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| 00:00.16 | K_Dallas | let me go one by one |
| 00:00.16 | bob2 | jcook: if you really want to |
| 00:00.21 | grendal_prime | !msg dpkg |
| 00:00.25 | bob2 | jcook: I'm not sure why you'd want to avoid mounting things |
| 00:00.34 | jcook | grendal_prime: sockets (were talking <proto>:/<protospecific> ... eg smb://server/share/path) |
| 00:00.52 | cmc | K_Dallas: You might need to remove them first, then try again. Also, if you have the older teTeX packages, there might be some conflicts. |
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| 00:00.53 | K_Dallas | base installed all right |
| 00:01.13 | K_Dallas | cmc, i removed manually the 2 folders causing problems |
| 00:01.18 | K_Dallas | now the bin one |
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| 00:02.34 | K_Dallas | so far so good :) extra extra! ;) |
| 00:02.44 | grendal_prime | jcook, you mean a samba mount? |
| 00:02.47 | Glitch_Master | Erg... |
| 00:03.16 | jcook | bob2: make the notation simpler ... how would you map 'smb://server/share/file' to the filesystem? I mean ... like ... ok ... the application does 'open( 'smb://myserver/myshare/myfile', flags ); ... what would happen then? |
| 00:03.17 | grendal_prime | ok...umm basically i need to see which network cards were assigned want irq... |
| 00:03.28 | Glitch_Master | How do I apply this sort of driver?!: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html For use with a webcam... |
| 00:03.31 | grendal_prime | i thought i could do it with dmesg...but its ..alll....cryptic |
| 00:03.50 | grendal_prime | anyway....is there an app out there that gives hardware info... |
| 00:03.53 | jcook | grendal_prime: im essially talking about a metafs at the core level |
| 00:04.10 | jcook | transparent to the user ... so no mount -t cifs ... |
| 00:04.53 | jcook | grendal_prime: sorta like autofs ... but better |
| 00:04.56 | grendal_prime | OOOOOO....that....well that makes total sense now...because i have not a clue how to help with that...or even what it is |
| 00:05.27 | jcook | grendal_prime: sorta like moving kio/gnome-vfs style stuff ... into the core of hte OS |
| 00:05.58 | grendal_prime | yep i have slightly less than an atom sized thimbal of knowledge on automount |
| 00:06.18 | grendal_prime | seems to cause a lot of trouble..i do know that |
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| 00:07.04 | grendal_prime | anyway...irq's ? does anyone know of n easy way to pole the machine to see what irqs were assigend |
| 00:07.36 | jcook | automount sucks cause it doesn't have hte ablity to browse ... or auto unmount after a period of unuse |
| 00:07.48 | grendal_prime | ya thats what i hear |
| 00:07.54 | grendal_prime | well alot of stuff like that |
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| 00:08.05 | Glitch_Master | My intention is to set dev video0 with the proper location and such for this webcam. I have no idea as to what I'm doing. |
| 00:08.19 | grendal_prime | simmilar to what you wrote...most of wich starts with "Automount sucks cause" |
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| 00:08.49 | Blissex | Glitch_Master: read some video4linux HOWTO... |
| 00:08.52 | garung | how do we mount a fat or ntfs partition type? |
| 00:09.14 | Blissex | grendal_prime: 'cat /proc/interrupts' |
| 00:09.20 | Glitch_Master | Blissex: Sorry. I had difficulty finding it amidst the huge tables labeled "DRIVERS" and such. |
| 00:09.21 | Blissex | grendal_prime: 'lspci -v# |
| 00:09.23 | grendal_prime | Glitch_Master, well dude YOUR IN THE RIGHT PLACE, |
| 00:09.24 | Blissex | grendal_prime: 'lspci -v' |
| 00:09.33 | bob2 | jcook: why not just mount it on /server/share/? |
| 00:09.34 | grendal_prime | Blissex, cool thanks |
| 00:09.37 | garung | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1 |
| 00:09.52 | grendal_prime | thats right...the pci deally bobber i always forget that bastard |
| 00:09.56 | Blissex | garung: use 'mount -t {vfat,ntfs}' |
| 00:10.05 | jcook | bob2: what if the server's name is 'root' or 'dev' ... ? |
| 00:10.10 | garung | oh |
| 00:10.58 | garung | mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mnt/fat |
| 00:10.59 | garung | mount: /dev/hdb1: can't read superblock |
| 00:11.00 | bob2 | jcook: then in /mnt or somethine |
| 00:11.05 | jcook | bob2: why does it need to be mounted ... all the app realy need to get back is a filedescriptor |
| 00:11.18 | bob2 | jcook: right...so use gnome-vfs |
| 00:11.19 | jcook | (or inode) |
| 00:11.22 | starrider | where do i put commands i want run on startup...its not a service but a list of commands |
| 00:11.35 | starrider | i need to tune my hard drive with hdparam before mounting |
| 00:11.39 | starrider | so i cant use the automount |
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| 00:11.45 | bob2 | ew, automount |
| 00:11.50 | jcook | bob2: why do it at such a high level ... if it can be done globally? |
| 00:11.53 | bob2 | starrider: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
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| 00:12.00 | bob2 | jcook: because it's highly un-unixy |
| 00:12.05 | bob2 | if you want it, go for it |
| 00:12.08 | jcook | bob2: (if it can that is) |
| 00:12.14 | bob2 | but the kernel people are extremely unlikely to accept it, ever |
| 00:12.21 | garung | hey man, is there a way i can check all my available partition? |
| 00:12.28 | resiak | garung: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 00:12.43 | garung | neat |
| 00:12.47 | grendal_prime | Blissex, that did it bro thanks i owe you one |
| 00:12.53 | garung | thanks! |
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| 00:13.10 | jcook | bob2: 1) GNU's not unix. 2) how do you figure ... unix (to me) is lots of small tools, high reusability |
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| 00:13.30 | grendal_prime | you need anything...i mean anything...ill even marry your sister...the ugly one |
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| 00:13.47 | grendal_prime | if you have an ugly sister...if not thats ok ill marry the good looking one |
| 00:13.57 | grendal_prime | do you have any sisters?? |
| 00:14.28 | bob2 | jcook: ok |
| 00:14.35 | grendal_prime | nevermind...the wife said no...i cant marry anyone else anymore...BAD GRENDAL BAD BAD. |
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| 00:14.58 | bob2 | adding massive complexity to the kernel seems silly to me |
| 00:15.07 | bob2 | when you can do it in userspace |
| 00:15.16 | jcook | bob2: it would be done in userspace |
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| 00:15.28 | bob2 | there you go then |
| 00:15.44 | Blissex | grendal_prime: I have an evil lawyer sister that would strip the lifeforce out of you :-) |
| 00:16.07 | grendal_prime | o |
| 00:16.11 | jcook | bob2: was just trying to find out if it could be done (at all) ... and with out physically mounting |
| 00:16.16 | grendal_prime | dude..i need to be punished |
| 00:16.16 | grendal_prime | heheh |
| 00:16.21 | garung | resiak, can i check if it's a fat or ntst partition? |
| 00:16.28 | karsten | jcook: I just rejoined, but take it you're looking for a way to automount SMB shares? |
| 00:16.30 | bob2 | jcook: of course, gnome-vfs proves that |
| 00:16.42 | jcook | karsten: nope |
| 00:16.46 | jcook | autofs sucks |
| 00:16.46 | bob2 | apps don't care about inodes |
| 00:17.02 | jcook | bob2: there internal to the kernel? |
| 00:17.03 | Blissex | jcook: you really really need to read a lot more about UNIX design... |
| 00:17.04 | grendal_prime | hmm i cant get these damn nicks to cooporate with one another |
| 00:17.04 | karsten | jcook: Let's get away from specific implementations and get at what you want. |
| 00:17.12 | bob2 | jcook: to the filesystem |
| 00:17.23 | bob2 | jcook: what would an app do with them? |
| 00:17.30 | Blissex | jcook: and read also a fair bit about Plan 9 |
| 00:17.34 | bob2 | you can find out the inode number of a path with stat, tho |
| 00:17.37 | jcook | bob2: true |
| 00:17.42 | bbrazil | jcook: fstat returns the inode (among other things) |
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| 00:18.03 | Glitch_Master | Look, I just want my webcam to work. The v4l howtos only explain compiling and installing v4l. The explanation of what it does escapes me. The description on the site is pointless. What do I need to do to get the camera working?! I've only been on any kind of Linux for a few months, and I can't take much more of this. I just want it to work. All I want is to be able to open a video editing/recording program and access the c |
| 00:18.03 | Glitch_Master | amera. I don't want to research the core of linux video management or study the hardware encyclopedia. What do I need to do? |
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| 00:18.08 | karsten | jcook: Several of the comments you've made about autofs are flat wrong, FWIW. |
| 00:18.24 | karsten | jcook: ...and I've got a few setups which are close to what it is you're looking for. |
| 00:18.24 | jcook | karsten: ? |
| 00:18.38 | karsten | jcook: umounting after a period of unuse. It's a standard feature. |
| 00:18.46 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: perhaps you're asking in the wrong place |
| 00:18.54 | jcook | karsten: and I can use it to browse? |
| 00:18.56 | bob2 | irc is a terrible place to get help with complicated problems |
| 00:19.11 | Glitch_Master | I want quick answers. This should NOT be complicated. |
| 00:19.23 | jcook | karsten: I got the impression it only worked for nfs ... timeo=blah |
| 00:19.23 | karsten | jcook: There you're stuck, within autofs strictly, but adding that capability wouldn't be too difficult. |
| 00:19.30 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: and I want a pony |
| 00:19.36 | karsten | Glitch_Master: Mailing list. |
| 00:19.41 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: you have no right at all to expect help and complain if people don't answer |
| 00:19.53 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: asking on the debian-user list would be my recommendation |
| 00:20.05 | Glitch_Master | Understood. |
| 00:20.06 | jcook | karsten: how do i set the timeout to say 30 secs? |
| 00:20.07 | bob2 | there's quite a few people using webcams there |
| 00:20.30 | Glitch_Master | ... |
| 00:20.31 | karsten | jcook: 'TIMEOUT=30' in /etc/default/autofs |
| 00:20.33 | Glitch_Master | debian-user list is a place? |
| 00:20.35 | jcook | karsten: actually ... it doesn't matter ... cause it's still using the cifs kernel module ... which is broken |
| 00:20.41 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: it's a mailing list |
| 00:20.43 | ApEtc | Glitch_Master: It's a mailing list, check debian.org |
| 00:20.43 | karsten | Glitch_Master: lists.debian.org |
| 00:20.46 | Glitch_Master | Oh. |
| 00:20.54 | Glitch_Master | I hate waiting. -.- |
| 00:21.10 | bob2 | then offer money to get an answer now |
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| 00:21.16 | karsten | jcook: I use a mountpoint /net for my network mounts. If you wanted to, you could break this by protocol. |
| 00:21.20 | bob2 | for $us200 I'll take time off work to find your answer |
| 00:21.22 | ApEtc | "Payal $10 to first person to answer in under 1 hour!" |
| 00:21.28 | Guerin | Glitch_Master: bah |
| 00:21.34 | ApEtc | s/Payal/Paypal/ |
| 00:21.52 | Guerin | $10 for an hour's work |
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| 00:21.54 | Glitch_Master | I will make one final ranting statement, just to get it off my chest, however: All it is SUPPOSED to be is a program that runs a driver previously written in a file through the kernel, thus allowing it to communicate with the device and interpret signals before converting them into images. WHY does it require 20+ files?! |
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| 00:21.56 | Guerin | hey big spender |
| 00:22.03 | FieldySnuts | me? |
| 00:22.05 | Glitch_Master | Technically tha was a question... |
| 00:22.09 | Glitch_Master | that* |
| 00:22.21 | Glitch_Master | ....Whoa... depth perception... broken... |
| 00:22.21 | karsten | jcook: If I'm on a relatively stable SMB network, I'll scan it for hosts and shares. Note that you need authentication tokens (user/pass) on the workgroup/domain to be able to do this. |
| 00:22.26 | bob2 | modular code is good, m'kay |
| 00:22.37 | FieldySnuts | stable smb network is a realy big oxymoron |
| 00:22.45 | Guerin | Glitch_Master: complain to webcam manufacturers, not to the free software authors who have to reverse-engineer their obfuscated protocols and drivers without spec. |
| 00:22.48 | Guerin | !tardware |
| 00:22.48 | dpkg | tardware is probably the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include most ATI video cards, lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>. |
| 00:22.48 | jcook | karsten: I have a cred file |
| 00:22.54 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: amen |
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| 00:23.13 | bob2 | er |
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| 00:23.25 | bob2 | all ATI cards have 2d acceleration with X and Free drivers |
| 00:23.30 | FieldySnuts | gee, i wonder if zoom is a spammer. |
| 00:23.35 | bob2 | and everything up to 9600 has 3d acceleration with Free drivers |
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| 00:23.37 | Glitch_Master | Heh. This machine is full of tardware. |
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| 00:23.46 | karsten | jcook: I wrote a script to browse a network, find all shares, and add autofs mount rules for these. |
| 00:23.49 | phillipsjk | Glitch_Master: A lot happens "behind the scenes". Also explains why debuging is a pain. |
| 00:23.56 | bob2 | compared to nvidia, where nothing has 3d acceleration without binary drivers |
| 00:24.04 | jcook | karsten: sometimes I will get a new IP, while I have a cifs mount ... when i go to unmount the cifs mount point ... the the box just sits there ... it wont reboot cause the unmount never works (thus / cant be remounted ro) thus the box wont reboot ... which means I have to force the box to poweroff |
| 00:24.08 | Glitch_Master | ATI Radeon 7500. Lexmark z270. Etc. |
| 00:24.14 | bob2 | dpkg: tardware ~= s/most ATI video cards, // |
| 00:24.16 | jcook | karsten: that's cool |
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| 00:24.20 | Glitch_Master | I'd use my geforce, but it's retarded. |
| 00:24.25 | karsten | jcook: ...at that point, I had to create a symlink for each host and share. The method was semi-automated, not fully. Enough that it was pretty usable. |
| 00:24.32 | bob2 | ati 7500 is not tardware |
| 00:24.38 | Glitch_Master | Oh? |
| 00:24.39 | bob2 | it;s a little old, but it's well supported |
| 00:24.44 | Glitch_Master | I noticed this. |
| 00:24.45 | karsten | jcook: ...I could browse because I had a list of hosts & shares. |
| 00:24.54 | jcook | karsten: it's a nice hack |
| 00:24.56 | Glitch_Master | Yeah. A tad pokey, but it works well. |
| 00:25.01 | bob2 | if you used ubuntu, you'd get 3d acceleration from the first boot, even |
| 00:25.03 | Glitch_Master | I was just joking about the names. |
| 00:25.09 | Glitch_Master | Nice. |
| 00:25.18 | cafuego | bob2: yes, even on a mac mini ;-) |
| 00:25.23 | karsten | jcook: Note that under 'Doze, you're getting this information by polling the Workgroup / Domain periodically. IIRC 300 or 600 second intervals. So you could automate this to a pretty close approximation of 'Doze. |
| 00:25.25 | Glitch_Master | Now I'll just stop worrying about my shitty Creative NX Pro webcam and work towards getting a GOOD one. |
| 00:25.37 | Glitch_Master | Tell me, when properly supported, should a cam be easy to set up? |
| 00:26.04 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: my iSight 'just works' ;-) |
| 00:26.10 | karsten | jcook: One notable downside: each Linux share access counted as one concurrency. In a workgroup setting, I could rapidly exhaust the 10 allocated "free" shares simply by doing a directory listing. |
| 00:26.22 | karsten | jcook: FWIW, I set my timeout to ~3-5 seconds. |
| 00:26.24 | Glitch_Master | cafuego: Price? |
| 00:26.37 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: I'm not convinced it works with linux at all. |
| 00:26.38 | karsten | jcook: Looking for that script, FYI. |
| 00:26.44 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: Why don't I check... |
| 00:27.05 | Glitch_Master | cafuego: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html |
| 00:27.15 | Glitch_Master | "Creative 104 0x041e 0x401e Creative NX Pro PD1130 Zc0301P Hv7131b Yes jpeg spca5xx **** " |
| 00:27.19 | kingsley_ | After ping issues an ARP request over its private network, and no reply is forthcoming because a distant box's address was requested, what should happen next? Should ping ask the private net's gateway or router to forward the packet over the internet to the proper LAN? |
| 00:27.21 | AbTux | If I modify resolv.conf, how do I make it not get re written on a rebot? |
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| 00:27.24 | FieldySnuts | @lart Glitch_Master |
| 00:27.24 | AbTux | *reboot |
| 00:27.32 | karsten | AbTux: pppconfig. |
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| 00:27.45 | karsten | AbTux: It's your pon/poff that rewrites it, not boot. Dialup? |
| 00:27.55 | karsten | AbTux: ...or dhcp. So modify your dhcp client config. |
| 00:28.02 | jcook | karsten: the polling in doze isn't realy an issue .. i mean ... ... what I do is My Network Places->Workgroup |
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| 00:28.18 | karsten | jcook: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/link-to-share |
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| 00:28.47 | Glitch_Master | cafuego, you say that your isight worked without a problem? |
| 00:28.56 | karsten | jcook: ...I don't think there's any big secrets in there... Other than a CLASS A server address at $PRIOR_FIRM. |
| 00:28.58 | jcook | karsten: other way dude ... share-to-link |
| 00:29.03 | jcook | karsten: heh |
| 00:29.16 | karsten | Right. |
| 00:29.18 | karsten | Mistyped it. |
| 00:29.26 | karsten | jcook: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/share-to-link |
| 00:29.29 | jcook | karsten: your secret's safe with me |
| 00:29.50 | karsten | It's something I hacked up at a gig, just making sure it's not got any info in it.... |
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| 00:30.14 | Glitch_Master | cafuego, the lovely thing about the isight is that it COSTS $150. |
| 00:30.16 | karsten | Anyhow, prior to that there was some SMB browse command to find servers. |
| 00:30.18 | Glitch_Master | I have no money. I need a cheap, functional cam. |
| 00:30.33 | karsten | Glitch_Master: Sounds like a personal problem. |
| 00:30.43 | FieldySnuts | cheap hardware means some of that functionality is moved off into software. i.e. win hardware. good luck. |
| 00:30.46 | FieldySnuts | get what you pay for |
| 00:30.47 | AEo | what do i type 4 static ip i debian? |
| 00:30.56 | resiak | AEo: man interfaces |
| 00:31.01 | drac | AEo: man 5 interfaces, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:31.04 | ApEtc | AEo: check the man page |
| 00:31.22 | petemc | Glitch_Master: fwiw, that chip does seem to be supported, you need to compile a module against your running kernel, you need to learn how to do that |
| 00:31.23 | AEo | k |
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| 00:31.44 | karsten | jcook: so the steps not included are: 1). Get server list. 2). Create dir for each server in /net/ 3). Run share-to-link iterated over the server dirs (bash loop). 4. autofs mount rules for same. |
| 00:31.48 | Glitch_Master | petemc: I don't want to learn something I'll never use again. |
| 00:31.55 | petemc | Glitch_Master: sucks to be you |
| 00:32.00 | FieldySnuts | have fun not using it then |
| 00:32.07 | distempr | I asked this question yesterday, regarding my fonts. I don't know how to go about fixing this issue, and it's hard to describe. I think maybe a codepage is messed up or some configuration issue is present. Here's the screenshot: http://saturn.linuxsecured.net/screenie.png |
| 00:32.11 | Glitch_Master | I don't want to use this one. I want to use one I can trust. |
| 00:32.14 | petemc | fat and lazy, a winning combination |
| 00:32.23 | distempr | Please gimme a clue, since it's driving me batty. |
| 00:32.24 | karsten | jcook: ...which could be cronned to run every few minutes if you really wanted to. Sanitity tests for "am I really on this network" could be done. You've now got a largely browsable SMB/CIFS network. |
| 00:32.27 | jcook | maybe one day add those to autofs deb pkg |
| 00:32.30 | Glitch_Master | I don't have the time or the money to improve these things. |
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| 00:32.32 | karsten | distempr: Rhymes with orange. |
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| 00:32.53 | karsten | jcook: There's also some stuff that was going on with LUFS, though that appears to have died. |
| 00:32.59 | Glitch_Master | I'm not actually fat. I was playing along with the donut thing. :P |
| 00:33.15 | petemc | Glitch_Master: i guessed as much.. |
| 00:33.22 | karsten | jcook: Personally I'd like to see shell semantics for "proto://server/path" to be supported, possibly with a symlink context. |
| 00:33.24 | factotum | now try playing along with the module thing |
| 00:33.40 | petemc | some people have glandular problems, i wouldnt mock that |
| 00:33.58 | jcook | bob2: how DOES say smbfs/cifs work in the kernel ... ie ... the kernel will have a filedes to inode map for each app? |
| 00:33.59 | FieldySnuts | oh don't take it so seriously, this is IRC and people are just screwing around. |
| 00:34.03 | FieldySnuts | nobody means it personally |
| 00:34.14 | karsten | jcook: ...which would give you your userspace access to stuff. Of course, '/' as a directory path delimiter introduces problems. But tools like mc and nautilus already function close to this. |
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| 00:34.48 | karsten | jcook: Sockets, I suspect. |
| 00:34.49 | jcook | karsten: have you seen smbtree ? |
| 00:34.56 | karsten | jcook: Possibly. |
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| 00:35.15 | binarydigit | 01 |
| 00:35.17 | bob2 | jcook: presumably it concocts one for the whole share |
| 00:35.24 | bob2 | or maps clusters to inodes or something |
| 00:35.28 | FieldySnuts | asdf |
| 00:35.53 | jcook | bob2: hmmmmm |
| 00:35.57 | distempr | karsten: heh well... :x I don't even know wtf to google for. |
| 00:36.19 | distempr | I have no idea which package might eff it up so. |
| 00:36.22 | bob2 | I don't know what information cifs passes along |
| 00:36.36 | daxal | information stuff |
| 00:36.40 | daxal | yea that's it |
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| 00:37.00 | karsten | distempr: What's your locale? 'locale' |
| 00:37.22 | smacnay__ | Does either w3m or links have the ability to save very long link names to a file? Or is there a better console web browding app out there. |
| 00:37.38 | jcook | bob2: but the kernel diffinatly always has a filedes to inode ? ... it wouldn't ... cause a terminal wouldn't have an inode ?hmmm /dev/tty would have an inode ... im so confused |
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| 00:37.59 | bob2 | why are you fixated on inodes? |
| 00:38.00 | karsten | smacnay__: bookmarks in w3m ;-) |
| 00:38.05 | phillipsjk | smacnay__ without wraping? |
| 00:38.06 | bob2 | /dev/tty is just a normal file |
| 00:38.10 | distempr | karsten: en_US |
| 00:38.11 | bob2 | of course it has an inode |
| 00:38.15 | jcook | bob2: isn't that how the kernel does it? |
| 00:38.26 | karsten | distempr: I'm assuming it's the rectangles, right? |
| 00:38.28 | bob2 | jcook: does what? |
| 00:38.33 | FieldySnuts | not all filesystems use inodes anyway |
| 00:38.35 | distempr | karsten: yes indeed |
| 00:38.40 | FieldySnuts | devfs being one of them if you happen to use it |
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| 00:38.50 | karsten | distempr: Hrm. |
| 00:38.52 | smacnay__ | phillipsjk: I need to transfer the long link name to another console's command line as an argument. |
| 00:38.52 | jcook | bob2: read/write |
| 00:39.22 | karsten | distempr: I'm inclined to suggest UTF-8 locale, though I don't have that particular problem. What's your font in, um, is that gnome-terminal? |
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| 00:39.24 | smacnay__ | karsten: never thought of bookmarking but will that allow me to paste that link to another console's command line as an arg? |
| 00:39.26 | distempr | karsten: I've dpkg-reconfigured (and --reinstalled) all *-fonts packages so far. |
| 00:39.35 | bob2 | jcook: I'm pretty sure it's only the vfs layer that cares about that |
| 00:39.43 | bob2 | the rest works on dentries, iirc |
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| 00:39.48 | bob2 | tho I may not rc |
| 00:40.00 | distempr | karsten: that's Eterm, fixed font (from what I can tell, since Eterm's a bit wishy-washy explaining what defaults it uses) |
| 00:40.02 | karsten | smacnay__: '=' will show you page info. You can cut'n'paste the link location from there, though it's usually wrapped over several lines. |
| 00:40.10 | karsten | distempr: OK. |
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| 00:40.24 | karsten | distempr: woody/stable or sarge/testing ? |
| 00:40.35 | distempr | sid (amd-64) |
| 00:40.44 | phillipsjk | smacnay__ The annoying way is to do it in 2-8 steps. |
| 00:40.57 | jcook | where is stat_t defined? |
| 00:41.08 | daxal | in the source |
| 00:41.10 | jcook | woops .. .not _t |
| 00:41.10 | phillipsjk | smacnay__ The premanent solution is to set up an "external viewer" |
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| 00:42.07 | morris | i am trying to compile a program that is exiting due to not having termcap |
| 00:42.13 | morris | what package will give me this? |
| 00:42.25 | FieldySnuts | if you don't have that heh you have more serious problems |
| 00:42.34 | morris | lol |
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| 00:42.43 | morris | its an installation of ubuntu |
| 00:42.46 | bob2 | morris: pasting the full error to #flood is a good start |
| 00:42.49 | morris | it seems to miss out lots of stuff |
| 00:42.49 | bob2 | morris: #ubuntu |
| 00:42.50 | FieldySnuts | ask #ubuntu then |
| 00:42.50 | bob2 | duh |
| 00:42.54 | FieldySnuts | *sigh* |
| 00:42.58 | morris | bob2, im in there |
| 00:42.59 | bob2 | no, ubuntu includes everything debian does |
| 00:43.06 | bob2 | morris: then why on earth are you asking here? |
| 00:43.12 | morris | ubuntu defaults without a c compiler |
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| 00:43.17 | bob2 | of course |
| 00:43.18 | bob2 | as does Debian |
| 00:43.22 | morris | ah ok |
| 00:43.29 | morris | well |
| 00:43.34 | morris | i dont see why i cant ask u guys |
| 00:43.36 | morris | ;p |
| 00:43.53 | bob2 | er |
| 00:44.00 | bob2 | mainly because you're not using Debian |
| 00:44.04 | morris | well since debian packages install |
| 00:44.06 | daxal | morris: it's like asking #redhat about mandrake just because it uses rpms. COMPLETLY different distros!!! |
| 00:44.12 | morris | yea |
| 00:44.16 | bob2 | no, sorry |
| 00:44.18 | FieldySnuts | morris: we hear this 20 times a day. Please, please, please PLEEEASE don't push it |
| 00:44.19 | morris | well im not here to upset you |
| 00:44.23 | Wyzard | morris: The name of the package containing the compiler happens to be the same between Debian and Ubuntu, but in general, Ubuntu has differences from Debian that we don't keep track of because we don't use it |
| 00:44.24 | bob2 | ok, thanks |
| 00:44.28 | bob2 | #ubuntu it is then |
| 00:44.34 | morris | gotcha |
| 00:44.36 | smacnay__ | phillipsjk: thanks |
| 00:44.40 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 00:44.41 | morris | cool cool |
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| 00:44.53 | morris | thanks guys ;p |
| 00:44.57 | morris | i do appreciate it |
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| 00:45.07 | morris | and sorry for seeming to be a fuckwit |
| 00:45.10 | daxal | thanks for understanding :) |
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| 00:45.18 | FieldySnuts | yeah thanks for understanding, most don't understand and get mad... |
| 00:45.32 | FieldySnuts | sometimes we get upset early over it because of that.. |
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| 00:46.11 | morris | yea |
| 00:46.12 | FieldySnuts | !annoy Phated |
| 00:46.14 | morris | i can understand |
| 00:46.15 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: So far so good... |
| 00:46.18 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: hi |
| 00:46.18 | dpkg | hello |
| 00:46.19 | daxal | FieldySnuts: you mean Phated? |
| 00:46.22 | k-man_ | is there a way to get the config of the currently running kernel and put all those options into a new kernel tree if you see what i mean |
| 00:46.27 | DA_ | can i get a sample security.debian.org line for sources.list? |
| 00:46.34 | TwistedEmotions | How do I find out my ethernet number..? |
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| 00:46.46 | daxal | TwistedEmotions: man ifconfig ? |
| 00:46.46 | TwistedEmotions | I mean whhere my lan card is located.. |
| 00:46.47 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: ip link show |
| 00:46.59 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: Do you mean your IP address, or your MAC address? |
| 00:47.08 | TwistedEmotions | Good enough.. |
| 00:47.18 | bob2 | k-man_: ls /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 00:47.21 | Bozza | Hi, every time i reload my iptables firewall i have to reconnect my net connection or websites will start loading then suddenly stop, is there a rule or something that im missing that causes this? |
| 00:47.23 | bob2 | k-man_: assuming it's a debian kernel |
| 00:47.29 | nite613 | k-man_: cp /boot/config-X.X.X /usr/src/linux/.config then make oldconfig |
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| 00:47.30 | bob2 | DA_: you don't have one already? |
| 00:47.31 | TwistedEmotions | just wanted to know if I was using eth0 or eth1 |
| 00:47.34 | k-man_ | bob2, oh, interesting |
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| 00:47.53 | k-man_ | damn , it wasn't a debian kernel |
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| 00:47.57 | DA_ | bob2: nah im slacking off on this box really bad, dpkg hooked me up |
| 00:47.59 | k-man_ | it was one i compiled from scratch |
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| 00:48.09 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: Oh... run /sbin/route and look on the row labeled "default", in the "iface" column |
| 00:48.09 | slugbug | Is there a way that I can have a command run as soon as a device node shows up (as in a USB device)? |
| 00:48.22 | jcook | bob2: any idea what/how st_dev in the stat struct is used (/usr/include/bits/stat.h) ... |
| 00:48.25 | Wyzard | slugbug: hotplug and/or udev |
| 00:48.26 | DA_ | bob2: besides its unstable branch and im not doing a whole lot with it atm |
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| 00:48.41 | slugbug | Wyzard: do you know of any more specific instructions? |
| 00:48.46 | phillipsjk | TwistedEmotions : It is a 12 hexdigit number on a small sticker. |
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| 00:49.47 | bob2 | jcook: it respresents which device it is, each has it's own |
| 00:49.52 | bob2 | DA_: unstable has no security updates |
| 00:49.59 | bob2 | slugbug: you can hook into hotplug |
| 00:50.02 | Wyzard | slugbug: udev is preferable if you use it... look in /etc/udev, and "man udev" |
| 00:50.10 | DA_ | bob2: thats what i thought... |
| 00:50.13 | slugbug | okay, thanks |
| 00:50.26 | Wyzard | slugbug: If you don't have udev then you need to do it directly with hotplug which is more low-level, but I don't know details of that |
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| 00:51.25 | jerware | komozo hyellowww !! |
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| 00:51.35 | jcook | bob2: yeah ... but how would that relate to say nfs/cifs/smb/... ? |
| 00:51.47 | kelan | is there a version of d-i that has udev? the normal version still uses devfs, doesnt it? |
| 00:51.54 | bob2 | jcook: I imagine each mount point gets a device number internally |
| 00:52.03 | FieldySnuts | !irritate udev |
| 00:52.03 | dpkg | udev: hi every1 how does I run teh edonkey !!!! |
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| 00:52.31 | resiak | !irritate FieldySnuts' field |
| 00:52.32 | dpkg | FieldySnuts' field: Y iz debain so old? who uses cable kk |
| 00:53.44 | daxal | I could see dpkg's comment to udev actually occuring here on the weekend. |
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| 00:54.34 | kelan | !magic hate ball |
| 00:54.47 | kelan | i love you, dpkg! |
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| 00:55.12 | slugbug | wow, those are some neat items |
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| 00:56.09 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 00:56.16 | FieldySnuts | @fix mentoroftoasts connection |
| 00:56.21 | phillipsjk | but.. what causes non-free software? oh right. |
| 00:56.21 | daxal | mentoroftoast: that nick makes me hungry. with the added combination of honey of course. |
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| 00:58.24 | Ry12 | how do u reconfigure time in debian |
| 00:58.36 | resiak | TIME CUBE! |
| 00:58.44 | daxal | !toast |
| 00:58.44 | dpkg | i guess toast is a foreign substance entered through one of the bodys many holes that can be used as an energy source. A man once said that toast is great with marmite - but you either love it or you hate it, personally i prefer cheese on my toast, red leicester cheese...... my mouth be watering....... |
| 00:58.46 | jetscreamer | date, or tzconfig iirc |
| 00:59.03 | jetscreamer | see also ntpdate |
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| 00:59.20 | jetscreamer | you can guess what tzconfig might do i guess |
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| 00:59.34 | phillipsjk | ry12 man date? |
| 00:59.58 | daxal | it beats editing /proc/kcore ! |
| 01:00.03 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:00.17 | k-man_ | is there some program for managing downloading and applying kernel patches? |
| 01:00.21 | Ry12 | i need to change it so it knows bios time is gmt not local |
| 01:00.27 | FieldySnuts | you should not do this: ln -hf /dev/zero /proc/kcore |
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| 01:01.07 | etzerd | Hello room |
| 01:01.09 | etzerd | ? |
| 01:01.11 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 01:01.21 | freedom101 | hi |
| 01:01.24 | daxal | hi |
| 01:01.28 | foxiness | hi |
| 01:01.29 | GooZ | who is room ? |
| 01:01.31 | FieldySnuts | oh hi, oh gee |
| 01:01.33 | GooZ | hi |
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| 01:01.52 | garung | mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/hdb1 << is it format partition hdb1? |
| 01:02.06 | MobyTurbo | !permasunda |
| 01:02.15 | MobyTurbo | !permasunday |
| 01:02.16 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 01:02.48 | freedom101 | i just install alsa but xmms play only when im root you have a idea what i can do? |
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| 01:03.42 | shingouz | freedom101: Add yourself to group audio, logout and login |
| 01:03.55 | resiak | !sing permasunday |
| 01:03.57 | resiak | :( |
| 01:04.19 | FieldySnuts | !blame mentoroftoasts connection |
| 01:04.19 | freedom101 | ok i logout |
| 01:04.56 | MobyTurbo | resiak: "sing sunday" has lyrics appropriate for permasunday |
| 01:05.12 | etzerd | I have an ATI 9200 video card. I'm installing Debian Sarge at the end of the installation it detect my video card as VESA then the highest resolution I get is 800X600. How can I get Debian to recognized my ATI card? |
| 01:05.14 | resiak | !sing permasunday is <reply> see sing sunday |
| 01:05.14 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 01:05.16 | resiak | MobyTurbo: Yes, it does. |
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| 01:05.45 | FieldySnuts | not cool. power sag and the ups did not kick in... grr |
| 01:05.47 | MobyTurbo | bbiab |
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| 01:05.52 | freedom101 | its working |
| 01:06.00 | shingouz | freedom101: It should |
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| 01:06.15 | freedom101 | i forgot that i have to logout for the chage make effect |
| 01:06.24 | shingouz | freedom101: :) |
| 01:07.27 | distempr | OMFG! |
| 01:08.01 | etzerd | Nobody can help me with the ATI 9200 video card question! |
| 01:08.03 | resiak | !announce permasunday is <reply> Are YOU missing the joys of Sunday in your life? Fear no more! Simply /j #debian, and experience Sunday EVERY DAY! If you /join now, you'll get a limited edition golden (Ubuntu|Knoppix|Kanotix|Mepis|Fedora Core) CD! |
| 01:08.03 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
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| 01:08.30 | shingouz | !tell etzerd about ati |
| 01:09.03 | kelan | did you figure out the font problem, distempr? |
| 01:09.07 | garung | mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/hda5. << will all the data lost? |
| 01:09.11 | garung | if you do this command? |
| 01:09.33 | shingouz | garung: You are formatting the drive. Yes, data will be lost |
| 01:09.34 | deadcat | whereis LS_COLORS defined? my account is unset but when i create a regular account it works. |
| 01:09.39 | garung | oh shit |
| 01:09.42 | garung | :( |
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| 01:09.52 | distempr | kelan: naw, it's just driving me nuts. Doing a 'less README' is absolutely painful, it actually loses lines... |
| 01:09.54 | etzerd | shingouz: for the last 3 weeks I just cannot get it to work. Debian just detect the ATI 9200 card as VESA. When I choose ATI from the display instead of vesa I have an errox of XSERVER. What can I do? |
| 01:10.12 | kelan | deadcat: i think i gets put in the default bashrc |
| 01:10.35 | Guerin | !tell etzerd about hwinfo |
| 01:10.36 | deadcat | kelan: grep -r LS_COLOR in /etc doesnt show it though |
| 01:10.39 | dvs | etzerd: Look at your /var/log/XFree86.0.log for (EE) |
| 01:10.45 | resiak | etzerd: Are you using Woody, perchance? |
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| 01:11.05 | shingouz | etzerd: You need to reconfigure the Xserver. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and make it use the Ati drivers |
| 01:11.06 | FieldySnuts | @fuck mentoroftoast |
| 01:11.10 | resiak | garung: Why, what, did you think it would back your data up automagically or something? |
| 01:11.11 | FieldySnuts | brb |
| 01:11.13 | kelan | deadcat: the 'dircolors' command sets it when you give it the -b option |
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| 01:11.18 | shingouz | etzerd: Read what dpkg tol you also |
| 01:11.38 | deadcat | kelan: thanks (= |
| 01:11.46 | kelan | welcome |
| 01:12.01 | shingouz | !tell etzerd about ati drivers |
| 01:12.09 | deadcat | kelan: ah.. /etc/skel/.bashrc, i dont use that for my own shell (= |
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| 01:12.29 | lexxan | !tell lexxan about ati drivers |
| 01:12.43 | kelan | distempr: did you try force-reinstalling all the xfonts-* packages you have installed? |
| 01:13.11 | etzerd | resiak: I do not know If I'm using woody or not. I believe that I download the last version of Sarge which is 3.1 |
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| 01:13.33 | dvs | etzerd: cat /etc/debianversion |
| 01:13.46 | dvs | etzerd: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:13.47 | daxal | (read carefully) what are my options for getting an nvidia card running with X w/o tainting the kernel from a pure gpl? |
| 01:13.59 | lexxan | 3.1 |
| 01:14.01 | Guerin | daxal: use 'nv' driver |
| 01:14.03 | jetscreamer | !find glx |
| 01:14.09 | lexxan | type /exec -o cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:14.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'glx' (6 of 21): (/usr/bin/rss-glx_install.pl) in x11/rss-glx ;; (/usr/include/GL/glx_mangle.h) in libdevel/mesag-dev ;; (/usr/lib/vlc/video_output/libglx_plugin.so) in graphics/vlc ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/{glxgears|glxinfo}) in x11/xbase-clients ;; (/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clx/glx.lisp) in devel/cl-clx-sbcl ;; (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a) in x11/xserver-xfree86. |
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| 01:14.12 | kelan | daxal: do you want 3d accel? |
| 01:14.16 | etzerd | and the keyboard also is an other issue when I type somethging bunch of garbage display on the screen |
| 01:14.21 | Guerin | kelan: not an option |
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| 01:14.30 | daxal | I only use 2d, so 3d isn't neccessary |
| 01:14.31 | kelan | i know |
| 01:14.33 | jetscreamer | reset maybe, etzerd |
| 01:14.36 | kelan | thats why i was asking |
| 01:14.38 | jetscreamer | type it |
| 01:14.54 | kelan | daxal: if you dont need 3d, use the 'nv' driver |
| 01:15.06 | kelan | like Guerin said above |
| 01:15.16 | daxal | groovy |
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| 01:15.37 | etzerd | now guys tell me which version should I install the 3.0 or the Sarge? |
| 01:15.45 | Guerin | !d-i etzerd |
| 01:15.46 | dpkg | etzerd, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:15.48 | dvs | etzerd: sarge |
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| 01:16.41 | jetscreamer | does that mean reset worked? |
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| 01:20.57 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: Still here? |
| 01:21.25 | phillipsjk | !seen Glitch_Master |
| 01:21.26 | dpkg | glitch_master <glitch@pool-141-157-188-194.bos.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 48m 27s ago, saying: 'I'm not actually fat. I was playing along with the donut thing. :P'. |
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| 01:21.37 | cafuego | bitch |
| 01:21.37 | morris | night guys |
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| 01:22.09 | lexxan | whats a good light weight window manager either than fluxbox |
| 01:22.22 | dvs | lexxan: xfce is getting rave reviews |
| 01:22.34 | genix__ | How can I replace (header.php) with ('header.php')? Ex (that's not working): sed -i s/\(header.php)/\(\'header\'\.php)/ 1.php |
| 01:22.36 | rob_lt | lexxan: I used to like openbox alot too. |
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| 01:23.19 | lexxan | gnome is a lil snow on my p233 laptop :P |
| 01:23.27 | kelan | twm is pretty light |
| 01:23.34 | jetscreamer | !info icewm-gnome |
| 01:23.40 | dpkg | icewm-gnome: (wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.2.20+21pre1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 01:24.01 | shingouz | lexxan: Why do you have ot use Gnome then |
| 01:24.12 | lexxan | that's why i'm asking for something light weight :p |
| 01:24.18 | shingouz | xfce |
| 01:24.29 | rob_lt | genix__: what's wrong with sed -i "s/(header.php)/('header.php')/g" test.txt |
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| 01:25.48 | distempr | kelan distempr: did you try force-reinstalling all the xfonts-* packages you have installed? <-- yes |
| 01:26.25 | distempr | lexxan: ratpoison... no joke.. or ion3 |
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| 01:26.55 | doub | rob_lt: group parens maybe |
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| 01:27.30 | doub | genix__: maybe just put them between \( \) instead of straight () |
| 01:27.59 | rob_lt | doub, my method works |
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| 01:28.33 | doub | rob_lt: so everything's fine |
| 01:28.33 | resiak | !start a wm war |
| 01:28.34 | dpkg | KDE blows! |
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| 01:29.06 | genix__ | doub, rob_lt Here is what I'm after (but I want 'header' and 'footer' and then this wont work): for file in $(find /work/www/x/ -name "*.php"); do sed -i '1s/.*/<?php require_once (header.php); ?>\n\n&/ ; $s/.*/&\n\n<?php require_once (footer.php); ?>/' "$file"; done |
| 01:29.08 | rob_lt | doub: I hope so :) |
| 01:29.08 | lexxan | i hate kde too |
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| 01:29.40 | doub | CLI is life |
| 01:29.46 | tkd | my friends , is possible tosend a messagem in the qmail , but the quota is finished ? |
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| 01:30.05 | rob_lt | genix__: sorry, but I'm just headed out the door. If you're still here when I get back and haven't got a solution, I'll try to help. You'll find excellent help for this type of stuff in #bash though... they are real gurus there. |
| 01:30.40 | distempr | Yeh, kde should just branch and create their own distro... might as well, rid the rest of the world. |
| 01:30.50 | distempr | *of the pain* |
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| 01:30.56 | debian | doub: no war bot, please |
| 01:31.02 | genix__ | rob_lt, I know, but I've ask this one to many times now in #bash =) |
| 01:31.04 | tkd | my friends , is possible to send a messagem in the qmail whith the quota finished ? |
| 01:31.10 | doub | !troll distempr |
| 01:31.11 | tkd | my friends , is possible to send a messagem in the qmail whith the quota finished ? |
| 01:31.34 | phillipsjk | distempr : that's not knoppix? |
| 01:32.12 | distempr | phillipsjk: meh I guess... though it's not really a "distro" .. alright so it is... |
| 01:32.15 | doub | debian: why not ? |
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| 01:32.35 | dvs | damn mentoroftoast |
| 01:32.36 | doub | debian: isn't life just about war against the whole world ? |
| 01:32.38 | tkd | my friends , is possible to send a messagem in the qmail whith the quota finished ? |
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| 01:32.50 | doub | tkd: no |
| 01:32.51 | dvs | !tell tkd -about repeating |
| 01:33.04 | kingsley_ | What's a good pop3 server? |
| 01:33.12 | dondelelcaro | kingsley_: dovecot is decent |
| 01:33.16 | daxal | suvery says *ding* apt-cache search |
| 01:33.17 | doub | kingsley_: qpopper |
| 01:33.18 | resiak | !good |
| 01:33.18 | dpkg | well, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 01:33.37 | debian | doub: say, I don't want to see another stupid war bot in new Star War. :) |
| 01:33.52 | tkd | dvs , you use qmail ? |
| 01:33.59 | dvs | tkd: no |
| 01:34.01 | doub | debian: star wars is just some plain holywood movie |
| 01:34.09 | doub | debian: stupid that is |
| 01:34.15 | dvs | debian: no more Star Wars you want? |
| 01:34.20 | tkd | i try in the #qmail but the people dont respond |
| 01:34.27 | doub | debian: there's no damn sound in space, holy sh** |
| 01:34.32 | debian | dvs: the series give war bot a bad name. :) |
| 01:34.42 | dvs | debian: OK |
| 01:34.44 | debian | doub: lol |
| 01:35.08 | daxal | doub: have you been there? how do you know? ;) |
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| 01:35.22 | doub | daxal: albert told me |
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| 01:36.42 | phillipsjk | Only wimps do case mods; REAL men mod circuit boards! /bait |
| 01:37.00 | dvs | phillipsjk: Yeah! Create motherboards from scratch! |
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| 01:37.05 | doub | phillipsjk: define REAL |
| 01:37.07 | jetscreamer | just nail the mb to a piece of plywood |
| 01:37.17 | dvs | jetscreamer: clock? |
| 01:38.16 | jetscreamer | be kinda overkill, but np eh |
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| 01:38.25 | phillipsjk | doub: brave, show-off, ingenius, stupid. |
| 01:38.42 | daxal | I pick C |
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| 01:39.01 | abrotman | D!!! |
| 01:39.22 | doub | D too |
| 01:39.30 | dvs | R2? |
| 01:39.34 | MobyTurbo | yes, but C is a more common language |
| 01:39.49 | daxal | there's always perl |
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| 01:40.58 | Wyzard | Haskell! |
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| 01:43.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: you freak |
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| 01:43.34 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: Bah, I'm using a program written in Haskell right now |
| 01:44.12 | Wyzard | (darcs) |
| 01:45.02 | abrotman | Wyzard: how is it compared to arch ? |
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| 01:46.00 | Wyzard | Much nicer, so far |
| 01:46.20 | Wyzard | No stupid naming conventions, for one thing |
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| 01:47.03 | abrotman | arch has stupid naming conventions ? |
| 01:47.06 | kelan | i like darcs, but i have not tried arch to compare |
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| 01:47.46 | Wyzard | Repositories contain categories, categories contain branches, branches contain versions, and versions contain revisions |
| 01:47.50 | nn | so no one anywhere on freenode knows this? |
| 01:48.24 | Wyzard | so to apply one patch from a repository, for example, I might have to type something like "tla replay gssh--main--1.0--patch-37" to specify which patch I want |
| 01:48.37 | C17H21NO4 | Can I do some routing trickery by sending packets through on interface via dns name and add a second name in the hosts file to send packets to the same address via a second interface? |
| 01:48.38 | UdontKnow | nn: man debootstrap |
| 01:48.47 | UdontKnow | nn: google knows |
| 01:48.53 | UdontKnow | nn: you should google more often |
| 01:49.01 | Wyzard | C17H21NO4: Routing via DNS name? |
| 01:49.01 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.11 | nn | UdontKnow: there -used- to be a base system tarball |
| 01:49.16 | C17H21NO4 | Wyzard: Yes, I suppose. |
| 01:49.17 | abrotman | slow in here this evening:) |
| 01:49.24 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:49.38 | Wyzard | C17H21NO4: If you have several DNS names pointing at the same IP address and you want to route packets differently based on which of those DNS names they were "for", no, you can't do that |
| 01:49.48 | UdontKnow | nn: afaik it didnt change |
| 01:49.50 | UdontKnow | heh |
| 01:50.12 | nn | UdontKnow: i dug around in my mirror and not see it |
| 01:50.27 | UdontKnow | shrug |
| 01:50.31 | UdontKnow | I am not a debian user |
| 01:50.38 | UdontKnow | thats the best I can tell you |
| 01:50.39 | UdontKnow | :) |
| 01:50.40 | Wyzard | abrotman: I really like the patch-reordering stuff too, though I haven't had an opportunity to actually put it to use yet |
| 01:50.47 | C17H21NO4 | Wyzard: Is there another way that I can route packets to the same ip over 2 different interfaces? |
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| 01:51.06 | shastry | hi all! |
| 01:51.08 | shingouz | !tell nn about chroot install |
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| 01:51.12 | oneo | hey guys - i have a script that needs to start whenever linux starts but it needs to run as root or else it freezes...how could i go about doing that? |
| 01:51.17 | abrotman | Wyzard: so basically . you've not used it at all :) |
| 01:51.25 | shingouz | nn: Check that one out, should have most of the information you need |
| 01:51.27 | cafuego | nn: 'debootstrap' is trivially easy. |
| 01:51.31 | pureone | oneo make a init.d script |
| 01:51.33 | shastry | just wondering. what database does dpkg use in the backend ? |
| 01:51.33 | Wyzard | abrotman: Well, I'm currently still importing my stuff from arch |
| 01:51.42 | abrotman | Wyzard: arch was that bad ? |
| 01:51.59 | oneo | pureone - i did, it freezes |
| 01:52.11 | Wyzard | abrotman: But even doing development, patch reordering doesn't become necessary until you have several lines of development proceeding in parallel and merging each other's changes |
| 01:52.12 | pureone | ok run it with verbose on |
| 01:52.19 | Wyzard | abrotman: No, arch isn't bad, but darcs is better :-) |
| 01:52.21 | nn | cafuego: yea |
| 01:52.27 | nn | cafuego: trinity:~# debootstrap sid /home/rtosdc/ file:///home/rtosdc/var/mirrors/debian/ |
| 01:52.28 | nn | done |
| 01:52.32 | pureone | and see what command it freezes on and then change the command a bit so it dont freeze |
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| 01:52.42 | abrotman | Wyzard: this is like different kinds of sex .. it's all good :) |
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| 01:53.00 | nn | cafuego: didnt know there was an app to do it, but i do now |
| 01:53.05 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 01:53.19 | shastry | Arch ? whats arch ? |
| 01:53.26 | nn | ciao |
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| 01:53.29 | shastry | btw, anyone know the answer to my question ? |
| 01:53.55 | Wyzard | shastry: It's a revision control system, similar in purpose to CVS and Subversion, but better |
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| 01:54.12 | abrotman | dvs: that |
| 01:54.16 | abrotman | dvs: that's like raking :) |
| 01:54.17 | shastry | Wyzard, no .. the database used to store the info abt installed packages.. |
| 01:54.24 | abrotman | !arch |
| 01:54.24 | dvs | hahahahah |
| 01:54.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, arch is a source control revision system that developers can use to develop projects in a distributed fashion. Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch |
| 01:54.26 | shastry | it uses that even there ? |
| 01:54.30 | deadcat | been watching family guy lately? (= |
| 01:54.37 | shastry | oh .. you are talking abt arch.. |
| 01:54.51 | shastry | i was thinking you are talking abt the database .. dpkg uses |
| 01:54.51 | Wyzard | hehe, sorry |
| 01:55.15 | Wyzard | No, I'm not sure if I'd even call that a database |
| 01:55.19 | Wyzard | more like "big flat text file" |
| 01:55.31 | Wyzard | datadump, perhaps |
| 01:55.40 | shastry | single file ? |
| 01:55.42 | shastry | whoa |
| 01:56.08 | Wyzard | /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 01:56.39 | shastry | ehmm.. no i dont have debian here |
| 01:56.44 | shastry | (i'm on archlinux) |
| 01:56.46 | Wyzard | oh, ok |
| 01:57.07 | shastry | i'm interested to know how dpkg works.. i mean what database thinkgy it uses to store |
| 01:57.11 | Wyzard | Anyway, it'd be nice if it used BDB or something, but it probably doesn't make much difference |
| 01:57.16 | dvs | !smite shastry |
| 01:57.24 | shastry | yowww! |
| 01:57.27 | Wyzard | Updating the status file is a relatively small task anyway |
| 01:57.28 | shastry | you ppl are hostile! |
| 01:57.37 | shastry | not just status file.. |
| 01:57.45 | shastry | how is the filelist ? |
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| 01:57.54 | Delph | packages.debian.org and gofind the source? |
| 01:58.02 | shastry | :( |
| 01:58.17 | Delph | as in it's probably easier than asking here -- this is users, not developers |
| 01:58.20 | shastry | the source is not worth reading imo :P |
| 01:58.37 | shastry | just 1 last question: |
| 01:58.42 | Aradorn | is it possible to recompile my debian kernel thats on another HDD whlie using Knoppix? |
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| 01:59.01 | abrotman | Aradorn: erm .. why ? |
| 01:59.04 | dvs | ow |
| 01:59.09 | garung | how come there is a dir i cant remove? i did it as root |
| 01:59.10 | shingouz | Aradorn: Maybe but I do not see the point really |
| 01:59.15 | shastry | The file that contains the list of files installed by a package.. how/where is it stored ? |
| 01:59.15 | Wyzard | shastry: Filelists are kept in separate text files, 1 per package |
| 01:59.19 | Aradorn | trying to get my USB HDD to boot |
| 01:59.25 | Wyzard | shastry: Flat text, one filename per line |
| 01:59.26 | shastry | Wyzard, aah so its all files |
| 01:59.27 | Aradorn | having a tough time |
| 01:59.43 | shastry | no database at all ? |
| 01:59.46 | shingouz | shastry: You can extract the installed packages with dpkg though |
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| 01:59.59 | abrotman | so .. like .. compared to a real university .. what's a 4.0 at CLC worth ? :) |
| 01:59.59 | Delph | shastry: that *is* a database |
| 02:00.16 | Wyzard | shastry: You don't really need anything more complex than that to store a list of files |
| 02:00.27 | shastry | lol .. i mean the other ones like sqlite or berk db |
| 02:00.36 | Delph | shastry: but the filelists aren't relational |
| 02:00.42 | garung | hey how come i can't remove a dir with rooot? |
| 02:00.43 | shastry | yea but when the text files grow.. it will take more time to process |
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| 02:00.53 | garung | it still say permission |
| 02:00.55 | Delph | why use a relational database for it when there isn't really a relation? |
| 02:01.03 | abrotman | what .. noone wants to take that ? |
| 02:01.14 | shingouz | shastry: It is not like you have a gazillion megabytes of data in that text file in anycase |
| 02:01.19 | Wyzard | shastry: That'd be a problem if it was one giant text file containing all filelists for all installed packages, but with a separate filelist for each package, it's not an issue |
| 02:01.26 | Delph | Database: A collection of data arranged for ease and speed of search and retrieval. |
| 02:01.29 | kelan | daxal: listening to your network? |
| 02:01.31 | meepish | im running sarge (unstable?) but i would like to apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.26, however it does not let me, anyone know how/why its not letting me? |
| 02:01.36 | Delph | it's easy, it's fast. |
| 02:01.43 | daxal | kelan: something like that. |
| 02:01.47 | garung | can someone help me? |
| 02:01.49 | shastry | wokay! |
| 02:01.59 | abrotman | 2.56! |
| 02:02.00 | kelan | garung: what does the error say? |
| 02:02.01 | shastry | i got the point! :) |
| 02:02.03 | dvs | meepish: try "apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4" and see what comes up |
| 02:02.08 | shastry | thnx all for the discussion |
| 02:02.13 | abrotman | meepish:why ? |
| 02:02.14 | garung | permission error |
| 02:02.14 | shastry | c ya |
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| 02:02.17 | shingouz | garung: This is not something to do lightly but if you *really* are sure of it, rm -rf /nameofthedirectory. DO NOT TYPO OR YOU WILL HOSE YOUR SYSTEM |
| 02:02.20 | deadcat | thos freakin' elves man, they just came out of the trees man. |
| 02:02.21 | abrotman | meepish: sarge is 2.4.27 iirc |
| 02:02.22 | Wyzard | shastry: You could probably get a slight performance increase by using a database with indexing and such, but querying filelists is done infrequently enough, and they're small enough, that it's not really worth the implementation effort |
| 02:02.29 | MobyTurbo | meepish: sarge is (currently) testing, not unstable, and the version is 2.4.27 or .28 (apt-cache search for it) |
| 02:02.34 | shingouz | garung: rmdir is what you *should* use |
| 02:02.35 | kelan | garung: are you trying to remove the dir as root. you sure you're not still a normal user? |
| 02:02.37 | shastry | Wyzard, true , very true |
| 02:02.44 | garung | shingouz, i tried it but it does't let me remove |
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| 02:02.51 | garung | yeah |
| 02:02.53 | garung | im sure |
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| 02:02.55 | meepish | dvs: i tried but it doesnt say anything at all |
| 02:02.56 | Wyzard | shingouz: That's why I type the "-rf" *after* the name of the directory I want to delete, so I don't lose everything if I press Enter too early :-) |
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| 02:03.20 | shingouz | Wyzard: Good point, I never tried it that way |
| 02:03.26 | meepish | yes i realize that the kernel im running right now is 2.4.27 but i would like to run 2.4.26 |
| 02:03.34 | abrotman | meepish: and why ? |
| 02:03.37 | shingouz | garung: How about telling us what the error is.... ;) |
| 02:03.38 | Wyzard | shingouz: Some Unixes don't support that, but the GNU tools do |
| 02:03.45 | meepish | abrotman: so i can run openmosix |
| 02:03.53 | daxal | Wyzard: I usualy start with a # until I'm certian |
| 02:03.54 | abrotman | openmosix doesn't run on 2.4.27 ? |
| 02:04.01 | shingouz | Wyzard: I see, I think I will start doing it that way too. Thanks, man |
| 02:04.05 | abrotman | !find mosix sarge |
| 02:04.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mosix' (2): (/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/ja-html/openMosix-HOWTO/openmosixview.html) in doc/doc-linux-ja-html ;; (/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/openMosix-HOWTO/{openmosixfaq.html|openmosixview.html}) in doc/doc-linux-html. |
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| 02:04.14 | shingouz | abrotman: On a patehced kernel it does |
| 02:04.17 | garung | # rm -fr lib |
| 02:04.17 | garung | rm: cannot remove `lib/xvnkb.so.0.2.9': Operation not permitted |
| 02:04.17 | garung | rm: cannot remove `lib/xvnkb.so.0.2.8a': Operation not permitted |
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| 02:04.39 | abrotman | yay .. HOWTOs abound! |
| 02:04.41 | garung | see that? |
| 02:04.44 | daxal | nuking lib is pretty dangerous :P |
| 02:04.50 | shingouz | garung: attribs? |
| 02:04.52 | meepish | hmm i will look at those, thank you kindly |
| 02:05.07 | garung | attribs? |
| 02:05.10 | garung | what is that |
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| 02:05.31 | Guerin | garung: what the fuck are you doing? |
| 02:05.35 | daxal | it might be immutable. try lsattr lib/* |
| 02:05.42 | Guerin | no |
| 02:05.43 | Wyzard | That's odd... I'm pretty sure it's allowed to delete shared libraries even while a process has them open |
| 02:05.52 | thom_ | Hello. Does anyone know how to check to see recent activity on a ftpd server? |
| 02:05.58 | daxal | you'd get text file busy if not |
| 02:06.00 | garung | i want to remove a dir, Guerin i know what i i'm doing |
| 02:06.05 | Guerin | don't help this dumb motherfucker ruin his whole box; if he's able to figure it out for himself, fine |
| 02:06.06 | garung | i just want to remove it |
| 02:06.11 | garung | but it does't let me |
| 02:06.14 | garung | :( |
| 02:06.16 | Guerin | you DO NOT want to remove /lib |
| 02:06.24 | Guerin | i guarantee this |
| 02:06.40 | garung | it's in my other partition |
| 02:06.59 | shingouz | garung: Removing libs is always a bad idea |
| 02:07.03 | MobyTurbo | garung: and that matters, how? |
| 02:07.08 | Wyzard | thom_: Read the logfile |
| 02:07.16 | starscalling | garung |
| 02:07.21 | thom_ | Wyzard Where is it? |
| 02:07.22 | starscalling | take and make another dir |
| 02:07.27 | Wyzard | thom_: /var/log, probably |
| 02:07.28 | starscalling | call it libs |
| 02:07.30 | starscalling | then kill lib |
| 02:07.33 | starscalling | and weep |
| 02:07.40 | starscalling | and put the fuckers back if they will work |
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| 02:08.51 | garung | yay |
| 02:08.53 | garung | i can remove it |
| 02:09.35 | shingouz | garung: You better get a dead chicken to wave over the box when you next boot it, removing libs usually screw it up |
| 02:09.47 | garung | nope |
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| 02:09.55 | garung | it's in another partition and i don't need it |
| 02:09.58 | shingouz | garung: Your funeral... |
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| 02:09.59 | garung | it's sid |
| 02:10.02 | garung | :D |
| 02:10.06 | garung | i'm using sarge |
| 02:10.07 | garung | now |
| 02:10.23 | garung | i know what i'm doing |
| 02:10.23 | shingouz | garung: Gets better all the time. Downgraded Sid.. nice |
| 02:10.24 | caojun | ls |
| 02:10.31 | garung | yeah |
| 02:10.41 | garung | i removed the dir from sid partition |
| 02:11.27 | thom_ | Wyzard Which file? I sorted them by date, which hasn't helped. |
| 02:11.29 | kelan | how is debians amd64 support? |
| 02:11.57 | dvs | kelan: experimental |
| 02:12.07 | Shorty`_ | how do you find out where a .deb package installs all it's files? |
| 02:12.11 | kelan | ok |
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| 02:12.20 | dvs | Shorty`: dpkg -L package-name |
| 02:12.22 | kelan | Shorty`_: dpkg -L package-name |
| 02:12.24 | shingouz | Shorty`_: dpkg -L foo |
| 02:12.30 | dvs | foo? |
| 02:12.31 | Aradorn | i really must be trying the impossible |
| 02:12.37 | kelan | use foo for anything |
| 02:12.46 | kelan | foo will always do what you want |
| 02:12.51 | Wyzard | thom_: It depends on which FTP server you're using, and how it's configured |
| 02:12.52 | Aradorn | cause there isnt a single site that explains how to get a linxus distro to boot correctly using a USB HD |
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| 02:13.03 | Wyzard | thom_: Refer to its documentation |
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| 02:13.38 | garung | i just reboot lol |
| 02:13.41 | garung | :D |
| 02:13.46 | dvs | good luck! |
| 02:13.48 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 02:13.48 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. |
| 02:13.52 | Wyzard | Aradorn: If you have the usb-storage module compiled into the kernel, or loaded by an initrd, it shouldn't be any different from booting off a SCSI disk |
| 02:13.58 | garung | hehe |
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| 02:14.19 | garung | man i'm happy with sarge |
| 02:14.24 | Aradorn | Wyzard, from the looks of it i do have it loaded in initrd but i still cant get it to boot |
| 02:15.08 | phillipsjk | is LOL more correct? |
| 02:15.42 | Wyzard | Aradorn: It fails to mount the root filesystem? |
| 02:15.42 | MobyTurbo | "heh" is correct |
| 02:16.05 | resiak | Delph: To do what? |
| 02:16.17 | abrotman | streuner: ping! |
| 02:16.21 | abrotman | or maybe it was simonrvn |
| 02:16.24 | Delph | resiak: killing porn stars |
| 02:16.27 | Aradorn | Wyzard, not really sure what happens, right before i get the kernel panic error, it loads the USB mass stoarge drivers but then it just stops |
| 02:16.45 | Aradorn | Wyzard, but yes im guessing thats part of the problem |
| 02:16.53 | Wyzard | Aradorn: Ah... I dunno about that then |
| 02:17.01 | dvs | Aradorn: Mine used to do that. Then I disabled the Fast mode of my USB ports and it booted properly |
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| 02:17.08 | Aradorn | if i could some how get it to boot like knoppix then i shouldnt have a problem |
| 02:17.23 | Aradorn | dvs, how would i do that? |
| 02:17.30 | dvs | Aradorn: in the BIOS |
| 02:17.41 | Aradorn | k ill take a look |
| 02:17.41 | Wyzard | Aradorn: I haven't set it up myself, but there's a D-I bootable image that allows installation from a USB flash drive, so I know it's possible |
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| 02:17.58 | Aradorn | yeah which is how knoppix works |
| 02:18.06 | Aradorn | it uses Hotplug to find all USB devices first |
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| 02:18.47 | Aradorn | since Grub treats my HDD as a scsi device when i pick to load the kernel it goes to shit cause then it treats it as a USB device and those modules arnt loaded until late in the bootup |
| 02:18.58 | Aradorn | think ill reboot and try that dvs.. |
| 02:19.05 | dvs | OK |
| 02:19.16 | Aradorn | wish me luck +P |
| 02:19.23 | Wyzard | Aradorn: The idea behind having usb-storage loaded by the initrd is that it shouldn't be "loaded until late in the bootup" |
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| 02:20.34 | thom_ | Um. I just tried to 'tail' a .gz and now, I'm typing in klingon. |
| 02:20.51 | phillipsjk | type "reset" |
| 02:21.31 | thom_ | That just logged me out |
| 02:21.44 | Wyzard | thom_: That happens because some of the characters that you attempted to display on your screen happened to be terminal control codes |
| 02:21.49 | doub | thom_: knowing klingon is important in our world |
| 02:22.00 | Wyzard | "reset" shouldn't log you out, though |
| 02:22.10 | doub | thom_: it just helps in case we need to leave earth early |
| 02:22.12 | f4ruk | ai galera |
| 02:22.26 | thom_ | Wyzard How do I reset that terminal? |
| 02:22.36 | doub | thom_: reset |
| 02:22.39 | f4ruk | da uma força ai....Acustic OnLine, sua rádio on line |
| 02:22.39 | Wyzard | thom_: "reset" is the correct way to do it... dunno why it logged you out |
| 02:23.09 | thom_ | hrmm |
| 02:23.11 | f4ruk | http://201.24.2.194:8000/live |
| 02:23.25 | doub | f4ruk: please don't spam here |
| 02:23.38 | thom_ | Its weird, I can tell everything is working fine. I just can't see anything. |
| 02:23.40 | f4ruk | doub escuseme |
| 02:23.40 | thom_ | heh |
| 02:24.15 | shingouz | thom_: Try another "reset" for the heck of it ;) |
| 02:24.26 | thom_ | k, there it goes |
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| 02:24.29 | Bozza | Hi, every time i reload my iptables firewall i have to reconnect my net connection or websites will start loading then suddenly stop, is there a rule or something that im missing that causes this? |
| 02:24.42 | fazer | shingouz: Hey, got a little while? |
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| 02:24.57 | shingouz | fazer: Uh, depends ;) |
| 02:25.05 | fazer | shingouz: =/ |
| 02:25.20 | fazer | *an old world not "a wold world" |
| 02:25.22 | Wyzard | Bozza: Shouldn't happen... at least, it's not a necessary side effect of reconfiguring iptables |
| 02:25.22 | shingouz | fazer: Shoot, I can sense you have something to ask |
| 02:25.28 | Wyzard | Bozza: dunno why it's happening in your case though |
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| 02:26.00 | fazer | shingouz: I was wondering if we can try to get sound working properly. It currently works but the volume is too low and it doesn't support dual channel mixing (so I can use more than one app using ALSA) |
| 02:26.04 | doub | Bozza: maybe some rate limiting rule somewhere |
| 02:26.14 | fazer | shingouz: not sure if the latter is possible though, I hope it is |
| 02:26.17 | shingouz | fazer: The TP600E? |
| 02:26.22 | fazer | shingouz: correct |
| 02:26.37 | shingouz | fazer: Hold on for a sec, I'll see what I can find here |
| 02:26.45 | spo0nman | something very strange is happening ... when i ssh to a server it just logs me out ... stating conection to <serverip> closed |
| 02:26.48 | fazer | shingouz: awesome, thanks |
| 02:27.03 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: use ssh -v to see exactly why that is happening |
| 02:27.05 | Wyzard | fazer: I have one of those, but never managed to get sound working at all... I eventually just bought a T20 on ebay |
| 02:27.22 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 02:27.29 | fazer | Wyzard: oh, I could sure use its battery =/ mine lasts only for around a few minutes. |
| 02:27.47 | Bozza | Thats what i thought, It never used to do it, I installed Debian Sarge and it still worked for several months after, just started very suddenly, things like IRC stay connected and work until i try to reconnect or join another server, then it stops halfway and does nothing |
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| 02:28.17 | fazer | Wyzard: its about getting the alsa configuration working right. |
| 02:28.26 | shingouz | fazer: The butt-fugly script I promised you, dcc? |
| 02:28.28 | Wyzard | fazer: There's a known problem with the TP600 batteries... basically, it believes it's about to run out ouf power when it actually isn't, and it gets worse over time |
| 02:28.33 | fazer | shingouz: hmm, sure, go ahead. |
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| 02:29.06 | Wyzard | fazer: If you cover a certain two pins on the battery, you can disable the voltage reporting and use the battery until it actually does run out of power... someone I know has gotten an extra hour of battery life that way |
| 02:29.49 | alainm | does anyone know or a linux app that works with RIM Blackberry? |
| 02:29.52 | Wyzard | fazer: But when you do that, you don't have a way of monitoring the battery level to know when it's about to run out, and you MUST uncover the pins before you recharge it, or you'll overcharge the battery and damage it |
| 02:30.11 | fazer | Wyzard: woah, that's defintely dangerous |
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| 02:30.43 | Wyzard | fazer: I haven't done it myself, but my aforementioned friend has |
| 02:30.55 | toresbe | Wyzard: interesting, idiotic but interesting :P |
| 02:31.01 | fazer | Wyzard: ah, that's very interesting. |
| 02:31.06 | Wyzard | fazer: But basically, it's a known defect in all TP600 batteries |
| 02:31.13 | foxiness | after useing linux you can do this : http://www.foolab.org/node/511 |
| 02:31.34 | abrotman | foxiness: i could do that in dos |
| 02:31.36 | Wyzard | toresbe: It's better than having to replace the battery every year |
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| 02:31.50 | abrotman | and it actually worked bette r:) |
| 02:31.56 | foxiness | abrotman, lol |
| 02:32.11 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro, hmm i dont get it ... do you want to see the output in #flood |
| 02:32.19 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: sure |
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| 02:33.55 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: hrm... sounds like you've got a issue with your shell or something |
| 02:34.27 | macabre | anyone know why i don't get any audio with my cx8800 tv tuner with kernel 2.4 but it works fine with 2.6's? |
| 02:34.29 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro, hmm i removed all the . files |
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| 02:34.33 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: try ssh foomachine '/bin/sh --norc --noprofile' |
| 02:34.38 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro, it still didnt help |
| 02:35.12 | cmorgan | i tried to start dancer-ircd up and it reports that it can't bind to port 6667 that its already in use. netstat doesn't show this, neither does lsof. what am i missing? |
| 02:35.31 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: well, log into the server some how, and turn on debugging there, and see why it's not letting you in |
| 02:35.35 | macabre | anyone here even use a cx8800? |
| 02:35.38 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: can you log in as another user? |
| 02:35.47 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro, no :( |
| 02:36.12 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro, could it be a permissions problem? |
| 02:36.35 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro, i have a sudo account on that box. |
| 02:36.58 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: possibly, but it's primarily an issue with logging in and the shell not executing for some reason |
| 02:37.07 | dondelelcaro | (or executing and exiting right away) |
| 02:37.13 | moonunit | I'm looking to add additional language support to X under debian, I remember an automatic configuration tool "base_config" ( or something ), but I can't remember the exact command ... |
| 02:37.21 | moonunit | if there was only a listing somewhere :) |
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| 02:37.28 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro, hmm could it be that the shell is not in the path? |
| 02:37.41 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: it shouldn't matter if you give an absolute path to the shell |
| 02:37.46 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro, I removed all the files in ~/ by doing a ssh "rm" |
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| 02:37.54 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: wait, rm worked? |
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| 02:38.29 | dondelelcaro | spo0nman: if that worked, then try running a different shell, like /bin/dash or /bin/ksh or something |
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| 02:38.49 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro, hmm maybe it didnt cuz a ls -lah does not print anything |
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| 02:40.22 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro, nope it exits as soon as it log's in. cant even do a ls |
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| 02:41.16 | resiak | !cuz |
| 02:41.17 | dpkg | cuz is probably you mean because? |
| 02:41.32 | resiak | !cuz is also an affectionate name for your cousin. |
| 02:41.32 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 02:41.35 | dvs | or cousin |
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| 02:42.02 | resiak | !cuz =~ s/cousin/cousin (or cousin, according to dvs)/ |
| 02:42.03 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
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| 02:42.32 | samuel | sup all |
| 02:42.39 | samuel | what do i need to make a deb? |
| 02:42.53 | dvs | doh! |
| 02:43.00 | starscalling | might have to bbl >:) |
| 02:43.23 | spo0nman | dondelelcaro, hmm lrt me ask someone with an account on the box to rm the .bashrc |
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| 02:44.29 | ksan | hey guys how do i get someting auto loaded with gnome like when i |
| 02:44.29 | ksan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:45.04 | Markaci | Do you have a ~/.Xsession file? |
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| 02:45.43 | EmeraldCat | hello. does anyone here know if *nix can work with ISA slot internal modems? |
| 02:46.10 | phillipsjk | Yes. |
| 02:46.10 | infinity1 | EmeraldCat: of course it can |
| 02:46.10 | punsad | if I run fluxbox and then install xscreensaver - is there something I need to do (some file to edit) to make sure it comes on ? |
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| 02:46.21 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:46.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 02:46.25 | punsad | thought about adding it to my .xinitrc |
| 02:46.27 | Markaci | Can someone tell me how my sarge installation will handle the release of 3.1? |
| 02:46.46 | phillipsjk | EmeraldCat: you may have problems if it is a "WinModem" |
| 02:46.46 | abrotman | Markaci: are you tracking sarge or testing ? |
| 02:46.55 | punsad | another questoin: .xinitrc or .xsession - which is better to use? |
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| 02:47.05 | abrotman | read the man pages for each |
| 02:47.12 | infinity1 | phillipsjk: did they make ISA winmodems? i don't even remember. |
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| 02:48.08 | phillipsjk | EmeraldCat : you may also have manually configure the ISA plug'n'pray |
| 02:48.30 | EmeraldCat | hmmm...do I need to know IRQ and port setting/address to configure the modem? |
| 02:48.40 | phillipsjk | infinity1 : I guess you may need PCI to suck all the CPU time :) |
| 02:48.42 | Markaci | abrotman, I'm not sure what you're asking. I want to stay with testing. I don't want to stick with "sarge". |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | Markaci: so make sure your sources point at testing . not sarge |
| 02:49.13 | Markaci | k |
| 02:49.21 | abrotman | Markaci: and if you don't understand .. look at the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:49.23 | infinity1 | EmeraldCat: yea. most likely. there should be jumpers on the thing. |
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| 02:50.33 | phillipsjk | EmeraldCat : yes. check serial HOWTO |
| 02:50.51 | oneo | i have a script that i want to start when linux starts and i created a file in /etc/init.d that contained "cd script_dir \n ./script" and linked it to /etc/rc2.d/S90script ... can anyone help me out with why its not running? |
| 02:50.56 | EmeraldCat | infinity1: the modem has jumper setting for Pnp and non-Pnp, but I don't see any jumpers on the modem itself. |
| 02:51.12 | dondelelcaro | oneo: because it doesn't have a shebang line? |
| 02:51.13 | EmeraldCat | phillipsjk: Cam you point me to the HOWTO? |
| 02:51.22 | dvs | oneo: Does it contain "#!/bin/sh" ? |
| 02:51.33 | infinity1 | EmeraldCat: you're telling me it has jumpers and then saying it doesn't? i don't get it. |
| 02:51.36 | dondelelcaro | oneo: furthermore, the CWD almost certainly isn't the same directory that script_dir is in. |
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| 02:52.00 | EmeraldCat | infinity1: It talks about jumpers, but I don't seen any. |
| 02:52.01 | infinity1 | EmeraldCat: in ISA days. i always went the 'non-pnp' route. |
| 02:52.10 | deadcat | oneo: use full path |
| 02:52.17 | infinity1 | EmeraldCat: you mean the manual? u sure you got the right manual? |
| 02:52.33 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:52.33 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:52.47 | EmeraldCat | Manual? What manual? The one I lost 7 years ago? |
| 02:53.10 | phillipsjk | EmeraldCat /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Serial-HOWTO.gz Or try google |
| 02:53.11 | infinity1 | EmeraldCat: "It talks about jumpers" what is it? |
| 02:53.12 | oneo | dondelelcaro - "script_dir" is an absolute path to the directory where the script is in |
| 02:53.47 | oneo | but the #!/bin/sh line really makes that big of a difference? i have other startup scripts that dont have that and work fine |
| 02:54.17 | abrotman | oneo: why not just run the script instead of changing to the directory ? |
| 02:54.17 | dvs | oneo: Yes, it does |
| 02:54.17 | abrotman | oneo: yes .. |
| 02:54.17 | garung | mv: cannot stat `t-am.gmo': No such file or directory |
| 02:54.17 | garung | do you know what package i need people? |
| 02:54.17 | oneo | k im rebooting after adding that line now |
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| 02:54.21 | oneo | does it make a difference that thsi script MUST be run as root? |
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| 02:55.01 | EmeraldCat | infinity1: PnP: JP1 open, JP2 2-3, JP4 close; Non-Pnp: JP1 close, JP2 2-3, JP4 open (Where are the jumpers though??) |
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| 02:55.36 | oneo | nope, same thing happens - the script is supposed to bring up my network interface card and its not up |
| 02:55.54 | jkll | does debian has an enterprise version as in RH? |
| 02:55.57 | dvs | oneo: Is the file execute attribute on? |
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| 02:56.14 | dvs | !pal jkll |
| 02:56.17 | infinity1 | EmeraldCat: you're reading off the modem? if you don't seem them, they either broke off, never existed, or you're hallucinating. |
| 02:56.17 | oneo | dvs - yes, i can run it by going /etc/init.d/script |
| 02:56.18 | EmeraldCat | I have a PCtel PCT288-IA. |
| 02:56.25 | infinity1 | EmeraldCat: i would guess the later :) |
| 02:56.35 | phillipsjk | Jumpers would be little plastic tabs that go over a pair of pins |
| 02:56.40 | jkll | why are you laughing? |
| 02:56.49 | EmeraldCat | infinity1: What do the jumpers look like? |
| 02:57.04 | EmeraldCat | oh, I see. |
| 02:57.19 | EmeraldCat | (What the jumpers are, but I still don't see them!) |
| 02:57.20 | infinity1 | EmeraldCat: shrooms wore off? |
| 02:57.21 | jkll | put it another way, is debian suitable for enterprise? |
| 02:57.40 | jkll | small business, say. |
| 02:58.03 | infinity1 | jkll: it works for whatever it fits. small or large. |
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| 02:58.54 | chealer | jkll: RH is a company |
| 02:59.07 | EmeraldCat | Are ISA modems "real" modems? |
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| 02:59.32 | jkll | what would be a config (packages set) required to use it for a sole-proprietor business? |
| 02:59.39 | oneo | update on the startup script thing: i piped the output to a log file and in the log file it says "ifconfig not found" |
| 02:59.59 | Apage43 | jkll: depends what you do with it. |
| 03:00.02 | phillipsjk | The ISA bus is more than fast enough. |
| 03:00.03 | abrotman | jkll: i use it at my company .. |
| 03:00.04 | EmeraldCat | HAHA, I finally see them!! I see the jumpers!! (Man that pot was strong!) |
| 03:00.05 | oneo | but i defiantely have ifconfig installed which leads me to believe taht its not running as root for some reason |
| 03:00.05 | infinity1 | EmeraldCat: i don't believe they made fake isa modems. i don't remember though. |
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| 03:00.23 | jkll | abrotman, how big is ur company? |
| 03:00.24 | abrotman | jkll: and you need to define "enterprise" |
| 03:00.35 | abrotman | jkll: big enough to know better than to use "ur" |
| 03:00.48 | Apage43 | if you own a company, and you use "ur", uh, well |
| 03:00.52 | Apage43 | jeez. |
| 03:01.14 | Guerin | jkll: debian is suitable for any task its admin is capable of administering |
| 03:01.15 | abrotman | jkll: what do you want to do with debian ? |
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| 03:01.20 | daxal | is there anyway to have dh-make-perl not use fakeroot? why is it needed? |
| 03:01.21 | jkll | abrotman, don't be picky, this is a small issue, to save typing. |
| 03:01.57 | Apage43 | jkll: It's negligible, and easier to read if you type properly. |
| 03:02.02 | abrotman | jkll: you still haven't answered any questions |
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| 03:02.14 | jkll | i want to use it to run a business providing services to other businesses to use free software. |
| 03:02.16 | Guerin | daxal: making debian packagages requires some files to be created in the package which are owned by root. To do this, you either need real root, or fakeroot. |
| 03:02.21 | abrotman | !vague |
| 03:02.22 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 03:02.30 | Apage43 | Just because it's a quick moving medium doesn't mean throw away all rules of spelling and punctuation. |
| 03:02.45 | Guerin | guys, he HAS cleaned up his typing now... |
| 03:02.50 | phillipsjk | infinity1 : Rockwell modems were "half fake" basic functionality, with extra (compression) handed to the CPU. |
| 03:02.52 | Apage43 | Hell, I even type properly on cell phones. |
| 03:02.58 | daxal | I guess I'll need to mod this then. :) |
| 03:03.05 | Guerin | even put a fullstop at the end of a sentence, which is more than I usually do. |
| 03:03.07 | Apage43 | Right now I'm on a PDA. |
| 03:03.09 | Guerin | daxal: why? |
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| 03:03.22 | jkll | is this a viable business idea? esp if it is to be based on debian? |
| 03:03.40 | Apage43 | jkll: guhh, you don't have a plan yet? |
| 03:03.47 | shingouz | jkll: Office software unless you are going to start doing some real tech work |
| 03:03.47 | daxal | I'm trying to debianize freeside modules. Actually, I'll just modify the test script (it's failing because root != freeside) |
| 03:03.48 | infinity1 | phillipsjk: i think you're confisuing something . rockwell made modem chips more than anything. they go back before the days of cpu modems. |
| 03:03.57 | Guerin | jkll: only you can know that. In my experience, any business concept can be viable if it's implemented by the right people. |
| 03:04.12 | Guerin | daxal: why not just use fakeroot? |
| 03:04.22 | jkll | Guerin, right tools, too. |
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| 03:04.38 | Guerin | jkll: the right people will know enought about the available toools to choose the right ones. |
| 03:04.46 | ledestin | jkll: why not ask your admin? |
| 03:05.07 | Apage43 | I need to figure out how to compile dsniff on ARM |
| 03:05.08 | phillipsjk | infinity1 maybe. remember having a "WinRPI modem enhancer" going. Didn't do much. |
| 03:05.09 | Guerin | debian IS a robust free software platfiorm; and the most-free of the major gnu/linux OSen. |
| 03:05.23 | jkll | Guerin, are you such a person? |
| 03:05.25 | Guerin | Apage43: is it debianised? |
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| 03:05.38 | Guerin | jkll: not really. I'm too rash and disorganised for business. |
| 03:05.42 | andpoi | Which BT do you guys use? |
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| 03:05.48 | Guerin | I'm a concept kinda guy (TM) |
| 03:05.55 | Apage43 | Guerin: well, there's a deb pkg for dsniff.. |
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| 03:05.59 | Guerin | andpoi: the big one |
| 03:06.01 | andpoi | I can't find BitTorrent for Linux Textual. |
| 03:06.06 | Apage43 | But I think it's outdated |
| 03:06.06 | jkll | so Guerin is out, who's next to talk business? |
| 03:06.08 | Guerin | andpoi: bittornado |
| 03:06.11 | andpoi | thx |
| 03:06.14 | abrotman | jkll: you're being entirely too vague about your goals |
| 03:06.16 | Apage43 | btdownloadcurses.py |
| 03:06.23 | andpoi | It's textual Guerin? |
| 03:06.25 | daxal | Guerin: because the freeside fs_selfservice calls modules that expect you to be running as 'freeside' uid, not root. |
| 03:06.26 | Apage43 | or headless if that's your thing |
| 03:06.29 | Guerin | jkll: this is way offtopic in #debian |
| 03:06.32 | dondelelcaro | andpoi: yes. |
| 03:06.34 | Guerin | andpoi: it is indeed. |
| 03:06.35 | andpoi | thx |
| 03:06.38 | daxal | well the freeside perl-modules anyway |
| 03:06.46 | abrotman | jkll: what do you need debian to do for you ? |
| 03:07.04 | Delph | jkll: debian is a general-purpose operating system |
| 03:07.09 | Guerin | daxal: that should make no major difference if the makefile is set up right; but granted, I don't know that software at all. |
| 03:07.20 | Guerin | daxal: cpan? |
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| 03:07.52 | jkll | abrotman, it is a very clear goal. i want to help small businesses to use free software to run them. i would like to consider debian. so this is not out of topic. it is beneficial to debian, and very much so, if it works. |
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| 03:08.13 | EmeraldCat | infinity1: so I disable Pnp, but how do I set up IRQ and the like? How do I even figure out the IRQ of the modem? |
| 03:08.28 | abrotman | jkll: you want to aid small companies running debian .. and want to know if debian is usable by small companies for thier desktops/servers ? |
| 03:08.30 | EmeraldCat | What does the IRQ even mean?? |
| 03:08.33 | Guerin | daxal: you CAN run cpan as root - i have found some cpan packages which would only build as root. |
| 03:08.34 | Delph | jkll: small buisnesses can already use debian. What do you want to offer? |
| 03:08.34 | andpoi | Guerin, How do I compile? THere's no config file? |
| 03:08.38 | abrotman | !irq |
| 03:08.38 | dpkg | [irq] (Interrupt request) This is a gateway for devices to request time from the processor to do their jobs. For instance, every time you hit a key on your keyboard an interrupt is generated on the keyboard IRQ. This is mainly only a concern for PC users., or an openprojects.net server/services admin, or not an openprojects.net server/services admin anymore because lilo freaked out |
| 03:08.43 | shingouz | jkll: You need to provide more information if you want us to answer something. Having something to actually answer helps too |
