| 00:00.01 | MABROTHRAX | do you know if i ca, find a debian in french ? |
| 00:00.28 | resiak | !fr |
| 00:00.47 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:00.47 | resiak | dpkg!!!!! |
| 00:00.47 | paulswm | resiak: :D |
| 00:00.47 | jasoncohen | thingfish, but by going with the manufacturer, if they have enough $$ they can force them to fix their problem. I've heard RH will make their software work with a custom software of a corporation which of course could have been causing the problem |
| 00:00.47 | resiak | MABROTHRAX: #debian-fr |
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| 00:01.15 | jasoncohen | i.e. - they'll send RH guys in to custom software to work with RH if the company is big enough and purchased enough licenses |
| 00:01.30 | paulswm | Well I for one really don't give a shit about Redhat. |
| 00:01.31 | jasoncohen | *make the custom software work with RH |
| 00:01.48 | tarzeau | paulswm: me too, and add gentoo, suse, novell and ubunut, knoppix to it |
| 00:02.03 | gravity | MABROTHRAX: Debian has French built in |
| 00:02.03 | MABROTHRAX | i don't speak currently in english, and it's give an harder job... |
| 00:02.13 | resiak | MABROTHRAX: /j #debian-fr |
| 00:02.13 | jasoncohen | why do people like gentoo so much> |
| 00:02.28 | abrotman | !gentooitis |
| 00:02.28 | dpkg | it has been said that gentooitis is a mental disorder which causes the sufferer to feel a constant craving for ever-higher version numbers, despite any warnings of bugs, problems, incompatibilities or other obstacles to productivity. Sufferers will often spend hours or days recompiling perfectly good packages for no benefit. Other symptoms include the use of mysql in place of ordinary text files, or the use of XML in any context whatsoever. |
| 00:02.29 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: because they don't know |
| 00:02.32 | paulswm | jasoncohen: Who cares? This is #debian, the channel is for debian users to help debian users |
| 00:02.33 | pureone | http://www.debian.org/index.fr.html |
| 00:02.58 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: humans are lazy |
| 00:03.10 | MABROTHRAX | ok, i thank you and i wish you a good night... bye |
| 00:03.11 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: why do 90% of poeple use windows? because it was preinstalled |
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| 00:04.32 | Eclipser | how would I get licq start automatically on xfce4 start up? |
| 00:04.52 | Eclipser | the session manager shows it in its list but doesn't start it when I relogin |
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| 00:05.38 | crashbg | what qt3 do i need to run xconfig? |
| 00:05.38 | crashbg | qt3-apps-dev or qt3-dev-tools |
| 00:05.38 | Supaplex | !bite resiak |
| 00:05.38 | Supaplex | :P |
| 00:05.38 | Supaplex | !eat resiak |
| 00:05.38 | Supaplex | meh worth a try hehe. |
| 00:05.38 | cafuego | MABROTHRAX: Just download the i386 I poatsed and tell it to be french when the install begins. |
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| 00:05.38 | Supaplex | bah, net lag |
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| 00:05.39 | kelan | woo |
| 00:05.41 | Eclipser | geez |
| 00:05.43 | Eclipser | a lot of lag |
| 00:05.48 | B_Raven | ..... |
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| 00:07.30 | Eclipser | I think no one noticed my question... |
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| 00:08.05 | resiak | Eclipser: Play around with saving your session. |
| 00:08.27 | resiak | Eclipser: Or you could stick a symlink to the binary in ~/Desktop/Autostart (I _think). |
| 00:08.33 | resiak | Whee, split! |
| 00:08.42 | nemo | qwuestion... I have packaged showing up on dpkg --list as 'rc' ... can I get rid of the configs and thus remove them from the list without having to reinstall them first? |
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| 00:08.54 | resiak | nemo: man dpk |
| 00:08.56 | resiak | nemo: man dpkg |
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| 00:09.10 | Eclipser | haven't seen this bad lag in IRC in ages |
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| 00:09.55 | paulswm | !test |
| 00:09.56 | dpkg | No, paulswm, you're not online any more. |
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| 00:10.16 | paulswm | !beer resiak |
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| 00:10.26 | nemo | resiak: ahh, of course. I'm so used to handling everything through apt-get these days ;) |
| 00:11.02 | paulswm | nemo: 'aptitude purge' should also remove them |
| 00:11.35 | nemo | never used aptitude... will look into. :) |
| 00:12.07 | paulswm | nemo: I use command line aptitude, can't vouch for the curses UI |
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| 00:13.28 | nemo | aptitude purge wants to remove ALOT of packages... IO think I'll not go that path |
| 00:13.45 | tarzeau | nemo: you've got gnome or kde? |
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| 00:13.59 | tarzeau | nemo: add the things you want to keep to the apt-get install command? |
| 00:14.07 | nemo | gnome - I think think I've goten rid of all the KDE stuff now :) |
| 00:14.31 | tarzeau | nemo: why don't you want to get rid of all the GNOME stuff as well? :) |
| 00:14.43 | leo | resiak: I think that question is very commom for them so they're ignoring me... don't you know the answer to help? |
| 00:14.46 | paulswm | nemo: aptitude will remove unused dependencies also, that's maybe why you see a lot, can't guarantee that of course |
| 00:14.49 | nemo | tarzeau: this is an aptitude purge command... where dopes apt-get install fit into that? :P |
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| 00:15.07 | leo | don't kill me |
| 00:15.07 | resiak | leo: I haven't a clue. I don't even know what ffmpeg is. |
| 00:15.07 | nemo | tarzeau: this system is intended as a media station, so some kind of UI will be needed :) |
| 00:15.13 | tarzeau | nemo: trie |
| 00:15.24 | tarzeau | nemo: oh there's plenti of ui without gnome |
| 00:15.36 | nemo | I know this, but it's also for housemates |
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| 00:16.07 | paulswm | !start a dm war |
| 00:16.07 | dpkg | startx rocks! |
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| 00:16.16 | nemo | hehehe |
| 00:16.21 | paulswm | :D |
| 00:16.22 | nemo | xdm > * ;) |
| 00:16.32 | paulswm | gdm!!! |
| 00:16.38 | nemo | xdm is prettier |
| 00:17.03 | nemo | *ahem* ok, composure peoples. :) |
| 00:17.04 | paulswm | j/kj |
| 00:17.09 | tarzeau | paulswm: heh |
| 00:19.41 | Luks | oi, Linux Kurumin Know?????????????? |
| 00:19.41 | tarzeau | paulswm: i dind't know mwilson also loves GNUstep ... |
| 00:19.41 | resiak | !kurumin |
| 00:19.41 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 00:19.41 | paulswm | tarzeau: :) |
| 00:19.41 | tarzeau | Luks: no |
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| 00:19.41 | nemo | next is working out which movie player we all prefer. mplayer, xine, totem, vlc... |
| 00:19.41 | paulswm | Heh, Brazilian, it sounds Japanese |
| 00:19.41 | TwistedEmotions | trying to create a XFCE4 program that calls this program... anyone know right syntex? and also it has to run as root... any ideas? /home/ash/azureus/ ./azureus |
| 00:19.41 | TwistedEmotions | *icon I mean not program. |
| 00:19.41 | p|l | Are there any KNOPPIX users here? |
| 00:19.41 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 00:19.41 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 00:19.41 | shingouz | Damn. Has to be permasunday |
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| 00:19.42 | Luks | I am is Brazilian?????????????// |
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| 00:19.42 | gravity | !br |
| 00:19.42 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 00:19.42 | resiak | OMG TEH BRAZILIAN!!!!!!!11oneoneonoene |
| 00:19.42 | paulswm | shingouz: no shit :) |
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| 00:19.42 | MobyTurbo | shingouz: it's still Sunday in the Excited States |
| 00:19.42 | p|l | Uh...THanks |
| 00:19.42 | tarzeau | maybe sarge is released this month |
| 00:19.43 | TwistedEmotions | /home/ash/azureus/ su -c ./azureus doesnt work? Anyone know how to fix that command...? I need to run "./azureus" under root. |
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| 00:19.54 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: man gksu |
| 00:20.09 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: it would be neat if it releases on schedule, or even close to it. |
| 00:20.09 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: You'll have to enter a password. Oh, and what's the /home/ash/azureus/ doing at the start of the line? |
| 00:20.11 | Luks | Brazilian??????????????????/// |
| 00:20.33 | gravity | Luks: #debian-br |
| 00:20.33 | resiak | Brazilian!!!11111111111111111111111111111111111 |
| 00:20.33 | paulswm | Luks: #debian-br |
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| 00:20.33 | tarzeau | !MARTIANS |
| 00:20.33 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: btw, what's gnustep like in sid now, up to date? |
| 00:20.43 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: yep 0.9.5 and kickin' |
| 00:20.45 | paulswm | resiak: lollol!!!11! |
| 00:20.52 | CyL | how should I call an argumento I pass to a script I write, inside this script? |
| 00:21.21 | kelan | !limecat |
| 00:21.22 | dpkg | i heard limecat is not pleased at http://limecat.net |
| 00:21.28 | MobyTurbo | CyL: you should call it an argument |
| 00:21.29 | tarzeau | !myass |
| 00:21.30 | dpkg | well, myass is http://jovan.ru/pics/even-more-crap/Bender.jpg |
| 00:21.34 | paulswm | CyL: man bash - $1, $2, etc |
| 00:21.45 | CyL | paulswm<=- thanks |
| 00:21.55 | paulswm | CyL: You're welcome |
| 00:22.12 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: I think I installed the program wrong... either that or I dont know how to run it... I have to run it by being in the /home/ash/azureus directory then go get it to work I have to run the ./azureus script.. |
| 00:22.35 | TwistedEmotions | was hoping I could make it so I didnt have to do that everytime.. |
| 00:22.49 | TwistedEmotions | Ohhh! I got it... I create a bash program that does it for me.. |
| 00:23.04 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: that's a script not a program |
| 00:23.06 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: No, you just invoke /home/ash/azureus/azureus rather than ./azureus |
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| 00:23.16 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: ./ just means "in the current directory". |
| 00:23.18 | pauliukas | I get this error when using ncftp. Does anyone have an idea? get public_html/: server said: 20050415083939 |
| 00:23.24 | TwistedEmotions | resiak... ohh |
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| 00:23.39 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: If you want to run it as root, you'll need to do one of (a) make it suid, or (b) use gksu or something to ask for root's password. |
| 00:23.51 | paulswm | TwistedEmotions: or you add '~/azureus' to your PATH |
| 00:24.26 | paulswm | I'm off, have a safe night, all |
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| 00:25.07 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: isnt there a su command where I can just be like su -X password <program>? |
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| 00:25.38 | TwistedEmotions | and by command I meant option.. |
| 00:25.45 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: haha |
| 00:25.54 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: you know that'd be visible in ps? |
| 00:25.57 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: No, you can't supply the password on the command line. That would be _absolutely_fucking_insane_. |
| 00:26.14 | TwistedEmotions | Jesus... I learned windows... now I have to learn all new OS... fucking windows.. |
| 00:26.14 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: you could also write the password on your head |
| 00:26.22 | tarzeau | and scream "nobody knows my password!" |
| 00:26.30 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: man sudo |
| 00:26.38 | MobyTurbo | TwistedEmotions: use sudo, you'll have to enter passwords yet - or if you're crazy not at all. |
| 00:26.42 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: It would only be visible is someone right clicked icon right? |
| 00:26.43 | MobyTurbo | s/yet/less/ |
| 00:27.01 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: ? no anyone that has local user rights |
| 00:27.15 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: I only use this machine.. |
| 00:27.25 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: what's the ip? |
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| 00:27.42 | TwistedEmotions | 68.126.206.52 |
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| 00:27.53 | MobyTurbo | !pol TwistedEmotions |
| 00:27.54 | TwistedEmotions | U want password too? |
| 00:28.25 | MobyTurbo | !y |
| 00:28.25 | dpkg | hmm... y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 00:28.27 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 00:28.28 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:28.29 | MobyTurbo | oops |
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| 00:28.45 | K_Dallas | anyone has ever used a 3COM dual link modem? It comes with a few switches on the back and i have no clue how to configure them |
| 00:28.50 | MobyTurbo | (y and u shouldn't be next to each other) |
| 00:28.55 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: you run a telnet daemon |
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| 00:29.21 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: cool! not much people their systems well know like they can run telnetd |
| 00:29.26 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: no I dont think so... either way router isnt setup.. |
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| 00:29.45 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: yuck you don't have your linux directly in the internet? disgusting |
| 00:29.58 | tarzeau | Login: 0x80caccd0 (tBcTelnetInTask): bcTelnetInTask: interrupt |
| 00:30.02 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: So... basically.. you couldnt get in? |
| 00:30.10 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: i didn't really try. |
| 00:30.36 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: SSH is forwarded to 192.168.1.20 which leads to nowhere.. |
| 00:30.48 | MobyTurbo | TwistedEmotions: use ssh, not telnetd |
| 00:31.11 | TwistedEmotions | MobyTurbo: I think I am... |
| 00:31.11 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: no telnetd is perfectly fine |
| 00:31.32 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: yeah, as long as nobody uses it |
| 00:31.43 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: i use it , great stuff |
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| 00:32.09 | TwistedEmotions | actually.. I know SSH is running just dont know if telnetd is running too.. |
| 00:32.22 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: now that even windows and macs have ssh clients, there's no reason to run a telnet server anymore. |
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| 00:32.30 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: yes there is |
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| 00:32.44 | RaCarter | um, how is gnome mounting window shares? |
| 00:32.48 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: there exist cpu that are more important to access fast than secure |
| 00:33.04 | RaCarter | I don't think samba is installed |
| 00:33.06 | TwistedEmotions | I dont see a telnet agent under ps -A.. there IS a SSH agent. |
| 00:33.14 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: your NAT device |
| 00:33.29 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: netstat -nr, then telnet to your default gw |
| 00:33.55 | TwistedEmotions | telnet localhost |
| 00:33.55 | TwistedEmotions | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 00:33.55 | TwistedEmotions | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
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| 00:34.06 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: localhost is not your default gw |
| 00:34.35 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: HAHAHAHAHAH you got into my VoIP box not my computer.... |
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| 00:34.46 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: i know |
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| 00:34.55 | updala | why is mldonkey in an offical repos? |
| 00:34.56 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: nothing funny about that |
| 00:34.58 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: My VoIP box has telnet on it... |
| 00:35.02 | tarzeau | updala: it isn't |
| 00:35.12 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: yes i figured you smart pantxs |
| 00:35.16 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: I dont care if anyone gets into that |
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| 00:35.29 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: you are so way ahead , can you go slower please? |
| 00:35.43 | TwistedEmotions | didnt even change default password... which I should... |
| 00:35.48 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: you don't quite get it. nobody wants to get into your computers |
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| 00:36.03 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: Hey hey... I'm new to all this.. |
| 00:36.04 | vmx | hi! does anyone know, what is needed if i want a hotplug script for my printer? do i only need to put a file name eg. "usblp" into /etc/hotplug/usb/ and that's it? |
| 00:37.03 | Migz | Hi people... At startup my modprobe looks for Modules.dep in the wrong directory... Can anyone help me? |
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| 00:38.25 | TwistedEmotions | How can I set sudo to use no password and not to promt? |
| 00:38.33 | cinix | heh |
| 00:39.06 | Phated | TwistedEmotions: It's in man sudoers. |
| 00:39.21 | Migz | Hi people... At startup my modprobe looks for Modules.dep in the wrong directory... Can anyone help me? |
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| 00:40.15 | updala | is there searchable version of man for gtk? as much features as possible.. |
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| 00:42.45 | MobyTurbo | updala: use tkman, it's not for gtk but it's the best of its kind. |
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| 00:43.46 | updala | MobyTurbo, i ask coz i like to develop one (im a gtk+c newbie).. it ll be fine as 1th project.. |
| 00:44.27 | Migz | At startup my modprobe looks for Modules.dep in the wrong directory... Can anyone help me? Or give me a hint? |
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| 00:44.36 | leo | Hello all, how to know which bitrate to use in order to reduce the size of a video to a specific known size when reencoding it? I saw in the web things related to two pass, but it is not very clear, could somebody help me? (I'm using ffmpeg) |
| 00:44.42 | splif | hey all |
| 00:44.43 | gravity | Migz: How do you know it's the wrong directory? |
| 00:44.54 | poser | does anyone know when gnome 2.10 will enter testing? like in a month or so? |
| 00:45.01 | gravity | heh |
| 00:45.06 | resiak | poser: Wait for Sarge to release.. |
| 00:45.11 | MobyTurbo | poser: 2.10 is already in Sarge |
| 00:45.14 | splif | is there anyone willing to help a poor fool with a stupid and quick DMZ question? |
| 00:45.21 | resiak | :info gnome-panel sarge |
| 00:45.37 | Agrajag- | leo: dvd::rip does it, you might want to check that out |
| 00:45.42 | MobyTurbo | poser: oops, it's 2.8 |
| 00:45.44 | Agrajag- | (uses transcode though, not ffmpeg) |
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| 00:46.06 | beardy | splif: It's possible, if you ask your question. |
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| 00:46.33 | splif | I have a web server setup in my dmz but I can't update it from the command line? |
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| 00:46.37 | gravity | 2.10 is in experimental and will probably go to unstable post-sarge. Then it'll migrate to testing |
| 00:46.45 | popy | hello |
| 00:46.46 | poser | resiak: so towards the beginning of june? |
| 00:46.55 | poser | or july |
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| 00:47.06 | resiak | poser: Wait and see. Everything's going slow while Sarge releases. |
| 00:47.13 | poser | yep |
| 00:47.27 | splif | where would be a good place to start? |
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| 00:47.44 | Migz | gravity: Thanks... At start up it looks for modules.dep at /lib/modules/2.4.... But i notice that the right version is 2.6.11 also the name of the directory... |
| 00:47.48 | jasoncohen | has anyone here compiled mythtv from source? i followed the instructions on mythtv.org and talked to a debian user on #mythtv-users. It just doesn't want to compile for me |
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| 00:48.09 | ZombB | if sarge goes stable in the end of may what need i have to change to my entries in sources.list which are pointing to testing and stable then ? |
| 00:48.22 | kelan | jasoncohen: are you still trying to get mythtv running on testing? |
| 00:48.39 | shingouz | !mythtv |
| 00:48.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mythtv is software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. mythtv.org, but freevo is better Sid and woody packages can be found at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ |
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| 00:48.44 | gravity | Migz: I don't know. I honestly don't know much about that sort of thing. Are you running stable? |
| 00:49.05 | jasoncohen | kelan, yes |
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| 00:49.23 | Migz | gravity: Yes but the mouse and network card doesnt work |
| 00:49.24 | kelan | jasoncohen: why? why not use unstable? then you can use the binary debs and everything will be great |
| 00:49.27 | Kiowas | hello |
| 00:49.28 | jasoncohen | kelan, i have alll the deps - http://pastebin.com/284928 |
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| 00:49.47 | gravity | Migz: So you're running stable and you installed your own 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:49.56 | Kiowas | how do I turn off the graphical login manager? Ive done it before but each time I upgrade X it changes back |
| 00:49.57 | shingouz | jasoncohen: Compiling from source on Debian is not a real good idea most of the time |
| 00:50.00 | gravity | !stable 2.6 |
| 00:50.00 | dpkg | In order to install 2.6 on stable, you'll need a backport of module-init-tools from unstable. You can get one at apt-get.org. See simple sid backport if you want to backport it yourself. See 2.6 for problems with 2.6 |
| 00:50.05 | jasoncohen | shingouz, why? |
| 00:50.17 | shingouz | jasoncohen: Most likely you will break apt |
| 00:50.29 | kelan | jasoncohen: yes, i remeber this from list night, but you never explained your need to use testing instead of unstable |
| 00:50.33 | gravity | Kiowas: Just remove the *dm packages |
| 00:50.57 | shingouz | jasoncohen: Well, not break as in dead break, just that it is very difficult to upgrade or remove the package you installed from source |
| 00:51.01 | Agrajag- | shingouz: how so? if --prefix is /usr/local, there's no problems |
| 00:51.01 | Migz | gravity: I just installed the Knoppix into the HD |
| 00:51.15 | Migz | gravity: it came this way |
| 00:51.17 | Kiowas | gravity: and what would those be? |
| 00:51.17 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 00:51.19 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 00:51.27 | leo | Agrajag-: dvd::rip is a mencoder GUI to rip dvd's what means that it work essentially creating AVI files from DVD sources, I want to shrink a .mpg video. Do you have any hint with ffmpeg? |
| 00:51.28 | shingouz | Agrajag-: True. Operational word: if |
| 00:51.29 | plugwash | Migz its a BAD idea to tell people here that you are using knoppix |
| 00:51.39 | karsten | plugwash: Not really. |
| 00:51.40 | jasoncohen | kelan, well- this machine is not just for mythtv. I used it for school work so i want it to be relatively stable |
| 00:51.44 | gravity | Migz: Go to #knoppix |
| 00:51.49 | karsten | plugwash: ...we just tell 'em where to go. |
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| 00:51.54 | gravity | Migz: This is not a place to get help with knoppix. This is for Debian. |
| 00:51.56 | plugwash | gravity sure that dead channel |
| 00:51.56 | jasoncohen | and i would like to be able to compile. i sometimes use CVS and apply custom patches |
| 00:52.01 | MobyTurbo | Migz: knoppix is in many details a different distribution than Debian |
| 00:52.06 | gravity | Kiowas: xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm |
| 00:52.14 | plugwash | if you want REAL help with knoppix the only way is to come here and don't tell anyone that you are using it |
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| 00:52.16 | gravity | plugwash: Not my problem. I refuse to support knoppix |
| 00:52.19 | Migz | gravity: Ok Thanks a lot! |
| 00:52.19 | Kiowas | gravity is there any other use to them or is that all they do? |
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| 01:15.03 | resiak | MobyTurbo: *shrug* I su to my blootbot. |
| 01:15.27 | kelan | jasoncohen: good:) |
| 01:15.35 | jasoncohen | kelan, all this time i was compiling mythtv which had failed a few minutes ago. I had since then made a few changes in my installed qt3 packages. What do you know....it compiled successfully! |
| 01:15.36 | MobyTurbo | resiak: that works fine if the special program uid has a password. :) |
| 01:15.46 | resiak | MobyTurbo: A very good point. |
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| 01:17.56 | jasoncohen | kelan, i'm going to use the source so i can install the plugins as well |
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| 01:18.02 | jasoncohen | thanks for your help |
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| 01:18.43 | Esotericisms | shingouz .... anything else? |
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| 01:19.35 | shingouz | Esotericisms: I cant think of anything at the moment. Maybe the dhcp server has some issues, maybe RF interference? I am not sure. |
| 01:19.50 | kelan | jasoncohen: you're welcome |
| 01:19.57 | hikenboot | hello all anyone know a irc channel /server dedicated to clustering technology |
| 01:20.00 | Esotericisms | I am not doing dhcp ... it is really weird ... I guess I will check the cable again ... thanks |
| 01:20.07 | shingouz | Esotericisms: Uh. Not the dhcp as you run static. sorry |
| 01:20.08 | MobyTurbo | resiak: actually making the special uid having a password *can* decrease security. |
| 01:20.37 | shingouz | Esotericisms: While you are at it, run some diagnostics on the nics and preferably reseat them too |
| 01:21.04 | abrotman | and properly :) |
| 01:21.21 | resiak | MobyTurbo: Sure, but running a blootbot with an account with a password as secure as my own can only increase security compared to running it as myself, especially since only I (and three trusted people) can ssh into my box. |
| 01:21.46 | Esotericisms | any app you suggest for diagnostics? |
| 01:22.28 | abrotman | resiak: you trust them ? |
| 01:22.43 | shingouz | Esotericisms: The manufacturers diags if possible |
| 01:23.01 | Esotericisms | yeah, I will look for some |
| 01:23.11 | resiak | abrotman: Do you trust Phated? |
| 01:23.30 | Phated | Oy! |
| 01:23.52 | abrotman | resiak: to do what ? |
| 01:24.09 | resiak | abrotman: To not divulge her password to anyone? |
| 01:24.19 | resiak | Phated: I do trust you -- this is the point |
| 01:24.36 | abrotman | resiak: depends how hard the spanking is :) |
| 01:24.43 | Phated | OY! |
| 01:24.55 | resiak | :start a war! |
| 01:24.56 | furrywolf | trust no one. :P |
| 01:25.13 | hikenboot | anyone know a channel on any server dedicated to clustering? |
| 01:25.41 | Supaplex | hikenboot: you may as well ask your question here. Noone has responded, so the likely answer is no. (or us a mailing list) |
| 01:25.45 | Supaplex | us/use/ |
| 01:26.03 | abrotman | hikenboot: which kind ? |
| 01:26.54 | hikenboot | ok ...looking for a cluster file system that is good with databases...that uses the write instead of close function for database operations so multiple nodes can access and use a clustered database |
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| 01:27.06 | hikenboot | was thinking perhaps multicasting |
| 01:27.24 | hikenboot | to separate databases taht are identical |
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| 01:28.04 | hikenboot | LVS |
| 01:29.56 | hikenboot | perhaps pvfs2 |
| 01:30.17 | hikenboot | cant find info on wether it works well with databases |
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| 01:32.43 | K_Dallas | Is there a netinstall CD for sid? |
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| 01:32.57 | maher | K_Dallas: use the testing one and upgrade |
| 01:33.17 | MikeH | hi there guys |
| 01:33.19 | K_Dallas | well i have already installed sarge, so an upgrade would do it? |
| 01:33.19 | MikeH | whats the bulk package name for kde? |
| 01:33.54 | maher | K_Dallas: yes- if you don't know things like this you're not going to have much fun with unstable - make a chroot |
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| 01:34.38 | MikeH | anyone? |
| 01:34.45 | gravity | MikeH: kde |
| 01:34.55 | MikeH | lol, so simple, thanks |
| 01:35.10 | K_Dallas | maher, thanks. the thing is that sarge is not doing all that i expected from it. my scanner is not running, my modem has problems etc |
| 01:35.18 | Supaplex | apt-get install starburst ; yum yum |
| 01:35.24 | K_Dallas | ubuntu did not have problems there |
| 01:35.28 | pipeline | K_Dallas: Eh, modems are a real pain under linux. That's just the way things are. |
| 01:35.33 | maher | K_Dallas: well why will unstable fix those problems? ask us |
| 01:35.36 | pipeline | K_Dallas: Perhaps #ubuntu can aid you. |
| 01:35.39 | K_Dallas | it is a hardware modem |
| 01:35.47 | K_Dallas | pipeline: i am on sarge |
| 01:36.10 | K_Dallas | maher, i was going just to see if they have better hardware detection implemented there |
| 01:36.16 | maher | K_Dallas: is there an ykernel which supports it? |
| 01:36.18 | xenwryly | I'm trying to setup a per-user sa-learn IMAP setup. /leave |
| 01:36.25 | xenwryly | oops |
| 01:36.27 | xenwryly | sorry |
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| 01:36.32 | gravity | K_Dallas: As far as I know, ubuntu's hardware detection is identical to Debian's |
| 01:36.38 | gravity | i.e. discover + hotplug |
| 01:36.40 | K_Dallas | i see |
| 01:36.52 | K_Dallas | well ubuntu uses 2.6 right? |
| 01:36.59 | K_Dallas | sarge is 2.4 or something |
| 01:37.02 | gravity | You can have 2.6 without any problem in sarge |
| 01:37.10 | maher | K_Dallas: install a 2.6 kernel on sarge |
| 01:37.21 | K_Dallas | that is why i wanted to try sid |
| 01:37.23 | gravity | K_Dallas: There's tons of 2.6 kernel image packages available to you |
| 01:37.27 | gravity | K_Dallas: In sarge |
| 01:37.29 | Gnea | K_Dallas: sarge has a 2.6 option at installation boottime |
| 01:37.33 | maher | K_Dallas: using apt-get / aptitude / dselect / synaptic whatever |
| 01:37.39 | K_Dallas | i once did it last year so i think ican do it again ;) |
| 01:37.40 | MikeH | anyone know if there is a x86_64 version of dmraid available? |
| 01:38.03 | Gnea | at least least last time i used it there was, unless that changed |
| 01:38.04 | holo | anyone knows howto chown many hidden files in ~/ with one command? |
| 01:38.17 | K_Dallas | but: installing a new kernel, would that mean hardware detection would be updated too? |
| 01:38.34 | gravity | holo: chown .* |
| 01:38.34 | maher | K_Dallas: if the new kernel supprts you rhw it may just work... |
| 01:38.40 | Supaplex | holo: .??* should .* matches .. |
| 01:38.42 | K_Dallas | i see |
| 01:38.43 | Gnea | holo: cd /home && chown carlos.carlos carlos/* |
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| 01:38.48 | dvs | gravity: doesn't that change the directory too? |
| 01:38.55 | Gnea | er |
| 01:39.00 | Gnea | holo: cd /home && chown carlos.carlos -R carlos/ |
| 01:39.01 | Supaplex | foo/* won't match foo/.this |
| 01:39.02 | gravity | dvs: Hrm. Yeah, probably... |
| 01:39.10 | dvs | ;-) |
| 01:39.13 | Gnea | :) |
| 01:39.23 | gravity | chown .[a-zA-Z]* |
| 01:39.38 | Supaplex | that won't match .[0-9]* |
| 01:39.41 | K_Dallas | but if i want to install sid from the beginning, would that be possible? |
| 01:39.45 | maher | K_Dallas: no |
| 01:39.49 | K_Dallas | darn :) |
| 01:39.55 | mono | i'm trying to get smtpd auth to work on postfix (the ppl. @ #postfix seem to be asleep). i've installed postfix-tls, and sasl2-bin as well as libasal. i have configured the /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf file to have plain text auto. and also tried to configure /etc/postfix/main.cf to handle auth from outside - i keep getting different errors - check_relay_domains and auth sasl |
| 01:39.58 | K_Dallas | that is why i could not find the netinstall |
| 01:39.59 | gravity | Supaplex: True, but how many of those do you think he has? :-) |
| 01:40.01 | holo | so, what is the conclusion? |
| 01:40.13 | Gnea | chown user.user .[a-zA-Z0-9]* |
| 01:40.17 | mono | any ideas how to set this puppy up |
| 01:40.19 | mono | ? |
| 01:40.22 | Supaplex | gravity: what if he has .__foo ? ;) yea, probly few. |
| 01:40.25 | maher | K_Dallas: if you have debian installed already you don't need to reinstall |
| 01:40.29 | gravity | heh |
| 01:40.30 | dvs | holo: find . -name '.*' -type f | xargs chown |
| 01:40.32 | fusion | Hi, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to install my Epson Stylus Photo R210 printer in Debian Sarge. I have the PPD, Cups installed, and I have added a printer using the web based CUPS admin, but when I click print test page and go to the "completed jobs" area, it tells me that the job was cancelled. The printer is enabled, switched on, and nothing at all happens when I try to print to it. |
| 01:40.40 | gravity | Ah, the ever cool find |
| 01:40.48 | Supaplex | .[^.]* .??* could match better. |
| 01:40.55 | furrywolf | fusion: is the printer parallel, usb, or ethernet? |
| 01:40.57 | Gnea | CarlK: to catch all directories too, chown -R user.user .[a-zA-Z0-9]* |
| 01:41.04 | K_Dallas | maher, in my next boot up i will try installing the other kernel and see what happens there |
| 01:41.05 | fusion | furrywolf: USB 1.1 |
| 01:41.06 | Gnea | oops |
| 01:41.07 | maher | fusion: do the logs say anything useful |
| 01:41.07 | holo | Gnea: want to try it there first? :s the last time i tryed with -R ./.* it did bad things to other users |
| 01:41.13 | K_Dallas | thanks for all the help guys |
| 01:41.29 | Gnea | holo: i just did it on my workstation, it's fine |
| 01:41.29 | furrywolf | fusion: and when it's plugged in and/or the box is booted, does the usblp driver find it, etc? |
| 01:41.41 | holo | Gnea: cool :] |
| 01:41.49 | Gnea | holo: they all work, but had to fine-tune it :) |
| 01:42.03 | fusion | furrywolf, yes, as far as I am aware.. I mean, when I run dmesg it finds it, and in syslog it sees it |
| 01:42.07 | Gnea | holo: chown -R user.user .[a-zA-Z0-9]* would be the final solution |
| 01:42.11 | furrywolf | fusion: if you can't make it work, I'll give you my shipping address if you want to get rid of it. :) |
| 01:42.14 | dondelelcaro | resiak: if whatever is saying is too long, yes, it will do that.a |
| 01:42.27 | fusion | lol no thanks just purchased it |
| 01:42.31 | furrywolf | gnea: what if it starts with punctuation? :P |
| 01:42.46 | pipeline | fusion: Try installing foomatic-gui, foomatic-filters, foomatic-filters-ppds, cupsys-bsd |
| 01:42.48 | Gnea | furrywolf: then it shouldn't be there ;) |
| 01:42.56 | pipeline | fusion: Configure your printer through foomatic-bin or foomatic-gui interface |
| 01:43.01 | fusion | pipeline, Yeah I have tried that one too :/ |
| 01:43.07 | resiak | dondelelcaro: Are you planning on fixing him so that /msg dpkg foo is the same as /msg dpkg tell me about foo? |
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| 01:43.13 | pipeline | fusion: Printers are hard. My solution is to throw massive amounts of shit at a wall and see what sticks. |
| 01:43.19 | dondelelcaro | resiak: no, because they're totally different |
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| 01:43.20 | fusion | lol |
| 01:43.21 | furrywolf | fusion: are you using gimp-print? |
| 01:43.24 | pipeline | fusion: Oh, also, install gs-esp, the non-free ghost-scrip |
| 01:43.31 | CaBiDe | my kde freeze linux on startup with nvidia module :( | anybody help me ? |
| 01:43.35 | fusion | I was using gimp print |
| 01:43.37 | Gnea | fusion: have you been to www.linuxprinting.org? |
| 01:43.38 | dondelelcaro | resiak: /msg dpkg foo; should give you more information, whereas tell foo about bar; could truncate if the factoid is too long |
| 01:43.44 | fusion | Gnea yes |
| 01:43.48 | fusion | thats where I started off |
| 01:44.08 | fusion | I wish they would make parallel ones |
| 01:44.08 | maher | fusion: does the printer show up in lsusb / usbview |
| 01:44.11 | resiak | dondelelcaro: But the behavior is reversed. tell foo about bar never truncates, whereas /msg dpkg bar truncates and adds an ellipsis. |
| 01:44.12 | Gnea | fusion: are you in the lp and lpadmin groups? |
| 01:44.21 | fusion | maher: yes |
| 01:44.23 | dondelelcaro | resiak: hrm... shouldn't be doing that |
| 01:44.26 | fusion | Gnea: yes |
| 01:44.33 | furrywolf | fusion: I strongly recommend gimp-print for all epson printers... |
| 01:44.34 | CaBiDe | nobody? |
| 01:44.36 | resiak | dondelelcaro: TBH, someone here said it was happening, and I know that that used to happen. |
| 01:44.44 | Gnea | fusion: when you added to the groups, did you logout then login again? |
| 01:44.49 | fusion | furrywolf yeah I got a gimp print PPD |
| 01:44.50 | maher | fusion: does the cups log say anything useful? |
| 01:44.51 | Gnea | !nobody |
| 01:44.51 | dpkg | i guess nobody is there, or perfect |
| 01:44.52 | dondelelcaro | resiak: yes, well, I fixed the major cause of that. |
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| 01:44.57 | fusion | Gnea I even rebooted ;) |
| 01:45.14 | dondelelcaro | resiak: feel free to give me a specific example, though |
| 01:45.14 | furrywolf | I've never had to deal with ppds for any of my epson printers... hrmm. :P |
| 01:45.16 | Gnea | fusion: what about foomatic-gui? |
| 01:45.17 | resiak | dondelelcaro: I haven't found an example myself. Sorry to bug you without a test case. I'll let you know if I actually see it for myself ... |
| 01:45.34 | fusion | furrywolf yeah they dont have the drivers for this one with the software lol.. had to get it off the cd |
| 01:45.47 | fusion | Gnea, yes |
| 01:45.58 | Gnea | fusion: ok, so you used foomatic-gui to configure it with? |
| 01:46.01 | furrywolf | fusion: not too sure that works. :) |
| 01:46.32 | furrywolf | get the very latest gimp-print beta; it should have support for it |
| 01:47.39 | fusion | furrywolf it is said to work, I got it off linuxprinting (the howto) |
| 01:47.43 | fusion | Gnea yes I have |
| 01:47.54 | fusion | lsusb registers it as device 3 |
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| 01:48.06 | maher | fusion: look in the cups log |
| 01:48.07 | fusion | that wouldnt affect the print device would it? |
| 01:48.15 | Gnea | fusion: ok and you have foomatic-db-engine and foomatic-db-gimp-print installed? |
| 01:48.24 | fusion | Gnea, yes :/ |
| 01:48.41 | furrywolf | do you have the latest gimp-print 5 beta? |
| 01:48.51 | fusion | Uh I dunno |
| 01:48.54 | fusion | Probably not |
| 01:48.56 | fusion | got it off apt |
| 01:49.04 | NetDC | what is "metapackage" mean? |
| 01:49.15 | MikeH | just curious |
| 01:49.17 | furrywolf | you might also try the CVS version... |
| 01:49.19 | MikeH | what clients do you guys use for msn? |
| 01:49.23 | Gnea | Version: 4.2.7-10 |
| 01:49.27 | furrywolf | mikeh: none. |
| 01:49.32 | furrywolf | I don't use msn. :P |
| 01:49.36 | Gnea | furrywolf: according to the website, it works with 4.2.7 |
| 01:49.37 | chealer | MikeH: gaim |
| 01:49.39 | Agrajag- | MikeH: licq |
| 01:49.41 | dvs | MikeH: gaim |
| 01:49.50 | fusion | Yes I have had this printer work before on sarge |
| 01:49.51 | furrywolf | gnea: according to the website, my stylus 1520 does too. :P |
| 01:49.53 | MikeH | ive always used gaim |
| 01:49.56 | fusion | but when I did a new clean install |
| 01:49.59 | MikeH | just wondering if theres anything better |
| 01:50.00 | fusion | it doesn't want to work |
| 01:50.03 | Gnea | furrywolf: sarge or sid? |
| 01:50.05 | MikeH | dont like licq |
| 01:50.10 | furrywolf | fusion: hrmm, dunno then. |
| 01:50.16 | Gnea | MikeH: give gaim a whirl |
| 01:50.18 | furrywolf | gnea: sarge. I use the gimp-print cvs though... |
| 01:50.25 | ablet | anyone know of any jigdo sarge iso images newer then 5-6-05? |
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| 01:50.49 | chealer | !tell NetDC about metapackage |
| 01:50.50 | maher | fusion: have you looked at the cups log? |
| 01:50.54 | furrywolf | I have only 5 printers hooked up. :) |
| 01:51.06 | dvs | only 5 printers?!? |
| 01:51.14 | fusion | maher, I have looked in the access and error logs but I think they are just for the web based center? |
| 01:51.15 | Gnea | furrywolf: interesting... my hp 1513 worked fine in sid till something happened with the mozilla backend and cups, switched to sarge and it has worked fine ever since - scanning and printing work |
| 01:51.17 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know if there is a decompressing program that supports .rar files with a GUI? |
| 01:51.21 | Gnea | of course, that's an HP |
| 01:51.25 | fusion | page_log is empty |
| 01:51.30 | Gnea | i have no setup an epson in linux before |
| 01:51.32 | NetDC | chealer:thanks! |
| 01:51.33 | Gnea | er, not |
| 01:51.35 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: Can I ask what the rar files you're trying to decompress are? |
| 01:51.40 | plugwash | TwistedEmotions winrar under wine? |
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| 01:51.52 | maher | fusion: you probably want to look in error_log |
| 01:51.52 | gravity | unrar works, but isn't gui |
| 01:51.55 | gravity | But it works fine |
| 01:51.57 | Gnea | hrm.. |
| 01:51.58 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: A movie.. |
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| 01:52.04 | Gnea | fusion: have you tried http://www.turboprint.de/english.html ? |
| 01:52.15 | furrywolf | my lexmark laser for laser... my stylus 900 for general color... my photo 750 for photo color... my stylus 1520 for 15" wide photo color... and the designjet 220 in the closet, which, sadly, I've never gotten to work for linux. but it's for when I need friggin-huge printouts. :P |
| 01:52.35 | fusion | I've no way of transferring funds internationally |
| 01:52.56 | maher | fusion: if the error are unhelpful increase the log level in cups.conf |
| 01:53.15 | TwistedEmotions | Are there any rar'ing programs without a GUI? |
| 01:53.21 | gravity | TwistedEmotions: unrar |
| 01:53.24 | gravity | In non-free |
| 01:53.43 | TwistedEmotions | yeah... figured there would be a buttload without GUI... dont even know what I asked.. |
| 01:53.50 | ablet | what happen to http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/ |
| 01:53.51 | fusion | hrm |
| 01:53.54 | fusion | I [16/May/2005:13:08:55 +1200] Job 6 queued on 'EPSON' by 'mark'. |
| 01:53.54 | fusion | E [16/May/2005:13:08:55 +1200] Unable to convert file 0 to printable format for job 6! |
| 01:53.54 | fusion | I [16/May/2005:13:08:55 +1200] Hint: Do you have ESP Ghostscript installed? |
| 01:54.01 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: I'm sorry, I just find it absolutely hilarious that RAR is _never_ used for legal things. |
| 01:54.03 | fusion | I have ESP ghostscript installed, btw |
| 01:54.06 | maher | fusion: that is you problem |
| 01:54.11 | MikeH | guys, i just apt-get'd kde, now its trying to install quake2-data that i tried the other day and decided not to install |
| 01:54.21 | maher | fusion: install gs-esp |
| 01:54.23 | fusion | The unable to convert? |
| 01:54.23 | MikeH | if i kill apt-get, how can i stop it trying to get the quake2-data package? |
| 01:54.34 | resiak | MikeH: apt-get remove quake2-data ? |
| 01:54.40 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: what? what do you mean? I rar'd my home movies and am now trying to unrar it.. |
| 01:54.48 | MikeH | aah nvm |
| 01:54.48 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: Riiight. |
| 01:54.50 | digibox | TwistedEmotions, install unrar and then install gentoo (the program not the linux distro) |
| 01:55.04 | MikeH | interupting the quake2-data install just made it carry on |
| 01:55.08 | digibox | gentoo works as a frontend to unrar |
| 01:55.11 | MikeH | as it was in the middle of wget'ing it |
| 01:55.25 | TwistedEmotions | digibox: kk thanks. |
| 01:55.28 | gravity | Wow... the old gentoo no one talks about any more |
| 01:55.34 | gravity | That's kind of nice to hear about |
| 01:55.36 | mono | anyone postfix smtpd auth ? |
| 01:55.46 | digibox | I love gentoo |
| 01:55.53 | mono | i've tried #postfix - everyone's asleep |
| 01:56.06 | digibox | its better then useing konquer as a file browser |
| 01:56.25 | resiak | rox-filer! \o/ |
| 01:56.56 | Phated | rox-filer! |
| 01:56.56 | fusion | maher, Ah thanks. That kind of worked. Now it just "aborts" |
| 01:57.16 | maher | fusion: paste the error in #flood |
| 01:57.59 | fusion | k, just have to set to debug first |
| 01:58.14 | ablet | anyone? |
| 02:00.21 | fusion | maher there doesn't appear to be any kind of error - it just shows a lot of information about the settings |
| 02:00.41 | maher | fusion: paste it in #flood anyway |
| 02:00.46 | fusion | ok |
| 02:02.48 | jasoncohen | for all mythtv users- i'm going to write a howto for installing the dependencies for the mythtv plugins (mythdvd and mythmusic w/ visualizations in particular ) I spent a half an hour manually apt-cache searching each dep. Hopefully I can save some debian users a bit of grief |
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| 02:02.56 | fusion | oops :P |
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| 02:04.37 | rj- | hi |
| 02:04.53 | kevinv | You know the #gaim room is now talking a lot about Debian... |
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| 02:04.58 | mwilson | Why would someone install crap like mythtv just to play MP3's? |
| 02:05.11 | Supaplex | haha cause they're dum |
| 02:05.26 | jasoncohen | mwilson, you would only install mythmusic as an add-on |
| 02:05.41 | jasoncohen | mwilson, and mythdvd obviously is nice to have as it play and transcodes dvds and cds |
| 02:05.50 | mwilson | I wouldn't install it at all, as I'd never waste my time with myth in the first place. |
| 02:06.10 | mwilson | Been there, done that, deleted it almost immediately. |
| 02:06.14 | furrywolf | I've never heard of it. :P |
| 02:06.36 | Agrajag- | it's a brilliant app for recording/watching tv |
| 02:06.38 | mwilson | You're not missing much. |
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| 02:06.49 | furrywolf | I don't record or watch tv. |
| 02:06.57 | Agrajag- | well then don't worry abou tit |
| 02:07.23 | mwilson | And a VCR does as well for recording TV. |
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| 02:07.38 | cafuego | grr |
| 02:07.42 | Agrajag- | well as long as you remember to set it, and set it correctly |
| 02:07.52 | furrywolf | not having a TV == best. |
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| 02:07.58 | Agrajag- | furrywolf: probably :) |
| 02:08.07 | swatikiss | i have a few old kernel images installed on my system... how can I determine which package they are and uninstall them ? |
| 02:08.15 | cafuego | furrywolf: if you don't hacve atV, how would you watch the 'hackers' video? |
| 02:08.23 | maher | swatikiss: dpkg -S pathtofilename |
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| 02:08.52 | SerajewelKS | i am having trouble using mzip with password-protected ZIP disks. should i ask here, or is there an mtools channel? |
| 02:08.56 | furrywolf | only tv I own is a little 2" portable one I keep in the back of the car, for when I go to install someone's satellite dish, and they give me the "oh, we're just moving in... you mean we have to have the TVs here first?" |
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| 02:09.40 | Agrajag- | that doesn't sound like such a stupid thing to do |
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| 02:10.36 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to load .bin .cue files with videos inside... basically the easiest way to load .bin .cue files? |
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| 02:10.47 | MikeH | am i tripping out |
| 02:10.59 | MikeH | or can i not find where to turn off multicolour stuff in xchat? |
| 02:11.02 | staniel | TwistedEmotions: bchunk it to an ISO then mount the ISO |
| 02:11.05 | TwistedEmotions | MikeH: Did you take acid? |
| 02:11.15 | swatikiss | maher, hey thanks :) |
| 02:11.16 | MikeH | everyones nicks and text are different colours |
| 02:11.17 | MikeH | :S |
| 02:11.21 | TwistedEmotions | staniel: err... thats that I was afraid of.. |
| 02:11.22 | furrywolf | twisted: or shrooms. :P |
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| 02:11.34 | staniel | TwistedEmotions: why are you afraid of that? |
| 02:11.35 | SerajewelKS | MikeH, settings > text box > colored nicks |
| 02:11.36 | TwistedEmotions | of shrooms... |
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| 02:11.39 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: "load" them into... ? |
| 02:11.39 | staniel | doesn't take to long |
| 02:11.48 | TwistedEmotions | staniel: takes a while.. |
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| 02:11.59 | MikeH | SerajewelKS, thats disabled anyway, but nicks are still coloured |
| 02:12.00 | mwilson | Yeah, pirates never have much time. |
| 02:12.02 | staniel | TwistedEmotions: CPU/RAM? |
| 02:12.12 | MikeH | and my own text is a different colour, that I cant seem to change |
| 02:12.15 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: As In there are video files inside and I want to watch them... |
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| 02:12.36 | mwilson | Don't your little pirate buddies have advice for you? |
| 02:12.37 | TwistedEmotions | staniel: P4 3.00 800fsb 512ram... |
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| 02:12.54 | staniel | TwistedEmotions: somethings wrong then, I can normally bchunk one in a minute or 2 |
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| 02:13.13 | TwistedEmotions | staniel: havent tried it yet... |
| 02:13.24 | TwistedEmotions | staniel: maybe wont take that long.. |
| 02:13.35 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: You a republican? |
| 02:13.39 | staniel | TwistedEmotions: it wont dude, if you have a 3 ghz CPU, you're double the speed of me |
| 02:14.03 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: Not that I've noticed... is it required to be one to have morals? |
| 02:14.04 | nabokov | mwilson: what the USA defines as a pirate is irrelivant to those of us who live outside of the US |
| 02:14.05 | TwistedEmotions | staniel: kk.. |
| 02:14.33 | furrywolf | nabokov: until they decide to "liberate" your country, that is. |
| 02:14.56 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: No... I just thought you were... being that your cocky, asshole, think your too good for other people... you know... the symptoms.. |
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| 02:15.30 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: but... sorry.. my mistake.. |
| 02:15.34 | maher | mwilson doesn't think people can have different moral values form himself |
| 02:15.39 | nabokov | that opinion you continually shove down peoples throats is bullshit |
| 02:16.03 | defkewl | anyone know a good bind tutorial? |
| 02:16.21 | TwistedEmotions | I really couldnt care less... just seems like hes got some kind of a beef with me.. |
| 02:16.29 | TwistedEmotions | getting tired of it.. |
| 02:16.34 | SerajewelKS | TwistedEmotions, i think he has a beef with most people... |
| 02:16.34 | gravity | TwistedEmotions: mwilson is like that. /ignore is recommended |
| 02:17.08 | Supaplex | TwistedEmotions: welcome to debian. ;) |
| 02:17.08 | chealer | gravity: hehe, do you have a list of recommended /ignore-s :) |
| 02:17.10 | mwilson | I have morals. That seems to bother a lot of people. |
| 02:17.27 | gravity | chealer: Nah. I don't really /ignore anyone for more than a little while |
| 02:17.39 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: I dont care about your morals... your just a prick... seem to like to start shit with me... |
| 02:17.52 | chealer | gravity: me neither...IRC clients resets /ignore-s on restart :-P |
| 02:17.53 | nabokov | mwilson: your morals are offtopic, like ubuntu is offtopic, a point your quick to alert ubuntu users to |
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| 02:18.07 | chealer | s/IRC clients/my IRC client |
| 02:18.07 | gravity | chealer: That can be saved |
| 02:18.21 | gravity | At least in irssi |
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| 02:18.27 | mwilson | nabokov: Piracy, then, is also off-topic. |
| 02:18.32 | nabokov | basically we couldn't give a fiddlers-fuck about you morals |
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| 02:18.39 | chealer | gravity: not sure about gaim, but never tried much |
| 02:18.43 | gravity | nabokov: We do try and make a point of not helping people pirate things |
| 02:18.46 | SerajewelKS | if we would like to be on-topic, i'm having trouble with mtools |
| 02:18.54 | gravity | nabokov: Which I think is a valid position to take |
| 02:19.01 | gravity | chealer: Ah, I don't use gaim for irc |
| 02:19.10 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: We werent talking about piracy.. we were talking about how to change files from one format to another.. |
| 02:19.17 | defkewl | don't talk ubuntu here please |
| 02:19.38 | gravity | Mainly because Debian itself rests on people respecting copyright via the GPL and other Free licenses. |
| 02:19.41 | nabokov | gravity: by assumtions of what the users file formats are? |
| 02:19.46 | mwilson | [19:12] <TwistedEmotions> mwilson: As In there are video files inside and I |
| 02:19.46 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.49 | resiak | kevinv: You're even here already! |
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| 02:19.57 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: Point? |
| 02:20.03 | nabokov | video filess === priacy? |
| 02:20.11 | gravity | To be fair, .rar isn't used for much else |
| 02:20.14 | kevinv | resiak: I know! |
| 02:20.15 | mwilson | <sarcasm> You're right, we *certainly* weren't about piracy at that point. </sarcasm> |
| 02:20.32 | bztunk | mwilson: you know that, you can shoot your own videos, and make .bins out of them? |
| 02:20.34 | nabokov | gravity: you seem to be to reasonable to asssume as much, sry |
| 02:20.35 | resiak | mwilson: They're apparently home videos. |
| 02:20.38 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: You should never use debian... I heard someone use it to download mp3's once.. that's illegal. switch to redhat.. |
| 02:20.43 | DB | Does kdm have a mechanism to run .xinitrc files; or is there some other way to execute commands for a user logging in with kdm? |
| 02:20.58 | bztunk | mwilson: even if it's obvious that piracy is going on, you shouldn't assume it is. |
| 02:21.00 | mwilson | bztunk: You know how few people would, or could, do that? |
| 02:21.05 | gravity | DB: It should run .xsession files, which is the same thing |
| 02:21.19 | gravity | DB: If you ln -s .xinitrc .xsession, it should work |
| 02:21.48 | bztunk | mwilson: yeah, so? |
| 02:21.51 | SerajewelKS | has anyone had trouble and/or heard of trouble using password-protected ZIP disks with mzip? |
| 02:22.01 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: if you dont want to help because problem is against your morals.. great. Then shut the fuck up... |
| 02:22.14 | DB | gravity: Thanks. I'll try that now |
| 02:23.11 | qbwdp | on a clean install of debian, where is grub.conf? it's not in /etc |
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| 02:23.28 | SerajewelKS | qbwdp, /boot i think |
| 02:23.41 | maher | qbwdp: did you install grub? do dpkg -L grub |
| 02:23.53 | Wyzard | qbwdp: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 02:23.59 | Wyzard | qbwdp: It's not called "grub.conf" |
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| 02:24.04 | mwilson | bztunk: It's all about the percentages. |
| 02:24.05 | TwistedEmotions | SerajewelKS: I dont know of any problems with it... but I know mzip supports passwords... |
| 02:24.13 | qbwdp | thanx guys |
| 02:24.24 | MikeH | hi guys |
| 02:24.25 | DB | gravity: Looks like it's still not being executed when the user logs in |
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| 02:24.36 | TwistedEmotions | SerajewelKS: http://www.la.utexas.edu/lab/software/user/gnu/mtools/mzip.html |
| 02:24.37 | MikeH | (again) |
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| 02:24.41 | gravity | DB: What session type are you using? |
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| 02:24.48 | DB | gravity: kde3 |
| 02:24.55 | gravity | DB: You should use "default" or something |
| 02:25.01 | gravity | DB: I forget what kdm calls it exactly |
| 02:25.17 | gravity | DB: Then have your .xsession file actually load kde for you |
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| 02:25.33 | SerajewelKS | TwistedEmotions, you'd think it would |
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| 02:27.57 | TwistedEmotions | SerajewelKS: Sorry... was thinking you were working with a .zip file.. |
| 02:28.03 | SerajewelKS | jeez lol |
| 02:28.10 | TwistedEmotions | on the drive I mean.. |
| 02:28.23 | SerajewelKS | then we wouldn't be screwing with mtools =P |
| 02:28.46 | TwistedEmotions | SerajewelKS: no comment. |
| 02:28.57 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: Is the disk actually password-protected, or are you just trying to use mzip? |
| 02:29.04 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, the disk is |
| 02:29.09 | SerajewelKS | other disks work just fine |
| 02:29.37 | SerajewelKS | i have two disks, one passworded with mzip, the other with the windows software. neither work. |
| 02:30.09 | mwilson | I never found a way to get mzip to actually see the drive. |
| 02:30.32 | SerajewelKS | it sees the drive if there's a non-protected disk in |
| 02:31.45 | mono | i've tried #postfix - it seems like they are all asleep - i am trying to setup smtpd auth for my remote users (without statiwarning: restriction `permit' after `check_relay_domains' is ignored - ideas how to resolve this one?c ip's) - i am getting the following errors - |
| 02:32.28 | m4lu6 | damnit. i just don't get this at all. Sound coming out of Line-out port is there, but extremely low. setmixer reports vol, pcm, etc a 100%. |
| 02:32.45 | SerajewelKS | m4lu6, try the "line" volume? |
| 02:32.53 | m4lu6 | SerajewelKS, 100. |
| 02:33.11 | SerajewelKS | m4lu6, check the device feeding the line? |
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| 02:33.14 | SerajewelKS | check the cord? |
| 02:33.26 | SerajewelKS | check the speakers? |
| 02:33.28 | mwilson | Uh, line-out *is* normally an unamplified output. |
| 02:33.34 | HllywdW | has anyone here got an ATI AIW 7500 tvtuner working? |
| 02:33.39 | m4lu6 | it's not my amp. |
| 02:34.03 | SerajewelKS | HllywdW, i haven't |
| 02:34.10 | m4lu6 | and it's definitely not the cord. same ting happens on a clone box, identical setup, hardware & kernel. |
| 02:34.13 | HllywdW | Sera: have you tried? |
| 02:34.20 | SerajewelKS | HllywdW, no, i don't have one |
| 02:34.20 | m4lu6 | via EPIA-PD w/via's ac97 chip |
| 02:34.38 | HllywdW | I just installed kdetv |
| 02:34.46 | m4lu6 | using the OSS sound, not alsa, i'm wondering, but doubtful, if that has somethin to do with this problem. |
| 02:35.01 | HllywdW | but no picture or sound is coming out of it. |
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| 02:35.16 | cinix | Do I need to apply kernel-patch-debian to a kernel-source-2.6 package? |
| 02:35.36 | litage | i added a colour printer using the cups web interface. however, it defaulted to grayscale, and i can't find an option to change this. any suggestions? |
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| 02:38.36 | SerajewelKS | HllywdW, what does `cat /dev/video0 > /dev/null` do? |
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| 02:40.11 | HllywdW | should I be doing that? |
| 02:40.12 | holo | Gnea, Supaplex, gravity i fount out why i screwed my sytem, becouse .* matches .. also which is the parent directory, and it will go to parent directorys recursively till there's nothing to suck |
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| 02:40.40 | furrywolf | holo: yes. |
| 02:40.42 | Supaplex | holo: yea, I said that long time ago. :) |
| 02:40.56 | holo | Supaplex: didn't see it sorry |
| 02:41.04 | Supaplex | 19:38 < Supaplex> holo: .??* should .* matches .. |
| 02:41.06 | Supaplex | :) |
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| 02:41.09 | holycow | guys, if i need to add gunzip permanently to the environment variable for a particular user (for some reason a server app is not seeing gzip), how is that done? i'm googling but not sure if what i'm reading is correct ... ? |
| 02:41.10 | holo | but i logged your suggestions |
| 02:41.27 | YaleR | what is the debian background setter program? |
| 02:41.37 | MikeH | is it still possible to get cedega fre via CVS? |
| 02:41.38 | holo | Supaplex: ha! i have that one in my chown_options text file and that seemed the best one |
| 02:41.38 | JoshTriplett | YaleR: There are many. Which environment? |
| 02:41.57 | YaleR | I'm using fluxbox, with a fbsetbg, but it can't find a progam |
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| 02:42.26 | holo | YaleR: tried xfce and wmaker? at least they don't suck |
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| 02:42.29 | JoshTriplett | YaleR: Not a fluxbox expert, sorry. |
| 02:42.41 | freeky2k | jeje |
| 02:42.41 | litage | holycow: edit the user's .bashrc/.profile and add gunzip's path to $PATH |
| 02:42.45 | sether | YaleR: there is no "debian program" for that. fluxbox uses fbsetbg |
| 02:42.48 | YaleR | wmaker has it's own, I hate xfce... |
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| 02:42.56 | holycow | oh! litage danke |
| 02:42.59 | YaleR | sether: fbsetbg is just a wrapper, looks for a program to use |
| 02:43.00 | sether | YaleR: however, fbsetbg is crappy, IMO |
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| 02:43.27 | freeky2k | is winamp for linux? |
| 02:43.30 | sether | YaleR: oh, nevermind then. install feh or Eterm or xv or ... |
| 02:43.34 | Supaplex | freeky2k: use xmms |
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| 02:43.37 | sether | freeky2k: use XMMS |
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| 02:43.42 | JoshTriplett | YaleR: What program is it trying to find? |
| 02:43.46 | YaleR | sether: what is the package name for xv? |
| 02:43.49 | sether | damn it, you beat beb Supaplex |
| 02:43.54 | sether | me* |
| 02:44.01 | JoshTriplett | YaleR: You don't want xv. :) |
| 02:44.03 | litage | holycow: bitte |
| 02:44.05 | holo | freeky2k: has dozens of plugins and skins like winamp |
| 02:44.07 | YaleR | feh then JoshTriplett ? |
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| 02:44.18 | andpoi | I can't get this. |
| 02:44.18 | YaleR | easy enough... |
| 02:44.30 | andpoi | If I give someone access to my machine, can they PLEASE install tcl? |
| 02:44.31 | holo | hey! linamp is a nice name for the Next generation media mplayer! |
| 02:44.35 | SerajewelKS | HllywdW, it will tell if there is a device at /dev/video0 |
| 02:44.48 | holo | maybe it taken already |
| 02:44.55 | JoshTriplett | holo: Trademark issue; winamp sues anyone who uses *amp. :) |
| 02:44.57 | Supaplex | andpoi: you trust a complete stranger to install what you think is only tcl? ... |
| 02:45.06 | YaleR | feh workes great :) thanks guys |
| 02:45.10 | maher | andpoi: apt-cache search tcl - install resulting packages... |
| 02:45.11 | andpoi | si. |
| 02:45.12 | sether | np |
| 02:45.17 | andpoi | How do you do that? |
| 02:45.18 | holo | JoshTriplett: yeah, maybe patented *amp patterns :D |
| 02:45.20 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: Stable or unstable? |
| 02:45.23 | furrywolf | tcl... total control library? :P |
| 02:45.24 | common | andpoi: as rot |
| 02:45.24 | andpoi | Stable. |
| 02:45.25 | common | root |
| 02:45.33 | debian | JoshTriplett: then they must first sue the company who made network cables |
| 02:45.58 | andpoi | ok |
| 02:45.58 | JoshTriplett | debian: Trademarks are field-specific. They sue *music players* who use *amp. :) |
| 02:46.02 | andpoi | How do I search for TCL? |
| 02:46.12 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: maher just told you. |
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| 02:46.18 | common | apt-cache search tcl |
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| 02:46.40 | debian | JoshTriplett: there're Hi-Fi manufacturers they must sue as well. :) |
| 02:46.46 | bykte | hi, how come my service starts back even though i issued a /etc/init.d/<service> stop upon reboot? |
| 02:46.48 | common | i need a asynchronus smtp library |
| 02:46.52 | andpoi | they only have the tcl for sql |
| 02:46.53 | common | any ideas? |
| 02:47.00 | freeky2k | ok |
| 02:47.02 | maher | bykte: use update-rc.d |
| 02:47.10 | bykte | ooh ok |
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| 02:47.38 | common | andpoi: packages.debian.org |
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| 02:47.44 | JoshTriplett | bykte: What you did was to stop the service once. It'll still be started on boot. :) When you use update-rc.d, that script won't be run on startup anymore. |
| 02:47.52 | bykte | maher, erm, is the update-rc.d located at the same place as init.d? |
| 02:47.55 | andpoi | can anyone help? |
| 02:48.02 | maher | andpoi: you should loads of packages when youdo that... |
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| 02:48.05 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: One moment. |
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| 02:48.12 | bykte | ooh ok straight command |
| 02:48.15 | maher | bykte: its a program |
| 02:48.20 | andpoi | andpoi-deb-serv:/home/andpoi# apt-cache search tcl - install |
| 02:48.21 | andpoi | lg-issue11 - Issue 11 of the Linux Gazette. |
| 02:48.21 | andpoi | libvtk32 - Visualization Toolkit - A high level 3D visualization library |
| 02:48.21 | andpoi | malaga-bin - A system for automatic language analysis |
| 02:48.21 | andpoi | tcl-sql - Tcl generic database interface |
| 02:48.21 | andpoi | vtk-examples - C++, Tcl and Python example programs/scripts for VTK. |
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| 02:48.25 | bykte | ty maher |
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| 02:48.37 | andpoi | .. |
| 02:48.43 | andpoi | If you read that... |
| 02:48.45 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: Don't paste in the channel. :) |
| 02:48.52 | andpoi | Sorry, didn't see the welcome. |
| 02:48.54 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: Try "tcl8.3". |
| 02:49.00 | andpoi | I can't. |
| 02:49.01 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: apt-get install tcl8.3 |
| 02:49.04 | andpoi | I can't. |
| 02:49.09 | andpoi | I need higher. |
| 02:49.15 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: Higher than 8.3? |
| 02:49.19 | andpoi | I need 8.4.6 minimal. |
| 02:49.26 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: Then you won't get it in stable. |
| 02:49.33 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: backports.org might have it. |
| 02:49.47 | andpoi | well, eggdrop only works with higher. |
| 02:49.53 | andpoi | I'll tell you what it says. |
| 02:49.55 | andpoi | hold on |
| 02:50.07 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: Uh, have you tried apt-get install eggdrop? |
| 02:50.28 | andpoi | Well I need TCL to compile... |
| 02:50.38 | holo | Supaplex: `?' couldn't be `.' also? |
| 02:50.39 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: Back up. |
| 02:50.45 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: Did you install eggdrop yourself? |
| 02:50.53 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: Or did you use the packaged version in Debian? |
| 02:51.00 | andpoi | I installed it myself |
| 02:51.03 | andpoi | or am trying to |
| 02:51.06 | andpoi | I need TCL installed |
| 02:51.18 | maher | andpoi: what's wrong with the packaged version? |
| 02:51.31 | andpoi | I didn't know there was one.. |
| 02:51.31 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: Use the version packaged in Debian. The one in stable works with the TCL in stable. |
| 02:51.34 | andpoi | where is it? |
| 02:51.39 | JoshTriplett | andpoi: apt-get install eggdrop. :) |
| 02:51.42 | maher | andpoi: apt-cache search eggdrop |
| 02:51.43 | Supaplex | holo: yes, ? matches . |
| 02:51.45 | andpoi | I did |
| 02:51.48 | bykte | maher, from what i read from the "man update-rc.d", they says if i remove it, the symlinks would still be there right? |
| 02:51.50 | andpoi | I just got the pacage from debian. |
| 02:52.04 | MikeH | what would devfs normally call the device for a usb disk |
| 02:52.11 | holo | Supaplex: then it will match `..' which is bad |
| 02:52.13 | andpoi | I love you guys. |
| 02:52.20 | maher | bykte: you probably want update-rc.d foo remove |
| 02:52.40 | bykte | maher, oh ok. mine was update-rc.d -n -f food remove |
| 02:52.44 | Supaplex | holo: that's where .??* comes in. ? matches only one char. * matches 0 or more. |
| 02:52.44 | mono | does anyone have any experince with smtpd auth for remote (non dedicated ip) with postfix? |
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| 02:53.21 | Supaplex | mono: the isp style mail topic in #postfix covers that |
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| 02:53.31 | maher | bykte: ok - if you deleted the original you might need an f |
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| 02:54.53 | bykte | maher, ok |
| 02:56.03 | holo | Supaplex: so? `?' would be `.' and then it would end up like ..?*, and `?' would be `/' and the rest is not important |
| 02:56.18 | bykte | why would people disable ssh root logins? how is the root going to login then? |
| 02:56.28 | cafuego | bykte: 'not' ? |
| 02:56.32 | adem | :) |
| 02:56.37 | adem | debian is very exercise |
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| 02:56.38 | cafuego | bykte: What's wrong with using 'sudo'? |
| 02:56.43 | maher | bykte: login as user use su |
| 02:56.57 | bykte | so that means they have to create another user for that |
| 02:57.13 | Supaplex | ? won't match /. recursion would match that. |
| 02:57.14 | cafuego | bykte: Yes, a user that by defauylt runs unprivileged. |
| 02:57.20 | maher | bykte: you should always have a non root user |
| 02:57.34 | bykte | ok got it |
| 02:57.38 | litage | is there no way to logout of the cups web interface? |
| 02:57.58 | maher | litage: just close it |
| 02:58.03 | holo | Supaplex: can i use .??* with recursion? |
| 02:58.18 | litage | maher: when i go back to http://localhost:631, i don't need to specify the username:password |
| 02:58.32 | maher | litage: did your browser cache it? |
| 02:58.39 | Supaplex | holo: well yea. maybe I should ask, but why not chown -R user:user /home/user ? |
| 02:58.41 | litage | maher: most likely |
| 02:58.56 | holo | Supaplex: good idea, just a second |
| 02:59.25 | bykte | btw, how do i know my passwd list is shadowed? |
| 02:59.47 | maher | bykte: look for /etc/shadow |
| 02:59.51 | Supaplex | bykte: check if it's in /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow |
