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| 00:00.39 | karsten | JEisen83: 'catdoc' includes xls2csv, may be useful. |
| 00:00.41 | Flimzy | witless: With that much information, you can eliminate smail from the running. That's about it. |
| 00:01.12 | hulu | karsten, "Due to a bug in xfs_freeze, the following command might produce a segmentation fault when /boot/grub |
| 00:01.12 | hulu | karsten, "is not in an XFS filesystem. This error is harmless and can be ignored." then it just hangs |
| 00:01.13 | witless | windows clients, local accounts within the office, pop accounts on the internet. that's it. |
| 00:01.13 | JEisen83 | karsten: I like it, I ma try to use it, but it looks like I'm not going to be able to change their whole system over with this just yet... I was hoping there was some solution that incorporated several pre-written OSS packages. I guess this too specific. |
| 00:01.25 | witless | cool, i guess i'll just pick one. |
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| 00:01.51 | zxclkjqwe | denial25: you can edit some file like ~/.gtkrc |
| 00:01.57 | karsten | hulu: Google/ |
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| 00:02.07 | karsten | JEisen83: NP. Interesting research ;-) |
| 00:02.11 | JEisen83 | karsten: I don't have the time to write a parser to input stuff and export out of SQL. I might at some future time, and will likely use some of this. Thanks! :) |
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| 00:02.19 | hulu | karsten, googled and googled and googled. checked grub mailing list. etc. nothing relevant |
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| 00:02.38 | hulu | karsten, and i have this problem on 2 systems. one a laptop the other with a compaq raid controller |
| 00:02.57 | denial25 | zxclkjqwe, I have edited .gtkrc.mine to use tahoma as the user-font, but that has not fixed it |
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| 00:03.10 | hulu | karsten, i'm willing to bet $20 if i try it on this desktop system the same will happen |
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| 00:03.34 | zxclkjqwe | denial25: i use the file ~/.gtkrc, not ~/.gtkrc.mine |
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| 00:03.43 | hulu | karsten, what blows my mind is that i had grub on the laptop before, but then had to replace the HD in it. |
| 00:03.44 | shingouz | hulu: Have you tried making them bootable with lilo? |
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| 00:04.01 | hulu | shingouz, that's currently what i'm using |
| 00:04.05 | denial25 | zxclkjqwe, could you paste your .gtkrc file to #flood? |
| 00:04.10 | zxclkjqwe | denial25: ok |
| 00:04.11 | hulu | shingouz, but i need grub |
| 00:04.14 | karsten | hulu: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-May/034131.html |
| 00:04.18 | shingouz | hulu: Why? |
| 00:04.24 | karsten | hulu: You may need to use lilo as a workaround. |
| 00:04.35 | hulu | shingouz, that's another story but suffice to say its necessary |
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| 00:05.00 | karsten | hulu: http://www.trusteddebian.org/wiki/IssueNo0406SbinGrubKilledByPAX1044StableKernel24261586tsc |
| 00:05.09 | hulu | karsten, i've seen that link. his problem was that he had the wrong device listed |
| 00:05.35 | abrotman | shingouz: wussy |
| 00:05.42 | karsten | hulu: Is /boot its own partition? |
| 00:05.45 | shingouz | abrotman: heh |
| 00:06.02 | karsten | hulu: While I like and generally prefer GRUB, if a system wants LILO, I give it LILO. |
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| 00:06.38 | hulu | karsten, no. and both those links you gave were irrelevant |
| 00:06.45 | jasoncohen | what does and an iU mean when you do a dkpg -l of a package? |
| 00:07.04 | karsten | hulu: See Bug#282127: |
| 00:07.24 | doub | jasoncohen: dpkg -s <package> will tell you |
| 00:07.40 | doub | jasoncohen: most probably, it's "installed, marked for uninstall" |
| 00:07.48 | benjamindees | http://www.mygradebook.com/ |
| 00:07.54 | distempr | Hmm, I'm using Eterm for borderless (and hopefully faster than gnome-terminal) operation, but it seems to have problems with fonts, is there a well-known reason for this? All packages listed with "dpkg -l '*fonts*' show to be installed. The problem is that some characters get the "empty box" character (especially white-space characters). |
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| 00:08.19 | karsten | hulu: ...and #309218 |
| 00:08.31 | mikeeusaa | death to women's rights |
| 00:08.35 | mikeeusaa | Death To women's Rights |
| 00:08.37 | mikeeusaa | Death To women's Rights |
| 00:08.39 | hacim | kick |
| 00:08.39 | mikeeusaa | Death To women's Rights |
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| 00:08.42 | karsten | hulu: ...which provides a fix. Posted yesterday. |
| 00:08.45 | zinx | is it sunday again? |
| 00:08.46 | karsten | !ops mikeeusaa |
| 00:08.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mikeeusaa |
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| 00:09.01 | hacim | kick |
| 00:09.01 | hulu | karsten, all these links you send are problems not related. i am not running grub with the --grub-shell="/sbin/grub option |
| 00:09.08 | karsten | !ops ban c-24-20-70-130.hsd1.or.comcast.net |
| 00:09.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ban c-24-20-70-130.hsd1.or.comcast.net |
| 00:09.10 | bob2 | mikeeusaa: you're the most pathetic person I know |
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| 00:09.36 | hulu | karsten, ah cool. a patch |
| 00:09.39 | karsten | hulu: ;-) |
| 00:09.42 | zorn | Death To women's Rights |
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| 00:09.44 | zorn | Death To women's Rights |
| 00:09.46 | karsten | hulu: Use the BTS. |
| 00:09.46 | zorn | Death To women's Rights |
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| 00:09.56 | karsten | !ops c-24-20-70-130.hsd1.or.comcast.net |
| 00:09.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: c-24-20-70-130.hsd1.or.comcast.net |
| 00:10.04 | hacim | i installed a package, and I answered some debconf questions, and it failed to install, I want to reinstall and be asked those questions again. I can't do dpkg-reconfigure because that requires it to be installed, and the installation fails, but the configuration is set |
| 00:10.12 | hulu | karsten, good idea. thanks! |
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| 00:10.21 | stouset | hacim: dpkg --configure -a |
| 00:10.29 | hacim | stouset: the package is not installed |
| 00:10.55 | chealer | hacim: don't break debhelper's kick by asking for kick :) |
| 00:10.57 | stouset | hacim: can you reinstall, and do a dpkg-reconfigure once the package is installed? |
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| 00:11.07 | hacim | stouset: no |
| 00:11.13 | hacim | stouset: because the package does not fully install |
| 00:11.23 | hacim | stouset: due to the questions that I answered to the debconf queries |
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| 00:11.29 | j_k | hacim: you can go hunting in /var/cache/debconf if you find no other way |
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| 00:11.33 | hacim | chealer: heh, sorry didn't mean to do that |
| 00:11.44 | hacim | j_k: that was what I was going to do, but I thought there might be a better way |
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| 00:12.02 | stouset | hacim: I don't think there is for an uninstalled package =\ |
| 00:12.03 | jshriver | greetings everyone :) |
| 00:12.53 | jshriver | Anyone know why a package can't be installed because it depends on a specific version, and a newer version is installed? |
| 00:13.05 | jshriver | getting errors trying to install xlibs-dev |
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| 00:13.40 | distempr | Anyone know what I could do re: fonts? |
| 00:13.53 | jshriver | distempr: ?? |
| 00:14.02 | chealer | jshriver: which release, which error? |
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| 00:14.20 | jshriver | chealer: Debian 3.0R4 Stable and Testing |
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| 00:14.34 | jshriver | but I'd say 99% is stable, only a couple testing packages |
| 00:14.37 | distempr | Hmm, I'm using Eterm for borderless (and hopefully faster than gnome-terminal) operation, but it seems to have problems with fonts, is there a well-known reason for this? All packages listed with "dpkg -l '*fonts*' show to be installed. The problem is that some characters get the "empty box" character (especially white-space characters). |
| 00:15.03 | chealer | I wish |
| 00:15.03 | jshriver | chealer: should I past error here or in #flood? |
| 00:15.17 | chealer | depending, you'll be kicked for 5 lines here |
| 00:15.23 | stouset | jshriver: in #flood if more than 3 or so lines |
| 00:15.29 | jshriver | just 1 ok :) |
| 00:15.29 | mhall | What's the largest, most powerful server available that runs an officially contract supported version of Linux and uses the Opteron architecture? Say, something equivalent in power to a fully loaded Sun Fire E25k. |
| 00:15.30 | jshriver | xlibs-dev: Depends: xlibs (= 4.1.0-16woody5) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12 is to be installed |
| 00:15.41 | jshriver | mhall: IBM |
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| 00:15.54 | karsten | bob2: staff have klined that IP I believe. |
| 00:15.58 | chealer | jshriver: mixing problem |
| 00:16.02 | gravity | jshriver: You don't have a newer version |
| 00:16.10 | nunez | I'm trying to mirror a whole subdir(http://dir.main.com/) which is only directory lists, yet when I run wget it just downloads(www.main.com/index.html) and stops? |
| 00:16.12 | karsten | bob2: turns out to be an old troll from way back. |
| 00:16.29 | jshriver | distempr: sorry not sure what the problem is.. :( |
| 00:16.31 | bob2 | yes, I know |
| 00:16.36 | bob2 | he comes back every couple of months |
| 00:16.40 | jshriver | nunez: wget -m? |
| 00:16.43 | gravity | That mikeeusaa guy? |
| 00:16.52 | ElectricElf | bob2: Months? |
| 00:16.53 | mhall | jshriver: They have something like that? Sweet. |
| 00:16.58 | dabreegster | gnaa? |
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| 00:17.03 | jshriver | chealer: now how I can get around this safely? I'm trying to setup a a couple apps that require Xlib and headers |
| 00:17.18 | Phated | FieldySnuts: *bite* |
| 00:17.21 | pipeline | mhall: Nothing comes close to a fully loaded E25k. |
| 00:17.24 | jshriver | mhall: not 100% if opteron or not.. but I know they sale some beafed up mainframe in a box w/ linux |
| 00:17.26 | FieldySnuts | ow! |
| 00:17.35 | pipeline | mhall: HP sells an eight-way opteron system. |
| 00:17.50 | karsten | Phated: Good _morning_ <munch> |
| 00:17.51 | jshriver | cab also check out HP they have SMP opteron boxes.. |
| 00:17.56 | jshriver | ;) pipeline beat me to it |
| 00:17.59 | chealer | jshriver: this is on apt-get install xlibs-dev? |
| 00:18.00 | mhall | How about other architectures besides Opteron? |
| 00:18.02 | pipeline | jshriver: IBM will sell you a p690 with Linux, but that is definitely NOT opteron. Also, not a mainframe. |
| 00:18.04 | jshriver | chealer: yes |
| 00:18.08 | pipeline | mhall: IBM sells BIG f'in machines with Linux. |
| 00:18.17 | jshriver | aye |
| 00:18.19 | pipeline | mhall: p690 is 32-way, holds about as much RAM as an E25k. |
| 00:18.31 | pipeline | mhall: Costs as much as several E25ks :P |
| 00:18.33 | chealer | jshriver: what's your current xlibs version? |
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| 00:18.39 | karsten | pipeline: p690 -- RISC? |
| 00:18.44 | jshriver | chealer: hrm not sure, how can I check |
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| 00:18.52 | chealer | jshriver: dpkg -l xlibs |
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| 00:18.56 | jshriver | thanks |
| 00:19.24 | jshriver | xlibs 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 |
| 00:19.33 | mhall | pipeline: the problem i am having is, SPARC chips are slow |
| 00:19.38 | pipeline | mhall: http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/hardware/highend/595.html |
| 00:19.47 | jshriver | mhall: sad isnt it? to bad Alpha didn't stay in the game |
| 00:19.48 | nunez | jshriver, yeah |
| 00:19.53 | chealer | jshriver: hum, how did you get that? |
| 00:19.53 | mhall | pipeline: and many of our compute tasks are very one threaded |
| 00:19.54 | pipeline | mhall: Heh, when you get up into E25k territory, you're probably hitting interconnect problems, too. |
| 00:20.01 | mhall | pipeline: like processing lots of XML |
| 00:20.01 | chealer | jshriver: how are you using that box? |
| 00:20.05 | jshriver | chealer: dpkg l xlibs |
| 00:20.09 | jshriver | chealer: as a desktop |
| 00:20.12 | pipeline | mhall: Well, IBM sells about the biggest linux systems you can get, short of SGI. |
| 00:20.14 | mhall | pipeline: you cannot make a multi thread file writer |
| 00:20.19 | pipeline | mhall: And SGI is probably out of your price range |
| 00:20.30 | mhall | pipeline: this is a fortune 100 |
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| 00:20.33 | jshriver | chealer: I pasted the full out in #flood |
| 00:20.35 | chealer | chealer: I meant you installed that version a *long* time ago because of the mix? |
| 00:20.39 | pipeline | mhall: As I just said, SGI is probably out of your price range :P |
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| 00:20.47 | mhall | pipeline: lol |
| 00:20.54 | chealer | jshriver: thanks, but that doesn't say more |
| 00:20.57 | pipeline | mhall: SGI prices make that p5 595 look like a Dell. |
| 00:21.07 | jshriver | chealer: *shrug* not sure.. a friend let me use his cable modem to set this box up because I didnt have net access |
| 00:21.12 | karsten | pipeline: Dunno. Old 02 boxen are prolly available cheep. |
| 00:21.28 | chealer | jshriver: do you have high security needs on that desktop? |
| 00:21.32 | pipeline | karsten: I'm talking about their Linux machines, which I can assure you, are not cheap. |
| 00:21.42 | pipeline | karsten: I don't think they even sell refurbished O2's any more, as they're pieces of shit. |
| 00:21.42 | jshriver | chealer: not really why? jsut a desktop and behind a firewall router |
| 00:21.55 | chealer | jshriver: cable access doesn't mix releases |
| 00:21.55 | loke- | im trying to start kde and its complaining $DISPLAY is not set. what should i set $DISPLAY to? |
| 00:22.02 | jshriver | pipeline: I have a place in my heart for O2's and Octanes hehe |
| 00:22.12 | pipeline | mhall: At any rate, I think IBM PPC64 machines will run fully-supported SuSE or Redhat. |
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| 00:22.20 | ruied | I'm installing kernel 2.6, the system says that I should have intrd imgage configured in lilo.conf What do I need to do? |
| 00:22.21 | karsten | mhall: Answering your earlier question: Thunder? Not sure it's Opteron, but it's x86. |
| 00:22.24 | pipeline | jshriver: Octanes are still pretty goddamned powerful, even by today's standards. |
| 00:22.30 | jshriver | chealer: I jsut meant he let me use his net access for doing a net install.. |
| 00:22.43 | chealer | jshriver: woody was released in 2002, you should most likely upgrade to sarge instead of trying to deal with a mix |
| 00:22.45 | karsten | jshriver: Is it somewhere near the coal scuttle? |
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| 00:22.56 | Lee__ | ruied: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2 grub |
| 00:23.00 | jshriver | chealer: I have done a apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 00:23.07 | pipeline | karsten, jshriver: Some day, I'm going to get 2x O200's and a NUMAlink cable... |
| 00:23.25 | jshriver | pipeline: doing some PVM stuff? |
| 00:23.29 | mhall | pipeline: argh stupid Sun won't post fresh benchmarks |
| 00:23.37 | jshriver | karsten: lol |
| 00:23.43 | pipeline | mhall: SPARC is slow, they have nothing to gain by posting benchmarks :P |
| 00:23.56 | ruied | Lee__: why groub ? don't understand... |
| 00:23.58 | pipeline | jshriver: PVM? No, I just think the Origin 200 is incredibly cool. |
| 00:24.04 | chealer | jshriver: if you setup your sources and APT config correctly that should have brought you to sarge (except use dist-upgrade, not upgrade_ |
| 00:24.17 | Lee__ | ruied: grub is managed automatically if you use the kernels in sarge |
| 00:24.32 | jshriver | hrm.. I'm using a custom sources.list my friend gave me.. let me try dist-upgrade |
| 00:24.49 | stouset | jshriver: What are its contents? |
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| 00:25.08 | jshriver | let me past in #flood |
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| 00:25.19 | ruied | tx... |
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| 00:25.55 | jshriver | stouset: I pasted in #flood |
| 00:26.04 | mhall | pipeline: i figure, if we must switch, we should switch to linux |
| 00:26.10 | mhall | pipeline: the other unices are crappy |
| 00:26.19 | pipeline | mhall: uh... no. |
| 00:26.30 | mhall | pipeline: so i wanted to find out if there was anything that could match an e25k |
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| 00:26.40 | jshriver | that's the source he uses, he has 7 linux boxes in his room and found this to be the best source speedwise |
| 00:26.41 | pipeline | mhall: Yeah, but nothing that's going to match Solaris. |
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| 00:26.55 | mhall | pipeline: i mean usability-wise, future-wise, they are going to die in the future |
| 00:27.08 | jshriver | pipeline: I'm outta of the loop since I just had my net access brought back today.. but I read a long time ago |
| 00:27.13 | jshriver | that Sun was OSS'ing Solaris |
| 00:27.14 | pipeline | mhall: Somehow I doubt that, but hey, it's your multi-million dollar purchasing decision. |
| 00:27.31 | mhall | pipeline: lol |
| 00:27.35 | pipeline | jshriver: They are, eventually. |
| 00:27.37 | jshriver | Will you guys be here in 30min or so? I need to run to the drug store for my mother |
| 00:27.39 | mhall | pipeline: yeah right |
| 00:27.45 | Guerin | open, but not free |
| 00:27.55 | karsten | mhall: Is this line of questioning directed or idle speculation? |
| 00:28.06 | pipeline | mhall: There are people who are not students, who are not employed by Sun, who are not employed by any university, who have Sun source in their hands. There's no "yeah right" about it. |
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| 00:28.14 | mhall | karsten: well a little in between both |
| 00:28.17 | chealer | jshriver: no, the 800 of us will be at the PC store |
| 00:28.22 | mhall | pipeline: now what i meant |
| 00:28.23 | pipeline | Guerin: The license has already been published, and it's free, no strings attached. |
| 00:28.24 | Lee__ | I heard that the latest "switching" craze is to OS X :) |
| 00:28.25 | karsten | mhall: ...a lot of the answer depends on your specific loads. Parituclarly whether or not you can disaggregate your tasks (think cluster) or need NUMA (think Big Iron). |
| 00:28.35 | Guerin | pipeline: CDDL? Don't make me laugh. |
| 00:28.36 | chealer | jshriver: what's the use of http://debian.crosslink.net ? |
| 00:28.41 | mhall | pipeline: i meant there's no way i'd be allowed to make that decision |
| 00:28.48 | Guerin | well, it's GPL incompatible |
| 00:28.52 | mhall | pipeline: and i'm sceptical of what sun's doing with S10 |
| 00:29.03 | mhall | pipeline: but that's a different issue |
| 00:29.10 | pipeline | Guerin: OH NO. GPL incompatible. Whatever will we do? |
| 00:29.19 | mhall | karsten: yeah that's the problem, these tasks are not good multibox tasks |
| 00:29.22 | karsten | mhall: If your task _is_ capable of parallelization, then cluster is almost certainly your best bet. Incremental build, commodity HW, buy inflection-point performance when you need it, best $/perf at the time. |
| 00:29.23 | pipeline | Guerin: News flash: Mozilla's license is also GPL incompatible. |
| 00:29.27 | karsten | mhall: What tasks? |
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| 00:29.53 | pipeline | Guerin: Not to mention, how many GPL operating system projects are there? It's not like it would be technically feasible to copy driver code from Solaris to Linux or vice versa. |
| 00:30.01 | mhall | karsten: well huge multi-terabyte oracle databases, SAN access, cellular record aggregation |
| 00:30.06 | Guerin_ | pipeline: mozilla is dual-licensed; as this should be if sun really wanted to give a damn about free software |
| 00:30.10 | mhall | karsten: message queueing |
| 00:30.12 | karsten | mhall: ...and WTF are you doing Opteron for? 64-bit for anything of that size now. |
| 00:30.25 | mhall | karsten: we use too much RAM to do 32 |
| 00:30.26 | Guerin_ | pipeline: but you're right; it is free. |
| 00:30.29 | karsten | mhall: "cellular record aggregation"? |
| 00:30.41 | mhall | karsten: i was thinking opteron because it's very fast on the per chip level |
| 00:30.47 | karsten | mhall: Um. I'm HW dumb. Opteron == Intel or AMD? |
| 00:30.50 | Aeo|sleep | whrere do i find my hardware.. what do i type? |
| 00:30.53 | mhall | karsten: and many of the tasks are not threaded or multiprocessor |
| 00:31.05 | mhall | karsten: AMD 64-bit x86 compatible replacement |
| 00:31.06 | Flimzy | Is it possible to change the user agent string that Mozilla Firebird sends to fool stupid web sites into thinking I'm using a Netscape-compatible browser? |
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| 00:31.06 | karsten | mhall: Doh!. My bad. |
| 00:31.06 | zinx | karsten: decepticons |
| 00:31.06 | pipeline | karsten: Shut up. |
| 00:31.15 | karsten | pipeline: ?? |
| 00:31.21 | pipeline | karsten: Seriously. Linux clusters are NOT suited to several of the tasks you just mentioned. |
| 00:31.49 | [Immo]Benji | Is there anyway I can share sound between two applications? I'm running a game and xmms at the same time, but only one application can play the sound at once. |
| 00:31.50 | pipeline | karsten: Big f'in UNIX boxes blow away any kind of cluster on transaction processing benchmarks. Oracle cluster licensing is murder. Clusters ain't going to replace big iron in our lifetimes, dude. |
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| 00:31.58 | bob2 | [Immo]Benji: make them both use esd |
| 00:32.02 | karsten | pipeline: Pardon? I said if it's parallelizable. That's pretty much the native definition of cluster-preferred problem areas. |
| 00:32.12 | karsten | pipeline: Yes, I never said otherwise. |
| 00:32.14 | kelan | Flimzy: theres an extension for it, if you mean firefox instead of firebird |
| 00:32.16 | pipeline | karsten: The places that clusters are being used for serious work, they're usually clusters of big-iron machines with proprietary interlinks. |
| 00:32.17 | mhall | what is there available, then, that is not necessarily linux, but faster on a per chip level than ultrasparc iv? |
| 00:32.29 | pipeline | karsten: commodity clusters are NOT well-suited to many problems. |
| 00:32.35 | [Immo]Benji | bob2, can I make cedega use esd? |
| 00:32.35 | pipeline | mhall: Everything else on the market. |
| 00:32.43 | karsten | pipeline: WRT clusters of big-iron, catagorically false. |
| 00:32.47 | pipeline | [Immo]Benji: Yes. Look at ~/.transgaming/config |
| 00:32.47 | Flimzy | kalen: No, firebird. |
| 00:32.49 | mhall | pipeline: so what are the big name choices |
| 00:32.51 | [Immo]Benji | thanks |
| 00:32.51 | bob2 | [Immo]Benji: I don't know |
| 00:32.58 | pipeline | karsten: Excuse me? |
| 00:33.00 | karsten | pipeline: ...You're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that. Don't do that. |
| 00:33.03 | chealer | Guerin_: mozilla isn't dual-licensed...it's "being" dual-licensed |
| 00:33.10 | Guerin_ | chealer: eh? |
| 00:33.23 | mhall | pipeline: ibm, hp, and sgi is what i'm hearing so far |
| 00:33.24 | pipeline | [Immo]Benji: look for a line with "esddrv" in it |
| 00:33.39 | karsten | mhall: How sold are you on Oracle? |
| 00:33.48 | pipeline | mhall: Yes, old-line UNIX vendors. There's also comedy option Unisys, but they only sell NT machines. |
| 00:33.55 | mhall | karsten: well i'm not, i'd probably use db2 |
| 00:34.03 | mhall | karsten: but i can't change it out |
| 00:34.09 | pipeline | mhall: If you call HP or IBM and tell them you're looking to migrate from Sun, they'll bend over backwards to get you a good price quote. |
| 00:34.10 | kelan | Flimzy: don't know then. it might be possible. maybe with a config setting. can you do about:config in firebird and get a list of options? |
| 00:34.13 | virgomoon | Has anyone else noticed us.cdimage.debian.org being VERY slow today? Or is it just me? |
| 00:34.21 | karsten | pipeline: Unisys are talking Linux-friendly these days, though given their past I don't trust 'em. |
| 00:34.27 | chealer | Guerin_: see http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/ |
| 00:34.31 | mhall | pipeline: i'm sure they would for this company, we'd make them millions a year |
| 00:34.45 | Guerin_ | goddamn I'm stupid this morning |
| 00:34.48 | mhall | pipeline: we were thinking of moving to hp in the next big cycle |
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| 00:35.02 | mhall | pipeline: now that i know they can support it, i will try to throw ibm in as well |
| 00:35.10 | ruied | yy |
| 00:35.12 | mhall | pipeline: we've got to dump these slow sparcs |
| 00:35.16 | karsten | mhall: /msg ? |
| 00:35.19 | pipeline | karsten: Heh, Unisys has done some really, really silly things in the last ten years. You know their current line of mainframes is just NT systems running an emulator? |
| 00:35.25 | chealer | Guerin_: actually, it's being tri-licensed |
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| 00:35.40 | mhall | karsten: not right now |
| 00:35.47 | mhall | karsten: i have to leave in a couple minutes |
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| 00:35.57 | mhall | karsten: i will try to be online tonight but i just moved |
| 00:36.03 | mhall | karsten: so i have to get wireless working first |
| 00:36.09 | karsten | pipeline: Honestly I haven't followed them very closely. I've been underwhelmed. I've seen some of their partitioned kit, running NT. Their "we have the way out" crap with MSFT. And in the past 6-9 months, Barney talk WRT Linux. |
| 00:36.19 | Flimzy | kelan: Thanks, that did the trick :) |
| 00:36.22 | karsten | mhall: Drop me a line kmself@ix.netcom.com |
| 00:36.23 | mhall | karsten: which will involve cooperation with my roommate |
| 00:36.29 | pipeline | karsten: I think they only sell Linux on someone else's rebranded hardware, for extra bonus fun. |
| 00:36.30 | ruied | I've installed a new kernel, what if the system doesn´t boot, what do I need to do if it doesn't ? shall I make a boot disk? how? |
| 00:36.31 | mhall | karsten: ok |
| 00:36.31 | kelan | Flimzy: welcome:) |
| 00:36.46 | pipeline | karsten: Unisys is another one of the vendors that bought into the NT hype before it was released, in the early nineties. |
| 00:36.54 | pipeline | karsten: I think they're the only such vendor to have survived the 90s. |
| 00:36.54 | Lee__ | ruied: make a boot disk, please. |
| 00:36.58 | Guerin_ | ruied: boot your old kernel you didn't delete before verifying the new one worked. |
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| 00:37.04 | Gonzo_MMs | algum canal para brasileiros?? |
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| 00:37.11 | karsten | pipeline: Very much so. As I said, IMO they're fucked, dead man walking. |
| 00:37.11 | bbrazil | !br |
| 00:37.11 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:37.13 | pipeline | karsten: Integraph, DEC, and Data General all bit the big one. |
| 00:37.19 | mhall | pipeline: unisys is an abortion that lived |
| 00:37.22 | pipeline | karsten: Especially Integraph. |
| 00:37.23 | karsten | pipeline: Who got old Ahmdal? |
| 00:37.24 | pipeline | mhall: Well put |
| 00:37.37 | mhall | pipeline: very literally, in fact |
| 00:37.39 | karsten | pipeline: DEC bought NT? |
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| 00:37.44 | pipeline | karsten: I think Unisys is the product of three or four mergers after someone bought Ahmdal. |
| 00:37.52 | ruied | Lee__ how do I make a boot disk? can you help me? |
| 00:37.54 | karsten | pipeline: Dig. |
| 00:37.55 | mhall | pipeline: they probably only survive because they sold their product to USPS and they make money on GIF |
| 00:37.56 | pipeline | karsten: Uh, yes. DEC was the largest Windows NT vendor for years. |
| 00:38.01 | karsten | ruied: man lilo. man grub. |
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| 00:38.14 | pipeline | karsten: s/largest/only/ |
| 00:38.19 | ruied | man grub |
| 00:38.21 | Lee__ | ruied: if yr lazy download a Knoppix or LNX-BBC iso |
| 00:38.23 | ruied | sorry |
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| 00:38.31 | pipeline | karsten: The Alpha was made with NT in mind. Most Alpha hardware out there ran NT natively. Tru64 UNIX was never very popular :P |
| 00:38.35 | gibby | if i want to install debian over win xp, do I need to have a free partition in the first 1024 blocks? I know this used to be the case, but it's been a while ;) |
| 00:38.48 | karsten | pipeline: I remember vaguely seeing bits of that in the early 1990s, I was at a VAX/VMS shop then. Lots of "NT == ..." lables. "Not Trusted, etc..." |
| 00:38.50 | pipeline | gibby: It depends on your BIOS. Maybe, maybe not. |
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| 00:39.05 | ruied | I've installe grub, I don't know which one is working, I think I have lilo and grub.... confused |
| 00:39.08 | pipeline | gibby: I usually create a /boot partition of 50M or so anyway. |
| 00:39.11 | gibby | pipeline: any way of finding out (other than taking the plunge)? |
| 00:39.23 | pipeline | gibby: I would create a /boot partition and just not worry about it. |
| 00:39.25 | karsten | pipeline: Heh. That shop ditched Unix for VMS. Went VAX to Alpha. Finally went Unix with Tru64. Then got bought out this spring, finally. |
| 00:39.45 | abrotman | wtf is a .mht ? |
| 00:39.47 | karsten | ruied: Last on installed will be the one that works. They both overwrite the same MBR. |
| 00:39.53 | [bono] | Question: I have usb wireless adapter netgear ma111 device version 2... aaaand it doesnt work... Anyone of you has had experience with this device? |
| 00:39.57 | gibby | pipeline: I've already installed windows, though. I was wondering if I can get away with not repartitioning |
| 00:40.07 | karsten | gibby: dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 | od -c |
| 00:40.10 | pipeline | karsten: Sounds like they chose the worst possible time for a Tru64 migration :P |
| 00:40.24 | pipeline | karsten: I predict that VMS will outlive HP |
| 00:40.34 | ruied | how do I know if it is lilo or grub booting my system? |
| 00:40.40 | karsten | pipeline: I'll give even odds. |
| 00:40.40 | pipeline | gibby: Oh, probably. Most modern systems play nice. |
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| 00:40.41 | gibby | karsten: currently, windows is insalled |
| 00:40.43 | ruied | sorry... |
| 00:40.47 | ruied | tc bono |
| 00:40.49 | karsten | ruied: ...though mine says LILO and it's lying. |
| 00:40.58 | karsten | ruied: rerun the installer for the boot manager you want. |
| 00:41.05 | karsten | ruied: ...and remove the other boot manager. |
| 00:41.10 | Guerin_ | yay |
| 00:41.14 | karsten | pipeline: It was a pretty fscked firm. |
| 00:41.15 | Guerin_ | more joejobs |
| 00:41.16 | gibby | pipeline: what about installing linux on a separate disk? |
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| 00:41.37 | theocrite | Hi. |
| 00:41.39 | gibby | pipeline: will linux complain about not being on the primary master? |
| 00:41.40 | kongen | How do i upgrade my kernel? |
| 00:41.58 | shingouz | kongen: apt-get install kernel-image-foo |
| 00:42.13 | theocrite | I have a process (cp) running for some time. I tried to kill it, but the process is still here. Man ps told me that it is an "ininterruptible sleep (D)" usually due to IO. It's possible as I was copying from a ntfs partition one. Can I do something to kill this process whitout shuting down ? |
| 00:42.16 | nunez | I'm trying to mirror a whole subdir(http://dir.main.com/) which is only directory lists, yet when I run wget it just downloads(www.main.com/index.html) and stops? |
| 00:42.22 | pipeline | gibby: No. |
| 00:42.30 | gibby | pipe: great. thanks |
| 00:42.32 | dabreegster | theocrite: kill -9, your best friend. |
| 00:42.35 | bbrazil | theocrite: probably not |
| 00:42.42 | theocrite | I already try as root |
| 00:42.45 | theocrite | tried |
| 00:42.47 | bbrazil | theocrite: its stuck in the kernel |
| 00:42.52 | dabreegster | theocrite: ouch. |
| 00:42.54 | kongen | shingouz, : cand find package |
| 00:43.13 | shingouz | kongen: What package |
| 00:43.26 | kongen | kernel image-foo |
| 00:43.28 | doub | kongen: apt-cache search kernel-image will tell you the exact names |
| 00:43.36 | kongen | ok:) |
| 00:43.42 | dabreegster | kongen: you don't literally type foo... |
| 00:43.43 | dabreegster | !foo |
| 00:43.43 | dpkg | bar bir bor |
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| 00:44.02 | theocrite | Well I guess I will have to reboot (tomorow maybe :) ). But is there a way to prévent it ? :p |
| 00:45.05 | theocrite | I can't remember something wrong, I just did a cp (as root :s). |
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| 00:45.15 | Wigg | i have no programming experience but I am getting tired of trying to find people to program what I need... what is a good programming language for a beginner to start out with that would allow them to easily pick up other languages. i have about 1.5 months to dedicate to learning how to program. any recommendations? |
| 00:45.25 | dabreegster | Wigg: perl. |
| 00:45.29 | [TSP]Aradorn | depends |
| 00:45.34 | doub | Wigg: C |
| 00:45.42 | doub | Wigg: and perl |
| 00:45.42 | [TSP]Aradorn | id start with an OO languag |
| 00:45.43 | bob2 | Wigg: python is an excellent language to learn in, and to continue using |
| 00:45.44 | karsten | Wigg: Python / Ruby are decent learning/scripting languages. Depends on what you need. |
| 00:45.50 | dabreegster | Wigg: A lot of things that you need to do have already been done as modules, see search.cpan.org |
| 00:45.50 | [TSP]Aradorn | python is great |
| 00:45.50 | bob2 | C is a terrible language to start with |
| 00:45.52 | bob2 | as is perl |
| 00:45.52 | [TSP]Aradorn | java is nice |
| 00:46.01 | dabreegster | bob2: why? |
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| 00:46.06 | gravity | Go Ruby! |
| 00:46.06 | stouset | bob2: What's wrong with C? |
| 00:46.07 | dabreegster | bob2: regarding perl |
| 00:46.15 | gravity | Python and Ruby are your best bets |
| 00:46.18 | [TSP]Aradorn | yeah |
| 00:46.20 | Flimzy | Wigg: What kinds of programs are you gonna be writing? |
| 00:46.21 | doub | !start a language war |
| 00:46.21 | dpkg | Pascal is faster than Oberon |
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| 00:46.33 | [TSP]Aradorn | Ocaml > all |
| 00:46.42 | [TSP]Aradorn | although Ocaml is kinda tricky |
| 00:46.52 | bob2 | stouset: complicated and low-level |
| 00:46.53 | Wigg | Flimzy, big range... nothing specific |
| 00:46.54 | stouset | dabreegster: perl is probably not a good language to start off with. Not structured enough to give newcomers a good foundation in how to program |
| 00:47.02 | bob2 | dabreegster: I'd think it would teach bad habits |
| 00:47.04 | Flimzy | Wigg: Well then there's no single language to use. |
| 00:47.04 | bob2 | what stouset said |
| 00:47.12 | Flimzy | Wigg: Will these be command line tools? GUI? Web apps? |
| 00:47.15 | [TSP]Aradorn | Java is nice because it has a central API and tutorial system taht can teach you what you need to know |
| 00:47.16 | Blue_ | ps3 is here! |
| 00:47.16 | dabreegster | stouset: It's excellent. Not structured? It's great. |
| 00:47.23 | doub | stouset: you can have the bars if you want them |
| 00:47.29 | dabreegster | bob2: such as? forced non-encapsulation? |
| 00:47.29 | gravity | Java is bad because the Free toolsets kinda suck |
| 00:47.32 | Flimzy | Wigg: Will they be mostly run-occasionally scripts, or very CPU-intensive things? |
| 00:47.33 | doub | stouset: in perl, that is |
| 00:47.33 | Wigg | Flimzy, i'm looking to learn a language that would give me a good foundation |
| 00:47.37 | Flimzy | Wigg: Are you writing filie compression libraries? |
| 00:47.38 | ruied | where is the grub conf file? |
| 00:47.42 | [TSP]Aradorn | gravity hwo do they suck? |
| 00:47.43 | stouset | doub: bars? |
| 00:47.44 | Flimzy | Wigg: Video codecs? |
| 00:47.47 | [TSP]Aradorn | Eclipse? |
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| 00:47.54 | [TSP]Aradorn | Netbeans is awsome to |
| 00:47.55 | dabreegster | ruied: /boot |
| 00:47.56 | stouset | dabreegster: Perl is a great language. Not for a beginner. |
| 00:48.02 | Flimzy | Wigg: If you want a good _basic_ language, C, is your best bet. |
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| 00:48.10 | Wigg | Flimzy, thanks |
| 00:48.12 | Flimzy | Wigg: B/c almost everything is based on C, at some level. |
| 00:48.14 | Wigg | thanks everyone |
| 00:48.14 | dabreegster | stouset: It was my first real language. I don't consider PHP a language. |
| 00:48.16 | [TSP]Aradorn | C++ would be better then |
| 00:48.22 | doub | stouset: you said it wasn't structured. but it can be forced to operate this way, too |
| 00:48.28 | [TSP]Aradorn | since its more robust than C |
| 00:48.32 | Flimzy | Wigg: But if you're more a general user, C may not be very great for you. Perl may be better. Or PHP... or Python. Or bash. |
| 00:48.37 | stouset | dabreegster: I happen to like C because it doesn't abstract away difficult things. You get a feeling for what a "difficult" and a "simple" task is to the computer. And you can apply that to higher-level languages when making design decisions |
| 00:48.40 | abrotman | doub: forced .. beginners wouldn't know better |
| 00:48.40 | dabreegster | doub: use strict; |
| 00:48.40 | karsten | gravity: I'll flame you on the basis that that's only *part* of why Java sucks. |
| 00:48.58 | gravity | karsten: Fair enough |
| 00:49.03 | ruied | dabreegster: /boot/grub.conf? didn't see... |
| 00:49.05 | abrotman | gravity: eclipse is quite good IMO |
| 00:49.08 | [TSP]Aradorn | functional programing is better than any imperative language though |
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| 00:49.13 | stouset | doub: Ah, of course. Well, it can. But Perl isn't really geared towards that in the first place, IMHO. |
| 00:49.15 | [TSP]Aradorn | so if youw ant take up a language like Lisp or Scheme |
| 00:49.19 | Flimzy | Wigg: If you intend to do a lot of programming in the future, it will aide you to no end to know C (and probably C++). stouset's example is a good reason. |
| 00:49.25 | abrotman | i vote for Snobol :) |
| 00:49.28 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, eclipse is good, but all the jvm wars and classpath not being all the way there |
| 00:49.30 | dabreegster | ruied: no, it's in /boot. /boot/grub/menu.lst probably |
| 00:49.33 | gravity | That gets old fast |
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| 00:49.36 | bob2 | dabreegster: it's very very freeform |
| 00:49.38 | gravity | Maybe this harmoney shit will work out. Maybe not |
| 00:49.40 | doub | stouset: of course not. it's ment to be the glue. so it has to fit everywhere |
| 00:49.45 | dabreegster | bob2: which is perfect |
| 00:49.51 | bob2 | dabreegster: which isn't a bad thing, but it does make it harder for new people to pick up and learn well |
| 00:50.00 | bob2 | dabreegster: meh, I'd disagree |
| 00:50.04 | stouset | doub: What point is it to have glue when you don't yet own wood? :-) |
| 00:50.08 | abrotman | gravity: java-package + sun .bins ? |
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| 00:50.21 | gravity | abrotman: sun's stuff is not Free |
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| 00:50.27 | abrotman | gravity: nor is java :) |
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| 00:50.51 | Wigg | i appreciate everyone's input... thanks |
| 00:50.59 | gravity | abrotman: There are Free jvm's and gcj out there |
| 00:51.00 | bob2 | C is annoyign as a first language, since it takes so long to do anything useful |
| 00:51.03 | [TSP]Aradorn | gravity what isnt free from sun? |
| 00:51.06 | abrotman | gravity: and they suck .. horribly |
| 00:51.06 | bob2 | maybe other people pick it up faster than me |
| 00:51.12 | stouset | Wigg: I would recommend C++, personally |
| 00:51.13 | [TSP]Aradorn | C not having a central API really hurts it |
| 00:51.20 | Guerin_ | [TSP]Aradorn: practically everything |
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| 00:51.24 | abrotman | [TSP]Aradorn: free how .. beer or speech ? |
| 00:51.32 | stouset | Wigg: It's a little higher than C, but it comes with some significant time-savers with the STL. |
| 00:51.33 | gravity | [TSP]Aradorn: Free as in Freedom. Not money. |
| 00:51.36 | abrotman | [TSP]Aradorn: it has a standard damn it |
| 00:51.42 | stouset | Wigg: And allows you to program either procedural or object-oriented code. |
| 00:51.45 | Guerin_ | ah, joy |
| 00:51.47 | doub | stouset: you own it already: ~8710 packages in the lastest stable (mumble mumble) |
| 00:51.56 | Flimzy | stouset: I recommend learning C before C++. |
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| 00:52.03 | Flimzy | stouset: Since C++ is basically a superset of C |
| 00:52.09 | bob2 | well |
| 00:52.16 | bob2 | C++ code written by a C program is crap |
| 00:52.18 | pipeline | Flimzy: WTF NO NO NO NO NO |
| 00:52.25 | stouset | Flimzy: It can be argued either way. One downside of C++ before C is that it's harder to then pick out the C++ parts and figure out what C is limited to |
| 00:52.27 | bob2 | you need to realise it's a different language |
| 00:52.28 | Flimzy | stouset: And if you have any intention of ever modifying existing apps, a knowledge of C will be invaluable. |
| 00:52.29 | pipeline | Flimzy: C++ is NOT, I repeat, NOT a superset of C. |
| 00:52.33 | abrotman | Flimzy: "C++ makes it harder to shoot your foot off, but when you do, you take your whole damn leg" |
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| 00:52.40 | karsten | Where would I find info on why a package isn't updated to something more recent? |
| 00:52.41 | Flimzy | pipeline: Okay. You do that. I disagree :) |
| 00:52.51 | abrotman | Flimzy: he's right |
| 00:52.55 | stouset | abrotman: C gives you enough rope to hang yourself with. C++ gives you the tree object to tie it too. |
| 00:52.57 | stouset | to* |
| 00:52.59 | pipeline | Flimzy: Standards bodies, the language's creator, and public record disagree with you. |
| 00:53.02 | Flimzy | abrotman: I know he's right in a technical sense. |
| 00:53.02 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:53.10 | abrotman | Flimzy: isn't that what counts ? :) |
| 00:53.12 | bob2 | karsten: try "sudo apt-get install blah" and see why apt doesn't want to upgrade it |
| 00:53.15 | Flimzy | abrotman: But in a practical sense, C++ is a superset of C. |
| 00:53.16 | bob2 | stouset: hahaha |
| 00:53.16 | pipeline | Wigg: No beginner should ever be forced to use C or C++ as a first language. |
| 00:53.18 | phogg | Flimzy: *in theory* C++ is a superset. But really it's more of a coincidentally identical syntax for some things. You don't really program them the same way. |
| 00:53.19 | [TSP]Aradorn | hwo is C++ a superset of C? |
| 00:53.29 | pipeline | Flimzy: In a practical sense, that attitude will render you incompetent. |
| 00:53.38 | ruied | dabreegster: don't have any /boot/ grub file or directory! I've installed a new kernel in my router, I'm afraid to restart it because I don't have any keyboard or monitor in my router... |
| 00:53.43 | pipeline | [TSP]Aradorn: It's not. |
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| 00:53.44 | karsten | bob2: No. Why a maintainer doesn't have a more recent version. Specifically user-mode-linux. |
| 00:53.47 | abrotman | Flimzy: still wrong |
| 00:53.47 | [TSP]Aradorn | C++ is an OO language |
| 00:53.54 | bob2 | [TSP]Aradorn: most valid C programs can be compiled by a C++ compiler |
| 00:54.04 | bob2 | [TSP]Aradorn: yes, but you don't have to use any OO features in a C++ program |
| 00:54.07 | Flimzy | In any case, I think it makes sense to learn C first. If for no other reason than the fact that C is more widely used. |
| 00:54.09 | [TSP]Aradorn | right but that dosnt make it a superset |
| 00:54.13 | dabreegster | ruied: no /boot/grub? Sure grub is there? |
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| 00:54.23 | bob2 | karsten: oh, ok...check the bug reports, I guess, see if someone has filed a "omg there's a new version bug" and if the maintainer followed up to it |
| 00:54.25 | Flimzy | [TSP]Aradorn: It makes it a practical superset. |
| 00:54.29 | phogg | Flimzy: you should learn C first or you will never appreciate C++ |
| 00:54.29 | ruied | I've installe grub with apt-get |
| 00:54.40 | Flimzy | phogg: I will agree with that statement. |
| 00:54.50 | beat_poet | hi there |
| 00:54.59 | atrus | stouset: for reference, i've always preferred "c makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. c++ makes it harder, but when you do, you take off the entire leg." |
| 00:55.10 | stouset | atrus: abrotman just said that :-) |
| 00:55.12 | pipeline | phogg, Flimzy : If you ever learn to "appreciate" C++, you've clearly suffered brain injury. |
| 00:55.13 | phogg | I remember C++ after learning C... suddenly string foo; seemed like such incredible magic. |
| 00:55.17 | atrus | aww |
| 00:55.23 | stouset | phogg: It *is* magic :-) |
| 00:55.24 | [TSP]Aradorn | haha phogg |
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| 00:55.29 | stouset | atrus: Sorry ;) |
| 00:55.29 | abrotman | atrus: you know JEP ? |
| 00:55.31 | Flimzy | pipeline: I appreciate C++ for making me like C more :P |
| 00:55.31 | karsten | bob2: kths |
| 00:55.31 | bbrazil | [TSP]Aradorn: I a had C program using enums not compile as C++, until I did some namespace stuff to it |
| 00:55.36 | karsten | s/s/x |
| 00:55.48 | doub | phogg: i've been doing both and disagree on the second one |
| 00:55.56 | phogg | pipeline: No,programming in perl is what makes my brain injury clear. |
| 00:55.56 | atrus | abrotman: i know of it in one context. what context are you talking in? |
| 00:56.02 | [TSP]Aradorn | (((((L)i(s)P))))) is great... |
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| 00:56.09 | abrotman | atrus: the guy from comp.lang.c++.moderated |
| 00:56.13 | atrus | abrotman: no. |
| 00:56.19 | stouset | [TSP]Aradorn: Not enough parens |
| 00:56.21 | pipeline | [TSP]Aradorn: It is, and I'm not kidding. Lisp is wonderfully expressive, pretty doggone fast, and has real OO. |
| 00:56.25 | abrotman | atrus: he was my prof at Uni .. he's one of the moderators |
| 00:56.28 | bob2 | karsten: (sorry I don't have a more immediately useful answer) |
| 00:56.33 | pipeline | [TSP]Aradorn: Also, if you're using a reasonable text editor, the syntax is wonderful. |
| 00:56.33 | [TSP]Aradorn | pipeline yup |
| 00:56.47 | karsten | bob2: That's good enough. |
| 00:56.52 | phogg | doub: well after a while you start to run into areas where it's not so cool, but right at first I was momentarily stunned by the convenience. |
| 00:56.54 | karsten | bob2: We don't expect much of you ;-) |
| 00:56.55 | [TSP]Aradorn | Lisp has opened my eyes to functional programming which is SOOOOOOOOOO much better than imperative langauges |
| 00:57.01 | ruied | dabreegster: I' tried apt-get install grub again and the package manager says I already have the latest version... and there is no /boot/grub file or directory... |
| 00:57.02 | stouset | pipeline: lisp is a hell of a nice language. It's probably not a good starting language, though, since it shares so little in common with other modern languages. |
| 00:57.04 | bob2 | hah |
| 00:57.10 | bob2 | [TSP]Aradorn: hah, try haskell then |
| 00:57.10 | atrus | abrotman: hmm. i think it was Prof. Jim Hoover @ the U of Alberta that i heard it from first. |
| 00:57.10 | [TSP]Aradorn | why type line by line waht to do when I can just say, here you go this is what i want now you figure out the rest |
| 00:57.15 | abrotman | ruied: mkdir /boot/grub/ |
| 00:57.17 | stouset | pipeline: It's easier to learn, I think, once you've got several other languages under your belt. |
| 00:57.17 | [TSP]Aradorn | bob2 using Ocaml =) |
| 00:57.19 | bob2 | you don't get any of the imperative fallbacks lisp gives you |
| 00:57.23 | kingsley_ | Does debian have a utility which converts tar balls to .debs AND applies "./configure" and "make install" before installing the files? |
| 00:57.25 | abrotman | atrus: he used to say it all the time in class |
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| 00:57.28 | bob2 | [TSP]Aradorn: hah, isn't that still impure? |
| 00:57.29 | abrotman | kingsley_: alien |
| 00:57.31 | bob2 | kingsley_: no |
| 00:57.40 | abrotman | kingsley_: oh . not all of that :) |
| 00:57.43 | dabreegster | ruied: dunno. cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub.list and see if /boot/grub is there |
| 00:57.43 | [TSP]Aradorn | its an OO functional language with imperative features that can run on a VM and be compiled to native code |
| 00:57.43 | karsten | kingsley_: 'alien' gets you partway there. Otherwise, RTFNMG |
| 00:57.50 | Flimzy | kingsley_: Converting a tarball into a DEB is like converting a bicicle into an offroad jeep. |
| 00:57.51 | [TSP]Aradorn | it also interacts with C |
| 00:57.56 | Flimzy | kingsley_: It just doesn't make any sense. |
| 00:58.02 | dabreegster | ruied: nevermind, it's not listed there |
| 00:58.03 | Xenguy | kingsley_: checkinstall |
| 00:58.03 | abrotman | Flimzy: bicycle ? |
| 00:58.04 | [TSP]Aradorn | its very very robust |
| 00:58.05 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:58.06 | doub | karsten: checkinstall might be your friend |
| 00:58.11 | gravity | Xenguy: If you can wrap your head around it, it's great. It'll force some good habits on you |
| 00:58.15 | Flimzy | abrotman: yeah, sure. :P |
| 00:58.23 | ruied | abrotman: I've created the directory, now what shall I do? |
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| 00:58.35 | atrus | abrotman: well my guy, after somebody pointed out some blazingly obvious fact about pointers in a low-standards eureka moment said "Yes, that's what I've been saying all along, but like Cassandra no one listens. Maybe if I wore a diaphanous toga people might pay more attention." |
| 00:58.40 | abrotman | ruied: update-grub;grub-install /dev/<bootdrive> |
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| 00:58.47 | kingsley_ | Xenguy: Thanks. checkinstall looks promising. |
| 00:58.50 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 00:58.51 | atrus | the best profs are always quotable :) |
| 00:58.58 | Xenguy | kingsley_: yw |
| 00:59.02 | abrotman | atrus: heh |
| 00:59.18 | Xenguy | gravity: tx |
| 00:59.27 | [TSP]Aradorn | More good code has been written in languages denounced as "bad" than |
| 00:59.28 | [TSP]Aradorn | in languages proclaimed "wonderful" -much more." |
| 00:59.37 | [TSP]Aradorn | - B. Stroustrup (in The Design and Evolution of C++) |
| 00:59.48 | phogg | Xenguy: python makesa bad first language because the first language should be weak enough to really make you want to learn the second language. |
| 00:59.49 | [TSP]Aradorn | =) just for the C/C++ argument |
| 01:00.08 | gravity | Python or Ruby. Then see which one suits your fancy. |
| 01:00.10 | cafuego | [TSP]Aradorn: Which just goes tyo show most coders are retards. |
| 01:00.24 | Flimzy | EVERYONE SHOULD PROGRAM IN REXX! |
| 01:00.24 | abrotman | or lazy |
| 01:00.25 | gravity | Of course, it really comes down to what you want to hack on. If you're fascinated by the kernel, learn C. |
| 01:00.31 | abrotman | Flimzy: please don't joke |
| 01:00.33 | gravity | If you want to hack on KDE's core libs, C++ |
| 01:00.34 | Xenguy | phogg: that strikes me as a strange argument - I would expect instead that learning a good first language would encourage one to learn more languages :-) |
| 01:00.37 | [TSP]Aradorn | try writing code in whitespace |
| 01:00.38 | phogg | Flimzy: that's not even funny |
| 01:00.38 | jasoncohen | every time i restart KDE my icons move around and i see a box at the bottom of my screen whichi says my resolution changed even though it hasn't |
| 01:00.42 | Flimzy | abrotman: What's wrong with Rexx? |
| 01:00.44 | [TSP]Aradorn | that will make you appreciate text.. |
| 01:00.44 | abrotman | gravity: who would want to do that ? |
| 01:00.47 | Flimzy | :P |
| 01:00.59 | abrotman | Flimzy: i work for a company that used to do Rexx .. we've progressed to much worse languages :) |
| 01:01.05 | Flimzy | abrotman: hehe |
| 01:01.24 | phogg | Xenguy: I lik to recommend javascript. It can do stuff, it's easy to learn, forgiving, useful... but sooner or later you will want to do something outside of a web page. |
| 01:01.29 | gravity | abrotman: People do, amazingly |
| 01:01.32 | [TSP]Aradorn | god its going to take forever to download these DVD isos |
| 01:01.39 | Flimzy | phogg: and it's not even a programming language |
| 01:01.46 | abrotman | gravity: drain-bramaged .. obviously |
| 01:01.47 | gravity | s/on/with/ |
| 01:01.53 | [TSP]Aradorn | Flimzy yes it is |
| 01:02.03 | Xenguy | phogg: heh - I hate JS - sorry bout that ;-) |
| 01:02.16 | abrotman | phogg: you're joking right ? |
| 01:02.17 | phogg | Xenguy: that is, I hink, my whole point. |
| 01:02.17 | [TSP]Aradorn | it has control, repitition, and selection |
| 01:02.20 | Flimzy | [TSP]Aradorn: For very limited definitions of "programming" |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | forgiving ? |
| 01:02.32 | cafuego | javascript is bloody awful |
| 01:02.37 | Xenguy | phogg: I know, I'm a 'tough crowd' :-) |
| 01:02.38 | [TSP]Aradorn | what defines a programming langauge |
| 01:02.43 | [TSP]Aradorn | turing complete? |
| 01:03.03 | abrotman | [TSP]Aradorn: i keep asking that .. since my company does work partly in a language that has no for loops :) |
| 01:03.25 | ballessay | lol |
| 01:03.27 | cafuego | abrotman: As long as it has while loops that's still fine. |
| 01:03.31 | doub | abrotman: what a shame |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | cafuego: it doesn't |
| 01:03.33 | phogg | abrotman: not even slightly. Forgiving as in doesn't require ; terminating lines. |
| 01:03.39 | abrotman | cafuego: if and goto :) |
| 01:03.39 | [TSP]Aradorn | abrotman but if it has any type of repititon (recursion is the only type in Lisp) then its still a programming language |
| 01:03.39 | Flimzy | [TSP]Aradorn: My VCR has control, repititoin, and selection, too, but doesn't understand any user-inputable language. |
| 01:03.41 | cafuego | abrotman: rm -rf |
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| 01:03.48 | doub | abrotman: COBOL ? |
| 01:03.52 | abrotman | doub: i wish |
| 01:04.01 | abrotman | cobol makes sense |
| 01:04.08 | cafuego | BASIC? |
| 01:04.09 | abrotman | oh yeah .. and it's logic is done with RPN :) |
| 01:04.24 | MobyTurbo | [TSP]Aradorn: common lisp and scheme both have loops without recursion if you want. |
| 01:04.33 | abrotman | so .. RPN + (goto and if) .. horrible pile of crap |
| 01:04.44 | doub | abrotman: hmmm... "logic" ? definitely not COBOL |
| 01:04.44 | [TSP]Aradorn | MobyTurbo really? i havnt done much with them so wasnt sure if they implemented for and while loops |
| 01:04.50 | abrotman | phogg: i'd love to |
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| 01:05.03 | abrotman | doub: COBOL is a dream compared to this stuff |
| 01:05.14 | bob2 | haha, rpn with goto and if |
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| 01:05.18 | kbs | what package installs man pages for (e.g. tsearch/bsearch/memse etc?) |
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| 01:05.24 | [TSP]Aradorn | after seeing the power of functional languages i scoped out a few and settled on Ocaml which fits my style |
| 01:05.28 | foxiness | [TSP]Aradorn, hi what happen with u after resie your partiton ? |
| 01:05.32 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:05.32 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:05.32 | bob2 | kbs: manpages-dev have the posix manpages |
| 01:05.33 | stouset | abrotman: RPG? *shudder* |
| 01:05.34 | MobyTurbo | brb |
| 01:05.41 | kbs | bob2: ah, thanks much |
| 01:05.42 | stouset | !you |
| 01:05.42 | dpkg | stouset stouset stouset stouset stouset stouset stouset stouset stouset stouset stouset stouset stouset stouset |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | stouset: it's still better than cobol IMO |
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| 01:05.49 | [TSP]Aradorn | foxiness havnt did that yet, think im going opt for a USB 2.0 HDD setup |
| 01:05.52 | foxiness | sorry resize |
| 01:05.57 | stouset | abrotman: No experience. Can't compare. |
| 01:06.14 | abrotman | stouset: in cobol or rpg ? |
| 01:06.29 | foxiness | [TSP]Aradorn, good idea i think good luck |
| 01:06.41 | [TSP]Aradorn | foxiness thanks =) |
| 01:06.46 | xfce | i'm here |
| 01:06.59 | abrotman | xfce: and ? |
| 01:07.30 | Aradorn | man i can tell that programming language debates get really heated in here |
| 01:07.31 | ethichs | is there some fix for qt errors? some link i need maybee? |
| 01:07.35 | stouset | abrotman: RPG |
| 01:07.38 | phogg | xfce: I was going to kill myself, but you've made it all worthwhile again. |
| 01:07.58 | bob2 | ethichs: did you install libqt3-mt-dev and build-essential? |
| 01:08.06 | Flimzy | phogg: Not to dampen the mood, but I'm here, too. May as well continue with your plans :p |
| 01:08.11 | abrotman | stouset: it's an IBM mainframe language .. seriously whitespace sensitive |
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| 01:08.17 | madclicker | why am i getting this error "FAILURE: Tables not created " when running "dpkg-reconfigure phpbb2-conf-mysql" ? |
| 01:08.32 | doub | abrotman: isn't COBOL (esp. on AS/400) SQL and PL/SQL or the like's ancestor? |
| 01:08.38 | pipeline | doub: No. |
| 01:08.39 | xfce | phogg:why |
| 01:08.42 | abrotman | doub: not even close |
| 01:08.46 | stouset | abrotman: I know. |
| 01:08.56 | Flimzy | madclicker: Because it had problems creating the tables, I would guess. |
| 01:08.58 | jvw | madclicker: wrong mysql password? |
| 01:09.03 | stouset | abrotman: Ah, answered your question wrong. No experience with cobol. |
| 01:09.07 | pipeline | doub: AS/400 is a relatively recent thing, actually. COBOL isn't the dominant AS/400 language. |
| 01:09.11 | doub | abrotman: i mean COBOL is from the ground up a database language |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | doub: not really |
| 01:09.24 | pipeline | doub: SQL and PL/SQL are descended from various query languages for minicomputers in the 70s. |
| 01:09.30 | pipeline | doub: COBOL is and always has been a mainframe language |
| 01:09.31 | stouset | abrotman: RPG is the dominant AS/400 lang AFAIK |
| 01:09.37 | abrotman | doub: if anything .. i'd say it's perl without all the good stuff :) |
| 01:09.47 | abrotman | pipeline: runs on unix too |
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| 01:09.59 | doub | abrotman: i can't even compare cobol and perl |
| 01:10.01 | abrotman | stouset: i used it on an IBM box .. Uni class |
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| 01:10.09 | doub | abrotman: there's nthing in common |
| 01:10.24 | abrotman | doub: have you done cobol ? |
| 01:10.30 | jshriver | back |
| 01:10.31 | doub | abrotman: yes |
| 01:10.43 | abrotman | doub: you don't think so ? .. in the basic sense of perl ? |
| 01:10.46 | doub | abrotman: and perl too |
| 01:10.59 | abrotman | none of the fun modules of perl .. just perl |
| 01:11.19 | abrotman | all i did it in it was text processing and calculations etc |
| 01:11.19 | kingsley_ | Xenguy: I'm happy to report that checkinstall converted a .tgz file into a .deb. |
| 01:11.31 | Aradorn | "Language designers are not intellectuals. They're not as interested |
| 01:11.31 | Aradorn | in thinking as you might hope. They just want to get a language done and |
| 01:11.31 | Aradorn | start using it." |
| 01:11.34 | doub | abrotman: i fail to see in what it's similar |
| 01:11.35 | abrotman | doub: lots of functions :) |
| 01:11.49 | Flimzy | kingsley_: Exactly which .tgz did it convert to a .deb? |
| 01:12.00 | doub | abrotman: perl is just thousand possible ways for even the simplest problem |
| 01:12.08 | abrotman | doub: you think cobol can't do that ? :) |
| 01:12.19 | Aradorn | perl is good for text processing from what ive seen, but havnt really had a chance to sit down and learn it |
| 01:12.24 | pipeline | abrotman: Sure, there have been ports to various minis and micros, but COBOL is still running on mainframes, mostly. |
| 01:12.26 | Aradorn | think that will be the next language i tackle |
| 01:12.32 | abrotman | i wonder if cobol has an obfuscated coding contest :) |
| 01:12.35 | doub | abrotman: when cobol has one answer, and hard to remember as calls are structured to "look like english" |
| 01:12.38 | phogg | Aradorn: Perl is great! Avoid it like the plague. |
| 01:12.43 | abrotman | pipeline: oh .. running where it counts .. yes |
| 01:12.47 | Aradorn | lol |
| 01:12.51 | kingsley_ | Flimzy: Version 1.2.2 of clamassassin at http://drivel.com/clamassassin/ |
| 01:13.03 | abrotman | doub: the variable names are so much fun .. we had a guy name his after farm animals |
| 01:13.05 | Aradorn | ive avoided learning C and C++ |
| 01:13.06 | Flimzy | kingsley_: And what command did you run to build a .deb out of the tgz? |
| 01:13.06 | Aradorn | =\ |
| 01:13.07 | pipeline | Aradorn: The worst languages are the ones that weren't supposed to be languages at all. e.g. bourne, JCL |
| 01:13.12 | Aradorn | haha |
| 01:13.23 | Aradorn | there are sooooo many programming languages |
| 01:13.38 | bob2 | hah |
| 01:13.38 | Flimzy | Why can't we all just use BASIC again, and be happy?! |
| 01:13.49 | abrotman | doub: i guess my experience with perl is very similar to cobol .. mostly text processing and calculations |
| 01:13.50 | doub | !start a language war |
| 01:13.50 | dpkg | COBOL is faster than Haskell |
| 01:13.53 | bob2 | bourne isn't that bad |
| 01:13.55 | pipeline | Flimzy: VB isn't quite to beta status on Mono. |
| 01:14.01 | kingsley_ | Flimzy: tar -xzvf <tarfile> ; checkinstall -D --pkgname=clamassassin --pkgversion=1.2.2 |
| 01:14.02 | pipeline | bob2: Try using it for CGI programming. |
| 01:14.02 | stouset | Flimzy: We were happy with BASIC? |
| 01:14.05 | Flimzy | pipeline: No no... BASIC. |
| 01:14.12 | Aradorn | http://www2.latech.edu/~acm/HelloWorld.shtml |
| 01:14.12 | kingsley_ | Flimzy: and then answered the questions. |
| 01:14.13 | doub | "COBOL is faster than Haskell" |
| 01:14.14 | Flimzy | stouset: i was happy with BASIC (for a while) on my C-64 :P |
| 01:14.19 | doub | !troll dpkg |
| 01:14.26 | bob2 | pipeline: hahaha |
| 01:14.30 | Aradorn | theres a list of several languages with implementations of Hello world |
| 01:14.35 | phogg | Flimzy: go get gambas |
| 01:14.44 | abrotman | Aradorn: the 99 beers list is good too |
| 01:14.46 | pipeline | bob2: You really can, you know. |
| 01:14.49 | Aradorn | yeah |
| 01:14.55 | pipeline | Aradorn: Does it include the Malbolge hello world? |
| 01:15.00 | Flimzy | stouset: Of course it didn't take long for me to start learning 6502 assembly |
| 01:15.07 | jshriver | chealer: I'm back :) I tried "apt-get dist-upgrade" but it said 0 packages needed |
| 01:15.10 | Aradorn | pipeline yes |
| 01:15.18 | bob2 | pipeline: oh, I know...tridge apparently wrote a webserver and accompanying cgi scripts in sh for some NAS thing |
| 01:15.22 | phogg | pipeline: My local library for years had its website running off of files ending .sh. I can only assume it was relly bourne scripts. |
| 01:15.26 | Flimzy | phogg: what's gambas? |
| 01:15.28 | chealer | jshriver: do you have something in /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
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| 01:15.36 | phogg | Flimzy: google is your friend |
| 01:15.36 | mwilson | It's not like 6502 is hard to learn, you know. :) |
| 01:15.47 | Aradorn | sh extension? isnt that shell scripts? |
| 01:15.59 | pipeline | Aradorn: Yes, you can use sh with CGI. |
| 01:16.02 | abrotman | phogg: ksh! |
| 01:16.07 | Aradorn | ah k |
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| 01:16.16 | dvs | mwilson: yeah, it only has 3 registers. ;-) |
| 01:16.20 | jshriver | chealer: let me check |
| 01:16.23 | Flimzy | kingsley_: that looks evil |
| 01:16.23 | KongenBX | What can i do? i get this error "kernel panic VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(22,1) What can i do to fix it? please help. |
| 01:16.31 | phogg | Eventually they "upgraded" to Windows and now have .asp. Bastards. |
| 01:16.32 | jshriver | chealer: I dont have that file |
| 01:16.45 | pipeline | of course, even more disgusting things have been done with sh scripting |
| 01:16.47 | pipeline | e.g http://www.metacard.com/dtkshfc.html |
| 01:16.54 | pipeline | who doesn't love a good dt/ksh script at the end of a long day? |
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| 01:17.04 | jshriver | KongoenBX does the kernel have the appropriate FS driver compiled in? |
| 01:17.06 | madclicker | jvw: no passwords, i can log in without problems |
| 01:17.15 | jshriver | I had that error when I forgot to add ext3 support |
| 01:17.22 | Flimzy | kingsley_: I suppose that's _marginally_ better than using a raw make install |
| 01:17.26 | chealer | !tell jshriver about woody->sarge |
| 01:17.51 | jshriver | domo arigatu |
| 01:17.52 | KongenBX | jshriver: I dont know, i have apt-get install the newest kernel. that is the only thing i have done |
| 01:18.01 | jvw | madclicker: eh... you must have a mysql root password surely? |
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| 01:18.10 | kingsley_ | Flimzy: Yes, it's more maintainable. What would you think of filing an enhancement request against alien to include checkinstall's code and simplify the interface? |
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| 01:18.14 | Aradorn | should i be worried that the jigdo is showing tha tsome files dont exist on this mirror? |
| 01:18.57 | Flimzy | kingsley_: alien is also evil. |
| 01:19.03 | abrotman | no way! |
| 01:19.06 | madclicker | jvw: no |
| 01:19.07 | Flimzy | kingsley_: And if the functionality exists in checkinstall, why duplicate it? |
| 01:19.35 | kingsley_ | Flimzy: To unify and simplify the interface. |
| 01:19.36 | jvw | madclicker: well, then set one, because I'm not sure it works with such a weird config, mysql handles no-password weirdly |
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| 01:19.45 | jvw | madclicker: there's no excuse to *not* set a root password in mysql |
| 01:19.56 | Flimzy | kingsley_: But alien and checkinstall do entirely different things. |
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| 01:20.31 | ThomK | Evening all. |
| 01:20.36 | chealer | Aradorn: probably |
| 01:20.53 | Aradorn | hrm |
| 01:21.01 | Aradorn | guess we will find out soon enough =P |
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| 01:21.10 | Aradorn | wonder how long this is going to take lol |
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| 01:21.14 | ThomK | I just purchased a new hard drive and have installed it, and partitioned it, but can't figure out how to mount it. |
| 01:21.21 | ThomK | Is there a step I'm missing in there? |
| 01:21.30 | stouset | ThomK: What error are you getting? |
| 01:21.34 | dabreegster | ThomK: man fstab # for permanently adding it |
| 01:21.35 | Flimzy | Has anyone here experienced problems with spamasassin no longer flagging any spam after upgrading from woody to testing? |
| 01:21.39 | dvs | ThomK: format it? |
| 01:21.45 | Vladi | can somoeone please tell me what the script was to generate a new ssl certificate for courier-imap-ssl? |
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| 01:21.59 | bob2 | Flimzy: sa 2 -> 3 is a massive change |
| 01:22.00 | dabreegster | dvs: nah, a new drive wouldn't have much on it, now would it? |
| 01:22.06 | ThomK | dvs: How do I format it? man format gave me nothing! |
| 01:22.10 | bob2 | Flimzy: it will have invalidated all your bayesian stuff, for instance |
| 01:22.13 | KongenBX | jshriver: I dont know, i have apt-get install the newest kernel. that is the only thing i have done |
| 01:22.14 | KongenBX | What can i do? i get this error "kernel panic VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(22,1) What can i do to fix it? please help. |
| 01:22.22 | dvs | ThomK: mkfs.ext2 (or whatever file system) |
| 01:22.41 | Flimzy | bob2: Is there a possible migration path? Or is it better to essentially reinstall from scratch? |
| 01:22.45 | dvs | ThomK: mkfs.ext2 /dev/hdXX |
| 01:23.03 | g23 | Does Sarge run on an AS/400 |
| 01:23.03 | bob2 | Flimzy: it will migrate fine, except losing all your training |
| 01:23.10 | bob2 | g23: is that a ppc? |
| 01:23.11 | ruied | I've configured grub with 'grub-install' command, how do I know if it is pointig to /vmlinuz ??? |
| 01:23.26 | Flimzy | bob2: I haven't done any training of my own. |
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| 01:23.29 | jshriver | chealer: when dpkg talks about changing all non-local stable or woody in apt.conf does that mean every entry with those strings.. or just non-us |
| 01:23.33 | bob2 | Flimzy: ah |
| 01:23.34 | bob2 | Flimzy: hm |
| 01:23.37 | Flimzy | bob2: SA still runs... it's just that absoltely no spam is ever detected. |
| 01:23.50 | bob2 | Flimzy: well, I was kinda disappointed by it's spamcatching ability, too |
| 01:23.52 | jshriver | ./s/apt.conf/source.conf |
| 01:23.53 | bob2 | Flimzy: none at all, ever? |
| 01:23.55 | g23 | bob2: Not sure it is a surplus system from Dad's work |
| 01:24.14 | bob2 | g23: if it's a s390 or a ppc, then yes |
| 01:24.20 | chealer | jshriver: sources.list. in your case, every entry |
| 01:24.32 | Flimzy | bob2: I get two X-SpamTest-Info lines and one X-Spam-Checker-Version line added to headers. |
| 01:24.39 | Flimzy | bob2: in one sample e-mail. |
| 01:24.39 | ThomK | dvs: It says "/dev/hdb is an entire device, not just one partition, continue anyway?" |
| 01:24.45 | ThomK | Will that kill my partition? |
| 01:24.55 | stouset | ThomK: You can't mount a drive. Only partitions. |
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| 01:25.03 | Flimzy | bob2: others are similar, possibly with no X-SpamTest-Info lines. |
| 01:25.07 | dvs | ThomK: /dev/hdb isn't a partition, it's the whole drive. /dev/hdb1 is a partition |
| 01:25.07 | bob2 | stouset: well, you can |
| 01:25.10 | Flimzy | bob2: But absolutely nothing lands in my SPAM folder any more. |
| 01:25.16 | ThomK | dvs Ahhhh! |
| 01:25.22 | g23 | bob2: what application would a as/400 work best at |
| 01:25.47 | bob2 | I don't know how fast they are |
| 01:25.51 | dvs | ThomK: fdisk -l /dev/hda should show you your partitions. |
| 01:25.54 | stouset | bob2: well, yeah, but you don't want to ;) |
| 01:26.08 | Flimzy | Not even an X-Spam-Status line, as I used to have. |
| 01:26.16 | dvs | I mean /dev/hdb |
| 01:26.29 | bob2 | heh |
| 01:26.34 | bob2 | Flimzy: hrm, that is odd |
| 01:26.41 | bob2 | Flimzy: how is SA connected to your mail system? |
| 01:27.09 | Flimzy | bob2: It's run from .mailfilter by each user (who wants to use it) |
| 01:27.21 | bob2 | ah |
| 01:27.32 | bob2 | Flimzy: do your logs show SA scanning the mail? |
| 01:28.06 | Flimzy | bob2: Immediately after my dist-upgrade (~2 mos ago?), my logs showed lots of errors... which I resolved to be due to configs changing location. When I removed the old configs, the errors stopped. |
| 01:28.14 | Flimzy | bob2: At current, I don't see any logs about it scanning mail. |
| 01:28.30 | Flimzy | bob2: But all mail comes thru with a X-Spam-Checker-Version header added, so I know SA at least touches the mails. |
| 01:28.53 | Flimzy | bob2: I'll look into increasing (or creating) SA log verbosity |
| 01:29.46 | KongenBX | What can i do? i get this error "kernel panic VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(22,1) What can i do to fix it? please help. |
| 01:29.50 | bob2 | ah |
| 01:29.55 | bob2 | KongenBX: don't compile your own kernel |
| 01:30.20 | mwilson | KongenBX: Aren't you the same one that posted the whine to d-u? |
| 01:30.42 | stouset | KongenBX: Clearly, the module for your filesystem or hard disk controller isn't being loaded at boot |
| 01:31.04 | ThomK | dvs: Okay, mount needs a file system type in the command line. |
| 01:31.21 | dvs | ThomK: mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb1 /mnt |
| 01:31.34 | ThomK | I can't mount it as / right? |
| 01:31.38 | ThomK | To combine the space... |
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| 01:31.51 | bob2 | ThomK: no, unfortunately |
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| 01:32.14 | bob2 | ThomK: but, you could move everything from /usr onto the new disk, and then mount it on /usr |
| 01:32.15 | Flimzy | Perhaps I should create a new spamassassin sandbox, and build a new config from scratch |
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| 01:32.17 | bob2 | freeing up space on / |
| 01:32.19 | ElvenForest | hi |
| 01:32.35 | ElvenForest | ok i have a dedicated server, how do install debian and remove redhat with a shell? |
| 01:32.37 | ElvenForest | is it posible? |
| 01:32.45 | bob2 | ElvenForest: google for debtakeover |
| 01:32.48 | bob2 | but it's pretty hacky |
| 01:32.54 | Flimzy | ElvenForest: Generally, you ask your hosting provider to install Debian for you. |
| 01:32.57 | Guerin_ | ElvenForest: look at debootstrap also |
| 01:33.08 | Flimzy | ElvenForest: But it's (at least theoretically) possible to do it from a shell. But it's probably rather risky. |
| 01:33.08 | jshriver | chealer: after upgrading to sarge, can I use the apt-tools just as in woody? or do I have to use the aptitude program instead of apt-cache/apt-get? |
| 01:33.09 | seldon | If you have a spare partition, it may be easier to debootstrap to that one |
| 01:33.12 | Aradorn | heh you ask 1 question and get 3 different answers lol |
| 01:33.16 | Aradorn | is that good or bad/ |
| 01:33.17 | jshriver | chealer: btw thanks very much for all of your help ^_^ |
| 01:33.19 | Guerin_ | i've heard mixed reports about debtakeover |
| 01:33.22 | chealer | jshriver: use either |
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| 01:33.29 | Flimzy | Aradorn: If this were #perl, he'd have 15 different answers :P |
| 01:33.32 | Guerin_ | Aradorn: options are good |
| 01:33.34 | Aradorn | hahahah |
| 01:33.35 | chealer | dpkg: thanks |
| 01:33.35 | dpkg | my pleasure, chealer |
| 01:33.44 | ElvenForest | ahh |
| 01:33.46 | ElvenForest | ahh |
| 01:33.48 | ElvenForest | no easy way |
| 01:33.50 | ElvenForest | dam :( |
| 01:33.51 | Aradorn | Guerin i guess, but if you're a noob like me then options are confusing =p |
| 01:34.04 | kingsley_ | Which command creates a maildir directory with cur, new and tmp? |
| 01:34.09 | Guerin_ | Aradorn: look at them as an opportunity to denoobify |
| 01:34.10 | chealer | jshriver: dpkg's pleasure |
| 01:34.12 | seldon | Well, debtakeover is easy, _if_ it works. |
| 01:34.19 | seldon | Rather risky, though. |
| 01:34.20 | Guerin_ | kingsley_: maildirmake? |
| 01:34.20 | Aradorn | haha |
| 01:34.35 | Guerin_ | i wouldn't dream of running debtakeover on a remote system |
| 01:34.46 | ThomK | bob2: When you say /usr, is that where most of the applications are stored? |
| 01:34.51 | bob2 | kingsley_: mkdir -p foo/{cur,new,tmp} |
| 01:34.53 | bob2 | ThomK: yes |
| 01:34.58 | Guerin_ | otoh, I KNOW it's possible to do a chroot install. |
| 01:35.03 | bob2 | ThomK: it is most likely the vast majority of your / space |
| 01:35.37 | ElvenForest | cansomeone help me with this debtakeover? |
| 01:35.59 | Flimzy | ElvenForest: I'd be happy to. I charge $75/hour. |
| 01:35.59 | ThomK | Well what I want to do is set this system up as a ftp server. So what I need to do is redirect the user accounts to /mnt. |
| 01:36.06 | ThomK | So they can upload/download from there. |
| 01:36.09 | ruied | I can't configure grub, I've tried to set up at the grub's command line: kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 but it reports an error... |
| 01:36.16 | ElvenForest | Flimzy im sorry |
| 01:36.16 | Guerin_ | ElvenForest: there's actually a detailed howto about migrating a colo box from suse to debian which might be of use |
| 01:36.20 | Guerin_ | very detailed |
| 01:36.21 | ElvenForest | i wold loveto pay you |
| 01:36.23 | ruied | what shall I do? |
| 01:36.24 | abrotman | update-grub |
| 01:36.27 | dvs | ThomK: so you want /home to be the new hard drive? |
| 01:36.39 | ElvenForest | ecept im poor |
| 01:36.47 | kingsley_ | bob2: Would it be a problem if hcache.db isn't created in the maildir? |
| 01:36.55 | phogg | ElvenForest: very sad. I guess you'll just have to learn. |
| 01:36.56 | ThomK | dvs: I guess so, yeah. |
| 01:36.59 | bob2 | kingsley_: mutt creates that on the fly |
| 01:37.04 | ElvenForest | i guess |
| 01:37.05 | ElvenForest | but wait |
| 01:37.09 | ElvenForest | who said i wont learn.. |
| 01:37.09 | bob2 | kingsley_: (it's fine for it to not be there) |
| 01:37.15 | ElvenForest | i just dont know quite wheare to learn |
| 01:37.16 | ElvenForest | start |
| 01:37.17 | ruied | tx |
| 01:37.19 | dvs | ThomK: Then copy everything from /home into /mnt |
| 01:37.22 | Thaiger | Does anyone know of a program that will export calanders in iCal or vCal format other than Korganizer? |
| 01:37.29 | ElvenForest | and i dont have a second chance to mess up |
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| 01:37.36 | MobyTurbo | !tell ElvenForest -about enter |
| 01:37.43 | Shane^ | Thaiger: pen and paper? |
| 01:37.47 | ThomK | dvs: Then when users log in, they'll get dumped into there? |
| 01:37.53 | ThomK | Isn't there any other configuration? |
| 01:38.01 | kingsley_ | bob2: I'll try it. |
| 01:38.15 | dvs | ThomK: You'll have to edit your /etc/fstab and add an entry for your new /home partition |
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| 01:39.36 | mwilson | Thaiger: Evolution? Sunbird? Firefox/Thunderbird (with appropriate plugin)? |
| 01:39.40 | stouset | Is there a way to query the BTS from the command line? |
| 01:39.47 | mwilson | Thaiger: iCal itself? |
| 01:39.49 | astronut | apache question... If I want to require a password to access a specific CGI script, i'd use <location> correct? would this tag go inside the <directory> for CGI or elsewhere? |
| 01:40.01 | Flimzy | Anyone want some X-Terminals for the price of shipping? |
| 01:40.13 | Guerin_ | astronut: outside the Directory directive, IIRC |
| 01:40.28 | Guerin_ | I don't think you can nest a Location within a Directory |
| 01:40.28 | astronut | Guerin_: thanks |
| 01:40.31 | astronut | and the syntax would be? |
| 01:40.38 | mwilson | Flimzy: Are they *good* X-Terminals? |
| 01:40.39 | Guerin_ | i don't know |
| 01:40.40 | benjamindees | Flimzy, possibly, what kind? |
| 01:40.46 | astronut | mwilson: aterm |
| 01:40.54 | webman | is there some way to verify the installed binary matches the debian pkg installed version? eg, with redhat you could rpm -V or something to check size + date/time stamp + MD5 of ALL binaries installed on the system ?? |
| 01:40.57 | Guerin_ | read the excellent and comprehensive doc at httpd.apache.org |
| 01:41.14 | KongenBX | What can i do? i get this error "kernel panic VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(22,1) What can i do to fix it? please help. |
| 01:41.16 | Guerin_ | webman: debsums |
| 01:41.19 | KongenBX | What must i do= |
| 01:41.32 | Flimzy | mwilson: not particularly |
| 01:41.33 | Guerin_ | !debian kernel image |
| 01:41.33 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 01:41.41 | mwilson | KongenBX: Actually answer questions about it when people try to help you? |
| 01:41.48 | Guerin_ | KongenBX: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-2-386 |
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| 01:42.00 | KongenBX | okey! tnx |
| 01:42.03 | webman | dpkg: except debian kernels allow modules, which allow rootkits to hide themselves... |
| 01:42.12 | Flimzy | benjamindees: HP 700-RX. Something like 1mb vid RAM. Accepts up to 8mb 72-pin RAM (has 1 or 2mb on right now). Standard PS/2, VGA connectors. 10mbit ethernet |
| 01:42.30 | mwilson | Ugh, 700RX. |
| 01:42.35 | mwilson | Big, heavy, slow. |
| 01:42.39 | bob2 | KongenBX: we already told you, don't build your own kernel |
| 01:42.40 | Flimzy | mwilson: aye |
| 01:42.53 | Flimzy | mwilson: I'm keeping the Entria (same logical configuration, smaller package) |
| 01:43.15 | benjamindees | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.27 | _me_ | i ran across this page awhile ago made me laugh > http://www.acmeshells.com/botnet.html |
| 01:43.36 | benjamindees | ooh, a 186 :) |
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| 01:44.27 | astronut | Guerin_: location takes the web path, not file path right? |
| 01:44.28 | messed_up_cdrom | hi |
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| 01:44.39 | astronut | i am using the apache docs, wasn't sure though |
| 01:44.43 | ThomK | dvs: In the /etc/fstab file, what should I use for the <mount point> parameter ? |
| 01:45.21 | Flimzy | ThomK: Where do you want the filesystem to be mounted? |
| 01:45.30 | stouset | Is there any reason a bug I submitted to the BTS wouldn't show up? |
| 01:45.39 | stouset | I've checked the package for both active and archived bugs. |
| 01:45.45 | Flimzy | stouset: how recently did you submit it? |
| 01:45.46 | ThomK | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.47 | dvs | ThomK: /home |
| 01:45.48 | stouset | this was submitted ~ 6 days ago |
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| 01:46.09 | Flimzy | stouset: IIRC, generally the mantainer has a chance to review it before it shows up in the BTS... to ensure it's not a duplicate, etc |
| 01:46.15 | dvs | ThomK: And it's /dev/hdb1 |
| 01:46.16 | rr72 | what is the runlevel editor for debian called? |
| 01:46.24 | rr72 | how do i call it up? |
| 01:46.27 | Flimzy | stouset: You should get an email when it's been accepted into the BTS. |
| 01:46.42 | dvs | ThomK: Or whatever "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" prints |
| 01:47.10 | rr72 | anyone know the text based run level editor for debian? |
| 01:47.20 | ThomK | oh hdb1 |
| 01:47.25 | messed_up_cdrom | hi i am running sarge and sid on different machines. i have a problem that every time i reboot the mount point /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1 need to be created again by mkdir. i can make a script to do this, but it seems stupid. what is overwriting or erasing my /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1. i used the debian installer rc2 and also i have /dev/hdd and /dev/hdc pointing to these two mount points in /etc/fstab. i have u |
| 01:47.25 | messed_up_cdrom | have the latest 2.6.11 kernel |
| 01:47.28 | benjamindees | rr72, ln and rm |
| 01:47.32 | Flimzy | rr72: I know of no such beast. |
| 01:47.42 | stouset | Flimzy: Thanks. |
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| 01:47.54 | rr72 | ive tried rm -fr / and it doesnt work |
| 01:48.07 | Flimzy | rr72: Why would you do that? |
| 01:48.14 | rr72 | <benjamindees> rr72, ln and rm |
| 01:48.25 | Flimzy | rr72: That would certianly modify your runlevel... in some way. |
| 01:48.26 | jasoncohen | after installing KDE 3.4 it's taking a really long time to resolve new hosts. Attempting to connect to a site takes 30-45 seconds and other computers on my network are fine |
| 01:48.32 | jasoncohen | any idea what could be causing this? |
| 01:48.35 | dabreegster | rr72: rm -rf / is rather..... dangerous. |
| 01:48.40 | rr72 | i nkow |
| 01:48.47 | rr72 | <benjamindees> rr72, ln and rm |
| 01:48.59 | benjamindees | rr72, ? |
| 01:49.08 | benjamindees | rr72, do you need me to hold your hand or what? |
| 01:49.15 | chealer | jasoncohen: what's the link with KDE 3.4? |
| 01:49.21 | dabreegster | rr72: just learn how to use /etc/init.d/ and /etc/rcX.d |
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| 01:49.35 | KongenBX | Guerin_: Done. |
| 01:49.40 | rr72 | i need to stop identd but i don't see it running |
| 01:49.55 | stouset | Woot. RC bug count in Sarge is 64 and dropping. |
| 01:49.56 | Flimzy | rr72: What makes you think it is running, then? |
| 01:50.09 | rr72 | my bot doesnt have a ~ |
| 01:50.16 | dvs | stouset: you lie! ;-) |
| 01:50.20 | chealer | !tell rr72 about rcconf |
| 01:50.20 | rr72 | i want a certain nicl |
| 01:50.22 | pipeline | stouset: do you have the link to the bugs page? |
| 01:50.24 | ThomK | dvs: in the fstab file, the first entry is 'proc' is that the processor? |
| 01:50.31 | KongenBX | what should i do when i have apt-get my new kernel? |
| 01:50.43 | chealer | KongenBX: boot it |
| 01:50.47 | seldon | run update-grub, then reboot |
| 01:50.52 | KongenBX | chealer? how? |
| 01:50.52 | pipeline | ThomK: The /proc filesystem is the "process" filesystem. It lists the running processes as files. |
| 01:50.59 | dvs | ThomK: Not exactly. It's some configuration info about your system. |
| 01:50.59 | seldon | unless the kernel package has already run update-grub |
| 01:50.59 | KongenBX | i use lilo |
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| 01:51.14 | Aradorn | you guys know of any good debian/linux books or tutorials that I could read to help denoobify myself =P |
| 01:51.23 | seldon | Gah. Then rerun lilo, after possibly tweaking the config to your needs |
| 01:51.29 | chealer | KongenBX: # reboot |
| 01:51.33 | seldon | then reboot |
| 01:51.35 | benjamindees | Flimzy, oops wrong model, actually those don't look too bad, how many do you have? |
| 01:51.36 | webman | hmmm, my server has been hacked, new sshd installed, and games user has a password. Is there some method for determining the method of entry? machine is apt-get upgrade daily, runs sshd apache-perl + djb DNS + qmail open to the internet |
| 01:51.38 | Flimzy | Aradorn: I recommend personal experience. |
| 01:51.43 | messed_up_cdrom | get new debian bible when it come out aradorn |
| 01:51.43 | dabreegster | Aradorn: tldp.org has loads of cool HOWTOs |
| 01:51.49 | rr72 | any help for me? |
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| 01:52.00 | Flimzy | benjamindees: oops wrong model? eh? |
| 01:52.00 | Aradorn | debian bible? |
| 01:52.02 | KongenBX | seldon:, when i reeboot i get this error "kernel panic VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(22,1) |
| 01:52.04 | messed_up_cdrom | last edition was great, new one shouldbe too |
| 01:52.05 | wwallace | why would some xmame roms play in windowze and not in linux? |
| 01:52.06 | rr72 | idnet isnt running but results are visiblwe |
| 01:52.17 | stouset | pipeline: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 01:52.22 | seldon | even when you boot the kernel you just installed? |
| 01:52.25 | webman | BTW, I found it was hacked within 45 minutes of them installing new ssh |
| 01:52.27 | Flimzy | Aradorn: My best friend helped write the debian bible. But I believe it's anciently outdated. And if it's not, it will be in a couple weeks. |
| 01:52.32 | seldon | Did you set the initrd in /etc/lilo.conf? |
| 01:52.33 | chealer | stouset: 49 less RC bugs in the 2 next days and sarge will be on schedule ;) |
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| 01:52.40 | Flimzy | Aradorn: print books about Linux in general are a very bad concept, IMHO. |
| 01:52.41 | Aradorn | doh that sucks |
| 01:52.47 | Aradorn | yeah |
| 01:52.51 | KongenBX | seldon, i dont think sow. How do i initrd in the etc/lilo.conf? |
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| 01:53.02 | bob2 | webman: could have exploited a cgi script |
| 01:53.03 | benjamindees | Flimzy, I was wrong about them having a 186 |
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| 01:53.06 | bob2 | webman: that would be my bet |
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| 01:53.07 | Flimzy | Aradorn: Online sources are much better (and they're even outdated often) |
| 01:53.14 | chealer | pipeline: AFAIK there's no sarge RC bugs page, only a count |
| 01:53.16 | ThomK | dvs, okay. So I have that fstab (I'm assuming fstab is filsystem table) file modifed to mount /home from /dev/hdb1. How do I activate that file? |
| 01:53.25 | Flimzy | benjamindees: Oh... no. It's an intel chip, tho. Someday might even run ucLinux... hehe |
| 01:53.26 | seldon | initrd=/boot/initrd-foo.bar.baz.img, I think. It's been a while since I used lilo, though, so you may want to check the manpage. |
| 01:53.32 | rr72 | i get li on boot |
| 01:53.36 | pipeline | chealer: stouset sent me the link I was thinking of anyway. |
| 01:53.38 | webman | bob2: only running rt from debian, no cgi scripts other than that |
| 01:53.41 | Flimzy | benjamindees: has the same CPU the ucLinux project is written for, IIRC. Not sure that the rest of the hardware is (currently) compatible, tho. |
| 01:53.44 | dvs | ThomK: Did you copy the contents from the old /home to /mnt? |
| 01:53.56 | ThomK | Yes. |
