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| 00:00.01 | jbm | lol |
| 00:00.03 | pj | fucking white people |
| 00:00.10 | Guerin | man, no love in #debian this am |
| 00:00.11 | Azar | m4lu7, sorry for asking, I did not know you were a guru |
| 00:00.13 | MrKeuner | hi, I am having a strange problem. I cannot use speeds other than 4 with my dvd burner (pioneer dvr-109) with a spesific media(maxell RFD80M-71210) which says 48x on the packaging. What can be the problem? media or cdrecord settings? |
| 00:00.16 | cafuego | pj: racist fuck |
| 00:00.20 | m4lu7 | haha |
| 00:00.22 | swatikiss | Guerin, I did this "chown -R swatikiss:swatikiss /home/swatikiss/.mozilla" |
| 00:00.25 | pj | fucking white people lol |
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| 00:00.31 | cafuego | pj: racist fuck lol |
| 00:00.33 | m4lu7 | pJ: honkey and proud of it ;) |
| 00:00.42 | Guerin | !ops pj is a fucktard of the first echelon |
| 00:00.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: pj is a fucktard of the first echelon |
| 00:00.44 | m4lu7 | hn'key jew, to boot! |
| 00:00.45 | pj | go and fix ur comp bitch |
| 00:00.49 | m4lu7 | hahaha |
| 00:01.02 | shingouz | And some blacks tell "black" is racist.... Go away pj |
| 00:01.16 | helix | pj: please stop |
| 00:01.18 | pj | k later white trash |
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| 00:01.26 | pj | pinches putos malcojidos |
| 00:01.29 | helix | yawn |
| 00:01.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 00:01.33 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@66-214-114-88.vv-cres.charterpipeline.net] by helix |
| 00:01.33 | *** part/#debian pj (~pj@66-214-114-88.vv-cres.charterpipeline.net) |
| 00:01.33 | m4lu7 | fart |
| 00:01.34 | resiak | !eternal sunday of the spotty channel |
| 00:01.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 00:01.36 | Azar | it is so funny I do not seem to see this character pj |
| 00:01.37 | cafuego | pj: hablas dildomania usted? |
| 00:01.42 | m4lu7 | oh. |
| 00:01.42 | Guerin | helix: :) |
| 00:01.55 | m4lu7 | ok. focus, m4, focus. |
| 00:02.02 | cafuego | Azar: yeah, normally my auto-ignore catches them... |
| 00:02.04 | helix | could you guys stop exacerbating the situatio? |
| 00:02.08 | m4lu7 | can't get to theater to laugh at people by 10 if i don't focus! |
| 00:02.09 | helix | how many times do I need to tell you |
| 00:02.13 | swatikiss | Guerin, what did that do - and how can i undo it :)? |
| 00:02.26 | Azar | oh well I am missing the "fun" |
| 00:02.31 | Guerin | swatikiss: the chown -R? if you didn't know what it did, why'd you use it? |
| 00:02.32 | helix | m4lu7: why are you focusing on m4? |
| 00:02.42 | m4lu7 | focusing on my 4th beer right now, actually |
| 00:02.48 | m4lu7 | having some attention span problems. |
| 00:02.52 | swatikiss | Guerin, i dunno :(..... |
| 00:03.07 | Guerin | swatikiss: info coreutils chown |
| 00:03.36 | Guerin | swatikiss: run firefox from a shell, see where it stops. Typically, the best way to unbreak it is to delete your .mozilla/firefox dir |
| 00:04.16 | swatikiss | Guerin, there is no output from "firefox" on the console from my user acct or root... |
| 00:05.57 | madclicker | is there a firefox 1.0.4 deb available? |
| 00:06.20 | swatikiss | madclicker, in unstable |
| 00:06.30 | madclicker | thx |
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| 00:07.02 | chealer | madclicker: use p.d.o to find yourself |
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| 00:10.09 | madclicker | swatikiss: where do i find the unstable packages? |
| 00:10.35 | madclicker | its not in the pool directory |
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| 00:10.43 | swatikiss | madclicker, add an unstable source in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:11.37 | madclicker | swatikiss: roger |
| 00:17.46 | resiak | !tell swatikiss -about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 00:17.47 | swatikiss | yes :) |
| 00:17.47 | Azar | I am running the highest kernel (2.6.8 -k7) that Sarge has to offer, I am starting working on my nvidia installation , reading the manual what this requirement means? " apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 " ? |
| 00:17.47 | Guerin | !nvidia one liner |
| 00:17.47 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. see <non-free sources> |
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| 00:17.48 | Azar | Guerin I am just working with one of those manuals... |
| 00:18.53 | chealer | Azar: which manual are you reading? |
| 00:18.53 | Azar | the sorensen's one |