| 03:08.43 | Guerin | EmeraldCat: interrupt request |
| 03:08.51 | Delph | fs, i'm a small buisness, and I use debian =:) |
| 03:09.05 | Delph | 0x staff, tiny profit margin, probably qualifies. |
| 03:09.10 | jkll | shingouz, what more info? |
| 03:09.14 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: irq =~ s/#, or an openprojects.net server/services admin, or not an openprojects.net server/services admin anymore because lilo freaked out## |
| 03:09.15 | abrotman | jkll: what do you want debian to do for the small companies ? .. servers ? .. desktops ? .. fringe services ? |
| 03:09.20 | Dull4o4 | Hey, when Sarge is stable, is it just to change the sources.list and replace "testing" with "stable"... no? |
| 03:09.36 | dondelelcaro | Dull4o4: you should change it today, and replace testing with sarge. |
| 03:09.37 | abrotman | Dull4o4: change them to "sarge" now |
| 03:09.39 | shingouz | jkll: How do you expect us to know what you need to run your business if you do not tell us what you want to accomplish |
| 03:09.50 | Dull4o4 | abrotman, ah ok thanks :) |
| 03:09.51 | andpoi | okay I have a question, how do you install a debian package not from the apt-get thing? |
| 03:09.57 | Delph | jkll: more thought as to what you're going to target is required. |
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| 03:10.00 | binarydigit_ | dpkg -i |
| 03:10.06 | andpoi | thnaks. |
| 03:10.12 | Dull4o4 | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 03:10.15 | jkll | abrotman, it ranges from desktop to servers to network of sucj |
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| 03:10.42 | Guerin | hrm, is there a way to bind a keystroke combination to an arbitrary command in X? independent of windowmanager... |
| 03:10.46 | abrotman | jkll: i use it at my office for mostly servers .. a little desktop . works perfectly fine . and i'd say better suited than most other distros IMO |
| 03:11.14 | Guerin | andpoi: just use the debian package |
| 03:11.22 | Guerin | andpoi: apt-get install packagename |
| 03:11.23 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: not to my knowledge |
| 03:11.23 | shingouz | jkll: Office software is a given, most of the technical tools to admin systems are available too |
| 03:11.31 | EmeraldCat | Is there a way to manually figure out the speed of a modem when it is not listed on the modem (or google searches don't bring up anything)? |
| 03:11.37 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: although, with a decent WM, it's trivial |
| 03:11.44 | dondelelcaro | EmeraldCat: plug the modem in, and query it |
| 03:11.44 | jkll | abrotman, what are the business-oriented packages you use w debian? |
| 03:11.46 | abrotman | !tell jkll about why debian |
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| 03:11.55 | abrotman | jkll: name one .. i'll tell you if i use it .. or if you're even close |
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| 03:12.17 | dondelelcaro | EmeraldCat: although, most modems have gobs of advertising slathered all over them to tell you exactly what speed they are |
| 03:12.24 | phillipsjk | EmeraldCat : you probably have a 28.8 modem (chip number gives it away) |
| 03:12.44 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: hrm. I have a script which runs xscreensaver and lockvc, but I want to bind it all to a keystroke like ctrl+alt+del in X |
| 03:12.45 | jkll | abrotman, would be more efficient for you to tell me what you are currently using, no guessing work required. |
| 03:13.02 | abrotman | jkll: not really .. i use it for lots of stuff .. it would take me a while to list them all :) |
| 03:13.04 | Guerin | or maybe 'pause' |
| 03:13.15 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, I'd just add a line in my ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml |
| 03:13.19 | resiak | Guerin: xbindkeys! |
| 03:13.22 | Guerin | i could do it per-wm, I gues. I only use about three of them. |
| 03:13.41 | andpoi | Guerin, I can't install it |
| 03:13.46 | jkll | abrotman, well, start with one first. |
| 03:13.59 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: heh. I just use one. |
| 03:14.00 | Guerin | andpoi: why not? |
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| 03:14.12 | andpoi | are you in #flood Guerin? |
| 03:14.16 | phillipsjk | jkll: no, you cannot easily run MS Office ;) |
| 03:14.16 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah, I've been trying a few. |
| 03:14.22 | Guerin | andpoi: no. /msg dpkg paster |
| 03:14.24 | abrotman | jkll: huh? |
| 03:14.32 | Guerin | but I keep coming back to openbox |
| 03:14.41 | abrotman | jkll: i'm not going to list all the crap i do in my office .. if you want to know if debian is capable of something .. ask |
| 03:14.51 | jkll | phillipsjk, don't tell me what i cannot run, tell me what i can run. |
| 03:15.05 | Guerin | jkll: packages.debian.org |
| 03:15.29 | jkll | Guerin, there's tons of them there! |
| 03:15.36 | andpoi | Guerin? |
| 03:15.37 | andpoi | http://channels.debian.net/paste/151 |
| 03:15.46 | phillipsjk | ...exactly. |
| 03:15.50 | jkll | abrotman, you are a bullshitter. |
| 03:15.59 | Guerin | jkll: no shit. that's all the software in debian; potentially the largest OS ever made. |
| 03:16.24 | andpoi | Guerin, see that link? |
| 03:16.24 | abrotman | jkll: you're asking me to list all the god damn fucking services i've implemented in my office in almost 4 years .. fuck off |
| 03:16.29 | dondelelcaro | jkll: if you're looking for a specific thing, we may be able to help you, but general questions just waste everyone's time. |
| 03:16.37 | jkll | Guerin, are you going to download all of them for whatever you think of doing? |
| 03:16.40 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: just use /ignore |
| 03:16.41 | abrotman | jkll: you can't ask a single one .. not my problem .. you're being so damned vague .. |
| 03:16.58 | Guerin | jkll: hell no. you download them on an as-needed basis. |
| 03:17.04 | andpoi | Guerin: The command "bittornado" won't work. |
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| 03:17.16 | jkll | abrotman, fuck you, front and back. |
| 03:17.17 | dondelelcaro | andpoi: you don't have bittornado installed then... |
| 03:17.20 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 03:17.20 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@bb219-74-21-154.singnet.com.sg] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:17.20 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:17.22 | abrotman | mentoroftoast: are you having a problem staying connected |
| 03:17.23 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:17.25 | resiak | !install it |
| 03:17.28 | Guerin | andpoi: dpkg -L bittornado |grep /bin |
| 03:17.28 | dondelelcaro | jkll: let me know when you've called down. |
| 03:17.35 | resiak | !install it is <reply> see installit |
| 03:17.35 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, resiak |
| 03:17.38 | abrotman | calmed |
| 03:17.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:17.49 | Guerin | no, the bittornado executables are all different names |
| 03:17.59 | abrotman | !install stuff |
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| 03:18.09 | andpoi | so how do I launch bittornado? |
| 03:18.10 | resiak | dpkg: install it is <reply> see installit |
| 03:18.10 | dpkg | resiak: what are you talking about? |
| 03:18.12 | resiak | !installit |
| 03:18.12 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 03:18.13 | resiak | andpoi: ^^ |
| 03:18.29 | gteppel | I'm running Debian/sid (kernel: 2.6.10-1-k7) and I'm running iptables. I have created a firewall script that I run as root after the system has started (you can view it here: http://pastebin.com/285917). I have problem trying to get it to automatically load on system startup, I assumed 'iptables save active' would start my script upon start if iptables was in /etc/init.d/ however it seems that the NAT I set up isn't even working? I'm guess |
| 03:18.34 | gravity | dondelelcaro: :-) |
| 03:18.50 | andpoi | I've got it installed |
| 03:18.53 | andpoi | wondering how to launch it |
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| 03:19.01 | dondelelcaro | andpoi: ok, then run btlaunchmanycureses |
| 03:19.01 | abrotman | gteppel: there's a whole readme in the /usr/share/doc/iptables iirc |
| 03:19.02 | dondelelcaro | andpoi: ok, then run btlaunchmanycurses |
| 03:19.03 | resiak | andpoi: dpkg -L bittornado |
| 03:19.22 | IDC | Good morning,room |
| 03:19.25 | dondelelcaro | !room |
| 03:19.26 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 03:19.42 | abrotman | where did 'room' ever come from |
| 03:19.48 | gravity | Do people still use AOL chatrooms? |
| 03:19.49 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: aohell |
| 03:19.49 | gravity | abrotman: AOL |
| 03:19.50 | Phated | "chatroom" |
| 03:19.59 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:20.00 | Guerin | metaphor |
| 03:20.05 | abrotman | guess that explains why i never heard it :) |
| 03:20.07 | Dull4o4 | andpoi, i use Qtorrent instead :P |
| 03:20.10 | IDC | Please suggest me a nice email 'client' for debian linux :) my email server works fine |
| 03:20.16 | andpoi | ugh |
| 03:20.20 | andpoi | finalyl someone tells me |
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| 03:20.22 | dondelelcaro | IDC: mutt |
| 03:20.24 | gravity | IDC: mutt for console is the best. Thunderbird is nice too. |
| 03:20.25 | andpoi | Is it on debian packageS? |
| 03:20.30 | dondelelcaro | andpoi: yes, it is. |
| 03:20.39 | andpoi | yay |
| 03:20.42 | IDC | oh, let me google for mutt,thanks |
| 03:20.49 | resiak | IDC: apt-get install mutt |
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| 03:21.01 | binarydigit_ | evolution is nice also |
| 03:21.03 | binarydigit_ | all about taste |
| 03:21.05 | IDC | resiak, ok |
| 03:21.07 | andpoi | dondelelcaro, I'm seeing nothing. |
| 03:21.08 | Dull4o4 | andpoi, apt-cache search bittorrent ... ;) |
| 03:21.09 | garung | anyone knows how can i access another partition without root permission? |
| 03:21.18 | gravity | What's wrong with plain ol' bittorrent anyway? |
| 03:21.20 | dondelelcaro | andpoi: uh, do you have any torrents in that directory? have you read the manpage yet? |
| 03:21.22 | andpoi | nothing shows up. |
| 03:21.23 | garung | someone gave me a site to do that last time but i forgot the name |
| 03:21.24 | gravity | All this hype over azeurus and whatnot |
| 03:21.43 | Dull4o4 | gravity, it's boring ;) qtorrent is fine though |
| 03:21.46 | andpoi | I can't use azureus |
| 03:21.47 | dondelelcaro | garung: what type of partition? |
| 03:21.52 | andpoi | I'm using non-graphical linux. |
| 03:21.56 | garung | fat32 |
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| 03:22.08 | oneo | i have a script that i want to start when linux starts and i created a file in /etc/init.d that contained "cd /path_to_script_dir \n ./script" and linked it to /etc/rc2.d/S90script ... can anyone help me out with why its not running? also, im piping the output to a log file and the log file states "ifconfig: file not found" ... the script is supposed to be brining up my network interface |
| 03:22.18 | garung | i just use it to store movies |
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| 03:22.28 | abrotman | oneo: `which ifconfig` |
| 03:22.32 | abrotman | literally |
| 03:22.34 | resiak | !tell garung -about vfatrw |
| 03:22.40 | GoKu | http://www.linuxers.cl/forum_viewtopic.php?6.445 |
| 03:22.49 | gteppel | what is the proper-debian way to start an iptables script?? |
| 03:23.00 | oneo | abrot man - i do have ifconfig installed...i think the problem is that its not running the script as root |
| 03:23.02 | Dull4o4 | andpoi, oh.. qtorrent is graphical... then use btdownloadcurses ... i think it's called |
| 03:23.05 | EmeraldCat | infinity1: Is it true that I can assign an IRQ to the modem through the BIOS? |
| 03:23.13 | abrotman | oneo: one word :) |
| 03:23.18 | garung | thanks resiak |
| 03:23.27 | abrotman | oneo: the PATH for the script may not include ifconfig .. |
| 03:23.33 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: rwvfat is <reply> see vfatrw |
| 03:23.33 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 03:23.43 | abrotman | oneo: you should use the full path to ifconfig |
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| 03:24.29 | phillipsjk | EmeraldCat you can RESERVE, not set. |
| 03:24.49 | Dull4o4 | . . Is the non-US gone now, and everything is in non-free ? |
| 03:25.00 | defkewl | what's wrong about this war between debian and gentoo user? |
| 03:25.06 | jlmb | when sarge becomes stable, we would have to change our sources to stable if we want to keep tracking it right? |
| 03:25.21 | EmeraldCat | phillipsjk: Can the same thing be done for PCI NICs? |
| 03:25.30 | defkewl | I think both distro has its own plus and minus |
| 03:25.34 | abrotman | jlmb: change to sarge now |
| 03:25.36 | resiak | jlmb: Just change them to "sarge" now. |
| 03:25.57 | jlmb | resiak, abrotman: good thinking :) |
| 03:26.05 | phillipsjk | EmeraldCat some BIOS's may be able to configure PCI cards :) |
| 03:26.06 | defkewl | anybody uses enlightenment here? |
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| 03:26.27 | shaggy_ | When my machine boots it gives me "Error 22" just after "grub loading, please wait" |
| 03:26.28 | shaggy_ | and when I boot with a rescue disk, mount the file system, chroot and run grub-install, it says "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." |
| 03:26.36 | shaggy_ | where can I get a good copy of that file? |
| 03:26.37 | resiak | !error 22 |
| 03:26.40 | resiak | !error22 |
| 03:26.42 | resiak | :( |
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| 03:26.52 | shaggy_ | bummer, have you heard of it? |
| 03:26.53 | andpoi | I hate using bittorrent. |
| 03:27.06 | EmeraldCat | I need to know all of this information because I am trying to configure a Linux floppy firewall "Coyote," and this is my first time doing anything like this! Is there a general HOWTO for floppy firewall setup? |
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| 03:28.02 | mrplum | why do all the java packages depend on x11! |
| 03:28.02 | mrplum | ugh |
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| 03:28.38 | abrotman | mentorof1oast: your internet is bad |
| 03:28.41 | resiak | mrplum: FILE A BUG |
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| 03:29.54 | phillipsjk | EmeraldCat : My previous statment about ISA may have been slightly incorrect. PNP makes it POSSIBLE. |
| 03:30.09 | phillipsjk | but no likely |
| 03:30.41 | andpoi | How do you detach a screen? |
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| 03:31.04 | Phated | C-a C-d. |
| 03:31.09 | andpoi | thx |
| 03:31.12 | andpoi | i forgot |
| 03:31.22 | Dull4o4 | wich is it? did some google on debian.org, and found info about the non-US section to be "reactivated" ... anyone know? |
| 03:31.44 | andpoi | I do ctrl+a and it shows my download again |
| 03:31.49 | phillipsjk | mrplum: my guess would be AWT |
| 03:31.52 | andpoi | can you use the shift key or something? |
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| 03:33.18 | andpoi | ? |
| 03:33.23 | andpoi | It's not ctrl+a ctrl+d |
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| 03:33.30 | Phated | C-a C-a. |
| 03:33.49 | stew | andpoi: ctrl-a ? will take you to the help screen |
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| 03:33.53 | MobyTurbo | andpoi: are you in GNU screen or not? |
| 03:33.54 | andpoi | ? |
| 03:33.56 | andpoi | Listen |
| 03:33.59 | andpoi | I'm on a shell |
| 03:34.03 | andpoi | in my living room |
| 03:34.04 | andpoi | ok |
| 03:34.07 | Phated | What the heck are you trying to do? |
| 03:34.08 | chealer | what means "A subsystem login", as seen in man su? |
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| 03:34.10 | andpoi | I'm downloading something from the net |
| 03:34.19 | Delph | andpoi: did you use screen? |
| 03:34.20 | andpoi | I'm using wget |
| 03:34.24 | andpoi | yes. |
| 03:34.27 | andpoi | screen -dar |
| 03:34.31 | andpoi | I'm trying to detachj |
| 03:34.37 | Delph | then ^A ? and read the help |
| 03:34.48 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: i guess you probably know how to make openbox remember the placement and size of windows, right? |
| 03:34.52 | andpoi | shift A? |
| 03:34.55 | Delph | if you have changed the bindings then i shall laugh at you for not remembering them |
| 03:34.56 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: actually, I've never bothered |
| 03:34.58 | Delph | *control* |
| 03:35.09 | andpoi | ugh |
| 03:35.13 | Delph | C-A if you're one of those emacs people |
| 03:35.25 | andpoi | I guess you can't detach while "wget" |
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| 03:35.32 | dondelelcaro | well, that'd be C-a if you're an emacs person, since C-A is control+shift+a |
| 03:35.35 | Delph | andpoi: highly unlikely. |
| 03:35.44 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: i have next-desktop set to mousewheel - so I need a 1px band of empty space at the edge of my monitor |
| 03:35.46 | andpoi | I'm downloading a huge-normus file. |
| 03:35.49 | Delph | dondelelcaro: control-shift-a also works. |
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| 03:35.52 | Guerin | i should just use some more sane key |
| 03:35.58 | MobyTurbo | andpoi: I've detached running wget before |
| 03:35.58 | Delph | andpoi: you are just not doing it right =:) |
| 03:36.06 | andpoi | HOw do you do it? |
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| 03:36.12 | andpoi | Please someone tell me |
| 03:36.16 | dondelelcaro | Delph: possibly, but it's "unecessary modifier usage. 10 yard penalty" |
| 03:36.20 | Delph | screen detaching/attaching is orthogonal to what you're running. |
| 03:36.21 | MobyTurbo | andpoi: control-a control-d |
| 03:36.24 | oneo | abrotman - youre the man! thanks a lot, your advice was dead on, it works! |
| 03:36.28 | andpoi | That doesn't work. |
| 03:36.35 | andpoi | It makes another wget bar show up |
| 03:36.37 | Delph | andpoi: you're not doig it right then. |
| 03:36.38 | MobyTurbo | !doesn't work |
| 03:36.38 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 03:36.48 | andpoi | I seem to be doing it right. |
| 03:36.52 | MobyTurbo | andpoi: then maybe you're not in screen |
| 03:36.53 | Phated | Hold down Control, hit A, followed by D. |
| 03:37.11 | andpoi | I did. |
| 03:37.13 | Delph | little finger on control. hold it down. press a with 4th finger. stop holding control. press d. |
| 03:37.21 | andpoi | if I close PuTTy will my download stop? |
| 03:37.29 | punsad | Phated: shouldn't you realease Control befor hitting D? |
| 03:37.37 | punsad | andpoi: yes |
| 03:37.38 | Delph | either works |
| 03:37.40 | Phated | punsad: It works for me either way. |
| 03:37.47 | Delph | same as A vs a |
| 03:37.50 | andpoi | I can't detach while wget |
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| 03:37.58 | Delph | andpoi: you're probably not running screen then. |
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| 03:38.05 | andpoi | Is screen another program? |
| 03:38.08 | punsad | I use screen for bittorrent all the time |
| 03:38.08 | Delph | yes |
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| 03:38.12 | andpoi | ugh |
| 03:38.18 | andpoi | its on apt-cache search? |
| 03:38.22 | Delph | andpoi: try and see? |
| 03:38.31 | MobyTurbo | andpoi: apt-get install screen |
| 03:38.35 | Delph | note this does not help your current situation. |
| 03:38.41 | Phated | Sorry, but I can detach using C-a C-d with wget. |
| 03:38.50 | punsad | andpoi: are you issuing the 'screen' command first before doing anything? |
| 03:38.57 | Delph | everyone stop. |
| 03:39.01 | MobyTurbo | Phated: that's because you're running screen - he isn't. |
| 03:39.04 | Delph | andpoi does not have screen installed. |
| 03:39.05 | Phated | Oh, lovely. |
| 03:39.08 | andpoi | I do have it |
| 03:39.10 | andpoi | it said I did |
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| 03:39.19 | andpoi | I installed EVERYTHING possible with my debian install |
| 03:39.21 | andpoi | from the net. |
| 03:39.21 | Phated | But were you -running- it? |
| 03:39.23 | Delph | andpoi: did you type 'screen'? |
| 03:39.28 | gteppel | What is /etc/rcS.d/ purpose? |
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| 03:39.40 | infinity1 | gteppel: single user scripts |
| 03:39.48 | bucky | apt-cache search screen == means it's installed ;) |
| 03:39.49 | andpoi | I have to type screen to start it? |
| 03:39.54 | Phated | ... Duh. |
| 03:40.00 | gteppel | infinity1: like if I had a script I just want to run at startup? |
| 03:40.01 | andpoi | I = noob |
| 03:40.03 | Delph | andpoi: yes. |
| 03:40.05 | punsad | andpoi: type 'ps ax | grep screen' to make sure some instance of screen is running |
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| 03:40.13 | Delph | andpoi: kill your wget; start screen |
| 03:40.17 | Delph | then wget -c to resume your download |
| 03:40.19 | infinity1 | gteppel: rc2.d would probably be the place for that |
| 03:40.23 | gteppel | ok |
| 03:40.26 | gteppel | thank you |
| 03:40.34 | Delph | if you didn't download from a httpd that supports resuming then *point and laugh* |
| 03:40.46 | bucky | gteppel zless /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz |
| 03:40.56 | andpoi | I have screen running |
| 03:40.56 | Delph | and you'll have to wait till it finishes. |
| 03:40.57 | gteppel | bucky: ok |
| 03:41.06 | Delph | andpoi: is wget running inside screen? |
| 03:41.23 | andpoi | I don't know how to make it run inside scrren |
| 03:41.26 | Delph | andpoi: you run screen, then you run wget |
| 03:41.43 | andpoi | UGH! |
| 03:41.43 | Delph | aka |
| 03:41.43 | Delph | *before* you started, you ran screen |
| 03:41.52 | Delph | this you did not do; therefore you are stuck. |
| 03:41.53 | andpoi | I mounted my /home/ in the wrong spot!!! |
| 03:41.54 | andpoi | ARGH! |
| 03:42.03 | Delph | oh gods |
| 03:42.05 | andpoi | Is there a way to re-mount it? |
| 03:42.23 | andpoi | without re-isntalling everything? |
| 03:42.23 | infinity1 | rofl |
| 03:42.32 | Phated | Yes, unmount it and then mount it again. It's not hard. |
| 03:42.36 | andpoi | How so? |
| 03:42.45 | andpoi | What are the cmds? |
| 03:43.02 | shingouz | andpoi: man mount |
| 03:43.04 | andpoi | please man |
| 03:43.09 | infinity1 | andpoi: i think you've hit the question limit. time to ask google. |
| 03:43.12 | phillipsjk | "umount" "mount" "man" |
| 03:43.36 | resiak | andpoi: man is a command. Type "man mount" at the shell. |
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| 03:44.03 | andpoi | i know how to do that much |
| 03:44.05 | bucky | man mount.. mount man.. what's the difference |
| 03:44.12 | andpoi | I can't use that program I did last time? |
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| 03:44.16 | andpoi | I forgot what its called |
| 03:44.20 | andpoi | they one that came with debian. |
| 03:44.27 | phillipsjk | info? |
| 03:44.31 | andpoi | no. |
| 03:44.34 | andpoi | the partition prog. |
| 03:44.38 | punsad | andpoi: you are asking too many questions I'm afraid... a lot of the fun of linux is figuring out how to do it yourself |
| 03:44.39 | infinity1 | bucky: whats the diff... mount /dev/your_mom /dad |
| 03:44.45 | infinity1 | heh |
| 03:44.58 | shingouz | andpoi: fdisk, cfdisk |
| 03:45.47 | Dull4o4 | looks like there is only woody packages in non-US ... *me thinks* |
| 03:45.50 | infinity1 | what is there that is fun to do in irc |
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| 03:46.38 | Guerin | Dull4o4: non-us is defunct |
| 03:46.46 | shingouz | infinity1: Were you here on Sunday? |
| 03:46.58 | infinity1 | shingouz: no. would have i gone suicidal? |
| 03:47.03 | Guerin | yes |
| 03:47.06 | shingouz | infinity1: Good point |
| 03:47.09 | Guerin | it was an epically evil sunday |
| 03:47.11 | Dull4o4 | Guerin, oki thanks, so non-free now i guess :) |
| 03:47.19 | resiak | infinity1: Come back next Sunday. Bring a sharp enough knife to penetrate skin, flesh and vein. |
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| 03:47.23 | andpoi | on cfdisk how do I mount somethin? |
| 03:47.26 | infinity1 | lol |
| 03:47.26 | Guerin | Dull4o4: non-free and non-us are/were for different things |
| 03:47.31 | resiak | andpoi: You don't. |
| 03:47.33 | Guerin | andpoi: YOU DON'T |
| 03:47.38 | resiak | andpoi: man cfdisk, man mount, man fstab |
| 03:47.43 | infinity1 | resiak: what should i prepare for? |
| 03:47.44 | Guerin | !announce sunday |
| 03:47.51 | Guerin | hrm |
| 03:47.55 | resiak | !listkeys announce |
| 03:47.56 | Delph | announce what announce? |
| 03:47.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'announce' by key (3): debian-devel-announce ;; announce permasunday ;; dhis-announce. |
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| 03:48.09 | resiak | !announce sunday is <reply> see announce permasunday |
| 03:48.09 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 03:48.11 | resiak | !announce sunday |
| 03:48.11 | infinity1 | on sunday, is this place full of super-noobs? |
| 03:48.11 | dpkg | announce permasunday are YOU missing the joys of Sunday in your life? Fear no more! Simply /j #debian, and experience Sunday EVERY DAY! If you /join now, you'll get a limited edition golden Mepis CD! |
| 03:48.17 | Kommissar | Hello all, I am trying to install woody on a computer that has an integrated highpoint raid controller, but the installer won't autoload the drivers or modules for it. Other distros like Ubuntu or fedora do this, how can i get the debian installer to do it? |
| 03:48.19 | Delph | lol |
| 03:48.31 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 03:48.31 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. |
| 03:48.49 | Guerin | Kommissar: why are you installing woody? |
| 03:48.51 | Phated | greycat has a lot of penguin deaths on his conscience. |
| 03:48.54 | Guerin | !woody hardware support |
| 03:48.54 | dpkg | somebody said woody hardware support was firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 03:48.56 | Dull4o4 | Guerin, so is the non-US to be reactivated or is it permanent gone? |
| 03:48.58 | MobyTurbo | !d-i Kommissar |
| 03:48.59 | dpkg | Kommissar, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:49.02 | resiak | I can't make him shut up with the "announce permasunday" stuffs at the start. |
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| 03:49.14 | Guerin | Dull4o4: it's unnecessary now. |
| 03:49.14 | shingouz | infinity1: What should you pprepare for if you show up here on Sunday? Migraine, lots of tylenol and a huge lart |
| 03:49.18 | Kommissar | I'm sorry, i meant sarge |
| 03:49.24 | Guerin | resiak: change the factoid to <reply> |
| 03:49.25 | Phated | resiak: Has he perhaps lost the power of <reply>? |
| 03:50.06 | Dull4o4 | Guerin, replaced by nerim.net ? or how do you mean? got anywhere i can read about it? tried to find but mostly old stuff... |
| 03:50.49 | MobyTurbo | Dull4o4: probably most of it was moved to main, non-US existed because of crypto export regulations that no longer hold true. |
| 03:50.51 | resiak | Guerin, Phated: It's got <reply>. Come on, I have at least vague blootskillz |
| 03:50.56 | andpoi | thanks guys. |
| 03:50.56 | andpoi | later. |
| 03:51.08 | Phated | resiak: He does? |
| 03:51.16 | Dull4o4 | MobyTurbo, oh i see, change of us-laws.. cool :) |
| 03:51.33 | Phated | So he does. |
| 03:51.40 | resiak | Phated: So does raseac --> |
| 03:51.49 | Phated | resiak: Never mind raseac. |
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| 03:52.30 | gteppel | has anybody used Wondershaper in the unstable stream?, There are options for low priority ports/netmasks: NOPRIOPORTSRC/NOPRIOPORTDST (source/destination). Would source ports be ports that are low priority and its a server I'm running?, while Dest ports are ones like FTP traffic or WWW traffic. Am I making a correction assumption here? |
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| 03:53.02 | simonrvn | Dull4o4, MobyTurbo: yeh. probably because they figured out how to crack the hash or algorithm |
| 03:53.10 | resiak | dondelelcaro! I found a bug! |
| 03:53.23 | infinity1 | gteppel: i had better luck writing my own script. |
| 03:53.32 | Dull4o4 | simonrvn, i guess.... |
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| 03:54.01 | resiak | dondelelcaro: Sorry, let me do some more prodding before you worry. |
| 03:54.02 | bucky | gteppel, have you read /usr/share/doc/wondershaper/README.Debian |
| 03:54.05 | simonrvn | Dull4o4: this is the nsa and other entities we're talking about |
| 03:54.05 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: no, the problem was that *any* "strong" cryptography was classified as munitions by the US government. |
| 03:54.11 | gteppel | yes |
| 03:54.15 | gteppel | i have bucky |
| 03:54.18 | nicedreams | how to get it so i can control my desktop with vnc? I launch vnc server, but I want to control my main desktop, not open a seond one to control. |
| 03:54.42 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: and why did they drop the definition, then? you don't wonder why? ;) |
| 03:54.49 | bucky | gteppel, is there a reason you want unstable? |
| 03:54.50 | Phated | Launch vnc server on your main desktop and use a client from another box? |
| 03:54.55 | phillipsjk | ...but now the US gov't can decrypt in polynomial time, so no worries! |
| 03:55.09 | nicedreams | Phated, so i just have to launch it from the gui i'm in? |
| 03:55.15 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: thus leading to the bizzare situation that US citizens had to download SSL from outside of the US because of laws designed to keep SSL from being available to any but USAians. |
| 03:55.44 | bucky | now the feds can crack any encryption |
| 03:55.46 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: because the law made no sense and that software companies have lobbiests too. |
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| 03:55.48 | gteppel | bucky: there were a few packages that I wanted unstable |
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| 03:55.56 | foo | I have 0% free space on root .. |
| 03:55.56 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: like pgp. for mock 8-9 you have to fetch it from a mit.edu site |
| 03:55.59 | bucky | gteppel, hmm.. don't know |
| 03:56.01 | foo | What can I do to free up some files? |
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| 03:56.14 | simonrvn | lobbyist |
| 03:56.15 | chealer | nicedreams: if you use KDE, krfb does that |
| 03:56.29 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: UC Berkeley has an unofficial non-US source too. It was civil disobedience. |
| 03:56.38 | Xenguy | foo: apt-get autoclean <-- usually helps |
| 03:56.47 | nicedreams | I'm using Fluxbox |
| 03:56.48 | chealer | foo: hehe, the same happened to me today. remove some package |
| 03:56.49 | Xenguy | foo: (I assume you want to increase disk space) |
| 03:57.05 | Dull4o4 | simonrvn, did nsa invent SELinux? it's on their site. Luckely it's open source, otherwise i woudln't even think of installing it, haha :P |
| 03:57.20 | simonrvn | i still haven't |
| 03:57.22 | nicedreams | is there a way I can start the vncserver in fluxbox remotely with putty? |
| 03:57.31 | nicedreams | so i can control that desktop? |
| 03:57.33 | Dull4o4 | putty cat? |
| 03:57.36 | Phated | nicedreams: From the desktop that you want to control your main desktop in, yeah. |
| 03:57.48 | foo | Xenguy: Thanks, but that only cleared 3 MB |
| 03:57.52 | foo | Hmm, anyway to remove all games? |
| 03:57.53 | nicedreams | I have X forwarding on in putty |
| 03:57.55 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: yeh, i know. just me partly bugging you, and partly paranoid |
| 03:58.21 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: you weren't bugging me, and we all are paranoid. ;-) |
| 03:58.22 | Xenguy | foo: another trick for finding the offending large files is -> ls -lR | sort +4nr |less |
| 03:58.28 | Xenguy | foo: typically run from / |
| 03:59.02 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: hehe ;) |
| 03:59.36 | Xenguy | foo: er, as root |
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| 04:01.13 | zxclkjqwe | foo: tried dpigs? |
| 04:01.36 | foo | zxclkjqwe: No, what is that? I removed everything from /var/log/ksymoops |
| 04:01.39 | foo | Lots of stuff in there |
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| 04:02.03 | phillipsjk | foo ask *before* deleting... |
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| 04:02.23 | foo | phillipsjk: Was that stuff important? Probably just something complaining |
| 04:03.06 | phillipsjk | foo only if you are monitoring a server (log files) (I'm guessing) |
| 04:03.09 | Xenguy | zxclkjqwe: dpigs looks handy :-) |
| 04:03.55 | zxclkjqwe | foo: apt-get install debian-goodies |
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| 04:04.19 | Dull4o4 | goodies? |
| 04:04.19 | mklebel | how come i only have sound with .wmv files and not .avi or mpeg? |
| 04:04.35 | Dull4o4 | mklebel, missing codecs |
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| 04:05.53 | mklebel | i have the w32codecs installed, what else do i need? |
| 04:06.48 | binarydigit_ | are you sure those pornos you are trying to play have sound |
| 04:06.54 | binarydigit_ | i know sometimes they dont have sound |
| 04:07.03 | phillipsjk | heh |
| 04:07.07 | mklebel | im pretty sure King Authur has sound :p |
| 04:07.09 | foo | zxclkjqwe: Ok, what is this that dbpigs shows? |
| 04:07.15 | zxclkjqwe | foo: man dpigs |
| 04:07.20 | binarydigit_ | starring ron jeremy |
| 04:07.35 | zxclkjqwe | foo: hm, no manpage |
| 04:07.47 | zxclkjqwe | foo: anyway, it shows the fattest packages installed on your system |
| 04:07.51 | Dull4o4 | mklebel, i've always used mplayer + codecs.... just installed debian so haven't gotten to that part just yet |
| 04:08.09 | binarydigit_ | well debian doesnt include mplayer anymore |
| 04:08.26 | dondelelcaro | binarydigit_: "anymore"? It never has. |
| 04:08.26 | Dull4o4 | binarydigit, it's on nerim.net.. or you build it yourself ;) |
| 04:08.29 | MobyTurbo | you can get mplayer from marillat |
| 04:08.50 | Dull4o4 | or marillat or whatever it was called... |
| 04:08.56 | zxclkjqwe | binarydigit_: I've found gxine and totem to play at least as many filetypes as mplayer (although I do prefer mplayer) |
| 04:08.57 | binarydigit_ | dondelelcaro: really? i thought it was somewhat recent that it was removed |
| 04:08.59 | MobyTurbo | !tell binarydigit_ -about marillat |
| 04:09.04 | dondelelcaro | binarydigit_: nope. |
| 04:09.07 | Dull4o4 | vlc is included though |
| 04:09.17 | binarydigit_ | yea i installed it through marillat |
| 04:09.20 | binarydigit_ | thanks |
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| 04:09.38 | Dull4o4 | !tell Dull4o4 -about marillat |
| 04:10.07 | gravity | Dull4o4: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 04:10.11 | gravity | Or anything else |
| 04:10.12 | Dull4o4 | hehe... |
| 04:10.23 | Dull4o4 | <-- i'm tired, forgot ;) |
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| 04:12.18 | Bozza | Hi, Im running Debian using iptables and everything like IRC/websites ect... start working then it just stops, any ideas what can cause this? im guessing its a firewall rule but i cant find what it might be |
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| 04:13.14 | jazzmans | is anyone here having problems with xmms running sarge? 1.2.10 specifically. All of a sudden, I cannot load 80% of my music files, xmms stops at 5635 files (I have nearly 20k) |
| 04:13.33 | Dull4o4 | Bozza, get firestarter :P |
| 04:13.43 | Wyzard | or FireHOL |
| 04:13.50 | phillipsjk | jazzmans out of disk space? |
| 04:14.00 | jazzmans | close, but I'm not out of space. |
| 04:14.03 | Wyzard | Bozza: You keep saying you suspect a firewall problem, but I don't think you've said what firewall you're using and how you have it configured |
| 04:14.26 | phillipsjk | jazzmans root may reserve 5% |
| 04:14.28 | jazzmans | phillipsjk, 800 gig of wavs, the 3 drives are all about 99% filled |
| 04:14.39 | Bozza | im using iptables |
| 04:14.40 | Wyzard | phillipsjk: That reserved space doesn't show up with "df" |
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| 04:14.51 | jazzmans | phillipsjk, what would that have to do with xmms not working properly? |
| 04:14.52 | phillipsjk | k. |
| 04:15.10 | Wyzard | Bozza: iptables is the kernel facility, but are you using a tool such as FireHOL or Shorewall to generate the iptables rules, or did you write them by hand? |
| 04:15.31 | Bozza | written by hand |
| 04:15.41 | Wyzard | Bozza: that's not recommended anyway... install a firewall package |
| 04:15.50 | nicedreams | I keep getting "Warning: mediapc:0 is taken because of /tmp/.X0-lock" when I try to launch vncserver with :0 |
| 04:15.53 | Dull4o4 | jazzmans, 800 gig of wavs? :S |
| 04:16.03 | Bozza | any recommended package i should try? |
| 04:16.08 | nicedreams | if I launch vncserver it goes to :1 but I want the current open desktop |
| 04:16.10 | Wyzard | jazzmans: You might want to consider compressing those wavs with FLAC :-) |
| 04:16.13 | Wyzard | Bozza: I like FireHOL |
| 04:16.17 | toresbe | nicedreams: heh |
| 04:16.17 | Dull4o4 | Bozza, i said firestarter ^ |
| 04:16.21 | toresbe | nicedreams: that's not possible |
| 04:16.32 | Bozza | ok, i'll give those a try, thanks :) |
| 04:16.36 | jazzmans | Dull404, yeah, and they're all ripped from my own cds. Wyzard, could I have full access to listen/ record them after using flac? |
| 04:16.48 | nicedreams | arg...I can't beleive i'm having this much trouble getting vnc to work for me |
| 04:16.55 | nicedreams | when i've been using it for years on windows |
| 04:16.56 | Wyzard | jazzmans: As long as you use a player that supports FLAC (which xmms does, with the appropriate plugin installed), yes |
| 04:17.15 | jazzmans | Wyzard, any help on xmms not working? :) |
| 04:17.16 | leo | dondelelcaro: sometimes dpkg is not very didactic, usually we want him to give us a definition, instead of he says where to get a package or make a joke.. |
| 04:17.25 | Dull4o4 | jazzmans, encode them all ass ogg, that's what i would do |
| 04:17.48 | Wyzard | jazzmans: dunno about that, sorry... I don't load thousands of files into a playlist |
| 04:18.15 | Wyzard | Dull4o4: If he hasn't done that already, he probably doesn't want lossy compression |
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| 04:18.36 | dondelelcaro | leo: eh? |
| 04:18.39 | phillipsjk | jazzmans related to my earlier theory; how much memory to you have free? |
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| 04:19.10 | MobyTurbo | leo: if you want a dictionary apt-get dict and use a dict client. |
| 04:19.15 | jazzmans | Wyzard, it's running into a high end stereo system, so no loss is acceptable. phillipsjk, RAM? gkrellm says 631Meg of 758 Meg free. |
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| 04:19.43 | Dull4o4 | Wyzard, ogg-vorbis is good though... :P |
| 04:20.09 | Wyzard | jazzmans: Vorbis at -q7 or so should be indistinguishable from lossless anyway, but I can understand wanting to keep the original around |
| 04:20.10 | phillipsjk | did it load 20K files in the past? |
| 04:20.14 | d0s4gw | how do i configure firefox to use my jre? |
| 04:20.25 | Wyzard | jazzmans: But FLAC should give you around (roughly) 2:1 compression, at least, losslessly |
| 04:20.41 | d0s4gw | i've wasted like 2 hours on this |
| 04:20.42 | MobyTurbo | d0s4gw: /msg dpkg java |
| 04:20.45 | Dull4o4 | Wyzard, original=cds ;) |
| 04:21.06 | Wyzard | d0s4gw: If you use make-jpkg, I think the resulting package takes care of that automatically |
| 04:21.25 | Wyzard | Dull4o4: Ripping CDs is surprisingly lossy... best to do a good job of it once, and then keep the resulting files |
| 04:21.33 | jazzmans | Dull404, original != cd,s they are too much effort to use. original=wavs on hdds. |
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| 04:22.34 | Dull4o4 | Wyzard, there is "exact audio copy" at least for windows... but it ripps at 2x speed or something |
| 04:22.45 | dondelelcaro | leo: you're going to have to give specific examples if you want my assistance with that. |
| 04:23.02 | jazzmans | if no-one has any suggestions about making xmms work properly, what about an alternative media player? juk consistently b0rks and takes all cpu cycles, what would y'all suggest? (gotta handle 20k of files) |
| 04:23.12 | phillipsjk | did it load 20K files in the past? |
| 04:23.16 | zxclkjqwe | dondelelcaro: i think he's moaning about the bot |
| 04:23.16 | MobyTurbo | Dull4o4: you can do that in Linux too. A quick and dirty way is with dd. |
| 04:23.20 | lexxan | whats wrong with xmms |
| 04:23.28 | jazzmans | phillipsjk, yes, for the last 2 years. just this week it's been b0rking. |
| 04:23.39 | binarydigit_ | try beep |
| 04:23.41 | jazzmans | lexxan, scroll up. |
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| 04:23.45 | Wyzard | Dull4o4: All that does is correct for jitter... there's also the issue of scratches on the CD, and the fact that the audio you rip is "skewed" -- you lose a few samples off the beginning and gain a few blank ones at the end |
| 04:23.53 | lexxan | jazzmans, I just joined |
| 04:23.55 | Dull4o4 | MobyTurbo, will it split the tracks? |
| 04:24.07 | zxclkjqwe | MobyTurbo: is that right? you can get audio using dd? |
| 04:24.13 | MobyTurbo | Dull4o4: no, for that you need certain software. |
| 04:24.16 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: dd won't copy audio CDs |
| 04:24.21 | jazzmans | lexxan; is anyone here having problems with xmms running sarge? 1.2.10 specifically. All of a sudden, I cannot load 80% of my music files, xmms stops at 5635 files (I have nearly 20k) |
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| 04:24.26 | Dull4o4 | MobyTurbo, ok |
| 04:24.33 | dondelelcaro | zxclkjqwe: yes... but in a generalized fashion... |
| 04:24.33 | MobyTurbo | Wyzard: it won't? nm then |
| 04:24.35 | phillipsjk | my new theory is currupted configuration files. |
| 04:25.03 | MobyTurbo | Dull4o4: maybe you should ignore my "dd" remark. I've only used that on data CDs. |
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| 04:25.27 | Dull4o4 | Wyzard, well it's the best you can do when it comes to ripping audio... |
| 04:25.32 | Dull4o4 | MobyTurbo, heh :P |
| 04:25.40 | leo | dondelelcaro: don't mind me, I was just a bit confused with ffmpeg output. I'm angry with encoders... |
| 04:25.44 | jazzmans | Dull4o4, I use grip and cdparanoia, it works well. |
| 04:25.55 | zxclkjqwe | dondelelcaro: as in if i have a disc that cdparanoia can't rip (due to scratches and so on) then using dd is worth a try? |
| 04:26.06 | Wyzard | jazzmans: Try running xmms under strace and see if it produces any interesting output when the problem occurs |
| 04:26.22 | Wyzard | Dull4o4: I'm still trying (on occasion) to measure my drive's read skew so I can correct for it |
| 04:26.24 | dondelelcaro | zxclkjqwe: no. |
| 04:26.29 | Wyzard | Dull4o4: It's different for every drive |
| 04:26.32 | dondelelcaro | zxclkjqwe: dd will not rip audio cds |
| 04:26.35 | jazzmans | Wyzard, I don't know anything about strace, I'll look at it. |
| 04:26.39 | zxclkjqwe | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 04:26.40 | dondelelcaro | leo: fix the factoid then... |
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| 04:26.56 | Dull4o4 | jazzmans, but when you have the originals, keeping them as wavs is a waste of space..... as i said, get ogg-vorbis :P |
| 04:27.20 | binarydigit_ | jazzmans: try beep player |
| 04:27.41 | Dull4o4 | Wyzard, one other thing is, as far as i know mp3 cant hold surround sound.... |
| 04:27.42 | dondelelcaro | zxclkjqwe: cdparanoia should still work with scratches though... it may just take it longer |
| 04:28.03 | MikeH | how can I set the time in the console? |
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| 04:28.05 | leo | dondelelcaro: can I fix it? how? |
| 04:28.06 | zxclkjqwe | dondelelcaro: well i've had discs that it's refused to play ball with |
| 04:28.08 | jazzmans | checking on beep now, thanks binarydigit_ Dull404, I archive the original cds, at a different location. |
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| 04:28.16 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: Depends on how bad the scratch is :-) |
| 04:28.21 | MobyTurbo | MikeH: man date |
| 04:28.28 | binarydigit_ | jazzmans: yea its a fork of xmms, so it should be able to do everything you did , plugins and skins and what not in xmms |
| 04:28.32 | Dull4o4 | jazzmans, ok :) |
| 04:28.33 | phillipsjk | dondelelcaro unless the CD drive gives up :) |
| 04:28.37 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: well, if the cdplayer can read it at all, cdparanoia should be able to read it |
| 04:28.39 | MobyTurbo | MikeH: or use an ntp client |
| 04:28.41 | zxclkjqwe | dondelelcaro: of course they play perfectly in an audio cd player... |
| 04:28.56 | dondelelcaro | zxclkjqwe: probably your drive doesn't like them for some reason |
| 04:29.03 | zxclkjqwe | dondelelcaro: yeah, maybe |
| 04:29.17 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: Right, but sometimes the CD player can't read it either, and you hear an audible skip |
| 04:29.19 | zxclkjqwe | dondelelcaro: but they even played fine in that same drive with cdcd |
| 04:29.30 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yes... that's when the -z option comes into play |
| 04:29.31 | MikeH | MobyTurbo: what would you suggest as an NTP client? |
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| 04:29.46 | dondelelcaro | zxclkjqwe: hrm... well, it could be an issue with cdrecord... what is the exact issue that you see? |
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| 04:30.31 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: I've seen CDs where even with -z and several hours of waiting, cdparanoia couldn't defeat the scratch |
| 04:30.31 | zxclkjqwe | dondelelcaro: well it happened a while ago now, but i think cdparanoia just recorded long files of silence (full or zeros or something when you look inside them) |
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| 04:30.42 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: oh, sure... but it should still make it past it |
| 04:30.45 | jazzmans | Wyzard, I've had only a couple cd's take over an hour, one took 24 hours to rip. |
| 04:30.49 | azbaer1 | quick question bout sarge |
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| 04:31.23 | MobyTurbo | MikeH: lots of people use ntp-simple, I don't use an ntp daemon as I'm on dial-up. |
| 04:31.31 | chealer | what's a login shell? |
| 04:31.31 | azbaer1 | once it is released, do I just change my apt sources to sarge or stable instead of testing |
| 04:31.46 | Wyzard | azbaer1: If you change them to "sarge" now, they'll work both now and after the release |
| 04:31.54 | chealer | azbaer1: if you want to stick on sarge instead of going with etch, yes |
| 04:31.58 | jazzmans | soo, what's the syntax to run strace with a program? the man page is cryptic, as usual. |
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| 04:32.01 | azbaer1 | really |
| 04:32.06 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: That's even more reason to use the daemon... it'll keep your clock correct even when no external time source is available |
| 04:32.29 | azbaer1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.52 | garung | should i install gcc3.4? |
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| 04:33.26 | azbaer1 | then having to do a complete reinstall! |
| 04:33.28 | tuggy | doea anyone knwo something similar to this (http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net) with a control bar? |
| 04:33.29 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: On many systems, the clock oscillator is slightly fast or slightly slow... ntpd measures that (using an external time source) and then corrects for it (even when no external time source is available) |
| 04:33.42 | Wyzard | garung: If you want to compile stuff with it, sure |
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| 04:33.47 | MobyTurbo | Wyzard: ah... thanks |
| 04:34.07 | tuggy | **does anyone know something similar to this (http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net) with a control bar? |
| 04:34.16 | Wyzard | garung: GCC 3.3 is the default in Debian, though, because 3.4 uses a different ABI so code compiled with it can't be linked to code compiled with earlier versions |
| 04:34.18 | garung | Wyzard, do i need to remove my current gcc version 3.3.5? |
| 04:34.26 | garung | oh |
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| 04:34.37 | Wyzard | garung: After sarge is released, we'll (at some point) probably switch over to 4.0, which was released a few weeks ago |
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| 04:34.49 | kingsley_ | What's a good dns server, especially one that caches for upstream servers and checks /etc/hosts? |
| 04:34.57 | Wyzard | garung: You can have both versions installed at the same time... "gcc-3.3" and "gcc-3.4" |
| 04:35.01 | tuggy | 4.0 seems to be slower than 3.4 |
| 04:35.45 | garung | Wyzard: but how do i make some app accept gcc3.4 when install? |
| 04:35.47 | chealer | Wyzard: all GCC releases of the same major version use the same ABI? |
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| 04:36.14 | Wyzard | chealer: Nope... 3.2 broke ABI, I believe, and 3.4 broke it again |
| 04:36.18 | slugbug | hello, I'm having a problem, possibly kernel-related: I'm using a PS/2 mouse on a serial port, ttyS0. The computer can get data from the mouse if the device node is accessed while the mouse is producing data, but otherwise it is unable. |
| 04:36.26 | Wyzard | garung: "Accept" GCC 3.4? |
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| 04:36.50 | slugbug | If I'm moving the mouse when a program reads the node, then it gets data until I stop using the mouse, and then it doesn't see any more movement. |
| 04:36.54 | Wyzard | slugbug: If it's connected to a serial port, it's not a PS/2 mouse |
| 04:37.02 | hanasaki | alsaplayer is giving the followign error.. but i have all the versions apt-get from sarge.. anyone know what is up? Failed to load text interface. This is bad (gtk,gtk,/usr/lib/alsaplayer) |
| 04:37.02 | hanasaki | Segmentation fault |
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| 04:37.11 | garung | Wyzard, i meant how do i compile with gcc3.4 instead of 3.3? |
| 04:37.21 | chealer | Wyzard: ok, but it's sure that minor versions don't change the ABI? |
| 04:37.31 | slugbug | Wyzard: I'm using an adapter. My PS/2 port is broken. |
| 04:37.44 | Wyzard | garung: Use "gcc-3.4" as your compiler |
| 04:37.50 | garung | yeah |
| 04:37.52 | garung | how? |
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| 04:38.06 | MobyTurbo | garung: if you need to ask you shouldn't |
| 04:38.07 | Wyzard | slugbug: Those adapters only work with mice that are designed to support them... the mouse actually switches protocols, so again, it's not a PS/2 mouse, it's a serial mouse |
| 04:38.15 | Guerin | i believe you need to ream /man ln' |
| 04:38.26 | Guerin | or read it, perhaps |
| 04:38.28 | garung | MobyTurbo: ? |
| 04:38.28 | azbaer1 | wyzard and chealer...Thanks! |
| 04:38.30 | phillipsjk | slugbug: is it a dual-protocol (PS/2 and serial) mouse? The adapter does not work on all mice. |
| 04:38.30 | Wyzard | garung: However, if you're compiling software applications from scratch, you should really just be installing packaged versions |
| 04:38.40 | leo | dondelelcaro: what to do, to edit the factoid ? |
| 04:38.41 | Guerin | garung: really - do you have any reason to use 3.4? |
| 04:38.46 | garung | yes |
| 04:38.48 | slugbug | phillipsjk: yes |
| 04:38.49 | garung | i do |
| 04:39.02 | garung | linuxdcpp requires gcc3.4 to compile |
| 04:39.03 | Wyzard | chealer: If you mean like from 3.3.5 to 3.3.6, I'm pretty sure those will never contain ABI changes, but gcc.gnu.org would be the authoritative place to find out |
| 04:39.03 | MobyTurbo | !tell garung -about enter |
| 04:39.09 | Guerin | hahah |
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| 04:39.26 | slugbug | the problem probably has something to do with the serial parameters (baudrate, stop bits, parity) |
| 04:39.30 | Guerin | let it bleed |
| 04:39.33 | garung | heh |
| 04:39.33 | chealer | Wyzard: ok, that's what I meant indeed |
| 04:40.18 | Wyzard | slugbug: If you get any correct mouse movement at all, serial parameters are probably not the problem |
| 04:40.21 | phillipsjk | my mouse works in msc mode |
| 04:41.02 | slugbug | Wyzard: correct mouse movement until the mouse stops sending data. |
| 04:41.03 | Wyzard | phillipsjk: If you have a switch on the bottom that says PS2/MSC, that's a protocol selector, and you probably want to set it to MSC |
| 04:41.09 | garung | Wyzard, can i make a symlink with gcc3.4? |
| 04:41.18 | garung | not it fsuck up right? |
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| 04:41.39 | Wyzard | garung: If you want 3.4 to be your default compiler (The one that the "gcc" symlink points to), you should use update-alternatives |
| 04:41.51 | garung | oh |
| 04:41.56 | garung | thanks Wyzard :) |
| 04:42.03 | Wyzard | slugbug: But any correct data at all means that the serial port was able to correctly interpret the bits being sent |
| 04:42.05 | phillipsjk | google serialmouse HOWTO |
| 04:42.18 | calyth | Hi all, I'm using 2.6.10 patched with software suspend 2, and seems to be using udev. is there any reason why supposedly /dev/ttyUSB0 got moved into /dev/.static/dev/ttyUSB0? |
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| 04:42.41 | slugbug | Wyzard: yeah, but it might not be... synchronizing? when the mouse starts sending again |
| 04:43.13 | Wyzard | slugbug: Or you might be making up explanations? :-P |
| 04:43.28 | karsten | Wyzard: I smell a rat! |
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| 04:44.29 | phillipsjk | slugbug does the pointer jump eratticly around the screen? |
| 04:44.38 | Wyzard | Admittedly, though, serial ports are complex and easy to misconfigure |
| 04:44.51 | Wyzard | I'd tend to suspect that the mouse (or at least its serial support) might just be broken |
| 04:45.22 | slugbug | phillipsjk: No, if I start X while I'm moving the mouse, then it will move until I stop moving it again, then if I try to movie it again it will not |
| 04:45.35 | MobyTurbo | a serial mouse that still works after the several years' time it undoubtedly has been around would be a miracle. |
| 04:45.39 | Wyzard | I'd also want to get a new mouse :-) |
| 04:45.56 | Wyzard | maybe a USB one |
| 04:46.21 | Wyzard | karsten: Cordless? :-) |
| 04:46.24 | karsten | Particularly as it's made by a large, well-known tech company. |
| 04:46.31 | simonrvn | 3 button adb. w00t |
| 04:46.33 | karsten | Wyzard: Nope. It's got a tail. |
| 04:46.59 | karsten | ...known for its domination of the PC industry. |
| 04:47.02 | MobyTurbo | mine is three button if you depress the wheel. |
| 04:47.04 | karsten | Compaq. |
| 04:47.11 | Wyzard | I'd make a joke about 3 blind mice getting their tails cut off by the farmer's wife... but, well, I guess an optical mouse can't really be called blind |
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| 04:47.29 | karsten | Wyzard: Well, they can be, but, well, they're sorta useless. |
| 04:47.33 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:47.37 | MobyTurbo | mine is HP, which is the same company as compaq nowadays. |
| 04:47.43 | simonrvn | no, it couldn't since it has that "eye" ;p |
| 04:48.22 | Wyzard | Logitech MX700 here... I wish Metacity supported binding button presses so I could make the thumb buttons do something useful |
| 04:48.24 | karsten | It has dual functionality ... |
| 04:48.27 | karsten | ... as a rock. |
| 04:48.41 | karsten | simonrvn: ...and if you pick it up, you'll also find peterS living under it. |
| 04:48.55 | simonrvn | heh |
| 04:49.09 | phillipsjk | slugbug how do you have the mouse configured? |
| 04:49.12 | karsten | Wyzard: There's a standalone X keybindings tool somewhere, might help you. apt-cache is your friend. |
| 04:49.12 | mwilson | Wyzard: So use a decent window manager. :) |
| 04:49.22 | karsten | mwilson: s/decent// |
| 04:49.44 | simonrvn | i use keylaunch. lil' redudant as i've taken to use wms that can have hotkeys |
| 04:49.49 | mwilson | karsten: Now, now, he *could* be using metashitty without Gnome. |
| 04:50.10 | Wyzard | karsten: I know, I used to use it before GNOME had native keybinding support, but I don't remember whether it supports mouse clicks, and it's not an important enough problem to motivate me to check |
| 04:50.22 | karsten | mwilson: You can also use an automatic gearshift without a car. |
| 04:50.27 | Wyzard | lol |
| 04:50.31 | karsten | mwilson: Doesn't mean it has much utility in either situation. |
| 04:50.35 | simonrvn | karsten: just a stick in your hand |
| 04:50.56 | simonrvn | my car has 18 gears |
| 04:51.02 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 04:51.05 | mwilson | karsten: I booted Ubuntu's live CD again the other day... I still can't understand why anyone would use Gnome. |
| 04:51.09 | Wyzard | simonrvn: What is it, a bicycle? |
| 04:51.16 | karsten | mwilson: GNOME is a class example in bad application scoping. |
| 04:51.17 | simonrvn | Wyzard: *ding* |
| 04:51.29 | karsten | mwilson: It's *pretty* and there's nearly naked people on it. |
| 04:51.36 | Wyzard | mwilson: It helps to use a theme whose central color isn't brown :-) |
| 04:51.58 | karsten | ...and a 5-speed truck. |
| 04:52.21 | mwilson | Gnome is sh*t no matter what theme you apply to it.] |
| 04:52.27 | simonrvn | just some upgrading on it yesterday. quick release front wheel, re-did the back wheel, with a new free wheel, but i need to re-do the bottom bracket, and replace my cones |
| 04:53.12 | simonrvn | my "car" is also my pick-up truck ;) |
| 04:53.17 | mwilson | That's either a big plus for the bike, or a big downcheck for the car. :) |
| 04:53.18 | karsten | mwilson: It has a low learning curve. For the point-and-click crowd, it's somewhat useful. |
| 04:53.31 | darkness | Say can you get UML for debian that will work in skas mode? |
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| 04:53.39 | karsten | simonrvn: Yeah, but do you have gun rack for your bike? |
| 04:53.51 | karsten | mwilson: 110 MPH in the truck. |
| 04:54.04 | simonrvn | never. i don't need to hunt in the city |
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| 04:54.22 | simonrvn | if i was in the bush, i'd walk anyway |
| 04:54.32 | karsten | mwilson: I've worked w/ Winders fokes who can't figure out where apps are when their desktop icons are rearranged. |
| 04:54.42 | karsten | simonrvn: Pity, as there's such an abundant local food supply ;-) |
| 04:54.42 | MobyTurbo | garung: don't version me |
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| 04:55.01 | simonrvn | blah. roof rabbit doesn't look very appealing |
| 04:55.15 | simonrvn | ...nor does their toxic content |
| 04:55.16 | karsten | simonrvn: Lawyers! |
| 04:55.35 | simonrvn | i don't eat people, dear. |
| 04:55.37 | Wyzard | karsten: I'm not quite the "point-and-click crowd", but I do like a consistent UI between applications, which an all-GTK environment provides |
| 04:55.57 | karsten | simonrvn: Um. Well. Um. No comment. |
| 04:56.08 | shingouz | simonrvn: You sure lawyers are people? |
| 04:56.10 | simonrvn | it's nice to point & click when you have a sore pair of wrists |
| 04:56.14 | karsten | Wyzard: I've got a few thoughts on that. Been to college? |
| 04:56.24 | Wyzard | karsten: Graduated last spring |
| 04:56.26 | simonrvn | karsten: haha :). got you |
| 04:56.51 | karsten | Wyzard: Where at? |
| 04:57.06 | Wyzard | karsten: Lehigh University, BS in computer science |
| 04:57.37 | karsten | Wyzard: Older campus, right? |
| 04:58.08 | Wyzard | karsten: Fairly old, yes |
| 04:58.22 | karsten | Wyzard: A mix of architectural styles? |
| 04:58.56 | Wyzard | karsten: More or less... the older buildings at the core of the campus are similar, and the newer stuff is different |
| 04:58.58 | karsten | Wyzard: Right. |
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| 04:59.17 | karsten | Wyzard: And you can pretty much tell where you are (as you just indicated) by the building style. |
| 04:59.43 | karsten | Wyzard: There's two types of colleges (or towns, or shopping centers, or coporate campuses, or ...). |
| 04:59.47 | Wyzard | karsten: You're suggesting that having inconsistent UIs makes it easy to recognize applications by their look-and-feel? |
| 05:00.03 | karsten | Wyzard: 1). Those with a uniform building style. 2). Those which have been around for a while. |
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| 05:00.36 | karsten | Wyzard: Well. Thing is, a uniform application appearance, parituclarly in UI, means you either have to scrap everything for the current design, _or_ rewrite everyting to it. |
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| 05:01.14 | karsten | Wyzard: And yes, actually, I _do_ sort of find it useful to look at an app and be able to tell, very casually, what it is, from its appearance. GIMP looks different from Galeon looks different from xpdf looks different from gv. |
| 05:01.22 | Wyzard | karsten: And that's led to GTK/GNOME (and Qt/KDE) apps being written that do basically the same thing as existing apps which use different UI toolkits |
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| 05:01.36 | kokoko1 | morning |
| 05:01.55 | kapitol | anybody know if it is possible to ad a rule to /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf file to block spam with a VERY specific subject? |
| 05:02.00 | karsten | Wyzard: ... well, yes, And which group do you plan to hold a collective gun to its collective head and tell it to stop? |
| 05:02.01 | Wyzard | karsten: Well, Gimp looks different from Galeon because it serves a different purpose and has a completely different layout... but at least, both being GTK apps, they have the same color and fonts and icons and such |
| 05:02.19 | Wyzard | karsten: That's the sort of thing I mean |
| 05:02.32 | karsten | Wyzard: ...or plain Gtk, or GNUstep (which looks entirely different on different target systems, eg: Linux vs. Mac OS X. |
| 05:02.36 | karsten | ) |
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| 05:03.05 | ledestin | Wyzard: I just got used to apps being different and don't notice anymore |
| 05:03.17 | karsten | Wyzard: So basically, you can get an entirely uniform application appearance _only_ if you can collectively hold people to account for stuff. Windows lets you do that a tad. Mac does so to a very strong extent. |
| 05:03.20 | Wyzard | karsten: They also have the same dialogs for file open/save, font selection, and color selection |
| 05:03.54 | karsten | Wyzard: ...but I'm using apps now which have been written over about a 20 year span, encompassing a number of major revisions in UI design. |
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| 05:04.17 | Wyzard | karsten: I'm not talking about a Mac-like level of consistency, at least not necessarily... but put a Motif window next to a GTK window next to a QT window, and they all look different... I find that difference distracting |
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| 05:04.37 | JDahl | I am packaging a project I have working on, and I am wondering whether it's ok to have the binaries and the docs for /usr/share/doc in the same package, or if I should separate those into two packages |
| 05:04.54 | Wyzard | JDahl: #debian-devel would be a better place to ask about packaging |
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| 05:05.27 | karsten | Wyzard: Eg: the Athena scrollbar control. You know: left-click on scrollbar moves by different amounts depending on where you click, right-click scrolls _up_, and middle-click-hold drags slider. |
| 05:05.44 | Wyzard | JDahl: Usually, docs are split into a separate package if they're large, like a whole manual or something... if it's just a README and some sample config files, don't bother |
| 05:06.16 | Wyzard | karsten: Yes, and I find that scrollbar very annoying to work with... probably because I was first exposed to scrollbars in Windows, I guess |
| 05:06.37 | karsten | Wyzard: Backtracking: MSFT has implemented a whole slew of "management console" type apps all on a standard File+Folder tree view + display motif. Which I find 1) utterly ambiguous as to what I'm doing in a particular console and 2) totally insufficient to the task at hand. |
| 05:06.54 | karsten | Wyzard: I can assure you that scrollbar made eminent sense to someone at some point in time ;-) |
| 05:06.57 | Moonscope | hello, question: how do i open my firewall to allow all connections on 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 05:07.21 | Wyzard | karsten: Oh, I don't dispute that... and there are people who still prefer it too. I'm just not one of them. |
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| 05:07.37 | karsten | Moonscope: -s 127.0.0.0/8 -d 127.0.0.0/8 -j ACCEPT # i think |
| 05:07.53 | karsten | Wyzard: Anyhow, I'm using a mixed-mode environment. I find a few things. |
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| 05:08.09 | karsten | Wyzard: ... 1) I've been using some of these apps for a decade or so and am used to their quirks. |
| 05:08.12 | Moonscope | karsten: is that 'iptables -s 127.0.0.0/8 -d 127.0.0.0/8 -j ACCEPT' ?? |
| 05:08.32 | Wyzard | karsten: MMC's interface doesn't bother me, btw... choose the panel I want in the list on the left side, then look in the main part of the window to interact with it |
| 05:08.44 | karsten | Wyzard: 2) many of the "standardized" variants fix cosmetic flaws while slavisly replicating deep ones. So there's little relative game. |
| 05:08.45 | TwistedEmotions | hey karsten |
| 05:08.50 | karsten | Moonscope: I think so, don't quote me. |
| 05:08.56 | Moonscope | hehe i wont ;) |
| 05:09.01 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know why CUPS and Windows are gay? |
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| 05:09.16 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: I've had no problems printing to CUPS servers from Windows |
| 05:09.16 | TwistedEmotions | and at least my install of both suck? |
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| 05:09.22 | karsten | Moonscope: But that's the general idea. Personally I'm becoming enamored of shorewall for FW configs. |
| 05:09.23 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: Or are you suggesting that they're lovers and get along great? |
| 05:09.33 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: the second.. |
| 05:09.35 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: they're drunk? |
| 05:10.08 | TwistedEmotions | Have been trying to share a printer for like 2 weeks now.. |
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| 05:10.27 | Moonscope | karsten: i was using shorewall but is screwed up, and was only working for half the forwards. so i went to iptables scripts |
| 05:10.28 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: You know the CUPS URL for the printer's status page? http://myserver:631/printers/printername |
| 05:10.34 | TwistedEmotions | about to buy one of those 130$ network cards... |
| 05:10.48 | karsten | Wyzard: So basically: we've got a mixed model. There's little chance of settling on a single interface design. The Mac weenies will whinge about this. I can live with it. And IMO it really doesn't hurt usability terribly much. There's more than one good design model, and there *are* unambiguously bad UIs. Widget set has relaitvely little to do with that. |
| 05:10.53 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: Yeah I know that.. |
| 05:10.54 | karsten | Wyzard: IMO it's really a non-problem. |
| 05:11.00 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: In the Windows printer-setup wizard, tell it you have a network printer, and put that URL in the box where it asks for the address |
| 05:11.13 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: Then pick the appropriate driver and you're done |
| 05:11.35 | dondelelcaro | interestingly, people will call different things "unambiguously bad" |
| 05:11.38 | karsten | Moonscope: Shorewall locks stuff down pretty tight by default IIRC. The docs are a *tad* dense, but generally pretty good. Then again, I've used it for precisely one config, want to set it up on my local FW. |
| 05:11.54 | karsten | dondelelcaro: GUI 'true' is unambiguously bad. |
| 05:12.08 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: It find the printer... just gives me the error that "Access Denied, Unable to connect" |
| 05:12.17 | Wyzard | karsten: I'm not saying we should all settle on a single interface -- I'm fine with GNOME vs. KDE, for example -- but I want everything on *my desktop* to have a similar interface |
| 05:12.18 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I've no clue what that would even look like, so I'll take your word for it |
| 05:12.25 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Samba? |
| 05:12.26 | Wyzard | karsten: Either all GNOME, or all KDE, or whatever |
| 05:12.40 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: Look in CUPS's error log |
| 05:12.40 | karsten | Wyzard: Your choice. Install from w/in your $TOOLKIT_OF_CHOICE. |
| 05:12.58 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Dialog box 'true' w/ "OK" button. |
| 05:13.09 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...and if you want to extend it , a "Cancel" button. |
| 05:13.14 | dondelelcaro | karsten: that would just be useless... not necessarily a bad UI |
| 05:13.28 | karsten | dondelelcaro: A lot of "bad UI" == "useless". |
| 05:13.31 | Wyzard | karsten: (Between GNOME and KDE, I choose GNOME largely because I have yet to find a KDE theme that I like, and also partly because there's a Mozilla-based browser for GNOME, but none that I'm aware of for KDE) |
| 05:13.44 | dondelelcaro | s/ok/true/ |
| 05:13.46 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:14.18 | karsten | dondelelcaro: The usability school also has some pretty good metrics. They can't tell you how you'd fix something, but you can throw test subjects at two designs and see which accomplishes tasks faster and/or more accurately. |
| 05:14.53 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yes, but often those have to do quite a bit with the training and background of the test subjects |
| 05:15.08 | karsten | Wyzard: I like: WindowMaker as a desktop (but generally dislike WM apps), console/cli apps for admin, Gtk for most GUI apps, KNODE for newsreader. |
| 05:15.26 | karsten | Wyzard: ...and for a list of gnome grips: "gnome is fucked seven ways from sunday" in Google. |
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| 05:15.58 | karsten | dondelelcaro: The point is that by measuring *outcomes* for a *representative* user group, you _can_ objectively measure relative merits. |
| 05:15.59 | jazzmans | Okay, so I booted a kanotix disk on the sarge machine, and started xmms, (the same version 1.2.10) and the software has no problems either accessing all of my music, or playing it. What gives? any ideas? |
| 05:16.20 | karsten | dondelelcaro: It's the Jakob Nielsen mantra. |
| 05:16.28 | Wyzard | karsten: I have no problem with using a terminal (I have a hotkey bound to open one), but I prefer that the terminal app be visually consistent with the rest of the desktop too :-) |
| 05:16.39 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...and mind, I've got issues w/ good ole' Jake too. |
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| 05:16.44 | Wyzard | karsten: I'm no fan of prettyfied GUI admin tools |
| 05:16.49 | dondelelcaro | karsten: the issue with those studies is that the "representative user group" doesn't really exist |
| 05:17.13 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I'd dispute that strongly. Particularly for revenue-tied activities. |
| 05:17.23 | dondelelcaro | karsten: all those metrics do is tell you what the particular user group of the study thought. |
| 05:17.25 | simonrvn | we're all unique. you can't distill that into a "representative group" no matter what you do |
| 05:17.30 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Nice thing about money, like imminent death, is that it focusses the mind something fierce. |
| 05:17.38 | karsten | simonrvn: Just like everyone else. |
| 05:17.41 | dondelelcaro | karsten: depends on how much money you have |
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| 05:17.59 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: Even on my own computer when I set it to http://192.168.1.2:631 instead of http://localhost:631/ forbidden... |
| 05:17.59 | simonrvn | -_- |
| 05:18.02 | karsten | ... Number 15184 |
| 05:18.04 | dondelelcaro | karsten: and regardless, that isn't really at issue here... we're talking about software UI studies |
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| 05:18.19 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: Sounds like CUPS is configured to refuse connections from anywhere other than localhost |
| 05:18.21 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: You know how to open that up? I dont care WHO has access to my printer.. |
| 05:18.32 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 05:18.41 | simonsay | when setting up php4 to use pear do i need to modify the /etc/php4/apache/php.ini file? |
| 05:18.42 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: You have to allow access to the Cups webserver. |
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| 05:19.01 | TwistedEmotions | I hate that file... I've editted like 3000 times... |
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| 05:19.37 | simonrvn | @annoy simonrvn is also ca-stmnca-cuda4-gen2m1-135.vnnyca.adelphia.net |
| 05:19.39 | ravenbird | simonrvn is also ca-stmnca-cuda4-gen2m1-135.vnnyca.adelphia.net: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 05:19.47 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Allow From 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:19.50 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 05:20.03 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Add "192.168.0.0/16" or similar. |
| 05:20.05 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-110931.html printing with |
| 05:20.05 | deadcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.17 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: 192.168.1.0/24 should be what you want. |
| 05:20.23 | Wyzard | karsten: That list of GNOME gripes on the web is about trying to run GNOME apps (specifically, Nautilus) in a non-GNOME environment |
| 05:20.27 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 05:20.28 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: set the guest ok = no and see what happen |
| 05:20.43 | karsten | Wyzard: And your point is? |
| 05:20.44 | simonrvn | @no annoy simonrvn is <reply>ca-stmnca-cuda4-gen2m1-135.vnnyca.adelphia.net |
| 05:20.45 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
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| 05:21.00 | TwistedEmotions | guest not found.. |
| 05:21.15 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: that's because the walking carpet ate the guest |
| 05:21.26 | simonrvn | karsten: the same problem exists for kde. they both fail on that point. |
| 05:21.47 | Wyzard | karsten: While a valid complaint, it doesn't have any bearing on a decision as to whether to use GNOME-as-a-whole, because it's under GNOME-as-a-whole that the problems do not occur |
| 05:22.17 | karsten | Wyzard: That's where you and I walk to opposite ends of the earth. |
| 05:22.24 | Wyzard | karsten: If I wasn't using GNOME, I probably wouldn't use Nautilus either, but since I do use GNOME, Nautilus doesn't bother me at all |
| 05:22.33 | karsten | Wyzard: Unix philosophy is for modular, non-interdependent design, where possible. |
| 05:22.51 | karsten | Wyzard: GNOME is introducing a large number of grossly gratuitous interdependencies between apps. |
| 05:23.19 | karsten | Wyzard: The fact that finding out where a file has d/l'd in Mozille totally effs up my desktop *does* matter to me. |
| 05:23.21 | Wyzard | karsten: Not between apps... just on a large number of libraries and a few service daemons |
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| 05:23.30 | karsten | Wyzard: ...including background and keybindings, FWIW. |
| 05:23.42 | karsten | Wyzard: Fucking bullshit called. |
| 05:24.38 | dondelelcaro | there isn't a "desktop environment" out there that doesn't have a miasma of interdependencies on different libraries, programs, and packages. |
| 05:24.46 | Wyzard | karsten: No, GNOME apps really do not depend on each other... they depend on libgtk and libgnome and libgnomeui and such, and on having gconfd and gnome-settings-daemon running |
| 05:25.04 | simonrvn | different meaning of dependencies there |
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| 05:25.33 | karsten | dondelelcaro: However running a _file manager_ partial to one environment hasn't, in my 15 years of GUI Unix experience, completely fucked up a users' environment run under different WMs. |
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| 05:25.49 | karsten | Wyzard: Metacity is a bastardized WM offering partial functionality. |
| 05:26.06 | dondelelcaro | karsten: none of it should screw with your environmnet. If it does, file a bug. |
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| 05:26.13 | karsten | Wyzard: Nautilus is a bastardized cross of a file manager & window manager. It can't be used effectively outside of GNOME. |
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| 05:26.32 | karsten | Wyzard: ...and the developers BALDLY REFUSE TO FIX very straightforward problems with it. |
| 05:26.39 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Sec. |
| 05:26.59 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I did. The DD refused to promote it upstream. |
| 05:27.06 | dondelelcaro | karsten: so promote it yourself |
| 05:27.35 | Wyzard | karsten: Nautilus has nothing to do with being a window manager... it could use some better behavior when running "without" GNOME, but that's not the way it's supposed to be used so I can understand those bugs having low priority |
| 05:27.54 | BlackJudas | Is there a "good" overall benchmark for linux boxen? |
| 05:28.03 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Nautilus advertises itself as having a few useful features. Most of which I explore and trash in the "gnome is fucked seven ways from sunday" essay (or a linked rant). |
| 05:28.13 | simonsay | is there any other setup to be done for php4-pear other than the apt-get installation? |
| 05:28.16 | Delph | BlackJudas: is there a "good" overall length of a piece of string? |
| 05:28.17 | dondelelcaro | BlackJudas: yes. Benchmark whatever it is that you're using the box to do. |
| 05:28.24 | Wyzard | BlackJudas: A benchmark has to measure something specific or it's meaningless... there's no such thing as an "overall benchmark" |
| 05:28.30 | dondelelcaro | of course, vague bug reports about "nautilus not playing nice" aren't going to help anyone... if you're interested in having it work, figure out what is wrong, file a bug, and make a patch. |
| 05:28.37 | karsten | Wyzard: If it has nothing to do with being a window manager, why does it 1) put icons on my desktop 2) change my desktop background and 3) change my keybindings? |
| 05:28.40 | dondelelcaro | karsten: *shrug* so ask for your money back |
| 05:28.41 | BlackJudas | Delph, Indeed there is! |
| 05:29.04 | BlackJudas | dondelelcaro, Yeah, I expected that I didn't phrase my question correctly. |
| 05:29.06 | Wyzard | karsten: You can't criticize GNOME if you don't actually use GNOME... you're using one of its components in an unsupported configuration :-) |
| 05:29.17 | simonrvn | nautilus doesn't do keybindings AFAIK |
| 05:29.17 | Wyzard | karsten: (Why do you need to use it in the first place, anyway?) |
| 05:29.24 | karsten | Wyzard: Bullshit. |
| 05:29.34 | Delph | Wyzard: the point being that it is an unsupported configuration, which means that there *are* interdependencies. |
| 05:29.40 | BlackJudas | Wyzard, Yes, though something like memory/cpu/video performace would indicate a "general benchmark" to me. |
| 05:29.54 | Delph | BlackJudas: oh, a 'gamer's benchmark? |
| 05:30.18 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Read the rant. |
| 05:30.18 | simonrvn | BlackJudas: in what context? sitting idle? serving up web pages? running an ldap directory server? what? |
| 05:30.26 | Wyzard | karsten: Nautilus doesn't do keybindings -- Metacity does that -- but it draws a desktop because it's a file manager and GNOME's UI paradigm is that you can have files on your desktop. Desktop background and icons aren't a WM's role, so Nautilus isn't trying to be a WM. |
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| 05:30.35 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I don't want to waste my time reading it, since I could care less about gnome, kde or filemanagers. |
| 05:30.37 | Guerin | actually, i have a point of order |
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| 05:30.39 | BlackJudas | Delph, Maybe, honestly I don't know how to classify it. For eg: sites that review chips/mobos all seem to use sisoft sandra for winbloze, that's what I was kinda referring to. |
| 05:30.49 | karsten | Wyzard: Y'know, it's really funny how GNOME fanbois get all huffy and claim that people using GNOME apps somehow aren't gnome users. |
| 05:30.50 | Guerin | one may criticise gnome if oone has used and hated gnome in the past |
| 05:30.50 | darkness | I want to get UML, can i get UML for deb? |
| 05:30.58 | Delph | BlackJudas: gamers benchmarks |
| 05:31.06 | Delph | BlackJudas: run a game, find the average FPS. |
| 05:31.11 | dondelelcaro | anyway, the whole gnome v kde v world v * thing doesn't really belong here... feel free to join a #gnome-v-kde and have it out in a battle royale |
| 05:31.15 | Delph | probably a good guide for what you're looking for. |
| 05:31.20 | karsten | Wyzard: I can assure you that it's Nautilus that's running, not metacity. |
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| 05:31.34 | BlackJudas | simonrvn, I guess what Delph's calling them "gamers benchmarks" an overall view of how a machine performs in comparison to others. Only on the hardware level. |
| 05:31.48 | Delph | BlackJudas: but note that those sisoft benchmarks are a good guide to how well the syste is at running sysoft benchmarks. |
| 05:31.56 | Wyzard | karsten: The 'E' in "GNOME" stands for "Environment"... if you're trying to use an individual component outside that environment, then no, you're not really using GNOME |
| 05:32.01 | simonrvn | pretty meaningless. but that's cool. whatever turns your crank |
| 05:32.02 | BISS-Merlin | i need help for a confusing issue.... the /etc/inittab is set to bootlevel 2, yet the machine starts up to an X enviroment.... is there any other files to edit for bootup that should exclude the initial startup of X? |
| 05:32.13 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard, karsten: bah, take it elsewhere, please. |
| 05:32.28 | exeel | BISS-Merlin, check the /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 05:32.29 | simonrvn | BISS-Merlin: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 05:32.29 | Delph | and remember all the buisness of 3d card manufacturers optimizing for the benchmarks at the expense of the actual applications. |
| 05:32.35 | karsten | dondelelcaro: It's a matter of app design fucking up good apps (eg: Galeon) and fucking up user environments. *And* making clear that the issue is one that makes admin support a pita. Actually Guerin came up with a classic example here a week or so back trying to sort his mom's system, remotely. |
| 05:32.38 | BlackJudas | Delph, I understand that. But it does give someone an idea how fast "this" memory is in comparison to "that other system's memory" |
| 05:32.40 | BlackJudas | etc. |
| 05:32.40 | BISS-Merlin | k. thanks :) |
| 05:32.57 | dondelelcaro | karsten: that's great, I could care less about it since I don't use any of those applications. |
| 05:33.03 | karsten | Wyzard: And PHP stands for "Personal Home Page". Fact is GNOME == an application design & support framework. Stop playing childish word games. |
| 05:33.05 | Wyzard | karsten: There's nothing wrong with not using GNOME, but using parts of it like that isn't the use-case the developers are targeting |
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| 05:33.08 | Delph | BlackJudas: that's fairly pointless. |
| 05:33.15 | BlackJudas | simonrvn, I agree, I just want to "rate" my boxen. Probably a pointless endeavour. |
| 05:33.26 | Delph | BlackJudas: write a program that does random stuff |
| 05:33.31 | Delph | see how long it takes to run =:0 |
| 05:33.34 | karsten | dondelelcaro: It's a strong preference I've got for not having crap 1). shoved down my throat and 2). crap justifications floated. |
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| 05:34.00 | karsten | Wyzard: That use case is an unambiguously bad design decision, which gets back to my initial point. |
| 05:34.09 | dondelelcaro | karsten: that's great, but I haven't been doing that, and I haven't argued with you about gnome or kde at all. I've only talked about the general case here. |
| 05:34.10 | Wyzard | karsten: No, it's an environment... you can't call it something it's not and then criticize it for not being that :-) |
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| 05:34.22 | Delph | Wyzard: the problem is that if GNOME continues taking over large lumps of application space, then there'll be a required dependency on so much cruft that systems become unusable without it. |
| 05:34.27 | BlackJudas | Delph, heh, thought about it. But I wouldn't be any good at coding something like memtest (which I think is a good mark to rate memory by) |
| 05:34.50 | Wyzard | karsten: GTK and GLib are an application design & support framework... GNOME builds on that with services that are meant to be used together |
| 05:35.10 | Wyzard | Delph: I hope not... I'd hate to see everything non-GNOME disappear |
| 05:35.19 | dondelelcaro | can the people who want to have it out about gnome and kde please have it out in #gnome-v-kde? |
| 05:35.23 | Delph | debian doesn't help this itself by refusing to supply non-GNOME versions of GTK apps |
| 05:35.24 | Guerin | Wyzard: anything should be easily configurable using command-line utilities. I say this because evolution's config is TOO COMPLICATED for many normal users to manage; meaning that their friends who want to help them can't do so remotely. |
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| 05:35.48 | dondelelcaro | Delph: so file wishlist bugs against those applications that you want to see compiled that way |
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| 05:36.02 | karsten | dondelelcaro: There's a point at which I think it does matter, even if you're only peripherally attached to it at all. As in fact, I am. I see stuff that's wrong, bad, broken, and leads down a widening trail of tears, I'll mention it. The response of the gnome community is pretty interesting IMO, and not in a heartening way. |
| 05:36.10 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ...but I'll stop shoving that down your throat now ;-) |
| 05:36.18 | dondelelcaro | Delph: there's no "Debian refusing" it's "maintainers deciding not to do it" or "maintainers not knowing that there's a demand for those apps" |
| 05:36.19 | Delph | dondelelcaro: given there's so many of them, it needs to be a more general thing |
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| 05:36.25 | Wyzard | Guerin: You can do that by using the command-line tool for editing data in GConf, though it's not as pretty as just opening a text file in an editor |
| 05:36.31 | dondelelcaro | Delph: not if there's no demand for the things, no. |
| 05:36.44 | Delph | dondelelcaro: the answer I tended to get is that the bugs just get ignored, or they're judged too much hassle to maintain. |
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| 05:37.05 | karsten | Wyzard: I _can_ understand 30+ years of Unix design philosphy and see when it's being corrupted in bad ways. |
| 05:37.08 | alus | how do I find out what package a file belongs to? |
| 05:37.12 | dondelelcaro | alus: dpkg -S |
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| 05:37.19 | simonrvn | didn't spam me, but i'm 90% sure Vfwhvpqq is a spam bot |
| 05:37.24 | Delph | which means that debian slowly evolves into ubuntu, with a overall dependency on GNOME |
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| 05:37.38 | dondelelcaro | Delph: well, then you have two options: 1) try to make it more clear what you want/desire 2) offer to help make it happen |
| 05:37.40 | karsten | Wyzard: Clearly, you're not going to see that point. I'd suggest you look over what I pointed you at, and for shits'n'grins, 'jeff waugh in his own words, an agony in seven fits'. |
| 05:37.51 | shingouz | no spam |
| 05:38.02 | Delph | dondelelcaro: which is what i'm doing here =:) Whenever it comes up in conversation I mention it. |
| 05:38.19 | dondelelcaro | Delph: no, not here. Offer to help the maintainer. |
| 05:38.21 | alus | dondelelcaro: it didn't find it, is it oke to use the full path? will it find a file if I point it at the symlink? |
| 05:38.26 | dondelelcaro | Delph: this is just the peanut gallery |
| 05:38.33 | dondelelcaro | alus: which file? |
| 05:38.36 | TwistedEmotions | What about shit's and giggles? I wana play? |
| 05:38.50 | Delph | dondelelcaro: equally, I currently am disinterested in the application because the application is gnome-only |
| 05:38.59 | Wyzard | Delph: Use of GNOME isn't something you just turn off when compiling an app... if the app is coded to use GNOME library stuff, it must be linked with those libraries |
| 05:39.01 | dondelelcaro | Delph: then what's the bgi deal? |
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| 05:39.20 | Delph | Wyzard: yes, it is. |
| 05:39.22 | TwistedEmotions | BlackJudas: Just kidding.. hehe |
| 05:39.23 | alus | dondelelcaro: /usr/lib/i686/mmx/cmov/libGL.so.1 |
| 05:39.26 | dondelelcaro | Delph: I mean, either you care enough to do the work, or you don't care enough, so it's no big deal. |
| 05:39.26 | conga | Every day a script kiddie is born - use condom. |
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| 05:39.33 | karsten | @ff TwistedEmotions |
| 05:39.34 | ravenbird | TwistedEmotions: fartfish |
| 05:39.39 | TwistedEmotions | What? |
| 05:39.39 | dondelelcaro | alus: hrm... that doesn't look like a debian package |
| 05:39.47 | dondelelcaro | !+find mmx/cmov/libGL |
| 05:39.47 | Wyzard | Delph: Some apps may support compiling without using GNOME stuff, but only because the app's maintainer took the time to separate out all use of GNOME stuff in that way |