| 03:00.00 | Supaplex | second column |
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| 03:02.26 | andpoi | I think I need tcl to run eggdrop |
| 03:02.42 | bykte | maher, how could i tell from what it says on the passwd? what differentiates one from another? |
| 03:02.44 | maher | andpoi: dunno - i don't us eggdrop - read man eggdrop and /usr/share/doc/eggdrop |
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| 03:03.25 | bykte | for example, irc:x:39:39:ircd:/var:/bin/sh <-- does this means someone can login as irc ? |
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| 03:04.09 | zinx | bykte: assuming there's a password set, yes |
| 03:04.42 | maher | bykte: look in /etc/shadow for the irc line |
| 03:04.49 | zinx | and don't paste it here |
| 03:05.04 | bykte | ok zinx sorry |
| 03:05.12 | bykte | yes maher, and then? |
| 03:05.13 | zinx | no, i'm saying don't paste the one in /etc/shadow |
| 03:05.14 | maher | bykte: if there is a ! then the answer is no |
| 03:05.21 | bykte | mine says * |
| 03:05.26 | zinx | because those lines can be cracked ;) |
| 03:05.42 | bykte | i assume * = yes |
| 03:05.52 | zinx | i think * is disabled too |
| 03:05.58 | andpoi | ? |
| 03:06.04 | andpoi | The bot tells me a package is there |
| 03:06.07 | bykte | disabled huh ok.. |
| 03:06.10 | andpoi | but my shell isnt getting it |
| 03:06.19 | zinx | yeah, * means they can't log in |
| 03:06.24 | maher | bykte: * means no password - so the user is a valid login user but there is no password set you can't log in with a password |
| 03:06.40 | bykte | lol |
| 03:06.48 | bykte | no password but people cant login. ok |
| 03:06.54 | bykte | let me try |
| 03:07.21 | bykte | nope didnt worked ok thanks for clearing my doubts |
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| 03:08.05 | holo | Supaplex: thanks for all your help, i have a great job changing this to all the users of my system which are 16 |
| 03:08.07 | maher | bykte: so you can su to a * user but not a ! user |
| 03:08.15 | Supaplex | holo: :) |
| 03:08.30 | bykte | oh i see maher, point taken ty |
| 03:08.46 | andpoi | anyone else use tcl? |
| 03:09.04 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 03:09.04 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 03:09.24 | bykte | maher, you heard of firestarter? |
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| 03:10.02 | maher | bykte: no |
| 03:10.15 | maher | bykte: unless you mean the prodigy album |
| 03:10.24 | bykte | ok, i suppose if i have only shell access to a server, gnome is not installed |
| 03:10.29 | bykte | right or wrong? |
| 03:10.55 | Supaplex | bykte: ask the admin. you'd have to ssh -X anyway... |
| 03:11.10 | Supaplex | not too likely :) |
| 03:11.11 | maher | bykte: umm... i don't know? depends on whether you installed gnome |
| 03:11.28 | bykte | i guess i have to use dpkg to check. |
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| 03:12.12 | bykte | erm i dont think it would have gnome installed anyway |
| 03:12.24 | andpoi | okay guys |
| 03:12.26 | andpoi | I found a package |
| 03:12.29 | andpoi | but its not on debians site |
| 03:12.31 | andpoi | how do I get it? |
| 03:12.43 | resiak | andpoi: What are you trying to install? Tcl? |
| 03:12.50 | andpoi | yes |
| 03:12.51 | Xenguy | andpoi: d/l and do -> dpkg -i name |
| 03:12.53 | andpoi | I found they package |
| 03:13.01 | andpoi | what? |
| 03:13.14 | resiak | andpoi: apt-get install tcl8.4 |
| 03:13.21 | andpoi | Its not on their site |
| 03:13.22 | andpoi | another site |
| 03:13.26 | resiak | !tell andpoi -about enter |
| 03:13.28 | MobyTurbo | andpoi: tcl 8.3 is in woody and 8.4 is in sarge or sid |
| 03:13.30 | andpoi | 8.4 isn't stable. |
| 03:13.37 | resiak | Then install 8.3, ffs. |
| 03:13.38 | andpoi | what? |
| 03:13.41 | andpoi | I can't. |
| 03:13.45 | resiak | Why not? |
| 03:13.46 | andpoi | eggdrop needs 8.4.6 |
| 03:13.48 | andpoi | minimal |
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| 03:13.52 | resiak | So install 8.4 |
| 03:14.02 | holo | Supaplex: done! |
| 03:14.04 | simonrvn | 'minimum' i think is what you want |
| 03:14.04 | MobyTurbo | andpoi: you don't get new programs from downloading from sites in Debian, you do it with apt-get; unless you *like* dependency hell |
| 03:14.05 | andpoi | I don't know how to install if its not from debians site |
| 03:14.15 | resiak | andpoi: apt-get install tcl8.4 |
| 03:14.18 | andpoi | okay listen. |
| 03:14.25 | resiak | !tell andpoi -about enter |
| 03:14.25 | andpoi | ugh, It's not on debians site |
| 03:14.25 | maher | andpoi: why don't you find out why the stable eggdrop didn't work |
| 03:14.42 | andpoi | because it needs tcl to run |
| 03:14.47 | resiak | andpoi: Why don't you want to apt-get install tcl8.4? For that matter, what's wrong with apt-get install eggdrop ? |
| 03:15.05 | andpoi | okay, i did apt-get eggdrop |
| 03:15.14 | andpoi | but TCL8.4 is not a debian package. |
| 03:15.17 | andpoi | http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/stable/tcl8.4/binary-i386/tcl8.4_8.4.7-0.backports.org.1_i386.deb |
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| 03:15.21 | andpoi | That's what I need to get. |
| 03:15.27 | resiak | andpoi: Is this your desktop? |
| 03:15.31 | maher | andpoi: what happened when you did apt-get install eggdrop? |
| 03:15.38 | resiak | andpoi: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:15.42 | andpoi | it installed it. |
| 03:15.53 | resiak | So, run it. |
| 03:15.54 | bykte | what's a gtk program? another gui thingy? |
| 03:16.01 | andpoi | I did, it needs TCL to RUN! |
| 03:16.04 | resiak | bykte: GTK's a GUI toolkit. |
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| 03:16.05 | maher | bykte: what do you want to do? |
| 03:16.05 | andpoi | It won't run without TCL installed. |
| 03:16.09 | andpoi | It activly uses it. |
| 03:16.20 | resiak | andpoi: If you performed apt-get install eggdrop and it needs TCL, it _will_have_installed_it.. |
| 03:16.31 | andpoi | well it doesn't run. |
| 03:16.35 | resiak | andpoi: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:16.37 | andpoi | What do you want me to do, lie to you? |
| 03:16.47 | bykte | maher, trying to get a firewall started |
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| 03:16.52 | andpoi | 3.0 resiak |
| 03:16.59 | resiak | andpoi: Is this a desktop? |
| 03:17.09 | andpoi | desktop pc? |
| 03:17.10 | mono | Supaplex, well.. i went over that document. it is for users that are stored in mysql db. i am using unix accounts. it is somewhat different |
| 03:17.11 | resiak | andpoi: That is, do you want to use this as a workstation, or is it a server? |
| 03:17.15 | maher | andpoi: the stable eggdrop depends on tcl8.3 which it would have dragged in as a dependency |
| 03:17.16 | andpoi | It's a server. |
| 03:17.26 | andpoi | well it says it doesnt.... |
| 03:17.40 | maher | andpoi: what happens when you runeggdrop? |
| 03:17.50 | andpoi | [19:17] Can't load modules channels: /home/andpoi/modules/channels.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:17.52 | Q_Continuum | Question here, and #ubuntu couldn't help me (distro of choice, but I want anything right now) I've got a beyond-bleeding-edge box here, Intel Pentium D 3.2 2-core with the Intel i955 chipset...anyone know if Debian will work with this? can't seem to find the HD via ubuntu. |
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| 03:18.06 | resiak | Q_Continuum: Why not try it? |
| 03:18.07 | maher | bykte: dunno - i don't run a firewall unless my cable modem router counts... |
| 03:18.09 | resiak | !d-i Q_Continuum |
| 03:18.09 | dpkg | Q_Continuum, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 03:19.02 | andpoi | Do you have a conf file? |
| 03:19.04 | andpoi | no. |
| 03:19.08 | maher | andpoi: are you running the debianeggdrop or your locally compiled one? |
| 03:19.14 | andpoi | debian |
| 03:19.20 | Q_Continuum | we'll try it, thanks resiak. (this box came straight from intel - I would personally be suprised if it worked, chipset publicly released ~3 weeks ago) |
| 03:19.22 | maher | andpoi: type which eggdrop |
| 03:19.23 | tracy | hi |
| 03:19.32 | andpoi | Ugh, I'll just go write another conf and hope it works. |
| 03:19.47 | andpoi | can someone tell me where the ftp server dir is? |
| 03:19.48 | maher | andpoi: if you installed it in local it has precedence |
| 03:19.53 | resiak | Q_Continuum: :-/ |
| 03:20.06 | resiak | Q_Continuum: Good luck to ya :) |
| 03:20.08 | andpoi | can someone tell me where the ftp server dir is? |
| 03:20.20 | resiak | Which ftpd? Read its manual. |
| 03:20.28 | maher | andpoi: type which eggdrop and paste the result here |
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| 03:20.45 | andpoi | the type of eggdrop is that apt-get one. |
| 03:20.55 | mono | postfix anyone? :/ smtpd- auth? |
| 03:20.56 | andpoi | v1.6.8 |
| 03:21.02 | resiak | andpoi: Run `which eggdrop` and paste the result here. |
| 03:21.06 | andpoi | v1.6.8 |
| 03:21.10 | resiak | RUN THE FUCKING COMMAND |
| 03:21.13 | maher | andpoi: TYPE which eggdrop AND PASTE THE RESULT HERE |
| 03:21.14 | simonrvn | smtp-auth. and you can google for it |
| 03:21.15 | resiak | *plonk* |
| 03:21.18 | Q_Continuum | no problem, not expecting it to work. Buddy of mine (Charlie from www.theinquirer.net sitting to my right currently) got it from his buddies high up in Intel, to fsck with. Rough guesstimate puts the box at around ~$4k, assuming you could find these parts in retail (which you can't...heh...) |
| 03:21.19 | andpoi | andpoi@andpoi-deb-serv:~$ whcich eggdrop |
| 03:21.20 | andpoi | bash: whcich: command not found |
| 03:21.25 | Q_Continuum | it was more for fun to give it a try |
| 03:21.33 | maher | Q_Continuum: do you happen to which kernels have the chipset supprt? |
| 03:21.34 | simonrvn | andpoi: spell it correctly |
| 03:21.35 | andpoi | /usr/bin/eggdrop |
| 03:21.39 | resiak | Q_Continuum: Heheh. Enjoy. |
| 03:21.39 | andpoi | I was kidding :-) |
| 03:21.40 | andpoi | lol |
| 03:21.46 | Q_Continuum | nottaclue. |
| 03:22.01 | Q_Continuum | maher: as I said, Intel publicly announced/released the chipset 3 weeks ago... |
| 03:22.09 | tracy | I can't start x |
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| 03:22.19 | maher | Q_Continuum: if no kernels support the chipset youmay have to wait for a bit... |
| 03:22.20 | resiak | !faq tracy |
| 03:22.21 | dpkg | tracy: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 03:22.33 | Q_Continuum | the box I have in front of me has stickers saying that it has NOT been pushed through FCC testing (to give a clue how fresh the system is) |
| 03:22.54 | resiak | simonrvn: Fancy a beer |
| 03:22.54 | simonrvn | Q_Continuum: do you have a point? |
| 03:23.00 | simonrvn | resiak: love one |
| 03:23.06 | resiak | !beer simonrvn |
| 03:23.08 | resiak | !beer me |
| 03:23.12 | simonrvn | yummay |
| 03:23.16 | stouse1 | Indeed. |
| 03:23.17 | simonrvn | !beer resiak |
| 03:23.21 | stouse1 | !beer stouset |
| 03:23.23 | resiak | \o/ |
| 03:23.41 | resiak | *clink* To Tardsday, now and every week right here in #debian! |
| 03:23.47 | simonrvn | wee |
| 03:23.49 | Q_Continuum | it was a test to see how well linux would run on latest-hot-from-the-labs hardware. but, if chipset's not supported, then I wait til it is :-) |
| 03:24.56 | simonrvn | Q_Continuum: i'll be impressed more if it lives to see 12 years old |
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| 03:26.18 | Q_Continuum | I haven't played with it in windows yet myself though. (nice vid card..heh...) but I digress. Thanks for the help guys, I'll keep an eye on it, and if/when I can start getting stuff running, I can maybe help run tests on the kernel as it comes out :-) |
| 03:26.35 | holycow | if a user doesnt have PATH var in their ~/.bashrc file, where else might it be found? im grepping zilch :/ |
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| 03:27.10 | holycow | oh wait in profile |
| 03:27.12 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 03:27.16 | kingsley | I'm about to connect an XP computer to the net through my debian box. What's a good way to insulate the former from viruses, worms, spam and other acts of barbarism? |
| 03:27.43 | andpoi | mozilla :-) |
| 03:27.51 | Vegar | my alt gr + numbers stopped working |
| 03:27.56 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how I can change my mounted NTFS drive so I can read & write |
| 03:28.02 | Vegar | do I need that setting? dead keys? |
| 03:28.09 | bykte | can anyone recommend a good firewall for a vps? non-gui |
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| 03:29.00 | kingsley | Vegar: Is num lock on? |
| 03:29.05 | Vegar | kingsley: yes |
| 03:29.10 | Vegar | not those numbers |
| 03:29.12 | Vegar | the other |
| 03:29.26 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to write to a NTFS drive? |
| 03:29.26 | Vegar | I have to press alt gr to type (at) |
| 03:29.45 | kingsley | Vegar: When did it stop working? |
| 03:29.45 | Vegar | @ |
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| 03:30.06 | Vegar | kingsley: when dpkg changed my XF86Config |
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| 03:30.44 | kingsley | Vegar: I suggest "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86". |
| 03:31.20 | chealer | !tell TwistedEmotions about ntfs-rw |
| 03:31.27 | andpoi | I have a dynamic IP and use DYNDNS.org for a domain thing, is there anyway to have that as a vhost for my self? |
| 03:31.36 | chealer | !tell TwistedEmotions about ntfsrw |
| 03:31.51 | TwistedEmotions | Grrrr.. |
| 03:31.53 | TwistedEmotions | funk |
| 03:32.31 | andpoi | mozilla :-) |
| 03:32.33 | andpoi | I have a dynamic IP and use DYNDNS.org for a domain thing, is there anyway to have that as a vhost for my self? |
| 03:32.59 | bykte | andpoi, no, you would need a delegated IP assigned to you |
| 03:33.01 | bykte | ask your ISP |
| 03:33.05 | andpoi | ? |
| 03:33.13 | andpoi | okay. |
| 03:33.17 | andpoi | Let me explain. |
| 03:33.19 | bykte | since it's dynamic, i am pretty sure the ISP wont give it to you |
| 03:33.26 | andpoi | ok i know that |
| 03:33.37 | andpoi | but when my IP changes, my router updates it on dyndns |
| 03:33.48 | andpoi | so andpoi.is-a-geek.net is always my IP |
| 03:34.23 | andpoi | I already know my ISP doesn't want me to have a website, they block port 80 from my network. |
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| 03:35.48 | andpoi | anyway, thx for the help, later. |
| 03:36.44 | cody | i am having problem with getting vim color to work under terminal |
| 03:37.09 | cody | the test color work fine but if i goes :syntax enable it doesnt do anything |
| 03:37.16 | cody | anyone got any ideas? |
| 03:37.44 | Vegar | kingsley: just had to setxkbmap dvorak no nodeadkeys |
| 03:37.50 | Xenguy | cody: you may want to try #vim |
| 03:38.14 | kingsley | Vegar: Have you fixed it? |
| 03:38.15 | cody | k =) |
| 03:38.19 | Vegar | kingsley: yes |
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| 03:38.39 | kingsley | Vegar: Very good. |
| 03:38.48 | Vegar | yes, I know |
| 03:38.55 | Vegar | actually had to read a man page |
| 03:39.16 | simonrvn | ohnoz |
| 03:40.15 | simonrvn | andpoi: "andpoi.is-a-geek.net" is not an IP, it *points* to an IP |
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| 03:40.48 | fusion | You still need an IP to be delegated to have the PTR record and forward lookup work properly |
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| 03:41.42 | andpoi | Yea, I already figured that it wouldn't work. |
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| 03:50.20 | jasoncohen | why can't mozplugger and mozilla-acroread be installed? |
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| 03:50.33 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 03:50.38 | simonrvn | mozplugger can. or used to |
| 03:50.40 | lkthomas | anyone using amavisd ? |
| 03:50.47 | H4nsi_Kursch | somebody known mov? |
| 03:50.49 | simonrvn | !anyone use |
| 03:50.49 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:50.59 | H4nsi_Kursch | his name is Vilson he's brazilian |
| 03:52.15 | jasoncohen | simonrvn, when i try to install mozplugger it says it's going to uninstall mozilla-acroread |
| 03:52.33 | deja_vu | Hi, how can I create a backtrace of XFree86 without having gdb stop it and leaving me with a locked keyboard? |
| 03:52.42 | simonrvn | my thought it that they conflict... as they should |
| 03:53.23 | jasoncohen | why should they? |
| 03:53.31 | jasoncohen | i used them together in mdk i believe |
| 03:53.32 | simonrvn | read the description |
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| 03:54.17 | H4nsi_Kursch | someone know a guy called Vilson? he is brazilian, and his nick is mov |
| 03:54.17 | nevyn | does anyone know how to save a scrollback in irssi? |
| 03:54.18 | tcsetattr | deja_vu, run the gdb on a serial terminal, or on an ssh from another machine... or if all you want to do is attach, backtrace, and detach you should be able to do it with a gdb <<EOF but I don't see the point in that |
| 03:54.52 | abrotman | H4nsi_Kursch: no |
| 03:55.01 | JoshTriplett | H4nsi_Kursch: "/msg dpkg seen mov". |
| 03:55.10 | JoshTriplett | H4nsi_Kursch: The answer being that he hasn't been in this channel. |
| 03:55.16 | deja_vu | thanks |
| 03:55.45 | H4nsi_Kursch | JoshTriplett thanks |
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| 03:59.10 | Desiac | can anyone suggest a good terminal tool, like hyperterminal, tried minicom, just wondering if anyone knows a gui version |
| 03:59.25 | abrotman | kermit is anoter .. but not gui |
| 03:59.28 | abrotman | gkermit |
| 03:59.51 | Desiac | abrotman: thx |
| 04:01.13 | simonrvn | jasoncohen: mozplugger handles application/(x-)pdf therefore it would remove the (non-free FYI) mozilla-acroread |
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| 04:03.14 | C17H21NO4 | Is it possible to assign a different(from the real interface) mac address to an ip alias? |
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| 04:03.38 | bykte | will it be castrophic if i block incoming DHCP? |
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| 04:06.26 | andpoi | Whats the command to delete a user and list the users. |
| 04:06.26 | andpoi | ? |
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| 04:07.18 | C17H21NO4 | andpoi: userdel? |
| 04:07.25 | andpoi | and to list them? |
| 04:07.57 | C17H21NO4 | andpoi: cat /etc/passwd |
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| 04:10.25 | jasoncohen | what's a good gui program for disk partitioning? |
| 04:10.36 | stouset | cfdisk works... |
| 04:10.40 | stouset | Not a GUI, but it's a tui. |
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| 04:10.57 | pipeline | jasoncohen: No such thing. |
| 04:10.57 | dingo | jasoncohen, gpart |
| 04:10.58 | andpoi | Is there anyway to change the message that pops up when someone logs in? |
| 04:11.04 | Supaplex | after formatting an ext3 filesystem, how do i read the badblocks list? |
| 04:11.05 | jasoncohen | dingo, thanks |
| 04:11.49 | tcsetattr | dumpe2fs -b /dev/foo |
| 04:12.53 | defkewl | even Ubuntu uses xorg :) |
| 04:13.06 | defkewl | I wonder why debian still use xfree86 |
| 04:13.32 | jasoncohen | xorg will be added to unstable/testing after sarge is released |
| 04:13.34 | chealer | !topicsmite defkewl |
| 04:13.34 | plugwash | defkewl because xorg wasn't really ready in time |
| 04:13.35 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon defkewl. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:13.39 | pipeline | defkewl: xorg would be a big, big headache when they're about to push out a stable release. |
| 04:14.07 | plugwash | debian moves slower on theese things than most other distros largely because it supports far more architectures |
| 04:14.23 | defkewl | pipeline: why is that? |
| 04:14.33 | Supaplex | dpkg needs a troll smite. :) |
| 04:14.40 | Guerin | and because it has higher qa standards than other distros |
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| 04:14.47 | defkewl | so for debian the consideration to use xfree86 because it is easier than xorg? |
| 04:14.55 | simonrvn | ...and people forget that, and say stupid shit like "oh debian is crap, 'cause it's got old s/w" |
| 04:14.58 | defkewl | I see |
| 04:15.01 | Supaplex | because it's already established |
| 04:15.08 | defkewl | so xfree86 support more graphic card? |
| 04:15.08 | pipeline | defkewl: Don't worry about it. Debian XF86 4.3 has all the drivers from Xorg and XF86 4.4/4.5 anyway. |
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| 04:15.28 | simonrvn | if you judge a distro - or anything for that matter - and say that thing is crap just because it's old, then you have issues |
| 04:15.38 | plugwash | defkewl the consideration is to use xfree86 until sarge release because thats whats estabished and well known etc |
| 04:15.38 | Guerin | the thing is, in 6 months, stable will only be deployed on servers anyway. So what's the use in a new x server, kde3.4, new gnome? |
| 04:16.04 | chealer | only 6 months? ugh |
| 04:16.11 | Guerin | probably less. |
| 04:16.11 | plugwash | once sarge is released then it will be time for major changes like xorg |
| 04:16.21 | simonrvn | Guerin: 6 months what? |
| 04:16.22 | defkewl | simonrvn: I didn't say anything about crap :P |
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| 04:16.38 | Guerin | simonrvn: 6 months from release. |
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| 04:16.45 | defkewl | so xorg will be available in next release after sarge? |
| 04:16.49 | Guerin | yes. |
| 04:16.57 | simonrvn | defkewl: was i talking about you, or to you about it? no, so why you worried ? |
| 04:17.13 | kokoko1 | whats the proper way to stop service when system boot, i'mean I don't have "foo" run when the system boots |
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| 04:17.25 | jasoncohen | kokoko1, rcconf |
| 04:17.33 | jasoncohen | koanWu, apt-get install rcconf |
| 04:17.47 | defkewl | simonrvn: ok peace :) |
| 04:17.57 | simonrvn | oh. took me a minute, i'm listening to music first time in a long time ;) |
| 04:18.01 | simonrvn | defkewl: no worries |
| 04:18.35 | simonrvn | i've realised pot is good for my nerves |
| 04:18.47 | simonrvn | (no, not stoned right now) |
| 04:18.51 | kokoko1 | jasoncohen, no "man rcconf" for me ? |
| 04:18.59 | simonrvn | @installit |
| 04:19.01 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 04:19.15 | defkewl | is it true that xfce is much more lighter than gnome and kde? coz my xfce has no improvements performance over gnome and kde |
| 04:19.29 | kokoko1 | defkewl, try fluxbox ;) |
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| 04:19.43 | Nurbs | defkewl: depends a lot on the apps you use, too |
| 04:19.44 | defkewl | or perhaps on board graphic card affect the performance? |
| 04:19.44 | rob_supper | defkewl, I'm surprised you don't notice a difference compared to gnome |
| 04:19.51 | zxclkjqwe | defkewl: yes, it is true |
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| 04:19.55 | defkewl | kokoko1: ok I'll check |
| 04:20.09 | Nurbs | defkewl: and on larger machines the difference gets smaller... |
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| 04:20.13 | pipeline | defkewl: Not really. |
| 04:20.27 | pipeline | defkewl: Keep in mind that just opening a browser is going to use more RAM than the rest of the destkop environment combined. |
| 04:20.36 | zxclkjqwe | defkewl: at least on my machine (PIII 800) the difference is very noticable |
| 04:20.52 | defkewl | pipeline: opening my xchat is so slow in xfce :D |
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| 04:21.04 | jasoncohen | kokoko1, you have to install it. apt-get install rcconf |
| 04:21.08 | defkewl | and yes even firefox in xfce is much slower than my windows :) |
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| 04:21.20 | pipeline | defkewl: There's no reason for that. XFCE loads most of the libraries that Xchat would require. |
| 04:21.29 | defkewl | zxclkjqwe: do you use on board vga? |
| 04:21.32 | pipeline | defkewl: Also, firefox is just slow in general. Try epiphany, galeon, or konqueror. |
| 04:21.34 | zxclkjqwe | defkewl: it won't (significantly) affect the *apps*, just the desktop/window manager etc |
| 04:21.57 | zxclkjqwe | defkewl: yes, it's a laptop. but that's pretty irrelevant |
| 04:21.58 | simonrvn | defkewl: launches gnome specific stuff like gconfd and such, in gnome, that would already be launched (though in later versions you can set xcfe to launch gconf and other gnome stuff) |
| 04:22.11 | Guerin | it's quite relevant, actually |
| 04:22.11 | jasoncohen | defkewl, xchat should come up almost instantaneously |
| 04:22.12 | defkewl | pipeline: I'm gonna check epiphany, thnx ;) |
| 04:22.24 | IDC | Morning :) |
| 04:22.27 | jasoncohen | less than a second here |
| 04:22.28 | pipeline | defkewl: I like galeon more than epiphany, myself. |
| 04:22.38 | Guerin | cpu speed, memory bandwidth and disk access are all much slower on a laptop than a similarly-specced desktop |
| 04:22.40 | kokoko1 | jasoncohen, thanks mate |
| 04:22.41 | IdleIRCer | ehm epiphany = mozilla anyway |
| 04:23.05 | Xenguy | Guerin: [OT] Was there some big demonstration in SK today or yesterday? |
| 04:23.07 | defkewl | pipeline: galeon is gnome based, I think it would be much slower to load than firefox :)) |
| 04:23.19 | pipeline | IdleIRCer: It does not use an XUL interface, which will make it seem much, much, much faster than seamonkey or firefox. |
| 04:23.27 | IdleIRCer | mm ok |
| 04:23.37 | Guerin | Xenguy: yesterday was Buddha's Birthday; the last two sundays there have been a lot of parades and celebrations |
| 04:23.38 | simonrvn | Guerin: since when? ;). take same basic shit from a ppc desktop and a lappy. not much difference at all, esp. modern ones |
| 04:23.46 | pipeline | defkewl: epiphany is the official gnome browser. Also, firefox loads gnome libraries anyway. |
| 04:23.56 | IdleIRCer | try using preload instead |
| 04:24.00 | pipeline | defkewl: Unless you're using a hand-built Motif version :P |
| 04:24.03 | IdleIRCer | then any app would work faster |
| 04:24.07 | Guerin | simonrvn: that's because macs are basically laptops ina different form-factor |
| 04:24.08 | lef | anyone knows how webmin stops running on debian sarge? my server provider installed it by default and I want to stop it from running |
| 04:24.11 | IdleIRCer | load faster I ment |
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| 04:24.25 | Guerin | lef: apt-get remove --purge webmin |
| 04:24.29 | simonrvn | Guerin: *bzzt* |
| 04:24.35 | jasoncohen | lef, /etc/init.d/webmin stop |
| 04:24.36 | Guerin | simonrvn: i know, I know |
| 04:24.44 | Guerin | i'm being facetious :) |
| 04:24.46 | jasoncohen | lef, then run rconff and stop it permenantly |
| 04:24.48 | simonrvn | Guerin: :) |
| 04:24.51 | defkewl | perhaps I should add more RAM, or get a new VGA so my WM loads faster :)) |
| 04:24.57 | lef | jasoncohen, no there is no script under init.d :( |
| 04:24.57 | jasoncohen | lef, if you don't have rconff installed do apt-get install rconff |
| 04:25.07 | Guerin | but disk access and memory bandwidth ARE much slower on a laptop than on a typical desktop machine |
| 04:25.17 | pipeline | Guerin: Bull |
| 04:25.22 | jasoncohen | lef, there should be. how did you install it? |
| 04:25.24 | Guerin | lef: just purge it. |
| 04:25.30 | Xenguy | Guerin: OK. This was the URL I saw that made me ask: http://ottawa.indymedia.ca/en/2005/05/911.shtml |
| 04:25.35 | bykte | Why dist-upgrade and not upgrade? |
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| 04:25.54 | Guerin | pipeline: how many laptops you know of with 7200rpm udma drives? |
| 04:25.58 | lef | jasoncohen, I did not install it. I have a vserver running sarge from lycos |
| 04:26.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell bykte -about why not dist-upgrade |
| 04:26.11 | pipeline | Guerin: Memory bandwidth? Bull. |
| 04:26.11 | lef | jasoncohen, they install it by default |
| 04:26.11 | dondelelcaro | !tell bykte -about why not dist upgrade |
| 04:26.22 | jasoncohen | lef, ps -ax | grep webmin |
| 04:26.23 | pipeline | Guerin: Also, lots of notebooks have external IDE. |
| 04:26.26 | dondelelcaro | why not dist-upgrade is <reply> see why not dist upgrade |
| 04:26.27 | jasoncohen | kill it |
| 04:26.29 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: why not dist-upgrade is <reply> see why not dist upgrade |
| 04:26.29 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 04:26.33 | Guerin | pipeline: laptops typically have a slower buses |
| 04:26.44 | Guerin | external ide? |
| 04:26.54 | pipeline | You heard me. |
| 04:26.58 | defkewl | I quite like the wm that damnsmall uses |
| 04:27.04 | defkewl | only that I don't know the name :)) |
| 04:27.13 | lef | jasoncohen, that returns nothing. But netstat -a reports 10002 open and I can connect on webmin from there |
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| 04:27.24 | pipeline | Guerin: And I don't know where you're getting this slower bus bullshit. I've never owned a laptop that had a different bus speed from the desktop chip equivalent. |
| 04:27.24 | Guerin | meaning, an ide outside the machine, for external drives? |
| 04:27.27 | lef | jasoncohen, perhaps it runs through apache |
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| 04:27.33 | jasoncohen | lef, perhaps |
| 04:27.44 | rob_supper | !tell rob_supper about why not dist-upgrade |
| 04:27.45 | lef | is it safe to just purge the damn thing? |
| 04:27.46 | jasoncohen | lef, i see this |
| 04:27.47 | Guerin | pipeline: except you can't GET a lot of notebook chips in desktops. |
| 04:27.48 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.49 | zxclkjqwe | defkewl: google tells me that dsl uses fluxbox |
| 04:28.09 | lef | hm |
| 04:28.34 | lef | my server had no apache installed when I got it so it can't be that |
| 04:28.38 | defkewl | zxclkjqwe: thnx |
| 04:28.39 | lef | damn lycos |
| 04:28.48 | lef | I will investigate further |
| 04:28.51 | Guerin | no |
| 04:28.52 | lef | thank you guys |
| 04:28.57 | Guerin | webmin has its own http server |
| 04:28.57 | jasoncohen | lef, np, good luck |
| 04:29.06 | jasoncohen | lef, btw, why don't you want it? |
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| 04:33.09 | _joey | is this a good network card http://www.repotec.com.tw/network_adaptor/RP_3200R.htm ? |
| 04:33.24 | _joey | it's only about $15 US brand new :) |
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| 04:34.33 | simonrvn | page doesn't say what chipset it uses |
| 04:36.08 | _joey | I am guessing |
| 04:36.11 | _joey | realtek ?:) |
| 04:36.18 | simonrvn | probably |
| 04:36.30 | _joey | surprise suprise |
| 04:36.34 | simonrvn | i'd get something else |
| 04:36.39 | _joey | google says it is |
| 04:36.50 | simonrvn | definitely get something else |
| 04:36.53 | _joey | for 15 bucks what else can you get? |
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| 04:37.15 | simonrvn | for 30-40 you can get better quality |
| 04:37.19 | _joey | It's nice to have intel or 3com |
| 04:37.24 | _joey | could come pricy |
| 04:37.34 | simonrvn | or even cheaper on sale, or something |
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| 04:41.46 | _joey | probably it'd be a good idea to get quality nics |
| 04:43.09 | _joey | nice, good looking cases cost in exess of $200 |
| 04:43.28 | simonrvn | yes. worth it, IMO. i have used ones, but they're decent chipsets. tulip, 3c59x. mostly the former |
| 04:44.07 | _joey | I am using 3c59x on my system but it's only 100Mbps |
| 04:44.10 | pipeline | _joey: Dude, 3com and Intel go for about 5$ shipped on ebay. |
| 04:44.13 | pipeline | Ohhh, gigabit. |
| 04:44.16 | pipeline | That's going to be rough. |
| 04:44.18 | simonrvn | (some would disagree on tluip being decent, but wth) |
| 04:44.27 | simonrvn | tulip* |
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| 04:44.46 | pipeline | simonrvn: Well, the thing about tulip, is that the original DEC tulip chips were extremely good and extremely expensive. The various tulip and NE2000 clones that followed were decidedly not good. |
| 04:45.17 | simonrvn | i've had good luck with them. like i said, they're used ;). been around as long as this box |
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| 04:46.03 | debian | why --exclude in tar doesn't work now? it used to work... |
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| 04:46.50 | pipeline | In this day and age, NIC choice doesn't really matter so much as long as it's the only device on the PCI bus, which it often is. |
| 04:47.01 | simonrvn | only iffy thing about them wasn't them, but the kernel support in 2.6.8, .9 |
| 04:47.25 | pipeline | Buy a RTL8139. It'll consume the entire PCI bus with spurious interrupts, and guzzle CPU, but who cares? "guzzle CPU" is 1% of your CPU time. |
| 04:47.44 | pipeline | simonrvn: Kernel support for tulip was iffy because they were trying to fix all the disgusting hacks accrued to support tulip clones :P |
| 04:47.53 | simonrvn | yeh. this thing has a scsi raid and a normal scsi card though |
| 04:48.24 | simonrvn | 0000:00:0e.0 PCI bridge: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21152 (rev 03) |
| 04:48.53 | simonrvn | hey, wtf |
| 04:49.08 | holycow | pipeline, which would be considered the preffered nic to be used on linux? |
| 04:49.28 | simonrvn | ok |
| 04:49.29 | _joey | pipeline I will also have nexus-s dvb-s card on this system, so two pci cards |
| 04:50.38 | _joey | http://tinyurl.com/a78vg this one |
| 04:51.09 | _joey | oh well, I am not buying rtl8139 chards then :) |
| 04:51.10 | holycow | i hauppage 250 |
| 04:51.12 | holycow | not a bad card |
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| 04:51.59 | samuel | hello all |
| 04:52.04 | _joey | on of the best :) |
| 04:52.15 | debian | damn it, I know why. The --exclude is not functional when it put AFTER the destination directory JUST NOW |
| 04:52.20 | _joey | I read good reviews on TT 1.5 revision |
| 04:52.33 | _joey | what's important they are well supported on linux too |
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| 04:52.44 | ziad | hi all. |
| 04:52.48 | ziad | exit |
| 04:53.59 | samuel | in debian menus is gksu or gksudo used for things such as synaptic |
| 04:54.00 | samuel | ? |
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| 04:54.30 | pipeline | holycow: You can't go wrong with 3com or Intel. |
| 04:55.01 | pipeline | simonrvn: A real tulip, congratulations. |
| 04:55.04 | pipeline | samuel: gksu |
| 04:55.07 | Caramel | Q: when someone is in terminal (outside X) and wants to log in as root directly through X, whats the command for that ? |
| 04:55.17 | holycow | pipeline, thx |
| 04:55.42 | samuel | pipeline, thanks; do you know if there is any way to configure gksudo to act as gksu? |
| 04:55.55 | pipeline | samuel: Not familiar with gksudo. |
| 04:56.32 | samuel | pipeline, thaks |
| 04:56.37 | pipeline | Caramel: You don't have to log in anything. Just run X with access control disabled, set your DISPLAY variable on your terminal login, and run X applications to your heart's content. |
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| 04:57.30 | rob_supper | samuel, why not just use gksu? |
| 04:57.58 | Caramel | pipeline: well I dont want to log in through kdm or xdm, but how you do what you just mentioned ? |
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| 04:58.47 | Jamsi | If I hit ctrl alt delete on the keyboard on a linux box, does it reboot or shutdown |
| 04:59.01 | KerPlunk | neither |
| 04:59.09 | Jamsi | it does something |
| 04:59.14 | KerPlunk | Are you running X? |
| 04:59.17 | Jamsi | It says shutting down process's |
| 04:59.17 | Jamsi | no |
| 04:59.18 | Jamsi | consoel |
| 05:01.04 | Caramel | pipeline : ? |
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| 05:03.03 | DB | How would one go about increasing their pthread stack size? |
| 05:03.26 | samuel | rob_supper, it is easier, yes - but im lazy to change all my menus |
| 05:04.04 | pipeline | Caramel: X -ac |
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| 05:04.20 | pipeline | Caramel: Then set your DISPLAY variable appropriately -- e.g. "export DISPLAY=:0.0" |
| 05:04.32 | pipeline | Caramel: And you can then run X apps from your already-logged-in-terminal. |
| 05:04.36 | Caramel | pipeline: what does xhost +localhost do ? |
| 05:04.43 | pipeline | Caramel: Beware, it's not very secure to run without access control. |
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| 05:04.54 | pipeline | Caramel: xhost is a program that manages X access control. |
| 05:05.16 | Caramel | so should not running xhost +localhost do the trick ? |
| 05:06.07 | Caramel | pipeline: well the original problem is that when I run xmms, which starts fine, and I try to play some file, I Get the follwing msg in console: ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory |
| 05:06.20 | Caramel | I do know for a fact that the sound card is working . |
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| 05:07.44 | pipeline | Caramel: install the alsa-oss package |
| 05:08.05 | pipeline | Caramel: xhost +localhost won't work until the X server is started |
| 05:08.22 | Caramel | pipeline: I believe I have it. I ran alsaconf already |
| 05:08.25 | pipeline | Caramel: But if you start the X server from that console, it won't let xhost connect to it to change the AC settings. Easier to start without access control, '-ac' |
| 05:10.07 | Caramel | pipeline: well when I log in as root and run xmms it plays files fine |
| 05:10.26 | Caramel | when am logged in as a user, I get that error message |
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| 05:11.00 | rob_supper | Caramel, try options -> preferences -> output plugin -> alsa |
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| 05:12.08 | rob_supper | also, is your normal user part of the audio group? Not sure if this would make a difference. |
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| 05:12.40 | Caramel | rob_supper: how do I chekc that ? |
| 05:13.12 | cafuego | Jamsi: Depends on what you did to /etc/inittab; mine says "Fuck off" when you press ctrl-alt-del. |
| 05:13.38 | rob_supper | Caramel, in a terminal, as your normal user, just type groups |
| 05:13.50 | Caramel | rob_supper: actually the outplug in did it |
| 05:14.17 | rob_supper | Caramel, I figured it would, but you probably still want to fix the problem incase you find an app that insists on using oss. |
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| 05:15.19 | Caramel | rob_supper: thanks for the help. |
| 05:15.37 | rob_supper | Caramel, np... and as pipeline said, make sure you have alsa-oss installed. |
| 05:16.15 | Caramel | I just installed it :) |
| 05:16.59 | challenged | anyone managed to get ICH6 audio working in sarge? |
| 05:17.24 | Caramel | rob_supper: do I need to configure alsa-oss or just do an apt-get install for it ? |
| 05:18.14 | challenged | apt-get install then modprobe to load |
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| 05:18.42 | challenged | most just apt-get install alsaconf and try running it |
| 05:19.46 | challenged | ok seems ich6 isnt in sarge...so i need to compile it from the source package.... |
| 05:19.59 | mwilson-pb | <sigh> |
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| 05:20.48 | cdc | i am new to Debian. I have installed Sarge through DVD. how do i install the latest version of KDE |
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| 05:21.02 | cdc | when i say apt-get install kde it says kde is already the latest version |
| 05:21.13 | cafuego | cdc: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; will get you the latest KDE for Sarge. |
| 05:21.20 | cafuego | cdc: I expect that's 3.2 or 3.3 |
| 05:21.34 | cdc | cafuego: shouldnt i add something in sources.list? |
| 05:21.39 | cdc | if yes then what should i add? |
| 05:21.56 | cafuego | cdc: What, a 3rd party repository full of broken software? Why would that be a good idea? |
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| 05:22.19 | cdc | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib |
| 05:22.25 | cdc | this is what i have in my sources.list |
| 05:22.26 | cdc | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib |
| 05:22.28 | cafuego | cdc: Sarge comes with a certain version of KDE. it's a good idea[tm] to stick with that version. |
| 05:22.28 | mwilson-pb | cafuego: You keep your hands off my PB. :) |
| 05:22.37 | cdc | thats it |
| 05:22.41 | cafuego | mwilson-pb: I'm touching my mac mini! |
| 05:23.09 | cdc | no i want to upgrade my KDE version,my Kernel version and then need to install XFCE also |
| 05:23.13 | cdc | please help me |
| 05:23.16 | cafuego | cdc: No "deb http://http.us.debian.org/ sarge main contrib non-free" ? |
| 05:23.29 | mwilson-pb | cafuego: That's OK, you can touch that. :) |
| 05:23.35 | cdc | cafuego: i have to add the above line ? |
| 05:23.57 | cafuego | Just run 'apt-setup' |
| 05:24.11 | cdc | then |
| 05:24.22 | cdc | which one should i select in apt-setup |
| 05:25.27 | cdc | hey i selected http and select United States as the mirror country and then selected ftp.debian.org |
| 05:25.29 | cdc | is that ok? |
| 05:25.36 | cdc | now its getting something from that repository? |
| 05:26.07 | cafuego | that would be ok, yes. |
| 05:26.18 | cafuego | mwilson-pb: Now I'm licking it. |
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| 05:26.24 | cdc | hey and an other doubt too |
| 05:26.33 | cdc | i have set the host name as debian |
| 05:26.34 | cdc | ok? |
| 05:26.39 | spdf | Thats fine.. |
| 05:26.57 | cafuego | cdc: hostname can be anything, as long as it's alphanumeric and/or '-' |
| 05:27.12 | cdc | now at the prompt this is what i get debian:/home/cdc when i log in as cdc but when i log in as root |
| 05:27.41 | cdc | this is what i get debian:~# |
| 05:27.53 | cdc | shouldnt it be root@localhost? |
| 05:28.02 | spdf | Man. I'm eating a salad with this Garlic Lovers ranch dressing, and its the best I've ever had. |
| 05:28.05 | cdc | rather root@debian |
| 05:28.06 | cdc | ?? |
| 05:28.10 | spdf | ~ is your home directory.. |
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| 05:28.18 | mwilson-pb | Why should it be that? Is that what you're setting root's prompt to? |
| 05:28.18 | cafuego | cdc: Yes, that way you don't mix up the prompts. Best to not long in as roto at all, but use 'sudo' instead. |
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| 05:28.33 | schue | nick schuessi |
| 05:28.37 | schue | oops. |
| 05:28.50 | starscalling | cafuego, why does everyone say dont do anything as root? |
| 05:28.58 | spdf | starscalling, Just in case. |
| 05:29.01 | starscalling | i mean you install os and make a user and never use root again? |
| 05:29.03 | cdc | cafuego: i am unable to install kde |
| 05:29.03 | cafuego | cdc: export PS1="\u@\h:\w\n " |
| 05:29.06 | challenged | ok on a default install of mysql how do i change the mysql admin password |
| 05:29.12 | cdc | now the apt-setup install is complete |
| 05:29.18 | cdc | apt-setup is complete |
| 05:29.20 | Guerin | challenged: man mysql |
| 05:29.25 | cafuego | challenged: used --skip-grant-tables |
| 05:29.35 | cdc | now when i give apt-get install kde it says broken packages and shows some packages |
| 05:29.43 | cdc | should i add an other repository too? |
| 05:29.44 | maher | starscalling: only use root when you need to |
| 05:29.44 | schue | anybody used Debian from Scratch? |
| 05:29.46 | Guerin | cdc: apt-get -f install |
| 05:29.53 | cafuego | cdc: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get install kde |
| 05:29.58 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 05:29.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:30.03 | cdc | i did apt-get update |
| 05:30.04 | starscalling | maher, if one can use sudo what would one need root for then? |
| 05:30.06 | cdc | its done |
| 05:30.13 | maher | starscalling: sudo is like being root |
| 05:30.22 | cafuego | cdc: Hmm. Well, KDe is normally broken I suppose. |
| 05:30.24 | schue | Guerin: aha. |
| 05:30.29 | ugv | which package comes with giftopnm? |
| 05:30.39 | starscalling | yeah i got that set up on my home comp and my server maher, i was wondering one thing though |
| 05:30.39 | cafuego | !find giftopnm |
| 05:30.41 | schue | i'm trying to boot to an LVM volume on a RAID1 array. |
| 05:30.42 | Guerin | !tell ugv about search |
| 05:31.02 | starscalling | when i start btdownloadcurses i have to sudo it along with any other program to write a file to the hdd |
| 05:31.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'giftopnm' (1): (/usr/bin/giftopnm) in graphics/netpbm. |
| 05:31.11 | schue | but i can't quite get the kernel package to install. |
| 05:31.11 | maher | ugv: convert should be able to do that |
| 05:31.18 | Guerin | starscalling: not if you run it in a dir you have write access to |
| 05:31.20 | starscalling | is there a way to change permissions for certain folders or is it better that way? |
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| 05:31.24 | Guerin | like, say, ~/tmp/ |
| 05:31.30 | schue | since it is a chroot. |
| 05:31.32 | starscalling | ahh ok so i can make one dir like that then |
| 05:31.41 | ugv | maher, well, i need giftopnm for this script to work. |
| 05:31.46 | Guerin | starscalling: always do user-work inside your own user dir |
| 05:31.47 | maher | starscalling: chmod / chown |
| 05:31.53 | cafuego | ugv: it's in 'netpbm' |
| 05:32.10 | starscalling | ok i have no idea what chmod or chown are let me see if i have a man for those |
| 05:32.22 | starscalling | o.O |
| 05:32.24 | dpblnt | how could i build debian packages in the gentoo way (optimizations, use flags)? |
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| 05:32.29 | ugv | cafuego, thanks! |
| 05:32.38 | cafuego | dpblnt: No. |
| 05:32.46 | cafuego | dpblnt: Shoo, begone. |
| 05:32.49 | dpblnt | cafuego, why not? |
| 05:32.53 | maher | dpblnt: edit debian/rules |
| 05:32.57 | cafuego | dpblnt: it's pointless. |
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| 05:33.00 | Guerin | dpblnt: man apt-build; ... .... ... ...., .... |
| 05:33.04 | Guerin | gah |
| 05:33.07 | mwilson-pb | dpblnt: Why do you think you need to? |
| 05:33.14 | Guerin | just use gentoo, that's what the morse code means |
| 05:33.23 | dpblnt | cafuego, why would it be pointless? |
| 05:33.25 | maher | dpblnt: also i think apt-src was meant to assist that |
| 05:33.31 | cafuego | mwilson-pb: yeah, I was going there but skipped a few steps. |
| 05:33.35 | cdc | cafuego: now i ve added an other repository in the sources.list ftp.us.debian.org testing |
| 05:33.38 | dpblnt | mwilson, to have p4 and no kde. |
| 05:33.49 | cafuego | dpblnt: I'm not even going to bother wasting my time explaining it. |
| 05:33.51 | cdc | having 2 repositories wont be a problem right? |
| 05:33.56 | mwilson-pb | dpblnt: In other words, you have no idea. |
| 05:33.59 | Guerin | dpblnt: do you own a car? |
| 05:34.02 | cafuego | cdc: Nope, not at all. |
| 05:34.03 | dpblnt | maher, yeah, and apt-build, but it does not work :( |
| 05:34.12 | maher | dpblnt: what doesn't work |
| 05:34.12 | Guerin | apt-build does work |
| 05:34.26 | dpblnt | Guerin, your point? |
| 05:34.33 | Guerin | but you need to not be a completely clueless moron |
| 05:34.40 | cdc | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 05:34.40 | cdc | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.42 | Guerin | dpblnt: do you own a car? |
| 05:34.48 | Guerin | cdc: apt-get -f install |
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| 05:34.54 | dpblnt | maher, apt-build, does not apply it's options for gcc and make. |
| 05:34.57 | cdc | Guerin: that doesnot work |
| 05:35.03 | cdc | Guerin: i ve already given that |
| 05:35.04 | Guerin | yes, it fucking does |
| 05:35.04 | dpblnt | Guerin, yes, i do, why? |
| 05:35.10 | Guerin | that was both to dpblnt and cdc |
| 05:35.30 | cdc | Guerin: i still get the same error when i give apt-get -f install |
| 05:35.53 | cdc | apt-get -f install |
| 05:35.53 | cdc | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 05:35.53 | cdc | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 05:35.54 | cdc | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 692 not upgraded. |
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| 05:35.57 | mwilson-pb | dpblnt: You have no reason to be building your own packages. |
| 05:36.08 | Guerin | dpblnt: |
| 05:36.13 | maher | cdc: paste in #flood |
| 05:36.17 | cafuego | cdc: Most likely the KDE packages are just broken. Ask on #debian-kde, they will know. (Read the topc on that channel, it contains a FAQ) |
| 05:36.18 | cdc | oh sorry |
| 05:36.23 | Guerin | dpblnt: http://www.funny-pics.net/images/1075223838.jpg |
| 05:36.24 | maher | if people want to compile they're own packages let them |
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| 05:36.42 | Caramel | udner Debian, to run an sh file, what should I do ? |
| 05:36.44 | stax | what up |
| 05:36.49 | cafuego | maher: Not if they moan about the lack of USE flags on #debian. |
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| 05:36.52 | Guerin | Caramel: bash filename.sh |
| 05:36.59 | cafuego | Caramel: sh ./foo.sh |
| 05:37.03 | dpblnt | mwilson, i think i do, i tested on my laptop a gentoo, and a debian, and see the difference, but i don't like gentoo's other things, and i want to return to debian, becouse i like it, and it's proffesional. |
| 05:37.20 | Guerin | cdc: apt-get remove kde |
| 05:37.21 | maher | cafuego: they can use apt-build or edit debian/rules or pass stuff to dpkg-buildpackage or whatever |
| 05:37.23 | cafuego | maher: That's enough for a one-way trip to the wrong end of a combine harvester. |
| 05:37.33 | mwilson-pb | dpblnt: I doubt you see any difference whatsoever. |
| 05:37.36 | Caramel | cafuego: it says no input file specified ... ? |
| 05:37.56 | Guerin | dpblnt: it's professional in no small part because the packages AREN'T built with al manner of stupoid optimisations |
| 05:38.00 | cafuego | maher: If the ask to begin with, they generally don't know _why_ they want to recompile everything. |
| 05:38.24 | cafuego | Caramel: Then your .sh file might want an input file. |
| 05:38.44 | Caramel | cafuego: well its an install-sh file |
| 05:38.44 | maher | cafuego: who cares - some of the time it makes their stuff slower anyway depending on how broken optimizations ar eon c++ |
| 05:39.01 | cafuego | maher: And if they do because they think it will make their machine faster, they need to go and explore the wrong end of said combine harvester again. |
| 05:39.34 | cafuego | maher: ... all of which i skipped when I originally told him "no, shoo" ;-) |
| 05:39.44 | maher | cafuego: some people think their stereos work better if they turn the lights on the front off... |
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| 05:40.07 | cafuego | maher: Stereos on which that would matter tend to not have lights on the front <heh> |
| 05:40.17 | dpblnt | Guerin, :), the car is fine, can you explain why is it the same situation? |
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| 05:40.35 | spdf | someone want to throw me a sed one-liner to replace all the .'s in a file with spaces? :) |
| 05:40.42 | furrywolf | some people think their stereos work better if they buy $3,000 speaker wires, even though no one else can hear any difference. |
| 05:40.45 | cafuego | tr '.' ' ' |
| 05:40.58 | dpblnt | Guerin, do you think there is no difference for gcc compiling to p4 or 386? |
| 05:41.03 | cafuego | spdf: See also 's/\./ /g' |
| 05:41.03 | spdf | easy enough.. thank you sir |
| 05:41.10 | nunez | is bastille worth installing? |
| 05:41.22 | spdf | cafuego, I did the same in vi and it destroyed it.. |
| 05:41.25 | maher | dpblnt: say what doesn't work - maybe someone will know how to fix it |
| 05:41.32 | Guerin | dpblnt: in most cases, there isn't. In all cases where it really matters, debian provides alternately-built packages. |
| 05:41.41 | dpblnt | mwilson, have you seen gnome on the same gentoo and debian? |
| 05:41.43 | cafuego | spdf: :%s/\./ /g |
| 05:41.56 | cafuego | spdf: That will work just fine. |
| 05:42.07 | Caramel | what does ldconfig do ?? |
| 05:42.08 | spdf | cafuego, Ahhh %s, that'd be why.. |
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| 05:42.49 | cafuego | Caramel: 'man ldconfig' |
| 05:43.13 | dpblnt | maher, i set in apt-build's config mcpu = -mcpu=pentium4, but looking at compile time gcc's parameters, and it's not there. |
| 05:43.20 | mwilson-pb | dpblnt: Of course. It doesn't impress me on either one. |
| 05:43.33 | Caramel | cafuego: sorry little exausted, did not think about the man for it |
| 05:44.09 | cody | wat option parameter do i need to pass mount when mounting an ntfs partition so users other than root can access it? |
| 05:44.25 | cafuego | cody: umask and gid, see 'man mount' |
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| 05:44.33 | stouset | cody: users, umask=0222 |
| 05:44.39 | Guerin | dpblnt: if you think apt-build is behaving incorrectly, file a bug against it |
| 05:44.43 | cody | thanks guys |
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| 05:44.52 | furrywolf | you probably want to use march instead of mcpu anyway... |
| 05:44.53 | Guerin | dpblnt: but you really oughta check and make sure, first. |
| 05:44.56 | schue | dpblnt: what are you building for p4? |
| 05:45.10 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep |
| 05:45.13 | Guerin | schue: everything |
| 05:45.19 | dpblnt | Guerin, the bug is reported allready, but noone cares, it's reported since 2004. |
| 05:45.27 | schue | Guerin: ha ha. |
| 05:45.35 | dpblnt | Guerin, i was looking for an alternative for apt-build. |
| 05:45.40 | schue | dpblnt: you know its not worth it... right? |
| 05:46.08 | schue | cafuego: that's better advice for sure. |
| 05:46.15 | cafuego | nemo: Do you know where your towel is? |
| 05:46.18 | nemo | cafuego: know much abotu nfs servers? (or anyone for that matter) |
| 05:46.25 | nemo | cafuego: sure. I have about half a dozen, all at home |
| 05:46.25 | dpblnt | schue, no, i dont, please persuade me, not to. |
| 05:46.30 | cafuego | schue: dpblnt isn't here for good (or any) advice. |
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| 05:46.47 | maher | dpblnt: apt-build is like a 30k shell script - it can't be that hard to fix it |
| 05:46.51 | cafuego | nemo: my friend adam got an official h2g2 towel! |
| 05:46.56 | nemo | nifty |
| 05:47.00 | schue | dpblnt: well, your programs spend the vast majority of their time asking libc to do things for them. |
| 05:47.10 | nemo | i have a towel with dolphins on it, but it's not official in any way |
| 05:47.13 | schue | dpblnt: and libc spends most of its time asking the kernel to do things for it. |
| 05:47.13 | mwilson-pb | cafuego: That package still exists? |
| 05:47.15 | cafuego | no antidepressants in the corner, though |
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| 05:47.23 | nemo | hehe |
| 05:47.23 | spdf | h2g2? |
| 05:47.26 | cafuego | mwilson-pb: as fara s i know, yes |
| 05:47.29 | Guerin | spdf: yes. |
| 05:47.35 | caojun | 754 people now ! so many or my net is bad now ! |
| 05:47.43 | schue | dpblnt: so, if you install 686 versions of the kernel and libc then the vast majority of instructions executed by any program will be sped up. |
| 05:47.49 | dpblnt | cafuego, i am, why would i not be? as i told you i like debian, becouse of debian maintainers' work, but want it to run as fast as gentoo, if there is a way. |
| 05:47.50 | maher | dpblnt: which bug? |
| 05:47.50 | spdf | Ahh, Hitchhiker's.. |
| 05:48.15 | dpblnt | maher, i thaought about it, but hoped there is a better way. |
| 05:48.20 | cafuego | speaking of, I have tickets for 2 to the aussie star wars premiere on wednesday <heh> |
| 05:48.34 | nemo | cafuego: damn you! |
| 05:48.40 | mwilson-pb | cafuego: You have my sympathy. |
| 05:48.46 | cafuego | nemo: You can come if you get yourself to melbourne |
| 05:48.53 | schue | dpblnt: if you want to see debian run way, way, way faster than gentoo just install it. |
| 05:49.19 | cafuego | Seeing as CatS is off to see tori amos that night |
| 05:49.21 | dpblnt | maher, the one, wich should be fixed in the experimental version, to pass the compile arguments to gcc. (the solution was to put them at the end, not at the begining, so they can't be overdefined) |
| 05:49.31 | schue | dpblnt: you can probably do your taxes, see some movies and jerk yourself off before the gentoo dupe finished ebuilding everything under the sun. |
| 05:49.31 | nemo | cafuego: hmmmmm, nah :) |
| 05:49.35 | Guerin | the big deal with gentoo isn't optimisation flags, it's USE flags |
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| 05:49.44 | cafuego | mwilson-pb: No, I don't have to dress up in a latex vader uniform ;-) |
| 05:49.45 | nemo | cafuego: as pennance, answer my nfs query |
| 05:49.46 | spdf | Jeezus, There's 13 showings of Star Wars on Thursday at the theatre by my house.. |
| 05:49.53 | cafuego | nemo: ugidd |
| 05:49.59 | maher | dpblnt: so you're complaining about a bug which is fixed in experimental? |
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| 05:50.09 | cafuego | nemo: What's the nfs issue? |
| 05:50.12 | nemo | cafuego: close, but no cookie |
| 05:50.20 | Caramel | whats the easiest way to unzip a file ? |
| 05:50.26 | spdf | Caramel, unzip |
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| 05:50.40 | golanz | "... and god said: unzip universo.zip" |
| 05:50.40 | Caramel | unzip: command not found |
| 05:50.47 | spdf | Caramel, So install it. |
| 05:50.51 | cafuego | Caramel: apt-get instal unzip; unzip file |
| 05:50.52 | nemo | cafuego: which is better... userspace server, or kernel? |
| 05:51.02 | cafuego | nemo: uh |
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| 05:51.02 | srbaker | yo |
| 05:51.05 | srbaker | anyone here from Victoria, BC? |
| 05:51.06 | dpblnt | schue, in 2 days i have gentoo up and running, on a 2.6ghz p4 |
| 05:51.12 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know where I can find instructions on how to patch kernel so I can use a bootsplash? |
| 05:51.18 | Caramel | did not know it was not installed by default. |
| 05:51.23 | TwistedEmotions | !bootsplash |
| 05:51.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf |
| 05:51.26 | rob_supper | srbaker, Winterpeg, MB |
| 05:51.34 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 05:51.36 | cafuego | nemo: the kernel one is faster and more featureful... but the user one allows static uid/gid mapping (which I need for OSX, for instance) |
| 05:51.41 | maher | gentoo installs stories always crack me up |
| 05:51.42 | PrideF | dpblnt, in 20 minutes, I have sarge up an running on a p2 :P |
| 05:51.42 | spdf | dpblnt, from stage 1? |
| 05:51.42 | nemo | cafuego: the kernel-server info says the userspace one is more featurefull |
| 05:51.45 | schue | dpblnt: i can have debian up and running in 40 minutes. |
| 05:51.47 | cafuego | nemo: On an all-linux network, go kernel space. |
| 05:51.51 | nemo | the usersopace server info says it's more awkward. |
| 05:51.55 | Guerin | PrideF: over a network |
| 05:52.14 | nemo | they both agree the kernel space is faster... :) |
| 05:52.14 | schue | dpblnt: and, i believe, you could probably do your taxes, see some movies and jerk yourself off quite handily over the period of two days. |
| 05:52.17 | PrideF | Guerin, over a modem...a slow one ;) |
| 05:52.18 | dpblnt | maher, yes, and looking at apt-build's bugclearing speed also searcing for an alternative for it, but there can't be, if you people do not agree with apt-build's philosophy. |
| 05:52.19 | nemo | cafuego: coolies. :) |
| 05:52.25 | cafuego | nemo: *nod* |
| 05:52.28 | Guerin | PrideF: well, that's going a bit far :) |
| 05:52.37 | PrideF | just a bit .... |
| 05:52.43 | TwistedEmotions | Why is it that Debian is the only dirsto that doesnt support boot splash? |
| 05:52.46 | nemo | it's only exporting nfs for one machine, but yes, that will be linux. it's exporting alot of everything via smb for the rest of thenetwork |
| 05:52.52 | maher | dpblnt: who cares what people here think? if someone wants to maintain something in the archive it will be there |
| 05:52.54 | Guerin | dpblnt: no demand = nobody cares if it's not done |
| 05:52.57 | dpblnt | PrideF, i know that, i don't want a fast and easy install, i want i fast system running. |
| 05:53.04 | PrideF | TwistedEmotions, just install it...I did |
| 05:53.05 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: It's because debian isn't meant to be booted twenty times a day. |
| 05:53.12 | PrideF | it isn't hard, and you may just learn something |
| 05:53.12 | Gnea | http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.332369,-121.901100&spn=0.007596,0.010107&t=k&hl=en <--- HEH |
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| 05:53.16 | Guerin | dpblnt: did maher not tell you the bug is fixed in experimental? |
| 05:53.17 | TwistedEmotions | cafuego: Ohh... kk |
| 05:53.23 | mwilson-pb | Because bootsplash is a pretty much useless thing. |
| 05:53.27 | maher | Guerin: no dpblnt told me that |
| 05:53.29 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: The idea is that you boot it which takes 20 seconds, and then leave it on for however many years. |
| 05:53.33 | TwistedEmotions | PrideF: but your kernel is patched right? |
| 05:53.43 | Guerin | maher: oh, ok. |
| 05:53.58 | Guerin | so can someone remind me why he's still whining? |
| 05:54.02 | PrideF | sure, but I compile my own kernels anyway. Is that bad for you? |
| 05:54.13 | mwilson-pb | Guerin: dpblnt or TwistedEmotions ? |
| 05:54.14 | spdf | PrideF, anything'll give you cancer these days.. |
| 05:54.19 | dpblnt | Guerin, , no, i installed the experimental package 2 days ago. |
| 05:54.21 | PrideF | hahaha |
| 05:54.25 | PrideF | testicular |
| 05:54.26 | Guerin | mwilson-pb: oh, i know why TwistedEmotions is whining. |
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| 05:54.38 | cafuego | nemo: *nod* Yeah... I have samba running for windoze clients, but all linux boxesuse nfs. I used to have ugidd and kernel-space nfs, but macosx doesn't have ugidd, so i needed the usersspace for the uid mapping. |
| 05:54.43 | TwistedEmotions | cafuego: I'm use to windows... so I feel like I need to reboot... plus save electricity.. |
| 05:54.49 | Guerin | dpblnt: and it still doesn't work right? |
| 05:54.52 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Why is that? |
| 05:54.59 | dpblnt | Guerin, not for me. |
| 05:55.03 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: because you have two modes: whining and trolling. |
| 05:55.10 | maher | dpblnt: the exerimental one? |
| 05:55.14 | Guerin | dpblnt: have you tried hacking on the script itself? |
| 05:55.18 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: Saving electricity? Do that by booting with 'quiet', so it boots fatser and with the screen using less power. |
| 05:55.34 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: you only have one mode... shut up. |
| 05:55.40 | spdf | Buuuurn! |
| 05:55.43 | jetdotnet | ooo.... |
| 05:55.50 | jetdotnet | kill him jim, kil him jim |
| 05:55.56 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: it typically costs more in electricity to boot a machine than to leave it running for 12 hours idle. |
| 05:55.57 | dpblnt | maher, yes, not that, not the ones before. |
| 05:55.57 | spdf | You can do it! |
| 05:56.02 | TwistedEmotions | cafuego: true... but just perwer a boot. |
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| 05:56.05 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: nope, I don't have that mode at all. |
| 05:56.12 | dpblnt | Guerin, no |
| 05:56.17 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Heh? |
| 05:56.17 | nemo | cafuego: hmm... you can uid map in kernel-space server too, I'm sure I've done that before |
| 05:56.24 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: hell no... |
| 05:56.25 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: It all adds up if you reboot twenty times a day. |
| 05:56.31 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: that's impossible.. |
| 05:56.32 | maher | dpblnt: so the apt-build in experimental works but not the one in unstable? |
| 05:56.48 | cafuego | nemo: the kernel server goes poo if you have a map_static in the exports file. |
| 05:56.56 | starscalling | hmm |
| 05:57.00 | jetdotnet | !lart TwistedEmotions |
| 05:57.01 | starscalling | what is this clamav? |
| 05:57.08 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: why? monitor is a big hunk of your power usage, unless you have an lcd. Other things are fans etc. |
| 05:57.08 | jetdotnet | antivirus |
| 05:57.26 | dpblnt | maher, no, none of them work for me, i mean they do some things, but compiling dyncpu gcc is ont called with the arguments in apt-build.conf |
| 05:57.35 | nemo | hmm... I'm positive I've had a nfs ekrnel server do uid mapping before |
| 05:57.39 | TwistedEmotions | cafuego: I normally reboot like 4 times a day and turn off at night... have a VPN for things I need to do overnight.. |
| 05:57.41 | jetdotnet | typing costs electricity, stop it now |
| 05:57.45 | nemo | years ago, admittedly... it could have been broken since then |
| 05:57.48 | cafuego | nemo: I shall have a google later on :-) |
| 05:58.06 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: yeah... I use CRT... but I mean idle computer still uses hella power. |
| 05:58.14 | jetdotnet | lies |
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| 05:58.19 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: I just turn off the screens at night and leave it all running. |
| 05:58.24 | Guerin | not if you turn monitor off and have power management to control fans, etc. |
| 05:58.34 | Guerin | my screens turn themselves off |
| 05:58.42 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: My AMD64 turns off all fans if it's not hot. |
| 05:58.55 | Guerin | everything else is trivial compared to, say, leaving the bathroom light on. |
| 05:59.06 | jetdotnet | i have a 250 dollar light bill anyway so wtf do i care about a widdle biddy fan |
| 05:59.08 | Guerin | or owning incandescent security lamps |
| 05:59.28 | maher | dpblnt: we're talking a 30k shell script here - it'll be a one line fix... |
| 05:59.29 | TwistedEmotions | I dont know... just perfer it off if not using it.. |
| 05:59.38 | cafuego | yeah, I'd like to get rid of those, but then, people like breaking in in this neighbourhood. |
| 05:59.41 | TwistedEmotions | plus what's the damage in a bootsplash.. |
| 05:59.42 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 05:59.46 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: that's fine; just don't pretend like you have a real reason. |
| 05:59.47 | cafuego | !fuck junkies |
| 05:59.48 | jetdotnet | btw it's the on/off that kills the computer |
| 05:59.52 | nemo | cafuego: just found the server I had uid mapping on... it was userspace... my bad. (that was linux-to-linux too, but I had no control over teh mounting machines UIDs :( |
| 05:59.57 | Guerin | cafuego: heh |
| 06:00.14 | spdf | That one's pretty explicit.. |
| 06:00.19 | cafuego | Guerin: if only it _was_ funny |
| 06:00.24 | jetdotnet | all the fuck factoids are |
| 06:00.30 | Guerin | cafuego: oh, i feel your pain. |
| 06:00.35 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Have a read reason to what? I dont use it at night so I turn it off is all.. |
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| 06:00.42 | jetdotnet | !literal fuck |
| 06:00.42 | dpkg | fuck is a wonderful, versitile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 06:00.44 | Guerin | or i did, anyway, when I lived in Ghuznee Street |
| 06:00.51 | jetdotnet | dammit it's that cmd stuff |
| 06:01.01 | cafuego | !literal cmd: fuck (.*?) |
| 06:01.02 | dpkg | CMD: fuck (.*?) is ($1): <action> fucks $1 ((gently|roughly|vigorously|lovingly|slowly), |)like a (porn star|(crazed |)(weasel|badger|bunny)(| in heat))(, (from behind|doggy-style)| with a ((glass |pink |rubber |giant |)dildo|(Hitachi |)vibrator))(|, and comes (softly|loudly)) |
| 06:01.07 | jetdotnet | ahh |
| 06:01.07 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: that's my point: you think that's a reason, but it's not. |
| 06:01.13 | jetdotnet | never can remember that syntax |
| 06:01.29 | dpblnt | maher, yes, if you know what the problem is. |
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| 06:02.13 | cafuego | dpkg: cmd: fuck (.*?) =~ s/comes/(comes|moans|pants)/ |
| 06:02.13 | dpkg | OK, cafuego |
| 06:02.43 | jetdotnet | \o/ |
| 06:02.51 | maher | dpblnt: /usr/share/doc/apt-build/README.Debian <-- did you read this |
| 06:03.09 | dpblnt | maher, yes, more than once. |
| 06:03.14 | TwistedEmotions | Wow.. shitload of work to get a bootsplash running.. |
| 06:03.19 | TwistedEmotions | fuck it. |
| 06:03.30 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: we _told_ you it was useless |
| 06:03.34 | jetdotnet | and we needed to know this because... |
| 06:03.39 | jetdotnet | yeah i remember that |
| 06:03.49 | jetdotnet | we told you so we told you so |
| 06:03.53 | TwistedEmotions | cafuego: ...and now I agree. |
| 06:03.58 | cafuego | bootsplash is like gentoo |
| 06:04.00 | jetdotnet | haha we told you so |
| 06:04.11 | maher | dpblnt: so you checked with ps aux? |
| 06:04.13 | Guerin | that's cool, though |
| 06:04.26 | TwistedEmotions | jetdotnet: Did you tell me? |
| 06:04.29 | Guerin | finding out how stupid things really are stupid for oneself is valuable |
| 06:04.42 | jetdotnet | no, but i jumped on the bandwagon since i watched them tell you |
| 06:04.48 | jetdotnet | hope you don't mind |
| 06:04.49 | nemo | TwistedEmotions: there is a grub-splashimages package... I assume grub will give you a splash at that level of boot if you want that kinda thing, I assume this is more or less a simple solution too |
| 06:04.50 | TwistedEmotions | jetdotnet: haha... |
| 06:05.07 | dpblnt | maher, no |
| 06:05.11 | jetdotnet | you can edit the lilo bump too |
| 06:05.16 | TwistedEmotions | nemo: grub doesnt work.. |
| 06:05.16 | jetdotnet | i inverted mine |
| 06:05.26 | jetdotnet | grub does work, but it's a pita imo |
| 06:05.29 | jetdotnet | to conf |
| 06:05.29 | maher | dpblnt: run apt-build to build something - run ps auxw | grep gcc while it is going |
| 06:05.32 | TwistedEmotions | jetdotnet: I dont even have a penguin ;P |
| 06:05.35 | nemo | I've not used splash's on either grub *or* lilo, so can't comment |
| 06:05.45 | jetdotnet | i have nvidia, so no penguin anyway |
| 06:06.00 | jetdotnet | no i edited the boot menu |
| 06:06.01 | TwistedEmotions | I dont see the lilo bump either.. |
| 06:06.09 | TwistedEmotions | jetdotnet: did that already.. |
| 06:06.18 | nemo | the last time I had a splashscreen on a linux box was when I was booting from loadlin, from a win95 system reduced to the bare miminum required to boot to dos... |
| 06:06.20 | jetdotnet | put a new picture |
| 06:06.32 | dpblnt | maher, i'll do |
| 06:06.32 | TwistedEmotions | just wanted it to stay on all the way through boot.. the picture I mean... but wont. |
| 06:06.36 | jetdotnet | woody does bootsplash well |
| 06:07.11 | hayden | what is the latest stable version of debian called? |
| 06:07.17 | TwistedEmotions | jetdotnet: and I'm go back to woody just to bootsplash.. |
| 06:07.18 | Guerin | woody |
| 06:07.28 | jetdotnet | but don't install it |
| 06:07.28 | Guerin | hayden: ^^ |
| 06:07.31 | jetdotnet | install sarge |
| 06:07.37 | hayden | why not :? |
| 06:07.40 | hayden | ok |
| 06:07.43 | TwistedEmotions | hayden: It is woody.. but in like a few days will be sarge. |
| 06:07.48 | jetdotnet | if it's for a desktop don't do woody |
| 06:07.48 | Guerin | it's old, and sarge is about to be released. |
| 06:07.50 | hayden | thats what i got installed |
| 06:07.53 | hayden | ok |
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| 06:08.06 | calljair | helo guys, |
| 06:08.11 | Guerin | s/few days/random number of weeks/ |
| 06:08.13 | TwistedEmotions | hayden: Run testing.. which right now is sarge.. |
| 06:08.18 | calljair | I know is a way to find channels on the irc |
| 06:08.19 | hayden | is sarge == 3.0r3? |
| 06:08.23 | calljair | which one is the command |
| 06:08.25 | calljair | ? |
| 06:08.26 | chealer | !sarge |
| 06:08.26 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
| 06:08.27 | jetdotnet | sarge will be released by xmas 2006 |
| 06:08.30 | Guerin | hayden: sarge will be 3.1 |
| 06:08.42 | jetdotnet | i swear! |
| 06:08.43 | Guerin | calljair: /list |
