarzeau: gorm.sf.net? |
| 20:16.44 | kzar | anyone having troubles connecting to ftp.uk.debian.org ? |
| 20:16.48 | RvGaTe | How do i install a HP Deskjet 980C on debian sarge, and share it on the network (to make it a printserver)? |
| 20:16.51 | MobyTurbo | ribnitz: Objective-C |
| 20:16.55 | ptlis | I'm being spammed by MoniTor |
| 20:17.01 | ptlis | Is an op about? |
| 20:17.02 | goron | !bootlogd |
| 20:17.02 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028 |
| 20:17.05 | tarzeau | ribnitz: apt-get install gorm |
| 20:17.18 | poorneophyte | Does anyone know why when having installed webmin, webmin-sshd, when accessing webmin via a webbrowser, the sshd module does not show up? |
| 20:17.18 | goron | dpkg: You are the best! |
| 20:17.18 | dpkg | goron: what are you talking about? |
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| 20:17.29 | streuner | ptlis: !ops <foo> is a on-join spambot |
| 20:17.45 | tarzeau | poorneophyte: checked BTS yet? |
| 20:17.51 | ptlis | !ops MoniTor is a on-join spambot |
| 20:17.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: MoniTor is a on-join spambot |
| 20:17.56 | ptlis | Thanks streuner |
| 20:17.57 | RvGaTe | !printserver |
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| 20:18.04 | poorneophyte | tarzeau: what's BTS? |
| 20:18.06 | RvGaTe | :( |
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| 20:18.11 | goron | !BTS |
| 20:18.11 | tarzeau | !bts |
| 20:18.11 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:18.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 20:18.20 | smacnay__ | When I set my cups config to set pages at "US letter" and then print a doc created with TeX/LaTeX, the text is not centered on the page. There is a very large bottom footer (blank) and a larger left margin than right. The CUPS test doc output is centered pretty well, though. Any ideas? |
| 20:18.22 | LoRez | greycat: klined |
| 20:18.26 | greycat | ok |
| 20:18.28 | quinten | what is the name of that package that will let you automatically update your packages for security holes? |
| 20:18.29 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@81.212.228.20] by greycat |
| 20:18.31 | quinten | can't think of the right keyword |
| 20:18.34 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 20:18.44 | RvGaTe | greycat ! |
| 20:18.45 | RvGaTe | y:) |
| 20:18.51 | RvGaTe | long time no see :P |
| 20:19.02 | ribnitz | smacnay__: does your latex know about the pagesize? |
| 20:19.14 | MobyTurbo | greycat, LoRez: thanks |
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| 20:19.27 | poorneophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.27 | dpkg | no problem, poorneophyte |
| 20:19.30 | ribnitz | smacnay__: \documentclass[a4paper]{article}... |
| 20:19.33 | TonyB2005 | is there a netinst disk for unstable |
| 20:19.36 | smacnay__ | ribnitz: hmmm, I am using default settings in the latex doc. No options for pagesize have been used. |
| 20:19.51 | smacnay__ | ribnitz: ah, let me try that. Or [letter] |
| 20:19.53 | MobyTurbo | poorneophyte: er, dpkg is a bot |
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| 20:20.06 | dondelelcaro | MobyTurbo: hey, you can thank the bot too... |
| 20:20.12 | dondelelcaro | MobyTurbo: it's got feelings, you know. |
| 20:20.24 | ribnitz | smacnay__: if you tell your pagesize to latex, it will better be able to fit the page. |
| 20:20.33 | MobyTurbo | !are you a bot? |
| 20:20.43 | ribnitz | smacnay__: other options are pstops,ps2ps with the ps.. |
| 20:20.46 | RvGaTe | i hate it when pplz dont read your question :( |
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| 20:21.08 | jim | RvGaTe: someone didn't read my question??!?!!! |
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| 20:21.35 | iratsu | how can i kill this?: 9651 pts/0 Zl+ 0:18 [gtkpod] <defunct> |
| 20:21.40 | RvGaTe | jim: what you mean ? |
| 20:21.45 | Cope | dpkg netselect is also netselect-apt will find the fastest debian mirror and write a sources.list file for you! |
| 20:21.45 | dpkg | Cope: okay |
| 20:21.46 | MobyTurbo | hmm, guess not then. ;-) |
| 20:21.50 | ribnitz | iratsu: kill -9, |
| 20:21.51 | tarzeau | iratsu: you can't |
| 20:21.53 | tarzeau | ribnitz: NO |
| 20:21.58 | iratsu | ribnitz: doesn't work |
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| 20:22.05 | tarzeau | !defunct |
| 20:22.05 | RvGaTe | brb |
| 20:22.05 | c01100011 | i want to setup xf86config to dual (clone) output to my tv and monitor at different resolutions, i think xinerma is the way to do this but i am not sure, can anyone give me some guidance on how to set this up ? |
| 20:22.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, defunct is a zombie process (ask me about "zombie") |
| 20:22.10 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone got a debian package for java so I can just freaking apt-get it? I hate java... installed it like 30 times doesnt work.. |
| 20:22.10 | tarzeau | !zombie |
| 20:22.10 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 20:22.23 | jim | RvGaTe: you just said someone didn't read my question!! |
| 20:22.26 | jeff_ | hey, i am having a problem with my x server. Yesterday i tried to change the video card driver from vesa to tdfx to accomodate a voodoo 3dfx card. Somewhere in going through dpkg-reconfigure, i changed a setting for the mouse, so now the x server wont start because it cannot find a core pointer. Ive checked the /dev path, and it is right. Ive also tried going through dpkg-reconfigure again, but the same problem occurs. and help? |
| 20:22.26 | ribnitz | iratsu: if its defunct, you can only hope for the periodic cleanup to take it away. |
| 20:22.28 | kzar | where can i find a list of official sources for apt-get? |
| 20:22.39 | tarzeau | kzar: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 20:22.45 | iratsu | ribnitz: i see |
| 20:22.48 | greycat | kzar: run 'apt-setup' |
| 20:22.54 | ribnitz | smacnay__: better? |
| 20:22.58 | Cope | dpkg tell TwistedEmotions about install java |
| 20:23.00 | c01100011 | jeff - did u manually edit the xf86 file at any point ? |
| 20:23.00 | jim | RvGaTe: seriously... look how jeff_ just asked |
| 20:23.03 | kzar | great thanks |
| 20:23.08 | TwistedEmotions | Cope: already did it.. |
| 20:23.16 | jeff_ | c01100011: yes |
| 20:23.22 | TonyB2005 | um |
| 20:23.22 | TonyB2005 | um |
| 20:23.22 | jim | he put lot n lotsa details |
| 20:23.24 | TonyB2005 | is there a netinst disk for unstable |
| 20:23.25 | jeff_ | to try to fix the problem |
| 20:23.35 | streuner | !d-i TonyB2005 |
| 20:23.35 | dpkg | TonyB2005, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:23.53 | ircdevil | after upgrading to sarge fvwm pager is gone. why? |
| 20:23.56 | TonyB2005 | thats testing...not unstable i think |
| 20:24.00 | c01100011 | jeff then dpkg- will not make changes , read the top of xf86- run the commands then use dpkg to re setup your file |
| 20:24.04 | jim | TonyB2005: no, you'd have to upgrade from testing |
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| 20:24.16 | Chiletix | now I have installed de gatos driver |
| 20:24.19 | TwistedEmotions | dpkg tell me about java-package |
| 20:24.19 | jim | unless someone provided something I don't know about |
| 20:24.22 | smacnay__ | ribnitz: still looking and trying different settings |
| 20:24.25 | jeff_ | c01100011: i did run the dpkg when the x server was started, but realized it and closed it down, then ran it again. could that have flawed iut somehow? |
| 20:24.28 | TonyB2005 | i have sarge and want to go to unstable |
| 20:24.36 | Chiletix | What should i do now? |
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| 20:25.00 | streuner | Chiletix: run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' as root |
| 20:25.01 | RvGaTe | ok, back again |
| 20:25.10 | Gnurdux | i heard sarge will come out soon |
| 20:25.21 | Gnurdux | what will the next one be? |
| 20:25.33 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite Gnurdux |
| 20:25.33 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Gnurdux. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:25.35 | c01100011 | jeff - shouldn't be a problem - i would jujst restore xf86 config back so dpkg can edit it , and redo the setup instead of trouble shooting the mouse problem and manualy fixing it |
| 20:25.37 | jeff_ | c01100011: i have run dpkg-reconfigure so many times though |
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| 20:25.47 | ribnitz | smacnay__: latex gets extremely complicated once you go beyond. |
| 20:25.51 | MobyTurbo | Gnurdux: oh, the next one will be called "etch" |
| 20:25.53 | Gnurdux | also, will they put 2.6.11 and gnome 2.10 in testing? |
| 20:25.56 | Gnurdux | etch? |
| 20:25.58 | TonyB2005 | so how do i upgrade from sarge |
| 20:25.59 | c01100011 | jeff- if you mannualy edit at any point dpkg- isn't making any changes to the file |
| 20:26.06 | jeff_ | c01100011: how would i restore the file |
| 20:26.16 | Gnurdux | TonyB2005, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 20:26.20 | ribnitz | Gnurdux: if its frozen, probably not. |
| 20:26.30 | Gnurdux | i know THAT |
| 20:26.31 | takatumi | ribnitz: lyx? |
| 20:26.36 | Gnurdux | i mean after RELEASE |
| 20:26.40 | Gnurdux | right AWAY |
| 20:26.44 | RvGaTe | How do i install a HP Deskjet 980C on sarge, and share it on the network... |
| 20:26.47 | RvGaTe | ? |
| 20:26.48 | RvGaTe | :) |
| 20:26.59 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: sure |
| 20:27.02 | TonyB2005 | kk |
| 20:27.08 | c01100011 | jeff read the information at the top of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 20:27.09 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: but by then 2.12 is probably out or 3.0 |
| 20:27.10 | ribnitz | takatumi: I meant: once you go beyond what is doable with more or less simple latex macros (ie. TeX).. |
| 20:27.18 | jeff_ | c01100011: aight, thanks man |
| 20:27.19 | Gnurdux | not 3.0 |
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| 20:27.26 | Gnurdux | there is actually gonna b2 a 2.7 |
| 20:27.29 | ribnitz | takatumi: And Lyx doesnt nearly cover LaTeX |
| 20:27.33 | Chiletix | It tells mi that xserver-xfree86 is not instaled |
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| 20:27.38 | Gnurdux | and it wont come out for a couple years |
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| 20:27.46 | pipeline | RvGaTe: first, make sure that your printer is workable. Check www.linuxprinting.org |
| 20:27.54 | MobyTurbo | Gnurdux: after Sarge becomes Stable, sid, and hopefully testing (etch) will have these more recent packages. |
| 20:28.00 | takatumi | ribnitz: haven't tried either of it, but was thinking of dabbling with lyx. |
| 20:28.03 | RvGaTe | pipeline: its workable |
| 20:28.19 | RvGaTe | pipeline: already checked that, but im having troubles with installing it |
| 20:28.21 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: you're a gnome developer? |
| 20:28.24 | ircdevil | heh - the last 3 year i have never had to deal with adjusting fvwm, but now after upgrading ... |
| 20:28.28 | pipeline | RvGaTe: secondly, install the following packages: cupsys, cupsys-bsd, gs-esp, hpijs, foomatic-gui, foomatic-filters, foomatic-filters-ppds, gnome-cups-manager (optional) |
| 20:28.37 | Gnurdux | no |
| 20:28.39 | Gnurdux | but i love gnome |
| 20:28.44 | pipeline | RvGaTe: Thirdly, run foomatic-gui and set up your printer. |
| 20:28.44 | RvGaTe | pipeline: all of those ? :S |
| 20:28.45 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: retarded |
| 20:28.57 | Gnurdux | gnome rox |
| 20:29.05 | pipeline | RvGaTe: Fourthly, access cups via the web or through gnome-cups-manager and make sure that foomatic-gui did it right. |
| 20:29.08 | Chiletix | It tells mi that xserver-xfree86 is not instaled |
| 20:29.09 | ribnitz | takatumi: Basic latex (actually quite alot of it) can be learnt i half a day, all you need is your favorite text editor, and latex. |
| 20:29.10 | pipeline | RvGaTe: And that's it, you should be set. |
| 20:29.10 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: worst shit i've ever seen. esp. the file selector |
| 20:29.12 | Gnurdux | sid HAS 2.10 and prolyl 2.6.10 at least |
| 20:29.17 | Gnurdux | i like it |
| 20:29.20 | Gnurdux | byt wgarecer |
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| 20:29.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's uhm .. fixed ? |
| 20:29.27 | tarzeau | Gnurdux: by 2.6.10 you mean linux? |
| 20:29.34 | streuner | Chiletix: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 20:29.38 | pipeline | RvGaTe: Yes, all of those. CUPS is incredibly complicated. Maximum overkill is the easiest way to get things working. Alternatively, you can buy and read a thousand page book and attempt to set it up by hand. |
| 20:29.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: like in not resizable? |
| 20:29.44 | c01100011 | i want to setup xf86config to dual (clone) output to my tv(svideo(640x480) and monitor(1280x1024) at the specified resolutions, i think xinerma may be what i need to use to do this but i am not sure, can anyone give me some guidance on how to set this up ? |
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| 20:29.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: i mean more like the buttons raped to show directories of a path |
| 20:29.53 | takatumi | ribnitz: I need to write business cases in it. |
| 20:30.00 | takatumi | or with it. |
| 20:30.08 | streuner | Chiletix: another thing, adress the people with the nick, its pretty hard to see when you are talking... |
| 20:30.19 | takatumi | or stalking... |
| 20:30.22 | ribnitz | takatumi: Half a day to learn LaTeX |
| 20:30.35 | takatumi | ribnitz: ok, will try. |
| 20:30.35 | ribnitz | takatumi: lemme dig out the thing I used to learn it.. |
| 20:30.40 | Chiletix | oka |
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| 20:31.00 | nydust | how do i see my disk that are not mounted? |
| 20:31.05 | Chiletix | streuner: what do I have to do now, sorry |
| 20:31.13 | Xinux | does it have to be mounted to view it? |
| 20:31.16 | Xinux | on mine it doesn't |
| 20:31.17 | tarzeau | nydust: fdisk -l |
| 20:31.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: never tried to resize it .. sorry |
| 20:31.28 | streuner | Chiletix: read the factoid i sent you |
| 20:31.28 | tarzeau | nydust: you als can run file -s on the devices |
| 20:31.36 | streuner | !tell Chiletix about setup x |
| 20:31.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: what about browsing around? that's a nightmare |
| 20:31.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's really frustrating me |
| 20:31.49 | TonyB2005 | !tell me about setup x |
| 20:32.03 | smacnay__ | ribnitz: if I set my paper size to "US letter" in CUPS and my documents to "a4paper" in LaTeX, the ouput is ok. |
| 20:32.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: when's the last time you tried it ? |
| 20:32.06 | RvGaTe | pipeline: installing |
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| 20:32.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: it was a very recent version, 3-5 months ago |
| 20:32.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: in sarge ? |
| 20:32.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: sid |
| 20:32.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: so .. gnome2.2 maybe? |
| 20:32.52 | TwistedEmotions | how do I add conrib to my apt sources? |
| 20:33.01 | TwistedEmotions | just add a line contric? |