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| 00:18.53 | Guerin | that's the one-liner which is supposed to do it all autoratically. Just copy and paste. |
| 00:18.53 | chealer | why don't you use andrew's? |
| 00:18.53 | Azar | http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 00:18.53 | Azar | chealer, I am too dense for andrew's |
| 00:18.53 | m4lu7 | interesting. modprobe -r psmouse, then modprobe psmouse did the trick on the mouse. |
| 00:18.54 | Azar | sorensen seems more patient with newbies like me |
| 00:18.54 | m4lu7 | oy. |
| 00:18.54 | Guerin | are you too dense to opy and paste? |
| 00:18.54 | m4lu7 | stupid modules. |
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| 00:18.54 | chealer | Azar: you have no predisposition for installing those drivers, do you? |
| 00:18.54 | Guerin | m4lu7: that's weird. |
| 00:18.54 | m4lu7 | now, to find out the bloody modelines for 1200x800 ;) |
| 00:18.54 | m4lu7 | EWWWW. i hate touchpads! |
| 00:18.54 | Azar | chealer I am sorry, I did not understand your question? |
| 00:22.06 | chealer | Azar: no problem...take your time installing :) |
| 00:22.06 | hojax | m4lu7 it could be worse - i have one of those little nipples on my laptop :P |
| 00:22.06 | chealer | it seems to me you're trying to install those drivers since a month |
| 00:22.06 | m4lu7 | hojax, i WANT that little nipple. touchpoints rule. |
| 00:22.07 | Azar | chealer I was messing badly with the nvidia installer in the past, I reinstalled Debian and am trying all the steps the right way this time |
| 00:22.07 | hojax | um, i dunno, its kinda weird :P |
| 00:22.07 | m4lu7 | my tecras since the 550 have had em', i want it back! |
| 00:22.07 | chealer | Azar: great |
| 00:22.07 | m4lu7 | anyhow. modelines for 1200x800. i must find them! |
| 00:22.07 | m4lu7 | oy. getting drunk, i are. |
| 00:22.07 | Guerin | m4lu7: my tecra 8000 kicks all sorts of arse, despite being 8 years old |
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| 00:22.07 | exobyte | I need to do some backup stuff. I have a hard drive and its backup on the same system. I considered rsync, but I'd like to do error checking- if the dates are the same but checksums differ, something nasty happened and email an admin |
| 00:22.07 | Azar | chealer would you know what this command actually does, I doubt it upgrades the kernel: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 00:22.07 | Guerin | exobyte: probably easiest to write a bash script using tar and md5 |
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| 00:22.07 | m4lu7 | Guerin, yeah, i have to turn in my 8100 friday, i'm quitting this bullshite job, they want their gear back. |
| 00:22.08 | exobyte | Guerin: heh, maybe |
| 00:22.08 | Guerin | that makes incremental backups tricky, though |
| 00:22.08 | m4lu7 | Sprint wants its toshitty, and ibm wants its stinkpad |
| 00:22.08 | chealer | Azar: that package is a metapackage, so it installs the package it depends on |
| 00:22.08 | m4lu7 | fine, lettem have the shite, i don't care |
| 00:22.08 | Guerin | m4lu7: bastards |
| 00:22.08 | Azar | chealer, thanks |
| 00:22.08 | m4lu7 | hey, i'm keeping my 2x22" NEC's |
| 00:22.08 | m4lu7 | (which they don't know about) |
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| 00:22.08 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:22.08 | codecaine | hey all |
| 00:22.08 | m4lu7 | anyhow. FOCUS, damnit. |
| 00:22.08 | codecaine | quick question, how do i change my default gcc compiler with env variable? |
| 00:22.08 | m4lu7 | modelines, modelines |
| 00:22.09 | beardy | exobyte: How are you going to store the backups, cd, dvd, harddrive, tape? |
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| 00:22.09 | michal__ | anyone here use the mrtg package with rrdtool graphing? I'm having some trouble setting it up |
| 00:22.09 | j_k | codecaine: you mean export CC=gcc-x.y ? |
| 00:22.09 | stew | codecaine: or possibly update-alternatives --config cc |
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| 00:22.09 | codecaine | yes i believe so, thanks |
| 00:22.09 | codecaine | when i compile an app using make i wanna use gcc3 not gcc4 |
| 00:22.10 | m4lu7 | eww. that sucks. you know how many people are using X on an A75 when google returns 5 whopping results for "XF86Config +A75 +horizSync" |
| 00:22.10 | codecaine | trying to compile latest ati driver |
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| 00:22.10 | m4lu7 | i hate ati as much as i hate touchpads. |
| 00:22.11 | resiak | !tell codecaine -about ati |
| 00:22.11 | Guerin | m4lu7: hwinfo --monitor |