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| 06:08.51 | TwistedEmotions | !tell calljair woody->sarge? |
| 06:08.51 | calljair | Guerin: thank you |
| 06:08.52 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 06:09.02 | jetdotnet | ? yes |
| 06:09.03 | calljair | TwistedEmotions: srage |
| 06:09.03 | hayden | which of these is sarge -> http://debian.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/images/ |
| 06:09.05 | calljair | sarge |
| 06:09.06 | Guerin | !tell TwistedEmotions about about |
| 06:09.12 | calljair | got it thanks |
| 06:09.14 | jetdotnet | tell hayden about d-i |
| 06:09.31 | TwistedEmotions | !tell calljair about woody->sarge |
| 06:09.32 | jetdotnet | !tell hayden about d-i |
| 06:09.35 | jetdotnet | oops |
| 06:09.35 | TwistedEmotions | there |
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| 06:09.41 | TwistedEmotions | right? |
| 06:09.48 | TwistedEmotions | yeah.. worked. |
| 06:09.51 | jetdotnet | look in your dpkg window |
| 06:09.54 | jetdotnet | ah |
| 06:10.11 | starscalling | OMFG |
| 06:10.13 | starscalling | DAMMIT |
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| 06:10.23 | starscalling | this looks so dam confusing >< |
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| 06:10.37 | hayden | yep |
| 06:10.41 | hayden | thanks |
| 06:10.42 | TwistedEmotions | Sorry... though we were moving to anarchy |
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| 06:11.05 | TwistedEmotions | starscalling: What looks confusing? |
| 06:11.43 | Guerin | attack of the killah ADHD kiddies |
| 06:11.45 | TwistedEmotions | starscalling: Just apt-get install it... if apt doesnt do it.. dont bother.. too much work |
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| 06:12.00 | jetdotnet | adult blahblah kiddies? |
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| 06:12.09 | Guerin | jetdotnet: no |
| 06:12.11 | starscalling | i did install it |
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| 06:12.22 | TwistedEmotions | starscalling: then your done. |
| 06:12.23 | starscalling | im trying to figure out how to run it right so it makes a log :/ |
| 06:12.34 | Guerin | !your |
| 06:12.34 | dpkg | methinks your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 06:12.43 | jetdotnet | !ur |
| 06:12.43 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 06:12.47 | jetdotnet | ur rox |
| 06:12.52 | jetdotnet | see also mu |
| 06:12.54 | jetdotnet | !mu |
| 06:12.55 | dpkg | When asked by a monk if a dog had Buddha Nature, Joshu said "Mu." |
| 06:13.13 | starscalling | TwistedEmotions, can the thing also record how much bandwidth was actually used instead of just speeds? |
| 06:13.30 | jetdotnet | dammit, mu was a country/continent also |
| 06:13.37 | starscalling | ive tried a few things to no avail and i really need to find one that works for my server so i dont go over on my usage |
| 06:13.41 | TwistedEmotions | No.. I mean your done as in the done belonged to him. |
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| 06:13.54 | starscalling | for some reason my ifconfig rolls over every few gb |
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| 06:14.26 | TwistedEmotions | starscalling: 1) Dont know what your talking about. 2) Chances are I dont know how to fix it.. just got the !tell command working. |
| 06:14.50 | starscalling | o.O |
| 06:14.52 | Guerin | starscalling: just a little hint: TwistedEmotions is marginally more clueless even than you. |
| 06:14.57 | starscalling | wow |
| 06:14.59 | TwistedEmotions | So unless your trying to go from woody to sarge I cant helo. |
| 06:15.01 | starscalling | im fucked then :P |
| 06:15.11 | starscalling | jk TwistedEmotions :P |
| 06:15.26 | TwistedEmotions | starscalling: And guerin is marginally less clueless then me... |
| 06:15.32 | TwistedEmotions | your really screwed. |
| 06:15.34 | starscalling | haha |
| 06:15.38 | Guerin | when you? |
| 06:16.01 | starscalling | well does anyone know how to set language as other than utf-8 ? |
| 06:16.07 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: your more useless because you KNOW and you dont help.. hahaha |
| 06:16.12 | starscalling | what is normal usa language :P |
| 06:16.28 | Guerin | hell no |
| 06:16.28 | tracy | hi,everyone |
| 06:16.35 | TwistedEmotions | starscalling: english. |
| 06:16.41 | Guerin | i'm much more useful because I don't know, and I stay quiet |
| 06:17.09 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Ohh.. then this room sucks at helping people... were the only ones talking. |
| 06:17.18 | starscalling | there is more to it than that TwistedEmotions |
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| 06:17.27 | TwistedEmotions | tracy: hi ;) |
| 06:17.43 | Guerin | starscalling: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 06:17.47 | starscalling | its something to do with locales or something and mrtg is bitching and i have no clue how to fix |
| 06:17.51 | TwistedEmotions | starscalling: Your right.. we had a piss contest yesterday. |
| 06:17.57 | starscalling | ahh let me try that Guerin |
| 06:18.01 | TwistedEmotions | I dont know who won, |
| 06:18.36 | starscalling | did you get what you needed fixed? |
| 06:18.45 | starscalling | i got banned last time i had a good argument lol |
| 06:18.48 | TwistedEmotions | starscalling: Who? |
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| 06:18.51 | KerPlunk | If I'm using sarge...How can I get the latest firefox..with all those security updates...and there is a new gaim exploit...how can I get gaim 1.3.0? |
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| 06:19.07 | Guerin | !test |
| 06:19.07 | dpkg | No, guerin, you're not online any more. |
| 06:19.25 | starscalling | [*] en_US ISO-8859-1 ▒ │ |
| 06:19.25 | starscalling | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.25 | starscalling | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.28 | TwistedEmotions | KerPlunk: change your sources file to unstable and update GAIM and Firefox then switch back. |
| 06:19.44 | starscalling | interesting |
| 06:19.56 | TwistedEmotions | starscalling: What the hell is that? |
| 06:19.56 | starscalling | why would it not notice that i was using the iso-8859-1 ? |
| 06:20.06 | starscalling | that is the locales settings :P |
| 06:20.12 | starscalling | for languages etc |
| 06:20.13 | Guerin | you might have more than one locale |
| 06:20.20 | Guerin | in fact, you do |
| 06:20.29 | starscalling | yeah i have more than one set |
| 06:20.30 | directhex | !tell KerPlunk about security backports |
| 06:20.31 | TwistedEmotions | starscalling: Hm.. try running apt-get install isp-8859... <-- Dont listen.. trying to act smart. |
| 06:20.31 | Guerin | but you can only use one at a time |
| 06:20.34 | starscalling | apparently |
| 06:20.43 | starscalling | oh i see |
| 06:20.53 | starscalling | do i need to restart to reset if i deselect one of em? |
| 06:20.54 | challenged | if i need to update to alsa 0.9 how would i best do it for sarge? |
| 06:21.00 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: just don't fucking bother. Someone should +q you until you get a fucking clue. |
| 06:21.03 | starscalling | and are there things that only run in utf ? |
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| 06:21.09 | jair_11 | hello guys |
| 06:21.14 | Guerin | challenged: sarge has alsa >0.9 |
| 06:21.22 | Guerin | starscalling: no |
| 06:21.25 | TwistedEmotions | What is +q? someone should +m me.. |
| 06:21.28 | starscalling | hmm |
| 06:21.28 | jair_11 | hello I am trying to figure out what is the problem with my laptop and the acpi |
| 06:21.31 | starscalling | then i dont need it huh |
| 06:21.50 | schue | great document... |
| 06:21.53 | schue | http://www.open-organizations.org/view/Socialtools/RaidLvmHowto |
| 06:21.54 | jair_11 | the computer do not turn off completely when I run the halt or shutdown -h now commands |
| 06:21.56 | Guerin | ñ |
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| 06:22.13 | Guerin | if you can read that, you should be using utf-8 |
| 06:22.24 | Guerin | then again, if you can't, you might still be using it |
| 06:22.24 | chealer | directhex: does that apply to KerPlunk's case? |
| 06:22.28 | starscalling | oh god |
| 06:22.29 | starscalling | its still fucked |
| 06:22.30 | TwistedEmotions | init 0? |
| 06:22.43 | challenged | guerin: hmm you sure i dont have snd-azx |
| 06:22.51 | KerPlunk | !start a distro war |
| 06:22.51 | dpkg | Gentoo is stupid! |
| 06:23.04 | starscalling | anyone mind looking in #flood for a moment? |
| 06:23.24 | TwistedEmotions | starscalling: I'm there... lets do this. |
| 06:23.31 | Guerin | challenged: give me the output of COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |grep -e 'alsa|libc6' |
| 06:23.34 | challenged | hmm although im getting mixed stories...some say my card is intel8x0 some say snd-azx |
| 06:23.37 | starscalling | heh |
| 06:23.42 | Guerin | challenged: on a website, not in channel |
| 06:23.47 | tracy | why i can't see the kernel document in the directory /usr/src |
| 06:23.59 | Guerin | tracy: eyes open? |
| 06:24.20 | tracy | what's eyes ? |
| 06:24.25 | jair_11 | anyone have an IBM laptop using sarge??? |
| 06:24.36 | Guerin | those things in the front of your head, which enable you to see |
| 06:24.38 | challenged | pipe libc showed nothing |
| 06:24.48 | Guerin | tracy: i guess because it's not there. but without more information, it's just a... |
| 06:24.51 | Guerin | !guess |
| 06:24.51 | dpkg | i heard guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 06:25.09 | Guerin | jair_11: /msg dpkg anyone use |
| 06:25.35 | challenged | just alsa shows base header & utils all at 1.0.8-7 |
| 06:25.37 | Guerin | challenged: that command yielded no output? |
| 06:25.49 | jair_11 | Guerin, I am trying to find the way of use the acpi good to turn off the centrino and battery of the system I have |
| 06:25.56 | Guerin | challenged: that sounds like sarge. |
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| 06:26.14 | Guerin | jair_11: i can't help you, I'm shit with acpi and never bother with it. |
| 06:26.17 | challenged | Guerin, it is sarge....i said that hehe |
| 06:26.17 | jair_11 | Guerin, I have a laptop R51 and it did not turn off complete when I run commands like halt |
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| 06:26.26 | jair_11 | Guerin, ok |
| 06:26.28 | jair_11 | thanks |
| 06:26.42 | Guerin | jair_11: you may need some kernel modules - you WILL need apm modules removed from your kernel. |
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| 06:27.04 | Guerin | challenged: what does lspci say about your card? |
| 06:27.08 | jair_11 | Guerin, hmmm |
| 06:27.08 | challenged | Guerin, im running sarge and need alsa 0.9 |
| 06:27.16 | jair_11 | how should do that? |
| 06:27.19 | challenged | Guerin, ich6 intel advanced |
| 06:27.29 | challenged | require 0.9 or higher apparently |
| 06:27.30 | jair_11 | I know is a command that let me remove and add those but don't remember |
| 06:27.31 | Guerin | challenged: bullshit. |
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| 06:27.36 | jair_11 | Guerin, I know is a command that let me remove and add those but don't remember |
| 06:27.49 | Guerin | jair_11: man modprobe; man modconf |
| 06:27.52 | challenged | Guerin, just what i read on some pages |
| 06:27.57 | jair_11 | right |
| 06:28.00 | jair_11 | Guerin, right |
| 06:28.01 | pepsi_ | I'm looking for a _simple_ ftp-server that allows anonemous uploads in a somewhat secure way. What do you recommend? |
| 06:28.02 | jair_11 | let me see |
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| 06:28.05 | Guerin | challenged: no, that's not a lspci string. |
| 06:28.17 | Guerin | pepsi_: no such thing. |
| 06:28.29 | Guerin | pepsi_: vsftpd can do it, and is relatively simple. |
| 06:28.33 | pepsi_ | Guerin: ok then, the simplest :) |
| 06:28.35 | pepsi_ | Guerin: thx |
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| 06:28.45 | Guerin | pepsi_: the simplest is oftpd - but it doesn't allow uploads |
| 06:28.56 | challenged | Guerin, 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 06:29.08 | pepsi_ | Guerin: ah :) hehe I'll have a look at vsftp |
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| 06:29.11 | pepsi_ | Guerin: thx again |
| 06:29.43 | Guerin | that is in fact a snd-intel8x0 |
| 06:29.44 | Agrajag- | can anyone recommend something decent for backing up stuff to another hdd? (possibly over nfs) |
| 06:29.48 | Agrajag- | where 'stuff' is Maildir's |
| 06:29.50 | Guerin | Agrajag-: rsnapshot |
| 06:29.53 | TwistedEmotions | hahhahahah ! 1bid on my ebay sale... 99.99! |
| 06:30.01 | Agrajag- | Guerin: ta, i'll have a look |
| 06:30.27 | challenged | Guerin, hmm well alsaconf doesn't pick it up automatically...anything i should do specifically for it as atm /dev/dsp isnt working |
| 06:30.40 | jair_11 | apm modules I did not see them there |
| 06:30.44 | tracy | how can i open *.rar documents in debian |
| 06:30.44 | jair_11 | Guerin, apm modules I did not see them there |
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| 06:30.56 | Guerin | tracy: unrar or unrar-nonfree |
| 06:31.01 | jair_11 | Guerin, I saw the acpi modules, fan, thermal, etc.. |
| 06:31.09 | jair_11 | Guerin, but not any apm |
| 06:31.11 | Guerin | jair_11: beats me then. |
| 06:31.26 | jair_11 | I have the logs of the /var/log/ |
| 06:31.27 | Guerin | jair_11: you've reached the outer limits of my acpi sk1lz |
| 06:31.36 | jair_11 | Guerin, it is ok |
| 06:31.42 | jair_11 | thank you though |
| 06:31.52 | TwistedEmotions | tracy: Install unrar and gentoo... will give you a GUI. |
| 06:31.54 | Guerin | challenged: make sure you have no sound modules loaded, then modprobe snd-intel8x0 snd-pcm-oss |
| 06:32.42 | tracy | OK |
| 06:32.55 | TwistedEmotions | tracy: Torrents? |
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| 06:33.42 | challenged | cool ill do a quick reboot to make sure im clear of mods |
| 06:33.56 | starscalling | dam |
| 06:34.05 | starscalling | well i am running sshd >< |
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| 06:34.39 | tracy | sorry,what's Torrents |
| 06:35.00 | TwistedEmotions | tracy: all good.. forget it... just wondering what you were using .rar files for.. |
| 06:35.14 | TwistedEmotions | See.. there ARE people who use .rar files for legal things... |
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| 06:35.52 | Guerin | bullshit |
| 06:36.05 | starscalling | oh christ |
| 06:36.07 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: she didnt know what a torrent was... |
| 06:36.17 | suzzi | ok I know this isnt really a debian question but I'm setting up a server for a freind and I keep getting 'disk i/o error' at boot. I can boot off a net-install CD using rescue just fine, the drive is all set up and I've run lilo a few times to check and see if that was the issue... what could I be missing? |
| 06:36.20 | starscalling | i just dont understand why its got to be so dam complicated |
| 06:36.21 | starscalling | bbiab |
| 06:36.25 | starscalling | let me try logging off and in |
| 06:36.48 | TwistedEmotions | himself |
| 06:36.58 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: because torrents are the only illegal place you might find rars |
| 06:37.15 | denial | can anyone tell me how the $PATH variable is set for launcher icons in gnome? I've tried putting . ~/.bash_profile in .xsession, but then my xsession crashes |
| 06:37.23 | directhex | Guerin, actually, warez of all types have been rar based since time immemorial |
| 06:37.43 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Nowadays... yeah.. kinda... I mean 90% of all other means have been killed. |
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| 06:37.50 | Guerin | directhex: exactly. |
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| 06:38.11 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Or at least ones who use rar files.. no one searches for .rar files using kazaa. |
| 06:38.22 | Guerin | because you'd know |
| 06:38.30 | TwistedEmotions | yeah. |
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| 06:42.42 | Guerin | chealer: people like to be 1337 |
| 06:43.21 | bucky | there are 45 proud users in #kanotix |
| 06:43.46 | chealer | Guerin: and I thought Gentoo was unsurpassed |
| 06:43.48 | Guerin | bless 'em |
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| 06:45.24 | TwistedEmotions | How come everyone have Gentoo so much here? |
| 06:45.39 | Guerin | we don't have any gentoo, mostly |
| 06:45.39 | TwistedEmotions | Is it microsoft of linux? |
| 06:45.45 | bucky | TwistedEmotions, like you? |
| 06:45.56 | TwistedEmotions | **hate |
| 06:46.02 | TwistedEmotions | Whoops. |
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| 06:46.20 | Guerin | i don't hate gentoo... i pity its users. |
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| 06:46.29 | Guerin | anyway |
| 06:46.36 | Guerin | worky time for I and I |
| 06:46.45 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: later man. |
| 06:46.56 | chealer | Guerin: or its trolls, if there's any difference :) |
| 06:48.38 | directhex | chealer, i noticed this myself. and speak a bad word about it, a user demands you speak to their asshat of a maintainer yourself, so he can tell you why he's great |
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| 06:49.35 | directhex | i have spoken to kano as it happens. he disagrees with package management, and claims scripts which indiscriminantly overwrite dpkg-managed files are far superior ¬_¬ |
| 06:50.08 | chealer | directhex: hum, I'm still trying to parse your first message :) |
| 06:50.23 | chealer | are you talking about gentoo or what? |
| 06:50.23 | challenged | Guerin, ok rebooted and modprobed snd-inte8x0 snd-pcm-oss. |
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| 06:50.57 | directhex | chealer, kanotix |
| 06:51.06 | Jamsi | Anyone know any guides to setting up VPN services on a debian machine? |
| 06:51.14 | nipplesrulz | fuck |
| 06:51.52 | nipplesrulz | someone please tell me there is something other than mrtg and webmin to log bandwidth usage,, i mean how much MB/GN/TB have been transfered please >< |
| 06:51.55 | chealer | directhex: ah, you mean there's only 1 kanotix maintainer? |
| 06:52.22 | jm_ | yes, there are many tools to measure that |
| 06:52.28 | directhex | chealer, correct |
| 06:53.12 | chealer | directhex: ok...that doesn't look like good policy indeed |
| 06:53.17 | Jamsi | nipplesrulz, try a program caleld Bandwidthd |
| 06:53.29 | directhex | chealer, kanotix is bootable sid, with some pre-selected packages, about four non-debian packages, and some asshat configurations. plus a large selection of handy dpkg-damaging scripts to install things like nvidia-glx, which can't be installed any other way |
| 06:53.33 | nipplesrulz | Bandwidthd ? |
| 06:53.57 | directhex | chealer, asshat configurations meaning sources.list contains sid, sarge AND woody, with sid by default |
| 06:54.29 | chealer | directhex: one #debian-kde guy seems to like it for KDE 3.4, X.org and AMD64, IIRC |
| 06:54.33 | Agrajag- | nipplesrulz: i've used ipac-ng, it's ok |
| 06:54.43 | nipplesrulz | jamsi couldnt find bandwidthd or bandwidth |
| 06:54.50 | nipplesrulz | ipac-ng? let me try |
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| 06:54.57 | jm_ | nipplesrulz: or munin |
| 06:55.01 | chealer | the troll's trio |
| 06:55.12 | fusion | Hello, I finally got my printer to work in Linux and I have tried asking in #samba but the people don't appear to be awake or they're away so I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I am trying to share a printer - But my only choice is lp0 but I have an epson printer set up in CUPS, is there any way I can share it? |
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| 06:55.30 | jm_ | fusion: share it with whom? |
| 06:55.34 | Jamsi | nipplesrulz, its not a package thats apt-getable. Search google for it and download the source. Its a really handy program, it logs bandwidth thats been used from multiple hosts |
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| 06:55.53 | fusion | jm_ on a Samba server with windows machines |
| 06:55.56 | Jamsi | So you can tell which local host has been using the most bandwidth. |
| 06:55.59 | challenged | Guerin, /dev/dsp not accesible still....guess i need to do the group adds etc? |
| 06:55.59 | jm_ | fusion: what kind of windows machines? |
| 06:56.01 | nipplesrulz | man it keeps yelling me about clamav-daemon >< |
| 06:56.11 | fusion | jm_: XP Pro (laptops) |
| 06:56.14 | bucky | there's a deb at sourceforge for bandwidthd |
| 06:56.16 | Agrajag- | nipplesrulz: ipac-ng does a similar thing. makes nice graphs too |
| 06:56.18 | directhex | chealer, the one guy behind kanotix actively argues against kernel-images, nvidia-glx, and, well, "packages" in general. i wouldn't trust a debian derrivative with someone like that at the helm |
| 06:56.30 | jm_ | fusion: windows XP can print to CUPS fine, no need to have samba installed |
| 06:56.38 | challenged | mc |
| 06:56.41 | challenged | mis |
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| 06:56.48 | chealer | directhex: you mean he wants everyone to compile :? |
| 06:56.53 | fusion | jm_ but what I wanted was for windows to use the epson windows drivers - is that possible? |
| 06:56.55 | chealer | the kernl |
| 06:57.26 | directhex | chealer, nope. "scripts" for everything |
| 06:57.32 | pureone | darkstat is ok |
| 06:57.32 | nipplesrulz | how do i access the graphs Agrajag- ? |
| 06:58.20 | fusion | jm_ I use samba anyway for file sharing |
| 06:58.43 | jm_ | fusion: yes, should be no problem |
| 06:59.02 | fusion | Oh.. Um I don't understand what path it would be though |
| 06:59.05 | chealer | directhex: ugh, since I may go to sleep soon, I'll refrain from asking you how scripts would hell. I do nightmares sometimes |
| 06:59.15 | jm_ | fusion: did you read CUPS documentation? Namely 7 - Printing with Other Systems -> Printing from Windows Clients |
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| 06:59.26 | Agrajag- | nipplesrulz: however you like - it just creates pngs - you can put them on a webserver or whatever you like |
| 06:59.28 | chealer | directhex: anyway, you sound like the ideal write of !why not kanotix :) |
| 06:59.32 | fusion | Ah.. no I haven't read very deep into it |
| 06:59.42 | chealer | s/write/writer |
| 06:59.43 | fusion | I'll have a look thanks jm_ |
| 07:00.09 | starscalling | o.O |
| 07:00.12 | jm_ | it would be \\computer\foo |
| 07:00.16 | chealer | directhex: I'm convinced for one |
| 07:00.31 | directhex | chealer, the install-nvidia scrpt downloads the latest nvidia-installer from nvidia.com, extracts the files, and overwrites all the existing ones (from x-related packages) with the extracted files. why you can't just run nvidia-installer itself to do this, i've no idea |
| 07:00.33 | starscalling | Agrajag-, where do i look for said png's ? |
| 07:00.41 | starscalling | remember im a total lame ok? >< |
| 07:00.43 | fusion | jm_ Yeah I thought it would be like that but wouldnt that conflict with Samba |
| 07:00.53 | jm_ | fusion: why would it? |
| 07:01.05 | Agrajag- | starscalling: eh? you setup and run ipac-ng as per documentation. it creates pngs |
| 07:01.09 | fusion | jm_ I just thought, because Samba uses \\computer\foo too |
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| 07:02.04 | jm_ | fusion: also read this: http://us2.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/printing.html |
| 07:02.19 | directhex | off to work \o/ |
| 07:02.22 | chealer | directhex: I already have a very low appreciation of kanotix :) |
| 07:02.24 | starscalling | seems to have no manual Agrajag- |
| 07:02.29 | fusion | ty |
| 07:02.34 | starscalling | nor --help |
| 07:03.11 | starscalling | munin either |
| 07:03.13 | starscalling | :/ |
| 07:03.42 | TwistedEmotions | Is there anyway to change GAM skil? |
| 07:03.42 | TwistedEmotions | *GAIM |
| 07:03.43 | Agrajag- | starscalling: ipac-ng has plenty of documentation |
| 07:03.43 | TwistedEmotions | *skin |
| 07:03.48 | Agrajag- | starscalling: read the README |
| 07:03.51 | chealer | !typosmite TwistedEmotions |
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| 07:04.01 | jm_ | fusion: that document also has CUPS part, so read both - it's really simple |
| 07:04.17 | TwistedEmotions | chealer: thakns |
| 07:04.19 | fusion | Okay |
| 07:04.21 | fusion | thanks |
| 07:04.27 | chealer | TwistedEmotions: hehe, ask #gaim |
| 07:04.37 | TwistedEmotions | thanks. |
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| 07:05.13 | starscalling | im not seeing it anywhere Agrajag- :/ |
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| 07:05.24 | starscalling | where is its folder that it gets installed to |
| 07:05.46 | Agrajag- | starscalling: i dont know. if you installed a debian package, docs is in /usr/share/doc/packagename |
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| 07:08.59 | starscalling | oh god |
| 07:09.03 | starscalling | this makes no sense |
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| 07:09.20 | RudiLinux | How i can disable configuration of OpenOffice and Firefox for any users? Please, hep. |
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| 07:11.54 | jake | RudiLinux, you could make the directoriesd that those programs use to save the config in read only. |
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| 07:12.07 | jake | RudiLinux, but there must be a better way... |
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| 07:14.19 | streuner | Does hotplug modprobe NFS too? |
| 07:15.01 | RudiLinux | RudiLinux: Hm. Good concieve. But.. ;-) |
| 07:15.29 | streuner | module(s)* |
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| 07:15.53 | starscalling | ok |
| 07:16.01 | starscalling | how do i grep to a file again? |
| 07:16.10 | starscalling | perhaps if i run something in screen and just grep it now and hten |
| 07:16.13 | starscalling | that might work :/ |
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| 07:18.09 | streuner | !fuck hotplug for loading NFS modules |
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| 07:21.24 | starscalling | yup |
| 07:21.28 | starscalling | no fucking sense at all |
| 07:21.33 | starscalling | good night all |
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| 07:21.40 | challenged | he if i screw up a setting in a proggy and dpkg-reconfigure doesnt show me all the bits i filled in the first time..where would the script live for a manual change? |
| 07:21.48 | starscalling | im gonna try this shit again tomorrow when it doenst hurt my head so fucking much |
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| 07:24.01 | tcsetattr | try dpkg-reconfigure -plow |
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| 07:28.00 | challenged | nope still broken 8/ |
| 07:28.20 | challenged | debconf |
| 07:28.23 | challenged | ? |
| 07:30.04 | valdyn_ | challenged: dpkg-reconfigure doesnt just remove a couple options.. |
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| 07:31.42 | liable | hola :) |
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| 07:32.42 | Cope | I'm curious as to where the /etc/default/tftpd-hpa file is documented - there's no README.debian in /usr/share/doc/tftpd-hpa. It's pretty self-explanatory, but I'd like to read some more. Any ideas where it is? |
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| 07:32.58 | challenged | valdyn_, when i installed the deb firstly it asked me for hostname....reconfigure doesnt tho |
| 07:33.28 | Guerin | challenged: still got sound issues? |
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| 07:34.02 | valdyn_ | challenged: that's not really possible, you were asked for your hostname by some other package |
| 07:34.05 | challenged | Guerin, well i modprobed snd-intel8x0 and snd-pcm-oss but im still getting /dev/dsp denied |
| 07:34.25 | challenged | valdyn_, yeah it accesses mysql and i put in the wrong hostname apprently |
| 07:34.42 | npx | challenged, if you're trying to access it as a user, are you in the audio group? |
| 07:34.44 | challenged | should have let it as localhost rather than swapping in my server name |
| 07:35.08 | fusion | jm_: Haha, All I had to do was add an "internet" printer! |
| 07:35.11 | challenged | npx, probably not...alsaconf didnt detect so i have to do manuall so i need to add groups etc |
| 07:35.14 | Guerin | challenged: acess denied? adduser yourusername audio ; newgrp audio |
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| 07:35.58 | jm_ | fusion: but that goes directly to CUPS I think, not via Samba |
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| 07:36.18 | fusion | jm_ Indeed, but that is all I needed after all :) |
| 07:36.46 | challenged | Guerin, just about to paste results of aplay in flood |
| 07:37.00 | jm_ | fusion: right, it's always easier if you just print to CUPS with XP |
| 07:37.20 | fusion | :) |
| 07:37.28 | challenged | Guerin, your in flood? |
| 07:37.28 | Guerin | challenged: don't use aplay |
| 07:37.30 | Guerin | no |
| 07:37.33 | Guerin | use a httpd |
| 07:37.39 | Guerin | i don't do #flood |
| 07:37.42 | challenged | Guerin, what would you like me to test with? |
| 07:37.50 | challenged | kk |
| 07:37.54 | Guerin | cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
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| 07:38.16 | bucky | Cope, http://www.carfax.org.uk/docs/Netboot/ |
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| 07:38.42 | challenged | Guerin, no such file or directory |
| 07:38.53 | Guerin | ok |
| 07:39.08 | Guerin | now cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 07:39.11 | challenged | Guerin, /vmlinux specifically |
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| 07:39.28 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:39.30 | Guerin | note the z |
| 07:39.34 | challenged | --- no soundcards --- |
| 07:39.35 | Guerin | or any other file will do |
| 07:39.38 | Guerin | ok |
| 07:39.53 | challenged | yeah with z...my misread |
| 07:39.59 | Guerin | put the output of lsmod |grep snd; on paster |
| 07:40.10 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.12 | denial | I'm having trouble with fonts, but only in a few places, for example the file chooser font for XMMS is hideous and large... does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 07:40.24 | npx | Empire Earth 2 runs great in winex |
| 07:40.27 | npx | rejoice! |
| 07:40.29 | Guerin | !gtk fontsize |
| 07:40.29 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
| 07:40.39 | valdyn_ | denial: are you using gnome? |
| 07:40.51 | denial | valdyn_, I am using gnome... |
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| 07:41.05 | Guerin | denial: your fix has nothing to do with gnome; it's found above |
| 07:41.06 | denial | Guerin: xmms uses gtk1 fonts? thanks! |
| 07:41.16 | Guerin | yes, xmms was still gtk1 last I checked |
| 07:41.25 | valdyn_ | denial: xmms is gtk1 and gtk1 font settings are spread over many files, so |
| 07:41.40 | gorilla_ | I have installed Debian sarge but can't find apt-proxy... any ideas?? |
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| 07:42.01 | Guerin | it's not in sarge, it's buggy as a bastard. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 07:42.06 | challenged | Guerin, http://channels.debian.net/paste/144 |
| 07:42.15 | Cope | bucky: yeah, I know how to netboot // pxeboot - was just curious about the syntax and options of /etc/default/tftpd - I couldn't find any documentation. Seems its just a repository for 'default options' as detailed in the man page, though. |
| 07:42.16 | valdyn_ | denial: first try "gtk-theme-switch", if that doesn't fix xmms fonts you will need to look at /etc/gtk/gtkrc-<whatever_charset> |
| 07:42.16 | denial | valdyn_, iirc .gtkrc.mine will set them for a user |
| 07:42.36 | valdyn_ | denial: yes, but |
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| 07:43.30 | valdyn_ | denial: you cant just "change a font" with a line, /etc/gtk/gtkrc.<utf-8> can fuck you up, so you will have to override that font setting specificually in ~/.gtkrc.mine |
| 07:43.49 | Guerin | challenged: that's pretty fucked. Is this somne stupid evil onboard card? |
| 07:44.02 | valdyn_ | denial: "strace -eopen xmms 2>&1 | grep gtkrc" |
| 07:44.20 | Guerin | valdyn_: the factoid says to copy it to your homedir and then make the change |
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| 07:44.42 | valdyn_ | Guerin: ah, nice |
| 07:44.52 | denial | valdyn_, right, its using utf8 |
| 07:44.57 | liable | challenged: does 'groups' show you in audio? |
| 07:45.03 | Guerin | never edit files in /etc # except if you know what you're doing :) |
| 07:45.19 | valdyn_ | denial: yea, that "bug" is ( for my system ) only appearing w/ utf8 |
| 07:45.26 | Guerin | liable: irrelevant, since /proc/asound/cards shows no cards |
| 07:45.52 | liable | missed that |
| 07:45.53 | valdyn_ | denial: also for some funnny reason not all gtk apps check the same config files |
| 07:46.04 | valdyn_ | denial: particularily if you run gnome or kde |
| 07:46.10 | Guerin | yeah, gtk1 was a bit of a bastardisation |
| 07:46.22 | Guerin | no unicode, for starters |
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| 07:46.50 | challenged | Guerin, yeah i thought the same....after doing a google tho there were some pages saying that snd-azw i think it was...but thats alsa0.9 |
| 07:46.57 | DutchFish | where to find global information on the dif between xinetd process & a daemon? |
| 07:47.00 | valdyn_ | denial: which is why i gave you the strace line above so you can see what files are read ( gtkrc.mine should appear as 'include' in at least one of those ) |
| 07:47.13 | challenged | yup im in audio |
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| 07:47.50 | Guerin | challenged: well... you'd need to build that module for your kernel, if it will in fact work |
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| 07:48.22 | Guerin | DutchFish: what> |
| 07:48.23 | Guerin | ? |
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| 07:48.45 | DutchFish | Guerin i want to learn to program my own daemon |
| 07:48.52 | challenged | Guerin, im not sure if it is that other module as others have mandrake 10 working using intel8x0 |
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| 07:49.04 | challenged | Guerin, inconsistant info |
| 07:49.25 | jm_ | DutchFish: it's very similar, the inetd ones use getpeername() to botain info |
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| 07:49.39 | suppahsrv | hello :) |
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| 07:49.45 | valdyn_ | denial: gtk-theme-switch will set the "style "user-font", while utf8 needs the style "default-text" to be set. |
| 07:49.46 | Guerin | DutchFish: xinetd is a daemon which monitors a bunch of specified ports or sockets, and starts/stops services when those ports are used/disused |
| 07:50.03 | tripz__ | Trying to boot the debian installer for ia64 on my amd64 server, no luck at all, anyone succeeded doing this, or is di-image broken? |
| 07:50.22 | DutchFish | Guerin yes, that i know but is there more detailed info out there? How to program it? |
| 07:50.25 | Guerin | DutchFish: whereas a daemonised service just monitors a given port(s) or socket(s) for specific contact which matters only to that service |
| 07:50.37 | denial | valdyn: k I'll do that also |
| 07:50.39 | Guerin | oh, a programming guide - no idea. |
| 07:50.50 | DutchFish | Guerin yes |
| 07:50.53 | Guerin | tripz__: #debian-amd64 |
| 07:50.58 | Guerin | DutchFish: sorry. |
| 07:50.59 | bucky | tripz__, ia64 is for intel |
| 07:51.09 | Guerin | oh yeah |
| 07:51.10 | san | where can i find java programmers on IRC? |
| 07:51.11 | Guerin | so it is |
| 07:51.20 | Guerin | san: #java, bizarrely |
| 07:51.24 | MobyTurbo | san ##java |
| 07:51.32 | san | ty :-) |
| 07:51.43 | challenged | Guerin, this may overflood.......Sound works with the snd-azx driver in ALSA 1.0.8 or later. You will need to download the alsa-source debian package and follow the compile/install instructions. Once the kernel module is installed, you can run alsaconf to auto-detect the sound card and configure it. The snd-azx driver in 1.0.8 is quite basic but functionality may be improved in 1.0.9. |
| 07:52.00 | challenged | Guerin, the conflicting ifo i found |
| 07:52.04 | tripz__ | bucky: oh.. i see.. no amd64 version? |
| 07:52.09 | Guerin | challenged: ok, sweet then. are you using a debian kernel? |
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| 07:52.28 | bucky | tripz__, oh yes.. it's called amd64 |
| 07:52.28 | Guerin | tripz__: #debian-amd64 |
| 07:52.39 | Guerin | not an official port, but there is one |
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| 07:52.51 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: ###########freenode |
| 07:52.54 | san | wut u mean by u need to be indentified for joining the cahnnel? |
| 07:53.03 | liable | !u |
| 07:53.03 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:53.03 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 07:53.04 | Guerin | san: /msg nickers help identify |
| 07:53.07 | challenged | Guerin, yeah but it was recomiled for nvidia driver but it was off the deb config |
| 07:53.12 | Guerin | san: /msg nickserv help identify |
| 07:53.17 | Guerin | that was a funneh typo |
| 07:53.26 | san | lol |
| 07:53.37 | Guerin | challenged: do you still have the configured source tree you built it off? |
| 07:53.41 | denial | valdyn_, I can't see Tahoma in gtk-theme-switch... what do I do to add it there? |
| 07:53.44 | _Xavi_ | hi, im installing debian remotely using debootstrap (howto here: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html)... im up to the point where i have to type base-config to config the system but it just exits with output, "dpkg-reconfigure base-config" just exits with "Terminated.".. any ideas? |
| 07:54.11 | challenged | Guerin, i do ......have a quick look here for a sec before hand ....http://www.calel.cl/pci-devices/alsa-device-list.html |
| 07:54.45 | challenged | Guerin, that page says it's intel also...8/ |
| 07:54.50 | Guerin | challenged: ok. Then get the package, patch the source, and just build that module. Use make-kpkg - it's pretty straightforward. |
| 07:55.06 | Guerin | challenged: it's definitely an intel card, but the intel driver ain't weorking, is it? |
| 07:55.31 | san | guerin> wot shud i do, wot shud be my command "/msg nickserv ???" ..plz help me i am a noob here |
| 07:55.33 | DutchFish | _Xavi_, did you update to the latest base packages? |
| 07:55.38 | Guerin | the thing is that piece of hardware might have more than one chipset version, and they might behave differently |
| 07:56.06 | Guerin | san: /msg nickserv help identify |
| 07:56.10 | challenged | Guerin, cool ill do the comile then 8) |
| 07:56.12 | _Xavi_ | DutchFish: i used the "woody" target with debootstrap, it downloaded base-config version 1.33.18 |
| 07:56.16 | Guerin | san: that will tell you what to do |
| 07:56.27 | san | ok, thanks agen :-) |
| 07:56.29 | MobyTurbo | !aolify san |
| 07:56.52 | DutchFish | _Xavi_, i was more like referring to Sarge, sorry |
| 07:56.57 | denial | valdyn_, getk-theme-switch is segfaulting :( |
| 07:57.10 | Guerin | yay |
| 07:57.15 | _Xavi_ | DutchFish ah. maybe i should try sarge first |
| 07:57.29 | DutchFish | _Xavi_, it has much better driver support |
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| 07:57.45 | valdyn_ | denial: it segfaults with specific themes iirc |
| 07:58.07 | valdyn_ | denial: dont worry about it, just use the /etc/gtk/gtkrc.utf-8 as template for your ~/.gtkrc.mine |
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| 08:00.47 | denial | valdyn_, Guerin: thanks :) |
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| 08:02.27 | punsad | any tricks getting wireless working on my SOHO with WEP key? |
| 08:02.48 | punsad | I'm using iwconfig eth0 essid foo key 1234-1234-12. and no go |
| 08:03.10 | dondelelcaro | punsad: no, just load the driver, set the key, essid if necessary, and it will work. |
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| 08:03.44 | punsad | dondeleclaro: is that iwconfig eth0 key 1234-1234-12? |
| 08:03.58 | dondelelcaro | punsad: if eth0 is the wireless device |
| 08:04.12 | punsad | dondeleclaro: okey dokey |
| 08:04.13 | dondelelcaro | punsad: the - are superfluous though... 1234123412 will work as well |
| 08:04.31 | punsad | dondeleclaro: all the better |
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| 08:04.59 | punsad | dondeleclaro: thanks!... I'm off to try it! |
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| 08:05.17 | dondelelcaro | DutchFish: yes, 1234123412 is hexadecimal |
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| 08:05.39 | DutchFish | dondelelcaro, ok, sorry |
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| 08:06.05 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.27 | dondelelcaro | [\dA-Fa-F] |
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| 08:06.46 | challenged | where do post-installation scripts live for dpkg |
| 08:06.59 | dondelelcaro | challenged: /var/lib/dpkg/info/foopkg.postinst |
| 08:07.17 | giupy_ | is there a way to control laptop fan? it seem to go ever at max usage.... |
| 08:07.56 | giupy_ | i have acpi fan module loaded |
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| 08:08.59 | spdf | What kind of laptop? |
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| 08:09.27 | giupy_ | spdf ecs g900, all of acpi goes well but fan... |
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| 08:10.53 | DutchFish | giupy_, what does sensors tell you about fan-speed? |
| 08:11.08 | matadamas | HI EVERYBODY |
| 08:11.17 | matadamas | I NEED LITTLE OF HELP |
| 08:11.20 | giupy_ | DutchFish how can i know this ? |
| 08:11.35 | matadamas | IS THERE A PROGRAMMER HERE? |
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| 08:11.51 | DutchFish | giupy_, apt-get lm-sensors and the sensors-detect then sensors |
| 08:11.55 | spdf | matadamas, Er. Caps first ;) |
| 08:12.09 | giupy_ | DutchFish i try |
| 08:12.45 | MobyTurbo | matadamas: MAYBE YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT UNIX AND MANY COMPUTER LANGUAGES ARE CASE SENSITIVE |
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| 08:13.00 | matadamas | no! |
| 08:13.09 | spdf | MobyTurbo, lol |
| 08:13.12 | matadamas | mmm english is my second language, im gonna try to explain |
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| 08:13.27 | matadamas | i would like to get my answer for my question please |
| 08:13.30 | matadamas | ok |
| 08:13.31 | spdf | "mmm", Apparently Yoda is his first language ;) |
| 08:13.41 | matadamas | mmm im programmer but |
| 08:13.44 | matadamas | many languages |
| 08:13.59 | matadamas | but only i know little of almost everything |
| 08:14.01 | liable | matadamas: what is your native language, there may be a more appropriate channel for you |
| 08:14.05 | debian | spdf: right, you are |
| 08:14.06 | giupy_ | DutchFish i'm scanning :) |
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| 08:14.27 | matadamas | so...... |
| 08:14.37 | matadamas | i have a doubt |
| 08:14.40 | spdf | matadamas, so? Give'r with your question... |
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| 08:14.53 | debian | for English please go to #debian-en |
| 08:15.01 | DutchFish | giupy_, you got the fan-speed with sensors now? |
| 08:15.01 | bucky | no try... do only |
| 08:15.27 | matadamas | its.... i wanna dominate a language, because im not almost perfect in one, i need to forget all the languages and think only in one if i wanna be good and become to dominate one |
| 08:15.44 | debian | matadamas: what exactly your question is? |
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| 08:15.56 | giupy_ | DutchFish if run sensors it says me non sensors found |
| 08:16.19 | spdf | ..oh man |
| 08:16.32 | matadamas | exactly is: i wanna dominate a language, and be master!!! very good! but i need to select or choice language! |
| 08:16.36 | DutchFish | giupy_, you need to run sensors-detect first and add the rquiered modules to /ect/modules |
| 08:16.48 | debian | matadamas: how about English? |
| 08:16.56 | DutchFish | or modprobe them by hand |
| 08:16.56 | giupy_ | DutchFish i ahev just made that |
| 08:16.59 | giupy_ | have |
| 08:17.01 | matadamas | i know about many i know each one is good for each subjects in different thing |
| 08:17.03 | bucky | python |
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| 08:17.41 | MobyTurbo | matadamas: everyone needs to know C, but you shouldn't limit your toolbox to one language. |
| 08:17.43 | DutchFish | giupy_, its all about loading the right modules |
| 08:17.47 | matadamas | im living in canada, only i have been here 2 months, i arrived speaking anything |
| 08:17.59 | giupy_ | DutchFish i try manually |
| 08:18.10 | matadamas | yes i think so |
| 08:18.13 | matadamas | but mmm |
| 08:18.24 | matadamas | i have been reading about |
| 08:18.24 | matadamas | php |
| 08:18.25 | matadamas | perl |
| 08:18.26 | matadamas | c |
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| 08:18.31 | liable | heh |
| 08:18.33 | debian | lol |
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| 08:18.46 | pw2 | If an ssh session on a box goes almost unresponsive, and yet the local console works fine, and some logins don't have this problem, and the box is doing nothing, where the hell do I start with bottoming out this problem? |
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| 08:18.57 | pw2 | The hardware is good. |
| 08:19.00 | matadamas | im sorry |
| 08:19.05 | matadamas | im here again |
| 08:19.14 | MobyTurbo | !tell matadamas about enter |
| 08:19.17 | matadamas | mmmm i have been reading and learning about |
| 08:19.17 | matadamas | php |
| 08:19.20 | debian | matadamas: you're requested to use ',' between sentences |
| 08:19.22 | giupy_ | mm i have module loaded and i see it in lsmod |
| 08:19.23 | matadamas | perl |
| 08:19.24 | streuner | matadamas: don't abuse the enter button too much... |
| 08:19.34 | debian | poor enter key |
| 08:19.41 | debian | overly abused |
| 08:19.44 | DutchFish | pw2 looked at the time-wait to login? |
| 08:20.00 | pw2 | DutchFish: this happens in the middle of a session, not at login. |
| 08:20.05 | debian | matadamas: you come here for programming lanaguage recommendation? What do you expect? |
| 08:20.17 | pw2 | matadamas: Use Brainfuck. |
| 08:20.21 | DutchFish | pw2 what does tcpdump say? |
| 08:20.25 | stouset | pw2: Nah, whitespace |
| 08:20.40 | pw2 | DutchFish: Haven't traced as yet |
| 08:21.10 | DutchFish | pw2 advice you to trace it with tcpdump on your ethx adapter where you have the connection |
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| 08:21.44 | pw2 | DutchFish: k, will do that; what am I looking for? |
| 08:21.49 | giupy_ | is there some support for pentium4 HT ? |
| 08:21.59 | pw2 | giupy_: yes, just install 686-smp kernel |
| 08:22.16 | DutchFish | pw2 handshaking, rehandshaking etc... suspect something in your network goes wrong? |
| 08:22.26 | pw2 | DutchFish: k, thanks. |
| 08:22.39 | giupy_ | i ca't there is a conflict with my wireless driver |
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| 08:22.56 | xerophyte | how can i give two option to find like -ctime -1 and -size 106b |
| 08:23.09 | DutchFish | pw2 yw |
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| 08:24.13 | pw2 | I'm betting, however, that this is not unrelated to the fact that I came into the office this morning to discover that the box (running an ntp-simple server) thought it was Friday afternoon. It's Monday morning here. |
| 08:24.39 | pw2 | ...and it was synched at stratum 5. Weirdness. |
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| 08:25.07 | DutchFish | pw2 what kind of ntp? simple? |
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| 08:26.10 | DutchFish | pw2 resync it first alot of encrypting processes need curent time right |
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| 08:28.23 | matadamas | pw2, do you know something? |
| 08:28.29 | matadamas | fuck your mother |
| 08:29.23 | pw2 | I'm so hurt. |
| 08:29.24 | pw2 | Only not. |
| 08:29.32 | streuner | haha |
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| 08:30.27 | streuner | He didn't realize that debhelper is a bot... |
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| 08:33.31 | pw2 | Am I being daft, or can one not tell the duplexness of an interface from the output of ifconfig? |
| 08:33.55 | petemc | pw2: ethtool |
| 08:33.59 | valdyn_ | pw2: mii-tool |
| 08:35.01 | spdf | Bah, and he says he's witless. |
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| 08:36.58 | streuner | Somebody knows 'Kansas'? |
| 08:37.11 | streuner | How many Albums the brought out? |
| 08:37.18 | streuner | s/the/they/ |
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| 08:37.57 | spdf | Including singles? |
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| 08:38.05 | cafuego | !fgi streuner kansas+album+list |
| 08:38.06 | dpkg | streuner: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=kansas+album+list |
| 08:38.15 | streuner | !lart cafuego |
| 08:38.20 | spdf | it looks like a lot.. |
| 08:38.27 | cafuego | streuner: You implicitly asked for it. |
| 08:38.28 | streuner | spdf: heh? |
| 08:38.29 | spdf | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/7260/kansas_disc.html |
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| 08:38.51 | TwistedEmotions | anyone know how to get links to keep it's cookies and not delete them? |
| 08:39.17 | TwistedEmotions | or another text based browser with that option? |
| 08:39.38 | streuner | spdf: fine, i need everything from that group, they are great, ever heard of 'Leftoverture'? |
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| 08:40.05 | cafuego | streuner: peterS lives there, he might be able to help you. |
| 08:40.14 | spdf | streuner, I'm not much of fan... I think most of their stuff came out before I was born ;) |
| 08:40.41 | peterS | ha |
| 08:40.50 | jetscreamer | what band |
| 08:40.52 | polok | what would the java classpath for postgres be? |
| 08:40.55 | streuner | spdf: hm, some people are fans of classic music and they ddidn't live in that epoche |
| 08:40.56 | peterS | jetscreamer: Kansas |
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| 08:41.00 | cafuego | look what fell out of the wood work |
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| 08:41.11 | streuner | jetscreamer: Kansas |
| 08:41.13 | peterS | who's from Ark City, Kansas, I believe, which I don't think I've ever been to |
| 08:41.17 | jetscreamer | kansas has become dust, dust i say... dust in the wind |
| 08:41.24 | cafuego | streuner: Hint: classical misuc is still being composed and performed today! |
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| 08:41.29 | peterS | yeah, all they are is dust in the wind |
| 08:41.41 | spdf | streuner, I listen to a lot of Clapton and Bruce Cochburn.. that's about as much as I've taken the time to listen to |
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| 08:42.05 | peterS | when was Cockburn popular? I don't even know |
| 08:42.12 | cafuego | btw, should I have a heart attack tonight, i bequeath all my dpkg factoids to karsten. |
| 08:42.14 | spdf | Likely never |
| 08:42.24 | peterS | cafuego: heh |
| 08:42.31 | jetscreamer | !karsten++ |
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| 08:42.52 | cafuego | it's just that I'm cooking potatoes dauphinoise |
| 08:42.57 | spdf | cafuego, Plan on blowing an artery? |
| 08:42.59 | cafuego | with extra bacon |
| 08:43.14 | cafuego | spdf: not planning, but it might happen |
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| 08:43.17 | jogla | Hmm |
| 08:43.17 | stouset | !seen stouset |
| 08:43.18 | dpkg | stouset is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 2995 messages. Is idling for 0s |
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| 08:43.28 | spdf | "Man, This is awesome. *Chew* *Chew* *Pop*" |
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| 08:43.37 | jogla | I want to install the packet including the command "arp". |
| 08:43.38 | spdf | !seen spdf |
| 08:43.38 | dpkg | spdf is currently on #debian (3h 58m 59s). Has said a total of 669 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 08:43.40 | stouset | Geez. 2995 messages. |
| 08:43.44 | spdf | 669, I'm way behind. |
| 08:43.47 | jogla | How can in find this package? |
| 08:43.48 | jm_ | jogla: /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:44.01 | streuner | jogla: apt-file search arp |
| 08:44.03 | cafuego | potatoes oven-baked in a pint of cream , with cheese and bacon |
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| 08:44.27 | spdf | cafuego, Sounds like "Scallop Potatoes" |
| 08:44.28 | jogla | Danke :) |
| 08:44.30 | cafuego | I don't think I added enough garlic to offset that |
| 08:44.34 | jogla | Thank you ;) |
| 08:44.36 | jogla | *sorry |
| 08:44.47 | directhex|work | cafuego, i can hear your arteries clang from here |
| 08:44.52 | cafuego | spdf: yeah, just add more fat in dairy form. |
| 08:45.12 | cafuego | well, at least i won't give me gall stones |
| 08:45.26 | pw2 | thanke |
| 08:45.27 | spdf | cafuego, It sounds like it would taste a whole lot better |
| 08:45.38 | pw2 | thanks @ petemc valdyn_ |
| 08:45.38 | jogla | hmm.. apt-file search arp didn't find anything |
| 08:45.58 | cafuego | !find bin/arp |
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| 08:46.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/arp' (7): (/usr/sbin/arpd) in net/arpd ;; (/usr/sbin/arp) in net/net-tools ;; (/sbin/arptables) in net/arptables ;; (/usr/sbin/arpspoof) in net/dsniff ;; (/usr/sbin/arping) in net/arping,net/iputils-arping ;; (/usr/sbin/{arp2ethers|arpfetch|arpsnmp|...}) in admin/arpwatch ;; (/usr/lib/debian-test/tests/linux/testcases/bin/arp01) in misc/ltp-network-test. |
| 08:46.09 | streuner | jogla: apt-file update |
| 08:46.16 | jogla | thanks |
| 08:46.20 | jogla | i forgot this |
| 08:46.47 | streuner | (/usr/sbin/arp) in net/net-tools |
| 08:47.07 | graet | strange problem. after installing apache, there's a dir /var/www with a index.html file. whenever i try to list this dir, the html file is displayed. anyone knows why? |
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| 08:47.32 | _Xavi_ | hi, im installing debian remotely using debootstrap (howto here: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html)... im up to the point where i have to type base-config to config the system but it just exits with output, "dpkg-reconfigure base-config" just exits with "Terminated.".. any ideas? |
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| 08:48.31 | CrypticSquared | hey how do i make the new network cards i installed work? one is isa and the other is an old pci one.. during install it picked up the first two but i added the other two after i installed.... it seems to have the modules loaded |
| 08:48.44 | spdf | graet, Because, by default, apache serves up index.html if it is present.. |
| 08:49.33 | graet | spdf, does that mean this is to be accepted as it is? konqueror will not be able to list this dir? |
| 08:49.34 | giupy_ | i have compiled a module and installed it to precomopiled debian kernel, now i want to compile my kernel, must i first rmmod that module and tha reinstall it? because a time ago, i have made a thing like this with another module and i did have problems re-modprobe it... |
| 08:49.51 | spdf | graet, You could remove the index.html |
| 08:50.01 | spdf | graet, Ooh. Wait. I know what you mean. lol |
| 08:50.06 | jethro | mornin |
| 08:50.11 | liable | _Xavi_: could you do me a favour, and remove the first underscore of you nick? |
| 08:50.20 | liable | jethro: howdy |
| 08:50.27 | jethro | hi liable |
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| 08:51.37 | spdf | graet, I don't have KDE installed so I can't check, but I would think it shouldn't do that.. |
| 08:51.40 | streuner | bonjour |
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| 08:52.01 | ralf | hi all |
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| 08:52.16 | ralf | a stupid package overwrite my /sbin/reboot |
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| 08:52.29 | spdf | ralf, Which package overwrote it? |
| 08:52.31 | ralf | what 'file /sbin/reboot' does for you? |
| 08:52.35 | directhex|work | which stupid package? |
| 08:52.36 | liable | ralf: heh, stupid rootkit :) |
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| 08:52.40 | streuner | ralf: sarge? |
| 08:52.40 | ralf | naa |
| 08:52.44 | ralf | sid |
| 08:52.47 | ralf | initng |
| 08:52.50 | ralf | gentoo stuff |
| 08:52.56 | ralf | a *new* init system |
| 08:53.00 | directhex|work | /sbin/reboot: symbolic link to `halt' |
| 08:53.04 | graet | spdf, it is not a big issue, i can always wok on the dir thro a console, thks. |
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| 08:53.31 | ralf | file /sbin/halt |
| 08:53.31 | ralf | /sbin/halt: ERROR: cannot open `/sbin/halt' (No such file or directory) |
| 08:53.34 | ralf | damn! |
| 08:53.46 | X2 | hi, im having a bit of trouble using grep. i want to find everything in a directory containing the string "Powered". So is this the command i should use? grep -r -e 'Powered' ? |
| 08:53.54 | peterS | ralf: should be in the 'sysvinit' package |
| 08:54.00 | spdf | X2, add a * to that |
| 08:54.03 | ralf | i'll reisntall |
| 08:54.11 | X2 | where? |
| 08:54.19 | spdf | X2, At the end.. |
| 08:54.19 | graet | which is the favourite cd/cd/rom/dvd burner for debian? |
| 08:54.22 | X2 | ok |
| 08:54.38 | bbrazil | graet: cdrecord |
| 08:54.49 | ralf | cdrdao |
| 08:54.58 | X2 | spdf: thanks mate |
| 08:54.59 | ralf | cdrecord doesn't works with my burner |
| 08:55.18 | spdf | X2, No problem.. |
| 08:55.33 | ralf | i mailed the author |
| 08:55.34 | bbrazil | graet: you'll probably want xcdroast or k3b |
| 08:55.42 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.46 | ralf | he said that my drive is buggy and that linux scsi stuff sucks |
| 08:55.50 | CrypticSquared | anyone able to help with the network cards? |
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| 08:55.58 | directhex|work | ralf, nerolinux then! |
| 08:56.04 | ralf | hehe |
| 08:56.07 | ralf | it works |
| 08:56.21 | jm_ | graet: try growisofs for DVD burning |
| 08:56.24 | ralf | i'm using k3b+cdrdao now |
| 08:56.42 | graet | have checked on k3b site, seems good. any comment about it? |
| 08:56.54 | bbrazil | xerophyte: what are you trying to do? find all 106 byte files modified in the last day? |
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| 08:57.06 | liable | graet: its good, and easy :) |
| 08:57.31 | graet | yeh, the gui looks helpful. |
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| 08:58.11 | CrypticSquared | please anyone able to help? i think its the isa network card that its not picking up |
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| 08:58.49 | spdf | CrypticSquared, Why not try one at a time.. |
| 08:58.50 | graet | is k3b reliable, no problem in replay or restore? |
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| 08:59.06 | CrypticSquared | spdf: i did, its the isa its not picking up |
| 08:59.13 | directhex|work | graet, it's just a gui for cdrdao, cdrecord, and growisofs |
| 08:59.14 | lestest | hi there I have an idle machine accessing periodically on the disc (every few seconds) how do I know which process is ? |
| 08:59.27 | directhex|work | graet, if you prefer, try graveman or gnomebaker |
| 08:59.37 | ralf | lestest: lsof or fuser? |
| 08:59.55 | xerophyte | bbrazil, true |
| 09:00.03 | ralf | kill an application at time |
| 09:00.14 | ralf | and look when it stops using the hd |
| 09:00.24 | pflanze | Hello. Will packages with security fixes (and thus priority high) still enter testing after 2 days, even now that Debian is frozen? |
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| 09:00.27 | bbrazil | xerophyte: 106c, mtime |
| 09:00.51 | graet | ok, i'll give k3b and gnomebaker a try. |
| 09:00.53 | lestest | ralf: I dont know eitre the file |
| 09:00.59 | lestest | is accessing |
| 09:01.13 | lestest | I jsut see the disk light |
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| 09:02.03 | bbrazil | lestest: it could be the kernel swapping or flushing buffers |
| 09:02.05 | ralf | lestest: kill an application at time |
| 09:02.21 | lestest | bbrazil: how can I be shure of it? |
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| 09:02.44 | lestest | ralf: that will be my last chance |
| 09:02.52 | bbrazil | lestest: there isn't a way AFAIK, there are some numbers you can tweak in /proc |
| 09:03.21 | gass | does anyone knows a repository of x.org compiled for sarge? |
| 09:03.32 | lestest | bbrazil: but free says the swap is almost free |
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| 09:04.09 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite gass |
| 09:04.10 | xerophyte | bbrazil, can you giveme the full find comand please find . -ctime -1 -size 106c something like that |
| 09:04.10 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon gass. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 09:04.32 | f00bar | morning |
| 09:04.40 | suppahsrv | 8) |
| 09:04.53 | bbrazil | xerophyte: -mtime -1 -size 106c |
| 09:05.00 | xerophyte | bbrazil, thanks |
| 09:05.23 | bbrazil | xerophyte: I assume you want modified time (time data changed) rather then ctime (chown,chmod) ? |
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| 09:06.00 | f00bar | has anyone here used gtkhtml in their code before? |
| 09:06.26 | gass | MobyTurbo: where, in topic refers x.org? |
| 09:06.35 | graet | i have a working system on a hdisk partition. i want to save the partition to cdrws such that they can be used to re-build the system in another hdisk. whcih is the best approach? |
| 09:06.43 | f00bar | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg |
| 09:06.48 | orjan | What's apts sources.list line for sarge securety updates? |
| 09:06.51 | gass | MobyTurbo: how. ... sorry ... you're right |
| 09:07.03 | f00bar | heh |
| 09:07.43 | MobyTurbo | gass: as usual ;) |
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| 09:09.39 | tripz__ | bucky: aha! will it be |
| 09:09.57 | tripz__ | sorry, mistype |
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| 09:10.26 | geten | hey, i have a reproducible kernel null pointer in 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 09:10.42 | ralf | wow, smp! |
| 09:10.45 | geten | is there somewhere i can see if it's a known problem? |
| 09:10.55 | splif | can anyone help me understand why things behind the dmz (orange) can't see the internet? or at least give me a good place to start? |
| 09:10.57 | ralf | sorry, i have only 1 cpu |
| 09:11.09 | gass | MobyTurbo: anyway .. a question: are that x.org compilable? |
| 09:11.14 | gass | is that* |
| 09:11.21 | peterS | ralf: lots of people have only 1 cpu but still use a -smp kernel because the 1 CPU is a Pentium 4 with hyperthreading |
| 09:11.25 | splif | sorry wrong room |
| 09:11.38 | MobyTurbo | gass: I don't know, I'm using xfree86 4.3 |
| 09:11.43 | ralf | peterS: but the system see 2 cpu |
| 09:11.50 | directhex|work | or because they're lazy, and _might_ get a hyperthreaded cpu in the future |
| 09:11.57 | ralf | that is like a dual processor system |
| 09:12.10 | peterS | ralf: depends on what you mean by "the system". the linux kernel and the bios know the difference. everyone else pretty much thinks it's 2 CPUs |
| 09:12.13 | ralf | i'll buy a dual core pc this summer |
| 09:12.14 | graet | i have a working system on a hdisk partition. i want to save the partition to cdrws such that they can be used to re-build the system in another hdisk. whcih is the best approach? |
| 09:12.35 | geten | it is a smp machine |
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| 09:13.31 | ralf | 64 bugs in sarge! |
| 09:13.32 | ralf | 10 release-critical bugs were closed and NONE were opened. |
| 09:13.35 | ralf | hehe |
| 09:13.45 | alex | is it possible to search for a string in a folder ? |
| 09:13.52 | ralf | we will have xorg and other new stuff soon |
| 09:13.54 | directhex|work | grep |
| 09:13.59 | liable | geten: partimage, as long as the second hdd is as big, or just tar -a? partimage is pretty easy though |
| 09:13.59 | ralf | alex: yes |
| 09:14.02 | peterS | ralf: the idea is to get near 0 in about a week. we'd better be going down |
| 09:14.04 | ralf | grep -r |
| 09:14.25 | alex | thanks |
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| 09:15.12 | ralf | i have a program that compiles but doesn't run |
| 09:15.31 | ralf | $ src/initng |
| 09:15.31 | ralf | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-version.c: 230: _dl_check_map_versions: Assertion `needed != ((void *)0)' failed! |
| 09:15.44 | ralf | i have used the debian gcc3.3 |
| 09:15.48 | peterS | ralf: how'd you manage that? |
| 09:15.49 | ralf | and debian glibc |
| 09:16.04 | ralf | peterS: ? |
| 09:16.23 | peterS | ralf: how'd you manage to trigger that sort of assertion with a freshly compiled program? that's impressive |
| 09:16.33 | ralf | i dunno |
| 09:16.41 | pif | hi, does the latest knoppix support promise TX4 sata controllers ? 3.8.1 doesn't |
| 09:16.45 | graet | liable, that line on partimage is for me rather than gaten? |
| 09:16.49 | directhex|work | pif, how should we know? |
| 09:16.54 | pif | ooops wrong channel |
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| 09:17.09 | liable | graet: yah, sorry |
| 09:17.11 | f00bar | I think I've asked this before, but I will try again: |
| 09:17.19 | graet | liable, thks. |
| 09:17.20 | ralf | pif: btw, what is the latest knoppix? |
| 09:17.44 | MobyTurbo | !knoppix |
| 09:17.44 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 09:17.45 | f00bar | my machine locks up occasionally for no known reason, is there any systematic way to find out why it could be happening |
| 09:17.59 | directhex|work | f00bar, check /var/log/kern.log |
| 09:18.06 | directhex|work | f00bar, try a 48 hourmemtest86 run |
| 09:18.10 | f00bar | directhex: nothing useful logged |
| 09:18.14 | f00bar | have done a memtest |
| 09:18.20 | directhex|work | f00bar, basically, it could be hardware issues,whcih can be hard to diagnose |
| 09:18.25 | f00bar | indeed |
| 09:18.39 | jm_ | does it print anything on console when it happens? |
| 09:18.39 | f00bar | i removed all my drives apart from essential |
| 09:18.42 | f00bar | nothing |
| 09:18.47 | jm_ | how do you know? |
| 09:18.49 | ralf | f00bar: leave the machine on the vty1 |
| 09:19.06 | directhex|work | f00bar, what graphics card do you have? |
| 09:19.06 | f00bar | well nothing goes in the syslog |
| 09:19.06 | ralf | and see if it prints out something like kernel bug, oops, etcc |
| 09:19.16 | f00bar | directhex|work: nvidia geforce3 |
| 09:19.16 | jm_ | that doesn't mean it's not printed on console |
| 09:19.24 | ralf | yes, because it locks before :P |
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| 09:19.38 | directhex|work | f00bar, try swapping something else in. for hardware issues, the only systematic way is piece-by-piece swapouts |
| 09:19.46 | liable | f00bar: wireless, if you have it |
| 09:19.54 | alex | directhex|work: after long hours of research my IBM Xseries do not use isp but Fusion mpt and there is NO cmdtool for monitoring the activity of my RAID disk, neither there is a facility to be let aware of a disfunction ! |
| 09:20.04 | f00bar | directhex|work: the graphics card and the processor are about the last 2 bits i can try swapping out |
| 09:20.16 | f00bar | i have a feeling it is the gfx card |
| 09:20.22 | jm_ | there's also the motherboard :P |
| 09:20.29 | f00bar | i have changed the motherboard |
| 09:20.36 | f00bar | bought a whole new one |
| 09:20.46 | jm_ | then just make sure you can check the console when it locks |
| 09:20.48 | f00bar | (for an unrelated reason) |
| 09:20.53 | directhex|work | alex, ibm should supply a tool. have you looked on ibm.com? |
| 09:20.59 | f00bar | jm_: how can i check the console when it locks? |
| 09:21.06 | f00bar | jm_: its locked by then! |
| 09:21.16 | alex | directhex|work: yes they do supply a tool for redhat or suse |
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| 09:21.45 | g0ph3r | hiho, i'm having problems getting usb sticks automounted: i'm running latest sarge/testing (updated frequently), i'm using a self-compiled kernel (where i enabled usb + hotplug), "lsusb" lists my usb stick, hal + d-bus are installed, gnome-volume-manager is running but i dont' get my usb stick mounted automatically. does anybody know where i could look what is missing? or perhaps where i... |
| 09:21.45 | jm_ | f00bar: make sure screen saver is disabled or use serial console and log the output |
| 09:21.47 | g0ph3r | ...could find some logs? couldn't find anything on the debian-user ML or via google about this... :( |
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| 09:22.05 | f00bar | jm_: what does a screen saver have to do with it |
| 09:22.05 | directhex|work | g0ph3r, adduser yourusername plugdev |
| 09:22.16 | jm_ | f00bar: isn't it obvious? |
| 09:22.20 | f00bar | jm_: no |
| 09:22.38 | directhex|work | i massively lowered crashes on this buggy hardware by changing from nice screensavers to a black screen |
| 09:22.39 | jm_ | f00bar: you won't see what's on the screen if it's blanked |
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| 09:22.41 | g0ph3r | directhex|work: thx, i'll try this |
| 09:22.58 | f00bar | jm_: so you recommend sitting on vc1 until it crashes |
| 09:23.17 | jm_ | f00bar: is this the computer you work on? |
| 09:23.24 | f00bar | the crashes dont seem to happen until I'm "doing something" |
| 09:23.32 | f00bar | jm_: yes it's my desktop machine |
| 09:23.43 | jm_ | then use serial console option and capture it on another machine - probably the best thing |
| 09:23.59 | f00bar | ok I will give that a go thanks |
| 09:24.01 | jm_ | or net console patch - I think that exists too |
| 09:24.12 | f00bar | interesting.. |
| 09:24.36 | jm_ | http://lwn.net/Articles/48474/ |
| 09:24.46 | g0ph3r | hm... doesn't seem to work. do i need to restart some daemon? |
| 09:25.44 | jm_ | g0ph3r: tried logging out? |
| 09:25.54 | g0ph3r | nope, do this next. see you :) |
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| 09:26.03 | directhex|work | g0ph3r, after changing your groops membership, you need to log out & log back in |
| 09:26.19 | priest | how do i turn off that cron mails me every night that syslog is restarted? |
| 09:26.24 | g0ph3r | that's what i suspected (been some time since i've done this) thx |
| 09:26.31 | jm_ | well you can do without that usually, but it's probably problematic with gnome |
| 09:27.08 | streuner | priest: look into /etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.d |
| 09:27.56 | priest | streuner: i did..should i do a " > /dev/null" or what? |
| 09:28.21 | jm_ | > /dev/null doesn't get rid of errors |
| 09:28.36 | priest | and thats good ;) |
| 09:28.39 | priest | i wanna se errors |
| 09:29.23 | qwertz_ | Hi! I've an ISDN modem on my box and want to use multilink (2 ISDN lines at once). There is the "multilink" option but I don't know where to set it - wvidal.conf, ppp/options - anywhere else? |
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| 09:32.48 | nomed^ | hi |
| 09:33.11 | suppahsrv | lo |
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| 09:33.35 | nomed^ | is it possible to use debootstrap with basedebs.tar without connecting to any mirrors? |
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| 09:34.24 | liable | wow, seems to be debootstrap night, wheres karsten when he's needed :) |
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| 09:35.00 | nomed^ | i've a basedir.tar i made i would use it to create a chroot enviroment .. but if i'm not connected it doesn't work ... it tryes to get Release and Packages file from debian morror .. |
| 09:35.24 | nomed^ | s/morror/mirror |
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| 09:38.03 | nottu | onjoin msg [12:38] <KungFu> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 09:38.32 | sunny256 | KungFu: Cut your spamming! |
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| 09:39.01 | Filbert | KungFu is fucking spam lamer |
| 09:39.09 | sunny256 | Indeed. |
| 09:39.23 | liable | !ops KungFu onjoin pornbot |
| 09:39.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: KungFu onjoin pornbot |
