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| 00:00.13 | leikh | cafuego: how come? |
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| 00:00.23 | cafuego | leikh: It's a lot less stable than extX |
| 00:00.29 | jim | you could probably expect a higer possibility of total data loss... according, at least, to some of the anecdotes were thrown around here |
| 00:00.43 | leikh | cafuego: advantages? |
| 00:01.00 | jim | complete fear of loss? |
| 00:01.01 | cafuego | Mind you, the only FS that has broken completely and lost all data for me has been XFS (twice) |
| 00:01.26 | jim | how long ago? (ugh, that's horrible... sorry to hear that...) |
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| 00:01.49 | leikh | well, he had backup :-) |
| 00:01.50 | cafuego | jim: First time was a year or 2, then last year again (just a crusty laptop, no unbackedup data) |
| 00:02.01 | lef | cureless, 'C' creates a dir (the setting in .muttrc doesn't seem to create it) but hmm...I get "Create is only supported for IMAP mailboxes" (although I am in an IMAP mailbox, ~/Maildir). What have I understood wrong? |
| 00:02.09 | K_Dallas | do we have something like the old dos2unix or ToUNIX for Debian? thanks |
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| 00:02.23 | cafuego | !info unix2dos |
| 00:02.29 | cureless | lef: what do you want to do exactly? |
| 00:02.35 | cafuego | !info dos2unix |
| 00:02.44 | jim | K_Dallas: probably, yes... but that functionality can also be recreated in several other ways |
| 00:02.44 | cafuego | !lart dpkg |
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| 00:02.54 | K_Dallas | true jim |
| 00:03.02 | cafuego | that's right |
| 00:03.04 | lef | I want to create a sent diorectory and save all the emails I send in there (automatically) |
| 00:03.07 | cafuego | !find bin/dos2unix |
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| 00:03.14 | cafuego | it's in a *-utils package now |
| 00:03.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dos2unix' (1): (/usr/bin/dos2unix) in utils/sysutils. |
| 00:03.31 | jim | that should be installed, no? |
| 00:03.41 | K_Dallas | i dont have it so i guess yes |
| 00:03.42 | cafuego | !info sysutils |
| 00:03.44 | jim | by its name, sounds baselike |
| 00:03.45 | lef | cureless, I used the config line you specified but it seems mutt doesn't create the dir on its own |
| 00:03.48 | dpkg | sysutils: (Miscellaneous small system utilities.), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.3.8.5.1 (sid), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 00:03.55 | cafuego | optional |
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| 00:04.13 | cureless | lef: for the .Sent? |
| 00:04.13 | jim | it's just a syssy package :P |
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| 00:04.20 | lef | cureless, yes :) |
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| 00:04.42 | lef | cureless, (does it have to be with a capital 'S' and a dot in front?) |
| 00:05.10 | K_Dallas | thanks cafuego :) |
| 00:05.13 | K_Dallas | it is working now |
| 00:05.24 | cureless | lef: you can name it whatever you want. The . is just to comply with the imap server (so I can see the folder if I use an imap client). |
| 00:05.42 | karamelos | any firestarter user knows how to prevent just the firewall messages from been shown in the console? |
| 00:05.56 | abrotman | that's an iptables question |
| 00:06.09 | abrotman | cureless: you're still giving a mutt tutorial ? |
| 00:06.13 | cureless | lef: grab any mail, type 's' (to save), then =.Sent, it should ask you if you want to create the dir. |
| 00:06.20 | cureless | abrotman: I thought we were done, I guess not. |
| 00:06.34 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:07.20 | lef | cureless, lets try that :) |
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| 00:08.23 | lef | cureless, that worked but when I press 'c' the folder is still not there ... |
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| 00:08.53 | cureless | lef: what do you type after 'c'? |
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| 00:09.30 | helo | does the stock stable kernel support software raid? |
| 00:09.58 | lef | cureless, Sent and .Sent |
| 00:10.05 | helo | via module or otherwise |
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| 00:10.11 | gargleblaster | helo: the debian kernel, yes |
| 00:10.16 | pipeline | helo: I think so, but I don't think there's a useful version of mdadm. |
| 00:10.25 | lef | cureless, I could see the dir listing too but I can't get it now for some reason... |
| 00:10.26 | cureless | lef: well, unless you're runnig mutt from your Maildir that's not going to work. You need to say "=.Sent" |
| 00:10.36 | helo | hmm |
| 00:10.44 | lef | cureless, I am running mutt from my maildir |
| 00:10.52 | cureless | lef: however, the shorthand for your sent folder is "<", "!" is your spool, ">" is your inbox. |
| 00:10.54 | helo | 2.4.22 is the kernel in stable, right? |
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| 00:11.08 | lef | cureless, ok, the '=' did it |
| 00:11.12 | abrotman | helix: no |
| 00:11.13 | helo | i can't remember if i recompiled it or not |
| 00:11.14 | abrotman | err helo |
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| 00:11.22 | helo | damn... i must have... |
| 00:11.24 | abrotman | helix: sorry |
| 00:11.31 | cureless | lef: just change to the folder "<" that's your sent folder. |
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| 00:12.12 | lef | cureless, not sure I understand that |
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| 00:12.25 | lef | cureless, "<" moves up |
| 00:12.26 | abrotman | !lose mutt manual |
| 00:12.26 | dpkg | mutt manual: You Lose. |
| 00:12.29 | abrotman | aw .. |
| 00:12.30 | abrotman | that sucked |
| 00:12.37 | cureless | lef: type "c" to change folder, it'll ask you what folder to change to, type "<", hit enter. |
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| 00:12.48 | lef | cureless, oh |
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| 00:13.25 | lef | cureless, it remained in the Sent folder |
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| 00:14.10 | lef | cureless, that's ok. I will take the day off tomorrow and read the manual |
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| 00:14.34 | lef | cureless, or I will start pulling my hair out. Why these people didn't make Pine free...oh why |
| 00:14.37 | cureless | lef: alright, I'll assume you're tired. "<" is an alias to the sent mail folder. "!" is an alias to the spool folder. ">" is an alias to the inbox folder. (same as the spool in your case). |
| 00:15.00 | lef | cureless, I am not tired. I just don't want to abuse your willingness to help |
| 00:15.31 | Eclipser | where can I check the latest changes in sarge? |
| 00:15.31 | lef | cureless, I can stay here and read your instructions for another hour as it helps me a lot |
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| 00:15.52 | ancein | Eclipser: debian.org |
| 00:16.04 | lef | cureless, but pressing 'c' and then '<' leaves me to .Sent |
| 00:16.04 | K_Dallas | is there a way to use su and still the files that i modify as the root have my user's permissions? thx |
| 00:16.13 | abrotman | Eclipser: you mean packages updated today ? |
| 00:16.14 | lef | cureless, perhaps because I don't have an Inbox?? |
| 00:16.38 | Eclipser | abrotman, during the last three days or so... something (I think maybe libglade) broke my gnomeicu :) |
| 00:16.39 | cureless | lef: STOP!!! "<" is ALWAYS the sent folder. Where do you want it to take you? |
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| 00:16.54 | lef | cureless, OH, lol |
| 00:16.54 | abrotman | Eclipser: did it update in the last three days ? |
| 00:17.04 | Wyzard | K_Dallas: man chown |
| 00:17.08 | abrotman | cureless: you are my mutt mentor .. LOL ... |
| 00:17.17 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 00:17.31 | K_Dallas | i mean to do it automatically, right? |
| 00:17.33 | Eclipser | I can't remember if libglade was in there but I did update my system during the last three days |
| 00:17.57 | abrotman | i don't know of anywhere you can see that |
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| 00:18.12 | lef | cureless, would it be adviceable to create an Inbox folder to seperate it from my spool folder? |
| 00:18.32 | cureless | lef: I don't think you use it, so don't bother. |
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| 00:18.43 | cureless | lef: if you're so much more confortable with pine why don't you install that? |
| 00:18.53 | lef | cureless, it is not free |
| 00:18.57 | K_Dallas | Wyzard, it seemsthat chown cannot set the preference for me and i have to chown manually. that is not what i had in mind though |
| 00:19.05 | lef | cureless, I only use free software |
| 00:19.11 | maher | lef: there is a pine builder package |
| 00:19.15 | K_Dallas | but maybe that is better to do it one at a time |
| 00:19.32 | lef | maher, does the way you build pine affect its license? |
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| 00:19.49 | abrotman | lef: pine is open source .. just has a cluase about redistributing .. it's not DFSG-free ..but it is free |
| 00:19.59 | maher | lef: the uw lawyers have a strange interpretation of the license |
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| 00:20.03 | abrotman | !tell lef about pine |
| 00:20.11 | Wyzard | K_Dallas: I don't know of any way to have newly-created files be owned by a different user by default |
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| 00:20.32 | K_Dallas | ok, it might not be a good idea afterall ;) but thanks |
| 00:20.33 | lef | yes, this is not GPL compatible |
| 00:20.43 | maher | lef: incidentally not shared by the developers of pine... |
| 00:20.47 | lef | I only use GPL compatible software as a matter of principle |
| 00:20.59 | masoft | MIDI not works in my computer. KMid say : can not open : /dev/sequencer ! what can I do ? |
| 00:20.59 | Wyzard | K_Dallas: No, it probably isn't :-) |
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| 00:21.06 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 00:21.11 | Eclipser | no wonder though, gnomeicu code is just HORRIBLE |
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| 00:21.50 | cureless | lef: you can also use a imap/pop server and use a graphical client if you want to. |
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| 00:21.52 | lef | cureless, now mutt is a bit more comfortable I will learn it bit by bit. It does have a steep learning curve for a mail client though |
| 00:22.06 | lef | cureless, sure |
| 00:22.08 | dondelelcaro | lef: not really... just hit ? whenever you get lost |
| 00:22.08 | abrotman | i'd try elmo again |
| 00:22.09 | cureless | lef: mail has a steep learning curve. |
| 00:22.21 | FieldySnuts | @start an mua war |
| 00:22.22 | ravenbird | mutt blows |
| 00:22.24 | FieldySnuts | hah |
| 00:22.29 | Phated | Heh. |
| 00:22.45 | lef | dondelelcaro, no. Would '?' tell me why mutt was asking to move mail from the folder I was to the folder I was?? |
| 00:22.47 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :) |
| 00:23.07 | lef | cureless, well Pine was a piece of cake by any standards |
| 00:23.07 | FieldySnuts | it's help, fool. |
| 00:23.13 | dondelelcaro | lef: uh, that sentence made no sense at all |
| 00:23.30 | lef | dondelelcaro, so does mutt to a newbie |
| 00:23.31 | cureless | dondelelcaro: you need to follow the (long) thread. |
| 00:23.42 | dondelelcaro | "folder I was to folder I was" is a tautology |
| 00:23.52 | FieldySnuts | it's just a text mail client... if you can't figure that out you got problems |
| 00:23.52 | lef | dondelelcaro, that was intentional |
| 00:24.00 | cureless | dondelelcaro: no, it's just not the best grammar. |
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| 00:24.25 | lef | dondelelcaro, I was trying to emphasize. excuse my grammar |
| 00:24.27 | Wowzer | what does this mean? Package mysql has no available version, but exists in the database. |
| 00:24.29 | Wowzer | This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and |
| 00:24.31 | Wowzer | never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents |
| 00:24.43 | pipeline | It means what it says. |
| 00:24.44 | dondelelcaro | Wowzer: you want mysql-server or mysql-client |
| 00:24.45 | abrotman | Wowzer: what are you trying to install ? |
| 00:24.53 | dondelelcaro | !tell Wowzer -about search |
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| 00:25.10 | Wowzer | ugh! mysqld! my bad |
| 00:25.20 | abrotman | ugh .. mysql license worser |
| 00:25.23 | lef | !tell me about the meaning of life |
| 00:26.04 | abrotman | Wowzer: so you want mysql-server |
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| 00:26.55 | psi | sombody with afs experience here? |
| 00:27.00 | dondelelcaro | psi: just ask your question |
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| 00:27.14 | Wowzer | abrotman- ty...I'm just senile. ;-) |
| 00:27.26 | abrotman | Wowzer: who are you? |
| 00:27.33 | Xinux | !tell Xinux -about search |
| 00:27.34 | cureless | he is senile. |
| 00:27.39 | dondelelcaro | Xinux: you can /msg the bot |
| 00:27.47 | psi | my afs client (on laptop) does not work at home, but in university and my parents home |
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| 00:28.40 | Wowzer | I'm just a dummie nix player...why do you ask? |
| 00:28.41 | psi | at home a la /afs/tu-chemnitz.de/ simply hangs |
| 00:28.42 | Xinux | dondelelcaro: or i could just type that command and save the trouble of adding the extra "/msg dpkg " |
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| 00:28.47 | jason_ | jason_ what do you have to type at the boot screen to use medium priority? linux debian-installer defconf/priority=medium ? |
| 00:28.49 | psi | forever |
| 00:29.10 | abrotman | jason_: are you asking yourself ? |
| 00:29.14 | Phated | Xinux: "/msg dpkg search" is shorter than "!tell me about search". |
| 00:29.39 | jason_ | abrotman: no- i originally said that in #fedora by mistake :) |
| 00:29.42 | abrotman | Wowzer: it was a joke about being senile |
| 00:29.51 | cureless | Phated: but the '/' is worth 10 more scrabble points than the "!" |
| 00:29.58 | Wowzer | what joke? I don't recall. ;-) |
| 00:30.01 | abrotman | jason_: i believe that is correct .. ask #debian-boot to know for certain |
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| 00:30.40 | jason_ | thanks abrotman |
| 00:30.47 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: how did you know ? |
| 00:30.49 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:30.50 | abrotman | nm |
| 00:31.08 | dondelelcaro | Xinux: do not harass the bot again, or you will be banned. |
| 00:31.26 | Xinux | time* |
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| 00:33.00 | psi | hm |
| 00:33.01 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
| 00:33.02 | SDFH_Linux | la la la |
| 00:33.08 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: me |
| 00:33.23 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: stop abusing the bot .. or i'll . uhm . damn . i have no recourse :) |
| 00:33.28 | Phated | dondelelcaro has awesome bot-powar. |
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| 00:37.05 | CasaNova | I'm having some trouble finding an acroread deb package anyone point me in the right direcction? ( I get a deprecated error in apt-cache search - Sarge) |
| 00:37.18 | maher | CasaNova: you need marillat's sources |
| 00:37.23 | KerPlunk | acroread sucks dick |
| 00:37.26 | KerPlunk | Just use xpdf |
| 00:37.30 | abrotman | xpdf sucks |
| 00:37.35 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 00:37.38 | KerPlunk | !start a pdf war |
| 00:37.41 | K_Dallas | acroread 7 is very nice |
| 00:37.42 | KerPlunk | bleh |
| 00:37.44 | CasaNova | Well thank you and thanks for the informational analysis as well |
| 00:37.45 | dondelelcaro | blech |
| 00:37.46 | KerPlunk | !start a distro war |
| 00:37.46 | dpkg | SuSE sux0rz! |
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| 00:37.56 | K_Dallas | lol |
| 00:38.02 | KerPlunk | CasaNova: apt-get -y install xpdf |
| 00:38.13 | dondelelcaro | unless you actually need acroread, you probably shouldn't use it |
| 00:38.20 | KerPlunk | I agree. |
| 00:38.28 | K_Dallas | CasaNova, you do not need a deb for that, ge their bin and install it, it would work on debian,sarge |
| 00:38.30 | CasaNova | Some of my PDFs require adobe - darn huh? |
| 00:38.40 | abrotman | they *require* ? |
| 00:38.44 | KerPlunk | I've never seen a pdf that requires adobe. |
| 00:38.46 | KerPlunk | That's odd. |
| 00:38.58 | CasaNova | It states some error about features not supported etc |
| 00:39.03 | cureless | I love it when code compiles correctly <queue A-Team music> |
| 00:39.09 | abrotman | it's probably those stupid postit looking things |
| 00:39.13 | CasaNova | but works fine in acroread later than 6 I thiink |
| 00:39.16 | dondelelcaro | yes, there are some features that are not supported, like javascript, which is crap anyway |
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| 00:39.54 | Thaiger | Just got a flash drive, plugged it in, saw it show up in dmesg and tried to mount it, but it says "unknown filesystem msdos" |
| 00:39.58 | Ether_Man | Some PDFs have features that only the adobe readers can actually handle.. They wont _require_ adobe.. but you will need an adobe reader to gain access to those functions.. |
| 00:39.59 | K_Dallas | CasaNova, i told you, download what they have to offer from their webpage ans install it. |
| 00:40.11 | jason_ | you guys were right. the partition program in the installer is damn easy to use |
| 00:40.19 | abrotman | Thaiger: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 00:40.26 | Thaiger | abrotman: yes |
| 00:40.33 | CasaNova | K_Dallas: yes thank you, I was just trying to ascertain if a deb existed I find them much easier to manage... |
| 00:40.34 | dondelelcaro | Ether_Man: that's basically the javascript and the javascript bindings for acrobat |
| 00:40.47 | dondelelcaro | Ether_Man: it's not really a big deal for non-form pdfs |
| 00:40.54 | abrotman | Thaiger: guess you forgot to compile msdos/vfat support in .. please play again :) |
| 00:40.57 | K_Dallas | CasaNova, havent seen one for ver7 |
| 00:41.14 | CasaNova | Thanks anything past 5 shoudl be fine I guess... |
| 00:41.23 | K_Dallas | and that is the only version i use under linux, previous ones were terrible ;) |
| 00:41.24 | Ether_Man | dondelelcaro: mostly yes.. some other minor features too.. nothing really needed normally but still |
| 00:41.27 | Thaiger | abrotman: But I can mount my windows partition |
| 00:41.31 | CasaNova | I'll go with the adobe installer and put it in opt... |
| 00:41.39 | abrotman | Thaiger: which is what ? |
| 00:41.42 | CasaNova | thanks. |
| 00:41.50 | Thaiger | abrotman: vfat |
| 00:41.56 | jason_ | i forgot to do the kernel2.6 option. Can i just upgrade later? |
| 00:42.03 | dondelelcaro | Ether_Man: the other part is the form filling... that's pretty much it. However, it's not like the pdf standard isn't open. |
| 00:42.07 | abrotman | jason_: yes |
| 00:42.10 | dondelelcaro | the documentation for it is about 700 pages long |
| 00:42.18 | abrotman | Thaiger: i use a debian kernel .. never had such an issue |
| 00:42.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: is that all ? |
| 00:42.34 | jason_ | abrotman: apt get upgrade kernel2.6 ? |
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| 00:42.54 | abrotman | jason_: which CPU ? |
| 00:43.07 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes... but I think it may depend on the PS documentation in some areas. I haven't really bothered to read it though. |
| 00:43.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:43.58 | jason_ | abrotman: intel 1.6 ghz mobile |
| 00:44.04 | abrotman | the RTF documentation was enough of a mess for me :) |
| 00:44.13 | abrotman | jason_: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 00:44.23 | cureless | later, time to go home |
| 00:44.32 | jason_ | what mirror should i choose if i'm on the east coast with a fast broadband connection - 6 mbit |
| 00:44.54 | abrotman | jason_: i think rutgers has one |
| 00:45.03 | abrotman | pair is in pittsburgh iirc .. mit is there too |
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| 00:45.10 | abrotman | jason_: apt-spy |
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| 00:46.23 | jason_ | abrotman: i'm currently in the installer |
| 00:46.36 | abrotman | jason_: just pick any for now .. you can change it later |
| 00:46.46 | BitShift | hello. question, are UIDs between 500 and 1000 used by debian or can i use them without any side effects? |
| 00:47.29 | dondelelcaro | BitShift: there's really no reason to use them |
| 00:47.43 | dondelelcaro | BitShift: better off just use things > 1000 |
| 00:48.13 | BitShift | dondelelcaro, i was thinking of using them for stuff like postgresql users. i'll still place real users above 1000. |
| 00:48.45 | dondelelcaro | BitShift: yeah, you can use them for that... almost all of the Debian users are dynamicly allocated, so they won't conflict |
| 00:49.01 | dondelelcaro | BitShift: of course, you don't really need to create postgresql users... since you can just use password authentication |
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| 00:49.14 | K_Dallas | what can i use to convert jpg to eps? I have done it under windows and latex complains about my ps! |
| 00:49.32 | dondelelcaro | K_Dallas: use graphicx and make pdf figures |
| 00:49.40 | BitShift | dondelelcaro, i guess... that would work too... haven't had the time to read the manual of postgresql. i just skimmed it... anyway, back to reading... thanks. |
| 00:49.44 | dondelelcaro | K_Dallas: or, convert foo.jpg foo.eps |
| 00:49.48 | jason_ | what do you have access to in the installer? i can't find some packages like gaim |
| 00:49.56 | K_Dallas | i use graphicx but the scan is in jpg |
| 00:50.02 | zinx | K_Dallas: sam2p, apparently. apt-cache search convert jpg eps |
| 00:50.10 | abrotman | jason_: you're just doing the base now .. you will reboot .. it will ask a few more questions .. then let oyu install stuff like gaim |
| 00:50.13 | dondelelcaro | K_Dallas: that's fine. If you use graphicx and make pdfs, you can include jpgs |
| 00:50.13 | K_Dallas | thanks, will try them |
| 00:50.23 | K_Dallas | oh! let me see then :) |
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| 00:50.40 | K_Dallas | dondelelcaro, should i give pdf as option to graphicx? |
| 00:50.50 | sunreef | hi crowd. |
| 00:50.50 | jason_ | abrotman: i'm in aptitude. i have already chosen the base and reboote4d |
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| 00:50.52 | dondelelcaro | K_Dallas: pdftex, yes. |
| 00:51.00 | K_Dallas | oh, that is it, thanks |
| 00:51.09 | abrotman | jason_: did you run apt-get update ? |
| 00:51.15 | abrotman | jason_: or aptitude update ? |
| 00:51.31 | jason_ | no, it just went into aptitude |
| 00:51.41 | sunreef | i have usb problems with MEPIS and cups but both #mepis and #cups can't help out (now). |
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| 00:51.52 | sunreef | any usb / cups persons here... ? |
| 00:52.06 | abrotman | jason_: hrm .. i don't use aptitude .. so i can't help too much .. i usually skip aptitude .. and just use apt-get |
| 00:52.35 | sunreef | I'll outline the problem and state that I am using Debian since 1998 but only with X since 2002 |
| 00:52.57 | sunreef | I still ike Debian without X above all others but I haven't tried all others ;-) |
| 00:53.37 | sunreef | so I tried SuSE and Verdorie and now I am onto MEPIS (and thinking about Kubuntu) but \ |
| 00:53.54 | sunreef | since I am still wit Mepis and need to solve this problem well, here we are. |
| 00:54.49 | sunreef | Porblem ouline: new HP printer (PSC 1315) whows up in 'lsusb' 'usbview' and 'kudzu -p' but not in kde/cups |
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| 00:55.41 | Indole | I am only able to access sound in applications that start with the letter 'K'. |
| 00:55.48 | Indole | (and one that starts with 'C') |
| 00:56.24 | Indole | How can I remedy this, and unlock the potential of the rest of the alphabet? |
| 00:56.25 | jason_ | lol, i can't figure this out |
| 00:56.33 | abrotman | figure what out ? |
| 00:56.48 | jason_ | i'm following the howto but + doesn't mark a package for install |
| 00:56.50 | rommer | how do i mount a smb share using /etc/fstab? |
| 00:57.00 | zinx | Indole: tell aRTs to bugger off |
| 00:57.04 | abrotman | jason_: i'm telling you .. apt-get is easier IMO |
| 00:57.26 | zinx | Indole: or try artsdsp |
| 00:57.34 | madclicker | how are ATI drivers for linux, are they good or bad? |
| 00:57.41 | jason_ | abrotman: don't you have to do individual package selection in apt-get? |
| 00:57.55 | sunreef | rommer: something like //server/share /mnt/point smbfs options |
| 00:57.59 | zinx | madclicker: they're slow, and are missing some features, though they're getting the needed features as time passes |
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| 00:58.06 | abrotman | jason_: tell me what you want to install ? gnome . gaim ? |
| 00:58.27 | sunreef | abortman: what about dselect instead of aptitude ? |
| 00:58.30 | abrotman | jason_: remember .. apt-get does dependencies |
| 00:58.32 | Indole | zinx: will a 'killall artsd' suffice? |
| 00:58.35 | abrotman | i still use apt-get :) |
| 00:58.38 | sunreef | or under KDE kpackage ? |
| 00:58.44 | madclicker | the ati code is still closed source or is it opened to the community? |
| 00:58.44 | zinx | Indole: well, it will, but then your k* apps probably won't work |
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| 00:58.54 | abrotman | madclicker: for newer cards .. closed |
| 00:58.58 | jason_ | abrotman: i want to do a full desktop install- kde, gnome, gaim, openoffice, mplayer, xine... |
| 00:59.06 | zinx | madclicker: the driver *by ATI* is still, and always will be, closed source |
| 00:59.11 | abrotman | jason_: you want kde AND gnome ? |
| 00:59.14 | sunreef | jason: try tasksel |
| 00:59.15 | zinx | madclicker: DRI's driver is open source |
| 00:59.19 | Indole | zinx: I'm not really concerned about k* apps; I mostly need xmms and mozilla-flashplayer. |
| 00:59.23 | jason_ | abrotman: yes |
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| 00:59.33 | madclicker | is it buggy because they are closed? |
| 00:59.35 | jason_ | + Mark package for installation. |
| 00:59.35 | zinx | Indole: there's an arts output plugin for xmms |
| 00:59.36 | sunreef | abortman: kde and gnome is well possible at every login you can choose |
| 00:59.39 | abrotman | jason_: apt-get install kde gnome openoffice.org x-window-system .. yay :) |
| 00:59.49 | zinx | Indole: as for mozilla-flashplayer, you can probably run mozilla w/ artsdsp, but i dunno.. |
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| 01:00.10 | abrotman | jason_: you'll have to do some extra work for mplayer since it's not in debian currently |
| 01:00.15 | yaboo | hi is ftp.au.debian.org down? |
| 01:00.40 | zinx | madclicker: no |
| 01:00.51 | zinx | madclicker: but it's slow :) |
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| 01:01.05 | sunreef | anyone on usb/cups ? |
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| 01:02.47 | madclicker | zinx: what do you mean by no, if the drivers are developed by OSS folks, would they be still as buggy as a few people from ATI working on it? |
| 01:03.00 | Indole | zinx: That fixed it. Thanks :) |
| 01:03.21 | zinx | madclicker: get off it, dude |
| 01:03.41 | madclicker | zinx: np |
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| 01:05.12 | lef | true outdoors computing: http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/296.html |
| 01:05.14 | jason_ | abrotman: i'm going to install kde and do the rest via synaptic |
| 01:05.22 | lef | the guy rocks |
| 01:05.23 | abrotman | jason_: erm .. ok .. if you want |
| 01:06.24 | jason_ | i want to be able to view the trees so i can select groups and save time and then install manually |
| 01:06.33 | bnoji | lef: Ive gotten wifi on a mountain before. |
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| 01:06.43 | jason_ | and aptitude isn't cooperating- but apt-get is working great |
| 01:06.52 | lef | bnoji, :) |
| 01:07.20 | bnoji | I had to hike to the top of Mt Scott to find a signal from one of the houses. |
| 01:07.51 | lef | bnoji, but you got it eh? :) |
| 01:07.59 | bnoji | Yeah |
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| 01:08.20 | bnoji | I was aiming for an antenna some guy supposedly ran, just over the peak |
| 01:08.47 | bnoji | But I didnt feel like going any further at 11pm...so I found a weak signal from a house |
| 01:09.11 | jason_ | abrotman: if you install KDE, does it also put in X? |
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| 01:10.04 | abrotman | jason_: that's what x-window-system was for |
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| 01:11.10 | lef | getStringFromObject(): http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/349.html |
| 01:11.40 | SDFH_Linux | is there a debian server somewhere with openoffice 2.0 beta? |
| 01:11.53 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: apt-get.org .. maybe |
| 01:12.11 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 01:12.57 | jason_ | huh...i did apt-get install kde and it's installing the gimp... |
| 01:13.11 | jason_ | is that part of kde? |
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| 01:13.17 | yonaro | hi * |
| 01:13.28 | yonaro | I have a problem with gnome |
| 01:13.38 | yonaro | some one can help me? |
| 01:13.45 | abrotman | jason_: might be .. dunno |
| 01:13.48 | SDFH_Linux | has anyone used the xpde gui? |
| 01:13.50 | abrotman | !tell yonaro about ask |
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| 01:14.46 | cg0def | hi, how can I copy my debian instalation from my desktop to a laptop? |
| 01:14.52 | yonaro | I have created a user with "useradd" and directory with permissions, but a I do not login from gdm, the x-window-system does not run, it only shows the background of the desk |
| 01:15.21 | abrotman | yonaro: did you check for an error file in the user's home dir ? |
| 01:15.42 | Indole | cg0def: you'd probably be better off just installing fresh on the laptop and copying over /home |
| 01:15.44 | jason_ | abrotman: i believe KDE is a virtual package that contains all of the deps for running the KDE environment as well as applications for KDE and some not (gnonemeeting etc.) |
| 01:15.55 | yonaro | the home dir /home/yonaro haves the permissions of owner for the user |
| 01:16.13 | abrotman | jason_: it is .. but i didn't make the package . or define it's dependencies .. so if you did it .. that's what it depends on |
| 01:16.18 | cg0def | Indole: isn't there a way to copy a list of the software installed? |
| 01:16.26 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 01:16.26 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 01:16.44 | cg0def | abrotman, thanks |
| 01:17.02 | yonaro | only with the user that I have created after of install xwindow does not can login |
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| 01:18.39 | yonaro | :S |
| 01:19.02 | esop | yonaro: have you logged into the console with user? |
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| 01:25.02 | mexcore | hey |
| 01:25.05 | mexcore | anyway alive? |
| 01:25.07 | mexcore | grr |
| 01:25.09 | mexcore | anyone alive |
| 01:25.17 | esop | that wass odd |
| 01:25.17 | abrotman | no .. noone |
| 01:25.24 | abrotman | all 777 of us are dead |
| 01:25.25 | mexcore | damn |
| 01:25.25 | mexcore | that sucks |
| 01:25.27 | mexcore | :( |
| 01:25.34 | mexcore | how did you all die? |
| 01:25.36 | mexcore | hehe |
| 01:25.38 | abrotman | !fart |
| 01:25.43 | mexcore | hi was wondering |
| 01:25.52 | mexcore | i just threw another nic card in my debian box |
| 01:26.01 | mexcore | how would i get that configured and running |
| 01:26.11 | Indole | man ifconfig |
| 01:26.13 | abrotman | !tell mexcore about interfaces |
| 01:26.14 | mexcore | k |
| 01:26.31 | mexcore | thanks |
| 01:26.31 | mexcore | :) |
| 01:26.32 | mexcore | hehe |
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| 01:26.44 | mexcore | my network is kind of half ass backwords |
| 01:26.49 | lef | !tell dpkg about manners |
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| 01:27.16 | rommer | how can i install x so xfce4 will run |
| 01:27.32 | mexcore | i have a 4 port router and all the slots are taken up |
| 01:27.42 | mexcore | soo i have a debian box connected to the last slot |
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| 01:28.04 | mexcore | and i just put another nic card in the box that connects to a 4 port hub |
| 01:28.08 | mexcore | which connects to my freebsd box |
| 01:28.33 | mexcore | i should have two nic cards in my bsd box |
| 01:28.40 | mexcore | but im lazy and didnt feel like taking off the case.. |
| 01:29.10 | swatikiss | rommer, have you installed xfce ? |
| 01:29.25 | rommer | ya |
| 01:29.49 | Phated | rommer: apt-get install x-window-system ? |
| 01:30.27 | rommer | ok i just didnt know what the package name was, thanks |
| 01:32.21 | mexcore | cyphercore:~# man 5 interfaces |
| 01:32.21 | mexcore | supaman: can't create a temporary filename: Read-only file system |
| 01:32.21 | mexcore | cyphercore:~# man 5 interfaces |
| 01:32.21 | mexcore | supaman: can't create a temporary filename: Read-only file system |
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| 01:32.31 | mexcore | sorry |
| 01:32.36 | mexcore | any one have any ideas |
| 01:32.41 | mexcore | what might be my problem |
| 01:34.13 | lef | mexcore, where are you logged on right now? |
| 01:34.21 | lef | on your debian box as root? |
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| 01:37.24 | mexcore | ;ef |
| 01:37.25 | mexcore | lef |
| 01:37.25 | mexcore | yes |
| 01:37.28 | mexcore | root on the debian box |
| 01:37.39 | abrotman | !enter |
| 01:37.39 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 01:37.48 | mexcore | hehe |
| 01:37.49 | mexcore | sorry.. |
| 01:37.59 | mexcore | yes im root on the debian box |
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| 01:38.15 | mexcore | i just installed BX and eggdrop on it and that worked fine. |
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| 01:38.31 | bk7nachito | opss |
| 01:38.34 | bk7nachito | español ??? |
| 01:38.38 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:38.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:38.56 | mexcore | when i do updatedb i get the same error but locate still works |
| 01:39.12 | lef | mexcore, "shutdown -r -F now" |
| 01:39.35 | lef | to do a reboot and force an fsck on all volumes |
| 01:39.46 | lef | can't think of anything else right now |
| 01:39.51 | lef | :/ |
| 01:40.09 | mexcore | yeah im not to sure how reliable the hd is |
| 01:40.50 | mexcore | bah.. |
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| 01:41.58 | failsafe | i am new on newsgroup, can anyone suggest a newsgroup server avaliable??? |
| 01:44.32 | mentor | It's quite in here... |
| 01:44.37 | mentor | Or quiet even... |
| 01:44.49 | abrotman | !shuddup |
| 01:44.49 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 01:44.54 | Phated | Kids are all watching Saturday morning cartoons. |
| 01:45.19 | mentor | ... |
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| 01:45.36 | Phated | That remark just begged for a response, you know it did. |
| 01:45.46 | darkstar | what? |
| 01:45.46 | abrotman | at least it's not sunday |
| 01:46.11 | mentor | I'm worried that it's being saved up for Sunday. |
| 01:46.25 | mentor | FFS, How many compiles does it take to get a format string right. |
| 01:46.27 | mentor | ? |
| 01:46.33 | Phated | Heh. |
| 01:46.33 | failsafe | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.42 | karamelos | where is set the default console logging level at boot? |
| 01:47.09 | failsafe | inittab |
| 01:47.09 | Indole | failsafe: Your ISP probably provides an NNTP server. If not, you may have to pay for one. |
| 01:47.37 | failsafe | /etc/inittab |
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| 01:48.00 | jason_ | x |
| 01:48.04 | jason_ | woops |
| 01:48.23 | abrotman | Indole: i think that's a dying feature |
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| 01:48.49 | pipeline | abrotman, Indole : Most ISPs contract with a third party to provide newsgroups, but you get a free account with your ISP subscription. |
| 01:49.24 | failsafe | Indole, isn't google newsgroup server availiable for free? |
| 01:49.47 | abrotman | pipeline: i don't thikn comcast does it anymore |
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| 01:49.50 | lef | mexcore, any joy with your problem? |
| 01:49.52 | astronut | does anyone know what the changes in the X server that released today into sid were? |
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| 01:50.09 | abrotman | astronut: security probably ... why ? |
| 01:50.13 | Indole | I know when my ISP decided to contract out, they were filling a T1 continuously for the benefit of 12 users. |
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| 01:50.29 | pipeline | abrotman: I think comcast still gives you a free bottom-of-the-line easynews account |
| 01:50.37 | astronut | abrotman: well, i've had lots of issues with nvidia driver crashing...many suggested it was the fault of xserver...wondering if change might have fixed issue |
| 01:50.40 | Indole | failsafe: Google used to provide a link to Usenet through Google Groups; this may have been discontinued. |
| 01:50.54 | mentor | Ah, the wonders of USENET copy protocol... |
| 01:50.58 | abrotman | astronut: dunno .. don't buy nvidia is my advice :) |
| 01:51.08 | astronut | abrotman: well, bit late for that..why thoguh? |
| 01:51.13 | abrotman | pipeline: maybe .. i guess i stopped reading news groups a while ago |
| 01:51.24 | abrotman | astronut: because it crashes ? |
| 01:51.34 | astronut | :-P ya, for me, but most don't have issue |
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| 01:51.57 | pipeline | astronut: The first thing to try is switching between nvagp and agpgart. And that's all the advice I have. |
| 01:52.16 | astronut | as per nvidia advice |
| 01:52.18 | astronut | no one seems to care |
| 01:52.22 | astronut | i'll try w/ new xserver |
| 01:52.24 | astronut | see if it works |
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| 01:53.59 | karamelos | I want to set my default console logging level = 3. How can I do it? |
| 01:54.20 | astronut | klogd -c 3 |
| 01:54.21 | sdfasfdasdfasdf | anyone know of a sid debian of beagle ? i have searched google to no avail |
| 01:54.33 | astronut | beagle? |
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| 01:55.24 | mentor | sdfasfdasdfasdf: So, how are the keys away from the home row? |
| 01:55.49 | pipeline | sdfasfdasdfasdf: There is no such thing. Beagle has too many bizarre dependencies that can't be filled in unstable. |
| 01:56.02 | mentor | what is beagle? |
| 01:56.09 | pipeline | sdfasfdasdfasdf: You'll have to download the bleeding edge mono builds and attempt to build beagle yourself. |
| 01:56.15 | pipeline | mentor: beagle is what Apple Spotlight is a knockoff of. |
| 01:56.19 | Wowzer | how do I reconfigure a package like php4-mysql? dpkg -configure php4-mysql? |
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| 01:56.45 | karamelos | astronut, will " klogd -c 3" be reset upon restart? how can I tell which is the current logging level? |
| 01:56.51 | mentor | I suppose it would be useful if I knew what Apple spotlight was... |
| 01:57.13 | astronut | karamelos: don't think so, not sure, gimme a sec |
| 01:57.15 | astronut | let me look |
| 01:57.44 | cinix | So if my /bin/ping is setuid root that's probably not a good sign huh? |
| 01:57.51 | astronut | /etc/init.d/klogd |
| 01:57.56 | pipeline | sdfasfdasdfasdf: You'll also need to build a new 2.6.12 kernel in order to get inotify support. |
| 01:57.57 | astronut | i think you modify something at the top of that |
| 01:58.01 | glick | hey do you guys recommend using the debian 2.6.8 with debian patches kernel the latest vanilla kernel? |
| 01:58.03 | pipeline | sdfasfdasdfasdf: getting beagle is a royal PITA |
| 01:58.07 | astronut | add it in the KLOGD="" section |
| 01:58.08 | astronut | add -c 3 |
| 01:58.10 | astronut | in the ""'s |
| 01:58.11 | rommer | whats a good text editor for a programmer? im running xfce4 |
| 01:58.13 | pipeline | glick: Use the stock kernel. |
| 01:58.17 | pipeline | rommer: scite |
| 01:58.31 | glick | pipeline, by stock you mean the latest kernel from kernel.org? |
| 01:58.41 | karamelos | astronut, I'll try, thx |
| 01:58.52 | pipeline | glick: No, I mean a stock kernel. |
| 01:58.59 | rommer | pipeline: ok thanks |
| 01:59.11 | pipeline | glick: One that you downloaded from kernel.org would not be a stock kernel, as it does not come from Debian. |
| 01:59.57 | glick | eh i want all the latest and greatest features |
| 02:00.18 | pipeline | You asked for a recommendation |
| 02:00.19 | pipeline | I gave you one |
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| 02:00.38 | glick | i know, thanks |
| 02:00.45 | pipeline | It seems you wanted to hear something else :P |
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| 02:00.53 | flaky | hi all |
| 02:01.12 | jason_ | how many servers will apt-spy test? |
| 02:01.24 | jason_ | lol, i want it to choose one already |
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| 02:01.35 | glick | i havent compiled a kernel in like a year |
| 02:02.07 | flaky | I am about ready to just install mepis |
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| 02:02.20 | pipeline | flaky: Well, perhaps #mepis can help you :P |
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| 02:02.50 | SDFH_Linux | hm |
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| 02:02.54 | astronut | brb |
| 02:03.04 | SDFH_Linux | /dev/dsp is already in use by another program? |
| 02:03.09 | flaky | I did an online install using the minimal woody i386 disk |
| 02:03.13 | SDFH_Linux | why am i getting this error guys? |
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| 02:03.50 | surreal | any of you guys run the -mm patches? |
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| 02:04.19 | glick | anyone here run a smoothwall firewall? |
| 02:04.31 | BitShift | what's the package name for the php4 documentation? |
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| 02:04.50 | BitShift | can't seem to find it... |
| 02:04.50 | flaky | sigh- I did RTFM and I know GIYF... |
| 02:05.02 | flaky | but I guess help is not out there.... |
| 02:05.04 | kc | hi does anyone know how to do forensics on a hard drive |
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| 02:05.30 | BitShift | flaky, what's the problem with X? |
| 02:06.01 | flaky | keeps telling me the screen is detected but not usable |
| 02:06.22 | BitShift | flaky, any relevant portions of the log? |
| 02:06.37 | abrotman | flaky: usually tells you why it isn't usable |
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| 02:06.56 | flaky | I guess I should get the logfile off the hd |
| 02:07.03 | flaky | ty |
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| 02:08.20 | astronut | well, lets see if this holds up |
| 02:08.55 | BitShift | that's funny... there's a php3-doc but no php4-doc or phpdoc... anybody know what the package name for php4 documentation is? |
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| 02:10.03 | kc | any 1 know how to do forensics on a hard disk ? |
| 02:10.22 | cinix | vi /dev/hda ? |
| 02:10.27 | kc | lol |
| 02:10.50 | kc | cinix: i mean on a corrupted hard disk |
| 02:11.07 | cinix | There are a bunch of undelete apps for linux |
| 02:11.10 | cinix | what kind of fs was it? |
| 02:11.24 | kc | it was windows |
| 02:11.28 | cinix | the professionals use encase I believe |
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| 02:11.41 | nunez | why wont xmms play mpg? |
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| 02:11.53 | cinix | hehe asking about windows in #debian :-P |
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| 02:12.08 | cinix | can't help you there, but there are probably some fat utils for linux |
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| 02:12.27 | kc | cinix: lol man i am a debian user for some time now its just i need to get some favorites from a corrupted windows partition of a client |
| 02:12.30 | BitShift | nunez, you probably need a plugin... like the mplayer plugin. |
| 02:12.41 | cinix | was it ntfs? |
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| 02:12.48 | kc | cinix: no fat |
| 02:12.52 | abrotman | nunez: mp3 or some other mpg ? |
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| 02:12.59 | cinix | good good |
| 02:13.01 | kc | cinix: i tried the sleuth kit but no luck |
| 02:13.16 | kc | cinix: i tried foremost no luck there either |
| 02:13.29 | kc | cinix: i tried cat and dd -- input/output error |
| 02:13.50 | cinix | mondo maybe |
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| 02:14.01 | cinix | never used it myself |
| 02:14.02 | nunez | abrotman, mpg, video file |
| 02:14.04 | kc | cinix: any suggestions? |
| 02:14.05 | astronut | nope |
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| 02:14.12 | abrotman | nunez: xmms can't play video .. at all |
| 02:14.14 | abrotman | not afaik |
| 02:14.47 | cinix | kc, try mondo or testdisk |
| 02:15.05 | idealbsd | nunez, install mplayer plugin for xmms |
| 02:15.20 | abrotman | or use totem like a normal person ? |
| 02:15.23 | abrotman | or kaffience ? |
| 02:15.23 | cinix | I've had luck mounting corrupted dos partitions under linux and copying files off it |
| 02:15.26 | abrotman | err kaffiene |
| 02:15.33 | kc | thanx |
| 02:15.35 | cinix | when dos told me to go f myself |
| 02:16.04 | cinix | if you REALLY desperate, you may even give fsck.msdos a swing |
| 02:16.14 | kc | ;p |
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| 02:16.40 | kjparker | hi ppl |
| 02:16.42 | kjparker | :) |
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| 02:17.30 | kjparker | when i shutdown my laptop, it doesn't actually turn off. |
| 02:17.31 | glick | hey is anyone runnin on a dell inpiron 8200? |
| 02:17.34 | jorgp | anyone using debmirror? if so, how to you also include additional dirs like doc and tools |
| 02:17.38 | glick | i was wonderin if your usin APM or ACPI |
| 02:17.51 | kjparker | i'm assuming i need to install something, but i'm not sure what.... |
| 02:17.59 | kjparker | i think apm |
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| 02:18.20 | kongen | hi, how do i find my Wlan card with debian? |
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| 02:18.31 | cg0def | !clone |
| 02:18.31 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 02:18.33 | kjparker | the kernel detect acpi, however, the bios is quite old... |
| 02:18.39 | cg0def | !tell clone |
| 02:19.41 | kjparker | too old for proper acpi support |
| 02:20.53 | kongen | How do i make my Wlan card work with debian? |
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| 02:21.14 | abrotman | kongen: how do i make my Wlan card work with debian? |
| 02:21.39 | abrotman | cg0def: what are you looking for ? |
| 02:21.42 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 02:21.42 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 02:23.10 | kongen | abrotman: I have a wlan card, but i dosent work in debian, how do i install it? |
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| 02:23.34 | abrotman | kongen: pcmcia ? |
| 02:23.36 | pipeline | kongen: prayer |
| 02:23.45 | abrotman | kongen: and what kind of card ? |
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| 02:24.00 | kongen | pci |
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| 02:24.09 | jcorgan | anyone talked to bruce perens lately? |
| 02:24.09 | abrotman | b/g/a ? |
| 02:24.15 | abrotman | jcorgan: should we ? |
| 02:24.20 | kongen | g |
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| 02:24.26 | abrotman | kongen: you know the chipset ? |
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| 02:24.41 | kongen | abrotman: no,sorry. |
| 02:24.42 | kjparker | hopefully it's not atheros.... |
| 02:24.46 | abrotman | kongen: lspci |
| 02:24.51 | abrotman | kjparker: madwifi.sf.net |
| 02:25.06 | jcorgan | his websites are offline, email is bouncing, doesn't answer his phone, last /. comment was a week ago... |
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| 02:25.29 | abrotman | jcorgan: maybe he's on vacation ? |
| 02:25.39 | jcorgan | that's what i was thinking myself |
| 02:25.51 | kongen | abrotman: the name of the card is Topcom skyracer pro pci 154 |
| 02:25.52 | kjparker | abrotman, : yes I saw that, but i don't entirely understand the install process |
| 02:25.54 | jcorgan | maybe he doesn't know his web server is afu |
| 02:26.09 | abrotman | kongen: lspci |
| 02:26.15 | abrotman | kjparker: it's not easy |
| 02:26.17 | kongen | ?? |
| 02:26.29 | abrotman | kongen: run it .. what does it say the chipset is |
| 02:26.34 | kjparker | shame there isn't a pre-compiled deb... |
| 02:26.37 | abrotman | jcorgan: perhaps .. |
| 02:26.39 | kjparker | :) |
| 02:26.50 | abrotman | kjparker: there might be .. and now with sarge close to freeze .. you could make one |
| 02:27.04 | kongen | via? |
| 02:27.17 | abrotman | kongen: in a console or xterm or something .. lspci |
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| 02:27.28 | abrotman | 0000:02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
| 02:27.29 | abrotman | is mine |
| 02:27.59 | kongen | Ethernet controller : unknow device 168c:0013 (rev 01) |
| 02:28.04 | kjparker | untill I get my 802.11a card to work... |
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| 02:29.00 | abrotman | kongen: cute .. you need to find the chipset before you can get more help |
| 02:29.00 | cafuego | *a* ? |
| 02:29.02 | cafuego | holy crap |
| 02:29.17 | kongen | abrotman: How do i do that? :( |
| 02:29.30 | abrotman | kongen: google ? |
| 02:29.43 | kongen | ok |
| 02:30.00 | cafuego | kongen: try '/usr/bin/update-pciids' (as root) and then 'lspci' again. |
| 02:30.07 | kjparker | kongen: help us, help you! :) |
| 02:30.26 | kjparker | to quote Jerry McGuire! |
| 02:31.22 | kongen | cafuego: no such file or directory |
| 02:31.48 | cafuego | woo-hoo |
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| 02:33.00 | kongen | cafuego: how kan i make update-pciids work? |
| 02:33.11 | abrotman | jcorgan: ok .. you're right .. that is kind of weird |
| 02:33.12 | cafuego | Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC |
| 02:33.23 | cafuego | kongen: You probably need the madwifi drivers,. |
| 02:33.30 | kjparker | kongen, what is your card, brand/model |
| 02:33.30 | kongen | ok |
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| 02:33.54 | kjparker | good luck |
| 02:33.54 | cafuego | for future reference, pciids.sourceforge.net |
| 02:33.56 | jcorgan | ah, Bruce is on a cruise ship, for some reason unknown to him his ISP decommissioned all his websites, DNS, email, etc. nice thing to happen in the middle of the ocean! |
| 02:33.56 | abrotman | cafuego: lastlog him |
| 02:33.56 | kongen | skyracer pci 154 g (topcom) |
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| 02:34.09 | jcorgan | all he knows is its not a financial thing |
| 02:34.16 | cafuego | abrotman: Do i want to? |
| 02:34.22 | abrotman | jcb: how you know that ? |
| 02:34.25 | abrotman | err jcorgan |
| 02:34.31 | abrotman | cafuego: guess not |
| 02:35.18 | jcorgan | abrotman: i'm an editor on technocat.net--one of the other editors set up an alternative forum on scoxq.com, bruce made a post a little while ago |
| 02:35.35 | abrotman | jcorgan: i assume you mean technocrat |
| 02:35.43 | jcorgan | yes, or course |
| 02:35.57 | jcorgan | of course :( |
| 02:36.01 | abrotman | jcorgan: and the post said what ? |
| 02:36.07 | cafuego | abrotman: Do you have something against robotic cats> |
| 02:36.19 | abrotman | cafuego: should i? |
| 02:36.25 | cafuego | abrotman: Probably, actually. |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | i played lots of phantasy star |
| 02:36.32 | kongen | the chipset of the card is: Marvell |
| 02:36.45 | cafuego | kongen: I told you what the exact card is. |
| 02:36.45 | abrotman | no |
| 02:36.59 | cafuego | kongen: "Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC" |
| 02:37.03 | kongen | cafuego: yes, but how do i install it? |
| 02:37.12 | woody | hey, where can I find the reason a package is in non-free? |
| 02:37.15 | cafuego | kongen: The marvell us an on-board gigabit nic chip. NOT a wifi chip. |
| 02:37.19 | jcorgan | abrotman : "I am on a cruise ship at the moment and I see ThePlanet.com has decommissioned my server and all other facilities...[snip]...no doubt this will all get sorted out early next week." |
| 02:37.21 | cafuego | kongen: Google. |
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| 02:37.59 | abrotman | jcorgan: oh .. cute .. is this the time of year for the linux cruise ? |
| 02:38.06 | Spods | hello |
| 02:38.17 | abrotman | kongen: madwifi.sf.net |
| 02:38.24 | abrotman | !madwifi |
| 02:38.24 | dpkg | from memory, madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi ,-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi , or #madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (sarge/sid only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' |
| 02:38.26 | jcorgan | abrotman: maybe, don't know, i'll google |
| 02:38.41 | abrotman | kongen: ^^ |
| 02:38.52 | kongen | ? |
| 02:39.02 | abrotman | kongen: /msg dpkg madwifi |
| 02:39.25 | kongen | k |
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| 02:39.48 | kongen | but i cant use madwifi with marvell chipset? |
| 02:40.09 | Spods | silly question, what module controls the ability to read iso filesystems? i've never had a problem reading cd's whilst rolling my own kernel (i always used to compile the module in, but didn't ever pay attention to it). the stock sarge 2.6.8 kernel i'm now using doesn't seem to understand iso and i have no idea what the name of the module is required to read it (never had to) |
| 02:40.11 | abrotman | kongen: marvell has nothing to do with your wifi |
| 02:40.17 | kongen | ok |
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| 02:40.45 | karsten | Spods: iso9660 FS... |
| 02:40.51 | abrotman | jcorgan: technocrat is offline too ? |
| 02:41.15 | kelan | Spods: isofs.ko |
| 02:41.17 | Spods | karsten: yes, but is that the actual name of the module in /lib/modules? |
| 02:41.18 | jcorgan | abrotman: technocrat.net, perens.com, computerid.com, they are all on one machine |
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| 02:41.35 | Spods | kelan: thanks, will look for it |
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| 02:41.54 | abrotman | jcorgan: ah .. that explains it :) |
| 02:41.59 | karsten | Spods: isofs |
| 02:42.13 | jason_ | synaptic is awesome. the search features are great. |
| 02:42.35 | karsten | Spods: depends somewhat on your kernel version. That's 2.6. 2.4 IIRC is iso9660.o |
| 02:42.35 | abrotman | jason_: everything get installed ok ? |
| 02:42.46 | jason_ | abrotman: yeah, i'm in gnome now installing all the apps i want |
| 02:42.49 | karsten | Spods: /lib/modules/$( uname -r )/kernel/fs/isofs/ |
| 02:43.00 | abrotman | jason_: heh .. ok |
| 02:43.04 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 02:43.04 | dpkg | hmm... install gnome is in woody: apt-get install gnome-session gnome-control-center sawfish-gnome ; In sarge and sid: apt-get install gnome |
| 02:43.07 | abrotman | oh .. oh well |
| 02:43.35 | jason_ | the number of available packages is amazing and everythng seems so quick and responsive |
| 02:43.37 | woody | hi |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | jason_: we like it that way |
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| 02:44.08 | jason_ | i only have one issue- it set my lcd as 800x600 and i can't figure out how to change it |
| 02:44.15 | nunez | Has itunes been ported to linux yet? |
| 02:44.30 | jaka | i am setting up a home server w apache and a dynamic dns. i have replaced the original /var/www/index.html with my own page. in root, i can access this page but not in non-root where the standard debian placeholder page appears. any suggestions? |
| 02:44.30 | abrotman | !drxx jason_ |
| 02:44.31 | dpkg | jason_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 02:44.34 | Debian\Pwns | hey can anyone tell me how i can change the screen resolution of my debian box |
| 02:44.43 | jason_ | thanks abrotman |
| 02:44.46 | Debian\Pwns | i can aonly access the visual interface via vnc :\ |
| 02:44.52 | Spods | next question: whenever i run modprobe i get the error message "WARNING: Failed to open config file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa". That file is a symlink to /etc/alsa/modutils/1.0, which when checking that directory doesn't exist. I have config files for 0.5 and 0.9 but not 1.0. Should /etc/modprobe.d/alsa be looking somewhere else since my move to 2.6.8? |
| 02:44.53 | abrotman | !drxx Debian\Pwns |
| 02:44.54 | dpkg | Debian\Pwns: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 02:45.07 | jason_ | oh and apt-get is incredibly fast compared to urpmi and especially yum |
| 02:45.21 | abrotman | jason_: nice isn't it ? :) |
| 02:45.27 | jason_ | it takes 30-45 seconds for yum to do a search |
| 02:45.29 | jason_ | abrotman: very! |
| 02:45.51 | jason_ | lol, my first apt-get was over 700 packages :) |
| 02:46.07 | kelan | Spods: have you run alsaconf? |
| 02:46.11 | woody3141 | hi |
| 02:46.18 | Debian\Pwns | right can anyone help me out in choosingthe x server driver. i dont hav a clue which 1 i have to pick... theres a nvidia geforce 4 gfx card in the box |
| 02:46.27 | Spods | kelan: not since i was under 2.4.24 or whatever it was |
| 02:46.39 | kelan | !tell spods about alsa |
| 02:46.58 | sdfasfdasdfasdf | anyone know of a sid .deb of beagle ? i have searched google to no avail |
| 02:47.04 | abrotman | !beagle |
| 02:47.14 | nunez | Whats a good program that can create a database large amounts of music? |
| 02:47.20 | abrotman | sdfasfdasdfasdf: uhm .. it's complicatged |
| 02:47.38 | abrotman | sdfasfdasdfasdf: http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/DebianInstall |
| 02:47.44 | abrotman | !beagle is http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/DebianInstall |
| 02:47.44 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 02:47.46 | jaka | i am setting up a home server w apache and a dynamic dns. i have replaced the original /var/www/index.html with my own page. in root, i can access this page but not in non-root where the standard debian placeholder page appears. any suggestions? |
| 02:47.52 | karsten | Spods: Isn't that easy enough to verify? |
| 02:48.09 | Spods | kelan: ran alsaconf in a konsole, it killed X |
| 02:48.18 | karsten | nunez: iTunes. |
| 02:48.22 | kelan | hmm |
| 02:48.28 | nunez | karsten, has it been ported to linux? |
| 02:48.30 | jason_ | abrotman: i think the problem is that my default resolution is 1400x1050 which is non-standard |
| 02:48.40 | karsten | nunez: Email steve.jobs@apple.com and ask. |
| 02:48.50 | nunez | karsten, I did, he said ask here |
| 02:48.53 | karsten | nunez: ...or danese.cooper@apple.com. She might actually respond. |
| 02:48.54 | abrotman | jason_: oh .. i'm not sure how to do that .. it's not in the list ? |
| 02:49.00 | kelan | i dont remember it killing X for me. are you running kde or gnome? they might try to do things with sound that break when you're reconfiguring alsa |
| 02:49.10 | nunez | karsten, Naw, she didnt |
| 02:49.15 | karsten | nunez: Wups. Danese went to Intel, not apple. |
| 02:49.19 | jason_ | abrotman: no, it goes from 1280x1024 to 1600x1200 |
| 02:49.25 | Spods | kelan: im running some kde apps (such as konsole) under XFCE |
| 02:49.27 | nunez | karsten, Maybe thats why |
| 02:49.31 | karsten | nunez: my bad. She used to be at Apple many, many moons ago. |
| 02:49.31 | abrotman | jason_: there is a way . i just don't know it |
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| 02:49.37 | jason_ | ok |
| 02:49.44 | Debian\Pwns | how can i open .rpm's :| |
| 02:49.46 | kelan | Spods: hmm. well did it configure alsa? can you get sound, etc? |
| 02:49.51 | dan2 | abrotman: hey ya |
| 02:49.52 | karsten | nunez: More recently was Sun's Open Source diva, I know her, good person. |
| 02:49.56 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
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| 02:49.57 | karsten | nunez: ...but of little help to you. |
| 02:50.08 | nunez | karsten, Well, it isnt your fault, or hers |
| 02:50.11 | dan2 | abrotman: my circular queue class is finished! :) |
| 02:50.14 | Spods | kelan: here's the thing, I've always had sound from the getgo. |
| 02:50.16 | kongen | what X-server driver should i use when i have Gforce card? |
| 02:50.16 | colera | anyone know a channel on freenode about video/dvd multimedia etc.? |
| 02:50.19 | kelan | !tell Debian\Pwns about alien |
| 02:50.20 | abrotman | dan2: finished ? |
| 02:50.30 | dan2 | abrotman: circular queue... |
| 02:50.32 | karsten | colera: /query chanserv list *video* |
| 02:50.35 | dan2 | abrotman: one sec, I'll pase |
| 02:50.36 | dan2 | paste |
| 02:50.37 | karsten | colera: and/or *dvd* |
| 02:50.42 | Debian\Pwns | all Cool |
| 02:50.46 | kjparker | wow, i wish i had come in here sooner.... the procedure dpkg told me about to install madwifi is a piece of piss |
| 02:50.47 | kjparker | :) |
| 02:50.48 | abrotman | dan2: i've written them |
| 02:50.48 | kongen | what X-server driver should i use when i have Gforce video card? |
| 02:50.54 | kelan | Spods: ah. well maybe you'll stop getting the error from modprobe now. did it create the symlink you were missing? |
| 02:51.07 | Spods | kelan: let me run alsaconf again in a virtual terminal, then at least i can actually see whta happens |
| 02:51.11 | Solet | with xinerama running cam monitors be of different resolutions? |
| 02:51.13 | Spods | kelan: nope, just checked |
| 02:51.16 | karsten | kongen: zgrep -i gforce /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README* |
| 02:51.29 | dan2 | abrotman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/nadpcS60.html |
| 02:51.31 | Spods | kelan: if i go missing alsaconf killed X again. touch wood!! |
| 02:51.32 | karsten | kongen: Your major cards and configs are listed there. |
| 02:51.39 | kelan | heh okay |
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| 02:51.46 | jason_ | is it a bad idea to do more than one apt-get at a time? |
| 02:52.03 | Phated | As in two processes, or two packages? |
| 02:52.18 | Phated | You can't do the former, but the latter is perfectly fine. |
| 02:52.27 | jason_ | the former |
| 02:52.27 | abrotman | dan2: looks good |
| 02:52.28 | dan2 | abrotman: this was a rewrite of the first one which sucked ass and didn't work at all |
| 02:52.41 | Phated | jason_: If you try to, it will error out. |
| 02:52.44 | abrotman | jason_: you cannot do two apt-get installs at the same time |
| 02:52.44 | dan2 | abrotman: the first one I tried implementing *ON* iterators, which clearly just doesn't work |
| 02:52.50 | jason_ | yeah, it probably locks the db like the rpm based installers |
| 02:52.53 | dan2 | jason_: dpkg lock doesn't permit that |
| 02:52.53 | jaka | no one building home server w apache? |
| 02:53.04 | abrotman | jaka: you might ask #apache |
| 02:53.08 | jason_ | luckily it's fast enough i have no need to |
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| 02:53.33 | dan2 | jason_: wait till you get like 4000 packages installed |
| 02:53.35 | dan2 | it takes forever |
| 02:53.42 | jason_ | i read that synaptic doesn't install recommended packages. However, in preferences you can choose "install recommended packages" |
| 02:53.48 | FlashBack | YO!!!!!!!!!!!! VITO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:53.49 | dan2 | because that file in /var/info/dpkg is slow to read/write |
| 02:53.56 | kjparker | what does m-a and a-i do? |
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| 02:54.03 | jason_ | dan2: any way to fix that? |
| 02:54.14 | Debian\Pwns | right can anyone help me out in choosing the x server driver. i dont hav a clue which 1 i have to pick... theres a nvidia geforce 4 gfx card in my box |
| 02:54.16 | dan2 | jason_: nope |
| 02:54.20 | kelan | mount it on a ram drive. that will make it fast |
| 02:54.22 | jason_ | 4000 packages is like double the size of fc3s core, lol |
| 02:54.26 | kelan | just don't powerdown |
| 02:54.27 | jason_ | more actually |
| 02:54.33 | FlashBack | say guys .what is there good to do with PHALK? |
| 02:54.38 | woody3141 | hey, where can I find out why a package is listed as non-free? |
| 02:54.39 | karsten | Debian\Pwns: /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.* |
| 02:54.39 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
| 02:54.46 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15803 packages, 1473 maintainers, 28676 MB installed size, 9149 MB compressed size. |
| 02:54.52 | FlashBack | Cuz it looks like not much |
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| 02:55.02 | kelan | sorry it keeps barfing on you, Spods. i'm not sure why |
| 02:55.08 | FlashBack | exit |
| 02:55.11 | dan2 | abrotman: it was only 2-3 years ago I couldn't read C/C++ for shit |
| 02:55.11 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.14 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:55.25 | abrotman | dan2: i probably can't now |
| 02:55.34 | Spods | kelan: nope got killed again and the config file isn't there still, might apt-get install alsa* --reinstall to see if that fixes it. |
| 02:55.47 | kjparker | :) |
| 02:55.50 | kelan | Debian\Pwns: you can use the 'nv' driver if you dont care about 3D acceleration |
| 02:55.51 | karsten | Phated: You're leading me on.... |
| 02:55.53 | Phated | No, you think? |
| 02:55.56 | Spods | kelan: i still have sounds still though, weird |
| 02:56.02 | Debian\Pwns | no i dont care about 3d accel.. |
| 02:56.06 | npx | wow, man |
| 02:56.07 | karsten | kjparker: Less issues than eruptions. |
| 02:56.09 | Phated | karsten: Keep going, I've got other writing implements all ready for school. |
| 02:56.14 | npx | you can do some really incredible stuff with zope |
| 02:56.16 | kelan | Spods: if sound is working, you can probably just leave it |
| 02:56.20 | npx | really -quickly- too |
| 02:56.21 | abrotman | Phated: use the crayon! |
| 02:56.22 | Debian\Pwns | Identifier for my video card? |
| 02:56.34 | Phated | abrotman: It's a networking course, we use markers now. |
| 02:56.36 | dan2 | abrotman: implementing iterators is a bitch |
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| 02:56.38 | abrotman | Debian\Pwns: nv or vesa |
| 02:56.44 | abrotman | dan2: i remember .. |
| 02:56.49 | Spods | kelan: well yeah, but then I still get error messages with modprobe and i think that's stopping me from loading modules with modprobe |
| 02:56.51 | dan2 | abrotman: thankfully, boost::iterator_facade comes to my rescue as you see in my paste |
| 02:56.55 | jason_ | the configuration scripts that start on installation are quite good & informative |
| 02:56.59 | jason_ | i wonder why other distros don't have that |
| 02:57.04 | karsten | Phated: ...it's an ink-redible experience, I hear. |
| 02:57.06 | jason_ | can you re-run them/ |
| 02:57.10 | Phated | karsten: ... |
| 02:57.34 | abrotman | jason_: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
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| 02:57.47 | Phated | Gross. |
| 02:57.50 | jason_ | abrotman: nice |
| 02:57.51 | KerPlunk | So sarge is frozen now...how long will it be frozen for? |
| 02:57.55 | kjparker | hmmm, once i have installed madwifi, i should be able to configure my nic same as any other right? |
| 02:57.58 | karsten | Phated: Well, yeah, it _is_ your tongue. |
| 02:58.04 | kelan | Debian\Pwns: the identifier in just used for later in the config file. you can put any string you want |
| 02:58.13 | KerPlunk | What is the most active branch of debian with the most packages and the most updates? |
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| 02:58.22 | abrotman | KerPlunk: not one you want to use |
| 02:58.31 | KerPlunk | sid? |
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| 02:58.42 | KerPlunk | How hard could sid be? |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | !sid |
| 02:58.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 02:58.47 | KerPlunk | I know what sid is. |
| 02:58.50 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 02:58.50 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 02:59.01 | MikeH | anyone know of a amd64 deb for dmraid? |
| 02:59.06 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 02:59.06 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 02:59.33 | KerPlunk | So what is the alternative to sid? |
| 02:59.36 | KerPlunk | That isn't frozen |
| 02:59.37 | kelan | dpkg, you're so cute |
| 02:59.37 | MikeH | abrotman? |
| 02:59.44 | KerPlunk | What does that mean anyway that it's frozen... |
| 02:59.49 | KerPlunk | There will be no package updates? |
| 02:59.56 | KerPlunk | And no changes _at all_? |
| 02:59.57 | kjparker | it's very very cold |
| 02:59.57 | karsten | KerPlunk: That's the idea. |
| 02:59.58 | kjparker | :) |
| 03:00.03 | KerPlunk | damn, that sucks |
| 03:00.04 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 03:00.08 | karsten | KerPlunk: freeze => bugfix => release. |
| 03:00.10 | KerPlunk | Who wouldn't want updates. |
| 03:00.13 | Solet | my wifi card stopped working correctly for no apparent reason... is "Bcast" in ifconfig supposed to be the router address? currently its set to 192.168.0.255 |
| 03:00.17 | abrotman | MikeH: as in .. ask that channel |
| 03:00.22 | MikeH | have done |
| 03:00.27 | MikeH | no-ones ever in there though :S |
| 03:00.31 | MikeH | or alive in there |
| 03:00.33 | Spods | kerplunk: frozen means they're locking down the bugs for sarge's eventual move from testing to stable |
| 03:00.35 | Debian\Pwns | how do i work alien? |
| 03:00.35 | MikeH | thought someone in here might have seen it |
| 03:00.39 | abrotman | MikeH: still a better place to ask |
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| 03:00.56 | sushiboo | hello |
| 03:00.56 | KerPlunk | Spods so there will still be updates? |
| 03:01.09 | karsten | Any thoughts on 2.4 586 kernel vs. 2.6 386 for general issues? Firewall box. |
| 03:01.10 | kelan | KerPlunk: the freeze is to get ready for the release. they'd never be able to release if new updates kept coming in. once sarge is released, testing will be thawed and package updates will start flowing again |
| 03:01.10 | mrcheeks | Debian\Pwns: alien filename.rpm |
| 03:01.20 | Spods | kerplunk: no functionality enhancing or version changing updates, just bug fixes |
| 03:01.33 | Spods | kerplunk: generally speaking anyway |
| 03:01.34 | KerPlunk | kelan can't that take as long as like 3 years? |
| 03:01.38 | KerPlunk | For it to be released. |
| 03:01.40 | kelan | heh |
| 03:01.54 | Phated | Hasn't it, y'know, -already- taken three years? |
| 03:02.07 | kjparker | oh well, time to test the madwifi drivers... |
| 03:02.08 | kelan | KerPlunk: well the last timeline i read was shooting for an end-of-may release |
| 03:02.11 | kjparker | bbs.... |
| 03:02.14 | KerPlunk | So will a new unstable branch start? |
| 03:02.14 | kjparker | maybe.... |
| 03:02.16 | kjparker | :) |
| 03:02.17 | KerPlunk | I just want updates. |
| 03:02.31 | KerPlunk | So if a new version of firefox comes out...sarge won't carry it? |
| 03:02.35 | Phated | FFS, then use etch when it comes out. |
| 03:02.36 | kelan | KerPlunk: unstable isnt frozen, just testing |
| 03:02.45 | kelan | KerPlunk: no, it wont |
| 03:02.47 | Debian\Pwns | i cant use apt-get install alien .. i am gettin missin packages .. and with -fix--missing i am gettin 404 not found |
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| 03:03.09 | mrcheeks | Debian\Pwns: try apt-setup and add another repository/mirror |
| 03:03.20 | KerPlunk | Are there any other distros with huge repositories like debian.org? |
| 03:03.33 | mrcheeks | KerPlunk:don't think so... |
| 03:03.36 | KerPlunk | That are updated frequently. |
| 03:03.41 | Spods | kerplunk: woody is stable, sarge is testing and testing is frozen so that eventually woody can be replaced with sarge as the new stable. a new trunk called etch will then become the new testing. is that clear as mud? :) |
| 03:03.42 | Debian\Pwns | what mirrors do i add though? is there a list or sumthing |
| 03:03.43 | kelan | sure. LFS has more |
| 03:03.55 | KerPlunk | Spods: yea but woody hasn't been updated in like 2 years |
| 03:03.55 | kelan | anything you can find is in it! |
| 03:04.00 | mrcheeks | kelan:LFS for sure :-)) |
| 03:04.02 | KerPlunk | No one even pays attention to woody. |
| 03:04.08 | Spods | kerplunk: you can't rush art ;) |
| 03:04.21 | Debian\Pwns | sorted |
| 03:04.25 | Phated | Sure they do. The people running production servers, for one. |
| 03:04.29 | KerPlunk | So the new name it etch? |
| 03:04.36 | jaka | could some one try to access http://kien.dyndns.biz and tell me what you get? |
| 03:04.41 | KerPlunk | s/it/is |
| 03:04.42 | Phated | When sarge becomes stable, the new testing will be etch. |
| 03:04.52 | Spods | kerplunk: etch will be testing once sarge has been made stable, yes |
| 03:04.55 | KerPlunk | woody to sarge to etch? |
| 03:04.59 | KerPlunk | What does etch mean? |
| 03:05.03 | kelan | !tell Debian\Pwns about mirrors |
| 03:05.13 | Xenguy | jaka: it works, but broken images |
| 03:05.25 | Spods | kerplunk: debian branch names are taken from the movie toystory |
| 03:05.27 | karsten | !Tell KerPlunk about releases |
| 03:05.45 | jaka | great, thanks, i know about the broken images. |
| 03:05.52 | karsten | KerPlunk: Names come from Toy Story movies. |
| 03:05.52 | karsten | KerPlunk: Bruce Perens, former DPL, worked there. |
| 03:05.54 | Solet | how do capture all text output from a script to a file? |
| 03:06.01 | KerPlunk | !bo |
| 03:06.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
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| 03:06.04 | KerPlunk | !hamm |
| 03:06.04 | dpkg | well, hamm is Debian 2.0, released for i386 and m68k (first multi-arch release), or released July 24, 1998 |
| 03:06.06 | KerPlunk | !slink |
| 03:06.06 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 03:06.08 | KerPlunk | !potato |
| 03:06.09 | dpkg | potato is probably Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 03:06.17 | Xenguy | Solet: tee ? |
| 03:06.18 | KerPlunk | !woody |
| 03:06.19 | dpkg | woody is, like, the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 03:06.20 | KerPlunk | !sarge |
| 03:06.21 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
| 03:06.23 | KerPlunk | !etch |
| 03:06.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 03:06.29 | abrotman | KerPlunk: fucking STOP |
| 03:06.32 | Solet | KerPlunk: /MSG IS A GOOD THING |
| 03:06.37 | Xenguy | KerPlunk: *plonk* |
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| 03:07.00 | jaka | Xenguy, my problem is, i can't access from non-root. in this case, the standard debian placeholder page appears. you have any idea? |
| 03:07.07 | Solet | @lart KerPlunk |
| 03:07.16 | Spods | when/if debian runs out of release names, will they start on Toy Story 2 names? |
| 03:07.27 | Spods | i'm just curious |
| 03:07.35 | plb- | any you guys run flux/black/openbox any other minimal wms? |
| 03:07.43 | KerPlunk | I run those plb- |
| 03:07.46 | Phated | They can hardly run out, not with all the LGMs to go through. |
| 03:07.49 | zinx | Spods: with Debian's release cycle, that won't happen for quite some time... |
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| 03:07.52 | karsten | plb-: WindowMaker if that counts. |
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| 03:07.59 | Phated | plb-: Openbox. |
| 03:08.00 | karsten | plb-: Why? |
| 03:08.06 | karsten | Phated: LGMs? |
| 03:08.08 | KerPlunk | plb-: fluxbox |
| 03:08.12 | karsten | Phated: Fitting. ;-) |
| 03:08.13 | Phated | karsten: Little Green Men? |
| 03:08.14 | Solet | Xenguy: so i just ./start_net | tee |
| 03:08.20 | Spods | zinx: hehe, well yeah, but debian has about the only following for an operating system i know that might actually get there :) |
| 03:08.35 | plb- | well me and some other people setup a theme site for minimal wms just set it up wednesday just want to hear what you guys think about it www.boxwhore.org |
| 03:08.45 | plb- | not much content yet |
| 03:08.45 | Xenguy | Solet: I'm not exactly sure - it's an idea that might help - try some tests :-) |
| 03:08.46 | karsten | Phated: They're in the movies? I haven't actually seen 'em. |
| 03:08.46 | abrotman | oh jeez .. don't spam us |
| 03:08.48 | zinx | Spods: yeah, but they'll deal with it when it happens, 'cause it's not exactly all that important :) |
| 03:08.56 | abrotman | plb-: put a link on slashdot |
| 03:09.03 | plb- | abrotman: not spamming just trying to get some opinions is all ;] |
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| 03:09.11 | zinx | yeah, slashdot seems to be the place to spam your personal sites |
| 03:09.12 | abrotman | plb-: you mean spamming |
| 03:09.13 | Spods | zinx: true |
| 03:09.19 | Phated | karsten: You're kidding, of course, because Buzz and Woody were in a vending machine full of them. |
| 03:09.27 | Xenguy | jaka: that does not make sense to me - you should get the same page, yes? |
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| 03:09.38 | abrotman | plb-: go spam another channel please |
| 03:09.42 | plb- | well then sorry for the spam =\ |
| 03:09.53 | abrotman | err .. wait .. |
| 03:09.56 | abrotman | don't spam at all :) |
| 03:09.57 | jaka | Xenguy, that is what i expect too. |
| 03:10.06 | abrotman | plb-: put a link on slashdot .. they will click anything :) |
| 03:10.10 | plb- | lol |
| 03:10.13 | plb- | probably right |
| 03:10.15 | KerPlunk | plb-: shameless spam |
| 03:10.16 | karsten | Phated: ?? |
| 03:10.45 | jaka | Xenguy, thamks anyway, i'll go and try to figure it out. |
| 03:10.49 | Phated | karsten: You -did- actually -watch- the movie, no? Buzz and Woody were in a box full of them. Sid got one of them and gave it to his dog. |
| 03:11.04 | karsten | Phated: No, I didn't. |
| 03:11.11 | Phated | karsten: Apparently. |
| 03:11.14 | karsten | Phated: I may have seen snippets, but not either in full. |
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| 03:12.02 | abrotman | karsten: what kind of child are you? |
| 03:12.15 | Phated | karsten: So it would seem. |
| 03:12.19 | rixth | When I run Firefox I get "Illegal Intsruction" wtf? |
| 03:12.21 | karsten | abrotman: A sorely neglected one. |
| 03:12.28 | abrotman | karsten: ok |
| 03:12.44 | _me_ | plb looks good |
| 03:12.47 | kongen | can i apt get mozilla firefox? |
| 03:12.48 | karsten | rixth: What's an Intstruction? |
| 03:12.55 | abrotman | kongen: yes .. |
| 03:12.57 | Phated | Well, that explains all the attention-craving actions. |
| 03:12.59 | abrotman | !tell kongen about search |
| 03:12.59 | karsten | rixth: Erm. "Intsruction" |
| 03:13.03 | kongen | hmm, my apt cant :( |
| 03:13.06 | rixth | instruction |
| 03:13.08 | rixth | sorry :) |
| 03:13.27 | abrotman | !tell kongen about firefox |
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| 03:14.42 | abrotman | cry baby |
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| 03:16.38 | rixth | When I run Firefox I get "Illegal instruction" any ideas |
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| 03:16.46 | cafuego | rixth: 'strace' |
| 03:16.47 | abrotman | bts |
| 03:16.55 | rixth | strace? |
| 03:16.57 | Solet | i tried using tee to cache output but that only caught a few textual things that were 'echoed' with the script, how can i capture everything that fly's down my screen? |
| 03:17.16 | nunez | how would I go about uncompressing an iso or mounting it? |
| 03:17.32 | abrotman | !strace |
| 03:17.32 | dpkg | hmm... strace is a system call tracing utility. Run it like so: 'strace -f -o LOGFILE EXEC'.. A good way to diagnose problems |
| 03:17.33 | jaka | any webpage designer available for debian? |
| 03:17.39 | karsten | Solet: See /var/log/dmesg or install bootlogd |
| 03:17.40 | abrotman | bluefish |
| 03:17.41 | abrotman | nvu |
| 03:17.45 | Phated | august |
| 03:17.45 | abrotman | vi |
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| 03:17.53 | karsten | Solet: NM. |
| 03:17.55 | alamar | boring... |
| 03:17.58 | karsten | Solet: 'strace'? |
| 03:18.06 | karsten | Solet: strace foo 2>&1 | tee file.log |
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| 03:18.20 | jaka | abrotman, vi is a text editor, right? |
| 03:18.35 | karsten | jaka: It seems to think it is. |
| 03:18.38 | Wyzard | jaka: And HTML is text :-) |
| 03:18.43 | Solet | karsten: wtf is 2>&1? |
| 03:18.49 | karsten | Solet: man bash |
| 03:19.01 | jaka | can vi handle images? |
| 03:19.03 | Wyzard | Solet: Make file descriptor 2 (stderr) be a copy of file descriptor 1 (stdout) |
| 03:19.10 | Solet | jaka no |
| 03:19.13 | Wyzard | jaka: No, use Gimp for images |
| 03:19.16 | karsten | jaka: Define "handle". |
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| 03:19.22 | Spods | apt-cache search <whatever> searches all packages, how do i search for packages that are only already installed? |
| 03:19.29 | rixth | http://www.spectrumenterprises.org/strace |
| 03:19.37 | david_ | as I can recover the file to /dev/mixer? that elimin?or error |
| 03:19.42 | Solet | spods: prolly something with dpkg -L |
| 03:19.42 | jaka | karsten, can i create a page with images using vi? |
| 03:19.46 | karsten | Solet: dpkg --get-selections | grep '<tab>install' |
| 03:19.53 | helo | is there a program that allows installation of cpan perl mods by name ala apt? |
| 03:19.56 | surreal | why hasn't firefox's cache been updated yet? |
| 03:19.57 | karsten | jaka: A web page? |
| 03:20.05 | Spods | solet: i;ll check for syntax, thanks |
| 03:20.09 | jaka | karsten, yep |
| 03:20.10 | Xenguy | jaka: of course |
| 03:20.15 | Wyzard | jaka: HTML is plain text. |
| 03:20.28 | Wyzard | jaka: If you're looking for a WYSIWYG editor (like Dreamweaver), vi won't do that |
| 03:20.34 | jaka | nvu is from mozilla? |
| 03:20.37 | karsten | jaka: Yes. "Images" are referenced: <img src="<URL>"> |
| 03:20.38 | david_ | as I can recover the file to /dev/mixer? that elimin? or error |
| 03:20.38 | abrotman | jak: yes |
| 03:20.42 | abrotman | jaka |
| 03:20.43 | rixth | http://www.spectrumenterprises.org/strace |
| 03:20.47 | karsten | jaka: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/ |
| 03:20.51 | Xenguy | jaka: and if you're going to go with vi, use 'vim' instead :-) |
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| 03:21.00 | abrotman | Xenguy: nvi! |