| 01:53.56 | Flimzy | benjamindees: I have 4 of the terms available. |
| 01:54.00 | rr72 | only way to get in is a rescue disk |
| 01:54.01 | bob2 | webman: hm, maybe they guessed a password or something |
| 01:54.10 | KongenBX | seldon;: Where do i write initrd=/boot/initrd-foo.bar.baz.img ? |
| 01:54.20 | Flimzy | benjamindees: they are heavy, tho... as mwilson pointed out. would take a bit to ship 'em. But if you want them, they're yours. If nobody wants them, they'll go in the trash. |
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| 01:54.21 | bob2 | webman: or maybe a local user exploited the games user (lots of stuff is setgid games) |
| 01:54.23 | stouset | chealer: hahaha |
| 01:54.26 | dvs | ThomK: The easiest way would be to umount /mnt then "mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb1 /home" |
| 01:54.26 | webman | only 3 users defined (root + 2 other) and all have good passwords |
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| 01:54.38 | ThomK | dvs: Thanks for taking the time to help me tonight, this channel is really friendly. |
| 01:54.44 | wwallace | ThomK: mount -at ext3 |
| 01:54.45 | webman | bob2: only local users is me and one other admin ... |
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| 01:54.54 | chealer | stouset: don't worry, I was also optimistic checking the drop anyway :) |
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| 01:54.57 | wwallace | really friendly |
| 01:54.58 | wwallace | ? |
| 01:55.03 | Aradorn | my friend uses a MD5 checksum of his old password for his new ones =p |
| 01:55.04 | benjamindees | Flimzy, hmm well I guess if they're heavy then they aren't worth messing with; thanks anyways! |
| 01:55.05 | jasz | !tell me about ext2->ext3 |
| 01:55.06 | dabreegster | friendly? what? |
| 01:55.06 | wwallace | everyone must be drunk |
| 01:55.15 | seldon | In the section that defines the menu entry for the kernel you just installed, in /etc/lilo.conf |
| 01:55.23 | KongenBX | seldon;: Where do i write initrd=/boot/initrd-foo.bar.baz.img ? |
| 01:55.25 | ThomK | wwallace: ITs a lot friendlier than programming channels, thats for sure. |
| 01:55.29 | KongenBX | okey : ) |
| 01:55.33 | ThomK | c# is brutal |
| 01:55.36 | wwallace | i dont know those yet |
| 01:55.40 | webman | bob2: I'm not a newbie, I've been doing linux systems for many years.... and I am not new to looking at hacked systems either ... |
| 01:55.42 | dvs | ThomK: no problem |
| 01:55.46 | seldon | You'll have to replace the foo.bar.baz by the appropriate version number, too |
| 01:55.53 | Flimzy | webman: Unless you've intentionally removed all the other users (which would be a Very Bad Idea(tm)), you can have an incredibly high level of confidence that you have many more than 3 users on your system. |
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| 01:56.06 | KongenBX | seldon okey, tnx |
| 01:56.11 | Flimzy | webman: Many of them won't have login shells, as they're system users (like audio, cdrom, games, etc), but they're still there. |
| 01:56.13 | webman | bob2: normally they are really old with no updates, and there are many open holes... |
| 01:56.14 | dvs | ThomK: What do you expect from MS people? ;-) They're overworked! |
| 01:56.26 | ThomK | dvs: Yeah, we are. |
| 01:56.35 | bob2 | webman: oh, didn't mean to imply you were, just throwing out guesses based on what i've seen |
| 01:56.36 | seldon | Just look at the files in /boot, the one you need should be obvious. |
| 01:56.40 | webman | Flimzy: I mean users whose accounts are not locked in /etc/shadow |
| 01:56.48 | Flimzy | webman: okay |
| 01:56.48 | dabreegster | Unrelated question, but how does md5 work? It can turn a huge file into a very short string. Md5 could be the best compression ever, though it's designed to be irreversible. |
| 01:57.07 | dvs | dabreegster: it's not a compression, it's a checksum |
| 01:57.07 | Flimzy | webman: Well just b/c an account is "locked" in /etc/shadow doesn't mean it's not possible to exploit it |
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| 01:57.18 | pipeline | dabreegster: It's a hash function, not a compressor. It throws away tons of data |
| 01:57.25 | webman | bob2: yeah, I know, this one just has me confused/scared, since if I put the machine back online, then it may just happen again etc... |
| 01:57.28 | benjamindees | dabreegster, it adds the bits together; it's not reversible |
| 01:57.33 | Flimzy | webman: that just means it's impossible to "log into" it via typical login means. |
| 01:57.56 | dabreegster | pipeline and dvs and benjamindees: oh, well, cool thought anyway |
| 01:57.59 | chealer | dabreegster: you'd better ask Wikipedia |
| 01:57.59 | ThomK | dvs: Okay, you are saying to unmount /mnt, and with everything copied to that drive, remount /home there. |
| 01:58.02 | webman | Flimzy: well, they would need to exploit *something* to be able to login, after that, they could have exploited a kernel bug to get root ... |
| 01:58.15 | ThomK | so unmounting obviously doesn't delete any data. |
| 01:58.21 | Flimzy | webman: Or they could have exploited a bug that doesn't require a login shell. |
| 01:58.22 | dabreegster | chealer: My real-life Hitchhiker's Guide |
| 01:58.43 | dvs | ThomK: yeah, umount doesn't lose data. Just remount it under /home |
| 01:58.52 | Flimzy | ThomK: "mounting" is similar to assigning a drive letter in Windows. |
| 01:59.09 | ThomK | Oh okay |
| 01:59.12 | webman | Flimzy: correct... but as I said, the only services open to the internet are sshd, apache-perl djb's DNS and qmail, so I figure the exploit must be in one of those |
| 01:59.17 | Flimzy | ThomK: If you unassign D: to your hard drive, the hard drive still exists and has all it's data. You can then later reassign it to, say, Q:. And then all the data will be on Q: |
| 01:59.49 | Flimzy | webman: What exactly happened to make you think you were comprimised? |
| 01:59.50 | ThomK | How does fstab fit into that analogy? |
| 01:59.51 | webman | and since the machine is uptodate, then the exploit is still in debian testing, (unless it is in qmail/DNS which are not from debian packages) |
| 01:59.53 | dvs | ThomK: It's like assigning network drives, kinda |
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| 02:00.23 | ThomK | dvs: Yeah, that makes sense to me. |
| 02:00.29 | Flimzy | ThomK: fstab just tells Linux where each drive should be mounted (assigned) each time it boots up. |
| 02:00.30 | stouset | webman: How do you know it was an exploit, and not a guessed password or something of the sort? |
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| 02:00.38 | webman | Flimzy: /var/log/messages was truncated, /var/log/wtmp was truncated, ssh host key was replaced, and ssh was installed into /usr/local |
| 02:00.58 | Flimzy | ThomK: The same function is handled by the Windows registry in Windows. there's not a direct correlation to anything in Windows, really. |
| 02:01.02 | ThomK | Flimzy: Okay thats what I thought, thanks. |
| 02:01.14 | webman | stouset: because there are only 3 users with passwords on the machine, and all are decent passwords. Could have brute forced it, but it is unlikely ... |
| 02:01.23 | Flimzy | webman: Yeah, that sounds like someone got ya :P |
| 02:01.29 | ThomK | Well actually, windows will remap your network drives on boot up, and that configuration is in the registry.. |
| 02:01.35 | Flimzy | webman: Are you sure somebody didn't learn your password somehow? |
| 02:01.41 | webman | Flimzy: they even were nice enough to install the man pages to /usr/local |
| 02:01.50 | Flimzy | ThomK: it "remaps" local drives on bootup, too. |
| 02:01.56 | Flimzy | ThomK: It just does that without telling you about it. |
| 02:02.00 | webman | Flimzy: I don't hand out my password :) that is worse than giving your pin number out |
| 02:02.31 | stouset | webman: When it comes down to it, are you *sure* nobody got the password somehow? Sniffed an unencrypted line, brute forced it, etc.? |
| 02:02.32 | witless | i have several servers at work and all their logs were filled with brute-force attempts recently |
| 02:02.37 | Flimzy | webman: At this point, the best I would know to do is update w/ s.d.o if appropriate, and set up remote logging to another machine on your LAN, so if it happens again, you have evidence. |
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| 02:02.55 | chealer | should there be a device for a USB digital camera...and how to know the name? |
| 02:03.21 | Flimzy | chealer: Most digi cams mount as a standard USB hard drive. |
| 02:03.26 | Flimzy | chealer: thus they'll be /dev/sdXX |
| 02:03.35 | webman | stouset: I always use ssh, the password is never sent un-encrypted, but yes, brute force with dictionary + numeric would have got it eventually |
| 02:03.42 | webman | Flimzy: what is s.d.o ?? |
| 02:03.48 | Flimzy | webman: security.debian.org |
| 02:04.10 | madclicker | how do i password apache2 websites on sarge? |
| 02:04.21 | Flimzy | madclicker: the apache docs tell you. |
| 02:04.28 | webman | Flimzy: I do that *daily*, my monitoring system alerts me if there are any packages needing update, and I manually login and do that EVERY day it is needed |
| 02:04.39 | stouset | webman: How old were the passwords? |
| 02:04.53 | Flimzy | webman: Well, from what you've said, I would guess the pw was brute-forced. |
| 02:04.53 | leo | Finally, right now testing is Sarge or Etch ? |
| 02:04.55 | chealer | Flimzy: thanks. I don't see such a device. I have a Canon PowerShot plugged by USB, turned on, "read" mode. it is shown by dmesg/lsusb |
| 02:05.04 | chealer | I am using hotplug and udev |
| 02:05.20 | chealer | !sarge |
| 02:05.20 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
| 02:05.26 | Flimzy | chealer: check dmesg. it will likely tell you what device it's using |
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| 02:05.45 | chealer | Flimzy: I only see "usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 4" |
| 02:05.52 | webman | stouset: well, pretty old .... but they are 'decent' passwords.... and never disclosed anywhere |
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| 02:06.05 | leo | chealer: debian reference says testing is Etch! |
| 02:06.05 | Flimzy | chealer: then the necessary kernel module(s) likely aren't loaded. |
| 02:06.15 | chealer | leo: really? |
| 02:06.23 | leo | chealer: yes |
| 02:06.25 | benjamindees | webman, what kernel were you using? |
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| 02:06.37 | chealer | leo: that's surprising |
| 02:06.41 | webman | benjamindees: 2.4.25 |
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| 02:06.58 | chealer | mwilson: you bought an HP? ;) |
| 02:07.08 | wwallace | what is the name of that little mario bros like game in debian? |
| 02:07.09 | mwilson | Of course I did. How did you know? :) |
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| 02:07.15 | joaopaulo | have some program that change my actual root partition to another ? |
| 02:07.22 | chealer | mwilson: I had an Epson before :) |
| 02:07.35 | mwilson | chealer: What does that have to do with what I might have bought? |
| 02:07.38 | chealer | wwallace: supertux |
| 02:07.46 | Flimzy | joaopaulo: You want to move / to a different physical drive? |
| 02:07.52 | chealer | mwilson: HP is just good |
| 02:08.02 | mwilson | HP is sometimes very suck-ass. |
| 02:08.05 | ThomK | chealer: Can you apt-get supertux? |
| 02:08.06 | joaopaulo | Flimzy, no, i need to restore my MBR |
| 02:08.11 | mwilson | Depends on what you buy. |
| 02:08.17 | wwallace | how do i get it? |
| 02:08.20 | leo | chealer: oh sorry, they say sarge, I think I saw it in another place.. |
| 02:08.26 | wwallace | apt-get install supertux? |
| 02:08.40 | chealer | wwallace: try it :) |
| 02:08.45 | mwilson | Unfortunately, unless you have lots of money, most of their laser printers are tinfoil these days. |
| 02:08.49 | stouset | webman: If they're older than a month, it's pretty feasible that they've been brute forced |
| 02:08.51 | Flimzy | joaopaulo: Okay... altho that's not at all what you asked. |
| 02:09.05 | Flimzy | joaopaulo: boot from a rescue disk, then re-run lilo (or grub, or whatever it is you use) |
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| 02:09.06 | ThomK | wwallace :Yep installing now. |
| 02:09.22 | chealer | Flimzy: I don't know much about USB stuff, but one thing that would contradict this is that I can see the photos in gtkam |
| 02:09.22 | Flimzy | I have a laser printer to sell that's not tinfoil |
| 02:09.30 | mwilson | I have several laser printers. |
| 02:09.44 | joaopaulo | Flimzy, i can't boot from a rescue disk because had some error doing initrd=initrd.img |
| 02:09.52 | ThomK | Flimzy: Color? |
| 02:09.52 | Flimzy | chealer: Then it may not be a standard USB drive device, as most modern cams are |
| 02:09.53 | mwilson | I'm going to donate all of them to the church I volunteer for. |
| 02:10.01 | Flimzy | ThomK: No. |
| 02:10.01 | joaopaulo | Flimzy, the boot process don't see the initrd.img |
| 02:10.13 | Flimzy | joaopaulo: Then your rescue disk is fubar, I'd say. |
| 02:10.27 | joaopaulo | fubar ? |
| 02:10.28 | chealer | Flimzy: you're saying that most are standard or non-standard? |
| 02:10.37 | webman | stouset: well, just for fun, I will try john on the password file, and see what it gets.... |
| 02:10.55 | Flimzy | chealer: The standard these days is that a digital camera appears to the computer as a USB hard drive. Same as a PenDrive, flash card reader, or external USB drive. |
| 02:11.05 | Flimzy | chealer: If your camera isn't like that (and some aren't) then yours is not standard. |
| 02:11.13 | webman | I don't really think anyone would bother with my server to brute force it, I am sure there are many other servers with plenty of open exploitable bugs ..... |
| 02:11.36 | Flimzy | chealer: And if yours is not standard, then you will need special non-standard drivers (which gtkam, or whatever you said, may have) |
| 02:11.43 | stouset | webman: You may have a point. |
| 02:12.08 | ThomK | wwallace I've installed it, now how do I run it? |
| 02:12.16 | stouset | webman: What services were running on the machine? |
| 02:12.18 | chealer | Flimzy: but it should make a device nevertheless, no? |
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| 02:12.35 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 02:12.39 | ThomK | Thats one thing I can never figure out, I always wind up doing a find '*supertux*' --name |
| 02:12.41 | wwallace | ThomK: i guess type supertux |
| 02:12.56 | wwallace | ill use kde |
| 02:12.57 | chealer | ThomK: dpkg -L supertux |
| 02:12.57 | stouset | Back in a bit, gotta replace laptop keyboard. |
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| 02:13.16 | wwallace | it worked from konsole |
| 02:13.26 | madclicker | Flimzy: i did but it will not prompt for password |
| 02:13.27 | chealer | or use synaptic |
| 02:13.31 | wwallace | just typed supertux |
| 02:13.32 | webman | stouset: sshd, apache-perl (with rt debian package), djb's tinydns, djb's qmail are open to the internet, (qmail-scanner which called clamav + spamassassin, but these aren't open to the internet) |
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| 02:14.26 | Flimzy | madclicker: eh/ |
| 02:14.29 | Flimzy | ? |
| 02:14.42 | chealer | Flimzy: did you only mean that it would have a non-standard device name, or that it could not create a device at all? |
| 02:15.10 | madclicker | Flimzy: do i need to load a passwd module into apache to enable password protections? |
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| 02:15.36 | chealer | hi sparr_ |
| 02:15.48 | benjamindees | webman, http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2005/01/msg00201.html |
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| 02:16.15 | ThomK | command not found |
| 02:16.16 | ThomK | bah |
| 02:16.26 | webman | btw: chkrootkit didn't find anything at all.... |
| 02:16.30 | ThomK | and when I found it, and ran it, it said 'permission denied' |
| 02:16.38 | wwallace | ThomK: not from root |
| 02:16.54 | wwallace | supertux |
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| 02:18.25 | elmn8u | ummm |
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| 02:19.01 | webman | benjamindees: but are any of those bugs remote exploitable to gain a shell (as any user) ?? I realise that once they gained access as *a* user, they could increase to root from kernel exploit, but how did they get in to begin?? |
| 02:19.42 | elmn8u | noob question, anyone no of a website that has guides on how to upgrade the kernel? |
| 02:20.06 | stew | elmn8u: apt-cache search kernel-image ; pick one ; apt-get install it |
| 02:20.19 | asg | elmn8u: apt-get install kernel-image (pick one from the list and install it) |
| 02:20.22 | ThomK | No available video device |
| 02:20.35 | common | elmn8u: tldp.org kernel howto |
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| 02:22.16 | chealer | is it possible that a non-standard USB digital camera can be used by gtkam but doesn't create a device under /dev? |
| 02:22.25 | elmn8u | thanks guys |
| 02:22.46 | elmn8u | <elmn8u> noob question, anyone no of a website that has guides on how to |
| 02:22.46 | elmn8u | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.46 | elmn8u | <stew> elmn8u: apt-cache search kernel-image ; pick one ; apt-get install it |
| 02:22.46 | elmn8u | <asg> elmn8u: apt-get install kernel-image (pick one from the list and install |
| 02:22.47 | elmn8u | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:22.51 | bob2 | chealer: sure |
| 02:23.00 | dondelelcaro | damnit. |
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| 02:23.13 | chealer | thanks bob2, Flimzy |
| 02:23.20 | benjamindees | webman, everything I've seen says 2.4.27 is recommended |
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| 02:23.38 | billh_ | any news about Flash not working with the most recent -unstable upgrade ? |
| 02:24.01 | asg | bh: no, check the bts |
| 02:24.09 | bh | ok |
| 02:24.16 | chealer | so that will presumably mean that I can't mount the digital camera under KDE |
| 02:24.32 | green_earz | elmn8u: here a handy link Debian Reference http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 02:24.48 | Guerin_ | chealer: yeah. Many cameras can't be mounted as mass storage, only accessed using gphoto2 or suchlike |
| 02:24.57 | Guerin_ | canon are particularly evil in that respect |
| 02:25.02 | ThomK | What is lost+found ? |
| 02:25.08 | bob2 | chealer: you can't mount it under anything, all you can do is use programs that understand their silly proprietary format |
| 02:25.13 | chealer | Guerin_: ok...that's what I have :/ thanks anyway |
| 02:25.16 | bob2 | most new cameras are sane and just use usb-storage, tho |
| 02:25.17 | asg | ThomK: where recovered files go after a fsck |
| 02:25.30 | ThomK | My new drive has that already |
| 02:25.34 | asg | green_earz: it was kicked after a flood |
| 02:25.41 | bob2 | ThomK: is it empty? |
| 02:25.47 | asg | ThomK: all filesystems should have it. |
| 02:25.50 | green_earz | ok |
| 02:25.56 | ThomK | bob2 yes |
| 02:26.01 | bob2 | all ext2/3 ones, anyway ;) |
| 02:26.17 | asg | bob2: and there are others? ;0 |
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| 02:26.35 | bob2 | haha |
| 02:26.43 | Aradorn | only 6500 more files to go... |
| 02:26.47 | Aradorn | jesus this is taking forever |
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| 02:27.03 | chealer | bob2: yeah...my father barely browsed a few websites, so I understand he buys insane stuff :| |
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| 02:27.17 | bob2 | heh |
| 02:27.31 | bob2 | chealer: another option is just buying a usb card reader |
| 02:27.41 | bob2 | it costs like $au40 for one that reads every camera format I've ever heard of |
| 02:27.55 | chealer | oh, that's cool |
| 02:27.57 | Lee__ | I bought a 512 meg CF card and they threw in a reader for free |
| 02:28.14 | Lee__ | they have those crazy 1000 in 1 card readers now |
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| 02:28.52 | bob2 | hah |
| 02:29.13 | cafuego | and lovely 8GB CF cards |
| 02:29.24 | asg | he's not telling us that it was Adobe Acrobat Reader on a CD though. |
| 02:29.26 | Lee__ | flash is up to 8 gigs!? |
| 02:29.58 | Lee__ | I thought that was just a microdrive |
| 02:30.52 | versuchsanstalt | will there be new news from dpkg? |
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| 02:31.04 | asg | !botsnack |
| 02:31.04 | dpkg | asg: thanks |
| 02:31.06 | cafuego | SanDisk Ultra II Compact Flash 8GB - AU$ 1,409.09 |
| 02:31.09 | asg | versuchsanstalt: there you go |
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| 02:31.22 | versuchsanstalt | <dpkg> |==== News for #debian: (2 items) |
| 02:31.22 | versuchsanstalt | <dpkg> |= Last updated 113d 13h 53m 12s ago. |
| 02:31.26 | cafuego | minimum sustained write @ 9MB/sec |
| 02:31.26 | versuchsanstalt | do i? |
| 02:31.35 | asg | versuchsanstalt: oh, news has been defunct for a while now |
| 02:31.48 | Lee__ | cafuego: OMG. next level. |
| 02:31.56 | asg | versuchsanstalt: just check the /topic |
| 02:32.03 | Lee__ | that can handle a mpeg-2 stream |
| 02:32.13 | versuchsanstalt | ah, it's in the topic i didnt read ... again. |
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| 02:32.26 | cafuego | Lee__: That's the idea, yes |
| 02:32.32 | asg | versuchsanstalt: no, we don't use bot news anymore. /topic is all that is needed. |
| 02:32.43 | cafuego | Lee__: it's a wee bit more expensive than a DVD disc though |
| 02:33.01 | Lee__ | yes, just a bit. |
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| 02:33.20 | sparr_ | Will a HPT372N RAID controller work in linux? How well? Google gives me a lot of kernel mailing list stuff of varying degrees of mumbojumbo-ness and age. |
| 02:33.23 | versuchsanstalt | so let's write a last news item from dpkg that news is defunct, what about that? |
| 02:33.41 | asg | versuchsanstalt: that's up to dondelelcaro |
| 02:33.43 | cafuego | sparr_: Use it as normal ide controller and use the kernel md driver for software raid. |
| 02:33.51 | versuchsanstalt | this way it looks like, erm, a slow release cycle or sumpin. |
| 02:33.57 | versuchsanstalt | </kidding> |
| 02:34.02 | cafuego | !news is <reply> News is in /topic |
| 02:34.04 | sparr_ | cafuego: what if i want to try using it for "hardware" raid? |
| 02:34.12 | cafuego | sparr_: I'd buy a decent card |
| 02:34.23 | cafuego | sparr_: That would explude 'highpoint' and 'promise' |
| 02:34.27 | sparr_ | cafuego: its on my motherboard, so theres $$ incentive to get it to work :) |
| 02:34.48 | cafuego | sparr_: no, it's software raid with a proprietary driver. Just don't[tm] |
| 02:34.52 | sparr_ | well, im not dead set on RAID |
| 02:34.59 | sparr_ | ill just use it for 4 more IDE drives if i have to |
| 02:35.02 | sparr_ | i just want to play with RAID |
| 02:35.12 | Lee__ | Dell pimps their "hardware" RAID by telling you at the last minute to use the md driver |
| 02:35.15 | versuchsanstalt | thanks anyway, asg, cafuego. |
| 02:35.26 | asg | sparr_: remember, if you get it in your eyes, flush with water and call poison control |
| 02:35.38 | cafuego | sparr_: that is a software raid chip, which offloads all processing to the binary driver, it's NOT hardware raid. |
| 02:35.49 | sparr_ | cafuego: i figured as much |
| 02:36.07 | cafuego | sparr_: better off using it as ide with decent software raid ('s what I do, works fine) |
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| 02:36.25 | moonunit | what about using a hardware raid device that "looks" like a normal IDE drive? |
| 02:36.32 | moonunit | ( ie, do they exist? ) |
| 02:36.57 | Lee__ | they usually "look" like SCSI devices |
| 02:37.09 | Lee__ | compaq smart2 is like that |
| 02:37.22 | parsec_ | any knows issues with XFree86 any BENQ brand monitors? mine keeps getting a bit of fuzzy lines in the upper left corner.. not much but its noticable and not good.. |
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| 02:37.33 | dondelelcaro | versuchsanstalt: the news feature hasn't been working for a few years now. |
| 02:37.42 | cafuego | parsec_: Where is your left speaker located? |
| 02:37.49 | Sirex | hi, apt-get install -f bums out saying errors were encountered trying to process libwxgtk2.4-python but i cant use apt-get for installs uninstalls at the moment because its asking me to run apt-get install -f. is there a way to get out of this circular situation ? |
| 02:37.50 | parsec_ | haaha |
| 02:37.57 | parsec_ | cafuego: its built into the monitor its not taht =] |
| 02:38.05 | parsec_ | cafuego: and my speakers are shielded =] |
| 02:38.06 | parsec_ | hehe |
| 02:38.07 | madclicker | how do i password apache2 websites on sarge? |
| 02:38.09 | Lee__ | Sirex: run apt-get -f install |
| 02:38.16 | dondelelcaro | versuchsanstalt: it's not something that's particularly high on my priority list, because there are far superior methods of desiminating information about Debian, like debian-news@lists.debian.org, and the various announcement lists. |
| 02:38.25 | Sirex | Lee__ did you actually read what i wrote ? |
| 02:38.27 | versuchsanstalt | dondelelcaro: i really got used to it for update related information. |
| 02:38.28 | cafuego | parsec_: it's guaranteed not an X issue, it just outputs a bog-standard vga signal. Is the screen under warranty? |
| 02:38.39 | Lee__ | Sirex: apt-get update |
| 02:38.45 | cafuego | madclicker: via whichever password scheme you want. |
| 02:38.46 | moonunit | Lee__ is that the only one you know of ...? |
| 02:38.57 | Lee__ | yes, I know only one |
| 02:38.58 | Sirex | Lee__ didnt help |
| 02:39.02 | dondelelcaro | versuchsanstalt: it seriously hasn't worked for YEARS. So, it's not like you've got a very serious habit going |
| 02:39.08 | cafuego | madclicker: There's htpasswd, and check libapache2-mod-auth-* |
| 02:39.09 | Lee__ | Sirex: what's the error? |
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| 02:39.11 | moonunit | Lee__: thanks man! :) |
| 02:39.13 | Lee__ | that's a good start |
| 02:39.17 | parsec_ | cafuego: the screen isnt bogus, it works under windows, and the prompt.. |
| 02:39.36 | cafuego | parsec_: is X running in a higher resolution than Windows is? |
| 02:39.54 | Sirex | error processing the libwxgtk python .deb trying to overwrite /usr/bin/helpview which is also in package wxpython2.5.3 |
| 02:40.02 | npx | oh man |
| 02:40.05 | parsec_ | cafuego: of course not |
| 02:40.07 | npx | my neighbor bought this 87 5.0 mustang |
| 02:40.11 | npx | it sounds so horrendous |
| 02:40.16 | cafuego | parsec_: What do you mean "of course" ? |
| 02:40.22 | parsec_ | cafuego: i tried identical settings |
| 02:40.29 | versuchsanstalt | dondelelcaro: so it seems that i did much of my updating into the blue. is it really broken or not updated anymore? |
| 02:40.31 | npx | I cringe every time he starts it, I can hear a rod trying to escape through he oil pan |
| 02:40.36 | parsec_ | cafuego: both are running 1024 x 8 whatever |
| 02:40.39 | parsec_ | cafguego: heh |
| 02:40.42 | Lee__ | Sirex: check bugs.debian.org |
| 02:40.42 | parsec_ | cafguego: its really erally weird |
| 02:40.43 | dondelelcaro | versuchsanstalt: Yes. |
| 02:40.53 | madclicker | cafuego: i want to use htpasswd, do you know which module do i need to use? |
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| 02:41.02 | cafuego | parsec_: Can you check the refresh rate? |
| 02:41.03 | parsec_ | modclicker: none |
| 02:41.15 | parsec_ | cafuego: i set the specificatoins according to my manufactures manual.. im not a linux newbie |
| 02:41.16 | cafuego | madclicker: it's already there. |
| 02:41.22 | Lee__ | madclicker: consult the apache documentation. it's very well written. |
| 02:41.26 | versuchsanstalt | dondelelcaro: yes it's broken or yes it's not being updated anymore? (sorry to bug you) |
| 02:41.29 | cafuego | parsec_: Is that a yes or a no? |
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| 02:41.39 | dondelelcaro | versuchsanstalt: Yes to everyting. |
| 02:41.59 | madclicker | cafuego: i've been consulting it for the past hour |
| 02:42.03 | versuchsanstalt | dondelelcaro: ha, you got me. :-) now i see. |
| 02:42.52 | versuchsanstalt | thanks for pointing that out. |
| 02:42.52 | parsec_ | cafuego: of course i can |
| 02:43.23 | cafuego | madclicker: Use 'Limit' and 'require valid-user and a set a passwd file |
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| 02:43.50 | ethichs | how do i find out what package contains a file? |
| 02:43.57 | ethichs | Manip.pm specifically |
| 02:43.59 | cafuego | parsec_: My guess is the screen is running at a different refresh rate under Linux. |
| 02:44.03 | gravity | ethichs: dpkg -S |
| 02:44.04 | cafuego | ethichs: via apt-file |
| 02:44.18 | Lee__ | madclicker: there's a section dedicated to user authentication. |
| 02:44.20 | madclicker | cafuego: i did all that |
| 02:44.35 | ethichs | cheers |
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| 02:44.51 | cafuego | madclicker: Restarted apache2? |
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| 02:45.42 | madclicker | cafuego: yeap, several times |
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| 02:46.19 | cafuego | madclicker: Oh, you need auth_digest loaded. |
| 02:47.41 | ethichs | cafuego: im downloading the octets atm but its 20 mins on dialup...can you check this file for me Manip.pm |
| 02:47.52 | cafuego | !find Manip.pm |
| 02:47.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Manip.pm' (1): (/usr/share/perl5/Date/Manip.pm) in perl/libdate-manip-perl. |
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| 02:49.23 | ethichs | nice thx cafuego |
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| 02:53.42 | Guerin | IDC: you can only have one MTA at a time, unless you use funky coodoo to make them cohabit. Just keep what you have, if it works. |
| 02:54.20 | madclicker | Lee_ nothing at all |
| 02:54.50 | Lee__ | if they say nothing, then there is no HTTP request getting through and your problem lies elsewhere. |
| 02:55.10 | Lee__ | is your web server running? |
| 02:55.59 | madclicker | Lee__: yes, i think by default sarge is not configured to read .htaccess files |
| 02:56.20 | IDC | Guerin, I see |
| 02:56.32 | Lee__ | you should still see something in your logs. specificallt a 403 Forbidden message |
| 02:56.48 | Lee__ | s/specificallt/specifically/ |
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| 02:58.54 | madclicker | Lee__: i whish it would |
| 02:58.54 | Guerin | madclicker: by deafult, debian's apache doesn't utilise .htaccess, etc. You must specifically enable it in your DocumentRoot Directory directive, iirc |
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| 02:59.36 | madclicker | Guerin: hows that? |
| 02:59.43 | kev1n | anybody know of drivers for lexmark X5250 which just work? |
| 02:59.57 | kev1n | since i am a linux newbie |
| 03:00.04 | kev1n | using debian and kde |
| 03:00.14 | Guerin | madclicker: read the auth section of the doc on httpd.apache.org; it's all in there. |
| 03:00.17 | Lee__ | madclicker: so if there's no log message, I still stand by the fact that your problem is somewhere else since the HTTP request isn't even getting through. Can you print the output of 'netstat -ant | grep 80' |
| 03:00.33 | resiak | kev1n: Lexmarks are a pain in the behind to get working, I hear. |
| 03:00.47 | Guerin | if the client doesn't get 'connection refused', the httpd is running |
| 03:00.51 | kev1n | resiak... i am getting to believe that |
| 03:00.53 | Lee__ | kev1n: I think "just working" is for OS X... |
| 03:01.17 | Lee__ | it took a bit of reading at linuxprinting.org to get my HP printing the nice little tiger.ps file this morning. |
| 03:01.36 | kev1n | Lee... i have download the driver developer kit but have no idea how it works or how to use it |
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| 03:01.44 | npx | real PostScript printers just work |
| 03:02.04 | npx | Just about everything else is too much trouble to bother with, imo |
| 03:02.19 | kev1n | :) |
| 03:02.32 | Lee__ | npx: agreed, although other OS's do make it less painful to "sort of work, justly" |
| 03:02.43 | npx | true |
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| 03:03.44 | Lee__ | kev1n: you don't need a developer kit. just read the CUPS quickstart at linuxprinting.org |
| 03:03.58 | kev1n | i have just moved from win XP and it worked perfectly in there... wish it would do the same in debian! |
| 03:04.06 | kev1n | thanks lee.. will do then.. |
| 03:04.16 | Lee__ | good luck. remember, Debian isn't XP... |
| 03:04.41 | Flimzy | Lee__: Praise be to God! |
| 03:04.41 | Guerin | kev1n: blame lexmark for not releasing documentation and spec |
| 03:05.09 | kev1n | i know... but i will never go back to XP |
| 03:05.11 | kev1n | ::) |
| 03:05.17 | Guerin | don't blame debian for not supporting every cheap-ass, knock-off piece of two-bt shiteware there is |
| 03:05.50 | Lee__ | I can't get Debian sarge to connect to my coffee maker via IPv6, help! |
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| 03:06.20 | dondelelcaro | Lee__: make a cup of hot joe. Dump it over your box. Congratulations. You've connected your box to the coffee maker. |
| 03:06.24 | Flimzy | Lee__: You need to use... Java |
| 03:06.33 | Lee__ | brb |
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| 03:06.49 | Flimzy | dondek: I think he's gonna try that.... |
| 03:06.57 | Flimzy | blah, dondelelcaro |
| 03:07.00 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: we can only hope... |
| 03:07.23 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro: does that *really* work? |
| 03:07.27 | Xenguy | ;-) |
| 03:07.34 | Lee__ | it "just works" |
| 03:07.35 | dondelelcaro | Xenguy: what? sure it does. |
| 03:07.40 | Xenguy | haha |
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| 03:07.57 | stew | Lee__: does your coffee maker use dhcp? |
| 03:07.58 | dondelelcaro | Xenguy: depends on what your definition of "work" and "connected" is, but according to mine, it works just fine. |
| 03:08.10 | Xenguy | aye |
| 03:08.12 | phuzzie | hello, i just installed 3.0r5 and am trying to get X going, but it's saying my vid card only has 256K of ram, anyone have an idea what's going on??? |
| 03:08.30 | Xenguy | which reminds me, I'm out of coffee :-( |
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| 03:08.38 | resiak | phuzzie: Is this compuer a server> |
| 03:08.52 | phuzzie | no, just for use as a desktop machine |
| 03:08.59 | resiak | !d-i phuzzie |
| 03:08.59 | dpkg | phuzzie, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:10.25 | madclicker | Guerin: thank you very much, AllowOverride was the problem |
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| 03:14.00 | phuzzie | yeah, i already read the installation guide, it doesn't talk about setting up X.... |
| 03:14.31 | phuzzie | and i've done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 about 10 times now |
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| 03:15.25 | FlyingPenguin | I am running the 2.6.8 kernel and am having issues seeing a 2 TB raid 5 array. When I do cfdisk /dev/sda i get a fatal error can not open drive but it works fine if i destroy the array and only have a 1 TB one. |
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| 03:17.52 | furrywolf | flying: dunno. why don't you ship the array my direction and I'll see what I can find out? :P |
| 03:18.04 | Lee__ | phuzzie: the ghetto method is to boot from a Knoppix disk, mount your Debian / partition and copy over /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:18.06 | phuzzie | and, an odd thing, when I go to configure X using the graphical util i can go OK until i try to do my mouse, then it just disappears....and if i just save my conf w/o trying to do the mouse it still doesn't make any difference, still says only 256k ram, even after I try specifying the amount manually |
| 03:18.33 | Guerin | what graphical utility? |
| 03:18.37 | Lee__ | but that's, like, cheating |
| 03:18.42 | swatikiss | i keep on getting an error when burning cds that "OPC failed" what might be the causes of this ? |
| 03:18.42 | Guerin | using a gui to configure a gui is utterly stupid |
| 03:19.04 | Guerin | !drxx phuzzie |
| 03:19.05 | dpkg | phuzzie: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 03:19.18 | phuzzie | i don't care, i just need X, my monitor is effed at the lower resolutions, makes working in console a real pain |
| 03:19.29 | Guerin | !hwinfo |
| 03:19.30 | dpkg | somebody said hwinfo was your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 03:19.38 | Guerin | what precisely is the problem |
| 03:19.39 | Guerin | ? |
| 03:19.39 | stew | phuzzie: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 03:19.45 | FlyingPenguin | furry: ok you promis :) |
| 03:19.48 | FlyingPenguin | e |
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| 03:19.58 | phuzzie | guerin, i dunno, when it can't start the X server it asks if you want to see the log, then after that you can go into twm and there's a conf util |
| 03:20.11 | FlyingPenguin | i figured someone would have some keen insight on the issue |
| 03:20.34 | stew | phuzzie: if this is going to be a desktop you would be much better off installing 3.1 aka sarge then 3.0 aka woody |
| 03:20.35 | resiak | phuzzie: You reaaaaaly want to install Sarge, which is why I have you taht link. |
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| 03:20.43 | Guerin | phuzzie: do you actually have the x server installed? dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 will tell you |
| 03:21.03 | phuzzie | guerin, well, in the X log it says my vid card only has 256k ram, and ergo insufficient ram for any vid modes |
| 03:21.05 | parsec_ | whats a good MSN Messenger client.. |
| 03:21.10 | parsec_ | gaim keeps giving me issues |
| 03:21.12 | resiak | !tell parsec_ -about polls |
| 03:21.14 | Lee__ | phuzzie: please install sarge |
| 03:21.16 | Guerin | parsec_: irssi |
| 03:21.21 | stew | parsec_: bitlbee |
| 03:21.22 | Guerin | phuzzie: what video card? |
| 03:21.25 | parsec_ | irssi is an irc cleint |
| 03:21.26 | parsec_ | isnt it |
| 03:21.27 | K_dallas | parsec_: gaim has worked fine for me, maybe you need to upgrade |
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| 03:21.32 | stew | parsec_: irssi + bitlbee |
| 03:21.32 | Guerin | irssi isn't a client, it's a server :) |
| 03:21.33 | parsec_ | gaim is a piece |
| 03:21.34 | resiak | parsec_: apt-cache show bitlbee |
| 03:21.36 | MilkyMouse | hey? which application can I use to copy bytes per bytes from a badblocked HDD to a brand new HDD? "dd" ? "cpio"? It needs to be bootable after the procedure... any hints? |
| 03:21.42 | Guerin | (and a client) |
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| 03:22.01 | Guerin | MilkyMouse: dd. But it'll copy bad blocks too |
| 03:22.04 | phuzzie | guerin nvidia geforce2 mx |
| 03:22.05 | IDC | Is it normal that after a reboot all files plus folders in /tmp are gone ? |
| 03:22.10 | rr72 | my boot loader is messed up |
| 03:22.20 | rr72 | i get li error |
| 03:22.25 | phuzzie | what exactly is Sarge?? |
| 03:22.26 | resiak | !d-i phuzzie |
| 03:22.26 | Guerin | phuzzie: what driver are you using? (hint: should be 'nv') |
| 03:22.27 | dpkg | phuzzie, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:22.28 | furrywolf | milky: dd might work; dunno what it will do if the drive reports an i/o error though. |
| 03:22.30 | resiak | !tell phuzzie -about sarge |
| 03:22.40 | resiak | IDC: Yes, and that's a feature. |
| 03:22.43 | Guerin | oh, he's woody |
| 03:23.01 | slava_ | remastering ubuntu install cd help needed please. and added some packages to install cd but i do not know how to tell installer to install additional packages from a remasterd cd by default? |
| 03:23.08 | stew | IDC: yes, it is configurable in /etc/rcS/default |
| 03:23.11 | furrywolf | that's the whole point of /tmp... TeMPorary... |
| 03:23.15 | Guerin | slava_: #ubuntu |
| 03:23.24 | furrywolf | slava: this isn't #ubuntu. |
| 03:23.29 | Guerin | eejit |
| 03:23.38 | Guerin | !tardware |
| 03:23.45 | IDC | resiak, I see,so it's werid,since all files in /tmp will be gone after a reboot,why in mmcache it tells me to create /tmp/mmcache/ to cache the PHP applications ..hmm |
| 03:23.50 | MilkyMouse | Guerin can I simply type "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" ? |
| 03:23.51 | stew | IDC: actually make that /etc/default/rcS |
| 03:23.53 | slava_ | i know .. :P no one gave an answer there |
| 03:23.56 | resiak | IDC: Because it's a _cache_./ |
| 03:24.00 | furrywolf | !they don't know |
| 03:24.00 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 03:24.09 | phuzzie | ugh, i'm on dial-up, d/l'ing another 600mb is not appealing :-/ |
| 03:24.17 | MilkyMouse | furrywolf : Any other software? |
| 03:24.19 | slava_ | and ubuntu uses debian installer |
| 03:24.24 | resiak | slava_: That's irrelevant. |
| 03:24.30 | rr72 | i get li error on boot up |
| 03:24.33 | IDC | resiak, but thats strange,see in php.ini i have to add the cache path that is /tmp/mmcache ,but now its not there,cuz i did a reboot |
| 03:24.33 | resiak | !li |
| 03:24.34 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 03:24.40 | Lee__ | phuzzie: use the netinst image |
| 03:24.41 | Guerin | slava_: don't bother trying to argue this toss, we've heard all the arguments. |
| 03:24.46 | resiak | IDC: Well, shout at the PHP people. |
| 03:24.51 | Lee__ | it's ~ 100mb |
| 03:24.54 | IDC | resiak, anyway all of those processes are official from their home site though,strange |
| 03:24.54 | furrywolf | milky: I can't think of any standard utilities that will keep reading if the drive reports an i/o error... I may be wrong though. you might have to do some ugly dd-in-a-loop thing or somthing. |
| 03:25.02 | IDC | ok |
| 03:25.08 | resiak | IDC: PHP's page? Well then. :) Tell them about it. |
| 03:25.10 | phuzzie | guerin, i've tried vesa and vga from the dpkg config, i don't recall seeing nv, but could always take another look |
| 03:25.11 | rr72 | ty |
| 03:25.15 | IDC | stew, I see :) |
| 03:25.19 | resiak | !woody hardware support |
| 03:25.19 | dpkg | well, woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 03:25.36 | Guerin | !tardware is the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include most ATI video cards, lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>. |
| 03:25.37 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 03:25.39 | madclicker | has anyone used "gibraltar firewall" ? |
| 03:25.45 | resiak | !anyone |
| 03:25.45 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 03:25.56 | resiak | !Guerin++ |
| 03:26.01 | rr72 | !large-disk-mini-howto |
| 03:26.05 | furrywolf | lol |
| 03:26.06 | Lee__ | that was awesome. poetic almost. |
| 03:26.22 | MilkyMouse | furrywolf : darn... I fixed the drive... but I guess the FS is too dumb to report it to my knoppix live CD... ;( |
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| 03:27.04 | Guerin | phuzzie: get thee to the d-i homepage |
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| 03:27.14 | resiak | yonkel-lappy! |
| 03:27.17 | furrywolf | back in a bit. need to go warm up and test the generator... going to loan it to someone, want to make sure it's ready to go. |
| 03:27.21 | phuzzie | yeah, ok, i get the point |
| 03:27.26 | Guerin | phuzzie: :) |
| 03:27.32 | phuzzie | thanks for the info guys |
| 03:27.36 | stew | phuzzie: you can start with a 110mb iso and only download what else you need |
| 03:27.37 | Lee__ | good luck |
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| 03:27.50 | Aradorn | !tardware |
| 03:27.50 | dpkg | [tardware] the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include most ATI video cards, lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>. |
| 03:27.56 | Aradorn | rofl |
| 03:27.57 | rr72 | ive read it ho |
| 03:28.01 | rr72 | tho |
| 03:28.10 | Guerin | Aradorn: just couldn't hit PGUP, could you |
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| 03:28.27 | rr72 | so crowded |
| 03:28.29 | resiak | rr72: What are you on about? |
| 03:28.36 | Aradorn | so bots wont accept entries like that, was wondering if it took =) |
| 03:28.36 | jshriver | Greetings again :) |
| 03:28.39 | Aradorn | er some rather |
| 03:28.44 | jshriver | Curious how do you use a patch.bz2 file? |
| 03:28.46 | Aradorn | A+ for typing skills today |
| 03:28.49 | rr72 | ive tried it all for lilo |
| 03:28.58 | stew | jshriver: /msg dpkg patch |
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| 03:29.02 | jshriver | I tried "bzcat file.patch.bz2 | patch -p1" but keep getting errors |
| 03:29.13 | jshriver | thanks stew let me check that ou |
| 03:29.22 | Aradorn | i thoguht ATI was going to offer linux support for their vid cards |
| 03:29.38 | stew | jshriver: that looks correct, sounds like you are either in the wrong directory of have a patch against a different version of whatever you are patching |
| 03:29.40 | Lee__ | Aradorn: they sort of do |
| 03:29.44 | jasoncohen | anyone here use amarok?> |
| 03:29.45 | Guerin | Aradorn: hah, yeah, right. |
| 03:29.47 | rr72 | aperantly not answer |
| 03:29.53 | furrywolf | !anyone |
| 03:29.53 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 03:29.56 | Aradorn | gah my x800 is useless then =p |
| 03:30.04 | Lee__ | I have a Radeon 9000 and it gets 3d acceleration at the expense of the infrequent kernel panic |
| 03:30.06 | Aradorn | or maybe ill just write my own drivers |
| 03:30.07 | Aradorn | hehehe |
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| 03:30.13 | jasoncohen | it just freezes up and dies on me at random intervals while using arts. |
| 03:30.16 | rr72 | good lucj |
| 03:30.17 | rr72 | good luck |
| 03:30.23 | Aradorn | i know right? |
| 03:30.24 | rr72 | darn lilo |
| 03:30.31 | jshriver | hrm... will email the author. |
| 03:30.33 | rr72 | im using a small hd |
| 03:30.38 | rr72 | only 4 g |
| 03:30.40 | resiak | !tell rr72 -about lilo |
| 03:30.42 | jshriver | supposed to work with a vanilla 2.6.11.8 source |
| 03:30.47 | resiak | rr72: Reaaaaad itttttt aggggaaaaaiiiin. |
| 03:30.50 | furrywolf | I get hard lockups attempting to capture on my all-in-wonder... |
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| 03:30.57 | chealer | jasoncohen: ask #debian-kde |
| 03:30.58 | stew | jshriver: what are you patching the kernel for? |
| 03:31.08 | Aradorn | good thing i wont be using linux for antying video oriented |
| 03:31.09 | rr72 | its 4 g |
| 03:31.11 | Aradorn | atleast yet =) |
| 03:31.14 | jshriver | stew: v3tv support for the Voodoo3 TV 3500 card... |
| 03:31.16 | rr72 | and still get li |
| 03:31.20 | Guerin | my nvidia tnt2 m64 has never given me a second's worth of trouble |
| 03:31.23 | resiak | !tell rr72 -about enter |
| 03:31.36 | Aradorn | yeah but those are pretty old cards |
| 03:31.37 | Lee__ | Aradorn: there /are/ some cards. you just have to find them before you install the drivers :) |
| 03:31.39 | stew | jshriver: and you are getting rejected hunks? |
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| 03:31.46 | Guerin | Aradorn: does the job, bob. |
| 03:31.48 | Aradorn | yup |
| 03:31.50 | jshriver | furrywolf: how do you rate the all-in-wonder? I've been wanting a vid capt card, and a friend gave me his Voodoo3 TV 3500 |
| 03:31.54 | rr72 | u are picking on me now. |
| 03:31.56 | jshriver | stew yes |
| 03:32.00 | Aradorn | im just saying they have had longer to develope good drivers for them |
| 03:32.01 | Guerin | !u |
| 03:32.01 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:32.13 | Aradorn | for someone like me who has a new gen vid card it would be harder to find support for it |
| 03:32.21 | rr72 | !asl |
| 03:32.21 | dpkg | rr72, American Sign Language isn't very useful on Internet Relay Chat Old enough, Yes please, My place. above sea level |
| 03:32.22 | Guerin | Aradorn: except the driver hasn't changed materially in years. |
| 03:32.26 | jshriver | stew I'll past it in #flood if you dont mind... it's 2 lines |
| 03:32.26 | Lee__ | new gen vid cards are for Windows |
| 03:32.30 | stew | jshriver: then most likely the patch was created against a different kernel version or possibly a non vanilla tree |
| 03:32.31 | resiak | rr72: No, I'm not. I'm trying to help you get help here, since I don't know enough about what you're asking to help you effectively, and in any case I'm going to sleep. |
| 03:32.36 | Guerin | Aradorn: not if you'd bought a new nvidia card. |
| 03:32.44 | rr72 | !nite |
| 03:32.44 | dpkg | nite rr72 |
| 03:32.47 | stew | jshriver: i wouldn't be able to help, just try to verify exactly what the patch is against |
| 03:32.48 | rr72 | lmao |
| 03:32.57 | Aradorn | x800xt:PE> 6800 GT or Ultra =p |
| 03:32.59 | Aradorn | hehe |
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| 03:33.04 | Aradorn | im a gaming addict so i go for the best |
| 03:33.12 | Aradorn | not what has the best linux support |
| 03:33.13 | jshriver | aye... well I'm not sure if I'm using it right or if it requires some kind of weird patch option |
| 03:33.17 | rr72 | !anyone know lilo? |
| 03:33.17 | dpkg | well, lilo is the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of irc.freenode.net (who isn't named after the LInux LOader) |
| 03:33.19 | Guerin | and look what you get for that |
| 03:33.23 | jshriver | the file seems to have multiple diffs in it |
| 03:33.30 | Aradorn | Last in last out? =P |
| 03:33.32 | rr72 | anyone: know lilo? |
| 03:33.39 | resiak | !anyone |
| 03:33.39 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 03:33.41 | Guerin | !anyone know rahul? |
| 03:33.41 | dpkg | Rahul's ass site is at http://linux.rice.edu/~rahul/ You can find XF86Configs for XFree4 using DRI on voodoo3 as well as Xinerama there. rah0000 |
| 03:33.51 | Guerin | awesome |
| 03:33.58 | jshriver | http://gilfillan.gilfillan.org:8080/v3tv/v3tv-v4l2/ is the info |
| 03:34.01 | rr72 | i know where i can get real help |
| 03:34.05 | rr72 | thx tho |
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| 03:34.23 | madclicker | is there any good firewall guis for debian, besides webmin? |
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| 03:34.44 | Lee__ | madclicker: http://m0n0.ch/wall |
| 03:35.15 | madclicker | Lee__: thats a bsd product |
| 03:35.29 | jasoncohen | madclicker, what's wrong with webmin? |
| 03:35.31 | Lee__ | yup, and it's totally rad. and it's not really a "product" either. |
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| 03:35.36 | jcarr | I'm still trying to deduce how to redirect /dev/urandom to write directly unbuffered to the disk platter |
| 03:35.39 | jcarr | is it possible? |
| 03:35.42 | Guerin | what's NOT wrong with webmin? |
| 03:35.46 | jasoncohen | i find the shorewall and iptables webmin interface to be quite good |
| 03:35.58 | jcarr | I want to write the output of /dev/urandom directly to random areas of my hard drive |
| 03:36.02 | Guerin | jcarr: cat > /dev/hda ? |
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| 03:36.10 | jcarr | nope :( |
| 03:36.18 | Guerin | what happen |
| 03:36.20 | Guerin | ? |
| 03:36.29 | jcarr | I want to do an unbuffered write of /dev/urandom directly to the platter |
| 03:36.31 | daxal | jcarr: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda - caveat emptor!! |
| 03:36.32 | jcarr | nothing :( |
| 03:36.45 | jcarr | daxal, cool, lemme try it real quick in another terminal |
| 03:36.59 | Guerin | webmin is a fucking joke which prevents people from becoming competent administrators, breaks scripts, and is horribly insecure in the hands of most people. |
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| 03:37.04 | jcarr | will it direclty overwrite my whole hard drive? |
| 03:37.12 | daxal | jcarr: yup |
| 03:37.17 | Guerin | yeah, that's what I was thinking too |
| 03:37.29 | jcarr | urg... must be hda1 |
| 03:37.30 | furrywolf | jcarr: yes and no. yes, you'll never get the data back off. no, it won't prevent the NSA from getting the data back off. |
| 03:37.45 | daxal | jcarr: hda takes the whole drive. hda1 is a partition of hda |
| 03:37.47 | tcsetattr | jcarr, maybe you are looking for shred(1) |
| 03:37.56 | Lee__ | maybe if you do it 20 times the NSA will have some trouble |
| 03:38.01 | Guerin | you have to do while true ; do ... ; and leave it overnight or a week or two for that |
| 03:38.06 | Guerin | and even then :) |
| 03:39.32 | madclicker | later all |
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| 03:39.47 | furrywolf | I once saw a most excellent video clip of recovering a hard drive with some kind of microscope and $$$ cpu power... showed the exact magnetic patterns of the bits, and how easy it was to calibrate it to read many-times overwritten data, then leave it run for a week, at which point it has a perfect copy... |
| 03:40.14 | daxal | sounds like a fairy tale |
| 03:40.21 | daxal | possible but... |
| 03:40.28 | kev1n | the last update/upgrade to evolution 2.2 seems to have caused mine to become broken.... anydbody else having probs with evolution in the last two days or so! |
| 03:40.55 | Guerin | broken how? |
| 03:41.04 | kev1n | wont start up... |
| 03:41.17 | kev1n | starts and then stops with a general error message |
| 03:41.28 | Nurbs | works fine on my debian experimental. |
| 03:41.30 | Guerin | what branch of debian? |
| 03:41.41 | kev1n | sid atm |
| 03:41.50 | Guerin | BTS it |
| 03:42.11 | Nurbs | evolution2.2 is only in experimental, isn't it? |
| 03:42.15 | kev1n | i can get someone a detailed error message by starting it in console if that helps |
| 03:42.17 | furrywolf | daxal: couple hints... if you overwrite a bit, it's only, say, 90% overwritten. so if you have a 1 and write a 0, you really have a 0.1. pretty easy to go from there... other way is by looking to the sides of the bits... the heads aren't in the exact center of the tracks, and the magnetic field extends to the sides, and you can use the remaining side area to recover bits. |
| 03:42.26 | Guerin | kev1n: it might also be an issue with the other stupid gnome daemons named after animals - sometimes if one is running, or not running, it'll cause evo to barf |
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| 03:42.40 | chealer | !info evolution |
| 03:42.43 | dpkg | evolution: (The groupware suite), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.2.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 8843 kB, Installed size: 24692 kB |
| 03:42.45 | Nurbs | ah, no, it's in both, hmm. weird package naming |
| 03:43.21 | daxal | furrywolf: but if you overwrite multiple times, how do you recover the authoritive info? |
| 03:43.41 | furrywolf | http://www.macrophile.com/~wolf/bagi.html <== hrmm, I ought to download that... but it looks sad, and I don't like sad things. :( |
| 03:44.06 | furrywolf | daxal: don't forget hard drives have LOTS of error correcting info... even if some large percentage of bits are wrong, it's usually possible to reconstruct it. |
| 03:44.10 | stouset | That sounds indescribably silly. |
| 03:44.16 | jshriver | bbl |
| 03:44.50 | furrywolf | stouset: how really determined people recover hard drives? :P |
| 03:44.58 | daxal | oh yea, I guess your right. |
| 03:45.01 | daxal | NEXT. |
| 03:45.20 | Guerin | !your |
| 03:45.20 | dpkg | [your] the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 03:45.35 | kev1n | Guerin... it mentions something about Camel |
| 03:45.39 | furrywolf | best ways to keep the NSA from reading your drives... a blowtorch comes to mind. :) |
| 03:45.59 | Guerin | i don't think camel is a gnome daemon, despite it being named after an animal |
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| 03:46.14 | kev1n | guerin....ok thanks |
| 03:46.23 | furrywolf | I'd love to see them recover any usable data from a hard drive cut into little bits with an acetylne torch. :) |
| 03:46.30 | daxal | furrywolf: or if your like me, the NSA don't want to waste their time on me. |
| 03:46.37 | Guerin | kev1n: the ones which come to mind are oaf, wombat, corba and bonobo |
| 03:47.06 | Guerin | kev1n: grep through the output of ps ax for those, kill them all, then try restarting them and evo one at a time |
| 03:47.46 | stouset | Guerin: Isn't camel the name of Evolution's mail backend library? |
| 03:47.57 | kev1n | Guerin ...thanks heaps... |
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| 03:48.43 | Guerin | stouset: oh, is that it? I know it's not a gnome daemon like bonobo and wombat are. |
| 03:48.57 | Guerin | stouset: but it appears in all mail-ids |
| 03:51.26 | Guerin | kev1n: put it on a httpd; /msg dpkg paster |
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| 03:52.19 | kev1n | guerin ... i am sorry ..i dont know what that means... |
| 03:52.27 | Guerin | !paster |
| 03:52.28 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 03:52.36 | FlyingPenguin | How do I get a driver to load on boot? I keep having to do a insmod ./driver in order to get it to "load" |
| 03:52.52 | kev1n | ok |
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| 03:53.14 | furrywolf | flying: /etc/modules.conf |
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| 03:53.21 | Guerin | FlyingPenguin: echo modulename >> /etc/modules |
| 03:53.42 | Guerin | don't use modules.conf unless you Really Know What You're DOing |
| 03:53.53 | FlyingPenguin | i definatly don't |
| 03:53.57 | Guerin | FlyingPenguin: and don't use insmod |
| 03:54.00 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 03:54.09 | Guerin | and insmod ./driver syntax is so wrong it isn't even funneh |
| 03:54.19 | FlyingPenguin | so just "echo drivername.ko >> /etc/modules" ? |
| 03:54.32 | Guerin | no, just the modulename. Not the filename |
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| 03:55.27 | adexta | hey guys |
| 03:55.28 | FlyingPenguin | to find the module name just lsmod then whichever it is "echo blahblah >> /etc/modules"? |
| 03:55.47 | Guerin | yes |
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| 03:56.07 | kev1n | guerin... done that |
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| 03:56.42 | kev1n | This content is stored as http://channels.debian.net/paste/145. |
| 03:57.09 | mrnull | Think they'll update mozilla-firefox to 1.4 soon? |
| 03:57.18 | FlyingPenguin | you mean 1.0.4? |
| 03:57.24 | mrnull | Yeah ;) |
| 03:57.38 | Guerin | kev1n: the hell I know. File a bug if there ain't one already on the BTS. |
| 03:57.45 | mrnull | If I were to just download it.. Where do you think I should store the installation? |
| 03:57.47 | Guerin | mrnull: in sarge? no. |
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| 03:57.59 | Guerin | mrnull: /usr/local/firefox? |
| 03:58.04 | Guerin | or similar |
| 03:58.08 | furrywolf | think they'll update mozilla-firefox such that it's stable, fast, and full-featured any time before the sun explodes? |
| 03:58.13 | kev1n | Guerin .. thanks |
| 03:58.28 | Aradorn | furrywolf i thought they had already done that |
| 03:58.45 | Aradorn | only thing i can get to crash firefox is large PDF files |
| 03:58.50 | furrywolf | oh, and doesn't need more ram than every other thing I have open combined? |
| 03:58.58 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:59.00 | Aradorn | its still better than IE |
| 03:59.09 | Guerin | i never have issues with firefox any more |
| 03:59.16 | Aradorn | and i cant stand opra and i dnt like the way mozilla looks |
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| 03:59.21 | furrywolf | aradorn: I can't get more than a few days uptime... install tabextensions actually makes it MORE stable, but I've never gotten saving tabs to work... |
| 03:59.24 | chiletix | Hello |
| 03:59.35 | benjamindees | Aradorn, how large? are you using an acrobat plugin or something? |
| 03:59.58 | chealer | one uncool thing is that mozilla update is only accessible with the latest firefox apparently |
| 04:00.06 | chiletix | I have a problem, y lost de option to boot winxp on grub? |
| 04:00.08 | chiletix | !! |
| 04:00.09 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 04:00.14 | Aradorn | benjamindees just about anything over 200 or 300 pages it will choke on sometimes, and just using the reader plugin to open it up |
| 04:00.34 | Guerin | chiletix: that's not a problem, that's a sloution. |
| 04:00.43 | nobre | my xterm dont get $PATH from /etc/profile... why? |
| 04:00.47 | Aradorn | Guerin haha |
| 04:01.04 | chealer | chiletix: there should be an entry for windows you can uncomment in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:01.07 | chiletix | yes shure it is, but not for the people how uses windoce |
| 04:01.13 | mwilson | nobre: xterm's don't get paths from *anywhere*. Shells running *within* them do. |
| 04:01.28 | mwilson | nobre: If your shell is bash, read the INVOCATION section of the man page. |
| 04:01.32 | chiletix | I will try it |
| 04:01.49 | nobre | mwilson , hmmm tks for the light! |
| 04:03.13 | nobre | mwilson , but... if xterm dont get path from anywhere... what is the content when I print 'echo $PATH'... |
| 04:03.15 | nobre | ? |
| 04:03.46 | mwilson | nobre: As I said, the *shell* has a $PATH. |
| 04:04.14 | mwilson | yah |
| 04:04.41 | FlyingPenguin | about that "echo modulename >> /etc/modules" it didn't work when i rebooted. is there a specific place the driver needs to be? |
| 04:04.43 | nobre | mwilson, ooooh.. sorry.. |
| 04:04.48 | nobre | tks a lot |
| 04:04.52 | jorgp_ | what is the best way to print a .ps file from command line? |
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| 04:05.17 | chealer | FlyingPenguin: does modprobe modulename work? |
| 04:05.38 | Hussam | how do update virus definitions for f-prot? |
| 04:05.42 | chealer | jorgp_: I think $ lp foo |
| 04:05.52 | bob2 | Hussam: talk to whoever you bought f-prot from |
| 04:05.57 | FlyingPenguin | chealer: no |
| 04:06.04 | chealer | FlyingPenguin: why? |
| 04:06.15 | bob2 | FlyingPenguin: what driver is it? |
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| 04:06.40 | FlyingPenguin | bob2: hptmv6.ko for my RAID card |
| 04:06.40 | Hussam | bob2: i didn't they offer the .deb for free on their site |
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| 04:06.57 | bob2 | Hussam: and it had no documentation at all? |
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| 04:07.25 | kingsley_ | What's a good way to diagnose why a newly set up NAT/masquerading configuration of iptables hasn't connected a Windows XP box on a private net to the internet at large? |
| 04:07.48 | bob2 | kingsley_: use a known good set of rules |
| 04:07.53 | bob2 | kingsley_: ie install shorewall or ipmasq |
| 04:08.11 | jorgp_ | chealer: that just prints out the .ps code and not the doc |
| 04:09.28 | chealer | jorgp_: heh, sorry, I don't know then |
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| 04:10.56 | kingsley_ | bob2: Thanks. I'll try ipmasq. |
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| 04:12.40 | ethichs | hey so i have this external hard disk connected up via usb...it's configed as sdc which is fine now how do i mount it if it's fat32 ? mount -t vfat /dev/sdc /media/usb |
| 04:12.52 | mae | is there a qt-based browser that uses gecko.. or a way to make konqueror use gecko instead of khtml |
| 04:13.08 | furrywolf | try /dev/sdc1? or cfdisk /dev/sdc to see the partitions? |
| 04:13.21 | bob2 | mae: there was a terrible old hack |
| 04:14.07 | ethichs | ahh kk my bad i try with partition numbers |
| 04:14.29 | mae | bob2: ic.. well gmail renders perfectly in firefox but i can't get it to load in konqueror |
| 04:14.31 | bob2 | mae: I don't know if it exists anymore |
| 04:14.40 | bob2 | mae: right, khtml is way behind gecko |
| 04:14.51 | bob2 | try #debian-kde |
| 04:15.05 | mae | bob: thanks |
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| 04:18.58 | JenClo | hi |
| 04:19.07 | JenClo | I have a problem |
| 04:19.31 | furrywolf | you have a problem, but you're not going to get an answer unless you ask a question. |
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| 04:19.59 | JenClo | yes, i have a problem whith my mplayer |
| 04:20.18 | JenClo | whith de extension .wmv |
| 04:20.25 | bob2 | does spanish require all objects to have ownership? |
| 04:20.33 | bob2 | I notice people sometimes say things like "my mplayer" |
| 04:20.34 | chealer | JenClo: ask #mplayerhq |
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| 04:20.42 | gravity | bob2: Nope |
| 04:21.00 | gravity | You could say "the mplayer" essentially (el mplayer or la mplayer, depending on what sex mplayer is) |
| 04:21.14 | bob2 | hm |
| 04:21.18 | gravity | That's how I would normally say it myself, but I'm a gringo |
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| 04:21.21 | bob2 | I wonder where it comes from then |
| 04:21.36 | gravity | Dunno. Maybe certain dialects of spanish. |
| 04:21.49 | JenClo | jajja!!! ok!!, my english y very bad! |
| 04:21.57 | bob2 | I should ask jordi if it's like that in Valecian |
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| 04:22.07 | bob2 | JenClo: sorry, I wasn't insulting your english, just curious :) |
| 04:22.13 | Gasti | hooooooooooolaaaaaaaaaa |
| 04:22.16 | Gasti | ola |
| 04:22.19 | Gasti | hola |
| 04:22.25 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 04:22.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:22.28 | JenClo | bob2, no problem |
| 04:22.38 | Gasti | saludos desde argentina |
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| 04:22.53 | FlyingPenguin | After compliing a driver usually you do a make install to put the module where it needs to be correct? When I try to do a make install I recieve this error "make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop." is there a way to get around it? |
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| 04:23.23 | bob2 | FlyingPenguin: fix the driver |
| 04:23.40 | bob2 | FlyingPenguin: you can copy the driver manually to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ |
| 04:23.43 | FlyingPenguin | bob2: how do i fix the driver? |
| 04:23.47 | bob2 | find where other raid drivers go |
| 04:24.05 | bob2 | FlyingPenguin: you'd need to fix the makefile to have an install target which puts it in the right place in the kernel driver directory |
| 04:24.07 | trampo | #debian.es |
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| 04:24.36 | FlyingPenguin | bob2: so either do it manually or fix the makefile? |
| 04:24.38 | BlackJudas | Hrrm, I have a winbloze box.. can I somehow copy everything from one fat32 hard drive to another? (ie, if I hook it them up to my deb box?) |
| 04:24.44 | BlackJudas | dd... but then what? |
| 04:24.46 | bob2 | FlyingPenguin: right |
| 04:24.53 | FlyingPenguin | bob2: thanks |
| 04:25.00 | bob2 | BlackJudas: dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 |
| 04:25.10 | bob2 | BlackJudas: but be REALLY REALLY sure you have the right names there |
| 04:25.21 | BlackJudas | bob2, seriously? That simple? ... meh |
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| 04:25.25 | BlackJudas | linux is too hard. |
| 04:25.27 | BlackJudas | :P |
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| 04:25.46 | gravity | Oh but it's so very worth it |
| 04:26.05 | zinx | !be a linux barbie |
| 04:26.06 | dpkg | Aww, linux is hard! Let's go shopping, zinx |
| 04:26.11 | BlackJudas | I thought I had to do some bs=blah magic somehow... |
| 04:26.24 | BlackJudas | haha |
| 04:26.28 | furrywolf | blah! time to try .12-rc4... ever since I installed .12-rc3 I've been having random lockups that seems to correlate to network activity. |
| 04:26.46 | BlackJudas | Holy shizzle, this hard drive sounds like a jet... |
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| 04:27.51 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Random lockups in the installer, or in the installed system? |
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| 04:28.12 | guest_654 | Hello... I´ve installed WinXP in my box, and it has taken over my MBR... I tried to use ntldr to boot my linux partition, but there was no boot loader on that... Can I install a bootloader without losing the data on this partition? |
| 04:28.18 | bob2 | pretty sure d-i doesn't use 2.6.12-rc3, Wyzard ;) |
| 04:28.31 | gravity | guest_654: You can use a LiveCD like knoppix to do that |
| 04:28.41 | Wyzard | bob2: oops, I saw "rc" and my brain jumped to D-I :-) |
| 04:28.46 | furrywolf | heh |
| 04:28.54 | gravity | guest_654: I've never done it myself though, so you should google around to find out exactly how |
| 04:28.55 | furrywolf | no, kernel 2.6.12-rc3. :) |
| 04:28.56 | guest_654 | gravity: I´ve got no live cd.... |
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| 04:29.22 | gravity | guest_654: Sorry, I don't know another way myself. |
| 04:29.46 | furrywolf | every time I run up a bunch of tcp connections (such as opening too many torrents) it's a hard lockup. |
| 04:29.47 | Wyzard | guest_654: The Debian install CD would work |
| 04:30.07 | tcsetattr | thi sis why the install CD is also called the "rescue CD" |
| 04:30.46 | bob2 | furrywolf: what NIC? |
| 04:30.53 | bob2 | the sarge install cd isn't much of a rescue cd |
| 04:31.04 | Wyzard | No, but it's enough to reinstall GRUB |
| 04:31.10 | bob2 | you have to run throught the installation until it picks up the disks, then switch to vt2 |
| 04:31.56 | furrywolf | bob2: eth0: Lite-On 82c168 PNIC rev 32 at 0001c800, 00:C0:F0:3E:1B:0A, IRQ 5. |
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| 04:32.12 | BlackJudas | I've never actually been successful at using jigdo to create the iso's... and yes I've RTFM'ed lots. Therefore I've never seen a Debian "rescue" cd. |
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| 04:32.28 | bob2 | haha |
| 04:32.30 | guest_654 | Wyzard: I´ve got the cd sarge #1 and #2, but when I put the #1 in the drive, and boot it, it gives me at most a shell mounted on a ram disk, and there is no device to my partition |
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| 04:32.39 | bob2 | Acer makes nics now? |
| 04:32.45 | bob2 | guest_654: 14:31:11 bob2 | you have to run throught the installation until it picks up the disks, then switch to vt2 |
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| 04:32.51 | Wyzard | guest_654: It doesn't boot an installer? |
| 04:32.57 | BlackJudas | bob2, that's a linksys card prolly. |
| 04:32.58 | kaushik | test |
| 04:33.41 | guest_654 | Wyzard: Yes, it boots the installer, but wouldn´t the installer scre up my partition if I keep installing it? |
| 04:34.03 | the_freaking_pop | hello, I was trying to upgrade php4, but i am getting an error on one of it's dependancies, (libc6) it is complaining that my kernel revision is greater than 255. How do i force it to contiune installing? |
| 04:34.11 | Wyzard | guest_654: No, you're not actually going to install... but if you switch to the second virtual console, you can get a shell |
| 04:34.40 | Wyzard | guest_654: Go through the first few steps so it loads all the driver modules, but stop short of the partitoning, then switch over to the shell and use it to reinstall GRUB |
| 04:34.40 | bob2 | the_freaking_pop: by "upgrade php4", you mean "install php4 from sarge onto woody"? |
| 04:34.51 | guest_654 | Wyzard: Sure, but within this shell I cannot mount my linux partition, since there is no device that reflects it in the shell |
| 04:35.01 | bob2 | guest_654: read what I said again |
| 04:35.07 | bob2 | guest_654: no, it wont screw it up |
| 04:35.10 | the_freaking_pop | bob2 i mean apt-get install php4 and get the newest stable version |
| 04:35.21 | bob2 | it won't touch it, once you get to the partition stage, switch to vt3 |
| 04:35.28 | Wyzard | guest_654: If you mean that /dev/hda1 or whatever won't work, that's because the driver modules aren't loaded |
| 04:35.43 | bob2 | the_freaking_pop: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood |
| 04:35.44 | tcsetattr | or /dev doesn't exist, and you'll have to mknod things... |
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| 04:36.05 | warnk | i am trying to get my wacom working, kernel loads drivers, i can use it in x, but it's extremely buggy. anyone get the a wacom working right? |
| 04:36.15 | Wyzard | tcsetattr: The installer is quite capable of doing that on its own |
| 04:36.24 | furrywolf | input: Wacom Intuos 9x12 on usb-0000:00:07.3-2.2 |
| 04:36.24 | furrywolf | input: Wacom Intuos 4x5 on usb-0000:00:07.3-2.3 |
| 04:36.24 | furrywolf | input: Wacom Intuos 6x8 on usb-0000:00:07.3-2.4 |
| 04:36.25 | guest_654 | bob2: i´ll try that |
| 04:36.33 | furrywolf | warnk: I have three working. :) |
| 04:36.39 | guest_654 | Wyzard: thanks buddy for your patience |
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| 04:37.30 | furrywolf | chances are the mouse drive is trying to talk to the tablet... in /proc/bus/input/devices, is anything other than wacom listed as a handler for the tablet? |
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| 04:37.55 | furrywolf | it should just have an event interface, and not, say, a mouse interface. |
| 04:38.05 | warnk | furry: and the positions are screwed up? when I put my stylus in the center of the pad, the cursor goes to the bottom right of the screen, on pressure sensitivity in gimp either (i setup the extended inputs too) |
| 04:38.22 | aballek | I have a problem, everytime I restart my machine, all the configurations I made to my KDE desapears, why? |
| 04:38.35 | kingsley | bob2: It seems that ipmasq didn't enable NAT for my private net. Do you happen to have any thoughts on how I might diagnose the problem? |
| 04:38.49 | bob2 | kingsley: what kernel are you using? |
| 04:39.10 | kingsley | bob2: 2.4.27-1-k7 |
| 04:39.18 | warnk | furry: how would i check the handlers? |
| 04:39.34 | furrywolf | warnk: cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 04:39.41 | bob2 | kingsley: define "didn't enable nat". "iptables -t nat -L -v -n" shows no rules at all? |
| 04:39.57 | furrywolf | did you install the linuxwacom drivers, or are you trying to use the default kernel/X drivers? |
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| 04:40.37 | warnk | i put wacom.c into the kernel, from linuxwacom project |
| 04:40.39 | aballek | How can I watch TV with my ATI All in Wonder Radeon? What do I have to do? |
| 04:40.40 | Deb | hola |
| 04:41.28 | warnk | handler is setup as mouse1 for wacom |
| 04:41.30 | Deb | alguien tiene idea de como poner el input para el chino en sarge? |
| 04:41.38 | furrywolf | warnk: did you also use the evdev.c, hid-core.c, and mousedev.c from the linuxwacom drivers? |
| 04:41.48 | aballek | input de que? |
| 04:41.52 | bob2 | Deb: this is pretty clearly not a spanish channel |
| 04:41.54 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 04:41.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:42.03 | warnk | furry: no, how-to just said to copy over wacom.c to the source tree. |
| 04:42.11 | kingsley | My goal is to be able to ping nas.com from the Windows XP box on my private net, through my masquerading linux box and DSL connection. At the moment, the ping's DNS lookup fails. "iptables -t nat -L -v -n" reports one POSTROUTING rule: 0 0 MASQUERADE all -- * eth0 192.168.2.0/24 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 04:42.14 | aballek | claro que si |
| 04:42.15 | Deb | un input para el teclado en el idioma chino |
| 04:42.17 | furrywolf | doesn't tend to work. copy all the files. :) |
| 04:42.34 | bob2 | Deb: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 04:42.41 | warnk | bleh, time for another kernel. |
| 04:42.44 | aballek | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 se configura todo |
| 04:42.48 | jjuarez | gracias |
| 04:42.56 | furrywolf | I'm lazy and use for i in `ls *.c` ; do cp -v $i $(find /usr/src/linux/ -name $i) ; done in the linuxwacom/src/2.6.11/ dir... |
| 04:42.58 | bob2 | kingsley: can you ping ips? can you ping hostnames from the nat machine? |
| 04:43.15 | aballek | How can I watch TV with mi ATI?? |
| 04:43.30 | furrywolf | aballek: google for gatos |
| 04:43.41 | bob2 | aballek: have you checked if your card is supported under linux at all? |
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| 04:43.50 | warnk | furry: i just switched over from ubuntu though, and I used the same method |
| 04:44.09 | furrywolf | warnk: also make sure you copy the linuxwacom X driver over the default one... |
| 04:44.19 | kingsley | bob2: Before installing ipmasq, I was able to ping the nat/linux machine's IP and I can ping nas.com from the NAT/linux machine. |
| 04:44.20 | aballek | I dont now but there are people how do have TV with ATI |
| 04:44.22 | trampo | espa?ol |
| 04:44.34 | aballek | no, español en #debian-es |
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| 04:44.51 | trampo | ok |
| 04:44.57 | warnk | furry: yup, did that. |
| 04:45.06 | furrywolf | warnk: this is a kernel problem... the mouse driver instead of the wacom drive is trying to talk to the tablet... copying all the .c files tends to fix it. :) |
| 04:45.20 | bob2 | kingsley: you can't ping the gateway from the windows machine? |
| 04:45.26 | warnk | furry: alright, i'll give it a wing. |
| 04:45.31 | furrywolf | out of curriosity, what tablet do you have? |
| 04:45.49 | warnk | graphire 4x5 |
| 04:45.50 | FlyingPenguin | ok probably my last question of the night, is there a way to reduce the amount that mkfs reserves for root? |
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| 04:46.04 | bob2 | FlyingPenguin: I'm not sure, but tune2fs lets you modify it later |
| 04:46.12 | FlyingPenguin | neato thanks |
| 04:46.22 | furrywolf | flying: yes, and tune2fs can do it if you already mkfs'ed it. |
| 04:46.34 | warnk | furry: lol. yeah, i don't think my wallet would like me too much though. |
| 04:46.46 | furrywolf | mkfs -m lets you set the percentage when you mkfs |
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| 04:47.27 | furrywolf | the default is 5%, which is a bit excessive... do I really need 10GB reserved for root? :) |
| 04:47.45 | furrywolf | warnk: heh. same here. plus I can't draw worth crap. :) |
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| 04:48.15 | kingsley | bob2: Assuming that "gateway" = NAT/linux box, I'm happy to report that after rebooting the gateway/linux/NAT box, I can ping it from the Windows XP box again if I address it by IP. |
| 04:48.22 | warnk | lol |
| 04:48.39 | furrywolf | I got these tablets used... pretty good prices for all of them. |
| 04:49.11 | kingsley | bob2: That ping temporarily stopped working after installing ipmasq, but booting seems to have fixed it. |
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| 04:49.19 | bob2 | odd |
| 04:49.39 | bob2 | kingsley: now, start pinging the ip of google |
| 04:49.51 | bob2 | kingsley: and run the iptables command I gave you a couple of times...does the packet count increase? |
| 04:49.54 | furrywolf | if you can draw, I'd recommend finding a 6x8 intuos... the 4x5, at least for me, is too small. and the intuos has a much smooth feel to it. (plus GIMP makes use of the pen tilt angle and other fun things the graphire lacks) |
| 04:50.17 | warnk | yeah, 4x5 is a bit small |
| 04:50.34 | kingsley | bob2: Which box would you like me to ping from? XP or linux/NAT/gateway? |
| 04:50.46 | furrywolf | and whatever you do, don't get an aiptek/hyperpen/medion/other crap wacom clone. they suck. :) |
| 04:50.49 | bob2 | kingsley: from xp, run iptables on the gateway |
| 04:51.03 | warnk | i didn't know if i was going to use it that much though, so I got the cheapest one. hehe |
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| 04:51.24 | furrywolf | always a good plan. I paid $5 for my graphire. gave it away to someone when I got my intuos. :) |
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| 04:51.48 | warnk | haha, i was actually thinking about the aiptek at one point, but decided cheap prolly wasn't the way to go. lol |
| 04:51.58 | warnk | $5 ?? damn. |
| 04:52.21 | mortal_ | anyone here use a wrt54g router with sveasoft firmware? |
| 04:53.10 | zinx | sveasoft is evil. |
| 04:53.13 | jetscreamer | sveasoft? |
| 04:53.23 | furrywolf | I have both a 6x8 and a 9x12 aiptek... the new shiny usb ones... the pen doesn't erase (they look like they have an eraser on the back, but it's just a decoration), is topheavy as hell with the battery, has marginal accuracy, and just generically feels like a cheap product. :) |
| 04:53.29 | aballek | what is the difference between two kernels like 2.4.27 and 2.6.8?? |
| 04:53.42 | furrywolf | (paid $15 for the 9x12 aiptek, $4 for the 6x8 aiptek... the joys of ebay) |
| 04:53.43 | zinx | jetscreamer: GPL abusing company (distribute only to subscribers, and cancel subscriptions of subscribers who redistribute) |
| 04:53.44 | bob2 | aballek: different versions. there are large differences between the. |
| 04:54.01 | jetscreamer | !2.6.8 - 2.4.27 |
| 04:54.01 | dpkg | 0.2 |
| 04:54.11 | furrywolf | lol |
| 04:54.36 | warnk | i didn't even realize the wacom had no batteries, till i went to use it |
| 04:54.42 | kingsley | bob2: "iptables -t nat -L -v -n" reports three packet counts. PREROUTING increases without running ping and OUTPUT and POSTROUTING, which has a rule, don't change. |
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| 04:54.56 | bob2 | how odd |
| 04:55.05 | bob2 | kingsley: sure you told ipmasq to use the right interface? |
| 04:55.13 | aballek | bob2, Wil I get an improvmento ore something if I install 2.6.8 |
| 04:55.23 | bob2 | kingsley: sure you don't have INPUT/OUTPUT rules that could block things? |
| 04:55.25 | aballek | because I have 2.4.27 |
| 04:55.40 | furrywolf | warnk: I've been happy with my old Intuos tablets... the Intuos2 ones don't seem any different. the Intuos3 ones, however, have uber-cool looking touchpad strips... but they cost more than I paid for my car. :) |
| 04:56.00 | kingsley | bob2: Good question. The short answer is no, I'm not, and I found it suspicious that the installation script asked me about ppp, because I normally use eth0. |
| 04:56.13 | bob2 | aballek: not really |
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| 04:56.29 | warnk | lol, better take out a loan |
| 04:56.42 | aballek | bob2, mmm, what is going to happen if I do that? |
| 04:57.22 | furrywolf | nah. if some day I actually discover I'm not artistically challanged, and actually produce something that doesn't look like what a 2 year old might scribble on the bedroom wallpaper with a ball point pen, then I'll consider buying one. :) |
| 04:57.50 | bob2 | aballek: not much |
| 04:57.55 | warnk | hahaha |
| 04:58.41 | warnk | lol. just be glad you don't need photoshop on top of it :) |
| 04:58.55 | furrywolf | gimp > photoshop. :P |
| 04:59.24 | kingsley | bob2: What would you think of my trying "dpkg-reconfigure ipmasq"? |
| 04:59.27 | zinx | furrywolf: i just use filters and such |
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| 04:59.39 | zinx | furrywolf: can't draw worth a doink |
| 04:59.40 | bob2 | kingsley: might help |
| 04:59.43 | tolkenz | alguien que hable español? |
| 04:59.52 | furrywolf | zinx: join the club. :) |
| 04:59.58 | bob2 | kingsley: if you're using dsl with pppoe, tho, ppp0 is the interface you want things masq'd over |
| 05:00.00 | furrywolf | !+spanish |
| 05:00.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:00.13 | tolkenz | thanks! |
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| 05:01.08 | zinx | furrywolf: <plug>http://zinx.xmms.org/art/</plug> <- fun with filters |
| 05:01.44 | furrywolf | I don't have anything I've ever "drawn" online... none of it is worth showing to other people. :) |
| 05:01.56 | kingsley | bob2: I was surprised to see that I'd want to use ppp0. My DSL connection is eth0. To the best of my knowledge, ppp0 is merely left over from when I used a 33K modem. |
| 05:02.12 | bob2 | kingsley: you're not using ppp0? |
| 05:02.14 | bob2 | er, pppoe. |
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| 05:04.00 | kingsley | bob2: My understanding is that the DSL modem/gateway communicates with my ISP with a ppp-like protocol. And, I can still use ppp0 when the phone company's DSL service goes down. Having said that, the linux/nat box communicates with the net through eth0. |
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| 05:04.13 | aballek | What can I do with my KDE, everytiem I reboot my machine, all my configurations are gone? |
| 05:04.14 | d03boy | whats the easiest way to set up an ftpd? I just need it for transferring files from my other computer to this one |
| 05:04.15 | kingsley | s/communicates/almost always communicates/ |
| 05:04.24 | furrywolf | aballek: #kde |
| 05:04.29 | michal__ | hmm.. how can i get version information from a cisco ios device? |
| 05:04.43 | furrywolf | zinx: I'd love to be able to draw, but just suck. :( |
| 05:04.45 | kingsley | bob2: Does that make sense? |
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| 05:05.11 | peaceyall | how do i burn a .nrg file to cd in debian? |
| 05:05.17 | bob2 | michal__: #cisco |
| 05:05.20 | zinx | furrywolf: well, don't bother drawing.. let the computer draw for you :P |
| 05:05.23 | bob2 | peaceyall: convert it to a useful format with nero |
| 05:05.34 | d03boy | peaceyall, ya, thats a nero image |
| 05:05.36 | bob2 | kingsley: right, so the modem is a router, not a bridge. |
| 05:05.40 | peaceyall | i know it is |
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| 05:05.47 | lehel | hello |
| 05:05.54 | peaceyall | i tried using nrg2iso to convert it to iso but it sas not a valid image |
| 05:06.05 | peaceyall | not in the converting porcess |
| 05:06.20 | furrywolf | zinx: bah. not what I'm interested in. :) |
| 05:06.21 | peaceyall | when i want to write it , k3b sas cannot use image |
| 05:06.22 | peaceyall | :/ |
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| 05:06.38 | cafuego | Use nero for Linux, you get that for free with your nero for windows copy. |
| 05:06.40 | aballek | ok |
| 05:06.54 | zinx | furrywolf: heh :) |
| 05:06.58 | peaceyall | i have NeroLinux |
| 05:07.00 | lehel | have anybody heard about zaptel driver for a Wildcard ? |
| 05:07.06 | peaceyall | but it doesnt detect my writer |
| 05:07.07 | peaceyall | :/ |
| 05:07.11 | lehel | cannot load module.. |
| 05:07.23 | lehel | line 0: Unable to open master device '/dev/zap/ctl' |
| 05:07.47 | d03boy | what kind of ftp server capabilites does deb have as default? |
| 05:07.59 | bob2 | none |
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| 05:08.03 | cafuego | d03boy: You can choose between 5 or so different ftp servers. |
| 05:08.04 | bob2 | because ftp is a crap protocol |
| 05:08.15 | bob2 | if you insist on using it, there are half a dozen of them an apt-get away |
| 05:08.19 | d03boy | bob2, lol... what do you suggest? |
| 05:08.22 | furrywolf | zinx: I've decided I'd like to practice with colored pencils... but never get the time to do so. right now I have a few minutes of spare time, but the fucking dimwit asshole neighbor has the TV cranked up so bloody loud there's no way I could do anything involving concentration. |
| 05:08.26 | cafuego | d03boy: They all require you to install them first, though. |
| 05:08.36 | kingsley | bob2: Here's the harware and protocols: WinXP <-> eth1 <-> Linux/NAT <-> eth0 <-> DSL-gateway <-> pppoe? <-> phone-company. |
| 05:08.43 | bob2 | d03boy: http. |
| 05:09.01 | bob2 | kingsley: ok |
| 05:09.03 | d03boy | seriously? I thought ftp was designed to transfer files :| |
| 05:09.08 | d03boy | i mean, obviously it is |
| 05:09.09 | kingsley | bob2: My problem is that traffic on eth1 doesn't seem to be forwarded to eth0 and DSL. |
| 05:09.17 | d03boy | but... i wouldnt think http would work better |
| 05:09.25 | cafuego | kingsley: sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 05:09.33 | bob2 | kingsley: what does "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" print? |
| 05:09.39 | bob2 | d03boy: explain what you're hoping to do |
| 05:09.49 | furrywolf | bob2: probably 0. :) |
| 05:09.53 | warnk | lol |
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| 05:10.28 | furrywolf | it's late. I want to go to bed. but can't until about midnight when he usually turns the crap off... |
| 05:10.32 | d03boy | bob2, I just want to transfer all of my music to this computer (the linux computer) |
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| 05:11.11 | warnk | d03: take the hard drive out and mount in the other puter |
| 05:11.12 | cafuego | bdlug66: stop that |
| 05:11.13 | warnk | :) |
| 05:11.13 | dondelelcaro | bdlug66: don't do that again, please. |
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| 05:11.25 | bdlug66 | i could not understand |
| 05:11.31 | bob2 | d03boy: well, ftps fine for that then |
| 05:11.34 | bdlug66 | my nick is owned by some one |
| 05:11.37 | cafuego | bdlug66: Don't click it if you don't know what it does. |
| 05:11.42 | bdlug66 | soi have to /nick bdlug66 |
| 05:11.43 | bob2 | d03boy: the big problems with ftp are going through nat, and it's insecurity |
| 05:11.49 | kingsley | cafuego: I tried the sysctl command, without result. |
| 05:11.54 | bdlug66 | to ensure i give /me |
| 05:11.56 | bdlug66 | :) |
| 05:11.59 | starscalling | does anyone know about soundblaster 2 cards? |
| 05:12.02 | kingsley | bob2: 1. |
| 05:12.10 | starscalling | i think my sound drivers are all fuxxored |
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| 05:12.17 | bob2 | kingsley: ok |
| 05:12.22 | cafuego | kingsley: didn't show anyhting or printed an error? |