| 20:33.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: no 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 20:33.06 | TwistedEmotions | *contrib |
| 20:33.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't remember, maybe both even |
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| 20:33.16 | smacnay__ | ribnitz: CUPS setting makes sense as I am using US letter (8 1/2 x 11 in) paper. The a4 setting in latex baffles me a bit but I will live with it for now. |
| 20:33.22 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: what pkg do you want from contrib? |
| 20:33.26 | nydust | thanks |
| 20:33.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: i think the file selector got fixed in 2.8 :0 |
| 20:33.43 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:33.45 | ircdevil | two problems after upgrading to sarge (for now). 1) firefox will not start: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server, blablabla. 2) fvwm pager disappeared ? |
| 20:33.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: screenshot? |
| 20:33.56 | pipeline | RvGaTe: That's going to be at least a hundred megabytes of packages, plus their dependencies. |
| 20:34.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: not from here :) |
| 20:34.04 | tarzeau | ircdevil: from woody? |
| 20:34.07 | ribnitz | smacnay__: do you finally print to US Letter? |
| 20:34.07 | pipeline | ircdevil: connection refused = run afoul of X security. |
| 20:34.10 | tarzeau | ircdevil: i can ack 2) |
| 20:34.20 | ircdevil | tarzeau: yes |
| 20:34.23 | RvGaTe | pipeline: 205mb, downloading with 500kb/s, shou;dn't take long |
| 20:34.24 | smacnay__ | ribnitz: yes - 8.5 x 11 inch. |
| 20:34.25 | c01100011 | ircdevil-are you trying to start firefox from command? , are you root ? |
| 20:34.32 | tarzeau | ircdevil: for 1) get a real browser |
| 20:34.35 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau Im trying to follow the dpkg <java-package> instructions.. I created a .deb package... then it sais " This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your sources.list" |
| 20:34.37 | pipeline | RvGaTe: People tend to bitch. |
| 20:34.57 | ircdevil | tarzeau: i have been using galeon for years - was gonna test firefox |
| 20:35.01 | ribnitz | takatumi: ftp://cam.ctan.org/tex-archive/documentation/gentle |
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| 20:35.15 | ircdevil | c01100011: from command yes, root no |
| 20:35.18 | RvGaTe | pipeline: something about locales... |
| 20:35.25 | RvGaTe | pipeline: at the setup |
| 20:35.33 | ribnitz | smacnay__: then tell latex you use that.. |
| 20:35.36 | usual | is there a how-to or tutorial somewhere that will guide me through setting up a debian snort/BASE box? |
| 20:35.37 | pipeline | RvGaTe: Figure it out. |
| 20:35.42 | smacnay__ | ribnitz: maybe my idea of default layout in latex is misconstrued. Maybe there is supposed to be a very large footer area and a larger left margin than right. |
| 20:35.44 | ribnitz | smacnay__: probalby called letter.. |
| 20:35.44 | RvGaTe | pipeline: bitch :P |
| 20:35.50 | pipeline | RvGaTe: Go fuck yourself, bud. |
| 20:36.01 | smacnay__ | ribnitz: letterpaper I think |
| 20:36.04 | RvGaTe | pipeline: lol, ok that was funny |
| 20:36.15 | ircdevil | tarzeau: you use fvwm? |
| 20:36.16 | ribnitz | smacnay__: I think you can actually set the margins. |
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| 20:36.20 | nydust | how do i start the fdisk app from the installer? |
| 20:36.26 | tarzeau | ircdevil: at work. yes |
| 20:36.32 | ribnitz | nydust: cfdisk |
| 20:36.34 | dondelelcaro | nydust: drop to a console and run fdisk. the installer uses cfdisk |
| 20:36.34 | tarzeau | ircdevil: http://nic.phys.ethz.ch |
| 20:36.42 | smacnay__ | ribnitz: I can, I know there is some command to do so. |
| 20:36.54 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: Just kidding.. I got it to work ;) Weeeee... gj me |
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| 20:37.22 | ribnitz | smacnay__: However, try to change settings as little as possible. The defaults work fairly well for me. |
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| 20:37.28 | ircdevil | tarzeau: (heh - i have checeked that site out some time ago) - anyhows, in brief - can you tell me the differences between woody fvwm and sarge? |
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| 20:37.56 | tarzeau | ircdevil: i started from scratch redoing our woody config on sarge ;) |
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| 20:38.01 | tarzeau | ircdevil: #fvwm was of help |
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| 20:38.24 | RvGaTe | pipeline: i sure hope you didn't mean that |
| 20:38.32 | ribnitz | tarzeau: that gorm generates what kind of code? |
| 20:38.32 | ircdevil | tarzeau: hm ok - i better get a browser going |
| 20:38.39 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: do you know how I can find instructions on how to build a .deb package out of all the softwares out there? Like if I want to install a newer verison of a software then is available through apt-get? |
| 20:38.41 | tarzeau | ribnitz: freezed objects |
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| 20:38.50 | tarzeau | ribnitz: ask #gnustep |
| 20:38.50 | smacnay__ | ribnitz: I agree. I don't want to need to change the default settings at all. |
| 20:38.56 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: see the nm guide |
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| 20:39.03 | dondelelcaro | !tell TwistedEmotions -about nm guide |
| 20:39.07 | Flimzy | I've set MySQL's bind address to 10.0.2.1, and I can connect just fine to it from another machine... but I cannot connect from the local machine to its own IP address. WTF is up with that? |
| 20:39.13 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 20:39.14 | nydust | how do i make a ext3 part? |
| 20:39.17 | ribnitz | smacnay__: All I usually do is adapt fornts and centering on the titlepage. |
| 20:39.19 | tarzeau | nydust: mkfs.ext3 |
| 20:39.26 | nydust | aha |
| 20:39.33 | tarzeau | nydust: err wait, you mean (c)fdisk ? |
| 20:39.38 | Chiletix | now it looks like a normal computer |
| 20:39.39 | TonyB2005 | on netinst, if have two network cards, how do i tell it which one to pick |
| 20:39.40 | cureless | that's a ext3 fs, not part. |
| 20:39.43 | Debian\Pwns | can anyone help please. On this webmail thing i am getting this ... Bad request: The IMAP server is reporting that plain text logins are disabled. Using CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 authentication instead may work. Also, the use of TLS may allow SquirrelMail to login. Please contact your system administrator and report this error. |
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| 20:39.51 | smacnay__ | ribnitz: to be fair, the CUPS test print for both A4 and Letter are not perfectly centered either (with this printer and driver). |
| 20:39.55 | Debian\Pwns | i was wondering if any1 could tell me how i could enable text-based logins |
| 20:40.05 | greycat | no, any1 can't tell you. he's a moron. |
| 20:40.05 | nydust | yes |
| 20:40.16 | greycat | Debian\Pwns: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 20:40.18 | Chiletix | streuner: now it looks like a normal computer |
| 20:40.20 | cureless | Debian\Pwns: did you disable them? |
| 20:40.20 | greycat | assuming that's what you meant. |
| 20:40.27 | ribnitz | smacnay__: the burden of affordable printing.. |
| 20:40.38 | Debian\Pwns | no i didnt |
| 20:40.50 | streuner | Chiletix: you need a window manager too |
| 20:40.54 | nydust | i think its working |
| 20:40.55 | smacnay__ | ribnitz: yes, as in a free Canon bjc 4000 printer :( |
| 20:41.00 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: tarzeau: Thanks... will read both.. |
| 20:41.03 | cureless | Debian\Pwns: then they're there. Control-Alt-F1 |
| 20:41.17 | nydust | did an mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdd |
| 20:41.18 | streuner | Chiletix: try |
| 20:41.21 | ribnitz | smacnay__: feeding the paper straight? |
| 20:41.22 | tarzeau | nydust: wrong |
| 20:41.32 | c01100011 | TwistedEmotions- kill your X |
| 20:41.33 | nydust | oki |
| 20:41.34 | Debian\Pwns | i am using uw-imapd .. i got it through apt-get .. |
| 20:41.37 | streuner | Chiletix: try 'wmaker' or 'openbox' |
| 20:41.38 | tarzeau | nydust: you want to do that on /dev/hddN where N is a number starting from 1 |
| 20:41.51 | nydust | aha |
| 20:41.52 | ircdevil | trying to start mozilla i get one of these Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server - permission crap - howto solve? |
| 20:41.55 | tarzeau | nydust: actually you can do what you did, but it's really not what one usually does |
| 20:41.58 | Chiletix | streuner: I have Kde installed |
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| 20:42.05 | TwistedEmotions | c01100011: You want me to turn off GUI? |
| 20:42.06 | tarzeau | cureless: yes it does |
| 20:42.11 | streuner | Chiletix: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:42.12 | Chiletix | streuner: and gnome |
| 20:42.16 | tarzeau | cureless: there's plenty of usb storage sticks that get shipped like that |
| 20:42.16 | ribnitz | nydust: 1) create the partition (type linux) in cfdisk 2) mkfs -t ext3 (or xfs, or jfs,...) of the partition |
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| 20:42.21 | c01100011 | TwistedEmotions - that will give u a text based login |
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| 20:42.26 | TonyB2005 | i need to tell the netinst to use a wireless usb card, instead of an ethernet card |
| 20:42.34 | cureless | tarzeau: you mean with vfat.. |
| 20:42.40 | TwistedEmotions | c01100011: Ok... and why would I do that? |
| 20:42.45 | nydust | oki |
| 20:42.46 | tarzeau | cureless: doesn't matter you can do that with any fs |
| 20:42.47 | RvGaTe | pipeline: i cant run foomatic-gui, becoz im working remote (ssh) |
| 20:43.02 | cureless | tarzeau: no, I meant, shipped with. |
| 20:43.02 | tarzeau | cureless: there's floppies on /dev/fd0 with ext2 |
| 20:43.10 | tarzeau | cureless: yeah |
| 20:43.19 | tarzeau | ircdevil: tried links2 -g ? |
| 20:43.36 | nydust | how do i see the drives that are mounted? |
| 20:43.44 | tarzeau | nydust: mount |
| 20:43.46 | ribnitz | nydust: mounr |
| 20:43.48 | ribnitz | er mount |
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| 20:43.55 | pipeline | RvGaTe: Well, you don't have to run foomatic-gui, but you would have to install foomatic-bin, then. |
| 20:43.58 | cureless | tarzeau: I was just wondering if mkfs would give you a warning or something. |
| 20:44.04 | TwistedEmotions | c01100011: I know how to get to the consul but why do you want me to? |
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| 20:44.19 | tarzeau | cureless: it doesn't |
| 20:44.20 | TwistedEmotions | c01100011: I just use the terminal button.. |
| 20:44.21 | ircdevil | tarzeau: yes way back - but i damn dillo is fast!!! |
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| 20:44.22 | Chiletix | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 20:44.24 | nydust | yeah its working and its added to the fstab |
| 20:44.25 | ribnitz | cureless: mkfs usually supposes you know what you are doing. the jfs one warns though. |
| 20:44.27 | nydust | thanks alot |
| 20:44.28 | cureless | tarzeau: that's nice :-) |
| 20:44.37 | tarzeau | cureless: it's correct |
| 20:44.39 | streuner | Chiletix: ok, what does 'uname -a' say? |
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| 20:44.44 | cureless | (that it doesn't give you a warning) |
| 20:44.51 | tarzeau | ircdevil: links2 -g is fast too! |
| 20:45.10 | c01100011 | TwistedEmotions- i thought the console is what you were refering to when you wanted a Text login |
| 20:45.13 | tarzeau | ircdevil: and runs without X but still graphically |
| 20:45.15 | cureless | You never know when you might misstype the partition and the wham! your whole disk is gone. |
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| 20:45.24 | tarzeau | cureless: agree |
| 20:45.32 | dos000 | anyone familiar with vsftpd ? i am trying to make it liten to another port ... |
| 20:45.36 | tarzeau | cureless: what's worse mkfs overwrites inodes |
| 20:45.44 | ircdevil | tarzeau: i dont quite know the differences in the two projects, but i can tell from the dillo stuff that they want fast - evil fast. i just fancy links for their text-only browser |
| 20:45.44 | smacnay__ | ribnitz: best I can. |
| 20:45.45 | cureless | like when you do an rm -rf something/* and insert a space before the * |
| 20:45.56 | tarzeau | cureless: so if you do it on an exisitng ext2/3 , that's like pissing |
| 20:46.04 | Borg^Queen | Hi people. I'm trying to install a kernel heard, however it keeps telling me it needs another kernel header to install. So I'm a little confused. |
| 20:46.09 | tarzeau | ircdevil: links2 is graphical! |
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| 20:46.18 | TwistedEmotions | c01100011: Ohh... uhhh... ? I didnt ask for a text login...? |
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| 20:46.28 | Chiletix | streuner: Linux andreas 2.4.27-1-386 #1 Fri Sep 3 06:24:46 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:46.35 | tarzeau | ircdevil: go try it. NOW! www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/links.jpg |
| 20:46.37 | ircdevil | tarzeau: i know - but links1 was not |
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| 20:46.44 | tarzeau | ircdevil: links1 never existed |
| 20:46.47 | tarzeau | ircdevil: it was links 0.x |
| 20:46.55 | Borg^Queen | kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-k7 depends on kernel-headers-2.6.11-1 |
| 20:46.55 | tarzeau | ircdevil: and there's elinks too |
| 20:47.01 | ribnitz | smacnay__: loook at it the other way, I have a cheap laser printer that does postscript, and the printer usually runs out of memory, and jams paper |
| 20:47.02 | Ry12 | whats this mean The following packages have been kept back: |
| 20:47.03 | Ry12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.07 | c01100011 | TwistedEmotions- ohh sorry, must have read your name and a someone elses message |
| 20:47.10 | Borg^Queen | That's what it keeps telling me |
| 20:47.12 | ircdevil | tarzeau: sure sure :o) |
| 20:47.34 | streuner | Chiletix: good, run 'lsmod | grep -i 810' and look is there an module called i810_audio listed |
| 20:47.37 | TwistedEmotions | c01100011: :) All good... was just confused... thought you wanted me to run some command or something ; ) |
| 20:47.52 | ircdevil | tarzeau: should were time rendering some big ugly site: links2 vs dillo ? |
| 20:47.59 | c01100011 | TwistedEmotions- so i had your box rooted ;) |
| 20:48.04 | ircdevil | s/were/we/ |
| 20:48.26 | Borg^Queen | hello? |
| 20:48.27 | greycat | ircdevil: you need figure-skating-judge score cards, too. for the aesthetics. |
| 20:48.37 | tarzeau | ircdevil: sure. you do it. say www.mirror.org/goatse ? |
| 20:48.49 | Chiletix | streuner: there are no modules |
| 20:49.02 | ircdevil | greycat: heh - ill be the russion referee |
| 20:49.06 | streuner | Chiletix: no modules at all? |
| 20:49.11 | tarzeau | ircdevil: certainly i like the bookmark handling of links2 |
| 20:49.12 | TwistedEmotions | c01100011: Just kiddng ;) Bored.. |
| 20:49.12 | streuner | Chiletix: with lsmod? |
| 20:49.31 | c01100011 | !hurt TwistedEmotions |
| 20:49.34 | Debian\Pwns | does anyone know where i can download uw-imapd in a tar or sumthin? |