| 05:39.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mmx/cmov/libGL' (4): (/usr/lib/i686/mmx/cmov/libGL.a) in libdevel/mesag-dev ;; (/usr/lib/i686/mmx/cmov/libGL.so) in devel/libgl1-mesa-glide3-dev,libdevel/mesag-dev ;; (/usr/lib/dbg/i686/mmx/cmov/{libGL.so|libGL.so.1|libGL.so.1.5.060201}) in libs/libgl1-mesa-dbg ;; (/usr/lib/i686/mmx/cmov/{libGL.so.1|libGL.so.1.5.060201}) in libs/libgl1-mesa-glide3,libs/mesag3. |
| 05:39.58 | TwistedEmotions | @ff? fartfish? |
| 05:40.01 | Delph | dondelelcaro: i'm more likely to build myself a package with the things turned off, and leave it at that. |
| 05:40.23 | alus | it's some mesa package, I just don't know which. I'm trying to submit a |
| 05:40.26 | karsten | Guerin: Touch WRT PoO. |
| 05:40.26 | alus | "report bug" ;) |
| 05:40.40 | dondelelcaro | alus: ah, it's in libgl1-mesa-glide3 or something |
| 05:40.45 | jazzmans | Okay, so I booted a kanotix disk on the sarge machine, and started xmms, (the same version 1.2.10) and the software has no problems either accessing all of my music, or playing it. What gives? any ideas? |
| 05:40.46 | Delph | Wyzard: even the ones where the upstream configuration file is seperated out that way don't have two packages. |
| 05:40.54 | Wyzard | Delph: There's no general across-the-board way to make an app that's coded to use GNOME build without GNOME... that's like trying to make frozen-bubble not depend on SDL, or something like that |
| 05:40.59 | dondelelcaro | Delph: *shrug* then the problem never gets fixed |
| 05:41.01 | alus | glide? I thought that was for voodoo cards |
| 05:41.03 | simonrvn | jazzmans: ENOCONTEXT |
| 05:41.13 | Wyzard | Delph: That's a separate issue, and something that you should file a wishlist bug about |
| 05:41.18 | dondelelcaro | alus: well, it could also be in mesag3. I think they conflict with eachother |
| 05:41.25 | Delph | bah |
| 05:41.28 | dondelelcaro | !conflicts mesag3 |
| 05:41.29 | jazzmans | simonrvn, dunno what that means, but I'll google it. |
| 05:41.32 | dpkg | mesag3: mesag3-glide, mesag3-glide2, mesag3+ggi, libgl1, nvidia-glx |
| 05:41.38 | BlackJudas | [troll]Sometimes, I think of you all as wonderfully knowledgable people with shitty online personalities. But now, I just read in awe on how hardcore someone can be over something so utterly insignificant and irrelevant. [/troll] |
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| 05:41.48 | BlackJudas | =D |
| 05:42.05 | alus | probably mesag3 |
| 05:42.18 | simonrvn | jazzmans: you won't find it. it means you need to give some context, as i certainly have no clue what you,re talking about, and i'm pretty sure most don't either |
| 05:42.25 | dondelelcaro | or at least, I *HOPE* they conflict with eachother |
| 05:42.34 | TwistedEmotions | BlackJudas: FUCK YOU! APT-GET *IS* THE BEST! |
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| 05:42.49 | jazzmans | simonrvn, scroll up, or here I"ll repost |
| 05:42.57 | jazzmans | lexxan; is anyone here having problems with xmms running sarge? 1.2.10 specifically. All of a sudden, I cannot load 80% of my music files, xmms stops at 5635 files (I have nearly 20k) |
| 05:43.06 | jazzmans | Okay, so I booted a kanotix disk on the sarge machine, and started xmms, (the same version 1.2.10) and the software has no problems either accessing all of my music, or playing it. What gives? any ideas? |
| 05:43.15 | dondelelcaro | jazzmans: if someone is, they'd be reported at bugs.debian.org/xmms |
| 05:43.17 | jazzmans | sorry for the flood. |
| 05:43.28 | jazzmans | dondelelcaro, already looked there, nothing similar. |
| 05:43.29 | karsten | !tell jazzmans about repeat |
| 05:43.32 | TwistedEmotions | jazzmans: XMMS hates you... |
| 05:43.41 | dondelelcaro | karsten: the repeat was specifically asked for, actually... |
| 05:43.44 | BlackJudas | TwistedEmotions, heh, I actually agree... but you have to run it gentoo-style... all bling-blinged out with extreme compiler optimizations.... only then, will the force be with you... |
| 05:43.46 | BlackJudas | :x |
| 05:43.51 | alus | oh, reportbug was nice enough to search based on the filename. it says xlibmesa-gl |
| 05:43.51 | dondelelcaro | jazzmans: do you have any ulimits set? |
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| 05:44.13 | jazzmans | karsten, I reposted due to a request. dondelelcaro, I don't know. :( what's a ulimit? |
| 05:44.26 | karsten | jazzmans: man ulimit |
| 05:44.33 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OK. jazzmans NM. |
| 05:44.44 | dondelelcaro | jazzmans: ulimit -a; and see if you have an open files limitation... also, it's possible that you're nearing the maximum number of open files. |
| 05:44.56 | TwistedEmotions | BlackJudas: I dont even know what you said... how the <BEEP> do you pimp out apt-get? This isnt pimp my distro... |
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| 05:45.26 | BlackJudas | TwistedEmotions, indeed, we're chillin' in the wrong channel. |
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| 05:45.28 | TwistedEmotions | BlackJudas: I mean how do you bling-bling out apt-get? |
| 05:45.39 | TwistedEmotions | BlackJudas: For sheez my neez.. |
| 05:46.08 | jazzmans | dondelelcaro, the open files shows (-n) 1024, but would this be different running sarge? (recall, on the affected machine I'm for testing purposes running a kanotix cd) |
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| 05:46.25 | dondelelcaro | jazzmans: yes |
| 05:46.37 | BlackJudas | Well you can add hydraulics and glow lights for starters, that will make it more attractive and appealing. |
| 05:46.44 | dondelelcaro | jazzmans: although, it's like that the default is 1024... |
| 05:46.57 | binarydigit_ | anyone know how i could rename all files in a directory with blah and then a number at the end that increases |
| 05:46.59 | jazzmans | so when I boot back to sarge, I need to check ulimit -a. ok. that's a start. |
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| 05:47.03 | dondelelcaro | binarydigit_: with rename |
| 05:47.09 | BlackJudas | Nehhooo it's bedtime thanks for the pokes about the benchmarking .. .i guess i shouldn't care, linux kicks ass by default ;) |
| 05:47.20 | kapa | moi |
| 05:47.20 | TwistedEmotions | poeple run kanoptix as a test run to debian? |
| 05:47.33 | dondelelcaro | rename 'BEGIN{$a=0;} $_=qq(blah_$a)' * |
| 05:47.36 | Wyzard | jazzmans: Open files is 1024 on my sid system |
| 05:47.38 | binarydigit_ | dondelelcaro: how does it go through the files, can i specify the sort order? |
| 05:47.44 | jazzmans | thnx Wyzard. |
| 05:47.45 | simonrvn | jazzmans: oh yeh. probably ulimit |
| 05:47.52 | dondelelcaro | binarydigit_: it goes in whatever order you tell it to go in |
| 05:48.01 | dondelelcaro | binarydigit_: use find, xargs, and sort if you want something funky. |
| 05:48.02 | binarydigit_ | i need to learn perl |
| 05:48.09 | Wyzard | jazzmans: coresize is 0, pipe size is 8, stacksize is 8192, the rest are unlimited |
| 05:48.15 | TwistedEmotions | I need to learn diamond. |
| 05:48.25 | Wyzard | I need to learn Haskell |
| 05:48.28 | simonrvn | i need to go to sleep soon |
| 05:48.28 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Since you asked, related Nautilus bugs: #182774 #230757 #241379 #286404 #90115 #229186 |
| 05:48.35 | stouset | Sweet. Etch just got released. |
| 05:48.37 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 90115 |
| 05:48.40 | jazzmans | Wyzard, the kanotix (sid) disk has the same ulimits. thnx. |
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| 05:49.01 | simonrvn | jazzmans: kernerl versions? |
| 05:49.04 | simonrvn | kernel* |
| 05:49.17 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Shaved yet? Im keeping track... your up to like 9 days.. |
| 05:49.25 | dpkg | #90115:W[nautilus] '--quit' should remove nautilus from GNOME's restart session list. Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:48:02 UTC |
| 05:49.51 | jazzmans | 2.6, dunno after that simonrvn, not running it at the moment. |
| 05:50.00 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Wrong. I' have an eternal 3-day shadow. |
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| 05:50.06 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Special blades. |
| 05:50.08 | dondelelcaro | karsten: quite a few of those are bugs without patches... |
| 05:50.28 | binarydigit_ | dondelelcaro: hey, that works except its not incrementing $a |
| 05:50.38 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ?? |
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| 05:51.30 | dondelelcaro | binarydigit_: rrr... it should have been $a++; $_=qq(bleh_$a); |
| 05:51.34 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: haha I know *Exactly* what you mean... as a kid my neighbor accused me of shaving her cat... and I hadn't even done it.. but damn I laughed hard when she came over with her cat. |
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| 05:51.43 | binarydigit_ | ah thanks |
| 05:52.06 | epsilon | question about exim4, sarge: the password in /etc/exim3/passwd.client need to be encrypted or just plain? |
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| 05:52.22 | stealth_ | hi folks |
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| 05:52.58 | stealth_ | which package should i use to connect my mobile phone to my computer?? |
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| 05:53.19 | phillipsjk | as a modem or camera? |
| 05:53.25 | TwistedEmotions | Is emix the most widely used mail agent? |
| 05:53.32 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: no. |
| 05:53.44 | TwistedEmotions | sendmail? |
| 05:53.51 | maher | TwistedEmotions: exim is probably more popular than emix |
| 05:54.03 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 05:54.06 | TwistedEmotions | Whooops. |
| 05:54.29 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: exim. |
| 05:54.43 | TwistedEmotions | TwistedEmotions: exim. |
| 05:54.53 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: exim, postfix, courier, seem to be popular. exim's the Debian default, prolly most common on that basis. |
| 05:54.56 | epsilon | .oO (echo) |
| 05:54.58 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: ...it's easy to set up. |
| 05:55.07 | epsilon | exim4 is easy? |
| 05:55.11 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: I run postfix.. |
| 05:55.23 | epsilon | I get fucking exim4-errors since days and I still dunno why |
| 05:55.28 | karsten | epsilon: ...almost as easy as TwistedEmotions |
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| 05:55.36 | and_ | i have compaq armada E500 and X.org 6.8.2-7 mousee driver is "mouse" device /dev/psaux protocol PS/2 .. when i tap on the touchpad instead of one klick it makes doubleclick .. how can i make it single click ? |
| 05:56.03 | maher | epsilon: what errors |
| 05:56.20 | TwistedEmotions | maher: Exim errors.. duhh.. read his comment. |
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| 05:58.11 | TwistedEmotions | Everyone shut up... or did someone use some kind of blind command on me? |
| 05:58.22 | simonrvn | fucking exim4-errors. that's what kind ;p |
| 05:58.31 | TwistedEmotions | There we go. |
| 05:58.48 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: You *know* what causes blindness. |
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| 05:59.07 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Sex with ugly women.. okay I'm guilty. |
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| 05:59.21 | epsilon | maher: 1. SMTP-AUTH isn't working. 2. "setrlimit(RLIMIT_NPROC) failed: Operation not permitted" in error logs |
| 05:59.58 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Told you I make an ugly chick. |
| 06:00.04 | epsilon | exim3 was way easier to setup, it just worked :/ |
| 06:00.12 | TwistedEmotions | epsilon: 1) Fix SMTP-AUTH... 2) Set a different limit. |
| 06:00.21 | epsilon | TwistedEmotions: -v |
| 06:00.56 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: Not when I closed my eyes... you were blond 5'11 and didnt have 3 tits.. |
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| 06:01.46 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: you had 4... that was great.. |
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| 06:02.40 | bykte | hey, i got symlinks problem i think |
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| 06:03.06 | bykte | science:~# iroffer ff |
| 06:03.06 | bykte | bash: /usr/bin/iroffer: No such file or directory |
| 06:03.07 | TwistedEmotions | bykte: great. I got money problems. |
| 06:03.10 | karsten | dondelelcaro: In my favorite "the user shouldn't have to provide additional arguments to bypass this sort of brain-dead coding" error, which I class Nautilus's desktop-out-of-GNOME behavior in: http://www.listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0110a&L=sas-l&F=&S=&P=15742 |
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| 06:03.24 | bykte | but science:~# /usr/local/bin/iroffer |
| 06:03.25 | bykte | works |
| 06:03.30 | bykte | how come? |
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| 06:03.38 | bykte | in my set there is /usr/local/bin/iroffer |
| 06:03.47 | bykte | PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin: |
| 06:03.57 | ircdevil | møjn |
| 06:04.04 | simonrvn | uh. is that an exact paste? |
| 06:04.19 | TwistedEmotions | I hope MSIE doesnt stand for Microsoft Internet Explorer in #debian.. |
| 06:04.26 | karsten | ircdevil: Does /usr/bin/iroffer exist? Is it executable? |
| 06:04.35 | bykte | karsten no |
| 06:04.37 | bykte | it doesnt exist |
| 06:04.43 | karsten | bykte: That could explain it. |
| 06:04.43 | bykte | but it exist in /usr/local/bin/ |
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| 06:04.51 | karsten | bykte: 'hash -r' |
| 06:04.52 | ircdevil | karsten: eeeh, i dont have one |
| 06:04.54 | karsten | bykte: ...then retry. |
| 06:04.57 | stealth_ | ops... |
| 06:05.00 | TwistedEmotions | http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com/ <<-- when you search MSIE on yahoo.com is the 4th link. |
| 06:05.08 | bykte | say |
| 06:05.09 | bykte | it worked |
| 06:05.19 | bykte | man hash time |
| 06:05.26 | phillipsjk | TwistedEmotions it stands for "MicroSoft Is Everywhere!" |
| 06:05.43 | bykte | karsten, no man for hash |
| 06:05.44 | bykte | lol |
| 06:06.03 | karsten | bykte: It's a shell builtin. |
| 06:06.08 | stealth_ | does somebody know a software for mobile phone serial communication? |
| 06:06.10 | simonrvn | help hash |
| 06:06.15 | karsten | bykte: It rehashes your command search path. |
| 06:06.20 | TwistedEmotions | phillipsjk: I hate your chipsets.. |
| 06:06.35 | karsten | bykte: If you'd had /usr/bin/foo and deleted it, it will be in the shell's path hash. rehashing clears it. |
| 06:06.38 | bykte | ok thanks karsten and simonrvn |
| 06:06.38 | simonrvn | hash help - not your average pressed pot gum and bud ;p |
| 06:06.46 | Moonscope | need help with Spamassassin: here is the error: connect(AF_INET) to spamd at 127.0.0.1 failed |
| 06:06.50 | jm_ | stealth: gnokii |
| 06:07.01 | simonrvn | Moonscope: means spamd isn't running |
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| 06:07.42 | Moonscope | /etc/init.d/spamd start |
| 06:07.43 | Moonscope | Starting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: (null) already running. |
| 06:07.46 | Moonscope | it is :( |
| 06:08.15 | simonrvn | then it isn't listening on 127.0.0.1:783, or it's bullshit |
| 06:08.27 | Moonscope | although it isnt in ps -fax | grep spam |
| 06:08.34 | maher | Moonscope: netstat -pant will tell you if its listening |
| 06:08.37 | simonrvn | then it isn't running |
| 06:09.15 | karsten | bykte: Better? |
| 06:09.16 | simonrvn | does pidof spamd spit out anything? |
| 06:09.31 | Moonscope | 16712 16711 16710 16709 16708 16707 |
| 06:09.54 | simonrvn | could be wedged... stop, start it |
| 06:10.09 | Moonscope | should i kill those processes? |
| 06:10.22 | simonrvn | stop it with the init script first |
| 06:10.28 | simonrvn | (or try to) |
| 06:10.42 | Moonscope | ok, that cleared them |
| 06:10.58 | simonrvn | ok, start it, then do the netstat thing |
| 06:11.06 | Moonscope | nothing :( |
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| 06:11.14 | simonrvn | give it a few secs |
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| 06:11.38 | Moonscope | it says "tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:783 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 16793/" but it should have a 'spamd' after the / |
| 06:11.48 | Moonscope | cause thats the port it is lisening on. |
| 06:11.52 | simonrvn | my copy take about 15 secs to get to full speed and spawn children (i have a lot of rules) |
| 06:12.00 | Moonscope | ahh, ok |
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| 06:12.31 | simonrvn | only if you specify -p in netstat (and only if running under uid 0) |
| 06:12.35 | fjfjf | any stats about the q asked here? e.g. which is the most f.a.q? |
| 06:12.50 | simonrvn | fjfjf: check the faq |
| 06:13.07 | Moonscope | hmm, well there are others there that have the program name... |
| 06:13.17 | Moonscope | e.g. spamc tcp 0 1 127.0.0.1:33375 127.0.0.1:783 SYN_SENT 16748/spamc |
| 06:13.28 | fjfjf | simonrvn, this must be the most frequently used answer. |
| 06:13.49 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 06:13.56 | Moonscope | fjfjf: or rtfm |
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| 06:14.07 | jazzmans | ok, for those of you who are following my story; I'm booted back into sarge, ulimit -a doesn't show anything weird. open files shows (-n)1024 |
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| 06:14.10 | fjfjf | and you must be the most stupid guy around. |
| 06:14.14 | simonrvn | Moonscope: means spamc sent a SYN packet to spamd |
| 06:14.16 | fjfjf | yes too? |
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| 06:14.30 | simonrvn | fjfjf: and you're troll. welcome to /ignore |
| 06:14.33 | simonrvn | a |
| 06:14.39 | Moonscope | simonrvn: yeah, realised that, but it is showing the spamc part @ the end, but there is no spamd ones there. |
| 06:14.44 | Moonscope | might reinstall it maybe? |
| 06:14.56 | CroatianNinja | !dvd |
| 06:14.56 | dpkg | it has been said that dvd is use xine or ogle to play video DVDs |
| 06:15.04 | fjfjf | simonrvn, play on, man. |
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| 06:15.20 | simonrvn | nah, check your /etc/default file, then see what buggers up |
| 06:15.28 | simonrvn | gotta go to sleep |
| 06:15.34 | simonrvn | good luck |
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| 06:15.55 | Moonscope | thanks |
| 06:16.26 | CroatianNinja | i am having trouble mounting a newer dvd |
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| 06:16.34 | CroatianNinja | how do i make it work? |
| 06:16.50 | jazzmans | the same thing is occuring (i.e. xmms will only recognize 5635 of my 20k files) where should I begin to search now that I'm fairly certain it isn't a hdd failure? |
| 06:16.51 | fjfjf | CroatianNinja, mount it, and play it. |
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| 06:17.17 | CroatianNinja | fjfjf, what kind of file system is a dvd |
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| 06:18.51 | CroatianNinja | hello? |
| 06:19.03 | Guerin | CroatianNinja: either udf or iso9660 |
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| 06:19.13 | CroatianNinja | ok thanks |
| 06:19.16 | fjfjf | CroatianNinja, what is this newer kind of dvd? |
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| 06:19.25 | fjfjf | new in what sense? |
| 06:19.28 | Guerin | karsten: PoO? |
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| 06:19.42 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone seen Mac OS X Tiger in action here? sounds nice... not that I would ever go back to a mac... but still.. |
| 06:19.53 | fjfjf | newly bought, or new technology? |
| 06:19.53 | CroatianNinja | it just came out |
| 06:19.58 | jerware | so in sum, a subnet is a portion of a network, that portion being devided through routers? and the subnet id is calculated based on the subnet mask, # of hosts and networks? |
| 06:20.02 | BISS-Merlin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.03 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: if youn want mac porn, there are plenty of screenies out there |
| 06:20.05 | jerware | hyellow ! |
| 06:20.10 | CroatianNinja | the life aquatic |
| 06:20.11 | fjfjf | which brand? |
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| 06:20.20 | Guerin | !tell DeFi|Offline about away |
| 06:20.29 | CroatianNinja | BISS-Merlin, add that to fstab? |
| 06:20.36 | BISS-Merlin | yes, i do |
| 06:20.37 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: No.. I dont want their desktop.. I was wondering about performance.. |
| 06:20.51 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: not aas good as openbox, I bet. |
| 06:21.01 | BISS-Merlin | i just create a mountpoint for the dvd and set it to iso9660 |
| 06:21.23 | BISS-Merlin | *should work |
| 06:21.49 | fjfjf | CroatianNinja, in KDE, select Create New Device->dvd-rom |
| 06:21.53 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I'm guessing not... but steve jobs put on a preety badass presentation.. was reading about it.. wanted to know if anyone had seen the OS |
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| 06:22.35 | BISS-Merlin | can proc be remounted without a reboot? |
| 06:22.40 | Guerin | yes |
| 06:22.42 | karsten | BISS-Merlin: Yes. |
| 06:22.45 | BISS-Merlin | ahh, ok, thanks |
| 06:22.46 | karsten | BISS-Merlin: Multiple times, in fact. |
| 06:22.56 | BISS-Merlin | i have a /pts problem.... its just adding up and keeping online users |
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| 06:23.03 | BISS-Merlin | even though the pts and process'es are dead |
| 06:23.09 | BISS-Merlin | so i figure remounting proc is the only choice |
| 06:23.12 | ricochet | what is that www-browser thing debian has? sensible-browser or something? |
| 06:23.15 | BISS-Merlin | :) |
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| 06:23.38 | concept10 | TwistedEmotions: my sister has tiger on her laptop, its very nice. She almost flipped out when I put a Ubuntu live cd on there |
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| 06:23.49 | fjfjf | ricochet, konqueror. |
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| 06:23.52 | TwistedEmotions | ricochet: Text based browser.. for computers without GUI... |
| 06:24.09 | TwistedEmotions | concept10: hahahha you format? |
| 06:24.10 | ricochet | nono, the default browser thing |
| 06:24.17 | BISS-Merlin | richochet... is that better than lynx? |
| 06:24.43 | BISS-Merlin | in terms of console browsers... |
| 06:25.05 | concept10 | TwistedEmotions: no just ran the live cd, she was like why do I need this? She has been a mac user forever - she is in tv and film |
| 06:25.25 | ricochet | huh? I'm not talking about a console browser.. its some debian package so that your programs pick the right default browser |
| 06:25.27 | jdrake | I am trying to boot either the unofficial snapshot image of the amd64 installer business card cd or the larger 66mb version. The larger version does not boot at all, the mini one seems boot but fails with a read error off of my cdrom. Is there any way to get this thing to boot off of a firewire dvd drive I have or other option? |
| 06:25.31 | TwistedEmotions | Why couldnt they make mac os x a linux window feature... like FCE4..? |
| 06:26.13 | TwistedEmotions | concept10: Haha... why did she need it? You just didn't want to use her OS? |
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| 06:26.55 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 06:27.08 | TwistedEmotions | I been thinking about buying a mac and formating with debian.. they have better hardware then PC... |
| 06:27.13 | concept10 | TwistedEmotions: I just wanted to mess around with a mac, I never booted linux on PPC |
| 06:27.15 | ricochet | karsten: you look familiar... what is the debian browser package that lets you pick your default browser? |
| 06:27.22 | TwistedEmotions | concept10: Ahhhh... |
| 06:27.53 | fjfjf | seriously, how to create a bootable debian installation cdrom? |
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| 06:28.32 | streuner | heh |
| 06:28.42 | CroatianNinja | i get a No medium found error when i try to mount a dvd as -t iso9660 or udf to /dvd |
| 06:28.44 | fjfjf | heh |
| 06:28.49 | ricochet | streuner!, see above msg for karsten from me |
| 06:29.12 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.24 | streuner | !d-i fjfjf |
| 06:29.25 | dpkg | fjfjf, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 06:29.26 | Guerin | grr, how to I tell how many columnsxrows my console is? |
| 06:29.45 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: that's some serious $$ |
| 06:29.51 | jm_ | Guerin: stty |
| 06:30.03 | jm_ | use -a switch |
| 06:30.04 | Guerin | jm_: you are the konsole king |
| 06:30.18 | fjfjf | dpkg, you should go to hell, also for the good of everyone else. |
| 06:30.27 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Sooo true... but nice to dream about... bet you could boot debian in like 7 seconds.. |
| 06:30.28 | ricochet | Guerin, can you help me with finding this package? see above |
| 06:30.57 | TwistedEmotions | I would restart after every command just because I could.. |
| 06:31.00 | freewoody | I am having some problems while sending mail from Exim to other domains like Yahoo and Hotmail |
| 06:31.00 | Guerin | ricochet: man update-alternatives |
| 06:31.01 | CroatianNinja | and ideas about mount a new realse dvd movie? |
| 06:31.04 | fjfjf | dpkg, go back to the hole where you first came out of. |
| 06:31.21 | CroatianNinja | any* how to* |
| 06:31.48 | Guerin | fjfjf: congratulations, you just lost your temper at a bot. how does it feel to be this stupid? |
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| 06:32.30 | bykte | lol |
| 06:32.34 | bykte | yeah pretty stupid |
| 06:32.35 | bykte | lol |
| 06:32.41 | TwistedEmotions | !lol |
| 06:32.41 | fjfjf | a bot has a human behind it, i am getting at the behind of the human. |
| 06:32.41 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. |
| 06:32.42 | streuner | haha |
| 06:32.53 | bykte | oh really |
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| 06:32.58 | bykte | stop defending yourself |
| 06:33.09 | fjfjf | lol |
| 06:33.12 | TwistedEmotions | !lol |
| 06:33.12 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. |
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| 06:34.17 | freewoody | So what could be the problem with Exim not sending mails to Hotmail and Yahoo |
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| 06:34.23 | ircdevil | i just compiled a kernel with usb printer support as a modules, now i cant locate it in modconf - these ncurses menus need a seach function (also menuconfig!) |
| 06:34.29 | freewoody | I can send mails to my own domain |
| 06:34.45 | fjfjf | Guerin, have i got you on your behind? |
| 06:35.12 | Guerin | fjfjf: not that I'm aware of |
| 06:35.12 | Chris62vw | how do I change my resolution in X? I'm running sarge and edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 but the changes didn't seem to take, after restarting X |
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| 06:35.23 | Guerin | freewoody: what do the logs say? |
| 06:35.34 | Guerin | mta logs are typically unambiguous |
| 06:35.52 | Guerin | Chris62vw: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 06:35.53 | binarydigit_ | does the rename command support backreferencing |
| 06:35.58 | Chris62vw | thanks Guerin |
| 06:35.58 | Guerin | Chris62vw: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 06:36.00 | ircdevil | should be under kernel/drivers/usb not? |
| 06:36.31 | CroatianNinja | !playing dvd |
| 06:36.39 | fjfjf | !d-i, streuner |
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| 06:37.04 | stouset | Chris62vw: Actually, you can do it in GNOME if you're using it. |
| 06:37.08 | fjfjf | Guerin, that's cool! |
| 06:37.43 | streuner | fjfjf: Don't spam the people here! |
| 06:37.45 | ircdevil | usb printing module does not show up in modconf, eventhou it is compiled as a module in the kernel - what am i missing? |
| 06:38.04 | stouset | ircdevil: Are you using a Debian stock kernel? |
| 06:38.12 | fjfjf | streuner, i like the folks here. |
| 06:38.12 | ircdevil | stouset: home-made |
| 06:38.20 | stouset | ircdevil: Any particular reason? |
| 06:38.29 | streuner | fjfjf: Iam only 5 minutes here, but you act like a moron |
| 06:38.29 | Chris62vw | stouset, fluxbox :-) |
| 06:38.44 | ircdevil | stouset: i am not using precompiled kernels - that is silly |
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| 06:39.13 | fjfjf | seriously, i am talking about making a bootable copy of my installation. how to proceed? |
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| 06:39.33 | fjfjf | streuner, don't be an idiot. |
| 06:39.36 | blake__ | hellow |
| 06:39.59 | stouset | ircdevil: Compiling your own kernel is silly unless you have a compelling reason. |
| 06:40.18 | fjfjf | it will require more than one cdrom, about 4GB. |
| 06:40.36 | blake__ | whatis the ke default pasword when you instll it as second gooy |
| 06:40.43 | blake__ | kde* |
| 06:40.47 | Phated | Heh... the behind of the human... |
| 06:40.55 | fjfjf | Guerin, the guru, any help? |
| 06:41.03 | stouset | blake__: For what account? |
| 06:41.13 | ircdevil | stouset: i am compiling my own kernels in order to get this multitude of more or less special hardware working. anyhows, everybody will eventually end up compiling their own kernels - they should do so, anyway. |
| 06:41.25 | blake__ | any acount |
| 06:41.25 | stouset | ircdevil: They should? Why? |
| 06:41.34 | stouset | ircdevil: What benefit could it possibly given them? |
| 06:41.34 | blake__ | i just want to get into kde |
| 06:41.51 | stouset | ircdevil: And, if you're using special hardware that's supported by the kernel drivers anyways, what's the point? |
| 06:42.03 | stouset | ircdevil: It's not like you're compiling them in. They're already in as modules. |
| 06:42.10 | Guerin | fjfjf: hahaha |
| 06:42.24 | stouset | ircdevil: Give me one good reason to compile your own kernel. Especially considering it's already given you one problem. |
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| 06:42.47 | ircdevil | stouset: there is only 2.4 kernel in woody |
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| 06:43.02 | ircdevil | tuché |
| 06:43.02 | Guerin | fjfjf: look up a guide to making a knoppix cd. You'll have to back down from your 4GB thing, though, unless you want to run it off a dvd. |
| 06:43.03 | stouset | ircdevil: Because Woody is supposed to be stable. |
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| 06:43.24 | sikocb | hey... |
| 06:43.31 | stouset | ircdevil: If you're all that concerned, there are kernel backports for Woody, AFAIK. |
| 06:43.44 | Guerin | woody doesn't play nice with 2.6, since 2.6 kernels were but a twinkle in linus's eye when woody was released |
| 06:43.58 | Alja | I just wonder does any of you guy makes partition images (something like norton ghost in winz)? |
| 06:44.02 | Guerin | if you really want one, /msg dpkg bunk |
| 06:44.03 | fjfjf | Guerin, can't i use more than one cdrom, debian does that. |
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| 06:44.15 | mousex | hi, there~ |
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| 06:44.22 | stouset | Guerin: Are there backports of 2.6 for Woody? I think there are, but can't check ATM. |
| 06:44.28 | Chris62vw | thanks Guerin. I changed to an LCD screen tonight and the resolution wouldn't go above 1024x768 :-) |
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| 06:44.39 | Guerin | fjfjf: debian uses packages. I presume you have made some config changes? |
| 06:44.49 | Alja | I just use sarge woody is too outdated |
| 06:44.49 | Guerin | stouset: yeah, plenty of them. |
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| 06:44.58 | stouset | Hm, is there any way to search dpkg (the bot)? |
| 06:45.14 | Guerin | stouset: /msg dpkg help |
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| 06:45.21 | streuner | stouset: /msg dpkg find foo |
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| 06:45.30 | fjfjf | Guerin, what about making a bit image backup of a partition? no such thing? |
| 06:45.31 | Guerin | well, that finds packages |
| 06:45.31 | streuner | stouset: /msg dpkg listkeys (listvals) |
| 06:45.39 | Guerin | listkeys and listvals find factoids |
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| 06:46.08 | mousex | I just did a dist-upgrade, and now my KDE sessions freeze -- they get stuck in the "Loading system services" part. Anyone else having this problem, or is it just me? |
| 06:46.12 | Guerin | fjfjf: look into knoppix remastering. they care about this sort of shit, so they maintain the tools; debian doesn't. |
| 06:46.27 | mousex | |
| 06:46.31 | streuner | apart of #debian-boot ;-) |
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| 06:46.57 | mousex | :( |
| 06:47.14 | fjfjf | Guerin, here's a piece of shit on a silver platter. thks. |
| 06:47.32 | freewoody | Can somebody tell me what this means in Exim Mail Server => Delay reason: No route to host |
| 06:47.35 | bykte | what a disgrace to my country |
| 06:47.46 | bykte | Guerin sorry about that |
| 06:47.50 | mousex | can't find the mail server |
| 06:48.15 | freewoody | Well I can send mails to my own domain though |
| 06:48.16 | stouset | How do you add factoids to dpkg? :-) Or is that a mod-only ability? |
| 06:48.27 | streuner | heh |
| 06:48.43 | mousex | do you get the message only for a particular domain[A |
| 06:48.44 | IDC | anyone here use mutt ? pls i have a question about the sender alias |
| 06:48.49 | streuner | stouset: the usual way you always add a factoid to db? |
| 06:48.50 | stouset | freewoody: Exactly what it says. That host cannot be reached from your location on the Internet. |
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| 06:49.05 | stouset | streuner: Which would be...? |
| 06:49.12 | freewoody | Well I am using this chatroom from my computer |
| 06:49.22 | cafuego | !room |
| 06:49.22 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 06:49.26 | streuner | stouset: /msg dpkg foo is <reply> foo blah blah |
| 06:49.27 | gurubie | I'm trying to move a Sid build rieserfs partition to a part on a new drive and I'm getting errs. I normaly "cp -ax / /newpart". What do I do differnt with rieser? Should I revert to ext3 or XFS (doing MythTV) instead? |
| 06:49.46 | cafuego | gurubie: use ext3 |
| 06:49.47 | stouset | Gotcha, thanks |
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| 06:50.18 | IDC | In mutt i have to type in my_hdr From: mypreferred@domain.com everytime after log out mutt and log back in,or,the sender alisa goes back to default |
| 06:50.18 | mousex | freewoody: it's not a problem with your internet connection, but rather reaching a particular mail server |
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| 06:50.18 | IDC | any idea ? |
| 06:50.18 | freewoody | Well I get the messages for all domains except my own domain |
| 06:50.19 | jm_ | you can put my_hdr in .muttrc |
| 06:50.20 | IDC | by default,if i was root,it will be root@domain.com,as normal user it will be user@domain.com |
| 06:50.24 | mousex | freewoody: there you go; missconfiguration |
| 06:50.27 | mousex | mis |
| 06:50.32 | mousex | not miss |
| 06:50.38 | IDC | jm_, Thanks,i just didnt find that config file :) |
| 06:50.43 | jm_ | IDC: man muttrc |
| 06:50.48 | cafuego | miss configuration, i think i dated her in the 80s |
| 06:50.48 | IDC | ok |
| 06:50.57 | mousex | :) |
| 06:51.00 | freewoody | Well how do I configure it correctly |
| 06:51.02 | gurubie | cafuego, u just like? or I can cp to it easier? or rieser has prob? Ext3 safer bet? what? |
| 06:51.19 | mousex | freewoody: run dpkg-reconfigure exim4 again |
| 06:51.20 | freewoody | But I don't understand why mails are going to our own domains though |
| 06:51.32 | cafuego | gurubie: yes |
| 06:51.40 | mousex | freewoody: your own domain is local, probably |
| 06:51.56 | mousex | so your computer knows its way to that domain |
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| 06:52.23 | freewoody | Well I am using a class C IP Address |
| 06:52.31 | gurubie | cafuego, Is my cp method OK? |
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| 06:52.40 | freewoody | Do I have to create a MX record to send mails using my own SMTP Server |
| 06:52.43 | cafuego | gurubie: cp -a foo bar |
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| 06:53.04 | mousex | freewoody: MX records aren't for sending |
| 06:53.11 | gurubie | cafuego, What would you do? |
| 06:53.18 | mousex | freewoody: all you need is to configure exim to send mail externally |
| 06:53.33 | freewoody | Will dpkg-reconfigure exim4 solve the problem ? |
| 06:53.37 | mousex | freewoody: dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 06:53.53 | mousex | It will walk you through the installation again |
| 06:54.03 | mousex | And now you can select the right type of mail system |
| 06:54.06 | freewoody | Sure thanks |
| 06:54.15 | mousex | yup |
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| 06:55.25 | epsilon | in exim4, what do "server-side auth" and "client-side auth" mean? |
| 06:55.26 | mousex | anyone using kde and also having problems with the newest version on sid . . . |
| 06:55.26 | stouset | mousex: Check the BTS |
| 06:55.36 | gurubie | mousex, I didn't today but i pinned a bunch of things back |
| 06:55.38 | freewoody | I am seeing /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim is broken or not fully installed |
| 06:55.47 | mousex | stouset, where do I find the bugs reports for kde[A. |
| 06:55.50 | stouset | freewoody: dpkg --configure -a |
| 06:55.56 | stouset | !bts |
| 06:55.56 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 06:56.01 | mousex | [A? |
| 06:56.03 | gurubie | mousex, Do you use apt-listbugs? |
| 06:56.33 | mousex | gurubie, no, what's that> |
| 06:56.42 | mousex | !apt-listbugs |
| 06:56.42 | dpkg | apt-listbugs is, like, a tool currently specific to sid that queries the BTS (/msg apt bts) for known bugs pertaining to packages you try to install... if you then find the bugs to be serious enough, you may choose to hold the old package untill you know the bug is fixed (/msg apt hold) ... to get it, simply "apt-get install apt-listbugs", its a must have tool for all sid users! |
| 06:57.09 | mousex | uh, interesting! |
| 06:57.15 | freewoody | Which version of Exim should I use ? |
| 06:57.27 | epsilon | in woody exim3, sarge exim4 |
| 06:57.31 | mousex | freewoody: whichever has less bugs . . . |
| 06:57.39 | mousex | :) |
| 06:57.40 | gurubie | dpkg apt-listbugs |
| 06:57.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-listbugs is a tool currently specific to sid that queries the BTS (/msg apt bts) for known bugs pertaining to packages you try to install... if you then find the bugs to be serious enough, you may choose to hold the old package untill you know the bug is fixed (/msg apt hold) ... to get it, simply "apt-get install apt-listbugs", its a must have tool for all sid users! |
| 06:58.14 | gurubie | ...and hit "p" to pin em' baby! |
| 06:58.16 | freewoody | mousex, I don't the configuration menu after typing: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 06:58.17 | mousex | how do I exit xchat-text?! |
| 06:58.20 | epsilon | but switching exim3 -> 4 is little... wired |
| 06:58.27 | mousex | ctrl+c doesn't work |
| 06:58.33 | epsilon | /quit |
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| 06:58.53 | epsilon | worked :P |
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| 06:59.51 | IDC | I have another/last question about mutt on debian, the alias worked ,but it always add Co-Admin to webmaster@domain.com in any email sent out |
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| 07:00.06 | freewoody | mousex , I have both Exim 3.36 and 4.5 installed on my system right now, should I remove one of them ? |
| 07:00.11 | IDC | Here Co-Admin was created during debian installation for the normal user account |
| 07:00.27 | IDC | how do i change that in Debian ? or/maybe can do a trick in mutt |
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| 07:01.00 | stouset | Mornin', Karsten. |
| 07:01.23 | IDC | I have created a normal account in debian,the nick for it is Co-Admin <this is not the login account name though> |
| 07:01.41 | IDC | now mutt always attach that nick to any outgoing emails |
| 07:01.44 | gurubie | So is rieser generally frowned upon with Debian? Does one always have to manually "rebuild" rieser or something when cp part to part? |
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| 07:02.12 | jm_ | IDC: you sure it's mutt? |
| 07:02.42 | IDC | jm_, or it's debian thing,i heard mutt reads from /etc/aliases |
| 07:02.56 | gurubie | My understanding is it's faster and the bugs are worked out. It that severly incorrect? |
| 07:02.56 | IDC | but from there i checked there isn't a 'Co-admin' in the file |
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| 07:03.07 | freewoody | How do I remove Exim 3.36 and install Exim 4.5 |
| 07:03.15 | jm_ | IDC: grep -i admin /etc/Muttrc |
| 07:03.17 | jshriver | greetings :) |
| 07:03.17 | IDC | freewoody, apt-get install exim4 |
| 07:03.29 | IDC | freewoody, it will auto remove the current exim3 |
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| 07:03.42 | epsilon | when does exim act as "client"? |
| 07:03.43 | jshriver | Anyone know how to get the java plugin for Firefox working under Debian 3.0 Sarge? |
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| 07:03.45 | epsilon | exim4 |
| 07:03.56 | hayden | would X run on a 350mhz with 64mb ram? |
| 07:04.01 | jshriver | aye |
| 07:04.05 | IDC | jm_, it returns nothing |
| 07:04.12 | jshriver | I've ran X on a 66mhz before with 8 megs of ram |
| 07:04.19 | jshriver | it's the WM that can cause problems... |
| 07:04.23 | hayden | yea |
| 07:04.32 | hayden | could any WMs run on that? |
| 07:04.39 | jshriver | KDE or Gnome might not work.. but something like window maker perhaps |
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| 07:04.45 | pureone | fluxbox |
| 07:04.51 | karsten | hayden: yes, it will run. Or walk or crawl. |
| 07:04.55 | gurubie | The sites I've found on rieserfs are academic and not much real world help. Can you recomend a site that spells the ext3,rieser,XFS stuff out? |
| 07:05.01 | epsilon | hayden: you may need little more ram for smooth working with gnome/kde |
| 07:05.04 | karsten | hayden: *box, icewm, wmaker.... |
| 07:05.07 | hayden | yea |
| 07:05.14 | hayden | xfce? |
| 07:05.16 | epsilon | fvwm |
| 07:05.18 | karsten | epsilon: s/may/will/ /little more/lot more/ |
| 07:05.25 | jshriver | gurubie: nice questions.. if you find out let me know too.. I use reiserfs and it seems nice, but I dont know much about the difference |
| 07:05.25 | Alja | xfce4 rocks |
| 07:05.32 | karsten | hayden: xfce might work, but I think it'll drag. |
| 07:05.32 | gurubie | dpkg rieserfs |
| 07:05.36 | karsten | epsilon: Point. |
| 07:05.54 | freewoody | But I can't access dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 07:06.00 | epsilon | still the question, when doies exim4 act as client? |
| 07:06.02 | jshriver | gurubie: if you want some info... I just read the "help" part in the linux kernel when doing make menuconfig |
| 07:06.03 | karsten | freewoody: As root |
| 07:06.10 | freewoody | Yes as root |
| 07:06.12 | hayden | karsten: ok |
| 07:06.23 | epsilon | freewoody: just installed exim4 in sarge sth? |
| 07:06.37 | freewoody | Yes in Sarge |
| 07:06.40 | hayden | karsten: so command-line would be best in my case? lol |
| 07:06.49 | Phated | freewoody: If you want to reconfigure exim4, try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config. |
| 07:06.55 | karsten | hayden: Generally. |
| 07:06.57 | freewoody | dpkg-reconfigure: exim is broken or not fully installed |
| 07:07.08 | gurubie | Shoot! It's reiserfs, now I have it, "e" before "i". THanks jshriver. |
| 07:07.24 | jshriver | heh |
| 07:07.25 | jshriver | np |
| 07:07.28 | epsilon | freewoody: similar prob here, I solved the dependency problem with 1st install exim4-config, then the other exim4 packages |
| 07:07.30 | gurubie | dpkg reiserfs |
| 07:07.30 | dpkg | [reiserfs] a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 07:07.54 | gurubie | dpkg xfs |
| 07:07.54 | dpkg | somebody said xfs was the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. check out http://people.debian.org/~blade/XFS-Install/ if you want to install woody with XFS support, or more ISOs are at ... |
| 07:07.57 | freewoody | Which configuration should I select in Exim ? |
| 07:08.03 | epsilon | freewoody: I had exactly the same prob, uninstall all and install exim4-config first |
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| 07:08.19 | epsilon | freewoody: whatever how you use it |
| 07:08.34 | freewoody | Hum, I want to use my Server as the SMTP for my clients |
| 07:08.42 | epsilon | with own domain etc? |
| 07:08.49 | epsilon | on server in internet? |
| 07:08.50 | freewoody | Yes with our own domain |
| 07:08.59 | freewoody | Yes exactly |
| 07:09.04 | epsilon | option 1, then enter your domain, ip |
| 07:09.25 | freewoody | Then what about the System mail name |
| 07:09.31 | gurubie | Has anyone had a bad experience copying from a reiserfs partition to ext3 or XFS? |
| 07:09.37 | freewoody | Should I enter my machine's hostname or our domain name |
| 07:09.39 | epsilon | to use SMTP auth, edit the passwd file, then configure SMPT-AUTH and TLS section in the config file(s) |
| 07:09.40 | jshriver | I haven't |
| 07:09.58 | jshriver | I think the fs overall is about performance depending on the needs of the system.. |
| 07:10.03 | epsilon | freewoody: if you want to send with both hostnames, both |
| 07:10.12 | jshriver | things like cp, mv etc.. really dont matter when going from one fs to another |
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| 07:10.48 | epsilon | freewoody: the domain resolves to that exim-sever, I guess? |
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| 07:10.59 | freewoody | Should I give the IP Address of my machine |
| 07:10.59 | gurubie | Anyone using MythTV in Debian? |
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| 07:11.22 | epsilon | freewoody: yes |
| 07:11.38 | gurubie | jshriver, I shouldn't think so, thanks. |
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| 07:11.48 | freewoody | What are Domains for relay mail for: ? |
| 07:12.06 | karsten | freewoody: Nothing you need to worry about in all likelihood. |
| 07:12.22 | karsten | freewoody: If you handle mail for other domains, you'd enter them there. |
| 07:12.22 | freewoody | Should I leave it blank |
| 07:12.29 | epsilon | if you use the server as mail-relay. dangerous and you probably don't need it - if you send mails via SMTP-AUTH |
| 07:12.38 | gurubie | jshriver, Seem I remember coping form ext3 to reiserfs and having to rebuild the tree or somthing, though. |
| 07:12.40 | freewoody | Oh I see |
| 07:12.54 | jshriver | *shrug* not sure what you mean by building a tree.. |
| 07:12.55 | karsten | freewoody: Yes. |
| 07:12.58 | karsten | freewoody: ...blank. |
| 07:13.01 | freewoody | Well I just want this machine to be a gateway Mail Server for our |
| 07:13.05 | epsilon | freewoody: one wron config there and your box is open mail-relay and abused for spams |
| 07:13.16 | karsten | freewoody: Freestanding Internet delivery using smarthost |
| 07:13.20 | toresbe | rm /dev/null |
| 07:13.25 | karsten | freewoody: ...Maybe. |
| 07:13.27 | toresbe | ln -s /dev/lp0 /dev/null |
| 07:13.29 | freewoody | What are: Machines to relay mail for ? |
| 07:13.40 | jshriver | just mkfs.reiser *think* the partition, it does it's thing, then just mount it :) other than that there shouldn't be any specifics to using it like you would any other OS... |
| 07:13.40 | karsten | freewoody: IPs or hostnames on your local LAN> |
| 07:13.41 | epsilon | same |
| 07:13.46 | freewoody | Should I enter the IP Addresses of the machines in our network |
| 07:13.50 | epsilon | no |
| 07:13.56 | epsilon | you send via SMTP-Auth |
| 07:13.57 | jshriver | ./s/OS/fs |
| 07:13.57 | karsten | freewoody: How about you read the fucking docs. |
| 07:14.15 | freewoody | Well our clients will be using Dial-Up to send mails through this SMTP Server |
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| 07:14.44 | gurubie | jshriver, I have heard with XFS, one should have a ext3 boot dir first. |
| 07:14.46 | epsilon | freewoody: with ther mailclient using SMTP? |
| 07:14.54 | karsten | gurubie: Yes. |
| 07:15.00 | jshriver | aye.. |
| 07:15.03 | karsten | gurubie: GRUB doesn't like XFS. |
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| 07:15.14 | jshriver | I dont think lilo or grub support XFS. though I might be mistaken |
| 07:15.22 | streuner | heh |
| 07:15.29 | streuner | wrong |
| 07:15.31 | infinity1 | speaking of grub. whats the status of grub2? |
| 07:15.49 | epsilon | same as hurd |
| 07:16.03 | epsilon | (and sarge) |
| 07:16.03 | gurubie | karsten, Makes me wonder what does. Thanks (good answer and it helps me .) |
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| 07:16.33 | streuner | knoppix use XFS and lilo without problems |
| 07:16.41 | karsten | infinity1: Its status is 2. |
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| 07:16.53 | karsten | streuner: Knoppix boots via syslinux. |
| 07:17.09 | karsten | streuner: ...unless you're referring to HD install. |
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| 07:17.42 | streuner | karsten: of course, what do you think? :-) |
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| 07:18.06 | karsten | streuner: As little as possible |
| 07:18.27 | streuner | karsten: hm, no idea about knoppix-HD |
| 07:18.46 | freewoody | Now I am getting: R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
| 07:18.57 | freewoody | When sending mails to other domains |
| 07:19.02 | streuner | karsten: but knoppix use XFS so i _guess_ it use on the HD-install XFS lilo or grub too |
| 07:19.20 | gurubie | I don;t think XFS is an opt with knx2hd but can't remember for sure. |
| 07:19.31 | karsten | streuner: NFC. |
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| 07:19.50 | vladimir | Anyone tried to install multex on knoppix? |
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| 07:20.02 | streuner | Vladi: #knoppix |
| 07:20.10 | streuner | vladimir: #knoppix |
| 07:20.17 | jshriver | knoppix is so nice :) |
| 07:20.27 | gurubie | Back when I played with knx I found ext3 less trouble. |
| 07:20.32 | jozjan | hi, why PHP5 isn't in debian? |
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| 07:20.36 | jshriver | It's the nicest way to get system configurations... lol I dont think I could have setup X without using Knoppix |
| 07:20.42 | freewoody | I am giving the IP Address of my machine to put in the Outgoing SMTP Server |
| 07:20.48 | freewoody | spsilon |
| 07:20.51 | gurubie | Knoppix is best as just a live CD. |
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| 07:22.15 | gurubie | JeronamO! |
| 07:24.02 | streuner | jozjan: /msg dpkg php5 |
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| 07:24.39 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 07:25.33 | jozjan | i see, but what's the problem with PHP5? why other distr. have PHP5, debian not :-| |
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| 07:26.44 | streuner | jozjan: subscribe to a ML or look at the archive what people think about php5 |
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| 07:29.11 | streuner | jozjan: debian-devel would be a good start |
| 07:29.43 | jozjan | streuner thnx |
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| 07:29.59 | vhuren | is there a way I can delete all files in a dir older than like 10days? |
| 07:30.17 | streuner | man find |
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| 07:31.03 | vhuren | is there then a way to delete just empty subdirs? |
| 07:31.43 | ircdevil | say is there not a switch to lpr that resizes an image to fit the paper? methought it used to be -s, but not according to the man page. |
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| 07:31.57 | shanti | morning |
| 07:32.25 | jerware | it;s 3:30 here |
| 07:32.55 | jerware | god nite niggers :P |
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| 07:33.01 | shanti | :D |
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| 07:37.03 | sikocb | exit |
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| 07:38.30 | jm_ | ircdevil: you can do that with lp with CUPS |
| 07:38.47 | jonathan_ | is there any way to get a log of what a package is doing when it installs? I'm having trouble installing scoop |
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| 07:39.11 | ircdevil | jm_: i need cupsys-bds rite? (provides some other lpr) |
| 07:39.20 | jm_ | jonathaN: dpkg -D and you can debug scripts (usually postinst) via sh -x |
| 07:39.32 | phorce1 | OK, who's still awake? :-D I just imported 6000+ new accounts from a Winblows mail server to my new Postfix setup through major .csv file convolutions and mysqlimport. I now need to send one email to each address so postfix can initialize the Maildirs. Anybody got a script to read mail addresses from a text file one line at a time and send a message to those addresses using 'mail' or something similar? |
| 07:39.34 | jm_ | ircdevil: well you'll also need cupsys itself |
| 07:39.49 | phorce1 | I'm all googled out for the night |
| 07:40.05 | ircdevil | jm_ got that one. |
| 07:40.21 | jm_ | ircdevil: so you also have lp, install xpp to easily change options |
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| 07:40.45 | jm_ | phorce1: while read a; do echo "test msg for $a" | mail "$a"; done < filename |
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| 07:42.11 | phorce1 | jm_: Thank you. I've been flipping back and forth between win/linux and fiddling with amavis and spamassassin so much I'm too fried to think straight right now. |
| 07:42.32 | epsilon | is there any tool which calculates the days between 2 dates? |
| 07:43.12 | jm_ | epsilon: date should help with it, I also remember a tool for this on freshmeat |
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| 07:43.55 | b33r_ | if i have an old .config file how can i use it with the make command? |
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| 07:44.04 | b33r_ | make -f ibook.config doesnt work |
| 07:44.18 | jm_ | for kernel? cp myconfig .config && make oldconfig |
| 07:44.39 | b33r_ | ya kernel, thanks |
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| 07:47.05 | b33r_ | i coppied ibook.config into /usr/src/linux and did make oldconfig and it is acting like make config |
| 07:47.49 | Isumi | perhaps you should rename it to .config ? |
| 07:47.59 | b33r_ | oh, duur |
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| 07:48.12 | bykte | which ncurses should i get ? |
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| 07:48.46 | liable | there is more than one? |
| 07:49.00 | bykte | i mean yeah so many choices |
| 07:49.04 | liable | libncurses5-dev I think |
| 07:49.10 | bykte | ok thanks |
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| 07:50.54 | bykte | liable |
| 07:50.56 | bykte | still cant |
| 07:50.58 | Crasp | what is the default way for rotating /var/log/mail.log? |
| 07:51.01 | phorce1 | grrrr -- glad I did a single user test -- looks like my data import gorfed somewhere "(maildir delivery failed: Sorry, this user's mailbox is full, please try again later.)" |
| 07:51.05 | bykte | i still getting errors when running ./py files |
| 07:51.07 | Guerin | Crasp: logrotate |
| 07:51.22 | Guerin | bykte: those are the dev libs. You might just want libncurses5 |
| 07:51.30 | Crasp | Guerin: but i can't really figure out how it rotates and when.. where is that defined? |
| 07:51.32 | streuner | hm |
| 07:51.45 | Guerin | Crasp: /etc/logrotate.conf and .d |
| 07:52.09 | bykte | erm Guerin it's already teh newest version but still unable to run .py files? |
| 07:52.26 | Guerin | bykte: can you explain what ncurses has to do with python? |
| 07:52.49 | bykte | i |
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| 07:52.57 | Guerin | that's a start |
| 07:53.08 | Crasp | Guerin: it's not in logrotate.d but in logrotate.conf can i also use pre-rotate scripts in logrotate.conf or do i have to convert it to logrotate.d? |
| 07:53.19 | bykte | because it's not gui |
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| 07:53.53 | liable | bykte: np |
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| 07:54.26 | Crasp | oh wait, it's not in logrotate.conf either :/ |
| 07:55.15 | Guerin | !wayttd bykte |
| 07:55.16 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, bykte? |
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| 07:55.25 | IDC | I have a question and iam not sure if its related to mutt or/and debian |
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| 07:55.49 | ircdevil | ask away |
| 07:56.02 | IDC | mutt always add Co-Admin to my email as apart of it hence Co-Admin webmaster@domain.com |
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| 07:56.17 | Guerin | IDC: #mutt |
| 07:56.25 | IDC | Here Co-Admin was created as a NICK for the debian normal account during debian insatllation |
| 07:56.33 | dondelelcaro | IDC: change your .muttrc to set the real_name or the From: header appropriately. |
| 07:56.45 | Guerin | yeah, man muttrc :) |
| 07:56.49 | IDC | Guerin, nothing to do with debian ? i have no idea |
| 07:56.58 | Guerin | IDC: 100% mutt config issue. |
| 07:57.04 | IDC | I see |
| 07:57.10 | Crasp | Guerin: is there perhaps a default way for rotating log files that are not configured anywhere? cause i can't find anything about mail.log being rotated in either logrotate.conf or logrotate.d |
| 07:57.12 | IDC | all zZZzz in #mutt |
| 07:57.30 | dondelelcaro | rrr... realname |
| 07:57.38 | IDC | dondelelcaro, would you tell me the exact command for it ? |
| 07:57.40 | Crasp | IDC: that's no argument to ask it here :) |
| 07:57.52 | IDC | so i will not disturb ppl there in #mutt,they are all alsept |
| 07:57.58 | phorce1 | <Sigh> left *TWO* "0"s off in the quota column during my data import. Mailbox quota for every user is suddenly .2MB rather than 20MB. Oh well, at least a search/replace will fix the data files for re-import. |
| 07:57.59 | IDC | or alseep |
| 07:58.00 | Guerin | Crasp: oh, seems I'm stupid. Mine is logged through syslog |
| 07:58.01 | dondelelcaro | IDC: that depends on what exactly you want it to do... set realname 'Foo bar baz' |
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| 07:58.18 | dondelelcaro | IDC: man muttrc; for details |
| 07:58.27 | Guerin | IDC: just ask; if they're really alseep they'll just ignore you. but IME, #mutt is pretty helpful. |
| 07:58.36 | Crasp | Guerin: ah yeah, found it.. thanks :) |
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| 07:58.44 | IDC | ok |
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| 07:59.48 | Crasp | Guerin: hmm that file merely tells where to what file it should store mail.* |
| 07:59.54 | fr00d_ | Is there any program that shows me all my dependencies? |
| 07:59.57 | Crasp | -where |
| 08:00.01 | Guerin | fr00d_: no |
| 08:01.02 | Guerin | fr00d: well, i mean... you almost certainly don't want to see your whole dep tree in one go |
| 08:01.03 | npx | artemisr |
| 08:01.28 | Crasp | hmm, i can imagine certain output would be nice |
| 08:01.45 | Crasp | even if it was just to print it and stick it to my wall :) |
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| 08:01.58 | fr00d | Guerin: Is there any way to set debfoster to start configuration? |
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| 08:02.20 | Guerin | fr00d: eh? |
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| 08:03.08 | fr00d | I think debfoster is a program that asks me all packages to keep or to erase. |
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| 08:03.14 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:03.25 | Guerin | what do you mean by start configuration? |
| 08:03.30 | Crasp | apt-get does that too normally |
| 08:03.50 | Guerin | yeah, but it's not a handy "keep this [yn]" list |
| 08:03.52 | fr00d | I want that this program asks me for all my packages an not just for new installed. |
| 08:03.54 | Crasp | but you might end up with some libs you don't need anymore |
| 08:04.05 | Crasp | use deborphan |
| 08:04.22 | liable | fr00d: read the man page, theres a switch to start from new |
| 08:04.23 | KerPlunk | What will be different in etch then in sarge? |
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| 08:04.33 | KerPlunk | Is there a timeline/structured graph or anything |
| 08:04.35 | fr00d | liable: thanks.. |
| 08:04.40 | Guerin | KerPlunk: xorg, kde++, gnome++, etc. |
| 08:04.43 | Guerin | KerPlunk: no. |
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| 08:04.51 | KerPlunk | kde and gnome suck |
| 08:04.52 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 08:04.56 | KerPlunk | Bloated garbage. |
| 08:05.10 | liable | your opinion only :) |
| 08:05.16 | Guerin | KerPlunk: that, sadly, is not a good enough reason to leave them out of etch |
| 08:05.19 | KerPlunk | Everyone knows I'm right. |
| 08:05.22 | KerPlunk | !start a distro war |
| 08:05.22 | dpkg | Mandrake is stupid! |
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| 08:05.29 | KerPlunk | !start a window manager war |
| 08:05.29 | dpkg | ratpoison bites! |
| 08:05.33 | KerPlunk | ratpoison |
| 08:05.34 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 08:05.50 | KerPlunk | Guerin: That would be funny if they left them out |
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| 08:06.20 | phorce1 | jm_: do you know if there's a good document on the use of 'mail' out there? Your command line worked great but I need to make the message say it's "From: mailsupport@mydomain.tld" rather than "myusername@localhost" and provide a bit more than a single line of text. A lot of our users are ex-AOL and a "cryptic message from a nonexistant person" would light up the phone lines like a christmas tree. ;-D (p.s. 'mam mail' sucks) |
| 08:06.23 | Guerin | KerPlunk: i'd laugh |
| 08:06.25 | Crasp | echo xterm >~/.xinitrc |
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| 08:06.27 | KerPlunk | me too |
| 08:06.28 | KerPlunk | lol |
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| 08:06.36 | liable | !lol |
| 08:06.36 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. |
| 08:06.39 | KerPlunk | I'd laugh my ass off |
| 08:07.01 | KerPlunk | !gnome |
| 08:07.01 | dpkg | gnome is, like, a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager, or a barely-usable pile of shit |
| 08:07.03 | Crasp | penguins become an endangered species these days :/ |
| 08:07.09 | KerPlunk | !penguins |
| 08:07.09 | dpkg | penguins are our friends, or our friends |
| 08:07.11 | furrywolf | blah, another hard lockup... booted .12-rc4 this time; hope it's better... |
| 08:07.17 | Guerin | phorce1: mail takes text on stdin, and you can probably set the outbound email address via an environment variable or somesuch. |
| 08:07.20 | karsten | phorce1: /etc/email-addresses |
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| 08:09.18 | phorce1 | guerin: so I need to craft a mail message with a Subject: header and it can be read (<) in during a 'while read' loop? |
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| 08:09.34 | jm_ | phorce1: From will be set according to the user who has run it, you can use mutt instead of mail and set From via my_hdr |
| 08:09.54 | phorce1 | karsten: /etc/email-addresses can alter the OUTBOUND address on a message? |
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| 08:10.15 | phorce1 | jm_: ahhh thanks again |
| 08:10.17 | hcy | anybody know where the ntpdate config file is? i can't find it |
| 08:10.32 | KerPlunk | /etc |
| 08:10.45 | jm_ | hcy: /etc/default/ntpdate - check /etc/init.d/ntpdate |
| 08:10.47 | streuner | hcy: dpkg-reconfigure ntpdate |
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| 08:12.26 | phorce1 | karsten: just looked at /etc/email-addresses. It's an Exim thing. Postfix is running on this box and all addresses to be delivered to are internal, virtual addresses. The only "live" accounts on the box are root and my maintenance account. |
| 08:13.31 | hcy | streuner: thanks... that didn't do any reconfigure but it did set my clock to the right time - i wonder if it'll work on boot-up now |
| 08:14.02 | shingouz | Just in case: Linux assigns sda for the lowest scsi id on the bus never mind what the id is and usually boots off that, right? (unless the hardware is something real exotic that is) |
| 08:14.10 | streuner | hcy: yeah - if the time is ok, it should prolly work then |
| 08:14.52 | hcy | it's been an hour off, i've been resetting it manually after booting up using ntpdate -u ntp.blah, but that's annoying, wasn't sure why it wasn't setting it properly on startup |
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| 08:15.26 | streuner | hcy: check out 'tzconfig' |
| 08:15.36 | _joey | linux has been ported to xbox .. |
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| 08:16.31 | _joey | it's unfortunate we can't add pci cards to xbox or I would have setup a nice multimedia box |
| 08:16.40 | hcy | streuner: that was correct |
| 08:16.53 | frederic | xbox2 soon |
| 08:16.57 | frederic | no HDD |
| 08:16.59 | frederic | no RAM |
| 08:17.01 | frederic | no tuning |
| 08:17.02 | frederic | so |
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| 08:17.43 | _joey | where do you think the programs are loaded to be executed by cpu ? |
| 08:17.44 | frederic | tuning xbox is useless... PIII600 : the new xbox2 will be a 3,2Ghz ( or something like that ) |
| 08:18.08 | frederic | surely in a disk =) |
| 08:18.42 | _joey | no , dumbass , directly in cpu |
| 08:18.46 | _joey | in RAM |
| 08:18.47 | frederic | haha |
| 08:18.49 | frederic | yep |
| 08:18.53 | frederic | dumbass .. thx |
| 08:18.54 | frederic | : ) |
| 08:19.34 | frederic | xbox1=tuningable;xbox2=untuningable |
| 08:19.40 | _joey | xbox are not expensive, reasonably powerful for a player and come with a nifty box |
| 08:20.01 | _joey | I wanted to buy barebone box and it'd cost you as much as xbox itself |
| 08:20.04 | frederic | perhaps there will RAM and disk on the new model.. but i think we cant tune it |
| 08:20.21 | hayden | THERE IS RAM IN IT |
| 08:20.26 | frederic | sure=) |
| 08:20.28 | _joey | :) |
| 08:20.44 | _joey | hayden you can run linux on it |
| 08:20.56 | frederic | since a long time. |
| 08:21.01 | hayden | with or without ram? |
| 08:21.03 | hayden | lol |
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| 08:21.04 | _joey | I've a cluster been assembled from xboxes with linux |
| 08:21.11 | erich | frederic: sure that xbox won't have a harddisk? |
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| 08:21.20 | frederic | it had a HDD. |
| 08:21.31 | hayden | <frederic> no HDD |
| 08:21.34 | hayden | <frederic> no RAM |
| 08:21.37 | _joey | even modern dvd's come with hdd's |
| 08:21.45 | erich | frederic: xbox2 that is. |
| 08:21.51 | frederic | the second model |
| 08:21.52 | frederic | yes |
| 08:21.59 | frederic | wont be tunable |
| 08:22.04 | frederic | like the first =) |
| 08:22.09 | paulswm | !enter |
| 08:22.09 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 08:22.12 | hayden | whats does 'tunable' mean? |
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| 08:22.21 | frederic | hdd changing |
| 08:22.26 | frederic | ram upgrading |
| 08:22.29 | erich | I mean, they want to emulate xbox1, just for example. its like they will need a lot of data on it, for all this. emulator code for i386 on powerpc. |
| 08:22.30 | frederic | etc... |
| 08:22.39 | _joey | oh yeah, it'd come with standard usb 2.0 |
| 08:22.56 | _joey | :) |
| 08:22.58 | tarzeau | what's the nforce forcedeth homepage? |
| 08:23.00 | hayden | is there usb on xbox2? |
| 08:23.04 | _joey | yes |
| 08:23.09 | jm_ | tarzeau: it's in kernel now |
| 08:23.24 | tarzeau | jm_: also the latest development versions of it? |
| 08:23.43 | tarzeau | jm_: i want to try the cvs bleeding edge of it, since the kernel versions don't work for my nvidia cards :( |
| 08:23.57 | jm_ | tarzeau: not sure how recent it is, and if there have been any updates lately (just google for it, it's easy to find) |
| 08:24.01 | shingouz | frederic: You are talking hardware hacking there, not tuning |
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| 08:24.41 | frederic | i dont think |
| 08:25.06 | frederic | tuning is made to increase beauty or capability. |
| 08:25.25 | nksen | how was this replacement for rcconf called? |
| 08:25.33 | frederic | hdd changing is made to increase capability ye? |
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| 08:26.51 | paulswm | frederic: No, tuning is improving performance of existing system, hacking in new hardware is not tuning and 'beauty' is irrelevant |
| 08:27.08 | shingouz | !hacker |
| 08:27.08 | dpkg | hacker is probably someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiousity. |
| 08:27.13 | hayden | paulswm: yep thats right |
| 08:27.25 | frederic | ah... i think we dont have the same translation of the "tuning" word =) |
| 08:27.53 | shingouz | frederic: The "tuning" out refer to comes oout of the blingbling world of ricebois |
| 08:28.01 | paulswm | frederic: for me it's not a translation :) |
| 08:28.02 | shingouz | s/out/you |
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| 08:28.08 | frederic | :] |
| 08:28.52 | shingouz | !jargon file frederic |
| 08:28.56 | shingouz | !jargon file |
| 08:28.56 | dpkg | i heard jargon file is at http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/ |
| 08:29.04 | shingouz | frederic: Check that one out |
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| 08:29.47 | asdani | hi all |
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| 08:30.06 | frederic | whats that ? |
| 08:30.11 | frederic | jargon? :p |
| 08:30.15 | frederic | !jargon |
| 08:30.16 | dpkg | i heard jargon is at http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon or apt-get install jargon |
| 08:30.22 | asdani | how to change ip address in debian ? with a gui program ? |
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| 08:30.41 | shingouz | frederic: The link. Read the website under the work "hacking" |
| 08:30.56 | shingouz | asdani: ifconfig (or man interfaces) |
| 08:32.16 | shingouz | Ok, this box will lose its uptime, time for a hd upgrade |
| 08:32.51 | togs | I can't login to my mail server (exim4 and courier-imap) from my email client, but I can ssh and login via telnet. any ideas? I followed this guide: http://tinyurl.com/dgwzp |
| 08:33.07 | mynullvoid | how to tell which modules are oss and which are alsa? |
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| 08:33.49 | frederic | original:] |
| 08:34.13 | frederic | seen fred word in it :p |
| 08:34.19 | frederic | and for hacking... its ok =) |
| 08:34.21 | Phated | mynullvoid: snd- module are also ones. |
| 08:34.27 | frederic | brb cofeee |
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| 08:34.47 | shinguz | frederic: What is original? The jargon? That has been around since the dinosaurs |
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| 08:36.10 | mynullvoid | Phated: i got audio but my volume manager doesn't start |
| 08:36.14 | liable | mynullvoid: #ubuntu |
| 08:36.27 | Phated | mynullvoid: If you're running Ubuntu, #ubuntu, please. |
| 08:36.54 | phorce1 | jm_: Decided to send it as root and craft the message to indicate that replies to that address would be automatically deleted. "root@localhost" is aliased to my admin address for local daemon messages but "root@mydomain.tld" is aliased to /dev/null. Thanks for the help. the final version looks like this: |
| 08:37.02 | phorce1 | jm_: while read a; do mail -s "Mailbox Initialization Message" "$a" < startmail.txt; done < addtest.txt |
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| 08:40.16 | phorce1 | heh ... bet it takes a minute or three to do that 6213 times. |
| 08:40.59 | erich | very off-topic: I'm writing to a girl I find very pretty. We met twice only, and she suggested we could work out tomorrow (great!). but what ending should I use? "regards" feels somewhat formal, what would you (=native speakers) use for a mere "good friend"? |
| 08:41.23 | Agrajag- | cheers |
| 08:42.41 | incorrect | has anyone got the backport of cacti and the backport of mysql 4.1 installed? |
| 08:42.56 | erich | phorce1, jm_: depending on what your "message delivery agent" is, you can actually drop mails without a from or reply address into the users mailbox, too, by using the delivery agent directly. I don't know how mail clients react, though. |
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| 08:43.18 | erich | or use the users own address as from. ;-) |
| 08:43.35 | phorce1 | erich: actually, "regards" would probably be best. |
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| 08:44.35 | phorce1 | erich: I'm forcing the messages to go through Postfix so it will create the Maildirs for the 6213 users I manually imported into the MySQL database for my virtual server setup. |
| 08:45.51 | phorce1 | erich: I wouldn't bother except the Courier AuthDeamon gets all upset when someone tries to connect to a mailbox that doesn't yet exist rather than simply creating a new, empty, one. |
| 08:45.52 | erich | phorce1: okay, with virtual users its more difficult. you can probably still do that using local directly or procmail or maildrop (whichever you use), though. The from=to should still work just fine. |
| 08:46.20 | erich | phorce1: yes, I also have a script send out a welcome mail to each new user for that reason. |
| 08:46.40 | erich | It's not the courier authdaemon I think, but the imapd/popd himself. |
| 08:47.17 | phorce1 | erich: I'll be using PostFixAdmin for creating user accounts and it generates a welcome mail when the account is created. |
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| 08:47.36 | jethro | hello |
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| 08:48.52 | phorce1 | erich: possible it's imapd itself. I know connects fail trying POP3, IMAP clients and also Squirrelmail (IMAP) with a "server terminated connection" error. |
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| 08:49.44 | Zta | I need help. When I compile new kernel modules, I get "invalid module format" when I insert them; the old modules I've installed from a previous kernel build still work. What can I possibly have switched on, that makes the kernel refuse to load the new modules? |
| 08:49.58 | erich | phorce1: probably worth writing a patch for that. the user can easily control it using environment variables, like all the other things. |
| 08:50.00 | liable | hey jethro, morning |
| 08:50.15 | erich | Zta: are you sure you booted the new kernel? |
| 08:50.29 | Zta | When I compare the output of "file" from an old (working) module and new (broken) module, it's same architecture. |
| 08:50.52 | bob2 | Zta: you didn't change from 2.4 to 2.6, did you? |
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| 08:51.08 | Zta | bob2, I only use 2.6. |
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| 08:51.24 | Zta | erich, not sure. But I did enable something, that should make it possible to load modules from other kernels. |
| 08:51.32 | bob2 | no, that won't help |
| 08:51.39 | erich | Zta: same version number? or can you tell from uname -a ? |
| 08:51.43 | bob2 | in general, anyway |
| 08:51.43 | Zta | erich, I'll check my bootloaders list. |
| 08:52.30 | erich | Zta: try uname -a |
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| 08:52.50 | zeeeee | hi all, "lp blah.pdf" prints out one-sided, but how do i print duplex? |
| 08:53.16 | zeeeee | the first few hits in google all show completely different params for lp -o... |
| 08:53.28 | bob2 | depends which lp you're using |
| 08:53.29 | Zta | erich, it's the same kernel version. |
| 08:53.42 | phorce1 | erich: no need really. easy to send a message or use the maildirmake command when adding users a few at a time. Only time it gets annoying is when doing a big import like this. And with jm_ to jog my addled brain it took under 5 minutes to script a solution. |
| 08:53.56 | zeeeee | bob2: how do i tell? |
| 08:53.57 | liable | Zta: did you add a revision or anything to the new kernel? look in /lib/modules is there a new folder for the new ones |
| 08:54.04 | zeeeee | bob2: there's no -v or -V or --version |
| 08:54.05 | bob2 | zeeeee: which did you install? |
| 08:54.06 | zeeeee | or even -help |
| 08:54.15 | zeeeee | i didn't, i'm using rh9 |
| 08:54.23 | bob2 | zeeeee: #redhat |
| 08:54.40 | Zta | liable, old and new modules are put in the same directory (2.6.10) |
| 08:54.51 | bob2 | Zta: er, that's bad |
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| 08:55.04 | bob2 | if you're bulding a new kernel, set a EXTRA_VERSION in the Makefile |
| 08:55.09 | liable | Zta: recompile and add a revision to it |
| 08:55.10 | bob2 | or use make-kpkg like god intended |
| 08:55.11 | phorce1 | erich: the scrip is finished. Amavis and Postfix on the other hand are just now getting to the letter "h" usernames doing the delivery. Be glad when I get the old mail server torn down so I can split mail scanning and delivery/user access between two machines. |
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| 08:55.38 | Zta | bob2, why? It's the same kernel, I'm just recompiling with some new modules. |
| 08:55.45 | bob2 | no |
| 08:55.50 | Zta | ok |
| 08:55.53 | Zta | I'll add a rev. |
| 08:55.57 | Zta | in Menuconfig, right? |
| 08:55.58 | bob2 | 18:51:25 Zta | erich, not sure. But I did enable something, that should make it possible to load modules from other kernels. |
| 08:56.10 | bob2 | that's not just adding some modules |
| 08:56.22 | bob2 | Zta: in the Makefile in the root of the kernel source |
| 08:56.44 | Zta | bob2, I added that option a long time ago, before doing the second build that broke things. |
| 08:56.55 | bob2 | ok |
| 08:57.02 | bob2 | maybe something else you did changed the abi |
| 08:57.15 | Zta | abi? |
| 08:57.15 | bob2 | enabling ipv6 as a module changes the kernel itself, for instance |
| 08:57.37 | Zta | I'll .. try something. |
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| 08:57.57 | Zta | afk for a while |
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| 08:58.27 | erich | phorce1: one more reason to directly use the mda. ;-) or setup a smtpd at a special port and use that to skip mail scanning. ;-) |
| 08:58.46 | erich | for amavis you'll have that smtpd anyway. 10025 or so? |
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| 08:59.26 | Sphinx_Ra | how to fix this: checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found ??? |
| 08:59.47 | erich | Zta: check the manpages and readme to make-kpkg (package kernel-package or so). thats a great tool, I use it for building all my kernels. |
| 08:59.55 | bob2 | Sphinx_Ra: use Debian |
| 08:59.59 | erich | Sphinx_Ra: hurt upstream. |
| 09:00.23 | Sphinx_Ra | bob2: i'm using debian :) |
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| 09:00.44 | bob2 | Sphinx_Ra: debian gnome? |
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| 09:01.10 | erich | Sphinx_Ra: gnomeConf.sh sound like some pretty old thing to me... |
| 09:01.14 | Sphinx_Ra | bob2: uhh no i'm on kde right now, that's not possible then ? |
| 09:01.32 | erich | bob2: it looks to me like a broken configure script. |
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| 09:01.37 | bob2 | erich: yeah |
| 09:01.46 | bob2 | erich: I was guessing it perhaps found a broken .pc file |
| 09:02.04 | bob2 | Sphinx_Ra: er, well, you'd need to install all the gnome libraries to compile whatever you're compiling |
| 09:02.15 | erich | Sphinx_Ra: what are you trying to compile? |
| 09:02.24 | Sphinx_Ra | erich: gsubedit |
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| 09:02.48 | Sphinx_Ra | bob2: i tryg apt gnome-libs nothing... |
| 09:02.57 | bob2 | er, of course |
| 09:03.04 | bob2 | you have to use the actual package name |
| 09:03.07 | bob2 | gnome-devel |
| 09:03.12 | Sphinx_Ra | ah |
| 09:03.42 | bob2 | haha |
| 09:03.45 | erich | Sphinx_Ra: hmm... gnome1. do you have the gnome1 dev packages installed? |
| 09:03.49 | bob2 | it took my computer a day to do 3000 messages |
| 09:03.58 | erich | Sphinx_Ra: and you'll probably need to fix the configure script, too. |
| 09:04.19 | petemc | you really want to limit the number of messages you run SA on |
| 09:04.26 | petemc | ime |
| 09:04.29 | phorce1 | bob2: all local, nothing leaving the server they're being delivered on. |
| 09:04.31 | erich | Sphinx_Ra: usually that's not worth the effort... if there is no package, and its that hard to build (and that old!), its most likely not too useful, either. |
| 09:04.31 | Sphinx_Ra | erich: uhh dunno :) it's installing now gnome-devel |
| 09:04.35 | bob2 | phorce1: yes, this was all local |
| 09:04.39 | bob2 | phorce1: with no network tests |
| 09:04.46 | erich | Sphinx_Ra: gnome-devel is likely gnome2. |
| 09:04.48 | phorce1 | bob2. Ouch |
| 09:04.57 | bob2 | well, maybe I'm overestimating it |
| 09:05.01 | bob2 | it was like 12s/message |
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| 09:05.22 | bob2 | = 0.41 days |
| 09:05.42 | jethro | jesus 12s/email! that's a lot |
| 09:05.44 | Sphinx_Ra | erich: gsubedit IS usefull :) it's for editing .srt files for movies ;-0 |
| 09:06.00 | bob2 | movies = anime? |
| 09:06.08 | phorce1 | petemc: I'll be adding a couple of blocking tests to PostFix to reject a few things early. but as an ISP I can't outright block much before letting SA decide if it's REALLY spam. |
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| 09:06.14 | coywolf | !dmix |
| 09:06.14 | dpkg | methinks dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 09:06.34 | erich | Sphinx_Ra: use packages.debian.org to find out, which package gnomeConf.sh is in, and what the correct location is |
| 09:06.41 | coywolf | anyway to do software mixing now in debian? |
| 09:06.45 | Sphinx_Ra | erich: oki thx |
| 09:06.50 | bob2 | coywolf: er, with dmix |
| 09:06.55 | jethro | anhi: I think it's the point of dmix |
| 09:06.56 | bob2 | same as on every other linux system in the universe |
| 09:07.00 | incorrect | has anyone got the icon files working with nagios from the v1.3 backport? |
| 09:07.04 | erich | Sphinx_Ra: it is not useful, if it doesn't work for some reason... so you don't really know yet... |
| 09:07.27 | jethro | s/anhi/coywolf |
| 09:07.33 | freewoody | How can I use Exim to relay all emails from my network to other domains |
| 09:07.34 | erich | coywolf: google for dmix and alsa and read their docs. I think I'm using it... |
| 09:07.46 | jethro | why the hell did I get to address this to anhi anyway |
| 09:07.49 | phorce1 | bob2: That is slow. And I'm upset at the delivery speed I'm seeing right now. I want to see 100,000 to 300,000 per day with room to spare. |
| 09:07.58 | SocketERR | to whitch deb package belong the "top" command? |
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| 09:08.10 | erich | SocketERR: use packages.debian.org |
| 09:08.20 | jethro | SocketERR: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search top |
| 09:08.20 | jethro | I d say procps though |
| 09:08.21 | bob2 | phorce1: then start saving for a quad opteron |
| 09:08.49 | jethro | phorce1: is SA your only antispam system? |
| 09:09.03 | bob2 | yeah, you want cheaper things in front of it |
| 09:09.06 | bob2 | like postfix body checks |
| 09:09.07 | bob2 | and rbls |
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| 09:09.14 | jethro | no like spamd(8) |
| 09:09.20 | jethro | :p |
| 09:09.34 | Sphinx_Ra | erich:well uhh i know :) a friend of mine did compiled it a long time ago but i did get a new HD because the other was fucked :) |
| 09:09.35 | erich | jethro: yes, procps. |
| 09:09.37 | phorce1 | bob2: nahhh. When I tear the old Windows install off of the current mail server I'll split database and mail access operations. And add another load balanced scanning box if I really think it's needed after that. |
| 09:10.17 | jethro | phorce1: are you using any IP based spam filter ? |
| 09:10.18 | SocketERR | jethro, thx |
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| 09:10.55 | phorce1 | jethro: for now it is. It's plugged in through amavisd-new because of the virtual user stuff. Sort of sucks using it that way because I've lost the per user settings offered by SA itself. The amavis per-user stuff is mostly just cutoff scores. |
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| 09:11.32 | coywolf | erich, does mplayer, realplayer work with dmix? |
| 09:11.37 | bob2 | rbls and stuff let me run 1500 messages/day through basically a p100 |
| 09:11.41 | bob2 | coywolf: mplayer does |
| 09:11.45 | bob2 | realplayer is useless, anyway |
| 09:11.48 | erich | coywolf: no idea. I bet mplayer does. |
| 09:12.06 | jethro | phorce1: if I were you, I d have some greylisting before doing anything else. you can either have some done by postgrey or an equivalent, but I really suggest you give openbsd's spamd a try |
| 09:12.07 | phorce1 | jethro: not yet. (IP based) I'll be adding a couple of the more trustworthy dnsbls to postfix for rejection before acceptance later. |
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| 09:12.18 | erich | realplayer (the latest, which at least doesn't look like a martian any longer) is unuseable. eating memory when streaming audio, here. |
| 09:12.21 | coywolf | bob2, mplayer plays rm too? |
| 09:12.22 | bob2 | jethro: rbls before greylisting |
| 09:12.26 | bob2 | coywolf: of course |
| 09:12.33 | jethro | bob2: spamd dfoest both |
| 09:12.38 | jethro | s/df/d/ |
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| 09:13.01 | jethro | and it does it at the kernel level, interacting with the firewall entries |
| 09:13.06 | bob2 | sure, but that consumes SA resources |
| 09:13.06 | jethro | so it's rather fast |
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| 09:13.16 | bob2 | you gave SA root?? |
| 09:13.18 | jethro | bob2: I mean spamd(8), not smapd by spamassassin |
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| 09:13.26 | jethro | bob2: these are totally different things |
| 09:13.26 | bob2 | oh, wait |
| 09:13.31 | bob2 | we already had this conversation |
| 09:13.34 | erich | coywolf: search for "ao alsa" in the mplayer manpage, to set the proper output device. |
| 09:13.36 | jethro | indeed :) |
| 09:13.51 | directhex|work | never use ao alsa |
| 09:13.56 | jethro | I m advertising spamd(8) a lot :p |
| 09:14.03 | directhex|work | use ao sdl:alsa |
| 09:14.04 | phorce1 | jethro: I want to use spamc/spamd but since the server is all virtual setting up maildrop or procmail to deal with users who have no uid/gid was looking like a real bear. And getting the Windows based mail server OFFLINE and OUT OF MY MISERY was a priority (and I was given a deadline) |
| 09:14.05 | jethro | hi directhex|work |
| 09:14.12 | erich | directhex|work: why? |
| 09:14.22 | jethro | phorce1: ok I understand |
| 09:14.33 | bob2 | phorce1: hah |
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| 09:14.38 | directhex|work | because mplayer's alsa output plugin doesn't support anything from the alsa 0.9 spec (like dmix) |
| 09:14.43 | bob2 | phorce1: just don't let them see how much better it works all at once |
| 09:14.51 | jethro | hah |
| 09:14.59 | bob2 | or they'll realise you won't have to admin it once it's setup;) |
| 09:15.09 | ongeboren | ah sarge is not out... |
| 09:15.14 | coywolf | erich, btw, where is alsa installed? or what core package? |
| 09:15.23 | jethro | !wwsr |
| 09:15.23 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. The current estimate is that it will be released around May 30th. Latest release update: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20050503.194632.8f44e65b.en.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. Sarge takes too long? ask me about <vancouver> |
| 09:15.24 | ongeboren | ok, see you next christmas :) |
| 09:15.33 | jethro | wtf is vancouver?! |
| 09:15.35 | redguy | I have this d-link adsl modem. I noticed that after a day or so new connections can't be established. In the modem's logs there were lots of ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. I think that the solution would be running the modem in bridge mode. Am I right? And if so what should I install on the box connected to modem to make it work? pppoe? |
| 09:15.48 | phorce1 | bob2: heh |
| 09:15.53 | bob2 | jethro: where the debian cabal had a meeting to talk about getting sarge+1 out faster |
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| 09:16.16 | jethro | ah ok |
| 09:16.19 | bob2 | redguy: putting it in bridge mode and running your NAT stuff on a linux machine would help, yes |
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| 09:16.24 | erich | coywolf: its a library. dependencies will pull it in. |
| 09:16.25 | jethro | rjust read the factoid actually, and preparing to read the mentionned URL |
| 09:16.37 | bob2 | redguy: you can increase the number of connections that can be tracked at once if you have it on your own system |
| 09:16.39 | erich | directhex|work: thanks. |
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| 09:17.44 | phorce1 | The deadline was actually this past Sunday. The boss gets mad at me -- but we're in a 'backwater' and I have job security because of that. I griped and told him he was rushing it anyway. I still have to leave the old server available for a while and I need to notify the customers before I put this one in the stream. |
| 09:18.28 | bob2 | if this new machine isn't at the front of the mail syste, be careful to make sure it's not bouncing stuff out |
| 09:18.57 | redguy | bob2: ok, that's what I thought. What should I set up on the router box? The DSL connection is PPPoA. |
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| 09:19.10 | phorce1 | I can't save the mail off of the old server (easily enough for practicality) and he wants me to just wipe it as soon as this one is up. I'm delaying and pushing his buttons intentionally to make him stop and think about how much that would pi** off the customers. |
| 09:20.15 | phorce1 | bob2: It'll be the only MX until I clean off another box so it's right up front <grin> |
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| 09:22.28 | phorce1 | bob2: he bought a stack of nice servers then put "half started ideas" on most of them. I have to shift stuff around to clear one or two off for use. Need to move my Squirrelmail install off of the mail server and onto our web server too. Which is gonna suck. The web admin likes RH so I'll have to learn enough about it to get a clean install because that's what's on the web server. Mail and billing systems are mine |