| 05:12.24 | starscalling | is there a way to purge all of them alsa and oss and reinstall or something? |
| 05:12.28 | cisco | hello |
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| 05:12.34 | cisco | !beer everyone |
| 05:12.36 | bob2 | starscalling: how could they be broken? |
| 05:12.41 | d03boy | setting up an apache server or something would be safer than ftP? |
| 05:12.46 | starscalling | well |
| 05:12.49 | starscalling | let me see here |
| 05:12.50 | kingsley | cafuego: It echoed "net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1" |
| 05:12.53 | bob2 | cafuego: have you been to the belgian beer cafe in melbourne? |
| 05:12.58 | starscalling | in windows i had a record channel etc |
| 05:12.58 | bdlug66 | i could not find the /path/to/kde/kde-cvs/kde-common/admin admin |
| 05:13.00 | bdlug66 | dir |
| 05:13.02 | bdlug66 | :( |
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| 05:13.13 | starscalling | in linux its not findable with any of the sound drivers/mixers that i have put in |
| 05:13.14 | bdlug66 | anyone know abt where is it sarge |
| 05:13.18 | bob2 | bdlug66: #debian-kde |
| 05:13.29 | starscalling | and its killing me because i cant skype unless i can kill that one chan |
| 05:13.30 | cafuego | bob2: I've been past it about amillion times, but I don't like beer enough to actually go in (besides, belgian beer is a dime a dozen in holland) |
| 05:13.39 | starscalling | im running gnome/debian |
| 05:13.41 | cisco | bdlug66: try, locate admin | more |
| 05:14.11 | cafuego | kingsley: yes, that's what iut's supposed to do. |
| 05:14.31 | cisco | wassup people |
| 05:14.54 | warnk | kingsley: you have nat setup through iptables? |
| 05:14.54 | cisco | !weed everybody |
| 05:14.58 | bob2 | cafuego: hah, right |
| 05:15.16 | furrywolf | cisco: what do we look like, #knoppix? |
| 05:15.19 | cafuego | bob2: (also, St Kilda is on the wrong side of the river ;-) |
| 05:15.34 | bob2 | haha |
| 05:15.35 | cisco | furrywolf i cant see you, i dunno |
| 05:15.54 | furrywolf | if you want beer and weed, try them. :P |
| 05:15.55 | kingsley | warnk: Thanks for asking. I'm trying to set up NAT. My first attempt was by using iptables commands directly and more recently, by installing ipmasq. |
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| 05:16.04 | cafuego | cisco: We gave up weed when we left high school in the eighties, go hand it out elsewhere |
| 05:16.08 | cisco | furrywolf i dont want it, i was sharing |
| 05:16.26 | cisco | cafuego: point taken |
| 05:16.35 | infinity1 | i could use some chocoate |
| 05:16.37 | cafuego | !wine me |
| 05:16.40 | infinity1 | ...to go with my weed stash |
| 05:16.43 | hugo | with which age do you normally graduate from highschool and from college in the states? |
| 05:16.44 | cisco | lol |
| 05:17.07 | cisco | hugo 18 |
| 05:17.13 | hugo | a college degree is not a university degree, right |
| 05:17.20 | hugo | college is 18? |
| 05:17.23 | cisco | samething |
| 05:17.27 | cisco | high school 18 |
| 05:17.27 | infinity1 | hugo college is uni |
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| 05:17.33 | cisco | college 23 |
| 05:17.42 | cisco | with a BS |
| 05:17.43 | hugo | sure? |
| 05:17.45 | cisco | yes |
| 05:17.51 | cisco | im 23 |
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| 05:18.00 | cisco | just getting my BA |
| 05:18.17 | hugo | and do I say masters degree or master degree? |
| 05:18.20 | bob2 | depends where you are |
| 05:18.27 | bob2 | college here is years 11 & 12 |
| 05:18.29 | cafuego | depends on if you have one |
| 05:18.29 | warnk | kingsley: I haven't used ipmasq, I usually use iptables, never had too many problems |
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| 05:18.41 | kingsley | Could xinetd thward iptables? |
| 05:18.51 | warnk | kingsley: errr... besides locking myself out of my own server about 5 times. |
| 05:18.51 | cafuego | bob2: what, in canberra? |
| 05:18.51 | kingsley | s/thward/thwart/ |
| 05:18.54 | cisco | furrywolf hahahahah |
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| 05:19.05 | bob2 | cafuego: yup |
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| 05:19.08 | warnk | hahaha |
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| 05:19.16 | cafuego | bob2: coz in melbourne it's not |
| 05:19.18 | cisco | furrywolf you need to find a niche |
| 05:19.43 | furrywolf | cisco: I used to teach CE, which was fun, but got fired for refusing to let the department head ruin my class... |
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| 05:19.53 | cisco | CE? |
| 05:19.58 | furrywolf | computer engineering |
| 05:20.01 | cisco | ahh |
| 05:20.07 | cisco | sucks |
| 05:20.08 | cafuego | a college here is a building on a uni campus, housing students |
| 05:20.30 | infinity1 | cafuego: sounds like what we'd call a dorm here |
| 05:20.36 | cisco | furrywolf im studying for my ccie, i passed the writen |
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| 05:21.01 | cisco | s/writen/written |
| 05:21.10 | cisco | hahah |
| 05:21.28 | cisco | sirc? |
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| 05:21.39 | furrywolf | I tried to make the class interesting and educational... the department wanted to turn it into a little-robot-training-center. 1/10th the material, with 100 times the homework. and all of it pointless busywork of the "do X, now do X 50 more times with different numbers" variety. wrote the department head a letter with just what I thought of the changes... next day my keycodes stopped working. |
| 05:21.46 | furrywolf | ccie? |
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| 05:22.01 | infinity1 | cisco: how many ccies are there now? |
| 05:22.09 | furrywolf | cafuego: having a pair of faux fur ears and a big bushy tail makes me a freak? :P |
| 05:22.39 | cisco | infinity1 last i herd around 12k |
| 05:22.47 | cafuego | furrywolf: No, but the fact that you were skinned and turned into a hat 2 weeks ago, yet still speak, does. |
| 05:22.50 | cisco | furrywolf ccie = cisco cert. internet expert |
| 05:23.04 | cisco | furrywolf sucks man. |
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| 05:23.13 | infinity1 | cisco: damn. thats a lot since last i heard. |
| 05:23.34 | cisco | infinity1 yes, but its still a low number, because every two years it expires |
| 05:23.47 | furrywolf | cisco: how do you do optimal routing in an infinite ad-hoc wireless network, where any and all nodes/routers may be moving or may vanish at any time, without broadcast flooding route changes? :) |
| 05:24.11 | cisco | furrywolf lol ad-hoc |
| 05:24.30 | cisco | furrywolf i would think you should use wlccp and swan |
| 05:24.32 | infinity1 | cisco: i took the ccna 5 years ago.... hmm..i use to want a ccie :) ..but decided it was too much work. heh |
| 05:24.33 | d03boy | bob2, what should I use instead of ftp? |
| 05:24.55 | cisco | infinity1 im almost heading the same way as you, im getting burntout |
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| 05:25.32 | infinity1 | cisco: i enjoyed it, but to me, there are better ways to make six figures. |
| 05:25.54 | patterson | start with 7 . open a restraunt |
| 05:25.56 | BlackJudas | bob2, remember when you said to do "dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1" ... does it matter that the destination drive is larger? |
| 05:25.59 | mrgenixus | how do I completely remove apache, appache-ssl tomcat all of the libapache-mod packages an all of the config files for them, then reinstall them and make them all work? is there a how-to somewhere? |
| 05:26.11 | cisco | infinity1 how? |
| 05:26.13 | mrgenixus | I think I've broken everything |
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| 05:26.28 | bob2 | BlackJudas: I think it'll work, and just have unused space on the end |
| 05:26.33 | cisco | infinity1 its not easy, for me at least, to make 6 figs |
| 05:26.37 | mrgenixus | I'm trying to get laszlo (http://openlaszlo.org) to work, as well as a couple of other things |
| 05:26.38 | infinity1 | cisco: loan officer, real esate, business. |
| 05:26.38 | bob2 | d03boy: use ftp if you want, it doesn't matter that much if it's a local network |
| 05:26.41 | BlackJudas | bob2, I should format it fat32 first you figure? |
| 05:26.45 | infinity1 | cisco: all kinds of things. |
| 05:26.50 | mrgenixus | hello? |
| 05:26.51 | cisco | infinity1 yeah |
| 05:26.54 | infinity1 | cisco: whats the average pay for a ccie these days anyway? |
| 05:27.01 | furrywolf | cisco: say you have 100,000 people with wireless cards in their laptops, in a city. you want to form a completely wireless network between them. assume all nodes have reasonable cpu and memory available for routing purposes. Alice in the downtown coffee shop wants to send a pornopgraphic picture of herself in a fursuit to Bob at a northtown coffee shop. How do you route this without broadcast flooding? :) |
| 05:27.02 | d03boy | ok then, I supposed I should figure out what ftp server I want to use |
| 05:27.04 | cisco | infinity1 ehh, 100k |
| 05:27.06 | bob2 | BlackJudas: er, if you copy partitions, the sizes do have to be the same |
| 05:27.14 | bob2 | BlackJudas: if you copy the whole disk, it doesn't matter |
| 05:27.24 | kingsley | warnk, bob2 and cafuego: Do you suppose I may need to add a route? |
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| 05:27.32 | cisco | furrywolf what the fuck |
| 05:27.35 | BlackJudas | ahh ... so dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb ... should work then? |
| 05:27.41 | BlackJudas | meh shit... |
| 05:27.45 | BlackJudas | no that won't work. |
| 05:27.47 | punsad | anyone know of any good linux apps to look at battery life on a laptop? |
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| 05:28.00 | mrgenixus | furrywolf: why would you need to broadcast flood to do that in the first place |
| 05:28.02 | infinity1 | furry: tell em to get an asn for bgp and get a donut downstairs |
| 05:28.02 | cisco | furrywolf lol, a wirelss infrastructure works the same as a wired. routing protocols. |
| 05:28.08 | KerPlunk | punsad: What kind of a laptop? |
| 05:28.09 | mrgenixus | and secondly, that'd require a pretty big subnet |
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| 05:28.17 | warnk | kingsley: what does 'route' output? |
| 05:28.21 | BlackJudas | furrywolf, simple... just fax it. |
| 05:28.22 | benjamindees | furrywolf, with a backbone of course |
| 05:28.23 | mds | is there a way to install debian on a box with an old redhat on it? Remotely without console access? Only one partition, but with plenty of free space... |
| 05:28.26 | mrgenixus | if it was all the same broadcast domain, |
| 05:28.26 | bob2 | punsad: "acpi" and the gnome battery applet work fine |
| 05:28.27 | punsad | KerPlunk: thinkpad 570E... just got it last thursday... |
| 05:28.37 | bob2 | mds: no unpartitioned space? |
| 05:28.54 | kingsley | warnk: "route" outputs five routes. I'll paste them to #flood |
| 05:28.55 | mds | bob2: nope, unfortunately. |
| 05:28.59 | cisco | furrywolf you know what routing protocols are? |
| 05:29.04 | punsad | bob2: thanks... I'll check that out. |
| 05:29.07 | mrgenixus | and second -- yeah, routing protocol much, maybe a wins server for registering host-names? or server-based dhcp with integrated DNS |
| 05:29.13 | bob2 | mds: debtakeover, or set it up in a chroot |
| 05:29.20 | furrywolf | cisco: these are people with laptops. they may move around the city randomly or vanish. all links are low-bandwidth, short-range. you have to route it through, say, 50 nodes to get from one coffee shop to the other. |
| 05:29.21 | mds | bob2: this box is at a colo, they installed rh7 years ago, and now I'm trying to manage it -- it's *woefully* out of date. |
| 05:29.40 | cisco | furrywolf lol man |
| 05:29.58 | punsad | bob2: would lsmod tell me if I've got acpi? is that a kernel module? |
| 05:30.00 | mrgenixus | furrywolf: again: why? |
| 05:30.01 | furrywolf | classed routing is obviously useless, and ospf would never keep track of the routing changes of mobile nodes... |
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| 05:30.06 | infinity1 | furry: thats why there is an edge and a core? |
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| 05:30.24 | shingouz | punsad: With such an old laptop you have, apmd sounds like a better idea |
| 05:30.27 | bob2 | punsad: it's lots of kernel modules |
| 05:30.29 | cisco | furrywolf i have worked on 50 cisco 1231's access points in a 10 story building, making it seem as one BIG access point |
| 05:30.30 | infinity1 | lol |
| 05:30.36 | bob2 | punsad: how old is the machine? |
| 05:30.37 | kingsley | warnk: Do you happen to have any thoughts about "route"'s output? |
| 05:31.17 | furrywolf | mrgenixus: because semi-impossible questions are fun. :P |
| 05:31.23 | punsad | bob2: Dunno exactly... it's got a PIII 500MHz processor. Got the Win2000/98 sticker on it. I expect no newer than 6yrs |
| 05:31.59 | bob2 | punsad: as shingouz says, apm is probably a better move |
| 05:32.03 | cisco | furrywolf http://cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps4570/products_command_reference_chapter09186a0080341fa0.html look at wlccp and swan http://cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/wireless/ps4570/products_command_reference_chapter09186a0080341ee7.html#wp2510979 |
| 05:32.28 | punsad | thanks bob2, shingouz... |
| 05:32.54 | cisco | furrywolf basically there are wireless protocols to make an infinite number or ap's into one |
| 05:33.04 | shingouz | punsad: One you are a bit more familiar with linux and how it is made to work, make yourself a custom kernel with the Thinkpad modules too, you will get all kinds of neat functionality on the Thinkpad. Disabling the serial and infrared etc |
| 05:33.13 | warnk | kingsley: err... give me the output of 'route -n', sorry. |
| 05:33.26 | mds | bob2: debtakeover sounds like just the ticket, have you used it? |
| 05:33.27 | infinity1 | cisco: is this on the access point or core that does that? |
| 05:33.30 | punsad | I'm actually quite pleased with it... It's running sarge kernel 2.6.8-2-386 nicelt |
| 05:33.31 | furrywolf | no access points. this question does not assume the existance of an internet. all you have are 100,000 laptops with wireless cards of your design. :P |
| 05:33.36 | cisco | infinity1 the access point |
| 05:33.40 | punsad | s/nicelt/nicely/ |
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| 05:33.46 | cisco | infinity1 the core is a normal wired network |
| 05:33.49 | shingouz | punsad: Isnt the cpu a P1? |
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| 05:34.07 | d03boy | since when is setting up an ftp server so difficult :( |
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| 05:34.20 | punsad | shingouz: no... this is a 570E. it says PIII 500MHz when I boot up, too. |
| 05:34.24 | infinity1 | cisco: so the only way to do it is with expensive APs ... |
| 05:34.30 | cisco | furrywolf you wanna hit of my blunt? its chronic. |
| 05:34.37 | punsad | It's a damn snappy laptop |
| 05:34.38 | cisco | infinity1 prolly |
| 05:34.40 | shingouz | punsad: Ok, upgrade to a 686 kernel then |
| 05:34.43 | furrywolf | lol |
| 05:35.04 | benjamindees | furrywolf, you use gps and phased antenna arrays to create an ad-hoc backbone |
| 05:35.10 | punsad | shingouz: will do |
| 05:35.35 | punsad | this whole linux on a laptop is a new thing for me... it rocks! |
| 05:35.47 | cisco | punsad linux whoops ass! |
| 05:35.52 | BlackJudas | punsad, heh I had the same "feeling" a few weeks back. |
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| 05:36.13 | furrywolf | benjamindees: a backbone would be a bad idea, as we're assuming low bandwidth links between only moderate computing hardware. have to spread the load across the network or you'll get evil congestion. :) |
| 05:36.14 | warnk | kingsley: what are you entering for iptables? |
| 05:36.21 | bob2 | mds: no |
| 05:36.24 | BlackJudas | Finding out that supporting the hardware via GPL drivers is next to impossible... priceless... |
| 05:36.28 | cisco | furrywolf man, stop smoking crack |
| 05:36.35 | bob2 | mds: I'd be very wary of running it on a remote machine, too |
| 05:36.37 | furrywolf | lol |
| 05:36.37 | punsad | I'm mean... I've been running linux on a small server for a while now... never thought it'd get to the ease of use it has |
| 05:36.42 | furrywolf | I had to answer the question once |
| 05:36.51 | cisco | furrywolf its coo |
| 05:36.56 | furrywolf | as an unanswerable question... |
| 05:37.01 | cisco | hahahhaa |
| 05:37.09 | punsad | thanks all |
| 05:37.12 | cisco | furrywolf why do you like to make things hard? |
| 05:37.24 | benjamindees | furrywolf, but the bandwidth limit is the spectrum, so if you can only broadcast the same amount of info to multiple users as to one |
| 05:37.27 | shingouz | cisco: He is a canine... ;) |
| 05:37.37 | mds | bob2: yaar. but I've *got* to update this machine, or I'll... I'll... explode, I think. =( |
| 05:37.41 | kingsley | warnk: At the moment, I'm relying on the rules in the ipmasq package. If you'd like, I can show you the output of "iptables -t nat -L". |
| 05:37.59 | bob2 | mds: how screwed will you be if it fucks up? |
| 05:38.00 | cisco | hey, who hacked google dns the other weekend? |
| 05:38.08 | bob2 | do you at least have a serial console to it? |
| 05:38.09 | bob2 | cisco: no one |
| 05:38.12 | cisco | i couldnt get my damn gmail |
| 05:38.12 | furrywolf | I came up with a remarkably ugly protocol that used probabilities of a node being still around, explicit congestion notification, and other ugly things... |
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| 05:38.24 | benjamindees | furrywolf, besides, directional antennas fix that |
| 05:38.34 | cisco | bob2 noone... so they say.. |
| 05:38.36 | warnk | kingsley: sure. |
| 05:38.49 | kingsley | warnk: See #flood |
| 05:39.37 | cisco | what is that bullshit when you whois google.com |
| 05:39.41 | cisco | GOOGLE.COM.HAS.LESS.FREE.PORN.IN.ITS.SEARCH.ENGINE.THAN.SECZY.COM |
| 05:39.52 | shingouz | heh |
| 05:40.02 | cisco | shingouz: whois google.com |
| 05:40.40 | cisco | how many servers is google up to now???? |
| 05:40.41 | shingouz | wooo. neat |
| 05:40.43 | furrywolf | ben: the problem isn't the physical layer... we'll assume that all works, and every node knows which nodes it's in range of. the problem is how to get a packet from one side of town to the other, possibly routing through a 50 or more of these nodes. the obvious protocol is to broadcast flood the packets to the entire network, but that obviously scales very poorly, as does flooding with routing updates, as the majority of nodes will be m |
| 05:40.45 | cisco | 200k |
| 05:40.48 | bob2 | cisco: um, that would be you not understanding how dns works |
| 05:40.56 | bob2 | cisco: that's a problem with you, not with dns |
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| 05:41.14 | cisco | bob2 lol |
| 05:41.16 | bob2 | cisco: when you run "whois blah.com", the whois server tells you about ALL records containing the string "blah.com" |
| 05:41.19 | cisco | bob2 that was a good one |
| 05:41.24 | kingsley | warnk: Thanks in advance for your time and attention. |
| 05:41.27 | bob2 | cisco: including the spam records added by random idiots |
| 05:41.36 | cisco | bob2 ahhh i see |
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| 05:41.39 | mrgenixus | I guess nobdy knows about web ervers |
| 05:41.43 | benjamindees | furrywolf, ah, redundancy |
| 05:41.47 | mrgenixus | what chan deals with web servers? |
| 05:41.47 | bob2 | cisco: that line you got was not in the google record, it was in the record for SECZY.COM |
| 05:41.58 | jm_ | mrgenixus: nope, nobody - that's why there are so few on the net |
| 05:41.59 | bob2 | mrgenixus: you haven't asked for help with web servers |
| 05:42.02 | cisco | bob2 my bad |
| 05:42.08 | bob2 | mrgenixus: you've told us "I screwed up, how do I reinstall everything" |
| 05:42.13 | warnk | kingsley: hehe, np, |
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| 05:42.23 | cisco | mrgenixus rm -rf / |
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| 05:42.29 | bob2 | mrgenixus: sudo apt-get --purge remove apache apache2 ... |
| 05:42.31 | cisco | mrgenixus to erase everything |
| 05:42.31 | shingouz | cisco: Not fun |
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| 05:42.45 | cisco | shingouz you ever done it? |
| 05:42.51 | mrgenixus | hey cisco |
| 05:42.56 | mrgenixus | you think you're pretty funn huh |
| 05:42.56 | cisco | hey mrgenixus |
| 05:43.02 | cisco | not being funny |
| 05:43.02 | furrywolf | cisco: whois bushytails.net if you want funny things actually returned for the right domain. :) |
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| 05:43.17 | shingouz | cisco: Nope, i use other means but such "advice" is not really good on this channel |
| 05:43.31 | benjamindees | furrywolf, I don't know the limits, but my understanding is with precise enough geographical info (gps) and a good enough phased array, you can make a waveform peak appear just about wherever you want |
| 05:43.32 | esoteric | did I mention how much I hate comcast? |
| 05:43.41 | cisco | shingouz i apologize |
| 05:43.47 | benjamindees | furrywolf, no routing necessary :) |
| 05:43.53 | cisco | shingouz i wasnt trying to trick anybody |
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| 05:44.00 | furrywolf | "Registration Service Provider: This company may be contacted for domain login/passwords, DNS/Nameserver changes, anything related to bushy tails or pointy ears, and general domain support questions." :) |
| 05:44.05 | cisco | furrywolf BROADCAST |
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| 05:44.25 | mrgenixus | bob2: thanks, any idea what order to install things so that apache gets configured so that I can get j2ee and tomcat / jakarta, php, and ssl to all play nice? |
| 05:44.28 | shingouz | cisco: The point is that on this channel there are n00bs who actually may do that and hose their system just because someone is a smartass and gives bad advice |
| 05:44.29 | furrywolf | cisco: broadcast doesn't scale. I mentioned that about one screen up. :P |
| 05:44.46 | bob2 | mrgenixus: shouldn't matter at all |
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| 05:44.47 | mds | bob2: so do you know if there's a safer way than debtakeover? |
| 05:44.56 | bob2 | mds: make a chroot and boot into it |
| 05:45.03 | cisco | furrywolf invisible broadcast |
| 05:45.09 | bob2 | mds: or, better still, don't boot into it, just move stuff in there |
| 05:45.18 | cisco | shingouz i apologize again. |
| 05:45.19 | mrgenixus | bob2: ok, any idea where to start to fix things, rather than just clean and reinstall? |
| 05:45.25 | furrywolf | ben: if you want to build an antenna like that, capable of transmitting miles, into a pcmcia card, be my guest. :) |
| 05:45.33 | bob2 | mds: how screwed are you if this doesn't work? can you drive to the colo? |
| 05:45.33 | cisco | furrywolf invisible broadcast |
| 05:45.39 | bob2 | mrgenixus: I don't know what you've done |
| 05:45.40 | shingouz | cisco: No problem |
| 05:46.02 | mrgenixus | bob2 yeah that's true, but then, niether do I |
| 05:46.11 | kingsley | warnk: I noticed that the *verbose* output of iptables (iptables -t nat -L -v) shows two similar rules for packets originating from the private net (192.168.2.0/24). The first rule seems to correclty send packets to eth0, however, the second rule seems to route packets to tap0, which is a left over and rarely used artifact of a package that automatically brought up my 33K dialup modem's ppp connection, diald. I'm wondering if having tap0 around con |
| 05:46.11 | kingsley | fused ipmasq's install script(s). |
| 05:46.15 | mrgenixus | maybe I should get back to the LCD and come back |
| 05:46.18 | d03boy | i installed ftpd using apt, but I dont know how to start it... how do I figure this stuff out? I figured it would show up in a menu or something |
| 05:46.18 | cisco | furrywolf you typing a novel?????? |
| 05:46.39 | maher | d03boy: look in /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 05:46.53 | cisco | furrywolf thats cause im writing the protocol as we speak. hahah |
| 05:47.03 | bob2 | d03boy: it has started already |
| 05:47.09 | mds | bob2: no, the colo's in VA, I'm in FL. It's just a personal box for my and my buddies, but I'd hate to bring it down, so... |
| 05:47.10 | furrywolf | cisco: why yes, I am. but it's about crime and drugs in a city owned by the mob. not routing. :P |
| 05:47.18 | cisco | furrywolf: its like a broadcast, but, its invisible |
| 05:47.22 | cisco | furrywolf hahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 05:47.24 | d03boy | ok |
| 05:47.25 | kingsley | warnk: What do you think? |
| 05:47.27 | tcsetattr | iptables doesn't "send packets to" anything. the output interface in an iptables rule is a matching component |
| 05:47.42 | maher | mds: do you have some sort of remote console access? i.e. if it fails to boot can you do anything about it? |
| 05:47.48 | mds | bob2: let's say I get a nice clean install in a chroot, I guess I could just move that to / afterwards? |
| 05:47.50 | tcsetattr | it means "IF the packet is going out this interface, THEN this rule may be applied" |
| 05:48.01 | furrywolf | it is, of course, furry. humans don't exist... |
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| 05:48.12 | mds | bob2: nope, no console at all. the colo people want me to upgrade the service, so they're not being extra cooperative... |
| 05:48.17 | bob2 | mds: you could...I'd be so amazingly terrified of doing that |
| 05:48.27 | mrgenixus | bob2: is there a way to get helpful information about what I have installed? like I have apache-ssl and libapache-mod-ssl installed, and I need to clean both of them. may look in synaptic searching for apache? |
| 05:48.42 | bob2 | mds: if the kernel is ok (ie no serious exploits), you could start running everything in the chroot and pray it doesn't go down anytime soon ;) |
| 05:48.43 | cisco | how did you pick a name like furrywolf? |
| 05:48.50 | mrgenixus | mds do you have any out-of-band management? |
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| 05:48.54 | bob2 | mrgenixus: that could work |
| 05:49.03 | mrgenixus | mds like a dial-in console? |
| 05:49.04 | cisco | hello irc, im harrydick, lol furrywolf |
| 05:49.07 | bob2 | mds: another option is shriking the partition you have |
| 05:49.10 | mrgenixus | or something like that over the web? |
| 05:49.13 | furrywolf | cisco: because I'm furry, I'm a wolf, and I lack the creativity to think of something better. |
| 05:49.19 | bob2 | mds: which you can do if it's ext2 or 3 |
| 05:49.20 | cisco | lol |
| 05:49.22 | mds | mrgenixus: nope. the colo people won't even take my money per hour in case of emergency |
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| 05:49.53 | mrgenixus | mds, how much for the upgraded service? |
| 05:50.03 | mds | bob2: ext3 |
| 05:50.09 | cisco | well, im outta here, goodnight all |
| 05:50.10 | mds | mrgenixus: double what I pay now |
| 05:50.17 | maher | mds: don't futz with the box then - how much will the colo people charge to install debian? |
| 05:50.31 | bob2 | mds: you can shrink that then |
| 05:50.40 | bob2 | mds: not sure if you can do it online, tho |
| 05:50.43 | MobyTurbo | furrywolf: at least people don't call you "moby" |
| 05:50.52 | furrywolf | in an annoyed fashion, that is. |
| 05:51.01 | mds | maher: they won't take my money -- they require that I upgrade to the expensive service -- I got a deal like 3 years ago, and the price is locked in... |
| 05:51.03 | furrywolf | moby: they call me furry? :P |
| 05:51.06 | mrgenixus | well, bob2, here goes: preping to purge apache and dependencies |
| 05:51.08 | mds | bob2: don't think so. |
| 05:51.10 | Phated | Don't you call yourself furry? |
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| 05:51.15 | maher | mds: maybe you should bail on this colo... |
| 05:51.40 | tcsetattr | grandfathered and begrudged |
| 05:51.49 | mrgenixus | maher, mds, see how bad they want their money at all |
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| 05:52.01 | mds | maher: I'm paying like $500/yr for a whole box. Is there a comparable alternative? |
| 05:52.09 | mrgenixus | I think so... |
| 05:52.15 | mrgenixus | I thin kyou can probably do better |
| 05:52.18 | furrywolf | mds: how much cpu/ram/disk do you need? |
| 05:52.25 | mrgenixus | I've seen maybe $300 |
| 05:52.32 | bob2 | mds: http://www.vix.com/personalcolo/ |
| 05:52.32 | mrgenixus | that might have been /mo though |
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| 05:53.07 | d03boy | why can I log in as root into ftpd but not a regular user? |
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| 05:53.12 | mds | furrywolf: 1/2 gig ram, 60G disk, Celeron CPU would do. |
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| 05:53.22 | mrgenixus | d03boy: do your users have a shell? |
| 05:53.26 | PR- | i am configuring a ftp server, i've made the port foward in the router to the server, but i can't log in the server outside of my network, it's a speedtouch 510v4 |
| 05:53.27 | furrywolf | redwood virtual gives remarkably cheap usermode linux installs... (if you sign up, mention randyg and/or a wolf sent you, so I get a free month. :) |
| 05:53.30 | d03boy | mrgenixus, yes |
| 05:53.32 | mrgenixus | d03boy: I had that problem |
| 05:53.35 | PR- | can anybody help me? |
| 05:54.01 | d03boy | oh.. i just fixed it |
| 05:54.03 | d03boy | hrm |
| 05:54.03 | mrgenixus | cat /etc/passwd |grep phillijw |
| 05:54.04 | warnk | furry: you're on redwood?? |
| 05:54.15 | furrywolf | warnk: yep, why? |
| 05:54.34 | itp560 | I think the openoffice.deb sucks .. |
| 05:54.38 | warnk | furry: i have uml with them |
| 05:54.53 | furrywolf | that reminds me, I need to pay them tomorrow. |
| 05:54.58 | itp560 | It screwed up my Sarge Box .. |
| 05:55.05 | mrgenixus | is oo2 out yet (AFA the mirrors go?) |
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| 05:55.18 | setuid | Where is the default dpi stored in X? |
| 05:55.21 | shingouz | itp560: How about a bit more details and we might be able to help you |
| 05:55.21 | setuid | ..when using gdm |
| 05:55.37 | furrywolf | warnk: want to send them $14 for me? I'm going to have to count the pennies to pay this month's bill... |
| 05:55.42 | setuid | Putting it in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc doesn't help, nor ~/.xserverrc |
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| 05:56.04 | itp560 | I did this . apt-get install openoffice.org-bin |
| 05:56.20 | warnk | warnk: lol. if i wasn't on the same boat :) |
| 05:56.25 | shingouz | itp560: And? |
| 05:56.31 | furrywolf | heh :) |
| 05:56.43 | itp560 | shift_, now it is asking to apt-get -f install |
| 05:56.46 | benjamindees | furrywolf, they give you a reverse ip ? |
| 05:56.54 | jm_ | setuid: check how gdm starts the X server - you can also change it in GNOME preferences, if you're using it |
| 05:56.55 | shingouz | itp560: And? |
| 05:56.57 | itp560 | the openoffice.org: Depends: dictionaries-common (>= 0.10) but it is not going to be installed or |
| 05:57.06 | warnk | i got car insurance, car payments (due today I believe), 2 months of phone, and rent due :) |
| 05:57.11 | furrywolf | benjamines: I think you have to ask if you want one... they give you static IPs for only $2/month, any number you need, however. |
| 05:57.27 | itp560 | now can't install anything .. |
| 05:57.31 | furrywolf | heh. I owe the landlord $300, phone $200, redwood virtual $15, umm... |
| 05:57.42 | setuid | jm_: change it where? |
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| 05:57.50 | warnk | benjamin: yes, they give reverse |
| 05:57.56 | shingouz | itp560: So did you do the apt-get -f install ? |
| 05:58.00 | itp560 | shift_, dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dictionaries-common_0.25.9_all.deb (--unpack): |
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| 05:58.14 | mds | furrywolf: I dunno, I need DNS control, RADIUS, FreeSWAN, funky IMAP, and PAM. Usermode won't cut it. |
| 05:58.26 | shingouz | itp560: You sure you have empty space there? |
| 05:58.49 | warnk | lol I am runny mysql apache bind and xmail all off the cheapest package |
| 05:58.53 | jm_ | setuid: GNOME's preferences/control panel/whatever they call it, or find out where the command is for gdm (start with /etc/init.d/gdm, man gdm, ...) |
| 05:58.56 | shingouz | itp560: You shoudl be a bit more careful about the nick completion btw... ;) |
| 05:59.00 | furrywolf | mds: I use funky PAM to run a separate chroot install inside of my debian install on my UML. :) |
| 05:59.08 | maher | mds: why won't all of those run nder usermode? |
| 05:59.18 | itp560 | shingouz, sorry about that .. |
| 05:59.25 | furrywolf | you can do anything on a UML that you can do on a physical box, with the exception of fuck with the kernel... |
| 05:59.29 | mds | maher: uh, low-port binds? |
| 05:59.32 | furrywolf | mine runs sarge. :) |
| 05:59.35 | setuid | jm_: Its not there, not in the gdm manpage, I've checked everywhere I can think of |
| 05:59.38 | maher | mds: no problem |
| 05:59.39 | furrywolf | mde: you don't know what UML is, do you? |
| 05:59.40 | itp560 | shingouz, where is the space .?? |
| 05:59.52 | shingouz | itp560: Check if you have enough space with df -h |
| 06:00.02 | mds | furrywolf: I guess not... I was thinking it was just a shell account? |
| 06:00.21 | itp560 | /dev/sda2 35G 1015M 32G 4% / |
| 06:00.26 | furrywolf | usermode linux is a complete linux install (as I said, I run debian sarge on mine) that you can do whatever you want with... it's essentially a virtual machine. |
| 06:00.29 | maher | mds its a copy of the kernel running in user space on a box |
| 06:00.36 | itp560 | shingouz, have more than enough .. |
| 06:00.51 | shingouz | itp560: I think so too for some reason ;) |
| 06:00.57 | maher | mds: so from your point of view its just a copy of linux except its hard to change the kernel |
| 06:01.02 | mds | maher: like with vmware or whatever? |
| 06:01.09 | maher | mds: similar |
| 06:01.12 | shingouz | itp560: Woody? Sarge? |
| 06:01.25 | itp560 | shingouz, sarge |
| 06:01.27 | shingouz | sarge. sorry |
| 06:01.52 | shingouz | itp560: Hmm... did you update before you started installing? |
| 06:01.54 | jm_ | setuid: you won't find any mention of it in the man page, but it will till you where config files and such are, and you shall find a command that starts X server in there and add -dpi switch to it |
| 06:01.56 | jm_ | doh |
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| 06:02.17 | itp560 | shingouz, I think so .. Thats a practice .. |
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| 06:02.38 | shingouz | itp560: Try apt-get update and redo the install |
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| 06:03.04 | itp560 | shingouz, Nothing installs .. |
| 06:03.19 | aballek | bye |
| 06:03.23 | shingouz | itp560: Did you do the apt-get update? |
| 06:03.28 | itp560 | shingouz, it is asking to run the apt-get -f install |
| 06:03.36 | shingouz | itp560: The do so |
| 06:03.53 | itp560 | shingouz, I did .. |
| 06:03.56 | timt | noob question, while building the kernel I get a memory exhausted error?? anyone know what this means? |
| 06:03.59 | mds | maher: looks interesting... let me talk it over with my buddies. |
| 06:04.06 | shingouz | itp560: And what happened? |
| 06:04.10 | itp560 | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 06:04.10 | itp560 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.13 | mds | Thanks all! I now have fresh options to pursue! Woo hoo! =) |
| 06:04.22 | shingouz | itp560: In #flood, not here |
| 06:04.27 | itp560 | I said Y |
| 06:04.29 | maher | mds: i don't use it myself but its cheap if you don't need much disk space / cpu |
| 06:04.39 | itp560 | error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib/ispell/default.hash': Permission denied |
| 06:04.40 | itp560 | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 06:05.02 | shingouz | itp560: You *did* do that as root, didn't you? |
| 06:05.14 | itp560 | ofcourse |
| 06:05.42 | shingouz | That is odd... |
| 06:05.44 | benjamindees | mds, there are differences; you're sharing a machine with other users of course |
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| 06:06.06 | itp560 | I tried to remove it manually .. |
| 06:06.26 | shingouz | Redo the same apt-get install (whatever) and paste the output into #flood itp560 |
| 06:06.37 | itp560 | anyway it is a link to /etc/alternatives/ispell-dictionary.hash |
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| 06:06.59 | itp560 | which is not there in the /etc/alternatives/ispell-dictionary.hash |
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| 06:07.58 | shingouz | itp560: You have not screwed around with the permissions at all on the system I hope |
| 06:08.06 | jm_ | itp560: well you can do several things - 1) figure out why you get permission denied, 2) comment it out in postinst script and configure the package, 3) black magic |
| 06:08.10 | itp560 | shingouz, not at all .. |
| 06:08.16 | itp560 | normal stuff .. |
| 06:08.43 | shingouz | itp560: jm_ has a point there... |
| 06:08.43 | maher | itp560: what does ls -l /usr/lib/ispell/ say |
| 06:08.44 | warnk | furry: graphire handler still "H: Handlers=mouse1 event2" |
| 06:09.09 | itp560 | ls: /etc/alternatives/ispell-dictionary.hash: No such file or directory |
| 06:09.31 | streuner | hm |
| 06:09.53 | tcsetattr | update-alternatives --config ispell-dictionary.hash |
| 06:09.59 | itp560 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40 Apr 8 23:02 default.hash -> /etc/alternatives/ispell-dictionary.hash |
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| 06:11.00 | Coke | We are evil. |
| 06:11.20 | jm_ | Coke: is that why you lost to Russians on sunday? :) |
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| 06:11.40 | streuner | heh |
| 06:11.42 | itp560 | No alternatives for ispell-dictionary.hash |
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| 06:11.56 | itp560 | Baaaazzzaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 06:11.56 | tcsetattr | sounds pretty hosed. |
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| 06:12.00 | Coke | jm_: you're talking about the hockey? |
| 06:12.02 | maher | itp560: what does ls -l /usr/lib/ispell/ say |
| 06:12.04 | jm_ | Coke: yup |
| 06:12.26 | Coke | I was talking about the residents of this channel, including you, your evilness. |
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| 06:12.32 | streuner | .cz played against .ca |
| 06:12.45 | aardvark | spam. |
| 06:12.49 | itp560 | maher, it has so many files .. |
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| 06:13.00 | cafuego | benjamindees: Eurovision! |
| 06:13.01 | itp560 | do u want the dir permissions .? |
| 06:13.03 | maher | itp560: what does ls -ld /usr/lib/ispell/ say |
| 06:13.23 | shingouz | cafuego: That is about as bad as a global thermonuclear war |
| 06:13.24 | itp560 | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 16 2002 /usr/lib/ispell |
| 06:13.25 | Coke | jm_: the way I see it, we have to be evil. Why else would there pop up dozens of new "friendly" Debian channels? :D |
| 06:13.40 | streuner | Coke: what the fuck you are talking about? |
| 06:13.48 | mrgenixus | bob2 still here |
| 06:13.51 | maher | itp560: ok - do an apt-get -f upgrade and paste the error in#flood |
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| 06:14.08 | cafuego | shingouz: Certainly deadlier |
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| 06:14.26 | shingouz | cafuego: And not as humane, death takes longer to arrive |
| 06:14.35 | itp560 | maher, How can I get #flood |
| 06:14.41 | Coke | streuner: I have no idea. |
| 06:14.42 | itp560 | is it a channel |
| 06:14.42 | maher | itp560: /join #flood |
| 06:15.05 | itp560 | k .. Thansk . |
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| 06:16.17 | itp560 | is it too much information ? |
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| 06:16.38 | Coke | slow morning here. |
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| 06:17.11 | mrgenixus | hello I'm trying to set up open lazlo, and I want to use as much installed software as apossible |
| 06:17.12 | tcsetattr | can you create anything there manually? ln -sf /dev/null /usr/lib/ispell/default.hash |
| 06:17.28 | mrgenixus | has anybody done this from scratch that could help me? |
| 06:17.33 | maher | itp560: what does ls -l /usr/lib/ispell/default.hash say |
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| 06:17.37 | mrgenixus | Mostly I need to get a tomcat server up and running |
| 06:17.49 | itp560 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40 Apr 8 23:02 /usr/lib/ispell/default.hash -> /etc/alternatives/ispell-dictionary.hash |
| 06:17.50 | mrgenixus | and I don't know anything about tomcat or how it works. |
| 06:18.05 | Coke | mrgenixus: do you know anything about Debian? |
| 06:18.06 | mrgenixus | I have the J2ee .bin file from sun, |
| 06:18.15 | mrgenixus | Coke: yeah, i'm gettin gthere slowly |
| 06:18.30 | mrgenixus | I know quite a bit about linux, just not a whole lot about apt and dpkg |
| 06:18.40 | Coke | mrgenixus: ok, in any case, install the SUN JDK somewhere under /usr/local |
| 06:18.44 | mrgenixus | ok |
| 06:18.47 | mrgenixus | brb |
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| 06:19.09 | itp560 | any ideas ? |
| 06:19.15 | furrywolf | back. had to let my cat in, feed her, and roughhouse with her. :) |
| 06:19.17 | jm_ | no, use java-package and make-jpkg to create the deb of it, don't put it into /usr/local |
| 06:19.18 | fhffhqvb | !any ideas |
| 06:19.19 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of herring, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 three-legged badgers. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 06:19.20 | tcsetattr | yeah, any chance you'll listen? |
| 06:19.24 | tcsetattr | can you rm it? |
| 06:19.40 | Coke | jm_: yeah, I was just about to ask if there wasn't some sort of Debianization of it |
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| 06:20.22 | dondelelcaro | itp560: and what are the permissions on /tmp? |
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| 06:20.44 | itp560 | drwxrwxrwt 22 root root 4096 May 17 16:20 /tmp/ |
| 06:20.49 | Coke | mrgenixus: apt-get install java-package |
| 06:21.05 | itp560 | all the permissions I can think of .. |
| 06:21.22 | furrywolf | *dpkg* Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little WD-40, and a handful of sex-crazed weasels. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 06:21.23 | dondelelcaro | itp560: ok, try rm /usr/lib/ispell/default.hash; and try reinstalling dictionary-common |
| 06:21.25 | furrywolf | that's a good one. :) |
| 06:21.50 | tcsetattr | rm it? where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, I suggested it already and was ignored |
| 06:21.52 | itp560 | rm: cannot remove `default.hash': Permission denied |
| 06:21.54 | mrgenixus | Coke: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: install libstd? |
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| 06:22.01 | streuner | heh |
| 06:22.06 | streuner | as root? |
| 06:22.16 | itp560 | yes .. |
| 06:22.20 | Coke | mrgenixus: while running the apt-get ? |
| 06:22.33 | mrgenixus | no, running the j2ee .bin |
| 06:22.43 | Coke | mrgenixus: nevermind that, run apt-get install java-package |
| 06:22.43 | itp560 | dondelelcaro, rm -fr doesn't work either |
| 06:22.45 | tcsetattr | root usually does not get "Permission denied" errors. Normally you'd expect "Operation not permitted", or "Readonly filesystem", or something like that |
| 06:22.47 | dondelelcaro | itp560: as root? |
| 06:22.54 | Coke | mrgenixus: appearantly, my java know-how for Debian was out of date |
| 06:23.00 | itp560 | dondelelcaro, yes .. I'm the root . |
| 06:23.01 | dondelelcaro | itp560: uh, what does lsattr /usr/lib/ispell/default.hash; say? |
| 06:23.02 | Coke | (I never install Java) |
| 06:23.14 | mrgenixus | Coke: installing Java-package |
| 06:23.17 | mrgenixus | done |
| 06:23.19 | tcsetattr | so what weird thing is going on? chattr +i should generate a 'Operation not permitted', I think |
| 06:23.21 | mrgenixus | now what? |
| 06:23.36 | Coke | mrgenixus: there's a program called make-jpkg that can create Debian packages from that SUN distribution |
| 06:23.40 | itp560 | lsattr: No such file or directory While reading flags on /usr/lib/ispell/default.hash |
| 06:23.43 | jm_ | mrgenixus: man make-jpkg |
| 06:23.50 | timt | anyone come across a memory exhausted error when compiling a kernel or how to start it from where it left off? |
| 06:23.59 | tcsetattr | oh, actually a +i directory does cause EACCES! |
| 06:24.17 | tcsetattr | itp60, lsattr -d /usr/lib/ispell |
| 06:24.31 | Coke | mrgenixus: just out of curiousity, what is it you need this for? Tomcat? |
| 06:24.48 | itp560 | lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on /usr/lib/ispell/ |
| 06:24.53 | dondelelcaro | whooo! |
| 06:25.07 | itp560 | Whooooooooooooooooooop .. |
| 06:25.11 | dondelelcaro | itp560: is this an ext2 filesystem? |
| 06:25.15 | bbrazil | timt: you doing it the debian way? |
| 06:25.19 | mrgenixus | I'm setting up a server to run http://openlaszlo.org openlaszlo |
| 06:25.26 | mrgenixus | A friend said it was pretty cool |
| 06:25.27 | dondelelcaro | itp560: what is the output of mount; for this filesystem? |
| 06:25.33 | mrgenixus | but I'm not really sure how to do it |
| 06:25.35 | itp560 | ext3 |
| 06:25.45 | dondelelcaro | itp560: ok... that's um, not good. |
| 06:25.49 | Coke | mrgenixus: have you written servlets or JSP that you want to use? |
| 06:25.51 | furrywolf | timt: is the box severely short on ram? I've compiled kernels with 16mb... |
| 06:25.51 | mrgenixus | I really get annoyed at people who thing developing enterprise-level app sin java |
| 06:25.57 | dondelelcaro | itp560: can you give us the output of mount for it? |
| 06:26.06 | mrgenixus | Coke: laszlo uses JSP |
| 06:26.19 | maher | itp560: have you had crashed / power outages / bad things in the logs about your disk? |
| 06:26.23 | itp560 | from dmesg ? |
| 06:26.25 | Coke | mrgenixus: oh, ok. well then. I guess your stuck with Java then. |
| 06:26.26 | LinuxNIT | anyone know why when i try to burn an audio cd with k3b indebian the sound quality deteriorates with each track? |
| 06:26.29 | dondelelcaro | itp560: no, mount; the command. |
| 06:26.33 | mrgenixus | I can't tell id make-jpkg worked or not: |
| 06:26.42 | mrgenixus | No matching plugin was found. |
| 06:27.04 | jm_ | mrgenixus: you need Java SDK package from Sun, make-jpkg can handle that, and tomcat depends on it |
| 06:27.08 | itp560 | no crashes .. |
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| 06:27.17 | jm_ | I suppose you already have it, but you didn't run make-jpkg correctly |
| 06:27.18 | mrgenixus | jm_ have it, ran it, failed |
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| 06:27.21 | itp560 | check the #flood |
| 06:27.25 | Cenkk | hi how to get debian ?? |
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| 06:27.26 | mrgenixus | I maybe have the wrong one |
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| 06:27.33 | dondelelcaro | itp560: hrm... well, you're probably going to need to remount / ro, and fsck it |
| 06:27.40 | mrgenixus | j2eesdk-1_4_01_2005Q1-linux.bin |
| 06:27.42 | mrgenixus | that |
| 06:27.43 | mrgenixus | 's |
| 06:27.46 | mrgenixus | the name of the file |
| 06:27.50 | Coke | mrgenixus: it says it works with 1.5 and 1.4 in the docs. |
| 06:27.51 | dondelelcaro | itp560: since there's no way that you should be getting an inappropriate ioctl |
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| 06:28.06 | jm_ | Coke: it does indeed |
| 06:28.08 | mrgenixus | jm_: what say you - guru of the installing java |
| 06:28.09 | Coke | mrgenixus: 1.4.2_06 |
| 06:28.10 | itp560 | k .. |
| 06:28.14 | maher | itp560: look in the logs for disk errors - run debsums after the fsck |
| 06:28.19 | streuner | itp560: and backup the data |
| 06:28.19 | Coke | mrgenixus: is the last 1.4 version it supports |
| 06:28.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell Cenkk -about install debian |
| 06:28.35 | mrgenixus | so I need an older package that the site offers? |
| 06:28.39 | mrgenixus | this blows |
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| 06:28.46 | itp560 | thanks .. for the help of all of you guys .. |
| 06:28.49 | Coke | mrgenixus: no, the package does not offer any JDK |
| 06:28.50 | mrgenixus | can't I just install the .bin? |
| 06:28.54 | jm_ | mrgenixus: how did you run make-jpkg? |
| 06:28.59 | tcsetattr | you think his /usr/lib/ispell has become simultaneously a directory and a device node? |
| 06:29.07 | MobyTurbo | mrgenixus: no, you don't need an older package. Coke is incorrect about that. |
| 06:29.13 | mrgenixus | $ fakeroot make-jpkg j2.... |
| 06:29.34 | MobyTurbo | Coke: make-jpkg uses wildcards, it can and will install later versions of the jdk. |
| 06:29.34 | Coke | MobyTurbo: I never SAID he needed and older package |
| 06:29.43 | itp560 | anymore comments .. ? |
| 06:29.46 | streuner | tcsetattr: whatever, if that starts so, he have no fun in future |
| 06:29.48 | Coke | and if people read their versions right, they'd see that I told him about a NEWER version |
| 06:29.52 | mrgenixus | ok, ok, so back to "no plugins found" |
| 06:29.56 | mrgenixus | why would it say that> |
| 06:30.06 | dondelelcaro | itp560: good luck... |
| 06:30.18 | mrgenixus | oh, I read versions wrong.... |
| 06:30.20 | mrgenixus | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.20 | itp560 | dondelelcaro, thanks .. |
| 06:30.24 | mrgenixus | anyhow.... |
| 06:30.29 | mrgenixus | so what do I do? |
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| 06:30.40 | mrgenixus | will running it without fakeroot make it run better? |
| 06:30.46 | dondelelcaro | no. |
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| 06:30.52 | warnk | my wacom is found by the kernel, the drivers are loaded, but x doesn't treat it as tablet (no pressure sensitivity, really buggy too), anyone know what could be going on?? |
| 06:30.53 | jm_ | mrgenixus: I would grab j2sdk-*bin file and go with that |
| 06:30.54 | MobyTurbo | !tell mrgenixus -about enter |
| 06:30.56 | Coke | mrgenixus: paste the full command please. |
| 06:31.10 | dondelelcaro | warnk: do you have the right driver listed in X? |
| 06:31.17 | mrgenixus | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.30 | maher | warnk: standard kernel? |
| 06:31.34 | Coke | mrgenixus: I don't recognize that filename, was it downloaded from SUN? |
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| 06:31.49 | mrgenixus | yup downloaded from SUn |
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| 06:31.55 | mrgenixus | very painfully |
| 06:32.04 | Coke | mrgenixus: could be a problem with the enterprise version |
| 06:32.18 | mrgenixus | so I need to get...? |
| 06:32.19 | Coke | mrgenixus: they only mention J2SE in the docs |
| 06:32.26 | Coke | mrgenixus: standard edition |
| 06:32.37 | warnk | donde: in the /etc/X11/XF-blah? I setup the cursor, stylus and eraser, all to the right device (/dev/input/wacom) |
| 06:32.55 | Coke | mrgenixus: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html |
| 06:33.01 | dondelelcaro | warnk: yes. |
| 06:33.04 | Coke | mrgenixus: according to the make-jpkg manual |
| 06:33.30 | warnk | maher: compiled 2.6.11, copied the linuxwacom source into the source tree |
| 06:33.37 | jm_ | the error may also be due to the fact he couldn't run the bin file |
| 06:33.47 | dondelelcaro | warnk: but have you told X to load the proper input driver? |
| 06:33.51 | mrgenixus | jm_ I ran the bin file |
| 06:33.54 | maher | warnk: do you have a usb mouse? |
| 06:33.59 | jm_ | mrgenixus: yes, and you got the error ... |
| 06:34.01 | mrgenixus | jm_ it threw errors |
| 06:34.07 | Flammifer | hello, I'm making a script to play an .ogg file at startup ... it works, but has to wait for the track to finish playing to go on with the startup process ... how would I "detach" the ogg123 process to keep on loading as the music plays ? |
| 06:34.09 | jm_ | mrgenixus: install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
| 06:34.10 | mrgenixus | I don't even remember what errror I got |
| 06:34.17 | jm_ | you're suffering from STMP |
| 06:34.34 | mrgenixus | jm_ is that the package name? |
| 06:34.46 | warnk | donde: with driver "wacom"? |
| 06:34.54 | jm_ | Flammifer: man start-stop-daemon |
| 06:34.58 | Coke | jm_: can't make-jpkg create new processes from files without them being executable? |
| 06:35.04 | jm_ | mrgenixus: you tell me |
| 06:35.12 | mrgenixus | yeah |
| 06:35.14 | mrgenixus | it is |
| 06:35.19 | warnk | maher: in the room, yes. hooked to my computer, no. :) using the wacom now. |
| 06:35.23 | mrgenixus | ok, set up libstd |
| 06:35.29 | MobyTurbo | !tell mrgenixus -about enter |
| 06:35.34 | dondelelcaro | warnk: yes. You may also need to use a more updated version of the wacom driver. |
| 06:35.39 | mrgenixus | yeah, itis |
| 06:36.05 | maher | warnk: works for me with a standard kernel but i have to manually unload the usb mouse drivers and reload the wacom drivers |
| 06:36.23 | warnk | donde: i just got the source tonight 0.6.8 |
| 06:36.57 | mrgenixus | I applogize that the the ^M char appears so frequently, I'm trying as I think, as a result, my comments are a little broken up. I hit enter and think the next htought. It seems to me it's better to do that then to fill up the entire screen with incoherent info |
| 06:37.00 | dondelelcaro | warnk: that's the kernel driver, not the X driver |
| 06:37.03 | jm_ | Coke: it's a shell script, let me see what it does |
| 06:37.04 | Coke | mrgenixus: I thought the package system would fix any dependency problems, but appearantly not. |
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| 06:37.13 | Coke | jm_: it just unpacks some stuff |
| 06:37.27 | furrywolf | warnk: did you recompile the kernel with all the .c files copied? |
| 06:37.38 | warnk | donde: oh, I also copied the 2.6.11 xserver driver to /usr/X11/blah |
| 06:37.43 | mrgenixus | so, i'ts installed. run make-jpkg? or the.bin? |
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| 06:37.51 | dondelelcaro | warnk: if it's usb, it probably should be /usr/input/event0 or something |
| 06:37.52 | rixth | Can anyone reccomend good tool(s) for data recovery off NTFS drives? |
| 06:37.53 | warnk | furry: yup, tried that, stil no luck |
| 06:38.07 | furrywolf | hrmm. I have 0.6.7 here. what kernel do you have? |
| 06:38.09 | Coke | mrgenixus: try with make-jpkg. I would have done it manually, but I guess there is some advantage to making it a package first. |
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| 06:38.23 | warnk | donde: it is, it's /dev/input/event2, 2.6 makes a symlink though |
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| 06:38.35 | streuner | rixth: backup |
| 06:38.43 | jm_ | Coke: it uses the scripts from /usr/share/java-package to do the actual work |
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| 06:39.07 | rixth | streuner, they were simply deleted from the recycle bin |
| 06:39.15 | mrgenixus | ok, running make-jpkg |
| 06:39.22 | dondelelcaro | warnk: ok, cool. |
| 06:39.37 | jm_ | Coke: and it has hardcoded file names, no j2ee in there, which explains why it failed for him |
| 06:39.50 | mrgenixus | yeah, it's actually working with the se kit |
| 06:40.04 | warnk | furry: 0.6.8 linuxwacom and 2.6.11 kernel |
| 06:40.07 | dondelelcaro | warnk: is it working at all? |
| 06:40.14 | mrgenixus | ok, so I have a deb, I think |
| 06:40.31 | Coke | jm_: yeah, I know |
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| 06:40.34 | furrywolf | warnk: that should work, if you copied the four .c files over the ones with the same name in the source tree. |
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| 06:40.36 | warnk | donde: yeah, x recognizes it as a mouse, it works fine for that. |
| 06:40.40 | Coke | jm_: I already suggested he should get the standard edition |
| 06:41.00 | furrywolf | does /proc/bus/input/devices now list it as only being handled by an event device, not a mouse device? |
| 06:41.01 | dondelelcaro | warnk: ok, so the only problem is with the pressure being reported? |
| 06:41.08 | jm_ | Coke: yeah I told him that tomcat depends on j2sdk so that should do |
| 06:41.13 | mrgenixus | ok, now I have the java sdk, can I install tomcat and laszlo now? |
| 06:41.24 | jm_ | no, you need to install java first |
| 06:41.42 | mrgenixus | su - ... dpkg -i ~bwest/*.deb |
| 06:41.52 | mrgenixus | done |
| 06:42.06 | mrgenixus | now? |
| 06:42.20 | warnk | donde: no pressure, it's a bit jittery, and the coords on the wacom are all screwed up |
| 06:42.28 | Coke | mrgenixus: it installed the packages correctly? try typing java -version |
| 06:42.41 | MobyTurbo | !tell mrgenixus -about enter |
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| 06:42.54 | mrgenixus | java version "1.4.2_08" |
| 06:43.03 | Coke | Ok, all done, now install tomcat |
| 06:43.06 | furrywolf | warnk: what is listed as its handler? |
| 06:43.08 | mrgenixus | MobyTurbo: look at the timestamps |
| 06:43.12 | warnk | furry: here's the handler line: 'H: Handlers=mouse1 event2 |
| 06:43.13 | warnk | ' |
| 06:43.16 | mrgenixus | I'm hardly using enter as punctuation |
| 06:43.28 | mrgenixus | MobyTurbo: I type faster than that |
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| 06:43.37 | mousex | what kernel should I use for an AMD Sempron (like Opteron but at 32-bit)??? xxx-686? 386? k7? |
| 06:43.40 | Phated | "done" <enter> "now?" |
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| 06:43.42 | MobyTurbo | mrgenixus: the time stamps here for the stuff in question is 2:45 |
| 06:43.46 | streuner | !k7 |
| 06:43.46 | dpkg | hmm... k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 06:43.48 | furrywolf | you recompled the kernel, with all four files copied, and installed both the new kernel and the new modules? |
| 06:43.52 | dondelelcaro | warnk: turn up the debugging level, and make sure that the pressure levels are actually being reported... |
| 06:43.53 | jm_ | mrgenixus: you are, your lines take the most space on my screen |
| 06:44.04 | mrgenixus | ok... |
| 06:44.23 | dondelelcaro | warnk: you probably need to tweak your configuration (TopX/TopY etc) for the coordinate mapping... |
| 06:44.36 | warnk | donde: i fired up wacdump and everything is working there. |
| 06:44.45 | mousex | so k7 = sempron? |
| 06:44.45 | furrywolf | dondel: as long as the mouse driver is trying to talk to it, it's going to do Funky Things (TM). |
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| 06:45.11 | Coke | mrgenixus: anyway, now that you have your JSDK installed, here's my two cents: don't use Java! :) |
| 06:45.12 | streuner | mousex: according to the factoid and my experience yes |
| 06:45.12 | jm_ | no, k7 was Athlon when it came out, it's called Sempron nowadays though |
| 06:45.13 | warnk | furry: aye, kernel and modules installed |
| 06:45.16 | mousex | Thanks |
| 06:45.25 | furrywolf | warnk: hrmm. and you rebooted? :) |
| 06:45.26 | tcsetattr | you're supposed to just keep typing and typing uand never end so that people think you've disappeared because it look slike you're not saying anything for a long time and then suddenly you strike when they're least expecting it! flooding the screen with a burst so long it can't be read before it will scroll off the screen because of other people's bursts! yes, this is communication |
| 06:45.40 | warnk | furry: lol yup |
| 06:45.52 | streuner | jm_: Sempron is the celeron vice versa |
| 06:46.01 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 06:46.01 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a linspire user. |
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| 06:46.29 | jm_ | streuner: Sempron is actually what was once known as Athlon XP based on its older core, then there's Sempron based on Athlon 64 core, just to add to the confusion ;) |
| 06:47.15 | Coke | confusion says "do not pigeon the rich of secular pornography" |
| 06:47.18 | streuner | jm_: and to make the conclusion perfect, Sempron is in the low-prize segment of the market... |
| 06:47.24 | furrywolf | what does a find /usr/src/linux/ -name hid-core.c find? (also check for evdev.c, mousedev.c, and wacom.c, and private message me the results...) |
| 06:47.30 | jm_ | to be honest, it's the same with Intel |
| 06:47.40 | streuner | jm_: sure |
| 06:47.46 | warnk | find /usr/src/linux -name hid-core.c |
| 06:47.52 | warnk | lol. oops wrong window |
| 06:48.00 | jm_ | streuner: well top Sempron models cost as much as low-end Athlon 64 models, so I'd rather get 64 one instead |
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| 06:50.05 | streuner | jm_: http://search.ebay.de/amd-sempron_CPUs_W0QQcatrefZC12QQfromZR40QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsacatZ3671QQsojsZ1 |
| 06:50.07 | rixth | !ops mUstAfa porn on join |
| 06:50.08 | mrgenixus | ok, so now I reinstalling all of the apache packages I actually want... including apache-ssl |
| 06:50.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: mUstAfa porn on join |
| 06:50.30 | streuner | jm_: you see there on the top AMD Sempron _plus_ mobo |
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| 06:50.58 | mrgenixus | wb bob2 |
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| 06:51.13 | Flammifer | thanks for the help :) "start-stop-deamon", yes, that looks like it's what I needed ... |
| 06:51.14 | streuner | jm_: starts from 100-180 Euro... |
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| 06:51.19 | jm_ | streuner: is that cheaper than on preistrend.de? |
| 06:52.08 | mrgenixus | greycat++ for killing linspire users |
| 06:52.12 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 06:52.16 | streuner | jm_: no idea, don't know preistrend.de |
| 06:52.25 | TwistedEmotions | greycat++ for stabbing penguins. |
| 06:52.49 | TwistedEmotions | linspire is like windows... except more buggy. |
| 06:53.13 | KerPlunk | Are there any debian repositories for sarge...that do more frequent updating on the popular apps...then debian.org does. |
| 06:53.16 | KerPlunk | Like gaim 1.3.0 |
| 06:53.21 | rixth | Where can one get info about harddrives? Even if they are not mounted? |
| 06:53.24 | jm_ | streuner: I was looking for speedlink mice the other day, and found out one can buy it a lot cheaper from sites on preistrend compared to the list price |
| 06:53.24 | KerPlunk | And firefox 1.0.4 |
| 06:53.36 | TwistedEmotions | KerPlunk: run unstable.. |
| 06:53.38 | jm_ | rixth: what info? |
| 06:53.42 | bob2 | KerPlunk: that's not how it works |
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| 06:53.55 | rixth | So I can find out what hdX they are |
| 06:53.59 | rixth | Partitions etc |
| 06:54.02 | jm_ | KerPlunk: firefox 1.0.4 is in sid |
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| 06:54.14 | jm_ | rixth: cat /proc/partitions ; /proc/ide and so on |
| 06:54.16 | TwistedEmotions | kerneld: change your sources to upstable... get GAIM and firefox then switch back... dont run unstable... |
| 06:54.23 | rixth | hnaks |
| 06:54.23 | KerPlunk | What would my sources.list be for sid |
| 06:54.26 | TwistedEmotions | *unstable |
| 06:54.32 | KerPlunk | deb http://debian.rutgers.edu/ unstable main |
| 06:54.32 | KerPlunk | deb-src http://debian.rutgers.edu/ unstable main |
| 06:54.37 | rixth | cat: /proc/ide: Is a directory |
| 06:54.37 | transgress | why do that? |
| 06:54.38 | KerPlunk | I have those two lines...and I did apt-get update |
| 06:54.44 | KerPlunk | But I can't get firefox 1.0.4 |
| 06:54.44 | jm_ | yes, it's a dir |
| 06:55.21 | KerPlunk | It says I have the latest one |
| 06:55.21 | transgress | the firefox in the repo's is patched |
| 06:55.22 | jm_ | hmm should I stop and upgrade firefox |
| 06:55.22 | rixth | But then cat can't do anything |
| 06:55.22 | TwistedEmotions | KerPlunk: try apt-get update.. |
| 06:55.23 | KerPlunk | TwistedEmotions: I did that. |
| 06:55.36 | transgress | i'm going to my book in my bad |
| 06:55.38 | jm_ | show some adventurous spirit and run ls in /proc/ide and so on |
| 06:55.42 | transgress | and maybe my lappy if i get bored |
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| 06:55.44 | streuner | jm_: the one for 180 is with 1 Gb RAM and SATA controller... |
| 06:55.46 | transgress | later |
| 06:55.49 | rixth | Mmk |
| 06:55.53 | TwistedEmotions | KerPlunk: 1,0,4 is under unstable packages... dont know what you cant see it... gimme a second... I will get you a better source. |
| 06:56.17 | jm_ | streuner: yup, noticed that - very good prices, but I will wait until autumn to buy a new one |
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| 06:56.32 | TwistedEmotions | KerPlunk: add deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
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| 06:56.52 | TwistedEmotions | change it back to testing or stable whatever you use after you get firefox. |
| 06:57.10 | TwistedEmotions | and GAIM |
| 06:57.29 | KerPlunk | cool |
| 06:57.32 | KerPlunk | thanks a lot TwistedEmotions |
| 06:57.34 | TwistedEmotions | KerPlunk: Or just download them and build yourself.. |
| 06:57.35 | KerPlunk | I appreciate the help. |
| 06:57.38 | TwistedEmotions | KerPlunk: Sure ;) |
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| 06:59.15 | furrywolf | ? |
| 06:59.35 | KerPlunk | How bad is sid? |
| 06:59.40 | TwistedEmotions | a wolf shit on my bed... assumed it was you.. |
| 06:59.45 | KerPlunk | Is it nearly unusable out of the box? |
| 06:59.53 | TwistedEmotions | KerPlunk: not bad... just not really tested too hardcore.. |
| 06:59.58 | KerPlunk | Like I ran Fedora Core test 1's a lot.. |
| 07:00.01 | KerPlunk | And they seemed to run fine. |
| 07:00.09 | TwistedEmotions | KerPlunk: if you KNOW what you are doing then do it... |
| 07:00.10 | KerPlunk | There were problems here and there...but nothing too bad. |
| 07:00.12 | KerPlunk | Is it like that? |
| 07:00.14 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep |
| 07:00.14 | KerPlunk | Or a lot worse? |
| 07:00.23 | TwistedEmotions | KerPlunk: testing is safe.. |
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| 07:00.36 | IDC | is there a command to reconfig exim on debian ? |
| 07:00.36 | KerPlunk | If I dist-upgrade from sarge to sid.. |
| 07:00.40 | KerPlunk | Can I downgrade back easily |
| 07:00.41 | KerPlunk | or no |
| 07:00.42 | TwistedEmotions | KerPlunk: unstable *might* be problematic.. |
| 07:00.51 | TwistedEmotions | !downgrade |
| 07:00.51 | dpkg | from memory, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 07:01.01 | MobyTurbo | KerPlunk: you cannot downgrade easily |
| 07:01.10 | KerPlunk | k |
| 07:01.14 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: Guessing dpkg-reconfigure exim? |
| 07:01.18 | KerPlunk | Not like I care really. |
| 07:01.27 | jm_ | IDC: what do you think? |
| 07:01.30 | KerPlunk | I have /home on a seperate partition...and I can just format in 20 minutes. |
| 07:01.32 | rixth | Can anyone reccomend data recovery for NTFS drives? |
| 07:01.34 | KerPlunk | Everythig is like new then. |
| 07:01.52 | TwistedEmotions | KerPlunk: Just get whatever packages you need... then switch to testing... it's the best.. in my opinion... |
| 07:01.54 | jm_ | rixth: you might have better luck in other channels |
| 07:01.56 | IDC | it's strange |
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| 07:02.19 | rixth | jm_, like? |
| 07:02.23 | TwistedEmotions | KerPlunk: stable doesnt get software updates... only security... testing... works fine... unstable... possibably problematic.. |
| 07:02.26 | IDC | "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim is broken or not fully installed" |
| 07:02.31 | jm_ | rixth: maybe #windows? |
| 07:02.41 | IDC | I have exim4.but dpkg-reconfigure exim4 does not work |
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| 07:02.46 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: Sorry I guessed.. |
| 07:02.47 | MobyTurbo | KerPlunk: actually the best way to mix testing and unstable packages is with pinning. /msg dpkg about pinning. |
| 07:02.59 | rixth | jm_, no, I'll be doing it from a Linux machine. |
| 07:03.02 | jm_ | exim 3.x doesn't have debconf config script, it has eximconfig, exim4 has a special package to handle configuration - apt-cache search exim4 config |
| 07:03.03 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, :) |
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| 07:03.09 | jm_ | rixth: good luck ;) |
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| 07:03.23 | IDC | jm_, thanks,let me check |
| 07:03.24 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: I warned you ;) |
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| 07:04.17 | IDC | exim4-config is already the newest version. |
| 07:04.22 | IDC | hmm |
| 07:04.36 | jm_ | ever thought about doing dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 07:05.13 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: The latest release is 4.50. |
| 07:05.38 | IDC | jm_, you are genius :D |
| 07:05.47 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: You can try and download from site yourself and compile it is you REALLY need new version. |
| 07:06.08 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, i would just use this one from apt :) |
| 07:06.24 | TwistedEmotions | Hey I'm kinda smart too... ;( I almost had right command. |
| 07:06.38 | TwistedEmotions | jm_ copied me... asshole. |
| 07:07.27 | TwistedEmotions | jm_ kidding.. I love you. |
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| 07:07.54 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, can you give me some advices ? |
| 07:08.08 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: I shouldn't... but I will... |
| 07:08.39 | IDC | I have a PHP forum which has features as long as many forums to retreive password for registered users when they lost their password |
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| 07:09.03 | TwistedEmotions | kk... |
| 07:09.12 | IDC | This process is being done through the email programs/daemon cuz i was seeing it |
| 07:09.44 | jetscreamer | cron-apt is a wonderful thing |
| 07:09.53 | TwistedEmotions | kk.. |
| 07:10.31 | IDC | but,the problem is...how do i configure exim so that when user submit a password retrieve requesting the PHP program <as its desgined for> can finish the job -->send the email to the user to their registed email addr. ? |
| 07:10.47 | TwistedEmotions | jetscreamer: cron-ic is better.. |
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| 07:11.14 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, i did a test,it cannot deliver email to the rest of world,but send it to /var/mail/user says: cannot deliver to distination...etc etc |
| 07:11.40 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, at that time i configured exim <not this exim4> as deliver email to local only <mode4> hmm |
| 07:11.58 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: I know how you *could* do that... but it's not the right way.. |
| 07:12.01 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, do i need to set up a smtp server in local ? |
| 07:12.07 | jetscreamer | aha |
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| 07:12.32 | Scruff | yop |
| 07:12.32 | [2am] | hey all |
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| 07:12.43 | [2am] | i want to recomiple a program with a particular option |
| 07:12.47 | [2am] | such as --blah |
| 07:13.02 | [2am] | can i give that arg to 'apt-get -b source packagename --blah' ? |
| 07:13.06 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, i have a web server on this serve with a domain names attached to it,also i have done MX record in the domain provider,tested,MX record worked |
| 07:13.12 | [2am] | or is there any other way to give that arg to configure? |
| 07:13.33 | TwistedEmotions | Just send it to a email address and write a script that picks up files and emails them out... use a simple mail agent like pine (free version) |
| 07:13.35 | jm_ | [2am]: no, you need to modify debian/rules usually |
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| 07:13.59 | [2am] | jm: ok, then how do you tell apt/dpkg to begin compilation? |
| 07:14.05 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, I do not need to write that script,because this is included in the PHP forum already |
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| 07:14.08 | jm_ | [2am]: debuild -uc -us -b |
| 07:14.12 | [2am] | i remember something like 'build-package -uc' |
| 07:14.13 | [2am] | ya. ok |
| 07:14.18 | [2am] | thanks |
| 07:14.24 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, The problem is how to configure the outgoing email configuration to finish the job |
| 07:14.38 | [2am] | basically i noticed apache isnt compiled with large file support :( |
| 07:14.53 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: Why dont you use some simple email program... a bash email program? |
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| 07:15.23 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, you are very right that that why i just tried 'ssmtp',but i dont get how to use it anyway |
| 07:15.35 | jetscreamer | all lies |
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| 07:16.10 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: Wait up... I know a good program.. |
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| 07:16.21 | IDC | ok |
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| 07:17.33 | Scruff | grrrr |
| 07:17.34 | TwistedEmotions | nms-formmail - Send emails from web forms < --- Dont know what that is but might help.. |
| 07:17.56 | TwistedEmotions | sa-exim - Use SpamAssassin at SMTP time with the Exim v4 MTA <-- Sounds like what you need |
| 07:18.08 | TwistedEmotions | ^^ disregaurd that |
| 07:18.15 | IDC | hmm |
| 07:18.22 | TwistedEmotions | Fuck.. I had the program.. |
| 07:18.26 | IDC | not really |
| 07:18.29 | TwistedEmotions | it's on my windows machine.. |
| 07:18.36 | TwistedEmotions | I dont have it here... |
| 07:18.39 | IDC | The first one looks like a webmail |
| 07:18.46 | TwistedEmotions | I can reboot gimme a minute... |
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| 07:19.06 | IDC | The second one looks like an assistance to anti-spam for email |
| 07:19.29 | jetscreamer | !say #debian has devolved |
| 07:19.29 | dpkg | #debian has devolved |
| 07:19.38 | eye69 | Where the hell has lftp gone (sarge)? Has it been removed in the freeze? |
| 07:19.47 | jetscreamer | security issue i think |
| 07:20.00 | jetscreamer | it's in woody and sid though |
| 07:20.15 | eye69 | Oh well. I'll have to use ncftp then. |
| 07:20.15 | jetscreamer | or so i watched op discuss yesterday in here |
| 07:20.40 | jetscreamer | this is all hearsay btw, but probably reliable |
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| 07:20.54 | streuner | eye69: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lftp.html |
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| 07:21.32 | Twisted_Emotions | IDC: It's called blat... easy as fuck to use.. |
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| 07:21.45 | eye69 | streuner: Ahhh. |
| 07:21.53 | eye69 | jetscreamer, streuner: Thanks. |
| 07:21.54 | IDC | Twisted_Emotions, let me search |
| 07:21.59 | jetscreamer | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=lftp |
| 07:22.06 | ircdevil | i am trying to compile lyx here. it borks about missing $QTDIR. now i need to supply a --with-qt-dir=<$QTDIR> to configure, but i cant figure what that dir should point to. |
| 07:22.25 | ircdevil | tried /usr/shar/qt3, but no |
| 07:22.37 | jetscreamer | you might need to install qt-dev or something? |
| 07:22.37 | ircdevil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:22.43 | ircdevil | jetscreamer: did that |
| 07:22.48 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 07:23.07 | jetscreamer | which version though maybe |
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| 07:25.29 | timt | sorry guys noob question, after doing a apt-get isntall kernel-image how do I know that it has been successfully installed ? |
| 07:25.36 | dpblnt | can i tell inet to listen make proftpd listen only on one interface? (proftpd's bind and defaultaddress directives do somehow not work) |
| 07:26.18 | jm_ | timt: if you got no errors it's installed |
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| 07:26.43 | jm_ | dpblnt: not with inetd, no |
| 07:27.12 | dpblnt | jm_, how about xinetd? |
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| 07:28.10 | jm_ | dpblnt: yeah, xinetd has bind directive |
| 07:28.17 | liable | ircdevil: libqt3-dev? |
| 07:28.33 | ircdevil | liable: also got that one. |
| 07:28.53 | timt | is there a command to use to check which kernel Im currently running? |
| 07:29.03 | KerPlunk | uname -r |
| 07:29.03 | cafuego | uname |
| 07:29.37 | KerPlunk | timt: Why do you care what kernel version you're running? |
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| 07:29.42 | Twisted_Emotions | IDC: Just download program and run like this... blat lingodwn.txt -to jackass@yourdomain.com -f you@yourdomain.com -s "Subject" set server=-server smtp.yourdomain.com -u yourusername@yourdomain.com -pw password set x=-x "X-Header: Whatever you want header in email to say" |
| 07:30.25 | Twisted_Emotions | **change lingodown.txt to whatever file in same directory that you want your message content to be.. |
| 07:31.02 | timt | KerPlunk: I dont care , I just want to know how to upgrade it |
| 07:31.11 | Twisted_Emotions | IDC: Gonna reboot be right back.. |
| 07:31.12 | ircdevil | ok - got it now (allthou i am not sure what i did) |
| 07:31.20 | KerPlunk | timt: Upgrading your kernel won't help you. |
| 07:31.25 | KerPlunk | Or make anything better. |
| 07:31.29 | IDC | Twisted_Emotions, will blat be lanched automatically from other programs when calls for emailing ? |
| 07:31.32 | KerPlunk | or change anything |
| 07:31.45 | Twisted_Emotions | IDC: No just call it in bash.. |
| 07:31.54 | liable | KerPlunk: ?? what about for drivers, that may be in newer kernels? |
| 07:31.56 | Twisted_Emotions | IDC: Gimme a second to reboot... be right back.. |
| 07:32.13 | timt | how do you mean ? how about new drivers? |
| 07:32.31 | liable | timt: for new hardware |
| 07:33.01 | liable | or updated/improved drivers |
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| 07:34.32 | timt | would I be able to jump from a 2.2 to a 2.6? |
| 07:34.48 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: Seem usefull or no? |
| 07:34.52 | liable | timt: you running woody? |
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| 07:35.01 | timt | liable: yeah |
| 07:35.05 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, wb,sorry had you rebooting to windows |
| 07:35.08 | frederic | #debian-fr |
| 07:35.16 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: I just like it because it's easy to use and powerfull enough. |
| 07:35.23 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, not really,i need a daemon |
| 07:35.23 | streuner | timt: just upgrade to sarge now |
| 07:35.23 | liable | timt: no |
| 07:35.31 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: Haha... was painful.. |
| 07:35.45 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: Why do you need a deamon? |
| 07:35.45 | timt | liable: what would I have to do? |
| 07:35.47 | streuner | !tell timt about woody->sarge |
| 07:35.52 | IDC | TwistedEmotions,hmm,let me try figure out in exim4 |
| 07:36.05 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: kk good luck. |
| 07:36.13 | liable | timt: why do you want 2.6? |
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| 07:36.29 | liable | timt: you should upgrade to 2.4 though |
| 07:36.33 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, because ..see,the pHp forum automatically call the email daemon according to the users' requests |
| 07:36.50 | TwistedEmotions | IDC: Ahh... kk |
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| 07:37.00 | IDC | TwistedEmotions, Thank you ,let me google |
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| 07:38.28 | timt | liable: to be honest I dont mind which one I have as long as its not 2.2 |
| 07:38.42 | liable | timt: get 2.4 |
| 07:38.57 | liable | timt: server is it? |
| 07:39.27 | TwistedEmotions | If it's a server... then why not just waid another few weeks for sarge to go to stable? |
| 07:39.41 | streuner | don't need to |
| 07:39.42 | timt | liable: yeah just playing around with it |
| 07:39.45 | streuner | sarge is frozen |
| 07:39.54 | streuner | and has security up |
| 07:40.09 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: read /topic |
| 07:40.14 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: So then it isnt going to change at all anymore..? |
| 07:40.19 | timt | liable: whats the easiest way to upgrade ? |
| 07:40.24 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: I know.. |
| 07:40.33 | liable | I think I recall hearing 2.2 has security issues, but yeah, might as well upgrade to sarge |
| 07:40.50 | liable | timt: your kernel, or to sarge? |
| 07:40.52 | streuner | TwistedEmotions: RC bugs, those packages which have RC bugs need to fixed |
| 07:40.55 | TwistedEmotions | timt: change your sources from stable to sarge and update.. |
| 07:41.13 | TwistedEmotions | streuner: kk.,. |
| 07:41.13 | timt | liable: There is an exploit for the kernel that Im running, another reason why I want to upgrade |
| 07:41.28 | timt | liable: my kernel |
| 07:41.35 | liable | timt: apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 07:41.57 | liable | timt: apt-get install kernel-blah |
| 07:42.00 | TwistedEmotions | timt: I mean change your /etc/apt/sources then run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:42.10 | TwistedEmotions | and what liable said.. |
| 07:42.14 | timt | TwisetedEmotions: thanks for that |
| 07:42.34 | timt | liable: thanks. much appreciated |
| 07:42.35 | ircdevil | could someone explain to me why slashdot is so very hip and great? |
| 07:42.38 | liable | timt: then you need to run lilo, I think. Dunno, never run woody or lilo |
| 07:42.49 | TwistedEmotions | liable: Does dist-upgrade change kernel version? |
| 07:42.56 | liable | no |
| 07:43.00 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
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| 07:43.36 | ircdevil | ugly website too - it misrenders in galeon -> prolly fucked all standards |
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| 07:44.54 | itp560 | dondelelcaro, I'm back // |
| 07:45.51 | frederic | lo |
| 07:45.54 | frederic | i need to know why i dont have the correct font when i using nvidia driver |
| 07:46.15 | streuner | itp560: what makes you think somebody waiting the whole day to fix your problems? Just ask in channel. |
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| 07:46.49 | [MAN] | where is russian channel about Debian ? |
| 07:46.56 | [MAN] | on this server |
| 07:46.57 | streuner | !ru |
| 07:46.57 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 07:47.06 | [MAN] | thanks |
| 07:47.26 | Devil_Kin | hey all, if i add an alias in /etc/modprobe.d/, how can i 'update' my system so it recognizes the alias? |
| 07:47.30 | Devil_Kin | (debian sid) |
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| 07:51.33 | [MAN] | !uk |
| 07:51.43 | [MAN] | !com.ua |
| 07:52.18 | frederic | i asked, someone could help me about the correct xfree font option ? |
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| 07:55.39 | jm_ | frederic: what problem? |
| 07:55.49 | frederic | the police are large |
| 07:55.50 | streuner | frederic: what's the problem? :-) |
| 07:55.56 | streuner | heh |
| 07:55.58 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: no need to update anything |
| 07:56.09 | jm_ | the police? you mean the fonts? |
| 07:56.11 | frederic | when i using the nvidia driver.... font seems to be unregistered |
| 07:56.20 | frederic | yup.. sry ( bad french translation :p ) |
| 07:56.26 | jm_ | that makes no sense, why would nvidia driver make a difference? |
| 07:56.44 | frederic | coz, when i using nv driver, the problm is not presnet |
| 07:56.47 | frederic | present. |
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| 07:57.59 | streuner | frederic: use 75dpi at the first place instead of 100dpi |
| 07:58.01 | jm_ | tried changing the order of font dirs in font path? how about the DPI setting, is it the same in both cases? |
| 07:59.11 | streuner | FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" |
| 07:59.11 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:01.35 | jetscreamer | somebody explain the brains behind this: Purging configuration files for mozilla-firefox-gnome-support ... Updating mozilla-firefox chrome registry...done. |
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| 08:01.59 | jetscreamer | what is with that frickin chrome shit |
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| 08:02.17 | jetscreamer | everytime you touch ff or moz it freaks out |
| 08:02.19 | streuner | theme |
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| 08:02.34 | streuner | one of the browser theme in mozilla |
| 08:02.42 | frederic | just one before, in the Xfree log, there are some warning : i need to know why i dont have the correct font when i using nvidia driver . i just verify, there is no cirillic folder at this place indeed... |
| 08:02.49 | frederic | i go c what u asked me |
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| 08:03.00 | jetscreamer | i know what it is, it's it's behavior when updating that i'm questioning |
| 08:03.09 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 08:03.09 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:03.22 | jetscreamer | !irritate MobyTurbo |
| 08:03.22 | dpkg | MobyTurbo: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound kk |
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| 08:03.56 | streuner | jetscreamer: what version of firefox? |
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| 08:05.40 | frederic | streuner, i checked that i dont have certain font... ( such as cyrillic font ) |
| 08:05.51 | frederic | and CID |
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| 08:07.51 | streuner | frederic: apt-file search cyrillic font |
| 08:08.17 | jm_ | frederic: ignore that if you don't need such fonts |
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| 08:09.09 | lotu5 | re all |
| 08:09.24 | lotu5 | can anyone help me with darkice? |
| 08:09.29 | lotu5 | or tell me where to get help with it? |
| 08:09.31 | frederic | well, i'll try to install cyrillic font .. but if it doesnt work, i'll place it in comment =) |
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| 08:10.02 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 08:10.02 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 08:11.58 | tripppy | why cant i see /proc/asound ? |
| 08:12.23 | lotu5 | well, it can get it to run, but when i connect i don't hear anything |
| 08:12.33 | lotu5 | i think its not reading /dev/dsp correctly |
| 08:12.42 | lotu5 | or maybe i'm not sending any sound to /dev/dsp correctly |
| 08:12.50 | lotu5 | but i can play sound on the machine its running on and hear it |
| 08:13.19 | lotu5 | i've tried running it with -v 10 and with the icecast log level all the way up, but i don't see any errors |
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| 08:13.50 | frederic | i restart X .. after a pause :) thx... brb |
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| 08:13.59 | nomed^ | hi |
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| 08:15.44 | nomed^ | i've a problem with my laptop, since yesterday it's strongly slower, i didn't change anything, it seems to be connected using vnc on an old pc. |
| 08:16.21 | nomed^ | what can it be? how can i make some test to understand what's happened? |
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| 08:17.02 | smurf_ | sup |
| 08:17.10 | smurf_ | any body awake |
| 08:17.17 | dondelelcaro | smurf_: no |
| 08:17.21 | smurf_ | lol |
| 08:17.25 | smurf_ | good to hear |
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| 08:18.39 | nomed^ | any suggestions for my problem? |
| 08:19.13 | nomed^ | it's orrible to use my pc in this way .. also the boot up it's very slow |
| 08:19.19 | resiak | nomed^: Fire up top, see what's eating things. |
| 08:19.56 | smurf_ | good idea or bad a n00b setting up her own debian os |
| 08:20.07 | smurf_ | possible or no |
| 08:20.20 | lotu5 | can anyone help me with darkice? |
| 08:20.22 | lotu5 | or tell me where to get help with it? |
| 08:20.49 | nomed^ | i just checked with free and it's using 288440 over 514500 |
| 08:21.21 | nomed^ | resiak, how can i see what eating things? |
| 08:21.38 | resiak | nomed^: Play around with top, gnome-system-monitor, things like that. |
| 08:22.26 | dondelelcaro | smurf_: sure, a drinky nerd can install Debian. |
| 08:22.47 | dondelelcaro | nomed^: you're going to have to give us a whole lot more detail on what is actually slower. |
| 08:22.50 | MobyTurbo | !d-i smurf_ |
| 08:22.50 | dpkg | smurf_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 08:23.01 | nomed^ | no gnome .. just xfce |