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| 09:41.36 | buzzzz | see?!?! my pitchfork has done just as much as the ops!!! hail my pitchfork!!! |
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| 09:41.50 | ^rob^ | hi |
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| 09:42.10 | buzzzz | ^rob^: hi |
| 09:42.15 | silverton | :-/ |
| 09:42.35 | silverton | is gnome 2.10 packaged yet? |
| 09:42.58 | ^rob^ | does anyone know what's the kde package name to remote desktop connection (vnc too) i've connected to win vnc with it - can't find it any more - was in internet |
| 09:44.38 | ^rob^ | can someone pls kick KungFu: ?? - i got some porn messages on connect! --- |
| 09:44.48 | notty | we all do :) |
| 09:44.53 | ^rob^ | damn |
| 09:44.55 | silverton | ^rob^, werd |
| 09:45.00 | jethro | !ops KungFu is a porn bot |
| 09:45.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: KungFu is a porn bot |
| 09:45.27 | jethro | duh I didn't note liable's !ops |
| 09:45.31 | jethro | s/note/notice/ |
| 09:46.28 | silverton | chanserv and debhelper aren't very helpful opers... |
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| 09:47.52 | jethro | silverton: they're programs |
| 09:47.59 | silverton | I know... |
| 09:48.07 | silverton | that's basically what I meant |
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| 09:49.04 | liable | ^rob^: krdc? |
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| 09:49.21 | ^rob^ | liable: tx - i'll see |
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| 09:54.45 | _joey | is this a good NIC ? |
| 09:54.48 | _joey | http://tinyurl.com/du4m3 |
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| 09:55.07 | bykte | lol isnt that the nwe gigabit nic |
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| 09:55.25 | spdf | Get the one with racing stripes.. |
| 09:55.48 | _joey | the price is too good to be true |
| 09:55.57 | bykte | well it is |
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| 09:56.06 | bykte | the seller is a power seller |
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| 10:00.16 | Ether_Man | too good to be true? O_o I can buy new cards like that from shops here even cheaper |
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| 10:00.40 | npx | Yo, any opers around? KungFu = pr0nbot |
| 10:01.10 | ralf | KungFu: really? |
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| 10:01.27 | peterS | npx: they've been told, apparently they aren't around |
| 10:01.28 | jethro | npx: apparently there is no oper at the moment, we !ops twice yet |
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| 10:01.38 | ralf | yes |
| 10:01.41 | ralf | there is lilo |
| 10:01.45 | npx | it's 5am on saturday |
| 10:01.48 | npx | wtf is the deal |
| 10:01.50 | streuner | Don't bother him |
| 10:01.55 | jethro | saturday? |
| 10:02.00 | npx | I think, yes |
| 10:02.06 | jethro | where the hell are you living? |
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| 10:02.12 | npx | okay, so it's sunday |
| 10:02.12 | streuner | !ops KungFu is a pr0n-bot |
| 10:02.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: KungFu is a pr0n-bot |
| 10:02.13 | Ether_Man | npx: and were in this world are you located then? O_o |
| 10:02.13 | peterS | npx: where saturday is defined as monday? |
| 10:02.15 | npx | close enough |
| 10:02.18 | jethro | npx: it's monday here :) |
| 10:02.26 | npx | oh shit |
| 10:02.31 | npx | it's monday already, fuck |
| 10:02.35 | peterS | !mock npx |
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| 10:02.45 | Ether_Man | Monday 12:03 here ^_^ |
| 10:02.47 | Qoppa | what and what |
| 10:02.56 | Qoppa | -_- |
| 10:03.03 | nomed^ | do you know how to generate a Release file for a local repository? |
| 10:03.13 | notty | i have a mail quarantined as /var/lib/amavis/virusmails/virus-20050516-093118-29254-02 and i know it's not a virus how can i see it ? |
| 10:04.03 | streuner | nomed^: read man dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 10:04.17 | peterS | streuner: dpkg-scanpackages can't generate a Release file, can it? |
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| 10:04.28 | nomed^ | notty, maybe just pointing mutt to that folder |
| 10:04.38 | valdyn | notty: more <file> |
| 10:04.43 | yahalom | how would i get sarge with a gui working on a pentium 1? any point? |
| 10:04.49 | yahalom | fluxbox? |
| 10:04.50 | notty | valdyn: i want to see the attached file too |
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| 10:05.12 | jethro | !polls |
| 10:05.12 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 10:05.17 | peterS | yahalom: or blackbox or fvwm or ion3 or ratpoison or tvtwm or.. |
| 10:05.19 | streuner | peterS: no, i guessed there would be a link in the man-page for another command... |
| 10:05.22 | nomed^ | streuner, i generated a Packages file but i didn't find anything about Release file ... i'll check it better |
| 10:05.35 | peterS | nomed^: it's not in there. I don't know how to do it, actually |
| 10:05.42 | jm_ | notty: mutt -f ... |
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| 10:05.48 | streuner | peterS: dpkg-ftp* or such |
| 10:06.00 | giupy | uh there is ion3 ? |
| 10:06.10 | giupy | in sid i tjink.... |
| 10:06.13 | giupy | think |
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| 10:06.51 | yahalom | peterS: i'm not familiar with these. only saw fluxbox on dsl. these people need an easy to use gui, that still looks decent on their old system. |
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| 10:07.36 | notty | jm_: /var/lib/amavis/virusmails/virus-20050516-093118-29254-02 is not a mailbox. |
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| 10:08.16 | peterS | yahalom: everyone's favorite lightweight desktop environment these days seems to be xfce4 |
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| 10:08.34 | g0ph3r | hm... my usb stick still doesn't work (after i added my user account to the plugdev group). but now i'm getting errors in /var/log/messages at least, which may point towards missing scsi support: "scsi.agent [2408]: sd_mod: can't be loaded (for disk)". so i'll check my kernel config and may roll a new one. thx so far! |
| 10:08.47 | yahalom | peterS: yeah but apparently its not that light. the diff between it and kde i heard was 8mb |
| 10:08.53 | ChrisW | hurm |
| 10:08.57 | yahalom | correct me if i'm wrong. |
| 10:09.00 | ChrisW | who do we report spambots too? |
| 10:09.03 | peterS | yahalom: I haven't tried it |
| 10:09.05 | mooded | KungFu is a porno-spambot.. |
| 10:09.08 | jm_ | notty: is it a dir? |
| 10:09.11 | mooded | oh.. |
| 10:09.13 | yahalom | mooded: yes |
| 10:09.14 | peterS | ChrisW: KungFu has been reported multiple times, the ops are asleep |
| 10:09.25 | mooded | :// |
| 10:09.39 | mooded | what an honorless lamer uses freenode for this.. grrr |
| 10:09.44 | ChrisW | well, can someone kick ban it from here anyway? |
| 10:09.44 | notty | jm_: a file quarantined by amavis |
| 10:09.48 | nomed^ | streuner, peterS maybe you know something more .. i'm trying to use a basedebs.tar i made .. but debootstrap also using --unpack-tarball connects to internet .. do you know how to skip this? |
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| 10:09.56 | jethro | ChrisW: report it to freenode opers |
| 10:10.02 | peterS | nomed^: no |
| 10:10.04 | karsten | peterS: Go away! |
| 10:10.08 | peterS | karsten: yeah yeah |
| 10:10.20 | yahalom | peterS: they have no internet so i should just download all the isos? and then try and find fluxbox or whatever through apt on this comp? |
| 10:10.31 | jm_ | notty: hw does it look like? |
| 10:10.40 | peterS | yahalom: apt-cache search x-window-manager |
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| 10:10.55 | peterS | yahalom: try all 46, pick your favorite |
| 10:11.11 | ChrisW | okay, anyway, the problem I have here |
| 10:11.19 | ChrisW | I'm trying to crun a python script as a cron job |
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| 10:11.31 | ChrisW | runs fine if I do ./run_tests.py from a shell |
| 10:11.32 | yahalom | peterS: once i've setup debian on their pc, then taking their hard disk and getting the apps through mine shoudl work right? |
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| 10:11.40 | jethro | damn, 46 wm, is that just the packaged ones peterS ? |
| 10:11.41 | ChrisW | trying ot do it from cron results in: |
| 10:11.48 | peterS | jethro: apt-cache search x-window-manager |
| 10:11.50 | yahalom | peterS: cos of their hardware settings |
| 10:11.59 | jethro | obviously |
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| 10:12.02 | peterS | yahalom: can be done, if you know what you're doing |
| 10:12.14 | incorrect | im having problems with openvpn, i can connect up a client and that can access the server, however the server can no access the clients local ip |
| 10:12.17 | jethro | that's 45 actually |
| 10:12.28 | yahalom | yay fun. maybe i should just make my own cd |
| 10:12.31 | ChrisW | arg, help, I can't see what I'm typing! |
| 10:12.36 | ChrisW | weird, can now :S |
| 10:12.42 | ChrisW | '/usr/bin/env: python2.4 No such file or directory |
| 10:12.43 | ChrisW | aha |
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| 10:12.53 | ChrisW | why would that happen from cron and not from a shell? |
| 10:13.19 | nottu | jm_: starts with Return-Path: <>... all the header.. and then lots of chars wich are the files attached |
| 10:13.23 | peterS | ChrisW: python2.4 isn't in the default path? |
| 10:13.28 | priest | incorrect: you can't do that default. |
| 10:13.34 | ChrisW | well, it works ina sell |
| 10:13.34 | streuner | nomed^: man apt-ftparchive |
| 10:13.48 | nomed^ | ok streuner thanks |
| 10:13.56 | ChrisW | how doI find out if my default python in my shell is the same as that I see when corn is running? |
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| 10:14.21 | peterS | ChrisW: stuff in debian shouldn't be relying on python2.4 at this point anyway. it's in sid but only recently |
| 10:14.44 | ChrisW | it's a source ompile |
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| 10:14.55 | ChrisW | I know a fair bit about python, don't worry ;-) |
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| 10:15.07 | ChrisW | it's cron and shells I know f'all about ;-) |
| 10:15.16 | incorrect | priest, you can't link two subnets together via a openvpn? |
| 10:15.17 | ChrisW | why? what bug was that? |
| 10:15.24 | nagual | you a deb-dev peters? |
| 10:15.27 | peterS | nagual: no |
| 10:15.28 | priest | incorrect: yes |
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| 10:15.39 | priest | incorrect: you can do that. |
| 10:15.54 | peterS | ChrisW: a bug filed against lyx for depending on python version 2.3. in ubuntu, the 'python' package is version 2.4, see, so this guy couldn't install lyx |
| 10:16.10 | incorrect | priest, i've followed everything to the letter, just i can't seem to get the server network to connect back into the client |
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| 10:16.16 | peterS | ChrisW: the rub is, he didn't bother to *mention* that he was using ubuntu. set us on a short wild goose chase trying to figure out WTF was wrong with the debian archive he was seeing |
| 10:16.22 | incorrect | even just its local ip |
| 10:16.41 | jm_ | nottu: ahh it should start with From: |
| 10:17.01 | jm_ | nottu: copy it to home dir, add a fake From line (note From not From: like I said above) and use mutt -f |
| 10:17.02 | ChrisW | peterS: heh, okay, well, you can subsititute 'foo' in place of 'python2.4' and I still have the same problem... |
| 10:17.08 | priest | incorrect: do you use tap or tun? |
| 10:17.18 | incorrect | i've pushed the server network down to the client, i've done the iroute on the server, i've set up client-to-client, i've set up the ... |
| 10:17.24 | peterS | ChrisW: you could just as well eliminate the /usr/bin/env business and put what you really mean into the #! line |
| 10:17.32 | incorrect | priest, im using a routed solution so im using tun |
| 10:18.03 | incorrect | don't tell me i need an ethernet bridge |
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| 10:18.05 | peterS | ChrisW: if you are curious about the path seen by cron, just set a cron job that does nothing but "echo $PATH" |
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| 10:18.14 | priest | incorrect: you need to setup a routing table even on the client, to route the local net to the tunnel |
| 10:18.15 | peterS | ChrisW: it'll email you the contents of the PATH it is using |
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| 10:18.38 | incorrect | done that |
| 10:18.47 | incorrect | 10.0.1.0 10.0.254.5 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 tun0 |
| 10:19.02 | incorrect | the client can connect to the server |
| 10:19.11 | incorrect | but the server can not connect back |
| 10:19.26 | ChrisW | peterS: ah, right, hmm, yeah, not much in there |
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| 10:19.37 | ChrisW | how'd I change what paths my cron jobs get fed? |
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| 10:19.39 | incorrect | i've set up a machine on the client network, but it can not route to the server, so i must have missed something with the security |
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| 10:19.55 | priest | incorrect: you have wrong netmask..you must use "255.255.0.0" |
| 10:20.10 | peterS | ChrisW: you didn't, it has its own minimal default path. it doesn't read your .bashrc |
| 10:20.21 | incorrect | priest, why must i? i've subnetted it into a class c |
| 10:20.32 | ChrisW | urg |
| 10:20.40 | ChrisW | how canI change that minimal path? |
| 10:21.28 | valdyn | incorrect: your routeing table is just fucked, trying to leave a segment to get back into the segment |
| 10:21.31 | peterS | ChrisW: the /usr/bin/env trick is only useful because of the assumption that pythonN.N will be in the user's path. if you didn't bother to install python2.4 into some common location that'll be in the default path, it won't work. in which case you may as well just change your script to #!/usr/local/my/own/python/bin/python2.4 |
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| 10:22.08 | zoid | how can i speed the mouse up in X? |
| 10:22.36 | peterS | ChrisW: you can set PATH= in your crontab file, if you really must work around your script's assumptions without editing the script. |
| 10:22.43 | ChrisW | well, python2.4 is in /usr/local/bin/python2.4 |
| 10:22.48 | ChrisW | is that the wrong place? |
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| 10:22.57 | incorrect | destination 10.0.1.0 gateway 10.0.254.5 genmask 255.255.255.0 on dev tun0? whats wrong with that |
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| 10:23.38 | peterS | ChrisW: that's actually a reasonable place, although I'd use the debian sarge python2.4 package which will put it in /usr/bin/ |
| 10:23.52 | qwertz_ | Hi! I want to encrypt a part of my usb drive, problem is I'd like the drive wherever I go so I need a tool that can create a container ( or something similar), is able to run form a stick without installation on the host and runs under linux and windows (maybe macos x) - any ideas? |
| 10:24.06 | valdyn | incorrect: its totally fucked up |
| 10:24.21 | peterS | qwertz_: good effing luck |
| 10:24.33 | incorrect | what should it look like |
| 10:24.36 | spdf | qwertz_, buy a decoder ring... |
| 10:25.07 | crashbg | i'm using Sarge and KDE without *dm; when i login and startx, kde loads ok but i can't switch to virtual console with Ctrl+Alt+F{1-6}. WHYY? |
| 10:25.28 | valdyn | priest: maybe what priest said, maybe something else, i dont know your topology |
| 10:25.32 | ChrisW | oh well, I just hard coded the path in the script |
| 10:25.36 | ChrisW | *schniff* |
| 10:25.37 | spdf | crashbg, What kind of graphics card/onboard? |
| 10:25.38 | incorrect | http://pastebin.com/285039 |
| 10:25.42 | crashbg | sis |
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| 10:25.59 | crashbg | it's not a problem, it happened after reinstalling |
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| 10:26.12 | ex0s | Some english speaking person form a english speaking country that i can interwiev |
| 10:26.16 | crashbg | i mean the video is ok |
| 10:26.36 | ex0s | crashbg where are you from? |
| 10:26.41 | peterS | crashbg: maybe you have Option "DontVTSwitch" "on" in the ServerFlags section of your XF86Config-4 |
| 10:26.47 | crashbg | Bulgaria why |
| 10:27.01 | crashbg | nope i don't, peterS |
| 10:27.10 | incorrect | priest, could you check that pastebin out ? |
| 10:27.24 | ex0s | just wondering, im doing some freaking school job, we got to interwiev an english speaking person from an english speaking country |
| 10:27.35 | priest | incorrect: which paste? :) |
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| 10:27.38 | ex0s | some one from USA, CANADA or ENGLAND? |
| 10:27.40 | incorrect | http://pastebin.com/285039 |
| 10:27.42 | spdf | Canada here.. |
| 10:27.45 | incorrect | sorry |
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| 10:27.55 | ex0s | can i interwiev you for a moment? |
| 10:27.59 | ex0s | spdf =) |
| 10:28.01 | spdf | You've got 9mins. |
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| 10:28.31 | spdf | Orillia, Ontario, Canada |
| 10:28.45 | priest | incorrect: show me your routing table on the server too |
| 10:29.04 | DeadZed- | if win apps dont care about permissions .. how do I prtect contents of my drives? If I encrypt the whole disk .. will it make my distro run slow |
| 10:29.05 | crashbg | i have another machine with the same installed stuff - sarge, kde... and it's the same there |
| 10:29.21 | crashbg | with different hardware |
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| 10:29.28 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 10:29.47 | incorrect | http://pastebin.com/285042 |
| 10:29.52 | mynullvoid | how do I check that I don't have ipv6 enabled on my system? |
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| 10:30.30 | suppahsrv | http://www.apps.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt rules |
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| 10:32.17 | incorrect | oh wait i think its a typo in the iptables on the server |
| 10:32.28 | priest | hoho |
| 10:32.50 | incorrect | thats the problem when you been doing something too long |
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| 10:35.24 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up |
| 10:35.25 | DeadZed- | it will make my distros run slower? |
| 10:35.27 | crashbg | oh yea! :) |
| 10:35.27 | crashbg | i found what was the problem with kde |
| 10:35.55 | crashbg | if anyone cares: i use XkbLayout us,bg |
| 10:36.19 | incorrect | thats not it, the server can't ping the local ip of the client |
| 10:36.27 | crashbg | i was messing up the XF-4 cfg... |
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| 10:37.02 | mynullvoid | when I dpkg -l | the second field is small, how do I make it longer? |
| 10:37.06 | priest | incorrect: which ip address do you mean? |
| 10:37.25 | priest | incorrect: eth0? |
| 10:37.36 | incorrect | priest, the client has an ip of 10.20.31.39 from the server i can not ping it |
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| 10:37.56 | priest | incorrect: can you ping the server from the client? |
| 10:38.01 | jm_ | mynullvoid: it's in the FAQ |
| 10:38.19 | incorrect | i can ping the server from the client, but not the client from the server |
| 10:38.20 | jnk | DeadZed-, depending on the crypto, the filesystem, etc. |
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| 10:38.57 | jon__ | i've been trying RCS and CVS, and so far CVS seems more natural and easy to work with. what are the difference between these to and gnu arch? |
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| 10:38.58 | valdyn | incorrect: 10.0.254.2 works though? |
| 10:39.10 | Skyblaze | have you got any problem with the latest update of firefox(1.0.4) on sid with flash plugin? |
| 10:39.18 | Skyblaze | for me now it doesn't work anymore |
| 10:39.22 | DeadZed- | jnk So there are ways to encrypt drives and maintain my current system speed ? |
| 10:39.30 | incorrect | oh it no it doesn't |
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| 10:39.54 | DeadZed- | jnk and there is NO WAY anyone can access my drives once they are encrypted? |
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| 10:40.00 | jnk | DeadZed-, I doubt that but maybe you can do it so that it's not noticable |
| 10:40.16 | incorrect | oh its re-assigned them .5 and .6 |
| 10:40.17 | Ghost25 | Hallo |
| 10:40.22 | incorrect | can't ping them either |
| 10:40.26 | jnk | DeadZed-, there's always a way. Did you know a lab can read data on your disk even if it has been overwritten 10 times? |
| 10:40.28 | mynullvoid | jm_: which FAQ |
| 10:40.40 | Ghost25 | Spricht hier irgendwer DEUTSCH |
| 10:40.45 | DeadZed- | jnk even encrypted?! |
| 10:40.51 | jm_ | mynullvoid: have you read the topic? |
| 10:41.05 | aardvark | NEIN |
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| 10:41.09 | jnk | well if you encrypt and overwrite 40 times... they'll need the key :) |
| 10:41.10 | liable | hehe |
| 10:41.15 | Ghost25 | Ja Ja |
| 10:41.15 | jm_ | !tell Ghost25 -about german |
| 10:41.22 | aardvark | !dachs Ghost25 |
| 10:41.23 | dpkg | Ghost25: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 10:41.33 | directhex|work | !broc aardvark |
| 10:41.34 | dpkg | ENOUGH! |
| 10:41.36 | directhex|work | :( |
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| 10:41.47 | Ghost25 | Ich habe ein Problem bei meinem Dell Inspiron 1150 Notbook |
| 10:41.54 | liable | !de |
| 10:41.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 10:42.18 | Ghost25 | Ich wollte Debian installieren, aber DEBIAN will mir den Monitor einfach nicht finden |
| 10:42.29 | jon__ | Ghost25 #debian.de |
| 10:42.39 | Ghost25 | Ok dann gehe ich ma dorthin |
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| 10:42.49 | mynullvoid | jm_: topic doesn't help me yet, I went to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ ... so? |
| 10:42.49 | jon__ | what's wrong with english? |
| 10:44.42 | DDRP | English is the only language worth speaking |
| 10:44.59 | incorrect | oh its because the client is behind a nat box |
| 10:45.04 | incorrect | bad source |
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| 10:47.46 | pureone | kung-fu is still spaming |
| 10:47.58 | jermy | Yup, he is |
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| 10:48.05 | jermy | s/he/(s)he/ |
| 10:48.06 | boycer | any ops about? |
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| 10:48.33 | SlayerXP | !ops KungFu is an onjoin porn spammer |
| 10:48.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: KungFu is an onjoin porn spammer |
| 10:48.39 | NoLf | Hi, is someone here from a english speaking country that i can interview? |
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| 10:48.53 | SlayerXP | NoLf: interview? |
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| 10:49.34 | jermy | Random Question: Is there a way to find out what DHCP Options are being used? Things like DHCP Lease time, If DNS/Router are specified by the server, in fact even if the current interface is using DHCP at all...? |
| 10:49.46 | NoLf | SlayerXP yes it is a school work |
| 10:50.02 | SlayerXP | NoLf: what sort of interview? |
| 10:50.40 | jnk | jermy, I have right now a file /var/run/dhclient.eth1.leases |
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| 10:51.34 | mynullvoid | how can I get my perl working with apache, I had tried everything but can't |
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| 10:52.07 | petemc | mynullvoid: i suspect you havent tried everything |
| 10:52.15 | NoLf | SlayerXP about what do you do in you country and that sort o stuff |
| 10:52.40 | SlayerXP | NoLf: hmm, well okay. /msg your questions |
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| 10:53.08 | DDRP | English is spoken in every country which matters in the world |
| 10:53.47 | SlayerXP | DDRP: not in america it isn't |
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| 10:53.59 | jnk | SlayerXP, but america doesn't matter |
| 10:53.59 | DDRP | America matters? |
| 10:54.25 | SlayerXP | oh, point |
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| 10:58.59 | incorrect | i've got multiple interfaces on my nat box, i want outbound connections to come from one ip |
| 11:00.33 | scytheman | someone there who runs apache/php/dokuwiki? i have a little problem, but can't figure out the reason for it. a '#' in a link is always converted into a '%23' (which i do not want). in html it isn't converted. |
| 11:00.39 | scytheman | how can i avoid this? |
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| 11:03.29 | jon__ | i've installed the package arch with apt-get (woody) but can't use the "tla" program. apt-get install tla doesn't work (no such package). what's up about this? |
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| 11:05.47 | jermy | jnk: Unfortunately that doesn't exist on these boxes (They're 2.4.30/Woody) |
| 11:06.07 | jm_ | jon__: arch in Woody is very old, not the same as tla |
| 11:06.25 | jon__ | i don't understand what the difference is between tla and arch |
| 11:06.53 | jm_ | tla is version 1.3, arch is 1.0-pre-something |
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| 11:07.12 | jon__ | i don't need both? |
| 11:07.27 | sciboy | Heya, who here has used resize_reiserfs? |
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| 11:08.05 | liable | whats the command to change default dm again |
| 11:08.29 | jm_ | no, but I wouldn't use arch from Woody |
| 11:08.49 | jon__ | jm_ what would you say about a tla backport? |
| 11:09.36 | LunarCrisis | is there a way to figure out what processes are using how much RAM? |
| 11:09.55 | sciboy | I was wondering whether/how i shrink the partition so i can *gasp* make space for a windows partition. |
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| 11:14.28 | sunny256 | sciboy: They say parted(8) can do the trick and is pretty safe. I've never tried it though |
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| 11:18.32 | mynullvoid | petemc: I had install all the package which says perl and apache, I also add the LoadModule perl_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_perl.so, later I apache-modconf apache-perl |
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| 11:18.57 | mynullvoid | I guess I had tried most of what I can think off, any one I left out |
| 11:19.11 | petemc | you could try reading some docs |
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| 11:21.26 | giupy | wich are the terminals that supports trasparency? |
| 11:21.29 | nottu | how can i make iptables -j LOG output in a file... not syslog |
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| 11:22.55 | john | how can i zip a directory? |
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| 11:23.12 | SlayerXP | john: 'man zip' |
| 11:23.13 | quam | Hi! I got a problem on my debian system, a program exits with the error: Can't recode string. When I type "locale" I see that all attributes are set to "POSIX". Does anybody know how I can install the correct locale? |
| 11:23.53 | jm_ | nottu: you need to use ULOG target and ulogd or syslog-ng |
| 11:24.08 | honschu | Why do I only have a /dev/.static/dev/parport0 device instead of a /dev/parport0 ? Is this udev? Problem: sane stopped working form woody->sarge. |
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| 11:24.58 | gorilla_ | honschu, yes that's udev that does that... |
| 11:25.29 | honschu | mhm... Do I really need that? How do I access parport0 with udev? |
| 11:26.05 | honschu | gorilla_ udev sucks, am I right? |
| 11:26.39 | honschu | so when I try to use "dpkg-reconfigure cdrtools" it cannot create the right devices. So, why the hack is udev there? |
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| 11:28.14 | resiak | !magic hate ball |
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| 11:28.47 | SlayerXP | ghm, here's a good one |
| 11:28.56 | SlayerXP | how do I stop apt-get using a proxy? |
| 11:29.12 | SlayerXP | apparently removing the config option from apt.conf isn't enough |
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| 11:29.33 | quam | How can I install the correct locale? |
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| 11:32.27 | estel | hi, how can i mount the debian initrd? |
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| 11:34.20 | BinaryX | SlayerXP, how did you get it using a proxy in the first place? |
| 11:34.21 | saloxin | estel: mount /path/to/initrd /somedir -t cramfs -o loop |
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| 11:35.08 | BinaryX | editint the sources-list will change where it looks for files to update and install from |
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| 11:35.18 | estel | saloxin: cramfs! thanks ;-) |
| 11:35.20 | BinaryX | sources.list |
| 11:35.30 | saloxin | estel: :-) |
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| 11:38.06 | estel | saloxin: you forget about it if you use ext2 for your own initrd ;-) |
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| 11:38.29 | Sypher | hello all .... |
| 11:38.52 | SlayerXP | binarydigit: something like Acquire::http::Proxy "http://1.23.3.4:8080"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 11:39.25 | Sypher | a question guys ... the minimal hardware specs for a small office (50 clients) gateway / firewall ... what would those be? with debian stable ... cuz now i have a normal pc, pentium 2, 350mhz with 196mb ram ... u guys think that's ok ? |
| 11:39.44 | jm_ | SlayerXP: add a trailing '/' |
| 11:39.50 | petemc | Sypher: that would be fine for just masquerading |
| 11:39.52 | kokoko1 | where is rc.local ? |
| 11:39.58 | petemc | kokoko1: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 11:40.02 | directhex|work | !rc.local |
| 11:40.03 | dpkg | methinks rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 11:40.07 | SlayerXP | jm_: yes |
| 11:41.24 | kokoko1 | petemc, I dont' like SystemV so I will consider rc :) |
| 11:41.57 | petemc | kokoko1: what dont you like about it? |
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| 11:42.21 | Sypher | petemc, yea i need masquerading + some other firewall rules ... probably a www proxy. U think that a pentium 2 350mhz with 200mb ram is ok for that job ? |
| 11:42.39 | kokoko1 | petemc, rcX.d things why they just use a single directory like /etc/rc.d for all scripts |
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| 11:43.01 | petemc | kokoko1: /etc/init.d/ |
| 11:43.03 | Gathond | Sypher: the proxy thing might be a problem, but that again depends on the amount of traffic |
| 11:43.03 | gorilla_ | Sypher, depedning on your link spead, that machine should be fine :-) |
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| 11:43.16 | jethro | FUCK! |
| 11:43.17 | kokoko1 | petemc, i know but why all those fucken rc.X.d ? |
| 11:43.28 | kokoko1 | rcX.d* |
| 11:43.33 | petemc | Sypher: could probably do with more ram, and squid or whatever would benefit from a fast disk |
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| 11:43.53 | petemc | kokoko1: different runlevels, i fail to see the problem with it myself |
| 11:43.55 | Sypher | Gathond, petemc i dont intend to enable cache ... that should do the job for the proxy ? |
| 11:44.06 | Gathond | kokoko1: because the X shows the runleven the thing gets run in |
| 11:44.08 | kokoko1 | petemc, see if slackware,openbsd bla can live without rcX.d then why not debian? |
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| 11:44.20 | Gathond | Sypher: then why run masquerating and proxy? |
| 11:44.20 | jethro | someone stole my hung tux :/ |
| 11:44.23 | petemc | kokoko1: a finer grained control - zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 11:45.05 | kokoko1 | petemc, sure mate i appreciate your help, however pls do ask why openbsd , slackware using KISS :) |
| 11:45.20 | gorilla_ | petemc, thanks for the zless tip... I'd normally zcat file |less instead :-) |
| 11:45.31 | kokoko1 | i'm just converted from slackware (perhaps slackware still on this hard disk ;) |
| 11:45.33 | asg | !uuoc gorilla_ |
| 11:45.42 | petemc | kokoko1: i dont need to ask |
| 11:45.43 | Sypher | Gathond, omg silly me ... :D i didnt tought of that one. anyway im looking for a machine that should masquerade / proxy 50 clients *AND* apply some bandwidth management over those 50 ... (like having the office bastard with only 1kb/sec of bandwidth or so...) suggestions ? |
| 11:46.01 | petemc | gorilla_: sure, why use one command when you can use 2 |
| 11:46.03 | RvGaTe | Hello, i have a printserver running on Sarge... im using cups to print, and samba to share the printer, my question is: is it possible to store a copy of every printjob on the server? |
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| 11:46.54 | tarzeau | wait debian has no mp3 encoders? |
| 11:47.14 | asg | !lame |
| 11:47.15 | dpkg | i heard lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 11:47.40 | gorilla_ | petemc, I don't know why would you use 2 commands instead of one... perhaps if you don't know the alternative :-) |
| 11:47.49 | petemc | gorilla_: perhaps :) |
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| 11:48.01 | tarzeau | asg: but that's not in debian |
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| 11:48.12 | asg | tarzeau: no, because mp3 is encumbered. |
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| 11:49.10 | jethro | think I ll just go on strike untill I get the lil penguin back. I m so pissed right now |
| 11:49.20 | liable | tarzeau: lame? |
| 11:49.41 | tarzeau | liable: yes i'm looking at it |
| 11:49.55 | tarzeau | i got a smaller mp3 device than my ibook2 |
| 11:50.11 | jethro | !lart the fucktard who stole my hangtux and the deadly rj45 cable |
| 11:50.23 | liable | hah |
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| 11:51.12 | jethro | there was my gsm, and the hangtux, and figure what, my gsm is still there.. what a moron |
| 11:51.15 | liable | tarzeau: so, you say it is or isnt? |
| 11:51.35 | tarzeau | liable: lame 's fine i guess, let me try it first |
| 11:51.56 | liable | tarzeau: its the best for mp3 encoding |
| 11:51.58 | mikeX | lame should be decent enough |
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| 11:52.25 | tarzeau | it should be in debian |
| 11:52.32 | liable | it is |
| 11:52.37 | absence | is it possible to do the same as apt-get --purge dist-upgrade with aptitude? |
| 11:52.37 | tarzeau | liable: in main? |
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| 11:52.57 | liable | tarzeau: sarge? |
| 11:53.22 | tarzeau | liable: ahhh what i want is "toolame", right? |
| 11:53.41 | mikeX | tarzeau, i think toolame is for mp2 encoding |
| 11:53.57 | tarzeau | mikeX: true. what is the tool i want to use to use lame? |
| 11:54.01 | jm_ | tarzeau: marillat has lame |
| 11:54.14 | tarzeau | jm_: no but liable says it's in debian |
| 11:54.41 | jm_ | tarzeau: it's not |
| 11:54.43 | liable | tarzeau: ooh, fuck, yes it may be from marillat, one sec |
| 11:54.58 | tarzeau | jm_: ok, i'll /ignore liable |
| 11:55.04 | jethro | lame is *not* in degbian |
| 11:55.18 | mikeX | tarzeau, well I would use it with mplayer or transcode, depends on what you want to encode, I don't know of an official debian package providing it |
| 11:55.28 | liable | tarzeau: true /ignore me :) |
| 11:55.50 | tarzeau | mikeX: i want to use it on data from stdin |
| 11:56.15 | mikeX | tarzeau, mencoder (mplayer) can read from stdin I think |
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| 11:56.35 | liable | !ignore me |
| 11:56.37 | tarzeau | mikeX: do you know the right parameters off head? |
| 11:56.39 | mikeX | but you have to install liblame-dev and then compile it with proper support etc |
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| 11:56.53 | mikeX | tarzeau, no not with mencoder |
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| 11:57.47 | tarzeau | mikeX: i'll just use "lame", that's easier |
| 11:58.43 | mikeX | tarzeau, oh ok : ) |
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| 12:00.26 | opqdonut | is mplayer not available on debian? |
| 12:00.39 | mikeX | opqdonut, not officially |
| 12:00.40 | liable | no, not officially |
| 12:00.52 | tarzeau | opqdonut: no it's not |
| 12:01.00 | Kbyte | dpkg: marillat? |
| 12:01.00 | dpkg | marillat is probably an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 12:01.01 | mikeX | opqdonut, there are unofficial packages and you can easily build your own though |
| 12:01.11 | opqdonut | license trouble? |
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| 12:01.15 | opqdonut | is vlc good? |
| 12:01.19 | tarzeau | opqdonut: it's not the same as it was in debian |
| 12:01.25 | liable | !mplayer |
| 12:01.25 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> |
| 12:01.30 | tarzeau | opqdonut: it's a player using GTK+ |
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| 12:02.07 | opqdonut | hmm.. i guess divx is not available? |
| 12:02.13 | aeho | I have an amd xp processor, what kernel I should use? |
| 12:02.19 | directhex|work | !k7 |
| 12:02.19 | dpkg | i guess k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 12:02.24 | Mage_ | kernel-source. |
| 12:02.27 | liable | opqdonut: with mplayer yes |
| 12:02.30 | tarzeau | i have no idea, but do you also get so much mails from guess who! julie? |
| 12:02.43 | solemnwarning | !kernal |
| 12:02.43 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 12:02.47 | solemnwarning | XD |
| 12:02.49 | opqdonut | and not with vlc or xine? |
| 12:02.58 | Mage_ | !root |
| 12:02.58 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 12:03.03 | tarzeau | opqdonut: i hate the ugly interfaces of vlc and xine alot |
| 12:03.10 | opqdonut | !divx |
| 12:03.10 | dpkg | i heard divx is de-encoded with xmps under linux, or http://divx.ctw.cc, or a new video compression system that takes up 15% of the space of some other video compression algorithm :o), or xine will work too with divxc32.dll, or http://thot.banki.hu/mp-ftp/releases/w32codec.zip Please use XviD instead (not OpenDivX nor DivX4) |
| 12:03.15 | liable | !botabuse |
| 12:03.15 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 12:03.17 | directhex|work | tarzeau, you know vlc has six or seven interface modules, yeah? |
| 12:03.17 | tarzeau | opqdonut: mplayer has a so much nicer interface |
| 12:03.19 | Mage_ | !stop |
| 12:03.19 | dpkg | PLEASE STOP! |
| 12:03.28 | tarzeau | directhex|work: does it have one like mplayer? |
| 12:03.31 | opqdonut | tarzeau: agreed |
| 12:03.34 | Mage_ | Totem is fine too |
| 12:03.37 | RvGaTe | dpkg: on what os are you running? :P |
| 12:03.37 | dpkg | okay, RvGaTe |
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| 12:03.55 | directhex|work | tarzeau, one like mplayer meaning...? |
| 12:04.01 | jethro | !on what os |
| 12:04.01 | dpkg | on what os are you running? :P |
| 12:04.02 | liable | dpkg: forget on what os |
| 12:04.02 | dpkg | liable: i forgot on what os |
| 12:04.07 | jethro | sucks |
| 12:04.10 | mikeX | directhex|work, arent' they all deprecated? |
| 12:04.17 | tarzeau | directhex|work: command line parameters, non-visible interface by standard unix single keystrokes |
| 12:04.32 | gahan | are there any bookkeeping/tools for linux? i wish my brother migrate from windows |
| 12:04.45 | gahan | bookkeeping/accountancy tools |
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| 12:07.24 | john | sorr |
| 12:07.24 | john | y |
| 12:07.39 | RvGaTe | stay online ok? in case i got some questions ;) |
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| 12:07.46 | yahalom | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:08.11 | hac | yahalom: u use ubuntu or debian? |
| 12:08.14 | john | yeah i'll be here. |
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| 12:08.45 | yahalom | hac, ubuntu, but also need to know regarding debian |
| 12:08.53 | directhex|work | tarzeau, "vlc -I ncurses" ? |
| 12:09.22 | tarzeau | directhex|work: i just tried that and it started gtk+ |
| 12:09.34 | tarzeau | directhex|work: i'm probably missing it, but it's the wrong reaction |
| 12:09.43 | tarzeau | to show up some ugly stuff i never asked for |
| 12:09.49 | tarzeau | god how i hate gtk+ |
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| 12:09.56 | directhex|work | tarzeau, wxwidgets. vlc uses wxwidgets. |
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| 12:10.05 | tarzeau | directhex|work: and i hate wxwidgets even more |
| 12:10.29 | _joey | could someone explain to me how incremental backup works ? If I do weekly and daily backups and the restore will the most previous weekly and most previous daily backup be restored on just weekly and all previous daily ? |
| 12:10.45 | directhex|work | tarzeau, "vlc -I dummy" should give no gui at all |
| 12:10.55 | RvGaTe | john: how old are you? |
| 12:11.11 | mikeX | wow, vlc ncurses : D |
| 12:11.45 | tarzeau | directhex|work: strange it doesn't show me graphics |
| 12:12.02 | john | 19 |
| 12:12.03 | tarzeau | directhex|work: [00000163] main video output error: plugin was unable to allocate at least one direct buffer |
| 12:12.16 | tarzeau | directhex|work: this software makes me mad |
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| 12:12.52 | kokoko1 | I changed the runlevel but still system logging in X, did I missed something? |
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| 12:13.19 | fabuian | which login manager are you using? |
| 12:13.21 | directhex|work | !nodm |
| 12:13.21 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 12:13.38 | fabuian | uh nice :D |
| 12:13.50 | Gathond | kokoko1: the fact that debian does not (unlike redhat and derivatives) have that runlevel concept that there is one for console and one for X |
| 12:14.11 | tarzeau | fabuian: none |
| 12:14.22 | qwertz_ | Hi! Where do I have to set the multilink option when I want to use two isdn lines at the same time? |
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| 12:14.48 | kokoko1 | Gathond, what the console runlevel then? I love to stype startx myself |
| 12:15.20 | liable | kokoko1: ^^ no dm dpkg |
| 12:15.39 | fabuian | tarzeau: sorry, didnt ask you |
| 12:15.45 | kokoko1 | oki fine, things are really strange over here :) |
| 12:15.50 | jarjar26 | Hi all ! I have problem with cups on Debian Sid ... when i type http://192.168.0.45:631 on client, i got the interface, when i click printer the cpu of server goes 100% :( |
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| 12:16.09 | absence | is it possible to make aptitude do the same as apt-get --purge dist-upgrade? |
| 12:16.27 | directhex|work | absence, what does apt-get --purge dist-upgrade do? |
| 12:16.33 | kokoko1 | but why not earth debian goes direct to X ? arne't it un *linux* |
| 12:16.39 | kokoko1 | why on* |
| 12:16.46 | absence | directhex|work, a dist-upgrade, but purges packages instead of just removing them |
| 12:16.53 | directhex|work | kokoko1, why shouldn't it? linux is what you make of it |
| 12:17.02 | Coke | kokoko1: linux is the kernel, linux doesn't know anything about X. |
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| 12:17.04 | tarzeau | why does upstream lame ship a debian/* ? and why does that --disable-mp3x mp3rtp analyzer-hooks and vorbis? |
| 12:17.04 | valdyn | kokoko1: it does not, you just set it up to do that. |
| 12:17.05 | kokoko1 | for X ? |
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| 12:17.25 | HYC | hello,may i ask a bash script question? |
| 12:17.40 | tarzeau | HYC: go ahead, we can't read mind |
| 12:17.43 | kokoko1 | oki thanks mates |
| 12:17.45 | directhex|work | kokoko1, if a graphical login manager offends you, then do what the factoid tells you to |
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| 12:18.04 | kokoko1 | yep i'm going to remove all those ...things |
| 12:18.23 | HYC | i am trying to read the first argument my code is #!/bin/bash echo $1 |
| 12:18.40 | kokoko1 | directhex|work,I'm kinda useto ~/.xinitrc file |
| 12:18.46 | HYC | and i input ./bash [1-9] |
| 12:18.46 | IDC | :) |
| 12:18.53 | HYC | it output 1 |
| 12:18.58 | HYC | not [1-9] |
| 12:19.04 | HYC | what's wrong with this? |
| 12:19.05 | jm_ | that's pretty stupid calling your script bash |
| 12:19.11 | jm_ | nothing is wrong with it |
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| 12:19.30 | directhex|work | kokoko1, whatever, do what makes you happy |
| 12:19.32 | HYC | could u give me some hint? |
| 12:19.32 | pureone | try ./bashscript "[1-9]" |
| 12:19.40 | pureone | treat it as a string |
| 12:19.46 | HYC | ok |
| 12:19.46 | jm_ | HYC: do you know what [1-9] means for bash? |
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| 12:20.10 | HYC | uhm i don't know exactly |
| 12:20.15 | valdyn | HYC: "[1-9]" or \[1-9\] |
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| 12:20.25 | l1nux | hello :) |
| 12:20.26 | jm_ | read ABS and man bash -> Pathname Expansion |
| 12:20.49 | HYC | ok i will try it thanks |
| 12:20.56 | l1nux | is possible install debian with pppoe ? |
| 12:21.40 | directhex|work | which version? |
| 12:21.46 | jm_ | l1nux: read Installation manual |
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| 12:22.04 | tarzeau | yay only 64 bugs left, right? bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 12:22.41 | bush | at this rate, sarge may be released by 2010 |
| 12:23.08 | kokoko1 | how to check all the packages installed on debian ? |
| 12:23.21 | tarzeau | kokoko1: dpkg -l |
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| 12:23.30 | tarzeau | bush: no, really by the ned of the month |
| 12:23.37 | kokoko1 | oki |
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| 12:24.56 | bush | ive gotten used to the release cycle |
| 12:25.15 | bush | im running sid anyway, so it doesnt really matter |
| 12:25.32 | l1nux | jm_ where ? |
| 12:25.48 | l1nux | releases/stable/i386/install ? |
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| 12:26.55 | directhex|work | l1nux, in answer to what your question appears to be, you probably can't install debian 3.0 (woody) over PPPoE |
| 12:27.36 | l1nux | directhex|work, sarge ? |
| 12:27.44 | tarzeau | arf |
| 12:27.53 | directhex|work | l1nux, yeah, ought to work |
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| 12:28.02 | jm_ | l1nux: you install the base with Sarge and then configure pppoe |
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| 12:29.45 | l1nux | jm_, the "pppoe package" found in "sarge cdrom (base)" ? |
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| 12:30.04 | schwuk | can someone help me with a procmail problem? |
| 12:30.14 | chealer | the netinst doesn't work optimally with pppoe, but you can configure pppoe after it and install "manually" |
| 12:30.45 | toomasr | hi, i plugged my mic in, when i talk, i hear the sound from the speakers, when i try to record anything(krec, audacity) the programs don't record the sounds, audacity is using /dev/dsp as recording device, maybe it has to use smthing else, but i just don't know what, any suggestions? |
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| 12:31.53 | l1nux | jm_, is ok, is found :) |
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| 12:32.38 | jm_ | l1nux: pppoeconf should be there too |
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| 12:32.53 | l1nux | yeah :D |
| 12:33.20 | keta | how i could run gnome remotely with ssh in a window? xnest? |
| 12:33.52 | tarzeau | keta: forget it |
| 12:34.00 | tarzeau | keta: you don't have enought bandwith |
| 12:34.16 | tarzeau | people have strange ideas |
| 12:34.21 | jharrisonwk | happy whit monday |
| 12:34.28 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: bub-n-bros? |
| 12:34.42 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: wanna play? if you find one+ more players, definitely i'm in |
| 12:35.07 | keta | tarzeau: not enought bandwith on a lan? |
| 12:35.07 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
| 12:35.15 | tarzeau | keta: yes. |
| 12:35.19 | jharrisonwk | anyone else want to play bub-n-bros? |
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| 12:35.26 | tarzeau | keta: really nobody wants to run GNOME remotely |
| 12:35.27 | jm_ | keta: why bother with ssh + Xnest on LAN? |
| 12:35.32 | petemc | keta: you could look at vino |
| 12:35.36 | whm | keta:vnc is better |
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| 12:36.34 | nomed^ | i need to know something more about debootstrap then the infos in man page. can you help me? |
| 12:37.14 | nomed^ | for ex is it possible to use my own basedebs.tar skipping the checksum step? |
| 12:37.15 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: some people NEED a gui |
| 12:37.42 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: GNOME is not a gui, it's a tool for masochists |
| 12:37.50 | bush | indeed |
| 12:37.52 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: hey bub-n-bros text version would be good |
| 12:38.33 | jm_ | :) |
| 12:38.47 | mikeX | keta, try freenx |
| 12:38.48 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no thanks |
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| 12:38.53 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 12:38.59 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you got bandwith for the server? |
| 12:39.06 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: im firewalled |
| 12:39.08 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: bub-n-bros is very patchy over a 64mbps dsl line. |
| 12:39.14 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
| 12:39.16 | pingouin | i need a little help, i'm tring to mount and Creative MuvoN200 (which is normaly suported as usb_storage) but for sure the mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/Muvo -t vfat spit out errors : |
| 12:39.17 | tarzeau | if someone wants to play bub-n-bros.sf.net join #bub-n-bros now |
| 12:39.18 | jharrisonwk | damn |
| 12:39.19 | Squiddy | Hi folks. Would this be the right place to ask a question about the Firefox available in Debian? |
| 12:39.23 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: punch a hole. |
| 12:39.24 | mikeX | keta, i've seen a demo with a kde session running over freenx, it was really fast |
| 12:39.31 | pingouin | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 12:39.35 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I have bandwidth at home but no remote access to firewall |
| 12:39.40 | tarzeau | takatumi: can you upgrade your link? |
| 12:39.44 | pingouin | and i got the fat/msdos builded in kernel |
| 12:39.51 | takatumi | tarzeau: post June. |
| 12:39.51 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: cant punch a hole in corporate firewall just for bub-n-bros |
| 12:39.53 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i can run the server, but we need more players |
| 12:39.57 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: as much as I would liek to |
| 12:40.05 | jharrisonwk | like |
| 12:40.07 | petemc | pingouin: cat /proc/scsi/scsi , what host is it? |
| 12:40.12 | tarzeau | takatumi: is that when your government telephony company goes bankrupt? |
| 12:40.14 | pingouin | and some msg in kernel log : May 16 14:47:19 localhost kernel: Unable to load NLS charset cp8859 |
| 12:40.18 | pingouin | May 16 14:47:19 localhost kernel: FAT: codepage cp8859 not found |
| 12:40.20 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: you shouldn't be playing at work anyway. :P |
| 12:40.23 | jm_ | pingouin: also cat /proc/partitions |
| 12:40.30 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I would punch hole in home firewall but it is only accessible from local LAN and im not local right now |
| 12:40.38 | takatumi | tarzeau: no, my existing plan runs out, planning to upgrade then. |
| 12:40.40 | jharrisonwk | maybe my wife can do firewall stuff for me? |
| 12:40.45 | pingouin | petemc: Host: scsi3 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 12:40.49 | jharrisonwk | or maybe home internet goes down ;) |
| 12:40.58 | keta | bah I just wanted to play graphically with the gconf environment of that machine, i think I'll continue using gconf-tool |
| 12:41.00 | pingouin | petemc: localhost kernel: sda: sda1 |
| 12:41.03 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: why not? |
| 12:41.18 | Squiddy | Okay, let's see if anyone can answer this one then: When I download things using Firefox (only in Debian) it automatically add and extension based on the filetype (i.e. myprogram.exe become myprogram.exe.bin). Does anyone know how to turn this behaviour off? |
| 12:41.24 | petemc | pingouin: that looks to me like its /dev/sdc |
| 12:41.41 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: all play and no work made jack a dull boy too. |
| 12:41.42 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: its just me in office on a public holiday and im bored :-P |
| 12:41.58 | pingouin | petemc: i look where is goes with tail /var/log/kern.log |
| 12:42.02 | Squiddy | jharrisonwk, Which public holiday? |
| 12:42.07 | jharrisonwk | whit monday of course |
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| 12:42.25 | pingouin | and i got some msg in kernel log : May 16 14:47:19 localhost kernel: Unable to load NLS charset cp8859 |
| 12:42.26 | Squiddy | jharrisonwk, Okay, in which country does this holiday apply? :) |
| 12:42.34 | jharrisonwk | Squiddy: bahamas |
| 12:42.35 | takatumi | Squiddy: poke around in about:config maybe. |
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| 12:42.47 | Squiddy | jharrisonwk, Alright, I'm on the next flight.... |
| 12:42.48 | jharrisonwk | Squiddy: and some other commonwealth member countries |
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| 12:43.02 | Squiddy | jharrisonwk, Canada was part of all that, wasn't it? |
| 12:43.07 | jharrisonwk | Squiddy: yep |
| 12:43.09 | Squiddy | takatumi, thanks -- I'll poke around a bit. |
| 12:43.17 | jharrisonwk | Squiddy: canada lost its way though |
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| 12:43.55 | jharrisonwk | they still celebrate easter though |
| 12:43.56 | pingouin | petemc: the kernlog dont talk about sdc or cat /proc/partitions nether |
| 12:44.00 | jharrisonwk | who would have thought that |
| 12:44.18 | pingouin | just sda sda1 and the both spit out that wrong fs blah blah |
| 12:44.34 | petemc | pingouin: humour me, try it |
| 12:44.42 | pingouin | i'm sure i got the fat/msdos builded in <*> in kernel |
| 12:44.56 | pingouin | petemc: ok, what do you want me to try excatly ? |
| 12:44.56 | kingsley | I'm about to connect an XP computer to the net through my debian box. What's a good way to insulate the XP box from viruses, worms, spam and other acts of barbarism? |
| 12:45.17 | petemc | pingouin: mount /dev/sdc(1) /mnt/somewhere |
| 12:45.26 | Squiddy | kingsley, turn it off. :) |
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| 12:45.32 | Squiddy | kingsley, Sorry, couldn't resist. |
| 12:45.37 | pingouin | mount /dev/sdc /mnt/Muvo/ -t vfat |
| 12:45.38 | pingouin | mount: /dev/sdc is not a valid block device |
| 12:45.52 | pingouin | the same with sdc1 |
| 12:46.00 | VEKPOS | hello! is there a programm to search within pdf-files or copy the text from them? |
| 12:46.22 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: time to go fishing at cockburn island. wanna come? heheh |
| 12:46.32 | Squiddy | VEKPOS, apparently this is possible with Adobe Acrobat Reader, in Windows, if there is no other solution. |
| 12:46.53 | petemc | pingouin: ok, my understanding is the Host: scsiN part tells you where it is, with scsi0 being sda, etc |
| 12:46.55 | VEKPOS | mh, thats what i already know :D |
| 12:47.10 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: hehe |
| 12:47.17 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you think they'll bite? |
| 12:47.23 | petemc | pingouin: so, according to what you posted, it should be /dev/sdd (my bad) |
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| 12:47.25 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: who the fish? |
| 12:47.31 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: what else? |
| 12:47.36 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: hehe |
| 12:47.38 | tarzeau | !myass |
| 12:47.38 | dpkg | i heard myass is http://jovan.ru/pics/even-more-crap/Bender.jpg |
| 12:47.39 | pingouin | petemc: i try that |
| 12:47.40 | jarjar26 | Hi all ! I have problem with cups on Debian Sid ... when i type http://192.168.0.45:631 on client, i got the interface, when i click printer the cpu of server goes 100% :( |
| 12:47.40 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sure the fish will bite |
| 12:47.50 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we make it so they cant resist |
| 12:48.03 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: we draw pink flowers on your asscheeks? |
| 12:48.10 | pingouin | petemc: the same, not a valid..blah |
| 12:48.12 | Squiddy | VEKPOS, have you checked a package called (I believe) pdftotext? |
| 12:48.17 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: no that wont make them not resist |
| 12:48.22 | Trewas | VEKPOS: acrobat 7 is available also for linux which seems to be quite identical to windows-version |
| 12:48.29 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we print out goatse.cx and show them that |
| 12:48.30 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: what will? |
| 12:48.35 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: hahaha |
| 12:48.38 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 12:48.49 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: either that or we chum the water |
| 12:48.51 | Squiddy | VEKPOS, Make that pstotext |
| 12:49.12 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: then its just a matter of getting your hook in the water and they fish jump on it |
| 12:49.15 | pingouin | petemc: what is that May 16 14:45:40 localhost kernel: Unable to load NLS charset cp8859 ? if you know |
| 12:49.29 | jharrisonwk | mmmm fish |
| 12:49.32 | pingouin | petemc: maybe i'm missed some modules to be buiilded or loaded |
| 12:49.33 | jharrisonwk | now im hungry |
| 12:49.37 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you often eat fish? |
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| 12:49.49 | takatumi | Squiddy: didn't find anything in about:config, let me know if you find anything. |
| 12:50.10 | mememe | hi |
| 12:50.19 | mememe | I'm having a very strange problem with my debian |
| 12:50.20 | pingouin | petemc: the kernl really point sda sda1 (May 16 14:45:28 localhost kernel: sda: assuming Write Enabled May 16 14:45:28 localhost kernel: sda: sda1) so i dont really understand the sdxx |
| 12:50.36 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i can't stand removing the bones of the fish |
| 12:50.40 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes |
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| 12:50.55 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
| 12:51.02 | jharrisonwk | how do you spell fillay |
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| 12:51.07 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: do you have cows on your island? |
| 12:51.07 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 12:51.11 | Squiddy | takatumi, will do. Gotta run: jharrisonwk fillet |
| 12:51.14 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes some |
| 12:51.16 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: try dict fillay |
| 12:51.24 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: let's rather grill them! or chicken |
| 12:51.25 | mememe | I can't print with my deskjet 640C. I'm using cups but the minute I choose a vendor specific driver it test pages looks like they don't even go to the printer, while using raw does sends something (although it looks like postscript) |
| 12:51.32 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you know what I mean by fillay though right? |
| 12:51.34 | mememe | can anybody PLEASE give me a hand with this? |
| 12:51.35 | Squiddy | jharrisonwk, we Canadians kept a French background. :) |
| 12:51.38 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no idea |
| 12:51.41 | Aronofsky | got question, can we declare 2 network interfaces ( eth0, eth1 ) on the same Network card ? |
| 12:51.42 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we can make the fish so you have no bones |
| 12:51.42 | lehel | hello, im using 2.4.27-1-386 .. i want to upgrade 2.4.27-2-686 ... how? |
| 12:51.49 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: really? |
| 12:51.53 | jharrisonwk | sure |
| 12:52.00 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: just have to know where to cut the meat |
| 12:52.05 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: cool! |
| 12:52.18 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes its very good |
| 12:52.19 | VEKPOS | mememe: look at your cups log |
| 12:52.30 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we also have hog fish and turbot |
| 12:52.31 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you are TEH CHEF! |
| 12:52.48 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: those fish when you cook them they have big bones and the meat just falls right off them |
| 12:52.52 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: let me look that up in google pictures |
| 12:52.58 | takatumi | tarzeau: or fry 'em well and eat the bones. |
| 12:52.59 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: so there is no problems eating those fish |
| 12:53.18 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: mmmmmm looks good |
| 12:53.20 | mememe | VEKPOS, /var/log/cups just has http type logs... anywhere else? |
| 12:53.24 | Aronofsky | anyone ? |
| 12:53.42 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: fillet |
| 12:53.54 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: fish fillet |
| 12:54.02 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: that is when they cut the meat so there is no bones |
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| 12:54.10 | VEKPOS | uff, im not sure if ill find it again, mom |
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| 12:54.34 | lehel | how to make an upgrade in debian sarge? |
| 12:54.39 | takatumi | tarzeau: never heard of fish fillet before? what are you eating dude? |
| 12:54.44 | jethro | lehel: man apt-get |
| 12:54.47 | pingouin | petemc: the kernel see it : May 16 15:00:39 localhost kernel: SCSI device sda: 2037760 512-byte hdwr sectors (1043 MB) May 16 15:00:39 localhost kernel: sda: assuming Write Enabled May 16 15:00:39 localhost kernel: sda: sda1 May 16 15:00:39 localhost kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi4, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 localhost scsi.agent[6183]: sd_mod: loaded sucessfully (for disk) |
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| 12:54.56 | pingouin | when i plug/unplug |
| 12:55.14 | takatumi | Aronofsky: and you want both of them to work simultaneously right? |
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| 12:55.34 | Aronofsky | takatumi, yes |
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| 12:56.33 | jethro | Aronofsky: you don't use eth0 eth1 on one same nic, but rather eth0, eth0:1, eth0:2, that's called aliases |
| 12:57.07 | VEKPOS | uhm, in my case i found the error in var/log/cups - there was a package missing |
| 12:57.08 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://tinyurl.com/cfpso == mmmmmmmmm yummy |
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| 12:57.37 | VEKPOS | you maybe want to check for missing packages... |
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| 12:57.49 | giupy | how can mount a .bin image ? |
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| 12:57.58 | Shadur | giupy: depends |
| 12:58.02 | jm_ | giupy: cdemu |
| 12:58.13 | giupy | is it in debian ? |
| 12:58.24 | giupy | Shadur, of ? |
| 12:58.25 | jm_ | it's a kernel patch, and no |
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| 12:58.31 | notty | i have a message quarantined as /var/lib/amavis/virusmails/virus-20050516-093118-29254-02 how can i see the attachements in the mail ? i know it's not a virus |
| 12:58.40 | jm_ | notty: I have already told you |
| 12:58.49 | giupy | ah |
| 12:58.49 | giupy | i see thanks |
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| 12:58.59 | jm_ | nottlalternatively, also try uudeview /var/lib/amavis/virusmails/virus-20050516-093118-29254-02 |
| 12:59.04 | notty | jm_: network connection aws lost a few times.. maybe i didn't get the msg |
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| 12:59.22 | Vegar | anyone else experiencing that amsn freezes from time to time in Sid? |
| 12:59.23 | jm_ | notty: copy the file to ~, edit it and add From as the first line, then mutt -f newfile |
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| 13:00.05 | takatumi | Aronofsky: google for bonding or etherchannel |
| 13:00.12 | jm_ | notty: take a look at your other files for From sytnax, just copy and paste it |
| 13:00.19 | Aronofsky | takatumi, ok thx |
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| 13:01.33 | aeho | can someone help me to get sounds working, I have nforce2 chipset, soundcard is integrated |
| 13:01.39 | notty | jm_ same error virus-20050516-093118-29254-02 is not a mailbox. |
| 13:01.48 | aeho | I tried google, but didn't find anything that helps |
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| 13:02.46 | jm_ | notty: what did you do? |
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| 13:03.19 | RolandU | hi all! |
| 13:03.37 | aeho | hi |
| 13:03.40 | jethro | Aronofsky: do you want two different nics to be seen as one? (aka aggregate their bandwidth?) or have multiple IP addresses on one physical nic? |
| 13:03.40 | RolandU | is it a good idea to use dist-upgrade instead of upgrade all the time? |
| 13:03.44 | xiptos | Hi all! Is there any way to specify the nameserver in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:03.48 | jethro | RolandU: man apt-get |
| 13:03.50 | tarzeau | takatumi: heh yeah of course i know that |
| 13:04.00 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: see the hogfish? |
| 13:04.02 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: really looks good |
| 13:04.07 | jharrisonwk | yeah |
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| 13:04.19 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: big bones and the meat is excellent |
| 13:04.25 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: spearing them is fun too |
| 13:04.38 | jethro | xiptos: no you do that in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:04.40 | xoz | xiptos: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:04.54 | jethro | xiptos: man resolv.conf |
| 13:04.57 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: unless you run into these |
| 13:05.01 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.goals.com/WorldDiveQuest/Pics/Fiji/BlackTipSharks.jpg |
| 13:05.11 | xiptos | yap, but if I need to have different nameservers for different networks? |
| 13:05.28 | xiptos | example: DHCP at home and static at work... |
| 13:05.28 | jm_ | xiptos: how do you get IP for them? |
| 13:05.33 | jethro | can't you just use dhcp? |
| 13:05.33 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: aw dangerous. you also eat shark? |
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| 13:05.38 | xoz | xiptos: use switchconf |
| 13:05.43 | jm_ | xiptos: configure DHCP client correctly |
| 13:05.52 | RolandU | jethro, I know what it does, but that doesn't answer my question really. Is there any reason not to use dist-upgrade? |
| 13:05.59 | xiptos | apt-cache show switchconf... |
| 13:06.00 | jm_ | or use one of the packages that let you configure your networking for different environments |
| 13:06.18 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: and these http://www.goals.com/WorldDiveQuest/Pics/Zanzibar--Pemba/Hammerheads.jpg |
| 13:06.21 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sure |
| 13:06.27 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: shark is good if you are hungry |
| 13:06.31 | xiptos | xoz: great! I'll give it a try! |
| 13:06.33 | jethro | RolandU: if you ask this, you obviously don't know much about upgrade/dist-upgrade |
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| 13:06.53 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!! http://www.goals.com/WorldDiveQuest/Pics/SouthAfrica/shark4.jpg |
| 13:07.05 | xoz | xiptos: i use it and it's very convenient. |
| 13:07.19 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: do all sharks eat meat or do some only eat grass? |
| 13:07.37 | RolandU | jethro: the manual contains just 4 lines about dist-upgrade |
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| 13:07.52 | xiptos | xoz: thanks a lot! I have also an autoconf for wireless networks based in iwlist, if you're interested... :) |
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| 13:08.10 | takatumi | tarzeau: whale shark is one that doesn't. |
| 13:08.12 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: only one I know of that does not eat meat is the whale shark |
| 13:08.22 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: all others eat some sort of meat |
| 13:08.25 | xoz | xiptos: i use switchconf for wireless also |
| 13:08.37 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: whale sharks are nice. They will let you hang on and ride |
| 13:08.41 | xiptos | xoz: ok. i'll try it! thanks again! |
| 13:08.57 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: tiger sharks are vicious http://www.elasmo-research.org/artists/fleetham/tiger.jpg |
| 13:09.00 | takatumi | jharrisonwk: dived with them? |
| 13:09.06 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you go diving alot? |
| 13:09.06 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: no |
| 13:09.10 | jharrisonwk | takatumi: use to |
| 13:09.15 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: use to |
| 13:09.16 | tarzeau | i like dolphins! |
| 13:09.24 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we have dolphins all over the place |
| 13:09.29 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: they are tasty also |
| 13:09.52 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: YUCK |
| 13:09.53 | takatumi | don't eat 'em. |
| 13:10.05 | tarzeau | !dolphinsex |
| 13:10.18 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 13:10.26 | tarzeau | of course i have a mirror of www.dolphinsex.org |
| 13:10.35 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you have sex with the dolphins? |
| 13:10.39 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/mirror/www.dolphinsex.org |
| 13:10.40 | jharrisonwk | http://www.maneatingsharks.com/Images/Bull/BullShark.jpg |
| 13:10.47 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: of course not |
| 13:10.59 | takatumi | tarzeau: I couldn't get your pr0n-get to work with anon-proxy. |
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| 13:11.30 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: well I dont know. you are a crazy turk after all :-P |
| 13:11.44 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no dolphins in switzerland |
| 13:11.45 | abrotman | he's swiss ? |
| 13:11.47 | jharrisonwk | and dolphins are sluts of the ocean |
| 13:11.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: no i'm not |
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| 13:12.03 | abrotman | i thought sperm whales were the slut of the ocean ? |
| 13:12.08 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau == crazy turk |
| 13:12.13 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: no |
| 13:12.23 | abrotman | tarzeau == fully grown pickle! |
| 13:12.37 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: dolphin meat is sweet |
| 13:12.44 | abrotman | dauphin ? |
| 13:12.45 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you visit and we will have some |
| 13:12.45 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i heard it's not of the best |
| 13:12.46 | jharrisonwk | mmmmmmmmmm |
| 13:12.52 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: and starts stinking soon |
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| 13:12.59 | sciboy | Hello. |
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| 13:13.02 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: dolphin fish? |
| 13:13.11 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: not the porpis dude |