| 03:21.07 | karsten | jaka: ...that page was designed entirely in vim (a vi implementation). |
| 03:21.07 | Xenguy | abrotman: bah! |
| 03:21.09 | Xenguy | :-) |
| 03:21.14 | kongen | How do i start Gnome? Evry time when i start X, KDE is starting up. |
| 03:21.40 | david_ | as I can recover the file to /dev/mixer? that elimin? or error |
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| 03:21.47 | karsten | kongen: How are you starting X? |
| 03:21.47 | jaka | i prefer a WYSIWYG editor, something like Frontpage (don't flame). |
| 03:21.53 | kongen | startx |
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| 03:21.56 | cadu | Xine on Debian doesn't come with encrypted dvd support ? |
| 03:21.57 | Phated | Remove KDE? |
| 03:21.58 | abrotman | jaka: bluefish/nvu |
| 03:22.04 | Debian\Pwns | hey can anyone reccomend a good mail server? preferably with a graphical interface :| so its like a bit easier :\ |
| 03:22.07 | jaka | is Dreamweaver available for debian? |
| 03:22.07 | abrotman | cadu: libdvdread ? |
| 03:22.09 | karsten | jaka: nvu, bluefish, Mozilla composer, amaya. |
| 03:22.15 | abrotman | Debian\Pwns: no .. |
| 03:22.19 | Phated | abrotman: libdvdcss...? |
| 03:22.26 | Wyzard | jaka: I don't think Adobe has any software ported to Linux, except for Acrobat Reader |
| 03:22.26 | karsten | Debian\Pwns: exim. If you absolutely must, webmin. |
| 03:22.26 | abrotman | Phated: libdvdread .. i think |
| 03:22.31 | cadu | abrotman: the DeCSS thing...i haven't tried a encripted dvd here yet (just switched my wife's box to full linux) .... |
| 03:22.36 | Wyzard | jaka: nor Macromedia anything but Flash |
| 03:22.40 | Phated | abrotman: He said encrypted. |
| 03:22.42 | abrotman | cadu: no sex for you |
| 03:22.46 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 03:22.47 | cadu | abrotman: no?! :"( |
| 03:22.59 | abrotman | do i have encrypted dvds ? |
| 03:23.02 | cadu | abrotman: i'm done ?! :"( |
| 03:23.02 | Phated | cadu: Use the marillat sources and install libdvdcss. |
| 03:23.18 | abrotman | dunno .. libdvdread plays all my dvds |
| 03:23.25 | Phated | Or libdvdcss2, whichever one it is. |
| 03:23.25 | Spods | solet: it's not dpkg -L, it's apt-cache search --installed |
| 03:23.26 | cadu | Phated: hmmmm , got it , debian doesn't wanna get down and dirty :) |
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| 03:23.45 | cadu | Phated: i'll have to recompile xine or it'll detect the presence of libdvdcss ?! |
| 03:23.48 | cadu | !marillat |
| 03:23.48 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 03:23.51 | Phated | cadu: Just install it. |
| 03:23.52 | jaka | thanks, folks. |
| 03:23.58 | gdub | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup |
| 03:24.03 | cadu | Phated: ha, i'll try :) thanks ;) |
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| 03:24.19 | Debian\Pwns | ummm well can anyone reccomend an easy to use/set-up mail server? |
| 03:24.28 | abrotman | postfix or exim |
| 03:24.31 | abrotman | and there are no guis |
| 03:24.51 | Debian\Pwns | ok thanks |
| 03:25.09 | kjparker | hi |
| 03:25.25 | kjparker | i got the madwifi drivers installed, and i can go ifconfig ath0 up |
| 03:25.32 | rixth | So how can I get my firefox working again? |
| 03:25.54 | kjparker | i got the madwifi drivers installed, and i can go ifconfig ath0 up |
| 03:26.19 | karsten | rixth: If you have a ~/.firefox/ directory, rename it elsewhere, try starting again. |
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| 03:26.51 | rixth | I have a ~/.mozilla/firefox |
| 03:26.55 | kjparker | are there any front end utils for managing network settings, specificaly wireless stuff? |
| 03:27.05 | abrotman | iwconfig ? |
| 03:27.06 | kjparker | like wep keys and the like? |
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| 03:27.18 | Solet | what is a .so file? |
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| 03:27.24 | abrotman | !.so |
| 03:27.25 | dpkg | i guess .so is shared object |
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| 03:27.48 | kelan | thats not very descriptive |
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| 03:27.54 | Solet | and that means what exactly? |
| 03:28.02 | kelan | Solet: an .so is a shared library |
| 03:28.03 | abrotman | like a dll i guess |
| 03:28.11 | rixth | --- SIGILL (Illegal instruction) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 03:28.11 | rixth | unlink("/home/rixth/.mozilla/firefox/w19dqeqn.default/lock") = 0 |
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| 03:28.24 | abrotman | !shared object |
| 03:28.24 | dpkg | i guess shared object is at http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-shobj/ |
| 03:28.28 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:28.31 | kelan | multiple programs can "load" it at once, and it only gets loaded into memory once. they share it |
| 03:28.38 | rixth | !flw 34 |
| 03:28.42 | abrotman | !flw |
| 03:28.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flw34 is <Essobi> How's clustering in pgres these days? <dpkg> Essobi: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=postgres+clustering <Essobi> FUCK JOOOO <Essobi> I was asking for opinion of peers whom I would consider being knowledgable, not some tards on google. |
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| 03:28.56 | jaka | 'apt-get install nvu' said no such package. |
| 03:28.57 | Xenguy | grr |
| 03:29.06 | rixth | I thought I was 34 :( |
| 03:29.08 | abrotman | Xenguy: you don't like flw ? |
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| 03:29.13 | abrotman | !qotd34 |
| 03:29.13 | dpkg | [qotd34] <voltagex> how can I enable syntax highlighting in nano? |
| 03:29.25 | Xenguy | abrotman: don't mind me ATM |
| 03:29.28 | abrotman | !flw30 |
| 03:29.28 | dpkg | well, flw30 is <narcmann> abrotman: I don't rely on my hard disks for storage |
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| 03:29.33 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:29.39 | abrotman | !listvals rixth |
| 03:29.41 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rixth' by value returned no results. |
| 03:29.46 | abrotman | rixth: guess not |
| 03:29.46 | rixth | Aww. |
| 03:30.05 | Spods | how do i work out which packaged installed a particular file on the disk? |
| 03:30.08 | abrotman | !listvals abrotman |
| 03:30.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'abrotman' by value (15 of 18): abrotman ;; broadcom woody ;; buckabeer ;; cheesesteak ;; crabpaste ;; flw17 ;; flw30 ;; iaaf ;; qotd114 ;; qotd40 ;; qotd53 ;; qotd59 ;; sarge pool 4 ;; sing abrotman ;; thinkpad. |
| 03:30.15 | rixth | Can anyone reccoemdn a fix for Firefox/ |
| 03:30.24 | kelan | !cheesesteak |
| 03:30.25 | dpkg | it has been said that cheesesteak is http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak, or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
| 03:30.25 | jaka | nvu is not available as debian package? or the name is not right? |
| 03:30.27 | abrotman | rixth: use epiphany ? |
| 03:30.36 | abrotman | kelan: i live outside philly |
| 03:30.36 | Xenguy | Spods: dpkg -S /usr/bin/foo |
| 03:30.39 | kelan | ah |
| 03:30.45 | Spods | Xenguy: thanks |
| 03:30.48 | rixth | A solution for the Illegal instruction |
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| 03:30.50 | Xenguy | Spods: yw |
| 03:31.11 | abrotman | rixth: does mozilla/firefox have bookmarks ? |
| 03:31.37 | Solet | abrotman: yes... |
| 03:31.41 | rixth | I've tried renaming ~/.mozilla/firefox and restarting but it still dies |
| 03:31.48 | kelan | jaka: which debian are you tracking? i see nvu in unstable |
| 03:31.54 | cinix | Anyone familiar with tripwire? Do I really want it databasing /proc? Everytime an application PID changes it's going to give me a headache |
| 03:31.59 | rixth | It dies as the root user too |
| 03:32.05 | abrotman | Solet: ? |
| 03:32.19 | abrotman | rixth: rm -rf ~/.mozilla |
| 03:32.22 | kelan | jaka: packages.debian.org says nvu is in unstable only |
| 03:32.24 | abrotman | rixth: then try again |
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| 03:32.44 | rixth | *** loading the extensions datasource |
| 03:32.45 | rixth | Illegal instruction |
| 03:32.45 | rixth | rixth@bear:~$ |
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| 03:33.05 | bucky | jaka, you don't need a deb.. it's pre compiled |
| 03:33.06 | abrotman | rixth: still ? |
| 03:33.13 | kjparker | oh well, off to try again.... |
| 03:33.16 | rixth | yep |
| 03:33.20 | jaka | kelan, that;s the reason, i am sarge. |
| 03:33.27 | abrotman | rixth: and you removed .mozilla/ ? |
| 03:33.28 | kongen | how do i do that apt finds mozilla firefox? |
| 03:33.35 | Spods | Xenguy: does dpkg-reconfigure initiate debconf settings if a package is debconfable? |
| 03:33.44 | Spods | if that make sense |
| 03:33.49 | bucky | jaka, but you do need mozilla or firefox installed |
| 03:33.52 | abrotman | kongen: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 03:33.57 | kongen | cant find package |
| 03:34.02 | rixth | I can that command you gave |
| 03:34.04 | abrotman | kongen: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:34.05 | jaka | bucky, how to download and install? i have mozilla firefox. |
| 03:34.10 | Xenguy | Spods: it initializes a reconfigure sequence (if that makes sense :-) |
| 03:34.17 | abrotman | rixth: it sounds like your firefox is messed up badly |
| 03:34.22 | kongen | 3.0 |
| 03:34.32 | abrotman | kongen: you're running woody .. firefox not in woody |
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| 03:34.38 | kongen | ok |
| 03:34.45 | jason_ | can amarok be used in gnome? |
| 03:34.45 | _gentgeen_ | Using exim4 and smarthost, when I send mail it shows it is from LOCALUSERNAME@comcast.net where LOCAL_USER_NAME is my username I use to login, but not my comcast name -- how can I fix that? |
| 03:34.50 | rixth | Just happened though! It was worknig fine, I accidentally closed it then Igot that when I tried to start it back up. |
| 03:34.55 | Spods | Xenguy: okay... yeah it does, but how do i get back in to a package's debconf setup as if it's just being installed? |
| 03:34.57 | abrotman | jason_: why not ? |
| 03:35.13 | bucky | jaka, tar xjf nvu-0.10PR-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2 into /usr/local |
| 03:35.22 | Xenguy | Spods: dpkg-reconfigure *should* do that :-/ |
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| 03:35.31 | bucky | and make a link from the exec to /usr/local/bin |
| 03:35.32 | Spods | Xenguy: great thanks |
| 03:35.40 | Xenguy | Spods: at least I think it should |
| 03:35.52 | abrotman | _gentgeen_: i'd ask #exim |
| 03:35.55 | rixth | I'm purging Firefox |
| 03:36.07 | _gentgeen_ | abrotman, I'll try that -- thanks |
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| 03:36.30 | jaka | bucky, it needs kernel 2.6.10. i am 2.6.8. can't use? |
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| 03:36.40 | holo | hi |
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| 03:36.51 | abrotman | !portuguese |
| 03:36.52 | dpkg | hmm... portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:36.57 | bucky | jaka, should be fine |
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| 03:37.34 | jaka | bucky, you sure, my kernel is of lower version. |
| 03:37.58 | bucky | jaka, mine works.. what's the worst thing that could happen? |
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| 03:38.12 | jaka | bucky, your kernel is? |
| 03:38.13 | holo | problem with vnc: i do xvncviewer and it just shows a static shell and i cant write any commands in it as it looks like just a backround |
| 03:38.26 | IDC | Morning |
| 03:38.55 | kongen | is 30-r5 the newest debian? |
| 03:39.22 | abrotman | kongen: newest stable yes ... |
| 03:39.34 | Spods | does mount -t iso9660 still work under 2.6, or is it now mount -t isofs? |
| 03:39.43 | kongen | ok, is 30-r5 better than 3.0? |
| 03:40.15 | abrotman | kongen: yes |
| 03:40.22 | abrotman | it's actually 3.0r5 |
| 03:40.42 | kelan | Spods: iso9660 works |
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| 03:41.10 | Spods | kelan: thanks |
| 03:41.30 | kelan | debian should jump its version number like slack did |
| 03:41.36 | kelan | sarge could be version 30! |
| 03:41.38 | Spods | im outta here, thanks for the help as usual ppl |
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| 03:43.07 | jbmigel | kelan lol that was funny patrick was all "everyone else did it so im onboard" |
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| 03:43.44 | fman | hey all |
| 03:44.04 | fman | anyone here able to recomend some decent motherboards that I can use with SATA |
| 03:44.08 | rixth | I apt-get purged Firefox, installed, and all fixed! |
| 03:44.13 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 03:44.14 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 03:44.15 | kelan | debian is falling behind tho:( other distros are getting to double digit versions! |
| 03:44.18 | fman | need to build two servers |
| 03:44.28 | abrotman | kelan: some are quad digit |
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| 03:44.35 | kelan | really? |
| 03:44.45 | kelan | gentoo? |
| 03:44.46 | jbmigel | fman try newegg, everything has sata now |
| 03:44.46 | kelan | heh |
| 03:44.52 | kelan | 2005.1! |
| 03:44.53 | abrotman | i believe gentoo released 2005a or whatever it was |
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| 03:45.16 | fman | I know, just want to know if there is any that people know work better/best with Debian |
| 03:45.20 | jbmigel | ya fedora is about to totally overtake debian with fc4 soon |
| 03:45.46 | kelan | yes! even distros that started over are catching up |
| 03:45.49 | abrotman | fman: make sure the driver is stable in the kernel . and a free driver |
| 03:45.53 | abrotman | should be good enough |
| 03:45.56 | fman | :) |
| 03:46.05 | fman | yep, just not sure about sata booting etc... |
| 03:46.14 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 03:46.14 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 03:46.15 | fman | as I've heard that some are different from others... |
| 03:46.20 | jbmigel | fman i would ignore crap about software raids and all cuz its sucks |
| 03:46.22 | jason_ | is it just me or does kde have too much in its menus and gnome not enough? |
| 03:46.24 | abrotman | fman: regarding RAID ? |
| 03:46.30 | fman | not going to do raid |
| 03:46.34 | abrotman | jason_: apt-get install menu |
| 03:46.40 | fman | just one big disk....got to build some oracle servers |
| 03:46.46 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know if there's a FAQ or README for setting up a home network as eth1 between a debian and Windows XP box? |
| 03:46.46 | abrotman | jason_: should be roughly the same size |
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| 03:46.51 | fman | and no way am I going to run redhat enterprise |
| 03:47.14 | abrotman | fman: also beware the sata_sil.c bg |
| 03:47.17 | abrotman | err bug |
| 03:47.21 | BitShift | kelan, it's not about version numbers anyway... i feel quite comfortable with sarge and before that, i was using gentoo. :) |
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| 03:47.24 | bitsmash | hi |
| 03:47.29 | abrotman | kingsley: you mean a crossover cable ? |
| 03:47.41 | bitsmash | can anyone tell me how to unzip multiple zip files |
| 03:48.03 | abrotman | ls -1 | xargs unzip .. and that's a -one |
| 03:48.07 | abrotman | err shipt |
| 03:48.12 | abrotman | ls -1 *.zip |
| 03:48.22 | jbmigel | fman what type of cpu are you planning amd or intel? |
| 03:48.35 | kingsley | abrotman: I'm looking for guidance on configuring everthing involved with eth1: cabling, drivers, ifconfig, route, ping tests, etc... |
| 03:48.40 | fman | I'm an AMD fan |
| 03:48.43 | kelan | BitShift: thats a pretty big step backward. like two thousand versions |
| 03:48.46 | abrotman | kingsley: get a hub :) |
| 03:48.56 | fman | jsut need two fast machines with a lot of ram...like 2-3 gig |
| 03:49.03 | abrotman | kingsley: otherwise .. google "ethernet crossover cable" or go buy one |
| 03:49.14 | jason_ | abrotman: my gnome menus are missing a bunch of multimedia apps and my kde menus have multiple entries for some applications- thunderbird, thunderbird profile manager etc. those are helpful but when there's 30 entries in a sub-menu, it's too much |
| 03:49.18 | abrotman | bitsmash: don't /msg me |
| 03:49.22 | BitShift | kelan, lol. i don't mind. :p |
| 03:49.25 | kelan | heh |
| 03:49.26 | jbmigel | fman sweet get a couple of them new dual core jobs |
| 03:49.30 | abrotman | jason_: oh .. heh |
| 03:49.38 | kjparker | is it normal (with Sarge) if I do a apt-get upgrade, that it will on average want to download about 8mb of stuff? every few days? |
| 03:49.41 | fman | well, have a limited budget as it is for lab equipment |
| 03:49.52 | abrotman | kjparker: be glad that |
| 03:49.55 | abrotman | that's all it is lately |
| 03:50.03 | fman | just want to make sure a get a good priced board that has decent sata support |
| 03:50.15 | kjparker | so that's normal. :) |
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| 03:50.34 | jason_ | what do i need to automount a usb key? |
| 03:50.46 | jbmigel | fman my asus k8v board has SATA and works great with every distro i tried also bsd |
| 03:50.48 | BitShift | kjparker, you should set it to sid and see your isp weep. =D |
| 03:50.56 | kelan | kjparker: if you're tracking unstable, its pretty normal. packages update quickly there |
| 03:51.01 | fman | boots debian install cd ok then |
| 03:51.02 | bitsmash | abrotman: what is xargs? |
| 03:51.02 | BitShift | poor debian mirrors though... |
| 03:51.07 | abrotman | bitsmash: man xargs |
| 03:51.08 | fman | I was looking at some of the asus stuff |
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| 03:51.20 | kjparker | kelan, i'm using sarge |
| 03:51.20 | abrotman | beware sata_sil |
| 03:51.26 | abrotman | fman: ^ |
| 03:51.34 | jbmigel | fman ya man ive only had some trouble with 64bit network drivers. |
| 03:51.52 | bitsmash | abrotman: strange is this a new way? |
| 03:51.56 | kjparker | grr, still can't figure out how to get this bloody wireless card to work. |
| 03:51.58 | abrotman | new way? |
| 03:52.02 | fman | how about the athalon64 stuff... |
| 03:52.04 | kelan | hmm, i would have thought sarge wouldn't be getting much in updates because of the freeze. but i guess 8mb every few days isnt much |
| 03:52.07 | kjparker | i managed to install madwifi |
| 03:52.08 | abrotman | no .. i think xargs has been around for 30 years or so |
| 03:52.24 | fman | just trying to get the most bang for buck...but then again I need a real x86 I think for the software I'm using |
| 03:52.25 | kjparker | iwconfig reports ath0 |
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| 03:52.30 | Psychik | hi |
| 03:52.46 | Psychik | plz someone tell me how to open ports without iptables plz ? |
| 03:52.53 | kjparker | but i can't get it to associate to the wireless access point.... |
| 03:53.03 | abrotman | Psychik: as opposed to ? |
| 03:53.07 | jbmigel | fman I have run 64 bit debian in the past and it works ok, but not for desktop so i switched back... i need my flash. |
| 03:53.11 | Psychik | for apache |
| 03:53.15 | kjparker | i'm sure that there is nothing wrong, and the problem is purely pebcac |
| 03:53.18 | Psychik | i wanna open the 82 |
| 03:53.19 | bitsmash | abrotman: im getting caution: filename not matched: |
| 03:53.32 | abrotman | bitsmash: doesn't make sense |
| 03:53.41 | abrotman | Psychik: so configure apache to do that |
| 03:53.51 | IDC | i have a question please,why it's different outcome that you power on the HUB/switch first before the client/serve machines are fired up than doing it in the negative way ? |
| 03:53.52 | Psychik | in the httpd.conf ? |
| 03:53.55 | abrotman | sure |
| 03:54.15 | fman | ok - we're looking at some asus p4p800 |
| 03:54.21 | fman | which look to have some support |
| 03:54.27 | Psychik | normaly i setted it to listen on this port but i get connexion refused |
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| 03:54.40 | IDC | if i power on server/client before the hub,the network has problems :( |
| 03:54.43 | abrotman | Psychik: you have to configure apache to do that |
| 03:54.46 | jbmigel | fman ya i seen some people with that chipset... should be ok |
| 03:54.49 | Psychik | okay |
| 03:54.54 | Psychik | i'll see the docs |
| 03:54.55 | kjparker | ok. stupid question time. |
| 03:54.55 | Psychik | thx |
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| 03:55.13 | jason_ | hmm, i was told yesterday how to set the default debian version so that i could use apt-get -t unstable to install unstable packages? anyone know that line? |
| 03:55.24 | kjparker | how do i change from gdm to kdm? |
| 03:55.25 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 03:55.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *nPin: release a=testingnPin-Priority: 900n\nPackage: *nPin: release o=DebiannPin-Priority: -10n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1 or http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 03:55.30 | abrotman | err |
| 03:55.30 | jbmigel | fman just make sure the ram you buy is on asus compatability listings... ive heard troubles before with ram too |
| 03:55.34 | abrotman | wait .. i odn't htink th'at sit |
| 03:55.38 | kelan | IDC: maybe because the server and clients can't see anything b/c the hub that connects them to things isnt turned on |
| 03:55.41 | abrotman | spacke bar broik en |
| 03:55.52 | fman | ok |
| 03:55.57 | fman | will check it out |
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| 03:56.12 | Mikdugal1 | does anyone know misato |
| 03:56.14 | fman | as ram is really crucial for this server....given that the specs call for 2-4 gig of ram |
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| 03:56.29 | abrotman | !tell jason_ about simple sid/sarge mix |
| 03:56.34 | jbmigel | fman well i suggest going with crucial ram then lol |
| 03:56.37 | abrotman | jason_: that ? |
| 03:56.45 | Solet | grrr... fuckin acx100 is all broken... |
| 03:56.52 | IDC | kelan, very likely |
| 03:56.54 | fman | keep coming back to the damn budget I've got :) |
| 03:56.58 | fman | but will sort if out |
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| 03:57.23 | bitsmash | abrotman: can the files be cat together somehow? |
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| 03:57.31 | bitsmash | the zips |
| 03:57.45 | abrotman | bitsmash: dunno .. dnno how zip works |
| 03:57.49 | jbmigel | fman there is that cheap sempron 3100+ that has the same integrated memory controller as big brothers... should help your memory throughput plus not hurt budget |
| 03:57.50 | IDC | kelan, strange is,if the server/client machine were powed on before the hub,they could communicate to each other no problem ...but just for a bit of time...then message come out read as "time out' |
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| 03:58.17 | fman | yeah, thats a good point... |
| 03:58.25 | fman | that 3100 is supposed to be ok |
| 03:58.28 | IDC | kelan, So i just learned that i need to power on HUB first ...wondering why is that though :) |
| 03:58.31 | jason_ | thanks abrotman |
| 03:58.38 | jbmigel | fman ya i think they recently released another one too |
| 03:58.53 | fman | not badly priced |
| 03:59.26 | kelan | IDC: thats what im saying. if you power the server on first, maybe its looking for something on the network that it can't find, so things don't turn out right |
| 03:59.44 | kelan | b/c it needs the hub up to find things |
| 04:00.07 | jbmigel | fman ya they have 3300 now too but it looks like 3100 is still better... 3300 only has 128k cache now 1/2 what 3100 has |
| 04:00.12 | IDC | kelan, I see :) |
| 04:00.17 | fman | ah ok |
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| 04:00.30 | fman | still no match for a real 3.0 ghz P4 I take it |
| 04:00.37 | kelan | more likely the clients are looking for something the server usually provides. but if the hub isnt on, they can't find the server to get the info |
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| 04:01.15 | kelan | okay, well im out. night folks |
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| 04:01.36 | jbmigel | fman no your right for database you need lots of cache, i suggest a used itanium server off ebay with 4MB L3! w00t! |
| 04:01.48 | IDC | kelan, oh yeah,i setup NAT thing on server ,i always ssh from client to server via hub |
| 04:02.14 | fman | well, the production one will be an itanium or equilivant |
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| 04:02.21 | mexcore_ | hey |
| 04:02.32 | bucky | yeh |
| 04:02.36 | fman | the server admins will stick redhat enterprise on it though |
| 04:02.36 | mexcore | umm |
| 04:02.42 | bucky | mmu |
| 04:02.43 | fman | although they will need to for oracle support |
| 04:02.49 | mexcore | where an i get some info on setting up a dhcp server? |
| 04:02.57 | abrotman | mexcore: /usr/share/doc |
| 04:03.01 | mexcore | hmm |
| 04:03.03 | mexcore | ok |
| 04:03.07 | fman | although for lab stuff a sempron will probably be enough |
| 04:03.11 | abrotman | mexcore: you may need to install a dhcpd first |
| 04:03.22 | mexcore | all'rite |
| 04:03.38 | sparr_ | "We have more people supporting a handful of Windows users than roughly 7,000 Linux systems," Prince said. He added that the Linux systems "just sit there and don't break. They run and run and run. People can't mess them up. They don't get messed up on their own. Unless there's a hardware problem, we almost never have to do anything with them." |
| 04:03.45 | sparr_ | im keeping that quote handy |
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| 04:04.09 | mexcore | abrotman whats the best thing i could do to share the connection the box has? |
| 04:04.37 | abrotman | mexcore: ipmasq |
| 04:04.42 | mexcore | hmm |
| 04:04.44 | jason_ | abrotman: crap- i think i replaced the apt.conf file with that line. can you paste me what you have in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 04:04.44 | mexcore | no nat? |
| 04:05.00 | llama32 | whats an oldish GUI/OS that could be [mostly] cloned on top of linux? keeping in mind there is already AROS that clones amiga... |
| 04:05.17 | fman | just use aros :) |
| 04:05.30 | fman | gem :) |
| 04:05.41 | abrotman | jason_: mine is empty :) |
| 04:05.45 | jason_ | ah, ok |
| 04:05.46 | shido6 | GE/OS |
| 04:05.51 | shido6 | if you can remember back that far |
| 04:06.03 | mexcore | hmmmmm |
| 04:06.06 | abrotman | llama32: macos7 :) |
| 04:06.25 | llama32 | abrotman: id rather devour faecis |
| 04:06.51 | llama32 | shido6: what were GE/OS's apps written in? |
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| 04:06.53 | fman | well, GEM is jsut as ancient... |
| 04:06.55 | fman | probably more so |
| 04:07.23 | abrotman | fman: you could help 5dwm project |
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| 04:08.05 | furrywolf | NICE scrapyard haul today. total of 36 sprockets (6 #40, 4 #25, 28 #35), pile of chain, car suspension airbags, and a shitload of other stuff... 120lbs total... $25. god I love that place. :) |
| 04:08.09 | bitsmash | abrotman: atool -xe *.zip |
| 04:08.28 | jason_ | abrotman: after i did that i did an apt-get upgrade and it says it wants me to get 15 MB (45) new packages but i just updated. is it trying to install something from unstable? |
| 04:08.33 | abrotman | bitsmash: ok |
| 04:08.41 | abrotman | jason_: probably |
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| 04:09.00 | SDFH_Linux | sparr where did you get that quote? |
| 04:09.26 | jason_ | abrotman: what should i do? |
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| 04:09.49 | abrotman | jason_: dunno .. i don't mix versions of debian |
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| 04:11.09 | Solte | how do i get my wifi card to report a 'host name' to my router? |
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| 04:13.06 | mwilson | Solte: Why does it need to? |
| 04:13.20 | jason_ | awesome, apt-get -t unstable install gaim mozilla-firefox and now i have gaim 1.3 and firefox 1.0.4 |
| 04:13.42 | mwilson | Ah, if only crapfox were worth bothering with. |
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| 04:14.02 | |XO2| | mwilson what do you prefer? |
| 04:14.18 | Xinux | we will, we will OWN YOU |
| 04:14.19 | mwilson | I use links2 for just about everything. |
| 04:14.36 | Xinux | pwn-age, pwn-age, 1337AGE |
| 04:14.41 | furrywolf | Xinux: Queen are not role models. |
| 04:14.57 | Xinux | furrywolf: You can't diss that song. |
| 04:15.21 | mwilson | ack, new X in unstable tonight... |
| 04:15.25 | furrywolf | umm. they repeat the same thing ~100 times, with occasional one-concept lyrics intermixed? I can too diss it. :P |
| 04:15.35 | Xinux | ehemm so |
| 04:15.37 | jason_ | mwilson: firefox is great. why don't you like it? |
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| 04:16.00 | Xinux | furrywolf |
| 04:16.02 | jason_ | cool, debian unstable even has a newly compiled gaim-encryption plugin for 1.3 |
| 04:16.03 | Xinux | listen to the whole song |
| 04:16.30 | Xinux | the WHOLE song |
| 04:16.44 | K_Dallas | links2 does not accept https! |
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| 04:17.24 | mwilson | K_Dallas: Really. You'd better tell the authors, then... they certainly think it does. |
| 04:17.27 | furrywolf | don't think I have it at the moment. haven't bothered getting much queen... |
| 04:17.31 | llama32 | anyone know what language riscos apps [usually] used? |
| 04:17.34 | kjparker | ok, i know this is pebcac big time, but i am stuck |
| 04:17.44 | jason_ | abrotman: i was wrong about the upgrade. I got rid of the unstable source and did an apt-get update and it still shows those updates. I guess it's working correctly |
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| 04:17.49 | Guerin | between chair and carrot? |
| 04:17.52 | K_Dallas | mwilson, i had never used links2, saw somebody mentioned it and tried it just now |
| 04:18.06 | jason_ | is there a command line option to get recommended debs? |
| 04:18.09 | jason_ | for apt-get |
| 04:18.13 | kjparker | could someone point me in the direction of some wireless debian howto's? |
| 04:18.24 | K_Dallas | i used to be a master of lynx :) so for the sake of good old days thought to have a play with links2 |
| 04:18.25 | kjparker | i can't get this atheros card working...\ |
| 04:18.25 | mwilson | K_Dallas: I'm happy for you, although I have no idea what that has to do with your incorrect claim that it doesn't support https. |
| 04:18.27 | kjparker | :( |
| 04:18.49 | kjparker | Guerin, : problem exists between chair and computer |
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| 04:18.57 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:18.59 | Guerin | i know |
| 04:19.05 | Guerin | but thanks for sharing |
| 04:19.05 | furrywolf | bbl, look like a grease monkey. need to hop in the shower. |
| 04:19.29 | jason_ | oh..the updates are from the base install |
| 04:19.30 | Guerin | furrywolf: hopping on a wet surface while naked is unadvisable. |
| 04:19.35 | K_Dallas | mwilson, it says this version (which i installed right now on sarge) does not contain SSL support! |
| 04:19.49 | furrywolf | and why's that? I like being naked and wet. :P |
| 04:20.11 | mwilson | K_Dallas: <shrug> If you say so. I have no idea what the Debian package does and does not support. |
| 04:20.13 | K_Dallas | so maybe i have to look for another one and btw, i was told that is is textual as well as visual, is that so? |
| 04:20.28 | furrywolf | mostly my arms are covered in grease... I wore nitrile gloves, as I always do when dismantling random stuff, but I need to get some arm-length ones... |
| 04:20.32 | abrotman | sleeeep |
| 04:20.33 | Guerin | furrywolf: gravity. |
| 04:21.14 | furrywolf | seriously cool haul from the scrapyard today. probably over $1000 just of sprockets, all almost new and shiny... |
| 04:21.33 | jason_ | abrotman: i'm really enjoying debian. apt-get and synaptic are awesome and easy to use. I should have tried debian a lot sooner |
| 04:21.41 | jason_ | now to get kde to my liking |
| 04:21.47 | abrotman | jason_: we agree :) |
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| 04:22.11 | kjparker | which wm uses the least resources, kde or gnome? |
| 04:22.25 | furrywolf | kjparker: everything except those two use less resources. |
| 04:22.26 | abrotman | kjparker: they are both fat .. pick open/black/fluxbox |
| 04:22.37 | K_Dallas | or ion ;) |
| 04:23.05 | mwilson | K_Dallas: links2 links against openssl. GPL programs can't do that and distribute the result. Hence, Debian's links2 probably doesn't support SSL. |
| 04:23.09 | SDFH_Linux | does the gaim encrpytion work when you are only encrypting not the person you are chattting with? |
| 04:23.22 | K_Dallas | i see |
| 04:23.30 | K_Dallas | thanks for the info |
| 04:23.34 | kjparker | i don't want to use gdm anymore, however it is my default login manager. |
| 04:23.39 | furrywolf | 120lbs of shiny parts for $25... I could sell any 3 of those sprockets on ebay for that much. |
| 04:23.51 | furrywolf | !nodm |
| 04:23.52 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 04:23.52 | kjparker | if i apt-get remove gdm will that break (badly) my system? |
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| 04:24.01 | peterS | kjparker: no |
| 04:24.04 | Wyzard | kjparker: No, your graphical login screen will just go away |
| 04:24.05 | peterS | kjparker: and if it does, you reinstall it |
| 04:24.18 | kjparker | i want to use kdm |
| 04:24.49 | furrywolf | bbl, becoming clean wolfy. |
| 04:24.50 | Wyzard | Then install it |
| 04:24.54 | Wyzard | though IMO, gdm is better |
| 04:25.05 | Wyzard | Last I saw kdm, it was ugly and not as configurable |
| 04:25.20 | kjparker | i can't figure out how to drop to a non gui login session |
| 04:25.24 | kjparker | in gdm |
| 04:25.25 | mwilson | Wyzard: You mean like the rest of KDE, huh? |
| 04:25.29 | kjparker | is there a way? |
| 04:25.42 | furrywolf | kjparker: just hit ctrl-lalt-f1 |
| 04:25.47 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, KDE is indeed highly configurable... but I agree that its themes tend to be ugly :-) |
| 04:25.50 | furrywolf | s/lalt/alt |
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| 04:26.12 | kjparker | at thwe gdm screen? |
| 04:26.22 | furrywolf | at any screen. right now will work fine. |
| 04:26.42 | mwilson | Wyzard: Indeed, it's a KDE theme requirement. I think it comes from when that idiot Mosfet was supposedly the god of KDE themes. |
| 04:26.46 | elbixio | hi, i'm using blender and made an avi movie, now i have to put some sound in it, but blender cannot do this |
| 04:26.47 | furrywolf | press ctrl-alt-f7 to get back |
| 04:26.51 | rob_lt | I think ctrl-alt-f1 will take you to the session that is running X though... ctrl-alt-f2 should take you right to a login. |
| 04:26.58 | elbixio | is there any software i can use to insert sound to an avi file? |
| 04:27.18 | furrywolf | elbixio: know any "blender for morons with no artistic tallent" tutorials? I need one. :) |
| 04:27.24 | kjparker | hmm |
| 04:27.48 | Wyzard | elbixio: In Windows, I'd use VirtualDub, but I don't know of any software in Debian for doing it (mostly because I haven't looked) |
| 04:27.48 | kjparker | think it's time for me to have a play |
| 04:28.06 | peterS | furrywolf: I, uh, don't think blender was meant for morons with no artistic talent (: |
| 04:28.08 | rob_lt | elbixio, maybe transcode? |
| 04:28.11 | elbixio | furrywolf, i've only read "blender for morons" tutorials, they have no artistic tallent :) |
| 04:28.18 | furrywolf | lol |
| 04:28.33 | peterS | furrywolf: mind you, I haven't tried it. I am, after all, a moron with no artistic talent |
| 04:28.40 | kjparker | which wm other than gnome or kde, would people recommend for a windows user, to feel comfortable in |
| 04:28.46 | furrywolf | peterS: join the club. :) |
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| 04:28.52 | kjparker | given i don't mind playing to get it right |
| 04:28.53 | furrywolf | kjparker: icewm |
| 04:28.53 | elbixio | transcode, uh? |
| 04:29.01 | elbixio | i'll look for it |
| 04:29.05 | K_Dallas | kjparker, windows maker is nice, xfce as well |
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| 04:29.11 | mwilson | Gnome and KDE aren't window managers. |
| 04:29.18 | Solet | mwilson: so i can set a static dhcp address to that machine |
| 04:29.18 | Xinux | burn the song onto a disc |
| 04:29.25 | Xinux | then the video on a seperate disc |
| 04:29.29 | Xinux | stick it in a blender |
| 04:29.33 | Xinux | close the lid, press mix |
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| 04:29.34 | furrywolf | bbl, shower. I have to get up early on saturdays, and don't want to go to bed covered in grease. :) |
| 04:29.43 | kjparker | mwilson, oops, yes i know, but you also know what i mean |
| 04:30.02 | Xinux | put a disc in the blender just to see what happens |
| 04:30.06 | Xinux | its fun |
| 04:30.08 | elbixio | :) |
| 04:30.11 | Thaiger | How do I mount flashdrives so that users can write to them? |
| 04:30.14 | kjparker | try putting one in the microwave |
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| 04:30.21 | elbixio | :| |
| 04:30.25 | Wyzard | kjparker: Hey, I was about to say that :-) |
| 04:30.26 | Xinux | that wouldn't do anything |
| 04:30.33 | Wyzard | Xinux: Yes it does... try it |
| 04:30.34 | Xinux | wait |
| 04:30.34 | furrywolf | set them on top of each other, and microwave on high for 30 seconds. |
| 04:30.35 | kjparker | wanna bet |
| 04:30.36 | Xinux | yes it does |
| 04:30.44 | Xinux | cuz CD is plastic and it can absorb rays |
| 04:30.51 | furrywolf | bah. you said it as I was typing it. :P |
| 04:30.54 | kjparker | there is a metallic film |
| 04:31.04 | furrywolf | the film goes all crackly and sparkly and shiny |
| 04:31.06 | furrywolf | bbl. :P |
| 04:31.07 | Wyzard | Xinux: The reflective layer contracts and cracks into a nifty pattern |
| 04:31.19 | elbixio | Thaiger: i use this line in /etc/fstab: /dev/sdb /media/flash vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 04:31.21 | Xinux | does it f**k up your microwave? |
| 04:31.25 | furrywolf | nope |
| 04:31.29 | kjparker | not if you only do it for a second |
| 04:31.34 | mwilson | It can, if you leave it long enough. |
| 04:31.35 | kjparker | which is all you need |
| 04:31.51 | Xinux | put somebodies head in the microwave |
| 04:31.56 | mwilson | Cool... -13 fixes xdm bug. |
| 04:32.20 | peterS | Xinux: you'd have to defeat the safety switch that doesn't let the microwave operate with the door unlatched |
| 04:32.29 | Xinux | thats easy |
| 04:32.40 | Xinux | i do it on CD players all the time |
| 04:32.44 | Guerin | stupid things often are |
| 04:33.00 | Thaiger | elbixio: Thanks |
| 04:33.07 | Wyzard | Why would you want to operate a microwave oven with the door open? |
| 04:33.08 | elbixio | Thaiger: np :) |
| 04:33.18 | Xinux | so you can fry peoples heads |
| 04:33.18 | Wyzard | Oh, nm |
| 04:33.20 | mwilson | Guerin: Stupid things should always be as easy as possible, to ensure maximum cleaning of the gene pool. |
| 04:33.21 | peterS | Wyzard: it's the only reasonable way to get a person's head inside it |
| 04:33.26 | kjparker | that theory goes in the clubs on any night of the week |
| 04:33.27 | kjparker | ;) |
| 04:33.32 | Wyzard | I was about to say, all that'd accomplish is cooking your head, then I read more carefully :-) |
| 04:33.34 | Guerin | mwilson: exactly. |
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| 04:33.51 | Xinux | ::D |
| 04:34.14 | mwilson | Guerin: Mankind's collective intelligence is steadily decreasing as we prop up the stupid. |
| 04:34.19 | Xinux | piss in a microwave |
| 04:34.33 | Xinux | heat my piss bitch! |
| 04:34.48 | kjparker | if i remove gdm, which i just did, and install kdm, which i am doing now, should my system automagicaly use it? |
| 04:34.57 | Wyzard | kjparker: yes |
| 04:35.08 | kjparker | ok |
| 04:35.18 | kjparker | rebooting, back in a minute |
| 04:35.20 | kjparker | maybe... |
| 04:35.22 | kjparker | :) |
| 04:35.25 | Wyzard | kjparker: You don't need to reboot |
| 04:35.26 | maher | kjparker: you don't need to reboot |
| 04:35.40 | K_Dallas | windows attitude ;) |
| 04:35.48 | Guerin | mwilson: and heath: sick; viability: infertile; etc. |
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| 04:38.54 | glick | hey what IO schedular should i choose? |
| 04:38.54 | mwilson | Guerin: Uh, somehow I think propping up the *infertile* isn't doing much to degrade the gene pool. :) |
| 04:39.00 | glick | i can only choose one right? |
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| 04:39.20 | mwilson | glick: If you don't know, you shouldn't be choosing any at all. You should be, in fact, leaving things exactly alone. |
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| 04:39.47 | Guerin | mwilson: those who can't breed naturally, but can pass their genes on through; for example, in-vitro |
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| 04:40.17 | glick | mwilson, ooooh your cool |
| 04:40.18 | gary_ | hi all |
| 04:40.34 | kjparker | oops, sorry, yes i know i don't need to reboot, |
| 04:40.40 | kjparker | force of habit though |
| 04:40.42 | kjparker | :) |
| 04:40.57 | kjparker | after all i am a windows uswer |
| 04:41.11 | mwilson | glick: And you're dense. If you don't know what you think you should be changing it to, what leads you to think it needs to be changed at all? |
| 04:41.11 | gary_ | i wld like to know if anyone is runnin quicktime streaming server 4 on their debian box... i hav bn tryin to install it all nite and am at givin up point |
| 04:41.41 | glick | mwilson, im compiling the kernel, and there are three options to choose from, initially all three are selected |
| 04:41.50 | glick | to be compiled in |
| 04:42.00 | mwilson | glick: And that's a problem because...? |
| 04:42.01 | glick | i didnt think all three could/should be compiled into the kernel at the same time |
| 04:42.05 | glick | thats why im asking |
| 04:42.14 | glick | if i knew, i wouldnt be asking would I? |
| 04:43.16 | peterS | glick: if it offers to compile them all in, go ahead and do it. you'll never use the non-default ones, but it doesn't matter. they take up very little space |
| 04:43.21 | mwilson | glick: Obviously "could" isn't a problem, since you say they're all selected at the same time. |
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| 04:44.24 | glick | hmmm thanks |
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| 04:45.10 | kingsley | Can two ethernet cards share an IRQ? |
| 04:45.15 | peterS | glick: if you ever *do* want to experiment with the different I/O schedulers, I *think* you can select them per disk with 'elvtune'. not sure. |
| 04:45.21 | peterS | kingsley: usually yes |
| 04:45.31 | nagual | does anyone have a good howto/doc/faq for usb2 stuff? i usually find that on google, but the only thing i find is for 2.4.* |
| 04:45.41 | glick | i see |
| 04:45.47 | maher | nagual: it should just work in 2.6 |
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| 04:45.59 | nagual | maher: depends on what kernel you have :) |
| 04:46.08 | peterS | nagual: there's not much to know. load the 'ehci-hcd' kernel module and you can access USB2 devices. they look just like USB1 devices from linuxland, except presumably faster |
| 04:46.12 | maher | nagual: what is wrong |
| 04:46.16 | zu22 | peterS: hi |
| 04:46.21 | peterS | hey, zu22 |
| 04:46.36 | nagual | hm |
| 04:46.45 | nagual | supposedly im missing scsi etc modules |
| 04:46.50 | nagual | at least i didnt get it to wrok |
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| 04:46.56 | maher | nagual: is this a standard kernel? |
| 04:46.59 | nagual | hold on a sec, ill try that modules |
| 04:47.01 | nagual | maher: no. |
| 04:47.14 | maher | nagual: you could well be missing something then |
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| 04:47.27 | raf256 | wher can I find program unix2dos? |
| 04:47.35 | Wyzard | raf256: sysutils, IIRC |
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| 04:47.55 | Wyzard | raf256: That contains either dos2unix/unix2dos or todos/fromdos, but I don't remember which |
| 04:48.25 | K_Dallas | :) interesting, i asked the same question 2 hours ago :) |
| 04:48.39 | K_Dallas | it was in sysutil or something |
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| 04:49.34 | K_Dallas | sysutils actually |
| 04:49.57 | peterS | raf256: alias unix2dos="sed 's/$/\r/'" |
| 04:50.03 | Rodrigo_ | Is there Brazilian here? |
| 04:50.07 | K_Dallas | it has all of them |
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| 04:50.30 | kingsley | Why would eth1 appear in dmesg but not in ifconfig? |
| 04:50.34 | peterS | raf256: alias dos2unix="sed 's/\r$//'" |
| 04:50.39 | peterS | kingsley: ifconfig -a |
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| 04:50.50 | fazer | shingouz: Sup |
| 04:50.54 | peterS | kingsley: ifconfig without -a doesn't show interfaces that have not been "brought up" |
| 04:51.07 | shingouz | fazer: Not much. Busy, kinda |
| 04:51.11 | kingsley | peterS: For once, you're right again. :) |
| 04:51.12 | shingouz | fazer: You? |
| 04:51.16 | fazer | shingouz: ah, as you were. |
| 04:51.20 | kjparker | well that was fun |
| 04:51.25 | fazer | shingouz: same, I think my 600E is crapping out. |
| 04:51.33 | fazer | shingouz: I am thinking of getting an iBook or a Powerbook |
| 04:51.35 | shingouz | fazer: Huh? Bad? |
| 04:51.55 | peterS | kingsley: pretty common question, actually - lots of people are confused by that discrepancy |
| 04:51.56 | quokka | raf256: apt-get install flip |
| 04:51.57 | fazer | shingouz: yeah, the laptop is plugged into the adaptor, but it still says that my battery is low |
| 04:52.08 | quokka | raf256: it does the same thing |
| 04:52.26 | shingouz | fazer: Oh, that is the common 600 dead battery syndrome. New battery and you're all set to go again |
| 04:52.28 | fazer | shingouz: the light is blinking instead of showing a steady orange to indicate its charging, but it still says battery is low. It sucks. Perhaps I should reboot or something but I fear I am stuck with this. |
| 04:52.45 | shingouz | fazer: Just pull the battery and let it run |
| 04:52.58 | fazer | shingouz: but when I pull the adaptor, the laptop still runs just fine. |
| 04:53.04 | peterS | quokka: anything that can be emulated by 60 characters of shell doesn't deserve a package of its own |
| 04:53.15 | shingouz | fazer: Do a google on the Thinkpad 600 batteries, that is a common problem, well documented too |
| 04:53.35 | jorgp | how do I include additional dirs with debmirror to mirror? |
| 04:53.36 | fazer | shingouz: ah, yeah. there are other problems with it like a dead trackpoint and a loose LCD screen =/ |
| 04:53.41 | quokka | peterS: :) |
| 04:53.51 | shingouz | fazer: Out of the six cells in the pack the two middle ones go poof and make the pack dead |
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| 04:54.11 | paulswm | !br |
| 04:54.11 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:54.13 | jorgp | I am mirroring sarge, but I want to include the other dirs that are needed by debian-cd |
| 04:54.17 | paulswm | Rodrigo_: ^^ |
| 04:54.39 | shingouz | fazer: If you really plan on tossing the box, check if it has an MMC-1 cpu with more than 300MHz, I could sure use one for cheap ;) |
| 04:54.53 | fazer | shingouz: this is a 366 MHz =/ |
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| 04:55.38 | shingouz | fazer: Beats the 300. Now just the problem if it is an MMC-1 or MMC-2. They could be either flavor :( |
| 04:56.15 | fazer | shingouz: Not sure on that. |
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| 04:57.15 | shingouz | fazer: That is something that can be checked pretty easily through the IBM website but at this very moment you do not have a replacement laptop yet and I really need to get something typed up ;) |
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| 04:59.15 | fazer | shingouz: ah okay, as you were then. |
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| 04:59.38 | fazer | anyways, hwo do I make mplayer fullscreen? |
| 04:59.45 | maher | fazer: -zoom |
| 04:59.50 | KerPlunk | !imdb Bo |
| 04:59.51 | KerPlunk | er |
| 04:59.52 | llama32 | anyone know of docs or anything relating to riscos programming? |
| 04:59.53 | zahod | Results for Bo on imdb: |
| 04:59.55 | KerPlunk | !bo |
| 04:59.55 | dpkg | somebody said bo was Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 05:00.01 | KerPlunk | Why isn't bo from Toy Story? |
| 05:00.04 | KerPlunk | or is it? |
| 05:00.10 | maher | KerPlunk: Bo Peep |
| 05:00.16 | KerPlunk | Is there a boy character in toy story? |
| 05:00.19 | KerPlunk | bo* |
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| 05:00.38 | dabreegster | fazer: -fs |
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| 05:00.48 | Solet | when i drop to terminal from my multi head desktop my non terminal screen monitors all flicker funny colors, is there a way to prevent this? |
| 05:01.12 | fazer | dabreegster: ah thanks |
| 05:01.52 | shingouz | fazer: On the Thinkpad use neomagic as the X driver on Xfree 4.x and then -vo xv. Scales nicely |
| 05:02.01 | shingouz | afk.. |
| 05:02.09 | fazer | shingouz: oh, woah, awesome! thank you |
| 05:02.22 | shingouz | been there done it have the scars to prove it |
| 05:03.27 | fazer | haha really? |
| 05:03.32 | fazer | had a hard time to figure this out? |
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| 05:03.58 | fazer | shingouz: well, that gave me new hope for my thinkpad. |
| 05:04.08 | shingouz | :) |
| 05:07.36 | rob_lt | fazer, vlc is also known for being able to wring every ounce out of older hardware. |
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| 05:10.09 | fazer | rob_lt: i know, but I think mplayer is working better. |
| 05:10.14 | fazer | i am going to try it and see how it works from cds. |
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| 05:10.32 | rob_lt | fazer, cool... whatever works best is the best solution ;) |
| 05:10.40 | fazer | rob_lt: hehe i know, ;) |
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| 05:14.58 | War2 | Is there any channel specific to debian security related discussions,etc? |
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| 05:16.03 | Guerin | War2: there's a mailing list, or here. |
| 05:16.11 | War2 | Guerin: ah, thanks. |
| 05:17.00 | War2 | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/ |
| 05:17.01 | War2 | Thanks. |
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| 05:17.35 | guestish | hi |
| 05:18.05 | guestish | im trying to install the fglrx drivers for debian, but for some reason when i modprobe the module i get a No such Device error. the card is a X850XT PCI Express card |
| 05:18.49 | guestish | im wondering the pci express is causing issues |
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| 05:19.42 | _joey | yesterday, I heard on BBC that public schools in rural Kenya uses Debian distro on their pda with lecturing material downloaded from the internet |
| 05:20.00 | _joey | because they don't have the books |
| 05:20.11 | _joey | Debian rules! |
| 05:20.35 | guestish | i dont know what to do in order to get my card to be detected |
| 05:20.42 | guestish | is there a modprobe line or something? |
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| 05:21.13 | _joey | I have installed this driver |
| 05:21.21 | _joey | on 2.6.11.7 |
| 05:21.40 | guestish | im on sarge, kernel 2.6.8 |
| 05:21.43 | guestish | could it be the kernel? |
| 05:21.50 | _joey | did you patch it ? |
| 05:22.06 | _joey | there 's a separate patch for 2.6 in addition to the driver itself |
| 05:22.17 | guestish | _joey: where? |
| 05:22.44 | _joey | 8.12.10-2.6.11.7.patch |
| 05:22.49 | mwilson | hrm, no explanation from daniels. |
| 05:22.54 | _joey | it's in the topic on #ati channel |
| 05:23.09 | _joey | well, was in the topic |
| 05:23.09 | _joey | :) |
| 05:23.24 | _joey | if you want I could send it to you |
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| 05:24.26 | guestish | im using 2.6.8 |
| 05:24.33 | Solet | does anyone in here run a multi head system that can help me resolve a few annoying issues i'm having? |
| 05:24.54 | _joey | it's for 2.6.x |
| 05:25.01 | guestish | ok, send it |
| 05:25.04 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know if there's a FAQ or README for setting up eth1 between a debian on kernel 2.4.x and Windows XP box? |
| 05:25.21 | _joey | wait, no it's not |
| 05:25.29 | _joey | mine is for 2.6.11 |
| 05:25.37 | guestish | where did you get it? |
| 05:25.42 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to get my login to Yahoo.com to either stay freaking logged in or actually save my password? |
| 05:25.43 | _joey | ask the guys on #ati |
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| 05:25.46 | _joey | I can't remember |
| 05:25.58 | TwistedEmotions | It saves my password for every other site except yahoo.. |
| 05:26.07 | Guerin | kingsley: man interfaces |
| 05:26.15 | Guerin | kingsley: it's prety trivial. |
| 05:26.33 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: haha, you use yahoo, sucka. |
| 05:26.39 | Solet | twisted: its eating yahoo's cookies |
| 05:26.59 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I use their smtp servers... |
| 05:27.13 | Solet | yahoo has 1gb mail boxes now :) |
| 05:27.25 | Guerin | woop de doo |
| 05:27.30 | Guerin | i have a 4g mailbox |
| 05:27.40 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I have 2 gigs... good enough for me.. |
| 05:28.06 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Using 1%.. and thats probably like 5 megs rounded up.. |
| 05:28.17 | guestish | anyone know what package has the "fixed" font? |
| 05:28.23 | Guerin | !fixed |
| 05:28.24 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 05:28.26 | Solet | guerin: i have a 160 gig mail box if i flip a switch thats 4 inches from me... but why would i need one that big... thus the switch is 'off' |
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| 05:29.00 | Guerin | Solet: my point precisely. people who need a mailbox bigger than about 10mb are rare indeed. |
| 05:29.11 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: Ill buy the switch for a dollar. |
| 05:29.28 | Guerin | unless they deal in warez and pr0n by email, in which case I say again: sucka. |
| 05:29.29 | K_Dallas | Guerin, you kidding, right? |
| 05:29.37 | Guerin | K_Dallas: not at all. |
| 05:29.39 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: LoL.. then why were you bragging about ur 4Gig email? |
| 05:30.06 | K_Dallas | at work, my coworkers keep their emails from 4 years ago, nobody deletes :) |
| 05:30.08 | fazer | shingouz: you meant to say to use the xfree86 driver instead of the Xorg one, right?' |
| 05:30.15 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: lots of mail storage isn't something to brag about, nor is it particularly valuable or useful. |
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| 05:30.18 | fazer | shingouz: because I believe Xfree86 has better drivers or something? |
| 05:30.27 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Agreeeed. |
| 05:30.32 | Guerin | K_Dallas: yeah, me too. I have about 40MB, going back to about 2000 |
| 05:30.40 | K_Dallas | :) |
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| 05:30.50 | Guerin | K_Dallas: but honestly, i think people like that are a very small minority |
| 05:30.50 | Solet | TwistedEmotions: 1 dollar plus 50 dollars shipping and handling and its yours :P |
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| 05:31.03 | fazer | so what does debian come with? Xorg or Xfree86? |
| 05:31.10 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: LoL... where do you live Japan? |
| 05:31.14 | Guerin | fazer: topic |
| 05:31.17 | Solet | fazer: xf86 |
| 05:31.23 | meta_ | HOOOOOLAAA |
| 05:31.24 | K_Dallas | maybe but in the companies that i have been to, people are afraid to lose something so they keep all the emails just in case |
| 05:31.38 | Solet | TwistedEmotions: no kansas.... usa, just wanna make sure it doesnt get um damaged :P |
| 05:31.44 | fazer | oh |
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| 05:31.47 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: LoL.. |
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| 05:31.53 | Guerin | !lol |
| 05:31.53 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a LOLer. |
| 05:32.24 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: actually I said LoL.. |
| 05:32.25 | Solet | twisted, the switch is a fuckin light switch mounted to a milk crate lined with aluminum... i call it a mailserver :P |
| 05:32.27 | TwistedEmotions | but okay |
| 05:32.28 | guestish | =( |
| 05:32.32 | guestish | great... |
| 05:32.39 | Solet | i couldnt afford a case when i put it together |
| 05:32.42 | Solet | so i made one :P |
| 05:33.12 | meta_ | HOOOLaaa ALguna Argentina |
| 05:33.18 | Guerin | Solet: why line it? |
| 05:33.24 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: Hey... I home make half of the stuff I do to so why not.. |
| 05:33.25 | Guerin | !es |
| 05:33.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 05:34.37 | sk-away | Where can I find a list of dpkg configuration items? (Like if I want apt to pass --force-confmiss to dpkg using the -o option) |
| 05:34.50 | TwistedEmotions | solet: Once I ate beans... farted and called it Gas... of course that didnt save me on the freeway when my tank ran out.. |
| 05:34.57 | Guerin | sk-away: man apt-get |
| 05:35.20 | Guerin | sk-away: it is possible; but you shouldn't do that with apt, use dpkg. |
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| 05:35.33 | fazer | ls |
| 05:35.35 | Solet | TwistedEmotions: wtf |
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| 05:36.05 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: I dont know why I made that story up but I enjoyed it. |
| 05:36.18 | _joey | debian is zzee best |
| 05:37.23 | Solet | grrr.... why am i the only one who thinks the use of multi head systems is the only way to work on a computer? |
| 05:37.48 | sk-away | Guerin: Why wouldn't I want to do it with apt? If I don't have the package file, it seems easier |
| 05:38.03 | guestish | _joey, ill take that patch :) |
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| 05:38.25 | Guerin | sk-away: because the --force-* options are dangerous and shouldn't be used unless you really know what you're doing, which you clearly don't. |
| 05:38.54 | Solet | Guerin: ouch, no need to become offensive.... |
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| 05:39.12 | kujoe | anyone in here familiar with the aic7xxx driver hang? |
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| 05:40.19 | Guerin | Solet: i'm not being offensive; s/he asked how to do something which is documented in the manpage, which shows s/he a) doesn't know what he's doing and b) doesn't know how to find out. |
| 05:40.59 | kujoe | anyone in here familiar with the aic7xxx driver hang? |
| 05:41.03 | sk-away | Guerin: Well, actually I do. But conveniently I would like to (for example: apt-get install --reinstall <pkg> -o Dpkg::<Option>=true) which I assume is the same name, so -o Dpkg::Force-Confmiss. It's not further documented in the man page which I read well before asking |
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| 05:41.41 | Solet | guerin: i know this doesnt mean much coming from me because i still suck at using linux on an administrative level but... man pages are incredibly confusing |
| 05:42.16 | Solet | they have more explination than what is needed for each param, and not enough explination of the legal values for params |
| 05:42.17 | _joey | guestish www4.tpg.com.au/alexgne/8.12.10-2.6.11.7.patch |
| 05:42.25 | Guerin | sk-away: that -o option uses conf strings from the apt config file, as you've identified. |
| 05:43.16 | Solet | Guerin: man pages are basicly useless for visual leaners because they rarely have examples, and when they do, the examples arent documented at all |
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| 05:44.20 | Guerin | Solet: i know this, they're written by unix geeks for unix geeks, and the suck for most people. |
| 05:44.24 | sk-away | Guerin: Ok, that answers my question. The apt.conf man page has the syntax that I need to write one |
| 05:44.30 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 05:44.45 | Solet | guerin: why would unix geeks need them? |
| 05:45.22 | sk-away | Solet: Well, I'm new to Debian, but I've been using *nix for a reasonable amount of time |
| 05:45.35 | Guerin | Solet: because nobody can remember everything they might need to know? I think you'll find that unix geeks spend way more time reading manpages than newbies do. This is part of whay makes them unix geeks. |
| 05:45.48 | Solet | ROFL |
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| 05:46.05 | jim | when postgresql-contrib is installed, how can I see where the modules are? |
| 05:46.22 | jim | can I ask the bot |
| 05:46.32 | bucky | dpkg -L postgresql-contrib |
| 05:46.33 | dpkg | ii postgresql-contrib 3.5-3 bucky's private porn collection |
| 05:46.39 | Guerin | basically, dpkg's --force options can and will break your system if used incorrectly. I consider the ability to put their use together from a manpage the test of whether you should be doing it or not. |
| 05:46.54 | hooya | Gurin: i don't RTM, i RTFM ;) |
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| 05:47.22 | Guerin | RTGDMFM |
| 05:47.45 | hooya | wow. i don't quite go that far. |
| 05:47.57 | hooya | :) |
| 05:48.23 | hooya | zen eludes me, i guess. |
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| 05:48.35 | karsten | hooya: mu |
| 05:48.52 | hooya | karsten: mu? |
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| 05:49.02 | karsten | !mu hooya |
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| 05:49.20 | karsten | !tell hooya mu |
| 05:49.29 | karsten | Feh. |
| 05:49.32 | karsten | !tell hooya about mu |
| 05:49.39 | zeeeee | hi all, i hope this is a reasonable place to ask this... i know raid5 stripes files across disks, so this seems to have a large bandwidth potential (read/write to all disks at same time). but i read a lot of literature saying raid5 is slow (and usually that raid1 is the one to turn to for performance). why is this? |
| 05:49.41 | Solet | !tell hooya about mu maybe? |
| 05:49.52 | jim | zeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 05:49.59 | jim | hmm, that was fun |
| 05:50.00 | karsten | Solet: Somat like. |
| 05:50.15 | shingouz | Guerin: I'll go get some caffeine, should I get one for you too? ;) |
| 05:50.27 | Guerin | shingouz: why? |
| 05:50.30 | Solet | zeeeee: raid 0+1 = teh best... fast and it backs up |
| 05:50.36 | Guerin | if only you could, I mean. |
| 05:50.36 | karsten | zeeeee: RAID5 uses one disk out of the RAID set for parity. So any given write involves two operations. |
| 05:50.44 | shingouz | Guerin: Oooo.. just a thought... ;) |
| 05:50.54 | guestish | karsten, i thought it stripes the parity across multiple disks |
| 05:50.54 | Guerin | don't tease me so. I live in a country where coffee is not recognisable as such. |
| 05:50.59 | shingouz | I could maybe dcc it over |
| 05:51.00 | karsten | zeeeee: This slows down writes. However on reads, you've got 1/n odds of finding a contended head, so reads run faster. |
| 05:51.00 | hooya | karsten: went waaay over my head. to mu or ! to mu; has never been a question. |
| 05:51.03 | zeeeee | karsten: isn't calculating parity superfast? |
| 05:51.06 | Guerin | and worse |
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| 05:51.12 | karsten | guestish: Quite likely. |
| 05:51.16 | Solet | Guerin: where do you live? |
| 05:51.19 | dude | hi all is there way to selectve forward? |
| 05:51.22 | shingouz | Guerin: I do not drink coffee, tea is more like it |
| 05:51.28 | Guerin | i actually have a bag of really good lao coffee brought back from indochina... and nothing to make it in. |
| 05:51.36 | guestish | i gotta figure out my sound card |
| 05:51.37 | Guerin | Solet: man traceroute |
| 05:51.42 | guestish | this noiselessness is killing me |
| 05:51.53 | karsten | zeeeee: Calculating is probably fast, but the fact is you've got to move two sets of heads to write position, and write. |
| 05:51.56 | Solet | guerin lol |
| 05:52.01 | Guerin | shingouz: oh yeah, I could do tea. I'm not a big caffiene nut; haven't been since I stopped being a barista. |
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| 05:52.18 | Guerin | dude: explain. |
| 05:52.20 | Solet | i'm not on irc on my deb box tho :P |
| 05:52.22 | karsten | zeeeee: Most systems read far more than they write, so your net on RAID5 is _likley_ improved performance, overall. Though this can vary. |
| 05:53.00 | shingouz | Guerin: Hehe.. I guess that makes the caffeine a bit dull after a while. I'll go distill some tea, once it is about as black as the blackes coffee you've seen it is almost right for me. |
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| 05:53.18 | karsten | zeeeee: However, RAID5 isn't a performance measure, it's a redundancy measure. You can survive failure of any one disk in the RAID array w/o loss of data. You'll still have to bring the system down, however, to replace that disk. Unless you have hot-swap capabilities. RAID5 != backup. |
| 05:53.19 | Guerin | black and bitter with honey |
| 05:53.25 | Guerin | on second thoughts |
| 05:53.32 | Guerin | maybe I'll gin up a paper filter |
| 05:53.43 | Guerin | get this coffee going |
| 05:54.00 | shingouz | hehe.. hacked coffee :) |
| 05:54.01 | guestish | karsten: i was gonna do it, but then i learned my integrated raid is a crappy software thingy |
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| 05:54.07 | Solet | paperfilter :( fucks up the taste |
| 05:54.13 | Guerin | Solet: better idea? |
| 05:54.20 | dvsdude | hey help please can start kde if use nv driver have add nvidia-glx it loads with modrpobe and opengl-update but when i try to open kde i get unable to open display errors help please?? |
| 05:54.24 | Guerin | i could just make it turkish style |
| 05:54.27 | karsten | zeeeee: If you want performance, at the cost of reliability, go with RAID0 (stripeset). If you want full mirrors, RAID1. |
| 05:54.31 | Solet | just put the grounds in the bottom of the pot and heat it |
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| 05:54.35 | Guerin | but I kinda like to not have to chew it |
| 05:54.36 | Solet | camp style |
| 05:54.45 | Solet | just dont drink the last cup |
| 05:54.46 | zeeeee | karsten: hm, your mention of raid5's two-write operations lost me, but at least now i know what to google for... thanks! |
| 05:54.52 | karsten | zeeeee: In practice, you tend to see RAID5, 1, 0 and "10" (RAID1 applied to RAID0 volume). |
| 05:55.10 | Guerin | i spent too long making espresso to drink normal coffee; i'm spoilt. |
| 05:55.22 | karsten | zeeeee: As you might expect there's 2, 3, & 4, but they're rarely used. |
| 05:55.44 | Solet | you're gonna make espresso with a ghetto rigged paper filter? |
| 05:56.06 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: What is that !tell command where it tells me how to install limewire? |
| 05:56.15 | Guerin | dvsdude: do you mean the nvidia driver, or the nv driver? |
| 05:56.18 | Solet | !limewire |
| 05:56.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, limewire is the coolest graphical gnutella client for both windows and linux. see http://www.limewire.com! GPL! apt-get install limewire. |
| 05:56.27 | Guerin | god, why would you want lamewire |
| 05:56.40 | TwistedEmotions | oh.. didnt know they had a package for limewire.. |
| 05:56.40 | dvsdude | Guerin: no go nvidia or nv |
| 05:56.45 | Guerin | it's awful and it needs java |
| 05:56.48 | dvsdude | sorry ok nv |
| 05:56.51 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Just mp3's... |
| 05:56.55 | Guerin | dvsdude: use nv. What errors? |
| 05:57.03 | karsten | zeeeee: The basiic concept is this: more spindles & heads (physical disks) means you can get a read/write head to where it wants to be faster. So performance increases as n (number of disks) increases. |
| 05:57.04 | dvsdude | sorry no errors with nv |
| 05:57.08 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Is there something better... the only thing I want is mp3's.. |
| 05:57.17 | dvsdude | Guerin: only errors with nvidia |
| 05:57.25 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: mininova.org and bittorrent |
| 05:57.35 | karsten | zeeeee: ...but having to do multiple writes slows you down. Any RAID leve with parity costs you that. In practice, 2x write where n > 2 means a net win. |
| 05:57.45 | Guerin | dvsdude: ok, i know nothing about the nvidia driver; it was just unclear which you were using. |
| 05:57.50 | hooya | dvsdude: what kind of errors? |
| 05:57.59 | dvsdude | Guerin: cannot open display |
| 05:58.01 | Guerin | Solet: it ain't possible. |
| 05:58.05 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Bahh... no... I use azureus and filelist.org but for mp3's I perfer limewire.. |
| 05:58.23 | karsten | zeeeee: The other factor is reliability. Depends if you've got a chain (each link connects to only one neighbor, weakest link results in failure) or a braid (multiple simultaneous links). |
| 05:58.27 | dvsdude | hooya: cant open display |
| 05:58.28 | Solet | guerin: i coulda swore thats what you said you were gonna do |
| 05:58.35 | llama32 | what would be a good C/C++/Pascal/anything GUI API to copy in obj-c? |
| 05:58.45 | dvsdude | hooya: yet with nv driver no problems |
| 05:58.47 | Guerin | no, I said i might make a filter ... not an espresso machine |
| 05:58.52 | Guerin | they're quite different |
| 05:58.54 | hooya | dvsdude: have you installed nvidia-glx or some such? |
| 05:58.55 | zeeeee | karsten: gad dang, how do you know so much about this :P |
| 05:58.56 | karsten | zeeeee: With 0 redundancy (RAID0 a/k/a stripeset) your reliability goes *down* as you add disks. |
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| 05:59.02 | dvsdude | hooya: yes |
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| 05:59.05 | karsten | zeeeee: It's pretty basic knowledge, actually. |
| 05:59.08 | Solet | yes but you also said that you were too spoiled for coffee... |
| 05:59.15 | Solet | so i assumed you were aiming to make espresso |
| 05:59.18 | Guerin | which is why I never drink it any more |
| 05:59.28 | karsten | zeeeee: ...wheres if you have parity data (RAID5) reliability goes _up_. |
| 05:59.29 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: what the... there is no package for limewire... |
| 05:59.37 | Guerin | and why I've had a good bag of lao coffee going stale all this time |
| 05:59.41 | dvsdude | hooja: recomplied my kernel originally had gcc error with nvidia module |
| 05:59.45 | Guerin | !info limewire |
| 05:59.50 | Solet | TwistedEmotions: its for the better :P |
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| 05:59.57 | Guerin | hrm, right you are |
| 06:00.07 | Solet | w00t i was right for once |
| 06:00.14 | karsten | zeeeee: Stripeset reliability == 1/n (reliability decreases as you add disks). Parity reliability = n x reliability (increases for each disk). |
| 06:00.16 | TwistedEmotions | Haha... no one likes limewire here... hehe |
| 06:00.17 | dvsdude | hooja: did kernal complie then emerged nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel ran opengl update |
| 06:00.20 | hooya | dvsdude: i usually just use module-assistant to install nvidia and it works fine out of the box. |
| 06:00.33 | Guerin | dvsdude: from where did it emerge? |
| 06:00.39 | karsten | zeeeee: http://www.finitesystems.com/PRODUCT/raid/raidlevel.htm |
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| 06:00.59 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... why is there a !tell command tell you to run apt-get install limewire when there is no limewire package for debian? |
| 06:00.59 | dvsdude | Guerin: what u mean source?? |
| 06:01.03 | hooya | dvsdude: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 06:01.29 | Guerin | !emerge |
| 06:01.29 | dpkg | somebody said emerge was gentoo's package tool |
| 06:01.37 | karsten | zeeeee: Total cost/benefit is broken into speed, trnasfer rate, redundancy, and redundancy overhead. Generally in RAID5 you lose effectively one disk from the set for parity. |
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| 06:01.58 | Solet | TwistedEmotions: i'd imagine that at one point there was |
| 06:02.04 | karsten | zeeeee: ...many people configure arrays with a hot swap, so you're effectively down _two_ disks, but have increased reliability. |
| 06:02.31 | hooya | dvsdude: altho my GL FPS sucks balls. |
| 06:02.59 | hooya | never figured that one out. since i don't play games, it kinda was never high on the priority list. |
| 06:03.19 | dvsdude | hooya: soz gentoo not debian dam wrong channel |
| 06:03.35 | karsten | Guerin: FWIW, guestish was right. RAID5 == striped parity, so parity data cross all disks of the raidset. |
| 06:04.03 | fazer | shingouz: anyways, thanks for your help. |
| 06:04.04 | karsten | Guerin: ... RAID3 & 4 have a dedicated parity disk. |
| 06:04.10 | fazer | laters |
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| 06:06.49 | Solet | karsten: do you know why my other monitors flicker when i drop to terminal on my multi head system? |
| 06:07.10 | karsten | Solet: EMF / Magnetic interference? |
| 06:07.30 | Solet | :/ but they don if unplugged |
| 06:07.37 | Solet | s/don/don't |
| 06:07.44 | karsten | Solet: Your monitor's doing some heavy-duty mode switching between X and console. |
| 06:08.08 | karsten | Solet: Got a degauss controll? Hit that and watch your other monitors. |
| 06:08.13 | Solet | on a 3 head system when it drop to terminal it only shows the terminal on one screen and the other 2 monitors go berzerk |
| 06:08.34 | karsten | Solet: I've found monitors are highly susceptible to magnetic interference, have an electric fan I need to keep > 6' away. |
| 06:09.13 | karsten | Solet: NFC. |
| 06:09.29 | karsten | Solet: Don't back me into corners unless you're offering special favors. |
| 06:09.58 | Solet | ewwwww |
| 06:10.13 | Solet | wait... unless you're a chick |
| 06:10.16 | karsten | Solet: You're more than welcome to offer these through a proxy. |
| 06:10.24 | karsten | Solet: A damned ugly one. |
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| 06:10.36 | Solet | ??? |
| 06:10.49 | karsten | Solet: _If_ I'm a chick, I'm a damned ugly one. |
| 06:10.58 | Solet | oohhhhh |
| 06:11.07 | karsten | Solet: ...sporting 3 day stubble... |
| 06:11.36 | Solet | i was about to say "karsten is a self proclaimed damaged ugly chick; OMFG SOME ONE TURNED KARSTEN INTO A WINDOWS MACHINE!!!!" |
| 06:12.03 | karsten | Solet: OK, you lost me there. |
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| 06:12.42 | Solet | windows: turns a perfectly beautiful machine into a dykish piece of crap |
| 06:13.01 | karsten | Solet: And what's wrong with dykes? |
| 06:13.38 | Solet | it annoys me when chicks have better trimmed beards than me |
| 06:13.56 | karsten | ROFL |
| 06:14.12 | TwistedEmotions | Uhhh... installed limewire but any directory I picket sais "Limewire was unable to use specified order." |
| 06:14.20 | karsten | I can deal with the beards, it's their bike handling that kicks me in the nuts. |
| 06:14.32 | TwistedEmotions | *folder |
| 06:14.46 | TwistedEmotions | *picked |
| 06:15.06 | karsten | TwistedEmotions picked a peck of pickled folders? |
| 06:15.11 | Solet | TwistedEmotions: for a second i was thinking "omg limewire remapped his keyboard" but then i just assumed that you're drunk... after all you are installing lime wire :P |
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| 06:16.01 | TwistedEmotions | I'm not running it as root and also using folder /home/*username*/shared |
| 06:16.45 | Solet | is there a way to echo/clone my terminal screen on to every screen of my multi head system? |
| 06:17.00 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Solet: Errr.. pcikle pikc waht? |
| 06:17.11 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: hic. |
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| 06:17.28 | Solet | Karsten: he's drunk... |
| 06:17.32 | karsten | Solet: hic. |
| 06:17.37 | Solet | its the only explination |
| 06:17.41 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: and dumb too. |
| 06:17.43 | Solet | wtf!? |
| 06:17.49 | karsten | Solet: The question is, is he blonde? |
| 06:18.02 | karsten | Solet: ...and does he have a well-trimmed beard and a Harley. |
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| 06:18.17 | Solet | pfffft |
| 06:18.21 | karsten | Solet: *Dumb*, *drunk* and *blonde*. I'm *so* all over this. |
| 06:18.24 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Gotie.. and no Harley ;) |
| 06:18.44 | punsad_ | I've got a thinkpad running windows 2000 sp2... I want to set it up for dual boot - if I run sarge debian-installer, will it let me repartition my drives and install sarge, or should I partition the drive first. |
| 06:19.04 | karsten | punsad_: Yes and yes. |
| 06:19.14 | karsten | Solet: Canadian? |
| 06:19.41 | Solet | karsten: no, he just can spell goAtee |
| 06:19.53 | Solet | of course i think i mispelled it too |
| 06:20.00 | TwistedEmotions | *and |
| 06:20.02 | karsten | punsad_: IIRC the installer will offer to repartition, but I'd do it in advance as it's easier to back out of stuff. qparted in Knoppix, partition magic, ntfsresize. |
| 06:20.03 | TwistedEmotions | jesus.. |
| 06:20.07 | TwistedEmotions | getting worse. |
| 06:20.11 | karsten | Solet: Keep your goats out of my fantasy. |
| 06:20.23 | Solet | rofl |
| 06:20.30 | Solet | hrm... |
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| 06:20.34 | debian | TwistedEmotions: if you sleep here,you'd find yourself waking up with huge pain in ass. |
| 06:20.42 | Solet | microsoft OS on a think pad.... great oxymoron |
| 06:20.45 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... |
| 06:21.00 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Call me in the morning. |
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| 06:21.20 | punsad_ | karsten: thanks... the last time I partitioned my HD - it was a long time ago using FIPS.EXE... I'll try out the ones you suggested |
| 06:21.22 | TwistedEmotions | Just kidding.. |
| 06:21.40 | pipeline | does fips not exist anymore/ |
| 06:21.54 | karsten | pipeline: FIPS exists but is FAT32 only. |
| 06:22.07 | Solet | karsten: wtf 'sif |
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| 06:22.43 | punsad_ | karsten: yeah... the drive is NTFS, so I probably couldn't use it |
| 06:22.48 | karsten | punsad_: Quite. |
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| 06:23.57 | Solet | omg karsten: he's masturbating as the thought of us together |
| 06:24.00 | Solet | fuckin nasty |
| 06:24.04 | Solet | @lart TwistedEmotions |
| 06:24.07 | TwistedEmotions | hahahhaha |
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| 06:24.23 | karsten | Solet: must. stop. doing. that. |
| 06:24.52 | punsad_ | I've always been so against dual booting, especially for dektops/towers ... but I'm beginning to think that for laptops, it makes sense |
| 06:25.14 | cafuego | why dual boot when you can triple boot? |
| 06:25.19 | cafuego | (or quadruple?) |
| 06:26.19 | Solet | TwistedEmotions: put on a condom before you do that... |
| 06:27.04 | Solet | ok so we have a grammar nazi, a bolimic, a queer and myself currently active in channel... |
| 06:27.24 | karsten | Solet: ...all practicing safe chat. |
| 06:27.34 | karsten | Solet: ...and a band or rapidly departing others.... |
| 06:27.38 | karsten | s/or/of/ |
| 06:27.56 | karsten | Speaking of multiple boots.... |
| 06:28.05 | karsten | WTF won't my UML system see and mount swap? |
| 06:28.37 | Solet | why would you need more than a dual boot... who the fuck has more than 3 feet... |
| 06:29.01 | karsten | Solet: Well, modestry prevails. |
| 06:29.15 | mono_ | is there a way to quickly format my external hd? /dev/sda1 ? |
| 06:29.21 | TwistedEmotions | HAHAHAHHA... I get it 3 FEET! |
| 06:29.42 | karsten | mono_: mkfs.foo /dev/sda1 |
| 06:29.57 | karsten | mono_: ...for some value of foo: ext[23] reiserfs vfat ... |
| 06:29.59 | Guerin | well, i found a cool caulk-gun espresso machine hack on engadget |
| 06:30.10 | pipeline | mono_: I assure you that you want ext2 or ext3 |
| 06:30.16 | karsten | Guerin: That thing is *so* unnecessary. |
| 06:30.17 | Guerin | but my own coffee-making exploits are not going so well |
| 06:30.23 | Guerin | karsten: ? |
| 06:30.25 | karsten | Guerin: Stovetop all the way. |
| 06:30.25 | pipeline | mono_: e.g mke2fs -J /dev/sda1 |
| 06:30.38 | Solet | caulk gun espresso machine |
| 06:30.41 | Solet | thats fuckin cool |
| 06:30.42 | pipeline | Make coffee on a stove? |
| 06:30.48 | karsten | UML boot options: single ubd0=root1.img ubd2=swap.img mem=64M eth0=tuntap,tap0,192.168.0.200 ssl=pty con0=fd:1,fd:2 con1=port:9000 con=null root=/dev/ubd0 |
| 06:30.55 | Guerin | karsten: tell me where I can buy one in this little mountain burg of mine where coffee == premixed instant, milk powder and sugar + water |
| 06:31.05 | Guerin | http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000730027817/ |
| 06:31.05 | karsten | # mkswap /dev/udb/2 |
| 06:31.08 | karsten | /dev/udb/2: No such file or directory |
| 06:31.20 | TwistedEmotions | I just use warm water and make gargling noises and I put in nasty disolving coffee... |
| 06:31.29 | Solet | guerin: karsten was molesting me, and TwistedEmotions is a bolemic voyer |
| 06:31.38 | Guerin | none of this surprises me |
| 06:31.44 | karsten | Guerin: Well, I've been known to travel to Australia and cross-country with my own beans.... |
| 06:31.48 | jbmigel | mono_ will you ever be pluggin your external drive into windows? in which case you want vfat format |
| 06:31.50 | mono_ | pipeline, Bad journal options specified. |
| 06:31.59 | karsten | Guerin: Google: macchinetta |
| 06:32.12 | pipeline | mono_: Perhaps it's -j, not -J |
| 06:32.17 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Solet is dead... tell him to shutup.. |
| 06:32.20 | karsten | Guerin: These guys: http://fantes.com/espresso_stovetop.htm |
| 06:32.21 | pipeline | mono_: I could have sworn it was -J though |
| 06:32.28 | Guerin | oh, I know those machines well |
| 06:32.31 | karsten | Guerin: ...there's also an all-steel version (the standard is aluminum. |
| 06:32.37 | Guerin | I just don't have one and can't realistically make one |
| 06:32.47 | jbmigel | im surprised Solet isnt dead... figured he woulda fried himself hotpluggin pci cards by now |
| 06:32.51 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Death is no reason to quit a good conversation. |
| 06:33.11 | karsten | pipeline: Lowercase. -j. -J == various other options. |
| 06:33.14 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: ..and now to find a good conversation... |
| 06:33.27 | raghu | can anyone tell me best three mail servers for linux? |