| 08:23.06 | smurf_ | but is it worth it |
| 08:23.26 | dondelelcaro | smurf_: this is #debian. Of course we think it is. |
| 08:23.34 | smurf_ | lol |
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| 08:24.24 | smurf_ | ive ran a lot of distros and cant find one thats right for me yet |
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| 08:24.52 | smurf_ | didnt like fedora |
| 08:24.56 | smurf_ | slax |
| 08:25.04 | smurf_ | phlak |
| 08:25.15 | nomed^ | dondelelcaro, top seems normal .. sometimes i connect using vnc to my laptop from an old pentium 75 24 Mb of ram .. the effect it's the same |
| 08:25.18 | smurf_ | need to build a sys from the ground up |
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| 08:25.33 | smurf_ | what i was asking was can i do that with debian |
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| 08:25.36 | nomed^ | s/it's/seems |
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| 08:27.48 | Coke | smurf_: what are you asking? |
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| 08:28.27 | smurf_ | i need a basic os that i can put toghter from scrath |
| 08:28.33 | streuner | Coke: he is asking, How can i shoot myself into foot best |
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| 08:28.55 | NetDC | !dpkg |
| 08:28.55 | dpkg | [dpkg] the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 08:28.58 | Coke | smurf_: well, pretty much any GNU distribution will give you that |
| 08:29.08 | Aeo|sleep | how do i find out what my vertical and horisontal sync range are on my computer?? |
| 08:29.22 | resiak | !hwinfo |
| 08:29.22 | dpkg | [hwinfo] your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 08:29.26 | Coke | Aeo|sleep: you mean on your monitor? |
| 08:29.41 | jm_ | I would look into its manual as first thing |
| 08:29.43 | Coke | Aeo|sleep: you can either test until it goes blank or read the manual. some new ones can be proped. |
| 08:29.46 | Aeo|sleep | Coke, yeah.. it? an thinkpad |
| 08:29.52 | MobyTurbo | smurf_: Debian offers a fairly minimal installation, assuming you don't select any packages while installing. Then you can apt-get it piece by piece to your heart's content. |
| 08:30.27 | Aeo|sleep | Coke, but it dont get blank in xf86config |
| 08:30.43 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: you call 300mb minimal? |
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| 08:30.55 | tarzeau | god i've still harddisks with 34mb capacity |
| 08:31.03 | tarzeau | and 125mb hds too! |
| 08:31.03 | Aeo|sleep | the moste critical is the vertical |
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| 08:31.15 | Coke | Aeo|sleep: no, I never said it would. you have to set the screen resolutions in order to blank it. |
| 08:31.19 | streuner | smurf_: so you want maintain and upgrade all packages or apps in that system, even with there bugs and upgrade every packages or app? |
| 08:31.21 | Coke | Aeo|sleep: read the manual. |
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| 08:31.32 | lotu5 | ok, here's a better question, how can i get input working for my sb live 24bit? |
| 08:31.39 | smurf_ | pritty much |
| 08:31.45 | lotu5 | i dont have any input levels in kmix |
| 08:31.57 | streuner | smurf_: well, there are other ways to waste your time |
| 08:31.58 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: it's minimal compared to most other mainstream distributions today. |
| 08:32.03 | lotu5 | i'm using alsa |
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| 08:32.45 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: it doubled with every stable release of debian |
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| 08:33.07 | smurf_ | yeah g thx |
| 08:33.21 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: if you compare to others you can never get the best |
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| 08:33.39 | liable | lotu5: alsamixer line in? |
| 08:34.23 | cafuego | streuner: gentoo |
| 08:34.24 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: well, I did notice that sarge includes python and other stuff that Woody didn't... |
| 08:34.32 | liable | lotu5: remove kmix, it sucks and can cause conflicts |
| 08:35.13 | lotu5 | liable: i dont have a line in in my alsamixer either |
| 08:35.14 | ircdevil | !learning by osmosis |
| 08:35.14 | dpkg | it has been said that learning by osmosis is taking a manual or text book, etc. and use as a pillow. Then knowledge will migrate from high concentration (manual/text book/etc,) towards lower concentration (your brain). Now, go sleep on that! |
| 08:35.39 | ircdevil | i got my ms that way ... |
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| 08:35.49 | peterrooney | man sleep |
| 08:35.54 | jm_ | ircdevil: menstrual syndrome? |
| 08:35.56 | lotu5 | liable: the only thing sounding roughly like input is "capture feedback into playback" |
| 08:35.57 | lotu5 | heh |
| 08:36.09 | liable | lotu5: external? |
| 08:36.16 | liable | dunno, play with it |
| 08:36.28 | ircdevil | jm_: master of science (silly name btw) |
| 08:36.36 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: is that really needed in a minimal installation? |
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| 08:36.48 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: maybe there should be an option to really have only a minimal installation |
| 08:36.53 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: no |
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| 08:37.03 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: nobody wants to install so much stuff on a 486 computer or a low-end sparc |
| 08:37.25 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: or they can stop supporting right away low-end non-x86 |
| 08:37.36 | Coke | smurf_: why don't you just install Debian instead of hanging here? |
| 08:37.52 | lotu5 | liable: ok, so hitting f4 i can see the capture controls in alsamixer, but i can't change any of the values |
| 08:38.06 | Coke | smurf_: the net install takes less than ten minutes. |
| 08:38.26 | liable | lotu5: I use the arrow keys |
| 08:38.27 | smurf_ | actualy i am |
| 08:38.32 | smurf_ | on my laptop |
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| 08:38.43 | tarzeau | !cookie cafuego |
| 08:38.45 | dpkg | Hey tarzeau, cmd petasmite is heh i blocked cafuego |
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| 08:38.57 | cafuego | !petsmite tarzeau |
| 08:39.05 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: there's actually the possibility that a lot of cross platform support will be dropped in etch, unfortunately. |
| 08:39.19 | lotu5 | liable: i know, i can adjust other volumes, just not the input volumes |
| 08:39.22 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: no that's not true |
| 08:39.32 | lotu5 | liable: is there another module for input for ca0106? |
| 08:39.36 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: AS400 users don't NEED kde. |
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| 08:40.12 | tarzeau | i am sure they do not need GNOME neither |
| 08:40.14 | MobyTurbo | cafuego: er, Debian doesn't include KDE in the base system - and I'm *not* defending bloated installs. |
| 08:40.17 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 08:40.27 | liable | lotu5: does it have mm at the bottom? |
| 08:40.33 | jetscreamer | everybody needs both gnome and kde |
| 08:40.37 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: if you select "desktop" it installs only JUNK |
| 08:40.41 | tarzeau | in tasksel |
| 08:40.47 | jetscreamer | yes tasksel is god |
| 08:40.50 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: DIE! |
| 08:40.55 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: I never bother with taksel |
| 08:41.00 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: it comes by default |
| 08:41.18 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: unfortunately. |
| 08:41.32 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: no, it installs good stuff too... it's just that most of it is junk |
| 08:41.33 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: i consider this a major disadvantage |
| 08:41.41 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: tell me one good stuff |
| 08:41.43 | jetscreamer | both kde and gnome are a bit overkill for tasksel to be installing.. maybe they need their own sections in tasksel |
| 08:41.49 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, what is junk and what is not seems to be different for every person |
| 08:41.58 | jetscreamer | it installs twm! twm roxors! |
| 08:42.00 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: if only they'd at least check if there's enough diskspace on the destination |
| 08:42.03 | liable | no, thats good |
| 08:42.05 | jetscreamer | that too |
| 08:42.10 | lotu5 | liable: no? |
| 08:42.15 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: ack on twm |
| 08:42.17 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: uh, like xfree86-common? xlibs? xfonts-base? |
| 08:42.25 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: the list goes on |
| 08:42.37 | jetscreamer | it should just install icewm and some xstuff |
| 08:42.47 | liable | lotu5: the bottom of the bar, does it have 00 or mm |
| 08:43.00 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: it's really geared for people who don't have a clue... for them gnome or kde is probably betst |
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| 08:43.05 | liable | for input |
| 08:43.21 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: anyone who knows what they want better know enough not to select it |
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| 08:43.32 | jetscreamer | kde metapackage or the gnome metapackage ... which is bloatier? :) |
| 08:43.39 | lotu5 | liable: on the input screen there are no bars at all |
| 08:43.44 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: aren't both? |
| 08:44.02 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: kde is worse with the non-unix way it acts |
| 08:44.02 | liable | lotu5: huh, 'input screen'? |
| 08:44.04 | jetscreamer | yeah, but which one is more bloated than the other i mean |
| 08:44.16 | jetscreamer | yeah it installs both, dondelelcaro |
| 08:44.18 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: with the uber-ugly fonts and windowdecoration |
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| 08:44.43 | lotu5 | liable: you have to press f4 to see input volume levels, f3 for output |
| 08:44.56 | jetscreamer | i kinda like kde better than gnome, kinda sorta (like do i want arsenic or a hanging) |
| 08:44.57 | lotu5 | liable: or playback/capture |
| 08:45.21 | trc | want to add my own tex macros, where should i put them before running texhash? |
| 08:45.23 | liable | lotu5: ok, dunno, thats diff to mine, sorry, try gogle i spose :( |
| 08:45.41 | dondelelcaro | trc: you stick them in ~/texmf and run maketexlsr |
| 08:45.49 | dondelelcaro | s/make/mk/ |
| 08:45.50 | jetscreamer | i just ripped gnome out of my kid's box and installed kde fluxbox and enlightenment... in a week or so i'll rip kde out. |
| 08:45.50 | liable | lotu5: only have shitty onboard sound. |
| 08:46.00 | lotu5 | liable: well fuck, just found the answer: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=audigyls |
| 08:46.08 | liable | heh, cool |
| 08:46.14 | dondelelcaro | trc: read the kpathsea documentation |
| 08:46.14 | jetscreamer | kde has 16 minutes left |
| 08:46.28 | trc | dondeelcaro: thanks |
| 08:46.34 | jetscreamer | Need to get 238MB of archives |
| 08:46.41 | liable | untill it crashes? ;) |
| 08:46.48 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: sarge? |
| 08:46.53 | jetscreamer | sid |
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| 08:46.59 | jetscreamer | kids on sid |
| 08:47.08 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: mind also looking at gnustep ? |
| 08:47.18 | jetscreamer | sure if it's apt-gettable |
| 08:47.23 | cafuego | jetscreamer: ... and then it will explode? |
| 08:47.26 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: sure it is |
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| 08:47.45 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: gnome is version 65, and kde 5:44 |
| 08:48.02 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: remember what greycat said about debian versions > 5 ? |
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| 08:48.19 | jetscreamer | no, i musta missed that |
| 08:48.41 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: lets' compare bug counts |
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| 08:49.19 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: gnome 17, kde 19 |
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| 08:50.05 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: kde metapackage is older than gnome metapackage |
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| 08:50.37 | liable | what does greycat say about >5? |
| 08:50.49 | tarzeau | liable: i don't remember, let's ask him again when he's back |
| 08:50.49 | jetscreamer | i use dselect, get the meta package, then unselect it and whatever i don't want.. takes a long ass time, but worth the lack of kruft |
| 08:50.54 | tarzeau | liable: but not good stuff :) |
| 08:51.02 | liable | oh, ok |
| 08:51.29 | liable | funny, thought stuff would get better/more reliable |
| 08:51.31 | dondelelcaro | versions really aren't that big of a deal because some upstreams use insane version schemes |
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| 08:51.51 | dondelelcaro | however, large epochs should start sounding claxons |
| 08:52.12 | liable | whys that? |
| 08:52.19 | jetscreamer | one day far in the future, i see me wiping their hd's and handing them some install disks and saying 'good luck' |
| 08:52.26 | liable | buggy to start with? |
| 08:52.27 | Xsquared | does anyone know of any good irc dcc file sharing bot for linux that can use ssl? |
| 08:52.30 | trc | dondeelcaro: did it, run as trc and as root, and still got I can't find file `cosas.tex', hmm |
| 08:52.41 | trc | dondeelcaro: did it, run texhash as trc and as root, and still got I can't find file `cosas.tex', hmm |
| 08:52.55 | liable | trc: use tab completion :) |
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| 08:53.28 | jetscreamer | hey, one kid got so sick of not having a computer, she learned how to disassemble and reassemble a computer, from the mb on up |
| 08:53.29 | karsten | Someone mentioned a 'what's my busiest network process' app here the other day, anyone recall that? |
| 08:53.34 | dondelelcaro | trc: if it's latex it needs to go into a different subdirectory, like latex/tex/generic/cosas.tex or whatever |
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| 08:54.40 | jetscreamer | 166kB/s 8m8s |
| 08:54.42 | trc | liable: yeap, i just wrote the location by hand; I will try this last suggestion, thanks |
| 08:54.44 | jetscreamer | :( |
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| 08:55.08 | jetscreamer | nuke em |
| 08:55.11 | pngwn | heh |
| 08:55.15 | jethro | mornin |
| 08:55.16 | jetscreamer | !ops sweetcAT* |
| 08:55.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: sweetcAT* |
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| 08:55.27 | liable | dondelelcaro: I just dict'ed epoch, and your last comment has completely confused me |
| 08:55.52 | jetscreamer | sup jeth |
| 08:56.00 | _neoxan_ | debian4ever |
| 08:56.23 | streuner | bonjour |
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| 08:57.07 | jetscreamer | deb+ian 4ever? |
| 08:57.18 | jetscreamer | need a tree |
| 08:57.41 | cafuego | bong this |
| 08:57.54 | jetscreamer | bhaangs bite |
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| 08:58.18 | Knight_Lord | Is anyone having strange problems with xmms in sid |
| 08:58.18 | Knight_Lord | ? |
| 08:58.29 | jetscreamer | no but i did with xine |
| 08:58.31 | jethro | no |
| 08:58.40 | tarzeau | yay 59 rc bugs left |
| 08:58.41 | _neoxan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.50 | jetscreamer | yep |
| 08:58.55 | jetscreamer | lose some weight |
| 08:59.33 | Knight_Lord | my xmms doesn't even start anymore |
| 08:59.41 | Xsquared | know of any good irc file sharing bot(s) for linux that can use ssl (standalone)? |
| 08:59.46 | Knight_Lord | and it segfault on exit |
| 08:59.53 | liable | Knight_Lord: file a bug |
| 09:00.11 | jetscreamer | !info supybot |
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| 09:00.26 | jetscreamer | i think it supports ssl now but can't swear |
| 09:00.28 | liable | ffs |
| 09:00.32 | dpkg | supybot: (robust and user friendly Python IRC bot), section net, is optional. Version: 0.80.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 589 kB, Installed size: 2968 kB |
| 09:00.45 | jetscreamer | holy fuckina /msg spam from sweetcat* |
| 09:00.46 | liable | !ops SweetCAT966 |
| 09:00.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SweetCAT966 |
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| 09:00.50 | Xsquared | SHIT |
| 09:00.57 | Xsquared | floodin |
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| 09:01.00 | jethro | Knight_Lord: how can it segfault on exit if it cant' start in the first place? |
| 09:01.03 | jetscreamer | omg i have 50 billion windows |
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| 09:01.20 | liable | bob2: tnx |
| 09:01.31 | Knight_Lord | jethro i killed it with sigterm |
| 09:01.51 | Knight_Lord | jethro what i mean by not starting is blocking up before anything graphical showing up |
| 09:01.56 | jetscreamer | well they're tabs but shit |
| 09:02.11 | karsten | !ops /who Sweet* and kline 'em. |
| 09:02.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: /who Sweet* and kline 'em. |
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| 09:02.38 | bob2 | freenode staff have been informed |
| 09:02.46 | dondelelcaro | karsten: uh, most of the ops here can't kline anyone |
| 09:02.59 | bob2 | only lorez and RichiH |
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| 09:03.27 | ivoks | hm |
| 09:03.34 | ivoks | kick debianrulez* |
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| 09:03.53 | ivoks | and sweetcat* |
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| 09:04.05 | dondelelcaro | ivoks: ? |
| 09:04.10 | ivoks | flooding |
| 09:04.21 | dondelelcaro | ivoks: ? |
| 09:04.22 | bob2 | there's no "debianrulez*" in here |
| 09:04.23 | ivoks | ups... |
| 09:04.27 | ivoks | they aren't here |
| 09:04.30 | bob2 | nor "sweetcat*" |
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| 09:04.59 | jetscreamer | karsten: /umode +E |
| 09:05.09 | ivoks | i see now.. i tought some kid is having stoopid scripts |
| 09:05.25 | ivoks | couse i got over 30 messages when i entered #debian |
| 09:05.28 | tarzeau | say i distribute lame binaries large scale. what are the implications of that to me? |
| 09:05.30 | jethro | smart |
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| 09:05.57 | ivoks | here they are :) |
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| 09:06.23 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 09:06.26 | *** mode/#debian [+m] by dondelelcaro |
| 09:06.31 | *** mode/#debian [-m] by dondelelcaro |
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| 09:06.36 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 09:06.45 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@unserserver.org]] by bob2 |
| 09:06.45 | jethro | hah |
| 09:07.01 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@dns1.fsc1.de] by bob2 |
| 09:07.02 | _neoxan_ | lol |
| 09:07.03 | Bazzi | why do I hate those kids? |
| 09:07.08 | liable | holy shit, that sucks |
| 09:07.13 | _neoxan_ | cause they are lame? |
| 09:07.16 | jethro | Bazzi: because they are irritating? |
| 09:07.19 | Bazzi | and they spam my logs |
| 09:07.22 | Bazzi | ;-) |
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| 09:07.45 | jetscreamer | /umode +E seems to work |
| 09:07.48 | liable | ban fest :) |
| 09:07.56 | Knight_Lord | Now i'm getting this nice errors/usr/lib/xmms/Input/libmpg123.so: undefined symbol: xmms_charset_from_utf8 |
| 09:08.05 | *** mode/#debian [-i] by dondelelcaro |
| 09:08.06 | bob2 | Knight_Lord: something fucked your libraries |
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| 09:08.23 | bob2 | ah +i, good move |
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| 09:09.00 | karsten | jetscreamer: I'm working behind *massive* lag here. I'm voiced on #freenode. |
| 09:09.08 | Xsquared | bob2: u have a ] on the end of that ban |
| 09:09.20 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 09:09.23 | karsten | !ops I'm getting /msg spammed by SweetCat & aliases. |
| 09:09.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@unserserver.org] by bob2 |
| 09:09.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: I'm getting /msg spammed by SweetCat & aliases. |
| 09:09.31 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@unserserver.org] by bob2 |
| 09:09.32 | dondelelcaro | karsten: /uomde +E |
| 09:09.38 | bob2 | karsten: dude, there's nothing we can do |
| 09:09.43 | bob2 | set +E or /ignore them |
| 09:09.45 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 09:09.48 | dondelelcaro | s/om/mo/ |
| 09:09.56 | bob2 | Xsquared: thanks |
| 09:10.01 | Xsquared | bob2: np |
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| 09:10.16 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@p508B7665.dip.t-dialin.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 09:10.16 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 09:10.39 | ivoks | hehehe |
| 09:10.52 | karsten | bob2: Doing that. Can I ignore from an address? |
| 09:11.06 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.07 | dondelelcaro | karsten: you can just go /ignore debianrulez* MSGS |
| 09:11.08 | ivoks | karsten |
| 09:11.12 | ivoks | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.21 | dondelelcaro | or whatever... |
| 09:11.24 | Knight_Lord | bob2 undefined symbol problem fixed but i still can't get xmms to play. It skips over every song |
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| 09:12.23 | Knight_Lord | strange thing is that if i only have 1 mp3 in my playlist it works fine. With more it just skips over all the mp3s |
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| 09:13.46 | karsten | Effin'a that's annoying. |
| 09:13.50 | Knight_Lord | turning on repeat reproduces the same effect with just 1 file inthe playlist |
| 09:13.59 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ivoks: thanks. |
| 09:14.00 | jetscreamer | shit no voice in freenode for me thanks to that putz |
| 09:14.35 | liable | same ip block? |
| 09:14.43 | liable | or something? |
| 09:14.47 | peterS | jetscreamer: what putz? no voice for most people in #freenode *all* the time, until you're manually +v'd |
| 09:14.52 | kreg | anything in linux that compares to Windows Media Center Edition? |
| 09:15.06 | bob2 | kreg: no |
| 09:15.12 | bob2 | no one has ever made a meda player for linux |
| 09:15.27 | jetscreamer | peterS: because i didn't have +E set, i closed and restarted xchat to get rid of the /msg window spam from the putz-spammer |
| 09:15.29 | kreg | sure |
| 09:15.30 | kreg | .. |
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| 09:15.36 | peterS | jetscreamer: ahhh |
| 09:15.44 | kreg | bob2, plenty of media players |
| 09:15.44 | ivoks | kreg i tried to create one |
| 09:15.50 | ivoks | but, that's PITA |
| 09:16.07 | ivoks | so me and company i work for droped the idea |
| 09:16.08 | kreg | ivoks, i looked at mythTV, but it looks to be more PVR oriented. |
| 09:16.29 | ivoks | kreg maybe with time it will be better, but for now... |
| 09:16.35 | ivoks | kreg there is one project |
| 09:16.36 | kreg | i'm looking for something to extend a desktop on my svideo out, or dvi out, and run a media player over there. |
| 09:16.40 | ivoks | but is' comercial |
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| 09:17.01 | jetscreamer | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/v/vim/vim- (*) |
| 09:17.05 | ivoks | xcube computers have hometheater (FM, DVD, MP3, CD player) based on linux |
| 09:17.24 | jetscreamer | fjound it now |
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| 09:17.56 | kjparker | hello ppl |
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| 09:19.13 | IDC | i have uninstalled exim,but some info remains in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 09:19.21 | IDC | can i safely remove them ? |
| 09:19.28 | jetscreamer | apt-get install --purge blah |
| 09:19.40 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 09:19.44 | IDC | ? |
| 09:19.49 | ivoks | aptitude purge blah |
| 09:19.49 | IDC | install what ? |
| 09:19.54 | Guerin | remove --purge might seem more intuitive |
| 09:19.58 | jetscreamer | ah yeah oops |
| 09:20.09 | IDC | hmm |
| 09:20.10 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge exim* |
| 09:20.15 | tarzeau | wait, they want money for a mp3 decoder? http://mp3licensing.com/royalty/index.html |
| 09:20.18 | IDC | wait |
| 09:20.23 | jm_ | tarzeau: doh |
| 09:20.48 | kjparker | hmm, how do i ask dpkg about the procedure for going from sarge to sid? |
| 09:20.48 | IDC | i cannot do that |
| 09:20.59 | jetscreamer | ok do something a little different |
| 09:21.00 | IDC | it will uninstall mysql-server autogether |
| 09:21.10 | IDC | cannot use --purge |
| 09:21.22 | jetscreamer | or is it the exim* |
| 09:21.25 | liable | can I put my nick password into irssi conf to auto register? |
| 09:21.27 | IDC | also,i couldn't run 'apt-get remove exim' nor 'exim4' |
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| 09:21.37 | jetscreamer | wierd |
| 09:21.39 | IDC | but i had to install another mta that it auto remove the current |
| 09:21.43 | jm_ | kjparker: /msg dpkg sarge->sid but think twice about it |
| 09:21.44 | gary | Can anyone see anything wrong with this: tar -cvfz documents_backup.tar.gz ./documents to create a tar.gz file |
| 09:21.45 | IDC | yea |
| 09:22.00 | jetscreamer | gary: the - |
| 09:22.03 | gary | It says "Error Exit delayed from previous error" |
| 09:22.04 | gary | oh |
| 09:22.05 | gary | thanks |
| 09:22.14 | karsten | gary: Looks sane |
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| 09:22.16 | gary | yay, it works |
| 09:22.18 | gary | thanks |
| 09:22.31 | karsten | jetscreamer: Not necessary, but not anerror. |
| 09:22.38 | jetscreamer | borked on me once |
| 09:22.46 | jetscreamer | all i know, and it worked for him |
| 09:22.55 | joel_ | Im getting pretty tired of the old xmms winamp-clone, whats a good alternative? |
| 09:23.04 | jetscreamer | xine-ui |
| 09:23.09 | jetscreamer | vlc |
| 09:23.19 | Guerin | joel_: cplay |
| 09:23.35 | Guerin | works in screen(1), allowing your music to live on if you kill or restart x |
| 09:23.59 | joel_ | I personally use cplay, I need something easier with a GUI for my friends box.. |
| 09:24.12 | luulis | joel_: if you want a GUI one, amaroK if you use kde, rhytmbox if GNOME or something else.. |
| 09:24.13 | Guerin | bah, there's practically nothing else worth using |
| 09:24.21 | jetscreamer | xine-ui |
| 09:24.25 | joel_ | thanks guys |
| 09:24.29 | Guerin | xmms is still undisputed kinf of gui music players |
| 09:24.37 | Guerin | s/f/g/ |
| 09:24.59 | jetscreamer | i have yet to figure out how to get xmms to play a fuckin cd |
| 09:25.08 | jetscreamer | seriously |
| 09:25.12 | jethro | !pal jetscreamer |
| 09:25.15 | jetscreamer | works great on everything else |
| 09:25.19 | jethro | :D |
| 09:25.23 | karsten | Guerin: To die for Kinf and Countrf! |
| 09:25.40 | Guerin | i don't even have any music cds any more |
| 09:25.41 | Guerin | well |
| 09:25.50 | Guerin | i do, but they're in a garage 10,000km away |
| 09:25.52 | karsten | Guerin: Does this mean you're now a spam kinf? |
| 09:25.59 | jetscreamer | i was gonna try opening cdda://dev/hdd or something next time |
| 09:26.00 | Guerin | karsten: itym Kinf and Countru |
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| 09:26.20 | lazymanc | my apache2 installation prompts for me to download .php files instead of executing them, what do I need to do? |
| 09:26.31 | karsten | Guerin: That's an alternative. |
| 09:26.32 | jetscreamer | set the mime type thing? |
| 09:26.45 | liable | jetscreamer: in the menu innit, play directory, cdrom? |
| 09:26.47 | karsten | lazymanc: Configure PHP. |
| 09:26.47 | Guerin | karsten: heh, I had a momentary shock this morning, thinking my mailserver was pwn3d, because I was getting fairly realistically joe-jobbed |
| 09:26.57 | jetscreamer | liable: never found it yet |
| 09:26.58 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:27.07 | Guerin | apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 09:27.09 | Guerin | or so |
| 09:27.22 | karsten | lazymanc: /etc/apache/conf/conf/conf.d/php4.conf |
| 09:27.27 | liable | jetscreamer: weird |
| 09:27.47 | lazymanc | thx |
| 09:27.48 | karsten | Guerin: I got slammed with ~50 items from USF. Joe-jobbing seems to be making the rounds. |
| 09:28.10 | karsten | Guerin: ...I CC'd USF's EVP Services & Crud on the LART. |
| 09:28.18 | Guerin | yeah. These bounce messages were from a german isp (web.de) |
| 09:28.36 | karsten | Guerin: Nothing like sending an email that says YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND YOUR BOSS IS NOW AWARE OF IT, KAPICHE? |
| 09:28.42 | jetscreamer | liable: yeah that menu selection is there |
| 09:28.49 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:28.56 | hayden | how do i run a string thru crypt() to get a hash? |
| 09:29.03 | karsten | Guerin: I also copied Herr Bernstein, of the esteemed qmail. |
| 09:29.10 | liable | jetscreamer: but doesnt work? |
| 09:29.15 | jm_ | hayden: tried mkpasswd? |
| 09:29.23 | Guerin | karsten: hah. that'll go straight to /dev/null |
| 09:29.25 | karsten | hayden: What kind of hash do you want? |
| 09:29.26 | hayden | whats that do |
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| 09:29.29 | jetscreamer | nope.. didn't try browsing for /dev/blah |
| 09:29.32 | karsten | hayden: ...I've got a line on some _really_ good hash.... |
| 09:29.34 | jm_ | man page will tell you |
| 09:29.46 | Guerin | i have some good marrakech, it's not cheap though... |
| 09:29.48 | karsten | Guerin: It was the PRINCIPLE of the thing, damnit. |
| 09:29.56 | hayden | ... The hashed-password argument is a cleartext string which has been passed through the standard unix crypt() function. Do NOT use a cleartext password. |
| 09:30.06 | karsten | Guerin: That and some tar? |
| 09:30.18 | Guerin | karsten: it's the GZ that really does the trick, though. |
| 09:30.38 | karsten | Guerin: GZ? |
| 09:30.46 | hayden | gunzip |
| 09:30.50 | Guerin | the tar is so much bettah when it's been gz'ed |
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| 09:31.30 | ivoks | how is uxterm different of xterm? |
| 09:31.33 | karsten | hayden: man makepasswd |
| 09:31.52 | karsten | ivoks: It has a 'u' in front of it. |
| 09:32.01 | liable | w00t, exploding buildings on telly :) |
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| 09:32.07 | Guerin | but yeah, speaking of joejobs, one of my friends coincidentally got some joejobs purportedly from me. He didn't believe they weren't really from me until I sent him a bunch of emails from himself, billgates@microsoft.com and president@whitehouse.gov |
| 09:32.10 | togs | even after un-commenting out the extension=mysql.so in php.ini, phpinfo doesn't seem to show mysql support |
| 09:32.14 | karsten | hayden: What you haven't managed to tell us is what you're doing. Presumably it's creating a large number of accounts with passwords. |
| 09:32.17 | liable | s/exploding/imploding |
| 09:32.28 | ivoks | karsten :) |
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| 09:32.42 | karsten | Guerin: Heh. I did mail from president@whitehouse.gov on a mailing list one time, to hammer that point. |
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| 09:32.52 | Guerin | yeah; it needs to be done. |
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| 09:33.20 | karsten | ivoks: 'apt-cache show' or 'man uxterm'. I think it's a small (think greek mu) or internationalized, not sure which. |
| 09:33.24 | ircdevil | i need some postscript enlightenment. i have a ps file that i want to import in xfig, however, xfig seems to convert the ps file to bitmap while importing and the text get all blurred. |
| 09:33.46 | karsten | ircdevil: eps? |
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| 09:33.58 | karsten | ircdevil: ...that being, methinks, what you want. |
| 09:34.08 | ivoks | uxterm is xterm with utf8 |
| 09:34.14 | hellop | How do I view or install the "Recommended Packages" that are shown when I install something? |
| 09:34.19 | karsten | ivoks: unicode. |
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| 09:34.28 | ircdevil | karsten: well - actually the ps file i have comes in what i think is some ancient ps format. so i have to use ps2ps in order to get a ps file that xfig actually will import |
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| 09:34.32 | pingpong | ftp.uk.debian.org is really slow, anyone know what is happening with it? |
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| 09:34.39 | ircdevil | karsten: xfig imports both ps and eps |
| 09:34.47 | togs | what package is needed for sql support in php/apache - show that it shows in phpinfo()? I have libapache-mod-auth-mysql (4.3.9-2) installed |
| 09:34.49 | AnguS__ | hi! i installed bopm via apt-get, configured it but doing /etc/init.d/bopm start nothing happens, it doesn't start, and there are no useful logs :( any ideas? |
| 09:35.01 | liable | pingpong: maybe its busy? |
| 09:35.05 | AnguS__ | (debian sarge) |
| 09:35.21 | ircdevil | karsten: and what exactly is the difference between ps and eps (besides the obvious e) |
| 09:35.37 | hellop | pingpong, dunno but ftp.debian.org is blazing fast |
| 09:35.56 | pingpong | liable: maybe, but there was a problem routing to it yesterday. |
| 09:36.07 | jm_ | ircdevil: encapsulated |
| 09:36.14 | liable | pingpong: yes, but was it busy yesterday :) |
| 09:36.20 | ircdevil | jm_ sure, but what does that imply? |
| 09:36.29 | liable | pingpong: try another |
| 09:36.37 | pingpong | liable, lol, okay. |
| 09:36.49 | Aeo|sleep | witch program shuld i use? for X gdm,xdm or kdm??? |
| 09:36.50 | karsten | ircdevil: eps == encapsulated. I think it's what you want. It's for incorporating into other documents, basically. |
| 09:36.56 | jm_ | ircdevil: that you can encapsulate it in other documents |
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| 09:38.24 | ircdevil | jm_ karsten ok - so i will convert using ps2epsi? (and what is the exact difference between eps and epsi besides the obvoius i?) |
| 09:39.38 | creature | Hi guys. I've recently switched from Woody to Sarge, and now under X my mouse is much more sensitive. One "notch" on my mousewheel up and down seems to count for two, and the mouse pointer is much faster. How can I set it back to the old settings? |
| 09:39.48 | jm_ | ircdevil: it includes a bitmaped image of the document that can be used in preview, no sure about the rest |
| 09:40.17 | kjparker | wow i'm lagging tonight.... |
| 09:40.44 | hellop | How do I view or install the "Recommended Packages" that are shown when I install something? |
| 09:40.46 | kjparker | 25 minutes to do an apt-get update |
| 09:40.56 | hellop | Is removing and reinstall the only option? |
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| 09:41.41 | creature | hellop - I believe "apt-cache show packagename" should list them. |
| 09:41.42 | jm_ | hellop: apt-cache shows them, apt-get can install them |
| 09:41.45 | ircdevil | jm_ ok - now, i have tried this and the resulting eps file still looks blurred in xfig - but is that because xfig just shows the image preview (blurred) but in reality keeps the eps data and merges those with any new drawed object upon exporting eps ? |
| 09:41.49 | hellop | Aeo|sleep, use xdm, but better to install at least a small window manager like enlightenment. |
| 09:42.15 | jm_ | ircdevil: well try to print it to a file and then use gv to view that |
| 09:42.27 | lazymanc | i'm trying to configure php4 but where do I run ./configure ?? |
| 09:42.33 | hellop | jm_, It's the "Suggested Packages" that I'm trying to get. |
| 09:43.57 | hellop | creature, that does seem to work. But I don't think it shows all of them. |
| 09:44.10 | jm_ | hellop: aptitude can do that, and yes, it shows all of them |
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| 09:45.33 | ircdevil | jm_ ok - the file looks nice enuf in gv. now, i need to get a better/less blurred preview image so i can actually recognice the text from within xfig. is it ghostscript that is invoked when you convert eps to bitmap? |
| 09:45.57 | hellop | creature, for instance when I tried to install enlightenment, it told em which X to install x-base-system or something. However that's not there in the show command. |
| 09:46.02 | hellop | And xdm is not installed. |
| 09:46.45 | IDC | I finally got my email service working :D and its tied up with the PHP forum program to help users to retrieve password when they lost it :) |
| 09:46.59 | jm_ | hellop: it was x-window-system-core |
| 09:47.14 | IDC | well,the truth is configuring exim4 is a challenge,except for exim3 :) |
| 09:47.21 | ircdevil | gs myfile.eps looks awful - very much like the blurred image within xfig. |
| 09:47.24 | liable | IDC: sweet :) |
| 09:47.29 | jm_ | ircdevil: I don't know how it does it internally, you can strace it to find out the commands it uses |
| 09:47.31 | IDC | liable, cheerz :D |
| 09:47.52 | ircdevil | jm_ i need a ps guru :o) |
| 09:48.17 | IDC | liable, you know what,i was so confused the smtp stuff i was wondering even i have had a mta configured properly i still needed a dedicated local smtp server if i do not want to use the free smtp not in local |
| 09:48.31 | Guerin | lazymanc: you don't |
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| 09:48.47 | Guerin | lazymanc: ./configure is what you run before you compile it, and you're not going to compile it |
| 09:48.49 | IDC | liable, The answer is no :) the mta does the job already |
| 09:49.09 | Guerin | an mta IS a smtp server |
| 09:49.11 | jm_ | ircdevil: maybe that's because it shows the preview pic |
| 09:49.28 | IDC | Guerin, yeah i should have figured that out early |
| 09:49.31 | ircdevil | hmm i do remember something from years ago about ghostscript was supposed to be rewritten - that is gs works kinda badly with pdf and such. anyone? |
| 09:49.36 | nwo | if i do 'make-kpkg kernel_image' I get "The changelog says we are creating 2.6.5.040415, but I thought the version is 2.6.5" |
| 09:49.49 | nwo | any ideas? |
| 09:49.59 | IDC | Guerin, so right now i can tell the users to use my smtp service ?if they want to |
| 09:50.08 | jetscreamer | man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 09:50.11 | rocky23 | hi all im trying to get snort up and running, so ive d.led the latest tar from there site, extracted and run a configure, it says i need the libpcap libraries, so i went to tcpdump.org d.led the latest, ran a ./configure, make and make install, then went to configure snort again and im still getting - ERROR! Libpcap library/headers not found, go get it from |
| 09:50.11 | rocky23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.13 | nwo | which package do I need to upgrade to renew make-kpkg? |
| 09:50.17 | jetscreamer | man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 09:50.22 | ircdevil | jm_: i guess so - now, can it be tricked into rendering a better preview pic or a re-render if you zoom into the image... |
| 09:50.44 | ircdevil | !gs |
| 09:50.44 | dpkg | i heard gs is The Linux Installation and Getting Started guide can be found at http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/LDP/gs/gs.html |
| 09:50.52 | ircdevil | !ghostscript |
| 09:50.53 | dpkg | [ghostscript] a postscript processor, get it at http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ |
| 09:52.15 | nwo | jetscreamer: that hint is referring to me? |
| 09:52.57 | lazymanc | guerin: ok, but how do I tell apache2 that it should use php? |
| 09:52.58 | Guerin | IDC: sure, if you have it set up for them. Also, from the machine, do this: telnet relay-test.mail-abuse.org |
| 09:53.10 | lazymanc | I thought apt-get was supposed to do that for me? |
| 09:53.14 | Guerin | lazymanc: what php packages have you installed? |
| 09:53.19 | Guerin | it is |
| 09:53.30 | lazymanc | I did an apt-get install php4 |
| 09:53.37 | jm_ | rocky23: you're not using Debian, are you? |
| 09:54.00 | Guerin | lazymanc: put the output of COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |grep php4; on paster |
| 09:54.09 | IDC | Guerin, Connected to Cygnus.Mail-Abuse.ORG Escape character is '^]'. |
| 09:54.21 | rocky23 | jm: yes i am |
| 09:54.22 | IDC | what do i do now ? |
| 09:54.23 | Guerin | lazymanc: /msg dpkg paster to see the url |
| 09:54.35 | jm_ | rocky23: so why the hell are you compiling all these tools? |
| 09:54.37 | petemc | IDC: wait for it to run its tests |
| 09:54.42 | Guerin | IDC: wait. It should perform a bunch of relay tests, to see if your MTA is properly secured. |
| 09:54.50 | IDC | ok |
| 09:54.52 | _rene_ | nwo: kernel-package. UTTL. why don't you look yourself? |
| 09:55.04 | rocky23 | jm_: because i wanted to run the latest version of snort |
| 09:55.14 | IDC | '/proj/maps/bin/in.relaytest: socket failed [Bad file descriptor]' |
| 09:55.14 | rocky23 | jm_ and im running stable |
| 09:55.25 | Guerin | !tell rocky23 about backports |
| 09:55.28 | IDC | Connecting to 58.66.107.128 ... |
| 09:55.29 | IDC | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 09:55.32 | Guerin | !tell rocky23 about simple sid backport |
| 09:55.36 | IDC | Hmm |
| 09:55.48 | rocky23 | Guerin: backports are barely every maintained |
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| 09:56.17 | Guerin | rocky23: build your own from debianised source. |
| 09:56.20 | jm_ | rocky23: backport it yourself |
| 09:56.20 | jethro | rocky23: if you backport, YOU need to maintain |
| 09:56.35 | Guerin | IDC: you have to do it from the machine with the smtp server running. worksforme. |
| 09:56.56 | IDC | Guerin, i was doing that in ssh to my server |
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| 09:57.08 | lazymanc | guerin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/146 |
| 09:57.10 | Guerin | IDC: is your smtp server listening on port 25? |
| 09:57.17 | nwo | _rene_: whats the commands you used? I'm not that used to debian |
| 09:57.25 | IDC | Guerin, no,thats what i was gonna ask |
| 09:57.35 | _rene_ | dpkg -S for example. or apt-file |
| 09:57.35 | dpkg | Package: for example. or apt-file: Status: install ok installed |
| 09:57.45 | _rene_ | dpkg: shut up |
| 09:57.45 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 09:57.52 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:57.56 | Guerin | lazymanc: 18:26:02 < Guerin> apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 09:57.57 | _rene_ | grins |
| 09:58.03 | Guerin | lazymanc: that was half a fucking hour ago |
| 09:58.05 | IDC | Guerin, when it was set in local delivering mode,it did listen on port 25,but not now after i swithed using internet mail /mode 1 |
| 09:58.13 | lazymanc | yeah I tried that, it came up with an error |
| 09:58.14 | simonrvn | _rene_: :D |
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| 09:58.36 | Guerin | IDC: ok. In that case, you can't relay mail from it. |
| 09:58.40 | Guerin | IDC: so it's secure :) |
| 09:58.43 | MichaelSaunders | how can I setup cvs in my profiel |
| 09:58.43 | IDC | strange,but my mta is working fine though,it can send mail to my @hotmail.com no problem |
| 09:58.51 | Guerin | lazymanc: so you just thought 'fuck it, I won't bother'? |
| 09:59.00 | jm_ | MichaelSaunders: read CVS tutorial/docs |
| 09:59.02 | IDC | Guerin, I see :) |
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| 09:59.08 | ircdevil | jm_ fyi http://www.prepressure.com/formats/eps/fileformat.htm |
| 09:59.27 | cdc | i am new to Debian. I have installed Sarge but i am unable to mount my windows partitions |
| 09:59.31 | Guerin | lazymanc: I expect this is because you're not using debian php4 packages. |
| 09:59.42 | cdc | could anyone help me please? |
| 09:59.53 | cdc | I am using Gnome |
| 09:59.55 | lazymanc | http://channels.debian.net/paste/147 |
| 10:00.06 | liable | !vfat |
| 10:00.06 | dpkg | i guess vfat is a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw" |
| 10:00.19 | liable | bah |
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| 10:00.28 | kjparker | cdc what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 10:00.37 | Guerin | lazymanc: see my advice above. To fix it, do: |
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| 10:01.10 | cdc | kjparker: i want to mount my windows partitions and i want to access data from there like view,write,save Documents and listen to mp3s :-) |
| 10:01.38 | Guerin | lazymanc: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l | awk '/php4/ {print $2}'|xargs apt-get remove --purge -y |
| 10:01.39 | kjparker | ntfs or fat? |
| 10:01.39 | jm_ | ircdevil: I'll rather check Molly Sims |
| 10:02.04 | cdc | kjparker: fat32 |
| 10:02.04 | togs | is there a way to view the last n amount of packages installed? |
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| 10:02.11 | Guerin | lazymanc: then install the fucking debian package |
| 10:02.19 | ircdevil | !molly sims |
| 10:02.27 | Guerin | togs: not unless they were installed with aptitude, in which case they'll be logged. |
| 10:02.33 | jm_ | ircdevil: http://www.bomboncitomagazine.com/bom05_050.php |
| 10:02.35 | kjparker | the answer to what you need has already been posted.... |
| 10:02.41 | togs | they were apt-get installed |
| 10:02.44 | lazymanc | guerin: fucking thanks |
| 10:03.06 | jm_ | togs: or maybe try ls -lrt /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.files |
| 10:03.06 | cdc | kjparker: i am new to Debian . Please help i didnt understand whats to be done |
| 10:03.08 | ircdevil | jm_ *mums* |
| 10:03.19 | kjparker | as am i |
| 10:03.26 | kjparker | google is your friend |
| 10:03.29 | jm_ | togs: *.list even |
| 10:03.40 | Guerin | lazymanc: no fucking sweat |
| 10:03.43 | togs | thanks jm_ |
| 10:03.46 | IDC | Guerin, by the way,in this matter my email server is configured not accepting emails from the rest of world cuz they are not considered from local ? in exim.conf there is a line #relay_domains = |
| 10:03.57 | Guerin | IDC: yes. |
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| 10:04.08 | Guerin | IDC: no smtp in = you won't get any mail here. |
| 10:04.10 | IDC | ok,im thinking...brb |
| 10:04.14 | Guerin | (except local mail) |
| 10:04.17 | IDC | I see |
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| 10:04.30 | lazymanc | guerin: the reason i'm not using the debian package is because I originally tried to install php5 from dotdeb packages, but I couldn't get that to work either so I dropped back to php4. I didn't know it had also got that package from dotdeb |
| 10:04.37 | kjparker | cdc, your better off coming back when you have a specific question |
| 10:04.50 | kjparker | but look at this |
| 10:04.53 | kjparker | !vfat |
| 10:04.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, vfat is a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw" |
| 10:05.12 | Guerin | lazymanc: right. |
| 10:05.17 | lazymanc | guerin: and if helping newbies gets you so stressed out, then take a break dude |
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| 10:05.28 | liable | kjparker: I thought he did have a specific question |
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| 10:05.50 | Guerin | lazymanc: oh, i'm not stressed out. I'm incredulous that people come to #debian complaining about non-debian packages not working. |
| 10:06.05 | kjparker | which he was already given the answer to..... |
| 10:06.29 | liable | cdc: mkdir win |
| 10:06.34 | cdc | kjparker: specific question ? i just want to mount it and i want to view the contents of my windows drive thats it and i also need to access the data stored in windows like Ms-office documents my pdf files etc thats it |
| 10:06.53 | kjparker | you need the dosfstools |
| 10:06.54 | cdc | liable: i am done with creating directories like win_c,win_d...etc |
| 10:06.57 | kjparker | read this |
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| 10:07.01 | kjparker | !vfat |
| 10:07.02 | dpkg | it has been said that vfat is a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw" |
| 10:07.16 | liable | cdc: mount /dev/hdXX -t vfat -o users,umask=000 /mnt/win |
| 10:07.19 | Guerin | fucking bollocks |
| 10:07.27 | Guerin | burnt me finger on a roasting pan |
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| 10:07.33 | liable | haha |
| 10:07.37 | cdc | what should be given in etc/fstab |
| 10:07.37 | Guerin | NOW i might be in a foul mood :) |
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| 10:07.54 | kokoko1 | did i missed something interesting over here? |
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| 10:08.02 | cdc | liable: please help me coz i am facing an unusual problem ? |
| 10:08.09 | Guerin | kokoko1: almost certainly not |
| 10:08.21 | Guerin | this isn't an unusual problem |
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| 10:08.27 | liable | cdc: what? |
| 10:08.34 | kokoko1 | Guerin, oh oki |
| 10:09.16 | kjparker | cdc have you got dosfstools installed |
| 10:09.20 | cdc | liable: this is what i ve given in my etc/fstab /dev/hda5 /mnt/win_e auto rw,user,auto 0 0 |
| 10:09.21 | Guerin | liable: two things: never mount with umask=000; and it should be mounted to /mnt/lose |
| 10:09.37 | Guerin | cdc: doesn't work, does it. |
| 10:09.58 | liable | Guerin: heh, umask=000 always a good start |
| 10:10.00 | cdc | though the drive has got mounted when i open nautilus and click on some directory i get an error message |
| 10:10.25 | cdc | i am unable to log into any of the directories that have been mounted |
| 10:10.28 | Guerin | cdc: specify a uid, gid and /or umask |
| 10:10.28 | kjparker | what is the error message |
| 10:10.32 | cdc | what do i do |
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| 10:11.09 | liable | cdc: add umask=022 (guerin :) ) |
| 10:12.01 | Lathiat | hi guys, im tryign to install sarge on mips(sgi indy), problem is im trying to configure swraid to raid-1 my two drives but it doesnt detect the partitions i have setup as linux raid in fdisk, assumedly becuase the drives have an sgi disklabel rather than a normal(?) one... any ideas how i can set it up manually or something? (the system can see the partitions fine.) |
| 10:12.08 | pinko | I went through that mess too. it must be common. |
| 10:12.35 | nemo | i say I say I say... no, seriously though... anyone know if there is a grdb equiv in testing these days? |
| 10:12.39 | cdc | kjparker: the error is couldnt display /mnt/win_g/Dump. The attempt to log in failed |
| 10:12.41 | cdc | what do i do |
| 10:12.47 | Guerin | it's only a mess because windows has only twewo filesystems: one which is unusably obfuscated, and another which is unusably primitive. |
| 10:13.03 | Guerin | and windows can't read real filesystems without big hassles |
| 10:13.03 | kjparker | do you have the dosfstools installed |
| 10:13.04 | Lathiat | Guerin: heh thats so true. |
| 10:14.16 | liable | cdc: win_g? |
| 10:14.24 | cdc | liable: yes |
| 10:14.34 | cdc | liable: i have created that directory |
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| 10:14.43 | cdc | and i ve added that in etc/fstab too |
| 10:15.13 | Guerin | umask? |
| 10:15.13 | liable | cdc: ok, lets start from scratch |
| 10:15.14 | pinko | Do windows users get noticeably better performance on ntfs than they would putting the same thing on fat32? |
| 10:15.16 | Guerin | umask! |
| 10:15.29 | cdc | liable: ok tell me whats to be doen |
| 10:15.32 | Guerin | pinko: doubtful. fat32 is fast, as long as it's defragmented. |
| 10:15.52 | liable | remove your /mnt/win dir's |
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| 10:16.10 | cdc | from /etc/fstab or u mean the directories itself? |
| 10:16.13 | liable | cdc: post fstab to #flood |
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| 10:16.22 | kjparker | cdc: DO YOU HAVE DOSFSTOOLS INSTALLED |
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| 10:16.28 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:16.32 | kjparker | sorry for shouting ppl... |
| 10:16.33 | Guerin | UMASK!!!1 |
| 10:16.38 | lazymanc | could anyone recommend a gui for apache2 administration? |
| 10:16.46 | groulder | webmin? |
| 10:16.51 | kjparker | webmin] |
| 10:16.55 | lazymanc | thx |
| 10:16.56 | Guerin | lazymanc: emacs |
| 10:16.57 | Guerin | no |
| 10:16.57 | jethro | !webmin |
| 10:16.57 | kjparker | lol |
| 10:16.57 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed ... |
| 10:16.59 | simonrvn | NOT WEBMIN |
| 10:17.09 | Guerin | don't fucking use webmin, for the love of all that is happy |
| 10:17.17 | cdc | ok liable will do that |
| 10:17.28 | Guerin | please |
| 10:17.38 | lazymanc | what would you suggest thats not a text editor? |
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| 10:17.50 | jethro | lazymanc: an hex editor |
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| 10:17.56 | lazymanc | I've just come from windows, a gui is all I have to cling onto. |
| 10:17.56 | cdc | kjparker: i am now installing dosfstools |
| 10:17.58 | Guerin | a text editor is the only way to administer a webserver without having it break and fuck up |
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| 10:18.04 | groulder | lazymanc, don't listen to these idiots. use webmin. for your purposes it's safe enough. |
| 10:18.10 | cdc | kjparker: whats to be done now after installing |
| 10:18.11 | jethro | groulder: stfu |
| 10:18.11 | liable | kjparker: question, is it really needed to mount a fat partition? |
| 10:18.19 | jethro | groulder: and don't call regulars idiots |
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| 10:18.34 | kjparker | liable, he wants to write to it as well.... |
| 10:18.42 | kjparker | my understanding was that it was required |
| 10:18.44 | Guerin | lazymanc: the problem is that guis for things like this do three things: they open unnecessary security holes; they fuck up and mangle your config files; and they train you to be an incompetent admin. |
| 10:19.06 | jethro | lazymanc: and webmin does it all at once |
| 10:19.07 | simonrvn | bah. if someone is acting like one they should be let known. but it should be done nicely at least, if it's a valid criticism |
| 10:19.10 | Guerin | groulder: how the fuck do you know his purposes? |
| 10:19.32 | groulder | Guerin, he/she has just said they've come from windows and need a gui to get used to things. |
| 10:19.35 | groulder | it's pretty clear. |
| 10:19.40 | lazymanc | ok, but half the guides I try to follow point to directory's that don't exist |
| 10:19.50 | simonrvn | there's ways of telling people they fucked up without making them out to be twits, or disrespecting them |
| 10:19.53 | liable | cdc: post fstab to flood |
| 10:19.55 | lazymanc | /usr/local/apache2 etc.. |
| 10:20.03 | Guerin | bullshit, nobody needs a gui. He's running a webserver, he needs to take a certain amount of responsibility for learning these things. |
| 10:20.06 | jethro | hi simonrvn btw |
| 10:20.11 | simonrvn | hello |
| 10:20.16 | groulder | lazymanc, your first mistake was running apache2. |
| 10:20.17 | groulder | it's shithouse. |
| 10:20.19 | groulder | use 1.3 |
| 10:20.23 | jethro | damn troll |
| 10:20.29 | Guerin | lazymanc: ok, this is a debian <-> not debian thing. In debian, all config files are in /etc/programname/ |
| 10:20.30 | ircdevil | hmmm, howto convert a eps file to a high resolution png? |
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| 10:20.49 | Coke | lazymanc: what are you trying to do? |
| 10:20.49 | Delph | ircdevil: imagemagick? |
| 10:20.56 | karsten | Is it possible to create a local postinst rule for a package? |
| 10:21.07 | Guerin | !possible |
| 10:21.07 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 10:21.08 | cdc | liable: i ve posted it |
| 10:21.10 | cdc | please have a look at it |
| 10:21.12 | Guerin | karsten: :) |
| 10:21.19 | karsten | Specifically: I'd like to compress all files (not already compressed) in the '/usr/share/doc/lg/' tree. |
| 10:21.20 | cdc | and the worst part is that win_c and win_d is not getting mouted properly too |
| 10:21.20 | lazymanc | basically I want to learn how to setup a webserver with apache2 / php5/ mysql for development purposes and know enough to fix it when it breaks |
| 10:21.24 | jethro | karsten: onethat would override the one in the package? |
| 10:21.26 | ircdevil | Delph: you mean convert? |
| 10:21.32 | lazymanc | im not interested in learning the underlying bits of linux |
| 10:21.36 | karsten | Guerin: Is it possible for you to slit your throat & webcast it :-) |
| 10:21.39 | jethro | kaif not, just hack the one in the package |
| 10:21.43 | jethro | jeez |
| 10:21.44 | karsten | jethro: Yeah, basically. |
| 10:21.49 | Guerin | karsten: hrm, funky. dpkg might be arbitrarily able to call a script after execution... |
| 10:21.51 | karsten | I've got a cron.daily job to do that right now. |
| 10:21.52 | simonrvn | karsten: sure. postinst can have anything that's needed. just have a [foo.]postinst script in debian/ |
| 10:21.56 | jethro | karsten: then I don't know. I d hack the package |
| 10:22.13 | Delph | ircdevil: convert would be the name of the application within that package, yes. |
| 10:22.15 | simonrvn | i'd hack it, or make another |
| 10:22.16 | karsten | jethro: Well, the story is that lg is updated pretty frequently. Montly, as it turns out ;-) |
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| 10:22.27 | jethro | karsten: cronjob it! :)à |
| 10:22.27 | simonrvn | karsten: no, really? ;p |
| 10:22.35 | Guerin | lazymanc: the doc at httpd.apache.org will become your bible. |
| 10:22.50 | simonrvn | "om mane padme om" |
| 10:22.57 | simonrvn | (sorry) |
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| 10:23.02 | karsten | simonrvn: Um. Lemme check. |
| 10:23.06 | jethro | karsten: really, I don't know if you can override a postinst script with your own. afraid of a lost rm -fr / somewhere in the scripts ? :) |
| 10:23.33 | Guerin | s/bible/(|tripitaka|qu'aran|torah|etc)/ as appropriate |
| 10:23.37 | simonrvn | mm, tasy coffee |
| 10:23.47 | groulder | Guerin, we get the idea. |
| 10:23.48 | simonrvn | holy book is the generic |
| 10:23.51 | karsten | jethro: Yeah, it's cronjobbed. And that's working pretty well except that I want to sub 'gzip -f' for 'gzip'. That will update & overwrite an existing zipfile. |
| 10:24.23 | simonrvn | mine's a river, or the sky, or a tree, or... |
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| 10:25.00 | simonrvn | write script, cron job the script |
| 10:25.01 | ircdevil | Delph: and how do i get convert to do a high resolution conversion? |
| 10:25.06 | karsten | Guerin: You know of course that 'bible' == 'book'. |
| 10:25.31 | Delph | ircdevil: man convert; look for geometry or size options |
| 10:25.34 | simonrvn | yup. just another name for 'book' |
| 10:25.47 | Guerin | karsten: isn't it biblus? I do also know that it should be Bible :) |
| 10:25.56 | karsten | simonrvn: It's scripted. Script needed a fix. Done. Runs nightly. That's good enough for gov't work. |
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| 10:27.00 | karsten | Guerin: The root is "book". As the root of "gospel" is "good word", "catholic" == universal. |
| 10:27.42 | karsten | Guerin: ...and "salem", "shalom", and "salem" are all also the same root. As is "Jeru-salem" |
| 10:27.46 | karsten | Guerin: ... "peace" |
| 10:28.02 | ircdevil | Delph: convert foo.epsi -size 1600x1200 jpg:foo.jpg - its still ugly :o/ |
| 10:28.05 | lazymanc | my problem is i'm finding it difficult to use standard documentation as none of it seems to correlate with what my system is showing me |
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| 10:28.25 | Guerin | you needn't lecture me on the origin of words; I'm a language teacher with a religious studies/anthropology major biblical-history geek for a wife :) |
| 10:28.36 | karsten | Guerin: Touche! |
| 10:28.43 | karsten | Guerin: You remind me of a woman I dated.... |
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| 10:28.57 | Guerin | i hope that's in a good way |
| 10:28.58 | karsten | Guerin: ...I'd ramble off some bit of basic household chemistry or something. |
| 10:29.11 | Guerin | though perhaps not the good way you're thinking of |
| 10:29.18 | karsten | Guerin: ...she was ABD in molecular chemistry. "Eight years of college chemistry" |
| 10:29.28 | Guerin | yeeps |
| 10:29.35 | karsten | Guerin: I got used to losing those arguments ;-) |
| 10:29.36 | Guerin | eight years of anything would do my head in |
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| 10:30.05 | Guerin | he says, being 30 days away from his 10th anniversary |
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| 10:30.32 | ircdevil | heh |
| 10:31.13 | karsten | Guerin: you hear the one about the old couple, on their 40th anniversary. Wife turns to husband and asks if he remembered what he'd told her on their wedding night. |
| 10:31.24 | Guerin | yeah, I know this one |
| 10:31.25 | SuperSox | karsten: with the toilet paper I can afford being of the 'value' variety - I'm fine for sand paper thanks ;) |
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| 10:31.36 | Guerin | i watched Good Will Hunting too |
| 10:31.43 | karsten | Guerin: I didn't ;-) |
| 10:31.56 | paulswm | Guerin: given your profession and your wife's background, you are probably able to offer an opinion on whether sarge will be released before Argageddon |
| 10:31.57 | shingouz | karsten: Please tell, I don't know this one |
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| 10:32.09 | Guerin | paulswm: I reckon it'll scrape in. |
| 10:32.09 | paulswm | s/Arg/Arm/ |
| 10:32.14 | karsten | SuperSox: Cool. You can take up furniture refinishing and only have to deal with one decision. |
| 10:32.15 | Guerin | paulswm: dunno about Etch though. |
| 10:32.19 | karsten | SuperSox: ...that being ... |
| 10:32.24 | paulswm | Heh |
| 10:32.25 | Guerin | Aaaarghageddon |
| 10:32.26 | karsten | SuperSox: ... which use to apply it to first. |
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| 10:32.48 | karsten | paulswm: I kinda like "Argageddon" |
| 10:32.52 | SuperSox | karsten: the only funiture refinishing I do, is finishing the job ikea started! |
| 10:32.55 | karsten | Guerin: http://www.whowantsabalti.co.uk/jokes/anniversary.html |
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| 10:33.01 | Guerin | shingouz: best told while drinking bailey's irish cream or guinness |
| 10:33.04 | karsten | SuperSox: Breaking it? |
| 10:33.12 | paulswm | karsten: Yes, it implies that it can take parameters :) |
| 10:33.27 | karsten | paulswm: I was thinking more the frustration factor. |
| 10:33.28 | SuperSox | my computer table comes from ikea - its one of the best I've bought acctually :) |
| 10:33.48 | karsten | shingouz: ^^ URL |
| 10:33.49 | Guerin | karsten: heh, that's a different one. |
| 10:33.53 | SuperSox | I saw computer table - but its not specifically designed for housing computers, its just a table that I thought would be suitable for the purpose |
| 10:33.54 | shingouz | karsten: Checking |
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| 10:34.08 | paulswm | karsten: Oh, I see - as in S-arg-e, heh |
| 10:34.12 | _BeOS_fast_OS_ | http://www.whowantsabalti.com/piccies/spicy/bush.jpg - this one is good |
| 10:34.24 | karsten | paulswm: That. Or just "Aaargh!" |
| 10:34.45 | shingouz | :) |
| 10:34.56 | karsten | shingouz: It looks as if I did a pretty good job ;-) |
| 10:35.12 | paulswm | "arg I geddon bugs in sarge still" |
| 10:35.22 | SuperSox | Humm, I'm finally hungry - this must mean I'm getting better.. |
| 10:35.36 | shingouz | karsten: Hehe... You sure this is #debian and not #debianish-kinky-channel? |
| 10:35.38 | shingouz | ;) |
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| 10:35.50 | karsten | shingouz: Were you here on Sunday? ;-) |
| 10:35.50 | SuperSox | What happens once Sarge is released? (i.e. where does Etch 'come' from) |
| 10:35.50 | _BeOS_fast_OS_ | BTW debian is the only lin. distro I fall to install |
| 10:35.57 | shingouz | karsten: Yes I was |
| 10:36.00 | karsten | SuperSox: Hell gets *real* cold. |
| 10:36.02 | karsten | shingouz: Heh. |
| 10:36.08 | karsten | shingouz: My excuse is ... |
| 10:36.08 | SuperSox | karsten: heh. |
| 10:36.13 | karsten | shingouz: ... um ... |
| 10:36.22 | karsten | shingouz: Damn it, I didn't *have* an excuse. |
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| 10:36.31 | shingouz | @comfort karsten |
| 10:36.33 | ravenbird | There, there, karsten. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 10:36.36 | shingouz | ;) |
| 10:36.37 | SuperSox | I'm serious though, how do things progress after the Sarge release? |
| 10:36.38 | Guerin | SuperSox: it's the spawn of sid and steve langasek. |
| 10:36.39 | paulswm | I logged Sunday but missed a lot of the "live action". |
| 10:36.52 | karsten | shingouz: Speaking of which, where *is* TwistedEmotions? |
| 10:36.54 | shingouz | paulswm: Lucky you |
| 10:37.02 | shingouz | karsten: You miss him? |
| 10:37.14 | karsten | paulswm: Lucky me. |
| 10:37.18 | karsten | shingouz: Well, he *was* sort of the butt of the joke that nigth. |
| 10:37.24 | shingouz | True |
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| 10:37.36 | lehel | hello. |
| 10:37.43 | shingouz | Speaking of |
| 10:37.55 | SuperSox | Guerin: does that happen as soon as Sarge is released or does it have to be 'created' first? |
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| 10:38.08 | lehel | i have problems with my kernel.. |
| 10:38.11 | karsten | shingouz: Yeessss? |
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| 10:38.29 | Guerin | SuperSox: it's just a simple copy & rsync job, I think. |
| 10:38.35 | shingouz | karsten: Oooo... nothing |
| 10:38.37 | lehel | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/misc/ |
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| 10:38.45 | Caveman | hey all, I am having a total mential block, whats the address for the OLD packages ? |
| 10:38.47 | karsten | lehel: And we're going to guess about 'em or you plan on telling us? |
| 10:38.54 | Caveman | I knew that there is like a archive. |
| 10:39.03 | Caveman | I cant remember the address and i dont have it book marked :| |
| 10:39.05 | SuperSox | so a couple of days after sarge is released I should be able to dist-upgrade to Etch? |
| 10:39.07 | shingouz | karsten: I rest my case ;) |
| 10:39.17 | karsten | Caveman: archive.debian.org, which is dead. |
| 10:39.23 | SuperSox | I'm getting cold with this freeze on ;) |
| 10:39.29 | Caveman | karsten: dead ? |
| 10:39.31 | karsten | Caveman: Also snaphots.debian.NET IIRC. |
| 10:39.54 | lehel | karsten: i think some symlinks are wrong.. |
| 10:40.03 | paulswm | SuperSox: Personally, I'll wait a few days in case there is some initial breakage in Etch. |
| 10:40.04 | karsten | lehel: 'uname -r' |
| 10:40.11 | karsten | lehel: Stock or custom kernel? |
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| 10:40.31 | lehel | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 10:40.31 | lehel | 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 10:40.31 | Guerin | there are a bunch of archive.d.o mirrors around - google for them |
| 10:40.32 | Caveman | karsten: I cant get to either of those addresses ! |
| 10:40.44 | SuperSox | paulswm: ah yes, a wise idea :) |
| 10:40.45 | Guerin | snapshot.debian.net |
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| 10:40.51 | karsten | Caveman: Sorry. |
| 10:40.57 | lehel | i had 386.. then i installed 686 |
| 10:41.00 | Caveman | karsten: np ! |
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| 10:41.04 | SuperSox | paulswm: just, I've never witnessed a debian release before :) |
| 10:41.05 | BlackJudas | How do you manually reset the ide bus? |
| 10:41.07 | Caveman | Guerin: thanks ! |
| 10:41.08 | lehel | after then nothing.. |
| 10:41.27 | shingouz | BlackJudas: man hdparm (but do not come crying if you bork something) |
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| 10:41.35 | SuperSox | Granted, I remember using potato ages ago, but that was when I was a complete newbie (as opposed to a regular one) and still trying to settle on a distro |
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| 10:41.49 | snk00sj | hi, can anyone point me out a command how i can see the space used by each directory ? |
| 10:41.50 | BlackJudas | shingouz, heh... yeah well... i have a hard drive i'm trying to salvage the data off of. |
| 10:41.56 | karsten | lehel: Is you system working or not working? |
| 10:41.58 | BlackJudas | locks the ide bus for some reason.. |
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| 10:42.07 | karsten | !tell Caveman about snapshot.debian.net |
| 10:42.15 | karsten | Caveman: ...that's what the bot knows. Not sure what the issue is. |
| 10:42.22 | shingouz | BlackJudas: Break out the worry beads, some holy water and a dead chicken. Cross your fingers too for that matter |
| 10:42.36 | BlackJudas | my legs are crossed, is that enough? |
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| 10:42.45 | shingouz | BlackJudas: Go take a leak ;) |
| 10:42.53 | BlackJudas | haha |
| 10:42.54 | Caveman | karsten: hmm, interesting. |
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| 10:42.54 | karsten | lehel: Um. if you're running the *686* kernel, you shouldn't be looking in /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/ |
| 10:42.55 | lehel | is working, but if depmod: .. "Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/.../misc/ |
| 10:42.57 | Caveman | thanks for that. |
| 10:43.04 | raf256 | I did apt-build install in example animals. Now how can I actually start the created program? |
| 10:43.06 | SuperSox | shingouz: I used to have some worry beads, wish i knew where they were, there are a number of occasions where they would of come in handy after giving up smoking |
| 10:43.13 | lehel | it is the same in 686 too |
| 10:43.18 | Guerin | raf256: is it installed? |
| 10:43.19 | karsten | snk00sj: 'du' or if you want a coolio graphical app: 'filelight' |
| 10:43.26 | raf256 | ..there are some files in /var/cache/apt-build/* |
| 10:43.35 | paulswm | BlackJudas: you could try disbaling dma on the drive, but if you are getting ide bus resets you are probably out of luck re getting anything off it |
| 10:43.39 | SuperSox | shingouz: well, they were greek beads rather than 'worry' beads, but im sure the principle is the same |
| 10:43.42 | shingouz | SuperSox: Hmmm.... sounds like a good idea if I ever stop smoking. Not too likely with all the stress here at the moment |
| 10:43.47 | Guerin | raf256: is the fucking package installed? |
| 10:43.47 | raf256 | Guerin: apt-build install succedded but I do not have that program in main sustem "commend animals" doesnt work |
| 10:43.51 | BlackJudas | paulswm, it goes for a while... |
| 10:43.52 | gary | Does anyone here know what tool in dia would be used to draw Entity Relationship Diagrams? I know they have an "ER" tool, but that only allows you to enter the entity name, not it's fields as well |
| 10:43.55 | BlackJudas | then hangs.. |
| 10:44.09 | Guerin | raf256: do you have to install it your elf? I suggest you rtfm. |
| 10:44.11 | karsten | lehel: Sounds to me ass if you're trying to load a bad module. I'd find out specifically what it is and disable it. |
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| 10:44.25 | jm_ | BlackJudas: are you sure it's not just resetting it on and on while spitting out the errors in logs? |
| 10:44.29 | karsten | Guerin: elf? Gnomes? Trolls? |
| 10:44.36 | paulswm | BlackJudas: Yes, I'm familiar with the symptom. |
| 10:44.37 | SuperSox | shingouz: thats what I said, but then i realised there would never be a good time to quite - so i just bought a whole bunch of smokes when i was abroad and vowed to give up at such a time that the supply ran dry |
| 10:44.41 | shingouz | BlackJudas: I think you may ahve to install another logic board on the drive and have a loca Santeria priestess come over |
| 10:44.49 | BlackJudas | jm_, haven't checked the logs since i'm forced to boot via knoppix :o |
| 10:44.52 | petemc | karsten: sounds to your ass? |
| 10:45.03 | Guerin | karsten: old in joke revolving arouns a kurt cobain poster. |
| 10:45.05 | BlackJudas | paulswm, ok, sorry never seen it before |
| 10:45.05 | raf256 | Guerin: that was my question - what should I do besides apt-build inastall to actually install that package |
| 10:45.13 | jm_ | BlackJudas: or configure it to send kernel messages to another console and then just switch to it to check on it |
| 10:45.21 | Guerin | karsten: if digital cameras had been invented I'd show you a pic |
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| 10:45.27 | BlackJudas | paulswm, i dunno if the bus is resetting, the drive just stops transferring.. in random sposts |
| 10:45.31 | BlackJudas | spots* |
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| 10:46.08 | lehel | karsten: i have a Wildcard TDM400P.. 4 fxo's .. running asterisk.. need zaptel driver |
| 10:46.16 | karsten | petemc: ?? |
| 10:46.18 | jm_ | it's probably due to bad sectors ;) |
| 10:46.20 | BlackJudas | paulswm, would a hdparm -w /dev/hda suffice... or is it really that dangerous? |
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| 10:46.25 | lehel | and linux isn't loading the module |
| 10:46.26 | Guerin | karsten: what the hell, I'll hack a crude replica together in gimp. |
| 10:46.37 | petemc | karsten: you pointed out Guerins typo, i pointed out yours :) |
| 10:46.40 | BlackJudas | jm_, but... it's different files it hangs on ;x |
| 10:46.40 | paulswm | BlackJudas: you probably have erros in syslog, and if I were you I'd decide on what the minimal critical data you need to get off it is and concentrate on that first |
| 10:46.40 | lehel | some error in compilation of zaptel |
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| 10:46.53 | BlackJudas | paulswm, yeah... |
| 10:46.58 | jm_ | BlackJudas: yes, that's more or less normal |
| 10:46.58 | nagesh | can anybody tell me how to restore deleted file which is no longer in the trash folder |
| 10:47.05 | karsten | petemc: Point. |
| 10:47.08 | petemc | :) |
| 10:47.09 | paulswm | BlackJudas: I can't remember what the hdparm option is for turning off dma, but that's the one you want. |
| 10:47.10 | raf256 | after apt-build, where are the binaries placed and how to install them in main system, or where is manual about this subject? |
| 10:47.13 | BlackJudas | jm_, i see |
| 10:47.22 | karsten | Guerin: ;-) |
| 10:47.24 | BlackJudas | paulswm, -w is hardware reset |
| 10:47.27 | BlackJudas | -d is dma |
| 10:47.31 | BlackJudas | i'll try that first ;) |
| 10:47.37 | Guerin | petemc: it wasn't a typo, as you'll soon see. |
| 10:47.38 | shingouz | BlackJudas: Maybe it is time to use dd instead of trying to cp the stuff off it |
| 10:47.40 | cdc | anyone using XFCE4 here? |
| 10:47.49 | lehel | Gnea: are you? |
| 10:47.50 | BlackJudas | shingouz, yeah possibly |
| 10:47.51 | karsten | lehel: Um. Sorry, so this is or is _not_ a stock (not locally compiled) kernel? |
| 10:47.58 | boycer | cdc: yep |
| 10:48.02 | liable | !anyone |
| 10:48.02 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 10:48.07 | boycer | cdc: well, 4.2 |
| 10:48.08 | shingouz | cdc: No. If oyu have some problems with it, ask |
| 10:48.13 | raf256 | apt-build install is supposed to install the package? but it doesnt do that... |
| 10:48.20 | paulswm | BlackJudas: No, then, man hdparm and choose the one for turning off dma. You might also download and run the hd drive manufacturer's diagnostics |
| 10:48.22 | cdc | boycer: is it better than kde ? |
| 10:48.28 | shingouz | !better |
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| 10:48.28 | dpkg | well, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 10:48.38 | lehel | karsten: it is locally compiled |
| 10:48.39 | BlackJudas | paulswm, quantum... now maxtor... pos |
| 10:48.42 | boycer | cdc: yes :) much much much. all IMHO of course. |
| 10:49.01 | paulswm | BlackJudas: maxtor has a good diagnostic package though |
| 10:49.04 | lazymanc | im now trying to restart apache but apachectrl specified in the apachedocs gives "command not found" |
| 10:49.19 | liable | cdc: not if you are just starting out, learn a bit first, dont try to be l33t too soon :) |
| 10:49.37 | lazymanc | it's definitely installed though because I can see the test page on http://localhost |
| 10:49.38 | shingouz | lazymanc: /etc/init.d/apache restart would sound like a good idea on Debian |
| 10:49.39 | lehel | but the /boot is full with: -386, -686, 2.4.7 |
| 10:49.43 | BlackJudas | paulswm, yeah I'm aware, though it's not "hardware" failure per se though... it seems the logic board... is going... |
| 10:49.43 | karsten | lehel: Are the modules you're trying to load specific to that kernel, or do you have stock modules in there? Note that if you have two of the same kernel version, you have to move/delete the old module directory before installing the new one. |
| 10:49.44 | boycer | liable: who are you calling l33t :) |
| 10:49.53 | lehel | and i don't know anymore wich is linked.. |
| 10:49.54 | mikeX | cdc, It's more light weight but that could mean 'less functionality' for you, be specific |
| 10:49.58 | shingouz | BlackJudas: REplace the board as I said |
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| 10:50.35 | lazymanc | shingouz: thanks, i'm liking the contempt for n00bs here, it's ace. |
| 10:50.44 | liable | boycer: no-one actually, happen to know he's just starting out, and prolly thinks xfce is cool, from reading others comments :) |
| 10:50.50 | bob2 | on what system do you actually use apachectl? |
| 10:50.58 | bob2 | surely everything sane has sysvinit by now |
| 10:51.04 | bob2 | aside from bsd, I supposed |
| 10:51.16 | shingouz | lazymanc: I remember you saying that you do not want to learn anything about the underlying linux, just Apache |
| 10:51.18 | boycer | liable: jolly good :) |
| 10:51.29 | liable | :) |
| 10:51.31 | karsten | paulswm: Enjoy. |
| 10:51.42 | karsten | paulswm: ...the money at least. |
| 10:52.08 | lazymanc | shingouz: i'd like to know enough to get by for the purposes I intend to use it for. what I meant was i'm more interested in actually using it that fiddling with the innards |
| 10:52.08 | BlackJudas | shingouz, heh |
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| 10:52.15 | karsten | bob2: Heh, you just made me realize why apache's _got_ apachectl. |
| 10:52.31 | shingouz | lazymanc: You need to fiddle with the innards from time to time. Not a lot but you still ahve to do it |
| 10:52.54 | Guerin | fucking gimp is unusable in ion |
| 10:52.57 | Guerin | jesus |
| 10:53.53 | lazymanc | shingouz: I realise that, and I have made an attempt to not go with a "do-it-all-for-you" distribution, but it is hard going |
| 10:54.11 | shingouz | lazymanc: What distro you running there now? |
| 10:54.32 | nagesh | can any on tell how can I restore a deleted file which is no longer in Trash folder |
| 10:54.43 | lazymanc | debian |
| 10:54.54 | lazymanc | hence why i'm in this channel ;) |
| 10:54.56 | nagesh | yes |
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| 10:55.43 | shingouz | lazymanc: Most of the time stuff is restarted from the /etc/init.d. You may also use kill -HUP pid to do so but that is not as neat |
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| 10:56.05 | bob2 | nagesh: you can't |
| 10:56.12 | bob2 | in general |
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| 10:57.16 | lazymanc | shingouz: ok, thanks |
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| 10:58.07 | liable | nagesh: the trash folder, gives you a second chance, you blew it. :) |
| 10:58.16 | nagesh | ya |
| 10:58.40 | nagesh | liable, So theres no way to get it back |
| 10:58.56 | shingouz | nagesh: Maybe from your backups |
| 10:58.56 | nagesh | liable, I didnt shut my system yet |
| 10:58.58 | bob2 | nagesh: what filesystem, how important is it? |
| 10:59.19 | liable | nagesh: not easily, no, especially if you are still using it |
| 10:59.25 | nagesh | liable, Its was a product developed by our company |
| 10:59.29 | paulswm | karsten: I like Oracle but am perpetually disappointed in Solaris. |
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| 10:59.37 | bob2 | nagesh: you have no backups already? |
| 10:59.39 | raf256 | damn! |
| 10:59.43 | liable | nagesh: well, get it again |
| 10:59.49 | lazymanc | right, i've removed the non-debian php packages, i've commented out the non-debian entry in my sources.list, i've done an apt-get install php4 and the results are listed at http://channels.debian.net/paste/148 |
| 10:59.51 | raf256 | there isnt any apt-build howto on the internet O_o ? |
| 10:59.55 | karsten | paulswm: What are the downers on Sun? |
| 10:59.58 | nagesh | liable, backup is there,but old |
| 11:00.04 | raf256 | I only found debtoo one (with look like intereting project btw) |
| 11:00.14 | lazymanc | i've stopped and restarted apache2, and its still asking me to download php files instead of executing them |
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| 11:00.16 | bob2 | raf256: why bother? what are you trying to acheive? |
| 11:00.23 | liable | nagesh: well backup then |
| 11:00.26 | bob2 | lazymanc: you read the README.Debian? |
| 11:00.32 | jahi | Hi, can i install *.rpms? |
| 11:00.39 | raf256 | bob2: I would like to recompile some packages manualy on my debian, in example with -march=athlon |
| 11:00.41 | shingouz | jahi: Yes but why bother |
| 11:00.50 | nagesh | liable, cant, the deleted one was the final one |
| 11:00.57 | bob2 | raf256: that's unlikely to actually be useful |
| 11:00.58 | paulswm | karsten: filesystems not that fast, also miss the gnu options on stuff like grep |
| 11:01.01 | nagesh | liable, no way to get that |
| 11:01.06 | bob2 | where unlikely = almost certainly won't be |
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| 11:01.08 | liable | nagesh: silly you |
| 11:01.17 | bob2 | but if you insist, use pentium-builder with apt-get source |
| 11:01.21 | jahi | shingouz: i have a realplayer10.04.rpm |
| 11:01.30 | shingouz | jahi: man alien |
| 11:01.30 | nagesh | liable, debian removes the deleted file totally from memory |
| 11:01.35 | raf256 | bob2: perhaps but I just would like to try it. have I to exmplain self or what O_o its not like if I was asking "hi, where can I find sexy young 12 yo girls" |
| 11:01.43 | lazymanc | bob2: which readme.debian - php or apache? |
| 11:01.46 | shingouz | jahi: Then use dpkg --install foo |
| 11:01.48 | bob2 | lazymanc: both |
| 11:01.59 | karsten | paulswm: Can't install GNU toolchain? |
| 11:02.02 | lazymanc | where will I find them? |
| 11:02.07 | liable | nagesh: no, but if you continue to use the machine, there is a good chance you overwrite it |
| 11:02.08 | jahi | shingouz: hm "No manual entry for alien ... |
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| 11:02.15 | bob2 | lazymanc: same place as every other one, /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian |
| 11:02.18 | karsten | jahi: Install alien. |
| 11:02.19 | shingouz | jahi: Install alien |
| 11:02.22 | jahi | :D |
| 11:02.32 | liable | nagesh: google ext3 recover deleted file |
| 11:02.34 | lazymanc | bob2: thanks, i didn't know about that |
| 11:02.39 | karsten | shingouz: Say, we've got a lot in common. |
| 11:02.41 | bob2 | raf256: you don't have to explain anything, but don't expect people to spend time helping you if you're being pointlessly secretive |
| 11:02.44 | karsten | shingouz: Wanna date ;-) |
| 11:02.54 | karsten | !tell raf256 about installit |
| 11:02.57 | shingouz | karsten: So it seems. I am not going to have long hot showers with you though |
| 11:02.58 | tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 11:02.58 | bob2 | raf256: 21:01:18 bob2 | but if you insist, use pentium-builder with apt-get source |
| 11:02.58 | dpkg | i heard harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 11:03.11 | karsten | shingouz: Short hot or long cold? |
| 11:03.13 | raf256 | bob2: I just want to learn how apt-build works and btw try if the programs would run faster when build for athlon |
| 11:03.14 | liable | karsten: is there anyone here, you havent asked on a date? except me :( |
| 11:03.14 | nagesh | liable, i will try |
| 11:03.25 | karsten | liable: You're feeling neglected? |
| 11:03.28 | bob2 | apt-build is probably broken |
| 11:03.31 | shingouz | karsten: Uh... I think I'll take a raincheck on the dates too ;) |
| 11:03.32 | liable | no |
| 11:03.34 | bob2 | since it was semi written as a joke |
| 11:03.39 | raf256 | karsten: I do have apt-build. It works. |
| 11:03.40 | karsten | shingouz: Rats! |
| 11:03.50 | paulswm | karsten: I'm application dev/support, not sysadmin, also we have upwards of 100 6880s and v880s here and fairly strict standards, as you can imagine |
| 11:04.00 | karsten | paulswm: Dig. |
| 11:04.01 | shingouz | karsten: Not really, I happen to like girls better |
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| 11:04.19 | raf256 | the problem is, it downloads sources, compiles... and after that, still the commend like "mc" "asciijump" do not work "command not found |
| 11:04.23 | karsten | shingouz: Hate to admit it, but dittos. |
| 11:04.31 | shingouz | karsten: ... they lack the tail... ;) |
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| 11:04.41 | bob2 | raf256: did you install the package? |
| 11:04.46 | karsten | shingouz: They gots tail if you know where to look ;-) |
| 11:04.55 | jm_ | paulswm: CSW stuff is nice to have on Solaris and doesn't interfere with the rest |
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| 11:05.01 | raf256 | bob2: I dont know. How do I install it? I just did "apt-build install mc" what else should I do? |
| 11:05.07 | shingouz | karsten: Ssshhh.... this is supposed to be a family channel |
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| 11:05.18 | karsten | shingouz: How do you think families happen? |
| 11:05.20 | bob2 | raf256: no idea, you're the one using it...you read the manpage etc? |
| 11:05.35 | raf256 | bob2: yes, the man page is very short and not helpfull |
| 11:05.47 | bob2 | raf256: it doesn't say where ot puts the built packages? |
| 11:05.53 | shingouz | karsten: I think I have a pretty good idea. Something to do with bees butting into flowers and then out drops a baby, isn't it? |
| 11:05.53 | raf256 | bob2: also I cant find any good apt-build howto on the net, wtf |
| 11:06.02 | paulswm | jm_: Not my decision, I just work with what I have :) |
| 11:06.05 | bob2 | raf256: that's because no one uses it |
| 11:06.05 | raf256 | bob2: I set this up in /etc/apt/apt-build.config |
| 11:06.09 | bob2 | raf256: and it's unmaintained |
| 11:06.12 | bob2 | because it's pointless |
| 11:06.17 | karsten | shingouz: Storks. And gleaming eys, from what I'm told. |
| 11:06.33 | raf256 | bob2: hmmm ok then, so what is better idea of recompiling given package with -march=athlon and installing it? |
| 11:06.33 | kjparker | should file roller be able to open windows zip files? |
| 11:06.35 | tarzeau | !seen greycat |
| 11:06.35 | dpkg | greycat <rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14h 24m 4s ago, saying: 'cbr: you did not "emerge" it in debian.'. |
| 11:06.45 | bob2 | 21:02:59 bob2 | raf256: 21:01:18 bob2 | but if you insist, use pentium-builder with apt-get source |
| 11:06.49 | bob2 | 21:02:59 tarzeau | !harden-doc |
| 11:06.51 | bob2 | bah |
| 11:06.55 | shingouz | karsten: Ooo.. has to have something to do with the fact that you are on the other side of the planet |
| 11:07.01 | tarzeau | bob2: looks like ugly xchat |
| 11:07.04 | raf256 | bob2: is it good for athlons as well? |
| 11:07.12 | bob2 | raf256: read the description |
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| 11:07.14 | bob2 | (yes) |
| 11:07.17 | bob2 | tarzeau: irssi |
| 11:07.30 | raf256 | bob2: ok. There is also some debToo project - I wonder will it become usable soon |
| 11:07.32 | Guerin | karsten: explanation of my "my elf" gag: http://feayn.org/~lewis/elf.jpg |
| 11:07.42 | bob2 | raf256: debtoo was an april fool's joke |
| 11:07.48 | tarzeau | bob2: you raped irssi to look like xchat? |
| 11:07.50 | bob2 | which coincidentally actually exists |
| 11:07.58 | Guerin | with apologies to my good mate jimmy phillips, who did it in about 1995 |
| 11:08.13 | bob2 | tarzeau: I use a modified version of eelf's theme, which lines all the text up |
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| 11:08.28 | karsten | Guerin: I see. |
| 11:08.29 | bob2 | it's ugly but easy to read |
| 11:08.29 | shingouz | Debtoo = Debian + Gentoo = sourcebased Debian? |
| 11:08.38 | bob2 | Guerin: haha |
| 11:08.39 | tarzeau | shingouz: it's a joke |
| 11:08.56 | bob2 | shingouz: http://www.debtoo.org/ |
| 11:09.00 | bob2 | tarzeau: which exists, sadly |