| 20:49.36 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 20:49.39 | greycat | !pal Debian\Pwns |
| 20:49.52 | Chiletix | streuner: when I run lsmod by itsel there are plenty of modules |
| 20:49.58 | ircdevil | tarzeau: hrm, i just upgraded this box, so i just recieved a new version of both. i have to look into them :o) |
| 20:50.02 | TonyB2005 | !pal Tonyb2005 |
| 20:50.05 | lef | I am trying to follow: http://aron.hakanson.se/cgi-bin/index.pl?sida=virtexim4&sprak=en for exim4 on sarge but I don't know where the omains_virtual: driver = redirect data = ${lookup{$local_part@$domain}lsearch{/etc/exim/aliases.virtual}} should go |
| 20:50.10 | TonyB2005 | :O |
| 20:50.10 | greycat | Debian\Pwns: try "apt-get install dovecot" or something. |
| 20:50.10 | Flimzy | Alright... so #mysql is full of morons... Can anyone here explain why Mysql would accept connections from a remote machine, but deny access when connecting from the local machine? |
| 20:50.16 | tarzeau | i hate \ in nicknames |
| 20:50.23 | tarzeau | oh well as long as they don't put XML in their nicknames |
| 20:50.38 | streuner | Chiletix: ok, /msg dpkg paste and show us the full list of the modules (lsmod) |
| 20:50.55 | RvGaTe | pipeline: im kinda stuck here... when i try to connect to http://<ip>:631 is says forbiddin |
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| 20:51.08 | RvGaTe | *forbidden |
| 20:51.20 | Chiletix | streuner: sound is working |
| 20:51.24 | TwistedEmotions | XML was owned by someone else.. |
| 20:51.35 | streuner | Chiletix: very good :-) |
| 20:51.47 | Chiletix | streuner: how can I mount my partitions |
| 20:52.16 | streuner | Chiletix: man mount, man fstab |
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| 20:52.54 | TwistedEmotions | Chiletix: First pull then out of the computer... then put a saddle on them ... then mount. |
| 20:53.10 | Borg^Queen | Hello? |
| 20:53.23 | poorneophyte | hi borg^queen |
| 20:53.25 | TwistedEmotions | Borg^Queen: Hello? |
| 20:53.38 | Borg^Queen | Hi, ok I didn't think I was connected |
| 20:53.44 | Borg^Queen | My isp is doing upgrades |
| 20:53.47 | TwistedEmotions | Borg^Queen: your not. |
| 20:53.52 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 20:53.57 | Borg^Queen | Here's the error msg |
| 20:54.04 | poorneophyte | borg^queen: you're not. your irc client is really a sophisticated AI program |
| 20:54.06 | Borg^Queen | dependency problems prevent configuration of kernel-headers-2.6.11-1-k7: |
| 20:54.06 | Borg^Queen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:54.18 | Borg^Queen | poorneophyte: Im the AI |
| 20:54.28 | Borg^Queen | I need information |
| 20:54.40 | TwistedEmotions | poorneophyte: Ignore the AI... they're freaking annoying.. |
| 20:54.43 | greycat | no no no... it's "number five need innnnput!" |
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| 20:54.48 | Chiletix | TwistedEmotions: of coarse, what else should I do. Sorry for teh stupid qwestion i made |
| 20:54.57 | Borg^Queen | So clearly I need another package but where? I can't find it |
| 20:55.15 | Borg^Queen | greycat: yes but I was also thinking "The Prisoner" |
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| 20:55.21 | TwistedEmotions | Chiletix: Im just kidding... just google it.. that's what I did... easy to mount drives.. |
| 20:55.48 | Chiletix | TwistedEmotions: me to |
| 20:55.53 | Borg^Queen | So where would I find this header? |
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| 20:56.10 | Bombo | is there a better was to configure xfree than $EDITOR /etc/X11/Xf86config ? |
| 20:56.11 | Borg^Queen | It doesn't seem to be on the site where I got the kernel packages to begin with |
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| 20:56.19 | Bombo | is there a debian way? |
| 20:56.21 | greycat | Bombo: that way would be really, really bad. |
| 20:56.26 | greycat | Bombo: since that's not the right file. |
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| 20:56.36 | TwistedEmotions | Borg^Queen: Are you trying to build your own kernel? |
| 20:56.42 | Bombo | greycat: will you tell me? |
| 20:56.47 | Borg^Queen | Nope, install prebuilds |
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| 20:56.48 | greycat | !drxx Bombo |
| 20:56.49 | dpkg | Bombo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 20:57.18 | Debian\Pwns | i am using dovecot.. and on this webmail thing when i try to login i am getting "ERROR : Connection dropped by imap-server." and "Query: CAPABILITY" |
| 20:57.22 | Debian\Pwns | can anyone help? |
| 20:57.22 | lasala | whats the command i need to know to map a network drive via SNMP? |
| 20:57.32 | abrotman | you can map drives via snmp ? |
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| 20:57.38 | greycat | lasala: to *what*? |
| 20:57.52 | RvGaTe | pipeline: please dude, dont just ignore me... |
| 20:57.55 | karsten | abrotman: Whydat? |
| 20:57.59 | lasala | well i have this snap fileserver which supports SNMP |
| 20:58.00 | Borg^Queen | TwistedEmotions: do you know where I'd get this missing package? |
| 20:58.02 | abrotman | you can map drives via snmp ? |
| 20:58.06 | abrotman | karsten: ^ |
| 20:58.07 | lasala | i like to connect to it with my debian box |
| 20:58.13 | karsten | abrotman: Dig, I was wondering same. |
| 20:58.17 | ircdevil | what is the command to get a certain package config-files reset to default ? |
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| 20:58.29 | ircdevil | (fvwm) |
| 20:58.29 | greycat | lasala: if it's a *file server*, use whatever protocol it uses to *serve files*. |
| 20:58.40 | greycat | lasala: that's usually NFS. |
| 20:58.44 | lasala | ok NFS |
| 20:58.49 | lasala | so how do i do that ? |
| 20:58.54 | TwistedEmotions | Borg^Queen: Errr... I dont know what your trying to do... but everything you should need to build a newer kernel you can find at www.kernel.org |
| 20:58.56 | ircdevil | UUUHM |
| 20:59.08 | karsten | ircdevil: Not entirely sure, but you can dig the conffiles out of the package file itself... |
| 20:59.22 | karsten | ircdevil: ...and for fvwm, its config is user-specific. Check /etc/skel/ |
| 20:59.23 | TwistedEmotions | Borg^Queen: Is that what you are trying to do? To compile a kernel? |
| 20:59.29 | abrotman | ok .. so you *can* map drives fvia snmp ? |
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| 20:59.44 | greycat | abrotman: only if you use the NFS kind of SNMP. |
| 20:59.49 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 20:59.49 | emzed | hello |
| 20:59.50 | lasala | i dunno all i care is to map my network drive into linux |
| 20:59.58 | greycat | lasala: google "nfs howto" |
| 20:59.59 | Borg^Queen | TwistedEmotions: No I'm installing prebuilds. They are required to build other packages |
| 21:00.07 | lasala | ok thanks |
| 21:00.09 | emzed | is it possible to flash bios under linux ? (maybe with wine or something else) |
| 21:00.16 | ircdevil | karsten: there is a trick to dpkg or apt-get to get config files reset to default - i just upgraded and selected to keep the old config-file which was a bad idea |
| 21:00.32 | quantillis | Anybody here use Dan's Guardian? Any idea why it reports "Error creating connection to test proxy"? |
| 21:00.49 | karsten | ircdevil: The new config files are in place as *.dpkg-new |
| 21:00.50 | TwistedEmotions | Borg^Queen: Try using a prebuilt kernel from kernel.org... |
| 21:00.56 | karsten | ircdevil: ...generally in /etc. |
| 21:01.12 | Borg^Queen | TwistedEmotions: No I'm installing prebuilds. They are required to build other packages |
| 21:01.20 | Borg^Queen | oop |
| 21:01.38 | Borg^Queen | TwistedEmotions: these are prebuilt kernels. |
| 21:01.51 | Borg^Queen | I'm trying to install the header package the came with them |
| 21:02.02 | TwistedEmotions | Borg^Queen: Errr.... I dont know... |
| 21:02.09 | Borg^Queen | ok thanks |
| 21:02.13 | ircdevil | karsten: hm i am sure there is some nifty command to refresh the config files |
| 21:02.18 | karsten | quantillis: I've used it. |
| 21:02.31 | quantillis | karsten: Great. Any idea what that error means? |
| 21:02.32 | karsten | quantillis: Confirm it's running and that it accepts connections from your IP(s). |
| 21:02.39 | karsten | quantillis: Not familiar to me. |
| 21:02.57 | karsten | quantillis: IIRC DG config is: web client => DG => squid |
| 21:02.58 | quantillis | The squid? Yeah, it should be good. It's running on the same box, and I'm not trying to use it transparently. |
| 21:03.03 | karsten | quantillis: ... if you're using squid. |
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| 21:03.10 | quantillis | aye. |
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| 21:03.38 | karsten | quantillis: 'ps aux | grep [d]ansg' on the dansguardian box. |
| 21:04.18 | karsten | quantillis: I ran it as a transparent proxy myself. |
| 21:04.33 | quantillis | karsten: Nope, it's not running. I get the error when trying to run start the init script. |
| 21:05.03 | karsten | quantillis: Check its logs. |
| 21:05.38 | abrotman | logs? |
| 21:05.41 | ircdevil | where can i get a .fvwm2rc file for sarge? |
| 21:05.43 | quantillis | No logs. Only have an access.log, and it's empty. I think the connection isn't there, but my squid is told to accept a connection over 127.0.0.1. |
| 21:06.05 | quantillis | Anyways, Looks like this is some ACL somewhere in squid... |
| 21:06.44 | karsten | quantillis: No, dansguardian processes should be running. |
| 21:06.54 | quinten | is the 2.6.8-13 kernel patched against the recent exploits, or do i need to compile a standard kernel to get a secure version? |
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| 21:07.14 | drac | quinten: no it's not. |
| 21:07.15 | karsten | quantillis: Read the changelog at p.d.o. |
| 21:07.31 | Xinux | 2.6 doesn't even have CDCEther |
| 21:07.39 | Xinux | thats why i have to stick with 2.4 |
| 21:07.53 | Xinux | CDCether* |
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| 21:10.21 | bahutnoenie | does sarge show 3.1 in /etc/debian_version ? |
| 21:10.29 | tarzeau | bahutnoenie: yes |
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| 21:10.55 | Eduoard | hi |
| 21:10.59 | RvGaTe | Who has any knowledge about CUPS or FOOMATIC, im trying to install a printerserver about 3 hours now, and im asking for help already for 2 hours, without any usefull reactions (there was only one)...is there someone who can help me???? |
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| 21:12.08 | karsten | abrotman: Stick a radio in it. |
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| 21:12.14 | ribnitz | re |
| 21:12.22 | TwistedEmotions | Is there a way to kill bush using debian? |
| 21:12.35 | thingfish | hehe TwistedEmotions good one. |
| 21:12.37 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: sharpen the edge of the CD |
| 21:12.43 | RvGaTe | yeah, pick up the machine, and trow it towards him |
| 21:12.49 | RvGaTe | he might die |
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| 21:13.00 | TwistedEmotions | God hes gay... watching him dildo around on Tv.. |
| 21:13.01 | ribnitz | TwistedEmotions: fina a way to accelerate the cd.. |
| 21:13.03 | hap | hi |
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| 21:13.17 | hap | anyone used the amd64 sarge netinstall CD ? |
| 21:13.31 | TwistedEmotions | ribnitz: Use like a X60 write then just pop open the cover and aim it at him... |
| 21:13.37 | RvGaTe | looks like pplz are ignoring my question??? |
| 21:13.44 | abrotman | !tell TwistedEmotions about gay |
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| 21:13.51 | abrotman | RvGaTe: no .. printing is black magic |
| 21:13.52 | kzar | I have lirc working perfectly, but every time i run vdr-lirc it keeps trying to set up keyboard buttons not lirc buttons, anyone have a clue? |
| 21:13.59 | Sphinx_Linux | Anyone here have experience setting up swf-player in browser on linux ? |
| 21:14.03 | TwistedEmotions | RvGaTe: I didnt know that throwing the computer was a question |
| 21:14.10 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Sorry habbit.. |
| 21:14.21 | RvGaTe | TwistedEmotions: scroll up... |
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| 21:14.30 | ribnitz | !tell rvgate about ask |
| 21:14.38 | TwistedEmotions | RvGaTe: Joined the room after you asked ;) |
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| 21:15.13 | RvGaTe | abrotman: i already asked 2 hours ago, but no-one replied |
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| 21:15.32 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: then now one knew. |
| 21:15.32 | TwistedEmotions | RvGaTe: Theyre thinking... |
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| 21:16.01 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: there was one guy who knows, pipeline, but somehow, he's ignoring me |
| 21:16.19 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: refusing to help me or something |
| 21:16.20 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: did you step on his foot? |
| 21:16.20 | TwistedEmotions | RvGaTe: he used the /ignore command |
| 21:16.30 | RvGaTe | why ? |
| 21:16.55 | TwistedEmotions | RvGaTe: See: man "Did you set on his foot?" |
| 21:17.16 | RvGaTe | can he read my messages ? |
| 21:17.30 | RvGaTe | guess not |
| 21:17.31 | TwistedEmotions | Are u using private messages? |
| 21:17.35 | RvGaTe | no |
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| 21:17.56 | ribnitz | I am looking for a RAD tool for Java/JDBC.. any suggestions? |
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| 21:18.09 | TwistedEmotions | then he should be able to... so either 1) Doesnt know 2) Doesnt want to answer 3) Away |
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| 21:18.31 | TwistedEmotions | ribnitz: RAD or RAID? |
| 21:18.49 | RvGaTe | TwistedEmotions: then he could at least tell me, and not just leave while i was still in trouble |
| 21:18.53 | karsten | Sphinx_Linux: Yes. Don't. It's hell on earth. |
| 21:18.53 | ribnitz | TwistedEmotions: RAD, nothing to do with disk-independence. |
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| 21:19.09 | TwistedEmotions | ribnitz: Heh... Hardware raid I know... rad ;( |
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| 21:19.21 | abrotman | RvGaTe: me run away ? |
| 21:19.29 | RvGaTe | no, pipeline run away |
| 21:19.30 | ribnitz | TwistedEmotions: as in rapid application development. |
| 21:19.33 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i don't own a printer .. i've never setup cups |
| 21:20.06 | TwistedEmotions | ribnitz: Ohhh... I learned that in class... or the theory anyways. |
| 21:20.32 | acollins | ribnitz: www.eclipse.org |
| 21:20.38 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: I own a printer, and have setup cups several times. however only with postscript printers. |
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| 21:20.50 | ribnitz | acollins: already use that. |
| 21:20.59 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: can you help me? please... |
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| 21:21.01 | acollins | ribnitz: http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2005/05/11/sqlexplorer.html |
| 21:21.01 | ribnitz | (wished it was packaged) |
| 21:21.05 | karsten | RvGaTe: If the channel isn't working, post elsewhere. debian-user mailing list, etc. |
| 21:21.13 | tarzeau | ribnitz: why are you so java/jdbc fixated? |
| 21:21.13 | abrotman | RvGaTe: you did try linuxprinting.org ? |