| 06:33.31 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Keep drinking and grooming that goatee. |
| 06:33.37 | Guerin | raghu: postfix, exim, and none. |
| 06:33.41 | Guerin | in that order |
| 06:33.53 | raghu | Guerin: lol |
| 06:34.04 | TwistedEmotions | raghu: none is the best. |
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| 06:34.23 | jbmigel | hey if i own a domain and install postfix can i get email to me@mydomain.com without any external smtp support from my ISP? |
| 06:34.25 | karsten | Guerin: You need a relative who can buy and ship you one. |
| 06:34.32 | Guerin | jbmigel: absolutely |
| 06:34.38 | jbmigel | Guerin thats awesome |
| 06:34.43 | mono_ | pipeline, i think my external hd is corropt. how do i format it and fix it anyhow? |
| 06:34.49 | Guerin | karsten: i don't drink enought coffee to justify it, on account of being unable to get quality beans |
| 06:34.51 | karsten | jbmigel: You'll need to create an MX record and have your DNS servers provide that on request. |
| 06:34.53 | mono_ | pipeline, mke2fs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004) mke2fs: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size |
| 06:35.01 | Guerin | jbmigel: that's unix :) |
| 06:35.05 | karsten | Guerin: You need someone to ship you quality beans. |
| 06:35.14 | jbmigel | karsten MX record? |
| 06:35.15 | mono_ | pipeline, when i write lsusb i can see it there |
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| 06:35.21 | Solet | Guerin: i am so making that cappucino machine |
| 06:35.27 | Guerin | karsten: honestly... if it's not properly made espresso, I can live without it. |
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| 06:35.34 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Just ship yourself to a country that has both.. cheaper.. |
| 06:35.36 | karsten | Guerin: I find it hard to believe that so close to Java you can't get beans. |
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| 06:35.39 | mono_ | pipeline, also when i run cat /proc/scsi/usb-storage/0 i can see it |
| 06:35.52 | TwistedEmotions | Starbucks? |
| 06:35.53 | karsten | jbmigel: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO-7.html |
| 06:35.55 | Solet | where the fuck does he live? |
| 06:35.59 | Guerin | by which i mean, made with a real, pressure-driven italian espresso machine like what they have in cafes. |
| 06:36.02 | Allister_ | how do we execute exe files |
| 06:36.03 | karsten | Solet: Korea. |
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| 06:36.14 | karsten | Guerin: You _could_ grind up and roast some Koreans. |
| 06:36.14 | Solet | aha |
| 06:36.22 | karsten | Allister_: WINE. |
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| 06:36.26 | mono_ | how do i format a corrupt external hd? |
| 06:36.34 | karsten | Allister_: Where'd you get the EXE from? |
| 06:36.39 | karsten | mono_: How's it corrupt? |
| 06:36.48 | St0n3-C0l | is gnome 2.10 working from Experimental ? |
| 06:37.00 | Allister_ | The exe comes from Qbasic |
| 06:37.13 | TwistedEmotions | St0n3-C0l: Experiment with it.. report back. |
| 06:37.17 | mono_ | karsten, i don't know. when i try to run mke2fs -j /dev/sda1 mke2fs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004) mke2fs: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size |
| 06:37.23 | karsten | Allister_: EXE is a MSFT executable, not Linux. WINE can run some but not all Windows apps. |
| 06:37.27 | Solet | mono_: google ultimate boot disk, use those utils they are the best out there for fixing hd's and checking ram |
| 06:37.27 | St0n3-C0l | ahan |
| 06:37.31 | karsten | Allister_: You may need a VB runtime installed. |
| 06:37.38 | St0n3-C0l | so anyone using here or what ? |
| 06:37.39 | karsten | !tell Allister_ about wine |
| 06:38.11 | TwistedEmotions | Allister: Find the linux equivalent.. |
| 06:38.20 | Guerin | karsten: not the same. |
| 06:38.21 | karsten | !tell St0n3-C0l about pdo |
| 06:38.27 | raghu | TwistedEmotions: is there configuratio manual for none? |
| 06:38.39 | St0n3-C0l | lolz |
| 06:38.42 | karsten | Guerin: No, but it _does_ provide a certain level of satisfaction, and gets your blood pumping. |
| 06:38.44 | mono_ | Solet, it runs on windows |
| 06:38.47 | St0n3-C0l | i was already there :P |
| 06:38.48 | Guerin | raghu: yes. less /dev/null |
| 06:38.55 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: You can play poker with me any time you'd like. |
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| 06:39.04 | raghu | Guerin: lol |
| 06:39.10 | TwistedEmotions | raghu: Did you just ask that? |
| 06:39.12 | raghu | TwistedEmotions: URL |
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| 06:39.24 | raghu | Guerin: URL |
| 06:39.25 | TwistedEmotions | raghu: www.none.org |
| 06:39.45 | Allister_ | How do you run wine |
| 06:39.57 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: U play on pokerstars? |
| 06:39.59 | karsten | Allister_: 'wine <windows app> |
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| 06:40.52 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... I want to setup wine but too much work just to play on pokerstars.. |
| 06:40.56 | karsten | Allister_: 'aptitude install wine' may help. |
| 06:41.07 | karsten | Allister_: ...read what the bot told you about WINE. |
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| 06:41.21 | karsten | Solet: Last I heard he tended toward SuSE. |
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| 06:41.33 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 06:41.34 | lkthomas | I found a funny things on dhcpcd, no matter how I am going to release my ip, it will stay be the same as before the release, but when I am using windowsxp, before and after ip release is different story, why is it happen like that ? |
| 06:41.35 | karsten | Solet: ...the former president or CTO was a good friend of his. |
| 06:41.45 | St0n3-C0l | Solet: Slack? |
| 06:41.51 | TwistedEmotions | What distro is most used for servers? |
| 06:42.00 | TwistedEmotions | I mean MAJOR servers.. |
| 06:42.02 | St0n3-C0l | Debian & Redhat I think |
| 06:42.13 | Allister_ | So how do we get Quick Basic going in Debian |
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| 06:42.29 | karsten | lkthomas: You _can_ launch the dhclient to request a different lease IIRC. Otherwise it's pretty much up to the server. |
| 06:42.35 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Nobody knows. |
| 06:43.05 | lkthomas | karsten: I am using dhcpcd |
| 06:43.09 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Yahoo still runs FreeBSD AFAIK, Google's got its own thing going, Thunder (LLNL supercomputer) is I _think_ vaguely RH based. |
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| 06:43.12 | lkthomas | HOW could I request a different lease ? |
| 06:43.17 | karsten | lkthomas: RTFM. |
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| 06:43.34 | ApEtc | Allister_: Uhh, DOS emu perhaps? |
| 06:43.39 | TwistedEmotions | I didnt know yahoo used linux... |
| 06:43.54 | St0n3-C0l | He asked distros and I don't think FreeBSD is one distro of Linux |
| 06:43.55 | crackhead | I tried to do "apt-get install mail" and it says it could find package mail |
| 06:43.55 | TwistedEmotions | I figured they user Windows 2000 ENTERPRISE edition ;) |
| 06:43.57 | karsten | Allister_: is this a *windows* app or a *dos* app? dosemu _may_ work for you. |
| 06:44.03 | crackhead | ...anyone have any suggestions? |
| 06:44.04 | ApEtc | Allister_: dosbox might do it |
| 06:44.20 | karsten | St0n3-C0l: Well, Yahoo's one of the major players. |
| 06:44.24 | St0n3-C0l | Windows 2000 is far more stable than any other |
| 06:44.25 | warg0d | crackhead, apt-cache search mail |
| 06:44.31 | St0n3-C0l | karsten: eh |
| 06:44.31 | Guerin | it's practically impossible to figure out specifically what free software is most widely used, because there's no tracking of units |
| 06:44.44 | Allister_ | Okay thankyou all but where do we get a dos emulator for linux |
| 06:44.45 | TwistedEmotions | St0n3-C0l: True... but still gay. |
| 06:44.48 | lkthomas | karsten: there have a lease time, is that what I need to config ? |
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| 06:45.09 | St0n3-C0l | lol |
| 06:45.17 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: IIRC Alexa posted stats on webservers for F-100 and top 1000 websites. Much of the F-100 is IIS on WinXP/2K/2003. Much of the top 1000 webservers are *BSD or Linux. |
| 06:45.23 | St0n3-C0l | TwistedEmotions: I meant in windows side! |
| 06:45.33 | crackhead | warg0d : sweet...is there a similar command to see what's installed? |
| 06:45.36 | karsten | lkthomas: I'm not going to RTFM for you and read it story-time like for you. I don't know the answer. |
| 06:45.40 | karsten | lkthomas: RTFM. |
| 06:45.44 | TwistedEmotions | St0n3-C0l: so did I. |
| 06:45.50 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Good.. |
| 06:45.54 | lkthomas | karsten: you need to tell me which specific sectiion I need to take a look at |
| 06:46.05 | warg0d | try dpkg --get-selections |
| 06:46.10 | karsten | lkthomas: The FM part of it. |
| 06:46.20 | karsten | lkthomas: search for 'lease' might be a hint. |
| 06:46.22 | warg0d | and grep for package your looking for |
| 06:46.58 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ...Much corporate Linux use is still RH. I've seen Debian in some postings. Akamai's asking about it, a few shops around the SF Bay Area (where I'm at). |
| 06:47.22 | TwistedEmotions | Wow... everyone run apt-cache search ram |
| 06:47.29 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: And SuSE's used a lot in Linux-on-Power (mostly == Linux-on-mainframe) settings. Surprisingly popular in the banking sector. |
| 06:47.59 | karsten | crackhead: ^^ warg0d |
| 06:48.25 | karsten | Solet: More head is always good. |
| 06:48.44 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: 'ram' is going to find 'program' in any package description, or similar text. |
| 06:48.58 | Solet | ow |
| 06:48.59 | Solet | fuck |
| 06:49.01 | Solet | dont do that |
| 06:49.10 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: yeah figured that out too late. |
| 06:49.23 | karsten | Solet: Well, a code red head is almost as good as a redhead.... |
| 06:49.39 | Overand | is sarge 'frozen' yet? |
| 06:49.45 | karsten | !topicsmite Overand |
| 06:49.46 | Solet | brb need to find rubbing alcohol.... gotta clean a keyboard |
| 06:49.46 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Overand. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 06:49.48 | crackhead | karsten : what does ^^ mean? |
| 06:49.50 | Solet | LOOKA T THE FUCKIN TOPIC |
| 06:49.59 | Overand | heh |
| 06:50.00 | karsten | crackhead: Read up. Scrollback. |
| 06:50.02 | Overand | Solet: you're a happy guy |
| 06:50.04 | Solet | crackhead: LOOK UP |
| 06:50.10 | TwistedEmotions | Overand: take your CD out of the Freezer and see. |
| 06:50.15 | Overand | TwistedEmotions: heh |
| 06:50.26 | Overand | ah |
| 06:50.31 | Overand | the topic bar didn't show the stuff that far over |
| 06:50.34 | Overand | i had to /t to see it |
| 06:50.34 | Overand | heh |
| 06:51.04 | Solet | didnt they start freezing it like 3 weeks ago? |
| 06:51.04 | crackhead | Solet : the ceiling is dirty |
| 06:51.16 | Solet | crackhead: go sit in the corner with TwistedEmotions |
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| 06:52.16 | Guerin | well |
| 06:52.33 | Solet | the 18th is wednesday right? |
| 06:52.35 | dli_ | in vim, how to replace all white space with a newline? :%s/\s/<?>/ |
| 06:52.51 | Guerin | i managed to make a drinkable cup of coffee using a plastic cup with holes cut in, and decanting it several times to get rid of most of the sediment |
| 06:53.03 | karsten | dli_: s/[ <tab>]/^M/ |
| 06:53.13 | Guerin | and I can say that it worked, as I am now massively hyped on caffeine |
| 06:53.17 | karsten | dli_: Where <tab> == tabkey and ^M == ctrl-M |
| 06:53.31 | dli_ | karsten, thanks :) |
| 06:53.31 | TwistedEmotions | lol.. |
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| 06:53.37 | TwistedEmotions | !lol |
| 06:53.37 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. |
| 06:53.38 | karsten | Guerin: My college trick was ice-cream-coffee. |
| 06:53.43 | karsten | Guerin: ...grounds in vanilla, straight. |
| 06:53.45 | TwistedEmotions | haha... beat you to it. |
| 06:53.47 | Guerin | karsten: yeah |
| 06:53.52 | dli_ | karsten, \s is the same as [<tab>] ? |
| 06:54.03 | karsten | dli_: Dunno. |
| 06:54.15 | karsten | dli_: \t in C-style printf format. |
| 06:54.29 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Ghetto.... |
| 06:54.42 | karsten | dli_: \t seems to work. |
| 06:55.45 | dli_ | karsten: it doesn't do newline, just showing ^M |
| 06:55.54 | karsten | dli_: \n == newline. |
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| 06:55.57 | TwistedEmotions | later guys. |
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| 06:56.12 | lkthomas | karsten: hey, I did try to messing around with lease timer, nothing working so far |
| 06:56.14 | glick | excuse me is it better to compile everthing you need as modules or into the kernel? |
| 06:56.29 | karsten | lkthomas: :-( |
| 06:56.38 | dli_ | karsten, it shows only ^@ :( |
| 06:56.46 | karsten | lkthomas: I ran into a similar issue, I ended up requesting a static IP. Solved the problem. |
| 06:56.50 | dli_ | karsten, whatever, it won't do newline |
| 06:56.55 | karsten | dli_: Yeah, same here. I've not done that before. |
| 06:57.05 | karsten | dli_: s/<expr>/ |
| 06:57.08 | Solet | with xinerama do all screens need to be same res or just same depth.... |
| 06:57.09 | Guerin | Twisted_Away: ? |
| 06:57.13 | Guerin | gah |
| 06:57.17 | karsten | dli_: ... s/<expr>/^M/ *does* work for me. |
| 06:57.28 | dli_ | karsten, \s find white space |
| 06:57.37 | Guerin | glick: it's better to use a debian kernel |
| 06:57.38 | karsten | Solet: IIUC they can be different res. |
| 06:57.45 | lkthomas | karsten: I am now same as requesting static ip, nothing change even I release it, shit |
| 06:57.57 | lkthomas | karsten: but how come winxp could request a diff ip address ? |
| 06:58.09 | dli_ | karsten, anyway, I will write a C program to do this, the only thing I'm sure that would work for me |
| 06:58.10 | karsten | lkthomas: NFC. |
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| 06:58.35 | karsten | dli_: tr '[ \t]*' '\n' |
| 06:58.44 | lkthomas | karsten: what is NFC ? |
| 06:58.44 | karsten | dli_: ...not in vi but outside. Should work. |
| 06:58.48 | karsten | !nfc |
| 06:58.48 | dpkg | well, nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 06:58.52 | lkthomas | ok |
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| 06:59.18 | IDC | anyone use ssh ?is it possible to transfer files in ssh,or i have to use a tool for example fsftp ? |
| 06:59.26 | dli_ | karsten, sed -f 's/\s/\n/' ? |
| 06:59.31 | karsten | IDC: scp. Or cat. |
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| 06:59.42 | karsten | IDC: cat file | scp remotehost 'cat > newfile' |
| 06:59.46 | IDC | s/fsftp/psftp |
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| 07:00.09 | IDC | cat is an internal command in ssh ? |
| 07:00.09 | liable | !ops KahiN onjoin spambot |
| 07:00.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: KahiN onjoin spambot |
| 07:00.12 | karsten | dli_: Dunno, try it. sed's somewhat limited. Perl may be what you want here. I have *very* weak perl-fu. |
| 07:00.57 | IDC | hmm karsten i would use psftp ,i have tried it with 'put' command |
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| 07:01.22 | coywolf | !ops |
| 07:01.22 | dpkg | Please invoke '! ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 07:01.24 | IDC | but i havent figured out how to upload a folder including the files in it with 'put' command |
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| 07:01.27 | lkthomas | !ops KahiN onjoin spambot |
| 07:01.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: KahiN onjoin spambot |
| 07:01.30 | coywolf | !ops <KahiN> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 07:01.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: <KahiN> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 07:02.27 | Solet | coywolf: just what the ops need... turkish porn..... |
| 07:02.58 | Guerin | coywolf: they've been called already, just moments before you arrived |
| 07:03.30 | Guerin | IDC: just use scp... |
| 07:03.53 | IDC | hmm |
| 07:04.21 | IDC | im googling for using 'put' to upload a folder,tried * format,no luck |
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| 07:06.46 | karsten | !ops join spam from KahiN |
| 07:06.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: join spam from KahiN |
| 07:06.49 | jim | is there a way using the postgresql in testing to order row output so that it's a tree? |
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| 07:07.34 | liable | ops must be asleep, good time for trolling :) |
| 07:07.34 | aardvark | lilo: could you kline KahiN please ktnx? |
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| 07:08.55 | jim | troll a boil, or boil a troll? |
| 07:09.01 | Administration | huh ? |
| 07:10.00 | jim | since you ask... |
| 07:10.04 | liable | Administration: never mind, answer to a silly comment |
| 07:10.18 | karsten | jim: Not afaik. |
| 07:10.26 | Administration | DAMN |
| 07:10.29 | karsten | aardvark: lilo's asleep. |
| 07:10.39 | Administration | leaving |
| 07:10.42 | Administration | lame channel |
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| 07:10.57 | Vampier | I love the join spam |
| 07:10.59 | Vampier | :) |
| 07:11.04 | Vampier | how about |
| 07:11.05 | liable | who's lilo, freenode? |
| 07:11.10 | Vampier | people cylcing the channel |
| 07:11.17 | Vampier | lilo is the big guy on freenode |
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| 07:11.28 | streuner | Vampier: we already discuss this... |
| 07:11.36 | Vampier | I know |
| 07:11.36 | Vampier | :) |
| 07:12.04 | karsten | liable: He runs this place. |
| 07:12.15 | liable | karsten: roger. |
| 07:12.33 | jim | roger: liable |
| 07:12.43 | liable | pleased to meet you :) |
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| 07:12.58 | jim | hi. |
| 07:13.14 | liable | howdy |
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| 07:14.10 | jim | who maints postgresql-contrib? is he/she here/ |
| 07:14.21 | karsten | jim: apt-cache show ... |
| 07:14.34 | karsten | jim: ...and more likely in #d-d |
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| 07:16.36 | KerPlunk | !start a distro war |
| 07:16.36 | dpkg | Mandrake rocks! |
| 07:16.42 | kyensial_ | i tried to google this problem, but coulnt find out any solution, on mozilla-thunderbird, my mail got the following format (HH:MM) instead of (YY/MM/DD HH:MM), its changed after i set up my system time |
| 07:17.04 | kyensial_ | s/coulnt/could not |
| 07:17.49 | kyensial_ | any idea ? |
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| 07:18.19 | jim | Maintainer: Oliver Elphick <Oliver.Elphick@lfix.co.uk> |
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| 07:18.47 | karsten | jim: Mandriva. |
| 07:18.53 | karsten | jim: ...and isn't that redundant? |
| 07:19.05 | karsten | kyensial_: locale? |
| 07:19.08 | jim | I suppose :P |
| 07:19.15 | k-man | where to the ircops hang out on this server? |
| 07:19.23 | kyensial_ | karsten : what do you mean ? |
| 07:19.37 | karsten | kyensial_: Alternatively, read the changelog (/usr/share/doc/mozilla-thunderbird) or see if there's a time format selection in options. |
| 07:19.40 | jim | k-man #twilight-zone |
| 07:19.46 | karsten | kyensial_: man locale |
| 07:19.56 | karsten | k-man: #freenode |
| 07:20.01 | coywolf | any debian maintainers or developers here? |
| 07:20.17 | jim | umm |
| 07:20.22 | karsten | k-man: ...and they know about the join spam but everyone's asleep or vacationing in Italy. |
| 07:20.30 | k-man | oh |
| 07:20.30 | karsten | coywolf: Some. Not myself. |
| 07:20.31 | k-man | damn |
| 07:20.38 | k-man | thanks karsten |
| 07:20.48 | karsten | k-man: NP |
| 07:20.52 | coywolf | karsten, what are they? |
| 07:20.53 | k-man | :) |
| 07:21.08 | coywolf | karsten, i think non |
| 07:21.10 | karsten | coywolf: Incredibly advanced AI. |
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| 07:21.15 | Solet | with xinerama what determines which screen a window goes on to? |
| 07:21.32 | glick | excuse me, besides /etc/modules where else does the kernel look for module files to load? |
| 07:21.39 | karsten | Solet: Fate. |
| 07:21.44 | coywolf | any ops here are also debian maintainers or developers? |
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| 07:21.57 | karsten | glick: /etc/modutils/ |
| 07:22.03 | simonrvn | yes. dunno if they're AFK or not |
| 07:22.04 | jim | that would be chanserv and debhelper? |
| 07:22.08 | karsten | coywolf: #debian-devel. What's your issue? |
| 07:22.36 | karsten | coywolf: Considering it's wee-hours Saturday in most of the world, they may be passed out drunk. |
| 07:22.42 | karsten | coywolf: ...or in other words ... |
| 07:22.47 | karsten | coywolf: ... prime coding hours. |
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| 07:23.24 | simonrvn | or both, but not passed out |
| 07:23.25 | jim | a mushy statement: A plateau is a high form of flattery... |
| 07:23.25 | RvGaTe | Are there some pplz online with CUPS knowledge.... i want to share my printer, but i dont know how |
| 07:23.33 | simonrvn | *groan* |
| 07:23.38 | simonrvn | *groan*^2 |
| 07:23.41 | glick | my kernel is trying to load modules that are built in |
| 07:23.48 | karsten | RvGaTe: samba. |
| 07:23.48 | glick | so its giving me boot error messages |
| 07:23.52 | karsten | Solet: ?? |
| 07:23.54 | glick | like yenta_socket |
| 07:23.54 | reagent | RvGaTe: did you already try what the docs suggested? |
| 07:23.55 | coywolf | karsten, hm |
| 07:24.00 | liable | glick: ignore it |
| 07:24.05 | kyensial_ | I tried to do apt-get remove --purge mozilla-thunderbird, and when i re install its show me my b4 mails , how can I totally delete the package and all config files ? |
| 07:24.05 | karsten | simonrvn: ?? |
| 07:24.07 | glick | liable, i dont want to ignore |
| 07:24.13 | RvGaTe | reagent: the docs say its automaticly shared... but it aint |
| 07:24.18 | glick | i want to find out why the kernel is still looking for these |
| 07:24.19 | simonrvn | karsten: groaners |
| 07:24.21 | karsten | glick: pcmcia stuff. You got PCMCIA cards? |
| 07:24.30 | Guerin | glick: hotplug and/or discover |
| 07:24.32 | glick | karsten, yes |
| 07:24.36 | karsten | kyensial_: Your mail isn't config files. It's user data. |
| 07:24.43 | karsten | kyensial_: That's *NOT* deleted by the package. |
| 07:24.45 | Guerin | glick: but, realy - just ignore it] |
| 07:24.49 | Solet | karsten: thats what i thought... is it accually random or is the logic so skittish that it cant be followed |
| 07:24.50 | liable | glick: shut your eyes during boot, or remove them from /etc/modules |
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| 07:25.17 | kyensial_ | karsten : ah ok, and how can I delete it, to do reconfigure entierly like a new package ? |
| 07:25.21 | reagent | RvGaTe: Check the settings for browsing and check your hostnames. |
| 07:25.32 | liable | or make a bootsplash :) and look at the pretty pengion |
| 07:25.40 | simonrvn | 'penguin' |
| 07:25.41 | reagent | RvGaTe: You are sharing between unix boxes, right? |
| 07:25.42 | karsten | glick: your two options are generally: # PCIC=i82365 |
| 07:25.43 | glick | Guerin, discover? |
| 07:25.49 | karsten | glick: ...or PCIC=yenta_socket |
| 07:25.51 | RvGaTe | reagent: no |
| 07:25.55 | liable | I knew someone would correct me on that :) |
| 07:25.55 | karsten | glick: ... in /etc/default/pcmcia |
| 07:26.01 | simonrvn | liable: hehe |
| 07:26.06 | karsten | glick: /etc/init.d/pcmcia stop; /etc/init.d/pcmcia start |
| 07:26.14 | karsten | glick: ...should give you the output agains. |
| 07:26.16 | reagent | RvGaTe: Windows? There it shurely does not share automatically |
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| 07:26.27 | karsten | simonrvn: What're you doing with x86 HW? |
| 07:26.35 | RvGaTe | reagent: they should fix the docs then :P im going to install samba |
| 07:26.39 | simonrvn | karsten: thinking of flashing the bios on it |
| 07:26.47 | karsten | Solet: Um. You lost me. |
| 07:26.50 | simonrvn | ...to something more open |
| 07:26.59 | kyensial_ | karsten : could you tell me how to delete the user data on thunderbird ? |
| 07:27.05 | karsten | simonrvn: What you do in the privacy of your own home is your own affair. |
| 07:27.12 | karsten | simonrvn: Flash whatever you want. |
| 07:27.16 | simonrvn | kyensial_: mv ~/.thunderbird ~/.thunderbird.old |
| 07:27.17 | glick | karsten, nope that does not give me the output |
| 07:27.17 | rAz__ | kyensial_, go to the user home |
| 07:27.19 | glick | works like a charm' |
| 07:27.26 | rAz__ | kyensial_, there is a .thunderbird |
| 07:27.32 | simonrvn | karsten: hehe |
| 07:27.37 | rAz__ | kyensial_, indie it... there are the folders |
| 07:27.43 | rAz__ | inside* |
| 07:27.52 | reagent | RvGaTe: which version of windows are you using? |
| 07:27.54 | karsten | Solet: Ah. Window placement. Honestly, I'm not sure. In most WMs there's a "randomplacement" sort of routeine. Alternatively windows can be tiled or staggered. |
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| 07:28.03 | RvGaTe | reagent: XP pro |
| 07:28.07 | reagent | RvGaTe: i'd use IPP instead of samba if it's possible |
| 07:28.17 | simonrvn | for printer? yeh |
| 07:28.29 | liable | glick: if they are now built in, and you change your config, then when you boot the old kernel, they wont load, so, ignore it. |
| 07:28.48 | karsten | glick: Hrm. |
| 07:28.56 | karsten | RvGaTe: XP pr0n. |
| 07:29.15 | RvGaTe | karsten: not when you modify the l00ks :) |
| 07:29.40 | karsten | kyensial_: You delete your mail files with 'rm'. If you really want to. Me personally, I'd move it to my new mail folders. |
| 07:30.05 | qwertz | Hi! Just installed a new sarge system, running nmap shows that port 111 and 890 are open. netstat show that portmap and rpc.statd are listening on the ports, shut down portmap (Is it for NIS?) but haven't found a init script for rpc. So my question is what are both services for and how can I close (if I don't need it) the rpc? |
| 07:30.10 | karsten | RvGaTe: Um. You've lost me now too. |
| 07:30.40 | RvGaTe | reagent: Is there a manual/guide on how to set up IPP ? |
| 07:30.41 | karsten | qwertz: portmapper is for NFS. Remove if you're not running it client *or* server (needed for both). |
| 07:30.42 | glick | are you telling me i should ignore a non-perfect boot output? |
| 07:30.58 | reagent | RvGaTe: http://www.owlfish.com/thoughts/winipp-cups-2003-07-20.html and http://groups.northwestern.edu/exec/htmldocs/cups.html should give you the basics |
| 07:31.08 | kyensial_ | thx all, I ll try it |
| 07:31.18 | reagent | RvGaTe: if you have a DNS in your lan you don't have to care about that host-stuff |
| 07:31.32 | karsten | qwertz: port 890 stumps me. |
| 07:31.40 | liable | yes, its not none perfect, its generic, please just leave it alone. |
| 07:31.52 | glick | i think this kernel may be perfect! |
| 07:31.58 | glick | and on the first try! |
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| 07:32.01 | pipeline | qwertz: nfs-common starts statd |
| 07:32.03 | qwertz | karsten, thanks you're right shut down nfs-common |
| 07:32.11 | pipeline | qwertz: portmap is used for lots of things, most notably FAM |
| 07:32.34 | liable | glick: but your old or any debian kernels you install will fail to load if you start mucking with the modules files |
| 07:32.35 | reagent | RvGaTe: the edu link is wrong :) |
| 07:32.39 | pipeline | qwertz: If you use Gnome or KDE, you probably want portmap and FAM running. Portmap alone, without statd/lockd/nfsd/nfsiod, is not a security risk |
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| 07:32.44 | simonrvn | 890 is unassigned as per my services file |
| 07:32.55 | liable | fail too load certain modules |
| 07:33.01 | karsten | Solet: For WindowMaker, my window placement options are: "Smart", "Random", "Cascade", "Automatic", or "Manual". |
| 07:33.22 | RvGaTe | reagent ? |
| 07:33.28 | karsten | Solet: ...of which I've chosen "Smart". Basically a new window looks for an appropriately sized empty spot, or starts cascading if there are none. |
| 07:33.30 | simonrvn | cddbp 888/tcp |
| 07:33.30 | simonrvn | omginitialrefs 900/tcp |
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| 07:33.43 | qwertz | pipeline, thanks for the hints, the box will run as server so no need for X |
| 07:33.53 | reagent | RvGaTe: I basicly gave it because of that automatic driver download... read the other page and you'll be fine |
| 07:34.24 | acollins | any ops around? |
| 07:34.24 | reagent | RvGaTe: hm, the actually both are .edu :) that's the one you have to read: http://groups.northwestern.edu/exec/htmldocs/cups.html |
| 07:34.36 | karsten | Exim tidydb mail, how do I stop this: failed to open DB file /var/spool/exim/db/wait-remote_smtp: File exists |
| 07:34.36 | liable | acollins: no, all seem to asleep |
| 07:34.52 | karsten | acollins: !ops <msg> |
| 07:34.54 | simonrvn | with 21 april update too |
| 07:34.58 | karsten | acollins: ...and apparently not. Join spam? |
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| 07:35.11 | rAz__ | hello, i dont have sound on my user account.. i set the user @ audio group.. but doesnt work ( it work in root mode ) |
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| 07:35.35 | karsten | acollins: I've /msg'd #freenode staff, no results yet. |
| 07:35.37 | jim | rAz__: type: groups |
| 07:35.48 | simonrvn | rAz__: did you log out completely? |
| 07:35.52 | karsten | rAz__: Log off and back in. |
| 07:35.58 | IDC | hmm |
| 07:36.04 | rAz__ | mh na : ) i'll do it now |
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| 07:36.12 | acollins | i'll have to wait :-) |
| 07:36.13 | karsten | rAz__: You need to do that for group ownership to change. Or 'ssh localhost' and test w/o logout. |
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| 07:36.37 | IDC | can anyone tell me how to i upload a folder in psftp ,i googled for it,no luck |
| 07:36.44 | rAz__ | well :) thx i'll go test it |
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| 07:36.50 | Guerin | IDC: just use ftp |
| 07:36.54 | Guerin | err |
| 07:36.56 | Guerin | scp |
| 07:37.28 | IDC | Guerin, hmm |
| 07:37.33 | Guerin | i mean |
| 07:37.36 | jim | IDC: you could tar it up, compress it and upload the resulting file |
| 07:37.40 | Guerin | is there any reason why you wouldn't? |
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| 07:38.15 | rAz__ | it works m8 |
| 07:38.16 | IDC | jim, i cannot,i am on windows ssh to my debian server,i mean,how do i tar it |
| 07:38.17 | Guerin | tarring might be good if it's many small files, but typically unnecessary |
| 07:38.20 | rAz__ | thx karsten =) |
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| 07:38.58 | IDC | because my debian server isnt running any ftp server,so i cannot use some generic ftp client to do it |
| 07:39.00 | reagent | IDC: You can... here are the programs: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ |
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| 07:39.21 | IDC | reagent, i have putty and psftp handy |
| 07:39.22 | karsten | rAz__: NP. |
| 07:39.34 | IDC | but i can only upload file one by one in psftp to my debian server |
| 07:39.36 | jim | IDC: good point... I can understand if you don't want that all the time... |
| 07:40.08 | Guerin | IDC: your client is a windows machine/ |
| 07:40.08 | Guerin | ? |
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| 07:40.17 | IDC | Guerin, yes |
| 07:40.21 | Guerin | IDC: winscp |
| 07:40.29 | Guerin | IDC: there is no better alternative |
| 07:40.30 | IDC | let me check |
| 07:40.39 | karsten | IDC: You want lftp. |
| 07:40.41 | reagent | IDC: what about -r ? |
| 07:40.51 | pipeline | IDC: winscp |
| 07:40.54 | reagent | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.58 | karsten | IDC: Group actions, mirror, mput, mget, background. |
| 07:41.21 | karsten | IDC: ...or rsync if your server supports it. |
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| 07:41.46 | karsten | IDC: also most 'nix utilities are ported to 'Doze. Either individually or via toolkits such as Cygwin. |
| 07:41.49 | Fire | oh nice free pr0n pms in a linux channel |
| 07:41.51 | IDC | karsten, thanks,i am downloading winscp,i think it meets my interest :) |
| 07:42.00 | reagent | karsten: I didn't even know there was a windows version of lftp |
| 07:42.04 | karsten | Fire: We now. Ops are napping. |
| 07:42.16 | streuner | Fire: !ops <someone> is a on-join spambot |
| 07:42.23 | jim | rsync is a tad unwieldy... well at least for grabbing full mirrors of debian (which I don't do any more anyway) |
| 07:42.29 | karsten | reagent: I don't know that there _is_, but I suspect it's in Cygwin. |
| 07:42.30 | streuner | s/a/an/ |
| 07:42.38 | karsten | reagent: ...and a lot of WinFTP clients allow folder copying. |
| 07:42.44 | karsten | streuner: Ops are napping. |
| 07:42.51 | streuner | karsten: i know |
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| 07:42.55 | karsten | jim: 'tisn't. |
| 07:43.16 | reagent | karsten: Yeah, but I only know of a few which support the ssh ftp subsystem |
| 07:43.23 | jim | was for me |
| 07:43.31 | jim | maybe it's different now... |
| 07:43.43 | karsten | reagent: strewth. |
| 07:43.45 | pipeline | reagent: SFTP only provides the illusion of FTP to the end user. The protocol is totally different. |
| 07:43.47 | jim | maybe it was how debian was organized before |
| 07:43.48 | Fire | gentoo? |
| 07:43.50 | karsten | jim: ...or maybe it's just you. |
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| 07:44.00 | reagent | pipeline: I know |
| 07:44.04 | pipeline | reagent: SFTP isn't FTP over SSH. It's SCP + SSH with the appearance of FTP. |
| 07:44.08 | glick | whats the file system type on usb sticks? |
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| 07:44.25 | karsten | jim: apt-proxy, frex, uses rsync transfer by default w/ backends. |
| 07:44.34 | karsten | glick: usually vfat / FAT32. |
| 07:44.47 | elPepo | is somebody using MonoDevelop in Sarge? |
| 07:44.47 | karsten | glick: file /dev/sd<foo> |
| 07:44.53 | jim | karsten: tried mirroring a debian mirror? very difficult to get what you want |
| 07:44.58 | reagent | pipeline: I know how it works... I didn't use the proper term, sorry |
| 07:45.14 | jim | I imagine it might be that way, rsync or other transfer method |
| 07:45.25 | karsten | jim: Talk to simonrvn IIRC. |
| 07:45.31 | karsten | jim: ...and no, I don't mirror mirrors. Not w/ 56k dialup. |
| 07:45.37 | jim | about mirroring? |
| 07:45.42 | simonrvn | not here. can't see |
| 07:45.49 | glick | karsten, i just get this.../dev/sda: block special (8/0) |
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| 07:46.13 | ircdevil | !ops [KahiN(~GeCeKuSuO@85.99.25.42)] http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 07:46.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [KahiN(~GeCeKuSuO@85.99.25.42)] http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 07:46.14 | karsten | glick: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 07:46.46 | ircdevil | free porn for the ops :o) |
| 07:46.49 | jim | I have more bw than that, but I don't really want to mirror... I'm just recalling how hard it was for me to get the pieces I wanted |
| 07:46.49 | karsten | jim: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 07:46.51 | glick | says the disk doesnt contain a valid partition table |
| 07:46.51 | streuner | ircdevil: thank you |
| 07:47.08 | karsten | ircdevil: We know. Ops sleeping. |
| 07:47.14 | streuner | !smite ircdevil |
| 07:47.28 | ircdevil | !op streuner |
| 07:47.41 | liable | no, dont |
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| 07:47.48 | ircdevil | heh |
| 07:47.53 | karsten | jim: IME best local mirror is seeded w/ a full install disk then incrementally updated on demand. Much more sensible use of BW. |
| 07:48.06 | karsten | jim: ...and so long as you don't plan to be authoritative, it works well. |
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| 07:48.47 | jim | used to have that intent (well, relatively authoritative in the sense I was maintaining a mirror of debian for a school) |
| 07:48.54 | yaboo | when compiling a device driver, but theres no install where exactly would I put the driver in, and how will the kernel know its there |
| 07:49.07 | karsten | jim: apt-cache show apt-proxy |
| 07:49.20 | karsten | jim: If you're just serving what your downstream needs, it's a very nice configuration. |
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| 07:49.34 | jim | how do you mean full install disk? |
| 07:49.47 | karsten | jim: I've got 4-8 boxes running off of one, mostly serves well. Good use of limited bandwidth. |
| 07:49.49 | jim | meaniing enough to install base at least? |
| 07:49.59 | liable | yaboo: read the readme, or makefile, should go in right place after a small edit perhaps |
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| 07:50.05 | karsten | jim: jigdo to create an initial full install set from a location w/ good bw. |
| 07:50.34 | jim | then you can move the jigdo stuff you got elsewhere and update later? |
| 07:50.39 | yaboo | liable, no readme other than how to compile it |
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| 07:50.42 | karsten | jim: Sure. It's nice, but not necessary. Truth is most packages change _relatively_ rarely, so that will keep you in stead. Also apt-proxy ages stuff out that's not touched. Default 60 days. So you'll lose it. |
| 07:50.48 | karsten | jim: apt-proxy-import |
| 07:50.51 | yaboo | liable, there is no make install |
| 07:51.03 | karsten | jim: Point it at a pile of DEBs. They're stashed in the apt-proxy tree. |
| 07:51.18 | karsten | jim: I did that here to seed my cache with my systems' local DEB chaches. |
| 07:51.22 | liable | yaboo: well, how do you compile it? What is it? |
| 07:51.59 | karsten | jim: What apt-proxy does is ensure that the stuff that you're touching reasonably frequently _is_ in cache. At worst, it's fetched once. |
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| 07:52.23 | yaboo | liable, make makes the prism54usb driver |
| 07:52.23 | karsten | jim: ...of course, if you're doing fresh stable installs every 60 days or less, you'll have a good collection of base DEBs too. |
| 07:52.47 | Gloprp | Is there a version of Debian that uses 2.4.24 or less? |
| 07:52.59 | jim | Gloprp: woody |
| 07:53.10 | jim | (but not much less) |
| 07:53.12 | karsten | jim: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#how |
| 07:53.25 | Gloprp | jim: Where can I get that? |
| 07:53.25 | liable | well, I guess copy it over to your /lib/modules/version, then I think update-modules, but I'm not sure about that. Never had to do it |
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| 07:53.31 | karsten | jim: "Anonymous rsync You can use this script to mirror the archive. Follow the directions in the script to set up mirroring." |
| 07:53.52 | jim | yes, and that was precisely how I tried to do it :) |
| 07:53.53 | liable | yaboo: /lib/modules/version/extra |
| 07:54.05 | karsten | jim: Heh. OK. |
| 07:54.40 | yaboo | liable, ok try that |
| 07:54.48 | jim | see, I wanted one dist, and of that, "all" and "i386" and nothing else |
| 07:54.55 | Gloprp | Where can I download woody? |
| 07:55.04 | Guerin | Gloprp: debian.org |
| 07:55.05 | liable | yaboo: google, theres goota be a howto out there for it |
| 07:55.06 | jim | that's the latest stable |
| 07:55.27 | Gloprp | All woody uses 2.4.24 or less? |
| 07:55.40 | jim | well put it this way... |
| 07:55.41 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:55.54 | Guerin | 2.4.18 was the stable 2.4 kernel when it was released |
| 07:55.55 | karsten | !tell Gloprp about di |
| 07:55.55 | jim | it can't use 2.6 without some effort |
| 07:56.03 | karsten | Gloprp: Suggest you do a sarge netinst. |
| 07:56.12 | Guerin | why do you need suc an old kernel? |
| 07:56.33 | jim | sarge can use 2.4 also |
| 07:56.42 | Gloprp | Because of hardware issues. |
| 07:56.43 | Guerin | 2.4.27 is not less than 2.4.24 |
| 07:57.04 | jim | sarge has newer stuff than woody |
| 07:57.07 | karsten | Guerin: It is for small values of 27... |
| 07:57.10 | elPepo | firends... |
| 07:57.16 | karsten | Guerin: ...or large values of 24. |
| 07:57.20 | Guerin | karsten: arguably |
| 07:57.24 | karsten | elPepo: Romans! Contrymen! |
| 07:57.34 | Gloprp | So, what should I do?> |
| 07:57.37 | elPepo | how do I use something like apt-cache search but only in my installed packages ? |
| 07:57.40 | karsten | Guerin: That's what we're here for.... |
| 07:57.41 | jim | firends are really hot |
| 07:57.41 | Guerin | Gloprp: install woody |
| 07:57.42 | helo | is 2.4.30 dangerous at all? |
| 07:57.45 | karsten | Gloprp: Panic. |
| 07:58.07 | karsten | elPepo: dpkg-awk Perhaps? |
| 07:58.19 | karsten | helo: Only when doused in gasoline. |
| 07:58.19 | helo | don't panic? |
| 07:58.31 | liable | elPepo: dpkg -l? |
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| 07:58.49 | karsten | elPepo: What specifically do you want to know? |
| 07:58.56 | jim | helo: that would be a time to run from any sparky stuff |
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| 07:59.21 | jim | things could get really hot for ya otherwise :) |
| 07:59.45 | elPepo | Im trying to search a package just like "apt-cache search" but not in the repositories, only in my computer |
| 07:59.46 | Gloprp | I don't see anything about woody |
| 07:59.47 | Gloprp | :( |
| 08:00.06 | Gloprp | Does Knoppix use it? |
| 08:00.11 | jim | elPepo: you could look at your status file |
| 08:00.28 | glick | hey im trying to mount a usb stick |
| 08:00.32 | glick | but i keep getting this |
| 08:00.34 | glick | voyager:/mnt# mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/hd |
| 08:00.34 | glick | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 08:00.34 | glick | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.53 | karsten | elPepo: dpgk --get-selections | grep '<tab>install' |
| 08:00.57 | jim | glick: usb sticks are much much too small for mounting! |
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| 08:01.13 | liable | glick: look at dmesg, maybe sdb1 |
| 08:01.24 | karsten | elPepo: ...will show your installed packages. dpkg-awk can search your packages by field, so you could have "status: installed" as a search criterion. |
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| 08:01.31 | glick | nah dmesg says its sda and sda1 |
| 08:01.36 | karsten | jim: Not if you use feathers. |
| 08:01.43 | elPepo | tnx |
| 08:01.58 | jim | hadn't considered that |
| 08:02.15 | jim | glick: is the stick formatted |
| 08:02.18 | simonrvn | sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/adb bs=2 count=1 # if ever you're on a linuxed mac ppc and you need to reset the adb bus (older mac) |
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| 08:02.24 | karsten | elPepo: Again, what are you looking for? |
| 08:02.31 | karsten | jim: You're fixated on that stick. |
| 08:02.40 | jim | glick: try mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 08:02.42 | glick | jim, yes, i used it on a win machine 2 weeks ago |
| 08:02.47 | glick | its got pics on it |
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| 08:02.51 | jim | I'm stixated on the fix |
| 08:02.55 | elPepo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.57 | simonrvn | (adb bus has mouse and kbd and stuff if you don't use usb) |
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| 08:03.26 | glick | jim, says i must specify filesystem |
| 08:03.35 | jim | ok, is it formatted? |
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| 08:03.59 | karsten | elPepo: Eg: I want to find every installed package described as a "browser": dpkg-awk 'Status: installed' 'Description: browser' -- Package |
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| 08:04.15 | liable | glick: not already mounted? You using gnome? |
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| 08:04.24 | jim | you can format sticks as arbitrary partn types, right? |
| 08:04.33 | glick | no im using kde |
| 08:04.38 | karsten | elPepo: ...restricts to (left side of '--') Status: installed and Decription: browser, and prints (right side of --) package name. |
| 08:04.56 | TbbW | lol what do the topic of the chan mean with "SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up" ?? :P |
| 08:04.57 | Guerin | jim: man mount |
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| 08:05.04 | karsten | jim: I think so, but portability to lesser OSs becomes problematic. |
| 08:05.19 | jim | like can I format a stick as xfs or ext2 or like that |
| 08:05.27 | karsten | jim: There's also the question of r/w cycles, generally they're rated for ~10k, so a non-syncing FS might be preferable. |
| 08:05.47 | jim | karsten: what's the most likely format for it |
| 08:05.48 | Guerin | TbbW: sarge's security support is in place, the distribution has frozen and won't change except for bugfixes, and it should release soon. |
| 08:06.07 | karsten | jim: Yes. Suggest you read IIRC SVLUG or BALUG mailing list of past two weeks for a longish discussion of pros/cons. |
| 08:06.18 | mortal | is it too late to file a bug for sarge? |
| 08:06.23 | jim | are you a member of either? |
| 08:06.27 | Guerin | mortal: never too late. |
| 08:06.29 | karsten | jim: vfat. |
| 08:06.40 | mortal | it doesn't boot on my hppa, doesn't have the correct scsi driver compiled in |
| 08:06.40 | nevyn | sigh. hardware sucks. |
| 08:06.41 | elPepo | tnx |
| 08:06.43 | jim | mortal: not at all... go for it |
| 08:06.43 | karsten | mortal: No. |
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| 08:06.56 | karsten | jim: Yes. Membership requirements are notably lax. |
| 08:06.56 | jim | mortal: especially if you have a fix :) |
| 08:06.59 | Guerin | mortal: that's not necessarily a bug, but a kernel issue. |
| 08:07.02 | karsten | jim: Also BAD FWIW. |
| 08:07.03 | mortal | yeah |
| 08:07.08 | karsten | jim: You're East Bay? |
| 08:07.12 | jim | yep |
| 08:07.14 | blujay | I've been digging through man and info and google, but to no avail. I'm trying to simply use tar and pipe its output, and I want to use "--exclude-from=" in tar to exclude some files, but tar keeps making a file named "--exclude-from=tar.exclude.list", instead of *using* that list to exclude files. The command I'm using is 'tar cf --exclude-from=tar.exclude.list first | 7za a -si first.tar.7z'. The name of the directory to tar i |
| 08:07.15 | blujay | s "first". What am I doing wrong? |
| 08:07.15 | mortal | but last time I checked there was a debian gnu+linux :) |
| 08:07.16 | Guerin | mortal: which driver do you need, and it it even IN linux? |
| 08:07.21 | karsten | jim: Dig. |
| 08:07.24 | mortal | well, it is a linux issueD |
| 08:07.32 | glick | damn what am i missing |
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| 08:07.55 | jim | karsten: you over here too? |
| 08:08.22 | inu | blujay, you probably don't want the f |
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| 08:08.51 | karsten | blujay: tar cf - -X <exclude-file> <source> | <output process> |
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| 08:09.03 | karsten | jim: Napa. |
| 08:09.15 | jim | my cousin lives there |
| 08:09.28 | Twisted_Away | is the normal grub package grub legacy or grub 2? |
| 08:09.33 | simonrvn | nevyn: yup, it sometimes does (h/w sucking) |
| 08:09.56 | nevyn | mod_userdir.c:341: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault when compiling apache2 |
| 08:10.09 | TbbW | Guerin: ok :) ty for the respons ^^ |
| 08:10.09 | blujay | inu, thanks, but that still didn't work |
| 08:10.10 | mortal | Guerin: and it is a 712/60 hppa on which I use debian |
| 08:10.13 | TwistedEmotions | like apt-get install grub... is that grub legacy or grub2? |
| 08:10.26 | karsten | jim: What's he do? |
| 08:10.41 | jim | electrical work |
| 08:10.52 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: you live in Napa? |
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| 08:11.00 | liable | glick: try -o user,umask=000 |
| 08:11.01 | Wyzard | !ops KahiN on-join spam |
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| 08:11.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: KahiN on-join spam |
| 08:11.03 | blujay | karsten: thanks...but that doesn't seem to be working either...but I have a question that I can't find the answer to anywhere...what is the " - " for in there in "cf - -X"? I can't find the answer anywhere and it's driving me nuts. |
| 08:11.39 | inu | blujay, man tar .. /-f |
| 08:11.42 | Drag_Sid | nevyn: sometimes compiler errors like that are caused by bad ram module, but I don't know for sure in your case |
| 08:11.44 | TwistedEmotions | I live in bay area too ;) Good job california.. we own ;) |
| 08:11.53 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Why do you ask? We got a date? |
| 08:12.05 | nevyn | Drag_Sid: it's hardware somewhere. |
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| 08:12.16 | karsten | blujay: '-f -' == create file to stdout. |
| 08:12.30 | blujay | inu, karsten, thanks...geez...I looked and looked for a "-" option, but I couldn't find it :) |
| 08:12.36 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: If your female... sane... and legal, possible. I've already been used by you once... I dont trust you anymore. |
| 08:12.47 | Drag_Sid | nevyn: I like to run memtest86 on my computers.. those usually find memory errors if you let it run for a few hours |
| 08:13.07 | karsten | blujay: tar's a tad strange. You can add options _after_ specifying the outfile. |
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| 08:13.17 | jim | TwistedEmotions: Twisted! |
| 08:13.21 | lkthomas | hey all, anyone are advance on lynx browser ? |
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| 08:13.30 | blujay | karsten: indeed...I wish command line formats were more standard |
| 08:13.37 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: As I told Solet, I make an ugly chick w/ 3 day stubble. |
| 08:13.40 | TwistedEmotions | jim; Jim! |
| 08:13.46 | glick | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.49 | valdyn | nevyn: this error can show too if your system is just overheated, memtest would show nothing then. |
| 08:13.50 | inetd | <KahiN> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos ??? |
| 08:13.55 | glick | not with mounting permissions |
| 08:14.00 | karsten | jim: TwistedEmotions: Get a room! |
| 08:14.08 | jim | well that wasn't my original meaning... |
| 08:14.11 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
| 08:14.14 | lkthomas | is there have any program could deal with simple http post, get, cookies storing...etc ? |
| 08:14.14 | liable | glick: modprobe vfat, or lsmod to see whats loaded |
| 08:14.15 | nevyn | valdyn: I'm pretty sure it's not a heat problem.. althoo.... |
| 08:14.18 | karsten | jim: He's drunk, take full advantage. |
| 08:14.32 | glick | liable, vfat is compiled into the kern |
| 08:14.44 | karsten | bbiaf, rebooting gw, new kernel.... |
| 08:14.52 | TwistedEmotions | You guys want to make a single file line... it seems I have a fan club. |
| 08:15.03 | simonrvn | inetd: you didn't need to post the spam here too. read /topic |
| 08:15.27 | jim | why single files when you can have a directory ful? |
| 08:15.42 | TwistedEmotions | jim: You know if apt-get install grub installs GRUB2 or Grub Legacy? |
| 08:15.59 | jim | I would imagine original grub |
| 08:16.05 | jim | but not sure |
| 08:16.05 | simonrvn | and i'm coming down from a doobie. nice one too |
| 08:16.11 | TwistedEmotions | Which is... |
| 08:16.17 | jim | there might be a grub2 |
| 08:16.36 | jim | !info grub2 |
| 08:16.43 | dpkg | grub2: (The next generation of GNU GRUB [EXPERIMENTAL]), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.6+20050203-2 (sid), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 480 kB |
| 08:17.02 | jim | so grub is grub1 |
| 08:17.08 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh... so grub legacy is normal version.. |
| 08:17.19 | jim | yes, looks that way |
| 08:17.34 | jim | grub2 any good? |
| 08:17.54 | lkthomas | does anyone know how to use http post on lynx ? |
| 08:17.55 | jim | you -could- (forexample) build it yourself' |
| 08:18.00 | liable | glick: ahhh, the perfect kernel, did you compile both fat modules in? does it work with your debian kernel? |
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| 08:18.12 | TwistedEmotions | jim: Dont know... havent installed it... will install if newer version of GRUB doesnt fix my problem. |
| 08:18.28 | RvGaTe | I am getting sooo sick of channels that dont reply at all on your question !!! :@ :( |
| 08:18.51 | jim | who didn't reply to my question??!!! |
| 08:18.56 | glick | liable, what do you mean both fat modules? |
| 08:19.05 | liable | RvGaTe: maybe no one knows :( |
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| 08:19.19 | RvGaTe | liable: i doubt that |
| 08:19.22 | liable | glick: yah, did it work with the old kernel |
| 08:19.33 | glick | liable, no it didnt |
| 08:19.38 | huli | !OPS KahiN on join spammer |
| 08:19.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: KahiN on join spammer |
| 08:19.41 | blujay | I need another bit of help. While I'm piping tar's binary output to 7z, I want to capture tar's verbose file-by-file output to a log file. Using a format like 'tar cf - -v | 7z ...', where can I put a ' > tar.log'? I've tried putting it on the end, but it doesn't capture anything and just makes an empty "tar.log" file. |
| 08:19.42 | TwistedEmotions | jim: I will build it myself ... gimme a second to install the normal grub version. |
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| 08:20.15 | jim | you mean grub2? |
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| 08:20.28 | valdyn | blujay: 2>file.log |
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| 08:20.55 | blujay | valdyn: thank you! |
| 08:21.17 | liable | glick: looks like somethings fucked up with the stick maybe, dunno. No idea |
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| 08:23.27 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
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| 08:23.37 | Drag_Sid | so how did the grub thing work out |
| 08:23.46 | simonrvn | fucking crappy floppies |
| 08:23.52 | TwistedEmotions | Is that how you report spam? /umode +E <user>? |
| 08:24.04 | TwistedEmotions | Drag_Sid: No... |
| 08:24.11 | simonrvn | another one bites the dust... |
| 08:24.27 | jim | !ops Sat May 14 08:22:45 UTC 2005: KahiN!GeCeKuSuO@85.99.25.42 onjoin spam |
| 08:24.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Sat May 14 08:22:45 UTC 2005: KahiN!GeCeKuSuO@85.99.25.42 onjoin spam |
| 08:24.37 | TwistedEmotions | scared to install grug2... afraid I'll mess it up and won't be able to boot ip |
| 08:25.08 | Drag_Sid | TwistedEmotions: you know how to boot up with a live cd and use chroot to recover, right? |
| 08:25.47 | TwistedEmotions | Boot with live CD..yes. chroot to recover... no. |
| 08:25.56 | glick | could it be that windows used ntfs on my usb stick? |
| 08:26.08 | simonrvn | glick: possible. or fat |
| 08:26.24 | TwistedEmotions | glick: What version of Windows do you run..? |
| 08:26.40 | glick | xp |
| 08:26.41 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:27.01 | TwistedEmotions | I mounted my NTFS drive.. |
| 08:27.20 | npx | There are FS drivers for ext2 that allow writing |
| 08:27.20 | TwistedEmotions | brb... gonna try GRUB 2... |
| 08:27.26 | Drag_Sid | TwistedEmotions: oh, ok |
| 08:27.29 | npx | (on win nt) |
| 08:27.54 | npx | err |
| 08:27.57 | npx | too much weed, sorry. |
| 08:28.03 | TwistedEmotions | Drag_Sid: Thanks for caring :) If I'm not back in 15 minutes... errr... shit |
| 08:28.14 | Drag_Sid | before you go. I'll tell you about chroot |
| 08:28.23 | Drag_Sid | chroot is a command to 'change root'. |
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| 08:28.37 | Drag_Sid | so if you can't boot up, you boot up with a live cd or a floppy or something |
| 08:28.50 | Drag_Sid | mount your root partition to a directory |
| 08:28.59 | liable | glick: reformat it. Possibly corrupted. |
| 08:29.08 | Drag_Sid | then mount your proc to the proc directory on your harddrive's root |
| 08:29.12 | Drag_Sid | like: |
| 08:29.21 | Drag_Sid | mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc |
| 08:29.26 | Drag_Sid | then you go: |
| 08:29.33 | Drag_Sid | chroot /mnt /bin/bash |
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| 08:29.55 | Drag_Sid | and that will give you a bash shell that runs as if your booted up in your harddrive |
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| 08:30.09 | TwistedEmotions | good deal. |
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| 08:30.18 | Drag_Sid | look up old directions on how to install Gentoo. That is what they do to get started with the bootstrap stuff |
| 08:30.32 | TwistedEmotions | Drag_Sid: thanks.. |
| 08:30.45 | Drag_Sid | hope it works out. |
| 08:30.52 | Anders1 | chroot owns |
| 08:31.09 | TwistedEmotions | hope I dont have to use it ;) |
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| 08:31.51 | blujay | Ok, another question. I want to exclude any directories named "cache" from tar. So foo/cache/ and bar/cache/, both of them. Can I do this with a tar exclude list with a wildcard in it (I tried and it didn't work so far), or do I need to write a script to make a list of all the directories named "cache"? |
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| 08:33.03 | TwistedEmotions | haha... I now know why there is no Grub2... it's not even packaged for use... |
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| 08:34.49 | Drag_Sid | TwistedEmotions: what was your original problem anyways? |
| 08:35.07 | zamolxes | soo, anyone know of a zip version that can create files larger than 2GB ? and tar doesn't help, because it doesn't index files the way zip does and I need individual file access :) thanks |
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| 08:35.36 | blujay | zamolxes: what version of gzip did you try? |
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| 08:35.46 | valdyn | blujay: --exclude="*cache" doesn't work? |
| 08:35.46 | TwistedEmotions | Sais "GRUB Loading stage1.5 |
| 08:35.46 | TwistedEmotions | GRUB loading, please wait..." takes like 30+ seconds to load... |
| 08:35.49 | simonrvn | zamolxes: index as in spit out a list of contents? |
| 08:36.16 | blujay | valdyn: I only want to exclude the directory if it's called 'cache', not, for example, 'foocache' |
| 08:36.23 | zamolxes | simonrvn: no, it does have that. i mean random access to a file, not sequential |
| 08:36.27 | valdyn | blujay: --exclude="*/cache" doesn't work? |
| 08:36.29 | Drag_Sid | TwistedEmotions: It just takes a long time to bootup? |
| 08:36.37 | zamolxes | blujay: i said zip. gzip doesn't do directories |
| 08:36.38 | Drag_Sid | er get grub to load |
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| 08:36.47 | blujay | valdyn: I tried '/*/cache/'...maybe I should have left off that leading /...thanks, I'll try that |
| 08:36.56 | blujay | zamolxes: ok...you might try p7zip |
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| 08:37.06 | blujay | zamolxes: I don't know if it does larger than 2GB, but I suspect it might |
| 08:37.08 | simonrvn | zamolxes: that works too. specify a pattern after the tarball name. e.g. tar zxf foo.tar.gz '*bazball' |
| 08:37.13 | harleyg | someone ban KahiN - <KahiN> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 08:37.58 | zamolxes | simonrvn: well in my tests, it seems the file is seeked throughout the tar , which is not good. zip files have position indexes aparently |
| 08:38.02 | TwistedEmotions | Drag_Sid: yeah... but it's annoying as hell... on every boot sit there and count to 30 alligator |
| 08:38.18 | simonrvn | zamolxes: yeh it can be slow when very large |
| 08:38.29 | blujay | zamolxes: here's the latest version of p7zip if you want to try it: http://adn.diwi.org/debian/p7zip/p7zip_4.18-1_i386.deb |
| 08:38.40 | simonrvn | harleyg: you did not need to paste the spam here too. /topic |
| 08:38.51 | Drag_Sid | TwistedEmotions: Maybe it's just a grub being misconfigured... Do you get the menu were you can select the different boot entries? There is a timer on that, or is this happenning even before it gets to the grub menu? |
| 08:39.21 | harleyg | simonrvn: yeh but i didnt expect to get shit spammed at me when i join, he needs to be stopped ;_ |
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| 08:39.29 | Drag_Sid | ## timeout sec |
| 08:39.29 | Drag_Sid | # Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the default entry |
| 08:39.29 | Drag_Sid | # (normally the first entry defined). |
| 08:39.29 | Drag_Sid | timeout 5 |
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| 08:39.31 | incorrect | which is better tinc or openvpn? |
| 08:39.32 | simonrvn | yes, see /topic |
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| 08:40.02 | liable | harleyg: there asleep, we know, hopefully will get kicked soon, but no need to post the link |
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| 08:40.26 | Drag_Sid | oops.. |
| 08:40.26 | harleyg | ok sorry |
| 08:40.27 | TwistedEmotions | Drag_Sid: You goofball... #flood.. |
| 08:40.34 | Drag_Sid | hehe |
| 08:40.36 | TwistedEmotions | Drag_Sid: After Bios. (Guessing: After Stage 1.5 - Whatever that is..) Before menu. |
| 08:40.59 | zamolxes | blujay: thanks, i think i'll create a deb with a new version from zip |
| 08:41.02 | liable | karsten_: only cause you have dial up :) |
| 08:41.13 | blujay | zamolxes: good idea :) |
| 08:41.20 | blujay | valdyn: using "*/cache/" in the filelist didn't work...".evolution/mail/pop/blahblah/cache/blah" still got tarred |
| 08:41.22 | zamolxes | simonrvn: well extracting a 15kb file from a 4GB zip archive can be troublesome in a tar file |
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| 08:41.36 | simonrvn | zamolxes: i understand |
| 08:41.37 | Drag_Sid | TwistedEmotions: Maybe just try Lilo instead. :) |
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| 08:41.56 | karsten | liable: No, actually, I had to reboot gateway, new kernel. |
| 08:42.01 | liable | TwistedEmotions: have you tried re-installing grub? |
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| 08:42.09 | karsten | liable: ...and naturally, GRUB wasn't properly installed. |
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| 08:42.19 | liable | karsten: oh, ok. |
| 08:42.36 | TwistedEmotions | http://channels.debian.net/paste/138 |
| 08:42.40 | TwistedEmotions | ^^ menu.lst |
| 08:42.45 | karsten | May 12 15:27:49 localhost kernel: hda: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 08:42.59 | karsten | Damn it, that's the drive I just swapped _in_. |
| 08:43.13 | TwistedEmotions | liable: you mean apt-get remove grub apt-get install grub? |
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| 08:43.28 | simonrvn | karsten: :( |
| 08:43.59 | liable | TwistedEmotions: no, from rescue cd, run 'grub', knoppix is easy if you have it. |
| 08:44.09 | TwistedEmotions | Drag_Sid: Cant figure out how to setup.. dont really feel like reading man... just cause I have windows drives to mount so dont want to spend a hour reading it.. |
| 08:44.35 | blujay | valdyn: I think I found it...so far, "*/cache/*" seems to be working |
| 08:45.02 | TwistedEmotions | liable: Would a debian net install CD work? |
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| 08:46.31 | TwistedEmotions | downloading sarge-ia64-netinst.iso 12-May-2005 23:46 |
| 08:46.42 | liable | TwistedEmotions: yes, (but maybe someone can confirm, only done it with disk 1) |
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| 08:47.09 | TwistedEmotions | wait is p4 ia64 or m68k? |
| 08:47.19 | TwistedEmotions | ia64... right? |
| 08:47.19 | Drag_Sid | maybe try running grub-install... Not sure. I am out of ideas. Maybe it's a weird bios issue or something like that. |
| 08:47.34 | streuner_ | Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect |
| 08:47.35 | TwistedEmotions | Drag_Sid: tried that already... |
| 08:47.54 | karsten | Anyone here know S.M.A.R.T. / smartmontools well? I've got a device that claims not to support self-test, though it *is* SMART-enabled. |
| 08:47.55 | streuner_ | Does someone get the same? |
| 08:48.31 | cainiao | i am new here,but how to see the posted msg? |
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| 08:49.02 | TwistedEmotions | Drag_Sid: also dont think it's a BIOS issue just because when I didnt have grub installed booted fast & normal to windows. Note: As fast & normal as windows could be anyways. |
| 08:49.09 | liable | cainiao: you mean topic? /topic |
| 08:49.12 | Drag_Sid | ia64 == Itanium, I beleive |
| 08:49.28 | TwistedEmotions | what is command to check chipset? |
| 08:49.37 | streuner_ | lspci |
| 08:49.58 | Drag_Sid | weird |
| 08:50.00 | TwistedEmotions | no CPU chipset |
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| 08:50.11 | Drag_Sid | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:50.52 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ia32 |
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| 08:51.25 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: there is no ia32... U mean 64? |
| 08:51.37 | blujay | Quick question: If I understand correctly, you can't extract a single file from a compressed tar file without decompressing the whole tar file, right? |
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| 08:51.54 | Drag_Sid | ia64 is for itaniums.. weird high end intel chips. probably not what you want. |
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| 08:52.01 | Drag_Sid | m86k is like old macs and such |
| 08:52.02 | blujay | TwistedEmotions: IA-32 is just x86 |
| 08:52.04 | jerub | KahiN: is autogreeting with a pornsite. |
| 08:52.21 | TwistedEmotions | i386/ ia64/ m68k/ are the three normal options.. |
| 08:52.25 | Drag_Sid | i386 |
| 08:52.34 | luulis | blujay: you can actually, look at tar info/man page how to do it or use some frontend |
| 08:52.35 | jerub | but apart from that, I'm looking for some way to check the integrity of installed packages on a system. |
| 08:52.35 | streuner_ | !ops KahiN is an on-join spambot |
| 08:52.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: KahiN is an on-join spambot |
| 08:52.43 | blujay | luulis: ok thanks |
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| 08:53.02 | TwistedEmotions | damn... already downloaded 120 megs of ia64... |
| 08:53.03 | remote | hey, could I install an old version of bash through apt-get ? |
| 08:53.13 | mortal | everything is possible |
| 08:53.17 | TwistedEmotions | How do you check kernel version? |
| 08:53.22 | Drag_Sid | uname -a |
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| 08:53.38 | giupy | hi all |
| 08:53.43 | TwistedEmotions | i686 |
| 08:53.46 | jerub | TwistedEmotions: uname -a |
| 08:53.46 | sunbin | hi all |
| 08:54.07 | TwistedEmotions | thats my chipset |
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| 08:54.14 | Drag_Sid | it's just a revision of i386 |
| 08:54.41 | remote | mortal: is it possible, by only typing one command, on my system ? |
| 08:54.59 | TwistedEmotions | kk.. downloading i386 version now... |
| 08:55.00 | Drag_Sid | i386 = old PCs, i486 = next gen, i586 = pentium1's, i686 = like pentium2's and pros and anything newer, including most 32bit AMD cpus |
| 08:55.10 | sunbin | my debian desktop disappear,how to solve it |
| 08:55.12 | liable | TwistedEmotions: of what? |
| 08:55.15 | Drag_Sid | they are backwards compatable |
| 08:55.22 | TwistedEmotions | liable: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050512/ |
| 08:55.51 | liable | TwistedEmotions: to fix grub? get knoppix, or rescuecd.org |
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| 08:56.09 | goron | How can I close a TWM window besides using Delete and Kill? |
| 08:56.09 | Drag_Sid | ya. Knoppix is good for rescue sort of thing. |
| 08:56.10 | liable | TwistedEmotions: the net install one should work though |
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| 08:56.27 | Drag_Sid | sunbin: what do you mean dissapeer? what happens? |
| 08:56.38 | BaneTheLost | o.o |
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| 08:56.42 | TwistedEmotions | liable: figured get net install just in case I screw something up and need to reinstall completely because I cant figure out whats wrong |
| 08:56.43 | BaneTheLost | penis |
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| 08:57.19 | giupy | when i try run pppoeconf i recive after 2 tests this msg: Sorry,i scanned 1 interface but the access concentrator of your provider did not respond.another reason of the scan failure may also be another running ppoe process wich controls the modem. i have a modem adsl router eth and wireless that is used via eth by a pc (this) running xp, what must i do ? |
| 08:57.24 | TwistedEmotions | brb. |
| 08:58.08 | sunbin | the subject on the desktop dissapear |
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| 08:58.23 | aeromax | hi |
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| 08:58.58 | giupy | must i configure some scripts first running pppoerconf ? |
| 08:59.15 | aeromax | anyone here know how i setup my nic card to give internet out via the wireless |
| 08:59.42 | simonrvn | giupy: pppoeconf. just run it |
| 08:59.46 | bip | run adsl-stup giupy |
| 08:59.53 | bip | adsl-setup |
| 09:00.11 | liable | geez, whats the linux rescue cd homepage, having a brain fart. |
| 09:00.11 | giupy | bip i try |
| 09:00.16 | simonrvn | pppoeconf is the "debian way" |
| 09:00.16 | bip | but check that your dls modem is uset as bridge |
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| 09:00.31 | giupy | bip i don't have that command |
| 09:00.38 | bip | ok ... |
| 09:00.51 | giupy | bip it's a minimal instal system |
| 09:00.51 | blujay | luulis: according to the info page: "As for the `tar' and `gzip' tandem, you need to decompress the archive to see its contents. However, this may be done without needing disk space, by using pipes internally..." But if I'm piping tar to a different compression program, not gzip or bzip2, one that tar doesn't natively support...would that work? |
| 09:00.53 | bip | well i handle adls from my gatway |
| 09:00.57 | simonrvn | giupy: do pidof pppd. do you get numbers? |
| 09:01.03 | Drag_Sid | aeromax: try setting up a 'ethernet bridge' between the twisted wire network and the wireless network. that's what I do. it's not very secure though... |
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| 09:01.17 | liable | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 09:01.19 | simonrvn | giupy: and is this the machine that has the dsl hooked up to it? |
| 09:01.26 | giupy | simonrvn nothing |
| 09:01.27 | bip | adsl so i dont know how a debian box will exactly handle it |
| 09:01.42 | dondelelcaro | NB ALL: If there's a spambot, and no response from an op, feel free to ask for a IRCOP in #freenode to fix the problem |
| 09:01.49 | bip | but to get the ppoe dialer to work from pc |
| 09:01.54 | simonrvn | cool, thanks |
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| 09:02.00 | Drag_Sid | sunbin: What do you mean by 'subject', I don't follow you. The window? The screen goes blank? (there are other language channels if that would help) |
| 09:02.02 | liable | dondelelcaro: karsten tried that too |
| 09:02.04 | bip | you need to be sure your modem is set as bridge Gil_ |
| 09:02.13 | bip | you need to be sure your modem is set as bridge Giu |
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| 09:02.23 | giupy | simonrvn this is the pc with xp connected to adsl router modem via eth |
| 09:02.26 | bip | you need to be sure your modem is set as bridge giupy |
| 09:02.27 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: ohnoz, that new xbox? |
| 09:02.37 | giupy | bip how can i know it ? |
| 09:02.46 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: nah, old one... but it's a relatively new game |
| 09:03.01 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: ah ok, heh |
| 09:03.02 | bip | does you modem have a web interface to configure it giupy ? |
| 09:03.28 | bip | it should, read well the modem docs and check modem producer web site giupy |
| 09:03.35 | giupy | bip ah yeah.... |
| 09:03.44 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, none of them are realistic enough for me yet |
| 09:03.51 | karsten | Does ntp-simple allow one to serve ntp? |
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| 09:04.03 | dondelelcaro | karsten: if you allow it, yes. |
| 09:04.11 | dondelelcaro | karsten: it's really just ntpd with a simple configuration |
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| 09:04.25 | karsten | OK. |
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| 09:04.39 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: yeh, at least it's not a real car :) |
| 09:04.43 | karsten | I've got a fistful of systems here none of which has the same time. |
| 09:04.47 | luulis | blujay: if you have a tar gzip archive and you wanted to extract one file from it, you could do tar xzf file.tar.gz pathtofile/file and it would just extract the file you wanted.. |
| 09:04.51 | simonrvn | ntpd dude |
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| 09:05.15 | fortran01 | any ECS mobo recommendations for amd 64-bit? |
| 09:05.20 | simonrvn | set one up as master ntpd on your LAN, then point the clients on your LAN to it |
| 09:05.36 | karsten | simonrvn: Good plan. |
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| 09:05.38 | blujay | luulis: yeah, but I'm not using gzip, I'm using p7zip |
| 09:05.48 | blujay | luulis: I need the better compression so I can fit it on a single CD |
| 09:05.50 | karsten | simonrvn: How do I specify the master? I get "no host suitable" when querying. |
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| 09:06.05 | sunbin | Drag_Sid,thank you ! |
| 09:06.16 | simonrvn | the "master" is the one that gets time from say pool.ntp.org, and the rest fetch it from your "master" |
| 09:06.31 | simonrvn | found a good one |
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| 09:06.53 | karsten | simonrvn: Eg: # ntpdate -v superego |
| 09:06.56 | karsten | 14 May 02:05:57 ntpdate[8387]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 09:07.27 | simonrvn | is it running? you blocking 123 UDP? |
| 09:07.29 | luulis | blujay: well dont know about that, it has nothing to do with tar |
| 09:07.35 | aeromax | Drag_Sid, how do i setup a bridge like that |
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| 09:08.03 | joris_ | I'm looking for a very fast failover routing protocol... any hints? Should I try to tweak ospf? |
| 09:08.05 | simonrvn | and is it listening on that iface? |
| 09:08.13 | blujay | luulis: well it's not natively integrated into it like gzip or bzip2, but it works fine when you pipe to it :) |
| 09:08.28 | sunbin | i mean the icons on the desktop disappear,just now i see it |
| 09:08.30 | karsten | simonrvn: This is internal LAN. |
| 09:08.47 | simonrvn | karsten: yeh, i figured that =) |
| 09:08.56 | blujay | karsten: can only one machine on the LAN access the Net? |
| 09:09.31 | simonrvn | ntpd on start up will show what it's listening on in syslog |
| 09:09.45 | karsten | blujay: No, multiple can. But they aren't talking to nameservers either. My FW rules are modestly fscked. |
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| 09:10.07 | simonrvn | i'd fix them first ;) |
| 09:10.07 | aeromax | anyone know how to setup an ethernet bridge? |
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| 09:10.17 | blujay | karsten: oh. Well, you might check on chrony. I don't know if it would solve your particular problem, but it's great, better than running the ntp progs, I think. |
| 09:10.37 | karsten | simonrvn: What's an iptables rule to accept ntp? |
| 09:10.39 | Drag_Sid | aeromax, it's not to difficult, but more then I can go into here. See here: http://www.linuxsecurity.com/docs/harden-doc/html/securing-debian-howto/ap-bridge-fw.en.html otherwise google around on how to setup linux bridges and routers and such. |
| 09:11.39 | Drag_Sid | other ways to setup bridges include making a good router with good secure firewall and stuff. |
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| 09:11.49 | luulis | blujay: 7z like zip doesnt need tar so its pointless to use tar with it. They can archive files internally |
| 09:12.05 | simonrvn | karsten: well, you don't need it if you're not blocking it. check it first. iptables -vn -L | less |
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| 09:12.54 | blujay | luulis: unfortunately, 7z still has a few bugs, like not excluding files/dirs, not storing unix file owners or groups, etc. so it's not suitable for use by itself yet, on Linux. we're working on it, check the bug tracker |
| 09:13.04 | luulis | blujay: you could as well use tar bz2, i dont see big difference in compression but a huge difference in compression time |
| 09:13.09 | blujay | luulis: so until those are resolved, it needs to be used with tar |
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| 09:13.31 | blujay | luulis: you mean you don't see much of a difference in compression ratio between bz2 and 7z? |
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| 09:13.57 | luulis | blujay: yeah thats what i meant |
| 09:14.08 | trentbuck | While doing da dpkg-buildpackage, configure complains "error: C compiler cannot create executables". I've seen this before, but I can't recall how to fix it. |
| 09:14.20 | blujay | luulis: I might try that, though IIRC bz2 wasn't enough for what I need. I'm using 7z on level 9. |
| 09:14.30 | karsten | simonrvn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/139 |
| 09:14.31 | blujay | luulis: I'm trying to fit my backup on a single CD |
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| 09:16.12 | simonrvn | karsten: iptables -A INPUT -i $INET_FACE -p udp --dport 123 -j ACCEPT # e.g. |
| 09:16.17 | omi__ | hey all |
| 09:16.40 | karsten | simonrvn: So on gateway, -i == eth0 (vs ppp0) ? |
| 09:16.51 | omi__ | Can someone explain interaction between LDAP , SASL and PAM? |
| 09:17.10 | blujay | heh, wow,th ere's a broad question |
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| 09:17.17 | omi__ | yep |
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| 09:17.29 | omi__ | I just don't get the authentication being handled |
| 09:17.32 | blujay | what's SASL? |
| 09:17.34 | simonrvn | karsten: -i means stuff going in, so whatever your iface is going out on net, is what you want (if it's ppp0, then ppp0 or ppp+) |
| 09:17.37 | Drag_Sid | LDAP is a protocol for accessing a simple database.. |
| 09:17.57 | Drag_Sid | SASL is a standard way to access a authentication meathod. |
| 09:18.00 | karsten | simonrvn: Don't I need to account for the return traffic? |
| 09:18.07 | Drag_Sid | not to sure about the details. |
| 09:18.25 | omi__ | no I know those, I just don't get the LDAP authentication |
| 09:18.53 | simonrvn | your policy on OUTPUT (stuff going out) is ACCEPT, so no (if you're fetching time updates from the net) |
| 09:19.02 | RvGaTe | how do i completely remove a package, including config files ? |
| 09:19.13 | blujay | RvGaTe: purge it |
| 09:19.16 | karsten | RvGaTe: man apt-get |
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| 09:19.26 | Drag_Sid | For instance I authenticate users using Kerberos.. GSSAPI is a set of libraries that applications can use to get authentication.. So on my setup when a user wants to access OpenLDAP it goes thru SASL then GSSAPI then thru Kerberos.. |
| 09:19.30 | simonrvn | omi__: LDAP is used in addition to or instead of the unix auth (/etc/passwd /etc/shadow, etc.) |
| 09:19.40 | Drag_Sid | it can.. |
| 09:19.46 | simonrvn | GSSAPI is a SASL mechanism |
| 09:19.50 | Drag_Sid | ok |
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| 09:20.20 | omi__ | I want to setup LDAP server and other machines authenticating against it |
| 09:20.35 | simonrvn | ldapwhoami |
| 09:20.35 | simonrvn | SASL/GSSAPI authentication started |
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| 09:21.12 | Drag_Sid | you'd just have to setup pam_ldap.so then |
| 09:21.13 | simonrvn | then spits out my user name, then what my dn is in the directory |
| 09:21.32 | omi__ | when PAM wants to use LDAP does it have to provide credentials to use it? |
| 09:21.33 | simonrvn | that's pam_krb5 actually |
| 09:21.34 | msa2 | I upgraded my debian and got a gnome version which doesn't allow me to move a window top above the screen. And cannot find any control to remove this idiotic limitation! Where should I start to look? |
| 09:21.40 | karsten | Apparently it takes a few tries to get it right. |
| 09:21.43 | simonrvn | omi__: depends |
| 09:21.55 | karsten | msa2: <alt>+left click. |
| 09:21.56 | Skaag` | i've just downloaded kernel-source-2.6.11 and kernel-patch-grsecurity2 but when I apply the patch all the chunks are rejected, am I missing something? |
| 09:21.57 | Drag_Sid | if you want to authenticate against ldap you can use libpam_ldap package.. |
| 09:22.11 | blujay | msa2: what do you mean, "move a window top above the screen"? |
| 09:22.13 | karsten | simonrvn: Synched clocks! |
| 09:22.22 | msa2 | karsten, doesn't work.. |
| 09:22.40 | simonrvn | karsten: w00t |
| 09:22.46 | msa2 | karsten, ..which is exactly what I'm griping about.. |
| 09:22.51 | karsten | msa2: :-( |
| 09:23.08 | Drag_Sid | er, libpam-ldap |
| 09:23.08 | msa2 | karsten, it moves the window but refuses to move the window above the screen top |
| 09:23.22 | simonrvn | yup. or pam-unix2 |
| 09:23.33 | karsten | msa2: Ah. Dunno then. |
| 09:23.38 | blujay | msa2: is it bumping against the panel? |
| 09:23.43 | karsten | msa2: I thought your window title bar was _above_ top. |
| 09:23.49 | simonrvn | though you still need libpam-ldap for some other files |
| 09:23.51 | omi__ | Drag_Sid, when you use pam-ldap, when it connects to remote LDAP server is everything plaintext? |
| 09:23.53 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:23.57 | Drag_Sid | simonrvn: you'd have to setup nsswitch stuff to get pam-unix2 to work, right? |
| 09:23.59 | karsten | msa2: Might be an edge-resistance setting somewhere. |
| 09:24.10 | blujay | msa2: yeah, maybe it's in gconf somewhere |
| 09:24.10 | simonrvn | omi__: can be encrypted (recommended) |
| 09:24.12 | omi__ | as in you can sniff the authentication for ldap? |
| 09:24.17 | Drag_Sid | yes |
| 09:24.18 | omi__ | yes :) |
| 09:24.21 | simonrvn | Drag_Sid: you do anyway |
| 09:24.32 | omi__ | how is it encrytped? |
| 09:24.36 | msa2 | karsten, right, but opposite, I *want* to move my window title bar above the top :) |