| 13:13.14 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: dolphins ain't fish |
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| 13:13.18 | jharrisonwk | sure |
| 13:13.20 | tarzeau | they are mammals |
| 13:13.22 | jharrisonwk | there are dolphin fish |
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| 13:13.32 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: they are mammals? |
| 13:13.45 | jharrisonwk | http://www.tomzap.com/gifs/f_dorado.jpg |
| 13:13.46 | sciboy | I wise to shrink my reiserfs partition without losing the data to make space for a windows partition. |
| 13:13.50 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.tomzap.com/gifs/f_dorado.jpg |
| 13:13.50 | sciboy | How could i do this? |
| 13:13.51 | xoz | just like whales... no eggs mom! |
| 13:14.12 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.panamacitybeachmall.com/skipper2/dolphin.jpg |
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| 13:14.33 | xoz | sciboy: try parted but backup just in case. |
| 13:14.54 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: mammal dolphin == http://www.dolphinear.com/images/dolphin_sounds.jpg |
| 13:15.04 | alex__ | someone has uploaded something on my server, two ps were running two perl file that I killed, I found in /var/temp/ psybnc, which is a irc bouncer, is there a way to search for file that may have been created in my system from the 'make' of this package ? |
| 13:15.05 | sciboy | I noticed resize_reiserfs, but i was wondering whether after using it to shrink it, whether that actually puts freespace available for a new one? |
| 13:15.20 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: a friend of mine from church works with dolphin encounters |
| 13:15.33 | sciboy | "If you wish to shrink a reiserfs partition, first use resize_reiserfs to shrink the file system. You may then use cfdisk(8) to shrink the device" <- shrink the device? |
| 13:15.40 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you can go on a boat with him and he will get you to swim with the dolphins |
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| 13:15.44 | jm_ | alex: make -n install |
| 13:16.03 | alex__ | jm_ what will that do ? |
| 13:16.22 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yay! |
| 13:16.27 | takatumi | sciboy: yes, it's possible without losing anything. |
| 13:16.27 | jm_ | alex__: man make |
| 13:16.37 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you are in swiss land? |
| 13:16.40 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i'd really should plan a trip to you for my next holidays |
| 13:16.46 | tarzeau | haven't had holidays for a long time anyways |
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| 13:16.50 | alex__ | jm_: thanks |
| 13:16.51 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i live there yes |
| 13:16.55 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: me either |
| 13:17.01 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I play soccer with a swiss baker |
| 13:17.14 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: that reminds me I should go get some swiss baking things from his shop |
| 13:17.17 | tarzeau | i'm not swiss, though |
| 13:17.18 | jharrisonwk | mmmmmm |
| 13:17.21 | jharrisonwk | yes I know |
| 13:17.27 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yeah |
| 13:17.29 | jharrisonwk | but you know swiss baking is good |
| 13:17.49 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yep |
| 13:17.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: i heard you were swiss |
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| 13:17.56 | tarzeau | !die abrotman |
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| 13:18.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: is your family swiss or turkish? |
| 13:18.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: the latter |
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| 13:18.28 | jharrisonwk | I want turkish red wine |
| 13:18.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: i knew a turkish girl in college .. she was hot .. and a damn good alcoholic :) |
| 13:18.44 | jharrisonwk | I like trying red wine from all over the world |
| 13:18.47 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: that's good, but i really like the white one better |
| 13:18.48 | jharrisonwk | mmmmmmmmmmm red wine |
| 13:18.52 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: in summer |
| 13:18.58 | jharrisonwk | sure in summer is good |
| 13:19.04 | jharrisonwk | I like red wine the best though |
| 13:19.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: you raped her? |
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| 13:19.33 | dos000 | anyone can tell what is going on here. I created a chroot eenv via deboostrap install xinetd and tftpd however i am not able to get anything back. i tried to run netcat and i see the request coming on the server machine. so it is xinet related. |
| 13:19.34 | takatumi | she got drunk, he passed out. |
| 13:19.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. not even close .. we never even hooked up .. we were co-dependents :) |
| 13:19.57 | jharrisonwk | hey if people want to visit here and they are talking about rape then you cant stay with me |
| 13:20.08 | pingouin | someone know what this kernel msg is about and how to solve it to mount an usb device ? : 15:26:14 localhost kernel: Unable to load NLS charset cp8859 |
| 13:20.08 | takatumi | abrotman: no inter-dependence? |
| 13:20.13 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i was kidding ;) |
| 13:20.14 | abrotman | takatumi: not even close ... |
| 13:20.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: is bujene a common turkish name ? |
| 13:20.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: not written like that, can you write how it's spelled? |
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| 13:20.40 | jm_ | pingouin: isn't it self explanatory? |
| 13:20.40 | debutaunt | there isn't really anything funny about rape |
| 13:20.52 | jharrisonwk | debutaunt: exactly |
| 13:20.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: afaik .. that is how she spells it .. |
| 13:20.57 | pingouin | jm_: not really |
| 13:21.08 | jm_ | pingouin: it's looking for a NLS module which is not there |
| 13:21.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: when i get email from her .. that's the name at the top |
| 13:21.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've never heard that |
| 13:21.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: celikadam or something |
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| 13:21.18 | jharrisonwk | they were talking about giving rapist here the chemical castration |
| 13:21.21 | pingouin | jm_: i got the fat/msdos and the nls module builded |
| 13:21.26 | pingouin | in kernel |
| 13:21.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: now that's turkish for sure |
| 13:21.29 | jm_ | pingouin: not all of them it seems |
| 13:21.36 | jharrisonwk | I say we stick with the cat of nine tails punishment and then fucking hang their ass |
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| 13:21.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes .. she was turkish .. and did i mention .. HOT!!? |
| 13:21.45 | jharrisonwk | damn rapists |
| 13:21.47 | teknoprep | hi all |
| 13:21.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: foto? |
| 13:21.55 | jharrisonwk | sorry I get a bit angry about this topic |
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| 13:22.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: none .. i wish .. i should talk to our friend that got married .. he should have some |
| 13:22.08 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: sorry |
| 13:22.10 | scha | hi all |
| 13:22.21 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: no problem |
| 13:22.32 | takatumi | very mushy. |
| 13:22.34 | lehel | hi.. after when i install a new kernel.. there is anything to do after? |
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| 13:22.51 | lehel | i had -1-386 .. > now 2-686 |
| 13:22.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'll have to ask him some evening |
| 13:22.54 | jharrisonwk | lehel: reboot? |
| 13:23.01 | takatumi | lehel: reboot, if you fixed you bootloader/initrd etc. |
| 13:23.05 | Simonk | Hej |
| 13:23.14 | lehel | i done already reboot |
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| 13:23.24 | dos000 | anyone can tell me how i can tell whether xinetd is fucking up or not ? |
| 13:23.24 | lehel | fix bootloader/initrd ? |
| 13:23.25 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you have any docs on how to package non compiled softwares? |
| 13:23.46 | lehel | takatumi: nothing fixed.. |
| 13:23.48 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you mean precompiled ? |
| 13:23.50 | takatumi | lehel: so the reboot worked? |
| 13:23.55 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: like python stuf |
| 13:24.04 | lehel | yes: dev01:~# uname -a |
| 13:24.04 | lehel | Linux dev01 2.4.27-2-686 #1 Thu Jan 20 11:10:41 JST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:24.12 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: just like any -data package (or ttf-) wait there's a policy for python stuff (all, instead of any) |
| 13:24.17 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 13:24.19 | PerfDave | Hmm, I'm having trouble installing Sarge - the installer boots from CD, but can't load the right modules to recognise its own CD drive. Any idea what it could be? |
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| 13:24.19 | takatumi | lehel: then you are all set. |
| 13:24.21 | lehel | takatumi: everything is all right? |
| 13:24.26 | lehel | ok!.. thanks;) |
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| 13:24.44 | ralfWORK | ok |
| 13:24.45 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ah yes now that you mention python policy I seem to remember this |
| 13:24.56 | ralfWORK | is there any reason that xterm in debian/testing ignors my .Xdefaults? |
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| 13:25.14 | jm_ | Debian's standard xinit scripts honour .Xresources |
| 13:25.26 | ralfWORK | jm_: not in stable! |
| 13:25.27 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you smoke? |
| 13:25.27 | ralfWORK | :) |
| 13:25.39 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no |
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| 13:25.44 | jm_ | ralfWORK: yes in stable |
| 13:25.46 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I mean the cigars? |
| 13:25.51 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: nothing |
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| 13:25.54 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: we have the cubans here |
| 13:25.58 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ok |
| 13:26.05 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i don't like smoke stuff |
| 13:26.15 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: cuba is still good for visiting though |
| 13:26.20 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: havana is nice |
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| 13:26.30 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: except the beaches are not as good as here |
| 13:26.34 | pingouin | how i'm supose to have the NLS charset cp8859 loaded ? |
| 13:26.49 | pingouin | i got default when i make menuconfig for a kernel |
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| 13:26.52 | jm_ | cp8859 is not the right number |
| 13:26.55 | ralfWORK | jm_: creating a symlink from .Xdefaults to .Xresources doesnt seem to fix it |
| 13:27.03 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you like blackjack? |
| 13:27.05 | jm_ | ralfWORK: how are you testing it? |
| 13:27.11 | pingouin | jm_: this is what the kernel ask me for when i want to load an usb device |
| 13:27.22 | ralfWORK | jm_: typing 'xterm' at a prompt |
| 13:27.23 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: the game? 21 something? |
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| 13:27.27 | pingouin | localhost kernel: Unable to load NLS charset cp8859 localhost kernel: FAT: codepage cp8859 not found |
| 13:27.30 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes like in the casino |
| 13:27.41 | jm_ | ralfWORK: well did you merge your X resources prior to that? |
| 13:27.50 | jm_ | pingouin: are you sure it says just 8859? |
| 13:27.53 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i'm not really a gambler (unless we play on something to win i really want) |
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| 13:28.09 | ralfWORK | jm_: meh. no. when I've done this before it was not needed |
| 13:28.12 | doub | hi there |
| 13:28.26 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: im not much of a gambler either. Lost 40 bucks one time when I was a teenager and never again. |
| 13:28.29 | ralfWORK | does .Xresources act differently that .Xdefaults? |
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| 13:28.36 | pingouin | jm_: the menuconfig ? yes for the default in file system / fat |
| 13:28.43 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: just trying to think of things if you visit |
| 13:28.51 | pingouin | jm_: but the kernel log told me localhost kernel: Unable to load NLS charset cp8859 when i plug/unplug the devices |
| 13:28.51 | jm_ | ralfWORK: no, it's the same |
| 13:28.54 | m0p | If I change my ip for eth0 (my internet connection), will the changes happen automaticly or do I need to run "ifdown eth0" then "ifup eth0"? |
| 13:28.56 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: aw don't worry, i'm not sure if it'll ever happen |
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| 13:29.03 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: have you been abroad? |
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| 13:29.05 | ralfWORK | jm_: aight. command to merge these? |
| 13:29.10 | jm_ | ralfWORK: xrdb |
| 13:29.15 | m0p | anyone? |
| 13:29.18 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what do you mean? to the US/Canada? |
| 13:29.24 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: or to europe |
| 13:29.29 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i'm glad if i can go swimming (without dangerous dolphins) and get out for a walk |
| 13:29.32 | nottu | what can this error be about: May 16 14:01:12 deby kernel: TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 217.156.85.12:80/40882 shrinks window 955939695:955940613. Repaired ? |
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| 13:29.37 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: europe |
| 13:29.45 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: or us/ca, au, asia? |
| 13:29.50 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: never been off the western side of the world |
| 13:29.57 | pingouin | jm_: any clue ? i absolutly dont know what to do... |
| 13:30.02 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes USA and Canada all the time |
| 13:30.05 | ralfWORK | interesting |
| 13:30.07 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: do you have a photography of yourself? |
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| 13:30.17 | ralfWORK | jm_: I honestly never had this problem on stable |
| 13:30.17 | jm_ | pingouin: that's odd, anyway find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)|grep nls |
| 13:30.19 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: although I dont like much of USA or canada anymore for travel laws and stuff |
| 13:30.22 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: like star wars? |
| 13:30.23 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes I do |
| 13:30.24 | ralfWORK | seems to work ok now though |
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| 13:30.26 | Althaser | ?? d-i |
| 13:30.29 | jm_ | ralfWORK: it would work if you restarted X |
| 13:30.33 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes I like star wars |
| 13:30.36 | xoz | m0p: depends what command you use. if you edit a config file, you have to restart the process to read the config. |
| 13:30.38 | tarzeau | takatumi: you have a photo too? |
| 13:30.52 | ralfWORK | jm_: I've altered my .Xdefaults before and not had to do anything else to see my changes iirc |
| 13:30.55 | ralfWORK | bleh. nm. |
| 13:31.01 | m0p | xoz, is it possible to change the IP without restarting the interface? |
| 13:31.04 | jm_ | ralfWORK: sure you had to ;) |
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| 13:31.27 | xoz | m0p: use ifconfig |
| 13:31.30 | m0p | ok |
| 13:31.37 | ralfWORK | jm_: thank you |
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| 13:32.20 | xoz | ralf: xrdb -merge .Xdefaults |
| 13:32.28 | jethro | haha typoes in AIX error messages, see why you pay for commercial systems |
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| 13:32.39 | jsturgis | I have a process that takes about 1 second to run. How can I capture data for it using ps and direct the output to a file? |
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| 13:32.57 | clojster | how can I enable bash-completition ?? |
| 13:33.04 | PerfDave | jsturgis: How do you think you can "capture data" using ps? |
| 13:33.06 | teknoprep | hit tab tab |
| 13:33.07 | jethro | clojster: source /etc/bash_completion |
| 13:33.11 | teknoprep | clojster hit tab tab |
| 13:33.16 | teknoprep | does it come up with anything |
| 13:33.29 | xoz | clojster: /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 13:33.33 | jsturgis | PerfDave: Thats what Im asking |
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| 13:34.00 | xoz | jsturgis: explain more |
| 13:34.07 | clojster | I mena that ADVANCED bash completition... (working in man, hosts etc...) |
| 13:34.16 | jm_ | clojster: jethro told you |
| 13:34.22 | sciboy | Ok, i am think that just tar'ing my whole system to an external hd then creating a new partition table to suite my needs and restoring it would be the most risk free process i can go for, would this work? |
| 13:34.22 | jethro | clojster: jfgi |
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| 13:34.33 | clojster | okay, tahnks |
| 13:34.44 | sciboy | The partition sizes will be different but they will have the same order/filesystems. |
| 13:34.45 | xoz | clojster: edit /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 13:35.27 | jhaig | What does advanced bash completion do? |
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| 13:35.49 | doub | sciboy: it should, but there are some tarpits in the process |
| 13:35.49 | PerfDave | jsturgis: ps shows information about processes, it doesn't "capture data" |
| 13:35.55 | jm_ | enables advanced completion ;) |
| 13:36.01 | jsturgis | I have a perl mailer file, but i want to know how it runs the process, does it run it as perl, or does it call the script, plus im using nice and nohup so i want to know how the CMD so i can grep for it. |
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| 13:36.13 | jethro | what does searching for information by oneself do? does it hurt? it seems so |
| 13:36.13 | sciboy | doub: tarpits? |
| 13:36.14 | takatumi | !qotd113 |
| 13:36.14 | dpkg | [qotd113] greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 13:36.27 | jsturgis | but the process runs quickly in my test case |
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| 13:36.50 | jm_ | jsturgis: for that use PERLDB_OPTS="NonStop=1 AutoTrace=1 frame=2" perl -dS program |
| 13:36.52 | xoz | jsturgis: just read the script running it? |
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| 13:37.10 | jethro | !comfort pingouin |
| 13:37.12 | doub | sciboy: i think the safest path is to dump each filesystem in a separate file, using dump tools for your FS if available |
| 13:37.12 | dpkg | There, there, pingouin. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:37.14 | pingouin | supose to be universal... ;) |
| 13:37.27 | pingouin | pingouin y reboot sous windows pour charger sa clef ;) |
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| 13:37.29 | pingouin | la honte ;) |
| 13:37.29 | eBug | why could it be that i can't ping 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 13:37.38 | jethro | eBug: stupid filtering? |
| 13:37.45 | eBug | jethro no |
| 13:37.50 | sciboy | doub: From what i can see, i only got a reiserfs and swap partition. |
| 13:37.52 | doub | pingouin: why should you need windows for? |
| 13:38.01 | jsturgis | the command i run is nice -n +19 nohup ./mailer.pl config_file params, but it runs to quick for me to see the CMD when i use ps |
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| 13:38.05 | takatumi | eBug: caused by eBug , check ebts. |
| 13:38.10 | sciboy | doub: So that isn't a problem? =) |
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| 13:38.15 | eBug | jethro and nmap comes with strange things like: |
| 13:38.17 | eBug | WARNING: Could not determine what interface to route packets through to 127.0.0.1, |
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| 13:38.21 | doub | sciboy: shouldn't be |
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| 13:38.41 | xoz | jsturgis: put it inside the loop? |
| 13:38.42 | jethro | eBug: try ifup lo |
| 13:39.00 | eBug | ifup: interface lo already configured |
| 13:39.12 | jsturgis | thanks xoz: ill try that |
| 13:39.27 | doub | eBug: does ifconfig say anything about lo? |
| 13:39.32 | eBug | tcpdump: WARNING: lo: no IPv4 address assigned |
| 13:39.42 | virgomoon | Is there a problem with the download server(s) at us.cdimage.debian.org? I'm getting a "no route to host" on that url only. |
| 13:39.55 | doub | eBug: ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:40.04 | eBug | atto:/# ifconfig lo |
| 13:40.04 | eBug | lo Link encap:Local Loopback |
| 13:40.04 | eBug | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.04 | eBug | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.04 | eBug | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.04 | eBug | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:40.18 | doub | eBug: check your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:40.27 | jm_ | haha nice one |
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| 13:40.42 | xoz | eBug: iface lo inet loopback |
| 13:40.46 | bibe | hi all. i recently installed debian sarge on an asus laptop, now i am using kernel-2.6.11-1-686 from debian sid; everything works ok unless a bunch of errors while removing (?) modules such as via82cxxx, serverworks and so on. I also have the same modules listed as "[permanent]" in the output of lspci. How can I tell the system to don't load them? I supposed to find something with "grep -ri serverworks /etc/" but nothing was found |
| 13:40.56 | xoz | eBug: in you /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:41.16 | directhex|work | bibe, i've seen this before, but the fix escapes me |
| 13:41.18 | doub | bibe: it's in the initrd AFAIK |
| 13:41.22 | eBug | i had this: |
| 13:41.23 | eBug | # The loopback interface |
| 13:41.24 | eBug | # automatically added when upgrading |
| 13:41.24 | eBug | auto lo |
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| 13:41.27 | directhex|work | bibe, it involved updating a module-related package to the one from sid |
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| 13:41.37 | doub | eBug: don't paste in here. /msg dpkg paster |
| 13:41.41 | sciboy | doub: Hmmm, what tar options should i use so all details are maintained? (permissions etc.) |
| 13:41.54 | directhex|work | sciboy, -a |
| 13:41.58 | doub | sciboy: standard tar does the job afaik |
| 13:42.20 | bibe | doub: so i can build an initrd image without loading the modules? |
| 13:42.36 | doub | bibe: yes, but i must admit i don't know how |
| 13:42.39 | xoz | bibe: man mkinitrd |
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| 13:42.50 | bibe | doub: no problem, i'll man initrd |
| 13:43.44 | bibe | thank you doub directhex|work xoz |
| 13:44.11 | bibe | bye all have a nice day |
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| 13:47.37 | doub | !qotd0 |
| 13:47.37 | dpkg | qotd87 is, like, <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you? |
| 13:47.55 | doub | !qotd0 |
| 13:47.55 | dpkg | i heard qotd113 is greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
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| 13:48.11 | takatumi | tarzeau: whose? mine? |
| 13:48.33 | tarzeau | takatumi: yes |
| 13:48.43 | takatumi | with bujene? no. :P |
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| 13:49.46 | enrique | hello |
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| 13:50.16 | enrique | is anyone awake? |
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| 13:50.34 | aardvark | nein. |
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| 13:51.13 | simonrvn | nope. just us dogs and cats |
| 13:51.33 | Piggy | o_o |
| 13:51.40 | enrique | hey i have problem with debian and i dont know if you guys can help me |
| 13:51.44 | greycat | !ask |
| 13:51.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 13:51.56 | bosmeeuw | hi |
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| 13:52.05 | bosmeeuw | anyone know how to bring up de keyboard layout selection screen? |
| 13:52.09 | bosmeeuw | is there a command for that ? |
| 13:52.15 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 13:52.15 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 13:52.26 | abrotman | furrywolf: still canine |
| 13:52.29 | bosmeeuw | tnx a lot :) |
| 13:52.36 | PerfDave | ...and certainly not human |
| 13:52.47 | greycat | oh come one... everyone knows we're all bots. |
| 13:52.48 | redguy_ | I have a router box in my local subnet that is supposed to act as a gateway for other boxes in my subnet. There is another box in the subnet which is running dhcpd3. How can I prevent dhcpd3 from passing the default route to the GW box? Is there anything like "option routers none;"? |
| 13:52.53 | greycat | s/one/on/ |
| 13:52.53 | enrique | i installed debian on an old world mac is powerbook g3/233 I installed debian ppc 3.0 woody but i cant configure X |
| 13:53.07 | enrique | I dont know ohw to do it |
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| 13:53.08 | redguy_ | geez I always seem to write long questions :/ |
| 13:53.13 | abrotman | redguy_: why not just have it pass the correct gateway ? |
| 13:53.22 | enrique | not on thi computer |
| 13:53.37 | PerfDave | enrique: /msg dpkg ppc |
| 13:54.05 | redguy_ | abrotman: what do you mean by correct? |
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| 13:54.12 | enrique | dpkg ppc? |
| 13:54.12 | dpkg | methinks ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
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| 13:54.33 | abrotman | redguy_: use dhcpd3 to pass the correct gateway to the clients .. why wouldn't you want to do it that way ? |
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| 13:54.39 | enrique | hold on let me try |
| 13:54.40 | PerfDave | Wow, taht was almost random ;) |
| 13:54.43 | abrotman | PerfDave: so close to /msg :) |
| 13:54.54 | PerfDave | abrotman: Well, it worked :) |
| 13:55.32 | redguy_ | abrotman: but the gateway box also gets the gateway address |
| 13:55.50 | elirips | hello. anybody knows a programm for linux that can transfer files to my cell-phone with bluetooth? |
| 13:55.53 | abrotman | redguy_: your gateway box gets a dhcp address ? |
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| 13:56.24 | enrique | what does dpkg ppc do? |
| 13:56.41 | directhex|work | elirips, the gnome-bluetooth apps, which aren't official;ly in debian, are good |
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| 13:56.49 | abrotman | enrique: type "/msg dpkg ppc" in your irc window |
| 13:56.52 | directhex|work | elirips, gnome-obex-send would do the job |
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| 13:57.17 | elirips | directhex|work: those things aren't available as debs for sarge? |
| 13:57.20 | directhex|work | elirips, http://usefulinc.com/software/gnome-bluetooth |
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| 13:57.37 | PerfDave | elirips: there's a bunch of command-line utilities to do it. |
| 13:57.46 | directhex|work | elirips, deb http://debian.usefulinc.com/gnome ./ |
| 13:57.53 | PerfDave | elirips: http://www.livejournal.com/community/nokia9500/4102.html |
| 13:57.56 | enrique | I already checked that link out and it didnt help |
| 13:58.02 | elirips | directhex|work: thanks. |
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| 13:58.08 | elirips | PerfDave: thank you too :D |
| 13:58.20 | enrique | thanks :) |
| 13:58.22 | redguy_ | abrotman: the gateway box is set up correctly (ie it has the external IP set up correctly and the default route is ok as well) until it wants to get an address from the local net. |
| 13:58.55 | furrywolf | the dhcp server shouldn't be using dhcp on the same interface it's the service for? |
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| 13:59.51 | thingfish | If I have to install using a particular monitor, then need to switch to another monitor post-install, all I'll really need to do is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, right? |
| 13:59.53 | furrywolf | s/service/server/I woke up about 4 hours too early today |
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| 14:00.10 | directhex|work | thingfish, right. |
| 14:00.18 | thingfish | directhex|work: cool, thanks. |
| 14:00.24 | redguy_ | it seems that I can't explain it right |
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| 14:00.41 | directhex|work | thingfish, hwinfo can reveal the hrefresh and vsync settings, if you want them |
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| 14:01.01 | thingfish | directhex|work: already have those, thanks though. |
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| 14:01.25 | rogerjames99 | How do I find out what is automounting my cd drive. I think it is kde but the kde guys say ask here first. |
| 14:01.46 | greycat | does it stop automounting if you stop running kde? |
| 14:01.54 | Firehand | !status |
| 14:01.54 | dpkg | Since Sat May 14 00:32:44 2005, there have been 25 modifications, 1307 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 412 commands. I have been awake for 2d 13h 29m 11s this session, and currently reference 25480 factoids. I'm using about 16396 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 530/24.35 child 334.78/21.94 |
| 14:01.59 | PerfDave | rogerjames99: Try using lsof? |
| 14:02.04 | Determinist | lo guys , having a problem with i8kutils , it seems not to be working even tho the daemons are up and running. just doesnt create /proc/i8k , anyone had/having similiar issues? |
| 14:02.18 | Firehand | ok... how can i fix a b0rked status file? |
| 14:02.30 | greycat | Firehand: restore it from backup |
| 14:02.51 | directhex|work | !status |
| 14:02.51 | dpkg | Since Sat May 14 00:32:44 2005, there have been 25 modifications, 1308 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 413 commands. I have been awake for 2d 13h 30m 8s this session, and currently reference 25480 factoids. I'm using about 16396 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 530.23/24.37 child 334.78/21.98 |
| 14:02.55 | directhex|work | hmph :/ |
| 14:02.57 | rogerjames99 | Yes it does not mount if I stop gdm/kde. So I think it must be something in KDE. |
| 14:03.01 | PerfDave | Firehand: /msg dpkg very fubar status file |
| 14:03.02 | Firehand | greycat: there is no such backup... |
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| 14:03.11 | Firehand | i just wanted to create it... |
| 14:03.15 | PerfDave | BEST FACTOID NAME EVAR! |
| 14:03.35 | redguy_ | I want DHCP server in my LAN to set up clients. The gateway internal NIC also is set up by DHCP, and I want to prevent the DHCP server from passing the gw ip to the gw itself. |
| 14:03.43 | jorgp2 | what happen to http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/ ? |
| 14:03.51 | Firehand | thanks PerfDave |
| 14:04.05 | greycat | redguy_: put the DHCP service *on* the gateway box. |
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| 14:04.34 | Determinist | any idea guys? |
| 14:04.36 | wwallace | hello to all |
| 14:04.37 | greycat | redguy_: and for the love of GOD, I mean *really*, what are you, daft? MAKE THE GATEWAY'S INTERNAL IP ADDRESS STATIC! |
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| 14:04.56 | wwallace | lets see how long it taked for me to ge banned by the debian gurus this time? |
| 14:05.00 | greycat | what the hell good is a dynamic gateway address? |
| 14:05.07 | furrywolf | greycat: that's about what I was saying. :) |
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| 14:05.24 | PerfDave | greycat: I dunno. It would serve to annoy users, that's always good. |
| 14:05.50 | fghj | i hv 2 unequal partitions. now i want to take space from one and add on to the other. how to do that? |
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| 14:06.03 | Administrator__ | anyone know why my nvidia driver only works 1 time ...i compile restart gdm run x np reboot....no nvidia again need to just run the recompile |
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| 14:06.17 | PerfDave | Administrator__: How did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 14:06.17 | furrywolf | and, of course, the obvious bofh excuse "gateway router's IP changed, call back tomorrow." |
| 14:06.18 | fghj | without disturbing the contents of both. |
| 14:06.25 | pingpong | ftp.uk.debian.org is unavailable due to routing foo, anyone here able to get hold of someone to fix it? |
| 14:06.36 | PerfDave | fghj: How are the partitions mounted? |
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| 14:06.48 | wwallace | show us fstab |
| 14:06.54 | wwallace | /etc/fstab |
| 14:06.57 | greycat | not the whole file! |
| 14:07.06 | wwallace | ha ha ha ha ! |
| 14:07.10 | Administrator__ | kernel sources...recompile using same.config but without riva,agart...then run the binary .run script from nvidia |
| 14:07.20 | wwallace | hi greycat when the books coming out? |
| 14:07.23 | fghj | one is a window xp, one is linux mounted as /. |
| 14:07.29 | PerfDave | Administrator__: That's where you're going wrong. |
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| 14:07.40 | wwallace | PerfDave: show us fstab |
| 14:07.50 | PerfDave | Administrator__: (1) You don't need to hand compile a kernel for nvidia, (2) the nvidia .run fucks your system, (3) /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 14:08.02 | PerfDave | wwallace: Why do you want to see my fstab? |
| 14:08.08 | petemc | pingpong: i can get to it |
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| 14:08.34 | redguy_ | greycat, furrywolf : it was kinda static, dhcpd.conf had "fixed-address" for the gateway |
| 14:08.45 | aeho | I have a bad problem: When I launch Enemy-Territory X restarts |
| 14:08.45 | fghj | PerfDave, one is a window xp, one is linux mounted as /. |
| 14:08.56 | PerfDave | fghj: You'll need a System Rescue CD or Partition Magic. Boot off the CD, resize your partitions. |
| 14:08.57 | pingpong | petemc, its back up now! |
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| 14:09.44 | fghj | PerfDave, is Parttion Magic a debian package? |
| 14:09.49 | redguy_ | greycat, furrywolf : after giving it some thought i really don't know what the benefits would be for the gw box to get it's address from dhcp |
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| 14:09.50 | PerfDave | fghj: No, it's commercial software. |
| 14:09.56 | greycat | partition magic is commercial windows software |
| 14:09.58 | aeho | Can someone help? |
| 14:09.58 | abrotman | redguy_: what you're asking to do .. is pretty silly .. and really really really not a good idea |
| 14:10.14 | fghj | PerfDave, nothing similar in debian? |
| 14:10.17 | PerfDave | aeho: Have you tried launching it from a console and redirecting output to a file? |
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| 14:10.24 | Administrator__ | PerfDave, i should go back to a stock kernel and try the howto way |
| 14:10.31 | abrotman | redguy_: let's assume by some freak accident .. your router gets a new LAN IP .. and then what ? .. all your dhcp clients are lost .. |
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| 14:10.43 | PerfDave | fghj: It doesn't matter, you'll need to boot from something else since you can't resize mounted partitions. |
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| 14:11.01 | fghj | PerfDave, will a rescue floppy do? |
| 14:11.02 | redguy_ | abrotman: ok, i admit it was not very clever. |
| 14:11.12 | abrotman | redguy_: it wasn't clever at all :) |
| 14:11.21 | PerfDave | fghj: If you have a rescue floppy that supports resizing NTFS partitions. |
| 14:11.27 | greycat | abrotman: harder! whip that dead horse some more! |
| 14:11.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:11.47 | Administrator__ | p4-755 chips dont really gain from smp yah? |
| 14:11.49 | abrotman | greycat: i prefer possums |
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| 14:12.05 | abrotman | redguy_: so you give your router a static IP .. and put that IP in your dhcpd3 conf files |
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| 14:12.06 | aardvark | badgers > possums |
| 14:12.08 | aeho | PerfDave, tried lauching from a console, how I can redirect output to a file? |
| 14:12.08 | fghj | PerfDave, how about doing the resizing from window xp? possible? |
| 14:12.13 | abrotman | aardvark: not dead |
| 14:12.16 | PerfDave | fghj: With Partition Magic |
| 14:12.27 | PerfDave | aeho: With the redirection operator, > |
| 14:12.34 | fghj | PerfDave, thks. |
| 14:12.34 | zxclkjqwe | aeho: program-name 2>&1 > /tmp/logfile |
| 14:12.39 | greycat | zxclkjqwe: wrong. |
| 14:12.44 | PerfDave | aeho: You want something like "et 2>&1 > etcrash.log" |
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| 14:12.57 | zxclkjqwe | greycat: yup :) |
| 14:12.59 | greycat | PerfDave: you too? GEEZ. |
| 14:13.02 | zxclkjqwe | aeho: program-name > /tmp/logfile 2>&1 |
| 14:13.03 | thingfish | Administrator__: um, I bet they do. |
| 14:13.05 | PerfDave | aeho: You may also want to run strace on the et binary, and check the ET FAQs on http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/ |
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| 14:13.15 | PerfDave | greycat: Me too what? |
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| 14:13.30 | Administrator__ | thingfish, on what do you base this? |
| 14:13.51 | greycat | PerfDave: putting the 2>&1 in the wrong place |
| 14:13.54 | pouet78 | hi, I'm using nagios-mysql on debian sarge. Is it realy supported or will it be dropped ? |
| 14:13.59 | Administrator__ | thingfish, any benchmarks? |
| 14:14.07 | PerfDave | pouet78: What makes you think it'll be dropped? |
| 14:14.24 | thingfish | Administrator__: is it a newish cpu? Intel's newer cpus are hyperthreading. I'm looking for more infor. |
| 14:14.33 | pouet78 | becose database support is dropped by upstream ! |
| 14:14.36 | Administrator__ | pouet78, well id say that the fact mythtv uses that as it's base itll be supported till a license issue arrives |
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| 14:14.49 | furrywolf | pouet: it's unlikely much is going to be dropped from sarge now that it's frozen... |
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| 14:15.17 | Administrator__ | thingfish, i know that hyperthreading means multiple CPUs in one way but performance wise i didnt think it was a smp boost |
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| 14:15.37 | redguy_ | abrotman: but still: suppose I have a box in my lan which I don't want to give the gateway address. Do I have to put it on a different subnet? Seems that when the gateway address is declared for a subnet it is being sent to clients declared in "host {..}" belonging to that subnet, unless the "host" declaration contains "option routers some_ip" |
| 14:15.58 | aeho | etcrash.log didn't tell anything: Received signal 1, exiting... |
| 14:16.02 | abrotman | redguy_: then don't give it a dhcp address .. |
| 14:16.15 | pouet78 | who did the database part on nagios 2.x version ? |
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| 14:16.31 | redguy_ | abrotman: so it's a "can't-do" ? |
| 14:16.34 | PerfDave | pouet78: It's up to the mainatianer of the Debian package whether or not they wish to continue to maintain it. |
| 14:16.37 | zxclkjqwe | aeho: how about /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
| 14:16.58 | PerfDave | greycat: Is that not right then? |
| 14:17.09 | furrywolf | http://www.hakkousa.com/lead-free/sHJ3100_LL-setup.jpg <== ok, that's one of the more scary looking devices I've seen in a while. |
| 14:17.27 | dos000 | anyone can take a look at this xinetd logs and tell me what is going on ? its supposed to start tfptd which is the only service configured. http://pastebin.ca/11892 ? |
| 14:17.37 | thingfish | Administrator__: you see overall computer "responsiveness" increase when doing multiple tasks with HT/SMP systems. |
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| 14:18.19 | abrotman | redguy_: to have dhcpd not give a router ? |
| 14:18.23 | greycat | PerfDave: if you want both stdout and stderr of a process to go to the same logfile: command >logfile 2>&1 |
| 14:18.23 | aeho | zxclkjqwe, dunno, I don't understand that log |
| 14:18.25 | abrotman | redguy_: or just to one client ? |
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| 14:18.42 | redguy_ | abrotman: just to one client |
| 14:18.51 | greycat | PerfDave: putting the 2>&1 first has a very different effect. |
| 14:18.51 | SiliconViper | . |
| 14:19.01 | Administrator__ | thingfish, yeah but smp and hyperthreading are somewhat different...will smp work the same as intended? |
| 14:19.28 | thingfish | Administrator__: I'm not finding any p4 755s anywhere. Do you have a link? |
| 14:19.35 | PerfDave | greycat: Fair enough, I can never remember which way round it goes :) |
| 14:19.56 | Administrator__ | thingfish, its the brand new 3g+ chips...755 socket i think it is....latest thing |
| 14:20.01 | directhex|work | 2>&2 ! |
| 14:20.11 | Administrator__ | thingfish, on a 915 mobo hehe |
| 14:20.15 | abrotman | redguy_: not that i'm aware |
| 14:20.36 | thingfish | OK, found it, looks like yours 755 is not HT. |
| 14:20.43 | thingfish | *your |
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| 14:20.57 | directhex|work | 755 sounds like a dothan |
| 14:21.07 | thingfish | it's a Pentiium M. |
| 14:21.15 | PerfDave | Is a Dothan something from Star Wars? |
| 14:21.16 | directhex|work | that's what i said ^_^ |
| 14:21.31 | directhex|work | dothan is the name of the current pentium-m core, superceding Banias |
| 14:21.36 | thingfish | oh, sorry, I don't know the names. |
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| 14:22.04 | directhex|work | 2ghz dothan? not cheap ¬_¬ |
| 14:22.05 | thingfish | ok, thanks, directhex|work, I obviously need to get more current with my reading. |
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| 14:22.20 | directhex|work | http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_5675.html |
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| 14:22.41 | Ungy | man I can't remeber the chmod for anyone can read but only group can edit |
| 14:22.58 | redguy_ | abrotman, greycat, furrywolf : thanks guys |
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| 14:23.20 | mtnman | ungy: man chmod ? |
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| 14:24.39 | Ungy | mtnman yeah you want me more confused |
| 14:24.46 | Isildur | hello, anyone knows a good irc channel for java (programming) related questions? |
| 14:24.52 | directhex|work | #java ? |
| 14:24.54 | furrywolf | #java? |
| 14:24.54 | mtnman | ungy: no, i want you to look up the syntax. |
| 14:24.55 | Ungy | try #java |
| 14:25.00 | Isildur | nobody there |
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| 14:25.20 | Ungy | mtnman I know the syntax but the actual code description there blows |
| 14:25.35 | Ungy | and I can;t remeber teh man call to get teh good description either |
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| 14:25.57 | HelmutG | hi. could someone discard GuL because of querying joining users with ads: 16:24 <GuL> http://www.sexyteens.gen.ms Free Porno Videos |
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| 14:26.30 | jethro | HelmutG: use !ops to report such spam bots, and don't paste their URL in here please |
| 14:26.39 | directhex|work | HelmutG, try "!ops GuL is an onjoin pornospammomatic" |
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| 14:27.06 | HelmutG | back on topic: i've got nfs-user-server and a vanilla 2.6.9 when accessing files larger than 4GB i get ioerrors. |
| 14:27.43 | greycat | it's either an incompetent spambot, or a sneaky one |
| 14:27.46 | HelmutG | jethro: sorry. didn't know about that command. which bot can i query for help? |
| 14:28.22 | jethro | HelmutG:just read the topic as a start |
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| 14:28.54 | Ungy | greycat what do I need to message dpkg abotu to get the chmod code help? |
| 14:29.04 | HelmutG | good point. hum. the more interesting part was the nfs thing.why do i get ioerrors for files larger than 4GB? |
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| 14:29.27 | greycat | I'm amazed you got files over 2 GB to work at all. |
| 14:29.39 | Determinist | anyone with a solution to my i8k problem? please? |
| 14:29.41 | IDC | I have a question please,in /etc/rc2.d/ ,all itmes there start with letter 'S' will run at starkup ? i think so |
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| 14:29.51 | greycat | IDC: yes... |
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| 14:30.07 | jethro | IDC: man sysvinit |
| 14:30.15 | jethro | s/man/read about/ |
| 14:30.16 | HelmutG | greycat: what does that mean? i've no files between 2GB and 4GB. ;) |
| 14:30.20 | aardvark | HelmutG: the fucking turkey spam syndicate thanks you for helping them spam the channel. |
| 14:30.21 | greycat | HelmutG: ah. |
| 14:30.26 | Squidward_ | damn how do i get a list whit proceses from all users (not ps x) |
| 14:30.28 | IDC | greycat, besides,from doing 'rcconf' there the itmes in the list are same as long as them in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 14:30.42 | greycat | Squidward_: ps ax |
| 14:30.52 | HelmutG | greycat: so any workarounds known? |
| 14:31.10 | Squidward_ | greycat: thanks, but there was another one.. |
| 14:31.24 | greycat | Squidward_: man ps |
| 14:31.30 | IDC | greenfly, but i have 2 items in /etc/rc2.d/ that i do not see them in 'rcconf' ,they are 'S99rmnologin' and ' S99stop-bootlogd' |
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| 14:31.41 | IDC | greenfly, oh,sorry,wrong person |
| 14:31.52 | IDC | i meant to greycat :) |
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| 14:32.13 | Ungy | mtnman 0765? |
| 14:32.17 | greycat | I don't use rcconf. |
| 14:32.22 | blafard | syslog and kern.log are empty. I have tried restarting them in init.d. Why would this happen? |
| 14:32.34 | Squidward_ | greycat: yeah that was it thanks |
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| 14:32.57 | Ungy | aha 0775 |
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| 14:33.10 | mtnman | ungy: well done! |
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| 14:33.28 | TuX_MaN | re |
| 14:33.29 | Ungy | mtnman see this is what I needed http://www.phpbbsupport.co.uk/kbart5.php&sid=0e82ad1b6b81c26f3398bfb07c890111 |
| 14:33.40 | IDC | greycat, hmm but do you know what are those 2 itmes now in /etc/rc2.d/S99rmnologin and /etc/rc2.d/S99stop-bootlogd |
| 14:33.44 | Ungy | a description like that shoudl be in man |
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| 14:34.09 | mtnman | ungy: i had a feeling you were resourceful enough to answer your own question. now you will never have to ask anyone about chmod again. |
| 14:34.13 | HelmutG | so what methods are there to make files accesible over network? |
| 14:34.25 | tarzeau | HelmutG: NFS |
| 14:34.25 | IDC | S99rmnologin -> ../init.d/rmnologin |
| 14:34.39 | Ungy | mtnman you kidding me I ask at least once a month cause everytime I find a link like this it goes down |
| 14:34.40 | HelmutG | tarzeau: oh. sorry. i omited the word large. |
| 14:34.42 | tarzeau | HelmutG: FTP, HTTP, SMB, SCP, RSYNC |
| 14:34.50 | tarzeau | HelmutG: NFS also works with large files |
| 14:34.57 | HelmutG | tarzeau: tell me how, please. |
| 14:34.57 | dos000 | anyone used tftpd before ??? i can seem to get it to work. the darn thing (usr/sbin/in.tftpd) returns nothing. no debug no nothing and limited options !!! |
| 14:34.58 | tarzeau | so does HTTP |
| 14:35.04 | tarzeau | HelmutG: just mount and copy? |
| 14:35.05 | IDC | S99stop-bootlogd -> ../init.d/stop-bootlogd |
| 14:35.06 | tarzeau | HelmutG: how large |
| 14:35.09 | mtnman | ungy: save the page to a local file. |
| 14:35.40 | simonrvn | ohnoz!!! |
| 14:35.42 | HelmutG | tarzeau: nfs yield ioerrors on >2GB, apache does set false content-length headers when >2GB, wget asserts when >2GB. |
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| 14:35.47 | mtnman | ungy: or buy a unix book. |
| 14:36.01 | HelmutG | tarzeau: curl refuses to use broken apaches. |
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| 14:36.13 | tarzeau | HelmutG: i see |
| 14:36.19 | jharrisonwk | HelmutG: ftp? scp? |
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| 14:36.25 | HelmutG | tarzeau: scp and rsync are for copying, not enough space. |
| 14:36.32 | HelmutG | ftp is a good point. |
| 14:36.34 | Ungy | mtnman Unix books are pricey |
| 14:36.40 | IDC | strange... |
| 14:36.47 | mtnman | ungy: saving the page only costs disk space. |
| 14:36.58 | Ungy | I did save it thanks |
| 14:36.59 | IDC | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 May 12 21:00 stop-bootlogd -> bootlogd |
| 14:37.04 | mtnman | welcome |
| 14:37.15 | IDC | That is strange,huh ? |
| 14:37.19 | Sypher | hey guys ... a net problem ... i have a pc, 2 net cards both are with a ip in the same network ... i want to enable masquerading for the rest of the network to a router, so the router only see one pc connecting while the others are invisible. is that possible? if so, how ? |
| 14:37.21 | j_k | dos000: have you tried getting some file with the tftp client ? does it fail ? if so, what does grep tftp /var/log/syslog | tail say ? |
| 14:37.23 | jharrisonwk | Ungy: there are unix books online |
| 14:37.48 | Ungy | jharrisonwk reading books online is torturous |
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| 14:37.57 | jharrisonwk | Ungy: but cheaper? |
| 14:38.02 | mtnman | sypher: apt-cache show ipmasq |
| 14:38.07 | Ungy | anyways I am going back to reading the advanced bash scripting book online now |
| 14:38.23 | jharrisonwk | Ungy: have fun |
| 14:38.46 | Sypher | mtnman, the problem is that its on the same network. both cards are on the same network |
| 14:38.58 | Sypher | so now normal masquerading isnt working ... |
| 14:39.20 | takatumi | Ungy: that's available as a debian package. |
| 14:39.25 | mtnman | sypher: why not set up a second private network? |
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| 14:39.38 | Sypher | mtnman, cant ... :/ |
| 14:39.40 | dos000 | j_k, care to take a look at http://pastebin.ca/11892 ? its the xinet logs when i ran it standalone. also syslog has nothing about tftp |
| 14:39.55 | Sypher | i have the necessity to have the router only see one pc connecting to the internet. |
| 14:39.56 | takatumi | err.. guide. |
| 14:39.59 | blafard | syslog and kern.log are empty. I have changed nothing in syslog.conf but recently updated my kernel. Why would this happen? |
| 14:40.07 | Sypher | not all the others (thatt are anyway on the same network) |
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| 14:42.01 | dos000 | j_k, at the client side i always get request timed out. i even tried running netcat on the server so i see the request coming ! |
| 14:42.12 | j_k | dos000: does tftpd log anything to syslog ? |
| 14:42.17 | jasoncohen | is their an ms ttf package for debian? I needed to install the msfonts package on mdk before i got normal line spacing in openoffice and i'm having the same problem now |
| 14:43.13 | j_k | dos000: try tcpdump too, maybe |
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| 14:43.24 | takatumi | jasoncohen: msttcorefonts |
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| 14:44.55 | jasoncohen | takatumi, thanks |
| 14:44.58 | valdyn | Sypher: you make your masquerading box the default router ( for 0.0.0.0/32 ),enable masquerading for all outbound connections, nothing special about it.. |
| 14:45.18 | valdyn | Sypher: ops, for 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 14:46.01 | Sypher | valdyn, wait |
| 14:46.05 | Sypher | hum |
| 14:46.10 | Sypher | may i pm ya to explain in detail ? |
| 14:46.34 | valdyn | Sypher: though masquerading from router to router in the same network doesnt really make much sense.. |
| 14:46.44 | Sypher | it does for me |
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| 14:46.52 | Sypher | since the router only accepts 20 ip to NAT |
| 14:46.59 | Sypher | but i want the whole network to be natted |
| 14:47.09 | valdyn | Sypher: ok |
| 14:47.24 | jethro | Sypher: per IP licensing model? |
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| 14:47.47 | [work]brina | how do I make a new user? |
| 14:47.52 | Sypher | jethro, dont know |
| 14:47.59 | mtnman | brina: adduser |
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| 14:48.06 | Sypher | i only know that the router in question only nats ip from 10.0.0.50 to 77 |
| 14:48.11 | Sypher | and i need also the others to be natted. |
| 14:48.14 | rope | [work] brina: (or sexual intercourse ;-) |
| 14:48.14 | Sypher | but i dont know how ^_^ |
| 14:48.35 | mtnman | sypher: i don't see why you are averse to setting up a second private network behind the router you are building. |
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| 14:49.22 | Sypher | mtnman, cuz i cant |
| 14:49.23 | Sypher | its work here |
| 14:49.27 | Sypher | cant change networks as i want |
| 14:49.28 | Sypher | :) |
| 14:49.43 | valdyn | mtnman: not necessary, nor would it make things easier |
| 14:50.06 | Administrator__ | what is that command i give in /usr/src to create the symling linux for the kernel headers? |
| 14:50.16 | Administrator__ | ln -n? |
| 14:50.22 | redguy_ | ln -s |
| 14:50.49 | suppahsrv | man ln |
| 14:50.54 | jasoncohen | takatumi, that seems to have fixed my font problems- thanks |
| 14:50.57 | directhex|work | Administrator__, ln -s, though it shouldn't be neccessary |
| 14:51.14 | simonrvn | Administrator__: you don't really need it... |
| 14:51.22 | mtnman | sypher: you can enable ip-forwarding in the box w/2 nics by adding "ip_forward=yes" to /etc/network/options. that would be a first step... |
| 14:51.50 | Administrator__ | cool well i made it anyways hehe... |
| 14:52.11 | Sypher | mtnman, yea already did that |
| 14:52.16 | Administrator__ | i think it was for something i needed a while back and just had written in notes |
| 14:52.19 | blafard | syslog and kern.log are empty. Can anyone help me? |
| 14:52.21 | j_k | dos000: also, as a side-comment, i need something along the lines of 'iptables -A PREROUTING -p udp --dport tftp -d 0.0.0.0 -j DNAT --to-dest=my.tftp.serv.ip' to netboot my sparc IPX. |
| 14:52.21 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: sorry: http://www.bash.org/?500728 |
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| 14:52.36 | dukez | hi |
| 14:52.48 | dukez | i'm experiencing problem using sshd with a 2.6 kernel |
| 14:53.05 | dukez | I can't login, and on the server, sshd shows "@notty" |
| 14:53.08 | mtnman | sypher: then set the clients to use the ip of the second interface as the default gateway, while the first interface connects to the big bad internet. |
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| 14:53.50 | dos000 | j_k, that on the server ? |
| 14:53.58 | valdyn | dukez: ll /dev/pts/ |
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| 14:54.02 | valdyn | dukez: ls /dev/pts/ |
| 14:54.05 | Administrator__ | well this nvidia installer seems much easier 8) |
| 14:54.17 | jarjar26 | Hi all ! I have problem with cups on Debian Sid ... when i type http://192.168.0.45:631 on client, i got the interface, when i click printer the cpu of server goes 100% :( |
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| 14:54.47 | dukez | valdyn: 0 |
| 14:54.51 | valdyn | dukez: on the server. |
| 14:54.59 | dos000 | j_k, now (thanks to you) i am getting timeout but i see that tftp is trying to fetch the file via the syslogs ! |
| 14:55.00 | valdyn | dukez: try "mount /dev/pts |
| 14:55.03 | valdyn | dukez: try "mount /dev/pts" |
| 14:55.06 | tarzeau | jarjar26: haha that sucks |
| 14:55.07 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: :-P |
| 14:55.14 | dukez | valdyn: not in fstab |
| 14:55.29 | valdyn | dukez: did you try that command? i know its not in fstab |
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| 14:55.34 | Sypher | mtnman, yea will do that thanks |
| 14:55.44 | dukez | valdyn: I tried it |
| 14:55.47 | mtnman | sypher: good luck. |
| 14:55.47 | dukez | valdyn: not working |
| 14:55.52 | rope | jarjar26: have you got "Browsing ON" in your cupsd.conf? |
| 14:55.52 | Sypher | lol thanks :D |
| 14:56.07 | Administrator__ | dont suppose theres a secret ivtv deb package around? |
| 14:56.23 | Administrator__ | !ivtv |
| 14:56.35 | jarjar26 | rope, no |
| 14:56.36 | valdyn | dukez: /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs |
| 14:56.44 | incorrect | i have set up openvpn, the client machine has been assigned an ip of .6 however the server believes the client machines exists on .2, |
| 14:56.50 | dukez | valdyn: I don't have this file |
| 14:57.00 | simonrvn | Administrator__: if it's in debian, it's in there, and it wouldn't be secret |
| 14:57.11 | valdyn | dukez: which debian release are you running? |
| 14:57.13 | jarjar26 | rope, is enable by default |
| 14:57.18 | rope | jarjar26: well, you have to set "Browsing Off" by hand (it defaults to ON) |
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| 14:57.33 | dukez | valdyn: sarge, upgraded today from woody |
| 14:57.36 | Administrator__ | simonrvn, i think it has license issues....not usre but its video capture cards with mpeg chips etc |
| 14:57.57 | valdyn | dukez: obviously not properly upgraded, i cant tell if that is your fault or not |
| 14:57.59 | rope | jarjar26: + restart the cupsd afterwards... |
| 14:58.00 | Administrator__ | simonrvn, only perl script toold for it in sarge |
| 14:58.14 | valdyn | !tell dukez about woody->sarge |
| 14:58.23 | valdyn | dukez: that file is in the package "initscripts" |
| 14:58.25 | abrotman | just in case you didn't know .. laptop drive i/o sucks |
| 14:58.28 | jarjar26 | rope, i have put no for browsing, restart cups, and i have again same issue, cpu 99% ... :( |
| 14:58.38 | dukez | valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 14:58.59 | dukez | valdyn: it's not up to date, let's see |
| 14:59.06 | valdyn | !info initscripts |
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| 14:59.14 | dpkg | initscripts: (Standard scripts needed for booting and shutting down), section base, is required. Version: 2.86.ds1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
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| 14:59.36 | jjuarez | any body conversed in spanish |
| 14:59.37 | dukez | valdyn: yeah! |
| 14:59.42 | dukez | valdyn: it's working, thank a lot ! |
| 14:59.42 | mtnman | !es |
| 14:59.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:59.50 | rope | jarjar26: it should be Off, not No, and also uncoment the line.... |
| 14:59.51 | valdyn | dukez: follow what dpkg told you also, having half woody half sarge will be messy again, sooner or later.. |
| 15:00.02 | jarjar26 | rope, oups yes i have put off |
| 15:00.12 | dukez | valdyn: ok, so i'm upgradinig everything before leaving |
| 15:00.12 | Administrator__ | simonrvn, in meaning secret i mean like the mplayer ones ...not as easy to find without an irc channel to look at |
| 15:00.18 | jarjar26 | rope, Browsing Off |
| 15:00.39 | rope | jarjar26: and no # at the front of the line... |
| 15:00.44 | jarjar26 | rope, no |
| 15:00.50 | valdyn | dukez: yea and do exactly what dpkg said, useing apt-get instead of aptitude might still be messy |
| 15:00.50 | mtnman | administrator__: new invention for finding stuff ... "search engine" |
| 15:01.00 | dukez | valdyn: ok, i'm installing aptitude too |
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| 15:01.17 | giupy | is there something like amule for console ? |
| 15:02.19 | rope | jarjar26: cannot thing of anything more... |
| 15:02.27 | jarjar26 | :( |
| 15:02.32 | rope | (thing=think) |
| 15:02.45 | jarjar26 | rope, thanks for your time |
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| 15:03.01 | karim | jarjar26, die |
| 15:03.09 | karim | JarJarBinks, die too |
| 15:03.23 | jarjar26 | karim, sure ? |
| 15:03.33 | karim | lol |
| 15:03.35 | [Granger] | how do you install grub using the Sarge installer? |
| 15:03.51 | tarzeau | [Granger]: it's installed by default |
| 15:04.05 | [Granger] | tarzeau: I'm not installing the os at the same time |
| 15:04.18 | tarzeau | [Granger]: then install it not using the sarge installer |
| 15:04.30 | [Granger] | tarzeau: hmm? |
| 15:04.36 | [Granger] | what do you mean by that? |
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| 15:04.54 | tarzeau | what are you trying to do? |
| 15:05.00 | blafard | syslog and kern.log are empty. Can anyone help me? |
| 15:05.11 | angie | hello anyone from Poland please? |
| 15:05.12 | [Granger] | tarzeau: say I install windows after I put debian on |
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| 15:05.15 | tarzeau | !po |
| 15:05.15 | dpkg | hmm... po is Piss Off or Post Office |
| 15:05.16 | tarzeau | !pl |
| 15:05.17 | dpkg | somebody said pl was sometimes referred to as "packet loss" |
| 15:05.18 | abrotman | !it |
| 15:05.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 15:05.19 | petemc | angie: /who |
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| 15:05.28 | [Granger] | windows overwrites my grub |
| 15:05.31 | [Granger] | and I want to put it back |
| 15:05.38 | tarzeau | [Granger]: that's fine. just fix grub, using grub-install /the/harddisk |
| 15:05.48 | hayden | !en |
| 15:05.48 | dpkg | english, you twit |
| 15:05.57 | [Granger] | tarzeau: from CD1 of sarge? |
| 15:06.00 | angie | petemc: sorry I don't know how to use /who :-) |
| 15:06.00 | tarzeau | you need a system that can run grub-install (not necessarily on the hd |
| 15:06.06 | tarzeau | [Granger]: no i don't think you can do that |
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| 15:06.15 | petemc | angie: now would be a good time to learn then |
| 15:06.17 | tarzeau | [Granger]: it works with this one for sure, http://livecd.gnustep.org |
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| 15:06.37 | [Granger] | tarzeau: I'm guessing Knoppix has it too |
| 15:06.38 | tarzeau | blafard: you want to write stuff into it? did you mess the permissions? |
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| 15:06.45 | [Granger] | and /the/hd refers to the hd where my /boot is |
| 15:06.46 | tarzeau | [Granger]: yes that should work, try look here |
| 15:06.47 | [Granger] | right? |
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| 15:07.04 | blafard | tarzeau: /dev/log is srw-rw-rw- |
| 15:07.06 | tarzeau | [Granger]: www.linuks.mine.nu/ssh/ |
| 15:07.25 | tarzeau | blafard: how is that relevant? |
| 15:07.25 | takatumi | [Granger]: info grub is a good read. especially the numbering from 0 |
| 15:07.27 | [Granger] | tarzeau: huh? |
| 15:07.33 | Administrator__ | cool thats the debian nvidia driver all installed 8) |
| 15:07.36 | tarzeau | [Granger]: just read the chroot/grub-install p art |
| 15:07.37 | blafard | well, which permissions did you mean? |
| 15:07.50 | [Granger] | right |
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| 15:08.45 | incorrect | would would open vpn add the P-t-P ip address as the route to a clients network, ? |
| 15:08.53 | takatumi | echo echo |
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| 15:09.01 | Administrator__ | still cant get this damn ich6 audio to work right tho 8(... |
| 15:09.02 | blafard | tarzeau: basically everything in /var/log is rw-r----- |
| 15:09.27 | takatumi | Administrator__: alsa? |
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| 15:10.37 | angie | petemc: :-) i'll learn.. would you help me? |
| 15:11.05 | Administrator__ | takatumi, yeah..it's meant to be an inte8x0 or azx driver but neither work....need ot go to 0.9 version i thinks |
| 15:11.35 | simonrvn | um, i wouldn't even touch any version under 0.9 |
| 15:11.52 | directhex|work | Administrator__, which kernel, which debian? |
| 15:12.24 | Administrator__ | sare 2.6.8-2 |
| 15:12.29 | Administrator__ | sarge rather |
| 15:12.50 | directhex|work | sarge has alsa 1.0.8 |
| 15:12.52 | petemc | angie: sure - /help who |
| 15:13.03 | Administrator__ | modprobe intel8x0 works im a meber of the audi group pcm-oos is loaded....device doesnt exist...no mixers |
| 15:13.20 | Administrator__ | pardon my typing...this is the dodgy keyboard hehe |
| 15:13.34 | simonrvn | intel8x0 isn't alsa, probably snd-intel8x0 or something |
| 15:13.37 | j_k | Administrator__: does your card show up in /proc/asound ? |
| 15:13.58 | Administrator__ | directhex|work, apparently some distros have 1.0.8 that work weith it...some dont and need higher |
| 15:14.01 | simonrvn | anything with snd- is alsa, without it it might be, but likely it's OSS |
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| 15:14.25 | Administrator__ | j.k atm nothings probed do i need to probe to check? |
| 15:15.54 | j_k | Administrator__: simonrvn is right, you probably need to 'rmmod intel8x0; modprobe snd-intel8x0' |
| 15:16.19 | directhex|work | there is no intel8x0 module |
| 15:16.19 | simonrvn | modprobe -r foo; modprobe bar |
| 15:16.20 | dos000 | how come there is no option in debian (unstable) version of tftpd there is no way to set the timeout ? |
| 15:16.24 | directhex|work | it's i810_audio for oss |
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| 15:16.35 | elirips | wasn't there once an amule package in sarge? if i do an 'apt-get install amule' it says i already have the newest version, but a seach on packages.debian.org doesn't get any results? |
| 15:16.36 | directhex|work | snd-intel8x0 or i810_audio |
| 15:16.42 | simonrvn | ok |
| 15:16.47 | blafard | syslog and kern.log are empty. Can anyone help me? |
| 15:16.48 | JarJarBinks | karim: thanks for the kind words |
| 15:17.03 | j_k | dos000: your timeout error probably indicates a communication problem rather than a too short timeout. |
| 15:17.12 | greycat | elirips: it's possible. Things got removed from sarge for the freeze if they had RC bugs. |
| 15:17.34 | j_k | dos000: does tcpdump on the server show any reply from the tftp server (it should.) |
| 15:17.51 | lazymanc | how do I identify which debian version i'm running? |
| 15:17.58 | lazymanc | i.e. woody / sarge etc |
| 15:17.59 | greycat | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:18.03 | lazymanc | thx |
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| 15:18.10 | Eclipser | !thx |
| 15:18.11 | elirips | greycat: do i understand that right, as sarge has been frozen now, what is not in sarge right now will never get into sarge anymore? |
| 15:18.11 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 15:18.16 | directhex|work | a quick source code grep suggests 2.6.8 ought to support ICH6 audio, via snd-intel8x0 |
| 15:18.16 | dos000 | j_k, there cant be i just rechecked all my iptables rules as well ! i never tried tcpdum tho |
| 15:18.23 | Administrator__ | ok i have modprobe snd-intel8x0 and then lsmod....want me to paste in flod? |
| 15:18.30 | conga | can we install gtk2 on woody |
| 15:18.31 | simonrvn | grepping sources.list is more accurate |
| 15:18.31 | greycat | elirips: they can be added by special permission from the release master |
| 15:18.31 | conga | ? |
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| 15:18.42 | greycat | conga: why would you? it's a server OS. |
| 15:18.46 | karim | JarJarBinks, http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Heights/5927/jarjar.html |
| 15:18.50 | greycat | surely you don't need gtk2 apps on a server box. |
| 15:18.58 | j_k | Administrator__: rather check wether 'ls /proc/asound' shows your soundcard. |
| 15:18.59 | conga | oh |
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| 15:19.04 | conga | :D |
| 15:19.06 | conga | i see |
| 15:19.16 | conga | thx greycat |
| 15:19.43 | elirips | greycat: when sarge becomes stable, unstable becomes testing, right? so as all my sources.list entries point to testing, i will suddenly get things that are in unstable at the moment if i don't change my list to 'stable' then? |
| 15:19.47 | lazymanc | ok my version is 3.1 - is that woody or sarge or sid?? |
| 15:19.56 | Administrator__ | j.k that shows cards devices modules oss pcm seq timers version |
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| 15:20.07 | jethro | lazymanc: can be sarge or sid |
| 15:20.09 | directhex|work | elirips, unstable remains unstable, new testing (etch) is created |
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| 15:20.21 | lazymanc | it was from a debian quickstart net install |
| 15:20.23 | directhex|work | elirips, if you want to follow sarge, change sources.list to follow sarge |
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| 15:20.43 | greycat | lazymanc: 3.1 is sarge-ish. |
| 15:20.47 | jethro | lazymanc: where did you get it? |
| 15:21.02 | greycat | lazymanc: make sure your sources.list says 'testing' or 'sarge', and not 'unstable' or 'sid'. |
| 15:21.08 | lazymanc | off the debian site I think |
| 15:21.19 | elirips | directhex|work: well, if the new testing becomes as stable as the one i am using right now i will most probably stay with testing.. or would that be stupid? |
| 15:21.47 | simonrvn | depends what the box is used for |
| 15:21.48 | lazymanc | it says testing |
| 15:21.52 | j_k | Administrator__: then your card isn't detected. Try dmesg to read the kernel messages when inserting snd=intel8x0. Did you remove the old module ? |
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| 15:22.18 | mtnman | elirips: the current testing branch is more stable than usual, since it is frozen and nearly ready for release. |
| 15:22.19 | jethro | elirips: that would all depend on your use of the system you're talking about. for a desktop, you will not want to stick with stable |
| 15:22.23 | Administrator__ | j_k, fresh boot no mods loaded relating to sound |
| 15:22.59 | cahoot | Administrator__: if /proc/asound/cards lists your card - it's 'detected' by alsa |
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| 15:23.39 | elirips | jethro: okay, i am using it as my workstation where i do all the staff i need at university. so i will most probably just leave everything in sources.list as it is right now, pointint to stable. but won't the new testing be almost empty in the beginning? |
| 15:23.56 | Administrator__ | nothing in dmesg after network came up seems no message from modules at all? |
| 15:24.17 | elirips | i never really understood how things work with this experimental - unstable - testing - stable, etc... think i need some reading now.. :P |
| 15:24.18 | mtnman | elirips: new testing is basically a copy of unstable at the time it is created. |
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| 15:24.36 | jethro | elirips: what are you concerned with? getting the latest software available? or have a server like stable environment, with outdated packages for a desktop? |
| 15:24.50 | dos000 | j_k, it looks like tftp is never replying to the request ! nothing is going the other way ! |
| 15:25.05 | jethro | elirips: read on debian.org about the releases |
| 15:25.16 | jethro | elirips: and also about the different debianflavours |
| 15:25.19 | blafard | syslog and kern.log are empty. Can anyone help me? |
| 15:25.21 | jethro | s/nf/n f/ |
| 15:25.33 | jethro | !tell blafard -about smart questions |
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| 15:25.36 | jethro | !tell blafard -about repeat |