| 21:21.25 | RvGaTe | abrotman: yes |
| 21:21.28 | karsten | Where in standard docs is use of dpkg-reconfigure documented? APT HOWTO doesn't cover it. |
| 21:21.56 | ribnitz | tarzeau: 1) platform independent 2) it pays my monthly celery. |
| 21:22.02 | disc-q | perhabs can somebody give me the right link for the AMd64 sarge netinstall cd. burned 4 cds but they don't work |
| 21:22.08 | RvGaTe | abrotman: i installed cups and all the needed packages, but i cant access the cups config panel (http://<ip>:631) and i dont know how to set it up manually with SSh |
| 21:22.20 | tarzeau | ribnitz: 1) not true! LIE! |
| 21:22.21 | abrotman | RvGaTe: do you have a firewall on the box ? |
| 21:22.49 | TwistedEmotions | rvgate... you tried http://localhost:631/? |
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| 21:23.21 | RvGaTe | TwistedEmotions: its not on localhost, im using ssh (remote) |
| 21:23.35 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I have a db layout (in postgres), basically some glorified address-app to be, and I want to design the required forms (to be web-ready) and app around it. |
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| 21:23.47 | RvGaTe | abrotman: its a fresh install of debian sarge |
| 21:23.53 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i got that. why must it be done using java? |
| 21:24.02 | abrotman | RvGaTe: maybe you have to start the remote cups thingie ? |
| 21:24.06 | disc-q | please.... i'm not able to install debian :-/ |
| 21:24.13 | concept10 | what driver or subsystem does the program /usr/bin/lp use to print? CUPS? anyone know? I want to speed up my printing, trying to understand what is the best driver to use for my printer |
| 21:24.16 | TwistedEmotions | RvGaTe: Ohh.. I dont know how to set it up then but I know that you have to 1) allow access through any firewalls.. |
| 21:24.17 | tarzeau | !msg disc-q about ask |
| 21:24.28 | RvGaTe | abrotman: its started, when i try to access that page, it says: Forbidden |
| 21:24.35 | lef | disc-q, ask your question directly |
| 21:24.39 | ribnitz | tarzeau: it need not, it cxan be done using anything, but should be platform independent, and be usable within a web browser. |
| 21:24.40 | TwistedEmotions | RvGaTe: also look at your Apache setup |
| 21:24.40 | disc-q | perhabs can somebody give me the right link for the AMd64 sarge netinstall cd. burned 4 cds but they don't work |
| 21:24.43 | abrotman | RvGaTe: that's different than it doesn't work .. |
| 21:24.53 | jshoenberger | When I "startx" the screen goes blank and comes up with the message "Fatal server error: no screens found". Did I mess up on the video card drivers or what? |
| 21:25.03 | RvGaTe | TwistedEmotions: i dont have apache installed, its a fresh installation |
| 21:25.03 | abrotman | !tell jshoenberger about no screens found |
| 21:25.13 | disc-q | think i don't have the right one. so can please give me the correct link :( |
| 21:25.19 | RvGaTe | abrotman: then how do i get it to work then :S |
| 21:25.20 | lef | disc-q, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:25.22 | tarzeau | ribnitz: you want gnustepweb (web), gnustep/gorm (gui) and gnustep eo-modeler (postgresql) |
| 21:25.30 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: edit the cups config file, and put in the address you access it from as in AllowFrom/DenyFrom.. |
| 21:25.30 | abrotman | RvGaTe: get un-forbidden ? :) |
| 21:25.31 | jshoenberger | abrotman, nice program, thanks |
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| 21:25.43 | abrotman | jshoenberger: no problem! |
| 21:25.46 | disc-q | lef: i burned this iso as well.... but wasn't able to boot it |
| 21:25.47 | RvGaTe | abrotman: duh :P |
| 21:25.55 | tarzeau | ribnitz: and yes it is platform independent |
| 21:25.58 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i told you .. i've never setup cups |
| 21:26.00 | lef | disc-q, for what arch did you say? |
| 21:26.06 | disc-q | amd 64 |
| 21:26.07 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 21:26.07 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm> |
| 21:26.10 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: were do i find the setup fil |
| 21:26.10 | abrotman | crap crap crap! |
| 21:26.11 | lef | amd64, hm |
| 21:26.16 | TwistedEmotions | RvGaTe: To test to see if it's up.. install links or elink and then try http://localhost:631/ |
| 21:26.50 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf. |
| 21:27.04 | lef | disc-q, http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ checked there? |
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| 21:28.01 | lef | disc-q, http://amd64.debian.net/ has dinaries |
| 21:28.15 | disc-q | lef: thanks a lot |
| 21:28.29 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: that configfile is wlel commented, restart cups afterwards. |
| 21:28.49 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: thx, this is usefull (finally :P ) |
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| 21:29.14 | abrotman | jshoenberger: please in the channel ... /msg only with permission |
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| 21:29.22 | abrotman | !drxx jshoenberger |
| 21:29.22 | dpkg | jshoenberger: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 21:29.34 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: can I message? |
| 21:29.35 | jshoenberger | abrotman, wow thanks again |
| 21:29.41 | lef | disc-q, here's a howto: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
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| 21:30.17 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: for what reason ? |
| 21:30.17 | ribnitz | tarzeau: two of three not packaged in sarge? |
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| 21:30.17 | lef | disc-q, perhaps you should start by reading the howto (last link I gave you) |
| 21:30.17 | tarzeau | ribnitz: true. ask #gnustep |
| 21:30.17 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Just wanted to feel special... I dont actually have anything to message you about.. |
| 21:30.22 | ircdevil | argh - fvwm fucked totally up after dist-upgrade w->s what have changed? |
| 21:30.23 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: well .. now what do you think my answer will be ? |
| 21:30.24 | ribnitz | tarzeau: they bite? |
| 21:30.30 | disc-q | lef: i will |
| 21:30.31 | tarzeau | ribnitz: no, very friendly |
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| 21:30.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: you lie ... |
| 21:30.43 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Dope... will message you in a second ;) Weeeeee |
| 21:30.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: they abused the hell out of me! |
| 21:30.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: no i don't lie |
| 21:30.49 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: how do i know if cups is running successfull ? |
| 21:30.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: come on. i've never seen you there |
| 21:30.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: they called me an idjit |
| 21:30.57 | ribnitz | tarzeau: if they dont byte, they must swallow whole. |
| 21:31.09 | tarzeau | ribnitz: haha. ask about eomodeler first |
| 21:31.10 | streuner | RvGaTe: print :-) |
| 21:31.13 | tarzeau | ribnitz: then gnustepweb |
| 21:31.15 | jonas22 | i set up a few testing and development servers with sarge and i must say that recent work has been very impressive, keep fighting the good fight |
| 21:31.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: when was that? got logs? |
| 21:31.24 | nydust | is there an easy way to find out if my debian server is secure? |
| 21:31.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. in about 10 minutes .. :) |
| 21:31.42 | abrotman | nydust: secure from what ? |
| 21:31.49 | abrotman | yay s3 is crap! |
| 21:31.52 | streuner | from badgers? |
| 21:31.55 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.01 | nydust | hackers ect |
| 21:32.06 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: ps -ef |grep cups should get you a cupsd -F line. also http://localhost:631 should get you a web interface. |
| 21:32.08 | disc-q | lef: but apt only loads the special 64bit packeges or? |
| 21:32.10 | TwistedEmotions | RvGaTe: U dont listen do you... |
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| 21:32.24 | TwistedEmotions | or do what ribnitz said.. |
| 21:32.29 | streuner | nydust: unplug from i-net, secure... |
| 21:32.36 | nydust | hehe |
| 21:32.50 | trc | has anyone found apache2 to refuse connection in sid? whats the fix? |
| 21:32.58 | ribnitz | nydust: security is about realizing no system is secure. its all gradual. |
| 21:33.04 | TwistedEmotions | nydust: Gimme your root password and IP ill test.. |
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| 21:33.20 | bahutnoenie | what happend to the sarge security updates? |
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| 21:33.31 | bahutnoenie | isn't there a a security update mirror? |
| 21:33.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: no sense of humor .. jeez |
| 21:33.40 | streuner | bahutnoenie: sure |
| 21:33.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: i do have it |
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| 21:34.08 | nydust | ok here it is www.microsoft.com login bill pass gates |
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| 21:34.17 | bahutnoenie | streuner: the one I got doesn't work, which one do you advise |
| 21:34.33 | TwistedEmotions | nydust: If that worked microsoft wouldnt be up for long ;) |
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| 21:34.40 | streuner | bahutnoenie: security.d.o |
| 21:34.42 | lef | disc-q, I have no clue. I am reading the howto for the first time as we speak |
| 21:35.04 | TwistedEmotions | nydust: try http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=security+test/v=2/SID=w/TID=YS61_106/l=WS1/R=5/IPC=us/SHE=0/H=1/;_ylt=ArN6MUz6sxZUUcjBtVxFDZRXNyoA/SIG=11f197hj0/EXP=1116106489/*-http%3A//scan.sygatetech.com/ |
| 21:35.11 | lef | disc-q, aparently there is a channel, #debian-amd64 on irc.debian.org |
| 21:35.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: my sense of humor ? |
| 21:35.25 | TwistedEmotions | nydust: sorry try http://scan.sygatetech.com/ |
| 21:35.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: a sense of humor |
| 21:35.34 | bahutnoenie | stew: it only talks about stable, not about sarge |
| 21:35.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: but it's not the same as yours |
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| 21:35.45 | dabreegster | security through obsecurity! wee! |
| 21:35.57 | phogg | Name a good (secure, stable) IRC server. I need to set one up for a small group and I want to start with good rather than first-to-hand. |
| 21:36.03 | jbmigel | obsecurity lol |
| 21:36.05 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: apt-get install humor |
| 21:36.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: otherwise .. you'd be really messed in the head :) |
| 21:36.10 | tarzeau | phogg: dancerircd |
| 21:36.12 | dabreegster | lef: just to tell you, irc.debian.org is freenode. So, just join that channel. |
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| 21:36.37 | dabreegster | TwistedEmotions: package not found. Installation candidates: bash.org, humorix.org |
| 21:36.51 | lef | dabreegster, really? I didn't know that |
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| 21:37.05 | TwistedEmotions | dabreegster: haha... |
| 21:37.11 | dabreegster | lef: yeah. connecting to irc.debian.org sticks you on a freenode server |
| 21:37.27 | trc | apache2 refusing to connect, check what? |
| 21:37.33 | lef | dabreegster, thank you for letting me know :) |
| 21:37.42 | phogg | tarzeau: many thanks |
| 21:37.42 | dabreegster | lef: no prob |
| 21:37.56 | lef | disc-q, just join #debian-amd64 |
| 21:38.37 | TwistedEmotions | dabreegster: Hmm.. I got different error... package unable to install. Missing dependecies: Good Jokes |
| 21:38.50 | dabreegster | TwistedEmotions: You on sarge? |
| 21:38.52 | karamelos | how can I the keyword distribution used in a terminal or tty? |
| 21:39.07 | TwistedEmotions | dabreegster: yeah testing package.. |
| 21:39.26 | dabreegster | karamelos: What? "I the keyword distrib"? |
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| 21:39.41 | karamelos | dabreegster, how can I _set_ |
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| 21:40.26 | lewis | hey there all - i recently changed a few files (/etc/login.defs, /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/ssh) to take into account the change of mailbox storage from mbox to maildir. however, now when I login via SSH, I get the message 'you have newmail' or 'you have oldmail' - missing a space - any ideas? |
| 21:41.02 | dabreegster | karamelos: I see. What's keyword distribution? Like acronyms? There's a tool called 'wtf'. I'm serious. `wtf is brb` eq "BRB: [I'll] be right back" |
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| 21:42.00 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: ok, i got cups running, edited the config file, but somehow, i cannot access it using my browser, TwistedEmotions: with link works fine |
| 21:42.01 | nydust | i am trying to install 42go isp manager on a server thats are on my local lan. the hostname is localhost, but it ask for my domainname what is that? |
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| 21:42.26 | karamelos | dabreegster, I am using a spanish keyword and the keys do not match when I type in a terminal outside of X. |
| 21:42.27 | TwistedEmotions | RvGaTe: U using a firewall? |
| 21:42.34 | RvGaTe | TwistedEmotions: no |
| 21:42.39 | nydust | under the debian install i typed inn klk but its not working |
| 21:42.47 | nydust | it quits |
| 21:43.12 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: if you get connection refused, thats all about this AllowFrom/DenyFrom.. |
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| 21:43.37 | dabreegster | karamelos: Ah... keyboard mapping is "fun". I'm sure theirs a HOWTO for this, but anyway, you'd end up modifying the console keymap, which is usually in /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz. |
| 21:43.43 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: thats what i figured, but the config looks right tho |
| 21:43.47 | jeff_ | hey, i am having mouse problems. My x server wont load due to the fact that it cannot find the core pointer. I checked the config file for mistakes, and everything is fine. I think the problem might lie in the fact that something is blocking /dev/psaux. any thoughts? |
| 21:44.11 | dabreegster | karamelos: see man keymaps and google for a howto or something |
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| 21:44.17 | karamelos | dabreegster, ok |
| 21:44.19 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: you alos allow before denying? |
| 21:44.30 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: were it sayd: Allow From 127.0.0.1, i added a new line with: Allow From 192.168.1.102 |
| 21:44.51 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: what kind of mouse do you have? |
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| 21:45.11 | jeff_ | MobyTurbo: ps/2 with a scroll wheel, so ImPS/2 |
| 21:45.14 | shido6 | how do I regain control over my mouse when playing a dvd |