| 09:24.39 | Drag_Sid | but you can use SSL encryption to protect LDAP. |
| 09:24.42 | simonrvn | SSL/TLS |
| 09:25.07 | simonrvn | msa2: gnome? |
| 09:25.12 | omi__ | how do I set that up? |
| 09:25.18 | karsten | msa2: Right. As I said: there may be an edge-resistance setting you can find. WHich WM? |
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| 09:25.24 | karsten | msa2: metacity? |
| 09:25.35 | msa2 | karsten, gnome + sawfish (i think) |
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| 09:26.11 | simonrvn | omi__: first you need to do some reading. www.openldap.org has a guide, and a faq. then howto.aphroland.org/HOWTO/LDAP |
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| 09:26.20 | msa2 | oops, metacity.. damn.. :) |
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| 09:26.43 | TwistedEmotions | That sucked... |
| 09:26.48 | msa2 | (my disk crashed and I had to reinstall everything.. I guess this is the metacity problem) |
| 09:27.01 | simonrvn | i set my top panel to be such that i can click on a button on it and it shoves itself out of the way |
| 09:27.07 | TwistedEmotions | wouldnt let me install grub without formating a drive... |
| 09:27.21 | Drag_Sid | TwistedEmotions: sucks. |
| 09:27.28 | Drag_Sid | er, that sucks |
| 09:27.36 | TwistedEmotions | what was suggested... knopixs? |
| 09:27.46 | liable | TwistedEmotions: boot into linux rescue, can you still acces irc? |
| 09:27.50 | lewis | hey there all - i recently changed a few files (/etc/login.defs, /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/ssh) to take into account the change of mailbox storage from mbox to maildir. however, now when I login via SSH, I get the message 'you have newmail' or 'you have oldmail' - missing a space - any ideas? |
| 09:27.57 | Drag_Sid | knoppixs live cd. Very nice... Full GUI desktop. |
| 09:28.02 | xenwryly | anyone have any recommendations for server side, user trainable, spam filtering? |
| 09:28.06 | TwistedEmotions | liable: I didnt change anything.. |
| 09:28.12 | TwistedEmotions | running fine.. |
| 09:28.19 | liable | TwistedEmotions: http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 09:28.20 | TwistedEmotions | just didnt get to reinstall debian |
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| 09:28.28 | Skaag` | xenwryly: Spamassassin |
| 09:28.30 | msa2 | I guess I need to switch back to sawfish, I didn't realice that the default has changed :) |
| 09:28.45 | liable | TwistedEmotions: no, if you reboot, into rescue, do you have another comp, to irc on |
| 09:29.20 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... yes but in different room... why? Is it not a GUI setup? |
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| 09:30.07 | liable | TwistedEmotions: not with the install cd, knoppix is, ans sysrescue *may* be, cant remember |
| 09:30.19 | TwistedEmotions | should I use knoppix instead then? |
| 09:30.21 | liable | TwistedEmotions: you need to boot, mount / and run 'grub' |
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| 09:31.07 | Drag_Sid | knoppix is nice because even if you can't get it working, you still have a full Linux desktop to mess around with. :) |
| 09:31.12 | omi__ | simonrvn, how does authentication handled when you want to connect to remote server? |
| 09:31.26 | TwistedEmotions | liable when I installed debian I didnt have have to setup anything myself.. |
| 09:31.36 | msa2 | one more question .. the installation never asked me which window manager I want to use. Where do go to change it to sawfish? |
| 09:31.38 | liable | TwistedEmotions: try the sysrescue cd, only ~140 mg |
| 09:31.51 | TwistedEmotions | kk will try. |
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| 09:32.04 | TwistedEmotions | then knoppix |
| 09:32.26 | omi__ | simonrvn, I'm reading the guide and they just use the commands for ldap but I do not see them authenticating |
| 09:32.29 | xenwryly | Skaag`: hmm, I had it in my memory that spamassassin was not user trainable. I'll have to look into it more carefully. |
| 09:32.36 | Drag_Sid | msa2: you can use "sawfish --replace" command and then log out with 'save session' selected. |
| 09:32.41 | Drag_Sid | I beleive |
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| 09:34.00 | Skaag` | anyone managed to patch kernel-source-2.6.11 with grsecurity2 and can help me out? |
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| 09:35.04 | tracy | hi,all |
| 09:35.11 | hap | hi |
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| 09:35.35 | hap | I don't see LVM with my 2.6.11 kernel on amd64, anyone knows if I should see it ? |
| 09:35.48 | msa2 | Drag_Sid, You may only run one window manager (to sawfish --replace). I think I will look to change the default some way |
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| 09:36.16 | Drag_Sid | msa2: sorry, sawfish doesn't support the replace option. |
| 09:36.21 | Drag_Sid | didn't realise |
| 09:36.30 | Drag_Sid | others do |
| 09:36.54 | tracy | my debian desktop got blank except taskbar,how to find the icons on the desktop |
| 09:36.56 | msa2 | heh.. and killing metacity didn't help.. it restarted itself.. |
| 09:37.06 | Drag_Sid | otherwise you can open up gnome-session-properties and stop metacity that way. |
| 09:37.24 | Drag_Sid | becarefull not to loose focus |
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| 09:37.31 | Drag_Sid | no window manager is dangerious |
| 09:37.41 | Drag_Sid | :) |
| 09:38.17 | tracy | why |
| 09:38.24 | Drag_Sid | tracy: did you recently do a update? |
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| 09:38.43 | Drag_Sid | tracy: try logging in as a different user and make sure it works. |
| 09:38.44 | tracy | ye |
| 09:39.33 | Drag_Sid | you may have a old gconf-2 thing running from before you updated. Also you may have to clear out the /tmp directory |
| 09:39.44 | msa2 | Drag_Sid, ahh... thanks! Got it. sawfish allows me to move the window the way I want. |
| 09:40.19 | tracy | oh,another user it works,but this user it don't work |
| 09:40.19 | Drag_Sid | :) |
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| 09:40.32 | Drag_Sid | tracy: I think maybe a old gconf-2 deamon may be running for your user from before the upgrade. |
| 09:40.48 | Drag_Sid | also gnome stores some stuff in /tmp that may have to be cleared out. |
| 09:40.57 | Drag_Sid | maybe try a reboot |
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| 09:41.33 | Drag_Sid | ... otherwise it may be a messed up setting for your user. |
| 09:41.35 | tracy | just now it works , |
| 09:41.40 | Drag_Sid | :) |
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| 09:41.57 | Drag_Sid | ya nautilus is a b!tch sometimes |
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| 09:45.00 | tracy | just when i close a dialog and save it then login,the problem is |
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| 09:46.09 | tracy | how can i get recover my desktop |
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| 09:46.51 | Allister_ | How do we install dosemu 1.2.2 |
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| 09:49.22 | dondelelcaro | Allister_: wait for it to be packaged, and install it, or use 1.2.1-3 |
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| 09:50.06 | Skaag` | is it possible grsecurity is already there in kernel-source-2.6.11? |
| 09:50.43 | dondelelcaro | Allister_: alternatively, find someone who wants to maintain dosemu, since it's currently unmaintained. |
| 09:50.57 | Allister_ | dondelelcaro: what do you mean 'packaged' |
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| 09:51.12 | TLMm | hi all |
| 09:51.30 | TLMm | i get a no subnet decleration error when i run dhcpd, anyone interested to help? |
| 09:51.31 | dondelelcaro | Allister_: I mean exactly that. No one has packaged and made an upload of dosemu 1.2.2 |
| 09:52.31 | Allister_ | dondelelcaro: thankyou, we need a dosemu for debian, any suggections? |
| 09:52.56 | dondelelcaro | !info dosemu |
| 09:52.58 | dpkg | dosemu: (The Linux DOS Emulator), section contrib/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 924 kB, Installed size: 2086 kB |
| 09:53.02 | dondelelcaro | Allister_: ^^^ |
| 09:53.05 | omerANT | i have xp and debian in my haarddisk, i install xp again but after this how can i see grub screen |
| 09:53.31 | Gathond | omerANT: you have to boot your linux using some form of rescue disk/CD and reinstall grub |
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| 09:53.40 | karsten | omerANT: Boot a recovery disk. Run 'grub-install /dev/hda' |
| 09:53.40 | Drag_Sid | omerANT: you need to figure out a way to get into your OS and run the grub installer. |
| 09:53.54 | Gathond | omerANT: since the XP installer overwrites any non windows bootloader found with its own |
| 09:54.09 | Drag_Sid | karsten is very smart |
| 09:54.16 | karsten | omerANT: Recovery disks: Install disk, boot floppy, Knoppix, LNX-BBC, tomsrtbt, etc. |
| 09:54.21 | xoz | omerANT: use rescue to boot your root mounted... pass as root=/dev/<root> during bootprompt |
| 09:54.26 | karsten | Drag_Sid: You're very cute. |
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| 09:54.50 | omerANT | ok |
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| 09:55.12 | Allister_ | dondelelcaro: thankyou again but where do we look? is it on the Debian site or else where? |
| 09:55.17 | karsten | omerANT: FWIW, I had to do pretty much same earlier this evening, system I'd migrated to a new disk. |
| 09:55.39 | xoz | apt-get install dosemu |
| 09:56.05 | streuner_ | !pdo |
| 09:56.05 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 09:56.06 | karsten | xoz: ...and dosemu-freedos if it's not a dep. |
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| 09:56.57 | TLMm | i need help about dhcpd, anyone interested? |
| 09:56.58 | liable | if you have four hdd, and linux is hdd, and grub is on hda, you could expect a bit of a delay loading grub? |
| 09:57.01 | Allister_ | From allister thankyou all once again bye bye |
| 09:57.18 | liable | well three plus cd |
| 09:57.48 | omerANT | how can is bootable floppy disk |
| 09:57.49 | karsten | liable: No. |
| 09:57.55 | omerANT | sorry |
| 09:58.02 | omerANT | how can i make bootable floppy disk |
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| 09:58.06 | Drag_Sid | TLMm: do you have more then one network connected to your dhcp server? |
| 09:58.17 | karsten | omerANT: ?? |
| 09:58.20 | liable | karsten: like a little bit? |
| 09:58.24 | karsten | omerANT: http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
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| 09:58.34 | liable | karsten: to access the second drive? |
| 09:58.36 | karsten | liable: Like really, no. |
| 09:58.44 | TLMm | Drag_Sid i have two nics,one goes to internet,and the second is on the local network,should be serving dhcp.but not working |
| 09:58.55 | karsten | liable: grub passess off to the BIOS where to find the kernel & root FS. |
| 09:58.57 | Drag_Sid | Ya.. I had a similar issue once.. |
| 09:59.08 | karsten | liable: Think about what you're talking about. Why should it? |
| 09:59.14 | TLMm | Drag_Sid and could you solve it out? |
| 09:59.21 | Drag_Sid | I had to manually edit the dchp config file to make it work each time it updated itself |
| 09:59.25 | karsten | liable: No perceptible delay. If anything possibly faster depending on head seek. |
| 09:59.25 | xoz | omerANT: TLMm ip forwarding? |
| 09:59.28 | Drag_Sid | Not sure if it's your problem |
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| 09:59.54 | karsten | omerANT: IIRC there's also boot floppy instructions in the Debian Install Manual. |
| 09:59.57 | TLMm | xoz i have ipmasq, and it's working fine if i manually give static ip to the clients |
| 10:00.11 | Skaag` | I think I will just give up making the kernel the 'debian' way |
| 10:00.13 | liable | karsten: hmm, well bios loads hda, then grub has to load hdd which is secondary slave |
| 10:00.38 | TLMm | Drag_Sid i have a simple dhcpd.conf , but the dhcpd does not start at all |
| 10:00.40 | karsten | liable: Why should that be any slower than head seek on hda from MBR to boot partition to root FS? |
| 10:00.42 | liable | s/load/find |
| 10:00.55 | liable | karsten: thats why i'm asking |
| 10:00.59 | karsten | liable: Particularly as you're now on seperate controllers, which if anything is faster. |
| 10:01.11 | karsten | liable: There are no such things as dumb questions. |
| 10:01.17 | karsten | liable: ...you, however, are an inquisitive idiot. |
| 10:01.22 | liable | ooh yes there are :) |
| 10:01.24 | Drag_Sid | TLMm: I understand.. Since you have 2 nics it wants one declareation for each network.. I _think_ |
| 10:01.32 | liable | karsten: pffft |
| 10:01.35 | Drag_Sid | I don't have that setup anymore.. |
| 10:01.36 | karsten | ;-) |
| 10:01.40 | liable | !lart karsten |
| 10:01.47 | liable | :) |
| 10:02.22 | TLMm | Drag_Sid that's what i've come too. but i dont know how to make the entry for the second nic, it's not planned to be a dhcp offerer anyway. |
| 10:02.39 | karsten | liable: It's not as if your computer BIOS has to take the crosstown bus from one controller to the other, wait five minutes in the rain, transfer, and get on IDE2. |
| 10:02.50 | Drag_Sid | I wish I still had that setup.. I would show the config to you. :( |
| 10:02.50 | karsten | liable: Any delay will be within head seek time. |
| 10:03.02 | liable | karsten: but its not bios, its grub :( |
| 10:03.21 | liable | bah |
| 10:03.22 | TLMm | Drag_Sid thanks anyway :) seems like i'll have to google more :) |
| 10:03.53 | Drag_Sid | I remembe vaguely that it was just because Debian stuck a couple lines in the wrong spot in the config |
| 10:04.02 | Drag_Sid | or not. |
| 10:04.07 | Drag_Sid | :( |
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| 10:04.26 | yannf | hi |
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| 10:04.46 | yannf | i have a question re utf8 in konsole |
| 10:05.25 | yannf | what should i do to have non latin1 characters in konsole ? |
| 10:05.38 | yannf | like japanese |
| 10:06.10 | yannf | my locale is utf8 |
| 10:06.22 | yannf | i have all fonts installed |
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| 10:06.56 | yannf | non latin1 characters are avaiable in all kde applications except konsole |
| 10:06.57 | liable | right |
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| 10:07.51 | EmleyMoor | Is there a channel for cdrdao support? |
| 10:08.01 | streuner | do you use debian? |
| 10:08.09 | streuner | then just ask |
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| 10:08.19 | EmleyMoor | Yes but for reasons of out-of-datedness, not the Debian package |
| 10:08.46 | streuner | well, we support debian |
| 10:08.51 | xenwryly | can someone point me to any discussions of the merits of the various MTA and IMAP servers that are well supported in Debian? |
| 10:08.55 | EmleyMoor | I have installed a local compile but it fails to write, every time, giving no error messages, just plain dropping back to the command line |
| 10:09.12 | xenwryly | or perhaps I can even start such a discussion here? :) |
| 10:09.24 | streuner | EmleyMoor: use the debian package and ide-scsi - works fine for me |
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| 10:09.40 | EmleyMoor | streuner: I need gcdmaster, which is no longer in Debian |
| 10:09.47 | EmleyMoor | This is why I use a local compile |
| 10:11.32 | streuner | * Drop gcdmaster; it's slated to be split out upstream anyway, and I |
| 10:11.32 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.46 | karsten | xenwryly: google 'mta site:linuxmafia.com |
| 10:12.09 | gnufan | whatever became of perens.com? |
| 10:12.27 | EmleyMoor | Who is this "I"? |
| 10:12.34 | karsten | gnufan: Ask Bruce |
| 10:13.01 | streuner | EmleyMoor: /msg dpkg maint <package> |
| 10:13.04 | karsten | gnufan: ...domain's registered. |
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| 10:13.30 | gnufan | karsten, the only contact I have for Bruce is at perens.com or similar domains... |
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| 10:14.03 | gnufan | karsten, I can't speak to the nameservers from anywhere... they host several other sites. |
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| 10:14.05 | f31n | Hi |
| 10:14.29 | jjjj | i am sarge, can i install a package fr sid? |
| 10:14.36 | xenwryly | karsten: thanks |
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| 10:14.48 | streuner | jjjj: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 10:15.03 | f31n | i've got 3 IDE-HDs but one of them is on an IDE-Controller...debian doesn't know the hd on the controller, can anybody help me? |
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| 10:15.31 | streuner | f31n: d-i? |
| 10:15.42 | xenwryly | karsten: I'm not actually seeing any discussion or comparison |
| 10:15.51 | Babbage | If they are IDE disks, all of them must be on IDE controllers, surely? |
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| 10:16.45 | gnufan | f31n, you ever used the missing disk in that position? Sounds like BIOS/hardware issue to me. |
| 10:16.47 | Drag_Sid | I donno, I found this pretty quickly.. http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Mail/mtas.html |
| 10:17.10 | f31n | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.17 | ircdevil | after upgrading to sarge dhcp stopped working. dhclient3 say network down? |
| 10:17.20 | f31n | gnufan: it works well under windows... |
| 10:17.37 | f31n | streuner: d-i? |
| 10:17.46 | streuner | !d-i |
| 10:17.47 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 10:18.00 | Drag_Sid | ircdevil: does your interface show up when you do 'ifconfig -a' command? |
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| 10:18.07 | blujay | jjjj: for some packages you can simply do "apt-get install package/unstable" |
| 10:18.19 | gnufan | f31n, and when you say doesn't recognise the disk you mean no "model" under /proc/ide |
| 10:18.29 | jjjj | blujay, that sounds better. |
| 10:18.44 | f31n | gnufan no, i meant no /dev/hd* for this disk...(udev) |
| 10:18.44 | f31n | ^^ |
| 10:19.18 | Drag_Sid | if it's sata it will show up as a /dev/sd* disk.. |
| 10:19.20 | ircdevil | Drag_Sid: erhm - i cant really test since i am trapped on windows for now, but the interface did work before the upgrade and i can set it up statically. but i need dhcp ... |
| 10:19.46 | f31n | Drag_Sid Well, i know...but it is no SATA-HD... |
| 10:19.54 | karsten | xenwryly: IMAP: courier. SMTP: courier, exim, postfix. There's some simple/minimal MTAs as well. Basically anything but sendmail or qmail. |
| 10:20.11 | karsten | gnufan: Bruce has a listed number. Or ask around #debian-devel if you really need to get hold of him. |
| 10:20.12 | Drag_Sid | f3in: just thought I'd give it a shot |
| 10:20.30 | karsten | gnufan: Why do you need to reach him? |
| 10:20.38 | blujay | jjjj: sometimes you may need to do that for more than one package at a time to fulfill dependencies...on the same line, like "apt-get install package1/unstable package2/unstable..." |
| 10:21.02 | f31n | Drag_Sid Yeah, thx ^^ i've got an SATA too, but this one works ^^ |
| 10:21.09 | gnufan | karsten, I just wanted to know what is up the sites been unreachable for days - it handles mailing lists and stuff I want. |
| 10:21.10 | jjjj | blujay, i am actually talking about nvu, and it doesn't work. |
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| 10:21.29 | blujay | jjjj: can you be more specific? what doesn't work? |
| 10:21.39 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... the debian cdrdao can write... but the local one just plain doesn't bother |
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| 10:22.08 | jjjj | blujay, it is package nvu not found |
| 10:22.20 | gnufan | ircdevil, have you tried both DHCP clients - I've seen trouble with Debian and some badly broken DHCP servers. |
| 10:22.35 | IDC | why php5 hasnt arrived to debian sarge ? |
| 10:22.37 | Drag_Sid | ircdevil: does it work if you call dcpclient directly, like dhcpclient eth0 |
| 10:22.40 | Drag_Sid | t? |
| 10:22.49 | liable | jjjj: its there |
| 10:22.53 | liable | for sarge |
| 10:23.03 | Drag_Sid | oops dhclient |
| 10:23.09 | blujay | jjjj: works for me...apt-get updated lately? |
| 10:23.10 | f31n | hm... |
| 10:23.11 | ircdevil | Drag_Sid: tried that - no |
| 10:23.22 | ircdevil | gnufan: yes i tried both dhclient and dhclient3 |
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| 10:23.29 | Drag_Sid | maybe if that works maybe your /etc/network/interfaces file needs to be edited. |
| 10:23.44 | jjjj | blujay, update first, no need to add any line to sources.list? |
| 10:23.53 | ircdevil | i need some ideas what to check to tell why dhclient "stopped working" |
| 10:23.59 | gnufan | ircdevil, I meant pump... damn too many dhcp clients. |
| 10:24.00 | blujay | jjjj: well, of course, all that I said assumes that you already have unstable in your sources.list |
| 10:24.00 | Drag_Sid | or maybe the old dhclient config needs to be replaced by a newer version, maybe. |
| 10:24.16 | ircdevil | gnufan: no - havnt tryed pump |
| 10:24.16 | liable | no, its in sarge |
| 10:24.25 | ircdevil | Drag_Sid: good idea |
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| 10:24.53 | jjjj | blujay, not the src too? |
| 10:24.55 | liable | !info nvu sarge |
| 10:24.56 | blujay | jjjj: you should also pin in /etc/apt/preferences to give testing higher priority |
| 10:25.06 | blujay | jjjj: what? |
| 10:25.13 | ircdevil | Drag_Sid: hmm Version: 2.0pl5-19.1 (sarge) Version: 2.0pl5-11woody1 (woody) - aint that the same version? |
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| 10:25.26 | jjjj | blujay, i mean the line to add to sources.list |
| 10:25.37 | jjjj | no need deb-src? |
| 10:25.53 | blujay | jjjj: you can add it if you want, if you want to build from source |
| 10:25.56 | liable | nvu *is* in sarge |
| 10:26.08 | Drag_Sid | ircdevil: I guess so. (I use sid so I wasn't sure) |
| 10:26.09 | blujay | liable: he knows...he wants the version from unstable, which is newer |
| 10:26.11 | jjjj | no, i don't want to build fr source. |
| 10:26.19 | liable | oh, soory |
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| 10:26.43 | jjjj | blujay, pls be more clear about /etc/apt/preferences |
| 10:26.55 | ircdevil | bbl |
| 10:27.17 | jjjj | what is 'pin in'? |
| 10:27.28 | blujay | !tell jjjj about pinning |
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| 10:28.58 | giupy_ | wich mirrors to have sid with all, like xmule ecc... in sources.list i have only deb ftp://ftp2.it.debian.org/debian/ testing main... |
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| 10:31.32 | karsten | What is a pts (device file) ? |
| 10:31.56 | karsten | ...or ptyp? |
| 10:32.03 | karsten | eg: /dev/ptyp0 |
| 10:32.03 | gnufan | karsten, man pts ;) |
| 10:33.07 | submarine | (old issues) |
| 10:33.19 | submarine | (0$) |
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| 10:33.37 | ircdevil | ahahahaah |
| 10:33.48 | ircdevil | im back! |
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| 10:33.56 | gnufan | ircdevil, using dhcp? |
| 10:33.57 | karsten | gnufan: Can they be attached to? I've run UML w/ serial 1 = /dev/ptyp0 & serial 2 = /dev/ptyp1 |
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| 10:34.13 | ircdevil | gnufan: yup overwriting the dhcp config files did the trick |
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| 10:35.27 | kiara` | hi |
| 10:35.48 | kiara` | Can you help me? |
| 10:35.48 | gnufan | karsten, I start my UML in screen to get access because I'm lazy - try http://jdike.stearns.org/uml/input.html |
| 10:36.03 | tracy | hi |
| 10:36.17 | ircdevil | !tell kiara` about ask |
| 10:36.18 | karsten | gnufan: OK. I've also got con1 = port:9000, but connecting fails: |
| 10:36.25 | liable | kiara`: just ask your question, we'll try |
| 10:36.30 | karsten | gnufan: execvp of '/usr/sbin/in.telnetd' failed - errno = 2 |
| 10:36.41 | tracy | hi |
| 10:36.41 | karsten | gnufan: $ nc localhost 9000 |
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| 10:36.53 | kiara` | Where do I can find netinst for debian? |
| 10:36.56 | jethro | moin |
| 10:37.04 | EmleyMoor | Is there a guide anywhere to making a Debian package from a package that would be managed locally in the ./configure, make, make install way? Or converting from stowed? |
| 10:37.15 | liable | !tell kiara` about d-i |
| 10:37.16 | ircdevil | !tell kiara` about netinst |
| 10:37.18 | karsten | !netinst |
| 10:37.23 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
| 10:37.38 | karsten | EmleyMoor: New Maintainer's Guide. http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 10:38.07 | gnufan | kiara`, probably best to click on the d-i rc3 news on www.debian.org to get the shiny latest |
| 10:38.09 | tracy | oh |
| 10:38.36 | kiara` | ah ok |
| 10:38.46 | tracy | hello |
| 10:39.06 | liable | tracy: yes, hi, ask if you have a question :) |
| 10:39.33 | karsten | !tell tracy about ask |
| 10:39.38 | karsten | tracy: Yes, you're here. |
| 10:40.00 | tracy | ok |
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| 10:41.17 | gnufan | karsten, why were you starting telnetd with the UML stuff? |
| 10:41.30 | tracy | how can i change the color of the letter |
| 10:41.38 | karsten | gnufan: I don't know. I thought it was supposed to go straight to con. |
| 10:42.01 | paulswm | Morning, jethro :) |
| 10:42.04 | liable | tracy: you will have to be more specific |
| 10:42.09 | gnufan | karsten, I think you are just support to "telnet localhost 9000" on the host machine |
| 10:43.06 | karsten | gnufan: That's what I'm doing. On host: telnet localhost 9000. Or nc localhost 9000. |
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| 10:43.18 | tracy | ok |
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| 10:43.43 | Allister_ | why does the dos emulator say no operating system? |
| 10:43.46 | liable | tracy: whats your native language? |
| 10:43.58 | TwistedEmotions | liable: Miss me? |
| 10:44.00 | karsten | Allister_: aptitude install dosemu-freedos |
| 10:44.11 | karsten | Allister_: ...because your dosemu session has no operating system. |
| 10:44.11 | tracy | chinese |
| 10:44.20 | karsten | tracy: English. |
| 10:44.29 | liable | TwistedEmotions: yes, of course. :) But seems i'm full of shit :) |
| 10:44.48 | TwistedEmotions | liable: I didn't say that... |
| 10:44.53 | liable | TwistedEmotions: I may have led you down the garden path :) |
| 10:44.57 | karsten | !chinese |
| 10:44.57 | dpkg | somebody said chinese was Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese |
| 10:45.02 | liable | TwistedEmotions: no, you didnt |
| 10:45.09 | TwistedEmotions | liable: Ohh.. hahaha... dont worry.. I was there anyways.. |
| 10:45.30 | tracy | my debian desktop is blank,how can i recover it |
| 10:45.31 | TwistedEmotions | liable: If you didnt help then you sure didnt hurt... so no worries ;) |
| 10:45.32 | liable | TwistedEmotions: hah, stealth irc? |
| 10:45.38 | karsten | Allister_: you'll probably also want xfonts-dosemu for extra lovin' goodness. |
| 10:45.44 | karsten | tracy: <ctrl><alt><F1> |
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| 10:45.55 | TwistedEmotions | liable: X-Chat |
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| 10:46.23 | Allister_ | karsten: thank you once again I think we have freedos and I know xfonts is on the debian site. |
| 10:46.31 | kiara` | but it's better than I download 7 Debian's cd or only the netinst cd? |
| 10:46.44 | karsten | Allister_: Try 'dosemu' as root. |
| 10:46.49 | liable | TwistedEmotions: well, I cant help, but that pasye you did, only showed the first 1/4 of menu.lst |
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| 10:47.02 | liable | s/pasye/paste |
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| 10:47.19 | TwistedEmotions | Allister_: dont thanks karsten shes evil... takes advantage of drunken fools. |
| 10:47.26 | TwistedEmotions | *thank |
| 10:47.36 | TwistedEmotions | haha.. guess I'm still drunk. |
| 10:47.41 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Spoken like a drunken fool who knows. |
| 10:47.57 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ...and my friends call me "Mister". |
| 10:48.05 | kiara` | sorry for my english but i'm italian |
| 10:48.15 | karsten | kiara`: NP. |
| 10:48.38 | karsten | kiara`: If you have a high-bandwidth connection, just the netinst. |
| 10:48.40 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Mister? I thought you were a ugly women with 3 day old stubble... |
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| 10:48.58 | karsten | kiara`: You don't meed most of the stuff on the disks. |
| 10:49.04 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: That's why my friends call me Mr. |
| 10:49.22 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Might want to re-think your friends... |
| 10:49.42 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: :) Glad to be a friend... |
| 10:49.50 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Appreciated ;-) |
| 10:50.31 | tracy | oh ,no.I mean there are no icons on the desktop except taskbar |
| 10:50.51 | karsten | tracy: What is your desktop environment? Many Linux desktops don't use icons. |
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| 10:51.21 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: probably KDE? |
| 10:51.32 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: That's got icons. No stubble though. |
| 10:51.44 | tracy | hwieed-debian |
| 10:51.50 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Well that's just not sexy... |
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| 10:52.02 | karsten | tracy: I'm sorry. What's hwieed? |
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| 10:53.00 | raf256 | what should I install (and how) to play windows direct X games? |
| 10:53.09 | karsten | raf256: Windows. |
| 10:53.14 | TwistedEmotions | haha |
| 10:53.20 | liable | TwistedEmotions: well, maybe a grub re-install is in order? |
| 10:53.28 | TwistedEmotions | raf256: xwine and xwine gui.. |
| 10:53.42 | TwistedEmotions | raf256: As far as how... google it. |
| 10:53.45 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: I don't think WINE supports DirectX. |
| 10:53.55 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh... |
| 10:54.00 | luulis | karsten: it does somewhat |
| 10:54.00 | gnufan | karsten, I see the UML tried to exec telnetd on incoming connections.. is it installed on the UML disk? |
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| 10:54.10 | karsten | raf256: Seriously, it's not supported natively in Linux. |
| 10:54.12 | TwistedEmotions | What game are you triyng to run raf256 ? |
| 10:54.21 | tracy | oh,sorry,it's a chinese version |
| 10:54.34 | karsten | gnufan: Probably not. I'm aptitude-upgrading right now, it'll be a bit before I can install it. |
| 10:54.35 | TwistedEmotions | If it's minesweep then hes safe with xwine |
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| 10:54.45 | karsten | gnufan: I'm still a tad confused as to why it needs to be there.... |
| 10:55.06 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: AFAIR minesweeper _isn't_ directx. |
| 10:55.20 | karsten | raf256: google 'directx wine' for info. That's what I'd do if I cared. |
| 10:55.32 | TwistedEmotions | liable: tried apt-get remove grub... apt-get install grub |
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| 10:55.52 | karsten | tracy: Can you take a screenshot and post it somewhere to a website? |
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| 10:56.01 | karsten | Anyone know a site to post images to? |
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| 10:56.08 | tracy | Hiweed-debian |
| 10:56.11 | gnufan | karsten, UML architecture is a bit odd in places, I'm sure the kernel shouldn't try and exec programs like telnetd ;) |
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| 10:56.31 | karsten | gnufan: Yeah, i've been discovering that. |
| 10:56.37 | karsten | gnufan: Heh. Or xterm FWIW ;-) |
| 10:56.39 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: No it's not directx... it barely requires a OS to run... |
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| 10:56.46 | liable | TwistedEmotions: tried just 'grub' from cmd line |
| 10:56.55 | raf256 | karsten: I thought there is no directX in wine? only in this "cedega"(?) thingy |
| 10:56.57 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Truth. After all it runs on Win95.... |
| 10:57.09 | raf256 | TwistedEmotions: I want to run SWAT 3 |
| 10:57.12 | TwistedEmotions | liable: Heh? |
| 10:57.13 | karsten | raf256: *I*'m not the one saying there's directx in WINE. |
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| 10:57.31 | tracy | what |
| 10:57.44 | raf256 | using this Cedega - can I indeed run all (most) DX games from windows? |
| 10:57.45 | liable | TwistedEmotions: try it, to install it again to mbr |
| 10:57.46 | karsten | tracy: More info please ;-) |
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| 10:58.03 | TwistedEmotions | raf256: 1) That game sucks. All the SWAT's do... 2) Probably Buggy as shit. 3) Almost gaurenteed not supported by xwine since it's not a MAJOR game release.. |
| 10:58.06 | tracy | sorry,what's screenshot |
| 10:58.30 | karsten | tracy: One minute. |
| 10:58.33 | raf256 | TwistedEmotions: I love SWAT :) Yeah, this game is buggy |
| 10:58.48 | TwistedEmotions | liable: sorry man.. I'm missing you... try what? You just said try grub from the command line? Just type grub? |
| 10:58.57 | liable | yah |
| 10:59.08 | TwistedEmotions | raf256: Just use a dual boot... thats what I do... |
| 10:59.12 | TwistedEmotions | games = windows |
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| 10:59.12 | liable | as root |
| 10:59.20 | raf256 | TwistedEmotions: thats lame |
| 10:59.21 | TwistedEmotions | everything else = debian |
| 10:59.32 | tracy | http://drupal.hiweed.com/ |
| 10:59.47 | raf256 | cant I run an computer emulator like VMware inside Debian and run windoze on it? |
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| 10:59.59 | karsten | tracy: Do you see anything on your desktop looking like one of these images, and if so, which one: http://xwinman.org/images/gnome_sm.png http://xwinman.org/images/kde_gear_64.png http://xwinman.org/images/xfce_sm.jpg |
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| 11:00.36 | TwistedEmotions | liable: kk... I'm at grub> command line.. what now? |
| 11:00.40 | tracy | no |
| 11:00.53 | TwistedEmotions | raf256: You can... but chances are it will blow my nuts.. |
| 11:01.12 | nagual | has lftp been removed? |
| 11:01.24 | karsten | tracy: Open a terminal. |
| 11:01.26 | liable | TwistedEmotions: first part of hdd id root? |
| 11:01.31 | karsten | tracy: Do you have the command 'import' ? |
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| 11:01.47 | liable | s/id/is |
| 11:02.12 | TwistedEmotions | liable: What the testacle does that mean in retard language..? |
| 11:02.23 | gnufan | tracy, do you know what desktop you are using? I think hiweed defaults to Xfce which has just a toolbar floating a little above the bottom. Did it work before or is this a new install/upgrade? |
| 11:02.42 | liable | TwistedEmotions: bah, your linux partition is the first on hdd |
| 11:02.58 | TwistedEmotions | right... |
| 11:02.59 | liable | your root |
| 11:03.04 | TwistedEmotions | right.. |
| 11:03.09 | karsten | gnufan: http://linux.hiweed.com/desktop |
| 11:03.19 | tracy | http://xwinman.org/images/xfce_sm.jpg, |
| 11:03.29 | liable | TwistedEmotions: root (hd3,0) |
| 11:03.34 | karsten | gnufan: Looks like it's got XFCE, GNOME, KDE, and some of the website art looks heavily WinXP themed. |
| 11:03.35 | tracy | xfce |
| 11:03.51 | karsten | tracy: Right. OK. XFCE doesn't use desktop icons. |
| 11:03.52 | TwistedEmotions | Error 21: Selected disk does not exist |
| 11:04.02 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Select another disk. |
| 11:04.19 | TwistedEmotions | hahahhaa... What? |
| 11:04.26 | TwistedEmotions | I am HELLA confused.. |
| 11:04.37 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: No, hella drunk ;-) |
| 11:05.07 | TwistedEmotions | haha.... I need a cigg... I'm 1/2 dillusional by now. |
| 11:05.09 | karsten | tracy: You can use a program called 'coolicon' to create icons if you want. I haven't used it. 'apt-get install coolicon' |
| 11:05.16 | liable | TwistedEmotions: your linux is on hhd innit |
| 11:05.25 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Does that mean you're lusioning dills? |
| 11:05.26 | liable | hdd even |
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| 11:05.34 | tracy | it's fxce4,just now there are icons on the desktop |
| 11:05.48 | karsten | tracy: OK. You're happy then? |
| 11:06.20 | karsten | tracy: http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=screenshots&lang=en |
| 11:06.24 | liable | TwistedEmotions: is your second hd ide? |
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| 11:06.34 | TwistedEmotions | yeah |
| 11:06.35 | liable | sorry third |
| 11:06.44 | liable | linux one |
| 11:06.45 | Eduoard | hello.... |
| 11:06.50 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: So ... pickles on the brain ... |
| 11:06.51 | TwistedEmotions | 2ndary slave is linux.. |
| 11:06.54 | tracy | karsten,you are so kind |
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| 11:07.00 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ...if you've also got a hankering for ice cream ... |
| 11:07.03 | Eduoard | does anyone use 2.6.11 on a vaio laptop? |
| 11:07.08 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ...I'd suspect you're pregnant. |
| 11:07.13 | karsten | tracy: No problem. |
| 11:07.21 | karsten | !anyone |
| 11:07.21 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 11:07.29 | tracy | thanks |
| 11:07.32 | liable | karsten: if you had your way :) |
| 11:07.48 | lars| | !me |
| 11:07.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, me is the most important person in the whole world!! |
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| 11:08.13 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Just remember I live probably a hour away from you... make jokes... but I got a BIG bottle of wax.. and I AM NOT afraid to use it ;) |
| 11:08.38 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Warm, but not _too_ hot. |
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| 11:09.09 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: I just realized.. its 4am... why are you awake... |
| 11:09.16 | karsten | raf256: FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedega |
| 11:09.22 | karsten | raf256: ...so I learned something. |
| 11:09.28 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: You've been keeping me up. |
| 11:09.28 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: that must mean that YOU are surfing net looking for pickle.. |
| 11:09.45 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: WHO TOLD YOU THAT! |
| 11:10.03 | alex__ | according to my bandwidth viewer my server is consuming 30Mb/s, what command should I use to detect what is doing this ? |
| 11:10.14 | karsten | alex__: netstat. |
| 11:10.28 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: I know your root passwrd so just went ps -A |
| 11:10.34 | alex__ | karsten: thats what I have done but where should I look at ? |
| 11:10.45 | Paganist | alex__: netstat -puta could be interresting |
| 11:10.46 | karsten | alex__: ...there's also something called ntop which I've never quite worked out, but might help you. |
| 11:11.03 | gnufan | Why does Konqueror always complain "the file or folder... does not exist" I think I broke it - it does this accessing http urls and then works on clicking reload... no idea when it broke probably on leaving KDE for GNOME ;) |
| 11:11.23 | TwistedEmotions | root@karstenscomp: 5039 ? 00:00:02 pickle-browser |
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| 11:12.11 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Just keep your paws off my pickle-mobile. |
| 11:12.23 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: It's large, green, and horny. |
| 11:12.51 | YeeC | hi everybody, I'm a new debian user, is there any app to handle start up daemons? |
| 11:12.58 | gnufan | alex__, all else fails tcpdump is your friend. |
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| 11:13.13 | karsten | YeeC: /etc/init.d/*. To enable/disable: update-rc.d |
| 11:13.14 | liable | discusting, I'm going to the turkish porn site :) |
| 11:13.19 | nevyn | YeeC: there are several |
| 11:13.25 | gnufan | YeeC, what are you trying to start/stop ? |
| 11:13.25 | karsten | gnufan: Good call. |
| 11:13.29 | karsten | alex__: iptraf as well. |
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| 11:13.40 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: You worry me Mr... |
| 11:13.44 | PerfDave | alex__: iftop will show you bandwidth usage on a per-connection basis |
| 11:13.44 | PerfDave | Yinvoke-rc.d and update-rc.d |
| 11:13.57 | nevyn | gnufan: that helped me find a painful MSS problem the other day |
| 11:14.00 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: That's what all my exes say... |
| 11:14.03 | debian | TwistedEmotions: you sober already? |
| 11:14.05 | YeeC | I've used nessus, and I wanna stop some daemons |
| 11:14.11 | YeeC | YeeC: thanx |
| 11:14.32 | gnufan | YeeC, just uninstall them if you son't want them - works for me ;) |
| 11:14.41 | TwistedEmotions | debian: Only drunk when I mis-spell words so it's ON/OFF. |
| 11:14.46 | nevyn | YeeC: if you really don't want them uninstall them. |
| 11:15.18 | TwistedEmotions | debian: also when you see karsten dragging me by hair. |
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| 11:15.59 | nevyn | someone mentioned a ncurses rc.d editor dodad the other day.. which I've now forgotten the name of. |
| 11:16.21 | debian | TwistedEmotions: and also withness the moment which caused the pain in your ass. :) |
| 11:16.29 | Allister_ | we still cannot get the dos emulator going even though we have freedos it tell us access deniged if we try to load it |
| 11:16.47 | liable | nevyn: sysvconfig |
| 11:16.48 | YeeC | yeah, I have tought it, anyway I need them sometimes. but I didn't wanted to delete the runlevel links |
| 11:16.57 | TwistedEmotions | debian: Too true... |
| 11:17.12 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Do you write? |
| 11:17.28 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: What? |
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| 11:17.36 | TwistedEmotions | I dont know why asprins dont work on me. |
| 11:17.39 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ...soft-core, but under a pseudonym. |
| 11:17.57 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: I found your writing.. |
| 11:18.01 | gnufan | nevyn, rcconf maybe.... haven't tried it |
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| 11:18.14 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Remainders bin? |
| 11:18.25 | kongen | How do i see my debian version |
| 11:18.27 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: http://www.somethingsexyboutique.com/cart/viewitem.cfm?ID=4218&a=139 |
| 11:18.28 | YeeC | do you accept just english in this channel? |
| 11:18.33 | karsten | kongen: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:18.39 | karsten | YeeC: Yes. |
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| 11:18.56 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: I dont have access to your box my dear... I was joking.. |
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| 11:19.13 | Allister_ | karsten, what version of freedos should we use |
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| 11:19.21 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: One of my finer works. |
| 11:19.21 | gnufan | YeeC, the runlevel link will start them on boot. But you can just stop apps by "/etc/init.d/appname stop" I like this as works on "other distros" (which are offtopic here ;) |
| 11:19.30 | karsten | Allister_: What are your options? |
| 11:19.37 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Haha... figured... |
| 11:19.38 | nevyn | YeeC: if you really want to dissable them rather than uninstall them. try rcconf |
| 11:19.49 | nevyn | YeeC: but if they're not needed I'd remove them |
| 11:19.51 | YeeC | gnufan: i know it thanks |
| 11:20.04 | nevyn | YeeC: less disk usage good. |
| 11:20.11 | Allister_ | Karsten, any at the moment, do you want ot know what we are trying? |
| 11:20.14 | karsten | Allister_: dosemu-freedos here, version ... b8p-4 |
| 11:20.14 | kongen | hmm, how do i upgrade from 3.0 to the newest debian? |
| 11:20.20 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Your stories posted? |
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| 11:20.40 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: alt.to.sick.to.be.lies |
| 11:20.56 | karsten | Allister_: Sure. ESP me harder. |
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| 11:21.23 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: hahaha... Is that really a news group? |
| 11:21.25 | Anders1 | reboot :O |
| 11:21.36 | giupy | where can i find "radeon" driver i have only ati driver installed |
| 11:21.38 | kongen | When i install debian 30r5 i386, whould it be the newest kernel then? |
| 11:21.49 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: In alt.*, if you can imagine it, it's true. |
| 11:22.06 | Allister_ | Karsden, the freedos we have is beta9 service pack1. |
| 11:22.08 | liable | giupy: what card? |
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| 11:22.15 | karsten | !tell kongen about woody->sarge |
| 11:22.24 | giupy | liable mobility 9700 |
| 11:22.46 | karsten | Allister_: Are you getting that through the Debian archives or third-party sources? |
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| 11:23.04 | karsten | Allister_: You should just be able to 'apt-get install dosemu-freedos'. As I've told you a dozen times. |
| 11:23.10 | Allister_ | Karsten, it would not be debian |
| 11:23.11 | liable | giupy: isnt it supported in later debian kernels? |
| 11:23.13 | karsten | Allister_: ...it's really _not_ that hard. |
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| 11:23.44 | bjh_ | hi |
| 11:24.00 | Allister_ | Karsten, we seem to be haveing a bad hair day today but your help is appreciated |
| 11:24.02 | giupy | liable not for 3d i need the proprietary druver but when i try install them, they can't install over the deb kernel |
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| 11:24.27 | karsten | Allister_: Always happy to contribute bad hair. |
| 11:24.51 | giupy | deb driver |
| 11:24.54 | karsten | Allister_: Nice thing about doing it through Debian archives is that it's automagickally set up for you. |
| 11:25.19 | karsten | !tell giupy about radeon |
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| 11:25.36 | Allister_ | Karsten, so we get fredos from the debian site then? |
| 11:25.37 | karsten | giupy: ... and I don't know anything about it, read what the bot (dpkg) tells you. |
| 11:25.50 | giupy | karsten k i try |
| 11:25.51 | karsten | Allister_: Read my lips: 'apt-get install dosemu-freedos' |
| 11:26.08 | karsten | Allister_: You running Debian or some funny-smelling distro over there? |
| 11:26.46 | karsten | debian: Denmark? |
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| 11:27.29 | giupy | bye |
| 11:27.40 | Allister_ | Karsten, thankyou, you have to realise we are new to debian. I am an engineer and have these problems with my staff but they all have to learn. |
| 11:27.53 | gnufan | debian, probably my dressing gown not Karsten ;) |
| 11:28.30 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone use SBCGLOBAL as a ISP here? |
| 11:29.03 | karsten | Allister_: NP. |
| 11:29.23 | gnufan | Allister_, the Debian reference really is worth glancing at, it isn't really THAT much of a reference work, some of the chapters you can even read like a manual ;) |
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| 11:29.30 | karsten | Allister_: Generally, w/ Debian, you go *inside* the package system first. Only go to third-party sources if you absolutely must. |
| 11:30.04 | gnufan | Allister_, oh and the APT HOWTO essential reading, although I use it like a reference ;) |
| 11:30.11 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: You know how to setup username/password for newsgroups in thunderbird? Preetysure my ISP requires a login.. |
| 11:30.11 | karsten | Allister_: ...also know how to search the archive. |
| 11:30.27 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: NFC. I use knode, have use pan. |
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| 11:30.39 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Check server or account settings. |
| 11:30.54 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ...and is TBird a newsreader or just a mailer? |
| 11:31.05 | karsten | !tell Allister_ about search |
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| 11:31.24 | karsten | Allister_: apt-cache search & apt-file are really useful. Learn to love 'em. |
| 11:31.33 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: both... email compose/check... newsgroup read/post.. |
| 11:31.55 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Ah. Typical mozilla overload ... |
| 11:32.06 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ...though it makes a certain amount of sick sense. |
| 11:32.26 | gnufan | TwistedEmotions, what does always request authentication in the Server Settings dialog do - just a guess haven't done this since Mozilla suite |
| 11:33.02 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Dont be mad because you dont have same programs as me.. I still will be drunk and let you use me. |
| 11:33.21 | TwistedEmotions | gnufan: Yeah... had to actually try and use it before it asks me for login... |
| 11:33.25 | liable | eeew |
| 11:33.50 | TwistedEmotions | liable: I know how... should just be in account settings |
| 11:34.02 | TwistedEmotions | *huh |
| 11:34.12 | liable | TwistedEmotions: no the comment earler |
| 11:34.19 | TwistedEmotions | liable: I know. |
| 11:34.20 | liable | earlier |
| 11:34.27 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Awe... You're making me tear up. |
| 11:34.33 | gnufan | must rejoin real world - eeek |
| 11:34.39 | tracy | karsten:I can't see the image http://xwinman.org/images/xfce_sm.jpg ,there's nothing on it,it's gray.why? |
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| 11:34.45 | gourdin | hi there |
| 11:34.50 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: That happens with true alcoholics. |
| 11:34.59 | liable | heh |
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| 11:35.26 | gourdin | why loading firefix takes up to 20 seconds on my box (athlon 2200 / seagate 120Go 8Mo cache) is there some tricks to enhance this ? |
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| 11:35.32 | karsten | tracy: I don't know. The image is a mouse on a white 'X' with the logo 'XFCE' underneath. |
| 11:35.43 | valdyn | gourdin: prelink |
| 11:35.53 | karsten | tracy: Image is from http://xwinman.org/ |
| 11:36.00 | gourdin | valdyn: prelink firefox ? |
| 11:36.35 | karsten | tracy: ... lower right corner. |
| 11:36.35 | gourdin | why isn't it prelinked at install ? |
| 11:36.35 | valdyn | gourdin: apt-cache show prelink |
| 11:36.46 | TwistedEmotions | tracy: Use the Terminal... the black box in the lower left corner to install all the programs that you need to use.. |
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| 11:37.08 | gourdin | valdyn: prelink is allready installed here |
| 11:37.20 | TwistedEmotions | tracy: Also the "Help" button in the middle will give you some help as far as how to do basic things.. |
| 11:37.25 | gourdin | it doesn't prelink firefox automagically at install |
| 11:37.49 | tracy | ok |
| 11:37.54 | TwistedEmotions | gourdin: You talking about xfce? |
| 11:38.05 | nevyn | debian doesn't prelink anything at install time by default |
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| 11:41.28 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone ever notice how Newsgroups went from being a nerd thing to a porn thing? Now was that because nerds got horney or because porn became major? |
| 11:41.28 | PerfDave | Hmm, I should make a pacakge which just sticks a postins script in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d and calls prelink when you install stuf ;) |
| 11:41.28 | karsten | So, I'm doing an upgrade potato => woody of a UML system on a 300 MB virtual disk. |
| 11:41.28 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: The latter, many people who *want* to use Usenet get pissed off with spamming |
| 11:41.29 | karsten | /dev/ubd/0 298471 276082 6978 98% / |
| 11:41.29 | karsten | That seems to be about the smallest sane install of Debian possible. |
| 11:41.29 | TwistedEmotions | PrefDave: True True.. |
| 11:41.29 | karsten | I've watched it hit 100%, but w/in the reserve. |
| 11:41.29 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: U need a new HD.. |
| 11:41.30 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Wait... is that your HD size? |
| 11:41.30 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: It's a disk image. I can resize it. |
| 11:41.30 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: UML == user mode linux. |
| 11:41.30 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Ahhhh... I feel drunk. |
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| 11:41.38 | karsten | http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net |
| 11:41.55 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ...so it's running within my current Linux setup. |
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| 11:42.05 | kyensial | i tried to do apt-get remove --purge mozilla-thunderbird, but my date is still HH:MM instead of YY/MM/DD HH:MM, nothing explain in settings and it was working well until i change the time with kde configuration center, any solutions ? |
| 11:42.18 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: That's funking great... I should do that... |
| 11:42.22 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ...this is what gnufan and I were nattering about WRT connecting to localhost:9000 |
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| 11:42.36 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: It's an interesting way to play with stuff. |
| 11:42.51 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: You dont need a partition either? |
| 11:42.52 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Fun part was accidentally running mkswap on my root partition earlier this evening. |
| 11:43.09 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Right.. you dont.. cause its a image.. |
| 11:43.47 | xNoVax | Hi... any hint how to localize xterm properly and permanent? I'm using SID with xfce, have done dpkg-reconfigure locales, set-language-env -E and so on... but still american keymap in xterm & terminal |
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| 11:43.59 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... but since your using UML... wouldnt that cause some problems that wouldn't normally be there? |
| 11:44.00 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: It's a disk image. Basically: dd if=/dev/zero of=root.img bs=1m seek=300 count=1; mkfs.ext2 -F root.img; mkdir mp; mount -o loop -t ext2 root.img mp |
| 11:44.34 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ...then copy whatever files you want in there. I started this image a few years back based on Potato base2_2.tar.gz. These days I'd probably debootstrap it. |
| 11:44.50 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Um. Like what sort of problems.? |
| 11:45.02 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: You don't need, for example a bootloader. Or a kernel w/in the image. |
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| 11:46.14 | liable | bleh |
| 11:47.01 | karsten | /dev/ubd/0 298471 284463 0 100% / |
| 11:47.01 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Well I'm figuring that since it's like emulating a OS inside a OS there might be some errors... like how you said it doesnt require a kernel and bootloader... I mean what if somewhere in a program is sais ass some line to bootloader (obviously they would think of that but you get what I mean) |
| 11:47.02 | TwistedEmotions | it/add |
| 11:47.14 | karsten | Dunno if anyone remembers the Star Trek movie where they're moving the Enterprise out of drydock and scrape edges, but that's how I feel. This thing's _just_ cruising under max space... |
| 11:47.35 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Biggie's been hwclock, which locks the guest OS hard. |
| 11:47.39 | gourdin | TwistedEmotions: firefox |
| 11:48.05 | TwistedEmotions | gourdin: firefox in reply to what? |
| 11:48.30 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: so there are errors... See... It pays to be drunk. GJ me. |
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| 11:49.55 | TwistedEmotions | msg deadcat hey message me with your menu.lst when you wake up.. wana see how you setup your bootsplash |
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| 11:50.13 | TwistedEmotions | Whoops.. glad I wasnt giving him my root passwd |
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| 11:51.52 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: As much as I have enjoyed your company tis time to go nap nap... gnite mr. |
| 11:51.59 | TwistedEmotions | gnite all. |
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| 11:52.12 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Sweet dreams. |
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| 11:52.38 | simonrvn | TwistedEmotions_: g'night |
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| 11:52.46 | Muelli | Hi! I get "failed to exec i686-pc-linux-gnu.gcc" when I want to use distcc. I think my distccd can't find that file. Do you know, where I cant get that compiler for debian? |
| 11:53.01 | TwistedEmotions_ | karsten: simonrvn: night ;) |
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| 11:53.56 | karsten | Hrm. Maybe the movie was Space Balls.... |
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| 11:54.27 | simonrvn | was star trek. they were trying to make it out of the dock before the doors closed |
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| 11:55.07 | karsten | simonrvn: Can't remember 'zactly. Horrid screeching noises though. |
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| 11:55.59 | simonrvn | something like that. don't remember what sounds there were. i'm going to sleep too. later. |
| 11:56.47 | liable | nite |
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| 11:58.24 | liable | ludicrous spedd :) |
| 11:58.28 | liable | speed |
| 11:59.20 | Muelli | Hi! I get "failed to exec i686-pc-linux-gnu.gcc" when I want to use distcc. I think my distccd can't find that file. Do you know, where I cant get that compiler for debian? |
| 11:59.45 | cainiao | what is distcc? |
| 12:00.07 | Muelli | Ein Programm um über Maschinen hinweg zu compilen, daimt es schneller geht halt.. |
| 12:00.08 | PerfDave | distcc is a program for distributing compilation jobs over a network |
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| 12:00.44 | liable | Muelli: try debian.de |
| 12:00.57 | PerfDave | !de |
| 12:00.57 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 12:01.18 | cainiao | O, btw:is this the place to talk about embedded linux dev? |
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| 12:02.25 | Debian\Pwns | can anyone tell me what this is about :| |
| 12:02.28 | Debian\Pwns | postfix/postfix-script: warning: valid_hostname: numeric hostname: 192.168.1.4 |
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| 12:04.41 | tracy | karsten:I solved the problem,it's because of sessions and startup |
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| 12:05.04 | nevyn | does debian have a page hiding somewhere with historical release dates? |
| 12:06.09 | karsten | tracy: OK. |
| 12:06.23 | Debian\Pwns | ok i sorted that .. but now i have this "postfix/postfix-script: warning: group or other writable: /etc/postfix/./post-install" can anyone help please? |
| 12:06.26 | karsten | nevyn: http://www.debian.org/releases/ IIRC. |
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| 12:07.10 | nevyn | karsten: I can't find dates there. |
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| 12:08.07 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - can somebody give me a list of advantages and disadvantages debian testing has over gentoo? my girlfriend wants to make her own decision of what distro to use (she currently has gentoo installed but world needs rebuilding) |
| 12:08.23 | ircdevil | sound (alsa) works with mpg321, but not in xine -> ideas? |
| 12:08.29 | raf256 | can I install filles (apt-get) as normal user? |
| 12:08.33 | raf256 | and install files just for me |
| 12:08.36 | PerfDave | raf256: No |
| 12:08.39 | karsten | Super_Cat_Frog: Google 'why debian rocks' |
| 12:08.40 | raf256 | in example to my ~/bin and so on |
| 12:08.40 | tracy | when I set a session,then ok |
| 12:08.45 | PerfDave | Super_Cat_Frog: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 12:08.57 | raf256 | PerfDave: damn, that would be very usefull :( |
| 12:09.10 | tracy | :) |
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| 12:09.23 | liable | Super_Cat_Frog: well, maybe the 1000 hours compiling is a good enough reason :) |
| 12:09.24 | PerfDave | raf256: It would make no sense to use apt for that. |
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| 12:09.45 | Super_Cat_Frog | thanks |
| 12:09.50 | raf256 | ok, so in general - I want to install a program just for me, or install different version of a program. How can I do it using same box? |
| 12:10.10 | Super_Cat_Frog | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.10 | PerfDave | ircdevil: Is xine configured to use ALSA as an output? If it's using OSS, do you have ALSA's OSS emulation module loaded? |
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| 12:10.21 | PerfDave | raf256: Download the source tarball, ./configure --prefix=$HOME |
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| 12:10.53 | tracy | :) |
| 12:10.55 | raf256 | PerfDave: thanx. Btw, can I do it more automaticly so that in example needed dependiences would be resolved as in apt-get intall? |
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| 12:11.08 | PerfDave | raf256: You can't. |
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| 12:11.47 | BadMan | what backups do you use that debian interacts with well? |
| 12:12.01 | PerfDave | BadMan: I use AMANDA to back up my network of Debian servers to tape. |
| 12:12.04 | BadMan | I lost power yesterday during and apt-get upgrade... |
| 12:12.19 | BadMan | I guess I should have been a little more specific |
| 12:12.33 | paulswm | BadMan: It depends on what sort of backups you want to do |
| 12:12.38 | karsten | BadMan: Restart the upgrade. |
| 12:12.47 | karsten | BadMan: ...and/or google 'linux backups' |
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| 12:13.05 | BadMan | thats all fine I just need a good power backup that debian interacts with well, not a server setup |
| 12:13.19 | ircdevil | PerfDave: great - just the hint i needed. all is good now, thanks |
| 12:13.19 | karsten | BadMan: UPS? |
| 12:13.26 | BadMan | yeah |
| 12:13.42 | karsten | BadMan: UPS != backup. 'Backup' refers to file archival. |
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| 12:14.02 | jc-denton | why is xfree updated again in sid? |
| 12:14.04 | BadMan | !UPS |
| 12:14.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, ups is (Uninterruptible Power Supply) This is a device that contains a battery and some circuitry to supply your computer with power for a limited time (depending on the battery) if there is any sort of interruption in the outlet power. or at http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/ups/. THE WORLDS MOST HORRIBLE SHIPPING COMPANY, or apparently teh nu kewl speling of oops. |
| 12:14.08 | jc-denton | i want xorg now |
| 12:14.12 | PerfDave | BadMan: APC UPSen have pretty good Linux support |
| 12:14.27 | BadMan | PerfDave: ok will check them out thanks |
| 12:14.31 | karsten | jc-denton: Great! You've volunteered to package it? |
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| 12:14.47 | jc-denton | sure not |
| 12:14.47 | liable | jc-denton: well fucking install ubuntu then |
| 12:14.59 | paulswm | !prize liable |
| 12:15.01 | PerfDave | jc-denton: xorg won't be in Sid until after Sarge releases. THere are unofficial Debian .debs available now. |
| 12:15.02 | karsten | !xorg |
| 12:15.02 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
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| 12:15.12 | jc-denton | no since firefox is dependent on gnome an the acutal release i'll wait a bit with ubuntu |
| 12:15.15 | liable | :) |
| 12:15.20 | jc-denton | PerfDave: i know |
| 12:15.25 | jc-denton | so release sarge |
| 12:15.31 | jc-denton | but why update xfree then? |
| 12:15.47 | PerfDave | jc-denton: Why not? |
| 12:16.00 | jc-denton | cos it's old? |
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| 12:16.10 | PerfDave | jc-denton: No it isn't. |
| 12:16.13 | paulswm | 'Cos' it works. |
| 12:16.21 | PerfDave | jc-denton: Debian's xfree contains most of the stuff from xorg |
| 12:16.32 | jc-denton | yes it's not fun if it's just works :P |
| 12:16.39 | jc-denton | well there are some patches |
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| 12:16.45 | PerfDave | jc-denton: No wonder you run Ubuntu ;p |
| 12:16.50 | Zcrump | BUT SHINEY AND TRANPSARENT BUTANS!!! |
| 12:16.51 | jc-denton | ran |
| 12:16.55 | karsten | jc-denton: Debian's frozen ATM. xorg will be out in Sid/etch after sarge is released. Troll elsewhere. Have a nice day. |
| 12:17.10 | jc-denton | haha |
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| 12:17.12 | jc-denton | i know |
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| 12:17.27 | PerfDave | Etch is going to be awesome ;) |
| 12:17.34 | jc-denton | hehe |
| 12:17.38 | jc-denton | sure |
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| 12:17.47 | jc-denton | PerfDave: that's not the question |
| 12:17.52 | jc-denton | the question is when |
| 12:17.53 | jc-denton | ;) |
| 12:17.54 | liable | jc-denton: do you really have a good reason for needing xorg, if not shut up and wait. |
| 12:17.59 | paulswm | !enter |
| 12:17.59 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 12:18.04 | Debian\Pwns | can anyone reccomend me a good imap server? |
| 12:18.05 | PerfDave | jc-denton: 30th May |
| 12:18.11 | jc-denton | liable: i just was kidding |
| 12:18.12 | karsten | !tell jc-denton about wir |
| 12:18.13 | Debian\Pwns | (easy to set up) |
| 12:18.18 | jc-denton | uhh |
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| 12:18.30 | jc-denton | if it's not out then i'll switch to redhat :P |
| 12:18.32 | karsten | Debian\Pwns: courier. |
| 12:18.40 | Debian\Pwns | ta |
| 12:18.42 | karsten | jc-denton: 6.2 or 9.0? |
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| 12:18.51 | SuperSox | go and switch to redhat then... jeeze. |
| 12:18.54 | jc-denton | hehe |
| 12:19.09 | karsten | jc-denton: "Don't anybody make a move or the n*r gets it!" |
| 12:19.19 | liable | PerfDave: is that the date? |
| 12:19.21 | PerfDave | jc-denton: Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, now. |
| 12:19.22 | karsten | </blazingsaddles> |
| 12:19.34 | jc-denton | lool |
| 12:19.35 | PerfDave | liable: That's the current planned release date for Sarge. Read debian-devel-announce |
| 12:19.51 | liable | PerfDave: cool, :) |
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| 12:21.52 | liable | PerfDave: not that I really give a toss anyway, nice to know its gonna be done though :) |
| 12:23.14 | joris_ | are there any significant improvements in eaccelerator over turcksoft-mmcache yet? |
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| 12:24.23 | joris_ | err, wrong channel |
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| 12:27.26 | giupy | is is ralink rt2500 wireless card supported ? |
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| 12:28.06 | liable | giupy: better off, looking at ggole for that, its not debian specific |
| 12:28.06 | nevyn | giupy: chipset? |
| 12:28.25 | giupy | it's not ralink ? |
| 12:28.27 | liable | shit, typing retard tonight :) |
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| 12:28.54 | giupy | liable k |
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| 12:29.34 | liable | giupy: lspci, and look for wireless, then google that |
| 12:29.48 | giupy | i'm doing that |
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| 12:33.12 | giupy | make givers me this msg: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686-smp/build no such file or directory....what i need ? |
| 12:33.17 | giupy | gives |
| 12:33.25 | karsten | WTF is /etc/group.org ? |
| 12:33.29 | ircdevil | how can i test if some microphone works? |
| 12:33.33 | giupy | headers? |
| 12:34.01 | abrotman | karsten: sleep ? |
| 12:34.13 | abrotman | karsten: a backup of the original |
| 12:34.23 | abrotman | ircdevil: audacidty |
| 12:34.26 | karsten | abrotman: sleep ? |
| 12:34.27 | abrotman | err audacity |
| 12:34.43 | abrotman | karsten: you .. sleep ? |
| 12:34.48 | karsten | abrotman: Never. |
| 12:34.51 | abrotman | ok |
| 12:35.56 | Eclipser | nngh |
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| 12:36.09 | Eclipser | does gnomeicu work for anyone? |
| 12:36.15 | aardvark | people don't believe me when i tell them it's not the MPAA, but teh bunneh that's taking down tv trackers. |
| 12:36.23 | aardvark | they'll see. |
| 12:36.27 | aardvark | http://img211.echo.cx/img211/2042/bunneh8ai.jpg < proof. |
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| 12:37.05 | abrotman | aardvark: that's a lot of dinner |
| 12:37.20 | aardvark | abrotman: in soviet russia, you are bunneh's dinner. |
| 12:37.29 | Debian\Pwns | can anyone tell me where the apache server log is? |
| 12:37.39 | abrotman | !bunnicula aardvark |
| 12:37.40 | aardvark | /var/log/apache ? |
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| 12:37.52 | Debian\Pwns | thanks |
| 12:37.59 | aardvark | just a wild guess. since all the logs go into /var/log/somewhere |
| 12:38.08 | lars| | lol |
| 12:38.15 | aardvark | ROFLBBQ. |
| 12:38.42 | abrotman | oh .. i redirect all my logs to /dev/null .. i love it when my boss asks .. and then i cat the file .. and say .. "oh .. they must have just rotated" :) |
| 12:38.43 | rysk | hi |
| 12:38.55 | lars| | abrotman: lol cool :D |
| 12:39.00 | liable | giupy: you have kerne-headers installed? |
| 12:39.17 | Debian\Pwns | [Sat May 14 13:35:52 2005] [error] [client 192.168.1.4] malformed header from script. Bad header=Insecure directory in $ENV{PAT: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/courierwebadmin |
| 12:39.27 | Debian\Pwns | thats in the apache log. can anyone like help? :| |
| 12:39.32 | liable | giupy: or kernel source? |
| 12:39.42 | giupy | liable now yes i try |
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| 12:39.54 | abrotman | Debian\Pwns: like help ? |
| 12:40.05 | Debian\Pwns | help* |
| 12:40.14 | rysk | humm I just go some strange error w apt |
| 12:40.15 | abrotman | use vi to configure courier ? |
| 12:40.23 | lars| | nano |
| 12:40.25 | giupy | uh i don't have anything installed....gcc too :) |
| 12:40.26 | Debian\Pwns | :( |
| 12:40.27 | ircdevil | another webmin victem |
| 12:40.28 | abrotman | nvi! |
| 12:40.33 | ircdevil | !webmin |
| 12:40.33 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed ... |
| 12:40.41 | abrotman | ircdevil: it's not webmin i don't htink |
| 12:40.59 | rysk | I got the "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" error |
| 12:41.03 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 12:41.04 | dpkg | [dynamic mmap] "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 12:41.07 | rysk | whatever command i type |
| 12:41.28 | rysk | well, as soon as apt tries to read the database |
| 12:41.34 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 12:41.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 12:41.49 | nevyn | hrm |
| 12:41.51 | raf256 | now, since sarge is frozen (and have security updates?) is it a good choise for server? |
| 12:41.55 | rysk | thx abrotman |
| 12:41.58 | lars| | !spam |
| 12:41.58 | dpkg | from memory, spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week) |
| 12:42.00 | nevyn | abrotman: was repeating nessicary? |
| 12:42.16 | giupy | uh i have rt2500 module installed :))) |
| 12:42.17 | abrotman | nevyn: since he didn't see it the frist time .. aparently :) |
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| 12:42.30 | liable | rysk: yes, but dont sue me :) |
| 12:42.41 | abrotman | nevyn: !tell would have been better .. but i have no contacts in yet! .. i can barely see to read his question ;) |
| 12:42.46 | liable | raf256: ^^ |
| 12:42.51 | rysk | liable ? |
| 12:42.53 | liable | rysk: sorry |
| 12:43.27 | jerub | abrotman: how can a man take the speck out of his brothers eye, when he has a log in his own eye? |
| 12:43.31 | liable | rysk: damn nick completion |
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| 12:43.53 | abrotman | jerub: skill? |
| 12:43.54 | rysk | k |
| 12:43.58 | rysk | no pb :) |
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| 12:44.39 | jetdotnet | ] --- Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect ?? |
| 12:44.47 | liable | raf256: its so close to stable, you would be silly to use woody |
| 12:44.52 | abrotman | jetdotnet: i get that too |
| 12:44.58 | lars| | ignore it |
| 12:44.58 | jetdotnet | ah |
| 12:46.28 | liable | jerub: thats deep, or really confusing :) |
| 12:46.33 | giupy | i have module rt2500 installed, with airsnort i see my adsl router wireless, but how can i create connection and connect me ? |
| 12:47.24 | rysk | well I guess over 128Mo we can assume that the cache size isn't for anything |
| 12:47.34 | oKtosiTe | Is it safe to move from sarge to sid at this point, or should I just stick with testing? |
| 12:47.37 | liable | giupy: man iwconfig? |
| 12:47.45 | giupy | i see |
| 12:47.46 | jetdotnet | sid will eat you alive |
| 12:47.54 | jetdotnet | and melt your cpu |
| 12:47.58 | lars| | no |
| 12:47.59 | liable | giupy: what if config say? |
| 12:48.11 | Debian\Pwns | right i;v been reading the documentation but cant find how.. can anyone tell me how to add mailboxes on courier |
| 12:48.17 | liable | damn |
| 12:48.29 | giupy | liable that i have ra0, rt2500 wireless |
| 12:48.30 | jetdotnet | (i never even install sarge so go for it) |
| 12:48.55 | liable | giupy: ifconfig? |
| 12:49.26 | giupy | liable eth0 lo ppp0 and ra0 |
| 12:49.28 | Zcrump | zcrump@Skynet:~$ man iwconfig? |
| 12:49.29 | Zcrump | No manual entry for iwconfig? |
| 12:49.32 | Zcrump | oh no :( |
| 12:49.45 | jetdotnet | don't apt-get install it |
| 12:49.51 | jetdotnet | that would fry your hd |
| 12:50.42 | jetdotnet | and set up a direct tunnel to the fbi also |
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| 12:50.56 | liable | giupy: ifconfig ra0 up inet dhcp? |
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| 12:51.02 | blackish | join #debian-amd64 |
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| 12:51.16 | giupy | liable no it's disabled |
| 12:51.17 | lars| | ehm blackish ? |
| 12:51.25 | giupy | oh wait |
| 12:51.29 | Rickyx | I have an ISO image of a DVD. How can I use it as a DVD in my machine ? |
| 12:51.31 | liable | giupy: dhcp? |
| 12:51.32 | abrotman | jetdotnet: ew .. you get yours from fbi ? |
| 12:51.44 | blackish | lars|, ehm, yep? |
| 12:51.46 | valdyn | Rickyx: a video dvd? |
| 12:51.49 | jetdotnet | Rickyx: mount it, play it |
| 12:51.51 | giupy | liable yeah on router modem |
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| 12:52.06 | Rickyx | okay! I mount it on the loop. |
| 12:52.12 | Muelli | Hi! I get "failed to exec i686-pc-linux-gnu.gcc" when I want to use distcc. I think my distccd can't find that file. Do you know, where I cant get that compiler for debian? Symlink from i468-linux-gcc to i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc doesn't help :( |
| 12:52.12 | liable | giupy: so no dhcp? |
| 12:52.12 | blackish | RichiH, mount it as loopback |
| 12:52.13 | Rickyx | what device do I say mplayer to use. |
| 12:52.14 | lars| | blackish: why should we join #debian-amd64 if we dont use AMD64 ??? |
| 12:52.19 | jetdotnet | yeah -o loop iirc |
| 12:52.25 | giupy | liable no dhcp |
| 12:52.34 | valdyn | Rickyx: no need to mount it, but mounting does a superset of what you need. |
| 12:52.35 | blackish | what? |
| 12:52.35 | giupy | do i need it ? |
| 12:52.37 | Rickyx | jetdotnet: but what device do I say my player |
| 12:52.42 | Zcrump | !iirc |
| 12:52.42 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 12:52.45 | lars| | blackish: you pasted <blackish> join #debian-amd64 |
| 12:52.45 | blackish | I dont understand (did I say something?) |
| 12:52.49 | liable | giupy: so 'man interfaces' |
| 12:52.55 | blackish | oh, /join |
| 12:52.55 | Rickyx | valdyn: I just have the ISO, I don't want to burn it. |
| 12:52.59 | raf256 | how do I install cedega in debian? |
| 12:53.03 | giupy | k |
| 12:53.04 | valdyn | Rickyx: i know |
| 12:53.08 | blackish | mistake |
| 12:53.12 | Rickyx | valdyn: Is it doable ? |
| 12:53.17 | valdyn | Rickyx: sure |
| 12:53.29 | Rickyx | valdyn: can you please tell me how ? |
| 12:53.29 | jetdotnet | Rickyx: i just play the .vob's |
| 12:53.31 | tarzeau | raf256: you don't. or from source |
| 12:53.42 | valdyn | Rickyx: type "losetup /dev/loop0" |
| 12:53.46 | raf256 | from CSV as user dpkg said? ok |
| 12:53.50 | raf256 | CVS |
| 12:53.59 | jetdotnet | works fine, there is a little glitcvh when it changes vobs |
| 12:54.06 | jetdotnet | !what are you |
| 12:54.06 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 12:54.06 | tarzeau | !cedega |
| 12:54.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or http://timedoctor.org/boycott_winex.php, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
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| 12:54.12 | tarzeau | raf256: doesn't matter |
| 12:54.14 | Rickyx | valdyn: I already have /dev/loop0. Will it be good to do then ? |
| 12:54.18 | giupy | byeeeee thanks liable |
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| 12:54.26 | jetdotnet | Rickyx: nonono hang on |
| 12:54.36 | Rickyx | jetdotnet: okay |
| 12:54.42 | jetdotnet | well maybe that works |
| 12:54.49 | jetdotnet | i dunno, but it's not how i do it |
| 12:54.53 | valdyn | Rickyx: i guess you do, now unmount your loopback mount |
| 12:55.17 | valdyn | Rickyx: and instead of mounting use "losetup /dev/loop0 file.iso" |
| 12:55.34 | jetdotnet | sudo mount /home/jetx/dl/video/dvdr-starsky.and.hutch.img /dvd -o loop |
| 12:55.35 | jetdotnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.49 | jetdotnet | i'm sure there are other ways |
| 12:55.53 | tarzeau | star wars episode 3 is out already? |
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| 12:55.58 | jetdotnet | and probably better |
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| 12:56.03 | valdyn | jetdotnet: yea, it works, b/c setting up a loopback device is a part of mounting a fs image, buts its not required |
| 12:56.24 | liable | jetdotnet: you have starsky and hutch on your puter? :) |
| 12:56.33 | valdyn | Rickyx: after that: mplayer -dvd-device /dev/loop0 dvd:// |
| 12:57.06 | jetdotnet | i did once |
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| 12:57.15 | liable | jetdotnet: classic telly :) |
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| 12:57.32 | blackish | does anyone know if I can get apt-get to use multiple sources to download files from? the most I get from individual mirrors is 100K |
| 12:57.39 | jetdotnet | that's the movie. i liked it. |
| 12:57.50 | blackish | funny movie |
| 12:57.51 | tarzeau | blackish: use a better mirror |
| 12:58.00 | Rickyx | valdyn: Excellent! Thanks val. mplayer crashed but okle worked. |
| 12:58.01 | blackish | the mirrors are limited, amd64 |
| 12:58.01 | karsten | blackish: apt-proxy can do that, I think. |
| 12:58.05 | blackish | thx |
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| 12:58.08 | tarzeau | blackish: what bandwith do you have both directions? |
| 12:58.12 | karsten | blackish: ...it supports multiple backends, at any rate. |
| 12:58.15 | liable | jetdotnet: I am not ripping the piss, good show |
| 12:58.16 | tarzeau | blackish: what about you make your own mirror? |
| 12:58.37 | ircdevil | i seem to be missing something to get this microphone working. mic is enabled and turned up in alsamixer - what else? |
| 12:58.41 | valdyn | blackish: ah, that is a seperate issues i suppose cuz mplayer can deal with that setup just fine |
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| 12:59.44 | jetdotnet | liable: i remember the premier of startsky&hutch the series probably :) but i was just mentioning that that was the movie |
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| 12:59.55 | liable | right |
| 13:00.16 | jetdotnet | police story now, that show sucked imo |
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| 13:00.33 | Chiletix | Hello, I have a prolem, I cant conect to the intenet over my pppoeconf |
| 13:00.49 | rindolf | New BitKeeper essay could use some commentary: http://www.shlomifish.org/__Bk-essay-f567j/bk/what-bitmover-got-wrong.html |
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| 13:00.54 | valdyn | ircdevil: how are you using the microphone? what is not working? |
| 13:00.55 | liable | whats the pommi one, that rocked! |
| 13:00.58 | jetdotnet | conf means configure, not connect |
| 13:01.14 | blackish | tarzeau, 8MB 1MB |
| 13:01.17 | jetdotnet | pommi? |
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| 13:01.23 | Chiletix | shure, but how shoeld I conect then |
| 13:01.27 | liable | english |
| 13:01.45 | ircdevil | valdyn: well, i plugged in thise microphone and try to sample something using audacity (and sound-recorder) but no signal is comming thru |
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| 13:02.25 | cahoot | ircdevil: enabled the 'capture' option (if there is one) |
| 13:02.28 | valdyn | ircdevil: does "cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp" play what you talk into the mic? |
| 13:02.30 | jetdotnet | !en |
| 13:03.04 | liable | bah, good pommy cop show |
| 13:03.13 | asg | liable: the professionals |
| 13:03.14 | lars| | !dk |
| 13:03.15 | dpkg | somebody said dk was Denmark and #debian.dk too |
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| 13:03.21 | liable | asg: nup |
| 13:03.22 | Varanger | hi |
| 13:03.23 | ircdevil | valdyn: no |
| 13:03.25 | Chiletix | jetdotnet: when I do ifconfig, there apears an ppp0 conection |
| 13:03.30 | jetdotnet | dpkg: en is <reply> english, you twit |
