| 00:00.40 | glick | there is a slash through the mixer icon |
| 00:00.44 | glick | in the kde panel |
| 00:00.52 | cafuego | [Granger]: Of course you do, they need to run a concurrent copy of explorer and god knows what else kind of shite |
| 00:00.58 | karsten | glick: Permissions on the sound device? |
| 00:01.06 | karsten | glick: Are you in the 'audio' group? |
| 00:01.12 | glick | karsten, heh never mind it was muted but it still doesnt work |
| 00:01.13 | [Granger] | cafuego: umm duh I know that |
| 00:01.27 | karsten | glick: OK, that's one item down.... |
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| 00:01.43 | glick | karsten, yes im in the audio group |
| 00:01.53 | [Granger] | glick: how many cards do you have? |
| 00:01.56 | karsten | glick: Did you log out/in after putting yourself there? |
| 00:01.57 | [Granger] | and is this a custom kernel? |
| 00:02.13 | glick | [Granger], just one cad and yes its a custom vanilla kernel |
| 00:02.21 | [Granger] | sigh |
| 00:02.23 | jasoncohen | i figured it out. As i suspected it was writing to the wrong dir - 2.6.8 v. 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 00:02.26 | jasoncohen | cp -a /lib/modules/2.6.8/net/ /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/net/ |
| 00:02.27 | jasoncohen | jasonslaptop:/lib/modules/2.6.8/net# update-modules |
| 00:02.27 | jasoncohen | jasonslaptop:/lib/modules/2.6.8/net# modprobe ath_pci |
| 00:02.27 | jasoncohen | jasonslaptop:/lib/modules/2.6.8/net# |
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| 00:02.35 | [Granger] | aptitude -r install alsa-source |
| 00:02.38 | karsten | !tell jasoncohen about flood |
| 00:02.45 | dabreegster | I don't really know the best place to ask this, but anyway, does anybody know how I could emulate Playstation games? There doesn't seem to be an emulator for any form of *nix. Should I just try running a DOS emulator and a PS emulator within that? |
| 00:02.45 | [Granger] | tar xfj /usr/src/alsa-driver-<version> |
| 00:02.50 | [Granger] | then redo the config |
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| 00:02.57 | karsten | !tell jasoncohen about flood |
| 00:03.05 | karsten | !tell jasoncohen about paster |
| 00:03.06 | jasoncohen | sorry guys. I meant to put that in pastebin |
| 00:03.08 | jasoncohen | not paste |
| 00:03.08 | glick | [Granger], alsa is in the kernel source |
| 00:03.13 | gravity | dabreegster: There used to be a PS1 emulator for Linux. Haven't checked on it in years though. |
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| 00:03.16 | gravity | No idea about PS2 |
| 00:03.17 | cafuego | dabreegster: That would be frighteningly slow and lack 3d supprot, which you'll most likely want. |
| 00:03.19 | [Granger] | and type "make-kpkg -revision <rev> kernel_image kernel_headers module_image" |
| 00:03.31 | [Granger] | glick: that's what I was told to do |
| 00:03.33 | [Granger] | and my sound works |
| 00:03.37 | cafuego | Playing Crash bandicoot on the pc would rock, though :-) |
| 00:03.40 | dabreegster | cafuego: Not necessarily. Silent Hill 1 isn't 3D, I don't think. |
| 00:03.46 | dabreegster | gravity: Happen to recall the name? |
| 00:03.53 | [Granger] | you need the alsa modules in debian stable/testing/unstable/whatever your config expects |
| 00:03.54 | gravity | dabreegster: It's been waaaay too long |
| 00:03.56 | [Granger] | not the ones in the kernel |
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| 00:04.00 | dabreegster | gravity: I couldn't find it on freshmeat.net and Google isn't turning up much yet |
| 00:04.00 | jasoncohen | how do i make linux compile to the correct kernel (2.6.8-2-686) rather than 2.6.8 as it's doing now |
| 00:04.52 | gravity | dabreegster: http://www.zophar.net/unix/psx.html |
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| 00:05.21 | dabreegster | gravity: Thanks. I must've missed that; well, that's what I get when browsing with elinks. |
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| 00:05.55 | [Granger] | jasoncohen: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 00:05.56 | gravity | dabreegster: That was the 5th link down |
| 00:05.56 | [Granger] | read |
| 00:06.00 | gravity | I remember zophar from back in the day |
| 00:06.25 | jasoncohen | thanks- now to check |
| 00:06.30 | dabreegster | gravity: Some pages aren't meant to be viewed in text-only browsers. |
| 00:06.42 | gravity | heh |
| 00:07.16 | Azar | finally I managed to put together all the puzzle about upgrading to Sarge in my journal /me looks for a new challenge |
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| 00:07.44 | gravity | Azar: Fix RC bugs so sarge can release. That's a good challenge |
| 00:07.59 | Azar | :) oh my I am just a newbie |
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| 00:08.10 | gravity | Everyone's got to start somewhere :-) |
| 00:08.26 | Azar | Debian developers struggle with creating, I struggle with learning what it is all that about |
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| 00:09.47 | markmrd | what is the TERM shell variable used for? |
| 00:09.50 | Azar | btw I was reading last night an article about how Hard Drives lie, there was a test script for that too |
| 00:09.56 | madclicker | need help with pppoe network with 31 ip addresses |
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| 00:12.27 | dabreegster | Azar: Yeah, that was on Slashdot. Was it interesting? |
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| 00:17.30 | jason_ | is there a wpa_supplicant howto for debian? |
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| 00:18.25 | atrus | trying to install a usb samsung ml-1740 printer under cups, but 'lpinfo -v' doesn't list my printer. the printer was detected by usblp, and shows up as /dev/usb/lp0, with permissions a+rw. any suggestions? |
| 00:19.26 | shingouz | atrus: Cupsys? |
| 00:19.39 | shingouz | or cups or whatever it is called |
| 00:19.51 | shingouz | !cups |
| 00:19.51 | dpkg | [cups] a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
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| 00:20.08 | Azar | dabreegster, yes it was interesting, now I know why my MSWin box suffers when we get a blackout, and the Debian box not.. |
| 00:20.24 | Azar | did you read it, dabreegster? |
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| 00:22.01 | atrus | shingouz: what about it? |
| 00:22.37 | atrus | shingouz: lpinfo is part of cups, it's a program to show you all the printers that cups sees. but it doesn't see mine. |
| 00:22.40 | jason_ | is there a howto for setting up wireless in general? |
| 00:23.48 | shingouz | atrus: ok. Do you have usblp in lsmod (or printer for 2.4 i think) |
| 00:23.54 | dondelelcaro | jason_: once you get your wireless card working, it's really no different than any other network connection |
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| 00:24.10 | dondelelcaro | (unless you need to set an essid or key or something, and then man iwconfig; is your friend) |
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| 00:24.18 | jason_ | dondelelcaro, i know. i have it working fine in mandrake |
| 00:24.18 | shingouz | atrus: Orry, i need to read a bit more :) |
| 00:24.25 | jason_ | it's setting it up that is the problem |
| 00:24.34 | E-bola | Do anybody know of any backports of newest squirrelmail for stable debian? |
| 00:24.39 | jason_ | wpa_supplicant authenticatse with the AP but doesn't give me an IP |
| 00:24.49 | atrus | shingouz: yeah, it's loaded and ready. udev even saw the thing and created /dev/usb/lp0. |
| 00:25.08 | shingouz | atrus: But you cannot print to it? |
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| 00:25.37 | atrus | shingouz: well i have to configure it first. cups doesn't seem to see it. |
| 00:25.47 | kingsley_ | "rtl8139-diag" reports "Flow control: Tx disabled Rx disabled" on a new eth1. Could this explain why "ping" fails? |
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| 00:25.53 | shingouz | jason_: Do you have a dhcp client there too? You need one if you have a dhcp server |
| 00:26.13 | jason_ | yes, my ethernet card is dhcp and it's getting its ip just fine |
| 00:26.36 | dondelelcaro | jason_: that just authenticates you with the wap. You need to run dhcp3-client <interface>; or edit /etc/network/interfaces; to have the wireless interface use dhcp. |
| 00:26.36 | shingouz | atrus: I am a bit out of ideas, did you try with the http://localhost:631 too? |
| 00:26.54 | atrus | shingouz: that's the only thing i've tried for configuring the printer. |
| 00:28.35 | jason_ | dondelelcaro, that worked |
| 00:28.42 | jason_ | now how do i automate that? |
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| 00:28.45 | shingouz | atrus: I think I better shut up on the printer issue, I am a bit out of my depth at the moment, sorry ;) |
| 00:29.08 | dondelelcaro | jason_: $EDITOR /etc/network/interfaces; add an appropriate stanza (man 5 interfaces for details) and ifup <wlaninterface>; when you want to use the wlan |
| 00:29.36 | jason_ | i had to do wpa_supplicant -i ath0 -c /etc/wpa_config -Dmadwifi and then dhclient ath0 to connect |
| 00:29.40 | Eclipser | could someone recommend a small/quick/easy way to get my CPU usage to 100%? |
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| 00:29.58 | nse | I'm with a problem: Kino don't recognize any file format that I try to open, including .mpg .avi , is there any way to go round this? |
| 00:30.20 | atrus | anybody else know what's involved in setting up a usb printer? |
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| 00:30.33 | rob_lt | nse, kino will only open dv files (commonly exported from a digital camera) |
| 00:30.57 | shingouz | Eclipser: Why would you like to do that, it would just make your computer totally unresponsive |
| 00:31.23 | madclicker | how can i configure debian with pppoe connection with 31 IP addresses? |
| 00:31.40 | nse | rob_lt: I thought it could resize a .mpg video file.. Is there any app for me to do that? |
| 00:31.40 | jason_ | dondelelcaro, will map ath0 and iface ath0 inet dhcp work? |
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| 00:32.07 | atrus | hm. i don't have a "usb" or even an parport or lp option in /usr/lib/cups/backend. |
| 00:32.26 | rob_lt | mencoder input.mpg -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4 -vf scale=640:480 -o output.avi |
| 00:32.32 | Eclipser | shingouz, to test stuff... I found Schnell_pi already though, so I don't need it anymore |
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| 00:32.54 | nn | Found a 404 on debian.org http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals ,Go to Debian Repository HOWTO , both english links 404 |
| 00:33.17 | jason_ | dondelelcaro, now when i do wp_supplicant -i ath0 -c /etc/wpa_config - |
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| 00:33.32 | jason_ | -D madwifi it authenticates and grants an IP automatically |
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| 00:35.27 | madclicker | how can i configure debian with pppoe connection and 31 IP addresses on the wan side switch? (I've been given a /28 network by ISP) |
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| 00:35.45 | cinix | what's the best way to upgrade mozilla-firefox when it comes out with new security releases, will debian-security team pick that up and I just have to wait? |
| 00:35.49 | rob_lt | nse, did you take a look at mencoder? |
| 00:35.55 | rj- | k |
| 00:35.56 | dondelelcaro | cinix: yes. |
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| 00:36.46 | atrus | okay, i got /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb installed, but still no printer in 'lpinfo -v' |
| 00:37.01 | Azar | madclicker, I do not know but I am looking for some manual for you |
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| 00:37.37 | NegroGatto | boa noite! |
| 00:38.02 | jason_ | dondelelcaro, in mandrake i added that wpa_supplicant line if ifup-config and whenever i did ifup ath0 it would start wpa_config. how do i do the same in debian? |
| 00:38.16 | jason_ | i can't find any debian specific howtos on wpa_supplicant |
| 00:38.20 | madclicker | Azar: thx, i've been reading about brctl but no too sure if that is a route for my case. |
| 00:38.21 | Azar | madclicker see if you find your topic here: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html |
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| 00:38.53 | nse | rob_lt: that's what I'm doing, is it debian packaged? |
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| 00:39.23 | Azar | madclicker maybe this will help: http://netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//networking-concepts-HOWTO.html |
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| 00:40.12 | madclicker | roger |
| 00:40.12 | jason_ | does anyone use wpa_config here? |
| 00:41.28 | Azar | madclicker: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 00:41.47 | rob_lt | nse, "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main" will give you mplayer, mencoder, w32codecs, dvdcss2, etc... everything you need :) |
| 00:41.53 | atrus | hmmmm. chmod'ing /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb a+x seemed to do the trick. |
| 00:42.08 | dabreegster | !tell nse about marillat |
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| 00:42.19 | rob_supper | thanks dabreegster, I wasn't sure how to do that. |
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| 00:42.44 | nse | hmmm.. marillat repository, i've heard about it a few times.. |
| 00:42.55 | dabreegster | nse: It's useful. |
| 00:43.10 | Azar | marillat does not work for me anymore since I upgraded to Sarge |
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| 00:43.42 | dabreegster | Azar: what went wrong? It works fine for me and I'm using Sarge, though I didn't upgrade to it. |
| 00:43.44 | Azar | I used to use marillat back when I was nosing with sid |
| 00:44.05 | Azar | dabreegster, I do not know , I did ofcourse changed the pin from "stable" to "sarge" |
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| 00:44.08 | gary | Has anyone here had any problems with firefox. Since i done an apt-get dist-upgrade, it upgraded to 1.0.3, and i then manually upgraded to 1.0.4. But it crashes a lot, especially when i try to download something and randomly every 10 minutes or so. Any one experienced this? |
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| 00:45.07 | rob_supper | Azar, marillat works great for me too, using a testing machine. |
| 00:45.18 | jason_ | gary, no problems here. you're using sarge? |
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| 00:45.27 | mrcheeks | gary:i suggest you stick to apt-get |
| 00:45.41 | Azar | rob_supper maybe the source link is broken, could you kindly show it to me again? |
| 00:45.52 | alan | hello |
| 00:46.34 | death666 | yo |
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| 00:46.44 | gary | mrcheeks: yea, i just downloaded it to a different directly to see if it was a problem with 1.0.3 |
| 00:46.51 | gary | jason_: to be honest i'm not sure if it is sarge |
| 00:46.53 | rob_supper | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 00:47.01 | rob_supper | Azar, ^^^ |
| 00:47.08 | jason_ | gary, are you using testing or unstable? |
| 00:47.32 | death666 | im downloading sarge, but there are 14 cds, i just want X and multimedia stuff which ones should i get? |
| 00:47.39 | atrus | trying to configure printers in cups, log says: "Unable to open /etc/cups/passwd.md5 - No such file or directory" |
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| 00:47.56 | gary | im using this kernel: 2.6.10-1-k7 |
| 00:47.59 | Azar | rob_supper mine had / sarge main non-free contrib |
| 00:48.13 | gary | jason_: unstable |
| 00:48.15 | death666 | df |
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| 00:48.26 | jason_ | gary, ok- well unstable is supposed to be unstable |
| 00:48.36 | jason_ | you should use testing if you want a more stable system |
| 00:49.10 | jason_ | when you say you upgraded manually- did you download the official mozilla build or use the 1.0.4 debian package? |
| 00:49.21 | rob_supper | Azar, I got that from apt-get.org |
| 00:49.36 | mne | hi everyone ;) some hours ago i tried to install debian woody netinstall on an IBM netfinity 5500 M20 server. Unfortunately it crashed during the "scanning cd" installation phase. does anyone have experience with debian installation on netfinity servers ? |
| 00:49.46 | gary | jason_: just downloaded the source, but i still have the original 1.03 on my system which was installed using apt-get |
| 00:50.04 | gary | jason_: if i change my sources to testing and do apt-get update, how can i make my system change to a testing based system |
| 00:50.15 | jason_ | gary, why not do apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 00:50.18 | jason_ | it'll get 1.0.4 for you |
| 00:50.24 | gary | will it? |
| 00:50.26 | gary | hmm |
| 00:50.36 | gary | I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade and it got the 1.03 version |
| 00:50.40 | jason_ | i've had problems with the official builds before |
| 00:50.46 | jason_ | when was that? |
| 00:50.54 | gary | It says it is the newest version |
| 00:50.54 | jason_ | 1.0.4 came out two days ago and it was on unstable yesterday |
| 00:50.55 | gary | last night |
| 00:51.05 | nn | no ideas? |
| 00:51.08 | gary | hmm |
| 00:51.16 | Jewbuntu | hello |
| 00:51.23 | Jewbuntu | do i really need 14 sarge cds? |
| 00:51.24 | jason_ | wait- 1.0.4 was released two days ago and it was available today i think |
| 00:51.26 | nn | this room is quite... helpful |
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| 00:51.41 | jason_ | Jewbuntu, no- just download the netinstall cd or get the first one or two cds |
| 00:51.51 | jason_ | you can do the rest from the ftp servers |
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| 00:52.12 | Jewbuntu | ok is there an index of whats on the cds |
| 00:52.14 | jason_ | gary, i upgraded firefox 1.0.4 this morning. it's available now |
| 00:52.16 | Jewbuntu | ? |
| 00:52.21 | mrcheeks | Jewbuntu: apt-get is your friend :-). the first cd is enough |
| 00:52.21 | gary | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.25 | gary | i'll have a look around |
| 00:52.28 | gary | thanks for your help |
| 00:52.42 | jason_ | gary, i would stick with the debian packages v. the mozilla builds |
| 00:52.51 | Azar | marillat is not working: Unable to fetch file, server said "Can't open /debian-marillat/dists/sarge ...W: Coudn't stat source package list ftp:/ftp.nerim.net sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386-Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 00:52.53 | jason_ | i couldn't even install a bunch of mozilla builds as i was getting seg faults! |
| 00:52.55 | Jewbuntu | i dont always want to bust over my computer to this broadband place |
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| 00:53.07 | jason_ | Azar, because that's incorrect |
| 00:53.15 | mrcheeks | Azar: use a marillat mirror |
| 00:53.18 | genix_ | how can I rename the extension in a set off files with one command. ex all .htm to .php? |
| 00:53.34 | dabreegster | genix_: mv *.htm *.php might work |
| 00:53.40 | jason_ | deb ftp://nerim.net/debian-marrillat/ testing main |
| 00:53.41 | mne | Azar, did you apt-get update before ? |
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| 00:53.48 | jason_ | Azar, that's the line you want |
| 00:53.59 | jason_ | then do apt-get update |
| 00:54.01 | nse | rob_supper: that line you gave me: mencoder input.mpg -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4 -vf scale=640:480 -o output.avi - what will it do? |
| 00:54.06 | dabreegster | genix_: nevermind, that doesn't. #bash might know |
| 00:54.18 | Crono | what is the name of the .conf file that you can edit to laod diffrent linux kernels? |
| 00:54.23 | Azar | ok thanks :) I changed sarge to "testing" |
| 00:54.25 | Jewbuntu | is there an index of debian cds? |
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| 00:54.38 | genix_ | dabreegster: ok |
| 00:54.40 | Azar | hmm same error |
| 00:54.44 | jason_ | Jewbuntu, the netinstall iso is only 100 MB or so. it does a base install and allows you to do the rest off the ftp mirrors with aptitude |
| 00:54.45 | Azar | is not finding it |
| 00:54.48 | mrcheeks | Azar: deb http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian-marillat testing main |
| 00:54.53 | dabreegster | Crono: You mean a bootloader like grub or lilo? |
| 00:55.00 | Crono | lilo |
| 00:55.02 | Crono | thank you |
| 00:55.05 | jason_ | or if you're dumb like me- apt-get install kde gnome x-window-system and then finish with synaptic |
| 00:55.06 | atrus | yay working printer! |
| 00:55.09 | Crono | i knew it was an l word |
| 00:55.14 | benjamindees | Jewbuntu, which packages are on which cd you mean? |
| 00:55.25 | Jewbuntu | i know what a netinstall does, what it is, i -- nevermind |
| 00:55.39 | Azar | I am on Sarge, with kernel 2.6.8, if that makes a difference |
| 00:55.56 | jason_ | Azar, paste the line you used |
| 00:56.36 | Azar | right now I have : deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 00:57.07 | Azar | I will try using mrcheeks' line |
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| 00:57.14 | Xinux | Jewbuntu: Are you a jew? |
| 00:57.17 | Xinux | err |
| 00:57.18 | Xinux | he left |
| 00:57.41 | Xinux | what is the apt-get install command for Kaffeine? |
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| 00:58.00 | Xinux | what is the apt-get install command for Kaffeine? |
| 00:58.01 | dabreegster | Xinux: Go ahead and talk to yourself, here is one of the few places that is not frowned upon. |
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| 00:58.16 | dabreegster | Xinux: apt-get install kaffeine? |
| 00:58.30 | Xinux | most likely that wont work |
| 00:58.37 | Xinux | but i guess ill give it a shot |
| 00:59.07 | jason_ | Xinux, you might also want kaffeine-mozilla for integration with mozilla & firefox |
| 00:59.12 | dabreegster | Xinux: if it's the right name for the package, it will, presuming you're root and have correct apt sources |
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| 00:59.42 | Blain | Howdy folks. I'm having trouble with my apt-get setup. Running Sid via Knoppix, and it seems to be choking on a package. I had this happen before and some kind soul walked me through three different approaches till we got to one that works. If anybody here knows any of those methods, I'd appreciate a reminder. |
| 00:59.48 | raf256 | how should I install gcc 4.0.0 in my debian (to /home/programmer/*/ )? |
| 00:59.49 | Azar | sigh it will refuse to work with that deb http link as well |
| 00:59.56 | Azar | Sarge does not like marillat |
| 01:00.03 | Xinux | dabreegster: E: Couldn't find package Kaffeine |
| 01:00.16 | Gil_ | Xinux: little "k" |
| 01:00.23 | Xinux | caps matter? |
| 01:00.30 | Blain | caps way matter. |
| 01:00.32 | Gil_ | Xinux: yes |
| 01:00.33 | dabreegster | Xinux: dunno, see if it gives another installation candidate |
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| 01:00.40 | Xinux | it did |
| 01:00.41 | Xinux | lol |
| 01:00.46 | jason_ | Xinux, apt-get install kaffeine (not Kaffeine) |
| 01:00.46 | Xinux | the little "k" worked |
| 01:01.19 | Blain | Are there any relatively official packages with upper case characters in their names? |
| 01:01.25 | Gil_ | Blain: nope |
| 01:01.26 | jason_ | Xinux, you can also use synaptic - a GUI package manager to search and install packages |
| 01:01.31 | jason_ | Xinux, it's very nice |
| 01:01.32 | Xinux | nah |
| 01:01.34 | Xinux | i love command |
| 01:01.34 | dabreegster | Xinux: package names almost never have uppercase characters. Never, I think. |
| 01:01.40 | jason_ | or aptitude |
| 01:01.47 | Blain | Gil -- thanks. |
| 01:01.50 | Xinux | jason_: I like using Konsole |
| 01:01.50 | jason_ | which is a command line tool but allows you to search |
| 01:02.09 | jason_ | and see packages in categories |
| 01:02.56 | petemc | jason_: find, locate, apt-cache |
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| 01:04.34 | Azar | hmm checking debian-marillat all links seem to be for woody, none for sarge |
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| 01:05.50 | madclicker | Azar: did you hear anyting about rp-pppoe and DEbian? |
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| 01:05.52 | petemc | Azar: im pretty sure it has |
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| 01:06.23 | Azar | madclicker I have no idea what is that |
| 01:06.57 | madclicker | Azar: it's a pppoe connection software |
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| 01:08.44 | Ry12 | what command is it to reconfigure network |
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| 01:09.04 | petemc | vim /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:09.49 | Ry12 | what do i add to it for dhcpd |
| 01:10.18 | petemc | man 5 interfaces |
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| 01:11.43 | madclicker | Azar: apparentley pppoe driver for linux is written by roaring penguin. Debian maintainers were claiming that it has a vulnerability. Turned out to be a hox |
| 01:11.45 | madclicker | hoax |
| 01:11.47 | Azar | ok I got the source link from here, it still does not work http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian-marillat/ W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.las.ic.unicamp.br testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.las.ic.unicamp.br_pub_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) -stat (2 No such file or driectory) |
| 01:12.14 | Azar | madclicker as far as I know I am not using ppoe |
| 01:12.30 | Azar | pppoe* |
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| 01:13.18 | petemc | Azar: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 01:14.41 | dabreegster | or !tell azar about marillat |
| 01:14.46 | madclicker | Azar: you lucky 'cause you aren't, I went from a bridged socket to pppoe and now I am f@ke* |
| 01:15.39 | Azar | as far as I remember I have asked my ISP to block pppoe for me |
| 01:15.45 | daxxar | Hm. Can I use tail -f foo > bar & tail -f baz > bar & tail -f bar; to watch two logs? |
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| 01:16.16 | dabreegster | daxxar: I think so, I've done something similar before |
| 01:16.19 | petemc | daxxar: tail -f /bar/log/syslog /var/log/auth.log... |ccze |
| 01:16.44 | petemc | you can tail as many as you like |
| 01:16.50 | Azar | petemc, from that dpkg link : deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main does not work |
| 01:16.50 | daxxar | Thanks petemc :) |
| 01:16.52 | daxxar | Ah, ok. :) |
| 01:17.09 | petemc | ccze is nice too |
| 01:17.15 | Azar | Add in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:17.15 | Azar | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 01:17.15 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:17.41 | petemc | Azar: Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main Release |
| 01:17.47 | Azar | marillat used to work for me either while on woody or when I jumped to unstable |
| 01:17.52 | petemc | Azar: you're doing something wrong |
| 01:17.54 | Azar | not on sarge though |
| 01:17.59 | petemc | wrong |
| 01:18.04 | atrus | has anyone here gone through the "align printer margins" section of http://www.linuxprinting.org/cups-doc.html ? i'm really lost as far as where i'm supposed to get the values the calibration page talks about |
| 01:18.12 | Azar | petemc all other sources links work, I have four |
| 01:18.20 | atrus | as well as what i'm supposed to do with said values |
| 01:18.22 | Azar | the only one that refuses to work is marillat |
| 01:18.34 | petemc | again, you're probably doing something wrong |
| 01:18.41 | madclicker | Azar: covad seem to offer DSL |
| 01:18.46 | petemc | its slow, but it works |
| 01:18.51 | Azar | madclicker I am on Covad |
| 01:19.12 | Azar | adsl dedicated lines |
| 01:19.14 | madclicker | Azar: are you on DSL or T1? |
| 01:19.40 | daxxar | petemc, ccze was sweet. :) |
| 01:19.45 | daxxar | how does ccze guess log format? |
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| 01:20.01 | petemc | apt-get source ccze :) |
| 01:20.02 | madclicker | Azar: you got a bridged connection than |
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| 01:20.29 | Blain | Well, folks, I did manage to get the bad package that was part-way installed removed, and now my upgrade is running smoothly. |
| 01:20.32 | Azar | madclicker it seems that marillat server is refusing my access |
| 01:20.37 | jason_ | why can't i start an X app in a terminal as root? |
| 01:20.38 | Azar | I have no other explanation |
| 01:20.46 | jason_ | it says it can't connect to the X server |
| 01:21.07 | petemc | Azar: put this in a browser ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/ |
| 01:21.07 | Azar | ok |
| 01:21.07 | atrus | "The wedge shaped rules may be used to define these values ver accurately as its intersections are in 1/72 inches. Take the value at the cutoff point from the scale to the next clockwise edge." Wow. so confused. |
| 01:21.14 | daxxar | thanks a lot petemc :) |
| 01:21.19 | petemc | np |
| 01:21.29 | Ry12 | how do i mount devfs? |
| 01:22.13 | Azar | yep that works petemc |
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| 01:23.54 | Flimzy | Is the XFree86 fbdev + vesafb-tng frame buffer driver likely to be any faster than XFree86's 'vesa' driver? |
| 01:24.03 | Flimzy | Or is that going to be a per-card issue? |
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| 01:24.29 | Ry12 | does kernel 2.6.10 use udev or devfs? |
| 01:24.31 | nse | dvd players usually can read divx files? |
| 01:24.40 | benjamindees | Flimzy, per-card I would imagine, regardless |
| 01:24.40 | Flimzy | nse: Rarely |
| 01:25.07 | kingsley_ | Is my understanding correct that I should use NAT to put my son's XP box on the net through mine? |
| 01:25.44 | Flimzy | benjamindees: Well, I just thought if XFree's fbdev was very slow, then the vesa driver may usually be faster. Or vice versa. |
| 01:26.24 | nse | Flimzy: So I'll have to encode my video under MPEG4 ? |
| 01:26.25 | benjamindees | kingsley_, yes that's correct |
| 01:26.39 | Flimzy | nse: For a DVD player, MPEG2 |
| 01:27.05 | Flimzy | nse: And AC3 audio, in the U.S. |
| 01:27.18 | Flimzy | nse: AC3 or MP2 in most other places. |
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| 01:27.53 | Ry12 | mp |
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| 01:28.51 | Flimzy | Ry12: udev |
| 01:28.53 | nse | Flimzy: That's exactly my problem: I have a .mpg video file with 795 MB, I must copy it to a CD so I'll need to resize it, mencoder will do it for me? |
| 01:28.54 | Xinux | debian ownz! |
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| 01:29.18 | Flimzy | nse: I don't know if mencoder will. transcode does (and is generally far better than mencoder for transcoding video) |
| 01:29.26 | Flimzy | nse: I use transcode for all of that type of stuff |
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| 01:29.42 | Flimzy | nse: If you're copying it to a CD, you can probably use any format you want. |
| 01:29.58 | Flimzy | nse: Unless your DVD player supports playing DVD filesystems burned to CD. (one of mine does) |
| 01:30.18 | Flimzy | nse: If your DVD player supports that, it _may_ support other codecs, too (such as DivX, etc). Check your DVD player manual to find out. |
| 01:30.30 | jasoncohen | how do i change the path? |
| 01:30.30 | digibox | hello. does anyone know if there is anything available to use cups to print to a jpg, gif, or something of that sort? |
| 01:30.36 | jasoncohen | i need /usr/lib/qt3/bin in $PATH |
| 01:30.39 | Flimzy | nse: Of course, it would only play on your DVD player (or others with similar specs), and not on most DVD players in general |
| 01:30.57 | Flimzy | digibox: If CUPS is half as smart as lpr (and from what I've heard, it's like 5x smarter), just print it |
| 01:30.59 | Ry12 | what does mounting devfs/udev do? |
| 01:31.12 | Flimzy | digibox: in lpr you'd use "lpr foo.jpg" |
| 01:31.17 | Flimzy | digibox: In cups, probably the same, I dunno. |
| 01:31.23 | nse | Flimzy: Is transcode Debian packaged? If not, where i can find a repository for it? Does transcode has a GUI ? |
| 01:31.27 | digibox | thanks |
| 01:31.29 | Flimzy | nse: yeah. |
| 01:31.37 | jasoncohen | isn't the path set in .bashrc? |
| 01:31.44 | Flimzy | nse: There are some GUI Frontends |
| 01:31.59 | Flimzy | nse: DVD::Rip is a good one, but it's taylored for ripping DVDs. It's not usable for general transcoding. |
| 01:32.47 | EvilSporkMan | Flimzy: still no dvdshrink alternative, right? |
| 01:33.05 | Flimzy | EvilSporkMan: DVD::Rip does basically that |
| 01:33.09 | jasoncohen | no one knows how to set the path? |
| 01:33.27 | EvilSporkMan | Flimzy: yeah, but i wanted to go to single-layer DVD with menus and all that good stuff, not a CD |
| 01:33.43 | Flimzy | EvilSporkMan: Transcode will do the shrinking part. |
| 01:33.49 | Flimzy | Not sure of the best way to move menus |
| 01:33.50 | mrcheeks | jasoncohen:check you ~/.bash_profile |
| 01:34.18 | lef | hm, is setting up cd/dvd writing a bitch? I have never had to set this up but I just got a dvd-rw drive. Where do I start? (I have installed cdrecord) |
| 01:34.25 | Ry12 | what does mounting devfs/udev do? |
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| 01:34.52 | EvilSporkMan | what color is the stereo line-in on my sound card? there are 5 ports on the back of my computer and i'm worried some of them are mono so i don't want to guess and check |
| 01:34.55 | jasoncohen | mrcheeks, i have a .bashrc and .bash_history |
| 01:35.02 | jasoncohen | no .bash_profile |
| 01:35.15 | benjamindees | lef, cdrecord -scanbus |
| 01:35.22 | mrcheeks | jasoncohen:which shell are you using?? |
| 01:35.37 | mrcheeks | jasoncohen:edit the .bashrc |
| 01:36.07 | mrcheeks | PATH=$PATH:/usr/lib/qt3/bin |
| 01:36.08 | EvilSporkMan | er, never mind, it's blue...stupid tight virgin audio ports |
| 01:36.29 | mrcheeks | jasoncohen: export PATH after |
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| 01:37.12 | TwistedEmotions | What's up guys.. |
| 01:37.24 | jasoncohen | mrcheeks, export PATH after what? |
| 01:37.58 | muwu | Hi. I am going to ditch Ubuntu and try out either Sarge or Sid. So my question is: Sarge or Sid? Can I get about the same funtionality with either of them? |
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| 01:38.18 | bucky | !d-i muwu |
| 01:38.19 | dpkg | muwu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:38.30 | EvilSporkMan | is it terribly complicated to rip vinyls under linux? |
| 01:38.37 | Azar | muwu before playing with sid read the apt primer learn about package dependencies |
| 01:38.50 | jasoncohen | mrcheeks, thanks- that worked |
| 01:38.55 | benjamindees | muwu, if you have to ask, the answer is Sarge |
| 01:39.08 | muwu | dpkg, thanks. Ubuntu was promising at first (used for a month, my first permanent switch to Linux), but then KDE/GNOME croaked...though I prefer Icewm |
| 01:39.08 | dpkg | muwu: de nada |
| 01:39.33 | benjamindees | EvilSporkMan, there used to be a program that would let you scan them with a scanner |
| 01:40.18 | jasoncohen | mrcheeks, any idea how to specify the QTDIR? |
| 01:40.30 | EvilSporkMan | benjamindees: haha? |
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| 01:40.42 | muwu | but wow.. I learned quite a bit over one month.. glad that I made switch... but still, kinda annoying KDE/GNOME went @#$# |
| 01:41.31 | benjamindees | EvilSporkMan, http://coltrane.music.mcgill.ca/mapp/jazz/FQRSC4Description.htm |
| 01:42.17 | Azar | muwu read this: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 01:42.33 | thingfish | cool, Coltrane! |
| 01:42.52 | benjamindees | EvilSporkMan, uh, nevermind that isn't it :( |
| 01:42.53 | EvilSporkMan | benjamindees: that page doesn't appear to actually render |
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| 01:43.07 | lef | benjamindees, cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 01:43.29 | muwu | So I presume this will give BASE only? Is there quick HOWTO/WIKI on getting xorg + kde running with only using apt-get? (no source compiling) |
| 01:43.37 | EvilSporkMan | lef: recommend k3b |
| 01:43.49 | liable | EvilSporkMan: does for me |
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| 01:44.11 | EvilSporkMan | lef: it'll change the permissions for you on first run and then you can use whatever you want, but i recommend k3b if you have a niec system |
| 01:44.17 | benjamindees | EvilSporkMan, here it is http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,57769,00.html |
| 01:44.19 | EvilSporkMan | liable: using firefox/ |
| 01:44.27 | liable | EvilSporkMan: yep |
| 01:44.33 | Azar | muwu, with Debian you start in console, install yourself x-server, then XF86Config-4, upgrade the kernel, then download and install a desktop manager |
| 01:44.33 | lef | EvilSporkMan, so I have to install k3d |
| 01:44.39 | bucky | !xorg |
| 01:44.39 | dpkg | well, xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
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| 01:45.30 | benjamindees | lef, sounds like you need to insert the ide-scsi module |
| 01:45.40 | lef | benjamindees, I think so |
| 01:45.53 | muwu | Azar, upgrade kernel as in compile it out of source? I had a lot of practice with CLI apt-get, but synaptic would be nice.. oh well... |
| 01:45.55 | benjamindees | lef, modprobe ide-scsi |
| 01:45.55 | lef | benjamindees, any pointers on how to do that? |
| 01:46.33 | Azar | muwu as of now Sarge uses kernel 2.6.8 as the highest |
| 01:46.46 | lef | benjamindees, running modprobe exits silently |
| 01:47.01 | EvilSporkMan | lef: exiting silently on linux means success. commands won't bother you if they worked |
| 01:47.09 | Azar | muwu it is precompiled you use apt-get install or aptitude install to upgrade the kernel |
| 01:47.11 | muwu | Azar, ic.. running 2.6.10-5 right now on ubuntu |
| 01:47.13 | benjamindees | lef, now try cdrecord -scanbus again |
| 01:47.17 | nse | Flimzy: so what I can take for general trascoding? |
| 01:47.18 | lef | EvilSporkMan, so the module is in place |
| 01:47.27 | EvilSporkMan | lef: yep |
| 01:47.31 | Flimzy | nse: I use the transcode commandline |
| 01:47.59 | Azar | muwu after you learn a bit about debian packages, you can go unstable later and get a higher kernel |
| 01:48.32 | lef | cdrecord: Warning: Linux-2.6.8 introduced incompatible interface changes. cdrecord: Warning: SCSI transport does no longer work for suid root programs cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. |
| 01:48.35 | TwistedEmotions | Everytime Azureus tried to update it fails... anyone know why? |
| 01:48.40 | muwu | Azar, just read the Sid FAQ... and that did scare me.. :) |
| 01:48.43 | EvilSporkMan | lef: it's permissions |
| 01:49.00 | lef | EvilSporkMan, I have su'ed to root to run this |
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| 01:49.12 | EvilSporkMan | benjamindees: so you're saying it's not so simple as "plug turntable into line in, record, separate tracks, burn"? |
| 01:49.18 | Azar | muwu with sid the only bad thing is that you can broke package dependencies without knowing it |
| 01:49.50 | Azar | muwu with sarge at least you stay in the safe limits for a beginner |
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| 01:50.06 | benjamindees | EvilSporkMan, it's about that simple, you'd want to add something to process out the scratches though |
| 01:50.39 | muwu | Azar, ic... I guess I will try out Sarge for a month or two... then Sid~! |
| 01:50.43 | lef | ugh |
| 01:51.02 | EvilSporkMan | benjamindees: is ardour overkill for this? there doesn't seem to be a Handy Guide for linux |
| 01:51.04 | benjamindees | EvilSporkMan, actually for some reason I thought that scanning software was usable; apparently not |
| 01:51.06 | Azar | muwu read the link I gave you: apt primer is one of the most important things you can learn now |
| 01:51.46 | muwu | Azar, I will... thanks... |
| 01:52.34 | benjamindees | EvilSporkMan, *shrug*, heh it does look a bit complicated though :) |
| 01:52.34 | muwu | Honestly, apt-get is really amazing.. I just type apt-get install zxvzxc asfsdf, boom, I have a program installed... (though often what ends up happening is, I end up installing more stuff...extra stuff I don't need just to fulfill dependencies). |
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| 01:52.55 | EvilSporkMan | muwu: if it's a dependency, you need it ;) |
| 01:53.10 | thingfish | muwu: apt is truly nice. |
| 01:53.38 | benjamindees | except fam; why it's a dependency of anything, I have no idea :s |
| 01:53.54 | muwu | EvilSporkman, it gets especially ugly if I am trying to compile something... to compile 1 meg program, I had to instll 35mb KDE-dev and more dev stuff |
| 01:53.56 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:54.01 | lef | is there a doc or a guide for CD/DVD burning on debian? |
| 01:54.02 | Nigel | what depends on fam? |
| 01:54.13 | benjamindees | gnome-desktop-somethingoranother |
| 01:54.18 | Flimzy | lef: Those are very VERY different matters. |
| 01:54.22 | EvilSporkMan | muwu: that's what happens if you're compiling for KDE |
| 01:54.26 | Flimzy | lef: And yes, there are many guides for them. |
| 01:54.32 | Flimzy | lef: Google would be a good place to start. |
| 01:54.33 | EvilSporkMan | muwu: craploads of libraries. what are you compiling, anyway? |
| 01:54.33 | lef | Flimzy, any debian specific? |
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| 01:54.48 | lef | Flimzy, yes I am googling as we speak, thought I'd sk in here too :) |
| 01:54.48 | Xinux | yay |
| 01:54.51 | Xinux | now it just restarted everything |
| 01:54.54 | Flimzy | lef: Not that I'm aware of. There's not really anything Debian-specific about CD or DVD burning. |
| 01:54.59 | Xinux | including upgrades of 255 programs |
| 01:55.01 | YoMax | k3b is very easy for burning |
| 01:55.14 | Flimzy | lef: Aside from installing the specific packages. apt-get install <package name> |
| 01:55.17 | lef | benjamindees, fam as in file access monitor? |
| 01:55.30 | benjamindees | lef, yes, it's my nemesis |
| 01:55.46 | muwu | EvilSporkMan, so far, I have compiled GAIM, GAIM SSL plugin, bluexmms, mplayer with win32, a bunch of time managing programs, Bitorrent the latest, etc |
| 01:55.55 | lef | most desktop apps use fam to check for changes in the file system so that they can "display" them |
| 01:56.14 | EvilSporkMan | muwu: gaim has an up-to-date package, mplayer and win32 are packaged by marillat, bittorrent is already there |
| 01:56.16 | lef | benjamindees, why is it your nemessis? |
| 01:56.23 | benjamindees | except, kde apps just use fam to help them crash :( |
| 01:56.28 | muwu | EvilSporkMan, ic.. |
| 01:56.33 | concept10 | is there a way to check with /dev/proc if my p4 is a hyper threading p4? |
| 01:56.47 | EvilSporkMan | concept10: you mean /proc? cat /proc/cpuinfo might shed some light |
| 01:56.55 | muwu | How is plug&pray for sarge for flash media cards? does it work well? |
| 01:57.12 | EvilSporkMan | muwu: flash media? |
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| 01:57.20 | SantaOne | hi |
| 01:57.27 | muwu | EvilSprokMan, like sd card, mmc, usb drives |
| 01:57.28 | SantaOne | I just did apt-get install horde3 |
| 01:57.33 | concept10 | EvilSporkMan: Whoops... Thanks, what should I look for should have been the question? |
| 01:57.36 | Wyzard | muwu: "Plug & Pray" is a phrase that refers to the old ISA PnP standard. Other stuff that's "plug-and-play", like PCI and USB devices, work fine. |
| 01:57.36 | SantaOne | how can I connect horde now? |
| 01:57.38 | EvilSporkMan | muwu: like camera memory cards or USB drives? they're two different beasts |
| 01:58.01 | Azar | EvilSporkMan: I saw some modules while compiling XF86Config mentioning flash media but I am not using one so... |
| 01:58.09 | muwu | EvilSporkMan, mainly camera memory cards |
| 01:58.11 | Wyzard | muwu: Some multifunction card readers don't work |
| 01:58.12 | EvilSporkMan | concept10: no idea. see if uname -r mentions smp |
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| 01:58.28 | Wyzard | muwu: It's not the memory card that Linux needs to support, it's the reader |
| 01:58.30 | concept10 | No, I dont have the smp kernel installed |
| 01:58.30 | muwu | Wyzard ic.. |
| 01:58.44 | EvilSporkMan | muwu: i have a USB card reader that works exactly like a USB drive, which works well |
| 01:58.54 | Wyzard | muwu: I just download pictures from my camera directly |
| 01:59.05 | muwu | I guess it will be hard with 5-in-1 memory readers |
| 01:59.12 | EvilSporkMan | concept10: i was guessing that the installer would install an SMP kernel for you if it was hyperthreading |
| 01:59.18 | benjamindees | lef, sounds like maybe you should remove the ide-cd module before inserting ide-scsi |
| 01:59.19 | Wyzard | EvilSporkMan: Is it a multi-format card reader? (i.e. SmartMedia + CompactFlash + SecureDigital + etc.) |
| 01:59.32 | EvilSporkMan | muwu: I have one...they show up as 5 different USB drives and you get to guess which one is which type of card |
| 01:59.36 | concept10 | EvilSporkMan: yeah, thats what I thought from your comment |
| 01:59.37 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:59.39 | Wyzard | I'd wondered about that |
| 02:00.04 | Wyzard | EvilSporkMan: But if you use something like gnome-volume-manager, you don't need to guess, because whichever ones contain cards would automatically be mounted |
| 02:00.11 | concept10 | EvilSporkMan: flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr |
| 02:00.21 | concept10 | see the ht in there? |
| 02:00.52 | EvilSporkMan | Wyzard: yes, but gnome-volume-manager has the word gnome in it ;) |
| 02:01.03 | Wyzard | Actually, I wonder how gnome-volume-manager handles the case where plugging in the USB device is separate from having mountable media available... I've only used flash drives, where the USB device *is* the media |
| 02:01.07 | EvilSporkMan | Wyzard: I'm on AMD64, so I'm steering as far from GNOME/KDE as possible |
| 02:01.20 | EvilSporkMan | Wyzard: it'd try to mount them all, i presume |
| 02:01.26 | EvilSporkMan | concept10: yep, not blind ;) |
| 02:01.26 | Wyzard | EvilSporkMan: What does AMD64 have to do with avoiding GNOME? |
| 02:01.30 | Flimzy | Wow. I just got a spam with a "PGP signature" |
| 02:01.36 | EvilSporkMan | Wyzard: it's a bit unstable, I think? |
| 02:01.37 | concept10 | ;) |
| 02:01.39 | Flimzy | It looks obviously fake... but amusing nonetheless |
| 02:01.41 | EvilSporkMan | Wyzard: I also hate GNOME |
| 02:01.45 | EvilSporkMan | Wyzard: and KDE |
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| 02:02.10 | Azar | I liked Openbox3 back when I was on desktop |
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| 02:02.41 | Qbert | hola |
| 02:02.51 | lef | benjamindees, thank you I will try that :-) |
| 02:03.35 | Qbert | what is the most pain free install iso of debian? |
| 02:03.43 | lef | cdwriting in gnu/linux has plenty of gory details it seems |
| 02:03.56 | EvilSporkMan | Qbert: probably Ubuntu, at least during install...after is a different story =P |
| 02:04.08 | EvilSporkMan | lef: only if you choose to mess with them. recommend k3b... |
| 02:04.22 | lef | Qbert, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for netinst |
| 02:04.23 | EvilSporkMan | lef: gnomebaker might do it for you too...doesn't require you to run GNOME |
| 02:04.46 | EvilSporkMan | lef: oh, and my cd drives didn't work quite right on 2.6.8 - ripped funny with cdparanoia. YMMV |
| 02:04.52 | lef | EvilSporkMan, but the problem seems to be low-lever as all these are usually fron-ends for cdrecord (which doesn't work) |
| 02:05.08 | EvilSporkMan | lef: k3b sets up cdrecord on first run |
| 02:05.21 | lef | EvilSporkMan, I did run k3b |
| 02:05.26 | Qbert | lef: i think thats exactly the one i was looking for |
| 02:05.26 | Qbert | lef: thanks |
| 02:05.36 | EvilSporkMan | lef: hrmm... |
| 02:05.38 | lef | EvilSporkMan, erm...I installed k3d, LOL |
| 02:05.39 | benjamindees | lef, the problem is normally one of adding hardware after the initial install; I don't believe Debian has any provision for that other than doing it manually |
| 02:05.49 | EvilSporkMan | lef: wtf is k3d? |
| 02:05.57 | lef | EvilSporkMan, lol, I dunno |
| 02:06.09 | lef | EvilSporkMan, some funny little kde tool |
| 02:06.19 | EvilSporkMan | 3D modelling and animation |
| 02:06.36 | muwu | Hmm... trying to backup my home directory...but wtf.. 120 gig byte worth of stuff, but the entire partition is only 20 gig.. |
| 02:06.37 | lef | EvilSporkMan, trying to get k3b now... |
| 02:07.07 | EvilSporkMan | muwu: maybe you have things mounted under /home |
| 02:07.08 | lef | EvilSporkMan, fingers crossed, I have plenty of work here , last thing I want is to spend the night configuring cd writing :-) |
| 02:07.32 | Xinux | thelandofsiam: ARRR IM A SOFTWARE PIRATE |
| 02:07.33 | Xinux | WormyWyrm: Gimmie yer booty and new versions of half life |
| 02:07.33 | Xinux | thelandofsiam: Yarrr |
| 02:07.41 | muwu | EvilSporkMan, hmm.... good idea.. will check. (BTW, removing Qemu directory freed 100 gig.. so 20 gig to go) |
| 02:07.46 | Azar | muwu that is why I prefer to do a basic install from a CD rather than a netinstall |
| 02:07.48 | quitte | JoshH: are you maybe the one that made the kdrive debs? |
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| 02:07.55 | Xinux | <jsCLASS> lets talk about my johnson |
| 02:07.55 | Xinux | <Mercster> small talk, eh? |
| 02:07.55 | Xinux | <jsCLASS> fuck |
| 02:07.55 | Xinux | <jsCLASS> owned |
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| 02:08.23 | lef | benjamindees, to be honest I had the DVD-RW drive plugged in when I was installing debian, I just never configured it 'till now (that I actually need it) |
| 02:08.24 | Azar | yep this is not a chat room |
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| 02:08.50 | Wyzard | Found the Zip drive, now to find the disks... |
| 02:09.41 | EvilSporkMan | i hate dicking around with the kernel :( |
| 02:09.58 | bucky | Xinux are you using mepis ? |
| 02:10.16 | EvilSporkMan | nvidia + alsa + amd64 + having a kernel you compiled yourself = headache |
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| 02:11.24 | lef | EvilSporkMan, lol |
| 02:11.33 | Xinux | bucky: yes why. |
| 02:11.46 | bucky | Xinux, you're in the wrong channel |
| 02:11.46 | Xinux | bucky: you one of those Mepis haters? |
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| 02:11.52 | Xinux | bucky: not really |
| 02:11.59 | bucky | Xinux, yes really |
| 02:12.00 | Xinux | bucky: mepis is debian based |
| 02:12.06 | Guerin | !debian based |
| 02:12.06 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 02:12.21 | yarddog | bucky, ltns |
| 02:12.21 | Xinux | i just like to be in here |
| 02:12.22 | Xinux | okay? |
| 02:12.24 | Xinux | jeeze |
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| 02:12.38 | Xinux | occasionally I ask questions about "debian made" products |
| 02:12.40 | Guerin | Xinux: a volkswagen is porsche-based, but you don't take your beetle into the porsche workshop for maintenance, do you/ |
| 02:12.50 | Xinux | my god |
| 02:12.52 | Xinux | stfu |
| 02:12.54 | bucky | Xinux, you always flood... you don't contribute anything.. why are you here? |
| 02:13.02 | lef | !d-i |
| 02:13.02 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 02:13.06 | dead^ | Hi, all. I'm having problems to install programs without apt-get or Synaptic. I downloaded DGuitar (Guitar Tablature Editor) .zip file and readme said that i could install wherever i like and also it tells me to open .jar file, but nothing still happens. I should have Java installed, but I'm not sure am I doing it right :/ |
| 02:13.06 | Xinux | becuz I like being here |
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| 02:13.27 | bucky | Xinux, join mepis |
| 02:13.27 | Azar | one thing I learned the hard way when dealing with video/sound drivers: prepare before: 1. dist-upgrade with the highest distro possible (testing or sid) , make sure you get the highest gcc version. 2. upgrade the kernel. 3. install xserver and XF86Config-4 .. then fiddle with video / sound drivers. |
| 02:13.33 | Guerin | dead^: do you or do you not have java installed? |
| 02:13.37 | Xinux | bucky: I am in #mepis. |
| 02:13.47 | bucky | Xinux, part #debian |
| 02:13.49 | dead^ | Guerin yes I do |
| 02:13.54 | Xinux | bucky: why? |
| 02:13.57 | bucky | Xinux, you always flood... you don't contribute anything.. why are you here? |
| 02:14.10 | Xinux | bucky: why are you bashing me? |
| 02:14.15 | Azar | Xinux you are being disruptive, nobody cares about your pasted logs |
| 02:14.24 | bucky | exactly |
| 02:14.37 | Guerin | Azar: that's so full of shit. |
| 02:14.47 | Guerin | about getting sound working, i mean |
| 02:14.53 | Xinux | "pasted logs" |
| 02:15.00 | Xinux | actually those are quotes |
| 02:15.03 | Xinux | from bash.org |
| 02:15.08 | Guerin | you almost never need to upgrade the kernel, and x has exactly nothing to do with sound |
| 02:15.17 | dead^ | Guerin, is it normal that applications run on Java. I have never seen or even of that on Windows |
| 02:15.18 | Guerin | !wgaf Xinux |
| 02:15.22 | shingouz | Xinux: We all have browsers we can use to access bash.org |
| 02:15.24 | bucky | Xinux, who cares.. that's off topic and you're in the wrong channel |
| 02:15.31 | Guerin | dead^: java is evil and stupid; don't use it. |
| 02:15.34 | Azar | Guerin, I was storming sid last year and kept downloading and installing packages related to video/sound that borked the entire system |
| 02:15.35 | Xinux | have I been asking questions? |
| 02:15.39 | Xinux | whats wrong with being in here? |
| 02:15.49 | Guerin | Azar: funny; always worked fine for me. |
| 02:16.03 | dead^ | Guerin, but seems that i have no other choice if I want that program |
| 02:16.04 | Azar | Guerin now I backed off way down to woody console mode and making my way up slowly as I learn the right way |
| 02:16.16 | *** part/#debian Nigel (nigel@nigel.user) |
| 02:16.34 | shingouz | Nice quit message |
| 02:16.53 | lef | guys, please give Xinux a second chance |
| 02:17.04 | Azar | Xinux who? |
| 02:17.09 | Xinux | wat about the other about 600 people in here who just sit in here |
| 02:17.11 | Xinux | huh? |
| 02:17.35 | shingouz | Xinux: Sitting and sitting and pasting are two different things |
| 02:18.08 | Azar | shingouz, I guess Xinux just dissapeared off my screen, so I guess he left |
| 02:18.30 | shingouz | Azar: There is something to be said about /ignore, that is true. |
| 02:18.35 | lef | perhaps he is young and he is trying to be "part" of this without knowing what's the best approach |
| 02:18.40 | Xinux | yes plz ignore me |
| 02:18.43 | Xinux | get on with your life |
| 02:18.55 | bucky | Xinux, upgrade to debian or leave |
| 02:19.02 | Azar | lef he could have gone to some sexchat servers or something like that, plenty around |
| 02:19.08 | Xinux | "upgrade" ? |
| 02:19.21 | lef | Azar, lol. Please let's not be so harsh with him |
| 02:19.27 | bucky | Xinux, yeah.. upgrade to linux |
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| 02:19.40 | yarddog | a _real_ os |
| 02:19.46 | shingouz | Xinux: What bucky means is that you /msg dpkg d-i and install Debian |
| 02:19.55 | lef | as a matter of fact, linux is a real kernel |
| 02:20.04 | bucky | he can't read |
| 02:20.11 | shingouz | Prolly not |
| 02:20.12 | Xinux | no i don't wanna read what you have to say |
| 02:20.14 | bucky | if he could he would have /topic |
| 02:20.39 | Xinux | i have a freedom to be in here, just not ask support questions for #mepis |
| 02:20.54 | xoz | what's a good compression command with encryption? |
| 02:21.02 | resiak | xoz: tar followed by gpg. |
| 02:21.10 | resiak | xoz: s/tar/gz/ |
| 02:21.23 | xoz | ok |
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| 02:21.42 | shingouz | Xinux: Please do not paste stuff here, not from bash.org or anywhere else for that matter. I do not care if you sit here and listen but do not interfere unless you have something real to contribute |
| 02:21.44 | bucky | Xinux, maybe you should start with not telling us what debian is or is not |
| 02:22.19 | Xinux | umm, bucky; did I tell you wat debian was? |
| 02:22.26 | Xinux | how about you quote me on that eh? |
| 02:22.37 | bucky | Xinux bucky: mepis is debian based |
| 02:22.43 | yarddog | what is debian? |
| 02:22.46 | Guerin | shut the fuck up, all of you |
| 02:22.57 | liable | yah for sunday |
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| 02:24.16 | bgravato | hi! not debian specific but... I need to bind "Shift+Ctrl+Alt+Space" to write a "P" (on X) any ideas on how I can do it? |
| 02:24.26 | bgravato | I've been looking at xmodmap, but I don't find a way to bind a Ctrl+something to a single letter |
| 02:24.57 | defkewl | I don't get what you're trying to do :D |
| 02:25.23 | stouset | bgravato: Out of curiosity...why do you need to be able to do this? |
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| 02:25.53 | bgravato | it has something to do with a remote control and mythtv |
| 02:26.14 | resiak | bgravato: xbindkeys ? |
| 02:26.14 | xoz | c |
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| 02:26.36 | bgravato | resiak: thanks, i'll take a look at that |
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| 02:26.51 | resiak | shingouz: Why would you think that? ;-) |
| 02:26.54 | sauk | hey all. no, not a bot. sitting in wisconsin on my powerbook doing econ on this wonderful saturday evening. need a favor though, need 100 poll responses by tomorrow on one question. its on my geocities site. http://www.geocities.com/awesome_48/econ.html thanks a bunch in advance. |
| 02:26.59 | sauk | once again, thanks a bunch |
| 02:27.05 | shingouz | resiak: Oh, just a random thought |
| 02:27.08 | sauk | saturday nights are better spent not doing econ. |
| 02:27.29 | stouset | ...you want us to do your homework for you? =P |
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| 02:27.47 | sauk | um... the homework was to do the poll. so i accomplished that much |
| 02:27.53 | stouset | And saying "I'm not a bot" isn't proof. Bots have been able to do that since the beginning ;) |
| 02:27.56 | sauk | but you can answer the question haha |
| 02:28.10 | shingouz | sauk: botsnack |
| 02:28.17 | stouset | Hell, it's still possible that you're Eliza. |
| 02:28.25 | sauk | botsnack? |
| 02:28.34 | shingouz | !botsnack |
| 02:28.34 | dpkg | shingouz: :) |
| 02:28.38 | Xinux | sauk: c4n j00 00nderstand 1337 twalk? |
| 02:28.48 | sauk | i know what that means, yea |
| 02:28.56 | stouset | Sounds like a bot to me. |
| 02:28.58 | Xinux | ya |
| 02:28.59 | Xinux | same |
| 02:28.59 | sauk | can you understand. i'm not dumb |
| 02:29.09 | yarddog | frickin h4x0r |
| 02:29.10 | Xinux | you? |
| 02:29.14 | sauk | no |
| 02:29.16 | lef | sauk: botsnack |
| 02:29.17 | resiak | sauk: listvals i |
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| 02:29.42 | gif | watsup jpeg |
| 02:29.44 | sauk | come on now. not a bot. have a .mac site. using colloquy as my IRC client |
| 02:29.48 | sauk | did the poll myself |
| 02:29.53 | sauk | using a g4 powerbook |
| 02:30.00 | sauk | it came out in february, 1.67 |
| 02:30.01 | gif | how is it going jpeg? |
| 02:30.07 | sauk | definitely not a boy. |
| 02:30.08 | sauk | bot. |
| 02:30.12 | sauk | lol |
| 02:30.15 | sauk | ya, i am a boy though |
| 02:30.24 | gif | sauk |
| 02:30.29 | intruz | sounds like a bot to me |
| 02:30.39 | gif | sauk name a debian program |
| 02:30.40 | lef | that is a typical bot rant |
| 02:30.51 | shingouz | Maybe we should make dpkg run the Turing on him? ;) |
| 02:30.56 | sauk | well thats frustrating. i actually don't know anything debian, just saw there were a lot of people in here. |
| 02:30.57 | lef | hah |
| 02:31.10 | gif | hmm i donno |
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| 02:31.43 | gif | anybody got confusing questions to ask him? |
| 02:31.45 | muwu | hmm.. k3b doesn't work anymore. Any suggestions for an okay DVD burning program? |
| 02:31.56 | resiak | !+search sauk |
| 02:32.08 | gif | some bot is gay in this room |
| 02:32.12 | resiak | !d-i gif |
| 02:32.13 | dpkg | gif, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 02:32.50 | gif | resiak: wtf is your problem? |
| 02:33.03 | Guerin | gif: stop being a fucking twat |
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| 02:33.11 | benjamindees | what is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow? |
| 02:33.11 | starrider | how do i remove isapnptools from running at boot? |
| 02:33.15 | starrider | img oing to try an alsa driver |
| 02:33.25 | sauk | well whether or not you think i'm a bot, it'd be nice of you guys to go to that geocities page and answer that question. http://www.geocities.com/awesome_48/econ.html |
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| 02:33.38 | Xinux | yup its a bot |
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| 02:33.47 | sauk | NOT A BOT |
| 02:33.49 | sauk | geez |
| 02:33.53 | yarddog | Guerin, retards cannot help their mental state |
| 02:33.56 | resiak | sauk: I THINK YOU ARE!"!!!!!!112243627811////1/1/1 |
| 02:34.02 | Xinux | lol |
| 02:34.03 | sauk | ask me a question then |
| 02:34.10 | resiak | sauk: what are you |
| 02:34.14 | Xinux | lol |
| 02:34.17 | resiak | < sauk> i'm a blootbot, resiak. |
| 02:34.26 | sauk | student from SE wi |
| 02:34.27 | resiak | sauk: who owns you? |
| 02:34.29 | Guerin | sauk: don't fucking spam us with your shite |
| 02:34.35 | resiak | < sauk> a leet hax0r pwnz0rs me |
| 02:34.37 | yarddog | Xinux, this aint aol, take your 'lol' somewhere else |
| 02:34.53 | Challenged | morning all, I have just done a DI install of sarge on a new box.....if i have a heap of debs in another PC which are current is there anyway for apt or dpkg to install from them without havng issues? |
| 02:35.03 | sauk | challenged is a bot. |
| 02:35.03 | resiak | Serious questions? What kind of a Sunday is this? |
| 02:35.07 | Guerin | Challenged: apt-zip |
| 02:35.10 | Xinux | yarddog: if you don't like what I say, then ignore me |
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| 02:35.28 | Xinux | yarddog: you know that command /ignore |
| 02:35.30 | yarddog | gooollllleeeee |
| 02:35.34 | lef | yarddog, since when "lol" is a forbiden word? |
| 02:35.44 | shingouz | !lol |
| 02:35.44 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a LOLer. |
| 02:35.44 | Azar | !lol |
| 02:35.50 | Azar | :) |
| 02:35.54 | lef | hah |
| 02:36.03 | Challenged | Guerin, cool ill look into that ..thx 8) |
| 02:36.03 | yarddog | see |
| 02:36.13 | Challenged | figured there had to be someway hehe |
| 02:36.19 | Xinux | yarddog; LOL |
| 02:36.22 | starrider | How do i remove something from bootup? I need to remove isapnptools from running |
| 02:36.23 | Xinux | hah |
| 02:36.23 | Challenged | gotta love dialup hehe |
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| 02:36.37 | resiak | And suddenly, there were repeated *plonk*ing sounds. |
| 02:36.37 | muwu | Welcome to North Korea...oops I meant United States of America which is now protected through Vaterland, I mean Homeland Security |
| 02:36.41 | bgravato | damn... sauk left, I was going to ask him a question... well I'll ask to Xinux... |
| 02:36.48 | bgravato | Xinux: is your mother proud of you? |
| 02:36.48 | Challenged | starride: rcconf? |
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| 02:36.53 | Guerin | starrider: rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d |
| 02:36.57 | Xinux | bgravato: Yes. |
| 02:37.59 | starrider | so "update-rc.d isapnptools remove" should do the trick? |
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| 02:38.55 | resiak | Hah, sauk is on #ubuntu \o/ |
| 02:39.24 | findme | does citrix client work on linux ? |
| 02:40.14 | koopSrebyC | i'm new to debian, x-windows and i must have specified the wrong monitor settings and only have the lovely horizontal bars. How can i change these ? |
| 02:40.17 | karsten | findme: I believe so. |
| 02:40.26 | karsten | koopSrebyC: Turn your monitor sidewas. |
| 02:40.34 | karsten | koopSrebyC: ...you'll have lovely vertical bars. |
| 02:40.35 | resiak | !d-r x-x karsten |
| 02:40.39 | koopSrebyC | lol |
| 02:40.42 | karsten | koopSrebyC: Otherwise ... |
| 02:40.43 | resiak | !drxx karsten |
| 02:40.43 | dpkg | karsten: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 02:40.45 | Azar | :) |
| 02:40.48 | resiak | karsten: Sorry. |
| 02:40.50 | muwu | koopSrebyc, have fun editing Xconf... |
| 02:40.57 | resiak | !drxx koopSrebyC |
| 02:40.58 | dpkg | koopSrebyC: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 02:41.03 | karsten | koopSrebyC: <ctrl><alt><F1>; login as root, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
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| 02:41.18 | karsten | resiak: NP |
| 02:41.19 | Azar | why muwu, you have problems with Xconf editing? |
| 02:41.25 | findme | karsten, sweet! |
| 02:41.34 | muwu | Speacking of which, do I have to do this when I install Sarge Netinstall? Also, supposedly Ubuntu got its hardware auto detection from Sarge.. true? |
| 02:41.51 | koopSrebyC | thanks folks |
| 02:41.53 | karsten | muwu: via discover IIRC. Ask bob2 in #ubuntu. |
| 02:41.55 | karsten | koopSrebyC: NP |
| 02:42.12 | Azar | muwu in Debian you have the "great opportunity" to fine tune your hardware |
| 02:42.35 | muwu | it's kinda sad.. I have been "trying out Debian/Linux" since .9... like 10 years ago... after a couple of weeks, I always went back to the simplicity of windows... (though I have stayed with Ubuntu for over six weeks, and will now switch to Sarge). |
| 02:43.21 | Azar | muwu, for me, Debian is all about learning and owning the system, not having it dished ready setup by microsoft |
| 02:44.01 | MobyTurbo | muwu: use cdrecord. K3B is only a front-end to cdrecord and mkisofs |
| 02:44.03 | karsten | muwu: cdrecord |
| 02:44.16 | muwu | MobyTurbo, thanks... :) |
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| 02:44.56 | MobyTurbo | karsten: GMTA |
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| 02:45.20 | bgravato | muwu: are you burning cds or dvds? if it's cds you have a lot of guis such has xcdroast |
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| 02:45.57 | eddy | å·´è¨ï¼ |
| 02:46.03 | muwu | oh.. cd.. (I tried backing my home to my DVDRW, it failed, so I just copied Home to FAT directory... but i will use Xcdroast. thanks |
| 02:46.33 | EvanCarroll | MobyTurbo: also a front end to cdrdao |
| 02:46.57 | MobyTurbo | muwu: xcdroast is *also* just a front end to cdrecord, etc. |
| 02:47.06 | bgravato | copying files from ext2/3 to fat might have unexpected results... |
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| 02:47.25 | muwu | MobyTurbo, I am not really good with CLI's. in fact, I dread it.. :( |
| 02:47.43 | MobyTurbo | muwu: bgravato is right, if you back up your home directory to FAT you'll loose information. |
| 02:47.53 | resiak | Use tar(1)! |
| 02:47.54 | bgravato | better solution would tar'ing it |
| 02:48.00 | muwu | wow.. got my first "segment fault" in a while.. using "sudo eject /dev/hdb" |
| 02:48.10 | muwu | bgravato, what? |
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| 02:48.12 | muwu | why? |
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| 02:48.28 | MobyTurbo | muwu: FAT doesn't store permissions, among other things. |
| 02:48.33 | bztunk | muwu: unix permissions |
| 02:48.50 | muwu | oh.. no need for permissions.... just some random stuff and papers |
| 02:48.51 | bgravato | fat doesn't keeps file permissions and is case insensitive, among other |
| 02:49.09 | MobyTurbo | muwu: no, application configuration information is in your home directory too. |
| 02:49.24 | MobyTurbo | muwu: in "hidden" directories |
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| 02:49.37 | muwu | well, only thing I need is Firefox bookmark, so nothing's lost... |
| 02:49.52 | bgravato | ok |
| 02:49.58 | muwu | how do I force DVDRW out of my /dev/hdb? eject doesn't work..and it's not mounted |
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| 02:50.15 | MobyTurbo | muwu: as long as you don't back up *everything* in your home directory, but only those few files you need, everything will be OK. |
| 02:50.17 | bgravato | have you pushed the button on the dvd? |
| 02:50.34 | findme | i have one primary master & slave hard drives, can i upgrade it to another set of hard drives secondary master & slave ? |
| 02:50.45 | muwu | bgravato, yes.. (one thing I really miss from MS Windows is no need to mount/umount stuff...) |
| 02:51.02 | EvanCarroll | !tell muwu about supermount |
| 02:51.22 | bgravato | if it's not mounted it should come out |
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| 02:51.50 | stouset | EvanCarroll: supermount is still a recommended solution? |
| 02:52.04 | stouset | muwu: Are you using GNOME or KDE? |
| 02:52.12 | muwu | bgravto, it worked.. my bad.. it was actually /dev/hdc..... (Oh the joys of keeping track of /dev/hda, hdb, hdc, hdd + 1 ~12 |
| 02:52.13 | Jeevsies | how do i add access to KDE to a user remotely? |
| 02:52.25 | muwu | stouset, icewm experimental |
| 02:52.52 | stouset | muwu: Install gnome-volume-manager. Set it to run when you log into your icewm session. |
| 02:52.55 | resiak | Jeevsies: vnc |
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| 02:53.14 | muwu | if you have not tried it, you should try out icewm..... from GDM to ICEWM in 1.3 sec |
| 02:53.19 | stouset | muwu: It will automount inserted media. There may be other daemons which do this (magicdev, but that is also GNOME-based), but that's the one I know of. |
| 02:53.20 | bgravato | findme: sure, why not? |
| 02:53.21 | Jeevsies | resiak: so theres no command line i can just put in, i have to manually log in and do it visually? |
| 02:53.34 | stouset | muwu: I log in once then suspend the laptop. Login times aren't a big sale for me. |
| 02:53.44 | resiak | Jeevsies: I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. |
| 02:54.13 | muwu | evancaroll, thanks for the info. |
| 02:54.22 | madclicker | how can i configure debian with pppoe connection and 31 IP addresses on the wan side switch? (I've been given a /28 network by ISP) |
| 02:54.24 | Jeevsies | resiak: ok, i want to login to a remote system via SSH... and give a user access to KDE, instead of just the regular command line |
| 02:54.46 | nse | I want to perform a simple task with mencoder, could somebody help me? That's it: I need to resize a .mpg 790 MB video file to another .mpg file but with 700 MB |
| 02:55.01 | resiak | Jeevsies: So they ssh in and portforward, then use VNC. |
| 02:55.10 | Jeevsies | ok thought so |
| 02:55.11 | stouset | muwu: AFAIK, supermount is a very bad idea. |
| 02:55.19 | Jeevsies | alright thanks |
| 02:55.32 | stouset | muwu: Causes mount counts on removable media to go up extremely fast, and isn't really that good a solution the first place. |
| 02:55.42 | bgravato | nse: try avidemux |
| 02:55.46 | Guerin | Jeevsies: look up xdmcp |
| 02:56.15 | Jeevsies | k |
| 02:56.16 | Jeevsies | oh |
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| 02:56.24 | Guerin | Jeevsies: there's a good howto on tldp |
| 02:56.26 | Jeevsies | supposedly the only user account he can login to SSH with, is root |
| 02:56.29 | Jeevsies | will it still work |
| 02:56.31 | Guerin | bullshit |
| 02:56.37 | Guerin | don't ever log into kde as root |
| 02:56.48 | Guerin | any arbitrary user can run a remote x session |
| 02:56.53 | muwu | stouset, as an end user, it will be nice to just plug in/out a device and be able to use it... like in Windows... I mean I learned how to edit FSTAB, but most new comers will pull their hair out trying to work this mount thing. |
| 02:57.08 | Jeevsies | nono |
| 02:57.09 | Jeevsies | i mean |
| 02:57.11 | Jeevsies | blah |
| 02:57.12 | Jeevsies | hold on |
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| 02:57.29 | nse | bgravato: Does it do what I want to do? |
| 02:57.34 | MobyTurbo | !tell Jeevsies -about enter |
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| 02:58.08 | Jeevsies | ty MobyTurbo |
| 02:58.25 | MobyTurbo | yw |
| 02:58.38 | stouset | muwu: Like I said, use gnome-volume-manager. |
| 02:58.53 | muwu | stouset, I have... it's very quirky... |
| 02:58.58 | stouset | muwu: How so? |
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| 02:59.08 | bgravato | nse: yes, and it's a gui, so you don't need to spent so much time reading mplayers manpage :) but if you do search for two pass encoding on mplayers manpage... there's some option when encoding with two pass where you can specify the desired final size |
| 02:59.09 | stouset | muwu: I put a CD in the drive, it mounts it, putting an icon on the desktop. |
| 02:59.17 | stouset | muwu: I plug my iPod in, there it is on the desktop. |
| 02:59.40 | muwu | works only in about 60% of the time.. CD works alright, but my memory reader (5 in 1) works only some of the time.. the amazing thing is.. it works the first time, but the second time it will fail. |
| 02:59.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:00.01 | Guerin | that's my experience with gnome |
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| 03:00.16 | Azar | cd burning was allways a curse for me, it destroyed my cds |
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| 03:00.47 | bgravato | muwu: that's not that amazing :P |
| 03:01.01 | muwu | Azar, you need a better burner.. for CD's, Liteon seems to be the best.. whiel for DVD, Pioneer/Liteon or NEC |
| 03:01.16 | Azar | I got a Plextor |
| 03:01.19 | bgravato | muwu: if you one card in the reader it will be recognized probably has /dev/sda |
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| 03:01.29 | bgravato | the second card you put will be /dev/sdb |
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| 03:01.30 | bgravato | and so on |
| 03:02.03 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know why Azureus gives me the Error: directory creation failed: /home/ash/Share... Limewire gives me same type of error... they dont seem to be able to create directories... I run the programs w/o root access... |
| 03:02.32 | Xinux | i know this is irrelevant guys, but how do I register a channel? |
| 03:02.41 | TwistedEmotions | But even with root access they dont seem to be able to create directories.. |
| 03:02.47 | shingouz | Xinux: #freenode |
| 03:02.52 | muwu | Xcdroast has one of the most complicated menu I've ever used in a linux program |
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| 03:03.06 | nabokov | Xinux: /msg chanserv help |
| 03:03.14 | Xinux | thx guys |
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| 03:03.30 | stouset | muwu: How are you unmounting? |
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| 03:03.51 | Xinux | wtf.... |
| 03:03.51 | Xinux | * #freenode :The channel demigods have stolen your voice |
| 03:04.00 | stouset | Xinux: +m |
| 03:04.02 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: you know why these programs dont have the ability to create directories? |
| 03:04.03 | muwu | stouset, unmount worked.. I was stupid.. I thought it was hdb, but it was hdc.. (must be my being tired.. only slept 4 hours.. and had to drive six hours) |
| 03:04.11 | stouset | muwu: Fair enough. |
| 03:04.17 | Xinux | alls I did was say "Hi" |
| 03:04.22 | Xinux | hey* |
| 03:04.29 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: What programs? |
| 03:04.33 | bgravato | Xinux: don't you have to go walk your dog or something else? |
| 03:04.39 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.41 | muwu | In Xcdroast, I am at "write tracks" menu, and I don't any button to burn/add an ISO image" |
| 03:04.44 | Xinux | bgravato: yes. |
| 03:04.53 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: ^^^^6 |
| 03:04.54 | Xinux | bgravato: thanks for reminding me |
| 03:05.28 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: Are they supposed to be run as root? I am not quite sure what those are or what they are supposed to do |
| 03:05.29 | bgravato | take a big walk, your dogs deserves it (and we too) |
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| 03:05.40 | wumen | I KNOW linus torvald i suck his dick yesterday |
| 03:05.43 | Xinux | i will bgravato thank you |
| 03:06.00 | Azar | muwu the word for unmounting is : umount |
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| 03:06.32 | furrywolf | wumen: so you're linus'es bitch, eh? he hit you on the head pretty hard, didn't he? |
| 03:06.33 | Azar | oh sorry, I did not payed attention.. |
| 03:06.39 | jasoncohen | i'm attempting to install mythtv. I'm following the mythtv howto and i've already installed the dependencies byt my QTDIR is blank. how do i set it? |
| 03:06.51 | blackout | anyone know if dovecot is still undergoing enough active development to make it worth using? Or would another IMAP server potentially serve me better? |
| 03:07.04 | muwu | Azar, thanks.. problem has been solved.... now trying to figure out this most complicated XCDroast..... I miss K3b.. Well, I will just use my Windows machine :( |
| 03:07.12 | bgravato | muwu: go to setup -> hd settings -> add the directory where the images are |
| 03:07.57 | muwu | bgravato.. oh.... :-? this would have taken me six hours to figure that out.. :D |
| 03:08.20 | Azar | do not laugh guys but 2 years ago I have tried to burn Woody on a Windows PC and I destroyed 27 CDs, none of them worked |
| 03:08.33 | furrywolf | !pal Azar |
| 03:08.36 | furrywolf | sorry :) |
| 03:08.37 | muwu | 27 CD's~.. that's kinda sad |
| 03:08.46 | Azar | ..I finally had to order the Debian CDs from a website |
| 03:08.53 | resiak | Azar: Did you extract the ISO with WinRAR? :-) |
| 03:08.54 | bztunk | That's like 27$ that could have been used for something else |
| 03:08.55 | bgravato | i guess xcdroast isn't that intuitive for someone who has never used... I've used it for many years before k3b, so I'm kind of used to its tricks ;) |
| 03:09.09 | muwu | Azar, maybe DMA was turned off, maybe you got a bad batch of CDR's, or maybe it's your karma |
| 03:09.09 | Azar | resiak, to be honest I am not handy with burning CDs |
| 03:09.19 | furrywolf | just use mkisofs | cdrecord. :P |
| 03:09.22 | Azar | that was the first and last time I tried burning CDs |
| 03:09.34 | muwu | Azar, how do you back up? |
| 03:09.43 | blackout | what about gnomebaker? |
| 03:09.44 | Azar | muwu, I do not ... |
| 03:09.48 | bgravato | azar: have you ever heard of cd-rw? |
| 03:09.49 | blackout | i've found that to be quite nice. |
| 03:09.51 | bgravato | ;) |
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| 03:10.09 | muwu | I will be so happy if I can get packet writing (i.e. Mountrainer) working |
| 03:10.09 | blackout | of course, you have to have a linux system... |
| 03:10.18 | Azar | bgravato: I have a CD-RW/DVD-RW |
| 03:10.46 | Azar | all 27 CDs were cd-rw, but somehow Windows destroyed them beyond repair |
| 03:11.05 | wumen | Linus torvald is on freenode on the c++ channel nickname blank, please dont private him but you can chat on channel |
| 03:11.06 | yarddog | sure blame it on windows |
| 03:11.06 | furrywolf | you used ez-cd creator, didn't you? |
| 03:11.26 | muwu | wumen, really? how do I know it's really him? |
| 03:11.28 | findme | how can i avoid /etc/resolv.conf being overwritten by "ifup eth1" command ? |
| 03:11.33 | bgravato | If I have bad luck with 2 cds in a row the 3rd I try to write it is on a cd-rw |
| 03:11.44 | findme | got it |
| 03:11.46 | findme | thanks though |
| 03:11.51 | bgravato | until I get it done right |
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| 03:12.06 | Azar | I used Windows drag-n-drop stuff |
| 03:12.13 | wumen | the flanagan ircop tell us that |
| 03:12.19 | furrywolf | ez-cd won't erase a corrupt cd-rw... so if it burns a cd-rw wrong, you have to use a working cd burner program to fix it. |
| 03:12.30 | muwu | wumen, what's the name of the chan? #c? |
| 03:12.46 | shingouz | Azar: I guess that was the problem then. The iso is a bit by bit image of the cd so you just have to burn it as an iso |
| 03:12.47 | bgravato | windows destroying cd-rw's? that's new to me... I'm glad I don't use that thing :P |
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| 03:12.53 | wumen | c++ |
| 03:13.11 | furrywolf | bgravato: sadly, it does. |
| 03:13.30 | furrywolf | it doesn't destroy them; it just stops talking to them. if you use a working program to erase them, they work again. |
| 03:13.40 | mccbaka | Hey. I'm using a debian workalike and I have a question specifically about apt-get/dpkg. |
| 03:13.45 | Azar | ..not only that but it broke my CD-RW drive too I had to buy a new one |
| 03:13.53 | EvanCarroll | !ask2ask |
| 03:13.53 | dpkg | One day, Kn00bie joined #debian, and asked, "Tell me, is it proper to ask first whether one should ask a question, or do ye not require such things?" One of the masters raised his hand, and a towering bot descended from the heavens and knocked Kn00bie to the ground, leaving a large wet spot. Lying there, head spinning, Kn00bie became Enlightened. |
| 03:14.01 | muwu | wumen, thanks. |
| 03:14.29 | TwistedEmotions | To launch a program I need to run su... and to boot the program I need to run ./program name... anyone know the proper syntex..? |
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| 03:14.43 | muwu | I had a 32 speed CD reader die on me once.. also 8 speed one die on me... |
| 03:14.46 | EvanCarroll | su -c "./program name" |
| 03:14.59 | Azar | is that true that Debian developers are thinking to emerge two flavors of Debian: enterprise and for home users? |
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| 03:15.09 | TwistedEmotions | EvanCarroll: Thanks |
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| 03:15.25 | EvanCarroll | Azar: probably not |
| 03:15.46 | benjamindees | Azar, where did you hear that? |
| 03:15.58 | furrywolf | that's a good factoid. |
| 03:16.01 | EvanCarroll | he has /dev/randomThoughtGenerater |
| 03:16.02 | muwu | There are TWO flavors of debian? (always thought that Stable was for enterprise... and others.. oh well.) |
| 03:16.14 | Azar | benjamindees, I remember reading an article last month on the net speculating the possibility.. |
| 03:16.35 | Azar | muwu, no, it was just a general chat around the idea |
| 03:16.42 | EvanCarroll | Azar: the one right behind 'The Proof behind Nesse" |
| 03:16.54 | muwu | ic |
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| 03:17.43 | Azar | I might find the article .. |
| 03:18.13 | resiak | mccbaka: Debian workalike != Debian. Go to their channel. |
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| 03:19.16 | Xinux | how do I get a ChanServ in my channel #quote ? |
| 03:19.34 | bztunk | Xinux: chanserv is omipotent you moron |
| 03:19.45 | EvanCarroll | lol @ bztunk |
| 03:19.52 | muwu | well, it's time for me to reboot/reinstall/hapiness time.... It probably take me a long~~ time to get things going.. but I have high hopes.. |
| 03:20.03 | jcb | how do i change the limit of how many files a process can have open at once at runtime? i remember there is a command, but not the name of it |
| 03:20.12 | EvanCarroll | ulimit |
| 03:20.25 | furrywolf | bztunk: omniscient is probably more what he's asking about |
| 03:20.26 | muwu | thanks Azar, vgravato, soutset, and otheres for your help.. ;d |
| 03:20.46 | bztunk | yeah, omniscient, whatever :) |
| 03:21.20 | furrywolf | omnipotent is all powerful, omniscient is all knowing. :) |
| 03:21.37 | EvanCarroll | and omnipresent is everywhere at the same time |
| 03:21.45 | EvanCarroll | which is probably the most acurate |
| 03:21.56 | bztunk | yeah, that's what i was thinking |
| 03:22.33 | starrider | grrr how do i get alsa to run |
| 03:22.41 | furrywolf | do they have an operserv here? it tends to be even more fun on networks with one. :) |
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| 03:22.44 | EvanCarroll | modprobe alsa-base |
| 03:23.18 | starrider | FATAL: alsa_base not found |
| 03:23.21 | liable | uh, alsa-base is'nt a module |
| 03:23.24 | wumen | people are fat, mcdo in cause |
| 03:23.30 | wumen | mcdonald are good |
| 03:23.33 | wumen | i know nice taste |
| 03:23.46 | EvanCarroll | ... wtf wumen shutup |
| 03:23.46 | wumen | but why become bigger when you can stay normal and get girl |
| 03:23.52 | furrywolf | wumen: shouldn't you be under a bridge with a club? |
| 03:23.57 | starrider | i added my alias to my soundcard in alsa-base in /etc/modutils |
| 03:24.23 | liable | starrider: tried 'alsaconf'? |
| 03:24.37 | wumen | evan im big |
| 03:24.39 | wumen | due to mcdo |
| 03:24.39 | nse | bgravato: can you give me a little hint on how to make it? |
| 03:24.45 | wumen | so im tired to heard mcdo mcdo |
| 03:24.51 | wumen | EVERYTIME Mcdo |
| 03:24.53 | wumen | IM SO TIRED |
| 03:24.53 | bztunk | wtf are you doing trolling in #debian |
| 03:24.55 | liable | !ops wumen complete retard or bot |
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| 03:24.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: wumen complete retard or bot |
| 03:25.07 | bgravato | nse: remind me... mpeg shrinking? |
| 03:25.23 | starrider | now it says no soundcards found |
| 03:25.32 | starrider | so i need to run isapnptools ? |
| 03:25.41 | starrider | it found it but the module failed to install |
| 03:25.41 | mccbaka | I'm using a system based on dpkg. I am unable to get help from the people responsible for this system. |
| 03:25.44 | mccbaka | There's a package in my repository which is incorrect. It errors out on make. If I can edit the makefile and such though after configure has been run, however, it compiles. Can I somehow get dpkg or apt to let me halt and edit things between configure and make, and how? |
| 03:25.45 | liable | starrider: lsmod, what snd modules are loaded |
| 03:25.46 | nse | bgravato: that's it |
| 03:25.48 | mccbaka | Failing that, can I simply build/install the package from what apt has downloaded and cause dpkg to falsely think it was the one who installed the package? |
| 03:25.55 | bgravato | let me check at avidemux |
| 03:26.04 | starrider | ah its loaded |
| 03:26.08 | wumen | im not RETARD, i just too much like mcodnald and IM SO TIRED TO HEARD MCDONAL tv, radio EVERYWHERE, i need to vomit, i need to become less big, i wanna vomit, |
| 03:26.10 | starrider | just got a seg fault with alsaconf |
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| 03:27.03 | shingouz | mccbaka: We cannot help you, most of such scripts you have problems with are something that are distro specific. Install Debian or go to whatever channel your distro has |
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| 03:28.42 | DNA` | hi whats the best way to install debian using 2.6 kernel?i got sata hdds |
| 03:28.46 | shingouz | mccbaka: Besides, wtf are you building the package ther from source in the first place.... apt-get is the tool you are supposed to use instead of making your own most of the time. sheeesshh |
| 03:28.49 | mccbaka | But the scripts are not what I am having problems with at the moment. The thing I am trying to work with at this exact moment is dpkg itself. |
| 03:28.51 | bgravato | nse: on the left toolbar under video, click configure and select Two Pass, then enter size in MB |
| 03:28.54 | starrider | liable: its running, but the install driver failed to install |
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| 03:28.57 | mccbaka | shing: it is a source package. |
| 03:28.58 | starrider | it segfaulted |
| 03:29.00 | shingouz | DNA`: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 03:29.05 | starrider | so how do i set it up to run automatically on boot |
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| 03:29.23 | mccbaka | Alright, well, sorry to bother. |
| 03:29.23 | DNA` | thanks shingouz |
| 03:29.23 | shingouz | mccbaka: Wrong channel and /msg dpkg nicktab |
| 03:30.12 | starrider | liable: still there? |
| 03:30.12 | bgravato | and click the V process[F5] button |
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| 03:30.18 | bgravato | nse: and click the V process[F5] button |
| 03:30.25 | DNA` | shingouz so should i wait for sarge to become 3.1?:) |
| 03:30.26 | bgravato | nse: then hit Save |
| 03:30.35 | Azar | sarge IS 3.1 |
| 03:30.46 | DNA` | i know but its RC3 now |
| 03:30.53 | DNA` | right? :| |
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| 03:31.02 | bztunk | DNA`: debian-installer is |
| 03:31.13 | shingouz | DNA`: Not really, install Sarge on a desktop or laptop but for a server you still might want to stick with Woody even if Sarge does have security updates these days |
| 03:31.31 | DNA` | shingouz no i want to use it on a desktop :D |
| 03:31.50 | shingouz | DNA`: Sarge. Go for it |
| 03:31.51 | DNA` | I'll probably get sid too after using sarge to install |
| 03:31.58 | DNA` | thanks :] |
| 03:32.15 | nse | bgravato: That should work, I'll try it. Thanks a lot! |
| 03:32.17 | shingouz | DNA`: Uhh.... if you have to ask should you install Sarge you definitely do not want to install Sid |
| 03:32.21 | bgravato | nse: I think you can only do this with lavc, that it: you'll have to select lav mpeg4 (if you want to encode in mpeg4) or dvd (lavc) or svcd (lavc) (for mpeg1/2 encoding) |
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| 03:32.47 | Azar | shingouz: sid is for the young and the restless: he can reinstall back to woody/sarge anytime |
| 03:32.54 | Azar | 42 installs for me so far |
| 03:33.06 | DNA` | I've used sid for 2 years, 1 year ago! |
| 03:33.08 | shingouz | Azar: And you get to keep the pieces |
| 03:33.29 | bgravato | nse: then sit and relax, or go make a pizza ;) |
| 03:33.30 | Azar | shingouz: for each install I awarded myself :0 |
| 03:33.46 | mccbaka | So, if I came in here saying I was using Debian, and I asked how to trick apt-get into thinking a package it never installed was already installed-- say, so that it could be used as a dependency-- would I get any answer? |
| 03:33.49 | benjamindees | !prize Azar |
| 03:33.49 | shingouz | Azar: hehe |
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| 03:34.08 | Xinux | !prize Xinux |
| 03:34.11 | Xinux | lol |
| 03:34.15 | starrider | when i run alsaconf it crashes with "unable to handle kernel paging request" |
| 03:34.16 | Xinux | i mean |
| 03:34.18 | Xinux | "haha" |
| 03:34.29 | starrider | and it segfaults |
| 03:34.34 | shingouz | mccbaka: You should not fool dpkg into thinking something is installed if it is not, you *will* break your system that way |
| 03:34.53 | starrider | any ideas? |
| 03:34.57 | DNA` | if i get sarge-i386-netinst.iso will i be able to install sid? |
| 03:35.08 | shingouz | !any ideas |
| 03:35.08 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 03:35.15 | Azar | starrider: I was at getting alsa unsuccessfully last year when I decided to stop and go back to console :) for some reason I was unsuccessful no matter what Id do, I did setup the correct sound card, but alsa simply refused to work |
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| 03:35.52 | shingouz | Thank $DEITY he is gone |
| 03:35.53 | Azar | sarge does not come with sid, you can change the apt pinning after install to "unstable" |
| 03:35.57 | starrider | i cant get oss to work either |
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| 03:36.13 | shingouz | starrider: How about telling what sound you have there? |
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| 03:36.32 | DNA` | Azar yeah thats what i meant, to change sources to unstable before fetching packages |
| 03:36.34 | yarddog | damm he came back |
| 03:36.45 | starrider | i ahve an awe64 gold trying to get it to work in my alpha....im new to debian not sure how to load the modules |
| 03:36.45 | shingouz | yarddog: yea :( |
| 03:36.47 | Azar | DNA` sure you can |
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| 03:37.24 | DNA` | :D great |
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| 03:37.38 | shingouz | starrider: Awe64 on an *alpha*? Dang. Uh... have you done some googling on what snd module you should be using with that card? |
| 03:37.41 | gurubie | Azuerus reqs sun-j2sdk1.5. Can I even do sun-j2sdk1.5 in Sid on a Athlon XP? How? |
| 03:37.48 | bgravato | mccbaka: what has dpkg to do with configure and make? |
| 03:37.48 | mccbaka | shingouz: so, just curious, is that an "i don't know" or an "i know but i'm not going to tell you"? |
| 03:37.52 | starrider | it worked before |
| 03:37.53 | Azar | DNA` just take half hour to read this first, is important: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 03:37.57 | gurubie | Azureus,that is |
| 03:37.58 | starrider | like a champ with gentoo |
| 03:38.15 | shingouz | mccbaka: It is: "Do not do that in the first place, you will fuck up your system" |
| 03:38.17 | mccbaka | bgrav: well, does dpkg install source packages itself or delegate this to some sort of script? |
| 03:38.19 | DNA` | okay Azar thanks |
| 03:38.22 | starrider | i have done some googling but no matter what i do, i can get the module to install but /dev/sndstat is not there |
| 03:38.41 | shingouz | starrider: What driver does the thing use.... |
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| 03:38.43 | bgravato | mccbaka: like when you do apt-get source something? |
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| 03:38.53 | starrider | sb, awe_wave, and opl3 |
| 03:38.55 | mccbaka | Meh. Never mind, I am sorry. |
| 03:38.59 | Azar | starrider, sometimes the problem is so simple like not plugging in the speakers correctly |
| 03:38.59 | shingouz | bgravato: Non-Debian distro |
| 03:39.00 | starrider | i can get 2 out of the three to load but not all three |
| 03:39.11 | Azar | sometimes is really impossible, or at least it seems |
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| 03:39.13 | starrider | but isnt /dev/sndstat supposed to bet there? |
| 03:39.16 | mccbaka | Debian does have source packages tho. |
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| 03:39.28 | shad0w1e | could someone help me? I moved my linux installation into a new PC and ethernet refuses to work. I've tried multiple ethernet adapters, and all are picked up by the kernel.... |
| 03:39.34 | shingouz | starrider: If those were the modules you were using on Gentoo you were using OSS not alsa |
| 03:39.36 | mccbaka | Sorry. |
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| 03:39.41 | bgravato | shingouz: ok we'll keep the talk somewhere else |
| 03:39.52 | starrider | yeah i know |
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| 03:40.09 | starrider | im trying to use alsa because oss i was having difficulty getting all three to load |
| 03:40.18 | Azar | shad0w1e, find the exact ethernet cart type you are using then run modconf to find its name and pick the module |
| 03:40.21 | starrider | it would say "fatal, module not found" on one of them |
| 03:40.25 | starrider | depending on the order i put them in |
| 03:40.30 | shad0w1e | Azar: the module is working fine. |
| 03:40.33 | shad0w1e | I believe... |
| 03:40.37 | shad0w1e | I just cant ping |
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| 03:40.44 | shingouz | starrider: Well... you could just modprobe the snd-whateveryouneed in there and see if it works |
| 03:40.51 | shad0w1e | NETDEV_WATCHDOG: eth0: operation times out |
| 03:40.53 | Azar | starrider, maybe you want to try checking the modules you are using for sound |
| 03:41.42 | shad0w1e | Azar: So I think modules are good... it IS finding the ethernet adapter... am I wrong? |
| 03:41.42 | shingouz | shad0w1e: Watchdog? You sure you need watchdog there in the first place? |
| 03:41.43 | Azar | shad0w1e: check your /etc/network/interfaces file see if you got the right stuff in there |
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| 03:42.05 | starrider | gah i jsut removed alsa from startup how do i put it back |
| 03:42.23 | Xenguy | DNA`: it's all debatable; just read the documentation for the rationale, then make up your own mind :-) |
| 03:42.28 | [Timmeh] | can anyone explain to me how i can use debug? |
| 03:42.30 | shingouz | starrider: How did you reamove it? |
| 03:42.35 | [Timmeh] | gdb |
| 03:42.36 | starrider | rc.update.d |
| 03:43.00 | shingouz | starrider: update-rc.d you mean? |
| 03:43.11 | starrider | yeah |
| 03:43.14 | nse | bgravato: Kill my curiosity, by doing this steps I'm doing nothing related to audio manipulating, so I don't need to concern myself with audio (all the shrinking is happening in the video). Am I right? |
| 03:43.18 | starrider | i just ran alsaconf again and it didnt crash |
| 03:43.24 | starrider | now its saying no soundcards are found |
| 03:43.35 | starrider | even tho the module is installed |
| 03:43.36 | shingouz | starrider: Hmm.. try lspci for the hell of it |
| 03:43.41 | shad0w1e | Azar: It's all good |
| 03:43.42 | bgravato | nse: yes, unless you select A Process below |
| 03:44.02 | starrider | doesnt show my soundcard |
| 03:44.07 | starrider | but if i use isapnptools it shows up |
| 03:44.13 | starrider | do i need to use isapnptools with alsa? |
| 03:44.16 | shingouz | starrider: Oh, it is isa then? |
| 03:44.19 | Azar | starrider, maybe this will help you? http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=AlsaOpensrcOrg |
| 03:44.20 | starrider | tes |
| 03:44.30 | starrider | yeah its isa |
| 03:44.50 | starrider | azar: been there |
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| 03:44.54 | starrider | debian does everything differently |
| 03:44.57 | shad0w1e | I noticed in general, linux is going crazy with this motherboard. When I tried a clean install, the ethernet worked but then my wireless wouldn't. it "wouldnt find any access points" |
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| 03:45.08 | shingouz | starrider: In that case do an isapnpdump and hack the pnpconfig into something resembling the real configuration. Then run alsaconf again and it should work |
| 03:45.55 | starrider | someone told me alsa has its own isapnp and it doesnt need isapnp.conf |
| 03:46.18 | shingouz | starrider: It may have but the alsa version does not always find everything |
| 03:46.21 | Breeder | anyone having problems with azureus? it eats all the memory & swap |
| 03:46.22 | Azar | I do not have permission to get into that server try maybe you can: http://www.d.kth.se/~d98-jas/debian/debian-install-alsa.txt |
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| 03:48.18 | [Timmeh] | can someone please explain gdb to me? |
| 03:48.20 | Challenged | guerin: could i grab some assistance with apt-zip?, i have all the debs i want in a directory and apt-zip installed. i read man zpt-zip but i didnt really grasp how it worked |
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| 03:48.48 | Rucas | hello :) |
| 03:48.51 | omi__ | hey |
| 03:48.58 | drp | !gdb |
| 03:48.59 | dpkg | [gdb] gnu debugger |
| 03:49.02 | omi__ | what can I use to downsample 9.2 dvds into 4.6 |
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| 03:49.10 | omi__ | 9.2 gb dvds * |
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| 03:49.40 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 03:49.53 | starrider | funny thing is alsaconf finds it, but it dies when it goes to install the module |
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| 03:50.07 | rindolf | Would anyone recommend upgrading eskimo ( http://www.iglu.org.il/ ) to Sarge? It runs Woody right now. |
| 03:50.26 | starrider | but the modules are running |
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| 03:51.17 | rindolf | Consider this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/iglu-web%40iglu.org.il/msg01361.html |