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| 09:24.00 | bob2 | ahhh |
| 09:24.06 | bob2 | this an isp or just hosting? |
| 09:24.24 | Zta | ah.. |
| 09:24.28 | bob2 | redguy: hm, pppoa I don't know about |
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| 09:24.46 | coywolf | !pcm |
| 09:24.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pcm is Pulse Code Modulation, an encoding that represts intensity for several samples. In the case of audio, each sample is how far the speaker should go out or in to produce sound. two channels at 44100 samples per second each, or 44100 hertz is CD quality |
| 09:24.47 | bob2 | redguy: there seems to be a PPPO_ATM module, but I don't know of any userspace tools for it |
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| 09:25.04 | Zta | I added the extraversion, compiled a flashy new kernel with new modules, booted it, and now everything appears to work. |
| 09:25.11 | coywolf | is pcm an alsa specific thing or not? |
| 09:25.24 | bob2 | pcm is a general digital-sound thing |
| 09:25.34 | bob2 | Zta: must have ended up with mixed modules somehow |
| 09:25.41 | coywolf | bob2, so oss has pcm too? |
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| 09:26.16 | bob2 | pcm is just a way of encoding sound |
| 09:26.22 | jannor | where do i can find potato installation floppies? |
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| 09:26.35 | Zta | bob2, yes. Thanks anyway. I'll try to use the extra version in the future. It's nice to be sure, what exactly is loaded. |
| 09:26.39 | Zta | erich, thanks to you too =) |
| 09:27.17 | Zta | I'm off. |
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| 09:27.34 | erich | coywolf: alsa calls the devices that use pcm data pcm, but this corresponds to dsp devices with oss |
| 09:28.04 | coywolf | erich, i see |
| 09:28.49 | erich | since you can have pcm data on other devices, too, naming them /dev/pcm would be bad, but /dev/sound/*pcm* is pretty clear. ;-) |
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| 09:29.23 | phorce1 | bob2: ISP -- dialup only. Niche customers. travellers and snowbirds mostly. |
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| 09:30.25 | coywolf | apt-get install alsa-oss alsaplayer < mpg123 alsaplayer-alsa |
| 09:30.36 | coywolf | what does < mean above? |
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| 09:31.21 | _joey | I have pioneer dvd-wr, it stopped reading and burning dvd's. What can I do to fix the problem ? |
| 09:31.25 | _joey | :) |
| 09:31.27 | erich | coywolf: it means ";" |
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| 09:31.45 | erich | no. doesn't make sense... |
| 09:31.53 | erich | coywolf: where did you get that broken line from? |
| 09:31.54 | coywolf | erich hm |
| 09:32.09 | coywolf | erich, from http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 09:32.10 | erich | coywolf: mpg321 has alsa support built in IIRC. |
| 09:32.11 | liable | _joey: replace it? |
| 09:32.12 | phorce1 | bob2: First message hit postfix @ 03:38:24 last message was delivered @ 04:18:57. 6213 emails in 40 minutes. |
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| 09:32.48 | erich | mpg321 -o alsa -z *.mp3 |
| 09:33.09 | coywolf | erich, what that means |
| 09:33.10 | _joey | liable I can , it's only 4 months old and have warranty, but |
| 09:33.15 | directhex|work | mpg321 uses libao |
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| 09:33.33 | _joey | can insert anything into it and screw it several times before I will return it? |
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| 09:33.50 | _joey | and see if it starts working |
| 09:33.58 | directhex|work | edit /etc/libao.conf or ~/.libao, and type default_plugin=alsa09 |
| 09:34.00 | erich | coywolf: that line is just broken. |
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| 09:35.21 | _joey | what would be a good dvd-wr other than from plextor ? |
| 09:35.35 | directhex|work | lite-on |
| 09:36.08 | Unskill3d | im also happy with my ricoh |
| 09:36.42 | directhex|work | and, as per usual, "alsa" is a useless alsa 0.5 setting, you need to use alsa09 on libao for dmixable alsa 0.9 api |
| 09:36.58 | jm_ | _joey: NEC works fine for me |
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| 09:39.07 | phorce1 | _joey: My Sony is working good after over a year -- but we have gotten 3 or 4 *in a row* that were bad out of the box. |
| 09:39.23 | freewoody | How do I know if my SMTP Port 25 is opened or closed ? |
| 09:39.29 | groulder | nmap it. |
| 09:40.15 | phorce1 | freewoody: try to telnet to some server that you know has a working smtp server on port 25 |
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| 09:41.07 | freewoody | Well I have it opened then |
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| 09:41.26 | freewoody | Can somebody tell me how I can use Exim to relay all my mails to my SMTP Server |
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| 09:42.33 | phorce1 | freewoody: that depends on the version of exim. Might want to search the exim docs for "smarthost" |
| 09:42.34 | petemc | freewoody: what version? |
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| 09:43.02 | freewoody | I am using Exim 4.5 |
| 09:43.24 | phorce1 | freewoody: or do a dpkg-reconfigure exim(4) -- I believe one of the config choices is that you use a smarthost. |
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| 09:43.37 | freewoody | I have tried that but it does not work |
| 09:43.44 | petemc | freewoody: if you're using debconf to manage it, tell debconf where your smarthost is and it'll do the rest, othewise set up a manualroute router |
| 09:43.45 | phorce1 | freewoody: then that would be dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 09:43.49 | directhex|work | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 09:43.58 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 09:44.08 | freewoody | What should I put in my Mail Client's SMTP Server ? |
| 09:44.14 | directhex|work | yarrrr, /me wins |
| 09:44.17 | petemc | :) |
| 09:44.26 | freewoody | I mean for my Outgoing SMTP Server ? |
| 09:44.32 | phorce1 | directhex|work: ahhh --- sorry. My home machine is still on exim 3.3x and I'm doing postfix here at work |
| 09:44.36 | petemc | freewoody: how the hell should we know? |
| 09:45.10 | freewoody | Can I put the IP address of my Machine in the Outgoing SMTP Server ? |
| 09:45.41 | phorce1 | ohh crap |
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| 09:45.57 | petemc | freewoody: in your mail client, put the address of exim, in exim put the address of your isps mail server - at a a guess |
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| 09:54.03 | loka | l |
| 09:54.12 | liable | o |
| 09:54.14 | hayden | how can i install apache and php? |
| 09:54.21 | loka | hola |
| 09:55.24 | liable | hayden: erm, apt? |
| 09:55.35 | erich | hayden: the same way as everything else. |
| 09:56.02 | Trewas | meh, after installing sarge to the second harddrive which installed grub to the first one, grub says error 21 on boot, and of course refuses to boot any fucking thing |
| 09:56.06 | cyrille_ | hayden, php.net apache.org |
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| 09:56.24 | coywolf | what the highest load average could be? (you ever see) |
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| 09:56.50 | erich | coywolf: the load average gives the number of active processes. |
| 09:57.28 | erich | coywolf: thats easy to raise into high values, without doing anything useful. |
| 09:57.46 | Trewas | thankfully a dos boot disk and fdisk /mbr fixed it (at least windows which is in the first hd boots) |
| 09:57.55 | liable | Trewas: questio or statement? :) why not install grub to the mbr of second and boot it with bios? |
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| 09:59.21 | coywolf | erich, you've seen the source code of that part? |
| 09:59.23 | Trewas | liable: I'll install grub to the second hdd and use windows boot manager and see if that works any better |
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| 09:59.39 | gordonjcp | 'lo all |
| 09:59.53 | jm_ | alternatively, install GRUB by hand using install command, no stage 1.5 stuff etc |
| 09:59.59 | erich | coywolf: of the load average part? |
| 09:59.59 | gordonjcp | I'm having problems with messages coming up as question marks in Debian Sid |
| 10:00.05 | gordonjcp | for example |
| 10:00.13 | gordonjcp | gordonjcp@norbert:~$ dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:00.13 | gordonjcp | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure ??????? ???????????? ? ??????? ??????????? root |
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| 10:00.21 | liable | Trewas: grub should be able to do it, maybe you made a mistake? |
| 10:00.29 | gordonjcp | I suspect this is a locales problem, but I've only got en_GB installed |
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| 10:00.54 | gordonjcp | anyone got some advice, or a pointer to how I can find out what language Debian thinks it's using? |
| 10:00.55 | coywolf | erich, by active processes, i think you mean R state processes |
| 10:01.07 | erich | coywolf: something like that |
| 10:01.07 | coywolf | erich, yes, that part |
| 10:01.23 | IDC | Can my linux box power on/off in a schedualed time i specified ? |
| 10:01.24 | erich | No I havn't. |
| 10:01.33 | jm_ | gordonjcp: locale will tell you, also locale charmap |
| 10:01.36 | Trewas | liable: I used the default choices sarge installer suggested, it might have made a mistake or there might be some problem in the bios settings (which is password protected and I don't have the password) |
| 10:01.38 | liable | gordonjcp: well, you need to be root for a start, and supply a second command |
| 10:01.46 | erich | IDC: power on if your bios supports it. power off using schedulers such as cron and at. |
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| 10:02.02 | gordonjcp | liable: yes, I know - the point was more the big string of question marks |
| 10:02.09 | liable | Trewas: oh |
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| 10:02.15 | liable | gordonjcp: oh, ok |
| 10:02.16 | jethro | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 10:02.18 | erich | IDC: the hard part is that you don't have the allmighty GUI of windows, that can easily ask the local user if he wants to cancel the scheduled reboot |
| 10:02.24 | IDC | erich, hmm about the power on part,i have never seen a BIOS which offers that option |
| 10:02.27 | gordonjcp | jm_: locale shows that everything is set to en_GB |
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| 10:02.40 | erich | IDC: almost every does nowadays |
| 10:02.50 | erich | I never tested it though. |
| 10:02.53 | jm_ | gordonjcp: tried setting LANG=C? |
| 10:02.53 | IDC | hmm |
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| 10:03.01 | IDC | erich, really ? |
| 10:03.10 | erich | IDC: there should be some tool (probably acpi based) that allows you to set it from the running system. |
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| 10:03.22 | kjparker | evening ppl |
| 10:03.27 | erich | IDC: yes. called "power on time" and is located in the power management section usually |
| 10:03.37 | erich | with the wake up options. |
| 10:03.42 | IDC | erich, so it maybe in the power management section in bios setup |
| 10:04.06 | liable | Trewas: question, how did you boot the installer then? |
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| 10:04.32 | IDC | erich, hmm,my server runs on a mobo which the bios was built in 2001 |
| 10:04.39 | IDC | i cannot go there to check cuz my server is running |
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| 10:05.05 | jm_ | IDC: alternatively there's WOL |
| 10:05.06 | loka | hola ke tal |
| 10:05.15 | IDC | WOL ? |
| 10:05.15 | loka | habla en español |
| 10:05.20 | jm_ | yes |
| 10:05.21 | shinguz | !es |
| 10:05.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 10:05.29 | liable | loka: #debian-es |
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| 10:05.36 | IDC | jm_, excuse me ? WOL ? |
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| 10:05.39 | erich | IDC: i've had it on my computer built in 1998 or so. |
| 10:05.40 | jm_ | IDC: /msg dpkg wol |
| 10:05.43 | shinguz | IDC: What kind of a server you have there? |
| 10:05.47 | loka | ke estay haciendo |
| 10:05.53 | Trewas | liable: the computer was set to boot also from cd... and I could go whine to the adminstrator to get the bios password off but I'm lazy and his office is on the next floor :) |
| 10:05.59 | shinguz | loka: /msg dpkg es |
| 10:06.01 | liable | loka: /j #debian-es |
| 10:06.12 | IDC | erich, cool then it shouldn't be a problem here :) |
| 10:06.19 | liable | Trewas: heh :) |
| 10:06.58 | gordonjcp | jm_: woot. That did it - now where does LANG get set? |
| 10:06.59 | IDC | shinguz, a home server,i would like it to run from 7:00AM to 2:00AM in a day |
| 10:07.07 | kjparker | ok, if I have a process running on the console of my server (a package d/l install) is there anyway i can remotely see how that is going? |
| 10:07.24 | kjparker | i can ssh to the box, but that doesn't help me! :) |
| 10:07.45 | erich | IDC: why do you want to shut it down just for these 5 hours at night? |
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| 10:08.08 | shinguz | IDC: Not a real server, just some box that you use as a server? |
| 10:08.27 | IDC | jm_, yup,i noticed there is a LAn-wakeup thing in bios like i always mean to disable it after bios goes back to default due to lack of baterry,i will check |
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| 10:09.12 | IDC | erich, I do not have experience about running a computer without shutting it down ? |
| 10:09.33 | shinguz | IDC: The wake on lan is useful, you hsould have some autoboot there too if the computer is even somewhat new. I have seen such features on early nineties IBM PS/2's |
| 10:09.45 | IDC | shinguz, exactly,a PC ,not a dedicate server built :) |
| 10:09.47 | shinguz | IDC: Uptime is good for you ;) |
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| 10:10.26 | erich | IDC: the startup and shutdown stresses the hardware, too. |
| 10:10.26 | IDC | shinguz, but wait... nowadays even a PC can do a lot of things,maybe powerful than some 'servers'from the past years :) |
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| 10:11.51 | IDC | erich, i will find it out |
| 10:11.51 | erich | IDC: the bios data loss due to "lack of battery", does this occur often with that box? that would be a real reason not to shut it down... it will lose the wakeup time then, too. |
| 10:12.03 | erich | IDC: nvram-wakeup - A tool to read/write the WakeUp time from/to the BIOS |
| 10:12.06 | shinguz | IDC: I know. Just leave the box up forever, basically the only things that can go poof on such a box will be the cpu fan and the psu |
| 10:12.17 | maxxle | I play with "gdmflexiserver --xnest". Can someone tell me where I can set the size of the window? Fullscreen-mode would be nice too. No informationf about that found using google. |
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| 10:12.35 | usuario_ | Esto es Una prueba |
| 10:12.49 | erich | yeah, on my "home server" the PSU died some time. new PSU in, and running again for a long time already. |
| 10:13.01 | IDC | erich, no,that was actually due to the baterry was running out of powerful,placed a new Cr2032 Li-batarry ,solved |
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| 10:13.16 | IDC | power* |
| 10:13.25 | erich | Good old Celeron... 366 MHz, overclocked to 412 MHz for >6 years now... no special cooling or whatever. |
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| 10:13.42 | liable | usuario_: #debian-br? |
| 10:13.44 | IDC | erich, Thanks,i will first try it in bios .let me google |
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| 10:14.18 | IDC | shinguz, how about the HDD ? |
| 10:14.22 | tarzeau2 | wow more than 800 people now |
| 10:14.27 | tarzeau2 | !debstats |
| 10:14.27 | dpkg | [debstats] managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 10:14.43 | tarzeau2 | did i tell my isp sucks? |
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| 10:14.55 | jbmigel | Hey all, is anyone here running sarge off of a single SATA drive? I need some help with GRUB config |
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| 10:15.16 | shinguz | The box i just upgraded the hd's on is an ancient IBM PCserver with a buhc of scsi drives. The originals have been bought in 95 and have been running pretty much constntly since then, they still run and diagnose 100% healthy but I just needed a bit more space on it already |
| 10:15.22 | liable | tarzeau2: wheres .ch? |
| 10:15.25 | harold_balta | q |
| 10:15.27 | harold_balta | \q |
| 10:15.30 | shinguz | IDC: What I am saying is that the hd's will take it |
| 10:15.32 | tarzeau2 | liable: switzerland |
| 10:15.39 | liable | oh, thanks |
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| 10:15.57 | IDC | shinguz, i actually worry about the hdd,its not that that the HDD is really expensive,but yeah,that is one of the parts for a person who s been saving money ..but also the datas losing is really insufferable |
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| 10:17.07 | liable | tarzeau2: the land of chocolate and bueatiful women :) |
| 10:17.32 | IDC | shinguz, im considering to buy a scsi 13GIG,10000RPM, costs $80 or so :) but not now till i figure out some basics in building server and maintaining by then i will do |
| 10:17.44 | tarzeau2 | liable: /bueatiful women/watches and cheese/ |
| 10:18.01 | tarzeau2 | liable: outer beauty is not worth the half of inner |
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| 10:18.15 | liable | heh, and pocket knives |
| 10:18.25 | tarzeau2 | liable: believe me gnustep is the most beautiful development environment, and it's sexy |
| 10:18.34 | shinguz | IDC: Even IDE drives can handle huge uptimes these days. And when it comes to dataloss... backup once in a while, you hsould do that in anycase |
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| 10:19.14 | ethichs | hi all, is there anyone who could tell me how to update my vesion of alsa in sarge...my chipset requires 1.0.9 |
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| 10:19.33 | IDC | shinguz,ok i see |
| 10:19.48 | shinguz | ethichs: uname -r |
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| 10:20.12 | ethichs | shinguz, 2.6.8-2-686 - intel ich6 chipset |
| 10:20.42 | ethichs | shinguz, from the alsa site : High Definition Audio versions of the ICH6 chipset (and some compatible Realtek chipsets) are supported by the snd-hda-intel driver, which is only available from ALSA 1.0.9, or with kernels later than 2.6.11; an earlier version of this driver, from ALSA 1.0.8, was called snd-azx. |
| 10:20.50 | liable | bah, swedens the pocket knife place iniit? |
| 10:20.52 | shinguz | IDC: If you want to have something a bit safer than just one drive you better check into used servers, something with hardware raid, makes neat desktops ;) |
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| 10:21.16 | shinguz | ethichs: Of course you could install a 2.6.11 there |
| 10:21.18 | liable | or is it switzerland? |
| 10:21.30 | ethichs | shinguz, in the kernel i think its 1.0.4 not too sure tho |
| 10:21.31 | shinguz | liable: Switzerland |
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| 10:21.42 | liable | tnx |
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| 10:21.55 | jiffa | hi |
| 10:22.00 | ethichs | shinguz, ill need to redo a few modules tho if i update kernels tho yeah? |
| 10:22.07 | shinguz | liable: Swiss Army Knife... ;) |
| 10:22.09 | jiffa | anyone knows how to install lufs-source ? i never installed a debian kernel module package yet |
| 10:22.12 | IDC | shinguz, i will keep an eye on it |
| 10:22.27 | jiffa | installed/compiled |
| 10:22.28 | liable | shinguz: thats the one :) |
| 10:22.30 | shinguz | ethichs: Not really, if you install a Debian kernel the stuff will be there |
| 10:22.45 | shinguz | liable: apt-get install more-ram ;) |
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| 10:23.00 | liable | heh, wish I could |
| 10:23.03 | ethichs | shinguz, sarge doesnt have one yet tho does it? |
| 10:23.16 | ethichs | apt-cache search doesnt find one |
| 10:23.21 | jiffa | anyone ? |
| 10:23.29 | shinguz | liable: Just say: "dpkg -i more-ram" |
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| 10:23.48 | shinguz | jiffa: module-assistant is the key |
| 10:23.56 | kjparker | shinguz, i tried that all i got was an error.... do I need to add "unstable" to my sources? |
| 10:24.00 | directhex|work | !m-a |
| 10:24.00 | dpkg | from memory, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 10:24.07 | kjparker | :) |
| 10:24.08 | shinguz | kjparker: Try what? |
| 10:24.15 | jiffa | hmm nice, thanks |
| 10:24.34 | kjparker | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.39 | ethichs | shinguz, how would i find a debian 2.6.11? |
| 10:24.52 | liable | shinguz: i am saying it, but my memory doesnt improve :) |
| 10:25.00 | shinguz | kjparker: Just say "dpkg -i more-ram" here on the channel and see what happens |
| 10:25.14 | kjparker | dpkg -i more-ram |
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| 10:25.19 | shinguz | :) |
| 10:25.19 | kjparker | lol |
| 10:25.33 | shinguz | Gotcha |
| 10:25.34 | liable | oh, ffs, stupid me :) |
| 10:25.48 | VoX | i've installed kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 package, but i cant find where it's /put/ the files. how do i get apt/dpkg to tell me? |
| 10:26.39 | ethichs | VoX...they will be in /usr/src...and the command is dpkg -L i think |
| 10:26.40 | shinguz | ethichs: As the kernel-images are just one single deb, you could conceivably just d/l an image off the Debian mirrors with your favorite ftp/http/whatever client and dpkg --install it |
| 10:26.57 | shinguz | VoX: dpkg -L foo |
| 10:26.58 | ethichs | cool...its technicall from unstable tho yeah? |
| 10:27.16 | shinguz | ethichs: I think so |
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| 10:28.15 | VoX | ok |
| 10:28.20 | VoX | i think i've done something bad |
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| 10:28.40 | shinguz | VoX: Made a puddle? |
| 10:28.41 | VoX | i've deleted the /usr/src/kernel-headers-foo directory |
| 10:29.17 | shinguz | vox: Heh. Do you have some nice tar there in /usr/src that resembles what you need? |
| 10:29.18 | ethichs | shinguz, cool downloading 2.6.11-3_i386 |
| 10:29.41 | shinguz | ethichs: What cpu you have there? Get the appropriate version |
| 10:29.43 | liable | VoX: just re-install, you shouldnt need to download anything |
| 10:30.00 | liable | unless you apt cleaned |
| 10:30.39 | ethichs | shinguz, i googled for kernel-image-2.6.11 and there was only this and k7 |
| 10:30.43 | shinguz | ethichs: Didn't you mention you had a 686 kernel running at the moment? Why didn't you d/l another 686 off the site |
| 10:30.50 | shinguz | ethichs: Ok |
| 10:31.16 | liable | VoX: why did you do that? and do you have the source installed |
| 10:31.23 | ethichs | shinguz, ill keep looking while it DLs...im on dialup here atm 8( |
| 10:31.24 | shinguz | ethichs: You are about to enter uncharted territory so beware if you actually do install the kernel |
| 10:31.30 | shinguz | I see |
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| 10:31.41 | redguy | I've got an PPPoA ADSL service from my ISP. I want to set up my ADSL modem to act as a bridge and do all NAT/routing on my debian box connected to the modem by ethernet. What tools do I need? |
| 10:32.00 | ethichs | shinguz, not to worry this is only a home toy PC.....first time linux as desktop 8) |
| 10:32.04 | kjparker | i hate when i get shaped by my ISP |
| 10:32.14 | hayden | how do i change the domain of the computer e.g to WORKGROUP |
| 10:32.17 | ethichs | shinguz, worst case i grab all my debs and reinstall hehe |
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| 10:32.46 | VoX | liable: because i was stupid :P nah, i have the kernel-image-foo installed |
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| 10:33.05 | ethichs | hayden a control cetre from gnome and kde have it .or samba.conf |
| 10:33.14 | VoX | how do i force apt to install a package which it thinks is already installed? or is that going to do bad things? |
| 10:33.28 | hayden | ok thanks ethichs |
| 10:33.30 | liable | VoX: --purge then reinstall |
| 10:33.31 | jm_ | gordonjcp: still here? |
| 10:33.35 | TheIceCreamGuy | hi |
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| 10:34.10 | shinguz | Hmm.. Houston, we have a problem. Grr. |
| 10:34.13 | VoX | liable: mmmuh ok |
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| 10:35.02 | tarzeau2 | someone needs a translation? http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050427.html |
| 10:35.12 | TheIceCreamGuy | does anyone know where to put the jvm-option to make the heap size bigger in tomcat (5.5.x) ? I read the docs, it says you should put it in server.xml but does not say exacly where ? |
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| 10:35.22 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 10:35.37 | tarzeau2 | TheIceCreamGuy: this is #debian |
| 10:35.59 | ^rob^ | can somebody explain what CONNRACK_INPUT is? => i have kmyfirewall and seen that rule - i wonder what it does? (i've googleled for this - no data at all - just some german forum) |
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| 10:36.29 | jm_ | ^rob^: it's in kernel docs |
| 10:36.30 | ethichs | shinguz, spose i should update my headers/source |
| 10:36.41 | TheIceCreamGuy | tarzeau2: Yes, I know. Full of highly qualified IT experts :). Just thought someone could know. the tomcat channel is draindead ... |
| 10:36.48 | shinguz | ethichs: Why? |
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| 10:36.53 | ^rob^ | jm_: oh - ty |
| 10:36.55 | TheIceCreamGuy | braindead, sorry. |
| 10:37.08 | ethichs | shinguz, money has it my /devs will be screwed up hehe...tablet will move and so will soemthing else hehe |
| 10:37.10 | tarzeau2 | TheIceCreamGuy: the problem is when you use non-free stuff, stuff that's not in main |
| 10:37.23 | ethichs | shinguz, and new modules will cry about mismatched headers |
| 10:37.26 | shinguz | ethichs: WTF are you running there then? udev? |
| 10:37.41 | jm_ | ^rob^: do you mean CONNMARK? |
| 10:37.44 | TheIceCreamGuy | tarzeau2, tomcat if free. or is it not ? |
| 10:37.56 | tarzeau2 | TheIceCreamGuy: java? |
| 10:38.03 | ethichs | shinguz, nah..but the different kernel modules in 2.6.11 will change them wont they? |
| 10:38.15 | shinguz | ethichs: It shouldn't |
| 10:38.17 | ethichs | shinguz, or are the /dev structures driven elsewhere? |
| 10:38.17 | TheIceCreamGuy | tarzeau2, aaah. sorry. yeah, according to the debian policy. |
| 10:38.29 | ^rob^ | jm_: no CONNRACK_INPUT |
| 10:38.38 | jm_ | ^rob^: that's not it then |
| 10:38.43 | ethichs | shinguz, im somewhat new to kernel changes etc hehe |
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| 10:38.49 | shinguz | ethics: I am not sure what you actually ask but I know that upgrading a kernel should not screw up the /dev |
| 10:38.57 | ethichs | shinguz, just bear with me hehe |
| 10:38.57 | TheIceCreamGuy | tarzeau2, well, I have to develop in JSP... Suppose I could try another application server or web container. |
| 10:39.13 | shinguz | ethichs: dpkg -i new-kernel-whole-name-of-the.deb |
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| 10:39.26 | shinguz | ethichs: As root of course |
| 10:39.28 | tarzeau2 | TheIceCreamGuy: probably, well it's fine to ask once , the chance to get a satisfying answer is not too good though |
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| 10:40.08 | ethichs | shinguz, not that green hehe |
| 10:40.13 | ^rob^ | the fw rile is: iptables -t filter -A input --match state --state RELATED,ESTABILISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 10:40.27 | ^rob^ | labelname CONNRACK_INPUT |
| 10:40.29 | TheIceCreamGuy | tarzeau2, thats true... I wont nag. I know that is is debian. just a last cry for help :). |
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| 10:41.03 | ethichs | shinguz, wouldn't have any idea if theres any tools i can use to fix my usb issues?...i get hung sessions while copying multiple files |
| 10:41.20 | shinguz | ethichs: And the issues are? |
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| 10:42.07 | dvsdude | hey all. Help Please im trying to emerge gtk-perl but it keeps failing has anyone had this problem and fixed it. I'v tried 3 sources for te portage file and also done a revdep-rebuild and no issues there. |
| 10:42.17 | tarzeau2 | dvsdude: #gentoo |
| 10:42.20 | shinguz | dvsdude: #gentoo I guess |
| 10:42.21 | liable | dvsdude: #gentoo |
| 10:42.23 | dvsdude | soz |
| 10:42.26 | shinguz | :) |
| 10:42.40 | dvsdude | habbit was a deb now a gentoo |
| 10:42.41 | liable | hehe, third place |
| 10:42.43 | ethichs | shinguz, well it never completes just freezes on one file....multiple times different files |
| 10:42.43 | shinguz | dvsdude: Or just apt-get install the stuff |
| 10:42.54 | tarzeau2 | shinguz: he doesn't have debian |
| 10:42.59 | shinguz | ethichs: What are you trying to do |
| 10:43.10 | shinguz | tarzeau2: I know, maybe he will install it |
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| 10:43.18 | tarzeau2 | shinguz: no way |
| 10:43.34 | ethichs | shinguz, just copy a heap of mp3s off a usb2 hardisk |
| 10:43.37 | shinguz | tarzeau2: Probably not. I had to try ... ;) |
| 10:43.39 | deadcat | does it consider 5 pages if the essay just touches page 5? (= |
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| 10:44.06 | ethichs | shinguz, just mount then copy directories accross to my home |
| 10:44.11 | shinguz | deadcat: Just cat a bit off /dev/random onto page 5 and it will |
| 10:44.29 | Gathond | deadcat: depends, some uses the concept of a normal page, that being a number of words/letters |
| 10:44.32 | shinguz | ethichs: You sure you have enough space on the usb drive in the first place |
| 10:44.37 | deadcat | shinguz: (= wish i can do that. i will let that run for 15min |
| 10:44.42 | shinguz | :) |
| 10:44.59 | deadcat | Gathond: but if the instructor just say 5 pages. |
| 10:45.08 | EfaistOs | hi |
| 10:45.16 | ethichs | shinguz, im going from usbhdd to desktop...i have 235 gig free on desktop and 50 gig free in usb aprrox |
| 10:45.17 | shinguz | deadcat: Maybe /dev/loremipsum would be better in your case |
| 10:45.21 | Gathond | deadcat: tough ... ask the instructor? |
| 10:45.48 | llama32 | anyone know if anyones done any research on user interface choices like focus follows mouse vs. click to focus, and wether windows or macos style menus are better/easier/faster? and if so any urls? |
| 10:45.53 | shinguz | ethichs: 50G on a usb pendrive? Geee... I want one too |
| 10:46.12 | deadcat | fatal_: due tomorrow (=. |
| 10:46.19 | ethichs | shinguz, usb hdd |
| 10:46.21 | deadcat | Gathond: ^^ |
| 10:46.29 | EfaistOs | i submited a project in alioth but didnt get any answer about it only one mail about the fact the project was submited ... |
| 10:46.34 | ethichs | shinguz, i mentioned it 2 times or so hehe |
| 10:46.45 | deadcat | i am just gonna add teh page number at the end to make it look like more shits |
| 10:46.47 | EfaistOs | do u know where i can have some infos ? |
| 10:47.05 | shinguz | ethichs: Oh. Try cp instead of some Gucci gui. And I am multitasking a bit here |
| 10:47.34 | ethichs | shinguz, np will try |
| 10:47.40 | shinguz | deadcat: Use a bigger font. Go from Times to something just a bit fatter, adjust the kerning and so on ;) |
| 10:48.06 | deadcat | i dont know how to add page number to each page in OO.org |
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| 10:48.29 | joel_ | good you reminded me, I need page numbers also.. |
| 10:48.40 | deadcat | how? |
| 10:48.46 | ethichs | input output error |
| 10:49.17 | ethichs | shinguz, input/output error and cannot break out |
| 10:49.21 | joel_ | deadcat: I working on a paper with open office, right now, and I forgot page numbers |
| 10:49.29 | shinguz | ethichs: I suspect some files are corrupt in that case. Or the drive has had some bad things happening to it? |
| 10:49.29 | deadcat | (= |
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| 10:50.09 | ethichs | shinguz, cool...woult it perhaps be ntfs readonly being glitchy? |
| 10:50.42 | saitan | #ati channel seem to be empty - hope someone can help me here - question follows |
| 10:50.52 | saitan | my server is using agpgart enventhough UseInternalAGPGART is set to yes |
| 10:50.57 | shinguz | ethichs: You never mentioned ntfs I think. ntfs is evil. Sorry, it is Evil ? |
| 10:51.02 | shinguz | !ntfs |
| 10:51.03 | dpkg | i heard ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html, or captive, ... |
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| 10:51.07 | saitan | fglrx does not load if agpgart is not loaded first |
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| 10:51.32 | saitan | kernel 2.6.11.9 I followed the instructions of Flavio's howto |
| 10:51.33 | shinguz | ethichs: What I am saying here is that the problems may ery well be because of ntfs |
| 10:51.45 | Thanatermesis | procmailrc: what are MAILDIR and DEFAULT variables? Im not understand... how to write ? |
| 10:51.58 | erich | Thanatermesis: VAR=value |
| 10:52.04 | ethichs | shinguz, yeah i figured but it came ntfs from my brother....ill swap it over to fat32 once ive got the data off |
| 10:52.08 | Thanatermesis | ... |
| 10:52.16 | erich | Thanatermesis: like in shell. |
| 10:52.28 | shinguz | ethichs: Bah, just make it ext3 and go pure linux |
| 10:52.38 | Thanatermesis | MAILDIR are my destination or origin of the mails ? |
| 10:53.08 | saitan | erich: thanks - tuxracer seems very slow with the opensource driver |
| 10:53.14 | erich | Thanatermesis: I don't remember. its somewhere in the man page. |
| 10:53.26 | Thanatermesis | Im not understand the manpage.. |
| 10:53.36 | ethichs | shinguz, hes windows....games mainly |
| 10:53.39 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.40 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:53.48 | erich | saitan: noone could tell me that the other drivers are faster. tuxracer is fine on my laptop with the OSS drivers though. |
| 10:53.53 | Thanatermesis | sorry for the flow |
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| 10:54.02 | Fred21 | Hello, what's up |
| 10:54.35 | shinguz | ethichs: You need a bigger lart in that case. A baseballbat is usually pretty good, pepperspray has also proven to be very effective |
| 10:55.00 | shinguz | !tell Thanatermesis about paster |
| 10:55.11 | saitan | erich: thanks - I will try the opensource driver again again |
| 10:55.12 | Thanatermesis | :/... |
| 10:55.37 | Thanatermesis | good help boys, thanks.. |
| 10:55.40 | Thanatermesis | any person help me please ? |
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| 10:55.57 | Fred21 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.04 | Fred21 | is it an old kernel ? 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:56.10 | KungFu | no |
| 10:56.21 | KungFu | I use the same kernel |
| 10:56.24 | jiffa | anyone an idea why i get permission denied after mounting a samba share? and on another linux box the 1:1 same mount command works fine |
| 10:56.33 | Fred21 | KungFu: on kernel.org it's 2.6.11, why debian is the " 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:57.17 | jiffa | i can't access the diretory on box #2 |
| 10:57.17 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
| 10:57.17 | shinguz | Fred21: Why the hell would you want to keep on installing the latest kernel all the time? |
| 10:57.20 | Fred21 | KungFu: is it the last stable kernel 2.6.8-2? |
| 10:57.31 | shinguz | jiffa: Check the permissions and the smb.conf |
| 10:57.48 | shinguz | Fred21: What version you run? |
| 10:57.54 | shinguz | Of Debian tha tis |
| 10:57.56 | jiffa | why smb.conf ? |
| 10:58.00 | jiffa | i mount a remote samba share |
| 10:58.06 | jm_ | ^rob^: wtf is that labelname? |
| 10:58.07 | Fred21 | shinguz: debian sarge |
| 10:58.21 | Thanatermesis | es que nadie es capaz de echarme una puta mano ? |
| 10:58.34 | Fred21 | what's the command to know the version of debian? |
| 10:58.34 | shinguz | Thanatermesis: WTF was that? |
| 10:58.45 | Thanatermesis | wrong channel |
| 10:58.52 | liable | Thanatermesis: english please |
| 10:58.55 | shinguz | Fred21: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:58.55 | liable | oh |
| 10:59.14 | KungFu | Fred21,yes |
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| 10:59.41 | shinguz | jiffa: I am not sure what the real problem is but I have a feeling that the two setups you are talking about are not quite identical or you would nto have such problems with them |
| 10:59.43 | groton | hello all. is there an easy way to create a DVD Video from a avi/mpeg file? im on a Debian system |
| 10:59.44 | Thanatermesis | in english: how to configure procmail ? |
| 10:59.56 | Thanatermesis | WTF are the MAILDIR and DEFAULT variables? |
| 10:59.59 | KungFu | even number = stable kernel |
| 11:00.03 | jiffa | heh i just copied the other mount.smbfs (an old one) |
| 11:00.05 | jiffa | and now it works |
| 11:00.11 | jm_ | man procmail ; man procmailrc ; www.procmail.org |
| 11:00.14 | shinguz | jiffa: See :) |
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| 11:00.30 | jiffa | looks like the debian sarge smbfs package is somewhere "weird" |
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| 11:00.32 | Thanatermesis | good helps THANKS ! |
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| 11:00.36 | shinguz | yw |
| 11:00.52 | liable | heh, impatient :) |
| 11:00.52 | shinguz | thanatermesis seems to have some problems |
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| 11:01.14 | Fred21 | shinguz: cat /etc/debian_version is 3.1 in my shell, is it good? |
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| 11:01.21 | shinguz | That is the best way to get help here. Swear and cuss people and *DEMAND* attention ;) |
| 11:01.35 | liable | haha |
| 11:01.40 | shinguz | Fred21: Sarge in that case. The latest kernel in Sarge is 2.6.8 afaik |
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| 11:01.42 | erich | shinguz: apparently is english is so bad he doesn't understand the man page. but its not easy to say it differently... |
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| 11:01.46 | elirips | if i download a source-debian-package, how do i create a .deb out of it? |
| 11:02.00 | shinguz | erich: Yup. RTFM is RTFM in any language |
| 11:02.16 | Kream | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:02.23 | jm_ | elirips: unpack, use debuild |
| 11:03.46 | Unskill3d | where do i set the daufault window manager? i want to try out xfce |
| 11:03.46 | deadcat | i dont know how to add page number to each page in OO.org |
| 11:03.48 | Fred21 | shinguz: the other distributions are "2.6.11", why debian sarge is the 2.6.8? |
| 11:03.54 | elirips | jm_: thx |
| 11:04.20 | deadcat | Fred21: because they are lazy... just compile your own or get 2.6.10 from unstable. |
| 11:04.21 | shinguz | Fred21: Because Sarge is not intended to be bleeding edge in the first place, the point with Sarge is that it is stable |
| 11:04.26 | TheIceCreamGuy | why is the new debian 3.1? shouldn't it be 4.0 or something like that. Or if even a marketing hyperjump we could have Debian 9.0 :p |
| 11:04.46 | shinguz | Fred21: Besides, do you have a real legitimate need to get the latest kernel on the box? |
| 11:05.04 | liable | deadcat: 2.6.11 even |
| 11:05.12 | liable | from sid |
| 11:05.18 | shinguz | TheIceCreamGuy: Ask the developers. Not to mention that Debian does not market anything |
| 11:05.27 | deadcat | TheIceCreamGuy: because debian instend to be around for a long time. we all know that once a distro/os hits X or 10. its done for |
| 11:05.44 | Fred21 | i would like to change Options+Indexes to Options-Index in Apache 1.3.33 |
| 11:05.55 | deadcat | liable: does +.1 really gonna help you that much diff? |
| 11:05.57 | Kream | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.11 | shinguz | Fred21: And you get what good things out of that change? |
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| 11:06.26 | liable | deadcat: no, wasnt saying that, just pointing out 2.6.11 is in sid |
| 11:06.28 | deadcat | common, nobody here use OO? just want to add number on each page. |
| 11:06.29 | shinguz | Fred21: You run a real live server on such a new kernel? Nuts say I |
| 11:06.30 | TheIceCreamGuy | lol, thats funnyly true... when they reach 10 they seem to be absorbed or merge with another distro... wierd. |
| 11:06.40 | Fred21 | shinguz: it's a protection when you set Options-Indexes |
| 11:06.50 | Kream | deadcat: it's possible |
| 11:07.00 | EmleyMoor | I've noticed since upgrade that dates are showing up in yyyy-mm-dd format in ls, rather than the way they did before... why would that be? |
| 11:07.05 | Kream | deadcat: do you want it at the top or bottom ? |
| 11:07.09 | shinguz | Fred21: Do you need the 2.6.11 for it in the first place? |
| 11:07.22 | Fred21 | no |
| 11:07.30 | TheIceCreamGuy | EmleyMoor, doesn't that have to do with the locale ? |
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| 11:07.55 | EmleyMoor | TheIceCreamGuy: I guess so - so that must have changed... |
| 11:08.00 | Fred21 | i'm just installing clamav but the version on ftp is 0.84 but i received a msg "Your version is outdated" |
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| 11:08.53 | EmleyMoor | All seems to be en_GB |
| 11:09.05 | deadcat | Kream: bottom. |
| 11:09.05 | shinguz | Fred21: Your version. What version? Kernel? And do you really update your kernel because someone has just come up with a new totally untested kernel so you an run it on your live server? 2.4 would be better at this point imho |
| 11:09.18 | deadcat | Kream: my essay touches ONE line on page 5 )= |
| 11:09.27 | Kream | that's okay. |
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| 11:09.38 | deadcat | well. its 5 pages (= |
| 11:09.42 | Kream | deadcat: what you ened to do is this : |
| 11:09.46 | deadcat | even though page 5 is 1 line |
| 11:09.54 | Fred21 | shinguz: my clamav version is 0.84 and kernel 2.6.8 |
| 11:10.06 | Kream | deadcat: insert / footer |
| 11:10.09 | EmleyMoor | 2.6.8 is evil! |
| 11:10.25 | TheIceCreamGuy | When debian reaches 10.0, we can merge with Kelloggs... Debikloggs 1.0, that sounds good. |
| 11:10.28 | EmleyMoor | 2.6.anythingelse is better if you really need 2.6 |
| 11:10.40 | deadcat | Kream: ah (= |
| 11:10.43 | Kream | deadcat: then go to the footer, centre the text (assuming you want p.nos in the centre) |
| 11:10.57 | Kream | deadcat: and then insert/ fields : page number |
| 11:11.06 | Fred21 | i'm looking for a tutorial for "Postfix, clamav" do you know it |
| 11:11.07 | shinguz | Fred21: If you want the latest and greatest, just install something else there. A kernel is one single deb that you can dpkg -i or /msg dpkg kp |
| 11:11.08 | deadcat | cool. let me try |
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| 11:11.20 | Kream | deadcat: what I do is Page [pagenumber] of [pagecount] |
| 11:11.28 | Unskill3d | where do i set the daufault window manager? i want to try out xfce |
| 11:11.37 | Fred21 | i'm use apt-get to update and upgrade my packages |
| 11:11.44 | deadcat | Kream: genious my boy (= |
| 11:11.47 | giupy | Unskill3d, xsession |
| 11:11.50 | shinguz | Fred21: The point still remains that I would personally not run a live server on 2.6 yet |
| 11:12.00 | Unskill3d | giupy: k thx |
| 11:12.09 | kjparker | ok, many moons ago i had a work collegue who was quite handy with a linux box, he had the xserver configured in such a way that he could use a windows xserver client to connect to it |
| 11:12.11 | Kream | deadcat: not really... i just adminned a univ lab running oo build 641 two years ago |
| 11:12.26 | Kream | deadcat: can you help me out, though ? |
| 11:12.27 | deadcat | (= |
| 11:12.32 | kjparker | and work in the session as if you were infront of the xwindows session. |
| 11:12.36 | deadcat | Kream: sure. whats up |
| 11:12.50 | Kream | deadcat: I have a fairly basic query for dpkg-query that I can't find the answer for in the manpages / online... |
| 11:12.51 | kjparker | anyone know of any documentation that might point me in the direction of how to achieve that? |
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| 11:13.00 | Kream | deadcat: how do I get dpkg-query to show an updated list of packages ? it currently shows me packages which i've removed using apt-get remove |
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| 11:13.18 | EmleyMoor | kjparker: There was a suite of programs called Vista-eXceed that could achieve that - though it's not free |
| 11:13.20 | jm_ | kjparker: you need display manager running on it |
| 11:13.21 | shinguz | Ah, the other box begins to start up again |
| 11:13.39 | deadcat | Kream: example |
| 11:13.46 | jm_ | kjparker: and it has to accept remote connections |
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| 11:13.50 | kjparker | he used all free stuff, and iirc he didn't install anything extra, only configure stuff |
| 11:14.05 | kjparker | it was a rh6 box, but i assume debian can do the same |
| 11:14.10 | jm_ | it was either that or VNC |
| 11:14.16 | Kream | deadcat: dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -n | tail -n 3 |
| 11:14.16 | Kream | 33043 mozilla-thunderbird |
| 11:14.16 | Kream | 40108 libwine |
| 11:14.18 | kjparker | it wasn't vnc |
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| 11:14.56 | Kream | deadcat: apt-get remove mozilla-thunderbird |
| 11:14.57 | jm_ | then it was achieved via XDMCP |
| 11:15.04 | Kream | deadcat: Package mozilla-thunderbird is not installed, so not removed |
| 11:15.17 | deadcat | Kream: --purge? |
| 11:15.35 | jbmigel | nfs-kernel-server VS nfs-user-server? which one do i want with 2.6.8-k7 kernel you think? |
| 11:15.43 | lef | resiak, may I have 5 mins of your time please? |
| 11:16.10 | drac | jbmigel: kernel, allways just kernel. but this is only an opinion based on experience :P |
| 11:16.16 | deadcat | Kream: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -P |
| 11:16.19 | EmleyMoor | jbmigel: If you run a 2.6.8 kernel at all you are mad, but kernel, I would say |
| 11:16.36 | deadcat | Kream: this will remove all the config files of pkgs that were remove but still has config fiiles around |
| 11:16.48 | Kream | deadcat: ahhhhh |
| 11:16.50 | Kream | lovely ): |
| 11:16.53 | Kream | :) rather |
| 11:16.56 | deadcat | lovely indeed (= |
| 11:16.58 | jbmigel | Emley do you mean 2.6.8 and nfs do not get alone or you have issues with 2.6.8 besides the point? |
| 11:17.29 | kjparker | actually iirc, i think he used a "trial" version of x-win32 to connect.... |
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| 11:18.12 | kjparker | extended trial.... |
| 11:18.16 | deadcat | Kream: i am going to sleep. its 0417am and i need to brush my teeth. (= thanks a bunch lad. *giggling like a school girl* |
| 11:18.25 | EmleyMoor | 2.6.8 has memory leaks |
| 11:18.29 | KungFu | Do you use kde 3.4 ?? |
| 11:18.39 | Kream | deadcat: heh. 4:40 PM here |
| 11:18.43 | shinguz | KungFu: /topic |
| 11:18.51 | deadcat | Kream: your clock is off (= |
| 11:19.02 | Kream | deadcat: no doubt. in a relativistic sense. |
| 11:19.03 | deadcat | KungFu: no we dont use kde. |
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| 11:19.14 | mediafly_ | Hi, I've an USB scanner connected to my laptop. Now, I have to change the permissions to use it as a normal user. How to I figure out which device the scanner is connected to? |
| 11:19.15 | jbmigel | EmleyMoor thats cool i have lots of ram ;) thanks to you and drac for suggestion ima put it in the kernel |
| 11:19.18 | KungFu | oh, use what |
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| 11:20.02 | EmleyMoor | jbmigel: All your "lots" of RAM will go if you hit the problem... you're better off with 2.6.[anything-but-8] |
| 11:20.05 | shinguz | mediafly_: dmesg should have some information on them. Do not change the permissions on the device itself, just add the user to the appropriate group instead. Safer |
| 11:20.09 | chealer | what's a login shell? alternatively, what's the difference between su and "su -"? |
| 11:20.12 | deadcat | KungFu: osx of course |
| 11:20.26 | shinguz | deadcat: Not OS/2? :p |
| 11:20.46 | KungFu | deadcat, mac osx ? |
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| 11:22.23 | mediafly_ | shinguz: Ive already added my user name to the group "scanner" in /etc/group but that didn't help. Xsane is still running just as root |
| 11:22.30 | abrocadabro | KungFu: /j #kde |
| 11:23.00 | KungFu | oh... |
| 11:23.02 | shinguz | mediafly_: You *did* logoff/logon after the modification? |
| 11:23.04 | EmleyMoor | mediafly_: Is the scanner device owned by the group "scanner"? |
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| 11:23.22 | mediafly_ | shinguz: Yes |
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| 11:23.42 | KungFu | Ubuntu is based on debian ? |
| 11:23.47 | BlueSmurf | KungFu, yes |
| 11:23.54 | shinguz | KungFu: Unfortunately |
| 11:24.02 | mediafly_ | EmleyMoor: I don't know ;) Where can I check it? |
| 11:24.06 | Kream | KungFu: you could just read the ubuntu website |
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| 11:24.19 | EmleyMoor | mediafly_: First off, what interface is the scanner? |
| 11:24.19 | Kream | KungFu: the very first page mentions it |
| 11:24.21 | BlueSmurf | shingouz, why unfortunatly ? |
| 11:24.21 | shinguz | mediafly_: What do you get when you do an ls -l on the scanner? |
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| 11:24.51 | shinguz | BlueSmurf: Because there are some eedyots who do not go to #ubuntu to ask questions about it but show up here |
| 11:24.52 | mediafly_ | EmleyMoor: Its a USB Umax Astra 1220U |
| 11:25.10 | EmleyMoor | mediafly_: Is that supported by libusb? |
| 11:25.14 | BlueSmurf | shingouz, aah, ok. that used to happen a lot with knoppix ... |
| 11:25.29 | EmleyMoor | (I'm more knowledgeable about Epsons having had both a SCSI and a USB one) |
| 11:25.47 | mediafly_ | shinguz: what do you mean with scanner? there are no /dev/scanner |
| 11:25.49 | shinguz | BlueSmurf: And Kurumin and Ubuntu and Kanotix and and and. dpkg has factoids about them too already |
| 11:25.51 | chealer | !based on debian |
| 11:25.51 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 11:25.59 | mediafly_ | EmleyMoor: yes, since it works as root |
| 11:26.07 | shinguz | mediafly_: The usb device the scanner connects to.. |
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| 11:26.26 | EmleyMoor | mediafly_: That doesn't follow... it could be libusb or it could have its own device node |
| 11:26.28 | chealer | BlueSmurf: ubuntu has surpassed all other for use of #debian redirecting service |
| 11:26.44 | EmleyMoor | I'd be tempted to look at the USB tree |
| 11:26.57 | EmleyMoor | (beyond that, I'm not sure, tbh) |
| 11:27.12 | mediafly_ | shinguz: but, thats my problem. I don't know the usb device the scanner is connected to. How can I figure this out |
| 11:27.27 | BlueSmurf | I was gonna LOL but I suppose if your'e on here a lot and get a load of bummers demanding help for those distros its not funny anymore :) |
| 11:27.33 | EmleyMoor | mediafly_: Does xsane show you any device details when run as root? |
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| 11:27.50 | VoX | what is the syntax to get apt-get to reinstall a package? i cant work it out :( |
| 11:28.08 | liable | mediafly_: lsusb |
| 11:28.11 | chealer | BlueSmurf: oh, I feel understood! :) |
| 11:28.16 | mediafly_ | EmpleyMoor: the scanner was working with xsane on a friends Debian box |
| 11:28.38 | shinguz | mediafly_: dmesg |
| 11:28.38 | liable | VoX: apt-get remove --purge foo , apt-get install foo |
| 11:29.00 | liable | VoX: man apt-get |
| 11:29.06 | shinguz | BlueSmurf: Want to see how much fun it is? |
| 11:29.13 | abrocadabro | mediafly_:maybe you should try to run xsane under console for further details in regards to what causes the access deny |
| 11:29.21 | mediafly_ | EmleyMoor: hmm, when I run xsane as root, I get "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server". What was the command to fix it? |
| 11:29.25 | VoX | liable: yeah i just got confused |
| 11:29.26 | BlueSmurf | shinguz, mmmm, not realy no :p |
| 11:29.37 | mediafly_ | liable: lsusb does not tell me the device name |
| 11:29.41 | jm_ | mediafly_: / /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 11:29.42 | VoX | liable: apt-get install --reinstall foo is what i wanted :) |
| 11:29.43 | jm_ | bah |
| 11:29.51 | EmleyMoor | mediafly_: Did you su? If so, use sux instead |
| 11:29.57 | VoX | liable: i had install --reinstall around the wrong way |
| 11:30.05 | liable | mediafly_: yah, shinguz psot, dmesg |
| 11:30.06 | EmleyMoor | sux doesn't |
| 11:30.19 | shinguz | BlueSmurf: Just sit here and someone will eventually do a knoppixsmite or something as horrid to some luser who Just Does Not Get It (tm) |
| 11:30.27 | EmleyMoor | In fact, sux rox! |
| 11:30.33 | BlueSmurf | I used to be here a lot, before... but I only run one debian. And work keeps me on windows platform (well and games :) ) |
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| 11:31.01 | mediafly_ | liable: dmessage: "USB disconnect, address 2" and "new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address " |
| 11:31.02 | kjparker | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.36 | liable | !knoppixsmite kjparker |
| 11:31.39 | BlueSmurf | shinguz, I can talk. I came for help using tomcat :). But go pros are to be found here. Helpful and friendly |
| 11:31.42 | Kream | shinguz: yeah, what's that ? |
| 11:31.48 | BlueSmurf | go = good |
| 11:31.52 | Kream | ahh |
| 11:31.57 | kjparker | lol |
| 11:32.14 | Kream | very (no pun intended) apt. |
| 11:32.18 | BlueSmurf | kjparker, r u on knoppix ? |
| 11:32.24 | liable | mediafly_: nothing else? |
| 11:32.24 | kjparker | nope |
| 11:32.25 | mediafly_ | EmleyMoor: ok, sux works. no, xsane doen not show me any details on the device |
| 11:32.29 | kjparker | sarge here |
| 11:32.32 | mediafly_ | liable: no |
| 11:32.38 | EmleyMoor | mediafly_: Does it allow you access to it? |
| 11:32.39 | BlueSmurf | aah, LOL |
| 11:32.59 | liable | mediafly_: adress hda1, hdb1? |
| 11:33.00 | mediafly_ | EmleyMoor: yes, a preview works |
| 11:33.03 | shinguz | Kream: Huh? |
| 11:33.05 | kjparker | i used to have a knoppix hdd install, but i took the plunge |
| 11:33.18 | EmleyMoor | mediafly_: OK - what does it say in the title bars of the windows? |
| 11:33.22 | Kream | shinguz: nm, i just wanted to know what a knoppixsmite was |
| 11:33.22 | abrocadabro | mediafly_: what does xsane say under console? try to run that under console |
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| 11:33.49 | shinguz | Kream: There are many more smites on the bots to tell you the truth |
| 11:33.55 | SEwt | i have user1 and user2 added.. user1 can view user2's homedir.. and user2 can view user1's home dir.. how to make that user1 can view user2's homedir? |
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| 11:34.05 | jethro | !gentoosmite me |
| 11:34.05 | mediafly_ | EmpleyMoor: hold on please, I'll check it |
| 11:34.21 | jm_ | SEwt: that doesn't make sense - they already see it |
| 11:34.22 | tarzeau2 | what should i do if i want to point python to python2.2, something with update-laternatives ? (it's python2.1 now) |
| 11:34.31 | liable | mediafly_: unplug it, plug it in again, run dmesg | tail, post the output to flood |
| 11:34.33 | Kream | shinguz: is there someplace I can see them or do I have to get several klines to see them ? ;) |
| 11:34.34 | kjparker | is there a redhatsmite? |
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| 11:34.44 | kjparker | :) |
| 11:34.52 | SEwt | jm_: a-a.. it says permission denied |
| 11:34.56 | shinguz | Kream: You can /msg dpkg |
| 11:34.58 | tarzeau2 | kjparker: you can teach her about it |
| 11:35.05 | jethro | kr/msg the boty |
| 11:35.07 | liable | !listkeys *smite |
| 11:35.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of '*smite' by key (14 of 110): 000smite ;; CMD: badgersmite (.*?) ;; CMD: beersmite (.*?) ;; CMD: bofhsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: btssmite (.*?) ;; CMD: cmd: nvzsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: danwsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: knoppixsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: lilosmite (.*?) ;; CMD: meepsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: nvidiasmite (.*?) ;; CMD: petsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: rumsfeldsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: topicsmite (.*?). |
| 11:35.46 | jethro | Kream: /msg the bot |
| 11:35.47 | jm_ | SEwt: user2 has different permissions on his/her home dir |
| 11:35.49 | kjparker | !rumsfeldsmite me |
| 11:35.58 | kjparker | lol |
| 11:35.59 | jethro | haha |
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| 11:36.31 | Kream | wow |
| 11:36.35 | Kream | now that's cool |
| 11:36.37 | mediafly_ | EmleyMoor: an info window just says "Device: 003" |
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| 11:37.02 | EmleyMoor | OK - that's a libusb device reference - not sure how to work with permissions on that... |
| 11:37.03 | bykte | which is recommended? php4 or php5? |
| 11:37.32 | jm_ | bykte: since when was php5 in Debian? |
| 11:37.57 | BlueSmurf | bykte, I always see what the ISP offer. |
| 11:37.57 | mediafly_ | liable: dmesg: "usb 3-2: USB disconnect, address 2" "usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address " "usb 3-2: USB disconnect, address 3" "usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4" |
| 11:38.07 | bykte | BlueSmurf ok |
| 11:38.10 | bykte | jm_ sorry then |
| 11:38.14 | bykte | i think you meant php4 |
| 11:38.14 | BlueSmurf | bykte, you are safer with PHP 4 for real apps (IMO) |
| 11:38.25 | bykte | opinion taken, thanks |
| 11:38.41 | BlueSmurf | bykte, but if you just want to learn, go for PHP 5, no use in learning something soon to be obsolete |
| 11:38.43 | liable | mediafly_: you have hotplug installed? |
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| 11:38.59 | chealer | I want to know what's a login shell, does somebody know good not too long doc about shells? |
| 11:39.06 | ethichs | Xlib: extension "XVideo" missing on display ":0.0"....is this a config issue? |
| 11:39.11 | EmleyMoor | chealer: A login shell is the shell run at your login |
| 11:39.33 | liable | hmm |
| 11:39.34 | EmleyMoor | It loads your profile, among other differences from a normal shell |
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| 11:39.54 | jm_ | chealer: man bash |
| 11:40.03 | jm_ | read the INVOCATION section |
| 11:40.06 | mediafly_ | liable: yes, it's in the kernel "CONFIG_HOTPLUG=y" |
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| 11:40.29 | chealer | jm_: ok, thanks |
| 11:40.34 | mirak | hçi |
| 11:40.34 | mirak | Is it possible to export a device on another machine ? |
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| 11:40.44 | liable | mediafly_: dpkg -L hotplug |
| 11:40.54 | EmleyMoor | mirak: What kind of device? |
| 11:40.54 | abrocadabro | ethichs: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:40.55 | mirak | for exemple make machine A able to read directly on the device /dev/cdrom of a machine B |
| 11:41.12 | jm_ | mirak: it's better if you use NFS for that |
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| 11:41.16 | mediafly_ | liable: yes, dpkg: /sbin/hotplug |
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| 11:42.00 | DebianUser | Help, rpm -ivh fglrx_4_1_0-8.12.10-1.i386.rpm; return cant open Packages index, how do i fix this ? |
| 11:42.15 | jm_ | debian: by read /usr/share/doc/rpm/* |
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| 11:42.21 | jm_ | DebianUser ^^^^^^^^^ |
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| 11:42.31 | empika | hallooo |
| 11:42.35 | jez | after 'cmd 2>&1', how do i stop stderr being redirected to stdout and restore it back to what it was before? |
| 11:42.45 | drac | DebianUser: Are you really running XFree 4.1.0? |
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| 11:43.01 | DebianUser | drac, how do i check ? |
| 11:43.06 | drac | DebianUser: X -version |
| 11:44.46 | DebianUser | 4.1.0.1 / X Window system |
| 11:44.46 | drac | Oh, that's old school ;) |
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| 11:44.47 | karim | EmleyMoor jm_ : I want to know if it's feasible for a TV video card |
| 11:44.47 | directhex|work | DebianUser, debian isn't RPM based |
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| 11:44.47 | karim | so I ask generally if it's possible |
| 11:44.47 | Burgundavia | I need a legal person of a question about the cube licence |
| 11:44.47 | drac | DebianUser: Have you compiled your own kernel, or configured kernel sources to match your running kernel? fglrx needs more than just kernel-headers package. |
| 11:44.47 | DebianUser | directhex|work: www.ati.com only provide thats |
| 11:44.47 | K_Dallas | hi guys! i am trying to compile a package and make gives me this error: |
| 11:44.47 | SEwt | jm_: and how to change it? |
| 11:44.48 | K_Dallas | lwlib-config.c:33:55: Xm/Xm.h: No such file or directory |
| 11:44.48 | K_Dallas | lwlib-config.c:52:6: warning: "XmVersion" is not defined |
| 11:44.48 | jm_ | karim: if what is feasible? |
| 11:44.48 | empika | where does deb keep its smbpasswd file.. not the exe, the one that stores the pwds? thx |
| 11:44.48 | K_Dallas | what am i missing here? |
| 11:44.48 | jm_ | SEwt: chmod |
| 11:44.48 | DebianUser | drac, even i dunno what is "kernel", im ex windoze use |
| 11:44.48 | karim | I am more interested in the general case |
| 11:44.48 | DebianUser | user* |
| 11:44.48 | drac | DebianUser: And btw, apt-get install alien, alien fglrx_4_1_0-8.12.10-1.i386.rpm, you'll get an .deb out of it. |
| 11:44.58 | karim | jm_: doable ? |
| 11:45.00 | jm_ | empika: it depends on your samba version |
| 11:45.13 | jm_ | karim: no, I meant what are you talking about, are you mirak? |
| 11:45.19 | DebianUser | drac, where i can that .deb ? |
| 11:45.22 | karim | jm_: what ? |
| 11:45.30 | drac | DebianUser: Then you won't have much luck with currect X version, or those drivers. You need an upgrade to Sarge, to get XFree 4.3.0 and then you can follow Flavio Stancinas instructions. /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 11:45.32 | karim | jm_: oh I am karim |
| 11:45.45 | shinguz | DebianUser: apt-get install alien |
| 11:45.48 | directhex|work | DebianUser, that's nice, but 1) for fuck's sake, DON'T TRY AND USE DEBIAN 3.0 AS A GAMING 3D DESKTOP 2) google for "ati flavio" |
| 11:45.48 | karim | jm_: hem mirak |
| 11:45.52 | karim | jm_: I am mirak |
| 11:45.53 | empika | um |
| 11:45.58 | drac | DebianUser: what directhex|work said. believe it. |
| 11:46.02 | abrocadabro | K_Dallas: apt-file search Xm.h |
| 11:46.08 | streuner | !ati |
| 11:46.08 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 11:46.09 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 11:46.22 | jm_ | karim: but your nick was mirak when you asked about exporting device, right? |
| 11:46.26 | empika | im running samba 3.0.14a |
| 11:46.39 | karim | jm_: yes because I was on another client |
| 11:46.56 | K_Dallas | abrocadabro, do we have apt-file at all, well i do not have it, i usually use apt-cache search, should i install another apt tool? |
| 11:47.01 | mirak | jm_: so I am mirak again |
| 11:47.36 | jm_ | samba 3 defaults to tdbsam for passwords |
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| 11:47.39 | DebianUser | directhex|work, which linux should i use that compatible with Cedega4.3.2 from transgaming.org ? |
| 11:47.44 | jm_ | mirak: no, it's not possible in general |
| 11:47.52 | empika | ok jm_ |
| 11:47.53 | directhex|work | !d-i DebianUser |
| 11:47.54 | dpkg | DebianUser, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:47.54 | liable | mediafly_: you actually have a driver for it? |
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| 11:48.07 | abrocadabro | K_Dallas: yes, apt-get search, is for the packages, apt-file tells you the files in which package, then ypu can install missing packages |
| 11:48.08 | K_Dallas | abrocadabro, apt-cache is only refering me to mahjongg which cannot be what i am missing |
| 11:48.08 | jm_ | empika: man pdbedit, man tdbbackup |
| 11:48.30 | K_Dallas | abrocadabro, apt-file, command not find |
| 11:48.38 | empika | basicly i need to get the smb users from one machine onto another.. |
| 11:48.39 | K_Dallas | need to install something then, but what? |
| 11:48.41 | empika | ah ok |
| 11:48.43 | streuner | !installit |
| 11:48.43 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 11:48.44 | abrocadabro | K_Dallas : apt-get install apt-file |
| 11:48.51 | empika | i guess i could use tdbbackup for that right? |
| 11:48.53 | K_Dallas | oh :) eveidently ;) thanks |
| 11:49.18 | K_Dallas | i thought there was an apt and anything else was part of it |
| 11:49.38 | K_Dallas | well apt-file found nothing :( |
| 11:49.42 | abrocadabro | K_Dallas: once finished, apt-file update && apt-file search Xm.h |
| 11:49.47 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 11:50.34 | abrocadabro | K_Dallas: it finds 4 package for sid |
| 11:50.45 | mediafly_ | liable: yes, as root xsane is working fine |
| 11:50.47 | abrocadabro | K_Dallas: actually 5 |
| 11:50.58 | K_Dallas | i am updating and i have a mix of sarge and sid and experimental ;) |
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| 11:51.24 | HansZ | Hello everyone |
| 11:51.25 | mediafly_ | are there any debian packages to view flash files without a browser? |
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| 11:51.45 | HansZ | How to stop the x-server? ctrl+alt+backspace goes back to the login screen.. |
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| 11:51.58 | jm_ | there's swfplayer, not sure how good it is |
| 11:52.04 | EmleyMoor | mediafly_: flashplayer? It may be possible to run it standalone |
| 11:52.15 | jm_ | and I don't think it's packaged |
| 11:52.23 | liable | mediafly_: yes just re-read that, what happens as user, permission denied? |
| 11:52.24 | abrocadabro | HansZ: are you using xdm, kde or gdm or stuff like that? |
| 11:52.27 | jm_ | HansZ: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 11:52.32 | shinguz | HansZ: You need to stop the display manager. /etc/init.d/ *dm stop |
| 11:52.33 | directhex|work | HansZ, don't use nvidia.com installers. |
| 11:52.40 | HansZ | abrocadabro, I don't know, just did apt-get install x-window-system wmaker |
| 11:52.52 | ethichs | abrocadabro, i was trying to run xawvt...i have a pver card im trying to make work with myth tv |
| 11:53.03 | DebianUser | how do i changes 3D settings ? at my glxinfo, direct rendering always return: "no", i want to change to "Yes/Enable" |
| 11:53.08 | HansZ | directhex|work, why should i.. i don't have nvidia card |
| 11:53.10 | mediafly_ | EmleyMoor: flashplayer is not an Debian package |
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| 11:53.36 | directhex|work | HansZ, 9/10 of "how do i stop x" queries are due to messages from nvidia-installer |
| 11:53.50 | HansZ | directhex|work, okay, i don't blame you for that :) |
| 11:53.51 | abrocadabro | ethichs: try to put extmod in your XF86Config-4 in Module section and see what happens |
| 11:54.18 | directhex|work | DebianUser, it will only say yes if you have a working 3d driver installed |
| 11:54.20 | abrocadabro | ethichs:Load extmod in Section "Module" |
| 11:54.26 | directhex|work | DebianUser, what hardware are you using? |
| 11:54.43 | HansZ | shingouz, It says it not started |
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| 11:54.53 | ethichs | opening XF*^Config-4 sec |
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| 11:54.54 | DebianUser | directhex|work: at WindozeXP its should be ATI Radeon 9600SE |
| 11:54.56 | HansZ | shingouz, my pc is lieing :P |
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| 11:55.12 | shinguz | HansZ: But you still cannot shut off X. The dm has to be running there |
| 11:55.32 | directhex|work | DebianUser, r300 cards are supported in 2d by the ati driver, in xfree86 4.3 (debian sarge or sid). for 3d, you need to correctly install and configure fglrx. |
| 11:55.43 | mynullvoid | how do I run passive server |
| 11:55.44 | HansZ | shinguz, how to stop it? |
| 11:55.49 | directhex|work | !tell HansZ about nodm |
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| 11:55.57 | abrocadabro | HansZ: what does ps ax|grep dm say |
| 11:55.58 | shingouz | I already told you a few lines up, HansZ |
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| 11:56.14 | directhex|work | x-window-system installs xdm. |
| 11:56.29 | HansZ | directhex|work, not very nice of that package :> |
| 11:56.41 | directhex|work | HansZ, why not? |
| 11:56.48 | abrocadabro | HansZ: /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 11:56.52 | HansZ | directhex|work, because i can't stop my Xserver |
| 11:56.58 | js_ | how can i find out the cd label of a cd disc? |
| 11:57.04 | directhex|work | HansZ, /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 11:57.08 | ethichs | abrocadabro, you think thats all i need? |
| 11:57.11 | HansZ | directhex|work, it says its not running |
| 11:57.20 | jm_ | js_: isoinfo |
| 11:57.25 | abrocadabro | ethichs : have a go |
| 11:57.36 | EmleyMoor | ftp.ie.debian.org seems much faster than ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 11:57.50 | empika | deb uk is real slow at the moment |
| 11:57.54 | empika | why? |
| 11:58.00 | HansZ | directhex|work, ok, manauly killed it.. works now :) |
| 11:58.22 | jethro | !lart me |
| 11:58.22 | abrocadabro | directhex|work : restart in xterm will drop you back to console anyway, the difference is, as far as I know, stop will make your screen go crazy, I may be wrong but |
| 11:59.20 | bykte | any nice bandwidth monitor for debian besides bwm and nload ? |
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| 11:59.52 | jethro | bykte: ntop? |
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| 12:00.16 | bykte | ok let me see |
| 12:01.11 | abrocadabro | ethichs: how did you go? |
| 12:01.14 | priest | bykte: iftop? if you are looking for a lightweight ;) |
| 12:01.27 | bykte | ok trying both |
| 12:01.42 | bykte | is ntop gui based? |
| 12:01.45 | bykte | or just for command line? |
| 12:01.52 | petemc | its got a web frontend |
| 12:01.52 | bykte | how about iftop? |
| 12:01.59 | jethro | bykte: iptraf fits some needs as well |
| 12:02.07 | petemc | as i remember it, ntop used to be a command line tool |
| 12:02.15 | priest | bykte: ntop has a webgui |
| 12:02.15 | jm_ | or jnettop |
| 12:02.37 | jethro | petemc: it has a web gui |
| 12:02.42 | petemc | jethro: i know |
| 12:02.44 | shingouz | Ahhh.. time for some caffeine and a smoke |
| 12:02.49 | petemc | < petemc> its got a web frontend |
| 12:03.00 | jethro | oops sorry |
| 12:03.06 | petemc | but it used to be a command line tool, i cant seem to locate that functionality now |
| 12:03.17 | jm_ | nettop |
| 12:03.56 | pure | where can I find a howto to install java on debian and firefox? |
| 12:03.58 | Kream | there's a huge file with a single word on every line - how do I get a each word on the same line ? |
| 12:04.14 | ethichs | abrocadabro, will reboot in sec just waiting on a DL |
| 12:04.16 | EmleyMoor | pure: Using sarge? |
| 12:04.22 | jm_ | Kream: tr |
| 12:04.29 | pure | EmleyMoor: yea |
| 12:04.56 | EmleyMoor | Install java-package - you can then make the java SE into a package that will install and work easily |
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| 12:06.06 | pure | could'nt find package java-package .. |
| 12:06.16 | EmleyMoor | Hold on... |
| 12:06.17 | abrocadabro | Kream: what does cat file |awk '{print $1}' say? |
| 12:06.18 | directhex|work | !info java-package |
| 12:06.20 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 12:06.25 | shuveb | hi, what is the command to manage start up services in debian? |
| 12:06.25 | Quag7 | bykte, there is also Etherape if you have X installed. |
| 12:06.32 | EmleyMoor | Ah yes, it's in contrib |
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| 12:06.35 | Quag7 | That's a very cool bandwidth metering tool |
| 12:06.43 | jm_ | shuveb: update-rc.d or sysv-rc-conf or ... |
| 12:06.43 | directhex|work | !tell pure about non-free sources |
| 12:06.47 | abrocadabro | ethichs: don't need reboot, just restart X |
| 12:06.54 | shuveb | jm_: thanks man |
| 12:07.15 | pure | thanks will try that .. thats gonna help .. |
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| 12:07.58 | EmleyMoor | contrib is software which is itself free but needs software which isn't, as I understand it |
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| 12:08.21 | directhex|work | EmleyMoor, that's correct |
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| 12:08.48 | ircdevil | i am trying to get this microphone to work with alsa. the way to test a mic is cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp and i should be able to hear myself? |
| 12:09.25 | EmleyMoor | ircdevil: I would suggest using something like snd and checking your mixer settings thoroughly |
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| 12:10.24 | ircdevil | EmleyMoor: i have gone over amixer settings carefully, but i dont see anything wrong. there is unmuted, capture is turned on, and volumen is turned up. |
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| 12:12.57 | abrocadabro | ircdevil: what does alsamix say in Mic? |
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| 12:13.44 | salahuddin | LEAVE |
| 12:14.17 | metalhen | hi. someone here, who can help me with debian installer and amd64? |
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| 12:15.37 | metalhen | when debian installer does 'installing base system' I get "no entry for main/binary-amd64/Packages" any hint what I can do? |
| 12:15.38 | KungFu | metalhen, you should download debian version for 64 cpu |
| 12:15.51 | streuner | metalhen: #debian-amd64 |
| 12:15.58 | Kream | abrocadabro: it still gives me a word on each line |
| 12:16.00 | ircdevil | abrocadabro: http://130.226.106.174/~paste/cgi-bin/1116418911.html |
| 12:16.04 | streuner | metalhen: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 12:16.33 | metalhen | KungFu: I guess there is currently no real build for 64bit? last netinstall image I found is from end of april. |
| 12:16.57 | abrocadabro | Kream: goedel from #awk, says, note, this is his idea, awk <file '{printf("%s ", $0)} END {print ""}' |
| 12:17.36 | abrocadabro | Kream: from the same person, another way of doing it: sed <file ':a;N;$!ba;$s/\n/ /g' |
| 12:18.09 | KungFu | metalhen, maybe, but i think it's better than the version for 32bit |
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| 12:19.56 | abrocadabro | ircdevil: sry, I was asking did it say muted in alsamixer |
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| 12:20.28 | ircdevil | abrocadabro: no, its unmuted |
| 12:20.39 | ircdevil | abrocadabro: sound works fine. mic dont. |
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| 12:22.36 | abrocadabro | ircdevil: in Mic section, it isn't like MIC[off] ? it just took me a long time to figure this out, you may got it right anyway |
| 12:22.40 | Kream | abrocadabro: thanks ! |
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| 12:23.28 | abrocadabro | Kream: I suggest you go to #awk and thank goedel |
| 12:23.30 | ircdevil | abrocadabro: no - its on |
| 12:23.53 | abrocadabro | ircdevil : maybe your case is different from mine, no idea, sry |
| 12:24.00 | ircdevil | abrocadabro: ok |
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| 12:25.00 | jiffa | my debian sarge hangs at "Preconfiguring packages ..." |
| 12:25.06 | jiffa | i tried a apt-get clean |
| 12:25.08 | jiffa | no change |
| 12:25.16 | jiffa | any idea ? |
| 12:26.28 | jiffa | hmz |
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| 12:27.21 | jiffa | anyone ? |
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| 12:27.43 | naturalr00ts | hi |
| 12:27.47 | jethro | !tell jiffa -about enter |
| 12:27.55 | jethro | !tell jiffa -about smart questions |
| 12:28.15 | jiffa | hrm |
| 12:28.21 | jiffa | it hangs on apt-get install shfs-utils |
| 12:28.23 | naturalr00ts | how i enable login i uw-imapd? |
| 12:28.28 | jiffa | and stops at preconfiguring packages |
| 12:28.40 | naturalr00ts | * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS LOGINDISABLED] localhost.localdomain IMAP4rev1 |
| 12:28.53 | naturalr00ts | LOGINDISABLE... i need enable login... |
| 12:28.58 | naturalr00ts | somone knows this? |
| 12:29.24 | jiffa | it looks like thhis package is damaged, but i just updated the package list |
| 12:29.36 | streuner | jiffa: /j #flood |
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| 12:30.10 | garung | hey people is /usr/bin/gcc just a symlink? |
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| 12:30.26 | streuner | yes |
| 12:30.29 | asg | garung: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc (what does it say) |
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| 12:30.46 | garung | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 May 17 10:56 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-3.3 |
| 12:30.55 | asg | garung: there you go then |
| 12:31.14 | aidehua | I'm running apt-get in woody, trying to connect to an FTP server that allows anonymous login without a password, but apt-get expects a password prompt. |
| 12:31.16 | garung | thanks asg |
| 12:31.23 | aidehua | Can I trick apt-get into not requiring a password? |
| 12:31.28 | aidehua | (It works fine in sarge :/ ) |
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| 12:32.13 | Wyzard | hmm... I'd thought /usr/bin/gcc was an alternatives link rather than a direct link |
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| 12:33.27 | asg | Wyzard: cc is, gcc isn't |
| 12:33.27 | chealer | Wyzard: there's one for cc |
| 12:33.39 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 12:34.35 | Wyzard | garung: Nevermind what I told you yesterday about using update-alternatives to change the gcc symlink... if you really need to change it, you can just change it directly, but you shouldn't do that |
| 12:35.24 | garung | how do i use gcc3.4 Wyzard |
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| 12:35.36 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! I have muted my sarge by installing something, gstreamer or other stuff, cannot recall. How would it be possible to recover the sound? thanks |
| 12:35.45 | garung | will it mess up if i change it? |
| 12:35.49 | kokoko1 | which bittorrent client is aviable via apt-? |
| 12:35.50 | bob2 | garung: ./configure CC=gcc-3.4 |
| 12:35.51 | K_Dallas | (ecsound maybe!) |
| 12:35.54 | bob2 | don't fuck with the symlinks |
| 12:35.55 | bob2 | please |
| 12:35.55 | kokoko1 | i can't find Azureus |
| 12:36.00 | garung | oh |
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| 12:36.08 | bob2 | kokoko1: apt-cache search bittorrent |
| 12:36.12 | garung | thanks bob2 |
| 12:36.16 | Cyanophytes | anyone here use their mobile phone as a usb modem in linux? |
| 12:36.32 | Wyzard | kokoko1: Azureus is in the contrib section in both testing (sarge) and unstable |
| 12:36.58 | chealer | nice links chain :) /usr/bin/cc -> /etc/alternatives/cc -> /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-3.3 |
| 12:37.03 | Wyzard | Cyanophytes: I would, and I've read that my phone supports it, but the necessary cable costs $30 |
| 12:37.07 | elephantman | Is there a way to auto kill overloading processes ? |
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| 12:37.14 | Wyzard | chealer: man update-alternatives |
| 12:37.29 | kokoko1 | which other client you refer? |
| 12:37.31 | asg | elephantman: man 5 limits.conf |
| 12:37.38 | kokoko1 | imean bittorrent client |
| 12:37.42 | bob2 | kokoko1: run the command I said |
| 12:37.47 | bob2 | it will show you at least two others |
| 12:37.50 | kokoko1 | bob2, done |
| 12:37.55 | Wyzard | chealer: It's done that way because /usr might be mounted read-only, but /etc isn't |
| 12:37.58 | Cyanophytes | Wyzard: I got the cable |
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| 12:38.06 | kokoko1 | give me 5 applications |
| 12:38.31 | kokoko1 | bob2, i'm asking the best one probably gui |
| 12:38.45 | Wyzard | Cyanophytes: It *should* work to load the usb-serial module and then treat it as a serial port, but I don't know that for sure since I haven't done it myself |
| 12:38.55 | Wyzard | kokoko1: Azureus is pretty good IMO |
| 12:38.59 | Cyanophytes | Wyzard: Do you know of any links that can help me? |
| 12:39.09 | Wyzard | Cyanophytes: I don't, sorry |
| 12:39.15 | Cyanophytes | thanks |
| 12:39.18 | kokoko1 | Wyzard, i duno howto apt-get azurus |
| 12:39.25 | chealer | Wyzard: I thought it made sense even without considering that |
| 12:39.59 | Cyanophytes | Wyzard: works good in XP |
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| 12:40.12 | Wyzard | kokoko1: I said a few minutes ago, it's in contrib -- thus you'll need to have contrib in your sources.list |
| 12:40.31 | kokoko1 | Wyzard, pal i'm new to debian world :) |
| 12:40.31 | Wyzard | kokoko1: You also need to have Java installed; you can use "java-package" for that |
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| 12:41.10 | Wyzard | kokoko1: Do you know about main vs. contrib vs. non-free? |
| 12:41.23 | kokoko1 | nope |
| 12:41.31 | kokoko1 | Wyzard, gtg later mate |
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| 12:42.52 | elephantman | asg: ok thanx |
| 12:45.01 | resiak | lef: Mmm? |
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| 12:46.16 | Bebabo | how do i list installed unstable (sid) packages ? |
| 12:46.32 | streuner | all? |
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| 12:46.45 | streuner | Bebabo: dpkg -l |
| 12:46.53 | chealer | Bebabo: apt-show-versions |grep unstable |
| 12:46.56 | streuner | Bebabo: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:47.01 | Bebabo | thx chealer |
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| 12:47.28 | pure | I have done the apt-get install java-package .. how do I get it to work with firefox .. any help appreciated? |
| 12:47.38 | Bebabo | my pb is i can't install apache atm 'broken packages' and since i do not want anymore any unstables anyhow i consider downgrade all unstable packages |
| 12:47.56 | jm_ | pure: man make-jpkg |
| 12:48.05 | streuner | Bebabo: can you give us an answer to our question? |
| 12:48.07 | pure | thanks jm |
| 12:48.17 | directhex|work | !downgrade |
| 12:48.18 | dpkg | downgrade is, like, not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 12:48.39 | drac | pure: java-package only provides you command called make-jpkg. Now download SUN Java J2RE 1.5 from www.java.com (Not the RPM one, the Self-Extracting one.), run as normal user: fakeroot make-jpkg name_of_that_java_you_downloaded.bin, and you'll get a .deb out of it. |
| 12:49.31 | Bebabo | streuner: only the unstables. and then i already was able to do a successfull downgrade from (completely) unstable to testing with pinning (whatever dpkg is saying) |
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| 12:49.53 | pure | drac: which directory should I put it in? |
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| 12:50.00 | pure | when I do that? |
| 12:50.01 | streuner | Bebabo: that wasn't my question |
| 12:50.08 | streuner | Bebabo: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:50.12 | jm_ | pure: man make-jpkg tells you |
| 12:50.19 | drac | pure: to your homedirectory? once, you have the .deb, install it as root: dpkg -i name_of_the_generated.deb. |
| 12:50.28 | pure | thankyou ..;) |
| 12:50.29 | drac | pure: and it'll create symlinks for firefox automatically. |
| 12:50.30 | bykte | is there any good bandwidth graph generator? |
| 12:50.43 | jm_ | bykte: munin |
| 12:50.48 | asg | bykte: rrdtool |
| 12:50.55 | Bebabo | 2.3.2.ds1-20 |
| 12:51.13 | bykte | thanks |
| 12:51.17 | bykte | i just tried bwbar and it stinks |
| 12:51.19 | streuner | !info libc6 sarge |
| 12:51.22 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-21 (sarge), Packaged size: 4786 kB, Installed size: 15556 kB |
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| 12:51.37 | bykte | jm_ munin not found in apt-cache |
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| 12:51.50 | streuner | Bebabo: What distro do you running actually? |
| 12:51.55 | jm_ | bykte: it's in Sarge |
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| 12:52.18 | bykte | asac, rrdtool - Time-series data storage and display system (programs) |
| 12:52.20 | Bebabo | vanilla debian net install |
| 12:52.24 | bykte | this one? |
| 12:52.27 | lef | resiak, I was having a discussion with directhex about ox and he suggested I ask to talk to you |
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| 12:52.44 | streuner | Bebabo: d-i? |
| 12:52.59 | Bebabo | what's d-i ? |
| 12:53.00 | asg | bykte: yes, data is stored in a round robin database and another tool is used to produce graphs from that data (both in the same package.) munin is just a frontend to rrdtool btw. |
| 12:53.03 | resiak | !d-i |
| 12:53.03 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 12:53.13 | Bebabo | no, the old one |
| 12:53.23 | streuner | Bebabo: just edit your sources.list and put only 'sarge' line into |
| 12:53.25 | Bebabo | i have this box running for a few years now |
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| 12:53.50 | resiak | lef: Sure, go for it! /msg me to reduce channel spam. |
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| 12:55.32 | flame | does debian run on macintosh ? |
| 12:55.41 | shanti | ye |
| 12:55.46 | shanti | on powerpc |
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| 12:56.17 | asg | flame: http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 12:56.51 | resiak | !ppc |
| 12:56.51 | dpkg | well, ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
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| 12:57.23 | flame | should i wait for the sarge to come out or download the cds right now ? (it will take a few days to download them all) |
| 12:57.33 | directhex|work | flame, why do you need them all? |
| 12:57.48 | flame | i have no idea, an url with what they conatin please ? |
| 12:57.52 | shingouz | flame: If you are adventurous enough you can run it even on the m68k |
| 12:57.54 | resiak | !d-i flame |
| 12:57.56 | dpkg | flame, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 12:59.34 | z|bandito | hi |
| 12:59.40 | gilead | I'd like to rotate X screen by 90 degrees -- where can I read about it? None of X HOTWOs from tldp.org seem to mention it. |
| 12:59.50 | z|bandito | how can i launch a binary and leave it running after i log out? |
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| 13:00.02 | asg | z|bandito: screen |
| 13:00.04 | petemc | z|bandito: screen |
| 13:00.08 | gilead | z|bandito: use screen (apt-get install screen) |
| 13:00.09 | petemc | *bam* |
| 13:00.17 | z|bandito | ok, but i don't understand the syntax.. |
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| 13:00.23 | z|bandito | i'll look again |
| 13:00.41 | directhex|work | gilead, xrandr |
| 13:01.02 | gilead | directhex|work: thanks |
| 13:01.11 | flame | ok, so i should go with sarce, not woody ? |
| 13:01.15 | resiak | flame: Yes. |
| 13:01.16 | flame | sarge* |
| 13:01.18 | paulswm | z|bandito: if it is a batch type binary, you can background it prefixed by nohup, or run it under 'at' also |
| 13:01.24 | flame | hmm, will it come out this year ? |
| 13:01.27 | resiak | !wwsr |
| 13:01.28 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. The current estimate is that it will be released around May 30th. Latest release update: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20050503.194632.8f44e65b.en.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. Sarge takes too long? ask me about <vancouver> |
| 13:01.46 | paulswm | Clever, factoid says May 30th but not the year. |
| 13:01.48 | flame | MAY 30 !!!!!! ??? |
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| 13:02.02 | directhex|work | !!!! |
| 13:02.02 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 13:02.05 | Eclipser | this year :) |
| 13:02.09 | z|bandito | nohup command ? |
| 13:02.33 | asg | z|bandito: if you wish, it depends on the program being run. screen is usually safer. |
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| 13:02.46 | z|bandito | thanks :) |
| 13:02.49 | chealer | !sarge pool 5 |
| 13:02.49 | dpkg | i heard sarge pool 5 is ! bodq=2005-06-10 Gnea=2005-08-01 Badman=2005-09-15 LSorensen=2005-07-01 Phleg=2005-05-11 TBBle=2005-06-30 GooZ=2099-12-31 RolandU=2005-07-01 alejandro=2005-06-15 Joris=2005-04-07 DavidS=2005-06-30 dob=2005-03-15 RememberPOL=2005-02-16 dan2=2005-04-15 blk=2005-02-12 marinos=2005-04-31 SquareRt=2005-05-15 zumbi=2005-06-23 Anthro=2005-02-07 Amaranth=2005-01-20 jon787=1901-12-13 ricky_clarkson=2005-11-06 cheal=2005-05-13 |
| 13:02.53 | flame | umm then i should wait another 1-2 weeks maybe, to get it ? |
| 13:02.57 | chealer | !lose cheal |
| 13:02.58 | dpkg | cheal: You Lose. |
| 13:03.18 | paulswm | z|bandito: nohup allows a backgrounded process to continue running when the session dies, it's name means "no hang up" |
| 13:03.26 | paulswm | s/it's/its/ |
| 13:03.45 | greycat | but screen is better. |
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| 13:04.09 | z|bandito | how do i detach ? |
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| 13:04.34 | paulswm | greycat: if I'm going to run a batch type process, I'm going to use at, not screen, I am not a big fan of nohup anyway |
| 13:04.37 | flame | will it come out on dvd on may 30th 2005 ? |
| 13:05.11 | chealer | flame: why do you want to wait that it's released? do you need it to be secure? |
| 13:05.15 | asg | flame: may 30th is still just an estimate, it will release when ready. |
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| 13:05.45 | flame | well so i don't waste the download (2 full days) on a test version ? |
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| 13:05.52 | garung | everyone ever got echo back from xchat this message |
| 13:05.53 | garung | Error in server callback Nested quantifiers in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/^#linuxdc++ <-- HERE $/ at (eval 2) line 37. |
| 13:05.59 | asg | flame: dude, just get the small netinstall disc |
| 13:06.00 | paulswm | Which is something you don't say to your management or users in the IT profession, you give a date and stick to it, "whenn it's ready' gets you fired. |
| 13:06.18 | garung | it happends when everyone type |
| 13:06.41 | asg | paulswm: and IT people understand that deadlines are never met. |