| 13:03.30 | dpkg | okay, jetdotnet |
| 13:03.43 | asg | liable: thin blue line? |
| 13:03.46 | Varanger | is there any official package for opening compressing packages in Gnome ? |
| 13:04.00 | lars| | !en |
| 13:04.00 | dpkg | english, you twit |
| 13:04.01 | jetdotnet | Chiletix: beyond me, i set up ppoe once under linux |
| 13:04.06 | jetdotnet | Varanger: file-roller |
| 13:04.15 | Debian\Pwns | translate fr en merde |
| 13:04.20 | Debian\Pwns | !translate fr en merde |
| 13:04.22 | liable | asg: nah, brains faling me, will remeber, eventually |
| 13:04.22 | dpkg | shit |
| 13:04.22 | ircdevil | !twit |
| 13:04.23 | jetdotnet | shit |
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| 13:04.26 | Varanger | jetdotnet: is it Gnome-integrated? |
| 13:04.30 | lars| | dpkg: dk is <reply> somebody said dk was Denmark and #debian.dk and #Linux.dk |
| 13:04.30 | dpkg | ...but dk is already something else... |
| 13:04.31 | asg | liable: how old? |
| 13:04.38 | jetdotnet | Varanger: yes |
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| 13:04.45 | liable | oooh 80's |
| 13:04.48 | Varanger | jetdotnet: thanks! |
| 13:04.50 | liable | or earlier |
| 13:05.15 | jetdotnet | Varanger: i think it should be installed, but if it's not, apt-get install file-roller |
| 13:05.20 | asg | liable: hmmm, I've been in the states since '83 so I don't know. |
| 13:05.21 | liable | asg: may have been proffesionals |
| 13:05.21 | Chiletix | jetdotnet: what did you do, the mater is that ysterday I got conected over pppoeconf and I installed the complete Sarge on my sistem over the internet |
| 13:05.29 | asg | liable: bodie and doyle (main characters.) |
| 13:05.33 | Debian\Pwns | right i'v been reading the documentation but cant find how.. can anyone tell me how to add mailboxes on courier |
| 13:05.35 | asg | liable: but that was in the mid to late 70s |
| 13:05.39 | liable | spelt right of course :) |
| 13:06.00 | jetdotnet | Chiletix: mine 'just worked' after i ran ppoeconf |
| 13:06.09 | Chiletix | ok |
| 13:06.13 | liable | asg: yah, but I seen it in the 80's |
| 13:06.15 | Chiletix | thanks anyway |
| 13:06.21 | asg | liable: reruns |
| 13:06.21 | Chiletix | bye |
| 13:06.23 | jetdotnet | or was it pppoeconf |
| 13:06.30 | liable | asg: yep |
| 13:06.43 | ircdevil | hm what is a good place to read about microphone stuff? |
| 13:06.50 | jetdotnet | the professionals? |
| 13:06.57 | liable | asg: know the character names? |
| 13:07.10 | asg | liable: Bodie and Doyle iirc |
| 13:07.24 | jetdotnet | bodie and doyle, weren't they on swat? |
| 13:07.24 | liable | asg: hah, yup thats it :) |
| 13:07.32 | asg | liable: kind of a gritty starsky and hutch pommi style |
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| 13:07.54 | liable | ahh, it was pretty cool, back then |
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| 13:08.14 | asg | liable: yeah, lots of scenes in topless bars iirc. |
| 13:08.17 | jetdotnet | i never watched tj hooker |
| 13:08.30 | asg | jetdotnet: ...dammnit, Hooker's a good cop! |
| 13:08.31 | liable | hehe, always a good thing :) |
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| 13:08.59 | Crono | what is command in root to searhc for other computers on my network? |
| 13:09.12 | asg | Crono: ping, nmap |
| 13:09.23 | m4lu6 | I'm having difficulty tracking down this information, hopefully somebody can assist; I'm learning how to build deb packages, and create my own personal apt archive; I get my .deb built fine, and it installs fine with dpkg --install xyz.deb, |
| 13:09.26 | Crono | er |
| 13:09.33 | Crono | :/ |
| 13:09.43 | valdyn | Crono: you are talking about smb shares? |
| 13:09.46 | m4lu6 | but as for apt, i can't quite figure out how to properly build the Packages.gz file, ie, get the rquired info into it |
| 13:09.47 | Crono | i am trying to get files form an xp machine without useing smb |
| 13:09.52 | m4lu6 | so i can simply say: apt-get install xyz |
| 13:09.55 | valdyn | Crono: smbtree |
| 13:10.02 | tarzeau | Crono: ftp? |
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| 13:10.04 | Crono | without useing smb |
| 13:10.07 | m4lu6 | I've got the whole fodler structure set up right, apt-get update hits my "repository", |
| 13:10.08 | asg | m4lu6: /msg dpkg repository |
| 13:10.11 | tarzeau | Crono: mail? |
| 13:10.14 | m4lu6 | asg, sir. big thanks. |
| 13:10.17 | jetdotnet | winscp, but i don't know about INTO a winbox |
| 13:10.17 | Crono | smb asks for a password when there isn't one |
| 13:10.29 | tarzeau | Crono: just hit enter |
| 13:10.31 | Crono | no..trnafering files |
| 13:10.35 | Crono | don't work |
| 13:10.36 | m4lu6 | asg: that does it, great! thank you. |
| 13:10.40 | asg | m4lu6: :) |
| 13:10.42 | tarzeau | Crono: PEBKAC |
| 13:10.49 | Crono | someone one told me howto do it yesterday |
| 13:10.53 | m4lu6 | +poifect. |
| 13:11.10 | Crono | i made a folder called network share..and i put soemthign in it..and all i had to do was click and then drag/drop |
| 13:11.12 | liable | Crono: why didnt you write it down? |
| 13:11.20 | m4lu6 | dpkg-scanpackages! excellent. |
| 13:11.26 | Crono | no passowrds login or anyhting |
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| 13:11.49 | Crono | becasue i didn't think linux would erase the conection |
| 13:11.52 | cahoot | Crono: check .bash_history (or equiv)? |
| 13:12.14 | Crono | what is that? |
| 13:12.34 | liable | Crono: what exactly are you doing? |
| 13:12.43 | Crono | transfering files form xp |
| 13:13.01 | liable | explain in less than three lines :) |
| 13:13.02 | valdyn | Crono: which desktop environment are you using? |
| 13:13.12 | Crono | kde |
| 13:13.32 | valdyn | Crono: in your konqueror, type smb:// in the adress bar |
| 13:13.41 | Crono | that don't work |
| 13:13.49 | valdyn | Crono: why doesnt it? |
| 13:13.51 | Crono | and that is not how i did it before |
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| 13:13.54 | Varanger | has anyone built 915g drivers under XFree? |
| 13:14.02 | Crono | becasue it asks for non existant password |
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| 13:14.21 | valdyn | Crono: so just dont enter a password |
| 13:14.26 | Crono | don't work |
| 13:14.27 | [Granger] | Varanger: I believe it's in 2.6.10 |
| 13:14.33 | abrotman | !moo |
| 13:14.33 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
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| 13:14.33 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 13:14.34 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 13:14.36 | Crono | it *HAs* to have one |
| 13:15.25 | Crono | just press enter...doesn't work....dunno how that is ambugious |
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| 13:15.45 | Varanger | [Granger] I am using 2.6.11 now |
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| 13:16.19 | Varanger | Granger: it is there, but I want to use it in XFree and not vesa |
| 13:16.26 | Varanger | [Granger]: it is there, but I want to use it in XFree and not vesa |
| 13:16.39 | abrotman | Crono: ask #samba |
| 13:16.39 | Crono | ..now itisn't even asking for password |
| 13:16.52 | liable | sweet |
| 13:17.02 | tracy | sweet |
| 13:17.07 | abrotman | dude |
| 13:17.18 | [Granger] | Varanger: you might need a newer version of xfree86 then |
| 13:18.04 | Varanger | [Granger]: I have sid's Xfree... is that enough? |
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| 13:18.12 | mono | hi, i have mounted my external hd. now, i am trying to create dir on it. i get the msg error read-only file system. was i mounting it incorrectly? |
| 13:18.25 | abrotman | mono: vfat ? |
| 13:18.30 | quittt | what WINDOWS XP does with my FAT partition that lets me change some things in the folder but dont let me change other things??? |
| 13:18.40 | abrotman | !tell mono about vfatrw |
| 13:18.44 | [Granger] | Varanger: no I think you need to move onto the packages ubuntu uses |
| 13:18.50 | Debian\Pwns | dammit ... on this squirrel webmail thing when i try login i am gettin "ERROR : Connection dropped by imap-server." ... anyone have any ideas? :| |
| 13:19.06 | abrotman | don't fucking use ubuntu packages on debian unless you know what you're doing |
| 13:19.07 | [Granger] | the X server in debian proper is over two years old |
| 13:19.20 | abrotman | [Granger]: do NOT tell him to do that |
| 13:19.36 | [Granger] | abrotman: he asked :/ |
| 13:19.48 | mono | abrotman, thanks |
| 13:19.50 | [Granger] | seriously though, I think that 4.3 is too old for 915 |
| 13:19.51 | Varanger | abrotman: then, how can I find a solution, staying with Debian? |
| 13:19.52 | abrotman | [Granger]: are you going to help him when the entire system eats itself? |
| 13:19.53 | mono | abrotman, ntfs |
| 13:19.55 | [Granger] | but then again I might be wrong |
| 13:20.07 | abrotman | mono: ntfs write in linux is iffy |
| 13:20.19 | [Granger] | abrotman: as I said, prove me wrong :/ |
| 13:20.21 | abrotman | Varanger: i didn't see the error when trying to build them |
| 13:20.37 | [Granger] | mono: don't write to ntfs in linux |
| 13:20.40 | [Granger] | unless you want to hose the fs |
| 13:20.58 | abrotman | i think i said that already :) |
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| 13:21.08 | Varanger | can I send the error? |
| 13:21.10 | Anders1 | what about captive-ntfs? |
| 13:21.17 | jetdotnet | yes, windows has the ability to set read only on a vfat fs that is mounted in linux |
| 13:21.20 | liable | Varanger: to #flood |
| 13:21.22 | [Granger] | Anders1: never heard of that |
| 13:21.24 | abrotman | !tell Varanger about paste |
| 13:22.06 | rindolf | New BitKeeper essay could use some commentary: http://www.shlomifish.org/__Bk-essay-f567j/bk/what-bitmover-got-wrong.html |
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| 13:22.17 | rindolf | New BitKeeper essay. I could use some commentary: http://www.shlomifish.org/__Bk-essay-f567j/bk/what-bitmover-got-wrong.html |
| 13:22.21 | mwilson | hrm, no explanation from daniels. |
| 13:22.24 | mwilson | ack |
| 13:22.27 | thyhorror | hi everyone , quick question . what JAVA are most of you installing ? IBM/SUN/BlackDown |
| 13:22.33 | Delph | thyhorror: sun. |
| 13:22.34 | lars| | !tell rindolf about flood |
| 13:22.37 | abrotman | sun |
| 13:22.40 | Delph | well |
| 13:22.41 | paulswm | thyhorror: Sun. |
| 13:22.43 | [Granger] | thyhorror: sun |
| 13:22.45 | Delph | sun + ibm, tbf. |
| 13:22.45 | mwilson | thyhorror: Not installing any Java. |
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| 13:22.50 | mono | [Granger], how would i format the hd then to ext3? |
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| 13:23.06 | abrotman | Delph: you freak! |
| 13:23.07 | [Granger] | mono: fdisk, and then mkfs |
| 13:23.07 | tarzeau | thyhorror: none here too |
| 13:23.08 | rindolf | lars|: I wasn't pasting. |
| 13:23.13 | [Granger] | eclipse rules! |
| 13:23.16 | rindolf | Here's a short URL: http://xrl.us/f4be |
| 13:23.19 | jasoncohen | how do i check what packages i have installed with apt-get? |
| 13:23.24 | jetdotnet | fdisk it, set it to type 83 (iirc) then mke2fs -j /dev/hda1 or whatever |
| 13:23.30 | Delph | abrotman: =:P |
| 13:23.31 | jetdotnet | dpkg -L |
| 13:23.34 | thyhorror | thanks people . appreciate it greatly |
| 13:23.35 | abrotman | rindolf: stop spamming us with your documents |
| 13:23.42 | tarzeau | thyhorror: you are welcome. |
| 13:23.44 | rindolf | abrotman: it's not spam. |
| 13:23.50 | m4lu6 | huzzah. i now have a fully functional repository. Beer time. |
| 13:23.59 | abrotman | rindolf: is bitkeeper in debian ? |
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| 13:24.14 | paulswm | !prize abrotman |
| 13:24.23 | rindolf | abrotman: don't you discuss free software philosophy here? |
| 13:24.26 | abrotman | !ice cream paulswm |
| 13:24.29 | Debian\Pwns | Can anyone tell me how i can add mailboxes on courier? |
| 13:24.31 | mwilson | rindolf: Of course it's spam. |
| 13:24.31 | tarzeau | rindolf: why not? |
| 13:24.32 | thyhorror | i don't really like java myself . but it's not a welcome thing to be installing and removing it when needed and not. |
| 13:24.33 | paulswm | :D |
| 13:24.37 | abrotman | rindolf: bitmover is NOT free software |
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| 13:24.40 | abrotman | er bit keeper |
| 13:24.41 | tarzeau | rindolf: free software philsophy fits perfectly here |
| 13:24.51 | liable | make it worth while |
| 13:24.59 | liable | !beer abrotman |
| 13:25.05 | liable | !beer paulswm |
| 13:25.09 | [Granger] | thyhorror: my uni expects lots of the work to be coded in java |
| 13:25.11 | jetdotnet | wtf beer != wine |
| 13:25.14 | [Granger] | so it's not like I have a choice |
| 13:25.28 | abrotman | jetdotnet: ? |
| 13:25.29 | [Granger] | mostly because the uni itself runs on linux, but most professors use Windows |
| 13:25.30 | jetdotnet | how dare somebody pollute fine beer with crappy wine |
| 13:25.40 | abrotman | maudite is a lambic i think |
| 13:25.44 | paulswm | !prize liable |
| 13:26.06 | jetdotnet | a fine La Maudite <-- lambic? |
| 13:26.06 | jetdotnet | !dict lambic |
| 13:26.06 | dpkg | could not find definition for lambic |
| 13:26.08 | abrotman | i think? .. i'm not living where maudite is available |
| 13:26.12 | abrotman | i thikn it's a british thing |
| 13:26.17 | npx | http://www.overclockers.com.au/image.php?pic=articles/296910/ad1.jpg hahahah |
| 13:26.17 | abrotman | paulswm: what is la maudite ? |
| 13:26.24 | jetdotnet | it's beer??? omg! |
| 13:26.29 | tarzeau | [Granger]: what's your uni? |
| 13:26.35 | abrotman | jetdotnet: lambic is a beer .. yes |
| 13:26.36 | [Granger] | tarzeau: www.kth.se |
| 13:26.44 | tarzeau | [Granger]: and how do they justify writing solutions in java is the only allowed? |
| 13:26.58 | jetdotnet | ok... nevermind |
| 13:27.02 | abrotman | npx: you laugh .. i have a friend who paid 5k for his P1-90Mhz |
| 13:27.04 | [Granger] | tarzeau: it's called being lazy |
| 13:27.06 | jetdotnet | (church lady) |
| 13:27.08 | incorrect | is there a way to generate an openssl.cnf? |
| 13:27.11 | [Granger] | I'd much rather do it in C++ |
| 13:27.20 | tarzeau | [Granger]: why not just do it? |
| 13:27.26 | tarzeau | [Granger]: do you think they'll notice? |
| 13:27.38 | [Granger] | when it doesn't compile using javac |
| 13:27.39 | [Granger] | yeah |
| 13:27.42 | tarzeau | [Granger]: i mean if someone is lazy he certainly doesn't fiddle installing java |
| 13:27.42 | [Granger] | hell they'll notice |
| 13:27.58 | tarzeau | [Granger]: ship your own javac script that fakes looking like javac? |
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| 13:28.07 | [Granger] | uhh |
| 13:28.13 | [Granger] | right I'd rather just pass |
| 13:28.50 | rindolf | Hmmm.. with an attitude like that, no wonder Debian has such a bad reputation. I mean, for God's sake, we were discussing female celebrities on #perl two days ago, and nobody cared. Thanks guys! I'll go to #ubuntu or ##linux. |
| 13:28.55 | rindolf | Have a good life. |
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| 13:29.04 | tarzeau | rindolf: debian has not a bad reputation! |
| 13:29.21 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 13:29.27 | [Granger] | ok |
| 13:29.30 | redhut | hi |
| 13:29.30 | [Granger] | what did we do? |
| 13:29.31 | anhi | tarzeau: it's channel ops on most networks have ;) |
| 13:29.39 | tarzeau | [Granger]: we said java is not free software |
| 13:29.48 | [Granger] | it isn't |
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| 13:29.51 | redhut | Hi |
| 13:29.52 | tarzeau | anhi: who cares? |
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| 13:30.04 | jesperj | Hi. |
| 13:30.07 | paulswm | He just got pissy because no-one really gave a crap about his essay |
| 13:30.13 | redhut | are here germans? |
| 13:30.18 | paulswm | !de |
| 13:30.18 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 13:30.25 | redhut | hallo |
| 13:30.27 | abrotman | *sniff* .. he left |
| 13:30.38 | redhut | paulswm: hallo |
| 13:30.41 | mwilson | paulswm: Yes, welll, did you read it? It's tripe. |
| 13:30.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: we won't miss him, will we? |
| 13:30.59 | redhut | ;läö |
| 13:31.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: unless he's going to scrub my underpants .. no |
| 13:31.01 | jesperj | Can someone please explain to me what happens with a machine running testing when sarge becomes stable? Does one do a dist-upgrade then or what do I do to change from testing to stable on the machine... |
| 13:31.06 | paulswm | mwilson: No, I didn't, but now you say it's tripe, I will for the entertainment :) |
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| 13:31.10 | Debian\Pwns | Can anyone tell me how i can add mailboxes on courier? |
| 13:31.20 | abrotman | jesperj: where do your sources point ? |
| 13:31.23 | bbrazil | jesperj: sources.list says 'testing' ? |
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| 13:31.45 | jetdotnet | jesperj: if it says testing in apt sources.list, you'll go to etch. if it says sarge, you'll stay on stable |
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| 13:32.17 | [Granger] | they keep delaying the Sarge release |
| 13:32.26 | jetdotnet | no shit |
| 13:32.30 | tarzeau | jetdotnet: it's not yet stable, but yes it will be |
| 13:32.31 | jetdotnet | :O j/k |
| 13:32.35 | tarzeau | [Granger]: who? |
| 13:32.46 | tarzeau | [Granger]: better go help them fix bugs! |
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| 13:32.57 | [Granger] | tarzeau: with my knowledge of C++ |
| 13:32.59 | snoke | dhcpd set wrong dhcp server ip to client, anyone ? |
| 13:33.01 | tarzeau | [Granger]: it's not like they keep delaying |
| 13:33.02 | [Granger] | I'll probably do more harm than good |
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| 13:33.10 | tarzeau | [Granger]: most of the stuff is NOT c++ |
| 13:33.10 | mono | [Granger], in fdisk i have delete partition number (1-4) does it refering to sda1-4? |
| 13:33.10 | jetdotnet | s/stay\ on/go\ to/ |
| 13:33.13 | tarzeau | [Granger]: it's C |
| 13:33.19 | [Granger] | tarzeau: C/C++ |
| 13:33.26 | [Granger] | that's another thing |
| 13:33.26 | jesperj | abrotman, bbrazil: This machine is not the machine in question so I can't check right now sorry. Perhaps I should have asked when I could have checked. It is a machine running sarge though |
| 13:33.28 | [Granger] | I can read C |
| 13:33.31 | [Granger] | but I can't code it |
| 13:33.32 | tarzeau | [Granger]: only little amount is C++ and don't mix that with C |
| 13:33.39 | tarzeau | [Granger]: it's two completely different things |
| 13:33.43 | jesperj | jetdotnet, "go etch?" |
| 13:33.45 | [Granger] | I'm a C++ developer, not a C one |
| 13:33.51 | abrotman | jesperj: just check /etc/apt/srouces.list .. if you want to stay on sarge .. make sure it sayss sarge |
| 13:33.54 | tarzeau | [Granger]: you don't have to be able to code to fix bugs, #debian-bugs read /topic |
| 13:34.03 | paulswm | mwilson: Yeah, I agree. I also didn't realize that cathedral priests were so aggrssive: "... with canons hurling greek fire." |
| 13:34.06 | jetdotnet | mono: it only does what you loaded it to do... aka fdisk /dev/sda would be sda 1-4 |
| 13:34.20 | tarzeau | [Granger]: you could learn. i like Objective-C |
| 13:34.29 | jasoncohen | abrotman, what package do i have to install for kernel-2.6 on a intel 1.6 ghz mobile chipset? |
| 13:34.30 | jetdotnet | fdisk by itself may be /dev/hda |
| 13:34.30 | mono | jetdotnet, gotcha. so i loaded sda1 therefore it is 1 |
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| 13:34.42 | abrotman | jasoncohen: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 13:34.46 | liable | whats the general consensus, stay sarge, or stay testing, when sarge releases? |
| 13:34.48 | jesperj | abrotman, Ok. And when it points to sarge, it will automatically point to stable when it becomes stable right? |
| 13:34.48 | jetdotnet | mono: you don't load sda1, you load sda |
| 13:34.48 | [Granger] | tarzeau: sure I'll just add that to the pile of 10 books I need to read |
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| 13:34.55 | abrotman | jesperj: yes |
| 13:34.56 | jetdotnet | fdisk /dev/sda |
| 13:34.59 | jesperj | ty |
| 13:35.05 | jetdotnet | you edit thehd |
| 13:35.10 | tarzeau | [Granger]: what's the other books? have you read K&R's C book? |
| 13:35.10 | jetdotnet | the hd |
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| 13:35.28 | jesperj | thank you abrotman, bbrazil and jetdotnet |
| 13:35.30 | [Granger] | tarzeau: I'm a CS major |
| 13:35.35 | [Granger] | I do have schoolwork too |
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| 13:36.03 | jetdotnet | jesperj: yeah etch will be the new name of the testing flavor |
| 13:36.28 | liable | people ^^ |
| 13:36.28 | IDC | :) |
| 13:36.28 | IDC | Good evening |
| 13:36.34 | jetdotnet | morning here, but ok |
| 13:36.36 | paulswm | IDC: good morning |
| 13:36.41 | IDC | brb,working. |
| 13:36.58 | IDC | morning jetdotnet and paulswm |
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| 13:37.21 | jetdotnet | evening idc :) |
| 13:37.37 | SDFH_Linux | i need a good place to get debian logo wallpaper |
| 13:37.43 | liable | IDC: nite here :) |
| 13:37.44 | SDFH_Linux | anyone got link |
| 13:37.52 | tarzeau | SDFH_Linux: www.linuks.mine.nu/jakub/ |
| 13:38.03 | IDC | sdfasfdasdfasdf, http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
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| 13:38.35 | ircdevil | something is wrong with that nick-completion ... |
| 13:38.40 | SDFH_Linux | cool thanks |
| 13:38.42 | IDC | sdfasfdasdfasdf, from there you can go to the users' customized logoes for debian as well |
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| 13:38.52 | raf256 | so it is best to 1) set linux to run the jack server (will it be alsa and oss etc compatible by default) 2) get/write programs using best: jack, alsa, oss (in that order)? |
| 13:38.52 | [Granger] | heh |
| 13:39.09 | mono | jetdotnet, how do i label my external hd? |
| 13:39.18 | SuperSox | mono: with a magic market |
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| 13:39.19 | SuperSox | mono: with a magic marker |
| 13:39.26 | paulswm | Sticky labels |
| 13:39.30 | tarzeau | SuperSox: hehe |
| 13:39.33 | asg | openbsd stickers |
| 13:39.38 | tarzeau | SuperSox: make sure it's uncursed or blessed, right? |
| 13:39.42 | liable | mono: sticker, or felt pen? :) |
| 13:39.45 | paulswm | scratch it with a fork |
| 13:39.49 | tarzeau | asg: stop, i'll fall from the chair laughing |
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| 13:40.02 | incorrect | which is better tinc or openvpn? |
| 13:40.09 | tarzeau | incorrect: both are |
| 13:40.12 | asg | tarzeau: ;) |
| 13:40.24 | incorrect | tarzeau, oh ok |
| 13:40.32 | SuperSox | tarzeau: yeah something like that :] |
| 13:40.33 | mono | Supaplex, hahaha... that so funny!:) |
| 13:40.50 | mono | Supaplex, tell me another |
| 13:40.55 | tarzeau | mono: it really was :) |
| 13:41.12 | mono | tarzeau, i am cracking up here.. i can't take it |
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| 13:41.32 | liable | mono: it'll be usb I would imagine |
| 13:42.12 | spoopin | asg: mornin' |
| 13:42.12 | asg | spoopin: hiya |
| 13:42.12 | spoopin | asg: Kev says hi |
| 13:42.12 | asg | spoopin: you guys have a good night? |
| 13:42.15 | paulswm | what a vaguely unsettling nick |
| 13:42.28 | Zcrump | is there any other way to change resolutions than xf86config-4? |
| 13:42.31 | spoopin | asg: yeah, until I wheezed and fell asleep |
| 13:42.36 | asg | paulswm: it's from a Saki story |
| 13:42.47 | asg | spoopin: ah |
| 13:42.51 | maiosyet | scuse me, I'm in big trouble... my local mysql wan't start :( no logs, and the mysql init script don'w works :( |
| 13:42.54 | liable | Zcrump: other than dpkg? |
| 13:43.05 | asg | maiosyet: what error are you getting? |
| 13:43.10 | Zcrump | dpkg? :P |
| 13:43.14 | paulswm | asg: Ah, I was thinking of similarities to 'rectum' et. al. :P |
| 13:43.17 | maiosyet | asg, no error, this is the problem |
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| 13:43.27 | spoopin | paulswm: Google on 'spoopin's horse' and you'll find the short story |
| 13:43.28 | asg | paulswm: heh, I can see how that might happen. |
| 13:43.51 | maiosyet | asg, the init script don't do anything |
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| 13:44.10 | asg | maiosyet: look at it and see if it is exiting due to a missing file or something? |
| 13:44.26 | liable | Zcrump: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:44.27 | asg | maiosyet: also, make sure you did install mysql-server (mysql and mysql-common won't cut it.) |
| 13:45.03 | maiosyet | asg, i've installed both mysql-server mysql-common and mysql-client |
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| 13:45.09 | maiosyet | now i take a look to the script |
| 13:45.13 | paulswm | spoopin: Heh, very good, I get it now. |
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| 13:46.19 | zirikili | hi all... I am trying to use a PDA with debian but when i try to connect it, I can't see the USB device on my box. what's is wrong? |
| 13:46.36 | maiosyet | asg, it looks ok, but mysqld.sock is not created :( |
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| 13:46.48 | asg | maiosyet: well, mysqld should create it. |
| 13:47.05 | jasoncohen | abrotman, any way to make the startup load in a graphical window? |
| 13:47.14 | asg | maiosyet: check the ownership on /var/run/mysqld |
| 13:47.21 | abrotman | jasoncohen: which desktop do you use ? |
| 13:47.32 | jasoncohen | both at the moment. i use gdm though |
| 13:47.36 | liable | zirikili: look at dmesg |
| 13:47.42 | asg | zirikili: some PDAs just don't work with linux in that way (Dell Axim X30 being a prime example.) |
| 13:47.54 | jasoncohen | i have gdm setup. What i mean is the intitial startup of the computer where it spits out test showing that the machine is loading |
| 13:48.01 | maiosyet | asg, I don't have it 0_o How it's possible!? |
| 13:48.19 | jasoncohen | mdk & fedora have a graphical load screen that can be maximized for more info |
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| 13:48.24 | asg | maiosyet: first, does /usr/sbin/mysqld exist? |
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| 13:48.53 | asg | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 13:48.56 | jasoncohen | holy crap, apt-get clean removed 1 GB of stuff |
| 13:49.03 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 13:49.09 | maiosyet | asg, "mysql" exists, but not the daemon |
| 13:49.16 | asg | maiosyet: then you didn't install mysql-server |
| 13:49.18 | zirikili | liable: usb 1-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB0 ... the same line is shown again for ttyUSB0 but the device does not exist |
| 13:49.18 | incorrect | has tinc 1.0.4 been backported? |
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| 13:49.21 | liable | jasoncohen: how do you lod into x? |
| 13:49.44 | jasoncohen | i use gdm |
| 13:49.50 | asg | maiosyet: apt-get install mysql-server |
| 13:49.51 | zirikili | asg: it is a palm tungsten e |
| 13:49.55 | jasoncohen | i also installed kdm which i haven't tried yet |
| 13:49.58 | Debian\Pwns | Can anyone tell me how i can add mailboxes/user accounts on courier? |
| 13:50.06 | liable | zirikili: can you not just mount it? |
| 13:50.07 | asg | zirikili: oh, hmmm. That should work iirc. /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 13:50.16 | maiosyet | asg, dpkg -s mysql-server returns that I installed it :/ |
| 13:50.21 | abrotman | #courier |
| 13:50.29 | Debian\Pwns | sweet |
| 13:50.32 | Debian\Pwns | cheers |
| 13:50.32 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 13:50.36 | asg | abrotman: danke |
| 13:50.40 | abrotman | asg: you've been drinking all week! |
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| 13:50.51 | asg | maiosyet: try it again; apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server |
| 13:50.58 | maiosyet | ok |
| 13:51.00 | liable | !beer me |
| 13:51.02 | asg | abrotman: indeed, and have no plans to stop until monday. |
| 13:51.07 | liable | sweet |
| 13:51.09 | abrotman | jetdotnet: btw http://www.unibroue.com/products/maudite.cfm |
| 13:51.21 | abrotman | asg: oh dear .. hopefully the wife is out of town :) |
| 13:51.23 | zirikili | liable: yeah... it needs a /dev/pilot ... but I dont know where to point that synlink |
| 13:51.31 | asg | abrotman: no, she was working all week though. |
| 13:51.40 | abrotman | asg: sucker ... :) |
| 13:51.53 | asg | abrotman: I drink a lot but it's not like I get stupid or anything. |
| 13:51.54 | liable | asg: what, you'll stop om monday :( |
| 13:52.03 | abrotman | asg: cause you already are? :) |
| 13:52.06 | asg | liable: work begins anew on monday |
| 13:52.15 | asg | abrotman: something like that. |
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| 13:52.36 | liable | hah, but what about monday night |
| 13:53.13 | asg | liable: try to take over the world? |
| 13:53.18 | ali | hi everyone, how can i define a version to install for multiple packages?? |
| 13:53.23 | liable | hehe |
| 13:53.29 | jasoncohen | abrotman, any way to get debian to mount my windows partition? |
| 13:53.35 | jasoncohen | without doing it manually |
| 13:53.36 | liable | why not |
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| 13:53.53 | abrotman | jasoncohen: fat or ntfs ? |
| 13:53.58 | jasoncohen | ntfs |
| 13:54.06 | abrotman | jasoncohen: read is ok . writing is bad news |
| 13:54.22 | ali | jasoncohen: add your entries to /etc/fstab |
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| 13:54.34 | jasoncohen | yeah- i know- but debian didn't put it in fstab and i'm not sure what partition # it's on |
| 13:54.38 | jasoncohen | i have /dev/hda1-9 |
| 13:54.45 | qeed | is there any apt repository that has amule? |
| 13:54.55 | jasoncohen | is there a graphical partition manager? i could figure it out there |
| 13:54.56 | ali | qeed: unstable |
| 13:54.57 | qeed | that isnt ubuntu |
| 13:54.59 | qeed | hmm |
| 13:55.02 | qeed | not in the testing |
| 13:55.03 | qeed | :s |
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| 13:55.21 | ali | jasoncohen: qparted |
| 13:55.22 | qeed | i never run from unstable ;x |
| 13:55.22 | jasoncohen | does ubuntu have their own packages or do they just steal debian packages? |
| 13:55.23 | maiosyet | asg, I downgrade to mysql 4.0: now the script works, but mysqld.sock is still not created |
| 13:55.32 | abrotman | jasoncohen: a little of both |
| 13:55.32 | qeed | i think they have some of there own |
| 13:55.34 | asg | maiosyet: oh, you were using 4.1? |
| 13:55.36 | qeed | like gnome |
| 13:55.40 | qeed | newer gnome than debian |
| 13:55.47 | maiosyet | asg, yes, it was a bad idea? :/ |
| 13:56.02 | jasoncohen | abrotman, is their any advantage to ubuntu? |
| 13:56.08 | liable | jasoncohen: what are you doing? |
| 13:56.09 | asg | maiosyet: no but you need the mysql-*-4.1 packages, not mysql-* |
| 13:56.17 | abrotman | jasoncohen: none that i care about |
| 13:56.23 | qeed | easiness mostly |
| 13:56.26 | liable | jasoncohen: no, debian rules all :) |
| 13:56.29 | qeed | but that doesnt help much |
| 13:56.33 | ZaFiL | Hi everybody : i have a friend which is connected to my computer, and I want to get his IP, but when I make a "netstat -e -v --numeric-host" it doesn't return the entire ip adress, it just return 3 number out of 4. Waht the fuck ? |
| 13:56.36 | abrotman | jasoncohen: newer gnome and xorg .. if those matter .. then use it |
| 13:56.44 | abrotman | ZaFiL: a friend eh ? |
| 13:56.52 | asg | ZaFiL: try who(1) |
| 13:56.53 | jasoncohen | liable, i'm trying to find out the exact partition name of my windows partition so i can mount it |
| 13:56.55 | ZaFiL | a friend, he is connected on ssh :) |
| 13:57.05 | ZaFiL | sorry, on sftp |
| 13:57.06 | abrotman | we all have "friends" |
| 13:57.10 | liable | jasoncohen: fdisk -l |
| 13:57.14 | cahoot | ZaFiL: last |
| 13:57.15 | jasoncohen | abrotman, but what's with the no root crap? |
| 13:57.29 | abrotman | jasoncohen: dunno .. i don't use it |
| 13:57.37 | jasoncohen | found it |
| 13:57.38 | ali | jasoncohen: fdisk /dev/hda |
| 13:57.51 | liable | jasoncohen: ntfs? |
| 13:57.52 | ep | Bill Gates is my friend. |
| 13:57.55 | ali | jasoncohen: and then p |
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| 13:57.56 | jasoncohen | liable, yes |
| 13:57.57 | drac | jasoncohen: sudo is hardly a crap. |
| 13:57.57 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/device works to find it too :) |
| 13:57.58 | ZaFiL | last doesn't return an ip |
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| 13:58.05 | jasoncohen | qparted was not found by apt-get in testing |
| 13:58.09 | liable | jasoncohen: yah, fdisk -l |
| 13:58.10 | ZaFiL | stib pts/2 lib59-3-82-233-* Sat May 14 13:15 - 13:19 (00:04) |
| 13:58.20 | jasoncohen | /dev/hda1 1 1897 15237621 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 13:59.25 | liable | linux on hdb? |
| 13:59.34 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:59.36 | jasoncohen | ok? |
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| 13:59.57 | liable | linux on another drive? |
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| 14:00.35 | jasoncohen | liable, was that for me? |
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| 14:00.48 | liable | jasoncohen: yep |
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| 14:01.24 | jasoncohen | liable, no- all one one drive. I'm triple booting- Mandrake 2005 LE, Debian testing, and xp for wireless roaming |
| 14:01.26 | ali | any dpkg guru here??? |
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| 14:01.58 | ali | how can version 1.1.6-0pre5 can be less than 1.0.5?? |
| 14:02.14 | tarzeau | ali: less what? |
| 14:02.24 | tarzeau | ali: from the same source? what pkg name? |
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| 14:02.31 | ZaFiL | does somebody have an idea for me ? |
| 14:02.34 | liable | jasoncohen: so you just want to acces ntfs? |
| 14:02.38 | jasoncohen | yes |
| 14:02.39 | ali | tarzeu: from differents sources |
| 14:02.53 | ali | tarzeu: mono |
| 14:03.08 | liable | jasoncohen: standard kernel? |
| 14:03.20 | jasoncohen | yes |
| 14:03.28 | jasoncohen | i just installed 2.6.8 |
| 14:03.31 | tarzeau | ali: ouf |
| 14:03.33 | tarzeau | !myass |
| 14:03.33 | dpkg | somebody said myass was http://jovan.ru/pics/even-more-crap/Bender.jpg |
| 14:03.39 | aardvark | !any ideas |
| 14:03.39 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little thermal paste, and a dozen starving oxen. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 14:03.49 | jasoncohen | i already can see the files so i guess it has ntfs support unlike fedora by default |
| 14:04.11 | aardvark | if i do dd if=/dev/sda of=blabla.img ; dd if=blabla.img of=/dev/sda , the result should be identical disks, right? |
| 14:04.22 | tarzeau | can you guess what that is? http://www.goodvibes.com/graphics/museum/1931/universal_g1uv_7-01.jpg |
| 14:04.27 | ali | tarzeu: debian.meeby.net has 1.1.6-0pre5 and unstable 1.0.5 |
| 14:04.39 | smacnay__ | funny, my canon bjc4000 is supposed to print USletter size but the right margin is off the page. In A4 size the right margin is fine but bottom is off the page (as expected). I just hand-altered all my .ppd settings for USletter to have the same right margin paramater as the A4 param and now it prints properly. Bizarre. |
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| 14:04.56 | tarzeau | ali: and you got d.m.n listed in your sources.list ? |
| 14:04.57 | smacnay__ | maybe my USletter paper was thrown in the wash and shrunk in width. |
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| 14:05.05 | ali | tarxeu: yes |
| 14:05.13 | liable | jasoncohen: fdisk -l should show more than what you showed |
| 14:05.16 | ali | tarzeau: yes |
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| 14:05.35 | banan | hello |
| 14:05.40 | tarzeau | ali: you know you can type tar then press tabulator key? |
| 14:05.40 | jasoncohen | liable, i just pasted the relevant portion |
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| 14:05.51 | tarzeau | banan: your nick reminds me of a fruit |
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| 14:06.12 | liable | well, derr, do to /mnt/windows |
| 14:06.16 | banan | it is a name of a fruit tarzeau :-) |
| 14:06.24 | ali | tarzeau, thx for that |
| 14:06.34 | ali | tarzeau: :-) |
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| 14:06.53 | liable | hehe whos the derr? |
| 14:06.57 | jasoncohen | liable, i didn't ask anything. I've already mounted it. |
| 14:06.59 | Borg^Queen | Hey people I'm trying to add ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ to my sources list but I don't know what the proper syntax is. I'm putting it in as deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ pool main but it complains |
| 14:07.15 | asg | Borg^Queen: apt-setup |
| 14:07.16 | liable | jasoncohen: ok, whats the Q |
| 14:07.18 | tarzeau | banan: this? http://web.telia.com/~u68005395/fun/Banan.jpg |
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| 14:07.24 | Borg^Queen | asg: thanks |
| 14:07.33 | ali | tarzeau: only way i found to install latest mono (without specifying the version for all the pkgs) was to remove unstable from sources.list |
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| 14:07.51 | banan | tarzeau, sort of *gg* |
| 14:07.57 | jasoncohen | liable, i can't access it as a user |
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| 14:08.14 | jasoncohen | i did chown jason:jason /mnt/windows and chmod 755 /mnt/windows but i can't access it |
| 14:08.21 | ali | Borg^Queen: remove the pool, add the branch and the subcomponents |
| 14:08.25 | liable | jasoncohen: ahh, -o users,umask=000 |
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| 14:08.43 | ali | Borg^Queen: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 14:08.46 | cisno | how do i access my cd-drive in shell?? |
| 14:09.01 | maiosyet | asg, you had reason :D i installed mysql-server 4.1 but mysql-* 4.0 :// thanks :) |
| 14:09.05 | ali | cisno: mount /cdrom |
| 14:09.06 | tarzeau | cisno: mount /cdrom && cd /cdrom ? |
| 14:09.19 | ali | cisno: if it is defined in /etc/fstab |
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| 14:09.33 | cisno | oh, thank you |
| 14:09.33 | pol_ | anyone could suggest me how to convert an audio track in .mp3? |
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| 14:10.01 | defkewl | pol: from what? .cda ? |
| 14:10.02 | ali | cisno: if not you have to specify the device to mount Ex: mount /dev/hdb /cdrom |
| 14:10.08 | banan | i've recently started to experiment with debian, and found that util-linux is somewhat different from other distributions at least gentoo's. I can't get losetup to work with a aes-256 cryptodevice any suggestions? |
| 14:10.31 | liable | jasoncohen: umount it, then remount with those options, or read 'man mount' :) |
| 14:10.32 | prodope | where do i set COLUMNS=150 so my terminal is always that wide? |
| 14:10.33 | Borg^Queen | ali thanks |
| 14:10.45 | jasoncohen | liable, thanks- i now have my windows & mandrake home mounted and readable by my debian user |
| 14:10.45 | pol_ | yes I don't remember the application name |
| 14:11.02 | liable | jasoncohen: fixed? |
| 14:11.05 | asg | maiosyet: you're welcome |
| 14:11.06 | jasoncohen | yup |
| 14:11.10 | tarzeau | prodope: depends on your $SHELL |
| 14:11.12 | liable | sweey :) |
| 14:11.17 | liable | sweet |
| 14:11.20 | tarzeau | prodope: you don't really want to do so |
| 14:11.20 | prodope | tarzeau: using bash |
| 14:11.27 | tarzeau | prodope: it will break more than you think |
| 14:11.28 | cisno | ali: it says its not valid block device |
| 14:11.29 | jasoncohen | liable, now it's time to reconfigure mythtv |
| 14:11.34 | defkewl | pol: gnome roast |
| 14:11.44 | prodope | tarzeau: really? why? |
| 14:11.44 | liable | hehe, no help from me :) |
| 14:12.09 | pol_ | defkewl __--- THAKS |
| 14:12.21 | jasoncohen | liable, heh- no help needed |
| 14:12.27 | ali | cisno: you have to find the correct device for you drive, dmesg | grep hd should help you |
| 14:12.48 | jasoncohen | i'm making my home a networked media center connected to my 550 GB fileserver/mythtv backend with 2 tuners |
| 14:13.11 | jasoncohen | the power of linux (and mythtv) :) |
| 14:13.12 | liable | jasoncohen: yah, thats what they all say :) |
| 14:13.55 | jasoncohen | just configuring mythtv using mythweb |
| 14:14.00 | jasoncohen | next i have to setup openvpn |
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| 14:14.25 | liable | jasoncohen: I thought you were mounting ntfs? |
| 14:14.37 | jasoncohen | already done...time to do new things |
| 14:14.48 | cisno | ali: yes it says its make is quantum althogh cd-drive is philips |
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| 14:15.03 | liable | ok |
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| 14:15.09 | jasoncohen | it will be mounted on startup with mount -a right? |
| 14:15.46 | liable | jasoncohen: dunno, I am not sure what you are doing |
| 14:16.06 | ali | cisno: and what hdx it reports?? |
| 14:16.13 | jasoncohen | i just put /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs users,umask=000 0 0 in fstab |
| 14:16.14 | piantux | hello everybody is there an eqqqivalent f cooktop in gnu linux? |
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| 14:16.25 | ali | cisno: i'm assuming your drive isn't scsi |
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| 14:16.45 | liable | jasoncohen: try manually doing it |
| 14:16.50 | tarzeau | piantux: a what? |
| 14:17.15 | jasoncohen | liable, i already did so and can access it. i just want to know if it'll start on boot |
| 14:17.18 | jasoncohen | or do you mean to do mount -a |
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| 14:17.22 | cisno | ali: thank you for your advices! it works now as hdd |
| 14:17.32 | liable | jasoncohen: no, it should work |
| 14:17.38 | jasoncohen | ok |
| 14:17.40 | ali | cisno: :-) |
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| 14:18.00 | liable | jasoncohen: i am easily confused :( |
| 14:18.07 | piantux | cooktop editor |
| 14:18.29 | liable | after 10 beers :) |
| 14:18.45 | piantux | or xml/wmlspy |
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| 14:20.11 | Borg^Queen | thanks people. |
| 14:20.27 | cisno | ali: there seems to be another problem, cd won't come out |
| 14:20.39 | asg | cisno: man eject |
| 14:21.10 | asg | cisno: also, make sure to umount the filesystem before using eject. |
| 14:21.18 | ali | cisno: you have to unmount it |
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| 14:21.27 | cisno | oh |
| 14:22.04 | bbrazil | eject will unmount it for you |
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| 14:22.58 | liable | not always :( |
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| 14:23.34 | cisno | no such thing as eject |
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| 14:23.39 | asg | cisno: apt-get install eject |
| 14:23.54 | cisno | of course =) |
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| 14:24.58 | abrotman | hrm .. varanger left .. i was showering |
| 14:25.50 | jasoncohen | what's the debian.org URL for testing/non-US? |
| 14:25.56 | abrotman | for what? |
| 14:25.57 | liable | tou gotta do what you gotta do :) |
| 14:26.04 | abrotman | jasoncohen: there's not much left in there |
| 14:26.05 | liable | fuck |
| 14:26.07 | abrotman | !non-us |
| 14:26.07 | dpkg | i heard non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". |
| 14:26.12 | jasoncohen | abrotman, so i shouldn't bother? |
| 14:26.19 | liable | you |
| 14:26.24 | abrotman | jasoncohen: i've been using sarge for a while .. i still don't have it :) |
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| 14:26.54 | abrotman | jasoncohen: as the factoid says .. it doesn't exist .. i thought there were still a few packages there . but i guess not |
| 14:27.29 | jasoncohen | abrotman, i guess that explains why it could find a list for it |
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| 14:28.44 | abrotman | jasoncohen: heh |
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| 14:28.51 | abrotman | i think non-free is pretty empty too |
| 14:29.04 | jasoncohen | it's all in marillat? |
| 14:29.19 | asg | abrotman: they should start duty-free instead |
| 14:29.23 | abrotman | that's just media stuff .. which i don't use either |
| 14:29.30 | meneg | hello, do you know any tool that checks the system directories for files that do not belong to .debs and asks for deletion? |
| 14:29.33 | jasoncohen | marillat is great. I installed the newest version of mplayer, w32codecs, acroread with mozilla integration and all the plugins- very nice |
| 14:29.36 | abrotman | apparently all my dvds are css free or something :) |
| 14:29.38 | asg | meneg: cruft |
| 14:29.43 | meneg | asg: thnks |
| 14:29.57 | jasoncohen | abrotman, mplayer should install libdvdcss for you |
| 14:30.10 | Zeta | css free <- best skills |
| 14:30.20 | jasoncohen | abrotman, oh- your disks are unencrypted |
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| 14:30.24 | jasoncohen | i only have one like that |
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| 14:30.47 | abrotman | jasoncohen: dunno .. but i have a big tv .. why watch them on my laptop ? |
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| 14:31.01 | Zeta | tv-out |
| 14:31.07 | Phated | Because some discs just aren't for the whole family. |
| 14:31.22 | asg | Phated: that's when you ship the whole family to Bolivia |
| 14:31.28 | Zeta | (css free..hehe...is it?) |
| 14:31.39 | jasoncohen | abrotman, when you're away from your big tv :) |
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| 14:31.44 | Phated | asg: You can do that now? |
| 14:31.54 | abrotman | jasoncohen: uhm ... no way! |
| 14:31.54 | quittt | Zeta, ? |
| 14:31.56 | asg | Phated: well, you can try I suppose. |
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| 14:32.04 | liable | Phated: unless you're from tasmania :) |
| 14:32.10 | jasoncohen | why isn't amarok in the multimedia menu in gnome? |
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| 14:32.23 | abrotman | on a side note . i need to look in my fridge more often .. going for OJ and finding milk that expired 2 weeks ago .. wrong |
| 14:32.27 | jasoncohen | neither is mplayer |
| 14:32.32 | jasoncohen | well, gmplayer |
| 14:32.37 | yuan | how can I use gaim-vv |
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| 14:32.51 | asg | abrotman: I always though you could only find OJ on the golf course; I guess I was wrong. |
| 14:33.03 | jak_ | hello. im ahving trouble setting up my 3d. card is Intel Corp. 82852/855GM. i get 30 fps maximum... any hints? do i need an external driver? THX! |
| 14:33.18 | abrotman | jak_: that's not enoguh ? |
| 14:33.57 | jak_ | abrotman: for doing a little openGL programming, its enough.. but for playing/advanced programming, its a little slow... |
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| 14:34.24 | jak_ | tuxracer does not run :) |
| 14:34.25 | abrotman | jak_: same one i have .. works fine in sarge |
| 14:34.39 | jak_ | abrotman: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 14:34.40 | abrotman | 30fps in what app ? |
| 14:34.43 | abrotman | jak_: nope |
| 14:35.08 | jak_ | gltron, games |
| 14:35.13 | abrotman | i used to get more before i reinstalled .. but oh well |
| 14:35.24 | abrotman | jak_: what about in glxgears ? |
| 14:35.24 | jak_ | humm... strange, glxgears shows up with 500 fps... |
| 14:35.36 | abrotman | jak_: that's what i get .. let me try tuxracer |
| 14:35.36 | banan | cu |
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| 14:35.43 | jak_ | is this normal? |
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| 14:35.58 | abrotman | jak_: i thought i used to get about 1000 |
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| 14:36.30 | yuan | ´ó¼ÒºÃ |
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| 14:37.29 | abrotman | jak_: you're right .. something is wrong with mine :) ... shows you how much i play 3d games |
| 14:37.43 | abrotman | jak_: windows ate my laptop .. had to reinstall .. guess it hates me |
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| 14:37.58 | Zeta | hehe |
| 14:38.00 | jak_ | abrotman: me either, i was just interested in the possibility of having 3d support :) |
| 14:38.16 | abrotman | jak_: well .. mine used to work with a standard kernel |
| 14:38.26 | abrotman | standard debian kernel |
| 14:38.29 | jak_ | its called wintendo :) |
| 14:38.42 | Zeta | wintendo? |
| 14:39.09 | jak_ | Zeta: somebody recently called windows "wintendo"... |
| 14:39.18 | Zeta | craps |
| 14:39.36 | Zeta | (m$ sucks) |
| 14:39.47 | abrotman | jak_: glxinfo ? |
| 14:40.02 | jak_ | abrotman: lot of output :) |
| 14:40.08 | jak_ | abrotman: what dyou wanna hear? |
| 14:40.17 | abrotman | jak_: direct rendering |
| 14:40.25 | schippes | how can wintendo be architecture-indipendent sloe ? |
| 14:40.27 | abrotman | mine says no |
| 14:40.30 | schippes | slow |
| 14:40.35 | jak_ | abrotman: mine too |
| 14:40.48 | abrotman | jak_: could have sworn it said yes a few weeks ago |
| 14:40.56 | jak_ | abrotman: haha |
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| 14:41.09 | jak_ | abrotman: yeah, computers are magic machines, i know :) |
| 14:41.10 | abrotman | jak_: damn it .. i wanted to play PS2 .. and now i'm gonna spend all morning dicking around with DRI :) |
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| 14:41.19 | jak_ | haha |
| 14:41.37 | jak_ | abrotman: there is a ps2 emu for linux? c00l... |
| 14:41.46 | abrotman | jak_: right .. |
| 14:41.47 | jak_ | abrotman: i like dosbox :) |
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| 14:42.01 | Xinux | dude |
| 14:42.07 | Xinux | where are you gonna get ps2 roms eh? |
| 14:42.15 | Xinux | it would take forever to DL them |
| 14:42.30 | Zeta | buy a PS/2 |
| 14:42.50 | abrotman | i have one ... |
| 14:42.56 | Xinux | thats not what a Emulator does tho |
| 14:42.59 | Zeta | me too |
| 14:43.05 | abrotman | jak_: dri.sf.net has some trouble shooting stuff |
| 14:43.21 | jak_ | abrotman: kay, gonna take a look... |
| 14:44.11 | jak_ | abrotman: humm... when i start glxgears, my cpu goes wild ... |
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| 14:44.32 | abrotman | jak_: software rendering |
| 14:44.38 | abrotman | jak_: IBM laptop ? |
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| 14:44.50 | jak_ | abrotman: yeah, x40 |
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| 14:45.04 | abrotman | jak_: G40 here |
| 14:45.24 | jak_ | abrotman: is thereis htere a cohesion? |
| 14:45.29 | abrotman | jak_: start with dmesg |
| 14:45.38 | abrotman | jak_: no .. we're probably both just stupid :) |
| 14:45.46 | Xinux | i can't have a graphics card in linux until i install a new gfx card |
| 14:46.06 | Xinux | becuz my GFX card doesn't have any linux drivers for it |
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| 14:46.43 | abrotman | why not ? |
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| 14:46.56 | Xinux | cuz my GFX card is really outdated |
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| 14:48.00 | abrotman | how outdated is it? |
| 14:48.05 | Xinux | over 3 years |
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| 14:48.56 | daisuke | where can i put a script to set LD_PRELOAD for all X apps? |
| 14:49.05 | cg0def | I have a selection file that I am trying to use as a list of packages to be installed |
| 14:49.07 | abrotman | jak_: gnome user ? |
| 14:49.08 | Eclipser | bah, my voodoo 3 2000 isn't outdated :) |
| 14:49.09 | cg0def | how do I do that? |
| 14:49.27 | jak_ | abrotman: no... |
| 14:49.27 | Xinux | it doesn't matter tho |
| 14:49.31 | Xinux | im getting a new one today |
| 14:49.33 | jak_ | abrotman: windowmaker |
| 14:49.49 | abrotman | jak_: do you have the DRI section in your config? |
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| 14:49.56 | abrotman | and is your /dev/agpgart 660 ? |
| 14:50.10 | Xinux | abrotman: is there anything else to know about GFX cards besides the port (i already know that). |
| 14:50.12 | Xinux | ? |
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| 14:50.29 | abrotman | Xinux: what kind of card do you have ? CL .. trident .. S3 ? |
| 14:50.35 | jak_ | abrotman: double yes |
| 14:50.38 | Xinux | ATI |
| 14:50.42 | abrotman | jak_: same here |
| 14:50.43 | Zeta | no |
| 14:50.45 | abrotman | Xinux: what's wrong with that ? |
| 14:51.01 | Zeta | matrox |
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| 14:51.19 | Xinux | abrotman: I wanna know if there is some details I should know about before upgrading my graphics card. |
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| 14:51.32 | ralf | how can I install sarge on a pc without a cdrom drive? |
| 14:51.35 | Xinux | All I know about upgrading graphics card is PCI. |
| 14:51.36 | abrotman | Xinux: my question is .. what kind of ATI card to you have ? |
| 14:51.40 | abrotman | !tell ralf about sarge floppies |
| 14:51.51 | asg | cg0def: try "apt-get -y install $(tr '\n' ' ' <file.with.one.package.name.per.line)" |
| 14:51.53 | abrotman | ralf: there are other ways too |
| 14:51.56 | Xinux | abrotman: ATI Rage 32mb PRO (PCI) |
| 14:52.07 | asg | cg0def: s/-y/-u/ |
| 14:52.08 | abrotman | no dri for that ? |
| 14:52.11 | ralf | abrotman, thanks |
| 14:52.13 | Xinux | nope |
| 14:52.24 | jak_ | btw. anybody knows if i can use debian for my old 386? |
| 14:52.26 | Xinux | the ati drivers are for Radeon 7000+ |
| 14:52.35 | abrotman | jak_: how much ram ? |
| 14:52.48 | jak_ | abrotman: humm... good question.. not too much? :) |
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| 14:52.56 | abrotman | jak_: more than 12 or less ? |
| 14:53.05 | exerd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:53.17 | abrotman | exerd: from where ? |
| 14:53.33 | jak_ | abrotman: humm.. again, good question (i dont have it right here...) |
| 14:53.34 | exerd | abrotman, unstable |
| 14:53.37 | abrotman | !dbugs 308783 |
| 14:53.44 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 14:53.47 | dpkg | #308783:G[libxpm4] problems with s_popen (CAN-2004-0914) (security) Thu, 12 May 2005 11:03:05 UTC |
| 14:54.01 | abrotman | exerd: seems a security issue .. why ? |
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| 14:54.34 | exerd | abrotman, i got that message when doing apt-get upgrade |
| 14:54.47 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
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| 14:54.52 | paulswm | jak: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch02s05.html |
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| 14:55.09 | exerd | abrotman, i got scared the system would crash =) |
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| 14:55.27 | jak_ | paulswm: ok, thanks... that wont work out :) |
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| 14:56.02 | cg0def | asg: I know dpkg had a small guide on th etopic but can't make it display the thing |
| 14:56.18 | jasoncohen | i got my default resolution back- 1400x1050 |
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| 14:56.44 | asg | cg0def: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 14:56.45 | jasoncohen | it wasn't a choice in the config tool but i just had to change XFree86Config4 to "1400x1050" |
| 14:56.54 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:56.55 | trackium | hello ! somebody knows if i can add a graphic driver to the kernel during the install of my debian ??? |
| 14:57.09 | suifur | trackium: during install? no |
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| 14:57.34 | cg0def | asg: thanks |
| 14:57.55 | abrotman | hrm .. maybe that didn't do it |
| 14:58.01 | trackium | how can i do so.... because i have an ATI radeon 9700 and when i make an install, after reboot debian can't display anything |
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| 14:58.24 | Xinux | get a ATI Linux Driver |
| 14:58.29 | Xinux | from ati.com |
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| 14:58.56 | suifur | trackium: nah, use this one... lemme find it |
| 14:58.58 | trackium | yes i think so but WHEN can i add it to my debian ? |
| 14:59.04 | cg0def | trackium: use ati driver untill you get the ati bin working |
| 14:59.16 | jasoncohen | that's awesome, you can change the gtk theme from within kde |
| 14:59.16 | suifur | trackium: you can add it after you've installed the system |
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| 14:59.19 | jasoncohen | i never could do that in mandrake |
| 14:59.23 | suifur | lol |
| 14:59.31 | jasoncohen | hey sulan |
| 14:59.31 | Xinux | lol... |
| 14:59.35 | cg0def | trackium: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 14:59.39 | suifur | trackium: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 14:59.41 | suifur | doh |
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| 14:59.45 | cg0def | lol first |
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| 14:59.51 | jasoncohen | woops- hey suifur (i did auto-complete too soon) |
| 15:00.01 | suifur | jasoncohen: lol, how you like debian? |
| 15:00.03 | trackium | After install ? |
| 15:00.23 | jasoncohen | suifur, it's great |
| 15:00.24 | suifur | trackium: yup |
| 15:00.36 | jasoncohen | suifur, nice and quick and it has every package imaginable. I just love apt-get |
| 15:00.46 | [Granger] | heh |
| 15:00.49 | trackium | suifur> but after install i can't take hand on the system |
| 15:00.49 | [Granger] | not every package |
| 15:00.50 | [Granger] | but close |
| 15:01.01 | suifur | trackium: get familiar with CLI, its good for you |
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| 15:01.19 | jasoncohen | [Granger], lol, the difference between FC3 and debian is astounding in # of packages |
| 15:01.22 | trackium | i am always in CLI ... lol |
| 15:01.25 | suifur | jasoncohen: i'm glad you think so ;) I may be an op in the other room but I haven't used MDK since 9.0 and that was only briefly lol |
| 15:01.32 | cg0def | jasoncohen: yeah |
| 15:01.43 | [Granger] | the difference between FC3 and Debian |
| 15:01.45 | [Granger] | is that one's an OS |
| 15:01.46 | suifur | trackium: so browse that site with lynx/links then download the deb file, install it and go from there |
| 15:01.50 | [Granger] | the other's an excuse for one |
| 15:01.51 | jasoncohen | suifur, though i think the debian people should have thought a bit more about the KDE and gnome menus |
| 15:01.51 | trackium | its the graphic side that make a problem here |
| 15:01.52 | cg0def | jasoncohen: and that is not counting the ones in unofficial apts |
| 15:01.58 | jasoncohen | i must have 300 menu entries |
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| 15:02.06 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 15:02.13 | [Granger] | hmm |
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| 15:02.15 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16756 packages, 1518 maintainers, 33379 MB installed size, 10738 MB compressed size. |
| 15:02.20 | jasoncohen | cg0def, i'm using testing main contrib non-free and marillat main |
| 15:02.21 | suifur | jasoncohen: heh, I mainly just use RHEL/RHEL-based and debian stuff, thats about it |
| 15:02.24 | jasoncohen | should i add anything else? |
| 15:02.26 | trackium | can i have access to the CLI even my gprahic card is'nt recognized ? |
| 15:02.30 | [Granger] | abrotman: how big is your typical debian mirror? |
| 15:02.42 | suifur | trackium: yup |
| 15:02.45 | abrotman | [Granger]: for all architectures and parts of debian ? |
| 15:02.52 | [Granger] | yeah |
| 15:02.59 | cg0def | jasoncohen: yeha so am I plus a couple of other ones that the software maintainers made |
| 15:02.59 | jasoncohen | oh and i added unstable sources so i can install individual unstable apps- for example i have gaim 1.3.0 and firefox 1.0.4 installed currently |
| 15:03.02 | [Granger] | well... jsut the current |
| 15:03.05 | cg0def | jasoncohen: like for leafpad |
| 15:03.08 | [Granger] | stable, testing, unstable |
| 15:03.11 | [Granger] | just* |
| 15:03.12 | abrotman | [Granger]: it's a sick amount .. figure 11 architectures .. 3 parts of debian .. so .. maybe 150GB ? |
| 15:03.20 | suifur | jasoncohen: heh, I use Sarge on my server and RHEL on my desktops |
| 15:03.25 | [Granger] | heh 150gb |
| 15:03.30 | [Granger] | that's not a lot |
| 15:03.32 | jasoncohen | 30 GB x11 = 330 |
| 15:03.43 | [Granger] | I could still mirror that |
| 15:03.45 | suifur | well at home anyway, at work we're all RHEL except for our mail server |
| 15:03.46 | [Granger] | which is scary :/ |
| 15:03.50 | trackium | <suifur> okay ... you can explain me how please ? |
| 15:03.54 | abrotman | [Granger]: it could be a lot more .. i'm not sure .. they have numbers on it somewhere |
| 15:03.55 | jasoncohen | !dstats sarge |
| 15:03.56 | suifur | trackium: explain how...? |
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| 15:04.02 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15764 packages, 1474 maintainers, 28605 MB installed size, 9087 MB compressed size. |
| 15:04.11 | asg | [Granger]: look at snapshot.debian.net (every package version released since around 2002) |
| 15:04.11 | [Granger] | hmm |
| 15:04.14 | abrotman | woody is much smaller |
| 15:04.18 | abrotman | !dstats woody |
| 15:04.19 | Phated | Heheh. |
| 15:04.20 | trackium | how to display the CLI after the debian install |
| 15:04.23 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on woody... 8969 packages, 985 maintainers, 13431 MB installed size, 4303 MB compressed size. |
| 15:04.24 | abrotman | !dstats potato |
| 15:04.24 | cg0def | jasoncohen: the really funny thing is that gentoo people brag all the time that they have the largest repository when it barelly reaches 9000 pkgs |
| 15:04.29 | jasoncohen | sarge is 2x the size of woody |
| 15:04.32 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on potato... 4305 packages, 541 maintainers, 5097 MB installed size, 1799 MB compressed size. |
| 15:04.33 | suifur | trackium: boot the system? mine boots to cli... |
| 15:04.42 | jasoncohen | cg0def, yeah, and it only takes 3 weeks to install! |
| 15:04.47 | cg0def | lol |
| 15:04.48 | cg0def | more |
| 15:04.49 | Xinux | !dstats Xinux |
| 15:04.49 | jasoncohen | !dstats sid |
| 15:04.53 | jasoncohen | sid is even larger |
| 15:04.53 | trackium | yes but the system doesn't display anything ! |
| 15:04.53 | chilly | mepis is smaller |
| 15:04.56 | Zeta | CLI fans |
| 15:04.57 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16756 packages, 1518 maintainers, 33379 MB installed size, 10738 MB compressed size. |
| 15:04.59 | Xinux | !dstats Xinux |
| 15:05.00 | jasoncohen | lol, has anyone done a FULL install of debian? |
| 15:05.02 | abrotman | chilly: wrong channel |
| 15:05.08 | suifur | trackium: hmmm, dunno then, it should show something regardless |
| 15:05.10 | asg | jasoncohen: someone on planet.debian.org did last week |
| 15:05.11 | [Granger] | jasoncohen: not possible |
| 15:05.17 | chilly | debian |
| 15:05.19 | [Granger] | half the packages conflict with each other |
| 15:05.21 | jasoncohen | [Granger], why not? |
| 15:05.21 | cg0def | !dstats sarge |
| 15:05.24 | suifur | there's conflicting dependencies |
| 15:05.28 | chilly | mepis is debian |
| 15:05.30 | asg | chilly: no |
| 15:05.35 | abrotman | chilly: not even close |
| 15:05.35 | jasoncohen | wouldn't that make for a damn slow system? |
| 15:05.36 | suifur | no, mepis is NOT debian |
| 15:05.37 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15764 packages, 1474 maintainers, 28605 MB installed size, 9087 MB compressed size. |
| 15:05.41 | suifur | just like Ubuntu is not debian |
| 15:05.43 | [Granger] | umm |
| 15:05.45 | cg0def | chilly: no it's based on debian |
| 15:05.49 | Xinux | ya |
| 15:05.50 | cg0def | chilly: like ubuntu |
| 15:05.51 | defkewl | MEPIS is debian based :D |
| 15:05.52 | [Granger] | how about we stop abusing the bot |
| 15:05.53 | abrotman | jasoncohen: some conflict . you can't have postfix and exim installed at the same time etc |
| 15:05.54 | Xinux | chilly, debian based |
| 15:05.55 | trackium | <suifur> i have installed several distribs but the only one who works is mandrake |
| 15:06.05 | suifur | trackium: dunno then |
| 15:06.08 | [Granger] | abrotman: actually if you install the harden package |
| 15:06.13 | [Granger] | it'll throw everything you don't use out |
| 15:06.16 | trackium | dunno ? |
| 15:06.18 | chilly | debian is debian |
| 15:06.22 | asg | !debian based |
| 15:06.22 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 15:06.23 | jasoncohen | does anyone know if debian will automount a usb key with kernel 2.6?> |
| 15:06.23 | [Granger] | so that makes it impossible to install ALL of it |
| 15:06.24 | Zeta | hehe good idea |
| 15:06.26 | defkewl | trackium: don't start the flame |
| 15:06.34 | [Granger] | because as soon as you install harden it'd throw out what you just put in |
| 15:06.42 | suifur | !d-i |
| 15:06.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 15:06.46 | suifur | :) |
| 15:07.00 | suifur | jasoncohen: its done it for me in gnome before |
| 15:07.03 | jasoncohen | [Granger], well, yum or urpmi would just fail...apt-get would just install the important packages and what it was able to, correct? |
| 15:07.12 | Zeta | I only use base on LFS distro |
| 15:07.30 | suifur | jasoncohen: heh, newest yum works best |
| 15:07.33 | asg | jasoncohen: check the articles on debian-administration.org |
| 15:07.49 | chilly | just cause i aint got pure debian an just mepis does that meen i'm excluded from this chat? |
| 15:07.55 | abrotman | jasoncohen: you can set it up to |
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| 15:08.07 | abrotman | chilly: it means we can't help you with mepis |
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| 15:08.19 | asg | chilly: only if your questions cannot be answered due to incompatiblities between mepis and debian |
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| 15:08.47 | Xinux | Mepis's core is pretty much the same as debian. |
| 15:08.52 | jasoncohen | abrotman, is there an a gui app to control what services start on boot? |
| 15:08.55 | trackium | <defkewl> what's the flame ? sorry but i'm french and i don't understand that term |
| 15:08.57 | Xinux | So most questions will work on Mepis. |
| 15:09.07 | Xinux | grr, answers. |
| 15:09.09 | asg | Xinux: but which debian? and is that core frozen? |
| 15:09.19 | chilly | mepis is as close to debian you gonna get but a lot easier to install and set up,all kernal comands ets are the same |
| 15:09.30 | Xinux | ya |
| 15:09.41 | abrotman | jasoncohen: uhm .. i don't think so |
| 15:09.47 | abrotman | chilly: bullshit |
| 15:09.53 | suifur | chilly: we don't care, shut the fuck up |
| 15:09.53 | Xinux | asg: it's based off of debian not stolen |
| 15:09.59 | abrotman | chilly: and since you can't even spell kernel .. you lose credibility :) |
| 15:10.13 | suifur | abrotman: like he had any to start with, he's gone negative now |
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| 15:10.23 | asg | Xinux: I never said it was stolen. I wanted to know which debian snapshot was used for the core and whether that core is frozen or a moving target (like sarge/sid) |
| 15:10.23 | chilly | ok i'll just install debian and find out |
| 15:10.37 | abrotman | right |
| 15:10.38 | Xinux | asg: I have no clue. |
| 15:10.40 | abrotman | !d-i chilly |
| 15:10.41 | dpkg | chilly, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:10.44 | suifur | chilly: good for you, now please have a nice glass of 'shut the ruck up' |
| 15:10.50 | suifur | lmfao |
| 15:10.54 | suifur | s/ruck/fuck |
| 15:10.55 | Xinux | suifer: don't be mean |
| 15:10.59 | jasoncohen | abrotman, so how do i change what services start on boot? |
| 15:11.05 | jasoncohen | hmm, i can use webmin |
| 15:11.07 | chilly | i love you as well |
| 15:11.09 | suifur | Xinux: yessir :( |
| 15:11.14 | asg | jasoncohen: rcconf |
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| 15:11.29 | suifur | jasoncohen: man update-rc.d |
| 15:11.31 | jak_ | jasoncohen: use rcconf |
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| 15:11.36 | SuperSox | !start a war |
| 15:11.36 | dpkg | start a war is, like, GWB says you have WMD!!!! Mwhahaha |
| 15:11.50 | abrotman | jasoncohen: most of us use ln -s and rm |
| 15:11.54 | abrotman | jasoncohen: update-rc.d also |
| 15:12.03 | chilly | wmd as in mepis |
| 15:12.31 | SuperSox | acctually, I was hoping for a wargames quote |
| 15:12.36 | SDFH_Linux | i installed gnome 2.10.1 from experimental and now in the debian menu i got duplicate of everything anyone know why? |
| 15:12.40 | chilly | sos |
| 15:12.44 | abrotman | SuperSox: WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME? |
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| 15:13.04 | SuperSox | Global Thermonuclear War |
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| 15:13.36 | trackium | <suifur>what is dunno ? |
| 15:13.44 | trackium | <suifur>lol |
| 15:13.47 | suifur | trackium: i 'dont know' |
| 15:14.16 | abrotman | SuperSox: CHESS ? |
| 15:14.22 | SuperSox | Global Thermonuclear War |
| 15:14.25 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:14.35 | SuperSox | and so on.. |
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| 15:14.44 | chilly | and on |
| 15:14.46 | trackium | <suifur>you said : "dunno then" |
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| 15:14.57 | jasoncohen | rcconf worked fine |
| 15:15.03 | jasoncohen | i just wanted to turn off apache2 |
| 15:15.04 | abrotman | yay |
| 15:15.10 | suifur | trackium: i know, which means i don't know wtf is wrong with it |
| 15:15.22 | SuperSox | damn, my copy of wargames is at my flat |
| 15:15.34 | trackium | <suifur> ok thx |
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| 15:16.11 | asg | SuperSox: apt-get install bsdgames ; /usr/games/wargames |
| 15:16.20 | dan2 | asg! |
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| 15:16.31 | asg | dan2: morning |
| 15:16.32 | dan2 | asg: I play doom, thats a hell of a lot more fun then those wargames |
| 15:16.35 | dan2 | :) |
| 15:16.43 | takatumi | "Downloaded 618MB in 18h52m46s (9099B/s)." dist-upgrade almost done. |
| 15:16.45 | SuperSox | asg: heh :) |
| 15:16.55 | asg | dan2: :) |
| 15:16.55 | jak_ | godda go. thx and bye |
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| 15:16.58 | dan2 | asg: I played it for the first time in years yesterday, with my headphones, it scared the shit out of me |
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| 15:17.07 | Firzen89 | hi to all! |
| 15:17.09 | dan2 | asg: the headphones make a big difference |
| 15:17.09 | Firzen89 | In file included from os-registry.c:67: |
| 15:17.09 | Firzen89 | /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.18pre21/include/linux/module.h:19: linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory |
| 15:17.09 | Firzen89 | make[2]: *** [os-registry.o] Error 1 |
| 15:17.09 | Firzen89 | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-0.9.769' |
| 15:17.09 | Firzen89 | make[1]: *** [build] Error 2 |
| 15:17.09 | Firzen89 | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-0.9.769' |
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| 15:17.13 | abrotman | yay |
| 15:17.13 | dos000 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:17.15 | asg | dan2: I don't play man games these days. |
| 15:17.20 | abrotman | Firzen89: don't flood |
| 15:17.20 | Firzen89 | ops... |
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| 15:17.23 | Firzen89 | sorry! |
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| 15:17.43 | schrankwand | hi how can i make that a resource is no more busy? |
| 15:17.51 | Firzen89 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:18.00 | sobersabre | schrankwand, which resource ? |
| 15:18.03 | asg | dos000: I'd use inetd if only because you can use tcpwrappers to provide a modicum of extra security. |
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| 15:18.08 | Firzen89 | where can i find the file modversion.h???????? |
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| 15:18.13 | sobersabre | hi. sound prob. here with front panel setup. |
| 15:18.17 | suman | hi all |
| 15:18.18 | sobersabre | via82xx card |
| 15:18.31 | liquid- | hi how do I setup networking in debian? I want to change the eth0's ip adress. |
| 15:18.33 | suman | is there a place where i can find the .deb for dnscache... |
| 15:18.37 | dos000 | asg, i am not sure how i would run inet inside the chrooted env tho ! |
| 15:18.40 | sabin | i'm trying to compile something and it says " error: C++ compiler cannot create executables", what am I missing? |
| 15:18.50 | liquid- | uhm or the way it gets it's ip since it's dhcp now |
| 15:19.02 | sobersabre | VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 15:19.04 | asg | dos000: chroot /path/to/chroot/etc/init.d/inet start |
| 15:19.06 | dos000 | sabin, maybe the executable is running or being used ! |
| 15:19.12 | schrankwand | sobersabre: /procacpi/event |
| 15:19.16 | schrankwand | +/ |
| 15:19.19 | asg | liquid-: edit /etc/network/interfaces ; man 5 interfaces |
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| 15:19.43 | sobersabre | is te file opened exclusively ? |
| 15:19.45 | asg | Firzen89: /msg dpkg modversions.h |
| 15:19.52 | dos000 | asg, is it not going to interfere with the host inet then ? |
| 15:19.55 | chilly | fuck off |
| 15:20.00 | schrankwand | i have the folowwing problem with it |
| 15:20.00 | sobersabre | lsof | grep acpi | grep event |
| 15:20.03 | schrankwand | nb-sebastian:/etc/X11# acpid |
| 15:20.03 | schrankwand | acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy |
| 15:20.11 | liquid- | asg thanks |
| 15:20.15 | sabin | nevermind i found it, thanks anyways |
| 15:20.15 | asg | dos000: well, they will both attempt to listen on the same port unless you configure one to use a different one. Otherwise, they should be fine. |
| 15:20.21 | takatumi | 967 bugs, do you guys usually read all of 'em? |
| 15:20.23 | sobersabre | schrankwand, i've given u how to see who's using it. |
| 15:20.34 | schrankwand | thanks |
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| 15:21.04 | sobersabre | my front out is working ok, but front mic - is not working. |
| 15:21.11 | asg | dos000: you may have to use xinetd (to get more functionality than standard inetd) to do that though. |
| 15:21.18 | m4lu6 | arahg. my personal Packages.gz file, for mypersonal apt repos, shows version xyz.1-3 , but when i do an apt get update on other box, i check the dpkg available file and it shows only version -2. What gives?! |
| 15:21.18 | sobersabre | my rear out is working with 1 chan only, and mic works fine |
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| 15:21.38 | sobersabre | how can i have both stereo out and a mic on 1 side of panel ? |
| 15:21.41 | piantux | anybody knows any WLL simulate tool please |
| 15:21.59 | piantux | in gnulinux of course |
| 15:22.01 | Firzen89 | alsa driver cannot find modversion.h!!!!! |
| 15:22.09 | jasoncohen | damn, there are certainly a lot of webmin plugins |
| 15:22.11 | asg | m4lu6: what does apt-cache policy <pkg> on the other box say? |
| 15:22.18 | jasoncohen | mdk just had a webmin-plugin package |
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| 15:22.28 | m4lu6 | asg: client or server box? |
| 15:22.35 | asg | m4lu6: whichever is listing -2 |
| 15:22.46 | m4lu6 | hrmm. |
| 15:22.47 | m4lu6 | 500 |
| 15:22.49 | piantux | anybody knows any WLL simulate tool please for linux |
| 15:22.49 | asg | m4lu6: make sure to dpkg-scanpackages after adding a new deb to your local repo. |
| 15:22.58 | m4lu6 | asg: yeah, i've done that. |
| 15:23.03 | m4lu6 | and the server side .gz file shows -3 |
| 15:23.10 | m4lu6 | curious. |
| 15:23.22 | asg | m4lu6: and the other does have your repo in it's sources.list? |
| 15:23.31 | SDFH_Linux | how long have you guys been running linux i have since 99 and started on mdk 6.5 |
| 15:23.36 | dos000 | asg, is there a default port xinet istens to ? |
| 15:23.41 | asg | SDFH_Linux: 96 with slackware |
| 15:23.47 | SDFH_Linux | whoa |
| 15:23.50 | SDFH_Linux | 96 |
| 15:24.04 | asg | SDFH_Linux: but I had a unix shell account as early as '93 |
| 15:24.11 | m4lu6 | asg: client box? yeah. deb http://my.server.com/debian unstable mydist |
| 15:24.14 | asg | dos000: for tftpd? grep tftp /etc/services |
| 15:24.20 | asg | m4lu6: hmmm, odd. |
| 15:24.21 | piantux | anybody knows any WLL simulate tool please for linux please! |
| 15:24.24 | SDFH_Linux | 93 |
| 15:24.25 | m4lu6 | i did a successful apt-get install xyz earlier, but updates don't seem to register. |
| 15:24.28 | SDFH_Linux | wow |
| 15:24.28 | asg | !tell piantux about repeat |
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| 15:24.37 | m4lu6 | apparently i'm not following the docs well enough. |
| 15:25.02 | schrankwand | how can i use acpi to enable my bluetooth? |
| 15:25.45 | asg | SDFH_Linux: I remember reading an O'Reilly book where WWW was '...a new and exiting replacement for gopher' and listed in an obscure footnote. |
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| 15:25.55 | Xinux | ATI Radeon 9250 Video Card, PCI, 128MB |
| 15:26.03 | Xinux | gonna be my new video card |
| 15:26.25 | takatumi | asg: how painful was installation back in '96? |
| 15:26.39 | streuner__ | not that much |
| 15:26.40 | dos000 | asg, i just installed xinetd in the chrooted unstabe env and is i see {chargen,daytime,echo,time} in /etc/xinetd.d/ do i just remove them ? i dont seem to need them. |
| 15:26.41 | Indole | I remember the first time I used lynx. I figured that it was kinda neat, but not nearly as useful as the neat and clean menu structure of Gopher. |
| 15:26.45 | asg | takatumi: pretty easy. We just had a hard time figuring out what to install (or not install) |
| 15:26.52 | jasoncohen | what's the program to configure the KDE menu? |
| 15:26.59 | takatumi | asg: heh, sounds like fun. |
| 15:27.02 | asg | dos000: you can if you wish. They exist for RFC compatibility but aren't used. |
| 15:27.03 | streuner__ | asg: hehe :-) |
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| 15:27.39 | asg | takatumi: iirc, we were installing Slackware on a P90 for use as an Internet gateway for MajorBBS. |
| 15:27.39 | streuner__ | takatumi: we had about 50 options to select the videocard... |
| 15:28.01 | dos000 | asg, i just dont want any conflict with the host env. they probably exist in the non chrooted env as we. |
| 15:28.20 | asg | dos000: then remove them if the host already has those enabled in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 15:28.54 | dos000 | asg, could there be any other issues, conflicts with the host you can think of ? |
| 15:29.08 | m4lu6 | arhag. |
| 15:29.18 | asg | dos000: no, should be fine (just avoid port conflicts.) |
| 15:29.20 | m4lu6 | the custom kernel deb installs just fine. upgr.. AHHG. i must drink another beer. |
| 15:29.28 | asg | !d&d |
| 15:29.28 | dpkg | Don't drink and deb. It might make sense to install SID after a few tequila's, but it's one hell of a hangover!, or the (in)famous Dungeons and Dragons pen&paper roleplaying game |
| 15:30.08 | dos000 | asg, thanks ! |
| 15:30.16 | asg | dos000: you're welcome |
| 15:30.32 | [Aaa] | lol |
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| 15:30.49 | [Aaa] | i'm on top |
| 15:30.54 | piantux | why j2sdk refuse to be installed on my debian! |
| 15:31.08 | asg | piantux: /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 15:31.41 | piantux | i don't understand alot since i'm on debain with curious dependences! |
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| 15:32.03 | piantux | especially with non-freepackages |
| 15:32.11 | sobersabre | piantux, there's not much problems with deb deps . |
| 15:32.14 | sobersabre | or dep debs |
| 15:32.15 | sobersabre | ... |
| 15:32.21 | [Aaa] | apt-get install shiraz |
| 15:32.27 | [Aaa] | is that the command to get wine? |
| 15:32.32 | lars| | LOL |
| 15:32.38 | sobersabre | piantux, what do you mean it "refuses" ?!?! |
| 15:32.42 | asg | [Aaa]: no, apt-get install plonk |
| 15:32.47 | takatumi | "(Reading database ... 208966 files and directories currently installed.)" is that a lot? |
| 15:32.58 | asg | takatumi: nah |
| 15:33.00 | piantux | and so why the last version of java the 1.5 one refuse to be installed on debian(testing) |
| 15:33.01 | sobersabre | takatumi, relatively to what ? |
| 15:33.05 | dan2 | takatumi: nope |
| 15:33.10 | dan2 | takatumi: mine has to be in the millions by now |
| 15:33.11 | takatumi | ok :) |
| 15:33.31 | lars| | agree |
| 15:33.33 | simonrvn | asg: nah? i thought i was alone in # of files. hit 230 000+ at one point |
| 15:33.33 | sobersabre | piantux, how does it refuse ? when you run the installer, does it stay still and scream "I refuse" or what ?!?!?! |
| 15:33.45 | asg | takatumi: look on planet.debian.org (a day or so ago, someone installed as many packages as possible and was in the 15 mil range.) |
| 15:33.47 | piantux | yes! |
| 15:33.54 | takatumi | asg: heh |
| 15:33.55 | simonrvn | yikes |
| 15:34.05 | [Aaa] | somebody give the real apt-get install command for wine |
| 15:34.06 | sobersabre | piantux, don bull<addwhatever> me |
| 15:34.12 | dan2 | you know when dpkg gets really slow when you have a billion libraries installed |
| 15:34.13 | asg | simonrvn: asg@rob:~$ cat /var/backups/permissions.bak | wc -l |
| 15:34.13 | asg | 215971 |
| 15:34.14 | lars| | [Aaa] apt-get install wine wine-setup |
| 15:34.17 | piantux | that synaptic who said cann't be installed! curious no? |
| 15:34.21 | dan2 | because each and every single package runs ldconfig over and overagain |
| 15:34.23 | [Aaa] | thank you lars |
| 15:34.27 | lars| | np |
| 15:34.38 | sobersabre | piantux, java is sun sftware. get it there. |
| 15:34.44 | sobersabre | install it not with dpkg. |
| 15:34.57 | sobersabre | but with native java installation procedure |
| 15:35.02 | [Aaa] | lars|: apt-get install wine wine-setup |
| 15:35.04 | [Aaa] | grrf |
| 15:35.08 | simonrvn | eh. so that's how you can find out |
| 15:35.09 | [Aaa] | E: Couldn't find package wine-setup |
| 15:35.13 | sobersabre | unless u need bea java or ibm java |
| 15:35.18 | valdyn | !tell piantux about java-package |
| 15:35.25 | lars| | [Aaa]: hm then its winesetup, or something.. just apt-get install wine |
| 15:35.27 | sobersabre | or blackdown, which is actually sun's java anyways. |
| 15:35.36 | simonrvn | i don't have that file |
| 15:35.38 | lars| | [Aaa]: than ex. wine mirc.exe efter installation |
| 15:35.43 | sobersabre | !tell sobersabre about java-package |
| 15:35.45 | asg | simonrvn: no, that's a custom hack |
| 15:35.46 | lars| | after |
| 15:35.48 | piantux | oh yeah i know it but the 2nd problem is : bad interpreteter and permission denied when i try on konsole |
| 15:36.02 | asg | !i frobbed my perms with chmod |