| 11:09.02 | shingouz | tarzeau: Has to be, theres Gentoo mentioned ;) |
| 11:09.07 | tarzeau | bob2: i know , but is it usable? |
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| 11:09.16 | bob2 | no idea |
| 11:09.22 | tarzeau | bob2: well. it's not :) |
| 11:09.31 | shingouz | Guerin: Neat elf |
| 11:09.38 | bob2 | things like USE certainly aren't |
| 11:09.44 | bob2 | since they mean changing every source package |
| 11:09.45 | Diggler | hi, is there a way in debian to switch between eth0 and eth1 to connect to the internet? |
| 11:09.54 | bob2 | Diggler: of course |
| 11:09.54 | tarzeau | Diggler: sure |
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| 11:10.50 | Diggler | how can I do this please? |
| 11:10.59 | bob2 | how did you do it to begin with? |
| 11:11.07 | bob2 | do you want to change the interface names? |
| 11:11.09 | Guerin | shingouz: meat elf :) |
| 11:11.12 | bob2 | just change your default route? |
| 11:11.16 | bob2 | do this permanently? |
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| 11:12.04 | Diggler | I regularly change between eth0 and eth1 (wifi and ethernet) so I would like to do this manually |
| 11:12.39 | bob2 | do you only ever use one at at ime? |
| 11:12.52 | Diggler | yes, for the moment, I do |
| 11:13.00 | bob2 | then that's easy |
| 11:13.08 | bob2 | set them both up in /etc/network/interfaces to use dhcp |
| 11:13.22 | bob2 | and then do "sudo ifdown eth0 ; sudo ifup eth1" to switch |
| 11:13.26 | Diggler | ok, that's all I have to do? |
| 11:13.32 | bob2 | yes |
| 11:13.57 | Diggler | ok, perfect, I'll reboot in debian and try it out |
| 11:14.08 | Diggler | thanks alot |
| 11:15.02 | raf256 | bob2: buying a domain just for aptil joke? cool ;) |
| 11:15.18 | bob2 | I've bought domains for jokes that lasted about 10 minues |
| 11:15.51 | directhex|work | i had a joke domain. Uk copies of The Matrix Reloaded have the wrong web address printed on them, which i bought |
| 11:15.58 | bob2 | haha |
| 11:16.14 | SuperSox | directhex|work: nice one lol :) |
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| 11:17.04 | directhex|work | http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~jms501/warnerbos.jpg |
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| 11:17.40 | SuperSox | heh |
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| 11:19.44 | Guerin | directhex|work: omfg ur maddox!!11 |
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| 11:20.09 | directhex|work | Guerin, it used to point to captain gaping anus, but associates warned me about that & "getting sued" |
| 11:20.20 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:20.25 | Guerin | bah, humbug |
| 11:20.42 | Guerin | they can't sue you for innocent coincidence |
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| 11:21.03 | Guerin | (he says, knowing full well that they can) |
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| 11:24.19 | ircdevil | how can i find out if the precompiled ghostscript in woody was compiled with `pcx256' and `pbmraw' drivers ? |
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| 11:25.41 | Guerin | ircdevil: utsl |
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| 11:30.23 | j_k | !root |
| 11:30.23 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 11:31.15 | Bazzi | :) |
| 11:31.20 | liable | no compiling, bleh |
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| 11:33.08 | Guerin | name three things which need root to build |
| 11:33.32 | liable | none, but why not? |
| 11:33.40 | Guerin | because it's unnecessary |
| 11:34.00 | liable | yeah well, but why not |
| 11:34.07 | Guerin | what if the makefile has a typo which deletes $SHITYOUWANT |
| 11:34.29 | liable | then I live with it :) |
| 11:34.45 | Guerin | there are a million whatifs, and all thigns considered, the onus is on YOU to say why you WOULD use an elephant gun to hunt squirrels. |
| 11:35.30 | Guerin | the minimal force principle is a cornerstone of sane computing |
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| 11:36.03 | liable | well, right, I wont argue, but I dont see the problem really |
| 11:36.19 | Guerin | elephant gun. squirrels. |
| 11:36.26 | Guerin | nothing much more to say. |
| 11:36.30 | liable | if there is a makefile in debian that does that, i'll file a bug |
| 11:36.30 | Bazzi | well yesterday I su'd to root to use some apt-get'ing and I forgot to switch back and saw it while connecting to irc... and I thought 'OH NO!' :( |
| 11:36.38 | liable | and whinge here |
| 11:36.45 | Guerin | yeah, that happens |
| 11:36.51 | Bazzi | (yeah next time I'll use sudo...) |
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| 11:37.10 | ircdevil | Bazzi: we know ... |
| 11:37.26 | liable | Guerin: and you actually know of an instance? |
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| 11:37.33 | Guerin | liable: an instance of what? |
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| 11:37.47 | Guerin | needing root to build? |
| 11:37.55 | Ajobondon | oh, sudo is more secure than su? |
| 11:38.05 | liable | 21:37 < Guerin> what if the makefile has a typo which deletes $SHITYOUWANT |
| 11:38.05 | Guerin | Ajobondon: not explicitly. |
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| 11:38.07 | Gathond | Ajobondon: depends |
| 11:38.35 | Guerin | liable: do you read and understand every makefile perfectly before running it? |
| 11:38.37 | Gathond | Ajobondon: they are actually doing 2 different things iirc, su changes user and sudo does something as root |
| 11:38.42 | liable | Guerin: no |
| 11:38.49 | liable | do you |
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| 11:38.59 | Guerin | liable: so you actually have no way of knowing what the makefile could potentially do. |
| 11:39.15 | Guerin | no, I run it as a user so it can't pwn me. |
| 11:39.25 | Guerin | or at least, it can't pwn me as bad |
| 11:39.26 | liable | Guerin: no, I maybe mistakenly trust the dd's |
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| 11:40.07 | liable | Guerin: I *dont* compile anything but kernel from source generally |
| 11:40.22 | Guerin | that's no excuse |
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| 11:40.53 | Guerin | again; unless you can come up with a good reason why you should build software as root, you oughtn't be doing it |
| 11:41.01 | petemc | liable: just what exactly are you driving at? its a well known fact you shouldnt be running lots of stuff as root, its been argued to death a 1000 times over |
| 11:41.16 | Guerin | unless you just like the power rush of having your prompt end in # |
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| 11:41.31 | liable | petemc: eh? when did I say I was running stuff from root? |
| 11:41.32 | Knight_Lord | Hi i have one of those snd_intel8x0 sound cards and i just installed sarge. I can't get the sound to work :-(. When i try to run alsamixer i get no such device. With xmms on OSS output it looks fine but i get absolutely no sound |
| 11:41.52 | petemc | liable: so what is your point? |
| 11:41.53 | Knight_Lord | I checked with aumix and the sound volume is up. Can anyone help me? |
| 11:42.05 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: sounds like you have both oss and alsa modules in kernel |
| 11:42.06 | Ajobondon | Guerin: it's mean you want to say, just use sudo than su? right? |
| 11:42.15 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: what does cat /proc/asound/cards; give? |
| 11:42.27 | liable | forget it, I am not getting into a shitfight about it |
| 11:42.51 | lind^ | Knight_Lord: I don't about your card but mine soundcard works only with random drivers, not with the real ones. |
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| 11:42.57 | Knight_Lord | Guerin no sounds cards |
| 11:43.08 | Guerin | Ajobondon: preference. It depends on your setup. sudo is designed to give fine-grained privilige escalation abilities; it CAN be more secure, but misconfigured, it can open you right up. |
| 11:43.36 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: ok. give me the output of lsmod |grep snd on a httpd |
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| 11:43.55 | Guerin | liable: you brought it up. |
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| 11:44.04 | ^rob^ | i |
| 11:44.06 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 11:44.39 | ^rob^ | does anyone know if you get a corupted file with wget - how can be repaired ? |
| 11:45.03 | petemc | ^rob^: wget -c |
| 11:45.08 | ^rob^ | the source is not corupted - only what i get - and it has 500 Mb |
| 11:45.31 | ^rob^ | petemc: -c means continue - and it say - can't truncate file |
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| 11:45.53 | liable | Guerin: I am just saying, compiling as root isnt *evil*, I dont know why its shuddered at |
| 11:46.22 | Knight_Lord | Guerin http://xray.bmc.uu.se/~filipe/lsmod |
| 11:46.35 | liable | Guerin: and thats where I will depart and say g'nite |
| 11:46.44 | ^rob^ | petemc: here |
| 11:46.48 | ^rob^ | oops |
| 11:46.51 | Gathond | liable: same reason as not generally editing files with vim running as root, there is no need to be root, so being root is an unnesecary risk |
| 11:47.17 | Guerin | liable: not evil. ust stupid. And unnecessary. |
| 11:47.18 | ^rob^ | here what's say (wget) |
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| 11:47.18 | ^rob^ | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable |
| 11:47.18 | ^rob^ | Continued download failed on this file, which conflicts with `-c'. |
| 11:47.18 | ^rob^ | Refusing to truncate existing file `filez-lnx-full-3_1.tar.bz2' |
| 11:47.46 | petemc | ^rob^: dunno then, wget maybe doesnt have the smarts - do you have rsync access? |
| 11:47.48 | jm_ | ^rob^: maybe server doesn't support resuming |
| 11:47.48 | Delph | ^rob^: the 416 is probably the more interesting thing -- has the file changed on the server? |
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| 11:48.05 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: hrm, you're the second person in a couple days I've seen with a nonfunctional i8x0 |
| 11:48.18 | ^rob^ | Delph: i don't think so! |
| 11:48.22 | Knight_Lord | Guerin the sound works in redhat with snd_intel8x0 |
| 11:48.24 | jethro | i8x0 is teh suck |
| 11:48.37 | Guerin | worked, with a different kernel version. |
| 11:48.38 | ^rob^ | jm_: it is a 500 Mb file - i got it in 3 days - resuming it |
| 11:48.39 | Knight_Lord | Guerin the kernel was from defora core 2 |
| 11:48.48 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: the other guy was talking about another driver, but I can't remember the name of it. |
| 11:48.51 | jm_ | ^rob^: that's pretty much irrelevant |
| 11:49.05 | ^rob^ | petemc: no |
| 11:49.17 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: what does cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ; yield? |
| 11:49.23 | Knight_Lord | Guerin im trying with 2.6.8-1. Ill check 2.6.8-2 |
| 11:49.29 | ^rob^ | jm_: http - i guess it's apache - can't do resume? |
| 11:49.38 | Guerin | yeah, do so. no good reason to use a -1 kernel |
| 11:49.41 | Knight_Lord | Guerin nothing |
| 11:49.46 | jm_ | ^rob^: apache can do it, but maybe the range it's asked to resume is wrong |
| 11:49.50 | Knight_Lord | Guerin ok ill reboot brb |
| 11:49.53 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: no white noise, but no error? |
| 11:50.02 | Knight_Lord | Guerin exactly just silence |
| 11:50.10 | Guerin | ok; try the other kernel |
| 11:50.11 | ^rob^ | jm_: ah. ok |
| 11:50.11 | poli | Knight_Lord: silence isn't white noise |
| 11:50.12 | liable | You almost made me trol guys, but instead, good night all :) |
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| 11:50.23 | jethro | night liable |
| 11:50.24 | Knight_Lord | Knight_Lord thats what we said |
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| 11:50.44 | ChrisW_ | what the freenode ops channel again? |
| 11:50.48 | liable | jethro: nite dude |
| 11:50.50 | ChrisW_ | I just got spammed by two bots :-( |
| 11:51.00 | poli | crisen: #freenode |
| 11:51.01 | Guerin | ChrisW_: #freenode, bizarrely. read the topic in here. |
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| 11:51.07 | poli | crisen: sorry |
| 11:51.17 | ChrisW_ | hurm |
| 11:51.26 | ChrisW_ | I have a cron job set at @hourly, and it ain't running |
| 11:51.27 | jm_ | ^rob^: you might also get this error if file is fully retrieved |
| 11:51.37 | ChrisW_ | not even showing up in /var/log/cron |
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| 11:51.43 | ChrisW_ | any idea why that could be? |
| 11:51.49 | Guerin | ChrisW_: is the script +x |
| 11:51.51 | Guerin | ? |
| 11:51.58 | Guerin | i mean, could be a million reasons |
| 11:52.25 | ChrisW_ | u+x |
| 11:52.27 | ChrisW_ | yep |
| 11:52.42 | ChrisW_ | but I'm confused 'cos I'd expect at least a line in /var/log/cron |
| 11:52.43 | Guerin | is it owned by the user whose cron is running? |
| 11:52.50 | ChrisW_ | yep |
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| 11:53.03 | ChrisW_ | and if an error occurred, I'd expect a mail from cronj |
| 11:53.10 | ChrisW_ | but I've got none of those... |
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| 11:53.27 | Knight_Lord | Guerin we're making progress now alsamixer actually works |
| 11:53.43 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: that means you should be roses. |
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| 11:53.56 | Knight_Lord | Guerin now i only get a device or resource busy when opening pcm when i start xmms |
| 11:54.10 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: don't use xmms - use cat |
| 11:54.36 | ChrisW_ | hurm, how do I begin bedugging this? |
| 11:54.42 | crashbg | hikenboot, i installed debian on my main PC wich has 2xSATA harddrives configured from the BIOS of A7N8X-E Deluxe in "fake raid", aka semi-software raid |
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| 11:54.47 | ChrisW_ | no entries in /var/log/cron |
| 11:54.49 | Knight_Lord | Guerin i get nice white noise :-) |
| 11:55.04 | Guerin | modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 11:55.07 | crashbg | on another PATA harddrive |
| 11:55.18 | crashbg | on the SATA harddrives i have windowsxp installed |
| 11:55.32 | Knight_Lord | Guerin i think it was stupid esd |
| 11:55.36 | Guerin | yep |
| 11:55.40 | Guerin | that'll do it |
| 11:55.43 | Knight_Lord | there we go :-) |
| 11:55.48 | Knight_Lord | Guerin thanks for the help :-) |
| 11:55.52 | Guerin | no sweat. |
| 11:56.03 | crashbg | how can i add the RAID to GRUB as boot option?\ |
| 11:56.40 | jm_ | crashbg: did you check if simple chainloading from first drive works? |
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| 11:57.24 | crashbg | jm_, something like rootnoverify (/dev/sda) ? |
| 11:57.37 | crashbg | makeaktive then chainloader +1 |
| 11:57.54 | jm_ | crashbg: well rootnoverify is optional, chainload (hd0,0)+1 and then boot |
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| 11:58.23 | jm_ | assuming hd0 is where Windows is and you want to boot it with GRUB |
| 11:58.24 | ChrisW_ | gah |
| 11:58.25 | crashbg | but (hd0,0) isn't it pata harddrive? |
| 11:58.28 | ChrisW_ | save didn't take |
| 11:58.29 | ChrisW_ | no wonder |
| 11:58.31 | ChrisW_ | trying again... |
| 11:58.38 | jm_ | I don't know, you have to find that out |
| 11:58.52 | crashbg | there are 2xSATA in STRIPPET mode |
| 11:58.52 | jm_ | GRUB will name the drives in the order BIOS presents them |
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| 11:59.18 | jm_ | and the command is chainloader ;) |
| 11:59.21 | Knight_Lord | Guerin a slightly different question. How difficult is it to get Alsa to work with multiple applications using the sound at the same time (i think this is multichannel) |
| 11:59.40 | jm_ | Knight_Lord: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 11:59.58 | crashbg | grub is installed in mbr of hda which is PATA |
| 12:00.00 | jm_ | even simpler would be to buy a card that can do this |
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| 12:00.32 | jm_ | crashbg: like I said, it doesn't matter - change it to hd1 if hd0 is wrong |
| 12:00.33 | Knight_Lord | jm_ ok thanks i'll continue using esd |
| 12:00.36 | Gathond | Knight_Lord: depends alot on the hardware i think |
| 12:00.39 | jm_ | Knight_Lord: bwahaha |
| 12:00.55 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:01.06 | crashbg | i told the BIOS to load first from the HD0 and the second options is to boot from RAID |
| 12:01.10 | Guerin | or you can just buy a sblive, which does it in hardware |
| 12:01.10 | Gathond | Knight_Lord: just buy an sb-live card, they are cheap and have a well supported hardware mixer integrated that will handle up to 32 streams |
| 12:01.30 | jm_ | ok, so check if GRUB knows about drives other than hd0 and try to chainload the bootloader installed there |
| 12:01.33 | crashbg | now grub loads (hd0,0) |
| 12:01.39 | jm_ | Guerin: not all SBLive-s do |
| 12:01.58 | jm_ | these new ones are el crapola, so you have to be careful what you buy |
| 12:01.58 | crashbg | which is the linux on the pata hdd |
| 12:02.02 | Gathond | jm_: sure? my old original one does |
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| 12:02.11 | jm_ | Gathond: yes, so does mine - see above |
| 12:02.19 | crashbg | jm_, how to check if grub finds them? have any ideas?\ |
| 12:02.35 | Gathond | jm_: ahh so it is the newer ones that might not? .. odd i thought the mixing were done in the main chip |
| 12:02.55 | jm_ | crashbg: chainloader (hd<tab> ... |
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| 12:03.21 | crashbg | ok i'll try |
| 12:03.23 | jm_ | Gathond: they don't use the same cheap on all cards, especially the cheap versions |
| 12:03.35 | jm_ | chip even |
| 12:03.56 | jm_ | ALSA mailing list is full of useful info like this ;) |
| 12:04.07 | Gathond | jm_: but is those not the sb-128 and not emu10k based? |
| 12:04.35 | jm_ | Gathond: I don't know all the details, I just know they don't support hardware mixing - sb128 doesn't do it either, but it gives you dsp0 and dsp1 |
| 12:04.36 | Guerin | jm_: hrm, interesting. I thought it was in the chipset. |
| 12:04.44 | Guerin | oh, i see |
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| 12:04.47 | Guerin | laggage |
| 12:05.09 | jm_ | let's check ALSA page |
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| 12:07.52 | directhex|work | dsp0 and dsp1 are for the front and rear speakers, iirc. sb128 is quadrophonic |
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| 12:12.45 | crashbg | ok, GRUB finds my RAID as (hd1,0-3) |
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| 12:13.12 | jm_ | tried booting from it? |
| 12:13.51 | crashbg | i tried chainloader (hd1,0) but grub says something like not absolute path or something like this |
| 12:14.02 | jm_ | that's not the command I gave you |
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| 12:14.48 | crashbg | sorry, what was the command? i wanted to check if it's recognised |
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| 12:14.57 | jm_ | you're missing +1 |
| 12:15.16 | crashbg | chainloadres +1 (hd1,0) ? |
| 12:15.39 | moonunit | chainloader +1 |
| 12:15.42 | jm_ | no, "chainloader (hd1,0)+1" - read GRUB docs |
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| 12:16.12 | saitan | anyone with experience of ATI driver? I followed the Flavio's HOWTO. lsmod shows fglrx, agpgart intel_agp and ati_agp loaded, but I still get (EE) fglrx(0): [agp] Failed to set AGP mode! - using kernel 2.6.11.9 |
| 12:16.13 | crashbg | ok jm_ :) thanks really! |
| 12:17.25 | directhex|work | saitan, disable intel_agp and ati_agp, learn the syntax to use fglrx's internal agp gart driver |
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| 12:18.23 | n1637 | What's the best source for PHP5? DotDeb? |
| 12:19.16 | n1637 | (I'm having trouble with one of their dependencies, and wondering if the packages are elsewhere also.) |
| 12:19.21 | karsten | Where is .forward file syntax documented? |
| 12:19.27 | greycat | saitan: are you telling fglrx to use its *OWN* agp driver, or the Linux one? They must match. |
| 12:19.36 | greycat | karsten: man forward |
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| 12:19.56 | saitan | directhex|work, thanks buit when I disable intel_agp I get the xf86_ENOMEM error. Where do I learn about the syntaz of fglrx |
| 12:20.02 | Guerin | !qotd19 |
| 12:20.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd19 is <Overfiend> "PHP 5! Now with Zend-enhanced multicrashing! Reserve your copy today!" |
| 12:20.18 | greycat | karsten: although, as is typical, you may need to have a *real* unix box to get that man page, since GNU (Debian) probably doesn't have it. |
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| 12:21.22 | greycat | hmm... mine's actually from qmail, and it not the man page for .forward |
| 12:21.25 | xzA | How to see if a network card is running by full or half duplex ? |
| 12:21.33 | greycat | xzA: mii-tool |
| 12:21.34 | karsten | greycat: No such manpage. I think it's the same as procmail(5)'s delivery rules though. |
| 12:21.53 | karsten | greycat: ! <name> == address. | <name> == program. <name> == file. |
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| 12:22.24 | saitan | greycat: I tried both "UseInternalAGPGART" yes and no fglrx.ko does not load without the kernel agpgart.ko |
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| 12:24.15 | jethro | karsten: look at freebsd manpage for forward then |
| 12:24.40 | asg | karsten: or openbsd's collection |
| 12:24.50 | jethro | yeah that too |
| 12:25.01 | jethro | hi asg :) |
| 12:25.07 | asg | jethro: morning |
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| 12:26.21 | Poncha | hi |
| 12:26.46 | Poncha | i've run apt-get dist-upgrade , but in the middle my ssh session was terminated... |
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| 12:27.07 | Poncha | now when i'm reconnected i killed apt-get and restarted dist-upgrade with -f |
| 12:27.07 | drac | saitan: ati_agp loaded? That's for motherboard with ATi chipset on them. |
| 12:27.09 | jethro | Poncha: apt-get -f install, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:27.12 | Poncha | but i get this: |
| 12:27.14 | Poncha | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 12:27.19 | jm_ | heh |
| 12:27.23 | bob2 | so |
| 12:27.26 | bob2 | remove the lock file |
| 12:27.28 | Poncha | how can i unlock it ? |
| 12:27.29 | bob2 | then install screen |
| 12:27.33 | bob2 | then resume the install inside it |
| 12:27.41 | greycat | kill the other process |
| 12:27.44 | Poncha | whats the lock file ? |
| 12:27.45 | jethro | Poncha: kill the other ap^t-get |
| 12:27.57 | Poncha | i killed -9 all apt-get instances |
| 12:27.58 | karsten | asg: I think technically it's an MTA feature, so exim ought to cover it. |
| 12:28.12 | greycat | NEVER USE -9!! |
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| 12:28.23 | Poncha | but i suspect apt-get launches other scripts as well... |
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| 12:28.40 | asg | karsten: yes, the exim spec will have full coverage |
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| 12:29.01 | incorrect | logrotate runs as root right? |
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| 12:29.05 | greycat | jethro: not "a former colleague"? :) |
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| 12:29.14 | Poncha | greycat, well, i already did (and only after that thought that should i not have used -9 it might have exited gracefully :( ) |
| 12:29.14 | Guerin | greycat: I asked that, too. |
| 12:29.18 | karsten | jethro: colleague or ex-colleague? |
| 12:29.18 | jethro | greycat: I wish he got fired since then |
| 12:29.19 | karsten | greycat: Heh. |
| 12:29.39 | saitan | drac: thanks - I will remove ati_agp, set BusID and restart the server |
| 12:29.40 | jethro | sill in place , sadly |
| 12:29.41 | crashbg | ok, i've tried chainloader (hd1,{0,1,2})+1 then type boot |
| 12:29.53 | greycat | Poncha: clearly apt-get itself will not put a lock on a /var/.../debconf/ file. Try debconf. |
| 12:29.54 | Poncha | whats the lockfile for config.dat ? (or is it a lockfile itself ? ) |
| 12:29.56 | saitan | restarting xserver see u guys in a sec |
| 12:29.58 | crashbg | on hd1,0 and hd1,1 nothing happens |
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| 12:30.07 | bob2 | Poncha: look in the dir it's in |
| 12:30.15 | Poncha | looking |
| 12:30.19 | jethro | greycat: karsten , and that was just right after he read man kill, as per root's history :) he must've used the very first example ... |
| 12:30.23 | incorrect | if i wanted to push logs on logrotate, now it wouldn't so smart to scp them as root in logrotate.d |
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| 12:30.39 | crashbg | when i type chainloader (hd1,2)+1 |
| 12:30.40 | crashbg | boot |
| 12:30.51 | Poncha | have there : config.dat config.dat-old passwords.dat templates.dat templates.dat-old |
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| 12:31.09 | crashbg | it says that i have to type ctrl+alt+del because there is a problem with the partition |
| 12:31.43 | Guerin | jethro: chalk another one up to RTFM |
| 12:31.51 | Guerin | as opposed to UTFM |
| 12:31.53 | xzA | Any idea why my server can only send/get with 20kbs when its on a 10mbit linie?.. its the same on LAN too |
| 12:32.05 | jethro | Guerin: you lost me on that one |
| 12:32.09 | Guerin | xzA: magnetism |
| 12:32.17 | Guerin | jethro: understand |
| 12:32.20 | xzA | Guerin: MAGNETISM? |
| 12:32.21 | Poncha | ok, i think i found it... had whiptail running from previous apt run |
| 12:32.23 | greycat | xzA: duplex. |
| 12:32.38 | xzA | greycat: its running by full duplex |
| 12:32.43 | Guerin | xzA: very likely something to do with electrons flowing, or not. That's what magnetism is, you know. |
| 12:32.54 | greycat | xzA: how do you know that is the correct setting? |
| 12:33.12 | jm_ | crashbg: so you didn't have PATA disk in there before? |
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| 12:33.28 | xzA | greycat: from mii-tool: eth0: 100 Mbit, full duplex, link ok |
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| 12:33.36 | greycat | Guerin: hey, aren't you supposed to be working on the TOE? |
| 12:33.47 | greycat | xzA: how do you know whether that's correct? |
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| 12:33.54 | xzA | greycat: never mind dude.. |
| 12:34.01 | greycat | xzA: what's the OTHER END OF THE WIRE running at? |
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| 12:34.09 | xzA | 1gbit |
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| 12:34.17 | greycat | xzA: what is the fucking SWITCH PORT set to? |
| 12:34.33 | xzA | fix your lang ? |
| 12:34.33 | greycat | oh, it's a gigabit? then mii-tool probably lies. |
| 12:34.43 | xzA | greycat noo because its a 100mbit netcard |
| 12:34.45 | xzA | so no its not.. |
| 12:34.47 | greycat | madev:~$ echo $LANG |
| 12:34.48 | greycat | en_US.iso88591 |
| 12:34.50 | gass | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/16/1758249&tid=109&tid=163&tid=110&tid=98&tid=218 |
| 12:34.53 | gass | impossible? |
| 12:34.55 | xzA | greycat: your fucking IRL LANG! |
| 12:34.59 | greycat | then why did you write "1gbit"? |
| 12:35.10 | xzA | greycat: because you asked what my switch was running at. |
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| 12:35.22 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 12:35.28 | dmzz | lol |
| 12:35.36 | Guerin | TOE? |
| 12:35.37 | xzA | idiot |
| 12:35.56 | jethro | greycat : anytime you plonk, there's an extra entry in your ignore list? |
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| 12:35.59 | greycat | Guerin: Theory Of Everything. Unification of forces, etc. |
| 12:36.04 | Guerin | oh |
| 12:36.06 | Guerin | gave up |
| 12:36.14 | greycat | jethro: usually set to expire in ten days, but yes. |
| 12:36.24 | xzA | weee thanks |
| 12:36.24 | jethro | xzA: don't call people idiots when you can't provide usefull details to the one willing to help you |
| 12:36.30 | Guerin | my wife has a theory; we'll call it deb's law |
| 12:36.45 | xzA | jethro: i did?, it was him that startet... read. |
| 12:36.49 | greycat | "Whatever deb says is the law"? |
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| 12:37.07 | jethro | !tell xzA -about smart questions |
| 12:37.19 | jethro | xzA: read this, it might help you avoid such replies in the future |
| 12:37.20 | xzA | !tell greycat -about smart questions |
| 12:37.28 | jethro | haha |
| 12:37.29 | Guerin | "As a person's knowledge and understanding of a given topic increases, the most valuable thing they can say to those who are less familiar with this topic is "It's Complicated."' |
| 12:37.50 | Guerin | greycat: that's not a law, that's a universal truth |
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| 12:39.06 | karsten | Guerin: That's a good start, but there's more to it than that... |
| 12:39.14 | asg | Guerin: Corollary #1: For the really less familiar, the most valuable thing to say is "It tastes like Jam" |
| 12:39.31 | technos | Guerin: That's a good theory. In my house we have Demonishi's Law. You're wrong. Even if you're right, or you can prove it, you're wrong. Nyah. |
| 12:39.32 | Guerin | hah |
| 12:39.41 | karsten | asg: There must be a lot of salty, high-protein jam in the world. |
| 12:40.12 | asg | karsten: Jalapeño preserves and pork rinds? |
| 12:40.16 | Guerin | this comes from her getting into arguments with, for example, goths and christians about judeo-christian history; |
| 12:40.24 | peterS | karsten: not everything is about lox |
| 12:40.28 | karsten | asg: Precisemont! |
| 12:40.40 | karsten | peterS: Mmmm. Salmon.... |
| 12:40.51 | Guerin | i love teh salmon |
| 12:40.56 | Brahim | bonjour je suis debutant sous Debian et j'ai un petit problème au reboot, debian bloque sur starting diald et plus rien |
| 12:41.03 | jethro | !fr |
| 12:41.03 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:41.08 | greycat | !fr |
| 12:41.12 | Guerin | and yet, I have a friend from a fishing village in BC who doesn't eat the stuff - at all. Hates all fish. |
| 12:41.16 | Guerin | how does that shit happen? |
| 12:41.22 | karsten | Guerin: Went deep-sea fishing just outside the Golden Gate one time w/ the ex. |
| 12:41.23 | greycat | damn, I'm lagged 5s. :( |
| 12:41.37 | Brahim | -fr |
| 12:41.38 | karsten | Guerin: Got a couple of small fish -- meaning only about 10# total. |
| 12:41.42 | Guerin | karsten: i'm a rocks and beaches kinda guy my elf. |
| 12:41.43 | karsten | Which we BBQd.... |
| 12:41.44 | asg | karsten: did you come back with the ex? |
| 12:41.47 | Guerin | heh |
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| 12:41.55 | karsten | asg: Well, most of her. |
| 12:42.03 | asg | ah |
| 12:42.06 | karsten | asg: ...she was chumming a bit over the side in the chop. |
| 12:42.07 | greycat | Guerin: you have an elf? |
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| 12:42.23 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/elf.jpg |
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| 12:42.32 | karsten | Guerin: Too much salmon. Even the cats were turning their noses up at it. |
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| 12:42.43 | Guerin | karsten: man smokehouse |
| 12:42.43 | karsten | Guerin: ...mind, _after_ they'd had their fill. |
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| 12:42.49 | jethro | greycat: heh |
| 12:42.56 | jethro | Guerin: ^^ |
| 12:43.08 | karsten | Guerin: Oh yeah. Realized that the dockside dressing service was actually a good deal. |
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| 12:43.28 | Guerin | bah, I never let other people prepare my fish |
| 12:43.47 | boycer | I used to have simple rules of food: if it had more than 4 legs or less than 2, I wasn't eating it. |
| 12:43.50 | Guerin | unless i don't have a decent knife... and I try to carr one o' those on my person at all times |
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| 12:43.57 | karsten | Guerin: Considering that was (and remains) a once-in-a-lifetime experience, it prolly wouldn't have been a bad call. |
| 12:43.57 | boycer | Then I went to Japan... :) |
| 12:44.05 | Guerin | boycer: heh :) |
| 12:44.13 | Guerin | boycer: done fugu? |
| 12:44.32 | boycer | Guerin: no.... tho now I'm intrigued. what is it? |
| 12:44.47 | saitan | ATI fglrx driver problem. Kernel 2.6.11.9 fglrx 8.12.10. modules (agpgart, intel_agp and fglrx_agp). without intel_agp I get ENOMEM error, with intel_agp I get (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP |
| 12:44.47 | karsten | boycer: IIRC, blowfish. |
| 12:44.48 | Guerin | boycer: puffer |
| 12:44.58 | karsten | Guerin: Does OpenBSD count? |
| 12:45.06 | karsten | Guerin: IIRC, that went down pretty raw. |
| 12:45.10 | boycer | Guerin: oh yeah! Um, maybe, I wasn't too sure what I was eating half the time. |
| 12:45.12 | peterS | Guerin: oh, I like your elf.jpg |
| 12:45.25 | Guerin | in japan, it's a huge deal that chefs have to train for years to prepare. In korea it's prepared by every random fishwife in the market. They have roughly the same number of fatalities every year. |
| 12:45.26 | karsten | peterS: It's an elf portrait. |
| 12:45.26 | saitan | tried both UseInternalAGPGART yes and no |
| 12:45.33 | peterS | karsten: yeah, that too |
| 12:45.42 | Guerin | peterS: full credit should go to my mate who invented it in 1995 |
| 12:45.47 | greycat | saitan: try #ati |
| 12:45.48 | boycer | didn't much like the octopus tho - too bouncy |
| 12:46.07 | Guerin | this is just a dirty replica of the actual poster he had on his wall :) |
| 12:46.12 | karsten | Guerin: is it the husbands who die, though, in Korea? |
| 12:46.22 | peterS | Guerin: ahhh - he had a poster he'd modded himself? |
| 12:46.26 | Guerin | karsten: no data has been collected, ttbomk. |
| 12:46.29 | Guerin | peterS: yeah. |
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| 12:47.06 | saitan | greycat: do I get OpenGL with ati? mesa seems very slow |
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| 12:47.30 | greycat | you have to ask about the perversiosn? |
| 12:47.39 | peterS | karsten: hey, respect the pufferfish. they brought us openssh |
| 12:47.45 | greycat | granted, the pufferfish is a bit unusual. |
| 12:47.52 | karsten | peterS: Yes, as I noted. |
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| 12:48.09 | karsten | Guerin: I'm still wondering if oBSD is an acceptable fugu substitute. |
| 12:48.13 | boycer | I've heard that if it's prepared really well, by the finest chefs, it can taste 'quite good'. |
| 12:48.14 | technos | The perversion is normal. But the cocaine is like so 1980's. Time to put away your Zilog 80's, M68K's and step up to crack. |
| 12:48.26 | karsten | boycer: ...and if it's not, you don't care. |
| 12:48.27 | Guerin | karsten: i don't think so. The point of obsd is safety, not risk. |
| 12:48.35 | greycat | karsten: oBSD isn't, but a conversation with Theo is. |
| 12:48.36 | boycer | karsten: :) |
| 12:48.43 | Guerin | karsten: trying to crack an obsd box is another thing... |
| 12:48.58 | peterS | technos: he said cobain, didn't he, not cocaine. granted, the two might be related |
| 12:49.03 | Guerin | naw |
| 12:49.12 | Guerin | kurt was a smackhead, not a charlie |
| 12:49.23 | peterS | oh, true |
| 12:49.36 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah, we're waiting for technos to get on message. |
| 12:49.38 | peterS | white powder is white powder |
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| 12:50.09 | peterS | karsten: thanks. hope I don't get busted with this stuff lying around |
| 12:50.13 | Guerin | (not by the kilo) |
| 12:50.30 | technos | peterS: Bleh. I'm too tired this morning, my feeble attempts at humor fall flatter than septagenerian without her bra. |
| 12:50.33 | karsten | Guerin: The question is, did you score chicks with it? |
| 12:51.04 | Guerin | karsten: bah, I need no powders and potions to 'score chicks' |
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| 12:51.37 | karsten | Guerin: The idea of a confectioners sugar ho seems somehow ripe for exploration. |
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| 12:51.57 | Guerin | karsten: you need it more than I, by the sounds. |
| 12:52.07 | karsten | Guerin: I keep telling you about 'em in email, but you never reply... |
| 12:52.20 | karsten | Guerin: Well, chicks dig guys who cook. |
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| 12:52.30 | Guerin | oh, I block all email from the states. Most of it is just spam. |
| 12:52.47 | karsten | Guerin: By that logic, most email is spam. Block it all! |
| 12:53.00 | Guerin | karsten: i'd only have about three false positives per day. |
| 12:53.06 | Guerin | then again |
| 12:53.06 | greycat | most email from *anywhere* is just spam. |
| 12:53.12 | karsten | Guerin: ...and I've had more than one woman swoon by way of fact of my skills in the kitchen. |
| 12:53.21 | karsten | Guerin: ...though I have to admit the standards seem low. |
| 12:53.31 | karsten | Guerin: ...simply knowing where in the house it is is a leg up. |
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| 12:53.48 | Guerin | i still only get about a dozen spams per day, if you include the fact that i pipe all the mail from my gmx accounts (which are already filtered, but still get a dozen + per day, each) through spamd |
| 12:54.05 | saitan | greycat: I changed a few option in my XF86Config and I will try again - radeon driver was a better than ati but neither got the ati GLcore runing |
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| 12:54.34 | greycat | saitan: I said try #ati. With a # on it. As in, the channel. |
| 12:54.34 | karsten | And I'd hate to mention anything remotely technical, but very interesting "how do you manage a metric buttload of systems" site: http://www.infrastructures.org/ |
| 12:54.45 | Guerin | karsten: heh. I must say, I've been off the public market for nearly ten years... all I notice now is that when my standards slip, I hear about it. |
| 12:55.14 | saitan | greycat: hehehe I thought your were talking about the driver - I am going there - thanks again |
| 12:55.15 | shem | hi guys, have done apt-get update on a sarge install. started having issues with samba. when I rebooted the server it wouldn't boot beyond grub stage 1.5, throws up error 17. any ideas? |
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| 12:56.02 | karsten | shem: GRUB != Samba. |
| 12:56.09 | takatumi | shem: apt-get update surely won't cause any of those errors. |
| 12:56.12 | karsten | shem: got a boot disk / cd? |
| 12:56.16 | shem | no |
| 12:56.24 | shem | tried downloading a few live cds |
| 12:56.35 | shem | they don't seem to detect the hard drive |
| 12:56.38 | karsten | shem: ...sounds like possible disk errors. Have you checked system logs for errors? |
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| 12:56.48 | shem | can't even boot into it. |
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| 12:56.58 | karsten | shem: That also tends to implicate the HD. |
| 12:57.06 | karsten | shem: What's your HD? Make, size, age? |
| 12:57.24 | shem | yeah, its a Dell SC420. Maxtor hdd, 80gb |
| 12:57.38 | karsten | shem: Maxtors have a pretty poor survival rate IME. |
| 12:57.50 | greycat | apt-get update doesn't change anything.... |
| 12:57.54 | karsten | shem: How long's the system been powered off (if at all)? |
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| 12:58.11 | Guerin | any electrical storms recently? |
| 12:58.14 | shem | 10 minutes |
| 12:58.20 | karsten | greycat: No, but if he started having Samba issues, then couldn't boot. Could have been incipient failure w/ apt-get as partial case. |
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| 12:58.31 | slimboy | hi |
| 12:58.37 | slimboy | does any one know squid >>? |
| 12:58.45 | Guerin | no |
| 12:58.49 | karsten | shem: Suggestions: leave system powered down for an hour or so, let systems cool. Try booting a rescue disk. Check your system logs. |
| 12:58.53 | Guerin | it's one of the great mysteries of the universe |
| 12:59.00 | karsten | slimboy: Guerin's pretty good with fish and sushi in general. |
| 12:59.03 | K_Dallas | Morning guys! I have some OpenType Adobe fonts and would like to know if they could be installed and used on Sarge if possible how? (I am actually trying to convert them into tfm for using in my latex documents but it would be nice to have them system wide) thanks |
| 12:59.03 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 12:59.03 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 12:59.12 | shem | ok |
| 12:59.15 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! I have some OpenType Adobe fonts and would like to know if they could be installed and used on Sarge if possible how? (I am actually trying to convert them into tfm for using in my latex documents but it would be nice to have them system wide) thanks |
| 12:59.23 | Brahim | I have a probleme during the reboot of my machine the starting up jams on " starting dial " and nothing more how to start correctly |
| 12:59.28 | Guerin | !overfiendsmite resiak |
| 12:59.31 | greycat | there are 23 people in #squid just dying to hear your questions... |
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| 12:59.39 | karsten | shem: If it won't start then, one trick is to freeze the drive. Do this only if you can't access it at all, as there's a risk of damage. |
| 12:59.45 | Guerin | i found squid to be very well documented. |
| 12:59.54 | shem | I had a laptop that had hard disk problem too. couldn't find the hard disk to boot up. turned it off, came home tonight to find it working.... |
| 13:00.02 | slimboy | <Guerin> |
| 13:00.04 | shem | hmm. |
| 13:00.05 | Guerin | shem: replace that disk, sunshine. |
| 13:00.08 | karsten | shem: ...you should also think about what you want to do with what's on the disk. Meaning having a replacement drive ready to go might be a good idea. |
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| 13:00.18 | slimboy | <Guerin> did squid need nobody to run |
| 13:00.19 | karsten | shem: Hard drive problems tend to be progressive. |
| 13:00.37 | shem | sure. I will try and get the data out first. |
| 13:00.39 | resiak | <slimboy>Do you like XML, by any chance?</slimboy> |
| 13:00.40 | Guerin | slimboy: just detail what you're having trouble with. |
| 13:00.47 | resiak | slimboy: Did you remove the "nobody" user? |
| 13:00.47 | karsten | slimboy: squid runs as 'proxy' by default. |
| 13:00.54 | peterS | oh, he's here too |
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| 13:01.00 | Guerin | oh |
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| 13:01.07 | karsten | shem: Got any data on there you need recovered? |
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| 13:01.14 | slimboy | <Guerin> i left isa server and i need to install squid instead |
| 13:01.19 | slimboy | it's my first time now |
| 13:01.24 | slimboy | i compile it |
| 13:01.29 | shem | Karsten: yes |
| 13:01.30 | Guerin | slimboy: ok. what do you need it to proxy? http? |
| 13:01.31 | shem | heaps. |
| 13:01.33 | slimboy | and i run it it doesn't work |
| 13:01.34 | Guerin | !wayc slimboy |
| 13:01.35 | dpkg | slimboy: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 13:01.35 | slimboy | i donno |
| 13:01.37 | greycat | slimboy: STOP attributing your words to Guerin!! |
| 13:01.45 | slimboy | i heard that i need to creat user or something |
| 13:01.53 | Guerin | slimboy: delete the thing you just compiled, and apt-get install squid |
| 13:01.56 | karsten | shem: Get your replacement disk or make space on your network to copy data. Local copy will happen a lot faster than over-the-wire. |
| 13:01.59 | slimboy | i use lfs |
| 13:02.06 | peterS | slimboy: then don't ask questions in #debian |
| 13:02.09 | slimboy | i don't have debian <Guerin> |
| 13:02.09 | peterS | slimboy: Debian isn't LFS |
| 13:02.10 | Guerin | slimboy: well, stop using it and use debian. |
| 13:02.14 | greycat | slimboy: then go away. |
| 13:02.16 | resiak | slimboy: Then why are you here? |
| 13:02.21 | karsten | shem: ...and figure out which data you need most. Copy that first. System may only live for a short time before it goes south permanently. |
| 13:02.26 | karsten | shem: ...then worry about RMAing it. |
| 13:02.31 | slimboy | i need a few help |
| 13:02.37 | andrewtaylor_ | Hi, this may be a stupid question, is there anyway I can capture a radiostream (windows media format) from Linux, I don't need to listen to it, I just want to record it everyday for playback later |
| 13:02.40 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 13:02.42 | slimboy | let's pretend i have debian then |
| 13:02.46 | slimboy | i need to use apt-get |
| 13:02.52 | peterS | slimboy: yep. apt-get install squid |
| 13:02.53 | *** kick/#debian [slimboy!rfc1413@wooledge.org] by greycat (Go ask #lfs or #squid, moron.) |
| 13:02.53 | andrewtaylor_ | s/from/using |
| 13:03.00 | resiak | andrewtaylor_: apt-cache show streamripper ? |
| 13:03.01 | darkness | Will debian be compatible with 64bit processors? |
| 13:03.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 13:03.09 | resiak | !amd64 |
| 13:03.09 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 13:03.12 | shem | Karten: ok, but I will need to recover the data first. any recommendation on a rescue floppy? tried debian's using rawrite2, kill 2 floppies already with error "Address Mark not found"- runnning in Windows XP |
| 13:03.13 | karsten | darkness: Yes. |
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| 13:03.15 | greycat | darkness: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 13:03.15 | peterS | darkness: debian has been compatible with 64-bit processors for many years |
| 13:03.16 | Guerin | slimboy: lfs = "i am already a legand and I can do this all by myself" or "I want to torture myself for weeks just getting a base system up and running." Which are you? |
| 13:03.21 | andrewtaylor_ | resiak - will that do windows media ? |
| 13:03.25 | slimboy | hey greycat |
| 13:03.28 | resiak | andrewtaylor_: NFI. Try it and see! |
| 13:03.32 | karsten | slimboy: #lfs or #squid |
| 13:03.36 | resiak | !tell neiljp -about away |
| 13:03.40 | peterS | darkness: it supported alpha processors many years ago, and sparcv9 processors some time after that. other 64-bit processors are not so well supported |
| 13:03.40 | slimboy | i can';t use apt-get ok |
| 13:03.46 | peterS | slimboy: then go away |
| 13:03.52 | karsten | !tell shem about bootable distros |
| 13:03.53 | peterS | slimboy: if you were using debian, we could help you. since you aren't, we can't |
| 13:03.54 | slimboy | bcoz i need more option in configure |
| 13:04.00 | Guerin | slimboy: yes you can. Just install debian. |
| 13:04.04 | asg | slimboy: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 13:04.05 | Guerin | !d-i slimboy |
| 13:04.06 | dpkg | slimboy, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 13:04.10 | resiak | slimboy: Either install Debian, or /part . |
| 13:04.14 | karsten | shem: My own preferences are lnx-bbc, knoppix, and tomsrtbt, in about that order. |
| 13:04.28 | slimboy | ok i will install debian |
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| 13:04.29 | andrewtaylor_ | i don't have steamripper, is from another source ? |
| 13:04.35 | slimboy | no problem i have knoppix |
| 13:04.41 | Guerin | andrewtaylor_: should be in plain sarge. |
| 13:04.43 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@194.146.155.68] by greycat |
| 13:04.47 | peterS | slimboy: then go join #knoppix and ask *them* how to install squid |
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| 13:04.58 | Guerin | crikey mate |
| 13:05.02 | Guerin | he was a goer |
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| 13:05.19 | neiljp | resiak: must be a new 'feature' in my client... |
| 13:05.26 | karsten | Guerin: Didna even have a chance to ask him for a date. |
| 13:05.27 | shem | Karsten: haven't tried lnx-bbc, had an old copy of knoppix. not sure if tomsrtbt will work, I had to install with linux kernel 2.6.x with Sarge |
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| 13:05.30 | peterS | Guerin: he actually asked an *on-topic* question in #perl. weird, huh? |
| 13:05.32 | vibronik | hi there, anyone knows a shorewall irc channel? |
| 13:05.41 | tarzeau | vibronik: #shorewall ? |
| 13:05.41 | karsten | shem: Old Knoppix is fine. |
| 13:05.42 | Guerin | peterS: freakshow |
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| 13:05.50 | tarzeau | karsten: how old? |
| 13:05.54 | vibronik | tarzeau no |
| 13:05.54 | peterS | Guerin: we still didn't like the question because the answer was too obvious from the docs. but at least it was on-topic |
| 13:06.02 | karsten | vibronik: /query chanserv list *shorewall* |
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| 13:06.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:06.11 | karsten | tarzeau: ?? |
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| 13:06.20 | tarzeau | karsten: shem: Old Knoppix is fine. |
| 13:06.26 | vibronik | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.36 | shem | Karsten: would pick up sata hard disk? |
| 13:06.37 | vibronik | f£ck |
| 13:06.37 | karsten | tarzeau: Anything 2.4 based or better. |
| 13:06.40 | Guerin | lfs as a n00b is like learning to box with mike tyson |
| 13:07.00 | karsten | shem: Hrm. Should. What version of Knoppix? |
| 13:07.09 | andrewtaylor_ | streamripper just does mp3 and ogg |
| 13:07.14 | andrewtaylor_ | i thought it would be a longshot |
| 13:07.16 | resiak | andrewtaylor_: mplayer ? |
| 13:07.36 | karsten | Guerin: IMO learning to eat sushi with would be more appropos. |
| 13:07.43 | karsten | Guerin: ...somebody's going to lose an ear. |
| 13:08.00 | Guerin | ah, sushi |
| 13:08.05 | shem | Karsten: I have got knoppix 3.3 |
| 13:08.29 | Guerin | you'd think being less than 1000km from japan and china would mean I could get great sushi and chinese here |
| 13:08.33 | Guerin | but it ain't so |
| 13:08.36 | karsten | shem: Should be OK with that. |
| 13:08.41 | shem | ok. |
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| 13:08.48 | karsten | Guerin: They eat Chinese in Korea? |
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| 13:09.02 | Guerin | karsten: not really. |
| 13:09.03 | karsten | Guerin: Isn't that cannibalism? |
| 13:09.09 | dsf | hey |
| 13:09.12 | Guerin | not what I know to be chinese, anyway. |
| 13:09.12 | directhex|work | !crabpastesmite Guerin |
| 13:09.28 | andrewtaylor_ | yeah mplayer looks ok actually |
| 13:09.29 | Guerin | karsten: ba-doomp. |
| 13:09.31 | sdfsdf | hm |
| 13:09.46 | peterS | karsten: he said he couldn't "get great chinese here". nothing about food. if you want to be a pedant, go all the way |
| 13:09.46 | Guerin | sdfsdf: don't fucking df me |
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| 13:09.52 | directhex|work | andrewtaylor_, mimms will download streaming mms:// windows media files |
| 13:09.54 | karsten | Guerin: </rimshot style=chopstick"> |
| 13:09.54 | shem | Karsten : I will give it an hour or so and try booting up again. any what I should look for in dmesg? |
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| 13:10.13 | jm_ | mplayer can also save streams to a file |
| 13:10.19 | karsten | shem: CRC errors, drive seek errors. Sec. |
| 13:10.32 | karsten | shem: hda: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 13:10.38 | karsten | shem: ...that would be very ungood. |
| 13:10.45 | quitte | is there a way to download a package with apt-get to the current dir as a user? |
| 13:10.54 | jm_ | quitte: yes, with aptitude |
| 13:11.01 | vibronik | shem, your hdd suffers fom heat? |
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| 13:11.25 | jm_ | quite;but that downloads the deb file, I suppose that's what you want |
| 13:11.27 | asg | quitte: you could always just wget the deb from your favorite mirror snapshot.debian.net |
| 13:11.31 | shem | karsten : I tried damn small linux 1.1, SystemRescueCD to no avail. nothing comes remotely close to resembling a hard drive. |
| 13:11.32 | karsten | shem: ...especially lots of 'em. |
| 13:11.39 | quitte | jm_ ok thanks. want to tell me the command - im to ill to look it up in the help ;) |
| 13:11.52 | karsten | shem: OK. Look for HD dectction lines, stuff like: |
| 13:12.00 | darkness | How can debian be secure if it allows users to download stuff to the current dir? |
| 13:12.01 | jm_ | quitte: aptitude help |
| 13:12.04 | lind^ | shem: Look to boot messages also. |
| 13:12.10 | karsten | shem: hda: ST33210A, ATA DISK drive |
| 13:12.18 | Guerin | darkness: what a stupid question. |
| 13:12.24 | Dull4o4 | Hey, my mouse is on speed.. how can i make it go slower? like reset hw-speed or something.... never had that problem before |
| 13:12.30 | shem | Karsten : I tried the Dell's diagnostic software, it reported disk error. |
| 13:12.31 | karsten | shem: ...stuff like that. Will indicate the drive is being detected. Not sure what you need specifically for SHA. |
| 13:12.34 | Mage\work | I've a strange message on my box : May 17 15:11:13 localhost ate1 [local] authentication: nss_ldap: reconnecting to LDAP server... What is this "ate1" service ... ? |
| 13:12.36 | lind^ | darkness: What do u mean? |
| 13:12.38 | karsten | shem: There you go. |
| 13:12.40 | asg | Dull4o4: man xset |
| 13:12.42 | directhex|work | Dull4o4, what mouse? |
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| 13:12.49 | Dull4o4 | asg, thanks |
| 13:12.54 | karsten | shem: I wouldn't spend too much time looking for that evidence, I'd get my data off *first*. |
| 13:12.59 | Dull4o4 | directhex|work, ps2 mouse |
| 13:12.59 | giupy | wich is better choose of filesytem for root partition do you think ? |
| 13:13.09 | peterS | !filesystems |
| 13:13.10 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 13:13.14 | Guerin | darkness: really, you get "Worst Troll" award for this week. |
| 13:13.19 | karsten | !tell shem about sata |
| 13:13.20 | lind^ | ext3 |
| 13:13.23 | karsten | shem: ...read those links. |
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| 13:13.25 | shem | Karsten : can't get my data off if I can't access the drive. thats the catch. |
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| 13:13.28 | asg | Dull4o4: if this is a 2.6 kernel (and you just started using a 2.6 kernel and got this behaviour), try removing one of the mouse definitions in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 13:13.33 | giupy | karsten, well thanks |
| 13:13.36 | karsten | shem: Indeed. |
| 13:13.39 | karsten | giupy: NP |
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| 13:14.12 | Guerin | giupy: bear in mind also that grub has trouble booting off XFS; if you choose that, you want an ext /boot partition |
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| 13:14.23 | darkness | Well Guerin say your on a network and you set permissions do you really want a user to be able to download god know what? |
| 13:14.36 | Dull4o4 | asg, been using 2.6 kernel all the time, but sometimes xorg, and sometimes xfree86.... hm.. remove definition |
| 13:14.37 | Guerin | darkness: how can you prevent it? |
| 13:14.38 | Devil_Kin | hey all, is there any reason why it takes om to 10 secs before udev reacts to a hotplug event? |
| 13:15.00 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: because it sometimes takes that long for device to be fully detected |
| 13:15.08 | lind^ | darkness: Can u download something that can brake that secure as a normal user |
| 13:15.15 | andrewtaylor_ | thanks that's two great options, mplayer and mimms, I would have thought it wasn't possible to grab a windows stream but I suppose it's all just 1's and 0's in the end. Makes sense. Just need to upgrade to sarge now so I can apt-get one of them |
| 13:15.20 | giupy | Guerin, yes i now that prob |
| 13:15.22 | shem | karsten : strange it was working until a reboot. |
| 13:15.23 | giupy | i don't like grub :) |
| 13:15.39 | karsten | shem: Did you upgrade kernel? |
| 13:15.40 | Devil_Kin | jm_: hmm. okay. any way you can 'wait' for that to happen? i'm trying to get my ipw working through ifup with udev reassigning to eth1.. currently i inserted a pre-up with 10s sleep, but it's crappy ;p |
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| 13:15.48 | shem | not that I know of. |
| 13:16.00 | shem | karsten: I just did apt-get update |
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| 13:16.39 | Guerin | darkness: the point is that $user can only write the places you let him. So he can effectively download hax0r.exe only to his own dirs, and possibly places like /tmp. |
| 13:16.53 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: you can do the same as udev does, check for a file to appear somewhere in sys IIRC |
| 13:17.01 | jm_ | /sys that is |
| 13:17.15 | Devil_Kin | jm_: is that scriptable through ifupdown? |
| 13:17.16 | darkness | Yeah but that guy said the current dir which i assumed what he was saying was the root dir. |
| 13:17.20 | lind^ | Do u know anything about dhcp. All my configs where lost and I'm trying to make new one. |
| 13:17.36 | vibronik | shem: perhaps your problem is not system-related but hardware related, i had such errors on disks one day, they were too hot (try hddtemp) |
| 13:17.39 | resiak | darkness: Current != / in general... |
| 13:17.42 | Guerin | darkness: try it and see. |
| 13:17.44 | resiak | Damn, I bit the troll. |
| 13:17.51 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: not that I know - doesn't udev let you run something after device is up and running? I am only familiar with hotplug |
| 13:18.00 | lind^ | I'm trying to share the internet connection to eth1 |
| 13:18.01 | vibronik | shem: above 45°c ... |
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| 13:18.16 | Guerin | darkness: ANYTHING can download to the 'current directory', but ONLY if the process has permission to write there. |
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| 13:18.30 | darkness | Guerin, art of war = i'm off to learn my shit before arguing any more :-) |
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| 13:18.38 | Guerin | darkness: wise :) |
| 13:18.48 | Guerin | darkness: info coreutils chown and chmod :) |
| 13:18.48 | Devil_Kin | jm_: no idea, i'm still in the learning stages of udev ;p i'll search some more and let you know |
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| 13:19.03 | darkness | Tks Guerin. |
| 13:19.06 | wwallace | hello to the brains of #debian |
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| 13:19.15 | lind^ | darkness :D |
| 13:19.16 | Confusioner | hello guys, |
| 13:19.20 | lind^ | hi |
| 13:19.23 | Confusioner | i really need help |
| 13:19.30 | resiak | !tell Confusioner -about ask |
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| 13:19.47 | Guerin | bedtime for I and I |
| 13:19.48 | Dull4o4 | asg, oh there are two mouse defenitions in XF86Config-4 ... |
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| 13:19.59 | wwallace | quite an impressive ban list the biggest i ever seen |
| 13:20.07 | wwallace | u must be proud |
| 13:20.09 | estel | hi, is there a more recent version of perl-tk for debian? |
| 13:20.10 | Guerin | wwallace: it got cleaned out a few days ago |
| 13:20.33 | Guerin | estel: no, the most recent version in debian is the most recent one we have for debian |
| 13:20.35 | asg | Dull4o4: yeah, I've noticed quirky behavior if both are defined (at least with 2.6 kernels.) Try commenting one or the other and see if that slows things down a bit. |
| 13:20.47 | karsten | wwallace: Looking to extend it? |
| 13:20.53 | wwallace | no thanks |
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| 13:20.54 | Dull4o4 | asg, I will, thanks dude =) |
| 13:21.00 | wwallace | not this time |
| 13:21.17 | estel | Guerin: no possibility to get a more recent one from other repositories? |
| 13:21.52 | Guerin | estel: without specifying which version is too old, that question is impossible to answer. |
| 13:21.53 | resiak | estel: If you do, you're on your own. |
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| 13:22.41 | Confusioner | when I type startx xandros says "fatal error connection reser by peer on X server ":0.0" |
| 13:22.47 | TheDuck | okay so where exactly am I supposed to paste the modelines of my monitor? |
| 13:22.50 | Guerin | Confusioner: ok. what does debian say? |
| 13:22.52 | TheDuck | in the xfree config |
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| 13:23.06 | estel | Guerin: I'm looking for a more recent version than 800.025-2 |
| 13:23.18 | Guerin | TheDuck: don't hack on the xfree config yourself. /msg dpkg set up x and hwinfo |
| 13:23.23 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: how is udev involved in this at all? |
| 13:23.27 | Guerin | !info perl-tk |
| 13:23.32 | dpkg | perl-tk: (Perl module providing the Tk graphics library.), section perl, is optional. Version: 1:800.025-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2388 kB, Installed size: 8432 kB |
| 13:23.50 | peterS | TheDuck: if you must, it's in Section "Screen" |
| 13:23.51 | Dull4o4 | TheDuck, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 :P |
| 13:24.01 | Guerin | estel: try apt-get.org, or look at building upstream source with checkinstall. |
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| 13:24.11 | peterS | TheDuck: can't remember if it's under SubSection "display" or not |
| 13:24.21 | estel | Guerin: thx |
| 13:24.21 | Devil_Kin | jm_ i use a udev rule to 'rename' my eth0 to eth1 |
| 13:24.29 | Devil_Kin | so that my wireless is always eth1 |
| 13:24.40 | TheDuck | Guerin: I had a good self-hacked config file what worked (atleast for me), but I formatted my drive last week and forgot to backup it :P |
| 13:24.48 | Devil_Kin | jm_: but that causes problems if i do ifup eth1; it can't find the device if i don't install the timeout |
| 13:24.51 | Guerin | TheDuck: ... |
| 13:25.30 | peterS | TheDuck: oooh, I got it wrong. put them in Section "monitor" |
| 13:25.43 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: ahh so maybe do it via hotplug then? |
| 13:26.08 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: that's what I do with USB stick - sleep foo; then mount it |
| 13:26.16 | shem | vibronik : ok, not sure why though. we are in the middle of autumn here. and it has been quite cool. |
| 13:26.22 | Devil_Kin | jm_: a hotplug script? or.. |
| 13:26.35 | Devil_Kin | jm_: ihave no idea about hotplug, haven't really looked at it |
| 13:27.20 | TheDuck | peterS: actually I think I did, somehow they "just don't work" |
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| 13:27.41 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: yup, hotplug can run commands for you, in my case it runs it when I insert the stick - you just put the script in /etc/hotplug.d (IIRC), named after the module that gets loaded with it (so usb-storage for me) and it will run it |
| 13:27.47 | TheDuck | my own stupidity, I'm sure |
| 13:28.11 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: I lied, I have it in /etc/hotplug/usb ;) |
| 13:28.45 | peterS | TheDuck: having a modeline in the monitor section does not allow the server to *use* that mode, if it exceeds the HorizSync or VertRefresh parameters for the same monitor. make sure those are correct |
| 13:29.09 | jm_ | Devil_Kin: that's basically also how udev is tied to hotplug AFAIK, but I don't know details |
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| 13:30.10 | Devil_Kin | jm_: okay :) i'll look into it |
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| 13:31.39 | shem | thanks guys for your help. I will turn in for now and check it in the morning. cheers. |
| 13:31.48 | kokoko1 | sorry, but want to know why my sound channel always on muted after restart? |
| 13:32.02 | jm_ | because that's how ALSA works |
| 13:32.19 | kokoko1 | on slacky there was suppose to be utlity alsamixer , |
| 13:32.27 | jm_ | it's in Debian too |
| 13:32.40 | kokoko1 | hmm i cant find one :) |
| 13:32.41 | peterS | kokoko1: install the 'alsa-utils' package |
| 13:32.48 | jm_ | kokoko1: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:33.39 | kokoko1 | aha cool, |
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| 13:37.43 | Zenox | How many processors and how much memory can be used with kernel 2.6? |
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| 13:37.57 | peterS | Zenox: depends on your hardware architecture |
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| 13:38.11 | peterS | Zenox: if you really want to push the limits, you'll be using an SGI Altix with 64 CPUs and lots of gigabytes of memory |
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| 13:38.31 | karsten | WINE rocks. |
| 13:38.39 | K_Dallas | Why is gnome stacking up icons on the desktop? Is there a fix for that? Thanks |
| 13:38.48 | karsten | So I wanted to check out Xming as an X server ... |
| 13:39.06 | karsten | ...and decided to see how well it would run through the install. |
| 13:39.22 | peterS | Zenox: without SGI patches I'm not sure the kernel scales past 32 CPUs though. and on 32-bit architectures it doesn't do well past 4 GB of memory - though this is mainly a hardware limitation, not a kernel one |
| 13:39.29 | bowman | anyone in here using Nessus? |
| 13:39.54 | asg | bowman: the tool or the Country Sausage? |
| 13:40.07 | Zenox | peterS: okay, thanks for the input. great to know it's mainly an hardware limitation :) |
| 13:40.07 | bowman | asg: the security auditing thingie ;) |
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| 13:40.38 | asg | bowman: I'm sure some people are, what's you question. |
| 13:41.20 | peterS | Zenox: yeah, you're spending pretty large amounts of cash to get past about 8 CPUs of any architecture. Linux will handle 24 or more CPUs but you probably will need patches to make it work *well* |
| 13:41.20 | bowman | asg: I can't manage to get the full plugin feed working with registration, the plugin update tool mocks about being unable to parse the HTTP reply and I can't seem to get it done manually. |
| 13:41.45 | directhex|work | peterS, dual core 8-socket opterons? or doesn't dual core count |
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| 13:41.59 | peterS | directhex|work: there exist dual-core opterons now? |
| 13:42.06 | kokoko1 | alsaconf |
| 13:42.06 | kokoko1 | modinfo: could not find module snd |
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| 13:42.15 | kokoko1 | Unloading ALSA sound driver modules:. |
| 13:42.15 | kokoko1 | Building card database... |
| 13:42.22 | streuner | What kernel do you have? |
| 13:42.36 | kokoko1 | streuner,2.6.11.9 |
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| 13:42.52 | directhex|work | peterS, sure. you can get a 8xdualcore opteron for "21k plus vat, today, if you like. 5U. |
| 13:42.54 | streuner | custom? |
| 13:42.57 | kokoko1 | yep |
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| 13:43.09 | priest | has the start on security updates on sarge being delayed? |
| 13:43.21 | streuner | kokoko1: so why not just use an official kernel image? |
| 13:43.32 | peterS | directhex|work: nice. I wonder if 2.6 kernels support 16 CPUs of amd64 smoothly, out of the box. I imagine the Debian compile doesn't |
| 13:43.32 | streuner | priest: why? |
| 13:43.49 | priest | streuner: there is no security updates yet? |
| 13:44.04 | kokoko1 | streuner, its my box and that's all linux for :) |
| 13:44.21 | streuner | priest: Release-Team and Security-Team have a lot of work to solve RC-bugs... |
| 13:44.30 | kokoko1 | so where to find the alsamodule coz i can't find it via apt-cache |
| 13:44.31 | takatumi | kokoko1: sure you marked those as modules in you config? |
| 13:44.41 | kokoko1 | takatumi, "*" |
| 13:44.54 | takatumi | kokoko1: then you don't need to load them. |
| 13:44.56 | streuner | priest: if there is a know issue, security team upload it to security.d.o |
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| 13:45.20 | priest | streuner: firefox isn't fixed yet in sarge, either gaim. |
| 13:45.27 | takatumi | kokoko1: install alsa-base and alsa-utils, run alsamixer to unmute. |
| 13:45.27 | peterS | kokoko1: if you compiled the kernel yourself, there will be *no* modules available via apt. |
| 13:45.30 | kokoko1 | takatumi, yep but problem is that alsaconf can''t find any card on the board |
| 13:45.34 | greycat | !info libxpm4 sarge |
| 13:45.35 | streuner | priest: firefox is only 2-3 day in sid |
| 13:45.39 | takatumi | kokoko1: doesn't matter. |
| 13:45.39 | dpkg | libxpm4: (X pixmap library), section libs, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 187 kB, Installed size: 328 kB |
| 13:45.44 | streuner | s/day/days/ |
| 13:45.47 | directhex|work | peterS, what do i look for in .config? |
| 13:45.50 | Dull4o4 | asg, I did comment it out, but then X said "no screens found" .... that's strange :/ |
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| 13:45.54 | kokoko1 | aha oki only alsamixer things right?::) |
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| 13:46.08 | priest | streuner: 2-3 days what? |
| 13:46.12 | john | if I tried to open a program in X.. and it failed.. where can I read the logs of the failed program and try to learn why.. and how to fix that certain problem |
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| 13:46.23 | peterS | directhex|work: hmmmm. hold on a sec |
| 13:46.27 | takatumi | kokoko1: or any mixer, alsamixer is part of the alsa-utils package. |
| 13:46.31 | JohnFlux | If my computer stops working, how do I know if its the mobo or the cpu that's broke? :) |
| 13:46.32 | priest | john: start it in a console |
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| 13:46.45 | peterS | directhex|work: CONFIG_NR_CPUS |
| 13:47.01 | JohnFlux | priest: .... |
| 13:47.21 | giupy | i ahve precompiled kernel 2.6.10-686 and my audio goes but i can't use the mixer, if i launch nmixer and try to make volume "-" pcm or volume nothing appends, if i try toggle pcm, audio stop it, do i need something other in the modules loaded by the kernel ? |
| 13:47.26 | asg | Dull4o4: try commenting '#InputDevice "Configured Mouse"' in the 'ServerLayout' section (it's near the bottom) |
| 13:47.37 | dmzz | how can I slow down my mouse (xset m 1 0 is too fast !!) ? I'm using KDE... |
| 13:47.38 | kokoko1 | takatumi, oki done then "alsactl store" oki? |
| 13:47.40 | Pappa | x-window-system-core updates? finally x.org? |
| 13:47.49 | priest | JohnFlux: it could also be the power cable ;) |
| 13:47.50 | kokoko1 | for the next reboot |
| 13:47.54 | directhex|work | peterS, poop, i'm not on an smp kernel. let me install one. |
| 13:48.03 | Dull4o4 | asg, only that "one" line? |
| 13:48.10 | asg | Dull4o4: only that one line |
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| 13:48.17 | takatumi | kokoko1: alsamixer saves the mixer setting for me, never had to run that yet. |
| 13:48.27 | Dull4o4 | asg, oh i did the entire section :/ |
| 13:48.31 | peterS | directhex|work: you could just download it, then use dpkg-deb -x to pull out boot/config-2.6.whatever |
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| 13:48.35 | streuner | Pappa: after sarge is released, xorg goes into debian |
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| 13:48.54 | takatumi | streuner: heard it might hit experimental before that. |
| 13:48.54 | directhex|work | peterS, may as well just install it & uninstall it, i'm not busy |
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| 13:49.00 | peterS | directhex|work: but I suppose the download time is the only important thing here.. |
| 13:49.08 | streuner | takatumi: URL? |
| 13:49.22 | takatumi | streuner: nada |
| 13:49.27 | hoe | hi, how can apt-cache search in those one-line pkg's comment only? |
| 13:49.29 | streuner | hm |
| 13:49.32 | directhex|work | peterS, handily, there's a mirror within ox.ac.uk |
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| 13:49.38 | peterS | heh, ok |
| 13:49.42 | jahi | Hi, whats the name of the "GTK devel packages"? |
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| 13:50.01 | streuner | jahi: apt-cache search gtk devel? |
| 13:50.01 | peterS | jahi: libgtk2.0-dev |
| 13:50.02 | directhex|work | CONFIG_NR_CPUS=8 |
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| 13:50.19 | jahi | thx |
| 13:50.26 | peterS | directhex|work: that's the default value for i386. probably also for amd64. and the debian maintainers didn't change it |
| 13:50.37 | directhex|work | peterS, reportbug! |
| 13:50.40 | karsten | May 17 06:41:36 localhost kernel: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 0 channel 0 id 8 lun 0 |
| 13:51.02 | hoe | jahi: apt-cache search --names-only gtk dev would be prob. more convenient |
| 13:51.11 | peterS | directhex|work: maybe there's need for yet another kernel flavour - kernel-image-2.6.N-N-k8-madsmp |
| 13:51.12 | karsten | ...any way to get the device back online? CDRW drive, using hdc=ide-scsi option. |
| 13:51.41 | directhex|work | peterS, kernel-image-2.6.N-N-amd64-k8-reallyexpensive ? |
| 13:51.41 | streuner | karsten: *cough* reboot *cough* |
| 13:51.50 | peterS | directhex|work: or that |
| 13:51.52 | john | how long until the newer versions of things.. such as.. xchat/gaim and such, are added into the apt-get depository? |
| 13:51.55 | karsten | streuner: Gah. |
| 13:52.34 | streuner | karsten: there are issues in ide-scsi for 2.6.x kernels, i know... |
| 13:52.41 | karsten | streuner: Gah. |
| 13:52.48 | streuner | hehe |
| 13:52.52 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.54 | karsten | <sob> |
| 13:53.10 | streuner | 144 users? |
| 13:53.16 | takatumi | you don't need the hdc=ide-scsi line for 2.6 kernels. |
| 13:53.19 | karsten | streuner: There's a lot of me. |
| 13:53.20 | peterS | streuner: he loves his xterms |
| 13:53.31 | karsten | peterS: ...and screen sessions. |
| 13:53.32 | john | lol |
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| 13:54.34 | IDC | is it truth that shm has a RAM limitation ? |
| 13:54.48 | directhex|work | hm? |
| 13:54.49 | peterS | IDC: the M in SHM stands for "memory" |
| 13:55.03 | RichiH | !shm |
| 13:55.03 | dpkg | somebody said shm was simple harmonic motion, avoid at all costs, or known as mit-shm (ask me about it ...) |
| 13:55.10 | RichiH | heh |
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| 13:55.56 | asg | directhex|work: it still won't improve things |
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| 13:56.10 | karsten | streuner: So I'm trying to remove modules in an vain attempt to free up that device. Frozen terminal... |
| 13:56.13 | peterS | directhex|work: me! me! do me next! |
| 13:56.19 | JohnFlux | !mit-shm |
| 13:56.19 | dpkg | somebody said mit-shm was different in the >2.3.50 kernels. Add the line 'none /var/shm shm defaults 0 0' to your /etc/fstab. Also try 'mount -t shm shm /var/shm' for a quick fix. |
| 13:56.24 | directhex|work | peterS, you don't want to be ultrasparced, trust me ¬_¬ |
| 13:56.32 | IDC | peterS, I am using mmcache <sorta thing like Zend accelerator>,in php.ini i have already specified let it use all avaialble System ram as 'mmcache.shm_size="0"',but in the control pannel,i am seeing the this 'Memory Size 33,554,396 Bytes 'while i have totaly 320MB physic ram |
| 13:56.43 | peterS | directhex|work: I could find a use for the 48 GB of PC100, somehow |
| 13:57.02 | john | Wow, I'm coming with alot of questions. How can you echo something to a certain user.. say on.. pts/3 |
| 13:57.07 | Dull4o4 | asg, yey! it works.. i commented out Generic Mouse. in section "ServerLayout" .. now it works perfect :P |
| 13:57.12 | asg | john: write |
| 13:57.16 | streuner | karsten: according to my experience if you have an issue with ide-scsi you are fscked... |
| 13:57.19 | asg | Dull4o4: excellent. |
| 13:57.25 | IDC | petemc, it only uses 32MB system ram for shareing to do cache thing ..hmm |
| 13:57.27 | blafard | my system appears not to be logging. I've restarted klogd and syslogd manually and that doesn't help. chkrootkit also doesn't do anything. I haven't touched syslog.conf. Can anyone help me please? |
| 13:57.29 | IDC | petemc, sorry,wrong person |
| 13:57.38 | karsten | streuner: So I can kill the ide-scsi line in GRUB? |
| 13:57.43 | Dull4o4 | asg, thanks dude :P |
| 13:57.43 | peterS | IDC: maybe you should have mentioned before that you were not asking about shm, but really asking about PHP configuration |
| 13:57.54 | streuner | karsten *shrug* |
| 13:57.58 | john | asg: Thank you :) |
| 13:58.00 | asg | Dull4o4: you're welcome |
| 13:58.02 | gothtec | Are there any codec packages available for mplayer? |
| 13:58.09 | IDC | peterS, I was asking in another channel they told me shm does have an issue in 'Memory Limitation',that it only uses 32MB is the maxiume |
| 13:58.11 | directhex|work | gothtec, w32codecs, it's on marillat |
| 13:58.14 | jethro | !tell gothtec -about marillat |
| 13:58.16 | asg | john: also, 'echo foo > /dev/pts/X' works too (but is more invasive than write(1)) |
| 13:58.19 | streuner | gothtec: marillat |
| 13:58.23 | gothtec | Thanks |
| 13:58.35 | streuner | w32codecs |
| 13:58.36 | hoe | how can I apt-cache search in those one-line pkg's comments only? when I want list and consequently compare all avail. network monitors this'd be fine |
| 13:58.40 | IDC | peterS, I thought that truely is related to shm but not php ? |
| 13:58.49 | karsten | streuner: It's not necessary? It's counterproductive? My understaning in 2.4 was that it was markedly faster than native ATAPI (sp?) access. |
| 13:58.50 | peterS | IDC: "shm" is a very vague term. please specify which type of shm your php process is using |
| 13:59.27 | IDC | hmm |
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| 13:59.39 | IDC | I have no idea |
| 13:59.39 | jethro | hoe: that's the default. |
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| 13:59.49 | peterS | IDC: POSIX shm doesn't have any limitations AFAIK. however, System V shared memory segments can only be 32 MB each, by default |
| 14:00.05 | peterS | IDC: set kernel.shmmax in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 14:00.15 | IDC | peterS, please wait |
| 14:00.16 | hoe | aah, grep it then, brain lock from the flu |
| 14:00.31 | hoe | jethro: no, the default is to search through the long desripsions |
| 14:00.39 | jethro | hoe: man apt-cache /--names-only |
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| 14:00.55 | IDC | peterS, there no itmes are available |
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| 14:00.57 | hoe | jethro: that searches only pkg names :) |
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| 14:01.09 | Sambo123 | hi all |
| 14:01.13 | Sambo123 | how are you all doing? |
| 14:01.13 | john | priest: Are you there? |
| 14:01.14 | IDC | peterS, all items in sysctl.conf are commented |
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| 14:01.49 | hoe | jethro: `apt-cache search network monitor | grep -E 'network.*monitor'` :) |
| 14:01.51 | IDC | #kernel.domainname = example.com |
| 14:01.53 | IDC | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.55 | jethro | hoe: no it doesn't. it searches both the name, and the short description |
| 14:01.57 | Sambo123 | anyone have any idea how I can do a network install of debian 3.0 through a nt4 domain? |
| 14:02.13 | peterS | IDC: I said, set kernel.shmmax in sysctl.conf. it defaults to 33554432. |
| 14:02.15 | hoe | jethro: it gives me no results |
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| 14:02.23 | IDC | peterS, oh,sorry,didnt notice you ve told me to,let me do it |
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| 14:02.37 | peterS | IDC: if you're worried about running out of shm *segments*, set kernel.shmmni in sysctl.conf. it defaults to 4096 segments, which is quite a few |
| 14:02.40 | hoe | jethro: it just searches what it says, only the pkg names |
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| 14:02.51 | Sambo123 | i dont think its possible |
| 14:02.56 | Sambo123 | as i need to have samba installed |
| 14:02.57 | priest | john: yes |
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| 14:03.05 | Sambo123 | and by me doing this i need to get the base installed |
| 14:03.07 | pingpong | When making a debian package does the order of the Conflicts packages matter? |
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| 14:03.16 | IDC | peterS, hmm,i would like to use all available memeory,so just add kernel.shmmax ? |
| 14:03.28 | jethro | hoe: apt-cache search --names-only 'net.*mon' |
| 14:03.44 | peterS | IDC: I don't know that you want to use *all* memory just for shm segments. but do as you will. |
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| 14:03.50 | jethro | hoe: don't waste my time if you don't want to listen to answers |
| 14:03.59 | cha0xm1nd | hi... i just installed Debian 3 and my KDE dont work... how do i update? |
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| 14:04.14 | peterS | IDC: to refresh the kernel from sysctl.conf: /etc/init.d/procps.sh start |
| 14:04.24 | IDC | peterS, hmm excuse me,or from there i can specify a preferred size for it ? |
| 14:04.34 | hoe | jethro: I don't think every avail. net.*mon will use this pile of chars in its pkg name;; really sorry, I was just trying to got the perfect solution |
| 14:04.42 | IDC | peterS, i will do that |
| 14:04.43 | Sambo123 | does anyone have any dieas? |
| 14:04.49 | ruied | I've installed vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686 kernel, now I just reach to a grub prompt. the system doesn't start. I have /boot in /dev/hda1 and / in dev/hda2 . What shall I do? |
| 14:04.51 | peterS | IDC: preferred size? I have no idea what you mean. the kernel doesn't enforce a "preferred size", it enforces a limit |
| 14:05.06 | DoppelGanger | cha0xm1nd: how do you know it doesn't work |
| 14:05.07 | jethro | hoe: well that's how you search for a pattern in the package name and the short description. |
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| 14:05.26 | IDC | oh ..i mean is there an alternative other than 32MB besides 4MB ? |
| 14:05.38 | peterS | petemc: probably not, it was for me |
| 14:05.41 | petemc | :) |
| 14:05.41 | cha0xm1nd | DoppelGanger it won't log in... |
| 14:05.49 | peterS | petemc: actually, dunno, maybe you've gotten some interesting messages too |
| 14:05.55 | Sambo123 | ?? |
| 14:06.03 | jethro | hoe: if you're not happy with this, file a bug against each and every package not easily findable with a simple search pattern. and waste somebody else's time |
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| 14:06.25 | DoppelGanger | cha0xm1nd: did you forget your passwd and did you configure X |
| 14:06.39 | Sambo123 | ? |
| 14:06.52 | ruied | can anyone help me? debian doesn't boot, I get a grub boot prompt! what can I do ? |
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| 14:07.06 | cha0xm1nd | Doppelganger i remembered my pass, but i didn't configure X |
| 14:07.10 | IDC | kernel.shmmni for having 4096 limites,here 4096 aka ? |
| 14:07.26 | DoppelGanger | might wanna try tht |
| 14:07.41 | peterS | IDC: how many shm segments do you need? did you run out of them? |
| 14:07.43 | DoppelGanger | and make sure you installed kde properly, see aptitude for that |
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| 14:07.47 | cha0xm1nd | Doppelganger but i want to update it anyhow |
| 14:07.52 | Sambo123 | hello? |
| 14:07.56 | peterS | IDC: 4096 segments of 32 MB each is quite a lot of shared memory |
| 14:07.57 | Sambo123 | can anyone see this? |
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| 14:08.06 | asg | ruied: http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/grubrestore/ |
| 14:08.09 | DoppelGanger | cha0xm1nd: then update your database via aptitude or apt-get |
| 14:08.18 | DoppelGanger | then see if there are any updates for it |
| 14:08.23 | jethro | join us now and share the memory |
| 14:08.30 | peterS | !jethro++ |
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| 14:08.42 | jethro | heh |
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| 14:09.04 | ruied | asg: tx, going to check |
| 14:09.09 | IDC | segments ? |
| 14:09.21 | DoppelGanger | run ldconfig after updates to update libs |
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| 14:09.32 | DoppelGanger | just in case |
| 14:09.40 | cha0xm1nd | hmmm well maybe i ought to use Knoppix again :P |
| 14:09.43 | RichiH | asg: that howto specifies a bootsplash wich is a Bad Idea when someone is just making verbatim copies in the vain hope it might work |
| 14:09.52 | RichiH | (just pointing out, not saying you can change anything) |
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| 14:09.57 | IDC | peterS, right now due to the shm limites,mmcache only detects 32MB ram from 320MB physic ram to use to do caching thing |
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| 14:10.20 | IDC | peterS, my goal is let mmcache to recogonize all available ram |
| 14:10.22 | peterS | IDC: if it's only using one segment of shared memory, I doubt your 4096 segment limit is much of a problem |
| 14:10.24 | zignig | RichiH: bootsplash screens are a pain in the arse |
| 14:10.32 | IDC | even i have set it to use all in its configuration file |
| 14:10.48 | peterS | IDC: if you really want to know what shmmax and shmmni do, read 'man shmget' |
| 14:11.18 | peterS | IDC: look in the "NOTES" section. it explains those variables. |
| 14:11.23 | RichiH | zignig: they can be fun, but i would tend to agree that they are not worth the trouble |
| 14:11.28 | IDC | peterS, I see,thanks a lot :) i didn't know this sort of thing |
| 14:11.33 | IDC | brb,reading |
| 14:11.42 | zignig | RichiH: it took me ages but I made a cool one a while back. |
| 14:11.48 | RichiH | zignig: at least not until they support 1024*768*16 ;) |
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| 14:11.54 | zignig | RichiH: are you having any luck ? |
| 14:11.56 | RichiH | zignig: same here |
| 14:12.06 | DoppelGanger | cha0xm1nd: you could always do the stupid thing and run windows aka ubuntu |
| 14:12.14 | zignig | RichiH: heh, this one is smaller , and only 3 colors. |
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| 14:12.27 | zignig | RichiH: but it was worth it for my installer. |
| 14:12.52 | RichiH | zignig: i searched ages for a pictuh which would look neat with 16 colors, but in the end, i had a nice snowy mountain as splash |
| 14:13.01 | RichiH | but /me lost it *shrug* |
| 14:13.09 | zignig | RichiH: BLEH! |
| 14:13.13 | zignig | RichiH: never mind. |
| 14:13.25 | cha0xm1nd | DoppelGanger hehe well the whole purpose of me using Linux is NEVER to use Win again :-P |
| 14:14.04 | greycat | you could have achieved THAT by buying a Mac. |
| 14:14.15 | hoe | jethro: if you consider wasting your time my effort to explain you that --names-only ins't searching the way you think it is and it's not the solution to my question and then trying to find the solution and let you know about it, that's your attitude I can only tell you these words on |
| 14:14.18 | directhex|work | or a BeBox |
| 14:14.21 | greycat | you should (and must) use Linux because you *love Unix*, not because you hate Windows. Or you'll be miserable. |
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| 14:14.44 | jethro | hoe: why would I answer in the first place, if I werent sure that my answer is true? |
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| 14:15.06 | arca | anyone know the command line with ifconfig to add a virtual network interfaces ?? |
| 14:15.09 | JohnFlux | greycat: heretic. |
| 14:15.13 | K_Dallas | greycat, that is a compromise, i hate windows not because it is terrible but for other reasons and i also like linux ;) |
| 14:15.14 | jethro | hoe: you search the pkg name and short description with --names-only . fact. |
| 14:15.27 | directhex|work | i hate Unix. Solaris makes me sad. if Linux were Unix, there'd be Open Group fees to pay |
| 14:15.46 | hoe | jethro: try it and be surprised |
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| 14:16.04 | DoppelGanger | arca: i bet the manual does |
| 14:16.09 | jethro | hoe: I tried it even before I replied, to double check it. now please, really, shut up |
| 14:16.24 | miguens | I have bought a PowerEdge 800.. i have been tryed install debian sarge with kernel 2.6 but it don't have driver of my network car |
| 14:16.27 | miguens | card |
| 14:16.37 | asg | miguens: is it a tg3 broadcom? |
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| 14:16.50 | IDC | peterS, i added 'kernel.shmmni' without quotes in /etc/sysctl.conf,ran /etc/init.d/procps.sh start,it came out error messages "warning: /etc/sysctl.conf(7): invalid syntax, continuing..done' |
| 14:16.50 | miguens | my NIC is netxtreme |
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| 14:17.07 | miguens | is a broadcom netxtreme |
| 14:17.20 | directhex|work | broadcom, waving a flag for linux-hating corps everywhere |
| 14:17.21 | asg | miguens: well, my suggestion is to go and buy an intel e100. |
| 14:17.53 | IDC | i do 'man shmget' not found |
| 14:17.54 | peterS | IDC: what value did you set it to? |
| 14:18.03 | peterS | IDC: 'man shmget' is in the manpages-dev package |
| 14:18.21 | miguens | asg: are the another way? |