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| 13:06.53 | chealer | flame: directhex asked you why do you need them all? |
| 13:07.09 | flame | chealer and i asked for a list of what each contains, i have no idea if i need them all |
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| 13:07.18 | chealer | flame: there's no such list |
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| 13:07.44 | nnnn | no channel for nvu? |
| 13:07.51 | directhex|work | flame, they're ordered by popularity of the packages. xfree86, gnome, kde et al at the start, only-1-person-uses-these crap on 15 |
| 13:07.57 | directhex|work | nnnn, #linspire? |
| 13:07.57 | chealer | nnnn: try at irc.mozilla.org |
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| 13:08.06 | paulswm | asg: I would estimate that at least 75% of our projects are on time and under budget. |
| 13:08.12 | nnnn | good idea. |
| 13:08.17 | flame | oh great, then i should get the first two :p |
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| 13:08.25 | paulswm | The trick is to do a good estimate in the first place. |
| 13:08.26 | asg | paulswm: in what field? |
| 13:08.31 | Drim | where does courier-imap look for users ? in /etc/passwd ? |
| 13:08.36 | chealer | flame: or a netinstall disc |
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| 13:08.49 | petemc | Drim: you can tell it where to look |
| 13:08.55 | chealer | flame: unless you have good reasons to need full CDs |
| 13:08.56 | asg | paulswm: agreed, getting good requirements out of the morons here is near impossible. |
| 13:08.58 | Gathond | paulswm: but you are working hard on rectifyign that, right? ... cant have people in the industry doing that you know:) make the rest look bad |
| 13:08.59 | flame | chealer i'm not confortable to wait so much during installation, i can only download 100mbytes/hour |
| 13:09.01 | Drim | ah ? |
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| 13:09.29 | chealer | flame: get 1 CD if you can't operate without X then |
| 13:09.44 | chealer | actually without some heavy DE |
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| 13:09.57 | flame | X is on cd1 ??? |
| 13:10.03 | chealer | yes |
| 13:10.08 | paulswm | Application developent and deployment, vendor systems deployment, infrastructure, etc. The worst is vendor systems deployment, you have to have a contract that allows you to grab them by the balls. |
| 13:10.10 | flame | oh great then that's all i need |
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| 13:10.48 | flame | http://ftp.lug.ro/debian-cd/images/3.0_r5/i386/debian-30r5-i386-binary-1.iso this is good, right ? |
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| 13:10.57 | chealer | flame: no, that's woody |
| 13:11.03 | chealer | !d-i flame |
| 13:11.03 | dpkg | flame, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:11.13 | paulswm | asg: We make our customers sign a formal requirements document, that's the key to preventing scope creep which many of our savvier users are very good at. |
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| 13:11.58 | z|bandito | thanks guys, got another cpu folding.. i'm team earth2willi.com btw |
| 13:12.12 | z|bandito | thanks again , seeya , bbl.. gotta restart |
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| 13:12.19 | z|bandito | =p |
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| 13:13.10 | flame | anyone here from romania ? |
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| 13:14.32 | resiak | !ru |
| 13:14.33 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 13:14.36 | resiak | Erm... |
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| 13:14.47 | nunez | Is there a program that will convert an avi file to a VCD? |
| 13:14.52 | hdkiller | Hello, i have a pptpd issue, i think it's an MTU related problem, but i don't know how to fix it, google don't helped too much. Anybody has experience whit PPTPD and winxp as client? I know it's a bit offtopic here, so answers welcomed in msg too. Thank you! |
| 13:15.29 | asg | paulswm: ah, such luxury :) |
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| 13:16.06 | zxclkjqwe | nunez: i believe mencoder can do that (may be wrong) |
| 13:16.07 | flame | hmm, they're pasting wierd ascii in #debian-russian :) |
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| 13:16.21 | asg | flame: sto eta? |
| 13:16.54 | flame | sto what ? |
| 13:17.07 | asg | nevermind |
| 13:17.14 | directhex|work | flame, they're posting using a character encoding you don't support |
| 13:17.33 | directhex|work | this is why everyone should use UTF-8 |
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| 13:17.54 | chealer | I asked on a french channel earlier and there wasn't even a consensus about that |
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| 13:18.14 | chealer | I do use UTF-8 though |
| 13:18.27 | flame | utf-8 is a font standard or what ? |
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| 13:18.37 | topyli | finnish channels generally still stick to iso8859-15. utf8 gets you kicked |
| 13:18.48 | topyli | on ircnet anyway |
| 13:18.59 | directhex|work | UTF-8 is a character encoding. |
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| 13:19.09 | flame | like ascii ? |
| 13:19.12 | flame | and unicode ? |
| 13:19.22 | directhex|work | UTF-8 _IS_ unicode |
| 13:19.29 | egg | http://img269.echo.cx/img269/8228/1240489nd.jpg |
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| 13:19.56 | flame | heh, old one, i have it too |
| 13:20.13 | kneet | Is ppa module still the right way to use old parallel ZIP100 drives under a 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:20.26 | Cyanophytes | in debian how can I see what devices are connected to the usb ports |
| 13:20.35 | streuner | lsusb |
| 13:20.39 | EdibleText | hdkiller, you should explain what you are trying to do, what you expect to happen and what is actually happening. it may or may not be an MTU issue |
| 13:20.42 | chealer | there's a difference between Unicode and UTF-8 according to wikipedia |
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| 13:21.08 | nomed^ | hi |
| 13:21.12 | Cyanophytes | streuner: That gets me a command not found |
| 13:21.23 | AssO | 3 |
| 13:21.34 | AssO | sorry |
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| 13:21.45 | nomed^ | is there a better way to debug my linuxrc then reboot each time? |
| 13:22.02 | petemc | your what? |
| 13:22.04 | Cyanophytes | streuner: is there a package I need to apt-get |
| 13:22.04 | streuner | Cyanophytes: /msg dpkg search |
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| 13:22.22 | nomed^ | linuxrc file .. the script that reside in initrd |
| 13:22.47 | asg | nomed^: just run it with both start and stop arguments |
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| 13:23.07 | hdkiller | EdibleText, i think it is. I dumped the network, and low traffic are going fine, (like icmp, ftp control messages etc..) but when i try to get big packets, the peer tries to resend me, so i think it's an mtu related problem |
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| 13:23.39 | hdkiller | EdibleText, i also read thru several docs about that, (spent 9 hours of debugging, no other idea what can be wrong) |
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| 13:23.40 | EdibleText | hdkiller, so change it and observe |
| 13:23.45 | ethics | can anybody tell me how i can upgrade alsa in my sagre build without changing kernels to an unstable? |
| 13:23.51 | hdkiller | EdibleText, the question is; HOW? |
| 13:24.06 | hdkiller | EdibleText, i changed the ppp0 interface mtu to 1000, but i have a winxp clients.. |
| 13:24.13 | EdibleText | hdkiller, now thats a good question :) |
| 13:24.19 | streuner | ethics: install alsa-source |
| 13:24.21 | nomed^ | eNd seems to be a porno bot |
| 13:24.31 | mrbuckets | please kick him |
| 13:24.33 | hdkiller | EdibleText, after i try to hack the registery of the winxp to get lower mtu, it's simply dosn't connect.. |
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| 13:24.41 | streuner | ethics: or/and use the source of cvs |
| 13:24.43 | keith | d1 |
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| 13:25.08 | ethics | downloading alsa-source atm...2 mins..im on dialup hehe |
| 13:25.15 | fhffhqvb | k... so the bot is only msg'ing people who start with m now |
| 13:25.16 | giupy | there can be a problem reading a cd made with NTIcdmaker ? |
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| 13:25.25 | ethics | im just trying to get my ICH6 chipset support |
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| 13:26.23 | fhffhqvb | Madkiss: if you /cycle the channel, does eNd spam you? |
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| 13:26.40 | davis | hello |
| 13:26.43 | LoRez | fhffhqvb: nope |
| 13:26.48 | fhffhqvb | like i said. |
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| 13:26.50 | fhffhqvb | LoRez: i think it only spams people whose nicks start with 'm'. |
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| 13:26.57 | csorrell | Where should I look to find out how to log outgoing connections on my sarge box? |
| 13:26.58 | tra1a1a | ethics: if the newer alsa packages depend on unstable you have no other options but to compile |
| 13:27.01 | fhffhqvb | mrbuckets: and? |
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| 13:27.18 | ik-sparc | Debian is the same as ubuntu? |
| 13:27.22 | fhffhqvb | ik-sparc: no. |
| 13:27.31 | ik-sparc | oh |
| 13:27.36 | EdibleText | !ubuntu |
| 13:27.37 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story" |
| 13:27.52 | hdkiller | ah ;] |
| 13:27.59 | ethics | tra1a1a, apparently the 2.6.8 only has alsa 1.04 but 2.6.11 has alsa 1.08 which supports my card but is in sid |
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| 13:28.21 | ethics | im scared of sid..i installed the kernel to see how it booted and it had errors so i rana way |
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| 13:28.56 | tra1a1a | ethics: I'm running sid very heavily without any problems so far |
| 13:28.56 | ethics | im hoping i can go to 1.09 rc3 |
| 13:28.58 | greycat | ethics: 2.6.11 is known to be a bit dodgy, particularly debian's. |
| 13:29.05 | fhffhqvb | Madkiss: did it? |
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| 13:29.09 | Madkiss | fhffhqvb: no |
| 13:29.12 | fhffhqvb | :-| |
| 13:29.13 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 13:29.15 | fhffhqvb | damn random spambots. |
| 13:29.32 | streuner | now with delay... |
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| 13:29.39 | elephantman | Why everytime i ssh to a remote server i have to "source ~/.bashrc" to make it active |
| 13:29.51 | elephantman | Shouldn't it be auto ? |
| 13:29.52 | ethics | im forced to run sarge at work atm which is where i grab alot of my deb files for home |
| 13:29.54 | greycat | because you forgot to put source ~/.bashrc in ~/.bash_profile |
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| 13:30.06 | greycat | !wikifaq elephantman DotFiles |
| 13:30.06 | dpkg | elephantman: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:30.28 | elephantman | greycat: thanx |
| 13:30.32 | chealer | ethics: like tons of ERROR: removing something before syslogd starts? |
| 13:30.56 | tra1a1a | ethics: good for you - I'm force to use XP at work so I'm grabbing the entire dvd images of sid |
| 13:30.59 | ethics | yeah hehe |
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| 13:31.19 | chealer | ethics: that doesn't cause any problem for me and others apparently |
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| 13:32.02 | sussudio_ | ohwell. |
| 13:32.11 | ethics | cool well ill try a comile and see if it helps else ill look at the kernel ave again |
| 13:32.24 | mrbuckets | greycat: how'd you get so smart? |
| 13:32.33 | greycat | mrbuckets: who said I am? |
| 13:32.37 | ethics | streuner, so once i have alsa source what do i need to do /read |
| 13:32.50 | davis | tra1a1a: i use xp at work also. however I also do a lot of cygwin on xp though. |
| 13:32.58 | davis | tra1a1a: have you ever tried cygwin? |
| 13:32.58 | mrbuckets | greykat: been watchin you |
| 13:33.03 | streuner | ethics: the docs? |
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| 13:33.20 | ethics | kk hehe |
| 13:33.23 | mrbuckets | greycat: but not in a stalker way |
| 13:34.32 | gilead | where can I find what X drivers support RANDR extension? I have a Matrox card but mga driver don't support it. |
| 13:34.51 | dapa | When I try to add libapache-mod-php4 (4.3.11) from dselect, I get a message that the pachage depends on libmm11, and that libmm11 does not appear to be available. How can I fix this? (im using sarge) |
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| 13:35.27 | tra1a1a | davis: both cygwin and (lately) msys. I've based my backup solution at work on tar and bash from msys |
| 13:35.28 | chealer | dapa: PHP 4.3.11 isn't in debian |
| 13:35.37 | greycat | mrbuckets: I've been using Linux since 1993. |
| 13:35.57 | ik-sparc | hi, how can i change the repostories list? |
| 13:36.00 | egg | so waht? |
| 13:36.01 | asg | ik-sparc: apt-setup |
| 13:36.07 | ik-sparc | ok |
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| 13:36.23 | mrbuckets | greycat: do you love it? |
| 13:36.33 | ik-sparc | E: Invalid operation setup |
| 13:36.33 | davis | tra1a1a: good deal. |
| 13:36.43 | greycat | mrbuckets: some days. |
| 13:36.44 | asg | ik-sparc: type 'apt-setup' as root |
| 13:36.45 | davis | tra1a1a: I am unfamiliar with msys though. what is it? |
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| 13:36.51 | ik-sparc | yes as root |
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| 13:36.57 | davis | greycat: hello |
| 13:37.03 | asg | ik-sparc: not 'apt setup', 'apt-setup' |
| 13:37.05 | ik-sparc | sos-dhcp264:/home/uio# apt-get setup |
| 13:37.05 | ik-sparc | E: Invalid operation setup |
| 13:37.10 | asg | !moron ik-sparc |
| 13:37.11 | dpkg | ik-sparc: You are moron #88 |
| 13:37.23 | dapa | chealer: why is it in my dselect list then? (im confused) ;) |
| 13:37.24 | tra1a1a | davis: it's the gnu native tools for windows |
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| 13:37.34 | tra1a1a | kinda like cygwin but without the emulation |
| 13:37.37 | asg | dapa: because you have a bogus non-official source in there somewhere. |
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| 13:37.39 | ik-sparc | moron? |
| 13:37.48 | stew | dapa: you probably added dotdeb.org sources to your sources.list or something |
| 13:37.51 | davis | tra1a1a: cool. thanks for the tip! |
| 13:37.54 | EdibleText | !moron |
| 13:37.55 | dpkg | [moron] someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg" |
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| 13:37.59 | asg | ik-sparc: type '/usr/sbin/apt-setup' (no more, no less) |
| 13:38.14 | ik-sparc | ok |
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| 13:38.34 | jason__ | what steps do i have to take to compile kernel modules? I already installed and unziped the 2.6.8 kernel source. Should i then copy config-2.6.8.2-686 from /boot to /usr/src/linux/.config ? |
| 13:38.37 | lef | haha |
| 13:39.01 | davis | jason__: that will be a good start if you want to build your own kernel. |
| 13:39.18 | davis | after you opy, do "make oldconfig" |
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| 13:39.39 | destr0__ | I have have an executable linked against a library, the lib is in the same directory, but the executable can't find it. Is there a quick way to make the executable use the lib from the same directory? |
| 13:39.40 | davis | answer the questions and then do "make menuconfig" to examine your setup. |
| 13:39.52 | stew | jason__: you don't need kernel source to compile modules, just kenrel-headers, what are you trying to compile? |
| 13:40.00 | mrbuckets | jason__: I believe there should be a README file that walks you through it step by step |
| 13:40.05 | jason__ | stew, madwifi |
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| 13:40.26 | ik-sparc | asg thankyou :) now its workin |
| 13:40.35 | asg | you're welcome |
| 13:40.40 | ik-sparc | :) |
| 13:41.05 | stew | jason__: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 13:41.08 | gilead | where can I find x.org packages for Debian? Every link I find on google tells to just do it but I can't find where from :-/ |
| 13:41.20 | asg | gilead: /msg dpkg x.org |
| 13:41.33 | gilead | asg: thanks |
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| 13:42.10 | greycat | destr0__: the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable. See "man ld.so". |
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| 13:42.34 | jason__ | stew, i want to compile CVS though for wpa support |
| 13:43.29 | dapa | stew: thanks. I removed dotdeb, and now it seems to work. |
| 13:44.20 | ik-sparc | i get an error when i try to whatch mpg whith totem |
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| 13:45.16 | tra1a1a | is-sp: I really never got the idea of using anything else than mplayer for a video player |
| 13:45.46 | tarzeau2 | how was it again to use the stdout of two programs as stdin for another program |
| 13:45.56 | tarzeau2 | in zsh was it $() |
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| 13:46.27 | greycat | $() is the same as `` in sh/ksh/bash |
| 13:46.38 | greycat | what do you mean by "two programs"? |
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| 13:46.45 | tarzeau2 | no then it was something else |
| 13:46.48 | greycat | { program one; program two; } | program three |
| 13:46.50 | tarzeau2 | $< or som |
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| 13:47.01 | tarzeau2 | diff programoutputa programoutputb |
| 13:47.12 | greycat | diff <(program one) <(program two) in bash |
| 13:47.17 | tarzeau2 | and zsh? |
| 13:47.20 | greycat | who cares. |
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| 13:47.27 | tra1a1a | nice :) |
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| 13:48.16 | csorrell | How would I go about monitoring outbound connections...would I need to use iptables? |
| 13:48.17 | ethics | cool i think i have a working soundcard |
| 13:48.27 | ethics | amixer |
| 13:48.36 | jason__ | the madwifi readme says i'll need the kernel include files and build scripts |
| 13:48.50 | petemc | csorrell: i use ipac-ng, which uses iptables as its backen |
| 13:48.51 | petemc | d |
| 13:48.55 | jason__ | i installed kernel-headers-2.6-8-686 but it's still not working |
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| 13:48.56 | tarzeau2 | why would this log me out? diff <(dpkg -l |grep "ii dphys") <(ssh root@bludger "dpkg -l |grep "ii dphys" ") |less |
| 13:49.10 | tarzeau2 | i need (around the diff ) i guess |
| 13:49.15 | ik-sparc | to install mixer elements? |
| 13:49.33 | tra1a1a | greycat: is <(prog) going to execute prog and redirect its stdout? |
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| 13:49.59 | greycat | tra1a1a: in bash, it sets up a FIFO or a socket or uses a /proc trick (depending on the platform). Then it runs prog, connected to that FIFO. |
| 13:50.19 | greycat | tra1a1a: god only knows what it does in zsh. |
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| 13:51.05 | mendieta48 | hi |
| 13:51.14 | mendieta48 | anybody have problems with 2.4.30 and swapper? |
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| 13:52.29 | tra1a1a | that's so cool! I've wanted several times to diff some files sored and hated creating temporary files for the job |
| 13:52.29 | ik-sparc | any one knows how can i install a mixer? |
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| 13:52.46 | asg | mendieta48: swapper? |
| 13:52.48 | EdibleText | mendieta48, are you taking a poll? |
| 13:52.56 | mtnman | ik-spark: apt-get install aumix |
| 13:53.01 | ik-sparc | ok |
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| 13:53.45 | tarzeau2 | sucks when i get E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 13:53.52 | mendieta48 | asg, EdibleText : my linux box with 2.4.30 crash by swapper, the memory is down and crash after 2 or 3 days |
| 13:53.56 | ethics | Xlib: extension "XVideo" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 13:54.00 | jason__ | stew, what do i have to do to setup the kernel-headers? i installed kernel-headers-2.6.8-686 which extracted the headers to /usr/src/linux |
| 13:54.06 | asg | mendieta48: oh, you mean swap space? |
| 13:54.06 | tarzeau2 | can i not get all output of post/pre rm/install of dpkg logged to the screen or file? |
| 13:54.10 | ethics | anyone have any clues what causes this and how i can solve such an error |
| 13:54.12 | tarzeau2 | without redoing the package? |
| 13:54.25 | greycat | tarzeau2: see bug #957 |
| 13:54.32 | Eclipser | ethics, you need to load "xv" in X config |
| 13:54.34 | EdibleText | !swapper |
| 13:54.43 | asg | mendieta48: if swapon -a doesn't work, just recreate your swap partition (man mkswap) |
| 13:54.55 | ethics | Eclipser, so add load "XVideo" to config? |
| 13:54.59 | ethics | or Xv |
| 13:55.06 | Eclipser | load "xc" in module section |
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| 13:55.10 | Eclipser | "xv" |
| 13:55.11 | Eclipser | ... |
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| 13:55.33 | tra1a1a | ethics: you need both a video card and an X driver that support xvideo in order to use it |
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| 13:55.40 | tarzeau2 | greycat: am i right it'll only get in after sarge? |
| 13:55.44 | Unskill3d | hi all |
| 13:55.47 | greycat | tarzeau2: don't ask me. |
| 13:55.57 | greycat | tarzeau2: you know my history of getting my patches accepted into Debian. |
| 13:55.57 | tarzeau2 | damn, and i'm stuck with woody here |
| 13:56.07 | ethics | tra1a1a, nvidi using the debian howto |
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| 13:56.23 | ethics | tra1a1a, fx6200 |
| 13:56.25 | gilead | Eclipser, ethics: isn't it a built-in extension? |
| 13:56.29 | mendieta48 | asg, no, memory buffers down and the swapper crash the kernel |
| 13:56.38 | Unskill3d | where do i have to drop the gdm-xfce42.desktop file to set the xfce as window manager ? |
| 13:56.43 | ethics | gilead, shrug i dunno |
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| 13:56.50 | Eclipser | gilead, is it? can't remember |
| 13:56.55 | FlimFlamMan | is there speech recognition software for debian? |
| 13:56.57 | chealer | tarzeau2: very likely |
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| 13:57.06 | tra1a1a | ethics: nvidia cards only support xvideo with nvidia's binary drivers |
| 13:57.12 | slashzul | anyone know how to restore a users previous crontab settings |
| 13:57.17 | slashzul | from a backup |
| 13:57.17 | ethics | added ill reboot see what happens |
| 13:57.21 | gilead | are http://helion.xcyb.org/debian-xcyborg X.org packages any good? Or is there any other/better source of x.org Debian packages? |
| 13:57.29 | lazymanc | im hoping someone here has apache2 + php5 running on debian and can help me. |
| 13:57.33 | slashzul | is there a table or usch that stores the cronjobs? |
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| 13:57.36 | tra1a1a | ethic: do you have them installed? |
| 13:57.38 | xcyborg | gilead: they work for me :) |
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| 13:57.46 | greycat | slashzul: they're in files under /var. |
| 13:57.51 | gilead | xcyborg: thanks :-D |
| 13:58.01 | greycat | slashzul: but WHY do you think you need to know this? |
| 13:58.01 | mendieta48 | asg, my swap partition work fine |
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| 13:58.08 | lazymanc | I have apache2 installed and running, but it prompts for a download instead of executing php scripts |
| 13:58.21 | gilead | xcyborg: can you please confirm that X.org's Matrox driver supports RANDR extension? |
| 13:58.42 | tra1a1a | lazymanc: probably you don't have the php module installed |
| 13:58.49 | lazymanc | I have php5 installed from the dexter source listed at apt-get |
| 13:58.54 | lazymanc | .org |
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| 13:59.00 | si|vercat | what would you suggest for a laptop with 166mhz, 48meg ram and 2gb disk..? :) |
| 13:59.04 | xcyborg | gilead: I do not own any matrox card so I don't know/care :) |
| 13:59.13 | Cope | si|vercat: $35? |
| 13:59.24 | gilead | xcyborg: I try to rotate screen and XF86 driver don'g have them, I read that X.org's one does, but wouldn't like to reinstall X server just to find out it was in vain... |
| 13:59.29 | flame | so who cretes the packages available with apt-get, what do you do if you want a package that is not available ? |
| 13:59.32 | si|vercat | Cope: I mean what should be installed? :P |
| 13:59.39 | tra1a1a | lazymanc: there is an apache module that needs to be loaded for php. iinm it's called mod_php |
| 13:59.39 | gilead | xcyborg: k, will try :) |
| 13:59.46 | Cope | si|vercat: what do you want it to do? |
| 13:59.46 | si|vercat | Cope: is gnome too heavy for it? |
| 14:00.10 | si|vercat | Cope: *basic* desktop.. :) |
| 14:00.24 | lazymanc | http://channels.debian.net/paste/153 does this look ok? |
| 14:00.45 | lazymanc | i have libapache2-mod-php5 installed |
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| 14:00.53 | Cope | si|vercat: dunno, probably; |
| 14:00.53 | tarzeau2 | if i have a 30 line command, how can i jump to the middle? |
| 14:00.57 | tarzeau2 | (in the shell) |
| 14:01.08 | tarzeau2 | one line really |
| 14:01.12 | tarzeau2 | but it's like 30 lines long |
| 14:01.17 | ircdevil | after upgrade i get some "Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion" for different fonts in diffrent applications, xfig, galeon, etc - what are they? |
| 14:01.18 | si|vercat | Cope: would sarge with a lightweight windowmanager work ok..? |
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| 14:01.47 | greycat | tarzeau2: don't do that. write a script into a file. |
| 14:01.49 | ethics | nope think its a driver thing...sucks a bit hehe |
| 14:01.50 | tra1a1a | lazymanc: it's ok so far but is you apache config file loading the mod_php? |
| 14:01.50 | Cope | si|vercat: try it. I have a freebsd machine running ratpoison on a p133 with 32M of RAM |
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| 14:02.07 | EdibleText | si|vercat, you could run gnome but there is the human interaction latency factor to consider. Im sure it would inspire patience. |
| 14:02.09 | Cope | si|vercat: NOt tried linux on that machine, so i can't say. |
| 14:02.11 | lazymanc | possibly not, what do I need to put in it? (apache2.conf) ? |
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| 14:02.15 | greycat | tarzeau2: you can press 'v' to go into vi, if you're using bash in vi mode. Not sure about bash in emacs mode. Or zsh. |
| 14:02.31 | tra1a1a | ethics: as I said you will need the nvidia binary drivers to have xvideo |
| 14:02.34 | lazymanc | I have a php5.conf / php5.load in mods-available which I manually added |
| 14:02.43 | metaperl | is it common for the DHCP server to not be located when booting from the stable netinstall cd? |
| 14:02.44 | greycat | lazymanc: ask #php or #apache |
| 14:02.54 | Unskill3d | where do i set up X to use the xfce.desktop file ? |
| 14:02.55 | ethics | tra1a1a, and to get get those? |
| 14:02.58 | metaperl | should I opt to manually enter those values? |
| 14:03.00 | tra1a1a | lazymanc: read the fine manualls |
| 14:03.06 | Cope | si|vercat: in fact I used to have a p150 with 64M of ram, and that ran whatever bloat shipped with redhat at the time. |
| 14:03.11 | greycat | Unskill3d: usually ~/.xsession |
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| 14:03.25 | lazymanc | greycat I have mate, but couldn't get anywhere because the debian installation of apache is different |
| 14:03.35 | gilead | ethics: nvidia.com |
| 14:03.46 | lazymanc | I have tried using the standard documentation but nothing seems to match up |
| 14:03.46 | tra1a1a | ethics: ah, iinm there is a debian package - try apt-cache search nvidia |
| 14:03.52 | chealer | !tell ethics about nvidia-howto |
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| 14:04.19 | ethics | chealer yeah i did it the module-assist way |
| 14:04.20 | lazymanc | i.e. the httpd.conf file isn't used under debian?? |
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| 14:04.29 | chealer | ethics: did it work? |
| 14:04.29 | lazymanc | its apache2.conf instead |
| 14:04.38 | lazymanc | but that doesnt have any loadmodule lines in it |
| 14:04.42 | tra1a1a | lazymanc: try some more - there is a pretty wide installation of mod_php so I'm sure it is well documented |
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| 14:04.53 | ethics | chealer it seems to have...no errors and nvidia modules laoded and x running using it |
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| 14:05.03 | ethics | just no xvideo... |
| 14:05.06 | jason__ | i'm still trying to compile madwifi. what do i have to do to get this thing to work? |
| 14:05.08 | lazymanc | google doesn't bring up any debian specific installs except from source, and that one is a bit vague |
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| 14:05.20 | lazymanc | i've installed using apt-get |
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| 14:05.27 | chealer | ethics: no 3D app like glxgears works? |
| 14:05.52 | ethics | yup buzzing like a speedtrain |
| 14:06.07 | ethics | 1500-1600fps |
| 14:06.11 | tra1a1a | lazymanc: you need to be reading apache configuration manualls - apparently the module is already installed, now it needs to be configured |
| 14:06.22 | chealer | ethics: what app(s) produce the error? |
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| 14:06.32 | lazymanc | if there is someone here that has php5 / apache2 running on debian then I would be extremely greatful if they can tell me what I need to put in apache2.conf / and or php5.conf etc? |
| 14:06.34 | greycat | ethics: what did xvinfo say? what did xdpyinfo say? |
| 14:06.41 | ethics | xawtv,motv,kdetv |
| 14:06.43 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 14:06.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 14:06.49 | greycat | ^^^ php5. |
| 14:07.02 | ethics | greycat first ive heard of those lets see |
| 14:07.04 | greycat | (and if I had my way, that would apply to apache2 too. piece of shit.) |
| 14:07.16 | ricky_clarkson | Anybody opinionated here? |
| 14:07.17 | Eclipser | my glxgears runs only 2180~2800fps :< |
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| 14:07.26 | ethics | extension missing on display ":0.0". |
| 14:07.37 | ethics | xdpyinfo |
| 14:07.52 | diesel | I have noticed that from time to time kjournald uses a lot of the processing power of my machine. Is there any explanations why this is happening? |
| 14:08.16 | greycat | diesel: no DMA mode on your hard drive controller? |
| 14:08.17 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 14:08.29 | Eclipser | k3b jams when it tries to scan for cd devices :< |
| 14:08.30 | ethics | !paste |
| 14:08.30 | dpkg | well, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 14:08.34 | tra1a1a | ethics: grep -i xvideo /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 14:08.35 | greycat | diesel: you run a huge database or mail server? |
| 14:08.35 | lazymanc | tralala: the apache documentation doesn't refer to a debian installation - all the files are in different places / some dont exist etc |
| 14:09.02 | chealer | !tell ethics about msg the bot |
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| 14:09.06 | greycat | lazymanc: and you don't have grep(1) on your debian system, to find the files where they *are*? |
| 14:09.06 | diesel | greycat, no! just running samba on this machine |
| 14:09.14 | greycat | diesel: lots of writes by the users? |
| 14:09.41 | nomed^ | hi |
| 14:09.47 | diesel | greycat, that very well could be. It is 8:00 am here and many people are logging in to the machine |
| 14:09.49 | tra1a1a | lazymanc: check for apache2-doc package and /usr/share/doc/apache2 |
| 14:09.55 | ethics | heres the http://channels.debian.net/paste/154 |
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| 14:10.08 | lazymanc | greycat: i'm completely new to linux since a few days ago, unless it has a big looking glass icon on it labelled "search" i'm not likely to know about it yet |
| 14:10.09 | greycat | diesel: anything that produces a lot of writes on a journalled file system is going to cause the journal to do stuff. |
| 14:10.20 | nomed^ | during boot up what is the first script the system run? |
| 14:10.28 | greycat | lazymanc: then why in the name of fucking hell are you running apache2 and php5?? |
| 14:10.39 | Eclipser | anyone have any ideas? killall k3b (even with -9 -1) doesn't kill it and kill -9 -1 pid kills the whole X :) |
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| 14:10.49 | diesel | greycat, okay. Thanks. |
| 14:10.50 | greycat | Eclipser: -1 IS the pid. |
| 14:10.55 | metaperl | was I ignored? if I have DSL service, and it works (with windows), should a Debian netinstall CD recognize the DHCP server when booting from it? |
| 14:10.57 | lazymanc | greycat: because I need to learn how to? |
| 14:10.59 | Eclipser | greycat, duh :) |
| 14:11.05 | greycat | Eclipser: "kill -9 -1 pid" makes no sense. none. |
| 14:11.14 | Eclipser | roger, but still, it won't die |
| 14:11.29 | ricky_clarkson | Eclipser: pkill -9 k3b |
| 14:11.30 | nomed^ | because i made a linuxrc file but it seems it's not the first script the system search for .. so probably linuxrc is not the first |
| 14:11.35 | xoz | metaperl: no harm in trying. |
| 14:11.35 | greycat | lazymanc: why not just use shit that WORKS instead of raw, bleeding filth from the edge of sanity? |
| 14:11.49 | greycat | !magic hate ball |
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| 14:11.55 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
| 14:11.58 | streuner | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00852.html |
| 14:11.58 | ricky_clarkson | !literal magic hate ball |
| 14:11.59 | dpkg | magic hate ball is <action> shakes the Magic Hate Ball. All the world's problems are caused by... (udev|utf8|Javascript|Republicans|Democrats|non-free software|DJB|Red Hat|Gentoo|Knoppix|Ubuntu|ATi|nVidia|Compaq|GNU|emacs users|vi users|directhex|aRts|ESound|newbies|hyoomans)! |
| 14:12.00 | ballessay | metaperl: do you use a router? |
| 14:12.04 | lazymanc | because I was using php5 on windows and it was working fine |
| 14:12.13 | ricky_clarkson | DJB? |
| 14:12.19 | ethics | nothing about xvideo on that grep command |
| 14:12.38 | lazymanc | and I have tried getting php5 working on apache 1.3 and cannot find a guide for that either |
| 14:12.45 | Eclipser | ricky_clarkson, won't help... :< |
| 14:12.52 | asg | lazymanc: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 14:12.55 | ethics | any ideas? |
| 14:13.11 | ricky_clarkson | Eclipser: ps aux | grep k3b |
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| 14:13.24 | Eclipser | eclipser 2288 0.3 3.6 36780 18828 ? D 17:04 0:01 k3b |
| 14:13.24 | Eclipser | eclipser 2438 0.5 3.6 36780 18828 ? D 17:08 0:01 /usr/bin/k3b |
| 14:13.33 | greycat | it's in state D. you can't kill it. |
| 14:13.42 | ricky_clarkson | What's state D? |
| 14:13.43 | ricky_clarkson | Detroit? |
| 14:13.45 | greycat | Driver. |
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| 14:13.52 | greycat | it's in kernelspace. a system call. |
| 14:14.07 | oKtosiTe | Is it safe to move from sarge to sid, or should I just wait for testing to move on? |
| 14:14.09 | Eclipser | cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus jams too :< |
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| 14:14.11 | lazymanc | asg: thats the package i'm using, but it does not seem to have configured apache2 correctly |
| 14:14.17 | ricky_clarkson | oKtosiTe: Sid is unstable. |
| 14:14.26 | ethics | oh if anyone cares ICH6 worked from the alsa-source modules |
| 14:14.28 | si|vercat | would debian be a little "heavy" for an old 166mhz? :) |
| 14:14.30 | asg | lazymanc: then ask dotdeb. |
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| 14:14.36 | oKtosiTe | ricky_clarkson, but it's going to be testing soon, right? |
| 14:14.36 | ricky_clarkson | si|vercat: I run it happily on a 233. |
| 14:14.40 | ricky_clarkson | oKtosiTe: Nope. |
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| 14:14.44 | lazymanc | the site is down |
| 14:14.48 | ricky_clarkson | The next testing will be etch, I think. |
| 14:14.50 | asg | si|vercat: it runs great on my 200/48M machine |
| 14:14.54 | asg | lazymanc: then you'll have to wait. |
| 14:15.03 | oKtosiTe | ricky_clarkson, can you explain, or link me to some information? |
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| 14:15.11 | ricky_clarkson | !etch |
| 14:15.11 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 14:15.11 | si|vercat | asg: do you use xfree..? |
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| 14:15.17 | ricky_clarkson | oKtosiTe: See that. ^^ |
| 14:15.20 | asg | si|vercat: not on that box now, but I have in the past. |
| 14:15.25 | oKtosiTe | ricky_clarkson, thank you |
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| 14:15.32 | greycat | si|vercat: it depends on what you plan to run on it. |
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| 14:15.59 | ricky_clarkson | Quake 3 in Wine, while eating crisps and playing a saxophone. |
| 14:16.07 | Eclipser | nngh |
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| 14:16.27 | tra1a1a | ethics: /quit |
| 14:16.27 | ethics | greycat, tra1a1a : any clues? there was nothin on that grep command and the paste of pyinfo is in paste http://channels.debian.net/paste/154 |
| 14:16.29 | lazymanc | ok, but I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that someone running debian has tried / succeeded in getting these packages working together and that they might frequent this channel. I realise its not an official debian package and i'm not complaining, I just came here looking for some help |
| 14:16.30 | asg | ricky_clarkson: cheese and onion or bacon flavoured? |
| 14:16.30 | si|vercat | greycat: well I want it to be a basic desktop without too much latency, and I'm not sure if debian is the right distro to achieve it :P |
| 14:16.35 | tra1a1a | ops sorry |
| 14:16.46 | rj` | i need a ircop/chanop to msg me |
| 14:16.49 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Salt'n'Shake, but without using the salt. |
| 14:16.51 | Eclipser | this is irritating |
| 14:16.57 | greycat | si|vercat: you can only try. I suggest a light WM, such as fvwm. |
| 14:16.57 | ricky_clarkson | rj`: /msg lilo |
| 14:17.03 | asg | ricky_clarkson: oooh, haven't had those in eons |
| 14:17.05 | ricky_clarkson | rj`: Why, btw? |
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| 14:17.09 | greycat | si|vercat: and give it as much RAM as you can. CPU isn't that important. |
| 14:17.11 | ricky_clarkson | asg: I don't like salt. |
| 14:17.19 | si|vercat | greycat: sarge or woody? :) |
| 14:17.22 | rj` | ricky_clarkson: user is doing a onjoin spam |
| 14:17.29 | ricky_clarkson | rj`: in #debian? |
| 14:17.33 | greycat | si|vercat: sarge. you won't be happy with woody much longer. |
| 14:17.33 | ricky_clarkson | rj`: Which user? |
| 14:17.33 | rj` | ricky_clarkson: ya |
| 14:17.34 | jason__ | how do i set the correct kernel version so that when i compile a kernel the drivers are installed in the correct location? |
| 14:17.35 | si|vercat | greycat: it's an old laptop, doubt I'll find any more than it already has. 48meg now I think |
| 14:17.39 | rj` | <aLBerT> Free Porno Videos |
| 14:17.42 | lazymanc | I have tried in ##php and #apache and just keep getting bounced around, no one seems to know how to fix it |
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| 14:17.46 | rj` | <removed url> |
| 14:17.48 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: aLBerT is onjoiningly spamming. |
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| 14:17.57 | si|vercat | greycat: fvwm, huh? :) well thanks for your tips.. |
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| 14:18.08 | si|vercat | I'll try |
| 14:18.11 | asg | si|vercat: blackbox, fluxbox, or openbox will work well too. |
| 14:18.17 | ricky_clarkson | sussudio_: Am I still in your bad books? |
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| 14:18.31 | Eclipser | it seems all programs trying to access /dev/hdb or hdd go to the D state... |
| 14:18.32 | si|vercat | asg: are they all in apt? :) |
| 14:18.35 | Eclipser | and won't come out |
| 14:18.45 | greycat | Eclipser: dmesg. |
| 14:18.46 | asg | si|vercat: in sarge, in woody, only flux and blackbox are available. |
| 14:18.48 | _joey | jason__ --append-version to make-kpkg |
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| 14:18.55 | _joey | but read its man page carefully |
| 14:19.06 | fortran01 | Is there a similar tool like kppp in Gnome? How do I connect to the Internet using a dial-up modem? |
| 14:19.17 | oKtosiTe | ricky_clarkson, thanks for the pointer, waiting for etch with much anticipation ;-) |
| 14:19.18 | tarzeau2 | fortran01: wvdial |
| 14:19.27 | tarzeau2 | fortran01: there's Connect.app (for GNUstep) |
| 14:19.32 | _joey | need to run make-kpkg clean after configure kernel eg make menuconfig |
| 14:19.41 | fortran01 | thanks tarzeau2 |
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| 14:20.26 | Eclipser | greycat, I take that back, hdd only... dmesg says http://rafb.net/paste/results/SPYbP429.html |
| 14:20.31 | asg | fortran01: apt-cache search gnome ppp |
| 14:20.37 | _joey | anybody playing quake on linux? |
| 14:20.48 | _joey | there's enough stuff on linux to play with |
| 14:20.50 | greycat | Eclipser: hardware failure, I believe. |
| 14:21.04 | Eclipser | greycat, I had similar messages on hdc a few weeks ago but they disappeared |
| 14:21.06 | greycat | Eclipser: is that a CD writer, or a hard disk> |
| 14:21.13 | Eclipser | cd writer |
| 14:21.15 | greycat | Eclipser: try repacing your IDE cables. |
| 14:21.17 | Eclipser | hdc is hard disk |
| 14:21.25 | Eclipser | I will |
| 14:21.33 | ricky_clarkson | Is it worth running smartd? |
| 14:21.37 | ricky_clarkson | .. for Eclipser? |
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| 14:22.16 | _joey | could someone recommend good , reliable brand for dvd writer? |
| 14:22.34 | greycat | _joey: Pioneer seems OK. LG is highly recommended by some mailing lists. |
| 14:22.37 | greycat | Sony is bad. |
| 14:22.40 | _joey | :) |
| 14:22.52 | _joey | Pioneer I baught 4 months ago died today |
| 14:22.56 | ricky_clarkson | In my experience, Sony laptops get stolen. |
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| 14:23.47 | _joey | It's good I still have warranty |
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| 14:24.16 | Eclipser | interesting |
| 14:24.32 | _joey | greycat Plextor's are popular but way to expensive here |
| 14:24.45 | Eclipser | I rebooted and now cdrecord scanbus doesn't find my hdd... ah well, I still have hdb, it's slower though :< |
| 14:24.53 | Eclipser | I better disconnect the hdd |
| 14:24.55 | ricky_clarkson | Blank DVDs only seem to be twice the price of blank CDs now, nice. |
| 14:24.55 | tarzeau2 | ah and sorry. my isp sucks again |
| 14:25.08 | tarzeau2 | oh wait it's back |
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| 14:25.27 | destr0__ | if a user has no home directory, does their bash history get stored anywhere? |
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| 14:25.34 | jason__ | ah, all i had to do was change the extraversion in Makefile to -2-686 |
| 14:26.06 | Eclipser | o.O |
| 14:26.39 | xoz | destr0__: try being that user and find out if you can recall history. if you can, then it must be stored somewhere. |
| 14:26.46 | EdibleText | I want to confirm, 0 * * 3,6,9,12 * /path/to/script , will run script march june sept and jan at midnight? |
| 14:26.58 | salahuddin | which is the default debian windows manger gnome/kde |
| 14:27.00 | EdibleText | crontab ^^ |
| 14:27.03 | Eclipser | it didn't find the whole drive in boot now... |
| 14:27.03 | torbjorn | it will run every hour |
| 14:27.11 | ircdevil | i dont get the new galeon - where can i select the setting with text besides icons? |
| 14:27.19 | torbjorn | at those months |
| 14:27.19 | Eclipser | I guess I'll have to buy a new IDE cable |
| 14:27.27 | greycat | EdibleText: wrong. It will run it every hour. |
| 14:27.33 | asg | salahuddin: there isn't one. |
| 14:27.41 | torbjorn | midnight is hour 0, minute 0 |
| 14:27.46 | _joey | qt is ugly, imho |
| 14:27.55 | Eclipser | it is, very |
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| 14:28.06 | EdibleText | greycat, torbjorn ok thanks, havnt run scripts on months yet.. |
| 14:28.06 | chealer | salahuddin: neither are window managers |
| 14:28.08 | mtnman | salahuddin: besides neither gnome nor kde is a window manager. they are session managers. |
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| 14:28.34 | greycat | EdibleText: man 5 crontab |
| 14:28.39 | torbjorn | you could also do */3 for the month |
| 14:28.59 | salahuddin | which is the default session manager |
| 14:29.00 | salahuddin | :) |
| 14:29.22 | _joey | does anyone know in details how incremental backup works ? |
| 14:29.26 | mtnman | salahuddin: there is not one. in face i have never used a session manager on a debian system. |
| 14:29.43 | mtnman | _joey: sounds like you need to do some reading. |
| 14:29.51 | xoz | !dict incremental |
| 14:29.53 | dpkg | could not find definition for incremental |
| 14:30.01 | greycat | dpkg's dict is broken. |
| 14:30.07 | greycat | use /msg ravenbird dict ... |
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| 14:30.35 | metaperl | Debian netinstall CD is not finding my DHCP server. My DSL works fine under windows, but I want to install Debian instead, but booting from a netinstall stable cd rom does not find the dhcp server |
| 14:30.42 | mtnman | _joey: check out http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux-Complete-Backup-and-Recovery-HOWTO/index.html |
| 14:30.45 | greg_work | I still have an issue with dhcp3-server. I defined a group within a subnet that contains some MAC addresses.. this group is supposed to have a longer lease time, and do ddns updates. The ddns part works great, but no matter what i put for default-lease-time in the group (even comment it out), it does a 10 minute lease. the subnet is on a 1 day lease. if i take these systems out of the group, they get a 1 day lease. |
| 14:30.48 | greycat | metaperl: does sarge work? |
| 14:30.59 | metaperl | I dont know --- should I try that? |
| 14:31.07 | greg_work | my conclusion is this is just a bug in dhcp3.. unless someone else has a suggestion? |
| 14:31.39 | _joey | if I do daily, weekly and monthly backups backups and then I want to restor. monthly will be restored then _all_ weekly and _all_ daily backups or only latest weekly and latest daily ? |
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| 14:31.44 | greycat | metaperl: nobody's going to fix any problems you find in the woody installer, especially an unofficial netinstall build. |
| 14:31.59 | greycat | metaperl: they want to release sarge this month. (Whether that happens is another question.) |
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| 14:32.39 | greg_work | _joey: it depends on what you use for backing up, i assume |
| 14:32.39 | greycat | _joey: depends on how you run it. |
| 14:32.48 | greycat | _joey: you can set it up either way. |
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| 14:33.13 | _joey | using hdup front-end to tar and few other tools |
| 14:33.25 | greg_work | _joey: a fairly neat looking program is rdiff-backup. I'm using it now, though I haven't tried to restore anything yet |
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| 14:33.35 | _joey | nothing in its man page about its default |
| 14:33.48 | chealer | when I login with su, the locale is system's default, but with "su -", it's POSIX. what explains the difference? |
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| 14:34.16 | jason__ | what does make-kpkg --config old oldconfig do? |
| 14:34.16 | metaperl | it is sarge that I burned a cd of... |
| 14:34.17 | greycat | su is not a login. |
| 14:34.18 | greg_work | it's cool because it uses librsync to make diffs, and it stores them as backwards deltas (i think that's what they're called) .. so the actual copy of the file is always the newest, but then theres seperate .diff files to bring it to older versions |
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| 14:34.31 | tarzeau | hm 831 nicks in #debian. not bad |
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| 14:34.59 | _joey | I assume it's latest backups since every day or every week the backups are almost the same size |
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| 14:35.13 | asg | tarzeau: until /. mentions something about how easy it is to install sid for newbies and then we'll have to beat them off with sticks. |
| 14:35.15 | _joey | and don't get any smaller |
| 14:35.26 | ircdevil | tarzeau: that s the everyday count, |
| 14:35.28 | sobersabre | hi guys... what are normal response times for dns request to a bind server ( in msec ) ? |
| 14:35.43 | asg | sobersabre: try #dns |
| 14:35.46 | greg_work | sobersabre: depends on many many factors |
| 14:36.08 | chealer | greycat: what do you mean? |
| 14:36.10 | greycat | if your bind is running on a 386 emulating a powerpc, it might be more than a few ms. |
| 14:36.10 | sobersabre | asg, duh! i've tried #bind, #named :) |
| 14:36.25 | asg | sobersabre: or use 'dig @server domain ns' |
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| 14:36.35 | greycat | chealer: you can't "login with su". It's a meaningless phrase. |
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| 14:36.44 | greycat | chealer: you login, and THEN you run su. They are separate. |
| 14:36.53 | greg_work | ie: a name it's authoritive for is going to be faster than a name it has to go fetch on the internet. in that case, depends on your internet connection. if you're using forwarding to an upstream server, then it also depends on that server... |
| 14:36.54 | tarzeau | ircdevil: i thought it's 750 |
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| 14:37.53 | ircdevil | tarzeau: naa +800 is frequent |
| 14:38.02 | chealer | greycat: so what does login mean? man su reads "The optional argument - may be used to provide an environment similiar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly." so what's an "indirect login"? |
| 14:38.02 | sobersabre | asg, "server" = IP of dns server ? and "ns" is the record name ? |
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| 14:38.14 | tarzeau | ircdevil: ok ok |
| 14:38.17 | greycat | chealer: "su -" does indeed emulate a login. "su" does not. |
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| 14:38.30 | asg | sobersabre: no, server is the dns server you want to talk to. 'ns' just requests the nameserver records. |
| 14:38.33 | greycat | chealer: a login is when your screen says "login:" and you type your login name, and your password. |
| 14:38.47 | doub | chealer: su - is a "login shell", that is takes away your envrionment, and provides you with what you'd have when logging in |
| 14:38.52 | sobersabre | "domain" is the domain name ? |
| 14:38.57 | sobersabre | oKtosiTe, asg |
| 14:39.01 | sobersabre | OK |
| 14:39.02 | doub | chealer: so maybe you have no locale defined for root |
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| 14:39.25 | doub | chealer: whereas su just makes you root, keeping the environment, and thus locale settings |
| 14:39.41 | chealer | doub: thanks, but if I login from a tty, locale is system's default |
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| 14:40.21 | doub | chealer: you might want to dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 14:40.39 | doub | chealer: s/locale/locales/ |
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| 14:40.54 | greycat | chealer: cat /etc/environment |
| 14:41.13 | greycat | chealer: apparently "su -"'s emulation is flawed. |
| 14:41.13 | chealer | doub: I did that, my system's default is now fr_CA.UTF-8 |
| 14:41.35 | ricky_clarkson | Quebecistan! |
| 14:41.47 | chealer | yes! |
| 14:41.59 | chealer | greycat: LANGUAGE="fr_CA:fr_FR:fr:en" |
| 14:42.00 | chealer | LANG=fr_CA.UTF-8 |
| 14:42.05 | mrplum | Has anyone tried to use webmin with NFS exports? It seems to look at the wrong init.d script, but even so manually invoking the right one comes back with syntax errors on the /etc/exports file. I'm not too familiar with NFS, can someone give me some insight on what might be happening. Wrong NFS server version? |
| 14:42.12 | jethro | !webmin |
| 14:42.12 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 14:42.12 | starscalling | webmin |
| 14:42.14 | greycat | chealer: apparently "su -" does not read that file. |
| 14:42.16 | mrplum | wow |
| 14:42.53 | chealer | greycat: should it? |
| 14:43.00 | jethro | what's this g) about? |
| 14:43.10 | greycat | jethro: something truncated, I assume. |
| 14:43.16 | jethro | shall I remove it? |
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| 14:43.26 | ricky_clarkson | !webmin =~ s/g)// |
| 14:43.26 | dpkg | OK, ricky_clarkson |
| 14:43.27 | greycat | chealer: interesting question. I doubt anyone cares very much... |
| 14:43.41 | jethro | hi ricky_clarkson |
| 14:43.50 | ricky_clarkson | Greetings, traveller. |
| 14:43.52 | EdibleText | they forgot to add "while my genitals are firmly grounded in a metal bowl of saltwater" |
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| 14:43.58 | mrplum | lol! |
| 14:44.01 | chealer | greycat: one effect is that starting a root session in konsole has english locale |
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| 14:44.17 | greycat | chealer: so put an export LANG=... in root's dotfiles. |
| 14:44.20 | mrplum | well now that I feel really guilty I'm removing it :-P |
| 14:44.22 | jethro | EdibleText: it must be what've been truncated . I dunno how it became g) though |
| 14:44.24 | greg_work | webmin is great. its nice to not have to remember and/or constantly read man pages for the hundreds of various config files |
| 14:44.24 | peaceyall | hey |
| 14:44.26 | chealer | greycat: yeah |
| 14:44.27 | kynes | I want to know the package providing X11/extensions/xdga1.h .. |
| 14:44.30 | kynes | how can I? |
| 14:44.32 | oKtosiTe | sobersabre, OK to you too ;-) |
| 14:44.32 | greycat | chealer: or stop running "su -". |
| 14:44.50 | chealer | greycat: this is konqueror's default for superuser session |
| 14:44.54 | kynes | I tried to apt-cache search but couldn't figure out which one |
| 14:45.07 | ricky_clarkson | greg_work: As an idea, it seems good, but the actual implementation has seen a few security holes. |
| 14:45.11 | EdibleText | jethro, I dont think that was in the factiod. but it should be ;) |
| 14:45.13 | greycat | chealer: what the fuck does a WEB BROWSER have to do with your root shell? |
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| 14:45.21 | sobersabre | oKtosiTe, i've "autocompleted" my OK to you. |
| 14:45.22 | chealer | greycat: I suppose I mean konsole |
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| 14:45.31 | greycat | chealer: try learning sudo, then. |
| 14:45.35 | peaceyall | I just downloaded debian woody r5and put it on a cd , i put it in my computer and restarted, but it doesnt boot the cd ( i have dvd-rom/cd in my boot list in the setup ) , i already have debian sarge , why wotn the cd boot? |
| 14:45.36 | jethro | EdibleText: I was joking :p |
| 14:45.44 | greg_work | ricky_clarkson: yeah, the implementation is not very good at all. |
| 14:45.47 | EdibleText | heh |
| 14:45.51 | jeremy_c | I'm trying to compile an app and in the end, it states undefined reference to 'tgetent' and also 'tgetstr' ... anyone know what libs these functions are used in? |
| 14:46.04 | mtnman | kynes: /msg dpkg find xdga |
| 14:46.21 | doub | jeremy_c: google can tell you |
| 14:46.27 | jeremy_c | doub: OK |
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| 14:46.50 | xoz | jeremy_c: or try auto-apt |
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| 14:47.03 | kynes | mtnman: doesnt work? |
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| 14:47.22 | mtnman | kynes: full sentence please. |
| 14:47.48 | kynes | how must I write this? |
| 14:47.53 | kynes | dpkg find xdga |
| 14:47.55 | ricky_clarkson | Een Eeenglish. |
| 14:47.58 | peaceyall | can any one help ? |
| 14:48.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xdga' (1): (/usr/bin/uae-xdga) in contrib/otherosfs/uae-suid. |
| 14:48.16 | kynes | oh |
| 14:48.26 | mtnman | kynes: it is customary to /msg the bots unless you are trying to show someone something. |
| 14:48.51 | xoz | s/someone/everyone |
| 14:49.05 | kynes | okay I'm surprised a little :) that's good stuff |
| 14:49.14 | chealer | thanks greycat, doub |
| 14:49.15 | kynes | I mean dpkg bot |
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| 14:49.26 | jethro | kynes: /msg dpkg help :p |
| 14:49.36 | mtnman | kynes: if that was a "thank you", then you are welcome :) |
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| 14:49.47 | kynes | :) yea let it be |
| 14:49.58 | mtnman | now, that is a beatles tune... |
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| 14:50.18 | WillR | hi.. im trying to use at to run commands at a later time. atd is running i type this at 14:45:00 -c rm /home/eraseme on the command line and get no errors.. but then nothing happens.. when the command was supposed to be run (just testing by trying to make it remove a file but if i type at (time) enter.. i get a prompt at> if i type a command and press ctrl d it works....but i want this process automated.. like at (time) useradd blah -p blah etc etc......an |
| 14:50.18 | oKtosiTe | HELP |
| 14:50.29 | ircdevil | !help oKtosiTe |
| 14:50.32 | oKtosiTe | ... is also a Beatles tune |
| 14:50.38 | ircdevil | gr |
| 14:50.42 | oKtosiTe | lol |
| 14:50.45 | doub | that's what i was about to say |
| 14:51.08 | ircdevil | !dict help |
| 14:51.08 | dpkg | Dictionary 'help' (3 of 15): 2. To furnish with the means of deliverance from trouble; as, to help one in distress; to help one out of prison. ``God help, poor souls, how idly do they talk!'' --Shak. ;; God is . . . a very present help in trouble. --Ps. xlvi. 1. ;; To help out, to lend aid; to bring a supply.. |
| 14:51.10 | kynes | :) |
| 14:51.10 | ricky_clarkson | !help dict |
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| 14:51.44 | doub | to help or not to help, that is the question |
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| 14:52.26 | garung | !dict debian |
| 14:52.29 | dpkg | Dictionary 'debian' (1 of 8): Debian was begun in August 1993 by Ian Murdock, and was sponsored by the Free Software Foundation from November 1994 to November 1995. The name Debian is a contraction of DEB(ra) and IAN Murdock.. |
| 14:53.21 | WillR | anyone know how use AT ? |
| 14:53.21 | mrbuckets | AT? |
| 14:53.22 | WillR | at |
| 14:53.22 | mrplum | like modem stuff? |
| 14:53.22 | WillR | no.... liek running commands at a certain time |
| 14:53.22 | WillR | atd |
| 14:53.35 | WillR | in your command prompt type at now and press enter |
| 14:53.40 | xoz | WillR: use at -f file_with_commands [time] |
| 14:53.59 | mrplum | yea I did a man at. not sure how that's different from using cron |
| 14:54.05 | WillR | that means the commands i want to run have to be in a file yes? |
| 14:54.16 | asg | mrplum: it's useful for one-shot things |
| 14:54.19 | xoz | WillR: man at |
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| 14:54.29 | mrplum | ah yea. get it |
| 14:54.48 | WillR | i have an online sign up form.... ppl sign up and hit submit. it sends command to server to "useradd blah -p blah" but now i want it to do it at 10:30am everyday.. not instantly |
| 14:54.56 | asg | mrplum: e.g. 'echo /usr/bin/whack -u mrplum | at 9am tomorrow' |
| 14:54.57 | WillR | i amnned at.. doesnt help for one line commands |
| 14:55.12 | kvijayan | question.. is there a way to tell apt-get dist-upgrade to ONLY download upgraded packages, and not actually install them (so I can put it in a cronjob and have the downloads for upgrades done automatically) ? |
| 14:55.36 | asg | kvijayan: look for the -d option |
| 14:55.36 | mrplum | :-P |
| 14:55.41 | stouset | kvijayan: man apt |
| 14:55.51 | kynes | which is better, using dselect or apt-get? (I know the difference between them.. just seeing people use apt-get more frequently than dselect made me think) |
| 14:55.52 | bbrazil | kvijayan: see cron-apt, it does what you're looking for |
| 14:55.53 | kvijayan | hrm, I should have tried that.. google didn't help me :) |
| 14:55.56 | WillR | it tells you to type at then do you commands.... or use a file.. i want to be able to at 10:30am adduser will -p werd and be doe with it |
| 14:55.59 | stouset | kvijayan: And, related, look at cron-apt which already does what you're lookin gfor |
| 14:56.03 | stouset | kynes: aptitude |
| 14:56.13 | mrplum | kynes, may use aptitude |
| 14:56.29 | kynes | thanks |
| 14:56.41 | mrplum | i love that minesweeper game |
| 14:56.47 | WillR | no one knows the at thing then? |
| 14:56.49 | stouset | kynes: apt-get is just a one-line tool we can give in a command to grab a package and fetch it. A tool like dselect or aptitude is useful in finding that package in the first place, and managing complex dependency hierarchies. |
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| 14:57.00 | stouset | WillR: what about at? |
| 14:57.07 | asg | WillR: echo 'command you want to run' | at <timespec> |
| 14:57.08 | kynes | aptitude doesn't ignore "recommended"/"suggested" packages, right? |
| 14:57.25 | WillR | (asg): it will work like that? |
| 14:57.25 | stouset | kynes: It's configurable. |
| 14:57.30 | kvijayan | kynes: for 90% of stuff, I find that 'apt-cache search' and 'apt-get' does what I want |
| 14:57.35 | ricky_clarkson | kynes: No, but you might. ;) |
| 14:57.44 | kynes | ooh good |
| 14:57.50 | kynes | thanks |
| 14:57.59 | stouset | kynes: Usually, it's configured to install suggested but not recommended packages. But it will tell you all the recommended packages when you go to install. |
| 14:58.05 | asg | WillR: yes, provided you get the timespec right (it will complain if you don't though.) |
| 14:58.46 | kynes | one more thing: Debian Search of 'xdga' (1): (/usr/bin/uae-xdga) in contrib/otherosfs/uae-suid. |
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| 14:58.51 | kynes | I looked it up |
| 14:58.52 | WillR | (asg): it worked.thanks a lot!!!!! was simple. it doesnt show that format in th man |
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| 14:59.00 | kynes | it's about amiga.. |
| 14:59.09 | kynes | emulator |
| 14:59.28 | asg | WillR: The exact definition of the time specification can be found in /usr/share/doc/at/timespec. |
| 14:59.38 | kynes | I mean, it's irrelevant |
| 14:59.49 | kynes | I'm trying to compile tinyptc |
| 14:59.51 | kynes | libraries |
| 14:59.54 | xoz | WillR: that's mentioned... getting commands from standard input using pipe |
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| 15:00.02 | ricky_clarkson | You can do at +next sunday, and at +a fortnight or something. |
| 15:00.08 | kynes | and all it wants is xdga1.h |
| 15:00.13 | kynes | and such |
| 15:00.22 | kynes | and I can't find which package is missing |
| 15:00.25 | WillR | i dont fully understand everything that pipe can do... just some minor things.. |
| 15:00.32 | WillR | man pipe ? |
| 15:00.34 | WillR | :| |
| 15:00.40 | asg | ricky_clarkson: sadly no 'when hell freezes over' though |
| 15:00.53 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Or 'when sarge is released' |
| 15:00.56 | asg | WillR: man bash ; /REDIRECTION |
| 15:01.05 | kvijayan | woo.. cron-apt is exactly what I was looking for. thanks |
| 15:01.07 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Of course, they're synonyms. |
| 15:01.08 | asg | ricky_clarkson: true |
| 15:01.22 | WillR | thanks |
| 15:01.39 | xoz | WillR: but using -f <file> is more flexible if you have several commands. |
| 15:02.22 | kvijayan | btw, do I have to add cron-apt to root's crontab manually, or does the package do that already? Just installed it and crontab -l doesn't list anything for root |
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| 15:03.24 | mtnman | jethro: depends on if you call him that before or after you kick him in his private-parts. |
| 15:03.49 | jethro | mtnman: I can't kick him in the nuts with an email.. that's the sad part, though Ilike your idea |
| 15:03.54 | mtnman | jethro: if after, it is probably superfluous. |
| 15:03.55 | xoz | jethro: why tell him? treat him sounds better. |
| 15:04.09 | kvijayan | never mind.. just noticed that it drops a configfile in /etc/cron.d |
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| 15:04.28 | mtnman | jethro: sometimes a face-to-face (or foot-to-groin) meeting is needed. |
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| 15:04.50 | EdibleText | jethro, pull a tyler durden |
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| 15:05.15 | jethro | EdibleText: or just be like durden :) |
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| 15:05.46 | jethro | mtnman: you think havbing this face to face during tonight's company meeting is wise? |
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| 15:06.03 | mtnman | jethro: it seems it would advance your goal. |
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| 15:06.25 | jethro | I might as well ruin the evening which is sad for my colleagues |
| 15:06.31 | jethro | but who cares anyway |
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| 15:06.38 | jethro | I ll just do that |
| 15:06.50 | mtnman | jethro: would probably ruin the evening for your boss, as well. |
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| 15:07.14 | jethro | mtnman: I couldn't care less!! |
| 15:07.28 | petdog | x |
| 15:08.04 | honschu | i915 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device) (Kernel 2.6.11.10)? debian sarge. What to do? |
| 15:08.18 | honschu | and yes, there is really no /dev/dri/card0 |
| 15:08.21 | npiv_ | in listing installed packages dpkg -l does not display the full name of some of the longer package names, How can I get round this, I need it for a script ? |
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| 15:09.46 | wwallace | hello to all |
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| 15:10.07 | wwallace | why does grub take 1 minute 30 secs to load the menu? |
| 15:10.15 | wwallace | can this be improved? |
| 15:10.18 | RichiH | !crystal ball |
| 15:10.30 | RichiH | wwallace: normally, it should take about half a second |
| 15:10.53 | RichiH | wwallace: perhaps your menu.lst is borked? |
| 15:10.53 | Shorty` | wwallace, it shouldn't, are the hdds ok? |
| 15:10.53 | sobersabre | wwallace, is it possible you have asked grub to wait ? |
| 15:10.53 | RichiH | !test |
| 15:10.53 | dpkg | Yes, richih, you're still online. |
| 15:11.00 | jcohen | what's the point of building deb packages for kernel modules? isn't easier to do make && make install ? |
| 15:11.04 | wwallace | ok i have 3 hd's |
| 15:11.09 | wwallace | 1 is only linux |
| 15:11.15 | wwallace | the other are ntfs |
| 15:11.43 | wwallace | grub shows me an option to boot from win xp even though those hd's dont have xp installed in them |
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| 15:11.59 | RichiH | jcohen: makes it easier to keep track of via apt/dpkg |
| 15:12.05 | jcohen | ah |
| 15:12.23 | RichiH | !tell jcohen about m-a |
| 15:12.57 | hackeron | how do I check hard drive usage? |
| 15:13.04 | wwallace | RichiH: define borked? |
| 15:13.08 | Knight_Lord | df |
| 15:13.08 | RichiH | jcohen: m-a is the way to do this stuff |
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| 15:13.20 | hackeron | no, as in the io |
| 15:13.24 | Knight_Lord | vmstat 1 |
| 15:13.28 | RichiH | wwallace: if you join #flood, you can paste your menu.lst and i will look at it |
| 15:13.54 | wwallace | im banned in #flood:) |
| 15:14.01 | wwallace | can u believe that shit? |
| 15:14.03 | EdibleText | !bork |
| 15:14.03 | dpkg | bork is probably to sexor as in "bork bjork", lart to death, or a nicer curse word, or the Swedish Chef's favorite word, or broke |
| 15:14.25 | Gathond | wwallace: what on earth did you do to get banned there? pasted aomething that took hours to complete? |
| 15:14.29 | RichiH | wwallace: did you get banned as you or are you affected by a different ban? |
| 15:14.36 | mrbuckets | !glib |
| 15:14.36 | dpkg | The GLib library of C routines. URL: http://www.gtk.org/ |
| 15:14.39 | wwallace | dondelecaro banned me |
| 15:14.44 | wwallace | from there |
| 15:14.48 | kvijayan | wwallace: just trawl through /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove the entry for windows boot |
| 15:14.48 | mirak | anyone have Ads tech instant tv dvb-t pci, or Pinnacle Systems PCTV MediaCenter 200i ? Is is working on linux ? |
| 15:14.50 | RichiH | wwallace: then you probably deserved it ;) |
| 15:14.59 | wwallace | probebly so |
| 15:15.02 | RichiH | wwallace: you can paste into /query with me, if you want to |
| 15:15.16 | RichiH | Gathond: abusing #flood is not really funny |
| 15:15.19 | wwallace | dunno hoe to use query |
| 15:15.25 | wwallace | what about pastebin? |
| 15:15.35 | RichiH | Gathond: problem is it may hinder others from using it for what it was intended |
| 15:15.36 | sussudio_ | oh, it's him again... |
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| 15:15.46 | RichiH | wwallace: sure. /topic for #debian's pastebot |
| 15:15.48 | Gathond | RichiH: have I indicated it was funny? |
| 15:16.03 | RichiH | Gathond: true :) |
| 15:16.17 | wwallace | i wasnt abusing flooding i think i had a beef with him cause he banned me from here so i found him there and told him he didnt like it so he bganned me there too |
| 15:16.19 | mtnman | mirak: you can look at the hardware howto at tldp.org to see if those cards are listed. |
| 15:16.26 | kynes | I'll be writing a graphical application.. do I have to install libggi? |
| 15:16.35 | kynes | I mean, what's it for? |
| 15:16.45 | kynes | I read from apt-cache but |
| 15:16.46 | jcohen | cool, all i had to do was m-a a-i madwifi |
| 15:16.58 | sussudio_ | RichiH: someone removed his ban here about a week ago... he's a troll |
| 15:17.11 | wwallace | ther5e he is |
| 15:17.19 | wwallace | susudio |
| 15:17.22 | wwallace | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.28 | wwallace | just trying to learn |
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| 15:17.44 | christel | learn how to troll? :) |
| 15:17.47 | jethro | wwallace: just ignore what sussudio_ says, he sometimes, for no reason, gets mad a newcommers, and feels like he has to get them banned |
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| 15:18.05 | wwallace | linux |
| 15:18.10 | pngwn | wwallace, thousands have learned here and not been banned ;) |
| 15:18.18 | flame | why is knoppix banned? |
| 15:18.20 | wwallace | im triyng to learn linux i have learned a lot |
| 15:18.21 | RichiH | sussudio_: thanks for the heads up. i try to make up my own mind, too :) |
| 15:18.32 | RichiH | flame: we have lots and lots of knoppix stupidness |
| 15:18.33 | ricky_clarkson | flame: Because we're not interested in it. |
| 15:18.36 | wwallace | since i started |
| 15:18.40 | asg | flame: 1) knoppix is not debian 2) knoppix defaults to sending irc traffic here. |
| 15:18.46 | Gathond | flame: its not supported here |
| 15:18.48 | RichiH | flame: if people use it for recovery, they should be able to change ident |
| 15:18.51 | wwallace | i used to have no patience so thats why that sussudio doesnt like me |
| 15:19.02 | kynes | asg: 2 is a good reason |
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| 15:19.15 | ricky_clarkson | So is #1. |
| 15:19.26 | mtnman | wwallace: lack of patience will definitely be an obstacle to learning. |
| 15:19.32 | wwallace | i know |
| 15:19.37 | nomed^ | i've a ramdisk of this size '5255168' i need to pass this to kernel cmd line ramdisk=? ? |
| 15:19.47 | nomed^ | 5255168 k |
| 15:19.57 | wwallace | ok going back to my grub problem lemme post it at pastebin ill bring back the link |
| 15:20.02 | sussudio_ | cursing at the ops sure doesn't help with the learning |
| 15:20.05 | ricky_clarkson | 5 Gigabytes? |
| 15:20.16 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 15:20.33 | nomed^ | ricky_clarkson, what? |
| 15:20.49 | mrbuckets | sussudio: what about loving their bodies with words? |
| 15:20.56 | ricky_clarkson | nomed^: 5,255,168 K is 5 Gb. |
| 15:21.07 | nomed^ | yes:D byte |
| 15:21.11 | nomed^ | sorry :D |
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| 15:21.54 | kynes | I downloaded debian reference yesterday.. there, it mentioned sarge like it was "stable".. today I looked and saw it was still "testing" |
| 15:21.59 | kynes | I didn't understand that |
| 15:22.10 | kynes | in reference it mentioned "etch" being "testing".. |
| 15:22.21 | petemc | that reference is from the future |
| 15:22.27 | wwallace | http://pastebin.com/286106 |
| 15:22.28 | kynes | :) |
| 15:22.30 | petemc | any lottery numbers on it? |
| 15:22.35 | Phated | Heh. |
| 15:22.51 | hackeron | if there are 200 idle processes that are never being used but are there for the sake of it, can they have an effect on performance? |
| 15:23.08 | kynes | is it true that future version will be called "etch"? anyone heard? |
| 15:23.12 | nomed^ | the unit that ramdisk= uses is byte or what else? |
| 15:23.14 | kynes | or am I just dreaming? |
| 15:23.20 | mrbuckets | kynes: it is officially frozen, and hopefully will be deemed stable at the end of the month (says debianplanet) |
| 15:23.22 | petemc | kynes: it will, yes |
| 15:23.38 | kynes | oooh that's good news :) |
| 15:23.45 | asg | hackeron: check the output of vmstat, top, and free. You decide if they affect performance. |
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| 15:24.58 | asuffield | hackeron: pretty damned unlikely though |
| 15:25.09 | chealer | kynes: I've heard that too, maybe the reference was updated too soon |
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| 15:25.21 | wwallace | RichiH: my grub is at..............http://pastebin.com/286106 |
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| 15:25.37 | kynes | chealer: it's good reading about the future like present :) |
| 15:25.43 | samuel | sup all |
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| 15:26.33 | samuel | can anyone tell me how to find what package contains file such-and-such? that the package is NOT installed? |
| 15:26.39 | asg | samuel: apt-file |
| 15:26.39 | chealer | while we're talking about debian reference, I was intending to read that, but what's the current status? I wouldn't like to read woody-specific stuff. is there a sarge version, or I have to wait release...or what? |
| 15:26.42 | lindi- | samuel: packages.debian.org |
| 15:26.44 | Mage\work | samuel: auto-apt |
| 15:27.01 | samuel | thanks!!! |
| 15:27.04 | Mage\work | apt-get install auto-apt ; auto-apt update ; auto-apt search such-and-such? |
| 15:27.10 | kynes | it's sarge now |
| 15:27.20 | chealer | kynes: great |
| 15:27.40 | chealer | first try apt-file, or dpkg's find, or p.d.o |
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| 15:28.09 | jason__ | after doing m-a a-i madwifi i get FATAL: Error inserting ath_pci (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/net/ath_pci.ko): Invalid module format when trying to load ath_pci |
| 15:28.22 | jason__ | i then recompiled from source and installed and i'm getting the same error. it was working fine before. |
| 15:28.27 | jason__ | what changed? |
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| 15:28.42 | FarrisG | ANyone know of a free util to convert maildir format to mbox? |
| 15:28.42 | chealer | jason__: just trying, what's your kernel? |
| 15:28.51 | jason__ | chealer, 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 15:28.52 | asg | FarrisG: ewww, why? |
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| 15:28.59 | Sphinx_Ra | is it possible to extract a .exe file ?? |
| 15:29.00 | directhex|work | jason__, cat /etc/version and compare to gcc --version |
| 15:29.07 | FarrisG | FarrisG: FOr a temporary solution to a stupid-people problem |
| 15:29.10 | directhex|work | Sphinx_Ra, depends what type of exe file |
| 15:29.13 | RichiH | wwallace: of course, if you remove the last four lines, you will not have the entries for windows |
| 15:29.13 | greycat | Sphinx_Ra: if it's a self-extracting zip file, unzip can read it. |
| 15:29.16 | FarrisG | ack, I meant asg |
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| 15:29.22 | torbjorn | for file in `ls maildir`; do cat $file >> mbox; done; or something? |
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| 15:29.29 | RichiH | wwallace: but the start of the file is not included, i think |
| 15:29.29 | jason__ | directhex|work, i have no /etc/version |
| 15:29.41 | incorrect | is 172.21.226.229 part of the disconnected class b network? |
| 15:29.42 | directhex|work | sorry, /proc/version |
| 15:29.44 | kombi | Where do I get libzzip? It's not in the package list.. |
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| 15:29.57 | greycat | kombi: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:30.03 | jason__ | both gcc 3.3.5 |
| 15:30.09 | wwallace | RichiH: is not? lemme c? |
| 15:30.12 | jason__ | actually |
| 15:30.13 | codester | Question, how do i check if my device like hard disk and cdrom got dma enabled? and how do i enable them if they're not? |
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| 15:30.23 | greycat | codester: hdparm can print out the results. |
| 15:30.26 | Sphinx_Ra | directhex: it's a codec pack for divx movies from divx.com.. |
| 15:30.30 | jason__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.30 | jason__ | gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12) |
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| 15:30.39 | jason__ | 3.3.5-6 v. 3.3.5-12 |
| 15:30.43 | greycat | codester: you shouldn't use hdparm to SET dma, though, despite the fact that all the gentoobies do it. |
| 15:30.57 | asg | FarrisG: probably a combination of formail and cat then (see mb2md and do the opposite of what it does.) |
| 15:31.00 | directhex|work | jason__, 3.3 and 3.3 should be fine |
| 15:31.00 | greycat | codester: instead, load the driver for your motherboard's IDE chipset. |
| 15:31.05 | kynes | what does "unstripped" mean? |
| 15:31.08 | directhex|work | jason__, you were looking out for 3.3 vs 3.4 |
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| 15:31.11 | greycat | kynes: man strip |
| 15:31.12 | codester | greycat: i've typed that in console and it say command not found |
| 15:31.16 | greycat | !installit |
| 15:31.17 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 15:31.32 | kombi | greycat: did apt-cache search libzzip but nothing found.. |
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| 15:32.01 | greycat | kombi: where did you hear of this thing, and/or, why do you want it? It' |
| 15:32.03 | codester | greycat: any particular packages i need before i can use hdparm? |
| 15:32.07 | greycat | s not anything I've ever heard of. |
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| 15:32.13 | greycat | codester: guess. |
| 15:32.18 | greycat | (Cripes!) |
| 15:32.18 | wwallace | RichiH: sorry is http://pastebin.com/286112 |
| 15:32.22 | kombi | greycat: needed for zip extension of php |
| 15:32.23 | wwallace | hi greycat |
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| 15:32.26 | greycat | (How stupid do you have to be to /join #debian?) |
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| 15:33.02 | greycat | This one has to go into the hall of shame right next to "What package is make in?" |
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| 15:33.16 | RichiH | wwallace: i would try commenting out color and gfxmenu |
| 15:33.26 | wwallace | ok |
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| 15:33.28 | wwallace | thanks |
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| 15:34.00 | Sphinx_Ra | and .sit files ? |
| 15:34.00 | codester | greycat: nah... i got debian sid installed and it doesnt have that utility |
| 15:34.08 | greycat | !info hdparm sid |
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| 15:34.10 | dpkg | hdparm: (tune hard disk parameters for high performance), section admin, is optional. Version: 6.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 15:34.13 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 15:34.23 | RichiH | heh |
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| 15:34.49 | kombi | greycat: pear install zip says: cannot find libzzip - never heard of it myself |
| 15:35.11 | codester | greycat: oopsie, i typed it wrong when doing a search on apt-cache |
| 15:35.18 | greycat | !find libzzip sid |
| 15:35.20 | kynes | I installed all the related packages and can't find xf86dga.h in X11/extensions/ ! |
| 15:35.20 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libzzip' (2): libzzip-0-12 ;; libzzip-dev. |
| 15:35.22 | codester | greycat: thanks for the help =) |
| 15:35.24 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 15:35.43 | kynes | I have X.org |
| 15:35.45 | kombi | there it is.? |
| 15:35.49 | RichiH | kombi: libzzip-0-12 - library providing read access on ZIP-archives - library |
| 15:35.51 | tarzeau | oh a double plonk |
| 15:35.52 | RichiH | that's sid |
| 15:35.55 | kynes | on ubuntu hoary |
| 15:35.59 | asg | kynes: then ask #ubuntu |
| 15:36.01 | tarzeau | !UBUNTU |
| 15:36.01 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story" |
| 15:36.05 | tarzeau | !xorg |
| 15:36.05 | dpkg | i heard xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 15:36.07 | kombi | RichH: Thanks! |
| 15:36.20 | RichiH | kynes: well, that would be the reason, then |
| 15:36.24 | RichiH | kynes: np |
| 15:36.31 | RichiH | !tell kynes -about search |
| 15:36.35 | SouSuKe | euhm do I have to download sarge-i386-1.iso only or all the 14 ones? |
| 15:36.47 | RichiH | !tell SouSuKe -about netinstall |
| 15:36.48 | asg | SouSuKe: better to get a netinstall disc |
| 15:36.49 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 15:36.49 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:36.59 | wwallace | what about the windows entries? |
| 15:37.00 | RichiH | SouSuKe: you want the netinstall cd |
| 15:37.00 | kombi | RichiH: Couldn't find package libzzip-0-12.. ca me gonfle! |
| 15:37.13 | asg | kombi: are you running sid? |
| 15:37.13 | RichiH | wwallace: keep them or kill them. they don't hurt nor do any good |
| 15:37.23 | wwallace | comment them out? |
| 15:37.27 | kombi | asg: ahm.. what is sid?.. |
| 15:37.37 | asg | kombi: /msg dpkg sid |
| 15:37.43 | wwallace | !sid |
| 15:37.43 | dpkg | sid is, like, the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 15:37.54 | garung | anyone using bittorent? |
| 15:38.05 | petemc | no one at all |
| 15:38.09 | garung | aww |
| 15:38.12 | kombi | asg: guess I am (sarge).. |
| 15:38.24 | asg | kombi: guess? you installed it didn't you? |
| 15:38.25 | wwallace | !sarge |
| 15:38.26 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
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| 15:38.34 | asg | wtf is wrong with the bot |
| 15:38.36 | kombi | asg: I did! |
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| 15:39.00 | chealer | kombi: #debian-fr |
| 15:39.11 | kombi | asg: got so many debian boxes here, how do I check? |
| 15:39.22 | kombi | chealer: thanks |
| 15:39.24 | wwallace | ok thanks for your help ill reboot now to see igf i got any improvement |
| 15:39.27 | RichiH | kombi: look into your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:39.29 | asg | kombi: /etc/debian_version, the version of libc6 installed. |
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| 15:40.14 | kombi | asg / RichiH: 3.0 (that is woody if I recall it right) |
| 15:40.19 | SouSuKe | does the netinst-cd supports r8169? |
| 15:40.28 | asg | kombi: yes |
| 15:41.18 | kombi | asg: well, that should have all the packs, no? |
| 15:41.23 | jason__ | chealer, any idea why i'm getting the invalid module format error? |
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| 15:41.33 | kombi | strange.. |
| 15:41.39 | asg | kombi: there are 3 times or so more packages in sid than woody (which is old) |
| 15:42.01 | kombi | asg: ok... what might I do though? |
| 15:42.08 | asg | kombi: backports |
| 15:42.11 | tarzeau | asg: really that much? |
| 15:42.19 | asg | tarzeau: nah, probably not. |
| 15:42.31 | tarzeau | asg: apt-cache stats see the Normal packages count |
| 15:42.35 | tarzeau | not the total package names |
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| 15:43.13 | tarzeau | asg: really only doubled |
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| 15:43.37 | asg | tarzeau: yeah |
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| 15:44.31 | honschu | What is the name of this internetsite where you can diff between kernelversions. |
| 15:44.46 | asg | honschu: kernel.org probably |
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| 15:46.25 | wwallace | no good same time |
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| 15:46.29 | gogo3or | how to cpoy files witchout overdive exist file? |
| 15:46.51 | kvijayan | cp -i |
| 15:46.51 | asg | gogo3or: man cp |
| 15:47.35 | chealer | jason__: sorry |
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| 15:47.45 | gogo3or | asg please |
| 15:47.59 | jason__ | chealer, what should i see in /lib/modules? |
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| 15:48.36 | tarzeau | is there any website that makes galeon eat up 100% cpu (stable galeon)? |
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| 15:48.40 | doub | what's up ? |
| 15:48.50 | winmutt | when is debian stable going to include mysql 4.1? |
| 15:48.51 | mtnman | jason__: /lib/modules should contain a directory for each kernel you have installed. |
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| 15:49.03 | tarzeau | winmutt: if it's not in now. with etch |
| 15:49.05 | jason__ | and what should be in that dir? |
| 15:49.06 | kombi | asg: libzzlib is not in backports either.. I'll have to compile it from source then I guess |
| 15:49.11 | tarzeau | winmutt: which i guess is about due in 1,5 years |
| 15:49.18 | mtnman | jason__: um, kernel modules. |
| 15:49.40 | winmutt | that sucks |
| 15:49.43 | tarzeau | winmutt: why? |
| 15:49.52 | chealer | winmutt: /msg dpkg wwsr |
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| 15:49.54 | tarzeau | winmutt: how do you like postgresql? |
| 15:49.55 | gigabytes | hi all |
| 15:50.03 | tarzeau | winmutt: you can always build your own version of it, no? |
| 15:50.09 | winmutt | i lov postgres but am unable to implement it |
| 15:50.17 | winmutt | tarzeau : i dont have that option |
| 15:50.20 | tarzeau | winmutt: technically or politically? |
| 15:50.26 | tarzeau | winmutt: why not? |
| 15:50.27 | winmutt | politcally |
| 15:50.31 | winmutt | on both |
| 15:50.31 | jason__ | mtnman, i'm just trying to figure out why i'm getting this "incorrect time format error" |
| 15:50.36 | jason__ | it worked when i compiled it this morning |
| 15:50.41 | gigabytes | i've tried to install debian sarge on a pc located in a network where the http proxy is a windows server 2003 |
| 15:50.49 | tarzeau | winmutt: what do you need of 4.1 that's not in now? |
| 15:50.56 | chealer | jason__: what's the packages to compile madwifi? |
| 15:51.01 | gigabytes | I downloaded the netinstall cd |
| 15:51.03 | winmutt | everything 4.1 offers |
| 15:51.04 | winmutt | :) |
| 15:51.04 | tarzeau | gigabytes: which proxy software? |
| 15:51.08 | jason__ | chealer, cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/madwifi co madwifi |
| 15:51.19 | gigabytes | tarzeau, i don't know because i can't access to that proxy server |
| 15:51.19 | doub | tarzeau: 2c on IIS |
| 15:51.35 | gigabytes | i know only the O.S. |
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| 15:51.41 | tarzeau | ms proxy servers have some sucky nonstandard shit |
| 15:51.47 | doub | gigabytes: try doing a HEAD request |
| 15:51.57 | doub | gigabytes: to the proxy |
| 15:52.18 | tarzeau | i've had to do some ugly stuff to get it running in a chain with squid |
| 15:52.22 | tarzeau | (but that's years ago) |
| 15:52.23 | winmutt | tarzeau politics suck :) |
| 15:52.26 | gigabytes | doub, I'm not at school now and i can't do anything now |
| 15:52.27 | furrywolf | think a QMS MagicColor 2200 color laser printer, ethernet, 32mb ram, etc, less than 30k pages printed, working great except for blue occasionally smearing slightly, is a good deal for $50? |
| 15:52.29 | tarzeau | winmutt: who do you tell? |
| 15:52.33 | doub | gigabytes: what's the problem anyway? |
| 15:52.39 | chealer | jason__: heh, you could always try google |
| 15:52.40 | gigabytes | i had problems with downloading packages |
| 15:52.44 | winmutt | the only real prob is that mysql 4.0 libs is unable to connect to 4.1 |
| 15:52.54 | gigabytes | i've selected the mirror with apt-setup |
| 15:53.00 | tarzeau | winmutt: you don't even have debian, have you? |
| 15:53.06 | gigabytes | but the connection is very very slow! |
| 15:53.11 | gigabytes | about 100 bytes/s |
| 15:53.18 | winmutt | i run gentoo |
| 15:53.22 | tarzeau | gigabytes: which country are you in? |
| 15:53.23 | winmutt | all our webservers are debian |
| 15:53.26 | furrywolf | it's postscript, so I figure it's debian-able, but don't want to spend $50 and a not-worth-$50 printer... |
| 15:53.29 | gigabytes | tarzeau, italy |
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| 15:53.34 | asg | kombi: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:53.36 | tarzeau | gigabytes: ah nothing new |
| 15:54.03 | chealer | greycat: BTW the problem we discussed is an important bug of login that will be fixed post-sarge, so thanks for your diagnosis |
| 15:54.03 | mtnman | gigabytes: i lived in italy for two years. |
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| 15:54.06 | jethro | why the hell does firefuck get stuck during the upgrade |
| 15:54.15 | gigabytes | mtnman, cool :) |
| 15:54.15 | tarzeau | jethro: firefox? |
| 15:54.19 | jethro | tarzeau: on windows |
| 15:54.27 | jethro | I m just reacting, not asking anything :) |
| 15:54.27 | gigabytes | the proxy server is attached to a 4 mbps adsl line, it is very fast from other pcs |
| 15:54.29 | tarzeau | jethro: because it's crap (firefuck and windows) |
| 15:54.31 | mtnman | gigabytes: what part of italy? |
| 15:54.34 | gigabytes | (other pcs are windows) |
| 15:54.34 | streuner | haha firefuck :-) |
| 15:54.42 | gigabytes | mtnman, Friuli Venezia Giulia |
| 15:54.42 | jethro | tarzeau: it's my desktop in the office, can't change it :) |
| 15:54.43 | chealer | jethro: hehe :) |
| 15:54.43 | kombi | asg: just looked up the package on backports.org and could not find it.. |
| 15:54.46 | gigabytes | from Udine |
| 15:54.54 | tarzeau | jethro: what about qemu? |