| 15:36.02 | dpkg | Ouch. In the future, running 'find / \( -name proc -prune \) -o \( -name sys -prune \) -o -name "*" -print0 | xargs -0 ls -ld > /var/backups/permissions.bak' as root from a nightly cronjob will at least allow you to script some recovery. |
| 15:36.05 | asg | simonrvn: ^^^ |
| 15:36.06 | simonrvn | piantux: chmod +x |
| 15:36.14 | piantux | even wwhen i try to install jboss it refused |
| 15:36.25 | simonrvn | ok |
| 15:36.38 | piantux | i know all that but it dosesn't works! |
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| 15:36.53 | sobersabre | piantux, it apears you don't know ALL ... |
| 15:36.58 | piantux | i am not new on linux |
| 15:37.00 | sobersabre | otherwise you weren't here |
| 15:37.04 | dos000 | is there a way i can quickly format a text in vim or gedit ? i am trying to copy text from the web and its coming all wrongy indented. |
| 15:37.05 | asg | simonrvn: I'm getting a wc -l for files on our student email server, this should be a fun amount :) |
| 15:37.08 | sobersabre | right ? |
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| 15:37.54 | asg | dos000: :set paste |
| 15:37.59 | asg | dos000: in vim |
| 15:38.03 | debian31 | olas |
| 15:38.06 | takatumi | this is an upgrade since about 2 months. |
| 15:38.06 | asg | !es |
| 15:38.06 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:38.34 | piantux | yes but there is problem on which i'm blocked since weeks and not anyone gived me a response to this even in my univsersity |
| 15:38.41 | sobersabre | piantux, have you downloaded the java package from sun ? |
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| 15:38.50 | piantux | of course! |
| 15:39.02 | sobersabre | is it sdk or jre ? |
| 15:39.04 | debian31 | hola alguien español |
| 15:39.06 | asg | !es |
| 15:39.06 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:39.08 | asg | dos000: ^^^ |
| 15:39.18 | piantux | jre |
| 15:39.18 | asg | bah |
| 15:39.18 | lars| | he neds sdk |
| 15:39.18 | sobersabre | docs ? |
| 15:39.18 | raf256 | !pl |
| 15:39.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss" |
| 15:39.18 | asg | debian31: ^^^^ |
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| 15:39.20 | lars| | piantux: get sdk |
| 15:39.25 | raf256 | !it |
| 15:39.25 | dpkg | somebody said italian was per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 15:39.50 | piantux | why sdk ? |
| 15:39.55 | BinaryX | hi |
| 15:39.58 | piantux | just need jre! |
| 15:40.16 | piantux | and emacs and that's all ! |
| 15:40.17 | debian31 | alguien español |
| 15:40.20 | dos000 | asg, thanks .. what does ^^^ mean tho ? |
| 15:40.24 | sobersabre | ok, what is ownership&perms for the jre*.bin |
| 15:40.25 | sobersabre | ? |
| 15:40.42 | asg | dos000: it means 'look up' (but I didn't mean to address that to you. Sorry.) |
| 15:40.50 | debian31 | guadalinex la mejor distro debian |
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| 15:40.53 | asg | simonrvn: /dev/sda8 17219584 2080896 15138688 13% /var (should give you some indication of inode usage.) |
| 15:40.59 | BinaryX | i'm trying to install debian woody from cd and i'm having trouble with the ATI Radeon card , KDE and X won't work properly, can anyone help? |
| 15:41.00 | raf256 | I have 2.6.8 kernel, do I have to rebuild it manully to have NTFS access? |
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| 15:41.15 | dos000 | asg, now my text is nicey pasted ! |
| 15:41.20 | asg | BinaryX: woody and new hardware don't mix. I suggest using sarge instead. |
| 15:41.23 | asg | BinaryX: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 15:41.26 | asg | dos000: :) |
| 15:41.27 | BinaryX | ok |
| 15:41.29 | simonrvn | /dev/sdc10 1677312 16080 1661232 1% /var # xfs though, inodes are dynamic |
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| 15:41.45 | simonrvn | 1667072 484848 1182224 30% /var |
| 15:41.53 | asg | simonrvn: that partition stores approximately 100k+ mailboxes. |
| 15:41.55 | debian31 | hola |
| 15:42.13 | simonrvn | asg: i don't have that kind of storage ;) |
| 15:42.17 | asg | debian31: no hablamos espanol aqui, usen #debian-es |
| 15:42.27 | asg | simonrvn: it's only 127G (we have 10Meg quotas.) |
| 15:42.35 | jasoncohen | why doesn't tab auto-complete directory names? |
| 15:42.37 | debian31 | ok gracias |
| 15:42.39 | asg | simonrvn: and, thankfully, only 30% utilization. |
| 15:42.41 | asg | debian31: de nada |
| 15:42.55 | debian31 | #debian-es |
| 15:42.58 | ablet | anyone fimiliar with debmirror? |
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| 15:43.17 | asg | debian31: '/j #debian-es' |
| 15:43.17 | sobersabre | is debian31 a bot ? |
| 15:43.22 | asg | sobersabre: no |
| 15:43.24 | simonrvn | asg: i don't have that kind of storage ;) |
| 15:43.33 | asg | simonrvn: heh, me neither. That's work. |
| 15:43.48 | sobersabre | debian31, how can you tell if "de nada" is in spanish or in portuguese ? :))) |
| 15:43.52 | asg | simonrvn: I only have about 15G between all of my Linux boxen. |
| 15:43.59 | jasoncohen | jasonslaptop:/home/jason# service sshd restart |
| 15:43.59 | jasoncohen | bash: service: command not found |
| 15:44.00 | BinaryX | asg i tried the dpkg d - i |
| 15:44.03 | jasoncohen | how do i restart a service? |
| 15:44.06 | BinaryX | nothing happened |
| 15:44.07 | asg | !tell BinaryX about d-i |
| 15:44.13 | piantux | is it normal that that the last version of kde(3.4) bugs often! |
| 15:44.16 | sobersabre | jasoncohen, wake up!!!! |
| 15:44.18 | debian31 | gracias |
| 15:44.18 | asg | jasoncohen: /etc/init.d/<service> restart |
| 15:44.21 | sobersabre | you are not on RedHat!!! |
| 15:44.44 | spoopin | asg: I like invoke-rc.d ;) |
| 15:44.44 | BinaryX | thanks asg |
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| 15:44.52 | jasoncohen | heh, ok |
| 15:44.56 | jasoncohen | thanks asg |
| 15:45.08 | asg | spoopin: that presumes you remember the name of the service and don't rely on autocomplete like I do ;) |
| 15:45.13 | simonrvn | asg: wow. i have 18 gb on the raid array (the only one in the house, fyi) |
| 15:45.14 | kujoe | anyone in here familiar with the aic7xxx boot hang up and/or disabling said module? |
| 15:45.31 | asg | simonrvn: I have a 6TB san at work though :p |
| 15:45.32 | spoopin | asg: or lazy typing, like me |
| 15:45.36 | asg | spoopin: true |
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| 15:45.42 | sobersabre | kujoe, what do you mean "hang up" ? |
| 15:45.42 | karim | is it possible to do a debootrstrap as a user ? |
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| 15:45.45 | asg | spoopin: what's the gameplan for today then? |
| 15:46.03 | simonrvn | asg: *drool* |
| 15:46.08 | kujoe | sober: I mean that when the aic7xxx module tries to get loaded it just locks up and the only thing I can do is reboot |
| 15:46.08 | asg | karim: should be, as long as the data is stored in a user writable area.) |
| 15:46.17 | asg | simonrvn: yeah. |
| 15:46.24 | spoopin | asg: not sure.. give us a call in a bit |
| 15:46.27 | BinaryX | can i use woody base to upgrade to sarge>? |
| 15:46.38 | asg | spoopin: cool, will do. We are probably lunching at 12:30. |
| 15:46.38 | kujoe | when I was installing I did expert install and just unchecked the module so that it wouldn't load, but now that debian is installed it wants to load the module before it will finish booting |
| 15:46.42 | asg | BinaryX: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 15:46.53 | asg | BinaryX: type that in your irc client, not at a terminal. |
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| 15:47.09 | karim | asg, but the rights ? |
| 15:47.11 | RvGaTe | With samba, how do i add a share, wich can be modified by anyone without logging in... (im using swat) |
| 15:47.13 | BinaryX | sorry |
| 15:47.15 | karim | asg, will they be good ? |
| 15:47.15 | BinaryX | thanks |
| 15:47.21 | ablet | anyone here using debmirror? I have a sarge mirror, but I want to create cds using debian-cd, which needs the extra dirs like doc and tools, how do I include those using debmirror |
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| 15:47.37 | asg | karim: should be, they are based on /etc/passwd -> uid/gid translations after all. |
| 15:47.43 | simonrvn | asg: i thought the find run for cron.daily did this frob my chmods thing already? |
| 15:47.46 | asg | karim: you might use fakeroot just in case. |
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| 15:48.04 | piantux | why i have when i'm booting kernel fatal error modprob ,shpcp errors or something like that |
| 15:48.09 | asg | simonrvn: it didn't last I checked, at least at the resolution I wanted. |
| 15:48.13 | karim | asg, ok since I am unsure I will do it as root |
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| 15:48.15 | simonrvn | yay, they fixed SA. it doesn't bloat to 150 MB and suck 80%+ of cpu anymore |
| 15:48.23 | simonrvn | asg: ok |
| 15:48.26 | kujoe | so yeah, anyone know how I can completely disable a module from loading? |
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| 15:48.38 | asg | karim: okay |
| 15:48.39 | piantux | my version is 2.6.8.2 |
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| 15:48.59 | asg | kujoe: mv module module.dont.load </nasty hack> |
| 15:49.24 | kujoe | asg: is there documentation on how to use that "hack"? |
| 15:49.36 | kujoe | or anyone willing to walk me through it? |
| 15:49.38 | asg | kujoe: no, I just made it up |
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| 15:49.51 | kujoe | meh :P |
| 15:50.01 | asg | kujoe: try /msg dpkg blacklist also |
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| 15:50.22 | asg | kujoe: the nasty hack just moves the module out of the way so the kernel or hotplug or discover can't load it. |
| 15:50.32 | BinaryX | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.33 | kujoe | cool |
| 15:50.37 | kujoe | I have sarge |
| 15:50.40 | asg | BinaryX: without the leading space |
| 15:50.52 | BinaryX | ty |
| 15:51.14 | penguin42 | has anyone seen netcat -l want to read stdin after it has been running fine for plenty of time - I've got a nohup'd tar running over one and its stopped a few times |
| 15:51.20 | kujoe | thanks for the pointer asg |
| 15:51.58 | piantux | anyone knows why there is fatal error on sarge booting kernel(modprob shpcip or something likes) |
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| 15:52.37 | penguin42 | piantux: a modprobe isn't an error - you probably need the rest of the error message |
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| 15:53.25 | piantux | yes but i'm doindg a dmesg i haven't all the messages of booting |
| 15:53.37 | simonrvn | asg: 29M 2005-05-14 15:53 permissions.bak # so far... |
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| 15:53.55 | piantux | especially the error about shp... |
| 15:54.19 | asg | simonrvn: :) |
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| 15:54.54 | penguin42 | piantux: Yeh - probably could do with a bit more to get some help |
| 15:55.01 | piantux | what is shpchp |
| 15:55.11 | simonrvn | asg: i have a crapload of stuff here i need to check out and clean up... this is why i need some sort of tape backup... |
| 15:55.11 | BinaryX | excellent, thanks a lot asg |
| 15:55.18 | asg | BinaryX: :) |
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| 15:55.21 | BinaryX | saved some time for me m8 |
| 15:55.29 | piantux | and pciehprm? please |
| 15:55.30 | foxiness | can i know the speed of read/write/rewrite of my cdrom drive ? |
| 15:55.33 | asg | simonrvn: yes, it's amazing how much crap you get over time. |
| 15:55.38 | asg | foxiness: man hdparm |
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| 15:55.52 | asg | foxiness: sorry, wrong command |
| 15:56.08 | asg | foxiness: see if dmesg lists the info |
| 15:56.08 | foxiness | asg, thanks |
| 15:56.20 | simonrvn | asg: yeh. this installation has been around since just after woody was released, and i have stuff in ~/ that's been around for longer |
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| 15:57.00 | asg | simonrvn: my home gateway was a slink -> potato -> woody -> sarge setup. It needs a clean up stat! |
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| 15:57.07 | simonrvn | wow |
| 15:57.11 | dvs | wow? |
| 15:57.20 | asg | dvs: world of warcraft? |
| 15:57.22 | Glorp | Does aynone know of a pcmcia wifi card that works with linux and is sold at bestbuy? |
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| 15:57.38 | dvs | asg: Sorry. As soon as connected, that's all I saw ;-) |
| 15:57.42 | asg | dvs: heh |
| 15:57.56 | [Aaa] | WoW is a good game. |
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| 15:58.07 | Glorp | Does aynone know of a pcmcia wifi card that works with linux and is sold at bestbuy? |
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| 15:58.26 | foxiness | on what speed safe to write "iso image" to work on all cdrom on all pc ? |
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| 15:58.42 | dvs | foxiness: It depends on your burner |
| 15:58.51 | BinaryX | glorp ,usually you want one with a prism2 chipset |
| 15:59.02 | penguin42 | kujoe: Boot with some form of rescue disc and gently remove the module from the filesystem |
| 15:59.09 | foxiness | dvs, on other word please ? |
| 15:59.13 | K_Dallas | foxiness, 8x is pretty safe |
| 15:59.20 | kujoe | I guess I need to download another iso then :) |
| 15:59.21 | dvs | foxiness: How fast is your burner? |
| 15:59.46 | foxiness | dvs, its laptop and i do not know |
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| 15:59.51 | m4lu6 | ugh. what's the command to show dependencies for a particular package? |
| 15:59.51 | BinaryX | glorp, like a orinoco brand has it |
| 15:59.58 | quiiiiiiiiiiiiii | ello |
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| 16:00.13 | piantux | is there a command to have the completemessages of booting kernel(not dmesg ) |
| 16:00.14 | cg0def | foxiness: laptop burners are really flacky and you should probably try 4x |
| 16:00.20 | quiiiiiiiiiiiiii | from chile |
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| 16:00.33 | dvs | foxiness: What does "cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA" say? |
| 16:00.37 | m4lu6 | piantux, have a look at var/log/syslog |
| 16:00.44 | foxiness | K_Dallas, thanks |
| 16:00.46 | _me_ | Glorp: looke here http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 16:00.51 | simonrvn | piantux: less /var/log/dmesg # all messages that were present at boot, even if your uptime is hundreds of days |
| 16:00.53 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 16:00.54 | m4lu6 | or kenlog |
| 16:00.58 | Xinux | wats the command for wine |
| 16:00.59 | m4lu6 | kernlog, rather |
| 16:01.00 | foxiness | cg0def, thanks |
| 16:01.07 | K_Dallas | Xinux, wine? |
| 16:01.07 | Xinux | cuz "wine" isn't working |
| 16:01.13 | K_Dallas | is it installed? |
| 16:01.14 | raf256 | how can I write own program that will compress file on-the-fly while coping it? like cat input | myprogram -p password > output ? |
| 16:01.19 | Xinux | yes |
| 16:01.20 | piantux | oh thanks a lot |
| 16:01.20 | K_Dallas | try: whereis wine |
| 16:01.26 | K_Dallas | maybe not in your path |
| 16:01.32 | simonrvn | asg: 67M 2005-05-14 16:00 /var/backups/permissions.bak # still going ... |
| 16:01.35 | cg0def | Xinux: what doesn't work? |
| 16:01.37 | raf256 | that will work, and it will NOT create any temporary file? Will it work o.k. if the stream is binary? |
| 16:01.39 | Xinux | Decrypt@1[~]$ whereis wine |
| 16:01.40 | Xinux | wine: |
| 16:01.50 | K_Dallas | so it is definitely not on your path |
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| 16:02.02 | K_Dallas | which is wierd! |
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| 16:02.18 | nite613 | raf256: That depends 100% on the program you write. If your program makes no temp files and can handle binary then you're gold |
| 16:02.48 | raf256 | nite613: how can I handle the binary? like cin.get(buf,1024) ? |
| 16:03.09 | raf256 | cin and cout work well iwith binary data or should I use something else? |
| 16:03.48 | foxiness | dvs, "0,0,0 0) 'MATSHITA' 'CD-RW CW-8123 ' 'CW23' Removable CD-ROM" |
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| 16:04.17 | aardvark | foxiness: begone ubuntu! |
| 16:04.19 | foxiness | dvs, this output of " sudo cdrecord -scanbus dev=/dev/cdrom" |
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| 16:04.28 | jesus | qq |
| 16:05.09 | penguin42 | no takers for my netcat question? (why does it occasionally want input) |
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| 16:05.15 | simonrvn | asg: cat /var/backups/permissions.bak | wc -l |
| 16:05.15 | simonrvn | 643957 |
| 16:05.28 | dvs | foxiness: It's a 16X CD-RW drive. But going slower than that is a very good idea |
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| 16:06.08 | nite613 | raf256: Should work fine, I'm not much of a C++ guy |
| 16:06.12 | foxiness | thank you a lot dvs |
| 16:06.19 | dvs | foxiness: np |
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| 16:06.42 | foxiness | aardvark, im not know what u say or what u mean on other word |
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| 16:07.12 | dvs | foxiness: http://www.pyroport.com/reviews/18.asp |
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| 16:08.17 | BinaryX | wine has a /.wine hidden folder |
| 16:08.50 | BinaryX | net cat wants input? |
| 16:09.02 | BinaryX | if you use > it will want input |
| 16:09.05 | foxiness | dvs, what can i say :) thanks |
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| 16:09.11 | BinaryX | i mean "<" |
| 16:09.14 | penguin42 | BinaryX: Yeh - I've got an 800GB tar running over netcat -l and the -l keeps stopping and wanting stdin |
| 16:09.42 | penguin42 | BinaryX: Its already shifted probably 50GB before it first did it - and its doing it every so often |
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| 16:10.54 | penguin42 | BinaryX: Two machines sitting next to each other on a rack; one has the old RAID the other has the new RAID - I want 800GB from here....to there - tar over netcat |
| 16:11.06 | BinaryX | ok |
| 16:11.17 | kortec | can anyone help me with using the printconf package? i'm having some trouble getting the results to stick, and none of the docs i can find address it. |
| 16:11.21 | BinaryX | it's beyond me |
| 16:11.25 | karim | when I reinstall a new system, can I keep everything in /var/lib ? |
| 16:11.29 | foxiness | time to go c y l8r |
| 16:11.31 | jim | penguin42: why not, say, rsync? |
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| 16:11.40 | BinaryX | interesting use for nc though |
| 16:11.44 | penguin42 | BinaryX: Damn annoying - it means I'm going to have to keep an eye on it |
| 16:11.49 | coywolf | where's the debian development chann? |
| 16:11.55 | penguin42 | jim: rsync can't cope with a lot of files - it leaks 100bytes/file |
| 16:12.13 | jim | leaks? |
| 16:12.27 | coywolf | where's the debian development chann? #debian-dev? |
| 16:12.29 | penguin42 | jim: It keeps file info (stat data) for every file it examines |
| 16:12.30 | BinaryX | penguin42 can you please show me the commands you use?? |
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| 16:12.59 | K_Dallas | coywolf, /list *debian* |
| 16:13.03 | penguin42 | BinaryX: Sure; on one side I have tar -clf- . | nc othermachine 6666 |
| 16:13.25 | BinaryX | ok |
| 16:13.28 | penguin42 | BinaryX: And on the other end nc -l -p 6666 | tar -xpf - |
| 16:13.34 | incorrect | is there something like telnet for udp ? |
| 16:13.41 | penguin42 | incorrect: netcat |
| 16:13.41 | BinaryX | ok |
| 16:13.47 | incorrect | ty |
| 16:13.48 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.48 | coywolf | --- End of /LIST |
| 16:13.52 | penguin42 | BinaryX: And its the -l side thats doing it |
| 16:13.54 | coywolf | K_Dallas, blank |
| 16:14.25 | pureone | thanks penguin24 i could never figure out how to do that exactly, im goner play with that for a while :) |
| 16:14.37 | BinaryX | listening on port 6666, then tar xpf 'ing it |
| 16:14.41 | coywolf | !join debian |
| 16:14.41 | pureone | i saw it somewere before but could never find it |
| 16:14.45 | K_Dallas | it is debian-devel |
| 16:14.52 | penguin42 | pureone: First time I've used it |
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| 16:15.21 | ablet | anyone have a good way to mirror just sarge, but also include the extra dirs like the boot images, doc and tools to create cd's with? |
| 16:15.28 | jim | and when I try /quote list *debian*.... |
| 16:15.39 | jim | * server load is temporarily too heavy, please try again later? |
| 16:15.40 | simonrvn | what's that partition editor's name again? partman from d-i is based on it... |
| 16:16.11 | jim | parted? |
| 16:16.13 | asuffield | you probably mean parted |
| 16:16.16 | jim | is it that/ |
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| 16:16.40 | simonrvn | yeh, that's it |
| 16:16.44 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 16:17.08 | penguin42 | jim: In this case I think I've probably got in excess of 10M files - so 100 bytes/file soon adds up |
| 16:17.39 | jim | all that in one tar stream? |
| 16:17.46 | penguin42 | nod |
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| 16:17.56 | cuti | hey people. |
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| 16:18.43 | penguin42 | jim: I've got a nice little RAID for it to go onto: /dev/sda4 1.6T 108G 1.4T 7% /backup |
| 16:18.47 | BinaryX | is this an experiement penguin42 ? |
| 16:18.58 | penguin42 | BinaryX: No! This is my backup server at work |
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| 16:19.18 | BinaryX | oh ok |
| 16:19.40 | penguin42 | BinaryX: And its seriously pissing me off - I thought I could just leave this copy going and get on with my (admittedly boring) weekend |
| 16:19.55 | BinaryX | omg |
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| 16:20.33 | BinaryX | how fast does it transfer? |
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| 16:20.48 | penguin42 | BinaryX: Its going at about 15MB/s at the moment |
| 16:21.12 | jim | is the tar stream compressed or uncompressed |
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| 16:21.36 | penguin42 | jim: uncompresse d - I don't have the spare CPU cycles to compress/uncompress it |
| 16:21.58 | jim | plus it wouldn't be a good idea |
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| 16:22.16 | jim | * Received a CTCP VERSION from takatumi (to #debian) |
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| 16:22.25 | jim | * Received a CTCP VERSION from takatumi (to #debian) |
| 16:22.27 | the_softrat | Is there a HOWTO on 'how to' gback up Debian Linux? What medium and so forth.... |
| 16:22.34 | takatumi | apologies. |
| 16:22.42 | penguin42 | jim: The destination machine doesn't really have enough CPU since its just a machine we found in the back to hold the new raid while we got it going |
| 16:22.44 | BinaryX | i'm upgrading woody to sarge |
| 16:22.52 | simonrvn | takatumi- VERSION buRRp |
| 16:23.07 | takatumi | simonrvn: all I wanted was the irssi version |
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| 16:23.11 | simonrvn | =) |
| 16:23.21 | takatumi | mine that is. :) |
| 16:23.42 | streuner | takatumi- VERSION buRRp |
| 16:23.46 | Wyzard | penguin42: I've never done as much as 800GB over netcat, but I've done 50GB or so, and I've never seen it do what you described |
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| 16:24.11 | penguin42 | Wyzard: Nod - first time I've used it - I've found one other person who has seen the same thing |
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| 16:24.26 | Phantom784 | I downloaded the rescue and root flopies and the driver flopies and got them up, but I can't get it to install over the network properly |
| 16:24.56 | jim | Phantom784, want to try sarge? |
| 16:25.06 | penguin42 | Phantom784: 'properly' - where does it stop? |
| 16:25.26 | Phantom784 | I'd rather use a stable version to start with, since I'm new to linux |
| 16:25.29 | Wyzard | penguin42: How do you know that it's stopping and waiting for input? |
| 16:26.00 | BinaryX | i just saved a few days by asking asg how to upgrade from woody to sarge instead of downloading the ISOs and reinstalling |
| 16:26.08 | jim | Phantom784: maybe you can use debian-installer on woody; not sure |
| 16:26.10 | the_softrat | (Phantom784) Stable, but Old!! |
| 16:26.29 | Phantom784 | I can get the install from network option to appear by selecting random drivers and getting one to succeed, but when I tell it to download from the defualt mirror, it fails |
| 16:26.34 | penguin42 | Wyzard: I had started it in a nohup &'d - and I noticed the network usage stopped and looked at the shell and it gave me the normal bashstopped waiting for input message; so I fg'd and hit return and it got going again |
| 16:26.38 | jim | the_softratL as is that overused sentiment :) |
| 16:26.41 | Wyzard | penguin42: hmm |
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| 16:26.58 | Phantom784 | the lights don't flash on my router at all, so I'm guessing the network card driver isn't the right one |
| 16:26.58 | Wyzard | penguin42: I do notice that you're not using "-q0" on the sending side, so it won't close the connection when the transfer is complete |
| 16:26.59 | the_softrat | (Jim) Whuht?? |
| 16:27.00 | penguin42 | Wyzard: I also strace'd it and it was waiting on a read(0, and 0 was still stdin |
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| 16:27.23 | Wyzard | penguin42: but it sounds like in this case it hasn't finished yet when it stops |
| 16:27.33 | penguin42 | Wyzard: Ah - first time I used it, I'll try and remember it for next time - indeed, its only about 80G in |
| 16:27.34 | jim | the_softrat: that's been said in so many ways by so many people... boring :) |
| 16:27.37 | ali4728 | can I use Postfix to send email with dynamic IP, (no email receiving just sending eg:using php mail() function)? Thanks |
| 16:27.40 | BinaryX | it would be good to practice on a smaller file first |
| 16:27.54 | the_softrat | [PS: I hadta use W**d**s to find out that my sound system *was* working!] |
| 16:28.10 | jim | and it is? |
| 16:28.18 | the_softrat | (jim) Hey! *I'm* boring!! |
| 16:28.26 | streuner | ali4728: yes |
| 16:28.35 | BinaryX | i hope sarge will work on my ATI card |
| 16:28.46 | ali4728 | <streuner>are there lots of configurations? |
| 16:28.55 | dvs | BinaryX: Which card? |
| 16:29.16 | the_softrat | (jim) Yes, my sound system *is* working. I hadn't found the correct sound card to compile for the kernel yet.... |
| 16:29.22 | BinaryX | i just upgraded from woody "stable" to sarge in about 40 minutes of d/l over adsl line at 25kbs |
| 16:29.25 | jim | the_softrat: thing is, lots of tiimes a server doesn't need anything from testing or unstable |
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| 16:29.31 | BinaryX | radeon 9200 se |
| 16:29.35 | streuner | ali4728: well, you need a FQDN as well |
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| 16:29.42 | dvs | BinaryX: That will definitly work |
| 16:29.52 | jim | the_softrat: alsa? |
| 16:29.56 | the_softrat | (jim) Mostly because it is *not* a sound 'card. It's a chipset on the mobo. |
| 16:30.01 | ali4728 | <streuner>FQDN? |
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| 16:30.15 | streuner | ali4728: /msg dpkg FQDN |
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| 16:30.36 | the_softrat | (jim) I still don't understand oss vs alsa. I compiled for both! |
| 16:30.39 | jim | or read DNS & BIND... |
| 16:30.43 | BinaryX | i wonder if i made some wrong settings |
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| 16:30.53 | streuner | ali4728: dyndns.org provide FQDN for dynamic IP's |
| 16:30.54 | [sr] | howdy |
| 16:31.03 | the_softrat | (jim) I don't understand 'dig' either! |
| 16:31.04 | jim | the_softrat: what chipset is it |
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| 16:31.07 | naddar | what is the command for installing rpm in debian? |
| 16:31.17 | penguin42 | naddar: alien |
| 16:31.17 | [sr] | does anyone has a gigabit Galileo ethernet ? |
| 16:31.24 | Wyzard | the_softrat: Built-in sound chips on motherboards aren't any different from cards in slots from a software point of view |
| 16:31.32 | raf256 | is this a good way of doing encrypted backup of entire hdd (with partitions etc): myxor < /dev/hda > /dev/hdb where myxor program XORs (in example) data from stdin and write to stdout and /dev/hda /hdb are identical discs? |
| 16:31.40 | jim | the_softrat: dig produces output suitable for zone files |
| 16:31.43 | tarzeau | raf256: no |
| 16:31.47 | streuner | naddar: why do you think you need rpm, almost everyone say debian's system is just the best? |
| 16:31.51 | simonrvn | with some editing |
| 16:31.54 | the_softrat | (jim) some SiS chipset. Do I gotta look up the number *again*??? |
| 16:32.00 | BinaryX | alien -d rpmpackage.rpm |
| 16:32.05 | naddar | cinerrellla a video program |
| 16:32.05 | Wyzard | raf256: XOR is not a good way of encrypting anything |
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| 16:32.12 | naddar | need to install that |
| 16:32.17 | ali4728 | <streuner> dont have that! what does is stand for? |
| 16:32.21 | BinaryX | apt-get alien |
| 16:32.24 | jim | I'd think you'd have written it down the first time :) |
| 16:32.29 | penguin42 | raf256: Look at a program called 'duplicity' - its an encrypted backup system |
| 16:32.37 | BinaryX | sorry naddar |
| 16:32.43 | streuner | ali4728: for what? |
| 16:32.47 | the_softrat | (jim) I did. Now I have to find the correct log book..... |
| 16:32.48 | BinaryX | apt-get install alien |
| 16:32.49 | raf256 | Wyzard: and aside for XOR beeing just an example (very poor, I know) |
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| 16:33.06 | streuner | ali4728: dyndns.org? |
| 16:33.06 | raf256 | penguin42: but the fun of making it myself :) is the idea (aside for XOR) good? |
| 16:33.19 | naddar | ok i give it a try thanks |
| 16:33.19 | penguin42 | raf256: No, as others said - XOR is pretty easy to break |
| 16:33.23 | CompBrain | a3 |
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| 16:33.29 | ali4728 | <streuner> fqdn!! DOmain name? |
| 16:33.32 | jim | I think I have a sis sound "card" on my mobo... never got it working right, so I put the sblive back in |
| 16:33.40 | streuner | !FQDN |
| 16:33.40 | dpkg | hmm... fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 16:33.57 | simonrvn | foobar.mofo.from.he.ll |
| 16:33.59 | rxc | hi, i've copied a lot of adobe opentype fonts to debian, anyone knows how to install them? |
| 16:33.59 | raf256 | penguin42: as I mentioned twice, XOR was just a freaking example >:E ok assume it is some AES or other shit |
| 16:34.05 | the_softrat | (jim) AHA! Another fool captured.... (Wiat whilst I look....) |
| 16:34.11 | streuner | ali4728: for example, ali4728.mine.nu or ali4728.dyndns.org |
| 16:34.11 | Wyzard | raf256: You should store the output in a file, on a filesystem, rather than on a raw partition |
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| 16:34.15 | jim | well -fully- qualified names will have a trailing dot |
| 16:34.21 | raf256 | Wyzard: why not on a raw partition? |
| 16:34.22 | ali4728 | <streuner> I own a top level domain! |
| 16:34.25 | simonrvn | blah. nit picky |
| 16:34.32 | jim | meaning .nothing |
| 16:34.43 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 16:34.44 | raf256 | Wyzard: I would have to have 81 or 120 GB disc to backup 80 GB one that way |
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| 16:34.51 | jim | ali4728: do not :P |
| 16:34.52 | naddar | mkdir: cannot create directory `cinelerra-1.2.2': Bestand bestaat |
| 16:34.53 | naddar | mkdir: cannot create directory `cinelerra-1.2.2/debian': Bestand bestaat |
| 16:35.27 | initech | naddar: last time I tried cinelerra it barely even started, let alone worked; good luck |
| 16:35.30 | jim | naddar: what is Bestand bestaat? |
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| 16:35.38 | the_softrat | jim: Allegedly a ESS ES 1938 (solo-1) chipset |
| 16:35.40 | naddar | file exist |
| 16:35.41 | penguin42 | raf256: Oh ok, well in principal it would work - but your kernel won't understand the encrypted partition table for example! There is an encrypted loop device which is neet |
| 16:35.47 | penguin42 | ^ee^ea |
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| 16:36.05 | raf256 | cat /dev/hda > /dev/hdb will make a working, bootable copy of a hdd? if 1) they are identical (in size)? 2) have identical geometry (cylinder/heads etc)? |
| 16:36.05 | hingwah | .msg dpkg wwsr |
| 16:36.06 | naddar | initech: i just need a good video capture tool |
| 16:36.08 | hingwah | sorry |
| 16:36.09 | the_softrat | jim: oops. see youi later. God calls!! |
| 16:36.09 | jim | naddar: so there's already something by that name |
| 16:36.13 | Wyzard | raf256: Because unless the output partition is exactly the same size as the output data (which might not be the same size as the input data, depending on the cipher) you'll have no way of separating the backup file (which resides at the beginning of the partition) from whatever else occupies the remainder of the partition |
| 16:36.19 | jim | oh god |
| 16:36.19 | dvs | the_softrat: ignore him |
| 16:36.22 | initech | raf256: cat?!? man dd |
| 16:36.22 | dvs | ;-) |
| 16:36.35 | raf256 | penguin42: I know it wil not undersand encrypted partitions table... that is the point :) it loks like some not-formated hdd |
| 16:36.43 | schrankwand | can I use grep in a way that it return only a part of a line? |
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| 16:36.55 | penguin42 | raf256: Yeh it should work - but personally I'd just use loopback encryption |
| 16:36.57 | edison | Help does it's dangerous to currupt data when enable DMA for hard disk ? |
| 16:37.04 | raf256 | Wyzard: the encrypt algoritm will geneatrte strem of identical size |
| 16:37.13 | raf256 | penguin42: any good tutorial on that? |
| 16:37.14 | penguin42 | schrankwand: Depends what you want to do - grep isn't the answer, but awk and or sed can easily do what you want |
| 16:37.15 | jim | schrankwand: no. but you could combine it with something else |
| 16:37.20 | penguin42 | raf256: Somewhere - not sure where |
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| 16:37.26 | initech | edison: no, DMA is fine, and desireable |
| 16:37.33 | penguin42 | raf256: Look for cryptloop (or is that cryptoloop) |
| 16:37.34 | Wyzard | raf256: And because you don't gain anything by putting it on a raw partition rather than a filesystem -- no, it will not look like an "unformatted hard drive" to someone who knows what they're doing |
| 16:38.00 | edison | initech, do you use hdparm to eneble it ? |
| 16:38.10 | Wyzard | raf256: Some ciphers do change the size of the data, btw |
| 16:38.16 | initech | edison: yes, that would be the only way |
| 16:38.19 | schrankwand | I want to check if bluetooth is enabled by read and parse the content of /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth |
| 16:39.00 | naddar | anyone know a other capture tool |
| 16:39.13 | Wyzard | raf256: Someone suggested duplicity a few minutes ago... I haven't used it, but from the package description, it looks pretty worthwhile |
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| 16:39.34 | schrankwand | jim: whereby should i combine grep? |
| 16:39.35 | jim | schrankwand: you can do things like feed the output to another program or to a file |
| 16:39.43 | BinaryX | for capturing what naddar ? |
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| 16:39.54 | BinaryX | ok |
| 16:39.58 | BinaryX | video |
| 16:39.58 | penguin42 | Wyzard: Yeh I've used it for one particular project - and it does work; but for most uses cryptoloop is probably the right answer if you are on the same machine |
| 16:40.09 | naddar | Capture video vhs to avi or mpeg |
| 16:40.11 | BinaryX | not me |
| 16:40.22 | Wyzard | penguin42: I think he just wants to make an encrypted backup, not actually mount and use the encrypted copy |
| 16:40.36 | jim | schrankwand: so you're using grep to get you full lines? that you want to cut apart? |
| 16:40.38 | jasoncohen | when i use KDE's home shortcut it takes me to /mnt/mandrake/jason which is my home dir for jason? Any idea why? |
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| 16:40.58 | cuti | anyone got problem with antialias font? |
| 16:41.13 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: It should take you to whatever home directory is specified in /etc/passwd for your account |
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| 16:41.16 | initech | jasoncohen: why would it do anything else? |
| 16:41.17 | penguin42 | jasoncohen: Where do you expect it to take you? |
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| 16:41.46 | jasoncohen | penguin42, i expect it to take me to /home/jason |
| 16:41.52 | Wyzard | cuti: If you're having a problem with antialiased fonts that you want to fix, it would help if you were to describe what the problem is |
| 16:42.05 | schrankwand | jim: I want to know if the line returns by grep contains "enabled" |
| 16:42.07 | initech | jasoncohen: well change your home directory to "/home/jason" then |
| 16:42.19 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: grep jason /etc/passwd |
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| 16:42.36 | jasoncohen | jason:x:1000:1000:Jason Cohen,,,:/home/jason:/bin/bash |
| 16:43.09 | jim | schrankwand: you could feed it to another grep that matches 'enabled' and take its exit status |
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| 16:43.32 | schrankwand | that's a good idea |
| 16:43.33 | schrankwand | thanks |
| 16:43.37 | jasoncohen | i figured it out |
| 16:43.56 | jim | the exit status of grep will indicate wheter it found the pattern or not |
| 16:43.58 | jasoncohen | it was my fault. I saved my profile in konqueror while in /mnt/mandrake/jason. I re-saved in /home/jason and now it works fine |
| 16:44.32 | BinaryX | can you install a base debian system and just have the kde with minimal programs ? |
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| 16:45.30 | Wyzard | BinaryX: The Debian base system doesn't include KDE. If you want a minimal system, you can install the base system, X, KDE, and nothing else. |
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| 16:45.52 | kujoe | Does anyone recall the proper syntax for booting from a rescue disk? |
| 16:45.55 | BinaryX | thanks Wyzard |
| 16:46.13 | kujoe | e.g. rescue root=foo |
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| 16:46.34 | naddar | not easy to find a program to capture damn |
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| 16:47.23 | initech | naddar: vhs, well, no ... mythtv perhaps? i'm a little ignorant on that scene |
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| 16:47.30 | BinaryX | x and kde aren't working on my radeon 9200se vid card and i updated them and then upgraded to sarge, now i just did a "apt-get dist-upgrade" and it wants to d/l 335mb of data |
| 16:47.52 | BinaryX | should i just reinstall from woody cd and install X and KDE differently? |
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| 16:48.03 | dvs | BinaryX: that sounds about right |
| 16:48.27 | BinaryX | but X and KDE still aren't working yet |
| 16:48.35 | initech | BinaryX: woody's X most likely will not recognize that card. why not just install sarge if that is what you want? |
| 16:49.07 | BinaryX | i'm not sure what way is best and easiest that's all |
| 16:49.14 | dvs | BinaryX: If you installed from the 'net, then it will have to download it. |
| 16:49.31 | BinaryX | why can't i install sarges X to woody? |
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| 16:49.44 | initech | BinaryX: well, if you're going to upgrade to sarge anyhow, I can't see the point in installing woody at all |
| 16:49.51 | dvs | BinaryX: You're trying to use X in woody? |
| 16:49.58 | BinaryX | i started with woody |
| 16:50.08 | dvs | BinaryX: You want sarge? |
| 16:50.36 | BinaryX | i changed the sources.list from stable to woody, and nthen did update |
| 16:50.45 | BinaryX | yeah i want sarge |
| 16:51.01 | initech | BinaryX: lol, "stable" and "woody" are cuurently the same thing |
| 16:51.03 | BinaryX | now it is replacing all woody with sarge |
| 16:51.05 | dvs | BinaryX: If you changed it from stable to woody then that shouldn't do much |
| 16:51.15 | m4lu6 | i've got a list of files in a text file... ugh. how to send that list of packages to "dpkg --purge"?? |
| 16:51.21 | BinaryX | sorry |
| 16:51.28 | BinaryX | from stable to sarge * |
| 16:51.29 | m4lu6 | list of packages, rather. |
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| 16:51.39 | initech | m4lu6: dpkg accepts a list of packages, but not files |
| 16:51.58 | dvs | BinaryX: Did you do a "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" after you did that? |
| 16:52.11 | initech | m4lu6: apt-get remove `cat PACKAGELIST | tr "\n" " "` |
| 16:52.18 | BinaryX | update then dist-upgrade |
| 16:52.24 | dvs | yes |
| 16:52.29 | BinaryX | yes |
| 16:52.31 | initech | m4lu6: well if you have a file with each package separated by a line |
| 16:52.34 | m4lu6 | initech, the packages have already been removed. i'm trying to purge them. |
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| 16:52.43 | dvs | BinaryX: Did you have X installed before? |
| 16:52.49 | initech | then use --purge as well |
| 16:52.51 | m4lu6 | dpkg -l |grep 4.3.0 | cut -f3 -d' ' gives me the list, |
| 16:52.51 | dpkg | grep 4.3.0 |
| 16:52.52 | dvs | on woody |
| 16:52.55 | m4lu6 | that list of shit, i want gone. |
| 16:52.56 | BinaryX | yeah but it wasn't working |
| 16:53.06 | m4lu6 | i've got RC files. i iwant them gone. |
| 16:53.15 | m4lu6 | tr, eh? |
| 16:53.19 | BinaryX | it's gonna take 7 hours |
| 16:53.21 | dvs | BinaryX: I'd like Debian download those packages. It should do the right thing. |
| 16:53.45 | m4lu6 | zounds. |
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| 16:53.53 | initech | m4lu6: then feed the output of that to dpkg --purge in backtics |
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| 16:54.07 | jasoncohen | why is debian so much more responsive in KDE than in Mandrake? If the same components are installed, why is one faster? |
| 16:54.11 | Anders1 | what's the difference between $() and ``? |
| 16:54.14 | BinaryX | actually it will take about 3 hours |
| 16:54.34 | penguin42 | jasoncohen: There is a LOT of things that can be configured in KDE - lots of animation/caching parameters you can tune |
| 16:54.34 | BinaryX | d/l speed has been changing |
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| 16:55.01 | m4lu6 | initech, how do you mean, backticks? `? but where in the command? |
| 16:55.05 | BinaryX | thanks dvs |
| 16:55.10 | dvs | no prob |
| 16:55.15 | m4lu6 | dpkg -l |grep 4.3.0 | cut -f3 -d' ' |tr -n"\n" " " ... |
| 16:55.17 | dpkg | cut -f3 -d' ' |
| 16:55.17 | jasoncohen | penguin42, but i have more animation stuff in debian than in mdk |
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| 16:55.27 | m4lu6 | arhg. ditch the -n. my fingers are malfucntioning. |
| 16:55.29 | BinaryX | knoppix is pretty easy to use |
| 16:55.34 | jasoncohen | it is especially faster for the konqueror file browser. It's almost instantaneous in debian |
| 16:55.35 | initech | m4lu6: like - dpkg --purge `dpkg -l |grep 4.3.0 | cut -f3 -d' '` |
| 16:55.37 | rxc | anyone knows how to convert opentype to truetype? |
| 16:55.41 | m4lu6 | AH! |
| 16:55.42 | penguin42 | jasoncohen: Hehe - good luck in finding out why - responsiveness of desktops is black magic |
| 16:55.42 | m4lu6 | thanks. |
| 16:55.45 | resiak | Anders1: The former is a bashism, but looks neater. |
| 16:55.45 | BinaryX | it works on my radeon |
| 16:55.55 | jasoncohen | penguin42, well, i'm certainly not complaining |
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| 16:56.04 | dvs | BinaryX: knoppix is based on unstable |
| 16:56.05 | m4lu6 | initech: perfect. thanks. |
| 16:56.07 | jasoncohen | anyone know how to remove the underlining of files & directories in konqueror? |
| 16:56.09 | penguin42 | jasoncohen: You will when it slows down again :-) |
| 16:56.20 | jasoncohen | heh |
| 16:56.29 | jasoncohen | well, hopefully it'll speed up in 3.4 |
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| 16:56.55 | initech | jasoncohen: Settings -> Konqueror -> Appearance |
| 16:56.57 | jasoncohen | ah, found it. the underline filenames was a setting in konqueror |
| 16:57.00 | BinaryX | you can do dist-upgrade in knoppix |
| 16:57.07 | BinaryX | does it upgrade to sarge? |
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| 16:57.11 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 16:57.12 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 16:57.13 | jasoncohen | initech, thanks |
| 16:57.29 | resiak | BinaryX: No, it doesn't, and we won't support a Knoppix install in here... |
| 16:57.31 | BinaryX | lol |
| 16:57.43 | jasoncohen | debian also starts firefox faster :) |
| 16:57.45 | BinaryX | yeah i know |
| 16:58.14 | penguin42 | BinaryX: Knoppix is however a neat way of installing debian on a system that the debian boot discs won't install - use debootstrap for that under knoppix and you can tell it to install a normal debian install |
| 16:58.22 | jasoncohen | but it's not automoutning my USB key.. do i have to configure something for that to work? |
| 16:59.10 | TwistedEmotions_ | deadcat: U there? |
| 16:59.20 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Unless you're using something like gnome-volume-manager, no, it won't automount |
| 16:59.29 | jasoncohen | http://pastebin.com/284194 - dmesg shows it |
| 16:59.35 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, oh, ok |
| 16:59.48 | jasoncohen | i'll have to add an fstab entry then |
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| 17:00.10 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: You can use "pmount" to mount removable devices like that without needing fstab entries |
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| 17:00.51 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: (gnome-volume-manager listens for new-device events indicating that something has been plugged in, and calls pmount to mount it) |
| 17:01.05 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, can gnome-volume-manager be used in KDE? |
| 17:01.16 | BinaryX | penguin42;) how long have you been using linux or debian? |
| 17:01.16 | nevyn | wfm |
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| 17:01.29 | jasoncohen | where does pmount mount it? |
| 17:01.37 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Probably, but not in a straightforward fashion. KDE might have something similar of its own, but I don't use KDE so I don't know. |
| 17:01.47 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: pmount mounts things under /media... read the manpage |
| 17:02.09 | jasoncohen | thanks- i see it |
| 17:02.17 | nevyn | kde has a volume manager but it's only in 3.4 |
| 17:02.32 | nevyn | gnome-volume-manager works fine here with kde tho. (in that kde ignores it) |
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| 17:02.42 | nevyn | just don't install nautilus and you're all good |
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| 17:02.52 | bgat | hi guys |
| 17:02.55 | nevyn | things will just automount under /medai |
| 17:03.03 | bgat | I have two cable modems, and I do a lot of rsync'ing with debian mirrors |
| 17:03.14 | nevyn | mmm |
| 17:03.22 | bgat | is there a way to force that traffic to go over one of the two modems, so that I can still browse, etc. over the other? |
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| 17:05.23 | penguin42 | BinaryX: Please DO NOT try and DCC me |
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| 17:06.33 | jasoncohen | what does the no final newline at end of /etc/fstab mean? The file looks fine and it mounts fine despite the error. |
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| 17:06.40 | starrider | is anyone running an alpha here? |
| 17:06.53 | penguin42 | starrider: I have in the past |
| 17:06.54 | starrider | im having trouble getting my awe64 to work |
| 17:07.10 | starrider | are the default modules compiled with "persistent buffers" enabled? |
| 17:07.16 | starrider | if not i may have to recompile :( |
| 17:07.18 | BinaryX | why is DCC a disease ? |
| 17:08.01 | Wyzard | BinaryX: It's considered rude to DCC people out of the blue |
| 17:08.04 | penguin42 | starrider: There seems to be a discussion debian-alpha at the moment about that - you in that? |
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| 17:08.20 | starrider | on the mailing list? |
| 17:08.23 | BinaryX | oh ok |
| 17:08.24 | penguin42 | nod |
| 17:08.29 | starrider | yeah im the one on that |
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| 17:08.57 | penguin42 | starrider: I've got a nice old Createive 16 PCI in my alpha - I like to keep things simple |
| 17:09.07 | starrider | ahw ell all 4 of my pci slots are full |
| 17:09.13 | starrider | i never have trouble when i recompile my own kernel |
| 17:09.18 | kujoe | ok, I think it just seems I have the wrong rescue disk, because nothing I try works |
| 17:09.20 | starrider | but the last debian kernel ic ompiled got weird |
| 17:09.27 | kujoe | anyone know where to get good rescue disk images? |
| 17:09.28 | starrider | debian does recompile totally different |
| 17:09.29 | BinaryX | sorry penguin42 |
| 17:09.43 | Marticus | hrm |
| 17:09.44 | Marticus | I wonder |
| 17:09.51 | Wyzard | kujoe: Any Debian mirror? |
| 17:10.09 | kujoe | hmmm |
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| 17:10.22 | kujoe | well that's where I got this image, and for whatever reason, it doesn't like it |
| 17:10.43 | kujoe | wont let me boot up into rescue mode |
| 17:10.56 | Wyzard | kujoe: What happens when you try? |
| 17:11.34 | kujoe | one sec, I forgot, I gotta try again to get the error msg |
| 17:11.46 | kujoe | <-- bad memory |
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| 17:12.14 | Marticus | are there any reliable remote linux installation methods for existing windows servers? |
| 17:12.15 | Wyzard | kujoe: When you're asking for help about an error, it helps to be able to tell us what the error was :-) |
| 17:12.21 | somboku | hello |
| 17:12.47 | kujoe | yeah I'm bringing the error up, I had it in mind, but I forgot it that fast |
| 17:12.48 | kujoe | :-P |
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| 17:13.07 | somboku | could anyone gave me a sign about setting up a vserver on debian? |
| 17:13.21 | kujoe | maybe I'm typing the wrong thing in to boot? I don't know |
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| 17:13.52 | somboku | a want to run another debian system on a running system |
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| 17:14.20 | BinaryX | what do you mean Marticus ? |
| 17:14.22 | Wyzard | somboku: You want to run Debian within Debian? |
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| 17:14.27 | somboku | yes |
| 17:14.29 | jasoncohen | does anyone know what the "no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab means? the last entry looks nearly identical to the others. I don't know what the problem is |
| 17:14.36 | sparr_w | What software can I use to type 'onto' a PDF? To fill out a form, so that I can print it with my information on it. |
| 17:14.39 | Wyzard | somboku: Look into User-Mode Linux |
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| 17:14.50 | Wyzard | somboku: Or VMware, if you have some money to spend |
| 17:14.58 | the_softrat | jim: I'm baaaaackkk |
| 17:15.03 | somboku | i ve read somethng to mount an .img an d have a virutall server |
| 17:15.04 | stouset | jasoncohen: Add a newline to the end of the file? |
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| 17:15.15 | kujoe | heh, my kayak goes through a long boot process |
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| 17:15.19 | kujoe | :-P |
| 17:15.32 | kujoe | it goes through like 3 different bios boots |
| 17:15.35 | kujoe | :-P |
| 17:15.42 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: The last line of the file doesn't have a line-break character at the end. (Having one would mean having a blank line at the end of the file.) |
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| 17:16.05 | somboku | user mode linux, i guess as you said.. |
| 17:16.07 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: It's mostly harmless, but some programs expect every line to end with a line break, and thus might fail to "recognize" the last line of the file |
| 17:16.10 | somboku | thanx |
| 17:16.19 | the_softrat | Who knows what the *finest* printer for Debian GNU/Linux is? |
| 17:16.38 | Wyzard | the_softrat: That depends very much on what your printing needs are |
| 17:16.48 | techsolo | hp works fine under cups |
| 17:16.50 | IDC | how can i check the HDD args in linux ? |
| 17:16.52 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, i just hit enter, saved and it worked |
| 17:16.53 | jasoncohen | thanks |
| 17:16.59 | [Granger] | I have three LCDs instead |
| 17:17.04 | kujoe | Wyzard: the error message is "Boot failed: please change disks and press a key to continue" |
| 17:17.15 | Wyzard | the_softrat: I have a LaserJet 1300, which is a nice "personal" sized laser printer (no color) which supports PostScript and doesn't cost too much |
| 17:17.19 | IDC | I want to make sure my 13GIG WD HDD is a 5400RPM or 7200RPM |
| 17:17.33 | kujoe | I'm typing "rescue root=/dev/hda" at the rescue disk boot prompt |
| 17:17.34 | Wyzard | IDC: Look up its model number on WD's website |
| 17:17.47 | somboku | Wyzard: but isnt there a way to change root to an .img file after mount it |
| 17:17.56 | the_softrat | Wyzard:I gotta replace an old HP LaserJet 4/4M PS. I would like bw, ps, and mebbe duplex. |
| 17:17.59 | Wyzard | kujoe: /dev/hda isn't a partition... maybe you mean /dev/hda1 or /dev/hda2 or something? |
| 17:18.00 | IDC | Wyzard, but the problem is i dont know what mode it is,the box is sealed |
| 17:18.14 | kujoe | well yeah, I tried dev/hda1 as well |
| 17:18.15 | Wyzard | the_softrat: Then I'd suggest a 1300 for you too :-) |
| 17:18.16 | kujoe | and same error |
| 17:18.19 | kujoe | same for hda2 |
| 17:18.20 | kujoe | etc.. |
| 17:18.23 | the_softrat | whose 1300? |
| 17:18.30 | somboku | ive read about an virtual server i can stop start and reboot within the real enviroment |
| 17:18.32 | Wyzard | the_softrat: HP LaserJet 1300 |
| 17:18.50 | Wyzard | the_softrat: Actually, I think the 1300 has been superseded by another model, but if you look it up on HP's website, it'll point you to the new one |
| 17:18.57 | the_softrat | Wyzard:T'anks! A Lot!! |
| 17:19.12 | Wyzard | IDC: cat /proc/ide/{drive}/model |
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| 17:19.18 | kujoe | I have 3 partitions on my actual hard drive, I have "/" "swap" and "/home" |
| 17:19.19 | the_softrat | Wyzard: I will research it .... |
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| 17:19.33 | BinaryX | somboku;) lookup VMware or BOCHS |
| 17:19.39 | jasoncohen | when i mount the key using a a KDE device icon set to /dev/sda1 it mounts fine but always says it can't unmount because it's being used and sure enough fuser -m always shows something using it even if i close the window after mounting. This doesn't happen if i do mount /mnt/removable |
| 17:20.03 | Wyzard | the_softrat: If you use USB, you'll need to install hpoj to facilitate communication with the printer, but it's pretty easy to set up and works just fine |
| 17:20.07 | tophyr | hey, i'm having a bit of trouble with bind9 - using dpkg, i --unpack it and all the conf files are copied properly to /etc/bind and such. then i --configure it and suddenly the only file in /etc/bind is rndc.key |
| 17:20.14 | tophyr | is there something i'm missing? |
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| 17:20.26 | Wyzard | BinaryX: No, not Bochs... that emulates the processor, which is slow |
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| 17:20.39 | jim | the_softrat: so I see... |
| 17:20.41 | BinaryX | emulators of a machine = VM = Virtual machine, runs an OS inside a program on another OS |
| 17:20.42 | the_softrat | Back to the top: Is there a HOWTO on how to back up linux ... to cd or dvd if possible... |
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| 17:20.58 | IDC | Wyzard, found it |
| 17:20.59 | IDC | WDC WD136AA |
| 17:20.59 | IDC | ,Thanks |
| 17:21.10 | scorpix | what's the path for the usb port for the printer in 2.6.x kernel ? |
| 17:21.23 | jim | the_softrat: yes, there are several routes you can use for backup |
| 17:21.24 | Wyzard | BinaryX: You don't necessarily need to emulate anything to run a virutal machine |
| 17:21.33 | BinaryX | ok |
| 17:21.44 | somboku | i want to login the user on the ip, and automatically change root to the virutall server |
| 17:21.44 | BinaryX | really? |
| 17:22.07 | jim | in a sense linux is a virtual machine |
| 17:22.07 | BinaryX | oh |
| 17:22.07 | jasoncohen | anyone happpen to know if the gaim deb is compiled with gtkspell support? |
| 17:22.08 | BinaryX | you mean multiuser login |
| 17:22.12 | Wyzard | BinaryX: VMware emulates the peripheral hardware, but does not emulate the processor, so CPU-bound stuff runs at full speed... it's only when the VM tries to talk to hardware (such as a hard drive or video card) that it gets something emulated |
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| 17:22.17 | jim | well not just that |
| 17:22.26 | the_softrat | jim, I don't know how to burn a CD or DVD under Linux. I don't even know if the drive will burn DVDs. |
| 17:22.43 | jim | has it ever burned a dvd before? |
| 17:22.58 | the_softrat | Where is Ahead Nero for Linux-dummies? |
| 17:23.03 | BinaryX | yeah |
| 17:23.06 | BinaryX | i c |
| 17:23.08 | the_softrat | jim, I dunno? |
| 17:23.36 | jim | have you ever caused that drive to burn a dvd, and if so, was that successful? :) |
| 17:23.45 | green_earz | the_softrat: have a look at the how to link > http://www.linux.org/lessons/interm/c316.html |
| 17:24.01 | the_softrat | jim, I can't do certain testing because I haven't moded the kernel for UDF correctly yet... |
| 17:24.03 | techsolo | the_softrat: use k3b that's as easy as nero |
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| 17:24.18 | thom___ | Hello all |
| 17:24.24 | the_softrat | jim, I do not remember |
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| 17:24.36 | thom___ | How can I run .bashrc automatically when I log into debian, sitting at the terminal? |
| 17:24.44 | thom___ | It works fine when I SSH in.. |
| 17:24.45 | jim | the_softrat: ok, then for now let's assume it can burn cds |
| 17:24.48 | the_softrat | techsolo, More on k3b, please.... |
| 17:25.07 | TwistedEmotions_ | Hey I setup ALSA or whatever it's called and it sounds scratchy when I set it to high volumes... worked fine in windows at these same volumes... any ideas? |
| 17:25.18 | starrider | grr gentoo alpha recommends persistent dma buffers |
| 17:25.19 | techsolo | the_softrat: do you have kde |
| 17:25.21 | jim | thom___: while we speak, look at info bash, look for how it starts up |
| 17:25.22 | starrider | i guess im going ot have to recompile |
| 17:25.23 | TwistedEmotions_ | jim: G-Morning |
| 17:25.28 | jim | hiya :) |
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| 17:26.27 | thom___ | jim okay, doing so now |
| 17:26.32 | the_softrat | techsolo, ? KDE ? No, I don't think so. I thought that Debian 'depricated' the use of it. |
| 17:26.39 | ircdevil | microphone is not working - what do i do? (alsa on sarge) |
| 17:26.49 | techsolo | ah then you use gnome |
| 17:26.55 | the_softrat | techsolo, uh... 'deprecated' |
| 17:26.58 | jim | thom___: what you'll find there is the order of files it reads at startup |
| 17:27.00 | techsolo | just start a shell and get root |
| 17:27.11 | jim | depending on whether they exist |
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| 17:27.13 | the_softrat | techsolo, yeah: Debian/Gnome |
| 17:27.31 | techsolo | then apt-get install k3b |
| 17:27.38 | the_softrat | techsolo, actually I prefer comman-line ..... |
| 17:27.40 | Wyzard | the_softrat: No, KDE is not deprecated :-) |
| 17:27.58 | the_softrat | techsolo, Hokay -- will do. |
| 17:28.02 | yarddog | what is a good c++ compiler in debian for development? |
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| 17:28.12 | nagual | gcc ;-) |
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| 17:28.43 | thom___ | jim .bash_profile |
| 17:28.46 | thom___ | ? |
| 17:28.51 | yarddog | i need a linux c++ compiler much like quincy in windows |
| 17:29.10 | jim | thom___: if that file exists, a -login- shell will read it |
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| 17:29.23 | cahoot | ircdevil: got a 'Mic Capture Volume' in asound.state? |
| 17:29.24 | techsolo | the_softrat: command line sheel that's either |
| 17:29.28 | Wyzard | yarddog: GCC supports C++ (among other languages) |
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| 17:29.31 | thom___ | I have .profile |
| 17:29.32 | BinaryX | yarddog you could get kdeveloper |
| 17:29.37 | thom___ | So create that file.. |
| 17:29.43 | ircdevil | cahoot: hmm |
| 17:29.45 | the_softrat | techsolo, How about the 'suggested' and 'recommended' packages? |
| 17:29.57 | Wyzard | yarddog: GCC is the compiler suite that pretty much everyone uses in Linux, and it's good |
| 17:29.58 | thom___ | Jim thanks, I'm pretty new to debian. |
| 17:30.03 | jim | thom___: depending on command line options passed to bash, it can be started as a login shell or not-login shell |
| 17:30.06 | yarddog | hrm |
| 17:30.17 | yarddog | thx |
| 17:30.18 | Ronin | BinaryX: you may want to turn that off here |
| 17:30.43 | Wyzard | yarddog: In Debian, GCC's C++ support is in the package "g++" |
| 17:30.43 | BinaryX | turn what off ronin ? |
| 17:30.46 | yarddog | okie, thank you |
| 17:30.48 | thom___ | jim, so I just need to copy everything in .bashrc into .profile ? |
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| 17:30.50 | Ronin | your aways |
| 17:30.58 | Wyzard | yarddog: and the program to compile things with is also "g++" |
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| 17:31.01 | BinaryX | kdeveloper is a IDE |
| 17:31.01 | thom___ | OR do I need to create .bash_profile ? |
| 17:31.23 | jim | thom___: no problem... you can "include" rather than copy... "source filename" or ". filename" |
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| 17:31.49 | thom___ | oh wait, thats already in there |
| 17:31.50 | the_softrat | One of the 'problems' with Linux is that one never needs to do anything. There are always at least 12 other ways to do the same thing. |
| 17:31.56 | thom___ | But there's an if block around it |
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| 17:32.15 | ircdevil | cahoot: no - that is not there |
| 17:32.30 | thom___ | if [ -f ~/.bashrc]; then |
| 17:32.31 | Yaroon | thom___: uncommend the if block. |
| 17:32.35 | jim | the_softrat: if you prefer command-line (and even if not) you need the cdrecord package, which provides cdrecord command line program |
| 17:32.39 | Yaroon | Remove the #s in front of it. |
| 17:32.41 | thom___ | . ~/.bashrc |
| 17:32.42 | thom___ | if |
| 17:32.43 | thom___ | fi |
| 17:32.49 | Yaroon | Hmm? |
| 17:33.04 | jasoncohen | any idea why when i mount from a KDE device icon, it never lets me unmount until i manually kill the process that's using it even though there are no windows or terminals open in that directory? |
| 17:33.22 | the_softrat | Will apt-get accept the form 'apt-get install package1 package2 package3 ...'? |
| 17:33.33 | jim | the_softrat: you can get gui wrappers to cdrecord |
| 17:33.34 | cahoot | ircdevil: I guess different cards have different entries - look for all references to Mic in the file - see if the settings seem sane |
| 17:33.36 | thom___ | Yargoon it was already uncommented. |
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| 17:33.47 | techsolo | the_softrat: yes it can |
| 17:34.01 | the_softrat | techsolo, thanks |
| 17:34.17 | stouset | the_softrat: yes |
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| 17:34.25 | ircdevil | cahoot: name 'Mic Playback Switch' is set to false - what application writes this file? |
| 17:34.41 | Yaroon | The only thing in Debian you need to do in order to read a user's bashrc at login is uncomment the three lines that form the if-block in the user's .bash_profile, sitting in its home directory. |
| 17:34.42 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Thats sounds like a bug in Konqueror, related to a quirk of dnotify: to monitor a file or directory for changes, Konqueror must hold it open, which prevents the device from being unmounted... but it shouldn't be monitoring it for changes if you don't have any open windows looking at it. |
| 17:35.24 | cahoot | ircdevil: alasmixer |
| 17:35.25 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Sometime in the hopefully-near future (as far as kernel releases go), dnotify will be replaced by inotify, which allows a program to monitor files and directories for changes without preventing them from being unmounted |
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| 17:35.38 | Yaroon | So, thom___ if you just uncommented those... You can either type source .bashrc in a terminal. Or log out and log in again. |
| 17:36.10 | Yaroon | source ~/.bashrc even, in case you're currently not in the home dir. |
| 17:36.23 | ircdevil | cahoot: ah - so that asound.state file is just the setting you adjust with alsamixer |
| 17:36.47 | ircdevil | cahoot: hmmm - i tried everything with alsamixer. something is still bad. |
| 17:36.49 | thom___ | Yaroon, thank you, that worked for this account. |
| 17:36.56 | thom___ | I'm trying to get it to worik for my rootacount |
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| 17:37.30 | Wyzard | ircdevil: alsamixer adjusts the current volume levels of the actual sound card, and "alsactl store" and "alsactl restore" save and load those volume levels to/from asound.state |
| 17:37.33 | the_softrat | techsolo, thanks |
| 17:37.36 | Yaroon | In the 6 years that I have this debian install running I've never needed root besides the initial set-up, and the regular apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade sessions... |
| 17:37.55 | Yaroon | thom___: try not to use root at all :) |
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| 17:37.57 | the_softrat | So ... How do I switch to a KDE desktop? |
| 17:37.58 | stouset | Yaroon: Hell, do that through sudo :-) |
| 17:38.06 | Yaroon | stouset: yeahyeah :) |
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| 17:38.06 | thom___ | sudo, okay |
| 17:38.09 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, thanks for the info |
| 17:38.09 | Wyzard | stouset: sudo still uses root |
| 17:38.11 | ircdevil | Wyzard: ok |
| 17:38.19 | Wyzard | Yaroon: You must not do anything interesting with it ;-) |
| 17:38.21 | thom___ | Wyzard, right but you aren't logged in. |
| 17:38.24 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, it works in KDE 3.3.2 in Mandrake though which is the same version in debian |
| 17:38.45 | thom___ | ls |
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| 17:39.19 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Not actually the same version, necessarily... distributions apply patches of their own, usually bugfixes but sometimes new features |
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| 17:39.39 | ircdevil | something strange is going on here. alsamixer doesnt control shite - i cant adjust even volume? |
| 17:39.44 | Yaroon | thom___: isn't /root/.bashrc run by default when logging in as root? You don't need to do anything to 'activate' it. |
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| 17:40.09 | ircdevil | boy, i do hate alsa |
| 17:40.10 | thom___ | Yaroon, no what was happening is the first line of that file was commented. |
| 17:40.11 | starrider | i got this strange woarning using -initrd with make-dkpg |
| 17:40.14 | thom___ | I didn't see that. |
| 17:40.18 | starrider | is it safe to use ? |
| 17:40.26 | IDC | I have a question please: A. you built a servr to do NAT/Proxy job that a client in the same LAN machine connects to it then to internet. B. you built a server which provides http service to the rest of world ,currently only 1 clients from remote connects to it. Q: in those 2 conditions are the resource usage on server same ? or totally different ? |
| 17:40.27 | lef | hm, I am trying to facilitate ssh logins without passphrases for rsnapshot. I have created a public and private key pair and copied the public key to the server but I still get asked for a passphrase. How can I avoid this. SSH agent is for interactive use afaik and I want this to work for daemon processes |
| 17:40.36 | gogo3or | Hi i have gor problem witch kde 3.3 until now it's work ok but now i must waitnig 45 sec. to load some window or aplication where is problem? |
| 17:40.38 | Esotericisms | I am having an issue with my network with my debian install ... it just stops working after a while .. if I do an 'ifconfig' it shows it as up ... then if I do an 'ifconfig eth0 down' and then 'ifconfig eth0 up' and then try doing a ping to like google.com for example, I get network unreachable .. but I can ping my gateway IP address |
| 17:40.42 | Esotericisms | can anyone help? |
| 17:40.50 | thom___ | this line: ~/.profile |
| 17:40.59 | Wyzard | ircdevil: alsamixer works fine on my system... there are mixer controls which don't "do anything" (they control stuff that I'm not utilizing anyway), but other controls that do control the volume of the sound I hear |
| 17:41.00 | paulswm | !tell BinaryX about away |
| 17:41.13 | jasoncohen | lol, anyone know how to disable the annoying bouncy icon that follows your mouse icon after you load an app? i've been searching from kcontrol but can't find the setting |
| 17:41.43 | ircdevil | Wyzard: volume control in all applications dont work. xmms, alsamixer ... |
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| 17:41.44 | Esotericisms | my debian install seems to be loosing its default route for some reason |
| 17:42.14 | cahoot | ircdevil: sometimes an alternative mixer (like gamix) gives better control over the settings - some of which might not show up in alsamixer |
| 17:42.14 | Wyzard | lef: Are you being asked for the private key's passphrase, or for the remote account's passphrase? |
| 17:42.15 | somboku | #join |
| 17:42.36 | green_earz | lef: http://www.madpenguin.org/cms/html/17/1505.html for ssh/authorized |
| 17:42.42 | ircdevil | cahoot: naaa, something is bad here with kernel modules ... |
| 17:42.52 | lef | Wyzard, erm, I am not sure what you mean. I am asked for a passphrase and I enter the passphrase for the key I created on my client machine and it works. I log on succefully |
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| 17:43.41 | Wyzard | lef: So it's saying something along the lines of "Enter passphrase for /home/lef/.ssh/id_dsa" ? |
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| 17:43.56 | lef | green_earz, this is what I have done, yet I am being asked for the passphrase |
| 17:44.01 | lef | Wyzard, one sec. I will check :) |
| 17:44.20 | Wyzard | lef: and not "Enter passphrase for user@host" ? |
| 17:44.45 | lef | Wyzard, ""Enter passphrase for key '/root/.ssh/id_dsa' |
| 17:45.03 | lef | Wyzard, so I guess it is for the remote machine?? |
| 17:45.07 | Wyzard | lef: OK, so the key-based authentication is working properly, good |
| 17:45.16 | stouset | lef: You should really be using an RSA key. |
| 17:45.22 | Wyzard | stouset: Umm, why? |
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| 17:45.30 | koollman | stouset: why? |
| 17:45.39 | stouset | Wyzard: I was under the impression that DSA keys had a significant attack against them. |
| 17:46.15 | lef | Wyzard, so what's the next step. Am I missing some important detail? |
| 17:46.16 | stouset | Let me try and find the place I read it. |
| 17:46.23 | Wyzard | stouset: I haven't heard of such an attack, though I don't claim to know everything that goes on in the crypto field... but it'd probably have been announced on slashdot or something |
| 17:46.37 | Wyzard | stouset: Are you maybe thinking of the SHA-1 attack? |
| 17:46.43 | stouset | Wyzard: No |
| 17:46.49 | jim | starrider: I've used it without problem, once I had everyting set up and installed properly |
| 17:46.58 | stouset | Wyzard: A specific severe weakness in the DSA keys themselves. Let me find where I read it. |
| 17:47.03 | lef | Wyzard, he is right that there have been discussions about the security of DSA |
| 17:47.22 | lef | I am not that paranoid though, either DSA or RSA are good enough for my purposes |
| 17:47.43 | lef | I just want to automate logins so that rsnapshot takes backups :) |
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| 17:48.24 | Wyzard | lef: Your options are to either configure the daemon to provide the passphrase at the appropriate time, provide the daemon with an ssh-agent that's been preloaded with the key (by starting it with SSH_AGENT_PID and SSH_AUTH_SOCK pointing to a running ssh-agent), or remove the passphrase from the private key |
| 17:48.49 | Wyzard | lef: The third option (removing the passphrase from the key) is the easiest but the least secure |
| 17:49.01 | ircdevil | ok - i got volume control to work in xmms. |
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| 17:49.18 | lef | Wyzard, I have to find out how to configure a solution based either on 1 or 2 |
| 17:49.21 | lef | hm |
| 17:49.30 | IDC | if i stop atd,will this affect to programs which have been assigned to run by cron ? |
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| 17:50.19 | ircdevil | alsamixer can mute the different channels - but there is not volume control ? |
| 17:50.22 | stouset | IDC: No |
| 17:50.34 | IDC | ok,let me diactive it |
| 17:51.07 | ircdevil | man, alsa it THE No1 time-robber |
| 17:51.08 | lef | Wyzard, taken from rsnapshot official howto: "You must have key-based logins enabled for the root user at example.com, without passphrases." I guess I have to go for the third option :( |
| 17:51.16 | Wyzard | ircdevil: It probably depends on the driver for your card... on an SB Live, volume control works fine, but I don't have experience with other cards |
| 17:51.21 | techsolo | any body xperience with X.org under sarge? |
| 17:51.35 | Wyzard | techsolo: X.org isn't packaged for sarge |
| 17:51.46 | ircdevil | Wyzard: this is this intel8x0 which is just as common imho |
| 17:52.02 | lef | what is X.org??? |
| 17:52.04 | techsolo | not official i know |
| 17:52.14 | Wyzard | lef: Any of those 3 options would work, but the third is definitely the easiest... just make sure other users don't have read access to root's ~/.ssh directory (but they shouldn't anyway) |
| 17:52.16 | techsolo | but from an unofficial mirror |
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| 17:52.32 | IoP | techsolo: I have installed it under /usr/local/ |
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| 17:52.44 | enyc | Hrrm, |
| 17:52.46 | ircdevil | xorg |
| 17:52.48 | ircdevil | !xorg |
| 17:52.48 | dpkg | xorg is, like, X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 17:52.55 | enyc | whats a good non-resource-hungry but coviniient x11 window manager? ;-) |
| 17:53.07 | ircdevil | enyc: fvwm |
| 17:53.12 | lef | Wyzard, option one is not feasible I guess because rsnapshot doesn't facilitate use of passphrases afaiu. I will look for the second one |
| 17:53.17 | Wyzard | enyc: Many people seem to like Fluxbox |
| 17:53.23 | edison | Help i want to enable DMA to my kernel, does i need to recompile it or use kernel parameter at boot prompt ? |
| 17:54.06 | enyc | Right.. erm.. |
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| 17:54.19 | enyc | whats the suggested way to conviniently start X11 and fvwm ;-) |
| 17:54.31 | enyc | via a display manager [e.g. gdm/xdm/kdm] ?? |
| 17:54.40 | enyc | [or fluxbox] |
| 17:54.43 | Wyzard | enyc: ~/.xsession |
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| 17:55.07 | Wyzard | enyc: Or add a file in /etc/gdm/Sessions |
| 17:55.11 | mihaly | in what file is the current backgound store in for gnome? |
| 17:55.31 | Wyzard | mihaly: The filename of the wallpaper image is stored in GConf |
| 17:55.43 | techsolo | does anybody ran lg3d already on debian |
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| 17:56.14 | schrankwand | hi, what does grep returns if it doesn't found anything? |
| 17:56.16 | enyc | hrrm .xsession is for "startx" but not "xinit" ? |
| 17:56.42 | Wyzard | enyc: It works for both |
| 17:57.03 | Wyzard | enyc: If you don't have a ~/.xinitrc, xinit runs /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc, which runs /etc/X11/Xsession, which runs your ~/.xsession |
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| 17:57.17 | mihaly | Wyzard: .gconf is a directory or where is this GConf file stored? |
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| 17:57.38 | enyc | wyza: ehy.. thanks ;-) |
| 17:57.46 | Wyzard | mihaly: The files are stored in ~/.gconf, but you shouldn't edit them while gconfd is running |
| 17:57.57 | cinix | Does anyone see google opening all windows from the search results in a new window... or is it just me |
| 17:58.24 | Wyzard | mihaly: You can use gconf-editor (GUI) or gconftool (command-line) to edit stuff in GConf |
| 17:58.31 | the_softrat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:58.45 | Wyzard | mihaly: Or you could just right-click on your desktop and pick "Change Desktop Background" from the menu |
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| 17:58.58 | enyc | it just doesnt have a debian-PACKAGED mta |
| 17:58.59 | uwe | Heya |
| 17:59.15 | Wyzard | enyc: And now you see (part of) why it's a bad idea to install non-packaged software :-) |
| 17:59.18 | mihaly | the right click thing keeps crashing :) |
| 17:59.24 | enyc | hence, id liek to be abke to have debian pkg mutt without debian package exim4 ;-) |
| 17:59.25 | Wyzard | enyc: You can use equivs for that, though |
| 17:59.36 | enyc | how do I do that? |
| 17:59.49 | Wyzard | mihaly: Well, that's a bigger problem that you should probably work on solving first |
| 18:00.02 | Wyzard | enyc: apt-get install equivs && read its documentation |
| 18:00.09 | LuPuZ | Can anyone recommend an good ircd that runs good on Debian? have tried Unrealircd... but got lots of errors when installing |
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| 18:00.22 | mihaly | Wyzard: it got into a crash loop after I tried to use a file the contained none english chars in the file name |
| 18:00.28 | enyc | kk |
| 18:00.45 | War2 | enyc: $ apt-cache search equivs ... equivs - Circumvent Debian package dependencies |
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| 18:00.59 | enyc | thankyou war2/wyza: thats most useful to know ;-) |
| 18:01.05 | mihaly | I have since that removed the file but it keeps crashing |
| 18:01.15 | ircdevil | we do agree that cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp is the way to test if a microphone works ? |
| 18:01.22 | Wyzard | mihaly: ah... well, that's definitely a bug -- GConf should correctly handle any characters in UTF-8, and should reject broken UTF-8 input |
| 18:01.30 | Wyzard | mihaly: But anyway, apt-get install gconf-editor |
| 18:01.48 | TwistedEmotions_ | Anyone know how to get X Multimedia System... the default MP3 player that comes with xfce4 to add a directory and all the folders INSIDE that directory? |
| 18:02.00 | mihaly | I had gconf.. I am browsing around in it right now |
| 18:02.07 | enyc | icrd: depends.. thats the OSS way.. |
| 18:02.15 | Wyzard | mihaly: /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename |
| 18:02.43 | IDC | can i diactive 'makedev' ? |
| 18:02.56 | jasoncohen | what's the gnome tool called that allows you to view windows shares without mounting them? |
| 18:02.58 | TwistedEmotions_ | Err... figured it out.. damn I'm good.. |
| 18:03.01 | Marticus | hey what's the fngoogleit site? |
| 18:03.01 | enyc | ircd: depends on volume levels on the input/selectors etc. |
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| 18:03.12 | Marticus | I want to link someone to it heh |
| 18:03.53 | BinaryX | LuPuZ;) maybe jabber |
| 18:04.00 | edison | Help when i do hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd i get an error "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" Does it mean my kernel don't support DMA ? |
| 18:04.30 | IDC | edison, run it as root |
| 18:04.49 | IDC | edison, hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdd |
| 18:05.05 | IDC | hdparm -l /dev/hdd #check status |
| 18:05.38 | IDC | edison, if after a reboot all back to default,check in /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 18:06.05 | edison | IDC i run it as root but it look my kernel don't support DMA |
| 18:06.21 | IDC | oh |
| 18:06.48 | naddar | i installed with apt-get vstream but how i can start it now |
| 18:06.50 | naddar | dont find it |
| 18:06.53 | xerophyte | Does anybody use trac if so is there anyway you can open ticket using email pipe |
| 18:06.53 | naddar | anyone |
| 18:07.00 | IDC | edison, be aware add DMA support in kernel :) |
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| 18:07.49 | edison | IDC, that my question i run kernel 2.4 and i don't know where to enable it in menuconfig |
| 18:08.15 | Wyzard | edison: It's in the section where all the IDE drivers are |
| 18:08.26 | IDC | edison, hmm |
| 18:08.39 | IDC | edison, do this |
| 18:08.48 | Wyzard | edison: with a title like "Use IDE DMA by default" or something like that |
| 18:08.54 | IDC | edison, open your current .config file,search of DMA |
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| 18:09.10 | jim | naddar: if something in a package has to be started (like a server program), usually the packaging starts it |
| 18:09.31 | naddar | vstream - bttv video capture utility aimed at making MPEGs |
| 18:09.32 | mihaly | Wyzard : you might not know what file the "right click and change wallpapper"-thing has its file? or how it can be reset? |
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| 18:09.57 | IDC | edison, sorry, i forgot where it is exactly in kernel config window |
| 18:09.59 | edison | Wyzard, ATA/IDE/MFM ... but inside that they have option for DMA PCI |
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| 18:10.56 | edison | Does it in the IDE chipsed support/bugfixs ? |
| 18:11.04 | naddar | damn how can i start that |
| 18:11.08 | jim | naddar: you can see what files were installed in any package (say, named "packagename") by using dpkg -L packagename |
| 18:11.39 | Wyzard | mihaly: I'm not sure what you mean... that wallpaper selector window just chooses a filename to store in that GConf key |
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| 18:12.28 | TwistedEmotions_ | Anyone ever gotten yahoo launchcast (music videos) to work on debian? |