| 14:18.23 | asg | miguens: or compile a custom kernel (after installing using CD1) |
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| 14:18.33 | zignig | bleh! |
| 14:18.50 | IDC | peterS, hmmm,i didn't specify a value to it,i thought with kernel.shmmni it tells kerel to do the job automatically |
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| 14:19.03 | IDC | s/kerel/kernel |
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| 14:19.04 | directhex|work | asg, phone broadcom and complain that they're retards |
| 14:19.22 | asg | directhex|work: agreed. |
| 14:19.22 | miguens | asg: are there any site that i can get that driver |
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| 14:19.36 | asg | miguens: it's in the vanilla kernel, just not the debian one. |
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| 14:19.50 | IDC | peterS, here the value should be in kilybyte or in KB ? |
| 14:19.52 | miguens | asg: I know |
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| 14:19.57 | peterS | IDC: bytes |
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| 14:20.04 | DoppelGanger | he he then compile it |
| 14:20.06 | IDC | let me try |
| 14:20.06 | zignig | RichiH: http://sweb.cz/Frantisek.Rysanek/splash/isolinux-splash-HOWTO.html |
| 14:20.07 | directhex|work | miguens, see my above statement. |
| 14:20.08 | peterS | IDC: except shmmni which is unitless |
| 14:20.12 | asg | directhex|work: I'd also phone Dell and IBM and ask them to stop using crap also. At least Dell *used* to ship intel e100s. |
| 14:20.32 | DoppelGanger | dell is crap |
| 14:20.34 | IDC | huh ? |
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| 14:20.54 | directhex|work | asg, my new dell laptop has justworked(tm) fully, with ubuntu on it |
| 14:20.54 | darkness | Yeah doppelganger get a mac :-) |
| 14:21.00 | DoppelGanger | sos ibm |
| 14:21.00 | andrewtaylor_ | my apt-get dist-upgrade has stopped no error messages, i've re-issued the command and I get no changes to be made. How can I check the upgrade worked. woody -> sarge |
| 14:21.07 | asg | DoppelGanger: so is IBM for shipping blades that have an amazing amount of broken unsupported crap in them. |
| 14:21.23 | asg | directhex|work: including acpi suspend / hibernate? |
| 14:21.32 | Gathond | asg: dell also used 3com at one point in time, the inspiron 41XX uses a 3c-905C or some such |
| 14:21.33 | darkness | asg >>>>powerbook :-) |
| 14:21.37 | zignig | asg: really ? , what a pain. I thought IBM would have got a blue clue by now. |
| 14:21.43 | asg | Gathond: yes |
| 14:21.46 | warnk | i am trying to get my wacom working, kernel loads driver, x loads driver, xf86config-4 is all set, but I can't get any movement from it, any ideas? |
| 14:21.50 | DoppelGanger | asg: you think the blades are bad |
| 14:21.51 | directhex|work | asg, there's some kind of hibernate shizzle going on. only had it an hour though |
| 14:21.54 | DoppelGanger | try the ibm website |
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| 14:22.00 | asg | zignig: really. All my blades have to use custom kernels. |
| 14:22.07 | DoppelGanger | tht thing is a crap hole |
| 14:22.11 | zignig | asg: that suck. |
| 14:22.12 | shingoki | uk repository very slow? |
| 14:22.17 | directhex|work | andrewtaylor_, did you read the release notes? the bit about "use aptitude not apt-get to upgrade woody to sarge"? |
| 14:22.19 | RichiH | zignig: yah, i have seenthat isolinux has neat splashes |
| 14:22.22 | asg | directhex|work: ah, nifty. My d600 is fully supported (except for the ndiswrapper wireless foo and the acpi suspend.) |
| 14:22.24 | zignig | asg: P.S i hate you , coz you get to use blades at all. |
| 14:22.26 | shingoki | oh, sarge is out? |
| 14:22.30 | RichiH | but then, i don't think that would justify moving away from grub |
| 14:22.32 | andrewtaylor_ | directhex|work - nope missed that |
| 14:22.39 | asg | DoppelGanger: no, they are pretty decent once you get a kernel on them, it just isn't easy. |
| 14:22.42 | RichiH | shingoki: no |
| 14:22.43 | zignig | asg: :P |
| 14:22.48 | RichiH | shingoki: /topic |
| 14:22.51 | directhex|work | andrewtaylor_, as reiterated in the release notes, in debian weekly news, and on distrowatch.com? |
| 14:22.52 | asg | zignig: we have 5x14 HS20s |
| 14:22.59 | andrewtaylor_ | I say missed, I missed the whole thing actually, just did an apt-get upgrade-dist |
| 14:23.04 | zignig | asg: shweet , doing what ? |
| 14:23.11 | directhex|work | that wouldn't have done much, since it's dist-upgrade |
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| 14:23.15 | zignig | asg: povray cluster ? |
| 14:23.26 | asg | zignig: mostly running fileservers and an exchange cluster. 10 or so are running debian for various things. |
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| 14:23.59 | Mage\work | any swedish people ? I've two words to translate ... |
| 14:24.02 | andrewtaylor_ | apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 14:24.10 | asg | Mage\work: /usr/games/chef |
| 14:24.11 | zignig | asg: cool, are you using some sort of replicator to install them ? or by hand ? |
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| 14:24.20 | zignig | asg: BORK BORK BORK! |
| 14:24.34 | andrewtaylor_ | Mage\work - Have a translator here, what are the words |
| 14:24.43 | asg | zignig: I built a custom live cd with bootcd and a custom 2.4.30 kernel. Bare metal to first boot in just under 10 minutes. |
| 14:24.46 | Mage\work | "väldigt mycket" |
| 14:24.53 | Mage\work | thanks |
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| 14:25.14 | zignig | asg: nice ;) , i've been working on a system using the new debian installer. |
| 14:25.38 | zignig | asg: nearly self replicating , not quite few more weeks. |
| 14:25.49 | asg | zignig: I just create the base system I always install on servers in a chroot and used bootcd. Much faster (I can't apt-get anything else I need after it's up.) |
| 14:25.58 | fhffhqvb | . |
| 14:26.05 | asg | s/can't/can/ |
| 14:26.07 | zignig | asg: good trick. |
| 14:26.18 | miguens | ok .. i'm go out now |
| 14:26.26 | asg | zignig: it works and prevents me from sitting at console in the dino pen for too long. |
| 14:26.39 | zignig | asg: dino pen ? |
| 14:26.48 | asg | zignig: google for jargon file |
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| 14:27.01 | yaya | ya d gen ici |
| 14:27.03 | lind^ | Do u know anything about dhcp? |
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| 14:27.14 | lind^ | Dhcp server |
| 14:27.24 | greycat | !ask |
| 14:27.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 14:27.58 | ChrisW | arg, i have a cron job that's scheduled for @hourly but never runs, why is that?! |
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| 14:29.22 | andrewtaylor_ | in english it's 'very almighty' but you get the meaning of the phrase ? |
| 14:29.30 | IDC | peterS, i was so wrong ... |
| 14:29.33 | nunez | Is there a special way to install vmware on debian? |
| 14:29.33 | andrewtaylor_ | very strong, extremely powerful, etc |
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| 14:29.47 | zignig | asg: haha google gave me : http://www.healthstones.com/dinosaurstore/dinosaurpens/lambeosauruspen/lambeosauruspen.html |
| 14:29.57 | nunez | !dpkg vmware |
| 14:29.57 | dpkg | somebody said vmware was for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README, or #vmware, or vmware 5.0 supports 2.6 kernels happily |
| 14:30.16 | IDC | peterS, i did a test,whatever i leave it the default in sysctl.conf or no,i simply set arg in php.ini that solves the problem immediately |
| 14:30.23 | asg | zignig: http://www.eps.mcgill.ca/jargon/jargon.html#dinosaur%20pen |
| 14:30.31 | andrewtaylor_ | Mage\work - does that make sense in the context ? |
| 14:30.38 | IDC | peterS, So my system does not have a shm memory limitation |
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| 14:30.45 | ruied | my linux doesn't boot. at the grub command line I've made: kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 /dev/hda1 ; root (hd0,2) . The kernel says that can't find the root. I set root to my root filesystem which is hdb, I supose the grub command is: root (hd0,2). what can I do? |
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| 14:31.27 | asg | ruied: try root(hd1,2) |
| 14:31.28 | ruied | ah, and I've executed the grub's 'boot' comand |
| 14:31.39 | ChrisW | hurm |
| 14:31.42 | ruied | ok |
| 14:31.44 | ChrisW | how do I begin debugging this |
| 14:31.46 | tarzeau | ruied: hdb is hd1 |
| 14:31.51 | ChrisW | there's nothing in /var/log/cron |
| 14:31.53 | ruied | going to try... |
| 14:31.57 | ChrisW | although there is for other jobs |
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| 14:32.06 | ChrisW | when, in an hour, should @hourly run? |
| 14:32.12 | asg | ChrisW: try having your job spit out some output (which will be mailed to you (or wherever root's mail is being sent)) |
| 14:32.21 | zignig | asg: Ah , I try to spend as little time as possible in my dino pen , too noisy :) |
| 14:32.29 | zignig | asg: nice and cold though. |
| 14:32.32 | ChrisW | asg: it does normally |
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| 14:32.43 | ChrisW | hence why I'm pretty sure it's not being run |
| 14:32.46 | ChrisW | just need to find out why |
| 14:32.50 | asg | ChrisW: look in /var/log/syslog (and see if a mention of the job exists there.) |
| 14:32.58 | ChrisW | and why cron isn't logging any errors |
| 14:33.09 | ruied | asg my root filesystem is hda2 ... shold I try (hd1,2) ? |
| 14:33.16 | zignig | ChrisW: check to see where root's email is going ? |
| 14:33.24 | ruied | the boot is hda1 |
| 14:33.26 | asg | ruied: no, that would make it hd(0,1) |
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| 14:34.24 | ChrisW | asg: nothing there... |
| 14:34.27 | warnk | my wacom isn't recognized by x, kernel driver and x driver both load tho, anyone know what's going on? |
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| 14:34.44 | Scruff | debianfre |
| 14:34.54 | asg | ChrisW: is crond actually running? |
| 14:35.00 | ChrisW | yep |
| 14:35.11 | ChrisW | as I said, plenty o other cron jobs spanking away... |
| 14:35.17 | darkness | I've been using woody for about 3months now fine, got apache installed and my web page up. I their any benefit going up to sarge atm? |
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| 14:35.18 | asg | ChrisW: is your job run from /etc/cron.hourly? |
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| 14:35.33 | Scruff | rep |
| 14:35.35 | ChrisW | no |
| 14:35.39 | ChrisW | I did crontab -e |
| 14:35.46 | ChrisW | @hourly /path/to/my/script |
| 14:35.54 | ChrisW | it took it happily enough :-) |
| 14:36.04 | ChrisW | and with @daily it ran fine |
| 14:36.16 | ChrisW | now i want to bump it up to @hourly, it don't run at all :-() |
| 14:36.42 | ruied | root (hd0,2) says that the cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS... |
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| 14:38.12 | asg | ChrisW: verify that the crontab in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/<user> exists and is correct. |
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| 14:39.04 | asg | ruied: have you asked in #grub yet? They may have more info. |
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| 14:39.48 | ruied | asg, going to! good idea ;) |
| 14:39.53 | ChrisW | asg: yep, it's there... |
| 14:40.09 | asg | hmmm, odd |
| 14:40.17 | ChrisW | yes indeed |
| 14:40.35 | Sphinx | anybody know how to improve the speed of KDE on debian ?? i tested the Gentoo Live CD yesterday and that can open just a normal drawer (directory) instead of of seeing a animated icon 7 times up and down in debian/kde... |
| 14:40.38 | Scruff | bonjours |
| 14:40.44 | Scruff | pourriez vous m'aider ? |
| 14:40.48 | Mage\work | french |
| 14:40.50 | Mage\work | !french |
| 14:40.51 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 14:40.53 | ChrisW | how should I debug from here? |
| 14:40.55 | Scruff | !fr |
| 14:40.55 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 14:41.01 | Scruff | bonjours |
| 14:41.03 | Scruff | pourriez vous m'aider ? |
| 14:41.10 | Mage\work | !lart Scruff |
| 14:41.13 | jethro | fr |
| 14:41.18 | Scruff | lol |
| 14:41.26 | ChrisW | !abuse Scruff |
| 14:41.31 | asg | ChrisW: you could strace crond and its children and see if anything odd shows up. |
| 14:41.38 | Scruff | lolololol |
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| 14:41.42 | Scruff | bonjours |
| 14:41.43 | Scruff | pourriez vous m'aider ? |
| 14:41.55 | asg | ChrisW: you could try replacing @hourly with '0 * * * *' to see if you get the same symptoms. |
| 14:42.00 | grigora | I have some /etc/cron.daily/find processes that hang. I suspect it's because of some stale nfs mounts, but it does not make any sense since "nfs" is in the -f flag for updatedb, does anyone experience similar issues? also, there is 900G file system on the machine itself, could it be that updatedb is running passed 24 hours and as more and more find processes add each night, it never finishes? thanks for any ideas |
| 14:43.14 | chealer | Scruff: tu le lis pas le factoïde que tu demandes toi-même? |
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| 14:46.22 | snail_ | grigora: try firing the processes manually and seeing bow long they take to complete. also check for ulimits. maybe try explicit --prunepaths ? |
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| 14:47.31 | grigora | snail_: thanks, so in other words, stale nfs mounts might still be hanging finds even though I have -f "nfs"? |
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| 14:48.20 | chr1s | hey everyone |
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| 14:49.02 | resiak | !tell rikva -about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 14:49.03 | snail_ | grigora: i truely have no idea. if that is what's happening, report it as a bug |
| 14:49.06 | resiak | rikva: There ya go :-0 |
| 14:49.11 | resiak | rikva: s/0/)/ |
| 14:49.11 | rikva | thx :) |
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| 14:49.29 | darkness | Hey guys i've just had confirmation of a success bonus of ££££ so celebrating :-) |
| 14:49.43 | ChrisW | ? |
| 14:49.45 | ChrisW | oh? |
| 14:49.48 | ChrisW | how many £££? |
| 14:49.52 | andrewtaylor_ | 1000 or 9999 ? |
| 14:50.01 | darkness | £1074 |
| 14:50.02 | greycat | clearly 4. |
| 14:50.06 | ChrisW | pah |
| 14:50.12 | ChrisW | that'd amost get me out of bed ;-) |
| 14:50.16 | andrewtaylor_ | 1074 - that's a random number |
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| 14:50.37 | ChrisW | odd |
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| 14:50.53 | ChrisW | it appears that @hourly is just ignored on this machine :-( |
| 14:50.55 | darkness | It's related to the profit line |
| 14:50.56 | ChrisW | putting in the number explicitly made it work fine |
| 14:51.15 | andrewtaylor_ | darkness - I bet i's .0001% suity bastards |
| 14:51.16 | directhex|work | 3. profit!!!! |
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| 14:51.36 | darkness | Yeah we made about 530Million profit |
| 14:51.40 | ChrisW | heh |
| 14:51.44 | ChrisW | man, you were robbed ;-) |
| 14:52.08 | darkness | Bastards |
| 14:52.21 | ChrisW | bwahaha |
| 14:52.23 | exerd | Hi i get this message when doing upgrade: g++-3.3(1 bug), mime-support(1 bug), initrd-tools(2 bugs), libldap2(1 bug) |
| 14:52.25 | ChrisW | run your own company |
| 14:52.30 | ChrisW | the benefits are much mroe direct... |
| 14:52.42 | greycat | ChrisW: and the risk. |
| 14:53.10 | doub | ChrisW: the failure path too |
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| 14:53.11 | ChrisW | *shrugs* |
| 14:53.11 | darkness | Running your own company is the only way to get rich |
| 14:53.11 | ChrisW | I guess I'm too arogant to consider failure... |
| 14:53.11 | doub | darkness: and might be a good way to get poor |
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| 14:53.28 | greycat | ooooh, shiny purple! |
| 14:53.32 | ChrisW | hehe |
| 14:53.35 | darkness | I know web designers who have 15years good service and only earn £20K in the uk |
| 14:53.43 | ChrisW | bwahahahaha |
| 14:54.00 | ChrisW | that said, if they're ONLY web designers, then that may be the problem... |
| 14:54.00 | darkness | And i mean GOOD guys |
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| 14:54.33 | darkness | The uk scene is poor atm. |
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| 14:54.55 | joel_ | so I need one simple command to get executed whoever logs in with gdm.. xmodmap, where do I put it? |
| 14:54.55 | doub | darkness: some people make 530M profit, others don't. that's capitalism |
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| 14:55.18 | darkness | Well we are state owned :-P |
| 14:55.23 | doub | darkness: and that's more often than not unrelated to doing GOOD work or not |
| 14:55.25 | chr1s | does anyone know of good mailinglist-software for newsletters? |
| 14:55.26 | directhex|work | joel_, which WM? |
| 14:55.39 | blafard | RHino is spamming on join |
| 14:55.41 | joel_ | directhex|work: gnome-session with metacity |
| 14:55.42 | darkness | Well 200 Million was given to us |
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| 14:56.40 | ChrisW | chr1s: mailman |
| 14:56.40 | asg | chr1s: mailman, majordomo, smartlist. |
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| 14:56.49 | jharrisonwk | anyone know how to set up cups to cups printing |
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| 14:56.54 | doub | s/unrelated/related/ |
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| 14:57.04 | asg | jharrisonwk: oooh, hot printer on printer action. |
| 14:57.07 | chr1s | ChrisW: But that's more for lists where users can reply, this should be a "read-only" list. |
| 14:57.10 | kingsley | What's a good way to debug why a newly installed NAT/masquerading application isn't working? Logging? ethereal? |
| 14:57.15 | jharrisonwk | like two network computers one with a printer attached running cups and then a cups client to print to it |
| 14:57.16 | doub | jharrisonwk: it depends on what you have to setup |
| 14:57.19 | jharrisonwk | asg: yes |
| 14:57.21 | Iconsumed | what mediaplayer can play windows media audio 9.1 files? |
| 14:57.33 | jharrisonwk | doub: sort of like a print server |
| 14:57.45 | asg | jharrisonwk: you should be able to use ipp to have the client communicate with the server. |
| 14:57.52 | doub | jharrisonwk: what sort of print server? for unix clients? windows clients? |
| 14:58.08 | asg | Iconsumed: mplayer probably can |
| 14:58.13 | jharrisonwk | doub: cups |
| 14:58.16 | doub | jharrisonwk: what sort of printer is it? |
| 14:58.16 | blafard | I am having a problem with my logs. Nothing appears to be logging to them. I didn't change syslog.conf; I tried restarting klogd and syslogd both manually and by hand. There are messages in /proc/kmsg that are not showing up in /var/log/debug. Can someone please help me? |
| 14:58.24 | nksen | i often face the issue, that say 'foo.com' is not resolvable. but when I restart bind on my server, it works. anyone knows that issue and is able to give me some useful hints? |
| 14:58.42 | Iconsumed | asg, do I have to update the codecsmanually? |
| 14:58.45 | ChrisW | chr1s: then use a bulletin board ;-) |
| 14:58.50 | jharrisonwk | doub: I have a usb laserjet printer attached to my computer running cups and I have a co-worker also running debian and cups and I want him to be able to print to my printer |
| 14:58.53 | Iconsumed | +" " |
| 14:59.10 | asg | blafard: 1) does ps indicate they are running. 2) did you restart them with /etc/init.d/sysklogd 3) is /var full. |
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| 14:59.30 | Golfgeo | Hi all, is there a tool to mount a ftp site? |
| 14:59.45 | asg | Iconsumed: check the mplayer site and see if they have updated codecs. Otherwise, the w32codecs package from /msg dpkg marillat might have support. |
| 14:59.47 | starscalling | to mount a ftp site? |
| 14:59.47 | doub | jharrisonwk: apt-get install cups, change the cups config file to broadcast information to the right hosts, and the client to listen for broadcasts from your server. setup your printer in cups. that's for the big picture. see the cups manual for details |
| 14:59.48 | blafard | asg: 1. yes 2. I tried that way and by hand 3. /var is the same partition as everything else, df says plenty of room |
| 14:59.51 | starscalling | or to make a ftp ? |
| 15:00.25 | asg | blafard: if you type 'logger foo' does anything show up in /var/log/syslog? |
| 15:00.30 | jharrisonwk | doub: im printing fine to the printer |
| 15:00.46 | jharrisonwk | doub: should just be a matter of straighting out the client |
| 15:00.56 | blafard | asg: no |
| 15:01.01 | Golfgeo | starscalling: No a remote site |
| 15:01.06 | starscalling | O.O |
| 15:01.14 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 15:01.17 | asg | blafard: does /dev/log exist? |
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| 15:01.28 | doub | jharrisonwk: as i told you, enable broadcasting printer information on server, and enable broadcast listening on client, that's pretty much all you have to do |
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| 15:01.59 | xodeus | I've an issue with apt-get more info on this here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35018 |
| 15:02.00 | elephantman | I have dir and subdirs with pictures on a cdrom, How could i recreate this structure and compress in the same times the images inside |
| 15:02.11 | blafard | asg: no, it did yesterday; I didn't do anything to it. |
| 15:02.21 | doub | jharrisonwk: then the printer will be installed in the cups client within the next printer information broadcast |
| 15:02.28 | blafard | asg: I have to remake it with mknod? |
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| 15:02.37 | K_Dallas | holy cow! a norwegian guy jumped from eiffel tower with a parachute and died! |
| 15:02.40 | asg | blafard: no. Fully stop sysklogd. Then start it again |
| 15:02.48 | asg | blafard: sysklogd should create the file. |
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| 15:03.07 | priest | K_Dallas: stupid guy :) |
| 15:03.07 | doub | K_Dallas: 300 something meters are too short for a parachute |
| 15:03.12 | asg | K_Dallas: thanks for the important saftey tip. |
| 15:03.17 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 15:03.25 | K_Dallas | it is just sad |
| 15:04.05 | blafard | asg: okay, I have /dev/log srw-rw-rw- but logger foo still puts nothing in syslog |
| 15:04.38 | asg | blafard: does /var/log/syslog indicate that syslogd started at all? |
| 15:04.48 | blafard | /var/log/syslog is empty |
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| 15:04.53 | asg | hmmm |
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| 15:05.02 | asg | blafard: you don't happen to have / mounted nodev do you? |
| 15:05.10 | blafard | ah, foo has shown up in /var/log/messages though |
| 15:05.32 | xodeus | I've an issue with apt-get more info on this here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35018 |
| 15:05.45 | blafard | asg: would that be in fstab? if so, no |
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| 15:05.57 | asg | blafard: some of the files are buffered and get written to at certain times. |
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| 15:06.50 | blafard | asg: syslog and kern.log have not been touched in over a day; is that normal? |
| 15:07.20 | K_Dallas | would this be all right? apt-get install -t unstable package-name, to get a package from sid to install on sarge? |
| 15:07.26 | asg | blafard: by default, syslog gets everything except authpriv so it should get the previous foo |
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| 15:07.36 | asg | blafard: check your syslog.conf to be sure |
| 15:07.54 | asg | blafard: *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog (what I have) |
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| 15:08.00 | blafard | I have *.warning;auth,authpriv.none |
| 15:08.00 | directhex|work | xodeus, #ubuntu for ubuntu issues |
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| 15:09.00 | blafard | asg, thanks, now I see these things in syslog |
| 15:09.00 | doub | K_Dallas: methinks you need to have sources for both in your sources.list and need to setup pinning first |
| 15:09.06 | asg | blafard: cool |
| 15:09.23 | blafard | asg: so the priorities were set too high? |
| 15:09.54 | nunez | how can I view the different fonts I have on my system |
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| 15:10.18 | asg | blafard: it was apparently only logging *.warning and non-private auth stuff (which probably doesn't generate a lot of traffic.) |
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| 15:10.33 | blafard | asg: and that would be the reason that things from /proc/kmsg are not showing up in kern.log, because it's set to kern.warning instead of kern.* ? |
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| 15:10.43 | asg | blafard: I expect so, yes. |
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| 15:11.32 | estel | hi, is there a description how debian installs grub on a harddisk? |
| 15:11.35 | jordin | RHino, and oFf |
| 15:11.39 | jordin | porno bots? |
| 15:11.40 | blafard | asg: thanks, that was dumb of me |
| 15:11.42 | jordin | ¿? |
| 15:11.46 | ChrisW | waagh: how come "ps ax | grep run_tests\|svn" doesn't reutrn stuff that "ps ax | grep runtests" does? |
| 15:11.47 | jordin | 0_0 |
| 15:11.53 | asg | blafard: no worries. |
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| 15:12.15 | asg | ChrisW: run_tests != runtests |
| 15:12.19 | pngwn | <oFf> http://www.sexyteens.gen.ms Free Porno Videos |
| 15:12.25 | asg | ChrisW: and you need -E to grep to use 'foo|bar' |
| 15:12.32 | ChrisW | sorry, that was a typo on my part |
| 15:12.36 | ChrisW | asg: thanks |
| 15:13.11 | K_Dallas | doub, i have the repos in my file and updated it |
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| 15:13.27 | drac | pngwn: please don't spam the channel. |
| 15:13.38 | pngwn | drac, byte me |
| 15:13.54 | pngwn | they are spam bots |
| 15:14.06 | drac | you still don't have to repeat the spam in public :( |
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| 15:14.18 | jethro | !bite pngwn |
| 15:14.20 | doub | !ops oFf RHino seem to be spam bots |
| 15:14.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: oFf RHino seem to be spam bots |
| 15:14.31 | Delph | pngwn: the answer is to do what doub just did, not repeat the message. |
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| 15:17.30 | phillipsjk | !poke |
| 15:17.31 | dpkg | yeah yeah, i'm here |
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| 15:18.53 | fwiw39 | hello - QUESTION - what is the difference between the XF86Config versus XF86Config-4 file? |
| 15:19.08 | asg | fwiw39: the former is for v3, the latter for v4 |
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| 15:19.32 | asg | fwiw39: though the former can used by v4 (due to backwards compatibility) if a -4 file isn't found in /etc/X11 |
| 15:19.52 | fwiw39 | i used xfconfig util to set up my debian |
| 15:20.19 | fwiw39 | it only wrote to XF86Config, but my startx looks for XF86Config-4 instead |
| 15:20.33 | drac | !drxx fwiw39 |
| 15:20.34 | dpkg | fwiw39: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 15:21.14 | fwiw39 | is that that dpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 supposed to be used in place of xf86config? |
| 15:21.28 | asg | fwiw39: yes, it's the 'Debian Way' of configuring your X |
| 15:21.53 | fwiw39 | (btw, i simply renamed my XF86Config file to XF86Config-4 and X windows worked...is that kosher?) |
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| 15:22.06 | asg | fwiw39: if it works for you, then it's kosher |
| 15:22.35 | asg | fwiw39: however it will break dpkg-reconfigure. To solve that, if you want to use it in the future, /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 15:22.43 | fwiw39 | asg - i don't want things to just work, i want things to work properly and cleanly |
| 15:22.49 | fwiw39 | AH md5sum |
| 15:22.50 | fwiw39 | ok |
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| 15:24.07 | fwiw39 | why does the x windows system configuration need an md5sum? to prevent hacking?? |
| 15:24.22 | asg | fwiw39: to decide if you manually configured your X. |
| 15:24.31 | mortal | hacking is good |
| 15:24.32 | asg | fwiw39: d-r assumes that if you did, you don't want it to fool with things |
| 15:24.35 | mortal | cracking is not |
| 15:24.38 | IDC | Is there a dedicated channel to discuss mail related in this irc network ? |
| 15:24.43 | fwiw39 | asg - AH i see |
| 15:24.51 | fwiw39 | i like manual |
| 15:24.53 | petemc | it would be nice if debconf mentioned it wasnt writing changes to the file tho |
| 15:25.09 | asg | IDC: #exim, #qmail, #sendmail, #postfix |
| 15:25.12 | fwiw39 | i'm not a computer science guy, but a food science guy. is it worth me to continue to learn debian? |
| 15:25.19 | IDC | asg, ah :) |
| 15:25.20 | fwiw39 | should i just stick to evil empire? |
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| 15:25.26 | asg | fwiw39: sure, science is science |
| 15:25.38 | fwiw39 | but evil empire is easy |
| 15:25.51 | asg | fwiw39: then use it if it makes you happy *shrug* |
| 15:25.54 | fwiw39 | sometimes i just want to sit down at my computer and do FOOD SCIENCE, not computer science. ;) |
| 15:26.03 | greycat | asg: and #courier |
| 15:26.12 | phillipsjk | Apple is just as evil, but has a smaller market share :) |
| 15:26.20 | fwiw39 | i do not think i will be happy when longhorn comes out - i heard microsoft is putting a FLIGHT RECORDER into their OS |
| 15:26.23 | asg | greycat: :) I always forget that, thanks. |
| 15:26.28 | fwiw39 | yes, apple is becoming evil i believe |
| 15:26.35 | greycat | apple has always been evil. |
| 15:26.48 | greycat | think "look and feel lawsuits". |
| 15:26.48 | fwiw39 | thus i turn to linux and am young padawan again |
| 15:26.52 | fwiw39 | lol |
| 15:27.04 | phillipsjk | hikenboot: all corporations are evil. Controlling them is the problem. |
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| 15:27.21 | tarzeau | in the open boot promp of mac, how can i print the ethernet mac address? |
| 15:27.31 | fwiw39 | ifconfig i think |
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| 15:28.00 | fwiw39 | yep |
| 15:28.06 | Pr370r14n0 | join #debianitas |
| 15:28.08 | Pr370r14n0 | ups |
| 15:28.09 | Pr370r14n0 | XD |
| 15:28.11 | fwiw39 | mac os x is built on unix now |
| 15:28.14 | asg | fwiw39: he was talking about firmware boot proms |
| 15:28.27 | fwiw39 | oh |
| 15:28.29 | nunez | How do I use -fn with aterm to tell it to use /usr/X11R6/lib/fonts/TTF/DarkGardenMK.ttf as the font? |
| 15:28.35 | asg | tarzeau: #debianppc might know |
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| 15:28.58 | conga | hey |
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| 15:29.06 | conga | can someone give me sourcelist for sarge? |
| 15:29.07 | asg | nunez: xlsfonts (find it's fontspec) or use xfontsel to construct one |
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| 15:29.17 | giupy | i ahve precompiled kernel 2.6.10-686 and my audio goes but i can't use the mixer, if i launch nmixer and try to make volume "-" pcm or volume nothing appends, if i try toggle pcm, audio stop it, do i need something other in the modules loaded by the kernel ? |
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| 15:29.27 | asg | conga: are you using woody now? |
| 15:29.32 | fwiw39 | true reasons for switching to linux - 1. stability, 2. privacy, 3. future toasters will use linux, so learn now to CUSTOMIZE your kitchen appliances |
| 15:29.34 | conga | yeah lol |
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| 15:29.39 | asg | conga: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 15:29.41 | conga | i just reinstalled woody |
| 15:29.45 | conga | thanks asg |
| 15:29.52 | nunez | asg, will that show my font that I installed? |
| 15:29.55 | asg | conga: or to install sarge from scratch, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 15:30.00 | fwiw39 | conga - r u running a server? if not, why woody then? |
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| 15:30.09 | asg | nunez: yes provided it was installed correctly |
| 15:30.10 | conga | yeah i want sarge |
| 15:30.21 | asg | nunez: /msg dpkg font guide (for help with fonty things) |
| 15:30.22 | boyracerr | afternoon all |
| 15:30.30 | fwiw39 | conga - do you *have* sarge? |
| 15:30.32 | fwiw39 | on disk? |
| 15:31.16 | boyracerr | is it possible to create a directory link using ln, such that if a file exists in a directory it will be served, otherwise link will be followed to another directory? |
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| 15:31.40 | oKtosiTe | I would like to connect my handheld device (WinCE based, sadly) to connect to my Linux servers, using the RS232 serial port. Does anyone know if this is possible? |
| 15:31.47 | ruied | what do I need to run to grub be configured, after I get a new kernel? |
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| 15:32.16 | greycat | ruied: if you installed sarge with d-i, nothing. |
| 15:32.19 | directhex|work | ruied, debian kernel-image? |
| 15:32.43 | ruied | directhex|work yup |
| 15:32.51 | directhex|work | oKtosiTe, yes, if you configured your system to do a console on /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 15:33.30 | oKtosiTe | directhex|work, I understand, I'm more worried about where to get the software for my handheld. |
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| 15:33.38 | Scruff | bonjours |
| 15:33.40 | Scruff | pourriez vous m'aider ? |
| 15:33.40 | ruied | directhex|work: grub hanged, I've booted it manually, I need to configure or reconfigure.... |
| 15:33.52 | asg | oKtosiTe: does it have a version of HyperTerm on it? |
| 15:33.55 | schrankwand | Hi what tool do you use to burn Cds and DVDs with linux? |
| 15:34.07 | factorx | hi guys, I am ubuntu user and I made a new 2.6.11 kernel, but now right after the gnome splash screen a kernel panic occurs, that says: "kernel panic - not syncing". what can I do? |
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| 15:34.13 | directhex|work | ruied, the update-grub script rebuilds a /boot/grub/menu.lst every time a kernel-image is added or removed |
| 15:34.17 | boyracerr | avec quoi? |
| 15:34.21 | asg | factorx: #ubuntu |
| 15:34.23 | directhex|work | factorx, ask #ubuntu? |
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| 15:34.30 | directhex|work | schrankwand, k3b |
| 15:34.34 | asg | !tell boyracerr about fr |
| 15:34.39 | schrankwand | thanks |
| 15:34.44 | factorx | I did, but they are lazy there ;) |
| 15:34.55 | boyracerr | i was just responding to Scruff |
| 15:35.00 | C17H21NO4 | Can I route through a specific interface based on destination hostname? |
| 15:35.01 | asg | factorx: /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:35.20 | directhex|work | factorx, you have an ubuntu problem with ubuntu |
| 15:35.23 | boyracerr | i was just responding to Scruff |
| 15:35.25 | phillipsjk | boyracerr : that would be scripting; bad for a filesystem to do automatically |
| 15:35.30 | boyracerr | ok |
| 15:35.37 | directhex|work | factorx, most people in here don't even run gnome |
| 15:35.42 | factorx | directhex|work: in fact, I have a kernel problem |
| 15:35.52 | Scruff | boyracerr :) |
| 15:35.59 | streuner | !based on debian |
| 15:35.59 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 15:36.00 | conga | fwiw39: i have woody on disk |
| 15:36.03 | boyracerr | so I am better off using ln to do it for each file in question, then deleting and replacing those that i don't want to redirect |
| 15:36.05 | directhex|work | !debian solutions |
| 15:36.06 | dpkg | debian solutions are the answers to debian problems. we don't care if debian solutions don't apply to non-debian distributions (hardware issues with knoppix, packaging issues with linspire, whatever) |
| 15:36.06 | conga | it's 3.0r4 |
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| 15:36.17 | directhex|work | factorx, don't compile your own kernels, use a debian kernel-image |
| 15:36.20 | asg | venus: don't /msg me (/msg dpkg guidelines.) |
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| 15:36.47 | asg | venus: ask in channel, benefit from peer knowledge |
| 15:36.51 | streuner | directhex|work: a debian kernel wouldn't work on ubuntu |
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| 15:37.08 | directhex|work | streuner, not my problem. it's #debian, i issue debian solutions |
| 15:37.17 | conga | sarge is cool :D |
| 15:37.19 | afaict | i'm using debian sid with german official mirror. Cups is not keeping the printer settings. I'm using a HP PSC 1350. |
| 15:37.21 | oKtosiTe | asg, nope, Windows CE 2.x |
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| 15:37.32 | factorx | directhex|work: why so? isn't it much more efficient if I compile a kernel with features that are especially for _my_ system? are there debian kernel images including bluetooth support i.e.? |
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| 15:37.51 | streuner | directhex|work: scroll up, what you said or not |
| 15:37.52 | directhex|work | factorx, as it happens, yes, sarge 2.6 kernels have bluetooth support |
| 15:37.56 | asg | oKtosiTe: hmm, check some shareware / freeware sites then. I haven't fooled with wince since I bought a compaq at a rubbish sale for $1 |
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| 15:38.22 | streuner | directhex|work: scroll up, what factorx said |
| 15:38.25 | directhex|work | factorx, let me guess. you used "make" and "make install"? |
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| 15:38.52 | directhex|work | streuner, read the debian solutions factoid. if he wants ubuntu-specific fixes, he's in the wrong place. the solutions i offer are relevant for those in the channel |
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| 15:38.55 | phillipsjk | boyracerr: what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:39.04 | factorx | directhex|work: no, I used make-kpkg |
| 15:39.11 | directhex|work | thank heavens for small mercies |
| 15:39.18 | boyracerr | i have a homespun CMS, and we run several different sites off it |
| 15:39.28 | streuner | directhex|work: not for people who explitzly said they use ubuntu and nothing else |
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| 15:39.46 | streuner | directhex|work: you are actually make support of ubuntu |
| 15:39.50 | boyracerr | say i have the file index.php and config.php |
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| 15:40.05 | boyracerr | i want index.php to be linked to a single standard file |
| 15:40.18 | boyracerr | but have config.php seperate in a different directory |
| 15:40.29 | boyracerr | its a bit like OO inheritance |
| 15:40.46 | oKtosiTe | asg, crap, oh well, thanks for the help! |
| 15:40.52 | boyracerr | i want a directory to inherit from a master directory, unless it 'overrides' it |
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| 15:40.55 | asg | oKtosiTe: sorry. Good luck though. |
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| 15:41.04 | boyracerr | hope that analogy makes sense |
| 15:41.40 | phillipsjk | boyracerr: sounds like you want the BSD "jail" feature ;) |
| 15:41.41 | directhex|work | streuner, as it happens, it's neither. his kernel creation is what needs work. but if people are in #debian, they get debian answers. whether they do or don't apply to $not_debian, i couldn' care less |
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| 15:41.58 | directhex|work | factorx, fix your kernel creation, or use a kernel image. PEBCAK |
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| 15:42.14 | [TSP]Aradorn | hey do i need all 6 CD ISOs for a complete debian install? |
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| 15:42.26 | [TSP]Aradorn | or just the first 3? |
| 15:42.38 | directhex|work | [TSP]Aradorn, 110mb net install iso |
| 15:42.48 | directhex|work | [TSP]Aradorn, and you can't do a complete install, and don't want to either |
| 15:43.14 | streuner | directhex|work: ok, the next one who comes into #debian who asking about gentoo or redhat need kernel-support, do you help them too=? |
| 15:43.14 | [TSP]Aradorn | hrm... |
| 15:43.20 | directhex|work | [TSP]Aradorn, debian woody is 7 cds of binary packages, sarge is 14 cds of binary packages. an xfree86 based system with a heavy window manager is cd1, maybe 2. |
| 15:43.29 | crashbg | I have problems mounting my semi-software RAID partitions |
| 15:43.38 | [TSP]Aradorn | k |
| 15:43.44 | directhex|work | streuner, i tell them some debian syntax. if that syntax doesn't work for them, then they can screw off |
| 15:43.45 | crashbg | the chipset is 0000:01:0b.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD Technology Inc) SiI 3112 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) |
| 15:43.57 | [TSP]Aradorn | wheres this net install iso at? |
| 15:44.03 | greycat | !d-i |
| 15:44.03 | directhex|work | !d-i [TSP]Aradorn |
| 15:44.04 | dpkg | d-i is probably the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 15:44.04 | dpkg | [TSP]Aradorn, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:44.07 | crashbg | i have windows on it in 3 partitions |
| 15:44.20 | directhex|work | crashbg, you can't, unless you use the binary driver from siimage.com |
| 15:44.24 | [TSP]Aradorn | ah k sorry didnt see it =p |
| 15:44.26 | directhex|work | crashbg, which is not supported here |
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| 15:44.47 | [TSP]Aradorn | rofl they have debian for m68k, nice i could program some stuff in assembly for it =P |
| 15:44.49 | afaict | Hi Folks! I'm using debian sid. I'm using cups and hpof. My printer is HP PSC 13xx. I'm trying to print and it appear: Processing ... and Nothing happen! |
| 15:44.54 | crashbg | it's not supported in linux? directhex|work ? |
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| 15:45.18 | phillipsjk | boyracerr: can you overwrite the symlink without overwriting the linked file? |
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| 15:46.07 | directhex|work | crashbg, fakeraid partitions rely on closed-source binary drivers. some manufacturers do linux binary drivers, some don't. either way, you cannot use the open-source sata_sil and mount them. you can use mdadm to do linux software raid, but you can't put windows on an mdadm array. |
| 15:46.38 | directhex|work | crashbg, so either you use silicon image's binary driver, quit using software raid, or wait a few months for redhat to get devmapper to work fully (which is a module which CAN mount them) |
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| 15:47.13 | [TSP]Aradorn | so i just burn this ISO a cd and reboot and it will download all the packages i need right? |
| 15:47.17 | afaict | Am I doing the wrong question ? |
| 15:47.17 | nunez | asg, I put the font in ~/.font, fc-list sees it, but xfontsel doesnt have it? |
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| 15:47.26 | crashbg | directhex|work, so i will search for the binary driver from SI |
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| 15:47.49 | Auron85 | hi all... someone can help me plz? |
| 15:47.51 | directhex|work | crashbg, you won't be able to boot from that, unless you somehow manage to insert the driver into an initrd |
| 15:47.52 | crashbg | ok i have a clue already, thanks :) |
| 15:48.01 | crashbg | directhex|work, i don't want to book |
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| 15:48.06 | streuner | Auron85: ask |
| 15:48.08 | crashbg | i have another hard drive to boot from |
| 15:48.31 | crashbg | which is on PATA hard drive |
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| 15:48.39 | ruied | if I make any changes on menu.1st, what shall I do to update those changes? |
| 15:48.55 | asg | nunez: did you restart X to pickup the changes to XF86Config? |
| 15:49.02 | afaict | I'm using cups and hpoj. My printer is HP PSC 13xx. I'm trying to print and it appear: Processing ... and Nothing happen! |
| 15:49.03 | streuner | Auron85: /msg dpkg guidelines, don't /msg people and don't open odd dccchats |
| 15:49.12 | takatumi | ruied: just save it, and it's .lst not .1st |
| 15:49.24 | ruied | ok |
| 15:49.40 | streuner | afaict: inkjet? |
| 15:49.56 | GrayThunder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:50.27 | fwiw39 | i heard 50 cent uses debian |
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| 15:50.41 | streuner | Auron85: Did you read what i told you? |
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| 15:51.09 | Auron85 | oh pardon.. i'm sorry |
| 15:51.15 | Auron85 | i red bad... |
| 15:51.25 | nunez | asg, Is it a must to do that? |
| 15:51.38 | asg | nunez: if you made changes to that config, yes. |
| 15:51.45 | streuner | afaict: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 15:51.59 | Auron85 | I'm using a multiuser pc... i and another user would like to run Azureus, but it let us to open only one session... and i've yet tried to use different port... |
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| 15:52.48 | doub | Auron85: are you running both with the same user? |
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| 15:53.04 | doub | Auron85: (just my 2c tip, i don't know azureus) |
| 15:53.26 | Auron85 | no with different users, but logged at the same time with different X11 session |
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| 15:54.32 | honschu | How to get the major,minor number for /dev/dri/card* ? to create /dev/dri/card* with mknod. |
| 15:54.48 | doub | Auron85: you can try using bittornado |
| 15:54.50 | honschu | because it doesn't exist for me. |
| 15:54.59 | doub | honschu: ls -l <device> |
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| 15:55.10 | honschu | doub - the file doesn't EXIST! |
| 15:55.16 | Auron85 | i'm not root in this netword... |
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| 15:56.07 | revenger | is there a way to migrate a job from one bash shell to another one? |
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| 15:56.32 | crashbg | directhex|work, they has only 64bit drivers for linux |
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| 15:56.48 | crashbg | what can i use |
| 15:56.49 | revenger | thing is I want to shut down my box but something's currently running and I shouldn't stop it |
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| 15:57.04 | emitchlpd | is there a way to dump out all the commands in my current bash_history queue? |
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| 15:57.09 | ruied | is there any way so I can check if all is ok with fgrub conf file? I have to boot it manually, cause grub won't start by it self. |
| 15:57.14 | emitchlpd | the ones that haven't been written to ~/.bash_history |
| 15:57.18 | Auron85 | StartSocket: passing startup args to already-running Azureus java process. this is the error.. |
| 15:57.19 | ruied | it doesn't appear any menu... just the grub command line... |
| 15:57.24 | crashbg | emitchlpd, eraze .bash_history? |
| 15:57.27 | greycat | emitchlpd: help history |
| 15:57.34 | emitchlpd | greycat: good call |
| 15:57.36 | emitchlpd | :) |
| 15:57.39 | mne | hi ! my bash completion for debian packages does not work, it there anything i need to install/configure so that it works ? |
| 15:57.52 | doub | revenger: you can launch it within screen, but for now the only thing you do is make it a background job, thus loosing the controlling terminal definitely |
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| 15:58.02 | ethics | im getting hung process when copying from a usb2 hdd any clues? they are just mp3s on a vfat |
| 15:58.03 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/.bash_profile iirc |
| 15:58.17 | afaict | streuner yes, inkjet. |
| 15:58.39 | doub | emitchlpd: help history will tell you, there's a "history" switch to save it's contents manually |
| 15:58.41 | fwiw39 | hello - QUESTION - what is the best resource i can refer to to HARDEN my debian installation |
| 15:58.54 | doub | fwiw39: google for "securing debian howto" |
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| 15:59.13 | afaict | streuner, I will follow hpinkjet sourceforge. If something goes wrong I will ask. thanks |
| 15:59.14 | asg | fwiw39: or just apt-get install harden-doc |
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| 15:59.51 | revenger | doub: wonder about it because control - z stops it in the background and the shell is useable again |
| 16:00.15 | grigora | how do you kill a process in a DWN state? and the process name is in brackets [updatedb]? |
| 16:00.22 | doub | revenger: if you do "bg", you'll make this process detached from the shell, AFAIK |
| 16:00.35 | doub | revenger: so it won't quit when the shell itself quits |
| 16:00.38 | greycat | grigora: you don't. 'D' means it's in a Driver (kernelspace). |
| 16:00.51 | greycat | grigora: did it touch an NFS mounted file system that went away? |
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| 16:01.19 | revenger | doub: ok so afterwards sending a signal SIGCONT continue it again right? |
| 16:01.31 | mne | jetscreamer, thx, it works now |
| 16:01.41 | Dirk_Diggler | how do you change between wifi and normal ethernet card for connection with internet, my debian system tries to connect to eth0 during boot, but apparently it doesn't scan the ethernet card |
| 16:02.00 | doub | revenger: if you issue bg, the process will continue (as opposed to ctrl-z which makes it STOPped) |
| 16:02.05 | jharrisonwk | doub: do I need to set up browsing on the client as well? |
| 16:02.16 | jetscreamer | been there, np |
| 16:02.20 | fwiw39 | hello - QUESTION - debian sarge installed out of the box, with apt-get update/upgrades...AFTER THAT...how vulnerable is my system (does iptables run automatically) and what should i do (just following hardening doc?)? |
| 16:02.28 | revenger | doub: but it's only possible within the same session.. |
| 16:02.39 | doub | jharrisonwk: you need to enable listening to broadcasts, IIRC |
| 16:02.42 | _joey | could someone comment on this device please http://www.packetpro.com/~peterson/linux-netgear_wg311t_pci.html |
| 16:02.53 | _joey | I'd like to know if it works well on linux |
| 16:03.00 | asg | fwiw39: reading the harden-doc will provide lots of useful information on hardening a box. Debian out of the box, provided you have the security updates, is pretty solid. |
| 16:03.06 | jharrisonwk | doub: this would be in the cupsd.conf? |
| 16:03.13 | Delph | fwiw39: it's not vunerable. Check the bug reports for all packages that you have installed |
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| 16:03.30 | Delph | (and grep for anything like "serious security hole") |
| 16:03.36 | asg | fwiw39: for firewall configs, use bastille (which does other things besides fw) or firehol. |
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| 16:03.40 | eka | hi all |
| 16:03.42 | revenger | doub: doesn't work just tested it with bc |
| 16:03.43 | doub | revenger: yes, maybe using SIGCONT will do the same, but won't detach it from the shell. bg does both: detach and SIGCONT, AFAIK |
| 16:03.51 | eka | how to configure mc to work with colors? |
| 16:03.55 | grigora | greycat: yes, /proc/21397/cwd -> /mnt, but it does not seem that there are any stale nfs mounts, I tried strace-ing the process, but didn't get anything |
| 16:03.59 | eka | i'm seeing it in BW |
| 16:04.01 | greycat | fwiw39: a base install will have NO remote holes because it has NO services listening on any network sockets. |
| 16:04.02 | doub | jharrisonwk: yes |
| 16:04.05 | nunez | where can I find gkrellm-xmms since it isnt found by apt-get? |
| 16:04.14 | greycat | fwiw39: anything beyond that, could have holes. We can't promise you anything. |
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| 16:04.42 | greycat | grigora: in any case, you can't kill it. |
| 16:05.20 | doub | revenger: bg that is |
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| 16:05.26 | doub | revenger: as in BackGround |
| 16:05.36 | fwiw39 | :) |
| 16:05.55 | doub | revenger: see man bash, /PROCESS for details |
| 16:07.04 | Gonzalo | HI, I am running Debian Sarge and have a script in /etc/cron.daily that does not get run. Any ideas why? |
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| 16:07.27 | saloxin | Gonzalo: chmod +x ? |
| 16:07.42 | doub | Gonzalo: maybe your box is not 24h a day up, and especially not at the time cron.daily should run. and you didn't install anacron |
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| 16:08.05 | Gonzalo | saloxin: It's already executable |
| 16:08.22 | Gonzalo | Doub: It's up 24x7. It's a server. |
| 16:08.37 | fwiw39 | hello - QUESTION - suppose i have a desktop with win xp and debian on two HDDs. while running one OS, is it possible for a hacker to gain access to the other OS's filesystem? |
| 16:08.38 | doub | Gonzalo: what makes you think it's not ran? |
| 16:08.55 | Gonzalo | It's an rsync script that syncs two separate servers |
| 16:09.04 | pureone | gonzalo have you tested the script ? |
| 16:09.04 | Gonzalo | When I run it manually, things get synced. |
| 16:09.08 | Gonzalo | Yes |
| 16:09.10 | pureone | ok |
| 16:09.14 | grigora | greycat: so is a reboot the only way out? |
| 16:09.14 | Gonzalo | If I run it manually it works. |
| 16:09.20 | Gonzalo | If I leave it on its own, it doens't. |
| 16:09.24 | pureone | set it with crontab -e |
| 16:09.28 | doub | Gonzalo: is there some output in the root mailbox? |
| 16:09.42 | Gonzalo | Let me check. |
| 16:09.44 | asg | fwiw39: yes |
| 16:09.46 | Gonzalo | There wasn't last time I checked. |
| 16:09.59 | jharrisonwk | doub: it says that browsing is on by default. I uncommented BrowseAddress and set it for the broadcast address of the network. Im not sure if there is anything else I need to do. |
| 16:10.15 | jharrisonwk | doub: the client still has problems printing though |
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| 16:10.57 | doub | jharrisonwk: if everything went ok, you should be able to see the printer in the cups web admin interface, without having mentionned it manually |
| 16:11.02 | Gonzalo | doub: No mail for root. |
| 16:11.15 | doub | Gonzalo: is syslog reporting any error with cron? |
| 16:11.36 | chr1s | Hey, does anyone know of a tutorial explaining how to use Redcloth? |
| 16:11.41 | asg | doub: if he configured his mta right, root's mail should never go to root but be forwarded to another user. |
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| 16:11.50 | asg | chr1s: wtf is Redcloth? |
| 16:12.07 | doub | asg: of course, but that's still root's messages |
| 16:12.19 | Gonzalo | doub: No, but let me ask the silly questions, since I have only been running Debian for 4 months. |
| 16:12.39 | Gonzalo | Does anacron not get installed by default? |
| 16:12.41 | fwiw39 | asg : for the dual XP/debian desktop, how feasible would it be to protect each OS from each other by putting the HDDs in removable/mobile drawers? |
| 16:12.59 | asg | fwiw39: if they aren't connected, only an onsite miscreant could do damage. |
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| 16:13.07 | doub | asg: and it's easier to write "root's mailbox" than "the mailbox you or someone else have set up to get root's mail". but now I said it. anyway... |
| 16:13.09 | chr1s | omg, wrong channel |
| 16:13.11 | Gonzalo | doub: I just checked and it wasn't installed, so I went ahead and installed it. |
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| 16:13.15 | asg | doub: *nod* |
| 16:13.32 | doub | Gonzalo: anacron is only for non-24/7 machines |
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| 16:13.46 | fwiw39 | asg - instead of drive drawers, can the HDDs be disabled through BIOS, or is that hackable remotely? |
| 16:13.55 | Gonzalo | That's what I thought. |
| 16:14.07 | Gonzalo | doub: So I don't need it, right? |
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| 16:14.13 | afaict | cpp: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory. |
| 16:14.17 | doub | Gonzalo: no |
| 16:14.23 | asg | fwiw39: they can be disable and even hidden using bios/bootloader combinations. I don't know how vulnerable they are at that point though. |
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| 16:14.32 | doub | Gonzalo: one thing you can look at is if any other cron.daily script seem to work |
| 16:14.42 | afaict | what do I need to install to get cpp1plus ? |
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| 16:15.14 | punsad | any reccomendations for dockable applets for a laptop (e.g. wireless signal, battery strength) |
| 16:15.16 | asg | !b-e afaict |
| 16:15.17 | dpkg | afaict: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 16:15.20 | trand | i have xxx.orig.tar.gz & xxx.diff.gz |
| 16:15.24 | trand | how could I make deb with them? |
| 16:15.29 | saloxin | punsad: gdesklets :) |
| 16:15.34 | trand | what commands should i type? |
| 16:15.37 | Wowzer | for some reason my .php files on newly installed server is being sent as a file, instead of executing within apache...does anyone know why? |
| 16:15.55 | doub | trand: unpack orig, apply the diff, and dpkg-buildpackage within the new dir |
| 16:15.58 | asg | Wowzer: you didn't install libapache-mod-php4. |
| 16:16.06 | Wowzer | asg k |
| 16:16.08 | punsad | saloxin: I take it that for gnome desktop? I'll check it out |
| 16:16.19 | afaict | asg, tks! |
| 16:16.23 | trand | doub, thanks. then should i use 'diff' to apply the diff? or patch? |
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| 16:16.45 | Wowzer | cant find package libapache-mod-php4 |
| 16:16.48 | Gonzalo | doub: the log rotation script appears to be working. |
| 16:16.53 | saloxin | punsad: i use it on fluxbox.. sucks some memory though (python) |
| 16:16.55 | doub | trand: .diff is diff (the command)'s output. so use "patch" to apply it |
| 16:17.07 | trand | doub, thanks again :) |
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| 16:17.20 | asg | Wowzer: what debian are you running? |
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| 16:17.29 | Wowzer | woody |
| 16:17.43 | asg | !info libapache-mod-php4 woody |
| 16:17.54 | Gonzalo | doub: This is puzzling. I have to run now, but I'll get back on the channel a little later. Thanks for your help. If you can think of anything else, feel free to pm me. |
| 16:18.04 | Wowzer | !info libapache-mod-php4 woody |
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| 16:18.11 | Dirk_Diggler | can someone help me to scan both network cards (wifi and ethernet) for internet connection? |
| 16:18.14 | doub | Gonzalo: maybe your script crashes because the environment is not the same as a login shell (especially $PATH). try making it complain loudly for every error |
| 16:18.36 | streuner | Wowzer: upgrade to sarge |
| 16:18.37 | asg | Wowzer: oh, okay. Did you follow the directions in /usr/share/doc/php4/* |
| 16:18.39 | doub | Gonzalo: or use absolute paths everywhere |
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| 16:19.47 | fwiw39 | hello - QUESTION - are there any advantages to using GRUB versus NTLDR for a dual winxp/debian install? |
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| 16:20.08 | asg | fwiw39: yes, grub works, NTLDR doesn't work well at all. |
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| 16:20.25 | doub | fwiw39: try both, see the one that fits your needs |
| 16:20.25 | fwiw39 | asg - lol, i got NTLDR to load debian with bootpart |
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| 16:20.35 | jelque | what is the correct syntax, when starting vi, to go to a certain line # in a file? |
| 16:20.44 | jelque | or while in vi |
| 16:20.48 | fwiw39 | asg - why doesn't NTLDR work well? |
| 16:20.52 | Aradorn | Ok I booted up the netinstall ISO and got past the first few prompts, then i got an error that said it couldnt find the Debian ISO and that my CDROM wasnt mounted |
| 16:20.53 | asg | fwiw39: it can, it does require more hackage. |
| 16:20.57 | Aradorn | anyone know why this might happen? |
| 16:21.04 | fwiw39 | hackage is good :) |
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| 16:21.21 | asg | fwiw39: not hacking Windows crap though. |
| 16:21.28 | jethro | wtf is hackage? |
| 16:21.35 | fwiw39 | lol asg |
| 16:21.37 | Aradorn | !tell Aradorn d-i |
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| 16:21.53 | fwiw39 | asg - hacking windows is a very practical skill, as windows systems are very common |
| 16:22.00 | jethro | doub: there are some, /quit, or /ignore are examples :) |
| 16:22.11 | asg | fwiw39: practical for you, useless and irritating for me. |
| 16:22.11 | fwiw39 | you will run into evil empire computers at work all the time, and need to know how to deal with their flaws |
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| 16:22.23 | fwiw39 | ah i see |
| 16:22.29 | asg | fwiw39: I deal with their flaws by running Debian or OpenBSD. |
| 16:22.33 | fwiw39 | :) |
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| 16:22.53 | jethro | !dict hackage |
| 16:22.55 | dpkg | could not find definition for hackage |
| 16:23.07 | doub | !dict pedantic |
| 16:23.09 | dpkg | could not find definition for pedantic |
| 16:23.09 | fwiw39 | our institution runs microsoft products heavily, thus i need to maintain some knowledge of win systems |
| 16:23.17 | doub | oh shit |
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| 16:23.25 | asg | fwiw39: I have staff for that. |
| 16:23.54 | fwiw39 | nice |
| 16:24.15 | fwiw39 | nice, nice |
| 16:24.17 | jethro | do some retard use ntldr to boot linux on dual boot systems? |
| 16:24.24 | doub | asg: my lord, pleased am i to talk to you |
| 16:24.27 | fwiw39 | jethro, yes that was me |
| 16:24.33 | fwiw39 | NTLDR |
| 16:24.42 | fwiw39 | you got beef? |
| 16:24.44 | fwiw39 | :) |
| 16:24.47 | punsad | sauloxin: so I just apt-get installed gdesklets... looks like I need gdesklets-data as well? |
| 16:24.52 | jethro | jeez |
| 16:24.56 | fwiw39 | jeth - y |
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| 16:26.16 | doub | jethro: you forgot about /away,by the way. it's only a temporary remedy, but it works |
| 16:26.33 | jethro | doub: I still read stupid people when I /away :/ |
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| 16:26.58 | jethro | doub: unless I m really away and left the screen :p, which is what I ll be doing in a minute, cheers |
| 16:27.29 | doub | jethro: cheers |
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| 16:28.06 | priest | anyone from sweden who have noticed funny translations in webalizer? wrong country for example |
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| 16:28.22 | Aradorn | anyone know why the netinstall iso wont mount my CDRW? |
| 16:28.38 | Wowzer | the /usr/share/doc/php4/readme is telling me to uncomment a line (which doesn't exist). The line is referencing a file that doesn't exist. |
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| 16:28.58 | cOoOoK | enas |
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| 16:31.20 | priest | how do i make an "po" file to a "mo"? |
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| 16:31.52 | Wowzer | hmm...after correcting the readme's wrong name, it still doesn't allow .php scripts to be run...they are still being sent as a download file. |
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| 16:32.43 | asg | Wowzer: did you clear your browser cache (or force a refersh page load)? did you restart apache? |
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| 16:33.23 | Wowzer | I'll clear browser cache..but I did apachectl restart |
| 16:33.32 | pmitros | Does anyone know of hardware companies headquartered in Taiwan that do not have free software drivers? I've so far found XGI (where there's no 3d). It looks like Via is either entirely or mostly supported. I'm trying to figure out S3. Any more? |
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| 16:34.01 | Wowzer | I am dumb...rotflmao...clear browser cache. |
| 16:34.10 | Wowzer | asq- ty... |
| 16:34.36 | oKtosiTe | I can't wait for Sid... |
| 16:34.41 | grendal_prime | ok there is no rc.local file in debain distro..?? |
| 16:35.17 | oKtosiTe | green_earz, no, debian has a real mechanism for lanching programs. |
| 16:35.22 | cOoOoK | seeya ppl |
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| 16:35.26 | oKtosiTe | grendal_prime even |
| 16:35.44 | oKtosiTe | grendal_prime, *at boot |
| 16:36.13 | pmitros | oKtosiTe: sid? I'm just waiting for sarge... |
| 16:36.14 | grendal_prime | I want to fire up the x11vnc app on start of the user interface.. |
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| 16:36.25 | grendal_prime | what would be the best way of doing that? |
| 16:36.46 | grendal_prime | with the fedora systems i just put the command into the rc.local file |
| 16:37.00 | greycat | !rc.local |
| 16:37.00 | dpkg | it has been said that rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 16:37.11 | oKtosiTe | grendal_prime, try "man runlevel" |
| 16:37.19 | grendal_prime | but..umm well...this is actually only for the x display..so i guess...there would be.... |
| 16:37.45 | oKtosiTe | grendal_prime, don't launch X with rc scripts, please. |
| 16:38.08 | grendal_prime | no...other way around, when x launches i want it to fire up this app |
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| 16:39.21 | oKtosiTe | grendal_prime, .xsession (if not using [g/k/x]dm) |
| 16:39.44 | grendal_prime | cool thats what i was wondering about thanks |
| 16:40.12 | oKtosiTe | grendal_prime, ~/.xsession that is, it's read like a "sh" script |
| 16:40.30 | oKtosiTe | grendal_prime, hope it helps, good luck |
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| 16:41.06 | moshii | is it possible to get something like timeoutd working with xterms? |
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| 16:41.45 | greycat | if that does what it sounds like... *why* would you want it? |
| 16:42.06 | giupy | how can i see my locale type ? |
| 16:42.13 | greycat | man locale |
| 16:42.20 | giupy | k |
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| 16:42.40 | oKtosiTe | giupy, "set |grep LANG" |
| 16:42.41 | grendal_prime | oKtosiTe, there is no .xsession file...only .xsession-errors... |
| 16:42.44 | grendal_prime | can i just make one |
| 16:42.49 | greycat | oKtosiTe: locale(1) is more effective. |
| 16:42.51 | oKtosiTe | grendal_prime, yes |
| 16:42.54 | grendal_prime | or are we basically talking about |
| 16:42.56 | grendal_prime | ok cool |
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| 16:43.03 | giupy | oKtosiTe, i try thanks |
| 16:43.18 | oKtosiTe | giupy, what greycat said is helpful too |
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| 16:44.05 | oKtosiTe | giupy, greycat is right, just run "locale" |
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| 16:46.26 | giupy | oKtosiTe, yeah i have seen |
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| 16:46.45 | Frafra | hi all |
| 16:46.47 | oKtosiTe | giupy, ok |
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| 16:47.04 | crashbg | i have one 60 GB harddrive; it has one primary for / and 2 extended for swap and home; i want to reduce the /home and make one empty primary partition; how? |
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| 16:47.29 | Frafra | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.34 | Frafra | what i must do? |
| 16:47.38 | lindi- | cereal: do you want that have the empty partition after or before /home? |
| 16:47.42 | greycat | crashbg: partition magic, parted, etc. |
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| 16:49.15 | Frafra | who can help me? |
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| 16:49.27 | greycat | Frafra: dcop $(dcop superkaramba*) |
| 16:49.35 | procrastinator | I'm confused: Is mplayer (partly?) proprietary, or is it just because of patenting-issues that it's not in main? |
| 16:49.45 | greycat | Frafra: possibly with quotes. I have NFI what this dcop command does. |
| 16:50.22 | asg | procrastinator: /msg dpkg mplayer faq |
| 16:50.36 | Frafra | THANKS!!! |
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| 16:53.28 | procrastinator | So it's "not quite free" because of some files that are missing copyright information? |
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| 16:53.57 | popeye | Holy crap, IE 7 will have tabbed browsing! http://www.microsoft-watch.com.on.nimp.org/?u=debian |
| 16:54.07 | asg | and we care? |
| 16:54.07 | pureone | :O |
| 16:54.21 | stew | i head aol 9.0 is the fastest aol ever |
| 16:54.22 | pureone | microsoft are learning |
| 16:54.23 | stew | hear |
| 16:54.52 | mrgenixus | people who use myIE already have tabbed browsing... the only feature I'll care about in IE7 is seperation from the oS core |
| 16:55.16 | quitte | is there a way to find all source packages that need a certain package to build? |
| 16:55.44 | mrgenixus | I heard AOL 9.0 requires more processing than ever becuase everything uses strong compression, and AOL still doesn't work with winmodems as a result |
| 16:55.45 | greycat | quitte: by parsing the apt lists, I suppose. |
| 16:55.53 | resiak | !wayttd quitte |
| 16:55.54 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, quitte? |
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| 16:56.38 | quitte | resiak: built a lot of debian packages for sh3. but had to override dependencies. now i have the needed debs but im not sure what to rebuild |
| 16:56.47 | resiak | quitte: k |
| 16:56.48 | asg | heh, load average: 22.84, 23.31, 16.46 |
| 16:57.23 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 16:57.31 | Eclipser | now to figure out how to play a DVD... |
| 16:57.31 | quitte | maybe it's time to try apt-build |
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| 16:57.58 | mrgenixus | has anybody seen anything that can generate swf without using java? |
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| 16:58.13 | popeye | Holy crap, IE 7 will have tabbed browsing! http://www.microsoft-watch.com.on.nimp.org/?u=debian |
| 16:58.24 | ignatz | popeye keep your stupid shit foryourself |
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| 16:58.27 | mrgenixus | yes, you said that |
| 16:58.33 | ignatz | and dont spam that worm page |
| 16:58.42 | popeye | i dont know what you're talking about |
| 16:58.48 | popeye | geeze debian users are grumpy people |
| 16:58.49 | ignatz | sure you dont idiot |
| 16:58.59 | ignatz | thats why firefox asks to start |
| 16:59.00 | popeye | hey, its not my fault you were abused as a child |
| 16:59.01 | popeye | dont take it out on me |
| 16:59.02 | ignatz | 200 popups |
| 16:59.09 | ignatz | so keep it for yourself |
| 16:59.10 | asg | popeye: that's because were are *debian* people, not *windows* people. |
| 16:59.13 | ignatz | and dont annoy ppl |
| 16:59.17 | popeye | you should be using windows |
| 16:59.20 | pngwn | asg++ |
| 16:59.22 | greycat | ignatz: is that page really a popup spam thing? |
| 16:59.24 | popeye | debian is outdated |
| 16:59.25 | ignatz | yes |
| 16:59.26 | popeye | windows is the future |
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| 16:59.30 | ignatz | it tries to open |
| 16:59.30 | Eclipser | ah, another troll wannabe |
| 16:59.32 | ignatz | 3962309 windows |
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| 16:59.32 | popeye | lol |
| 16:59.34 | ignatz | via jscript |
| 16:59.35 | ignatz | :) |
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| 16:59.44 | K`Special | Hi all |
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| 16:59.50 | shingoki | popeye, why would we care if IE has tabbed browsing? |
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| 17:00.28 | K`Special | Got a problem ^^ can't install Debian on VMWare 4.5.2, it don't detects the hard disc (SCSI), can anyone help me please ? |
| 17:00.40 | auraco | hello room |
| 17:00.43 | asg | K`Special: use the IDE disk instead |
| 17:00.44 | asg | !room |
| 17:00.44 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 17:00.49 | auraco | sorry |
| 17:01.17 | K`Special | asac i tried, but vmware seems not ok, he gives me only SCSI choice ^^ (virtual) |
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| 17:01.27 | oKtosiTe | K`Special, if I remember correctly you can tell VMware to emulate an IDE disk, it's not a solution, but a workaround at least. |
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| 17:01.33 | greycat | K`Special: so contact VMware technical support. You paid for it, right? |
| 17:01.37 | asg | K`Special: then check vmware's site. |
| 17:01.45 | Borg^Queen | Hi does anyone here have an Audigy or SB Live card? |
| 17:01.51 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 17:01.51 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:01.52 | asg | K`Special: never been a problem for me on all the versions I ever installed it on. |
| 17:01.52 | K`Special | okey thanks guys |
| 17:02.08 | Borg^Queen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.15 | Borg^Queen | I'm running Sarge |
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| 17:03.09 | Borg^Queen | Anyone? |
| 17:03.29 | asg | Borg^Queen: make sure your mixer settings are right |
| 17:03.47 | Borg^Queen | how do I do that? |
| 17:03.51 | asg | Borg^Queen: aumix |
| 17:03.55 | Borg^Queen | I'm using Kmix and everything seems fine |
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| 17:05.36 | Borg^Queen | I get "error opening mixer" |
| 17:06.30 | Borg^Queen | asg: what does that mean? Am I missing a package? |
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| 17:06.40 | asg | Borg^Queen: no, kmix is probably using it. |
| 17:07.06 | Borg^Queen | I just close it, same error |
| 17:07.19 | asg | Borg^Queen: are you using alsa or oss? |
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| 17:07.49 | Borg^Queen | I think alsa but I'm not sure |
| 17:08.00 | Borg^Queen | Alsa and arts are the only things installed it seems |
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| 17:08.15 | asg | Borg^Queen: try alsamixer. |
| 17:08.19 | Borg^Queen | ok |
| 17:08.40 | Borg^Queen | Not installed. |
| 17:08.47 | Borg^Queen | one sec installing now |
| 17:09.08 | oKtosiTe | I have my locale set to en_US, but instead of the 12 hour time display, I would like to see a 24 hour clock. How would I go about this? |
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| 17:09.18 | rj` | k |
| 17:09.43 | rob_lt | Borg^Queen, you should also install the alsa-oss package. |
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| 17:09.53 | oKtosiTe | Borg^Queen, 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
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| 17:09.59 | shingoki | oKtosiTe, locale for what? |
| 17:10.04 | lexxan | How do I load fbpanel on startup with openbox? |
| 17:10.07 | Borg^Queen | rob_lt: Aye its in there thanks. oKtosiTe 2.6 |
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| 17:10.31 | asg | lexxan: put it in your ~/.xsession file (before the 'exec /usr/bin/openbox' line) |
| 17:10.43 | asg | lexxan: make sure to put '&' after fbpanel or it will hang. |
| 17:10.46 | lexxan | Well gdm is loading openbox |
| 17:11.01 | lexxan | i put fbpanel & in .xsession and it didn't load |
| 17:11.01 | CyL | How do I enable ls colors within su? |
| 17:11.17 | greycat | CyL: don't. |
| 17:11.21 | greycat | That's just horrid. |
| 17:11.25 | oKtosiTe | Borg^Queen, since 2.6, alsa is better integrated with the kernel, just make sure you never load the oss modules, some autodetection might do that for you too. |
| 17:11.28 | Gathond | CyL: make the same alias for ls as root as your user have |
| 17:11.29 | CyL | greycat: no way to do that? |
| 17:11.32 | usn | hi all |
| 17:11.33 | greycat | CyL: it's idiotic. |
| 17:11.34 | asg | lexxan: well, since gdm doesn't apparently honor ~/.xession, find out where gdm gets session data (/etc/X11/*) |
| 17:11.38 | greycat | you don't want a colorful root. |
| 17:11.45 | greycat | it'll tempt you to *stay* root when you should not. |
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| 17:11.57 | CyL | Gathond: where do I set the alias? |
| 17:11.59 | asg | heh |
| 17:12.01 | _gecko | 1201//quit |
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| 17:12.18 | asg | greycat: unless you make everything a horrible magenta and yellow. |
| 17:12.20 | mrgenixus | greycat: are you always like this? |
| 17:12.22 | CyL | Gathond: when I log on as root, I have the colors, but when I su to root I don't |
| 17:12.24 | Gathond | CyL: in roots shell configuration file, but I agree with greycat |
| 17:12.31 | greycat | mrgenixus: yes. |
| 17:12.32 | Borg^Queen | I still get error opening mixer |
| 17:12.51 | mrgenixus | greycat: ok; Cyl you nees to use the '-' option when you su |
| 17:12.56 | CyL | greycat: lol... |
| 17:12.58 | oKtosiTe | greycat's a riot at parties |
| 17:13.04 | mrgenixus | Cyl: 'su -' |
| 17:13.13 | mrgenixus | oKtosiTe: yeah? |
| 17:13.18 | greycat | oKtosiTe: I'm the one who's *not* drunk and hanging out of the 3rd floor window by his ankles. |
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| 17:13.28 | CyL | mrgenixus: I su'ing with su - |
| 17:13.40 | CyL | s/I/I'm |
| 17:13.43 | mrgenixus | and but if you login as root, there are colors? |
| 17:13.51 | CyL | mrgenixus: Yeap |
| 17:13.54 | mrgenixus | only when you su there are not? |
| 17:14.02 | mrgenixus | that's kindof wierd |
| 17:14.03 | CyL | mrgenixus: exactly |
| 17:14.23 | mrgenixus | is your shell set for root? |
| 17:14.39 | Borg^Queen | I still get error opening mixer, any ideas? |
| 17:14.47 | CyL | mrgenixus: set as bash |
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| 17:14.55 | CyL | mrgenixus: /bin/bash |
| 17:14.59 | asg | Borg^Queen: #debian-kde might know (since you are running arts and all that.) |
| 17:15.13 | mrgenixus | I dunno, I don't have that problem |
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| 17:16.08 | oKtosiTe | Borg^Queen, did you set alsa up correctly; alsaconf? |
| 17:16.32 | Borg^Queen | I think so , the sound is working |
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| 17:17.50 | CyL | mrgenixus: just one more questions... where do the bash go? For example, if I want to put some time stamp in its prompt, ow change thing, I should set it via variables. right? |
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| 17:18.12 | CyL | s/do the bash go/do the bash variables go |
| 17:18.13 | oKtosiTe | Borg^Queen, lsmod in #flood? |
| 17:18.18 | calyth | I'm running a laptop with 2.6.10 custom debian kernel, trying to hook up a Palm Tungsten T through usbserial + visor. I believe it runs devfs. However, it doesn't have ttyUSB0 device created. Did I do something wrong, or do I just have to adjust some kind of config file |
| 17:18.21 | mtnman | cyl: see the bash-prompt howto at tldp.org |
| 17:18.24 | Borg^Queen | oKtosiTe: ok |
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| 17:18.34 | mrgenixus | you need to edit ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile |
| 17:18.34 | CyL | mtnman: thanks |
| 17:18.44 | mrgenixus | modify the $PROMPT variable |
| 17:18.54 | mtnman | cyl: you're welcome. happy reading. |
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| 17:21.51 | IDC | on debian,how do i run exim ? |
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| 17:22.07 | mtnman | icd: apt-get install exim. |
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| 17:22.26 | asg | IDC: it can be run in a 1000 ways depending on what you want it to do. |
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| 17:23.41 | IDC | asg, if exim is running i should see it with ps aux ? |
| 17:23.46 | IDC | but whatever i do,i do not see it |
| 17:24.21 | asg | IDC: only if it's running as a daemon. |
| 17:24.45 | oKtosiTe | Borg^Queen, I'm sorry I can't be more helpful. |
| 17:24.53 | Borg^Queen | oKtosiTe: ok |
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| 17:25.07 | IDC | asg,i disabled inetd,anyway let me restart it to test |
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| 17:27.02 | meleh70 | hay |
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| 17:33.21 | giupy | wioch is the command to config exim4? i have installed exim4-config.... |
| 17:33.31 | asg | giupy: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 17:33.43 | giupy | asg k thanks |
| 17:34.21 | wwallace | how do i make #kaffeine window always on top? |
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| 17:37.09 | ChassWork | hi. im' looking for a form/frame editor (generate .xrc file or sometihng thta wxPython can load) |
| 17:37.12 | ChassWork | any ideas? |
| 17:37.26 | asg | ChassWork: have you asked #python |
| 17:37.43 | wrong_m_s_b_magi | hi, what is a magic super master block in fs? |
| 17:37.45 | ChassWork | they all suggest things that dont have debian packages, and id rather use a package for it |
| 17:38.10 | mrbuckets | Does anyone have an idea as to why after having mysql uninstalled on my sarge box, the attempt to reinstall it "apt-get install mysql-server" yields the error "ERROR: There's not enough space in /var/lib/mysql/"? |
| 17:38.39 | asg | mrbuckets: is there enough space in /var? |
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| 17:39.42 | PerfDave | mrbuckets: Is there enough space in /var/lib/mysql? :) |
| 17:39.56 | greycat | how much space *is* there? |
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| 17:40.04 | greycat | (df -k /var/lib/mysql) |
| 17:40.11 | PerfDave | greycat: > < this much |
| 17:40.15 | hume | hi...anyone could advice me to a good backup program for backing up data on CD / DVD, that is available as deb? I know there is a range, but any preferences? with Gui? |
| 17:40.25 | PerfDave | greycat: The first thing you need to know about space is that it's big. |
| 17:40.29 | asg | hume: backuppc, bacula |
| 17:40.37 | asg | PerfDave: really big |
| 17:40.41 | PerfDave | hume: If you want something with a GUI to back stuff up to CD or DVD, try k3b |
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| 17:40.59 | greycat | why would you want a GUI to do a backup? |
| 17:41.04 | greycat | so cron can drool over it? |
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| 17:41.26 | hume | greycat, to manually easily choose whÃch files to backup... |
| 17:41.51 | asg | hume: /etc /home /usr/local and possibly /var |
| 17:41.56 | greycat | that's not a backup, then. it's ... burning an audio CD or something. |
| 17:42.25 | mrbuckets | PerfDave: well...Here's the thing. I'm running it on a VMWare box...so yes and no |
| 17:42.39 | hume | greycat, I see your point, maybe I am thinking in the wrong direction .. is there a howto or something on how to set up cron to do it? |
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| 17:42.49 | grogoreo | hi |
| 17:43.00 | mrbuckets | PerfDave: but I can install other packages, no problem |
| 17:43.05 | greycat | hume: man mkisofs && man cdrecord && man 5 crontab |
| 17:43.17 | wwallace | bash: backuppc: command not found |
| 17:43.20 | mrbuckets | and the disk is only partitioned into one big partition for / |
| 17:43.30 | furrywolf | wwallace: apt-get install backuppc |
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| 17:43.35 | MacCall | !tell sound |
| 17:43.38 | wwallace | i already did |
| 17:43.48 | asg | !tell MacCall about sound |
| 17:43.51 | grogoreo | I am in the middle of installing my printer, Epson R300 USB, and using the Gnome foomatic (or something) too to add it.I have got to the part where it asks for an Adobe PPD. I have the printer installed on Windows and also have Adobe Acrobat, I did a serach for the extension but they seem to be just Acrobat ones. |
| 17:44.20 | MacCall | asg: thx |
| 17:44.53 | shingoki | what is the fix for making "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" overwrite XF86Config, after having made manual alterations? |
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| 17:45.05 | greycat | shingoki: /msg dpkg x m5dsum |
| 17:45.08 | greycat | err. |
| 17:45.10 | greycat | shingoki: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 17:45.34 | wwallace | how do i remove bacula and backuppc? |
| 17:45.49 | wwallace | apt-get remove --purge bacula? |
| 17:45.49 | furrywolf | apt-get remove bacula backuppc |
| 17:45.51 | hume | wwalker, apt-get remove xxx? |
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| 17:46.09 | wwallace | whats the purge for? |
| 17:46.18 | hume | wwalker, remove config files |
| 17:46.19 | greycat | man apt-get; man dpkg |
| 17:47.02 | mrbuckets | PerfDave, any thoughts? |
| 17:47.04 | greycat | who'dathunkit. two nicks both starting with wwal. |
| 17:47.05 | shingoki | Would it maybe be nice if the reconfigure script told you that it wasn't overwriting your config file because of alterations? |
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| 17:47.21 | MacCall | where can i found information about configuring an alsa soundcard in sarge ? (i use a kernel 2.6.x and my sndcard if conpiled as a module in it) |
| 17:47.25 | CyL | s there a way to let only a specific user to mount a volume? |
| 17:47.29 | greycat | shingoki: file a wishlist bug |
| 17:47.44 | shingoki | I'll have a look at doing that, but you think that would be a good thing? |
| 17:48.02 | greycat | shingoki: use autofs and group permissions on the mount point? |
| 17:48.11 | greycat | err. |
| 17:48.16 | greycat | CyL: use autofs and group permissions on the mount point? |
| 17:48.21 | CyL | greycat: got you |
| 17:48.25 | furrywolf | shingoki: I think that all programmers who check for errors then exit silently without telling you about them should be hit with a club until they get it. :P |
| 17:48.43 | shingoki | yup :) |
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| 17:48.51 | mrbuckets | a club with spikes |
| 17:48.59 | greycat | furrywolf: it could be argued that this is not an error. |
| 17:49.04 | wwallace | how do i close the console? quit exit or what? |
| 17:49.11 | mrbuckets | wwallace: logout |
| 17:49.14 | mrbuckets | or exit |
| 17:49.15 | greycat | wwallace: what happened when you tried those two commands? |
| 17:49.24 | CyL | greycat: well, the problem is, even if I set group permisions tothe mount point, when I mount the fs (wich is a fat32) it still remains ro |
| 17:49.26 | mrbuckets | :! |
| 17:49.33 | wwallace | command not found |
| 17:49.41 | greycat | CyL: but you're not using autofs. you're using mount/fstab. |
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| 17:49.55 | greycat | wwallace: and for exit? |
| 17:49.58 | furrywolf | greycat: how much extra work is it to add "fprintf(STDERR, "Configuration file has changed; not overwriting.\n");"? :) |
| 17:50.05 | wwallace | ok |
| 17:50.08 | CyL | greycat: Sure I am... |
| 17:50.09 | wwallace | greycat thanks |
| 17:50.17 | CyL | greycat: thanks for the hint |
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| 17:50.43 | furrywolf | wolve? |
| 17:50.43 | rob_lt | I just use ctrl-d to logout... nice and quick. |
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| 17:50.57 | ReignWolve | wot? |
| 17:51.09 | resiak | !tell CyL -about vfatrw |
| 17:51.21 | greycat | if you two are going to fight to see who's the leader of the pack, do it outside. |
| 17:51.27 | furrywolf | just wondering it that's a wolf or something else. :) |
| 17:51.40 | furrywolf | greycat: you know you'd be tastey with a bit of ketchup? |
| 17:51.51 | ReignWolve | wolve is short for wolveshart |
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| 17:52.37 | CyL | resiak: thanks buddy, this was kind of a solution I was looking of, although I'll still look for what autofs is... |
| 17:52.51 | CyL | s/looking of/looking for |
| 17:53.15 | greycat | resiak: oh, you cheated! you read his mind and saw the question he didn't ask. |
| 17:53.31 | greycat | and here I am, answering the question he actually *did* ask.... :/ |
| 17:53.43 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 17:53.59 | marcel_ | hi |
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| 17:54.17 | Andisoftm | has anyone here had a problem when setting up woody, of x finding no useable screens? |
| 17:54.26 | furrywolf | !anyone |
| 17:54.26 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 17:54.33 | greycat | Andisoftm: everyone who has a geforce 4, probably. |
| 17:54.43 | CyL | greycat: lol... thank you also buddy... |
| 17:54.44 | mrbuckets | Andisoftm: yes |
| 17:54.46 | greycat | one wonders why *anyone* is attempting to install X on woody. |
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| 17:55.40 | oKtosiTe | greycat is on a roll |
| 17:55.49 | greycat | no, he's on a chair. |
| 17:55.49 | Andisoftm | greycat: whats wrong with trying x on woody? |
| 17:55.55 | ciaron | how do i add a user to a group without deleting it from existing groups? |
| 17:55.56 | furrywolf | lol |
| 17:55.58 | greycat | Andisoftm: nothing wrong with *trying* it. |
| 17:56.05 | greycat | Andisoftm: but to take it seriously? that's laughable. |
| 17:56.08 | asg | ciaron: adduser user group |
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| 17:56.16 | Smerdyakov | The latest testing postgresql package asks for a password when upgrading.... I have no idea which password it wants. Any idea? |