| 21:45.27 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: are you using gpm? |
| 21:45.34 | shido6 | vlc, totem, they all seem to kill my mouse when I watch dvd content |
| 21:45.37 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: Alos BrowseAllow |
| 21:45.43 | jeff_ | MobyTurbo: sorry, not framiliar with what gpm is |
| 21:45.54 | jeff_ | MobyTurbo: im a bit of a newbie |
| 21:45.59 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: good, it could cause problems perhaps |
| 21:46.07 | dabreegster | jeff_: awesome mouse server for the console |
| 21:46.09 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: i added that line twice, below every line that had the 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:46.13 | shido6 | not using gpm here |
| 21:46.26 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: restarted cups? |
| 21:46.39 | MobyTurbo | dabreegster: awesome if it doesn't interfere with X. I do the same functionality with screen. |
| 21:46.41 | RvGaTe | root@server:/etc/cups# /usr/sbin/cupsd |
| 21:46.42 | RvGaTe | cupsd: Child exited with status 98! |
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| 21:46.50 | jeff_ | MobyTurbo: i also get error mesages from xie and pex5. could they be connected? |
| 21:47.01 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
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| 21:47.20 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: perhaps, I'm not familiar with xie and pex5 |
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| 21:47.28 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: finaly :P |
| 21:47.39 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: worx? |
| 21:47.39 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: now its working, thx for the heads up |
| 21:47.48 | dabreegster | MobyTurbo: I have no problem with gpm and X. And screen does mice? Can it send gpm events so a mouse in elinks within screen would work? I believe they're working on that, see /topic #screen |
| 21:48.09 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: btw: you might want cupsys-bsd package as well, so you get lpd-compatible commands in shell |
| 21:48.17 | jeff_ | MobyTurbo: is there a way to check /dev/psaux, cause utilities like mdetect dont work |
| 21:48.21 | MobyTurbo | screen doesn't do mice, but you can do cut and paste very nicely through the keyboard. |
| 21:48.22 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: plus the std. lpd driver.. |
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| 21:48.32 | jeff_ | MobyTurbo: they only work when you plug/unplug the mouse |
| 21:48.48 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: if you want to see if another process is using it, use lsof |
| 21:48.49 | jeff_ | MobyTurbo: could the port be taken up by another program |
| 21:48.57 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: got that, i installed these packages (pipeline sayd they were needed): cupsys, cupsys-bsd, gs-esp, hpijs, foomatic-gui, foomatic-filters, foomatic-filters-ppds, gnome-cups-manager (optional) |
| 21:49.06 | ramanujan | what's an easy way to remove blank spaces from a text file? |
| 21:49.07 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: you shouldn't hotplug a PS/2 mouse. |
| 21:49.20 | jeff_ | MobyTurbo: yea, error in judgement |
| 21:49.28 | dabreegster | MobyTurbo: Yeah, but I'm still waiting for gpm events. Plus I've yet to figure out how to easily simulate the old alt+page up/down behavior with copy mode. |
| 21:49.54 | dabreegster | ramanujan: perl or sed |
| 21:50.13 | jeff_ | MobyTurbo: not too concerned bout the board |
| 21:50.24 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: I dont think you need foomatic-gui, and gnome-cups-manager. hpjis also depends on printer model. |
| 21:50.26 | dabreegster | ramanujan: spaces? like crunching " " down to " "? Or blank newlines? |
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| 21:50.52 | abrotman | sarge too stable .. moving all servers to sid |
| 21:50.54 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: i checked, i needed hpjis (printermodel: HP Deskjet 980C) |
| 21:51.03 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: I'm refering to the fact that PS/2 ports aren't designed for hotplugging, it isn't neccesarily going to work. |
| 21:51.22 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: you must know. |
| 21:51.26 | Gil_ | ramanujan: maybe grep -v "^\s*$" <filename> will work |
| 21:51.32 | abrotman | apt-cache search gnome | egreg $gnome | awk '{print $1}' | xargs apt-get -y install ... not a good idea |
| 21:51.41 | devazion | MobyTurbo: i always tripple over my ps/2 mouse. when i press it in it works directly :) |
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| 21:51.53 | jeff_ | MobyTurbo: so what do you recommend |
| 21:52.00 | abrotman | err egrep |
| 21:52.09 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: keeping it plugged in? |
| 21:52.46 | jeff_ | MobyTurbo: haha ok, but for the overall problem |
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| 21:53.31 | karsten | OT: Anyone got a good URBL recommendation? |
| 21:53.36 | MrKeuner | anything up with dictionaries-common in sid? |
| 21:53.37 | smacnay__ | ribnitz: well, the CUPS letter setting prints off the right side of the page. There is my trouble. |
| 21:53.45 | tarzeau | karsten: what's that? |
| 21:53.48 | abrotman | karsten: you can ask me when i get home :) |
| 21:53.57 | abrotman | karsten: Realtime BlackList ? |
| 21:53.57 | karsten | tarzeau: URL blacklist. |
| 21:53.59 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: now to get this printer to work, lol |
| 21:54.07 | ramanujan | thansk dabreegster, Gil_. I figured out a way to avoid it :) |
| 21:54.09 | abrotman | karsten: oh .. nto for smtp ? |
| 21:54.10 | karsten | Specific to comment spam and the like. |
| 21:54.16 | karsten | abrotman: No. Got those ;-) |
| 21:54.21 | abrotman | ok .. |
| 21:54.31 | tarzeau | karsten: for the web? |
| 21:54.38 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: the thing is that I don't have a ps/2 mouse, so I'm not sure what your problem is. Perhaps google and/or the #xfree86 channel will help you better than me. |
| 21:54.51 | karsten | tarzeau: Yes. I want to see if I'm getting spammed. Have URLs & IPs. |
| 21:55.03 | jeff_ | MobyTurbo: been googling for like 2 days |
| 21:55.12 | jeff_ | MobyTurbo: but ill try xfree86, thanks for the tip |
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| 21:55.37 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: www.google.com/linux can help focus searches towards Linux support fora. |
| 21:56.12 | MobyTurbo | jeff_: plus the penguin is cute. ;-) |
| 21:56.19 | jeff_ | MobyTurbo: hahaha |
| 21:56.30 | nydust | where do i see my domain name on the server? |
| 21:56.33 | Gil_ | jeff_: have you got the mousedev and psmouse modules loaded? |
| 21:56.56 | nydust | like hostnames are stored in /ect/hostname |
| 21:57.08 | nydust | where are domain names? |
| 21:57.10 | jeff_ | Gil_: im assuming, it worked fine as of two days ago before i ran dpkg to change video card driver |
| 21:57.27 | Gil_ | jeff_: right, weird |
| 21:57.41 | Gil_ | jeff_: just check anyway with /sbin/lsmod :) |
| 21:57.45 | jeff_ | Gil_: could the fact that i ran it with the x server on affect anything |
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| 21:58.44 | Gil_ | jeff_: I wonder if dpkg clobbered your mouse settings in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 21:58.59 | jeff_ | Gil_: no mousedev |
| 21:59.07 | Gil_ | jeff_: ok, as root, modprobe mousedev |
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| 21:59.38 | Gil_ | jeff_: then, if you cat /dev/psaux and move the mouse, you should get a pile of garbage |
| 21:59.39 | kuckuck | hi |
| 21:59.43 | kuckuck | is there a possiblity to use backreference in search&replace of openoffice? |
| 21:59.46 | kuckuck | \1 $1 doesn't work, it finds the regular expression but it ignores the backreference |
| 21:59.58 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: you still there ? |
| 22:00.09 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: nope. |
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| 22:00.21 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! I am sorry to ask you LaTeX questions but LaTeX chan is just dead, it used to be great here or on efnet but after a long time that i am back latexing, it seems to me that they are not really active. My Q: after installing a package (teTeX, sarge) how do i latex see it? thanks |
| 22:00.31 | bnoji | So I got to drive a Skyline for the first time yesterday. |
| 22:00.48 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: you leaving then ? |
| 22:00.53 | sphere | rofl |
| 22:01.03 | jeff_ | Gil_: i love you |
| 22:01.04 | ribnitz | RvGaTe: I left 10 mins ago. |
| 22:01.21 | RvGaTe | ribnitz: can i still shout questions while you leave? :P |
| 22:01.25 | ribnitz | K_Dallas: as a user you should have the latex command? |
| 22:01.29 | Gil_ | jeff_: make sure to put mousedev in /etc/modules so it loads next time you boot |
| 22:01.45 | K_Dallas | ribnitz, i have but when i run it on my file, it does not find the package i just installed |
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| 22:02.20 | jeff_ | Gil_: any idea why it got removed? |
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| 22:02.32 | Gil_ | jeff_: no clue :( |
| 22:02.38 | Gil_ | jeff_: it really shouldn't happen |
| 22:02.39 | jeff_ | Gil_: haha aight |
| 22:02.41 | ribnitz | K_Dallas: Package as in latex package ? |
| 22:02.45 | K_Dallas | yes |
| 22:02.46 | jeff_ | Gil_: thank you so much |
| 22:02.49 | K_Dallas | a style file actually |
| 22:02.52 | Gil_ | jeff_: no problems! |
| 22:02.53 | ribnitz | K_Dallas: no idea. |
| 22:03.27 | K_Dallas | that is all right, i am searching the faq but not having the right keywords make it hard to get an answer |
| 22:03.40 | Gil_ | K_Dallas: you could try moving the style file into your working directory and seeing if that works |
| 22:03.46 | jeff_ | Gil_: do i edit modules or modules.conf |
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| 22:03.52 | Gil_ | Gil_: modules |
| 22:03.59 | Gil_ | jeff_: er, modules :d |
| 22:04.17 | K_Dallas | Gil_, that is the shortvut but if i change my working directory everything goes crazy |
| 22:04.37 | jeff_ | Gil_: thanks. well i gtg, thank you so much |
| 22:04.46 | SDFH_Linux | firefox 1.04 is in unstable |
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| 22:04.51 | Gil_ | K_Dallas: yea, LaTeX error messages can be .. unhelpful :( |
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| 22:05.18 | K_Dallas | well i know there is a command to refresh the tetex memory but latex guys are just not answering |
| 22:05.26 | K_Dallas | i will go and find a tetex manual then :) |
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| 22:05.48 | Gil_ | K_Dallas: good luck :) |
| 22:06.02 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 22:06.03 | Gil_ | K_Dallas: have you tried the Not So Short Guide ? |
| 22:06.16 | K_Dallas | well that is too short for this kind of stuff :) |
| 22:06.23 | Gil_ | haha |
| 22:06.35 | K_Dallas | it is for latex, i need tetex system specific command |
| 22:06.42 | Gil_ | K_Dallas: ah, right |
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| 22:07.41 | peter____ | hello. when I make && make test mod_perl2 , I get an error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl |
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| 22:08.03 | Gil_ | peter____: do you have libperl-dev package installed? |
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| 22:08.33 | SDFH_Linux | is there a debian server with openoffice 2.0 beta? |
| 22:08.40 | simonrvn | and why are you building mod_perl anyway? there's one for apache2 in debian already built |
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| 22:09.11 | simonrvn | SDFH_Linux: if it's not in your mirror archives, it's not anywhere |
| 22:09.11 | peter____ | Gil_ thank you |
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| 22:10.03 | Gil_ | peter____: no probs ;) |
| 22:10.04 | SDFH_Linux | cant find it |
| 22:10.07 | simonrvn | SDFH_Linux: might get it from an unofficial archive, but i don't know of any that has it |
| 22:10.23 | thorre | i have ben running slackware for a few years now an want to try something new |
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| 22:10.27 | SDFH_Linux | i want to try it out |
| 22:10.34 | thorre | so i will try to install debian on my desktop |
| 22:10.39 | K_Dallas | ok, i got it :) it is: texconfig rehash (if the style files are placed in the right directory) |
| 22:10.48 | Gil_ | K_Dallas: cool |
| 22:10.48 | SDFH_Linux | hows slackware 10.1 thorre? |
| 22:10.58 | thorre | should i try curren or is that to unstable for a desktop? |
| 22:11.06 | Gil_ | SDFH_Linux: you might have some luck here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/299315 |
| 22:11.13 | K_Dallas | but to my surprise, teTeX is missing so many packakes! |
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| 22:11.18 | SDFH_Linux | ok thanks i will look there |
| 22:11.22 | Gil_ | K_Dallas: you should install the tetex-extra package |
| 22:11.29 | thorre | SDFH_Linux 10.1 is like 10.0 the difference is that almost all packages are of a later revision |
| 22:11.31 | K_Dallas | ok,i am going to check |
| 22:11.35 | dondelelcaro | K_Dallas: eh? tetex has most packages that are important. What are you looking for? |
| 22:11.58 | K_Dallas | oldtyle for numbers, textpos for positioning text where ever i want to |
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| 22:12.03 | K_Dallas | oldstyle* |
| 22:12.15 | K_Dallas | and probablya bunch of others when i compile my other documents :) |
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| 22:12.36 | dondelelcaro | K_Dallas: that's fine, you can install them system wide or into texmf. Some of them may also have been packaged. |
| 22:12.52 | dondelelcaro | s#texmf#~/texmf# |
| 22:12.58 | K_Dallas | cool. i think i have installed the tetex extra but going to check |
| 22:13.19 | K_Dallas | i made one for my user but i will go system wide |
| 22:13.20 | dondelelcaro | !+find oldstyle |
| 22:13.21 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 22:13.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'oldstyle' (4 of 7): (/usr/share/doc/c2man/examples/oldstyle.c.gz) in devel/c2man ;; (/usr/share/doc/libpg-perl/examples/example.oldstyle.gz) in perl/libpg-perl ;; (/usr/share/doc/texmf/help/Catalogue/entries/oldstyle.html) in doc/tetex-doc ;; (/usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Applications/WPrefs.app/tiff/oldstyle.tiff) in x11/wmaker. |
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| 22:13.47 | cureless | There are some tetex files missing due to copyright(?) issues. |
| 22:14.07 | K_Dallas | didnt know that! wierd! latex is suppoed to be free |
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| 22:14.22 | ribnitz | cureless: tetex-nonfree? |
| 22:14.22 | cureless | I think psfig.sty is one of them |
| 22:14.41 | K_Dallas | oh! |
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| 22:15.16 | K_Dallas | well i have extra installed :( so going to pick the packages one by one from CTAN :( so painful |
| 22:15.40 | ribnitz | cureless: I think psfig.sty is free, no? |
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| 22:15.58 | KungFu | hi |