| 03:51.26 | mexcore | i have read the man pages on dhcpd and i dont understand how i can make computers connected to eth1 only get there ips from the dhcpd |
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| 03:51.36 | fragdoll | hi guys new to linux/ just wondering if there is any site that offers free linux how to video? for learning |
| 03:52.20 | Azar | maybe is package dependency issue? |
| 03:52.27 | sparr_ | Is there any CMS or Forum software that maintains a "normal" style forum (like phpbb, vbulletin, etc), but provides the functionality for a user to locate the oldest unread (by them) post in each thread? |
| 03:52.29 | starrider | alsactl: load_state:1267: no soundcards found |
| 03:52.29 | starrider | wtf |
| 03:52.34 | starrider | it found it when it installed the driver |
| 03:52.39 | Solet | fragdoll: i suggest getting o'reilly's "running linux" book, its awesome |
| 03:52.51 | tcsetattr | mexcore, have you looked at /etc/default/dhcp ? |
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| 03:53.04 | Challenged | can anmyone help me out working out how apt-zip works? |
| 03:53.12 | shingouz | starrider: Was that error after your first reboot on the box? |
| 03:53.35 | starrider | Alsa: not loaded |
| 03:53.39 | starrider | setting up alsa: not loaded |
| 03:53.45 | fragdoll | ooh ok/is that online |
| 03:53.58 | shingouz | starrider: After a reboot? |
| 03:54.02 | starrider | yes |
| 03:54.10 | shingouz | fragdoll: You need to buy the book |
| 03:54.17 | fragdoll | ooh ok |
| 03:54.23 | starrider | i may just have to go back to OSS |
| 03:54.30 | shingouz | starrider: Did the isapnp come up as it should with no errors? |
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| 03:54.40 | starrider | no errors from isapnp |
| 03:55.25 | starrider | should i give up on alsa and go with OSS? |
| 03:55.28 | shingouz | starrider: Hmm.. maybe alphas do things differently. Of course you could check if the snd modules can use some parameters like irq or i/o |
| 03:55.59 | shingouz | starrider: Not sure, not all soundcards work nicely with alsa and some do not work on OSS so... welll |
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| 03:57.07 | lkthomas | anyone using mailscanner rather than amavis ? |
| 03:57.24 | starrider | lol i know why that module wasnt found |
| 03:57.25 | starrider | haha |
| 03:57.29 | starrider | i forgot to compile it |
| 03:57.29 | REdsz | f-prot |
| 03:57.33 | starrider | the one for OSS |
| 03:57.37 | shingouz | starrider: Why is that? |
| 03:57.59 | shingouz | starrider: Oh, I see :) |
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| 03:58.06 | starrider | now i have to recompile my whole kernel dont i? |
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| 03:58.11 | Azar | starrider try editing : nano /etc/modutils/alsa and enter snd-via8233 |
| 03:58.12 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.12 | bgravato | back to my problem... xbindkeys didn't solve it... xbindkeys allows to bind a key combination to a shell command... I need to bind a combination of keys to a key typing... |
| 03:58.21 | bgravato | resiak: any other idea? |
| 03:58.27 | Solet | how do i turn the execution of a script into a command? so instead of "cd /usr/src/modules/acx100/scripts" "./start_net" i can just "start_net" |
| 03:58.38 | Azar | starrider then apt-get install alsa, reboot |
| 03:58.45 | shingouz | starrider: Id do the whole kernel but I guess there has to be another way too |
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| 03:59.15 | starrider | im giving up on alsa i know OSS works |
| 03:59.20 | bgravato | solet: put it in the path |
| 03:59.43 | shingouz | OSS is not too bad at all, it works at least, starrider |
| 03:59.44 | Solet | bgravato: what? |
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| 04:00.04 | bgravato | solet: cp /usr/src/modules/acx100/scripts/start_net /usr/local/bin |
| 04:00.32 | Solet | bgravato: but that script calls files that are relative to its location |
| 04:00.55 | bgravato | that's a bad script then :) |
| 04:01.04 | Solet | but i could write a script to call it.... |
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| 04:01.18 | mwilson | Or you could rewrite it correctly. |
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| 04:01.55 | Solet | bgravato: if youwere to pull the mozilla executable file out of its folder and put it somewhere else it wouild fuck up... it'd be like wtf where are my other files!? |
| 04:02.12 | IDC | Good morning :D |
| 04:02.44 | MobyTurbo | !folder |
| 04:02.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, folder is a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 04:02.47 | Solet | omfg: mwilson, i havent seen you in forever... you helped me a long ass time ago my first night i ever tried to jack with linux at all... like in january or some shit |
| 04:03.05 | IDC | I have a strange question ...i have diactived exim services but i still receive mails from local |
| 04:03.06 | rj- | what's a good wireless-g pci card thats fairly cheap and supports linux natiely and will work with kismet? I hear prism/2 based but i need the names of the brands that are prism2 based. |
| 04:03.23 | Solet | MobyTurbo: sorry i was raised on window$ |
| 04:03.37 | mwilson | Yes, after all, you certainly can't Google for yourself. |
| 04:03.45 | bgravato | solet: echo "#!/bin/sh" > /usr/local/bin/my_script ; echo "cd /whatever ; ./foo " >> /usr/local/bin/my_script |
| 04:03.46 | MobyTurbo | Solet: even in MS-DOS they were called directories |
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| 04:04.42 | bgravato | Solet: or alias foo='cd /whatever; ./foobar' |
| 04:04.48 | Solet | MobyTurbo: touche, i guess i've just been wrong for so long it has become second nature... |
| 04:04.49 | IDC | I mean ,how come i am still receiving mails from local without exim running ? |
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| 04:04.56 | shingouz | rj-: I believe you already checked the Kismet website.... |
| 04:05.10 | rj- | shift_: ya.. |
| 04:05.30 | IDC | There i didn't change anything,but i just put an excutable script in /etc/init.d/ that to auto update my IP in every 15 minutes |
| 04:05.54 | MobyTurbo | Solet: you're not the only one |
| 04:05.57 | IDC | But now,i receive the mail reminding from doing that in every 15 minutes in /var/mail/user |
| 04:05.57 | Solet | bgravato: thank you! i've asked this question before but never got an answer i could understand... you kick ass |
| 04:06.00 | mwilson | IDC: What's that supposed to do, other than nothing? |
| 04:06.21 | IDC | mwilson, That feature updates my dynamic IP to resolve my domain names |
| 04:06.25 | Challenged | anyone used apt-zip before....im a bit baffled with it |
| 04:06.53 | IDC | mwilson, So people always use the domain names i registered to visit my site,no need to know my IP at first,cuz its dynamic |
| 04:07.06 | Azar | Challenged what do you mean by apt-zip what do you need it for? |
| 04:07.11 | IDC | hmm |
| 04:07.21 | mwilson | IDC: And you think simply dropping a file into /etc/init.d will accomplish that? |
| 04:07.37 | IDC | mwilson, Yeah,its working fine :) |
| 04:07.40 | Challenged | azar, i want to install all my debs from another system's cache rather than download again as im on low bandswidth |
| 04:07.43 | mexcore | what port is webmin on? |
| 04:07.55 | Solet | is anyone else having issues resolving security.debian.org? |
| 04:07.55 | mwilson | IDC: Unlikely. |
| 04:07.55 | kingsley_ | What's a good way to test the bandwidth of a new ethernet cable betweem a debian and a Windows XP box? |
| 04:08.00 | IDC | mwilson, i used to add a link to /etc/init.d/ in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 04:08.15 | Azar | Challenged I suppose you can zip them before transferring with bzip or gzip |
| 04:08.20 | Challenged | kingsley_, big file FTPed over with say etherape or ntop maybee? |
| 04:08.22 | IDC | mwilson, Strange is ,this time i do not have to,i did try put a link there,but then it will run that script twice at all |
| 04:08.24 | brlancer | do xmms and xine use the same code/libraries for playing audio? how could I find out? |
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| 04:08.46 | Challenged | azar yeah but apt-zip allows me to install them somehow but i cant figure out the process |
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| 04:09.26 | IDC | mwilson, Yes,its just working fine :) so in /var/mail/user in every 15 minutes i receive mail says update IP succesfully along with the refreshed domain names list i registered |
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| 04:09.30 | Indole | mexcore: 10000 |
| 04:09.37 | MobyTurbo | brlancer: that depends on what level, and, if you're refering to some things, how they are configured. |
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| 04:09.48 | Challenged | i have like 500 debs downloaded to inmstall from my other system ...just need to get them installed correctly which meanst dselect needs to do it i think.. |
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| 04:10.06 | IDC | mwilson, by the way,i made cron to maintain the job that let that script run in every 8 minute |
| 04:10.13 | IDC | 15 minutes,sorry |
| 04:10.23 | Solet | bgravato: you are awesome.... when i never become rich and famous, then thousand bux to you (you'll have to not remind me) |
| 04:10.38 | mexcore | why does webmin always give me access denied |
| 04:10.51 | IDC | But i am confused now,see,exim is no longer running <deactived already.,but mail can still deliver to /var/mail/user |
| 04:10.55 | Challenged | IDC why not fire the script off in init.d and set it to wait 15 mins in loops? |
| 04:11.32 | Challenged | IDC: that way you can monitor it as a process to see if somethings crashed out etc |
| 04:11.50 | IDC | chad|david, i just put the script in /etc/init.d/ ,then run 'crontab -e' to arrenge a time frame to run it ,it works as much as i wanted it to |
| 04:12.01 | IDC | oops, i mean Challenged |
| 04:12.27 | Challenged | IDC cool...just an idea if your going to need alot of cron jobs over time |
| 04:12.43 | IDC | Challenged, well,that script is not remainding in RAM after it runs |
| 04:12.52 | thom___ | How do I run my ftp sever, ftpd ? |
| 04:13.59 | IDC | Challenged, That script was designed for -> refresh my current IP addr. compare it to the DDNS provider' DNS record,then make them together,after it gets the record ,it automatically unload from RAM |
| 04:14.04 | Azar | Challenged: http://debian.pffa.de/ger/howto/apt-zip.html |
| 04:14.37 | IDC | Challenged, yeah,cron is a very nice daemon :) |
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| 04:15.15 | Challenged | azar : yeah thats where im trying to figure it out from but i dont see how i can do it with a directory ...i dont need to move them i already have them in a dir on my pc |
| 04:15.18 | bgravato | Challenged: I'm not sure how apt-get keeps tracks of cached debs... but if you have the debs try copying them to the other pc's cache dir and run apt-get install package and see if it downloads the files or not |
| 04:15.24 | jasoncohen | anyone use mythtv here? |
| 04:15.27 | IDC | But strange ... how come i am still be able to receive mails delivered from local ... i do not have any email daemon running . |
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| 04:15.46 | Challenged | jasoncohen, im installing for myth atm whats up? |
| 04:16.14 | bgravato | jasoncohen: sure |
| 04:16.24 | jasoncohen | Challenged, i installed the dependencies but i'm getting a compile error |
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| 04:16.36 | jasoncohen | http://pastebin.com/284525 |
| 04:16.36 | bgravato | jasoncohen: install the debs ;) |
| 04:16.41 | MobyTurbo | IDC: maybe it uses a "sendmail" command line to send it, then your old exim (or whatever) config files make it go to the user. |
| 04:16.42 | doublehp | I am running ntp-client continuously ... but the box still get 50s deviation per week !!! how is that possible ? |
| 04:16.45 | bgravato | it's a lot easier |
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| 04:16.57 | jasoncohen | bgravato, i'm on testing |
| 04:17.05 | bgravato | jasoncohen: http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ |
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| 04:17.28 | IDC | MobyTurbo, hmm,does sendmail use the config from exim ? |
| 04:17.31 | jasoncohen | i used his deb-src to get the dependencies |
| 04:17.34 | kelan | jasoncohen: are you going to use the box for something other than mythtv? |
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| 04:17.45 | kelan | if not, why not run unstable so you can get the debs |
| 04:17.48 | kelan | its much easier |
| 04:17.59 | IDC | MobyTurbo, I see,this is very likely,yeah it should be. |
| 04:18.13 | jetdotnet | no, run experimenta |
| 04:18.14 | MobyTurbo | IDC: exim, along with most MTAs, includes a sendmail program that emulates this functionality. |
| 04:18.15 | bgravato | you don't need to upgrade everything to unstable to use some unstable packages |
| 04:18.16 | jetdotnet | l |
| 04:18.27 | [Timmeh] | hi, anychance someone can explain what im doing wrong? i enter gdb then type gdb program (program being what i want to debug) |
| 04:18.34 | [Timmeh] | and it cant find the command |
| 04:18.48 | Challenged | hmm seems to pick them up im trying small stuff atm will se how it goes |
| 04:18.55 | MobyTurbo | IDC: if you don't want to recieve an email about cron jobs, direct stdout and stderr to /dev/null |
| 04:18.56 | jasoncohen | kelan, i did get the debs using apt-get build-dep mythtv |
| 04:19.06 | bgat | Timmeh: you typ gdb <program> on the command line; you don't launch gdb first. |
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| 04:19.23 | kelan | jasoncohen: i dont mean the source debs. why not use the binary ones? |
| 04:19.28 | bgat | [Timmeh]: i.e.: |
| 04:19.36 | bgat | [Timmeh]: # gdb foo.elf |
| 04:19.46 | IDC | MobyTurbo, from where i do that ? |
| 04:19.51 | jasoncohen | because it failed to install - http://pastebin.com/284531 |
| 04:19.57 | MobyTurbo | IDC: in crontab |
| 04:20.04 | Azar | dijkstra? oh I have to see that |
| 04:20.10 | peterS | bgat: you *can* launch gdb independently. that's just a bit less convenient |
| 04:20.12 | IDC | MobyTurbo, let me check |
| 04:20.19 | bgravato | Challenged: if it says need to get 0KB/12345MB then it want download any files |
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| 04:20.30 | bgat | peterS: yea, but I'm thinking that a noob wants convenient. :^) |
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| 04:21.00 | [Timmeh] | <bgat> waitup, let me try |
| 04:21.12 | bgat | [Timmeh]: don't worry, I got nowhere to go. :^) |
| 04:21.19 | snadge | is there a way to substitute your own kernel onto the debian amd64 installer? the version that comes with that is kernel 2.6.8 which does not support my nvidia SATA controller properly.. is this an FAQ? |
| 04:21.19 | jasoncohen | bgravaat and kelan : how did you install mythtv in testing? |
| 04:21.20 | Challenged | yeah it's still downloading stuff thats upgraded in the last 48 hours tho 8/...not to worry as long as its not a 4 day download hehe |
| 04:21.23 | jasoncohen | it's giving me tha terror |
| 04:21.29 | jasoncohen | *that error |
| 04:21.47 | MobyTurbo | jasoncohen: heh |
| 04:21.49 | kelan | jasoncohen: i didnt install it in testing. i used unstable and used the binary debs. i didnt have to compile anything |
| 04:21.55 | bgravato | jasoncohen: try apt-get -t unstable install mythtv |
| 04:22.07 | IDC | MobyTurbo, hmm i kinda understand your advince..but ..i now run 'crontab -e ' there only has one line i have added it early " */15 * * * * /etc/cron.d/updateip.sh",any idea ? |
| 04:22.11 | jasoncohen | same- it says they're broken packages |
| 04:22.21 | [Timmeh] | well the program is login-server so when im in the correct directory id be typing? gdb login-server |
| 04:22.22 | jasoncohen | mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend |
| 04:22.31 | [Timmeh] | then it opens gdb but dosent dispaly anything |
| 04:22.42 | Challenged | jasoncohen, i havent tried copmpiling...there were deb files for sid i used that worked np |
| 04:22.46 | Azar | hmm I understood that you have to run unstable to use that mythtv package |
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| 04:23.00 | MobyTurbo | IDC: just append to the line redirection of stdout and stderr to /dev/null. The default crontab enteries should have that themselves. |
| 04:23.03 | [Timmeh] | it jsut displays the gdb license thing |
| 04:23.23 | Challenged | but that was on a play box..im trying it on my new major installed box atm...heaps of stuff installed so wills ee if sid stuff still ok for that one. |
| 04:23.32 | tcsetattr | you expected what, a dancing paperclip saying "hi, I see you're using gdb for the first time, want some help?" |
| 04:23.36 | jasoncohen | Challenged, it says mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend are broken |
| 04:23.38 | IDC | MobyTurbo, i put that 'updateip.sh' in /etc/cron.d/ to let it run at a time frame i specified in cron,also i put it in /etc/init.d/ to let it run at starkup |
| 04:23.41 | bgravato | jasoncohen: add unstable sources to sources.list (i mean debian unstable sources) then run apt-get update if you want to keep testing has default add APT::Default-Release "testing"; to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 04:23.43 | bgat | [Timmeh]: yep. It's ready for you to tell it what to do next. Try: |
| 04:23.47 | bgat | [Timmeh]: (gdb) run |
| 04:24.16 | [Timmeh] | ooo awsome |
| 04:24.17 | [Timmeh] | thnx |
| 04:24.31 | bgat | [Timmeh]: gdb doesn't debug your program, it just helps you debug it. :^) |
| 04:24.38 | [Timmeh] | yeah |
| 04:24.39 | [Timmeh] | ^__^ |
| 04:24.39 | bgat | [Timmeh]: try: |
| 04:24.46 | bgat | [Timmeh]: (gdb) tb main |
| 04:24.49 | bgat | [Timmeh]: (gdb) run |
| 04:24.51 | bgat | [Timmeh]: (gdb) step |
| 04:24.52 | IDC | MobyTurbo, hmm |
| 04:24.53 | bgat | [Timmeh]: (gdb) step |
| 04:24.55 | bgat | [Timmeh]: (gdb) step |
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| 04:24.56 | kelan | [Timmeh]: theres also a graphical front-end to gdb called ddd |
| 04:24.56 | jasoncohen | bgravato, that's already been done |
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| 04:25.02 | bgat | ... and so on. :^) |
| 04:25.05 | MobyTurbo | IDC: yes, but that isn't the reason for the email generation. cron delivers an email with the output of *any* cron job it runs by default, if you redirect stdout and stderr to /dev/null, there will be no email. (This is the third time I've given you the solution.) |
| 04:25.23 | [Timmeh] | lol bgat |
| 04:25.32 | [Timmeh] | thnx kelan |
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| 04:25.53 | [Timmeh] | wait i have to amke it crush 1st |
| 04:25.55 | IDC | MobyTurbo, let me check if there in any cron related file there has that line by default |
| 04:26.19 | peterS | bgat: I thought you said you didn't have anywhere to go? |
| 04:26.32 | MobyTurbo | IDC: I looked and didn't see it in Debian's crontab... Sorry about that. |
| 04:26.39 | jasoncohen | bgravato, i have unstable main contrib non-free for deb. do i need a deb-src as well for unstable? |
| 04:26.54 | bgat | peterS: well, I did go for a nap a while ago. So I guess I lied. :^) |
| 04:26.56 | MobyTurbo | IDC: just append >/dev/null and 2>&1 |
| 04:27.07 | IDC | MobyTurbo, hmm no problem :) yeah,i was curious though |
| 04:27.14 | IDC | MobyTurbo, Thanks,let me try that |
| 04:27.25 | bgat | peterS: my bad. sorry! |
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| 04:27.51 | IDC | append = add ? |
| 04:27.51 | genix_ | how do i put "whatever" in the beging off all .php files in all subdir? This is just for one singe file: echo "whatever" > newfile; cat |
| 04:27.54 | genix_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:28.04 | bgat | peterS: actually, I'm trying to debug a computer here that's going to *ell. and it's determined to take me with it. :^) |
| 04:28.05 | doublehp | I am running ntp-client continuously ... but the box still get 50s deviation per week !!! how is that possible ? |
| 04:28.24 | peterS | bgat: actually I was referring to this line from just a few minutes ago: |
| 04:28.26 | peterS | <bgat> [Timmeh]: don't worry, I got nowhere to go. :^) |
| 04:28.31 | bgravato | jasoncohen: you don't need deb-src |
| 04:28.41 | peterS | bgat: just before you kicked yourself off by flooding (: |
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| 04:28.56 | bgat | peterS: so that's what that was? :^) |
| 04:28.57 | jasoncohen | bgravato, i added a marillat unstable source as well |
| 04:29.01 | jasoncohen | still fails |
| 04:29.07 | bgat | peterS: I just hit my up arrow a few times, and then, !boom! |
| 04:29.17 | MobyTurbo | !tell doublehp -about repeat |
| 04:29.20 | genix_ | How can I add "whatever" in the begining off *.php files in all subdir? |
| 04:29.21 | bgravato | jasoncohen: did you try with -t unstable? |
| 04:29.26 | peterS | bgat: 4 lines within 3 or 4 seconds triggers the flood control bot to kick you |
| 04:29.39 | bgat | peterS: aah. good to know. |
| 04:29.42 | digibox | does anyone know how to find out the IP address to a device that you only know the LAN address? |
| 04:29.46 | [Timmeh] | awsome i got the debug. |
| 04:29.54 | [Timmeh] | error wahteva xP |
| 04:29.57 | bgat | peterS: I'll try to be a better netzien in the future. irczien, perhaps? |
| 04:30.00 | jasoncohen | bgravato, yes |
| 04:30.00 | [Timmeh] | thanks for your help |
| 04:30.37 | bgat | [Timmeh]: try to relax now. the idea is to get rid of the bugs; they aren't actually the point of the whole exercise. :^) |
| 04:30.37 | bgravato | jasoncohen: what if you do apt-get install mythtv-backend ? |
| 04:30.39 | IDC | MobyTurbo, So it should be " */15 * * * * /etc/cron.d/updateip.sh > /dev/null 2&>1 |
| 04:30.39 | IDC | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.39 | YaleR | how should I check my harddisks health? I think I have bad sectors... |
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| 04:30.50 | Guerin | genix_: man rename |
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| 04:30.54 | bgravato | digibox: ifconfig |
| 04:31.07 | jasoncohen | bgravato, ah- i didn't do apt-get -t unstable mythtv after adding the unstable marillat source |
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| 04:31.09 | jasoncohen | that was the problem |
| 04:31.17 | karsten | YaleR: badblocks, smartmontools |
| 04:31.23 | bgravato | :) |
| 04:31.36 | Challenged | ok so the next question i have is ....if i want to apt-get install a package that has an update on mirror but i have a previous version in cache how do i tell it to use what i have already? |
| 04:31.38 | MobyTurbo | IDC: it's 2>&1, not 2&>1 |
| 04:31.53 | jasoncohen | bgravato, it's installing now- thanks |
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| 04:32.01 | ytripppy | where do i get sound from a BT484 TV card? |
| 04:32.25 | bgravato | Challenged: something like package-name=version |
| 04:32.38 | digibox | ifconfig will tell the ip addresses of devices connected? |
| 04:32.47 | reamtS | Is it possible to have an animational background? |
| 04:32.48 | bgravato | Challenged: i'm not sure about the syntax check apt-get man/help |
| 04:32.51 | Challenged | bgravato...its alot of packages 8/ |
| 04:32.53 | peterS | digibox: yes. does it for you? |
| 04:32.58 | X2 | hi, i am adding an ftp server to my system using mysql to authenticate users. The server doesn't have write access to the directories that it needs. Following a document on the net i need to use an adduser command. |
| 04:33.00 | jwaugh | I installed Debian from cds and now my sources. list is only for my sarge DVDs and I was wondering what I should put in the sources.list to get packages from the debian server. |
| 04:33.07 | digibox | nope doesnt work |
| 04:33.17 | maher | jwaugh: use apt-setup |
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| 04:33.20 | X2 | the output i get is - adduser -u 5500 -s /bin/false -d /bin/null -c "proftpd user" -g ftpgroup ftpuser adduser: No more than two names |
| 04:33.24 | X2 | why? |
| 04:33.38 | Challenged | jwaugh: apt-setuo just run that and add a http mirror |
| 04:33.48 | maher | X2: you can't have a space in a user name? |
| 04:33.51 | Challenged | jwaugh, apt-setup rather |
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| 04:34.03 | Guerin | there isn't one |
| 04:34.05 | bgravato | Challenged: no easy answer for you... doing a bash script to get package version? ;) or dpkg -i each one in the correct order (harder probably) |
| 04:34.12 | YaleR | karsten: Restarting S.M.A.R.T. daemon: smartd. now what ;P |
| 04:34.16 | Guerin | does /bin/null exist? why not /dev/null |
| 04:34.18 | jwaugh | Challenged: Thank you very much. I appreciate the help. |
| 04:34.41 | X2 | Guerin: same thing happens |
| 04:34.56 | Challenged | jwaugh once you have added the new mirror run apt-update to get the lastest file listing....and if you want to update all your proggies to newer versions it's apt-get dit-upgrade 8) |
| 04:34.56 | ytripppy | where do i get sound from a BT484 TV card? |
| 04:35.19 | anusaya | Is there a way to have debootstrap search for deb files locally before downloading them from the net? |
| 04:35.22 | Xinux | watsup people? |
| 04:35.23 | IDC | MobyTurbo, done,thanks |
| 04:35.29 | jwaugh | Challenged, ok thanks a lot :-) Sorry for the n00b question. |
| 04:35.39 | MobyTurbo | IDC: np |
| 04:35.56 | Challenged | jwaugh, we all start somewhere...at least you understand what apt-get is hehe... |
| 04:35.58 | tcsetattr | X2, that looks like you've taken a valid "useradd" command and then mangled it by changing "useradd" to "adduser". |
| 04:36.10 | Guerin | ohh |
| 04:36.22 | jwaugh | ^_^ |
| 04:36.29 | bgat | Xinux: word |
| 04:36.36 | Guerin | i was just rtfming and thinking the same thing |
| 04:36.40 | maher | X2: are you sure there is a -g option? |
| 04:36.45 | IDC | MobyTurbo, i understand what does ">" work for,but what does "2>&1" ? |
| 04:36.56 | X2 | im not sure of anything |
| 04:37.06 | X2 | im just following http://www.khoosys.net/single.htm?ipg=848 |
| 04:37.31 | Challenged | guerin: have you used apt-zip before...i read the man pages and some webpages and didnt really grasp how to do it from a local harddisk directory |
| 04:37.33 | X2 | tcsetattr: so i change it to useradd? |
| 04:37.41 | MobyTurbo | IDC: redirect the second file descriptor, stderr, to the first file descriptor, stdout, which makes it inherit stdout's redirection. |
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| 04:38.28 | bgravato | ytripppy: you probably mean bt848 ;) |
| 04:38.42 | tcsetattr | looks like useradd is what was meant. The page you quoted mentions Mandrake. Maybe on Mandrake, adduser and useradd are the same thing. On Debian they are not. |
| 04:38.45 | kelan | adduser is a valid program as well |
| 04:38.47 | kelan | !adduser |
| 04:38.48 | dpkg | it has been said that adduser is a program that adds a user to the system. |
| 04:38.53 | IDC | MobyTurbo, I lost,anyway :) i need to learn ,ok,never mind. |
| 04:39.03 | X2 | tcsetattr: i know that, shouldn't it work anyway? |
| 04:39.12 | ytripppy | where do i get sound from a BT848 TV card? |
| 04:39.15 | bgravato | ytripppy: anyway that's only the chip on the card... where the sound comes from depends on your card... you might have a cable connecting it to soundcard line in... |
| 04:39.30 | MobyTurbo | IDC: you'd understand it better if you'd done some C programming. |
| 04:39.49 | ytripppy | yeah did that |
| 04:39.56 | X2 | tcsetattr: what should i replace that command with? |
| 04:40.06 | Solet | how do i set mozilla to my default browser? |
| 04:40.20 | tcsetattr | if you change adduser to useradd it will at least be a valid command. Whether it will do what you want, I refuse to attempt to answer |
| 04:40.23 | bgravato | ytripppy: so it comes from line in |
| 04:40.28 | IDC | MobyTurbo, I see |
| 04:40.41 | ytripppy | i read somwhere about audimux 101,2,2, or something... |
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| 04:40.44 | X2 | tcsetattr: so im taking a huge guess |
| 04:41.15 | ytripppy | yeah i can mute/unmute line and change its volume. but no sound from tv card. |
| 04:41.33 | X2 | tcsetattr: ok, i did it, no output.... i wonder if it worked |
| 04:42.06 | Guerin | if it gave no error, it worked |
| 04:42.06 | bgravato | solet: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 04:42.43 | oclinux | Hey all |
| 04:42.54 | oclinux | I need some help |
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| 04:43.02 | bgravato | ytripppy: your soundcard might have more than one line in |
| 04:43.06 | TwistedEmotions | oclinux: I can tell.. |
| 04:43.13 | oclinux | I closed VI via the X button |
| 04:43.13 | aardvark | oclinux: go away |
| 04:43.36 | TwistedEmotions | okay? |
| 04:43.40 | shingouz | oclinux: vi does not have buttons |
| 04:43.43 | X2 | haha |
| 04:43.54 | aardvark | also, knoppix is not debian. |
| 04:43.56 | ytripppy | i like vi |
| 04:44.02 | X2 | jed is better |
| 04:44.17 | kelan | i like ed |
| 04:44.18 | tcsetattr | who has vi buttons? I wanna wear one |
| 04:44.19 | TwistedEmotions | Im guessing hes tlaking about he opened a file up using VI in a terminal... then closed the terminal.. |
| 04:44.31 | oclinux | it was a button in KDE |
| 04:44.38 | oclinux | you know, VI in a window? |
| 04:44.39 | TwistedEmotions | Jesus im good.. |
| 04:44.39 | shingouz | oclinux: And? |
| 04:44.40 | kelan | maybe he had typed an X and then clicked on it |
| 04:44.43 | X2 | lol |
| 04:44.52 | Guerin | anything's possible |
| 04:44.54 | oclinux | god dam,e |
| 04:44.56 | ytripppy | k, so i need to change the internal settings of sound card? i mena i plug eaphones into the back of the TV card. i get no sound. |
| 04:44.57 | oclinux | damn |
| 04:45.00 | X2 | you didn't click the X button did you? |
| 04:45.00 | TwistedEmotions | oclinux: What's your question? |
| 04:45.03 | oclinux | you people are cruel |
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| 04:45.06 | maher | oclinux: in an xterm? |
| 04:45.07 | shingouz | Yes |
| 04:45.08 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 04:45.14 | Guerin | ytripppy: unmute your mixer |
| 04:45.22 | ytripppy | it is. |
| 04:45.32 | ytripppy | everyhitngs up |
| 04:45.39 | oclinux | I pressed the X button on the top of the VI window in KDE |
| 04:45.48 | oclinux | and now I can't change the file |
| 04:45.48 | shingouz | oclinux: Seriously though, what is the problem you have there then |
| 04:45.49 | bgravato | ytripppy: maybe the problem is on your tv card |
| 04:45.59 | oclinux | because it says it's still in the swap |
| 04:46.01 | MobyTurbo | oclinux: don't close an x terminal with vi running, you'll make it create recovery files. |
| 04:46.04 | bgravato | ytripppy: can watch tv image? |
| 04:46.08 | kelan | ytripppy: does the card have more than one hole? maybe one of the other ones is the line out |
| 04:46.13 | IDC | it seems debian security source is now working for sarge |
| 04:46.17 | oclinux | I figured that out Moby |
| 04:46.21 | ytripppy | i can see TV fine. no sound! |
| 04:46.21 | BinaryX | i 'm having problems in Sarge, is there a hardware detection program to detect the video card and automatically install drivers for it? |
| 04:46.25 | Guerin | IDC: that's been the case for more than a week |
| 04:46.36 | shingouz | BinaryX: What card? |
| 04:46.36 | IDC | Guerin, I see |
| 04:46.43 | Guerin | BinaryX: yeah. /mssg dpkg set up x |
| 04:46.44 | oclinux | MobyTurbo, how do I fix it? |
| 04:46.44 | TwistedEmotions | Uhhh... ps? And kill the process... but would that pull the file out of swap? |
| 04:46.46 | BinaryX | radeon 9200 se |
| 04:46.47 | Guerin | s/ss/s/ |
| 04:46.58 | ytripppy | tv card has line and line out. sound card has two inputs on card and one terminal outside. |
| 04:47.08 | BinaryX | i try X and kdm at the prompt and they won't start |
| 04:47.11 | shingouz | BinaryX: /msg dpkg ati |
| 04:47.26 | TwistedEmotions | oclinux: ps -A find the process... kill <process> |
| 04:47.26 | ytripppy | bbut the tv card doesnt give sound thru card or socket at back with headphones |
| 04:47.39 | TwistedEmotions | oclinux: Not sure that will fix the swap problem though.. |
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| 04:48.01 | X2 | also, how do you make a folder and -R be changed by a group. Let a group read/write/list them? |
| 04:48.12 | oclinux | TwistedEmotions I've already rebooted and it still hasn't gone away |
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| 04:48.14 | kelan | oclinux: doesnt it ask you if you want to recover the file? |
| 04:48.16 | TwistedEmotions | I once stoped apt-get in mid install.. bad freaking idea.. |
| 04:48.17 | peterS | X2: chmod g+w |
| 04:48.28 | X2 | peterS: i see, thanks |
| 04:48.30 | peterS | X2: you probably want g+s for the directories, though not the files |
| 04:48.46 | oclinux | kelan, I says that's what I should do, and I did, but then it still didn't go away |
| 04:48.55 | X2 | peterS: yeah, just the directorys and the directories in the directories lol |
| 04:49.05 | X2 | peterS: and i spelt that wrong |
| 04:49.08 | oclinux | I used the vi -r command kelan |
| 04:49.08 | TwistedEmotions | oclinux: What file is it? |
| 04:49.11 | Solet | whats the octal ascii for #? |
| 04:49.12 | bgravato | oclinux: I can only tell you one thing... vi is not meant for ppl like you :) stick with kwrite |
| 04:49.14 | BinaryX | thanks guys |
| 04:49.17 | oclinux | inittab |
| 04:49.18 | peterS | Solet: man ascii |
| 04:49.24 | kelan | oclinux: right. so after you recover it, and save it, you can delete the .swap file, because its not needed anymore |
| 04:49.36 | kelan | oclinux: vi just doesnt delete it automatically for you |
| 04:49.59 | oclinux | k, thanks Kelan |
| 04:50.35 | TwistedEmotions | kelan: I clicked the x box in vi... it went away... now when I run vi i dont see it anymore... care to explain? |
| 04:50.46 | bgravato | ytripppy: no idea |
| 04:51.10 | kelan | what x box |
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| 04:51.34 | tcsetattr | recovery with vim is more annoying than with other vi's... |
| 04:51.49 | shingouz | cat /dev/random > TwistedEmotions ;) |
| 04:52.04 | TwistedEmotions | kelan: Was just kidding |
| 04:52.06 | MobyTurbo | TwistedEmotions: the X Box, is a game console made by our favorite software company |
| 04:52.26 | TwistedEmotions | MobyTurbo: Norton? |
| 04:52.32 | MobyTurbo | TwistedEmotions: Microsoft |
| 04:52.38 | bgravato | I guess some people's biggest problem is located between the chair and the keyboard |
| 04:52.41 | kelan | TwistedEmotions: okay, cuz earlier you seemed rather knowledgable and then you turned all weird |
| 04:52.55 | Solet | when i try to echo "#!/bin/bash" > /usr/local/bin/startnet ; etc it doesnt work, it tell me "-bash: !/bin/bash": event not found" but if i just echo "foo" > /usr/local/bin/start_net it works fine |
| 04:53.28 | tcsetattr | you have to backslash the !, the "" quotes aren't good enough |
| 04:53.39 | TwistedEmotions | kelan: Earlier I tricked you... but still know vi doesnt have a "x" button |
| 04:53.40 | bgravato | use ' ' instead |
| 04:54.00 | bgravato | or simply open the file with an editor and type it |
| 04:54.09 | peterS | Solet: that's odd, bash shouldn't be catching ! inside "" or for that matter outside it, by default |
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| 04:54.22 | peterS | Solet: '#!/bin/bash' will work |
| 04:54.26 | MobyTurbo | peterS: it does, however, catch "#" |
| 04:54.38 | peterS | MobyTurbo: not by default, I think |
| 04:54.49 | MobyTurbo | peterS: sorry, I think you're right? |
| 04:54.57 | peterS | MobyTurbo: I believe you have to set -o interactive_comments |
| 04:54.57 | Solet | will try the single quotes, (i know how to change it with an editor, i want to be able to do it in command line) |
| 04:55.08 | MobyTurbo | !confuse me |
| 04:55.09 | tcsetattr | every time you use the window manager's Close button on a terminal instead of properly exiting the program inside... a kitten dies |
| 04:55.10 | dpkg | No, who was your pineapple yesterday, mobyturbo? breeches of the people's republic of swaziland with extra cheese |
| 04:55.14 | TwistedEmotions | Where is everyone... it's Saturday night... this party sucks.. |
| 04:55.16 | Solet | i havent changed any bash settings |
| 04:55.22 | Solet | i dont even know how :P |
| 04:55.47 | TwistedEmotions | tcsetattr: yeah.. I'm glad there are close buttons too... |
| 04:56.03 | bgravato | Some people could also start using their brain too for a moment (I mean... if they got one :P) |
| 04:56.07 | peterS | Solet: hmmm, sure enough, "!" does get caught as a history event. I thought it didn't in bash. in fact that's one of the most annoying things about tcsh |
| 04:56.13 | bgravato | anyway... I'm off, bye! |
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| 04:56.33 | nevyn | it should be ok following a # tho |
| 04:56.34 | TwistedEmotions | didnt even get chance to say bye.. |
| 04:56.37 | MobyTurbo | TwistedEmotions: if the program doesn't catch the signal, closing the terminal without first exiting the program can have side effects. |
| 04:56.39 | peterS | domo arigato, mr. gravato |
| 04:56.46 | tcsetattr | ! as a history event is in pretty much every shell except for true minimal Bourne shells (like ash) |
| 04:56.46 | dpkg | okay, tcsetattr |
| 04:56.49 | Solet | peterS so single quotes will still work since they arent eval'd right? |
| 04:56.49 | tcsetattr | eek, |
| 04:56.53 | peterS | nevyn: only if you set -o interactive_comments |
| 04:56.54 | tcsetattr | dpkg, forget ! as |
| 04:56.55 | dpkg | tcsetattr: i didn't have anything called '! as' to forget |
| 04:57.04 | tcsetattr | well, someone can fix that up later, I suppose :) |
| 04:57.12 | tcsetattr | dpkg, forget as a history event |
| 04:57.12 | dpkg | i forgot as a history event, tcsetattr |
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| 04:57.12 | nevyn | oh |
| 04:57.16 | peterS | !forget as a history event |
| 04:57.23 | MobyTurbo | dpkg: forget as |
| 04:57.24 | dpkg | i forgot as, MobyTurbo |
| 04:57.24 | peterS | ah, he got it |
| 04:57.24 | tcsetattr | figured it out |
| 04:57.31 | nevyn | peterS: isn't that the default |
| 04:57.34 | tcsetattr | oh no, what was "as" :) |
| 04:57.39 | TwistedEmotions | MobyTurbo: I know.... Jesus.. are my jokes that shitty? I was kidding guys... I know how to close a program... Use CTRL-ALT-DEL.. DUHHHH |
| 04:57.43 | nevyn | I often use # as a method to store something in history to run later. |
| 04:58.00 | tcsetattr | peterS, the annoying feature in csh/tcsh is that even in single-quotes, the ! is STILL interpreted as a history event. |
| 04:58.06 | peterS | nevyn: hmmm, I might have unset it in my .bashrc. I certainly don't like interactive_comments as a rule |
| 04:58.11 | peterS | tcsetattr: yes! |
| 04:58.13 | Solet | what was 'as' |
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| 04:58.15 | MobyTurbo | tcsetattr: that depends upon what "is" is |
| 04:58.30 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: We talking philosophy? |
| 04:58.37 | MobyTurbo | TwistedEmotions: SDNWOTN |
| 04:58.55 | TwistedEmotions | MobyTurbo: WTF does that mean? |
| 04:59.04 | Solet | TwistedEmotions: no we're talking about 'as' (apparently a trigger that was just removed from the bot) |
| 04:59.14 | buckminst | I have a friend who is using Debian 3.0r2, and whenever she is in X (using blackbox as her wm), if she is idle for about 30min, her X session with automatically log out and returns her to a graphical login screen. She hasn't done anything that she can remember that would cause such behaviour. Her console logins do not auto-logoff. Any ideas? |
| 04:59.19 | MobyTurbo | TwistedEmotions: "Sarcasm does not work on the net." |
| 05:00.07 | Solet | moby yes it does... you just gotta use your sarcasm html tags |
| 05:00.10 | Solet | example: |
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| 05:00.18 | MobyTurbo | TwistedEmotions: heh, no problem |
| 05:00.25 | Solet | <sarcasm>I fucking love my windows machine, crashing is a blast</sarcasm> |
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| 05:00.38 | Solet | MobyTurbo: see it works perfectly on the net :P |
| 05:00.48 | Xinux | SOLET |
| 05:00.53 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: That was good. creative too. |
| 05:00.58 | Xinux | I invented sarcasm tags |
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| 05:00.59 | peterS | Solet: as long as that's as original as you get, then yeah |
| 05:01.00 | Solet | XINUX |
| 05:01.03 | Xinux | they are mine!!! |
| 05:01.08 | abrotman | buckminst: try disabling .. uhm .. cra pp .. i used to know |
| 05:01.08 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 05:01.15 | abrotman | buckminst: dpmi |
| 05:01.16 | Solet | i didnt make them up... but xinux didnt either |
| 05:01.16 | abrotman | !dpmi |
| 05:01.22 | abrotman | no .. that's not it |
| 05:01.23 | abrotman | shit |
| 05:01.26 | Xinux | i know, i'm just yankin ur chain |
| 05:01.26 | TwistedEmotions | <Slap> abrotman </slap> |
| 05:01.32 | TwistedEmotions | Hm.. didnt work. |
| 05:01.32 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 05:01.37 | Xinux | i didn't get them from other people tho |
| 05:01.38 | abrotman | !slap TwistedEmotions |
| 05:01.40 | omi__ | hey, does anyone know which util to use to downsample 9.2 Gb DVDs into 4.6 ?? |
| 05:01.44 | peterS | abrotman: maybe xscreensaver has a mode for this? |
| 05:01.49 | MobyTurbo | Xinux: bad nick, brings back memories of Xenix. |
| 05:01.50 | Xinux | i thought of it myself and then found out somebody else made it |
| 05:01.51 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha... he wins. |
| 05:01.56 | abrotman | peterS: i had to turn it off in X config |
| 05:02.02 | peterS | abrotman: or xautolock? |
| 05:02.05 | Xinux | Xinux != Linux |
| 05:02.06 | abrotman | but i can't remember the stupid option |
| 05:02.23 | peterS | GNU's Not Xinux |
| 05:02.24 | digibox | ok I pluged in my network card and ran ifconfig and it only tells the configuration for the card thats installed and not other devices connected to the network. Again I ask how do I find out the IP address of a device connected to the network on linux. All I know is that the device auto configures its IP address |
| 05:02.28 | Xinux | i know |
| 05:02.31 | Xinux | but Linux is taken |
| 05:02.38 | Xinux | "erroneous nickname" |
| 05:02.47 | Xinux | plus i like the sound of it |
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| 05:02.50 | tcsetattr | digibox, look in the dhcp.leases file? |
| 05:02.56 | MobyTurbo | Xinux: I didn't say Xinux was Linux. |
| 05:02.57 | shingouz | digibox: Try ifup eth0 as root |
| 05:02.57 | TwistedEmotions | digibox: Network Printer? |
| 05:03.00 | Solet | umm... if "echo 'blah' > /dir/file" echo's to the first line, and "echo 'more blah' >> /dir/file" echo's to the second line, is it save to assume that >>> is the third line and >>>> is the fourth? |
| 05:03.02 | abrotman | it's like .. Option "DPMI" "Off" .. but it's not DPMI |
| 05:03.11 | Xinux | MobyTurbo: I know. |
| 05:03.11 | digibox | yes network printer |
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| 05:03.15 | peterS | Solet: no. > truncates the file before writing. >> does not. |
| 05:03.18 | buckminst | abrotman- so you think DPMI is the issue? I can check the manpage for xorg.conf and find the option.. |
| 05:03.21 | TwistedEmotions | digibox: HP? |
| 05:03.24 | digibox | lexmark marknet |
| 05:03.27 | peterS | Solet: so >> means "do not throw away the file's existing contents first" |
| 05:03.34 | Solet | peterS: so >> just adds to the end |
| 05:03.37 | peterS | yep |
| 05:03.41 | Solet | aha |
| 05:03.44 | abrotman | peterS: for me what happened .. X would try to shut off the monitor .. and either the card or monitor couldn't handle it .. would crash X |
| 05:03.48 | Solet | btw thats not in the man page >:( |
| 05:03.48 | peterS | Solet: so if the file doesn't exist, >> does the same as > |
| 05:03.51 | abrotman | buckminst: dunno about xorg |
| 05:04.01 | TwistedEmotions | digibox: You can do it through linux.. but most printers can print a network status page... shows it's IP and all that.. |
| 05:04.09 | peterS | abrotman: ahh. that probably was dpmi |
| 05:04.13 | buckminst | wait... does debian 3 even use xorg? *cough* |
| 05:04.13 | bluefox83 | hey, whenever i run nautilus while in icewm, it launches my gnome background and desktop icons, how do i get rid of that stuff? |
| 05:04.22 | TwistedEmotions | digibox: I know how to do it on HP's but not Lexmark.. |
| 05:04.26 | abrotman | buckminst: woody/sarge have no xorg |
| 05:04.29 | peterS | buckminst: no. *no* version of debian uses xorg at this time |
| 05:04.30 | shingouz | buckminst: /topic ;) |
| 05:04.39 | digibox | TwistedEmotions, its not a printer though. its a network device that you plug the printer in |
| 05:04.43 | Xinux | hmm |
| 05:04.47 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite buckminst |
| 05:04.48 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon buckminst. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:04.49 | buckminst | Ok. Well, abrotman, I'll have her try disabling DPMI. Thanks for the assistance. |
| 05:05.05 | Xinux | How do I edit a file as root, when i'm not on root? |
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| 05:05.16 | peterS | Xinux: become root |
| 05:05.17 | Solet | peter, can \n be used instead of doing "echo 'blah' >> /dir/file" twice (echo "blah\nblah on line 2" >> /dir/file) |
| 05:05.19 | peterS | Xinux: then it's easy |
| 05:05.23 | Xinux | lol |
| 05:05.27 | Xinux | well no dip |
| 05:05.28 | MobyTurbo | Xinux: su to root, or run it with "su -c" |
| 05:05.29 | TwistedEmotions | digibox: ? I dont know---> shingouz digibox: Try ifup eth0 as root |
| 05:05.37 | Xinux | thx mobyturbo |
| 05:05.45 | peterS | Solet: you can put \n into printf. otherwise you can do: { echo "foo"; echo "foo"; echo "foo"; } > filename |
| 05:05.57 | abrotman | buckminst: see what i told peterS above |
| 05:06.03 | MobyTurbo | Xinux: np |
| 05:06.03 | TwistedEmotions | digibox: What kind of a unit is it.. I need something like that for my printer... |
| 05:06.04 | digibox | grrr now I have to restart my computer to plug in my network card again to try something that no one knows what to do |
| 05:06.08 | peterS | Solet: note that the ; before } is required. or a newline before } |
| 05:06.08 | Solet | ok cool |
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| 05:06.19 | bluefox83 | digibox, no you don't |
| 05:06.24 | TwistedEmotions | digibox: if you dont minf me asking.. |
| 05:06.29 | TwistedEmotions | *mind |
| 05:06.30 | Thanatermesis | '--==(/tmp)==--> mount -t smbfs //192.168.1.202/C nemesis/ |
| 05:06.31 | Thanatermesis | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.1.202/C, |
| 05:06.31 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.40 | Thanatermesis | what is my error ? :/ |
| 05:06.40 | Solet | shingouz: invest in bawls... tis a wonderful thing |
| 05:06.41 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: fucking idiot |
| 05:06.45 | bluefox83 | digibox, exactly what are you doing? |
| 05:06.46 | digibox | bluefox83, yes I do. I have to plug the card back in and to do that I have to shut down |
| 05:06.49 | Thanatermesis | Guerin, ¬¬ |
| 05:06.55 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: use smbmount |
| 05:07.00 | YaleR | I need some help - I'm checking for problems with my root partition, it seems to be misreading a 160gb drive as only 141 and the math is all off |
| 05:07.08 | bluefox83 | digibox, oh..yeah..wouldn't want to plug that back in while running :X |
| 05:07.09 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
| 05:07.11 | Solet | why do echo commands not go into history? |
| 05:07.14 | digibox | cause my modem will not work if my network card is plug in |
| 05:07.17 | Xinux | MobyTurbo: bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: Permission denied |
| 05:07.25 | shingouz | digibox: Laptop? |
| 05:07.34 | digibox | no desktop |
| 05:07.35 | TwistedEmotions | digibox: Router? |
| 05:07.39 | YaleR | I'm running fsck.ex3 -p w/ knoppix |
| 05:07.40 | MobyTurbo | Xinux: yes, su to root |
| 05:07.51 | Guerin | !tell Xinux about fundamentals |
| 05:07.52 | Thanatermesis | Guerin, in mount command are posible.. |
| 05:07.57 | bluefox83 | digibox, you don't have a spare slot? |
| 05:07.59 | MobyTurbo | !tell YaleR -about knoppix |
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| 05:08.20 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: Need a example? |
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| 05:08.21 | Xinux | !tell guerin to stfu |
| 05:08.27 | Xinux | lol |
| 05:08.32 | YaleR | MobyTurbo: you don't even listen to my problem :P it's still a debian box |
| 05:08.37 | Xinux | oh wait "haha" |
| 05:08.43 | shingouz | Someone kick that buttmunch |
| 05:08.47 | YaleR | I just cant use fsck while root is mounted... |
| 05:08.47 | Guerin | quelle idiot |
| 05:08.47 | TwistedEmotions | !lol Xinux |
| 05:08.52 | TwistedEmotions | Err.. |
| 05:08.53 | abrotman | buckminst: i remembered ... it's DPMS |
| 05:08.55 | MobyTurbo | !based on debian |
| 05:08.56 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 05:08.56 | TwistedEmotions | didnt work. |
| 05:08.58 | buckminst | DPMS. oh, ok. |
| 05:08.59 | abrotman | peterS: DPMS .. duh :) |
| 05:09.03 | digibox | bluefox83, no my modem is serial and the network card is just a pci card. but when I plug it in I cannot do anything on the internet inspite of pon working and dialing up and ifconfig saying I am connected |
| 05:09.04 | TwistedEmotions | !lol |
| 05:09.04 | YaleR | MobyTurbo: are you a bot? |
| 05:09.05 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a LOLer. |
| 05:09.06 | Guerin | YaleR: shutdown -Fr now |
| 05:09.10 | TwistedEmotions | there we go. |
| 05:09.16 | YaleR | Guerin: ... |
| 05:09.16 | Xinux | i already heard that |
| 05:09.23 | Xinux | why do you think i corrected myself |
| 05:09.24 | Thanatermesis | Guerin, quelle idiot non, je le ai deja fait parfaitement avec "mount" tout seule, je en suis sure, je ai meme ecrit un minitext pour ça... |
| 05:09.39 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: heh. i was talking about Xinux |
| 05:09.40 | buckminst | DPMS? Ok, so how do I turn it off? *hits google up for examples* |
| 05:09.40 | Thanatermesis | Guerin, et arret de insulter les gens, c'est pas simpatique |
| 05:09.47 | Guerin | and I don't speak french :) |
| 05:09.48 | bluefox83 | digibox, sure they are both configured correctly? |
| 05:09.56 | YaleR | .5% non-contiguous |
| 05:09.58 | X2 | #debian = english channel |
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| 05:10.16 | MobyTurbo | !fr |
| 05:10.16 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 05:10.22 | Solet | hrm... whats 'gens" i cought the rest of it |
| 05:10.25 | Xinux | root@4[Decrypt]# /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:10.26 | Xinux | bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: Permission denied |
| 05:10.31 | lkthomas | faf ghq kghasj rejk hkt asere "ls" fatw, gtakj jjtj rheht sgjt ehgg... |
| 05:10.35 | Thanatermesis | Guerin, not IDIOT, Im SURE to mount another before days an smb with simple mount command, Im sure and Im write a text for this... |
| 05:10.36 | digibox | bluefox83, dont know.... I know nothing about networks and I didnt even install linux on this computer in the first place so I dont even know the settings |
| 05:10.40 | red_wolf | How to generate Contents-i386.gz for local package archive? Where to find related docs? |
| 05:10.49 | Xinux | spammers. |
| 05:10.53 | MobyTurbo | Xinux: menu.lst is not a script |
| 05:10.56 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: yeah. |
| 05:11.01 | Xinux | i said file |
| 05:11.02 | MobyTurbo | Xinux: it's a text file you need to edit |
| 05:11.03 | Xinux | not script |
| 05:11.14 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: http://channels.debian.net/paste/140 |
| 05:11.19 | bluefox83 | digibox, you might try checking the settings, and you also might try running configuration scripts to see if you can get them working a little easier.. |
| 05:11.26 | peterS | red_wolf: not sure but it'll be in the dpkg-dev package somewhere |
| 05:11.34 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: nano /etc/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:11.35 | lkthomas | STOP FUCKING SPAM |
| 05:11.43 | dotCOMmie | are there USB drivers on debian r5 2.2 kernel? |
| 05:11.50 | MobyTurbo | Xinux: it doesn't matter, if the command you typed above was what you typed, you were trying to execute a data file. |
| 05:11.50 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: it looks to me as if your windows share isn't set up properly. |
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| 05:11.56 | Xinux | Ahhh, thank you twistedemotions |
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| 05:12.05 | shingouz | Xinux: Why the hell don't you ask your Mepis questions on #mepis, they would be able to give you better and more accurate answers |
| 05:12.10 | aficionado | Hi, I just deleted my previous kernel .config file, how can I create another "default" one? |
| 05:12.11 | peterS | dotCOMmie: only for keyboards and mice, I think. USB was not a generally useful thing back in kernel 2.2 |
| 05:12.12 | Guerin | dotCOMmie: 2.2.20-idepci? I don't believe so. /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 05:12.20 | digibox | bluefox83, I would check the settings if I knew anything about networking in the first place or more about linux too to know how to check them |
| 05:12.28 | ablet | anyone know the url for the sarge weekly iso images? |
| 05:12.31 | MobyTurbo | Xinux: bash said its message because, rightfully so, it didn't have the executable bit set. |
| 05:12.33 | Xinux | shingouz, it wouldn't matter, all the commands #debian gives me will still work |
| 05:12.48 | Thanatermesis | Guerin, |
| 05:12.48 | TwistedEmotions | Xinun: U run a dual boot system? |
| 05:12.51 | Thanatermesis | '--==(/tmp)==--> mount -t smbfs //192.168.1.202/C nemesis/ |
| 05:12.51 | Thanatermesis | Password: |
| 05:12.51 | Thanatermesis | ,--==(07:12 )==--==(root@tanateo)==-- |
| 05:12.51 | Thanatermesis | '--==(/tmp)==--> |
| 05:12.52 | *** kick/#debian [Thanatermesis!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood) |
| 05:12.52 | bluefox83 | digibox, perhaps you should ask in here, i'm not the best person to ask, but i know that some of the people here are very good with networking |
| 05:12.58 | TwistedEmotions | idiot. |
| 05:13.01 | Xinux | lol |
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| 05:13.06 | Xinux | "haha" |
| 05:13.08 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: fuck's sake |
| 05:13.08 | TwistedEmotions | !lol |
| 05:13.08 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. |
| 05:13.10 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
| 05:13.14 | Guerin | you don't learn, do you |
| 05:13.14 | Xinux | sorry its an addicting word |
| 05:13.15 | dotCOMmie | Guerin: I'm compiling a 2.6 for a friend I just wanted to fect some log file (he needs realtek gigabit drivers which are not included in default kernel) |
| 05:13.15 | Thanatermesis | Guerin, Im only have need to install "smbfs" package |
| 05:13.19 | MobyTurbo | I can tell it's Sunday |
| 05:13.21 | peterS | Thanatermesis: that's the most ridiculous shell prompt I've ever seen in my life |
| 05:13.25 | peterS | Thanatermesis: and that is saying something |
| 05:13.33 | Thanatermesis | oh... |
| 05:13.34 | Solet | ok i've seen the !lol trigger like 40 times in the last 10 minutes... its getting fucking old |
| 05:13.36 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 05:13.36 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 05:13.39 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: 1) your prompt is evil 2) don't fucking paste |
| 05:13.42 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:13.50 | Guerin | it's both ugly AND useless |
| 05:13.52 | aficionado | rofl |
| 05:13.54 | Thanatermesis | stupid fucking debian people... this channel is VERY STUPID PERSONS, FUCK ALL |
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| 05:14.03 | tcsetattr | I've seen someone seriously use a shell prompt that takes up 3 lines... |
| 05:14.04 | digibox | well I am an idiot and know nothing about setting up networks other then on windows but thats realy not knowing anything |
| 05:14.06 | Xinux | haha |
| 05:14.08 | peterS | Solet: there's always !stupid bot tricks |
| 05:14.14 | Xinux | !haha |
| 05:14.15 | Guerin | spoken like a true fucktard |
| 05:14.17 | shingouz | Xinux: That is not the point, the point is that Mepis is not Debian and most of the scripts that are used to set up that distro fuck up the install into something non-Debian which in tunr may be fucked up if you try to run it as Debian. Your system, your headache and if you really like to screw it up go to #mandrake to ask there |
| 05:14.17 | Xinux | ok |
| 05:14.27 | Guerin | Xinux: go and take your fucking meds |
| 05:14.32 | TwistedEmotions | What was up Thanatermesis's ass? |
| 05:14.49 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: U see the example? |
| 05:14.51 | Xinux | you guys are nice :D |
| 05:14.51 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: his head |
| 05:14.54 | Solet | he speaks poor english and some one is being a bitch to him and not helping |
| 05:15.00 | peterS | tcsetattr: yeah, I exaggerated a bit when I said Thanatermesis's was the worst |
| 05:15.09 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 05:15.09 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:15.10 | Guerin | no, the issue is that he kept flooding the channel |
| 05:15.29 | Xinux | who? |
| 05:15.47 | TwistedEmotions | Thanatermesis |
| 05:15.54 | TwistedEmotions | kept flooding... |
| 05:16.01 | Solet | guerin: not as badly as the bot abusers and that redfox repeater guy |
| 05:16.01 | TwistedEmotions | thought we were kiding him out.. |
| 05:16.20 | TwistedEmotions | a repeated guy? |
| 05:16.22 | Guerin | Solet: and I cuss them out too :) |
| 05:16.31 | TwistedEmotions | *repeater? |
| 05:16.34 | MobyTurbo | it's pretty easy to flood when your bash prompt is two lines or more |
| 05:17.04 | peterS | MobyTurbo: especially when you paste the prompt *after* the command you ran, just for good measure |
| 05:17.04 | aficionado | how can you generate a default .config file for kernel? |
| 05:17.05 | *** part/#debian red_wolf (~rlf@60.191.2.231) |
| 05:17.15 | tcsetattr | make defconfig |
| 05:17.34 | TwistedEmotions | aficionado: you smoke those cigars? |
| 05:17.34 | aficionado | nevermind, I guess menuconfig starts out with the defaults if it can't find a .config file |
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| 05:18.28 | aficionado | TwistedEmotions, --help |
| 05:19.28 | aficionado | tcsetattr, thanks! |
| 05:19.36 | peterS | aficionado: he was referring to that magazine for people who want to feel upper class, 'cigar aficionado' |
| 05:20.26 | aficionado | ohhh!! lol =D |
| 05:20.29 | nevyn | does anyone know if bind has any sort of preprocessor for conf files? |
| 05:20.30 | TwistedEmotions | aficionado: http://www.cs.sandia.gov/cit/docs/commands/base/mk_conf.html |
| 05:21.00 | TwistedEmotions | aficionado: hahaha.. isnt that where you got your name from? |
| 05:21.10 | aficionado | nah, this was just random :) |
| 05:21.22 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: Grrr.. I like cigars... dont smoke that many... but still good.. |
| 05:21.35 | TwistedEmotions | aficionado: Ahhhh... |
| 05:21.57 | Guerin | i like cigars, but only if they've been hollowed out and filled with ganja |
| 05:22.12 | Gnea | !sarge weekly |
| 05:22.13 | dpkg | methinks sarge weekly is see <sarge daily> |
| 05:22.18 | Gnea | !sarge daily |
| 05:22.18 | dpkg | sarge daily is probably Sarge (now testing) has daily snapshots available at http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
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| 05:22.58 | Gnea | !sarge daily |
| 05:22.58 | dpkg | somebody said sarge daily was Sarge (now testing/frozen) has daily snapshots available at http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
| 05:23.01 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:23.04 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: pothead |
| 05:23.20 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: i have nothing to say |
| 05:23.35 | aficionado | lol |
| 05:24.07 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: haha.. just kidding.. I use to smoke all the time... I live in Cali... best weed in the world... how could I not... but I stoped... all my friends still smoke.. |
| 05:24.30 | Guerin | it seems to have ipaired your ability to form complete sentences |
| 05:24.39 | TwistedEmotions | what...? |
| 05:24.46 | Gnea | eye paired? |
| 05:24.48 | Guerin | and every place in the world thinks their weed is the best :) |
| 05:24.50 | Guerin | impaired |
| 05:24.51 | aficionado | alright, gotta go |
| 05:24.52 | Gnea | heh |
| 05:24.53 | aficionado | later |
| 05:24.59 | Guerin | while it has clearly impaired my typing |
| 05:25.04 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:25.25 | peterS | Guerin: petemc is all about blunts too, as I recall |
| 05:25.41 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: haha... but I researched by claim... been to DC... good weed... been to Amsterday... better weed... Bay area... best weed. |
| 05:25.43 | Guerin | peterS: now petemc really IS an aficionado. |
| 05:25.56 | Gnea | blunts are nasty |
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| 05:26.04 | TwistedEmotions | blunts are greeeeeat! |
| 05:28.42 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I will eat your heart... U fawqed my menu.lst file... no more windows boot ;( |
| 05:28.54 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 05:28.54 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:29.14 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: why would you want a windows boot? |
| 05:29.19 | TwistedEmotions | Errrr... damn AIM convo's have screwed me.. |
| 05:29.32 | MobyTurbo | TwistedEmotions: incidentally if you have a messed up menu.lst file grub will still boot whatever you like if you type the neccesary commands on a grub prompt |
| 05:29.41 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: Im a gamer... one thing linux cant do. |
| 05:30.10 | MobyTurbo | TwistedEmotions: Linux can run all or most ID games. |
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| 05:30.40 | TwistedEmotions | MobyTurbo: yeah... but hate emulators... |
| 05:30.54 | MobyTurbo | TwistedEmotions: without emulators (except their old DOS games) |
| 05:30.56 | Solet | TwistedEmotions: sounds like a personal problem |
| 05:31.00 | TwistedEmotions | plus got 3 HD's so why not.. |
| 05:31.38 | TwistedEmotions | MobyTurbo: What game can you run without a emulator... ? Almost all major games need direct x.. |
| 05:31.44 | Solet | how would i find out what language xinerama was written in? |
| 05:31.55 | Guerin | utsl |
| 05:32.01 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: that just seems odd to me. this box has been up 44 days, because my power blinked that long ago. another box a few miles away has been up 173 days now. (it's got more reliable power.) it seems strange to *want* to reboot your box every so often (: |
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| 05:32.16 | MobyTurbo | TwistedEmotions: Quake I, II, III, and Doom, and Return to Castle Wolfenstein all have Linux versions. |
| 05:32.54 | Solet | moby what about cs, splinter cell, jk3, hl2 AoE2 |
| 05:33.02 | Guerin | and are ogl, because carmack and all them understood open standards |
| 05:33.11 | nelson | my dpkg crashes. Now what? |
| 05:33.13 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: true... but just switched to linux so still need windows once in a while... |
| 05:33.18 | MobyTurbo | Solet: I don't even know half of the initials you typed nor do I want to. |
| 05:33.21 | Guerin | nelson: now you try to figure out why. |
| 05:33.31 | nelson | Illegal instruction. |
| 05:33.40 | DimmuR|away | Hi is it any simple way to check wneh ppp0 interface was rised up ? |
| 05:33.44 | Guerin | nelson: call the instruction police |
| 05:33.48 | nelson | ordinarily an indication that I"m running a 686 on a 586, but ..... |
| 05:33.54 | peterS | that's an ILL omen |
| 05:33.55 | Solet | MobyTurbo: counter strike, splinter cell, jedi knight outcast 3, half life 2, age of empires 2 |
| 05:34.07 | TwistedEmotions | MobyTurbo: Solet: Not saying it isnt possible... just saying way more stress then just typing init 6 and double clicking in windows... |
| 05:34.17 | nelson | but: model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) |
| 05:34.19 | MobyTurbo | Solet: I'm not that much of a gamer. You've seen one FPS you've seen 'em all. |
| 05:34.29 | nelson | Sure sounds like a 686 processor to me. |
| 05:34.45 | nelson | How do I extract files from a dpkg without dpkg? |
| 05:34.53 | Xinux | ehemm |
| 05:35.01 | Xinux | most FPS games are gay |
| 05:35.02 | nelson | (and maybe it's a faq, but it's not *in* the faq) |
| 05:35.02 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: i dunno. Wolf3d is pretty different from unreal tournament |
| 05:35.05 | Solet | MobyTurbo: splinter cell is entirly different... you dont run around like a crazy bastard you gotta be pacient, age of empires isnt a fps at all |
| 05:35.16 | peterS | nelson: dpkg --extract will do it. if you don't have that available, 'ar x' |
| 05:35.31 | Xinux | with an exception of Halo |
| 05:35.31 | Guerin | !gay |
| 05:35.46 | Solet | i'm asking if they would be suppored in linux |
| 05:35.46 | peterS | nelson: or dpkg-deb --extract |
| 05:35.46 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 05:35.48 | Xinux | what word do you want me to use then? |
| 05:35.48 | Solet | s/if/how |
| 05:35.50 | Xinux | !retarded |
| 05:35.56 | Xinux | !stupid |
| 05:35.58 | Xinux | !idiotical |
| 05:36.05 | Xinux | is that even a word? |
| 05:36.36 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: I've never run Unreal, the last couple of versions won't even run on my TNT2 video card. |
| 05:36.46 | nelson | peters: thanks, that did it. |
| 05:36.48 | Xinux | lol |
| 05:36.54 | peterS | nelson: note that ar -x is a two-step process - first you extract the 'data.tar.gz' member of the .deb file, then you tar xzf that |
| 05:36.54 | Xinux | "haha" i mean |
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| 05:36.58 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: besides, unreal runs on Linux now too |
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| 05:37.07 | peterS | !debhelper++ |
| 05:37.10 | glick | yes!!! got another A+ on my comp sci assignment! |
| 05:37.12 | glick | I rock! |
| 05:37.14 | Xinux | .... |
| 05:37.14 | nelson | !dpkg |
| 05:37.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
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| 05:38.25 | Solet | can the bot be modified so that it will only accept 1 public trigger every 5 minutes from non ops/ non 'privlidged' users? |
| 05:38.32 | debian | glick: that makes you a nerd. :) |
| 05:38.41 | shingouz | Solet: That would be a pain in the butt |
| 05:38.42 | glick | debian, no, im not a nerd |
| 05:38.49 | glick | a geek maybe but a nerd no |
| 05:38.58 | Solet | shingouz: what language is the bot written in? |
| 05:38.59 | debian | glick: or a geek that has no hope in career. :) |
| 05:39.09 | shingouz | Solet: Perl i think |
| 05:39.13 | glick | computer science is not my major |
| 05:39.14 | peterS | like any sensible bot, perl |
| 05:39.37 | TwistedEmotions | !straight |
| 05:39.37 | TwistedEmotions | no fun. |
| 05:39.37 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: Played Chaos Theory yet? |
| 05:39.38 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: If what would be supported in linux? |
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| 05:39.44 | stouset | peterS: And here I thought they used VB. |
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| 05:39.59 | Phated | Woo, debhelper is on a roll. |
| 05:40.00 | Xinux | haha, i thought i'd never see the day |
| 05:40.00 | peterS | stouset: there probably exist bots that do, but nobody calls them sensible |
| 05:40.05 | Solet | counter strike, splinter cell, jedi knight outcast 3, half life 2, age of empires 2 |
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| 05:40.17 | peterS | Phated: some people's access to freenode is apparently bursty. it's kind of amusing, like qotd27 |
| 05:40.25 | Phated | peterS: I must say, it is. |
| 05:40.31 | TwistedEmotions | Wtf? I lagged out.. I didnt flood... was wondering why no one was talking for like a whole minute... |
| 05:40.31 | Phated | !qotd27 |
| 05:40.31 | dpkg | <yevgeniy2> !sest <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test <yevgeniy2> !test -!- yevgeniy2 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood] <dpkg> No, yevgeniy2, you're not online any more. |
| 05:40.35 | MobyTurbo | peterS: isn't there a bot written in TCL? |
| 05:40.39 | Phated | Hahah. |
| 05:40.44 | peterS | MobyTurbo: no idea. I've seen one in awk |
| 05:40.57 | stouset | ROFL |
| 05:41.01 | MobyTurbo | peterS: the TCL one is called eggdrop I think. |
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| 05:41.18 | peterS | MobyTurbo: eggdrop is tcl? I've forgotten what it's in |
| 05:41.28 | TwistedEmotions | What was that? Netsplit gone wrong? |
| 05:41.29 | Solet | eggdrop is cpp |
| 05:41.46 | MobyTurbo | peterS: well, a combination of C and TCL according to apt-cache's description... |
| 05:41.47 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: no, just your connection to freenode |
| 05:41.59 | peterS | MobyTurbo: nothing good can ever come of mixing C and TCL |
| 05:42.02 | MobyTurbo | Solet: it has TCL embedded |
| 05:42.12 | peterS | which is not to say eggdrop isn't *useful*. it can be |
| 05:42.19 | MobyTurbo | peterS: TCL was originally designed to be an embedded language in C programs. |
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| 05:42.25 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: They must DIE... FREENODE AND MY ISP. |
| 05:42.28 | defkewl | how do I setup apache so it can be accessed via other computer in a network? I've tried editing /etc/apache2/ports.conf but nothing worked |
| 05:42.47 | peterS | MobyTurbo: yeah. indeed, TCL was the most-embedded language I ever saw in commercial unix programs. until python started taking over for that purpose |
| 05:42.52 | TwistedEmotions | defkewl: U got a router or firewall? |
| 05:42.57 | Solet | twisted: PIBKAC!!!!!!!1111oneoneone |
| 05:43.05 | defkewl | Twisted: I use iptables |
| 05:43.11 | Solet | !tell TwistedEmotions about u |
| 05:43.15 | MobyTurbo | peterS: it originally wasn't even designed to be a stand-alone language. |
| 05:43.27 | shingouz | defkewl: /msg dpkg nicktab |
| 05:43.28 | TwistedEmotions | defkewl: you open the ports for sharing? |
| 05:43.31 | defkewl | my web-server IP add is 192.168.0.1 and it can't be accessed via 192.168.0.22 |
| 05:43.45 | peterS | MobyTurbo: yeah, well, neither was php. it used to be dependent on a web server. and look where that got us |
| 05:43.52 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: What is PIBKAC? |
| 05:43.53 | defkewl | Twisted: you mean in /etc/apache2/ports.conf ? |
| 05:44.02 | defkewl | I wrote Listen 80 |
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| 05:44.25 | Xinux | !knoppix |
| 05:44.26 | MobyTurbo | peterS: don't put PHP and TCL in the same sentance. ;-) |
| 05:44.30 | TwistedEmotions | defkewl: No for iptables... is all LAN communication open? |
| 05:45.00 | TwistedEmotions | defkewl: Wait.. you wanted to share something over lan right? |
| 05:45.04 | defkewl | TwistedEmotions: yes |
| 05:45.05 | peterS | MobyTurbo: like, I shouldn't mention my great desire to write tcl bindings to the php4 language? |
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| 05:45.20 | MobyTurbo | peterS: arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! |
| 05:45.28 | Solet | TwistedEmotions: Problem Is Between Keyboard And Chair (i have the teeshirt) |
| 05:45.40 | defkewl | TwistedEmotions: does iptables has anything to do with the apache? :-? |
| 05:46.10 | peterS | Solet: more commonly rendered as PEBCAK ("exists") |
| 05:46.10 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: Ohh... now you must DIE. |
| 05:46.56 | Solet | TwistedEmotions:eventually i'd hope... immortality would suck... all the things you never thought would sag are sagging, you cant do shit... it would just suck |
| 05:47.01 | TwistedEmotions | defkewl: my work IP tables block sharing over lan using some ports... didnt know if you had that. |
| 05:47.26 | Phated | Solet: Which is why, when you ask for eternal life, one must remember to ask for eternal youth. |
| 05:47.32 | defkewl | TwistedEmotions, for iptables I only use MASQUERADE |
| 05:47.42 | peterS | Phated: sage advice, coming from a youth |
| 05:47.44 | TwistedEmotions | defkewl: Ah.. ok |
| 05:48.08 | Solet | yeah... |
| 05:48.24 | shingouz | .....eternal is a pretty big word after all.... |
| 05:48.25 | Solet | waking up every morning and still no hair 'down there' |
| 05:49.17 | Phated | peterS: Heh. |
| 05:49.30 | Solet | shingouz: not really...think of it, 'forever' isnt very long at all if you spent the time correctly... |
| 05:49.38 | defkewl | is there any other configuration in apache I need to check? |
| 05:49.44 | Phated | I suppose one could ask for eternal prime-of-life. |
| 05:49.46 | debian | Solet: it's expecting to much to have hair under the feet like Hobbits |
| 05:49.47 | TwistedEmotions_ | be back. |
| 05:49.52 | cafuego | Phated: eternal youth? Living forever knowing you'll never grow up and be smart? ;-) |
| 05:49.59 | Phated | debian: Hobbits have hair on their feet, not under them. |
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| 05:50.11 | Phated | cafuego: FREEDOM! |
| 05:50.22 | debian | Phated: lol, they don't exist anyway |
| 05:50.32 | Phated | cafuego: Who wants to be smart, anyway, you have to sit around and help people. |
| 05:50.44 | Solet | Phated: good point |
| 05:50.45 | reamtS | When is xorg coming to debian? |
| 05:50.45 | shingouz | Personally I would not like to live forever, not as perpetually young, in my prime or old |
| 05:50.56 | peterS | Phated: not so. you can sit around and poke smug fun at them. ask mwilson how |
| 05:51.01 | cafuego | reamtS: Real Soon Now |
| 05:51.09 | Phated | peterS: You can do that while being unsmart, too. |
| 05:51.17 | defkewl | what's so good about Xorg? |
| 05:51.17 | reamtS | nice |
| 05:51.23 | defkewl | XFree is good enough :D |
| 05:51.23 | peterS | Phated: true but that limits the smugness you can honestly come by |
| 05:51.24 | Solet | shingouz: agreed... life is boring enough already.. it would suck to have to keep going... |
| 05:51.41 | cafuego | defkewl: it's newer and has better bugs! |
| 05:51.45 | Solet | all tho if you couldnt die... it would be fun to try to kill yourself in all sorts of ways |
| 05:51.49 | Phated | peterS: One did -not- ask for eternal virtue. :) We safely presume one can thus be dishonestly smug. |
| 05:51.49 | MobyTurbo | defkewl: XFree86 is suffering from what non-Debian users call "bit rot". Since Xorg is newer it is better. |
| 05:51.50 | peterS | defkewl: that's just it. most people who beg for xorg don't really know why |
| 05:52.03 | peterS | Phated: well, ok then |
| 05:52.05 | cafuego | Solet: Yeah, especially the pain bit |
| 05:52.06 | peterS | I guess you got me |
| 05:52.13 | Phated | Hurrah. |
| 05:52.14 | cafuego | Solet: That's how some would describe hell. |
| 05:52.18 | Phated | !win me |
| 05:52.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, phated! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 05:52.18 | defkewl | peterS: agree :D |
| 05:52.21 | Solet | phated: i think karsten just installed xeyes on your box |
| 05:52.26 | Phated | Coo, AOL Ninja Stars. |
| 05:52.38 | Phated | Solet: I'd be happy if that was all he did. |
| 05:52.43 | defkewl | why do you need something newer if something old can do the job well? ;) |
| 05:53.09 | peterS | defkewl: quite a few fairly new video cards aren't supported by xfree86. if you don't have one of those, though, it's not a terribly urgent upgrade |
| 05:53.11 | Solet | phated: well he said 'starey ware' and thats all i could think of :P |
| 05:53.20 | Xinux | i've always wanted to make a computer out of AOL cds |
| 05:53.21 | peterS | Solet: yeah |
| 05:53.24 | Phated | Solet: It's the least of his dark deeds. |
| 05:53.35 | Phated | Xinux: What, slow, restrictive and mostly useless? |
| 05:53.36 | Xinux | then sell it on ebay for mega $$$ |
| 05:53.37 | defkewl | is xfree still being developed? |
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| 05:53.56 | cafuego | defkewl: Yes. |
| 05:54.11 | peterS | defkewl: technically it is. they released 4.5.0 recently. however, it's not got a lot of momentum, and no major linux distributors will touch it |
| 05:54.17 | Solet | i still think it would be fun to try to kill yourself if you knew you wouldnt die... you'd really understand what all the suicide victims in the world thought in their last 3 seconds... |
| 05:54.17 | Xinux | i have to reboot now |
| 05:54.18 | MobyTurbo | defkewl: it is still being developed, but its license has become too restrictive for most distros (including Debian) |
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| 05:54.33 | Xinux | brb |
| 05:54.37 | shingouz | Thank $DEITY. |
| 05:54.37 | peterS | Solet: you'd know what it was like to be bill murray in Groundhog Day |
| 05:54.49 | shingouz | Someone banninate his ass |
| 05:54.50 | defkewl | MobyTurbo: so just wait, perhaps debian is thinking to migrate to xorg |
| 05:54.57 | Solet | peterS: he didnt kill himself!? |
| 05:55.04 | peterS | defkewl: no maybe about it. it'll happen soon, once sarge is out |
| 05:55.09 | MobyTurbo | defkewl: yes, it will happen in etch |
| 05:55.20 | peterS | Solet: half the movie, he was *trying* to kill himself |
| 05:55.30 | Solet | oh... |
| 05:55.33 | peterS | the premise of the movie included the fact that he couldn't |
| 05:55.36 | Solet | i dont remember it that well |
| 05:55.51 | MobyTurbo | peterS: good movie? |
| 05:55.55 | peterS | he'd get run over or jump off a cliff and still wake up the next morning to that stupid sonny & cher song on the radio |
| 05:56.04 | peterS | I liked it. I'm a fan of bill murray |
| 05:56.06 | Gnea | grrrr the latest firefox needs to be in sarge *NOW* |
| 05:56.18 | Solet | i saw part of a movie once a long time ago where there was this old guy that couldnt die... he got shot like 4 times in the chest and just walked it off... he tried to kill himself and it never worked |
| 05:56.20 | MobyTurbo | yeah, I kind of like Bill Murray too. |
| 05:57.14 | nelson | Is there a way to check the md5sums of my installed files vs distributed files? |
| 05:57.15 | peterS | Solet: well, the premise of groundhog day is that bill murray somehow gets stuck in a life where he wakes up *every day* to the *exact same day*, some February 2 |
| 05:57.34 | Solet | peterS: i remember that part |
| 05:57.44 | Solet | he does the same thing every day and shit |
| 05:58.09 | Solet | and it isnt until he changes crap that he can get to feb 3... like catching the kid that falls out of the tree on the way to the coffee shop or some shit |
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| 05:58.37 | mexcore | hey |
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| 05:58.55 | mexcore | hey i rm'd my syslog i figured it would just clear it now nothing writes to it |
| 05:58.59 | jake | I use ccproxy on a win box to connect to net !! Where in Debian would i set up a proxy to get Apt-get working ?? |
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| 05:59.04 | Phated | You know, that would make a realy cool game. |
| 05:59.18 | peterS | mexcore: /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
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| 05:59.39 | mexcore | thanks |
| 05:59.42 | mexcore | hmmm |
| 05:59.48 | BinaryX | i 'm having video problems in Sarge, i can't get Xserver to work with ATI card |
| 06:00.35 | Solet | BinaryX: dont be so discriptive, i cant figure out what could be wrong because i get confused with all of the information you gave us |
| 06:00.35 | mexcore | any one good with dhcpd? |
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| 06:01.06 | przemek | i |
| 06:01.12 | przemek | hi |
| 06:01.20 | MobyTurbo | BinaryX: which ATI card? |
| 06:01.23 | przemek | hello |
| 06:01.44 | przemek | dag dog |
| 06:01.45 | BinaryX | radeon 9200se |
| 06:01.51 | przemek | hwdp |
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| 06:02.01 | przemek | huj |
| 06:02.05 | przemek | shett |
| 06:02.09 | przemek | gg |
| 06:02.11 | przemek | aa |
| 06:02.13 | Eta | all |
| 06:02.14 | przemek | bb |
| 06:02.15 | Xinux | w00t |
| 06:02.15 | Solet | ok some one kick him |
| 06:02.15 | przemek | cc |
| 06:02.17 | przemek | dfs |
| 06:02.18 | przemek | dfx |
| 06:02.18 | przemek | gfr |
| 06:02.18 | przemek | gf |
| 06:02.19 | przemek | dg |
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| 06:02.19 | Xinux | everything is updated |
| 06:02.24 | MobyTurbo | BinaryX: it should work. |
| 06:02.34 | BinaryX | lol |
| 06:02.38 | Eta | WTF |
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| 06:02.43 | przemek | siomka |
| 06:02.46 | Solet | !ops przemek = flooder |
| 06:02.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: przemek = flooder |
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| 06:02.58 | przemek | co robimy |
| 06:03.05 | przemek | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.12 | BinaryX | i get the old dos looking configuration interface with options i know nothing about |
| 06:03.21 | przemek | Wal po polsku |
| 06:03.25 | Eta | !msg dpkg ls |
| 06:03.32 | BinaryX | i did a dist upgrade |
| 06:03.35 | przemek | Polish,yes |
| 06:03.51 | przemek | Polish lalalal |
| 06:03.54 | MobyTurbo | !pl |
| 06:03.54 | dpkg | hmm... pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss" |
| 06:04.00 | Solet | !po |
| 06:04.00 | dpkg | i guess po is Piss Off or Post Office |
| 06:04.02 | Solet | is what you wanted |
| 06:04.04 | Solet | ack |
| 06:04.06 | MobyTurbo | !polish |
| 06:04.06 | dpkg | hmm... polish is spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl |
| 06:04.07 | przemek | Gadaj po POlish |
| 06:04.07 | Solet | ok fine |
| 06:04.07 | Eta | Polish Notation |
| 06:04.18 | Solet | !tell przemek about fuck off |
| 06:04.26 | BinaryX | i know it's a small thing but i just don't know what the small thing is |
| 06:04.33 | Xinux | !tell xinux about fuck off |
| 06:04.42 | Xinux | !tell everybody to stfu |
| 06:04.49 | Eta | !tell me about gg |
| 06:04.58 | MobyTurbo | Xinux: just /msg dpkg |
| 06:04.59 | ApTek | Xinux: You can /msg the bot. And you don't have to tell it your own name if you just want it to message you. Just do "/msg dpkg stfu" |
| 06:05.02 | Solet | !polish |
| 06:05.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, polish is spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl |
| 06:05.24 | MobyTurbo | Solet: I already did that |
| 06:05.47 | Solet | MobyTurbo sry, i was in pm with bot trying to find the damned trigger |
| 06:05.58 | Xinux | polish dancers |
| 06:06.02 | Xinux | i wonder what they do? |
| 06:06.03 | ldexter | have you guys been getting a ton of german spam in the last few hours? |
| 06:06.08 | Solet | i still am amused that i made the bot jizz on the polish dude |
| 06:06.14 | MobyTurbo | Solet: OK. I've done my share of bot abuse. ;-) |
| 06:06.16 | nelson | I have been getting it, yes. |
| 06:06.25 | Xinux | TEH SCHIZZAR! |
| 06:06.35 | cafuego | ldexter: let me see... |
| 06:06.49 | BinaryX | i've been frickin around with this installation for about 24 hours and one thing i have achived is when i chose to use the fram buffer all of a sudden it tells me the exact video card i have but x is still not running |
| 06:06.58 | BinaryX | achieved* |
| 06:07.09 | Xinux | try a different kernel? |
| 06:07.23 | Solet | my eth is broken again :( |
| 06:07.25 | BinaryX | after using apt-get install discover |
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| 06:07.30 | Solet | it works then breaks again for no reason |
| 06:07.36 | Solet | then i tinker and it works again |
| 06:07.41 | cafuego | ldexter: nope |
| 06:07.43 | BinaryX | after using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:07.44 | MobyTurbo | BinaryX: try not running in frame buffer mode when you want to run X, sometimes card-specific frame buffer mode can break X. |
| 06:07.54 | BinaryX | ok |
| 06:08.17 | BinaryX | i have a radeon 9200se and a lcd monitor |
| 06:08.30 | cafuego | that should work *fine* with radeonfb |
| 06:08.33 | BinaryX | trying it |
| 06:08.37 | cafuego | my wife's does |
| 06:08.51 | BinaryX | is radeonfb a command? |
| 06:09.02 | cafuego | if you have radeonfb enabled, just make sure X has UseFBDev enabled |
| 06:09.39 | BinaryX | ok |
| 06:10.04 | BinaryX | in the configuration options i see "fbdev" and "ati" |
| 06:10.09 | BinaryX | plus others |
| 06:10.20 | BinaryX | select X server |
| 06:11.39 | BinaryX | shold i use fbdev ? |
| 06:11.39 | MobyTurbo | BinaryX: I don't think that is what he meant. |
| 06:11.39 | BinaryX | ok |
| 06:11.40 | BinaryX | i'm at select X server now |
| 06:11.40 | BinaryX | after using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:11.40 | MobyTurbo | BinaryX: I think he wants you to add it to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:11.42 | BinaryX | ok |
| 06:12.18 | Solet | for anything remotely complicated the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is useless |
| 06:12.30 | BinaryX | ok |
| 06:13.06 | BinaryX | i just selected "ATI" as x server |
| 06:13.17 | BinaryX | now it seems to have detected my card |
| 06:14.25 | BinaryX | showing me "ATI technologies inc RV280 [Radeon 9200se] |
| 06:15.08 | BinaryX | it wants a video card bus identifier |
| 06:15.11 | TwistedEmotions_ | BinaryX: I have a ATI hard... didnt have to type in anything... just hit enter whole way through... |
| 06:15.21 | Guerin | BinaryX: read the fucking instructions |
| 06:15.22 | BinaryX | ok |
| 06:15.26 | TwistedEmotions_ | BinaryX: You dont need one... should know automatically. |
| 06:15.40 | BinaryX | instructions? |
| 06:15.50 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:15.59 | cafuego | BinaryX: dpkg-reconfigure is showing you screens of text. try to read *and understand* that text. |
| 06:15.59 | Guerin | drxx actually tells you what to do |
| 06:16.06 | cafuego | BinaryX: Don't just hit "next" |
| 06:16.12 | Guerin | or at least just read it |
| 06:16.36 | TwistedEmotions_ | Guerin: We should just make a script telling everyone how to setup xserver... |
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| 06:16.49 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions_: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 06:16.57 | cafuego | !xcfg |
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| 06:16.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, xcfg is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 06:17.09 | GueVolt | How i close a connection ppp0 ? |
| 06:17.28 | GueVolt | i say hand down the modem... |
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| 06:17.43 | mexcore_ | grr |
| 06:17.45 | mexcore_ | i hate networking |
| 06:17.50 | Guerin | GueVolt: poff? |
| 06:17.52 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions_: Then problem is not that it's hard to set it up, the problem is that people are too lazy/blind/retarded/disadvantaged to read and follow simple instructions. |
| 06:17.54 | BinaryX | thanks cafuego |
| 06:18.04 | TwistedEmotions_ | Guerin: Then we need to create a injection that increases everyones IQ and makes then want to read documentation. |
| 06:18.10 | BinaryX | Guerin;) gfys |
| 06:18.14 | BinaryX | lol |
| 06:18.24 | Solet | cafuego: the wizard isnt the best in the world.... |
| 06:18.25 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions_: yeah, right. |
| 06:18.27 | TwistedEmotions_ | cafuego: ^^^ agreed. |
| 06:18.32 | GueVolt | Guerin: poff? |
| 06:18.36 | Guerin | Solet: excuses, excuses |
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| 06:18.39 | Solet | for example it doesnt help you at all with multi head |
| 06:18.42 | GueVolt | Guerin: what is this? |
| 06:18.50 | cafuego | Solet: The docs do, though. |
| 06:18.53 | Solet | yes |
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| 06:18.59 | Guerin | GueVolt: man poff :) |
| 06:19.03 | GueVolt | aahh |
| 06:19.04 | GueVolt | ok |
| 06:19.05 | TwistedEmotions_ | Solet: Dude.. it's like 10 variables... you shouldnt even really need a wizard... just a manual. |
| 06:19.08 | Eta | man power |
| 06:19.09 | Solet | i thought we were talking about dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:19.12 | GueVolt | Guerin: pon and poff. hehe |
| 06:19.22 | Guerin | multihead is very advanced, and 99% of people have no need of it |
| 06:19.31 | Solet | TwistedEmotions_: I know i did mine myself (the second time) |
| 06:19.32 | GueVolt | Guerin: understood |
| 06:19.32 | GueVolt | hehe |
| 06:19.53 | TwistedEmotions_ | whoops. |
| 06:19.55 | mexcore_ | hey i had a question b4 my network went down i just threw a nic card in my debian box and i set up the interfaces |
| 06:20.06 | mexcore_ | is there any reason it might not work? |
| 06:20.12 | mexcore_ | like drivers or something |
| 06:20.16 | Solet | TwistedEmotions_: a lot of the man pages suck regardless... |
| 06:20.17 | Guerin | yeah, 1,000 reasons |
| 06:20.17 | atrus | !b4 |
| 06:20.18 | dpkg | try "before", moron. B4 I17 N34 G58 O69 .... BINGO! |
| 06:20.25 | bluefox83 | mexcore_, god might hate you, but then no on ehere can help |
| 06:20.26 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: True... |
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| 06:20.52 | helo | sup dawgs |
| 06:20.58 | mexcore_ | mmm |
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| 06:21.08 | helo | err... hi |
| 06:21.15 | mexcore_ | is there anyway i can check it out? |
| 06:21.19 | atrus | !doesn't work |
| 06:21.19 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 06:21.31 | TwistedEmotions | mexcore_: I think like 99.9% of NEC cards are supported by the current kernels.. and dont need any setting up.. |
| 06:21.41 | mexcore_ | nice |
| 06:21.42 | Guerin | no |
| 06:21.45 | bluefox83 | mexcore_, if you are curious about the drivers, type lsmod and look to see if th emodule is loaded.. |
| 06:21.45 | mexcore_ | there any way to check thou? |
| 06:21.56 | Guerin | mexcore_: what happen? |
| 06:22.04 | Guerin | !tell mexcore_ about smart questions |
| 06:22.12 | Xinux | guys |
| 06:22.19 | Xinux | i need somebody to help me test Thunderbird |
| 06:22.24 | TwistedEmotions | Ohhh no... X button man is back.. |
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| 06:22.34 | Xinux | by sending a test email to them |
| 06:22.35 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: How do you want me to test? |
| 06:22.40 | Guerin | Xinux: send one yourself |
| 06:22.42 | TwistedEmotions | whats your email? |
| 06:22.44 | Guerin | fuck's sake |
| 06:22.55 | Guerin | Xinux@isafucktard.com |
| 06:23.12 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: LoL... obviously he cant figure that far ahead.. |
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| 06:23.19 | jim | why did he deserve that? |
| 06:23.29 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 06:23.29 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. |
| 06:23.30 | Guerin | jim: /lastlog Xinux |
| 06:23.41 | BinaryX | MobyTurbo;) |
| 06:23.42 | TwistedEmotions | jim: cause he thinks lilo has a X close button. |
| 06:23.56 | Phated | I thought it was vim. |
| 06:24.00 | BinaryX | MobyTurbo;) |
| 06:24.08 | atrus | mexcore_: are you trying to figure out if the hardware works before trying it at all? or have you tried and gotten some kind of error? |
| 06:24.09 | TwistedEmotions | Errrr... I mean vim |
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| 06:24.13 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: WTF is your email? |
| 06:24.14 | BinaryX | MobyTurbo BinaryX: I think he wants you to add it to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:24.23 | BinaryX | what do I add to it |
| 06:24.40 | BinaryX | and what section in it do i add it too >? |
| 06:24.46 | helo | if i have a partition that is mounted, and another partition of identical size on another drive, how do i create a raid-1 array that uses the two together? |
| 06:24.58 | MobyTurbo | BinaryX: ask cafuego |
| 06:25.06 | helo | the howto covers how to make a raid array out of two partitions before they have any data... |
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| 06:25.16 | TwistedEmotions | helo: Software or Hardware RAID? |
| 06:25.19 | helo | software |
| 06:25.25 | peterS | helo: well. it's not *quite* trivial, because raid1 uses a couple of blocks for its metadata, so you'll need to get a couple of unused blocks at the end of your partition |
| 06:25.36 | helo | hmm... |
| 06:25.46 | BinaryX | i have mc open and navigated to the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 06:25.47 | intruz | !help |
| 06:25.50 | TwistedEmotions | helo: I know base-config does it for you... but I dont know if you can do it now that you are using one drive.. |
| 06:25.52 | peterS | helo: here's what I'd do: start by installing mdadm, which is how you'll control the raid business |
| 06:25.54 | BinaryX | openeed for editing |
| 06:25.54 | helo | maybe i should copy all of the data to another partition, create the array, and then copy it back |
| 06:26.02 | Guerin | !wayttd BinaryX |
| 06:26.03 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, BinaryX? |
| 06:26.15 | TwistedEmotions | Did Xinux leave? Guerin you meanie. |
| 06:26.19 | BinaryX | to get my radeon working |
| 06:26.20 | peterS | helo: you can create the raid1 in degraded mode on the second partition, then make a filesystem there, copy the data to *that*, then expand the raid1 back onto your original drive |
| 06:26.22 | Xinux | yes i was gone |
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| 06:26.32 | glick | i cant believe i wasted like 4 hours trying to get my sound working and it turns out PCM was muted |
| 06:26.34 | peterS | helo: of course if you *have* a bunch of free space somewhere else, that's another option |
| 06:26.36 | Guerin | BinaryX: you've been told how to |
| 06:26.36 | Xinux | TwistedEmotions: Xinux6@gmail.com |
| 06:26.38 | BinaryX | i could have installed a debian setupt fron koppix |
| 06:26.45 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 06:26.50 | Guerin | glick: i can believe that |
| 06:26.51 | BinaryX | knoppix detects my hardware |
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| 06:26.53 | helo | i have a bunch of free space on the 2nd drive, so that last step would be a bitch |
| 06:26.54 | bluefox83 | glick, heh..it happens to the best o fus |
| 06:26.58 | bluefox83 | *of us |
| 06:26.58 | Xinux | lol |
| 06:27.05 | peterS | glick: hahaha. IIRC you were warned about that, although nobody said in so many words that you might have to unmute *as well as* turn the volume up |
| 06:27.05 | MobyTurbo | !knoppix |
| 06:27.05 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 06:27.13 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: Sent. |
| 06:27.14 | helo | because it would involve copying from partition to partition on the same drive |
| 06:27.24 | jim | wow... that's fairly impressive he could sustain that for that long... |
| 06:27.38 | Xinux | i received it |
| 06:27.39 | peterS | helo: anyway. I can walk you through it either way |
| 06:27.51 | TwistedEmotions | helo: If I was you... backup all data... use base config to set it up... |
| 06:27.53 | peterS | helo: you'll want the 'mdadm' package because that's the simple way to create and manage raid stuff |
| 06:28.09 | glick | i hope it doesnt take me that long to set my burner and my external firewire drive up |
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| 06:28.12 | helo | i have recompiled my kernel with md and have a recent version of mdadm compiled and installed |
| 06:28.15 | Solet | hrm, wanting to set up a printer, i've checked before to make sure that it is supported and it is... whats my next step? |
| 06:28.21 | helo | (using 3.0) |
| 06:28.24 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: Congratz. You have now mastered the art of recieving email. |
| 06:28.28 | Xinux | lol |
| 06:28.32 | Xinux | now im trying to send it |
| 06:28.35 | bluefox83 | Solet, read the manual.. |
| 06:28.37 | glick | tryin to get my kernel set up so i can back up the config and wipe the drive clean and reinstall |
| 06:28.39 | helo | the mdadm was like v0.9, current being 1.9 |
| 06:28.46 | jim | two in one day!! |
| 06:28.50 | Xinux | it's taking really long to send "another test" |
| 06:28.51 | Guerin | Solet: apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd ; http://localhost:631 |
| 06:28.54 | Solet | bluefox83: which one prey tel? |
| 06:29.08 | helo | i think the degraded mode would teach me more about managing raid stuff |
| 06:29.09 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: Good. Don't like spam anyways. |
| 06:29.13 | helo | do i get to pick? :) |
| 06:29.16 | Guevolt2 | what is this msg in my syslog.log: tdb_store failed: Success ? I don't have problems to use my modem but i always see this msg on the syslog. why ? |
| 06:29.18 | Xinux | twisted |
| 06:29.18 | bluefox83 | Solet, i dunno..i don't even have a power cable for my printer =( |
| 06:29.20 | peterS | helo: so, assuming /dev/hda1 and /dev/hdc3 are your existing and new partitions......... |
| 06:29.22 | Xinux | its to test if its working or not |
| 06:29.33 | Solet | @lart bluefox83 |
| 06:29.33 | helo | hda2 and hdc2, actually |
| 06:29.36 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: I know.. joking. Check your smtp settings... |
| 06:29.59 | peterS | helo: mdadm --create --level=1 -n 2 missing /dev/hdc3 |
| 06:30.03 | helo | hdc2 being a live partition that is mounted right now |
| 06:30.12 | peterS | helo: 'missing' means 'there should be another device here but at the moment there is not' |
| 06:30.18 | helo | err... hda2, sorry |
| 06:30.22 | Xinux | duh |
| 06:30.23 | peterS | helo: ok then, create it using /dev/hda2 and "missing" |
| 06:30.24 | Xinux | stupid me |
| 06:30.27 | Xinux | wrong SMTP address |
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| 06:30.32 | peterS | helo: I mean /dev/hdc2 and missing then (: |
| 06:30.59 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: Jesus... I'm freaking amazing huh? I know the problems even BEFORE you newb them up ;) |
| 06:31.07 | Solet | omfg my wifi card is pissing me off... is there a way i can view live rx tx rates? instead of just ifconfig'ing every 4 secs |
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| 06:31.19 | peterS | helo: once you've created it, you have a /dev/md0 where you can 'mke2fs -j' for ext3, or whatever mkfs you want |
| 06:31.28 | helo | error opening missing: no such file or directory |
| 06:31.42 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: that's what you get for using wireless and stealing peoples home bandwidth.. |
| 06:31.43 | Xinux | TwistedEmotions: It still isn't working.. |
| 06:31.59 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: Who's your ISP and what is the SMTP address? |
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| 06:32.25 | peterS | helo: strange, I thought that worked. let me look again |