| 17:56.34 | marcel_ | question: some downloads do not give a file size in the http header, is that something that can be set in a webserver like apache? |
| 17:56.37 | ciaron | asg: does that work if the user and group already exist? |
| 17:56.45 | Andisoftm | greycat: yer.. the company that made my monitor made one and then went out of business |
| 17:56.45 | doub | Smerdyakov: i think it's mE(4'F6 |
| 17:56.51 | asg | ciaron: yes, it just adds the user to that group. |
| 17:56.56 | resiak | greycat: Sorry ... I just thought he'd STFU. |
| 17:56.59 | ciaron | asg: ok cheers |
| 17:57.20 | greycat | Andisoftm: so what's that have to do with you using woody instead of sarge? and what's it have to do with X configuration other than your looking up the H/V specs in the manual and typing them in? |
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| 17:57.30 | Smerdyakov | doub, do you think my question is not reasonable? |
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| 17:57.42 | greycat | if X is going to fail, it'll be because of your video chipset, not your monitor, unless your monitor is *really* bizarre. |
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| 17:58.02 | resiak | Smerdyakov: You sure it's not asking you to _supply_ a password? |
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| 17:58.06 | crashbg | how can i resize active partition? my /home partition? |
| 17:58.10 | Smerdyakov | resiak, it just says "Password:". |
| 17:58.24 | Smerdyakov | resiak, after "Apply security update to <name of alphabetically first database>". |
| 17:58.24 | mrbuckets | crashbg: with some tlc |
| 17:58.36 | asg | crashbg: with parted (make sure you have a backup since it is not a guaranteed process.) |
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| 17:58.43 | resiak | :-/ |
| 17:58.46 | doub | Smerdyakov: that seems a reasonable question, but how could we know it? |
| 17:58.49 | mrbuckets | and partd |
| 17:58.49 | mrbuckets | : ) |
| 17:58.52 | mrbuckets | parted |
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| 17:59.25 | Smerdyakov | doub, I'm not asking which exact password to use. I'm asking how an arbitrary person would figure out what password to enter. For example "It's your root password" would be one answer, except it's not correct. |
| 17:59.44 | resiak | Smerdyakov: Did you set a password when you installed pgsql? |
| 18:00.05 | Smerdyakov | I don't remember doing so. |
| 18:00.15 | crashbg | well ok, i started parted /dev/hda6 |
| 18:00.16 | Smerdyakov | It was years ago, though. |
| 18:00.21 | doub | Smerdyakov: obviously, if it's not a password to set, someone might have entered one. or maybe is it just the blank password |
| 18:00.24 | crashbg | i have option resize |
| 18:00.34 | asg | crashbg: make sure you remounted it ro |
| 18:00.35 | Smerdyakov | doub, or maybe it's a bug in the package, and someone here knows about it... |
| 18:00.53 | doub | Smerdyakov: it can also be a blank password, but it's now refused because of the default security policy. go figure |
| 18:01.01 | crashbg | asg, how? |
| 18:01.11 | asg | crashbg: mount -o remount,ro /home |
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| 18:02.07 | crashbg | mount: /home is busy |
| 18:02.09 | Damm | what is the alioth line for getting KDE 3.4 in apt? |
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| 18:02.21 | asg | crashbg: find out what is using it. man fuser ; man lsof |
| 18:02.34 | asg | crashbg: also, it would a good idea to go to single user mode |
| 18:02.40 | RichiH | what's the name of the new testing-to-be, again? |
| 18:02.44 | greycat | etch |
| 18:02.46 | crashbg | ok, not it's more clear :) |
| 18:02.49 | crashbg | thanks |
| 18:02.56 | RichiH | greycat: thanks |
| 18:02.57 | crashbg | "now" i mean |
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| 18:03.31 | HansZ | Hi everyone |
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| 18:03.45 | HansZ | I'm trying to install a 'dockapp', but however it gave me errors about Xlib and such |
| 18:04.01 | resiak | HansZ: Define "errors about Xlib and such". |
| 18:04.15 | HansZ | resiak: well.. *takes compile errors* |
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| 18:04.35 | HansZ | resiak: well it can't find Xlibs |
| 18:04.41 | resiak | !install it |
| 18:04.44 | resiak | !installit |
| 18:04.44 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 18:05.02 | RichiH | also, did anyone already made a joke about retch? ;) |
| 18:05.14 | greycat | if so, I missed it. |
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| 18:05.21 | schrankwand | which tool you are using for opening zip-archives with linux? |
| 18:05.23 | resiak | !faq HansZ |
| 18:05.24 | dpkg | HansZ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:05.27 | greycat | schrankwand: unzip |
| 18:05.32 | schrankwand | thanks |
| 18:05.33 | Damm | !faq KDE |
| 18:05.34 | dpkg | KDE: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:05.45 | RichiH | greycat: expect them to come if anyone has install troubles, in the future ;) |
| 18:06.02 | HansZ | dpkg: why giving me a url? |
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| 18:06.03 | greycat | RichiH: we survived the woody jokes... |
| 18:06.09 | greycat | HansZ: because it was asked to do so. |
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| 18:06.22 | ReignWolve | got woody? |
| 18:06.32 | greycat | not for you. |
| 18:06.42 | dev7dev | hi, I can't see fonts in flash, I have installed flashplugin-nonfree, gsfonts and fsfonts-x11 |
| 18:06.45 | RichiH | greycat: :) |
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| 18:06.49 | ReignWolve | i don't want ur woody |
| 18:06.51 | dev7dev | Do I need something more? |
| 18:06.55 | marcel_ | dev7dev, try gsfonts-x11 |
| 18:06.57 | resiak | HansZ: Because I told him to, becuase you should read that page. |
| 18:07.18 | HansZ | Ok, thanks |
| 18:07.21 | HansZ | hello |
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| 18:08.07 | dev7dev | sorry, marcel_ I have it, but I wrote it badly, s/fsfonts/gsfonts/ |
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| 18:09.04 | kynes | hello |
| 18:09.14 | doub | hi |
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| 18:09.23 | kynes | where can I download a complete zip file or something of Debian manuals? |
| 18:09.42 | asg | kynes: apt-get install them |
| 18:09.59 | doub | asg: E: them: no such package ;) |
| 18:09.59 | asg | kynes: or do you mean the manpages? |
| 18:10.10 | kynes | no, no.. I don't mean manpages |
| 18:10.23 | kynes | I meanthe things at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals |
| 18:10.32 | kynes | I want all of them |
| 18:10.38 | dev7dev | should I remove msttcorefonts or other font packages? |
| 18:10.39 | kynes | and read offline |
| 18:10.39 | greycat | kynes: they are packaged, apt-cache search |
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| 18:11.23 | kynes | greycat: sorry I don't know exactly what to search |
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| 18:11.41 | asg | kynes: for each entry in the url above, apt-cache show <entry> |
| 18:11.54 | greycat | kynes: "debian manual" is a good start. |
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| 18:12.34 | IDC | how can i run exim without having run inetd ? |
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| 18:12.44 | resiak | IDC: By default? |
| 18:12.46 | greycat | configure it to run standalone |
| 18:12.55 | greycat | or use tcpserver, xinetd, etc. |
| 18:12.56 | asg | IDC: comment it out of inetd |
| 18:13.03 | IDC | because by running inetd its oepening too many ports that i dont need,like tcp 7/9/13 |
| 18:13.08 | kynes | okay thank you so much |
| 18:13.09 | IDC | opening* |
| 18:13.10 | greycat | IDC: you idiot. man inetd.conf |
| 18:13.12 | ruied | how do I copy a file mantaining the same permissions? |
| 18:13.12 | Smerdyakov | Has anyone else here had problems upgrading postgresql in testing? |
| 18:13.22 | IDC | oh |
| 18:13.27 | IDC | let me check |
| 18:13.28 | greycat | ruied: cp -a |
| 18:13.29 | asg | ruied: cp -a |
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| 18:13.50 | ruied | tx |
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| 18:14.42 | coll | for days ive been trying to get /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ and ip-down.d/ to somehow run my scripts and im just not getting it to work. could someone please advice? |
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| 18:15.03 | resiak | coll: If you were more specific, maybe someone could. |
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| 18:15.55 | FlopsyPete | I don't properly understand what to set a hostname to. I'm trying to setup Slash and get a response for the front page at the IP address but not for the FQDN |
| 18:15.58 | coll | resiak: ok. im connecting using my own shell script (not using pon or poff) and i've put my scripts in ip-up.d and ip-down.d yet these dont run on ppp0 up or when ppp0 goes down |
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| 18:16.10 | resiak | coll: Don't ask me, I have no idea. Ask the channel as a whole. |
| 18:16.30 | FlopsyPete | /etc/hosts has these: 10.0.0.20 file-server.home.org file-server |
| 18:16.39 | FlopsyPete | 10.0.0.20 autism.file-server.home.org autism |
| 18:16.40 | greycat | coll: I suspect they may be invoked by run-parts, so check your file names vs. the restrictions in man run-parts |
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| 18:17.14 | greycat | FlopsyPete: is this "Slash" some sort of apache web page? |
| 18:17.15 | coll | greycat: ive checked that too before, the names are just as explicit by run-parts |
| 18:17.26 | MacCall | bon allez... en piste pour une ubuntu x86_64 |
| 18:17.27 | greycat | FlopsyPete: if so, STOP LOOKING AT hosts(5)! It's all in the apache config files. |
| 18:17.31 | MacCall | bonne soirée les gens |
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| 18:17.36 | greycat | !fr |
| 18:17.36 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 18:17.40 | asg | MacCall: #ubuntu-fr |
| 18:17.41 | kynes | sorry to bother you but how can I learn system administration on an offline machine? |
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| 18:18.00 | kynes | I mean is there a way to practice offline? |
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| 18:18.09 | IDC | hmm,/usr/sbin/exim exim -bs |
| 18:18.10 | IDC | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.11 | asg | kynes: pretend 'lo' is the intraweb |
| 18:18.18 | PerfDave | kynes: Depends what you want to practice, really. |
| 18:18.23 | asg | IDC: man exim ; /-bs |
| 18:18.23 | FlopsyPete | greycat: slash is a Debian package for a slashcoded site; yeah its web. I'll have a look around httpd.conf then, thanks |
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| 18:18.31 | greycat | IDC: it stands for "become smart", by reading "man exim". |
| 18:18.47 | IDC | greycat, hehe |
| 18:18.49 | jasoncohen | i did a clone of my system and i made the mistake of setting debconf to kde. When i installed, i didn't get to configure anything. It just said "can't initialize frontend: kde" |
| 18:18.54 | zenlunatic | I'm having trouble with mpg321. Whenever I stream a file it says, "Playing MPEG stream from lamrim.com ..." and goes to "[0:00] Decoding of lamrim.com finished." Instantly. Am I missing a flag or something? |
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| 18:19.05 | jasoncohen | is there a way to re-run all those config scripts? |
| 18:19.10 | greycat | jasoncohen: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 18:19.11 | kynes | PerfDave: hmm thanks.. can you give an example about what I can't practice? |
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| 18:19.59 | jasoncohen | greycat: thanks, now how do i reconfigure all the apps which couldn't be configured? |
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| 18:20.10 | Unskill3d | how do i install xchat themes ? |
| 18:20.13 | greycat | jasoncohen: one at a time, I imagine. |
| 18:20.23 | asg | xchat has themes? |
| 18:20.28 | Unskill3d | put the theme content of the gz into the plugin dir ? |
| 18:20.34 | Unskill3d | asg yes |
| 18:20.42 | phaedral | hi all |
| 18:20.49 | kynes | what is rutebook? |
| 18:21.11 | asg | kynes: apt-cache show rutebook |
| 18:21.12 | douglas | when i vnc in it goes straight to the desktop without any desktop manager login .. how can i switch the default from gnome to kde? |
| 18:21.16 | phaedral | I can't figure out how to play ogg of boring school lecture while also listening to soma.fm; will grovel for clues; it's a sarge box |
| 18:21.19 | eeEE | anyone know of a php binary > 4.3.3 that has the bundled gdlib working? |
| 18:21.24 | kynes | asg: sorry.. |
| 18:21.31 | eeEE | can't seem to find one anyplace |
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| 18:21.42 | VEKPOS | hello! is there a command to turn off the monitor? |
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| 18:21.44 | greycat | phaedral: get an SB live card. They can play two streams at once. |
| 18:21.46 | Glitch_Master | Heya. |
| 18:22.01 | greycat | phaedral: failing that, your other choices are ALSA with some magic hackery, or esd, which is also magic hackery. |
| 18:22.01 | VEKPOS | uhm i mean sreen, not monitor |
| 18:22.05 | Glitch_Master | How can I disable ssh automatically starting with boot? |
| 18:22.20 | greycat | Glitch_Master: grep -r ssh_not /etc |
| 18:22.22 | phaedral | magic hackery is probably beyond me; c'est la vie |
| 18:22.27 | asg | eeEE: sarge has php4.3.10 (and I know the gd library works) |
| 18:22.32 | Glitch_Master | greycat: Thanks |
| 18:22.33 | greycat | damn. |
| 18:22.35 | phaedral | thanks, though, for saving me futile searchin |
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| 18:22.46 | resiak | phaedral: Magic ALSA hackery is really quite easy. |
| 18:22.55 | resiak | phaedral: (Assuming you're already using ALSA?) |
| 18:22.55 | greycat | Glitch_Master: grep -r sshd_not /etc |
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| 18:23.05 | eeEE | asg: unfortunateley i'm looing for 4.3.3 or greater, apparently drupal needs it. |
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| 18:23.15 | Unskill3d | glitch 'touch ssh_not_to_be_run' |
| 18:23.16 | phaedral | resiak: you tempt me, start with "which alsa"? |
| 18:23.17 | asg | eeEE: and sarge has 4.3.10 which is > than 4.3.3 |
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| 18:23.23 | greycat | Unskill3d: hah! you did it too! |
| 18:23.33 | resiak | phaedral: Nope. lsmod | grep snd |
| 18:23.34 | phaedral | which alsa gives no love... |
| 18:23.52 | phaedral | nada |
| 18:23.54 | phaedral | :( |
| 18:23.59 | greycat | phaedral: if you were using alsa, you'd *know* it. |
| 18:24.06 | Unskill3d | greycat: why? what did i miss? |
| 18:24.06 | asg | eeEE: the drupal in sarge is also at 4.5.2 |
| 18:24.08 | phaedral | greycat: roger |
| 18:24.10 | zenlunatic | How do you stream using mpg321? |
| 18:24.11 | greycat | because you would've already jumped through the ALSA shaped hoop. |
| 18:24.12 | resiak | greycat: is that just anti-ALSA sentiment? |
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| 18:24.20 | greycat | Unskill3d: the 'd' in sshd. |
| 18:24.21 | zenlunatic | I mean listen to streams? |
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| 18:24.26 | Glitch_Master | greycat: This will be easy to start if necessary, right? |
| 18:24.38 | greycat | Glitch_Master: read the script which referred to that file. man rm. |
| 18:24.40 | eeEE | asg: 4.3.10 is considered newer? what do you know. thanks for the info. |
| 18:24.44 | Unskill3d | greycat: oh i c =) |
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| 18:24.54 | rob_lt | When I install from the sarge net install, it configures alsa automagically <shrug> |
| 18:25.04 | Glitch_Master | -r... |
| 18:25.13 | greycat | rob_lt: oh? That's not been my experience in rc2 and previously.... |
| 18:25.14 | asg | eeEE: unless the .3 in 4.3.3 includes a silent 0 making it 4.3.30 |
| 18:25.19 | greycat | rob_lt: is that new in rc3? |
| 18:25.32 | eeEE | asg: strange how versioning is numbered. |
| 18:25.36 | Glitch_Master | recursive? Eh... what about rm? |
| 18:25.42 | Glitch_Master | There was no rm involved, eas there? |
| 18:25.45 | Glitch_Master | was* |
| 18:25.46 | rob_lt | green_earz, it loads the alsa modules, I still have to install alsa-oss myself, and alsautils if I want to use them, but out of the box the alsa modules are loaded. |
| 18:25.51 | ubuntu | Hello it is possible to configure internet without password |
| 18:25.52 | greycat | Glitch_Master: if you create a file, rm is the opposite. |
| 18:25.53 | asg | eeEE: well, try it and see. |
| 18:25.56 | resiak | !tell ubuntu -about ubuntu |
| 18:26.01 | asg | ubuntu: the internet doesn't have a password |
| 18:26.10 | greycat | Glitch_Master: or did you TOTALLY not understand what "if [ ! -e /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run ]; then" meant? |
| 18:26.12 | ubuntu | sorry my account |
| 18:26.13 | rob_lt | green_earz, sorry, that was for greycat... why does xchat tab completion not work properly??? |
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| 18:26.24 | greycat | rob_lt: because it's not irssi? |
| 18:26.26 | asg | ubuntu: if you mean w/o the system 'root' password, no. (/msg dpkg i forgot root's password) |
| 18:26.32 | Glitch_Master | Um... |
| 18:26.35 | Glitch_Master | ._. |
| 18:26.45 | rob_lt | brb |
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| 18:26.48 | Glitch_Master | I didn't quite grasp that. No. |
| 18:26.49 | Glitch_Master | Anyway... |
| 18:26.50 | resiak | phaedral: uname -r ? |
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| 18:26.56 | Glitch_Master | greycat: sshd isn't vital, right? |
| 18:26.57 | greycat | Glitch_Master: ok, the newbie way then. dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 18:27.05 | greycat | Glitch_Master: *cough* |
| 18:27.09 | Glitch_Master | ... |
| 18:27.09 | phaedral | 2.4.27; resiak |
| 18:27.12 | greycat | it's vital to those of us who access our systems remotely! |
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| 18:27.21 | Glitch_Master | Right.. |
| 18:27.28 | Glitch_Master | Hence my removal of it, for a bit of security. |
| 18:27.32 | resiak | phaedral: You'reo n Sarge? |
| 18:27.55 | phaedral | not updated |
| 18:27.55 | ubuntu | no i mean the password for the account like gmx. when i start pppoeconf I don't want to save it |
| 18:27.57 | phaedral | on this box |
| 18:28.02 | phaedral | never got 2.6 going |
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| 18:28.36 | phaedral | resiak: prolly just let it wait |
| 18:28.36 | douglas | i got vncserver going, but it logs in default to gnome. I want kde. What i gotta dpkt-reconfig? please and thank you |
| 18:28.59 | chealer | douglas: maybe you want to try krfb instead of vncserver |
| 18:29.00 | streuner | ubuntu: ask in #ubuntu |
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| 18:29.18 | IDC | bye,all,night |
| 18:29.19 | resiak | phaedral: You'll want a 2.6 for ALSA to be sane. Why not apt-cache search ^kernel-image-2.6.8-2 and pick one that matches your processor, then install it? And reboot into it. Next, apt-get install alsa-utils alsaplayer alsa-base alsa-oss |
| 18:29.20 | Hobart | Glitch_Master -> Also: update-rc.d remove ssh would do it |
| 18:29.31 | douglas | chealer: can i tweak that in a terminal (i'm remote)? |
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| 18:29.48 | resiak | douglas: man vncserver ! |
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| 18:29.59 | douglas | resiak: You got it! |
| 18:30.10 | Dabian | modprobe parport_pc parport lp # that would be enough to get a parport for teh parralel printer awake, right? |
| 18:30.10 | Glitch_Master | Alright, next thing... |
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| 18:30.25 | Glitch_Master | Should FireFox be running in the background, without windows, and sucking up all of the memory? |
| 18:30.26 | resiak | douglas: I know! So do you! Read it! |
| 18:30.32 | resiak | Glitch_Master: No :) |
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| 18:30.40 | Glitch_Master | resiak: What's wrong? |
| 18:30.48 | resiak | Glitch_Master: It's dead. |
| 18:31.00 | douglas | resiak: You are so right, I'm all over it |
| 18:31.00 | Dabian | Glitch_Master: killall -SEGV firefox-bin |
| 18:31.00 | phaedral | resiak: 2.6 install falied last time i tried; the box is a bit of a bastard, and actually needs a clean install of sarge |
| 18:31.00 | phaedral | no worries |
| 18:31.00 | Glitch_Master | 'kay. I need to install it properly anyway. |
| 18:31.04 | chealer | douglas: I guess not, although you could if you can start X (despite using gnome) |
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| 18:31.19 | Glitch_Master | I've been running it from a compile into a directory within my home directory. Stupid, granted, but this was a few months ago. :P |
| 18:31.21 | fugit | Anyone have information about running Sun ONE Web Server 6.0 SP5, on debian. Tried google but came up short |
| 18:31.30 | Glitch_Master | Need to save my bookmarks, though. |
| 18:31.31 | resiak | chealer: Of course he can change it from a terminal. |
| 18:31.33 | Glitch_Master | Any idea where they're stored? |
| 18:31.38 | douglas | parenthetically, is there a vnc equiv that seemlessly incorporates file transferring into the client? |
| 18:31.39 | jayc | I need to mount an NFS share from a SCO v5 box on a Debian Sarge server, which is working but the permissions are too restrictive can someone tell me how to get it to mount writeable by everyone? |
| 18:31.39 | resiak | douglas: Find out how to set up an xsession file. |
| 18:31.45 | resiak | douglas: sftp? |
| 18:31.46 | ircdevil | i just plugged this usb printer in and installs cups. now, in the setup http://localhost:631/ i choose this what # usb printer? how can i tell what device it is? |
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| 18:32.21 | streuner | ircdevil: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 18:32.30 | chealer | resiak: I don't understand, do you mean there's another way than manually editing the configuration files? |
| 18:32.33 | douglas | resiak: i know how to do that .xsession stuff but i'd like to do it globally so when i adduser someone they already got it, but they still have their own unique changes to the desktop that they may make |
| 18:32.55 | Delph | douglas: /etc/skel/* ? |
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| 18:33.05 | resiak | Delph: Damn your fingers. |
| 18:33.05 | douglas | Delph: ok i'll check it out |
| 18:33.17 | resiak | chealer: That's the only way to do it. :-) |
| 18:33.18 | douglas | Thanks fellas i think i got enough to keep me busy |
| 18:33.20 | Phated | resiak: I'm sure they're lovely fingers. |
| 18:33.23 | cspan | hey, can i use apt-get or dpkg to install a kernel module? |
| 18:33.28 | Delph | fear the fingers |
| 18:33.32 | douglas | cspan: totally baby |
| 18:33.36 | Phated | Phear the phingers. |
| 18:33.42 | cspan | and how do i do it? |
| 18:33.42 | chealer | resiak: I think we just misunderstood each other, I was talking about configuring krfb, not vncserver |
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| 18:33.49 | resiak | chealer: Aahhhhh. Sorry. |
| 18:34.02 | douglas | cspan: apt-cache search kernel-image|more |
| 18:34.06 | mrbuckets | phated: philangie |
| 18:34.12 | chealer | resiak: no problem...he did ask about vncserver :| |
| 18:34.13 | douglas | pick one and apt-get install the mother |
| 18:34.13 | cspan | uhm |
| 18:34.19 | Phated | mrbuckets: Phine. |
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| 18:34.21 | djo_ | does anyone know exactly how /boot/grub/stage1 gets generated? |
| 18:34.27 | mirak | hi |
| 18:34.30 | mrbuckets | Phated: Phantabulous |
| 18:34.32 | Phated | cspan: Sorry, no, you can't. |
| 18:34.39 | douglas | bada-bing you got a new kernel and lilo/grub should preserve the old one if the new one is br0ked |
| 18:34.40 | Phated | mrbuckets: Phor phuck's sake. |
| 18:34.46 | mirak | I have a problem configuring v4l |
| 18:34.54 | mirak | WARNING: couldn't find framebuffer base address, try manual |
| 18:34.54 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.55 | resiak | !a problem |
| 18:34.58 | resiak | :-( |
| 18:35.10 | Phated | resiak: Dunno what you're talking about. |
| 18:35.11 | Phated | XD |
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| 18:35.24 | resiak | bugger all, i dunno, Phated |
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| 18:35.41 | mrbuckets | Phated: I'm phresh out of phonetic puns... |
| 18:35.48 | douglas | roughly how many different countries have their own tld? |
| 18:35.52 | douglas | ballpark |
| 18:35.54 | resiak | Phated: Hahahah. |
| 18:35.56 | Phated | mrbuckets: Hah, phinally. |
| 18:36.17 | phaedral | important to know phriend phrom pho on #debian |
| 18:36.38 | Phated | phoe. |
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| 18:37.10 | phaedral | Phated: s/phriend/mate/ s/pho/meal/ |
| 18:37.10 | RichiH | douglas: iana |
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| 18:37.20 | douglas | !iana |
| 18:37.21 | dpkg | iana is, like, the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority. |
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| 18:37.38 | RichiH | hey helix |
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| 18:37.44 | RichiH | http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm |
| 18:37.49 | helix | hello |
| 18:37.57 | douglas | ok word richih |
| 18:37.58 | Phated | helix! |
| 18:38.14 | helix | hey la |
| 18:38.15 | RichiH | douglas: 248 |
| 18:38.22 | eeEE | is debconf in dialog mode the ncurses interface? |
| 18:38.32 | Phated | helix: No one says "hey la". |
| 18:38.39 | helix | why not? |
| 18:38.53 | douglas | Hot damn that's a lot.. yo richi tell me if this a badass way to count.. I'm gonna copy that off of firefox, fire up pico, double click my mouse, exit/save, then cat thefile.txt|wc -l |
| 18:38.59 | Phated | helix: It just isn't said. |
| 18:39.08 | helix | Phated: I need to learn valid singlish |
| 18:39.08 | phaedral | can't let it alone; pho = soup, vietnamese style... |
| 18:39.14 | rilat | hi. After compiling a new kernel, while booting, I get "modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.11.9/modules.de: No such file or directory" and then a "kernel panic - not syncing" follows. I checked that the files exists... so I don't know anything else to do.... |
| 18:39.28 | Phated | helix: Hahaha. I never thought I'd hear the day someone said "valid Singlish". |
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| 18:39.34 | helix | I know right |
| 18:39.41 | helix | well, aiui, 'shud' is valid for 'should' |
| 18:39.44 | resiak | douglas: Why involve pico? |
| 18:39.55 | Phated | helix: It pains me to see how well you know this. |
| 18:39.57 | douglas | resiak: you mean versus nano? |
| 18:40.08 | resiak | douglas: Select the text in Firefox. Open a terminal. cat - | wc -l , middle click, Ctrl-D. |
| 18:40.08 | helix | Phated: I have to deal with singaporeans |
| 18:40.13 | helix | I know about le and lor too! |
| 18:40.14 | douglas | ressiak: just want to count the number of lines on a webpage |
| 18:40.20 | chealer | Dabian: are you really a member of FSF? |
| 18:40.20 | Phated | helix: It's leh. |
| 18:40.20 | douglas | resiak: oh snap |
| 18:40.25 | coll | its so frustraing |
| 18:40.33 | Phated | helix: Rather, "it's leh hor". |
| 18:40.34 | greycat | douglas: man wc |
| 18:40.47 | coll | it seems impossible to find any answer to ip-up and ip-down not runing the scripts in their directories |
| 18:40.53 | helix | Phated: oh, I saw it typed and it said le and lor |
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| 18:40.59 | helix | invalid singlish :( |
| 18:41.00 | douglas | re greycat |
| 18:41.15 | Phated | helix: Heh. It can be spelt either way, I suppose. |
| 18:41.44 | helix | ah well |
| 18:41.46 | helix | Phated: give me more |
| 18:42.08 | resiak | Phated: Translate! |
| 18:42.10 | greycat | coll: you double-checked their names against the restrictions of run-parts? |
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| 18:42.13 | Phated | helix: You'll need to catch me with my friends sometime, I can't just... come up with Singlish. |
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| 18:42.36 | coll | yea |
| 18:42.37 | douglas | btw the answer to my original question is 248 different country tlds |
| 18:42.38 | helix | Phated: so you speak singlish? |
| 18:43.00 | Phated | helix: I grew up here, it really is unavoidable. |
| 18:43.11 | coll | greycat: the filenames are just fine. its for example 01rcfirewall in ip-up.d/ |
| 18:43.12 | helix | that's funny |
| 18:43.13 | douglas | resiak: know off hand a package that syncs the system clock with some time server out there? |
| 18:43.14 | helix | I like it |
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| 18:43.29 | Delph | douglas: what, like something that talks ntp ? |
| 18:43.30 | Dabian | chealer: Yes. |
| 18:43.35 | resiak | douglas: Yes. |
| 18:43.37 | helix | Phated: you need to write an english->singlish translator |
| 18:43.43 | Dabian | chealer: :) |
| 18:43.45 | douglas | cool, just checking |
| 18:43.45 | helix | so I can filter my .sg bound email through it |
| 18:43.48 | Phated | helix: Hell no. I would not spread that evil firther. |
| 18:43.52 | helix | plz |
| 18:43.55 | PerfDave | Singlish? |
| 18:43.57 | chealer | Dabian: cool, what are you doing to be a member? |
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| 18:44.05 | creature | What's the correct way for me to adjust my X mouse sensitivity? Ever since I installed sarge one mouse wheel "notch" has been counting as two notches, and the pointer is far more sensitive than it used to be. |
| 18:44.12 | Phated | helix: Don't wan le. |
| 18:44.19 | helix | PerfDave: the singaporean version of aolspeek |
| 18:44.25 | helix | PerfDave: :D |
| 18:44.26 | helix | er |
| 18:44.28 | helix | Phated: ^ |
| 18:44.30 | douglas | Delph: umm yeah ntp |
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| 18:44.33 | Phated | :P |
| 18:44.48 | PerfDave | helix: kekekeke ^_^ |
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| 18:44.50 | Phated | helix: Have you ever heard it spoken, or only typed? |
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| 18:44.56 | Phated | PerfDave: ... |
| 18:44.58 | helix | Phated: my boss does a good impression of it |
| 18:45.07 | Dabian | chealer: https://www.fsf.org/associate/join/am_join_form1 |
| 18:45.15 | Phated | helix: That scares me mildly. |
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| 18:45.51 | helix | Phated: well, he actually talks to the sgs |
| 18:45.59 | Phated | helix: Ah. |
| 18:46.09 | chealer | Dabian: oh, I meant what are *you* doing in FSF? |
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| 18:47.34 | aidehua | How can I tell the value of the X resource '*VT100.font5'? |
| 18:47.34 | rubia | a que tal |
| 18:47.44 | greycat | !es |
| 18:47.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:48.11 | Dabian | chealer: I'm an associate member - that means I get to donate a hand full money each year. :-) |
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| 18:48.25 | Dabian | chealer: There are some benefits though, for instance this cloak. |
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| 18:48.37 | chealer | Dabian: haha, yeah, ok |
| 18:48.41 | Dabian | :) |
| 18:48.59 | rubia | olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 18:49.01 | chealer | I don't think you can do that for debian |
| 18:49.10 | chealer | even Overfiend apparently has no cloak |
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| 18:49.21 | Dabian | chealer: I've been using free software for so long, so when I heard fsf was allowing card holding associate members, I just had to become a member. |
| 18:49.31 | chealer | :) |
| 18:49.51 | rubia | no entendet nada |
| 18:49.52 | chealer | is there a student price like freenode? ;) |
| 18:50.00 | Dabian | chealer: Dunno about freenode |
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| 18:50.12 | chealer | rubia: #debian-es |
| 18:50.20 | Dabian | chealer: The first question on the link I gave you, is "Are you a student?" though. . . . |
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| 18:50.24 | Dabian | chealer: ;-) |
| 18:50.52 | asuffield | chealer: it's just that Debian developers by and large have more sense than to bother with such ludicrous wastes of time |
| 18:50.58 | chealer | Dabian: yeah, but FSF should be more expensive anyway. freenode is only 16 USD for students |
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| 18:51.18 | chealer | asuffield: sure :) |
| 18:51.22 | rubia | no entender nada |
| 18:51.36 | chealer | after the sarge release, maybe DDs will get cloaks :) |
| 18:51.49 | chealer | and X.org, and AMD64 |
| 18:51.55 | asuffield | I doubt developers will spontaneously become more stupid because sarge releases |
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| 18:52.51 | Dabian | chealer: I don't know the price for students. Again, I considered the joy I had of all the free software I have used, and considered what I would have payed for proprietary software to do the same. It turned out to be quite a bargain .. even though I didn't figure out the numbers exactly .. it pretty fast became clear that it was the cheaper option to become an associate member. |
| 18:52.52 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: I don't know... large quantities of alchohol will be imbibed... |
| 18:52.52 | greg_work | i'm trying to setup a dhcp group that contains the hw addresses of my workstations .. something along the lines of subnet 1.2.3.4 { max-lease-time 432000; .... group { ddns-updates on; max-lease-time 1814400; host ws001 { hardware ethernet 00:0a...; } } } |
| 18:53.10 | greg_work | but whenever one of those systems gets a lease, it expires in 10 minutes .. i've tried a couple diferent lease times |
| 18:53.19 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: developers by and large have more sense than to use computers while drunk. even while drunk :P |
| 18:53.21 | chealer | hehehe dondelelcaro |
| 18:53.25 | greg_work | any other system gets a lease time of 1 day |
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| 18:53.42 | Phated | Hasn't a large amount of code been written under the influence of alcohol/drugs? |
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| 18:54.08 | dondelelcaro | Phated: everything ever written has bee |
| 18:54.09 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: they're more likely to build a giant chicken out of whatever is to hand, or something |
| 18:54.09 | asg | Phated: what, emacs |
| 18:54.09 | Phated | Hah. |
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| 18:54.13 | dondelelcaro | greg_work: you have to set the default lease time... |
| 18:54.34 | asuffield | Phated: I think most code is merely written under the influence of being an idiot :P |
| 18:54.43 | Phated | Ah. |
| 18:54.51 | Phated | That explains emacs, too. |
| 18:55.01 | greg_work | dondelelcaro: oh, sorry.. i did.. default-lease-time 86400; for subnet, and 1209600 for the group (sorry, meant to put that, not max-lease-time) |
| 18:55.05 | dondelelcaro | greg_work: default-lease-time; some clients are too stupid to pick a large lease when they can do it |
| 18:55.20 | streuner | hehe |
| 18:55.35 | greg_work | i WAS trying to give a lease time of 365 days, then turned it down because i thought maybe it was too big |
| 18:55.46 | asuffield | Phated: that either means 'to move sideways like a crab' or 'to sink this ship', neither of which are appropriate methods of escape :P |
| 18:56.02 | streuner | Phated: because someone doesn't like something doesn't mean its nonsense... |
| 18:56.04 | dondelelcaro | greg_work: ok, then that's what the dhcp server is sending out, most likely. It's still possible that the machine is requesting a smaller lease time, or the packets are otherwise being munged |
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| 18:56.20 | Phated | And resiak too. |
| 18:56.27 | Phated | streuner: Indeed not. |
| 18:56.28 | greycat | resiak: you mean her booty? |
| 18:56.33 | asg | arrrgh |
| 18:56.36 | Phated | Ahem. STILl HERE. |
| 18:56.38 | asuffield | greg_work: yes. too long. |
| 18:56.39 | dondelelcaro | greg_work: if you doubt it, run tcpdump and see the packets that are being sent out |
| 18:56.45 | asuffield | greycat: that was bad, even for you |
| 18:57.24 | mae | asuffield: what ever happened to y-windows, interest lost? |
| 18:57.24 | resiak | greycat: Tsk. |
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| 18:58.05 | asuffield | mae: it was never my primary interest, and Mark's busy with real life stuff. probably pick it up again later |
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| 18:58.40 | mae | asuffield: it looked like it had potential :).. oh well Xorg is cleaning up the old xfree alot |
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| 18:59.14 | simonrvn | and actually not be monolithic anymore. that's a feat... |
| 18:59.17 | asuffield | mae: nah, mostly they're adding two lines of new cruft for every one they remove |
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| 18:59.36 | asuffield | simonrvn: it's really not that difficult, just time consuming. all that changed is that they're willing to do it now |
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| 19:00.05 | chrisjoen | is it possible to mount NTFS read/write nowadays? |
| 19:00.21 | asuffield | chrisjoen: has been for a long time. don't expect the filesystem to survive the process |
| 19:00.21 | simonrvn | asuffield: yeh, that's the feat to me, having the patience |
| 19:00.23 | greg_work | i set it to two days, and it still gives a 10 minute lease |
| 19:00.29 | chrisjoen | heh |
| 19:00.45 | asuffield | greg_work: the client probably doesn't want more than ten minutes |
| 19:00.53 | chrisjoen | asuffield, I know it's been experimental for a while, but I didn't mean that |
| 19:01.09 | asuffield | chrisjoen: basically, nobody really cares about writing to ntfs |
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| 19:01.10 | greg_work | asuffield: i dont see why. its my win2k laptop that was working fine until i set this group up ;) |
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| 19:01.29 | Raenius | asuffield: I care.. :( |
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| 19:01.35 | chrisjoen | is it possible to make NTFS readable to all users then? |
| 19:01.42 | asuffield | of course, same way as fat |
| 19:01.54 | lexxan | chrisjoen, umask 0222 |
| 19:02.10 | lexxan | here's my /etc/fstab entry |
| 19:02.14 | lexxan | /dev/hda1 /winxp ntfs umask=0222 0 0 |
| 19:02.15 | chrisjoen | oh, thanks! |
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| 19:03.37 | WillR | I have an online signup form. and as soon as the sign up completes...a command is sent to a server which adds the users username and password. Is there anyway I can make the command add the user 24 hours AFTER the sign up .. rather than immediately .. is there an adduser --delay command kind of thing? would like to keep it automated |
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| 19:03.58 | asuffield | WillR: at |
| 19:04.08 | vitriol | does anyone know if SDL_image has png support built in? |
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| 19:04.24 | hellfire | vitriol: try it. |
| 19:04.34 | vitriol | hellfire: what? |
| 19:04.37 | WillR | at? |
| 19:04.46 | asuffield | at. |
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| 19:04.49 | vitriol | hellfire: how do i check? |
| 19:04.56 | hellfire | vitriol: did you try to work with an png image already? |
| 19:04.57 | asuffield | really elementary unix... |
| 19:05.09 | WillR | pretend i didnt go to elementary unix school ? |
| 19:05.16 | asuffield | then read the damn manpage |
| 19:05.17 | cmc | WilR: man at? |
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| 19:05.29 | vitriol | hellfire: i need it for something that is checking for it in a configure script |
| 19:05.35 | WillR | i didnt realise at was a thing.. i thought mebbe the typin got cut off.. heh |
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| 19:05.45 | hellfire | vitriol: huh? |
| 19:05.47 | vitriol | hellfire: i'm getting "configure: error: *** Unable to find SDL_image library with PNG support" |
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| 19:06.17 | hellfire | vitriol: ah. |
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| 19:06.36 | vitriol | you'd think SDL_image would support something as common as png |
| 19:06.44 | simonrvn | yeh... |
| 19:06.52 | drac | vitriol: libsdl-image1.2-dev installed? |
| 19:07.01 | simonrvn | though it's a separate package IIRC |
| 19:07.05 | drac | (or are you even trying to compile something..) |
| 19:07.09 | vitriol | :o |
| 19:07.13 | vitriol | drac: no, thats not installed |
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| 19:07.36 | drac | vitriol: basically 'apt-cache search libsdl', look what you need yourself :) |
| 19:07.55 | vitriol | drac: yeah i did that but i guess i had the wrong thing installed :\ |
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| 19:08.17 | ruied | my network cards doesn't work with kernel 2.6 is there any changes from 2.4 to 2.6 with the network card? |
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| 19:08.26 | nwo` | dpkg hangs with 100% cpu and I can't kill it (even kill -9). I just installed a kernel.deb. Any ideas how to kill it? |
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| 19:08.35 | justin | ruied: what is "my network cards"? |
| 19:08.50 | valdyn | ruied: is there any driver interface that did not change from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 19:09.03 | ruied | eth0 eth1 rtl8139 |
| 19:09.07 | budluva | is it possible to burn .img's in linux? i load the .img in k3b and it shows as win_32 filesystem, if you want to know its a dvdr |
| 19:09.22 | ruied | they don't work with the 2.6 kernel |
| 19:09.38 | WillR | (asuffield): thx |
| 19:10.02 | valdyn | ruied: they? who? |
| 19:10.08 | valdyn | ruied: which card are you trying to get to run |
| 19:10.24 | justin | ruied: maybe because there is no "rtl8139" driver anymore? |
| 19:10.32 | ruied | eth0 and ethy with the rtl8139 chip |
| 19:11.17 | ruied | justin: ? |
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| 19:11.41 | ruied | valdyn eth0 and eth1 with the rtl8139 chip... |
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| 19:12.27 | shara | Does anyone know of a good and fast distribution / software for an old k6-2 366 w/ 64mb of ram (i.e. window managers, web browsers, etc) |
| 19:12.47 | hellfire | shara: debian |
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| 19:13.00 | simonrvn | debian works |
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| 19:13.06 | ApEtc | shara: Debian will do fine on that hardware |
| 19:13.07 | shara | That's what I'm running right now (unstable iso from last night) but its not very snappy. |
| 19:13.13 | simonrvn | yes, we're biased, but it's true |
| 19:13.18 | greg_work | shara: what do you expect people in #debian to say? :) |
| 19:13.20 | shara | err testing iso |
| 19:13.24 | Isumi | shara, debian with fvwm |
| 19:13.38 | simonrvn | might want to fine tune the video, and the scheduler |
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| 19:13.47 | valdyn | ruied: ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/net/ |
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| 19:14.05 | shara | What about a web browser with a low mem footprint (firefox uses >20mb) |
| 19:14.23 | simonrvn | append="video=atyfb,scrollback:128k elevator=deadline" |
| 19:14.29 | greg_work | shara: maybe try dillo .. though its pretty basic |
| 19:14.40 | simonrvn | (deadline on scsi drives)++ |
| 19:14.43 | peterS | shara: elinks, dillo, w3m |
| 19:14.51 | peterS | shara: or links2 -g |
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| 19:15.27 | shara | Thank you greg, peter |
| 19:15.32 | simonrvn | hmm, i think i'll work on that x86 - try to get the floppy drive to work |
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| 19:16.38 | ruied | valdyn: tx |
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| 19:17.45 | spuer | How do I configure Tomcat4 for multiple users? |
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| 19:18.28 | spuer | I have installed tomcat4 and webapps, it works fine. |
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| 19:18.48 | TwistedEmotions | If there is six of one process running and I want to kill all of them do I have to type all 6 process ID's? Isn't there a way to kill by name? |
| 19:19.16 | DeFi | killall name -9 |
| 19:19.19 | bbrazil | TwistedEmotions: killall (linux only - other unices can do weird things), pgrep |
| 19:19.22 | hellfire | twisted: killall -SIGKILL {name} |
| 19:19.23 | ruied | where is the /proc/pci in kernel 2.6? |
| 19:19.29 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: kill `pidof <name>` or "killall <name>" |
| 19:19.30 | simonrvn | TwistedEmotions: yes. pkill, or ok to run on linux, killall |
| 19:19.31 | bbrazil | s/pgrep/pkill |
| 19:19.33 | spuer | yup ... kill -9 pid |
| 19:19.41 | simonrvn | hellfire: um, not kill |
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| 19:19.50 | simonrvn | NO, NOT KILL |
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| 19:20.02 | hellfire | simonrvn: why? he said kill. |
| 19:20.06 | TwistedEmotions | killall name -9 right? |
| 19:20.08 | spuer | NOT KILL ... terminate |
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| 19:20.26 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: -9 is stupid |
| 19:20.28 | hellfire | good: then: killall -SIGTERM {name} |
| 19:20.30 | simonrvn | WTF do people use KILL on a process that doesn't need it. you need to give it a chance to clean up after itself. you might end up mking a zombie out of it |
| 19:20.47 | greycat | out of its parent. |
| 19:20.49 | simonrvn | TERM is the default |
| 19:20.54 | greycat | errr, no, you had it right. |
| 19:21.05 | spuer | How do I configure Tomcat4 for multiple users? |
| 19:21.41 | simonrvn | spuer: tried #tomcat? |
| 19:21.41 | edward__ | hm.. proftpd just updated still it segfault after auth was a success... :( who know of this problem... it's in proftpd (1.2.10-11) |
| 19:21.41 | spuer | is there any tutorial for tomcat4 with multiple users |
| 19:21.48 | shara | Wow, Dillo works great. Anyone know of a lighter IRC and IM client? (xchat >15mb) |
| 19:21.51 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: -9 should be reserved for emergency b/c it can and will fuck you sooner or later. |
| 19:22.04 | TwistedEmotions | Haha... I started a kill way.. |
| 19:22.08 | hellfire | shara: ircII (console) |
| 19:22.12 | simonrvn | shara: irssi. though if you have a lot of scripts running, it'll bloat a bit |
| 19:22.22 | shara | any gtk apps? |
| 19:22.24 | TwistedEmotions | I used killall -SIGTERM xmms |
| 19:22.31 | TwistedEmotions | *war |
| 19:22.35 | simonrvn | that's fine |
| 19:23.02 | simonrvn | you also need to give the process to exit once you've told it to do so |
| 19:23.05 | greycat | shara: any console IRC client will be less than 15 MB. |
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| 19:23.24 | shara | I was just hoping to find a lightweight gtk client |
| 19:23.25 | simonrvn | give time for the process to exit* |
| 19:23.40 | TwistedEmotions | simonrvn: KK... and if it doesnt? |
| 19:23.45 | simonrvn | shara: no, better off with a console one |
| 19:24.04 | hellfire | simonrvn: what if i have a zombie process? is there a way to remove it? i mean without rebooting? |
| 19:24.04 | TwistedEmotions | simonrvn: Then kill it without sigterm? |
| 19:24.10 | simonrvn | TwistedEmotions: most of the time it will. if it doesn't then send a -2, and give that time to work |
| 19:24.12 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: TERM is the default. |
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| 19:24.31 | valdyn | hellfire: a zombie "process" is already dead, you cant kill it |
| 19:24.48 | TwistedEmotions | Thanks guys.. |
| 19:24.54 | simonrvn | hellfire: usually getting rid of the PPID. but if the PPID is 1, you're fucked. and yes, it's already gone if Z |
| 19:25.19 | bbrazil | if the PPID is 1, init should reap it in its own time |
| 19:25.34 | simonrvn | not always. but usually |
| 19:26.01 | hellfire | ok |
| 19:26.35 | hellfire | what means getting rid of the ppid? |
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| 19:26.42 | simonrvn | parent pid |
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| 19:26.48 | hellfire | ah! |
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| 19:27.47 | hellfire | how do i know the parent pid of a process. as far as i know top or ps won't show it? |
| 19:27.59 | simonrvn | they can |
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| 19:28.06 | hellfire | or at least i didn't try yet. |
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| 19:28.19 | koollman | hellfire: try pstree, it's easy |
| 19:28.23 | greycat | hellfire: ps will show it. |
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| 19:28.56 | greycat | "ps -l" in the SysV universe, or "ps l" in the BSD. |
| 19:29.29 | mrbuckets | Flishdox |
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| 19:30.41 | hellfire | wow! pstree rules! |
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| 19:31.26 | saabin | how do you login in windows nt with active directory via ftp , I am having trouble using ncftp "domain/user" ? |
| 19:31.27 | RichiH | hellfire: never knew of that. nice! |
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| 19:31.47 | simonrvn | ps -l axw \n F S UID PID PPID C PRI NI ADDR SZ WCHAN TTY TIME CMD |
| 19:31.54 | hellfire | astounding how you can find a cool tool after some years of using this OS. cool! |
| 19:31.56 | Aronofsky | hi guys |
| 19:32.03 | greycat | simonrvn: or you could mix the two universes. |
| 19:32.12 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 19:32.48 | Aronofsky | little question, can someone tell me why amule is not available anymore from apt on testing, and according will it be back soon ? |
| 19:32.49 | simonrvn | though you can't stick in 'u', it conflicts |
| 19:33.08 | simonrvn | well, ps whines |
| 19:33.18 | TwistedEmotions | WAit... you guys didnt know ps -l existed? |
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| 19:33.31 | simonrvn | saw it, don't usually use it |
| 19:33.40 | hellfire | twisted: now i know. |
| 19:33.44 | TwistedEmotions | I've seen it but I only see 2 id's.. |
| 19:33.49 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: it's amazing how much people don't know. |
| 19:33.51 | TwistedEmotions | so useless for me |
| 19:33.58 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: ps -el |
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| 19:34.16 | simonrvn | the more you find out, the more you realise how little you do know |
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| 19:34.33 | greycat | simonrvn: "It's complicated." |
| 19:34.39 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: Well my e button on my keyboard does work... I *KNEW* there was a -e option... DUHHH |
| 19:34.58 | simonrvn | ;). quite |
| 19:35.05 | greycat | 08:37 Guerin> "As a person's knowledge and understanding of a given topic increases, the most valuable thing they can say to those who are less familiar with this topic is "It's Complicated."' |
| 19:35.20 | tarzeau | cool prozilla crap was removed from debian |
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| 19:35.39 | juanmals | does anybody know what linux does linus use? |
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| 19:35.50 | simonrvn | tarzeau: yay |
| 19:35.51 | TwistedEmotions | What was prozilla? |
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| 19:36.12 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: download-and-rape-servers-parallely |
| 19:36.13 | simonrvn | a POS which abused resources, and for the hype was totally false |
| 19:36.14 | drac | juanmals: linux is just a kernel by linus. |
| 19:36.20 | juanmals | I know |
| 19:36.24 | greycat | !stop prozilla |
| 19:36.24 | dpkg | stop prozilla is, like, http://dominia.org/djao/limitipconn.html -- an apache module to limit concurrent connections from a single IP address, or apt-get install libapache-mod-limitipconn |
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| 19:36.31 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: Ahhh... |
| 19:36.33 | simonrvn | so you're question is moot, juanmals |
| 19:36.40 | juanmals | I mean what distro does he use? simple curiosity |
| 19:36.56 | asuffield | uhh... suse |
| 19:36.59 | asuffield | used to, anyway |
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| 19:37.13 | xophEr | how do I make a launcher to ask me for the root pw, when trying to run a root-only application? instead of just saying I dont have the privileges. |
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| 19:37.35 | greycat | xophEr: look into sudo. |
| 19:37.36 | resiak | xophEr: man gksu |
| 19:37.37 | hellfire | xophEr: sudo? |
| 19:37.44 | bbrazil | xophEr: sux |
| 19:37.53 | TwistedEmotions | would killall all -9 restart? |
| 19:37.58 | greycat | or good old su -c 'command to run' |
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| 19:38.08 | xophEr | hm ok |
| 19:38.08 | TwistedEmotions | or just crash? |
| 19:38.12 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: try it and see.... *duck* |
| 19:38.16 | TwistedEmotions | haha |
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| 19:38.36 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: Let me SSH into your and I promiss I will.. |
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| 19:39.08 | hellfire | twisted: i think it would complain about all not being an option and optionally trying to kill the process named restart. |
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| 19:39.17 | Aradorn | ok trying to setup debian now, and i need to partition this 160 gig hd... I wanna keep probably 80 or so gigs of it for a NTFS partition. So how should I setup the other 80 gigs? |
| 19:39.25 | Aronofsky | anyone can give me some information about amule disapearance ? |
| 19:39.26 | TwistedEmotions | hellfire: Oh... |
| 19:39.43 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: Then its safe to run... try it.. |
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| 19:40.14 | hellfire | twisted: no no, i dont know if its save. |
| 19:40.23 | simonrvn | Aronofsky: BTS |
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| 19:40.29 | stew | !why is amule not in testing |
| 19:40.31 | TwistedEmotions | Ohhh no... MobyTurbo is bad... EVERYONE hates him! |
| 19:40.31 | dpkg | amule is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=amule |
| 19:40.31 | greycat | $ ssh pegasus killall all -9 |
| 19:40.31 | greycat | bash: line 1: killall: command not found |
| 19:40.37 | greycat | hey, you're right. it's perfectly safe :) |
| 19:40.44 | TwistedEmotions | I mean hey MobyTurbo ;) |
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| 19:40.51 | Aronofsky | simonm, BTS, what does it mean , |
| 19:40.53 | hellfire | puh! |
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| 19:40.58 | greycat | Aradorn: /topic |
| 19:41.12 | MobyTurbo | TwistedEmotions: hello |
| 19:41.26 | simonrvn | @tell Aronofsky -about bts |
| 19:41.32 | TwistedEmotions | Aronofsky: BTS - butane teller system. |
| 19:41.51 | hellfire | (beer targeting system) |
| 19:41.52 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: I thought it was "By Thor's Scrotum"! |
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| 19:42.06 | xophEr | whats the difference with /usr/bin and /usr/sbin? |
| 19:42.13 | greycat | xophEr: read the FHS |
| 19:42.13 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: that's their sister company.. |
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| 19:42.35 | TwistedEmotions | hellfire: Poor beer. |
| 19:42.55 | TwistedEmotions | xophEr: the "S" |
| 19:43.05 | hellfire | xophEr: i think that the sbin is for system binarys and the bin for any other binarys. |
| 19:43.15 | TwistedEmotions | Jesus... how am I not a admin yet? |
| 19:43.18 | xophEr | ok, thanks again |
| 19:43.23 | xophEr | :) |
| 19:43.27 | TwistedEmotions | xophEr: Sure. |
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| 19:43.53 | hellfire | !BTS |
| 19:43.53 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 19:44.07 | TwistedEmotions | that's wrong... |
| 19:44.13 | TwistedEmotions | someone screwed that up.. |
| 19:44.37 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: How? |
| 19:44.41 | simonrvn | how is that fucked up? |
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| 19:45.09 | TwistedEmotions | TwistedEmotions:BTS - butane teller system. |
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| 19:45.26 | TwistedEmotions | It's a butane drive through place... |
| 19:45.34 | TwistedEmotions | dont forget your cannister. |
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| 19:46.06 | xophEr | my synaptic isnt in $PATH anymore, only as root. so I can start it only as root, any ideas on fixing this? |
| 19:46.39 | simonrvn | edit your $PATH? you have the answer already |
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| 19:46.48 | TwistedEmotions | later guys... I need sleep... half dillusional.. |
| 19:46.48 | resiak | xophEr: It never was? |
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| 19:47.27 | incorrect | im trying to install cacti from backports, but i hav mysql 4.1 installed, anyone got cacti wok |
| 19:47.31 | xophEr | resiak, well I have been able to start it before, now it just says 'failed to execure child process' or whatever |
| 19:47.32 | incorrect | work |
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| 19:47.47 | resiak | !vaguenesssmite xophEr |
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| 19:48.32 | _TwistedEmotions | Holy shit... guys... click on a windows and drag your mouse to the corner of the screen... as if you were trying to drag it off of the screen... it's dope! |
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| 19:48.48 | _TwistedEmotions | Keep the mouse held down. |
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| 19:49.09 | hellfire | _twisted: what wm? |
| 19:49.17 | Wargre | window manager |
| 19:49.22 | Wargre | ? |
| 19:49.25 | _TwistedEmotions | XFCE4.. |
| 19:49.25 | conga | hey how come i can't modprobe anything it gives me an error saying QM_MODULES: function not implemented |
| 19:49.36 | greycat | !qm_modules |
| 19:49.36 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 19:49.43 | conga | ah :D |
| 19:49.43 | simonrvn | !qm_modules |
| 19:49.46 | simonrvn | meh |
| 19:49.47 | conga | thanks greycat |
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| 19:50.17 | hellfire | _twisted: hm. im using fluxbox and it pulls the window to a new workspace. |
| 19:50.22 | Wargre | someone have a "SiS 162"wifi chipset |
| 19:50.22 | Wargre | ? |
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| 19:50.33 | _TwistedEmotions | hellfire: Yeah.. that's dope. |
| 19:50.38 | Wargre | i know |
| 19:50.43 | _TwistedEmotions | hellfire: or at least I thought so.. |
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| 19:51.02 | Wargre | is it work with ndiswrapper? |
| 19:51.08 | hyph-n | hi - |
| 19:51.10 | hellfire | no youre right! valuing the little things of life! |
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| 19:51.33 | hyph-n | can anyone give me a quick hand with installing drivers for Wifi...? |
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| 19:51.49 | hyph-n | bye |
| 19:51.56 | greycat | !applaud hyph-n |
| 19:51.56 | dpkg | *clapclap* good show, hyph-n |
| 19:52.15 | hellfire | lol |
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| 19:52.23 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 19:52.23 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a kitten. |
| 19:52.36 | greycat | lies, all of it. |
| 19:52.38 | hyph-n | <insert canned laughter here> |
| 19:52.49 | ircdevil | hmm ok i have compiled hplip according to the instructions, however, my printer does not show up in cupsys? |
| 19:53.02 | odjosc | hi to all... |
| 19:53.04 | steve0 | Anyone know how to change the priority of a program already running? |
| 19:53.11 | scytheman | renice |
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| 19:53.21 | hellfire | steve0: renice |
| 19:53.52 | greycat | SEE ALSO |
| 19:53.52 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.56 | greycat | !smite nice(1) |
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| 19:54.35 | odjosc | I'm not sure this is the right place to ask but... I've got a strange problem with kernel 2.6.11.9 & X & MSI K7T Turbo2 card... |
| 19:54.39 | simonrvn | i hate seeing that in ma pages |
| 19:54.42 | simonrvn | man* |
| 19:55.48 | ircdevil | GRRRR - now, would i be needing the usb printer support module compiled with the kernel ... |
| 19:56.04 | mtnman | simonrvn: ma is a far cry from man. |
| 19:56.06 | sparr_ | what is the hotkey to swap to my 7th X session? after ctrl-alt-F12 |
| 19:56.15 | hellfire | i have to leave. it's time for the other tv without keyboard. cu. |
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| 19:56.27 | hyph-n | bie |
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| 19:56.43 | stew | sparr_: ctrl-alt-f13? |
| 19:56.44 | MobyTurbo | odjosc: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 19:57.01 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: there? we play #bub-n-bros |
| 19:57.04 | sparr_ | stew: i havent had a f13 key in about 10 years |
| 19:57.33 | tcsetattr | from a text console, rightalt (AltGr) + F1 gives tty13. But from an X session, it might not work |
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| 19:58.04 | tcsetattr | so you could ctrl-alt-F1 to ge tto the tty1 (hopefully in text mode), then altgr+F1 |
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| 19:58.36 | ircdevil | sod it - ill recompile tomorrow ... nite all |
| 19:58.40 | aeho | anyone here with experience of running unreal tournament GOTY under debian? |
| 19:58.44 | steve0 | me |
| 19:58.47 | simonrvn | mtnman: that's for sure =) |
| 19:59.07 | aeho | I have a bad problem |
| 19:59.13 | steve0 | aeho: you have to use a script to uncompress the files for GOTY |
| 19:59.26 | mtnman | simonrvn: a good example of how big a difference a single letter can make. |
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| 19:59.37 | aeho | I have installed it already with http://www.princessleia.com/UT.html tutorial |
| 19:59.37 | simonrvn | mtnman: eyup |
| 19:59.42 | ZaFiL | Hello all :) |
| 19:59.48 | honschu | I sadly deleted all files in /dev - how to recover them? |
| 19:59.53 | odjosc | <MobyTurbo> I made a self-configured kernel which is ok except the mouse doesn't respond under X/KDE. The XF86Config-4 is OK as it works with kernel 2.4.XX. mousedev and psmouse (PS/2 mouse) modules are correctly loaded and ...If I put this harddisk in another PC, the mouse works under X, even with kernel 2.6.11.9. Strange isn't it ??? |
| 20:00.05 | greycat | honschu: man MAKEDEV |
| 20:00.10 | aeho | but when I start it, it gives some kind of error |
| 20:00.13 | greycat | honschu: don't forget to cd first. |
| 20:00.19 | steve0 | aeho: what is the error |
| 20:00.35 | conga | hey man now i get Unknown symbol mii_ethtool_sset |
| 20:00.37 | conga | and a lot more |
| 20:00.47 | honschu | greycat: Great! Thx!!! |
| 20:00.48 | aeho | first everything wents ok, but then: LoadMap: Entry |
| 20:00.49 | aeho | Failed to load 'Entry': Can't find file 'Entry' |
| 20:00.49 | conga | when i do modprobe |
| 20:00.49 | mtnman | odjosc: maybe the mouse ps2 port in the computer #1 is fried. |
| 20:00.52 | conga | can someone tell me |
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| 20:00.56 | aeho | and then comes a little list of errors |
| 20:01.07 | ZaFiL | A little question : how to download all links located on a web page , ie : I have a page contennainning more thant 500 link to pdf file and I want to dowload all off this links. Wget sucks for that because it is a website whith login acces. Can someone help me please ? |
| 20:01.08 | mtnman | odjosc: never mind. |
| 20:01.35 | odjosc | <mtnman> No fried PS/2 port as it works with kernel 2.4.x... |
| 20:01.39 | steve0 | aeho: looks like your maps are still compressed (maybe) |
| 20:01.41 | furrywolf | wget supports logins.... |
| 20:01.46 | Delph | ZaFiL: man wget && look at the http auth or the cookies options. |
| 20:02.00 | steve0 | aeho: bitchx just auto-ignored u sorry |
| 20:02.07 | steve0 | aeho: i dont know how to turn it off |
| 20:02.11 | ZaFiL | ok :-( |
| 20:02.11 | aeho | oh, any idea, how I can fix that? |
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| 20:02.32 | CyL | How do I set debian up so it starts kdm instead of gdm? |
| 20:02.34 | Delph | steve0: has quit [BitchX: Because I know best] |
| 20:03.00 | steve0 | Delph: ? |
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| 20:03.03 | honschu | greycat: Do you know the minor, major for /dev/dri/* - X need these devicefiles, but there are no |
| 20:03.06 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: in a bit? |
| 20:03.20 | greycat | honschu: I don't use DRI. |
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| 20:03.50 | odjosc | <Cyl> apt-get install kdm and choose KDE as session in login screen |
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| 20:04.04 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 20:04.08 | honschu | greycat: I would love to use it, but I do not know where the minor, major numbers for the devices are listed. |
| 20:04.15 | conga | greycat can ya join #flood |
| 20:04.16 | conga | ? |
| 20:04.19 | steve0 | aeho: read http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/33/2005/03/1/294230 |
| 20:04.20 | conga | i got errors |
| 20:04.22 | CyL | odjosc: thanks buddy... it was so simple i feel stupid |
| 20:04.40 | odjosc | <Cyl> no prob... |
| 20:04.43 | appaji | CyL: see /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 20:04.43 | aeho | oh |
| 20:04.44 | aeho | okay |
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| 20:04.56 | conga | greycat! |
| 20:05.07 | CyL | appaji: thanks |
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| 20:05.38 | simonrvn | conga: don't /msg me |
| 20:05.48 | RichiH | !msg |
| 20:05.48 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 20:05.50 | conga | ok sorry |
| 20:06.01 | conga | can you join #flood? |
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| 20:06.28 | simonrvn | i'm busy |
| 20:06.35 | conga | oh |
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| 20:06.52 | dondelelcaro | conga: use the paster bot. |
| 20:06.53 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 20:06.53 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 20:07.14 | odjosc | Someone heard something about possible mouse problem undr X with kernel 2.6.11 and MSI K7T Turbo2 motherboard |
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| 20:07.49 | conga | http://rafb.net/paste/results/NeFpmO91.html |
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| 20:07.51 | conga | there |
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| 20:08.58 | dondelelcaro | conga: uh, that's either 1) not the Debian module 2) not the Debian kernel 3) Not the kernel for which that module was built |
| 20:09.31 | conga | i buildt my kernel from source |
| 20:09.40 | stouset | conga: Why? |
| 20:09.41 | dondelelcaro | conga: well, then rebuild it with the proper options. |
| 20:09.43 | conga | apt-get install gave me kernel panic |
| 20:09.54 | stouset | conga: I see...what kind of kernel panic? |
| 20:09.59 | munstah_gunjah | lol |
| 20:09.59 | conga | 2.4.27 |
| 20:10.08 | jason__ | how do you reconfigure the X server? |
| 20:10.14 | conga | cant mount root something |
| 20:10.40 | stouset | You forgot to put the initrd line in grub or lilo. |
| 20:10.48 | conga | oh |
| 20:10.49 | conga | :D |
| 20:10.58 | stouset | Sarge? Woody? |
| 20:11.01 | conga | sarge |
| 20:11.11 | stouset | Any reason you're sticking with 2.4? |
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| 20:11.25 | Aronofsky | actually nobody really answer my question, can anyone tell me why amule disapearde from apt in testing and if it will come back according to you ? |
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| 20:11.53 | conga | stouset: no i use 2.6.11.10 |
| 20:11.58 | conga | i dont use 2.4 |
| 20:12.06 | stouset | conga: Ah, okay. Grub? Or LILO? |
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| 20:12.30 | greycat | ooh, they're up to the eleventy-tenth version of 2.6 now. |
| 20:12.44 | maxxle | Hi! I connected my digi-cam with CF-Disk to my Debian-Box. In /var/log/messages i get: kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4. How can i mount the card? Already tried /dev/sd* but nothing there. |
| 20:12.45 | greycat | does it still suck? |
| 20:12.53 | stouset | greycat: When did it start? =P |
| 20:12.58 | conga | stouset: lilo |
| 20:13.10 | stouset | maxxle: You need usb-storage driver loaded. |
| 20:13.20 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 20:13.20 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 20:13.21 | stouset | conga: apt-get purge lilo; apt-get install grub |
| 20:13.28 | stouset | conga: It will make your life much, much easier. |
| 20:14.02 | maxxle | stouset: Is it a kernel-module I can insmod? |
| 20:14.03 | greycat | stouset: apt-get remove --purge, of course. |
| 20:14.04 | Aronofsky | anyone knows anything about it ? |
| 20:14.05 | stouset | greycat: Well, for all the hype about their new stance on kernel development, it seems to me it's been pretty damn stable as is. |
| 20:14.10 | stouset | maxxle: Yes. usb-storage. |
| 20:14.16 | maxxle | stouset: thx. |
| 20:14.20 | conga | let me try |
| 20:14.20 | stouset | greycat: Ah, right. My bad. |
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| 20:14.36 | idnar | aptitude purge works ;) |
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| 20:14.39 | stouset | greycat: I'm used to aptitude's command line options. |
| 20:14.54 | stouset | greycat: I forget they're not identical :-) |
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| 20:15.16 | conga | stouset, my problem was lilo? |
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| 20:15.21 | stouset | conga: When you're done installing grub, install 2.6 kernel from the Debian package. All your problems will magically disappear =P |
| 20:15.26 | stouset | conga: In a sense. |
| 20:15.40 | conga | oh |
| 20:15.50 | stouset | conga: You have to do the initrd manually, I believe. Or mess around with options somewhere in /etc. It's been awhile. |
| 20:15.51 | streuner | http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html <-- good idea or bad idea? |
| 20:15.59 | F-Lelo | For Brazilians: Company hiring Linux system administradors on Florianopolis - Santa CAtarina - Send your resumes to cv@trustix.com.br |
| 20:16.14 | stouset | conga: It's perfectly usable, but not as nice, simple, or amazing as grub. Grub will make your life easier. |
| 20:16.19 | simonrvn | F-Lelo: please don't spam |
| 20:16.30 | F-Lelo | simonm: alright :) |
| 20:16.32 | Aronofsky | please, id really like to have information about it ? |
| 20:16.33 | conga | i get used to lilo :D |
| 20:16.51 | stouset | Aronofsky: Packages disappear from sarge. |
| 20:16.59 | conga | lilo is easier right? |
| 20:17.03 | greycat | no. |
| 20:17.10 | stouset | Aronofsky: Sometimes bugs. Sometimes the maintainer decides it's not ready for Sarge. |
| 20:17.17 | stouset | conga: Not by a long shot. |
| 20:17.23 | streuner | what most people tell, according to that no |
| 20:17.34 | greycat | "what you're used to" is easier, probably. but lilo isn't inherently simpler than grub. |
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| 20:18.06 | conga | oh |
| 20:18.10 | stouset | conga: And grub comes with nice scripts that keep it automatically updated to whatever your installed kernels are. |
| 20:18.27 | stouset | conga: Not to mention, there's no need to "install" the new grub image every time you edit the config file. |
| 20:18.29 | Aronofsky | stouset, wo what should I do , install from source or have I another solution ? |
| 20:18.44 | munstah_gunjah | installing it for lilo isnt a problem |
| 20:18.46 | greycat | stouset: but you may have to run grub-update (or update-grub?) if you edit the comments that get parsed... |
| 20:18.47 | simonrvn | sometimes it gets pulled because it's too stupid |
| 20:18.50 | stouset | Aronofsky: Install the package from unstable if it's that big a deal. |
| 20:18.55 | munstah_gunjah | grub as a whole is a problem for nubs |
| 20:19.09 | greycat | munstah_gunjah: newbies should not be fucking with their kernels. |
| 20:19.16 | stouset | greycat: True enough. |
| 20:19.22 | munstah_gunjah | sure they should |
| 20:19.24 | stouset | greycat: Which makes grub perfect for newbies ;) |
| 20:19.33 | stouset | munstah_gunjah: Based on what reasoning? |
| 20:19.40 | munstah_gunjah | experience |
| 20:19.48 | munstah_gunjah | and learning what happens when shit hits the fan |
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| 20:20.02 | stouset | munstah_gunjah: So, you're saying I should begin my flying career in a 747? |
| 20:20.05 | munstah_gunjah | is that not reason anough? |
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| 20:20.19 | stouset | munstah_gunjah: Preferably one loaded with passengers. |
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| 20:20.27 | munstah_gunjah | omg so lilo == 747? |
| 20:20.27 | Aronofsky | stouset, how can I do that, and isn't it kinda riskee, im a afraid it becomes a mess with somme packages from unstables, others from testing ... ? |
| 20:20.33 | munstah_gunjah | lol |
| 20:20.49 | munstah_gunjah | not very good metaphor |
| 20:20.56 | simonrvn | 'risqué' |
| 20:21.01 | stouset | munstah_gunjah: No, fucking with your kernel when you have no clue what you're doing is just a bad idea. The whole concept of breaking shit to learn only applies when you have enough experience to be able to recover from the problem. |
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| 20:21.19 | munstah_gunjah | lol |
| 20:21.20 | simonrvn | touché stouset |
| 20:21.24 | MobyTurbo | "risky" in English |
| 20:21.31 | munstah_gunjah | i dont agree with you |
| 20:21.35 | stouset | Aronofsky: More than likely, it will be added back into Sarge before release. |
| 20:21.35 | munstah_gunjah | maybe thats your problem |
| 20:21.39 | Aronofsky | MobyTurbo, sorry lol |
| 20:21.40 | simonrvn | you don't have to agree |
| 20:21.46 | stouset | munstah_gunjah: It's..."my"...problem? |
| 20:21.48 | conga | stouset, when i install grub i dont need to edit anything right? |
| 20:21.53 | munstah_gunjah | it sure isnt mine |
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| 20:22.29 | munstah_gunjah | all im saying is lilo is straight forward |
| 20:22.31 | Aronofsky | stouset, and have you an idea when it will be ( approximatively ) |
| 20:22.32 | stouset | conga: Pretty much. You can check around in /boot/grub/menu.lst. There are a bunch of commented config parameters. DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM. However, if there are any you want to change, edit them, then run update-grub. |
| 20:22.37 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 20:22.37 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. |
| 20:22.40 | Torig | Hi. Have a system that boots up graphically, but libqt is broken; so it gets killed everytoime (system shutds down immediately before allowing me to log in). No floppy drive is in the machine; so we need to get the lilo prompt, but it will onl boot up the linux partition and we cannot get it tprompt (to go to emergency and/or single user mode). |
| 20:22.42 | stouset | Aronofsky: I am not the maintainer of the package. Check the BTS. |
| 20:22.43 | chrisjoen | I'm doing 'ssh -X ' to a solaris-host at my uni, however in the Xapps I open I can't seem to access AltGr+<key> combinations properly, anyone know of how to solve this? |
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| 20:23.05 | Torig | Can anyone tell me how to interupt lilo? Tried ctrl; alt, numlock; shift, scrollLock but these didn't work |
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| 20:23.19 | stouset | Torig: libqt is taking the entire system down? Wow. |
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| 20:23.33 | conga | oh thanks stouset:) |
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| 20:24.12 | endomandi | IDC: run? |
| 20:24.12 | Torig | stouset: looks like it... removed its path from ld.so.conf and since the system won't boot cleanly... |
| 20:24.21 | stouset | munstah_gunjah: No, you were saying it's perfactly desirable for newbies to futz around with kernels. From my time in here seeing about twenty people a day doing it and failing, I'm going to have to say that's probably not a good idea. |
| 20:24.38 | munstah_gunjah | no you suspected that |
| 20:24.42 | stouset | munstah_gunjah: Given, I have no statistics on how many newbies try it and succeed, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's probably not a high proportion. |
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| 20:25.16 | stouset | Torig: Well, but what I mean is, it's taking the whole system down? I can understand that it would prevent KDM from starting, but taking down the entire system? |
| 20:25.18 | munstah_gunjah | you where ranting on lilo |
| 20:25.27 | munstah_gunjah | and i added that its not as bad as you are sayin g |
| 20:25.32 | munstah_gunjah | ;D |
| 20:25.57 | stouset | (16:19:09) greycat: munstah_gunjah: newbies should not be fucking with their kernels. (16:19:22) munstah_gunjah: sure they should |
| 20:26.02 | Torig | stouset: the system shuts down cleanly, all I can tell you ;) but I'm more interested in getting back :-D |
| 20:26.05 | stouset | *ahem* =P |
| 20:26.09 | Torig | getting back in even ;) |
| 20:26.12 | MobyTurbo | munstah_gunjah: actually, lilo is worse for newbies. It's a lot easier to get in a bad state than grub. |
| 20:26.16 | stouset | Torig: Sure, sure. I was just incredibly surprised. |
| 20:26.26 | munstah_gunjah | < stouset> conga: And grub comes with nice scripts that keep it |
| 20:26.27 | munstah_gunjah | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.27 | munstah_gunjah | 13:18 < stouset> conga: Not to mention, there's no need to "install" the new |
| 20:26.27 | munstah_gunjah | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.27 | munstah_gunjah | 13:18 < Aronofsky> stouset, wo what should I do , install from source or have I |
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| 20:26.38 | simonrvn | plop |
| 20:26.39 | Torig | stouset: imagine my surprise :D |
| 20:26.45 | conga | grub is cool lol |
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| 20:26.50 | munstah_gunjah | heh |
| 20:26.55 | conga | let me reboot i hope it works this time :D |
| 20:26.56 | stouset | MobyTurbo: True enough. AFAIK, the update-grub script will crap out and not modify any of the existing entries if the options in it aren't in a sane state. |
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| 20:27.19 | stouset | conga: Before you reboot, do a sanity check on /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 20:27.25 | Torig | stouset: so, any idea on how to interupt lilo from nooting immediately? |
| 20:27.27 | stouset | conga: Does it have your kernel at the bottom? |
| 20:27.29 | green_earz | munstah_gunjah: grub works well with kernel upgrades |
| 20:27.35 | conga | yeah |
| 20:27.43 | munstah_gunjah | ok i never said it didnt |
| 20:27.44 | munstah_gunjah | lol |
| 20:27.49 | toukitsune | Does anyone know of a good CAD program on Debian? |
| 20:27.50 | stouset | conga: Also, check the docs first. I know you used to have to install it the first time you ran it, but I am not sure if that applies any more. |
| 20:27.55 | munstah_gunjah | all i was saying was lilo is not evil |
| 20:27.57 | conga | omg , how come it still boot on lilo |
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| 20:28.01 | conga | i removed lilo already |
| 20:28.03 | munstah_gunjah | and newbies shouldnt have a problem using it |
| 20:28.03 | MobyTurbo | stouset: even if menu.lst is not in a sane state you can always go to a bare grub prompt and type in the proper commands yourself. lilo has no such fail-safe mode. |
| 20:28.06 | conga | apt-get remove lilo? |
| 20:28.18 | stouset | conga: You *may* have to run grub-install /dev/hda (or whatever your MBR is) |
| 20:28.31 | stouset | MobyTurbo: Ah, true. Saved my ass on many occasions. |
| 20:28.36 | munstah_gunjah | ive never had a lilo problem upgrading kernel |
| 20:28.37 | munstah_gunjah | s |
| 20:28.47 | stouset | Torig: Sorry, though. It's been a long time since I've used lilo. |
| 20:28.56 | stouset | Torig: Can't tell you how to get it to prompt you, if it even can. |
| 20:29.19 | Torig | stouset: np, I'm using the graphical one myself and others I have I can interupt. But this one I can't :( |
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| 20:29.30 | jorgp_ | is kernel-source-2.4.27 not on the sarge weekly cd's? |
| 20:29.35 | Unskill3d | goodnight all and nice pinguin dreams |
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| 20:29.42 | greycat | jorgp_: apt-cache search kernel-sourc4e |
| 20:29.46 | greycat | s/4// |
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| 20:30.18 | streuner | hm |
| 20:30.38 | caereth | what could cause the chroot to the root partition to fail on bootup? The partition mounts perfectly from a livecd, and seems very intact. |
| 20:30.39 | jorgp_ | greycat: well, I used debian-cd on my local sarge mirror and can not kernel-source-2.4.27 on any cd |
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| 20:31.06 | green_earz | munstah_gunjah: i am a newbie and have had better results working with grub. setting up a software raid is a lot more straight forward using grub i think so |
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| 20:31.46 | munstah_gunjah | ok |
| 20:31.57 | Madmax | guys whats the chmod command to make dirs and sub dirs + files readable and writeable by all users? |
| 20:32.12 | toukitsune | Does anyone know of a good CAD program on Debian? |
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| 20:33.18 | streuner | Madmax: chmod -R o+r(w) /dir |
| 20:33.33 | Madmax | thx |
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| 20:33.59 | greycat | jorgp_: 2.4.27 is obsolete. sarge has 2.4.28 now. |
| 20:34.19 | greycat | jorgp_: that's why I specifically did NOT include "2.4.28" in the search string I gave you. |
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| 20:35.35 | conga | hey it works like a charm! |
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| 20:35.55 | jorgp_ | greycat: I am updating the mirror now |
| 20:36.05 | conga | thank you so much stouset :) |
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| 20:37.01 | stouset | conga: No problem. |
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| 20:37.15 | stouset | conga: And you can have a sexy Debian boot image if you want, to boot. |
| 20:37.33 | conga | yeah :) |
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| 20:38.37 | jorgp_ | greycat: when did that happen, I just updated sarge mirror with debmirror and did not get 2.4.28 |
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| 20:40.48 | keenan | I have an onboard graphics chip that steals main memory for video memory - does anyone know how I can tell linux to give it more video memory? |
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| 20:41.00 | keenan | It has to be at boot time, right? |
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| 20:41.53 | conga | lilo cant handle if your drive bigger than 100 gb right? |
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| 20:42.26 | starrider | i have registered a free dns name at yi.org...i want to be able to have it show me connect from "hostname.yi.org" when i connect to IRC...how do i do this? |
| 20:42.28 | keenan | conga: why not use grub? |
| 20:42.40 | conga | i'm just asking |
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| 20:43.03 | streuner | starrider: need to enable reverse DNS |
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| 20:43.40 | caereth | hmm. I can't even chroot to the partition from the live cd. chroot gets permission denied when it tries to run /bin/bash in the chroot |
| 20:43.44 | starrider | streuner: how? where? |
| 20:44.05 | WillR | hi.. im trying to use at to run commands at a later time. atd is running i type this at 14:45:00 -c rm /home/eraseme on the command line and get no errors.. but then nothing happens.. when the command was supposed to be run (just testing by trying to make it remove a file |
| 20:44.24 | streuner | starrider: dunno yi.org, but in dyndns.org you go to their site and just enable it... |
| 20:44.33 | starrider | oh |
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| 20:44.37 | ik-sparc | hi |
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| 20:45.00 | starrider | streuner, how do i force that to show up instead of cox.net? |
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| 20:45.19 | Lepton | Hello everyone! |
| 20:45.24 | ik-sparc | i have a problem, when i start x it says no core point found, and i think ths mouse is not detectect |
| 20:45.38 | greycat | ik-sparc: that's right, core pointer refers to the mouse. |
| 20:45.39 | conga | how do we install /dev/input/mice? |
| 20:45.42 | MobyTurbo | !hello Lepton |
| 20:45.44 | greycat | conga: /msg dpkg /dev/input/mice |
| 20:46.00 | jason_ | how do i turn off KDE's default one click setting to start a program? |
| 20:46.06 | jorgp_ | greycat: what is your suggestion for running a server 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:46.08 | conga | thanks greycat:) |
| 20:46.13 | jason_ | i did it before but i can no longer seem to find the setting |
| 20:46.25 | ik-sparc | greycat , o u know how can i fix that? |
| 20:46.34 | WillR | anyone help me with my 'at' problem ?? |
| 20:47.19 | greycat | jorgp_: 2.4. |
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| 20:47.22 | ik-sparc | is any way that i can configure the mouse? in terminal |
| 20:47.27 | naturalr00ts | i install uw-imapd |
| 20:47.28 | keenan | ah, I think the amount of memory to use for video memory must be set in my BIOS |
| 20:47.28 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 20:47.28 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:47.28 | naturalr00ts | and .. |
| 20:47.31 | keenan | brb |
| 20:47.42 | starrider | streuner: may i messag eyou? |
| 20:47.54 | naturalr00ts | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.58 | naturalr00ts | someone see this error |
| 20:48.01 | naturalr00ts | in uw-imap ? |
| 20:48.01 | streuner | starrider: why? there is no need to |
| 20:48.10 | greycat | naturalr00ts: nobody with sense would use uw-*. |
| 20:48.13 | streuner | starrider: i told you what i know... |
| 20:48.24 | conga | greycat i followed the instruction from dpkg but it didn't work still. |
| 20:48.25 | starrider | how do i tell my computer to use the dyndns instead of the cox hostname? |
| 20:48.28 | mrbuckets | !cows |
| 20:48.28 | dpkg | cows are animals that go moo |
| 20:48.40 | conga | when i start x it says can't open device /dev/input/mice |
| 20:48.42 | mrbuckets | !sex |
| 20:48.42 | streuner | starrider: if you can't find a solution, ask yi.org |
| 20:48.43 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 20:48.52 | phillipsjk | ik-sparc: gpm is used for the console mouse. |
| 20:48.59 | conga | and the xserver crash |
| 20:49.01 | MobyTurbo | !test |
| 20:49.01 | dpkg | No, mobyturbo, you're not online any more. |
| 20:49.39 | ik-sparc | phillipsjk so i just run it to configure? |
| 20:49.39 | MobyTurbo | hmm, I thought I was locked out or something. :-) |
| 20:50.03 | zumbi | hello, is there any place where i can ask the system about my memory map ? |
| 20:50.27 | phillipsjk | I have been editing /etc/gpm.conf |
| 20:50.39 | deadcat | conga: you have usbmouse loaded? |
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| 20:50.51 | greycat | conga: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
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| 20:51.12 | ik-sparc | and what hapend phillipsjk |
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| 20:51.43 | ik-sparc | greycat do u know how can debian detect the mous automatic? |
| 20:51.46 | jharrison | tarzeau: bub-n-bros? |
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| 20:52.04 | conga | oh i forgot to mode probe mousedev lol |
| 20:52.07 | conga | thank you greycat |
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| 20:52.16 | greycat | ik-sparc: install sarge. |
| 20:52.17 | r00tz | greycat: have idea? in uw-imapd? |
| 20:52.24 | streuner | ik-sparc: or mdetect |
| 20:52.24 | tarzeau | jharrison: of course! |