| 00:22.11 | m4lu7 | i really wanted nvidia,but office depot guy gave me $200 off the price, + the $250 rebates. |
| 00:22.11 | m4lu7 | Guerin, yah. working that now, actually :) |
| 00:22.11 | codecaine | i get /libfglrx_ip.a.GCC4: file exists when it don't |
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| 00:34.05 | m4lu7 | 'cept i can't really read anymore |
| 00:34.05 | m4lu7 | i need to lay off the booze for a while |
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| 00:34.05 | m4lu7 | at least this toshitty has the function key where it belongs: out of the way. This iBM stinkpad has it where the control key belongs. ugh |
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| 00:34.05 | m4lu7 | i'll be remapping it anway, i suppose. |
| 00:34.05 | haryz | hi all |
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| 00:34.05 | Azar | hmm strange, why it will install me nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-386 when my kernel is 2.6.8 ? |
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| 00:34.05 | garung | hey people |
| 00:34.06 | garung | question |
| 00:34.06 | garung | why i can't remove this file |
| 00:34.06 | garung | # rm -f xvnkb.so.0.2.8a |
| 00:34.06 | garung | rm: cannot remove `xvnkb.so.0.2.8a': Operation not permitted |
| 00:34.06 | garung | i'm as root |
| 00:34.06 | resiak | Azar: That guide is wrong, then. |
| 00:34.06 | resiak | !tell Azar -about nvidia howto |
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| 00:34.06 | michal__ | what would the debian equivalent of use lib qw(/usr/local/mrtg-2/lib/mrtg2); be? |
| 00:34.06 | resiak | !tell garung -about enter |
| 00:34.06 | Azar | "recommended packages": kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 ? anyone can help with a suggestion |
| 00:34.06 | Azar | resiak I am on the sorensen manual |
| 00:34.06 | garung | resiak, what do you mean enter? |
| 00:34.06 | Guerin | garung: you were told yesterday about chattr |
| 00:34.06 | michal__ | use MRTG; ? |
| 00:34.06 | resiak | !tell garung -about enter |
| 00:34.06 | resiak | garung: Read what the bot tells you. |
| 00:34.06 | Guerin | m4lu7: bloody americans, cannae hold their grog |
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| 00:34.06 | resiak | Azar: You're running Woody? |
| 00:34.06 | garung | oh |
| 00:34.07 | garung | i need to rename it? |
| 00:34.07 | garung | rename the file? |
| 00:34.07 | Azar | resiak I am on Sarge |
| 00:34.07 | michal__ | mrtg just keeps giving me |
| 00:34.07 | michal__ | Script Error |
| 00:34.07 | michal__ | Illegal characters in cfg param: ./ |
| 00:34.07 | resiak | Azar: Just use the first guide in that factoid, it's _right_. |
| 00:34.07 | resiak | !tell michal__ -about paste |
| 00:34.07 | Azar | if the sorensen link howto is wrong, then remove it from dpkg recommendations |
| 00:34.07 | resiak | Azar: It's right FOR WOODY. |
| 00:34.07 | resiak | Azar: "or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody" |
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| 00:34.07 | Azar | resiak , on apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common I get the wrong kernel |
| 00:34.08 | resiak | Azar: Just use the one-linerl. |
| 00:34.08 | m4lu7 | OK. now i've got my 1280x800. very good. |
| 00:34.08 | foxiness | can i highlight syntax on termianl like on vim ? idea |
| 00:34.08 | Azar | ok aborting installation for now |
| 00:34.08 | m4lu7 | now, to eat some dinner, nap, and go beat up startwars geeks |
| 00:34.08 | Azar | it will take me more months until I get the nvidia the Debian way |
| 00:34.08 | foxiness | m4lu7, great to hear |
| 00:34.08 | michal__ | i think there needs to be a debian specific mrtg howto :/ |
| 00:34.08 | Azar | foxiness did you tried vimtutor? |
| 00:34.08 | resiak | Azar: Try the one-liner |
| 00:34.08 | foxiness | Azar, :) |
| 00:34.08 | m4lu7 | Azar, it should only take you as long as typing: apt-get nvidia-kernel-whatever |
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| 00:34.09 | m4lu7 | and glx |
| 00:34.09 | resiak | Azar: _It_ _works_. |
| 00:34.09 | Azar | resiak what is one liner? |
| 00:34.09 | m4lu7 | a joke, of course. |
| 00:34.09 | resiak | !tell Azar -about nvidia one-liner |
| 00:34.09 | resiak | Azar: Guerin piointed it out about a page up. |
| 00:34.09 | poonj | hey guys...I have gnome-applets installed...but I can find the weather applet...where can I find it? what is the program name calleD? |
| 00:34.09 | j_k | foxiness: :syntax on |
| 00:34.09 | facough | how do you get xmms to actually play a cd? |
| 00:34.09 | Guerin | poonj: apt-cache search weather |