| 06:32.48 | Xinux | it's not my ISP |
| 06:32.54 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Fixed it.. |
| 06:32.56 | peterS | helo: yeah, the manpage agrees with me, you can say "missing" in place of any of the devices, only one device has to be real for raid1 |
| 06:32.59 | helo | i'm looking through the howto... |
| 06:33.17 | peterS | helo: what version of mdadm do you have? 'mdadm --version' |
| 06:33.28 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: No shit... I mean let me double check your settings for you.. if you care not to share... then shit. your fucked. |
| 06:33.29 | nelson | How do I verify the consistency of my installed binaries vs the packaged binaries? |
| 06:33.36 | Xinux | gmail.com |
| 06:33.39 | helo | 1.9.0, compiled earlier this morning |
| 06:33.42 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
| 06:33.49 | nelson | (In other words, I'VE BEEN ROOTED) |
| 06:33.55 | helo | should i downgrade? |
| 06:34.05 | bluefox83 | how the heck do i skip to the bottom of a file in vim? |
| 06:34.06 | Guerin | nelson: don't bother, just nuke the whole shop and start from bare metal. |
| 06:34.13 | peterS | helo: no, that's the version I have, should be fine |
| 06:34.16 | Guerin | !aliensmite nelson's computer |
| 06:34.23 | peterS | helo: what exact command did you use, which failed? |
| 06:34.34 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: http://www.mpx200.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t6943.html |
| 06:35.23 | helo | mdadm --create --level=1 -n 2 missing /dev/hdc2 |
| 06:35.25 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: My guess... chances are your setings for outgoing mail arent setup for SSL. |
| 06:35.46 | peterS | helo: try -n2 instead of -n 2. it shouldn't matter, but.. |
| 06:35.54 | nelson | Guerin: yeah, but 1) that's a huge amount of work, and 2) I refuse to believe that some hacker is more 733t than I. |
| 06:36.03 | Xinux | Gmails website said TSL |
| 06:36.13 | Xinux | TLS* |
| 06:36.16 | Xinux | but ill try SSL |
| 06:36.23 | Solet | nelson... well he must have been he prolly knew how to spell 1337 |
| 06:36.36 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: then use TSL... either way make sure your security settings are right. |
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| 06:36.38 | peterS | helo: OH. I think you have to mention /dev/md0 just after --create. I forgot that part |
| 06:36.56 | nelson | solet: that won't help him break into my machine .... nor me to repair the damage. |
| 06:36.58 | Guerin | nelson: peace of mind is valuable. If you've been rooted, you can't trust anything. And given that you apparently have no idea what to do, I think it's fair to say that the cracker IS more 1337 than you |
| 06:37.02 | Solet | 733t is just a funny word for nipple |
| 06:37.17 | helo | oh that's so cool.... |
| 06:37.19 | Xinux | hmmm |
| 06:37.21 | Xinux | still wont work |
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| 06:37.35 | peterS | helo: so, 'cat /proc/mdstat' to verify that it worked |
| 06:37.41 | nelson | Guerin: I have many ideas of what to do .... but apparently Debian can't do it. |
| 06:37.48 | Guerin | bullshit |
| 06:37.53 | Guerin | debsums |
| 06:38.04 | nelson | Guerin: I see. |
| 06:38.13 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: Hm.... either figure out setup or apt-get install vncserver... and gimme your IP. |
| 06:38.16 | Solet | nelson: get a list of all installed packages and reinstall them all... |
| 06:38.18 | helo | yep, one active, hdc2 |
| 06:38.30 | bluefox83 | how do i skip to the bottom of a file while viewing it in Vi? |
| 06:38.34 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: No not access his computer remotely |
| 06:38.36 | glick | downloading the java sdk :( |
| 06:38.36 | peterS | helo: and it'll note that it's in degraded mode (with a missing device). |
| 06:38.44 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: Why? |
| 06:38.46 | helo | the _, correct? |
| 06:38.47 | shingouz | Xinux: Dont give root to anyone you meet on the net |
| 06:38.53 | peterS | yep |
| 06:38.57 | TwistedEmotions | Ohh.. |
| 06:38.59 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... |
| 06:39.00 | nelson | Solet: I'm hoping to do less than that, although that's the fallback. |
| 06:39.07 | defkewl | why don't you use other distro that uses xorg instead? :P |
| 06:39.09 | TwistedEmotions | have access to like 200 computers at work. |
| 06:39.13 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: If you fuck up his computer.... comeon.. think about it |
| 06:39.20 | peterS | helo: so now you can create a filesystem on /dev/md0. for ext3 use 'mke2fs -j' or 'mkfs.ext3', for other filesystems 'mkfs.whatever' |
| 06:39.28 | TwistedEmotions | and I can access all from VNC :) |
| 06:39.40 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: Don't |
| 06:39.42 | helo | ok, now i need to unmount the partition (which has /var and /home) so that i can copy the data over |
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| 06:39.47 | helo | did that :) |
| 06:39.50 | peterS | helo: no real need to unmount |
| 06:39.50 | Xinux | it's not like im gonna do it |
| 06:39.55 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: I wont. |
| 06:40.04 | helo | ok |
| 06:40.11 | peterS | helo: where's it mounted at the moment? |
| 06:40.14 | helo | just cp -ax source destination |
| 06:40.20 | helo | it is mounted at /home |
| 06:40.23 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: Dude.. not that hard man.. cmon. |
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| 06:40.33 | helo | with /home/var being symlinked to from /var |
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| 06:40.42 | peterS | helo: right, so 'cd /home' and then 'cp -ax . /mnt' after doing a 'mount /dev/md0 /mnt' |
| 06:40.47 | frevidar | what is a pdf viewer in debian I can use to copy and paste text out of a document? |
| 06:41.05 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: Your setting up Thunderbird... not freaking repacking kernels.. |
| 06:41.08 | Xinux | to fix a POP3 email setting? |
| 06:41.08 | Guerin | frevidar: pdftotext |
| 06:41.10 | Xinux | why? |
| 06:41.19 | Solet | ummm the dude that got his ass hacked: wousldnt dpkg -L | apt-get install --reinstall |
| 06:41.28 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: Why what? |
| 06:41.31 | Guerin | Solet: can he trust dpkg? |
| 06:41.36 | frevidar | guerin: will that convert the document to plain text? |
| 06:41.40 | Xinux | why give you full access to my computer so you can change a few settings |
| 06:41.43 | helo | peterS: i've never mounted a partition on a folder that has files... is that some weird raid shortcut? |
| 06:41.45 | Guerin | frevidar: yes. |
| 06:41.47 | nelson | Solet: dpkg -L | xargs apt-get install --reinstall, but yeah. |
| 06:41.49 | Solet | guerin: good point |
| 06:42.07 | Guerin | no, COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |
| 06:42.13 | peterS | helo: well, /mnt is normally empty and unused which is why I suggested it. you can 'mkdir /tmp/md0' and mount it there if you prefer |
| 06:42.13 | glick | lol minimu system for j2se is 512MB ram! |
| 06:42.14 | glick | lol |
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| 06:42.17 | glick | what bums! |
| 06:42.30 | frevidar | guerin: is there any way I can copy the text out of a pdf viewer? I'd rather just copy the text when I'm reading it in the viewer. |
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| 06:42.33 | Guerin | the whole bag is that he can't trust his diagnostic and repair tools |
| 06:42.42 | glick | java sdk2 has a minimum system requirement of 512 megs ram |
| 06:42.42 | helo | peterS: but i need to mount the partition on the same directory that i copy the files to? |
| 06:42.50 | nelson | Guerin: yes and no. |
| 06:42.50 | helo | not mount the partition and then copy the files? |
| 06:42.56 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: reason why I suggested VNC Server was that you could watch what I do... therefore 1) Learn 2) Make sure I dont give myself all access.. |
| 06:42.56 | Solet | !aliennuke nelson |
| 06:43.00 | peterS | helo: yeah, you mount onto a directory then 'cp -ax . /to/that/directory' |
| 06:43.15 | Guerin | like, how does he check debsums if he can't trust debsums? How can he check the integrity of dthe debsums package if he can't trust md5 or ar ot gunzip? |
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| 06:43.19 | helo | oh... "after doing" being the important part of those instructions :) |
| 06:43.20 | Solet | :/ damn i fucked up the trigger :( |
| 06:43.28 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: at everyones suggestion here... even that offer has been withdrawn. |
| 06:43.30 | peterS | helo: right, I gave you the instructions in the wrong order |
| 06:43.36 | karsten | How would I use dpgk-divert to specify /lib/tls-broken rather than /lib/tls ? |
| 06:43.39 | helo | got it |
| 06:43.42 | peterS | Solet: that's ok, we've all heard the cliche by now |
| 06:43.42 | Guerin | how does he know that debian.org hasn't been aliased to another domain run by the crqacker? |
| 06:43.42 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Drunk? |
| 06:43.43 | shingouz | Solet: aliensmite i think it was |
| 06:43.43 | stouset | Guerin: put md5sum and cp on a floppy, use off of the floppy :-) |
| 06:43.50 | stouset | Guerin: tcpdump |
| 06:43.56 | stouset | Gurein: on the router :-) |
| 06:44.00 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Heh? You horney? |
| 06:44.13 | Solet | shogouz: you're prolly right... |
| 06:44.15 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: You have to ask? |
| 06:44.20 | karsten | Phated: Sorry. |
| 06:44.24 | nelson | Guerin: you are correct in principle. In practice, at some point you can trust stuff. |
| 06:44.26 | Phated | karsten: Eh? |
| 06:44.36 | karsten | Phated: Canadian? |
| 06:44.43 | stouset | nelson: the problem is, even in practice, you don't know what you can start trusting |
| 06:44.48 | Guerin | nelson: you THINK. |
| 06:44.54 | TwistedEmotions | haha @ canadian comment. |
| 06:45.04 | stouset | nelson: Yeah, you can probably trust dpkg. But do you know? |
| 06:45.09 | Guerin | the only really safe way is to restore from backups. You have backups, right? |
| 06:45.13 | nelson | Guerin: e.g. once I figure out what program is modifying files in /bin, I'll be reasonably confident that my system is clean. |
| 06:45.22 | stouset | nelson: is the effort of reinstalling the system worth the risk of retaining the intruder's access? |
| 06:45.23 | nelson | Guerin: of course. |
| 06:45.27 | Solet | dont you to start again... jesus, take it to #debian-kinkyfreaks |
| 06:45.28 | stouset | nelson: Not at all. |
| 06:45.30 | Guerin | that doesn't sound reasonable to me. |
| 06:45.31 | qwertz | Hi! Trying to connect to a isp with an external isdn box. I see that the box gets a phone line, get "CARRIER DETECTED" but then I get a line of rubbish "[7f][03]@![01]( ![03][05]B#[05][05][06]:MFn[11][04][05]t[13][0e][01]dialoutuserCaught" does that make any sense to anyone here? |
| 06:45.36 | stouset | nelson: How do you know he only had one entry point? |
| 06:46.01 | stouset | nelson: He may have stuff in /etc/passwd, he may have replaced daemons, ssh, login, etc., to give himself access. |
| 06:46.01 | nelson | stouset: how do I know debian does have multiple remote root security lapses? |
| 06:46.06 | karsten | qwertz: connect signal. Sounds like you're getting modem, not DSL. |
| 06:46.12 | shingouz | nelson: Be smart and do a complete nuke and pave on the box |
| 06:46.40 | TwistedEmotions | qwertz: Does your ISDN box have a websetup? As in... can you set it up to login itself and just set it up for DHCP for your box? |
| 06:46.43 | qwertz | karsten, I'm trying to get a modem (ISDN) connection as backup line for our DSL |
| 06:46.47 | nelson | stouset: he had stuff in /etc/passwd (past tense). |
| 06:46.54 | stouset | nelson: The odds of him putting in a backdoor or twenty are infinitely higher than his odds of engineering an exploit. |
| 06:47.02 | helo | nelson: there are way too many things he could have done for you to know you took care of them all |
| 06:47.09 | Guerin | nelson: and he hasn't got something running to replace it at arbitrary intervals |
| 06:47.10 | karsten | qwertz: OK. |
| 06:47.14 | TwistedEmotions | qwertz: Why? How often does your DSL go down? |
| 06:47.19 | qwertz | TwistedEmotions, the ISDN box is just equal to a normal analog modem it gets the normal AT commands |
| 06:47.20 | Guerin | or ssh keys lying around |
| 06:47.26 | nelson | Guerin: exactly. |
| 06:47.29 | karsten | qwertz: man ppp. |
| 06:47.34 | Guerin | nelson: you don't know that. |
| 06:47.41 | karsten | qwertz: ...and/or use a modem on your computer. |
| 06:47.43 | TwistedEmotions | qwertz: Oh.. didnt know. Thought was like my DSL connection. |
| 06:47.48 | Eta | ppp: unknow |
| 06:47.55 | qwertz | TwistedEmotions, whenever Deutsche Telekom tries to add another DSL line to our without order :( |
| 06:47.55 | stouset | nelson: Ever seen a rootkit in action before? |
| 06:47.57 | nelson | Guerin: no, I DO know that! /bin/{fileutils} are being replaced by hacked versions. |
| 06:48.03 | nelson | stouset: what's a rootkit? |
| 06:48.06 | nelson | stouset: (duh)_ |
| 06:48.11 | stouset | nelson: It's not like any of this stuff hasn't been scripted before. |
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| 06:48.26 | frevidar | is there a pdf viewer I can copy text from? |
| 06:48.27 | Guerin | just fucking nuke your box |
| 06:48.30 | Solet | speaking of root hijack... i give 5 bucks to anyone who can get into my machine... i'll even provide ip, router ip, a user and password |
| 06:48.37 | helo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.40 | nelson | Guerin: you mean "just fucking give up" |
| 06:48.45 | Guerin | i don't want spam and hacking attempts just because you're too fucking lazy to fix your shit properly |
| 06:48.48 | Guerin | no |
| 06:48.48 | helo | Solet: i'll take a free account :) |
| 06:48.52 | stouset | nelson: Yes, basically. Learn to know when you've lost. |
| 06:48.53 | polok | what's a light program that I can apt-get to take screenshots (apt-cache search gives me movie players etc and ksnapshot, I'd get that but I'm afraid it'll want all of KDE) |
| 06:49.02 | stouset | nelson: He got in. You lost the minute that happened. |
| 06:49.08 | Guerin | i mean "do the one thing which is guaranteed to make it stop" |
| 06:49.26 | helo | you have been 0wn0r3d, g1v3 uP n0w 0r di30r0r |
| 06:49.30 | stouset | nelson: Admit it, quit trying to be Rambo, and do the only reasonable thing. Find his entry point, nuke the box, then make sure you don't leave the same door open. |
| 06:49.47 | jasoncohen | what's the command to clone another machine's installation? |
| 06:49.50 | TwistedEmotions | *expecting |
| 06:50.04 | stouset | nelson: If you had backups, you could even restore from that, assuming you were confident you know the time of breach. |
| 06:50.10 | jasoncohen | i.e you make a list of every installed package on their machine and install that |
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| 06:50.13 | shingouz | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg cp hd to hd |
| 06:50.32 | TwistedEmotions | qwertz: Cmon man... your ISP calls itself a Dusche.. how much can you expect from it? |
| 06:50.36 | stouset | nelson: But if he got into your system, you don't have backups, and you don't have any *guaranteed* way of knowing what he has done, it's over. He wins. Period. |
| 06:50.37 | shingouz | jasoncohen: oh. --get-selections and --set-selections for dpkg |
| 06:50.38 | nelson | stouset: restoring from backup is highly overrated. Have you ever done it? |
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| 06:50.49 | stouset | nelson: Yes, actually. |
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| 06:51.04 | nelson | stouset: then you know how painful it is. |
| 06:51.10 | nagual | peterS: once i have loaded ehci-hcd and found the chipset, how do i create filesystems and mount my usb thingy ? (its a hd on a usb-card) |
| 06:51.11 | stouset | nelson: Not necessarily. |
| 06:51.13 | helo | peterS: any reason i shouldn't mount md0, and then copy directly to it? |
| 06:51.16 | qwertz | TwistedEmotions, that problem is we haven't signed up with the Telekom but with a local provider but that couldn't stop them |
| 06:51.22 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: Also check out this page.. http://gmail.google.com/support |
| 06:51.27 | peterS | helo: you should. I thought that was what I suggested |
| 06:51.28 | stouset | nelson: It can be easy or difficult, based on the amount you script and how well-prepared you are. |
| 06:51.40 | shingouz | nelson: It is a lot more painful when your box is used to haxx0r the NSA. Nuke the box and be safe |
| 06:51.41 | helo | oh yeah you did, my bad again :) |
| 06:51.57 | Guerin | fdisk and cp -a is not painful at all |
| 06:52.05 | Xinux | TwistedEmotions: That is where I got the FTP info. |
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| 06:52.17 | TwistedEmotions | qwertz: Was just trying to make a joke... I failed... |
| 06:52.18 | Xinux | grrr EMAIL info |
| 06:52.30 | nelson | next time I want help instead of an argument, I'll go to #fedora ..... |
| 06:52.48 | ysothoth | Shut up nelson |
| 06:52.50 | helo | nelson: this is the best advice you could ever get on this topic. |
| 06:53.01 | Solet | can anyone in here try to atleast get a ping to bounce off of the sub ip 192.168.0.102 at my ip? |
| 06:53.03 | nelson | helo: I understand that. I want the second-best advice. |
| 06:53.12 | helo | nelson: these guys are right... and i encourage you to go to #fedora and ask them, they will say the same |
| 06:53.16 | nelson | helo: try very hard not to do the best you can. |
| 06:53.16 | stouset | nelson: Next time you want someone to support you no matter how egotistical and braindead you've become, call your mother. |
| 06:53.16 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: You have those settings in FRONT of you and you still cant setup Thunderbird? Tsk tsk. |
| 06:53.19 | shingouz | nelson: What do you want to hear then? A song and dance? |
| 06:53.30 | Solet | the damn thing is on the router, the router see's it and it sees the router but i cant get apt to connect and i cant get any pings out to the net |
| 06:53.37 | Xinux | TwistedEmotions: all the settings are right |
| 06:53.42 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Where'd you go? I thought I was getting laid. |
| 06:53.47 | Xinux | just the SMTP won't work at all |
| 06:53.47 | Guerin | hell, ask #security |
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| 06:53.54 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: Still no connection? |
| 06:53.58 | TwistedEmotions | Errrrr.. |
| 06:53.59 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: In your dreams. |
| 06:54.00 | Xinux | i can read emailk |
| 06:54.02 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: He was unable to set up Debian too, he likes Mepis and still sits here loooking for answers |
| 06:54.03 | Xinux | just can't send |
| 06:54.09 | nelson | shingouz: well, what I want to know is how do I audit the difference between installed and distributed packages? |
| 06:54.21 | helo | nelson: if you explained that our advice wasn't an option because, perhaps, you don't know how to reinstall, we might help you |
| 06:54.26 | glick | what directory contains firefox plugins? |
| 06:54.31 | stouset | nelson: debsums. Assuming you can trust md5sum. |
| 06:54.36 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: So what was all that caveman talk you tease? |
| 06:54.40 | shingouz | nelson: On a hacked bos there is pretty much noting you can do |
| 06:54.47 | Solet | nelson get a hex editor and do it line by line |
| 06:54.47 | shingouz | s/bos/box |
| 06:54.55 | helo | lol |
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| 06:55.03 | stouset | nelson: Can you trust md5sum? |
| 06:55.05 | nelson | Solet: sorry, my machine doesn't have a front panel. |
| 06:55.05 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: Grrr... I got a headache. Should have used /ignore command. |
| 06:55.07 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: You got me. |
| 06:55.09 | ranto | I need to see the contents of a deb package, but I dont use debian. is it a compressed tar or something? |
| 06:55.13 | nelson | stouset: reasonably confident. |
| 06:55.19 | stouset | nelson: And why do you say that? |
| 06:55.21 | peterS | ranto: it's an ar file with a tar.gz in it |
| 06:55.24 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: I've moved on to greener pastures. |
| 06:55.24 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: What time were you on till last night? |
| 06:55.28 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: REally? :) |
| 06:55.29 | peterS | ranto: actually two tar.gz's in it, you want data.tar.gz probably |
| 06:55.30 | helo | go ahead and download the md5sum source and compile it first |
| 06:55.32 | MobyTurbo | nelson: knowing rootkits you shouldn't be confident. |
| 06:55.37 | Solet | nelson: wtf!? |
| 06:55.38 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Yes. |
| 06:55.39 | glick | where does firefox keep its plugins |
| 06:55.40 | glick | ? |
| 06:55.43 | ranto | peterS: thanks |
| 06:55.55 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Heh? I asked what time? |
| 06:56.08 | shingouz | helo: If the compiler can be trusted |
| 06:56.09 | stouset | nelson: So, you're going to trust your software company's security to a "reasonably confident" guess as to how advanced the guy's rootkit was? |
| 06:56.14 | peterS | ranto: so: ar x filename.deb data.tar.gz then tar xzf data.tar.gz |
| 06:56.16 | nelson | MobyTurbo: knowing rootkits, I'm reasonably confident. |
| 06:56.19 | nelson | stouset: yup. |
| 06:56.23 | helo | peterS: ok, filesystem copied over |
| 06:56.25 | Guerin | you're a fucking idiot |
| 06:56.27 | stouset | nelson: Remind me not to buy your software. |
| 06:56.33 | peterS | helo: right, now you can unmount /home and mount /dev/md0 /home |
| 06:56.34 | MobyTurbo | nelson: then why are you asking questions here? |
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| 06:56.37 | Guerin | you'd be finished already if you'd just fucking restored from backups |
| 06:56.44 | peterS | helo: also unmount the existing location of /dev/md0, I suppose |
| 06:56.46 | nelson | stouset: I'm already trusting my security to debian. |
| 06:56.48 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Yes. |
| 06:56.57 | peterS | helo: come to think of it, that might not work so well because stuff will be using /var |
| 06:56.59 | stouset | nelson: That's pretty laughable. |
| 06:57.03 | nagual | peterS: no answer for me? im gonna have to dock todays paycheck! :) |
| 06:57.04 | helo | yeah |
| 06:57.11 | nelson | MobyTurbo: because I'm trying to persuade you to be helpful rather than argumentative. |
| 06:57.17 | helo | i have a boot cd, maybe i should just boot off of it and edit fstab |
| 06:57.18 | MobyTurbo | !nelson-- |
| 06:57.24 | nelson | !nelson-- |
| 06:57.25 | Guerin | you're beyond help |
| 06:57.30 | TwistedEmotions | hahahah @ Guerin... that's like the fourth fucking idiot comment I've heard from you... getting tired of helping huh? |
| 06:57.34 | nelson | !nelson-- |
| 06:57.36 | stouset | nelson: We've given you help. You refuse to accept it. |
| 06:57.39 | peterS | helo: well, if you change /etc/fstab to say /dev/md0 for /home instead of /dev/hda2, then reboot normally, that ought to work |
| 06:57.42 | Guerin | no, i'm always l;ike this with fucking idiots |
| 06:57.49 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: You'll have to find yourself a new boyfriend. |
| 06:57.52 | helo | *smacks self* |
| 06:58.02 | MobyTurbo | !sunday |
| 06:58.03 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 06:58.14 | helo | ok, brb |
| 06:58.15 | stouset | Crap, it's Sunday already? |
| 06:58.15 | peterS | helo: you *can* wean yourself off /var without rebooting, but it may not be worth the trouble |
| 06:58.19 | stouset | That explains this. |
| 06:58.21 | nelson | stouset: no, you've given me the help you think I need. I'm asking you to give me the help I think I need. |
| 06:58.27 | helo | nah, rebooting is fun |
| 06:58.34 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone want a free AOL CD? |
| 06:58.41 | TwistedEmotions | Just found one in mail. |
| 06:58.43 | MobyTurbo | stouset: it is at least in EDT for the past ~=3 hours. |
| 06:58.45 | Guerin | you clearly think you know better than all of us, so why the fuck do you want our help? |
| 06:58.45 | stouset | nelson: So, you want us to give you the answer you want? |
| 06:58.49 | Solet | nelson: the help you think you need isnt helpful |
| 06:58.49 | TwistedEmotions | It's a GREAT ISP. |
| 06:58.56 | Solet | i've told you how to do what you want to do |
| 06:59.00 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: I've got enough coaster. and yes, that *is* what I use them for - it's not just a cliche, I really do |
| 06:59.01 | Solet | do it line by line with a hex editor |
| 06:59.04 | nelson | Solet: you could let me be the judge of that. |
| 06:59.15 | Solet | its the ONLY FUCKING WAY to do what you THINK YOU NEED TO DO |
| 06:59.15 | peterS | Solet: if you can trust the hex editor (: |
| 06:59.17 | nelson | Solet: nahhh, I prefer keying that kind of stuff in from the front panel. |
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| 06:59.45 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: lol... coaster.. who still uses a coaster you freak of nature. |
| 06:59.46 | Solet | peterS if you pull the machine off the net, download the hex editor with another machine, and install from floppy |
| 06:59.50 | Solet | it should be fine |
| 06:59.54 | nelson | Okay, how about this: if you've never keyed a program into a computer from the front panel, don't bother talking to me. |
| 06:59.56 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: I do. why wouldn't I? |
| 07:00.10 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: do you never keep drinks anywhere but a laminate surface? |
| 07:00.23 | Guerin | !pal nelson |
| 07:00.23 | stouset | nelson: Oooh, that's sensible. |
| 07:00.27 | peterS | Solet: you assume a non-malicious kernel |
| 07:00.35 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: I'm a model... balance on head. |
| 07:00.43 | nelson | stouset: well, it would eliminate answers from lusers. |
| 07:00.45 | shingouz | nelson: If you really are that good you should not be asking stupid questions here |
| 07:00.45 | Phated | peterS: Uber-coaster. :) |
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| 07:00.48 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: I could do that but it's annoying when I lean back in my chair |
| 07:00.48 | Solet | peterS: i assume hes a moron and i'm trying to get him to stfu and go away |
| 07:01.02 | Solet | i'm trying to give him the answer he wants to here so he will go fuck off some where else |
| 07:01.36 | streuner | !pal about AOL |
| 07:01.39 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: <yodavoice> More training you need, impatient one. </yodavoice> |
| 07:01.48 | nelson | shingouz: obviously .deb format is inferior to .rpm format, because I could have done what I wanted with an rpm system hours ago. |
| 07:01.57 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: fortunately, with my AOL CD collection, I don't need the training |
| 07:02.03 | nelson | shingouz: and yes, I'm baiting you .... because you deserve it. |
| 07:02.09 | shingouz | nelson: Obviously it is. Now off to #fedora you go |
| 07:02.14 | streuner | peterS: hehe :-) |
| 07:02.15 | peterS | nelson: yeah, it's so much safer to install rpms on a box you no longer own |
| 07:02.29 | Solet | TwistedEmotions: <div voice="yoda"> would have been better... :P |
| 07:02.32 | nelson | shingouz: if I have to reinstall, it won't be debian..... |
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| 07:02.35 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: not quite accurate actually. I don't use the CDs themselves, I use the fancy tin cases they come in as my coasters |
| 07:02.37 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: LoL.. just kidding... my table is that fake wood crap.. so dont use coaster. |
| 07:02.40 | shingouz | nelson: Good |
| 07:02.51 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: Next time... you yoda. |
| 07:02.52 | nelson | shingouz: I'm glad you agree! |
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| 07:03.04 | peterS | nelson: let me try really hard to troll my eye into shedding a tear for you |
| 07:03.18 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: I got ripped off.. mine is plastic. |
| 07:03.22 | Solet | umm... http://soletscripts.com/aolcd |
| 07:03.27 | nelson | peterS: try sticking your finger into it. |
| 07:03.28 | Solet | i make funny art work out of them |
| 07:03.33 | shingouz | nelson: Just nuke and pave the box FFS and install SCO for all I care |
| 07:03.34 | stouset | nelson: Great. We'd prefer that incompetent folks like yourself not tarnish its reputation. |
| 07:03.34 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: they come in plastic dvd cases now, but for awhile they were using tin things |
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| 07:03.51 | helo | hmm... that didn't work :) |
| 07:03.53 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: yeah I've see those.. |
| 07:04.09 | nelson | stouset: that's why Debian is failing and Ubuntu is succeeding: fewer lusers. |
| 07:04.11 | helo | i don't think my system initialized /dev/md0 as the raid array before it tried to mount it |
| 07:04.13 | peterS | helo: oh? what'd it do? not start up md0? |
| 07:04.27 | helo | do i need to put some info into a config file? |
| 07:04.28 | TwistedEmotions | What's wrong with linspire? I run it... I only hang out in #debian to look smart.. |
| 07:04.29 | shingouz | nelson: #ubuntu in that case. Ask there, maybe they know better |
| 07:04.32 | Solet | rofl @ shingouz |
| 07:04.51 | shingouz | nelson: Hell, it is Debian based after all :p |
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| 07:05.02 | Guerin | linspire = root me harder, pleeeas3!!1 |
| 07:05.02 | nelson | shingouz: oh, really?? I didn't know. |
| 07:05.21 | stouset | Hey nelson. |
| 07:05.25 | TwistedEmotions | does linspire even have bash access? |
| 07:05.25 | shingouz | Bah, enough of the trollfest. |
| 07:05.26 | stouset | I've got some bad news about #fedora... |
| 07:05.27 | nelson | stouset: yes, sir? |
| 07:05.29 | Solet | would some one just find the door's left in this dumbass's machine and nuke it for him >:) |
| 07:05.39 | peterS | helo: you might need a /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf: "DEVICE partitions" "ARRAY /dev/md0" |
| 07:05.48 | shingouz | Solet: That was nasty :) |
| 07:05.58 | nelson | Solet: easier said than done. It's off the air. |
| 07:05.58 | karsten | stouset: Do tell. |
| 07:06.08 | stouset | (03:03:53) stouset: So, folks. |
| 07:06.09 | Solet | shingouz: i'm not nice when i'm annoyed |
| 07:06.12 | stouset | (03:03:56) stouset: Hypothetical question here. |
| 07:06.17 | Solet | ok new idea: |
| 07:06.23 | stouset | (03:04:04) stouset: Say my box is rooted. Rookit is installed. |
| 07:06.24 | Guerin | !paste |
| 07:06.24 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 07:06.28 | stouset | (03:04:11) stouset: What, ultimately, should I do? |
| 07:06.29 | helo | do i need init scripts for mdadm? |
| 07:06.33 | Solet | trace his ip to his physical location, bind him gag him and nuke it on location |
| 07:06.35 | stouset | (03:04:56) AutOPSY: stouset, well weed it out, close all services, and backup your important data if you haven't and probably reinstall. |
| 07:06.39 | stouset | (03:04:58) Bogus8: stouset: you can no longer su to root? |
| 07:06.41 | stouset | (03:05:36) stouset: Compare installed packages to what's inside of RPMs using an md5sum binary I am "reasonably confident" is pristine, or reinstall? |
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| 07:06.44 | stouset | (03:05:47) Bob-Laptop: after taking the machine off line, backup, reinstall, keep your system patched and use better passwords |
| 07:06.46 | peterS | helo: mdadm comes with an init script. the debian package does, I guess I don't know if yours does |
| 07:06.50 | Solet | over 700 people in here someone has got to be within 100 miles of him |
| 07:06.54 | TwistedEmotions | stouset: #flood... |
| 07:06.55 | helo | ruh roh |
| 07:07.05 | nelson | Solet: hehe. Probably not. |
| 07:07.08 | karsten | stouset: Rooted? |
| 07:07.10 | helo | why not portscan him and "fix" it yourself? :) |
| 07:07.12 | peterS | Solet: nobody's within 300 miles of me, that I know of |
| 07:07.12 | debian | stouset: hey, what's the point |
| 07:07.19 | helo | oh yeah, thats illegal. |
| 07:07.25 | Solet | helo: his machine is off the net |
| 07:07.29 | helo | oh |
| 07:07.34 | Solet | helo: i already suggested it |
| 07:07.44 | helo | he seemed like the type who would be ircing from the box :) |
| 07:07.47 | karsten | IRC question: in irssi, connected to multiple servers, how do I specify server+channel to join? |
| 07:07.54 | Solet | helo: i thought so too |
| 07:07.59 | stouset | karsten: No, just proving a point =P |
| 07:08.07 | sdou | hello all sorry to disturb I got a big problem, I can't anymore log in my server. I got error "can't cd to /home/'user' " any idea someone? |
| 07:08.10 | IDC | :D |
| 07:08.10 | peterS | karsten: hit ^X in window 1 until you get to the right server, then use /join |
| 07:08.11 | Phated | karsten: C-x in your control window to switch servers and then join a channel? Otherwise... /help join? |
| 07:08.18 | Guerin | karsten: /join -server #channel |
| 07:08.21 | stouset | Hahahahahahaha |
| 07:08.22 | nelson | helo: try googling for 'russ'. |
| 07:08.25 | stouset | (03:08:00) Bob-Laptop: you could compare the packages but that is a lo of work |
| 07:08.38 | stouset | So much for RPM being so superior you could have done the comparison in a few minutes. |
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| 07:08.42 | stouset | God you crack me up. |
| 07:08.46 | IDC | If i always on windows,but use ssh to my debian server...am i still a Linux user ? ^-^ |
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| 07:09.08 | nelson | stouset: at least I'm good for *something*. |
| 07:09.15 | stouset | nelson: There's always that. |
| 07:09.24 | MobyTurbo | IDC: I think you mispelled "loser" |
| 07:09.26 | peterS | my word. it's russ 'crynwr' nelson we're talking to? you've been around long enough to know better than all this |
| 07:09.27 | nelson | stouset: are you pasting from another channel? |
| 07:09.28 | karsten | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 07:09.36 | stouset | nelson: #fedora. Why do you ask? |
| 07:09.37 | TwistedEmotions | MobyTurbo: haha you ass. |
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| 07:09.39 | IDC | MobyTurbo, lol |
| 07:09.45 | karsten | Phated: Got it. Stop being nice, it's freaking me out. |
| 07:09.46 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 07:09.47 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. |
| 07:09.51 | Phated | karsten: Yes, deary. |
| 07:10.09 | nelson | peterS: yes, I know..... the box is in the colo, and I have no access to it until Mondy, and I really don't want to keep it down all day Sunday. |
| 07:10.12 | Solet | moby leave the fucking !lol trigger alone ffs |
| 07:10.23 | IDC | MobyTurbo, I have a dual boot system on my workstation ,Debian + win :) |
| 07:10.46 | MobyTurbo | IDC: I don't have a Windows partition. |
| 07:10.53 | peterS | nelson: I do feel your pain. seriously, though, with today's rootkits, they'll stick a module in the kernel and then you can't trust *anything* that *any* process does. that's what we're trying to get across here |
| 07:10.53 | Solet | rofl @ TwistedEmotions |
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| 07:11.16 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 07:11.23 | IDC | MobyTurbo, but yet there are something cannot be done without windows <or,they can be done but very difficult> |
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| 07:11.34 | SniperX | Is anyone familiar with setting up Samba shares? |
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| 07:11.48 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: Except for games... like what? |
| 07:11.49 | MobyTurbo | IDC: funny, I seem to feel the opposite. |
| 07:11.51 | streuner | SniperX: #samba |
| 07:11.51 | nelson | peterS: yes, I understand *that* too. |
| 07:11.51 | peterS | nelson: you can get *some* assurance of wiping your system by using trusted binaries copied from somewhere else, to do md5sum checks, but you can't ever really be *sure* until you've booted from a known-untamperable kernel like a CD or something |
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| 07:11.59 | helo | peterS: what do you think about downloading the deb and trying to use the old initscript for my compiled version... or would it be better to try to install the new deb (on woody) |
| 07:12.09 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, for example ...web design |
| 07:12.15 | stouset | peterS: Well, and the problem is also that it's not just packages that can be corrupted. |
| 07:12.16 | TwistedEmotions | Heh? |
| 07:12.24 | TwistedEmotions | Why cant you do webdesign on debian? |
| 07:12.26 | Phated | IDC: Er, no? |
| 07:12.30 | stouset | peterS: Data, too. |
| 07:12.34 | MobyTurbo | IDC: vi index.html |
| 07:12.39 | Phated | HTML is text, y'know. |
| 07:12.40 | nelson | stouset: yes, it's the configuration, too. e.g. /etc/crontab. |
| 07:12.49 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, there is exception though only that if you design a site all in static page |
| 07:12.58 | Gnea | IDC: you are wrong. |
| 07:12.59 | Solet | IDC bluefish is better than vi for html syntax highlight |
| 07:13.01 | stouset | nelson: e.g, find / |
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| 07:13.06 | peterS | helo: check www.backports.org for mdadm, it seems nobse has one for woody. not terribly new but there aren't *that* many features in the package |
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| 07:13.08 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:13.18 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: you can use JavaScript in debian. |
| 07:13.22 | Guerin | unix is a far superior dev platform for html than windows |
| 07:13.24 | helo | ok, cool |
| 07:13.25 | rayen | ? |
| 07:13.26 | nelson | stouset: oh, oops, my find was corrupted. past tense. |
| 07:13.28 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 07:13.33 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: That was worse example ever. |
| 07:13.55 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, But the concepts in all Linux about "You do it by your sights" is still under developed |
| 07:14.04 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: Should have said firefix doesnt support streaming video. |
| 07:14.09 | Gnea | IDC: most of the best webpages out there are developed on *nix systems, without windows. |
| 07:14.10 | peterS | helo: various ones available from apt-get.org too. these may be less trustworthy as they're not built and managed directly by a debian developer |
| 07:14.11 | nelson | peters: yes, I intend to boot from a recover (or install) CD .... but that doesn't help me tonight. |
| 07:14.14 | Guerin | bullshit |
| 07:14.19 | Guerin | it does support streaming video |
| 07:14.24 | Gnea | IDC: such as? |
| 07:14.39 | stouset | nelson: Best bet is just to avoid running public services on the machine until you can be certain nobody's still in it. |
| 07:14.41 | Gnea | IDC: what, specifically, is 'under developed' |
| 07:14.47 | Solet | nelson: if the machine is off the net and out of state how will anything help you tonight? |
| 07:14.48 | Phated | Maybe he's talking about WYSIWYG editors for webpages? |
| 07:14.48 | IDC | Gnea, really ? |
| 07:14.53 | Gnea | IDC: really. |
| 07:15.09 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: Errr... negative... if KNOW how to script then why do you need "Do it by sight?" |
| 07:15.09 | Gnea | IDC: it's not wise to make vague statements without supporting data to back it up. |
| 07:15.17 | stouset | nelson: Hell, do even know whether or not the intruder is still logged in? He could have sniffed your root password while you were coming in to the box, for all you know. |
| 07:15.42 | nelson | stouset: I keep a root session open for exactly that purpose. |
| 07:15.49 | nelson | stouset: and you're right (of course), I don't know. |
| 07:15.51 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: No it doesnt... or at least I couldnt get Yahoo Launchcast to work... and I DOUBLE DARE you to fix it. |
| 07:15.59 | peterS | yeah, 'who' and 'ps' are the *first* commands to be commandeered by rootkits |
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| 07:16.08 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, I cannot agree with you about your last thread ,for example, Virtual C++ and C,you cannot just claim which one is better |
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| 07:16.48 | nagual | peterS: may i humbly ask for an answer to my question above pretty please with sugar on top? |
| 07:16.48 | Gnea | IDC: for instance, if you are curious if there's some sort of GUI application in Linux that can perform web design with things such as CSS built-in, the answer to that is yes. Several options exist, such as mozilla-composer, openoffice, abiword, among others. |
| 07:16.49 | peterS | nelson: you can install and run 'chkrootkit', a debian package, for automated tests against quite a few *known* rootkits. there are obvious problems with this, because it's a very visible target that new rootkits can figure out how to hide from, but it's a start |
| 07:16.51 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: Yeah you can... haha C++ is more powerfull. |
| 07:16.59 | stouset | peterS: I actually had my ass saved one time. One of my machines was rootkitted, but I had a habit of mounting /usr ro. Only way I was able to tell the rootkit was installed is because it didn't overwrite stuff in /usr/bin, and that caused problems with some flags on binaries, making the system bork on scripts. |
| 07:17.10 | Gnea | IDC: have you ever heard of Red Dwarf? |
| 07:17.15 | nelson | peterS: have done, fixed the problems. |
| 07:17.22 | stouset | peterS: Still wiped the machine, but might not even have found out about it without that. |
| 07:17.29 | IDC | Gnea, no,never |
| 07:17.30 | peterS | stouset: ha |
| 07:17.36 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Want to tell me how the faquer to get launchcast working? |
| 07:17.44 | Gnea | IDC: i can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious... |
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| 07:17.55 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I dont doubt you.. I just miss my music videos. |
| 07:18.01 | Guerin | i don't know a fucking thing about launchcast |
| 07:18.04 | Phated | Dang it, why does marillat insist that I have two connections to their host when I -don't-? |
| 07:18.04 | IDC | Gnea, okay,never mind :) |
| 07:18.13 | stouset | Phated: NAT? |
| 07:18.20 | TwistedEmotions | ;( |
| 07:18.29 | Phated | stouset: Elaborate. |
| 07:18.34 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone in here able to watch the music videos on yahoo.com? |
| 07:18.41 | peterS | nagual: best way is to repeat your question. I scrolled up several minutes just now and didn't see it |
| 07:18.46 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: and if it not working when you click on it is what's preventing you from watching your precious music videos, I think you might have bigger problems |
| 07:19.03 | Gnea | IDC: no, not nevermind. i asked you a question and you can't answer it, you asked a question and i backed it up. you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, much less any concept of 'respect' for that matter. |
| 07:19.04 | Phated | peterS: But then we'll have to !tell him about repeat. :) |
| 07:19.13 | stouset | Phated: Well, if it says you have two connections, it's probably just checking by IP address. If others at that IP are using the same server, that'll trigger the flag. |
| 07:19.14 | peterS | Phated: he means your ISP might be NATing you and other customers onto a single IP address. and others might have connections open to this marillat |
| 07:19.21 | Solet | phated: only if some one saw the queston |
| 07:19.30 | stouset | Solet: I did. |
| 07:19.30 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: They hide all the links and shit... dont want to go through their HTML to find the videos... |
| 07:19.40 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: poor baby. |
| 07:19.40 | nagual | peterS: once i have loaded ehci-hcd and found the chipset, how do i create filesystems and mount my usb thingy ? (its a hd on a usb-card) |
| 07:19.43 | Phated | stouset: No one at this particular IP is, but peterS's suggestion has some merit... |
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| 07:19.50 | Guerin | blame javascript and activex, not firefox. |
| 07:20.05 | Phated | peterS: I do however sincerely doubt that there are other people at my ISP using marillat also. |
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| 07:20.07 | Solet | !tell stouset about smartass |
| 07:20.12 | SantaOne | hi |
| 07:20.20 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: not blaming firefox. actually its Windows Media Players fault. |
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| 07:20.24 | stouset | peterS: Yes. His is more likely to be the culprit, then :-) Either that, or it's a marillat fuckup that'll be cleared eventually. |
| 07:20.31 | peterS | nagual: you've got an external USB drive of some sort, then? load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' kernel modules. then it'll show up in /proc/partitions, with any luck |
| 07:20.33 | SantaOne | what is the easiest to use and install DNS Server? I want a local DNS Server for faster Browsing |
| 07:20.49 | Guerin | SantaOne: don't bother. |
| 07:20.49 | frevidar_ | is there a pdf viewer that allows you to copy text from the document whilst reading it in normal format? |
| 07:20.52 | stouset | Solet: Aw. |
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| 07:21.10 | Guerin | SantaOne: dns is non-trivial. |
| 07:21.12 | IDC | Gnea, sorry for my english understanding ...hmm ,yeah you could be right..i was thinking things can be done on Linux ...most of them nowdays but to make it is rather difficult in a way you compare it to them on Windows ...yet many examples have been proved the outcomes would be better appreciated to be down on Linux <i.e. networking related> |
| 07:21.15 | nagual | peterS: thank you as usual for great help, have an even nicer day! |
| 07:21.15 | Xinux | bye everybody |
| 07:21.23 | peterS | nagual: well, first make sure that works |
| 07:21.33 | peterS | nagual: if it shows up in /proc/partitions, then you can mount it as another step |
| 07:21.34 | SantaOne | bye Xinux |
| 07:21.39 | Xinux | bye |
| 07:21.40 | Guerin | IDC: i find WINDOWS difficult to use. |
| 07:21.41 | nagual | peterS: cant access that machine right now, im going over there now |
| 07:21.45 | SantaOne | Guerin: then I need a good tutorial |
| 07:21.45 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: U get thunderbird working? |
| 07:21.48 | MobyTurbo | Phated: if you access their ftp site via a web browser, then attempt to use their ftp debian repository, it will claim that even if you've stopped viewing the site via your browser. The only remedy I know of is to close the browser. |
| 07:21.52 | Xinux | no ill deal with it tomorrow |
| 07:21.55 | Xinux | i'm dead tired right now |
| 07:21.57 | Guerin | SantaOne: dns howto on tldp.org |
| 07:22.01 | Phated | Ah-hah, someone must have gotten off marillat! |
| 07:22.08 | sdou | Any one can tell me how to fetch updates and put them on my server with .deb? |
| 07:22.14 | TwistedEmotions | Xinux: LoL.. kk... U sure you dont want me to do it? hahaha |
| 07:22.18 | peterS | nagual: ok. write this down too then. after loading those modules, you'll see a /dev/sda1 in /proc/partitions. or similar. you can then 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt' to mount it onto /mnt or wherever you wanted it |
| 07:22.21 | Xinux | no lol |
| 07:22.22 | Xinux | bye |
| 07:22.26 | TwistedEmotions | later |
| 07:22.30 | Guerin | piss off already |
| 07:22.33 | IDC | Guerin, The different opnions :) |
| 07:22.52 | SantaOne | thx Guerin |
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| 07:22.52 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin control your anger. |
| 07:22.54 | Gnea | IDC: Linux proved its strength in the networking environment, Windows proved its strength in the desktop environment, it's really that simple - Linux is attempting to do so on the desktop while windows is targetting people's thoughts themselves. |
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| 07:23.06 | Guerin | IDC: my point is that your absolute statements are meaningless. |
| 07:23.14 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: i'm not angry. |
| 07:23.19 | Solet | oh wait |
| 07:23.22 | Solet | nvm |
| 07:23.22 | TwistedEmotions | haha |
| 07:23.26 | Johnsie | Oh geez... |
| 07:23.28 | Johnsie | Here we go. |
| 07:23.29 | peterS | Solet: too late, you can't unpuke |
| 07:23.31 | Solet | thats TwistedEmotions that pukes |
| 07:23.34 | peterS | Solet: at least, if you do, I don't want to watch |
| 07:23.36 | IDC | Gnea, windows is catching up with in network fields though |
| 07:23.39 | Johnsie | Not another high and mightly Linux user. |
| 07:23.43 | Solet | peterS: i can eat it |
| 07:23.44 | Gnea | IDC: exactly. |
| 07:23.45 | Guerin | IDC: hahaha |
| 07:23.46 | helo | peterS: ok, apparently i'm not supposed to have to worry about the raid stuff being initialized if i have md compiled into the kernel (which i do), yet it isn't being initialized. |
| 07:23.49 | peterS | Solet: I told you I didn't want to watch |
| 07:24.04 | Guerin | future windows releases are going to have a crippled tcp stack |
| 07:24.05 | IDC | Guerin, no joke |
| 07:24.09 | Guerin | how is that catching up? |
| 07:24.15 | Guerin | IDC: it's a fucking huge joke. |
| 07:24.17 | peterS | helo: that's the theory. however, I've heard of it failing before. apparently you *do* want to let mdadm do its thing at boot time |
| 07:24.17 | Gnea | heh |
| 07:24.28 | Overand | eh |
| 07:24.31 | Overand | windows is windows |
| 07:24.31 | Cope | Why would I get a make failure: mkdir: cannot create directory `debian/grub/lib/grub/tmp/': No such file or directory; I'm doing debian/rules binary within source tree |
| 07:24.32 | peterS | helo: apparently the kernel raid autodetect algorithm is relatively stupid |
| 07:24.32 | helo | that is true, but you have to ask yourself, "crippled for what purposes which most people will need" |
| 07:24.33 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: at least they have a tcp stck? |
| 07:24.36 | Overand | just leave it at that |
| 07:24.52 | peterS | helo: ALSO, I forgot to tell you earlier. you should run 'cfdisk' and change the partition type of hdc2 to 'raid autodetect' which is type FD or something |
| 07:25.00 | stouset | Cope: first, file a FTBFS bug against the package in the BTS |
| 07:25.07 | Guerin | helo: irrelevant. They're both competing to be the One OS to Rule Them All |
| 07:25.10 | Johnsie | Do you guys/gals discuss Debian at all or just have pissing contests about rootkits and Windows? |
| 07:25.12 | stouset | Cope: assuming you've done an apt-get build-depends first. |
| 07:25.23 | peterS | helo: without partition type FD, the kernel raid autodetect thing *will* fail |
| 07:25.26 | stouset | Johnsie: A little of everything. We also square dance. |
| 07:25.28 | Guerin | Johnsie: stop whining. |
| 07:25.29 | helo | ahh |
| 07:25.31 | peterS | helo: because that's what it looks for |
| 07:25.33 | IDC | okay,sorry ...it would be the best resolution that when you want to warm up room though i didn't mean to do it though |
| 07:25.34 | Solet | Johnsie: ROFLMAO |
| 07:25.45 | Guerin | we sometimes talk about beer a lot, too |
| 07:25.45 | TwistedEmotions | What? |
| 07:25.47 | IDC | Linux room.lol |
| 07:25.49 | Johnsie | <Guerin> IDC: i find WINDOWS difficult to use. |
| 07:25.51 | helo | peterS: ok, that makes sense |
| 07:25.52 | Guerin | and the nasty things we've eaten |
| 07:25.56 | Cope | stouset: yeah done that; but dpkg-buildpackage works fine; I have changed the configure timestamp in the rules file (delibarately) but that's all I've done. |
| 07:25.57 | TwistedEmotions | I missed a pissing contest? Fuck... |
| 07:26.02 | Gnea | Johnsie: if you call debate 'pissing matches' it means you can't see beyond your own nose and appreciate anything. |
| 07:26.13 | peterS | Gnea: pissing matches aren't about your *nose* |
| 07:26.18 | Phated | HAH. |
| 07:26.18 | Johnsie | I think this is why I quit using Debian and went to Gentoo. |
| 07:26.19 | Solet | I missed a fucking contest? Piss... |
| 07:26.19 | Johnsie | LOL |
| 07:26.27 | Gnea | peterS: it is when you can smell it |
| 07:26.28 | Johnsie | No sense of humor. |
| 07:26.32 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:26.33 | Guerin | and then we go on about music and tv shows and whether blade runner or alien is better |
| 07:26.34 | stouset | Cope: It's apparently doing a mkdir when it should probably do a mkdir -p. Check the source for where it's trying to mkdir that folder. |
| 07:26.34 | Gnea | wrong |
| 07:26.35 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:26.47 | Cope | stouset: right. |
| 07:26.55 | IDC | Johnsie, cuz Guerin doesn't use windows at all :) |
| 07:26.58 | Phated | Gentoo have pissing matches too, don't they? About who has more optimising flags? |
| 07:27.08 | peterS | yeah, they do |
| 07:27.12 | Guerin | i have to use it all the fucking time |
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| 07:27.19 | stouset | Phated: No. Some guy whipped out his -Oinfinity and everyone else sort of quieted down. |
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| 07:27.26 | Guerin | it pains me; all I use is a ssh client and firefox, and it STILL hurts |
| 07:27.26 | peterS | stouset: ha |
| 07:27.31 | Phated | That's exactly what a pissing match IS! |
| 07:27.32 | Johnsie | IDC: haha |
| 07:27.44 | peterS | stouset: but did he use -pipe? he might have forgotten! never mind that -pipe doesn't change the code generated |
| 07:27.48 | Johnsie | I just had to raise Hell and troll for five minutes. |
| 07:27.53 | Johnsie | I was told everyone in here was touchy. |
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| 07:27.55 | Johnsie | Sure enough. |
| 07:27.56 | Johnsie | LOL |
| 07:27.58 | Phated | Guerin: Maybe it's the language that makes it so... crap? |
| 07:28.00 | Gnea | "MY THUMBNAIL IS SO OPTIMIZED THAT IT CAN SCRATCH THE SURFACE!$*@#$(" |
| 07:28.01 | Gnea | ... |
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| 07:28.08 | Solet | .great a pissing match about what a pissing match is.... |
| 07:28.16 | Solet | fucking wonderful |
| 07:28.19 | stouset | peterS: It's pretty clear you haven't used Gentoo. You're right, -pipe is great, but the most important part is whether or not you're building with a GCC that was configured with -Oinfinity. |
| 07:28.30 | stouset | peterS: And whether or not *that* GCC was compiled with -Oinifinity. |
| 07:28.31 | Johnsie | LOL Solet |
| 07:28.32 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:28.36 | peterS | Johnsie: if you deliberately troll in here and then think it's funny when people tell you to STFU, you seriously need to get a life. please find one somewhere else. |
| 07:28.55 | Gnea | Johnsie: touchy, yes, that's what happens when our fingers hit the keys on the keyboard ;) |
| 07:29.07 | Phated | Granted, he did turn the conversation to a much more amusing topic. |
| 07:29.10 | Anton74 | In a box with 2 NICs, how can one select which one is eth0/eth1? |
| 07:29.17 | Johnsie | Yeah, the rootkit shit was getting old. |
| 07:29.18 | Solet | aww peterS: leave him alone... like the channel has been productive in the last hour anyway... |
| 07:29.22 | Gnea | Phated: agreed |
| 07:29.26 | peterS | Anton74: best you can do is use 'nameif' which lets you name your nic interfaces arbitrarily |
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| 07:29.49 | nagual | peterS: ok, thanks! |
| 07:29.49 | stouset | Anton74: ifrename |
| 07:29.51 | Johnsie | You guys make it sound like a compromised system is like raping the Virgin Mother Mary. |
| 07:29.53 | Phated | Solet: It has! It got me marillat. By distracting me long enough that whoever else was using it got off. :) |
| 07:30.01 | Gnea | TwistedEmotions: you need more beer |
| 07:30.08 | helo | Johnsie: trusing one is |
| 07:30.11 | Phated | As though he hasn't puked enough. |
| 07:30.11 | Johnsie | err, compromising |
| 07:30.20 | Gnea | ;) |
| 07:30.20 | Anton74 | peterS, stouset: thanks |
| 07:30.28 | peterS | Johnsie: do you have any idea how many spams per hour an 0wned box can send us all? it's only funny when you don't think about it |
| 07:30.40 | Guerin | no |
| 07:30.43 | helo | compromising a system is probably kinda fun |
| 07:30.44 | Solet | anyway i'm off to bed before i kill my wifi card.... |
| 07:30.46 | Johnsie | Oh my... some spam in my inbox. |
| 07:30.48 | helo | but lets not try to extend the analogy |
| 07:30.50 | Johnsie | I'll never sleep again. |
| 07:30.58 | Guerin | leaving a rooted system online is what's bad, not having it rooted itfp |
| 07:31.02 | peterS | Johnsie: please spend your waking hours somewhere else, at any rate |
| 07:31.13 | Guerin | s/waking/wanking/ |
| 07:31.15 | npx | yeah we all get pwnt at least once =( |
| 07:31.17 | Solet | Johnsie: lay off the crack, we have TwistedEmotions and karsten for comentary like that |
| 07:31.19 | peterS | Johnsie: you proved your point. we are possible to troll. please grow up, but until then, spend your childhood in another channel |
| 07:31.33 | Guerin | npx: two kinds of people: those who've been compromised, and those who think they haven't |
| 07:31.42 | Johnsie | hahaha |
| 07:31.44 | npx | hahah |
| 07:31.48 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: You wireless needs water... hydrate it and it will work. |
| 07:31.49 | helo | peterS: ok, that worked. i'm now running /home off of /dev/md0 |
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| 07:32.02 | Solet | TwistedEmotions: rofl.... tard |
| 07:32.07 | Solet | @lart TwistedEmotions |
| 07:32.07 | helo | how do i get it to add /dev/hda2 to the array now? |
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| 07:32.22 | Solet | oh that one was lame |
| 07:32.23 | Solet | @lart TwistedEmotions |
| 07:32.25 | peterS | helo: good good. now mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/hda2 |
| 07:32.32 | Solet | w00t |
| 07:32.47 | peterS | helo: this will cause lots of disk activity as it syncs the data onto hda2. you can watch the progress with 'cat /proc/mdstat' periodically |
| 07:32.56 | TwistedEmotions | *contest |
| 07:32.57 | Johnsie | You spelled madam wrong. |
| 07:32.57 | Guerin | jesus |
| 07:33.03 | peterS | helo: you even get a bar graph |
| 07:33.05 | Johnsie | :D |
| 07:33.17 | peterS | you so funny. oh wait, no you aren't |
| 07:33.18 | Phated | Gross, all that human-burn pollutants on marshmallows. |
| 07:33.26 | helo | oh that is so cool |
| 07:33.32 | Anton74 | ah how beautiful Debian is :) |
| 07:33.36 | stouset | peterS: tail cat /proc/mdstat |
| 07:33.43 | Guerin | !uuoc |
| 07:33.43 | dpkg | uuoc is, like, Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 07:33.44 | stouset | Anton74: How's that? |
| 07:33.48 | peterS | stouset: tail, and /proc, don't work that way (: |
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| 07:34.01 | TwistedEmotions | If this conversation gets any worse I'm switching to #windowsisl33t |
| 07:34.04 | stouset | peterS: Aw, d'oh. |
| 07:34.05 | frevidar_ | what is a linux pdf viewer that allows you to copy text out of the document whilst viewing the document like a pdf? |
| 07:34.11 | stouset | peterS: Erm. |
| 07:34.16 | stouset | peterS: Crap. |
| 07:34.20 | stouset | peterS: *thwacks self* |
| 07:34.24 | Anton74 | stouset: already underway with ifrename |
| 07:34.24 | peterS | stouset: what you want is: while sleep 1; do cat /proc/mdstat; done |
| 07:34.28 | stouset | peterS: watch cat /proc/mdstat |
| 07:34.29 | helo | peterS: so is the info about what makes up /dev/md0 in the partitions that are type FD, or do i need to add the devices to some config file? |
| 07:34.31 | peterS | stouset: or appropriate grep command so you only get one line of /proc/mdstat |
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| 07:34.43 | stouset | peterS: No, I wanted watch. But I said tail, because I was thinking tail -f for some reason. |
| 07:34.44 | helo | because that would be cool. |
| 07:34.50 | peterS | helo: the partitions contain that info |
| 07:34.58 | stouset | Anton74: Ah ;) |
| 07:34.59 | helo | beautiful... |
| 07:35.00 | peterS | helo: you do have to change hda2 to type fd if you haven't already |
| 07:35.03 | helo | yeah |
| 07:35.17 | stouset | Guerin: Thanks for the thwap on the head with uuoc :-) |
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| 07:35.45 | liable | beer O'clock |
| 07:35.46 | Zambba | good morning |
| 07:35.48 | peterS | helo: note that this sometimes causes problems when you move a drive from one system to another, like to recover data or something. the system is very easily confused by the presence of too many partitions that all think they are part of /dev/md3 or whatever |
| 07:35.48 | Guerin | you're terribly welcome |
| 07:35.50 | Solet | the bot needs bofh triggers |
| 07:36.11 | Solet | to attack people who ask bad questions |
| 07:36.26 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: That's Guerins job. |
| 07:36.27 | helo | ok |
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| 07:36.36 | Cope | stouset: yeah, in the install-arch section; add -p now I get the next error! as the files it's trying to move isn't there; I think I know why :-) |
| 07:36.47 | peterS | helo: getting a decent disk-to-disk bandwidth in mdstat? |
| 07:36.51 | Solet | yeah but bofh is cooler... and guerin smells funny |
| 07:37.07 | stouset | Cope: Why's that? |
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| 07:37.16 | helo | about 23M/sec... i'm impressed if that is MB |
| 07:37.23 | Guerin | !annoy Solet |
| 07:37.24 | TwistedEmotions | it's because of the piss contest. |
| 07:37.27 | helo | 23801K/sec |
| 07:37.32 | Zambba | I started installing Debian (sarge netinst) now to my P200 box and accidentally I selected to install KDE and Gnome.When install is ready, i would like to remove them and packages related to them and install XFCE. How can I remove those packages? |
| 07:37.33 | stouset | Solet: Which is exactly why Guerin is perfect for the job. |
| 07:37.42 | Solet | rofl |
| 07:37.46 | Guerin | !test |
| 07:37.47 | dpkg | Yes, guerin, you're still online. |
| 07:37.47 | peterS | helo: not bad at all |
| 07:37.54 | Guerin | someone deleted the annoy command |
| 07:38.03 | stouset | Guerin: To !annoy you, of course. |
| 07:38.11 | npx | Devious |
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| 07:38.14 | TwistedEmotions | Zambba: apt-get remove --purge xserver |
| 07:38.17 | Solet | !confuse guerin |
| 07:38.17 | dpkg | Yes, what are my ferret yesterday, guerin? pants of the dictatorship of swaziland with extra ham |
| 07:38.18 | Guerin | Zambba: /msg dpkg remove gnome and remove kde |
| 07:38.33 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: don't guess. |
| 07:38.35 | stouset | peterS: Is md only for software raid or for hardware raid? I don't have much experience with RAID under Linux, so just asking out of pre-curiosity. |
| 07:38.46 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Err.. Didn't know I was... |
| 07:38.46 | peterS | stouset: software |
| 07:38.52 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: watch and learn a bit more before being an eejit. |
| 07:38.54 | Zambba | okay Guerin :) |
| 07:38.55 | stouset | peterS: Okay, that's what I thought. |
| 07:38.59 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: try that on your own machine. |
| 07:39.14 | Guerin | it won't break anything, I guarantee |
| 07:39.21 | Solet | precuriousity... is that being curious about curiousity... because that sounds like a cat with anxiety problems |
| 07:39.24 | peterS | stouset: with hardware raid, you use some custom tool to configure it, then it presents a single block device to your system which you treat as a normal device (mkfs, etc.) |
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| 07:39.32 | npx | I once had a cat with anxiety problems. |
| 07:39.41 | Cope | stouset: in this source tree, last night I did a test make manually. Got a new source tree, and its fine. |
| 07:39.43 | helo | peterS: is it difficult to set up a boot+root partition in the same way? |
| 07:39.46 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: What do you want me to remove? |
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| 07:39.56 | TwistedEmotions | xserver-xfree86?\ |
| 07:39.57 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: that command of yours won't remove a goddamn thing |
| 07:40.21 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I knew that... assumed he knew packages that needed removing.. |
| 07:40.27 | peterS | helo: root on raid is a little tricky because if kernel raid autodetect fails you don't have a chance for /etc/init.d/mdadm to do its magic |
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| 07:40.42 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: becaiuse if he'd known, he would still have asked. |
| 07:40.45 | npx | hey guerin, do the chinese smoke much weed? |
| 07:40.54 | peterS | helo: however, if you're at the point where you know kernel raid autodetect is working for you, you can do it. same procedure as we went through already |
| 07:40.57 | helo | autodetect is working nicely atm |
| 07:41.00 | Guerin | npx: i don't know, i've never been to china. |
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| 07:41.07 | helo | what about the bootloader? |
| 07:41.17 | npx | I thought you were an english teacher in china? maybe I just smoke too much weed... |
| 07:41.18 | llama32 | http://203.134.89.79/fxui/ <--- my GUI system |
| 07:41.22 | polok | how would I be able to test my soundcard? |
| 07:41.32 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: If he installed GUI then he must have known what packages he install... so just install in reverse.. |
| 07:41.33 | Eta | what GUI? |
| 07:41.35 | Guerin | polok: cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
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| 07:41.43 | Eta | y-window |
| 07:41.46 | stouset | Guerin: To hear the voice of god :-) |
| 07:41.48 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: you're a fucking idiot. Read his question. |
| 07:41.59 | Guerin | stouset: the real free software song |
| 07:42.06 | peterS | helo: which boot loader are you using? lilo and grub treat these things a little differently |
| 07:42.16 | helo | better fucking than celibate (sp) |
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| 07:42.21 | helo | lilo |
| 07:42.29 | Solet | guerin: dont let TwistedEmotions read questions... he may try to answer them... |
| 07:42.30 | Eta | boot |
| 07:42.30 | Guerin | npx: i'm in korea, and no, there is practically no recreational drug use scene here. |
| 07:42.38 | Guerin | apart from booze and smokes |
| 07:42.41 | TwistedEmotions | Ohhh... well thats what he gets for selecting wrong packages... |
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| 07:43.02 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: yeah.. listen to Solet |
| 07:43.03 | stouset | llama32: Lot of work ahead of you, it looks like :-) |
| 07:43.22 | peterS | helo: hmm, lilo in woody doesn't have special raid support, I believe. so it's a little bit nontrivial. lilo on newer versions of debian handles it with just one extra config line, I think |
| 07:43.23 | llama32 | stouset: yep, and lots of credit from my CS teacher :) |
| 07:43.33 | helo | hmm |
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| 07:43.36 | Eta | s/:)/:(/ |
| 07:43.37 | stouset | llama32: Haha. |
| 07:43.41 | Solet | guerin: bad coffee and no crack? wow your life must suck no wonder you know so much about linux :P |
| 07:43.45 | Guerin | llama32: you're writing a window manager? |
| 07:43.49 | stouset | llama32: Where are the wobbly windows? :-( |
| 07:43.51 | peterS | helo: the trick is to have the system bootable no matter which drive is present, in case only one is, right? |
| 07:43.55 | Guerin | Solet: hell no, my life is sweet. |
| 07:43.58 | Phated | stouset: Hah, those are great. |
| 07:44.16 | Solet | step 1/12: denial |
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| 07:44.41 | helo | peterS: yes |
| 07:44.45 | polok | Guerin: God spoke to me. Thanks :D |
| 07:44.48 | llama32 | guerin: its not a window manager, well i guess it is, but not like xfce4, its a windowing system (like X) |
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| 07:44.55 | npx | haha man, a buddy of mine got really plastered and was making a scene in a hotel... so I showed up to extract him, and he's on his bed wearing a thong groaning "crank's my only hope!" |
| 07:44.55 | Guerin | Solet: hell, I've already been throught all those steps - been here two and a bit years |
| 07:45.06 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: his disease is called debian dependency.. cause by 3 things 1) Living in korea 2) Bad coffee 3) Lack of sex |
| 07:45.06 | Guerin | llama32: oh, I just read the blurb |
| 07:45.21 | peterS | helo: the difficulty is that lilo must install a small portion of itself into the master boot record, which it'll only do on one drive. it puts more of itself in /boot/map, which will be on both drives, but that doesn't really help you |
| 07:45.37 | Solet | rofl @ TwistedEmotions |
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| 07:45.48 | npx | from what I can gather, $5 USD in korea goes a long way towards getting laid... |
| 07:45.51 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: what would you know about sex? That you didn't learn on the internet, of course. |
| 07:46.04 | Guerin | npx: way more than that. |
| 07:46.05 | peterS | Guerin: there's more to sex than you can read on the internet? (: |
| 07:46.17 | helo | peterS:yay recovery finished |
| 07:46.20 | Solet | pfffft |
| 07:46.25 | Guerin | npx: ~US$40-100 is the going rate, as I understand |
| 07:46.28 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Library books... DUHHHH |
| 07:46.40 | Guerin | peterS: so i have discovered! |
| 07:47.03 | Phated | Are you -nuts-? |
| 07:47.12 | Juggernut | google does THAT now? |
| 07:47.12 | Phated | Actually, you probably are. |
| 07:47.13 | helo | is there some command to completely refresh a console screen with curses stuff running? |
| 07:47.16 | peterS | helo: heh. so. with a newer version of lilo, you can just specify additional MBRs for lilo to install itself into (/dev/hdc as well as /dev/hda) and you're good to go. I forget the exact option but it's not difficult |
| 07:47.19 | Solet | wow... i feel retarded... fooling around with all those ugly bitches in highschool when i just coulda done this.... |
| 07:47.27 | Guerin | helo: ctrl-l might work |
| 07:47.29 | TwistedEmotions | Solet: !sex |
| 07:47.35 | peterS | helo: many curses apps accept the ctrl-L keystroke for this purpose. but that's per-app |
| 07:47.36 | helo | thanks, that did it |
| 07:48.14 | helo | peterS: would it happen to be -x auto? |
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| 07:48.30 | Solet | omfg @ !sex |
| 07:48.33 | helo | my lilo man page mentions an option for raid installations |
| 07:48.40 | TwistedEmotions | Solet ;) |
| 07:48.41 | peterS | helo: does that exist in your version of lilo? then yes |
| 07:48.51 | peterS | helo: I thought woody lilo was too old for that |
| 07:48.55 | helo | good |
| 07:49.17 | TwistedEmotions | Is there any way of getting lilo to automatically pick up settings from Grub? |
| 07:49.22 | peterS | helo: or, 'raid-extra-boot=/dev/hdc' just after 'boot=/dev/hda' in /etc/lilo.conf |
| 07:49.30 | peterS | helo: (I don't trust 'auto' for this stuff (: ) |
| 07:49.33 | TwistedEmotions | I want lilo but dont want to setup.. |
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| 07:50.08 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: no, you have to write a lilo.conf yourself. after you've been around as long as I have this is a 2-minute exercise with no RTFMing, but of course if you haven't it's a bit more of a process |
| 07:50.41 | Solet | peterS wouldnt it be RingTFM? |
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| 07:51.07 | peterS | Solet: verb phrases that become acronyms usually retain their status as atomic verbs |
| 07:51.19 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: My setup is gay and I dont know how to set it up.. dont feel like reading man lilo either ;( |
| 07:51.37 | Solet | but its not an acronym, its just an abreviation... it cant be pronounced |
| 07:51.44 | Guerin | it's an acronym |
| 07:51.48 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: is there anything complicated about it? if not I can probably quote you a working lilo.conf without much problem |
| 07:51.53 | Guerin | it doesn't need to be pronounceable |
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| 07:52.09 | Solet | to be an acronym it does |
| 07:52.15 | Guerin | bullshit |
| 07:52.16 | Solet | otherwise its just an abbreviation |
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| 07:52.29 | peterS | Solet: I certainly pronounce it. I do so by pronouncing the individual letters, but I don't see why that matters to how I pluralise it |
| 07:52.40 | peterS | Solet: sorry, conjugate it |
| 07:52.57 | glick | Guerin, you in north korea? |
| 07:53.01 | Solet | *shrug* its 3am... my brain has gone from dead to goofy |
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| 07:53.18 | stouset | Guerin: He's right :-) |
| 07:53.22 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: hda (0,0) is windows (bootable) ... hdb (1,0) is windows... hdd(2,) is Linux... 2.6.10-1-686-smp Kernel. |
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| 07:53.25 | Guerin | glick: what an idiotic question. You must be in the US. |
| 07:53.36 | stouset | Guerin: Acronyms need to be pronounceable as a word. Otherwise, they're abbreviations. |
| 07:53.36 | Guerin | stouset: not according to wikipedia |
| 07:53.44 | Guerin | initialisms |
| 07:53.44 | glick | Guerin, why is that? |
| 07:53.46 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: so, hdd(2,) is /dev/{what then}? |
| 07:53.53 | Guerin | This distinction is supported by many dictionary definitions, but not by all. |
| 07:53.56 | streuner | You ever saw someone from N. Korea here? ... |
| 07:53.57 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: /dev/hdc? /dev/hdd? /dev/hde? |
| 07:54.00 | glick | you could be one of the few high rankig north korean officials that has internet access |
| 07:54.17 | Guerin | oh, fuck off |
| 07:54.18 | stouset | Guerin: Fair enough. |
| 07:54.19 | glick | jim kim il has internet access |
| 07:54.23 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: /dev/hdd1 * 1 19737 158537421 83 Linux |
| 07:54.27 | Guerin | you clearly know nothing about north korea |
| 07:54.28 | a-plu | can any one here get me a g-mail account? |
| 07:54.29 | stouset | glick: Kim Jong-Il. |
| 07:54.34 | llama32 | anyone know why textures like in riscos (http://toastytech.com/guis/riscos4lotsofwins.gif) arent used in any new GUIs? |
| 07:54.37 | Guerin | a-plu: practically anyone can, yeah. |
| 07:54.43 | Eta | ha ha ha |
| 07:55.01 | Eta | nice g-mail |
| 07:55.02 | TwistedEmotions | glick: That was just ignorant. |
| 07:55.16 | stouset | llama32: 'cause they look like piss? :-) |
| 07:55.17 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: so. boot=/dev/hda root=/dev/hdd1 prompt timeout=100 other=/dev/hda1 label="Windows" image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-1-686-smp label="Linux" |
| 07:55.17 | Eta | good job,uncle sams |
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| 07:55.23 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: double space means newline |
| 07:55.23 | glick | whateva the guys freakin name is |
| 07:55.26 | evilissimo | hi |
| 07:55.27 | glick | its besides thepoint |
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| 07:55.35 | streuner | glick: most people are just too poor to get i-net access |
| 07:55.36 | Guerin | glick: Gunther V Busch has too |
| 07:55.43 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: add "default=Linux" if you don't want Windows to be the default |
| 07:55.46 | stouset | llama32: Once GNOME gets support for cairo in 2.12, you should see things like that, but algorithmically-created rather than from a static bitmap. |
| 07:55.47 | streuner | glick: in north korea |
| 07:55.52 | a-plu | Guerin: how? |
| 07:55.54 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: change timeout=100 to something shorter if you think 10 seconds is too long to choose an OS |
| 07:56.05 | Guerin | a-plu: fgi |
| 07:56.10 | streuner | glick: same situation in africa |
| 07:56.15 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: also, I forgot, since you're using a debian kernel: |
| 07:56.22 | glick | streuner, i thought it was because the government doesnt allow people to have inet access |
| 07:56.25 | a-plu | Guerin: what do u mean by that |
| 07:56.25 | llama32 | stouset: what is cairo? ive heard it mentioned before... |
| 07:56.27 | Guerin | !fgi a-plu how+can+i+get+a+gmail+account |
| 07:56.28 | dpkg | a-plu: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=how+can+i+get+a+gmail+account |
| 07:56.28 | Eta | the poor man can use "free" wireless |
| 07:56.29 | helo | peterS: hmm... well there is a -x auto option that has something to do with raid, but raid-extra-boot is not in my manpage |
| 07:56.35 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: after image=/boot/vmlinuz-* you need initrd=/boot/initrd-2.6.10-1-686-smp |
| 07:56.46 | helo | peterS: is a backport of lilo likely to be found? |
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| 07:56.47 | stouset | llama32: vector graphics api |
| 07:56.54 | Guerin | it's both |
| 07:56.56 | peterS | helo: is it in 'man lilo.conf' ? |
| 07:57.12 | helo | peterS: no |
| 07:57.22 | streuner | glick: some countries in 'western' world allow only a few hours (i-net) and they aren't poor... |
| 07:57.29 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: #flood |
| 07:57.33 | Guerin | there's no infrastructure, there's not enough money, they don't import hardware, and the government won't allow its citizens to do a damn thing |
| 07:57.38 | glick | streuner, those countries are bums |
| 07:57.38 | peterS | helo: odd. -x and raid-extra-boot mean the same thing. I don't see why you'd have the one but not the other. but I haven't used woody in some tiem |
| 07:57.43 | Solet | ummm the dude that wanted gmail: whats your email addy? |
| 07:57.55 | Guerin | he doesn't have one |
| 07:58.01 | Guerin | duh |
| 07:58.05 | helo | peterS: i'll try running lilo with that option |
| 07:58.18 | glick | Solet, you pushin gmail addresses for drugs again? |
| 07:58.48 | Solet | glick: no but i have like a billion invites |
| 07:59.12 | Solet | where'd the little fuck that wanted the invite go |
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| 08:00.04 | helo | peterS: Fatal: not a RAID install, 'raid-extra-boot=' not allowed |
| 08:00.09 | Solet | a-plu: whats your email addy you fucket head? |
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| 08:00.36 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: so apt-get remove (--purge or no?) grub then apt-get install lilo? |
| 08:00.38 | peterS | helo: it realises that /boot is not a raid partition |
| 08:00.54 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: or you can do it in one step: apt-get install lilo grub- |
| 08:00.58 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: the trailing - means remove |
| 08:01.03 | helo | oh, i need to chage the type |
| 08:01.06 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: kk |
| 08:01.09 | TwistedEmotions | thanks. |
| 08:01.10 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: and I wouldn't --purge because it's nice to have your grub config to look at |
| 08:01.47 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: kk |
| 08:01.49 | Guerin | you don't even need to remove it |
| 08:01.50 | helo | is it safe to change the type of a partition while it is mounted (to raid autodetect) |
| 08:01.57 | Guerin | just change the boot sector |
| 08:02.09 | peterS | helo: yeah, the OS won't clobber the partition table |
| 08:02.15 | peterS | helo: or vice versa |
| 08:02.52 | a-plu | Solet: aplumley@hotmail.com |
| 08:02.52 | Solet | if any one see's a-plu, tell him he's a fuckit head because i was gonna give him a gmail account, but i'm going to bed |
| 08:02.59 | Solet | oh... finally |
| 08:03.01 | Solet | you dan |
| 08:03.06 | Solet | er |
| 08:03.07 | glick | C# sucks |
| 08:03.09 | Solet | damn near missed me |
| 08:03.11 | glick | say that 5 times fast |
| 08:03.12 | TwistedEmotions | So I dont need to do any mount shit right? Just setup that as my config file and I'm good to go? |
| 08:04.07 | peterS | glick: C# does not suck. it's a better java than java will ever be |
| 08:04.12 | Solet | a-plu: when people go out of there way to do you favors try being a little more punctual... |
| 08:04.18 | Solet | a-plu: invite sent |
| 08:04.32 | glick | python is the best java! |
| 08:04.45 | helo | aye! |
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| 08:04.55 | glick | can you say "python pwns"? |
| 08:05.01 | mhall | g'day all |
| 08:05.25 | Solet | i have 49 left |
| 08:05.25 | nevyn | hrm |
| 08:05.28 | a-plu | Solet: thx alot i'm sorry i am talking to my friend |
| 08:05.33 | helo | i think they are pretty worthless |
| 08:05.39 | npx | wow, someone giving credit where it's due to a MS invention |
| 08:05.54 | glick | really i dont see the benefit of java or C# over python |
| 08:05.55 | mhall | npx: which MS invention? There is one? ;-) |
| 08:05.56 | helo | npx: peterS knows his shit :) |
| 08:05.59 | glick | maybe im missing something |
| 08:06.04 | evilissimo | Solet, gmail does not long exist |
| 08:06.17 | mhall | glick: One really obvious one. People use Java and C#. |
| 08:06.17 | Solet | evilissimo: what? |
| 08:06.17 | evilissimo | Solet, it is now called google mail ^^ |
| 08:06.20 | npx | Once C# has a good cross-platform UI toolkit, I'll be seriously considering it |
| 08:06.27 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: where does that config file go ? /usr/sbin/liloconfig ? |
| 08:06.31 | glick | python can seem to do everything java can do only better and easier |
| 08:06.32 | peterS | npx: hey, I've used C#. it's seriously not a bad language |
| 08:06.36 | timo_ | i'd like a small howto on how to .tar.gz a whole directory |
| 08:06.38 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: /etc/lilo.conf |
| 08:06.38 | evilissimo | Solet, because someone got the rights on gmail |
| 08:06.39 | mhall | glick: When you work in a corporation, code maintainability is important. |
| 08:06.48 | spdf | timo_, Man. |
| 08:06.53 | Solet | evilissimo: i'm sorry but i'm logged in right now, and my browser title still says gmail... thank you have a fuckoff day |
| 08:06.54 | npx | I've given it a cursory examination |
| 08:06.54 | evilissimo | Solet, ( on the name ) |
| 08:06.59 | MobyTurbo | glick: Java or C# are faster than Python, that's about the only benefit. |
| 08:07.00 | glick | mhall, python is unmaintainaable? its not like im suggesting perl |
| 08:07.03 | npx | but my fear is that it's going to be slow as hell |
| 08:07.04 | helo | timo_: tar czvvf directory.tar.gz directory |
| 08:07.20 | glick | MobyTurbo, not true |
| 08:07.22 | npx | You can profile your Python code and rewrite slow portions in C/C++ |
| 08:07.23 | timo_ | helo: thanks! |
| 08:07.25 | glick | ever hear of jython? |
| 08:07.26 | mhall | glick: But don't see me as defending either of these. I do not believe in C# or Java. They are non-free and some day it's possible your code will quite working. |
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| 08:07.30 | peterS | npx: ok, I haven't done speed comparisons. my only C# app so far is for work, and it's a GUI-based thing so speed isn't noticeable |
| 08:07.41 | cafuego | !lart people who use 'v' with tar. |
| 08:07.42 | mhall | glick: Not many people can code in Python yet. |
| 08:07.47 | glick | mhall the java specs have been realeased |
| 08:07.53 | nevyn | heh |
| 08:07.55 | mhall | glick: I'm not saying this downside is Python's fault. |
| 08:07.56 | MobyTurbo | glick: even Java's huge library can be used by jython... |
| 08:07.57 | Solet | dude, the title, the domain, the title image, everything still says gmail... sorry try again |
| 08:08.03 | mhall | glick: The specs are insufficient. |
| 08:08.04 | glick | anyone can write a java interpreter |
| 08:08.19 | nevyn | cafuego: over ssh at 9600 |
| 08:08.24 | mhall | glick: I refuse to use any language that does not have a free compiler or interpreter. |
| 08:08.36 | helo | cafuego: i've been doing czvvf for many years... is it unneeded or something? |
| 08:08.47 | npx | peterS, When there's a windows forms port to linux, and it actually works, then C# will be THE language |
| 08:08.48 | glick | i thought java did |
| 08:08.51 | peterS | helo: the v doesn't do anything but spew information about what tar is doing |
| 08:08.51 | mhall | glick: Also, as a rule I dislike languages that cannot be compiled. |
| 08:08.54 | glick | i thought java was free? |
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| 08:09.00 | peterS | helo: 'tar cf' works fine and says nothing at all |
| 08:09.05 | TwistedEmotions | peterS should I delete all the other shit in the default file? |
| 08:09.07 | glick | mhall, python can be compiled into byte code |
| 08:09.07 | mhall | glick: Sun's Java runtime is not free. |
| 08:09.12 | Guerin | glick: the SPEC is free. the only functional implementation is sun's non-free one. |
| 08:09.17 | Guerin | jesus |
| 08:09.18 | mhall | glick: You cannot get the source code to it. |
| 08:09.19 | evilissimo | Solet, maybe it's in germany only |
| 08:09.26 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: I would. you might look through it and see if any of it looks interesting |
| 08:09.29 | Guerin | fucking learn a little bit about what you're talking about |
| 08:09.36 | timo_ | why is 'v' a strange option |
| 08:09.36 | evilissimo | Solet, https://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/images/googlemail.gif |
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| 08:09.42 | Gathond | helo: v makes it print stuff, so it makes you get that warm fuzzy feeling of: wauw my computer does stuff |
| 08:09.42 | npx | Calling sun's java implementation 'functional' is a bit of an overstatement =) |
| 08:09.42 | mhall | Guerin: Even if the spec were not free, it would be trivial to recreate. |
| 08:09.50 | coywolf | how to create debian package? |
| 08:09.58 | mhall | Guerin: Get the function listings, make them take the same arguments and do the same crap. |
| 08:09.59 | nevyn | npx: how about buggy. |
| 08:10.07 | Guerin | mhall: but the compilers, interpreters, etc. aren't so simple. |
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| 08:10.07 | peterS | coywolf: read everything in www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 08:10.12 | mhall | Guerin: By this method any language could be recreated at a source level. |
| 08:10.16 | helo | ahh, i think i get it |
| 08:10.18 | peterS | coywolf: warning, it'll take you awhile |
| 08:10.25 | mhall | Guerin: I do not really care overly much about the ABI level. |
| 08:10.31 | glick | im a big python advocate |
| 08:10.33 | glick | its a nice language |
| 08:10.33 | helo | the 'UNIX WAY' is that programs won't spit out info if everything goes as planned |
| 08:10.35 | Guerin | so we see |
| 08:10.40 | helo | so the vv is going against that |
| 08:10.45 | coywolf | peterS, is it a better way to make package than install from source? |
| 08:10.45 | peterS | helo: "no news is good news" |
| 08:10.45 | Guerin | yes |
| 08:10.48 | MobyTurbo | mhall: well, you might end up with a working language, but not a very efficient one unless you know bleeding-edge compiler writing techniques for Java. |
| 08:10.48 | mhall | Guerin: Honestly Java would work better if it used the C/C++/ELF ABI. |
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| 08:10.57 | timo_ | helo: i see |
| 08:10.57 | npx | I use python for all things web-related |
| 08:11.01 | peterS | coywolf: depends on what you want to make the package *from* |
| 08:11.02 | coywolf | peterS, is it a better way to make package oneself than install from source? |
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| 08:11.12 | stouset | G'nite, folks. |
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| 08:11.14 | npx | because it's the only language I know that I can write in *nearly* as fast as I can imagine |
| 08:11.15 | timo_ | helo: but when compressing 25gb you'd want to see some output |
| 08:11.18 | MobyTurbo | mhall: if it's as trivial as you say there would already be a free Java compiler. |
| 08:11.18 | coywolf | peterS, the package is in source code form |
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| 08:11.32 | helo | timo_: but you might lose relevant errors/warnings in the jumble |
| 08:11.33 | MobyTurbo | s/a free/a useful free/ |
| 08:11.33 | Guerin | timo_: i wouldn't |
| 08:11.35 | hayden | how do i add marillat to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 08:11.38 | peterS | coywolf: well, making the package before installing it is more effort, certainly. it will make it easy to uninstall the package later if you wish. |
| 08:11.42 | timo_ | oki |
| 08:11.44 | mhall | MobyTurbo: Well the trick is, all of the current ones try to maintain ABI / object compatibility. |
| 08:12.00 | peterS | coywolf: most software does have debian packaging available already *somewhere* in the world. check www.apt-get.org for example. |
| 08:12.01 | MobyTurbo | mhall: gcj doesn't. |
| 08:12.05 | glick | java just has some rediculous things that i cant get over |
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| 08:12.12 | TwistedEmotions | How do you select all using nano? |
| 08:12.12 | mhall | MobyTurbo: It did according to the reference I read. |
| 08:12.19 | Guerin | coywolf: look at checkinstall |
| 08:12.28 | mhall | MobyTurbo: It allows you to have modules in the code that are Sun-style jars or classes. |
| 08:12.30 | Goshawk | hi to all, i need help with alioth: please see http://alioth.debian.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=301586&group_id=1&atid=200001 |
| 08:12.43 | glick | like for instance anonymous classes defined inside function parenthasis |
| 08:12.45 | Gathond | timo_: why, seeing the output only makes it slower, and consider looking at 25 GB worth of filenames over a slow ssh session |
| 08:12.46 | MobyTurbo | mhall: Oh, I see. |
| 08:12.52 | glick | just makes for extremely ugly ass code |
| 08:12.58 | liable | hayden: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 08:12.58 | mhall | MobyTurbo: Also, apparently damn near everything except Swing already works decently. |
| 08:13.12 | npx | man, why can't the guys who write games understand the adhering to the LFS is a good idea? |
| 08:13.12 | glick | that and the fact that EVERYTHING has to be an object and allocated from the heap |
| 08:13.21 | peterS | glick: have you looked at C#? it seems a lot more elegant than java overall |
| 08:13.24 | mhall | MobyTurbo: and GUI library is a different problem from code parsing |
| 08:13.35 | coywolf | peterS, will the external package conflict with the offical package? like i've installed xfce4.2 , but debian offical is xfce4.0, so when offical xfce4.2 is out, can i upgrade to it? |
| 08:13.40 | glick | peterS, nah never looked into c# |
| 08:13.57 | Guerin | coywolf: /msg dpkg /usr/local |
| 08:14.14 | IDC | brb |
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| 08:14.22 | npx | peterS, it seems dumb to me that MS would release a virtual machine for one operating system on one platform, you know? (I know theres an FBSD port, but does it have a UI library?) |
| 08:14.39 | mhall | coywolf: This will depend on how the outside package was made. |
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| 08:14.54 | mhall | coywolf: But I would suggest wiping it from the system first. |
| 08:15.10 | mhall | coywolf: You won't lose your settings since they are stored in the dot files anyhow. |
| 08:15.15 | glick | what the hell does sun still do |
| 08:15.21 | glick | besides push their shitty java |
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| 08:15.23 | coywolf | mhall, how wiping ? i've removed it from source.list, is it enough? |
| 08:15.26 | MobyTurbo | npx: it's a Bad Thing to install rotor, the MS fbsd C#. It's severely encumbered. |
| 08:15.31 | npx | Sun makes *great* workstations |
| 08:15.34 | mhall | glick: They ignore Linux until they go away. |
| 08:15.35 | glick | and sell x86 hardware with their logo painted on it |
| 08:15.45 | mhall | npx: not so much anymore |
| 08:15.58 | glick | and push their half decent solaris |
| 08:16.06 | npx | Their 550mhz boxen seem just as fast as my xp 2700+ |
| 08:16.06 | glick | what a bum of a company |
| 08:16.18 | mhall | npx: Not my experience. |
| 08:16.21 | nar | What changes need to be made to /etc/apt/sources.list in preperation for sarge changing from testing to stable? |
| 08:16.24 | npx | I didn't do any real, conclusive benchmarking, on them, mind you |
| 08:16.53 | npx | one less comma too. |
| 08:16.54 | mhall | npx: At work our Sun 6800s just choke to death with 24 procs on data that a 4-chip 2.5 ghz Opteron would scream on. |
| 08:16.58 | Guerin | !sarge upgrade path |
| 08:16.58 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades will work once sarge stabilises: If your sources.list says "woody", you'll stay with woody. If it says "sarge", you'll upgrade to sarge. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to sarge, the new stable. If it says "testing", your sarge box will upgrade to etch, the new testing. Any questions? |
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| 08:17.11 | helo | nooo! |
| 08:17.15 | mhall | coywolf: You have to issue dpkg commands to uninstall each package you installed that was unofficial. |
| 08:17.16 | helo | peter left! |
| 08:17.35 | mhall | coywolf: Removing the package archive location from sources.list only prevents the downloading of newer versions. |
| 08:17.37 | peterS | me? |
| 08:17.46 | mhall | coywolf: It does not remove the versions already installed |
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| 08:17.51 | npx | mhall, Sun does sell opteron boxes now =) |
| 08:17.57 | helo | hmm... that was odd |
| 08:17.59 | coywolf | mhall, i installed them though source.list |
| 08:18.02 | mhall | npx: For more than they're worth. |
| 08:18.03 | helo | irssi wasn't finding your nick with autocomplete |
| 08:18.15 | helo | ok, i'm trying to add /dev/hda1, but it is saying it can't because it has active inodes |
| 08:18.20 | mhall | coywolf: IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW THEY GOT THERE |
| 08:18.25 | npx | mhall, I can't comment on that, because I'm not really familiar with their support plan |
| 08:18.28 | glick | yeah sun is useless now pretty much |
| 08:18.31 | peterS | helo: is it still mounted? it shouldn't be |
| 08:18.35 | helo | (i'm running off of md1 and md0) |
| 08:18.37 | glick | their basically a pc reseller |
| 08:18.37 | helo | nope, not mounted |
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| 08:18.54 | peterS | helo: so you're running on a degraded md1 as your root filesystem? |
| 08:18.58 | helo | yeah |
| 08:19.00 | superlinux | hi all |
| 08:19.05 | positrix | etch sound lilke a pretty crap name.. im just going to call it "testing" |
| 08:19.21 | mhall | coywolf: what you should do is, before you install debian XFCE, you should use apt-get remove --purge or dpkg --purge to remove the packages by hand |
| 08:19.24 | glick | whats the new testing gonna be called? |
| 08:19.24 | Guerin | positrix: because cool names are way the most important thing about a distro |
| 08:19.32 | Guerin | glick: can you read? |
| 08:19.33 | peterS | helo: and 'mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/hda1' is giving you grief? weird |
| 08:19.47 | helo | should my lilo config still say root=/dev/hda1? |
| 08:19.51 | mhall | apt, nickometer etch |
| 08:19.51 | nar | Guerin: That I understand. I have testing in there currently, I want sarge, so my security entry is "http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates" |
| 08:19.58 | helo | yeah, that command exactly |
| 08:19.59 | positrix | Guerin: of course. |
| 08:20.02 | glick | its gonna be called "Etch"? |
| 08:20.02 | mhall | positrix: 'etch' is 0.000% lame |
| 08:20.05 | helo | only md1 is my root :) |
| 08:20.11 | peterS | helo: if it says root=/dev/hda1 then your root partition is probably still /dev/hda1 |
| 08:20.12 | Guerin | nar: ok. and change 'testing' to 'sarge' elsewhere |
| 08:20.12 | coywolf | mhall, can't i do that though aptitude? |
| 08:20.18 | mhall | coywolf: sure |
| 08:20.21 | peterS | helo: never mind what's in /etc/fstab, fstab is not read until *after* root is mounted |
| 08:20.27 | helo | peterS: ahh |
| 08:20.32 | mhall | coywolf: all of the debian package tools perform the same functions on the inside |
| 08:20.47 | helo | peterS: i'm just scared to change lilo to rely upon /dev/md1... would be difficult to fix |
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| 08:20.55 | mhall | coywolf: but all i'm trying to say is that you cannot get this task accomplished merely by editing sources.list |
| 08:20.58 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: http://channels.debian.net/paste/142 |
| 08:20.59 | helo | if it didn't work |
| 08:21.01 | mhall | coywolf: you must understand this |
| 08:21.06 | glick | if i upgrade my testing distro, which is sarge, will it upgrade to etch? |
| 08:21.09 | coywolf | mhall, sure |
| 08:21.10 | peterS | helo: indeed. that's always scary. prepare a boot floppy before rebooting |
| 08:21.12 | Guerin | not yet |
| 08:21.13 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: Should images be *read only* |
| 08:21.17 | helo | no floppy drive :/ |
| 08:21.19 | glick | with apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 08:21.29 | peterS | helo: the boot floppy will have a fat filesystem and you run 'syslinux' on it and copy a kernel to it as 'linux' |
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| 08:21.32 | coywolf | mhall, i want to know if can get the newest by upgrade? |
| 08:21.40 | helo | i have a cd drive |
| 08:21.42 | mhall | coywolf: sorry if i sounded mean, i partied a little much so now i'm a bit drunk :-D |
| 08:21.51 | Gathond | glick: depends on what you have in your sources.list |