| 18:12.46 | mihaly | Wyzard : I changed the wallpapper by editing with gconf-editor but the selector still crashes if I appempt to open it |
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| 18:13.32 | gurubie | I've been plugging alone with Sid for months now; pinning buggy packs and upgrading them later. So who is testing for? |
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| 18:13.47 | Wyzard | mihaly: Found it... ~/.gnome2/backgrounds.xml |
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| 18:14.18 | naddar | jim: ii vstream 0.4.5-3 bttv video capture utility aimed at making M |
| 18:14.49 | jim | naddar: oh, that's -L? |
| 18:14.57 | jim | try -l |
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| 18:15.07 | TwistedEmotions_ | Anyone? Launchcast? |
| 18:15.34 | jasoncohen | um...i loaded nautilus network: and it changed my KDE background and icons to gnome defaults? Any way to run nautilus without screwing up KDE? |
| 18:15.43 | Xinux | NEW VIDEO CARD |
| 18:15.46 | Xinux | w00t!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:15.51 | Wyzard | mihaly: Experiment a bit with that file's name... copy the old name into a text file, then rename it so it contains non-English characters that you've typed yourself, and see whether that still has problems |
| 18:15.55 | Xinux | Radeon 9250 go!!!!!!! |
| 18:16.14 | gurubie | So, thoses of you who stick with testing, what makes it better for you? |
| 18:16.16 | TwistedEmotions_ | Xinux: Errr.... 9700 Pro.. and its like 4 years old.. |
| 18:16.22 | Wyzard | mihaly: File a bug with your findings... I'm not sure which package it'd be best reported against, though |
| 18:16.22 | mihaly | Wyzard : the first entry in the file didn't have a filename and removing that entry made it work |
| 18:16.24 | abrotman | jak: you the same with the x40? |
| 18:16.32 | Wyzard | mihaly: ah... interesting |
| 18:16.40 | Xinux | 4 years lol |
| 18:16.40 | ircdevil | stupid mike |
| 18:16.46 | Xinux | i care? |
| 18:17.03 | jim | gurubie: newer than stable, not so screwed up as sid can be |
| 18:17.04 | BitShift | gurubie, the fact that my keyboard doesn't work when i try to install woody? :) |
| 18:17.08 | mihaly | Wyzard: thanks for your help |
| 18:17.13 | abrotman | jim: sometimes more screwed up than sid :P) |
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| 18:17.18 | TwistedEmotions_ | gurubie: You dont have any problems running sid packages? |
| 18:17.22 | sether | sup jasoncohen |
| 18:17.28 | jasoncohen | hey sether |
| 18:17.42 | sether | :) |
| 18:17.56 | jim | abrotman: I guess that would be due to the automatic "leak" of packages into testing from sid... |
| 18:18.04 | jasoncohen | my system is running well. I've gotten almost everything setup in debian |
| 18:18.04 | Wyzard | mihaly: You should file a bug against the "capplets" package (which contains gnome-background-properties) saying that gnome-background-properties crashes if one of those entries has an empty filename |
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| 18:18.23 | glick | but in my newly compiled vanilla 2.6 kernel it bitches about invalid fylesystem even though i have vfat support compiled in |
| 18:18.23 | mihaly | how do I do that? |
| 18:18.28 | Wyzard | mihaly: reportbug |
| 18:18.32 | gurubie | TwistedEmotions_, Not really, I reject the known critical buggy ones an dknock on wood, no problems are outstanding. |
| 18:18.37 | abrotman | jim: and stuff like kde half in/out |
| 18:18.45 | glick | how come my 2.4 kernel can mount my usb stick no problem but in my newly compiled vanilla 2.6 kernel it bitches about invalid fylesystem even though i have vfat support compiled in |
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| 18:18.57 | TwistedEmotions_ | gurubie: Good deal... |
| 18:18.58 | simonrvn | abrotman: hello |
| 18:19.10 | abrotman | simonrvn: he |
| 18:19.11 | abrotman | hi |
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| 18:19.13 | jim | abrotman: right, there should be a way to deal with that... either all in or all out |
| 18:19.16 | TwistedEmotions_ | gurubie: Still to newb to run something like that as of yet.. |
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| 18:19.21 | abrotman | jim: oh well |
| 18:19.32 | gurubie | TwistedEmotions_, I suppose it depends on the apps you depend on. |
| 18:19.35 | Wyzard | glick: Good question... vfat works fine for me in 2.6 |
| 18:19.36 | jim | hmm, there -is- the depend tree... |
| 18:19.49 | Wyzard | glick: I've always compiled it as a module, not statically, but that shouldn't make a difference |
| 18:19.56 | glick | hmm |
| 18:20.01 | jim | if package would leak but depend not satisfied, package stays in sid |
| 18:20.17 | TwistedEmotions_ | gurubie: 90% of my usage is with apt-get... cause basically only command I know.. |
| 18:20.26 | jim | that should solve that one |
| 18:20.26 | abrotman | streuner: it's getting close |
| 18:21.04 | BitShift | glick, did you also compile the USB device filesystem? it's under device drivers -> usb support. |
| 18:21.32 | Xinux | buh bye |
| 18:21.41 | BitShift | glick, oh, and don't forget usb mass storage support under the same menu. |
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| 18:21.57 | gurubie | TwistedEmotions_, I usually use Synaptic and I find it great to search on what programs actually are (discriptions.) |
| 18:22.11 | abrotman | description |
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| 18:22.33 | initech | i've always just used apt-cache and apt-get |
| 18:22.38 | Wyzard | gurubie: "apt-cache search" searches descriptions too |
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| 18:23.35 | gurubie | Wyzard, yes, I like it but my newbie converts do not. |
| 18:23.37 | glick | BitShift, yup ive got all that stuff, i checked in /proc/filesystems |
| 18:23.42 | glick | and in it ive got usbfs |
| 18:23.44 | glick | vfat |
| 18:23.57 | glick | and dmesg correctly sees the device when i plu it in |
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| 18:24.11 | Eclipser | how did I check programs return value in bash again? |
| 18:24.14 | Wyzard | glick: Can you mount a vfat filesystem that's not on a USB device? |
| 18:24.16 | BitShift | glick, hmmm... does fdisk -l return something? |
| 18:24.29 | abrotman | erm .. any of you know why DRI only works in one instance of X ? |
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| 18:25.03 | nse | which video manipulating tool for GNOME ? |
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| 18:27.09 | mihaly | Wyzard: I posted the bug now |
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| 18:28.04 | Wyzard | mihaly: Good :-) |
| 18:28.09 | mihaly | :) |
| 18:28.45 | mihaly | Wyzard: where can I get and volym controller applet the works with alsa |
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| 18:29.07 | Wyzard | mihaly: gnome-alsamixer |
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| 18:29.40 | peritus | something strange happend to me. update-rc.d seems to be gone.. -su: update-rc.d: command not found, which package does update-rc.d belong to? |
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| 18:30.27 | YaleR | anyone know when ff 1.0.4 will be in the repos? |
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| 18:30.54 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox sid |
| 18:31.01 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24368 kB |
| 18:31.02 | abrotman | peritus: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:31.13 | mihaly | Wyzard : nice application but I wanted one of those things you dock into the panels.... I thought those where called applets |
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| 18:32.01 | YaleR | abrotman: that didn't answer my question :s |
| 18:32.07 | YaleR | I could apt-cache show if I wanted |
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| 18:32.42 | glick | voyager:~# fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 18:32.42 | glick | Disk /dev/sda: 65 MB, 65798144 bytes |
| 18:32.42 | glick | 3 heads, 42 sectors/track, 1019 cylinders |
| 18:32.42 | glick | Units = cylinders of 126 * 512 = 64512 bytes |
| 18:32.42 | glick | Disk /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partition table |
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| 18:32.51 | ircdevil | do i need a special kernel module to enable sound capturing? (recording) |
| 18:32.52 | Wyzard | mihaly: Oh... there's a volume-control applet too, but I don't think you need to install any extra packages to get it |
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| 18:32.58 | Wyzard | ircdevil: no |
| 18:33.17 | abrotman | YaleR: WIR |
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| 18:33.21 | peritus | heh. sorry, my PATH was just screwed :) |
| 18:33.29 | Wyzard | mihaly: Just right-click on the panel and "add to panel" |
| 18:33.31 | ircdevil | Wyzard: alsamaxer doesnt allow capute for mic, line in, etc |
| 18:33.31 | mihaly | Wyzard: yea there is one that comes with gnome but that one doesn't seam to work with alsa |
| 18:33.49 | YaleR | abrotman: wir? |
| 18:33.54 | abrotman | !wir |
| 18:33.54 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 18:34.07 | mihaly | Wyzard: atleast it isn't finding my sound device |
| 18:34.09 | YaleR | good answer, I thought it was... |
| 18:34.19 | abrotman | YaleR: you can check the bts too |
| 18:34.28 | Wyzard | mihaly: If you load the "snd-pcm-oss" and "snd-mixer-oss" modules, programs that use the OSS sound interfaces (such as the GNOME volume applet) will work with ALSA |
| 18:34.37 | asg | abrotman: 1.0.4-1 made it into sid this morning |
| 18:34.46 | abrotman | asg: dpkg is slow |
| 18:34.49 | asg | abrotman: yes |
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| 18:35.15 | abrotman | YaleR: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308620 |
| 18:35.18 | YaleR | asg: then how come I don't have it :S |
| 18:35.31 | abrotman | YaleR: /msg dpkg incoming .. if you really can't wait |
| 18:35.38 | asg | YaleR: are you using sid? |
| 18:35.50 | YaleR | uhm, testing |
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| 18:35.53 | YaleR | I think |
| 18:36.02 | jasoncohen | what's the command to change the display manager? |
| 18:36.05 | abrotman | asg: oh .. it's really in sid :) |
| 18:36.08 | abrotman | i thought just incoming |
| 18:36.31 | asg | abrotman: my dist-upgrade this morning brought it in. |
| 18:36.31 | glick | anyone have any idea what i am over looking? |
| 18:36.40 | YaleR | perhaps my source doesn't have it - anyone have one that does have it? |
| 18:37.23 | asg | YaleR: it's in main (for sid.) It might not make it into sarge (due to the freeze) though the security fixes will be applied to 1.0.3 (unless then can't and then 1.0.4 will be in sarge.) |
| 18:37.41 | sether | jasoncohen: what do you want to change it to? |
| 18:37.46 | jasoncohen | kdm |
| 18:38.07 | jasoncohen | gdm is nice but you can't reboot from within KDE with gdm |
| 18:38.12 | sether | jasoncohen: try dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 18:38.34 | abrotman | jasoncohen: yes you can |
| 18:38.37 | jasoncohen | done, thanks |
| 18:38.39 | jasoncohen | abrotman, how? |
| 18:38.53 | jasoncohen | it just gives me the option to log out |
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| 18:39.19 | YaleR | asg: can you give me the apt source :) |
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| 18:39.43 | Wyzard | YaleR: It's not an issue of which mirror you're using... you're running sarge, and sarge doesn't have that version yet |
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| 18:40.01 | asg | YaleR: you'll have to wait. Mixing sid and sarge at this point will be problematic most likely. |
| 18:40.16 | YaleR | testing is sarge? - which is sid? unstable? |
| 18:40.19 | jasoncohen | i installed mozilla-firefox from sid and it works fine |
| 18:40.30 | Wyzard | YaleR: testing == sarge, unstable == sid |
| 18:40.46 | YaleR | can I change all of mine unstable and update? |
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| 18:40.54 | Wyzard | YaleR: Once sarge is released, stable will be sarge, testing will be etch, and unstable will continue to be (as always) sid |
| 18:40.55 | asg | YaleR: /msg dpkg sid faq (beware) |
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| 18:41.12 | jasoncohen | YaleR, you can add an entry in /etc/apt/apt.conf to specify that testing is your default so that you can manually install unstable packages with apt-get install package/unstable or apt-get -t unstable package |
| 18:41.12 | abrotman | jasoncohen: #debian-kde might know a bit more .. but i don't see why gdm would prevent kde from having a system menu |
| 18:41.24 | jasoncohen | thanks |
| 18:41.32 | Wyzard | YaleR: You want to upgrade your whole system to unstable just to get Firefox 1.4? |
| 18:41.41 | Wyzard | oops, 1.0.4 |
| 18:41.56 | YaleR | well.... I like new things.... |
| 18:41.58 | YaleR | :P |
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| 18:42.45 | schrankwand | is there a way to execute a shellscript each time when i shutdown my pc? |
| 18:42.46 | Wyzard | YaleR: There's nothing fundamentally wrong with running unstable -- many people do run it, myself included -- but you need to understand that it's called "unstable" for a reason, and doing it just to get a newer version of one package seems like a very stupid idea. |
| 18:42.51 | jasoncohen | YaleR, echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing"';' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 18:42.55 | asg | YaleR: it provides nothing besides security fixes. If you must get it, just download the deb from snapshot.debian.net (and dpkg -i it) |
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| 18:43.21 | jasoncohen | YaleR, then copy your testing entry and change testing to unstable |
| 18:43.27 | Wyzard | YaleR: unstable/sid is where new packages go, so that if they have major bugs, they can be found and reported before the package goes into testing |
| 18:43.45 | Wyzard | YaleR: Hence, unstable/sid gets hit with all the major bugs that testing is shielded from |
| 18:43.46 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 18:43.49 | jasoncohen | i.e. deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 18:44.08 | YaleR | alright I'll just leave it how it is then... |
| 18:44.29 | jasoncohen | YaleR, if you just want one or two sid packages you don't need to install sid |
| 18:44.37 | YaleR | the people at firefox are dicks though... block me from getting themes or extentions... |
| 18:45.03 | YaleR | jasoncohen: thanks, I think I may just do that |
| 18:45.24 | Wyzard | YaleR: As jasoncohen is saying, you can use pinning (/msg dpkg pinning) to try installing the Firefox package from sid without upgrading anything else, but that may or may not actually work |
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| 18:45.43 | jasoncohen | worked fine here- no bugs |
| 18:46.18 | jasoncohen | i did the same with gaim 1.3, gaim-encryption without problems as well |
| 18:46.34 | jasoncohen | brb |
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| 18:49.58 | will_cat | somebody could tell me how to install x.org in debian sarge? |
| 18:50.14 | abrotman | xorg isn't in debian |
| 18:50.19 | abrotman | !tell will_cat about xorg |
| 18:50.31 | will_cat | there's no way to install any package of x.org? |
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| 18:50.57 | abrotman | will_cat: i'm not saying that.. i'm just not going to help you .. because then when it dies .. you'll want me to help you again :) |
| 18:51.08 | abrotman | and i've never done xorg on my own . let alone for someone else :) |
| 18:51.26 | abrotman | will_cat: and that trunk thing might help you |
| 18:52.11 | McMcFly | will_cat: http://blogs.vislab.usyd.edu.au/index.php/Steve/2004/09/09/installing_a_non_intrusive_x |
| 18:52.21 | will_cat | ok |
| 18:52.23 | will_cat | i got it |
| 18:52.24 | will_cat | thanks |
| 18:52.31 | will_cat | i try to install it |
| 18:52.46 | will_cat | sarge is frozen, when will it be release? |
| 18:52.48 | streuner | abrotman: only 100 ! |
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| 18:53.09 | abrotman | streuner: probably tomorrow :) |
| 18:53.15 | abrotman | streuner: what do i win ? |
| 18:53.20 | jasoncohen | hmm, i no longer have sound. what should i do to troubleshoot? |
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| 18:53.46 | streuner | abrotman: *shrug* |
| 18:53.53 | abrotman | streuner: a lifetime ban :) |
| 18:54.07 | sether | jasoncohen: what's changed since you had sound? |
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| 18:54.59 | RvGaTe2 | RvGaTe ? |
| 18:55.06 | RvGaTe2 | strange |
| 18:56.04 | jasoncohen | i'm not sure. I just started playing a video- noticed there was no sound. I then tried amarok and again there was no sound. I rebooted and there is still no sound- but i do have kdm |
| 18:56.18 | incorrect | has any used easy-rsa that comes with openvpn |
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| 18:56.38 | jasoncohen | incorrect, i have |
| 18:56.43 | jasoncohen | i setup several openvpn servers |
| 18:56.56 | jasoncohen | but the documentation is truly excellent |
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| 18:57.07 | jasoncohen | http://openvpn.net/howto.html |
| 18:57.22 | incorrect | jasoncohen, yeah, i've read it, but i've got an odd problem |
| 18:57.26 | jasoncohen | just follow the instructions. it'll allow you to setup your server and also gives instructions for more advanced features |
| 18:57.29 | jasoncohen | incorrect, what? |
| 18:57.37 | incorrect | i can get build-key-server server and that works great |
| 18:57.38 | nse | which video manipulating tool for GNOME ? |
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| 18:57.52 | incorrect | i can do build-key client1 and it fails during signing |
| 18:58.34 | jasoncohen | what's the error? |
| 18:58.48 | incorrect | Sign the certificate? [y/n]:y |
| 18:58.48 | incorrect | failed to update database |
| 18:58.48 | incorrect | TXT_DB error number 2 |
| 18:59.01 | incorrect | not very helpful |
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| 19:00.00 | jim | true... it might be nice to find out what it means by 2 |
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| 19:00.57 | Neerlan_Amorim | what is it? make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
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| 19:01.34 | joel_ | you have a good time now |
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| 19:01.39 | joel_ | and don't drink too much |
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| 19:01.40 | helix | daniel_against_s: what are you against? |
| 19:01.40 | enyc | hrrrm |
| 19:01.44 | jasoncohen | sether, any ideas about my sound problem? |
| 19:01.46 | jim | s |
| 19:01.49 | helix | enyc: your name should be 'enyce' |
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| 19:02.00 | daniel_against_s | against scribus. at least i am fighting |
| 19:02.02 | stupid_user | anybody knows, how can i make korganizer to alert me of evens via kalarm daemon? |
| 19:02.13 | enyc | how do I get debian-sarge xfree86 dto display more debugging detaoils of the driver like the woody xfree86-4.1 ???? |
| 19:02.16 | enyc | helix: dont understand |
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| 19:02.30 | helix | it's ok |
| 19:02.38 | gravity | enyc: What's wrong with the output of /var/log/XFree.0.log? |
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| 19:02.50 | sether | jasoncohen: nope, sorry. |
| 19:03.08 | Wyzard | Neerlan_Amorim: That "build" directory is usually a symlink to the kernel source tree that the modules were built from, but if the kernel was built on a different system or if you deleted the source tree, the link will be broken |
| 19:03.10 | jasoncohen | is there a way to reload or change the driver? |
| 19:03.17 | enyc | grav: aaah didnt thinkg of looking for lok -- was used tho the messages being on-console |
| 19:03.26 | enyc | helix: ?why do you think my name should be 'enyce' ? |
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| 19:04.27 | sether | enyc: enyce is a clothing company |
| 19:04.50 | enyc | seth: errrrr dont know about them.. what country etc. ? |
| 19:05.07 | enyc | hrrm.. X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 19:05.13 | chamane | hello everyone, does debian install in french ? |
| 19:05.19 | tarzeau | chamane: oui |
| 19:05.28 | chamane | merci tarzeau |
| 19:05.32 | jasoncohen | why does sarge have gnupg 1.2.5 rather than 1.4.x? |
| 19:05.34 | tarzeau | chamane: de rien |
| 19:06.00 | chamane | last version is debian-30r4-i386 right ? |
| 19:06.08 | tarzeau | no, r5 |
| 19:06.11 | tarzeau | but that's stable |
| 19:06.13 | tarzeau | !d-i |
| 19:06.13 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 19:06.22 | chamane | hmm |
| 19:06.23 | tarzeau | you might want to try 3.1 |
| 19:06.30 | chamane | where |
| 19:06.33 | gravity | enyc: What exactly did you do to your X config? |
| 19:06.58 | enyc | grav: err added extra "modes" |
| 19:06.58 | chamane | where is 3.1 tarzeau ? |
| 19:06.58 | enyc | grav: but I also have upgraded woody-sarge |
| 19:07.02 | tarzeau | chamane: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:07.11 | chamane | merci beaucoup |
| 19:07.33 | Wyzard | chamane: That'll install sarge, which is currently in pre-release freeze but hasn't been officially released yet... still, it's quite usable |
| 19:07.47 | chamane | ok |
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| 19:08.51 | Wyzard | chamane: It'll probably be released within a few weeks, but there'll be some changes during that time (mostly bugfixes), so you should update periodically |
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| 19:09.40 | chamane | ok thank u Wyzard |
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| 19:10.31 | chamane | ouff i see 14 cds there ? |
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| 19:11.02 | chamane | how many cds do i need ? |
| 19:11.09 | pipeline | Just one. |
| 19:11.14 | Wyzard | chamane: If you'll have an Internet connection available while installing, you don't need those... just get the "netinst" or "businesscard" CD, and it'll download the rest as necessary |
| 19:11.41 | Wyzard | chamane: The 14-CD set contains *every* package available in Debian, but most of them are software you'll never even use |
| 19:11.42 | chamane | well i have a fast connection |
| 19:11.58 | chamane | i want to burn them |
| 19:12.16 | chamane | should i get like the first 3 or so |
| 19:12.29 | pipeline | chamane: You probably only want the first one. |
| 19:12.31 | Wyzard | chamane: Don't burn the full set... remember, sarge isn't released, so those CDs are still subject to change |
| 19:12.39 | pipeline | chamane: I wouldn't bother to download the full set until sarge is released. |
| 19:12.44 | Wyzard | chamane: Don't burn something that'l be obsolete in a few weeks |
| 19:12.45 | glick | damn this kernel |
| 19:12.46 | chamane | ok right i forgot |
| 19:12.50 | chamane | ok thanks |
| 19:12.50 | jasoncohen | sether, i fixed the sound problem with my uber-elite skillzz. I opened kmix and unmuted master :) |
| 19:12.59 | Wyzard | chamane: I'd use the businesscard CD |
| 19:13.01 | pureone | wouldnt you have to update the software once you install if you was to use the packages from cd the 7 cd set? |
| 19:13.04 | sether | jasoncohen: haha |
| 19:13.06 | IDC | Bye all,gotta go to bed :) |
| 19:13.06 | jasoncohen | system problem 0 user stupidity 1 |
| 19:13.07 | chamane | really |
| 19:13.09 | chamane | ok |
| 19:13.14 | gravity | Ugh... you leave for 5 minutes and they get impatient |
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| 19:13.24 | Wyzard | pureone: Yes, you would |
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| 19:13.37 | chamane | ok getting it |
| 19:13.42 | glick | hmm any one else havin trouble mountin usb sticks in 2.6 custom compiled vanilla kernel? |
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| 19:13.56 | Wyzard | pureone: Actually, you should *always* update after installing, even when installing a stable release, because there may be security updates |
| 19:14.17 | Wyzard | glick: No problems with my custom 2.6 kernels, but the thing about custom kernels is that everyone's is different :-) |
| 19:14.37 | pureone | beter to install from the netinstall cd then |
| 19:14.51 | Wyzard | pureone: Or businesscard, which is what I suggested |
| 19:14.56 | chamane | tarzeau will u be around later ? |
| 19:15.02 | tarzeau | chamane: yes |
| 19:15.05 | glick | Wyzard, i can mount it in 2.4 stock but 2.6 i get that it has an invalid filesystem |
| 19:15.14 | chamane | i might run in some language problems lol |
| 19:15.17 | chamane | thanks |
| 19:15.17 | jasoncohen | lol, i feel so stupid. i never knew you could just do smb://hostname/share in konqueror |
| 19:15.21 | jasoncohen | i thought you had to mount it |
| 19:15.23 | asg | glick: then you probably forgot to compile support for FAT |
| 19:15.35 | Wyzard | glick: You mentioned earlier that fdisk says it has an invalid partition table |
| 19:15.35 | glick | asg, no its in there i double checked |
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| 19:15.53 | asg | glick: modprobe vfat (do you get the same error?) |
| 19:15.54 | jasoncohen | integrated ssh support with fish and integrated samba support...gotta love konqueror and it's fast now too |
| 19:16.03 | dividion | hey can anyone help me? |
| 19:16.03 | asg | meh |
| 19:16.11 | asg | !tell dividion about ask |
| 19:16.13 | glick | asg, i compiled it in |
| 19:16.16 | McMcFly | glick: does it work when specifying the fs-type (-t option to mount)? |
| 19:16.31 | dividion | i am using fedora core now |
| 19:16.34 | asg | glick: then you are missing something. |
| 19:16.35 | glick | McMcFly, if i do i get that it has an invalid partition |
| 19:16.38 | dividion | i want to know more about debian though |
| 19:16.45 | dividion | how is it different |
| 19:16.49 | Wyzard | glick: You did say earlier that it has an invalid partition table, right? |
| 19:16.50 | asg | dividion: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 19:17.03 | dividion | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.05 | glick | Wyzard, yes |
| 19:17.09 | asg | dividion: without the leading space |
| 19:17.09 | glick | but in 2.4 it mounts |
| 19:17.18 | dividion | thanks |
| 19:17.26 | McMcFly | glick: what does (c)fdisk say? |
| 19:17.38 | Wyzard | glick: Run "dosfsck" on the partition and see if it reports any problems |
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| 19:18.07 | Wyzard | glick: If it's corrupted, it might mount under 2.4 just by coincidence, but not under 2.6 due to some internal change in the driver... all bets are off when mounting corrupted filesystems |
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| 19:18.51 | Xinux | anybody here? |
| 19:19.08 | asg | no, we are all sleeping |
| 19:19.15 | n0dez | that's true |
| 19:19.16 | Xinux | ok |
| 19:19.20 | n0dez | no doubt |
| 19:19.21 | Xinux | grrr |
| 19:19.24 | jasoncohen | my father had a problem with his usb key. it was apparently formatted wrong and it looked like there were 2 partitions each taking the whole drive |
| 19:19.27 | Xinux | this ATI graphic card doesn't fit |
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| 19:19.35 | jasoncohen | i deleted the partitions, created a fresh vfat one and it mounted fine |
| 19:19.42 | McMcFly | Xinux: Use a hammer |
| 19:19.47 | Xinux | no no |
| 19:19.51 | glick | Wyzard, i get logical sector size is zero |
| 19:19.58 | Xinux | the part where it receives info |
| 19:19.58 | Wyzard | glick: It's corrupted then |
| 19:20.01 | Xinux | is too big |
| 19:20.11 | glick | Wyzard, but it mounts fine in windows |
| 19:20.14 | Wyzard | glick: If it still mounts successfully under 2.4, mount it there, copy all the files off it, and repartition and reformat it |
| 19:20.14 | glick | and in 2.4 |
| 19:20.20 | chamane | tarzeau can i pm u please ? |
| 19:20.25 | jasoncohen | why is there such a misconception that debian is far more difficult than other distros when it's not? |
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| 19:20.42 | asg | jasoncohen: it doesn't have a spiffy gui installer so must be impossible to use. |
| 19:20.43 | glick | jasoncohen, cause it doesnt have a pretty graphical installer? |
| 19:21.03 | tarzeau | chamane: nah, just ask here |
| 19:21.03 | glick | Wyzard, you really think its corrupted? |
| 19:21.03 | Xinux | im |
| 19:21.04 | Xinux | gonna |
| 19:21.05 | Xinux | kill |
| 19:21.07 | Xinux | myself |
| 19:21.12 | asg | !kill Xinux |
| 19:21.17 | Wyzard | glick: Nonetheless, it's corrupted... thus, its behavior when mounted is dependent on the implementation of the driver and not on any sort of standard |
| 19:21.21 | jasoncohen | asg, neither does ubuntu and that's seen as a newb distro |
| 19:21.31 | jasoncohen | even though it's based off debian |
| 19:21.36 | chamane | ok tarzeau sorry |
| 19:21.50 | asg | jasoncohen: also, the first part of Windows is a curses-like interface. |
| 19:22.00 | gravity | Spiffy gui installer is on the way |
| 19:22.07 | jasoncohen | really? |
| 19:22.09 | gravity | Really |
| 19:22.09 | Petro | sweet |
| 19:22.15 | jasoncohen | i could not use the aptitude installer |
| 19:22.20 | McMcFly | asg: You curse when you see it... |
| 19:22.30 | asg | McMcFly: I do, that's for sure. |
| 19:22.32 | chamane | ok i finiished downloading the business card cd, ill burn that, |
| 19:22.36 | gravity | It'll probably still use aptitude to install packages at that point, I'm not sure |
| 19:22.41 | jasoncohen | so i just did apt-get install kde gnome x-window-system, waited a half an hour and installed the rest through synaptic in gnome |
| 19:22.45 | jasoncohen | easy as pie, heh |
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| 19:22.51 | Wyzard | glick: If fdisk says the partition table is corrupted, and the filesystem contained on the partition (assuming that talking about partitions even makes sense on a device with a corrupted partition table) has problems according to dosfsck, then yes, something is definitely not right with the data on your USB key |
| 19:22.53 | chamane | thats all i need to install the os |
| 19:22.58 | asg | chamane: yes |
| 19:23.05 | Wyzard | chamane: That and an Internet connection, yes |
| 19:23.06 | asg | chamane: the rest can be installed online |
| 19:23.17 | chamane | i got taht |
| 19:23.20 | chamane | that |
| 19:23.26 | chamane | ok thanks everyone |
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| 19:23.37 | chamane | nice people here :)) |
| 19:23.43 | chamane | later |
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| 19:24.29 | tarzeau | takatumi! |
| 19:24.55 | takatumi | tarzeau: how far did bub-n-bros get? |
| 19:25.22 | tarzeau | takatumi: there's 1.4, i've even package it (but it has problems when split apart (directories)) |
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| 19:25.29 | tarzeau | takatumi: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/bubnbros/ |
| 19:25.43 | takatumi | ouch, how do I turn off the beep again? |
| 19:26.02 | takatumi | the bell, visible bell how? |
| 19:26.17 | takatumi | !bell |
| 19:26.17 | dpkg | well, bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. |
| 19:26.47 | Wyzard | "bash beeps excessively when in emacs" ? |
| 19:26.59 | Wyzard | methinks it's emacs beeping, not bash |
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| 19:28.14 | jasoncohen | can someone explain to me the difference between apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade or point me to a website that has that info? |
| 19:28.29 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: "update" downloads the current list of available packages |
| 19:28.32 | takatumi | jasoncohen: man apt-get |
| 19:28.47 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" actually install new versions of packages if any are available |
| 19:28.50 | useruser | jasoncohen: dist-upgrade = upgrade + download new packages if needed, I believe |
| 19:29.00 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: (apt won't know that new versions are available if you haven't done "update") |
| 19:29.17 | jsn | I was going to install londonlaw, but I get the complaint that wxpython is not available. I checked freshmeat and it told me that the debian package is libwxgtk2.4-python. Perhaps it isn't set up to say it provides ... |
| 19:29.18 | jsn | wxpython? |
| 19:29.36 | SuperSox | /w/win 10 |
| 19:29.41 | jsn | Or maybe londonlaw should be changed, so it asks for the right thing, I'll check londonlaw bugs. |
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| 19:29.58 | takatumi | what's londonlaw? |
| 19:30.00 | jasoncohen | sorry- i meant the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:30.19 | jsn | takatumi: ever played the board game known as "scotland yard?" |
| 19:30.22 | takatumi | jasoncohen: wasn't the man page clear? |
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| 19:30.45 | takatumi | jsn: no, but it sounds intriguing. |
| 19:30.47 | jasoncohen | yes |
| 19:30.51 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: "upgrade" will only install a new version if all the new version's dependencies are met... if the new version depends on some additional package which you don't have, for example, or conflicts with some package which you do have, apt won't upgrade it |
| 19:30.52 | jsn | takatumi: a 5 cops, 1 hidden crook chase around london. the crook has to reveal himself every so many turns |
| 19:31.05 | takatumi | tarzeau: ^^ |
| 19:31.08 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: "dist-upgrade" will install and remove additional packages as necessary to allow the new version to be installed |
| 19:31.18 | jasoncohen | cool |
| 19:31.24 | jsn | A, the bug has been filed against londonlaw already. |
| 19:31.27 | jsn | Sorry to bother. |
| 19:31.37 | jsn | s/^A/Ah |
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| 19:31.41 | jasoncohen | that explains why you often can't do system upgrades with other distros |
| 19:31.55 | jasoncohen | when there are new packages that are needed or conflicts with old packages it just stops |
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| 19:32.23 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: You almost always want to use "dist-upgrade"... the only time I don't is when, on my sid system, the new version of some package has a dependency bug that causes apt to want to uninstall half my system |
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| 19:33.43 | takatumi | Wyzard: I am fresh off a 890MB ~20 hour sid upgrade, everything is still clicking. (as of now) |
| 19:33.59 | Wyzard | takatumi: cool |
| 19:34.10 | jasoncohen | so apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade is all you have to do to update to a new version? |
| 19:34.18 | takatumi | it's been a couple of months. |
| 19:34.21 | Wyzard | takatumi: I've been running sid for 5 years on this system :-) |
| 19:34.31 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: correct |
| 19:34.36 | jasoncohen | that's awesome |
| 19:34.54 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: And check the list of proposed changes to make sure it's not going to remove anything important |
| 19:35.00 | jasoncohen | ok |
| 19:35.05 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: If it's going to remove packages, I recommend using "--purge" as well |
| 19:35.53 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I find that when I'm removing a package, it's always either because it's obsolete and will never be installed again, or I don't like it and don't plan on installing it again, and in neither case do I want its old conffiles sitting around, so I always use "--purge" |
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| 19:36.14 | jasoncohen | i see |
| 19:36.40 | Cope | If I want grub with the --enable-diskless option compiled in, is there a debian recommended way of building from source, using deb-src? I've never done this before. |
| 19:37.00 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: In apt's list of proposed changes, under the list of packages to be removed, if packages have an asterisk ('*') next to their names, it means they'll be purged |
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| 19:37.16 | takatumi | Cope: /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 19:37.25 | Cope | takatumi: thanks |
| 19:37.39 | useruser | jasoncohen: i recommend apt-listbugs too |
| 19:37.40 | jasoncohen | hmm, amarok is so unstable' |
| 19:38.02 | jasoncohen | Wyzard and useruser : thanks for the info |
| 19:38.30 | absence | is it possible to change keyboard layout within x, without exiting and touching the config file in /etc/X11? |
| 19:39.07 | jasoncohen | anyone know why openoffice 1.1.4 is in experimental? |
| 19:39.16 | jasoncohen | and not testing or stable |
| 19:39.22 | jasoncohen | *unstable |
| 19:39.53 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: With sarge being in freeze, many maintainers are holding off on putting new versions into unstable because that interferes with getting bugfixes into testing |
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| 19:40.16 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: so they stage stuff in experimental instead |
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| 19:40.20 | racoontje | Hi |
| 19:40.23 | rodger | hey exuse me is fat16 diferent then vfat? |
| 19:40.23 | racoontje | I'm running FATAL: Module ov511_decomp not found. |
| 19:40.25 | racoontje | ehh oops |
| 19:40.30 | Kerr | chkrootkit returned eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient[2599]) ... Is this significant? |
| 19:40.35 | racoontje | I'm running 2.6.11-1-686 |
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| 19:40.40 | racoontje | I plugged in my creative webcam |
| 19:40.48 | racoontje | (it's a ov511 chip) |
| 19:40.53 | Wyzard | rodger: vfat supports both fat16 and fat32 |
| 19:40.56 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, so 1.1.4 should be put into unstable once sarge is released? |
| 19:41.00 | racoontje | yet it doesn't work, because it needs a decompressor (ov511_decomp) |
| 19:41.01 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Probably, yes |
| 19:41.10 | rodger | Wyzard, damn its me glick trying to mount my usb stick |
| 19:41.12 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: The same is true of X.Org, GNOME 2.10, and GCC 4 |
| 19:41.13 | racoontje | but that isn't a kernel module for some reason |
| 19:41.23 | jasoncohen | how long has sarge been frozen? |
| 19:41.27 | rodger | it works on my roomies pc runnin 2.4 kern :( |
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| 19:41.33 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: About 2 weeks |
| 19:41.34 | racoontje | is there a way I can get that module without installing a kernel manually? |
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| 19:42.02 | Wyzard | rodger: The difference between the "msdos" and "vfat" modules is that "vfat" supports long filenames and "msdos" does not |
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| 19:42.22 | Wyzard | rodger: Both of them depend on "fat", which is the basic support for FAT-based filesystems, and "fat" supports FAT12, FAT16, and FAT32 |
| 19:42.28 | rodger | damn wtf am i doing ong in my 2.6 kernel |
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| 19:42.40 | Wyzard | rodger: It's not your kernel, it's your corrupted filesystem |
| 19:42.51 | rodger | i have built in support for scsi disks and generic scsi, vfat, usb usb mass storage |
| 19:42.54 | takatumi | it's a shame we didn't manage to get those into sarge, X.org, Gnome 2.10, misses the oomph. |
| 19:42.55 | rodger | what else do i ned |
| 19:43.25 | racoontje | takatumi: then again, by the time the 2.10 packages are tested, 2.12 is prolly out already :P |
| 19:43.32 | Wyzard | rodger: You have a filesystem which is slightly corrupted in such a way that the 2.6 vfat driver doesn't like it, but the 2.4 driver and Windows are willing to "let it slide" |
| 19:43.33 | rodger | Wyzard, so what should i do |
| 19:43.45 | Wyzard | rodger: Use 2.4 or Windows to copy all the files off it, then repartition and reformat it |
| 19:43.52 | racoontje | I dislike the releases system acutally... I'd prefer a gentooish system (stable and testing distro, release install cd's periodically) |
| 19:44.07 | racoontje | install cd's would either be minimal (networked |
| 19:44.09 | rodger | Wyzard, format it? um so how do i do that in liux? |
| 19:44.13 | racoontje | ) or networkless |
| 19:44.15 | Wyzard | racoontje: The problem Gentoo has is that it doesn't really have the concept of a stable release |
| 19:44.21 | Wyzard | rodger: mkdosfs |
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| 19:44.36 | rodger | Wyzard, dont i want make vfat? |
| 19:44.37 | racoontje | Wyzard: so, that's an opportunity for debian to improve |
| 19:44.57 | Wyzard | racoontje: Well, depending on your usage, that may or may not be a problem... but Debian's release priorities are different from Gentoo's |
| 19:45.00 | racoontje | there's no reason that system wouldn't allow a stable release... you install from the stable snapshot of the cd's and then you don't touch it |
| 19:45.14 | jasoncohen | how does one get a list of packages so that a clone of the system can be made? |
| 19:45.18 | racoontje | Wyzard: I'm not talking about the priorities, I'm talking about the release system ;-) |
| 19:45.23 | pipeline | Wyzard, rodger : Have you tried fscking it? There is a fsck tool available for vfat. |
| 19:45.32 | takatumi | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg selections |
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| 19:45.39 | rodger | pipeline, no i did not |
| 19:45.50 | Wyzard | racoontje: The idea behind a Debian stable release is that tried-and-true is more important than latest-and-greatest... it's more important to have a package which is a little old but rock-solid stable, than a newer version which might still have bugs that haven't been found yet |
| 19:45.51 | rodger | pipeline, whats it caled? |
| 19:46.00 | TwistedEmotions | anyone here running Buzz package? |
| 19:46.03 | Wyzard | rodger: I thought you dosfsck'ed it and it told you "logical sector size is zero" ? |
| 19:46.15 | rodger | Wyzard, that is correct |
| 19:46.17 | rodger | it did |
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| 19:46.25 | racoontje | Wyzard: I still don't see how you couldn't get a stable release + the current gentoo releasing system to work together |
| 19:46.32 | Wyzard | racoontje: Other distributions have different ideas of what should be in a stable release... Ubuntu, for example, has X.Org and GNOME 2.10 already, even though it's based on Debian |
| 19:46.41 | jasoncohen | cool, thanks |
| 19:46.53 | Wyzard | rodger: Then why did you just tell pipeline that you didn't? :-) |
| 19:47.05 | rodger | Wyzard, hehe i forgot |
| 19:47.11 | racoontje | latest and greatest (unstable is the debian equivalent) is ~arch, otherwise (testing) is arch... debian could provide a stable release ofc, similarly to what they do now except less release issues (ie xorg being delayed etc) |
| 19:47.23 | racoontje | I agree stable >> versionism, but that's what unstable is for, isn't it? |
| 19:47.29 | Gnobody | when is Xorg going to be in sid? |
| 19:47.34 | rodger | Wyzard, so do mkfs.msdos /dev/sda |
| 19:47.35 | rodger | ? |
| 19:47.37 | Wyzard | racoontje: If you want something similar to Gentoo's "release" cycle, run Debian's unstable |
| 19:47.39 | racoontje | if you have a broken package that gets into experimental/unstable, what's the problem? |
| 19:47.41 | Gnobody | X11R7? |
| 19:47.42 | rodger | or sda1 |
| 19:47.46 | Wyzard | rodger: sda1 |
| 19:47.48 | streuner | Gnobody: when sarge is stable |
| 19:47.54 | takatumi | Gnobody: after sarge release. |
| 19:48.05 | Wyzard | rodger: You should put a fresh partition table on it first, since fdisk said the current one is corrupted |
| 19:48.18 | gravity | X.org is in the works |
| 19:48.33 | gravity | Hopefully it'll go in to experimental really soon, but new RC bugs in XFree have gotten in the way |
| 19:48.41 | luulis | racoontje: gentoo 'stable' is more like debian experimental |
| 19:48.43 | racoontje | Wyzard: ~arch 'is' debian unstable, arch 'is' more like testing... I agree, gentoo doesn't have a real stable release (however this is being worked on actually, an install that only updates w/ security patches :))... |
| 19:48.43 | gravity | Sarge release is still the priority |
| 19:48.44 | Wyzard | rodger: Run fdisk on it, say 'o' to create a new blank partition table, and create a partition |
| 19:48.59 | jasoncohen | why does anyone need xorg anyways? |
| 19:49.04 | Wyzard | racoontje: ~arch is more like Debian experimental, I think |
| 19:49.11 | gravity | racoontje: How is a sarge snapshot not providing what you're talking about? |
| 19:49.19 | Gnobody | How long till sarge is released? |
| 19:49.31 | gravity | racoontje: Anyone can take a sarge snapshot and do what they like with it |
| 19:49.32 | Wyzard | racoontje: unstable is for packages which the maintainer *believes* should work fine, but just haven't had time to prove themselves yet |
| 19:49.35 | streuner | Gnobody: /msg dpkg sarge frozen |
| 19:49.44 | streuner | Gnobody: read that |
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| 19:49.53 | Wyzard | racoontje: Gentoo's masked packages, and Debian's experimental packages, are for things that the maintainer *believes* are not ready for general use yet |
| 19:50.20 | _gentgeen_ | How can I set the default email client on an individual user base? (i.e. I want to use evolution, another user wants sylpheed, when we click on a mailto: link) |
| 19:50.49 | YaleR | depends on the wm I think |
| 19:51.12 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: New versions of XFree86 are unusable by Debian due to a licensing change, so X.Org is where all the new development is happening |
| 19:51.16 | incorrect | has anyone seen VERIFY nsCertType ERROR on openvpn before |
| 19:51.39 | rodger | doi want fat 16 or fat32 on it? |
| 19:51.43 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Many other distros are switching to X.Org as well... XFree86 will become obsolete, basically, so we don't want to keep using it |
| 19:51.54 | Wyzard | rodger: For a 64MB disk, use FAT16 |
| 19:52.04 | rodger | ok |
| 19:52.20 | Wyzard | rodger: FAT32 would work too, but that would take up slightly more space with bookkeping data, with no benefit |
| 19:52.21 | rodger | Wyzard, for curiosity why is hat |
| 19:52.34 | rodger | ok thanks |
| 19:52.53 | Debian\Pwns | invoke-rc.d: initscript courier-imap, action "start" failed. |
| 19:52.56 | Debian\Pwns | can anyone help? |
| 19:53.06 | Wyzard | rodger: FAT32 uses 32-bit cluster numbers rather than 16-bit cluster numbers... but if your disk has less than 65536 clusters anyway, there's no difference except that the FAT tables take twice as much space |
| 19:53.12 | gravity | Man... why is jwz's blog so consistently entertaining? |
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| 19:53.26 | rodger | damn when i try to write the new partitioin i get unable to write /dev/sda |
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| 19:53.31 | rodger | damn |
| 19:53.35 | lindi- | Debian\Pwns: what do you see with sh -x /etc/init.d/courier-imap start ? |
| 19:53.40 | Wyzard | rodger: Write-protected disk? Or not running as root? |
| 19:53.52 | rodger | it may be write protected |
| 19:54.04 | jasoncohen | incorrect, did you create your server cert with a nscerttype string? |
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| 19:54.14 | jasoncohen | you need 2.0 to do that |
| 19:54.22 | Wyzard | hmm... I just noticed, my Cruzer drive doesn't seem to have a write-protect switch |
| 19:54.24 | Debian\Pwns | i get a whole lot of ": command not found" and then "/usr/sbin/couriertcpd: Invalid option: -noidentlookup" |
| 19:54.26 | incorrect | jasoncohen, oh where do i define that |
| 19:54.28 | YaleR | whats the command to format a device with ext3? |
| 19:54.29 | Debian\Pwns | and sumthing before that :| |
| 19:54.32 | incorrect | is that in the openssl.cnf |
| 19:54.50 | streuner | YaleR: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
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| 19:55.06 | jasoncohen | incorrect, you set the common name to server |
| 19:55.11 | lindi- | Debian\Pwns: can you put full output online to pastebin.com? |
| 19:55.17 | jasoncohen | As in the previous step, most parameters can be defaulted. When the Common Name is queried, enter "server". Two other queries require positive responses, "Sign the certificate? [y/n]" and "1 out of 1 certificate requests certified, commit? [y/n]". |
| 19:55.23 | Debian\Pwns | yes |
| 19:55.39 | YaleR | streuner: that didn't work |
| 19:55.45 | YaleR | thats for upgrading from ext2 |
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| 19:55.49 | incorrect | jasoncohen, ok but is that set in the client.conf, |
| 19:55.49 | jasoncohen | then ns-cert-type server in the client config |
| 19:55.59 | jasoncohen | i beat you to it |
| 19:56.05 | jasoncohen | it's all in http://openvpn.net/howto.html |
| 19:56.09 | streuner | YaleR: did you read the factoid? |
| 19:56.12 | Sebulba02 | Hey, I'm trying to install using the debian installer and its hanging when trying to load "sd_mod", can anyone help me figure out why? |
| 19:56.14 | jasoncohen | just start in the beginning and read through |
| 19:56.14 | YaleR | yes |
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| 19:56.17 | incorrect | sorry i am just being thick i see why now |
| 19:56.24 | YaleR | it tell you how to upgrade from ext2 |
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| 19:56.57 | Wyzard | YaleR: mke2fs -j |
| 19:57.12 | streuner | YaleR: or man mkfs.ext3 |
| 19:57.36 | Debian\Pwns | http://pastebin.com/284286 > thats all i could get on .. it goes off the screen :| i cnt scroll up any more |
| 19:57.40 | incorrect | jasoncohen, i used build-key-server, |
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| 19:58.08 | jasoncohen | ./build-key-server server |
| 19:58.22 | jasoncohen | and then set common name to server |
| 19:58.30 | jasoncohen | the name of the cert is not the same as the common name |
| 19:58.38 | paranoidi | I'm having some problems with LVM ... I'm currently using 2.6.9 kernel and I need to upgrade, but with newer kernel LVM does not recognize any VG's. My LVMs are in LVM1 format and I think I need to update them to LVM2. Question is, how can I do it safely in debian ... |
| 19:58.53 | Wyzard | Sebulba02: sd_mod is SCSI disk support... do you have any unusual SCSI disks in your system, or a poorly-supported SCSI controller, or something like that? |
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| 19:59.16 | incorrect | oh so two need to be the same? |
| 19:59.17 | Wyzard | paranoidi: LVM2 can use LVM1 VG's |
| 19:59.32 | incorrect | got it! |
| 19:59.38 | vekpos | hello! how can i open a .chm-file (helpfile) under debian? |
| 19:59.48 | Sebulba02 | Wyzard: I have _no_ SCSI disks in my system |
| 19:59.58 | streuner | !chm |
| 19:59.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, chm is to extract Compressed HTML files (MS Windows HtmlHell Data) use the chmLib (and its example programs to be found at http://66.93.236.84/~jedwin/projects/chmlib/ or use xchm |
| 20:00.00 | Sebulba02 | or controllers |
| 20:00.02 | rodger | thanks Wyzard that seemed to work lemme try it on my 2.6 |
| 20:00.12 | paranoidi | Wyzard: hmm, I thought so.. but why doesn't it work with new kernel then :P .. did I miss something in compiling? I did copy .configuration from old one ... |
| 20:00.14 | vekpos | thanks a lot! |
| 20:00.31 | Anders | how do i change the default ALSA output card? i compiled the dummy card statically, and it became the default |
| 20:00.35 | rodger | Wyzard, so are you saying that every time i use windwos it will fuk up my usbs filesystem |
| 20:00.38 | Anders | and i dunno how to make xine use my real card |
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| 20:00.59 | Wyzard | paranoidi: Start with the basics... does LVM2's "pvscan" find your PVs? |
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| 20:01.14 | Wyzard | rodger: No, just that it got corrupted somehow and never got fixed |
| 20:01.28 | TwistedEmotions | I dont loadeded firefox 1.0.4... alien firefox103ect...gz then went dpkg -i firefoxect103.deb... it isntalled as far as I know but still firefox is 1.03 when I launch it.. |
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| 20:01.33 | coywolf | i'd like to know how debian people feel about this idea? http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/5/14/108/index.html |
| 20:01.34 | TwistedEmotions | *downloaded |
| 20:01.41 | Sauron21 | hi...I was just wondering what the standard "conf" folder is? |
| 20:01.41 | rodger | hmm |
| 20:01.51 | rodger | exit |
| 20:01.59 | paranoidi | Wyzard: all tools with new kernel report nothing, including vgscan and lvmscandisk |
| 20:02.03 | TwistedEmotions | I mean 104.gz and 104.deb |
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| 20:02.27 | glick | thanks Wyzard |
| 20:02.29 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: sid? |
| 20:02.31 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: Rather than using alien, use pinning to get the Firefox package from unstable... /msg apt pinning |
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| 20:03.05 | Wyzard | paranoidi: OK, then that's your problem... check /etc/lvm/lvm.conf to see what devices it's configure to scan |
| 20:03.22 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: thanks... |
| 20:03.29 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: sid? |
| 20:03.43 | Wyzard | streuner: If he was running sid, he'd have 1.0.4 already |
| 20:03.44 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: no it's a normal release I think.. check out www.firefox.com |
| 20:03.46 | glick | Wyzard, lol in my 2.6 kernel it still give me the error |
| 20:03.47 | glick | fsck it |
| 20:04.10 | Wyzard | glick: dosfsck again |
| 20:04.17 | jethro | dpkg chm =~ s#chmlib/#chmlib)# |
| 20:04.17 | dpkg | jethro: OK |
| 20:04.25 | streuner | Wyzard: he should have 1.0.4 soon too |
| 20:04.27 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: Is 1.0.4 available as a SID development? |
| 20:04.34 | paranoidi | Wyzard: I can't see how it's related to kernel version, (but checked, scans all devices except cdrom). And it's not related to missing devices since all of them detect fine with new kenel.. |
| 20:04.36 | TwistedEmotions | *package |
| 20:04.38 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: Yes, Firefox 1.0.4 is in sid |
| 20:04.41 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, why not just install through sid with apt-get? |
| 20:04.48 | gravity | TwistedEmotions: sid. Not SID |
| 20:04.55 | jasoncohen | apt-get install mozilla-firefox/unstable |
| 20:04.57 | glick | voyager:/mnt# dosfsck /dev/sda |
| 20:04.57 | glick | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN |
| 20:04.57 | glick | Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 6. |
| 20:05.05 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: jasoncohen: grrr |
| 20:05.10 | TwistedEmotions | everyone thanks |
| 20:05.14 | jasoncohen | you just have to setup apt.conf and add an unstable line to sources.list |
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| 20:05.20 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, it worked fine here |
| 20:05.26 | glick | Wyzard, voyager:/mnt# dosfsck /dev/sda1 |
| 20:05.26 | glick | dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN |
| 20:05.26 | glick | /dev/sda1: 28 files, 8556/32048 clusters |
| 20:05.51 | TwistedEmotions | E: Release 'unstable' for 'mozilla-firefox' was not found |
| 20:06.11 | TwistedEmotions | do I have to change sources file? |
| 20:06.16 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, yes |
| 20:06.19 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/mozilla-firefox |
| 20:06.57 | Wyzard | paranoidi: Uncomment the "file =" line in lvm.conf to enable logging, then pvscan again... see if the log contains anything helpful |
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| 20:07.08 | glick | Wyzard, strangely if i use file type msdos it works |
| 20:07.13 | glick | but the filenames are all shitty |
| 20:07.17 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, you have to add a line for unstable. I just copied my testing line and changed testing to unstable |
| 20:07.34 | TwistedEmotions | Can someone please post their sources.list file so I can add a few sources to my list? |
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| 20:07.45 | Wyzard | glick: hmm... that does sound like a kernel thing, then, but I've never had any problems with vfat in 2.6 |
| 20:07.49 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, then do this: echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 20:07.58 | paranoidi | Wyzard: I have tried that too, result was empty logfile :P |
| 20:08.08 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: Just look at your existing lines and "man sources.list" |
| 20:08.11 | jasoncohen | after that apt-get update & apt-get install mozilla-firefox/unstable |
| 20:08.12 | glick | Wyzard, i think the problem is that i used mkfs,msdos instead of mkfs.vfat |
| 20:08.23 | jasoncohen | or if you want to install multiple unstable packages apt-get -t unstable |
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| 20:09.20 | Wyzard | glick: "mkfs.msdos" and "mkfs.vfat" are both symlinks to "mkdosfs" |
| 20:09.29 | edison | Help Witch config can enable DMA with kernel 2.4.24 in the .config file ? |
| 20:09.47 | TwistedEmotions | thanks guys.. ;) updating now. |
| 20:09.53 | jasoncohen | np |
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| 20:09.59 | jasoncohen | you might want gaim 1.3 as well |
| 20:10.07 | jasoncohen | it mixes several security bugs |
| 20:10.39 | TwistedEmotions | but did I do something wrong? Its that what I was suppose to do... download a package... alien <package>... dpkg -i <package>? |
| 20:10.40 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Those security fixes will be backported to the sarge version by the security team, if they haven't already |
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| 20:10.55 | Guest506798256 | hi all, a quick question |
| 20:11.05 | Guest506798256 | i am able to ping in console session |
| 20:11.14 | Guest506798256 | but not able to ping in X windows environment |
| 20:11.22 | Guest506798256 | any X policy confine that? |
| 20:11.53 | dondelelcaro | Guest506798256: eh? that's pretty much impossible. |
| 20:11.56 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, how long does that usually take? |
| 20:12.02 | dondelelcaro | Guest506798256: also, /nick to something reasonable. |
| 20:12.12 | edison | Guest506798256, do you use xterm ? |
| 20:12.19 | incorrect | thanks for your help jasoncohen |
| 20:12.20 | Guest506798256 | that's what i'm experiencing. i do notice that xserver-common now default |
| 20:12.28 | jasoncohen | incorrect, np, did you get it working? |
| 20:12.28 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: Installing things with alien is meant to be a last resort when no Debian package is available... the package wasn't built with Debian in mind, and converting it to a .deb file doesn't change that |
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| 20:12.33 | Guest506798256 | limit only console user can start x server |
| 20:12.34 | dondelelcaro | Guest506798256: what happens when you xterm -e ping 127.0.0.1; |
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| 20:12.38 | streuner | !nickometer Guest506798256 |
| 20:12.39 | dpkg | 'Guest506798256' is 75.000% lame, streuner |
| 20:12.53 | Teemu_K | !nickometer teemu_K |
| 20:12.55 | Guest506798256 | does it matter what term i use? i use mrxvt |
| 20:13.05 | Guest506798256 | if i su to root, i can ping. |
| 20:13.06 | jasoncohen | incorrect, if you need any more help, just ask. I've read all the openvpn docs. I even sent them an updated spec file, heh |
| 20:13.22 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: ahhh.... so if a debian package isnt available then is it better to use alien or to build the package yourself? |
| 20:13.23 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Usually not too long, but since security support for sarge just began recently, the security team might be backlogged with having to backport fixes for all the known security bugs at the time of the freeze |
| 20:13.26 | dondelelcaro | Guest506798256: oh. You've made ping u-s for some reason |
| 20:13.27 | nn | What's a good way to do a pull mirror of debian source (to allow building a locally configured and optimized pool) |
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| 20:13.46 | dondelelcaro | Guest506798256: chmod 6755 /bin/ping; and install chkrootkit. |
| 20:13.51 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: If no Debian package is available, then use alien, but most software is already available in Debian |
| 20:13.51 | incorrect | jasoncohen, its really cool, i got a lot of things to do, sometimes you read something can you read something else if you know what i mean |
| 20:14.03 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, since 1.2.1 is just a bugfix & security upgrade, why backport? |
| 20:14.09 | nn | i'm wanting to throw the debian userland atop an entirely non-linux kernel and was trying to find a place to jump in and get star ted |
| 20:14.14 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: kk thanks ;) |
| 20:14.20 | Guest506798256 | does it matter? if i login console, i can use ping to outside network. |
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| 20:14.30 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:14.32 | dondelelcaro | Guest506798256: yes, it matters. |
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| 20:14.43 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: If the security fix was the only change, then they can just pull in the new version, but that's not always the case, and has to be investigated on a case-by-case basis |
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| 20:14.55 | dondelelcaro | Guest506798256: you're for some reason equating a command line with a root command line. |
| 20:14.55 | TwistedEmotions | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 20:14.59 | jasoncohen | incorrect, cool- i setup an openvpn tunnel with certs & the HMAC firewallall and then did iptables masquerading to re-route all web traffic through the vpn- quite cool |
| 20:15.08 | TwistedEmotions | also |
| 20:15.16 | TwistedEmotions | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 20:15.24 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: ok, it goes to sarge anyways |
| 20:15.35 | incorrect | jasoncohen, i just did the same, just finished off the vpn, plus i've just done all the heart beat ip take over to go with |
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| 20:15.48 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mozilla-firefox.html |
| 20:15.50 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: Should I just update everything to unstable? |
| 20:15.53 | nn | n o suggestions? |
| 20:15.57 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, pyca? |
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| 20:16.03 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: apt-cache show pyca |
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| 20:16.13 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: Installed it already.. |
| 20:16.13 | Guest506798256 | this is weard. cause i'm using a straight cable between my laptop and my desktop |
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| 20:16.15 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: How long do you use sarge now? |
| 20:16.31 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: Like 2 weeks.. |
| 20:16.32 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Using OpenVPN in server mode requires use of certificates rather than pre-shared keys, I believe |
| 20:16.49 | Guest506798256 | laptop is a intel 1G nic, so the driver doesn't pick the cable. crossover/straight/blahblah.. |
| 20:16.52 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: No, don't upgrade to unstable just for the sake of one package |
| 20:16.55 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, no- you can do either |
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| 20:16.57 | zirikili | hi all.. hi do I setup my usb device to use it with a palmtop ? |
| 20:17.04 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: you should get just more experience with debian |
| 20:17.05 | zirikili | (how do I) |
| 20:17.20 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: kk thats what I figured.. |
| 20:17.25 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: hmm... even if you can, though, I'm not sure if I'd want to... wouldn't that mean you have to distribute the same pre-shared key to every client? |
| 20:17.31 | Guest506798256 | while i can ping in console but not X, i thought there must be some policy in X |
| 20:17.38 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, both 1.6 and 2.0 support preshared key and certificate authenticate and 2.0 has easy-rsa to make a certificate authority, create the server cert and user certs in only a few lines |
| 20:17.38 | dondelelcaro | Guest506798256: eh? so far you've picked 3 separate problems and not answered any questions about them. First figure out exactly what you think the issue is, and explain it as carefully as possible. |
| 20:17.51 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: (When I say "server mode", I mean the new mode introduced in 2.0 where a single server daemon can handle multiple clients) |
| 20:18.01 | dondelelcaro | Guest506798256: secondly, change your nick to something reasonable using /nick somethingreasonable; |
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| 20:18.10 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, yes- i use certificates with a preshared key for the HMAC firewall (tls auth) |
| 20:18.12 | edison | Help, i want to use hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdd but i get an error so i can't enable DMA, i want to compile my kernel but i don't know witch option to choose to enable DMA, any ideas ? |
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| 20:18.34 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: sorry. i'm changing nickname to WuBai [dondelelcaro] |
| 20:18.39 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, yeah, i'm pretty sure you can use server mode with preshared keys. i haven't read anything that said otherwise |
| 20:18.58 | glick | Wyzard, do you use vanilla custom compiled or stock kernels? |
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| 20:19.18 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: the situation: ping able: root in console/X, normal user in console. [dondelelcaro] |
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| 20:19.24 | possie | how can i wget everything that is in a directory listing of a url ? (http) |
| 20:19.26 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Anyway, I'd want to use certificates so that I can grant and revoke them individually without having to change everyone's preshared key each time |
| 20:19.31 | streuner | edison: what's wrong with the debian official kernels? |
| 20:19.38 | Wyzard | glick: I use custom kernels compiled from Debian's kernel-source packages |
| 20:19.41 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: unpingable: normal user in x |
| 20:19.45 | dondelelcaro | WuBai: what is the output of ping 127.0.0.1; as a normal user in an xterm. |
| 20:19.48 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, yes- it's also more secure, and the certs can be encrypted on the client machine |
| 20:19.55 | dondelelcaro | WuBai: paste it into #flood or using the paster bot. |
| 20:19.56 | pipeline | edison: I assure you that you do NOT want to compile your own kernel. |
| 20:20.08 | TwistedEmotions | when apt-get sais that there is a kernel-package update available doesnt mean actuall kernel does it? |
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| 20:20.09 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, you don't need pyca for that though. As i said, easy-rsa does that all for you |
| 20:20.12 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: localhost is pingable. 127.0.0.1, right? |
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| 20:20.19 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, http://openvpn.net/howto.html |
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| 20:20.30 | dondelelcaro | WuBai: I didn't ask whether it was pingable, I asked for the output. |
| 20:20.33 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: The latter point doesn't gain you any security, though, because if the private part of the certificate is stored encrypted, its key must be stored too, or the OpenVPN daemon can't use it |
| 20:20.35 | jasoncohen | go to the Generate the master Certificate Authority (CA) certificate & key section |
| 20:20.36 | pipeline | TwistedEmotions: The kernel-package packages are used to -make- a kernel package. The kernel packages are called kernel-image-<version> |
| 20:20.44 | dings | Does anyone know of an tr2latex eqvivalent in apt? |
| 20:20.49 | edison | I have to compile my own kernel because i have to enable large hard disk |
| 20:20.56 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, that's only if you want to automate it |
| 20:20.59 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: I hadn't heard of easy-rsa though... I'll look into it, thanks |
| 20:21.00 | TwistedEmotions | pipeline: Ahhh ok. |
| 20:21.02 | dings | I would like to include manpages in my tex document |
| 20:21.03 | dondelelcaro | dings: what does tr2latex do? |
| 20:21.05 | joaopaulo | i have a hd that have 15g, but cause some problems(bad blocks too) have only 600mb, what can i do to fix it ? |
| 20:21.10 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: the output: PING 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1): 56 data bytes |
| 20:21.15 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, you can enter a password to user the key. it doesn't have to be stored |
| 20:21.16 | zirikili | any help on configuring usb device? |
| 20:21.19 | dings | dondelelcaro: troff/nroff -> tex |
| 20:21.22 | jasoncohen | that's what i have my girlfriend do to connect to my bo |
| 20:21.23 | jasoncohen | *box |
| 20:21.32 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: the output: 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.0ms |
| 20:21.33 | streuner | edison: what version of debian do you running actually? |
| 20:21.34 | jasoncohen | so, even if the key is stolen it's useless |
| 20:21.55 | jasoncohen | or you can do certificate authentication + pam authentication for passwords |
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| 20:21.59 | jasoncohen | that's in the howto as well |
| 20:22.18 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: 5 transmitted, 5 recevied. 0 lost. |
| 20:22.31 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: round-trip min/avg/max = 0/0/0 ms |
| 20:22.40 | jasoncohen | init-config then . ./vars ./clean-all ./build-ca ./build-key-server server ./build-key client1 |
| 20:22.47 | jasoncohen | that's the whole process really |
| 20:22.48 | dondelelcaro | WuBai: ok, so ping works just fine. Now, paste the output of ip route show into #flood (NOT HERE) or ifconfig; route -n; into #flood |
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| 20:23.17 | edison | streuner, testing/unstable |
| 20:23.27 | happybunny | what tells debian to associate which nic with which modules? |
| 20:23.29 | streuner | edison: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 20:23.43 | happybunny | i think my install is loading the wrong one |
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| 20:23.55 | jasoncohen | damn, the amarok developers really have to work on stablity |
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| 20:24.01 | happybunny | xircom_cb and xircom_tulip_cb are loaded, i only want xircom_cb |
| 20:24.02 | dings | Any idèas how to have a manpage in my tex document? Converting man->ps makes a _very_ long page, and I can't find a tr2latex tool. Would like to avoid bitmaps |
| 20:24.04 | jasoncohen | i'm using 1.2.3 and it crashes every 15 minutes, heh |
| 20:24.16 | Flimzy | Has anyone had any luck getting the nVidia drivers to work in 2.6.11.x? I can't even get the modules to compile. |
| 20:24.18 | [Granger] | hah |
| 20:24.19 | [Granger] | 1.2.3 |
| 20:24.19 | dondelelcaro | dings: there should be a troff backend to make LaTeX |
| 20:24.24 | edison | streuner, 2.3.2.ds1-11 |
| 20:24.27 | Flimzy | s/nVidia drivers/nVidia graphics drivers/ |
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| 20:24.31 | [Granger] | funny version number |
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| 20:24.44 | dondelelcaro | dings: http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/support/troff-to-latex/?action=/tex-archive/support/ |
| 20:24.47 | WuBai | test |
| 20:25.10 | Wyzard | Flimzy: I'm running 2.6.11 compiled from kernel-source-2.6.11, and didn't have any problems with the nvidia driver |
| 20:25.31 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Hrm. |
| 20:25.36 | Flimzy | Wyzard: What version of the nvidia driver are you using? |
| 20:25.49 | Wyzard | Flimzy: using nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.7174-3, the current version in sid |
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| 20:25.54 | edison | Help, i want to use hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdd but i get an error so i can't enable DMA, i want to compile my kernel but i don't know witch option to choose to enable DMA, any ideas ? I use kernel 2.4 |
| 20:25.57 | streuner | edison: You don't want to tell us, one of the kernel-images aren't able to handle your HD |
| 20:26.13 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Ahh. I'm using 0.6111. But I'm using testing. I'll d/l the sid version of the drivers and give them a shot. |
| 20:26.15 | dings | dondelelcaro: thanks, I'll try that. |
| 20:26.22 | dondelelcaro | dings: also, gnu troff can make a .dvi |
| 20:26.32 | streuner | edison: what kernel do you running actually? |
| 20:26.34 | edison | streuner, is not kernel-images it's my own kernel ! |
| 20:26.40 | edison | 2.4.24 |
| 20:26.55 | streuner | edison: so apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.x |
| 20:27.18 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: this is no under layer problem i guess. |
| 20:27.27 | dondelelcaro | WuBai: where is the default gateway? |
| 20:27.35 | edison | streuner, I don't want kernel image i want to know the config ! |
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| 20:27.54 | dn4 | how do you get apt-get to remove duplicated packages? |
| 20:28.00 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: i dont use a gw. 172.16.0.2 on the other end is my proxy |
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| 20:28.15 | dondelelcaro | WuBai: uh, you have to have a gateway if you want to reach anything but 172.16.0.2 |
| 20:28.15 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: eth1 is 172.16.0.3/16 |
| 20:28.41 | streuner | edison: grep -i dma your_config and look what you forgot |
| 20:28.43 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: 172.16.0.2 is my next hop. i need connectivity to this 0.2 first. |
| 20:29.02 | dondelelcaro | WuBai: ok, so ping 172.16.0.2; from the command line and paste the output into #flood; |
| 20:29.23 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: in fact i do have limited connectivity. |
| 20:29.24 | glick | because i can mount it as msdos filesystem it means that i have all the usb and scsi support that i need |
| 20:29.25 | glick | right? |
| 20:29.37 | dondelelcaro | glick: yes. |
| 20:29.43 | glick | so its just something with vfat |
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| 20:29.46 | dondelelcaro | (assuming we're talking about usbms) |
| 20:29.48 | glick | which i dont get |
| 20:29.51 | dondelelcaro | glick: it can be anything you want |
| 20:30.07 | glick | and according to /proc/filesystems i do support vfat |
| 20:30.11 | WuBai | : ping: sendto: network is unreachable |
| 20:30.11 | WuBai | : ping: wrote 172.168.0.2 64 chars, ret=-1the ping |
| 20:30.16 | WuBai | sorry. |
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| 20:30.23 | glick | so i dont have any idea why when i try to mount my usb stick as vfat i get errors |
| 20:30.31 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: the ping result is diff from console and xterm [dondelelcaro] |
| 20:30.31 | glick | could it be a kernel bug or something? |
| 20:30.32 | dondelelcaro | WuBai: that's 172.168.0.2, not 172.16.0.2 |
| 20:30.42 | dondelelcaro | WuBai: there's a HUGE difference |
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| 20:30.48 | Flimzy | glick: Do you know for sure that it's vfat? |
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| 20:31.02 | glick | voyager:/mnt# mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 hd/ |
| 20:31.03 | glick | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 20:31.03 | glick | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.07 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: sorry i fxxx up [dondelelcaro] |
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| 20:31.25 | glick | Flimzy, i fdisked to vfat and then did mkfs.msdos on it |
| 20:31.26 | Flimzy | glick: So do you know for sure that sda1 is formatted as vfat? |
| 20:31.31 | WuBai | geeezzzzzzzzzz! |
| 20:31.45 | Flimzy | glick: hrm |
| 20:32.03 | WuBai | all my bad! |
| 20:32.07 | Flimzy | glick: Did you do the fun dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 count=1 bs=512 thingie that fdisk says you'll need to do? |
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| 20:32.28 | Flimzy | glick: (I'm not at all certian that that's _necissary_... but it's probably a good idea, at least if you ever intend to use the drive in a M$ machine) |
| 20:32.31 | glick | Flimzy, fdisk didnt say i needed to do that on mine |
| 20:32.37 | WuBai | dondelelcaro: thank u. guess i need a rest...... |
| 20:33.08 | glick | fdisk -l /dev/sda returns with the correct info about the disk |
| 20:33.10 | jethro | !beer me |
| 20:33.11 | Flimzy | glick: It should say "Warning: If you're creating any DOS filesystems, refer to the man page for more information" or something to that effect |
| 20:33.37 | TonyB2005 | !beer me |
| 20:33.45 | Flimzy | glick: And the man page says that M$ fdisk has a bug blah blah blah, and to compensate, do a dd dealie, and then M$ OSes will be happy. otherwise, M$ OSes may misread the drive, and do stupid stuff with it. |
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| 20:33.59 | Flimzy | glick: But again, I'm not at all certian that's related to _your_ issue. |
| 20:34.17 | Flimzy | glick: And it almost certianly is not related to your issue if you haven't mounted the drive in a M$ OS after fdisking it in Linux |
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| 20:36.10 | Flimzy | glick: for specifics, man fdisk, search for "DOS 6.x WARNING". That warning makes it unclear if it effects all MS OSes after DOS 6.x, or just DOS 6.x. But in any case, the details are there. |
| 20:37.47 | jasoncohen | can someone explain how to use aptitude? When i press - packages are deselected but when i do + they're not selected. I therefore can't install anything with it |
| 20:37.56 | jasoncohen | it would be nice to know how to use for a future install |
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| 20:38.31 | Flimzy | jasoncohen: man aptitude would be a good start |
| 20:38.52 | EvanCarroll | jasoncohen: if your using X it is best to use synaptic, aptitude is a very niche purpose program |
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| 20:39.29 | EvanCarroll | jasoncohen: you have not like X and not like using the command line tools (apt-get apt-cache) |
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| 20:39.33 | quitte | when running dselect I get Error opening terminal:linux. anz idea what i can do about it? |
| 20:39.34 | Flimzy | IMHO, aptitude is pure evil. |
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| 20:39.47 | brlancer | EvanCarroll: how does synaptic (or another X apt utility) handle restartin X during an upgrade? |
| 20:39.49 | gravity | aptitude isn't a nice program. It's amazing |
| 20:39.50 | Flimzy | But I realize I am in the minority. |
| 20:39.53 | gravity | Fucking ubuntu refugees |
| 20:40.03 | gravity | s/nice/niche/ |
| 20:40.07 | Flimzy | brlancer: I've never had to restart X during an upgrade. |
| 20:40.09 | pipeline | Refugees are a fact of life. |
| 20:40.09 | jasoncohen | EvanCarr3ll, i'm only asking because i couldn't figure out how to do it in the installer |
| 20:40.12 | Flimzy | brlancer: Why would you have to? |
| 20:40.19 | dings | dondelelcaro: That program would't compile, and gives a pile of warnings :) I'll have to figure out something else |
| 20:40.19 | pipeline | brlancer: Why would an upgrade restart X? o_) |
| 20:40.21 | gravity | Aptitude is really fantastic. Plus work is being done there to improve dependency resolutions |
| 20:40.26 | jasoncohen | EvanCarr3ll, i did an apt-get install kde gnome x-window-system and then finished the install from synaptic |
| 20:41.00 | EvanCarroll | brlancer: dpkg handels that, they are just all interfaces to the same thing |
| 20:41.13 | brlancer | I've had multiple instances using Sarge where it wanted to restart xdm--I think it was usually because of a glibc change |
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| 20:41.24 | dondelelcaro | dings: figures |
| 20:41.36 | EvanCarroll | brlancer: right... and, ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 20:42.01 | brlancer | EvanCarroll: huh? no |
| 20:42.19 | brlancer | apt-get restarted X on it's own after prompting me |
| 20:42.45 | EvanCarroll | apt-get can't do that to my knowledge. |
| 20:42.45 | brlancer | but, if I had been running apt-get out of an xterm, it would have killed apt-get |
| 20:43.06 | EvanCarroll | brlancer: no it woulden't have it would have added the update to a queue and taken care of it at a later time |
| 20:43.09 | dn4 | oh damn |
| 20:43.10 | dn4 | hehehe |
| 20:43.19 | dn4 | all my commands are gone |
| 20:43.22 | dn4 | nasty |
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| 20:43.54 | brlancer | EvanCarroll: yeah, the next time I ran apt-get |
| 20:44.06 | nn | How does one make debian use german as default language? |
| 20:44.23 | EvanCarroll | nn: install the locals and the dpkg-reconifgure them |
| 20:44.27 | TonyB2005 | holy crap my internet just doubled in speed |
| 20:44.35 | nn | hmm |