| 15:54.56 | jethro | tarzeau: I m glad I don't have to run ie at least |
| 15:54.56 | asg | kombi: then try to build your own (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 15:54.58 | winmutt | wahts the prob with firefox |
| 15:55.15 | jethro | tarzeau: you didn't get me, I *have* to have the default corporate desktop |
| 15:55.16 | tarzeau | jethro: i've got debian workstations since like 6 years (at werk) |
| 15:55.16 | mtnman | gigabytes: i spent one year in rome and one in courmayeur. |
| 15:55.22 | tarzeau | jethro: that sucks |
| 15:55.28 | tarzeau | jethro: what is the corporate called? |
| 15:55.31 | jethro | tarzeau: I used to have my own laptop running debian |
| 15:55.33 | gigabytes | mtnman, is courmayeur in italy? |
| 15:55.34 | jethro | tarzeau: EDF :) |
| 15:55.36 | tarzeau | jethro: no ssh? |
| 15:55.39 | jason__ | what does this mean? jasonslaptop:/usr/src/linux# make modules_install |
| 15:55.40 | jason__ | ln: when making multiple links, last argument must be a directory |
| 15:55.40 | jason__ | make: *** [_modinst_] Error 1 |
| 15:55.47 | jethro | tarzeau: I m ircing from a debian box though :) |
| 15:55.48 | mtnman | gigabytes: yes, south side of monte bianco |
| 15:55.56 | gigabytes | ah yes |
| 15:56.00 | tarzeau | jethro: at least you don't have to use mIRC :) |
| 15:56.03 | mtnman | val d'aosta |
| 15:56.11 | gigabytes | tarzeau, what about ms proxy server? |
| 15:56.19 | jethro | tarzeau: I d rather do the knives thingie for webmin than use mirc :) |
| 15:56.24 | tarzeau | gigabytes: i dont' remember, only that they are SHIT |
| 15:56.25 | furrywolf | tell the IT department to get stuffed, and that you'll use whatever software you damn well please? |
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| 15:56.46 | doub | gigabytes: can't you use a direct internet connection ? |
| 15:56.46 | gigabytes | tarzeau, can ms proxy server be the problem? |
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| 15:56.55 | tarzeau | gigabytes: yes |
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| 15:57.01 | jethro | actually my desktop runs putty twice, bloatus croaks, and firefuck |
| 15:57.04 | tarzeau | doub: obviously not |
| 15:57.05 | jason__ | isn't make modules_install the command to install new kernel modules that have been compiled with make modules? |
| 15:57.14 | gigabytes | doub, no. I'm in the school network |
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| 15:57.21 | gigabytes | the only line is attached to the proxy server |
| 15:57.29 | doub | tarzeau: i don't get why it's obvious |
| 15:57.32 | gigabytes | and every school pc use that proxy |
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| 15:57.45 | furrywolf | jason: it is. and I've never seen it fail before... |
| 15:58.02 | gigabytes | the only direct line is a single-line isnd connection |
| 15:58.10 | simonrvn | furrywolf: only if you forgot to put sudo in front maybe ;) |
| 15:58.13 | doub | gigabytes: any ftp proxy maybe? that would solve part of your problem |
| 15:58.16 | gigabytes | but 64k aren't enough I think |
| 15:58.21 | aeho | Anyone has an idea, why refresh rates are fucked up in unreal tournament with every resolution? |
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| 15:58.35 | gigabytes | doub, no that server has only a http proxy |
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| 15:58.59 | jethro | aeho: because gaming is the root of all evil |
| 15:58.59 | furrywolf | simon: bah. I just compile and install the kernel as root. if someone wants to hack the kernel to 0wn my box, there's plenty of ways to do it if they can modify the kernel source. not worried about being root to compile it. :P |
| 15:59.08 | gigabytes | tarzeau, can I solve problems with ms proxy non-standard shit? |
| 15:59.13 | jethro | !root |
| 15:59.14 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 15:59.14 | tarzeau | gigabytes: i don't care |
| 15:59.25 | doub | gigabytes: try asking your net admin then, and see if you can figure it out |
| 15:59.33 | aeho | jethro, no it's not, gaming is fun |
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| 15:59.44 | jethro | petroleum: :) |
| 15:59.44 | tarzeau | gigabytes: hire a consultant, i might remember then |
| 15:59.50 | jethro | PerfDave: even |
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| 16:00.11 | jethro | aeho: gaming causes massive diarhea |
| 16:00.14 | LarsOtte | #debian.de |
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| 16:00.53 | greycat | jethro: or carpal tunnel |
| 16:00.53 | doub | jethro: drinking beer is way better |
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| 16:01.06 | jethro | doub: greycat: agreed! |
| 16:01.08 | greycat | jethro: or tennis elbow |
| 16:01.15 | greycat | or "involuntary celibacy" |
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| 16:01.22 | gigabytes | doub, yes... I talked with him many times |
| 16:01.24 | jethro | damn it I didn't imagine gaming would do such harm |
| 16:01.29 | doub | jethro: and talking with 15 years old schoolgirls |
| 16:01.31 | jethro | !curse gaming |
| 16:01.31 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, gaming! |
| 16:01.31 | stew | seems borderline voluntary |
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| 16:01.46 | gigabytes | but it can't do anything |
| 16:01.50 | jethro | doub: a/s/l kiss me plzkthx |
| 16:01.56 | gigabytes | *he* |
| 16:02.13 | asuffield | doub: if Phated is your idea of a good time then you need to get out more |
| 16:02.17 | gigabytes | tarzeau, i didn't understand what you mean |
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| 16:02.33 | jethro | hah |
| 16:02.40 | furrywolf | no one wants to comment on whether that printer is a good deal for $50? bah. :P |
| 16:02.41 | Phated | asuffield: I'm 17, damnit. |
| 16:02.44 | gogogo | hi |
| 16:02.56 | asuffield | Phated: 15, 17, where's the difference? |
| 16:03.03 | Phated | 2! |
| 16:03.07 | doub | asuffield: one would say 2 |
| 16:03.07 | gogogo | =2 |
| 16:03.10 | jethro | 17 have bigger breast |
| 16:03.13 | jethro | usually |
| 16:03.20 | asuffield | she's asian, no way |
| 16:03.26 | jethro | ah point! |
| 16:03.26 | asuffield | they're all short and flat-chested |
| 16:03.27 | gogogo | ... |
| 16:03.43 | petroleum | hey jethro sorry didnt see u there before |
| 16:03.46 | Phated | He's right, though. |
| 16:03.46 | gogo3or | gogogo: ? |
| 16:03.54 | gogo3or | what a nick? |
| 16:04.00 | jethro | petroleum: np, the message was addressed to PerfDave anyway :) |
| 16:04.08 | petroleum | ah |
| 16:04.09 | petroleum | lol |
| 16:04.11 | petroleum | well hello neway :D |
| 16:04.15 | jethro | hello :) |
| 16:04.19 | gogogo | hello |
| 16:04.21 | doub | asuffield: size doesn't really matter anyway, it's only what you're doing with it |
| 16:04.22 | gogogo | :) |
| 16:04.40 | gogo3or | gogogo: :) this is very similar to my |
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| 16:04.56 | petemc | doub: it? you would hope there would be more than one |
| 16:05.05 | jethro | doub: :) |
| 16:05.06 | petemc | and less than 3 |
| 16:05.15 | greycat | asuffield: and you complained about my "booty" pun the other day? |
| 16:05.16 | doub | petemc: them, sorry. |
| 16:05.18 | jethro | unless you shag the hooker from tchernobyl |
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| 16:05.35 | asuffield | greycat: it's okay when I do it. you're old and married, that's icky |
| 16:05.42 | asg | hah |
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| 16:05.48 | doub | furrywolf: who told you we were doing so? at least i don't |
| 16:05.49 | Phated | Heh. |
| 16:05.51 | jethro | hah |
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| 16:06.34 | kynes | I compiled a library |
| 16:06.38 | streuner | Don't listen to him to much, he is in a bad mood :-) |
| 16:06.40 | kynes | how can I install it? |
| 16:06.51 | doub | furrywolf: and take the problem the other way, in what respect being mature is important? |
| 16:06.54 | Phated | furrywolf: Hardly see why you should cmplain about IRC, though. Real life consists of remarkable immature guys who see women as sex objects or servants. |
| 16:07.03 | jethro | kynes: why don't you install a package? |
| 16:07.19 | kynes | it comes this way |
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| 16:07.26 | jethro | Phated: what about chicks seeing mens as wallets ? |
| 16:07.28 | kynes | I've searched for package but no help |
| 16:07.30 | furrywolf | phated: I know. but at least real-life they're usually so afraid of losing a date they shut up. :P |
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| 16:07.43 | Phated | jethro: Fair play. |
| 16:07.44 | jethro | kynes: what is it? |
| 16:07.54 | kynes | jethro: tinyPTC |
| 16:07.54 | Phated | furrywolf: You mean they -get- dates in real life? |
| 16:08.03 | destr0__ | can I force debian to re-install a package so that I get fresh version of the binaries |
| 16:08.06 | jethro | kynes: what does it do? |
| 16:08.14 | greycat | destr0__: apt-get --reinstall install ... |
| 16:08.17 | furrywolf | sadly, yes. proof there's a flaw in Darwin's theories... |
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| 16:08.39 | kynes | a graphics library |
| 16:08.45 | destr0__ | greycat: part 2 is it possible to make debian re-install the ps binary |
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| 16:09.07 | kynes | has just three functions.. |
| 16:09.08 | greycat | destr0__: yes. |
| 16:09.10 | lasala | hey can you start a vmware image by using the command line ? |
| 16:09.19 | jethro | kynes: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 16:09.20 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know of an easy way to figure out what version of the GNU Scientific Library ships with RedHat 7.1? |
| 16:09.23 | asuffield | furrywolf: nah, it merely demonstrates that the necessary qualities for reproducing are fairly pitiful |
| 16:09.23 | destr0__ | that's in the procps package correct? |
| 16:09.29 | greycat | yup. |
| 16:09.30 | furrywolf | lasala: read the vmware documentation? |
| 16:09.34 | stew | Knight_Lord: wrong channel |
| 16:09.41 | lasala | i read it |
| 16:09.45 | furrywolf | very wrong channel. :P |
| 16:09.46 | Knight_Lord | Stew yea i guess, sorry |
| 16:09.47 | asg | Knight_Lord: #redhat might know |
| 16:10.05 | kynes | jethro: thanks for your concern |
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| 16:10.24 | jethro | kynes: what does this mean? |
| 16:10.27 | doub | asuffield: who's talking about reproducing ? we were just talking about 15 years old schoolgirls |
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| 16:10.53 | asuffield | doub: is there a difference? |
| 16:11.08 | EdibleText | If they're old enough to go to the store, they're old enough to get bread. |
| 16:11.10 | kynes | jethro: nothing I guess.. the message from dpkg had a warning in it |
| 16:11.10 | mtnman | doub: do you have any idea what the teenage pregnancy rate is? |
| 16:11.22 | Phated | Too high. |
| 16:11.31 | kynes | jethro: and I just wanted to thank for the indirect advice |
| 16:11.37 | jethro | kynes: ah ok |
| 16:11.48 | asuffield | "your average teenager will become pregnant four or five times" |
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| 16:12.12 | doub | asuffield: how will i bring back my cliche-o-meter now ? |
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| 16:12.17 | mtnman | assuffield: average _female_ teenager. including males will skew the average. |
| 16:12.21 | greycat | heh |
| 16:12.23 | furrywolf | lol |
| 16:12.26 | asuffield | mtnman: oh, right. eight or nine times |
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| 16:14.09 | doub | Phated: and so you'd like to prevent it going too high by taking men as wallets seeking sex toys? |
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| 16:14.23 | Phated | doub: Sorry, what? |
| 16:14.35 | jethro | hah |
| 16:14.43 | jethro | wallets seeking sex toys I like the idea |
| 16:14.43 | asuffield | I think he's saying that you prefer plastic guys because you don't get pregnant |
| 16:14.46 | greycat | !hitachi vibrator |
| 16:14.46 | dpkg | somebody said hitachi vibrator was http://www.libida.com/content/shop/toys/item.php?view=toys&product_id=001037 |
| 16:15.03 | Delph | jethro: i need to get something to stop that happening to my wallet |
| 16:15.09 | Delph | it keeps running away and ordering things online =:/ |
| 16:15.20 | jethro | duh |
| 16:15.35 | furrywolf | the magic wand sucks... so many more fun toys available lately. |
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| 16:15.39 | myr | Hi guys ! |
| 16:15.58 | myr | Stupid question : how can I read syslog's logs? |
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| 16:16.06 | doub | myr: don't despise women in here |
| 16:16.12 | mtnman | myr: less /var/log/syslog |
| 16:16.16 | jethro | myr: use more, less, cat, vim, whatever reads a text file |
| 16:16.42 | jethro | see you later everyone, I m going home |
| 16:16.44 | myr | sorry ladies ! |
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| 16:16.48 | doub | myr: especially 17 yo schoolgirls |
| 16:16.48 | asuffield | 'women' is stretching it. helix is not here and Phated is too young to qualify |
| 16:16.49 | furrywolf | multi-function vibrators with clit-stimulators, vibrating, rotating, squirming shafts, etc, etc, with digital controls... the hitachi is a bit dated. :P |
| 16:17.01 | lexxan | what the hell are you all talkin about |
| 16:17.12 | jethro | lexxan: debian issues |
| 16:17.13 | jethro | haha |
| 16:17.16 | lexxan | lol |
| 16:17.17 | doub | lexxan: 15 to 17 yo schoolgirls |
| 16:17.19 | chealer | doub: what does that mean? |
| 16:17.24 | myr | Thank you very much ! |
| 16:17.24 | greycat | lexxan: asuffield is hung up on asian adolescents. |
| 16:17.33 | chealer | doub: "don't despise women in here" |
| 16:17.33 | myr | Good bye Ladies and Gentlemen ! |
| 16:17.40 | lexxan | I'd still do a 17 yearold |
| 16:17.42 | lexxan | i'm only 22 =[ |
| 16:17.55 | doub | chealer: he first said "hi guys" |
| 16:18.08 | Trevelyan[dex] | fwiw kernel-image-2.6.X (10, 11 tried) is broken for sata / boots. i built my own kernel and it boot fine, just thought i should say somewhere |
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| 16:18.30 | chealer | I thought guy included females |
| 16:18.33 | streuner | doub: drop that talk, it causes only trouble |
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| 16:19.02 | mtnman | chealer: "guys" includes transvestites. |
| 16:19.15 | chealer | doub: but wordnet agrees with you |
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| 16:19.30 | wwallace | mtnman: gays is transvestites |
| 16:19.33 | wwallace | not guys |
| 16:19.47 | mtnman | wwallace: not neccesarily. |
| 16:19.51 | PerfDave | wwallace: You're *so* wrong it hurts ;) |
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| 16:20.01 | wwallace | ok |
| 16:20.02 | mtnman | wwallace: nice try at a pun, however. |
| 16:20.03 | wwallace | my bad |
| 16:20.05 | PerfDave | Can we stop talking about fucking underage kids yet? I think there are some people with Debian-ralated issues. |
| 16:20.11 | wwallace | thats how i thought it was |
| 16:20.21 | mtnman | perfdave: they are welcome to chime in at any time... |
| 16:20.25 | WillR | (PerfDave): thank you |
| 16:20.27 | pfortuny | getty[19723]: tty1: input overrun... what's this and why is this permanent? |
| 16:20.30 | Sphinx_Ra | is x-chat not cappible to connect to server independance-net or what this is not the only server i can't connect only servers that are preinstalled.. |
| 16:20.40 | WillR | (PerfDave): whats the best debian package to use to download transvestite underage porn? |
| 16:20.51 | wwallace | #xchat |
| 16:20.58 | whm | ÄÜ¿´µ½²»£¿ |
| 16:21.03 | PerfDave | WillR: I have to say, that's not an area of Debian usage in which I have any experience ;p |
| 16:21.15 | PerfDave | WillR: All my transvestite porn is overage ;) |
| 16:21.16 | whm | ÓÐÖйúµÄô£¿£¿ |
| 16:21.17 | wwallace | who the hell is WillR? |
| 16:21.25 | pfortuny | getty[19723]: tty1: input overrun... what's this and why is this permanent? |
| 16:21.29 | pfortuny | any help? :( |
| 16:21.31 | furrywolf | hrmm... apparently even though the printer claims to be postscript, it's actually some "Zenographics ZjStream" language. |
| 16:21.31 | WillR | (wwallace): i donno ask him |
| 16:21.35 | whm | Ö¨Ò»Éù |
| 16:21.41 | wwallace | thats really out of bounce |
| 16:21.43 | streuner | whm: stop it |
| 16:21.47 | wwallace | wrong channel i guess |
| 16:21.50 | dfzi | whm, good korean shit. keep going, mate! |
| 16:21.55 | sparr_ | using kdm, how can I specify that I want two programs to be run automatically when I log in to a certain window manager? |
| 16:21.56 | WillR | wen you ask someone online who they ar .. do you really exepct an ansewr. how do you really answer that? |
| 16:21.59 | streuner | whm: we get only odd signs here |
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| 16:22.12 | dfzi | streuner, must be an asian takeoverer. :& |
| 16:22.15 | PerfDave | sparr_: You'd probably put them in the wm's startup config, not in the dm config. |
| 16:22.20 | whm | i am not korean |
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| 16:22.25 | sparr_ | PerfDave: the wm doesnt have a startup config |
| 16:22.30 | WillR | i speak korean |
| 16:22.32 | greycat | whm: speak english here, please. |
| 16:22.33 | toresbe | Phated is 17, I'm 17 - we must be perfect for eachother. |
| 16:22.36 | PerfDave | sparr_: What wm? |
| 16:22.38 | WillR | i am not korean either tho |
| 16:22.43 | Phated | toresbe: Get away from me, you freak. |
| 16:22.43 | whm | i see |
| 16:22.50 | sparr_ | PerfDave: openbox |
| 16:23.05 | Phated | .xinitrc? |
| 16:23.11 | asuffield | toresbe: go ahead and try, it will be entertaning to see you get beaten up by a girl |
| 16:23.15 | PerfDave | sparr_: Openbox has no way of running programs at startup? |
| 16:23.15 | resiak | .xsession if you're using a DM. |
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| 16:23.27 | resiak | PerfDave: Not apart from .x{session,initrc} |
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| 16:23.37 | sparr_ | PerfDave: what resiak said |
| 16:23.41 | PerfDave | So use them? |
| 16:23.49 | Phated | Give the man a beer. |
| 16:23.49 | kynes | mother earth has enough freaks to feed us until next 1000 years |
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| 16:24.02 | Phated | And not enough freaks like you who want to eat them. |
| 16:24.08 | furrywolf | lol |
| 16:24.14 | sparr_ | i dont know how xsession is to be arranged, and i dont want it to start for every WM (which happens if i put them in xinitrc) |
| 16:24.22 | asuffield | I only want to eat the girls |
| 16:24.22 | chealer | kynes: 1000 years of sundays? |
| 16:24.38 | kynes | Phated: maybe we will eat each other.. become cannibals.. after 3. ww |
| 16:24.39 | mtnman | sparr_: you can write a short script which can be run in .xsession/.xinitrc |
| 16:24.45 | resiak | sparr_: Not if you put it in _your_ .xinitrc. |
| 16:24.47 | kynes | possibilitiess.. |
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| 16:25.15 | sparr_ | resiak: when i put them in _my_ .xinitrc they get run no matter which wm i pick |
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| 16:25.49 | sparr_ | im not so good at shell scripting. im sure i could write a script to check which wm is running and decide which apps to run, but thats beyond me :( |
| 16:25.54 | sparr_ | i was hoping the functionality already existed |
| 16:25.57 | resiak | sparr_: Well ... how are you picking your WM? |
| 16:25.59 | mtnman | sparr_: write a script that checks which wm you are using and runs stuff accordingly. have .xinitrc run that script. |
| 16:26.01 | doub | furrywolf: maturity is not at issue i bet. just being boring is. nothing prevents you from being immature and yet interresting |
| 16:26.07 | sparr_ | resiak: kdm |
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| 16:26.58 | sparr_ | mtnman: im not so good with scripting :( |
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| 16:27.22 | furrywolf | doub: somehow I doubt any guy that sees women as walking sex objects is going to be very interesting to much of anyone except like-minded guys. |
| 16:27.26 | ircdevil | i am going to put some lables on this eps picture i have using xfig, however, the preview image embedded in the eps picture, which is shown in xfig, is too low resolution so i may recognice the features i need to lable. any ideas? |
| 16:27.28 | mtnman | sparr_: consider this an opportunity to improve your skills. there is a beginners bash-scripting howto at tldp.org |
| 16:27.28 | nottu | i get this error when i try to connect to cvs over ssh: cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) and no "above message" what can it be wrong ? |
| 16:27.29 | tpr | what were the good netinst minicds for debian named again? |
| 16:27.58 | stew | sparr_: you can have multiple files: .xinitrc-openbox, .xinitrc-kde, whatever, and just switch which the .xinitrc synlink points to |
| 16:27.59 | streuner | !d-i tpr |
| 16:28.00 | dpkg | tpr, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:28.03 | Phated | furrywolf: You must remember that men who are provide a large amount of amusement to women. |
| 16:28.06 | chealer | nottu: are you sure the server isn't the problem? |
| 16:28.13 | furrywolf | phated: lol |
| 16:28.36 | nottu | chealer: server is localhost... so what can be wrong ? |
| 16:28.41 | sparr_ | stew: that still leaves me where i am now... how do i switch the symlink based on which wm i choose? |
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| 16:29.22 | mtnman | sparr_: seems it leaves you in need of learning to script in sh :) |
| 16:29.25 | chealer | nottu: local server?... use google |
| 16:29.31 | furrywolf | I once got into an argument at work... for some reason every other cow-orker would yell out "check out the ass on that one!" or similar comments every time a woman walked in front of the office... I'd be the only guy there who didn't stop whatever I was doing to follow her with my eyes... one day got fed up with them. :) |
| 16:29.33 | doub | furrywolf: the problem being that they walk |
| 16:29.40 | nottu | chealer: used.. got no help |
| 16:29.46 | sparr_ | mtnman: im amazed this doesnt exist already |
| 16:29.59 | chealer | nottu: don't tell me that you didn't find that error hundreds of times |
| 16:30.29 | doub | furrywolf: seriously, i agree with you. but maturity is not the issue, there are 70 yo guys who still do |
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| 16:30.32 | nottu | chealer: found it .. the problem is in my case i don't have an "above message".... |
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| 16:30.41 | mtnman | sparr_: if you're planning on spending much time with linux, it would be very useful to, at least, learn the basics of shell-scripting. |
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| 16:30.54 | furrywolf | doub: mental maturity doesn't seem related to physical maturity. |
| 16:31.10 | furrywolf | i.e. just because you're 70 doesn't mean you can't act like you stopped maturing at age 3... |
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| 16:31.56 | sparr_ | mtnman: the basics i know. but how would i go about checking which wm is running? |
| 16:32.00 | valdyn_ | sparr_: you are thinking complicated, you dont want to "choose session based on wm choice", you want to choose between several sessions, each of them *incidentally* having a different "session" |
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| 16:32.26 | chealer | nottu: see for example http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.anthill.devel/33 (I'm not saying there's a solution explained) |
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| 16:32.36 | tpr | noone? netinst images, good ones? :) |
| 16:32.37 | sparr_ | valdyn_: what? |
| 16:32.40 | greycat | !d-i |
| 16:32.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 16:33.19 | sparr_ | valdyn_: what is a session? |
| 16:33.21 | kynes | thanks and bye |
| 16:33.30 | mtnman | sparr_: the first line of my .xsession is "WINDOWMANAGER="fvwm"". so, check the value of $WINDOMANAGER. |
| 16:33.44 | tpr | tu grey |
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| 16:34.19 | valdyn_ | sparr_: in this case i guess "whatever you want to have run", when you start X ( or pick a wm ) |
| 16:34.24 | yourghetek | where or how do i get debian.org into my repositories? |
| 16:34.43 | sparr_ | mtnman: my .xsession is empty |
| 16:34.45 | greycat | yourghetek: you got it when you install debian. |
| 16:34.58 | mtnman | sparr_: .xinitrc? |
| 16:35.00 | sparr_ | valdyn_: ok, so how do i choose between that? im not picky, i just want it to work |
| 16:35.11 | sparr_ | mtnman: doesnt exist |
| 16:35.12 | yourghetek | i installed kubuntu, is that debian? |
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| 16:35.21 | Phated | No. |
| 16:35.21 | chealer | yourghetek: no |
| 16:35.22 | mtnman | sparr_: look for the system default in /etc |
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| 16:35.25 | PerfDave | yourghetek: No, it's Ubuntu. #ubuntu |
| 16:35.34 | yourghetek | ok |
| 16:35.36 | Phated | Maybe there's a #kubuntu. |
| 16:35.39 | yourghetek | thannks |
| 16:35.47 | [Granger] | heh |
| 16:35.49 | [Granger] | I gotta say |
| 16:35.51 | lexxan | there is |
| 16:35.52 | lexxan | heh |
| 16:35.57 | [Granger] | Ubuntu looks pretty sleak |
| 16:36.11 | [Granger] | but I could do without the redhat style [ ok ] kernel messages |
| 16:36.13 | yourghetek | kubuntu is same thing but with kde |
| 16:36.23 | [Granger] | yourghetek: yes I know what Kubuntu is |
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| 16:36.30 | lexxan | I used ubuntu for awhile |
| 16:36.32 | loka | hol |
| 16:36.33 | lexxan | debian wins |
| 16:36.34 | chealer | yourghetek: usually debian is called debian |
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| 16:36.43 | sparr_ | mtnman: it runs /etc/X11/Xsession which is a pretty long script that doesnt appear to DO anything |
| 16:36.53 | streuner | Or do you call apple bananas? |
| 16:37.17 | yourghetek | i thought that debian is like windows NT so kubuntu is equivalent to "built on NT technology" |
| 16:37.17 | loka | HELLO |
| 16:37.17 | mtnman | sparr_: if i were you i'd be writing a ~/.xsession |
| 16:37.20 | [Granger] | s |
| 16:37.29 | loka | TU PUTA MADRE |
| 16:37.33 | chealer | streuner: yeah, there seems to be a convention of calling stuff by stuff's name |
| 16:37.33 | sparr_ | mtnman: i had one. apparently i arranged it incorrectly, it did nothing. |
| 16:37.46 | chealer | loka: please stop that |
| 16:37.47 | [Granger] | yourghetek: 2000 isn't "built on NT technology" |
| 16:37.51 | [Granger] | it freaking IS NT |
| 16:37.51 | wwallace | loka mucha loka |
| 16:38.07 | lexxan | i guess the nice thing about ubuntu is it's actually updated every 6 months |
| 16:38.09 | loka | KE ACES TONTA |
| 16:38.15 | wwallace | nada mija |
| 16:38.15 | yourghetek | im just saying thats what it says when it boots |
| 16:38.18 | sparr_ | mtnman: can you provide a short example of what i would need to put in it to run, as a random example, xterm? |
| 16:38.20 | [Granger] | Microsoft and their marketin department, *sigh* |
| 16:38.24 | [Granger] | marketing* |
| 16:38.25 | streuner | !es |
| 16:38.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:38.26 | loka | KE YA SE KIEN SOYS |
| 16:38.31 | asuffield | their marketing department with a very short memory |
| 16:38.33 | [Granger] | loka: be quiet please |
| 16:38.35 | wwallace | sisas |
| 16:38.46 | asuffield | the T in NT stands for 'technology', so 'NT technology' is just retarded |
| 16:38.54 | mtnman | sparr_: i can dcc it to you... |
| 16:38.58 | loka | KE ACES |
| 16:39.04 | yourghetek | im jus tsaying thats what they put into the boot screen |
| 16:39.06 | [Granger] | asuffield: "as long as it sells" |
| 16:39.06 | wwallace | nada |
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| 16:39.38 | valdyn_ | sparr_: i dont know kdm unfortunately, for gdm you could just put .desktop file(s) into /etc/dm/Sessions/ |
| 16:39.39 | streuner | thanks asuffield |
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| 16:40.08 | mtnman | sparr_: you can also consult "man xsession" |
| 16:40.14 | sparr_ | valdyn_: my /etc/dm/ is empty :( |
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| 16:40.34 | sparr_ | mtnman: your xsession launches fvwm? wont that give you two copies of it running? i dont want to launch openbox, im already launching openbox |
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| 16:40.44 | EdibleText | whoa... spanish is one thing.. but that all caps AOL-es was too much |
| 16:40.58 | mtnman | sparr_: why do you think it would open a second session? |
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| 16:41.15 | valdyn_ | sparr_: apt-get install ion2 *might* put an example there for you ( ion2.desktop ) |
| 16:41.16 | Tallia1 | hi guys.. i need some help on usb2..... someone can help me!? |
| 16:41.31 | [Granger] | Tallia1: not if you don't ask |
| 16:41.33 | sparr_ | mtnman: well, im already opening one... if i put 'exec openbox' in there i would expect it to start a second copy of openbox |
| 16:41.38 | valdyn_ | sparr_: but keep in mind, i dont know if kdm will use this, gdm will |
| 16:41.50 | mtnman | sparr_: how are you opening the first one? |
| 16:41.58 | sparr_ | valdyn_: i think it does not, i have the empty dir but kdm is aware of the 3 DE/WMs i have installed |
| 16:42.00 | Tallia1 | ok....... it's because i've make a request on about 5 channels.. and noone answer...; :( |
| 16:42.03 | sparr_ | mtnman: choosing it on the list in kdm |
| 16:42.20 | valdyn_ | sparr_: oh, that place is not the only place for gdm to put sessions, nor would it be for kdm |
| 16:42.31 | streuner | greycat: you didn't miss too much ;-) |
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| 16:42.40 | Tallia1 | i've connected to one of my usb ports a printer.. so the usb hub maybe ok |
| 16:42.52 | mtnman | sparr_: i don't use a display manager. sorry, i cannot provide info. |
| 16:42.56 | Tallia1 | but the problem is that i have a usb2 key........ how i can use it?!? |
| 16:43.01 | sparr_ | sadly neither can #kde or #openbox |
| 16:43.02 | Tallia1 | can i* |
| 16:43.11 | [Granger] | Tallia1: plug it in mount it enjoy |
| 16:43.11 | sparr_ | #kde says its openbox's job to handle starting apps |
| 16:43.17 | sparr_ | #openbox says kdm can do it |
| 16:43.20 | valdyn_ | sparr_: look at /usr/share/xsessions/ ( but *there* you are not supposed to put stuff ) |
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| 16:43.34 | Tallia1 | [Granger]: |
| 16:43.43 | Tallia1 | [Granger]: how can i mount it!? |
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| 16:43.53 | sparr_ | valdyn_: yep, thats where its kept, i see all 4 there |
| 16:44.02 | sparr_ | valdyn_: i dont WANT to edit those files, but if i have to... |
| 16:44.08 | alienn_ | Hi, I just did a dist-upgrade on my sarge machine and the package menu won't upgrade. |
| 16:44.09 | [Granger] | Tallia1: how new to Linux are you? |
| 16:44.18 | valdyn_ | sparr_: if you want to make your own, make it in /etc/dm/Sessions/ |
| 16:44.18 | kombi | what was it again for tar and bz2, xjz? |
| 16:44.25 | streuner | if he asking about mount...? |
| 16:44.25 | [Granger] | and quit using annoying punctuation |
| 16:44.34 | mtnman | alienn_: tried apt-get install menu? |
| 16:44.39 | Tallia1 | 2 weeks... |
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| 16:44.42 | ballessay | Tallial: for e.g. mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb |
| 16:44.43 | [Granger] | ?!??!?!? <---- this isn't cute, it's annoying |
| 16:44.47 | Tallia1 | or less.. |
| 16:44.50 | idnar | kombi: xjf is what you want, I think |
| 16:44.56 | sparr_ | valdyn_: i dont want to make my own. id rather not do anything root-level. i just want certain apps to be run when THIS user picks openbox |
| 16:44.56 | idnar | !punctuation |
| 16:45.02 | Tallia1 | what is sda for!? |
| 16:45.09 | kombi | idnar: thanks! |
| 16:45.15 | alienn_ | mtnman: of course. The problem is that there seems to be a bug with the pre-install/removal script |
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| 16:45.26 | sparr_ | Tallia1: /dev/sda? scsi device number 1 |
| 16:45.29 | [Granger] | Tallia1: go buy that book, and read it |
| 16:45.36 | [Granger] | you need some Linux fundamentals |
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| 16:45.41 | mtnman | alienn_: should have mentioned that at first. what is the bug? |
| 16:45.42 | [Granger] | and that book will teach you want you need to know |
| 16:45.51 | mtnman | alienn_: let me guess... missing file? |
| 16:45.55 | alienn_ | mtnman: Even a purge before a fresh install won't work *g* |
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| 16:46.11 | alienn_ | I get 'syntax error in status file: at /usr/sbin/install-docs line 383, <S> line 1." |
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| 16:46.43 | stew | Tallia1: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 16:46.46 | streuner | alienn_: what version of debian? |
| 16:46.48 | mtnman | alienn_: not familiar with that one. tried plugging it into a search engine? |
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| 16:46.58 | Tallia1 | let me know a thing........ if i have to mount manually the key.. what is hotplug for?!? |
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| 16:47.16 | greycat | hotplug is for loading modules & shit. |
| 16:47.17 | [Granger] | sigh |
| 16:47.20 | greycat | autofs is for mounting & shit. |
| 16:47.26 | [Granger] | Tallia1: quit using combinations of ?!?! |
| 16:47.28 | alienn_ | streuner: Debian sarge, all packages up2date, hust menu is still missing due to the bug |
| 16:47.28 | [Granger] | it's annoying |
| 16:47.42 | Tallia1 | ok |
| 16:47.48 | [Granger] | it ain't cute, it's annoying |
| 16:48.11 | greycat | ?! is normally used to express extreme frustration |
| 16:48.18 | alienn_ | mtnman: Yes tried that, but there seems to be no one else having this bug. I searched for "menu sarge 'syntax error in status file'" |
| 16:48.30 | [Granger] | greycat: well he seriously needs to read the book |
| 16:48.32 | asg | greycat: ?!?! is extreme frustruation & shit? |
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| 16:48.38 | mtnman | alienn_: try pasting the error message into the search. |
| 16:48.40 | greycat | asg: yes. |
| 16:48.52 | [Granger] | if you don't know how the linux file system is structured |
| 16:49.01 | [Granger] | you should begin by attempting to understand it |
| 16:49.02 | streuner | alienn_: report that bug to submit@bugs.debian.org , look at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00010.html |
| 16:49.05 | [Granger] | not by mounting stuff |
| 16:49.54 | streuner | alienn_: just remove the package, and reinstall it after you have all packages installed |
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| 16:50.37 | alienn_ | streuner: I can't remove it as the same error message appears on a purge or remove |
| 16:51.00 | valdyn_ | sparr_: ok, i understand, so either openbox supports starting up programs as you want to, or imo the better choice would be to add your session(s) as root, checking for which wm is run seems just dirty |
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| 16:51.21 | mtnman | alienn_: have you tried looking in said file at said line to see what is up? |
| 16:51.51 | alienn_ | mtnman: Yes, did that, but it is not really clear to me what the problem could be. |
| 16:51.59 | streuner | alienn_: easy to remove it, just move (mv) the files according to the package to /tmp and run apt-get -f install again /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.* |
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| 16:52.03 | Tallia1 | sparr_: let me know another thing.. how i can be sure that is the sda1 the device for my usb key? |
| 16:52.07 | sparr_ | valdyn_: it doesnt. so say i want to add a session as root. what would be the "right" place to tell it to look for the programs to run for the user? i would just make up a ~/.somethingrc file? |
| 16:52.19 | [Granger] | Tallia1: you can't |
| 16:52.21 | sparr_ | Tallia1: mount it and find out. if you dont have any other scsi devices then it is |
| 16:52.46 | Tallia1 | ok.. |
| 16:53.07 | mtnman | sparr_: ~/.xsession. man xsession has more info. |
| 16:53.20 | Tallia1 | i've asked you because now i'll mount a Creative Zen.. |
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| 16:53.32 | davis | Tallia1: you can also fdisk -l /dev/sda to see the partitions. |
| 16:53.49 | [Granger] | umm |
| 16:53.50 | Tallia1 | i have to mount the device before use it!? |
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| 16:53.55 | valdyn_ | sparr_: yea, and about ~/.xsession. You could script a dialog box for user selected and defined sessions too. |
| 16:54.01 | [Granger] | the Zen isn't Linux compatible is it? |
| 16:54.11 | Tallia1 | yes it is compatible |
| 16:54.13 | davis | Tallia1: not if you are just going to view the partitions |
| 16:54.37 | lexxan | Tallia1, gnome automounts usb keys heh |
| 16:54.45 | [Granger] | that's what I thought davis |
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| 16:54.52 | [Granger] | because last time I checked the Zen wasn't linux friendly |
| 16:55.05 | Tallia1 | but now it is! :) |
| 16:55.08 | sparr_ | valdyn_: im just amazed this functionality doesnt already exist. i cant be the first person to want to run per-wm applications. ive got a wm with no pager, so i want to run a pager. but i DONT want that pager to run when i pick a different wm |
| 16:55.40 | Tallia1 | i've checked the fdisk command....... but it prints 10 lines with lots of .... *_* |
| 16:55.54 | mtnman | sparr_: sh has this handy thing called an "if" statement. |
| 16:56.07 | davis | its funny. Just today I read about using -noatime with mounting usb devices, so that you dont waste needless write cycles on the device. |
| 16:56.22 | valdyn_ | sparr_: i dont think there's a big number of people who change wm like that. |
| 16:56.36 | j_k | Tallia1: maybe your device has no partition table, what does 'file - </dev/sda' say ? |
| 16:56.41 | davis | so, mount -o noatime /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
| 16:57.00 | sparr_ | valdyn_: but i dont use the same wm as other people here |
| 16:57.13 | sparr_ | mtnman: right, but how do i know which wm is picked? |
| 16:57.26 | valdyn_ | sparr_: well, sure, but the point is you're planning on switching wms ( and apps to run w/ each ) |
| 16:57.27 | mtnman | sparr_: the normal way to do that is for each user to set their own wm. you may also have a system default. |
| 16:57.41 | Tallia1 | Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?) ecc ecc |
| 16:57.55 | mtnman | sparr_: if you looked at the file i sent you, the first thing it does is set a variable for the wm. |
| 16:58.39 | sparr_ | mtnman: yes, i see that. but that doesnt do what i want. that just runs a particular wm. i want different programs to be run based on the wm i choose |
| 16:59.09 | Tallia1 | mhh.. it was /dev/sda |
| 16:59.12 | Tallia1 | not sda1...... |
| 16:59.13 | mtnman | sparr_: you are unclear. |
| 16:59.15 | lexxan | sparr_, if you expect everything to work automagically install mandrake :P |
| 16:59.16 | greycat | sparr_: how are you choosing it? |
| 16:59.26 | sparr_ | greycat: kdm |
| 16:59.32 | greycat | (@&#(*&Q#@(*$&(Q#&$*@!! |
| 16:59.33 | mtnman | sparr_: are you saying that you always use the same wm, only that it is different from the system default? |
| 16:59.37 | greycat | *thud* *thud* *thud* |
| 16:59.47 | RichiH | !comfort greycat |
| 16:59.47 | dpkg | There, there, greycat. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 16:59.48 | greycat | ask a fucking kde channel then. |
| 16:59.51 | greycat | #kde or #debian-kde |
| 16:59.57 | davis | heh |
| 17:00.01 | greycat | we don't know or care how the fuck kdm works (or fails to) |
| 17:00.07 | valdyn_ | greycat: he wants a completely user defined session selection, thats got nothing to do w/ kdm |
| 17:00.30 | j_k | Tallia1: it's ok, sda is the device (you read the partitions table from) and sda1 is the first partition. |
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| 17:00.37 | sparr_ | mtnman: no. i use different wms. and other users of this machine also use different wms. i dont even know what the system default is. i want different programs run based on the wm i pick |
| 17:00.44 | Delph | tfm needs a bit of reading, i feel. |
| 17:00.56 | sparr_ | mtnman: specifically, when i pick a wm with no panel i want pypanel run, and when i pick a wm with no pager i want obpager run. or both. |
| 17:00.59 | Delph | that of the session manager you're using |
| 17:01.22 | Tallia1 | j_k: ........ i can't understand why the usb printer is automounted and the usbkey no... |
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| 17:01.41 | mtnman | sparr_: well, i've suggested several times that you learn to script in sh. that is the root of the solution to your problem. if you don't want to learn sh, perhaps you need to hire a sysadmin or something. |
| 17:01.59 | sparr_ | Delph: I am not going to rtfm if no one can even half-assuredly say its even possible |
| 17:01.59 | rob_lt | sparr_: so rename startkde to startkde.bak, and create a script called startkde which calls startkde.bak and runs whatever else you want to. Do this for each wm. |
| 17:02.02 | greycat | valdyn_: on the contrary, it has EVERYTHING to do with kdm. |
| 17:02.26 | greycat | valdyn_: if he wants kdm's menu selection thingy widget doodad to say "fvwm" but then to run "foo1& foo2& fvwm", then that's a kdm customization. |
| 17:02.29 | sparr_ | rob_lt: yeah, im considering that solution, but thats root stuff. im sure there has to be something users can do about this problem |
| 17:02.30 | streuner | sparr_: so why not just create a script run foo openbox (parameter) and that starts the script (xsession) ? |
| 17:02.36 | ddddd | if I want to setup a firewall, what network (100mbit) card brings the best performance? how do realtek compare to 3com performance wise? |
| 17:02.42 | valdyn_ | greycat: thats what he doesnt want |
| 17:02.48 | sparr_ | streuner: because id rather solve this problem without root having to get involved |
| 17:03.00 | j_k | Tallia1: what do you mean your printer is 'mounted' ? |
| 17:03.10 | davis | ddddd: i recommend intel network cards. |
| 17:03.22 | streuner | sparr_: you can alter the files whatever you want to |
| 17:03.23 | j_k | Tallia1: did you check 'file - </dev/sda' ? |
| 17:03.25 | greycat | valdyn_: if he wants to script the set of "foo1& foo2&" that's run from .whateverthefuckkdmreadsrc then it'll be a kdm question to figure out what fucking VARIABLES are available to form the basis of his conditionals. |
| 17:03.36 | Delph | sparr_: it's possible |
| 17:03.36 | Delph | sparr_: now go read tfm to find out how, because I saw it somewhere. |
| 17:03.42 | greycat | In EITHER CASE, nobody can POSSIBLY answer it without intimate kdm specific knowledge. |
| 17:03.46 | davis | ddddd: also, i recall something about the DMA operations in the 3comm cards really being polled operations. |
| 17:03.54 | streuner | it makes no sense |
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| 17:03.55 | valdyn_ | greycat: little ~/.xsession script that asks him "what do you want to run" is what he wants ( "i dont want to do anything as root" ) |
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| 17:04.04 | ddddd | davis: polled operations? |
| 17:04.06 | greycat | valdyn_: he said he's choosing it from kdm. |
| 17:04.16 | streuner | he don't want change very fucking 5 seconds his wm :-) |
| 17:04.18 | ddddd | what kind of intel cards? |
| 17:04.23 | streuner | s/very/every/ |
| 17:04.25 | mtnman | valdyn_: i've been trying to tell him just that for about an hour. |
| 17:04.27 | lasala | does anyone know if vmware requires X Session to run ? |
| 17:04.47 | si|vercat | is there a lightweight web-browser available, except console browsers.. |
| 17:04.48 | greycat | mtnman: tell him to drag his questions into #debian-kde. |
| 17:04.50 | mtnman | sparr_ does not want to get root involved, and does not want to learn sh. |
| 17:04.51 | sparr_ | streuner: root modifying system level files seems like a poor solution |
| 17:04.55 | davis | ddddd: yah, ethernet drivers typically use DMA, but the linux driver actually resorts to polling for the 3comm cards. |
| 17:04.55 | Delph | si|vercat: dillo |
| 17:05.02 | mtnman | greycat: i'm done telling him. |
| 17:05.09 | Tallia1 | j_k: i mean that as soon as i plug the printer usb cable...... i can print everything.. |
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| 17:05.14 | sparr_ | mtnman: i dont mind learning sh so much, but if i go so far as to write a whole menu system to pick my wm, whats the point of having a DM in the first place? |
| 17:05.15 | davis | ddddd: get a etherpro they are cheap. |
| 17:05.16 | si|vercat | Delph: =) |
| 17:05.29 | greycat | sparr_: there IS no point to having a DM. |
| 17:05.29 | sparr_ | mtnman: youre basically telling me to rewrite kdm with the feature i want. |
| 17:05.33 | ballessay | Tallial: a printer is not a usb key |
| 17:05.34 | ddddd | davis: if I can't get any intel on this godforsaken island, are realtek a really bad choice or are they quite ok and stable? |
| 17:05.35 | greycat | they're FUCKING STUPID. |
| 17:05.39 | mtnman | sparr_: good question. what *is* the point of having a dm? |
| 17:05.40 | Tallia1 | ...ok |
| 17:05.40 | greycat | Now you're finally starting to understand! |
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| 17:05.53 | sparr_ | mtnman: so my users arent scared away by a console :) |
| 17:06.00 | Tallia1 | and there's no way in order to automount a usb device as soos as it's plugged in?! |
| 17:06.10 | mtnman | sparr_: no, i've been telling you that you should write a short sh script for .xsession. |
| 17:06.14 | Delph | sparr_: where did we say write a menu system to pick your wm? |
| 17:06.18 | streuner | sparr_: kdm is designed to start KDE in the first place... |
| 17:06.19 | ballessay | ohhhhh... |
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| 17:06.28 | Delph | you should *find out* your WM, then use that knowledge to work out what to start |
| 17:06.34 | Tallia1 | for example if i plug in 2 usbkeys.. they're both under /dev/sda!? |
| 17:06.37 | valdyn_ | sparr_: if you want any dm to display your idea of sessions then you have to do stuff as root, if you dont want to do stuff as root, then you have to "rewrite kdm" |
| 17:06.55 | Tallia1 | j_k: sorry, read before.. ;) |
| 17:06.55 | j_k | Tallia1: the next one is /dev/sdb, and so on. |
| 17:06.57 | Delph | valdyn_: why? |
| 17:06.59 | solemnwarning | brb rebooting |
| 17:07.06 | Tallia1 | ahhh ok |
| 17:07.21 | Tallia1 | tnx a lot... so is there an automatic tool?! |
| 17:07.25 | Delph | valdyn_: nothing stops you checking what DM you're running and making choices based on that. |
| 17:07.35 | j_k | Tallia1: there are plenty :-P |
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| 17:07.43 | valdyn_ | Delph: thats what he defined as "rewriting kdm" |
| 17:07.48 | j_k | but you should know how to do this manually :-P |
| 17:07.56 | ballessay | Tallial: type in console "man mount" && "man fstab" |
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| 17:08.07 | mtnman | anyone know of a good hosting company which offers debian preinstalled? |
| 17:08.13 | rob_lt | Tallia1: take a look at ivman.... I found it to work very well. |
| 17:08.22 | valdyn_ | Delph: i know its far easier , thats why " " |
| 17:09.04 | asg | mtnman: dreamhost.com |
| 17:09.17 | sparr_ | streuner: so it seems. maybe gdm has this feature |
| 17:09.20 | sparr_ | or xdm |
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| 17:09.29 | sparr_ | or maybe i DO have to write my own dm |
| 17:09.29 | sparr_ | :( |
| 17:09.44 | sparr_ | valdyn_: what is a session? |
| 17:09.52 | mtnman | asg: thanks. |
| 17:10.08 | Delph | sparr_: what are you talking about? |
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| 17:10.22 | Delph | sparr_: write a script. That works out which window manager you're running. |
| 17:10.23 | valdyn_ | sparr_: the programs you want to be run when logging in. |
| 17:10.26 | testman | Are CGI:IRC clients not allowed to join channels on the freenode network or something? |
| 17:10.27 | Tallia1 | a session is something that is started when you enter in a system that require personalization.. |
| 17:10.33 | Delph | then write a script that looks at that information and runs a different set of programs. |
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| 17:10.43 | Delph | very, very, simple. |
| 17:10.44 | sparr_ | worst case, root can edit the system-wide openbox.desktop files, but thats a horrible solution |
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| 17:10.55 | streuner | mtnman: http://probe-networks.de/ |
| 17:10.56 | sparr_ | Delph: yeah, someone else suggested that :( |
| 17:10.58 | Tallia1 | in order to keep the personalization features associated to a particular user over the time |
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| 17:11.07 | sparr_ | valdyn_: ahh, good to know. yes, thats exactly what I want. |
| 17:11.09 | Delph | sparr_: yes, this is because this is the *sensible* thing to do, the *easy* thing to do. |
| 17:11.35 | Tallia1 | rob_lt: ivman!? |
| 17:11.36 | sparr_ | Delph: I cannot fathom how this feature has never been implemented by anyone else before |
| 17:11.42 | mtnman | thanks streuner. |
| 17:11.49 | sparr_ | Delph: im having a "wtf" moment |
| 17:11.54 | Tallia1 | rob_lt: i'm going to gooooogling |
| 17:12.06 | Delph | sparr_: because it's not something that you really need to worry about. |
| 17:12.10 | mtnman | i think i've finally talked an associate into trying out debian for his next server. |
| 17:12.12 | Delph | sparr_: most people decide on a WM, then use it. |
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| 17:13.04 | sparr_ | Delph: I use the same one most of the time. I could deal with the annoyance of always starting the apps i want with it, then having to close them when i choose another wm. but I would rather not. |
| 17:13.18 | mtnman | asg: are you a customer of dreamhost? |
| 17:13.43 | Delph | having to close them? |
| 17:13.57 | Delph | sparr_: if you choose another WM, then you have another startup file. |
| 17:14.11 | Delph | if you're still deciding on your desktop then decide on one, then use it. |
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| 17:14.23 | sparr_ | Delph: that sounds great! how do i 'have another startup file'? |
| 17:14.30 | Delph | sparr_: rm .xsession |
| 17:14.34 | Delph | vim .xsession |
| 17:14.40 | sparr_ | oh, never mind |
| 17:14.47 | sparr_ | i dont change THAT rarely |
| 17:15.01 | exerd | how do i delete everything in ~/.Trash |
| 17:15.01 | asg | mtnman: I use it for offsite monitoring our some of our equipment. |
| 17:15.05 | valdyn_ | sparr_: this startup files are ( partially ), those .desktop files we already talked about... |
| 17:15.13 | j_k | exerd: man rm |
| 17:15.19 | mtnman | asg: would you like to get the referral bonus? |
| 17:15.31 | ballessay | lol |
| 17:15.36 | sparr_ | valdyn_: yeah, im looking at editing the foo.desktop file to execute ~/.xsession-foo |
| 17:15.37 | asg | mtnman: thanks but it's a work thing, the paperwork would be more trouble than it's worth. |
| 17:15.46 | sparr_ | valdyn_: a dirty hack, but it will work |
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| 17:15.58 | mtnman | asg: all you need to do is fill out an online form with your paypal info. |
| 17:16.02 | valdyn_ | sparr_: not dirty |
| 17:16.11 | simonrvn | exerd: rm ~/.Trash/* |
| 17:16.12 | asg | mtnman: no worries. Thanks though. |
| 17:16.29 | mtnman | asg: okay. |
| 17:16.34 | exerd | simonrvn, Thank you vert much |
| 17:16.41 | sparr_ | valdyn_: dirty because root has to do it. i expected this functionality to already exist, without me screwing with system files. plus, ill lose the change next time i upgrade whatever package contains foo.desktop i think? |
| 17:16.47 | valdyn_ | sparr_: well, not per se, if you make 1 system-wide .desktop file per your own "session", then its dirty ( but easy ) |
| 17:17.25 | streuner | mtnman: how much is the bonus? :-/ |
| 17:17.28 | DoktorTomoe | I need help configuring a printer under debian sid. I am aware of #cups but that channel is dead... anyone dareing to help? |
| 17:17.37 | mtnman | us$97 |
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| 17:18.07 | valdyn_ | !tell DoktorTomoe about cups setup |
| 17:18.20 | dfzi | what MTA you would recommend? it comes for a small home server. |
| 17:18.32 | tabris|away | postfix. |
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| 17:18.48 | mtnman | dfzi: exim is the default for debian and is more than sufficient for your needs. |
| 17:18.53 | sparr_ | valdyn_: nah, this change will work for everyone... and i can even put in a little script to run foo directly if ~/.xsession-foo doesnt exist. but i still think its dirty. |
| 17:19.09 | lexxan | sparr_, Goto an xorg channel |
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| 17:19.20 | dfzi | there are too many of em. exim, (exim4?), postfix, sendmail, courier etc. |
| 17:19.26 | DoktorTomoe | valdyn_: That really is nice, but I have these packages, and I am on localhost:631. It says the printer is avalible, but it does not seem to accept any print orders. |
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| 17:19.42 | mtnman | dfzi: exim4 is the default for sarge. exim is the default for woody. |
| 17:19.54 | sparr_ | valdyn_: this is the second time this week ive had to do this exact same thing. ive got a game installed that doesnt do per-user configs either. had to hack the launcher script for the game so that it appends "exec ~/.gamerc" to the game's internal startup script each time someone launches it |
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| 17:20.11 | sparr_ | valdyn_: im starting to notice an annoying pattern in programs that dont allow for per-user customization |
| 17:20.22 | sparr_ | never encountered this before |
| 17:20.28 | sparr_ | is this a new trend? |
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| 17:20.41 | dfzi | mtnman, mm ok. i'm running 3.1/testing atm |
| 17:21.01 | mtnman | sparr_: might be easier to write a wrapper than to edit the script directly. |
| 17:21.19 | valdyn_ | DoktorTomoe: which command does not work as you think it should? |
| 17:21.23 | mtnman | dfzi: tesing = sarge |
| 17:21.27 | sparr_ | mtnman: it already is a wrapper. i could write another one, youre right. |
| 17:21.49 | sparr_ | valdyn_: how do i keep the foo package from overwriting my changed /usr/share/xsessions/foo.desktop next time i upgrade it? |
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| 17:22.08 | mtnman | sparr_: then you could put the wrapper in /usr/local/bin and everyone would use it. |
| 17:22.12 | giupy | can burnfree cause problem creating audio cd and probing reading with normal stereo ? |
| 17:22.16 | valdyn_ | sparr_: dpkg-divert |
| 17:22.18 | DoktorTomoe | valdyn_: What about "print something, pretty please?" ... it neither prints testpages nor anything else. |
| 17:22.22 | sparr_ | valdyn_: thanks |
| 17:22.26 | sparr_ | ugly ugly solution |
| 17:22.29 | sparr_ | but if its the best option |
| 17:22.32 | flame | what was the first linux distro ? |
| 17:22.33 | DoktorTomoe | these orders dont even appear in the job queue |
| 17:22.40 | flame | who set the standards for linux |
| 17:22.48 | dfzi | mtnman, should i toss coin for choosing between exim / postfix / sendmail&fetchmail? :P |
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| 17:22.52 | valdyn_ | DoktorTomoe: what does /var/log/cups/error_log say about it? |
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| 17:23.09 | mtnman | dfzi: linuxmafia.org has a lot of software descriptions/comparisons. |
| 17:23.24 | dfzi | k |
| 17:23.26 | tay | how do I get more info on runlevels and which rc.d dir to edit my dhcpd startup commandline in |
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| 17:24.14 | mtnman | dfzi: sorry, linuxmafia.com |
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| 17:24.35 | DoktorTomoe | valdyn_: E [18/May/2005:19:24:40 +0200] Unable to convert file 0 to printable format for job 5! |
| 17:24.49 | tay | how do I get more info on runlevels and which rc.d dir to edit my dhcpd startup commandline in, i need to pass the dhcpd a parameter to tell it which ethernet card to bind to |
| 17:24.58 | DoktorTomoe | valdyn_: What is ESP Postscript and how can I get it? |
| 17:25.01 | tay | sorry for the repeats :[ |
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| 17:25.06 | dfzi | mtnman, .com looks even worse |
| 17:25.10 | DoktorTomoe | s/Postscript/Ghostscript/ |
| 17:25.12 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau! |
| 17:25.14 | mtnman | tay: man update-rc.d may help |
| 17:25.24 | tay | k thx mtnman |
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| 17:25.45 | streuner | jharrisonwk: ping! ;-) |
| 17:25.48 | valdyn_ | DoktorTomoe: "apt-cache search esp ghostscript" |
| 17:25.54 | EdibleText | tay, edit /etc/default/dhcp |
| 17:26.01 | lex | Courier-IMAP Masters: There used to be a version that does not work with hypoerthreading... which one is it? |
| 17:26.02 | mtnman | dfzi: check the knowledge base |
| 17:26.10 | EdibleText | s/edit/vim |
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| 17:26.31 | valdyn_ | !cups setup |
| 17:26.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
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| 17:27.35 | jharrisonwk | streuner! |
| 17:27.38 | valdyn_ | !depends cupsys |
| 17:27.40 | dpkg | cupsys: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libcupsimage2 (>= 1.1.19final-1), libcupsys2-gnutls10 (>= 1.1.23-1), libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16), libpam0g (>= 0.76), libpaper1, libslp1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), adduser (>= 3.12), debconf (>= 1.2.9), patch, xpdf-utils, perl-modules |
| 17:27.43 | tay | EdibleText, dhcp mini-howto says that the dhcpd needs the ethernet card to bind to as a commandline param. i cant find anything relevant in the /etc/ file |
| 17:27.45 | jharrisonwk | streuner: how are you? |
| 17:27.47 | bucky | heya grumpydog |
| 17:28.07 | streuner | jharrisonwk: fine thanks |
| 17:28.23 | DoktorTomoe | valdyn_ : That errorlog hint really helped. thanks a lot |
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| 17:28.35 | streuner | jharrisonwk: still nice weather at the bahamas? ;-) |
| 17:28.44 | jharrisonwk | streuner: yes |
| 17:28.45 | simonrvn | tay: /etc/default/dhcpsomething |
| 17:28.50 | jharrisonwk | streuner: but there is a hurricane coming |
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| 17:28.57 | EdibleText | tay, from /etc/default/dhcp "# Defaults for dhcp initscript |
| 17:29.01 | EdibleText | # sourced by /etc/init.d/dhcp |
| 17:29.04 | ddddd | davis: what about realtek (8139cp,8139too), there is no DMA on these, right? They are just to cheap for that? |
| 17:29.04 | tay | EdibleText, nm im an idiot, i can edit the dhcpd init.d file itself. thx simon |
| 17:29.08 | streuner | jharrisonwk: yeah, hurricans sucks in that area |
| 17:29.11 | tay | yes yes thx guys :) |
| 17:30.04 | EdibleText | hurricans usually blow... |
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| 17:30.38 | simonrvn | so do hurricanes |
| 17:30.52 | streuner | hm |
| 17:31.13 | streuner | i know, my english sucks too ;-) |
| 17:31.14 | zinx | what about hurrican'ts? |
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| 17:31.26 | simonrvn | they can't blow |
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| 17:32.09 | simonrvn | they're bad housekeepers |
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| 17:32.26 | streuner | hehe |
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| 17:33.19 | ircdevil | is it possible to do a ps2eps convertion with an imbedded preview image of high quality? ghostscript guru needed. |
| 17:34.10 | simonrvn | convention? |
| 17:35.10 | ircdevil | simonrvn: yes, i get this ps file from some old application and it needs to be redone as an eps file to load in xfig. |
| 17:35.23 | ircdevil | conversion |
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| 17:36.20 | davis | ddddd: dont know. i've only had one realtek card in my life. |
| 17:36.51 | simonrvn | try it |
| 17:37.01 | davis | ddddd: you can get intel nic cards for cheap though. they sell them at "eval" prices direct from the intel site. |
| 17:37.02 | streuner | !rtl8139 |
| 17:37.02 | dpkg | from memory, rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c> |
| 17:37.05 | lex | Anyone knows of a way to tell the 2.6 kernel to not use hyperthreading even if its compiled in? |
| 17:37.30 | streuner | an exception |
| 17:37.34 | davis | lex: you can disable hyperthreading in your bios. |
| 17:37.36 | streuner | !spell exeption |
| 17:37.37 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 17:37.42 | streuner | bah |
| 17:38.03 | greycat | well, do it in octal! |
| 17:38.15 | ddddd | streuner: so 8139too is fine, oder wie? |
| 17:38.23 | streuner | ddddd: no |
| 17:38.34 | greycat | ddddd: the *card* is shit. the 8139too driver is OK considering the hardware. |
| 17:38.35 | streuner | ddddd: its crap, but other cards are fine |
| 17:38.40 | lex | davis, yeah, i know.... can i also tell the kernel? |
| 17:38.58 | davis | lex: not that i know of. |
| 17:38.59 | mtnman | streuner: exception |
| 17:39.09 | destr0__ | I'm seeing a user named irc description ircd in my passwd file even though I don't have irc anything installed, does this user belong to something else besides an internet relay chat daemon? |
| 17:39.19 | ddddd | greycat, streuner: the card or the chipset is shit? |
| 17:39.24 | greycat | ddddd: yes. |
| 17:39.30 | EdibleText | heh |
| 17:39.45 | ddddd | greycat, streuner: both? |
| 17:39.58 | j_k | lex: maybe booting with nosmp on the command line does the job ? |
| 17:40.08 | ddddd | graycat: other cards with that chipset suck as well? |
| 17:40.24 | streuner | ddddd: *cough* we talk in linux (debian) usually about chipsets |
| 17:40.24 | greycat | ddddd: yes. |
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| 17:40.47 | greycat | !rtl81x9.c |
| 17:40.47 | simonrvn | destr0__: less /usr/share/base-passwd/passwd.master |
| 17:40.47 | dpkg | from memory, rtl81x9.c is the openbsd realtek 8129/8139 PCI NIC driver. Quote: "The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made, with the possible exception of the FEAST chip made by SMC. The 8139 supports bus-master DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance gains that bus-master DMA usually offers." |
| 17:40.51 | ddddd | so I go and by some 3com 905? |
| 17:40.57 | greycat | ddddd: that would be much better. |
| 17:41.25 | tay | lol i cant believe thats programmed in |
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| 17:42.01 | simonrvn | it's not hard coded into the bot, if that's what you're thinking |
| 17:42.06 | Unskill3d | did anyone try out xfce here? |
| 17:42.10 | tay | oh i thought it was lol |
| 17:42.10 | greycat | it's just a factoid that someone added. |
| 17:42.16 | tay | ahh |
| 17:42.18 | greycat | there are tens of thousands of factoids |
| 17:42.20 | jethro | tay: hardcoding is evil |
| 17:42.24 | tay | yes yes |
| 17:42.25 | simonrvn | !stats |
| 17:42.25 | dpkg | Since Sat May 14 00:32:44 2005, there have been 51 modifications, 2280 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 783 commands. I have been awake for 4d 17h 9m 43s this session, and currently reference 25497 factoids. I'm using about 16628 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 996.18/45.24 child 760.31/64.01 |
| 17:42.30 | jethro | 0 morons! |
| 17:42.32 | jethro | oh my god! |
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| 17:42.42 | tay | 25500!! yeesh |
| 17:42.56 | simonrvn | !moron tay |
| 17:42.57 | dpkg | tay: You are moron #30 |
| 17:43.00 | tay | thanks!!!! |
| 17:43.03 | simonrvn | 1 moron |
| 17:43.08 | jethro | hah |
| 17:43.09 | streuner | haha |
| 17:43.12 | tay | :`( |
| 17:43.20 | mrbuckets | !moron dpkg |
| 17:43.20 | dpkg | dpkg: You are moron #70 |
| 17:43.29 | tay | lol |
| 17:43.33 | tay | !moron dpkg |
| 17:43.33 | dpkg | dpkg: You are moron #16 |
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| 17:43.37 | tay | sweet |
| 17:43.41 | EdibleText | dpkg howcome there are no morons? I would like to be a *real* moron... pweety pweese? |
| 17:43.43 | dpkg | okay, EdibleText |
| 17:43.48 | EdibleText | heh |
| 17:43.54 | simonrvn | ... |
| 17:44.01 | jethro | dpkg forget howcome there |
| 17:44.01 | dpkg | i forgot howcome there, jethro |
| 17:44.10 | RichiH | jethro: ah, you were the faster |
| 17:44.14 | jethro | :) |
| 17:44.20 | streuner | !jethro++ |
| 17:44.22 | EdibleText | whisky tango foxtrox, dpkg? |
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| 17:44.30 | EdibleText | trot even |
| 17:44.43 | RichiH | EdibleText: you told the bot howcome there is a factoid |
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| 17:44.57 | EdibleText | what whas the trigger... 'are' |
| 17:44.57 | RichiH | it learns by dpkg foois bar or foos are bars |
| 17:45.08 | EdibleText | ? |
| 17:45.09 | jethro | EdibleText: <foo> is/are <bar> |
| 17:45.11 | greycat | dpkg, howcome there |
| 17:45.23 | jethro | greycat: I told him to forget it |
| 17:45.23 | greycat | dpkg, listkeys howcome |
| 17:45.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'howcome' by key returned no results. |
| 17:45.25 | greycat | ah. |
| 17:45.33 | greycat | sorry, I missed it |
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| 17:45.36 | streuner | dpkg, listauth EdibleText |
| 17:45.36 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'EdibleText' (5): jumbo frames ;; fo'shizzle ;; pipfs ;; pegasos ;; CMD: dmd (.*?). |
| 17:45.36 | jethro | no problem :) |
| 17:45.57 | EdibleText | !fo'shizzle |
| 17:45.57 | dpkg | fuh rizzle my nizzle |
| 17:46.02 | EdibleText | yo |
| 17:46.13 | greycat | "for real my newbie"?> |
| 17:46.22 | EdibleText | perhaps |
| 17:46.28 | MikeH | anyone here use IMAP for their email find it slow checking for new emails when You've got loads of emails? |
| 17:46.31 | EdibleText | dpkg forget fo'shizzle |
| 17:46.31 | dpkg | EdibleText: i forgot fo'shizzle |
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| 17:46.43 | EdibleText | I must have been cheeky that day |
| 17:46.44 | jethro | MikeH: define slow and loads |
| 17:46.44 | greycat | MikeH: mbox or maildir? |
| 17:46.45 | mrbuckets | !fo'shizzle |
| 17:46.45 | simonrvn | MikeH: yes. no. |
| 17:47.01 | jethro | RichiH: :) |
| 17:47.06 | mrbuckets | weird |
| 17:47.17 | EdibleText | mrbuckets, dpkg done forgot it... |
| 17:47.21 | MikeH | greycat: not sure, using qmail/vpopmail |
| 17:47.25 | mrbuckets | So EdibleText, you can make him say things like that? |
| 17:47.29 | ddddd | is there a place where I can find out, what chipsets cards like asante 695 or machspeed use? |
| 17:47.33 | mrbuckets | EdibleText: so I saw |
| 17:47.47 | EdibleText | mrbuckets, sure I can make dpkg say most anything |
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| 17:47.54 | MikeH | jethro: slow as in 20-30 seconds to check for new emails, loads as in 100-200 emails |
| 17:47.57 | EdibleText | !say anything |
| 17:47.58 | dpkg | anything |
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| 17:48.23 | simonrvn | fuck, takes that long on 1500+ here |
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| 17:48.31 | ddddd | greycat, streuner: davis talked about an DMA issue with 3com cards though. |
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| 17:48.47 | jethro | MikeH: then make sure wether you use mbox or maildir, as greycat suggested |
| 17:48.49 | greycat | ddddd: intel eepro100 is generally considered the best of the 100Mbps cards. |
| 17:48.58 | simonrvn | (mutt header cache + cyrus)++ |
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| 17:49.00 | greycat | MikeH: and which IMAP server? |
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| 17:49.33 | MikeH | greycat: Courier |
| 17:49.34 | mrbuckets | !say I love you, my dear sweet bucketkins |
| 17:49.34 | dpkg | I love you, my dear sweet bucketkins |
| 17:49.46 | mrbuckets | I'm painfully amused by all this |
| 17:49.59 | jethro | mrbuckets: you can /msg the bot as well, and save #debian from the noise |
| 17:50.07 | simonrvn | or #debian-bots |
| 17:50.13 | mrbuckets | jethro: will do, my apologies |
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| 17:51.07 | ddddd | what about vlan capabilities in eepro100 and 3com 905? |
| 17:51.15 | greycat | MikeH: I use qmail + ./Maildir/ + courier-imap (no vpopmail, though) and there are no such problems... |
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| 17:52.15 | MikeH | greycat: its Maildir |
| 17:52.19 | MikeH | hrm |
| 17:52.29 | MikeH | if I moved all my emails to a "archive" folder i created in the Maildir |
| 17:52.31 | MikeH | would that help? |
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| 17:52.57 | simonrvn | something's wrong, it shouldn't be that slow on ~100 emails |
| 17:53.20 | MikeH | simonrvn: I'll mention I'm using outlook |
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| 17:53.25 | MikeH | which could be the main problem |
| 17:53.28 | lasala | if i have an active X session running ... can i send commands over ssh to start programs within the current x session ? |
| 17:53.36 | MikeH | but it did handle it much better with only a few emails |
| 17:53.44 | PeteUK | what wifi progs are available for linux? AP related etc |
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| 17:54.02 | WRivendell | d |
| 17:54.11 | lasala | PeteUK: iwlist iwconfig |
| 17:54.13 | EdibleText | Im considering making multitrack recorder. Anyone recommend the Delta 66 (or Delta 44) for a homebrew recording studio? I know its sortof a poll but I would like some trusted feedback before I drop 177USD on a sound card |
| 17:54.27 | simonrvn | has almost never used OE. used it 2-3 times, got annoyed at it. never used it again |
| 17:54.28 | davis | ddddd: are you still here? |
| 17:54.34 | ddddd | jes |
| 17:54.37 | PeteUK | lasala thanks, i will look |
| 17:54.44 | MikeH | greycat: how do you create a New IMAP folder with courier? |
| 17:54.58 | davis | ddddd: if you have a linux source handy, look at |
| 17:55.00 | FieldySnuts | uh the client does that |
| 17:55.03 | greycat | MikeH: your IMAP client should do that for you. |
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| 17:55.16 | davis | ddddd: /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/3c59x.c |
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| 17:55.21 | asg | simonrvn: we use it at work. I refuse so I have an Exchange contact forward a copy of my mail to my linux box. Now and again, I have to purge my Exchange mailbox (which is painful because it isn't an enterprise level product.) |
| 17:55.32 | FieldySnuts | @fuck exchange |
| 17:55.39 | MikeH | greycat: all i seem to be able to do is query current folders |
| 17:55.40 | MikeH | :/ |
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| 17:55.56 | davis | ddddd: do a search on vortex_rx and then look at the code while (inw(ioaddr + Wn7_MasterStatus) & 0x8000) |
| 17:55.59 | greycat | ah, someone taught ravenbird the expanded fuck command. |
| 17:55.59 | WRivendell | (asg): i got at working on the machine except when i try to run it remotely... the command doesnt go thru.. like echo 'useradd -p password2 testaccount' |at 1:44pm that works but ssh 10.1.1.1.1 echo 'useradd -p password2 testaccount' |at 1:44pm does not...... any idea why? and the two boxes are set to ssh without req'ng passwd authentication |
| 17:55.59 | MikeH | oh ignore me greycat, looking in the wrong bit ;) |
| 17:56.03 | FieldySnuts | look at your imapd's log files, see if there are hints. or maybe it's a lame mua |
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| 17:56.13 | davis | that's what I meant by dma that is really "polled" |
| 17:56.31 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk! |
| 17:56.44 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau! |
| 17:56.46 | ecliptik | I'm using awk to grab 2 colums from a 5 columns, but the output looks squished, is a command that I can pipe into that will insert a tab between the two? |
| 17:57.02 | ecliptik | the command is: mbstatus -b | awk '{print $2,$3}' |
| 17:57.09 | MikeH | greycat: moving them to another folder fixed the problem |
| 17:57.12 | PeteUK | Anyone recommend a wireless nic that works with linux well. I will need an external ant connection, I was thinking maybe a pcmcia card in a pci adapter, i hear good things about the orinoco cards, any one any ideas? |
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| 17:57.19 | MikeH | guess outlook checks all emails to see if theyve been read or something |
| 17:57.33 | lasala | ecliptik: you should be able to do that with awk also |
| 17:57.51 | ecliptik | PeteUK, I found that Netgear has some linux friendly cards, but it depends on the model |
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| 17:58.04 | ecliptik | lasala, I really don't know how to use awk except how to grab colums |
| 17:58.05 | greycat | ecliptik: ... | awk '{print $2 " " $3}' puts a space in. |
| 17:58.06 | davis | ecliptik: can you do print $2\t$3 ? |
| 17:58.15 | ecliptik | awesome, thanks guys |
| 17:58.18 | greycat | davis: printf, but it wants a \n too probably. |
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| 17:58.51 | FieldySnuts | are there wireless network cards that work in linux without having to use binary drivers or upload binary firmware? |
| 17:59.03 | davis | FieldySnuts: aironet |
| 17:59.09 | FieldySnuts | godo |
| 17:59.18 | PeteUK | ecliptik i will check them out |
| 17:59.25 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Plenty of 802.11b ones, not many 802.11g ones. |
| 17:59.35 | FieldySnuts | not that i'd use em (don't trust RF securitywise) |
| 17:59.46 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: IPSec! |
| 17:59.50 | FieldySnuts | just the few times i messed with them invovled uploading binary firmware, which was irritating |
| 17:59.55 | EdibleText | FieldySnuts, faradday cage! |
| 17:59.57 | FieldySnuts | no I don't care what you shove it into. |
| 18:00.09 | ddddd | davis: Ok, there is something about DMA, but I am not a kernel hacker, so I do not really know, what is going on there. |
| 18:00.15 | davis | ecliptik: greycat is right. i'm looking in awk manual now. printf("%d\t%s\n",$5,$9) is an example |
| 18:01.12 | davis | ddddd: well, the key is that in the a function it is doing a loop where it reads a status bit. that is polling. not trying to play smart with you just trying to enlighten you pal. |
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| 18:01.43 | simonrvn | asg: typical of crap like that that purposefully disables simple shit like deleting email from a move operation... |
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| 18:02.36 | davis | ddddd: the bottom line is that buy yourself a eepro card using Intel's eval price and be happy. |
| 18:02.41 | ddddd | davis: i appreciate that! |
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| 18:02.54 | davis | ddddd: 8-) |
| 18:02.55 | dfzi | mtnman, whether i use exim, courier, postfix or another mta i still need fetchmail/sendmail? |
| 18:03.15 | ecliptik | davis, thanks, now if only my company used a sane username scheme so I could alphabitize them easier, haha |
| 18:03.58 | davis | ecliptik: heha |
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| 18:04.15 | ddddd | davis: another question I have: What about VLAN capabilities in Linux. I read that intel pro/100 m desktop adapter supports 802.1Q VLANs. But does Linux? |
| 18:04.17 | PerfDave | IPSec over wifi should be fine, except that Windows' IPSec implementation is fucking atrocious :/ |
| 18:04.51 | ddddd | and where is that eval price thing on intel.com you are talking about? |
| 18:05.19 | davis | ddddd: i dont know about the VLAN bit, but I imagine so. try google. |
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| 18:06.04 | asg | ddddd: try lartc.org (it should cover that) |
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| 18:06.13 | davis | ddddd: about the discount link i'm looking for that url now. |
| 18:06.24 | BACbKA | Have I forgotten smth basic about the modutils? I have put a file /etc/modutils/ov511 that says: 1) below ov511 ovcamchip 2) options ov511 led=2 lightfreq=50 . I then ran update-modules and ensured it made it to the modules.conf. Yet, when I modprobe ov511, it doesn't pull in ovcamchip, nor does it see the options. If I manually pass the options to modprobe, they're seen. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:07.20 | dfzi | can i install with apt-get so that it installs also every package that apt does suggest/recommend/depend |
| 18:07.37 | tabris|away | apt-get always pulls in deps |
| 18:07.47 | tabris|away | suggestions/recommendations... well, you should only install those if you think you need them |
| 18:07.51 | greycat | BACbKA: just put "ovcamchip" and "ov511 led=2 lightfreq=50" in /etc/modules and be done with it. |
| 18:08.00 | dfzi | ye, that i already knew :> |
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| 18:08.33 | dfzi | tabris|away, btw. whether if i decided to use exim, courier, postfix or any other mta... i still need fetchmail/sendmail? |
| 18:08.35 | kingsley_ | Why would "ps aux" not report a "dovecot" daemon after installing dovecot-pop3, editing its configuration file to use the pop3 protocol and restarting it with "/etc/init.d/dovecot restart"? |
| 18:08.45 | BACbKA | greycat: I thought about it, but it's a camera that is not always plugged in, so I would prefer to have it properly hotplugged. Thanks for the workaround suggestion anyway. |
| 18:08.53 | tabris|away | dfzi: fetchmail is not a MTA. nor is it related to sendmail. |
| 18:08.55 | asg | kingsley_: is it running via inetd? |
| 18:09.00 | tabris|away | dfzi: fetchmail is an MDA. |
| 18:09.03 | FieldySnuts | kingsley_: maybe it's not running. netstat -anp | grep :110 |
| 18:09.06 | BACbKA | greycat: also, I am annoyed with the fact that I don't understand smth very basic with the system |
| 18:09.09 | simonrvn | dfzi: an mta is effectively sendmail. in debian the mtas make a /usr/lib/sendmail symlink |
| 18:09.15 | FieldySnuts | apt: start an mta war |
| 18:09.16 | apt | qmail owns |
| 18:09.31 | simonrvn | and an /usr/sbin one too |
| 18:10.05 | greycat | ancient unix is so funny. system programs in /etc and /usr/lib. |
| 18:10.35 | kingsley_ | asg: It seems to me that no, its not running via inetd. I use xinetd. |
| 18:10.38 | tabris|away | /usr/sbin/sendmail is an interface to the MTA. sendmail itself is the traditional implementation of SMTP. meanwhile, exim and postfix are replacements for sendmail. |
| 18:10.47 | tabris|away | all have the /usr/sbin/sendmail interface. |
| 18:11.00 | kingsley_ | FieldySnuts: "netstat -anp | grep :110" found nothing. |
| 18:11.08 | asg | kingsley_: is it running via xinetd then? |
| 18:11.11 | IDC | night all |
| 18:11.11 | FieldySnuts | kingsley_: well if it's running through inetd... i dunno. |
| 18:11.12 | FieldySnuts | or that |
| 18:11.17 | simonrvn | or stuff like /usr/local/etc /usr/local/libexec, .... |
| 18:11.21 | ircdevil | is 4000 px =~ 18 cm ? |
| 18:11.30 | FieldySnuts | depends on your monitor |
| 18:11.34 | ballessay | lol |
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| 18:11.54 | spiral | hi |
| 18:12.04 | tarzeau | if i have postgresql-dev and some.c that uses it, what do i want to -l(ink) ? |
| 18:12.17 | dfzi | tabris|away, MDA stands for? and did i got this right. i need exim + fetchmail? (exim = sendmail?) |
| 18:12.42 | tabris|away | Mail Delivery Agent. |
| 18:12.42 | simonrvn | -lpostgresql or -lpgsql or -lpq (can't remember which now) |
| 18:12.59 | tabris|away | dfzi: exim is a replacement for sendmail. it is not equal to sendmail. |
| 18:13.04 | sussudio_ | !mdma |
| 18:13.04 | dpkg | from memory, mdma is 3,4 methylendioxymethamphetamine, very cool |
| 18:13.14 | tabris|away | dfzi: and do you really need fetchmail? what do you use for your MUA? |
| 18:13.15 | tarzeau | simonrvn: tried 'em all without success |
| 18:13.16 | kingsley_ | asg: It's not configured into xinetd either. Do you happen to know if dovecot-pop3 needs to be entered into xinetd's configuration file before it'll run, even with " /etc/init.d/dovecot restart"? |
| 18:13.16 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 18:13.16 | dpkg | it has been said that mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 18:13.20 | simonrvn | "very cool"? |
| 18:13.31 | dfzi | tabris|away, yeah. equation-mark was a bit harsh, i should've written equivalent :i |
| 18:13.34 | asg | kingsley_: no, check /var/log/mail* and see if some error is provided. |
| 18:13.58 | dfzi | greycat, i've read that :/ |
| 18:14.05 | asg | kingsley_: if there is a /var/log/dovecot/*, read that too |
| 18:14.05 | dfzi | tabris|away, it was thinkin about mutt |
| 18:14.09 | greycat | dfzi: I didn't put MDA in it? |
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| 18:14.33 | kingsley_ | asg: No file /var/log/mail*... |
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| 18:14.59 | dfzi | greycat, it wasn't in the definitions list :/ |
| 18:15.08 | kingsley_ | asg: Nor is there a file named /var/log/dove*. |
| 18:15.09 | asg | kingsley_: the '*' is a glob, and should expand to /var/log/mail.info, /var/log/mail.err, etc. |
| 18:15.20 | davis | ddddd: sorry but I can't find it. |
| 18:15.20 | dfzi | greycat, although it seems that it can be found later on the manual. |
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| 18:15.30 | davis | ddddd: however I bought 3 of them a while back. |
| 18:15.48 | davis | ddddd: i found it via either slickdeals.net or techbargains.com. |
| 18:16.07 | davis | ddddd: unfortunately, i can not remember which or the url. |
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| 18:16.27 | greycat | dfzi: I've added it to the top now. |
| 18:16.31 | jc-denton | hi all |
| 18:16.36 | stew | kingsley_: read /usr/share/doc/dovecot-pop3d |
| 18:16.39 | spiral | hello, a friend of mine recently installed firefox, and debconf asked him if he wanted kde, gnome or other integration... and he chose kde... and I really like this integration... How can I reconfigure my updated firefox which didn't ask me for this ? |
| 18:16.50 | kingsley_ | asg: Yes, I agree with your description of globbing, but, those files don't exist on my box, possibly because I use exim3. |
| 18:16.50 | jc-denton | can i configure cron so that it does not send the output (of cmds that it executes) via mail, but write them to a log? |
| 18:17.03 | jc-denton | cmd >> /var/log/cron is not an option |
| 18:17.08 | BACbKA | greycat: ouch! modutils being obsoleted as per /usr/share/doc/modutils/README.Debian.gz ??? |
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| 18:17.44 | asg | kingsley_: maybe, they are just often convenient locations for imap/pop servers to log to. |
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| 18:17.54 | tabris|away | BACbKA: uhhhh. kae. shouldn't hurt too badly. that's jut the old version. the new version is 2.6 and 2.4 capable. |
| 18:18.05 | kingsley_ | stew: Yes, I have read /usr/share/doc/dovecot-pop3d/README.Debian and done what it said to do. |
| 18:18.06 | greycat | BACbKA: well, they also said devfs was the Way Of The Future. |
| 18:18.14 | greycat | BACbKA: and now devfs is deprecated. |
| 18:18.14 | simonrvn | or udev... |
| 18:18.26 | BACbKA | greycat: :-) |
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| 18:18.46 | asg | greycat: they also keep saying BSD is dead |
| 18:18.48 | tabris|away | udev vs devfs == debacle. I actually cannot run udev b/c Mandrake fux0red it up. |
| 18:18.58 | BACbKA | so, is modules.conf now just quietly ignored on 2.6?! |
| 18:18.58 | chealer | spiral: are you sure it wasn't thunderbird that did that? |
| 18:19.06 | greycat | tabris|away: I can't run udev because I'm not stupid enough. |
| 18:19.22 | greycat | they can have my fully populated /dev when they pull it out of my cold dead fingers. |
| 18:19.33 | FieldySnuts | greycat: haha nice |
| 18:19.47 | simonrvn | luckily it doesn't wipe it, but mount a tmpfs over it |
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| 18:19.57 | streuner | only trouble with udev... |
| 18:20.06 | greycat | well, should have said "pry" for full NRA-nut-ness. |
| 18:20.10 | mrbuckets | greycat: dpkg has a lot to say about you |
| 18:20.22 | greycat | mrbuckets: some of it may even be true. |
| 18:20.33 | asg | mrbuckets: that's because we love him, want to water him, and write factoids about him. |
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| 18:22.08 | FarrisG | I have a farm of about 17 compute servers, all debian. I'd like to setup some kind of central monitoring page on a webserver that will show current and past stats, like uptime, load average for 5, 10, 15 minutes (and days, weeks, etc). Preferably something with a history, mysql backend, etc. Any ideas? |
| 18:22.28 | BACbKA | AAAARGH! I have just straced modprobe!! it never even opens modules.conf any more!!! yuck!!!! |
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| 18:22.35 | asg | FarrisG: nagios + munin (or cacti if you can stand the cryptic seteup) |
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| 18:22.38 | BACbKA | OK, this makes some sense now |
| 18:22.39 | greycat | BACbKA: 2.6.x kernel? |
| 18:22.49 | asg | s/seteup/setup/ |
| 18:22.49 | BACbKA | greycat: yes, yes, I figured it already now myself |
| 18:22.53 | greycat | BACbKA: *nod* |
| 18:23.06 | jorgp | what country is www.linux.net.mk |
| 18:23.12 | greycat | linux2.6 is not even the same operating system as linux. just pretend you don't know ANYTHING. expect to be surprised. |
| 18:23.14 | simonrvn | !mk |
| 18:23.14 | dpkg | mk is, like, Macedonia |
| 18:23.14 | BACbKA | greycat: the screwy thing is that the above/below is no longer in the new syntax :-( |
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| 18:23.29 | davis | !il |
| 18:23.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, il is Israel, the home of (among others) Zap-W, shimon|sevenseventy and hackeron, all notable fucktards. |
| 18:23.37 | mrbuckets | FarrisG: have you looked into Nagios? |
| 18:23.57 | asg | S|N>K |
| 18:24.01 | davis | cool. no more googling "country codes and .xx" anymore. |
| 18:24.13 | mrbuckets | !cn |
| 18:24.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, cn is China |
| 18:24.24 | Rawplayer | !nl |
| 18:24.24 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
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| 18:24.35 | greycat | msg the bot, please. |
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| 18:25.02 | asg | davix, mrbuckets, Rawplayer: apt-get install dict ; dict .xx |
| 18:25.10 | FieldySnuts | haha the il one was funny |
| 18:25.10 | kenboo | since when debian testing supports python2.4? |
| 18:25.24 | mrbuckets | asg: I'm done, I promise. and I have dict installed : P |
| 18:25.34 | streuner | !factinfo il |
| 18:25.34 | dpkg | il -- created by hoxu <hoxu@dsl-jklgw3i1c.dial.inet.fi> at Fri Apr 11 14:41:42 2003 (768 days); it has been requested 18 times, last by davis, 2m 4s ago. |
| 18:25.43 | greycat | BACbKA: so far, no.... |
| 18:25.47 | asg | BACbKA: you're not on the list yet |
| 18:25.48 | sussudio_ | BACbKA: too late. |
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| 18:25.58 | FieldySnuts | sussudio_: heh |
| 18:26.03 | kingsley_ | asg & stew: I was just tried starting /usr/sbin/dovecot at root's command line and it worked. I see in /usr/share/doc/dovecot-pop3d/changelog.Debian.gz that a recent version "*sigh* another init script fix. Hopefully we now fully deal with dovecot being run from inetd.". |
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| 18:26.15 | greycat | !zap-w |
| 18:26.15 | dpkg | well, zap-w is the official #debian moron |
| 18:26.50 | kingsley_ | asg & stew: Running it at root's command line reports: "Warning: Corrected permissions for login directory /var/run/dovecot/login". |
| 18:26.51 | streuner | !factinfo zap-w |
| 18:26.52 | dpkg | zap-w -- created by Thunder- <thunder@D-128-208-41-133.dhcp.washington.edu> at Sun Mar 12 21:38:41 2000 (1892 days); it has been requested 33 times, last by greycat, 36s ago; it has been locked by is. |
| 18:27.05 | FieldySnuts | holy hell is that old |
| 18:27.07 | greycat | wow, past millennium! |
| 18:27.32 | greycat | streuner: but have you seen fire, and have you seen rain? |
| 18:27.33 | kingsley_ | asg & stew: Perhaps it's time for a bug report. |
| 18:28.08 | streuner | greycat: iam beginning to wonder how lonag zap-w is in #debian ... |
| 18:28.18 | streuner | s/lonag/long/ |
| 18:28.18 | greycat | streuner: clearly over 5 years. |
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| 18:28.37 | greycat | streuner: the amazing thing is *he hasn't changed*. |
| 18:28.46 | streuner | hehe |
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| 18:28.54 | drcode | hi all |
| 18:28.57 | streuner | yeah, still asking newbie-questions :-) |
| 18:29.04 | zinx | greycat: he used to be a regular in #lwz - he hasn't changed since then, even |
| 18:29.25 | zinx | greycat: i think that was 7 years ago |
| 18:29.32 | greycat | zinx: he's in #bash occasionally, but not very often. hackeron is more commonly seen there. |
| 18:29.49 | drcode | any one mybe have an idea how I can convert pdf into rtf format, I have exam software that run under wine , it can read rtf format any idea? |
| 18:29.49 | streuner | hackeron hanging in #gentoo around |
| 18:29.54 | jcohen | do i need fam, exim4 or mon on startup? |
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| 18:31.25 | greycat | jcohen: how would we know what you need? |
| 18:32.06 | streuner | drcode: on a wild guess try openoffice, it can handle pdf and serveral other formats... |
| 18:32.39 | Tallia1 | hi guys, could you tell me the name of a automounter for usb keys.. i've tried ivman but i have problems in compiling... |
| 18:32.42 | Tallia1 | tnx andrea |
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| 18:32.53 | jcohen | greycat, i'm trying to cut down on the unnecessary services i have running and i can't find a man page for fam |
| 18:33.07 | greycat | !pal gnome |
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| 18:33.35 | Tallia1 | ehi? qualcuno mi aiuta!? |
| 18:33.54 | ricky_clarkson | no es correcto canal por espanol aqui! |
| 18:34.06 | jcohen | Tallia1, there's an automounter for usb keys in debian? |
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| 18:34.32 | Tallia1 | i don't know, i've compiled one.. |
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| 18:34.39 | Tallia1 | ivman |
| 18:34.45 | Tallia1 | check the sourceforge page |