| 08:21.53 | superlinux | i get a message as such on my tty1: "sr0 : CDROM not ready" while i dont want to put or use my cdrom at all.. what should i do to stop it? |
| 08:21.56 | peterS | helo: then again, that won't help, because modern floppy drives and modern kernels and modern initrd images are the wrong sizes for each other (: |
| 08:22.02 | mhall | coywolf: the thing you can do to check out the available versions is, you can go two place |
| 08:22.06 | mhall | coywolf: two places* |
| 08:22.08 | glick | Gathond, my sources say 'testing' |
| 08:22.17 | mhall | coywolf: the first is the packages.debian.org web site |
| 08:22.19 | Gathond | glick: then yes |
| 08:22.23 | peterS | helo: you can boot your system from your woody CD, worst case |
| 08:22.29 | mhall | coywolf: the second is the incoming.debian.org site |
| 08:22.35 | peterS | helo: 'rescbf24 root=/dev/hda1' |
| 08:22.36 | helo | root=/dev/hda1, correct? |
| 08:22.39 | helo | ahh, ok |
| 08:22.43 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: Good to go? |
| 08:22.52 | helo | peterS: would that be on the netinst cd as well? |
| 08:23.04 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: oh, I missed your paste url. checking now |
| 08:23.06 | mhall | coywolf: with packages you can see the latest versions, with incoming you can see the very freshest packages before they are pushed to the mirrors each day |
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| 08:23.11 | SantaOne | hi |
| 08:23.13 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: thanks... |
| 08:23.19 | peterS | helo: I'm not very familiar with the woody netinst CDs, but it'll be something like that |
| 08:23.20 | Gathond | helo: depends on which netinstall CD i think, the 10 MB one no |
| 08:23.20 | coywolf | mhall, so i can't do it by update in aptitude? |
| 08:23.27 | helo | 32MB |
| 08:23.27 | SantaOne | when I type rm foo.txt it will be deleted without a question if yes/no |
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| 08:23.33 | SantaOne | how can I make my system ask me? |
| 08:23.35 | mhall | coywolf: unless you are in a hurry due to a bug or something, it's not generally worth checking incoming |
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| 08:23.42 | glick | allstardirectories.com uses fedora core 1 |
| 08:23.45 | glick | what bums |
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| 08:23.48 | Guerin | SantaOne: -i |
| 08:23.55 | Guerin | for interactive |
| 08:23.58 | mhall | coywolf: yes and no, an update partly depends on how current your mirror is, some are an hour or day or two behind what's freshest |
| 08:24.10 | SantaOne | Guerin: can -i be set as default? |
| 08:24.13 | helo | ok, i'm going to change to root=/dev/md1 in lilo.conf, sound good? |
| 08:24.13 | mhall | coywolf: and aptitude / apt-get won't tell you about packages in incoming |
| 08:24.14 | Guerin | read your bashrc; there are commented aliases in there you can uncomment |
| 08:24.18 | coywolf | mhall, my current mirror is the debian offical |
| 08:24.30 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: oh. read-only should be the default in any case. you can check with 'rdev /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-1-686-smp' |
| 08:24.31 | mhall | coywolf: well, debian official maps to a number of actual hosts |
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| 08:24.50 | mhall | coywolf: even the debian.org mirrors take time to sync up when the very latest stuff comes out |
| 08:25.15 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: Root device 0xfe00 |
| 08:25.20 | superlinux | i get a message as such on my tty1: "sr0 : CDROM not ready" while i dont want to put or use my cdrom at all.. what should i do to stop it? |
| 08:25.21 | coywolf | mhall, i just want to check if i can upgrade into debian offical xfce4.2(or xfce4.3) when it's available from my current non-offical xfce4.2 |
| 08:25.24 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: I mean, rdev -R /boot/whatever |
| 08:25.26 | superlinux | plz help me! |
| 08:25.31 | SantaOne | Guerin: in .bashrc and in /etc/bashrc is nothing which seems as if it would cause the not-asking |
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| 08:25.36 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: it'll say "Root flags 1", which means read-only is default |
| 08:25.38 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: but otherwise file looks good? |
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| 08:25.55 | mhall | coywolf: I am about to give up on you. |
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| 08:26.18 | mhall | coywolf: The answer is, you can not generally upgrade over the top of unofficial packages. |
| 08:26.23 | mhall | coywolf: Which I said. |
| 08:26.28 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: yeah, looks fine. a lot of that stuff, like map=/boot/map, isn't needed |
| 08:26.37 | mhall | coywolf: However, you can uninstall them without losing your settings. |
| 08:26.37 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: and vga=normal is the default too |
| 08:26.38 | john | what's the command to make a zip file? |
| 08:26.51 | peterS | john: apt-get install zip; zip file.zip file1 file2 file3... |
| 08:26.53 | coywolf | mhall, so the unoffial prevents the offical from update or upgrade or install? |
| 08:26.54 | glick | wow this 2.6.11 kernel is humming nicely |
| 08:26.58 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: comment those out... or leave as is? |
| 08:26.59 | glick | seems much faster then 2.4 |
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| 08:27.03 | mhall | coywolf: Your settings for X environments are in your home directory. |
| 08:27.06 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: they're fine. just unneeded |
| 08:27.20 | coywolf | mhall, i see, thanks |
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| 08:27.29 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: come to think of it, I don't know how vga= interacts with install=bmp |
| 08:27.36 | mhall | coywolf: If you remove the unofficial version when you see on packages.debian.org or in your aptitude displays that a new official version is out, |
| 08:27.40 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: well... if I'm back in 5 minutes... then I love you.. if I'm not back in 15 I fucking hate you.. |
| 08:27.43 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: install=bmp switches to graphics mode, after all |
| 08:27.48 | mhall | coywolf: you can then install the official version |
| 08:27.54 | mhall | coywolf: and your settings will still work |
| 08:27.56 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: That's how the file was default.. |
| 08:28.13 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: ahhh. I don't use install=bmp, I'm happy with install=menu, which is the default |
| 08:28.16 | john | peterS: thank you. |
| 08:28.25 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: so I don't know much about how install=bmp works |
| 08:28.27 | mhall | coywolf: now, sometimes installing over unofficial packages will work if the developer made the dependencies right in his/her package |
| 08:28.42 | mhall | coywolf: but my experience is that usually you have problems and it does not work right |
| 08:29.06 | mhall | coywolf: which is why i suggest you check packages.debian.org and remove / reinstall when a new version is available |
| 08:29.18 | coywolf | mhall, i see |
| 08:29.22 | mhall | Overand: so when you go away your nickname is overandout? |
| 08:29.28 | Overand | no. |
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| 08:29.34 | coywolf | mhall, i have to make my own to keep some package the latest |
| 08:29.36 | Overand | and i'm sorry for the cycling here, my router is freaking |
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| 08:29.53 | mhall | Overand: sorry for the bad pun |
| 08:30.06 | mhall | Overand: i can't resist them |
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| 08:30.16 | Overand | eh |
| 08:30.20 | Overand | you'r ereally not the first one to make it |
| 08:30.22 | Overand | surprise surprise |
| 08:30.26 | Overand | but it's ok, i'm over it |
| 08:30.28 | Overand | HA. |
| 08:30.44 | superlinux | i get a message as such on my tty1: "sr0 : CDROM not ready" while i dont want to put or use my cdrom at all.. what should i do to stop it? |
| 08:30.58 | mhall | Overand: lol |
| 08:31.21 | Overand | superlinux: check automount maybe? |
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| 08:31.27 | helo | muahahaha |
| 08:31.35 | helo | software raid os so freaking cool |
| 08:31.36 | liable | superlinux: is that the whole error? |
| 08:32.02 | coywolf | another problem is that I can't remove my gcc 3.3, 'cause others like g++ and g77 depend on it. I want to remove them all. 'cause i'd like to move on gcc-3.4. mhall |
| 08:32.31 | mhall | coywolf: ok, if you install 3.4, it and 3.3 do not conflict |
| 08:32.37 | polok | I've umounted my cdrom, but I can't open it... what do I have to do to get it open? |
| 08:32.55 | mhall | coywolf: as far as i could tell when i tried to delete 3.3, you must keep it because some core parts of the system depend on it |
| 08:33.00 | superlinux | that the error |
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| 08:33.31 | liable | superlinux: maybe look in your logs, see if there is any more info |
| 08:33.32 | positrix | polok: stick a paperclip into the emergency release hole (only use this method if all else fails) |
| 08:33.48 | mhall | polok: what about the eject command? |
| 08:34.02 | mhall | polok: also maybe look at the dmesg output for any weird cdrom errors |
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| 08:34.07 | positrix | polok: yea, that too. |
| 08:34.18 | coywolf | mhall, will the core part depend on 3.4 someday? |
| 08:34.29 | mhall | coywolf: in principle yes |
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| 08:34.43 | llama32 | what's the opinion on how menus should work? macos style (menu bar up top of screen), windows style (menu bar on top of window), *STEP style (vertical menu panel floating around, or RISCOS style (only popup menus)? others? |
| 08:34.45 | coywolf | mhall, but i just have to wait? |
| 08:34.50 | superlinux | liable, in addition to the error it says that "make sure there is a disk in drive" |
| 08:35.01 | polok | positrix: thanks |
| 08:35.03 | helo | its been a while since i upgraded a package with dpkg... just dpkg -i package and it will upgrade? |
| 08:35.03 | polok | mhall: thanks |
| 08:35.06 | Guerin | llama32: user-configurable |
| 08:35.10 | peterS | llama32: the macos style is technically best but I find it hard to get used to |
| 08:35.12 | mhall | coywolf: well like i said, if you install 3.4, it will not conflict with 3.3 |
| 08:35.12 | superlinux | but mean while i dont want to use the CDROM |
| 08:35.13 | polok | I ended up becoming root and trying eject |
| 08:35.16 | mhall | polok: did it work? |
| 08:35.21 | polok | mhall: only as root |
| 08:35.32 | polok | it wouldn't work as a normal user |
| 08:35.35 | mhall | polok: ah-ha, i think there is some way to deal with this |
| 08:35.37 | llama32 | Guerin: in the end it shal be, but a default? |
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| 08:35.51 | helo | is upgrading lilo on woody impossible? |
| 08:35.52 | mhall | polok: i think by using the mount options to allow users to mount and unmount the drive |
| 08:36.06 | liable | superlinux: is that in the logs, or on the tty? |
| 08:36.07 | peterS | helo: problems with it? |
| 08:36.07 | mhall | polok: have a look at man mount to find the options you need for this functionality |
| 08:36.15 | superlinux | on the tty |
| 08:36.15 | helo | peterS: it wants a newer debconf |
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| 08:36.25 | peterS | helo: you can always look on apt-get.org and backports.org for woody ports of newer liloes |
| 08:36.26 | streuner_ | helo: what would need it? just upgrade to sarge |
| 08:36.46 | helo | peterS: i got it from backports.org, and it wants a much newer version of debconf |
| 08:36.47 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: Good and Bad news... Good = I'm here... Bad = Grub loaded... |
| 08:36.56 | streuner_ | hm |
| 08:36.57 | mhall | Overand: i guess you could say that in a country like the USA, 150 million are below average at any chosen thing |
| 08:37.09 | Guerin | helo: backports.org will also have backported all the deps |
| 08:37.11 | peterS | helo: hmmm, need to smack nobse. the point of backports.org was to avoid the need for other newer packages |
| 08:37.12 | mhall | Overand: i'm one of those who are below average in punniness |
| 08:37.13 | helo | streuner_: this is for a server that several people rely upon for their daily communications, i'd rather run stable |
| 08:37.27 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: did you not run 'lilo' after changing lilo.conf? |
| 08:37.27 | Guerin | helo: but you might as well use sarge |
| 08:37.30 | TwistedEmotions | apt-get remove grub ...Package grub is not installed, so not removed. |
| 08:37.30 | streuner_ | helo: look at the /topic |
| 08:37.43 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: You ass... lol.. you didnt tell me that |
| 08:37.47 | TwistedEmotions | <<-- Newb |
| 08:37.52 | helo | i'll upgrade to sarge once it has been released |
| 08:37.56 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: I certainly did. quite a bit earlier, you may have missed it |
| 08:37.58 | Guerin | fair call |
| 08:38.09 | streuner_ | helo: /msg dpkg sarge frozen |
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| 08:38.18 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: Just kidding.. I'm ass then... |
| 08:38.22 | helo | yes, i see that it is frozen |
| 08:38.30 | streuner_ | helo: personally i just upgrade my server to sarge, no problems at all |
| 08:38.33 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.44 | peterS | helo: it really is all-but-released now. your choice, but I think it's quite reasonable to upgrade at this point |
| 08:38.50 | helo | hmm... |
| 08:39.03 | Guerin | i had problems, but only with packages I'd backported. |
| 08:39.31 | Guerin | which makes me think that it's saner to run straight sarge now than woody+backports with a possibly tricky upgrade |
| 08:39.34 | mhall | Does anybody know of a trouble ticketing system that's appropriate for confidential use? Say, SSL, limited user access to queues, etc. that's open source? |
| 08:39.40 | helo | ok, just s/stable/sarge/ in my sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 08:39.51 | mhall | Say like one that might be used by a distro security team? |
| 08:39.54 | Guerin | helo: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 08:39.57 | streuner_ | helo: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 08:40.00 | helo | ty |
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| 08:40.40 | mhall | what does /umode +E do? |
| 08:41.01 | Sauron21 | hi.....I was wondering how I could find out what grafics card driver my labtop ubuntu is using?? |
| 08:41.04 | Phated | mhall: Prevents non-registered users from msging you. |
| 08:41.14 | superlinux | liable, i have it on tty |
| 08:41.20 | Guerin | Sauron21: #ubuntu |
| 08:41.28 | Sauron21 | oh....sry |
| 08:41.31 | streuner_ | !based on debian |
| 08:41.31 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 08:41.38 | helo | wth... i did an apt-get -f install, and it wants to remove lilo |
| 08:41.52 | Guerin | helo: why? |
| 08:41.53 | mhall | helo: ouch |
| 08:41.56 | liable | superlinux: look, in the logs, there may be a clue as to whats actually doing it |
| 08:42.04 | superlinux | ok |
| 08:42.09 | helo | don't say that... |
| 08:42.26 | mhall | Phated: odd, it did not work |
| 08:42.26 | streuner_ | helo: prolly depends problems with un-official sources |
| 08:42.42 | mhall | Phated: i'm not registered right now, so i set the flag, but i could still message myself |
| 08:42.47 | Guerin | helo: it's ok; proceed as long as you have your configs backed up and don't reboot :) |
| 08:42.54 | streuner_ | helo: use in your sources.list only official sources, run apt-get update |
| 08:42.55 | mhall | Phated: unless it only works when you are registered yourself |
| 08:43.00 | Phated | mhall: I've no idea if it works on yourself or something. |
| 08:43.15 | Phated | mhall: If you're not registered, try to msg me. |
| 08:43.24 | mhall | Phated: i'd think it would be harder to code if it did not, that if it did |
| 08:43.25 | Guerin | mhall: did you get that? |
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| 08:43.44 | helo | i have only official sources |
| 08:43.48 | mhall | wow interesting |
| 08:43.55 | mhall | i couldn't send to Phated |
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| 08:44.00 | mhall | and got nothing from Guerin |
| 08:44.03 | streuner_ | helo: paste the fist error (only) here |
| 08:44.08 | streuner_ | s/fist/first/ |
| 08:44.09 | mhall | but i can msg 127.0.0.1, hehe |
| 08:44.14 | Phated | mhall: There's always something odd when you msg to yourself, I think. <shrug> |
| 08:44.21 | helo | i did an apt-get install aptitude |
| 08:44.30 | mhall | Phated: fair enough |
| 08:44.35 | peterS | Phated: lots of people talk to themselves. I do it a lot. in real life anyway, not so much online |
| 08:44.37 | Phated | mhall: Apparently, I can msg you. |
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| 08:44.42 | Guerin | mhall: oh, it works then. |
| 08:44.45 | streuner_ | helo: so just use apt-get |
| 08:44.48 | mhall | Phated: works for you to me |
| 08:44.57 | Phated | peterS: It's annoying when you're repeated to yourself. I talk to myself all the time RL. :) |
| 08:44.58 | mhall | Phated: you are probably registered |
| 08:45.00 | helo | it says aptitude depends on libsigc++0 but it isn't going to be installed |
| 08:45.02 | Phated | mhall: I am. |
| 08:45.06 | moua | hello, can i be a part if debian elite ? http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg |
| 08:45.15 | moua | if = of |
| 08:45.17 | Guerin | moua: if you have to ask, no. |
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| 08:45.29 | helo | \nlilo: Depends: depconf (>= 1.2.9) but 1.0.32 is going to be installed |
| 08:45.38 | mhall | moua: There Is No Cabal |
| 08:45.41 | moua | Guerin : elitist ! grrr |
| 08:45.43 | moua | :) |
| 08:45.48 | Guerin | moua: fuck off, peasant. |
| 08:45.48 | streuner_ | !info debconf sarge |
| 08:45.51 | dpkg | debconf: (Debian configuration management system), section admin, is important. Version: 1.4.30.13 (sarge), Packaged size: 99 kB, Installed size: 1340 kB |
| 08:46.05 | mhall | Guerin: You dignified him with a response. *shock* |
| 08:46.19 | streuner_ | helo: did you edit sources.list and run apt-get update? |
| 08:46.28 | helo | i just commented out the security entry |
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| 08:46.38 | helo | it is official, but i figured might as well try |
| 08:46.45 | Guerin | helo: actually reading the woody->sarge factoid might be a plan |
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| 08:47.03 | helo | all i have are debian and debian nonUS |
| 08:47.09 | helo | which is all i ever had |
| 08:47.22 | ash__ | PeterS: Sorrry I got disconnected.. |
| 08:47.32 | ash__ | PeterS: <-- Twisted Emo |
| 08:47.34 | K_Dallas | what flag makes apt to show the version of an installed package? |
| 08:47.37 | Guerin | helo: delete non-us; uncomment sarge, change all instances of woody or stable to sarge |
| 08:47.39 | mhall | Guerin: ah so you were only discharging your mandatory corporate reporting duties / consumer rights duties |
| 08:47.47 | mhall | Guerin: you were compelled to respond |
| 08:47.47 | Guerin | mhall: correct. |
| 08:48.00 | helo | Guerin: dpkg (the bot) says to install aptitude first |
| 08:48.01 | Thanatermesis | the /etc/environment are the language for X conf ? |
| 08:48.05 | Guerin | bullshit |
| 08:48.07 | ash__ | PeterS: going to reboot now. |
| 08:48.11 | Guerin | !woody->sarge |
| 08:48.31 | Guerin | not you; I mean, that's bullshit, you don't need to do it |
| 08:48.38 | streuner_ | apt, woody->sarge |
| 08:48.39 | apt | from memory, woody->sarge is "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update" and "aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes> |
| 08:48.39 | helo | ahh, ok good :) |
| 08:48.44 | Karhuton | I wake up, come up to my desktop comp and find out the gl xscreensaver is frozen, keyboard nor mouse works and I had to pull the plug. I've read trough /var/log/messages kern.log and XFree86.0.log user.log syslog auth.log but can't find anything interesting. Only thing I see, is --MARK-- stop and in one log DHCPDISCOVER messages. What other things I can try to do to find out what happened? Debian sarge. |
| 08:48.59 | helo | so replace aptitude with apt-get |
| 08:49.02 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 08:49.40 | helo | ahh, sarge is a nice one-hander |
| 08:49.45 | shining | what's happening or what will happen with sid since sarge is frozen? |
| 08:50.00 | streuner_ | shining: stays to unstable |
| 08:50.03 | Thanatermesis | the /etc/environment are the language conf for X ? |
| 08:50.10 | peterS | Guerin: 'aptitude dist-upgrade' is apparently a little smarter than 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. that's why the release notes say what they say |
| 08:50.24 | helo | smart enough for me to care? |
| 08:50.34 | shining | streuner_: sarge move from testing to stable, but sid will stay unstable forever? |
| 08:50.37 | Nemoder | Karhuton: if it happens again you might try logging in remotely, sometimes even if the keyboard/display is locked the network is still accessible |
| 08:50.41 | Guerin | peterS: hrm. |
| 08:50.46 | streuner_ | shining: yes |
| 08:50.49 | peterS | helo: well, it's about picking packages to replace other packages that are no longer in debian, things like that |
| 08:51.03 | positrix | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.03 | mhall | Karhuton: hmm that is interesting |
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| 08:51.15 | peterS | helo: there's also apt-get dselect-upgrade which uses dselect to do the work, which is pretty smart too |
| 08:51.16 | xophEr | streuner_, whats the name of the new testing then? |
| 08:51.19 | mhall | Karhuton: could be a tough nut to crack |
| 08:51.19 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: I love you :) |
| 08:51.20 | shining | |
| 08:51.22 | Guerin | positrix: no way. They still haven't finished with TS1. |
| 08:51.27 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: it worked.. |
| 08:51.27 | Phated | They are not. They have LGM 1-4926 to go through. |
| 08:51.29 | streuner_ | xophEr: etch |
| 08:51.31 | xophEr | ok |
| 08:51.32 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: you're back, with lilo? good deal |
| 08:51.33 | mhall | Karhuton: what video hardware have you got |
| 08:51.39 | mhall | !tell me about scroll |
| 08:51.45 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
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| 08:51.47 | helo | peterS: would you recommend dselect-upgrade over just dist-upgrade? |
| 08:51.56 | helo | i'd like to be as safe as possible |
| 08:52.04 | Karhuton | Nemoder, I know, but it was impossible. Just interested to know what ways there are on a linux to find crash reasons. Haven't had to do this before :\ |
| 08:52.15 | Karhuton | mhall: ATI, propietary driver |
| 08:52.22 | peterS | helo: I use dselect-upgrade. although I'll probably switch to 'aptitude dist-upgrade' next time I'm doing a large upgrade. aptitude is nice in other ways |
| 08:52.26 | mhall | Karhuton: hmm that's a tough problem |
| 08:52.30 | helo | ok |
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| 08:52.44 | mhall | Karhuton: i'd have to guess the problem is from there |
| 08:52.46 | Karhuton | mhall: Rather than you helping me, I'd like to hear what log files or things I should look into. Which are relative etc. |
| 08:53.07 | mhall | Karhuton: well i'm trying to tell you that there are not exactly logs for this |
| 08:53.09 | helo | ok, doing dselect-upgrade i still get that lilo depends on debconf 1.2.9 but 1.0.32 is installed |
| 08:53.23 | mhall | Karhuton: obviously check the X log in /var/log/XF*.log |
| 08:53.24 | Karhuton | mhall, no dumps or anything? |
| 08:53.30 | peterS | helo: upgrading to what? |
| 08:53.35 | helo | is -f dselect-upgrade unwise at all? |
| 08:53.40 | mhall | Karhuton: well, that's another thing, there is a debug build of X available |
| 08:53.48 | helo | peterS: sarge |
| 08:53.54 | mhall | Karhuton: and there is a chance of a core file some place |
| 08:54.01 | mhall | Karhuton: find / -name \*core\* -print |
| 08:54.24 | streuner_ | helo: /j #flood |
| 08:54.27 | peterS | helo: sarge has much newer debconf than that. something isn't right |
| 08:54.32 | mhall | Karhuton: also, with your network glitch you mentioned |
| 08:54.43 | Karhuton | mhall: That's unrelated |
| 08:54.48 | peterS | helo: sarge has 1.4.30.8 or newer |
| 08:54.50 | mhall | Karhuton: that could be a sign that your hardware tweaked out and dropped network connectivity |
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| 08:54.55 | helo | peterS: 1.0.32 is installed, but lilo depends on >= 1.2.9 is the error |
| 08:54.59 | helo | not is going to be |
| 08:54.59 | mhall | Karhuton: did it appear near the time of the deadlock? |
| 08:54.59 | liable | Karhuton: ~/.xsessionerrors? |
| 08:55.11 | Karhuton | mhall: that's just a coincidence |
| 08:55.15 | mhall | Karhuton: not always |
| 08:55.22 | peterS | helo: you've done 'apt-get update' after changing sources.list to say sarge instead of woody/stable? |
| 08:55.22 | Karhuton | mhall: That network problem I've had for ever |
| 08:55.24 | helo | once i changed sources.list to point to sarge, it decided it didn't need to install 1.0.32 again |
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| 08:55.32 | mhall | Karhuton: i had a system that was flaky and would always start by losing network |
| 08:55.36 | Karhuton | mhall: 1h 40-60min my con drops |
| 08:55.42 | mhall | Karhuton: then right after that the whole box would crash |
| 08:55.48 | streuner_ | helo: /j #flood |
| 08:55.50 | helo | yes, i jsut did a -f dselect-upgrade and it is looking good |
| 08:55.52 | Karhuton | mhall: I manually run dhclient -> ok |
| 08:55.55 | Nemoder | Karhuton: it sounds like the problem is with the kernel driver, not X, maybe you can turn on debugging options in the kernel and see if it happens again? |
| 08:56.03 | Karhuton | mhall: This problem is related to vmware (the network problem) |
| 08:56.12 | mhall | Karhuton: just to be sure, can you change the network card to a different PCI slot? |
| 08:56.44 | shining | what's debian position about utf8 ? |
| 08:57.00 | mhall | Karhuton: the reason i say it is because i had a system where the network card would lock the box every so often if it had to share PCI IRQ lines with another peripheral |
| 08:57.11 | mhall | Karhuton: a violation of the PCI spec, but it happened to me |
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| 08:57.28 | peterS | shining: in general, well supported. a few packages don't |
| 08:57.29 | mhall | !tell me about unicode |
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| 08:58.02 | mhall | !tell shining about UTF-8 |
| 08:58.13 | helo | rofl |
| 08:58.15 | helo | i just killed #flood :/ |
| 08:58.38 | positrix | helo: lmao |
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| 08:58.44 | helo | sheesh |
| 08:58.46 | mhall | helo lollercoaster |
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| 09:00.13 | membrive | hi |
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| 09:02.27 | mhall | foo |
| 09:02.27 | shining | its funny, if I use utf8, blackbox menus are fine, but apt-get output is weird, if I don't, blackbox menus are weird and apt-get is fine |
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| 09:02.48 | K_Dallas | has anyone installed Sunbird from Mozilla on sarge? which one should i download: Linux GTK2-XFT _or_ GTK1? thanks |
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| 09:03.24 | mhall | K_Dallas: about every new GTK app uses GTK 2 |
| 09:03.38 | K_Dallas | thanks, so i just install it from the source |
| 09:04.45 | mhall | K_Dallas: check backports / unstable |
| 09:05.01 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 09:05.09 | mhall | K_Dallas: also you can get it in a browser XPI for the Moz browsers |
| 09:05.18 | mhall | K_Dallas: and XPIs are ready to go |
| 09:05.38 | K_Dallas | i am having problems with my firefox |
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| 09:05.55 | K_Dallas | it is a trunk version and does not seem to install xpis! |
| 09:06.13 | K_Dallas | it says next time but after restrting ff, still nothing |
| 09:06.31 | streuner_ | K_Dallas: its not official, next question |
| 09:06.50 | peterS | yay browser projects that reinvent package management just to out-IE IE |
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| 09:07.11 | K_Dallas | :) next Q: backport, is it something tht i have to add to my sources.list? |
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| 09:07.37 | streuner_ | K_Dallas: sarge? |
| 09:07.38 | kaleb | Question: is there a way to see which process has a certain port open? |
| 09:07.53 | Nemoder | kaleb: netstat -tupan |
| 09:07.57 | K_Dallas | streuner_, yes |
| 09:07.59 | streuner_ | netstat |
| 09:08.00 | kaleb | Nemoder, thanx |
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| 09:08.15 | streuner_ | K_Dallas: what's wrong with the version in sarge? |
| 09:08.28 | K_Dallas | you mean firefox? |
| 09:08.33 | streuner_ | yep |
| 09:09.13 | K_Dallas | well the trunk version is a preview of 2.0 and has svg integrated in it and a few better tweaks which allows me to use it and forget all about opera |
| 09:09.54 | gbb | i am new to Linux. I have got Debian Sarge DVD. I have been using windows. I want to learn C++ too. is it right me for me to switch to Linux Debian? |
| 09:10.23 | gbb | can i install Debian Sarge and learn Linux and C++ and other languages too like PHP,Python... ? |
| 09:10.31 | streuner_ | K_Dallas: it makes no sense to use an unstable version, even more no sense if you using a browser. |
| 09:10.31 | K_Dallas | gbb: if you have some time to spend learning it, you would be thankful to yourself that you have switched to debian |
| 09:10.33 | gbb | i want your expert advice |
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| 09:10.59 | supaman | gbb: well, if you are familiar with setting up operating systems then go ahaid, but else I would recoment that you get yourself a LiveCD |
| 09:11.00 | mhall | streuner_: dude, it's just a browser |
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| 09:11.10 | K_Dallas | streuner_, i have had no problem with it neither here nor on windows and it makes sense because otherwise i would not be using it till they release v2.0 |
| 09:11.16 | mhall | K_Dallas: weird, the XPIs should work |
| 09:11.22 | streuner_ | mhall: yeah, but it doesn't work stable :-) |
| 09:11.26 | mhall | K_Dallas: maybe complain / file a bug? |
| 09:11.28 | K_Dallas | well, that is what i thought |
| 09:11.30 | mhall | streuner_: so what? |
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| 09:11.44 | supaman | gbb: then you dont hav to install the OS on your harddrive, just boot up from the CD drive ... |
| 09:11.44 | mhall | K_Dallas: i am trying to think who you should ask |
| 09:11.56 | mhall | K_Dallas: i think you might need to ask the sunbird mailing list |
| 09:11.59 | streuner_ | mhall: well, i usually prefer a stable browser, less headaches ;-) |
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| 09:12.02 | K_Dallas | mhall, it seems that they are not yet working on xpis for this nightly builds |
| 09:12.06 | mhall | K_Dallas: this does not seem to be debian's fault? |
| 09:12.14 | mhall | hmm |
| 09:12.23 | gbb | K_Dallas thanks a lot for replying to my query i am really confused as which distro to install since there are so many. Some say that Debian wouldnt look good the Desktop wouldnt look wouldnt look good is it so? |
| 09:12.26 | K_Dallas | mhall, true. i asked in firefox chan but no response yet |
| 09:12.30 | mhall | streuner_: sure, but it won't burninate your system if it crashes |
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| 09:12.41 | mhall | K_Dallas: sorry they're not answering |
| 09:12.50 | mhall | K_Dallas: i hate to use the blame someone else approach |
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| 09:12.57 | mhall | K_Dallas: i'm trying to think of other ideas |
| 09:13.02 | valdyn | gbb: debian does not have a single "look" at all |
| 09:13.07 | K_Dallas | gbb, i have tried a handfull of distros and as a newbie, i should have gone with debian rigth away but i was scared ;) |
| 09:13.13 | mhall | K_Dallas: some mozilla projects make developer milestone builds |
| 09:13.19 | valdyn | gbb: so one can hardly argue that it looks "bad" |
| 09:13.20 | mhall | K_Dallas: can you find one of these |
| 09:13.29 | mhall | K_Dallas: they usually are less flaky |
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| 09:13.37 | optical | Say i'm very new to linux and want to install a version of irssi which will allow ssl connection to irc, can i apt-get irssi *version*? |
| 09:14.06 | K_Dallas | mhall, i will try. thanks |
| 09:14.06 | gbb | K_Dallas ppl ask me to use windows itself because thats the best place to learn C++ some say if u start using Linux u ll get to learn C++ in a better way is that so?. I currently use Windows XP |
| 09:14.10 | valdyn | gbb: no, certainly not |
| 09:14.17 | karsten | K_Dallas: exposure's good for you. |
| 09:14.26 | K_Dallas | gbb, under windows you have to pay for your compiler, learn the gui of visual studio and ... |
| 09:14.28 | supaman | optical: the version apt-get install depends on what is in the package repository of your version, the version is set in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:14.41 | gbb | morever i have also heard that Linux is a typical Operating System which is not ready for Desktops is that so? |
| 09:14.55 | optical | supaman, let me have a look. |
| 09:14.59 | gbb | ppl say the best would be windows XP is that so? |
| 09:15.02 | K_Dallas | gbb, under linux, you basically leanr the core of c++ although you have a lot more to enjoy |
| 09:15.15 | K_Dallas | karsten, i will try that, thank you |
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| 09:15.21 | valdyn | gbb: you're certainly in the wrong channel to say "windows xp is best" |
| 09:15.26 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 09:15.28 | nunez | !dpkg sound |
| 09:15.28 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 09:15.59 | valdyn | gbb: secondly "ready for desktop" is marketing buzz, i use linux on my desktop since like 1998 |
| 09:16.03 | gbb | valdyn its not my comment thats what people say but i dont really agree coz i ve not tried out Linux. i am just asking you |
| 09:16.10 | supaman | gbb: if your this uncertain, try knoppix out for a few days ... or some other livecd ... |
| 09:16.13 | gbb | i want your expert advice here |
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| 09:16.54 | K_Dallas | gbb, there is knoppix or ubuntu with liveCD versions, as supaman has said, try them |
| 09:17.01 | Nemoder | gbb: it depends on your needs really, if you are required to run windows software for whatever reason windows is probably a better choice, but linux has alternatives in most areas that are just as good or better |
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| 09:17.14 | valdyn | gbb: unix is the best os to do programming. |
| 09:17.48 | optical | supaman, i'm using woody stable. |
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| 09:18.04 | helo | ...unless your employer wants you to use visual___ |
| 09:18.07 | supaman | optical: ok, what version of irssi do you want? |
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| 09:18.22 | optical | 0.8.9 i think whick as ssl |
| 09:18.29 | optical | which* |
| 09:18.43 | lesshaste | how do you record audio in debian? |
| 09:18.59 | Nemoder | 0.8.9 is in sarge |
| 09:19.02 | lesshaste | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.10 | supaman | optical: yes, 0.8.9 is in sarge |
| 09:19.10 | optical | Oh, that answers that. |
| 09:19.19 | supaman | optical: and that is the testing distribution |
| 09:19.20 | lesshaste | helo, for closed channels? |
| 09:19.37 | optical | Is their a version of irssi for woody that has ssl? |
| 09:19.49 | Kvant | optical, 0.8.9 is on backports |
| 09:20.15 | helo | cheers to the time |
| 09:20.23 | Nemoder | lesshaste: audacity? |
| 09:20.24 | K_Dallas | may i ask besides evolution, what good pim is out there? |
| 09:20.29 | peterS | the time? it's 4:20 |
| 09:20.40 | K_Dallas | 5:20 here ;) |
| 09:20.41 | lesshaste | Nemoder, thx. will check it out |
| 09:20.43 | optical | Mmmm, looking at it another way is their any irc client under woody stable that allows you to connect to a ssl chat? |
| 09:20.52 | peterS | K_Dallas: 4:20 in _Dallas |
| 09:21.02 | K_Dallas | not dallas, montreal ;) |
| 09:21.06 | peterS | heh |
| 09:21.15 | Phated | K_Montreal? |
| 09:21.17 | K_Dallas | and that is korbain dallas :) |
| 09:21.33 | peterS | K_Dallas: so either move or change your name |
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| 09:21.58 | Phated | The former would be more convenient. Not to mention K_Montreal looks odd. |
| 09:21.59 | supaman | optical: well, http://www.irssi.org/?page=changelog says ssl came in version 0.8.6 |
| 09:22.03 | K_Dallas | it has nothing to do with dallas the city and i was about to move to dallas but change my mind ;) |
| 09:22.05 | spdf | My neighbour named their kid Dallas. He hates it |
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| 09:22.20 | K_Dallas | lol spdf |
| 09:22.31 | peterS | K_Dallas: yeah, that's ok. dallas isn't that great. too spread out, it takes forever to drive across it |
| 09:22.48 | gbb | Thanks for your advice.Will install Debian Sarge and will be back online with that :-) |
| 09:22.59 | K_Dallas | :) good luck! |
| 09:23.00 | eeyore- | spdg: could have been worse. could have been "kalamazoo" or "walla walla" or "kissimi" |
| 09:23.07 | optical | I've been thinking of installing debian sarge too. |
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| 09:23.21 | K_Dallas | helo their universities are amongst the best |
| 09:23.28 | gbb | optical what r you currently using ? |
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| 09:23.33 | optical | woody. |
| 09:23.39 | supaman | optical: if you have a simple desktop then it is fun to run unstable :-) |
| 09:23.43 | eeyore- | helo: austin? there's dell and a few others (ARM ;-) |
| 09:23.44 | K_Dallas | gbb, older version of debian |
| 09:24.07 | gbb | K_Dallas oh ok then is Sarge the latest version of Debian? |
| 09:24.22 | gbb | K_Dallas before i leave one last question . Whats Ubuntu? |
| 09:24.23 | optical | supaman, well i've also setup ssh and apache to run my web server. |
| 09:24.26 | K_Dallas | nope but it is your best bet |
| 09:24.29 | oneo | would anyone know why when i delete files, the free space doesnt show up right away in df? |
| 09:24.32 | optical | Yes gbb. |
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| 09:24.42 | eeyore- | oneo: "reserved space for root" |
| 09:24.42 | helo | peterS: do you have any knowledge of the CS job market in dallas? |
| 09:24.52 | K_Dallas | gbb, a debian-based distro |
| 09:24.54 | spdf | gbb, It's just another linux distor, based on Debian. |
| 09:25.00 | eeyore- | oneo: unmount the partition, reset the reserved space to 1% or smaller, e2fsck the partition, remount |
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| 09:25.06 | peterS | oneo: what eeyore- said, but also, if a large file is in use by some running process, you can delete it but it won't go away until the process dies or closes it |
| 09:25.08 | paulswm | There's at least one somftware company in Houston that I know of, but the only positive thing I can say about Houston is that there is very good Vietnamese food to be had. |
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| 09:25.14 | linuxfreck | oneo: deleted files are deleted when no process has it open anymore |
| 09:25.18 | K_Dallas | gbb, personally i used it for a week or so and i went back to debian even though i use sarge which is older |
| 09:25.26 | helo | eeyore-: austin is a nice place... but dell is evil :/ |
| 09:25.36 | optical | Well cheers guys think i may just install openssl on my windows box. Job sorted :-) |
| 09:25.44 | helo | ahh... i love houston... used to live in the woodlands |
| 09:25.45 | eeyore- | helo: ARM is not, for the most part, unless you go to cambridge |
| 09:25.53 | eeyore- | helo: then it's dicey :-) |
| 09:25.53 | gbb | K_Dallas so you say Debian Sarge is better than Ubuntu and Kubuntu? is that so? |
| 09:26.07 | K_Dallas | i say nothing :) but i liked debian better |
| 09:26.14 | helo | ARM is not... true |
| 09:26.16 | eeyore- | helo: it's more of a weather thing, in cambridge. |
| 09:26.21 | K_Dallas | and forget about kubuntu if you ask me |
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| 09:26.38 | gbb | ok thanks will install Debian and let you know |
| 09:26.41 | Nemoder | gbb: that's like asking microsoft if it thinks windows is best.. |
| 09:26.46 | optical | lol |
| 09:26.59 | optical | I quite like apples o.s |
| 09:27.01 | optical | osx. |
| 09:27.13 | helo | i don't know anyone who doesn't like osx |
| 09:27.20 | eeyore- | helo: what is your major? |
| 09:27.29 | helo | straight CS |
| 09:27.42 | spdf | "None of that gay kind. Its for wussies" |
| 09:28.12 | xelam | i have a gay CS degree |
| 09:28.15 | qwertz_ | Hi! Still trying to get my isdn box to connect to the ISP problem seems that the login part fails - cause using windows terminal output I see the same repeating "rubbish line" until I close the terminal and the authentication process starts so there seems to be something missing in the linux setup - any thoughts? |
| 09:28.19 | spdf | DOes it have sex with other CS Degrees? |
| 09:28.26 | helo | heh |
| 09:28.26 | optical | Say for the enthusiast cs guy is doing mcse an option or too expensive? |
| 09:28.31 | peterS | xelam: what distinguishes a gay CS degree from, say, a somber CS degree? |
| 09:28.41 | eeyore- | optical: get your company to sponsor you :-) |
| 09:28.48 | xelam | mcse x.x |
| 09:28.51 | xelam | evil |
| 09:28.57 | eeyore- | peterS: moustache |
| 09:28.59 | helo | whether you have my discrete prof or not :) |
| 09:29.00 | xelam | mcse's are for morons :| |
| 09:29.00 | optical | eeyore, i would love too but alas no way :-( |
| 09:29.18 | xelam | "i have an mcse, but no clue" |
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| 09:29.42 | optical | I have a ccna but no clue :-P |
| 09:29.46 | peterS | xelam: an MCSE is great for getting hired by a company whose hiring practices are so enlightened that they care about MCSEs |
| 09:29.49 | eeyore- | i might as well take the opportunity and go for an excuse to be away from office for two weeks :-> |
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| 09:30.02 | eeyore- | MCSI/RHCE ... mmm, that's four weeks away from office |
| 09:30.07 | optical | lol |
| 09:30.11 | helo | eeyore-: why do you ask? |
| 09:30.32 | helo | and do you work for ARM? :D |
| 09:30.34 | eeyore- | helo: just wondering if you'd ever come work with us :-) |
| 09:30.51 | eeyore- | helo: ya |
| 09:30.58 | optical | So for someone who doesn't want to fork out loads of cash and not really bothered about certs is mabe buying books and learning online an option? |
| 09:31.01 | helo | in my wettest dreams i would... |
| 09:31.17 | eeyore- | helo: then we'd grow the linux-fanboy population, little by little |
| 09:31.24 | helo | but i started out a slacker, so my gpa is not very competitive |
| 09:31.40 | optical | What or who is ARM? |
| 09:31.50 | helo | i'd imagine the competition to get hired at ARM is pretty high |
| 09:31.54 | mhall | an Intel-owned RISC chip operation |
| 09:32.06 | eeyore- | optical: honestly, if you know the subject at hand, it doesn't matter if you have certs or not |
| 09:32.19 | eeyore- | optical: however, it *might* help to get your foot in the door, past HR, you know what i mean? |
| 09:32.38 | eeyore- | mhall: intel-owned? |
| 09:32.50 | helo | eeyore-: is there a skillset that i might focus on if i wanted a high chance of getting a job at ARM out of school (1 year) |
| 09:32.51 | eeyore- | mhall: we're not even a "chip operation" :-) |
| 09:32.53 | mhall | eeyore-: Yeah I believe Intel bought them out, eh? |
| 09:33.04 | mhall | eeyore-: ok now I'm confused |
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| 09:33.15 | peterS | eeyore-: intel owns arm IP. do they not own you? I'm as confused as mhall |
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| 09:33.22 | eeyore- | mhall: no. intel licenses particular ARM core technology. their xscale line is a variant of ARM cores |
| 09:33.42 | optical | hee hee. Well i've got my ccna and done some basic C programming but want to learn network security in a structured way. I just seem to read books and mess about thus seems i'm getting no further advanced week on week. |
| 09:33.44 | mhall | eeyore-: OK, I thought they took over the whole deal. |
| 09:33.55 | eeyore- | mhall: xscale shares some commonalities with ARM7 i think, but they have their enhancements |
| 09:34.01 | Gathond | eeyore-: did intel not buy the whole arm chipdesign thing? |
| 09:34.12 | eeyore- | Gathond: no, we're very much still independent :-) |
| 09:34.24 | mhall | eeyore-: and what do you do there? |
| 09:34.28 | Gathond | eeyore-: I actually thought xscale was an arm 9 core |
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| 09:34.44 | peterS | eeyore-: does it bother you that debian 3.2 will probably release without an arm port? |
| 09:34.52 | eeyore- | mhall: me? i'm sysadmin for the ESL division, and i fill in for los gatos / austin when they need me |
| 09:34.58 | eeyore- | peterS: nah :-) |
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| 09:36.07 | mhall | eeyore-: you need system administrators to run an english as a second language program at a chip company? lol |
| 09:36.32 | spdf | lol |
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| 09:36.49 | eeyore- | mhall: or did you mean the company? ARM is pretty much an IP company. they licenses cores/peripherals and development toolset to other companies under various licensing structures (one-time, annually, etc.) --- there is one "physical IP" division that has fabs, but it's not geared for making chips on massive scale. the physical IP division has IP's on things like how to fabricate different types of physical structures at various scale |
| 09:37.38 | mhall | eeyore-: no i meant you |
| 09:37.49 | eeyore- | mhall: no, ESL = electronic systems level, it's uh ... tools/libraries/models to completely simulate an entire design in software, in cycle/phase-accurate manner, for ARM cores and peripheral designs |
| 09:37.50 | mhall | eeyore-: how do you keep people from licensing then stealing your ideas |
| 09:37.50 | spdf | ESL - English as a Second Language. |
| 09:38.12 | eeyore- | mhall: i imagine that's up to the lawyers :-) |
| 09:38.19 | spdf | eeyore-, That sounds fun |
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| 09:38.34 | eeyore- | spdf: yeah, i had a hand in parts of it, too ;-) |
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| 09:39.05 | eeyore- | spdf: it's really fun, because it's not straight sysadmin work. there's a bit of engineering in it, too. |
| 09:40.24 | mhall | i got a temp job working for a cell phone company |
| 09:40.35 | eeyore- | helo: there are lots of areas you could work in a company like this |
| 09:40.43 | mhall | i write tools and utilities for a data conversion team |
| 09:41.00 | mhall | we take stuff from the cellular equipment, clean it up, and send it to the billing mainframes |
| 09:41.22 | mhall | some of which, i learned the other day, are regularly programmed to support NEW projects with NEW COBOL CODE |
| 09:41.26 | mhall | OMGWTFBBQ! |
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| 09:41.32 | helo | eeyore-: ARM will definately be one i apply to |
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| 09:42.02 | mhall | even scarier, some of this code is officially supported by IBM |
| 09:42.05 | spdf | lol |
| 09:42.09 | helo | i feel like i've studied so much so broadly, and nothing specifically enough to really be super useful to a company |
| 09:42.17 | spdf | Cobol just won't quit |
| 09:42.41 | eeyore- | helo: if you're straight CS/software type, you might apply for position in software development team, or ESL team in irvine. if you're more hardware-type, you might want to apply with PIPD division (used to be Artisan Components) |
| 09:43.17 | mhall | helo: this is pretty typical |
| 09:43.26 | mhall | helo: i felt the same way when i started this job |
| 09:43.34 | eeyore- | helo: it's better to be broad-based. the specifics you can pick up on the job. |
| 09:43.36 | mhall | helo: after 2-3 months it will all make sense |
| 09:43.43 | helo | hmm |
| 09:43.57 | mhall | helo: nobody expects you to get up to speed right away |
| 09:44.08 | mhall | helo: that's why they invented entry level positions |
| 09:44.24 | mhall | helo: they are cheap enough that it's OK for the company to let your wheels spin for a bit |
| 09:44.25 | eeyore- | helo: besides, the specifics are specific to each company ;-) what else can i say? |
| 09:44.32 | helo | i'm just afraid i won't be able to find a job anywhere, so i want to be very qualified for a specific position |
| 09:44.46 | mhall | helo: but then you're fucked if that position does not come up |
| 09:44.48 | eeyore- | helo: that's unrealistic |
| 09:44.56 | mhall | helo: what if you ended up getting a job in finance? |
| 09:45.07 | helo | then i'd be really pissed off :) |
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| 09:45.19 | mhall | helo: what's most important is that you know how to learn |
| 09:45.41 | eeyore- | helo: pick an example ... if you're gonna be in software development, you're gonna need to know how a company does its development ... chances are you're not gonna know their way right off the bat. so, you'll have to learn. it's normal. |
| 09:45.43 | mhall | just the other day i taught myself how to make a multithreaded app using the pthread library |
| 09:45.56 | mhall | it was never explained to me in class |
| 09:46.00 | mhall | so i had to find out how |
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| 09:46.09 | helo | learning isn't a problem |
| 09:46.11 | mhall | i downloaded a threaded hello world |
| 09:46.20 | eeyore- | mhall: college doesn't really reflect reality out there in the job market :-) |
| 09:46.21 | mhall | then i looked at the function references for pthread.h |
| 09:46.23 | helo | certainly when it is for a cause |
| 09:46.26 | mhall | eeyore-: of course not |
| 09:46.40 | mhall | and then i began to write my own simple one |
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| 09:47.06 | mhall | it has an event loop that polls a directory for new files because solaris does not have a directory signaling system call like imon or dnotify |
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| 09:47.20 | mhall | each time it sees a new file or new files, it dispatches a thread for each |
| 09:47.25 | eeyore- | mhall: evil |
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| 09:47.34 | mhall | and the thread performs a user exit to process the file |
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| 09:48.01 | peterS | mhall: I hope you (a) poll with stat rather than with a readdir loop, and (b) delay a certain amount between stat calls (: |
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| 09:48.10 | mhall | eeyore-: i kept it to 0.01% cpu consumption, 2MB RAM, <600 lines of code |
| 09:48.10 | paulswm | helo: I have been in IT now for 34 years, starting as a programmer. My experience is that it is best to keep your skills broad as it improves your options for the future and demonstrates that you can learn and adapt. You are going to be getting an entry level position anyway when you leave college. I would try to get a position with a large company with a range of hardware/OSes/software so you have an option to move around. |
| 09:48.14 | helo | i use courier, which uses Maildirs... should i avoid libc-client upgrade? |
| 09:48.16 | BjornW | can someone tell me why I get an empty file (i.e. 0 bytes) when overwriting a file, when I don't have the right privileges? |
| 09:48.27 | peterS | helo: c-client is the historical name for the IMAP client library originally written by university of washington |
| 09:48.38 | peterS | helo: it's a really dumb name in my opinion, but I didn't write it |
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| 09:48.47 | rossi | I have a dlink router, loaded the modules for my network card, and edited the /etc/network/interfaces what else do I have to config and where to write the dns (the dlink router) |
| 09:49.11 | rossi | ?? |
| 09:49.11 | mhall | peterS: the event loop is a while(true) with a sleep inside to rate limit the code |
| 09:49.12 | helo | paulswm: that sounds reasonable |
| 09:49.16 | oren | the DNS is the same as your router IP |
| 09:49.18 | mhall | peterS: interval is specified by the user but must be 5 sec or more |
| 09:49.26 | valdyn | rossi: you should get an ip and dns name assigned automaticlaly if you use dhcp |
| 09:49.28 | rossi | oren yes |
| 09:49.30 | mhall | peterS: so nobody can blame me if the code fucks up due to a bad setting |
| 09:49.30 | optical | paulswm, as a relatively new guy to cs what in your opinion would you structure your learning? |
| 09:49.31 | rossi | I know |
| 09:49.33 | eeyore- | peterS: if he's scanning directory for files, i don't think there's a stat() call for that |
| 09:49.47 | rossi | <<-- static |
| 09:49.48 | peterS | eeyore-: the mtime on the directory |
| 09:49.51 | mhall | eeyore-: can't you check the directory's stat mtime? |
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| 09:49.53 | eeyore- | hmm |
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| 09:49.56 | paulswm | helo: One example of such a company: Walt Disney World in central Florida |
| 09:49.58 | eeyore- | true |
| 09:50.03 | helo | eeyore-: does ARM have entry-level positions? |
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| 09:50.08 | eeyore- | helo: of course :-) |
| 09:50.12 | helo | neato |
| 09:50.15 | valdyn | rossi: edit /etc/resolv.conf for dns server ( assuming you do _not_ have resolvconf installed |
| 09:50.24 | mhall | peterS: right now it does the check with readdir, but it's on my list to add a stat check |
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| 09:50.41 | mhall | peterS: thanks for reminding me about that |
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| 09:50.50 | mhall | peterS: i'll fix it on monday |
| 09:50.50 | mexcore_ | dns servers arent to bad to config when u get the hang of them |
| 09:50.52 | peterS | mhall: (: no problem |
| 09:50.56 | mexcore_ | took me like 4 hours to figure them out |
| 09:50.57 | mexcore_ | hehe |
| 09:51.01 | helo | paulswm: i would be afraid to work for a company that didn't focus on tech |
| 09:51.02 | silverwolf_ | Is Gnome still in experimental? |
| 09:51.08 | rossi | oren where do I have to write in the ip of the dns |
| 09:51.12 | peterS | silverwolf_: gnome has been in debian for about 5 years now |
| 09:51.12 | mhall | peterS: but sure, it's not 100% efficient |
| 09:51.23 | silverwolf_ | peterS, yes.. gnome 2.10 |
| 09:51.30 | mhall | peterS: but i never used opendir readdir and pthread before this |
| 09:51.32 | helo | unless i was in IT as opposed to real CS |
| 09:51.35 | peterS | mhall: well, stat is awfully cheap. if you sleep a couple of seconds and call stat, that's free for all intents and purposes |
| 09:51.36 | oren | please, i have a little problem: i have a cdrom with many files whith very long names. I can see them in Windows but when i mount it in linux the names have been changed |
| 09:51.39 | rossi | in the /etc/network/interfaces ?? dunno think so -- dunno know where |
| 09:51.48 | oren | what can i do? |
| 09:51.51 | mhall | peterS: also some of my c++ classes have some inefficiencies in the variables they store |
| 09:51.53 | valdyn | rossi: dpkg -l resolvconf |
| 09:52.12 | paulswm | helo: What do you mean, 'focus on tech"? All big companies focus on tech, from Campbell's Foods to Disney to Dell to Wal-Mart to Continental Airlines. |
| 09:52.15 | rossi | I '`ll try |
| 09:52.18 | mhall | peterS: one of the ones that gets passed to the handler thread stores the filename of the user exit and the filename of a changed file |
| 09:52.18 | rossi | back in a min |
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| 09:52.32 | z36ra | hello |
| 09:52.36 | mhall | peterS: technically i should concatenate that together, then pass it to the thread as one stl string |
| 09:52.42 | silverwolf_ | Is Gnome 2.10 still in experimental should be the correct question :) ? |
| 09:52.44 | peterS | mhall: strcpy of stuff like that is way down in the noise, efficiency-wise |
| 09:52.46 | mhall | peterS: i'll do that on monday to clean the code up |
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| 09:53.02 | mhall | peterS: but also risky if somebody fucks with my input |
| 09:53.06 | peterS | mhall: yeah, worry more about readability than efficiency, at that level. you'll never notice the performance difference |
| 09:53.13 | coywolf | is there some tutorials to make package? |
| 09:53.14 | eeyore- | helo: there are two flavours of "IT" within ARM. there's the "operations IT" and "engineering IT". the ops stuff deals with end users, keeping systems up and running, etc. (think mail servers, ldap, exchange, software delivery, vpn, etc.) and engineering IT is more into development, build farms, LSF clusters, etc. |
| 09:53.15 | mhall | peterS: stl string is much safer and hardly any slower |
| 09:53.17 | helo | paulswm: i guess i don't have a good definition for that... i don't want to be too much in the periphery of a company's operation, but that is of course inevitable as a newcomer |
| 09:53.18 | agabus | anyone have a link to a decent how-to on compiling a newer kernel and setting it up in my grub menu excetra? |
| 09:53.29 | eeyore- | helo: it's probably that way for many other tech companies as well |
| 09:53.35 | silverwolf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.37 | helo | eeyore-: i see |
| 09:53.38 | paulswm | optical: I don't really understand your question. It depends what you want to do, but you don't always know what you want to do until you are doing it. |
| 09:53.42 | oren | how can i mount a cdrom with very long filenames?? |
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| 09:53.52 | eeyore- | helo: so, just because it's IT doesn't mean it can't be CS as well ;-) |
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| 09:54.00 | peterS | oren: just mount it. it'll almost always Just Work |
| 09:54.26 | peterS | eeyore-: no, the two fields have nothing in common. as dijkstra once said, CS is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes |
| 09:54.26 | helo | when i think if IT i think of the idiots here at uni majored in "IT" who learn how to run a mail server |
| 09:54.26 | mhall | eeyore-: we have two separate networks |
| 09:54.28 | oren | peterS yeah, i can mount it but the filenames have been changed |
| 09:54.38 | mhall | eeyore-: one essentially wild west open network for engineers |
| 09:54.44 | mhall | eeyore-: and another for everybody else |
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| 09:54.51 | mhall | eeyore-: my team is moving to the wild west |
| 09:55.07 | eeyore- | mhall: i'm sure there are some restraints :-) |
| 09:55.07 | coywolf | how to publish package? |
| 09:55.07 | helo | aaah! links disappeared |
| 09:55.11 | peterS | oren: who wrote the CD, and using what tools? |
| 09:55.12 | mhall | helo: that's harsh and judgmental |
| 09:55.16 | helo | elinks... ahh |
| 09:55.17 | mhall | eeyore-: yeah on pr0n |
| 09:55.19 | coywolf | i mean create a something like a mirror |
| 09:55.22 | peterS | helo: links2 and elinks are both in sarge. take your pick |
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| 09:55.34 | oren | peterS one friend, with the Nero burning Rom i suppose |
| 09:55.54 | peterS | oren: then what kernel version have you got? |
| 09:56.00 | oren | the filenames are correctly in Windows |
| 09:56.10 | peterS | oren: I thought all recent ones supported joliet level 3 |
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| 09:56.13 | oren | peterS 2.4.18 |
| 09:56.30 | paulswm | helo: Digital data is not at the preiphery of a company's operations, information is an asset and IT is central to any large company. Wal-Mart and Dell, for instance, are successful because of development of real time data warehousing, enabling them to react very quickly to events: for instance, Wal-Mart cornered the market in US flags after 9/11, and Dell's parts ordering is so efficient that a part only stays in the warehouse for average |
| 09:56.30 | paulswm | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.32 | peterS | oren: possibly it's a joliet level thing. or ... possibly the CD is actually UDF and your kernel is using iso9660 compatibility mode |
| 09:56.45 | peterS | oren: try mounting with -t udf |
| 09:56.49 | oren | peterS UDF?? |
| 09:56.57 | oren | peterS i try |
| 09:56.57 | peterS | oren: also known as "DirectCD" |
| 09:57.04 | helo | mhall: it is, but having taught myself a fair amount of "IT" skills, i don't feel they very academic, if that makes any sense at all |
| 09:57.10 | silverwolf_ | Is Gnome 2.10 in unstable? |
| 09:57.19 | peterS | oren: UDF is the filesystem used on CD-RWs for rewriting them on the fly. it's also used on DVDs |
| 09:57.21 | silverwolf_ | since it not marked as "not packaged yet" |
| 09:57.30 | mhall | helo: not on the computer end |
| 09:57.40 | mhall | helo: but on the business and finance end, more so |
| 09:57.41 | peterS | silverwolf_: http://packages.debian.org/gnome |
| 09:57.42 | oren | peterS mount: unknown filesystem type 'udf' |
| 09:57.45 | eeyore- | helo: well .. on the other hand, "academics" are the butt of several jokes. |
| 09:58.04 | peterS | oren: hmmm, did the udf module not exist in kernel 2.4.18? dunno, you may need a newer kernel |
| 09:58.04 | silverwolf_ | peterS, thanks |
| 09:58.14 | eeyore- | helo: can't tell you how many PhD's we've seen coming in (and out) that don't know how to code their ways out of wet paper bags |
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| 09:58.20 | mhall | helo: just like most CS programs do not approach math very academically |
| 09:58.21 | oren | peterS ok |
| 09:58.26 | oren | peterS thank you |
| 09:58.47 | mhall | eeyore-: i do not think you can teach people to program anything as hard or harder than pointers |
| 09:58.50 | helo | i guess, restated, i think someone shouldn't need to be taught "IT" for 4 years |
| 09:58.52 | peterS | oren: I still don't know that it *is* udf, or that it *is* an issue with joliet level 2 or joliet level 3. these are just guesses. a newer kernel will cover both bases |
| 09:59.08 | mhall | eeyore-: the capability to grasp that stuff is more of a binary thing |
| 09:59.35 | oren | peterS i know i should try a new kernel but i have many problems compiling kernel 2.6.11 |
| 09:59.44 | oren | i need more time |
| 10:00.02 | oren | peterS ok, bye, thanks for your help |
| 10:00.06 | oren | see you later |
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| 10:00.38 | helo | mhall: i think they should |
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| 10:01.02 | mhall | helo: but they do not; there is only so much you can do in four years |
| 10:01.06 | eeyore- | helo: you know, if you're gonna get a job in software development, i would say you should try to be proficient in: cvs/sourcesafe/clearcase, the gnu toolchain (surprising how often this gets used) / visual c++/studio, and the gnu auto-tools (really understand it, write the *.am and *.in a few times, see how they work, how they fail, etc.) |
| 10:02.01 | mhall | eeyore-: i would say GAWK, C, C++, perl, PHP, Java, CVS, UNIX, threads, technical writing |
| 10:02.19 | npx | the autotools are pretty damn cool once you get the hang of them |
| 10:02.38 | mhall | eeyore-: and whacking on open source shit with baseball_bat.exe until it compiles right |
| 10:02.50 | eeyore- | mhall: i would minus php, plus flex/bison, plus the office gang (can't do without powerpoint) |
| 10:02.53 | mhall | eeyore-: oh and XML, and Java optimization |
| 10:03.08 | z36ra | oren try modprobe udf |
| 10:03.26 | spiorf | HighPingedLPB, I've just installed garnome on debian sarge, There is a way to put the debian menu in garnome menu? |
| 10:03.28 | eeyore- | mhall: other than that, your list is pretty much a given :-) |
| 10:03.31 | mhall | eeyore-: oh, SQL |
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| 10:03.39 | mhall | eeyore-: and GDB |
| 10:03.45 | paulswm | helo: Don't stay OS or language centric, in particular, keep up with MS stuff like .NET, there is also a lot of work out there with IBM AS/400s and DB2 |
| 10:03.52 | mhall | eeyore-: fucking nobody i work with except me can use GDB decently |
| 10:03.55 | eeyore- | mhall: not so sure about SQL in many end-user apps ... it's not likely. maybe embedded db is more like it |
| 10:03.59 | mhall | eeyore-: and i use maybe 5% of it |
| 10:04.19 | mhall | eeyore-: SQL / XML comes up when you are an integrator or you have data exchange or legacy systems |
| 10:04.26 | eeyore- | mhall: i don't, i use a frontend to gdb :-) and heck, i don't even use gdb if i can avoid it. i'm old-school printf-debugging graduate |
| 10:04.29 | mhall | eeyore-: all of which describe my team |
| 10:04.41 | mhall | eeyore-: i like debug printouts too |
| 10:04.52 | mhall | eeyore-: but for certain stuff gdb really helps |
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| 10:05.10 | mhall | eeyore-: frontend is ok too, as long as you know one universal or nearly universal debugger |
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| 10:05.22 | mhall | eeyore-: and you know how to compile and run it on any given arch you might use |
| 10:05.24 | paulswm | helo: In other words, stay agnostic when it somes to technology, don't let bigotry restrict your options, be a tech whore :) |
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| 10:05.28 | eeyore- | mhall: ddd |
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| 10:05.52 | eeyore- | mhall: you know what, printf() is pretty darn universal ;-) |
| 10:06.14 | mhall | eeyore-: another thing worth knowing is how 32 / 64 bit stuff works |
| 10:06.23 | mhall | eeyore-: comes up a lot when you are a sparc developer |
| 10:06.46 | eeyore- | mhall: 32/64 has nothing on ARM's "interesting" endianess issues :-) |
| 10:06.48 | helo | i could definately use some MS knowledge |
| 10:07.05 | mhall | eeyore-: i guess i need to generalize |
| 10:07.13 | paulswm | mhall: I quite like the ddd front end to gdb, I must say. |
| 10:07.31 | mhall | eeyore-: computer organization, and general ideas about how processors represent data on the inside |
| 10:07.44 | mhall | eeyore-: how the von neumann architecture works |
| 10:08.01 | mhall | i think personally you learn this best by studying the MIPS chip |
| 10:08.25 | eeyore- | mhall: say, you have 32-bit data ABCD and you do 32-bit fetch, you get ABCD. if you do 8-bit fetch, do you get A, or D, or B, or C? |
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| 10:08.31 | mhall | also, people don't know enough about IEEE 754 floating point |
| 10:08.42 | mhall | eeyore-: yeah exactly |
| 10:08.56 | mhall | eeyore-: how do aligned / unaligned accesses work |
| 10:10.34 | mhall | not that i don't know |
| 10:10.41 | mhall | but that a person should know |
| 10:10.45 | mhall | another one that bothers me |
| 10:11.01 | mhall | people don't understand why C libraries are portable and C++ ones are not, except on IA64 |
| 10:11.24 | peterS | helo: what did dist-upgrade or dselect-upgrade do to you? |
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| 10:11.55 | helo | it failed out on djbdns, and said it had problems with some php4-?? packages |
| 10:11.56 | eeyore- | mhall: C++ libs nonportable? you refer to what specifically? |
| 10:12.22 | helo | now i'm wondering wth daemontools is and why it wants to create /services |
| 10:12.26 | peterS | helo: djbdns? that's not in debian, so no great surprise. php4, hmmm. |
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| 10:12.41 | peterS | helo: daemontools and djbdns go together, they're both written by dan bernstein |
| 10:13.26 | Bebabo | sarge: after apache-modconf enable mod_rewrite when i try to restart apache i get: "Cannot add module via name 'mod_rewrite.c': not in list of loaded modules" |
| 10:13.40 | mhall | eeyore-: name mangling and exception handling |
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| 10:13.54 | mhall | eeyore-: you cannot share C++ libraries among versions of compilers or among compilers |
| 10:14.04 | mhall | eeyore-: except on IA64 |
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| 10:14.57 | helo | php4-cli is failing because cp can't find a php.ini file in /usr/share/doc/...... |
| 10:14.58 | eeyore- | mhall: ABI's are not gonna be compatible for compiled libs, sure. but, other than that .... |
| 10:15.01 | valdyn | mhall: you just cant share them between certain different compilers |
| 10:15.24 | eeyore- | valdyn: or between gcc if different major versions |
| 10:15.31 | Bebabo | (with syntax error on line 8 of module.conf: "AddModule mod_rewrite.c") |
| 10:15.45 | valdyn | eeyore-: not even that, 3.4 w/ 4.0 works, 3.3 w/ 3.4 does not |
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| 10:16.39 | rikva | hi |
| 10:16.45 | eeyore- | mhall: OK, there's the thing with structured exception, whatever that is. since i don't use C++ i never bothered to learn :-) |
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| 10:17.30 | paulswm | All this seems to be a good argument againt developing anything in C++ that needs to be in any way portable. |
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| 10:17.56 | eeyore- | paulswm: for the most part, if you want cross-UNIX, you're pretty much limited to GCC |
| 10:18.01 | valdyn | oh, kde is quite portable |
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| 10:18.06 | brosio | when will go out sarge ? |
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| 10:18.14 | spdf | brosio, when its ready. |
| 10:18.19 | streuner_ | !wir |
| 10:18.19 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 10:18.29 | eeyore- | paulswm: if you want UNIX<->Windows, there are some rules to observe, but it's not hard |
| 10:18.32 | mhall | paulswm: um, no! |
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| 10:18.35 | streuner_ | brosio: you just can use sarge now |
| 10:18.39 | paulswm | eeyore-: or Java, of course |
| 10:18.45 | mhall | paulswm: it's source code compatible |
| 10:19.01 | mhall | paulswm: it only occurs when you have compiled it to machine code |
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| 10:19.09 | spdf | ls |
| 10:19.12 | mhall | paulswm: and only when not on IA64 |
| 10:19.12 | spdf | er. |
| 10:19.18 | mhall | spdf: foo bar baz boo |
| 10:19.22 | spdf | My Baddies. |
| 10:19.27 | spdf | foo shizzle. |
| 10:19.42 | mhall | that's what in /debian anyways |
| 10:19.43 | mhall | ;-) |
| 10:19.57 | valdyn | its quite a story how the gcc team got the abi standard wrong again and again ( but im not position to argue against them, they probably had good reason(s) ) |
| 10:20.23 | brosio | spdf, but why debian don't release a roadmap o or plan for year ? |
| 10:20.29 | spdf | brosio, there is one. |
| 10:20.39 | brosio | spdf, url ? |
| 10:20.46 | paulswm | mhall: "it's source code compatible but has problems with the object code" isn't a good argument for portability |
| 10:20.48 | helo | yay, upgraded |
| 10:20.51 | valdyn | brosio: debian has a quite decentral structure |
| 10:20.56 | helo | time to go to bed... |
| 10:21.02 | paulswm | Anyway, see ya guys later |
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| 10:21.05 | helo | night everyone, thanks for the conversation and help |
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| 10:21.07 | peterS | helo: that's pretty odd. I wonder why it was looking in /usr/share/doc, or for that matter, why php4-cli needed one at all in order to install |
| 10:21.15 | eeyore- | valdyn: i doubt anyone can come up with the correct solution the first time around |
| 10:21.25 | helo | it was trying to copy an example php.ini |
| 10:21.27 | valdyn | eeyore-: yea |
| 10:21.30 | eeyore- | valdyn: esp for things like C++ where i feel there's a tendency to come up with the next coolest feature |
| 10:21.43 | helo | there were php.ini-suggested and php.ini-paranoid or some such, but no plain php.ini |
| 10:21.43 | joss | hi all |
| 10:21.51 | mhall | argh |
| 10:21.55 | peterS | helo: ahhh |
| 10:22.05 | eeyore- | valdyn: that's unfair comment i think ... exception wasn't in the first C++ was it? |
| 10:22.14 | rikva | hi all, my tv-tuner module (saa7134) must be loaded with the parameter 'card=6'. How can I set up so debian (sarge) does this automatically on my system? |
| 10:22.30 | mhall | eeyore-: c++'s history is... interesting :-) |
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| 10:22.49 | valdyn | eeyore-: yea, i only was talking about the 3.x line though, where they had to fix parts of the abi in (almost) every minor release |
| 10:22.49 | mhall | all i know is, there are a lot of useful features |
| 10:22.54 | mhall | it's fast |
| 10:22.54 | eeyore- | mhall: right, so since c++ *itself* undergoes changes, it's obvious that library ABI's will have to change, as well |
| 10:22.58 | helo | thanks for the hand-holding, peterS |
| 10:23.00 | helo | night all |
| 10:23.01 | peterS | eeyore-: no, it wasn't. the ISO standards committee got hold of it and decided it needed huge numbers of features, one by one |
| 10:23.09 | mhall | it's powerful |
| 10:23.16 | mhall | it works better than Java |
| 10:23.39 | mhall | i haven't found any bugs in it, when compiled with GCC |
| 10:24.13 | mhall | exceptions are a lot more beautiful than the C equivalent |
| 10:24.18 | eeyore- | mhall: i don't know, for what i do i haven't found something that would excite me about exception ... |
| 10:24.26 | mhall | in C you always had to check the return value and the error code |
| 10:24.41 | mhall | it's error prone and sort of ugly |
| 10:24.47 | eeyore- | but, you *should* check the return value |
| 10:24.57 | mhall | wouldn't it be nice if you could just assign right to the variable and not have to check? |
| 10:25.08 | mhall | and then the function throws an exception when something is wrong |
| 10:25.16 | joss | Do someone try a dell inspiron 9300 install ? |
| 10:25.23 | valdyn | !laptops |
| 10:25.24 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 10:25.35 | mhall | yes, exceptions themselves are slow when they occur, but exceptions are by nature exceptional, so this is ok |
| 10:25.38 | joss | ok |
| 10:25.50 | mhall | and they do not penalize you when they do not get thrown |
| 10:25.51 | drac | This is my Debian, there are many like it but this one is mine. |
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| 10:26.22 | eeyore- | mhall: i don't know. for things that i could see using exceptions for, i use state machines |
| 10:26.26 | mhall | also, once one is thrown, you can choose where in the code you want to handle it |
| 10:26.48 | mhall | if you have to check a function error code and return value you are forced to do it in one spot |
| 10:26.54 | streuner | drac: its a good thing to get new debian users, but its NOT helpful to suggest unstable to newbies |
| 10:27.00 | mhall | with exceptions you have some choice about where the handler goes |
| 10:27.13 | eeyore- | mhall: but, that brings up another point. you can't always pick arbitrary place in the code you can handle exceptions |
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| 10:27.26 | eeyore- | mhall: many programs are divided into UI threads and non-UI threads ... |
| 10:27.32 | mhall | _you have some choice_ |
| 10:27.43 | mhall | not _you have total choice_ |
| 10:27.56 | drac | streuner? |
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| 10:28.10 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 10:28.11 | MobyTurbo | rikva: edit a file named /etc/modutils/saa7134, add "options saa7134 card=6", then run update-modules to move the changes to /etc/modules.conf |
| 10:28.30 | rikva | MobyTurbo: thanks, i'm gonna try it |
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| 10:29.19 | eeyore- | mhall: did c++ guys finally come up with solution to the not-fully-constructed objects? |
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| 10:29.27 | Aronofsky | im lookin forim looking for a very lightweight desktop environment, can you advice me some to tryes ? |
| 10:29.35 | Guerin | xfce4 |
| 10:29.44 | MobyTurbo | Aronofsky: pwm |
| 10:29.46 | eeyore- | mhall: you know, where in the constructor of an object, you run into a problem and the object really isn't "valid" in some ways |
| 10:30.17 | IDC | where i can find a lot of banners logos for debian or/and GNU ? |
| 10:30.17 | mhall | eeyore-: hmm |
| 10:30.19 | TwistedEmotions | Does lilo support bootsplash? |
| 10:30.38 | mhall | eeyore-: ok, what's supposed to happen then is, you throw bad_alloc |
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| 10:30.56 | MobyTurbo | Aronofsky: also check out this wiki page: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?MinimalLinuxUserInterfaces |
| 10:30.57 | eeyore- | mhall: but, it's not allocation per se. what if the object is statically defined? |
| 10:30.58 | Guerin | IDC: images.google.com |
| 10:31.03 | mhall | eeyore-: and the rule of exceptions is once you throw one your function is guaranteed not to complete |
| 10:31.03 | twirl83 | please anyone can help. |
| 10:31.05 | Aronofsky | Guerin, xfce has still too much features, i just want to have a little right-clic menu for exemple to exit, a terminal and background image , taht's all |
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| 10:31.17 | Guerin | Aronofsky: openbox |
| 10:31.18 | IDC | Guerin, ok |
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| 10:31.35 | voyd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.37 | mhall | eeyore-: well assignment on static data is atomic |
| 10:31.41 | IDC | cool |
| 10:31.43 | IDC | :D |
| 10:32.01 | mhall | eeyore-: if it's a valid assignment, it will succeed and not throw exceptions, or it would not compile in the first place |
| 10:32.43 | eeyore- | mhall: consider class foo constructor where the constructor tries to connect to SQL database, for example, and the database isn't there, or there's too many connections, etc. the object is *there* but it's unusable |
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| 10:33.40 | liable | voyd: check in preferences, for the connection bit |
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| 10:34.10 | phanter | hello, anybody who uses sphinx2 (speech recognition) and can tell me how it works (installed id but what now)? |
| 10:34.11 | mhall | eeyore-: err but you'd throw a network exception like in java |
| 10:34.17 | cTyDeHT | hiall |
| 10:34.24 | voyd | liable: http networking in preferences? |
| 10:34.24 | mhall | eeyore-: and the construction would then fail |
| 10:34.41 | cTyDeHT | is there somewhere outdated sid/sarge mirror with old samba packages ? |
| 10:34.57 | eeyore- | mhall: the construction would then fail, yes, but what if the object is static? class foo { ... }; foo bar;, like that :-) does the whole program fail? |
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| 10:35.24 | liable | voyd: dunno, cant be too confusing, firefox just has a tab for connection |
| 10:35.31 | valdyn | !tell cTyDeHT about sdn |
| 10:35.31 | mhall | eeyore-: now i see what you mean |
| 10:35.37 | eeyore- | mhall: exactly :-) |
| 10:35.40 | mhall | eeyore-: you are asking where the catch handler could go |
| 10:35.50 | voyd | i just dont understand why it can't even resolve dns queries |
| 10:36.01 | voyd | the settings i'm using are from a fresh install of mozilla |
| 10:36.03 | cTyDeHT | valdyn: thanks |
| 10:36.27 | mhall | eeyore-: i will have to think about that issue |
| 10:36.31 | valdyn | voyd: does either of those 2 use a proxy? |
| 10:36.38 | eeyore- | mhall: in my non OO brain, it's easy because i would just *check the return values* :-)))) |
| 10:36.45 | voyd | valdyn: no, direct internet connection |
| 10:36.53 | mhall | eeyore-: no you wouldn't |
| 10:37.00 | mhall | eeyore-: not on a static initialization |
| 10:37.04 | eeyore- | mhall: was kidding :-) you know what i mean |
| 10:37.31 | mhall | eeyore-: i think the thing to remember here is that c++ is allowing you to do this, but it does not mean you should |
| 10:37.32 | valdyn | voyd: 'dig www.mozilla.org' |
| 10:37.34 | eeyore- | mhall: i can't do that for static initialization anyway, there's no constructor to fail :-) would have to be explicit function call *which returns a value* |
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| 10:38.10 | mhall | eeyore-: i'm talking about the case of constructing a global variable, say a database handle |
| 10:38.17 | liable | mhall: eeyore- dont mean to be rude, but shouldn't this be in #c, I am thinking about ignoring you two, just cause your cluttering my screen with stuff thats unrelevent to debian |
| 10:38.41 | mhall | eeyore-: if it throws an exception your whole program would die |
| 10:38.41 | eeyore- | liable: well, #debian sometimes degenerate into things tangentially related to debian ;-) |
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| 10:38.44 | voyd | valdyn, hmm i don't have dig installed, does mozilla use dig for its dns queries? |
| 10:38.52 | valdyn | voyd: both use the same gethostbyname(), if one can resolve and the other cant, and both use a direct connection, then one of both must have the name cached while your dns server is not working |
| 10:38.53 | liable | eeyore-: true |
| 10:39.05 | brosio | anyone could sai to me merillat repository ? |
| 10:39.15 | mhall | eeyore-: i guess the general principle is not to declare things as static or global data when they're not just data |
| 10:39.24 | liable | brosio: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 10:39.39 | mhall | eeyore-: if they're actually code or they do something instead of having things done to them, then they need to be properly scoped |
| 10:39.43 | brosio | thx |
| 10:39.50 | valdyn | voyd: or try "nslookup <url>" |
| 10:39.57 | eeyore- | mhall: yeah, i'll stop this thread :-) but yeah, there are many products out there (libraries, api's etc.) that actually encourage you to declare static things that are way more complex than simple variables |
| 10:40.13 | mhall | eeyore-: it's one thing if it's a value like pi or a reference / lookup table |
| 10:40.33 | mhall | eeyore-: but i would have to say it's a bad idea to behave that way with an item that's really a piece of code |
| 10:40.54 | voyd | valdyn, www.mozilla.com A 207.126.111.202 (i used the host command) |
| 10:41.09 | mhall | eeyore-: you wouldn't find anything like that in STL or iostream or the libc headers |
| 10:41.28 | mhall | eeyore-: the libc headers have some static stuff, but it's all trivial things like errno |
| 10:41.40 | valdyn | voyd: www.mozilla.org has address 207.126.111.216 |
| 10:41.50 | mhall | eeyore-: and if errno fails to get set up right, it's probably good if your program dies |
| 10:41.55 | eeyore- | mhall: that's the rub, really. a lot of API's out there are a joke. seem like they're designed by new graduates without real experience handling error situations |
| 10:42.06 | mhall | eeyore-: very true |
| 10:42.20 | mhall | eeyore-: i had to code forever before i could really understand errors |
| 10:42.30 | voyd | :/ |
| 10:42.32 | mhall | eeyore-: just recently i had to write an input validator |
| 10:42.41 | mhall | eeyore-: it was my first state machine based code |
| 10:42.54 | mhall | eeyore-: and i had to do some insane checks on the data |
| 10:43.34 | valdyn | voyd: oh, .com... those IP are good |
| 10:43.53 | valdyn | voyd: restart your browser, try again |
| 10:44.06 | brosio | i can't find maplyer on my repository :| |
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| 10:44.21 | liable | brosio: run apt-get update? |
| 10:44.23 | brosio | deb http://ftp2.it.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 10:44.32 | brosio | something miss? |
| 10:44.39 | voyd | valdyn, i've tried.. same problem |
| 10:44.42 | brosio | liable, yes |
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| 10:45.02 | liable | brosio: you need marillat, is it supposed to be in that one? |
| 10:45.04 | voyd | valdyn, i can't access any web site whatsoever in mozilla |
| 10:45.10 | valdyn | voyd: what if you try the IP directly? |
| 10:45.20 | brosio | liable, i try but i get error |
| 10:45.24 | voyd | valdyn, it just hangs at 'resolving www.domain.com' |
| 10:45.30 | voyd | valdyn, i will try now |
| 10:45.34 | brosio | Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net sid/main Packages |
| 10:45.35 | brosio | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.35 | brosio | Hit http://ftp2.it.debian.org sid/contrib Sources |
| 10:45.40 | brosio | but isn't my ip |
| 10:45.43 | Overand | crash course in exporting nfs share and mounting it? |
| 10:45.47 | lichobg | i have question, i downloaded debian 3.0r2 if i download update-3.0 r5 can i run it over r2 or must have r0 |
| 10:45.51 | Guerin | brosio: traceroute it |
| 10:46.01 | voyd | valdyn, the ip works great |
| 10:46.03 | drac | brosio: You have browser open at nerim.net? |
| 10:46.23 | valdyn | voyd: your browser is installed via apt-get or a package from mozilla.org ? |
| 10:46.34 | voyd | valdyn, apt-get |
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| 10:47.09 | Overand | when I try to mount an NFS share, I get "mount: RPC: Program not registered" |
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| 10:47.22 | brosio | now workks |
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| 10:48.18 | Overand | ugh, helpsif i have nfs server installed =P |
| 10:48.20 | valdyn | voyd: truely strange error, i would switch off the disk cache ( enter about:config in the url bar and set browser.cache.disk.enable to false ) and restart and try again |
| 10:48.22 | voyd | this may seem silly, but how do i install 'dig' using apt-get? when i do a apt-get install dig it can't find the package |
| 10:48.32 | voyd | valdyn, ok |
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| 10:49.04 | valdyn | voyd: you dont really need it, but package is dnsutils |
| 10:49.16 | tarzeau | lichobg: if you have network you can get to r5 with apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 10:49.33 | valdyn | voyd: binaries just use 'gethostbyname()' |
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| 10:50.39 | lichobg | tarzeau: i know this but i have iso of r2 and updater5 iso |
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| 10:51.01 | voyd | valdyn, ok i've tried changing that setting to false, restarted mozilla, and nothing :/ |
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| 10:51.28 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how I can patch my kernel so I can use lilo bootsplash? |
| 10:51.31 | shariz0r | Hola |
| 10:51.32 | shariz0r | buenas |
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| 10:51.52 | valdyn | voyd: both browsers are on the same computer, right? |
| 10:52.00 | TwistedEmotions | How do I get to that one screen that allows for me to add/remove suppose for all the hardware on my computer? |
| 10:52.08 | TwistedEmotions | *support |
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| 10:52.41 | voyd | valdyn, of course |
| 10:52.50 | liable | TwistedEmotions: http://www.desktop-linux.net/bootsplash.htm |
| 10:53.00 | voyd | this is mind boggling :/ |
| 10:53.17 | voyd | valdyn, I'm going to remove the ~/.mozilla directory and see how i go |
| 10:53.27 | TwistedEmotions | liable: Thanks... |
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| 10:53.38 | eeyore- | TwistedEmotions: you'd probably enjoy "gensplash" more |
| 10:53.51 | TwistedEmotions | liable: This Account Has Been Suspended. |
| 10:54.06 | valdyn | voyd: maybe konqueror is using a proxy.. |
| 10:54.08 | voyd | valdyn, haha that actually worked!! i removed that directory and restarted mozilla, and bang! |
| 10:54.28 | TwistedEmotions | eeyore-: What is that? |
| 10:54.29 | valdyn | voyd: ah, nice |
| 10:54.33 | liable | TwistedEmotions: bugger :( |
| 10:54.39 | voyd | valdyn, nah neither browser is using a proxy, i think i must of just had some weird settings in that folder for some strange reason |
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| 10:54.49 | voyd | valdyn, thank you for your time and help anyway :) |
| 10:55.02 | eeyore- | TwistedEmotions: it was started to be replacement for bootsplash, for gentoo. but, it's applicable to other distros too |
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| 10:55.20 | TwistedEmotions | eeyore-: Cool... will look at it. |
| 10:55.49 | IDC | check this picture http://people.debian.org/~rb/lt2k-group-names.jpg :D |
| 10:56.00 | IDC | They are the develop team ? |
| 10:56.02 | d0t-bat | Does anyone know what is involved in running 2 interfaces on the same subnet? (ie. 10.10.10.1 =eth0 and 10.10.10.2 =eth1 and both can see/speak to each other and clients can see each other etc..) ? |
| 10:56.25 | liable | TwistedEmotions: try this one then http://bootsplash.de/ |
| 10:56.32 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: Wow... theyre 12YO... |
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| 10:56.56 | liable | ^^ you'll need that in sources anyway |
| 10:57.04 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, what does that mean ? |
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| 10:57.15 | TwistedEmotions | they look 12 years old. |
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| 10:57.54 | TwistedEmotions | brb |
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| 10:58.27 | whm | anyone succeed in driving km400A's IGP on kernel 2.6.11??? |
| 10:59.02 | rikva | MobyTurbo: thx for the help, but 'options saa7134 card=6' doesnt work. When i run this command: 'modprobe -r saa7134; modprobe saa7134 card=6' my tuner works... |
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| 10:59.47 | ataq | Would Debian be a goods Linux games platform, as in would you think it may be faster than SuSE? |
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| 11:00.37 | d0t-bat | Does anyone know what is involved in running 2 interfaces on the same subnet? (ie. 10.10.10.1 =eth0 and 10.10.10.2 =eth1 and both can see/speak to each other and clients can see each other etc..) ? |
| 11:00.37 | Overand | ataq: probably somewhat |
| 11:00.38 | voyd | valdyn, turns out that fix now only lets me contact mozilla.org |
| 11:00.46 | voyd | valdyn, i still cannot access anything else :( |
| 11:01.21 | ataq | Really Overand? And in Debain is thre many drivers support in the install like Suse? |
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| 11:02.33 | Guerin | ataq: what hardware do you need to drive? |
| 11:03.08 | whm | anyone succeed in driving km400A's IGP on kernel 2.6.11???the graphic driver!!!!!! |
| 11:03.33 | Guerin | !ep |
| 11:03.33 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 11:03.39 | ataq | P4, Radeon 9000, Netopia DSL adapter, Ac'97 soundcard. Would they be commonly available? |
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| 11:04.10 | Guerin | if it works in suse, it should work in debian |
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| 11:04.30 | Nemoder | you might want to use the proprietory ATI driver for commercial games though |
| 11:04.43 | ataq | Yeah Thanks |
| 11:04.54 | ataq | As in the one from ati.com yeah? |
| 11:04.58 | Nemoder | ya |
| 11:05.02 | ataq | thanks |
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| 11:05.11 | [Granger] | Nemoder: heh you mean ATI has drivers for Linux these days? ;) |
| 11:05.13 | drac | ataq: To get Direct Rendering with Radeon 9000 card, use driver "radeon" in XF86Config-4 or xorg.conf, and load modules 'drm' and 'radeon' to kernel. Don't use ATi's drivers, you'll get less FPS and more poor image quality. |
| 11:05.16 | ataq | whats the latest version of Debian |
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| 11:05.31 | Nemoder | [Granger]: they claim to, personally i'm playing it safe with nvidia :) |
| 11:05.35 | helo | so... i decided to reboot to make sure everything is ok |
| 11:05.38 | whm | 8.10.12 |
| 11:05.41 | helo | i get LI |
| 11:05.50 | ataq | Really? I never knew that drac, thanks a million |
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| 11:05.51 | whm | for ati |
| 11:05.52 | eeyore- | helo: that's lilo for you |
| 11:05.55 | eeyore- | helo: use grub |
| 11:05.59 | Guerin | !d-i ataq |
| 11:05.59 | dpkg | ataq, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:06.06 | helo | so i boot from the rescue CD, but it is kernel 2.2, not 2.4 |
| 11:06.12 | helo | so i can't repair lilo |
| 11:06.12 | eeyore- | helo: it's not a bad issue ... you just need rescue cd |
| 11:06.16 | raf256 | can debian mount a .tar or .tgz or .zip file like /home/user/books.tgz -> /books ? |
| 11:06.18 | eeyore- | helo: sure you can |
| 11:06.23 | eeyore- | helo: "chroot is your friend" |
| 11:06.36 | Guerin | raf256: why the fuck would you want to? |
| 11:06.37 | ataq | ok dpkg whatever you say ; ) |
| 11:06.39 | helo | i'll remember that |
| 11:06.40 | Gathond | Nemoder: the Xfree86 ati driver works fine, with the cards (up to and including 9250 iirc) that it supports |
| 11:06.46 | Guerin | raf256: just untargz it |
| 11:06.47 | eeyore- | helo: it matters squat what your *current environment* is, as long as you can chroot to your other environment on disk |
| 11:06.49 | Eclipser | how do I find the smallest ogg file in some directory? |
| 11:06.53 | helo | but i don't know how to use chroot that well |
| 11:07.06 | raf256 | Guerin: so I dont have to unfackingpack the files on each fucking access |
| 11:07.12 | Nemoder | Gathond: does the xfree driver work with doom3 utk24 etc? |
| 11:07.14 | helo | ok, i have my partition mounted on /mnt |
| 11:07.17 | helo | chroot /mnt |
| 11:07.19 | ataq | And that driver is standard in the installation or do I have to download it else where? |
| 11:07.25 | eeyore- | helo: mkdir /tmp/my-root; mount /... /tmp/my-root; chroot /tmp/my-root /bin/bash; in there, you'd run "lilo", sync, umount, and reboot |
| 11:07.28 | raf256 | Guerin: like if I have 2 GB of books on 1 GB partition |
| 11:07.32 | Eclipser | Nemoder, most likely not |
| 11:07.39 | Guerin | Eclipser: ls -l *.ogg |awk '{print $x}' |sort -r |head |
| 11:07.45 | Eclipser | Guerin, thanks |
| 11:07.46 | drac | ataq: In standard XFree 4.3 and 2.6 kernel. |
| 11:07.55 | Guerin | Eclipser: where x=the column where the filesize is |
| 11:07.56 | drac | ataq: Doom 3 won't work, but all other games do work. |
| 11:07.57 | eeyore- | helo: upgrade to grub as soon as you can |
| 11:08.01 | eeyore- | helo: it's more civilized |
| 11:08.11 | helo | i think lilo's config file is easier |
| 11:08.12 | Gathond | Nemoder: never tried, tried NWN and ET and that works great, why should it not, it accelerates teh OpenGL layer, and the game just executes OpenGL calls, it is not like the 2 communicete directly |
| 11:08.12 | Guerin | i think he needs lilo for raid root |
| 11:08.17 | ataq | great, Doom scares me anyway!!! lol, thanks very much |
| 11:08.21 | helo | and yes, lilo handles raid root nicely |
| 11:08.28 | eeyore- | helo: riiiiiiight, and you run into various lilo boot issues every now and then |
| 11:08.30 | Gathond | Nemoder: dont think doom3 is playable on a radeon 9250 or lower though |
| 11:08.41 | helo | only when i forget to run lilo after upgrading it |
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| 11:08.57 | Nemoder | Gathond: ah ok, I didnt know the open driver was that far along |
| 11:09.02 | Guerin | raf256: just unpack the whole lot |
| 11:09.08 | eeyore- | helo: so, you want raid /, you get raid /. you just have to get non-raid /boot :-) |
| 11:09.14 | raf256 | Guerin: I dont have enought freaking disc space |
| 11:09.18 | helo | too late for that |
| 11:09.20 | Guerin | raf256: you suck, dude |
| 11:09.28 | Bebabo | how do i enable mod_proxy ? (sarge apache1.3) |
| 11:09.32 | raf256 | Guerin: even DOS supported compressed partitons, realy linux cant do that? |
| 11:09.34 | Gathond | Nemoder: it is complete, it is just not made for the current version of the Rxxx series (only until R2xx i think) |
| 11:09.42 | eeyore- | helo: non-raid /boot is good idea anyway, even if grub can handle raid /boot |
| 11:09.44 | Guerin | raf256: a file isn't a fucking partition |
| 11:10.01 | raf256 | Guerin: it can be. *.iso file for example |
| 11:10.05 | eeyore- | raf256: of course it can |
| 11:10.13 | [Granger] | raf256: you mount an iso |
| 11:10.15 | eeyore- | Guerin: loopback-mounted, anyone? |
| 11:10.17 | Guerin | an iso file is a fucking filesystem |
| 11:10.18 | Gathond | raf256: compressed partitions is not the same as mounting any generic compressed archive |
| 11:10.29 | [Granger] | you don't mount compressed archives |
| 11:10.38 | eeyore- | Guerin: mmm, is swearing really necessary to make your point any more clear? |
| 11:10.43 | [Granger] | this isn't Windows XP with Explorer traversing zip files |
| 11:10.43 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:10.46 | Guerin | i reckon it is |
| 11:10.49 | raf256 | Gathond: I know. Why not mount compressed archives? Knoppix do something like taht |
| 11:11.06 | raf256 | [Granger]: so YOu say winXP is better in that matter then linux is? |
| 11:11.17 | [Granger] | no, I say that XP offers that feature |
| 11:11.20 | Gathond | raf256: knoppix mounts a compressed loopback filesystem, that is designed for that purpose, not the same thing |
| 11:11.23 | [Granger] | but it sucks though |
| 11:11.26 | raf256 | [Granger]: and linux doesnt? that sucks |
| 11:11.27 | Guerin | raf256: alias readbook =something which rips out the file you want and pipes it to less |
| 11:11.29 | eeyore- | raf256: gnome, and possibly others, have vfs that can peek inside a .tar.gz as if it were valid directories |
| 11:11.36 | Guerin | tar has a -t option which does this |
| 11:11.40 | [Granger] | raf256: stop bashing the os |
| 11:11.45 | eeyore- | raf256: gnome stuff extends to FTP:// and other protocols, too |
| 11:11.58 | raf256 | eeyore-: I know, but I, interested can this be done transparently so that all programs can read from that... |
| 11:11.59 | Guerin | Bebabo: apt-get install libapache-mod-proxy; zless /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-proxy/* |
| 11:12.00 | [Granger] | and wtf it's not even Linux proper we're talking about |
| 11:12.10 | raf256 | [Granger]: ok |
| 11:12.15 | [Granger] | raf256: so write a wrapper script that does it for you |
| 11:12.17 | [Granger] | problem solved |
| 11:12.35 | eeyore- | raf256: compressed filesystem, yes. but, a .tar.gz really isn't the right solution for this sort of thing |
| 11:12.35 | Nemoder | there is a cloop module but I think it's read only |
| 11:12.37 | raf256 | ok, so - can I make myself somethink like knoppix use? Convert my big .tgz into this knoppix-tyle-compressed-image-thingy and mount it? |