| 20:52.26 | greycat | r00tz: don't run uw-imapd. |
| 20:52.31 | greycat | for the love of Tux! |
| 20:52.34 | deadcat | whats the thing that shows how fast your car is going? |
| 20:52.43 | ik-sparc | ok |
| 20:52.44 | greycat | run ANY other imap server. dovecot, courier-imap, bincimap. |
| 20:52.45 | r00tz | greycat: what imap simple i need install? |
| 20:52.52 | r00tz | all right |
| 20:52.56 | phillipsjk | ik-sparc: My mouse does not work. I never had trouble configuring a serial mous in the past. (downgraded from ps/2 to canablise parts) |
| 20:52.59 | greycat | r00tz: you simple dovecot install good yesyes. |
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| 20:53.03 | joel_ | deadcat: spedometer? |
| 20:53.08 | joel_ | +e |
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| 20:53.17 | deadcat | jeff: thanks. (= |
| 20:53.24 | zumbi | what is /boot/System.map ? is it an interrupt (syscall ?) memory map ? |
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| 20:53.42 | greycat | zumbi: it's a file that ps(1) uses, among other things. |
| 20:53.50 | Nexus | Is there a package for installing Zend in debian? |
| 20:54.00 | greycat | zumbi: more accurately, it's an OBSOLETE FALLBACK for /boot/System.map-$(uname -r) which is what it SHOULD be. |
| 20:54.07 | streuner | Nexus: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:54.08 | deadcat | joel_: mine is dead. and the odometer is not moving either. only the RPM is working. |
| 20:54.33 | si|vercat | does anyone know if a lexmark x5250 all-in-one works in debian/linux? :P |
| 20:54.48 | deadcat | si|vercat: does it work on other distro? |
| 20:54.54 | joel_ | deadcat: my gas meter is dead, my odometer works though :) |
| 20:54.56 | Nexus | streuner, Yes, I already tried that. The descriptions of the files it produced weren't conclusive in my mind. I wanted to know if someone actually KNEW the answer. |
| 20:55.09 | deadcat | joel_: damn. how you know when to fill the tank.? (= |
| 20:55.18 | joel_ | deadcat: the odometer? ;) |
| 20:55.25 | si|vercat | deadcat: thats basically what I'm wondering.. :P |
| 20:55.26 | deadcat | joel_: gas meter |
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| 20:55.33 | deadcat | si|vercat: google? |
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| 20:55.55 | joel_ | deadcat: I reset the trip meter when I fill her up.. |
| 20:56.01 | zumbi | greycat, so you mean that it is not used (is obsolete), anyways, is there any file where i could see my (system) memory map? |
| 20:56.01 | deadcat | HAHAHAHA |
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| 20:56.16 | zack | how can i list which packages on a system have been installed from, say, experimental? |
| 20:56.22 | streuner | zumbi: <-- greycat has quit ("This time the bullet cold rocked ya / A yellow ribbon instead of a swastika") |
| 20:56.28 | deadcat | zack: cant. |
| 20:56.36 | zack | deadcat: damn. |
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| 20:56.59 | zumbi | oops, tnx streuner |
| 20:57.07 | mtnman | the xmms description says it needs a plugin for ogg-vorbis. which plugin? |
| 20:57.10 | streuner | zumbi: did you upgrade your kernel? |
| 20:57.24 | streuner | mtnman: heh? |
| 20:57.36 | si|vercat | deadcat: says it's confirmed not to work :P |
| 20:57.39 | zumbi | no, i was just reading about embedded linux systems |
| 20:57.44 | streuner | mtnman: xmms have ogg by default integradeted |
| 20:57.45 | r00tz | i install dovecot |
| 20:57.46 | r00tz | ii dovecot-common 0.99.14-1 secure mail server that supports mbox and ma |
| 20:57.46 | r00tz | ii dovecot-imapd 0.99.14-1 secure IMAP server that supports mbox and ma |
| 20:57.49 | r00tz | but// |
| 20:57.50 | deadcat | si|vercat: you're fucked.. for now (= |
| 20:57.56 | r00tz | port 143 don't open |
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| 20:58.02 | mtnman | streuner: is that a debianization? |
| 20:58.10 | deadcat | r00tz: /topic |
| 20:58.21 | streuner | mtnman: usual behavior, i guess |
| 20:58.22 | mtnman | streuner: apt-cache show xmms says it needs an ogg-vorbis plugin. |
| 20:58.42 | si|vercat | deadcat: real sad, cuz I just got it for my bday |
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| 20:58.52 | streuner | mtnman: to play music-files or video-files? |
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| 20:59.07 | mtnman | streuner: audio (not music) |
| 20:59.23 | deadcat | si|vercat: next time let them know if it aint linux compatable. DONT GIVE ME (= |
| 20:59.24 | mtnman | streuner: trying to connect to a shoutcast server |
| 20:59.31 | mtnman | icecast, actually. |
| 20:59.49 | streuner | mtnman: URL? |
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| 21:00.02 | mtnman | streuner: http://localhost |
| 21:00.07 | green_earz | mtnman: check out streamtuner for shoutcast |
| 21:00.15 | mtnman | streuner: http://localhost:8000, to be precise. |
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| 21:00.40 | abancroft | are there any known issues running Debian on Sager laptops? specifically http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=69706 ?? |
| 21:00.40 | mtnman | green_earz: is that an audio player? |
| 21:00.43 | furrywolf | fucking worthless paypal! I spend 47 minutes on hold, long-distance, to have the guy who answers the phone tell me they won't fix my account, don't care, and if I want to use paypal I should just open a new account. |
| 21:00.44 | zumbi | streuner, i was wondering, what is my physical memory map... on what address is the bootloader, rootfs, etc |
| 21:01.05 | strubbel | mtnman: try http://localhost:8000/ some client apps need the terminating slash e.g. mpg123 |
| 21:01.30 | mtnman | strubbel: ahah. iirc, xmms calls mpg123... |
| 21:02.01 | green_earz | mtnman: its like a text brower that uses xmms for shoutcast |
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| 21:02.15 | strubbel | mtnman: i don't know, it was just a suggestion |
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| 21:02.36 | mtnman | green_earz: i cannot parse that. |
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| 21:03.30 | parsec_ | so I have a Benq monitor FP767-12 and an intel onboard graphics card 82845G .. anyhow when I start X the screen is flickering, and it gets better once its booted, but still flickers a tiny bit in the corner of the left top hand side.. any ideas on how i can fix this? cause i have tried everything, from new drivers, to diff vert/hort settings to colordepth to resolution swapping and i have turned up dry.. please help me :( |
| 21:03.42 | strubbel | mtnman: is your server up, did you netstat -t -n -l, check /etc/hosts.*, firewall? |
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| 21:04.19 | mtnman | strubbel: this is all running on 192.168.1.0 |
| 21:04.39 | minra | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:04.39 | dpkg | dpkg-buildpackage is, like, a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. to make a package without knowing what you're doing, install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. |
| 21:04.43 | mtnman | strubbel: server is up. |
| 21:04.50 | strubbel | mtnman: why do you use localhost then? |
| 21:05.15 | mtnman | strubbel: i tried it from localhost and from a separate machine on the lan. |
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| 21:05.23 | mae | is there any alternative to kdevelop.. that is less scatterbrained |
| 21:05.28 | minra | dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
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| 21:05.44 | minra | ? |
| 21:06.03 | streuner | minra: what are trying? |
| 21:06.05 | minra | there is no changelog for package Frodo-4.1b because there |
| 21:06.05 | streuner | you* |
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| 21:06.13 | minra | is no installed frodo |
| 21:06.19 | minra | frodo c64 emulator |
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| 21:06.23 | minra | trying to build a pkg for a friend |
| 21:06.24 | strubbel | mtnman: sorry, then i can just give you the advice to play ;) |
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| 21:06.57 | minra | very few ppl have this error in google |
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| 21:07.01 | minra | so maybe my system is broken |
| 21:07.05 | abancroft | are there any known issues running Debian on Sager laptops? specifically Pentium M, ATI mobile x700, |
| 21:07.23 | minra | abancroft, send it to me, i'll find out |
| 21:07.25 | streuner | abancroft: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 21:07.54 | phillipsjk | parsec_: sounds like the resolution may not exactly match. LCDs are picky about that. |
| 21:08.05 | streuner | abancroft: it would be great luck that someone has this laptop and knows _all_ issues about, just try groups.google.com too |
| 21:08.20 | abancroft | streuner: thanks |
| 21:08.39 | parsec_ | phillipsjk: i changed the resolution, i have tried everything.. |
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| 21:10.24 | kingsley_ | What does "udp 92" at the end of a line of tcpdump's output mean? |
| 21:10.45 | dondelelcaro | kingsley_: depends on what output mode you're in |
| 21:11.05 | yoo | Hi |
| 21:11.20 | kingsley_ | dondelelcaro: Default. |
| 21:11.20 | phillipsjk | parsec_: did you look up the "optimal" resolution for the monitor? The problems you describe sound like you may also be using an interlaced display mode. Or, something may be defective. (Try under windows?) |
| 21:11.23 | yoo | Somebody use Sylpheed like client-mail |
| 21:11.25 | yoo | ? |
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| 21:11.40 | streuner | yoo: just ask |
| 21:12.08 | yoo | because i can't remove my folder for mailboxes |
| 21:12.12 | adjacent | how do i determine when a package was installed? i believe an apt-get upgrade b0rked some of my scripts by updating something, but i didnt memorize the list of upgraded packages |
| 21:12.21 | yoo | can't remove folder ...... |
| 21:12.42 | yoo | i right click on the folder |
| 21:12.47 | yoo | then remove |
| 21:12.51 | streuner | yoo: there is an easy solution, just rm the folder in |
| 21:12.53 | yoo | but i can't |
| 21:12.54 | parsec_ | phillips: I tried to state my question as detailed as possible, i have tried ALL of those things you're suggetsing with the exception of the interlaced display mode.. whast that all about? and its not a very large flicker its TINY, but my coworker hates it and wants it gone.. and its not defective it works fine on my box, and under windows |
| 21:13.01 | yoo | it's strange |
| 21:13.03 | zxclkjqwe | is there any way to generate a screenshot of an xv overlay? |
| 21:13.06 | streuner | yoo: ~/.sylpheed |
| 21:13.16 | yoo | i do that |
| 21:13.25 | yoo | but when i reconfiguring |
| 21:13.36 | yoo | if i want remove folder |
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| 21:13.40 | yoo | it's the same |
| 21:13.53 | yoo | it's amazing |
| 21:14.55 | streuner | yoo: its in ~/Mail |
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| 21:15.44 | tode | adjacent: the dates in /var/cache/apt/archives might help. |
| 21:15.57 | yoo | oki |
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| 21:17.05 | phillipsjk | parsec_ : interlacing means only half the screen is drawn at one time; allowing lower refresh rates. Flicker is noticable for repeating patterns. |
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| 21:17.52 | adjacent | tode: nope. only flagged for today are lock and partial. the rest look like they have the orginal date on them |
| 21:18.00 | spo0nman | has anyone used a belkin wireless 802.11g card on debian? |
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| 21:18.14 | spo0nman | has anyone used a belkin wireless 802.11g PCMCIA card on debian? |
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| 21:18.57 | adjacent | spo0nman: #wireless is helpful, but a lspci should give you the chipset and a google for that chipset and how to us modconf should tell you what drivers you need |
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| 21:19.18 | spo0nman | adjacent, oke |
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| 21:22.40 | phillipsjk | parsec_ : Have you ruled out the on-board video? |
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| 21:23.02 | redguy | Suppose I want to test a (blank) hard drive to chceck if it is healthy. Is bonnie++ the right tool to do this? |
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| 21:25.32 | yoo | streuner : i'm sure there are another configuratiothan .sylpheed and Mail because i remenber of my configuration when i erase all |
| 21:25.43 | redguy | or is it badblocks |
| 21:26.00 | wwallace | is whoppix on the dark side? |
| 21:26.03 | redguy | minra: bonnie seems to be a benchmark |
| 21:26.24 | parsec_ | phillipsjk: yes i tried disabling it but the agp card doesnt seem work .. so its probably bogus and ihavent got a pci card so bah |
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| 21:26.32 | minra | best tool is grc's commercial spinrite |
| 21:26.49 | tode | redguy: are just looking for bad blocks? smartctl can tell you more then bad blocks if these are ATA drives. |
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| 21:28.04 | redguy | tode: I've got an ancient 500 MB drive and I want to chceck if it is ok. |
| 21:28.58 | redguy | tode: Almost certainly it doesn't support smart |
| 21:29.49 | tode | redguy: true. |
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| 21:30.28 | phillipsjk | redguy: the DOS format utility should find bad blocks. |
| 21:31.13 | tode | e2fsck -c will check for badblocks. |
| 21:31.57 | redguy | tode: e2fsck -c uses badblocks to chceck for bad blocks :-) |
| 21:32.00 | Spec | 'badblocks' checks for badblocks too |
| 21:32.18 | Spec | it's crazy |
| 21:32.37 | redguy | is it likely that badblocks is included on an install cd? |
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| 21:33.15 | dfzi | bad blocks are like negroids. when they appear, they start increasing exponentially |
| 21:33.27 | dfzi | and in the end, you're doomed. |
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| 21:33.39 | cuc | buenas |
| 21:33.45 | MobyTurbo | dfzi: that's extremly bad taste |
| 21:33.47 | phillipsjk | dfzi-- |
| 21:34.26 | Aradorn | ok im having some problems getting debian to boot off this usb hdd... I got the base system to install and when i restart the machine adn choose to boot into the linux it starts to load the kernel and all the packages and then i get a kernel panic error and it stops |
| 21:34.34 | Aradorn | not really sure why this is happening |
| 21:34.52 | redguy | ubcd seems to have a reasonable amount of diagnosis tools, will try that |
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| 21:35.14 | tode | redguy: is it not in /sbin/badblocks ? |
| 21:35.22 | BHS-away-Monkey | can anyone explain why, when i try to boot to my main distro, it gets a superblock error for the partition debian is on |
| 21:35.47 | dfzi | Aradorn, make sure that the kernel is compiled with appropriate support for usb hdd:s |
| 21:35.52 | MobyTurbo | Aradorn: are you using lilo? |
| 21:35.56 | BHSPitMonkey | yes |
| 21:35.59 | BHSPitMonkey | oops |
| 21:36.01 | BHSPitMonkey | lol |
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| 21:36.35 | Aradorn | MobyTurbo: no grub... (not familiar enough with lilo to get it to boot with windows... grub is just "simple") |
| 21:36.51 | MobyTurbo | Aradorn: good, lilo certainly wouldn't boot a kernel on a usb drive. |
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| 21:37.15 | BHSPitMonkey | funny, when i had grub it didnt boot windows right, lilo does it fine for me |
| 21:37.17 | jason_ | does anyone know how to force juk to accept manul column widths? |
| 21:37.24 | Aradorn | dfzi: hrm im pretty sure it does, because right before i get the error it loads the all the USB mass storage device drivers |
| 21:37.36 | Aradorn | it tell sme that it cannot find dev/console or something like that |
| 21:37.47 | Comte0 | Hello |
| 21:37.54 | dfzi | Aradorn, did you compile it by yourself? |
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| 21:38.06 | Aradorn | no |
| 21:38.14 | dfzi | Aradorn, what distrib? |
| 21:38.23 | Aradorn | Sarge Debian... |
| 21:38.54 | Aradorn | couldnt get the net install stuff to work either so just doing a base install until i can get everything up and going then will go back and redo it |
| 21:38.56 | dfzi | Aradorn, and what was the error output? :/ |
| 21:39.07 | Aradorn | sec rebooting the machine so i can tell ya |
| 21:39.07 | Aradorn | brb |
| 21:39.14 | beardy | z |
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| 21:41.17 | airox | What would be a good way to securely format a harddisk ? |
| 21:41.29 | airox | Could I use dd and urandom ? |
| 21:41.51 | dfzi | airox, try darik's boot and nuke. although i haven't got any personal exp. about it |
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| 21:42.12 | RichiH | airox: dd and urandom are the way to go, yes |
| 21:42.14 | Aradorn | says /sbin/init: 431 cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 21:42.17 | BHSPitMonkey | hmm.../nick and /quit were in a boat.../nick jumped out...who was still in the boat? |
| 21:42.20 | beardy | airox: If you're really concerned, you smash it, and burn it, and buy a new one. |
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| 21:42.24 | Aradorn | kernel panic: Attempted to kill init |
| 21:42.25 | resiak | BHSPitMonkey: SHut up. |
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| 21:42.50 | RichiH | airox: personally, i use /dev/zero, then urandom (perhaps twice) if i want to be _sure_ the data is dead |
| 21:42.51 | airox | beardy: Well I need to give it to a friend so he can put things on it and give it back. |
| 21:42.53 | dfzi | Aradorn, you have another linux machine? |
| 21:42.55 | airox | so .. :) |
| 21:43.13 | Aradorn | no |
| 21:43.14 | dfzi | Aradorn, which does support your usb hdd |
| 21:43.21 | RichiH | airox: for friend-level stuff, dev/zero should suffice |
| 21:43.49 | tode | and /dev/zero can be faster then /dev/urandom |
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| 21:43.56 | RichiH | airox: or dd a 1mb piece out of random and dd that over your drive |
| 21:43.58 | Aradorn | so im guessing its my machine and not linux thats having the problem |
| 21:44.00 | MobyTurbo | if you want to hide things from government officials, even urandom is not enough, they can detect erased data from the magnetic data on the disk. |
| 21:44.06 | airox | Well it's just a 2.5GB harddisk. |
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| 21:44.30 | Aradorn | MobyTurbo electron microscopes 4tw |
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| 21:44.55 | Aradorn | just write pi on your entire hd... |
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| 21:45.12 | Aradorn | that might confuse them enough |
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| 21:45.26 | phillipsjk | Aradorn : PI is too well-known... |
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| 21:45.33 | tode | I want to find what deb package a file came from on my filesystem (like a reverse dpkg -L) |
| 21:45.47 | lindi- | dpkg -S |
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| 21:46.12 | joel_ | tode: apt-file |
| 21:46.34 | airox | I hope this won't take long :) |
| 21:46.45 | tode | lindi: thanks |
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| 21:47.01 | yoo | it's strange |
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| 21:47.06 | helix | oops |
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| 21:47.15 | afaict | Hi... |
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| 21:47.18 | yoo | apt-get remove --purge sylpheed |
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| 21:47.30 | yoo | rm -rf /home/yoo/.sylpheed |
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| 21:47.30 | MobyTurbo | helix: show-off ;-) |
| 21:47.35 | yoo | rm -rf /home/yoo/Mail |
| 21:47.48 | yoo | and when i reinstall sylphheed |
| 21:47.54 | Ry12 | how do i get swf-player to work with regular mozilla |
| 21:48.00 | yoo | the system remenber of my configuration |
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| 21:48.16 | MobyTurbo | Ry12: apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree |
| 21:48.18 | afaict | I'm using cups with a HP PSC 1350 and I'm trying to add this printer in Win2000. I cant find driver. What can I do? |
| 21:48.20 | kugg | hi does anyone have the iptables syntax for logging to a certain file? |
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| 21:48.58 | MobyTurbo | Ry12: s/flashplayer/flashplugin/ |
| 21:48.59 | airox | Anybody got some thoughts about the time that it would take to zero all bits on a hard drive with dd and reading from /dev/zero on a 2.5GB hd ? |
| 21:49.00 | Ry12 | its not in my sources |
| 21:49.07 | smurf_ | any one ran fvwn with debian |
| 21:49.13 | CyL | How do I compile a program withou interfering with the packaging system? |
| 21:49.18 | MobyTurbo | Ry12: you need to have non-free and contrib in your sources. |
| 21:49.25 | MobyTurbo | smurf_: yes |
| 21:49.33 | Ry12 | whats contrib mean |
| 21:49.36 | konrad127123 | Does anyone know if you can link GPLed code to code under a non-compatible license, indirectly by use of a LGPLed layer. I asked on #gnu, but got both yes and no answers |
| 21:49.46 | smurf_ | what did u think MobyTurbo |
| 21:49.48 | kugg | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.52 | joel_ | !contrib |
| 21:49.53 | dpkg | somebody said contrib was debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end. |
| 21:50.04 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 21:50.04 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:50.11 | smurf_ | i was thinking about trying it out |
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| 21:50.25 | kugg | its pretty cool byut even cooler are evilwm |
| 21:50.39 | Ry12 | i have this deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing main . do i just add non-free and contrib next to main? |
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| 21:50.52 | MobyTurbo | kugg: you can make fvwm as minimalist as evilwm if you choose. |
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| 21:51.19 | MobyTurbo | Ry12: yes, then apt-get update. |
| 21:51.19 | kugg | thats nice, but i like evil cos its easy patched and i coded apps for it |
| 21:51.33 | tode | airox: this will give your arough idea: hdparm -t /dev/hda |
| 21:51.41 | kugg | i have a menu and window controller and som shortcuts |
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| 21:52.29 | joel_ | I run fvwm, and all I got is a root menu |
| 21:52.29 | joel_ | and a wallpaper :) |
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| 21:53.16 | daft | what is the best network file shareing protocol with user autorization? |
| 21:53.16 | Ry12 | still not there |
| 21:53.24 | airox | tode: To bad it won't give output when I'm already dd'ing :) |
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| 21:53.40 | MobyTurbo | Ry12: flashplugin-nonfree is here, so you musta done something wrong. |
| 21:53.43 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 21:54.33 | airox | well time to sleep |
| 21:54.38 | airox | thanks guys for the info! |
| 21:54.47 | wwallace | how do i make a cd of an m3u? |
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| 21:55.46 | L00thar | So... is searching .debs at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages ever going to be working again? |
| 21:56.22 | drac | L00thar: Using crack? It works right now. |
| 21:56.39 | L00thar | drac: The search? |
| 21:56.41 | Ry12 | is it non-free or nonfree |
| 21:56.52 | Ry12 | in apt source |
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| 21:57.04 | joel_ | non-free |
| 21:57.37 | phillipsjk | unignore parsec_ |
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| 21:57.57 | resiak | phillipsjk++ |
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| 21:58.10 | phillipsjk | :) |
| 21:58.46 | egg|hide | +1 |
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| 21:59.24 | Aradorn | well ive found my problem, grub is able to load the USB storage device drivers and start up the kernel process, however, once th ekernel takes over and starts loading linux it no longer recognizes the USB device until the drivers are loaded which happens after it reads dev/console... |
| 21:59.27 | Aradorn | hrm this sucks |
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| 22:00.42 | L00thar | Aradorn: Is there some kernel switch which has it read USB right away? |
| 22:01.03 | Aradorn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:01.18 | Aradorn | but to get debian to boot from a USB HDD you have to patch it yourself |
| 22:01.28 | Aradorn | so im going to figure this out and do a writeup about it |
| 22:01.33 | Aradorn | post it on some linux forums... |
| 22:01.43 | L00thar | Aradorn: It would be appreciated I'm sure. |
| 22:01.57 | strubbel | is it possible to set up a manually keyed connection from >host1/net1< via IP over >bridge< via IPSec to >host2/net2< ? |
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| 22:03.19 | daft | is there a way to make NFS able to grant and deny users with out knowing the ip? |
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| 22:04.15 | wintix | i have installed all codecs from mplayerhq but i get the following codec error if i want to play 21c3 videos: Requested video codec family [ffh264] (vfm=ffmpeg) not |
| 22:04.19 | wintix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.32 | Blissex | daft: perhaps you should think hard about what «users» means in an NFS context. |
| 22:04.47 | L00thar | So: no takers on why the search forms on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages don't work? Someone suggested it's just me -- but then those would be the ONLY forms which don't work for me, and 100% of the time for quite some time now. Highly unlikely possibility, but I'm open to reasonable suggestions. |
| 22:04.53 | kugg | Every time i reset my computer/unload iptables it flushes my table. how do i fix this? |
| 22:05.07 | PheonexBueller | Aradorn: I think what you want is to either build a custom Kernel with the USB driver built-in, or include the USB driver in yer initrd. Initrd is loaded in the initial bootup stages - by Lilo/grub, and would probably do the job for you. |
| 22:05.21 | L00thar | kugg: Put a startup script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 22:05.32 | kugg | i have that |
| 22:05.48 | kugg | ahh you meen like that |
| 22:05.49 | petemc | L00thar: works fine for me |
| 22:05.58 | stew | L00thar: it works for me |
| 22:06.01 | petemc | Found 446 matching packages, displaying packages 1 to 50. |
| 22:06.34 | wintix | can someone help with my codec-problem? |
| 22:06.36 | L00thar | geeze... What gives? |
| 22:06.45 | PheonexBueller | Aradorn: In particular loo at the Kernel and initrd in the Knoppix CD, as this boots up quite nicely on my X22 ThinkPad w/USB CD-ROM. |
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| 22:07.02 | L00thar | At least I have a clue that something is more locally amiss. |
| 22:07.08 | Aradorn | PheonexBueller: yeah that seems like the solution from google... but i cant find hwo to actually do that without being to boot into alinux distro |
| 22:07.44 | PheonexBueller | Then get that Knoppix CD. It |
| 22:07.50 | PheonexBueller | It'll boot. |
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| 22:08.25 | stew | Aradorn: sounds like you ahve a udev problem to me |
| 22:08.36 | Aradorn | stew: ? |
| 22:09.33 | phanter | hello. I added a user via useradd -d/media/data aegee. It did not ask me for a passwd. How can I add a passwd for this user |
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| 22:10.19 | PheonexBueller | * slaps his forehead: Man, I musta entered that nick Late At Night! |
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| 22:12.14 | stew | Aradorn: do you use udev or devfs? |
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| 22:12.32 | PheonexBueller | phanter: First, check your /etc/shadow file and make sure that aegee actually _has_ a password! If he does, there's the place to whack it. Without a password, it should be "easie" to log into the account and set one. |
| 22:12.35 | einsteinmg | is there a way to see the manpage comments also? |
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| 22:13.06 | L00thar | petemc: stew: What I always get at 'Submit form to http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl' is: "Not Found The requested URL /cgi-bin/search_packages.pl was not found on this server. Apache/1.3.26 Server at gluck.debian.org Port 80"... I'll be damned if I can figger that. |
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| 22:13.25 | Aradorn | <--- complete linux noob so i have no idea what that is |
| 22:14.02 | Aradorn | afk going to try something |
| 22:14.19 | petemc | phanter: you should use adduser, but passwd user should work |
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| 22:14.28 | phanter | how can I add a user with a spicified home dir and a password |
| 22:14.38 | ysothoth | /j/wb |
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| 22:14.50 | beardy | phanter: man adduser |
| 22:14.51 | petemc | phanter: man adduswer |
| 22:14.54 | petemc | :) |
| 22:15.00 | n00bersc0uper | he he |
| 22:15.20 | Eclipser | geez |
| 22:15.25 | n00bersc0uper | rtfm |
| 22:15.26 | Eclipser | I had more trash in my room than on my hard drive |
| 22:15.31 | epsilon | a question, exim4/sarge return permanently this message in mainlog, what can be wrong?: "2005-05-17 11:55:50 setrlimit(RLIMIT_NPROC) failed: Operation not permitted" |
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| 22:16.44 | PheonexBueller | epsilon: Is exim run by root? (NOT a good idea, IMHO) The setrlimit() function can only be used by root. |
| 22:17.10 | petemc | listening on port 25, it has to run as root some of the time |
| 22:17.18 | phillipsjk | n00bersc0uper : TFM deos not explain how to add passwords... |
| 22:17.30 | Heckler | boo |
| 22:17.35 | petemc | phillipsjk: it prompts for a password |
| 22:17.37 | n00bersc0uper | tfm |
| 22:17.40 | n00bersc0uper | i said rtfm |
| 22:17.45 | epsilon | PheonexBueller: daemon runs as user "Debian-exim" |
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| 22:18.08 | petemc | epsilon: thats sounds like something the debian exim mailing list might like to hear about |
| 22:18.08 | n00bersc0uper | points to the r part |
| 22:18.13 | Aradorn | woot get to convert this tutorial for FC2 to debian... |
| 22:18.16 | n00bersc0uper | reading is fundamental, so is google |
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| 22:18.40 | PheonexBueller | epsilon: You need to ferret out where it call setrlimit() and see what limit it's trying to set. Then make this your system default. You have to be root to raise this limit. |
| 22:18.51 | tjkgg | How can i find out the qos associated with each packet that passes through my linux router? does tcpdump show that sort of information? |
| 22:18.53 | PheonexBueller | Check the manpage for setrlimit |
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| 22:19.25 | epsilon | petemc: it's first time I use exim4 - unless I didn't understood it, I guess it's my config error |
| 22:19.45 | petemc | epsilon: did you use debconf to configure it? |
| 22:20.19 | PheonexBueller | *agrees with petemc, this is something the exim setup oughta do for you. |
| 22:20.33 | epsilon | petemc: exim4-config did it |
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| 22:20.48 | petemc | epsilon: then that shouldnt happen. you using selinux or anything? |
| 22:20.49 | tjkgg | How can i find out the qos associated with each packet that passes through my linux router? does tcpdump show that sort of information? |
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| 22:21.13 | epsilon | PheonexBueller: can any wrong file owner (root/mail/Debian-exim) could cause this? |
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| 22:21.24 | Sero | I need to make a 3 fold brochure is there any program I could use for that? |
| 22:21.27 | petemc | epsilon: have you messed around permissions? |
| 22:21.36 | petemc | +with |
| 22:21.55 | epsilon | petemc: possible, it's a virtualHost debian-sarge, just ipgraded from woody |
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| 22:22.07 | epsilon | and unless Debian-exim didn't exist in exim3... |
| 22:22.22 | PheonexBueller | I doubt it. exim should NOT be 0wn3d/run by root, and root is the only guy who gets to raise setrlimits. |
| 22:22.26 | echion | Hi, where I can I find out which packages are locate don which cd without downloading them first? |
| 22:22.32 | petemc | epsilon: a uml or some such? you might need to contact your host |
| 22:22.40 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 22:22.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, cd contents is http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7 |
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| 22:23.05 | echion | thanks |
| 22:23.43 | kugg | !kernel |
| 22:23.46 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.11.10, prepatch: 2.6.12-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.12-rc4-git1, 2.4: 2.4.30, prepatch: 2.4.31-pre2, snapshot: 2.4.31-pre2-bk2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.12-rc4-mm2 |
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| 22:27.06 | Zipcat | In installation of sarge I set up 2 lvm partitions. Now I'm trying to create a VG and there is a place to check inbetween brackets [ ] to select the devices for the new volum group. what key do I hit to select the two targets to get a check inbetween the brackets? |
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| 22:27.23 | Zipcat | never mind |
| 22:27.24 | Heckler | what is the command to reconfigure the graphics options? |
| 22:27.31 | Zipcat | it's a space bar just figured it out |
| 22:27.37 | PheonexBueller | echion: if you're looking for a specific package, just download that from a ftp site, don't bother with a whole CD |
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| 22:27.48 | L00thar | petemc: stew: Here's a real simple one, if you're interested (probably not by now...): The URL http://packages.debian.org/stable/ is a 404 Not Found for me. No form -- just the URL. Has likely been broken for months. If YOU say it worx, then... well.. ?? |
| 22:28.17 | echion | PheonexBueller, no I need to do an offline installation, so I will need to know which cds i need to download |
| 22:28.23 | stew | L00thar: http://packages.debian.org/stable/ is not 404 for me, and there is no form on that page |
| 22:28.34 | petemc | L00thar: have you tried with another browser? are you going through a proxy? |
| 22:28.43 | Delph | L00thar: you probably have proxy configuration issues. |
| 22:28.45 | L00thar | stew: It's not about forms. But you got that page? |
| 22:28.50 | stew | yes |
| 22:28.59 | drac | Could anyone point me to file where Postfix defines user@localhost.localdomain as a mail sender, i'd like to change that.. /etc/mailname didn't do it. |
| 22:29.02 | L00thar | Delph: That would make sense -- but I run no proxies. |
| 22:29.15 | L00thar | petemc: I use elinks. |
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| 22:29.35 | Heckler | what is the command to reconfigure the graphics options? |
| 22:29.40 | petemc | L00thar: again, have you tried with anything else? |
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| 22:29.53 | L00thar | petemc: I will try Firefox. |
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| 22:29.58 | Delph | was it debian.org that was about to start using taht TCP addition? |
| 22:30.03 | PheonexBueller | echion: Gotta ftp site somewhere? I'll upload my Packages.gz files from my CDs |
| 22:30.06 | Delph | explicit congestion control or something? |
| 22:30.13 | ruied | I have vsftpd running but when I sop it ( /etc/initd/vsftpd stop) it won't stop, anyone have any idea why? |
| 22:30.23 | petemc | Heckler: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 22:30.24 | ruied | sop=stop |
| 22:30.27 | echion | PheonexBueller, let me check |
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| 22:30.49 | L00thar | Delph: I know I had problems before with email Lists, because apparently sprint.ca was blacklisted, I think. |
| 22:30.50 | petemc | Delph: /msg dpkg ecn |
| 22:30.50 | Guerin | ruied: why the fuck would we know what's happening on your computer? RTFL. |
| 22:31.15 | L00thar | Guerin: Howsabout a useful answer? |
| 22:31.25 | Guerin | L00thar: that IS a useful answer. |
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| 22:31.35 | L00thar | No it isn't. |
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| 22:31.47 | Guerin | L00thar: it is if he knows what rtfl means. |
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| 22:31.57 | BHSPitMonkey | it was really phrased as a question. |
| 22:32.21 | timmyd | can anyone tell me how to get rid of the penguin when the kernel boots. i just installed woody |
| 22:32.25 | Delph | petemc: useful reading, agreed, but the question still stands. |
| 22:32.31 | ruied | Guerin: I just asked if someone know's or if someone have experimented the same error, maybe someone can help me, maybe someone knows.... sorry if I offended you, bad atitude... |
| 22:32.34 | Guerin | can someone answer my question, then? How ARE we supposed to know why some software on HIS machin isn't working as intended? |
| 22:32.36 | Delph | was it debian.org which said they were about to enable ECN. |
| 22:32.36 | stew | ruied: are you root when you attempt to stop it? did you start it with the init script? |
| 22:32.44 | ruied | yes |
| 22:32.51 | Delph | or was it the fsf, or gnu.org or some other large free software group. |
| 22:32.56 | petemc | Delph: i dont believe it affects individual pages, rather access to whole sites |
| 22:33.09 | Guerin | ruied: no, i'm not offended. Just try and help yourself. Read your logs; they probably hold the answer. |
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| 22:33.26 | Guerin | L00thar: cry me a fucking river. |
| 22:33.39 | L00thar | Guerin: yeh, you care so much... |
| 22:33.42 | petemc | timmyd: thats because of a framebuffer, you can configure it in your bootloader, probably /etc/lilo.conf |
| 22:33.50 | ruied | I make an ps -aux |grep ftp, and it isn't there, I've stoped inetd(just in case) but when I make a connection to the ip it responds to the client |
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| 22:33.58 | BHSPitMonkey | Guerin, is there some purpose for you being here? |
| 22:34.00 | stew | ruied: check the bts |
| 22:34.00 | jshoenber | I've got this program installed fine, but it didn't install the man pages. Where do I copy them to, or how do I install them? |
| 22:34.12 | Guerin | BHSPitMonkey: yeah, there is. How about you? |
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| 22:34.30 | ruied | I make also a nmap localhost, and I don't see any ftp port... |
| 22:34.33 | timmyd | petemc: yeah there isn't anything in lilo that looks related though... and i'm not sure what i can append to the kernel for it to be disabled |
| 22:34.34 | Guerin | ruied: what do your logs say? Do they log connections? |
| 22:34.40 | petemc | timmyd: vga= |
| 22:34.44 | Ronin | ahh #debian, i love it when everyones in such high spirits |
| 22:34.48 | Guerin | ruied: nothing listening on 20 or 21, yet your client can still connect? |
| 22:35.03 | petemc | timmyd: its best not to make assumptions.. |
| 22:35.36 | L00thar | ya. Making assumptions is epidemic on most IRC channels... |
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| 22:35.55 | poser | is it possible to open asp file types in linux? |
| 22:36.01 | ruied | Guerin: I'm searchin for a vsftp log (in /var/...), but didn't find yet... |
| 22:36.05 | beardy | timmyd: append="video=vga16:off" |
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| 22:36.06 | Xinux | poser: yes. |
| 22:36.07 | foxiness | poser, yes |
| 22:36.08 | cafuego | poser: yeah, just use $EDITOR |
| 22:36.17 | Guerin | ruied: /var/log/vsftpd.log, by debian default |
| 22:36.20 | stew | !dbugs 284262 |
| 22:36.23 | dpkg | #284262:N[vsftpd] broken init script functionality Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:33:06 UTC |
| 22:36.26 | L00thar | poser: I think a browser an read a valid HTML one. |
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| 22:36.37 | Xinux | all web content files can be opened with a notepad |
| 22:36.39 | Xinux | or editor |
| 22:36.43 | Guerin | ok, bts to the rescue again |
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| 22:37.08 | cafuego | poser: if you mean 'execute it in the web server' then MAYBE, via asp2perl/asp2php but NOT when it includes any database stuff. |
| 22:37.27 | petemc | isnt there something else.. |
| 22:37.46 | poser | cafuego: I mean like can I see it as a web page? |
| 22:37.46 | ruied | Guerin: don't have it... |
| 22:38.00 | Xinux | poser: huh? use a browser |
| 22:38.26 | foxiness | i want to put this on /hdparm.con "hdparm -d 1 -A 1 -m 16 -u 1 -a 64 /dev/hda" - for hd and "hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc" for cd/dvd is this safe ? |
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| 22:38.41 | live | server irc.sucks.net |
| 22:38.43 | Guerin | ruied: there is a config option to have it log via syslog, i think. |
| 22:38.48 | Xinux | live: ? |
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| 22:38.59 | ruied | really strange, a locate of vsftpd.log doesn't return the log file... it doesn't exist... |
| 22:39.00 | foxiness | sorry "hdparm -d1 -X34 /dev/hdc" |
| 22:39.08 | live | ? |
| 22:39.09 | timmyd | beardy: thanks |
| 22:39.21 | Xinux | live: don't advertise :P |
| 22:39.27 | Glitch_Master | Hey.. um.. A friend of mine found the appropriate driver for my webcam, but I have no idea how to utilize it. |
| 22:39.29 | lyosha | Hello. Does anybody know how to get the full path to the current source file in gdb? |
| 22:39.30 | live | how the fuck i unzip |
| 22:39.32 | Guerin | ruied: did you turn logging off? |
| 22:39.38 | Xinux | !advertise |
| 22:39.49 | Guerin | KInGPIn20: man unzip |
| 22:39.49 | pureone | live "unzip file.zip" |
| 22:39.50 | KInGPIn20 | what |
| 22:39.58 | ruied | nop |
| 22:39.58 | strubbel | will -m state --state INVALID match IPSec packets? |
| 22:40.22 | beardy | timmyd: no problem |
| 22:40.24 | KInGPIn20 | Xinux fuck you |
| 22:40.33 | Xinux | wtf? |
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| 22:40.44 | KInGPIn20 | dont talk to me |
| 22:40.49 | strubbel | ruied: which state will match those? |
| 22:40.51 | Xinux | i didn't you ass |
| 22:40.55 | ruied | I've changed today to debian sarge and to kernel 2.6 don't know if it could mess anything... |
| 22:41.00 | KInGPIn20 | you big gay ass |
| 22:41.01 | Guerin | wow, people in here are arsey this morn |
| 22:41.01 | timmyd | petemc: thanks |
| 22:41.02 | KInGPIn20 | :P |
| 22:41.04 | KInGPIn20 | im jk |
| 22:41.10 | Xinux | :\ |
| 22:41.19 | resiak | Nice joke! |
| 22:41.23 | KInGPIn20 | yeah |
| 22:41.24 | resiak | Oh, wait. |
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| 22:42.04 | simonrvn | KInGPIn20: off your meds? |
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| 22:42.12 | ruied | I have a /var/run/vsftpd.pid - 1213 when I trie to kill it ( -9) it doesn't exist... |
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| 22:42.31 | epsilon | ruied: ps aux |grep 1213 |
| 22:42.35 | KInGPIn20 | ok |
| 22:42.38 | KInGPIn20 | its working |
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| 22:43.07 | KInGPIn20 | simonrvn my tar.gz |
| 22:43.26 | simonrvn | forgot to take your tarball this morning, i see |
| 22:43.32 | KInGPIn20 | no |
| 22:43.34 | ruied | jsut my grep process |
| 22:43.40 | ruied | just |
| 22:43.52 | KInGPIn20 | i get usb plugin o memory card fo my xbox |
| 22:44.03 | KInGPIn20 | tfay |
| 22:44.05 | KInGPIn20 | today |
| 22:44.06 | Guerin | ruied: what does netstat plaunt say about what's listening on 20 and 21? |
| 22:44.07 | epsilon | ruied: ps aux | grep ftpd |
| 22:44.17 | KInGPIn20 | and i was have gentoo on my other xbox |
| 22:44.21 | resiak | KInGPIn20: Great news for you. |
| 22:44.34 | Heckler | no one would want to connect to my computer via windows remote and help me set up linux in vmware? i have debian installed with kde but i dont know how to set up resolution or make it start without startx... and so on |
| 22:44.36 | KInGPIn20 | can i upgrade my unix |
| 22:44.41 | epsilon | .oO (gentoo? what is that) |
| 22:44.47 | [2am] | has anyone dealt with trying to 'serve' files over 2gb via debian (using apache or pure-ftpd) |
| 22:44.49 | KInGPIn20 | emerge upgrade |
| 22:44.56 | KInGPIn20 | pther uix |
| 22:44.59 | KInGPIn20 | other |
| 22:45.01 | KInGPIn20 | unix |
| 22:45.02 | Guerin | !tell Heckler about shell access |
| 22:45.04 | simonrvn | epsilon: an x based, gtk file "manager" |
| 22:45.04 | [2am] | ive recompiled pure-ftpd with the --large-files but still no joy |
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| 22:45.07 | Guerin | !tell Heckler about set up x |
| 22:45.22 | KInGPIn20 | how do i emerge the upgrade |
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| 22:45.29 | KInGPIn20 | ? |
| 22:45.30 | simonrvn | KInGPIn20: wrong channel |
| 22:45.35 | Ronin | ktalin4you21: format |
| 22:45.36 | KInGPIn20 | no |
| 22:45.36 | Guerin | KInGPIn20: /msg dpkg htfswk |
| 22:45.46 | ktalin4you21 | hy everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 22:45.48 | Ronin | i mean KInGPIn20 format it and install windows |
| 22:45.57 | Guerin | jesus, it's sunday again |
| 22:46.01 | dondelelcaro | ktalin4you21: please don't use excess punctuation |
| 22:46.02 | KInGPIn20 | its on my xbox dum ass |
| 22:46.04 | dondelelcaro | !eternal sunday |
| 22:46.06 | dpkg | Eternal Sunday of The Clueless Mind. Yes, folks, due to popular demand, every day is now sunday. See <sunday>. |
| 22:46.10 | simonrvn | yes it is |
| 22:46.12 | resiak | !dondelelcaro++ |
| 22:46.16 | KInGPIn20 | :P |
| 22:46.18 | Guerin | KInGPIn20: then it's not debian, since debian doesn't release an xbox distro. |
| 22:46.18 | KInGPIn20 | im jk |
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| 22:46.31 | simonrvn | you say that a lot, don't you |
| 22:46.33 | KInGPIn20 | what |
| 22:46.51 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: probably should /nick jk; would make it easier. |
| 22:46.53 | ktalin4you21 | y need a litle help |
| 22:46.57 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:46.58 | ruied | do not see any ftp with netstat |
| 22:46.59 | KInGPIn20 | i got a dbian distro on my xbox |
| 22:47.05 | MobyTurbo | !y |
| 22:47.05 | dpkg | well, y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 22:47.05 | KInGPIn20 | its xebian named |
| 22:47.07 | Guerin | ruied: is it a public ip? |
| 22:47.14 | resiak | !based on debian |
| 22:47.16 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 22:47.17 | simonrvn | probably xebian or something... |
| 22:47.18 | Guerin | KInGPIn20: is xebian spelt the same as debian? |
| 22:47.19 | dondelelcaro | KInGPIn20: Debian doesn't release a distribution for xbox. Xebian != Debian. Try #xebian |
| 22:47.21 | deadcat | is there a function thats like highlight_file() in php but works with all config files or shell scripts? |
| 22:47.22 | ruied | yup |
| 22:47.26 | simonrvn | yup. ding |
| 22:47.27 | simonrvn | !win me |
| 22:47.30 | Guerin | ruied: what ip? |
| 22:47.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 22:47.34 | Xinux | !xebian |
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| 22:47.40 | epsilon | Lindows is based on debian? -.- |
| 22:47.40 | ktalin4you21 | who help me |
| 22:47.45 | Xinux | Lindows |
| 22:47.47 | Xinux | lol |
| 22:47.49 | resiak | Xinux: You can't talk about s/^./X/ ;-) |
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| 22:47.53 | dondelelcaro | ktalin4you21: just ask your queston |
| 22:47.55 | guestish | hi |
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| 22:48.01 | simonrvn | dpkg: i already get enough spam (thankfully not in my INBOX), don't need more |
| 22:48.02 | guestish | what is a "DRAM Scrubber"? |
| 22:48.10 | Xinux | !win me |
| 22:48.11 | Ronin | ktalin4you21: still trying to figure out what you typed |
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| 22:48.20 | simonrvn | guestish: wipes your DRAM so that it doesn't work anymore ;p |
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| 22:48.31 | guestish | simonrvn: why would it be a bios setting then? |
| 22:48.44 | simonrvn | guestish: please note the ";p" |
| 22:48.49 | prahal | is there a known limit to evolution mbox file size ? (i got one which reached 2G and now evolution comaplin about "cannot append file too big") |
| 22:48.50 | Xinux | !tell guestish about lol |
| 22:48.55 | ktalin4you21 | dose enyone have Knoppix? |
| 22:48.56 | Xinux | !lol |
| 22:49.01 | ktalin4you21 | :-) |
| 22:49.02 | Xinux | THE bot DONT work |
| 22:49.02 | guestish | !lart Xinux |
| 22:49.03 | prahal | or is it the ext3 fs ? |
| 22:49.04 | phaedral | looking for pointers on wireless on laptop; howto at linux-for-laptops has me close to working; ifup wlan0 gets me "invalid key_mgmt 'WEP'"; pointers? |
| 22:49.06 | Guerin | prahal: heh. ask #evolution on irc.gnome.org. |
| 22:49.06 | simonrvn | ktalin4you21: #knoppix people do |
| 22:49.07 | Ronin | ktalin4you21: #knoppix sure does |
| 22:49.13 | guestish | simonrvn: in all seriousness, what is it? |
| 22:49.23 | ruied | Guerin: did you get the ip? |
| 22:49.24 | Guerin | prahal: you're begging for problems with a mbox file that size, though. |
| 22:49.26 | simonrvn | Xinux: no, you're just ignorant as to how it works |
| 22:49.28 | prahal | Guerin: welll sorry i should have asked the ext3 part first |
| 22:49.28 | resiak | guestish: Google probably knows. |
| 22:49.32 | L00thar | prahal: I found evolution so awful, I was forced to move to mutt. Glad I did. |
| 22:49.35 | guestish | resiak: unfortuately not |
| 22:49.38 | Xinux | !lart resiak |
| 22:49.46 | prahal | Guerin: it is the logcheck repo :) |
| 22:50.21 | dondelelcaro | phaedral: if you're using wep, just set the wireless_key in /etc/network/interfaces; and the WEP key should be set properly |
| 22:50.21 | ktalin4you21 | fuck you all |
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| 22:50.21 | simonrvn | guestish: you already know more than i. check your mobo manual, or the BIOS supplier's site |
| 22:50.21 | resiak | !fuck ktalin4you21 |
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| 22:50.21 | prahal | L00thar: i use both |
| 22:50.21 | simonrvn | ktalin4you21: no thanks, not my type |
| 22:50.22 | phaedral | dondelelcaro: thanks; you rock as always |
| 22:50.32 | guestish | simonrvn: chipkill mode is also interesting, whatever it is |
| 22:50.32 | prahal | L00thar: evolution 2.2 is way way more stable than previous version |
| 22:50.32 | Guerin | ruied: Trying 213.22.166.150... |
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| 22:50.32 | Guerin | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 22:50.41 | simonrvn | guestish: both of those sound awful |
| 22:50.45 | guestish | simonrvn: heh |
| 22:50.55 | Guerin | ruied: same response for both port 20 and 21 .: your ftpd isn't running |
| 22:50.56 | guestish | simonrvn: chipkill i think is the enhanced version of ECC |
| 22:51.01 | deadcat | htop is a pretty ncie util (= |
| 22:51.12 | simonrvn | "yeh, let,s make something so people can kill their CPUs from the BIOS!" "excellent idea!" |
| 22:51.12 | ruied | ??? strange.... |
| 22:51.13 | L00thar | prahal: I only got into it because I wanted something like Eudora. But evolution is really a dog. And the coders were kinda like certain people on IRC... so I turfed it. But like the guy said: 2G is pushing it for filesize..! |
| 22:51.40 | dondelelcaro | L00thar: why not switch to mutt instead? |
| 22:51.50 | guestish | simonrvn: heh |
| 22:51.52 | L00thar | prahal: Think about cutting up & zipping and storing older mail, if you don't already. |
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| 22:52.03 | L00thar | dondelelcaro: Have. Luv it. |
| 22:52.04 | ruied | maybe winscp client does some kind of cache?!?!? |
| 22:52.06 | simonrvn | guestish: name choice matters ;) |
| 22:52.20 | guestish | simonrvn: yeah, well i guess they didnt care |
| 22:52.24 | dondelelcaro | ruied: it shouldn't, but in either case, please stop using excess punctuation |
| 22:52.33 | simonrvn | ohnoz1111111 |
| 22:52.34 | prahal | L00thar: as i told those are "logcheck" syslog digest for a year ... |
| 22:52.51 | Guerin | ruied: the hell I know. I'm off to work now, back in 30 or so. |
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| 22:53.11 | simonrvn | gott get dinner in. brb |
| 22:53.13 | simonrvn | a |
| 22:53.13 | guestish | simonrvn: i guess ill enable memory interleaving, but leave scrubbing off |
| 22:53.16 | ruied | a secure ftp also runs also on port 21-20 ? |
| 22:53.27 | simonrvn | no such thing as secure ftp |
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| 22:53.35 | garung | http://rafb.net/paste/results/m5i7xS46.html |
| 22:53.39 | garung | can someone help me with that |
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| 22:53.48 | garung | error while compiling kernel |
| 22:53.52 | GCS | Hi. How can I get the provider of an IP under Debian? I would like to contact the tech admins for the IP by email. |
| 22:53.54 | garung | http://rafb.net/paste/results/m5i7xS46.html |
| 22:54.00 | resiak | garung: Disable that driver. |
| 22:54.02 | L00thar | prahal: I process those regularly and discard 99% of the stuff. As for a year's-worth: I break then up into smaller q1/q2/q3/q4 .bz2 arkz. |
| 22:54.09 | garung | oh |
| 22:54.12 | resiak | garung: Why are you rolling your own kernel? |
| 22:54.13 | petemc | GCS: whois ip , dont expect too much |
| 22:54.27 | Glitch_Master | How do I use a driver for a device, specifically a webcam? |
| 22:54.43 | prahal | L00thar: how could one manage those cutted mbox ? i plan on moving to mh storage though i am not yet ready for the switch |
| 22:54.53 | garung | resiak, it's faster than my old kernel |
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| 22:55.02 | resiak | garung: Bollocks. |
| 22:55.09 | resiak | garung: What processor do you have? |
| 22:55.15 | garung | i have pentium 4 |
| 22:55.20 | garung | 1.7 Ghz |
| 22:55.21 | L00thar | GCS: Start with 'host <IP>' |
| 22:55.27 | n00bersc0uper | oh a pentium |
| 22:55.29 | resiak | garung: So apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2.686 |
| 22:55.36 | petemc | Glitch_Master: read up on video 4 linux, v4l, search for debian specific guides |
| 22:55.42 | resiak | Blah, -2-686 |
| 22:56.22 | garung | resiak, i want lastest kernel |
| 22:56.22 | resiak | garung: Why? |
| 22:56.22 | garung | resiak, what driver do i need to disable? |
| 22:57.02 | resiak | garung: Ah, that's what you get to figure out, since I can't remember. Why not just use a Sid kernel-image of 2.6.11 if you insist on having 2.6.11 |
| 22:57.11 | L00thar | prahal: Not sure I understand the Q, but I just copy the files to other names and use mutt to sort the email by date -- then delete the email outside those date constraints. |
| 22:57.14 | garung | ok |
| 22:57.20 | garung | resiak, thanks |
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| 22:57.36 | GCS | L00thar, petemc: It is not in the DNS. whois ip helped, got the abuse email address. It is http://202.53.224.238/.secure/login.html btw. |
| 22:57.49 | prahal | L00thar: i never delete emails ... i wonder how gmane deal with the issue |
| 22:57.54 | prahal | oups gmail |
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| 22:58.02 | simonrvn | L00thar: D, then it asks on what pattern, then it deletes based on that pattern |
| 22:58.18 | Aradorn | whats the command to boot into linux rescue mode using hte install cds for Sarge? |
| 22:58.38 | L00thar | prahal: You misunderstood. I just meant the process for taking a big mbox and making a few smaller ones out of it. |
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| 22:59.05 | L00thar | simonrvn: Ya -- that's the way. Or Tag on messgaes to move into another mbox. |
| 22:59.13 | simonrvn | yes |
| 22:59.28 | petemc | L00thar: i misunderstood too, you said delete the mails, not move |
| 22:59.36 | cafuego | or use maildir and script grep/mv |
| 22:59.41 | L00thar | petemc: my booboo |
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| 22:59.46 | ruied | I understand now, winscp conects trough ssh... |
| 22:59.52 | garung | lol |
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| 23:00.16 | garung | ;p |
| 23:00.37 | jcook | does anyone know how to quickly get autofs mounting cifs shares? |
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| 23:03.39 | furtivefelon | does anyone here has any experience installing vmware on debian? |
| 23:03.56 | zamolxes | furtivefelon, me, works like a charm |
| 23:04.03 | furtivefelon | mmm.. |
| 23:04.16 | furtivefelon | i have some problems while running vmware-config.pl |
| 23:05.41 | furtivefelon | Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "3.3.5", while you are trying to use "/usr/bin/gcc" version "3.3.6". This configuration is not recommended and VMware Workstation may crash if you'll continue. Please try to use exactly same compiler as one used for building your kernel. Do you want to go with compiler "/usr/bin/gcc" version "3.3.6" anyway? [no] |
| 23:05.49 | furtivefelon | i answered y to this question |
| 23:06.03 | furtivefelon | it then proceed to finding headers |
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| 23:06.38 | supaman | does there exist a program like on the old macos that displayed what they keyboard layout was? (and if you pressed the apple button it changed the view so you could see what characters would be displayed by pressing what keycombination)? |
| 23:06.46 | Delph | one might suggest that in fact, you should use the same version of gcc as you used to build the kernel, especially if they went to all the trouble of that warning message. |
| 23:06.56 | furtivefelon | mmm.. |
| 23:06.56 | chealer | furtivefelon: you have gcc 3.3.6? |
| 23:07.04 | furtivefelon | i don't know how to down grade |
| 23:07.08 | furtivefelon | yes |
| 23:07.17 | furtivefelon | i upgrade everything once every week |
| 23:07.21 | phillipsjk | My serial mouse work in DOS in Microsoft mode, but not not under linux. Symptoms: nothing happens. X->gpmdata(msc)->gpm(ms) -R ->/dev/mouse->/dev/ttyS0->onboadserial->Mouse I believe I triple-checked the entire chain. What can I be missing? |
| 23:07.28 | Aradorn | heh this is kinda funny someone told me yesterday that if i had any problem wiht linux on a USB hdd it would be my hardware... |
| 23:07.28 | simonrvn | @tell dave44 -about root |
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| 23:07.32 | Aradorn | that dosnt seem to be the case now |
| 23:07.39 | garung | in grub. how do we make default kernel boot? |
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| 23:08.23 | Delph | furtivefelon: uhhm, but i've got gcc 3.3.5 on here... |
| 23:08.48 | chealer | furtivefelon: I don't see a mention of 3.3.6 there : http://gcc.gnu.org/ |
| 23:09.02 | kugg | when i run /etc/init.d/iptables restart i get Aborting iptables load: unknown ruleset, "active". how do i fix this? |
| 23:09.09 | L00thar | ciao, baby... |
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| 23:09.40 | furtivefelon | how do i check what version do i have? |
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| 23:10.12 | chealer | furtivefelon: dpkg -l gcc |
| 23:10.19 | Eclipser | gcc --version |
| 23:10.20 | Delph | gcc --version |
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| 23:10.41 | Delph | like, about, say, 99% of all programs =:) |
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| 23:10.50 | garung | how do i make my kernel default boot in grub ? |
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| 23:11.03 | furtivefelon | gcc (GCC) 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-4) Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 23:11.04 | js_ | garung: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:11.11 | garung | yeah |
| 23:11.12 | garung | im in there |
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| 23:11.19 | garung | which one do i put in js_ lol |
| 23:11.29 | chealer | furtivefelon: and what does dpkg -l gcc say? |
| 23:11.33 | Aradorn | hrm |
| 23:11.53 | furtivefelon | 3.3.5-3 |
| 23:12.17 | ruied | garung: default variable |
| 23:12.42 | ruied | garung: default 0 - is the first entry... and so one... |
| 23:12.47 | garung | oh |
| 23:12.49 | garung | i see |
| 23:12.52 | garung | thanks ruied :) |
| 23:12.54 | chealer | furtivefelon: do you have an idea why you have that GCC version? |
| 23:13.04 | Delph | furtivefelon: where did you install gcc outside of the packaging system from? |
| 23:13.17 | bucky | because 3.3.5-3 comes with sarge |
| 23:13.20 | furtivefelon | nope, i just started learning debian about 1 month ago (seriously learning, as i just switched to debian full time) |
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| 23:13.35 | chealer | furtivefelon: what's your release? |
| 23:13.40 | Eclipser | why does gcc --version and dpkg -l gcc have different version numbers? |
| 23:13.49 | furtivefelon | well, i use Synaptic Package Manager (it's much easier.. as i still can't quite grasp text console yet) |
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| 23:13.54 | Delph | Eclipser: because someone's been plaing silly buggers somewhere. |
| 23:13.58 | Delph | *playing |
| 23:14.01 | Eclipser | my gcc --version says 3.3.5-12 and dpkg -l says 3.3.5-3... |
| 23:14.02 | bob2 | no, that's normal |
| 23:14.23 | furtivefelon | how do i sync them? |
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| 23:15.02 | bob2 | Eclipser: dpkg -l gcc-3.3 |
| 23:15.08 | bob2 | be amazed!~ |
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| 23:15.26 | bucky | gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12) |
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| 23:15.49 | bob2 | the gcc package doesn't contain a compiler at all |
| 23:15.49 | furtivefelon | dpkg -l gcc-3.3 returns 3.3.6-4 |
| 23:15.50 | dpkg | ii gcc-3.3 returns 3.3.6-4 1.6-11.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 23:15.52 | bob2 | gcc-3.3 does |
| 23:15.52 | bucky | why is my version 1:3.3.5-12 ? |
| 23:16.10 | bob2 | ignore the gcc package itself |
| 23:16.13 | bucky | it must be really good ;) |
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| 23:16.34 | bob2 | the 1: means someone fucked up the dpkg version at some point |
| 23:16.37 | chealer | bucky: tha'ts the debien revision of gcc-3.3 you have |
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| 23:16.40 | bob2 | and had to hack around it |
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| 23:16.48 | K_Dallas | Evening guys! Has teTeX 5.0 yet made into unstable branch? I saw that people talking about it but in my repos I only get 2.0.2 Thanks |
| 23:16.59 | K_Dallas | oops, teTeX 3.0 ;) |
| 23:17.17 | gravity | K_Dallas: Not in unstable |
| 23:17.18 | Delph | is gcc just slow at updating their website? |
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| 23:17.23 | K_Dallas | if not, would it be safe to install it from the tarball? |
| 23:17.28 | bob2 | Delph: 3.3 is a very old gcc version |
| 23:17.30 | gravity | It's in experimental |
| 23:17.33 | furtivefelon | is there any way of getting 3.3.5 instead of 3.3.6? |
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| 23:17.40 | bob2 | furtivefelon: why? |
| 23:17.47 | K_Dallas | gravity, is there a repos where i could get it? |
| 23:17.57 | gravity | K_Dallas: experimental |
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| 23:18.03 | daft | Im compiling a kernel on a box of a server provider if the real config (i uses as base) expects some patches of the source and i compile with a clean debian source will it compile /will it give any messages about it? |
| 23:18.05 | furtivefelon | as vmware warns about 3.3.6, since my Kernel is compiled with 3.3.5 |
| 23:18.06 | gravity | !tell K_Dallas about experimental |
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| 23:18.11 | bob2 | haha |
| 23:18.13 | K_Dallas | ok, should i only add experimental to my usual debian repos? |
| 23:18.16 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 23:18.18 | bucky | furtivefelon, which version of debian do you use? |
| 23:18.25 | bob2 | daft: that won't wor, sorry |
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| 23:18.26 | gravity | Crap, that used to have instructions for setting up experimental |
| 23:18.32 | bob2 | daft: why do you want to build your own? |
| 23:18.47 | gravity | K_Dallas: Take a look at wiki.debian.net for instructions on using experimental. You'll have to play with your apt preferences |
| 23:18.47 | starrider | im looking for docunetation on how to edit startup what daemons run etc |
| 23:18.51 | daft | bob2: becose it misses some thing |
| 23:18.56 | gravity | K_Dallas: Be careful, things are in experimental for a reason. |
| 23:19.00 | K_Dallas | great, i am going to try that |
| 23:19.00 | bob2 | daft: e.g.? |
| 23:19.04 | furtivefelon | bob2: i'm using mepis, a sarge with a easier to install interface, and a live-cd version |
| 23:19.08 | bob2 | starrider: /usr/share/doc/sysv* |
| 23:19.09 | resiak | !based on |
| 23:19.13 | bob2 | furtivefelon: #mepis |
| 23:19.16 | resiak | !based on Debian |
| 23:19.16 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 23:19.21 | Delph | bob2: well, 3.3.6-8 has arrived in unstable, but only 3.3.5 is in testing. |
| 23:19.22 | K_Dallas | well, you are right but would that have a destructive effect on my other stuff? |
| 23:19.27 | bob2 | Delph: ok |
| 23:19.42 | Delph | so i'm assuming it's fairly new |
| 23:19.46 | Delph | (within that branch) |
| 23:20.00 | bob2 | well, within the branch, yeah |
| 23:20.05 | bucky | furtivefelon, mepis is not debian |
| 23:20.06 | pureone | starrider : http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ will help |
| 23:20.16 | paulswm | furtivefelon: mepis isn't sarge, it's a mix of testing and unstable and not a debian distro anyway |
| 23:20.23 | furtivefelon | oh |
| 23:20.29 | bucky | try #mepis |
| 23:20.37 | furtivefelon | k |
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| 23:20.39 | paulswm | A potentially lethal mix, I hasten to add |
| 23:20.39 | furtivefelon | thanks :D |
| 23:21.06 | furtivefelon | i tried for about two days to install debian, i can't get it to work with my monitor at all |
| 23:21.16 | daft | bob2:makes that a divrence Im just wurries that the kernel fails to boot becose some paches are included i want to be 100% save |
| 23:21.29 | chealer | furtivefelon: did you ask here for help? |
| 23:21.42 | daft | bob2: diff oldconf newconf only showed some #text being trown out |
| 23:21.47 | furtivefelon | mmm.. that's before i discovered irc channels :| |
| 23:22.10 | furtivefelon | should i ditch mepis and install debian? |
| 23:22.14 | paulswm | furtivefelon: I've installed sarge on 5 different sets of hardware, no problems. But people in here are good with resolving display issues if you want to try again :) |
| 23:22.23 | gravity | furtivefelon: If you want help from this channel, yes |
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| 23:22.30 | gravity | furtivefelon: If you love mepis and it works for you, just go with it |
| 23:22.32 | bob2 | daft: what is missing? i should include everything you need... |
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| 23:22.36 | furtivefelon | mmm.. does debian work well with laptops? |
| 23:22.43 | deadcat | furtivefelon: no. |
| 23:22.46 | bob2 | daft: no, you can't just use the debian config with a default kernel source |
| 23:22.50 | bob2 | deadcat: dude |
| 23:22.54 | bob2 | furtivefelon: yes, of course |
| 23:22.54 | deadcat | bob2: (= |
| 23:22.57 | paulswm | furtivefelon: my 5 include 2 laptops |
| 23:23.03 | starrider | hmm i nkow how to REMOVE something from startup but how do i put it back |
| 23:23.03 | bob2 | furtivefelon: you'll probably have to do some manual fiddling, though |
| 23:23.11 | bob2 | especially if you want things like sleep support |
| 23:23.18 | bob2 | starrider: update-rc.d |
| 23:23.28 | furtivefelon | well, i still have two problems yet-to-be-solved with my laptop, so i'll try to install debian over the coming weekend |
| 23:23.30 | furrywolf | works great on my laptop... suspend-to-disk even works. |
| 23:23.30 | paulswm | Yes, and hard drive spindown |
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| 23:23.48 | bob2 | suspend-to-disk isn't too hard |
| 23:23.51 | resiak | yonkel-lappy: And Debian works on your laptop too, doesn't it? ;-) |
| 23:23.55 | bob2 | suspend-to-ram is more difficult |
| 23:24.09 | yonkel-lappy | resiak: yeah....works fine on lappy |
| 23:24.15 | resiak | yonkel-lappy: Heheh. |
| 23:24.18 | jcook | bob2: is sus-to-disk aka hibernate? |
| 23:24.27 | bob2 | jcook: right |
| 23:24.31 | furtivefelon | i just want something that works (as in sound, display, wireless (currently doesn't work), and battery) :D |
| 23:24.42 | furrywolf | except a bug in the default debian lilo conf ate the hard drive once; had to re-install... |
| 23:24.42 | jcook | bob2: I thougth hib. didn't work properly in linux |
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| 23:25.14 | furrywolf | do not, under any circumstances, install grub into the MBR of my model dell laptop. :) |
| 23:25.23 | bob2 | jcook: suspend-to-disk should work on any bit of hardware |
| 23:25.27 | bob2 | on i386, at least |
| 23:25.29 | jcook | bob2: (i have an ati card (using prop. driver) and I have to use ndiswrapper for hte wireless card) |
| 23:25.34 | furrywolf | or, at least, lilo. I think grub would do it too though. |
| 23:25.36 | yonkel-lappy | resiak: ok apt-getting 2.6.11.9 image |
| 23:25.37 | bob2 | haha |
| 23:25.51 | bob2 | well, if you're throwing binary blobs into your kernel, all bets are off |
| 23:25.55 | jcook | bob2: that's "dump mem to swap partition" right? |
| 23:26.00 | bob2 | jcook: right |
| 23:26.21 | paulswm | furtivefelon: I have a non-natively-supported 11g wireless card running at a rated 125bps via ndiswrapper, so it is possible to get most if not all wireless cards running with a bit of effort |
| 23:26.38 | resiak | yonkel-lappy: Just use it :) |
| 23:27.02 | n00bersc0uper | phillipsjk: google eh eh |
| 23:27.42 | bucky | write some new ones |
| 23:27.42 | phillipsjk | google is amasingly useful, but not be be trusted :) |
| 23:27.54 | cafuego | jcook: The trick is 'resume-from-disk' |
| 23:27.57 | furtivefelon | mmm.. well, the problem isn't with wireless card, but sockets, as something about unsupported voltage key on startup |
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| 23:28.08 | starrider | shit....i have oss modules and alsa modules running |
| 23:28.10 | starrider | thats not good |
| 23:28.25 | jcook | bob2: maybe I should try it out again ... a year back ... I had a different laptop ... if i S2D a 2nd time ... it wouldn't work (but that doesn't mean the first attempt was ever fully successfull) ... maybe it has matured since ? |
| 23:28.25 | jcook | bob2: your a debian admin nut yeah? |
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| 23:28.46 | paulswm | furrywolf: I have no problems with grub and a Dell Inspiron 1100 laptop, even given that Dell make totally crap laptops anyway. |
| 23:29.00 | bob2 | jcook: it's matured in the past year, yeah |
| 23:29.12 | bob2 | jcook: unloading at least ndiswrapper would probably help, too |
| 23:29.18 | K_Dallas | ok guys! i am about to commit suicide by installing tetex3 experimental, before that any last min advice? appreciate it |
| 23:29.22 | bob2 | jcook: I admin a few debian machines, yeah |
| 23:29.23 | furtivefelon | i did try ndiswrapper |
| 23:29.45 | furtivefelon | but it won't see my wireless card |
| 23:29.49 | jshoenber | K_Dallas, get a paper bag, and a bottle of your hardest liquor |
| 23:29.55 | paulswm | cafuego: I don't really need 64 bit, I can live with Firefox not starting up 0.125 seconds faster :) |
| 23:29.58 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 23:29.59 | furtivefelon | so i can just assume my "voltage key" is unsupported |
| 23:30.24 | cafuego | paulswm: the firefox bit is trivial. the fact it takes over two hours less to encode a dvd is nice, though ;-) |
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| 23:30.41 | jshoenber | K_Dallas, you might also want to get a Colt 45, just incase things go awry |
| 23:31.11 | K_Dallas | :) you are getting really creative i have to say ;) |
| 23:31.27 | jshoenber | K_Dallas, I honestly don't know what program you're installing. But you made it sound horrible |
| 23:31.32 | K_Dallas | still downloading tho |
| 23:31.48 | K_Dallas | it is tetex 3.0 and i had never installed anything experimental |
| 23:31.48 | Glitch_Master | petemc, video 4 linux only seems to provide apps and drivers. I need to know how to apply THIS driver to the device /dev/video0 : http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html |
| 23:31.57 | jcook | bob2: ok my question is this ... is it feasible ... that the linux kernel ... get a new filesystem feature (obviously not standard unix) ... which would allow it deail with a path (eg using the kernel open call) "proto://<protospecific>" ... eg 'cifs://server/share/path' ... ... if the open gets that (and the file doesn't exist) .. palm the open request off to a userspace "metafs" daemon |
| 23:31.59 | K_Dallas | i didnt know that it existed till a min ago |
| 23:32.08 | paulswm | cafuego: Yes, I'm sure, never encoded a dvd :) |
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| 23:32.14 | shingouz | furtivefelon: You already checked out the links on /msg dpkg laptop I guess |
| 23:32.20 | tzanger | longtime linux user, very new debian user |
| 23:32.22 | K_Dallas | but since it is a not a system program i thought maybe it would be safe to try it |
| 23:32.33 | jshoenber | K_Dallas, meh, you'll be fine |
| 23:32.36 | paulswm | Have a safe night, all, byeee |
| 23:32.43 | shingouz | nite |
| 23:33.08 | tzanger | I'm trying to build a third-party kernel module but it's looking ofr /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-i386/build, which doesn't seem to exist. I installed the kernel-source thinking that'd do it but that sadly wasn't it. I know how to do it manually, but what's "the debian way" to do this? |
| 23:33.09 | K_Dallas | thanks, hope so |
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| 23:34.28 | bob2 | jcook: could be done |
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| 23:34.46 | resiak | tzanger: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386, reboot with your new kernel, be happy. |
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| 23:34.59 | bob2 | jcook: the userspace bit is already done, in the form of fuse...you can mount it wherever and the kernel redirects all accesses to it to a daemon |
| 23:35.21 | _TwistedEmotions | ash@Twisted:~$ lpr test.txt |
| 23:35.21 | _TwistedEmotions | lpr: error - scheduler not responding! |
| 23:35.29 | tzanger | resiak: I have to install an entirely new kernel? ok |
| 23:35.31 | _TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to get lpr running? |
| 23:35.32 | jcook | bob2: come again? |
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| 23:35.50 | L00thar | Hey -- if anyone wants to line up to boot my unworthy ass, it finally dawned on me why I was having trouble with packages.debian.org. Anyone want to take a wild guess as to what moronicity I was up to? |
| 23:35.53 | resiak | tzanger: S'a new version. |
| 23:35.59 | resiak | L00thar: You can't spell package? |
| 23:36.02 | bob2 | jcook: fuse lets you implement a filesystems in a userspace program |
| 23:36.03 | L00thar | hehe |
| 23:36.06 | L00thar | no. |
| 23:36.10 | jcook | bob2: does it need to be mounted (in the "binding to the filestem" concept)? |
| 23:36.10 | tzanger | resiak: I see that, but I figured that the old kernel image would have had the build link. |
| 23:36.14 | resiak | L00thar: You can't spell debain? |
| 23:36.14 | bob2 | jcook: yes |
| 23:36.20 | L00thar | hehe. nooo |
| 23:36.22 | simonrvn | L00thar: you put htp:// ? |
| 23:36.23 | resiak | L00thar: You can't spell ogre? |
| 23:36.29 | tzanger | (consequently wouldn't I also need kernel-source-2.6.8-2-i386? |
| 23:36.36 | resiak | tzanger: Hell no. |
| 23:36.36 | L00thar | howsabout an outdate hosts file. |
| 23:36.43 | tzanger | hmm ok |
| 23:36.46 | bob2 | jcook: gnome-vfs lets programs do blah://foo/, already, but requires the userspace program has to link to it |
| 23:36.52 | simonrvn | shit happens |
| 23:37.04 | L00thar | teaches me right. |
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| 23:37.29 | L00thar | resiak: you know: /etc/hosts ? |
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| 23:37.37 | Warcelo | any one can help me with wine ? |
| 23:37.45 | resiak | L00thar: Yes, I know. |
| 23:37.49 | resiak | Warcelo: #wine? |
| 23:37.53 | resiak | !wine Warcelo |
| 23:37.59 | Warcelo | !wine ? |
| 23:38.00 | dpkg | from memory, wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
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| 23:38.39 | Warcelo | i know.. but everyone seems to sleep in #winehq |
| 23:38.44 | jcook | bob2: gnome-vfs ... that's the same as konq (kde) does it? |
| 23:38.47 | resiak | !they don't answer |
| 23:38.47 | guestish | i wonder if wine is any good now |
| 23:38.53 | L00thar | resiak: Didn't mean to offend, but you appeared perplexed. |
| 23:39.04 | simonrvn | that URI is defunct |
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| 23:39.06 | bob2 | jcook: kde has its own one, unfortunately |
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| 23:39.12 | cafuego | guestish: it runs windows software, how good could it possibly be? |
| 23:39.14 | bob2 | there's some work to unify them |
| 23:39.17 | resiak | L00thar: I can't figure out why you had an entry for p.d.o in it. |
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| 23:39.29 | L00thar | resiak: Why not. I put it there. |
| 23:39.42 | guestish | cafuego: heh |
| 23:39.45 | jcook | bob2: yeah ... that's my reasoning behind moving into the kernel ... ... it would be nice if say shell scripts could have access to the same facility |
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| 23:40.02 | bob2 | hm, the kernel people will never let that in |
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| 23:40.38 | resiak | L00thar: *shrug* |
| 23:41.01 | L00thar | resiak: now, now. Let's be friends. |
| 23:41.30 | guestish | spambots been a problem lately? |
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| 23:42.07 | L00thar | !kill resiak |
| 23:42.14 | resiak | :( |
| 23:42.23 | Warcelo | any one knows why i am having this problem running a particular windows program in wine ? |
| 23:42.23 | Warcelo | fixme:seh:EXC_RtlRaiseException call (from 0x47f5b5) to unimplemented function kernel32.dll.RestoreLastError |
| 23:42.45 | paulswm | !prise L00thar |
| 23:43.06 | guestish | prise? |
| 23:43.08 | L00thar | out of my cold, dead fingers... |
| 23:43.13 | resiak | Warcelo: "unimplemented" is the clue there. |
| 23:43.15 | paulswm | :D |
| 23:43.22 | guestish | L00thar: dont forget lifeless |
| 23:43.29 | L00thar | oh yeh. thanx. |
| 23:43.33 | paulswm | guestish: yes, prise. |
| 23:43.40 | paulswm | !dict prise |
| 23:43.44 | dpkg | Dictionary 'prise' (2 of 27): . Prise \Prise\, n. & v. See Prize, n., 5. Also Prize, v. t. ;; . Prize \Prize\, v. t. To move with a lever; to force up or open; to pry. [Written also prise.]. |
| 23:43.48 | jetdotnet | pries |
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| 23:43.52 | guestish | news to me |
| 23:44.02 | guestish | i've heard of pry |
| 23:44.05 | guestish | never prise |
| 23:44.06 | jetdotnet | 2 of 27? |
| 23:44.18 | guestish | !srt L00thar |
| 23:44.26 | guestish | yeah.. |
| 23:44.27 | jetdotnet | l00thar of the hill people |
| 23:44.27 | L00thar | guestish: It's a real word. Trust us. |
| 23:44.30 | paulswm | guestish: then your vocabulary++ :) |
| 23:44.36 | guestish | L00thar: i dont trust nothingy! |
| 23:45.03 | paulswm | see ya guys, safe night, etc |
| 23:45.05 | guestish | i never not trust nothing nuh uh |
| 23:45.10 | starrider | anyone here familiar with shorewall? |
| 23:45.10 | Eclipser | safe night? |
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| 23:45.21 | Warcelo | resiak: it means that wine does not support it ? |
| 23:45.22 | guestish | starrider: i know what it is |
| 23:45.23 | guestish | bout it |
| 23:45.37 | starrider | i set it up , and should only have 2 open ports, but instead i have 5 |
| 23:45.38 | Warcelo | resiak: it means that wine does not support it ?? |
| 23:45.42 | starrider | weird |
| 23:45.57 | guestish | starrider: check the config file |
| 23:46.05 | resiak | Warcelo: It means that Wine doesn't support that function, or in fact that it is an "unimplemented function". Learn to read! Why did you just ask me twice, adding a second question mark? Were you worried that I was answering too slowly? |
| 23:46.10 | jetdotnet | next time try wineX? |
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| 23:46.20 | starrider | im looking at it |
| 23:46.22 | starrider | hah |
| 23:46.52 | Warcelo | ok, sorry... but thats weird cuz i use to run it on fedora core 2 |
| 23:46.53 | jetdotnet | or what about dual booting |
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| 23:47.13 | simonrvn | that means nothing. they could've patched it |
| 23:47.14 | Warcelo | and it workd fine |
| 23:47.16 | jetdotnet | same version? |
| 23:47.21 | jetdotnet | what he said |
| 23:47.23 | simonrvn | or diff. version... |
| 23:47.23 | resiak | Warcelo: Well, you get to tweak stuff! |
| 23:47.43 | jetdotnet | patch/upgrade/version, wtdiff |
| 23:47.49 | Warcelo | what tweak means ? |
| 23:47.58 | jetdotnet | opposite of twank |
| 23:48.00 | simonrvn | @dict tweak |
| 23:48.00 | l3m_ | Warcelo: you could always try crossweavers or cedega .. sometimes that helps.. but these are not free software |
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| 23:48.03 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'tweak' (1 of 9): 1. To change slightly, usually in reference to a value. Also used synonymously with {twiddle}. If a program is almost correct, rather than figure out the precise problem you might just keep tweaking it until it works. See {frobnicate} and {fudge factor}; also see {shotgun debugging}. 2. To {tune} or {bum} a program; preferred ... |
| 23:48.31 | jetdotnet | mmm gum |
| 23:48.40 | Warcelo | ok |
| 23:48.41 | jetdotnet | pink gum |
| 23:48.53 | jetdotnet | next is red gum |
| 23:48.54 | Warcelo | ill try those... |
| 23:49.01 | jetdotnet | those what |
| 23:49.14 | Warcelo | crossweavers |
| 23:49.16 | Warcelo | cedega |
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| 23:49.22 | resiak | codeweavers! |
| 23:49.28 | resiak | Warcelo: What's the "certain windows application"? |
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| 23:49.30 | jetdotnet | nobody suggested you try anything, afaik, cept me and the dualboot/wineX |
| 23:49.40 | resiak | jetdotnet: 00:48 < l3m_> Warcelo: you could always try crossweavers or cedega .. sometimes that helps.. but these are not free software |
| 23:49.47 | jetdotnet | ah |
| 23:49.48 | simonrvn | jetdotnet: see l3m_ |
| 23:50.05 | Aradorn | if i boot with Knoppix i shoudl be able to access my USB harddrive right? |
| 23:50.06 | jetdotnet | nm a'hm ah doe-elt |
| 23:50.14 | L00thar | ciao, baby... |
| 23:50.15 | jetdotnet | there is no knoppix |
| 23:50.19 | Aradorn | =( |
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| 23:50.25 | simonrvn | there is only the borg... |
| 23:50.27 | simonrvn | er |
| 23:50.27 | bucky | heya grumpydog |
| 23:50.29 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 23:51.01 | jetdotnet | wonrg shoe |
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| 23:51.09 | simonrvn | dialup wth sprint .ca in toronto |
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| 23:51.42 | simonrvn | ooh, dr. who starts soon |
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| 23:51.52 | dvs | yeah! |
| 23:52.07 | simonrvn | 19:51 $localtime |
| 23:52.07 | jetdotnet | mmm red gum |
| 23:52.13 | simonrvn | 52 |
| 23:52.19 | shingouz | simonrvn: Could you fax it over, Dr. Who does not air here and I sure could use some ;) |
| 23:52.31 | rob_lt | Aradorn: knoppix should see your usb harddrive. You should likely have it plugged in when you first turn on the system. |
| 23:52.38 | simonrvn | shingouz: aaw, no dr. who? where you at? |
| 23:52.42 | Aradorn | yeah id o |
| 23:52.42 | shingouz | fi |
| 23:52.45 | jetdotnet | lies, knoppix doesn't exist |
| 23:52.47 | simonrvn | ah |
| 23:52.59 | Aradorn | debian dosnt like it too much (i have debian installed on the USB HDD but i cant boot from it) |
| 23:53.18 | simonrvn | shingouz: CBC airs it one week late from the BBC. |
| 23:53.29 | Aradorn | so i gotta use knoppix to boot into linux and change some config files so i can load the USB drivers at the start of the boot process |
| 23:53.34 | Warcelo | does any one knows where can i download cedega for debian ? |
| 23:53.47 | gravity | Warcelo: Subscribe to their plan and they provide debs |
| 23:53.55 | shingouz | simonrvn: I just might fax myself somewhere in that general direction just to see Dr. Who :( |
| 23:54.02 | rob_lt | Aradorn: I think the fact that you can't boot from your usb drive is more an issue with your bios than it is with debian. |
| 23:54.07 | Warcelo | ok |
| 23:54.12 | Aradorn | no i can boot from it |
| 23:54.16 | Aradorn | problem is with grub |
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| 23:54.30 | Aradorn | grub treats the drive as a scsi device |
| 23:54.32 | simonrvn | shingouz: heh :|. you can't get it on some cable or sat. t.v. channel or something? |
| 23:54.42 | shingouz | simonrvn: nope |
| 23:54.43 | simonrvn | Aradorn: no, the kernel does. |
| 23:54.55 | Aradorn | so it has no problems, once i select the kernel to load, it treats the drive as a usb device and i lose all connections to it |
| 23:55.02 | simonrvn | shingouz: too bad :| |
| 23:55.11 | Aradorn | so i get a kernel panic error half way through the boot |
| 23:55.19 | garung | heh |
| 23:55.23 | simonrvn | shingouz: not quite, but close ;) |
| 23:55.28 | Aradorn | ive found a fix (i think) but gotta get into linux to make the changes |
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| 23:55.53 | shingouz | simonrvn: Too close for comfort. I would not mind having a bit of water between me and Siberia |
| 23:55.53 | rob_lt | Aradorn: I see, knoppix should work fine as a rescue CD for you in this case. |
| 23:55.58 | Aradorn | yeah |
| 23:56.09 | simonrvn | shingouz: yeh. |
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| 23:56.13 | FarrisG | Is there any way to determine from a shell what speed your FSB is running at |
| 23:56.14 | FarrisG | ? |
| 23:56.23 | Aradorn | i cant use the debian install cds because it dosnt load the usb drivers (using linux rescue) |
| 23:56.33 | simonrvn | AFK |
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| 23:57.06 | jetdotnet | sounds like woody to me |
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| 23:57.21 | jetdotnet | is this woody Aradorn ? |
| 23:57.24 | Aradorn | no |
| 23:57.25 | grendal_prime | ok i need to get a list of irqs that have been used |
| 23:57.33 | jetdotnet | Aradorn: is the cd woody? |
| 23:57.35 | Aradorn | no |
| 23:57.36 | grendal_prime | some easy way of doing that? |
| 23:57.47 | jetdotnet | Aradorn: and it has a rescue image now? |
| 23:57.55 | K_Dallas | I have got 4 package for teTeX experimental, base, bin, extra, and hevea (which shold not be essential). In which order should i install base and bin? I did managed to create problems and took me a while to remove the broken packages now need to do it right. thanks |
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| 23:58.28 | cafuego | Can someone give me a perl oneliner for removing line breaks but leaving paragraph breaks? |
| 23:58.50 | jcook | bob2: dude ... just wondering ... on what i was saying before ... is there no way of getting around having to do a real mount ? |
| 23:59.07 | Aradorn | jetdotnet not sure, i dont think it did what my walk through was saying |
| 23:59.07 | rob_lt | cafuego: sure... "/join #perl" :) |
| 23:59.07 | jetdotnet | ahh |
| 23:59.12 | Aradorn | jetdotnet the walk through was for a FC2 installer... |
| 23:59.20 | phogg | cafuego: need an unworwrapper? |
| 23:59.21 | bob2 | jcook: yes, get your application to use gnome-vfs |
| 23:59.25 | cmc | K_Dallas: base, then bin. Or do base, bin, and extra on the same line, and let dpkg sort it out. |
| 23:59.28 | jetdotnet | ooo |
| 23:59.29 | grendal_prime | jcook, umm just how are you planning to connect to the hardware.... |
| 23:59.29 | cafuego | phogg: pretty much |
| 23:59.32 | grendal_prime | airsnort? |
| 23:59.34 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 23:59.50 | jcook | bob2: bash? |
| 23:59.58 | K_Dallas | cmc, i did it all on the same line but got a few errors and broken package or something |