| 18:34.46 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I think that was not spanish. |
| 18:34.55 | PeteUK | anyone used a buffalo wifi nics with linux? |
| 18:34.55 | EdibleText | italian |
| 18:35.03 | Tallia1 | it's italian.......... :) |
| 18:35.07 | haganaa | !ops [G][N][A][A] HELIX MADE US DO THIS, STOP HARRASSING US ON IRC.GNAA.US #GNAA || ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU!! HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ [G][N][A][A] |
| 18:35.07 | haganaa | ~OPS [G][N][A][A] HELIX MADE US DO THIS, STOP HARRASSING US ON IRC.GNAA.US #GNAA || ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU!! HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ [G][N][A][A] |
| 18:35.09 | apt | haganaa: what are you talking about? |
| 18:35.09 | haganaa | @OPS [G][N][A][A] HELIX MADE US DO THIS, STOP HARRASSING US ON IRC.GNAA.US #GNAA || ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU!! HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ [G][N][A][A] |
| 18:35.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [G][N][A][A] HELIX MADE US DO THIS, STOP HARRASSING US ON IRC.GNAA.US #GNAA || ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU!! HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ [G][N][A][A] |
| 18:35.10 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: [G][N][A][A] HELIX MADE US DO THIS, STOP HARRASSING US ON IRC.GNAA.US #GNAA || ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU!! HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ [G][N][A][A] |
| 18:35.10 | *** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 18:35.10 | haganaa | @OPS [G][N][A][A] HELIX MADE US DO THIS, STOP HARRASSING US ON IRC.GNAA.US #GNAA || ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU!! HTTP://WWW.GNAA.US/ [G][N][A][A] |
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| 18:35.38 | simonrvn | idiot... |
| 18:35.41 | LoRez | klined |
| 18:35.41 | Tallia1 | yep |
| 18:35.43 | Tallia1 | so..... |
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| 18:35.51 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 18:35.52 | streuner | hm |
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| 18:36.02 | giupy | anyone that use Sis Si7012 sound card ? |
| 18:36.06 | EdibleText | i think that is one of their initiation rites |
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| 18:36.16 | FieldySnuts | "harrassing" on irc... get a life |
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| 18:36.30 | Ronin | EdibleText: being a dumb ass is an initiation rite? |
| 18:37.12 | EdibleText | Ronin, most initiation rites require one to be a dumbass |
| 18:37.26 | EdibleText | but this is pure speculation |
| 18:37.30 | streuner | I don't know how he manage that, but sometimes he use an indian ISP and now chinese |
| 18:37.55 | streuner | or those GNAA's are around the world |
| 18:38.02 | sloopy | streuner: one big phone bill... |
| 18:38.13 | EdibleText | sloopy, for someone... |
| 18:38.14 | LoRez | I'd suggest not mentioning the acronym in here in the future :) |
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| 18:38.38 | streuner | LoRez: its already mentioned... |
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| 18:38.40 | FieldySnuts | hell it used to get you banned automatically |
| 18:38.54 | sloopy | EdibleText: i dont have a phone so i am not worried :') |
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| 18:39.01 | LoRez | and it may yet get you automatically klined :) |
| 18:39.12 | FieldySnuts | ouch. i thought they only goofed with #debian ? |
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| 18:39.39 | streuner | LoRez: you don't want to tell us, that mentioned a certain word would cause klined? |
| 18:39.43 | LoRez | spam is still spam |
| 18:39.50 | FieldySnuts | true |
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| 18:40.02 | asg | the sacred words the Knights of Freenode cannot hear |
| 18:40.04 | FieldySnuts | they are special though.. special as in riding a short yellow bus |
| 18:40.08 | FieldySnuts | asg: HAHA |
| 18:41.05 | cpjvelde | i downloaded kernel 2.6 but i need a bit of help what to put on and off....cause standard is not working |
| 18:41.07 | davis | riding a short yellow school bus. that's funny. |
| 18:41.19 | cpjvelde | i get VFS can't open root at block blabla |
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| 18:41.35 | streuner | LoRez: that's nonsense, because you can define it in other words - the meaning is the same... |
| 18:42.08 | LoRez | streuner: it's not nonsense if it's a regex made to nuke spammers |
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| 18:42.49 | drcode | thnx st |
| 18:42.50 | P0wer1 | Any1 here ever set-up multiple WAN connections for load balancing or know of a software solution that can? |
| 18:42.58 | nunez | Do I have to contact my ISP so I can have my dns as my website address? |
| 18:43.05 | PerfDave | P0wer1: /msg dpkg lartc |
| 18:43.16 | PerfDave | nunez: Your DNS, or your RDNS? |
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| 18:43.27 | PerfDave | nunez: If you want www.yourdomain.com to point to your ISP-assigned IP, that's easy. |
| 18:43.34 | streuner | LoRez: bronco |
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| 18:43.37 | oigres | Is there a way to convert RealMedia (rm) audio files to ogg, mp3, mp2 or wav ? |
| 18:43.43 | nunez | PerfDave, naw, so I can go onto irc etc.. with my domain |
| 18:43.47 | P0wer1 | PerfDave, are they the experts when it comes to bandwidth aggregation? |
| 18:43.57 | LoRez | streuner: I'm actually more of a Cowboys fan myself, thanks |
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| 18:44.13 | PerfDave | nunez: That's reverse DNS, and you need to talk to the assigner of your netblock about it. |
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| 18:44.17 | PerfDave | oigres: sox? |
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| 18:44.40 | greycat | PerfDave: sox decodes .rm? news to me. |
| 18:44.47 | greycat | I'd try mplayer first. |
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| 18:44.55 | PerfDave | greycat: I thought it could handle anything you had the codecs for. |
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| 18:45.04 | streuner | LoRez: bronco is a creation by myself to say "alright, the situation is pretty clear now" |
| 18:45.09 | PerfDave | P0wer1: lartc is the Linux Advanced Routing and Traffic Control HOWTO, it should contain the information you want. Suck it and see. |
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| 18:45.39 | LoRez | streuner: so you use a word likely to muddy up the situation with others? interesting. |
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| 18:45.54 | masoft | I'm installing NVidia driver, It says need libc ! how can I install it ? |
| 18:45.54 | oigres | PerfDave: sox can't cope with realmedia audiofiles apparently |
| 18:46.07 | PerfDave | oigres: Oh well. |
| 18:46.16 | PerfDave | masoft: How are you installing the nvidia driver? |
| 18:46.24 | streuner | LoRez: iam not a native speaker in english, "bronco" is as i said my own creation |
| 18:46.31 | WRivendell | how come sometimes when i install sarge i prompts me for what kernel version i want to install.. other times it jsut goes ahead and installs 2.4 without asking at all? |
| 18:46.40 | masoft | PerfDave, sh NVidia,,,,,.run |
| 18:46.45 | PerfDave | masoft: Bad move! |
| 18:46.49 | PerfDave | masoft: /msg dpkg nvidia installer |
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| 18:47.07 | greycat | PerfDave: in other words, "the wrong way". |
| 18:47.08 | Tallia1 | hey guys......... i need a hand......... i need a usb automounter |
| 18:47.10 | greycat | which we already knew. |
| 18:47.19 | Tallia1 | someone of you knows one .......!? |
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| 18:47.25 | Tallia1 | automounter for usb drives |
| 18:47.31 | asg | Tallia1: autofs |
| 18:47.42 | Tallia1 | others?! |
| 18:47.49 | PerfDave | Tallia1: look on http://www.debian-administration.org/ for recent instructions on how to automagically and consistently mount USB drives |
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| 18:48.10 | WRivendell | (Tallia1): apt-get install windowsXP |
| 18:48.10 | pzn | Hi! in Debian I'm using X 4.3.0 (sarge). is there any way to list all video drivers available in the X version that I have installed? |
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| 18:48.19 | asg | Tallia1: http://www.greenfly.org/tips/autofs.html |
| 18:48.44 | BACbKA | Tallia1: you might want to try supermount, too --- I'm unexperienced in doing this, debian way or otherwise |
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| 18:49.06 | asg | Tallia1: and you probably want to use lynx to view that page since it is horrible. |
| 18:49.10 | Tallia1 | WRivendell: yes....... i've just delete windows.. and some user friendly ..... |
| 18:49.47 | chealer | !drxx pzn |
| 18:49.48 | dpkg | pzn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 18:50.06 | ballessay | Tallial: userfriendly? |
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| 18:51.13 | EdibleText | dpkg user friendly |
| 18:51.13 | dpkg | user friendly is, like, a comic strip (http://www.userfriendly.org/) or a euphamism meaning that any inbred ozark yokel could use the thing in question, or available in Cartoon format. Illiad is releasing them in Flash (GPL player now available!) http://www.userfriendly.org/animation |
| 18:53.23 | jablko | anyone suggest what's wrong - |
| 18:53.23 | jablko | fis:~# modprobe mol |
| 18:53.23 | jablko | FATAL: Module mol not found. |
| 18:53.24 | jablko | - but - |
| 18:53.24 | jablko | fis:~# ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/mol.ko |
| 18:53.24 | jablko | /lib/modules/2.6.12-rc4-mm2-fis-200505170/misc/mol.ko |
| 18:53.35 | asg | jablko: depmod -a |
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| 18:55.00 | oigres | PerfDave: guau, mplayer can do it with: mplayer -ao pcm -vo null -vc dummy file.rm .... Thanks anyway! |
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| 18:56.23 | destr0__ | I'm tring to re-install net-tools and getting this error: unable to make backup link of `./sbin/ifconfig' before installing new version: Operation not permitted |
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| 18:57.02 | streuner | destr0__: sid? |
| 18:57.04 | greycat | destr0__: read-only file system? |
| 18:57.22 | exerd | destr0__, you should check the permissions |
| 18:57.23 | greycat | that's a very odd message to get. maybe corrupt root file system? |
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| 18:58.15 | stew | extended attrs? |
| 18:58.19 | destr0__ | perms of file are 755 root owned, I'll check the directory it's in |
| 18:58.36 | j_k | jablko: it didn't find module mol ? |
| 18:58.36 | j_k | jablko: look in /lib/modules/`uname -r` to see what modules are available |
| 18:58.36 | stew | destr0__: what does lsattr say? |
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| 19:00.25 | cpjvelde | should i have an initrd.img as well for my newly built kernel? |
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| 19:00.32 | destr0__ | stew: ---i---------- ./ifconfig |
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| 19:01.00 | j_k | cpjvelde: you mean home-compiled ? If you have compiled the drivers for your root filesystem in, you don't need to. |
| 19:01.01 | grendal_prime | hello |
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| 19:01.49 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 19:01.58 | grendal_prime | i installed irc_speek |
| 19:02.08 | grendal_prime | pretty cool |
| 19:02.18 | cpjvelde | j_k, i downloaded a new kernel and compiled it into a debian pkg and installed it...but i noticed in the grub file...that my standard kernel has a initrd and the new one doesnt |
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| 19:03.29 | stew | destr0__: i don't know what the i attr is but mine doesn't have that |
| 19:03.38 | greycat | "i" is immutable. |
| 19:03.41 | j_k | cpjvelde: well, you still have your old kernel don't you? Try to boot the new one and you'll see if it works. |
| 19:03.42 | stew | there you go |
| 19:04.05 | greycat | and that quite neatly explains the Operation not permitted. |
| 19:04.09 | cpjvelde | i get a kernel panic with a message about VFS: unable to mount root blabla something like that |
| 19:04.20 | cpjvelde | but it could also be because i misconfigured the new kernel |
| 19:04.23 | greycat | cpjvelde: /msg dpkg debian kernel image |
| 19:04.36 | destr0__ | stew: when I try to delete the file it says it's write protected (I'm root at the time) even though it's owned by me |
| 19:04.50 | si|vercat | how do I reconfigure a package again? |
| 19:04.51 | WRivendell | how do you do that dictionary thing again? |
| 19:04.52 | destr0__ | anyone know how to ditch that i attribtue so I can overwrite this file? |
| 19:04.59 | stew | destr0__: chattr -i /sbin/ifconfig iirc |
| 19:05.03 | stew | destr0__: man chattr |
| 19:05.11 | j_k | cpjvelde: well, it's your choice at configuration time wether or not the kernel will use an initrd. |
| 19:05.14 | stew | destr0__: i've seen rootkits do that to try to be more tenacious |
| 19:05.41 | si|vercat | !xfree86 |
| 19:05.41 | dpkg | hmm... xfree86 is proof that world has gone mad, or a free open-source implementation of X11. http://www.xfree86.org/ or ask me about "install xf4" or "x.org", or something that moves so slowly, it doesn't feel like it's moved in years |
| 19:05.56 | j_k | cpjvelde: if you compiled the drivers for you root filesystem in, you don't need an initrd. You do if you compiled them as modules. |
| 19:06.42 | masoft | how can I install all necessary development tools ? |
| 19:06.48 | chealer | si|vercat: dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 19:06.56 | chealer | masoft: build-essential? |
| 19:06.58 | si|vercat | chealer: thanks |
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| 19:07.24 | masoft | chealer, does it contain libraries, too ? |
| 19:07.36 | destr0__ | stew: do you have any attributes listed for /bin/netstat? |
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| 19:07.53 | chealer | masoft: build-essential is general-purpose |
| 19:08.24 | chealer | masoft: by development tools, you mean packages to compile or something else? |
| 19:08.51 | j_k | cpjvelde: if you choose the latter option, be sure to compile initrd support in, and use make-kpkg's --initrd option. |
| 19:09.11 | masoft | chealer, thx, build-essential was thing I wanted ;) |
| 19:09.11 | stew | destr0__: i have no attrs on anything in /sbin /bin /usr/sbin /usr/bin |
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| 19:10.03 | jablko | asg: sweet! depmod -a worked - but shouldn't /ete/init.d/module-init-tools've taken care of that? |
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| 19:11.22 | cpjvelde | j_k ok, im rebooting to test |
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| 19:12.48 | jason__ | can someone help me prune my services. nmap shows a bunch of ports open that i didn't have in mdk and i don't think i need |
| 19:13.51 | j_k | jason__: first rule: only keep the packages you need installed. |
| 19:13.52 | bucky | !annoy me |
| 19:13.57 | Eclipser | I assume k3b can burn an audio cd out of mp3s? |
| 19:14.02 | stew | jason__: editor /etc/inetd.conf ; will likely take care of most of them |
| 19:14.32 | lgd_ | hi all |
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| 19:14.57 | j_k | jason__: and netstat -l will be faster if you just want to know what ports are listened on (ie, not the result of firewalling rules.) |
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| 19:15.11 | stew | jason__: then /etc/init.d/inetd restart or kill -1 the inetd process |
| 19:15.55 | creature | Right, how do I get Apache on Sarge to interpret my PHP pages instead of showing me the source? |
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| 19:16.04 | greycat | j_k: add a -n to that. |
| 19:16.10 | FieldySnuts | load the module in the config. |
| 19:16.48 | jason__ | i have ircd running but apt-get remove ircd says it's not installed |
| 19:16.54 | j_k | greycat: a matter of taste (and DNS speed..) |
| 19:17.00 | FarrisG | This is likely a dumb question, but are there any open-source alternatives to load sharing tools like LSF? |
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| 19:17.26 | FieldySnuts | !irritate bucky |
| 19:17.27 | dpkg | bucky: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh quake3 kthx |
| 19:17.37 | bucky | tnx |
| 19:18.15 | creature | FieldySnuts - got it, thanks. |
| 19:18.21 | bucky | FieldySnuts, are you in the uk ? |
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| 19:20.41 | cbr | with what do i see my RAM timings etc under linux? |
| 19:21.16 | LordFrith | A very good stopwatch. |
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| 19:24.20 | ricky_clarkson | I'm writing something similar to ethereal, but not real. etherimaginary or something. How would you represent an ARP packet in a readable way? |
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| 19:25.10 | ricky_clarkson | [ARP] 146.87.1.1 (MAC address 40) wants the MAC address of 146.87.1.2? |
| 19:25.21 | Asacarny | i'm going to be setting up a new amd64 server and i'd like to use software raid. what is the (most) painless way to go about setting up software raid and installing debian onto it? |
| 19:25.39 | WhiteRabbit | lvm mybe |
| 19:25.50 | Asacarny | ah whiterabbit. you're everywhere. |
| 19:26.08 | ricky_clarkson | [ARP] 146.87.1.2 tells 146.87.1.1 (MAC address 40) that it has the MAC address 60. |
| 19:26.12 | ricky_clarkson | Does that look reasonable? |
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| 19:26.27 | greycat | Asacarny: nah, you're just following the WhiteRabbit |
| 19:26.33 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
| 19:26.33 | Asacarny | heh. |
| 19:27.00 | Asacarny | i mean i converted a gentoo system from non-RAID to software RAID by hand. it's not THAT hard, but it is still a bitch. |
| 19:27.01 | ricky_clarkson | WhiteRabbit: nudge nudge - /me checks his pocketwatch and hops along |
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| 19:27.48 | j_k | Asacarny: if you're going to install sarge, d-i can setup the md stuff. |
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| 19:28.23 | phillipsjk | bad grammer alert |
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| 19:28.50 | Asacarny | j_k: oh really? |
| 19:28.54 | WhiteRabbit | ricky_clarkson, O ya http://www.innersanity.com/whiterabbit.gif |
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| 19:29.20 | j_k | Asacarny: yes, both software raid and lvm are supported by the installer. |
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| 19:29.48 | Asacarny | j_k: that's great. sarge = current testing? and this will work for amd64 as well i assume |
| 19:29.49 | destr0__ | bah, I re-insalled procps because chkrootkit was saying that 5 processes were hidden from ps, but it's still showing that 5 processes are hidden from ps |
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| 19:30.46 | npx | phillipsjk, maybe it has something to do with IRQ sharing on the serial ports, or UART settings or something? |
| 19:30.57 | npx | maybe <something> basically. |
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| 19:31.45 | pipegeek | So, I'm having difficulty with the java plugin in firefox. I can only load one applet in a given firefox session. That is, if I load java applet, browse to another page, then load another java applet, FF crashes. I've tried this with ff from both sarge and sid (1.0.3 and 1.0.4) and with JRE 1.5.0 update1 and update 3. No dice. No luck googling either. Am I one-of-a-kind? |
| 19:32.01 | pipegeek | running mixed sarge/sid |
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| 19:32.13 | j_k | Asacarny: sarge = current testing. There's a port for amd64, although it's not yet distributed on debian's main servers. |
| 19:32.14 | phillipsjk | npx: more likely has to do with playing with the signals on the various wires. |
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| 19:33.16 | Scarylion | Microwave rice is the shiznat |
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| 19:33.36 | pipegeek | killling firefox-bin subsequently creates a run-away java_vm process that eats up the entire CPU |
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| 19:33.47 | j_k | Asacarny: and if you use an LVM device over softraid for root, you could get a bad initrd (specify the root filesystem in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf) |
| 19:34.13 | phillipsjk | "recomended practice" seem to be try Serial Mice in MS mode first. |
| 19:34.45 | destr0__ | anyone know what package readdir is in? |
| 19:34.56 | dos000 | is there an /etc/init.d/<chrootd> script to start chrooted env out there ? i have multiple chroot env and would like to start them as the machine boots |
| 19:35.22 | greycat | destr0__: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:35.28 | cpjvelde | is there no qt3 debian package? |
| 19:35.46 | Asacarny | wait... i won't be using LVM, i'm just going to have a root partition and a swap partition on each drive... should there be any problem with having my root partition a raid-1? |
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| 19:36.08 | cpjvelde | apt-get install qt |
| 19:36.13 | moonunit | dos000, dchroot? |
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| 19:36.19 | cpjvelde | didnt find any |
| 19:36.35 | harleyg | oN is a lame spammer plz kick him |
| 19:36.35 | chealer | !tell cpjvelde about info libqt3c102-mt |
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| 19:36.57 | chealer | !info libqt3c102-mt |
| 19:36.58 | mufa | hi, I have a problem with cfengine. I want to check if there are more then 100 httpd running on a machine and if so to restart it and mail me about that. Everything works fine, but I receive mail even if there are less then 100. I was trying inform=false or off, but without any success. |
| 19:36.59 | yahalom | if i install debian on an AMD XP 2000+ 512 RAM and then move the hard disk to a celeron 500 MHZ 65 RAM will it work, or will i have issues? |
| 19:37.01 | dpkg | libqt3c102-mt: (Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), Version 3), section libs, is optional. Version: 3:3.3.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 2973 kB, Installed size: 7428 kB |
| 19:37.12 | cpjvelde | ow ok |
| 19:37.15 | cpjvelde | thanks chealer |
| 19:37.19 | mufa | yahalom: be sure to have a proper kernel |
| 19:37.38 | yahalom | mufa: meaning? i might get kernel issues? |
| 19:37.53 | yahalom | mufa: ah ok. u mean kernel-386? |
| 19:37.59 | mufa | yahalom: exactly |
| 19:38.02 | dfzi | hmm, i cannot modprobe ip_tables although i compiled my kernel with iptables as a module, how come? |
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| 19:38.31 | yahalom | mufa: well i use on my amd kernel-k7 but i left it at kernel-386 for the other system, so that should work? |
| 19:38.43 | yahalom | mufa: what about my swap being 800mb? |
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| 19:38.54 | M0ffe | I made some udev rules in /etc/udev/local.rules and symlinked to /etc/udev/rules.d/local.rules. These are completely ignored - if I put exactly the same rules in /etc/udev/permissions.rules everything works. Why? (sid) |
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| 19:39.06 | mufa | swap its ok |
| 19:39.17 | yahalom | mufa: so just the kernel? |
| 19:39.21 | mufa | yes |
| 19:39.24 | mufa | just the kernel |
| 19:39.24 | yahalom | mufa: what about xfree? |
| 19:39.26 | M0ffe | No error messages in daemon.log btw. |
| 19:39.33 | yahalom | mufa: ok i get it. thanx man :) |
| 19:39.39 | mufa | xfree its wonderfull. Slow, but wonderfull |
| 19:39.53 | phillipsjk | yahalom drivers for video and other things may be different |
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| 19:40.25 | yahalom | phillipsjk: different to the extent where it wont work? |
| 19:40.40 | yahalom | phillipsjk: so i do x --configure? |
| 19:40.52 | mufa | phillipsjk: I doubt. Maybe you could recompile video driver if using nvidia |
| 19:40.54 | Sphere- | check this out -> oN has an onjoin message -> <oN> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 19:41.15 | phillipsjk | yahalom You should at the very least get a console |
| 19:41.15 | yahalom | Sphere-: yeah i got it too |
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| 19:41.26 | yahalom | phillipsjk: meaning? |
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| 19:41.37 | yahalom | phillipsjk: oh so maybe gui wont work? |
| 19:42.20 | dondelelcaro | greycat: more spamity spam? |
| 19:42.21 | phillipsjk | yahalom if your card are very different, and you are using specialised drivers, there may be some incompatibility |
| 19:42.24 | Sphere- | anybody know of a way to get the 'Direct Admin' Control panel to install and work on Debian ? |
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| 19:42.41 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: I can't believe you haven't got +r yet. |
| 19:42.58 | yahalom | phillipsjk: i have an ati 9200 on this one. the other one was a win98 so it has a very basic one old one. |
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| 19:43.20 | phillipsjk | The SVGA driver should work. |
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| 19:44.15 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: because a lot of people who aren't +e need help, and this is the place to get it. |
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| 19:44.24 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: if people really care about it, they can always go +E |
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| 19:44.57 | yahalom | phillipsjk: thats the standard right? |
| 19:44.58 | masoft | how can I add the /boot/debianlilo.bmp picture to my lilo.conf ? |
| 19:45.10 | phillipsjk | yahalom yes. |
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| 19:45.21 | directhex | masoft, read the documentation for grub-splashimages |
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| 19:45.30 | yahalom | phillipsjk: ok so it basically should work? |
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| 19:45.37 | dondelelcaro | (for those following along at home, chanmode +r is block unidentified) |
| 19:45.39 | phillipsjk | yes. |
| 19:45.41 | masoft | directhex, I said LILO, not grub :D |
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| 19:46.13 | phillipsjk | yahalom sorry if I scared you :) |
| 19:46.38 | yahalom | phillipsjk: no man its good. i've been back and forth there several times. it has to work this time. |
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| 19:47.11 | HansZ | Hello |
| 19:47.28 | masoft | how can I add a .BMP picture to my LILO ? |
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| 19:47.36 | HansZ | I've got a soundcard on my laptop, I really need help configuring it |
| 19:48.04 | streuner | masoft: there is a nice version of animated lilo bmp's |
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| 19:48.35 | HansZ | can someone help me around? |
| 19:48.47 | masoft | I have a picture in my Debian for LILO. /boot/debianlilo.bmp how can I add it to lilo.conf ? |
| 19:48.57 | streuner | masoft: http://www.gamers.org/~quinet/lilo/xray-blue.html |
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| 19:49.18 | j_k | !tell HansZ about sound |
| 19:49.24 | streuner | masoft: that's _animated_ - really nice |
| 19:49.39 | masoft | streuner, thx ;) |
| 19:49.53 | HansZ | j_k: lol, i wish i knew what driver my soundcard uses |
| 19:50.05 | LordFrith | lsmod |
| 19:50.22 | streuner | masoft: there are 3 other animated versions as well, if you don't like blue ;-) |
| 19:50.25 | j_k | LordFrith: actually he's trying to find out which module to load ;-) |
| 19:50.40 | LordFrith | Ah. That would be a tad trickier, |
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| 19:51.11 | phillipsjk | HanZ keep reading (lspci -v) |
| 19:51.27 | LordFrith | or even -vv |
| 19:51.43 | HansZ | phillipsjk: The only thing i see is Host bridge, Toshiba.. etc |
| 19:53.09 | j_k | LordFrith: and what did pnpdump say ? |
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| 19:53.24 | j_k | uh, s/LordFrith/HansZ |
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| 19:53.35 | LordFrith | :) |
| 19:53.43 | LordFrith | I was a bit perplexed there for a moment. |
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| 19:55.48 | marska | Hello.. GAIM logs all chats, where does GAIM store these chats to be default? |
| 19:56.27 | chealer | marska: ask #gaim |
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| 19:57.11 | marska | Chealer: thank you |
| 19:57.15 | phillipsjk | chealer There is a channel for every major package? |
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| 19:57.34 | chealer | phillipsjk: not necessarily |
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| 19:58.15 | chealer | these channels are for help with an application, not the debian package |
| 19:58.39 | chealer | thererefore there are more people to answer you if your question isn't debian-specific |
| 19:58.40 | marska | Chealer: I'd assume its both. |
| 19:58.44 | dondelelcaro | marska: ~/.gaim |
| 19:59.18 | marska | Thank you very much Dondelelcaro |
| 19:59.21 | dondelelcaro | if you're using Debian, you can ask any question you want about a Debian package here. However, you may find better results in the channels specific to that packag.e |
| 19:59.50 | phillipsjk | understood. |
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| 20:00.18 | bnoji | Does anyone know offhand if a 2002 Lancer ES is a 4G93 or 4G94? |
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| 20:00.43 | dondelelcaro | and there's an example of a question that has NOTHING to do with Debian... ;-) |
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| 20:01.16 | WhiteRabbit | 4G94 |
| 20:01.19 | chealer | ah, that's why I always think I know nothing about Debian :) |
| 20:01.54 | j_k | chealer: that's 150 packages, not bad :-) |
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| 20:02.19 | WhiteRabbit | chealer, Debian a wonderful choice |
| 20:02.21 | chealer | ok...0,1% |
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| 20:02.41 | chealer | WhiteRabbit: sure :) |
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| 20:02.52 | madduck | i am using openoffice 1.1.3 on two machines, with the avantgarde fonts. on one machine it's all nice and well, on the other, the font is replaced with bloody helvetica |
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| 20:03.00 | madduck | i cannot see a difference in the set of installed packages |
| 20:03.04 | madduck | what could be the problem? |
| 20:03.06 | madduck | how do i fix it? |
| 20:03.30 | glamdring | question... what package do I need in debian in order to get mousing capabilities from a text-only login like redhat does? |
| 20:03.40 | glamdring | I cna't find anyhing through google |
| 20:03.41 | EdibleText | glamdring, gpm |
| 20:03.46 | madduck | or maybe not replaced, but line breaks are all fucked up... |
| 20:03.48 | flame | http://ftp.lug.ro/debian-cd/images/3.0_r5/i386/debian-30r5-i386-binary-1.iso is this woody or sarge? |
| 20:03.54 | madduck | flame: woody |
| 20:04.09 | glamdring | gpm, thanks |
| 20:04.31 | streuner | !d-i flame |
| 20:04.31 | dpkg | flame, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:04.47 | flame | i don't get it, what's with the debian-installer ? |
| 20:04.58 | streuner | !d-i |
| 20:04.58 | dpkg | d-i is probably the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 20:05.01 | dondelelcaro | flame: it will install sarge, which is what you want to install. |
| 20:05.16 | WhiteRabbit | flame, its decently nice I used it on my other box it worked flawlessly |
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| 20:05.38 | flame | oh god damn it, i wanted sarge not woody, now it's at 89% downloaded |
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| 20:06.00 | flame | where are the sarge .isos ? |
| 20:06.06 | madduck | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 20:06.13 | chealer | flame: heh, didn't I told you that yesterday? |
| 20:06.20 | dondelelcaro | flame: you don't need the isos... Just get the netinst image. |
| 20:06.45 | j_k | flame: unless you use ppp for your internet connection (methinks.) |
| 20:06.51 | sparr_ | can gdm run user-specified programs based on the wm selected? i am currently using kdm and it lacks this functionality |
| 20:06.56 | sparr_ | or xdm even |
| 20:07.03 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: yes, any of them can. |
| 20:07.06 | flame | no, i do need the isos because 30k/s is too little for a net install |
| 20:07.12 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: that just depends on the session you select |
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| 20:07.33 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: yes, and when i select the "openbox" session i want it to run a pager and a panel. any idea how to do that? |
| 20:08.02 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: modify the openbox session to run a ~/.config/openbox/openbox_session; and start the pager and a panel there. |
| 20:08.03 | portahex | !ops CeLeroN onjoin spambot |
| 20:08.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: CeLeroN onjoin spambot |
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| 20:08.22 | greycat | looks like it was klined. |
| 20:08.26 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: id really prefer not to get root involved |
| 20:08.29 | streuner | damn - you are fast |
| 20:08.39 | Alsor | *CeLeroN* http://www.*******.tr.gs ****Videos Was soll das? |
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| 20:08.48 | LoRez | Alsor: oral? |
| 20:09.01 | streuner | Alsor: pr0n buisness |
| 20:09.06 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: what you suggest is what ive come to as the best solution so far, but i dont really want to have to have root modify system files, especially files that are going to get overwritten next time i upgrade a package |
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| 20:09.11 | Alsor | yes, but I don't care - this is stupid |
| 20:09.21 | streuner | Alsor: well |
| 20:09.26 | Alsor | why do I became this? |
| 20:09.34 | flame | umm, i can't seem to understand this, where are the sarge .iso ? |
| 20:09.35 | Alsor | did I become |
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| 20:09.52 | streuner | Alsor: you got this, because someone want to make money :-) |
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| 20:10.04 | Alsor | yes, but I won't |
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| 20:10.11 | Alsor | I set mode +R |
| 20:10.11 | cpjvelde | does a normal system have a PCI hotplug controller |
| 20:10.14 | cpjvelde | ? |
| 20:10.17 | giupy | can it be possible that making a cdaudio with "burnfree" support cause problems when tryng reading it with a normal stereo ? |
| 20:10.17 | madduck | how can I install the "Avant Garde Gothic" font for use by OpenOffice? |
| 20:10.25 | exerd | can i search for files or directorys with a command? |
| 20:10.26 | thebug | debian rules, 858 people can't be wrong :) |
| 20:10.29 | Alsor | CeLeroN stinkr |
| 20:10.57 | streuner | thebug: there are more users in #gentoo ... ;-) |
| 20:11.12 | quitte | is there a tool to make it easier to add a new entrz to changelogs? |
| 20:11.19 | madduck | quitte: debchange |
| 20:11.22 | streuner | and even more users use windows... |
| 20:11.24 | quitte | thanks |
| 20:11.30 | thebug | streuner: would you like some OMGFASTMATH ? |
| 20:11.37 | flame | umm, i can't seem to understand this, where are the sarge .iso ? |
| 20:11.41 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: im holding your suggestion back as a last resort, if i cannot find the functionality already existing in a dm package |
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| 20:11.58 | EdibleText | !d-i |
| 20:11.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 20:12.07 | chealer | !d-i flame |
| 20:12.07 | dpkg | flame, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 20:12.21 | streuner | thebug: *shrug* |
| 20:12.24 | flame | umm, i just went there |
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| 20:12.48 | Tallia1 | hi guys...... i has some truble with autofs........ someone could help me ? andre |
| 20:12.53 | cpjvelde | does a normal system have a PCI hotplug controller |
| 20:12.54 | cpjvelde | ? |
| 20:13.00 | thebug | I see it's the same usual gang around #debian (at least judging by sussudio's stats) |
| 20:13.06 | EdibleText | flame, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 20:13.17 | EdibleText | flame, did you *read* the page..? |
| 20:13.22 | Tallia1 | hi guys...... i has some truble with autofs........ someone could help me ? andre |
| 20:13.29 | paulswm | flame: well the links to the netinst isos are on that page, all over it in fact |
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| 20:13.51 | flame | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ <- this is sarge? |
| 20:14.00 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 20:14.11 | voidz0r | yup |
| 20:14.19 | flame | but why 14cd's ??? |
| 20:14.24 | thebug | flame: only stable is distributed as official ISOs |
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| 20:14.39 | streuner | flame: because debian get more and more packages... |
| 20:14.43 | voidz0r | flame: to hold all those 14000 packages or so? |
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| 20:14.48 | flame | oh, so there are no sarge .iso's ? |
| 20:14.53 | j_k | !tell Tallia1 about ask |
| 20:14.55 | voidz0r | thats still impressive then |
| 20:14.56 | streuner | there are |
| 20:14.57 | voidz0r | 1000 packages per cd |
| 20:15.07 | phillipsjk | flame you only need the first one I believe (feel free to correct) |
| 20:15.10 | voidz0r | I'd recommend using the netinstall disc |
| 20:15.19 | flame | voidz0r no netinstall |
| 20:15.25 | WhiteRabbit | you could always use the netinstall disc though |
| 20:15.28 | voidz0r | phillipsjk: yes, |
| 20:15.35 | voidz0r | you can use the first disc as your netinstall disc too |
| 20:15.43 | voidz0r | flame: why not? |
| 20:15.48 | flame | sarge-i386-1.iso <- this is the bootable sarge install disc ? |
| 20:15.48 | thebug | why no netinstall? obviously you're online right now |
| 20:15.58 | ian | I have a question about flash and mozilla. What are the differences between the libflash-mozplugin and flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 20:15.59 | thebug | it'll take you longer to download ISOs that you won't be using the whole of |
| 20:16.04 | flame | thebug 30k/s is too little for my patience |
| 20:16.07 | streuner | flame: yes, it is |
| 20:16.08 | j_k | flame: it looks like it is.. |
| 20:16.13 | voidz0r | debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso is newer |
| 20:16.24 | streuner | flame: just get d-i |
| 20:16.28 | bucky | !d-i |
| 20:16.28 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 20:16.29 | chealer | ian: libflash-mozplugin is free and is about 2/3 broken |
| 20:16.29 | streuner | !d-i flame |
| 20:16.30 | dpkg | flame, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:16.32 | flame | well i'll just wait for sarge to get final so things will get clearer |
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| 20:16.46 | streuner | flame: no need |
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| 20:16.51 | flame | if you !d-i flame one more time i'll swear i'll kick your ass |
| 20:16.53 | streuner | flame: look at the topic |
| 20:16.57 | bizfish | hi i like 'debian' operating system! |
| 20:17.05 | WhiteRabbit | flame, at 30k I doubt it will be to clear on 8 or more cds.. |
| 20:17.08 | thebug | do you biz?! |
| 20:17.12 | EdibleText | flame, you can dl the 110 or so mb of the net install and get just what you need or dl an entire 700 mb of disc1 |
| 20:17.17 | thebug | haha |
| 20:17.23 | bizfish | yes\ |
| 20:17.23 | bucky | flame, keep sarge in your sources.list and it will go stable |
| 20:17.25 | madduck | how can I install the "Avant Garde Gothic" font for use by OpenOffice? |
| 20:17.28 | FieldySnuts | @annoy EdibleText |
| 20:17.30 | ravenbird | EdibleText: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 20:17.34 | ian | so one shoudl really use the nonfree version if I want to see shockwave stuff with mozilla? |
| 20:17.36 | streuner | flame: so don't tell us again you are bored about 30k/s again |
| 20:17.36 | EdibleText | flame, either way you are downloading |
| 20:17.42 | paulswm | flame: the most efficient way to install is using the netinst iso, do it |
| 20:17.59 | voidz0r | ian: depends |
| 20:18.03 | EdibleText | FieldySnuts, thats refreshing ;) |
| 20:18.05 | chealer | ian: definitely |
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| 20:18.15 | voidz0r | not if you follow the GNU |
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| 20:18.31 | flame | paulswm i just want the latest version of debian (sarge) in .iso format with the regular packages (the base, and the x server) |
| 20:18.32 | voidz0r | but if you don't care about freedom |
| 20:18.34 | voidz0r | then sure |
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| 20:18.43 | bizfish | i agree 2 much traffic to cope with |
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| 20:18.50 | voidz0r | not everyone can be religious |
| 20:18.57 | streuner | flame: usually when debian releases its distro jigdo is the right choice,but not nowdays |
| 20:19.01 | Tallia1 | j_K |
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| 20:19.07 | ian | I just want to view some pages with flash, so I guess I'll try the nonfree |
| 20:19.08 | bucky | !tell flame about d-i |
| 20:19.12 | paulswm | flame: so use the netinst iso, you download less |
| 20:19.14 | leo | Hello everybody, where I can find a good, free and full hardware guide? |
| 20:19.15 | streuner | haha |
| 20:19.31 | Tallia1 | j_k: ook......... i've inserted the following line.. usb -fstype=auto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=001 :/dev/sda |
| 20:19.33 | voidz0r | www.tomshardwareguide.com |
| 20:19.48 | streuner | Telling people, don't do that, you get always a reaction then ... |
| 20:19.49 | flame | paulswm i told you i want the main packages (like the x server) on cd !!! |
| 20:19.58 | ian | thanks for the quick advice everyone |
| 20:19.58 | Tallia1 | j_k: but when i try to access the automount directory an error is printed on syslog |
| 20:20.01 | ian | exit |
| 20:20.03 | ian | quit |
| 20:20.05 | voidz0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.20 | thebug | flame: maybe you should just go download Fedora Core, that seems more about your speed |
| 20:20.24 | j_k | Tallia1: what error ? |
| 20:20.28 | streuner | flame: they aren't complete now |
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| 20:20.37 | voidz0r | fedora core 4 should be out soon |
| 20:21.00 | EdibleText | !fedora |
| 20:21.00 | dpkg | methinks fedora is Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, modelled after other community projects such as Debian and Gentoo. It is not directly supported by Red Hat itself. See http://fedora.redhat.com or #Fedora for more information |
| 20:21.00 | Tallia1 | mount(generic): failed to mount /dev/sda1 (type vfat) on /removable/usb |
| 20:21.04 | flame | it's not about speed, it's about having it on cd so it won't have to be re-downloaded on another install |
| 20:21.08 | phillipsjk | flame spend the 8hours downloading the image then. (updates will be the same as netinistall) (I did that at 3K/sec) |
| 20:21.14 | PerfDave | flame: apt-proxy :) |
| 20:21.22 | streuner | flame: sure, you can use them, of course, but i would always in this situation d-i |
| 20:21.25 | WhiteRabbit | ian could of went to shockwave.com & clicked on the green puzzle piece & firefox would have auto installed flash |
| 20:21.33 | streuner | flame: recommend* |
| 20:21.34 | j_k | Tallia1: does the 'dmesg | tail' command show anything related ? |
| 20:21.43 | bucky | flame, that's what apt-get is for |
| 20:21.47 | Tallia1 | ?? |
| 20:21.49 | PerfDave | flame: If you want to install stuff off CD, wait for Sarge to release. Otherwise you'll have to download more stuff when it updates. |
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| 20:22.06 | bucky | by the time you get anything on a cd it gets upgraded anyway |
| 20:22.14 | madduck | how can I install the "Avant Garde Gothic" font for use by OpenOffice? |
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| 20:22.21 | Asacarny | i asked this earlier but i didn't get an answer: should there be any problems using debian-installer to make a 1-partition (e.g. just / ) software RAID installation? |
| 20:22.21 | streuner | guys, only _one_ person - he get pretty overloaded by all this answers... ;-) |
| 20:22.28 | voidz0r | madduck: what format is it |
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| 20:22.39 | voidz0r | oh wait |
| 20:22.41 | madduck | voidz0r: no idea. i have it on one machine and not on the other |
| 20:22.45 | j_k | Tallia1: 'dmesg' shows the last kernel messages |
| 20:22.51 | voidz0r | it's an msttcorefont right? |
| 20:22.52 | flame | ok, i'll download another cd (maybe dvd with everything) when sarge comes out |
| 20:22.52 | madduck | voidz0r: and on the other, there are *more* font packages installed. |
| 20:22.54 | EdibleText | streuner, buts its the same answer :) |
| 20:23.01 | madduck | voidz0r: i doubt it. it's adobe |
| 20:23.02 | voidz0r | and an ugly one too, compared to bitstream ;) |
| 20:23.02 | Tallia1 | ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A |
| 20:23.09 | voidz0r | adobe? |
| 20:23.13 | madduck | yeah |
| 20:23.13 | voidz0r | then it must come with acrobat reader |
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| 20:23.20 | madduck | -adobe-itc avant garde gothic-demi-o-normal |
| 20:23.21 | Tallia1 | usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 20:23.21 | streuner | EdibleText: :-) |
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| 20:23.28 | masoft | when I want to play a .mid file, my Debian sarge says : Could not open /dev/sequencer . what can I do ? |
| 20:23.32 | paulswm | !moo |
| 20:23.32 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 20:23.37 | voidz0r | but if you've got the ttf |
| 20:23.40 | madduck | voidz0r: no acrobat installed. |
| 20:23.42 | voidz0r | from a windows box or whatever, |
| 20:23.47 | madduck | voidz0r: it's a unix font. |
| 20:23.49 | voidz0r | you can simply use defoma to install it |
| 20:23.51 | voidz0r | ok |
| 20:23.58 | madduck | i just don't know where it's from. |
| 20:24.00 | j_k | Tallia1: is this the last line ? if not, what's the last line dmesg prints ? |
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| 20:24.06 | voidz0r | then maybe you can still use defoma |
| 20:24.11 | madduck | it's a latex classic |
| 20:24.16 | voidz0r | hm |
| 20:24.24 | EdibleText | I like the sound of that |
| 20:24.24 | voidz0r | strange |
| 20:24.26 | madduck | voidz0r: how do i find out what to export from one machine to get to the other? |
| 20:24.32 | voidz0r | i have only seen it on a windows box |
| 20:24.33 | bucky | madduck t1-cyrillic contains Free Avant Garde, is that close enough? |
| 20:24.51 | paulswm | EdibleText: no doubt a rubber band, ha ha ha |
| 20:24.51 | madduck | bucky: probably not. i have a presentation in Impress here, and it was made with Avant Garde |
| 20:24.53 | chealer | flame: how did you get to http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ ? |
| 20:24.56 | madduck | i open it and it' |
| 20:25.02 | madduck | it is all messed up |
| 20:25.06 | EdibleText | i just lol'ed |
| 20:25.06 | madduck | as it uses Helvetica |
| 20:25.10 | Tallia1 | mhhhhhhh |
| 20:25.11 | voidz0r | madduck: can you change it to bitstream vera sans? |
| 20:25.18 | j_k | madduck: one option is to use timidity rather than playmidi. |
| 20:25.20 | voidz0r | it will look a lot better imho ;) |
| 20:25.23 | Tallia1 | j_k: sda: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 20:25.23 | Tallia1 | SCSI device sda: 511488 512-byte hdwr sectors (262 MB) |
| 20:25.23 | Tallia1 | sda: Write Protect is off |
| 20:25.23 | Tallia1 | sda: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 |
| 20:25.23 | Tallia1 | sda: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 20:25.23 | Tallia1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:25.24 | madduck | voidz0r: not without reformatting 270 slides due tomorrow. |
| 20:25.29 | voidz0r | :p |
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| 20:25.42 | voidz0r | well, |
| 20:25.49 | voidz0r | in impress you can easily change the design layout |
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| 20:25.54 | bucky | madduck, if you want to use commercial fonts.. good luck, it can be done but IMHO it's not worth it |
| 20:25.55 | voidz0r | simply click the button in the lower left corner |
| 20:26.00 | Tallia1 | j_k: there are a lots of lines....... |
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| 20:26.06 | voidz0r | then change the font there |
| 20:26.11 | voidz0r | and bingo, all slides have changed |
| 20:26.15 | j_k | Tallia1: you can paste in #flood. |
| 20:26.15 | madduck | bucky: "Avant Garde Gothic" is commercial??? |
| 20:26.21 | voidz0r | yes |
| 20:26.27 | j_k | Tallia1: or paste the last one here. |
| 20:26.28 | madduck | mh, wow. |
| 20:26.33 | bucky | madduck, have you even googled this yet? |
| 20:26.37 | madduck | yes |
| 20:26.41 | voidz0r | clusty'ed? |
| 20:26.42 | Tallia1 | pasted |
| 20:26.44 | j_k | Tallia1: it's probably the one which is relevant. |
| 20:26.47 | j_k | ok. |
| 20:26.48 | madduck | voidz0r: no |
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| 20:26.53 | voidz0r | =) |
| 20:26.58 | madduck | voidz0r: what's that? |
| 20:27.07 | Tallia1 | j_k: have you seen it!? |
| 20:27.07 | voidz0r | it's a Great ThingTM |
| 20:27.14 | voidz0r | http://www.clusty.com/ |
| 20:27.20 | j_k | Tallia1: did you mount a CD lately ? |
| 20:27.25 | madduck | fuck |
| 20:27.32 | madduck | i will change to bitstream then |
| 20:27.39 | madduck | thanks |
| 20:27.39 | voidz0r | it also integrates with wikipedia |
| 20:27.41 | Tallia1 | yes,,, |
| 20:27.41 | madduck | ttfn |
| 20:27.53 | Tallia1 | to try if autofs doesn't function at all |
| 20:27.57 | voidz0r | always make design changes in the design view |
| 20:28.01 | j_k | Tallia1: can you mount the usb storage manually ? |
| 20:28.03 | Tallia1 | but with the cd it functions.. |
| 20:28.04 | voidz0r | will save you a lot of work |
| 20:28.06 | Tallia1 | yes |
| 20:28.15 | madduck | voidz0r: of course. |
| 20:28.26 | Tallia1 | with sudo mount /dev/sda /WHATUwant |
| 20:28.28 | voidz0r | also try to get all positions and sizes exactly right |
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| 20:28.39 | voidz0r | make sure everything aligns |
| 20:28.39 | madduck | voidz0r: what's annoying is that i cannot change the background image properly. Master->Background just selects Master->Title |
| 20:28.48 | voidz0r | hmm lemme see |
| 20:28.48 | madduck | Tallia1: use pmount |
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| 20:28.54 | Tallia1 | k |
| 20:28.59 | Tallia1 | i'll try |
| 20:29.00 | grendal_prime | ff |
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| 20:29.58 | grendal_prime | anyone got a method for sending info to a nokia 3100 phone..the calendaring app in that bugger to be specific |
| 20:30.02 | Tallia1 | yes it function (where is the created directory!?!) |
| 20:30.14 | grendal_prime | im sick of using the stupid little number pad for alpha entrys |
| 20:30.21 | Tallia1 | j_k: andrea@taglia:/removable$ pmount /dev/sda TEMP |
| 20:30.25 | madduck | voidz0r: this presentation has an elaborate background, which my comp can't handle. it's like 500 objects. so i want to replace it with a screen shot, or disable it for now. |
| 20:30.32 | grendal_prime | but i love the fact that i can keep my schedule in the thing |
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| 20:30.40 | madduck | voidz0r: setting the whole thing to black/white in display quality does not cut it. |
| 20:30.45 | voidz0r | madduck: I can change the background just fine |
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| 20:31.15 | madduck | voidz0r: 1.1.3/ |
| 20:31.17 | madduck | ? |
| 20:31.19 | voidz0r | replacing it with a screenshot is ugly |
| 20:31.20 | voidz0r | yes |
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| 20:31.36 | voidz0r | when in design mode, |
| 20:31.42 | madduck | voidz0r: so View->Master->Background hides the text for you? |
| 20:31.43 | voidz0r | simply select layout from the menu and then page |
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| 20:32.09 | madduck | design mode? i only know master mode |
| 20:32.10 | j_k | Tallia1: mount (with no arguments) will show you what's mounted where. |
| 20:32.20 | giupy | i have copied an audio cd and i can't read it with my stereo,another pc and the same pc wich i have used, any idea ? |
| 20:32.23 | sparr_ | AHA! |
| 20:32.25 | voidz0r | cannot find that... |
| 20:32.26 | giupy | i have used k3b |
| 20:32.27 | sparr_ | i knew there had to be a way |
| 20:32.32 | voidz0r | lemme put OO.o in english lang |
| 20:32.45 | madduck | voidz0r: i really appreciate your help |
| 20:32.51 | Tallia1 | j_k: so? the pmount functions .. what else i have to do?! |
| 20:33.05 | voidz0r | oops... |
| 20:33.09 | voidz0r | it wont go in english.. |
| 20:33.11 | j_k | < Tallia1> yes it function (where is the created directory!?!) |
| 20:33.13 | ohad | hi, does anyone know what pkg do i install in order to view hebrew fonts on my system? |
| 20:33.15 | voidz0r | maybe if i install an i18n package |
| 20:33.16 | j_k | < Tallia1> yes it function (where is the created directory!?!) |
| 20:33.26 | Tallia1 | j_k: yes... :) |
| 20:33.27 | j_k | oh, sorry for the dup. |
| 20:33.29 | madduck | voidz0r: so it works in another language? |
| 20:33.35 | Tallia1 | j_k: it was a divagation.. :) |
| 20:33.37 | streuner | ohad: locales |
| 20:33.43 | j_k | Tallia1: ok. |
| 20:33.46 | derflo | has anyone experiences with debian-cd ? |
| 20:33.54 | voidz0r | madduck: lol, well that hasnt got a thing to do with it |
| 20:34.02 | voidz0r | i'm just using it in my native language |
| 20:34.12 | voidz0r | so we may be using different words for the same thing |
| 20:34.18 | madduck | which menu? |
| 20:34.20 | madduck | the third menu? |
| 20:34.31 | madduck | fifth option from the bottim? |
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| 20:34.32 | FieldySnuts | ~annoy FieldySnuts |
| 20:34.38 | Tallia1 | j_k: :) |
| 20:34.39 | voidz0r | lol, i can see what 'view' is ;) |
| 20:34.49 | voidz0r | E: Kon pakket openoffice.org-i18n-en niet vinden |
| 20:34.56 | pipegeek | well, toodles |
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| 20:35.00 | voidz0r | E: Could not fine package openoffice.org-i18n-en |
| 20:35.08 | voidz0r | e=d |
| 20:35.20 | madduck | voidz0r: dutch and english aren't that far... |
| 20:35.23 | voidz0r | thats odd |
| 20:35.29 | voidz0r | yes they are ;) |
| 20:35.44 | voidz0r | especially in the dtp field |
| 20:35.51 | Tallia1 | j_k: ?? |
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| 20:36.03 | voidz0r | well, |
| 20:36.06 | voidz0r | to put it simple |
| 20:36.12 | voidz0r | i simply click the second button, |
| 20:36.20 | voidz0r | from the button bar in the lower left corner |
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| 20:36.36 | voidz0r | that gives me a template page |
| 20:36.40 | madduck | yeah, that's "Master View" |
| 20:36.44 | voidz0r | ah ok |
| 20:36.48 | derflo | when I run "make bootable", debian-cd fails with .../dists/unstable/main/installer-i386/current/images/cdrom/boot.img': No such file or directory |
| 20:36.48 | madduck | and how do you get to the background? |
| 20:36.54 | voidz0r | easy |
| 20:36.56 | voidz0r | layout > page |
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| 20:37.04 | derflo | how can I create such a boot.img |
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| 20:37.39 | madduck | voidz0r: will try. thanks. |
| 20:37.40 | j_k | Tallia1: is there something else? |
| 20:37.53 | voidz0r | madduck: OO.o is really very consistent in this |
| 20:37.53 | Tallia1 | yes.. autofs not functions!! |
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| 20:38.20 | j_k | Tallia1: well, i'm not an automounter guru... |
| 20:38.21 | voidz0r | once you get used to it, it's very easy to find things, and easier to pickup later then say, |
| 20:38.24 | voidz0r | ms office or corel office |
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| 20:38.45 | voidz0r | especially the former is very inconsistent in it's menu items |
| 20:38.47 | Tallia1 | j_k: i can mount with mount and pmount but while in the file i written to mount the /dev/sda.. it tries to mount /dev/sda1 |
| 20:38.57 | voidz0r | there are 3 basic types of layout: |
| 20:39.01 | Tallia1 | wrote* |
| 20:39.10 | voidz0r | page layout, paragraph layout, and character layout |
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| 20:39.30 | voidz0r | these work together but are still well seperated |
| 20:39.49 | ohad | streuner, what locales? |
| 20:40.25 | voidz0r | when used properly it gives the user a lot of power |
| 20:40.36 | j_k | Tallia1: if you're running sarge, you may want to check out the usbmount package. |
| 20:40.49 | voidz0r | with a relatively small learning curve |
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| 20:41.39 | voidz0r | the consistency makes it easier to find the thing's you're looking for |
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| 20:42.52 | Tallia1 | j_k: sarge!?! |
| 20:43.05 | j_k | !sarge |
| 20:43.05 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
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| 20:44.27 | j_k | Tallia1: cat /etc/debian_version to check. |
| 20:44.58 | furrywolf | heyas toukitsune. :) |
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| 20:45.23 | toukitsune | hey furrywolf |
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| 20:45.31 | Tallia1 | j_k: i don't understand.. |
| 20:45.36 | Rennegade | so Sarge is close to being the new stable release? |
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| 20:46.37 | simonsays | how do i set environment variables, ie: paths so all users have them? |
| 20:46.41 | voidz0r | Rennegade: yes |
| 20:46.48 | stew | Rennegade: /msg dpkg wwsr (as it says in the /topic) |
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| 20:47.10 | voidz0r | simonsays: put it in /etc/environment |
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| 20:47.16 | voidz0r | or maybe /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 20:47.25 | simonsays | voidz0r: thank you |
| 20:47.36 | voidz0r | users can always override them |
| 20:47.37 | Tallia1 | what is sarge? |
| 20:47.54 | voidz0r | if the default bashrc script from the skeleton sets a PATH, it aint gonna work |
| 20:48.08 | voidz0r | !tell tallia1 about sarge |
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| 20:48.20 | jp- | anyone here experienced with uw-imap know where it keeps info like subfolders created, it uses the unix mbox to list mail, but i can't find where it's creating sub folders which i've done using an imap client. |
| 20:48.21 | jeff_ | i accidentally deleted my fluxbox menu. do you know if i can run apt-get upgrade and it will be replaced, or if i can dload the file from somewhere else, or what i can do to replace it? |
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| 20:48.48 | greycat | !pal UW-imap |
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| 20:48.54 | voidz0r | jeff: simply run update-menus |
| 20:48.57 | simonsays | voidz0r: inregards to the skeleton, that comment only applies to new users created after the defining of /etc/environment correct? |
| 20:49.01 | Tallia1 | sarge?? |
| 20:49.14 | stew | Tallia1: /msg dpkg sarge |
| 20:49.15 | voidz0r | no |
| 20:49.18 | voidz0r | I mean, |
| 20:49.34 | voidz0r | if theres a line that sets the PATH in the skeleton's bashrc, |
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| 20:49.38 | voidz0r | then all users have them |
| 20:49.41 | Tallia1 | a new release of debian |
| 20:49.50 | voidz0r | so setting it from /etc/environment wont be easy |
| 20:49.51 | jeff_ | voidz0r: you kick ass man, thanks |
| 20:49.58 | voidz0r | yw! |
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| 20:50.04 | simonsays | voidz0r: i dont seem to have anything in /etc/skel |
| 20:50.12 | voidz0r | well, check your own .bashrc |
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| 20:50.18 | jeff_ | voidz0r: that even fixed the problem that caused me to accidentally delete it in the first place |
| 20:50.23 | simonsays | voidz0r: nods |
| 20:50.23 | rob_lt | voidz0r: does update-menus regen the menu for all wm and dm that are installed? |
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| 20:50.32 | voidz0r | rob_lt : yes |
| 20:50.37 | rob_lt | cool |
| 20:50.39 | stew | simonsays: you should have at least a .bashrc and a .bash_profile in /etc/skel |
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| 20:50.50 | voidz0r | rob_lt : for KDE you can use kbuildsycoca too |
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| 20:51.02 | voidz0r | just run it and the menu's fresh again |
| 20:51.13 | voidz0r | especially handy after loki installers |
| 20:51.24 | Tallia1 | what /msg dpkg sarge means?!? |
| 20:51.28 | simonsays | stew: i dont seem to... i'm running woody and haven't modified anything like that. |
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| 20:51.51 | stew | !tell Tallia1 about sarge |
| 20:51.56 | Tallia1 | j_k: /msg dpkg sarge |
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| 20:52.22 | voidz0r | well, maybe a bit more background info about debian helps |
| 20:52.27 | voidz0r | !tell Tallia1 about debian |
| 20:52.29 | simonsays | stew: i do have /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 20:52.41 | PeteUK | anyone know what linux apps can run a wifi AP etc |
| 20:52.41 | stew | simonsays: then someone else deleted them from /etc/skel/ |
| 20:52.47 | Tallia1 | eheh |
| 20:53.07 | sparr_ | How can I get kdm to control a second X server, so that it will ask me to log in and I can test my new session settings without closing this session? |
| 20:53.08 | voidz0r | PeteUK: routing is done in the TCP/IP stack, if thats what you mean |
| 20:53.10 | jeff_ | anyone have the binaries for mplayer? |
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| 20:53.27 | stew | jeff_: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:53.36 | voidz0r | sparr_: you can launch a new kdm from the kde menu |
| 20:53.50 | simonsays | stew: ok. then what would be the propper was of setting up an environment variable such as a path. for exapmle i want to set up a path for java so i can get tomcat to run |
| 20:53.50 | voidz0r | change user > start new session |
| 20:53.55 | PeteUK | voidz0r I mean are there apps that allow you to run a hotspot etc |
| 20:53.56 | Tallia1 | guys.. why i have to mount my usb key with /dev/sda an not /dev/sda1 ?? |
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| 20:54.14 | jeff_ | stew: sorry, kind of a newbie |
| 20:54.20 | jeff_ | stew: just type that in? |
| 20:54.27 | sparr_ | voidz0r: im not using kde |
| 20:54.29 | voidz0r | PeteUK: afaik, when you've got a linux box set up as a router, you should be able to pick it up and use it as an ap |
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| 20:54.37 | stew | !WikiFaq simonsays DotFiles |
| 20:54.38 | dpkg | simonsays: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:54.43 | stew | jeff_: type that into your irc client |
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| 20:55.14 | simonsays | stew: thanks! ;) |
| 20:55.26 | PeteUK | oki ta |
| 20:55.30 | benjamindees | anybody know what the normal hotmail ns entry looks like? |
| 20:55.42 | phillipsjk | Tallia1 your usb key is probably no partitioned. |
| 20:55.50 | benjamindees | www.hotmail.com. 1125 IN CNAME www.hotmail.com.nsatc.net. |
| 20:55.54 | benjamindees | does that look right? |
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| 20:56.40 | jeff_ | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles |
| 20:57.04 | Tallia1 | phillipsjk: ......... it's a problem..... because i can't automount if it isn't....... |
| 20:57.10 | voidz0r | sparr_: then no idea... |
| 20:57.13 | Tallia1 | how i can do it!!! |
| 20:57.25 | voidz0r | creating a partition table is ez |
| 20:57.27 | voidz0r | fdisk /dev/sda |
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| 20:57.31 | voidz0r | if thats the correct device |
| 20:57.35 | bobbyd_ | hi |
| 20:57.40 | voidz0r | aiya |
| 20:57.51 | Tallia1 | ez? |
| 20:57.54 | voidz0r | easy |
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| 20:58.16 | sparr_ | voidz0r: you are not alone then |
| 20:58.17 | lawnchair | can someone tell me if debian-maildrop supports mysql ? |
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| 20:58.41 | j_k | Tallia1: but the data on your pen will be destroyed in the process, be sure to back it up. |
| 20:58.48 | grendal_prime | looks like you cant connect to these damn phones |
| 20:58.48 | voidz0r | sparr_: kde 3.4 runs quite fast imho, I've apt-get'ed it without using meta packages |
| 20:58.59 | sparr_ | voidz0r: i agree |
| 20:58.59 | voidz0r | just installed neccesary packages one by one |
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| 20:59.06 | voidz0r | so no unneccesary bloat |
| 20:59.06 | j_k | back *them* up. |
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| 20:59.16 | Renegad3 | Hi I downloded debain but i can't run itit keeps saying not a windows program!!!! WtF???!?!?! |
| 20:59.22 | phillipsjk | sparr_ you can always use the console.. |
| 20:59.23 | lawnchair | heh |
| 20:59.42 | voidz0r | Renegad3: try _booting_ off the cd |
| 20:59.53 | benjamindees | Renegad3, try burning the .iso file to a cd first though |
| 21:00.03 | stew | benjamindees: yes that cname is right |
| 21:00.03 | sparr_ | phillipsjk: to do what? |
| 21:00.09 | Renegad3 | voidz0r I did boot off the cd. I have it open in explorer now |
| 21:00.16 | voidz0r | rofl |
| 21:00.20 | voidz0r | thats not what i meant |
| 21:00.23 | stew | lawnchair: courier-maildrop? |
| 21:00.26 | Tallia1 | ok....... but this means that if i wanna autofs runs a partition MUST exist?!? |
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| 21:00.28 | voidz0r | bootstrapping |
| 21:00.28 | phillipsjk | sparr_ to log in. |
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| 21:00.36 | lawnchair | stew, yes sir |
| 21:00.39 | stew | lawnchair: the debian package of courier-maildrop is not compiled with mysql support |
| 21:00.43 | voidz0r | btw, |
| 21:00.45 | benjamindees | thank you stew |
| 21:00.54 | Renegad3 | voidz0r what is this 'bootstrapping' you speak of? |
| 21:00.56 | sparr_ | phillipsjk: my other users are afraid of consoles |
| 21:00.59 | lawnchair | stew, okay, thanks, im curious...how did you find out ? |
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| 21:01.13 | es0 | does anyone know how I can enable a network interface without assigning it an IP? The network is active, but tcpdump says the interface is not up, ifup tells me it is ignoring unk interface. |
| 21:01.23 | voidz0r | Renegad3: it's the name for the process where the computer tries to load it's operating system |
| 21:01.29 | Tallia1 | ok....... but this means that if i wanna autofs runs a partition MUST exist?!? |
| 21:01.36 | stew | lawnchair: you have to apt-get source courier; edit debian/rules and add --enable-maildropmysql, then rebuild the package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 21:01.38 | voidz0r | try searching wikipedia |
| 21:01.48 | voidz0r | http://www.wikipedia.org/ |
| 21:01.52 | voidz0r | has lots of stuff on the topic |
| 21:01.54 | lawnchair | stew, okay great...thanks! |
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| 21:02.00 | Renegad3 | voidz0r i don't like reeding |
| 21:02.04 | stew | lawnchair: the question gets asked a zillion times in #courier |
| 21:02.04 | stew | lawnchair: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 21:02.05 | Renegad3 | can you tell me |
| 21:02.10 | bobbyd_ | hi |
| 21:02.20 | Renegad3 | do I need to download bootstrap now????? Is It FrEe? |
| 21:02.22 | stew | lawnchair: you will want to do a apt-get build-dep courier as well |
| 21:02.24 | bobbyd_ | how do I set the keyboard layout to british? |
| 21:02.26 | Tallia1 | ok....... but this means that if i wanna autofs runs a partition MUST exist?!? |
| 21:02.27 | voidz0r | Renegad3: then try ubuntu =) |
| 21:02.29 | lawnchair | stew, :) thanks, ok |
| 21:02.35 | stew | bobbyd_: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 21:02.36 | j_k | Tallia1: we heard you. |
| 21:02.41 | lawnchair | stew, thanks again, i appreciate it |
| 21:02.46 | voidz0r | get the cd's from your local LUG |
| 21:02.49 | Renegad3 | vodz0r will ubuntu do the bootstrp thing |
| 21:02.56 | voidz0r | ofcourse! |
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| 21:03.32 | benjamindees | here's a question, if I thought a website were malicious, is there some way I can test it? |
| 21:03.33 | bobbyd_ | stew: I'm using irssi, I didn't get a message from dpkg |
| 21:03.38 | jasoncohen | how do i make firefox the default browser? |
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| 21:03.54 | Renegad3 | benjamindees you can type the address in the bar at the top of the browser |
| 21:03.55 | stew | !tell bobbyd_ about keymap |
| 21:03.59 | voidz0r | benjamindees: well, try opening it with IE under winxp |
| 21:04.01 | jasoncohen | thunderbird is currently loading konqueror. i could manually edit it but i think it's just using a default |
| 21:04.12 | Renegad3 | benjamindees it's hard without google, but usually it starts with www. |
| 21:04.22 | stew | bobbyd_: do you have a red number in the status bar after Act: |
| 21:04.26 | Renegad3 | OMG! Firef0x sux0r! |
| 21:04.30 | voidz0r | if it's malicious, you could get a warning (or not) |
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| 21:04.40 | voidz0r | and find yourself sending a few thousand spam messages |
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| 21:05.15 | voidz0r | Renegad3: really constructive remark |
| 21:05.44 | _rene_ | voidz0r: no. it's not. |
| 21:05.54 | Renegad3 | voidz0r well it dose. it wont run windowsupdate and anything |
| 21:06.03 | voidz0r | duhuh, didn't you see <sarcasm> </sarcasm> around it? |
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| 21:06.27 | voidz0r | Renegad3: dude, welcome to the world of microsoft's marketing tactics |
| 21:06.42 | bobbyd_ | stew: I do now thanks :) |
| 21:06.50 | voidz0r | it doesnt have anything to do with Mozilla Firefox |
| 21:06.59 | voidz0r | let alone that you can judge it by that |
| 21:07.03 | Renegad3 | voidz0r wtf? Microsoft R0x0r! They give you stuff 4 free what works!!!!!!!!!! Firefox is the lamer not working |
| 21:07.14 | benjamindees | jasoncohen, there is a default setting in kde, not sure if thunderbird uses that |
| 21:07.22 | voidz0r | lol, man who are you |
| 21:07.29 | Jason_1 | sup all |
| 21:07.36 | Renegad3 | voidz0r my name is joe |
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| 21:07.55 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: look at update-alternatives? I think that Debian's Thundebrird should use that setting. |
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| 21:08.10 | voidz0r | well joe, |
| 21:08.20 | voidz0r | better head to #microsoft then, maybe they can make you happy |
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| 21:08.41 | voidz0r | keep you credit card handy ;) |
| 21:08.43 | voidz0r | +r |
| 21:08.50 | Renegad3 | voidz0r it says 'this chnel is a placeholder'; |
| 21:08.59 | voidz0r | ah, thats a pity |
| 21:09.06 | si|vercat | is there a lighter version of gdm/kdm with login and choosing wm and stuff? :P |
| 21:09.06 | benjamindees | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.18 | voidz0r | so you've got this uB3R l337 iRc thingy, |
| 21:09.27 | voidz0r | and microsoft's not on it? |
| 21:09.33 | Renegad3 | voidz0r well it's not 1337 cos too many words |
| 21:09.38 | Renegad3 | msn is bettr |
| 21:09.40 | phillipsjk | Renegad3 see if EI still does WU if you disable the unfixable ActiveX controls. |
| 21:09.43 | voidz0r | oh yeah, |
| 21:09.44 | Renegad3 | i cant do pictures her |
| 21:09.50 | thebug | si|vercat: wdm |
| 21:09.52 | jasoncohen | PerfDave, where do i find update-alternatives? |
| 21:09.53 | voidz0r | especially 7.0 when it comes to spreading pr0n |
| 21:10.12 | Renegad3 | phillipsjk WTF?? SeRiOsLy WTF |
| 21:10.17 | voidz0r | theres nothing that can beat that, it's such an efficient pr0n network |
| 21:11.01 | Renegad3 | voidz0r DONT OPEN pr0n!!!! IT is virus. It got me 4 times that way. I though it ws Jlo but it made windows open up evrywhere |
| 21:11.11 | voidz0r | ick |
| 21:11.14 | Renegad3 | Renegad3 if you want the pr0n I have good stuff |
| 21:11.18 | voidz0r | well, I've got news for ya |
| 21:11.23 | voidz0r | irc can't do that! |
| 21:11.26 | voidz0r | really it can;t! |
| 21:11.28 | Flimzy | Can anyone recommend a good dual-head 3D video card with good Linux support? |
| 21:11.36 | Renegad3 | voidz0r pr0n on msn |
| 21:11.38 | EdibleText | just GIS for porn.. |
| 21:11.39 | bobbyd_ | !tell bobbyd_ about set up x |
| 21:11.40 | voidz0r | theres also no annoying buzzer |
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| 21:11.47 | EdibleText | its cheap and safe |
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| 21:12.05 | deadcat | Flimzy: nvidia or ati works fine. |
| 21:12.17 | drp | doesn't sound like #debian around here |
| 21:12.38 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: man update-alternatives |
| 21:13.04 | PerfDave | Flimzy: Dunno, you'll want something by nVidia probably though, they're the only manufacturer with decent Linux drivers. |
| 21:13.06 | Flimzy | deadcat: I've heard horror stories about (at least some) ATI cards in Linux... and nVidia doesn't have open drivers, (altho I'm using nVidia right now, and not terribly unhappy) |
| 21:13.14 | voidz0r | Renegad3: tell me, seriously, did you make up the above? |
| 21:13.14 | Renegad3 | voidz0r how do you do 1337 inirc |
| 21:13.22 | voidz0r | a what |
| 21:13.30 | EdibleText | drp, you mistyped welcome to #deviant |
| 21:13.37 | Flimzy | PerfDave: Are nVidia's closed drivers considered better than alternative mfgr's open drivers? |
| 21:13.39 | Renegad3 | voidz0r no it's tru!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you get virus from pr0n in msn! |
| 21:13.47 | deadcat | Flimzy: i am using the fx5200 on my desktop. dual works fine. exept that i dont know why it hangs my X for no freakin reason. |
| 21:13.49 | voidz0r | no i mean the whole thing |
| 21:13.55 | stew | Renegad3: stop |
| 21:14.06 | Renegad3 | stop? |
| 21:14.17 | voidz0r | he means the l33t thing |
| 21:14.21 | jasoncohen | i think i'll just install the aboutconfig extension for thunderbird and set it up there |
| 21:14.25 | voidz0r | and the excessive ! signs |
| 21:14.28 | Renegad3 | voidz0r no it's real it's on yahoo |
| 21:14.30 | Renegad3 | yahoo sux0r |
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| 21:14.37 | voidz0r | tell me about it =) |
| 21:14.42 | voidz0r | i mean no, |
| 21:14.44 | Flimzy | deadcat: I have a GeForce4 MX 440 right now using my only AGP slot, and a Voodoo Banshee PCI for my 2nd head. Want a better 2nd head device, and was considering a PCI GeForce, but then thought I might just upgrade all at once, and get a dual-head AGP. |
| 21:14.45 | voidz0r | don't tell :D |
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| 21:15.04 | Renegad3 | GeForce4??? LOL!!!!!! LOL!!! LOL!! get a new crd! |
| 21:15.19 | voidz0r | whats wrong with GF4 |
| 21:15.21 | voidz0r | i have GF2 myself |
| 21:15.22 | Flimzy | Renegad3: Are you alright? |
| 21:15.23 | deadcat | Flimzy: ya. dual head agp arent that expensive and save you a slot |
| 21:15.27 | voidz0r | for a few months now |
| 21:15.28 | PerfDave | Geforce 4 is plenty good enough for many purposes |
| 21:15.32 | js_ | i have a gf2 mx, but nobody cares so i .. hmm |
| 21:15.35 | Renegad3 | geforce4 is ghtto |
| 21:15.39 | voidz0r | yeah, especially xscreensaver hehe |
| 21:15.41 | WhiteRabbit | I still have a gforce 4 4600ti & it still kicks |
| 21:15.44 | Flimzy | Renegad3: I think you are ghtto (whatever the hell that means) |
| 21:15.53 | Renegad3 | flimzy i mean getto |
| 21:15.55 | voidz0r | WhiteRabbit : i'm sure it does! |
| 21:16.02 | Renegad3 | i'm not getto. |
| 21:16.02 | EdibleText | jetto? |
| 21:16.03 | Flimzy | Renegad3: ahh. Well then I think you're getto. |
| 21:16.07 | WhiteRabbit | lets see |
| 21:16.08 | Renegad3 | no |
| 21:16.14 | Renegad3 | i am 1337 |
| 21:16.15 | voidz0r | well Renegad3, |
| 21:16.18 | Flimzy | Renegad3: Oh, My mistake. You're just a troll. |
| 21:16.24 | voidz0r | you seem to be running, like windows xp? |
| 21:16.31 | Renegad3 | windows rox0r! |
| 21:16.32 | voidz0r | man dats teh suxz0r! |
| 21:16.36 | deadcat | voidz0r: seem? (= |
| 21:16.37 | WhiteRabbit | 65499 frames in 5.0 seconds = 13099.800 FPS |
| 21:16.37 | Renegad3 | no |
| 21:16.44 | Renegad3 | windows is 1337 |
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| 21:16.51 | voidz0r | man, my linux box can outrun your's in a microsec! |
| 21:16.58 | Renegad3 | it doesnt make u read thing and works |
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| 21:17.07 | voidz0r | linux is teh shiznit |
| 21:17.20 | voidz0r | it does infinite loops in like what, ten seconds? |
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| 21:17.32 | voidz0r | so by all means, |
| 21:17.34 | es0 | does anyone know how I can enable a network interface without assigning it an IP? The network is active, but tcpdump says the interface is not up, ifup tells me it is ignoring unk interface. |
| 21:17.36 | voidz0r | keep hanging out the microsoftie |
| 21:17.37 | voidz0r | sure |
| 21:17.38 | deadcat | hmm. bad hour to be in #debian. |
| 21:17.40 | phillipsjk | Renegad3 Have you read the EULA? |
| 21:17.42 | voidz0r | more power to us! |
| 21:17.44 | voidz0r | pwnage!!! |
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| 21:17.48 | Renegad3 | phillipsjk EULA? |
| 21:17.54 | Renegad3 | Is that like LOTR? |
| 21:17.56 | voidz0r | End User License Agreement |
| 21:17.57 | es0 | I'm re asking incase someone that knows the answer didn't see it the first time. |
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| 21:18.04 | Renegad3 | voidz0r wtf is that? |
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| 21:18.07 | voidz0r | its the long document windows users SHOULD READ |
| 21:18.10 | sinner | anyone know why my dell poweredge hangs on boot with linux26 at Real Time Clock Driver v1.12 |
| 21:18.20 | voidz0r | it says what your rights are and what not |
| 21:18.25 | Renegad3 | voidz0r y? |
| 21:18.27 | voidz0r | mostly not |
| 21:18.28 | voidz0r | yes |
| 21:18.37 | voidz0r | you arent allowed to do most stuff |
| 21:18.43 | voidz0r | whereas linux, |
| 21:18.45 | voidz0r | oh boy, |
| 21:18.45 | Renegad3 | wtf? |
| 21:18.47 | voidz0r | linux has the GPL |
| 21:18.52 | voidz0r | GPL r0xxz0r! |
| 21:19.02 | Renegad3 | gpl |
| 21:19.09 | voidz0r | GNU General Public License |
| 21:19.11 | voidz0r | in full |
| 21:19.21 | phillipsjk | es0 TCP is an IP protocol. |
| 21:19.21 | Flimzy | Don't feed the trolls. |
| 21:19.25 | j_k | es0: ifconfig eth0 (or whatever) up |
| 21:19.31 | voidz0r | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html |
| 21:19.39 | voidz0r | the preamble just says it all |
| 21:19.39 | Renegad3 | words :( |
| 21:19.55 | Renegad3 | i am dyslxic cnat read it all |
| 21:20.01 | voidz0r | well, |
| 21:20.04 | j_k | phillipsjk: tcpdump shows more than tcp. |
| 21:20.10 | Flimzy | voidz0r: stop it. |
| 21:20.15 | voidz0r | under linux there is this really kewl gadget, called konqueror |
| 21:20.20 | voidz0r | and it has this screenreader |
| 21:20.28 | voidz0r | it will read the text just fine!!! |
| 21:20.29 | voidz0r | really! |
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| 21:20.50 | Renegad3 | i have stuff for my glasses to read |
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| 21:21.01 | Renegad3 | ihave gren glasses to help read |
| 21:21.13 | bnoji | I just ran into a wall with my car. |
| 21:21.14 | voidz0r | you may benefit from freetype too |
| 21:21.16 | Renegad3 | i need specil thngs |
| 21:21.20 | voidz0r | it has better rendering then truetype |
| 21:21.23 | voidz0r | or cleartype |
| 21:21.28 | es0 | j_k, Thanks!!! you're a genius! |
| 21:21.28 | slava__ | quick bash question: how do i get string blabla.txt from string ../aa/bbb/blabla.txt ? thanks |
| 21:21.30 | Renegad3 | no! in eed green |
| 21:21.38 | voidz0r | ah |
| 21:21.41 | stew | slava__: basename |
| 21:21.42 | Renegad3 | my glasses are green lense |
| 21:21.51 | voidz0r | well there's a lot of advanced theme stuff in kde and gnome |
| 21:21.53 | slava__ | basename ? |
| 21:21.56 | js_ | slava__: foo="../aa/bbb/blabla.txt" ; echo ${foo##*/} |
| 21:21.58 | Renegad3 | ill show you a link voidzor |
| 21:21.59 | voidz0r | it's _VERY_ customizable |
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| 21:22.09 | bobbyd_xbox | hi, I have debian automatically booting into X on startup. I want to run a program as the user that X is run under on startup (just before or after X starts up). how do I do that and which file in init.d should I put it in? |
| 21:22.26 | stew | slava__: run filename=$(basename ../aa/bbb/blahblah.txt) |
| 21:22.28 | voidz0r | X is started as root |
| 21:22.34 | voidz0r | don't start apps as root |
| 21:22.39 | Renegad3 | voidz0r here http://www.rossmusic.net/fls.htm |
| 21:22.45 | voidz0r | everytime you start your apps as root, god kills a kitten |
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| 21:23.17 | voidz0r | large fonts |
| 21:23.18 | bobbyd_xbox | voidz0r: ok, i just want to run a program as a specific user on startup |
| 21:23.24 | voidz0r | ah, thats something else |
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| 21:23.31 | voidz0r | depends on the display manager |
| 21:23.40 | bobbyd_xbox | voidz0r: it's a deamon |
| 21:23.49 | voidz0r | you can set it up to launch a certain session as a certain user with gdm and kdm |
| 21:23.57 | mea_ | bobbyd_xbox: make an init-script an use su - <username> -c <command> |
| 21:24.07 | bobbyd_xbox | mea_: ahh, ok |
| 21:24.17 | voidz0r | does not have to work, mea |
| 21:24.35 | voidz0r | you might need to do a bit more work, like executing xhost |
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| 21:25.50 | voidz0r | so, anyone into el torito? |
| 21:26.14 | LSorensen | voidz0r: as in bootable cds? |
| 21:26.18 | voidz0r | yes |
| 21:26.37 | LSorensen | voidz0r: what about them? |
| 21:26.40 | voidz0r | hey, your nick seems familiar |
| 21:26.42 | voidz0r | well, |
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| 21:27.03 | voidz0r | I've got a classy AMD K6, and the BIOS supports booting from CD |
| 21:27.07 | TwistedEmotions | Hey guys... |
| 21:27.10 | senda | when an upgrade of xserver-xfree86 finishes I get this error unkown to Google: "DeprecationWarning: xreadlines is deprecated; use 'for line in file'" |
| 21:27.10 | voidz0r | it also searches for a boot record |
| 21:27.22 | voidz0r | but now I've got this philips drive in it, |
| 21:27.34 | voidz0r | it refuses to boot from the sarge install cd |
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| 21:27.42 | voidz0r | but i thought the cd drive didnt matter |
| 21:28.01 | TwistedEmotions | voidz0r: Does bios recognize ith? |
| 21:28.15 | voidz0r | good point, i think so... |
| 21:28.16 | scorphus | hi, when executing "echo '2*5*pi' | octave -q 2>&1" with user www-data (actualy it is executed by PHP, but it gets same error message) I get an "error: Permission denied" message. Can anyone help me with this? |
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| 21:28.31 | voidz0r | yes it does |
| 21:28.36 | voidz0r | wait a sec... |
| 21:28.38 | voidz0r | it boots!!! |
| 21:28.39 | TwistedEmotions | voidz0r: YOu sure? |
| 21:28.42 | TwistedEmotions | heh |
| 21:28.43 | TwistedEmotions | gj |
| 21:28.45 | TwistedEmotions | me |
| 21:28.52 | voidz0r | wow |
| 21:28.52 | PerfDave | scorphus: What are the permissions on octave? |
| 21:28.53 | voidz0r | thanks :D |
| 21:28.58 | TwistedEmotions | haha jkin.. |
| 21:29.00 | bobbyd_xbox | mea_: ok, i made the script and put it in init.d, how do I get it to be run at startup? I'd like it to be run just before X, or at least after most of the system has been initialised. |
| 21:29.13 | stouset | bobbyd_xbox: update-rc.d |
| 21:29.24 | bobbyd_xbox | stouset: ok, thanks |
| 21:29.25 | stouset | bobbyd_xbox: Add to 2nd runlevel. |
| 21:29.40 | mea_ | bobbyd_xbox: dont forget to make the script executable |
| 21:29.49 | stouset | Aye, listen to mea_. |
| 21:29.57 | bobbyd_xbox | mea_: yes, I did that |
| 21:29.58 | scorphus | PerfDave: I forgot to tell that octave gets called and the expected result is shown, but the error message follows |
| 21:29.59 | nottu | hello, how can i remove repository from cvs ? |
| 21:30.05 | TwistedEmotions | Aye, |
| 21:30.22 | voidz0r | LSorensen: guess its the same old story, something doesnt work, someone else comes, it works... |
| 21:30.27 | voidz0r | happens :p |
| 21:30.43 | j_k | nottu: remove a whole repository? rm? |
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| 21:30.48 | voidz0r | -rf |
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| 21:31.05 | nottu | j_k: just rm -r the directory ? |
| 21:31.06 | dn4 | how do I extract a .tar.gz |
| 21:31.06 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.13 | LSorensen | voidz0r: the bios is the one that has to support eltorito and be set to boot cd before hd of course. So I guess that got it working for you |
| 21:31.13 | nottu | dn4 tar zxvf file |
| 21:31.14 | voidz0r | tar xzvf <file> |
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| 21:31.42 | voidz0r | LSorensen: yes, I thought so! no support in the cd drive neccesary |
| 21:31.49 | scorphus | please take a look to http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=3085 |
| 21:31.49 | j_k | nottu: well, if you don't want anything left, yes. 'cvs rm', then 'cvs commit' for removing a file inside a repository |
| 21:31.55 | voidz0r | I recall bootting off a doublespeed drive now... |
| 21:31.57 | voidz0r | knoppix |
| 21:32.00 | voidz0r | went AWFULLY slow |
| 21:32.06 | mea_ | bobbyd_xbox: you can add the srcipt manually: ln -s /etc/init.d/<script> /etc/rc3.d/S<script> or you use update-rc.d to add the link |
| 21:32.07 | LSorensen | voidz0r: I can imagine. |
| 21:32.11 | voidz0r | used '2' though |
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| 21:32.20 | voidz0r | didnt want to load up the whole kiddin kaboodle |
| 21:32.51 | bobbyd_xbox | mea_: rc3? is that runlevel 2? |
| 21:33.00 | nottu | j_k: ok, and to setup a rev of 0.3.1 for example.. when i use cvs import i must add -r 0.3.1 ? like cvs import program user start -r 0.3.1 ? |
| 21:33.14 | mea_ | bobbyd_xbox: oops, no, of course not. rc2.d is for runlevel2 |
| 21:33.23 | bobbyd_xbox | mea_: ok that's good :) |
| 21:33.24 | otje | I'm getting messages like "PAM_unix[7393]: authentication failure; (uid=0) -> backup for ssh service" in my syslog, with "backup" replaced with some other accounts as well. What is this? |
| 21:33.30 | EdibleText | !dict 'kit and caboodle' |
| 21:33.32 | dpkg | could not find definition for 'kit and caboodle' |
| 21:33.46 | LSorensen | nottu: generally trying to tell cvs what revision numbers to use leads to insanity. It uses them internally for branch management so if you try to tell it what to do it just causes trouble. |
| 21:33.49 | voidz0r | it could mean someones tampering with your system |
| 21:33.58 | voidz0r | is the sshd listening to the whole internet? |
| 21:34.05 | otje | voidz0r: yes |
| 21:34.07 | voidz0r | on a public interface? |
| 21:34.24 | voidz0r | well, then you may also see 'john', 'peter' and such |
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| 21:34.44 | voidz0r | thats bots trying to get into your system using brute force attacks |
| 21:34.49 | otje | no, no normal user accounts, just some system accounts |
| 21:34.53 | nottu | LSorensen: i want it to start from rev 0.3.1 is that such a bad thing ? |
| 21:34.55 | j_k | nottu: I can't help you that much, but it's all explained in 'info cvs' |
| 21:35.13 | voidz0r | otje, try changing the port from 22 to 222 or 2222 for example |
| 21:35.22 | LSorensen | nottu: yes, since 0.3.1 is a branch number, not a file revision number. Not allowed. |
| 21:35.22 | j_k | nottu: I don't think you can set revision numbers, use tags for tagging specific versions. |
| 21:35.29 | voidz0r | if the problems stop, it were definately some malicious ppl or bots |
| 21:35.29 | otje | security by obscurity? :) |
| 21:35.34 | otje | yes, true, I'll try |
| 21:35.36 | voidz0r | well, it DOES stop the bots |
| 21:35.46 | voidz0r | they only check port 22 |
| 21:35.51 | voidz0r | sshd is usually safe anyway |
| 21:36.03 | voidz0r | unless your system is severely broken |
| 21:36.07 | nottu | LSorensen: and how do i set file revision numbers to be 0.3.1 from the start ? |
| 21:36.08 | LSorensen | nottu: first file is 1.0, first branch of that file is 1.0.1 with first new file in that branch 1.0.1.1 |
| 21:36.17 | otje | voidz0r: I guess it's okay here, thanks |
| 21:36.22 | voidz0r | yw |
| 21:36.29 | LSorensen | nottu: file revision numnbers are always even number of numbers, while branches are odd |
| 21:36.42 | voidz0r | finally! |
| 21:36.45 | LSorensen | nottu: they auto increment, if you tell it what to do it may break. not recomended. |
| 21:36.55 | nottu | LSorensen: ok |
| 21:37.02 | voidz0r | mr microsoft roxzz0r has left the building =) |
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| 21:37.07 | LSorensen | nottu: besides the revision of each file has nothing to do with the version of the overall project, you use tags for that |
| 21:37.32 | LSorensen | nottu: does x.c rev 1.4 and y.c rev 1.6 and z.h rev 2.6 tell you anything about what version the project is released as? |
| 21:37.33 | nottu | LSorensen: i am new to cvs.. how do i setup those tags ? |
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| 21:37.55 | bobbyd_xbox | mea_: what sequence code should I use if I'm adding it with update-rc.d ? |
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| 21:38.11 | LSorensen | nottu: when you do a release, you tell it to tag branch you are releasing (often you branch a release so that you can do fixes to it later while your mainline continues development). |