| 11:12.39 | Guerin | a wrapper line, itym |
| 11:12.49 | Guerin | just go and buy a fucking hard disk |
| 11:12.49 | nunez | this channel is fuckin huge |
| 11:12.52 | Guerin | or delete some porn |
| 11:12.54 | raf256 | eeyore-: what is the right solution then? (what to "man" and "apt-get") |
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| 11:13.03 | eeyore- | raf256: one sec |
| 11:13.04 | [Granger] | raf256: man intellegence |
| 11:13.06 | [Granger] | and go from there |
| 11:13.11 | nunez | Deleting porn is unacceptable |
| 11:13.11 | raf256 | Guerin: thats I fucking inteligent answer |
| 11:13.12 | [Granger] | intelligence* |
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| 11:13.22 | raf256 | s/I/a |
| 11:13.43 | [Granger] | it's a freaking tar.gz file |
| 11:13.45 | Guerin | raf256: I already told you an answer |
| 11:13.49 | [Granger] | if you don't have the space to unpack it |
| 11:13.51 | Guerin | raf256: man tar to make it happen |
| 11:13.52 | [Granger] | you need more space |
| 11:13.57 | HobNob | MuSTaFa is advertising |
| 11:13.59 | Gathond | raf256: research what it is knopppix uses of compressed loop back filesystem and go from there (I cant remember what it is) |
| 11:14.04 | raf256 | [Granger]: or a compressed filesystem/partition |
| 11:14.07 | [Granger] | not an elegant untarring solution |
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| 11:14.24 | liable | HobNob: !ops foo is spambot |
| 11:14.27 | [Granger] | Gathond: he's probably not skilled enough to cook up something like that |
| 11:14.37 | [Granger] | or he wouldn't be in here whining about it |
| 11:14.40 | HobNob | !ops MuSTaFa is spambot |
| 11:14.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: MuSTaFa is spambot |
| 11:14.53 | Guerin | a single fucking tar line |
| 11:14.55 | Guerin | honestly |
| 11:15.03 | [Granger] | you know |
| 11:15.18 | [Granger] | I've been a Windows XP user for four years, op for two of those years |
| 11:15.28 | [Granger] | and the zip peering feature is just about the lamest of all in XP |
| 11:15.31 | eeyore- | raf256: i suppose you have to research. there's sqashfs which gentoo uses, but that's read-only |
| 11:15.40 | [Granger] | it utilizes on the fly decompression |
| 11:15.43 | [Granger] | and is slow like hell |
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| 11:15.45 | raf256 | eeyore-: yes, I want it to be read only |
| 11:15.50 | eeyore- | raf256: there's cramfs but that's more for static data, and *possibly* not write able |
| 11:15.59 | streuner | What was the wallop again about CTCP? |
| 11:16.01 | eeyore- | raf256: readonly, then squashfs ... |
| 11:16.10 | raf256 | I think cramfs is what knoppix uses |
| 11:16.32 | eeyore- | raf256: squashfs |
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| 11:16.56 | eeyore- | oh, you said knoppix |
| 11:16.58 | eeyore- | no idea |
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| 11:17.01 | streuner | eeyore-: you are an OP? |
| 11:17.05 | liable | are all the ops on holidays this weekend? |
| 11:17.09 | whm | anyone succeed in driving km400A's IGP on kernel 2.6.11???the graphic driver |
| 11:17.12 | eeyore- | streuner: i hardly use my @ these days |
| 11:17.27 | eeyore- | streuner: why? |
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| 11:17.43 | liable | eeyore-: ^^ spambot |
| 11:17.46 | drac | whm: What card is that exactly? lspci | grep -i vga |
| 11:17.53 | [Granger] | heh |
| 11:17.56 | liable | eeyore-: MuSTaFa |
| 11:17.59 | [Granger] | eeyore- you're scaring people off |
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| 11:18.07 | raf256 | does Linux have something like .zip - compressed FS with index? like .zip do |
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| 11:18.17 | raf256 | I mena something more unix-like then zip |
| 11:18.21 | streuner | nothing |
| 11:18.22 | [Granger] | raf256: we already covered this |
| 11:18.23 | whm | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01) |
| 11:18.24 | [Granger] | scroll up |
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| 11:18.29 | [Granger] | about three to four screens |
| 11:18.30 | drac | whm: If it's S3/VIA UniChrome.. You'll need X.Org and driver "via" |
| 11:18.34 | whm | it's like this |
| 11:18.37 | drac | whm: ah, like I suspected. |
| 11:18.48 | whm | hoho |
| 11:18.54 | raf256 | how can I install gcc 4.0 for user USER? |
| 11:18.59 | raf256 | (on sarge) |
| 11:19.00 | eeyore- | whm: oh joy ... the wonderful wild-west world of unichrome. |
| 11:19.07 | eeyore- | whm: i hope you have a few months to spare |
| 11:19.09 | whm | but i use xfree86 4.3 |
| 11:19.18 | Guerin | raf256: what? |
| 11:19.21 | drac | whm: http://www.x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/via.4.html |
| 11:19.21 | qwertz_ | Is there a simple way to get the changelog of a packet that apt-get upgrade wants to install? |
| 11:19.26 | Guerin | raf256: man apt-get |
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| 11:19.37 | drac | whm: Then check if it has driver "via", i'm not sure about that. |
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| 11:19.43 | raf256 | Guerin: this apt-get build src thingy? |
| 11:19.47 | whm | ok |
| 11:19.48 | whm | i will try |
| 11:19.49 | eeyore- | raf256: gcc 4.0 is not something you want to use at the moment |
| 11:19.56 | Guerin | raf256: no. Just install the fucking thing. |
| 11:20.10 | raf256 | Guerin: the fucking thing is not in sarge or even SID afair |
| 11:20.15 | [Granger] | raf256: did you even bother reading the debian documentation before you installed this? |
| 11:20.33 | [Granger] | or did you think that debian was just gonna be another "windows experience"? |
| 11:20.45 | Guerin | raf256: well, if you don't know how to build something from source, you sure as shit don't need gcc4 |
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| 11:20.48 | eeyore- | raf256: i would think that debian stuff is going to install in the usual /usr directories. when you say "install gcc 4 for a user", do you mean "localize it to $HOME" or some such? if so, you have to set "--prefix=" when configuring |
| 11:20.52 | raf256 | [Granger]: and why so stupid assumtion about windows experience? |
| 11:21.15 | [Granger] | raf256: because frankly, you're talking like the windows n00bs I deal with on a daily basis |
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| 11:21.22 | Guerin | raf256: it seems hard to assume anything too stupid about you. |
| 11:21.31 | eeyore- | raf256: but, even then there are issues. you'll have to add to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, set linker paths, adjust libtool paths, etc. |
| 11:21.33 | raf256 | eeyore-: the problem, not noticed by Guerin obviously, is that gcc 4.0 is not in any debian repository yet. Anyway I would like to build it from sourcces |
| 11:21.34 | [Granger] | "How do I do this?" "Where do I click to install this?" |
| 11:21.41 | eeyore- | raf256: it's certainly not something "an apt command" is going to fix for you |
| 11:21.43 | Guerin | so fucking do it |
| 11:21.47 | Guerin | it's not rocket science |
| 11:21.57 | eeyore- | Guerin: it *is* rocket science |
| 11:21.59 | [Granger] | /.configure |
| 11:22.02 | [Granger] | make |
| 11:22.03 | Guerin | where are the rockets? |
| 11:22.04 | eeyore- | Guerin: for GCC |
| 11:22.05 | [Granger] | make install |
| 11:22.05 | [Granger] | done |
| 11:22.16 | Trewas | raf256: gcc 4.0 is in experimental |
| 11:22.44 | [Granger] | heh |
| 11:22.51 | liable | Guerin: I think i'd like to sit in the back of your class for a day :) |
| 11:22.55 | [Granger] | and nobody sane touches debian experimental |
| 11:22.56 | Overand | what was that article about some major improvement in gcc with like an 80% speed boost or something that hit /. ? |
| 11:23.02 | Overand | sounded like magical hoodoo BS |
| 11:23.05 | Guerin | hah |
| 11:23.20 | eeyore- | Guerin: you're talking about parallel installation of two complete toolchains, right? one alongside the other, and you'll want to use the right includes/libs right? that gets interesting |
| 11:23.36 | Guerin | well, there's a lot of betterness for c++ code |
| 11:23.50 | eeyore- | Guerin: no there isn't, at the moment. |
| 11:23.51 | [Granger] | in GCC 4.0? |
| 11:23.53 | raf256 | Overfiend: btw, my project compiles in 3 minutes on debian/gcc 3.4 and on windows/mingw/gcc 3.2 it takes... 32 minutes :] |
| 11:23.53 | [Granger] | hmm... |
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| 11:24.16 | [Granger] | why the hell are you using GCC in Windows? |
| 11:24.25 | Guerin | eeyore-: oh, yeah. My point is primarily thatif he can't figure out how to do it himself, or how to find out how to do it himself, it's very unlikely he actually needs to use it. |
| 11:24.30 | eeyore- | Overand: no, GCC4 makes poorer code (at the moment) than 3.4.3 |
| 11:24.33 | raf256 | [Granger]: because my project is written in gcc *duh* |
| 11:24.37 | Guerin | oh, i may be wrong about that then |
| 11:24.42 | [Granger] | raf256: you don't use GCC in windows |
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| 11:24.53 | [Granger] | not unless you've gone completely bonkers |
| 11:25.00 | ori | Hi |
| 11:25.09 | Guerin | there are some g++ improvements, though, right? or am I just misremembering? |
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| 11:25.22 | Guerin | your project is written in gcc? |
| 11:25.25 | Gathond | [Granger]: is there a free alternative on windows? |
| 11:25.25 | helo | whew |
| 11:25.28 | helo | that was nasty |
| 11:25.29 | [Granger] | there's a very optimized albeit a bit non-standard compliant compiler in Windows called Microsoft Visual C++.NET |
| 11:25.39 | [Granger] | Gathond: if you're gonna program in Windows |
| 11:25.41 | Guerin | you should have written it in mpg321 instead |
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| 11:25.43 | [Granger] | you gotta use their own compiler |
| 11:25.44 | eeyore- | Guerin: GCC 3.4.3 has improvements compared to earlier generations ... |
| 11:25.50 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 11:25.53 | eeyore- | Guerin: and GCC 4 has room for future growth |
| 11:25.53 | raf256 | [Granger]: wtf I should use gcc in win?? |
| 11:25.56 | SuperSox | you can't really call .NET non statndard compliant, its an entire framework, therefore its own standard. |
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| 11:26.14 | eeyore- | Guerin: but as it is, GCC 4 is a point-oh release, as such, it is less than optimal :-) |
| 11:26.15 | Gathond | [Granger]: no you dont have to if gcc works, it might be a good idea to user their own, but you dont have to |
| 11:26.21 | [Granger] | SuperSox: I was referring to the C++ and comparing it to ANSI C++ |
| 11:26.23 | Guerin | eeyore-: currently :) |
| 11:26.24 | raf256 | [Granger]: Im not lame enought to write in microsoft compilers, also my project is deveopled on linux in gcc |
| 11:26.33 | eeyore- | good night |
| 11:26.33 | [Granger] | Gathond: it's a great idea if you want to get done anytime soon |
| 11:26.34 | Guerin | in gcc |
| 11:26.38 | [Granger] | as raf256 just proved |
| 11:26.42 | eeyore- | try not to kill each other while i'm gone |
| 11:26.47 | [Granger] | GCC for windows is hardly optimized in the same way VC++ is |
| 11:26.48 | helo | i can't get lilo's raid support to work, it says "not a RAID install" |
| 11:26.50 | SuperSox | C++.NET != C++ |
| 11:26.51 | Guerin | that's amazing, I've never heard of a project devloped in a compiler before |
| 11:26.53 | eeyore- | :-) |
| 11:26.59 | raf256 | [Granger]: and I dont give a fuck about that |
| 11:27.05 | eeyore- | Guerin: you haven't seen Windows projects |
| 11:27.11 | [Granger] | raf256: if you program in GCC |
| 11:27.15 | [Granger] | you stay in linux |
| 11:27.15 | eeyore- | Guerin: once you do something in VC++ you're *wed* to that thing |
| 11:27.19 | raf256 | [Granger]: if I would choose MSVC then there would be no linux ersion |
| 11:27.20 | Guerin | hah |
| 11:27.23 | [Granger] | you don't go hacking way in cgywin |
| 11:27.27 | HobNob | how can you program in gcc? |
| 11:27.31 | raf256 | [Granger]: mingw |
| 11:27.31 | Guerin | he can't |
| 11:27.35 | HobNob | lol madness |
| 11:27.39 | Guerin | so, once again, I call eejit |
| 11:27.48 | [Granger] | HobNob: gcc is a compiler |
| 11:27.50 | [Granger] | not an IDE |
| 11:27.54 | HobNob | indeed, thats my point |
| 11:27.56 | Guerin | or a language |
| 11:27.58 | raf256 | HobNob: g++ foo.c ? |
| 11:27.59 | Gathond | HobNob: you cant, ... or you might be able to use some code constructs only gcc understands I guess |
| 11:28.09 | [Granger] | but in the Microsoft World |
| 11:30.48 | [Granger] | there's no concept of a standalone compiler |
| 11:30.48 | raf256 | [Granger]: that was a mind shortcut, Watson. |
| 11:30.48 | helo | i used to use gcc as a text editor |
| 11:30.48 | [Granger] | you buy a copy of VS.NET |
| 11:30.48 | [Granger] | IDE + compiler |
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| 11:30.48 | helo | its very tricky, but possible |
| 11:30.48 | raf256 | [Granger]: as editor I use vim |
| 11:30.48 | HobNob | hmm this james blunt album i have bought is quite good |
| 11:30.48 | helo | i had to do a lot of filtering on its input, but it did work |
| 11:30.48 | enyc | Hrrrm, where does the debian-sarge version of fluxbox choose its' xterm from? |
| 11:30.48 | [Granger] | raf256: with your level of stupidity I'm surprised you can even boot Debian |
| 11:30.49 | enyc | does it always run /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator (an /etc/alternatives link) ? |
| 11:30.49 | Guerin | NP: Devon_Irons_-_Vampire |
| 11:30.49 | raf256 | [Granger]: with your level on beeing unpolite Im supprised you are still on this channel |
| 11:30.49 | Guerin | haha |
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| 11:30.49 | [Granger] | first off, it's impolite |
| 11:30.49 | liable | heh |
| 11:30.49 | [Granger] | if you're gonna insult me, at least do it properly |
| 11:30.49 | raf256 | [Granger]: like picking on spelling mistake for instance ;) |
| 11:30.50 | falco1 | hello |
| 11:30.50 | MobyTurbo | enyc: use update-alternatives to change it, or you can hack the menu file itself - but you really want Debian's menu system to do that. |
| 11:30.50 | raf256 | [Granger]: with makes you both an ass and incompatible with freenode's policy btw |
| 11:30.50 | Guerin | raf256: with the fact that you come in trolling and askking stupid questions without having done even the smallest bit of background research, and then pissing and moaning because the solutions provided actually require you to lift a finger, I'm surprised people are still talking to you |
| 11:30.50 | Guerin | !order |
| 11:30.50 | dpkg | it has been said that order is if you're having trouble with something: 0) read the manpages 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule. |
| 11:30.50 | falco1 | jest tu ktos z Polski |
| 11:30.50 | Guerin | raf256: ^^^ nota bene |
| 11:30.50 | liable | what,the freenode ploicy says you cant insult? |
| 11:30.50 | raf256 | falco1: no, we speak english here |
| 11:30.52 | MobyTurbo | !polish |
| 11:30.52 | dpkg | polish is, like, spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl |
| 11:30.56 | [Granger] | raf256: you're expecting Windows functionality in a Linux distro |
| 11:31.04 | [Granger] | then you ask how to compile something in debian experimental |
| 11:31.08 | MobyTurbo | liable: that sounds like an insulting policy |
| 11:31.10 | [Granger] | and then you use a gnu compiler in Windows |
| 11:31.10 | falco1 | thanks |
| 11:31.14 | liable | hehe |
| 11:31.18 | raf256 | [Granger]: no. Im expecting linux/debian to have more functionality then windows do. |
| 11:31.21 | Guerin | and claim to be developing your app in a compiler |
| 11:31.26 | Guerin | it does |
| 11:31.28 | [Granger] | raf256: it does |
| 11:31.29 | Guerin | just not THE SAME |
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| 11:31.37 | [Granger] | you just gotta have an IQ of at least 50 to operate it |
| 11:31.39 | raf256 | cool |
| 11:31.47 | [Granger] | and not expect point click |
| 11:31.51 | Guerin | what you want is everything that windows does, straight out of the box, and more. It's not that way. |
| 11:31.53 | [Granger] | because if you are, go back to Windows |
| 11:32.09 | raf256 | [Granger]: I have 130 actually so ok |
| 11:32.09 | Guerin | hah |
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| 11:32.09 | Guerin | sure, buddy |
| 11:32.10 | [Granger] | raf256: you forgot the minus sign |
| 11:32.16 | Guerin | anyway |
| 11:32.22 | Guerin | enough trollsnacks |
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| 11:32.39 | [Granger] | heh |
| 11:32.43 | raf256 | [Granger]: yes, Im shure the IQ can be minus, sinc it is calculated like points/avarage_points*100 where points is beeing a positive number |
| 11:32.52 | giupy | must a modem router setted to bridge for use it under linux? |
| 11:33.17 | [Granger] | I don't see why you'd need to do anything spcial to use a router under Linux |
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| 11:33.28 | [Granger] | 192.168.0.1 > Go! |
| 11:33.33 | raf256 | [Granger]: I dont want point-and-click, I asked how to apt-get the sources needed to build gcc 4.0.0. apt-get build src gcc-4.0.0 was it? |
| 11:33.41 | HobNob | s/shure/sure/ |
| 11:33.41 | Guerin | no |
| 11:34.00 | Guerin | man apt_preferences; man sources.list |
| 11:34.02 | giupy | but pppoeconf can't configure my connection |
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| 11:34.22 | [Granger] | giupy: you sure this thing is Linux compatible? |
| 11:34.30 | streuner_ | What modem do you have? |
| 11:34.31 | MobyTurbo | !nickometer raf256 |
| 11:34.31 | dpkg | 'raf256' is 24.000% lame, mobyturbo |
| 11:34.32 | smhar | hello |
| 11:35.02 | giupy | yesterday i have setted it to bridge and all was well but if i try "routing" mode it doesn't go |
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| 11:35.15 | streuner_ | What modem do you have? |
| 11:35.17 | [Granger] | not sure giupy |
| 11:35.18 | smhar | I have a strange problem with my monitor recently (hardware) .. a lot of flickering!! I hope it is not serious |
| 11:35.26 | giupy | zixel 600 series |
| 11:35.37 | [Granger] | smhar: did you check the cable? |
| 11:35.40 | jesperj | If one was to install a debian system in the near future, what would be the best approach with Sarge's upcoming release (expected the 30th I heard). 1) to install from a woody cd and then upgrade to sarge over net when it is released, 2) wait for sarge to be released and download offical iso and install from that 3) download the current sarge netinstall iso and install sarge now |
| 11:35.43 | jesperj | 4) other |
| 11:35.45 | jesperj | ;) |
| 11:35.55 | Guerin | smhar: sudden monitor flickering where there was none before is a possible warning sign that it's about to fail |
| 11:35.57 | HobNob | netinstall |
| 11:36.04 | liable | jesperj: now |
| 11:36.09 | Guerin | !d-i jesperj |
| 11:36.09 | dpkg | jesperj, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:36.16 | smhar | [Granger], yes |
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| 11:36.18 | MobyTurbo | jesperj: 3 |
| 11:36.20 | Overand | smhar: fortunately, LCD monitors are *very* cheap now |
| 11:36.28 | Overand | you can get into a 'decent' one for less than $200 |
| 11:36.29 | [Granger] | smhar: then what Guerin said |
| 11:36.33 | Zap-W | Overand: still more exapnsive than CRTs |
| 11:36.35 | jesperj | ty |
| 11:36.35 | karsten | What's DJB's email address? |
| 11:36.36 | HobNob | hmm perl 6 has ended up very similar to java oop structure |
| 11:36.39 | Overand | a monitor going bad is a good excuse to get a beter monitor |
| 11:36.41 | [Granger] | Overand: depends on your definition of decent |
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| 11:36.59 | Overand | [Granger]: that's why i put it in quotes |
| 11:37.02 | streuner_ | karsten: are you going to ask quiz-questions? |
| 11:37.06 | PetitPoulet[Aw] | bonjours |
| 11:37.07 | Guerin | karsten: nice. |
| 11:37.09 | PetitPoulet[Aw] | pourriez m'aider ? |
| 11:37.10 | Overand | I wish my 21" Sun monitor hadn't died. |
| 11:37.18 | [Granger] | Overand: I actually got a steal on a DVI LCD monitor |
| 11:37.20 | Overand | the tube's still good, the thing just acts like a TV with busted vertical hold |
| 11:37.23 | karsten | streuner_: ?? |
| 11:37.25 | [Granger] | last of the series |
| 11:37.27 | smhar | the monitor is next to a wall facing the street.. and every time a car passes by the display 'twists' |
| 11:37.28 | karsten | Guerin: Quite. |
| 11:37.28 | liable | !fr |
| 11:37.28 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:37.30 | Overand | it's really too bad, it's a great monitor |
| 11:37.30 | [Granger] | got it for a fraction of the cost |
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| 11:37.36 | Scruff | lu |
| 11:37.38 | Guerin | smhar: funky |
| 11:37.49 | LLibre | hello all |
| 11:37.56 | Overand | yeah that's indicitive of a bad connection or a blown solder joint |
| 11:38.03 | Guerin | i've found that using a 29" tv as a monitor is very bad for one's eyes |
| 11:38.03 | Overand | or maybe a bad component that's sensitive to vibration |
| 11:38.08 | Overand | Guerin: no kidding |
| 11:38.09 | LLibre | sorry to come here just for a question |
| 11:38.12 | karsten | Guerin: 53 hits so far... |
| 11:38.14 | [Granger] | Guerin: no shit :P |
| 11:38.16 | Overand | those things have like 500 lines of rez |
| 11:38.17 | smhar | Guerin, funky? |
| 11:38.22 | enyc | sony's termnd to have bad joints |
| 11:38.22 | [Granger] | how's computing in vga mode? :P |
| 11:38.24 | Guerin | smhar: interesting |
| 11:38.25 | Overand | is it just a standard NTSC tv? |
| 11:38.31 | Overand | yeah |
| 11:38.36 | Overand | smhar: are you good with a soldering iron? |
| 11:38.41 | smhar | Guerin, ic :-) |
| 11:38.45 | Overand | I will NOT advise anyone to attempt to repair their own monitor. |
| 11:38.47 | Overand | Never. |
| 11:38.48 | Guerin | i run it in 640x480 or so, just for watching video |
| 11:38.50 | enyc | ;-) |
| 11:38.52 | Overand | Potentially DEADLY electricity inside |
| 11:38.54 | enyc | I've done it many times ;-) |
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| 11:38.55 | Guerin | Overand: hell yeah |
| 11:38.56 | enyc | indeed |
| 11:38.59 | smhar | this is an acer 17" monitor |
| 11:39.04 | Overand | smhar: upgrade =] |
| 11:39.09 | [Granger] | heh Acer |
| 11:39.11 | Guerin | when you put it back together, if you fucked it up, they can be very dangerous |
| 11:39.13 | Overand | if you go for a flat panel, get a DVI one, and et a decent vid card. |
| 11:39.13 | karsten | Overand: Not even with a shotgun? |
| 11:39.15 | LLibre | but i could see a bug that i don't understand (#308792) about a C3 systemes and libc6.. i don't know if i can update or not |
| 11:39.18 | LLibre | upgrade |
| 11:39.18 | Overand | karsten: heh |
| 11:39.19 | enyc | heh |
| 11:39.27 | smhar | the second monitor |
| 11:39.30 | enyc | I make sure the variosu mporant things are connected ;-) |
| 11:39.36 | paulswm | 1600*1200 plus LCDs are not that cheap, and who want slow res |
| 11:39.39 | enyc | line coils, eht, dag ground, tube-base... |
| 11:39.40 | Guerin | unlike most consumer electronics, monitors use the full whack of mains power, and are very prone to overload/shock/etc. |
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| 11:39.46 | paulswm | s/wnat slow/wants low/ |
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| 11:39.56 | Overand | paulswm: there are some LCDs with decent response time, but it's still like 60fps at best |
| 11:39.58 | goron | !numlock |
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| 11:40.03 | enyc | guer: errr they tend to have a common smpsu infact |
| 11:40.09 | smhar | I had a very nice CTX 17" monitor that worked for more than 5 years and then suddenly died |
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| 11:40.16 | enyc | they jsut use HT for line-stage / eht-stage like 200v dc ht |
| 11:40.18 | goron | How can I enable numlock at boottime? |
| 11:40.23 | Overand | I really really really dig the sun monitor i have |
| 11:40.25 | enyc | I have 2 broken CTX 17" things ;-) |
| 11:40.27 | Overand | it'sg got a trinitron tube |
| 11:40.32 | streuner_ | !info numlockx |
| 11:40.34 | paulswm | Overand: Yes, and I don't like the whole concept of "dead pixels" :) |
| 11:40.37 | nunez | Monitors are expensive |
| 11:40.37 | Overand | but the damn thing, like i said, just scrolls vertically very very fast |
| 11:40.38 | enyc | I have a ltos of trinitron sgi/sony's ;-) |
| 11:40.38 | dpkg | numlockx: (enable NumLock in X11 sessions), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0-14 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 11:40.43 | goron | streuner_: That's only for X. |
| 11:40.45 | Overand | paulswm: the major problem with LCDs is contrast, IMO |
| 11:40.48 | Overand | that and color accuracy |
| 11:40.51 | goron | streuner_: I also want it in the console. |
| 11:40.53 | Guerin | i have a 17" crt, a 14" crt which isn't plugged in, a 29" tv and a 12" laptop |
| 11:41.00 | Overand | but there is one thing i can say about LCDs |
| 11:41.05 | streuner_ | goron: BIOS then |
| 11:41.10 | Overand | full screen framebuffer console on an LCD is sexy |
| 11:41.13 | Overand | pixel-perfect display |
| 11:41.15 | [Granger] | Overand: when you live in a small student dorn |
| 11:41.17 | Guerin | of these, the laptop has the best image quality, but it's also the oldest and has the lowest resolution |
| 11:41.17 | goron | streuner_: Does every BIOS has it? |
| 11:41.20 | [Granger] | dorm* |
| 11:41.24 | [Granger] | LCDs save space |
| 11:41.26 | paulswm | Overand: and More desk Space :) |
| 11:41.27 | [Granger] | big time |
| 11:41.29 | goron | streuner_: Every recent BIOS I mean. |
| 11:41.35 | Overand | [Granger]: no kidding |
| 11:41.43 | streuner_ | goron: well, i dunno _every_ BIOS, but usually BIOS have it |
| 11:41.48 | nunez | I refuse to ever go back to a huge monitor |
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| 11:41.48 | Overand | there are a LOT of people in here with G nicks, and a lot with GR nicks, and a surprisingly large nunmber with GRA nicks |
| 11:41.58 | Overand | it's driving me nuts |
| 11:42.00 | goron | streuner_: Good enough. Thank you. |
| 11:42.07 | paulswm | But I'd rather trade the apce for higher quality so I'll stick with VRT for now |
| 11:42.11 | [Granger] | Overand: there are 800 people in here |
| 11:42.13 | [Granger] | get over it :P |
| 11:42.27 | nunez | paulswm, My LCD gives me damn good quality |
| 11:42.31 | Overand | I'm sure i'll live. |
| 11:42.32 | paulswm | Yeah 800 people and maybe 30 talk |
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| 11:42.39 | liable | heh |
| 11:42.42 | [Granger] | rest are bots |
| 11:42.43 | [Granger] | ;) |
| 11:42.44 | Overand | nunez: try doing photo editing on it |
| 11:42.52 | Overand | most LCDs are sub-par for that kind of stuff |
| 11:42.56 | Overand | it's really bad |
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| 11:43.11 | Guerin | yeah, colour fidelity on lcds is still a bit below par |
| 11:43.13 | Overand | they're a lot better now than 2 years ago,but there's just... bad contrast ratio, poor color accuracy |
| 11:43.31 | [Granger] | all I care about is that I have a monitor I can lift |
| 11:43.33 | nunez | Overand, I have done photo editing, not major stuff though |
| 11:43.35 | Overand | i'm in a pickle, because i just bought a digital SLR and a dyesub printer, so like... |
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| 11:43.36 | [Granger] | without breaking my back that is |
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| 11:43.51 | Overand | what i see throug hte viewfinder != what i see on the screen != what comes out of the printer |
| 11:43.54 | Overand | really irritating |
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| 11:44.02 | Guerin | Overand: heh |
| 11:44.07 | [Granger] | plus, 1280x1024 framebuffer console is great |
| 11:44.18 | Overand | actually i really dig the printer. Olympus P-10 dyesub printer |
| 11:44.19 | Guerin | Overand: you should have bought a canon printer, a canon monitor and a canon camera |
| 11:44.22 | Overand | the contrast is REALLY great |
| 11:44.26 | [Granger] | gives a whole new meaning to console computing |
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| 11:44.45 | Overand | it 'tends towards dark' afaict, but it's easy to compensate, because white i really white and black is really black |
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| 11:45.02 | Overand | it's juts a matter of shiftin dark dark tones somehwat higher, ala gamma correction |
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| 11:45.19 | Overand | but i can't tell how much of that is actually the printer and how much is my LCD being hokey |
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| 11:45.40 | paulswm | I have 1600x1200 fb console on my CRT, wouldn't pay $600+ to get lower quality from an LCD |
| 11:45.46 | dinet | wath is the kernel-build-package called? |
| 11:45.50 | Overand | I wonder if that printer will work on linux |
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| 11:45.51 | Overand | hm |
| 11:45.51 | ndee | hi there, does it make sense to have the DocumentRoot and DocumentRoot set for SSL in the same directory? |
| 11:46.07 | dinet | the one that builds from downloaded source |
| 11:46.13 | Guerin | ndee: depends what you're doing |
| 11:46.22 | [Granger] | paulswm: if I had a 19" CRT |
| 11:46.22 | paulswm | [Granger]: Go to the gymn more ofter and get a 21" CRT (just kidding man) |
| 11:46.30 | [Granger] | I would have no place to study |
| 11:46.31 | Guerin | ndee: i prefer to have a separate directory, and protect it with RequireSSL |
| 11:46.33 | ndee | Guerin: sometimes, I want maybe a site linked to an SSL page |
| 11:46.37 | liable | dinet: kernel-package |
| 11:46.51 | Guerin | ndee: and then only put the stuff which needs to be encrypted in there |
| 11:46.51 | Overand | hey can someone link me to a resource for linux printer support? i'm not ging to DO it, just curious |
| 11:46.54 | paulswm | [Granger]: Yes, I know my 19" is kind of huge |
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| 11:47.00 | Overand | i've actually never printed anything from a nix box... go figure |
| 11:47.06 | Guerin | linux-printing.com |
| 11:47.17 | ndee | Guerin: I'm just wondering if I won't have a problem with linking if I'm using 2 total different directories. |
| 11:47.17 | Guerin | or org or something maybe |
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| 11:47.29 | smhar | so it seems it is time for another monitor.. any suggestions? |
| 11:47.31 | Overand | wow, it's a real domain, Guerin |
| 11:47.31 | Guerin | ndee: i don't know your setup. |
| 11:47.34 | smhar | LG? |
| 11:47.39 | paulswm | [Granger] is maiking the erroneous assumption that damaging paulswm's head would make any difference |
| 11:47.43 | dinet | liable: thanks |
| 11:47.46 | Overand | .com is 'squatted' |
| 11:47.46 | jethro | mornin |
| 11:47.49 | Overand | .org - no go |
| 11:47.52 | [Granger] | heh |
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| 11:47.58 | Guerin | !printing |
| 11:47.58 | dpkg | methinks printing is see printer |
| 11:48.01 | Guerin | !printer |
| 11:48.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui |
| 11:48.02 | [Granger] | paulswm: ya there's nothing to damage ;) |
| 11:48.03 | liable | jethro: morn |
| 11:48.03 | paulswm | Bon matin, jethro :) |
| 11:48.05 | Overand | yeah |
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| 11:48.10 | Overand | i hit that right as it came up |
| 11:48.16 | Guerin | jethro: g'day mite |
| 11:48.19 | ndee | Guerin: documentroot would be /www/ and I thought I could make /www/secure/ for SSL stuff. Ah, with require SSL means that in /www/secure/ only https requests are "done"? |
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| 11:48.28 | nunez | porn is downloading damn slow |
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| 11:48.45 | [Granger] | rm -rf nunez/var/ftp/porn |
| 11:48.50 | ndee | s/done/allowed |
| 11:48.59 | colon34 | llll |
| 11:49.01 | nunez | Not even close ;) |
| 11:49.09 | Guerin | ndee: that's almost what I have. if you protect that directory with RequireSSL, non-encrypted requests will yield a 403 |
| 11:49.29 | ndee | Guerin: ah cool, that was the "worry" I had :D thx! :D |
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| 11:49.36 | paulswm | Transferring pr0n via Usenet is a time honored tradition amongst Unix folks, dating back to the earliest days of Usenet |
| 11:49.37 | nunez | Up too 200K/sec now |
| 11:49.57 | Guerin | you're right, 200k/sec is DAMN slow |
| 11:50.05 | nunez | it is |
| 11:50.09 | nunez | unacceptable |
| 11:50.10 | [Granger] | heh |
| 11:50.16 | Guerin | i wouldn't put up with it |
| 11:50.22 | [Granger] | I'm sitting on a 100mbps here |
| 11:50.23 | dinet | liable: and now the last question. wath is the script called in that package? |
| 11:50.25 | nunez | paulswm, passwords to sites is the best way to get shit now |
| 11:50.34 | paulswm | Funny, human nature: give humans a new way of communicating, and one of the first thigs they do is to figure out how to use it to transmit pr0n |
| 11:50.40 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:50.41 | liable | dinet: make-kpkg |
| 11:50.42 | ndee | lol |
| 11:50.43 | Overand | hm looks like there's no support for the Olympus P-10 yet. i wonder i the older drivers would work. |
| 11:50.52 | nunez | paulswm, Human nature |
| 11:50.52 | Guerin | look at all those pictures of naked people on cave walls |
| 11:50.54 | Overand | oh well, i'm not gonna screw around with it. too bad, means i can't reccomend it to my nix friends |
| 11:51.06 | liable | dinet: you should read a tutorial, before you try it |
| 11:51.38 | dinet | liable: url? |
| 11:51.38 | Guerin | [Granger]: where? at a university? |
| 11:51.42 | nunez | Now that I think of it, I dont know a phyical person outside of this cyber space that uses nix that I know of |
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| 11:52.03 | liable | dinet: google debian kernel compile, the oss news one is good, but a bit outdated |
| 11:52.11 | Guerin | !kp mantra |
| 11:52.11 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 11:52.16 | Guerin | there you go ^^^ |
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| 11:52.20 | paulswm | To paraphrase a TV show, "When men discovered fire, they didn't say, "Now we can cook and stay warm", they said, "Great now we can see women's butts in the dark" |
| 11:52.29 | Overand | heh |
| 11:52.31 | jethro | hah |
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| 11:52.59 | nunez | Thats because women are supposted to cook |
| 11:53.03 | nunez | Were just here to bang |
| 11:53.14 | Guerin | spoken like a true caveman |
| 11:53.27 | liable | dinet: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 |
| 11:53.27 | Guerin | my wife can't cook nearly as well as I can |
| 11:53.45 | nunez | Great cooks are all men |
| 11:53.56 | nunez | Yet, women should cook on a regular basis, its their human nature |
| 11:53.56 | vekpos | hello! when gnome is starting, after "sessionmanager" is loaded, it takes a very long time to load the other programms |
| 11:54.08 | Guerin | nunez: ... |
| 11:54.20 | vekpos | whats the reason for this error? |
| 11:54.26 | Guerin | vekpos: gnome is fucked |
| 11:54.27 | nunez | Guerin, Why go against human nature? |
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| 11:54.40 | Guerin | nunez: don't make me lecture you on human nature. |
| 11:54.52 | jethro | nunez: you really remind me on the cavemen |
| 11:54.54 | vekpos | so whats to do? |
| 11:54.58 | nunez | haha |
| 11:55.03 | Guerin | vekpos: don't use it? :) |
| 11:55.07 | valdyn | vekpos: you could remove ~/.gnome2 to reset your session, but on a not quite new computer gnome's session thing is is slow.. |
| 11:55.14 | nunez | Stop getting manipulated by women |
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| 11:55.22 | Guerin | haha |
| 11:55.29 | jethro | that's funny :) |
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| 11:55.34 | vekpos | no, it was faster before... ill remove .gnome2 |
| 11:55.40 | nunez | lol |
| 11:55.47 | Guerin | spken like someone who's never had the pleasure of being ... erm, manipulated, by a woman |
| 11:55.48 | ori | what was funny? |
| 11:56.05 | jethro | "nunez | Stop getting manipulated by women" this |
| 11:56.15 | nunez | Guerin, I was just messing with you, yet because manipulated by a woman should never happen to a "man" |
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| 11:56.32 | jethro | kick her in the belly |
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| 11:56.34 | nunez | Men are getting too soft towards women these days |
| 11:56.43 | Guerin | nunez: sure. men should all manipulate themselves, right? and each other... |
| 11:56.48 | nunez | They believe what the media and women tell them |
| 11:56.55 | Guerin | haha |
| 11:56.57 | liable | Guerin: eeew |
| 11:57.00 | jethro | Guerin: and be homo? |
| 11:57.01 | Guerin | this channnel cracks me up |
| 11:57.03 | valdyn | nunez: i suppose even men have women to be born and raised ( usually ) |
| 11:57.08 | Guerin | omfg HOMOS |
| 11:57.13 | jethro | O.O |
| 11:57.16 | paulswm | Heh |
| 11:57.34 | nunez | Men are getting soft... |
| 11:57.41 | nunez | The women control the relationships these days |
| 11:57.44 | nunez | Looks at marriages |
| 11:57.50 | nunez | "Baby, can I buy this?" |
| 11:57.56 | Guerin | nunez: oh, give over. |
| 11:57.57 | nunez | "Baby can I whip my ass?" |
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| 11:58.08 | john | is there actually a default dictionary file built into linux? because.. hmm that'd be weird. |
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| 11:58.17 | Guerin | you clearly actually have nothing to do with real women, and are being manipulated only by media portrayals of women. |
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| 11:58.28 | paulswm | You can change the software (civilization, beliefs), but you can't upgrade the firmware (sex is interesting) |
| 11:58.28 | jethro | nunez: stop the troll please |
| 11:58.32 | Guerin | so I guess your statement is half true |
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| 11:58.57 | nunez | Guerin, Youre telling me that women dont control the majority of relationships these days? Especially marriages. |
| 11:58.57 | witless | can i create a bootable DOS boot disk from debian? or, more to the point: any way to create a BIOS update diskette for a Dell workstation from debian? |
| 11:59.01 | giupy | for connect 2 pcs to my modem router do i need a switch ethernet ? |
| 11:59.09 | Guerin | nunez: yes, that's what I'm telling you. |
| 11:59.10 | nunez | jethro, Not a troll, a serious conversation |
| 11:59.19 | jethro | nunez: anyway, an off topic convo, so please stop it |
| 11:59.24 | nunez | Guerin, Do you live in the United States? |
| 11:59.25 | jethro | nunez: it's not as if #debian cared, really |
| 11:59.28 | Guerin | the only thing serious about this conversation is its stupidity |
| 11:59.31 | Guerin | nunez: no. |
| 11:59.32 | paulswm | I'm with Guerin on this one (and jethro) |
| 11:59.49 | nunez | That might make a difference |
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| 11:59.59 | Guerin | nunez: i loive in a country where men really control their women, the old-school way. |
| 11:59.59 | paulswm | My fault for the usenet and fire remarks |
| 11:59.59 | Overand | just /j #debian-chat |
| 11:59.59 | Overand | or something |
| 12:00.00 | nunez | Guerin, Good, stay there |
| 12:00.10 | jethro | !lart paulswm for starting it |
| 12:00.14 | Guerin | nunez: why don't you come on over? You'd fit right in. |
| 12:00.50 | witless | does anyone know? |
| 12:00.53 | Bebabo | witless: www.freedos.org |
| 12:01.00 | liable | giupy: no, thats what the router is for |
| 12:01.04 | witless | Bebabo: thx |
| 12:01.44 | giupy | liable well but if i try connect my second pc (debian) pppoeconf say me that the modem is occuped or something like that.... |
| 12:02.09 | jethro | does dpkg have some kind of coin flipping feature? |
| 12:02.19 | jethro | I mean the bot of course |
| 12:02.48 | paulswm | !toss |
| 12:02.51 | Guerin | !coin is <reply> (Heads|Tails) |
| 12:02.51 | dpkg | ...but coin is already something else... |
| 12:02.52 | phaethon | Coin landed: Head |
| 12:02.57 | jethro | cool |
| 12:02.58 | Guerin | !toss is <reply> (Heads|Tails) |
| 12:02.58 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 12:03.03 | jethro | :) |
| 12:03.27 | liable | giupy: sure its a router too? |
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| 12:03.56 | giupy | liable yeah with 4 ethernet and wireless |
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| 12:04.50 | liable | giupy: dunno about pppoe, so cant help, but your doing something wrong |
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| 12:05.18 | [sr] | hi:P |
| 12:05.30 | [sr] | does anyone has a MSI 915P board? |
| 12:06.33 | Overand | !anyone |
| 12:06.33 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 12:06.49 | [sr] | grrrr |
| 12:06.49 | [sr] | :p |
| 12:06.52 | [sr] | anybody?:P |
| 12:06.58 | drac | !anybody |
| 12:06.58 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 12:07.03 | jethro | heh |
| 12:07.09 | abrotman | !br |
| 12:07.10 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 12:08.13 | rossi_ | da bin ich |
| 12:08.17 | rossi_ | eine frage |
| 12:08.18 | jethro | !de |
| 12:08.18 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 12:08.24 | rossi_ | es klappt |
| 12:08.43 | jethro | rossi_: english here, german in #debian.de |
| 12:08.45 | rossi_ | wie trage ich das feste ein ifup eth0 |
| 12:08.51 | rossi_ | sorry |
| 12:08.59 | Noel | hi,van itt magyar?:P |
| 12:09.37 | da4n1 | \uptime |
| 12:09.40 | abrotman | what language is that ? hungarian ? |
| 12:09.44 | da4n1 | heh |
| 12:10.01 | Guerin | magyar, strangely |
| 12:10.09 | Noel | magyar hungray |
| 12:10.33 | Guerin | !hu |
| 12:10.33 | dpkg | well, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 12:10.47 | abrotman | we have a .hu ? |
| 12:10.49 | jethro | so many language specific debian channels |
| 12:10.58 | Noel | probalom gyerek,de senki nem beszel ott;} |
| 12:11.01 | K_Dallas | !fr |
| 12:11.01 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:11.04 | [sr] | eh pa |
| 12:11.06 | jethro | Noel: stop it please, it's annoying |
| 12:11.10 | Noel | ok |
| 12:11.12 | [sr] | nao comecem a falar coisas esquezitas :P |
| 12:11.19 | jethro | [sr]: you too stop it please |
| 12:11.20 | paulswm | jethro: And so many semi-literate inhabitants :P |
| 12:11.28 | jethro | paulswm: :) |
| 12:11.29 | [sr] | jethro hehe :_P |
| 12:11.31 | [sr] | i'll |
| 12:11.34 | [sr] | just jokin' |
| 12:11.34 | Noel | :) |
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| 12:13.53 | paulswm | Wow, there is actually a #debian-cymru, but I was the only one in there |
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| 12:14.39 | Guerin | hah |
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| 12:14.58 | paulswm | Which is not a great disappointment to me, as I'm an native-English-speaking Welsh person |
| 12:15.32 | noak2000 | Hi |
| 12:15.36 | jethro | hi |
| 12:15.39 | noak2000 | O.k. stop it |
| 12:15.42 | Noel | I'm not much eglish,but ripen some;} |
| 12:15.52 | noak2000 | o.k. |
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| 12:16.36 | coywolf | anyone has the time and interest to help me with a english sentence? |
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| 12:16.50 | Guerin | coywolf: proceed |
| 12:16.55 | noak2000 | what english sentence |
| 12:16.57 | noak2000 | ? |
| 12:17.06 | Guerin | i sentence you to learn english |
| 12:17.10 | Guerin | dismissed |
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| 12:17.24 | coywolf | I intent to keep this lxr catching up with the latest kernel source. <~~ E ok? |
| 12:17.31 | [sr] | so |
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| 12:17.33 | coywolf | This lxr is intended to be updated with the kernel source trees. << E ok? |
| 12:17.37 | [sr] | no one has a MSI 915P board?:| |
| 12:17.44 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:17.51 | coywolf | noak2000, see? |
| 12:18.02 | Guerin | coywolf: I intend to keep this lxr in sync with the kernel source trees # would be better |
| 12:18.16 | drac | [sr]: Taking a poll? Or you have something on your mind, like a real question? |
| 12:18.31 | Guerin | it's unnecessary to be using the passive |
| 12:18.34 | noak2000 | can enyone help me with finding amule (of a mule) server that downloads fast? |
| 12:18.34 | coywolf | Guerin, thanks |
| 12:18.37 | noak2000 | pleeeeeeeeeeeese |
| 12:19.08 | liable | !aolify noak2000 |
| 12:19.17 | pureone | noak2000 there are none really, the trick is to jump from server to server and allow people to download from you at a nice speed that should make it better |
| 12:19.17 | [sr] | drac don't know the meaning os "poll" |
| 12:19.19 | jethro | noak2000: /msg dpkg list |
| 12:19.20 | [sr] | anyway |
| 12:19.28 | jethro | [sr]: /msg dpkg dict poll |
| 12:19.40 | [sr] | is just to know if anyone has drivers for the ethernet and sata raid controler onboard |
| 12:20.12 | defkewl | hi guys, I can't have my client (192.168.0.22) access my web server (192.168.0.1) using domain name (streambuffer.web) from the browser |
| 12:20.14 | noak2000 | thanks pureone |
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| 12:20.49 | jethro | noak2000: don't send me dcc chat requests please |
| 12:20.50 | defkewl | but client can connect if using ip address and ping to the server |
| 12:21.04 | defkewl | what configuration do I need to setup? |
| 12:21.10 | karsten | defkewl: Can you ping the systems by IP? |
| 12:21.11 | coywolf | Guerin, I intend to keep this LXR updated with the kernel source trees. << E ok? |
| 12:21.14 | abrocadabro | defkewl: looks like it's a DNS issue |
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| 12:21.19 | DjMiX | hello :) |
| 12:21.22 | liable | damn have to work tommorrow, nite |
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| 12:21.28 | Noel | this the chat how long go...? |
| 12:21.38 | DjMiX | I am looking for someone who could help me install my IRCD server. please contact me in private |
| 12:21.43 | jethro | good night liable |
| 12:22.05 | paulswm | bye liable |
| 12:22.09 | Noel | bye liable |
| 12:22.16 | karsten | DjMiX: Private support generally entails private arrangements or paid support |
| 12:22.28 | jethro | DjMiX: apt-get cache search ircd, pick one, then apt-get install <ircd you picked> |
| 12:22.47 | karsten | DjMiX: You'll also do better in-channel. |
| 12:22.53 | jethro | karsten: do people actually do that in #debian? (paid support) |
| 12:22.58 | abrotman | !moo |
| 12:22.58 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
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| 12:23.52 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
| 12:23.58 | abrotman | !ice cream paulswm |
| 12:24.05 | paulswm | :D |
| 12:24.12 | abrotman | hey .. it finally came up |
| 12:24.27 | coywolf | Guerin, I intend to keep this LXR in sync with the kernel development. << E OK? |
| 12:24.42 | karsten | defkewl: Can you ping your systems by IP? Or are you no longer interested in solutions? |
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| 12:24.54 | abrotman | no .. kernel development is bad .. stagnate .. STAGNATE i say! |
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| 12:26.35 | coywolf | abrotman, I intend to keep this LXR in sync with the latest kernel source trees. |
| 12:26.39 | coywolf | abrotman, ok? |
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| 12:27.14 | abrotman | coywolf: why would i care .. if you're capable .. do it |
| 12:27.15 | Splinter__ | Anyone have any ideas where I can never get more than 150-200KB/s over scp on 100mbit ethernet? |
| 12:27.29 | coywolf | abrotman, i mean is the english ok? |
| 12:27.32 | abrotman | Splinter__: slow computer ? |
| 12:27.50 | Splinter__ | abrotman, they're bot 1.5-3ghz, 1gb ram, sata |
| 12:27.56 | Splinter__ | *h |
| 12:28.06 | abrocadabro | Splinter__: how fast is your cable? cat1? |
| 12:28.09 | Gathond | Splinter__: do you happen to use pscp and a windows machine anyware in that setup? |
| 12:28.13 | abrotman | coywolf: you mean the LXR is a computer .. and you want to track current kernel development ? |
| 12:28.21 | Splinter__ | it's 1gbit cable but a 100mbit network |
| 12:28.25 | abrotman | Splinter__: it's a hub .. not a switch ? |
| 12:28.28 | Splinter__ | Gathond, yes |
| 12:28.31 | Splinter__ | abrotman, switch |
| 12:28.34 | coywolf | abrotman, it's used here http://sosdg.org/~coywolf/lxr/blurb.html |
| 12:28.44 | Gathond | Splinter__: in that case I blame that fact:) |
| 12:28.44 | asuffield | Splinter__: scp is crap. use rsync over ssh |
| 12:29.07 | Splinter__ | asuffield, is there a windows client for rsync? I might just setup proftpd on both pcs |
| 12:29.14 | asuffield | I dunno, never tried |
| 12:29.18 | abrotman | coywolf: did you try google ? .. there are many source browsers fro linux |
| 12:29.20 | Gathond | Splinter__: I have had the same problem, windows 2k and pscp = 100KB/s and same mashine in debian and using openssh (same debian server) is 4.5-6 MB/s |
| 12:29.34 | Splinter__ | Gathond, ok |
| 12:29.49 | Gathond | Splinter__: so either pscp id horrible ineffective or something internal in windows means that encryption stuff is just slow as hell |
| 12:30.01 | asuffield | scp's just crap |
| 12:30.05 | asuffield | rsync over ssh is massively faster |
| 12:30.07 | Splinter__ | Gathond, I've tried WinSCP too, so I think it's XP |
| 12:30.17 | Gathond | Splinter__: I have however found that winscp is capable of doing 1 MB/s instead of teh 100KB/s |
| 12:30.28 | Splinter__ | Gathond, not for me |
| 12:30.46 | abrotman | asuffield: but how do you really feel ? |
| 12:30.48 | Splinter__ | asuffield, It's just a lan transfer so I don't care about ssh. I'll install proftpd on my linux machines |
| 12:31.04 | Gathond | asuffield: still dont explain why pscp is that much slower than openssh's scp |
| 12:31.15 | abrotman | Splinter__: client is windows ? .. why not use samba |
| 12:31.16 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:31.26 | Gathond | Splinter__: once I get around to it I will probably test openssh in cygwin to see if this does the same |
| 12:31.35 | Gathond | Splinter__: winscp might actually use pscp as backend |
| 12:31.45 | Splinter__ | abrotman, because that's even more hastle to set up than proftpd |
| 12:31.52 | Splinter__ | i.e. I've never used sambo |
| 12:31.54 | Splinter__ | *a |
| 12:31.57 | abrotman | Splinter__: debateable |
| 12:32.17 | npx | scp on cygwin maxes out my lan |
| 12:32.28 | paulswm | Splinter__: I didn't look, but I assume there's no rsynch stuff available in cygwin |
| 12:32.32 | paulswm | rsync |
| 12:32.38 | abrotman | npx: btw i read that article/ad again . much funnier second glance :) |
| 12:32.44 | Splinter__ | what's samba's speeds like? |
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| 12:32.46 | Gathond | npx: so that would support the pscp is just horribly ineffective theory |
| 12:32.57 | npx | yeah, that sounds like the case |
| 12:33.04 | hac | How I can enable the ipv6 traffic with Firestarter? |
| 12:33.05 | abrotman | Splinter__: for sure faster than scp |
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| 12:33.28 | jethro | abrotman: debateable as well :) |
| 12:33.31 | Noel | nah,bye.hmm.. you good night. |
| 12:33.55 | abrotman | jethro: yeah .. 0 is slower than slow :) |
| 12:34.44 | paulswm | Splinter__: rsync is available in cygwin: http://cygwin.com/packages/ |
| 12:35.27 | Splinter__ | paulswm, how does rsync compare to smb? |
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| 12:35.58 | pureone | i cant use cygwin, i would rather that the software was ported fully for win32 |
| 12:35.58 | paulswm | Splinter__: rsync is very efficient |
| 12:36.11 | Trewas | Splinter__: rsync over ssh is not any faster than scp if the problem is encryption overhead of ssh |
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| 12:36.29 | Splinter__ | Trewas, It's internal - I don't need ssh |
| 12:37.06 | pureone | splinter why not use pure-ftpd ? |
| 12:37.09 | abrotman | oh .. use the ssh FTP mounted filesystems!! |
| 12:37.20 | abrotman | pureone: he likes proftpd :) |
| 12:37.23 | abrotman | !sshfs |
| 12:37.23 | dpkg | i heard sshfs is See shfs |
| 12:37.26 | abrotman | !shfs |
| 12:37.26 | dpkg | it has been said that shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 12:37.33 | paulswm | Splinter__: google for an rsync manpage, here's one: http://optics.ph.unimelb.edu.au/help/rsync/rsync.html |
| 12:37.40 | Splinter__ | As I said to you all, I don't care about ssh |
| 12:37.52 | abrotman | Splinter__: http over ssh! |
| 12:37.59 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - im currently using sarge, but i was reading slashdot yesterday, and people were saying testing has a tendancy to break a lot, except when its due for release. is this true? am i safer using testing or unstable? i dont want outdated packages (not bothered about bleeding edge though) |
| 12:38.35 | npx | I use scp, regardless of whether or not I'm on my lan... just cuz it's convenient |
| 12:38.35 | paulswm | Super_Cat_Frog: Testing is generally very stable, but unstable can be exactly what it says, testing is safer |
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| 12:38.52 | Super_Cat_Frog | paulswm - how out of date is testing usually? |
| 12:38.58 | abrotman | Super_Cat_Frog: they lied like hell :) |
| 12:39.12 | abrotman | Super_Cat_Frog: are you tracking sarge or testing ? |
| 12:39.12 | Super_Cat_Frog | prehaps they got testing and unstable mixed up - i used to |
| 12:39.18 | Super_Cat_Frog | testing |
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| 12:39.55 | abrotman | Super_Cat_Frog: my experience .. testing will remain frozen a bit after sarge's release .. and the initial influx of pckages .. stuff will break |
| 12:40.06 | Overand | just remember 'unstable i called unstable because... it is' |
| 12:40.27 | Overand | remember that unstable is 'way worse' than something that's in a 'testing' phase |
| 12:40.36 | Super_Cat_Frog | ok |
| 12:40.40 | Overand | mnemonic devices |
| 12:40.46 | abrotman | Overand: not always .. like when crap is half in/out of testing |
| 12:40.57 | paulswm | Super_Cat_Frog: at least a couple of weeks for packages to migrate from unstable to testing *provided there are no problems with the package or any new versions of dependent packages* |
| 12:41.04 | Overand | abrotman: i'm not talking about testingvs stable in a technical way |
| 12:41.15 | abrotman | Overand: i was talking about testing vs unstable |
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| 12:41.16 | Overand | i'm just introducing a mnemonic device to help keep them straight in yer head |
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| 12:41.51 | Overand | the Unstable -> Testing -> Stable thing |
| 12:42.06 | nemo | wah |
| 12:42.12 | Overand | i had a hard time remembering which was which for a little while |
| 12:42.27 | nemo | "mnemonic" kills my inner irssi nick detection |
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| 12:42.49 | paulswm | The stable/testing/unstable definitions are all on the debian web site anyway |
| 12:42.55 | abrotman | !release |
| 12:42.56 | dpkg | When is release ... the official answer: "Debian has a strict policy of never announcing release dates; therefore, the release date for ``sarge'' is not yet known.", or Stable release is "woody" (3.0), Testing release is "sarge", following that will be "etch" |
| 12:42.59 | abrotman | err |
| 12:43.00 | abrotman | !releases |
| 12:43.00 | dpkg | it has been said that releases is http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 12:43.02 | abrotman | yay |
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| 12:44.22 | Overand | paulswm: definitions are not nmemonic devices |
| 12:44.33 | Overand | reading them may not help someone who simply confuses testing and unstable |
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| 12:45.22 | paulswm | Overand: I disagree, the definitions are plain |
| 12:45.32 | Overand | paulswm: you live to disagree. |
| 12:45.34 | m4lu7 | Is XDM capable of logging into X 'anonymously', or, with a "default user" like GDM can? I want to bypass the username/password prompt altogether on a test box. |
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| 12:45.43 | Guerin | what? |
| 12:45.51 | paulswm | Overand: I don't understand what that means. |
| 12:45.51 | m4lu7 | Man page gives not apparent indication of this. |
| 12:45.53 | Overand | I'm glad you don't need memory aids. GOod for you. Some people do. I offered some help. |
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| 12:45.57 | Guerin | there's no such thing as a 'default user' in unix |
| 12:46.11 | Overand | paulswm: I mean that you're very often very critical here. You spend much of your time just being an ass. |
| 12:46.18 | Overand | You seem to like causing arguments. |
| 12:46.21 | paulswm | Overand: http://www.debian.org/releases/ IS OBVIOUS |
| 12:46.22 | Overand | Or at least conflict. |
| 12:46.29 | Overand | SO IS LEFT AND RIGHT |
| 12:46.37 | Overand | but it doesn't mean that dyslexic people don't confuse them |
| 12:46.47 | Overand | WHat's obvious for you may not be obvious for other people. |
| 12:46.50 | Guerin | dyslexia is a specific cognitive disorder |
| 12:46.55 | paulswm | Overand: Comletely untrue, and you don't have to engage in personal insults |
| 12:46.56 | jansen | whay i can not use the azureus |
| 12:46.56 | Overand | Or is that too hard to understand, what with your aspergers |
| 12:46.56 | Guerin | being stupid is not |
| 12:47.00 | abrotman | Overand: honestly .. your "device" was more confusing than the normal definition :) |
| 12:47.03 | m4lu7 | Guerin, assume I have user "dude", then. How to get X started as this user automatically, then? |
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| 12:47.06 | kokoko1 | hi |
| 12:47.15 | paulswm | Overand: I await your apology. |
| 12:47.19 | Guerin | m4lu7: do you have to use xdm? |
| 12:47.29 | kokoko1 | just installed debian, sarge |
| 12:47.32 | Overand | paulswm: FOr which thing I said? |
| 12:47.46 | abrotman | m4lu6: do you really want to run X .. or just one app ? |
| 12:47.49 | m4lu7 | Guerin, i don't have to use XDM specifically, but I'm not using GDM or KDM, as they won't be installed. Very tight on HD space. |
| 12:47.51 | abrotman | Overand: probably all of it :) |
| 12:47.52 | Gathond | m4lu7: Im not sure xdm supports automagically logging a specific user into the system at startup, but why not just use gdm since you know it can do it, it is not like you will use the thing anywah once it happens automagically |
| 12:47.53 | kokoko1 | I duno but it get IP via dhcp, while I want to assign static ip |
| 12:47.58 | Overand | I'll apologize for the aspergers thing, but I don't see anything else I said that was unreasonable |
| 12:48.15 | Overand | Copy and paste the personal insult. |
| 12:48.32 | Overand | Saying that you like to start conflict here is an *observation*, and I'm not the first one to make it. |
| 12:48.35 | kokoko1 | where debian save network informations? |
| 12:48.43 | Guerin | ok. you can probably script something, from init.d, entirely bypassing the DM |
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| 12:48.45 | Phated | "You spend much of your time just being an ass." |
| 12:48.46 | abrotman | m4lu6: if you just want to start a browser .. you can have X do that |
| 12:48.52 | Overand | Phated: ok, fair enough. |
| 12:48.58 | Overand | I'm sorry I called you an ass, paulswm. |
| 12:49.28 | m4lu7 | abrotman, or Guerin; from which file then, system Xinitrc, or something like that? |
| 12:49.35 | Overand | However I will stick to my observation that you seem to be often involved in, shall we say, conflict. |
| 12:49.40 | Super_Cat_Frog | can somebody help me with this error on sarge: http://rafb.net/paste/results/7sPJCZ80.html |
| 12:49.49 | abrotman | file for what ? |
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| 12:50.14 | jesperj | Is there an applet for kde available that notifies on security updates? |
| 12:50.15 | abrotman | Super_Cat_Frog: did you mix sources ? |
| 12:50.26 | defkewl | karsten: I can ping to the server from client |
| 12:50.30 | Super_Cat_Frog | abrotman - possibly |
| 12:50.30 | paulswm | Overand: And I am dismayed that you think I am one, quite honestly. I'll pay more attention to what I type. |
| 12:50.35 | abrotman | jesperj: security has an RSS feed |
| 12:50.43 | Overand | paulswm: and I'll try to be less of an ass myself. |
| 12:50.48 | Overand | Maybe it's just been a bad day |
| 12:50.52 | abrotman | !ass paulswm |
| 12:50.54 | abrotman | :) |
| 12:50.55 | jesperj | abrotman, what does that mean? |
| 12:51.07 | abrotman | jesperj: if KDE has an RSS applet . could be used |
| 12:51.11 | defkewl | abrocadabro: I don't use any dns |
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| 12:51.20 | paulswm | Overand: No harm done, I am also sorry |
| 12:51.21 | abrotman | jesperj: or you could subscribe to the mailing list that announces them |
| 12:51.21 | paulswm | HAHA |
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| 12:51.57 | paulswm | !beer Overand |
| 12:51.59 | Overand | Also, i think part of the problem is I confused you with someone else who really *is* a troll here. |
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| 12:52.07 | abrotman | Overand: me? |
| 12:52.09 | abrotman | :) |
| 12:52.10 | Overand | So I was reading everything you typed through that filter. |
| 12:52.14 | Overand | abrotman: not sure, heh. |
| 12:52.17 | jesperj | hmm ok abrotman. will check for a RSS applet |
| 12:52.20 | Phated | paulswm is a luvly fellow. He is no troll! |
| 12:52.21 | Overand | could be |
| 12:52.25 | abrotman | jesperj: ask #debian-kde also |
| 12:52.26 | paulswm | Overand: *gasp* there are trolls here :P |
| 12:52.34 | Overand | NEVAR!! |
| 12:53.02 | jesperj | ty |
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| 12:53.34 | Phated | paulswm: I'm an excellent judge of character, honest I am. |
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| 12:54.20 | Overand | i wonder who it was |
| 12:54.21 | nunez | Women are very good judges of character |
| 12:54.24 | Overand | it really might have been abrotman |
| 12:54.31 | Overand | hah |
| 12:54.41 | abrotman | Overand: i doubt it .. i'm perfectly pleasant all the time |
| 12:54.44 | Phated | abrotman is no troll, either. He might occasionally bait, but he is no troll. |
| 12:54.53 | oKtosiTe | chrootkit sent me this report today: /usr/lib/blender/.Blanguages /usr/lib/blender/.bfont.ttf /usr/lib/mindi/rootfs/proc/.keep /usr/lib/mindi/rootfs/root/.profile - what is it trying to tell me? |
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| 12:55.07 | abrotman | Phated: my debian accidentally installed suse |
| 12:55.14 | Phated | See? |
| 12:55.18 | Overand | heh |
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| 12:55.36 | Overand | all i know is i was talking to this person |
| 12:55.47 | streuner_ | abrotman a troll? hahahahaha |
| 12:55.48 | Overand | and several people suggested i /ingnore him because he was a known troll |
| 12:55.55 | abrotman | streuner_: soooo close! |
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| 12:56.02 | abrotman | streuner_: we have #debian party right ? |
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| 12:56.17 | streuner_ | abrotman: :-) |
| 12:56.23 | abrotman | !party |
| 12:56.23 | dpkg | it has been said that party is Lego, and alcohol |
| 12:56.29 | Overand | heh |
| 12:56.35 | asuffield | that is a very bad party |
| 12:56.47 | abrotman | asuffield: yu're in #debian with a bunch of geeks |
| 12:57.04 | m4lu6 | so, then, i don't need XDM, or any other DM to fire up X at boot, is that right? |
| 12:57.23 | abrotman | m4lu6: that's right |
| 12:57.24 | oKtosiTe | Lego and alcohol. All we need now is German folk music. |
| 12:57.26 | abrotman | i think |
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| 12:57.32 | Phated | I think #debian + alcohol could turn into a rapidly rowdy party. |
| 12:57.47 | paulswm | Warning, a debian party might be *this* exciting: http://people.debian.org/~rb/lt2k-group-names.jpg |
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| 12:58.09 | Phated | Heh. |
| 12:58.21 | m4lu6 | abrotman, so in inittab, at a specific runlevel i'd fire up... what? I'm not sure what to do to get this affect. |
| 12:58.57 | abrotman | m4lu6: i'd have to google to get the right stuff you need . but it's possible to start an application .. or do you want a full Desktop on boot ? |
| 12:58.58 | [Granger] | paulswm: heh not a single chick |
| 12:59.18 | asuffield | that's because they're all gay |
| 12:59.20 | m4lu6 | abrotman, nope. just one program, in this case, a terminal, xvt. |
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| 12:59.42 | m4lu6 | abrotman, i'm not going to run a wm, either. just a term, for now. |
| 12:59.45 | abrotman | m4lu6: why not just use one of the normal terminals ? |
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| 13:00.36 | paulswm | [Granger]: exactly, they wouldn't know a hot date if it bit them in the leg :) |
| 13:00.46 | Overand | eh |
| 13:00.47 | m4lu6 | abrotman, that's not what i want to do. it's the "climb the mountain because it's there" idea. |
| 13:00.53 | Overand | if you're gonna have a linux party, you need weed |
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| 13:01.00 | Overand | nothing like white on black text while stoned |
| 13:01.01 | Overand | ... |
| 13:01.18 | asuffield | 'bit them in the leg'? have you been hitting on Phated again? |
| 13:01.34 | paulswm | Programming is a lot more absorbing when stoned, I used to do it all the time, but no longer |
| 13:01.40 | streuner_ | argh, not again please... |
| 13:01.47 | abrotman | m4lu6: oh .. you're ambitious .. i'm sorry .. it's sunday .. usually doesn't happen here |
| 13:01.53 | m4lu6 | :) |
| 13:01.54 | paulswm | asuffield: That's funny |
| 13:02.04 | asuffield | it's a hobby |
| 13:02.07 | IDC | If i was right,i did remember there were lots of logo/banners for linux at freshmeat ? |
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| 13:02.29 | paulswm | Actually, I still get stoned while programming - when my users throw rocks at me. |
| 13:02.52 | Overand | i wonder what percentage of the code we run was written 'under the influence' of one thing or another |
| 13:03.06 | Phated | Gleeep. |
| 13:03.18 | paulswm | Overand: a lot of early text games, I suspect |
| 13:03.18 | christel | i say :) |
| 13:03.20 | Phated | abrotman: *whap* |
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| 13:03.23 | Phated | Erm. |
| 13:03.28 | Phated | asuffield: *whap* |
| 13:03.35 | Phated | Sorreee, abrotman. |
| 13:03.38 | Overand | paulswm: i think the SCUMM games might be too |
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| 13:04.06 | streuner_ | only 35! |
| 13:04.12 | abrotman | what ? |
| 13:04.16 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 13:04.19 | giupy_ | when i try launch links2 it says me that i don't have libtiff4 installed but i have it, what i need ? |
| 13:04.24 | streuner_ | abrotman: :-) |
| 13:04.29 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:04.42 | giupy_ | libtiff.so.4 |
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| 13:06.35 | paulswm | Overand: Actually, I miss the old days where one had to be more inventive to overcome hardware speed limitations, fast CPUs, networks and mass storage make programmers less concerned with efficient code (but probably lots of times more productive) |
| 13:07.01 | Overand | yeah |
| 13:07.06 | Overand | .NET is a great example of that |
| 13:07.20 | abrotman | m4lu6: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Public-Web-Browser.html ... check the links at the bottom too .. should be more than enough reading to get you started |
| 13:07.20 | Overand | you can push out an app that connects to a sql server, displays shit on a grid, etc etc |
| 13:07.23 | Overand | in like 40 seconds |
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| 13:07.25 | paulswm | Java would be laughed out of computing back in the days of the PDP-11 and IBM360 |
| 13:07.27 | Overand | but it *is* pretty slow |
| 13:07.34 | Agiofws | does sarge have xorg? |
| 13:07.40 | resiak | !topicsmite Agiofws |
| 13:07.42 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Agiofws. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:07.42 | Agiofws | or xfree86 |
| 13:07.57 | Nolius_ | hello, mono is not present in Sarge? |
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| 13:08.20 | resiak | Hello, no it's not. |
| 13:08.39 | Agiofws | sarge is not out? |
| 13:08.45 | Overand | is that due to possible fears of litigation, resiak? |
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| 13:08.48 | resiak | Sarge is not out. |
| 13:08.51 | Overand | haahaha |
| 13:08.57 | Overand | -!- mono [~mono@cpe-68-175-96-236.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 148 (No route to host)] |
| 13:09.00 | Overand | OH GOD |
| 13:09.01 | resiak | Overand: No, it's because they messed up. |
| 13:09.02 | Overand | that's hilarious |
| 13:09.05 | Overand | resiak: heh ok |
| 13:09.56 | Nolius_ | what is the reason? |
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| 13:10.18 | streuner_ | Nolius_: meebey.net |
| 13:10.30 | resiak | Nolius_: http://wiki.debian.net/?MonoDebianPlan |
| 13:10.51 | Overand | i really like the wikipedia engine al ot more than most conventioanl wikis |
| 13:11.01 | Overand | even if only because of the whole WikiWords thing |
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| 13:11.50 | streuner_ | Nolius_: http://www.meebey.net/jaws/ |
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| 13:21.00 | qumran | Can anyone tell me what to enter in /etc/apt/preferences when i want a local repository to have a higher priority? |
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| 13:25.20 | qumran | Hi again, sorry that i just leaved, problems with internet connection. |
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| 13:25.54 | qumran | Can anyone tell me what to put in /etc/apt/preferences when i want a local repository to have higher priority? |
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| 13:26.56 | Scruff | pourriez m'aider ? |
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| 13:29.27 | _gentgeen_ | does anyone know of a command line way to lock a CD-ROM door? |
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| 13:29.46 | vekpos | hello! is there a key-combination or a command to change the actual desktop-area? |
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| 13:30.52 | _gentgeen_ | vekpos, if you mean the workspaces/vitual desktops, then it depends on your Window Manager |
| 13:32.07 | giupy | i have installed rt2500 module for my wireless card, all goes well, i do iwconfig ra0 channel 6, ifconfig ra0 up, iwscan ra0 and when i try dhcpcd ra0 i recive this msg dhcpcd.exe: wrong interface name "ra0"......what i need ? |
| 13:32.30 | jasoncohen | why can't i start X programs from a root shell? It complains it can't access the X display. |
| 13:32.36 | m4lu6 | abrotman, that doc is exacly what i was looking for. thanks. |
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| 13:32.44 | Scruff | !fr |
| 13:32.45 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 13:32.49 | Scruff | !u |
| 13:32.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:32.52 | Scruff | !dt |
| 13:32.54 | abrotman | m4lu6: no problem . glad it helps |
| 13:32.55 | Scruff | !de |
| 13:32.55 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 13:32.58 | Scruff | lol |
| 13:33.32 | m4lu6 | tweaked it a little, the debian way, with update-rc.d, etc, but otherwise, it answered the major quesitons i had. |
| 13:33.36 | incorrect | im trying to create a tar with a different dir from the one i am currently in, i thought tar -cvf ~/tmp/local.tar local/ -C /home/user/ |
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| 13:34.05 | lewis | hey - ever since installing sqwebmail, I have been having problems with proftpd (started by inetd). everytime I successfully connect, proftpd soon disconnects me, and sometimes I get a connection refused when trying to connect - any thoughts? I have tried restarting inetd |
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| 13:34.40 | incorrect | oh its just logical order |
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| 13:38.13 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 13:40.27 | hugo | when my system crashed and I had to "reset", how can I find out, what might have caused the trouble? |
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| 13:41.20 | pureone | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.36 | Jarmo | any1 suggestions what to do, I'm running apache2 server and website contains a php script which doesn't work [it doesn't load automagically with a php prog]. Script itself works perfectly, and I've installed php4-mod thingys to apache, but it doesn't still work, when trying to open the file it suggests to open it with gedit and stuff.. what to be done to get it working? |
| 13:41.50 | pureone | could be in kernel.log or messages.log just have alook around |
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| 13:43.17 | hugo | my kern.log seems to be turened off, since the last entries are from jan 10th. how to reenable it? |
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| 13:43.40 | pureone | rcconf i belive though im not 100% sure on that |
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| 13:44.57 | hugo | syslogd is running, shouldn't it log all that stuff? with dpkg default config? |
| 13:44.57 | abrotman | Jarmo: configure apache correctly |
| 13:45.47 | pureone | hugo then it may be in /var/log/messages |
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| 13:46.39 | _gentgeen_ | Well, I just found 'hdparm -L 1 /dev/hdc' ---- But then I get an error "HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(doorlock) failed: Input/output error" -- any idea what that means |
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| 13:47.20 | pureone | never trust the default config |
| 13:47.20 | abrotman | _gentgeen_: install a deadbolt |
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| 13:47.44 | abrotman | hugo: check your syslod.conf |
| 13:47.48 | abrotman | pureone: and what are you talking about ? |
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| 13:48.47 | jasoncohen | yes, use rcconf to set services to start on boot |
| 13:49.10 | pureone | you shouldnt trust the default config of anything always give it a once other to make sure its right |
| 13:49.26 | jasoncohen | anyone know where the network configuration scripts are located? i've set wpa_supplicant to read my configuration file and start automatically but it's not correctly getting an IP from the AP. I need to run ifup ath0 in addition. |
| 13:49.28 | abrotman | onceover ? |
| 13:49.39 | pureone | oops |
| 13:49.44 | abrotman | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 13:49.49 | pureone | yes once over... |
| 13:50.10 | pureone | i should watch what im typing really |
| 13:50.12 | paulswm | jasoncohen: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:50.13 | Super_Cat_Frog | does anybody know of a repository that carries the latest version of opera? im using the official repo (debs.opera.com) but thats only 7.53 |
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| 13:50.23 | _gentgeen_ | abrotman, assuming you mean the metal kind -- lol |
| 13:50.25 | jasoncohen | anyone know where the network configuration scripts are located? i've set wpa_supplicant to read my configuration file and start automatically but it's not correctly getting an IP from the AP. I need to run ifup ath0 in addition. |
| 13:50.36 | Jarmo | s_c_f apt-get install opera8 |
| 13:50.52 | Jarmo | oh |
| 13:50.53 | Jarmo | repo |
| 13:50.53 | dfzi | Jarmo, are you sure that opera is available on apt? |
| 13:51.00 | Jarmo | it was on mine |
| 13:51.02 | Super_Cat_Frog | jarmo - is opera 8 in the official repo? |
| 13:51.13 | abrotman | Super_Cat_Frog: no |
| 13:51.13 | jetdotnet | !info opera |
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| 13:51.19 | jasoncohen | not here |
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| 13:51.25 | jetdotnet | !info opera8 |
| 13:51.29 | jasoncohen | opera is not in the official depo |
| 13:51.32 | abrotman | jetdotnet: no |
| 13:51.32 | jasoncohen | *repo |
| 13:51.38 | jasoncohen | !info opera8 |
| 13:51.41 | Jarmo | best way to get it www.opera.com still =) |
| 13:51.44 | abrotman | Super_Cat_Frog: i use the static deb ... |
| 13:51.48 | jetdotnet | [08:51:28] <dpkg> Package 'opera8' does not exist. |
| 13:51.49 | dfzi | Jarmo, weird. can you put your sources.list to net? |
| 13:51.56 | aardvark | bloody kanotix users |
| 13:52.01 | dfzi | since opera is not under GNU license... or so |
| 13:52.09 | Jarmo | nope =) |
| 13:52.17 | jetdotnet | !paste |
| 13:52.17 | dpkg | well, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
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| 13:52.58 | Jarmo | any1 suggestions what to do, I'm running apache2 server and website contains a php script which doesn't work [it doesn't load automagically with a php prog]. Script itself works perfectly, and I've installed php4-mod thingys to apache, but it doesn't still work, when trying to open the file it suggests to open it with gedit and stuff.. what to be done to get it working? |
| 13:53.18 | jetdotnet | mimetypes? |
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| 13:53.42 | abrotman | apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 13:53.47 | Jarmo | done.. |
| 13:53.50 | Jarmo | still not working |
| 13:53.54 | abrotman | then restart apache ? |
| 13:53.56 | Jarmo | done |
| 13:53.59 | Rawplayer | where can i get reiserfs4 packages for debian? |
| 13:54.01 | abrotman | configure apache ? |
| 13:54.01 | Jarmo | neither after that |
| 13:54.04 | karim | http://pastebin.com/284655 |
| 13:54.06 | abrotman | Rawplayer: don't think you can |
| 13:54.07 | jetdotnet | !reiser4 |
| 13:54.07 | dpkg | it has been said that reiser4 is If you want Reiser4, why are you using debian? |
| 13:54.09 | karim | hi |
| 13:54.10 | jasoncohen | someone told me yesterday how to set a network device to use the DHCP client? anyone know? |
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| 13:54.21 | karim | hum sorry |
| 13:54.26 | karim | wrong channel |
| 13:54.32 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 13:54.32 | dpkg | [ppc] short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 13:54.43 | giupy | when i try dhcpcd ra0 i recive this msg dhcpcd.exe: wrong interface name....what i need? |
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| 13:55.01 | jetdotnet | karim: you can use make-kpkg on kernel.org sources |
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| 13:55.16 | jetdotnet | eth0 maybe? |
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| 13:55.30 | jetdotnet | what is ra0 |
| 13:55.39 | paulswm | giupy: dhcpcd.exe is not a Linux executable, you may be in the wrong channel |
| 13:55.57 | giupy | paulswm i'm on debian :) |
| 13:56.01 | jetdotnet | !paulswm++ |
| 13:56.05 | jetdotnet | wtf... .exe |
| 13:56.25 | paulswm | giupy: dhcpcd.exe is still not a Linux executable :) |
| 13:56.32 | giupy | yeah i now |
| 13:56.36 | dabreegster | giupy: run this command: file /path/to/dhcpcd.exe |
| 13:56.45 | giupy | ? |
| 13:56.47 | Jarmo | what to be done to that apache2 server.. it worked fine on apache1.3 |
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| 13:57.02 | jasoncohen | what would be the correct setting in /etc/network/interfaces for a wireless deivce? map ath0 and iface ath0 inet dhcp? |
| 13:57.14 | jetdotnet | no 'worked on apache1.3' factoid afaicr |
| 13:57.42 | Jarmo | not too fluent with english.. |
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| 13:57.50 | jetdotnet | giupy: he said copy and paste this to an xterm: file /path/to/dhcpcd.exe |
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| 13:58.25 | giupy | jetdotnet why it's not linux command... |
| 13:58.26 | jetdotnet | i yhink |
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| 13:58.33 | giupy | jetdotnet why? it's not linux command... |
| 13:58.34 | jetdotnet | giupy: .exe |
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| 13:58.45 | jetdotnet | nm |
| 13:58.47 | giupy | yes yes |
| 13:58.48 | jetdotnet | i don't care |
| 13:58.52 | SDFH_Linux | what is the best version of debian for a p3 600mhz? |
| 13:58.56 | SDFH_Linux | and what gui? |
| 13:58.57 | dabreegster | giupy: but replace the /path/to bit with the correct path, so you can see what filetype it is, though it appears to be a .exe. |
| 13:59.30 | giupy | that is the answer of my router modem when i try connect to it via wireless |
| 13:59.31 | Gathond_ | giupy: it could be, nothing stops you from making a binary called dhcpcd.exe, it is just not usually done |
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| 14:00.00 | omgs | HI |
| 14:00.10 | hugo | is there some linux virus around, right now? |
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| 14:00.23 | Gathond_ | dabreegster: but a file named something.exe is pretty unlikey to find in a standard linux system right? |
| 14:00.23 | omgs | I have a problem recording the dvd iso for sarge with k3b |
| 14:00.29 | giupy | i have WEP disabled |
| 14:00.34 | ethichs | uname -r |
| 14:00.38 | ethichs | mis |
| 14:00.47 | omgs | k3b says it's not a valid iso9660 image |
| 14:01.10 | omgs | I built it with jidgo, and it tested the image to be ok |
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| 14:01.21 | moshii | I've just strapped the MS Japanese fonts from a windows cd into my system.. does anyone know how I can make these the default for Japanese text? |
| 14:01.36 | jetdotnet | maybe it's really a .img not a .iso (guessing) |
| 14:01.45 | dabreegster | Gathond_: Correct. But somebody could've accidentally renamed a normal *nix executable to .exe by some weird, possibly drunken mistake. |
| 14:02.01 | Gathond_ | dabreegster: correct |
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| 14:02.17 | abrotman | hugo: doing what? |
| 14:02.39 | jetdotnet | SDFH_Linux: sarge and anything. my kid has gnome on a p3-550, it's ok |
| 14:03.07 | Lorvija | jetdotnet i got kde on p4 400mhz (: is ok |
| 14:03.16 | Lorvija | p3* |
| 14:03.17 | enyc | hrrrm |
| 14:03.37 | abrotman | there is no PIII 400Mhz |
| 14:03.42 | enyc | ive got a weird k6-3 440mhz whatnot I think with 256kb full-speed l2-cache |
| 14:03.43 | Super_Cat_Frog | SDFH_Linux - i used to run XFCE on a pentium-mmx 233 (iirc). it ran quite fast on that |
| 14:03.53 | Lorvija | abrotman hmm okay, p2 then =) cant remember which it was (: |
| 14:03.57 | enyc | with 80mhz fsb (overclocked from thate standard 66mhz) |
| 14:03.58 | abrotman | !win me |
| 14:04.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 14:04.08 | abrotman | and so close to mother too |
| 14:04.13 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 14:04.14 | abrotman | streuner_: did i win yet ? |
| 14:04.32 | jetdotnet | Lorvija: p4-400 eh |
| 14:04.32 | Super_Cat_Frog | (when i say fast, i mean relatively speaking) |
| 14:04.38 | jetdotnet | :_ |
| 14:04.41 | Lorvija | jetdotnet that was typo :P |
| 14:04.41 | nextime | i use a p4 2600 with only frame buffer, it's ok :) |
| 14:04.42 | jetdotnet | err :) |
| 14:04.49 | abrotman | Super_Cat_Frog: try blackbox |
| 14:05.10 | moshii | My little brother uses fluxbox on a p133.. seems ok |
| 14:05.18 | Gathond_ | jetdotnet: hey at 400 Mhz a P4 might actually run with a power comsumption in a normal range :) |
| 14:05.18 | jetdotnet | icewm is nice, and light. fluxbox was cool, openbox kind bit |
| 14:05.19 | Super_Cat_Frog | abrotman - that computers not in use any more, i use kde on my comp |
| 14:05.23 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:05.25 | jetdotnet | kinda bit |
| 14:05.38 | dabreegster | icewm-lite is a great wm for older boxes |
| 14:05.42 | jetdotnet | prescott-- |
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| 14:07.52 | giupy | ohh i ave dhcpcd.exe in /etc/dhcpc/ |
| 14:08.11 | giupy | if i try launch it i recive this msg dhcpcd.exe: wrong usage |
| 14:08.19 | jetdotnet | lol |
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| 14:08.25 | nextime | .exe? |
| 14:08.26 | Super_Cat_Frog | giupy - how the hell did it get there? |
| 14:08.28 | jetdotnet | ok now where the fuck did you get that file :) |
| 14:08.31 | jetdotnet | what he said |
| 14:08.46 | asg | jetdotnet: it's in the dhcpcd package |
| 14:08.51 | jetdotnet | :o |
| 14:08.56 | jetdotnet | noway |
| 14:08.59 | jetdotnet | ? |
| 14:09.00 | abrotman | \there are no files called .exe |
| 14:09.04 | asg | asg@rob:~$ apt-file search dhcpcd.exe |
| 14:09.04 | asg | dhcpcd: etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd.exe |
| 14:09.11 | asg | !lose abrotman |
| 14:09.12 | Super_Cat_Frog | giupy - use /sbin/dhclient %YOUR_NETWORK_INTERFACE% |
| 14:09.13 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 14:09.16 | abrotman | eegads! |
| 14:09.21 | paulswm | *gasp* |
| 14:09.23 | abrotman | asg: that's nothing |
| 14:09.25 | abrotman | !find .exe |
| 14:09.33 | giupy | Super_Cat_Frog i try |
| 14:09.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of '.exe' (5 of 10): (/etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd.exe) in net/dhcpcd ;; (/usr/lib/coco-cs/Coco.exe) in devel/coco-cs ;; (/usr/lib/zmailer/vacation.exe) in non-US/zmailer-ssl ;; (/usr/lib/ada/adalib/gtkada2/bin/gate2-in.exe) in libdevel/libgtkada2-dev ;; (/usr/lib/Eli/tp/1.0.3/tp.exe, /usr/lib/Eli/clp/1.0.1/clp.exe, /usr/lib/Eli/cpp/1.0.0/cpp.exe) in devel/eli. |
| 14:09.40 | abrotman | asg: who knew ... |
| 14:09.49 | jetdotnet | :O |
| 14:09.49 | abrotman | streuner_: almost! |
| 14:09.56 | asg | abrotman: yeah, rather odd. |
| 14:10.09 | dabreegster | Wow. |
| 14:10.26 | giupy | Super_Cat_Frog i don't have that command |
| 14:10.29 | dabreegster | an exe in /etc? wtf? |
| 14:10.49 | giupy | dhclient command |
| 14:11.01 | Super_Cat_Frog | giupy - apt-get it? |
| 14:11.05 | asg | giupy: do us a favor and run 'file /etc/dhcpcd/dhcpcd.exe' and paste the results |
| 14:11.31 | giupy | i have just made <giupy> if i try launch it i recive this msg dhcpcd.exe: wrong usage |
| 14:11.36 | Super_Cat_Frog | guipy - apt-get install dhcp-client |
| 14:11.41 | giupy | k |
| 14:11.58 | Omicron | s |
| 14:12.05 | giupy | oh that removes dhcpcd |
| 14:12.20 | giupy | i try |
| 14:12.39 | jetdotnet | he had the dhcp server? |
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| 14:12.51 | SDFH_Linux | is dam small linux worth checking out? |
| 14:12.53 | paulswm | Yes, 'd' is daemon |
| 14:13.00 | dabreegster | SDFH_Linux: this is #debian |
| 14:13.17 | asg | SDFH_Linux: ask #damnsmalllinux |
| 14:13.30 | jetdotnet | but not #dsl |
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| 14:13.36 | MobyTurbo | SDFH_Linux: one minus is that you won't get suppport for it on #debian |
| 14:13.55 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 14:13.55 | dabreegster | MobyTurbo: And we provide such superb, mature advice. |
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| 14:15.25 | MobyTurbo | dabreegster: of course |
| 14:15.47 | abrotman | dabreegster: liar .. i will hunt you down and stuff a burrito in your nose for saying such things! |
| 14:16.00 | jetdotnet | ok... what is the difference between distros? just where they put files, and the makeup of associated scripts? and the choice of packages? basically, any program will run on any distro, with the proper dependencies fulfilled? |
| 14:16.02 | dabreegster | abrotman: 'Twas sarcasm! |
| 14:16.09 | dabreegster | abrotman: And I'm hungry, so in the mouth please. |
| 14:16.14 | abrotman | dabreegster: ok |
| 14:16.29 | abrotman | streuner_: i give it to you .. it is *the* line |
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| 14:17.12 | abrotman | jetdotnet: he's been telling me that i'm close to a certain threshold .. and now i'm past it |
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| 14:18.16 | jetdotnet | omg streuner ignored me!!! |
| 14:18.37 | dabreegster | jetdotnet: Don't Panic! |
| 14:18.58 | dabreegster | jetdotnet: Hitchhiker's Guide? |
| 14:19.07 | jetdotnet | but of course |
| 14:19.25 | dabreegster | jetdotnet: Excellent books, TV series, and radio series, crappy movie. |
| 14:19.42 | jetdotnet | i much preferred the books |
| 14:19.51 | nagual | actually i thought the tv-series sucked too, but the movie shouldnt have gotten into the hands of hollywood :/ |
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| 14:20.05 | dabreegster | jetdotnet: Ditto. The radio series were funny too. |
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| 14:20.24 | dabreegster | nagual: I recall them being quite nice. Hilarious, really. |
| 14:20.28 | giupy___ | using dhclient ra0, it seems to go i recive this msg: bound to 192.168.1.35 -- renewal in 129600 seconds |
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| 14:20.43 | giupy___ | but connection doesn't go |
| 14:20.46 | jetdotnet | wtf interface is an ra? |
| 14:20.46 | dabreegster | nagual: The movie provided 2 major disappointments, one totally unrelated to the movie itself. |
| 14:21.04 | giupy___ | jetdotnet yes ra0 |
| 14:21.17 | jetdotnet | nono.. WHAT is an ra |
| 14:21.38 | jetdotnet | eth==ethernet, ra==??? |
| 14:21.50 | giupy___ | rt2500 wirelss card |
| 14:21.52 | enyc | Is anybody here familiar with problems with xfree86 dirvers doublescan mode [s3virge] ?? |
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| 14:22.14 | enyc | under woody-xfree86, it only allows clocks 20mhz and higher and doublescan doesnt work at all (rejects it) |
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| 14:22.50 | jetdotnet | !ra |
| 14:22.58 | jetdotnet | i was RA |
| 14:22.59 | enyc | under sarge-xfree86, it allows clocks 10mhz and higher (better) and doublescan mode is no longer rejected (better) but in doublescan mode only the top half of scanlines are displayed (bottom half black with exception of hawrdware-accelrated-mouse) |
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| 14:23.37 | enyc | I want 320x240 to work properly, etc. for some emualtion-games and "heroes-sdl" and stuff ;-) but xserver being silly ;-( |
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| 14:24.12 | streuner_ | abrotman: YOU did it! :-) |
| 14:24.20 | enyc | I even made up a mode using modeline -- 360x270 non-doublescan at 28khz/100hz (pushing the min-h / max-v limits) |
| 14:24.23 | abrotman | streuner_: what now ? |
| 14:24.31 | enyc | which does work, it just looks horrible (needs doublescan) |
| 14:24.37 | enyc | heeeelp! ;) |
| 14:24.38 | giupy___ | from iwlist: Quality:0/100 , can it be that the problem ? |
| 14:24.45 | abrotman | streuner_: do i have to retire ? |
| 14:24.52 | streuner_ | abrotman: 1000.000 - what else? ;-) |
| 14:25.10 | abrotman | streuner_: that's like .. 9 more years |
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| 14:25.24 | abrotman | streuner_: debian would be 20 by then |
| 14:25.26 | abrotman | yeesh |
| 14:26.15 | jetdotnet | now i see streuner typing |
| 14:26.31 | daffy-pkf | i have a question... i followed what is said here: http://www.freedesktop.org/dri/snapshots/README.Debian |
| 14:26.43 | jason_ | abrotman, i have my wireless card setup. All i have to do is /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant start which i can start on boot and ifup ath0? how do i setup wpasupplicant to automatically authenticate and get an IP? |
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| 14:26.58 | jetdotnet | i tried /unignore streuner_ ... so did i have you ignored? |
| 14:27.02 | daffy-pkf | should i uninstall xserver-xfree86 and other things that are replaced by the dri? |
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| 14:28.01 | streuner_ | jetdotnet: no - my messages are top secret - only a few people see those ;-) |
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| 14:28.20 | thom___ | I don't think my debian-sarge install picked up my second drive. |
| 14:28.31 | thom___ | I partitioned it as a lvm. |
| 14:28.36 | abrotman | jason_: pre-ifup |
| 14:28.42 | abrotman | jason_: man interfaces .. iirc |
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| 14:28.55 | thom___ | Anyone have any experience with setting that up? |
| 14:29.06 | thom___ | Or have an idea where I can look? |
| 14:29.22 | jetdotnet | !lvm |
| 14:29.22 | dpkg | well, lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 14:29.24 | abrotman | thom___: mount the partitions |
| 14:29.36 | enyc | Hrrm Im not familiar with wpa whatnot.. I know wpa2 is much safer than awful wep... but these wlan technologies are in their infancy |
| 14:30.47 | takatumi | Google news lead me to the /. posting "25 Years after DOS |
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| 14:31.08 | thom___ | I don't even see the partition, which is weird. |
| 14:31.20 | thom___ | 'mount' should show me both drives, right? |
| 14:31.22 | lonewolff | hi there i wonder if anyone can help me, i installed uw-imap on my debian sarge install and i cant seem to find the config files |
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| 14:31.31 | cbr | what was the command to delete symlinks from runlevels? |
| 14:31.51 | takatumi | and at /. an msn ad lead me here http://spaces.msn.com/members/always-thinking/ wtf for? |
| 14:31.56 | yonkel-lappy | i'm trying to compile the latest kernel into a kernel-package...i ran it and it seemed to work ok except for the fact that the deb created is labeled "kernel-source" instead of "kernel-package" like i've seem it on other systems. what's the deal? |
| 14:31.59 | koefz | update-rc.d |
| 14:32.04 | jason_ | abrotman, where would i set pre-up to be run? |
| 14:32.09 | cbr | koefz: thanks |
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| 14:33.16 | abrotman | jason_: in your interfaces file |
| 14:33.20 | cbr | # update-rc.d cron remove |
| 14:33.20 | cbr | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/cron exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
| 14:33.22 | cbr | what does this mean? |
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| 14:33.38 | cbr | is it safe to force that? |
| 14:33.42 | abrotman | cbr: you don't want to do that |
| 14:33.47 | cbr | why not? |
| 14:34.01 | abrotman | you want to remove all cron jobs from running on your system ? |
| 14:34.11 | js_ | do i need any kind of module in order for ide devices to show up? i got ide_core and the module for my controller card loaded (debian is installed on scsi), but i cant see the connected drives anywhere |
| 14:34.11 | cbr | abrotman: yes |
| 14:34.17 | cbr | abrotman: cause i dont have any |
| 14:34.18 | abrotman | cbr: you don't want to do that |
| 14:34.24 | abrotman | cbr: you might not .. the system does |
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| 14:34.30 | cbr | like what? |
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| 14:34.55 | asg | cbr: look in /etc/cron.* (there are system maintenance scripts that run daily, weekly, and monthly. |
| 14:35.01 | abrotman | cbr: log rotation .. check /etc/cron.daily for example |
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| 14:35.19 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 14:35.26 | asg | abrotman: morning |
| 14:35.38 | abrotman | oh holy crap . it's only 1030 |
| 14:35.58 | asg | abrotman: still a perfect time for a beer though. |
| 14:36.06 | cbr | abrotman: i dont need most of them |
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| 14:36.20 | thom___ | I don't think the second drive is showing up anywhere.. |
| 14:36.24 | abrotman | cbr: the system does |
| 14:36.28 | cbr | why? |
| 14:36.30 | asg | thom___: anything in the output of dmesg? |
| 14:36.40 | asg | cbr: because /var will fill up otherwise (and other things.) |
| 14:36.44 | abrotman | cbr: is your /var/ seperate from / ? |
| 14:36.49 | cbr | no it isnt |
| 14:37.00 | abrotman | cbr: do you know what happens when / fills up ? |
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| 14:37.16 | cbr | bad things happen.. but come on.. logs dont get that big |
| 14:37.29 | asg | cbr: I have a log that is 1.5G daily. |
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| 14:37.32 | cbr | the biggest i've had with a year is like 20MB or smth |
| 14:37.33 | abrotman | cbr: wanna make a bet |
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| 14:38.00 | cbr | :/var/log $ du -sh . |
| 14:38.00 | cbr | 15M . |
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| 14:38.49 | asg | cbr: anyway, cron uses negligible resources; why remove it? |
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| 14:38.53 | valdyn | dmesg |
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| 14:39.01 | asg | dplane |
| 14:39.05 | cbr | asg: i dont want updatedb running daily for example |
| 14:39.09 | abrotman | asg: little balls ? |
| 14:39.28 | daffy-pkf | please can someone tell me if i need to uninstall xserver-xfree86 if i follow this document: http://www.nixnuts.net/files/README.txt ?????? |
| 14:39.43 | asg | abrotman: chocolate salty balls |
| 14:39.58 | cbr | and i reboot the computer often anyways.. so the answer to my question that i never got is that yes, it's safe to force it |
| 14:40.01 | cbr | :p |
| 14:40.11 | cbr | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/discover exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
| 14:40.13 | _joey | off topic question: does anyone know which connector to use to extend to coaxial cables ?:) |
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| 14:40.18 | daffy-pkf | cause i just did a dist-upgrade and i sax it upgraded xserver-xfree86... i wonder if everything is still corect on my system |
| 14:40.19 | asg | cbr: which renders your useful locate command useless. |
| 14:40.24 | thom___ | asg: Yes, but I'm not really sure what to look for. It does 'see' both Maxtor drives according to that log, however. |
| 14:40.26 | _joey | I can't search on google anymore |
| 14:40.33 | cbr | asg: if i need it, i'll update it |
| 14:40.33 | abrotman | cbr: no .. IT"S NOT |
| 14:40.48 | jetdotnet | daffy-pkf: should work fine |
| 14:40.59 | cbr | so i'll remove discover too |
| 14:41.07 | asg | cbr: then fine, remove it. When things break or start acting weird, you get to keep both halves. |
| 14:41.10 | cbr | abrotman: it's my desktop box |
| 14:41.15 | daffy-pkf | jetdotnet> do i need to reinstall the dri-trunk packages? |
| 14:41.18 | asg | thom___: are there any indications of /dev/hd* |
| 14:41.20 | abrotman | cbr: and i still stand by my statement ... |
| 14:41.22 | jetdotnet | _joey: the little round one |
| 14:41.31 | abrotman | cbr: if you remove discover .. your devices might stop working |
| 14:41.33 | jetdotnet | daffy-pkf: no idea |
| 14:41.56 | _joey | they are all little and round |
| 14:42.00 | daffy-pkf | jetdotnet> ok... i'll try it like it is now... i'll guess it by myself... |
| 14:42.11 | cbr | abrotman: no they wont.. i've been not using it anyway.. just not the proper way.. i removed the script from /etc/init.d/ .. now i'm doing it with update-rc.d.. i have everything compiled into kernel or in /etc/modules |