| 22:16.15 | KungFu | umount /mnt/hda1 - device is still in use |
| 22:16.46 | Gil_ | KungFu: fuser -v /mnt/hda1 (as root, I think) |
| 22:16.57 | Gil_ | KungFu: that should show you who's still using it |
| 22:17.12 | K_Dallas | KungFu, you might have a file browser open there or a terminal there |
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| 22:17.30 | cureless | ... or fam stuck. |
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| 22:17.41 | KungFu | /mnt/hda1 root Kernel mount /mnt/hda1 |
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| 22:17.47 | KungFu | both - no |
| 22:18.04 | drac | lsof | grep hda1 |
| 22:18.04 | K_Dallas | isnt it your base drive? |
| 22:18.24 | K_Dallas | (just checking) |
| 22:18.27 | KungFu | konqueror |
| 22:18.34 | KungFu | K_Dallas: no, it's not |
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| 22:18.44 | K_Dallas | ok :) |
| 22:19.17 | RvGaTe | pipeline ? |
| 22:19.18 | jagerman | I installed Debian into a chroot on my system, but how do I set up grub? |
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| 22:19.30 | jagerman | I seem to remember when I installed off a CD it set things up for me |
| 22:19.31 | KungFu | bingo. How to format it with vfat? |
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| 22:20.18 | drac | KungFu: mkfs.vfat |
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| 22:21.28 | KungFu | vfat is for win98, right? |
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| 22:21.52 | jagerman | Usually |
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| 22:22.48 | mono | why when i try to install from apt-get the php4-common pkg and libapache-php4 pkg my php never works. what else do i need to do? i have reloaded apache. when i try to browns to a phtml page i get the open of downloading that page rather then viewing it |
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| 22:24.30 | KungFu | how can I check the file format of it now? |
| 22:24.36 | K_Dallas | what other DVI viewer do we have under teTeX? xdvi does not work on my postscript stuff and i think kile used another dvi viewer which worked fine |
| 22:24.44 | gravity | evince works |
| 22:24.47 | mono | KungFu, apt-get install file |
| 22:24.57 | mono | KungFu, file foo |
| 22:24.57 | gravity | Oh wait... not yet. That's on the list of planned features. Sorry. |
| 22:25.21 | KungFu | er.. thinking about listing file system table |
| 22:25.35 | karamelos | I can't login as root from a virtual terminal, is that normal? |
| 22:25.47 | gravity | karamelos: Nope |
| 22:26.12 | K_Dallas | well there is kdvi :) |
| 22:26.24 | K_Dallas | ok, dinner time, see you later guys and thanks for all the help |
| 22:26.43 | Sphinx_Linux | How do i solve this "checking for g++... no" ? |
| 22:26.59 | K_Dallas | Sphinx_Linux, do you have it installed? |
| 22:26.59 | gravity | Sphinx_Linux: Install g++ |
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| 22:27.12 | Sphinx_Linux | aptget install ??? |
| 22:27.17 | K_Dallas | apt-get |
| 22:27.24 | K_Dallas | gcc i guess |
| 22:27.30 | Sphinx_Linux | Oke, lets try |
| 22:27.31 | gravity | Oh man |
| 22:27.32 | drac | Sphinx_Linux: apt-get install build-essential |
| 22:27.33 | K_Dallas | or devel-base or something |
| 22:27.45 | K_Dallas | build-essential, that is it :) |
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| 22:28.38 | Sphinx_Linux | TNX! |
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| 22:32.22 | blahdeblah | Hi. Anyone know of a tool that can salvage FAT32 filesystems' free space into files? |
| 22:32.56 | peterS | blahdeblah: huh? 'cp /dev/zero new_huge_file' should do the trick. all the free space will go into one new file |
| 22:33.09 | karamelos | how can I prevent the firewall logs to be displayed when I am in a terminal? I use firestarter to configure my firewall. |
| 22:33.52 | blahdeblah | peterS: No, i want to *salvage* the free blocks to get back data in them. I'm trying to help a friend who doesn't comprehend the meaning of "backup". :-) |
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| 22:34.14 | cureless | blahdeblah: so you want to unerase? |
| 22:34.16 | peterS | karamelos: play with the kernel.printk setting of sysctl (/proc/sys/ or /etc/sysctl.conf). it's documented somewhere. |
| 22:34.35 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - when a release isn't due, how fast is development in testing (how fast will dev in etch be). much faster/slower than now?# |
| 22:34.39 | blahdeblah | cureless: yeah, but with no spare directory entry to point the way. :-) |
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| 22:35.12 | cureless | blahdeblah: did they format the drive? How come you have no directory entries? |
| 22:35.17 | peterS | blahdeblah: oh. don't know if any tools will do that |
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| 22:35.57 | blahdeblah | cureless: The file was truncated (incorrectly) by scandisk |
| 22:36.27 | cureless | blahdeblah: So you want to recover the cluster chain of 1 file? |
| 22:36.38 | blahdeblah | peterS: Yeh, i thought as much - i don't want to waste the time writing one just for this guy who uses Outlook Express (with no backups) as his filing system... :-) |
| 22:36.47 | peterS | karamelos: oh yeah, if you have kernel documentation installed somewhere, look under Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt for what the 4 numbers of kernel.printk mean |
| 22:36.53 | LeeColleton | after connecting with ssh -X the DISPLAY variable isn't set. even if I set it I'm not able to forward X11 connections from the server back to my computer. can anyone help me with this? |
| 22:37.01 | blahdeblah | cureless: Yes, but there's no way of knowing which chain, so i'd like to recover all free blocks. |
| 22:37.03 | peterS | blahdeblah: heh. *good luck* to you |
| 22:37.36 | blahdeblah | peterS: Good luck to my friend, you mean. I've good mind just to hand the laptop straight back to him and tell him he's on his own. :-) |
| 22:37.40 | peterS | blahdeblah: I guess if I were in that position, I'd probably hack the FAT itself to recreate chains everywhere. then run dosfsck or something, which'd create files corresponding to them |
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| 22:37.46 | cureless | hmm, how big is the drive? You could jus try to access it directly as /dev/hdX with hexedit, dd or something. |
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| 22:38.09 | paulswm | blahdeblah: At least he should now understand the usefulness of backups :) |
| 22:38.14 | blahdeblah | peterS: Yep, but not really interested in writing a tool to do that at the moment... |
| 22:38.18 | blahdeblah | paulswm: ;-) |
| 22:38.23 | peterS | cureless: if it's FAT32 that's already an indication that it's prohibitively large for manual scanning |
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| 22:38.46 | peterS | blahdeblah: on a floppy I'd just go in with a hex editor. the FAT of a hard drive might be too big to make this comfortable, I suppose |
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| 22:39.16 | blahdeblah | cureless: peterS is right. It's a P3 500 laptop with a 6 Gb drives & 128 Mb RAM. Even grep can't handle it (bigger than 32 bits, i guess). |
| 22:39.23 | etjg | I have a linux router with a sipura ata device from which i do voip. i don't think my ata device supports QoS. what other options do i have in order to ensure that my voip phone calls do not have any problems while other people on my lan are using the internet? packet shaping possibly? |
| 22:39.56 | cureless | blahdeblah: how about doing a little hack with fsck.vfat? |
| 22:40.17 | blahdeblah | cureless: Wot sort of hack? |
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| 22:40.51 | blahdeblah | You mean just add a flag or something that allows the free space to be written elsewhere? |
| 22:41.05 | cureless | blahdeblah: I haven't seen the code, but it might loop through blocks... then again, it migth just loop through "possibly used" blocks. |
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| 22:41.21 | ircdevil | :~o)~ |
| 22:41.49 | blahdeblah | apt-get sourcing dosfstools now... |
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| 22:42.08 | cureless | blahdeblah: yes, blocks/clusters that are not part of any valid chain can be written out as files, and if the are part of a chain they could be written as a "file". |
| 22:42.48 | cureless | blahdeblah: or maybe there is a [V]FAT module for perl and you can hack a quick script, who knows. |
| 22:42.57 | nipplesrulz | THREE CHEERS FOR DELTA <3 U |
| 22:43.18 | blahdeblah | cureless: Mmmm... perl hacks! :-) |
| 22:43.29 | cureless | blahdeblah: btw, if you pull it off you need to charge your friend. |
| 22:43.42 | blahdeblah | and publish the code... |
| 22:43.46 | yonkel-lappy | nipplesrulz: wha? |
| 22:43.54 | cureless | I once had to reconstruct partition tables on a laptop for a friend a week before a project was due, he still owes me his life. |
| 22:44.04 | nipplesrulz | alpha beta gamma delta ..... |
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| 22:44.11 | Ry12 | is it easy to recompile glibc |
| 22:44.21 | nipplesrulz | i just decided that delta is my hero :P |
| 22:44.23 | peterS | Ry12: why do you want to? |
| 22:44.23 | cureless | Ry12: maybe, depends, usually no. |
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| 22:44.50 | peterS | cureless: hehe. did you use 'gpart' or do something by hand? |
| 22:44.52 | cureless | nipplesrulz: but delta is usually small, really small. |
| 22:44.58 | nipplesrulz | yes well |
| 22:44.59 | cureless | peterS: hexedit. |
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| 22:45.02 | Ry12 | i need to recompile for bigger pthreads so cedega works properly |
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| 22:45.08 | nipplesrulz | good things in small packages cureless |
| 22:45.16 | nipplesrulz | and the delta i mean is from deltaanime :P |
| 22:45.20 | nipplesrulz | .net |
| 22:45.21 | peterS | Ry12: "bigger pthreads"? what do you mean by that? |
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| 22:45.39 | Ry12 | Your system requires the use of pthreads but the maximum system allowed stack size of 2052 kB may be too small for some games. |
| 22:45.49 | cureless | peterS: and a few manuals beside me. |
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| 22:46.01 | peterS | Ry12: stack size isn't a function of glibc. that's a kernel ulimit |
| 22:46.17 | Ry12 | is that easy to change? |
| 22:46.20 | peterS | cureless: no joke, that sounds hairy |
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| 22:47.07 | cureless | peterS: I think it was just luck, I don't think I can do it again. |
| 22:47.10 | dan2 | peterS: that is a little hairy |
| 22:47.32 | peterS | Ry12: there is /etc/security/limits.conf but by default I don't think it sets any limits. so I'm not sure what you have to change |
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| 22:47.49 | dan2 | Ry12: use ulimit and you can reset the stack size |
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| 22:50.31 | peterS | Ry12: I thought there might be a sysctl in /proc/sys/kernel/ but the closest one I see is threads-max which isn't what you want |
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| 22:53.34 | Ry12 | so what size should i try changing the stack limit to in limits.conf |
| 22:54.43 | myren | is there an abiword channel anywhere? |
| 22:54.49 | myren | my god, its like fucking armageddon in here. |
| 22:54.55 | peterS | Ry12: I have no idea what your games require. 2052 kB does sound quite low. try 8192 kB, I guess. |
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| 22:54.59 | skaught | myren: Likely #abiword on irc.gimp.org |
| 22:55.03 | honschu | myren: A mailinglist _is_ there |
| 22:55.31 | myren | oh, i was thinking abiword was kde, my bad |
| 22:55.35 | bbrazil | myren: try irc.gnome.org |
| 22:55.37 | honschu | ;) |
| 22:56.18 | FlimFlamMan | is there a package that's basically automagical ldap auth in a box? |
| 22:56.30 | myren | FlimFlamMan: god i wish. check out ApacheDS? |
| 22:56.38 | myren | its your best prayer, in anothe r18 months. |
| 22:56.44 | FlimFlamMan | myren, at least i'm not alone. what's apacheds |
| 22:57.07 | pipeline | FlimFlamMan: OpenLDAP is pretty old/broken in Debian. |
| 22:57.19 | FlimFlamMan | it's too bad there's nothing like that in debian, it really holds it back IMHO... |
| 22:57.23 | myren | its an apache directory service project. looks pretty promising. still in 0.9, but already has external kerberos interface |
| 22:57.24 | Cyis | FlimFlamMan: If there was an automagical way to do it I would have used it... as is I use OpenLDAP+libpam-ldap+libnss-ldap myself |
| 22:57.25 | jshoenberger | How does one disable X from starting on bootup? |
| 22:57.30 | peterS | pipeline: you mean in debian stable, or in debian unstable? openldap 2.1 is ancient history in unstable / sarge |
| 22:57.32 | tarzeau | nodm |
| 22:57.34 | tarzeau | !nodm |
| 22:57.34 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 22:57.48 | myren | FlimFlamMan: no, thats not Debian, thats Linux. linux is mired in shit because these whoo-haas are too stupid to build a decent DS for it. |
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| 22:58.04 | myren | eventually i'll build one, but i'm taking the scenic route to get there. |
| 22:58.14 | myren | DS is directory service |
| 22:58.24 | FlimFlamMan | so much for my next question then ("is there a distro with easy ldap-based auth for all/most services"...) sigh... |
| 22:58.38 | sparr_ | At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer you will find at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer. |
| 22:58.43 | myren | yeah, its really the biggest epedemic linux faces. |
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| 22:59.19 | myren | for something which purports to be so enterprise ready, i find it astounding there's no way to manage users |
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| 22:59.22 | FlimFlamMan | damn |
| 22:59.32 | FlimFlamMan | myren, is apacheds deployable? |
| 22:59.58 | myren | what do you mean by deployable? sure, you can host other ldap serviecs off it. |
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| 23:00.12 | peterS | myren: he means usable today by a non-guru, I think |
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| 23:00.18 | JohnFlux | Is it possible to get gcc to die after the first couple of errors? |
| 23:00.26 | JohnFlux | It's annoying to get pages and pages of errors |
| 23:00.29 | FlimFlamMan | peterS, yeah |
| 23:00.41 | peterS | JohnFlux: use -Werror and it'll die sooner from warnings, I think. possibly not. |
| 23:00.50 | dan2 | JohnFlux: -pedantic |
| 23:00.53 | dan2 | -pedantic-errors |
| 23:00.55 | dan2 | that'll kill it |
| 23:01.21 | myren | i dont know. in spite of my bitching, there are some ldap configurator user management programms starting to crop up. installation of apache ds shouldnt be too hard, once you get it up one of the configurators should be "sufficient" |
| 23:01.40 | myren | thats not deployment though, thats administration and maintence |
| 23:01.40 | peterS | dan2: he means making it die *sooner* so you don't get several pages of warnings and errors, but just a few. will -pedantic* do that? |
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| 23:02.47 | myren | quack: ^-- thats your sign to log out, switch to a user account, and log back in again |