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| 21:38.29 | dli | any good wireless monitors? |
| 21:38.35 | LSorensen | nottu: you can also say 'tag the current version of all files with tag "Rev 0.3.1" and then you can always go checkout that tag later |
| 21:38.58 | LSorensen | nottu: of course cvs is just painful in general. look at subversion if you are starting a new project |
| 21:39.00 | scorphus | thx |
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| 21:39.19 | voidz0r | omg... the d-i cd hasn't got rmmod in it's initrd |
| 21:39.22 | mea_ | bobbyd_xbox: update-rc.d <script> start <number when to start> 2 |
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| 21:39.42 | LSorensen | nottu: many things have been going to subversion lately. kde recently went from cvs to subversion, and much of debian's backend stuff has moved to subversion too. |
| 21:39.42 | mea_ | bobbyd_xbox: like: update-rc.d runuser.sh start 99 2 |
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| 21:40.09 | PerfDave | Subversion is easy to migrate to from CVS, it seems. |
| 21:40.23 | bobbyd_xbox | mea_: ahh, ok I see |
| 21:40.44 | sinner | oh it was acpi=off fixed it. |
| 21:40.50 | LSorensen | PerfDave: well as long as you don't mind the history being crap since they have rather different concepts of checkins. starting with subversion from the start is nicer. of course code in subversion working with checkin history is better than nothing so the convertion scripts are useful. |
| 21:40.53 | mea_ | bobbyd_xbox: <script> is just the basename. without paths |
| 21:41.04 | voidz0r | LSorensen: I like darcs |
| 21:41.18 | LSorensen | PerfDave: subversion checks in change sets as one revision, while cvs checksin individual files with revision per file. |
| 21:41.21 | bobbyd_xbox | mea_: ok thanks |
| 21:41.28 | voidz0r | but maybe subversion is better for huge projects |
| 21:41.32 | PerfDave | LSorensen: Yeah, but lots of people already use CVS, so if they want to migrate from their existing CVS installations, Subversion is a good idea. |
| 21:41.38 | bobbyd_xbox | Perforce is good |
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| 21:41.54 | LSorensen | PerfDave: makes it easier in subversion to go 'what changed on checkin 356' while in cvs you would have to go check the logs and find out what files were checked intogether and what revision it was, etc... |
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| 21:42.03 | PerfDave | LSorensen: Yes, I know ;p |
| 21:42.06 | stew | bobbyd_xbox: its great, but unfortunately non-free |
| 21:42.24 | LSorensen | PerfDave: certainly after moving over you can do everything for future checkings, but the old code checkings are no better than they were in cvs (obviously). :) |
| 21:42.42 | LSorensen | too bad it can't make tings better than they were :) |
| 21:42.46 | veleno | some times ago, topic reported about the packaging progress of gnome2.10, now not anymore there. where do I find info ? |
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| 21:43.10 | stew | SCM comparison: http://better-scm.berlios.de/comparison/ unfortunately doens't cover some of the newer ones like arch and baz |
| 21:44.42 | bobbyd_xbox | mea_: it's weird I get an error when i do that's it's asking for a runlevel between 0 and 9 even though I gave it 99 then 2 |
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| 21:46.34 | mea_ | bobbyd_xbox: update-rc.d donothing.sh 99 2 . |
| 21:46.46 | bobbyd | ahh, the dot! |
| 21:46.52 | mea_ | bobbyd_xbox: there has to be a trailing dot (.) |
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| 21:47.01 | bobbyd | mea_: that's just silly :) |
| 21:47.09 | voidz0r | anyone got scoop on the impossible to remove kmods? |
| 21:47.09 | voidz0r | like |
| 21:47.10 | voidz0r | pdc202xx_new 9152 0 [permanent] |
| 21:47.22 | voidz0r | noticed it on many boxes including my own |
| 21:47.22 | c4l1n | I have a long prioblem, it spans two single posts, will i be auto-kicked if i enter it here? |
| 21:47.53 | voidz0r | maybe use #flood |
| 21:48.04 | voidz0r | but 2 lines should be ok |
| 21:48.15 | c4l1n | it will be fine then. |
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| 21:48.30 | voidz0r | shoot |
| 21:48.51 | c4l1n | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.51 | c4l1n | n error level 1 and saysnothign else. the script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache-ssl.postinst is where the error occurs for the problem now, yet runnig that file apart from dpkg it executes fine, but i can't continue the dpkg execution till that line passes... is there anyone who can help me fix this or get around it? |
| 21:49.31 | voidz0r | thats unusual |
| 21:49.48 | c4l1n | yeah |
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| 21:50.28 | voidz0r | and you already did a apt-get --purge remove <all apache packages>, and then reinstall? |
| 21:50.37 | c4l1n | heh |
| 21:50.39 | voidz0r | or did that make it worse? |
| 21:50.45 | c4l1n | I've done a crapload more than that |
| 21:50.54 | voidz0r | ok |
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| 21:51.16 | voidz0r | so, |
| 21:51.17 | c4l1n | I've: edited the /var/lib/dpkg/info/ files, I've done the --purge on all offending packages, I've done etc etc |
| 21:51.25 | voidz0r | if you do a dpkg -i <theapachepkg> |
| 21:51.28 | voidz0r | it goes wrong |
| 21:51.33 | voidz0r | as well as from apt-get? |
| 21:51.36 | c4l1n | mhmm |
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| 21:52.07 | voidz0r | really i find it interesting how one can break dpkg |
| 21:52.11 | c4l1n | meh |
| 21:52.28 | c4l1n | i don't find it interesting, i want my webserver back from its 3.5 week "vacation" |
| 21:52.56 | voidz0r | to be honest, i don't find it an easy task myself, but i can imagine that the problems can get to the users instead of the other way around |
| 21:53.11 | voidz0r | heh |
| 21:53.26 | voidz0r | are you sure it wasn't pwned? ;) |
| 21:53.27 | c4l1n | the problem can get to the users hwaa? |
| 21:53.38 | voidz0r | yes, |
| 21:53.46 | c4l1n | i'm asking what oyu meant |
| 21:53.47 | voidz0r | that happens when you don't do anything wrong |
| 21:53.50 | voidz0r | and the program bombs |
| 21:53.54 | c4l1n | heh |
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| 21:54.29 | cpjvelde | which filesystems do i need in my kernel if i want to boot? |
| 21:54.35 | cpjvelde | i read about cramfs |
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| 21:54.40 | Gathond | cpjvelde: the ones you use :) |
| 21:54.41 | voidz0r | probably ext2 |
| 21:54.41 | ribnitz | evening. |
| 21:54.45 | voidz0r | exactly |
| 21:55.03 | voidz0r | well its midnight here |
| 21:55.08 | Gathond | cpjvelde: if you use ext2, then you need that, if you use reiserfs that and so forth |
| 21:55.09 | voidz0r | =) |
| 21:55.14 | cpjvelde | ext2 was obvious to me...but since i dont have a initrd i should also do cramfs? |
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| 21:55.25 | jasoncohen | why do so many applications from debian's main repo not have gnome or kde menu icons? |
| 21:55.27 | voidz0r | if you use it, yes... |
| 21:55.33 | Gathond | cpjvelde: do your computer use cramfs for anything to boot it? |
| 21:55.36 | voidz0r | because they dont fit there |
| 21:55.43 | voidz0r | they're not gnome or kde apps |
| 21:55.51 | ribnitz | I need help. I want to do a script that a) downloads a webpage (wget) b) runs some analysis over it, and puts certain rows of a table into a db (or spreadsheet).. |
| 21:55.52 | voidz0r | nor would they integrate nicely into the desktop |
| 21:55.56 | cpjvelde | Gathond, my linux partition is on a windows disk |
| 21:56.00 | cpjvelde | so to say |
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| 21:56.07 | c4l1n | @$#% dpkg |
| 21:56.09 | otje | Won't those debian servers get a lot of traffic when sarge goes stable? |
| 21:56.16 | c4l1n | otje: yes |
| 21:56.25 | voidz0r | cpjvelde: wth |
| 21:56.28 | bobbyd_xbox | ok, I have my script working at startup, but it's supposed to run an X app, which doesn't seem to work. voidz0r is that what you were talking about with xhost? |
| 21:56.31 | ribnitz | otje: Thats what mirros are for. |
| 21:56.31 | zinx | otje: that's why there are so many of them |
| 21:56.40 | Gathond | cpjvelde: so we are not talking booting at all? |
| 21:56.51 | voidz0r | bobbyd_xbox: if you have -nolisten tcp, it's even more work then xhost |
| 21:56.54 | cpjvelde | grub is in mbr, but the first partition on the hd is ntfs |
| 21:57.05 | EdibleText | ribnitz, c) ??? d) profit! |
| 21:57.05 | voidz0r | but without -nolisten tcp, you need to run like xhost +localhost first |
| 21:57.07 | bobbyd_xbox | voidz0r: what's the default? |
| 21:57.09 | jasoncohen | is there any reason that firefox 1.0.4 and gaim haven't been added to testing yet? I know firefox was a critical update |
| 21:57.10 | voidz0r | for instance: |
| 21:57.13 | rob_lt | What are you guys/gals planning on doing once sarge goes stable? If I keep my sources.list file pointed at "testing" repos instead of "sarge repos", will I then start to upgrade to what sid is now? |
| 21:57.14 | voidz0r | the default is nothing |
| 21:57.17 | otje | well it wasn't keeping me awake at night, I was just wondering |
| 21:57.20 | voidz0r | export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 21:57.24 | voidz0r | xhost +localhost |
| 21:57.26 | stew | no |
| 21:57.29 | stew | don't use xhost |
| 21:57.31 | stew | ever |
| 21:57.34 | voidz0r | su <username >-c command |
| 21:57.45 | voidz0r | well it _is_ easy after all ;) |
| 21:57.56 | stew | !xhost |
| 21:57.56 | dpkg | i heard xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. |
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| 21:58.13 | ribnitz | EdibleText: Pages are always the same, I basically want to tell it get the first three rows of a table, each into a var, which I can the write to some file. |
| 21:58.23 | voidz0r | well ssh X11 forwarding is FAR from an ideal solution here |
| 21:58.27 | mount | why configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. when i type ./configure |
| 21:58.41 | voidz0r | why not launch X as the needed user, |
| 21:58.42 | bobbyd_xbox | voidz0r: can't I just put it in the user's .xsesion file? |
| 21:58.44 | voidz0r | it's setuid root anyway |
| 21:58.47 | mount | what package i must install ? |
| 21:58.48 | voidz0r | yeah |
| 21:58.57 | voidz0r | launch the app from .xsession |
| 21:59.01 | voidz0r | and use startx |
| 21:59.03 | stew | why not just set XAUTHORITY? |
| 21:59.06 | voidz0r | su <user> -c startx |
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| 21:59.14 | ribnitz | mount: try build-essential |
| 21:59.19 | ribnitz | or essentials |
| 21:59.20 | voidz0r | i'm gonna get some sleep |
| 21:59.22 | voidz0r | quel kaima |
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| 22:01.39 | grendal_prime | hey..anyone know of a way to pass the login and passwd variable to appache vie a form.. |
| 22:01.48 | c4l1n | yes. |
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| 22:01.57 | ribnitz | grendal_prime: thats a very bad idea. |
| 22:01.59 | grendal_prime | you know like when you get the basic auth dialog box from appache... |
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| 22:02.17 | EdibleText | ribnitz, well the first step would be to clean up the html and other junk and seperate the first 3 rows |
| 22:02.21 | grendal_prime | well i know..but with this particular app its not a big deal |
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| 22:02.34 | ribnitz | EdibleText: tidy can clean it up. |
| 22:02.36 | grendal_prime | i need the varialble information im guessing |
| 22:02.41 | EdibleText | ribnitz, should be easy after that ;) |
| 22:02.49 | Flimzy | What exactly is DVI, and why do so many modern dual-head adaptors have VGA and DVI, and not dual VGA ports? |
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| 22:03.28 | pen123 | What package is the info diff stuff in? |
| 22:03.33 | grendal_prime | ribnitz do you know how to do this...im familiar with the security risks.. |
| 22:03.34 | ribnitz | Flimzy: Its yet another attempt to control the media. Its basically digital output of the video signal |
| 22:03.43 | tabris|away | Flimzy: Digital Video Interface probably. |
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| 22:03.47 | stew | Flimzy: dvi is digital and it means you get a clear picture and shouldn't have to mess with monitor settings |
| 22:03.56 | grendal_prime | its not something that critical |
| 22:03.58 | ribnitz | grendal_prime: require valid-user in some .htaccess |
| 22:04.08 | grendal_prime | ya it has that |
| 22:04.09 | tabris|away | Flimzy: it makes sense for LCDs and some other things. not really for CRTs tho. DVI tends to carry analogue signal too. just need a converter. |
| 22:04.11 | pen123 | if you run info diff, and you get the man page how do you get the info doc stuff? |
| 22:04.19 | grendal_prime | and i have a specific user im going to use for this |
| 22:04.30 | tabris|away | pen123: probably means there isn't one for diff. |
| 22:04.34 | tabris|away | pen123: or it's not indexed |
| 22:04.51 | grendal_prime | its not getting the basic auth dialog..its passing the login information to the dialog box im having a problem with |
| 22:04.53 | Flimzy | So there's not really any point in looking specifically for a dual-VGA card? I can just as easily get a VGA/DVI card, and an adaptor, with no quality degridation or other ill effects? |
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| 22:04.55 | ribnitz | tabris|away: It makes no diff for el cds |
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| 22:05.18 | pen123 | Also is there an info reader for the GUI in Gnome? |
| 22:05.24 | grendal_prime | so that the user does not have to know it...there is a secondary login on this thing..that is based against a mysql table |
| 22:05.34 | tabris|away | ribnitz: why not, LCDs can use a digital signal natively. CRTs are natively analogue devices. |
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| 22:06.31 | ribnitz | tabris|away: An lcd only has one resolution. if you use it at that res, Its as sharp as it can be, no matter whether you use vga or dvi. |
| 22:06.54 | stew | ribnitz: if your monitor settings for analog are ideal |
| 22:07.02 | Althaser | how can I encode wmv to mpg or avi ? please |
| 22:07.10 | tabris|away | Althaser: look into mencoder |
| 22:07.12 | c4l1n | ribnitz: you are not very bright, ehh? an LCD can use many resolutions. |
| 22:07.16 | tabris|away | Althaser: however, it'll look like crap. |
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| 22:07.32 | tabris|away | c4l1n: he is right that LCDs have only one _native_ resolution. |
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| 22:07.47 | ribnitz | c4l1n: an lcd has one native resolution. all other resolutions are calibrated to that res, and hence blurry. |
| 22:07.56 | stew | or cropped |
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| 22:08.03 | ribnitz | stew: true. |
| 22:08.05 | EdibleText | otherwise shitty... |
| 22:08.05 | zinx | s/calibrated/interpolated/ :/ |
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| 22:08.23 | Althaser | tabris|away oky ;) |
| 22:08.26 | c4l1n | I stated that an LCD has more thanone resolution, there was no stating of "native' anywhere before i said anything |
| 22:08.28 | CosmoDad | is it possible to make debian shutdown gracefully when I hit the power button *without* ACPI support (but APM) ? |
| 22:08.48 | tabris|away | Althaser: and it won't look like crap b/c of AVI but that WMV is low-quality, and you're doing a lossy -> lossy conversion, thus lossy ** 2 |
| 22:08.52 | Althaser | tabris|away thanks a lot ;) |
| 22:08.53 | ribnitz | stew: Of course I am not talking about your screen only being a tiny window to a huge desktop |
| 22:09.06 | zinx | if you're lucky, they're blurry. some cheap controllers just use nearest-neighbor interpolation, and on resolutions that aren't a divisor, that looks absolutely horrific |
| 22:09.14 | stew | ribnitz: yes i know, and you are also not talking about not using every pixel on the lcd... |
| 22:09.17 | Althaser | tabris|away i can't see some wmv :( |
| 22:09.24 | tabris|away | Althaser: mplayer should be able to. |
| 22:09.38 | tabris|away | Althaser: and if mplayer cant, it won't do any good with mencoder anyhow. |
| 22:09.46 | rob_lt | Althaser: what are you using to play it with? |
| 22:10.08 | ribnitz | stew: this res is usually 1024x768 for 14 and 15 inch, and 1280x1024 for 17 and 19 inch lcds. |
| 22:10.08 | Althaser | tabris|away i haven't mplayer for amd64 do not exist :( |
| 22:10.13 | Althaser | rob_lt totem and xine |
| 22:10.29 | ribnitz | stew: in the 4:3 format |
| 22:10.33 | rob_lt | Althaser: no mplayer for amd64... too bad... you might want to try vlc. |
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| 22:11.01 | Althaser | rob_lt really ;) |
| 22:11.05 | Althaser | let me try ;) |
| 22:11.41 | ribnitz | c4l1n: Hence if you use the LCD at its native resolution, a pixel is either colored or black. No blurriness possible. |
| 22:11.51 | stew | ribnitz: 1280x1024 is 5:4 not 4:3 if you wanna nitpick :) |
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| 22:12.09 | zinx | stew: physical screen size, i think he means |
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| 22:12.13 | stew | ahh, right |
| 22:12.23 | ribnitz | stew: I dont. I simply wanted to point out that the 16:9 things have different ones. |
| 22:12.38 | Althaser | rob_lt in vlc the image don't appear ;( |
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| 22:13.13 | rob_lt | Althaser: sorry, mplayer and vlc are likely your best bet for playing most media types. |
| 22:13.20 | Odin_Eidolon | hello there |
| 22:13.27 | Althaser | rob_lt no sorry no prob ;) |
| 22:13.28 | rob_lt | Althaser: do you have a link to the video? |
| 22:13.31 | Althaser | rob_lt thanks a lot ;) |
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| 22:13.49 | ribnitz | Any idea on a tool that can extract table colums/rows from a html doc? |
| 22:13.58 | Althaser | rob_lt nop it is in my hard drive |
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| 22:14.50 | ribnitz | ideally scriptable |
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| 22:15.21 | Flimzy | Would I be better off investing in more video memory or a better video chipset? Specifically, I'm debating betweena GeForce FX 5700 256mb, or a FX 5900 128mb. |
| 22:15.58 | stew | Flimzy: are you doing 2d or 3d? |
| 22:16.11 | rob_lt | ribnitz: apt-cache search html2? (just a suggestion, I don't know if any of those results will be what you are looking for) |
| 22:16.13 | ribnitz | Flimzy: depends on your app. Personally I opted for more ram. |
| 22:16.16 | stew | Flimzy: if you aren't doing 3d graphics the extra memory is not going to help |
| 22:16.26 | sidjp | k3b cant record cd in my computer |
| 22:16.32 | Flimzy | stew: I do occasional 3D... Half-Life 2, etc. |
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| 22:16.47 | pen123 | There are a gazillion tools to extract table column rows from docs |
| 22:16.49 | Flimzy | stew: OTOH, for my 2D stuff, my current GeForce4 is more than adaquate. |
| 22:16.56 | sidjp | error while decoding audio tracks |
| 22:16.59 | pen123 | sed awk perl |
| 22:16.59 | Flimzy | ribnitz: what is your app? |
| 22:17.06 | pen123 | python |
| 22:17.07 | stew | Flimzy: i dunno anything about 3d anything |
| 22:17.17 | sidjp | unlocking drive |
| 22:17.35 | Flimzy | stew: hehe |
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| 22:17.45 | sidjp | could not unlock cd device |
| 22:17.47 | ribnitz | Flimzy: Ordinary off the shelf developer box. Java development, a game here and there. Geforce FX 5750 w 25mb |
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| 22:17.59 | ribnitz | er 256mb ofc |
| 22:18.01 | Flimzy | ribnitz: So why did you choose more RAM? |
| 22:18.10 | sidjp | please help me |
| 22:18.11 | Flimzy | ribnitz: for the here and there games? |
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| 22:18.28 | rambo4_ | have you tested legends game |
| 22:18.49 | ribnitz | Flimzy: I am unlikely to see a benefit from more pipelines or a faster chip than I see from more video ram, |
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| 22:18.57 | Flimzy | ribnitz: The only graphics-intensive things I do are watching video streams, which my GF4 MX 440 does perfectly already, and playing games, which my current card is a bit slow on with Half-Life 2 |
| 22:19.25 | Flimzy | ribnitz: What things, other than more 3D textures, take advantage of more video RAM, tho? |
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| 22:20.01 | ribnitz | Flimzy: I get around 58 fps in hl 2 (theoretical, anything above 25 fps is fluid) |
| 22:20.15 | ribnitz | Flimzy: bigger res with more colors. |
| 22:20.41 | j_k | How can I cause segfaulting processes to actually dump core? (guess there's an environement variable or something, but signal(7) doesn't say anything) |
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| 22:20.56 | ribnitz | Flimzy: that game will need more ram before it can use more pipelines or a faster chipset. |
| 22:20.59 | tarzeau | j_k: ulimit |
| 22:21.04 | j_k | ok, thanks. |
| 22:21.05 | tarzeau | j_k: on hurd it's different |
| 22:21.29 | Flimzy | ribnitz: For simple resolution + colors, anything more than 8-16mb is overkill. Unless you're projecting at insane resolutions onto a wall or something. |
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| 22:21.37 | Althaser | rob_lt tabris|away thanks -:) |
| 22:21.49 | j_k | tarzeau: i'm running Linux mostly, but what's the way on hurd, out of curiosity? |
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| 22:21.57 | Althaser | someone could tell me how can i see my bandwidth |
| 22:22.00 | ribnitz | Flimzy: 1280x1024x24 (you dont see 32 bit oclor depth) |
| 22:22.10 | EdibleText | !bing |
| 22:22.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, bing is an Empirical stochastic bandwidth tester |
| 22:22.27 | EdibleText | Althaser, bing is one way |
| 22:22.34 | sotankur | hi,rene |
| 22:22.41 | tarzeau | j_k: don't remember, ##hurd (but it had to do with symlinking to the right "server") |
| 22:22.51 | Flimzy | ribnitz: I use 1600x1200x24. That only requires ~5.5mb of video RAM. |
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| 22:23.14 | Flimzy | ribnitz: On a dual-head display (running off of same vid hardware), I'd need ~11mb of RAM for that resolution on both monitors. |
| 22:23.21 | Althaser | EdibleText how can i use bing ? |
| 22:23.27 | tarzeau | j_k: translator even |
| 22:23.34 | Flimzy | ribnitz: So 256mb vs. 128mb video RAM will make __no difference__ for straight 2D. |
| 22:23.38 | EdibleText | Althaser, apt-get install bing; man bing |
| 22:23.42 | sotankur | hola azulema |
| 22:23.45 | portahex | gpus made this millenium store video data at 32 bit color depth internally, so it's not as if you save anything with 24bit |
| 22:23.53 | Althaser | EdibleText thanks |
| 22:23.56 | EdibleText | Althaser, np |
| 22:24.05 | Flimzy | ribnitz: So unless other things use that video RAM... it'll only be used in 3D apps, right? |
| 22:24.08 | ribnitz | Flimzy: Do you have rendering-intensive apps? - do cad or some such? |
| 22:24.10 | j_k | tarzeau: ok, i'll investigate the day I need it :-) Thanks. |
| 22:24.25 | tarzeau | j_k: the day will be sooner than you all think |
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| 22:24.28 | Flimzy | ribnitz: No. I don't do CAD. I play the occasionally Half-Life 2, etc... and watch a lot of video streams. |
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| 22:25.00 | Flimzy | ribnitz: So I guess when it comes down to it... the only thing I'd need a better vid card for anyway would be Half-Life 2, and other such game. |
| 22:25.00 | Flimzy | s |
| 22:25.02 | tarzeau | ribnitz: did i miss the party? |
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| 22:25.12 | Flimzy | ribnitz: So... for that, would more RAM, or better GPU be more beneficial? hehe |
| 22:25.12 | tarzeau | ribnitz: wait it's saturday? |
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| 22:25.15 | ribnitz | tarzeau: yep. |
| 22:25.24 | ribnitz | tarzeau: party? |
| 22:25.31 | tarzeau | ribnitz: something gnu party |
| 22:25.48 | ribnitz | tarzeau: you mean the fellowship thing? |
| 22:26.01 | tarzeau | ribnitz: not gnu? |
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| 22:26.35 | ribnitz | tarzeau: FSF Europe Fellowship is the only thing that comes to my mind, with relation to wildebeest... |
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| 22:26.50 | Flimzy | ribnitz: What's the rest of your hardware configuration like? RAM, CPU? (to cmpare to mine, to see if your HL2 performance can be expected on my system) |
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| 22:27.49 | the_freaking_pop | hey, I am trying to run "make menuconfig" but all i am getting is a bunch of errors, and it fails.... |
| 22:27.55 | the_freaking_pop | what should i check? |
| 22:28.07 | ribnitz | Flimzy: 1 gig ram, P4-3.2 ghz, about 500 gb on various disks. Intel 915 Chipset. |
| 22:28.30 | Flimzy | ribnitz: pretty similar to mine, except CPU speed |
| 22:28.35 | Flimzy | ribnitz: which might make a big difference... hehe |
| 22:28.36 | ribnitz | Flimzy: the cpu does hyperthreading.. |
| 22:28.36 | j_k | tarzeau: oh, it wasn't mean as a "release soon for 10 years" rant, i've used hurd before, like it very much, and will use it again. I just happen not to use it right now :-) |
| 22:28.52 | ribnitz | Flimzy: how fast is yours? |
| 22:28.53 | Flimzy | ribnitz: Does HL2 take advantage of that? |
| 22:28.56 | cafuego | nearly nice, except for the intel bit |
| 22:28.59 | ribnitz | no idea. |
| 22:29.00 | Flimzy | ribnitz: Mine's a 2.0Ghz Athlon XP. |
| 22:29.10 | pen123 | Is patch still the major tool for program revisions? |
| 22:29.14 | Flimzy | XP 2400+ or whatever |
| 22:29.30 | tarzeau | j_k: great |
| 22:29.34 | ribnitz | Flimzy: more bang for the buck with amd. |
| 22:29.38 | Flimzy | ribnitz: My mobo supports much faster, tho, so I can still upgrade the CPU if necessary. |
| 22:29.43 | ribnitz | pen123: cvs is. |
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| 22:30.03 | ribnitz | Flimzy: thats usually uneconoical. |
| 22:30.09 | ribnitz | economical. |
| 22:30.11 | pen123 | Freaking pop: What kind of errors? |
| 22:30.32 | giupy | wich is the normal FPS for an ati radeon mobility 9700 ? |
| 22:30.46 | Flimzy | ribnitz: Less economical than buying an all new system? I doubt it. |
| 22:30.53 | Flimzy | ribnitz: I already upgraded this CPU once... from a Duron 1.3 to this. |
| 22:31.04 | ribnitz | Flimzy: the only flaw I found so far is that with 160 gb hdd you dont go far if you have video streams on disk. |
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| 22:31.48 | the_freaking_pop | is gcc all i need to have installed to make a kernel? other than the source? |
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| 22:32.03 | ribnitz | the_freaking_pop: build-essentials |
| 22:32.04 | Flimzy | the_freaking_pop: No. |
| 22:32.15 | portahex | when did this turn into a gamer channel? |
| 22:32.27 | portahex | seriously, if you want to chat about this crap, try #overclockers on quakenet |
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| 22:32.46 | portahex | i'm sure the lame-brained teenage ops will be able to help you squeeze an extra frame out of $500 |
| 22:33.20 | giupy | portahex, are you talking with me ? |
| 22:34.00 | dli_ | nscd is the daemon to cache DNS results locally, right? |
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| 22:34.12 | pen123 | gcc is all you need to make a kernel |
| 22:34.13 | Flimzy | ribnitz: I have a 120gb locally, and 200gb on the network. the 200gb is ~60% full.. most of it downloaded Sci Fi episodes. |
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| 22:34.20 | Flimzy | ribnitz: I'll hafta upgrade my HD system too. |
| 22:34.24 | bobbyd | is it possible to run shutdown using sudo? |
| 22:34.35 | tarzeau | bobbyd: sure |
| 22:34.42 | tarzeau | bobbyd: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 22:34.47 | the_freaking_pop | pen123 maybe you can help me.. I am running make config and i am getting a ton of errors, and it wont let me config the kernel... |
| 22:34.54 | dli_ | anyone using the gnome wireless bar? |
| 22:35.00 | pen123 | What are the errors? |
| 22:35.08 | tarzeau | dli_: no |
| 22:35.58 | ribnitz | would awk be able to fetch things out of html or is there something better? |
| 22:36.24 | dli_ | tarzeau, running nscd would reduce dns queries? |
| 22:36.39 | the_freaking_pop | pen123 i'll paste it in #flood |
| 22:36.59 | pen123 | awk perl and sed can all fetch things |
| 22:37.02 | pen123 | So can grep |
| 22:37.04 | ribnitz | dli_: local dns cache with bind9 perhaps? |
| 22:37.10 | the_freaking_pop | better yet, i will put it on a site... one sec |
| 22:37.24 | pen123 | Depends what you want to fetch. |
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| 22:37.53 | Mardus | Heyo |
| 22:38.13 | ribnitz | pen123: the problem is I need to fetch certain rows (<td>...</td>) out of a complex html table. Hence line-based may not be the best approach.. |
| 22:38.28 | the_freaking_pop | pen123 http://nanbelegorn.com/make.txt |
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| 22:39.05 | bobbyd | is there an easy way to pop up a yes/no dialog in X from a bash script? |
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| 22:39.22 | ribnitz | bobbyd: tcl/tk ? |
| 22:39.32 | obsidian | OK, here is what I want |
| 22:39.33 | bobbyd | ribnitz: ok I'll look into that |
| 22:39.42 | obsidian | I have an absolutely insane bug |
| 22:39.46 | obsidian | click on this link |
| 22:39.48 | ribnitz | bobbyd: aka tickle. |
| 22:39.54 | obsidian | http://www.memtest.org/download/1.55.1/memtest86+-1.55.1.iso.gz |
| 22:39.58 | obsidian | and tell me what happens |
| 22:40.08 | obsidian | for me... the second I click that link (in mozilla) X windows exits. |
| 22:40.10 | obsidian | (!!!!) |
| 22:40.15 | obsidian | it's 100% reproducible. |
| 22:40.29 | obsidian | that can't be good. |
| 22:40.37 | ribnitz | obsidian: does #mozilla know yet? |
| 22:40.50 | pen123 | awk '<td>.</td>' but you may need to protect the < and > |
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| 22:41.17 | ribnitz | pen123: I dont need all rows, just certain ones. |
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| 22:41.23 | obsidian | literally - i just did it again, and it just happened again. that's why I just exited and came back!! |
| 22:41.27 | portahex | serves obsidian right for not apt-get installing memtest86+ |
| 22:41.29 | PerfDave | I thought there was a pre-written utility to pop up X dialogue boxes from shell scripts, but I can't think what it's called. |
| 22:41.43 | pen123 | awk 'pattern' prints rows matching pattern |
| 22:41.44 | obsidian | lmao |
| 22:41.44 | ribnitz | obsidian: have you told #mozilla? |
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| 22:41.53 | obsidian | mozilla can crash X windows?! |
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| 22:41.58 | pen123 | awk 'pattern' file |
| 22:42.03 | Mardus | I found a 9.8Mb tar.bz2 of a source of an app that I might want to copile. Can anyone roughly estimate how long would it take to compile it on a computer that's a Pentium 120 with 32Mb of RAM? |
| 22:42.12 | Mardus | * compile |
| 22:42.13 | the_freaking_pop | can any one tell me how to fix the error `make menuconfig` gives? the error is here: http://nanbelegorn.com/make.txt |
| 22:42.19 | ledestin | PerfDave: xmessage |
| 22:42.22 | PerfDave | Mardus: No, nobody can :) |
| 22:42.23 | obsidian | I don't even know who to blame; nothing should be capable of taking out the X server like that |
| 22:42.23 | bobbyd | tarzeau: hmm, i tried doing: sudo shutdown now in a script and it went down to a command prompt asking for the root password or to press ctrl-D, I hit ctrl-D and it went back to X! :) |
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| 22:42.40 | m4lu7 | well. that's just no damned good. just bought a brand spanking new Toshiba laptop, installed debian from sarge minimalist cd, and at boot, get a kernel panic. this sucks. |
| 22:42.41 | obsidian | Has anyone else clicked the link and survived? |
| 22:42.43 | ribnitz | Mardus: thats hard to guess, mozilla&co are heavyweights, so is kde/gnome.. |
| 22:42.48 | obsidian | I want to know if it's just me before I go racing around |
| 22:42.51 | Cyanophytes | anyone here use the internet connection from their mobile phone on a linux computer? |
| 22:42.52 | PerfDave | ledestin: That's the bunny. I just realised that I've been searching on the headless machine for it ;) |
| 22:42.58 | m4lu7 | hrmm. |
| 22:43.12 | obsidian | just... seriously, before you click this link, save whatever you have open. |
| 22:43.12 | resiak | m4lu7: Did you install with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:43.15 | PerfDave | m4lu7: have you looked up the laptop on http://www.linux-laptops.net/ ? I'd guess that you want to try passing noacpi and noapic to the kernel. |
| 22:43.18 | obsidian | http://www.memtest.org/download/1.55.1/memtest86+-1.55.1.iso.gz |
| 22:43.28 | m4lu7 | resiak, nope. it's a few months old sarge iso i have used a lot, 2.4.27 |
| 22:43.33 | resiak | m4lu7: Then try. |
| 22:43.34 | m4lu7 | PerfDave, yeah, it's listed there. |
| 22:43.41 | m4lu7 | resiak, i think i might just do that. |
| 22:43.56 | resiak | m4lu7: 2.6 is the Kernel of the Deities(TM). |
| 22:44.10 | m4lu7 | resiak, you point me to a minimalist net-inst w/a 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:44.13 | Mardus | PerfDave, ribnitz: I mean from someone's experience. I don't think I have ever compiled anything, and it's AbiWord 1.1.x source and not Mozilla, neither KDE/Gnome. |
| 22:44.27 | m4lu7 | resiak, the first thing i'd have done given a good boot, is intsall 2.6.x |
| 22:44.34 | m4lu7 | seems i get to do that first-first |
| 22:44.35 | CosmoDad | is it possible to restrict an ssh-key so a certain usage? such that "using this ssh key allows X forwarding, but no remote shell" |
| 22:44.36 | resiak | m4lu7: You're holding it in your hand right now. |
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| 22:44.43 | m4lu7 | really, now? |
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| 22:44.58 | m4lu7 | i can choose which kernel gets installed from this netinst cd, eh? |
| 22:45.00 | resiak | m4lu7: Yes. Read the help at the bootloader. |
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| 22:45.17 | m4lu7 | well, now. |
| 22:45.21 | m4lu7 | i'd never have thought of that ;) |
| 22:45.22 | m4lu7 | thanks. |
| 22:45.22 | PerfDave | Mardus: There is no real useful way of estimating from the size of a .tar.bz2 file how long it will take to compile on a given hardware. |
| 22:45.35 | PerfDave | m4lu7: Or read the Installation Manual that came with it ;p |
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| 22:45.41 | mentor | CosmoDad: That's authorisation not authentication...so it doesn't have anything to do with the SSH key... |
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| 22:45.55 | m4lu7 | don't give me sh*t, please.i'll do it for myself. |
| 22:45.59 | simonsays | where can i find a jdk1.3 for woody? |
| 22:46.00 | m4lu7 | (right after this beer) |
| 22:46.04 | ribnitz | CosmoDad: "login shell" of the respective user. |
| 22:46.04 | mentor | CosmoDad: I think you can restrict ssh usage, but I'd have to look for info on how to do that... |
| 22:46.09 | resiak | !tell simonsays -about java |
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| 22:46.52 | stew | !wayc Mardus |
| 22:46.52 | dpkg | Mardus: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 22:46.56 | narg | So if I got a sarge netinstall cd |
| 22:46.59 | Mardus | PerfDave: Well, my first sister needs to write her papers because she has exams coming up; she says she hates Linux and she wants MSWord and MSExcel. I can't provide her with these, but I wish to have a stable (and not a very demanding) version of AbiWord. |
| 22:47.12 | narg | and I switched to virtual console 1, and edited apt/sources.list to unstable |
| 22:47.17 | narg | could I netinstall sid? |
| 22:47.28 | swatikiss | im having problems with mozilla extensions as user... they seem to load as root |
| 22:47.29 | portahex | Mardus, why not just give her what she wants, at retail cost? |
| 22:47.29 | stew | narg: you can netinstall sarge and upgrade |
| 22:47.36 | dli_ | Mardus, for whatever the paper, lyx is easier than word |
| 22:47.37 | resiak | narg: IYHTAYS |
| 22:47.40 | jcook | why are the dhcp-clients unable to run in parallel ? |
| 22:47.40 | Mardus | stew: Because I have woody and apt-get gave me an AbiWord that crashes when opening a Word document without specifying its format first. |
| 22:47.48 | narg | Err.. expand said acronym resiak? |
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| 22:47.49 | n0dez | Mardus, have you tried crossover? |
| 22:47.50 | Mardus | dli_: My sister is an MS junkie. |
| 22:47.51 | dli_ | Mardus, ooo |
| 22:47.54 | resiak | !iyhtays narg |
| 22:47.56 | dpkg | narg: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 22:48.05 | stew | Mardus: install a newer one from apt-get.org |
| 22:48.14 | Mardus | portahex: We can't afford all that. |
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| 22:48.17 | Analyser | someone know what a i need to do, to correct it: /dev/video0: Function not implemented ? |
| 22:48.26 | stew | Mardus: or upgrade to sarge |
| 22:48.38 | dli_ | Mardus, I know, but indeed, if the paper is complex, it's very difficult to do word, like figures, refs |
| 22:48.43 | portahex | Mardus, if she can't afford ms software, she doesn't use it. simple as. |
| 22:48.46 | CosmoDad | mentor, ribnitz: thx, found a way to do it, using options within the autorized_keys file |
| 22:49.23 | m4lu7 | i KNEW i should'nt have let this box boot into windows. i just KNEW it. |
| 22:49.23 | Mardus | stew: Ahh, upgrading is out of question, we have S3Trio video card. |
| 22:49.23 | m4lu7 | corrupted my damned machine, it did |
| 22:49.23 | mentor | CosmoDad: feh. |
| 22:49.23 | stew | !s3 |
| 22:49.23 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 22:49.23 | Mardus | portahex: We live in Estonia. Piracy is like 50% here. |
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| 22:50.07 | Mardus | dli_: Word and Excel and the rest of its ilk is most everything she knows. |
| 22:50.13 | abrotman | damn right |
| 22:50.15 | lindi- | Mardus: even my little sister uses openoffice.org :) |
| 22:50.16 | dli_ | Mardus, then, OOo |
| 22:50.21 | Mardus | I am in fact considering getting stuff via apt-get org. |
| 22:50.27 | si|vercat | how do I find out which CD my bins are in, of the 7+ sarge binary cds? |
| 22:50.31 | Mardus | lindi-: OpenOffice won't run on an 8-year-old computer. |
| 22:50.32 | abrotman | ok .. Rygar is hard |
| 22:50.41 | abrotman | si|vercat: only 7 ? |
| 22:50.45 | m4lu7 | Madkiss, oh yes it will |
| 22:50.49 | m4lu7 | or mardus. |
| 22:50.55 | jcook | CD? who installed from cd these days ? |
| 22:51.03 | si|vercat | abrotman: I mean 14 :P |
| 22:51.05 | jcook | s/installed/installs/ |
| 22:51.09 | Mardus | m4lu7: With 32Mb of RAM?!? |
| 22:51.21 | m4lu7 | dude. get more ram. |
| 22:51.21 | abrotman | si|vercat: if you've scanned them .. apt will ask for the right CD |
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| 22:51.28 | m4lu7 | my bloody stopwatch has more ram. |
| 22:51.31 | narg | hah, is your OO.o same sa mine? Mine takes alot of ram :p |
| 22:51.34 | abrotman | !lart Rygar |
| 22:51.34 | m4lu7 | or just use vi. |
| 22:51.42 | si|vercat | abrotman: but I've only got the first 3, and I don't want to get them all to get my package :P |
| 22:52.08 | narg | vi is to unfriendly. Direct her to nano! |
| 22:52.08 | m4lu7 | ... here we go. |
| 22:52.13 | Twisted_Emotions | nano sucks.. |
| 22:52.14 | abrotman | si|vercat: so use an http source |
| 22:52.15 | si|vercat | abrotman: looking for IR-utils like openobex :P |
| 22:52.21 | abrotman | !start an editor war |
| 22:52.21 | dpkg | xemacs doesn't deserve to be in debian |
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| 22:52.23 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 22:52.24 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 22:52.24 | si|vercat | abrotman: there's no internet connection on it |
| 22:52.25 | lindi- | Mardus: well, i run vncviewer on a 10-year-old computer and run all the apps on a remote computer |
| 22:52.26 | abrotman | :) |
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| 22:52.30 | narg | nano > emacs > vi |
| 22:52.42 | m4lu7 | thanks, abrotman ... i needed that. |
| 22:52.43 | lindi- | Mardus: so, get a shell account where you can run OOo |
| 22:52.43 | Twisted_Emotions | negative. |
| 22:52.50 | ApEtc | !start an editor war |
| 22:52.51 | dpkg | nvi blows |
| 22:52.51 | Twisted_Emotions | Vi is hella more powerful. |
| 22:53.00 | abrotman | anyways |
| 22:53.14 | m4lu7 | "Yup, that'll do." |
| 22:53.16 | abrotman | si|vercat: afaik .. there's no list of which packages are on which CDs yet |
| 22:53.24 | Mardus | m4lu7: I haven't learned using vi at all: The recent educational experience with Linux progs was Xedit, with man xedit right at my fingertips. |
| 22:53.36 | si|vercat | abrotman: I see.. thanks anyway :P |
| 22:53.37 | Mardus | lindi-: We don't have those, we're @Home, not on campus. |
| 22:53.38 | Twisted_Emotions | xedit needs a manual? |
| 22:53.51 | ^^Superkidd2005^ | hey guys... is there a LIVE CD for debian linux.... |
| 22:53.59 | m4lu7 | Mardus, excellent. so you know xedit. it's good to have skills. |
| 22:54.12 | resiak | !livecd |
| 22:54.17 | ^^Superkidd2005^ | yeah.. |
| 22:54.18 | abrotman | ^^Superkidd2005^: no |
| 22:54.20 | ^^Superkidd2005^ | a LIVE CD.. |
| 22:54.21 | m4lu7 | OK. 2.6 installed from cd. let's see what happens. |
| 22:54.21 | lindi- | Mardus: ok, then try abiword from sarge |
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| 22:54.25 | Mardus | m4lu7: xedit the text editor, today I've read from wiki XEDIT is also something else. |
| 22:54.29 | abrotman | ^^Superkidd2005^: not even close |
| 22:54.31 | resiak | ^^Superkidd2005^: I'm sorry, I thought you meant a SHEEP. |
| 22:54.45 | resiak | lindi-: That's not going to happen. |
| 22:54.48 | m4lu7 | well, that's a definite improvement. no Oops |
| 22:54.48 | Mardus | lindi-: AbiWord from Sarge in Woody? |
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| 22:54.49 | ^^Superkidd2005^ | what's an XEDIT... |
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| 22:54.53 | dli_ | Mardus, on an old machine, latex is only time reasonable to me, does it run lyx well? |
| 22:54.53 | narg | Go join #knoppix Superkidd |
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| 22:55.02 | abrotman | !tell ^^Superkidd2005^ about capslock |
| 22:55.02 | lindi- | Mardus: yeah, you can install sarge to a chroot |
| 22:55.05 | narg | thats your debian live cd. |
| 22:55.07 | C17H21NO5 | I have a multihomed box, bot dhcp addresses. How can I make one of them not update resolve.conf and the default gateway? |
| 22:55.07 | m4lu7 | Mmmmmmm. 3.2ghz of P4 power. |
| 22:55.08 | resiak | Mardus: Is there not an AbiWord backport on backports.org or apt-get.org ? |
| 22:55.15 | m4lu7 | this laptop is going to suck this battery dry :) |
| 22:55.32 | Twisted_Emotions | ^^Superkidd2005^: Xedit is a l33t hacking tool. |
| 22:55.37 | abrotman | ^^Superkidd2005^: maybve you should ask #ubuntu since you're already there |
| 22:55.44 | Mardus | dli_: It probably would, but I'm a beginner with Linux anyway. Just my first months since March or so. |
| 22:55.57 | m4lu7 | going from dual p3 450 to the gigahertz age is going to be fun |
| 22:56.15 | ^^Superkidd2005^ | im just looking for the best LINUX i can install in my computer... |
| 22:56.19 | Mardus | resiak: backports.org doesn't have it; I checked from apt-get.org and I'll see at it again to see if there's something for woody. |
| 22:56.20 | abrotman | i think i'd rather have my dual 500 box back |
| 22:56.20 | resiak | !best |
| 22:56.20 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 22:56.22 | ^^Superkidd2005^ | im just a newbie here... |
| 22:56.27 | abrotman | ^^Superkidd2005^: lay off the damn caps |
| 22:56.30 | resiak | ^^Superkidd2005^: So why do you want a LiveCD if you're going to install it? |
| 22:56.33 | slava__ | bash beginer :) what's an or operator in bash? if [ -z $1 or -z $2 ] ... |
| 22:56.36 | dli_ | Mardus, try lyx, it generates professional papers for n00b |
| 22:56.43 | abrotman | slava__: #bash ? |
| 22:56.43 | resiak | Mardus: Damn. |
| 22:56.51 | Superkidd | it's ok now... |
| 22:56.53 | m4lu7 | abrotman, i just ordered 2 1ghz cpus for my box, but their website lied. they said "in stock", i find out 2 days later, "nope, sorry, we don't havem'" |
| 22:56.58 | Mardus | resiak: apt-get.org has stuff for sarge, mostly. |
| 22:57.03 | Superkidd | i said i just like to try.... |
| 22:57.04 | m4lu7 | took a week of fighting to get my money back |
| 22:57.05 | resiak | Mardus: Oh, right. |
| 22:57.06 | abrotman | m4lu6: i hope not for the same motherboard |
| 22:57.10 | Twisted_Emotions | Superkidd: Try try windows.. it's a good system for you. |
| 22:57.11 | Mardus | resiak: At least in the AbiWord department. |
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| 22:57.21 | slava__ | bash ? |
| 22:57.22 | resiak | Mardus: *shrug* Sorry. I guess you should build from source, but ... |
| 22:57.30 | m4lu7 | abrotman, yeah, my same old Supermicro p6dbu |
| 22:57.32 | abrotman | slava__: #bash |
| 22:57.32 | Superkidd | im running a WINDOWS XP SP2 |
| 22:57.35 | m4lu7 | 1ghz is all it'll withstand |
| 22:57.36 | abrotman | as in .. /j #bash |
| 22:57.45 | Mardus | resiak: I haven't knowingly built anything from source yet. |
| 22:57.46 | m4lu7 | 100mhz fsb, to boot. |
| 22:57.46 | theocrite | Hi |
| 22:57.46 | abrotman | Superkidd: stop with the god damned CAPS! |
| 22:57.46 | Superkidd | but they say LINUX is great... and plenty of flavors too... |
| 22:57.49 | jasoncohen | how is debian's support for LVM and XFS partitions? |
| 22:57.51 | theocrite | Is there a way to access to a PC with ssh without having an open port. |
| 22:57.51 | theocrite | I would like so ssh a friend of mine, but there is no way to open the port 22 on his routeur. |
| 22:57.51 | theocrite | Is there a way he ssh me to give me an acces or create an ssh tinnel or something else ? |
| 22:57.54 | m4lu7 | but hey, this box has served me well. |
| 22:57.56 | abrotman | m4lu6: i don't think it will take those even |
| 22:57.58 | resiak | !tell theocrite -about enter |
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| 22:58.05 | m4lu7 | abrotman, it will. manual says so. |
| 22:58.05 | bobbyd | any ideas why my box doesn't shut down when i call 'sudo shutdown now' ? I just get dumped to a prompt for the root password... |
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| 22:58.10 | abrotman | m4lu6: erm .. ok |
| 22:58.11 | Twisted_Emotions | Superkidd: I run a debian... it's just dandy. |
| 22:58.22 | abrotman | m4lu6: isn't 1Ghz only socket ? |
| 22:58.25 | Superkidd | is debian good??? |
| 22:58.31 | Mardus | resiak: Ah well, thanks for advice. |
| 22:58.37 | abrotman | !tell Superkidd about why debian |
| 22:58.41 | Twisted_Emotions | Superkidd: Yeah try grape flavor linux.. it's the best.. |
| 22:58.41 | m4lu7 | it's the fun intel daughtercard. |
| 22:58.45 | resiak | !tell Mardus -about simple sid backport |
| 22:58.46 | m4lu7 | slot-1 or whatever |
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| 22:58.49 | liable_ | Superkidd: there isnt a live cd for debian, try the others, maybe install em, try debian, not a problem :) |
| 22:58.50 | resiak | Mardus: But "simple" is not really true :) |
| 22:58.52 | abrotman | m4lu6: eww |
| 22:58.59 | Cyanophytes | Can anyone here help me with an error that I get with a usb device? |
| 22:59.04 | Superkidd | ok... |
| 22:59.06 | abrotman | m4lu6: they dont' make 1Ghz in slot1 .. do they ? |
| 22:59.07 | theocrite | Thanks resiak |
| 22:59.08 | Superkidd | thanks liable |
| 22:59.09 | m4lu7 | hey, don't knock it, my box works these past 8 years! |
| 22:59.19 | narg | Cyanm whats the error? |
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| 22:59.25 | m4lu7 | abrotman, i think the fastest they made was a 1.13 or something like that, some screwy number |
| 22:59.31 | theocrite | Does anyone have a clue ? How can I proceed ? |
| 22:59.32 | m4lu7 | that was supposed to be a 1.3 |
| 22:59.43 | theocrite | In what way should I search ? |
| 22:59.43 | Cyanophytes | narg: will paste in #flood |
| 22:59.47 | m4lu7 | it's all in wiki, anyway, read it if you wish. |
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| 22:59.55 | nn | What's a good way to build -all- the packages in my local debian mirror for the current arch? I'm wanting to just debmirror sources and automaticly build my packages to match |
| 22:59.57 | Mardus | resiak: It's all new to me anyway. |
| 23:00.03 | abrotman | nn: why ? |
| 23:00.22 | m4lu7 | hrmm. here's someting i've never faced before: does linux 2.6 support (drumroll please, and forget about the crap i've been readin gabout "security issues"), hyperthreading? |
| 23:00.38 | m4lu7 | and is it going to make my erections last longer, or should i just forget about it? |
| 23:00.40 | bobbyd | !tell bobbyd about why debian |
| 23:00.44 | resiak | theocrite: Set up his sshd to listen on (say) port 2222, then get him to SSH to you with -L 2222:localhost:2222. Then while that's still open you can probably ssh -p 2222 localhost and get to him. |
| 23:00.51 | jasoncohen | theocrite, he can ssh to your machine and remote forward his port 22 to some port on your box, say 23 |
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| 23:01.08 | m4lu7 | i mean, i'll throw -j2 at it anyway, to watch the cpu catch fire... -j4 means nothing to me. |
| 23:01.16 | jasoncohen | and then you would ssh to localhost on port 23 |
| 23:01.19 | PerfDave | m4lu7: 2.4 supports hyperthreading also, IIRC. Any SMP capable kernel-image should to it. |
| 23:01.21 | j_k | bobbyd: you can /msg dpkg why debian |
| 23:01.24 | nn | abrotman: so that i dont have to mirror binary packages too |
| 23:01.27 | muntz | what should I be calling my mouse in XF86Config in a Sarge 2.6.8 crate? |
| 23:01.35 | muntz | it's a usb mouse |
| 23:01.36 | PerfDave | !devinputmice |
| 23:01.36 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
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| 23:01.38 | m4lu7 | PerfDave, but is it going to do anything for me? |
| 23:01.44 | abrotman | nn: you don't have to .. you download them like everyone else |
| 23:01.44 | resiak | theocrite: As bobbyd says. You don't need to make sshd listen on 2222. |
| 23:01.49 | PerfDave | m4lu7: It should do. |
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| 23:02.03 | m4lu7 | ugh. i guess i should go find out some details on lcd screen so X doesn't fry it. |
| 23:02.12 | muntz | it duzzint. fails to initialize core pointer |
| 23:02.13 | nn | abrotman: i'd rather have a local mirror on the campus and just build packages on our distributed farm :) |
| 23:02.18 | muntz | suxorz |
| 23:02.19 | jasoncohen | theocrite, tell your friend to do ssh -R 23:localhost:22 yourip |
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| 23:02.29 | abrotman | nn: use apt-proxy |
| 23:02.36 | abrotman | nn: it will cache for multiple clients |
| 23:02.39 | PerfDave | !/dev/input/mice |
| 23:02.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, /dev/input/mice is mkdir /dev/input; mknod /dev/input/mice c 13 63 |
| 23:02.40 | jasoncohen | theocrite, and then you would connect to him at ssh -p 23 localhost |
| 23:02.40 | abrotman | !apt-proxy |
| 23:02.40 | dpkg | i heard apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. Watch out for the upcoming 1.3.0 version which supports http backends too |
| 23:02.41 | rob_lt | Is there a utility to send a text message to the terminal of another user? For example, suppose I ssh into a friends machine, and he has a terminal open... I would like to be able to give him instructions that are output on his terminal. |
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| 23:02.47 | nn | abrotman: I'd rather not. I'd rather just build the packages. |
| 23:02.48 | resiak | rob_lt: man write |
| 23:02.53 | abrotman | rob_lt: like write ? .. ? |
| 23:02.54 | PerfDave | rob_lt: Yes. write, talk, etc. |
| 23:02.55 | rob_lt | resiak: thanks... that was fast :) |
| 23:02.58 | abrotman | nn: this is not gentoo |
| 23:03.02 | nn | I already mirror the source, patches, and dsc's |
| 23:03.04 | nn | abrotman: No shit. |
| 23:03.06 | rob_lt | abrotman: PerfDave: thanks also. |
| 23:03.11 | j_k | uh, /dev/input/mice on a 2.4 kernel ? |
| 23:03.17 | resiak | j_k: Yes. |
| 23:03.19 | abrotman | nn: so use binaries like a sane person |
| 23:03.24 | nn | abrotman: but there's gotta be a way to build an entire collection of pa ckages from the sources |
| 23:03.41 | resiak | nn: apt-cache show apt-build , but why on earth would you want to? |
| 23:03.41 | nn | abrotman: that really doesn't help with what we need :) |
| 23:03.55 | senda | hikenboot, how can I extract the audio from a video un real .rm format? I tried with mplayer but didn't work. |
| 23:03.58 | m4lu7 | OOO! sweet. i get to do my first Windows Refund ever. |
| 23:03.58 | Madkiss | m4lu7: wassab? |
| 23:04.00 | abrotman | nn: there is .. but it's not worth your time .. just use apt-proxy to cache the packages ... then you only download them once .. and since you're at a Uni .. they won't give a shit even if you use all the bandwidth |
| 23:04.00 | j_k | cat: /dev/input/mice: No such device, has the X server some magic? |
| 23:04.02 | theocrite | Thanks jasoncohen and resiak :) I didn't understand everything. I will try this and I may annoy you again if I fail :) |
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| 23:04.11 | stouset | j_k: Do you have a module loaded for your mouse? |
| 23:04.17 | m4lu7 | Madkiss, sorry, i hit tab prematurely. i was talking to Mardus |
| 23:04.20 | jasoncohen | theocrite, sorry, you would do ssh -R 23:localhost:22 friendsip and he would he would do ssh -p 23 yourip |
| 23:04.21 | stew | dpkg: apt-proxy =~ s/Watch out.*// |
| 23:04.21 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'Watch out.*', stew |
| 23:04.22 | nn | resiak: compiling a locally optimized set of package for all of our students and faculty :) |
| 23:04.28 | resiak | nn: "optimized"? |
| 23:04.51 | abrotman | i'ts not freaking gentoo |
| 23:04.51 | jasoncohen | theocrite, /msg me if you have problems. i've done stuff like this before with complex VNC tunneling (3 layers of tunnels) |
| 23:04.55 | Superkidd | hey guys... how many COMPLETE CD of DEBIAN LINUX has??? |
| 23:04.55 | stew | dpkg: apt-proxy =~ s/Watch out for the upcoming 1.3.0 version which supports http backends too// |
| 23:04.55 | nn | abrotman: No shit :) |
| 23:05.01 | abrotman | nn: so stop acting like it is |
| 23:05.02 | resiak | nn: Do you honestly think that building anything other than the kernel, X and libc6 for your architecture will make a blind bit of difference? |
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| 23:05.05 | nn | but we've got nothing below pentium 2's |
| 23:05.06 | resiak | !d-i Superkidd |
| 23:05.08 | stew | i killed it |
| 23:05.12 | Mardus | m4lu7: Yea, and I missed what you said. |
| 23:05.14 | abrotman | nn: neither do i |
| 23:05.14 | resiak | Superkidd: Stop with the caps. |
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| 23:05.18 | jasoncohen | so, anyone use an XFS LVM partition here? |
| 23:05.19 | abrotman | nn: i still use binaries |
| 23:05.20 | resiak | !d-i Superkidd |
| 23:05.23 | dpkg | Superkidd, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:05.39 | resiak | superkidd: Not in your name, in WHAT YOU SAY. |
| 23:05.41 | superkidd | !d-i |
| 23:05.42 | dpkg | it has been said that d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 23:05.48 | nn | resiak: in this case, by allowing customizing what's compiled into specific packages, etc we can get a more optimal set of packages for the machines, but apt-build i check out |
| 23:05.59 | K_Dallas | Evening guys! A quick question: After the official release of Sarge, would I need to reinstall it or my working sarge could absorb the updates easily? Thanks |
| 23:06.02 | resiak | nn: Care to give me an example? |
| 23:06.03 | abrotman | for fuck's sake .. what an idiot |
| 23:06.06 | abrotman | !tell nn about apt-build |
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| 23:06.18 | abrotman | nn: enjoy ... |
| 23:06.20 | PerfDave | K_Dallas: You shouldn't need to reinstall, no. |
| 23:06.22 | nn | abrotman: i'm already checking it out. |
| 23:06.24 | K_Dallas | you pretty angry abrotman :) |
| 23:06.34 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.34 | K_Dallas | PerfDave thanks |
| 23:06.40 | abrotman | K_Dallas: because nn is being a fucking idiot .. and if he were at my uni .. i'd fire his ass |
| 23:06.51 | K_Dallas | lol, i understand |
| 23:06.58 | abrotman | i'm so sad .. |
| 23:07.07 | K_Dallas | alas i cannot scroll up and see the whole story ;) |
| 23:07.08 | abrotman | someone doesn't like me .. whatever will i do :) |
| 23:07.09 | Mardus | resiak, m4lu7: In fact I did find abiword for woody through apt-get. What puzzles me is that it has a 2.0.1 version and not something later in the 2.0.x area. Is it from Sarge? |
| 23:07.12 | nn | resiak: there's a lot of different cases where small changes to package configuration are beneficial |
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| 23:07.25 | resiak | nn: Can you give me an example? I'm interested. |
| 23:07.31 | liable_ | !ignore abrotman |
| 23:07.35 | liable_ | :) |
| 23:07.35 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:07.45 | Mardus | dpkg is female?! |
| 23:07.47 | K_Dallas | ;) |
| 23:07.49 | abrotman | i'm an asshole-e-o |
| 23:07.52 | superkidd | HEY... WHAT'S THE SARGE??? |
| 23:07.57 | resiak | Mardus: 2.2.7 is in Sarge. I guess they didn't build a newer version yet. |
| 23:07.59 | abrotman | superkidd: STOP WITH THE CAPS! |
| 23:08.02 | resiak | superkidd: STOP SHOUTING! |
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| 23:08.05 | resiak | !tell superkidd -about sarge |
| 23:08.07 | Mardus | resiak: mhm |
| 23:08.13 | nn | resiak: configuration of the x packages, kernel package, apache, etc |
| 23:08.14 | liable_ | superkidd: please stop using the caps |
| 23:08.22 | superkidd | ok... |
| 23:08.24 | nn | very specific needs for just a few packages, the rest are all stock |
| 23:08.29 | abrotman | resiak: see .. the fucktard has gentooitis |
| 23:08.30 | superkidd | and why i wont use caps.. |
| 23:08.41 | Mardus | superkidd: Because most people here are grownups. |
| 23:08.41 | resiak | nn: I already mentioned that it does make a diffence for the kernel, libc6 and X. |
| 23:08.42 | liable_ | because it annoying |
| 23:08.50 | resiak | abrotman: ... |
| 23:08.53 | nn | resiak: Not just compiler flags :) |
| 23:09.07 | abrotman | resiak: so use libc6-686? |
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| 23:09.14 | resiak | abrotman: Ssh! :) |
| 23:09.14 | nn | resiak: I really don't care about gcc optimization, it's more compile-time configuration optimization |
| 23:09.19 | abrotman | and kernel-image-2.6-686 ? |
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| 23:09.37 | abrotman | and he didn't even mention trying to compile kde ... |
| 23:09.38 | resiak | abrotman: Ssh! :) |
| 23:09.40 | abrotman | obviously a n00b |
| 23:09.41 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:09.53 | coll | how do i format a swap partition? |
| 23:10.01 | resiak | coll: mkswap |
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| 23:10.10 | K_Dallas | Is there som intro about the sound systems used in sarge (and sid). I just know that in the past year or two most distros have adopted a new one and that the first time i used it in suse it was buggy. I need to know which is which and how to maintain them and not to mess them up. thanks |
| 23:10.14 | K_Dallas | some* |
| 23:10.25 | abrotman | K_Dallas: you mean alsa ? |
| 23:10.28 | j_k | K_Dallas: http://www.alsa-project.org/ |
| 23:10.30 | K_Dallas | yeah |
| 23:10.39 | abrotman | resiak: so basically .. he has no good reason |
| 23:10.39 | K_Dallas | what was before alsa? |
| 23:10.42 | abrotman | !tell K_Dallas about alsa |
| 23:10.43 | resiak | abrotman: Thanks for the libc6-i686 reminder, actually. :) |
| 23:10.45 | abrotman | K_Dallas: OSS |
| 23:10.45 | resiak | !tell K_Dallas -about oss |
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| 23:10.57 | nn | I do see why a lot of people avoid #debian. |
| 23:11.03 | abrotman | i thought i was on ignore? :) |
| 23:11.04 | superkidd | do i really need to download this 14 image cd... |
| 23:11.08 | K_Dallas | thanks guys! now in sarge, are all packages using alsa? |
| 23:11.12 | abrotman | superkidd: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 23:11.13 | liable_ | superkidd: no |
| 23:11.19 | resiak | K_Dallas: If you want. |
| 23:11.21 | liable_ | !d-i superkidd |
| 23:11.22 | dpkg | superkidd, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:11.23 | abrotman | K_Dallas: you have to specify .. use what you want |
| 23:11.29 | superkidd | !d-1 |
| 23:11.32 | nn | resiak: thanks for being helpful :) |
| 23:11.34 | K_Dallas | i see |
| 23:11.35 | superkidd | !d-i |
| 23:11.35 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 23:11.44 | resiak | nn: My pleasure. I wasn't being helpful. |
| 23:11.46 | yonkel-lappy | DAMN |
| 23:11.52 | resiak | yonkel-lappy: Not again :) |
| 23:11.56 | K_Dallas | so as far as i stick with alsa on each and every package i install, i should be safe, right? |
| 23:11.57 | resiak | yonkel-lappy: Oh, not the kernel this time :) |
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| 23:12.00 | yonkel-lappy | it smelled soo good |
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| 23:12.19 | j_k | K_Dallas: to be precise, ALSA provides a compatibility layer for applications which still support OSS only. |
| 23:12.26 | dcf | hi! anyone knows how to move the contents of a layer in GIMP? |
| 23:12.38 | abrotman | dcf: irc.gnome.org .. #gimp .. i think |
| 23:12.42 | K_Dallas | well i am not sure if it works on all of them but it might |
| 23:13.05 | superkidd | abrotman: your using a debian right? |
| 23:13.12 | Mardus | superkidd: I don't know what's exactly in that address they are referring, but the safest bet is to go to an official download place to download just one debian iso, burn in on a CD and then install it. The link everyone refers you to very likely has lots of useful information. |
| 23:13.15 | m4lu7 | abrotman uses windows XP. |
| 23:13.16 | superkidd | how many cd's do you have for that debian... |
| 23:13.20 | superkidd | really... |
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| 23:13.29 | resiak | superkidd: You just use the netinst image. |
| 23:13.31 | resiak | !tell superkidd -about netinst |
| 23:13.36 | resiak | !tell superkidd -about d-i |
| 23:13.38 | abrotman | only geeks use debian |
| 23:13.46 | m4lu7 | and i carry it around "just in case" |
| 23:13.48 | abrotman | superkidd: i used 105MB image |
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| 23:13.54 | afaict | vlc is the only player that I can play and stream the output to file and network?!? |
| 23:13.54 | liable_ | superkidd: stop being annoying and go to debian.org and read, please |
| 23:13.54 | K_Dallas | btw, under XP i can run diff applications and each has access to sound system so i am sort of polyphonic on XP. Under Sarge, on several occasions the 2nd application did not have access to the sound! is it me or that is the general design? |
| 23:13.56 | m4lu7 | like, oh, today. i needed it. i used it. |
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| 23:14.00 | madclicker | ahoy |
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| 23:14.12 | resiak | !tell K_Dallas -about dmix |
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| 23:14.26 | abrotman | resiak: mid-week sunday ? |
| 23:14.27 | Mardus | K_Dallas: Some apps let you set preferences on which sound system to use. |
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| 23:14.46 | resiak | abrotman: Yes. :-) |
| 23:14.57 | abrotman | resiak: it's bad! |
| 23:15.03 | resiak | abrotman: Yes. :-) |
| 23:15.09 | resiak | !bite abrotman |
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| 23:15.24 | superkidd | abrotman: you only download 1 cd and that's ok? |
| 23:15.29 | resiak | !tell superkidd -about d-i |
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| 23:15.38 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 23:15.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 23:15.43 | liable_ | for the fifth fucking time |
| 23:15.44 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 23:15.44 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
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| 23:15.52 | superkidd | !tell -about d-i |
| 23:15.54 | abrotman | heh .. dialup install |
| 23:15.54 | madclicker | i am having problems with copy/paste in console mode. When I use the right mouse button to copy @ the promt i get a whole bunch of characters. Why is that? |
| 23:16.02 | abrotman | superkidd: what is your native language ? |
| 23:16.19 | resiak | madclicker: Use the right button to copy .. eh? |
| 23:16.20 | superkidd | im a person from the philippines... |
| 23:16.30 | abrotman | uhm |
| 23:16.30 | m4lu7 | anybody here done a "windows refund"? |
| 23:16.34 | resiak | superkidd: What language do you speak? |
| 23:16.41 | madclicker | resiak: sorry, ...left button |
| 23:16.51 | K_Dallas | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ for the latest netinstall CD (sarge) |
| 23:16.58 | resiak | madclicker: Or you could be left-handed :) I have no clue. |
| 23:16.59 | superkidd | ofcourse... philippine language... but i can speak english... |
| 23:17.23 | liable_ | m4lu7: read a very interesting article about it once, wasnt easy |
| 23:17.26 | EmeraldCat | What would be the power consumption of a computer with 1 floppy drive, 1 video card, 64 MB ram, and 2 NICs (no hard drive, no kybrd, no mouse), as compared to a "full-blown" computer? Minimal? |
| 23:17.29 | madclicker | it works fine in X but not in FB |
| 23:17.33 | abrotman | m4lu6: there's a site about it |
| 23:17.33 | resiak | abrotman: Already looking :) |
| 23:17.39 | Mardus | superkidd: You download one CD image, burn it, then install that on a free hard drive and that mostly gets you on the net, if you are knowledgable enough... The base cd has most of the important apps with it and with your installation you can then download more. |
| 23:17.40 | superkidd | abrotman: is 1 cd is enough for debian? |
| 23:17.41 | resiak | !es |
| 23:17.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:17.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:17.52 | m4lu7 | abrotman, yeah, i'm googling for it. |
| 23:17.58 | abrotman | as long as you have broadband :) |
| 23:18.10 | beardy | EmeraldCat: it would be less, for further accuracy, buy a effectmeter(?) or calculate it. |
| 23:18.10 | superkidd | really... |
| 23:18.14 | resiak | superkidd: Yes, really. |
| 23:18.23 | abrotman | resiak: i'm a liar .. how 'bout you ? |
| 23:18.24 | superkidd | does a 1cd do all job.. |
| 23:18.32 | abrotman | !ig |
| 23:18.32 | dpkg | from memory, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 23:18.34 | Mardus | superkidd: You install that on a hard drive that I didn't mean to be free as in gratis, but free from cricital data. |
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| 23:18.44 | resiak | superkidd: Why would we have been telling you this over and over for the last 20 minutes? |
| 23:18.52 | superkidd | nothing... |
| 23:18.56 | abrotman | superkidd: you might be better off trying ubuntu live CD first .. just to make sure you like linux |
| 23:19.01 | resiak | superkidd: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ |
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| 23:19.15 | superkidd | i already tell you that im just a newbie.... |
| 23:19.24 | abrotman | superkidd: ask in #ubuntu for them to point you towards the liveCD |
| 23:19.25 | liable | hah |
| 23:19.31 | resiak | superkidd: You also don't seem to listen to our answers. :-) |
| 23:19.32 | EmeraldCat | How much power do PCI NICs consume on average? (When there isn't heavy network traffic.) |
| 23:19.32 | K_Dallas | superkidd: you are making it harder and harder for yourself to get further help here, not that i am of any help but just noticing the situation |
| 23:19.37 | superkidd | and i believe theres nothing wrong about it... |
| 23:19.41 | Mardus | superkidd: Then get ubuntu or Knoppix if you're a newbie. |
| 23:19.48 | michal__ | I noticed there's a http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xen/xen_2.0.5-3/ but there doesn't SEM to be an installable package for it. |
| 23:19.56 | michal__ | s/SEM/SEEM |
| 23:20.19 | abrotman | that's not even free |
| 23:20.19 | resiak | superkidd: You can install Debian with just one CD. Go to http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ and download the ISO from there. All this assumes that you have a broadband connection to the internet. |
| 23:20.36 | K_Dallas | abrotman: i know but maybe he has to pay to think that is important |
| 23:20.37 | resiak | jon787: Sorry. |
| 23:20.38 | Mardus | jbm: LOL |
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| 23:20.44 | beardy | EmeraldCat: google, or look at datasheets from the manufacturer of your nics |
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| 23:21.10 | superkidd | ok guys... |
| 23:21.21 | superkidd | thanks for your big help... |
| 23:21.30 | superkidd | i thought... |
| 23:21.30 | michal__ | anyone have any idea why there is a changelog but no package? |
| 23:21.30 | zcram | np |
| 23:21.41 | Mardus | superkidd: You have to help yourself first, then we can help you too. |
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| 23:21.53 | resiak | superkidd: You can install Debian with just one CD. Go to http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ and download the ISO from there. All this assumes that you have a broadband connection to the internet. |
| 23:22.01 | senda | hikenboot, what can I use to extract a real audio G2 track from a file, then convert that to ogg or mp3? |
| 23:22.13 | budluva | when right clicking on an mp3, it doesnt automatically open with xmms, with m3u's do, how do i edit my file types to make mp3s open with xmms? |
| 23:22.19 | chealer | michal__: you don't see a package there? : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=xen |
| 23:22.21 | resiak | budluva: Depends on your program. |
| 23:22.36 | senda | hikenboot, sorry, I type "hi" and my program filled the rest of your nick. |
| 23:22.39 | budluva | resiak, well i use xmms |
| 23:22.47 | resiak | budluva: I meant filebrowser. |
| 23:23.02 | beardy | budluva: It depends on the desktop environment, or the graphical file manager you are using. |
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| 23:23.12 | budluva | nautilus 2.8.2 |
| 23:23.25 | michal__ | chealer: ahh.. i wasn't searching experimental.. don't even know how to add it to my sources :/ (and yes I know it's "bad" but I need to do some testing of this package and i'd use -t experimental when installing) |
| 23:23.51 | EmeraldCat | Does it make any kind of difference connection-to-the-internet speed-wise, to run a floppy firewall as opposed to a full-featured Linux OS running a background firewall? |
| 23:24.05 | Mardus | I wish Phated was here. She'd tell superkidd what to do, assuming both speak the same native language. |
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| 23:24.10 | chealer | michal__: it also says it's in sid |
| 23:24.19 | resiak | budluva: right-click, properties, Open With ? |
| 23:24.34 | michal__ | chealer: it's not in sid though :/ |
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| 23:24.44 | K_Dallas | FileManager: TotalCommander is a Windows one which installs pretty darn good under Linux (wine) and is still way better than most of its cloones for linux and anything else out there! I think there are not real interests to write a nice filemanager for linux otherwise it would have been out there by now! |
| 23:24.44 | michal__ | chealer: 2.0.5 ? |
| 23:24.47 | j_k | EmeraldCat: I don't think so. |
| 23:25.03 | chealer | michal__: not 2.0.5, an 1.something |
| 23:25.20 | michal__ | chealer: yeah. i'm after the 2.0.x branch |
| 23:25.22 | chealer | michal__: I even see 1.2 in my synaptic |
| 23:25.25 | Mardus | K_Dallas: Is TotalCommander free software or is it freewar and can it be used in a business environment? |
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| 23:25.30 | Mardus | * freeware |
| 23:25.35 | chealer | michal__: so, experimental indeed |
| 23:25.36 | budluva | resiak, lol sorry |
| 23:25.36 | abrotman | K_Dallas: xfe |
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| 23:25.53 | budluva | resiak, should have looked into it more, i thought it was something wrong with xmms as i think i have done that before |
| 23:26.03 | K_Dallas | Mardus: it is shareware but not time limit or else, it only asks you to click on 1 or 2 or 3 eahc time you run it |
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| 23:26.10 | budluva | resiak, thanks anywho |
| 23:26.15 | K_Dallas | abrotman: xfe? never heard of |
| 23:26.19 | michal__ | chealer: i couldn't find any place that shows what the experimental apt sources.list line is. any ideas? I tried guessing it too but that didn't pan out |
| 23:26.37 | PerfDave | !iyhtays michal__ |
| 23:26.38 | dpkg | michal__: If You Have To Ask, You Shouldn't. |
| 23:26.42 | Mardus | K_Dallas: Ah, I can't consider it. I've read some things about Midnight Commander, which looks like Norton Commander. I've read that it was developed by some Russian guy. |
| 23:26.43 | K_Dallas | abrotman i have tried mc and a few others but nothing exceptional |
| 23:26.48 | beardy | K_Dallas: What is wrong with mc? |
| 23:26.55 | abrotman | K_Dallas: xfe |
| 23:27.10 | madclicker | how do i configure "kernel-patch-debianlogo" to work? |
| 23:27.18 | michal__ | PerfDave: that's a load of crap.. it's undocumented so I have to ask |
| 23:27.18 | flash_muppet | how do I get my brother 1430 laser printer working with debian? |
| 23:27.19 | K_Dallas | i am just too good with totalcommander, do not have that productivity on other commander likes |
| 23:27.41 | K_Dallas | midnight commander is not user friendly, imho |
| 23:27.43 | PerfDave | michal__: No, if you understand how Debian packaging and repositories work, it should be obvious. It's undocumented to stop people trashing their systems. |
| 23:28.03 | K_Dallas | there is also gnome commander which is better than mc but not even close to tc |
| 23:28.09 | abrotman | K_Dallas: xfe |
| 23:28.09 | beardy | K_Dallas: ehm, what is "produced" when using a file manager? |
| 23:28.33 | K_Dallas | beardy :) i do my sryff faster so get more time to produce else where ;) |
| 23:28.34 | michal__ | PerfDave: why should i need to understand how that works in order to use an experimental package of xen? (which works fine.. just ins't completed yet) |
| 23:28.35 | Mardus | flash_muppet: Check http://www.linuxprinting.org . They have a list of printers that are compat. |
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| 23:28.49 | flash_muppet | Mardus: thanks |
| 23:28.52 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 23:28.58 | K_Dallas | abrotman: i will give xfe a try in a while, right now time to throw some hoops :) |
| 23:28.59 | abrotman | grendal_prime: eat ? |
| 23:29.01 | PerfDave | michal__: Because it's called "experimental" for a reason. |
| 23:29.04 | abrotman | K_Dallas: xfe |
| 23:29.18 | grendal_prime | i cannot find this information |
| 23:29.30 | michal__ | PerfDave: it's the packages in experimental that are dangerous.. not the packaging system reading the experimental repository |
| 23:29.48 | PerfDave | michal__: Exactly. So you don't install them if you don't know what you're doing. |
| 23:29.54 | grendal_prime | i need to pass basic auth information to the basic auth dialog box from a form |
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| 23:30.03 | madclicker | how do i get the "penguin" logo to display when booting in framebuffer mode? |
| 23:30.04 | michal__ | PerfDave: not like it can install experimental packages without me explicitly askingg it to use experimental |
| 23:30.22 | michal__ | PerfDave: even if I have it in my sources.list |
| 23:30.36 | PerfDave | michal__: Blahblahblah |
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| 23:31.04 | michal__ | PerfDave: you're acting like a fool. let's end it on that note |
| 23:31.35 | Mardus | flash_muppet: http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=Brother lists that your 1430 printer should work well. |
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| 23:32.28 | jasoncohen | is it safe to use the 2.6.11 kernel with sarge? |
| 23:32.34 | Mardus | flash_muppet: click on the hl-1430 link there on the page to look for user comments. |
| 23:32.35 | PerfDave | michal__: *shrug* I'm not the one who can't work out how to use experimental ;) |
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| 23:33.17 | beardy | madclicker: it should be displayed by default when using the framebuffer, if you are compiling a kernel yourself, you have to configure it. |
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| 23:33.32 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: I'm having to run Sid's 2.6.11 kernel-image on Sarge on one of my boxen for the improved aacraid support. |
| 23:33.41 | michal__ | not my fault the path requires a gay ../ in it :/ |
| 23:33.51 | PerfDave | !gay |
| 23:33.51 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 23:34.23 | colter | I'd like to forward connections to a certain port to host specified by hostname, not IP (since the IP might change through DHCP). DNAT's --to-destination only allows IPs; any ideas what I could do? |
| 23:34.50 | Guerin | dpkg, gay =~ / to some// |
| 23:35.09 | Guerin | dpkg, gay =~ s/ to some// |
| 23:35.09 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 23:35.18 | michal__ | so you're saying the ../ is not queer then? |
| 23:35.22 | madclicker | beardy: stock debian sarge kernel, i didnt touch it |
| 23:35.46 | Mardus | michal__: What part of ../ do you see as gay/queer/puff? |
| 23:35.58 | resiak | michal__: Stop being a pillock. |
| 23:36.03 | michal__ | what has puff got to do with it? |
| 23:36.07 | kelan | maybe the first .? |
| 23:36.26 | PerfDave | Well, it is two full stops next to each other, that's obviously suspicious. |
| 23:36.27 | chealer | jasoncohen: I do it apparently without problems |
| 23:36.29 | michal__ | queer: adjective 1. strange; odd |
| 23:36.32 | Mardus | michal__: puff = gay/queer in English. |
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| 23:36.52 | resiak | PerfDave: .. is isomorphic to all kinds of homofagit things! |
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| 23:37.19 | PerfDave | resiak: OMG BURN TEH HOMOFAGZ0RZ! |
| 23:37.36 | michal__ | wasn' long ago that we had adds for a resort that said "Go Gay.. Go Tangalooma" |
| 23:37.39 | michal__ | ads |
| 23:37.55 | resiak | *plonk*! |
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| 23:38.24 | tabris|away | michal__: what about gotahoe.com |
| 23:38.45 | Mardus | michal__: I could ask you that in such a fashion: What's Australian for 'homosexual'? |
| 23:38.56 | chealer | jasoncohen: only problem I had is a ton of Error: Removing.... ???device??? at start of boot that don't seem to cause any real problem |
| 23:39.11 | jason__ | sorry, i got disconnected. is anyone here running 2.6.11 on sarge? |
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| 23:39.26 | michal__ | mardus: well depends. i guess we spell the american versions a bit differently.. poof rather than puff |
| 23:39.28 | chealer | (19:36:51) chealer: jasoncohen: I do it apparently without problems |
| 23:39.57 | jason__ | thanks chealer |
| 23:39.59 | Mardus | michal__: Ah well, since English is not my native language, it sounded like 'puff' to me. |
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| 23:40.09 | michal__ | homosexuals use all the "derogatory" terms much like black people do.. whhere thhey can call each other "nigger" without fear of being "racist" |
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| 23:40.32 | jason__ | hmm, ntpdate runs before my atheros card is started. how do i manually sync the clock? |
| 23:40.32 | Mardus | michal__: Sure, but what did you find gay in ../ ? |
| 23:40.46 | jbm | do stock kernels come with framebuffer support on? |
| 23:40.46 | jetscreamer | there is no gay |
| 23:40.54 | jad | hi, is this the debain channel? as in linux dist? |
| 23:40.55 | jason__ | ntpdate just shows the current date and says " no servers can be used, exiting" |
| 23:40.56 | abrotman | !gay |
| 23:40.56 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 23:40.59 | michal__ | according to who? catholics? |
| 23:41.00 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 23:41.01 | joel_ | framebuffer is gay |
| 23:41.04 | PerfDave | jad: No, it's the Debian channel :) |
| 23:41.08 | chealer | !debain |
| 23:41.09 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 23:41.09 | Mardus | michal__: You. |
| 23:41.12 | jetscreamer | michal__: good point |
| 23:41.22 | Mardus | abrotman: I know about !gay |
| 23:41.26 | abrotman | good |
| 23:41.32 | jad | sorry, Debian. Just off topic stuff going on here. |
| 23:41.33 | jbm | joel_ no you are |
| 23:41.37 | abrotman | stop using derogatory terms |
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| 23:41.40 | jetscreamer | all lies |
| 23:41.45 | joel_ | jbm: sometimes, yea |
| 23:41.46 | abrotman | unless you want to use fucktard .. that's ok :) |
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| 23:41.56 | m4lu7 | GAH. i chose /dev/input/mice as i always do for mouse, but shite. i have only this lousy touchpad. x won't start. ugh. |
| 23:42.06 | resiak | m4lu7: modprobe mousedev |
| 23:42.08 | jad | umm, anyone know how to install irb using apt-get? |
| 23:42.08 | jetscreamer | !fuck touchpad |
| 23:42.09 | m4lu7 | grrr. i hate touchpads. |
| 23:42.13 | m4lu7 | i want my touchpoint back! |
| 23:42.15 | PerfDave | m4lu7: synaptic driver? |
| 23:42.20 | abrotman | it is sooo sunday |
| 23:42.34 | PerfDave | m4lu7: xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 23:42.42 | jetscreamer | sunday seems to be everyday in debian, lately |
| 23:42.52 | resiak | !permasunday |
| 23:42.52 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 23:42.55 | jad | how can I look up what packages are called? |
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| 23:42.59 | Azar | m4lu7 on modconf you get the chance to pick the touchpad |
| 23:43.00 | PerfDave | jad: apt-get install irb |
| 23:43.05 | PerfDave | !faq jad |
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| 23:43.06 | dpkg | jad: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:43.07 | jad | that didn't work. |
| 23:43.15 | PerfDave | !doesn't work |
| 23:43.15 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 23:43.31 | m4lu7 | Azar, i never got the choice for that, it seems. |
| 23:43.32 | jad | dpkg: thanks. |
| 23:43.32 | dpkg | jad: bitte |
| 23:43.42 | resiak | m4lu7: Did you try modprobe mousedev ? |
| 23:43.53 | m4lu7 | gah. |
| 23:43.53 | myren | i'm trying to find an old email i sent through mutt. i dont think mutt saves the emails i send though... :/ |
| 23:44.00 | m4lu7 | resiak, yeah, x started, but mouse no movie |
| 23:44.05 | Azar | m4lu7 I only seen that choice after I upgraded to Sarge and lifted to kernel 2.6.8 |
| 23:44.06 | resiak | m4lu7: Buggration. |
| 23:44.08 | PerfDave | myren: mutt saves outgoing mail if you ask it to. |
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| 23:44.22 | m4lu7 | resiak, say "wha"? |
| 23:44.31 | m4lu7 | as in, wtf is buggration? haha |
| 23:44.32 | chealer | !listkeys sunday |
| 23:44.34 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sunday' by key (8): perma-sunday ;; announce permasunday ;; eternal sunday ;; sing sunday ;; announce sunday ;; permasunday ;; sunday ;; sing permasunday. |
| 23:44.38 | myren | PerfDave: yeah, ok. :/ |
| 23:44.47 | chealer | yep, already more sunday factoids than days in a week |
| 23:44.50 | Scarylion | good old Anal Justic |
| 23:44.55 | Scarylion | Justice even |
| 23:45.09 | Azar | m4lu7 did you got the XF86Config-4 ? |
| 23:45.27 | C17H21NO5 | I have a multihomed box, bot dhcp addresses. How can I make one of them not update resolve.conf and the default gateway? |
| 23:45.28 | m4lu7 | did i got the XF86Config-4... yeah, i do believe i have one, yes. |
| 23:45.38 | resiak | chealer: Most are synonymous. |
| 23:45.40 | m4lu7 | is there something i should do with it, sir? |
| 23:45.46 | C17H21NO5 | s/bot/both |
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| 23:46.05 | myren | does postfix save mail anywhere? |
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| 23:46.15 | Azar | m4lu7, XF86Config-4 contains screen, video, mouse and keyboard configuration |
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| 23:46.19 | myren | it should, if the mail doesnt get sent, it needs to resend right? |
| 23:46.26 | m4lu7 | Azar, it certainly does. |
| 23:46.27 | chealer | resiak: hey, this is statistics! :-P |
| 23:46.38 | j_k | myren: it queues mail until it's delivered |
| 23:47.09 | myren | oh well, gone to the ether i guess. |
| 23:47.16 | Azar | m4lu7 maybe you have the module for mouse setup but not the configuration for touchpad |
| 23:47.27 | m4lu7 | eh?? |
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| 23:48.30 | jbm | m4lu7: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and when asked about your mouse pick like /dev/input/mice or something |
| 23:48.40 | m4lu7 | jbm: already picked that. |
| 23:48.43 | m4lu7 | (as always) |
| 23:48.45 | abrotman | /dev/psaux |
| 23:48.50 | abrotman | !synaptic |
| 23:48.50 | dpkg | synaptic is probably the Conectiva APT front-end, uses the WINGS toolkit for the GUI, see http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/ , or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/workstation/synaptic.png |
| 23:48.53 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 23:48.53 | dpkg | it has been said that synaptics is http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download, or for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 23:48.55 | abrotman | that one! |
| 23:49.13 | m4lu7 | hmm. would pc110pad kernel module make a difference, i wonde.r |
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| 23:50.19 | liable | m4lu7: my touchpad seems to work, with /dev/psaux and ps2 protocol |
| 23:51.14 | m4lu7 | liable, i was just choosing that, psaux, in reconfigure ;) |
| 23:51.51 | Azar | m4lu7 if you set up your x to /dev/input/mice it should read from your touchpad as well |
| 23:52.17 | exobyte | I need to do some backup stuff. I have a hard drive and its backup on the same system. I considered rsync, but I'd like to do error checking- if the dates are the same but checksums differ, something nasty happened and email an admin |
| 23:52.19 | m4lu7 | Azar, but alas, it has not. |
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| 23:53.36 | abrotman | hojax: what's wrong with swatikiss ? |
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| 23:53.43 | Azar | m4lu7: try then |
| 23:53.45 | Azar | # touchpad |
| 23:53.45 | Azar | device=/dev/misc/psaux |
| 23:54.22 | hojax | abrotman what you mean? |
| 23:55.03 | abrotman | oh .. ok |
| 23:55.06 | abrotman | i think |
| 23:55.26 | hojax | abrotman , this is nick is just on another box.... |
| 23:55.40 | m4lu7 | Azar, dude. i just don't get you, man. |
| 23:55.41 | Azar | m4lu7 what if you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 then pay attention to see if you can setup a touchpad there? |
| 23:55.42 | abrotman | si senor |
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| 23:55.49 | m4lu7 | {sigh} |
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| 23:56.02 | liable | m4lu7: have you hand edited XF86Config-4 by hand? |
| 23:56.10 | abrotman | that's bad! |
| 23:56.21 | jbm | m4lu7 are you on a laptop then? |
| 23:56.23 | liable | what? |
| 23:56.29 | m4lu7 | jbm, aye. |
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| 23:56.50 | jbm | m4lu7 I seem to recall touchpad can be deactivated in bios... is this possible still off? |
| 23:57.03 | pj | sup peeps' |
| 23:57.13 | pj | whats the word |
| 23:57.16 | m4lu7 | jbm: i've not seen this, but it's possible. |
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| 23:57.23 | m4lu7 | i was in there earlier to shut off hyperthreading |
| 23:57.29 | m4lu7 | i'll look again soon. |
| 23:57.34 | m4lu7 | GAH i hate touchpads. |
| 23:57.41 | liable | m4lu7: have you previously hand edited XFConfig? because drxx wont work if you have |
| 23:57.49 | pj | have you guys heard of the new pc's |
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| 23:58.05 | jbm | m4lu7 ya i seen them settings on a dell i used for work once... other than that i cant think of anything |
| 23:58.15 | swatikiss | i cant seem to start firefox |
| 23:58.15 | m4lu7 | this is a toshitty |
| 23:58.16 | Azar | m4lu7 if you have modified XF86Config-4 by hand, open up the file - "less XF86Config-4" and read the instruction in the top of the file. |
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| 23:58.24 | m4lu7 | ugh. |
| 23:58.28 | pj | ugh |
| 23:58.32 | m4lu7 | enough, enough already. |
| 23:58.32 | Guerin | swatikiss: why not? |
| 23:58.37 | pj | what the fuck |
| 23:58.39 | pj | lol |
| 23:58.43 | swatikiss | Guerin, i have no idea :P |
| 23:58.45 | pj | you guys full of shit |
| 23:58.45 | m4lu7 | i've been configuring X on boxes for 10 years. i'll work it out, for god's sakes. |
| 23:58.53 | Guerin | swatikiss: better get one. |
| 23:58.58 | m4lu7 | the console is all i bloody need for now anyway. |
| 23:58.59 | interalia | hmm... with an infobot, anyone know how to remove just one definition of a factoid? (ie. X is Y, X is also Z, and I want to remove definition Z for X) |
| 23:59.01 | pj | how many of you have gotten pussy |
| 23:59.17 | swatikiss | Guerin, well, it might have to do with ownership.... |
| 23:59.24 | Azar | m4lu7 that is a wow, did you ever modified XF86Config on a Debian box? |
| 23:59.27 | pj | not too many i see |
| 23:59.29 | Guerin | pj: just begging for a ba, ain'tcha |
| 23:59.31 | m4lu7 | pj: my gf's got the red stuff, so not in the last 2 days. |
| 23:59.32 | cafuego | pj: Howso, would that make one a troll? |
| 23:59.35 | Guerin | a ban, too |
| 23:59.44 | swatikiss | i think i tried to fix some extension things... and i foolishly did something i shouldnt have i thinkg |
| 23:59.46 | m4lu7 | Azar, man, bite my asscheek if you don't mind. |