| 14:42.21 | jason_ | abrotman, i can't seem to figure out how to force wpasupplicant to grant an IP to my wireless card. However, it works fine if I do /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant start && ifup ath0. can i simply add that to a script that starts on boot? |
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| 14:42.42 | yonkel-lappy | abrotman: can i get some kernel package help? |
| 14:42.53 | abrotman | cbr: fine .. you do whatever you want .. don't complain when all your shit is broken |
| 14:43.01 | _joey | I usually rename scripts starting with S in default rc directory |
| 14:43.02 | asg | jason_: did you add a pre-up /etc/init.d/wpasupplicant start to your /etc/network/interfaces file for your interface? |
| 14:43.06 | abrotman | !tell yonkel-lappy about kp |
| 14:43.12 | thom___ | asg: there are messages that say hdb attached ide-disk driver |
| 14:43.18 | abrotman | jason_: that's one way . |
| 14:43.21 | jetdotnet | i chmod -x |
| 14:43.22 | abrotman | !tell jason_ about rc.local |
| 14:43.32 | asg | thom___: what does fdisk -l /dev/hdb say? Does it list any filesystems? |
| 14:43.51 | jason_ | asg, i will now :) |
| 14:44.26 | jason_ | brb |
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| 14:44.59 | jason_ | yay- ifup ath0 and i'm up! |
| 14:45.01 | thom___ | asg: Yes, Linux LVM |
| 14:45.04 | abrotman | jason_: i told you that a while ago .. and it's in your interfaces man page |
| 14:45.08 | jason_ | the sweet smell of victory |
| 14:45.23 | jason_ | abrotman, i didn't understand how it had to be used |
| 14:45.30 | jason_ | i thought it was a command line option when running ifup |
| 14:45.30 | asg | aardvark: hehe |
| 14:45.48 | paulswm | aardvark: :) |
| 14:45.59 | asg | thom___: so it looks like the drives are available. I don't know about lvm though so someone else will have to help there. |
| 14:46.00 | jason_ | abrotman, sorry- I'm just confused because setting up wireless is a lot differant in debian than in RH/Mandrake |
| 14:46.02 | abrotman | jason_: man pages are great! :) |
| 14:46.06 | jason_ | i read it |
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| 14:46.15 | thom___ | asg: All I want is for both those drives to act as one drive. |
| 14:46.17 | abrotman | jason_: it's ok .. all working now ? |
| 14:46.23 | thom___ | You know, pool the drive space. |
| 14:46.25 | jason_ | yes- perfectly |
| 14:46.33 | resiak | yonkel-lappy: What problems are you having with kernel-package? The chapter on it in debian-reference-en is useful, if brief. |
| 14:46.34 | jason_ | abrotman, it also starts up faster than it did in mdk |
| 14:46.35 | jason_ | heh |
| 14:46.42 | thom___ | asg: Thats why I picked LVM, but I could be wrong there. |
| 14:46.44 | asg | thom___: I understand, I just have no experience with lvm. |
| 14:46.56 | thom___ | Thats what LVM does though, right? |
| 14:47.03 | abrotman | jason_: yay |
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| 14:47.11 | yonkel-lappy | resiak: thank you |
| 14:47.11 | Gathond | thom___: lvm can do that yes |
| 14:47.16 | cees | hi |
| 14:47.35 | thom___ | Gathond : Is there another way to do that, or is LVM pretty much the only way on a sarge install? |
| 14:47.51 | Gathond | thom___: never had the need, so I dont really know |
| 14:47.57 | cees | someone help me? im in debian ppc stable, upgrade but i cant execute .bin files |
| 14:48.11 | jason_ | abrotman, at first i was looking in /etc/sysconfing/networking where mdk has all its scripts. each interface had a file ifcfg-interface where you set DHCP, SSID etc. and then ifup-wireless had the commands that would be run. If you set WPA=y in ifcfg-ath0 it would start wpasupplicant from ifup-wireless |
| 14:48.17 | asg | cees: chmod -x <file> ; ./<file> |
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| 14:48.21 | yonkel-lappy | resiak: i seem to be having some trouble with make-kpkg on the standard linux kernel source from tarball. it seemed to compile correctly but gave me a deb called "kernel-source" instead of "kernel-image" like it's supposed to. is this ok? |
| 14:48.27 | jason_ | !rc.local |
| 14:48.27 | dpkg | it has been said that rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 14:48.28 | abrotman | jason_: i know how RH networking works :) |
| 14:48.34 | Gathond | cees: are you sure they are executable, and the contents is a PPC binary? |
| 14:48.39 | suifur | asg: I think you mean "chmod +x <file>; ./<file>" |
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| 14:48.52 | asg | suifur: yes, you are right |
| 14:48.57 | suifur | ;)_ |
| 14:49.00 | abrotman | yonkel-lappy: man make-kpkg .. check the section about the targets .. ie .. binary, image etc |
| 14:49.02 | asg | cees: s/-x/+x/ |
| 14:49.09 | cees | yes, the file is staroffice.bin and it run in slackware |
| 14:49.18 | yonkel-lappy | abrotman: i ran: fakeroot make-kpkg buildpackage -rev Custom.1 kernel_image |
| 14:49.28 | yonkel-lappy | abrotman: that seems like it should be correct... |
| 14:49.33 | iostream | Hardware: I was wondering, is mainboard-support needed to use ECC RAM ? Or is ECC/non-ECC RAM transparent to the mainboard? |
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| 14:49.51 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 14:49.51 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
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| 14:49.55 | takatumi | jason_: tried man wireless? |
| 14:50.07 | cees | i cnat execute anyone .bin file |
| 14:50.23 | asg | cees: is it executable? what does 'file ./file' say? |
| 14:50.38 | jason_ | um- i don't seem to have a rc.local file |
| 14:50.48 | cees | cannot execute binary file |
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| 14:51.00 | jason_ | takatumi, jasonslaptop:/home/jason# man wireless |
| 14:51.00 | jason_ | No manual entry for wireless |
| 14:51.00 | cees | this the message |
| 14:51.02 | asg | cees: and the output of file(1) |
| 14:51.12 | jason_ | locate rc.local shows nothing. it's in /etc/ right? |
| 14:51.22 | asg | jason_: right, rc.local is a BSD hack for lazy people |
| 14:51.24 | suifur | jason_: there's not one |
| 14:51.27 | resiak | yonkel-lappy: The invocation I always use is fakeroot make-kpkg --revision foo --append-to-version -bar --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image , and it worksforme. |
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| 14:51.37 | paulswm | !prize asg |
| 14:51.41 | resiak | yonkel-lappy: Always remember make-kpkg clean whenever you reconfigure stuff. |
| 14:51.43 | cees | cannot execute binary file |
| 14:51.52 | yonkel-lappy | resiak: that could be it |
| 14:52.00 | jason_ | asg, can the same thing be done in debian with another file? |
| 14:52.00 | asg | cees: you are saying that 'file /path/to/file' returns 'cannot execute binary file'? |
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| 14:52.04 | eserban | What's the best method or the "debian" way to create a bridge interface on bootup? |
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| 14:52.19 | eserban | via /etc/network/interfaces or an init.d script? |
| 14:52.20 | asg | jason_: yes, just copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to a new name and edit it. |
| 14:52.23 | cspan | hey, can anyone help me setting up jackd in debian sarge ppc? |
| 14:52.24 | resiak | !sing sunday |
| 14:52.24 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 14:52.26 | takatumi | jason_: part of the wireless-tools package. |
| 14:52.27 | cees | the file is so/5_2/ga/linux/es.bin |
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| 14:52.58 | npx | man |
| 14:53.02 | npx | it's hard to find a good car seat. |
| 14:53.09 | asg | cees: there is a command, called /usr/bin/file. Run it on the .bin file (/usr/bin/file /path/to/file.bin) Paste what it prints. |
| 14:53.13 | wdp | where do i find openssl? If i try to compile something with SSL there's no openssl found, but it's installed. which path should i use? |
| 14:53.23 | asg | wdp: libssl-dev |
| 14:53.33 | cees | asg: yes path to file:cannot execute binary file |
| 14:53.42 | wdp | asg, ty ;-) |
| 14:53.52 | asg | cees: paste exactly what you are typing. |
| 14:54.01 | jason_ | takatumi, ah- that explains why i didn't have iwconfing and there was no iwconfig package? what is iwconfig needed for if you can start wireless without it? |
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| 14:54.58 | abrotman | asg: whne i use deborphan -a .. it tells me my kernel isn't needed .. can i remove it |
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| 14:55.18 | karim | hello |
| 14:55.21 | cees | ooopsss ELF 32/bit LSB executable, Intel 80386 !!!1 sorry, I forget i am in a ppc |
| 14:55.23 | asg | abrotman: as long as 'uname -r' isn't the same one. |
| 14:55.23 | paulswm | abrotman: Yes, remove it immediately and reboot :P |
| 14:55.28 | karim | how to do again a base-config ? |
| 14:55.29 | asg | !lart cees |
| 14:55.32 | cspan | well, can anyone please help me setting up the audio in sarge ppc? |
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| 14:55.49 | abrotman | asg: i don't htink i need any kernels ... |
| 14:55.51 | karim | cspan, #debianppc |
| 14:56.00 | cees | asg sorry !art ??? what does mean |
| 14:56.03 | cspan | thank you karim |
| 14:56.06 | asg | !lart |
| 14:56.07 | iostream | abrotman: You will need at least one. |
| 14:56.12 | asg | !dict lart |
| 14:56.14 | dpkg | Dictionary 'lart' (2): Luser Attitude Re-adjustment Tool ;; 220 aspen.miranda.org dictd 1.9.15/rf on Linux 2.4.27-2-k7 <auth.mime> <1703769.29931.1116168976@aspen.miranda.org> 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "lart" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" LART. |
| 14:56.14 | abrotman | no wqay |
| 14:56.17 | abrotman | no kernels! |
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| 14:56.28 | asg | abrotman: you can probably use an NT kernel. |
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| 14:56.40 | asg | cees: it's a joke, disregard it. |
| 14:56.42 | abrotman | asg: oh .. good idea .. i hear they work better than the DOS kernel |
| 14:56.55 | cees | oh!! thanks |
| 14:57.03 | asg | abrotman: I prefer the OS/2 kernels myself. |
| 14:57.17 | _gentgeen_ | would installing the nvidia-glx package and the NVIDIA drivers from the website be the same thing?? |
| 14:57.19 | iostream | asg: Emacs :) |
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| 14:57.22 | abrotman | asg: netware ? |
| 14:57.28 | cees | is there a way to make executable a intel executable to ppc executable? |
| 14:57.29 | asg | !abend abrotman |
| 14:57.29 | iostream | _gentgeen_: Nope.. |
| 14:57.32 | asg | bah |
| 14:57.34 | abrotman | asg: i found a pile of OS2 cds in my office a few weeks ago |
| 14:57.43 | Manny | hi |
| 14:57.46 | asg | abrotman: yeah, I have a copy of 2.1 on 5 1/4 floppies upstairs. |
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| 14:57.54 | _gentgeen_ | is there any benifit to one or the other?? |
| 14:57.59 | abrotman | asg: and all kinds of software forit .. |
| 14:58.00 | abrotman | err for it |
| 14:58.06 | abrotman | OS/2 4 i guess |
| 14:58.18 | asg | abrotman: oh, way after I gave up on it. |
| 14:58.18 | Manny | if I see a source package with "architecture: any" in experimental, is it normal that the package isn't available for ppc as compiled package? |
| 14:58.28 | paulswm | cees: you'd have to get the source and recompile it, the architectures are different. |
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| 14:58.38 | abrotman | asg: they were just in my office :) |
| 14:58.45 | abrotman | Manny: it's possible .. which package ? |
| 14:58.54 | Manny | abrotman: mono |
| 14:58.58 | Manny | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/source/mono |
| 14:59.03 | asg | abrotman: I do have a SCO openserver 3 package including full docs and licensing also ;) |
| 14:59.05 | Manny | it is available for i386 |
| 14:59.21 | abrotman | Manny: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=mono ... and ask #debian-mono |
| 14:59.26 | abrotman | asg: that's just sick |
| 14:59.41 | asg | abrotman: yeah, liberated it at work for Historical reasons many years ago. |
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| 15:00.05 | takatumi | !asg++ |
| 15:00.11 | abrotman | asg: heh .. |
| 15:00.41 | asg | abrotman: I have a 5 floppy distribution of Window 1.1 or something somewhere. |
| 15:00.49 | asg | s/dow/dows/ |
| 15:01.03 | enyc | ;-)) |
| 15:01.14 | takatumi | asg: did it have solitaire? :) |
| 15:01.15 | enyc | I have that windoze 1.1 wsomehwer im sure |
| 15:01.17 | enyc | cant remember ;p |
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| 15:01.26 | asg | takatumi: no, the final disk was nothing but printer drivers. |
| 15:01.42 | abrotman | asg: i used to know where i could get an AT&T unix pc :) |
| 15:01.47 | asg | hah |
| 15:01.55 | abrotman | with the mouse :) |
| 15:02.05 | jason_ | abrotman and asg : thanks for the help setting up my wireless card |
| 15:02.11 | asg | abrotman: you ever see GEOS on the C64 |
| 15:02.13 | asg | jason_: you're welcome |
| 15:02.22 | enyc | Ive got a real IBM PC-XT 5160 come to think of it |
| 15:02.24 | abrotman | asg: vaguely remember |
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| 15:02.27 | abrotman | jason_: enjoy :) |
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| 15:02.33 | jason_ | i will |
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| 15:02.58 | asg | abrotman: you'd move the pointer (with a joystick) to an application and click on it. Then you'd have to spend 2 minutes swapping floppies to load the app into memory :) |
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| 15:03.12 | asg | abrotman: it was at that point that I decided GUI environments were crap and a waste of time. |
| 15:03.14 | karim | hi |
| 15:03.14 | takatumi | torture! |
| 15:03.27 | karim | anyone knows how to reinitiailise base-config ? |
| 15:03.44 | asg | karim: just run it. |
| 15:03.51 | Dagoth | I'm going to burn the 14 sarge CDs however the first CD said it is a set of 9...? |
| 15:03.54 | iostream | karim: /sbin/base-config |
| 15:03.56 | asg | Dagoth: don't |
| 15:04.05 | asg | Dagoth: just get the first one or a netinstall disc. |
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| 15:04.36 | karim | root@servitor:/usr/lib# /usr/sbin/base-config |
| 15:04.36 | karim | Terminated |
| 15:04.45 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. good thing you stuck with that idea :) |
| 15:04.51 | karim | iostream, I got this anoying terminated error |
| 15:04.58 | karim | it's not even an error |
| 15:05.00 | asg | abrotman: yeah |
| 15:05.15 | Dagoth | Everyone tells me to get netinstall, I don't want to netinstall, I won't have the internet when I install |
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| 15:05.40 | iostream | karim: ... |
| 15:05.46 | asg | karim: running it as root? |
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| 15:05.58 | eserban | What's the best method or the "debian" way to create a bridge interface on bootup? |
| 15:06.10 | asg | karim: if so, dpkg-reconfigure debconf (and choose Dialog) ; see if that fixes things. |
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| 15:06.20 | Madkiss | hi all. |
| 15:06.31 | simonrvn | hello |
| 15:06.43 | Madkiss | I'm having problems with the USB-Dongle of a Logitech MX900 bluetooth mouse. After plugging it in, I see in dmesg: |
| 15:06.50 | Madkiss | hub 1-0:1.0: port_wait_reset: err = -107 |
| 15:06.50 | Madkiss | hub 1-0:1.0: state 5 ports 10 chg 0000 evt 0000 |
| 15:07.42 | aardvark | Madkiss: are you plugging it into a hub or directly into the pc? |
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| 15:08.29 | Madkiss | aardvark: directly into the PC |
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| 15:08.37 | aardvark | hm. |
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| 15:09.34 | Madkiss | I also tried multiple different ports, but no luck |
| 15:10.00 | aardvark | Madkiss: very new kernel, i'm assuming |
| 15:10.10 | Madkiss | 2.6.12-rc3 |
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| 15:10.29 | giupy_ | wmaker say me error while loading shared libraries: libtiff.so.4 but i have it installed......what i need? |
| 15:10.51 | aardvark | Madkiss: nforce motherboard chipset? |
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| 15:10.56 | Madkiss | aardvark: yes. |
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| 15:11.09 | aardvark | Madkiss: i googled, appears to be broken for some reason. |
| 15:11.18 | Madkiss | googled for what? |
| 15:11.32 | aardvark | Madkiss: http://www.google.nl/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=state+5+ports+10+chg+0000+evt+0000&btnG=Search |
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| 15:11.39 | Madkiss | uhm. |
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| 15:11.55 | Madkiss | oh dear |
| 15:11.56 | Madkiss | thanks |
| 15:11.58 | aardvark | k. |
| 15:12.03 | priest | which was the first debian distro to have apt? |
| 15:12.24 | aardvark | priest: why? |
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| 15:12.46 | priest | aardvark: i was wondering :) |
| 15:12.52 | aardvark | !apt |
| 15:12.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. |
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| 15:13.17 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 15:13.23 | lkthomas | anyone using mailscanner rather than amavisd ? |
| 15:13.37 | aardvark | lkthomas: probably. someone. somewhere. |
| 15:13.38 | priest | aardvark: but when did it come? in woody or potato? |
| 15:13.46 | lkthomas | aardvark: are you ?! |
| 15:13.50 | aardvark | priest: probably first debian version. |
| 15:13.54 | aardvark | lkthomas: no. |
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| 15:14.44 | [Granger] | ha |
| 15:14.53 | [Granger] | you should have said the other 814 bots ;) |
| 15:15.20 | dabreegster | !anyone |
| 15:15.20 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 15:15.39 | Madkiss | oh wonderful, so they broke USB |
| 15:15.45 | aardvark | uh huh. |
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| 15:15.55 | aardvark | it's not the first time either. |
| 15:16.00 | Madkiss | Long live the production-stable-fiddle-gang |
| 15:16.01 | [Granger] | who broke USB? |
| 15:16.16 | Madkiss | (or not. Well, *please* not!) |
| 15:16.42 | [Granger] | Huh? What did I miss? |
| 15:17.06 | aardvark | 2.4.19 was a fun kernel. disappearing partitions, usb brokez0r, lockups... |
| 15:17.11 | paulswm | priest: apt was added in slink (2.1) in 1999 |
| 15:17.16 | [Granger] | hmm |
| 15:17.21 | [Granger] | and the error's back in 2.6? |
| 15:17.35 | Madkiss | no. USB is just broken for certain devices on nVIDIA/VIA Chipsets, obviously |
| 15:17.36 | aardvark | no, this is a different one |
| 15:17.46 | paulswm | priest: http://telemetrybox.org/tokyo/ |
| 15:17.50 | hoe | hi all, I want to monitor the network on the router on per ip/port basis, the text file output and the ability of making a graph from it, any recommendations? /found nisca, looks good/ |
| 15:17.53 | aardvark | although the 2.4.19 one was with VIA chipsets too. |
| 15:17.57 | [Granger] | Madkiss: yeah you just covered the majority of the installer base |
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| 15:18.09 | [Granger] | lots of linux users run on cheap via boxes |
| 15:18.15 | abrotman | since #dri and #xfree86 are sleeping .. . |
| 15:18.18 | [Granger] | so if you break via support you got a problem |
| 15:18.27 | Madkiss | [Granger]: The standard-kernel ought to work |
| 15:18.44 | abrotman | any of you know why if you start two X sessions(tty7/8) that only the first(tty7) has working DRI ? |
| 15:18.48 | incorrect | does anyone know of a nagios plugin for checking ajp13? |
| 15:19.00 | Madkiss | It seems time is there for hanging the person that had the idea of just not doing a development series kernel but putting all the stuff into the standard kernel |
| 15:19.02 | [Granger] | Madkiss: there's a reason I don't use pre-patch kernels |
| 15:19.11 | Madkiss | [Granger]: 2.6.11 is broken as well. |
| 15:19.15 | [Granger] | I'm on 2.6.7 |
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| 15:19.21 | [Granger] | Madkiss: for USB? |
| 15:19.24 | [Granger] | no it ain't |
| 15:19.29 | Madkiss | I was not even born when that was actual |
| 15:19.31 | [Granger] | err 2.6.11.7* |
| 15:19.41 | Madkiss | [Granger]: I said for some certain devices, no? |
| 15:19.42 | iostream | Has anyone experience issues with X and KDE where suddenly a whole rectangle of the screen is filled with grey?? |
| 15:19.44 | amphi | Madkiss: usb seems to work on 2.6.11 here, but I heard it broke again in 2.6.11.n |
| 15:19.54 | [Granger] | I'm using 2.6.11.7 with my logitech usb wireless keyboard |
| 15:19.57 | Madkiss | [Granger]: Several USB mice and the like |
| 15:20.03 | [Granger] | works just fine |
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| 15:20.24 | Madkiss | I am trying to plug in an MX900 USB-Dongle |
| 15:20.24 | [Granger] | actually Logitech LX500 to be exact |
| 15:20.24 | [Granger] | and everything works fine |
| 15:20.25 | Madkiss | and all I get is |
| 15:20.28 | Madkiss | hub 1-0:1.0: port_wait_reset: err = -107 |
| 15:20.28 | Madkiss | hub 1-0:1.0: state 5 ports 10 chg 0000 evt 0000 |
| 15:20.42 | [Granger] | is it a documented error? |
| 15:21.00 | Madkiss | what? |
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| 15:21.30 | [Granger] | as in has it been discussed on kernel.org |
| 15:21.40 | [Granger] | because it might just be a freak error on your box |
| 15:22.23 | Madkiss | Google has several reports on this, all for 2.6.11 or later |
| 15:22.44 | [Granger] | heh |
| 15:22.51 | [Granger] | oh well I'll keep running 2.6.11.7 |
| 15:22.55 | [Granger] | until I hit something |
| 15:22.59 | [Granger] | then maybe I'll downgrade |
| 15:23.03 | [Granger] | right now it's fine |
| 15:23.19 | Madkiss | honestly, I don't care whether your system is running fine or not, as long as mine doesn't |
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| 15:24.01 | [Granger] | shouldn't that be, as long as yours does? :/ |
| 15:24.09 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 15:25.14 | Madkiss | I will just invite you on a tea and discuss about two hours with you how nicely your system works ... |
| 15:25.25 | Madkiss | once mine does, too. |
| 15:25.29 | [Granger] | haha |
| 15:25.35 | [Granger] | alright I get you |
| 15:25.46 | [Granger] | there's not much you can do though :/ |
| 15:25.55 | [Granger] | except downgrade/upgrade until it works |
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| 15:26.30 | Madkiss | There are other important patches in the 2.6.12-series that are important for me. 2.6.10 does work, 2.6.11.x does not |
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| 15:27.10 | belracu | Any good place to learn ARM assembly on linux :P |
| 15:27.17 | [Granger] | Madkiss: well you can duke it out I guess |
| 15:27.28 | [Granger] | just be ready for a long night compiling :/ |
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| 15:27.30 | belracu | where to ask question on ARM assembly ? |
| 15:27.36 | Madkiss | I will just go and hunt the error. |
| 15:27.42 | Madkiss | and then lynch the person that introduced it. |
| 15:27.48 | [Granger] | haha |
| 15:27.50 | [Granger] | good luck |
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| 15:28.09 | asg | belracu: try #asm |
| 15:28.11 | Madkiss | LYNCH, I say. Hang him up somewhere everybody can see him! |
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| 15:30.21 | abrotman | or does xorg fix that problem with xfree |
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| 15:30.35 | simonrvn | er? |
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| 15:30.49 | abrotman | simonrvn: no dri on the second xsession |
| 15:30.59 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 15:31.08 | Madkiss | there is such a mass of updates in 2.6.11 for USB ... SIGH. |
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| 15:32.12 | Saudi-Linux | how to get debian boot graphically ???? |
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| 15:33.08 | simonrvn | install a dm |
| 15:33.09 | asg | Saudi-Linux: /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 15:33.10 | abrotman | Saudi-Linux: for which desktop ? |
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| 15:34.45 | Saudi-Linux | <abrotman> not desktop but i dont wont to look at the kernel masseges |
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| 15:35.21 | simonrvn | so turn verbose off (/etc/default/rcS). and they're not all kernel messages. |
| 15:35.33 | abrotman | Saudi-Linux: close your eyes! |
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| 15:37.05 | Saudi-Linux | <abrotman> they wont be close |
| 15:37.10 | abrotman | ok |
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| 15:39.39 | Manny | does anybody of you know a host which allows me to host debian packages and has unlimited traffic? I'd like to upload mono 1.1.6 for PPC somewhere and I suppose that many people want this |
| 15:39.43 | geordie | sb goto 05/15/05 00:00 |
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| 15:40.09 | Manny | maybe anybody of you can set up a little ssh account for a university or something? :) |
| 15:40.10 | concept10 | how do I list all kernel modules on my system? |
| 15:40.20 | asg | concept10: loaded ones or all available ones? |
| 15:40.33 | concept10 | avail.(not lsmod) |
| 15:40.39 | asg | find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f |
| 15:40.51 | concept10 | thanks |
| 15:41.16 | gnufan | concept10, what you trying to achieve? |
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| 15:41.58 | suppah | hi |
| 15:42.28 | concept10 | ok, I have a P4 2.66 HT laptop, it only runs at 1.59 ghz, im trying to fix that, I am running a smp kernel for the first time, im looking for the kernel module that regulates proc speed |
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| 15:43.52 | concept10 | anyone know the name of that module? |
| 15:44.04 | asg | concept10: cpufreq* |
| 15:44.17 | asg | concept10: also, speedstep* |
| 15:44.32 | asg | concept10: verify also that your BIOS isn't controlling CPU throttling. |
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| 15:45.03 | gandy909 | running 30r4. anyone know why I have a bunch of root 652 355 0 May14 ? 00:00:00 /USR/SBIN/CRON's and mail 653 652 0 May14 ? 00:00:00 [sh <defunct>]'s in my ps -ef listing? the all caps really throws me |
| 15:45.22 | gandy909 | they never go away till i reboot |
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| 15:45.43 | asg | gandy909: configure your MTA to send mail somewhere sane. |
| 15:45.48 | concept10 | asg: I dont think so, in winxp I have a app that allows me to throttle manually or dynamically, it works with debian, I just forgot the name of the kernel module |
| 15:46.21 | asg | concept10: it's probably related to one or the other of the ones I mentioned. |
| 15:47.43 | Vladi | hi, im trying to copy only the Maildir out of each on of my home users and am wondering if there is an script or serries of commands for that to get me started ? |
| 15:47.44 | gnufan | concept10, there is a cpudyn package - not got a P4 mobile here.... |
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| 15:48.10 | concept10 | modprobe cpudyn? |
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| 15:48.33 | gnufan | concept10, package not module - no Idea how it works. |
| 15:48.49 | concept10 | gnufan: oh, okay |
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| 15:49.18 | m4lu6 | something very odd going on with this experimental box i'm screwing around with, wonder if someone has an opinion: The symptoms-> |
| 15:49.19 | gnufan | concept10, ah it says cpufreq must be compiled in |
| 15:49.32 | giupy | is there xmule in sarge ? |
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| 15:49.44 | m4lu6 | it's a Via mobo, i've got the kernel pared down to bare minimums to support the board, usb, video (fb), sound, etc etc. |
| 15:49.58 | asg | Vladi: for i in $(find /home -name 'Maildir' -type d) ; do cp $i destination/ ; done (or something like that.) |
| 15:50.16 | asg | !info xmule sarge |
| 15:50.18 | Vladi | asg: thank you so much :) |
| 15:50.20 | m4lu6 | I use mplayer to play a pr0n video, and while i *do* have sound, i can really only hear it if i turn my amp WAY, way WAY UP. i've used setmixer to jack the volume, PCM, etc, allll the way up to 100 |
| 15:50.21 | m4lu6 | ideas? |
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| 15:50.44 | aardvark | !ideas |
| 15:50.46 | asg | !why is xmule not in testing |
| 15:50.47 | dpkg | xmule is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xmule |
| 15:50.48 | m4lu6 | (and it's not the video, i can play it, and mp3's, etc just fine on another box, sounds ok) |
| 15:50.50 | concept10 | gnufan: I read that somewhere a couple of months ago, I cant believe that support for processor scaling isnt compiled into the kernel |
| 15:50.54 | gandy909 | asg: thanks. apparently exim is what I am using.. is there a command to run thru the config for it or is there a file I need to edit manually? |
| 15:50.54 | asg | giupy: ^^^ |
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| 15:51.07 | asg | gandy909: eximconfig (v3) or dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (v4) |
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| 15:51.23 | giupy | asg thanks |
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| 15:53.00 | giupy | is there a program like amule,xmule or something like that for console ? (i remember nap and snap). |
| 15:53.28 | asg | giupy: I use bitlbee to provide an nice irc -> instant messenger gateway (then I can use irssi-text) |
| 15:54.00 | gnufan | ...1390 packages are trying to enter testing.... ;) Can we have another release in June ? |
| 15:54.16 | giupy | asg irc?? |
| 15:54.24 | asg | giupy: what you are on now, Internet Relay Chat |
| 15:54.36 | giupy | asg bitchx |
| 15:54.42 | asg | giupy: that's an IRC client |
| 15:54.51 | giupy | yes :) |
| 15:54.52 | simonrvn | bitchx is using a protocol called IRC |
| 15:55.01 | mwilson | <sigh> I can't believe even LJ printed this letter from this idiot... |
| 15:55.10 | asg | mwilson: in the new edition? |
| 15:55.14 | asg | mwilson: the one about debian packages? |
| 15:55.30 | takatumi | gnufan: I had 21 new packages to upgrade just after I completed my marathon ~20 hour upgrade, can I have a release every day? |
| 15:55.40 | asg | takatumi: that's called sid |
| 15:55.53 | takatumi | asg: oh. :) |
| 15:55.54 | mwilson | asg: Yeah. I mean, LJ is pretty poor, but that's REALLY poor. |
| 15:56.09 | asg | mwilson: yeah, the've been slipping for a while now. |
| 15:56.58 | giupy | < |
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| 15:57.19 | asg | me notes that beer is mostly water anyway. |
| 15:57.32 | qbwdp | hey guys |
| 15:58.09 | giupy | is sid stable like sarge now ? |
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| 15:58.15 | asg | !pal giupy |
| 15:58.17 | qbwdp | when i boot up my machine hangs on eth1: no ipv6 routers present and on eth0, no ipv6 routers present, what service should i disable to have it not check that |
| 15:58.40 | asg | qbwdp: remove 'auto eth0' from /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 15:59.11 | qbwdp | asg: ok |
| 15:59.19 | aero | hi |
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| 16:00.17 | gnufan | giupy, that wasn't very nice |
| 16:00.40 | takatumi | giupy: neither is sarge stable now, nor is sid ever going to be. |
| 16:00.48 | gnufan | giupy, of asg that is... |
| 16:01.15 | qbwdp | when i am stuck on ni ipv6 routers present at boot up, is there a way i can tell it to continue, it's just sitting there for a very long time |
| 16:01.28 | giupy | i know names of debian stable unstable ecc... but i would like to know if sid is "stable" in the sense of the word |
| 16:01.38 | qbwdp | are there boot options i can pass to the kernel at boot up? |
| 16:01.47 | mwilson | giupy: How many times do you have to be told "No"? |
| 16:02.10 | mwilson | asg: I thought about writing a letter to correct the letter, then decided it wasn't worth the bother. |
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| 16:02.29 | gnufan | qbwdp, yes |
| 16:02.36 | giupy | sorry |
| 16:02.50 | LuPuZ | Anyone got OpenSSL working on Debian? have follwed the install notes... but it doesn't work :S |
| 16:02.57 | LuPuZ | It's installed but not working |
| 16:03.13 | takatumi | giupy: is it usable? yes. |
| 16:03.25 | asg | mwilson: I understand that feeling. |
| 16:03.29 | mwilson | LuPuZ: There was a reason, of course, why you didn't use the packaged openssl? |
| 16:03.47 | LuPuZ | can't find any packaged openssl for the sarge/testing |
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| 16:04.06 | LuPuZ | searched for openssl... but no results |
| 16:04.11 | asg | !info openssl sarge |
| 16:04.15 | dpkg | openssl: (Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related cryptographic tools), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.9.7e-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 884 kB, Installed size: 2132 kB |
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| 16:04.30 | mwilson | LuPuZ: You mean you didn't bother to look, right? |
| 16:04.43 | takatumi | probably a based on debian case. |
| 16:04.52 | LuPuZ | no... apt-get find openssl |
| 16:05.03 | LuPuZ | and also tried apt-cache search openssl |
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| 16:05.09 | asg | takatumi: I don't even think the based-on crap would remove openssl |
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| 16:05.17 | mwilson | LuPuZ: What was the first one supposed to do? |
| 16:05.18 | LuPuZ | must have been misstyping... cause now it got results :P |
| 16:05.23 | CHA0Xm1nd | hello all |
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| 16:05.29 | asg | takatumi: I could, however, be wrong. |
| 16:05.30 | LuPuZ | i don't know mwilson... still learning ;) |
| 16:05.30 | mwilson | LuPuZ: It's OK to admit you didn't even try. |
| 16:05.37 | LuPuZ | no i have tried |
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| 16:05.45 | takatumi | asg: :) |
| 16:05.45 | LuPuZ | but as i said must have misspelled |
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| 16:06.40 | LuPuZ | hmm... where does it place it self? i did the apt-get install openssl |
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| 16:06.49 | joel_ | LuPuZ: dpkg -L openssl |
| 16:06.54 | LuPuZ | any way to search on my harddrive? |
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| 16:07.36 | CHA0Xm1nd | i need a little help installing my ATI... im using Knoppix |
| 16:07.48 | mwilson | CHA0Xm1nd: #knoppix |
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| 16:08.33 | joel_ | LuPuZ: 'updatedb', then 'locate filename' |
| 16:09.28 | paulswm | LuPuZ: also 'find' |
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| 16:09.53 | xet | debian doesn't recognize my marvell/eth adapter it's a lanparty mb. |
| 16:09.54 | LuPuZ | i have tried find... but seems to only work for an certain number of folders |
| 16:10.27 | paulswm | LuPuZ: 'find' will search wherever you tell it to |
| 16:10.48 | mess0r | sup all |
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| 16:11.33 | gandy909 | how do I reset my console? after running 'top' the scrolling area does not reset to the entire screen |
| 16:11.43 | shakparl | try ctrl-L |
| 16:11.54 | xet | debian doesn't recognize my marvell/eth adapter it's a lanparty mb, are there any modules available for it? |
| 16:12.13 | mwilson | Uh, why wouldn't you just type 'reset'? |
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| 16:12.59 | gandy909 | wow...yet another command I did not know existed, thanks, that worked! |
| 16:13.04 | Challenged | whats the command to reconfigure xfree? |
| 16:13.11 | Gathond | mwilson: cant be, that would make sense ... must be some arcane command using 100+ chars :) |
| 16:13.45 | joel_ | Challenged: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:13.52 | Challenged | thx |
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| 16:16.39 | qbwdp | how do you disable services in debian, there is no chkconfig |
| 16:16.43 | Challenged | hmm anyone a guru with xfree confi files? ive somehow screwed up the nvidia driver install 8/ |
| 16:17.10 | mess0r | /etc/init.d/SERVICE STOP and chmod -x /etc/init.d/SERVICE |
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| 16:18.28 | Challenged | undefined device referenced by screen |
| 16:18.34 | Challenged | no screens found... |
| 16:18.40 | Challenged | !no screens found |
| 16:18.40 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 16:19.09 | Challenged | problem parsing the config file |
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| 16:19.50 | holycow | has anyone ever had problems reinstall postgres? install errors out saying: The programs "postmaster" and "psql" are needed by pg_ctl but were not found in the directory "/usr/lib/postgresql/bin". |
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| 16:20.07 | holycow | yet the two files are there? |
| 16:20.19 | jesperj | I can not get access to the scanner with xsane plugin in gimp when a normal user (root works). there are no devices listed. The user is in scanner group. any ideas? |
| 16:20.41 | jesperj | usb scanner |
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| 16:21.27 | simonrvn | @tell Challenged -about guru |
| 16:22.09 | Babbage | Challenged> You have a "Screen" section which has a "Device" line which lists a name which you don't have as the identifier of any of your Device sections in the file. |
| 16:22.26 | Babbage | @tell Babbage -about guru |
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| 16:23.59 | gandy909 | is it normal tha this process still exists 10 minutes after bootup? root 11 1 0 11:01 ? 00:00:00 /bin/sh /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 16:24.25 | gandy909 | along with a bunch of other rc2.d/S* processes? |
| 16:24.46 | Babbage | jesperj> Maybe the hotplug subsystem has not chowned the entries in /proc/bus/usb/001/*. You can do that by hand if you feel like it. |
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| 16:25.15 | Babbage | gandy909: no |
| 16:25.15 | Challenged | !libspeedo |
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| 16:25.34 | jesperj | Babbage, how? |
| 16:25.49 | Challenged | well i think ive fixed part of it now im getting libspeed symbol not found |
| 16:25.55 | Babbage | chmod go+w /proc/bus/usb/001/* |
| 16:26.02 | Babbage | jesperj: I meant chmod not chown sorryt |
| 16:26.16 | Manny | I'd like to unpack a downloaded source package (I've deleted the former source directory). What is the relevant command? |
| 16:26.20 | Babbage | Should be in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a |
| 16:26.38 | Babbage | apt-get source packagename |
| 16:27.00 | Challenged | but im just changing it in dpkg-reconfigre |
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| 16:27.23 | jesperj | Babbage, it is an epson scanner btw |
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| 16:28.33 | suifur | thats ridiculous... xbox 360 has a teraflop of calculating power... |
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| 16:31.19 | piantux | helllo everybody xan anyone tell me what is the difference betwennn "konsole" and a "terminal",thanks |
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| 16:31.37 | dan_t | hello |
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| 16:31.46 | PerfDave | piantux: that question doesn't make much sense. Konsole is an X terminal emulator. |
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| 16:31.55 | Oraculo | vixi... |
| 16:32.01 | Oraculo | Ae galera blz... |
| 16:32.19 | Challenged | think i got it nutted 8) |
| 16:32.23 | piantux | wo why there is in kde menu konsole and terminal |
| 16:32.25 | dan_t | is possible that compiling a device driver i get an error from gcc about sintax error inside /usr/include/linux/kernel.h ? |
| 16:32.27 | Oraculo | to precisando de ajuda... alguem se habilita: |
| 16:32.41 | Oraculo | Algm brasileiro... pelo amor de deus... |
| 16:32.44 | thingfish | !br |
| 16:32.44 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:32.49 | Pappa | any neat debian-apache howto? apt-get install apache installs apache in a rather wierd enviroment |
| 16:32.49 | PerfDave | piantux: Not having a KDE box handy, I couldn't tell you what a menu item called "terminal" does. |
| 16:32.54 | qbwdp | my machine was working fine yesterady, now when i boot from either of my kernels it hangs at no ipv6 routers found and sits there, what could be the issue? |
| 16:33.03 | PerfDave | Pappa: What kind of "rather weird environment"? |
| 16:33.10 | Oraculo | Pleasze, somebory speak portuguese: |
| 16:33.18 | PerfDave | !br |
| 16:33.18 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:33.18 | piantux | the same thing than a console! or x term! |
| 16:33.20 | Oraculo | ops... somebody |
| 16:33.30 | thingfish | Oraculo: so ingles aqui. Use #debian-br. |
| 16:33.32 | Pappa | PerfDave: compard to the standard source tarball |
| 16:33.35 | piantux | that's why i don't understand! |
| 16:33.39 | Oraculo | bl... valeu. |
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| 16:33.53 | Oraculo | valeu.... |
| 16:33.54 | PerfDave | Pappa: All Debian packages use the standard filesystem hierarchy. |
| 16:34.04 | Manny | piantux: maybe the "Terminal" thingie is the GNOME version of your "Konsole" |
| 16:34.16 | piantux | perhaps |
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| 16:34.38 | Freek_NL | What are the default permissions for /tmp? (I somehow f*ckedup my permissions, so normal users cannot write to /tmp anymore...) |
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| 16:34.42 | Pappa | PerfDave: i mean, everything is not where i'm used to |
| 16:34.50 | piantux | another question more problematic the often crashes of mplayer-586 in my debian! |
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| 16:35.00 | PerfDave | Pappa: It's not hard. Configuration files are in /etc/apache, everything else is listed in httpd.conf |
| 16:36.50 | npx | I think the multiple conf files thing is just to make apache2 migration easier |
| 16:37.03 | npx | you can easily have just an httpd.conf instead of access.conf modules.conf etc |
| 16:37.22 | piantux | is there another file browser if i don't install gnome(nautilus)or kde(konqueror) a gr fronted one for ion manager desktop for example? |
| 16:37.42 | npx | piantux, yeah there are plenty of standalone file managers |
| 16:37.48 | npx | I like rox (rox.sf.net) |
| 16:37.48 | qbwdp | to boot into single user mode, is the option just 1 at the boot prompt |
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| 16:37.54 | npx | gentoo is another good iflemanager |
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| 16:38.02 | npx | I use gentoo on windows, actually =) |
| 16:38.02 | piantux | for example? |
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| 16:38.25 | npx | riflemanager! |
| 16:38.42 | piantux | thanks |
| 16:38.45 | Freek_NL | hi all, how do you talk to the all_knowing apt bot again (about permissions in the /tmp) ? |
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| 16:39.02 | npx | paintux, If you've got a slow machine, rox + fluxbox is highly recommended |
| 16:39.05 | bowman | heya. I would like to disable access to all other dirs except the homedir for people coming in via SSH. is that possible? |
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| 16:39.27 | ignatz | bowman : chroot |
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| 16:39.51 | thomas_adam | ignatz: Nope. |
| 16:39.58 | thomas_adam | ignatz: bowman: /msg dpkg ssh chroot |
| 16:40.06 | alge_ | XFCE4...from xfld-desktop is a nice small footprint desktop env too |
| 16:40.11 | npx | Freek_NL, I mount /tmp as nosuid noexec when I'm feeling paranoid |
| 16:40.36 | thingfish | Freak: do /msg <botname> and talk in private. |
| 16:40.39 | leo | Sometime when I install a new software it doesn't appear in GNOME app menu nor the Debian menu, so I don't know how to launch the program. How can I go round this problem for a generic new program? |
| 16:40.42 | bowman | chroot won't do the trick because I'd have to duplicate binaries like bash and ilbs etc. |
| 16:40.50 | bowman | thomas_adam: thanks, ignatz thanks too :) |
| 16:40.52 | npx | someone in here had a really well-considered argument against nosuid/noexec, but I can't remember what it was |
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| 16:41.01 | piantux | is it possible to change the fs type (reiserfs ->ext3) without erasing homedata |
| 16:41.08 | thingfish | Freak: actually /msg <botname> <subject> |
| 16:41.09 | thomas_adam | bowman: You could try 'rbash'... |
| 16:41.20 | npx | piantux, no, you can't do that unfortunately |
| 16:41.22 | Freek_NL | npx: ok, but the system should first reckogize the /tmp as tmpfs right? (for example, the files in my /tmp folder remain over reboots..) |
| 16:41.37 | piantux | what is the command?please |
| 16:42.04 | SuperSox | Hi, I'm having problems with pppd, following the instructions from here: http://www.crazygreek.co.uk/content/vodagprs I get errors about being unable to find a suitable password etc - if I use the 'noauth' option it just fails silently, has anyone any suggestions? |
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| 16:42.36 | Freek_NL | paintux: youll need a backup first anyways (just in case), so you could also just copy over the data to tape, dvd, other hd or whatever |
| 16:42.45 | paulswm | piantux: You need to copy the data somewhere else, make the new filesystem, then copy the data back |
| 16:42.46 | npx | SuperSox, are you specifying an appropriate string to reply to in your chat file? |
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| 16:42.58 | omgs | re: |
| 16:43.09 | npx | SuperSox, when in doubt, you can use kermit to dial the number manually and see what the username and password strings are (it may be something oddball) |
| 16:43.13 | omgs | it seems to me that hdparm doesn't install by default? |
| 16:43.14 | mozez | hey guys ... is it usually the case that a router has a switch built-in? |
| 16:43.15 | piantux | of course but it was just a curiosity |
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| 16:43.26 | SuperSox | npx: I'm not sure what you mean - I'm following the instructions on that site to the letter |
| 16:43.30 | npx | piantux, the exception is ext2 o ext3 |
| 16:43.39 | npx | the site is still loading for me, sox, 1 sec |
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| 16:43.53 | piantux | interesting ! |
| 16:43.56 | SuperSox | npx: its not the remote server that is denying my password |
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| 16:44.31 | npx | okay SuperSox, that chatscript doesn't handle the authentication process at all |
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| 16:44.38 | npx | What you want to do is run 'pppsetup' |
| 16:44.40 | piantux | according to you what is the fastest filesystem for a / partition? |
| 16:44.43 | npx | let me know when you're finished |
| 16:44.56 | SuperSox | npx: ok |
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| 16:45.00 | npx | piantux, all revolves around your usage patterns, there is no one 'best filesystem' |
| 16:45.12 | SuperSox | npx: command not found :( |
| 16:45.12 | romulo | hi, im using 2.6.11 from sources and i want to patch it with new modifications, do i need to patch each file on the mirror ( like patch-2.6.11-1, -2, -3) or i can only use patch -9 wich is the latest? |
| 16:45.15 | piantux | a fast one? |
| 16:45.27 | piantux | comparing to others |
| 16:45.31 | npx | SuperSox, type 'ppp<tab>' at the console |
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| 16:45.39 | npx | there should be a pppconfig or pppsetup program |
| 16:45.54 | npx | (assuming you're logged in as root, cuz I think they're in sbin...) |
| 16:45.58 | piantux | is jfs faster than reiserfs or ext3 |
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| 16:46.05 | SuperSox | ah yeah, pppconfig |
| 16:46.19 | npx | ok that's the one |
| 16:46.29 | qbwdp | which service is ipv6 in /etc/init.d |
| 16:46.37 | dinet | I'm trying to upgrade a debian box with linux-2.2.20 to use linux-2.6.11 but with 2.6.11 it wont mount my root |
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| 16:47.18 | Xinux[Away] | OMG MY CD DRIVE JUST BLEW UP |
| 16:47.20 | romulo | dinet, make sure u left on the support for your partition type |
| 16:47.25 | Xinux[Away] | WTF!!! |
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| 16:47.40 | dinet | romulo: ext2 and 3 are both enabled |
| 16:47.45 | Xinux[Away] | !wtf |
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| 16:47.53 | romulo | uh so i dunno, have ud ownloaded the kernel tools? |
| 16:47.53 | holycow | is it smoking? |
| 16:47.56 | romulo | and mount tools |
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| 16:47.58 | holycow | please say there is fire involved |
| 16:48.06 | Xinux[Away] | no i was joking |
| 16:48.06 | mozez | hey guys ... is it usually the case that a router has a switch built-in? |
| 16:48.07 | Xinux[Away] | bye |
| 16:48.07 | abdullah | how to get kde3.4 files |
| 16:48.08 | Xinux[Away] | lol |
| 16:48.09 | romulo | to patch the kernel do i need only the latest patch or all patches? |
| 16:48.18 | SuperSox | npx: going through it just now - I should point out its a gprs card rather than a standard modem ;) |
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| 16:48.32 | holycow | mozez, for consumer grade products yes |
| 16:48.49 | npx | SuperSox, you intend to use it to dial up to the internet? |
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| 16:49.13 | npx | or, I should say, to create a PPP connection? |
| 16:49.16 | SuperSox | npx: uhm, yeah kind of, but obviously using the sim card providers isp |
| 16:49.19 | SuperSox | yeah |
| 16:49.28 | npx | okay same shit then |
| 16:49.40 | SuperSox | just waiting while it probes for modems |
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| 16:49.46 | abdullah | how to get kde3.4 files/???????????? |
| 16:49.46 | npx | ok, im gonna go get beer |
| 16:49.50 | npx | brb |
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| 16:50.25 | YaleR | whats the name of that time program? network time protocol was it? |
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| 16:50.36 | _SerhaT_ | ntp ? |
| 16:50.44 | YaleR | heh. |
| 16:50.48 | RvGaTe | I am wondering if its possible to make an automatic backup every 12 hours of any shared folder in the local network? |
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| 16:50.50 | dinet | YaleR: ntd/ntpdate and rdate |
| 16:51.44 | npx | hey, any AT command set gurus here? 'OK' 'ATD*99***1#' is this supposed to be a censored ATDT or ATDP command, but typoed, or is ATD a command? |
| 16:51.59 | SuperSox | npx: after running it and then "pon vodafone" failed without error |
| 16:52.00 | Freek_NL | npx: man minicom |
| 16:52.08 | alge_ | RvGaTe: do you mean to another box on the LAN |
| 16:52.24 | RvGaTe | alge_: yes |
| 16:52.26 | npx | SuperSox, okay, cd /etc/chatscripts, nano provider |
| 16:52.36 | SuperSox | nano? :P |
| 16:52.38 | npx | whatever |
| 16:53.02 | Freek_NL | would anyone want to check his/her /tmp permissions and message the output to me? (removed the /tmp folder and need to restore permissions..) thanks |
| 16:53.04 | npx | okay, you see the ATZ command in there? |
| 16:53.08 | alge_ | simplest way I know would be to install ssh and run a scp from cron |
| 16:53.15 | SuperSox | yeah |
| 16:53.41 | npx | okay, now, you see the CONNECT command? paste everything from the example, from ATZ to CONNECT, in there |
| 16:53.42 | alge_ | RvGaTe: makesure you set up the ssh_keys |
| 16:53.59 | RvGaTe | alge_ ? |
| 16:54.04 | sparr_w | host gluck.debian.org [192.25.206.10]: 550 rejected:cannot route to sender <root@shaggy.minc> |
| 16:54.05 | alge_ | RvGaTe: so you don't have to deal with passwords on the other system |
| 16:54.05 | npx | if there's anything BEFORE CONNECT, leave it before connect in the same order prior to pasting. got it? |
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| 16:54.16 | abdullah | i try/msg dpkg kde3.4 but no answer |
| 16:54.18 | sparr_w | do I have to have a "real" domain name to submit popularity contest data?? |
| 16:54.21 | green_earz | RvGaTe: rsync may be what you looking for ? |
| 16:54.24 | SuperSox | npx: sorry dude, I'm gonna have to go afk for a bit |
| 16:54.25 | RvGaTe | alge_: the other systems are windows |
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| 16:54.31 | alge_ | RvGaTe: have you ever used ssh? |
| 16:54.39 | alge_ | Ohh... |
| 16:54.49 | RvGaTe | alge_: yes, i only do ssh |
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| 16:55.08 | alge_ | well looks like you could do the same thing samba |
| 16:55.25 | chealer | Saudi-Linux: #debian-kde |
| 16:55.32 | alge_ | or there is an w32 version of openssh out ther |
| 16:55.36 | Flammifer | Er, does someone know if it's possible to tell a computer to spontaneously boot up at a given time ? |
| 16:55.48 | dinet | Flammifer: yes |
| 16:55.50 | Flammifer | (I'd imagine maybe something with the BIOS) |
| 16:55.57 | dinet | Flammifer: look in your bios-setup |
| 16:56.01 | SuperSox | Flammifer: if your motherboard/nic supports boot-on-lan yes |
| 16:56.11 | SuperSox | well, if by given time you mean on demand |
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| 16:56.18 | alge_ | I've also herd good things abou the backup prog bacula...I think it is |
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| 16:56.37 | alge_ | I think it'll do a windoz box |
| 16:56.37 | Flammifer | I mean more as an alarm-clock kind of thing :) (tho network can do that too) |
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| 16:56.52 | alge_ | someone correct me if i'm wrong |
| 16:56.55 | RvGaTe | alge_: isn't it possible to just share the folder in windows, and make the server grab a copy of the files in there? (i got samba installed) |
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| 16:57.53 | amd | what's the difference between xwine and winetools? |
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| 16:58.01 | HelmutG | hi. can someone tell me how rsync synchronizes large files (with --inplace) assuming that they do not differ insize? |
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| 16:58.57 | hcy | hi guys, to check a burned dvd to make sure it's identical to the iso it was supposedly burned from, i do "md5sum /dev/hdc > foo1", "md5sum image.iso > foo2" , then make sure foo1 is identical to foo2, correct? |
| 16:59.04 | alge_ | RvGaTe: sure if your using samba |
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| 16:59.18 | justin | hcy: cmp /dev/hdc image.iso |
| 16:59.19 | RvGaTe | but how :) |
| 16:59.47 | hcy | justin: thanks, didn't know about cmp |
| 17:00.06 | alge_ | you'll need to mount the smb share |
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| 17:00.34 | hcy | justin: would the md5sum way work as well? i guess it'll take twice as long? |
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| 17:00.56 | alge_ | RvGaTe: mount -t smbffs |
| 17:01.08 | Nya | Howdy folks |
| 17:01.12 | alge_ | smbfs .... sorry |
| 17:01.18 | justin | hcy: cmp is the better command |
| 17:01.26 | hcy | justin: ok great, thanks |
| 17:01.42 | hcy | you learn something new every other day :) |
| 17:01.56 | alge_ | RvGaTe: but I hate this cuase you'll need to pass a user and password ...I forget the syntax now but.. |
| 17:01.57 | Nya | Hm can anyone tell me whether there is a way to manually set a package status via dpkg ? |
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| 17:02.10 | samuel | sup all |
| 17:02.13 | kokoko1 | the best way to compile a kernel on debian? |
| 17:02.29 | kokoko1 | the tradition way "make menuconfig" ... or debian way? |
| 17:02.34 | samuel | can anyone tell me what format the mail in var/spool/mail is? is it mbox? |
| 17:02.43 | hcy | kokoko1: i'm sorry, you need to phrase that in the form of a question |
| 17:02.59 | alge_ | RvGaTe: and also it's all on the wire in the clear..if that matters to you? |
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| 17:03.12 | hcy | and now it's time for double jeopardy |
| 17:03.25 | RvGaTe | alge_: dont know what you mean by that |
| 17:03.33 | kokoko1 | hcy, I just installed debian , coming from slackware background want to know is kernel compilation is the same on debian? |
| 17:03.41 | kokoko1 | damn it |
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| 17:04.07 | amd | how do I know whether DMA is enabled or not? |
| 17:04.10 | azbear1 | how do you add another local say adding german to and english configured system |
| 17:04.39 | green_earz | hcy: hava look at using dd and isoinfo to take the correct size image off the drive |
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| 17:04.43 | alge_ | RvGaTe: You will mount the remotemachine_share on your local filesystem in order to access the files you want to copy |
| 17:04.46 | Nya | arca, "hdparm -d /dev/hda |
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| 17:05.46 | BinaryX | amd, how do you know if it's not turned on? |
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| 17:06.06 | leo | Sometime when I install a new software it doesn't appear in GNOME app menu nor the Debian menu, so I don't know how to launch the program. How can I go round this problem for a generic new program? |
| 17:06.07 | BinaryX | j/k :P |
| 17:06.14 | amd | i don't know, lol. i'm asking how i can find out. |
| 17:06.25 | daffy-pkf | shouldn't my /usr/X11R6/bin/X be a simlink to Xorg OR XFree86? |
| 17:06.26 | Nya | amd, hdparm -d /dev/hda |
| 17:06.48 | amd | thank you Nya |
| 17:06.53 | azbear1 | i want to switch between english and german how dod I add another local |
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| 17:07.15 | AeSSeD | anyone have a abit an8 fatality with lmsensors ? |
| 17:07.18 | amd | is there a defrag utility ? |
| 17:07.20 | karlnk | Hi, how do i manually prepare the file system before i select "install base system" in the debian installer, i.e. skip the partitioning? |
| 17:07.40 | Nya | amd, what filesystem are you using? Standard *nix filesystems generally do not clutter as much to warrant a defrag |
| 17:07.55 | crashbg | why my xchat, mc and licq are in my native language rather than english? |
| 17:08.02 | hingwah | !tell kokoko1 about make-kpkg |
| 17:08.03 | amd | i'm using ext3 |
| 17:08.04 | crashbg | how to fix this |
| 17:08.09 | amd | and a swap |
| 17:08.11 | BinaryX | nya aren't they contiguous? |
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| 17:08.52 | Nya | amd, wont need a defrag then, at least from my experience |
| 17:08.56 | Nya | BinaryX, come again? |
| 17:08.57 | alge_ | RvGaTe:I've done scripted backups with swamba...and I would strongly suggest that you invest the time in learning/ confiuring a "Backup" software which is capable to do what you want |
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| 17:09.13 | amd | ok ty and by |
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| 17:09.37 | BinaryX | aren't linux filesystems contiguous? |
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| 17:09.41 | crashbg | i've installed console-cyrillic and reconfigured locales but nothing more |
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| 17:09.53 | crashbg | i don't have language-env |
| 17:10.13 | Nya | thats why they dont need a defrag ;) |
| 17:10.24 | alge_ | RvGaTe:don't get me wrong...it CAN be done....but the question you should ask yourself is that the best way to spend the least of YOUR time woking on a backup solution... |
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| 17:10.38 | Nya | So, anyone know how to manually set a package to "i" (installed) via dpkg? |
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| 17:11.07 | BinaryX | why would you do that Nya? |
| 17:11.10 | azbear1 | So do I have to do another install, but pick german instead of english or can I just add german |
| 17:11.17 | BinaryX | i mean set it to i ? |
| 17:11.28 | crashbg | dpkg -i asdasd.deb ? |
| 17:11.33 | green_earz | hcy: have look at http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm#_Accurately_Reading_a_CD for isoinfo and dd |
| 17:11.40 | Nya | dpkg is exiting with 1 because it invokes the init script of a service with the wrong parameter |
| 17:11.59 | gravity | Nya: You should fix the package then |
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| 17:12.07 | gravity | Nya: Or get the maintainer to do it |
| 17:12.09 | Nya | hmm wait, I could rewrite the inti script :P |
| 17:12.25 | gravity | Nya: Is this a Debian package or one of your own? |
| 17:12.27 | daffy-pkf | shouldn't my /usr/X11R6/bin/X be a simlink to Xorg OR XFree86? i just a yes or a no... |
| 17:12.41 | Nya | gravity, a backport package.. openvpn.. |
| 17:12.43 | gravity | daffy-pkf: No |
| 17:12.44 | daffy-pkf | (just need) |
| 17:12.52 | daffy-pkf | gravity> thanks |
| 17:13.05 | gravity | daffy-pkf: At least... I think no. Not entirely sure now |
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| 17:13.15 | gravity | Nya: Contact the guy who backported it |
| 17:13.16 | daffy-pkf | hmmmm |
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| 17:13.28 | gravity | daffy-pkf: Oh wait, never mind. No, at least not in unstable or testing. |
| 17:13.30 | gravity | Not sure about woody |
| 17:13.36 | daffy-pkf | ok |
| 17:13.46 | daffy-pkf | i'm in sid |
| 17:14.14 | daffy-pkf | so... lets try it... |
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| 17:15.42 | PheonexBueller | daffy-pkf: Mine isn't |
| 17:16.15 | daffy-pkf | PheonexBueller> ok it's good, just restarted X and everything seems fine... |
| 17:16.26 | Nya | Well, that worked. I wonder how I could best contact the backport maintainer tho. |
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| 17:16.57 | PheonexBueller | daffy-pkf: You manually started X by running yer /usr/X11R6/bin/X ? |
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| 17:18.13 | gravity | That wouldn't work so well |
| 17:18.19 | creature | Hi dudes. I've just switched to Sarge, and as a result changed from lilo to grub. How do I get my nice framebuffered consoles back? In lilo.conf I had a "vga=0x315" entry, but I can't see anything similar in /boot/grub/. |
| 17:18.33 | kokoko1 | which package to install for ncurses? |
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| 17:18.49 | kokoko1 | make menuconfig not worken |
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| 17:18.58 | PheonexBueller | I'm skeptical. IMHO you're asking for grief. Is something wring with yer startx script? |
| 17:19.02 | creature | kokoko1 - You need libncurses5-dev and libncurses5. |
| 17:19.02 | Nya | kokoko1, you need ncurses-dev too |
| 17:19.10 | Nya | yep, that heh creature is right |
| 17:19.17 | kokoko1 | oki thanks |
| 17:19.21 | creature | Heh, I was doing that about 30 minutes ago. :) |
| 17:20.00 | karlnk | i have already created the partitions, but partman does not see them, and the debian installer won't skip the partition step. Is there a simple fix? |
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| 17:22.03 | bushk | anybody here have any experience with jaimlib? |
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| 17:22.25 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 17:22.51 | bushk | howdy |
| 17:23.02 | Freek_NL | ? |
| 17:23.06 | Freek_NL | help |
| 17:23.14 | kokoko1 | later all , |
| 17:23.35 | Cope | ok... so what's wrong with the line: option option-150 code 150 = text ; in my dhcpd.conf? I've read (in several places) this is the option to allow one to pass a config file to grub, but I don't see the option in the man page, and it throws an error when I restart dhcpd. |
| 17:23.36 | daffy-pkf | PheonexBueller> no, i exited it, and run startx again to see if everything was ok, the thing you're not informed of is that i installed the dri-trunk packages, and they use Xorg, but my last upgrade upgraded xserver-xfree86, so i wasn't sure of my x installation state... |
| 17:23.38 | Aronofsky | got a pb with my keyboard config, lower and greater symbol don't work, i think i should reconfigure xfree86 but what type of keyboard ( now im on pc104 ) |
| 17:23.44 | defkewl | anybody use vsftpd here? |
| 17:23.51 | Aronofsky | defkewl, i ma |
| 17:23.57 | Aronofsky | defkewl, i am |
| 17:24.00 | Cope | May 15 18:16:06 kotov dhcpd: /etc/dhcpd.conf line 4: expecting string or hexadecimal data. |
| 17:24.03 | Cope | May 15 18:16:06 kotov dhcpd: option option-150 code |
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| 17:24.28 | defkewl | when I upload to FTP server, by default the permission is -rw------- |
| 17:24.46 | defkewl | How do I make it by default to -rw-r--r-- ? |
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| 17:25.12 | Aronofsky | defkewl, i think you can specify umask for upload |
| 17:25.25 | PheonexBueller | daffy-pkf: You probably have both by now. I know I have XF86_SVGA & XFree86 installed. Which one actually gets run would be a question.. |
| 17:25.28 | defkewl | Aronofsky: how is that? |
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| 17:25.49 | creature | C'mon, one of you must be on framebuffered consoles. :( |
| 17:25.54 | defkewl | local_umask? |
| 17:26.08 | PheonexBueller | defkewl: just chmod the perms after the file has been uploaded |
| 17:26.28 | daffy-pkf | PheonexBueller> yes both xorg and xfree86 are installed, but my /usr/X11R6/bin/x is Xorg... so everything is fine |
| 17:26.29 | Aronofsky | defkewl, for exemple, or anon , it depends on your config |
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| 17:26.49 | Aronofsky | anyone about my keyboard config |
| 17:27.05 | PheonexBueller | creature: No, I didn't like the drunken penguin taking up the corner of the console and disabled all the fb stuff I could find. MAKE IT GO AWAY! |
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| 17:27.19 | takatumi | creature: try vga=791 (or similar) in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:27.32 | creature | PheonexBueller - I can live without the penguin, but 80x24 on a 17" monitor is nasty. |
| 17:27.44 | PheonexBueller | daffy-pkf: So, do you have a symlink, or an executable? |
| 17:27.45 | defkewl | Aronofsky: what is the parameter in the config? |
| 17:27.55 | defkewl | I don't think it is listed |
| 17:27.57 | alex__ | I have a IBM xSeries 335-8676 with a RAID 1-HardWare. I am trying to know how can I get information or control the Hardware in general of the machine, such as the RAID of course but the fans, the temperature of the CPU,etc... On the IBM site everything points to Mandrake or Suse but nothing on debian, can somebody direct me ? |
| 17:28.00 | takatumi | 17" try 795 or higher probably. |
| 17:28.07 | daffy-pkf | PheonexBueller> it an exe |
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| 17:28.17 | defkewl | PheonexBueller: if uploading 1 file that won't be a problem :D |
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| 17:28.27 | PheonexBueller | creature: OK you _will_ have to set vga=extended, somehow. |
| 17:28.37 | creature | Do I want 795 or 0x305? ie. hex or decimal? |
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| 17:28.54 | koollman | creature: in doubt, use decimal |
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| 17:29.12 | creature | PheonexBueller - I had a "vga=0x305" in my old lilo.conf and I just want to port that setting over. |
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| 17:29.45 | PheonexBueller | Prolly does not matter. No, wait - they're NOT the same number! I've used 9.. |
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| 17:30.01 | rubenl | i didnt think it matters |
| 17:30.16 | takatumi | creature: try 'em both, decimal works here, 0x317 used to work as well, didn't work with the early 2.6.0, haven |
| 17:30.21 | PheonexBueller | Surely grub will do this _somehow_. If not, ditch it and stick with lilo |
| 17:30.29 | cbr | update-rc.d discover defaults |
| 17:30.30 | takatumi | 't tried it after. |
| 17:30.31 | cbr | is this ok? |
| 17:30.42 | Aronofsky | there must be someone that can tell me the type of keyboard , please look at your config |
| 17:30.52 | alex__ | anyone ? |
| 17:30.57 | creature | I use pc104, I think, Aronofsky. |
| 17:31.11 | Aronofsky | creature, and those keys are working ? |
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| 17:31.30 | daffy-pkf | Aronofsky> mine is pc105... depends YOUR keyboard... |
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| 17:31.46 | rubenl | i've used pc104 & 105 and they work both for me |
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| 17:32.13 | daffy-pkf | Aronofsky> anyway i had lot of troubles with my keyboard... so i did my keymap myself |
| 17:32.21 | creature | Aronofsky - I don't know, I haven't got to the point where I start x on this install yet. |
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| 17:32.58 | defkewl | Rapp: do you study in rwth? |
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| 17:33.17 | nite613 | Is there a fairly similar alternative to growisofs for multisession DVD writting? |
| 17:33.21 | alex__ | what package for interfacing with RAID 1 hardware ? |
| 17:33.43 | daffy-pkf | nite613> as far as i know... no |
| 17:33.48 | simonrvn | @tell alex__ -about search |
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| 17:34.51 | nite613 | daffy-pkf: I get this problem after a bunch of sessions (maybe 18-20 sessions, disk 50% full) where it reports "seek error". Happens on multiple disks and seems to be a known problem :( |
| 17:35.00 | defkewl | is there any other ftp server that by default chmod 755 the file that's uploaded besides vsftp? |
| 17:35.05 | nite613 | looking for an alternative |
| 17:35.09 | defkewl | this is seems to be anoying |
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| 17:35.15 | creature | Do I have to tell grub to write its new settings to the HD? |
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| 17:35.47 | daffy-pkf | nite613> sorry i won't be able to help you since i'm not the one who actually write dvds... i only installed debian on guy's computer |
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| 17:35.55 | mrplum | I am trying to download packages after I installed dpkg-sigs and debsigs-verify. Should I expect packages in testing/unstable to be signed? Keep getting can't verify errors |
| 17:36.06 | nite613 | daffy-pkf: thanks anyways |
| 17:36.11 | daffy-pkf | nite613> (on THAT guy's computer) |
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| 17:37.10 | daffy-pkf | c u later all, i'm afk |
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| 17:37.58 | Rapp | does anyone know how to use submount and UDF together? because putting in a UDF formatted DVD, it will have uid 0. and not the uid of the user that "mounts" the medium... |
| 17:38.06 | BinaryX | you wouldn't get far if we all responded |
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| 17:40.00 | coywolf | how to count how many files a directory contains? |
| 17:40.14 | Rapp | coywolf: ls | wc -l |
| 17:40.27 | koollman | coywolf: find /path/to/directory | wc -l |
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| 17:40.40 | giupy | how can i know wich resolution i am using ? |
| 17:41.25 | Rapp | xdpyinfo | grep dimensions |
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| 17:41.32 | Rapp | that was for giupy |
| 17:41.38 | giupy | i try thanks |
| 17:41.54 | giupy | well really thanks |
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| 17:42.06 | coywolf | Rapp, koollman i think it should be wc -w |
| 17:42.23 | koollman | coywolf: no |
| 17:42.25 | Rapp | coywolf: um... no |
| 17:42.28 | koollman | coywolf: try, you'll see |
| 17:42.29 | Rapp | every file on a single line |
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| 17:42.41 | Rapp | otherwise if you've got files with spaces -> wc -w counts too many |
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| 17:43.11 | Rapp | resiak: that is sick... |
| 17:43.15 | koollman | resiak: it's ugly |
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| 17:43.33 | resiak | Rapp, koollman: It is, never-the-less, true. |
| 17:43.35 | Rapp | so... anyone using UDF and submount? :-) or what is the next best DVD-RAM filesystem??? |
| 17:43.40 | koollman | resiak: I know |
| 17:43.52 | Rapp | resiak: yes, but something that should probably not be allowed... |
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| 17:44.41 | coywolf | Rapp, koollman thanks |
| 17:44.43 | resiak | koollman, Rapp: So you should probably use find /foo -print 'bar\n' | wc -l |
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| 17:45.18 | Rapp | resiak: yeah... probably... or write a small c-program that counts them :) |
| 17:45.24 | giupy | wich prog like xmule in sarge is there ? |
| 17:45.52 | piantux | is it possible own ip@ (the one given by the provider ,not local one beginning with 192.168....)thanks |
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| 17:46.01 | koollman | giupy: amule, mldonkey, ... |
| 17:46.02 | piantux | to change sorry |
| 17:46.05 | resiak | Rapp: It's a one-liner in Perl. |
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| 17:46.18 | Rapp | resiak: perl??? bleah... |
| 17:46.23 | giupy | amule there isn't aptcahe can't find it, i try mldonkey |
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| 17:46.30 | leo | who controls the bot dpkg? he isn't very didactic.. |
| 17:46.35 | resiak | !who owns you |
| 17:46.35 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 17:46.42 | resiak | !dict didactic |
| 17:46.44 | dpkg | Dictionary 'didactic' (2): Didactic \Di*dac"tic\, Didactical \Di*dac"tic*al\, a. [Gr. ?, fr. ? to teach; akin to L. docere to teach: cf. F. didactique. See Docile.] Fitted or intended to teach; conveying instruction; preceptive; instructive; teaching some moral lesson; as, didactic essays. ``Didactical writings.'' --Jer. Taylor. ;; The finest didactic poem in any language. --Macaulay.. |
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| 17:47.09 | resiak | leo: What is wrong with him? |
| 17:47.46 | giupy | only kmldonkey mmm i think i miss some mirrors in my sources.list... |
| 17:48.11 | hac | With the Dri driver,How I Can enable the agp 4x? |
| 17:48.12 | resiak | giupy: Paste your sources.list into #flood ? |
| 17:48.17 | piantux | is it possibe to change owg ip@ (not LAN 's one)the one which is behind a router |
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| 17:48.23 | giupy | i go |
| 17:48.28 | resiak | piantux: Well, not if the ISP assigns it. |
| 17:48.42 | piantux | freebox exactjly |
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| 17:49.31 | giupy | resiak made |
| 17:49.32 | resiak | giupy: Looks fine. |
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| 17:49.48 | resiak | giupy: apt-cache search donkey |
| 17:49.48 | giupy | but i don't have amule :( |
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| 17:49.55 | giupy | oh i try |
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| 17:50.03 | grogoreo | ‹ Hi ! › |
| 17:50.13 | leo | resiak: Usually we want him to give an explanation about something, instead of he says where to get some package or make a joke |
| 17:50.39 | grogoreo | I've just installed an old Debian version on an Thlon 2400 and it cant start GDM or the X Server. |
| 17:50.51 | giupy | resiak nothing |
| 17:50.58 | giupy | a calculator and kmldonkey |
| 17:51.02 | resiak | giupy: Maybe they're only in Unstable. |
| 17:51.08 | resiak | leo: Example please? |
| 17:51.18 | giupy | i'm on sarge |
| 17:51.21 | resiak | giupy: Yes, I know. |
| 17:51.31 | resiak | giupy: Maybe they're only in Sifd. |
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| 17:51.50 | leo | resiak: >leo< ffmpeg >dpkg< Get ffmpeg from the same place you get mplayer |
| 17:51.58 | giupy | k |
| 17:52.14 | resiak | leo: That strikes me as useful information. |
| 17:52.22 | creature | OK, since recompiling my kernel my HD is refusing to use DMA - "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted". Chances are I've forgotten to enable something in my kernel. Anyone got any ideas what? |
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| 17:52.36 | resiak | Why did you build your own kernel? |
| 17:52.51 | creature | Because the chicks dig it. |
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| 17:53.34 | chealer | what does that mean? |
| 17:53.53 | abrotman | apparently chickens get shovels and dig his kernel |
| 17:53.56 | creature | "Because the women like it". |
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| 17:54.20 | green_earz | creature: do you use make oldconfig ? |
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| 17:54.27 | resiak | abrotman: You see, creature confirms it! I'm doing what's necessary to get lots of hawt uni chix0rz! |
| 17:54.36 | piantux | anyone have an idea of the female quote linux-debian users |
| 17:54.40 | creature | Not in this case, as there was no oldconfig to make. |
| 17:54.40 | abrotman | "Hey baby .. wanna see my kernel" |
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| 17:54.45 | piantux | a percent |
| 17:54.52 | abrotman | creature: you had no kernel before ? |
| 17:55.12 | resiak | "Oh, Alex! Your kernel's monolithic!" |
| 17:55.22 | abrotman | piantux: there is a debian-women group |
| 17:55.28 | creature | Only the stock Debian Sarge kernel, and trying to get the latest 2.6 kernel to read the 2.4 config seemed like a bad idea. |
| 17:55.35 | abrotman | resiak: "Sorry .. I'm a modular kind of girl" |
| 17:55.43 | green_earz | creature: cp the config in boot to /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 17:55.44 | resiak | creature: What's wrong with kernel-image-2.6.8-2 ? |
| 17:55.45 | creature | And I don't think I had the kernel sources installed, so possibly no kernel. |
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| 17:55.55 | resiak | creature: What's wrong with kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ? |
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| 17:56.03 | abrotman | creature: why did you compile your own kernel again ? |
| 17:56.06 | resiak | abrotman: "Can I look at your modules?" |
| 17:56.12 | simonrvn | just because you had no source tree doesn't mean you didn't have a kernel installed |
| 17:56.24 | abrotman | resiak: "Oh .. I hope my modules are clean" |
| 17:56.40 | resiak | abrotman: "Let's modprobe them and see..." |
| 17:56.41 | creature | simonrvn - I know this. I would not necessarily expect to have a .config without the source tree, though. |
| 17:56.42 | nathan | i got a question, why is it that KDE under Debian is *so* much faster than OSX 10.3 on the same machine... G3 450 w/ 384mb of ram? |
| 17:56.47 | resiak | abrotman: "YOU TAINTED MY KERNEL!" |
| 17:57.03 | creature | resiak - I just prefer compiling my own kernel. I learn more and hopefully it will be more suited to my machine. |
| 17:57.10 | simonrvn | creature: why not? there's probably one or more in /boot already from the debian kernel(s) |
| 17:57.12 | abrotman | resiak: "It's ok baby .. I'm open source .. I'll be around forever" |
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| 17:57.24 | abrotman | creature: apparently you didn't learn enough :) |
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| 17:57.42 | abrotman | nathan: osx is a hog ? |
| 17:57.46 | resiak | creature: Install a Debian image of the kernel version you want, and start from its .config. |
| 17:57.54 | piantux | thanks everybody for your help like everyday and long life to debian and pinguino overall |
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| 17:58.29 | asuffield | creature: and what have you learned so far, aside from a creative way to break a box? |
| 17:58.37 | nathan | abrotman, THAT much of a hog? OSX is sluggish running the same apps (firefox, thunderbird, etc)... KDE is a hog yet runs the same apps very quickly |
| 17:58.39 | abrotman | hdparm sucks ? |
| 17:58.48 | simonrvn | asuffield: make it break harder than otherwise possible? |
| 17:58.48 | creature | simonrvn - Possibly, but I didn't have a 2.6 kernel on here before. |
| 17:58.53 | abrotman | nathan: i don't run OSX .. you'd have to ask #debianppc maybe .. they might have an idea |
| 17:59.01 | creature | asuffield - Plenty, thank you. And my box is not broken, it is just lacking DMA. |
| 17:59.08 | abrotman | sounds broken |
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| 17:59.10 | asuffield | that's pretty much broken |
| 17:59.11 | abrotman | !dict broken |
| 17:59.16 | dpkg | Dictionary 'broken' (3 of 76): 10. Imperfectly spoken, as by a foreigner; as, broken English; imperfectly spoken on account of emotion; as, to say a few broken words at parting. ;; 11. To weaken or impair, as health, spirit, or mind. ;; 3. To lay open, as a purpose; to disclose, divulge, or communicate.. |
| 17:59.21 | simonrvn | ohnoz |
| 17:59.22 | abrotman | oh . cute |
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| 17:59.23 | asuffield | and whatever 'plenty' is, I bet it's not worth knowing |
| 17:59.24 | creature | It's working, but suboptimally. |
| 17:59.34 | abrotman | sounds broken |
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| 17:59.40 | nathan | creature, sounds broken to me |
| 17:59.43 | cbr | does discover need to be in rcS ? |
| 17:59.44 | grogoreo | I have installed Debian Woody RC0 on an Athlon 2400 with a nVidia GF2 440. When I start debian it fails to start X because there isnt an available screen. |
| 17:59.52 | abrotman | cbr: did you remove it ? |
| 17:59.53 | resiak | !no screens found |
| 17:59.53 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 17:59.59 | creature | Would you all stop trying to bait me and just offer me some help? |
| 18:00.04 | resiak | !tell grogoreo about woody hardware support |
| 18:00.04 | cbr | abrotman: it's just a question ;) |
| 18:00.06 | astronut | anyone have any experience with the 'dansguardian' web content filtering tool? |
| 18:00.06 | green_earz | creature: and use the --initrd with the kernel compile |
| 18:00.07 | resiak | creature: I did. |
| 18:00.09 | asuffield | you've had it, you refused to take it |
| 18:00.15 | abrotman | creature: we did .. install a debian kernel .. start with its /boot/config-blah |
| 18:00.16 | resiak | !tell grogoreo about d-i |
| 18:00.23 | abrotman | !tell creature about kp |
| 18:00.34 | nathan | creature, youve been offered help, expect the baiting to continue |
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| 18:00.44 | creature | asuffield - because it's not answering the question asked. |
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| 18:00.52 | green_earz | creature: so --initrd and make oldconfig are your friends |
| 18:00.53 | creature | abrotman - I used make-kpkg, thank you. |
| 18:01.05 | grogoreo | if i were to do a dist upgrade will that be better? |
| 18:01.12 | abrotman | creature: you obviously missed an option when compiling your kernel .. lose a turn .. roll again |
| 18:01.17 | resiak | grogoreo: You want to run Sarge. Trust us. |
| 18:01.23 | asuffield | yes, we correct questions as well, rather than simply answering the stupid ones |
| 18:02.02 | abrotman | creature: and if you want to know which option oyu missed .. #kernel might be a better place to ask |
| 18:02.07 | grogoreo | I did a dist upgrade on ubuntu, will it be near enough the same for Debian to go to sarge? |
| 18:02.11 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 18:02.11 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story" |
| 18:02.16 | Jakes | Hi, Just put a compaq SDLT320 tape drive in a linux server .. it seems when it tars the database backups to st0 I get kernel messages like this "May 13 22:53:21 noddy kernel: st0: Error 50600 (sugg. bt 0x0, driver bt 0x0, host bt 0x5)." and the machine hangs completely, no screen,keyboard and no message cold reboot required - any ideas? I also notice "May 14 23:51:08 noddy kernel: Queue 6 full, 0 outstanding.<4>Queue 6 full, 0 outstanding." |
| 18:02.17 | resiak | !tell grogoreo -about woody->sarge |
| 18:02.25 | resiak | grogoreo: Just install Sarge from scratch. It'd be easier. |
| 18:03.26 | green_earz | grogoreo:http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:03.48 | asuffield | Jakes: clever trick. that's an error from the device itself. you could try consulting the manual, but I bet it won't help. is it a new drive? |
| 18:04.12 | simonrvn | i wish i had a functional burner to use so i could do up a sarge iso... |
| 18:04.19 | simonrvn | oh wait... hmm |
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| 18:04.29 | abrotman | simonrvn: i traded mine for some lsd |
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| 18:04.37 | mrplum | can someone point me to documentation for compiling a kernel? I have a bunch of debian patch packages I want to apply before I configure but don't know the command |
| 18:04.38 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:04.39 | simonrvn | abrotman: you silly creature you |
| 18:04.39 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
| 18:04.40 | Jakes | asuffield, yeah :/ new drive... on a major production oracle server - gotta get the backups to work without hanging!! |
| 18:04.46 | abrotman | simonrvn: ask resiak .. he knows |
| 18:04.51 | asuffield | Jakes: my bet would be broken hardware. label it as broken and ship it back |
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| 18:05.29 | genix_ | how can I remove /work/ I only get: rm: cannot remove directory `/work/': Device or resource busy |
| 18:05.32 | Jakes | asuffield, hmm - ok i will tell the hardware vendor tomorrow - thanks a lot - hopefully that is the problem. |
| 18:05.56 | simonrvn | hm, i wonder if i can get cdrecord onto my netbsd box.. |
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| 18:06.00 | Jakes | asuffield, just wanted to make sure it wasnt a linux/driver problem before sending the unit back. |
| 18:06.02 | mlalkaka | how can i find out whether a certain ipc key is being used (is not unique). i'm creating a asound.conf file based on the example at http://wiki.arslinux.com/Dmix#Setting_up_Dmix ; it says that i need unique ipc keys. |
| 18:06.04 | abrotman | genix_: find out what's using it .. fuser / lsof |
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| 18:06.12 | asuffield | Jakes: there is no driver. or rather, every scsi tape drive uses the same driver |
| 18:06.17 | asuffield | Jakes: so, pretty damned unlikely |
| 18:06.31 | Rapp | *sigh*... can anyone tell me why UDF does not honour the procuid option, although it is mentioned in the man page? |
| 18:06.37 | Jakes | asuffield, cool |
| 18:06.50 | genix_ | abrotman: can you be more specific please |
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| 18:06.59 | genix_ | abrotman: give me an example in my case |
| 18:07.01 | abrotman | genix_: man fuser ; man lsof :) |
| 18:07.14 | grogoreo | sorry guys, one last question. I'm going to download sarge now, but there are 14 ISOs to download, shall I just download the first three? All I want to start off with is Debian + Gnome |
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| 18:07.33 | abrotman | genix_: is it a separate mount point ? |
| 18:07.43 | streuner_ | !d-i grogoreo |
| 18:07.44 | dpkg | grogoreo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:07.49 | fritz[] | Hello. How can I enlarge the reiserFS partition? I've got free space before and after the reiserFS part. Can I delete reiserFS part and recreate it from the beginning of freespace to end_of_freespace, the data will be still valid.(with fdisk). Correct? |
| 18:08.03 | abrotman | fritz[]: viagara |
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| 18:08.09 | genix_ | abrotman: yes |
| 18:08.20 | fritz[] | sorry, what? |
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| 18:08.28 | abrotman | bad joke Frankablu |
| 18:08.30 | abrotman | err fritz[] |
| 18:08.34 | resiak | fritz[]: Probably not. The procedure is backup, repartition, restore backup. |
| 18:08.36 | Jakes | asuffield, another possibility could be the controller and/or the firmware. |
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| 18:08.50 | genix_ | abrotman: that may be the problem =) |
| 18:08.53 | asuffield | Jakes: yeah, and it's probably firmware |
| 18:08.54 | genix_ | abrotman: hehe =) |
| 18:09.00 | abrotman | genix_: why is that a problem ? |
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| 18:09.07 | fritz[] | resiak: grr ... :( The problem is that resize_reiserfs and parted isn't helping me much ... |
| 18:09.11 | asuffield | Jakes: but that's the vendor's problem, just find the offending part and get rid of it |
| 18:09.19 | cbr | should i use discover1 or discover2 ? |
| 18:09.21 | cbr | 2 is better? |
| 18:09.47 | genix_ | abrotman: nothing, done now |
| 18:09.51 | abrotman | genix_: fuser /work/ |
| 18:10.08 | abrotman | genix_: all cleared up ? |
| 18:10.15 | abrotman | cbr: i thought you watned to remove discover ? |
| 18:10.17 | genix_ | abrotman: /work/: 4615 5121c |
| 18:10.23 | abrotman | genix_: so something is using it |
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| 18:10.33 | cbr | abrotman: not anymore.. should i prefer discover2? |
| 18:10.34 | abrotman | asg: apparently removing discover is a bad idea |
| 18:10.42 | abrotman | cbr: why not ? .. i thought you didn't need it :) |
| 18:10.48 | IDC | night all. have a good day in Linux hacking :) |
| 18:11.06 | cbr | i wanted to boot up a package kernel.. for that i need it.. for custom ones i dont |
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| 18:11.16 | ivoks | hi all |
| 18:11.20 | abrotman | cbr: either should be fine |
| 18:11.28 | abrotman | cbr: and please don't try to remove it again :) |
| 18:11.37 | cbr | but 2 is newer/better? |
| 18:11.53 | ivoks | does anyone of you uses oleo? :) |
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| 18:12.11 | abrotman | cbr: you'd think so wouldn't you ? |
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| 18:12.19 | abrotman | ivoks: oley! |
| 18:12.36 | cbr | ok.. thanks abrotman |
| 18:12.36 | ivoks | hi abrotman |
| 18:12.40 | abrotman | ivoks: isn't that food ? |
| 18:12.42 | astronut | anyone have any experience with the 'dansguardian' web content filtering tool? |
| 18:12.54 | fritz[] | hello ivoks :) |
| 18:12.58 | ivoks | i'm trying to figure why is oleo in sid, when that project is dead for years :) |
| 18:13.08 | abrotman | ivoks: someone still maintains it i guess |
| 18:13.10 | ivoks | and because of it, there is one lib more :) |
| 18:13.24 | ivoks | abrotman hehe i know... but, it should die :) |
| 18:13.29 | asg | abrotman: ? |
| 18:13.34 | abrotman | ivoks: is there a replacement |
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| 18:13.38 | abrotman | asg: look up :) |
| 18:13.43 | alex__ | How can I know which controller is being used by my kernel for my RAID software ? |
| 18:13.44 | ivoks | abrotman yeah: gnumeric |
| 18:13.48 | abrotman | and not at your ceiling |
| 18:13.54 | alex__ | sorry RAID hardware |
| 18:13.56 | ivoks | even on oleo site they say gnumeric is better :) |
| 18:14.01 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 18:14.04 | abrotman | ivoks: maybe it does something better/different .. |
| 18:14.16 | abrotman | ivoks: does it really bother you that much ? .. you could ignore it |
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| 18:14.26 | ivoks | abrotman it does :) |
| 18:14.31 | ivoks | very |
| 18:14.37 | simonrvn | hehe "and not at your ceiling". you been smoking something green lately, abrotman? |
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| 18:15.08 | abrotman | ivoks: file a wishlist bug for its removal .. and your reasoning .. but really .. nothing wrong iwth more choices for packages .. esp. since gnumeric requires large chunks for gnome to install |
| 18:15.13 | ivoks | well... nice talking to you guys :) |
| 18:15.34 | abrotman | simonrvn: no way .. i just figured asg would give me a witty response :) |
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| 18:15.57 | simonrvn | asg: think of something witty. ;p |
| 18:15.58 | jason_ | when was mozilla 1.7.8 released? |
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| 18:16.08 | simonrvn | some time in the past |
| 18:16.12 | abrotman | jason_: check the ftp site is the best answer |
| 18:16.15 | jason_ | ok |
| 18:16.16 | asg | simonrvn: my attorney has informed me to tell you to blow me. |
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| 18:16.30 | abrotman | jason_: or check the release notes |
| 18:16.32 | jason_ | it's been in unstable since yesterday |
| 18:16.35 | asg | </meat bob> |
| 18:16.35 | jason_ | good idea |
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| 18:16.54 | simonrvn | you sir, have been blown |
| 18:17.05 | asg | simonrvn: :) a stolen quote, no more, no less. |
| 18:17.07 | jason_ | http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.7.8/changelog.html |
| 18:17.12 | jason_ | lol- to be written |
| 18:17.19 | jason_ | i guess 1.7.9 will include a changelog |
| 18:17.19 | simonrvn | asg: hehehe |
| 18:18.03 | jason_ | ah, ok |
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| 18:18.08 | jason_ | http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html#Mozilla |
| 18:18.13 | mlalkaka | how can i find out whether a certain ipc key is being used (is not unique). i'm creating a asound.conf file based on the example at http://wiki.arslinux.com/Dmix#Setting_up_Dmix ; it says that i need unique ipc keys. |
| 18:18.25 | jason_ | basically the same as the patch for firefox 1.0.3 |
| 18:18.30 | jason_ | just a security fix |
| 18:18.32 | simonrvn | mlalkaka: just make up a random number |
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| 18:20.11 | leo | Hey all, english is not my native language, so what does people mean when say "xxx can't be ripped on the fly" ? |
| 18:20.25 | asg | leo: in realtime |
| 18:20.48 | gravity | Without stopping, basically |
| 18:20.55 | mlalkaka | simonrvn, it doesn't matter? so i could use 135 and 137 for example? |
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| 18:23.12 | common | im looking for an email client, console, i can use from bash scripts, it has to be able to use smtp and auth itself on a smtpserver |
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| 18:23.28 | piantux | please can anyone tell me how to rinitialize all packages configuration of a user ? |
| 18:23.29 | common | ./client --server pop.gmx.de --useraccount 123345 --password mood4n --recipient foo@bar.org --subject "testmail" --body "kein text" --attachment /tmp/foo.bar |
| 18:23.32 | common | like that |
| 18:23.48 | simonrvn | not really, as long as you define it, and it's unique at the time. the OS will know to avoid allowing a semaphore with that number to exist (and if that low, it'll never collide, they tend to be like this: 1802240) |
| 18:23.50 | gravity | piantux: dpkg-reconfigure -a? |
| 18:23.52 | jason_ | abrotman, i rebooted my system and debian started my wireless card with wpa_supplicant. It's working great. |
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| 18:25.11 | bobbyd | hi |
| 18:25.13 | jason_ | can anyone here explain the difference between ubuntu and debian? It seems like they just stole debian packages, added a new name and made a feel good webiste? Is it easier to configure? |
| 18:25.17 | simonrvn | mlalkaka: ^^ |
| 18:25.25 | alex__ | ok! I can't find it ! I need to have some kind of monitoring tool for my RAID hardware on my IBMxseries, I have installed debian on it and everything seems to work, but I don't know what package to use ?? Apparently it depends on the controller, but all I found is that the controller is IBM |
| 18:25.29 | abrotman | jason_: yay .. no more mandrake ? |
| 18:25.44 | bobbyd | where do i put commands I want to run at startup in debian? (I want to run irexec) |
| 18:26.01 | abrotman | !tell bobbyd about init.d |
| 18:26.13 | jason_ | abrotman, nope. Debian is faster, more responsive, has a bigger package selection which is constantly updated. The only advantage to mandrake are the config tools which is why i asked about ubuntu. |
| 18:26.15 | simonrvn | i hate spammers that try to fake out the MTA, i mean it's so blatantly obvious it's faked, why fucking bother... |
| 18:26.26 | abrotman | jason_: config for what? |
| 18:26.37 | gravity | jason_: All of ubuntu's config tools are in Debian |
| 18:26.37 | jason_ | abrotman, printer for example |
| 18:26.37 | asg | simonrvn: because it doesn't cost them anything. |
| 18:26.40 | abrotman | simonrvn: because it's spam ? |
| 18:26.43 | gravity | jason_: You just have to install them yourself |
| 18:26.44 | abrotman | jason_: sorry . dont' own one :) |
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| 18:26.52 | simonrvn | because they succeed at annoying me ;p |
| 18:26.53 | jason_ | gravity, like what? |
| 18:26.56 | mlalkaka | simonrvn, alright thanks |
| 18:27.10 | gravity | jason_: The cups gtk thing you were asking about just now |
| 18:27.22 | bobbyd | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:27.32 | abrotman | oh yeah .. guess i do have a Printing control thingie |
| 18:27.45 | gravity | jason_: gnome-cups-manager, in this case |
| 18:27.57 | jason_ | gravity, you said all of ubuntu's config tools are in debian. what others are there? |
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| 18:28.14 | gravity | jason_: I don't know, since I don't really use them. Most of it is stock gnome stuff |
| 18:28.26 | jason_ | so- what the hell did ubuntu do? |
| 18:28.26 | abrotman | jason_: tell us what oyu want to configure :) |
| 18:28.30 | gravity | jason_: Ubuntu basically is Debian, just altered. All the software is essentially the same |
| 18:28.32 | creature | I'd like to see the Solaris config tools in Debian. |
| 18:28.35 | jason_ | i want to setup a epson 880 printer |
| 18:28.38 | abrotman | jason_: pretty installer .. no options for software ? |
| 18:28.38 | directhex | i wouldn't |
| 18:28.39 | alex__ | can't anyone help me a bit there ? |
| 18:28.43 | abrotman | creature: are you joking ? |
| 18:28.47 | gravity | abrotman: The installer is the same |
| 18:28.51 | directhex | i'd like to see solaris burnt, a thousand times over |
| 18:28.51 | abrotman | creature: i like solaris . but the tools blow :) |
| 18:28.55 | simonrvn | creature: what? |
| 18:28.55 | gravity | Oh, except for like one or two questions |
| 18:28.58 | directhex | and then a few more times |
| 18:29.00 | jason_ | abrotman, i thought you could use any debian package with ubuntu |
| 18:29.01 | abrotman | gravity: err .. liveCD i meant :) |
| 18:29.05 | creature | abrotman - not entirely. |
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| 18:29.10 | abrotman | jason_: no idea .. don't use ubuntu |
| 18:29.13 | abrotman | creature: no .. they suck :) |
| 18:29.18 | creature | Not as the sole way of doing things, of course, but it would be nice to have them available. |
| 18:29.26 | gravity | jason_: Ubuntu basically made some decisions on your behalf as a user. That means you have less to do to get set up initially, but they set you up their way |
| 18:29.35 | abrotman | creature: such as? .. or are you just spouting ? |
| 18:29.40 | gravity | jason_: They also made a number of bugfixes and have a release with newer software than Debian stable |
| 18:29.44 | simonrvn | yeh, and not your own way ;) |
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| 18:30.16 | coywolf | how to read .chm files? |