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| 15:25.56 | Administrator__ | well it would appear the intel 8x0 doesnt work in sarge 1.0.8 as of yet....ill write bug up |
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| 15:26.16 | Administrator__ | there was a bug on the ich6 sata also which they ficced recently maybe its related |
| 15:26.26 | elirips | jethro: i would like to have a workstation that has new software on it, but not so new that everything crashes after each update.. i've been using woody first, but then was unhappy because everything was so old, later changed to sid and everyting broke, now i've been using testing for one year or so and i am happy with it.. |
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| 15:26.38 | Administrator__ | guess tommorow will be comile 1.0.9 day for me hehe |
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| 15:27.02 | mtnman | elirips: beware that testing normally does not have security updates. |
| 15:27.21 | Administrator__ | how do i turn on remote xsessions? i have another laptop here that i could connect with |
| 15:27.31 | mtnman | elirips: testing currently does have security updates, however. |
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| 15:28.35 | jethro | elirips: sid is for experienced users / morons / or debian developpers |
| 15:28.44 | mtnman | administrator__: you'll need to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config to allow remote X connections. |
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| 15:28.58 | conga | sid has security updates? |
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| 15:29.08 | blafard | I updated my kernel to 2.6.10 a little while ago and now syslog and kern.log are empty. I changed nothing in syslog.conf, and I don't think that's the problem because auth.log is still updating. Both syslogd and klogd appear to be running, and I have tried restarting both. Can anyone help me? |
| 15:29.10 | aardvark | !sid faq |
| 15:29.10 | dpkg | methinks sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:29.12 | greycat | conga: not as such. |
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| 15:30.06 | conga | ah |
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| 15:30.32 | dicle | hi, when I try to mount my cdrom nautilus gives an error saying that /media/cdrom0 does not exist. how can I fix that? |
| 15:30.33 | mtnman | administrator__: you'll need to add "X11Forwarding yes" to /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 15:31.16 | jethro | dicle: mkdir /media/cdrom0 ? |
| 15:31.17 | starscalling | goes to work |
| 15:31.35 | dicle | jethro, yes but it disappears on reboot |
| 15:31.40 | jethro | n /media? |
| 15:31.45 | mtnman | dicle: edit /etc/fstab |
| 15:31.46 | elirips | jethro: so it is definitly not for me :) |
| 15:31.46 | jethro | weird |
| 15:31.52 | jethro | elirips: indeed |
| 15:31.59 | dicle | jethro, media stays |
| 15:32.05 | elirips | mtnman: well, how afraid should i be about that security updates missing? |
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| 15:32.40 | mtnman | elirips: if it is a production environment with lot of users, very. |
| 15:32.42 | elirips | jethro: guess i am just the "normal" dumb-user, that can read a man-page, understands half of it, but who is just happy if i can do an apt-get isntall xyz and have what i need in a more or less new version ;) |
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| 15:33.10 | elirips | mtnman: it is my personal laptop where i just do my university work on it.. |
| 15:33.18 | dos000 | j_k, i see (via tcpdump) that the tftpd server is replying to the client however the packets being sent back are all samll packets .. not sure what is hapening here. |
| 15:33.20 | jethro | elirips: testing is probably what your want for a desktop use then |
| 15:33.29 | cinix | Is there a kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8? |
| 15:33.31 | cinix | oops. |
| 15:33.33 | cinix | meant 2.6.7 |
| 15:34.03 | doub | elirips: remove all internet servers, it's where you'll get the most of trouble |
| 15:34.06 | jethro | cinix: how bout you apt-cache search ? |
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| 15:34.19 | dicle | i guess I have to edit some udev conf files to add a /media/cdrom0 on reboot but could not find out which one to edit |
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| 15:34.37 | mtnman | elirips: you'll have to evaluate your situation for yourself. you know what is best for yourself. |
| 15:34.40 | cinix | I did it's not there. |
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| 15:35.17 | mtnman | !security |
| 15:35.17 | dpkg | security is probably Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Unstable is usually kept up-to-date without having a separate place to download from. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". for non-us security add "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" to your ... |
| 15:35.51 | mtnman | !security testing |
| 15:35.58 | elirips | doub: i should have none of them.. i only use samba from time-to-time and proftpd from time-to-time but then i have to start them first to make them work. |
| 15:36.02 | es0 | Does anyone have a recommendation for a modem to use for dialup from a debian box? |
| 15:36.07 | mtnman | !testing security |
| 15:36.07 | dpkg | testing security is, like, less secure than sid, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-0102/msg00159.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0102/msg00635.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0102/msg00723.html |
| 15:36.09 | mortal | non-software |
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| 15:36.30 | mtnman | es0: any non-winmodem. |
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| 15:36.47 | doub | elirips: just look at what netstat -lptu says, and disable any server connected to the internet |
| 15:36.50 | mtnman | es0: if the modem says it works for dos then you're okay. |
| 15:37.00 | mihaly | where is the boot log located? |
| 15:37.01 | thebug | es0: external modems are the absolute best bet |
| 15:37.05 | drac | (Sarge security is up.) |
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| 15:37.48 | jethro | !beer tabbuddy |
| 15:38.04 | es0 | mntman, thanks that's the best bit of info I've seen! |
| 15:38.20 | mtnman | es0: you're very welcome. |
| 15:38.23 | greycat | thebug: external *serial* modems. |
| 15:38.26 | greycat | they make USB modems now... *shudder* |
| 15:38.28 | thebug | greycat: good call |
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| 15:38.32 | cinix | wow that link about testing security is ancient |
| 15:38.38 | thebug | I don't use USB, so that hadn't occured to me :) |
| 15:38.52 | es0 | Hmm I'm not sure I have a serial port. I'll have to check on that. |
| 15:38.55 | greycat | cinix: yeah, it's a whole two weeks out of date!! |
| 15:39.02 | cinix | try 4 years |
| 15:39.04 | thebug | sad is the day you lack serial ports |
| 15:39.09 | elirips | doub: thanks for your tipp, but i need to read some docs about security first. but i must also say, why should i be afraid? is it really so easy to enter a testing-sytem? |
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| 15:39.30 | mtnman | eliripsa: depends. |
| 15:39.41 | greycat | sad is the day you have to run dial-up |
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| 15:40.01 | jetscreamer | it's that backwards video looking one |
| 15:40.01 | greycat | cinix: as of 2 weeks ago there was still no testing security. |
| 15:40.08 | greycat | cinix: so it's only 2 weeks obsolete |
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| 15:40.33 | thebug | greycat: good to see this channel is still hell in a handbasket ;) |
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| 15:41.00 | Ungy | wow man I have uploaded over 3 GB on the sarge disk one seed since Friday night |
| 15:41.03 | cinix | well refering to woody as being less secure then sid is certainly outdated |
| 15:41.04 | doub | elirips: no, but it might prove possible. so instead of having to reinstall everything, because of a breakin, even if really unlikely, just be on the safe side |
| 15:41.30 | greycat | dpkg, no, testing security is <reply> Testing *finally* has security updates. (This was one of the prerequisites for sarge's freeze.) Try "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main" (add " contrib non-free" if you like). |
| 15:41.31 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 15:41.53 | cinix | heh. |
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| 15:42.59 | elirips | doub: yes, you're right with that.. as soon as i have some time left i'll try to secure my system.. and that's exactly the problem.. 'time left'. why don't i have a sysadmin who takes care of this things :P |
| 15:43.34 | doub | elirips: i've one seen a "securing debian howto" somewhere, this might help |
| 15:43.35 | thebug | es0: in regards to -which- external serial modems, I've never had a single problem with USR sportster modems, up through their 56k stuff |
| 15:43.49 | simonrvn | there's one on the debian site |
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| 15:44.04 | abrotman | greycat: but does it really ? |
| 15:44.12 | jetscreamer | !info lokkit |
| 15:44.17 | dpkg | lokkit: (basic interactive firewall configuration tool (console interface)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.50.22-4 (sid), Packaged size: 126 kB, Installed size: 559 kB |
| 15:44.22 | _joey | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.25 | IDC | if you run ./configure and it says " bash: ./configure: No such file or directory |
| 15:44.26 | IDC | ,why is that ? |
| 15:44.38 | jetscreamer | there's not one? |
| 15:44.46 | IDC | jetscreamer, which ? |
| 15:44.58 | jetscreamer | either |
| 15:45.07 | greycat | abrotman: close enough. |
| 15:45.14 | jetscreamer | ls? |
| 15:45.15 | elirips | doub: well, thanks for your help/tipps. now i know what i have to do next weekend ;) |
| 15:45.21 | IDC | jetscreamer, in the source folder,there must be a file .config ? |
| 15:45.21 | jogla | ji-ja-jetscr, i-a-in thi-tha-the si-sa-sourc fi-fa-fold, mi-ma-must bi-ba-be i-a-a fi-fa-fil .ci-ca-conf ?i-a- |
| 15:45.22 | abrotman | greycat: i'll be skeptical until xlibs gets an update from security :) |
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| 15:46.02 | slushpupie | does anyone here use openafs? |
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| 15:46.12 | greycat | IDC: what the hell are you talking about? |
| 15:46.29 | jetscreamer | idc what are you compiling |
| 15:46.38 | jetscreamer | 8] <IDC> if you run ./configure and it says " bash: ./configure: No such file or directory |
| 15:46.40 | j_k | dos000: what's your tftp client ? |
| 15:46.50 | es0 | thebug, thanks.. I'll have to wait till tonight to verify I have a serial port. If I do, I'll probably follow your recommendation. |
| 15:46.57 | simonrvn | _joey: heh |
| 15:47.04 | jetscreamer | hey greycat help him out eh you know more and i gtg |
| 15:47.05 | IDC | jetscreamer, http://turck-mmcache.sourceforge.net/index_old.html#install |
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| 15:47.15 | IDC | hmm |
| 15:47.20 | jasoncohen | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free. Is that the correct sources.list entry for sarge? |
| 15:47.26 | catalyst4000 | hello |
| 15:47.45 | greycat | jasoncohen: not the PRIMARY. That's just the security updates. |
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| 15:48.03 | IDC | greycat, I am planning to install turckMMcache to speed up php |
| 15:48.13 | jasoncohen | greycat, i know |
| 15:48.21 | catalyst4000 | I'm having issues with Gaim drawing icons on my Debian box |
| 15:48.22 | greycat | IDC: have fun. |
| 15:48.23 | abrotman | ask #php ? |
| 15:48.23 | jasoncohen | and there don't seem to be any security updates yet |
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| 15:48.33 | IDC | but so strange,i follow the instructions from their home page..now im stuck here,it doesnt allow me to run ./configure |
| 15:48.34 | catalyst4000 | I did an apt-get upgrade or something of the sort |
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| 15:48.54 | catalyst4000 | and now I get blank buttons or buttons with the missing graphics icon |
| 15:48.57 | jasoncohen | catalyst, drawing icons on your desktop? |
| 15:49.04 | catalyst4000 | no, in the program |
| 15:49.19 | catalyst4000 | oh, and the system tray icon for gaim is blank too, it's there, but there's no image |
| 15:49.21 | jasoncohen | what version of gaim are you using? |
| 15:49.25 | catalyst4000 | 1.30 |
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| 15:49.32 | jasoncohen | so, you're on unstable? |
| 15:49.36 | catalyst4000 | yeah |
| 15:49.54 | jasoncohen | i'm using 1.3 without that issue |
| 15:50.07 | IDC | by the way,in debian i used apt-get install php4,so on earth where is the php installed ? i mean the folder |
| 15:50.15 | jasoncohen | i'm in testing. have you tried uninstalling it and reinstalling? |
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| 15:50.22 | jasoncohen | perhaps the install wasn't clean |
| 15:50.24 | catalyst4000 | yeah, using apt |
| 15:50.25 | simonrvn | IDC: which dir? |
| 15:50.36 | catalyst4000 | should I clear the apt cache or whatever, and try again? |
| 15:50.36 | greycat | !find bin/phpize! sarge |
| 15:50.37 | IDC | simonrvn, yes |
| 15:50.40 | greycat | err. |
| 15:50.43 | simonrvn | IDC: man dpkg. dpkg -L |
| 15:50.44 | greycat | !find bin/phpize$ sarge |
| 15:50.48 | catalyst4000 | i just did an apt-get remove gaim and apt-get install gaim |
| 15:51.09 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/phpize!' returned no results. |
| 15:51.11 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/phpize' returned no results. |
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| 15:51.30 | greycat | IDC: ask #php. |
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| 15:51.34 | IDC | greycat, that program needs me to specify that thing "phpize" too |
| 15:51.49 | simonrvn | !info phpize |
| 15:51.52 | greycat | !find bin/phpize$ sid |
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| 15:52.01 | simonrvn | err |
| 15:52.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/phpize' returned no results. |
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| 15:52.10 | simonrvn | !find phpize |
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| 15:52.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'phpize' (1): (/usr/bin/phpize4, /usr/lib/php4/build/phpize.m4) in devel/php4-dev. |
| 15:52.29 | simonrvn | ... |
| 15:52.43 | greycat | hey, let's rename all the programs in Debian to have numbers on 'em!! |
| 15:52.48 | IDC | hmm |
| 15:52.52 | jethro | php4-dev provides it |
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| 15:53.11 | jethro | too slow |
| 15:53.38 | IDC | I think i got it :) thanks,brb |
| 15:54.08 | jasoncohen | how long has the security team been providing security updates for sarge? |
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| 15:54.51 | greycat | jasoncohen: a few days, or less, depending on how you measure... |
| 15:55.02 | jethro | IDC: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file upgrade, then next time you're looking for a file, just type apt-file <pattern> |
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| 15:55.08 | jethro | hmm |
| 15:55.15 | jasoncohen | greycat, and they will stop providing security updates once sarge releses, right? |
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| 15:55.27 | jethro | you don't need an upgrade actually |
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| 15:55.49 | IDC | jethro, Thanks,i will try that |
| 15:55.54 | greycat | jasoncohen: hell no! stable has ALWAYS had security updates. |
| 15:55.54 | dpryo | Why would the stop providing security updates, jasoncohen? |
| 15:55.59 | drac | apt-file search .. |
| 15:56.07 | jasoncohen | lol- sorry i meant "testing" |
| 15:56.07 | IDC | strange,i do not have 'phpize' nor 'phpize4' |
| 15:56.17 | poncha|work | how can i change logon credetential on same ftp connection stream ? there is a command "user" , but if i issue it i get "You are already logged in" |
| 15:56.24 | greycat | IDC: did you install the package that two different beings have told you to install? |
| 15:56.48 | IDC | huh ? |
| 15:56.54 | dpryo | poncha|work: I think you'll have to end the session to log out. |
| 15:57.36 | IDC | greycat, i checked the install requirement at their home page,says i need 'apache 1.3, mod_php 4.1, autoconf, automake, libtool, m4 ' |
| 15:57.40 | simonrvn | IDC: um... no. php4-dev. scroll up |
| 15:57.53 | poncha|work | dpryo, then why is there user cmd availbale in protocol and issuable after logon within the client? (shouldnt i have it as unavailable after i logon first time?P |
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| 15:58.13 | greycat | IDC: read between the fucking lines. It says "run phpize". So find out where phpize is. We did that for you. |
| 15:58.15 | poncha|work | server help returns it |
| 15:58.15 | IDC | i have got apache,autoconf,automake,libtool,m4 all installed,but i have installed php4 not mod-php early |
| 15:58.15 | IDC | oh |
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| 15:58.35 | poncha|work | well, ok... gotta disconnect and reconnect again - so be it... :) |
| 15:58.41 | dpryo | :) |
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| 15:59.01 | IDC | I didn't notice ..let me install |
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| 16:02.22 | dicle | Which udev conf files do I have to edit in order to add a /media/cdrom0 on every boot? |
| 16:02.31 | IDC | should i use phpize or phpize4 ? |
| 16:02.37 | mozez | anybody know if there's a website where i can convert an ip to domain name |
| 16:02.53 | directhex|work | dicle, discover1 takes care of that |
| 16:03.12 | thebug | mozez: open a shell, type "nslookup ip_address" |
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| 16:03.25 | mozez | thebug, tnx |
| 16:03.25 | thebug | why bother with a web side? |
| 16:03.29 | thebug | s/side/site |
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| 16:04.04 | dicle | directhex|work, I have discover1 installed. should I install discover too? |
| 16:04.14 | directhex|work | dicle, you should dpkg-reconfigure discover1# |
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| 16:04.18 | alex | hi |
| 16:04.20 | absence | does anyone know if there's a reason for unstable to have a version of freetype that is more than a year old and can't display opentype properly, when there are two newer stable versions of freetype available? not trolling, just curious |
| 16:04.22 | doub | hi |
| 16:04.26 | drac | !hi |
| 16:04.26 | dpkg | hello, drac |
| 16:04.26 | alex | how do i pass serialize=1 to sbp2 |
| 16:04.36 | alex | im having issues with my firewire external hd |
| 16:04.48 | masoft | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.53 | jethro | !tell alex -about smart questions |
| 16:05.06 | ec_ | :) |
| 16:05.07 | dicle | directhex|work, thank you |
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| 16:05.47 | doub | i think we should add a talking AI to dpkg or some other bot, to come up with fake problems, for solitary moments |
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| 16:06.18 | jethro | !irritate doub |
| 16:06.19 | dpkg | doub: hi every1 who uses gnome thx |
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| 16:06.37 | alex | heh what wasnt smart? |
| 16:06.45 | jethro | alex: your question? |
| 16:06.50 | alex | i need to know how to pass 'serialize=1' to sbp2 module |
| 16:07.02 | lehel | hello |
| 16:07.02 | alex | im not asking you how to INSTALL JOONIX |
| 16:07.08 | alex | god damnit |
| 16:07.10 | lehel | nsmod: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/modules.dep |
| 16:07.13 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.17 | lehel | what to do? |
| 16:07.28 | jethro | lehel: depmod -a |
| 16:07.55 | lehel | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/misc/wcusb.o |
| 16:07.55 | lehel | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/misc/zaptel.o |
| 16:07.55 | lehel | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/misc/ztd-eth.o |
| 16:08.02 | alex | hey jethro, hey could you clue me in on something eh? could you please |
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| 16:08.26 | alex | lethel: rebuilt * :D |
| 16:08.35 | alex | libpri installed |
| 16:08.37 | alex | ? |
| 16:08.40 | lehel | rebuild what? |
| 16:08.44 | alex | asterisk |
| 16:08.58 | jethro | alex: man modprobe maybe |
| 16:08.59 | doub | !enter |
| 16:08.59 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 16:09.03 | jethro | er man insmod |
| 16:09.04 | greycat | lehel: please don't flood. |
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| 16:09.22 | alex | zaptel specifically, also you might need to have a proper symlink to your kernel source |
| 16:10.00 | simonrvn | the very reason to *not* symlink it |
| 16:10.12 | jethro | :S |
| 16:10.22 | lehel | alex: how to have a symbolic link? ln -s ... ... ? |
| 16:10.24 | AlphaUser | I'm trying to setup a VPN and have a couple questions relating to it. Concerning a Pre-Shared Key, what's a typical value... something similar to a password? |
| 16:10.45 | jethro | AlphaUser: yes |
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| 16:10.58 | jethro | AlphaUser: a shared secret between the two ends of the vpn |
| 16:11.00 | alex | Alpha what cvs software? |
| 16:11.04 | alex | er |
| 16:11.07 | alex | vpn |
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| 16:11.41 | jethro | AlphaUser: it is recommended to use long and non trivial pre shared keys |
| 16:11.48 | lehel | modprobe: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/modules.dep |
| 16:11.55 | braveheartd | the mirrors arent workin atm?!! |
| 16:12.01 | jethro | AlphaUser: it 's also recommended to use certificates , and not pre shared keys, since one could bruteforce the psk |
| 16:12.19 | mwilson | braveheartd: They aren't? Wow, there are an awful lot of them... you made them all go down at once? |
| 16:12.35 | braveheartd | not but tried many |
| 16:12.36 | mwilson | braveheartd: Even the ones at universities and big companies? |
| 16:12.41 | braveheartd | ye |
| 16:12.42 | ethics | alpha just write a sentence in scriptkiddie speakin into it 8) |
| 16:12.49 | mwilson | braveheartd: You're just SO 'leet. |
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| 16:12.58 | AlphaUser | jethro- The host is asking for a psk... but I'm not sure if they'll use it or not. I'm just a client on it |
| 16:13.01 | jethro | ethics: these psk actually suck goats, since they are easy to guess |
| 16:13.10 | braveheartd | can anyone try ? |
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| 16:13.22 | jethro | AlphaUser: if you have to use a psk, then you should be given one. you can't guess it |
| 16:13.30 | mwilson | braveheartd: I suppose we get to guess what mirror you're trying to use, right? |
| 16:13.43 | braveheartd | for no one workin |
| 16:13.44 | AlphaUser | jethro- How long can they be? |
| 16:13.45 | jethro | AlphaUser: well you can guess it, or try, but then it's called an attack, and it's not what you are trying to do, is it? |
| 16:13.55 | mwilson | braveheartd: And we get to guess what the ACTUAL failure you see is, right? |
| 16:14.02 | AlphaUser | jethro- |
| 16:14.05 | clojster | where can I get LaTeX 2e package? I didn't find it anywhere... maybe I'm looking for a bad name? |
| 16:14.06 | jethro | AlphaUser: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:14.06 | AlphaUser | Oops >< |
| 16:14.28 | AlphaUser | jethro- Someone else has a VPN and wants me to provide them the PSK I want to use to connect. |
| 16:14.29 | absence | clojster, tetex |
| 16:14.42 | jethro | AlphaUser: then just pick one |
| 16:14.44 | absence | clojster, tetex-bin, i mean |
| 16:14.49 | lehel | after when i installed a new kernel there is anything to do? |
| 16:14.54 | clojster | absence: tetex is better than LaTeX? |
| 16:14.55 | AlphaUser | jethro- What's the length limit? |
| 16:14.57 | braveheartd | if you speak german i can say dont know how to translate |
| 16:14.57 | jethro | AlphaUser: google for hints on how to choose an efficient passphrase |
| 16:15.06 | jethro | AlphaUser: utsl |
| 16:15.11 | alex | AlphaUser: openvpn.net |
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| 16:15.24 | jethro | alex: you aren't answering his problem are you? |
| 16:15.40 | absence | clojster, it IS latex |
| 16:15.40 | ruied | what is the main difference between supermount and automount ? |
| 16:15.50 | absence | clojster, it's a latex distro, just like miktex for windows |
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| 16:15.57 | blafard | I updated my kernel to 2.6.10 a little while ago and now syslog and kern.log are empty. I changed nothing in syslog.conf, and I don't think that's the problem because auth.log is still updating. Both syslogd and klogd appear to be running, and I have tried restarting both. Where can I look next? |
| 16:16.08 | AlphaUser | alex |
| 16:16.12 | clojster | thanks |
| 16:16.22 | AlphaUser | alex I'm just a peer |
| 16:16.24 | jethro | alex: how would openvpn.net help him choose a good passphrase? |
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| 16:16.47 | AlphaUser | I'm not going to serve, and I can't choose the protocols we use |
| 16:16.48 | alex | hey no crying ok? |
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| 16:17.13 | jethro | alex: I ain't crying, but don't answer in a pointless manner please. you're just adding noise when doing this |
| 16:17.33 | braveheartd | bad translation: with the attempt ftp.xxx.xx to contact the connection was put back |
| 16:17.42 | alex | anyways, any way to get a list of possible module parameters? |
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| 16:17.49 | jethro | alex: man modinfo |
| 16:17.52 | doub | alex: modinfo is your friend |
| 16:17.53 | braveheartd | firefox warning |
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| 16:18.17 | jethro | alex: should be listed as the 'see also' entries of the insmod manpage I told you to read earlier |
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| 16:18.49 | jethro | my bad, it's not, and I m wondering why |
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| 16:19.30 | dicle | directhex|work, I did a dpkg-reconfigure discover1 and it asked me to give handling of cdrom devices and mount points to discover and I chose Yes. But still no /media/cdrom0 is created on boot. should I create it myself the last time? |
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| 16:20.27 | jasoncohen | heh, the people in ubuntu think their snapshot of sid is more stable than testing |
| 16:20.59 | greycat | lots of people think lots of weird things. |
| 16:21.01 | ethics | cheap drugs... |
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| 16:21.58 | _joey | what are good motherboards for Pen Intel IV ? |
| 16:22.20 | roods | i'm using rdist but keep getting the message no such file or directory, but when i cut and copy the path there is a directory by this name. can anyone explain this to me? |
| 16:22.34 | braveheartd | Asus all with I875 or 865 r good and cheap |
| 16:22.47 | jasoncohen | anyone here actually use ubuntu? it |
| 16:22.51 | mwilson | Asus? Good? Since when? |
| 16:23.01 | braveheartd | Quality? |
| 16:23.12 | jasoncohen | it's nice that they have gnome 2.10 and kde 3.4 but their "universe" repo never changes. basically they take a snapshot of sid and it sits for 6 months |
| 16:23.16 | _joey | which m/b does Dell use ? |
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| 16:23.27 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Uh, that IS kind of the idea. |
| 16:23.28 | _joey | asus ?:) |
| 16:23.31 | braveheartd | dont kno asus? |
| 16:23.35 | valdyn | _joey: the cheapest |
| 16:23.36 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Same as any other distribution. |
| 16:23.59 | mwilson | jasoncohen: Why would you expect it to be changing significantly? |
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| 16:24.17 | braveheartd | yea sure ill prefer a msi or abit :P they r so much better! |
| 16:24.32 | _joey | I am going to use Intel's m/b, Pentium CPU and Intel NIC, should be good |
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| 16:24.47 | _joey | abit is crap |
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| 16:24.51 | _joey | from what I heard |
| 16:25.02 | braveheartd | yeah it is |
| 16:25.09 | braveheartd | and gigabyte too |
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| 16:25.20 | jasoncohen | mwilson, well,they claim debian is so behind and yet their universe is far behind as far as i can tell |
| 16:25.31 | catalyst4000 | jasoncohen: I found a solution to my missing icons |
| 16:25.32 | hulu | can anyone recommend a decent local hardware vendor for the bay area? |
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| 16:25.33 | _joey | behind what ? |
| 16:25.41 | mwilson | jasoncohen: You really don't understand the concept of a "release", do you? |
| 16:25.42 | braveheartd | but buy some other crap if mwilson it must be true |
| 16:25.43 | jasoncohen | catalyst4000, what? |
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| 16:26.08 | jasoncohen | mwilson, well, i do. I just prefer the non-release aspect of testing |
| 16:26.26 | jasoncohen | i want something that's constantly updating and i bet it's still more stable than ubuntu |
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| 16:26.32 | dos000 | anyone can help with tftp ? i have a server and client bothe behind a nat and my head is blowing trying to figure what is going wrong. |
| 16:26.38 | mwilson | jasoncohen: So, you're whining that Ubuntu isn't something they tell you right up front that it's not. |
| 16:26.41 | dicle | what is the mechanism that removed the /media/cdrom0 directory which I create on every boot? |
| 16:26.57 | catalyst4000 | jasoncohen: the libpng12.so.0 in /usr/local/lib was different than the version in /usr/lib the one in /usr/local/lib is the library gaim uses so I did a ln -sf /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0 |
| 16:27.03 | catalyst4000 | everything works fine now |
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| 16:27.30 | mwilson | catalyst4000: Everything is broken now, you mean. |
| 16:27.32 | jasoncohen | i wonder how that happened |
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| 16:27.56 | catalyst4000 | mwilson: actually no, everything was broken, now it is fixed |
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| 16:28.35 | catalyst4000 | oh, I think I know how it happened |
| 16:28.41 | mwilson | No, actually, everything is broken now, as you've got $RANDOM_APPLICATION trying to use some locally compiled version of libpng rather than the correct one. |
| 16:29.17 | catalyst4000 | well, why does gaim try to use the library in /usr/local/lib then? |
| 16:29.28 | valdyn | mwilson: vice versa |
| 16:29.35 | mwilson | I wouldn't know. Why do you have one in there to begin with? |
| 16:29.43 | catalyst4000 | beats the crap out of me |
| 16:29.48 | greycat | catalyst4000: probably because of how it was built. |
| 16:29.57 | catalyst4000 | possibly |
| 16:30.02 | mwilson | Oh, yes, the "software appears magically" phenomenon. |
| 16:30.07 | greycat | catalyst4000: or you have LD_LIBRARY_PATH set, or your ld.so.conf has it... |
| 16:30.13 | mwilson | Sorry, it got there because YOU put it there. |
| 16:30.14 | catalyst4000 | so would it be safe to just rm /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0 |
| 16:30.19 | catalyst4000 | and then run LD |
| 16:30.25 | valdyn | catalyst4000: that would be the better thing |
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| 16:30.44 | RolandU | hi all again! |
| 16:31.00 | catalyst4000 | mwilson: you are such a good help |
| 16:31.01 | RolandU | in the kde-control-center there is a secion called "Samba Configuration", in there is a "users"-section where I can set all the samba users..... but whatever I set here is not beeing saved. I am not able to access my samba-server using that username&password. |
| 16:31.14 | catalyst4000 | valdyn: thanks |
| 16:32.26 | greycat | catalyst4000: mwilson is trying to get you to see things clearly. He's intentionally abrasive. |
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| 16:32.51 | catalyst4000 | Oh, I know I had to have put it there, I just can't remember doing it |
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| 16:34.21 | rob_lt | catalyst4000, you could try "dpkg -S /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0" just to make sure that it doesn't belong to a deb you installed with apt. |
| 16:34.46 | Dazgard | hi |
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| 16:35.14 | Dazgard | i wonder, what's the better way to test if a directory is empty (not file, no subdir) |
| 16:35.21 | Dazgard | any idea ? |
| 16:35.21 | Dazgard | :) |
| 16:35.44 | ec_ | wow |
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| 16:37.11 | greycat | Dazgard: ls |
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| 16:39.06 | afaict | Hi Folks! |
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| 16:40.01 | afaict | I dont know whats happening with my debian. i installed debian woody and then I cleaned and upgraded to SID. I can not open KDE and other things I'm getting bugs. |
| 16:40.03 | Dazgard | greycat: lol |
| 16:40.15 | greycat | Dazgard: why are you laughing? |
| 16:40.37 | Dazgard | i was searching for something simpler |
| 16:40.38 | greycat | if [ "$(ls somedir)" ] ; then ... |
| 16:40.58 | lindi- | afaict: "can not open KDE"? |
| 16:40.59 | Dazgard | greycat: oh, yes, why not |
| 16:41.05 | Dazgard | great man, thanks :)= |
| 16:41.24 | Dazgard | if [ "$(ls somedir/*)" ] ; then ... |
| 16:41.29 | Dazgard | should be better :) |
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| 16:41.59 | afaict | lindi- for example. I try to open mozilla-firefox and then I open to websites at the same time with WindowMaker and I got freezed. The same when KDE opens. It show. Starting system services and STOP. |
| 16:42.09 | afaict | s/to/two/ |
| 16:42.09 | Nemoder | you might want /bin/ls in case ls gets aliased |
| 16:42.21 | _joey | are amd64 good CPU's ? |
| 16:42.24 | _joey | :) |
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| 16:42.40 | _joey | more importantly is it well supported on linux? |
| 16:42.47 | greycat | Dazgard: *sigh* |
| 16:42.59 | _joey | and there are many prebuilt applications for debian ?:) |
| 16:43.17 | afaict | I dont know whats debian going on. |
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| 16:43.37 | _joey | we all awaiting for sarge release |
| 16:43.47 | greycat | !dstats |
| 16:43.48 | _joey | that what 's going on |
| 16:43.50 | afaict | I got freezed when KDE opens. Starting System services and it stops. I have anothe problem with debian. Mozzila freezes too... |
| 16:43.54 | edu | ola |
| 16:43.55 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16757 packages, 1519 maintainers, 33404 MB installed size, 10750 MB compressed size. |
| 16:44.07 | jethro | wow |
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| 16:44.19 | greycat | _joey: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 16:44.26 | _joey | run apt-cache search . | wc -l |
| 16:44.27 | afaict | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:44.58 | foxiness | what could be install with clamav ? |
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| 16:47.05 | dicle | Nemoder, which one ? discover or discover1? |
| 16:47.23 | Nemoder | not sure |
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| 16:52.01 | jethro | paulswm: they stole my stuffed tux here in the office!!! |
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| 16:52.28 | XplOzIon | Hi |
| 16:52.46 | asg | jethro: find the penguin-nappers and deal hot justice! spoon! |
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| 16:52.56 | foxiness | hi XplOzIon |
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| 16:53.29 | XplOzIon | the time has come for me to try debian!.. finally ;) |
| 16:54.25 | jethro | asg: I ll just go on stike and refuse to work until I get it back |
| 16:54.27 | [TSP]Aradorn | ok stupid question: I have a windows box that I use as my main comp (gaming mostly) and I want to put debian on it but still keep my windows partition. Is it possible to use a program like partition magic to keep my NTFS partition intact while repartitioning the drive to install debian onit |
| 16:54.32 | foxiness | did i need to run clamd with su account ? |
| 16:54.47 | jethro | asg: I ll hostage all the AIX boxes until then! |
| 16:54.54 | asg | jethro: right |
| 16:55.03 | foxiness | [TSP]Aradorn, yes |
| 16:55.13 | [TSP]Aradorn | foxiness: thanks |
| 16:55.34 | foxiness | [TSP]Aradorn, backup is good idea |
| 16:55.35 | greycat | [TSP]Aradorn: yes. make sure you run chkdsk /f on it before you partition it. |
| 16:55.37 | jethro | s/o/o/ |
| 16:55.43 | jethro | s/o// |
| 16:55.44 | [TSP]Aradorn | alright |
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| 16:56.10 | foxiness | [TSP]Aradorn, resize NTFS is good idea u has |
| 16:57.13 | [TSP]Aradorn | yeah gonna need to resize it so i can make room for the linux partitions just hoping I dont lose everything |
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| 16:57.22 | [TSP]Aradorn | still gonna back everything up on DVDs though |
| 16:57.27 | greycat | [TSP]Aradorn: good. |
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| 16:58.42 | [TSP]Aradorn | is it possible to boot linux off a USB HD? |
| 16:58.52 | foxiness | [TSP]Aradorn, sure its nice coz some time maybe 1 of 10 pm may fill on resie with me |
| 16:58.55 | [TSP]Aradorn | and it run fast enough to be worth anything |
| 16:59.00 | blafard | I updated my kernel to 2.6.10 a little while ago and now syslog and kern.log are empty. I changed nothing in syslog.conf. Playing around, syslog -d was showing the debug level things that show up in /proc/kmsg when I restarted klogd manually with -s, but nothing else. Any suggestions about where to look next? |
| 16:59.01 | Pappa | [TSP]Aradorn: yes |
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| 16:59.41 | foxiness | [TSP]Aradorn, i think this need support on your bois |
| 16:59.45 | cahoot | blafard: no starnge perms on the log files? |
| 16:59.52 | [TSP]Aradorn | trying to weight my options =p dont wanna resize a 200 gig NTFS partition if i dont have tp |
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| 17:00.08 | jethro | I ll kill the thief tomorrow, laters #debian |
| 17:00.18 | [TSP]Aradorn | yeah im sure my bios supports it sicne i get prompted to boot off my jumpdrive when i leave it in my machine |
| 17:00.24 | blafard | cahoot: they are all rw-r-----, and /dev/log is world wr |
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| 17:01.59 | flowtron | Lo@all |
| 17:02.18 | flowtron | I've encountered some problems reaching certain sites. |
| 17:02.32 | flowtron | the ping shows "packet filtered" messages |
| 17:02.54 | cinix | When I download debian-kernel-source-2.6.11, and the tar xjf the archive it leaves in /usr/src, does that come as an already debian patched kernel? |
| 17:02.57 | flowtron | google showed me it might be due to MTU 1500 needs to be 1492 |
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| 17:03.11 | flowtron | but its already set at 1492 for ppp0 |
| 17:03.17 | flowtron | any ideas? |
| 17:03.18 | greycat | cinix: yes |
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| 17:03.45 | St0n3-C0l | why Xchat 2.4.3 is not working ? |
| 17:03.48 | St0n3-C0l | gives some GTK Flat-blue theme error |
| 17:04.15 | asg | St0n3-C0l: have you checked the bts yet? |
| 17:04.21 | [Immo]Benji | I was wondering if there was anyway I couuld download an older package? The only nvidia driver I see is the latest driver. I want version 6629. |
| 17:04.32 | yoo | Hi |
| 17:04.38 | asg | [Immo]Benji: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:04.55 | St0n3-C0l | asg: bts ? |
| 17:04.55 | [Immo]Benji | Thank you :) |
| 17:04.56 | yoo | i have a problem when i start postfix |
| 17:05.01 | greycat | dpkg, why does xchat suck so badly? |
| 17:05.04 | asg | St0n3-C0l: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:05.05 | dpkg | Because your mommy hates xchat. |
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| 17:05.07 | asg | hah |
| 17:05.10 | yoo | fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: Address already in use |
| 17:05.13 | exerd | whats the command to see all users? |
| 17:05.17 | asg | exerd: who |
| 17:05.19 | greycat | exerd: man 5 passwd |
| 17:05.19 | yoo | what's the problem |
| 17:05.25 | greycat | yoo: lsof -i :25 |
| 17:05.30 | bitchx | anyone know what dpts:10:afs3-fileserver to:172.16.255.254 mean on iptables? |
| 17:05.31 | exerd | thanks |
| 17:05.37 | bitchx | what ports it points to? |
| 17:05.50 | asg | bitchx: look in /etc/services |
| 17:05.53 | greycat | grep afs3-fileserver /etc/services |
| 17:06.00 | yoo | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
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| 17:06.00 | yoo | master 23270 root 11u IPv4 4075580 TCP *:smtp (LISTEN) |
| 17:06.02 | [TSP]Aradorn | is there any reason why jigdo is so freaking slow? |
| 17:06.05 | greycat | or use -n to suppress services lookup |
| 17:06.17 | greycat | yoo: it's already running. |
| 17:06.24 | yoo | yes |
| 17:06.34 | yoo | what's that ? |
| 17:06.35 | bitchx | thanks! thats it |
| 17:06.49 | exerd | when i do apt-get upgrade i get " g++-3.3(1 bug), mime-support(1 bug), initrd-tools(2 bugs), libldap2(1 bug)" Shall i continue anyway? |
| 17:07.02 | yoo | i stop postfix |
| 17:07.09 | yoo | but it's the same |
| 17:07.10 | asg | exerd: check the bugs in the bts and decide for yourself if the risk is worth it. |
| 17:07.23 | exerd | asg, how do i do that? |
| 17:07.31 | asg | !bts |
| 17:07.31 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:07.59 | paulswm | jethro: sorry, was afk, saw your theft message. Those bastards! |
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| 17:08.05 | exerd | asg, if i wait until the next upgrade for those programs the bugs will be fixed? right? |
| 17:08.07 | rapi | hello |
| 17:08.23 | asg | exerd: maybe, it depends if they are RC, grave, etc. |
| 17:08.38 | exerd | asg, ok and how do i know if they are? |
| 17:08.44 | rapi | someone uses uw-imapd? |
| 17:08.44 | asg | exerd: you check the bts |
| 17:08.47 | exerd | ok |
| 17:08.49 | exerd | thanks |
| 17:08.52 | flowtron | any help on my "Packet Filtered" trouble reaching some sites?! |
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| 17:09.25 | greycat | rapi: no. |
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| 17:09.40 | greycat | nobody in their right mind would use uw-imapd. ever. for anything. |
| 17:09.45 | rapi | greycat, no prob |
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| 17:10.12 | rapi | greycat, my english is very bad , sorry... |
| 17:10.27 | asg | flowtron: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn (does it return 0 or 1) |
| 17:10.36 | rapi | greycat, what do you use for IMAP? |
| 17:10.43 | greycat | rapi: courier-imap |
| 17:11.06 | rapi | greycat, ok' ll try it |
| 17:11.07 | greycat | I've also heard recommendations for dovecot and bincimap |
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| 17:11.59 | flowtron | asg : 0 ... okay echo "1" > ..., right? What is ECN? |
| 17:12.03 | greycat | !ecn |
| 17:12.03 | dpkg | methinks ecn is Explicit Congestion Notification - a TCP/IP feature which should be supported by the whole Internet, but unfortunately, some broken firewalls don't like it. To disable: echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn . To disable permanently, echo net/ipv4/tcp_ecn=0 >> /etc/sysctl.conf . See also http://p12n.org/kb/ecn.html; you can disable ECN via iptables selectively |
| 17:12.06 | asg | flowtron: no, it should be 0 |
| 17:12.07 | rapi | i have a LOGIN DISABLED with my IMAP SERVER? |
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| 17:12.37 | asg | flowtron: ECN is not honored by some moron routers so it is often advisable to disable it. |
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| 17:14.03 | loke- | hello |
| 17:14.06 | flowtron | On Sarge I get the "Packet Filtered" on Woody not even any reply ... strange. User says others could reach site while we could not ... gonna check that myself... |
| 17:14.14 | loke- | !beer everybody |
| 17:14.44 | loke- | hello #debian, long time no see |
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| 17:15.00 | paulswm | Only one can for everybody? |
| 17:15.19 | PR- | can anybody help me with my speedtouch 510 router? in nat i've make a portfoward for my ftp server, but it only work in my home network, from the internet it doen't work |
| 17:15.19 | catalyst4000 | it's already gone |
| 17:15.33 | priest | !pussy everybody |
| 17:15.34 | loke- | fuck, thats what I was thinking, "a can", man dpkg's getting stingy |
| 17:15.53 | PR- | i run nmap a it shows the ftp server port as "filtered" |
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| 17:16.09 | loke- | pr- do you have any acls? |
| 17:16.10 | PR- | e the other apear open |
| 17:16.43 | loke- | pr- whats the ip? |
| 17:16.52 | PR- | its dynamic |
| 17:17.00 | dondelelcaro | PR-: then you're silently dropping packets to 20/21 |
| 17:17.00 | loke- | pr- whats the ip? |
| 17:17.34 | EdibleText | PR-, some providers block common service ports. esp with 'residential' packages |
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| 17:18.09 | loke- | edibletext yes but thats usually 80,443, and 25 |
| 17:18.18 | flowtron | asg : okay, so if I read p12n.org correctly the problem is with the foreign site - not with us?! |
| 17:18.25 | loke- | pr- whats the ip? |
| 17:18.35 | loke- | pr- let me check if the ports open |
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| 17:19.59 | PR- | 213.58.59.108 |
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| 17:20.23 | loke- | yeah |
| 17:20.26 | loke- | its filtered |
| 17:20.32 | loke- | so, its a forwarding issue |
| 17:20.33 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# host 10001237612.0000017803.acesso.oni.pt |
| 17:20.33 | streuner | 10001237612.0000017803.acesso.oni.pt has address 213.58.59.108 |
| 17:20.40 | loke- | if you can login local to the ftp service |
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| 17:21.20 | [TSP]Aradorn | anyone know if VirtualPC will allow you to boot Linux distros or if its specifically for MS OS's |
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| 17:21.29 | PR- | i can login local |
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| 17:21.48 | loke- | [TSP]Aradorn thats like vmware right? |
| 17:21.53 | [TSP]Aradorn | yeah |
| 17:22.02 | loke- | PR- sounds like a router/forwarding issue |
| 17:22.07 | [TSP]Aradorn | i know there are some free ones but cant find them |
| 17:22.07 | loke- | [TSP]Aradorn yes it can |
| 17:22.13 | [TSP]Aradorn | hm k |
| 17:22.20 | loke- | [TSP]Aradorn but, i believe vmware is better |
| 17:22.30 | [TSP]Aradorn | yeah im sure it is =P but its like 200 bucks |
| 17:22.37 | [TSP]Aradorn | looking for something on the free side =p |
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| 17:22.45 | albino_ | vsftp maintainer here? |
| 17:22.52 | [TSP]Aradorn | i think I can get virtualPC through MSDN at my college |
| 17:23.13 | absence | does anyone know if there's a reason for unstable to have a version of freetype that is more than a year old and can't display opentype properly, when there are two newer stable versions of freetype available? not trolling, just curious if such an upgrade is held back because it would break something or some other reason |
| 17:23.19 | dave | I'm having trouble with the ldap module of egroupware on my debian server. I can't get it to bind to the server. I've read all the docs and done the google thing but can't get it figured out. Any one have any thots on it? |
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| 17:23.40 | pipeline | absence: Heh, the days after sarge release are going to be a big leap forward for unstable, eh? |
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| 17:24.26 | dave | I'm getting a protocol error on an ldap_bind() call. Not sure if it's a php or ldap error. I can access the ldap database through other programs |
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| 17:27.35 | Vantage | is there a way to get pmount to mount with a specific group or permission set? |
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| 17:28.56 | simonrvn | *meow* |
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| 17:29.56 | sether | ribbit |
| 17:30.22 | simonrvn | nummies for kitty |
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| 17:31.18 | absence | pipeline, possibly, but this package hasn't been upgraded since way before unstable started to slow down because of sarge :) |
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| 17:31.59 | pipeline | absence: Two years ago? :P |
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| 17:32.43 | Talnakh_ | guys, could anyone recommend an enterprise class guide for building a mail server using debian |
| 17:32.44 | Talnakh_ | ? |
| 17:32.56 | pipeline | Talnakh_: Hell no |
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| 17:33.17 | Talnakh_ | Why not ? :-) |
| 17:33.18 | TuX_MaN | RE! |
| 17:33.21 | pipeline | Talnakh_: The word "enterprise" is generally taken to mean that you don't sit on IRC and ask for guides off of t eh intarweb. Hire a competent mail administrator. |
| 17:33.43 | absence | pipeline, not quite, but more than one |
| 17:34.00 | Talnakh_ | yes, well i have been using SuSE enterprise linux for a while. |
| 17:34.05 | absence | freetype 2.1.8 was released april 2004, unstable has 2.1.7 |
| 17:34.18 | greycat | absence: file a wishlist bug |
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| 17:34.33 | absence | greycat, there already is one |
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| 17:34.50 | greycat | absence: package the new version yourself |
| 17:34.50 | Talnakh_ | pipeline, it is ture what u say, I cant keep myself up to date with all the developments of Debian. |
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| 17:35.48 | absence | greycat, i don't know how, i just wondered if anyone knew if there's a problem with the newer versions that prevent them from being put into debian, or if it's just lack of time |
| 17:36.09 | pipeline | Talnakh_: If it's "enterprise," and you're sitting on IRC begging for help, you should probably be fired. No offense. :P |
| 17:36.18 | pipeline | Talnakh_: Then again, what does the word "enterprise" mean, anymore? Shit, you can probably buy "Enterprise" grade coffeemakers now. |
| 17:36.21 | Sphere- | any recommendations on a sepcific, easy to configure ftpd ? |
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| 17:36.29 | pipeline | Sphere-: oftpd |
| 17:36.29 | Sphere- | I've been using proftpd and I'm not really happy |
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| 17:36.36 | m0p | Damn, can someone explain to me why I've used up 90% of my 1gb of RAM? that's worse than Winblows :| |
| 17:36.44 | linuxfreck | I use vsftpd mostly |
| 17:36.57 | sether | m0p: ram usage is good. |
| 17:36.58 | pipeline | Sphere-: oftpd just works out of the box. It's almost totally secure and almost totally nonconfigurable. |
| 17:37.00 | linuxfreck | m0p: most of the ram is probably used for disk cache |
| 17:37.04 | m0p | hmm |
| 17:37.11 | simonrvn | m0p: 90 % usage is a *good* thing |
| 17:37.14 | ApEtc | m0p: Is most of it used for buffers? |
| 17:37.17 | Sphere- | pipeline - I need it to support TLS, and uploades though |
| 17:37.22 | m0p | why is it a good thing? |
| 17:37.23 | pipeline | m0p: Different paging strategy. |
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| 17:37.31 | m0p | hmm |
| 17:37.44 | pipeline | Sphere-: Well, you asked for easy-to-configure. Oftpd is very, very easy to configure and very, very hard to fuck up. It might support TLS, I'm not sure. |
| 17:37.44 | sether | m0p: when stuff loads from RAM it's a lot faster. |
| 17:37.47 | Sphere- | I was thinking glftpd, but it's a pain in the a** to configure |
| 17:38.21 | KongenBX | hi, how do i make my wlan card work with debian? |
| 17:38.22 | m0p | ah, so it stores temporary data in ram instead of putting it in a temp folder on the HDD (like winblows does) so it loads faster? |
| 17:38.22 | Talnakh_ | pipiline, u r boring. I guess you just knew everything about debian from the day you were born. :-). Well, that's why most people end up sticking to communigate pro and other distros which have enough of the documentation and setup guidelines. |
| 17:38.30 | Sphere- | what about vsftpd ? |
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| 17:39.13 | simonrvn | !u |
| 17:39.13 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:39.15 | simonrvn | !r |
| 17:39.15 | dpkg | from memory, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 17:39.36 | loke- | !beer |
| 17:39.37 | dpkg | hmm... beer is liquid gold mate |
| 17:39.46 | simonrvn | Talnakh_: uh, communigate pro isn't a distro, dumbass |
| 17:39.48 | loke- | !weed |
| 17:40.09 | loke- | !aolify dpkg |
| 17:40.22 | Talnakh_ | i said that Communigate pro is much easier. and it is a mail system, i know that. thank you |
| 17:41.05 | simonrvn | also proprietary |
| 17:41.25 | KongenBX | How do i make my "ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, inc AR5212 802.11abg" work with debian? How do i find my Wlan acess point? |
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| 17:41.43 | xophEr | when I try to run synaptic as non root from the gnome-menu, I get this error: Failed to execute child process.. After updating synaptic a few days ago there appeared another 'synaptic' in the menu, I removed one of them and now it doesnt start.. |
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| 17:43.03 | Talnakh_ | simonrvn. whatever. most managers don't bother if it is proprietary or not :-) |
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| 17:43.56 | simonrvn | Talnakh_: here's one that *does* care. not my problem if they'd rather commit to something that's going to fuck them up the ass with a spiked 2x4 down the road |
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| 17:44.23 | nunez | How would I go about programming the keys on my keyboard that are shortcut keys for windows? |
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| 17:45.21 | simonrvn | @tell nunez -about search |
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| 17:45.57 | nunez | what do I search for? |
| 17:46.11 | Talnakh_ | Simonrvn, i don't want to argue about it. first of all, since i prefer open source as well, secondly, because you and me exists in different environment, thus, in your environment people bother about system being proprietary or open source, in mine, they don't. |
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| 17:46.18 | simonrvn | nunez: what you want to find |
| 17:46.22 | greycat | nunez: xmodmap, xev |
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| 17:49.20 | [Immo]Benji | How do I force a certain version to be installed with apt-get? |
| 17:49.21 | nunez | greycat, thats |
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| 17:49.30 | nunez | greycat, thanks |
| 17:49.37 | pipeline | [Immo]Benji: /etc/apt/preferences, usually |
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| 17:49.49 | [Immo]Benji | okay i'll check that out, thanks |
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| 17:50.22 | pipeline | [Immo]Benji: alternatively, in synaptic, you can hit "Package" -> "Force Version" and that will put the right stuff in /etc/apt/preferences for you. |
| 17:50.33 | [Immo]Benji | okay, thanks |
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| 17:55.52 | lexxan | What do I need to install to print to a shared printer on my xp box? |
| 17:56.24 | simonrvn | cupsys |
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| 17:57.10 | KongenBX | How do i make my "ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, inc AR5212 802.11abg" work with debian? How do i find my Wlan acess point? |
| 17:57.11 | lexxan | do i need samba too |
| 17:57.24 | simonrvn | no |
| 17:58.30 | lexxan | Ok.. I installed cupsys |
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| 17:58.44 | lexxan | I'm in gnome btw |
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| 17:59.39 | lexxan | now what? |
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| 18:00.24 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! I am following the first set of instruction on this page (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html), would that be all right for upgrading sarge kernel to the latest one? thanks |
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| 18:00.59 | lexxan | Do you want a 2.4.18 kernel? |
| 18:01.05 | simonrvn | lexxan: you need to set cupsd to be listening to broadcasts |
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| 18:01.17 | lexxan | This sounds like a pain in the ass heh |
| 18:01.18 | K_Dallas | i am on 2.4.27 |
| 18:01.22 | K_Dallas | trying to get 2.6.11 |
| 18:01.35 | dos000 | anyone used asus k8v se deluxe in here ? this thing has sata, and raid on board but unusable so far ! |
| 18:01.43 | greycat | K_Dallas: why? |
| 18:02.10 | greycat | K_Dallas: is there any special reason why 2.6.8 won't work? |
| 18:02.12 | K_Dallas | i am having troubles with my scanner and modem working under default sarge tho they worked under ubuntu |
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| 18:02.23 | K_Dallas | ok, i can go for 2.6.8 |
| 18:02.28 | lexxan | just install the binary.. |
| 18:02.35 | K_Dallas | i was adviced here to try ungrading my kernel |
| 18:02.35 | greycat | K_Dallas: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-386 |
| 18:02.44 | K_Dallas | oh! that sounds so easy :) |
| 18:02.55 | loke- | !easy |
| 18:02.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, easy is http://www.apachetoolbox.com |
| 18:02.58 | lexxan | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 18:03.01 | greycat | or maybe it's -2-386 or something. apt-cache search. |
| 18:03.12 | K_Dallas | i will look for that, thanks |
| 18:03.36 | Talnakh_ | dos000, raid is probably not a real RAID, meaning that raid functionality is achieved through use of special software. it is a common problem with cheap raid chisets. |
| 18:03.46 | simonrvn | lexxan: use the IPP protocol |
| 18:04.13 | lexxan | its shared on an lpt1 port |
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| 18:05.41 | greycat | another point to consider is that sarge has metapackages for kernel series. you can install "kernel-image-2.6-386" for the latest sarge 2.6.x kernel for the 386, for instance. |
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| 18:05.56 | greycat | Package: kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 18:05.57 | greycat | Depends: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 18:06.20 | K_Dallas | i see, noted. thanks |
| 18:06.52 | RvGaTe | greycat? hello :) long time no see |
| 18:06.57 | K_Dallas | so why not 2.6.10 or 2.6.11 ? |
| 18:07.07 | greycat | ... dpkg d-i | SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up |
| 18:07.10 | lexxan | because we said so |
| 18:07.25 | K_Dallas | you the man ;) ok |
| 18:07.53 | K_Dallas | may 30th is the release date for sarge, after that would sid be the testing version? |
| 18:08.13 | lexxan | sounds good to me |
| 18:08.19 | jayc | I am trying to rescue a RH9 server I'm responsible for by migrating to Debian and I'm having issues with mounting an nfs share, I need it to be very unsecure as to be similar to RH9's way of doing things because my program is barfing on writing files, can anyone help me out? thx in adv |
| 18:08.22 | bbrazil | K_Dallas: no, etch will be (assu,ming sarge releases) sid is always unstable |
| 18:08.24 | lindi- | K_Dallas: no, sid is always unstable |
| 18:08.24 | Talnakh_ | sid is always testing |
| 18:08.35 | K_Dallas | oh, good to know, thanks guys |
| 18:08.45 | Talnakh_ | oops, what a shit ai said |
| 18:08.49 | K_Dallas | :) |
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| 18:10.57 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up |
| 18:10.58 | K_Dallas | (but i think i read about the release date on debin site itself yet i might be wrong) |
| 18:11.12 | abrotman | K_Dallas: there is no firm release date |
| 18:11.20 | K_Dallas | of course |
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| 18:11.43 | fms | hi all |
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| 18:12.00 | fms | i'm trying to compile nvsound kernel module |
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| 18:12.25 | fms | the nvidia graphics driver compiled fine |
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| 18:12.30 | thefly | am i the only one experiencing problems with firefox in sid? |
| 18:12.43 | mrblender | Anyone know of good documentation on ldap connectivity with a Windows 2003 active directory environment? |
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| 18:12.51 | mrblender | (linux connectivitY0 |
| 18:12.53 | fms | fms@fenris:~$ ll /usr/src |
| 18:12.53 | fms | total 34068 |
| 18:12.53 | fms | drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4096 2005-05-17 21:22 kernel-headers-2.6.8-11 |
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| 18:12.53 | fms | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2005-05-17 21:38 kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 18:13.08 | fms | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 27 2005-05-17 21:57 linux -> kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386/ |
| 18:13.10 | fms | sorry |
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| 18:14.14 | abrotman | mrblender: ask #openldap |
| 18:14.26 | Talnakh_ | mrblender, check pam as well. |
| 18:14.31 | mrblender | abrotman: thanks. I'm |
| 18:14.46 | mrblender | Talnakh_: pam? as in #pam? or man pam |
| 18:15.01 | Talnakh_ | both i think :-) |
| 18:15.03 | abrotman | as in .. if you want ldap to talk to ADS .. ask #openldap :) |
| 18:15.17 | mrblender | Talnakh_: yeah, realized that was a dumb question when i asked it |
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| 18:15.57 | mrblender | abrotman: :) I understood you. Just wanted to hear what Talnakh_ had to say too |
| 18:16.59 | asg | mrblender: if you are only worried about authentication, libpam-krb5 is easier than ldap with AD. |
| 18:17.16 | KongenBX | !sarge |
| 18:17.16 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
| 18:17.20 | mrblender | asg: ok. I'll look into that. |
| 18:17.36 | sether | thefly: what problems? and you *do* understand we don't support sid here, right? |
| 18:17.43 | asg | mrblender: be sure that if you use W2003, you are not using woody since the kerberos libraries are too old. |
| 18:17.52 | Talnakh_ | mrblender, but what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 18:18.06 | mrblender | asg: yeah I read about that |
| 18:18.10 | mrblender | asg: I'm using sarg |
| 18:19.15 | mrblender | Talnakh_: well I have a W2003 native domain (one forest), and I wanted to see if I could set up a couple debian clients to access and authenticate against AD. also do some print/file sharing, but that's a different topic |
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| 18:21.36 | IDC | night |
| 18:21.44 | sether | day |
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| 18:23.21 | Talnakh_ | mrblender, then check for options PAM gives you, for sure. |
| 18:23.48 | mrblender | Talnakh_: oki. sounds like fun, as I've not had any experience with PAM |
| 18:24.55 | Talnakh_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/05/msg00384.html |
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| 18:25.57 | Talnakh_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/05/msg00366.html |
| 18:26.08 | tpr | anyone happen to use/have experience with a 3COM 3CRPAG175 wlan card and debian, or some other distro? |
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| 18:27.05 | Maulkin | hmm... wierdness |
| 18:27.13 | jasoncohen | my printer is printing endlessly even though lpq -a shows no jobs |
| 18:27.16 | jasoncohen | what should i do? |
| 18:27.31 | asg | jasoncohen: turn it off |
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| 18:27.39 | Maulkin | Anyone have an idea why ps's output would show a time started later then the current time? |
| 18:27.45 | tpr | jason, restart the printer |
| 18:27.52 | greycat | Maulkin: yesterday. |
| 18:27.59 | mrblender | Talnakh_: You seeme to find these a lot easier than I |
| 18:28.11 | jasoncohen | asg, thanks- the simplest solutions always work i suppose |
| 18:28.19 | ruied | which one is best cups or lprng? |
| 18:28.47 | asg | ruied: only you can decide that |
| 18:28.58 | Maulkin | greycat: Nope, it shows the 'ps' process as starting 15 mins after the current time |
| 18:29.06 | mrblender | Talnakh_: know how using the pam_ldap.so library differs from using the pam_krb5.so lib? |
| 18:29.15 | greycat | Maulkin: run 'date'. |
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| 18:30.24 | Maulkin | greycat: Mon May 16 19:30:20 BST 2005 |
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| 18:30.41 | greycat | Maulkin: is that correct? |
| 18:30.51 | Maulkin | Yup, just ntpdated it |
| 18:31.00 | Maulkin | Last line of ps -auwx == |
| 18:31.02 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 18:31.09 | Maulkin | root 4499 0.0 0.1 2660 812 pts/3 R 19:47 0:00 ps -auwx |
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| 18:31.28 | greycat | did you run that ps command *before* or *after* you did the ntpdate? |
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| 18:31.41 | Maulkin | Both. |
| 18:31.49 | Maulkin | Offset was negligable. |
| 18:31.50 | Loevborg | is there a way to make "gnome-terminal" _NOT_ return immediately but wait until the process is finished? |
| 18:32.03 | greycat | Loevborg: use xterm instead. xterm -e command to run |
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| 18:32.17 | Loevborg | greycat, but I like gnome-terminal... |
| 18:32.32 | greycat | !utsl |
| 18:32.32 | dpkg | methinks utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 18:32.52 | asg | Loevborg: then see if gnome-terminal has the same functionality |
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| 18:33.13 | necrite | hi all .. |
| 18:33.15 | Loevborg | asg, the manpage doesn't say so |
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| 18:33.34 | necrite | what is the best option for dedicated servers in debian ? |
| 18:33.38 | simonrvn | -e, --command=STRING |
| 18:33.38 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.44 | simonrvn | oh really? |
| 18:33.56 | Maulkin | greycat: Basically: |
| 18:33.58 | simonrvn | first fucking option in the man page |
| 18:34.01 | juanmals | necrite : debian |
| 18:34.01 | nunez | How would I got about setting up a proxy on my box which connects to a list of other proxies? |
| 18:34.02 | Maulkin | root@mojo:~# date +%H:%M && ps -auwx |grep [p]s |awk '{print $9}' |
| 18:34.02 | Maulkin | 19:33 |
| 18:34.02 | Maulkin | 19:49 |
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| 18:34.16 | asg | nunez: #squid |
| 18:34.31 | necrite | juanmals, ?? |
| 18:34.52 | abrotman | necrite: which option for what ? |
| 18:35.11 | necrite | mm whare buy one |
| 18:35.12 | Loevborg | simonrvn, are you intentionally being an idiot? (read the first line I wrote) |
| 18:35.25 | abrotman | necrite: you mean who sells servers with debian preloaded ? |
| 18:35.27 | simonrvn | Loevborg: /ignored |
| 18:35.30 | Rawplayer | Loevborg: you are walking on hot coles |
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| 18:35.51 | simonrvn | Loevborg: ever hear of sleep fo example? asswipe |
| 18:35.54 | greycat | paula? |
| 18:35.59 | aardvark | gary? |
| 18:35.59 | jasoncohen | well, that was easy. I added my epson C86 using gnome-cups-manager and i was printing in 30 seconds |
| 18:36.01 | necrite | abrotman, yes.. and if anyone use.. and have some experience |
| 18:36.21 | greycat | natalie? |
| 18:36.26 | abrotman | necrite: it depends which country you're in .. and i'm not sure anyone sells with debian preloaded anymore |
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| 18:36.56 | greycat | necrite: it's rather silly to preinstall an OS on a server box, since the sysadmin (you) will usually want to reinstall from scratch so that he's sure of what's there. |
| 18:37.05 | Loevborg | Rawplayer, sorry, this insulting reply of his just annoyed me too much. |
| 18:37.06 | asg | Loevborg: then -e 'command && read n' (hit enter to close the window.) |
| 18:37.37 | greycat | asg: by the way, bash has "read -n1" for "press any key" |
| 18:37.41 | Loevborg | asg, thanks for the answer, but that's not the point: gnome-terminal doesn't wait for the shell to return |
| 18:37.51 | asg | greycat: heh, I forgot about that. Thanks for the heads up. |
| 18:37.52 | abrotman | Loevborg: I'm selling skin-thickener at my webstore .. are you interested ? |
| 18:37.53 | greycat | Loevborg: does xterm work properly? |
| 18:38.13 | Loevborg | greycat, yup, you were right. it's less pretty, though. |
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| 18:38.21 | greycat | !utsl |
| 18:38.22 | dpkg | utsl is probably Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 18:38.24 | greycat | or file a bug report. |
| 18:38.33 | necrite | mm anyway.. no one use dedicated servers here? |
| 18:38.48 | Rawplayer | what do you mean with dedicated server? |
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| 18:38.55 | asg | necrite: of course people do. Can you be a little more clear in your question about them. |
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| 18:39.53 | necrite | asg, what is the best option to get one debian box .. |
| 18:40.03 | nunez | asg, When setting up squid, does it automaticly use other proxy? |
| 18:40.08 | Loevborg | a little side remark: is there a way to quickly get to the manpage section on bash's "read" without scrolling through 1000s of lines ("/" is no use for such a common word) |
| 18:40.20 | greycat | necrite: buy a computer. install debian on i.t |
| 18:40.22 | Loevborg | side question, even. |
| 18:40.22 | asg | nunez: you, you have to configure it (ask #squid, or read about peer caching in their docs) |
| 18:40.22 | abrotman | hold space bar :) |
| 18:40.34 | greycat | Loevborg: "help read" at a bash prompt. |
| 18:40.41 | asg | necrite: you mean a hosted solution? |
| 18:41.03 | Loevborg | greycat, thanks! |
| 18:41.11 | necrite | asg, dedicated solution .. ev1 mannaged servepath |
| 18:41.13 | crashbg | how to compile only one .c driver instead of recompiling the whole kernel? |
| 18:41.15 | necrite | asg, etc |
| 18:41.18 | nunez | asg: Thanks |
| 18:41.24 | simonrvn | crashbg: rm the .o file |
| 18:41.34 | asg | necrite: I've used dreamhost.com and they are pretty good. |
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| 18:41.45 | Loevborg | greycat, you're a walking unix encyclopedia, it seems. |
| 18:41.49 | greycat | crashbg: use a debian kernel instead. |
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| 18:42.04 | Loevborg | (with a better search facility) |
| 18:42.07 | necrite | greycat, tks for your answers.. |
| 18:42.13 | crashbg | greycat, how many times do i have to mention that i need custom kernel :) |
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| 18:42.41 | abrotman | crashbg: why? |
| 18:42.44 | greycat | crashbg: then the Right Answer is, "No, you must rebuild the entire .deb every time." |
| 18:43.05 | greycat | (and the other Right Answer is "No you don't. Use a Debian kernel-image.") |
| 18:43.19 | abrotman | crashbg: why do you need a custom kernel ? |
| 18:43.44 | crashbg | it's that damn sis ide chipset |
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| 18:43.44 | crashbg | causing problems with debian kernel so i want to change the sis .c driver |
| 18:44.04 | nse | Is there any deb to make mozilla-firefox able to read java applets? |
| 18:44.05 | abrotman | if you know how to change a driver .. you should be able to compile a kernel .. and know what's involved |
| 18:44.08 | greycat | he thinks he can hack a kernel driver, but he doesn't even know how to build a kernel? |