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| 23:03.07 | FlimFlamMan | i've tried manual setup with openldap and just couldn't get it working. in fact i couldn't really figure it all out - the role of sasl, if i needed kerberos, even how to authenticate to the ldap server remotely. it was a nightmare. i'm hoping some day for a drop-in replacement for auth that's ldap-based and centralised... |
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| 23:03.23 | myren | damnit, my windows machine crashed. i just lost like 30 megs of porn in the buffers. fsck. |
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| 23:03.52 | peterS | FlimFlamMan: yeah, the hurdles you hit were due to not understanding the architecture behind ldap. I'm not sure how much understanding of that *should* be required for an average administrator. I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to roll out that sort of thing knowing *nothing* about the components that make it work.. |
| 23:03.55 | K_Dallas | one more reason not to use windows ;) |
| 23:03.58 | myren | FlimFlamMan: yeah, see /that/ is deployment. ApacheDS should be "trivial" to install, if only by comparison |
| 23:04.02 | Sphinx_Linux | how to get working .swf on browsers in debian PPC ? |
| 23:04.15 | tarzeau | Sphinx_Linux: not |
| 23:04.24 | Sphinx_Linux | and swfplayer ? |
| 23:04.28 | myren | peterS: the whole process is rather much of a pain in the ass, especially if you're mad enough to try to integrate ldap+kerberos in any way |
| 23:04.35 | tarzeau | Sphinx_Linux: bad audio, too slow |
| 23:04.45 | tarzeau | Sphinx_Linux: just do not |
| 23:04.47 | peterS | myren: yeah, I can imagine. I haven't tried to deploy ldap yet, openldap or otherwise |
| 23:04.48 | SDFH_Linux | just read on cnn that ie has now gone below 90% in usage |
| 23:04.58 | Sphinx_Linux | Still how do i setup browser to use it ; having trouble |
| 23:05.08 | peterS | myren: I feel as though I do understand what kerberos and sasl and things like that are, I just haven't got any practical experience making them work (: |
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| 23:05.13 | Wowzer | hello all. I have a strange question...I have 2 debian machines. One older box and one newer box. Is there a simple/fast way to move all the files from one to the other? Mainly, the installs are for webserving...perl, php scripts. |
| 23:05.21 | FlimFlamMan | peterS, i guess so, but all i'm looking for is secure centralized authentication... i'd be more than happy with a safe default install that accomplished that, with the option of tweaking and learning details as time goes on... |
| 23:05.35 | tarzeau | Wowzer: nfs? |
| 23:05.54 | maher | Wowzer: scp? |
| 23:06.10 | Wowzer | nfs, I believe... |
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| 23:08.14 | FlimFlamMan | apt-get install ldap-auth |
| 23:08.17 | Wowzer | hmm...scp seems to require me to specify the target dir for all the files...there's no simple way to migrate from 1 server to the next? |
| 23:08.30 | FlimFlamMan | enter domain: |
| 23:08.33 | FlimFlamMan | enter admin pwd: |
| 23:08.52 | maher | Wowzer: are the boxes running the same versin of debian? |
| 23:08.59 | myren | happy 5/13/5 everyone. what a zany friday the 13th |
| 23:09.09 | myren | FlimFlamMan: some day, some day. |
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| 23:09.43 | FlimFlamMan | what about freebsd - any easier there? is it easy to pick up freebsd if you know linux fairly well? |
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| 23:09.56 | Wowzer | I dont think so..the older one (a macintosh pm6100) is on woody, but an older version (hard to get the thing upgraded)...the newer one is a compaq box. |
| 23:10.01 | myren | OpenLDAP is really the only game in town for directory services. |
| 23:10.12 | tarzeau | FlimFlamMan: i wouldn't say so |
| 23:10.15 | maher | Wowzer: are they both running woody? |
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| 23:10.26 | tarzeau | FlimFlamMan: but there's debian gnu/kfreebsd #gnu-kbsd |
| 23:10.34 | tarzeau | FlimFlamMan: that's easy, if you know debian already |
| 23:10.37 | myren | directory services is synonymous with centralized user auth |
| 23:10.46 | Wowzer | both runnign woody |
| 23:10.49 | myren | no matter what OS, you're always back at OpenLDAP |
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| 23:10.56 | FlimFlamMan | ah well... |
| 23:11.00 | maher | Wowzer: then you can just copy the config across |
| 23:11.02 | JGL | Can someone here help me set up musepack codec? |
| 23:11.07 | Ry12 | peters i searched around on the transgaming forum and everyone with the pthreads problem is saying u need a glibc with NPTL support |
| 23:11.15 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:11.15 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 23:11.20 | myren | anyone want to go get the pitchfork and torches & storm red-hat? they bought netscape's LDAP server like 8 months ago and havent done jack with it |
| 23:11.21 | LOJAC | i know |
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| 23:11.45 | K_Dallas | U is not a word which is in line to enter Webster or ODE ;) |
| 23:11.50 | K_Dallas | now* |
| 23:11.53 | asdfasdf | whats the best way to purge samba and everything related to it? |
| 23:11.57 | FlimFlamMan | myren, i'd heard something about that |
| 23:12.07 | asdfasdf | ? |
| 23:12.09 | Wowzer | k...I was hoping to avoid having to manually copy the directories...and recreating the users... |
| 23:12.10 | asdfasdf | anyone? |
| 23:12.29 | abrotman | !ops `bRuTaL` spamming <`bRuTaL`> bRuTaL ScRipT , bulgarian for windows http://brutal.uk.to ! THE BEST ! |
| 23:12.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: `bRuTaL` spamming <`bRuTaL`> bRuTaL ScRipT , bulgarian for windows http://brutal.uk.to ! THE BEST ! |
| 23:12.33 | JGL | Anyone here got musepack codec working? |
| 23:12.44 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 23:12.46 | asdfasdf | hello? |
| 23:12.47 | maher | Wowzer: you can just rsync / assuming they have the same arch, and then fix things up... |
| 23:12.48 | myren | JGL: its broken, it'll fix sometime? |
| 23:12.49 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 23:12.50 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@mail.ibs-bg.net] by helix |
| 23:12.50 | *** part/#debian `bRuTaL` (~long@mail.ibs-bg.net) |
| 23:12.50 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 23:12.51 | *** mode/#debian [+b `bRuTaL`!*@*] by mentor |
| 23:12.54 | abrotman | thanks guys |
| 23:12.54 | helix | mentor: you're so slow dude |
| 23:12.55 | mrbig | when I upgrade by command "apt-get dist-upgrade", my server always restarts while generating locales. What's the problem here? |
| 23:12.56 | mentor | feh. |
| 23:13.03 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 23:13.03 | JGL | myren: what do you mean? |
| 23:13.05 | abrotman | err .. thanks ops :) |
| 23:13.11 | asdfasdf | whats the best way to purge samba and everything related to it? |
| 23:13.19 | abrotman | helix: i was just wondering where you had been hiding lately |
| 23:13.33 | myren | JGL: i dunno, my musepack packages are broken right now. i'm sure they'll be fixed in a couple weeks. |
| 23:13.35 | Wowzer | k...looking into rsync |
| 23:13.37 | mrbig | any body can help me? |
| 23:13.40 | asdfasdf | anyone? |
| 23:13.44 | helix | abrotman: in an office building |
| 23:13.46 | myren | you're all beyondhelp |
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| 23:13.51 | abrotman | helix: still PHP ? |
| 23:13.53 | cureless | asdfasdf: apt-get remove samba samba-common |
| 23:14.00 | maher | helix: how's the new job? do youhave to do work? |
| 23:14.01 | dondelelcaro | mit --purge |
| 23:14.08 | helix | abrotman: no, I have a new job |
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| 23:14.11 | asdfasdf | cureless: what about purge? |
| 23:14.12 | helix | maher: yes, I do.. :) |
| 23:14.12 | abrotman | helix: yay .. i think :) |
| 23:14.21 | cureless | asdfasdf: you can purge if you want to. |
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| 23:14.28 | asdfasdf | same commands? |
| 23:14.31 | abrotman | helix: still in the same city ? |
| 23:14.37 | blahdeblah | asdfasdf: You should use apt-get remove --purge if you want to remove *everything* |
| 23:14.39 | maher | helix: people told me about work - sounded scary... |
| 23:14.41 | cureless | asdfasdf: yes, man apt-get |
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| 23:14.51 | helix | abrotman: yes... why are you acting french? |
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| 23:15.07 | abrotman | helix: you ask me this all the time .. i have no idea .. it just started happening one day :) |
| 23:15.23 | adv80 | hi there |
| 23:15.23 | cureless | what is acting french? |
| 23:15.33 | abrotman | cureless: leaving your question mark like this ? |
| 23:15.35 | abrotman | apparently |
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| 23:15.40 | yaarg | !remove gnome |
| 23:15.40 | dpkg | i heard remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 23:15.43 | helix | abrotman: well, stop it |
| 23:15.48 | abrotman | helix: i tried .. i can't :) |
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| 23:15.58 | abrotman | helix: but at least i started using apostrophes :) |
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| 23:16.17 | helix | it's a miracle |
| 23:16.19 | cureless | abrotman: do you put punctuation inside or outside quotes? |
| 23:16.22 | maher | helix: do you like have to go to work every day? |
| 23:16.30 | abrotman | cureless: i think it depends on the context |
| 23:16.45 | reagent | cureless: AFAIK inside in english |
| 23:16.46 | abrotman | cureless: but i'd wager outside |
| 23:16.47 | helix | maher: well |
| 23:16.49 | yaarg | !remove kde |
| 23:16.49 | dpkg | [remove kde] apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 23:16.50 | helix | I don't know |
| 23:16.51 | helix | it's ok |
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| 23:16.59 | lef | are there any console mail clients other than mutt? |
| 23:17.05 | yaarg | YES! |
| 23:17.06 | abrotman | mailx ? |
| 23:17.06 | cureless | yeah, I don't like the inside thing, though I know it's "the right thing". |
| 23:17.06 | yaarg | wtf |
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| 23:17.07 | abrotman | elm ? |
| 23:17.10 | yaarg | pine |
| 23:17.12 | yaarg | hundreds |
| 23:17.15 | yaarg | telnet |
| 23:17.17 | maher | helix: such enthusiasm! and you've only just started... ;) |
| 23:17.18 | abrotman | ping isn't in debian |
| 23:17.20 | lef | pine is not free |
| 23:17.20 | abrotman | er pine |
| 23:17.28 | lef | is elm any good? |
| 23:17.33 | yaarg | not shit sherlock |
| 23:17.34 | ben418 | just installed sarge, i'm kinda new to linux and I can find out how to setup a uk keyboard... my hash, at and quote symbols are wrong! anybody know how to change it? |
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| 23:17.40 | NaturalRoots | hi |
| 23:17.44 | abrotman | wait .. no elm in debian ? |
| 23:17.44 | asdfasdf | how do i change a users password in debian |
| 23:17.49 | NaturalRoots | howto for debian+postfix+auth+mysql |
| 23:17.52 | lef | no elm either? |
| 23:17.53 | NaturalRoots | forr debian |
| 23:17.55 | cureless | ben418: in console or on X? |
| 23:18.02 | ben418 | both |
| 23:18.06 | lef | is there a console mail client other than mutt for debian? |
| 23:18.07 | abrotman | there's an elmo :) |
| 23:18.10 | myren | are there any mp3 players known to be mizers for CPU? i use my frakking mp3 player just to save 18% CPU for xmms. |
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| 23:18.26 | K_Dallas | it is wierd! clamav 0.85 is released and now that i want to update the database it refuses, saying that my clamav 0.84 is too old! and i do not see any update for it thru apt-get |
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| 23:18.58 | cureless | lef: elmo, emacs |
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| 23:19.22 | lef | cureless, I don't run emacs on the server :) |
| 23:19.29 | lef | cureless, I am trying elmo now |
| 23:19.36 | cureless | lef: what's wrong with mutt? |
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| 23:19.54 | abrotman | cureless: i don't blame him .. i don't much care for mutt either |
| 23:20.00 | lef | cureless, steep learnign cure. I don't have the time to learn its kinks, have been trying for days now |
| 23:20.02 | cureless | lef: oh yeah, there's also "mail" |
| 23:20.40 | lef | cureless, I have a million things to take care of and learn. Mutt demands to be the center of my learning universe |
| 23:20.46 | cureless | lef: its easy, what kinks are you stuck on? You can probably download a config that'll do the same pine commands that you're used to. The editor can be changed and '?' will always give you help |
| 23:21.15 | lef | cureless, for a week now it keeps asking me to move read mail to ~/Maildir/ yet this is the dir I am reading mail from |
| 23:21.16 | cureless | lef, m to mail, / to search, f to forward, d to delete :-) |
| 23:21.25 | lef | cureless, I went past that |
| 23:21.29 | abrotman | cureless: honestly ...elmo looks pretty slick |
| 23:21.31 | cureless | lef: you configured it that way. |
| 23:21.36 | abrotman | cureless: http://elmo.sourceforge.net/index.php?s=look&lang=en |
| 23:21.40 | mrbig | when I upgrade by command "apt-get dist-upgrade", my server always restarts while generating locales. What's the problem here? just help me plz... |
| 23:21.44 | lef | cureless, no I haven't |
| 23:21.54 | cureless | abrotman: hey, don't look at me, I was the one that suggested elmo as the first alternative to mutt :-) |
| 23:21.55 | lef | cureless, I am very frustrated |
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| 23:22.09 | abrotman | mrbig: what happens if you generate locales without apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:22.27 | abrotman | mrbig: locale-gen |
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| 23:22.33 | mrbig | it works fine |
| 23:22.41 | lef | cureless, and I am not a newbie either I maintain a server pretty well and have run production servers in the past (although I am not a prof. admin) |
| 23:22.43 | TbbW | in redhat i got mail about what login tryes i get with ssh failed password try counter and hosts |
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| 23:22.47 | abrotman | that's pretty odd then :) |
| 23:22.52 | TbbW | anyone know if i can get that with debian? |
| 23:22.53 | pzn | Hi! I just got a nvidia 64MB card :-) which 3D game do you suggest me to try? (debian sarge) |
| 23:22.55 | cureless | lef: mutt will ask you by default to move your mail to your mbox (inbox). It''ll ask you to move them from your spool directory. If you set both the same.. |
| 23:23.02 | mrbig | but when I upgrade system, the server restarts while generating locales |
| 23:23.12 | Xinux | internet bashers are so gay and annoying |
| 23:23.19 | cureless | lef: I didn't mean it in a bad way. |
| 23:23.20 | abrotman | mrbig: aptitude dist-upgrade do the same thing ? |
| 23:23.23 | abrotman | !tell Xinux about gay |
| 23:23.25 | cureless | gay bashers are so anoying |
| 23:23.25 | helo | what is the most reliable way to use two ide disks as one (incase of disk failure)? |
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| 23:23.35 | abrotman | helo: RAID1 |
| 23:23.42 | pipeline | pzn: etfgame.com |