| 18:30.21 | abrotman | !chm |
| 18:30.21 | dpkg | [chm] to extract Compressed HTML files (MS Windows HtmlHell Data) use the chmLib (and its example programs to be found at http://66.93.236.84/~jedwin/projects/chmlib/) or use xchm |
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| 18:30.27 | abrotman | !tell coywolf about search |
| 18:30.31 | abrotman | !tell coywolf about refcard |
| 18:30.39 | gravity | That's enough |
| 18:30.41 | abrotman | coywolf: and you should know those by heart by now |
| 18:30.56 | abrotman | enough what ? |
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| 18:31.12 | creature | abrotman - devfsadm, for instance. |
| 18:31.31 | gravity | Enough bashing on him for a simple question |
| 18:31.33 | abrotman | creature: to do what that you can't do now ? |
| 18:31.41 | abrotman | gravity: i wasn't bashing him .. |
| 18:31.53 | abrotman | gravity: but he used to be in here a lot .. and he should know how to use apt-cache search |
| 18:32.08 | abrotman | iirc .. he was actually banned for a while |
| 18:32.11 | piantux | is there any perform and easy web development to build web pages with php,xml,mysql,.. on debian |
| 18:32.26 | directhex | there's no easy way to do php, without doing it by hand |
| 18:32.33 | creature | I don't think it necessarily has to do something that's not already possible. For someone using something as keen on OSS as Debian, you're remarkably eager to insist I only do things one way. |
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| 18:32.36 | sameer | is it true debian sarge was not frozen..? |
| 18:32.40 | directhex | if you want a WYSIWYG HTML editor, try quanta or openoffice.org |
| 18:32.46 | simonrvn | sameer: /topic |
| 18:32.48 | gravity | sameer: Not at all |
| 18:32.56 | Arisu_ | I know that debian can run on a floppy, so please understand that telling me so is not terribly helpful. I'm wondering how much space an install would take up with X and firefox. I have a 2 gig drive available for the OS, and I can nfsmount some extra space if I need to, but I'm not sure how much extra space I would need, or what filesystems would be best to put on it. Anyone have any thoughts/hints? Im not familiar with how much 'junk' de |
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| 18:33.14 | simonrvn | Arisu_: that's plenty |
| 18:33.16 | abrotman | creature: i didn't say that .. i just asked what you want devfsadm to do for you that you can't do now ? |
| 18:33.21 | furrywolf | 2gb is plenty. |
| 18:33.23 | resiak | Arisu_: Truncated at "'junk' de"... |
| 18:33.24 | gravity | Arisu_: So long as you don't go for something like gnome or kde, you should be fine |
| 18:33.37 | creature | Nothing, I'm just familiar with its interface. |
| 18:33.39 | gravity | Just X and firefox. Once you start adding more stuff you'll hit that wall fast |
| 18:33.48 | abrotman | creature: oh ok . so you're going to port the tools then ? |
| 18:33.59 | piantux | is there any perform and easy web development environment to build web pages with php,xml,mysql,.. on debian |
| 18:34.06 | sameer | gravity : i just got a mail of a guy saying so |
| 18:34.11 | simonrvn | yes. vim, emacs |
| 18:34.16 | resiak | piantux: quanta ? bluefish ? |
| 18:34.17 | directhex | piantux, way to ignore my answer |
| 18:34.19 | [machine] | quanta |
| 18:34.21 | creature | No, just making idle conversation. |
| 18:34.21 | simonrvn | least fucking headaches |
| 18:34.24 | gravity | sameer: He's a big fucking liar. And you can call him that. |
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| 18:34.43 | directhex | piantux, you've qualified yourself as an idiot who can't read, which decreases your chances of any further help |
| 18:34.45 | abrotman | creature: ok .. anything else you want to complain about ? |
| 18:34.50 | simonrvn | sameer: the dude has NFC what he's talking about |
| 18:35.04 | creature | I wasn't complaining. I was conversing. |
| 18:35.14 | piantux | ohhhhh really |
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| 18:35.18 | jason_ | ubuntu takes a snapshot of debian testing every 6 months, applies patches and makes a distro |
| 18:35.37 | piantux | pas gentil ! |
| 18:35.39 | jason_ | thiat's one of the things i like about debian though...you don't have to wait as it's always shifting and thus always up to date |
| 18:35.50 | Arisu_ | gravity: It's going to have just about every service you have. I have a gentoo install on it at the moment, and it's taking up 1.6/2.0 gig. But this is mainly because I know where gentoo stores it's source tarballs and such, so I have that stuff on an NFS mount. But Im not sure if deb would be the same or not |
| 18:35.51 | creature | Doesn't Ubuntu do something jazzy with the root user? Hiding it away a little more? |
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| 18:36.04 | resiak | creature: Yes. |
| 18:36.06 | iLL_L0gic | What's the proper way to change the default runlevel in Sarge, my laptop boots to X at startup and I'd like it to boot in runlevel 3 instead |
| 18:36.11 | mwilson | jason_: Uh, how do you figure? |
| 18:36.13 | sameer | simonrwn : the guy is nuts i suppose.. he must have gone mad waiting all these years for sarge |
| 18:36.15 | resiak | !tell iLL_L0gic -about nodm |
| 18:36.15 | asg | iLL_L0gic: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 18:36.16 | abrotman | iLL_L0gic: wrong idea |
| 18:36.18 | simonrvn | iLL_L0gic: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 18:36.18 | directhex | piantux, ignoring what people tell you isn't nice either. maybe #debian-fr will be more friendly |
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| 18:36.29 | gravity | Arisu_: No way you can have 2 gigs and fit gnome on there |
| 18:36.33 | jason_ | mwilson, how do i figure what? |
| 18:36.54 | mwilson | "ubuntu takes a snapshot of debian testing every six months"... /me laughs maniacally and moves on |
| 18:37.04 | simonrvn | nah, you'd need much more to get gnome onto that |
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| 18:37.26 | gurubie | What's the best method of upgrading multiple computers on a LAN. I'm thinking one with a big HD keps the apt cache and the other pointing to it somehow? |
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| 18:37.30 | Arisu_ | gravity: not talking about gnome. Just X, Blackbox, Firefox, DNS, Exim, Rsync, FTP, Apache, SSHD, Icecast2, etc etc. |
| 18:37.31 | Anders1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.32 | simonrvn | the ogg would be ok, or even raw binary data ;p |
| 18:37.33 | Anders1 | erm |
| 18:37.34 | Anders1 | sorry |
| 18:37.38 | mwilson | abrotman: People always tell me I have an evil laugh. |
| 18:37.38 | abrotman | gurubie: apt-proxy |
| 18:37.41 | iLL_L0gic | I don't want to remove the display manager, I just don't want it to boot at startup |
| 18:37.45 | directhex | gurubie, good plan. apt-proxy. |
| 18:37.46 | abrotman | mwilson: heh |
| 18:37.46 | gravity | Arisu_: That's probably do-able. |
| 18:37.50 | creature | guruble - there's a bit of software called "apt-proxy" that does that kind of thing. |
| 18:37.56 | asg | mwilson: that can be an asset in many situations |
| 18:37.57 | creature | Darn, I was a bit slow there. |
| 18:37.58 | gurubie | Of course I mean without download the same thing over and over from the net. |
| 18:38.01 | directhex | iLL_L0gic, did you _READ_ the factoid? ity lists MULTIPLE options. |
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| 18:38.07 | gravity | Arisu_: What is it you're asking then, what to put over NFS? |
| 18:38.10 | resiak | iLL_L0gic: And why do you want to get rid of it, out of interest? |
| 18:38.14 | alex__ | ok, I found a page with all the possible driver my box could use to support my Hardware RAID, If I do locate on each of them, I realise that most of them are installed on my kernel, now hos can I do to know which one is actually being used ? |
| 18:38.15 | abrotman | !tell gurubie about apt-proxy |
| 18:38.15 | simonrvn | iLL_L0gic: echo true > /etc/X11/default-display-manager like the factoid says |
| 18:38.17 | piantux | oh i'm sorry to be idiot comparing you i only do coputing for pleasure and i'm not engineer expert in th domain .i 'm dstudent in physics,theorical physics not computing! |
| 18:38.21 | mwilson | jason_: I'm sure Ubuntu would like to know that's all they should be doing... would probably reduce their workload significantly. |
| 18:38.26 | directhex | alex__, what RAID controller do you have? |
| 18:38.30 | abrotman | piantux: what is your native language ? |
| 18:38.41 | iLL_L0gic | well, actually, it's not me that wants to get rid of it personally, I was just helping a friend out, he prefers the CLI and then booting X when he needs it |
| 18:38.41 | gravity | piantux: I'm a biology student |
| 18:38.44 | directhex | he's french |
| 18:38.47 | alex__ | directhex: all the info I have is IBM ServeRaid |
| 18:38.49 | piantux | oh complicated ! |
| 18:38.59 | directhex | and he's moaning and bitching because he's TOO FUCKING STUPID TO READ A PLAIN ENGLISH ANSWER |
| 18:39.00 | mwilson | iLL_L0gic: Yes, then remove the display manager. |
| 18:39.07 | abrotman | !fr |
| 18:39.07 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 18:39.08 | gravity | directhex: Calm down |
| 18:39.10 | resiak | iLL_L0gic: So then why doesn't he remove the display manager and use startx ? |
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| 18:39.19 | abrotman | gravity: you mean .. you're a geek and you know about about reproduction ? |
| 18:39.20 | mwilson | iLL_L0gic: Since you don't want it running, and don't want to use it, why is it installed? |
| 18:39.20 | alex__ | directhex: how can I knwo which controller is being used ? |
| 18:39.23 | Arisu_ | gravity: I am wondering if deb has any dirs that store lots of old crap that isn't really required, like source tarballs and such. Or if it only downloads packages when you install them, and deletes them when the install is done. |
| 18:39.27 | gravity | abrotman: Amazingly so :-) |
| 18:39.38 | resiak | Arisu_: /var/cache/apt , and you clean it with apt-get clean |
| 18:39.43 | gravity | Arisu_: No. It stores packages once they're installed, but you can remove them very easily |
| 18:39.52 | alex__ | directhex: ? |
| 18:39.56 | gurubie | Thanks, (apt-proxy). |
| 18:39.56 | gravity | Arisu_: And, as resiak said, they go to var/cache/apt, so you can NFS that |
| 18:39.58 | simonrvn | Arisu_: yes. /var/cache/apt/archives, and you can clean it out with apt-get clean |
| 18:40.08 | directhex | alex__, ServeRAID uses the "ips" module |
| 18:40.12 | gravity | Er... yeah... /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:40.43 | piantux | my native language is hungarian because my mother is from hungry and i lived in hungary into 21 now i continue my studies in french university since 3 years |
| 18:40.58 | alex__ | directhex: that is good to know, how can I know that ? I have tried to look on the IBM server and I could not find this |
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| 18:41.17 | piantux | and sorry for my bad english because i'm also too bad in french! |
| 18:41.17 | Arisu_ | Mmmm, that's what I was looking for. What about old crap in /usr/share, like old docs and dist conf files. Do they clean up with apt-cache clean, or do they clean up automagically when the app is upgraded/removed? |
| 18:41.51 | directhex | alex__, you know it by speaking to someone who deals with ibm kit on a daily basis. |
| 18:42.03 | alex__ | directhex: that' s it ! |
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| 18:42.14 | alex__ | directhex: ok so I am not more stupid than anyone |
| 18:42.20 | piantux | szia( koszonom sziepel) thanks a lot for your help mr |
| 18:42.26 | piantux | direct |
| 18:42.43 | jason_ | i wonder why gnome-cups-manager isn't in the kde menu |
| 18:42.46 | piantux | direhex |
| 18:42.51 | asg | alex__: and if you happen to use the QLogic fiber channel cards in the HS20 Blades, you'll want to get the OEM driver sources from qlogic.com. |
| 18:42.59 | alex__ | directhex: so according to my research, there is not cmd tool to monitor my RAID activity ! |
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| 18:43.29 | alex__ | asg: waow that' s another bit of info, ... but I don't think I use this |
| 18:43.31 | directhex | alex__, there is, actually. raidman. |
| 18:43.37 | _Xavi_ | hi, can someone tell me how to switch to a different keymap ? ive tried using "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" but that doesnt work, even if i reboot |
| 18:43.45 | directhex | alex__, IBM raidman, that is. |
| 18:43.53 | asg | alex__: *nod* |
| 18:43.57 | alex__ | directhex: ohh ! THANKS ! |
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| 18:44.26 | directhex | alex__, should be downloadable from IBM.com. won't work unless your serveraid fiormware, serveraid driver, and raidman software, have matching version number |
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| 18:45.19 | YT | 'sup niggaz? |
| 18:45.28 | hiffy | no much muh brotha |
| 18:45.29 | abrotman | don't use that word |
| 18:45.34 | alex__ | directhex: urg |
| 18:45.43 | YT | what word, 'sup? |
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| 18:45.53 | abrotman | YT: you know damn well which word |
| 18:45.58 | YT | Manny, what's a nigga got to do to use some slang these days |
| 18:46.00 | YT | you get me? |
| 18:46.01 | directhex | !gnaa |
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| 18:46.36 | YT | 'sup nostrich? |
| 18:46.41 | nostrich | hi YT |
| 18:46.44 | nostrich | can you help me? |
| 18:46.50 | YT | 'sup mah nigz? |
| 18:46.53 | abrotman | YT: do you have a debian question ? |
| 18:46.54 | alex__ | directhex: let me get this right: isp is the driver that allow linux to work with my RAID Hardware card, right ? |
| 18:47.03 | nostrich | i'm trying to work out how to install debian on my mobile phone |
| 18:47.05 | jason_ | is there a way to use a gnome applet (apt-watch) in KDE or a similar KDE app to inform me of debian updates? |
| 18:47.11 | YT | hahha |
| 18:47.15 | _Xavi_ | hi, can someone tell me how to switch to a different keymap ? ive tried using "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" but that doesnt work, even if i reboot |
| 18:47.22 | directhex | alex__, ips, yes. try looking in /proc/scsi/ips/ |
| 18:47.24 | asg | _Xavi_: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 18:47.29 | YT | good look homie, no wot i mean? |
| 18:47.32 | _Xavi_ | k |
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| 18:47.36 | creature | That sounds like a job for netbsd. You can install it on a toaster, you must be able to get it onto a mobile. |
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| 18:47.56 | YT | 'sup blackica |
| 18:47.57 | _Xavi_ | asg: doesnt work if i use dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 18:48.01 | _Xavi_ | im using ssh btw |
| 18:48.08 | abrotman | YT: do you have a debian question ? |
| 18:48.12 | YT | mang, lots of homies around here? |
| 18:48.18 | YT | you get me? |
| 18:48.21 | nostrich | hello BlackIce |
| 18:48.27 | nabokov | abrotman: evidently he dosent |
| 18:48.31 | BlackIce | hello nostrich |
| 18:48.33 | YT | i do |
| 18:48.38 | abrotman | let's have it |
| 18:48.42 | YT | me and nostrich want to install debian on our mobies |
| 18:48.45 | alex__ | directhex: I have /proc/scsi/mptscsih/ and /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 18:48.48 | nostrich | hi yeah we do |
| 18:48.49 | asg | _Xavi_: hmmm, in what way is it failing? |
| 18:48.50 | nostrich | do you know how BlackIce |
| 18:48.52 | YT | so we be chillin' wit debian on the stoop |
| 18:48.53 | YT | you get me/ |
| 18:48.55 | jason_ | "Ubuntu does not provide security updates and professional support for every package available in the open source world, but selects a complete set of packages making up a solid and comprehensive desktop system and provides support for that set of packages." i.e - we decide for you what you should use |
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| 18:48.58 | jason_ | heh |
| 18:49.00 | abrotman | freaking morons .. both of them |
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| 18:49.06 | Ferminegro | que pexo |
| 18:49.14 | piantux | how to reconfigure a user interpreter of xterm:problem is :bad interpreter ;permission denied when trying to install a non-debian package)thanks for help |
| 18:49.21 | _Xavi_ | asg: well im using UK keyboard on a default install, pressing HOME and END returns a tilde (~) |
| 18:49.27 | YT | I'm having trouble getting a vanilla source to pick up my sata array |
| 18:49.31 | _Xavi_ | ive tried switching to uk keymap.. same result |
| 18:49.31 | alex__ | directhex: if I have not got it does it mean that I am using another one ? |
| 18:49.32 | nostrich | so do anyone know how ah can install debian ta muh mobile, and git Sheniquah's ass back ova' heeah. |
| 18:49.49 | YT | you all be ignorin me |
| 18:49.56 | YT | proppa rank niggaz |
| 18:49.59 | YT | I'm having trouble getting a vanilla source to pick up my sata array |
| 18:50.01 | jason_ | YT, speak english and you might get some help |
| 18:50.05 | YT | you get me? |
| 18:50.12 | YT | you brothers no wot i mean |
| 18:50.13 | YT | you get me? |
| 18:50.13 | nostrich | these brothas don' know anythin' YT, with muh beeotch |
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| 18:50.21 | YT | ye man |
| 18:50.26 | YT | dese niggaz be tite |
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| 18:50.34 | asg | YT: #kernelnewbies, #kernel |
| 18:50.35 | benka | hello |
| 18:50.37 | jason_ | YT, i think there's a #debian-morons on freenode. try going there |
| 18:50.43 | Ferminegro | que'??? |
| 18:50.43 | alex__ | directhex: looks that I am using mptscsih and not isp |
| 18:50.50 | Ferminegro | no entiendo ni madres |
| 18:50.51 | YT | looks like i already here, you get me? |
| 18:50.51 | nostrich | yuh calling muh homies morons?, w0rd! |
| 18:50.57 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:50.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:51.01 | YT | word nostrich, word |
| 18:51.10 | YT | dese nigs need a driveby or sommat |
| 18:51.18 | benka | I've got a pbm with my debian sarge |
| 18:51.42 | asg | !ops (YT, nostrich) --- The idiocy strikes twice. |
| 18:51.43 | nostrich | who's sarge?, and shit |
| 18:51.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: (YT, nostrich) --- The idiocy strikes twice. |
| 18:51.44 | YT | i cant find the right modules, you get me? and me kernel is failing to boot at restart |
| 18:51.46 | benka | Can someone help me? |
| 18:51.47 | nostrich | yes sir sarge |
| 18:52.00 | alex__ | directhex: 01:01.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 07) |
| 18:52.07 | nostrich | !ops what |
| 18:52.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: what |
| 18:52.10 | nabokov | benka: what problem?? |
| 18:52.19 | YT | !ops me niggaz? |
| 18:52.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: me niggaz |
| 18:52.21 | nostrich | !ops lol |
| 18:52.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: lol |
| 18:52.24 | benka | I can't access via ssh to my server execpt in my privat network |
| 18:52.30 | YT | !ops driveby plz |
| 18:52.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: driveby plz |
| 18:52.34 | benka | i've already set port forwarding |
| 18:52.36 | Ferminegro | me lleva la china poblana |
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| 18:52.45 | abrotman | Ferminegro: /j #debian-es |
| 18:52.54 | Ferminegro | quee |
| 18:52.58 | piantux | how to change fonts because they're very small (mplayer(with often craashes),xmms,mozilla) |
| 18:53.05 | Ferminegro | no jodan |
| 18:53.06 | YT | I'm having trouble getting a vanilla source to pick up my sata array |
| 18:53.11 | YT | i cant find the right modules, you get me? and me kernel is failing to boot at restart |
| 18:53.19 | benka | but i 'm asking me if there's no restriction to access debian server from internet with the default conf |
| 18:53.24 | abrotman | sata in a phone eh ? |
| 18:53.33 | YT | not like day chicken kernal at KFC, he is dope, you get me? |
| 18:53.36 | resiak | !sing sunday |
| 18:53.37 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 18:53.41 | drac | piantux: Try installing some transcoded fonts.. apt-cache search xfonts | grep transcoded |
| 18:53.50 | piantux | i must take the microscope of my laboratory to see something in xmms |
| 18:53.51 | nabokov | benka: /etc/ssh/sshd_config youvew looked there? |
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| 18:54.04 | benka | no |
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| 18:54.18 | creature | benka - it doesn't come with a preconfigured firewall, but on a bare install there shouldn't be any daemons running. |
| 18:54.18 | YT | you nigz made me brotha leave man |
| 18:54.24 | benka | i've got the same problem with apache |
| 18:54.25 | YT | you need some proppa respekt |
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| 18:54.43 | abrotman | helix: thank you |
| 18:54.44 | karrot-x | hey what's the mplayer source? |
| 18:54.46 | benka | i'd look in httpd.conf but i didn't find the solution |
| 18:54.47 | creature | You'll have to apt-get install things. |
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| 18:55.04 | jeff_ | anyone know where i can find the package for mplayer or the binaries for it |
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| 18:55.11 | resiak | !marillat |
| 18:55.11 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 18:55.13 | abrotman | !tell jeff_ about mplayer |
| 18:55.29 | rr | how do i upgrade woody to Sid without a DSL connection? i want to download all the needed files, but i find only Packages.gz in the ftp, that's only 27Mb large.. |
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| 18:55.41 | benka | so you think that my port forwarding doesn't work ? |
| 18:55.48 | alex__ | directhex: don't give up on me |
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| 18:55.55 | jeff_ | sweet, thanks abrotman |
| 18:56.02 | brosio | anyone knwon a list of radio for xmms ? like winamp |
| 18:56.03 | resiak | rr: You really, really, don't. |
| 18:56.06 | nabokov | benka: without seeing the sshd_config im not sure |
| 18:56.14 | resiak | !tell rr -about woody->sarge |
| 18:56.22 | jason_ | abrotman, the debian security team doesn't provide security upgrades for testing. However, I don't see why that matters if testing is constantly being upgraded for all types of releases- bugs, security, and features? Does it matter that there aren't security-only fixes? |
| 18:56.27 | resiak | rr: You do that, and it'll download what it neesd. |
| 18:56.32 | resiak | rr: And you don't use Sid. :) |
| 18:56.48 | jason_ | benka, what's the problem benka? |
| 18:57.06 | abrotman | jason_: testing is currently the part of debian that gets fixes the slowest |
| 18:57.16 | creature | Hold on, the security team *are* doing updates for sarge now. |
| 18:57.17 | piantux | very curions these xfonts are also all installed ! |
| 18:57.19 | killer_st | helo. i wonder if anyone have success running tomcat4 on debian. i've installed all packages, but have no clue how to configure to make it running.. |
| 18:57.27 | piantux | very curious these xfonts are also all installed ! |
| 18:57.32 | rr | resiak: i meant that i'll download all the needed files AT WORK with DSL and then i'll installa it at home |
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| 18:57.35 | jason_ | benka, defeault sshd config should allow access from any IP as long as you aren't behind a firewall in which case you'll need to forward port 22 to your private ip on your server |
| 18:57.44 | benka | i'm in the sshd_config |
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| 18:57.52 | sulan | What determines the rendering of fonts in old applications? I'd like Eagle's fonts to look more like GTK2 (albeit w/o antialiasing) like in this screenshot: http://q1.se/uglyfonts.png |
| 18:57.57 | btsdev | i've been looking around but been able to figure out how to install eclipse... any tips? (i have sun jdk 1.5 installed already) |
| 18:57.58 | jason_ | abrotman, how long does it take on average? |
| 18:57.59 | resiak | rr: Ohhhhh ... You're probably best off downloading the first couple of CDs of Sarge, using apt-cd to add those to your sources.list, and upgrading. |
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| 18:58.08 | jason_ | for example, when will firefox 1.0.4 be available in testing |
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| 18:58.21 | simonrvn | jason_: WIR |
| 18:58.28 | rr | resiak: ok |
| 18:58.28 | benka | i've alrady forward port 22 icsto port 22 |
| 18:58.35 | jason_ | benka, the problem most likely isn't in sshd_config |
| 18:58.36 | piantux | another idea to solve this problem of small fonts in kde |
| 18:58.39 | jason_ | ben_d, icsto? |
| 18:58.43 | vick | is there a way in which i could copy a file with the filename containing some character which linux doesn't recognize ? |
| 18:58.50 | streuner | jason_: its now in unstable |
| 18:58.54 | vick | (it's an output problem, not input) |
| 18:58.56 | benka | sorry |
| 18:58.57 | streuner | jason_: ... |
| 18:59.06 | benka | i've alréedy forward port 22 to my debian port 22 with ics (xp) |
| 18:59.08 | jason_ | streuner, yes- i installed it yesterday |
| 18:59.09 | resiak | vick: There are only two characters that filenames can't contain on Linux: / and NULL. So you'll not have a problem. |
| 18:59.17 | jason_ | streuner, i was wondering when it would be put into testing |
| 18:59.25 | resiak | jason_: Probably never. |
| 18:59.36 | resiak | jason_: Sorry, it'll probably go into testing when Sarge has released. |
| 18:59.39 | streuner | resiak: wrong |
| 18:59.41 | piantux | is there here some debian developpers? |
| 18:59.54 | resiak | streuner: ? |
| 18:59.55 | benka | # Use these options to restrict which interfaces/protocols sshd will bind to |
| 18:59.56 | benka | #ListenAddress :: |
| 18:59.56 | benka | #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 |
| 18:59.56 | benka | Protocol 2 |
| 18:59.56 | jason_ | simonrvn, WIR? |
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| 19:00.03 | resiak | !tell jason_ -about wir |
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| 19:00.13 | streuner | resiak: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mozilla-firefox.html |
| 19:00.13 | simonrvn | oh yeh, the freeze... |
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| 19:00.34 | simonrvn | duh! |
| 19:00.38 | resiak | streuner: Whee! |
| 19:00.42 | LuPuZ | How do i change the ownership of an folder? I accidentilly installed an program as root and now my user account aint allowed to use it :S |
| 19:00.50 | asg | LuPuZ: man chmod |
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| 19:00.53 | sulan | LuPuZ: chown |
| 19:00.54 | asg | LuPuZ: man chown |
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| 19:00.57 | resiak | LuPuZ: man chown |
| 19:01.00 | LuPuZ | thank you |
| 19:01.01 | vick | resiak, what if it isn't '/' or NULL ? |
| 19:01.04 | jason_ | i thought it would normally be included in 1,5,or 10 days as long as it builds correctly and there are no critical bugs? |
| 19:01.08 | vick | resiak, then why would that be happening ? |
| 19:01.11 | jason_ | 2,5, or 10 i mean |
| 19:01.15 | abrotman | jason_: it's in freeze |
| 19:01.18 | resiak | vick: What exactly is the problem? |
| 19:01.20 | btsdev | i've been looking around but been able to figure out how to install eclipse... any tips? (i have sun jdk 1.5 installed already) |
| 19:01.25 | benka | can someone try to open ssh session on my compueter? |
| 19:01.26 | simonrvn | jason_: normally. a freeze isn't normal |
| 19:01.27 | jason_ | abrotman, if it weren't in freeze, would it have been included in a few days? |
| 19:01.37 | vick | resiak, can't copy it |
| 19:01.41 | asg | btsdev: just download it from eclipse.org and stuff it in /usr/local |
| 19:01.42 | abrotman | jason_: probably |
| 19:01.49 | piantux | can anyone tell me how to configure /ec/sudoers tu use sudo correctly |
| 19:01.49 | simonrvn | jason_: IOW, it won't go in, but security patches will - unless the RMs decide it's ok to get it in |
| 19:01.54 | resiak | eclipse is in contrib.. |
| 19:01.55 | btsdev | asg: ok thanks |
| 19:01.58 | asg | piantux: man sudoers |
| 19:02.01 | vick | resiak, i am getting 'Invalid argument' |
| 19:02.09 | resiak | vick: In what context? |
| 19:02.20 | vick | resiak, what's context ? |
| 19:02.30 | asg | piantux: look at the EXAMPLES section |
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| 19:02.37 | resiak | vick: What command are you running? |
| 19:02.49 | vick | resiak, cp |
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| 19:02.55 | simonrvn | @dict context |
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| 19:02.58 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'context' (2 of 8): discourse that surrounds a language unit and helps to determine its interpretation ;; 2. When, there is any obscurity in the words of an agreement or law,. |
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| 19:03.14 | resiak | vick: *shrug* |
| 19:03.33 | jason_ | abrotman, from the packages i've looked at, testing looks as up to date as any other distro except in a few exceptions like xorg. Is it usually up to date? |
| 19:03.40 | mlalkaka | does anyone here have a microphone set up properly with alsa, and it passes the test in gstreamer-properties? |
| 19:03.43 | simonrvn | vick: what's the command line you're using? |
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| 19:04.07 | tcsetattr | how many hours until vick actually shows us an error message? |
| 19:04.13 | vick | simonrvn, cp /stuff/heh\?.url . |
| 19:04.18 | abrotman | jason_: yes .. it will be frozen until sarge releases .. but will start getting updates again after release |
| 19:04.38 | vick | tcsetattr, i guess you're the only one who missed it then |
| 19:04.46 | vick | tcsetattr, scroll up |
| 19:04.56 | tcsetattr | Invalid argument? from cp? that does sound weird |
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| 19:05.07 | simonrvn | vick: yup. weird |
| 19:05.21 | jason_ | abrotman, is it a bad idea to be installing mozilla, firefox and gaim from unstable? It installed w/o issue and hasn't had a crash or any bug that i can see |
| 19:05.25 | vick | cp: cannot create regular file `./heh?.url': Invalid argument |
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| 19:05.55 | tcsetattr | vick, you must be using some crappy filesystem that doesn't alow ?'s in a filename |
| 19:05.58 | LuPuZ | can i make the chown work for Dir's and there subfolders? |
| 19:06.06 | resiak | LuPuZ: man chown |
| 19:06.07 | alex__ | directhex: can you tell me a bit more I am stuck there |
| 19:06.22 | LuPuZ | resiak: i have done man chown... just a little tired :P |
| 19:06.28 | abrotman | jason_: as long as you're tracking testing and not sarge .. should be fine |
| 19:06.33 | gravity | Wow... I haven't been in woody in forever |
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| 19:06.38 | mlalkaka | does anyone even use a mic in here? |
| 19:06.57 | simonrvn | mlalkaka: what's a mic? ;p |
| 19:06.57 | resiak | LuPuZ: -R |
| 19:07.06 | resiak | I use mics. |
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| 19:07.09 | LuPuZ | resiak: thx |
| 19:07.09 | mlalkaka | simonrvn, microphone lol |
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| 19:07.30 | simonrvn | resiak: you user!1111111!!!111 |
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| 19:07.50 | mlalkaka | resiak, does your mic pass the test in gstreamer-properties? |
| 19:07.50 | vick | tcsetattr, fat32 |
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| 19:08.03 | resiak | mlalkaka: I never said that I use a mic with my computer. |
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| 19:08.15 | mlalkaka | resiak, *sigh* |
| 19:08.23 | tcsetattr | ah, so once again someone who starts out with a Linux "problem" ends up revealing the reality that he's only got one foot in the Linux world and his problems come from windoze legacy. |
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| 19:08.26 | tix64 | vick: so, that's the problem. fat32 doesn't support ?'s |
| 19:08.28 | mlalkaka | does anyone use a microphone WITH their computer in here? |
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| 19:08.45 | resiak | mlalkaka: Sorry, that was a dumb thing to say. Let me try. |
| 19:08.48 | alex__ | directhex: ok thanks ! but everyon eis telling me something different and nothing brings even close to what I am looking for, moreover noone is actually carrying the conversation on, so this is becoming frustrating |
| 19:09.05 | jason_ | vick, why fat32 and not ntfs? |
| 19:09.11 | vick | tix64, then how come the file is on fat32 already ? |
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| 19:09.34 | RadicalEdward | hab ne schöne n00b frage: hab bei der firefox install den fehler: 618 und mit der begründung das die bibiotek _xpisrub_ nicht geöffnet werden konnte |
| 19:09.46 | asg | !german |
| 19:09.47 | dpkg | from memory, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 19:09.47 | resiak | mlalkaka: Only works if I choose OSS as the source. |
| 19:09.52 | mono_ | i've already tried in #postfix, it seems like their are sleeping - i am trying to allow smtpd auth - for those road warriors - i keep getting relay denied from a remote client when trying to send an email - and my logs show me -fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms - ideas why?> |
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| 19:10.17 | mlalkaka | resiak, can you send me your /etc/asound.conf please? |
| 19:10.18 | tix64 | vick: maybe it's not a "?" but some other not correctly decoded character. you do have the correct character encoding compiled in to your kernel? |
| 19:10.26 | RadicalEdward | thx |
| 19:10.34 | mlalkaka | resiak, or your ~/.asoundrc |
| 19:10.42 | resiak | mlalkaka: /j #flood |
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| 19:12.10 | simonrvn | @ff resiak |
| 19:12.12 | ravenbird | resiak: fartfish |
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| 19:12.27 | tix64 | mono_: what debian version do you use? |
| 19:13.04 | creature | Those of you who recall my earlier question regarding kernel compilation and DMA might be interested to know that the root problem was that my IDE chipset was compiled as a module, and not directly into the kernel. This causes problems, apparently, even if you do remember to load the module. |
| 19:13.19 | simonrvn | @lart resiak for badgering me |
| 19:13.29 | mwilson | creature: What problems are those? |
| 19:13.35 | simonrvn | @lart resiak for badgering me |
| 19:13.37 | abrotman | mwilson: hdparm wouldn't work |
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| 19:13.45 | piantux | is there people who have always a bug with the last version of mplayer |
| 19:13.54 | mwilson | creature: You'd better let the Debian kernel team know that you know more about kernels than they do. |
| 19:14.02 | jason_ | so, it's not possible to load a gnome applett in KDE? |
| 19:14.04 | piantux | in mplayer booting |
| 19:14.09 | simonrvn | @lart resiak for badgering me |
| 19:14.13 | abrotman | jason_: might be better to ask #debian-ke |
| 19:14.15 | resiak | simonrvn: Should I stop? |
| 19:14.16 | abrotman | err -kde |
| 19:14.18 | jason_ | *applet |
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| 19:14.21 | simonrvn | bah, that should be -9 |
| 19:14.22 | creature | mwilson - well, it wouldn't be possible to enable DMA, mainly. |
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| 19:14.37 | mwilson | creature: You'd be wrong, but hey, you must know more than they do. |
| 19:14.37 | jason_ | woops |
| 19:14.39 | SEkhm | i have in proftpd.conf added 'DefaultRoot ~' but i wont that one user can view other dirs.. how to do that? |
| 19:14.39 | simonrvn | resiak: i'm just kidding around like you are :) |
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| 19:14.54 | resiak | i'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?, simonrvn |
| 19:15.00 | SEkhm | want* |
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| 19:15.05 | piantux | something like new face failing every demarrage! |
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| 19:15.09 | creature | mwilson - well, it wouldn't work before, and the only thing I changed was compiling it directly in instead of as a module. |
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| 19:15.25 | creature | And it wasn't some random choice; a google suggested that other people had had this solution. |
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| 19:15.49 | mwilson | creature: I have no idea what you did wrong... I wasn't there. I'm sure, though, that it was PEBKAC. |
| 19:15.52 | creature | So I'll leave it to you to weigh up the options. Either this changed fixed things, or the magic IDE fairies wandered past and sprinkled pixie dust into my chipset to make it go again. |
| 19:15.59 | benka | is it working http://82.254.137.154/cgp133 ? |
| 19:16.05 | astronut | anyone have any experience with the 'dansguardian' web content filtering tool? |
| 19:16.06 | levander | Anybody has ever tried Microsoft's "Services for UNIX", I can't find docs to configure it anywhere... It's like the software doesn't exist, except that you can download it. |
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| 19:16.18 | simonrvn | creature: random neutrino re-alignment |
| 19:16.20 | piantux | is there people who have always a bug with the last version of mplayer |
| 19:16.29 | piantux | something like new face failing every demarrage! |
| 19:16.50 | _me_ | The requested URL /cgp133 was not found on this server. |
| 19:16.54 | resiak | piantux: You might have more luck on #debian-fr |
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| 19:17.34 | simonrvn | resiak: you might have more luck in #badgers |
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| 19:17.49 | resiak | simonrvn: are you smoking crack? |
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| 19:18.02 | simonrvn | resiak: nope. just tobacco |
| 19:18.06 | mono_ | tix64, testing/sarge |
| 19:18.15 | piantux | my (home,system,trash) icons disappeeared from desktop how to geet it new on desktop please |
| 19:18.26 | tix64 | mono_: apt-get install postfix-tls as a first step |
| 19:18.32 | simonrvn | resiak: tried that once, it sucks. stick to pot / hash if you wanna buzz |
| 19:18.44 | mono_ | tix64, did that already |
| 19:18.58 | SEkhm | i have in proftpd.conf added 'DefaultRoot ~' but i want that one user can view other dirs.. how to do that? |
| 19:18.58 | dabreegster | I'm using xatitv to watch TV using my Rage 128 video card. It works well. I have volume turned up all the way, however, and I'm getting no sound for any channel. The docs imply that sound should work, but it doesn't. Anybody know how I can get sound? (Note that sound itself works great on my system, I use OSS) |
| 19:19.00 | mlalkaka | resiak, would you like to try something? i'll send you an .asoundrc, backup your current .asoundrc and use the one i send you for the gstreamer tests. see if alsasrc works and osssrc works? |
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| 19:19.22 | piantux | the place of url in Konqueror also disappeared ! help please! |
| 19:19.28 | mono_ | tix64, should i remove postfix and just keep postfix-tls? |
| 19:19.31 | resiak | mlalkaka: *shrug* I could do .. but what's different about yours? |
| 19:19.32 | simonrvn | SEkhm: try #proftpd |
| 19:19.42 | resiak | piantux: Erm, right-cliick and make it come back? |
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| 19:20.10 | piantux | euh? don't understand how? |
| 19:20.14 | dabreegster | I do get an error when running xatitv: GATOS: mixer set failed: invalid argument |
| 19:20.21 | piantux | and where i n kde |
| 19:20.27 | tix64 | mono_: nope. post the content of your /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf to #flood |
| 19:20.33 | mlalkaka | resiak, i have a section pcm.capture {...} which provides a way to use alsasrc i think. so alsasrc may work. |
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| 19:21.16 | piantux | please help!!! |
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| 19:21.26 | resiak | mlalkaka: mmkay. |
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| 19:22.01 | mlalkaka | resiak, just change the name .asoundrc and put it in ~/ |
| 19:22.02 | piantux | i'm going to pleurer if i don't know solution this night! |
| 19:22.09 | RolandU | hi all |
| 19:22.21 | resiak | mlalkaka: Sure. Paste on #flood? |
| 19:22.24 | RolandU | what do I use to burn a .bin-cd-image-file? |
| 19:22.37 | mlalkaka | resiak, alright |
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| 19:23.03 | lewis | why is the #amd64 channel so empty? |
| 19:23.09 | simonrvn | because |
| 19:23.16 | lewis | a week ago, it had 80 people in it... |
| 19:23.31 | abrotman | lewis: #debian-amd64 |
| 19:23.36 | lewis | damn |
| 19:23.43 | mono_ | tix64, what do you think? |
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| 19:24.17 | lewis | i was about to think that - thank you for setlting that |
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| 19:25.06 | punsad | i've installed sarge on my laptop and it looks like the debian installer automatically detected and installed my 3COM pcmcia card... how do I make it detect another (wireless) card now? |
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| 19:25.13 | levander | Nobody's tried getting Windows "Services for UNIX" to work with a debian box? |
| 19:25.19 | simonrvn | no |
| 19:25.25 | lewis | btw, does anyone have any good suggestions, as to why, ever since altering login.defs, pam.d/ssh and pam.d/login (for maildir, instead of mbox), I get 'you have newmail' or 'you have oldmail' - missing a space.... |
| 19:25.41 | mlalkaka | resiak, did you get it? |
| 19:25.54 | simonrvn | lewis: add a space somewhere? |
| 19:25.56 | resiak | mlalkaka: mmmhmm. Just a mo. |
| 19:26.14 | lewis | heh - that is the obvious conclusion to make, but where? |
| 19:26.32 | lewis | I have checked everywhere, and saw no logical place |
| 19:27.10 | cbr | on 2.6.x is it safe to remove modutils and only keep module-init-tools? |
| 19:27.32 | zinx | if you never plan on using 2.4.x, yes |
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| 19:28.13 | simonrvn | lewis: could be in a non-obvious place |
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| 19:28.31 | lewis | simonrvn: heh - that is why I am asking in here |
| 19:28.47 | levander | lewis: the bash shell itself puts up that notification, to see the variables bash uses "env | grep MAIL" |
| 19:28.48 | jason_ | abrotman, how do i configure my system to allow an X application start from a root terminal? |
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| 19:29.10 | gravity | jason_: That's a FAQ in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common |
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| 19:29.29 | simonrvn | lewis: like say, dir=/foobar/Maildir/ or such |
| 19:29.30 | jason_ | gravity, thanks |
| 19:29.32 | scarynetworkguy | jason_: What app? |
| 19:29.33 | lewis | ok - processing... |
| 19:29.40 | jason_ | scarynetworkguy, any app |
| 19:29.47 | mne | hi ! does anyone know if all cpus of a SMP system need the sam stepping code ? |
| 19:29.49 | levander | lewis: my guess is that bash just has those messages hard-coded, prolly can't change?? |
| 19:29.51 | jason_ | scarynetworkguy, it just complains it can't connect to the X server |
| 19:29.53 | gravity | jason_: No problem |
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| 19:29.59 | resiak | mlalkaka: No longer works with oss, and still b0rked for alsa. |
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| 19:30.16 | lewis | but why would a space start mssing? |
| 19:30.16 | scarynetworkguy | jason_: As well it should. You don't run X apps as root unless you have a *very* good reason to do so. |
| 19:30.16 | gravity | jason_: I personally just link /home/david/.Xauthority to /root/.Xauthority |
| 19:30.19 | mlalkaka | resiak, when you click on 'Test', what does it say? |
| 19:30.23 | gravity | jason_: For a multi-user setup though, that won't work |
| 19:30.44 | resiak | mlalkaka: Failed to construct test pipeline. |
| 19:30.58 | punsad | i've installed sarge on my laptop and it looks like the debian installer automatically detected and installed my 3COM pcmcia card... how do I make it detect another (wireless) card now? |
| 19:30.59 | dabreegster | #bash might know. |
| 19:31.00 | lewis | the mail path is accurate in 'env' |
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| 19:31.08 | jason_ | scarynetworkguy, there are some administrative apps that need to be run as root |
| 19:31.29 | coywolf | how to make should some debian mirros are safe? ie. the software there are safe |
| 19:31.30 | scarynetworkguy | jason_: Ewwwww. Like what? |
| 19:31.32 | resiak | !tell jason_ -about sux |
| 19:31.36 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Ethereal! |
| 19:31.39 | mlalkaka | resiak, hhmm. that's weird. for me, when i use that asoundrc, it starts the test, the test works well but when i press the 'Cancel' button on the test, gstreamer-properties just hangs. it freezes |
| 19:31.46 | resiak | mlalkaka: Oddness. |
| 19:31.53 | gravity | ethereal is a good example |
| 19:31.57 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Heh. That's not a "administrative app" now is it buddy? |
| 19:32.10 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Fine. What about synaptic? |
| 19:32.11 | zinx | lewis: the pam module is pam_mail.so, if that helps any |
| 19:32.11 | jason_ | yeah, ethereal needs to be run as root |
| 19:32.18 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Causes cancer. :P |
| 19:32.18 | jason_ | but that's just networking stuff |
| 19:32.22 | mlalkaka | resiak, well thanks for trying though |
| 19:32.27 | resiak | mlalkaka: NP. |
| 19:32.34 | jason_ | gnome-cups-config needs to to add a printer etc. |
| 19:32.39 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: You just know jason_ has something evil in mind. |
| 19:32.49 | lewis | i will paste my /etc/pam.d/ssh mail line... |
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| 19:33.02 | starrider | which package is "netinet/protocols.h" in? |
| 19:33.12 | zinx | lewis: the bash variable is "MAILPATH" |
| 19:33.12 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: I can think of worse things than gnome-cups-config and foomatic-gui and things. |
| 19:33.28 | gravity | linuxconf... <shudder> |
| 19:33.28 | abrotman | !tell starrider about search |
| 19:33.29 | starrider | and "netinet/tcp_ip.h" |
| 19:33.33 | zinx | lewis: oh, i don't know what would cause it, even if you paste your line |
| 19:33.44 | starrider | i googled and apt-cache searched for it |
| 19:33.47 | zinx | lewis: just trying to give you some places to check out :) |
| 19:33.59 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Indeed. Of course those are things that sudo *should* be used for. Unlike some ohter uses we could rant about. |
| 19:34.03 | lewis | I have 'MAIL' and 'MAILDIR' as the correct paths in env |
| 19:34.05 | coywolf | how to make should some debian mirros are safe? ie. the software there are safe, no virus, no trojan... |
| 19:34.07 | lewis | no MAILPATH |
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| 19:34.35 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: xchat! |
| 19:34.41 | starrider | abrotman: do tell me about search |
| 19:34.42 | zinx | coywolf: apt-check-sigs |
| 19:34.43 | jason_ | scarynetworkguy, you use sudo for all administrative stuff? |
| 19:35.37 | scarynetworkguy | jason_: With only a a couple of expections I can't think of any "administrative stuff" that I need, want, or think that a GUI should be used for. |
| 19:35.37 | abrotman | starrider: i did |
| 19:35.39 | abrotman | !tell starrider about search |
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| 19:35.58 | scarynetworkguy | In fact with the printer stuff resiak pretty much summed up the only ones I've been known to use. |
| 19:36.00 | gravity | Synaptic needs a gui |
| 19:36.03 | gravity | Er... root |
| 19:36.14 | lewis | zinx: I appreciate the effort |
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| 19:36.20 | coywolf | zinx, i use aptitude |
| 19:36.28 | jason_ | and synaptic is a very nice app |
| 19:36.30 | gravity | I also run gvim as root |
| 19:36.34 | starrider | ah i knwo why i cant find it |
| 19:36.36 | starrider | its renamed |
| 19:36.42 | gravity | Which is very much an administrative app :-) |
| 19:36.57 | starrider | buried in google |
| 19:37.00 | coywolf | !apt-check-sigs |
| 19:37.02 | coywolf | !apt-check-sig |
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| 19:37.13 | scarynetworkguy | No synaptic causes cancer. |
| 19:37.13 | dabreegster | I'm trying to watch TV with sound with xatitv and gatos and my Rage 128 card. I have video. xatitv gave no errors, yet I still have no sound. Documentation has no advice. |
| 19:37.14 | piantux | oh english here !!!! no please astarwingo go out |
| 19:37.15 | gravity | coywolf: /msg dpkg apt-check-sigs |
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| 19:37.46 | coywolf | zinx, gravity there's no apt-check-sigs |
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| 19:38.06 | kurtak | Quick question- Do you know how i can mount my fat32 drives on boot, but have it them not be owned by root?? I got it to mount at boot, but only root can really use them |
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| 19:38.21 | petemc | kurtak: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 19:38.27 | gravity | god.... woody is so old |
| 19:38.33 | lewis | I am surprised that more people wouldn't have encountered the problem, or let me know how they changed their debian setup for a maildir, as I thought maildirs would be pretty common, considering all of the advantages... |
| 19:38.54 | kurtak | petemc: thanks much |
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| 19:39.44 | resiak | lewis: I use Maildirs. What's wrong with them? |
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| 19:39.45 | gravity | coywolf: debsigs |
| 19:40.06 | gravity | coywolf: see also debsigs-verify |
| 19:40.15 | lewis | I have a missing space in the mail notification when I login with SSH. I get 'you have newmail' or 'you have oldmail' |
| 19:40.19 | gravity | (assuming that's what you really meant) |
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| 19:41.58 | coywolf | gravity, i use aptitude, is it useful too? i mean debsigs |
| 19:42.04 | lewis | resiak: how did you change your debian system to recognize maildir, instead of mbox... |
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| 19:42.36 | gravity | coywolf: I don't know. Download it, read the instructions, and see |
| 19:42.42 | simonrvn | lewis: i just figured it out i think do you have something like dir=~/Maildir/ for pam_mail? |
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| 19:43.02 | lewis | yes |
| 19:43.13 | Scruffy | rep |
| 19:43.43 | Scruffy | pourriez vous m'aider ? |
| 19:43.47 | gravity | !fr |
| 19:43.47 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 19:43.49 | resiak | lewis: I followed an exim-courier-imap-maildir tutorial. |
| 19:43.54 | Scruffy | !dt |
| 19:43.55 | simonrvn | lewis: ok, moment, i'm checking this out |
| 19:43.57 | Scruffy | !de |
| 19:43.57 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 19:45.07 | Zipcat | Hey, I just ordered an AMD64 CPU and MotherBoard. An Intel x86 / i386 will work right? or do I have to wait on an AMD64 Port of Debian? |
| 19:45.21 | lindi- | Zipcat: i386 will work |
| 19:45.28 | Zipcat | k tnks Lindi |
| 19:45.37 | lewis | apologies - disconnected from the wrong IRC server. my maildir is called 'email_data'. I have the following line in /etc/pam.d/login: session optional pam_mail.so standard noenv dir=~/email_data - is the 'noenv' a good idea? |
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| 19:45.44 | directhex | Zipcat, i386 will work, though i doubt debian woody (3.0) will install |
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| 19:46.03 | directhex | Zipcat, i386 sarge has amd64 kernels |
| 19:46.10 | resiak | Is Apt::Default-Release "sarge" meant to work in apt.conf? I'm trying to point my sources.list at Sarge rather than at testing, but dist-upgrade kinda wants to Sidify me (I have unstable sources as per quick sid/sarge mix)... |
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| 19:46.40 | simonrvn | lewis: seems to be a minor bug in the code; remove 'standard' from the pam_mail statement |
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| 19:47.04 | Zipcat | ok so I have to look for Sarge with amd64 kernal. Will do. |
| 19:47.11 | simonrvn | @kernal |
| 19:47.12 | ravenbird | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 19:47.14 | piantux | debian c quoi? plein de problemes de dependances partout ya tjs des problemes partout c pire que mandrake!! et les linuxiens osent critiquer MS Windows mais ma parole c'est le comble!!!!!!!!!! vive le windows MAIS PIRATE! abat debian de merde qui pue les bugs de tous les ytous |
| 19:47.17 | lewis | i have two pam_mail statements - one in login, one in ssh - which one? also, where are you seeing this bug details? |
| 19:47.21 | piantux | debian c quoi? plein de problemes de dependances partout ya tjs des problemes partout c pire que mandrake!! et les linuxiens osent critiquer MS Windows mais ma parole c'est le comble!!!!!!!!!! vive le windows MAIS PIRATE! abat debian de merde qui pue les bugs de tous les ytous |
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| 19:47.22 | piantux | debian c quoi? plein de problemes de dependances partout ya tjs des problemes partout c pire que mandrake!! et les linuxiens osent critiquer MS Windows mais ma parole c'est le comble!!!!!!!!!! vive le windows MAIS PIRATE! abat debian de merde qui pue les bugs de tous les ytous |
| 19:47.24 | piantux | debian c quoi? plein de problemes de dependances partout ya tjs des problemes partout c pire que mandrake!! et les linuxiens osent critiquer MS Windows mais ma parole c'est le comble!!!!!!!!!! vive le windows MAIS PIRATE! abat debian de merde qui pue les bugs de tous les ytous |
| 19:47.25 | piantux | debian c quoi? plein de problemes de dependances partout ya tjs des problemes partout c pire que mandrake!! et les linuxiens osent critiquer MS Windows mais ma parole c'est le comble!!!!!!!!!! vive le windows MAIS PIRATE! abat debian de merde qui pue les bugs de tous les ytous |
| 19:47.30 | gravity | !ops piantux flooding |
| 19:47.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: piantux flooding |
| 19:47.32 | directhex | i said he was a fucktard |
| 19:47.33 | simonrvn | piantux: STFU |
| 19:47.44 | gravity | directhex: You're right but you shouldn't have provoked him |
| 19:47.47 | simonrvn | incompetent fool... |
| 19:47.54 | azbaer | Question about installing woody or sarge |
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| 19:48.01 | directhex | gravity, provoked? i answered his question, in detail, so he repeated. |
| 19:48.05 | priest | is the apt-cacher checking for new header files every time a client ask for it, or is one on time release? |
| 19:48.11 | gravity | directhex: And then you got really angry at him and called him an idiot |
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| 19:48.23 | lewis | simonrvn: did you get my message before the spam? |
| 19:48.31 | _me_ | what is the karma thing for on the bot? |
| 19:48.45 | azbaer | should I install woody and upgrade to sarge in a couple of weeks or just install Sarge testing |
| 19:48.52 | gravity | _me_: Nothing really important. It doesn't get used too often |
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| 19:48.59 | directhex | gravity, the correct response to "i already told you the answer" is "oh yes, i'll read up", not "oh, boo hoo, i'm only a particle physicist" or some shit |
| 19:49.17 | _me_ | k |
| 19:49.18 | gravity | directhex: If he ignores you you simply say "I already told you, scroll up and read it." |
| 19:49.20 | simonrvn | lewis: apt-get install libpam-doc. what *that* says (i'm reading it now) is 'noenv' tells the module to not set the MAIL environment variable for the user |
| 19:49.29 | Hali_303 | hi! has anyone installed asterisk, the open source PBX? I'd have a few questions.. or do you know a good install guide for it? (debian specific preferred) |
| 19:49.34 | gravity | directhex: Not "You're such an idiot. Why can't you read?" |
| 19:49.38 | gravity | directhex: Notice the difference? |
| 19:49.39 | mrplum | I am trying to load a non-open source kernel module for my wireless card, how do I know what version of gcc it was built with? |
| 19:49.47 | mrplum | it keeps telling me invalid module type |
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| 19:49.54 | gravity | azbaer: Depends on you. The sarge install is much easier |
| 19:50.08 | gravity | azbaer: I'd say that if you've never installed Debian before, go with sarge |
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| 19:50.27 | lewis | i'll try removing the 'noenv'. however, I still have MAIL environment set already. |
| 19:50.32 | simonrvn | !irritate gravity |
| 19:50.33 | dpkg | gravity: wenas how can I make my knoppix werkz ????? |
| 19:50.35 | directhex | gravity, the difference is, one of them suggests you need to work on your ability to recognise retards before they make more major displays of their tardery |
| 19:50.53 | directhex | mrplum, that info is in /proc/version |
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| 19:51.11 | directhex | mrplum, but there's more to it than just the gcc version, you need a module compiled for your exact kernel |
| 19:51.15 | azbaer | When its is released ;-p, sarge, will I be a continoius testing path? |
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| 19:51.23 | simonrvn | "tardery"? heh |
| 19:51.37 | directhex | azbaer, depends on whether you're set to use "testing" or "sarge" in sources.list |
| 19:51.37 | piantux | coucou |
| 19:52.07 | azbaer | oh so I can installl sartge then change the apt seetiongd to sarge |
| 19:52.41 | coywolf | Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/debsigs_0.1.14_all.deb ... |
| 19:52.41 | coywolf | debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed. |
| 19:52.43 | lewis | simonrvn: you are a genius |
| 19:52.51 | azbaer | just installed woody, to play Lokie games |
| 19:53.08 | azbaer | rather easy I must say |
| 19:53.10 | simonrvn | lewis: nah |
| 19:53.20 | lewis | simonrvn: I edited /etc/pam.d/ssh - I removed the 'standard' part from the pam_mail.so line. Instead of 'you have newmail' - I now get 'you have new mail in /home/lewis/email_data' - good work |
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| 19:53.42 | gravity | azbaer: Well, if you've got no problem with woody, then there's no trouble at all installing that and changing to sarge. You can change at any point you want. |
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| 19:53.56 | simonrvn | lewis: yeh, the 'standard' thing is the old way according to the docs, i just removed it from mine, as well |
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| 19:54.06 | azbaer | lokie games dont work with 2.6 kernel |
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| 19:54.20 | SEkhm | i have added user1 and user2.. i want that user1 can view user2's home dir.. how to do that? |
| 19:54.31 | lewis | simonrvn: it has removed the 'no mail' message, so when I ssh and there is no mail, it shows nothing, but that is not a problem. |
| 19:54.36 | plugwash | are there downloadable archives of the debian mailing lists or just the web based archives? |
| 19:54.44 | coywolf | what's wrong |
| 19:54.46 | mrplum | directhex, it's for 2.6.x kernels which I have, and I know what I compiled kernel as, but I don' tknow whyt he module won't load |
| 19:54.55 | mrplum | i assume they compiled it with a different version of gcc |
| 19:55.01 | gravity | plugwash: Someone on debian-devel just announced that they had mbox versions available |
| 19:55.05 | simonrvn | lewis: i have yet to see it do that for say courier IMAP or cyrus IMAP (that would be nice) |
| 19:55.15 | gravity | plugwash: Check the list archives (on the web) for the site. It was announced within the last two or three months |
| 19:55.18 | azbaer | thanks gravity i think I have what i was looking for! |
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| 19:55.50 | lewis | simonrvn: i actually have one more question for you. |
| 19:55.51 | directhex | mrplum, that's possible, but as i said, you don't have cases of "2.6.x" modules, you have "2.6.8-2-686-smp version 2.6.8-13" modules |
| 19:56.12 | simonrvn | lewis: shoot, may be able to answer |
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| 19:56.47 | coywolf | what's wrong? Verification on package /var/cache/apt/archives/debsigs_0.1.14_all.deb failed! |
| 19:56.51 | gravity | Ok... need to buy a new LCD, USB Keyboard, and USB Mouse. Anyone have a good suggestion on what site to buy from? |
| 19:56.59 | gravity | I'm at newegg right now... |
| 19:57.01 | simonrvn | hmmm, /me googles for such a pam_mail module... |
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| 19:57.27 | directhex | gravity, dell do some great deals on LCD monitors |
| 19:57.32 | lewis | simonrvn: I am trying to get openwebmail (with a maildir patch) to work on my system. It is a perl-based webmail system with direct access to the maildirs. On first login, it can see the messages in the maildir... On future logins, it moves messages from new/ to cur/ though can't seen them. |
| 19:57.39 | gravity | directhex: Sweet. I'll have a look |
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| 19:58.14 | lewis | simonrvn: openwebmail can see how big the maildir folder is, but can't see the messages. I don't have these problems with sqwebmail. Any suggestions? |
| 19:58.17 | gravity | mwilson: Hopfully to get a better price, plus to avoid lugging it home |
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| 19:58.29 | directhex | because a 20.1" tft for £385 is the kind of offer you don't get on the high street |
| 19:58.31 | simonrvn | lewis: stick with what's working for you? ;) |
| 19:58.38 | lewis | simonrvn: I know it is slightly off-topic, though it is related to debian and maildirs - perhaps you might have a suggestion... |
| 19:58.46 | TwistedEmotions | Sup guys.. |
| 19:58.57 | blafard | I am compiling something and I get the error message /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt. Can someone tell me what package I'm missing? |
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| 19:59.17 | simonrvn | lewis: i don't know openwebmail, sorry |
| 19:59.31 | lewis | simonrvn: ah ok - thanks anyhow |
| 19:59.42 | plugwash | gravity i found http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00060.html but it only seems to have a small subset of the debian lists |
| 19:59.50 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know what kernel I'm suppose to be using from kernel.org? I mean as far as -mm / -ac patch or prepatch? |
| 19:59.56 | directhex | blafard, apt-cache search qt mt dev |
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| 20:00.11 | directhex | TwistedEmotions, you're meant to use a debian kernel-image |
| 20:00.15 | gravity | plugwash: Yeah, that's it |
| 20:00.21 | blafard | I need mt? |
| 20:00.23 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: You're not supposed to be using ANY kernel from kernel.org, if you need to ask questions like that. |
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| 20:00.25 | gravity | plugwash: As far as I know, that's the only stuff available |
| 20:00.25 | jason_ | does debian have a page with security updates or with updates in general? |
| 20:00.35 | TwistedEmotions | directhex: trying to build my own. |
| 20:00.40 | gravity | jason_: Google "Debian Weekly News" |
| 20:00.49 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: Thanks. That really helped. |
| 20:00.51 | directhex | TwistedEmotions, use a debian kernel-source package. and make-kpkg |
| 20:01.11 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: <shrug> Become educated, then. |
| 20:01.30 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: don't |
| 20:01.32 | TwistedEmotions | I'm already running 1.6.12... dont want to downgrade now.. |
| 20:01.37 | TwistedEmotions | i think |
| 20:01.41 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: Then you'll *know* you don't want to use any of those, instead of just being told you don't. |
| 20:01.43 | blafard | directhex: thank you |
| 20:01.57 | TwistedEmotions | 2.6.10-1-686 |
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| 20:02.27 | gravity | hrm... maybe I should just go to best buy. I kind of want to see these things in person before actually buying one |
| 20:02.37 | simonrvn | yes. good idea |
| 20:02.48 | directhex | gravity, sensible, but you'll pay for the privilege |
| 20:02.53 | punsad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.53 | mwilson | gravity: Samsung makes good kit. |
| 20:02.56 | gravity | directhex: True enough |
| 20:03.11 | mwilson | Feh, buying on-line is much overrated. |
| 20:03.31 | mwilson | It's usually not worth the inconvenience. |
| 20:03.38 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: You going to say anything useful or just keep on trying to make me look like an ass? |
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| 20:03.52 | directhex | TwistedEmotions, you learn to love him for it |
| 20:03.54 | jason_ | hmm- so once a security update is added to sid, how long does it take to get to testing (when testing isn't frozen of course). Is it actually more secure to use sid? |
| 20:03.57 | gravity | Well, at the very least I can head over to Best Buy, write down something I like, and check prices |
| 20:04.07 | TwistedEmotions | directhex: Dont think so... |
| 20:04.14 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: If you knew anything about the kernel development process, you would stay far away from stuff you could download from kernel.org. |
| 20:04.18 | directhex | TwistedEmotions, essentially, avoid -mm or -ac patches, if you want to use kernel source use a straight full kernel source package with no funny extras |
| 20:04.24 | gravity | jason_: That depends. Traditionally it's been more secure by default to use sid to some degree, but now testing has security support |
| 20:04.26 | TwistedEmotions | Ohhh...get it... |
| 20:04.28 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: Failing that, you should accept being TOLD to avoid them. |
| 20:04.29 | TwistedEmotions | use 2.6.11.9 |
| 20:04.34 | gravity | jason_: So updates will come the same way they do to stable |
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| 20:04.51 | jason_ | gravity, but, isn't that only the case until sarge is released? |
| 20:04.56 | nelson | gravity: yeah, but that's not exactly fair to Best Buy, is it? They paid to stock the hardware. |
| 20:05.00 | gravity | jason_: Not as far as I know |
| 20:05.09 | simonrvn | if i had money to buy new computer equipment i'd rather buy it at a local comp. shop, and where they knew their shit, than give it to some nameless behemoth of a franchise corporate crap shop |
| 20:05.12 | gravity | nelson: I could give a shit about being fair to Best Buy |
| 20:05.26 | nelson | gravity: well! |
| 20:05.33 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: You didnt explain yourself... you just acted smart so you could make me look like an ass... and dont try to say you did it for my good.. |
| 20:05.43 | gravity | They've screwed me over on rebates in the past. I don't owe them anything |
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| 20:06.26 | jason_ | i'm confused. After sarge is released, won't testing continue to develop and no longer get security updates with sarge? |
| 20:06.33 | InKubus | can anyone recommend a log monitoring solution that can email me regular failed access attempts etc. Preferably prepacked that won't take too much time or reading to set up. |
| 20:06.35 | gravity | simonrvn: I need the monitor and stuff for my B&W G3 :-) |
| 20:06.37 | directhex | TwistedEmotions, io'd suggest reading up on the "/ignore" facility of your irc client, you're likely to never hear a single useful utterance from mwilson |
| 20:06.44 | gravity | jason_: Right |
| 20:06.49 | simonrvn | gravity: woohoo |
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| 20:07.05 | mwilson | directhex: Aw, you're so sweet. |
| 20:07.28 | directhex | mwilson, my pleasure, hot stuff |
| 20:07.31 | TwistedEmotions | directhex: I know how to /ignore... I just never use it... rather tell people to fuck off if needed. |
| 20:07.59 | gravity | jason_: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/secure-testing/ |
| 20:07.59 | jason_ | gravity, so if you use unstable you get security releases immediately? |
| 20:08.02 | Xenguy | InKubus: well 'ippl' will log that kind of thing, and 'logcheck' will email log content to you every hour (or whatever) |
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| 20:08.06 | gravity | jason_: Not necessarily |
| 20:08.14 | jason_ | i thought they come out with woody |
| 20:08.17 | mwilson | ippl is orphaned |
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| 20:08.30 | InKubus | xenguy: thanks that's exactly what i'm looking for :) |
| 20:08.34 | mwilson | Actually, I think it might have been dropped from sarge, although I disremember. |
| 20:08.48 | astronut | anyone have any experience with the 'dansguardian' web content filtering tool? |
| 20:09.07 | Xenguy | InKubus: yw. Depending on what you need, you may only need the 2nd one, but the 1st is very nice too I find |
| 20:09.23 | InKubus | ok, i'll have a scout on google thanks xenguy/mwilson :) |
| 20:10.15 | mwilson | hm, ippl got adopted again in march |
| 20:10.20 | jason_ | gravity, i only see patches for woody and sid on http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 20:10.25 | Xenguy | mwilson: hrm, I'll have to check that then... |
| 20:10.47 | Cope | mwilson: was going to say I didn't see ippl on the orphaned list when I was scanning it today.... |
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| 20:10.52 | mwilson | Oh, but it's Haber... no reason to bother with it, then. |
| 20:10.54 | Xenguy | mwilson: ahh, OK, I knew it was still in sid anyway |
| 20:11.19 | InKubus | it's pulling it down now :) |
| 20:11.26 | InKubus | take care all |
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| 20:11.33 | Xenguy | mwilson: do you know of an alternative to 'ippl' BTW? |
| 20:11.58 | mwilson | Xenguy: You could always use snort. |
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| 20:12.31 | gravity | jason_: Did you look at the link I just gave you? |
| 20:12.34 | giupy | do i need libavcodec to compile mplayer or just libavcodec-dev ? |
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| 20:13.13 | takatumi | giupy: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:13.22 | giupy | k |
| 20:13.24 | Xenguy | mwilson: I looked at snort quite a while ago. Everyone says good things about it, but I remember thinking it was a more complex tool than what I really needed |
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| 20:13.42 | giupy | takatumi but i want to compile it |
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| 20:14.00 | mwilson | Xenguy: <shrug> There are maintainers I avoid. Haber is one. d'Itri is another. If it works for you, more power to you. |
| 20:14.14 | abdullah | how to get debian boot graphically???? |
| 20:14.21 | mwilson | abdullah: You don't. |
| 20:14.46 | Xenguy | mwilson: Sure enough. I don't know any of these people personally, so ignorance is still bliss for me ;-) |
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| 20:16.22 | saudiguy | how to get debian boot graphically???? |
| 20:16.30 | resiak | !tell saudiguy -about bootsplash |
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| 20:17.14 | dfzi | anyone knows if mutt supports more accounts than just 1 per user? |
| 20:17.29 | resiak | dfzi: Embrace fetchmail! |
| 20:17.37 | giupy | takatumi well, thanks, there is libavcode pkg too :) |
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| 20:17.43 | Flimzy | dfzi: It can be set up to support multiple IMAP/POP3 accounts, if that's what you mean. Altho it's a bit clumsy last I used it. I'd suggest fetchmail. |
| 20:17.53 | Flimzy | dfzi: Or perhaps offline imap, depending on your needs. |
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| 20:18.23 | dfzi | Flimzy, but i still need fetchmail/sendmail to use mutt? |
| 20:18.37 | mwilson | dfzi: You need an MTA, yes. |
| 20:18.39 | Flimzy | dfzi: mutt has built-in IMAP support. Not sure about POP3. |
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| 20:18.47 | Flimzy | dfzi: you definately need an MTA |
| 20:18.52 | mwilson | It has pop3 support, yes. |
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| 20:19.18 | dfzi | Flimzy, what MTA:s there are? are exim4 and fetchmail different MTA:s? |
| 20:19.28 | Flimzy | exim is an MTA |
| 20:19.29 | mwilson | fetchmail is a MDA, not an MTA |
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| 20:19.36 | giupy | same error |
| 20:19.40 | dfzi | MDA is equivalent for... ? |
| 20:19.46 | resiak | Mail delivery agent. |
| 20:19.48 | Xenguy | mail delivery agent |
| 20:19.48 | Flimzy | fetchmail just fetches mail, then gives it to the MTA (or drops it in a local mailbox directly) |
| 20:19.59 | dfzi | ok |
| 20:20.08 | takatumi | giupy: libavcodeccvs 20050427-0.0 is what I have. |
| 20:20.12 | dfzi | maybe it would be better if i would read some tutorial about having linux mail system :-) |
| 20:20.15 | Flimzy | dfzi: To answer your question, tho, I use sendmail, postfix, courier, exim, and smail. Depending on my needs. |
| 20:20.20 | Xenguy | dfzi: I'm pretty sure there's a HOWTO out there somewhere |
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| 20:20.55 | dfzi | yea, but any recommendations where i could search for the tutorial? |
| 20:21.12 | Flimzy | dfzi: google |
| 20:21.12 | Xenguy | dfzi: tldp.net (org?) for one |
| 20:21.22 | takatumi | dfzi: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
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| 20:21.37 | BinaryX | I just installed sarge from netinstall iso and then selected desktop environment and downloaded that now i get a text based login, and i can type "X" and it will start X but no KDE, how would i get it to do a graphical login and start them both together ? |
| 20:21.39 | TwistedEmotions | For kernel to support Hyperthreading... SMT is needed and Symmetric multi-processing support? |
| 20:21.40 | mwilson | Hm, this NSLU2 is *almost* enough to make me consider buying Linksys kit again... |
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| 20:21.53 | dfzi | takatumi, ty |
| 20:22.06 | takatumi | BinaryX: install gdm or similar. |
| 20:22.45 | BinaryX | i thought desktop environment would include everything i need? |
| 20:22.48 | BinaryX | k |
| 20:22.49 | kwassari | I have an internationalisation problem. (using testing). i want my system to be set to portuguese, while i need japanese support, with IME; seems like any attempt to have canna/kinput2 running will cause the portuguese locales to break; the us_intl layout doesn't respond either. also detected the russian phonetic layout for keyboard doesn't seem to work. |
| 20:23.35 | dfzi | Flimzy, why so many programs? |
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| 20:23.47 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone? Hyperthreading? |
| 20:23.47 | Flimzy | dfzi: Like I said... depending on my needs. |
| 20:24.00 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: No wise comments? |
| 20:24.18 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: To what? |
| 20:24.21 | gravity | BinaryX: startx, not "X" |
| 20:24.30 | kwassari | do anyone have a clue of what can be done? |
| 20:24.33 | thingfish | TwistedEmotions: to use HT, you need the smp option. |
| 20:24.43 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: I already said you had no business building your own kernel... you wanted me to continue? |
| 20:24.52 | TwistedEmotions | thingfish: Thanks... |
| 20:24.54 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: I thought we were done with that. |
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| 20:25.05 | BinaryX | gravity;) , do i type startx ? |
| 20:25.09 | dfzi | Flimzy, uh. ok. sounds kinda complicated. and there really isn't any that could fulfill your needs 100% ? :& |
| 20:25.31 | drac | !tell Xinux[Away] about away |
| 20:25.40 | thingfish | TwistedEmotions: building a kernel on your own is not a trivial thing to do. There is very much that can go wrong. |
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| 20:25.54 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: I thought you were gonna shut up... but you didnt did you? So today has proved to be a day of surprises! |
| 20:25.55 | Xinux[Away] | dude |
| 20:25.58 | Xinux[Away] | i just changed my nick |
| 20:26.01 | Xinux[Away] | calm the fuck down |
| 20:26.03 | Xenguy | thingfish: so is it true to say that to "turn off hyper-threading", one would simply remove SMP from the kernel and recompile? |
| 20:26.05 | Flimzy | dfzi: Is there a single car that can fulfill 100% of a person's needs? No. Of course not. Sometimes you need a pickup. Sometimes a 2-door sedan. Sometimes a semi truck. It depends on what you're doing with you vehicle. |
| 20:26.12 | _keroppi_ | How do you get the ipw2100 module to load its device as eth1 instead of eth2? I used to have the device as eth1, but now compiling it with a new kernel, it has arbitrarily changed... |
| 20:26.20 | Xinux[Away] | it's not a click "Away" it's just where i put [Away] on the end |
| 20:26.20 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: Uh, who approached who, here? |
| 20:26.26 | kwassari | think no.. thanks anyways. |
| 20:26.36 | TwistedEmotions | thingfish: I know... but if I do it and fuck up.. not major and I need to learn anyways |
| 20:26.39 | Xinux[Away] | btw alot of people ask me questions, so I would want to let them know im away |
| 20:27.11 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: I didnt ask you for help.. |
| 20:27.11 | thingfish | Xenguy: the easiest way to "turn off hyperthreading" would be to boot to a non-smp kernel. |
| 20:27.18 | thingfish | TwistedEmotions: there is only one way to learn, that is true. |
| 20:27.18 | dfzi | Flimzy, but software cannot be compared to hardware, imo ;) |
| 20:27.22 | mwilson | [13:24] <TwistedEmotions> mwilson: No wise comments? |
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| 20:27.33 | ribnitz | hello |
| 20:27.35 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: You didn't? |
| 20:27.37 | Xenguy | thingfish: OK, but basically non-hyperthreading == non-SMP ? |
| 20:27.50 | js_ | do i need to patch a vanilla kernel in order to get S-ATA support? |
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| 20:28.07 | thingfish | Xenguy: yes. One needs SMP to use HT. |
| 20:28.07 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: haha... and you didnt start with me like 30 minutes ago? |
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| 20:28.20 | abrotman | js_: not likel |
| 20:28.21 | BinaryX | I just installed sarge from netinstall iso and then selected desktop environment and downloaded that now i get a text based login, and i can type "X" and it will start X but no KDE, how would i get it to do a graphical login and start them both together ? |
| 20:28.22 | abrotman | js_: not likely |
| 20:28.30 | ribnitz | Xenguy: SMP can also be done with a multi-cpu system |
| 20:28.36 | BinaryX | i just apt-get install kdm |
| 20:28.40 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: And I *quit*. Like I said, you re-opened the conversation, not me. |
| 20:28.41 | Xenguy | thingfish: thanks, I was trying to understand who was affected by this latest 'hyperthreading scare' |
| 20:28.42 | Flimzy | dfzi: Well I'll tell you what... why don't you write an MTA that does 100% of everything I need, and does it efficiently. Then I'll use that. |
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| 20:28.44 | Xinux[Away] | apt-get install a-life |
| 20:28.46 | liable | BinaryX: tes |
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| 20:28.54 | liable | BinaryX: yes |
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| 20:28.59 | thingfish | Xenguy: although you can have two non-hyperthreading cpus (or more) and it would still be SMP. |
| 20:29.04 | yarddog | apt-get kill Xinux |
| 20:29.05 | Xenguy | ribnitz: yes, OK |
| 20:29.11 | ribnitz | BinaryX: install a display manager (xdm, wdm, kdm, gdm) |
| 20:29.17 | BinaryX | then at text login i typed "kdm" and it worked |
| 20:29.30 | Xenguy | thingfish: OK, but HT *requires* SMP enabled in the kernel, yes? |
| 20:29.32 | garung | does anyone know how come *** Found your hostname check is so long? it takes about 1 munites |
| 20:29.37 | Xinux[Away] | apt-get install yarddogs-money |
| 20:29.39 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: That's fine.. Ill take the blame for starting this one... |
| 20:29.39 | thingfish | Xenguy: yes. |
| 20:29.41 | garung | do you know how can i speed it up? |
| 20:29.46 | BinaryX | now i logged in graphically and have only wallpaper |
| 20:29.48 | liable | BinaryX: next time you reboot, it will go straigh to kdm |
| 20:29.49 | Xenguy | thingfish: thanks for that |
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| 20:29.53 | Flimzy | dfzi: Tell me... what is you favorite word processor? |
| 20:29.53 | BinaryX | no icons |
| 20:29.57 | thingfish | Xenguy: my pleasure. |
| 20:29.59 | ribnitz | Xenguy: but If you have one cpu, which does not do HT (generally ht starts at 2.8-3 ghz), then use the non-smp kernel |
| 20:30.00 | BinaryX | sweet |
| 20:30.11 | JCor | garung: identd port open? |
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| 20:30.24 | garung | i don't have idend install |
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| 20:30.29 | BinaryX | thanks you guys |
| 20:30.30 | Xenguy | ribnitz: yes, that makes sense |
| 20:30.35 | Xenguy | ribnitz: tx |
| 20:30.52 | JCor | garung that might be why, server may be trying to contact it |
| 20:30.53 | garung | JCor, do i need to open port 53 in my iptables? |
| 20:31.01 | ribnitz | I am looking for some app that can do thumbnails or other nice things to get an overview over a few (approx 900) jpegs |
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| 20:31.18 | Flimzy | ribnitz: There are countless programs to do that. |
| 20:31.22 | ribnitz | Xenguy: and non-intel-cpus dont do ht. |
| 20:31.25 | takatumi | ribnitz: pornview |
| 20:31.25 | Flimzy | ribnitz: google and freshmeat are your friends |
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| 20:31.35 | JCor | if you are firewalled, you may have to open it on your router too.. failing identd queries can stop you from even logging in to some IRC servers |
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| 20:32.07 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know under Kernel configuration where to add bootsplash support? |
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| 20:32.18 | garung | JCor: already open it on my router |
| 20:32.22 | Xenguy | ribnitz: go AMD :-) |
| 20:32.44 | thingfish | yes, AMD is really where the excitement is these days. |
| 20:32.44 | Flimzy | Is HT worth anything in reality? |
| 20:32.52 | ryman| | hi guys, I'm new to linux and I'm trying to install debian. |
| 20:32.53 | thingfish | Flimzy: sure. |
| 20:33.01 | ribnitz | Xenguy: I have a 3.2 Ghz intel, with ht. |
| 20:33.02 | Flimzy | thingfish: Is it worth the $? |
| 20:33.15 | creature | Depends what you do, IMHO. |
| 20:33.24 | liable | TwistedEmotions: you have to patch it, and you prolly need to use a vanilla kernel |
| 20:33.32 | thingfish | Flimzy: sure, if you like to have a lot of apps open at once, it helps. |
| 20:33.37 | Xenguy | ribnitz: will you be de-activating HT then, or are you waiting ? |
| 20:33.38 | Flimzy | HT is sorta fake SMP, no? Multiple threads running on the same physical CPU simultaneously? (in a nutshell) |
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| 20:33.47 | TwistedEmotions | liable: kk.. thanks. |
| 20:34.07 | thingfish | yes, it's kind of fake SMP. |
| 20:34.08 | BinaryX | ok i still don't see icons but i still have just wallpaper |
| 20:34.10 | Flimzy | thingfish: Lots of "apps" open? Or do you just mean multiple active processes? |
| 20:34.32 | BinaryX | should i apt-get another part of KDE or something? |
| 20:34.35 | Flimzy | thingfish: Because most of my processes aren't "applications"... at least not in the typical desktop user sense. |
| 20:34.42 | thingfish | Flimzy: let's say lots of cpu-intensive activity. |
| 20:35.09 | thingfish | where you would have processes competing for cpu time. |
| 20:35.18 | Flimzy | thingfish: So basically if you would benefit from SMP, you'd benefit from HT? |
| 20:35.22 | TwistedEmotions | make menuconfig with no options changes setup for my existing kernel ? |
| 20:35.26 | Flimzy | And even more from SMP+HT |
| 20:35.44 | Flimzy | TwistedEmotions: that will use the kernel package's default settings, which are probaly worthless for you. |
| 20:35.55 | TwistedEmotions | thingfish: I added SMP + HT support... didnt see much difference.. if any. |
| 20:36.00 | BinaryX | I just installed sarge from netinstall iso and then selected desktop environment and downloaded that now i get a text based login, and i can type "X" and it will start X but no KDE, how would i get it to do a graphical login and start them both together ? |
| 20:36.03 | Flimzy | TwistedEmotions: Unless you're running on a 386 CPU with no mathcoprocessor, etc :P |
| 20:36.03 | thingfish | Flimzy: yes, although of course having two actual processors is always goign to be better than one with HT. |
| 20:36.12 | abrotman | !moo |
| 20:36.13 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 20:36.16 | directhex | Zipcat, i don't read /msg's on freenode. and ia64 has nothing to do with amd64, no |
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| 20:36.52 | Flimzy | thingfish: I'm thinking of getting a new(er) system in the next 3-4 mos... just considering Intel (for the first time since my P75, really) |
| 20:36.56 | TwistedEmotions | Flimzy: kk thanks |
| 20:36.58 | thingfish | TwistedEmotions: Tom's Hardware Guide used to have a video demonstrating the advantages to HT. |
| 20:37.02 | Flimzy | altho I'll probably still choose Athlon 64 |
| 20:37.14 | BinaryX | trying apt-get install kde |
| 20:37.25 | thingfish | Flimzy: I would go with AMD for sure, although I like my current p4. |
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| 20:37.46 | directhex | thingfish, dual core, tbh |
| 20:37.46 | thingfish | Flimzy: try for one of the dual-core AMDs that will be out soon. |
| 20:37.54 | TwistedEmotions | thingfish: Not saying there isnt a difference... just saying I didnt see *much* a difference... was expecting major difference I suppose... so I was disappointed. |
| 20:37.57 | directhex | intel dual cores will hit retail before amd |
| 20:37.59 | Flimzy | thingfish: I probably won't be able to afford anything that new. |
| 20:38.10 | MobyTurbo | BinaryX: use "startx" to start X, |
| 20:38.14 | Flimzy | thingfish: And I don't see why dual core would be much help if I can compile everything for 64-bit anyway. |
| 20:38.24 | thingfish | TwistedEmotions: yeah, it's not always readily apparent. |
| 20:38.38 | directhex | TwistedEmotions, do you WANT the technical reasons that HT isn't very useful? |
| 20:38.42 | TwistedEmotions | Dual core cpu's are going to be badass but truthfully that's a bit overboard.. |
| 20:39.15 | Flimzy | directhex: I do :) |
| 20:39.18 | thingfish | TwistedEmotions: shhh! |
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| 20:39.25 | TwistedEmotions | directhex: Just saying I changed to running a kernel with HT support and I didnt see hardcore difference. |
| 20:39.42 | BinaryX | ok MobyTurbo |
| 20:39.54 | Flimzy | TwistedEmotions: You'll notice differences when your CPU is maxed out (or nearly maxed out) a lot. |
| 20:39.54 | ribnitz | thingfish: I heard amd is more bang for the buck. |
| 20:40.03 | MobyTurbo | BinaryX: if that doesn't work add "startkde" to ~/.xsession |
| 20:40.05 | Flimzy | TwistedEmotions: On a typical desktop, the CPU is 99.9% idle 99.9% of the time. |
| 20:40.06 | TwistedEmotions | thingfish: Haha... they will be nice... but just run dualprocessors... probably cheaper too.. |
| 20:40.16 | thingfish | ribnitz: that's what I've been seeing. |
| 20:40.16 | TwistedEmotions | Flimzy: True.. |
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| 20:40.35 | Aronofsky | hio |
| 20:40.39 | Flimzy | Did anyone see the deal on slashdot a couple weeks ago about the hybrid AMD/Intel board? |
| 20:40.45 | BinaryX | ok |
| 20:40.51 | thingfish | They'll come down in price, AMD and Intel will get into some serious competition soon I suspect. |
| 20:40.55 | Flimzy | I honestly don't see the point in that... who doesn't knwo which brand chip they want when they buy their mobo? |
| 20:40.55 | ribnitz | Flimzy: you mean amds are not capable to run at 95% cpu load over prolonged time? |
| 20:40.58 | Aronofsky | can anyone tell me why it is not possible anymore to get amule from apt ? |
| 20:41.01 | directhex | Flimzy, hyperthreading allows for two execution units rather than one. however, pentium 4 design means it has a very very long pipeline (i.e. it takes many cycles for something to actually get calculated). because it has only two execution units, and not two of anything else, if EITHER execution stalls for any reason (e.g. a branch prediction was incorrect), then both pipelines restart, not just one |
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| 20:41.14 | BinaryX | thanks MobyTurbo |
| 20:41.28 | Flimzy | ribnitz: No. I mean most desktops aren't doing anything most of the time. |
| 20:41.35 | MobyTurbo | np |
| 20:41.41 | Flimzy | ribnitz: Regardless of what CPU you're using. |
| 20:41.43 | ribnitz | Flimzy: thats true. |
| 20:41.50 | thingfish | yeah, that long pipeline kills the p4. |
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| 20:42.11 | Flimzy | directhex: Alrighty. You just convinced me not to use Intel (not that I was really very likely to anyway :) |
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| 20:42.21 | directhex | long pipelines are fine in highly predictable scenarios where you're not gonna get stalls |
| 20:42.26 | directhex | e.g. media encoding |
| 20:42.29 | ribnitz | Flimzy: again, unless you use a resource-hungry desktop like kde or gnome, but that its mostly mem or storage, and not computing power |
| 20:42.31 | TwistedEmotions | Why cant AMD make a better freaking chip so I can switch? |
| 20:42.31 | Flimzy | directhex: Unless, of course, I find a used Intel on the market at a dirt cheap price or something |
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| 20:42.42 | BinaryX | MobyTurbo;) do i add that command to a particular part of the file or at the end after the end declaration ? |
| 20:42.44 | thingfish | directhex funny that's one thing the p4 excels at. |
| 20:42.50 | directhex | TwistedEmotions, eh? athlon 64 beats pentium into the ground |
| 20:42.59 | thingfish | absolutely |
| 20:43.05 | Flimzy | ribnitz: I'm running KDE, Xchat, Firefox, GAIM, XMMS... My CPU is at 3.7% usage right now. |
| 20:43.16 | thingfish | athlon 64 for games, especially, there is no other cpu. |
| 20:43.19 | Flimzy | ribnitz: 2Ghz Athlon |
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| 20:43.26 | ribnitz | Flimzy: as I said. not cpu intensive. |
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| 20:43.31 | trend | hello |
| 20:43.39 | liable | BinaryX: no, dont add anything to anything |
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| 20:43.43 | trend | got a question.. I am trying to remove sunrpc.. |
| 20:43.45 | samuel | sup all |
| 20:43.45 | trend | so i do: |
| 20:43.46 | Flimzy | ribnitz: Only using ~320mb of RAM, too (not counting buffers or cache), out of 1gb. |
| 20:43.51 | trend | debian:/etc/rc2.d# update-rc.d portmap remove |
| 20:43.52 | trend | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/portmap exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
| 20:43.54 | Aronofsky | anyone can tell me why it is not possible anymore to get amule from apt ? |
| 20:43.55 | Flimzy | ribnitz: Of course 320mb of RAM used would kill a system with 256mb... heh |
| 20:43.57 | TwistedEmotions | directhex: Errr... really? I've seen comparisons... not too hardcore of a difference in either.. |
| 20:43.57 | samuel | question about qemu, i can install win2k on it it fine, without problems... but when i shut down windows i can never start it up again - it just says - NTLDR boot failure - what gives? what is the correct way to shutdown qemu? |
| 20:44.06 | trend | should I -f ? |
| 20:44.13 | Flimzy | I remember when moving a window in X caused my MP3 playing to skip. |
| 20:44.14 | directhex | TwistedEmotions, factor in cost |
| 20:44.23 | DuaneAllman | hello, I installed swat to configure samba, any of you knows how do I access the web interface? |
| 20:44.24 | TwistedEmotions | directhex: True.. |
| 20:44.41 | TwistedEmotions | gonna catch breakfast... brb... |
| 20:45.08 | Flimzy | breakfast? heh |
| 20:45.11 | Flimzy | I need some dinner |
| 20:45.16 | BinaryX | i tried the startx at the prompt and it did nothing |
| 20:45.29 | BinaryX | what do you recommend liable ? |
| 20:45.35 | ribnitz | Flimzy: Over here: 97% idle (3.2ghz p4, 1gig ram). 200mb mem used. XFCE4, and a few xterms. |
| 20:45.43 | BinaryX | it's just kde not working properly |
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| 20:45.47 | liable | BinaryX: you have installed kde and kdm? |
| 20:45.58 | BinaryX | i just installed kdm |
| 20:46.10 | [Granger] | aptitude -r install kdm |
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| 20:46.21 | BinaryX | shall i apt-get install kde ? |
| 20:46.34 | [Granger] | no, I just gave you the command |
| 20:46.40 | liable | BinaryX: I thought you said you did that? |
| 20:46.49 | Aronofsky | please , can you answer me , sould I add some sources or what ? |
| 20:47.09 | BinaryX | it has kde and kdm i thnk |
| 20:47.22 | [Granger] | Aronofsky: ask the software maintainer |
| 20:47.25 | BinaryX | i'll try that Granger |
| 20:47.25 | ribnitz | directhex: P4 isnt superscalar.. |
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| 20:47.29 | [Granger] | we don't keep track of everything around here |
| 20:47.36 | thingfish | man, I bet Far Cry would be awesome on an amd64, especially with a nice vidcard. |
| 20:47.40 | liable | BinaryX: type 'kdm' |
| 20:47.52 | samuel | question about qemu, i can install win2k on it it fine, without problems... but when i shut down windows i can never start it up again - it just says - NTLDR boot failure - what gives? what is the correct way to shutdown qemu? |
| 20:48.00 | [Granger] | sigh |
| 20:48.06 | [Granger] | quit repeating |
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| 20:48.11 | liable | samuel: #ubuntu |
| 20:48.35 | BinaryX | i have typed "kdm" and it started up GUI but it only goes to login and then after that it has no desktop icons only wallpaper |
| 20:48.46 | [Granger] | then you don't have kde installed |
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| 20:48.46 | [Granger] | euh |
| 20:48.49 | [Granger] | duh* |
| 20:48.50 | directhex | thingfish, the patch improves the game because amd paid for it, not because it actually uses the features of amd64 |
| 20:48.59 | liable | BinaryX: check what seesion you logged into |
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| 20:49.16 | [Granger] | if you selected KDE as login, and you get no kicker |
| 20:49.20 | [Granger] | you don't have a complete kde install |
| 20:49.33 | ribnitz | thingfish: its like tohse games you get bundled with your gfx card. |
| 20:49.42 | thingfish | directhex: oh well. |
| 20:50.00 | _keroppi_ | So does anyone know how devices are assigned to eth* as the modules are loaded? For some reason with a 2.6.10 kernel my ipw2100 is loading as eth2, and used to be eth1 on kernel 2.6.8... |
| 20:50.34 | [Granger] | _keroppi_: why does it matter? |
| 20:50.52 | blafard | how can I find out what device is assigned to something I have plugged into usb? |
| 20:51.01 | directhex | _keroppi_, they're assigned in the order the modules are loaded |
| 20:51.01 | Flimzy | _keroppi_: basically, whichever one it "finds" first is assigned first. |
| 20:51.04 | [Granger] | blafard: lsusb |
| 20:51.12 | Flimzy | _keroppi_: it can be seemingly "random" |
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| 20:51.30 | Flimzy | _keroppi_: You can specify the order on the kernel commandline, tho. eth0=IRQ,IOport or something |
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| 20:51.45 | Flimzy | _keroppi_: I'm sure there's specific instructions in the kernel documentation (/usr/src/linux/Documentation) |
| 20:51.52 | thingfish | tomshardware.com has a good article currently on the Athlon 64 X2. |
| 20:51.57 | _keroppi_ | [Granger]: You just get used to typing the same device over and over, and I have all kinds of scripts and configurations based on eth1, so if it's an easy fix, I'd like to change it back... |
| 20:52.01 | Flimzy | thingfish: what's the X2? |
| 20:52.04 | astronut | what changes do i have to make in the default squid conf (provided with debian) to allow it to proxy properly for traffic redirected to it with iptables? |
| 20:52.08 | liable | _keroppi_: ifrename |
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| 20:52.21 | directhex | thingfish, many people have looked at x2, tghough i'd usually not look at Tom's for impoartial opinion on amd/intel or nvidia/ati |
| 20:52.26 | directhex | Flimzy, dual core |
| 20:52.27 | thingfish | Flimzy: AMD's dual-core chip for desktops. |
| 20:52.32 | Flimzy | ahh |
| 20:52.32 | Flimzy | blah |
| 20:52.35 | Flimzy | I don't think I even want one of those |
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| 20:52.47 | thingfish | directhex hehe I know, he's pretty blatantly pro-AMD. |
| 20:52.50 | Flimzy | I suppose it _might_ be useful for dual-boot... since Windows is still 32-bit |
| 20:52.56 | Flimzy | but in Linux, there's no advantage, is there? |
| 20:52.57 | blafard | [Granger]: does lsusb tell me where in /dev my thing is? |
| 20:53.02 | _keroppi_ | liable: Thanks |
| 20:53.20 | liable | _keroppi_: yw |
| 20:53.20 | [Granger] | blegh |
| 20:53.21 | directhex | Flimzy, meh? what do you understand dual core to mean? |
| 20:53.25 | [Granger] | you guys really need to keep up |
| 20:53.32 | Flimzy | directhex: maybe I'm confusing terms... |
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| 20:53.40 | Flimzy | directhex: the 64-bit and 32-bit instructin set is what I was thinking of. |
| 20:53.46 | BinaryX | i just typed "apt-get install kde" and now it's adding other stuff including kicker |
| 20:53.46 | [Granger] | first off, there are 64bit versions of linux AND windows |
| 20:53.48 | Flimzy | directhex: 64-bit core, and 32-bit core. |
| 20:53.59 | directhex | Flimzy, all amd64 chips (including intel em64t) execute i386 instructions |
| 20:54.03 | ribnitz | Flimzy: this ht/dual core things basically only better management of cpu idle times. |
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| 20:54.21 | Flimzy | [Granger]: Sure there are. But I don't have a 64-bit version of Windows, and proably won't for a very long time. And even the 64-bit versions have a lot of legacy crap in them. |