| 18:44.12 | greycat | !pal crashbg |
| 18:44.13 | abrotman | !tell nse about install java |
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| 18:45.10 | nayyares | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.19 | greycat | that's a bogus --prefix. |
| 18:45.36 | abrotman | not really .. just a bad one :) |
| 18:45.42 | greycat | and your ./configure must have blown up before it could create a Makefile. |
| 18:45.43 | juanmals | Maybe configure gave you an error |
| 18:46.08 | greycat | abrotman: point, but it's not what he wants. |
| 18:46.18 | abrotman | greycat: i know .. |
| 18:46.32 | crashbg | abrotman, i already have custom :) i need to rewrite my ide driver and make just the module but i know how to do it now thanks to simonrvn |
| 18:46.43 | abrotman | crashbg: good .. go do it |
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| 18:47.33 | nayyares | abrotman, what to do now :( |
| 18:47.54 | abrotman | nayyares: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local ... and this time .. look for errors |
| 18:47.58 | greycat | nayyares: READ the errors that ./configure gave you. (After you fix your --prefix.) |
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| 18:48.33 | enyc | Please give me helpful pointers to information on kernel vga= parameters/modes -- having trouble finding useful information |
| 18:48.37 | abrotman | greycat: that's because you *wanted* to learn |
| 18:48.37 | greycat | where do these people *come* from? |
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| 18:48.54 | cureless | enyc: /usr/src/linux*/Documentation |
| 18:49.12 | greycat | I could understand using the wrong --prefix, because that's not very obvious at first... but not reading an error?? |
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| 18:50.03 | ruied | I've installed kernel-patch-xfs package but I can't mount a xfs partition, do I need to load somo module? |
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| 18:50.16 | greycat | ruied: sarge's kernels already support xfs. |
| 18:50.33 | enyc | ruie: well, that is a patch to the source code, you'd need to compile a kernel with the patched version of that source and boot the kernel you built... |
| 18:50.48 | abrotman | greycat: *WARNING* blah-config not found .. Aborting |
| 18:51.01 | enyc | ruid: erm... what kernel are you running anyway (use "uname -a" for useful-information) ;-) |
| 18:51.09 | greycat | abrotman: that would make it an *ERROR*, not a *WARNING* :) |
| 18:51.17 | abrotman | greycat: yes .. you're right |
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| 18:51.33 | ruied | I've chenged my system to sarge and made an apt-get upgrade, does it upgrade also the kernel? |
| 18:51.40 | enyc | ruid: dont think so |
| 18:51.50 | enyc | ruid: remember to disk apt-get dist-upgrade too |
| 18:51.53 | ruied | 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 18:52.00 | enyc | ruie: tahts a debian-woody kernel |
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| 18:52.23 | ruied | hmm... ok |
| 18:52.41 | enyc | ruie: debian-sarge provides packages for 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 18:52.44 | abrotman | ruied: what kind of CPU ? |
| 18:52.46 | ruied | so what is the difference between update and dist upgrade? |
| 18:52.57 | abrotman | man apt-get |
| 18:53.04 | enyc | erm not sure exactly, upgrade upgrades packages that can be upgraded without installing others or something.. |
| 18:53.07 | greycat | ruied: man apt-get |
| 18:53.11 | ruied | abrotman: P4 1.6 |
| 18:53.12 | greycat | ruied: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 18:53.15 | enyc | whereas dist-upgrade upgrades lots of things and all their dependancies or something... |
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| 18:55.44 | abrotman | ruied: no |
| 18:55.50 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 18:55.50 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm> |
| 18:55.55 | greycat | WillR: do you *have* to use the s3? |
| 18:56.17 | fms | i'm trying to compile the nvidia-nforce audio driver nvaudio using the nvidia installer |
| 18:56.29 | WillR | i jsut want a bigger resolution other tan 800x600 |
| 18:56.31 | greycat | fms: /j #nvidia |
| 18:56.36 | abrotman | WillR: it won't do it iirc |
| 18:56.38 | greycat | WillR: buy a real video card, then. |
| 18:56.42 | WillR | but it wont let me... no matter what i set res to..... |
| 18:56.45 | fms | greycat, but this is also a debian problem...i think |
| 18:56.53 | abrotman | WillR: there are so many things wrong with S3 cards .. if you have 10$ .. get another |
| 18:56.57 | WillR | its jsut a workstation pc....i dont need a different card |
| 18:57.10 | greycat | fms: why do you think it's a debian problem? did you get your driver through Debian's apt-get? did you use Debian's module-assistant? |
| 18:57.13 | WillR | jsut want 1024x768 resolution |
| 18:57.19 | greycat | WillR: buy a non-S3 video card. |
| 18:57.24 | greycat | or find one in a dumpster |
| 18:57.24 | abrotman | WillR: i'm pretty sure that crd won't do 1024 .. i ahve quite a few in my office that now reside in servers because using X on them is a nightmare |
| 18:57.57 | WillR | so there isnt a driver for it then im guessing? |
| 18:58.01 | cureless | WillR: have you searched the web? |
| 18:58.11 | WillR | yeah |
| 18:58.13 | WillR | i have |
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| 18:58.31 | greycat | WillR: you either use VESA, or you use the obsolete, un-security-supported XFree86 3.x, or you buy a REAL FUCKING CARD. |
| 18:58.32 | abrotman | WillR: there is .. but the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking |
| 18:58.33 | cureless | WillR: does it say it's possible? |
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| 18:59.07 | abrotman | WillR: do you even know which S3 ? |
| 18:59.14 | abrotman | lspci if you need help there |
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| 18:59.23 | cureless | WillR: I haven't worked with S3 in a long time, but maybe you need to set your vesa (fb) correctly before getting a better resolution on X. |
| 18:59.26 | jasoncohen | lol, adobe acrobat 7 screwed up printing a pdf file that kghostview printed fine |
| 18:59.45 | WillR | its a trio i stated alrdy.. |
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| 18:59.58 | pipeline | WillR, abrotman : I disagree. |
| 19:00.04 | WillR | and i dont want to uy a new fucking card greycat.. but thanks.. i could buy a whole new pc and solve a world of problems im sure... |
| 19:00.12 | pipeline | WillR, abrotman : It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
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| 19:01.03 | WillR | its more like buying a $30 machine for someoen to sit at and answer calls.. and not wanting to blow a fortune ofr nothing... its jsut a shitty compaq... jsut want a reolution higher than 800x600 |
| 19:01.16 | greycat | dpkg, s3 is also <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 19:01.16 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 19:01.47 | pipeline | WillR: Throw that card away. It's that simple. I doubt it even supports 1024x768. Lots didn't. |
| 19:01.57 | ruied | tanks ppl! |
| 19:02.02 | pipeline | WillR: Back then, some chips were too slow to handle drawing that many lines. |
| 19:02.03 | WillR | aright... thanks. |
| 19:02.10 | greycat | WillR: are you somehow laboring under the delusion that if you whine hard enough, the collective minds of #debian will meld into a superhax0r and WRITE you a new driver that can magically solve all your financial woes? |
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| 19:02.13 | enyc | the clockrate is what matters |
| 19:02.18 | cureless | WillR: try to get vesa to go to 1024. Yo umight need to tweak the kernel parameters. (Just a guess, I haven't worked with those cards for a long time). |
| 19:02.32 | enyc | I have an s3 card that works to 1280x1024 |
| 19:02.42 | enyc | usually the video-memory is the limitation, not the chipset/type |
| 19:02.43 | WillR | (greycat): no i was just hopingfor a straight answer rather than smartass stupid ones |
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| 19:03.01 | enyc | often theres no definite answer , often rather situation/detail-specific ;-) |
| 19:03.04 | greycat | at least 4 people have told you the card is shit. how is that "smartass" or "stupid"? |
| 19:03.10 | abrotman | WillR: lspci |
| 19:03.13 | abrotman | need the cardm odel |
| 19:03.17 | abrotman | enyc: depends on the model |
| 19:03.20 | WillR | only one person told me without adding a stupid coment on the end |
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| 19:03.25 | pipeline | WillR: The straight answer is that that was an awful, horrible card by the standards of the day when it was made. Today, it's well beyond 'awful' |
| 19:03.30 | enyc | abro: well lots of things ;-) |
| 19:03.31 | WillR | VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Trio 64 3D (rev 01) |
| 19:03.40 | abrotman | tha'ts all it says ? |
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| 19:03.53 | Loevborg | willr, s3 trio should be supported fine by XFree |
| 19:03.57 | gary | Is there anyway to make music louder coming through the headphones other than turn the volume up on the application (xmms) or by adjusting the volume of the soundcard (using alsamixergui) |
| 19:04.09 | abrotman | WillR: well .. if i could get to the xfree site .. i'd get docs for oyu .. but apparently they don't love me anymore |
| 19:04.13 | greycat | gary: remove earwax. |
| 19:04.16 | cureless | gAri-: what? |
| 19:04.19 | ciro3 | italian channel debian? |
| 19:04.22 | greycat | !it |
| 19:04.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 19:04.24 | cureless | gAri- -:> gary. |
| 19:04.29 | ciro3 | thenks |
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| 19:04.51 | WillR | yeh thats al it says.. for video neways |
| 19:05.03 | cureless | wow, effective (ciro3) |
| 19:05.09 | greycat | oh... *we're* the stupid smartasses, but he writes "neways". |
| 19:05.12 | greycat | Jesus. |
| 19:05.34 | enyc | Trio64 probably wants the "s3" driver |
| 19:05.42 | enyc | I do infact have a problem with a "s3virge" driver |
| 19:05.45 | WillR | i never said nething about your spelling.. nor do i care :) |
| 19:05.50 | greycat | I can tell. |
| 19:05.51 | cureless | WillR: what drivers have you tried with XFree? |
| 19:05.52 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 19:05.55 | virgomoon | Has anyone else noticed us.cdimage.debian.org being VERY slow today? |
| 19:05.58 | tarzeau | !plonk |
| 19:05.59 | dpkg | methinks plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile |
| 19:06.05 | WillR | i tried "s3" and it wouldnt boot x |
| 19:06.07 | lewis | have you guys ever heard of sending POST information to a .html file before? |
| 19:06.08 | simonrvn | yeh, considering we actually put an effort to spell correctly... |
| 19:06.09 | enyc | -- works better in sarge-xfree86 than woody-xfree86 definitely |
| 19:06.09 | gary | greycat: lol, an abstract solution to the question - i like it! |
| 19:06.33 | greycat | simonrvn: I'd have to make an effort to spell as badly as he did. |
| 19:06.40 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:06.44 | tarzeau | lewis: to a CGI, yes |
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| 19:06.52 | tarzeau | lewis: POST and GET |
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| 19:07.02 | simonrvn | <form></form> |
| 19:07.04 | enyc | willr: what messages do you get from X server when you try to start in and/or /var/log/XFree86.0.log ?? |
| 19:07.11 | greycat | lewis: perhaps the .html "file" is really a program being executed on the server |
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| 19:07.49 | simonrvn | and you start, or launch x, you don't boot x. sheesh |
| 19:08.06 | cureless | WillR: like I said, (not knowing if it works), try to change the framebuffer config on the kernel parameters, then let X use that ( in case it works to more than 1024 ). |
| 19:08.09 | toresbe | simonrvn: you could say it |
| 19:08.11 | WillR | i wish irc had an eye rolling icon |
| 19:08.20 | lewis | nah - was just helping someone who swore his setup was working earlier, despite the fact he had html forms sending POST information to other .html files (which I checked) - I told him him to use .php files at the destination |
| 19:08.27 | ruied | I have also a PII 400, can should I install a kernel-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 19:08.28 | simonrvn | saying it doesn't make it correct |
| 19:08.32 | greycat | ruied: yes |
| 19:08.49 | toresbe | simonrvn: I mean, booting something just means starting it. You can boot userspace utils. |
| 19:08.51 | ruied | thanks |
| 19:09.04 | greycat | 15:08 neuronlapse|#Qmail> is this a good channel to ask for help with qmail? |
| 19:09.08 | greycat | *thud* *thud* *thud* |
| 19:09.13 | simonrvn | yeh, if you have it within that context, sure |
| 19:09.32 | WillR | ok thanks all... ill work at it a bit more... |
| 19:09.34 | simonrvn | but many people don't understand that :/ |
| 19:09.58 | simonrvn | greycat: same kind of weird shit in the other channels i'm in too |
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| 19:10.56 | toresbe | simonrvn: still, can't correct someone for it then :) |
| 19:11.27 | simonrvn | i admit you have a point |
| 19:12.18 | toresbe | :P |
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| 19:13.03 | simonrvn | oooh, it's all pink |
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| 19:13.28 | greycat | does it make pink waffles? |
| 19:13.41 | simonrvn | only with strawberries in them |
| 19:13.45 | greycat | oooh. |
| 19:15.13 | fms | is it possible to compile a custom kernel for debian NOT using the debian way? |
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| 19:15.30 | grogoreo | hi |
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| 19:15.33 | fms | because i prefer compiling my kernels the easy&working way |
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| 19:15.51 | KillerBunny | You can compile it normally. |
| 19:16.05 | KillerBunny | Why should it be any differnt ? |
| 19:16.05 | fms | and then copy the bzImage and everything will be fine? |
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| 19:16.15 | Loevborg | fms, yes. |
| 19:16.19 | httpdss | which mail server would be good to manage 4500 accounts (more or less) ?? |
| 19:16.24 | grogoreo | I've installed Debian Sarge using the Debian Installer and have found that I'm using unstable, would it be easy enough to change the respositories to stable? and maybe do a dist upgrade? |
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| 19:16.45 | grogoreo | httpdss: i think exim is good |
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| 19:17.17 | grogoreo | httpdss, I read in a magazine, Linux Format (UK) that its good and beath all others, like sendmail etc |
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| 19:17.23 | httpdss | Okie .. any other suggetion ??!¡ |
| 19:17.30 | fms | KillerBunny, because i found a lot of how to's for debian explaining stuff with make-kpkg and shit |
| 19:17.31 | Mr-R | httpdss: postfix |
| 19:17.49 | Mr-R | httpdss: but it depends on your needs... |
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| 19:18.12 | KillerBunny | Cause its easyer to maintain with the package manager. |
| 19:18.32 | osity | anyone know software raid 1 setup??? please! |
| 19:18.52 | pipeline | osity: The installer allows you to set up software RAID through a GUI. |
| 19:19.01 | pipeline | osity: The key words are md and mdadm |
| 19:19.07 | fms | KillerBunny, it is not...i never had troubles when i just did wget kernel.org...blahlbah, compiled my kernel and pointed /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/mykernel |
| 19:19.27 | KillerBunny | Well there is a reason they make the tools fms. |
| 19:19.28 | Loevborg | fms, thanks for pointing that out. |
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| 19:19.33 | osity | pipeline: so it it has a gui why do you need mdadm? |
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| 19:19.40 | osity | *if |
| 19:19.43 | pipeline | grogoreo: You definitely do not want to downgrade to stable. That's hard to do. |
| 19:19.45 | roods | can you zip a 22gig tar file |
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| 19:19.50 | KillerBunny | I dont think there is much to discuss here, it might be a matter of taste. |
| 19:19.57 | pipeline | osity: You need mdadm installed in order to start the arrays on boot. |
| 19:20.02 | grogoreo | httpdss, what features are you looking for? POP IMAP SSL |
| 19:20.07 | pipeline | grogoreo: You can, however, downgrade to sarge, usually. |
| 19:20.08 | osity | pipeline do you know the setup? |
| 19:20.20 | grogoreo | pipeline, ok, thanks. I'm using sarge now |
| 19:20.22 | fms | if anyone would tell me the name of the header files that i should use with that debian kernel: Linux fenris 2.6.8-1-386 #1 Thu Nov 11 12:18:43 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:20.22 | httpdss | Mr-R: its for multiple domains, with 60 accounts (average) on each one |
| 19:20.25 | osity | pipeline: and can you spare some time? |
| 19:20.26 | xophEr | when I try to run synaptic as non root from the gnome-menu, I get this error: Failed to execute child process.. After updating synaptic a few days ago there appeared another 'synaptic' in the menu, I removed one of them and now it doesnt start.. |
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| 19:20.41 | pipeline | osity: I'm not going to explain it to you. There's reams of information on the internet. If you do it at setup time, the installer is self explanatory. |
| 19:20.57 | grendal_prime | ok im trying to connect to remote machine and fire up an x application but i keep getting "unable to open display" |
| 19:21.10 | pipeline | fms: kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386, I would think |
| 19:21.23 | osity | pipelineL well thanks anyway.... i've been attemptig it for a month now with howto's to no avail |
| 19:21.25 | pipeline | grendal_prime: You don't have a valid X DISPLAY variable. |
| 19:21.31 | Mr-R | httpdss: i had some good local support for setting up postfix and i stuck with it. online-documentation is quite okay, too. |
| 19:21.46 | pipeline | osity: Setting up software RAID with mdadm is pretty easy, especially through d-i. |
| 19:21.50 | fms | pipeline, E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 19:21.56 | httpdss | Mr-R: k thx |
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| 19:22.03 | fms | and wihtout correct kernel headers => no nvaudio driver |
| 19:22.04 | osity | pipeline: even with expereinced help i have had little success....clos a few times though/... |
| 19:22.05 | grendal_prime | pipeline, ya...but thing is..how do i get one |
| 19:22.16 | grendal_prime | i mean i though that i just needed to set up xhost + |
| 19:22.23 | fms | nvidia (graphics driver) compiles with other...but wrong headers |
| 19:22.24 | grendal_prime | but i just get a blank line on that |
| 19:22.31 | pipeline | grendal_prime: "xhost +" disables access control. |
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| 19:22.41 | pipeline | grendal_prime: It doesn't necessarily mean that you have a valid DISPLAY variable. |
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| 19:22.56 | ZorroPlateado | samba in sarge has acl support? |
| 19:23.12 | pipeline | grendal_prime: The easiest way to get remote X working is to enable X11Forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the remote system |
| 19:23.24 | pipeline | ZorroPlateado: I believe so, but you may have to use tune2fs to enable ACLs on the filesystem. |
| 19:23.27 | grendal_prime | ya did that |
| 19:23.30 | grendal_prime | still no dice |
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| 19:23.44 | pipeline | grendal_prime: Then, run ssh with "-X" when you connect to the remote system. |
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| 19:24.00 | pipeline | grendal_prime: Keep in mind that you have to run that command from a terminal that already has permission to connect to the local X server (e.g. an xterm) |
| 19:24.05 | grendal_prime | now...thing is i am going through a router ..but its a linux router as well and i do have xll forwarding enabled on it as well |
| 19:24.14 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 19:24.29 | S4nD3r_ | Please, I need to share my printer, Im using GNOME, Debian Sarge, which site may I get help about it ? |
| 19:24.48 | pipeline | S4nD3r_: Is your printer already set up? |
| 19:25.08 | S4nD3r_ | Yes |
| 19:25.09 | grendal_prime | S4nD3r_, share with what windows machines? |
| 19:25.13 | grendal_prime | you need samba for that |
| 19:25.21 | pipeline | he shouldn't need samba for that |
| 19:25.30 | pipeline | Windows has LPR/LPD print drivers |
| 19:25.43 | S4nD3r_ | I just need to share printter |
| 19:25.45 | grogoreo | how can I stop the X Server running on the client PC but run in the background. Will running it in the background use any resources rather than having it start up at boot for a graphical login? What I want to do is have an X Server running on one computer then on my main computer connect to it using Gnome |
| 19:25.51 | grendal_prime | ya..but i mean compaired to setting up samba... |
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| 19:26.10 | pipeline | S4nD3r_: eh, http://www.owlfish.com/thoughts/winipp-cups-2003-07-20.html is probably what you want. |
| 19:26.19 | osity | pipeline: how long should the raid 1 setup take? |
| 19:26.23 | pipeline | grendal_prime: There's no need to set up something as complex as Samba when windows can access a CUPS or LPR/LPD printer directly. |
| 19:26.44 | anymous | hey, just upgraded to sarge from woody, worked very well... |
| 19:26.47 | pipeline | osity: It should take about thirty seconds to set it up. How long it takes for the disks to sync depends on how big the disks are. |
| 19:26.58 | grendal_prime | guess your right...just seems like every time im doing that im also setting up file server as well |
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| 19:28.33 | osity | pipeline: well its taken over 3 months....there seems to be a million and on ways to set it up from what I've tried with different help.... |
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| 19:29.01 | pipeline | osity: Yes, it's quite flexible. And if you read the documentation, it shouldn't take more than a few minutes. Leave me alone, eh? |
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| 19:29.38 | osity | pipeline: dick :) |
| 19:29.44 | pipeline | osity: Fool. |
| 19:30.21 | streuner | hm |
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| 19:30.58 | simonrvn | did mercury go retro today? sheesh |
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| 19:31.36 | pipeline | grendal_prime: And yes, you do need X11 forwarding enabled on any system you're SSH'ing to. |
| 19:32.01 | pipeline | grendal_prime: I used to ssh -X to my gateway system, then ssh -X to systems behind the firewall to run X clients. |
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| 19:34.08 | grendal_prime | ok pipeline ill try that |
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| 19:35.53 | grendal_prime | i get the same error |
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| 19:35.59 | grendal_prime | cannot connect to x server |
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| 19:36.24 | grendal_prime | ive done this before..its werid |
| 19:36.46 | grendal_prime | new machine...and i built it in a hurry...i did something different with it and i cant figure out what it is |
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| 19:43.34 | FarrisG | Anyone have any recommendations for 400GB+ USB2.0 hard drives? I just bought a couple of Seagate 400GB usb drives that are giving me a lot of grief using rdiff-backup, and I'm pretty sure one of them is already fried. |
| 19:43.58 | Bazzi | :X |
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| 19:44.13 | grendal_prime | Mr-R, thanks..but its already done |
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| 19:44.31 | grendal_prime | now do i want the agent forwarded as well? |
| 19:44.38 | grendal_prime | because i set that to yes as well |
| 19:44.52 | Mr-R | grendal_prime: i never use the agent |
| 19:44.53 | xai | I have a system I installed remotely, but for some reason it hangs on Syslog. Any ideas why? |
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| 19:45.39 | greycat | xai: hosed network. hosed DNS. sort of thing. |
| 19:45.48 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 19:47.05 | xai | greycat: why would network affect syslog? |
| 19:47.13 | xai | Or dns. ? |
| 19:47.18 | greycat | xai: I believe it looks up its own hostname |
| 19:47.26 | xai | aha.. Ok.. thanks. |
| 19:47.44 | grendal_prime | now i do get this when i log in via ssh Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. |
| 19:47.51 | grendal_prime | but thats normal right? |
| 19:47.56 | grendal_prime | thats at the router |
| 19:48.06 | cahoot | grendal_prime: xauth not installed? |
| 19:48.08 | j_k | \ |
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| 19:49.00 | j_k | sorry my cat is spamming :-) |
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| 19:49.18 | bztunk | kill the cat! |
| 19:49.22 | j_k | 01111111 |
| 19:49.30 | grendal_prime | i dont know |
| 19:49.35 | grendal_prime | kinda strange |
| 19:49.41 | j_k | i think i'm going to ban it from the room instead... |
| 19:49.48 | Mr-R | grendal_prime: you cant login directly to the host? |
| 19:49.57 | grendal_prime | sure |
| 19:50.04 | grendal_prime | you mean at the actual machine? |
| 19:50.12 | Mr-R | grendal_prime: yes |
| 19:50.19 | grendal_prime | ya i can... |
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| 19:51.05 | grendal_prime | here is the situations machineA = laptop machineB = debian router machineC= machine on the other side of router ...all three are linux machines |
| 19:51.09 | greycat | cats can evade bans pretty easily. be careful. |
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| 19:52.02 | grendal_prime | i want to run an x app, ON the laptop THROUGH the gatway(router) FROM machineC |
| 19:52.44 | Mr-R | grendal_prime: and a direct login to machineC? |
| 19:52.45 | j_k | greycat: oh, yes, I know this from experience. It's soooo warm on top of this screen that it'll do anything to get back there ;-) |
| 19:52.56 | Mr-R | grendal_prime: or has it got a private IP? |
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| 19:53.19 | BleSS | Files and directories standars :: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RI8Pzf96.nln.html |
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| 19:54.24 | grendal_prime | private ip |
| 19:54.36 | greycat | j_k: one word: LCD. |
| 19:54.44 | grendal_prime | im ssh first to the router...then ssh to machineC |
| 19:54.53 | greycat | (joyoftech.com even has a comic about that, but I can't be bothered searching for it right now) |
| 19:54.53 | grendal_prime | they you know fire up...kedit or something small |
| 19:54.59 | Mr-R | grendal_prime: oh. bad. simple solution would be to forward the ssh-port from the router (at another port) |
| 19:54.59 | streuner | j_k: where do you live? In france? |
| 19:55.11 | grendal_prime | ya..but... |
| 19:55.21 | grendal_prime | thing is there are several machines on the other side i want to admin |
| 19:55.29 | j_k | graycat: :-) streuner: yes. |
| 19:55.30 | grendal_prime | i could just run vnc on them i guess |
| 19:55.32 | rj- | anyone know of any programs that can scan my 192.168.1.x subnet and find computers? |
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| 19:55.36 | xsdg | how do I query the debconf priority? |
| 19:55.36 | xsdg | . |
| 19:55.44 | xsdg | "oops" -- too much zephyr :o) |
| 19:55.51 | j_k | rj-: nmap, using -P |
| 19:55.58 | cahoot | grendal_prime: dpkg -l| grep xbase |
| 19:55.59 | streuner | j_k: odd, its not warm in france or you live in south of france actually... |
| 19:56.01 | rj- | j_k: thats what i figured -- let me try it out. |
| 19:56.11 | Mr-R | grendal_prime: and if you allow X11Forwarding on the router, too? |
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| 19:56.36 | grendal_prime | its actually faster than x11..the problem that i have right now is there is NO x session running, NOBODY to start one and i want to setup the desktop there for....the users that will have to use it tomorro |
| 19:56.41 | xsdg | greycat: any ideas? |
| 19:56.48 | grendal_prime | mr, ya it is turned on on the router as well |
| 19:56.56 | j_k | streuner: it's warm on top of my screen, and here during summer (ie, not yet :-| ) |
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| 19:57.23 | streuner | j_k: so take the advice of greycat, you'll need it... |
| 19:57.29 | jayc | greetings, I need to know how I can control the permissions used on the nfs client in debian? I've looked in /etc/ and I don't see any config files can someone help me figure out how to make debian's nfs client mount my nfs share with world writeable permissions like my old RH9 box does? |
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| 19:57.35 | grendal_prime | cahoot, |
| 19:57.36 | grendal_prime | ii xbase-clients 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 miscellaneous X clients |
| 19:57.38 | rj- | j_k: i dont under stand how to do it with nmap -- can you provide me the syntax please? |
| 19:57.39 | simonrvn | xsdg: hehe "too much zephyr" ;) |
| 19:58.02 | cahoot | grendal_prime: ok - I'll not interfere anymore |
| 19:58.45 | streuner | j_k: s/of/from/ |
| 19:58.57 | grendal_prime | cahoot? to bad...im totally confused |
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| 19:59.13 | xsdg | simonrvn: zephyr is like SMTP; type a "." to signify "EOM" |
| 19:59.39 | simonrvn | yup. i know, i run it :). still pretty newbie at it, but it's neat :) |
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| 20:00.11 | simonrvn | you use zwrite or owl or something? |
| 20:00.26 | rj- | :( |
| 20:00.37 | xsdg | simonrvn: usually owl; zwrite when I'm being lazy |
| 20:00.43 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 20:00.52 | xsdg | simonrvn: do you just use it in-house? |
| 20:00.58 | simonrvn | gaim has zephyr, but it's a bit lame |
| 20:01.00 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 20:01.06 | simonrvn | for now anyway |
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| 20:01.27 | Mr-R | grendal_prime: do you have a working XF86Config for that hardware? |
| 20:01.29 | xsdg | simonrvn: aah, ::nod:: |
| 20:01.34 | Nasyptic | hello/salut |
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| 20:01.45 | simonrvn | wanna install the kerby build since i have kerberos working now, see how that goes |
| 20:01.52 | j_k | rj-: nmap -P '192.168.1.*', IIRC |
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| 20:02.00 | miks | What a nice text editor for editing 4gl code that will color code syntax |
| 20:02.04 | simonrvn | rj-: nmap --help |
| 20:02.19 | xai | greycat: will it eventually timeout? |
| 20:02.33 | xai | greycat: syslogd's name lookups that is. |
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| 20:02.49 | TwistedEmotions | I will eat all your hearts! |
| 20:02.57 | simonrvn | yeh yeh. whatever |
| 20:02.59 | TwistedEmotions | I mean hi. |
| 20:03.12 | TwistedEmotions | haha got one person to leave. |
| 20:03.15 | TwistedEmotions | ^^^ |
| 20:03.18 | BleSS | i'm building a tool for configure country localization, so i'm in dude for building a file with those data or use those files |
| 20:03.21 | rj- | j_k: sudo nmap -n -sP -PI 192.168.1.1-255 |
| 20:03.21 | greycat | xai: it should time out within 30-60 seconds for each nameserver listed in resolv.conf |
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| 20:03.27 | greycat | xai: or at least, I'd hope so. |
| 20:03.41 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: Stab any penguins today? |
| 20:03.57 | redguy_ | jayc: tried /etc/fstab ? |
| 20:03.58 | j_k | rj-: ok, I did not RC :-P |
| 20:03.58 | greycat | no, today has been stabbing-free so far. |
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| 20:04.33 | _jamie | any idea what's clobbering parts of my apache2 conf dir? |
| 20:04.34 | jayc | redguy_: I copied the fstab entries from the RH9 box, in theory that should make the mount the same right? or is debian or RH wierd? |
| 20:05.23 | _jamie | jayc: they're the same basically... although some kernel features (ie devfs, usbdevfs) might be set up differently. if you're using an identical kernel, should be ok. |
| 20:05.34 | grendal_prime | im just vncing into the damn thing |
| 20:05.44 | redguy_ | jayc: it should, try playing with the mount point permissions then |
| 20:05.52 | TwistedEmotions | grey: errr where do you live that you have access to penguins? |
| 20:06.15 | grendal_prime | i dont konw what the hell happened..but...o well..vnc works ok..and im going to have to do that with the stupid windows machines on the other side anyway |
| 20:06.25 | jayc | _jamie: I think the kernel vers are diff |
| 20:06.36 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: I have no clue what you're talking about. you asked whether I'd stabbed any, and I replied in the negative. |
| 20:06.45 | quinten | hey, where is apxs for apache2? |
| 20:06.45 | _jamie | well, it should still work, although you might have some minor issues |
| 20:06.51 | TwistedEmotions | !lol |
| 20:06.51 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. |
| 20:06.52 | greycat | quinten: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:06.53 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: what did you smoke today? |
| 20:06.54 | slushpupie | jayc: one thing to keep in mind is some redhat installs use labels for mount points- you may want to just use the device names |
| 20:07.00 | greycat | ah. |
| 20:07.02 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.02 | Mr-R | grendal_prime: or try rdesktop with windows-remote-desktop :) |
| 20:07.04 | _jamie | slushpupie: good point |
| 20:07.05 | TwistedEmotions | See.. |
| 20:07.08 | greycat | I didn't write that. |
| 20:07.09 | jayc | _jamie: 2.4 on the RH9 and 2.6 on the new Debian box |
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| 20:07.16 | simonrvn | !factinfo lol |
| 20:07.16 | dpkg | lol -- last modified at Sat Apr 23 23:17:18 2005 by citral!~christoph@gtn9-d9bb98ed.pool.mediaWays.net; it has been requested 28 times, last by TwistedEmotions, 25s ago. |
| 20:07.23 | TwistedEmotions | streuner:Marlboro Reds.. |
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| 20:07.27 | jayc | _jamie: know of any caveats between those two kernel vers of nfs? |
| 20:07.28 | TwistedEmotions | Ohhh.. |
| 20:07.28 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: hm |
| 20:07.30 | _jamie | jayc: well, they can both or either be configured for devfs. that'd have a big impact |
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| 20:07.43 | _jamie | yes. what is your current /dev/hda1 line look like? |
| 20:08.00 | jayc | _jamie: I'm using the kernel-image-2.6.8.2 deb |
| 20:08.39 | jayc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.39 | quinten | greycat: i tried already, i'm only find it for apache 1.x |
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| 20:08.52 | greycat | !find apxs sid |
| 20:08.53 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: sunday is over ;-) |
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| 20:08.58 | jayc | _jamie: that's my root partition it's hdb :) |
| 20:08.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apxs' (4 of 5): (/usr/bin/{apxs|apxs-perl|apxs-ssl}) in devel/apache-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/apache-doc/manual/programs/apxs.html) in doc/apache-doc ;; (/usr/bin/apxs2) in devel/apache2-prefork-dev,devel/apache2-threaded-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/libapache-request-perl/examples/c/testapreq/Makefile.apxs) in perl/libapache-request-perl. |
| 20:09.08 | simonrvn | it's in apache2-dev |
| 20:09.10 | greycat | pick one. |
| 20:09.10 | xai | Is it possible that syslogd needs a kernel module that i have left out? |
| 20:09.17 | simonrvn | or s/2// |
| 20:09.20 | greycat | apache2-*-dev |
| 20:09.25 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: Right... good point... better get back to my job of drinking 40 hours a day.. |
| 20:09.33 | greycat | xai: it shouldn't... |
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| 20:09.54 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: and I *do* mean 40 hours a day.. I'm a overaciever. |
| 20:09.56 | greycat | xai: well, unless you left out something like unix domain sockets, but that would be loony. |
| 20:10.02 | _jamie | anyone care to convert that /dev/hdb1 entry to the devfs naming convention? maybe jayc is now running devfs on debian (although i don't think that's in the standard 2.6 debian kernel, is it?) |
| 20:10.04 | xai | greycat: ok.. i'll just wait it out this time.. |
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| 20:10.06 | greycat | (or TCP/IP, etc.) |
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| 20:10.20 | xai | greycat: i can ping it.. |
| 20:10.45 | xai | So i know it has networking. I don't think im looney enough to leave out unix domain sockets. |
| 20:10.55 | jayc | _jamie: but I only have problems with the nfs mount, it seems the debian server makes it all secure like, where RH9 let everyone do whatever they wanted, is there a way I can make the debian server do that? it's a pointless little share so if it's insecure it's ok just as long as the perl script can write files to the nfs mount |
| 20:10.57 | _jamie | jayc what's going on? what's the problem? i hopped in late and didn't see your original question. are you getting can't mount root on startup or something? |
| 20:11.45 | MagicHands | has anyone got the 82801DB ICH4 AC97 type of soundcard working with linux? I just bought this new laptop and ogg123 plays files but Ican't hear anything. I opened a mixer and unmuted everything and set all volumes and PCM to max, but no go :( |
| 20:12.02 | _jamie | jayc: well... check your /etc/exports and /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny to see... also add a line to /etc/syslogd.conf like this: *.* /var/log/everything.log and restart syslog, then tail -f that file as you attempt to mount from the client. |
| 20:12.18 | jayc | _jamie: no all my filesystems mount fine, my problem is I have an nfs share that I need to mount and have it be world writeable, this seems to be the behaviour on RH9 but not on debian |
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| 20:12.33 | _jamie | compare the two /etc/exports files. |
| 20:12.37 | streuner | MagicHands: so alsaconf found the card? |
| 20:12.53 | _jamie | jayc is it readable right now or no access at all? |
| 20:12.59 | redguy_ | jayc: earlier you said that the client is different |
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| 20:13.11 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: http://radio.c64.org:8000/ |
| 20:13.19 | jayc | _jamie: it's readable, and I can make files as root but apache or perl apparently can't write to it |
| 20:13.40 | MagicHands | streuner: yeah |
| 20:13.41 | jayc | _jamie: I need the user www-data to have write access to it I think |
| 20:13.49 | MagicHands | streuner: intel8x0 or something |
| 20:14.02 | MagicHands | streuner: and when I tried OSS, it came up as i810 audio |
| 20:14.07 | streuner | MagicHands: install aumix |
| 20:14.14 | jayc | _jamie: the easiest way might be to just make it writeable by everyone if possible |
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| 20:14.21 | streuner | MagicHands: and unmute everything |
| 20:14.23 | j_k | jayc: that's standard unix permissions, then. Did you check them? Do your uids still match ? |
| 20:14.50 | MagicHands | streuner: whats so different about aumix compared to kmix, gmix and others? I _did_ unmute everything and set all settings to maximum |
| 20:15.05 | [TSP]Aradorn | streuner: what genre is that? |
| 20:15.13 | jayc | j_k: no, on the RH9 box the nfs share looks like it's owned by 235:ftp and on debian it's root:sys |
| 20:15.26 | streuner | [TSP]Aradorn: they usually play Trance |
| 20:15.40 | _jamie | jayc: you need to mount it as rw on the client side... and you need to export it as writable on the server side. i'm not an nfs guru though, so maybe you should ask on #linux... be sure to paste any relevant lines in /etc/exports, /etc/hosts.deny, and /etc/hosts.allow (on server) and /etc/fstab (on client) |
| 20:15.47 | MagicHands | streuner: this is kernel 2.6.5, if that helps anyway |
| 20:15.53 | j_k | jayc: it's weird that 235 maps to root ! |
| 20:16.03 | jayc | j_k: are the permissions set through the fstab? must be because the nfs server is not actually changing |
| 20:16.25 | streuner | MagicHands: what version of debian are you running actually? |
| 20:16.33 | jayc | j_k: well 235:ftp owns the dir on the RH9 and when the same nfs share is mounted on the Debian box it's owned by root:sys |
| 20:16.44 | MagicHands | streuner: its a sarge DVD rom |
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| 20:17.09 | streuner | MagicHands: /j #flood |
| 20:17.11 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here have a printer connected to their system that they share with a windows computer? |
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| 20:17.25 | bucky | MagicHands, i'd suggest upgrading the kernel from the install kernel you have there |
| 20:17.26 | j_k | jayc: does ls -ln give the same number on both ends ? Did you use any special mount options ? |
| 20:17.28 | jayc | _jami: the server side is configured because RH9 works with it, so it has to be a debian problem I imagine |
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| 20:17.48 | bucky | MagicHands, btw ... aumix reqires alsa-oss |
| 20:17.55 | jayc | j_k: I copied the fstab entry from the RH9 box so it should be mounting identically on both |
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| 20:18.01 | TwistedEmotions | Was that for me? |
| 20:18.12 | jayc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:18.25 | dafen | anyone has any luck with intel motherboarded soundmax system ? |
| 20:18.25 | jayc | that's my line that mounts the nfs share in question |
| 20:18.29 | dafen | it says AC97 |
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| 20:18.50 | jayc | dafen: ALSA supports it, in the kernel config under sound |
| 20:18.50 | slyboots | (.:13223): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_get_origin: assertion `window != NULL' failed |
| 20:19.02 | dafen | hmmm, how well it's supported? |
| 20:19.06 | slyboots | When I try to use a JOption.InputDialog command |
| 20:19.26 | redguy_ | jayc: and who owns /var/www/altos ? |
| 20:19.26 | streuner | MagicHands: so why do you ask ubuntu questions in #debian? |
| 20:19.27 | jayc | dafen: my laptop uses AC97 and it works fine |
| 20:19.35 | j_k | jayc: the problem is that your uids don't match on both machines. You'll have to somehow synchronise them for the users which access the same NFS directories. That can be tricky, though. |
| 20:19.42 | dafen | ok... gotta compile kernel again.. yuck |
| 20:19.43 | jayc | dafen: but I have an ESS/Maestro3 card but it uses the AC97 codec |
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| 20:19.55 | MagicHands | streuner: because I am facing the problem in both distros... |
| 20:20.09 | xai | greycat: i misspelled reiserfs as riserfs |
| 20:20.23 | greycat | xai: oh, so it wasn't syslogd's fault at all then? |
| 20:20.23 | bucky | MagicHands, because no one can give an answer in #ubuntu ? |
| 20:20.26 | xai | All the partitions exectp / . |
| 20:20.35 | xai | greycat: i don't think so.. |
| 20:20.36 | MagicHands | bucky: true :) |
| 20:20.48 | bucky | upgrade to linux |
| 20:20.50 | xai | So the thing boots, but it won't jam. |
| 20:21.15 | xai | I should say boogie.. I'm installing it remotely, so i have to get someone to keep booting into knoppix. |
| 20:21.19 | MagicHands | ahh...I found a page saying the latest version of ubuntu solves the problem...I think i';; check out that kernel and then upgrade sarge to it |
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| 20:21.59 | enyc | Hrrm |
| 20:22.01 | bucky | MagicHands, ubuntu != debian |
| 20:22.12 | enyc | ubuntu debian _based_ ;-) |
| 20:22.26 | slyboots | Anyone here got a (.:13223): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_window_get_origin: assertion `window != NULL' failed while working with Java? |
| 20:22.42 | bucky | enyc, mandrake is redhat based.. should i ask a mandrake question in #redhat? |
| 20:22.50 | enyc | various packages not in debian, and various changes / so-forth ;-) All sorts rather different |
| 20:23.05 | enyc | buck: generally not, generally go use whatever mandrake forums/channels mandrake provide ;-) |
| 20:23.06 | MagicHands | bucky: i know...I've been using debain since the days of slink...i tried it on my laptop and it did not work, so I tried the next best thing i.e a distro based on debian |
| 20:23.17 | shingoki | I think you can do some strange debian to ubuntu thing, but I don't know if it is a great idea :) |
| 20:23.26 | enyc | Ive heard that works... |
| 20:23.33 | bucky | MagicHands, next best thing? |
| 20:23.50 | enyc | Ubuntu _is_ good generally... its ..different.. than the packages/so-forth available in debian though a lot is similar |
| 20:23.54 | bucky | all that good support you're getting in #ubuntu |
| 20:24.02 | shingoki | ubuntu is pretty nice, but TBH I can't think of anything much it actually does better than plain sarge |
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| 20:24.12 | enyc | so go talk to people who use your distribution etc. ;-) |
| 20:24.18 | enyc | Anyway |
| 20:24.25 | enyc | there were some peopel here mentiining S3 video cards |
| 20:24.32 | MagicHands | bucky: naturally...if debian does not work after considerable tweaking, one will go to a distro that claims to auto detect everything..and which is based on debian too, so one can apt-get later on |
| 20:24.32 | bucky | ubuntu is knoppix based on sid and with a bastardized version of dpkg |
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| 20:24.48 | shingoki | no it isn't |
| 20:24.51 | enyc | I in-fact have an issue/problem at the moment ;-) |
| 20:25.04 | shingoki | thats a pretty insane description, and wrong in almost every regard |
| 20:25.06 | bucky | MagicHands, naturally i'd think you'd ask a ubuntu question in #ubuntu |
| 20:25.10 | MagicHands | bucky: besides which, I came here to try and get my card working on sarge...that I mentioned ubuntu was incidental :) |
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| 20:25.42 | MagicHands | bucky: but your point is taken |
| 20:26.02 | streuner | MagicHands: what model do you have (laptop)? |
| 20:26.27 | MagicHands | streuner: Compaq Presario M2002AL http://h50025.www5.hp.com/hpcom/in_en/11_29_64_3693summary.html |
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| 20:26.48 | FlyingPenguin | I just installed a RAID controller (Highpoint RocketRAID 2220) and am having issues installing the driver. I am running the 2.6.8 kernel and have compiled the driver. Whenever i do a insmod ./drivername I get this "insmod: error inserting './hptmv6.ko': -1 No such device" |
| 20:26.50 | Gnurdux | how does one build a debian package from source? |
| 20:26.54 | MagicHands | streuner: it came with 3 install CD's of Mandrake 9.2 which I never bothered to install :) |
| 20:27.29 | Gnurdux | i want to build socket++, there is a woody package but i want to link it against sarge libs |
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| 20:28.48 | FlyingPenguin | Gnurdux: from linuxquestions.org "make-kpkg clean" then "make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-mykernelname kernel_image" |
| 20:28.56 | Gnurdux | no |
| 20:29.01 | Gnurdux | not kernel |
| 20:29.02 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 20:29.19 | Gnurdux | i want to build Socket++ |
| 20:29.25 | FlyingPenguin | Gnurdux: well crap... i mis read |
| 20:29.34 | directhex | Gnurdux, run dh_make, then edit debian/control, then run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:29.42 | directhex | Gnurdux, if you're lucky, that's it |
| 20:29.43 | Gnurdux | i see |
| 20:29.47 | Gnurdux | whats debian/control? |
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| 20:29.57 | Gnurdux | oh the debian dir |
| 20:30.05 | Gnurdux | what that be in the orig.tar.gz? |
| 20:30.06 | cureless | Gnurdux: read the docs |
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| 20:30.30 | simonrvn | no, the orig tarball wouldn't have the debian dir files... |
| 20:30.52 | gast | connect |
| 20:31.03 | Gnurdux | where would it be then? |
| 20:31.10 | simonrvn | the diff.gz |
| 20:31.16 | Gnurdux | ah ok |
| 20:31.17 | Gnurdux | thnx |
| 20:31.23 | cureless | Gnurdux: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide |
| 20:31.35 | simonrvn | thank you cureless |
| 20:31.43 | cureless | Gnurdux: or if you have specific questions maybe #debian-devel will have a quick answer |
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| 20:32.46 | streuner | MagicHands: I've found none entry in usenet, so that model is pretty easy to setup or brandnew - why not install mdk and use debootstrap to use debian then? |
| 20:32.54 | simonrvn | gast: your problem? |
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| 20:33.29 | gast | just trying to understand something - your country was interesting me - no matter ;-) |
| 20:33.41 | cureless | gast: ? |
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| 20:33.54 | gast | ok,ok... |
| 20:33.55 | simonrvn | considering that i have a mask, i don't see how you could see what country i'm in |
| 20:33.56 | enyc | flyi: hrrm well what do you see on 'dmesg' ? |
| 20:34.19 | enyc | Often there is more details/information from the "dmesg" output than you get when just running insmod // modprobe |
| 20:34.31 | Gnurdux | is the diff.gz a tarball? |
| 20:34.39 | enyc | you might find the module you are loading requires a other and hence 'modprobe' 'ing the file you want might work [??] |
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| 20:34.42 | simonrvn | you could've just asked... |
| 20:34.49 | enyc | gnur: no, its' not tar'ed... |
| 20:34.55 | enyc | 'thats a gzipped' diff |
| 20:34.58 | Gnurdux | so how do i unzip it? |
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| 20:35.09 | enyc | gunzip whatever.gz |
| 20:35.12 | FlyingPenguin | enyc: i am putty'd into to it how can i check it? |
| 20:35.15 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 20:35.20 | Gnurdux | but the debian dir... |
| 20:35.23 | greycat | Gnurdux: or just zless |
| 20:35.26 | enyc | flyi: run the 'dmesg' command |
| 20:35.35 | simonrvn | i don't think you should be messing with that if you don't even know how to decompress a gzipped file... |
| 20:35.35 | enyc | depends what you want to do with it... |
| 20:35.45 | Gnurdux | i do |
| 20:35.49 | Gnurdux | i decompressed it |
| 20:35.50 | Gnurdux | someone said |
| 20:35.57 | Gnurdux | that the debian dir wo8uld be "in" it |
| 20:36.03 | Gnurdux | so i assumed i would tar |
| 20:36.10 | Gnurdux | so i gunzipped |
| 20:36.14 | Gnurdux | then tried to untar |
| 20:36.16 | directhex | Gnurdux, you've lost us. start again. are you using source code, ior a debian source package? |
| 20:36.17 | Gnurdux | got error |
| 20:36.20 | Gnurdux | so i asked in here |
| 20:36.24 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 20:36.25 | cbr | why do i get this? |
| 20:36.25 | cbr | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied |
| 20:36.27 | Gnurdux | wait |
| 20:36.34 | enyc | its' a diff (difference) file -- read about using 'patch' if you want to apply a 'diff' to something else... |
| 20:36.35 | Gnurdux | whats a debian source package? |
| 20:36.39 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 20:36.44 | Gnurdux | so what do i patch? |
| 20:36.45 | greycat | Gnurdux: the thing you get on "apt-get source foobar" |
| 20:36.48 | directhex | a .dsc, and accompanying files |
| 20:36.51 | greycat | Gnurdux: /msg dpkg source |
| 20:36.51 | Gnurdux | yes its that |
| 20:36.52 | Gnurdux | dsc |
| 20:36.53 | Gnurdux | etc |
| 20:36.55 | cureless | he's using a debian source package. |
| 20:36.56 | FlyingPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.58 | FlyingPenguin | hptmv6:0: no controller detected. |
| 20:36.59 | FlyingPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.06 | streuner | !tell Gnurdux about enter |
| 20:37.06 | enyc | cbr: maybe you have a /bin/bash in your chroot environment which does not have "x" (execute) permission |
| 20:37.17 | enyc | cbr: what command are you trying to run to load your chroot environment ? |
| 20:37.34 | cbr | enyc: chroot /mnt/blah /bin/bash |
| 20:37.51 | cbr | -rwxr-xr-x |
| 20:37.55 | cbr | it has those bits |
| 20:38.00 | enyc | cbr: so you have /mnt/blah/bin/bash file ? |
| 20:38.03 | cbr | yes |
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| 20:40.05 | cureless | cbr: don't use bash :-) |
| 20:40.08 | directhex | slyboots, not really |
| 20:40.17 | directhex | slyboots, one's more up to date, that's about it |
| 20:40.19 | cbr | enyc: you mean: ldd /mnt/blah/bin/bash? |
| 20:40.23 | slyboots | hmm.. kay |
| 20:40.24 | slyboots | Thanks |
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| 20:40.26 | directhex | slyboots, xorg is a fork of xfree86 4.4rc2 |
| 20:40.37 | enyc | cbr: well.. whatever file you originally copied to /mnt/blah/bin/bash |
| 20:40.39 | slyboots | I think I'll give it a miss then |
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| 20:40.50 | slyboots | Compling X from source sounds like its going to take a while :D |
| 20:40.56 | joel_ | streuner: ati 3d rage I/II mach 64 GT (an old macintosh) |
| 20:40.59 | simonrvn | slyboots: it is |
| 20:41.00 | cbr | # ldd /mnt/blah/bin/bash |
| 20:41.00 | cbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.01 | directhex | joel_, what video card do you have? monitor settings can be found by running hwinfo --monitor |
| 20:41.15 | enyc | cbr: hrrrm.. odd... where did you get this /mnt/blah/bin/bash file from ? |
| 20:41.20 | simonrvn | joel_: ati driver, /dev/input/mice imps2 mouse |
| 20:41.21 | enyc | is that another installation/distribution etc. ?? |
| 20:41.27 | cbr | enyc: what do you mean where? |
| 20:41.36 | enyc | cbr: I mean, how did it get there etc. ;-) |
| 20:41.43 | streuner | joel_: that need the xserver-mach64 which isn't in sarge anymore, what version of debian do you running actually? |
| 20:41.43 | cbr | i emerged it |
| 20:41.44 | enyc | cbr: what distribution/version/file/etc is that ? |
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| 20:41.49 | cureless | cbr: the default bash is dynamically linked. |
| 20:41.51 | joel_ | streuner: sid |
| 20:41.59 | enyc | cbr: emerge is a gentoo thing |
| 20:42.01 | greycat | cbr: go ask #GENTOO, then. |
| 20:42.07 | streuner | joel_: tried VESA? |
| 20:42.10 | cureless | cbr: you're in gentoo? |
| 20:42.13 | cbr | no |
| 20:42.16 | cbr | in debian |
| 20:42.23 | joel_ | streuner: I havn't tried anything *yet* |
| 20:42.32 | greycat | cbr: you did not "emerge" it in debian. |
| 20:42.38 | cureless | cbr: so how did you emerge it? |
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| 20:42.46 | cbr | i emerged the one in the chroot |
| 20:42.48 | cbr | :roll: |
| 20:43.07 | cbr | that's what you were asking |
| 20:43.07 | cbr | wasnt it? |
| 20:43.23 | joel_ | streuner: seems like xserver-mach64 isn't in sid either |
| 20:43.23 | enyc | stre/joel: "xserver-[cardname]" is an xfree86-3.x thing.... "xserver-xfree86" is an xfree86-4.x thing that uses drivers configured in the XF86Config-4 instead.... |
| 20:43.37 | enyc | Thats because thats an xfree86-3.x thing |
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| 20:43.58 | joel_ | alright, we're gettin somewhere. I'll start by trying out the ati driver, thanks guys |
| 20:44.01 | enyc | i.e. in xfree86-3.x you isntall a different package for each driver-type... whereas in xfree86-4.x you install a single xfree86 server which has various driver "modules" all in the same package |
| 20:44.04 | streuner | joel_: of course not |
| 20:44.04 | cureless | cbr: so what error are you getting on the chroot command? |
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| 20:44.08 | enyc | joel: what card exactly ?? |
| 20:44.15 | cbr | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied |
| 20:44.51 | enyc | cbr: so you said! |
| 20:45.06 | enyc | cbr: have you had this particualar chroot environment working previously?? |
| 20:45.10 | cureless | cbr: and the permissions are correct and you're running as root? |
| 20:45.11 | joel_ | enyc: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage I/II 215GT [Mach64 GT] (Rev 41) |
| 20:45.24 | cureless | cbr: btw, can you run that bash without the chroot? |
| 20:45.37 | cbr | cureless: just run the binary? |
| 20:45.43 | cureless | cbr: yes. |
| 20:45.51 | cbr | # /mnt/gentoo/bin/bash |
| 20:45.51 | cbr | bash: /mnt/gentoo/bin/bash: Permission denied |
| 20:45.57 | cbr | that's odd |
| 20:46.16 | cureless | cbr: did you mount without the exec flag? |
| 20:46.25 | slyboots | Can anyone recomend a program for making Flowcharts in Debian? |
| 20:46.26 | cbr | uhm.. yes |
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| 20:46.37 | jayc | slyboots: dia? |
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| 20:46.49 | cbr | noatime,noauto,user |
| 20:46.52 | cbr | just this in options |
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| 20:46.58 | cureless | slyboots: a good one, no, but try dia or xfig |
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| 20:47.12 | slyboots | Okay, Thanks |
| 20:47.15 | cureless | cbr: mount with defaults and then add your options. |
| 20:47.32 | linuxfreck | cbr: user implies nodev and noexec |
| 20:47.36 | cureless | cbr: defaults,noatime,noauto,user |
| 20:47.42 | enyc | joel: xfree86 4.3.0 includes support for ati mach64 with acceleraion |
| 20:47.42 | blah01 | xmail will not install on a debian box, there was an old manual install that was corrupted, how do I force it to install and overwrite all the files etc? |
| 20:47.48 | enyc | joel: what debian/version you running ? |
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| 20:47.55 | joel_ | enyc: sid |
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| 20:48.03 | enyc | joel: then install "xserver-xfree86" |
| 20:48.16 | enyc | and use the "ati" driver |
| 20:48.26 | resiak | !tell yonkel-lappy about kp mantra |
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| 20:48.37 | joel_ | enyc: thanks |
| 20:49.02 | enyc | aHrrm I think Im going to try switching to 16bit color.. see if that works-aorund some of my problems.. |
| 20:49.04 | cbr | thanks for the help.. it didn't solve it though, but i'm too tired and it's not so important anyway.. bb |
| 20:49.10 | cureless | cbr: oops, yep, user has to go at the beginning and be overridden, or just remove user. |
| 20:49.20 | cbr | ah |
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| 20:49.53 | cureless | cbr: you might want something like user,exec,dev, etc. |
| 20:50.15 | cureless | cbr: specially for a chroot. Then again, if it's a chroot why do you want the mount to be 'user'? |
| 20:50.33 | cbr | cureless: so i could mount it as a user |
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| 20:51.36 | cbr | ok.. now it worked.. thanks cureless :) |
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| 20:51.54 | cureless | cbr: I think that's not what you want exactly since you'll always need to be root to do things as root in your chroot. (that's awful english) |
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| 20:52.33 | cbr | cureless: my data is on that partition too. i don't want to go root everytime i want to access my mp3s |
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| 20:52.37 | cbr | :p |
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| 20:53.00 | cureless | cbr: I still don't see the need to do user. Why not just mount it on boot? Is it removable? |
| 20:53.04 | froze | not exactly debian specific, but I am not sure were else to ask: Is there a way to make functions defined in .bashrc available to a new invocation of an xterm, ie xterm -e foo, with function foo() {blahblah} in .bashrc? |
| 20:53.18 | cbr | cureless: i have my reasons ;) |
| 20:53.57 | enyc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.05 | cureless | froze: aren't they? |
| 20:54.20 | notty | where can i find a good howto about installing a cvs server on debian ? |
| 20:54.26 | cureless | froze: well, if you -e foo then it depends on foo. |
| 20:54.50 | froze | cureless: nope, gives - xterm: Can't execvp foo: No such file or directory |
| 20:55.15 | cureless | froze: ahh, I see, foo is the function and you want the xterm to call that function? |
| 20:55.24 | froze | cureless: right |
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| 20:55.40 | cureless | froze: how about a script that calls it? |
| 20:55.49 | Loevborg | froze, you'll have to do 'xterm -e bash -c "foo"' |
| 20:56.06 | [TSP]Aradorn | is there a reason why jigdo downloads so damn slow? |
| 20:56.10 | Loevborg | froze, xterm won't run a subshell normally |
| 20:56.29 | froze | Loevborg: ahh, an explicit call to bash, let me try that. Thanks |
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| 20:57.04 | enyc | froze: hrrm can you just xterm -e bash -c [something] ? |
| 20:57.10 | enyc | but bash -c doesnt run .bashrc etc. ?? |
| 20:57.22 | bitchx | how do you get an ip to do multiple blocks and allows? |
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| 20:57.39 | bitchx | how do you get an ip to do multiple blocks and allows? |
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| 20:58.20 | bitchx | im trying to DROP 10:79 and 81:442 but allow 80 and 443 |
| 20:58.41 | froze | enyc: I could if foo was a one liner... |
| 20:58.47 | cureless | bitchx: what you want is to order the rules correctly. |
| 20:58.53 | bitchx | exit |
| 20:59.17 | enyc | bitc: I know what you mean |
| 20:59.27 | enyc | bitc: Im not sure what the correct syntax is |
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| 21:03.03 | ruede | http://paste.debian.net/429 |
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| 21:04.40 | sparr_w | I have never done RAID before in any fashion, but I would like to. Even if I do not do RAID, I need 2-4 more IDE channels. Can anyone recommend a thoroughly linux-compatible hardware PCI RAID controller, or just a good PCI IDE controller with drivers and preferably support? |
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| 21:05.22 | ericb_ | anyone knows how the next "unstable" release will be called ? |
| 21:05.25 | pipeline | sparr_: Promise 100 TX2 or 133 TX2 |
| 21:05.35 | ericb_ | since sid will become testing and sarge stable... |
| 21:05.39 | pipeline | ericb_: the next release, soon to be "testing," will be etch |
| 21:05.39 | K_Dallas | ericb_, i asked today and it would be always sid ;) |
| 21:05.52 | pipeline | ericb_: sid is always sid. That never changes. |
| 21:05.59 | ericb_ | oh... ok |
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| 21:06.10 | pipeline | sparr_: They're about 20$, they support 66 MHz PCI, what moer could you ask for? |
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| 21:06.40 | ericb_ | so sid stays sid, what will the next "testing" be called then ?? |
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| 21:06.44 | RvGaTe | i just did "apt-get install eggdrop", but were the hell did it install it? :S |
| 21:06.51 | pipeline | ericb_: etch, I just told you that. |
| 21:06.55 | RvGaTe | i cant find any config files whatsoever |
| 21:07.10 | K_Dallas | what has happened to #ubuntu :) |
| 21:07.24 | sparr_w | testing/stable/unstable are 'sliding windows' over the named versions, right? |
| 21:07.33 | pipeline | sparr_: No, only testing and stable change. |
| 21:07.40 | pipeline | sparr_: unstable is always just sid. |
| 21:07.45 | sparr_w | interesting |
| 21:07.46 | ericb_ | pipeline if sarge stays sarge, sid stays sid, another name of the next ?? |
| 21:07.48 | mleibowi | does experimental have a name? |
| 21:07.50 | pipeline | sparr_: Soon Sarge will become stable, Etch will become testing. |
| 21:07.53 | pipeline | mleibowi: No. |
| 21:07.58 | ericb_ | ok Etch |
| 21:07.58 | ericb_ | sorry |
| 21:08.00 | pipeline | ericb_: ETCH ETCH ETCH |
| 21:08.02 | ericb_ | I didn't got Etch |
| 21:08.33 | lesouvage | I run debian on an epia mb. The mb share an irq between pcmcia slot and kind of modem card (x100p) The x100p really need an irq of its own. Can this be done with special bootparameters or otherwise? |
| 21:09.15 | pipeline | lesouvage: Not without a *lot* of trouble. |
| 21:09.16 | ericb_ | english is not my main langage pipeline I assumed pipeline was a word in the sentence that had a certain meaning not the name of the actual distro... sorry.... so it's etch.. |
| 21:09.19 | ethics | sparr_: the names come from toystory....sid in the movies was a nutcase....very unstable...thus is always unstable.. |
| 21:09.21 | pipeline | lesouvage: Your best bet is to dig through BIOS options. |
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| 21:10.41 | ethics | sparr_: etch= the etchescetch.....sarge was well the sarge. etc potatop mr potatohead woody (the cowboy) etc etc |
| 21:10.46 | lesouvage | pipeline: I allready did and I couldn't find any option to dedicate an irq to one device. |
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| 21:11.05 | ericb_ | will the Etch branch be up soon ? |
| 21:11.12 | jethro | as soon as sarge go stable |
| 21:11.24 | ericb_ | ok |
| 21:11.39 | sparr_w | pipeline: google for that card and linux yields a lot of kernel mailing list mumbo jumbo. got a plain english explanation of what will/wont work? |
| 21:11.48 | MidgetWork | hey guys, I installed DDD with apt-get but when I try to open a program with it it errors because it can't find this file: /home/sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S. Does anybody know if this is because I installed it with apt and missed a depandancy or if this is a different error? |
| 21:11.58 | ruede | how getting fast as possible a ldap to use with samba..? |
| 21:12.00 | mwilson | What, people are already dying because they can't get etch? |
| 21:12.42 | abrotman | i'd settle for xfree86.org |
| 21:12.43 | sparr_w | ethics: thanks |
| 21:13.20 | pipeline | sparr_w: You put it in. You turn on the machine. It works. |
| 21:13.30 | pipeline | sparr_: uses the pdc202xx_foo drivers |
| 21:13.41 | lindi- | MidgetWork: sarge? |
| 21:13.41 | ericb_ | mwilson : well not dying but I like the "testing" branch so having my packages frozen isn't what I expect from a "testing" but I guess since it's "testing" for a release soon |
| 21:13.51 | sparr_w | pipeline: what kernel versions will have those? will anything not work? |
| 21:14.09 | pipeline | sparr_: 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6 |
| 21:14.09 | MidgetWork | lindi-: yes |
| 21:14.12 | sparr_w | awesome |
| 21:14.13 | lindi- | MidgetWork: is it really _/home_/sysdeps? |
| 21:14.15 | mwilson | ericb_: Yes, after all, you'll just die if you don't have your version churn. |
| 21:14.25 | ericb_ | lol |
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| 21:14.40 | directhex | sparr_, what was the question? |
| 21:14.48 | ericb_ | I won't die I just like new features but I won't die I was just asking mwilson |
| 21:14.50 | sparr_w | directhex: linux raid controller |
| 21:14.54 | MidgetWork | lindi-: there is no /home/sysdeps, no (if that's what you were asking) |
| 21:15.00 | directhex | sparr_, which one specifically? |
| 21:15.08 | sparr_w | directhex: he suggested promise 133 tx2 |
| 21:15.09 | ericb_ | mwilson I just like to be informed that's all |
| 21:15.12 | mwilson | The concept of a "release" just... escapes people. |
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| 21:15.17 | MobyTurbo | ericb_: it's only been frozen for two weeks, and the schedule says it will be unfrozen at the end of May, so stop complaining. |
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| 21:15.26 | pipeline | mwilson: They're accustomed to Fedora "releases" |
| 21:15.28 | sparr_w | i dont get the hoopla about 'releases' |
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| 21:15.31 | sparr_w | i use debian unstable |
| 21:15.38 | sparr_w | ill keep using unstable no matter what gets released |
| 21:15.42 | sparr_w | at one point i used testing |
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| 21:15.44 | pipeline | sparr_w: A release only comes out every few years. From that point onwards, it's frozen. You can upgrade on a cron job. |
| 21:15.49 | sparr_w | i kept using testing even when it was frozen for a release |
| 21:15.49 | LSorensen | Does anyone know the proper procedure for tagging a bug report as RC? |
| 21:16.05 | sparr_w | pipeline: i see prices ranging from $50 to $200, are there different revisions or versions of the 133 tx2? |
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| 21:16.07 | directhex | sparr_, i probably wouldn't use a promise as a first choice |
| 21:16.20 | JimRoepcke | I'm running Sid (not updated for nearly a year) and now I try an "apt-get dist-upgrade" and http.us.debian.org is giving me 404 errors for the packages it wants to download... any advice? |
| 21:16.22 | mwilson | pipeline: I wouldn't know, I've never paid any attention to what Fedora does or doesn't do. |
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| 21:16.28 | pipeline | sparr_: The card I'm talking about is definitely less than 50$. |
| 21:16.29 | benjamindees | sparr_w, change is bad; releases mitigate change |
| 21:16.36 | mwilson | JimRoepcke: You mean like actually bothering to update, first? |
| 21:16.38 | chealer | LSorensen: it's not a tag, it's a severity |
| 21:16.47 | lindi- | MidgetWork: sorry, can't reproduce the bug, ddd works here |
| 21:16.47 | chealer | LSorensen: the 3 highest severities |
| 21:16.51 | JimRoepcke | mwilson: that's not a bad idea ;) |
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| 21:16.54 | pipeline | mwilson: New "release" every six months. They never really stabilize, and there's no real upgrade process. You just continuously flatten and reinstall the system when something fouls upu. |
| 21:16.55 | ericb_ | I've used debian for the lest 3 years and I like it; I never used fedora core and I don't know why I get flamed this way; I just wanted to know the name of the next release and when it'll be accessible that's it |
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| 21:17.07 | LSorensen | chealer: hmm, odd, since I know the two bugs I filed are that high severity but they aren't listed on the rc bug page. |
| 21:17.18 | directhex | sparr_w, if you want a real raid controller, go for a 3ware or _decent_ adaptec. |
| 21:17.34 | lindi- | MidgetWork: http://www.google.com/search?q=%2fhome%2fsysdeps%2fi386%2felf%2fstart.S&ie=UTF-8&num=100&oe=UTF-8 finds it |
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| 21:17.40 | mwilson | ericb_: The next release will be Etch, and it'll be accessible two or three years from now. Happy? |
| 21:17.44 | chealer | LSorensen: well, show which ones, or tell how high exactly |
| 21:17.46 | sparr_w | directhex: im not adamant about 'real' :) i really just need 2 more IDE channels, and i want to try out RAID |
| 21:17.50 | directhex | sparr_w, if you only want a software controller like a promise, highpoint, whatever, then get the cheapest one available since it's all driver-based anyway |
| 21:17.53 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: he's gone |
| 21:18.09 | directhex | sparr_, silicon image cards are usually cheap |
| 21:18.29 | MidgetWork | lindi-: yes I checked those results already. A few people have asked this question but none have been answered |
| 21:18.30 | JimRoepcke | mwilson: thanks it's been a while, dist-upgrade is working now |
| 21:18.31 | benjamindees | ugh, he wants to do "testing" so he uses "testing" instead of "unstable"... |
| 21:18.35 | lindi- | MidgetWork: seems people have reported it but i don't see a solution anywhere, please apt-get install reportbug |
| 21:18.36 | pipeline | directhex, sparr_w : Yes, and they're usually godawful, too. The low-end Promise cards are great IDE controllers. I use some of'em with software RAID. |