| 23:23.43 | lef | oh god. Elmo looks bad...If I resize my xterm it gets the signal and aborts, lol |
| 23:23.43 | helo | software raid? |
| 23:23.46 | ben418 | do locales identify what country keyboard is in use? |
| 23:23.49 | abrotman | lef: cute |
| 23:23.54 | CyberianIce | Hi! |
| 23:23.56 | lef | back to mutt |
| 23:23.57 | abrotman | helo: dunno .. i use hardware raid |
| 23:23.58 | pipeline | helo: mdadm, RAID1 |
| 23:24.00 | mrbig | abrotman: I'ven't tried |
| 23:24.06 | abrotman | mrbig: so try it? :) |
| 23:24.15 | pipeline | helo: Install grub on both disks |
| 23:24.21 | pipeline | helo: Or lilo or whatever. |
| 23:24.29 | mrbig | abrotman: locale-gen also causes the same problem |
| 23:24.33 | cureless | lef: just spend some time configuring mutt, you wont regret it. I'll help you out if you have questions. |
| 23:24.40 | abrotman | mrbig: oh . i thought you said it was fine ? |
| 23:24.51 | helo | i have an installation on one disk, i want to copy it to the other disk and keep the disks synched at least daily |
| 23:24.54 | lef | cureless, care to help with this frustrating problem? set mbox_type="Maildir" set mbox="~/Maildir/" set folder="~/Maildir/" set spoolfile="~/Maildir" |
| 23:25.19 | pipeline | helo: Well, run RAID-1. They'll sync to each other in real time. |
| 23:25.31 | mrbig | abrotman: locale-gen used to work fine |
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| 23:25.38 | helo | as long as software raid is stable enough... |
| 23:25.39 | lef | based on the above, I don't understand why on earth it wants to move mail to MMaildir, it is told taht everything is there anyway! |
| 23:25.42 | cureless | lef: mail comes into your spool "file'. mutt will by default start there. mbox is your "permanent" inbox dir, where you save stuff. |
| 23:25.44 | abrotman | mrbig: cute .. aptitude dist-upgrade .. same problem ? |
| 23:25.54 | pzn | pipeline, seems nice! is it a game engine like scummvm? |
| 23:26.03 | mrbig | abrotman: server is restarting, I try it now |
| 23:26.13 | abrotman | mrbig: gotcha |
| 23:26.14 | lef | cureless, yes and I have both set them to Maildir |
| 23:26.24 | pipeline | pzn: No, it's a game. |
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| 23:26.45 | cureless | lef: then just set the variable move to no |
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| 23:27.08 | cureless | lef: that way it wont ask you if you want to move them there every time. |
| 23:27.16 | lef | cureless, that's like hiding the problem (if I find out which variabloe I have to set). Why does it ask this at the first place? |
| 23:27.34 | helo | hmm |
| 23:27.45 | cureless | lef: because the spool mailbox is different than the inbox mailbox. |
| 23:27.58 | cureless | lef: you just set it to be the same file (mdir) |
| 23:28.27 | nunez | whats the option for mplayer to do wmv? |
| 23:28.37 | K_Dallas | to encode? |
| 23:28.39 | abrotman | #mplayer ? |
| 23:28.39 | nunez | !dpkg marillat |
| 23:28.39 | dpkg | marillat is probably an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 23:28.50 | lef | cureless, yes I did because someone at #mutt adviced me to do so |
| 23:29.10 | lef | cureless, ok I understand how to stop this from happening (the move thing) |
| 23:29.17 | cureless | lef: ok, so now I told you how to get rid of the question. |
| 23:29.22 | nunez | hmm, Ive added that to sources.list, how what do I apt-get? |
| 23:29.23 | abrotman | use pine! |
| 23:29.26 | lef | cureless, but I am still dazed and confused about what's happening with these dirs to be honest :/ |
| 23:29.34 | abrotman | nunez: apt-get update |
| 23:29.38 | abrotman | then install mplayer |
| 23:29.41 | nunez | did that |
| 23:29.43 | pzn | pipeline, what should I download? only ETF "1.3 Full Linux Installer"? is it free software? |
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| 23:29.53 | mrbig | abrotman: I can't run aptitude dist-ugrade because server was rebooted while upgrading. It recommends "dpkg --configure -a" to correct this problem. |
| 23:29.59 | nunez | ahh |
| 23:30.00 | cureless | lef: easy, when the MTA gets a mail, it places it in the spool file. That might, or might not be in a system wide place (/var) |
| 23:30.01 | nunez | nice |
| 23:30.03 | abrotman | mrbig: oh .. cute |
| 23:30.29 | cureless | lef: your inbox dir is supposed to be in your $HOME. mutt ask you if you want to move the mails there after you read them. |
| 23:30.46 | maher | mrbig: do you have local access to this server |
| 23:30.54 | cureless | lef: in your case, you set both mail dirs/files to be the same. |
| 23:30.56 | mrbig | mathe: I do have |
| 23:31.14 | abrotman | maher: ^^ |
| 23:31.18 | lef | cureless, yes I have exim configured to deliver to ~/Maildir |
| 23:31.37 | lef | cureless, what's a quadoption? |
| 23:31.38 | maher | mrbig: well - something is very wrong - but i don't know what offhand - does it say anythign useful in the logs |
| 23:31.56 | abrotman | mrbig: how many locales do you have generating ? |
| 23:31.57 | cureless | lef: quadoption means it has 4 possible options, no, ask-no, ask-yes and yes. |
| 23:32.14 | cureless | lef: ask-no and ask-yes are asking with a default set to no/yes |
| 23:32.14 | mrbig | mathe: I have checked all the logs file, no infomation about this... |
| 23:32.30 | mrbig | abrotma: I just have 4 or 5 |
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| 23:32.38 | abrotman | mrbig: can you remove some of them ? |
| 23:32.59 | maher | mrbig: try debsums and chkrootkit |
| 23:33.06 | abrotman | oh yeah .. that too :) |
| 23:33.30 | mrbig | ok, I try it now... |
| 23:33.30 | lef | cureless, ah I see |
| 23:33.32 | nunez | abrotman, I do "mplayer blah.wmv" and I get no video |
| 23:33.32 | lef | thank you |
| 23:33.44 | abrotman | nunez: i don't use mplayer .. totem does what i need |
| 23:33.52 | cureless | lef: no problem. you're still free to use any MUA you want :-) |
| 23:34.19 | lef | cureless, well there aren't many options besides mutt unless if I go for pine which is non-free |
| 23:34.41 | abrotman | lef: sarge sid woody ? |
| 23:34.46 | lef | cureless, how do I get my sent mail to be saved to 'sent', and all the nice goodies that pine has |
| 23:34.52 | lef | abrotman, sarge |
| 23:35.13 | abrotman | lef: http://packages.debian.org/testing/mail/ ... see if there are any others there |
| 23:35.21 | cureless | lef: set record=+.Sent/ and set copy=yes |
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| 23:35.57 | cureless | lef: "record" sets the folder, "copy" tells it to save a copy there. |
| 23:36.10 | lef | cureless, hm, do I have to create this Sent dir myself? It does have to be in Maildir format (for IMAP compatibility) doesn't it? |
| 23:36.26 | lef | cureless, yes I figured that much, thank you :) |
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| 23:36.45 | cureless | lef: hmm, I don't remember, I think it creates it for you if it doesn't exist. |
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| 23:37.08 | cureless | lef: feel free to name it whatever you want, I use .Sent to have it be compatible with the imap server. |
| 23:37.14 | lef | cureless, yes but does it create a Maildir type? |
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| 23:38.04 | cureless | lef: yes 'cause it has a / at the end. I also use mbox_type=Maildir |
| 23:38.54 | mrbig | maher: I don't have debsums adn chkrootkit installed....and I can't apt-get install. |
| 23:38.59 | lef | cureless, and will 'record=+.Sent/' create it under ~/Maildir/? |
| 23:39.12 | abrotman | mrbig: you tried removing a few locales ? |
| 23:39.24 | cureless | lef: that's what the + does. |
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| 23:39.57 | cureless | lef: create it under the folder variable, which IIRC you set to ~/Maildir/ |
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| 23:39.59 | mrbig | abrotman: not yet, I do it now |
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| 23:40.21 | pzn | pipeline: what is the diference between ETF1.3 or Wolfeinstein Enemy Territory? which one should I download? |
| 23:40.37 | tdn_ | How do I get hold of a GSM modem connected to my serial port? |
| 23:40.47 | Gil_ | pzn: ETF is Enemy Territory Fortress, and requires Enemy Territory to play |
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| 23:40.56 | lef | cureless, you are a star. You saved me an hour of frustration :) |
| 23:41.00 | spiekey | norox: hi, r u there? |
| 23:41.12 | cureless | lef: you mean 15 minutes of reading the man page + google |
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| 23:41.35 | pzn | Gil: you mean that only downloading ETF1.3 from its site will not be enough to play? |
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| 23:42.30 | lef | cureless, believe me. I have printed out and read the quick howto, I have googled a lot and asked in #mutt many times about settings (not just these) |
| 23:42.49 | pipeline | pzn: Download either, or both. |
| 23:42.50 | cureless | lef, well, at any rate, I'm happy to be of help |
| 23:42.58 | lef | cureless, thank you very much indeed |
| 23:43.04 | cureless | lef: np |
| 23:43.16 | mrbig | abrotman: what is the best way to remove few locales, my dpkg-reconfigure locales was broken |
| 23:43.19 | pipeline | pzn: ETF is based on Wolf:ET, in that it uses some art assets and the engine, but it's a standalone game |
| 23:43.34 | tdn_ | I have tried using minicom. |
| 23:43.37 | Gil_ | pzn: aye |
| 23:43.40 | abrotman | mrbig: vi ? |
| 23:43.47 | tdn_ | But it does not work. Cant find the modem. |
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| 23:44.48 | pzn | pipeline, if I download only etf1.3, will I be able to play? |
| 23:45.25 | cafuego | pzn: Does this look like #proprietary_software? |
| 23:45.29 | lef | cureless, you said earlier "set copy to yes". Is this a standalone directive or I should place it after the Record thingy? |
| 23:45.33 | pipeline | pzn: Yup. |
| 23:45.35 | mrbig | abrotman: ohh, it works nicely |
| 23:45.47 | cureless | lef: set copy=yes |
| 23:46.07 | pipeline | cafuego: Debian makes a great deal of non-free software available. I imagine that a big reason that ETF and Wolf:ET are not is mirror space. |
| 23:46.10 | asdfasdf | guys |
| 23:46.12 | asdfasdf | i need help |
| 23:46.16 | asdfasdf | i have a directory called private |
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| 23:46.27 | pzn | cafuego, sorry... it just started that I wanted some hint of a game to test my new 3d video card with debian sarge. it could also be a game in debian pool... |
| 23:46.27 | abrotman | mrbig: erm .. ok .. if you can find out which one was causing the problem .. that would be great .. then you could file a bug |
| 23:46.27 | mrbig | abrotman:I've removed 3 locales and it works fine |
| 23:46.28 | leikh | when i run fsck i always get some percentages non-contiguous on each of my partitions. should i be worried? |
| 23:46.29 | cureless | debian needs to rework the mirroring system. |
| 23:46.31 | asdfasdf | i need to move everything from private into another folder without creating a gfolder called private |
| 23:46.32 | abrotman | mrbig: yay |
| 23:46.34 | lef | cureless, thank you once more. Last, how do I move between folders in mutt? (this is a lazy question I admit it :) |
| 23:46.39 | cafuego | pzn: apt-cache search 3d |
| 23:46.39 | asdfasdf | is this possdible? |
| 23:46.54 | Phated | asdfasdf: mv private/* folder/ |
| 23:47.02 | cafuego | Though i find 'nethack' runs pretty well on mostc ards. |
| 23:47.23 | cureless | lef: type "?" scroll down to the command that says move, learn the key. :-) . It's 'c' |
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| 23:47.39 | mrbig | abrotman yes, thx u very much, may be the UTF-8 package caused this probelm |
| 23:47.52 | lef | cureless, ;-) thaaaaank you! :))))) |
| 23:48.22 | abrotman | mrbig: perhaps .. that's why i said to file a bug if you can find out which locale caused the issue |
| 23:49.04 | pzn | cafuego, thanks. "tuxkart" seems to have a good description... will try it... |
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| 23:49.19 | abrotman | mrbig: and you're welcome :) |
| 23:50.14 | mrbig | abrotman I run fsck now :) |
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| 23:51.41 | cafuego | pzn: Also try 'tuxracer' and maybe 'frozen bubble' (though the latter isn't 3d) |
| 23:51.56 | abrotman | mrbig: ok |
| 23:52.06 | sseses | Hi, is there a lightweight, multiplatform tool for just reading the open document format? (odt) |
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| 23:52.26 | cafuego | firefox? |
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| 23:52.40 | sseses | firefox reads it? |
| 23:52.40 | GaveUp | ok, i have a usb keyboard and mouse here and every couple of seconds it seems to 'reset itself' and the numlock flashs on/off and i lose ability to type. Any ideas what could be causing this? |
| 23:52.56 | cafuego | As fara s I'm aware it's just XML, so i don't see why not. it probably won't *display* it very well, though, |
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| 23:53.38 | sseses | cafuego: i read it in vim, it is not xml |
| 23:53.44 | jshoenberger | exit |
| 23:53.45 | leikh | how do i defrag a partition? |
| 23:53.57 | cafuego | then 'apt-cache search odt' should see you right. |
| 23:53.58 | asdfasdf | anyone ever use SWAT with samba? |
| 23:53.58 | asdfasdf | ? |
| 23:54.10 | cafuego | leikh: Why do you think you need to? |
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| 23:55.11 | leikh | cafuego: some percentages non-contiguous... but perhaps i don't need to worry till i reach like 90 percent? |
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| 23:55.36 | jim | leikh: what kind of partition |
| 23:55.41 | jim | err what format |
| 23:55.43 | cafuego | leikh: What percentage does it claim now? |
| 23:55.56 | leikh | cafuego: 15 % |
| 23:56.00 | cafuego | jim: 'fs type' ? |
| 23:56.07 | jim | yeah |
| 23:56.16 | cafuego | leikh: exit2? |
| 23:56.19 | cafuego | s/i// |
| 23:56.21 | leikh | cafuego: ext3 |
| 23:57.02 | cafuego | Well, I suppose you could give ext2defrag a try, but personally I wouldn't bother. |
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| 23:57.15 | jim | okwell... I'm not completely sure, but if there is a defragger, it would be for ext3 specifically... and maybe even for a specific version of ext3 |
| 23:57.20 | Skaag | how do I know if make-kpkg actually managed to perform the kernel-patch of grsecurity? |
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| 23:58.22 | jim | Skaag: the output would say so? |
| 23:58.41 | Skaag | hm. |
| 23:58.50 | jim | Skaag: try to apply the patch and see if it asks if you want to -R? |
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| 23:59.10 | jim | (that one's dangerous to some extent) |
| 23:59.17 | Skaag | jim: I would expect to see some output about patching, before it starts compiling... but i have seen none. |
| 23:59.29 | cafuego | Yes. See --dry-run |
| 23:59.29 | Skaag | ah ok will try that |
| 23:59.33 | leikh | cafuego: is it likely to expect lesser percentages non-contiguous with a reiserfs? |
| 23:59.35 | jim | that's what I would have expected too |
| 23:59.45 | trc | any one knows who the hell are tvaddicts.tv? found them trying to buy "3rd rock from the sun" and the company looks very funny to me. run mtr on it and you will see |
| 23:59.46 | cafuego | leikh: nah, only a higher percentage of failure. |