| 20:54.22 | [Granger] | secondly, AMD64 X2 is just two AMD cores glued onto one die |
| 20:54.22 | directhex | Flimzy, dual core is basically dual-processor on a single processor package |
| 20:54.25 | [Granger] | that's about it |
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| 20:54.35 | Flimzy | directhex: Ahh |
| 20:54.38 | Flimzy | directhex: Well that's not so bad then. |
| 20:54.40 | [Granger] | Flimzy: and how do you know that? |
| 20:55.03 | Flimzy | [Granger]: Which? That I dn't ahve Win64? b/c I know what licenses I own. |
| 20:55.08 | donww | Any tips for a good bootable Debian rescue CD? Timos is not an option, because the Timos kernel panics on this hardware, and all I want to do is be able to boot 'linux root=/dev/hda1 single' and fix my FUBARed kernel. |
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| 20:55.15 | Flimzy | [Granger]: Re: Win64 having legacy code... I know that from my experience with M$ in the past. |
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| 20:55.31 | Flimzy | [Granger]: And knowledge of (at least their old) 64-bit versions. |
| 20:55.38 | directhex | Flimzy, win16 is gone from xp x64 ed. which is annoying actually |
| 20:55.41 | [Granger] | ya sure, 32-bit legacy code in a 64bit os |
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| 20:55.59 | [Granger] | it's about time 16bit got buried |
| 20:56.01 | ribnitz | donww: depends on your setup, knoppix is not too bad for fixcing things |
| 20:56.03 | directhex | Flimzy, win32 remains, via "WOW64", which behaves a lot like "WOW" did to allow win16 core on win32 |
| 20:56.08 | liable | donww: http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 20:56.16 | B_Raven | Having a weird problem with udev where I have to reconfigure alsa every time I reboot. anyone know where the udev log file is located, so I can see if it tells me anything useful? |
| 20:56.22 | [Granger] | he wow64 |
| 20:56.23 | Radiance | Any one had to change his MTU size on his router ? ( in the scenario of using cable or dsl) |
| 20:56.24 | Flimzy | [Granger]: XP 64 may be a new story... But I'd be incredibly surprised, considering that M$ is always slow at getting rid of old crap. |
| 20:56.31 | Flimzy | directhex: ya mean Win32s? |
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| 20:56.38 | [Granger] | we'll see |
| 20:56.41 | donww | ribnitz: Knoppix, IIRC, doesn't allow me to just hand LILO a command line and go, and this is going to be best fixed by just booting with a working kernel. |
| 20:56.46 | ribnitz | Radiance: nope, not usually. |
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| 20:56.48 | donww | liable: Looking into it; thanks... |
| 20:56.57 | Flimzy | [Granger]: I know for a fact that the "64-bit" versions of WinNT (for PPC and Alpha) ran almost entirely 32-bit code. |
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| 20:57.08 | directhex | Flimzy, "Windows On Windows" is the set of libs that allow 32bit-only windows nt to run 16 bit legacy crap, be it win16 or msdos |
| 20:57.16 | Radiance | ribnitz, okay heh |
| 20:57.25 | Flimzy | directhex: ahh, I gotcha. the backward-compatibility layer. |
| 20:57.27 | [Granger] | heh that's Windows NT |
| 20:57.33 | Flimzy | directhex: That's better than Win32's "forward compatibility layer" :P |
| 20:57.40 | [Granger] | they've advanced quite a bit since 4.0 |
| 20:57.46 | directhex | Flimzy, the same is in windows x64 ed, to run win32 code on xp64 |
| 20:57.48 | Flimzy | [Granger]: WinNT 64-bit is _still_ 64-bit Windows. |
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| 20:58.05 | ribnitz | Radiance: all you usually do is enter uname/pwd and check vci/vpi (8/35 in europe) |
| 20:58.17 | [Granger] | Flimzy: as I said |
| 20:58.17 | [Granger] | we'll see |
| 20:58.20 | Flimzy | directhex: So can i run WOW(16) within WOW32 on XP64? |
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| 20:58.33 | directhex | Flimzy, no, apparently not |
| 20:58.38 | Flimzy | directhex: And more importantly, will my 8-bit Apple II emulator for DOS run in it? :P |
| 20:58.48 | [Granger] | bah Flimzy you suck :P |
| 20:58.50 | [Granger] | and you're old |
| 20:59.05 | Flimzy | 25 years old |
| 20:59.10 | directhex | Flimzy, it causes a lot of problems, where Installshield usually has a 16-bit installer stub (to issue error messages when you try to install on a non-approved windows version for a particular app) |
| 20:59.16 | _keroppi_ | liable: Does ifrename run on startup automatically? |
| 20:59.36 | BinaryX | i just typed "apt-get install kde" and now it's adding other stuff including kicker, NOW it's rebooting to an upgraded kde |
| 20:59.36 | Radiance | ribnitz, yes, i just isolated it to the dns servers, they're slow at resolving, causing the delays |
| 20:59.41 | BinaryX | SUCCESS! |
| 20:59.58 | BinaryX | thanks for the help!! |
| 21:00.16 | liable | _keroppi_: I havent used it, but would imagine so, look at the man page |
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| 21:00.57 | liable | _keroppi_: I would imagine, it alters some configs somewhere |
| 21:01.11 | Flimzy | Does anyone have knowledge of hardware MPEG encoders supported by Linux? I'm thinking of buying one, looking for purchasing advice/recommendations. |
| 21:01.14 | Solet | is there a way i can view, with time stamps, the contents of all data sent and received through my 802.11 card? |
| 21:01.30 | directhex | Flimzy, sounds like #mythtv-users knowledge |
| 21:01.32 | [Granger] | Flimzy: <insert high end hauppauge card here> |
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| 21:01.47 | _keroppi_ | liable: Okay, it doesn't really say it's run automatically, but says that's it's useful in scripts like hotplug and init... Where can I have it run? |
| 21:01.50 | ribnitz | Solet: somep ackage sniffer? airsnort? |
| 21:01.54 | Flimzy | directhex: I've already polled them. Their knowledge is asleep right now. |
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| 21:02.04 | [Granger] | heh |
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| 21:02.10 | Flimzy | [Granger]: Yeah... the PVR-350. But I know there has to be more than that. |
| 21:02.11 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 21:02.20 | _keroppi_ | liable: Ah, it already has an entry in /etc/init.d/ifrename, so I guess it loads automatically... |
| 21:02.32 | Flimzy | [Granger]: For instance, I recall that when DVD drives were bleeding edge, Linux first had DVD support for a Creative Labs DVD drive/hardware decoder combo. |
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| 21:02.51 | Flimzy | [Granger]: So I know there has to be more than "high end" and "hauppage" support out there. |
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| 21:03.55 | liable | _keroppi_: one way to find out :) |
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| 21:04.04 | Solet | ribnitz: so there's no cat or grep command i could use? |
| 21:04.13 | adapter | when i /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -config=myvirtualhostname -update, in the statistics i get only today, the days before are not shown...despite the fact that the /var/log/apach2/access.log file contains logs from a few days ago |
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| 21:04.25 | muwu | Hi. |
| 21:04.27 | ribnitz | Solet: netcat.. |
| 21:04.30 | smacnay__ | Flimzy: haupauge is supported if you load the right kernel modules |
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| 21:04.40 | ribnitz | Solet: with the usual usage caveat. |
| 21:04.45 | _keroppi_ | liable: Thanks for the suggestion, it's working now! Woohoo! |
| 21:04.52 | smacnay__ | Flimzy: so is my no-name cheapo with the right kernel modules loaded. |
| 21:05.06 | adapter | anyone in here familiar with awstats? |
| 21:05.07 | Flimzy | smacnay__: I doubt your no-name cheapo has a hardware mpeg decoder on it. |
| 21:05.24 | Flimzy | smacnay__: Esp. considering that Hauppage only makes one model with a hardware decoder, and it's not cheap. |
| 21:05.34 | muwu | I have just installed Sarge rc3 using netinstall... I am surprised that default kernel is 2.4... |
| 21:05.36 | Lee__ | I'm getting crashed modules when writing to an XFS partition |
| 21:05.44 | muwu | How do I upgrade it to 2.6 latest? thanks. |
| 21:05.56 | trend | how do i check if i have a package installed? |
| 21:05.59 | Lee__ | EIP: 0060:[<dcac524e>] Not tainted |
| 21:06.00 | Lee__ | EFLAGS: 00010246 (2.6.8-2-686) |
| 21:06.00 | Lee__ | EIP is at xfs_bmap_add_extent_delay_real+0x165e/0x16b0 [xfs] |
| 21:06.08 | smacnay__ | Flimzy: true, but go to #mplayer and talk to those guys - they all work the same way - same as reading dvi or mpeg devices such as digital vid cams. |
| 21:06.09 | trend | is there a apt-get checkinstalled somepackage ? |
| 21:06.09 | ribnitz | muwu: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-... |
| 21:06.11 | liable | MuWu: you can boot 'linux26' at install prompt |
| 21:06.31 | liable | MuWu: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 21:06.39 | blafard | how can I find out where a usb device is showing up in /dev | find out what major/minor numbers to use for mknod ? |
| 21:06.40 | Flimzy | smacnay__: I believe you are greatly mistaken. |
| 21:06.55 | MuWu | oh... so I should have changed it to linux26 when installing?? (kida like Knoppix) |
| 21:07.00 | drac | Lee__: IIRC 2.6.8 had problems with XFS, followed by a lot of fixes in recent 2.6 versions. Update your kernel. |
| 21:07.05 | ribnitz | blafard: syslog, google. |
| 21:07.10 | smacnay__ | Flimzy: ok, then don't check it out - your loss. |
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| 21:07.16 | Lee__ | drac: thanks |
| 21:07.17 | liable | MuWu: doesnt matter, just install a new one |
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| 21:07.28 | Flimzy | smacnay__: I think you're confusing mpeg encoders and decoders. |
| 21:07.33 | trend | how do i check if i have a package installed? |
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| 21:07.38 | MuWu | liable, so if I apt-get the latest kernel, do I have to change my GRUB to boot it? Or will it be edicted automatically? |
| 21:07.38 | ribnitz | Lee__: please note I consider 2.6.10 broken in some ways, use 2.6.11.. |
| 21:07.38 | blafard | ribnitz: syslog doesn't give any detailed information and I've been trying google |
| 21:07.40 | o-o | hmm.. I am getting series of ssh hack attempts. Is there any way to automatically ban those attempting to do so? |
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| 21:07.48 | Solet | trend dpkg -L foo |
| 21:07.49 | Lee__ | ribnitz: is that kernel in sarge? |
| 21:07.55 | liable | MuWu: it'll be done for you |
| 21:08.00 | directhex | kernels 2.6.9+ are all broken in their own ways |
| 21:08.01 | tinou | bonjour tout le monde |
| 21:08.05 | MuWu | liable, awesome... |
| 21:08.06 | directhex | especially the debian packages |
| 21:08.09 | ribnitz | Lee__: 2.6.10 is, 2.6.11 isnt. |
| 21:08.13 | smacnay__ | Flimzy: the encoders simply pipe data to a linux device - kernel modules allow you to read from that device. |
| 21:08.15 | Solet | !fr |
| 21:08.15 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:08.16 | Lee__ | this sucks. I thought I'd get an advantage by using XFS :( |
| 21:08.18 | MuWu | directhex.. I want 2.6.11 |
| 21:08.22 | ribnitz | Lee__: get the one from sid, no side effects. |
| 21:08.30 | smacnay__ | Flimzy: but - I very well could be mistaken. |
| 21:08.31 | tinou | bonjour |
| 21:08.32 | directhex | debian's 2.6.11 is completely broken |
| 21:08.33 | Flimzy | smacnay__: yeah... I want a _decoder_ |
| 21:08.33 | Lee__ | is there a way to convert an XFS partition to ext3? |
| 21:08.36 | trend | ahh yes, thanks |
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| 21:08.43 | Lee__ | well, without reformating, I mean. |
| 21:08.50 | ribnitz | Lee__: backup, format, restore. |
| 21:08.51 | Flimzy | smacnay__: an encoder is fine, too... but a decoder is what I'm looking for. |
| 21:08.53 | Lee__ | right... |
| 21:09.06 | Lee__ | probably easier |
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| 21:09.19 | smacnay__ | Flimzy: I know that the guys in #mplayer use haupauge cards. Ask them how and what they use. |
| 21:09.20 | liable | MuWu: why do you need 2.6.11? |
| 21:09.29 | ribnitz | Lee__: Is your xfs in a system that has (frequent) power failures? |
| 21:09.36 | smacnay__ | Flimzy: what do you want to decode? What sort of source? |
| 21:09.46 | MuWu | While at it, should I go for K7 kernel? (currently on Athlon XP+) |
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| 21:10.00 | ribnitz | MuWu: I would. |
| 21:10.09 | Lee__ | ribnitz: nope. I thought I was going to use this machine for audio work so I made one big XFS partition for recording. Turns out plans changed. |
| 21:10.25 | Flimzy | smacnay__: So I can watch MPEG video on a slow machine, without using the CPU. |
| 21:10.25 | Lee__ | why power failures? |
| 21:10.25 | MuWu | liable, I need better support for memory cards, DVD RW packet writing (which I never got to work in Ubuntu days). |
| 21:10.29 | Flimzy | smacnay__: MPEG2 source. |
| 21:10.38 | Flimzy | smacnay__: Such as DVD, or any MPEG2 stream. |
| 21:10.42 | concept10 | Could someone tell me how to boot Debian from external drive? I need the proper commands for grub. |
| 21:11.00 | Flimzy | concept10: Of course that depends on the type of external drive. |
| 21:11.19 | ribnitz | Lee__: perhaps try jfs as well, also, make different small partitions (/var,/usr, / ,/home). And do regular backups (eg. dirvish) |
| 21:11.19 | liable | MuWu: if you must, you can just download the .deb from unstable and install it with dpkg |
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| 21:11.35 | MuWu | speaking~so the latest is 2.6.8-11 |
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| 21:11.43 | smacnay__ | Flimzy: sorry, all I have ever used is software. I can't help you. |
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| 21:11.53 | BinaryX | thanks for the help |
| 21:12.00 | ribnitz | Lee__: XFS is know for (possible) internal file corruption on open files on a power fail/unclean shutdown. |
| 21:12.03 | concept10 | Flimzy: It is a external USB drive, emulated as SCSI (/dev/sda1) |
| 21:12.05 | MuWu | Which has better protection against corruption? ext3, reiserfs, or xfs? |
| 21:12.06 | BinaryX | i'm now in my sarge |
| 21:12.22 | liable | ext3 |
| 21:12.34 | liable | !ricerfs |
| 21:12.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
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| 21:13.13 | Flimzy | concept10: I don't know if grub can even boot from that. (I'm quite sure lilo can't) |
| 21:13.22 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 21:13.24 | ribnitz | liable: people dontr realize that fast <-> well protected .. |
| 21:13.27 | MuWu | liable, heh... I am constantly getting corrupted file error.. had to run fsck constantly.... |
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| 21:13.30 | Flimzy | concept10: You may have to use a boot floppy or CD-ROM with the kernel on it. |
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| 21:14.12 | concept10 | Flimzy: because fgrub doesnt have proper drivers and such to control the external drive? |
| 21:14.31 | MuWu | damn, it's so hard to read IRC messages/chats in CLI.. no color differentiation.. |
| 21:14.33 | ribnitz | MuWu: I have a setup of ext3/xfs/jfs which works fine (ext3 for boot, xfs or jfs for usr and var, jfs for home and backup) |
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| 21:14.42 | Flimzy | concept10: More like, your BIOS probably doesn't have proper drivers. |
| 21:14.50 | liable | MuWu: irssi? |
| 21:14.55 | crashbg | how to patch from 2.6.11.9 to 2.6.12-rc4? |
| 21:14.56 | Flimzy | concept10: Altho if Grub had it's own drivers, that would do it. |
| 21:14.59 | ribnitz | MuWu: get a decent client, eg. irssi |
| 21:15.00 | Flimzy | concept10: but I doubt it does. |
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| 21:15.05 | alex__ | I have missed to create a module when compiling my kernel, it is just one module and I do not want to change anythingelse, do I HAVE to rebuilt everything for this modules or can I just do a make modules and make modules_install ? will I have to restart the box ? |
| 21:15.20 | [Granger] | crashbg: why would you want to run a pre-patch kernel? |
| 21:15.35 | crashbg | because the sis chipset driver is causing me problems |
| 21:15.38 | MuWu | ribnitz, oh that's got color? thanks.. |
| 21:15.43 | alex__ | anyone ? |
| 21:15.45 | crashbg | i want to try the .12 one |
| 21:15.52 | concept10 | Flimzy: my BIOS supports booting from removable devices but it will not grab grub from that disk so Im trying to boot from grub on the laptops internal drive |
| 21:15.53 | Flimzy | crashbg: If you don't know how to patch a kernel, you have no business running an rc kernel. |
| 21:16.04 | [Granger] | I agree with Flimzy |
| 21:16.26 | crashbg | Flimzy, i know the usual patch -p0 blabla but is there anything else? |
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| 21:16.45 | Flimzy | crashbg: Let me repeat what I just said... If you don't know how to patch the kernel, you have no business running pre-release crap. |
| 21:17.13 | crashbg | ok, then i will do it myself :/ thanks anyway... |
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| 21:18.32 | ribnitz | Peolple said I should use woody, for stabililty, but I needed all those features, so I went for sid. Now my thing crashed, and I have no Idea how to restore it. I also have no backup, since I dont know what a backup is. Please help ? ;) |
| 21:18.32 | Flimzy | ribnitz: format c: /s /u |
| 21:18.32 | crashbg | it's on a notebook, not a production system and just want to test it... |
| 21:18.32 | [Granger] | first off, woody is almost obsolete |
| 21:18.34 | [Granger] | in 15 days in fact |
| 21:18.49 | MuWu | Granger, new release in fifteen days? what's next? |
| 21:18.50 | crashbg | ribnitz, use sarge :) |
| 21:18.52 | [Granger] | secondly, if you want "new" features, use sarge |
| 21:18.59 | [Granger] | MuWu: read topi |
| 21:19.00 | [Granger] | c |
| 21:19.07 | plugwash | [Granger] thats assuming the schedule is stuck to |
| 21:19.11 | gravity | We probably won't make it in 15 days, but hopefully soon |
| 21:19.15 | gravity | New RC bugs keep popping up |
| 21:19.22 | ribnitz | [Granger]: </sarcasm>.. :) |
| 21:19.24 | plugwash | the last release critical bug report seemed to go somewhat against that |
| 21:19.26 | MuWu | Granger, kinda hard to read topic right now.. on some rudimentary IRC proggy |
| 21:19.41 | plugwash | imo its silly to consider bugs in unimportant pacakges as critical for a release |
| 21:19.54 | Solet | question, when sarge moves to stable, will the current release known as sid move to testing? or will there be no 'testing' release for a while... |
| 21:19.55 | gravity | plugwash: Those packages are getting booted all the time from sarge |
| 21:19.56 | MuWu | Sarge has frozen? |
| 21:19.59 | gravity | MuWu: Yes |
| 21:20.03 | Flimzy | plugwash: what 'unimportant' package has an RC bug? |
| 21:20.04 | plugwash | i also can't see how having no package of an app is better than having a slightly buggy package for an app |
| 21:20.05 | [Granger] | MuWu: I've been reading the raw irc protocol for a month |
| 21:20.09 | [Granger] | so you get no sympathy from me |
| 21:20.09 | mwilson | Solet: Nothing changes for Sid. |
| 21:20.10 | gravity | Solet: Testing will be renamed "etch" |
| 21:20.11 | [Granger] | :P |
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| 21:20.36 | plugwash | Solet afaict sarge will be copied to become etch |
| 21:20.43 | Flimzy | [Granger]: I've been IRCing via raw unix sockets from my mobile phone using only a 10-key pad... |
| 21:20.47 | ribnitz | plugwash: I prefer not to have a certain app than to have a package of a certain app that crashes my system. |
| 21:20.51 | MuWu | ofdsfsda sadfDSF/fds.dfswonder people hate CLI.. my eyes hurt (and this is with aSamasdffasfsadfssssdfasdfasdf |
| 21:21.00 | plugwash | and the testing link eill be moved to point at etch |
| 21:21.04 | Solet | gravity: yes i know this... but what current set of files will become testing? |
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| 21:21.20 | [Granger] | Solet: all of it |
| 21:21.22 | gravity | Solet: Hrm. Don't know exactly. |
| 21:21.23 | MuWu | sorry.. somehow I accidentally pushed scroll lock (though my fingers were no way near it) |
| 21:21.24 | [Granger] | at least to begin with |
| 21:21.25 | plugwash | Solet a copy of sarge afaict |
| 21:21.37 | B_Raven | Does sarge going stable mean the annoying naming stuff for gst is fixed? |
| 21:21.42 | [Granger] | then we'll see what we deicde to throw out |
| 21:21.47 | [Granger] | decide* |
| 21:22.02 | MuWu | So if Sarge is frozen, what am I supposed to do with my new Sarge isntall? I want to live on the semi-bleeding edge. |
| 21:22.09 | gravity | I assume they'll just cp -r testing sarge and ln -s testing etch |
| 21:22.13 | gravity | But I should really ask |
| 21:22.28 | [Granger] | hah bleeding edge |
| 21:22.36 | [Granger] | the X Server in Sarge is two years old |
| 21:22.42 | [Granger] | there's your "bleeding edge" right there |
| 21:22.43 | plugwash | MuWu not a lot you can do for now |
| 21:22.45 | Flimzy | MuWu: install experimental :P |
| 21:22.48 | gravity | [Granger]: It's being worked on |
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| 21:22.50 | ribnitz | MuWu: go etch (or sid). but sid-users forfeit all their rights to complain and get shot at sighnt if they do so. |
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| 21:22.56 | alex__ | to monitor my fans in my box, the package is lm-sensors is not it ? |
| 21:23.00 | plugwash | you either go to sid or stick with a frozen sarge |
| 21:23.03 | directhex | [Granger], with drivers backported from later releases |
| 21:23.10 | plugwash | and etch won't exist until sarge releases |
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| 21:23.24 | MuWu | I am newbie, so I guess I will stick with Sarge for a while.. (only six weeks of full time linux use) |
| 21:23.25 | [Granger] | directhex: that still doesn't mean it's "bleeding edge" |
| 21:23.36 | [Granger] | ubuntu is far more up to date package wise than debian is |
| 21:23.38 | gravity | MuWu: Wise move I think. Learn the basics before pushing to something else |
| 21:23.50 | yarddog | seems to be a lot of bs in the air today |
| 21:23.50 | gravity | [Granger]: Aside from X, that's not really true |
| 21:23.53 | [Granger] | but what the hell I can't even max out the features in the current version |
| 21:23.54 | directhex | [Granger], perhaps not, but i think it was shown that, taking all of debian versus ubuntu universe, sarge is on average more up to date |
| 21:23.56 | gravity | [Granger]: At least if you compare to unstable |
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| 21:24.11 | [Granger] | gravity: I don't run unstable unless I have to |
| 21:24.22 | gravity | [Granger]: That's your decision |
| 21:24.25 | [Granger] | our guy with the sid problem just proved why |
| 21:24.36 | ribnitz | me? |
| 21:24.39 | gravity | I've run unstable for 4+ years |
| 21:24.42 | gravity | Minimal issues |
| 21:25.01 | MuWu | Granger, yeah, I like Ubuntu as well.. it's just I can't get any tech support either from forum or IRC... |
| 21:25.02 | gravity | Fair enough |
| 21:25.11 | [Granger] | MuWu: #ubuntu |
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| 21:25.28 | [Granger] | there are 500 users in there |
| 21:25.33 | [Granger] | one of them must know something |
| 21:25.43 | gravity | Anyhow, Debian is looking very hard at doing faster releases. The current number being floated is every 18 months |
| 21:25.49 | gravity | Hopefully we can pull it off |
| 21:26.01 | [Granger] | to be honest |
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| 21:26.05 | [Granger] | I'd rather have stability |
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| 21:26.09 | plugwash | gravity didn't they say that after woody too |
| 21:26.11 | [Granger] | there's a reason I moved off crapdrake |
| 21:26.12 | gravity | We can still have stability |
| 21:26.19 | _Xavi_ | could someone tell me the option in apt.conf for setting the default respository ? |
| 21:26.23 | gravity | plugwash: Probably, but we'll see what happens. |
| 21:26.24 | MuWu | Gravity, everytime I needed help... I was forced to come here.. despite so much ridicule... (i.e. ubuntu is not debian, why are you here).. |
| 21:26.25 | _Xavi_ | i have unstable and testing added |
| 21:26.28 | gravity | plugwash: We didn't have Ubuntu after woody |
| 21:26.30 | _Xavi_ | but want testing used by defauilt |
| 21:26.32 | MuWu | but I am running Sarge (only text mode so far). |
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| 21:26.36 | ribnitz | [Granger]: they have 4 per year, don't they? |
| 21:26.46 | punsad | I'd actually like to use 800x600 resolution - but when I do - the fonts are ugly. Work fine at 1024x768. How to fix this? |
| 21:26.54 | [Granger] | ribnitz: the problem with mandrake/mandriva |
| 21:26.58 | [Granger] | is that their scripts never work |
| 21:27.08 | [Granger] | the free version also expects a forth cd |
| 21:27.16 | [Granger] | which is only available to the subscription version |
| 21:27.20 | [Granger] | see the problem here? |
| 21:27.33 | ribnitz | [Granger]: the problem with the green dragon linux is that you can only use trheir stcripts to modify stuff. |
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| 21:27.42 | [Granger] | it's very hard to get a proper working os when you're referring to a package that doesn't exist |
| 21:27.52 | [Granger] | ribnitz: no, you can modify stuff with emacs |
| 21:27.56 | plugwash | the big issue with doing releases to often is you need to have a very large security update infrastructure or you end up creating an upgrade treadmill for users |
| 21:28.02 | MuWu | well, I am going to reboot with new kernel. brb |
| 21:28.02 | [Granger] | just be prepared to rewrite the whole thing |
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| 21:29.16 | ribnitz | [Granger]: The prob with mandrake/drive is that they make a difference between free-of-charge, not-quite-as-free-of-charge and definitely-not-free-of-charge, right? |
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| 21:29.30 | [Granger] | ya |
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| 21:29.41 | [Granger] | basically what you get with debian + www.nvidia.com |
| 21:29.43 | [Granger] | they charge for |
| 21:29.55 | [Granger] | and debian still does it better |
| 21:29.58 | TwistedEmotions | Is there anyway to change the settings for the kernel currectly installed on my computer or do I have to reinstall another kernel? |
| 21:30.32 | ribnitz | [Granger]: I got a working (non-free) nvidia driver for my gfx card.. |
| 21:31.05 | [Granger] | ribnitz: and it takes you all of what, 10 min to install it? |
| 21:31.11 | ribnitz | TwistedEmotions: the /proc, and /sys filesystems. |
| 21:31.13 | dli | can mplayer play mp3 files? |
| 21:31.18 | [Granger] | Mandrake wants $100 for the same thing pre-packaged |
| 21:31.22 | [Granger] | dli: yes it can |
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| 21:31.27 | [Granger] | but it's hardly the ideal player |
| 21:31.45 | directhex | !tell [Granger] about why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 21:31.52 | ribnitz | [Granger]: Compiling took like 10 mins, changing the other settings in XF86Config4 perhaps took another 10. |
| 21:32.06 | dli | [Granger], it hangs at starting playing, with either mp3 or audio noly .rm |
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| 21:32.12 | [Granger] | directhex: got it |
| 21:32.29 | TwistedEmotions | ribnitz: Thanks. |
| 21:33.05 | ribnitz | TwistedEmotions: need to be more specific if you want more specific help. |
| 21:33.36 | TwistedEmotions | ribnitz: it's cool.... just going to build another kernel.. |
| 21:33.39 | ribnitz | TwistedEmotions: plus ofc the loading/unloading/reloading of modules |
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| 21:34.23 | muwu_ | Hmm.. there was "sudoer" program in Ubuntu where you can easily edit sudo user list.. what's the equivalent in Sarge? |
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| 21:35.37 | DamnSmall | hola |
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| 21:37.11 | sobersabre | hi |
| 21:37.21 | sobersabre | has anybody tried working with a WIFI card and ieee80211_crypt_tkip ? |
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| 21:39.50 | saudilinux | how to make grub view images???? |
| 21:39.54 | saudilinux | how to make grub view images???? |
| 21:40.07 | muwu | Hi. What are the first four packages I have to install for Xorg under Sarge? |
| 21:40.24 | saudilinux | how to make grub view images???? |
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| 21:40.46 | szzs | hi, i have a question about hw raid, in which chan should i ask that? #raid #3ware doesnt exist |
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| 21:41.44 | streuner | muwu: none |
| 21:42.11 | muwu | streuner, so no Xorg? just xf86free? :( |
| 21:42.19 | streuner | muwu: xorg would never be in sarge, after sarge is released it goes into debian |
| 21:42.49 | gravity | It may get backported unofficially at some point |
| 21:43.00 | muwu | Will Debian always stick with semi-obsolidted Xf86? (kinda harking back to Slashdot comments) |
| 21:43.05 | Skyblaze | why in sid, even if i have the us iso 8859-1 charset, in gnome i see the normal menu in english but the debian applications menu in italian? |
| 21:43.13 | gravity | muwu: No. Post-sarge, it'll go to X.org |
| 21:43.24 | [Granger] | muwu: how about reading before you ask questions? |
| 21:43.26 | gravity | muwu: It was a decision made not to de-stabilize the release back when the release seemed much nearer |
| 21:43.38 | muwu | gravity.. that's a good news.. (though I guess I will have to wait another 5 years for that).. :D |
| 21:43.41 | Skyblaze | how can i do to have that in english too? |
| 21:43.47 | gravity | muwu: Not if you help out |
| 21:43.57 | PerfDave | muwu: xorg isn't in Sarge. |
| 21:44.10 | PerfDave | !topicsmite muwu |
| 21:44.11 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon muwu. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:44.53 | muwu | that sounds like some Confucian lecture.. well taken. thanks. |
| 21:45.18 | gravity | "some Confucian lecture"? Dude... Debian is a volunteer project |
| 21:45.34 | gravity | No mystery to it. It moves better when people help |
| 21:45.48 | muwu | btw, I have great respect for Confucian..being a Confucian/Daoist/Buddhist myself.. |
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| 21:46.21 | plugwash | mmm afaict the real question is how many more rc bugs will turn up before sarge release |
| 21:46.26 | muwu | problem is.. I have only switched completely to Linux six weeks ago, and I don't know how to code (unless you consider MS DOS basic as a programming language of any use) |
| 21:46.27 | PerfDave | Ten tons of flax! |
| 21:46.46 | plugwash | one possibility would be for someone to "accidently" break submission of new bug reports |
| 21:46.56 | PerfDave | muwu: You can contribute to Debian without coding. File bug reports, write documentation, help out on IRC... |
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| 21:47.58 | plugwash | PerfDave filing rc bug reports will delay sarge release not bring it closer |
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| 21:48.30 | muwu | can anyone point me to a good HOWTO/Wiki on installing XFree86 and KDE? thanks. |
| 21:48.35 | PerfDave | plugwash: So? There's a bug that makes Sarge unusable on many systems, and it seems to be a trivial fix. I don't think it's a lot of work and it'll mean a lot. |
| 21:48.42 | PerfDave | muwu: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 21:49.02 | PerfDave | muwu: Basically, just install "kde" and "x-window-system" packages, for the easiest way of doing it. |
| 21:49.16 | muwu | PerfDave, thanks.. |
| 21:49.42 | plugwash | true but if what muwu wants is for xorg to get into sid/etch sooner then he will want sarge to release sooner |
| 21:49.55 | sorsis | what are zarro rc boogs? |
| 21:49.57 | plugwash | so for him to file rc bugs would not be in his own interests |
| 21:50.18 | thingfish | sorsis: zero release candidate bugs. |
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| 21:50.22 | gravity | It'l go in to experimental irregardless of sarge's release status |
| 21:50.32 | muwu | thanks muwu.. now downloading 200MB worth of stuff for 600MB installation.. (gotta love Apt and broadband) |
| 21:50.45 | Xerxes_86 | hej moiw tu ktos po polsku ?? |
| 21:51.04 | streuner | Xerxes_86: #debian.pl |
| 21:51.04 | thingfish | Xerxes_86: sorry, not well enough to have a conversation. |
| 21:51.04 | PerfDave | sorsis: "zarro boogs found" is a reference to Bugzilla - it's the error it reports when a bug search comes up empty handed. |
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| 21:51.09 | streuner | !polish |
| 21:51.09 | dpkg | from memory, polish is spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl |
| 21:51.15 | Xerxes_86 | yes |
| 21:51.37 | Xerxes_86 | ok thx |
| 21:51.37 | PerfDave | plugwash: I'd rather be able to install Sarge on my server at work than use xorg, so I'm going to report my bug :) |
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| 21:52.02 | chealer | wuhu, 67 sarge RC bugs...huuum :) |
| 21:52.02 | gravity | PerfDave: What package is your bug in? |
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| 21:52.19 | gravity | PerfDave: And what kind of bug is it? |
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| 21:53.35 | muwu | Many many CD's will the Sarge release have? |
| 21:53.44 | Gnea | too many |
| 21:53.48 | Gnea | and not enough |
| 21:53.48 | Gnea | :) |
| 21:53.59 | PerfDave | gravity: It's in the 2.6.8 kernel-image packages, it causes the system to crash, with possible data loss. |
| 21:54.02 | muwu | Oh the joys of swapping your CD's.. |
| 21:54.32 | PerfDave | muwu: It will have 11 CDs in total. The chances of people needing more than two or three are pretty minimal. |
| 21:54.49 | [Granger] | PerfDave: so what's the bug= |
| 21:54.51 | [Granger] | ? |
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| 21:55.03 | streuner | muwu: not really - debian folks use i-net to install and get every package |
| 21:55.12 | muwu | PerfDave, Ic.. thank God for DVD + dual layer --> blue ray/HD DVD... |
| 21:55.28 | PerfDave | [Granger]: 2.6.8's aacraid is knackered, the fix is in 2.6.11 and I'm hoping it can be backported to 2.6.8, otherwise I can't run Sarge on my servers :/ |
| 21:55.45 | [Granger] | PerfDave: ah I'm already on 2.6.11 |
| 21:55.51 | muwu | streuner, I guess the problem would be if you live in a place without much broadband access.. I remember this Indian guy.. and he was trying to buy CD's |
| 21:56.00 | [Granger] | that's pretty much the only thing in my sarge release that I change myself |
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| 21:56.15 | PerfDave | Isn't there a list of CD vendors on the Debina website? |
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| 21:56.18 | thingfish | muwu: that sounds like da_bon_bon. |
| 21:56.22 | gravity | Ugh... hopefully that bug can be fixed |
| 21:56.22 | Gnea | muwu: 'god' had nothing to do with it. :) |
| 21:56.27 | [Granger] | PerfDave: you can always compile your own kernel |
| 21:56.36 | [Granger] | not a very big deal |
| 21:56.38 | Gnea | an actual human being made that shit |
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| 21:57.31 | PerfDave | [Granger]: Yes, but I can't compile a kernel that's in Sarge, so I won't get security support. |
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| 21:57.41 | PerfDave | [Granger]: Besides which, compiling kernels is a waste of time ;) |
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| 21:57.57 | ya3soop | hi |
| 21:58.02 | plugwash | i guess that sarge is not going to fit on a single dvd |
| 21:58.04 | Gnea | PerfDave: that's a matter of debate ;) |
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| 21:58.15 | muwu | Granger, so you compiled your own kernel? |
| 21:58.17 | plugwash | at least not one single sided single layer dvd |
| 21:58.22 | [Granger] | of course I did |
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| 21:58.25 | [Granger] | I had to |
| 21:58.30 | gravity | plugwash: Apparently not, unfortunately |
| 21:58.38 | PerfDave | I never compile my own kernels tehse days. |
| 21:58.45 | Giambuca | hi everybody from a Gentoo user |
| 21:58.46 | PerfDave | plugwash: No, Sarge will not fit on one DVD. |
| 21:59.17 | muwu | PerfDave, unless it's on a dual layer DVD? |
| 21:59.23 | Giambuca | I tried to install Debian but I found some problems, I hope that somebody can help me |
| 21:59.31 | PerfDave | muwu: I don't think it'll fit on that, even. |
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| 21:59.49 | plugwash | i think it will fit on a dual layer |
| 21:59.49 | Gnea | Giambuca: here's the way it works: don't beg for help, just put the problem out there and explain it in detail, someone will likely help then |
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| 22:00.11 | plugwash | i'm pretty sure 11 cds is smaller than a dual layer dvd |
| 22:00.20 | muwu | Dual layer has about 8 gig of storage... 800mb x 11 = 8800... so it'll be close. |
| 22:00.24 | Skyblaze | nextime, ho letto basta fare ":set fileformat=unix" e poi ovviamente un bel ":w" con il file nel buffer ma non mic ambia na cippa |
| 22:00.25 | Skyblaze | -_- |
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| 22:00.32 | plugwash | trouble with dual layer dvds is that the blanks are expensive |
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| 22:00.56 | Gnea | !tell Skyblaze about debian-es |
| 22:00.58 | eugenesan | hi all, how can i block access to ssh from specific address? |
| 22:01.01 | plugwash | muwu where did you get an 800 meg figure for cds from? |
| 22:01.06 | Gnea | eugenesan: iptables |
| 22:01.06 | thingfish | that was Italian. |
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| 22:01.21 | Skyblaze | what? |
| 22:01.22 | Gnea | oops |
| 22:01.30 | Giambuca | I tried to install Debian on my P3, with the floppy installation |
| 22:01.41 | plugwash | iirc a standard 80 min cd is 700 megs larger blanks are availible but only through speciailist suppliers |
| 22:01.42 | Giambuca | everything seemed to be ok |
| 22:01.43 | Gnea | Skyblaze: sorry, english here r:) |
| 22:01.54 | teun | eugenesan: iptables or an entry in /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 22:02.02 | plugwash | so i doubt debian make thier cd images for cds larger than standard 80 min blanks |
| 22:02.14 | Skyblaze | Gnea, i'm sorry i wornged the chat:P |
| 22:02.14 | thingfish | Skyblaze: try #debian-it |
| 22:02.16 | eugenesan | teun: thanx |
| 22:02.25 | muwu | plugwash's statement is correct.. |
| 22:02.25 | Gnea | Skyblaze: haha np |
| 22:02.30 | Skyblaze | i paste my text in the worng chat |
| 22:02.31 | Giambuca | but when I reboot, after the grub the screen goes black, because it goes out of range |
| 22:02.33 | Skyblaze | my mistake |
| 22:02.34 | Skyblaze | sorry |
| 22:03.04 | thingfish | tutti a tavola! that's about all the Italian I know. |
| 22:03.09 | muwu | Anyone excited about the new Xbox 360? (cheap HTPC... with upgradable hard drive)... |
| 22:03.24 | PerfDave | muwu: Nope |
| 22:03.38 | mwilson | Anyone care at all about the new Xbox? |
| 22:03.43 | Sorush20 | anyone know of any other IRC chat servers around.. for Windows and Like accounting.. |
| 22:03.44 | simonrvn | no |
| 22:03.44 | Skyblaze | thingfish, very poor italian |
| 22:03.45 | Skyblaze | :P |
| 22:04.00 | thingfish | Skyblaze: yes, it is. |
| 22:04.08 | muwu | I mean this thing supports HDTV plus fast frame rate... three cores... 512MB RAM.. |
| 22:04.19 | muwu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.24 | simonrvn | blah. who cares |
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| 22:04.47 | Skyblaze | anyone knows how to turn the debian menu in gnome in enlgish? |
| 22:04.56 | Giambuca | how do I tell Grub to change the resolution? |
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| 22:05.16 | muwu | and because MS will be subsidizing, you can probably get it for like 350... anyways.. I guess I am the only who's looking forward to this. |
| 22:05.23 | crashbg | Giambuca, vga=... |
| 22:05.26 | Gnea | !#debian-it |
| 22:05.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, #debian-it is Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:05.54 | Gnea | Giambuca: vga=778 and whatnot |
| 22:06.06 | Giambuca | i tried vga=791 |
| 22:06.11 | Giambuca | but no success |
| 22:06.20 | crashbg | it's for 1024x768 |
| 22:06.21 | nunez | Are there any more sites like Attrition.org that are up to date that list defaced sites? |
| 22:06.22 | Gnea | then you probably don't have fb support in the kernel |
| 22:06.25 | lef | I am ashamed, I asked my flatmate to burn an iso I created because I can't configure my box to write cds |
| 22:06.38 | Giambuca | i definitely dont have support for fb |
| 22:06.46 | Gnea | then that's why :) |
| 22:07.00 | crashbg | you have to use debian kernels ot compile your with fb console |
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| 22:07.13 | Giambuca | Gnea: so what do i do? |
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| 22:07.19 | lotus | hi... can anyone here help me get darkice set up? |
| 22:07.24 | Gnea | crashbg: since when? |
| 22:07.30 | lotus | i have it working on the server and the client, but when i try to listen i just get silence or a short bleep and then get disconnected |
| 22:07.35 | crashbg | Giambuca, what's the kernel? |
| 22:07.36 | lotus | i suspect that i can't read from /dev/dsp correctly |
| 22:07.39 | Gnea | Giambuca: well what did you do with that kernel? |
| 22:07.41 | Giambuca | 2.2 |
| 22:07.41 | crashbg | Gnea what? |
| 22:07.48 | Gnea | crashbg: that's what i'm saying.. what? |
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| 22:08.07 | crashbg | 2.4 and 2.6 has fb support |
| 22:08.09 | Giambuca | Gnea: i didnt do anything with the kernel... just tried a floppy installation |
| 22:08.22 | Gnea | crashbg: so..? |
| 22:08.32 | Gnea | Giambuca: sarge? |
| 22:08.40 | crashbg | i didn't know it's 2.2 |
| 22:08.40 | Giambuca | woody |
| 22:08.46 | Gnea | ah |
| 22:08.55 | Gnea | Giambuca: you wanna use bf24 then |
| 22:09.05 | crashbg | bf24 vga=791 |
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| 22:09.09 | crashbg | :) |
| 22:09.10 | drac | bootfloppy? |
| 22:09.12 | andpoi | Hello. |
| 22:09.12 | Gnea | what crashbg said |
| 22:09.16 | drac | woody has real kernels too :) |
| 22:09.17 | Gnea | :) |
| 22:09.20 | Giambuca | it only boots with floppy now |
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| 22:09.28 | Gnea | that's fine |
| 22:09.34 | crashbg | Giambuca, can't you make sarge floppies? |
| 22:09.48 | andpoi | When I try to configure an eggdrop on my debian machine, it says permission denied |
| 22:09.49 | Giambuca | crashbg: mmhm i dont know |
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| 22:10.09 | andpoi | bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 22:10.18 | Giambuca | crashbg: i just looked for a stable release and i found woody |
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| 22:10.38 | resiak | !d-i Giambuca |
| 22:10.38 | dpkg | Giambuca, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:10.39 | crashbg | Giambuca, i think 2.2 doesn't have fb console so you will have to install the 2.2 and then apt-get install kernel-image-2.4... |
| 22:10.49 | crashbg | for fb console |
| 22:10.56 | andpoi | can someone help me? |
| 22:11.01 | andpoi | liek through PM |
| 22:11.12 | streuner | !msg me |
| 22:11.13 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg streuner. |
| 22:11.13 | Gnea | !tell andpoi about ask |
| 22:11.17 | K_Dallas | andpoi: do you pay? |
| 22:11.23 | andpoi | alot. |
| 22:11.24 | K_Dallas | ;) |
| 22:11.33 | andpoi | When I try to configure an eggdrop on my debian machine, it says permission denied |
| 22:11.35 | K_Dallas | well i am not your mrfixit, ask here |
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| 22:11.37 | andpoi | I already asked. |
| 22:11.45 | andpoi | How do I get it to configure. |
| 22:11.53 | [Granger] | how about reading the documentation |
| 22:11.59 | Gnea | you said it 'permission denied' that doesn't say a thing |
| 22:12.10 | crashbg | chown & chmod are your friends :) |
| 22:12.13 | andpoi | Well, it works on one machine, but not another. |
| 22:12.32 | Gnea | then maybe you shouldn't be doing it on the other machine |
| 22:12.36 | resiak | andpoi: vim ./configure, check that there's no space between #! and /bin/sh |
| 22:12.48 | Gnea | perhaps check your shell |
| 22:13.01 | andpoi | It's a box in my living room :-| |
| 22:13.06 | andpoi | just put debian on it |
| 22:13.09 | Gnea | er |
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| 22:13.30 | resiak | andpoi: ls -l /bin/sh |
| 22:13.38 | Gnea | probably need to install some automake tools then |
| 22:13.46 | andpoi | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 May 15 12:27 /bin/sh -> bash |
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| 22:14.07 | bartek | hello. Is there any good website for debianers and debian newbies? With howtos concerning doing all the necessarry stuff with debian (I'd love to throw out all my win cd's) |
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| 22:14.14 | lotus | is there a channel for audio questions? |
| 22:14.33 | resiak | andpoi: ls -l /bin/bash |
| 22:14.54 | K_Dallas | bartek: wait a little bit longer before you get rid of your Windows CDs unless they are not XP or 2K ;) |
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| 22:15.24 | andpoi | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 May 15 12:27 /bin/sh -> bash |
| 22:15.29 | resiak | andpoi: ls -l /bin/bash |
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| 22:15.41 | resiak | andpoi: Note that it's a _different_ command. |
| 22:15.56 | andpoi | ok, on the eggdrop website, it says type ./configure |
| 22:16.00 | andpoi | I type it, it doesn't work. |
| 22:16.04 | andpoi | but its only this machine. |
| 22:16.16 | resiak | andpoi: ls -l /bin/bash |
| 22:16.18 | streuner | !b-e andpoi |
| 22:16.18 | dpkg | andpoi: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 22:16.29 | andpoi | where do you get that? |
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| 22:17.06 | resiak | !install it |
| 22:17.08 | resiak | !installit |
| 22:17.09 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 22:17.41 | andpoi | ok. |
| 22:17.43 | andpoi | Thanks for that. |
| 22:17.48 | andpoi | I wouldn't have guessed. |
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| 22:18.00 | resiak | andpoi: How does apt-get install build-essential sound to you? |
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| 22:19.12 | bartek | K_Dallas I've got XP and Debian on desktop computer and debian running as server providing internet access and (not yet, plans) mail and other services |
| 22:19.33 | andpoi | ? |
| 22:19.44 | resiak | andpoi!# |
| 22:19.54 | resiak | andpoi: do you know how to install software on Debian? |
| 22:19.56 | andpoi | resiak, how do I install the debian package. |
| 22:19.58 | andpoi | no. |
| 22:20.01 | andpoi | I just got into linux. |
| 22:20.05 | resiak | andpoi: As root, apt-get install build-essential |
| 22:20.13 | resiak | andpoi: What's your native language? |
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| 22:20.21 | john | andpoi: Good choice :) To get into linux. |
| 22:20.24 | andpoi | English... |
| 22:20.27 | TwistedEmotions | Jesus.. my kernel has been compiling for like 20 minutes now.. |
| 22:20.40 | TwistedEmotions | System load 100% |
| 22:20.40 | resiak | andpoi: English? apt-get install debian-reference-en, then look at the documentation in /usr/share/doc/Debian/ |
| 22:20.45 | john | it usually takes awhile to compile a kernel |
| 22:20.47 | john | or so i thought |
| 22:20.52 | thingfish | TwistedEmotions: that's not abnormal, what's your cpu? |
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| 22:21.09 | TwistedEmotions | Is there a CPU temp program for xfce? |
| 22:21.17 | resiak | !tell TwistedEmotions -about serach |
| 22:21.19 | resiak | !tell TwistedEmotions -about search |
| 22:21.23 | lewis | hey - is there any reason why, when logging into proftpd, I get a succesful connection, then am immediately disconnected by the server? |
| 22:21.26 | TwistedEmotions | thingfish: p4 4.0 800 fsb |
| 22:21.28 | Supaplex | if pwd is /mnt/hda4 and I run rsync -avuH --delete --numeric-ids /mnt/hdb4/ . run out of space if both drives are the same size? |
| 22:21.29 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: try gkrellm |
| 22:21.32 | andpoi | resiak, do you have AIM or anything else/ |
| 22:21.33 | thingfish | TwistedEmotions: modern cpus will shut themselves down if they overheat. |
| 22:21.39 | drac | TwistedEmotions: If you installed XFCE 4.2.1.1 from os-works.com, yes, then you have sensors-plugin for panel. |
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| 22:21.55 | andpoi | resiak, do you have AIM or anything else/ |
| 22:21.57 | thingfish | TwistedEmotions: um, there is no such thing as a P4 4.0 |
| 22:21.59 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: or torsmo - you need lm-sensors installed an a kernel which support it |
| 22:22.07 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: thanks |
| 22:22.14 | thingfish | TwistedEmotions: unless you've overclocked. |
| 22:22.23 | resiak | andpoi: Yes, I do have AIM and something else. |
| 22:22.28 | TwistedEmotions | thingfish: I know.. wont overheat.... just wondering.. I meant 3.0 |
| 22:22.29 | andpoi | What's your AIM? |
| 22:22.29 | resiak | andpoi: Don't /msg me. |
| 22:22.33 | andpoi | What's your AIM? |
| 22:22.34 | lewis | it occurs intermittently, and sometimes I just get a connection refused. Any ideas as to why proftpd may suddenly be doing this? |
| 22:22.43 | resiak | andpoi: I'm not telling you. I'm not telling you. |
| 22:22.49 | andpoi | Please? |
| 22:22.53 | andpoi | I am really a noob at linux. |
| 22:23.06 | resiak | andpoi: I know :) |
| 22:23.11 | resiak | andpoi: Install the debian-reference. |
| 22:23.20 | thingfish | TwistedEmotions: that's what I have. Anyway, it should not take too much longer, 20-30 minutes is normal compile time on a 3.0Ghz P4. |
| 22:23.23 | john | how big is the debian reference package? |
| 22:23.33 | [Granger] | apparently |
| 22:23.35 | drac | john: apt-cache show |
| 22:23.35 | [Granger] | not big enough |
| 22:23.36 | resiak | andpoi: It's better for everyone if you ask your questions here, mainly because I'm about to go to bed and then you'll be back looking for someone else to pester. |
| 22:23.37 | Supaplex | andpoi: you remind me of clingy children |
| 22:23.39 | resiak | :info debian-reference-en |
| 22:23.40 | john | aw, okay. |
| 22:23.41 | andpoi | okay, just tell me this, how do you start the build essential. |
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| 22:23.55 | andpoi | I am a child :-) |
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| 22:24.03 | resiak | andpoi: I told you already! |
| 22:24.06 | [Granger] | andpoi: then you need to learn some patience |
| 22:24.12 | resiak | andpoi: As root, run apt-get install build-essential |
| 22:24.14 | streuner | andpoi: well, it seems you are learn-resistent too |
| 22:24.24 | resiak | andpoi: You'll need to open a terminal window and run su to become root. |
| 22:24.34 | streuner | andpoi: resiak told you twice now. |
| 22:24.34 | andpoi | I already installed it. |
| 22:24.35 | andpoi | thanks. |
| 22:24.41 | [Granger] | sigh |
| 22:24.46 | resiak | andpoi: So does ./configure now work? |
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| 22:24.59 | andpoi | bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 22:25.01 | streuner | andpoi: look at the output of ./configure and install .h (header) files as well |
| 22:25.02 | andpoi | No/ |
| 22:25.03 | resiak | !info debian-reference-en |
| 22:25.05 | streuner | if needed |
| 22:25.06 | dpkg | debian-reference-en: (Debian system administration guide, English original), section doc, is optional. Version: 1.08-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1393 kB, Installed size: 1996 kB |
| 22:25.11 | resiak | john: ^^ |
| 22:25.28 | john | :) ty. |
| 22:25.36 | streuner | !bad interpreter |
| 22:25.36 | dpkg | hmm... bad-interpreter is a wrong #! line in a script, or script is in crlf - which is the case, if 'od -b filename|grep 015' returns something; ask me about crlf->unix - or script is not executable (use chmod +x on it), or script is on a partition mounted with the noexec (mounting with "user" implies that) option. |
| 22:25.37 | resiak | john: man apt-cache |
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| 22:25.56 | plugwash | how do i extract a deb without installing it? |
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| 22:26.11 | streuner | plugwash: dpkg -x |
| 22:26.16 | andpoi | thanks. |
| 22:26.19 | streuner | plugwash: or ar x |
| 22:26.24 | TwistedEmotions | why do you need to man apt-cache? theres like 4 options? |
| 22:26.45 | TwistedEmotions | apt-cache show and search are only things you need. |
| 22:26.46 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: Because that way he can see how to find out for himself how big a package is. |
| 22:26.53 | TwistedEmotions | ohhhhhh |
| 22:26.54 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
| 22:27.02 | TwistedEmotions | so apt-cache show |
| 22:27.04 | [Granger] | then again |
| 22:27.04 | TwistedEmotions | he |
| 22:27.05 | TwistedEmotions | h |
| 22:27.06 | MobyTurbo | "policy" is useful too |
| 22:27.07 | [Granger] | TwistedEmotions could tutor him |
| 22:27.12 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: And it involves less typing for me than "Hey, john, did you know that if you run apt-cache show foo you can see how big package foo is?" |
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| 22:27.15 | resiak | !tell TwistedEmotions -about enter |
| 22:27.23 | TwistedEmotions | Haha... I couldn't tutor shit... |
| 22:27.53 | TwistedEmotions | !tell resiak about stopcomplaining |
| 22:27.58 | TwistedEmotions | Err... didnt work. |
| 22:28.14 | resiak | No, it didn't work. Why should I stop complaining, exactly? |
| 22:28.24 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: I guess that factoid should read "pbblllt"? ;) |
| 22:28.37 | TwistedEmotions | becuase I used enter like 3 times.. |
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| 22:28.41 | TwistedEmotions | *because |
| 22:28.48 | MobyTurbo | resiak: because |
| 22:28.56 | MobyTurbo | there's |
| 22:28.56 | MobyTurbo | nothing |
| 22:28.56 | MobyTurbo | wrong |
| 22:28.56 | MobyTurbo | with |
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| 22:29.05 | TwistedEmotions | I didnt do that... hahahha |
| 22:29.05 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:29.12 | [Granger] | idiot |
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| 22:29.24 | TwistedEmotions | MobyTurbo: #flood |
| 22:29.27 | MobyTurbo | oops! |
| 22:29.28 | TwistedEmotions | hahahahhahah |
| 22:29.29 | inu | ah, it's still sunday in some places.. |
| 22:29.47 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... it's sunday most of the world. |
| 22:29.53 | MobyTurbo | !sing sunday |
| 22:29.53 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 22:29.57 | hail04 | most? |
| 22:30.01 | streuner | Mo Mai 16 00:30:00 CEST 2005 |
| 22:30.04 | resiak | In 30 minutes, over half the world will be in Monday. |
| 22:30.07 | streuner | sunday is over here |
| 22:30.07 | hail04 | I would have thought some more than all |
| 22:30.10 | hail04 | most* |
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| 22:30.18 | hail04 | Monday morning here 8:28AM |
| 22:30.29 | inu | twistedemotions, not here, and here is what matters to me :) |
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| 22:30.43 | TwistedEmotions | Sorry.. I thought backwards.. |
| 22:30.51 | RaCarter | can I use ifconfig to change to a static ip address? |
| 22:31.02 | TwistedEmotions | US... Sunday Rest of world... monday. |
| 22:31.29 | MobyTurbo | It's only 18:34 in EDT |
| 22:31.51 | Supaplex | Sun May 15 16:31:52 MDT 2005 |
| 22:32.15 | TwistedEmotions | MobyTurbo: Only 15:32 in Pacific... you know what I have noticed? EDT is ALways 3 hours ahead... funny huh? |
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| 22:32.26 | MobyTurbo | Supaplex: yeah, my system clock is a few minutes fast |
| 22:32.50 | garung | hey people which debian is stable? |
| 22:32.55 | garung | sarge? |
| 22:33.08 | MobyTurbo | garung: woody. You probably don't want woody though. |
| 22:33.16 | garung | oh |
| 22:33.21 | Guerin | A |
| 22:33.30 | garung | i want to reinstall my debian, i can't stand sid anymore. |
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| 22:33.44 | john | why reinstall? |
| 22:33.49 | MobyTurbo | !d-i garung |
| 22:33.50 | dpkg | garung, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:33.52 | thingfish | garung: I had that same feeling. |
| 22:33.54 | resiak | john: Because you can't downgrade. |
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| 22:34.14 | coll | hey guys |
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| 22:34.28 | john | resiak: isn't sid less stable then sarge? |
| 22:34.33 | garung | thanks MobyTurbo |
| 22:34.37 | resiak | john: This is the whole point :) |
| 22:34.38 | MobyTurbo | np |
| 22:34.42 | john | resiak: Couldn't he change apt sources to stable ? |
| 22:34.42 | coll | so i've been wondering still why my ip-up.d/ and ip-down.d/ scripts won't run |
| 22:34.49 | Guerin | !downgrade |
| 22:34.49 | dpkg | i heard downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 22:34.51 | muwu | I finished setting up KDE/Xwindows... so 3.4 is not available? |
| 22:34.53 | john | and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 22:35.04 | resiak | john: ^^ |
| 22:35.07 | coll | i am using a custome script to run pptp/pppd |
| 22:35.11 | resiak | !topicsmite muwu |
| 22:35.11 | RaCarter | is there a way to change to a static ip from the command line? |
| 22:35.12 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon muwu. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:35.17 | resiak | RaCarter: man interfaces |
| 22:35.18 | RaCarter | without editing any files in vi |
| 22:35.25 | Guerin | RaCarter: man ifconfig |
| 22:35.28 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite muwu |
| 22:35.29 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon muwu. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:35.30 | john | aw. |
| 22:35.38 | TwistedEmotions | I'm building my own kernel and I ran the command fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version -486 --initrd \ like 20 minutes ago... next is --revision=rev.01 kernel_image \ then modules_image right? |
| 22:35.49 | lewis | is there a command to 'empty' a text file? (i.e. clear it of all information, but keep the file properties the same) |
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| 22:35.55 | Guerin | !tell TwistedEmotions about kp mantra |
| 22:35.56 | muwu | I don't think that topic was here when I got here... about a couple of hours ago.. |
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| 22:36.16 | resiak | 23:35 -!- Topic set by caphuso [] [Wed May 4 05:13:29 2005] |
| 22:36.19 | resiak | muwu: Yes, it was. |
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| 22:36.20 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: thanks. |
| 22:36.51 | resiak | RaCarter: How about editing interfaces in emacs -- would that do? |
| 22:36.59 | RaCarter | funny |
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| 22:38.04 | Supaplex | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up() |
| 22:38.10 | Supaplex | enjoy. |
| 22:38.15 | TwistedEmotions | Jesus... some ugly ass weather in California right now... cloudy and hot as hell... UV warning is high too. |
| 22:38.45 | yarddog | hope it burns |
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| 22:39.47 | roo9 | cafuego: they immortalized you on bash.org! http://bash.org/?6804 |
| 22:39.54 | roo9 | cafuego: and your funny too! |
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| 22:40.04 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: Guerin: What am I doing wrong... http://channels.debian.net/paste/143 |
| 22:40.30 | TwistedEmotions | I'm following debian documentation instructions... |
| 22:40.51 | Sphere- | need some help with Kernel upgrading |
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| 22:41.05 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: Always run make-kpkg clean between builds. |
| 22:41.13 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: Read teh appropriate chapter of the Debian reference. |
| 22:41.15 | Supaplex | lol: An error occurred while loading about:blank: |
| 22:41.15 | resiak | !d-r |
| 22:41.15 | dpkg | methinks d-r is see debian reference |
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| 22:41.22 | Sphere- | I know there's 2 way, install an already made kernel-image, or compile one yourself.. which one's better ? |
| 22:41.24 | Supaplex | The process for the about protocol died unexpectedly. |
| 22:41.25 | RaCarter | is there a way to cycle through commands in vi? |
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| 22:41.26 | resiak | dpkg: no, d-r is <reply> see debian reference |
| 22:41.26 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 22:41.36 | resiak | Sphere-: The former. |
| 22:41.45 | RaCarter | like when you hit the up button in the bash shell you see old commands, is there a way to do that in vi? |
| 22:41.48 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: Why are you compiling as root? |
| 22:41.54 | resiak | RaCarter: Sure. : then the arrow keys. |
| 22:41.55 | Sphere- | resiak - installing an already made kernel image ? |
| 22:42.01 | resiak | RaCarter: (Assuming you are using vim.) |
| 22:42.04 | resiak | Sphere-: Absolutely. |
| 22:42.07 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: what's the difference? |
| 22:42.14 | Supaplex | you're not getting kernel-image and kernel-package mixed up are you? |
| 22:42.20 | madduck | any channel ops here? please /msg madduck |
| 22:42.24 | Sphere- | resiak -> any pointers on where I can find more info on the process ? |
| 22:42.26 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: You shouldn't do anything you don't have to as root. |
| 22:42.30 | PerfDave | madduck: /msg dpkg ops |
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| 22:43.04 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: ohh... kk |
| 22:43.10 | resiak | Sphere-: apt-cache search ^kernel-image ; pick one; apt-get install kernel-image-2.x.y-foo-bar |
| 22:43.27 | Sphere- | alright resiak - thanks :) |
| 22:43.29 | resiak | Sphere-: Then reboot with your shiny new kernel. |
| 22:44.07 | lewis | anyone here had recent problems with proftpd and DefaultRoot, where users could login, but were disconnected soon after? |
| 22:44.26 | resiak | !tell lewis -about bts |
| 22:44.28 | resiak | !tell lewis -about anyone |
| 22:44.42 | resiak | lewis: Sorry, the second one there was unjustified. |
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| 22:45.57 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: using... $ fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version -486 --initrd \ |
| 22:45.57 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.57 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.03 | benjamindees | lewis, debian.uchicago.edu seems to |
| 22:46.04 | nunez | Are there any more sites like Attrition.org that are up to date that list defaced sites? |
| 22:46.12 | Sphere- | resiak - what's the difference between 686, and 686SMP ? |
| 22:46.22 | resiak | !smp |
| 22:46.23 | dpkg | [smp] (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's |
| 22:46.32 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: Sorry... ignore that question... hella bad formatting.. |
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| 22:46.47 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: That's _exactly_ the same command. |
| 22:47.09 | Sphere- | alright.. danke.. :) so all I gotta do is apt-get install kernel-image-xx-xx-xx and I'm done ? |
| 22:47.14 | resiak | Sphere-: Unless you have multiple processors or hyper-threading, pick a non-smp kernel. |
| 22:47.18 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: that's what I am asking... the \ at the end of each of their lines confused me.. |
| 22:47.26 | resiak | Sphere-: Yes. Probably kernel-image-2.6.8-2.686 for most people. |
| 22:47.29 | TwistedEmotions | so they dont want \ 's in the command.. |
| 22:47.44 | TwistedEmotions | sorry.. just wasnt thinking... makes sense now. |
| 22:47.48 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: That means "continue the command on the next line" when it's at the end of a line. You can type those if you want to type the command on multiple lies. |
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| 22:48.26 | supaman | is etch in testing yet? |
| 22:48.33 | lewis | what are the default permissions (in number format if possible) that /etc/shadow should be at? |
| 22:48.46 | resiak | !topicsmite supaman |
| 22:48.47 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon supaman. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 22:48.49 | plugwash | etch won't exist until sarge releases |
| 22:49.20 | resiak | lewis: 640 |
| 22:49.20 | Sphere- | resiak - it's p4 3.0 ht |
| 22:49.20 | plugwash | !wwsr |
| 22:49.20 | TwistedEmotions | fuck... have to build the kernel all over again... god dammit... there goes 20 minutes... |
| 22:49.20 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. The current estimate is that it will be released around May 30th. Latest release update: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20050503.194632.8f44e65b.en.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. Sarge takes too long? ask me about <vancouver> |
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| 22:49.49 | gravity | When steve says so |
| 22:49.53 | supaman | plugwash: hmm, as I understood the docs then when a release is frozen it goes into the frozen directory and the sid goes into testing, is this wrong? |
| 22:49.54 | resiak | Sphere-: Then pick an -smp kernel. |
| 22:50.02 | resiak | supaman: Yes. sid will never release. |
| 22:50.08 | resiak | supaman: Etch will be the next testing. |
| 22:50.09 | Guerin | no |
| 22:50.19 | Guerin | not when it's frozen; when it's relelased |
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| 22:50.27 | resiak | TwistedEmotions_: apt-cache show ccache. |
| 22:50.32 | gravity | supaman: There's no frozen directory any more. It doesn't work that way. |
| 22:50.43 | gravity | I think that's how it used to be, but not these days |
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| 22:51.01 | supaman | gravity: then the docs in debian.org are outdated |
| 22:51.06 | TwistedEmotions_ | resiak: Huh? dont trip... new command already running.. |
| 22:51.08 | lewis | it looks as if /var/run/proftpd.scoreboard and /var/run/proftpd.delay were causing problems - once deleted, all was fine. |
| 22:51.10 | gravity | supaman: It happens. |
| 22:51.36 | supaman | gravity: sure does :-) |
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| 22:51.57 | gravity | supaman: If you want to update them, go for it |
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| 22:52.26 | resiak | TwistedEmotions_: I'm just suggesting ccache for the future. |
| 22:53.00 | lewis | (beats me what those two files do) |
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| 22:54.19 | oxy | hello |
| 22:54.20 | oxy | :( |
| 22:54.45 | resiak | Hello! |
| 22:54.47 | resiak | ^__^ |
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| 22:58.27 | XanaXa | hey guys I have a question for you, I am having some problems relaying with postfix and I am currious if when I run netstat -vatn if port 25 should be listed like this: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 22:58.51 | Supaplex | looks normal |
| 22:58.56 | XanaXa | shouldn't I have my IP listed instead of 0.0.0.0:25 |
| 22:59.03 | MikeH | what package would i normally find "uncompress" in? |
| 22:59.12 | Supaplex | 0.0.0.0 is like * - it's bound to any interface |
| 22:59.14 | petemc | XanaXa: that means all interfaces |
| 22:59.33 | andpoi | Okay, when installing TCL, I do ./configure and then "Make" |
| 22:59.37 | XanaXa | I know that but my problem is that I am unable to telnet to the box and that port |
| 22:59.37 | resiak | MikeH: ncompress ? |
| 22:59.40 | andpoi | does anyone else know what to do next. |
| 22:59.43 | resiak | andpoi: no, you apt-get install it. |
| 22:59.49 | lewis | man - I love debian - someone asks for GB image library, you think - ergh - thousands of packages to compile/configure, then you think 'apt-get install php-gd' and bam, it is done. |
| 22:59.59 | gfoxiness | if there a free space on my sbd2 partition what is the setp need to create partition "ext3" ready to use ,what am do cfdisk n than W than mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb2 is there more or somehting im missid here ? |
| 23:00.05 | andpoi | what is the package called? |
| 23:00.14 | resiak | !tell andpoi -about search |
| 23:01.10 | resiak | andpoi: Because I'm feeling nice, it's tk8.4 . You should learn to use apt-cache search, though. Try typing man apt-cache to see the manual. Alternatively, apt-get install synaptic (synaptic is a GUI for apt) |
| 23:01.36 | XanaXa | Supaplex or petemc: When I scan the box it does not show port 25 as open |
| 23:01.53 | petemc | XanaXa: some isps block port 25 |
| 23:02.48 | XanaXa | what port is mail received on? |
| 23:02.55 | Supaplex | 25 |
| 23:02.57 | XanaXa | cause I am receiving mail just fine on the box |
| 23:02.58 | andpoi | E: Couldn't find package tk8.4. |
| 23:03.01 | petemc | 25, or 487 |
| 23:03.09 | petemc | i think |
| 23:03.24 | Supaplex | why 487? |
| 23:03.29 | andpoi | E: Couldn't find package tk8.4. |
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| 23:03.42 | Supaplex | 465 for ssl+smtp |
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| 23:03.50 | resiak | andpoi: Without the fullstop. |
| 23:03.53 | XanaXa | not using ssl with it |
| 23:03.57 | andpoi | full stop? |
| 23:04.04 | XanaXa | just open smtp |
| 23:04.07 | resiak | andpoi: Period. |
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| 23:04.25 | petemc | Supaplex: or even 465, ssl |
| 23:04.34 | andpoi | I know, us americans are fags. |
| 23:04.43 | Supaplex | andpoi: speak for yourself. |
| 23:04.46 | andpoi | Lol |
| 23:05.10 | XanaXa | it can use 25 if you use TLS I believe |
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| 23:05.13 | XanaXa | but either way shouldn't it show as open when I scan it |
| 23:05.23 | XanaXa | or netcat to the port |
| 23:05.30 | petemc | or telnet |
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| 23:06.08 | andpoi | Sorry, tk8.3 is already the newest version. |
| 23:06.08 | andpoi | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 23:06.30 | Supaplex | petemc: grep smtp /etc/services does wonders :) |
| 23:06.30 | Sphere- | resiak - thx.. all done .. worked like a charm :)) |
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| 23:06.47 | XanaXa | I am getting this error when I -vvv with netcat DNS fwd/rev mismatch: |
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| 23:06.48 | resiak | Sphere-: Good stuff. |
| 23:07.04 | resiak | andpoi: Then why are you installing tk? |
| 23:07.09 | petemc | Supaplex: yeah, that was off the top of my head, fairly stoned here :) |
| 23:07.33 | Supaplex | XanaXa: this is the same reason an inferior mail client would complain with error 0x800CCC0D or 0x800CCC0E. :) |
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| 23:08.11 | XanaXa | well even when I use the IP it does not connect and does not give an error |
| 23:08.12 | andpoi | resiak, I'd like to thank you for helping. anything I can do for you? |
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| 23:08.37 | jason_ | jason_ |
| 23:08.44 | jason_ | lol, woops |
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| 23:09.39 | resiak | andpoi: Mail me a beer? ;-) |
| 23:10.28 | resiak | andpoi: More seriously, what you can do for me is read every manual you can find. If you run man cmd, you get the manual for cmd. For example, man apt-get. Reading the manual is the path to success. |
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| 23:11.01 | simonrvn | ...not a bear, 'cause bears are big and brown, and beers are are small and brown |
| 23:11.15 | chealer | resiak: I red a couple of manuals for you :) |
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| 23:11.25 | resiak | chealer: You did? Good stuff. :-) |
| 23:11.42 | chealer | resiak: yeah, I hope you're happy :-P |
| 23:11.58 | resiak | chealer: I am. |
| 23:12.03 | jasoncohen | vancouver |
| 23:12.31 | resiak | Sevastapol. |
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| 23:12.38 | resiak | Melbourne. |
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| 23:18.54 | XanaXa | ah ha. SBC is blocking port 25 now |
| 23:19.03 | XanaXa | good reason to switch ISP's |
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| 23:19.18 | nelson | Phil Karn had a very public cow over that. |
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| 23:19.27 | XanaXa | over what |
| 23:19.27 | Supaplex | XanaXa: did my hint help? :) I suspected that from the onset. |
| 23:19.36 | XanaXa | well yes and no |
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| 23:19.41 | shizz | hi |
| 23:19.45 | XanaXa | it was working fine up until 2 weeks ago |
| 23:19.53 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 23:20.02 | XanaXa | however I suspected the other box was blocking 25 since it is on another ISP |
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| 23:20.34 | bobbyd | hi |
| 23:20.43 | shizz | someone help me get my sound working on debian sarge, pleae |
| 23:20.44 | shizz | please* |
| 23:20.50 | bobbyd | can anyone tell me where i can get a source for mythtv? |
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| 23:20.53 | XanaXa | but then I tried connecting to a known good box with 25 open and it told me to get screwed and my packets were all getting dropped, plus I ran tcpdump and my other box received no connections at all on 25 |
| 23:21.48 | tix64 | XanaXa: your ISP wants you to use their smtp server. or you use the message submission protocol which many ISP's run on port 587. |
| 23:22.10 | shizz | someone help me get my sound working on debian sarge, please. |
| 23:22.17 | resiak | !tell shizz -about repeat |
| 23:22.20 | resiak | !faq shizz |
| 23:22.21 | dpkg | shizz: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:22.29 | shizz | sigh |
| 23:22.54 | bobbyd | shizz: what card? oss or alsa? |
| 23:22.57 | resiak | shizz: If you're not going to be any more specific, that's all we can give you., |
| 23:23.06 | shizz | well, im sorry. |
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| 23:23.17 | shizz | i have an audigy card, and im new to debian |
| 23:23.30 | resiak | shizz: So ... read the FAQ |
| 23:23.55 | jasoncohen | is sid really only targeted at developers or do others use it? |
| 23:24.02 | B_Raven | shizz: tried running alsa-config as root? |
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| 23:24.15 | resiak | !tell jasoncohen -about sid faq |
| 23:24.41 | resiak | jasoncohen: Others do use it. However, if they come crying in #d about how it's eaten their disk, or their dog, we will point and laugh. |
| 23:25.12 | jasoncohen | heh |
| 23:25.30 | jasoncohen | it has been known to destroy people's data? |
| 23:26.00 | Supaplex | well it's the exception, not neccessarly the rule. (FUD) |
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| 23:26.30 | Supaplex | jasoncohen: how long have you been using debian? |
| 23:26.39 | resiak | jasoncohen: Yes, it has been known to run rm -rf * in /. |
| 23:27.05 | jasoncohen | not very long- i'm just asking out of interest |
| 23:27.54 | jasoncohen | Supaplex, i used mandrake for 1.5 years and then went to debian a few days ago. I'm doing fine in testing- have my hardware setup etc. and it's running great |
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| 23:28.34 | Muwu2 | Dpkg isn't helping me much on Java. What package do I need to do make-jvpg? Tha |
| 23:28.36 | jasoncohen | and if i have a particular need for a package like firefox 1.0.4 i install it from unstable - i set my default release as testing so i could add an unstable source to install from |
| 23:28.36 | Muwu2 | thanks |
| 23:28.37 | Supaplex | jasoncohen: testing is probly fine if you're polished in linux overall. give ti a few months before dabbling with sid. |
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| 23:29.43 | jasoncohen | Supaplex, part of the reason i decided to use debian is because i want to learn more. Mandrake isn't exactly a great place to learn. I also like the up to date + huge package selection but i'm a bit worried that testing doesn't get security patches until after both woody & unstable |
| 23:29.51 | Muwu2 | jasoncohen, so how do I install firefox 1.0.4? using apt-get? |
| 23:30.00 | andpoi | I hate z0r mandrake |
| 23:30.03 | resiak | Muwu2: You don't. |
| 23:30.18 | resiak | Muwu2: Well, you do. |
| 23:30.23 | Muwu2 | i c.. well, firefox iseasy to install anyways... just unzip/run.. |
| 23:30.24 | resiak | !quick sid/sarge mix |
| 23:30.24 | dpkg | hmm... quick sid/sarge mix is echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update, apt-get -t unstable install foo to install foo from sid rather than sarge |
| 23:30.25 | jasoncohen | andpoi, the recent versions of mandrake have been good to me |
| 23:30.33 | andpoi | I dont' like it. |
| 23:30.36 | andpoi | It's too easy. |
| 23:30.39 | andpoi | :-) |
| 23:30.41 | jasoncohen | Muwu2, ok- do this |
| 23:31.14 | shizz | okay, well how do I know if my soundcard is capable of alsa or oss? |
| 23:31.15 | jasoncohen | echo 'ATP::Default-Release "testing" >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 23:31.18 | Supaplex | jasoncohen: well, that's one of the big caveats with testing. You should be able to packport anything to testing from sid if you're in that situation. on occasion security updates will be released for everything (serious ssh exploits etc). |
| 23:31.27 | Muwu2 | hmm.. I think I will not mix Sid to my pristine sarge just yet.. |
| 23:31.43 | jasoncohen | sorry- the correct line is echo 'ATP::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 23:31.57 | Muwu2 | but which package do I need for make-jvpkg? thanks. (tried both apt-cache and dpkg bot, no help). |
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| 23:32.13 | resiak | Muwu2: jvpkg? |
| 23:32.16 | resiak | Muwu2: As in Java? |
| 23:32.20 | resiak | !tell Muwu2 -about java |
| 23:32.27 | B_Raven | shizz: you say your card is an audigy. Have one myself, works perfectly with alsa and the emu10k driver. |
| 23:32.35 | Supaplex | jasoncohen: Muwu2 reminds me of 'pinning' as well. ask dpkg about it. :) |
| 23:32.44 | shizz | B_Raven, thanks |
| 23:32.45 | resiak | shizz: Works like an absolute dream for me with Alsa. Run alsaconf as root. |
| 23:32.52 | Muwu2 | I did.. I already talked with dpkg.. |
| 23:33.12 | Muwu2 | he/she/it is no help.. the last thing it mentioned being use make-jvpk... |
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| 23:33.32 | jasoncohen | Supaplex, i was told that a new project has started to give testing security patches. nothing seems to have come of it though based on the security updates page |
| 23:33.34 | resiak | Muwu2: Use "tell me about foo" to avoid the truncation. |
| 23:33.43 | resiak | dondelelcaro: dpkg still truncates stuff in /msg ! |
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| 23:34.14 | shizz | resiak, i dont seem to have that command |
| 23:34.46 | jasoncohen | Supaplex, are there particular packages from unstable that it's generally unadvisable to install on testing? |
| 23:34.51 | Muwu2 | telling yourself bar bir bor.. it says.. ah. |
| 23:34.58 | resiak | !tell shizz -about alsa |
| 23:35.11 | resiak | shizz: What does uname -r say? Do you have a 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:35.32 | resiak | shizz: If not, apt-get install a 2.6.8 kernel-image. |
| 23:35.33 | shizz | i updated my kernel |
| 23:35.47 | shizz | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 23:35.52 | Supaplex | jasoncohen: I don't mind sid, but I'm usualy quite happy with stable and some backports. I have sarge running on a production box because freeside requires lots of stuff not available there. |
| 23:35.55 | shizz | wait |
| 23:36.09 | shizz | resiak, i was told i should update the kernel while in gui |
| 23:36.12 | resiak | shizz: Did you reboot into your new kernel? |
| 23:36.13 | shizz | resiak, is this true? |
| 23:36.18 | Supaplex | jasoncohen: my production mail server uses backports of clamav and other related pakcages to (on woody) |
| 23:36.20 | resiak | shizz: It doesn't matter either way. |
| 23:36.21 | shizz | shouldn't* |
| 23:36.23 | shizz | oh |
| 23:36.24 | shizz | okay |
| 23:37.03 | shizz | resiak, sorry Im new - how can I determine which kernal-image is for me? |
| 23:37.05 | resiak | shizz: Updating gdm from within X can be a bad idea, since it can cause gdm to restart and take X away with it. |
| 23:37.08 | resiak | shizz: What's your processor? |
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| 23:37.20 | jasoncohen | Supaplex, i read that debian will only be releasing in 4 architectures in the next release and thus they expect a 12-18 month release frame. Will that lead to packages going into testing quicker because they won't have to compile for 11 archs? |
| 23:37.35 | shin | hey! |
| 23:37.38 | shizz | resiak, my processor is 1500+ athlon |
| 23:37.41 | gravity | jasoncohen: Not exactly... |
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| 23:37.51 | jasoncohen | Supaplex, sarge is stable enough to run on a production server? |
| 23:37.55 | gravity | jasoncohen: No one is sure how migration to testing will change, if at all |
| 23:38.03 | shin | anyone has an idea on why i suddenly couldnt write in the graphical mode? |
| 23:38.14 | Supaplex | jasoncohen: it's more of an issue of quality control on 11 archs. I think some of the other archs will still be around, but the big push for full support will not be. You'll have to rely on source :) |
| 23:38.22 | shin | i could still use the mouse and use ctrl or alt + buttons |
| 23:38.22 | jasoncohen | how long does it usually take- a few days for security updates? |
| 23:38.28 | gravity | jasoncohen: And Debian is not simply dropping all those other arches. They simply will have to pull their weight to release officially at the same time |
| 23:38.46 | Supaplex | jasoncohen: it's what my billing server uses. testing is more stable then most ppl think, but the stable mantra is "it never breaks". |
| 23:38.47 | jasoncohen | it seems dumb that you have to wait for all 11 architectures to complete when an i386 user only cares about i386 etc. |
| 23:38.49 | resiak | shizz: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
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| 23:39.25 | cafuego | Kernel.org does rss now :-) |
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| 23:39.36 | shizz | resiak, ill brb |
| 23:39.41 | Supaplex | cafuego: about time! :) sweet |
| 23:39.44 | jasoncohen | Supaplex, how does testing compare to other "stable" distros like FC3? |
| 23:40.03 | shin | oh and im using xfce4 |
| 23:40.05 | jasoncohen | everyone thinks mandrake is flakey though i haven't had stability issues except for a kernel panic on one kernel version |
| 23:40.14 | shizz | resiak, might I ask how i benefit from kernel upgrading? |
| 23:40.20 | thingfish | jasoncohen, even sid is more stable than most other "final release" distros out there. |
| 23:40.34 | Supaplex | true hehe |
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| 23:41.12 | jasoncohen | thingfish, if that's the case, why do so few people use it- not worth the chance that your system might get trashed? |
| 23:41.15 | resiak | shizz: Because sound stuffs work _much_ better on 2.6 kernels. |
| 23:41.51 | thingfish | jasoncohen, well there's an element of risk, that's why. Some people are risk-takers, some aren't. |
| 23:42.01 | paulswm | jasoncohen: I don't think that thingfish was *recommending* sid, just drawing a (valid) comparison |
| 23:42.03 | TwistedEmotions | Just ran the command "fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version -486 --initrd --revision=rev.01 kernel_image modules_image" but it didnt createpcmcia-cs*.deb... any ideas? |
| 23:42.08 | shizz | resiak, btw which desktop environment do you reccomend? |
| 23:42.20 | Supaplex | oh great, another survey |
| 23:42.29 | resiak | shizz: Please don't ask me that. :-) |
| 23:42.29 | jasoncohen | so, a lockup on testing is fairly rare? |
| 23:42.39 | shizz | :S |
| 23:42.43 | shizz | my mistake? |
| 23:42.58 | resiak | jasoncohen: That's not the kind of thing that's likely to go wrong on any of them. Sid breakages are normally programs just not working, dependencies being stuffed, etc. |
| 23:43.05 | MobyTurbo | shizz: window managers > desktop environments |
| 23:43.06 | Supaplex | jasoncohen: you're more likely to get a glitchy program behaivor then anything else. check the bts for the types of bugs you'll see. |
| 23:43.08 | TwistedEmotions | *create pcmcia-cs*.deb i mean.. |
| 23:43.09 | thingfish | jasoncohen, I used sid for 6 months, I only encountered minor bugs. |
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| 23:43.33 | cafuego | thingfish: Sid 8does* sometimes break *very* badly. |
| 23:43.34 | gravity | I've used unstable for five+ years. Minimal problems, save once 4 years ago |
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| 23:43.38 | shizz | MobyTurbo, ? |
| 23:43.39 | jasoncohen | thingfish, have you encountered anything serious on testing? |
| 23:43.52 | jasoncohen | lol...that does sound better than most "stable" distros |
| 23:44.04 | thingfish | cafuego, oh, that's for sure, I wouldn't want to give an impression other than that. |
| 23:44.13 | thingfish | jasoncohen, I haven't used testing. |
| 23:44.18 | jasoncohen | gravity, what happened 4 years ago? |
| 23:44.22 | Supaplex | just don't auto upgrade from cron or something silly :) |
| 23:44.34 | cafuego | Testing is about to go stable (within 2 or so weeks?) so that is a good choice. |
| 23:44.35 | jasoncohen | lol |
| 23:44.54 | thingfish | jasoncohen, you just have to understand that Debian is all about stability and quality. Even the testing and unstable versions are superior to most other linuxes. |
| 23:45.08 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know whats up? Why "fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version -486 --initrd --revision=rev.01 kernel_image modules_image" didn't create pcmcia-cs*.deb? |
| 23:45.17 | RoundQube | testing is bleeding edge right? more so than unstable |
| 23:45.25 | gravity | jasoncohen: A problem with pam that kept people from logging in |
| 23:45.31 | cafuego | RoundQube: No. |
| 23:45.31 | RoundQube | if im running testing, its the most current packages? |
| 23:45.32 | paulswm | jasoncohen: I have used testing for years with few issues. |
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| 23:45.43 | gravity | jasoncohen: But that raised holy hell and there hasn't been a problem like it since |
| 23:45.43 | thingfish | testing is not really bleeding edge |
| 23:45.48 | jasoncohen | thingfish, but testing also seems to be a good desktop distro as it has a huge package selection + a great package manager + fairly recent packages |
| 23:45.54 | RoundQube | i was told it was testing->unstable->stable |
| 23:46.01 | gravity | RoundQube: What? |
| 23:46.02 | cafuego | RoundQube: You were told wrong. |
| 23:46.03 | raz0 | RoundQube, It's experimental > unstable > testing > stable |
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| 23:46.11 | RoundQube | so unstable has the latest package? |
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| 23:46.27 | Gnea | hrm... this should be simple... i just need a shell script to print a range of all numbers like this: for i in [1-100]; do echo "$i"; done what am i missing? |
| 23:46.27 | paulswm | RoundQube: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 23:46.28 | TwistedEmotions | RoundQube: No... unstable >testing> stable |
| 23:46.31 | gravity | RoundQube: Yes, aside from experimental, which is probably not what you want |
| 23:46.33 | RoundQube | so what are they testing? to make suure some fatal bugs are worked out before it goes stable? |
| 23:46.36 | Supaplex | well MABROTHRAX has the latest aol. |
| 23:46.39 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know whats up? Why "fakeroot make-kpkg --append_to_version -486 --initrd --revision=rev.01 kernel_image modules_image" didn't create pcmcia-cs*.deb?\ |
| 23:46.41 | Muwu2 | Been using testinf for four hours now.. doesn't seem to be bleeding edge... KDE 3.3, kernel 2.6.8-2 |
| 23:46.42 | thingfish | jasoncohen, yes, testing would be good for most people's needs as far as a desktop is concerned. |
| 23:46.47 | MABROTHRAX | hi ! |
| 23:46.52 | MobyTurbo | RoundQube: usually not especially newer than testing unless a major dependency in unstable is holding up packages |
| 23:46.55 | TwistedEmotions | thingfish: any idea? |
| 23:46.57 | gravity | testing has slowed up lately due to the freeze |
| 23:46.57 | jasoncohen | so, if sid is usually pretty stable and testing even more stable- then it should be no problem to use a few unstable apps, right? |
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| 23:47.01 | TwistedEmotions | MobyTurbo: Any idea? |
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| 23:47.05 | MABROTHRAX | not in france... ;) |
| 23:47.14 | petemc | Gnea: seq |
| 23:47.25 | shizz | rebooting |
| 23:47.34 | plugwash | MobyTurbo that may be true normally but sarge is frozen atm |
| 23:47.35 | MobyTurbo | TwistedEmotions: I just use the stock kernel-images. |
| 23:47.40 | thingfish | TwistedEmotions, sorry, I'm not the person to ask if you have troubles doing your own kernel. |
| 23:47.48 | Gnea | petemc: rockin', thanks |
| 23:47.52 | paulswm | jasoncohen: mixing distros can result in dependency issues. |
| 23:47.53 | RoundQube | so unsable packages make their way to testing before they become stable? |
| 23:47.55 | TwistedEmotions | thingfish: MobyTurbo: Ohh.. thanks. |
| 23:47.55 | plugwash | so i'd imagine quite a bit is going into sid now that won't get into testing before sarge release |
| 23:48.04 | jasoncohen | RoundQube, yes |
| 23:48.07 | MABROTHRAX | i have basic question for u ... |
| 23:48.09 | MobyTurbo | plugwash: it's only been frozen two weeks, I doubt there's much that's been released in that time that is of great importance. |
| 23:48.15 | thingfish | I think that's one of the advantages to using Debian...let the guys who know what they're doing create the kernels. |
| 23:48.23 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 23:48.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 23:48.41 | TwistedEmotions | thingfish: I used apt-get... |
| 23:48.50 | thingfish | ok |
| 23:48.54 | jasoncohen | anyone know if btaudio is included in the kernel? |
| 23:48.54 | TwistedEmotions | thingfish: I thought I was leaving up to them.. lol |
| 23:48.59 | jasoncohen | it wasn't in FC3 |
| 23:49.02 | Muwu2 | hmm... that's the first time I've seen someone getting hyped over "U" |
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| 23:49.08 | thingfish | eww, fc3 |
| 23:49.21 | jasoncohen | thingfish, why don't you like fc3? i was thinking about using it |
| 23:49.26 | thingfish | fc3 was a buggy mess of trash, on my computer at least. |
| 23:49.30 | jasoncohen | lol |
| 23:49.35 | thingfish | seriously |
| 23:49.39 | Simpleton | whats that dpkg command to get the ntfs mount line? |
| 23:49.45 | abrotman | jasoncohen: you just stopped using it |
| 23:49.52 | abrotman | !tell Simpleton about ntfs |
| 23:49.55 | gravity | fc... where you can test Redhat's corporate offerings for no pay |
| 23:49.55 | jasoncohen | abrotman, i used it on my father's box |
| 23:49.59 | jasoncohen | abrotman, i never installed it |
| 23:50.09 | Simpleton | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.17 | thingfish | jasoncohen, you have to understand fedora doesn't care so much about quality, they're only a testbed for RHEL. |
| 23:50.18 | MABROTHRAX | who can tell me how to know my architectural ? |
| 23:50.29 | jasoncohen | thingfish, true |
| 23:50.36 | petemc | MABROTHRAX: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:50.39 | gravity | MABROTHRAX: If you're asking, you're x86 |
| 23:50.40 | cafuego | MABROTHRAX: 'uname -m' |
| 23:50.42 | jasoncohen | thingfish, but you would think they would want to do a decent job then |
| 23:51.06 | paulswm | !beat people with uppder case nicks |
| 23:51.10 | thingfish | jasoncohen, yeah, you would think that, wouldn't you. |
| 23:51.10 | resiak | !tell Simpleton about tab |
| 23:51.11 | jasoncohen | i was thinking of using debian on my mythtv backend/file server but i can't seem to get mythtv to compile |
| 23:51.18 | resiak | Erm ... dpkg? |
| 23:51.23 | jasoncohen | thingfish, isn't RHEL damn solid? |
| 23:51.36 | Simpleton | i dont think tab is it either |
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| 23:51.43 | resiak | !tell Simpleton -about mount ntfs |
| 23:51.46 | jasoncohen | how does RHEL comopare to debian stable? |
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| 23:51.48 | herbi_ | cd;clear |
| 23:51.54 | Simpleton | there we go |
| 23:51.56 | thingfish | jasoncohen, I imagine it's solid-ish, but not as rock-stable as Debian. |
| 23:51.56 | herbi_ | er |
| 23:51.59 | abrotman | gravity: good answer :) |
| 23:52.21 | resiak | !tell Simpleton -about nicktab |
| 23:52.37 | Simpleton | why are you telling me about nicktab |
| 23:52.57 | resiak | Simpleton: Because you clearly don't know about it, and it's handy. |
| 23:53.28 | TonyB2005 | i need to get a wifi card to work |
| 23:53.28 | MABROTHRAX | when i see "intel x86" it's the same for AMD ; and i386 asked, i have i686, it work ? |
| 23:53.30 | thingfish | I mean, Debian cares about quality. Red Hat cares about money. That sort of says it all. |
| 23:53.34 | TonyB2005 | its a microsoft |
| 23:53.37 | Simpleton | I already know about that, It just doesnt seem to work in xchat |
| 23:53.39 | resiak | Simpleton: Contrary to what you may believe, I'm not a total bastard -- I'm actually trying to help out! My oh my, how could that be? How could it be that anyone on #d could care about helping people? Never. |
| 23:53.45 | resiak | Simpleton: Trust me, it does. |
| 23:53.48 | cafuego | MABROTHRAX: 686 is not an architecture, it's a cpu model. |
| 23:53.55 | MABROTHRAX | ok |
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| 23:54.08 | cafuego | MABROTHRAX: Your're on i386 with a 686 CPU. |
| 23:54.09 | TonyB2005 | i need to get a wireless nw card to work |
| 23:54.22 | MABROTHRAX | haaa! ok ;) |
| 23:54.24 | TonyB2005 | and i cant figure it out |
| 23:54.28 | TonyB2005 | ifup wlan0 |
| 23:54.28 | cafuego | TonyB2005: Did you check it's supportec by Linux before you bought it? |
| 23:54.40 | TonyB2005 | im helping my friend |
| 23:54.43 | TonyB2005 | and hes a moron |
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| 23:54.49 | TonyB2005 | its made by microsoft |
| 23:54.58 | TonyB2005 | im embarresed |
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| 23:55.10 | jasoncohen | thingfish, yes- but redhat is forced to care about quality if they want to keep their customers who i would imagine have dropped MS for the lack of quality |
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| 23:55.18 | paulswm | Simpleton: nicktab works fine on X-Chat. |
| 23:55.21 | deckrider | TonyB2005: actually I've heard that some microsoft wifi cards are good |
| 23:55.27 | TonyB2005 | but on linux |
| 23:55.38 | TonyB2005 | its a usb |
| 23:55.42 | abrotman | TonyB2005: are you using debian ? |
| 23:55.47 | jasoncohen | thingfish, and RHEL has an 18 month release cycle, right- not a 24 or 36 month cycle |
| 23:55.50 | TonyB2005 | hes usin debian |
| 23:55.58 | abrotman | dpkg -l libc6 .. please |
| 23:55.59 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 .. please |
| 23:56.00 | abrotman | err |
| 23:56.09 | jasoncohen | so, has anyone here compiled mythtv on debian? |
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| 23:56.10 | abrotman | TonyB2005: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
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| 23:56.24 | TonyB2005 | kk |
| 23:56.27 | MABROTHRAX | ok, if i understand right, i need a debian for i386, and that's all ? |
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| 23:56.45 | cafuego | MABROTHRAX: yes |
| 23:57.01 | MABROTHRAX | i love u ;) |
| 23:57.11 | Muwu2 | !u |
| 23:57.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:57.15 | cafuego | I'm married, get away from me! |
| 23:57.18 | TonyB2005 | 5:58] *** Sememmon (sememmon@ip68-2-180-200.ph.ph.cox.net) joined |
| 23:57.18 | TonyB2005 | [15:58] <abrotman> TonyB2005: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 23:57.20 | MABROTHRAX | lol |
| 23:57.21 | paulswm | !win cafuego |
| 23:57.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, cafuego! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 23:57.22 | TonyB2005 | sorry |
| 23:57.23 | thingfish | jasoncohen, yes but I like to think that Munich's decision to go with Debian (over Red Hat and Suse) is something that's going to be repeated many times over in the future. |
| 23:57.29 | leo | Hello all, how to know which bitrate to use in order to reduce the size of a video to a specific known size when reencoding it? I saw in the web things related to two pass, but it is not very clear, could somebody help me? (I'm using ffmpeg) |
| 23:57.41 | cafuego | MABROTHRAX: Fetch an i386 ISO from: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:57.42 | resiak | leo: does #ffmpeg exist? |
| 23:57.47 | resiak | !d-i MABROTHRAX |
| 23:57.48 | dpkg | MABROTHRAX, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:57.51 | leo | resiak: I don't know |
| 23:57.59 | Eclipser | oerf |
| 23:58.18 | leo | resiak: Yes it does! |
| 23:58.30 | resiak | leo: OMG! |
| 23:58.36 | jasoncohen | thingfish, but debian can't offer official support. Companies would probably choose the less stable product with on-site support if something goes wrong |
| 23:58.48 | jasoncohen | anyways, these decisions are often made on the business side or by bad IT people |
| 23:58.51 | leo | resiak: Object Management Group ? |
| 23:59.12 | thingfish | jasoncohen, or they go with the most stable and hire a company that knows how to support it. |
| 23:59.18 | paulswm | !omg |
| 23:59.18 | dpkg | i heard omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 23:59.39 | thingfish | jasoncohen, some companies know Debian and support it, that's the case with Munich for instance. |
| 23:59.47 | Supaplex | !botcookie |
| 23:59.48 | thingfish | gtg |
| 23:59.48 | resiak | paulswm: Stay away! Stay away! |
| 23:59.52 | resiak | !botsnack |
| 23:59.52 | dpkg | resiak: aw, gee |
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