| 21:18.36 | [TSP]Aradorn | anyone know much about HDD enclosures and using them to boot linux off of? |
| 21:18.49 | pipeline | [TSP]Aradorn: It's all about BIOS support. There's nothing to it on the linux side of things. |
| 21:18.53 | JimRoepcke | when I do this dist-upgrade i'll still be running Sid right? |
| 21:18.56 | [TSP]Aradorn | k |
| 21:19.05 | hugo | does anybody know a software (oss or proprietary) that helps me graphing routing information or at least my network topology by using traceroute, ... |
| 21:19.11 | MidgetWork | lindi-: ok, thanks. |
| 21:19.14 | LSorensen | chealer: #306303 (Important) and 306302 (Important). Do they need to be higher than that? I thought the FTBFS severity was enough |
| 21:19.17 | BucWheat | what is going to happen when they run out of Toy Story characters to name the debian distros after? Are they going to adopt the movie shrek for names? |
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| 21:19.31 | chealer | LSorensen: yeah, grave, serious or critical only |
| 21:19.39 | LSorensen | BucWheat: at one release every 2 or 3 years, it is never running out :) |
| 21:19.44 | uruboro | JimRoepcke, sure. I think that what you're running now isn't sid anymore ;) |
| 21:19.48 | LSorensen | chealer: I thought FTBFS was automatically RC |
| 21:19.48 | benjamindees | hugo, I can't for the life of me understand why people do that |
| 21:19.58 | directhex | pipeline, i've had extensive experience with software raid controllers. for a linux system, assuming the actual silicon behaves, siimage is _fine_. of course, my sii0380a card didn't behave at ALL, so i pulled it to bits and bought highpoint |
| 21:20.06 | MobyTurbo | JimRoepcke: it'd be a good idea to run apt-listchanges, to get information on what configuration changes you'll need to make. |
| 21:20.11 | JimRoepcke | uruboro: okay. :) Is it possible to update this thing to testing instead of unstable? |
| 21:20.13 | pipeline | directhex: Silicon Image has made some awful, AWFUL chipsets in their time. |
| 21:20.19 | chealer | LSorensen: AFAIK FTBFS on supported arch is RC, but then the reporter has to set the right severity |
| 21:20.25 | benjamindees | hugo, is it to impress your boss, or is there a purpose? |
| 21:20.28 | JimRoepcke | MobyTurbo: Before or after dist-upgrade (which is already started (downloading)) |
| 21:20.29 | directhex | pipeline, at least the driver support is somewhat more Open than promise |
| 21:20.29 | MobyTurbo | JimRoepcke: no, you can't safely downgrade |
| 21:20.31 | pipeline | directhex: They're the latter-day CMD technology. |
| 21:20.35 | chealer | LSorensen: policy probably mentions that |
| 21:20.39 | MobyTurbo | JimRoepcke: before |
| 21:20.46 | directhex | pipeline, i thought that was Realtek's job |
| 21:20.52 | benjamindees | hugo, 'dia' will help you do it manually |
| 21:20.54 | JimRoepcke | MobyTurbo: okay i just cancelled |
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| 21:20.57 | pipeline | directhex: Open drivers aren't a problem when we're talking about Promise' low-end cards. And if I had the cash for the nicer Promise cards, I'd say fuck it and buy 3ware anyway. |
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| 21:21.14 | LSorensen | chealer: hmm. I will go check that |
| 21:21.21 | JimRoepcke | MobyTurbo: E: Invalid operation listchanges |
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| 21:21.40 | MobyTurbo | JimRoepcke: no, it's not a command, it's a program you apt-get that automatically runs. |
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| 21:21.56 | JimRoepcke | oh i see, apt-get install listchanges? |
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| 21:22.00 | uruboro | apt-listchanges |
| 21:22.00 | pipeline | directhex: And Realtek makes products that have /some/ suitable use. There's just no excuse for a lot of SI products. How about those SATA chipsets that... don't support DMA. |
| 21:22.01 | directhex | pipeline, well, they ARE a problem when recent low-end promise only works on 2.6.11. i've wanted to use a promise & had open drivers available at the time. |
| 21:22.08 | sparr_w | pipeline: ive got an onboard promise controller that i dont use because i just want normal drive connections :) |
| 21:22.17 | MobyTurbo | JimRoepcke: why in the world are you running sid anyway? |
| 21:22.24 | JimRoepcke | it's an old box |
| 21:22.24 | directhex | *never had |
| 21:22.27 | RvGaTe | i just did "apt-get install eggdrop", but were the hell did it install it? :Si cant find any config files whatsoever |
| 21:22.32 | BucWheat | i have a 3ware card and it is awesome. i just hate it that my on-board sata raid isn't recognized in linux |
| 21:22.44 | directhex | BucWheat, which controller? |
| 21:22.53 | BucWheat | it is a via chipset so you'd think it would be supported |
| 21:22.57 | BucWheat | the 4 port ATA one |
| 21:22.57 | JimRoepcke | should I just download the net install ISO and re-install? |
| 21:23.19 | MobyTurbo | JimRoepcke: if you want to run Sarge, yes. |
| 21:23.23 | BucWheat | i've rebuilt the array several times via the web gui and it rocks. their tech/cust support is excellent as well |
| 21:23.33 | JimRoepcke | yeah probably should |
| 21:23.35 | pipeline | 3ware is awesome in general. |
| 21:23.44 | rob_lt | RvGaTe, dpkg -L eggdrop | grep bin |
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| 21:23.59 | BucWheat | VIA® VT8237 Chipset for onboard sata raid 0/1 |
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| 21:24.30 | _me_ | RvGaTe: updatedb && locate eggdrop |
| 21:24.30 | MidgetWork | lindi-: where is your sysdeps directory? perhaps I can symlink mine if I have it in a different location |
| 21:24.45 | drac | BucWheat: Supported by almost any 2.6 .. |
| 21:24.46 | lindi- | MidgetWork: i don't think it's about that |
| 21:25.04 | drac | BucWheat: Most common VIA chipset sold these days. |
| 21:25.19 | lindi- | MidgetWork: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/ddd/2005-04/msg00020.html shows that the string comes from the binary |
| 21:25.41 | _me_ | RvGaTe: the files you are looking for should be in /user/share/eggdrop |
| 21:25.45 | BucWheat | drac hrmm.. i included sata support in kernel but i must have missed the via chipset for the controller |
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| 21:25.53 | RvGaTe | _me_: yup, i see that now |
| 21:26.16 | directhex | it had better be supported, i have a brand new mobo here with one >_< |
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| 21:27.03 | directhex | hang on, VT8237 has been around since KT600. it's old now, should bloody well work |
| 21:27.13 | BucWheat | directhex with sata 0/1 raid? i have the msi km4amv |
| 21:27.21 | [TSP]Aradorn | damn jigdo is slow... anyone know where i can get the DVD iso for the new r3 release? |
| 21:27.39 | directhex | BucWheat, if it doesn't say "3ware" on it, it's _NOT_ got _ANY_ raid ability |
| 21:27.48 | _me_ | RvGaTe: u will have to extact the eggdrop.conf into your home dir |
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| 21:28.04 | directhex | BucWheat, it's just a bog standard sata controller, with windows fakeraid drivers |
| 21:28.13 | ethics | !d-i |
| 21:28.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 21:28.14 | RvGaTe | _me_: what do you mean with extact...? extract ? |
| 21:28.18 | abrotman | paulswm: notice .. he's not married :) |
| 21:28.28 | BucWheat | directhex but the bios shows the raid array and all |
| 21:28.39 | _me_ | just a sec |
| 21:28.43 | directhex | !fakeraid |
| 21:28.46 | BucWheat | directhex well rats. if its not real raid then i need a cheapo raid 1 card |
| 21:28.50 | directhex | hmph. |
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| 21:28.59 | directhex | BucWheat, cheapo raid 1 cards also aren't real raid |
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| 21:29.26 | BucWheat | grrrr... well i'm going to start looking for good 2-port sata raid cards heh |
| 21:29.35 | directhex | BucWheat, if it's not 3ware or a limited selection of adaptec, then it's fake, and relies on a (closed-source driver) to do the raid bits |
| 21:29.36 | nse | Why does people usually say that: " ...actually, the more you can avoid programming in C the more productive you will be." ? |
| 21:29.44 | paulswm | abrotman: Yes, but my spouse is low maintenance cost and I get the cuddles :) |
| 21:30.04 | directhex | abrotman, i have a partner of almost 5 years though. and she only has an athlon xp. |
| 21:30.23 | themolester | if i have an image in .bin/.cue format is there a way to mount it without burning? |
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| 21:30.40 | procrastinator | If my Cinergy 400 TV-card is not in /dev/video0, where could it be? |
| 21:30.42 | abrotman | directhex: you greedy man |
| 21:30.46 | directhex | themolester, convert to .iso |
| 21:30.48 | phogg | themolester: convert to ISE first |
| 21:30.50 | Gathond | themolester: use bchunk to convert it to .iso |
| 21:30.51 | paulswm | directhex: my best CPU is "only" an Athlon XP :( |
| 21:30.57 | phogg | er, ISO I mean of course. |
| 21:31.05 | Sinisterr | RvGaTe: the conf file is here >> /usr/share/doc/eggdrop-data/examples/eggdrop.conf.gz |
| 21:31.29 | directhex | BucWheat, you can use mdadm, for linux software raid. but it's not comparible with the existing fakeraid array (so you can't use windows on the same array) |
| 21:31.42 | themolester | Gathond after its an iso, i should be able to mount it same as a regular /dev cdrom, right? |
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| 21:31.50 | directhex | BucWheat, some red hat engineers were working on an open source fakeraid thing called something like devmapper, i think |
| 21:32.04 | Gathond | themolester: almost, you need to use -o loop and have a kernel with support for loopback devices |
| 21:32.19 | dupondje | hi guys, i have a problem, the outspeed of my server is really slow, its on a 100mbit, and only goes 200kb/sec :s any id what could be the problem ? |
| 21:32.21 | themolester | ok, thank you |
| 21:32.46 | directhex | dupondje, mismatched duplexing settings. play with mii-tool |
| 21:33.00 | dupondje | eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 21:33.00 | MidgetWork | lindi-: hmm, looking at the binary I'm trying to debug it does contain this string: "../sysdeps/elf/start.S" and since I'm in /home/nic, that error would make sense. now i wonder why that relative path is in my binary? |
| 21:33.04 | pureone | dupondje what protocol ? |
| 21:33.07 | dupondje | ftp |
| 21:33.12 | pureone | hmm |
| 21:33.13 | BucWheat | directhex linux only on these boxes. could i use software raid within d-i ? |
| 21:33.16 | MidgetWork | it's a simple c++ program compiled with g++... hmm |
| 21:33.31 | directhex | BucWheat, yes, d-i does mdadm during installation |
| 21:33.34 | BucWheat | and have it "mirror" /dev/sda1-3 to /dev/sdb1-3 ? |
| 21:33.48 | BucWheat | k |
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| 21:34.04 | paulswm | dupondje: what directhex said, also if you are transmitting/receiving encrypted then your CPU speed is going to also be a factro, and if you're wiring straigth to disk than your controller and/or filesystem may also be a factor. |
| 21:34.19 | directhex | BucWheat, no, you'd simply write to /dev/md0, which is configured to mirror across /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1. rinse & repeat |
| 21:34.28 | BucWheat | directhex if not i'd be looking at 127.00 * 12 for these cards |
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| 21:34.50 | paulswm | Scuse the multiple typos |
| 21:34.59 | BucWheat | directhex but that would all be set during d-i software raid setup right? |
| 21:34.59 | directhex | BucWheat, i use mdadm raid on a machine at home, and two at work |
| 21:35.11 | BucWheat | directhex notice any performance issues? |
| 21:35.15 | BucWheat | "noticeable? |
| 21:35.21 | ralf | hi all |
| 21:35.38 | directhex | BucWheat, yes. in d-i, mark a partition as "physical volume for software RAID", then go to the RAID config screen, and tell it to make an array from 2 or more physical volumes |
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| 21:35.45 | ralf | i heard that debian will switch to gcc4 after that sarge will be released |
| 21:36.09 | BucWheat | directhex cool. have you ever had to rebuild from software raid? |
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| 21:36.22 | BucWheat | does debian alert you that array is corrupt? |
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| 21:36.46 | ethics | ralf: no rush |
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| 21:37.07 | directhex | BucWheat, i haven't had to, no. and you configure mdadm as you see fit. |
| 21:37.16 | BucWheat | ahh ok. cool |
| 21:37.30 | BucWheat | thanks for all the info man. i feel much better now heh |
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| 21:38.18 | Sinisterr | RvGaTe: you find it ok? |
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| 21:38.43 | RvGaTe | Sinisterr: found it, just strugling with the ssh :P |
| 21:38.46 | hftz | is it normal for jigdo to download at 500 bytes a second |
| 21:38.49 | hftz | ? |
| 21:38.52 | Sinisterr | k |
| 21:38.54 | RvGaTe | Sinisterr: ill figure it out... i think... thank you :) |
| 21:39.02 | Sinisterr | np |
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| 21:39.24 | hftz | anyone? |
| 21:39.30 | paulswm | sarge has been frozen so long my CPUs are running 7 degrees cooler |
| 21:39.34 | exobyte | to get cp to do a "perfect" copy, preserving permissions, ownership, timestamps, and copy a symlink as a symlink, what params do I need? I know I need -p |
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| 21:40.19 | directhex | -a ? |
| 21:40.19 | rvalles | hi |
| 21:40.24 | LoRez | exobyte: just -a |
| 21:40.31 | paulswm | hftz: Well, no, 500 bytes per second hasn't been normal since like 1979 or so |
| 21:40.35 | rvalles | does sarge have Xorg's X11 server implementation? |
| 21:40.42 | hftz | yeah, so what is wrong? |
| 21:40.47 | rvalles | if affirmative... which version? |
| 21:40.54 | hftz | oh god damnit |
| 21:40.56 | hftz | i know what it is |
| 21:40.59 | hftz | i think |
| 21:41.04 | directhex | rvalles, sarge has xfree86 4.3 with driver backports from xorg |
| 21:41.04 | mwilson | rvalles: No. |
| 21:41.05 | chealer | !topicsmite rvalles |
| 21:41.05 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon rvalles. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:41.20 | exobyte | LoRez: how standard is -a on other unixes? |
| 21:41.27 | shingouz | hftz: Your 300 baud modem? ;) |
| 21:41.37 | paulswm | !beer shingouz |
| 21:41.51 | LoRez | exobyte: dunno, this is a Debian support channel though, not an "other unix" support channel ;) |
| 21:41.53 | hftz | dont laugh. ill spend the rest of my life assembling this dvd |
| 21:41.54 | shingouz | dpkg: Thanks |
| 21:41.54 | dpkg | my pleasure, shingouz |
| 21:42.03 | chealer | rvalles: you come in #debian with 2 lives ;) |
| 21:42.18 | paulswm | hftz: so what was it, the suspense is killing me man |
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| 21:42.26 | exobyte | LoRez: this stuff is good to know though. ps -ax chokes on solaris, but works great on debian |
| 21:42.27 | hftz | i dont know for sure |
| 21:42.30 | hftz | i think my router |
| 21:42.33 | hftz | what port is wget? |
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| 21:42.53 | hftz | or windows firewall |
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| 21:43.11 | shingouz | 21? |
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| 21:43.20 | hftz | ehh. |
| 21:43.30 | teste123 | testing |
| 21:43.42 | procrastinator | HTTP is 80, FTP usually 21 ;) |
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| 21:44.07 | rvalles | http://gcc.gnu.org/java/ |
| 21:44.14 | rvalles | be the light, and free java :-) |
| 21:44.24 | shingouz | hftz: Can you usually download well with ftp? |
| 21:44.29 | hftz | yeah |
| 21:44.31 | hftz | no problem |
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| 21:44.33 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 21:44.35 | MidgetWork | http://pastebin.ca/11934 <-- can someone put that code in a text file named test.c and type gcc -o test test.c please? when I compile it I get a string ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S in the binary file (opened with a text editor) and I'm wondering if anybody else gets that same string. |
| 21:44.37 | hftz | i think its windows firewall |
| 21:44.37 | mwilson | Oh, gods, here we go again with the "free java". |
| 21:44.41 | hftz | blocking it |
| 21:44.57 | shingouz | hftz: Get a big hammer in that case |
| 21:44.57 | rvalles | mwilson ^,^ |
| 21:44.58 | teste123 | rvalles, why ? |
| 21:45.01 | pipeline | Free java was inevitable. |
| 21:45.10 | rvalles | teste123: because it's evlishly not free |
| 21:45.17 | rvalles | teste123: and because... (as always)... |
| 21:45.25 | hftz | fuck. maybe ill go back to gentoo |
| 21:45.28 | mwilson | MidgetWork: Is there some reason why you shouldn't get such a string? |
| 21:45.35 | rvalles | teste123: Azureus (400mb) |
| 21:45.40 | rvalles | teste123: omg, what's this? |
| 21:45.48 | teste123 | rvalles, hehehe |
| 21:45.48 | ribnitz | Free speech java versus free beer java? |
| 21:45.51 | rvalles | why are java apps such ram leeches? |
| 21:45.54 | shingouz | hftz: If jigdo doesnt work now it will not work on Gentoo either |
| 21:46.00 | rvalles | I blame the VM |
| 21:46.05 | hftz | ehh. |
| 21:46.07 | dupondje | wtf :s |
| 21:46.13 | dupondje | changed from 100-FD -> 10-FD |
| 21:46.15 | Bazzi | usually the VM has a limit of 100mb |
| 21:46.17 | rvalles | non-sun non-free VMs suck because they're non-sun |
| 21:46.22 | hftz | well hell yes. im up at 5k |
| 21:46.24 | dupondje | and now outspeed is perfect, but inspeed is now fucked up :s |
| 21:46.26 | rvalles | and Sun VM sucks on linux |
| 21:46.28 | ribnitz | rvalles: the (Sun) java wm will take up 40-50mb easily |
| 21:46.31 | rvalles | because they sabotage it |
| 21:46.31 | Bazzi | 400mb sounds definately wrong :/ |
| 21:46.32 | MidgetWork | mwilson: that string (with the relative path) is causing DDD debugger to not be able to read the file (because that start.S doesn't exist at the path where DDD is opening it) |
| 21:46.35 | rvalles | to favor Solaris, I'm sure! |
| 21:47.08 | shingouz | hftz: Youre not running something else thre at the same time that is taking up most of the bandwidth I presume |
| 21:47.09 | ribnitz | Bazzi: I have had java vms run with 1.8 gb.. |
| 21:47.09 | teste123 | at least seems like solaris is going open source |
| 21:47.19 | paulswm | MidgetWork: compiles fine and I don't see that string in the object code |
| 21:47.20 | pipeline | rvalles: Bullshit |
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| 21:47.25 | Bazzi | ribnitz stop with them ghost stories ;-) |
| 21:47.26 | pipeline | rvalles: The Sun JVM development is done mostly on win32, actually |
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| 21:47.38 | pipeline | rvalles: Solaris is a second-tier platform in the Java software folks eyes |
| 21:47.42 | mwilson | How is Java not a free language? |
| 21:47.45 | mwilson | ack |
| 21:47.48 | pipeline | rvalles: Sun is very, very, very decntralized. |
| 21:47.59 | ribnitz | Bazzi: after like 1.8 gb of ram, you get the famous 32 bit problems.. |
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| 21:48.10 | Bazzi | ribnitz yeah, sure |
| 21:48.12 | mwilson | How is Java not a free language? |
| 21:48.13 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - can somebody tell me how to change m efault apt frontend? i keep getting errors about "falling back to dialog" |
| 21:48.16 | Bazzi | thats why I use 64bit. ;-) |
| 21:48.20 | pipeline | mwilson: You can't freely redistribute binaries. Period. |
| 21:48.23 | mwilson | ok, /me takes mouse out and shoots it |
| 21:48.26 | teste123 | mwilson, not gpl-like, and not bsd-like licenses. i think their license is not aproved by OSD |
| 21:48.44 | mwilson | pipeline: I can redistribute whatever I like. |
| 21:48.49 | MidgetWork | paulswm: what version of gcc do you have? |
| 21:48.51 | pipeline | teste123: That wouldn't matter at all, if we were able to redistribute binary copies. Which you can't. |
| 21:48.54 | mwilson | pipeline: As long as Sun's javac didn't create it. |
| 21:48.58 | teste123 | mwilson, *OSI |
| 21:49.00 | pipeline | mwilson: Not within the terms of the license you agreed to. |
| 21:49.17 | pipeline | mwilson: I'm talking about redistributing the Java class library binaries. |
| 21:49.31 | dragoon | java-package doesn't want to package Sun's latest jdk-1_5_0_03-linux-amd64.bin, any help? |
| 21:49.32 | shingouz | Super_Cat_Frog: dpkg-reconfigure base-config I think it was |
| 21:49.39 | Super_Cat_Frog | ta |
| 21:49.42 | ribnitz | pipeline: like no java.lang.Strings attached? |
| 21:49.58 | jvw | dragoon: filing a bug for starters might help, what's the issue? |
| 21:50.01 | Super_Cat_Frog | shingouz - i just got the debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog error |
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| 21:50.21 | shingouz | Super_Cat_Frog: It does continue even so? |
| 21:50.28 | Super_Cat_Frog | no |
| 21:50.39 | jvw | dragoon: we're not aware of anything not working there |
| 21:50.48 | shingouz | Super_Cat_Frog: Hmmm.... then I do not know :( |
| 21:51.05 | Super_Cat_Frog | ok thanks anyway |
| 21:51.08 | paulswm | MidgetWork: 3.3.5 and libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 |
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| 21:51.11 | ribnitz | Anyone know of a good program to organise/classify music with? |
| 21:51.19 | jvw | dragoon: but I don't own an amd64, so can't test |
| 21:51.20 | shingouz | Super_Cat_Frog: Try reconfiguring debconf for the hell of it |
| 21:51.34 | bucky | Super_Cat_Frog, have you asked in #debian-amd64 ? |
| 21:51.46 | dragoon | jvw: just dies with "No matching plugin was found." 0.24, I can see the package name in /usr/share/java-package/sun-j2sdk.sh but no go. |
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| 21:52.17 | rvalles | pipeline: we don't really know anything at all about Sun's VM since isn't free |
| 21:52.17 | Super_Cat_Frog | bucky - i dont use amd64 |
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| 21:52.26 | jvw | dragoon: well, file a bug... |
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| 21:52.46 | jvw | dragoon: tracking this kind of issues via IRC that doesn't give all info and such up front is tricky |
| 21:52.52 | hftz | is there any other way that i can get a dvd image? |
| 21:52.57 | bucky | Super_Cat_Frog, whoops.. got you mixed up with dragoon |
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| 21:53.08 | rvalles | pipeline: from what I've experienced with my own eyes, their VM works much better in osx and win32, and since I'm a conspiration theorist, I just assume the worst. |
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| 21:53.13 | ribnitz | hftz: dvd image of what? |
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| 21:53.23 | dragoon | bucky: Yes, I asked, thanks. |
| 21:53.29 | Super_Cat_Frog | singouz - i reconfigured debconf and now it works |
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| 21:53.31 | hftz | debian |
| 21:53.31 | Super_Cat_Frog | thanks |
| 21:53.34 | rvalles | I see all this java thing as a plague |
| 21:53.41 | ribnitz | hftz: I dont know of any. |
| 21:53.46 | shingouz | Super_Cat_Frog: Good :) |
| 21:53.53 | hftz | god damned jigdo |
| 21:54.07 | shingouz | hftz: You do not need a fullö dvd to install Debian in anycase |
| 21:54.20 | hftz | yeah but im out of cdrs |
| 21:54.25 | bucky | dragoon, i guess you could do it the old fashioned way like in the java howto at debian.org |
| 21:54.28 | ribnitz | hftz: yes, that. but that would be folly nowing you can get the real thing in like two - three weeks.. |
| 21:54.38 | shingouz | hftz: You can install with three floppies and a network |
| 21:54.44 | cosm0z | hftz: network install :) |
| 21:54.46 | hftz | aha. no floppy drive |
| 21:54.51 | hftz | otherwise i would have done that |
| 21:54.54 | hftz | im not an idiot |
| 21:54.58 | stew | hftz: usb pendrive? |
| 21:54.59 | shingouz | hftz: Or usb |
| 21:55.00 | dragoon | bucky: Yes, I've found manual install instructions, just hoping someone else had the same problem and an answer. |
| 21:55.10 | jvw | bucky, dragoon: The old fashioned way does fuck with some config files in /etc though... |
| 21:55.12 | cafuego | Why don't you burn the netinst iso to a dvdr then? |
| 21:55.17 | Super_Cat_Frog | what is blackdown java |
| 21:55.18 | ribnitz | hftz: use a cdrw, to burn netinst on? |
| 21:55.27 | paulswm | hftz: you could go out and buy some cdr or cdrws quicker than you could downloda the distro, I bet |
| 21:55.33 | hftz | ehh |
| 21:55.44 | hftz | nevermind. |
| 21:55.51 | stew | Super_Cat_Frog: /msg dpkg blackdown |
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| 21:55.54 | cosm0z | man.... who farted in here??!! |
| 21:55.56 | shingouz | hftz: Of course you could install it with debootstrap too but that is a bit more complex way, as long as you can boot the thing into any linux you can install Debian |
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| 21:56.06 | hftz | hmm |
| 21:56.10 | bucky | jvw, only /etc/alternatives |
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| 21:56.12 | Lee__ | sarge netinst is very good |
| 21:56.30 | paulswm | !blackdown |
| 21:56.30 | dpkg | blackdown kicks ass; they're java people for linux -- http://www.blackdown.org, or a group of Sun Java products ported to Linux by the Blackdown development team. Get it at http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html, or most mirrors have aptable sections, or a group of folks who signed NDA's with Sun and got the JDK source code. they ported it to linux and put it up on blackdown.org, or shit, use java-package |
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| 21:56.40 | jvw | bucky: the sun installation package will fiddle with mime types, whatever is in /etc/.java, and fiddle with your mozilla config |
| 21:56.41 | hftz | oh, does debian use xorg or xfree? |
| 21:56.43 | Lee__ | I recently installed sarge on monitor/keyboard-less SBC via pxeboot |
| 21:56.49 | rvalles | dpkg: I'm using blackdown ;P |
| 21:56.50 | shingouz | hftz: Xfree |
| 21:56.55 | hftz | hmm |
| 21:56.55 | Lee__ | so there's plenty of ways to do it :) |
| 21:57.09 | paulswm | Sun jave sucks less, though |
| 21:57.09 | rvalles | because it's just the best alternative currently available |
| 21:57.10 | bucky | jvw, using this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch11.html#s11.2 |
| 21:57.18 | Super_Cat_Frog | can somebody tell me why java isn't considered a free language when blackdown can be freely distrobuted? (i know its only free as opposed to Free) |
| 21:57.18 | rvalles | but... it isn't free, either |
| 21:57.18 | bucky | i don't remember it doing that |
| 21:57.18 | ribnitz | Lee__: netboot is the preferred way for all things thun.. |
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| 21:57.28 | rvalles | my hopes are on the GNU project, and their GCJ |
| 21:57.45 | stew | rvalles: sablevm seems to be making a lot of progress too |
| 21:57.46 | hftz | is there a pxeboot? |
| 21:57.51 | Lee__ | !tell Super_Cat_Frog about java-licence |
| 21:57.52 | hftz | howto |
| 21:57.53 | hftz | i mean |
| 21:58.22 | jvw | bucky: from (iirc) 1.5 onwards, sun does all kind of postinst stuff, and doesn't say that it does... you'll only notice if you keep /etc in .svn or something |
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| 21:58.55 | creature | Hi guys and girls. I'm trying to get my new Sarge install working, and while X was working I've managed to clobber it somehow. It was either the apt-get update && apt-get upgrade or the installation of xfs and some xfonts- packages, but now I get "Failed to load module GLCore" and "Failed to initialize GLX extension". Actual error messages in #flood on request. |
| 21:58.57 | ribnitz | Super_Cat_Frog: You cannot modify the thing, and then distribute the modified thing under the same license. |
| 21:59.16 | rvalles | stew: ic |
| 21:59.23 | rvalles | stew: gcj looks more serious to me, tho |
| 21:59.32 | streuner | creature: what videocard do you have? |
| 21:59.40 | shingouz | hftz: /msg dpkg debootstrap, /msg dpkg chroot install, /msg dpkg pxe |
| 21:59.41 | rvalles | stew: also, I like to build stuff native... ;P |
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| 21:59.52 | ribnitz | rvalles: does gcj do java 1.3 or 1.4 yet? |
| 21:59.56 | creature | streuner - it's an Nvidia chipset. 4200, I think. It's actually made by Albatron. |
| 21:59.56 | hftz | thanks |
| 22:00.17 | shingouz | hftz: Those are *not* the standard Debian installs btw, you will need to hack a bit to get the system installed |
| 22:00.17 | streuner | creature: lspci -v | grep -i vga |
| 22:00.20 | rvalles | ribnitz: no idea, I've just recently discovered it |
| 22:00.35 | rvalles | ribnitz: http://gcc.gnu.org/java/status.html |
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| 22:00.39 | kingsley_ | What are the pros and cons of installing antivirus software on the XP box, or on an upstream linux router? |
| 22:00.46 | creature | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV25 [GeForce4 Ti 4200] (rev a3) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 22:00.58 | hftz | i wish i just had a knoppix cd |
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| 22:01.14 | creature | I do have the nvidia graphics drivers installed, by the way. |
| 22:01.26 | shingouz | hftz: Don't you have a cdrw there somewhere? Just one you could nuke for the time being? |
| 22:01.36 | hftz | no cdrws |
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| 22:01.41 | hftz | a ton of dvdrws |
| 22:01.49 | hftz | and not one blank cd-r |
| 22:02.00 | citral | ... |
| 22:02.05 | bucky | creature, how did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 22:02.10 | ethics | hftz dvdr will work...iso =either |
| 22:02.12 | citral | just burn the netinst on a cdrw |
| 22:02.18 | streuner | creature: so from nvidia? |
| 22:02.22 | citral | dvdrw I mean |
| 22:02.23 | hftz | I DONT HAVE A CDRW. |
| 22:02.27 | hftz | ehh |
| 22:02.27 | shingouz | hftz: Maybe it would be possible to just grab the netinstall iso and slam it on a dvd |
| 22:02.30 | hftz | it complains |
| 22:02.40 | creature | bucky - I grabbed the latest version from nvidia.com, and ran it. It compiled and installed them. |
| 22:03.04 | creature | As I say, I hate to be vague, but it was working and now it isn't. |
| 22:03.05 | ethics | hftz make it....mines on dvd\ |
| 22:03.05 | ribnitz | bucky: works fine, usually, used module.-assistant |
| 22:03.34 | hftz | oh my god |
| 22:03.37 | hftz | AHHH |
| 22:03.42 | creature | I do think looking at the actual errors would help here; perhaps you would care to join #flood? |
| 22:03.49 | hftz | that works |
| 22:03.55 | bucky | creature, is GLcore commented out in XF86Config-4 ? |
| 22:04.14 | creature | bucky, it isn't. |
| 22:04.26 | chealer | !tell creature about nvidia-installer |
| 22:04.51 | ribnitz | Any hints as to a good music organising software as an on-top of xmms or so? |
| 22:05.09 | hftz | just do it the old fashioned way |
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| 22:05.25 | citral | creature: you must think on what was actually upgraded by apt-get dist-upgrade, I bet your kernel, so you don't have the nvidia modules anymore |
| 22:05.43 | blah01 | How do I have debian install xmail and force it to override any previous xmail files? |
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| 22:06.00 | creature | citral - I do. I rebuilt them just to make sure. And it wasn't a dist-upgrade, just an upgrade. |
| 22:06.00 | hftz | thanks you guys |
| 22:06.01 | benjamindees | ribnitz, amarok |
| 22:06.03 | paulswm | citral: dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade kernels, you have to specifically install them |
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| 22:06.09 | ribnitz | creature: Every time you upgrade your kernel, you need to compile anew |
| 22:06.20 | sparr_w | Will a HPT372n RAID controller work in linux? How well/poorly? |
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| 22:06.26 | creature | I know. I haven't upgraded my kernel between "It was working" and "It isn't working". |
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| 22:06.55 | directhex | sparr_w, it should work, especially with a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 22:06.57 | drac | paulswm: huh? dist-upgrade upgrades at least my installed kernel-images. |
| 22:07.03 | directhex | sparr_w, fakeraid of course ;) |
| 22:07.11 | ribnitz | benjamindees: does that plug onto xmms? |
| 22:07.13 | drac | Not long ago 2.6.8 got upgraded, to -15 |
| 22:07.13 | hftz | do i only need the first iso to do a net install? |
| 22:07.28 | streuner | !d-i hftz |
| 22:07.28 | ribnitz | drac: -11 |
| 22:07.28 | dpkg | hftz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:07.29 | bucky | creature GLcore should be commented out and dri |
| 22:07.35 | sparr_w | directhex: realized ive got an unused raid controller on my mobo :) completely forgot about those two spare channels |
| 22:07.44 | citral | paulswm: I think it could, if you have the dummy package kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:07.45 | drac | ribnitz: -15 |
| 22:07.48 | drac | ribnitz: sid |
| 22:07.49 | creature | They should both be commented out? Won't that turn off anything 3D? |
| 22:07.54 | paulswm | drac: then forgive me, I roll my own so my memory is evidently fauly |
| 22:08.05 | benjamindees | ribnitz, oh sorry, no |
| 22:08.07 | hftz | thanks man |
| 22:08.35 | paulswm | citral: Yes, I was corrected by drac |
| 22:08.47 | creature | Even with those two lines commented out I still get: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 22:08.49 | ribnitz | drac: drac my sid only has 11 |
| 22:09.04 | paulswm | I was thinking of new kernel versions, which do not automatically get installed |
| 22:09.05 | drac | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 22:09.15 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-15 (sid), Packaged size: 13719 kB, Installed size: 41236 kB |
| 22:09.48 | ribnitz | drac: ohm I think you meant 2.6.15.. |
| 22:10.07 | merkidemis | I have sound coming off my analog jacks using ALSA, but not through the optical S/PDIF. Could someone assist me in getting it working? I am using VLC to play my test video, and tried to switch to the IEC958 device, but I am thinking it is not set up properly as I don't get sound out of it. This is an IXP150. |
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| 22:11.40 | jasoncohen | does anyone else have a problem where if a usb key is mounted using a KDE device icon, it refuses to unmount complaining it's currently being accessed even if no windows or files are open accessing the key? |
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| 22:12.03 | jasoncohen | i don't have this issue if i manually mount it |
| 22:12.10 | FieldySnuts | then manually mount it |
| 22:12.13 | stew | jasoncohen: use lsof or fuser to see what process has a file open in the mount point |
| 22:12.26 | FieldySnuts | i bet kdeinit is using it, kde is pretty sloppy about that stuff |
| 22:12.31 | jasoncohen | stew, yes- i know how to do that, and i'm able to unmount it |
| 22:12.44 | jasoncohen | i want to know how to prevent it from occuring in the future as it doesn't happen in mdk |
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| 22:13.04 | stew | jasoncohen: what process has an open file? |
| 22:13.53 | jasoncohen | 16151 ? S 0:01 kdeinit: konqueror -mimetype inode/directory file:/mnt/removable |
| 22:14.00 | stew | jasoncohen: maybe ask in #debian-kde |
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| 22:14.09 | jasoncohen | thanks |
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| 22:14.21 | parsec_ | how do I find the namserver for google.com? |
| 22:14.22 | parsec_ | what command? |
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| 22:14.39 | FieldySnuts | dig ns google.com (bind-tools or bind-utils or something) |
| 22:14.48 | enyc | Hrrm.. |
| 22:14.52 | enyc | That usually works.. NS record |
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| 22:15.10 | enyc | I prefer to actaully ask a .com namserver with a non-recusive query for the address of f |
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| 22:15.20 | FieldySnuts | up to you |
| 22:15.23 | enyc | err, address of whatever domain is wanted, with 'verbose' on |
| 22:16.19 | enyc | you can have situations where a registrar delegates "non authoritative" [as usual] with 'additional records' [glue] or out-of-balliwick NS-delegation using some names, and then the nameservers on the client-network then declare NS records pointing somewhere totally different if asked ;-) |
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| 22:16.50 | genix | how can I watch my position when I send a xdcc packet? |
| 22:16.51 | FieldySnuts | great, you know more than he does, want a medal? he simply wants an ns record. |
| 22:17.17 | enyc | so, to see what my local dns-cache (i.e. recursive resolver in buggy-internet-name-daemon terms) would really look up, i use something like host -rvt a www.google.com e.gtld-servers.net. [for the example parsec was interested in] |
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| 22:17.26 | merkidemis | How can I get S/PDIF working in OSS and ALSA? I get sound out of the speaher jacks, but not the optical out |
| 22:17.39 | genix | is there any one here that use xdcc? |
| 22:17.39 | FieldySnuts | genix: ask some warez kids? |
| 22:17.40 | bbrazil | enyc: dig +trace is useful for finding that |
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| 22:18.22 | enyc | kk well dig is some kind of bind tool, I just tend to use host (not bind9-host or bind9-utils) |
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| 22:18.53 | bbrazil | enyc: it replaces nslookup |
| 22:18.58 | exobyte | I wonder what kind of range I could get in open air with 802.11b and a directional antena |
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| 22:19.20 | Lee__ | dig is more verbose |
| 22:19.40 | enyc | hrrm I tend to use host -v instead of nslookup basically ;-) |
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| 22:20.33 | enyc | Odd how the bind-company 'depreciated' nslookup [and got rid of the stupid silly problem where it ''requires'' the server specified on the commandline answers a recursive PTR query for its' own name, otherwise wont do anything) -- |
| 22:20.48 | enyc | and then "un-depreciated" it in later version of bind9 |
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| 22:22.23 | enyc | exob: a long way with the right drivers... but 802.11b/g 's "WEP" ''standard'' is rather rubbish protection etc. |
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| 22:28.18 | jetscreamer | so the options are wep and radius and (SomethingElse) wep sucks they say so radius, or the other thing? |
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| 22:29.44 | marcot | Hello, I've installed the emacs-snapshot-gtk following a tutorial that I have lost. |
| 22:30.02 | marcot | The problem is that now when I try to load the installed haskell-mode, it sais: |
| 22:30.13 | marcot | Cannot open load file: haskell-mode |
| 22:30.31 | marcot | And haskell mode is installed in the usual place. |
| 22:30.49 | marcot | But I think that this emacs is not configured to read the files from there. |
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| 22:43.13 | enyc | jestc: not sure |
| 22:43.30 | enyc | jestc: good to attach the wlkan equipmetn to a subnet/network that issnt' routed to anythign else or internet ;-) |
| 22:43.37 | enyc | maybe just to reach a machine with VPN service for example |
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| 23:10.08 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up |
| 23:10.23 | Xinux | Ich bin gebohrt... |
| 23:10.26 | doub | Flimzy: there's a README.3dfx explaining all the gory details in the Xfree docs |
| 23:10.34 | jbAU | karsten: ich lebst cup |
| 23:10.35 | doub | Flimzy: or maybe tdfx |
| 23:10.40 | Flimzy | doub: As they relate to dual-head with nv and tdfx? |
| 23:11.05 | Xinux | Mein Deutsch regiert' |
| 23:11.09 | doub | Flimzy: i guess it's nvidia's GL lib your using ? |
| 23:11.19 | Flimzy | doub: Probably. |
| 23:11.25 | pipeline | witless: without a DHCP server, you would need zeroconf and mDNSresponder to handle decentralized address allocation and name services |
| 23:11.26 | hacim | I'm not able to record anything with my audigy2 soundcard, with the microphone mixing settings all the way up |
| 23:11.31 | doub | Flimzy: that would explain why 3dfx doesn't work |
| 23:11.40 | Flimzy | doub: I don't know if it's possible to use both simultaneously |
| 23:11.43 | Xinux | VOCÊ TODO CHUPA ! ! ! |
| 23:12.02 | Flimzy | doub: Where is this README you mention located? |
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| 23:12.13 | thingfish | Xinux: fode se |
| 23:12.19 | challenged | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:12.19 | challenged | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 23:12.19 | karsten | streuner: Ich auch ;-) |
| 23:12.26 | challenged | any ideas what that requires me to change? |
| 23:12.26 | doub | Flimzy: in the xfree sources i found it. so maybe in some -doc debian package |
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| 23:12.46 | Xinux | thingfish: O que? |
| 23:12.54 | streuner | karsten: hehe :-) |
| 23:12.57 | Flimzy | doub: okay. There's a dozen or so README.foo packages in xserver-xfree86 for specific cards, but not tdfx. hrm... still looking |
| 23:13.01 | doub | Flimzy: my 2c guess is that nvidia's GL lib can't work with anything else |
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| 23:13.25 | thingfish | Xinux: desculpe, esquece-o |
| 23:13.25 | Flimzy | doub: A reasonable guess, I'd say. I may see if my bro would trade my Banshee for his GF2 |
| 23:13.33 | doub | Flimzy: as it instructs the card directly. i think there's such a situation described in the nvidia FAQ |
| 23:13.34 | Flimzy | doub: Then I'd have no conflicting libs/drivers on both heads |
| 23:13.57 | Xinux | thingfish: tá bom |
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| 23:14.52 | challenged | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:14.52 | challenged | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 23:14.52 | challenged | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.29 | Xinux | Sou uma besta sexy. |
| 23:15.35 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:15.39 | thingfish | vc e louco |
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| 23:16.03 | Xinux | Parafuse-o! |
| 23:16.10 | dirkvdbroek | HELLO? PLSPLS PLS I need som eHELP |
| 23:16.12 | hurd | is this place for ubuntu ? |
| 23:16.15 | hurd | what is apt-get ? |
| 23:16.21 | doub | !annoy dirkvdbroek |
| 23:16.21 | pipeline | hurd: Try #ubuntu |
| 23:16.22 | dirkvdbroek | YOU ANYONE HERE ON UBUNTO? |
| 23:16.23 | tarzeau | hurd: NO |
| 23:16.30 | dirkvdbroek | UBUNTO ROCKS |
| 23:16.35 | tarzeau | dirkvdbroek: NO IT SUCKS! |
| 23:16.36 | hurd | but apt-get is debian |
| 23:16.38 | gravity | dirkvdbroek: #ubuntu please |
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| 23:16.40 | hurd | in ubuntu deian |
| 23:16.48 | dirkvdbroek | NO i DON'T USE UBUNTO |
| 23:16.50 | tarzeau | dirkvdbroek: GO AWAY! IT SUCKS NUTS |
| 23:16.52 | streuner | !ops dirkvdbroek is a troll |
| 23:16.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: dirkvdbroek is a troll |
| 23:16.53 | stew | !ops hurd, dirkvdbroek trolls from the same host |
| 23:16.53 | dirkvdbroek | BUT I NEED SOME HELP |
| 23:16.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: hurd, dirkvdbroek trolls from the same host |
| 23:16.56 | dirkvdbroek | PLS PLS? |
| 23:16.58 | tarzeau | dirkvdbroek: HEHE :) |
| 23:17.02 | dirkvdbroek | CAN U HELP ME |
| 23:17.05 | stew | actually, no not the same host |
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| 23:17.20 | stew | thanks bob2 |
| 23:17.23 | pureone | yay |
| 23:17.25 | Flimzy | I think I'll just see if I can get my bro to give me his GF2... that will simplify things greatly. |
| 23:17.26 | tarzeau | it's funny how they misspell ubunto |
| 23:17.33 | gravity | s/bohan/bob2 |
| 23:17.39 | bohan | huhuh |
| 23:17.49 | thingfish | that's what happens when today's youth is allowed unsupervised time at the computer. |
| 23:17.52 | gravity | bohan: Sorry about that |
| 23:17.54 | bohan | :p |
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| 23:18.12 | gravity | thingfish: I thought they just looked at pr0n. A lot. |
| 23:18.17 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:18.20 | stew | gravity: how's x.org progressing? |
| 23:18.45 | [TSP]Aradorn | 28% of the internet is porn =p |
| 23:18.49 | Xinux | lol |
| 23:18.50 | gravity | stew: It's kind of held up for a moment. I'm going to do more work on it tonight. |
| 23:18.51 | Xinux | really? |
| 23:18.57 | Xinux | 28% of the internet is alot |
| 23:18.59 | [TSP]Aradorn | although thats 28% of 95 petabytes of information |
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| 23:19.02 | stew | [TSP]Aradorn: 33% of all stats are made up |
| 23:19.03 | gravity | stew: I got side-tracked doing a security fix for sarge and woody |
| 23:19.12 | Xinux | petabytes? |
| 23:19.18 | Xinux | put that in a number |
| 23:19.25 | [TSP]Aradorn | 1000 terabytes = 1 petabyte |
| 23:19.27 | Xinux | i've never seen a petabyte |
| 23:19.29 | stew | gravity: i guess that's a good excuse :) |
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| 23:19.38 | Xinux | 1000 gigabytes = 1 terabyte right? |
| 23:19.46 | gravity | stew: :-) |
| 23:19.47 | [TSP]Aradorn | stew: eh its an estimate really hard to get any exact data on the net |
| 23:19.50 | [TSP]Aradorn | aye Xinux |
| 23:20.01 | Xinux | im gonna calculate the number of MB |
| 23:20.08 | [TSP]Aradorn | so its 1 million gigs = 1 petabyte |
| 23:20.41 | [TSP]Aradorn | 1 billion MB |
| 23:20.49 | Xinux | no |
| 23:20.54 | Xinux | 95 million gigabytes |
| 23:21.04 | [TSP]Aradorn | well yeah im just putting it in terms of 1 petabyte |
| 23:21.14 | bohan | petaoushnok |
| 23:21.57 | Xinux | there is 95,000,000,000 mb on the internet |
| 23:22.04 | Xinux | 95 trillion |
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| 23:22.31 | [TSP]Aradorn | if there is 1 million gigs then its 1 million * 1000 = 1 billion |
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| 23:22.49 | enyc | heh |
| 23:22.51 | mikeeusaa | Death To women's Rights |
| 23:22.52 | mikeeusaa | Death To women's Rights |
| 23:22.54 | enyc | crazu sizes |
| 23:22.59 | Xinux | 95 trillion MB on the net |
| 23:23.01 | enyc | crazy sizes, even |
| 23:23.02 | cafuego | !ops mikeeusaa spammer |
| 23:23.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mikeeusaa spammer |
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| 23:23.16 | gravity | Ugh... permasunday |
| 23:23.24 | cafuego | !1000 |
| 23:23.24 | dpkg | 1024 |
| 23:23.36 | stew | !1024 |
| 23:23.50 | Flimzy | Woot. I'm gonna trade my 12mb Banshee for a 64mb GeForce2 tomorrow. |
| 23:23.56 | [TSP]Aradorn | lol |
| 23:24.09 | cafuego | Flimzy: Hmm, the blind leading the blind? ;-) |
| 23:24.15 | Flimzy | cafuego: eh? :) |
| 23:24.20 | [TSP]Aradorn | roflmao |
| 23:24.31 | [TSP]Aradorn | thats like a linear upgrade |
| 23:24.36 | karsten | stew: /msg dpkg please. |
| 23:24.42 | [TSP]Aradorn | going from more suck to still sucks... |
| 23:24.47 | hulu | wow it looks like google is down |
| 23:24.51 | karsten | cafuego: ...or the blond feeding the blond. Um. Nevermind. |
| 23:24.52 | Flimzy | cafuego: My bro has a GF2 he's not utilizing... A Trident would do the trick. so he agreed to the trade. |
| 23:24.58 | cafuego | karsten: OI! |
| 23:25.09 | [TSP]Aradorn | hulu: no its nto |
| 23:25.12 | cafuego | Flimzy: <heh> I have a gf2 sitting about here as well |
| 23:25.15 | dad | anyone have a clue what's up with the testing archive for mysql-common-4.1 wget 1.9 dictionaries-common 0.24.10 whois 4.7.2 and html2text 1.3.2a-1? |
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| 23:25.20 | hulu | hmm |
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| 23:25.50 | dad | all of these give me "failed to open" message from aptitude |
| 23:25.57 | [TSP]Aradorn | Google wouldnt go down even if a nuclear explosion took out most of the US |
| 23:25.59 | Anthro | I'm trying to figure out how to use mencoder to convert a WMV file to an MPEG, or anything that my cousin can use in iMovie/iDVD. Can someone help me? |
| 23:26.08 | hulu | ah, my system is falling apart because i ran grub-install |
| 23:26.19 | Flimzy | Anthro: If it were me, I'd do that with transcode. |
| 23:26.26 | karsten | Anthro: Converting between lossy codecs is tres lossy. |
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| 23:26.29 | karsten | Anthro: FYI. |
| 23:26.32 | cafuego | Anthro: Your cousin can use ffmpeg on OSX. |
| 23:26.45 | Anthro | Flimzy: What is transcode and where can I find it? |
| 23:26.48 | hulu | oh yeah |
| 23:26.57 | Anthro | cafuego: ffmpeg can read WMV? |
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| 23:27.15 | cafuego | Anthro: As long as it has the right codecs I don't see why not |
| 23:27.16 | karsten | hulu: Google works. What's it resolve to for you? |
| 23:27.50 | hulu | karsten: no, i made the mistake of running grub-install and now my system is plummeting towards a crash |
| 23:27.50 | pureone | googles dns got hacked a few weeks ago i heard |
| 23:27.56 | karsten | hulu: 216.239.57.99 216.239.37.99 216.239.39.99 . Note that IPs vary depending on your location. |
| 23:27.58 | MichaelSaunders | how can I setup exim to just forward messages to an smtp server when we run the command sendmail |
| 23:28.00 | cafuego | Anthro: Seeing as there's is a windows medial player for OSX that handled WMV just fine... |
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| 23:28.05 | karsten | hulu: Specifics? |
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| 23:28.21 | [TSP]Aradorn | pureone: wouldnt hurt them too bad |
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| 23:28.29 | cafuego | Anthro: http://homepage.mac.com/major4/ |
| 23:28.30 | karsten | hulu: ...and grub-install shouldn't affect your system at all, other than boot. |
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| 23:28.38 | pureone | they dealt with it quickly |
| 23:28.40 | Flimzy | karsten: If you need your stream in MPEG format, there may be no choice, tho. |
| 23:28.40 | Flimzy | karsten: Fortunately, you have the option of transcoding to a much higer bitrate, thus eliminating most noticable lossiness. |
| 23:28.42 | Flimzy | karsten: (at the expense of much larger files, of course) |
| 23:29.02 | Anthro | cafuego: It's footage from my wedding taken by my wife's uncle. My cousin has already made a DVD of the footage he took, but he missed some stuff. This needs to be spliced in. It isn't just a matter of playing it. |
| 23:29.03 | hulu | karsten: it hangs apparently because i have XFS and can't be killed. and now the system is way unstable |
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| 23:29.07 | karsten | Flimzy: How can you take a low bitrate => high bitrate? |
| 23:29.21 | karsten | hulu: Unstalble how? |
| 23:29.26 | cafuego | Anthro: raw DV onto data dvd it is, then |
| 23:29.27 | [TSP]Aradorn | google's system is pretty robust, cant wait to get mine up and running =) |
| 23:29.28 | Flimzy | karsten: I guess you've never tried transcoding, have you |
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| 23:29.38 | hulu | karsten: i cannot su, i cannot get a new terminal. my vi session will not write and quit |
| 23:29.41 | karsten | Flimzy: Nope. This is mostly greek to me. |
| 23:29.52 | hulu | karsten: and ctrl-c on the grub-install is hung |
| 23:29.54 | challenged | does anyone have any idea what this error is cause by? Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:29.54 | karsten | hulu: 'exec su -' from an existing shell. |
| 23:29.59 | challenged | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 23:30.01 | process_killer | I have a process that crashed and is defunt, I can't seem to be able to kill it, with with signal 9, i type kill -9 <PID> and nothing displays, it goes back to prompt, and i type ps x and its still there |
| 23:30.02 | Anthro | cafuego: How do I do it? |
| 23:30.09 | process_killer | I thought -9 was like the ultimate signal killer |
| 23:30.12 | karsten | !tell challenged xcfg |
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| 23:30.13 | process_killer | wattaaaaa |
| 23:30.15 | cafuego | Anthro: You convert to DV format in whatever you use. |
| 23:30.18 | hulu | karsten: none left :( |
| 23:30.20 | karsten | !tell challenged about xcfg |
| 23:30.21 | Flimzy | karsten: Well... When you convert from MP3 to WAV (as a simplified example), you are going lossy-low-bitrate -> lossless-high-bitrate |
| 23:30.24 | karsten | hulu: Reboot. |
| 23:30.34 | karsten | hulu: ...wait. |
| 23:30.37 | Flimzy | karsten: Then if you re-encode to MP3 at a higher bitrate... you've just done low->high lossy conversion. |
| 23:30.40 | karsten | hulu: ... can you ssh in from another host? |
| 23:30.42 | Flimzy | karsten: The same is possible with video. |
| 23:30.46 | hulu | karsten: exec su also just hangs |
| 23:31.00 | Flimzy | karsten: When I'm converting from XviD/DivX -> DVD, I usually at _least_ double the bitrate |
| 23:31.00 | hulu | maybe... |
| 23:31.06 | Anthro | cafuego: Well, I'm trying to figure out mencoder, but it has 2^32 options. Any suggestions? |
| 23:31.07 | karsten | hulu: See if you can ssh in externally, otherwise you'll need to reboot. |
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| 23:31.08 | Flimzy | karsten: So the quality remains about the same. |
| 23:31.18 | cafuego | Anthro: google is your friend? ;-) |
| 23:31.26 | Anthro | cafuego: *sigh* |
| 23:31.32 | hulu | karsten: it hangs at auth |
| 23:31.32 | Xinux | lol |
| 23:31.32 | process_killer | why can't I kill a process, even with -9, no error messages, but after kill -9 pid i try ps again and its still there |
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| 23:31.32 | [TSP]Aradorn | teoma > google =P |
| 23:31.48 | cafuego | Anthro: I would help, but none of the linux video tools work properly on amd64, so i don't use linux for video. |
| 23:31.48 | Xinux | google < the whole universe |
| 23:31.49 | Raenius | haha.. I'm trying to find something that way.. |
| 23:31.51 | Xinux | ... owned |
| 23:31.51 | hulu | stupid grub |
| 23:31.54 | karsten | Flimzy: Is this a trick where you've got loss, but the image refresh is higher, so the eye is tricked into seeing higher res? |
| 23:31.57 | Xinux | grub ownz now STFU |
| 23:31.59 | karsten | process_killer: Is it a zombie? |
| 23:32.00 | Xinux | :D |
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| 23:32.06 | Flimzy | karsten: Nope. nothing like that. |
| 23:32.06 | karsten | hulu: You'll want a boot disk. |
| 23:32.07 | process_killer | grub = awesome |
| 23:32.13 | cafuego | Anthro: If you need Adobe Premiere support, I'm your man. |
| 23:32.15 | Xinux | EVERYBODY |
| 23:32.16 | JEisen83 | I've got a bit of an odd question -- one in which Debian (or Linux of any kind) might not be the best answer. I'm aiming to replace a school filing system (for reports on students, currently made with Word templates) onto a database of some kind (preferably mysql). Unfortunately, there's no internet access, no network, and while one computer can be the standard repository, the info needs to be able to be put on disk so it can be edited |
| 23:32.17 | karsten | Flimzy: URL? |
| 23:32.19 | Flimzy | karsten: Some algorithms compress better than others. |
| 23:32.20 | Xinux | DESTROY YOUR BIOS CHIP |
| 23:32.23 | challenged | suppose i need to restart x then |
| 23:32.24 | Xinux | IT DOES FUNNY THINGS!! |
| 23:32.24 | hulu | grub=uninstallable crap with no bug reports for xfs bug |
| 23:32.29 | challenged | brb |
| 23:32.49 | process_killer | does ANYONE know why -9 is not killing a signal? |
| 23:32.52 | JEisen83 | Is there a way anyone can think of that can do this? Some sort of checkout to floppy system? Using any tools at all? |
| 23:32.53 | Flimzy | karsten: A video clip compressed with DivX at 1mbit/sec may look better than one compressed with MPEG2 at 2mbit/sec. Just b/c DivX is a much better algorythm. |
| 23:32.55 | process_killer | i mean, process* |
| 23:33.00 | Xinux | hulu: You can uninstall GRUB |
| 23:33.01 | cafuego | process_killer: -9 *is* a signal. |
| 23:33.09 | process_killer | cafuego: yes |
| 23:33.09 | karsten | JEisen83: What's your existing system? |
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| 23:33.10 | greenfly | hulu: on my grub, it displays a warning about XFS |
| 23:33.13 | Flimzy | karsten: Therefore, it makes sense that if you're transcoding from DivX -> MPEG2 that you would want ot meet or exceed 2mbit/sec in your output. |
| 23:33.16 | hulu | Xinux: i know, i just can't INSTALL it! |
| 23:33.27 | greenfly | hulu: and I've had to install grub to the MBR using actually command-line grub shell instead of the grub-install utility |
| 23:33.34 | karsten | Flimzy: I'll take your word for it. |
| 23:33.36 | process_killer | i've asked my question 3 times already, and either you missed it or no on wants to tell me anything :( |
| 23:33.43 | cafuego | hulu: The debian installer TELLS you it can't use grub on XFS. |
| 23:33.45 | hulu | well i love how it says "added xfs support" in the source docs for it |
| 23:33.48 | Anthro | cafuego: If you feel like grinding on some wedding video, I'll give you an URL to download it from. |
| 23:33.50 | Flimzy | karsten: I don't knwo why you have to. It seems like common sense to me. |
| 23:33.58 | hulu | cafuego: and i'm not using the debian installer |
| 23:34.07 | karsten | Flimzy: What makes you think I've got common sense? |
| 23:34.11 | greenfly | hulu: well, you have 3 options |
| 23:34.11 | hulu | anyhow, gotta reboot. bye |
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| 23:34.20 | greenfly | hulu: use grub shell to install grub to the MBR |
| 23:34.21 | Flimzy | karsten: You're using Debian? :P |
| 23:34.23 | JEisen83 | karsten: The system now is a very old Windows box at the school with Word docs made from a template. The teachers have Windows or Macs at home with Office. I have spare parts and can build a dedicated machine for it. |
| 23:34.27 | process_killer | why can't I kill a process, even with -9, no error messages, but after kill -9 pid i try ps again and its still there |
| 23:34.29 | greenfly | hulu: use a different filesystem than XFS |
| 23:34.30 | karsten | !tell hulu about bootable distros |
| 23:34.30 | process_killer | la de da |
| 23:34.32 | greenfly | hulu: use lilo |
| 23:34.35 | karsten | !tell hulu about bootable cd |
| 23:34.37 | cafuego | greenfly: grub can't do that on xfs, it hangs. |
| 23:34.38 | jasoncohen | anyone here using KDE 3.4 from #debian-kde? |
| 23:34.50 | greenfly | cafuego: news to me, since it works on my systems |
| 23:34.53 | cafuego | process_killer: it's a zombie then |
| 23:35.02 | greenfly | cafuego: grub-install hangs, but the grub shell doesn't |
| 23:35.06 | cafuego | greenfly: Well, it hangs the installer on mine. |
| 23:35.12 | karsten | hulu: Shutdown or power down your system. Boot w/ a bootable disk. Chroot into your existing install. Re-run 'grub-install'. If that doesn't work, come back and tell us what happened. |
| 23:35.16 | hulu | i know about bootable CDs. i know how to rescue my MBR. i just want to have grub installed. i had it installed on this same system running XFS before |
| 23:35.19 | cafuego | greenfly: both the shell *and* the installer |
| 23:35.20 | process_killer | cafuego: how does one kill a zombie (i've seen enough gore flicks, but they are not useful) |
| 23:35.26 | process_killer | ;) |
| 23:35.29 | hulu | karsten: okay, will try. thanks |
| 23:35.31 | greenfly | cafuego: oh, strange. shell did the trick for me |
| 23:35.34 | stew | process_killer: /msg dpkg zombie |
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| 23:35.42 | cafuego | process_killer: You either kill the parent process or you reboot. |
| 23:35.45 | greenfly | cafuego: I launched it, typed: root (hd0,1) then setup (hd0) then quit |
| 23:35.59 | cafuego | greenfly: root (hd0,1) hung my laptop. |
| 23:36.05 | greenfly | :( |
| 23:36.06 | karsten | JEisen83: Sounds to me as if this might not be a good candidate, _unless_ you can come up with a way to scrape data out of existing Word docs into a database. |
| 23:36.12 | cafuego | greenfly: Mind you, I knew beforehand that using XFS is a bad idea to begin with. |
| 23:36.13 | process_killer | ahh |
| 23:36.24 | karsten | hugo: FWIW I just went through same on a box here yesterday. |
| 23:36.24 | andrerp | anybody use cedega ? |
| 23:36.27 | process_killer | parent process, how do I list it, with auxf? |
| 23:36.30 | greenfly | well, using XFS isn't necessarily a /bad/ idea, just with grub :) |
| 23:36.33 | cafuego | Seeing as it had already trashed the disk twice before, losing all data. |
| 23:36.35 | process_killer | thats the only ones I can think of in the man page |
| 23:36.49 | greenfly | cafuego: 2.6 kernel series? |
| 23:37.03 | cafuego | greenfly: once with 2.4 and once with 2.6 |
| 23:37.07 | greenfly | odd |
| 23:37.22 | cafuego | From personal experience I'd call reiserfs FAR more stable than xfs ;-) |
| 23:37.29 | greenfly | I know of some issue with 2.6 (particularly 2.6.8) that some ubuntu users have seen |
| 23:37.39 | greenfly | I personally ran into it with 2.6.10 on a debian system |
| 23:37.42 | greenfly | but not with 2.4 yet |
| 23:38.01 | cafuego | all bootloaders work, no data gets lost |
| 23:38.04 | JEisen83 | karsten: I can convert the data into a database with not much work. Only about 60 students. The problem will be in letting people edit the data at home without having internet access to it. |
| 23:38.08 | greenfly | heh |
| 23:38.25 | greenfly | I switched to ext3 on my laptop, but I'm kinda disappointed in the performance |
| 23:38.36 | greenfly | it's a noticeable difference when the disk is under load |
| 23:38.48 | cafuego | greenfly: No problems here, just install laptop-mode, so it doesn't flush every 5 secs. |
| 23:38.50 | karsten | JEisen83: To implement something, you'd need to 1) design the database, 2) design the input format(s), 3) coexist with existing infrastructure (home PCs w/ range of apps), 4). sell this to the school (conceptually or financially), 5. Support it. |
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| 23:39.10 | greenfly | I ran into some issues with laptop-mode + XFS as well |
| 23:39.24 | karsten | JEisen83: Yeah. Either you'll need to provide some form of Word template, or provide an input client for the teachers to install on their home systems. |
| 23:39.34 | JEisen83 | karsten: Right. It's #3 that's the key. |
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| 23:40.08 | karsten | JEisen83: This is what I consider a nontrivial project. Do you have a good way of scraping Word docs? |
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| 23:41.00 | JEisen83 | karsten: The existing ones or ones that would be edited? (Note that, if it makes it easier, I can output to Excel and have people edit that too) |
| 23:41.17 | karsten | JEisen83: Yes. |
| 23:41.36 | karsten | JEisen83: Excel might be far easier to deal with, much cleaner and more consistent internal format. |
| 23:41.55 | JEisen83 | karsten: Problem is that right now, there's no unified format and I'm being asked if I can extend their current format into completely nonsensical range. The ones from earlier in the year are Word, I can convert those. The newest ones are Excel. |
| 23:41.56 | Flimzy | What are you doing with M$ formats anyway? |
| 23:42.09 | karsten | JEisen83: ...but a worse input environment for the user. |
| 23:42.12 | denial25 | I'm still trying to fix gtk1 fonts for apps like the xmms file chooser... I have a .gtkrc.mine file with style entries for user-font and default-text, but I'm still getting ugly large fonts |
| 23:42.26 | karsten | Flimzy: It's what the users have. Scrollback. |
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| 23:42.51 | karsten | Flimzy: Data conversion / interop formats are a PITA. I get paid for that sort of thing. |
| 23:42.55 | benjamindees | so, how would a webpage be (worse|less secure) ? |
| 23:43.02 | JEisen83 | Flimzy: I'd like nothing more than to have everything done in open formats, but... |
| 23:43.06 | process_killer | cafuego: how can I list the parent of that zombie process, I have tried a copule things but I can't seem to figure it out |
| 23:43.22 | karsten | process_killer: 'pstree -pA | less' |
| 23:43.40 | karsten | process_killer: ...or cat /proc/<PID>/env and look for 'PPID' |
| 23:43.51 | process_killer | thanks |
| 23:43.51 | karsten | process_killer: s/env/environ/ |
| 23:43.55 | Flimzy | JEisen83: If $$ is the only concern, sell them OpenOffice. If that's not an option, does OO have any way to do an automatic Doc -> OpenDoc format? |
| 23:44.19 | Flimzy | s/format/conversion/ |
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| 23:44.56 | karsten | process_killer: grep '^PPid' /proc/<pid>/status |
| 23:45.04 | karsten | process_killer: environ may not have it. |
| 23:45.11 | benjamindees | you need a customized run-from-cd distro with whatever app you want to run |
| 23:45.15 | process_killer | i got it from pstree |
| 23:45.29 | process_killer | actually i had from ps with an f |
| 23:45.40 | process_killer | but umm, i couldn't believe it, it was started from ./eggdrop !!! |
| 23:45.44 | JEisen83 | karsten: So let's say I can have them edit Excel... how difficult would it be to sync that with a SQL database? I can't imagine there isn't a solution for this already... it's pretty much just CVS with floppies that I want to do. :) |
| 23:45.47 | process_killer | parent process is my eggdrop |
| 23:45.50 | process_killer | wtf |
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| 23:46.08 | process_killer | how the hell did xfdesktop be started by eggdrop |
| 23:46.17 | JEisen83 | Flimzy: $$ isn't the concern, not making things harder for the teachers is. They barely know how to use Windows. |
| 23:46.18 | karsten | JEisen83: There _may_ be existing MySQL / Postgres excel=> DB plugins. |
| 23:46.20 | pipeline | JEisen83: Uh, why don't you literally use CVS with floppies? |
| 23:46.35 | Flimzy | JEisen83: IME, OpenOffice is no harder to use than MS Word. |
| 23:46.39 | Flimzy | s/Word/Office/ |
| 23:46.41 | karsten | JEisen83: There are excel => text tools. Gimme a sec to hunt mine down.... |
| 23:46.42 | pipeline | JEisen83: Also, Gnumeric has a database backend. Excel... maybe not. Excel, I would expect you to have to export stuff to Access. |
| 23:46.55 | JEisen83 | Flimzy: Having them all install it on their home computers is too much. |
| 23:47.43 | karsten | JEisen83: excel2text Written by Gary Johnson <garyjohn@spk.agilent.com> |
| 23:47.49 | Flimzy | JEisen83: yah... too bad so many ppl are stupid, huh? :P |
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| 23:48.19 | karsten | JEisen83: Uses xlhtml, a standard Debian program.... |
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| 23:50.54 | karsten | JEisen83: package name is same. 'xlhtml' |
| 23:51.09 | MacCall | hello, how can i get sound works with sarge ? |
| 23:51.22 | Flimzy | I think artsd sucks ass. Ever since I started using that as my XMMS output plugin, any time I switch windows, my music skips. |
| 23:51.26 | MacCall | have i to edit /etc/modutils/alsa-base ? |
| 23:51.35 | pipeline | Flimzy: Surprise, surprise: artsd DOES suck ass. Don't use it. |
| 23:51.36 | karsten | !tell MacCall about sound |
| 23:51.46 | pipeline | MacCall: You shouldn't have to edit anything by hand :( |
| 23:52.07 | Flimzy | pipeline: I thin I will quit using it very soon :) I intend to migrate to Gnome very shortly, actually. that'll make getting rid of artsd very easy |
| 23:52.09 | JEisen83 | karsten: Hmm... so that converts the Excel to HTML... then I parse the HTML to put into SQL? |
| 23:52.37 | karsten | JEisen83: Yeah. The excel2text utilty basically does that. |
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| 23:52.47 | pipeline | Flimzy: in the short term, I believe it's possible to persuade artsd to use the "play" utility for the KDE sound effects rather than fooling with the soundcard itself. |
| 23:52.50 | zxclkjqwe | JEisen83: there's a program which converts xls to csv too, may be easier to parse |
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| 23:52.59 | colera | anyone here use a bluetooth hid in linux? |
| 23:53.08 | Flimzy | pipeline: nah, I'll just live with it for the next day. |
| 23:53.22 | pipeline | JEisen83: Why are you storing things in a database? |
| 23:53.23 | MacCall | pipeline: but i can't understand what i'm supose to do :( |
| 23:53.35 | karsten | JEisen83: There should also be excel => DSD tools (eg: tab/comma delimited). |
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| 23:53.40 | pipeline | MacCall: What version of Debian are you using and what sound card do you have? |
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| 23:54.02 | karsten | JEisen83: http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |
| 23:54.04 | JEisen83 | pipeline: I'm looking at whether it might actually be better for the school. It's information (including updated progress reports) for about 60-70 students at a school. |
| 23:54.17 | MacCall | pipeline: when i modprobe snd-via82xx every thing seems ok but when i use amixer it said [amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory] |
| 23:54.38 | MacCall | pipeline: debian sarge |
| 23:55.45 | benjamindees | what kind of teachers don't have internet access? |
| 23:55.47 | JEisen83 | At this point, it looks like it might just be much easier to keep going with their excel templates, converting the Word ones to it, and hopefully they won't need to convert to some other format in the next few years. Sigh. I was hoping I could actually get this place to go... not even high-tech. Mid-tech. |
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| 23:56.06 | pipeline | MacCall: I would install hotplug, alsa-utils, and alsa-oss, then reboot and see if hotplug sets up the card right. |
| 23:56.10 | K_dallas | benjamindees: a teacher who is pretty darn good ;) |
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| 23:56.21 | JEisen83 | benjamindees: The teachers all do, the school doesn't. :) |
| 23:56.31 | quittt | do you know a guitar tuner for Debian? |
| 23:56.57 | dabreegster | quittt: wmtune |
| 23:56.58 | MacCall | pipeline: ok, i'll try this |
| 23:57.07 | dabreegster | quittt: err, gtkguitune. sorry. |
| 23:57.28 | n00berSc0uper | tht like gtkguispoon |
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| 23:57.45 | benjamindees | JEisen83, oh, small school I suppose |
| 23:57.46 | Blue_ | math |
| 23:57.51 | karsten | JEisen83: http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/excel2text |
| 23:58.12 | benjamindees | JEisen83, start a dot com :) |
| 23:58.24 | hulu | karsten, i rebooted and every time i run grub-install it hangs |
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| 23:58.38 | karsten | hulu: 'grub install' with what argument? |
| 23:58.41 | witless | for a small local network with windows clients, what might be the best mail server ? |
| 23:58.41 | JEisen83 | benjamindees: It's a special needs school inside a church. ;) |
| 23:58.55 | hulu | karsten, grub-install --no-floppy /dev/hda |
| 23:59.00 | benjamindees | JEisen83, I'm sure there's lots of small schools that would need that though |
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| 23:59.08 | Flimzy | witless: That depends entirely on your needs. |
| 23:59.13 | abrotman | quittt: there are quite a few .. |
| 23:59.19 | karsten | hulu: Where does it hang? Does it probe for devices? |
| 23:59.23 | denial25 | does anyone know how I can change the gtk1 font used by apps like xmms file chooser? |
| 23:59.32 | witless | Flimzy: just e-mail within an office |
| 23:59.37 | abrotman | quittt: apt-cache search guitar shows at least one |
| 23:59.45 | Flimzy | witless: That says next to nothing. |
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| 23:59.59 | FieldySnuts | @lart witless |