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| 20:44.37 | guestish | hi |
| 20:44.45 | EvanCarroll | TonyB2005: fascinating we will make this a national holliday |
| 20:44.45 | guestish | can an SMP system use 2 processors of different speeds? |
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| 20:44.51 | dondelelcaro | guestish: depends on the motherboard |
| 20:44.58 | guestish | dondelelcaro: how can i check? |
| 20:45.00 | linuxfreck | guestish: most probably not |
| 20:45.03 | EvanCarroll | guestish: should be able to, but the load will be sync |
| 20:45.07 | nn | EvanCarroll: i learn by immersion :P |
| 20:45.11 | linuxfreck | but check your mainboard manual |
| 20:45.12 | dondelelcaro | guestish: manufacturer's website, typically |
| 20:45.14 | nn | how i learned english and finnish |
| 20:45.17 | guestish | hrm, 3 different answers... |
| 20:45.28 | TonyB2005 | EvanCarrol: jeez, i was upset because it dropped to like dial-up, then regular, then fast |
| 20:45.34 | EvanCarroll | guestish: ie if you ahve a dual p3 mobo, 555mhz, and 500mhz and use smp both will receive 50% load |
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| 20:45.55 | nn | EvanCarroll: happen to know locale pkg name for german? |
| 20:45.58 | nn | de right? |
| 20:46.05 | streuner | yes |
| 20:46.11 | guestish | its opteron |
| 20:46.13 | linuxfreck | EvanCarr3ll: I'm pretty sure that almost every smp system doesn't support cpus with different speeds |
| 20:46.18 | EvanCarroll | /g.{1}_.{2}/ ? |
| 20:46.44 | guestish | K8N-DL |
| 20:46.50 | Flimzy | guestish: You _might_ be able to run two processors rated at different speeds (i.e. 1.8Ghz and 2Ghz) at the same (lower) speed (i.e. 1.8Ghz x 2). But that's unlikely, as most SMP systems require identical CPUs in every respect (same cache size, same speed, same everything) |
| 20:46.52 | pipeline | Athlon MP will support asymmetric speeds. |
| 20:46.54 | streuner | zerberus:/boot# cat /etc/environment |
| 20:46.54 | streuner | LANG=de_DE |
| 20:46.55 | pipeline | Opteron will NOT |
| 20:46.58 | TonyB2005 | can i install java for mozilla w/ apt-get? |
| 20:47.15 | Flimzy | guestish: I would not be surprised if more and more newer motherboards (particularly the higher end ones) are becoming more forgiving with such things, tho. |
| 20:47.18 | pipeline | Flimzy, guestish : Opteron, no. Intel anything, no. Athlon, yes (maybe) |
| 20:47.35 | guestish | pipeline: athlon MP was the only dual processor athlon and it wasnt all that good... |
| 20:47.42 | EvanCarroll | TonyB2005: if you add blackdown sources |
| 20:47.54 | TonyB2005 | blackdown? |
| 20:47.55 | EvanCarroll | !tell TonyB2005 about marillat |
| 20:47.58 | pipeline | guestish : Almost any socket-A chip will work in MP. |
| 20:48.12 | EvanCarroll | !tell TonyB2005 about blackdown |
| 20:48.13 | Flimzy | guestish: what's wrong with MP? |
| 20:48.28 | pipeline | guestish: I toyed with the idea of building a dual duron system, but ultimately bought better chips :P |
| 20:48.35 | guestish | pipeline: heh |
| 20:48.46 | guestish | ah well, doesnt support it |
| 20:48.48 | pipeline | Can't blame me; at the time, durons were $30 |
| 20:48.58 | TonyB2005 | ciik |
| 20:49.01 | TonyB2005 | cool* |
| 20:49.04 | pipeline | Which is about the cheapest MP system anyone has ever built :P |
| 20:49.10 | guestish | i just have 1 processor on a dual processor board and i dont know if its adversely affecting the computer's speed |
| 20:49.14 | nn | streuner: and for apps? |
| 20:49.22 | nn | ie the actual locale |
| 20:49.23 | pipeline | guestish: No. |
| 20:49.28 | Flimzy | I have a dual P233 sitting in my living room |
| 20:49.31 | guestish | pipeline: no what? |
| 20:49.37 | Flimzy | not sure if it works or not |
| 20:49.40 | streuner | nn: apt-get install localeconf and choose *.de |
| 20:49.48 | Flimzy | guestish: no |
| 20:49.58 | pipeline | guestish: No, it's not adversely affecting the speed. In some cases, it could actually aid performance (e.g. Xeon, low-budget Opteron boards.) |
| 20:49.58 | guestish | Flimzy: no what? |
| 20:50.05 | Flimzy | guestish: If anything, it's improved by the other improvements likely to be on that board to support 2 CPUs. |
| 20:50.14 | Flimzy | guestish: (i.e. possibly larger L2 cache, etc) |
| 20:50.15 | guestish | pipeline, Flimzy: really? how? |
| 20:50.18 | glick | check out this link |
| 20:50.19 | glick | http://kerneltrap.org/node/3650 |
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| 20:50.21 | glick | kernel bug? |
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| 20:50.26 | guestish | thats interesting |
| 20:50.26 | Flimzy | guestish: No, having only 1 CPU in a 2-CPU board doesn't make things worse) |
| 20:50.33 | guestish | always good to hear |
| 20:50.37 | pipeline | guestish: Low-budget opteron boards only have one set of memory, which really hobbles performance if you have two processors. |
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| 20:50.53 | Flimzy | guestish: Altho now days, there are enough "consumer-grade" SMP mobos, that there may not be any "extras" in place on them |
| 20:50.54 | guestish | pipeline: yeah, its low-budget for an opteron system |
| 20:51.07 | tarzeau | wait annakin isn't luke skywalker, right? |
| 20:51.08 | pipeline | guestish: Accessing non-local memory on an opteron approximately doubles latency, putting it on par with a Xeon. And I don't need to tell you how bad Xeon MP is. |
| 20:51.08 | guestish | Flimzy: well its asus, so its definitely consumer grade |
| 20:51.22 | Flimzy | guestish: But there was a time when SMP meant top-of-the-line... so even an old SMP board had extras that would benefit a single CPU system |
| 20:51.23 | guestish | pipeline: isnt NUMA supposedly supposed to fix that? |
| 20:51.25 | nn | streuner: locale conf great |
| 20:51.27 | nn | tx |
| 20:51.31 | pipeline | guestish: Does it have one set of DIMM slots, or two? If only one, I wouldn't even bother putting in a second processor. |
| 20:51.40 | pipeline | guestish: If it only has one set of DIMM slots, you basically wasted your money. |
| 20:51.40 | guestish | pipeline: 3 sets |
| 20:51.47 | guestish | pipeline: 2 for 1 processor, 1 for the other |
| 20:51.53 | Flimzy | guestish: for example, the Tyan Tomcat IV I have in the living room with 2 P233's was a top-of-the-line board, even for a single CPU, when it was new. |
| 20:52.03 | streuner | nn: in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4: Option "XkbLayout" "de" |
| 20:52.15 | pipeline | Flimzy, guestish : A tyan tomcat was a relatively cheap board, even when it was new. |
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| 20:52.30 | Flimzy | pipeline: Not when I bought it. |
| 20:52.35 | nn | streuner: i dont have a german kbd ;) |
| 20:52.37 | guestish | pipeline: 6 slots, 3 sets |
| 20:52.38 | nn | yet |
| 20:52.39 | pipeline | Flimzy: Tomcat is the name Tyan uses for their cheaper boards. |
| 20:52.47 | Flimzy | pipeline: It was no server board, granted. |
| 20:52.50 | pipeline | guestish: That's a weird layout, but as long as it has two sets, that's fine. |
| 20:52.57 | guestish | pipeline: yeah, its strange looking |
| 20:53.04 | guestish | pipeline: its cause its so small for a SMP mobo |
| 20:53.08 | nn | for now i want to at least have messages german |
| 20:53.16 | Flimzy | pipeline: My boss was drooling over that board 3 years after it was new. |
| 20:53.21 | guestish | pipeline: 12"x10.5" |
| 20:53.24 | pipeline | guestish: Some dual-opteron boards hook all of the memory into one CPU, forcing you to always access non-local memory on the second CPU, which effectively turns it into a bus layout. |
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| 20:53.32 | guestish | pipeline: no, doesnt do that... |
| 20:53.43 | Flimzy | Actually, I guess I didn't pay for the dual Tomcat board I have. I got it for free. I did pay nicely for a 1-CPU Tomcat IV, tho. |
| 20:53.46 | fortran01 | i plugged my scanner into a usb slot. how can I know which device file it is connected? |
| 20:53.51 | pipeline | Flimzy: Even cheap Tyan boards are solid products. Tyan is a company that simply does not fuck around. |
| 20:53.58 | tarzeau | fortran01: the whole scanner? |
| 20:54.04 | streuner | fortran01: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 20:54.16 | guestish | i probably shuolda gotten a tyan |
| 20:54.17 | Flimzy | fortran01: Have you read the SANE docs? |
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| 20:54.25 | guestish | shoulda* |
| 20:54.34 | fortran01 | Flimzy: where can I fine the SANE docs? |
| 20:54.50 | Flimzy | fortran01: Google |
| 20:55.25 | Flimzy | fortran01: SANE is the software you'll be using to get your scanner working (unless there's some other way now days????), so it would be logical to read the docs for SANE |
| 20:55.34 | guestish | eh |
| 20:55.39 | guestish | i like my system |
| 20:56.01 | Flimzy | guestish: what board do you have now? |
| 20:56.17 | guestish | Flimzy: http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=K8N-DL&langs=09# |
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| 20:56.41 | lexluther | lo peeps |
| 20:56.47 | lexluther | anyone here using gotmail ? |
| 20:56.50 | Flimzy | I have an MSI board w/ nVidia2 chipset. I think I'll begin looking for a new system soon, tho, to be a MythTV backend and fileserver. |
| 20:56.53 | glick | could it be a bug or something |
| 20:57.03 | guestish | Flimzy: nice |
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| 20:57.43 | rj- | wow |
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| 20:59.29 | guestish | Flimzy: this one is mainly for gaming, which is kinda weird for an opteron comp |
| 21:00.21 | Flimzy | guestish: hehe |
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| 21:00.34 | Manitu | I hate Debian |
| 21:00.41 | guestish | the CPU tests failed miserably on 3dmark05 |
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| 21:00.44 | gravity | Manitu: I'm sure it hates you back |
| 21:00.46 | sether | /kick Manitu |
| 21:00.46 | guestish | Manitu: and debian hates you |
| 21:00.50 | streuner | Manitu: we aren't care |
| 21:01.06 | guestish | Flimzy: opteron 252s are not gaming procs, heh |
| 21:01.15 | streuner | Manitu: go away |
| 21:01.22 | Flimzy | I'm pretty happy with my system... I do some light gaming (HL2 is the most I've done), a significant amount of multimedia (DVD ripping/transcoding, etc)... and everything else I do could pretty easily be handled by a P133 |
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| 21:01.28 | Sebulba02 | okay, I created a bunch of lvm volumes for etc, var, usr, etc.. but I can't assign them labels with the debian installer? |
| 21:01.31 | Manitu | WHy are you wasting your time for that shit ? |
| 21:01.38 | guestish | Flimzy: HL2 isnt all that light |
| 21:01.39 | Flimzy | I have an XP2400+, 1gb RAM, 120gb HD |
| 21:01.44 | guestish | not bad |
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| 21:01.52 | streuner | Manitu: Hau ab |
| 21:01.53 | Flimzy | And a cheap GeForce |
| 21:01.57 | gravity | Manitu: Please troll elsewhere, unless you have a specific question |
| 21:01.58 | guestish | Flimzy: you know anything about overclocking ram? |
| 21:02.01 | Flimzy | MX 440 |
| 21:02.19 | Manitu | Just my opinion.. whats the prob ??? |
| 21:02.25 | Flimzy | My current fileserver, and MythTV testbed is a K6-3/450, 256mb, and 6gb for OS, and 200gb filesharing |
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| 21:02.30 | gravity | Manitu: Troll somewhere else. |
| 21:02.38 | Flimzy | But I'm sure 450Mhz won't cut it for a good MythTV backend... so I'll be looking for something else :) |
| 21:02.39 | guestish | Flimzy: little bit slower, heh |
| 21:02.46 | Flimzy | guestish: I know what it is :) |
| 21:02.54 | Manitu | just ignore me .. thats all |
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| 21:03.01 | Manitu | but you know it |
| 21:03.07 | Manitu | so yaou are not ignoring me |
| 21:03.09 | pipeline | Flimzy: A 450 might not be so bad. It ain't going to do real-time MPEG2, no. |
| 21:03.34 | glick | haha i think i figured out the problem |
| 21:03.39 | glick | woulda never figured it out |
| 21:03.39 | Flimzy | pipeline: ATM, the only tuner card I have has no hardware MPEG support. |
| 21:04.05 | Flimzy | pipeline: I'll probably use the 450 as a MythTV frontend, then get a 1-2Ghz system on the used market for the backend, then eventually get a hardare MPEG2 receiver card. |
| 21:04.10 | Manitu | now you are ignoring me :) |
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| 21:04.21 | Manitu | but Debian still is shit |
| 21:04.45 | streuner | !ops Manitu is a troll |
| 21:04.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Manitu is a troll |
| 21:04.52 | guestish | !ops please set +q on Manitu |
| 21:04.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please set +q on Manitu |
| 21:04.54 | Flimzy | Manitu: yes, but it's _our_ shit. So we like it. |
| 21:04.57 | rj- | <FreeSTyLe> http://www.megasexx.da.ru Free Porno Videos |
| 21:05.07 | Manitu | how can you like that shit ? |
| 21:05.09 | guestish | and on rj- if you dont mind... |
| 21:05.27 | alindeman | rj-: Thanks, got it |
| 21:05.32 | rj- | thanks :) |
| 21:05.44 | idnar | guestish: huh? |
| 21:05.59 | guestish | idnar: huh what? |
| 21:06.04 | Manitu | ah.. you dont want to speak with me ! |
| 21:06.17 | idnar | guestish: I'm wondering what rj- did wrong |
| 21:06.26 | guestish | idnar: free porno video post? |
| 21:06.36 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 21:06.37 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@84-245-187-100.wue.bpool.celox.de] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:06.37 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:06.42 | guestish | thanks |
| 21:06.46 | joel_ | :( |
| 21:06.49 | dondelelcaro | Manitu: if you actually want to discuss Debian without impinging everything, let me know. |
| 21:06.49 | rj- | guestish: i was pasting it to let the freenode staff no that it was a on-join spam from that user. |
| 21:06.51 | Flimzy | Whoa... a 13mb .diff.gz against an 11mb orig.tar.gz. That strikes me as quite unusual. |
| 21:06.55 | guestish | rj-: oohh, nvm then |
| 21:06.56 | rj- | no/know |
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| 21:07.03 | dondelelcaro | rj-: which user? |
| 21:07.04 | guestish | missed that part |
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| 21:07.10 | ciaron | any reason why upgrading my kernel would slow down my samba shares? |
| 21:07.12 | idnar | dondelelcaro: FreeSTyLe, alindeman already took care of it |
| 21:07.19 | dondelelcaro | idnar: ah, good. |
| 21:07.45 | obsidian | ciaron; many reasons potentially, from filesystem tuning, dma, drivers, network configuration |
| 21:07.47 | idnar | rj-: I would recommend you avoid reproducing the exact text in the public channel next time, it often causes confusion (as well as needlessly propagating the annoying advertising to everyone) :P |
| 21:07.55 | Flimzy | ciaron: Many possible explanations. 1) it didn't. 2) B/c you forgot some essential drivers (such as support for your specific IDE chipset) |
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| 21:08.08 | rj- | idnar: sure -- sorry about that. |
| 21:08.10 | obsidian | question: how do I change my default PATH when using gdm? No, .profile /etc/profile does not work |
| 21:08.43 | Flimzy | obsidian: That's really not a gdm issue. |
| 21:08.47 | *** part/#debian Manitu (~MarkX@84-245-187-100.wue.bpool.celox.de) |
| 21:08.48 | Flimzy | obsidian: it's a shell issue. |
| 21:08.55 | ciaron | Flimzy: it was just the debian kernel-package, didn't compile anything myself |
| 21:09.06 | obsidian | Flimzy; I'm not so sure; when you log in via gdm you never get a bash login shell. /etc/profile, ~/.profile NEVER EXECUTE. |
| 21:09.07 | muntz | If I have a stock debian 2.6 kernel, what is the recommended method for removing kernel modules across reboots and upgrades? |
| 21:09.22 | obsidian | Flimzy; all terminals start interactive non-login shells. |
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| 21:09.29 | Flimzy | obsidian: /etc/profile is run __by the shell__ |
| 21:09.36 | Flimzy | obsidian: as is .profile |
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| 21:09.46 | obsidian | Flimzy; only if the shell is in LOGIN mode, which it never is with gdm |
| 21:09.46 | Flimzy | obsidian: then start running login shells instead. |
| 21:10.01 | obsidian | flimzy; that is incorrect usage, as wrong as running .profile from .bashrc |
| 21:10.17 | Flimzy | obsidian: GDM has no control over your shell. |
| 21:10.30 | Flimzy | obsidian: But you can tell Gnome, or whatever WM you're using, to run a login shell if you wish. |
| 21:10.42 | obsidian | Flimzy; it is not a shell, nor does it ever run one, correct |
| 21:10.47 | obsidian | Flimzy; there is a right way to do it; it involves whatever login script gdm uses but I can't find where it's documented. |
| 21:10.58 | guestish | friggin apic isnt working right for me... |
| 21:11.02 | guestish | i have to disable apic and acpi |
| 21:11.21 | Flimzy | obsidian: What login script gdm uses is completely dependant on the user. You probably need to find out what login script the window manager uses. |
| 21:11.22 | guestish | it freezes at the HD loading part |
| 21:11.29 | guestish | also has a bunch of IRQ issues |
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| 21:11.50 | obsidian | Flimzy: that's right, that's what I'm asking. I've been looking for half an hour, and I can't find it in the docs yet |
| 21:12.05 | guestish | i think its a PnP issue, but i dont know how to disable it in the bios, i dont htink there is an option |
| 21:12.10 | obsidian | meanwhile I know at least a few poeople would have gotten fed up enough with not being able to change their default path and already figured it out... |
| 21:12.12 | obsidian | anyone? |
| 21:12.13 | Flimzy | obsidian: Well if you're looking in the GDM docs, that's why you can't find it. |
| 21:12.27 | Flimzy | obsidian: Try looking in the docs for your window manager. |
| 21:12.45 | obsidian | Flimzy; what's gnome's default window manager in sid again? sawfish? |
| 21:12.56 | pipeline | obsidian: metacity |
| 21:13.00 | Flimzy | obsidian: Or possibly .xsession if you want it to be effective regardless of your WM. |
| 21:13.02 | obsidian | metacity |
| 21:13.03 | obsidian | ok |
| 21:13.09 | Flimzy | obsidian: I have no idea. I rarely use the defaults. |
| 21:13.14 | pipeline | obsidian: metacity comes with gnome. It's the default window manager in -all- gnome 2.0 setups. |
| 21:13.20 | Flimzy | NTM, I rarely use Gnome |
| 21:13.21 | obsidian | funny, I already tried modifying my .xsession and it had no effect. |
| 21:13.26 | Flimzy | since it seems to hate dual-head displays |
| 21:13.44 | obsidian | I like KDE better in principle, but gnome initializes from login in under 1 second, so it wins hands down :D |
| 21:13.50 | guestish | lol...my integrated ethernet card is using a PCIX style slot... |
| 21:13.56 | Flimzy | obsidian: Did use use 'export'? |
| 21:14.03 | obsidian | yes! :D |
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| 21:14.11 | obsidian | good question |
| 21:14.13 | Flimzy | I generally hate DEs in principle. |
| 21:14.21 | chamane | heh |
| 21:14.33 | obsidian | I hear you but there's no getting around them these days |
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| 21:14.34 | guestish | any ideas about the APIC thing? |
| 21:14.37 | chamane | i did it , thanks wizard |
| 21:14.40 | Flimzy | guestish: You call that 'integrated'? |
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| 21:14.52 | obsidian | brb |
| 21:14.58 | Pappa | how was that -allow-another-user-to-use-my-x-display thingie? |
| 21:14.59 | chamane | i mean Wyzard |
| 21:15.05 | guestish | Flimzy: its itegrated, but its using PCIX |
| 21:15.10 | Flimzy | obsidian: And while we're on the topic of 'export', did you put 'export' in .profile as well? |
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| 21:15.15 | guestish | Flimzy: its not a slot per se |
| 21:15.16 | chamane | tarzeau thanks |
| 21:15.27 | Flimzy | guestish: PCIX interface, not slot? |
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| 21:15.35 | guestish | Flimzy: yeah, seems like a waste |
| 21:15.55 | guestish | Flimzy: you know? |
| 21:16.04 | LuPuZ | How do i make Openssl be recognized as an command? I have compiled and installed it... but dunno how to make it so it recognize "openssl" as command |
| 21:16.14 | Flimzy | guestish: I dunno. I don't know what the advantages of PCIX are. |
| 21:16.19 | Flimzy | guestish: It's not a gigabit NIC is it? |
| 21:16.28 | jcb | how do i change the limit of how many files a process can have open at once at runtime? i remember there is a command, but not the name of it |
| 21:16.34 | guestish | FlimFlamMan: it runs at 100 mhz instead of 33 mhz, and yes, its gigabit |
| 21:16.37 | Flimzy | LuPuZ: Openssl isn't a command. It's a library. |
| 21:16.41 | guestish | oops |
| 21:16.44 | guestish | thats for Flimzy |
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| 21:16.59 | Flimzy | guestish: I would imagine that it makes sense to run gigabit over a faster bus :) |
| 21:17.06 | nn | well back to coding on ROSES i go |
| 21:17.22 | nn | go OS X running on ia32, veryyyyyyy slowly atop debian |
| 21:17.32 | LuPuZ | yeah but i need to make an certificate (self signed) and they say openssl as command in there HOWTO |
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| 21:18.18 | Flimzy | guestish: According to my very rough calculations, PCI would have a maximum throughput of barely over 1gigabit. |
| 21:18.24 | nn | this is kinda cool.. |
| 21:18.28 | nn | kinda very slow tho |
| 21:18.30 | Flimzy | guestish: So it would make sense to run gigabit ethernet over a faster bus. |
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| 21:18.41 | Xinux | wats AGPs maximum troughput? |
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| 21:18.59 | asuffield | Xinux: bad question |
| 21:19.04 | Flimzy | guestish: I once owned (maybe still do) a 100mbit ISA NIC... now _that_ is a wste |
| 21:19.20 | Xinux | asuffield: why? |
| 21:19.34 | asuffield | it's not a pipeline, it's a memory aperture |
| 21:19.37 | Flimzy | Xinux: That's like asking the maximum capacity of a 4-lane highway in metric tons |
| 21:19.52 | Xinux | lol |
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| 21:20.03 | asuffield | strictly speaking there is a value for 'maximum throughput' but it's irrelevant to pretty much everything |
| 21:20.09 | asuffield | since it doesn't work like that |
| 21:20.16 | raf256 | how can I install gcc 4.0 in sarge, should I use this apt-get build src thingy? |
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| 21:20.20 | guestish | stupid surge protector! |
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| 21:20.27 | guestish | i gotta get a new one |
| 21:20.41 | Xinux | i just bought a GFX card to find out that it was the wrong one |
| 21:20.59 | Flimzy | Xinux: wrong? how? |
| 21:20.59 | guestish | Flimzy: meh, gigabit is overrated |
| 21:21.00 | joel_ | whats ISA's maximum throughput? |
| 21:21.06 | phanter | hello, i have a FTP server (sebian sarge) and I use a softlink to enable my users access to a folder. In some ftp progs this softlink is recognised as a file instead as a folder. How can I change this? |
| 21:21.07 | tarzeau | joel_: not much |
| 21:21.09 | guestish | Flimzy: i'd rather use the slot for something else |
| 21:21.14 | Xinux | Windows told me I had a PCI port, and I had an AGP port. |
| 21:21.17 | joel_ | tarzeau: bad answer |
| 21:21.21 | guestish | Xinux: slot |
| 21:21.22 | Xinux | So I went ahead and bought a PCI card. |
| 21:21.29 | Xinux | slot* |
| 21:21.31 | Xinux | sorry |
| 21:21.37 | guestish | =D |
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| 21:21.42 | asuffield | all AGP devices are also PCI devices. they aren't physically compatible slots, though |
| 21:22.08 | Flimzy | joel_: 8Mhz * 16bit bus |
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| 21:22.09 | guestish | AGP has dedicated DMA iirc |
| 21:22.11 | joel_ | Flimzy: thanks |
| 21:22.19 | asuffield | AGP is a memory aperture, tied into the northbridge. it doesn't need DMA |
| 21:22.19 | Flimzy | guestish: I thought you said it wasn't in a slot |
| 21:22.20 | Xinux | asuffield: a PCI card won't fit in a AGP slot. |
| 21:22.26 | Flimzy | joel_: Why do you ask? |
| 21:22.27 | asuffield | Xinux: that is what I just said |
| 21:22.29 | Xinux | ya |
| 21:22.42 | Xinux | i also found a useless peice of hardware |
| 21:22.45 | guestish | Flimzy: it isnt, but i wish they changed the motherboard layout |
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| 21:22.50 | Xinux | a modem :D |
| 21:23.01 | Flimzy | guestish: If it's not in a slot, then it's not wasting anything |
| 21:23.01 | guestish | :) |
| 21:23.19 | Xinux | Then of course, I took out the modem, then smashed it with a sledge hammer. |
| 21:23.19 | joel_ | Flimzy: I just got curious, when this guy said 100mbit ISA NIC is pointless |
| 21:23.28 | Flimzy | joel_: Yeah, i said that. hehe |
| 21:23.30 | jasoncohen | lol, why didn't debian use subfolders for the menu? It would be a lot less cluttered if the internet section was broken down into browsers, email programs, chat programs and remote access etc. |
| 21:23.37 | guestish | Flimzy: sure it is, the way they made the motherboard they chose to make pci slots and use the chipset's PCIX bandwidth for the integrated ethernet |
| 21:23.44 | guestish | Flimzy: instead of visa versa |
| 21:23.47 | asuffield | joel_: the exact bandwidth limit of ISA lies somewhere between 10Mbit and 100Mbit, and it's towards the low end |
| 21:24.02 | shingouz | joel_: It is... A 100MBit EISA is another thing again |
| 21:24.04 | asuffield | motherboards rarely reach the limits, of course |
| 21:24.08 | Flimzy | guestish: I don't really see that as a big problem. But I suppose if you think it is, you could get a 32-bit PCI NIC :P |
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| 21:24.19 | guestish | Flimzy: i want the PCIX slots! :) |
| 21:24.22 | Flimzy | 100mbit EISA could be worth while. |
| 21:24.30 | Xinux | Doom 3 needs hella resources. |
| 21:24.31 | Flimzy | If anybody used EISA :P |
| 21:24.34 | phanter | I use vsftp and I know the softinks work fine when in the chroot (which I use), but this is not the case. What can I change/do to fix this problem? |
| 21:24.42 | shingouz | Flimzy: I do. I have MCA too |
| 21:24.57 | phanter | I mean that the link does not point to a folder in the chroot |
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| 21:25.34 | Dabian | I have a bot, I wonder if I am allowed to let it idle here? |
| 21:26.01 | guestish | logbots are most of the channel |
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| 21:26.36 | Dabian | Its very quiet. |
| 21:26.36 | asuffield | found it, 16-bit ISA runs at 8MHz, so that's about 16Mbit of theoretical maximum bandwidth |
| 21:26.37 | Dabian | :) |
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| 21:27.10 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.31 | Dabian | nn: Yes. |
| 21:27.36 | pipeline | nn: No. The backend scripts aren't all that well documented. |
| 21:27.45 | nn | Dabian: url? |
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| 21:27.56 | Dabian | nn: Sorry, I misread. I thought you ment a debian package. |
| 21:27.57 | Cope | What's the recommended way to pass ./configure options when making a .deb from deb-src? I tried ./configure --my-options and the dpkg-buildpackage; Should I hack the debian/rules file? |
| 21:28.00 | nn | pipeline: I just need basic info anyways (where to get the scripts, etc) |
| 21:28.12 | jethro | Cope: yes |
| 21:28.18 | ctrlER | how can i change the double click speed? i've been googling for soooo long and nothing... |
| 21:28.31 | Guys | funk |
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| 21:28.48 | guestish | funky! |
| 21:28.53 | Xinux | #helpme |
| 21:28.57 | Cope | jethro: just to clarify: the recommended way is to hack the debian/rules file? |
| 21:28.57 | ctrlER | (i use openbox, so i ned to set the double click speed in X11 |
| 21:28.57 | nn | TwistedEmo: no spaces in nicks ;) |
| 21:28.58 | phanter | can I use hardlink to link from an ext2 FS to a folder on a fat32 FS? |
| 21:29.05 | pipeline | nn: install the sbuild package to get buildd; dig around on google for information on britney, the script that the debian project uses to manage buildds etc |
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| 21:29.29 | jethro | Cope: yes |
| 21:29.32 | nn | pipeline: sbuild and britney, gotcha |
| 21:29.32 | Flimzy | I had a dual-CPU board with EISA, PCI, and "Media Bus"... (some 64-bit extension to PCI... a precursor to AGP I guess) |
| 21:29.33 | Flimzy | Never used the EISA capability tho |
| 21:29.39 | Cope | jethro: ok, will do so; thanks. |
| 21:29.49 | blablablabla | phaethon: no, hardlinks are only possible inside a single filesystem |
| 21:29.51 | nn | there's bit of path changes, etc going to occur |
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| 21:31.07 | TwistedEmo | Err.. someone plz help... I someone or another installed some package on my computer that I wasnt suppose to... and now durring bootup my text is all fucked up... looks like my video card is going out.. 2) now my GUI wont boot up... gives me errors.... how can I find out what packages apt-get upgrade actually upgraded and undo it? plz help. |
| 21:31.07 | pipeline | nn: Keep in mind, I'm talking about the things you would need to create your own fork of debian. It's a lot easier to just build packages from source individually. |
| 21:31.16 | shingouz | Flimzy: PCServer 320 by IBM at the very moment. EISA/PCI with only the Matrox G200 on PCI |
| 21:31.17 | TwistedEmo | somehow |
| 21:31.29 | nn | pipeline: i'd be pretty much forking for dev purposes |
| 21:31.44 | TwistedEmo | I hate text only... |
| 21:32.36 | TwistedEmo | Anyone? |
| 21:32.56 | nn | pipeline: i'd rather have the control over specific versioning right now, too many variables as is |
| 21:33.12 | nn | but i want much to have the packages we build in the mainstream debian |
| 21:33.16 | Flimzy | Eclipser: If you're writing the program, why not make support for both? |
| 21:33.25 | nn | It's a new installer, designed for migrating from windows, for one thing |
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| 21:33.46 | Eclipser | Flimzy, I'd rather practice on something first :) |
| 21:33.49 | nn | also a lot of windows and mac OS emulation (were appropriate) |
| 21:33.54 | phanter | i need to chroot my ftp users. I want the users to access different folders (different per user). I used softlinks but vsftp does not "like" this. How can I solve this problem? |
| 21:33.57 | Eclipser | I haven't made any software with sound before |
| 21:33.58 | shingouz | TwistedEmo: Check with lsmod to see if you have something looking like a framebuffer, that may be the reason why the text is "all fucked up" whatever that definition means |
| 21:34.15 | Flimzy | Eclipser: I did... in QBasic in Jr. Hi :P |
| 21:34.25 | pipeline | nn: Uh, yeah, you probably just want to build packages from source, in which case you don't need the whole buildd apparatus. |
| 21:34.26 | Eclipser | hehheh |
| 21:34.26 | Flimzy | Eclipser: Actually, I did a lot more sound programming on my C-64... |
| 21:34.36 | pipeline | nn: I was talking about the infrastructure to make an entirely separate distribution from scratch. |
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| 21:34.56 | Eclipser | I wish I had had a C64... |
| 21:35.04 | obsidian | Eclipser: I still have mine :D |
| 21:35.04 | Flimzy | Eclipser: I have about 5 of them. Want one? |
| 21:35.04 | Eclipser | and I wish I had started programming way earlier |
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| 21:35.06 | nn | pipeline: well i'd like to do our own pseudo release (like testing/unstable/etc) |
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| 21:35.12 | Kerr | anyone know where i can get a phpBB 2.0.15 deb? |
| 21:35.19 | Cope | jethro: I suppose I really ought to hack it, diff it and add a debian-specific patch? |
| 21:35.21 | Eclipser | I got one lately but I missed my childhood with a C65 |
| 21:35.23 | Eclipser | erm... |
| 21:35.24 | CompBrain | Kerr: why do you want a debb |
| 21:35.25 | Eclipser | c64 |
| 21:35.26 | Flimzy | I have a couple C128's, 3 Vic20's, an Atari or two, and 2-3 Apple II's of various sizes |
| 21:35.28 | shingouz | Flimzy: poke 8273648276, poke 2938293874, poke 982374982734.. <*tilt*> ? |
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| 21:35.35 | nn | and just name it something different so i can use apt to upgrade this for us |
| 21:35.38 | jbmigel | anyone know how long i can readonably expect security updates in woody after sarge goes stable? |
| 21:35.38 | Eclipser | I only had a spectravideo 328 |
| 21:35.38 | Flimzy | shingouz: Those numbers are FAR too big. |
| 21:35.42 | TwistedEmo | shingouz: how do I check for framebuffer? |
| 21:35.49 | Flimzy | shingouz: Remember, the C64 only had 64 *kilobytes* of memory. |
| 21:36.04 | obsidian | Flimzy, pipeline; if you guys are curious, I figured out how you can adjust your default path when you use gdm |
| 21:36.05 | shingouz | Flimzy: Yea I know, I just hit randomly some numbers :) |
| 21:36.05 | pipeline | nn: Yeah, that's easy to do. Not that you have to. You can use /etc/apt/preferences to pin packages based on origin rather than release. Check out the "new maintainer's guide" and apt-src guides. |
| 21:36.11 | nn | pipeline: sound like a good way to do it? |
| 21:36.12 | Flimzy | Eclipser: I'd love to get my hands on a C65... there were only a few made, as prototypes. |
| 21:36.13 | TwistedEmo | shingouz: text looks like a video card going out... U know what I am talking about? |
| 21:36.24 | shingouz | TwistedEmo: No I don't |
| 21:36.24 | Eclipser | Flimzy, hehe |
| 21:36.25 | nn | pipeline: i've gotta have version control |
| 21:36.33 | obsidian | the equivalent of a profile script in gdm/gnome is "~/.gnomerc" |
| 21:36.39 | pipeline | nn: Yeah, as I just mentioned, you can do that based on origin. |
| 21:36.44 | shingouz | TwistedEmo: Check with lsmod to see if you have some framebuffer in there |
| 21:36.46 | Flimzy | Eclipser: In 93 or so, IIRC... had something like 1mb RAM, internal hard drive, and "near VGA" resolution. |
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| 21:37.03 | lexluther | anyone using gotmail??? |
| 21:37.04 | pipeline | nn: You can set up a local apt source, and add a couple lines to /etc/apt/preferences to favor packages from that source over any others, regardless of version. |
| 21:37.08 | Flimzy | Eclipser: and 100% backward compatible with the C64. Woulda been cool, if ya ask me :) |
| 21:37.13 | Flimzy | !tell lexluther about ask |
| 21:37.17 | Eclipser | anyway, the libasound tutorial thingie is "encouraging"... "this is quite complicated so I recommend JACK" :) |
| 21:37.29 | pipeline | nn: btw, a "local apt source" is just a directory on an HTTP or FTP server. |
| 21:37.37 | pipeline | nn: Easy as shit to set up. |
| 21:38.14 | nn | pipeline: yea, but the packages themself :) |
| 21:38.14 | nn | for now our stuff depends on pretty exact versions |
| 21:38.15 | Kerr | CompBrain: because it is easier to upgrade one deb, than a dozen source installs |
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| 21:38.31 | Flimzy | Woot! I finally go the nvidia drivers to compile for 2.6.11 |
| 21:38.39 | Flimzy | time to reboot and test it... *fingers crossed* |
| 21:38.40 | Flimzy | brb |
| 21:38.46 | CompBrain | Kerr: but... its phpbb |
| 21:38.48 | TwistedEmo | What is command to reconfigure GUI? dpkg-reconfigure xserver? Even though I use xfce4? |
| 21:38.51 | CompBrain | Theres nothing to compile |
| 21:39.07 | lexluther | so anyone, gotmail ? |
| 21:39.12 | nn | it's a lot of third party emulation code we're wanting to work on and make less version dependant so as to where it could possibly go into the office debian package tree |
| 21:39.13 | shingouz | !tell TwistedEmo about drxx |
| 21:39.20 | guestish | i had to use a binary edit program for my X850XT |
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| 21:39.24 | guestish | it was kinda depressing... |
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| 21:39.32 | guestish | too new of a card |
| 21:39.39 | timo | lexluther, yes |
| 21:40.02 | lexluther | timo, do u still using it presently with your hotmail account ? |
| 21:40.04 | shingouz | lexluther: What is the problem you have with gotmail, just ask but do not poll |
| 21:40.10 | timo | lexluther, yes |
| 21:40.16 | semi_ | does anyone know how i can get svgalib to use evdev? |
| 21:40.29 | useruser | anyone using marillat's mplayer package? I just upgraded and now can't play oggs |
| 21:40.45 | CompBrain | hey semi_ long time no see. |
| 21:40.49 | lexluther | timo, mine seems to be bombed, cant pool msn messages, do u know any other tool that can do just what gotmail does, dowloading specific folders |
| 21:40.59 | semi_ | hi |
| 21:41.31 | lexluther | shingouz: polling no, event interrupts yes |
| 21:42.09 | shingouz | !tell lexluther about polls |
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| 21:42.25 | lexluther | uhm, cut that out will ya |
| 21:42.37 | lexluther | timo, still there... |
| 21:42.47 | raf256 | what should I do to have gcc 4.0 and ff 1.0.4 (or 1.0.3 with that fix from 1.0.4) |
| 21:42.57 | timo | lexluther, no I don't. I don't use msn, so it works for me |
| 21:43.24 | lexluther | timo, k thanks |
| 21:44.07 | Dabian | ImLame: how are you? |
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| 21:49.28 | ImGay | watsup |
| 21:49.44 | lars| | Hello which dekstop managers are there GNOME, KDE, and some xfe.... that are cool |
| 21:49.45 | lars| | which is it |
| 21:49.50 | ImGay | i donn |
| 21:49.52 | ImGay | <--- |
| 21:50.10 | tarzeau | lars|: windowmaker |
| 21:50.18 | lars| | no its xfe... come |
| 21:51.17 | lars| | some |
| 21:51.29 | Cope | jethro: I appear not to have my pxegrub image... having changed debian/rules; wonder what I'm missing |
| 21:51.47 | Cope | worked fine when I just did a ./configure && make |
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| 21:52.32 | rob_ | I just installed Debian Sarge, and hotplug isn't bringing up any of my USB decides. What should look at to determine why? |
| 21:52.33 | phanter | how do I restart vsftpd |
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| 21:52.53 | rixth | How does one achieve Midi playback on Linux> |
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| 21:53.08 | rixth | /msg dpkg isn't very helpful |
| 21:53.16 | rob_ | well /etc//quit |
| 21:53.19 | rob_ | oops |
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| 21:54.05 | lexluther | timo, really thanks , just fixed it by a tip u mentioned... |
| 21:54.06 | lars| | Hello which dekstop managers are there GNOME, KDE, and some xfe.... that are cool... Which manager do you prefer? |
| 21:54.24 | jasoncohen | anyone know of a good gui dictionary program? |
| 21:54.47 | tarzeau | lars|: windowmaker |
| 21:54.55 | blablablabla | jasoncohen: ding |
| 21:55.51 | lars| | it was Xfce is was looking for :D |
| 21:55.59 | Cope | how do you look inside a .deb? I was just doing ar -x my.deb && tar tzvf data.tar.gz - there must be a dpkg incantation for this! |
| 21:56.12 | rixth | How does one achieve Midi playback on Linux? |
| 21:56.25 | tarzeau | rixth: using timidity |
| 21:56.29 | tarzeau | Cope: dpkg can do it |
| 21:56.42 | blablablabla | Cope: dpkg -x |
| 21:56.45 | BitShift | Cope, dpkg-query -L foo.deb? |
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| 21:57.31 | Flimzy | Alright... I've just done a dist-upgrade and kernel upgrade. Now when I try to log into X via KDM, I get this error: "XSession: warning: unable to write to /tmp; X session may exit with an error". Permissions on /tmp look fine... what might be going on? |
| 21:57.43 | guestish | Flimzy: once is enough :) |
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| 21:57.50 | Flimzy | guestish: wow, someone got it the first time? |
| 21:57.51 | RvGaTe | how do i get statistics of my hard drives... i know its a simple command, but i keep forgetting it |
| 21:57.56 | jasoncohen | blablablabla, thanks |
| 21:57.57 | rixth | Come to #rixth and I'll paste what happens. |
| 21:57.57 | guestish | heh |
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| 21:58.05 | Flimzy | guestish: My internet connection flaked out... thought I was dead to the world when I said that before |
| 21:58.06 | CompBrain | RvGaTe: df -h |
| 21:58.09 | blablablabla | jasoncohen: no problem |
| 21:58.11 | shingouz | RvGaTe: hdparm |
| 21:58.15 | guestish | ah |
| 21:58.29 | CompBrain | RvGaTe: that too. shingouz: :) |
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| 21:58.43 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 21:58.45 | RvGaTe | thx |
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| 21:58.56 | Flimzy | Hey... I know the problem |
| 21:58.57 | Flimzy | is full! |
| 21:58.58 | Flimzy | dang |
| 21:58.59 | jasoncohen | what's the command to see if you have a deb installed...like rpm -qa | grep package |
| 21:58.59 | Cope | dpkg --contents :-) |
| 21:59.06 | Flimzy | don't know hwo that happened :/ |
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| 21:59.10 | shingouz | RvGaTe: df -h for how much data you have on the drive(s) and hdparm to screw with the hardware |
| 21:59.12 | rixth | rixth /etc/timidity/freepats.cfg: No such file or directory <breaK> timidity: Can't read any configuration file. <break> Please check /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg |
| 21:59.34 | glick | excuse me, what device to I choose in kernel ALSA config for a internal intel 18x0 sound card? |
| 21:59.47 | glick | alsaconf says it cant detect my sound card |
| 21:59.48 | Cope | jasoncohen: dpkg -l I think? |
| 21:59.52 | RvGaTe | what doz df stand for ? |
| 22:00.13 | glick | RvGaTe, disk free |
| 22:00.13 | peterS | glick: why are you recompiling your kernel? |
| 22:00.18 | rixth | What does it sand for? |
| 22:00.23 | rixth | _does_ |
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| 22:00.30 | glick | peterS, i want a custom vanilla kernel |
| 22:00.39 | Cope | jasoncohen: although you don't need to grep |
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| 22:01.06 | guestish | glick: my guess is snd-intel_i8x0 |
| 22:01.11 | guestish | just a guess |
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| 22:01.25 | glick | guestish, thats not an option in alsa config |
| 22:01.26 | peterS | glick: <M> Intel/SiS/nVidia/AMD/ALi AC97 Controller |
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| 22:02.01 | helo | if i have a 20GB disk with a full install on it, and i want to make an identical copy of that disk (partition table and everything) onto a 160GB disk, what is the easiest way to do it? |
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| 22:02.10 | peterS | glick: it's a PCI device if you are having trouble finding it |
| 22:02.17 | helo | i'd like to have the last 140GB free |
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| 22:02.25 | Flimzy | Is it possible with Xinerama, to switch between desktops on _one_ display only? Or alternately, to make all windows on a particular display (or area of the desktop) persistant to all desktops? And if 'no' to both of these, is there any way on a dual head display, to move windows between displays without Xinerama? |
| 22:02.32 | Xinux | Qpartition |
| 22:02.38 | glick | peterS, yeah its a pc device |
| 22:02.40 | Xinux | helo: Qpartition |
| 22:02.44 | shingouz | helo: That is not really possible, the partition table has to be different |
| 22:02.55 | glick | and i compiled intell.sis.nvidia/amd/ AC97 into the kernel |
| 22:03.04 | Xinux | shingouz: he just wants 20gb for a full install then the rest free |
| 22:03.04 | peterS | glick: then what is the problem? |
| 22:03.06 | helo | i really just need each partition to be identical to the other partitions for RAID-1 purposes |
| 22:03.06 | shingouz | helo: partition manually and /msg dpkg cp hd to hd |
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| 22:03.15 | guestish | adios amigos |
| 22:03.17 | glick | peterS, alsaconf doesnt see my card |
| 22:03.31 | peterS | glick: why do you need alsaconf? if you compiled it into your kernel your sound should already work |
| 22:03.35 | helo | if i make partitions on the new disk the same number of sectors, will their size be identical? |
| 22:03.39 | Lamer | Need some help with Debian |
| 22:03.50 | shingouz | helo: Huh? Are you going to install raid on one physical harddrive? |
| 22:03.53 | glick | peterS, it doesnt when i play xmms it plays but there is no sund |
| 22:04.04 | helo | shingouz: no, that would be idiotic |
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| 22:04.11 | peterS | glick: you may need to tell xmms to select the alsa output plugin. it's in the plugin dialog |
| 22:04.16 | shingouz | helo: I know, that is why I asked |
| 22:04.20 | glick | peterS, i did |
| 22:04.33 | peterS | glick: then run a mixer application to make sure the volume levels are not at 0 |
| 22:05.21 | helo | so, if i make partitions of the same number of sectors on the new drive, i should be able to then dd the partition contents to the new drive, right? |
| 22:05.21 | Xinux | ghost yourself |
| 22:05.23 | Xinux | to do that |
| 22:05.24 | karamelos | how to make gnome-media vumeter work? |
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| 22:05.53 | glick | peterS, kmix has a slash through it |
| 22:06.01 | helo | dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdc1 |
| 22:06.02 | MikeCal | How come when I try to install Debian on my desktop, after booting, and the boot prompt, the screen turns black? |
| 22:06.02 | peterS | helo: yes, if you *can* make it the same number of sectors. if the disk has different geometry it won't be possible |
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| 22:06.10 | MikeCal | on my laptop* |
| 22:06.10 | helo | ahh, ok |
| 22:06.14 | Xinux | lol |
| 22:06.24 | jasoncohen | Cope, thanks- and it's faster than rpm -qa | grep package too :) |
| 22:06.39 | glick | i have an AC '97 modem controller what does that mean? |
| 22:06.49 | glick | is my modem connected to my sound car? |
| 22:06.51 | Xinux | i like Windows for its compatibility |
| 22:07.01 | peterS | glick: a modem is a device to plug into a telephone line and communicate via telephone signals. but I suspect you knew that |
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| 22:07.18 | peterS | helo: partition table formats are steeped in legacy requirements, like the archaic notion that putting partitions on cylinder boundaries actually matters |
| 22:07.23 | glick | peterS, but in alsa kernel config there is an intel modem option |
| 22:07.26 | glick | under pci devices |
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| 22:07.44 | peterS | glick: yes. you can drive your winmodem as though it were a sound card. you'd get sounds on the phone line, I think |
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| 22:08.31 | Flimzy | peterS: But can you drive your sound card like it were a modem, so I can listen to V.92 handshakes on my 5.1 surround sound system? |
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| 22:08.51 | peterS | Flimzy: sure, if you have a software stack capable of emulating V.92 |
| 22:09.09 | shingouz | Flimzy: Of course you can, you can listen to your kernel too ;) |
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| 22:10.17 | helo | it is sufficient that each partition has the same number of sectors to ensure copying their contents with dd will result in usable filesystems, correct? |
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| 22:10.55 | peterS | helo: or that the destination has *more* sectors than the source. yeah. |
| 22:10.58 | Flimzy | helo: That's not necissarily necessary... heh |
| 22:11.12 | Flimzy | helo: as peterS says, the destination must have _more_ space than the original |
| 22:11.21 | Flimzy | helo: It's often hard to get exactly the same on different drives |
| 22:11.24 | helo | i just need sufficient, not necessary :) |
| 22:11.32 | helo | i just happened to be able to |
| 22:11.44 | MikeCal | Anyone: How come when I try to install Debian on my laptop, after booting, and the boot prompt, the screen turns black? But on my desktop, its fine? |
| 22:11.52 | peterS | helo: then you're fine. but I'd just use "cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hdd4" instead of dd. cp has a much simpler interface, you know? |
| 22:12.01 | helo | so if the destination has more space, will the rest of the space be available? |
| 22:12.09 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 22:12.15 | peterS | helo: no, it won't. unless you then run a filesystem resize utility. |
| 22:12.28 | peterS | helo: those exist for most popular filesystems. 'resize2fs' works on ext2 and ext3, for example |
| 22:12.30 | helo | ok, good |
| 22:12.41 | shingouz | MikeCal: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 22:12.46 | madclicker | how can i use an 16 ip addresses over pppoe network? |
| 22:13.23 | Flimzy | madclicker: That question is too vague to provide a useful answer for. |
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| 22:13.33 | shingouz | MikeCal: That as a beginning, maybe you can find some answers that way. I hope you use the Sarge installer too. (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 22:14.02 | helo | peterS: will i have to unmount /dev/hda to be able to cp its partitions? |
| 22:14.08 | helo | *smacks self* |
| 22:14.12 | helo | of course i will... |
| 22:14.15 | peterS | helo: you mean unmount the individual partitions? a good idea, yeah |
| 22:14.25 | Wyzard | helo: Remounting it read-only would work too |
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| 22:14.34 | helo | i think i'll have to do that |
| 22:14.34 | peterS | helo: otherwise it'll still work but the destination will be as though you'd lost power without unmounting - i.e. they'll need an fsck |
| 22:14.38 | Flimzy | MikeCal: You likely have funny video hardware in your laptop that Debian's kernel doesn't understand. Try booting with vga=normal |
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| 22:15.48 | jneves | can I choose to not upgrade packages with priority: optional? |
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| 22:15.57 | helo | it will be impossible to remount the root partition as read-only, won't it? |
| 22:15.58 | madclicker | Flimzy: i got a pppoe connection from my isp with a /27 subnet mask. In this case i have 32 IP addresses to use. How can i assign them for the wan network? |
| 22:16.24 | peterS | helo: it might be. if you're talking about the root partition, you can make a close-enough-to-exact copy just by using 'cp -ax' on two mounted filesystems |
| 22:16.32 | peterS | helo: like, cp -ax / /mnt/newroot |
| 22:16.52 | jhaig | Can anyone help with NIS? I have installed the nis package and run /usr/lib/yp/ypinit -m but when I do "ypcat passwd" I get nothing (it should return the content of the NIS password list). |
| 22:17.07 | helo | what about the boot partition? |
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| 22:17.15 | peterS | helo: what about it? |
| 22:17.42 | helo | would cp -ax / /mnt/newbootandroot be good enough? |
| 22:18.08 | peterS | helo: look up the -x option. I specified it on purpose |
| 22:18.09 | helo | i have some uneasiness with copying the boot data |
| 22:18.12 | helo | ahh |
| 22:18.29 | peterS | helo: it may or may not be what you want. depends on what you want. I'm still not entirely sure what you want. |
| 22:18.55 | helo | i'd like, in the case of a drive failure, to be able to go into bios and switch the booting to the 2nd disk, and have it boot from it |
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| 22:19.17 | lrmedel | hi all |
| 22:19.53 | K_Dallas | hi lrmedel |
| 22:20.04 | helo | rather, to be able to swap the ide cable to the other drive |
| 22:20.26 | helo | just swapping the boot order would funk up fstab's partition references |
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| 22:22.56 | [Granger] | umm |
| 22:22.59 | [Granger] | isn't that called raid1 |
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| 22:24.05 | chamane | Wyzard u still around |
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| 22:24.20 | peterS | helo: getting the boot loader to work after copying the data *does* require an extra step. and that step depends on whether you use lilo or grub. but you'd need that extra step even with an exact copy, unless you also copy the MBR |
| 22:24.28 | Wyzard | chamane: Yes, I'm here |
| 22:24.37 | chamane | debian is just fantastic Wyzard |
| 22:24.47 | chamane | i love it |
| 22:24.52 | chamane | hehe thanks later |
| 22:24.57 | Wyzard | I'm glad you like it :-) |
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| 22:25.32 | chamane | now i got to find a cad for it ;)) |
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| 22:26.48 | Wyzard | chamane: "apt-cache search cad" turns up a few interesting packages, along with others that just happened to have the letters "cad" somewhere in their description |
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| 22:27.31 | lars| | What should i set in my vncserver conf to get it to use another port |
| 22:27.38 | madclicker | i got a pppoe connection from my isp with a /27 subnet mask. In this case i have 32 IP addresses to use. How can i assign them for the wan network? |
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| 22:28.06 | chamane | cool thanks Wyzard , great help u are :)) |
| 22:28.18 | Wyzard | madclicker: No, a /27 subnet mask does not necessarily mean you have 32 IP addresses |
| 22:28.52 | chamane | qcac2 i found :))) |
| 22:29.00 | chamane | qcad 2 |
| 22:29.18 | Wyzard | madclicker: Unless you've paid extra for multiple IP addresses, it almost certainly just means that the router you're connected to also services up to 31 of your neighbors |
| 22:29.40 | jasoncohen | what do i need to do to compile packages from source? i already have kernel-source-2.6.8 but i have not /usr/src/linux |
| 22:29.44 | jasoncohen | *no |
| 22:29.49 | madclicker | Wyzard: i paid for them |
| 22:30.02 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Extract /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 |
| 22:30.05 | lars| | What should i set in my vncserver conf to get it to use another port |
| 22:30.31 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: And if you want to do it the "Debian way", apt-get install kernel-package && man make-kpkg |
| 22:30.41 | Wyzard | madclicker: Then feel free to assign those addresses to your computers |
| 22:30.44 | sohn | jasoncohen: the kernel source is differnt from other source packages |
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| 22:32.31 | nse | any tipe of file that I try to open to edit with Kino gives me: Invalid file specified - what's wrong ? is any library missing or anything else? I installed Kino trought apt-get |
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| 22:33.55 | madclicker | Wyzard: i had before a dsl bridge modem (TCP/IP) with /25 network, now i switched to pppoe and if i assign someone an external ip address it doesnt work:( |
| 22:35.26 | lars| | What should i set in my vncserver conf to get it to use another port |
| 22:35.45 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, and what does make-kpkg do? |
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| 22:36.50 | jasoncohen | i just want to build madwifi |
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| 22:37.35 | glick | hey for alsa support of the i8x0 sound card i just have to enable generic devices right? |
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| 22:38.14 | jasoncohen | Wyzard, what directory should the kernel-source be extracted to? |
| 22:38.37 | Xinux | omgogmm |
| 22:38.41 | Xinux | look at this headline |
| 22:38.42 | Xinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.42 | Xinux | What you need, when you need it |
| 22:38.42 | shingouz | jasoncohen: make-kpkg is what you use to compile the kernel. /usr/src |
| 22:38.45 | Xinux | guys guys |
| 22:38.46 | Xinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.46 | Xinux | What you need, when you need it |
| 22:38.54 | Xinux | lolol |
| 22:39.46 | jhaig | Simple question maybe. If a new file is added to the /etc/cron.d/ directory should it run automatically or does something need to be done to the cron daemon? |
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| 22:40.03 | mousex | hi, there :) |
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| 22:40.16 | rob_lt | Is there a package of howtos for administrating a debian system? Something that can be stored locally and contains documentation on package management, network configuration, etc? |
| 22:40.31 | jhaig | The reason I ask is that I have just installed munin, which adds /etc/cron.d/munin, but it doesn't seem to be running (every 5 minutes, it should be) |
| 22:40.37 | mousex | how do I blacklist a module (I don't want PCMCIA loaded at boot)? |
| 22:41.06 | phogg | mousex: remove it from /etc/modules ? |
| 22:41.14 | shingouz | !tell mousex about blacklist |
| 22:41.15 | mousex | phogg: it's not there |
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| 22:41.26 | chamane | Wyzard what tool do i use to find and browse my home network please ? |
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| 22:41.41 | rob_lt | chamane, take a look at cheops |
| 22:41.50 | mousex | thanks, shingouz |
| 22:41.51 | chamane | cheops ? |
| 22:41.53 | shingouz | np |
| 22:42.04 | blablablabla | chamane: try smb4k ... |
| 22:42.17 | chamane | hehe |
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| 22:54.40 | tarzeau | does someone design fonts/typefaces using fontforge? |
| 22:54.40 | ciaron | does sendmail actually having to be running as a daemon for it send mail from the command line? |
| 22:54.59 | jasoncohen | lol, all i had to do was ln -s kernel-source-2.6.8 linux |
| 22:55.00 | tarzeau | i've got a font that has kerning problems with some fontsizes and the numbers 3,5,6,8,9 needs be fixed |
| 22:55.18 | tarzeau | ciaron: afaik not |
| 22:55.31 | karsten | How is it that debootstrap knows not to start/stop services, really? |
| 22:55.59 | karsten | ...and what's the debian installer channel? |
| 22:56.28 | dfzi | karsten, maybe this'll do. ;) |
| 22:56.39 | tarzeau | karsten: #debian-boot i think |
| 22:57.02 | karsten | tarzeau: Can't find it... |
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| 22:57.17 | karsten | tarzeau: Doh. Yeah, that's it. |
| 22:57.24 | YaleR | how do I reconfigure locales? |
| 22:57.26 | YaleR | debconf? |
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| 22:57.48 | shingouz | YaleR: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:57.58 | YaleR | oh |
| 22:57.59 | karsten | YaleR: dpkg-reconfigure <foo> |
| 22:58.00 | YaleR | sweet :) |
| 22:58.04 | YaleR | thanks guys |
| 22:58.06 | shingouz | very |
| 22:58.11 | karsten | YaleR: Awe, shucks. |
| 22:58.21 | shingouz | :$ |
| 22:58.44 | YaleR | for some reason.. £ shows up shift-3 |
| 22:58.51 | YaleR | something british is up... |
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| 22:59.54 | Gil_ | YaleR: did you select British as your keyboard layout when you installed? |
| 23:00.04 | lars| | a divx player in Debian apt-get ? |
| 23:00.07 | lars| | not mplayer |
| 23:00.12 | tarzeau | lars|: xine? |
| 23:00.17 | tarzeau | lars|: vlc? |
| 23:00.47 | rob_lt | what would I want being an english speaking canadian, english utf-8 or 8859-1? |
| 23:01.02 | tarzeau | depends |
| 23:01.14 | rob_lt | I don't know what the difference is, and google isn't much help |
| 23:01.51 | supaman | what version of firefox is in unstable at the moment? |
| 23:02.11 | Gil_ | supaman: 1.0.4 |
| 23:02.18 | YaleR | Gil_: :( |
| 23:02.20 | karsten | FWIW: fake-start-stop-daemon |
| 23:02.20 | YaleR | maybe... |
| 23:02.35 | YaleR | dpkg-reconfigure ... keyboard lol |
| 23:02.53 | YaleR | keymap? |
| 23:03.16 | supaman | bother that in testing it is only 1.0.1 ... when going to the extension website of mozilla they want you to upgrade to the latest browser ... |
| 23:03.16 | sether | YaleR: loadkeys <keymap> |
| 23:03.28 | Gil_ | YaleR: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 23:03.59 | Gil_ | supaman: come live on the edge! ;) |
| 23:04.18 | supaman | Gil_: hehehe .. thinking about it :-) |
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| 23:04.38 | YaleR | :) #| |
| 23:04.39 | YaleR | yay |
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| 23:09.20 | cinix | I've always used Samba for file sharing, but now that there aren't any windows machines on my network I'm at a loss for a non-ms solution |
| 23:09.26 | cinix | what should I use? nfs? |
| 23:09.48 | jasoncohen | http://pastebin.com/284399 |
| 23:10.15 | jasoncohen | i did a make and then a make install of the madwifi driver. I didn't get any errors but modprobe ath_pci failed |
| 23:10.35 | karsten | cinix: CFS really isn't particularly windowish. It's a decent distributed FS. |
| 23:10.40 | jasoncohen | what should i do? |
| 23:10.58 | cinix | what's CFS? |
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| 23:11.04 | karsten | madclicker: panic. |
| 23:11.06 | kelan | if i have multiple keys in my gpg secret keyring, how do i change the default key from just the first one listed? |
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| 23:11.19 | karsten | cinix: Common File System == SMB == Samba == Windows File/Print share. |
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| 23:11.24 | karsten | !cfs |
| 23:11.24 | dpkg | hmm... cfs is a Cryptographic Filesystem supports secure storage at the system level through a standard Unix file system interface to encrypted files. Users associate a cryptographic key with the directories they wish to protect. Files in these directories (as well as their pathname components) are transparently encrypted & decrypted with the specified key without further intervention; cleartext is never stored on a disk or sent to a remote ... |
| 23:11.25 | cinix | ahh. |
| 23:11.30 | cinix | thanks dpkg :) |
| 23:11.31 | dpkg | de rien, cinix |
| 23:11.35 | karsten | Um. CIFS. |
| 23:11.38 | karsten | COmmon Internet. |
| 23:11.41 | karsten | !CIFS |
| 23:11.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, cifs is Common Internet File System or see SMB, or it is basically SMB without NBT |
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| 23:13.11 | madclicker | kardten: why? |
| 23:13.18 | madclicker | karsten: why? |
| 23:14.22 | jasoncohen | any ideas on the madwifi problem? |
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| 23:14.40 | karsten | madclicker: because |
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| 23:15.33 | karsten | jasoncohen: Apparently not. |
| 23:15.43 | madclicker | karsten: my kung-fu is stronger than yours, don't mess with me |
| 23:15.46 | karsten | madclicker: Um. NM... |
| 23:15.52 | lars| | A x11 ftp program? |
| 23:15.59 | karsten | madclicker: My bean-fu is stronger than yours. |
| 23:16.22 | karsten | lars|: apt-cache search ftp |
| 23:16.41 | madclicker | karsten: o yeah |
| 23:17.04 | madclicker | karsten: sounds too loose |
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| 23:18.23 | karsten | lars|: Prolly something blecherous like Nautilus. Most browser will handle FTP as well IIRC. |
| 23:18.40 | karsten | lars|: kbear |
| 23:18.48 | rob_lt | why not just use openssh and scp? |
| 23:19.05 | rob_lt | then you can ssh into the box too if you want. |
| 23:19.06 | kerneld | gftp-gtk aint too bad |
| 23:19.21 | kerneld | handles SFTP/SSH2 |
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| 23:19.30 | madclicker | gftp - nice |
| 23:19.34 | madclicker | i dig it |
| 23:19.46 | madclicker | lftp is #1 |
| 23:19.53 | madclicker | :) |
| 23:20.01 | madclicker | am #1 |
| 23:20.08 | kerneld | oNn doze, I like filezilla, on linux I like ncftp |
| 23:20.28 | K_Dallas | I have noticed that there is a package in Deibian named Diploma (for LaTeX) but I have no idea what it really is only that is for sceintific works. Has anyone ever used it and is there any documentation that I could consult? thanks |
| 23:20.38 | rob_lt | +1 for ncftp |
| 23:20.40 | K_Dallas | Debian* |
| 23:20.40 | kerneld | If there was a nice console ftp front end for sftp like ncftp, I would use that |
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| 23:21.22 | madclicker | kerneld : lftp |
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| 23:21.53 | kerneld | I use lftp a few years ago but was unimpressed |
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| 23:22.02 | kerneld | maybe it has improved :) |
| 23:22.15 | eonn | hey guys, can anyone recommmend an application that will allow windows users to share Outlook calander? |
| 23:22.17 | K_Dallas | everything improves, even Windows ;) |
| 23:22.39 | madclicker | eonn:Evolution |
| 23:22.51 | ctrlER | does anyone know how to define doouble click time in X11? |
| 23:22.53 | kerneld | d-i |
| 23:22.56 | kerneld | :P |
| 23:22.59 | ctrlER | im realy lost.... |
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| 23:23.16 | kerneld | ctrlER: man xset for a start |
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| 23:23.42 | eonn | madclicker: evoution ? Isnt evolution client software only |
| 23:23.48 | ctrlER | xset, only works for mouse acceleration |
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| 23:25.03 | madclicker | eonn: are u looking for a server solution? |
| 23:25.13 | kerneld | If you have gnome, there is a Mouse config |
| 23:25.16 | madclicker | eonn: try horde on apavhe |
| 23:25.21 | madclicker | apache |
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| 23:25.34 | Azar | wonder if someone can explain me what this syslogd message means: syslogd: /var/log/news/news.crit: No such file or directory .. var/log/news/news.err: No such file or directory ... /var/log/news/news.notice: No such file or directory, if is not important how can I stop this messages to show up ? |
| 23:25.35 | eonn | madclicker: yeah a way of integrating linux server with MS clients |
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| 23:26.03 | eonn | need to share calander from outlook |
| 23:26.11 | madclicker | eonn: outlook clients or just clients? |
| 23:26.20 | _me_ | i have a sb16 sound card but when running alsaconf and leting it probe for the card it reports 0 found im running 2.6 kernal anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:26.42 | eonn | outlook clients would be preferable (as it would reduce training costs) but any client with the features of outlook would be fine |
| 23:26.54 | Azar | _me_ maybe you need to setup your sound driver module |
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| 23:27.22 | _me_ | how? |
| 23:27.43 | karsten | Azar: Presumably you can make the files exist. eg: touch <file> <file> |
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| 23:28.09 | Azar | karsten, thank you :) |
| 23:28.14 | madclicker | eonn: in my opinion the best solution would be a web-client to linux server with SQL and Apache, with implementation of horde. |
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| 23:28.31 | Azar | _me_ I think with modconf, but I am not 100% sure ask again for some gurus here |
| 23:28.51 | Azar | _me_ you need to know what type of sound card/chip you have |
| 23:29.06 | eonn | madclicker: yeah, this is the route we are going, but i was hoping that there might be a simplier solution |
| 23:29.07 | _me_ | ic |
| 23:29.22 | _me_ | maybe ill google abit first |
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| 23:29.28 | _me_ | thanks' |
| 23:29.33 | madclicker | eonn: u mean like an exchange server |
| 23:29.35 | madclicker | ? |
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| 23:30.10 | ctrlER | kerneld, if u where to look for answers to my mouse question what string would u use? (im not that good in english... im portuguese) |
| 23:31.08 | nse | Hello everybody, I need to change the size of a .mpg file that I have. It has 795 MB and I have to turn it into something that can be in a CD. Is there any Debian app that can perform this kind of task? |
| 23:31.09 | cinix | my hotplug isn't starting on bootup. if I run /etc/init.d/hotplug restart all my usb devices appear, any suggestions? Is there a setting in /etc/default/hotplug tha ti'm not seeing |
| 23:31.23 | madclicker | what is the channel limit? |
| 23:31.32 | madclicker | in decimal? |
| 23:32.15 | kerneld | ctrlER: google.com "double click rate" X11 debian |
| 23:32.30 | ctrlER | thank u |
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| 23:33.00 | kerneld | ctrlER: Take out X11 and you get a nice small set |
| 23:33.07 | madclicker | "brctl pppoe" anyone here did it? |
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| 23:33.26 | karsten | So here's how the fake s-s-d works: echo \"Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing\"" > "$TARGET/sbin/start-stop-daemon" |
| 23:33.38 | karsten | From /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/sarge |
| 23:33.46 | karsten | s-s-d == start-stop-daemon |
| 23:34.04 | eonn | madclicker: lol no..not exchange server - that is an overkill. I have found a few 'windows' based utilities that allow the sharing of calander and 'task list' features only without needed a full on mail server |
| 23:34.24 | eonn | madclicker: thought there might be a similar utitlity under linux |
| 23:35.08 | TwistedEmotions | is pentium4 HT consider SMP? |
| 23:35.09 | jasoncohen | http://pastebin.com/284406 |
| 23:35.21 | jasoncohen | isn't the version i entered correct? |
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| 23:35.32 | thingfish | TwistedEmotions: sort of. |
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| 23:35.48 | Pappa | walker texas ranger rocks |
| 23:35.53 | phanter | hello, how do I remotely restart sshd in debian (so i am using sshd)? |
| 23:35.53 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.57 | TwistedEmotions | thingfish: should i get smp kernels then? |
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| 23:36.18 | teun | TwistedEmotions: yes |
| 23:36.19 | thingfish | TwistedEmotions: you must, if you want to take advantage of HT. |
| 23:36.20 | jasoncohen | wouldn't --revision be 2.6.8-2 and -flavor 2-686 for 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 23:36.38 | TwistedEmotions | thanks guys |
| 23:36.39 | madclicker | eonn: are u using it for some sort of ticketing system for multi-departments? |
| 23:36.51 | thingfish | no problemo |
| 23:37.19 | cafuego | phanter: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
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| 23:38.10 | phanter | oke thatnks |
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| 23:38.20 | jasoncohen | I note that you are using the --revision flag with the value 2.6.8-2. However, the ./debian/changelog file exists, and has a different value 10.00.Custom. |
| 23:39.15 | rixth | Can Midis be played back when embedded on a page in Firefox? (With a plugin) |
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| 23:39.53 | eonn | madclicker: nah my company specialises in providing support to Accounting and Finance firms, these companies like to share calander information so that they can see what each other is doing. ALso allows the receptionist to book appointments and so forth |
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| 23:42.07 | karsten | eonn: Calendaring remains a weak point in linux userspace. There's a plugin for Evolution to MS Exchange. There's also a (proprietary) product from Samsung called "Contact". |
| 23:42.20 | [Granger] | umm |
| 23:42.27 | [Granger] | I'm sorry to say that |
| 23:42.29 | KerPlunk | !start a distro war |
| 23:42.29 | dpkg | Progeny owns! |
| 23:42.30 | [Granger] | if you're using outlook |
| 23:42.38 | [Granger] | you're suck with Ms. Exchange |
| 23:42.39 | zztt | hi. how can i pad a file with zeros to make it the same size as a floppy disk image (for use with mkisofs to make a bootable CD) ? |
| 23:42.43 | karsten | eonn: There are calendaring projects from Mozilla (IIRC "Sunfish") and "Chandler" lead by Mitch Kapor (of Lotus Development / Lotus 123 fame). |
| 23:42.47 | eonn | madclicker: what do you think about this http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird.html |
| 23:42.48 | [Granger] | at least until I can figure out how to hack the outlook .pst file |
| 23:43.04 | [Granger] | eonn: Sunbird is about as mature as my own calendar program |
| 23:43.08 | [Granger] | aka not production ready |
| 23:43.23 | karsten | eonn: Yeah, Sunbird. In development, not sure how cross-platform it is yet. |
| 23:43.28 | [Granger] | and it doesn't offer workgroup sharing |
| 23:43.40 | [Granger] | what are you doing in here? |
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| 23:43.55 | yarddog | waiting for you |
| 23:44.02 | cafuego | get a room |
| 23:44.09 | yarddog | haha |
| 23:44.11 | eonn | well at least its got everyone talking |
| 23:44.13 | eonn | lol |
| 23:44.27 | [Granger] | eonn: I got VERY annoyed with Outlook and it's "compatibility" |
| 23:44.33 | [Granger] | so I set about creating my own GNU version of it |
| 23:44.41 | eonn | Granger: yeah im with you |
| 23:44.43 | cafuego | Tried 'Evolution' yet? |
| 23:44.44 | [Granger] | sadly it's turning out to be a very messy affair |
| 23:44.53 | [Granger] | cafuego: yes, and there's no win32 version |
| 23:44.54 | eonn | Granger: lol |
| 23:45.01 | cafuego | [Granger]: of course not! |
| 23:45.21 | [Granger] | I'm attempting to write one that has a linux and a win32 port |
| 23:45.22 | karsten | [Granger]: Not even via cygwin? |
| 23:45.41 | [Granger] | karsten: never tried it that way |
| 23:45.47 | [Granger] | but it's far from an elegant solution |
| 23:46.01 | karsten | [Granger]: So is Windows. Your complaint is ...? |
| 23:46.04 | [Granger] | if I'm gonna use a PIM, I want a shortcut |
| 23:46.14 | karsten | [Granger]: s/so is/neither is/ |
| 23:46.25 | [Granger] | karsten: your personal opinions aside, you can't just ignore 90% of the software world |
| 23:46.27 | madclicker | eonn: the best way to go for cross platform support is "HTML"!!!!!! |
| 23:46.42 | jasoncohen | http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi - i went through those steps and modprobe ath_pci still says ath_pci can't be found |
| 23:46.45 | karsten | [Granger]: In _my_ fantasy universe, that works fine. |
| 23:46.47 | [Granger] | sure, NT is a pain in the @$$ sometimes |
| 23:46.47 | raf256 | moo |
| 23:46.54 | nse | Hello everybody, I need to change the size of a .mpg file that I have with 795 MB. I must turn it into something that can be in a CD. Is there any Debian app that can perform this kind of task? |
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| 23:46.59 | [Granger] | but until Linux makes some headway in the desktop department |
| 23:47.01 | [Granger] | we're stuck with it |
| 23:47.12 | daxxar | Hm. |
| 23:47.19 | [Granger] | and I'm doing my part in reaching that goal of Linux on the desktop |
| 23:47.23 | jasoncohen | i'm having a problem with the --revision tag which conflicts with the version of the kernel-source |
| 23:47.25 | daxxar | How can I count the number of occurences of each unique line? |
| 23:47.30 | jasoncohen | http://pastebin.com/284406 |
| 23:47.54 | karsten | nse: There's some video editing software (kvio?) that may be able to modify A/V codecs. |
| 23:48.00 | cafuego | if you think it's still not ready, you're kidding yourself. |
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| 23:48.05 | karsten | daxxar: sort | uniq -c |
| 23:48.09 | eonn | Hmmmm, this looks promising.. http://www.opengroupware.org/ |
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| 23:48.19 | [Granger] | cafuego: the current generation is more concerned with eye candy than rock solid stability I'm afraid |
| 23:48.28 | daxxar | karsten, thanks |
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| 23:48.37 | [Granger] | I know debian ships with eGroupWare |
| 23:48.42 | [Granger] | not sure how good that is |
| 23:48.47 | [Granger] | I usually deselect it |
| 23:48.48 | karsten | [Granger]: Bitch to set up. |
| 23:48.57 | cafuego | [Granger]: I can't say I've had any crashes in stuff like openoffice/evolution as of late. |
| 23:49.02 | karsten | [Granger]: I've been looking at TUTOS & eGroupware off and on for a while. |
| 23:49.12 | [Granger] | karsten: hmm.... |
| 23:49.22 | karsten | [Granger]: The setup leaves much to be desired. |
| 23:49.26 | nse | karsten: any idea who are them? |
| 23:49.30 | [Granger] | cafuego: they want a mix of Aqua with NT "stability" |
| 23:49.41 | karsten | [Granger]: ...and I'm partial to redheads and brunettes. |
| 23:49.46 | karsten | nse: ?? |
| 23:49.56 | cafuego | [Granger]: Eyecandy is nice, but I'd rather have better stability than NT (and I do ;-) |
| 23:50.01 | [Granger] | not six virtual consoles and an X server that needs to be restarted for resolution changes |
| 23:50.14 | cafuego | karsten: Aww, shucks, I'm blonde. |
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| 23:50.22 | [Granger] | hey my debian server has been up for two months now |
| 23:50.29 | [Granger] | that should tell you something |
| 23:50.32 | karsten | cafuego: I make exceptions, but you've got to be drunk first. |
| 23:50.39 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.44 | cafuego | karsten: I'm ALWAYS drunk |
| 23:50.45 | [Granger] | and I've been developing in KDE for the past few weeks |
| 23:50.54 | cafuego | karsten: nice load |
| 23:50.59 | karsten | cafuego: Nice rack. |
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| 23:51.32 | paulswm | I find XP to be very stable, actually. |
| 23:51.35 | [Granger] | cafuego: sadly I don't think there's gonna be a KDE barbie theme anytime soon |
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| 23:51.41 | karsten | paulswm: ...in the "off" mode? |
| 23:51.50 | [Granger] | XP is stable until you attempt to develop with it |
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| 23:51.53 | [Granger] | then it's a POS |
| 23:51.55 | nse | karsten: sorry, I didn't see - Kvio |
| 23:51.56 | cafuego | [Granger]: I'm not too worried about that, I far prefer Gnome over KDE. |
| 23:52.03 | K_Dallas | paulswm, XP is pretty good indeed yet if you use it heavily, you need to reboot no matter what ;) |
| 23:52.05 | [Granger] | I had a memory leak crash the entire system |
| 23:52.21 | [Granger] | and mind you this was a memory leak in the java virtual machine |
| 23:52.27 | karsten | paulswm: My experience is that most MSFT OSs are fair to middlin' until connected to the Internet. |
| 23:52.28 | [Granger] | which isn't supposed to happen |
| 23:52.39 | yarddog | do you prefer w2k instead for dev? |
| 23:52.41 | karsten | nse: kino |
| 23:52.52 | [Granger] | yarddog: the problem lies with the NT kernel |
| 23:53.02 | [Granger] | Microsoft needs to code something worthwhile |
| 23:53.10 | cafuego | like Bob! |
| 23:53.15 | [Granger] | but as long as NT is "good enough" they won't I suppose |
| 23:53.18 | paulswm | K_Dallas: That's not been my experience |
| 23:53.21 | karsten | nse: And I'm *not* particularly knowledgable in this are. Note too that mpeg / mpg is a lossy compressed format. You're *far* better going to original sources. |
| 23:53.50 | yarddog | if you _must_ use windows for dev, isnt 2k better than xp? |
| 23:53.58 | yarddog | for stability anyway |
| 23:54.06 | [Granger] | yarddog: it's the same darn kernel |
| 23:54.08 | K_Dallas | paulswm, glad it has worked for you |
| 23:54.14 | [Granger] | damnit you've been a windows xp op for over a year |
| 23:54.16 | paulswm | karsten: I've had no probs with XP and the internet, but of course I take precautions :) |
| 23:54.16 | [Granger] | you should know this |
| 23:54.23 | karsten | yarddog: Word I get from a lot of folks is that 2K's the best they've released yet. |
| 23:54.24 | yarddog | i know |
| 23:54.39 | paulswm | you all have a safe night, bye |
| 23:54.39 | [Granger] | 2000 is NT 5.0.2195 |
| 23:54.44 | karsten | [Granger]: It's not _just_ the kernel, it's how stuff interacts w/it. |
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| 23:54.48 | [Granger] | XP is NT 5.1.2600 |
| 23:54.55 | yarddog | right... |
| 23:55.00 | karsten | paulswm: Such as? MSIE is a gaping sucking chest wound in & of itself. |
| 23:55.02 | K_Dallas | 2k seems more robust to me but companies that i know are switching to xp and i just do not know why |
| 23:55.04 | cafuego | karsten: it uses half the ram that XP does and doesn't include directx, gotta count for something. |
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| 23:55.24 | [Granger] | XP just added a GUI for 70% of the stuff in 2k |
| 23:55.26 | karsten | cafuego: Oi. |
| 23:55.31 | [Granger] | the XP Firewall exists in 2k |
| 23:55.36 | glick | hmm with alsa im pretty sure i have the correct components needed for my card compiuled into the kernel |
| 23:55.40 | [Granger] | it's just that you have to manipulate a raw IP stack |
| 23:55.40 | glick | but i still get no sound |
| 23:55.41 | [Granger] | that's all |
| 23:55.43 | yarddog | companies are switching becuz of the support issue coming up |
| 23:55.44 | glick | thourh xmms |
| 23:55.50 | glick | it is using the alsa output plugin |
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| 23:55.52 | karsten | The one XP feature that's middlin' useful is user switching. Which of course *doesn't* work on a Domain login.... |
| 23:55.57 | glick | any suggestions |
| 23:55.58 | glick | ? |
| 23:56.09 | karsten | glick: mixer. |
| 23:56.11 | [Granger] | karsten: no that's the most damning feature of all |
| 23:56.14 | [Granger] | don't EVER use it |
| 23:56.21 | karsten | [Granger]: Whydat? |
| 23:56.24 | [Granger] | the way they implemented it is scandalous |
| 23:56.44 | [Granger] | karsten: because you're essentially connecting via a built in "terminal server" |
| 23:56.52 | [Granger] | actually you are |
| 23:56.54 | karsten | [Granger]: Back in the day, I got WinNT 4.0 WS. Thought I'd have multi-user, decent text terminal app, etc. Found anything but. |
| 23:57.05 | karsten | [Granger]: Do tell. What's wrong with that? |
| 23:57.19 | [Granger] | karsten: have you used Windows Terminal Services? |
| 23:57.27 | karsten | [Granger]: Only very lightly. |
| 23:57.32 | [Granger] | because you're basically going through that logging on to localhost |
| 23:57.42 | [Granger] | with all the overhead that it introduces |
| 23:57.53 | [Granger] | killing all that stuff in Services saves around 20mb of ram |
| 23:58.12 | glick | alsamixer's master volue is up |
| 23:58.14 | [Granger] | I shouldn't have to use up an extra 20mb just to login with a second user |
| 23:58.16 | glick | so is kmixer |
| 23:58.36 | [Granger] | Terminal Services, Fast User Switching, Secondary Logon etc... |
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