| 00:34.10 | Azar | hey thanks! I will try that |
| 00:34.10 | poonj | guerin: its installed under gnome-applet |
| 00:34.10 | foxiness | j_k, not on vim on terminal |
| 00:34.10 | poonj | I have it installed... |
| 00:34.10 | Guerin | poonj: dpkg -L gnome-applet |grep bin |
| 00:34.10 | j_k | foxiness: ah, well look for a code pretty-printer to pipe your code through. A terminal can't and shouldn't highlight syntax by itself. |
| 00:34.10 | m4lu7 | ooh. sh*t. i've got to get this atheros wifi going. DAMN. arhg. |
| 00:34.10 | m4lu7 | ugh. |
| 00:34.10 | poonj | okay thanks |
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| 00:34.10 | m4lu7 | please please please tell me it's a standard driver. |
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| 00:34.11 | michal__ | anyone know if anything ever came of this? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/02/msg01304.html |
| 00:34.11 | foxiness | j_k, where can i find this pretty-printer ? |
| 00:34.11 | masoft | how can I found module names ? for example where can I see snd-seq-midi ? |
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| 00:34.11 | Guerin | `masmodconf |
| 00:34.11 | Guerin | masoft: modconf |
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| 00:34.11 | michal__ | bah... i think the answer is yes.. the problem is generating an index/images for mrtg |
| 00:34.11 | masoft | Guerin, where is that ? |
| 00:34.11 | j_k | foxiness: i don't know that. |
| 00:34.12 | j_k | foxiness: i don't know if one exist, to say the truth :-) |
| 00:34.32 | m4lu7 | damnit. must get external drivers for atheros. grr. |
| 00:34.40 | foxiness | j_k, k thanks a lot :) i hope that exist coz i like it |
| 00:35.10 | j_k | masoft: kernel modules are in /lib/modules/your-kernel-version. lsmod lists the modules currently loaded. |
| 00:35.43 | Guerin | masoft: in the package of the same name, perhaps? |
| 00:36.00 | michal__ | it seems like there's documentation missing in the mrtg package :/ |
| 00:36.09 | swatikiss | i can run firefox from my wife's acct but not mine or roots... |
| 00:36.20 | swatikiss | why might this be ? |
| 00:36.43 | portahex | error messages? |
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| 00:36.49 | Guerin | swatikiss: did you delete the fucking .mozilla/firefox dir like I told you? |
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| 00:36.51 | m4lu7 | BAM. wifi. good. |
| 00:36.57 | madclicker | how do i prevent .jar files from being displayed in firefox? |
| 00:37.07 | masoft | I want run some programs like gdesklet after gnome start, automatically. how can I do that ? |
| 00:37.18 | Guerin | !gnome |
| 00:37.18 | dpkg | gnome is, like, a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager, or a barely-usable pile of dung |
| 00:37.18 | swatikiss | Guerin, I must have missed you saying that... |
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| 00:37.59 | sime_ | how can i blacklist module 'ipv6' to not load on boot |
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| 00:38.04 | Guerin | !blacklist |
| 00:38.05 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 00:38.28 | portahex | write a script in ~/Desktop/Autostart, for things to do when gnome (or xfce4) start |
| 00:39.22 | sime_ | Guerin, thanks didn't know about the discover.conf part |
| 00:39.32 | michal__ | how is it that mrtg-rrd is part of mrtg but is missing the mrtg-rrd.cgi script? |
| 00:39.32 | swatikiss | Guerin, should i just delete the firefox dir... or the whole mozilla dir ? |
| 00:39.50 | Guerin | swatikiss: if it's only firefox giving you trouble, just delete firefox |
| 00:39.55 | Guerin | or move it aside |
| 00:40.08 | swatikiss | Guerin, k, i did that but i still cant start it :( |
| 00:40.18 | Guerin | ok, try the whole dir |
| 00:40.37 | swatikiss | ok |
| 00:40.45 | FieldySnuts | the mozilla gang is notoriously bad at giving useful info on STDOUT |
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| 00:40.51 | Guerin | fuck yeah |
| 00:40.51 | goodshit | What is the best way to do this. I need to convert mbox mail to maildir and keep all the UW setting. Any tools out there that will do that and keep all the UW setting. Have anyone done this before>? Please let me know if you know of anything. thank you so much!!! |
| 00:41.01 | FieldySnuts | have to fuckin strace just to get a clue |
| 00:41.05 | Guerin | what the fuck are UW settings? |
| 00:41.06 | FieldySnuts | @lart strace |
| 00:41.38 | swatikiss | Guerin, um, its still not working :( |
| 00:41.48 | Guerin | and stracing firefox is a fucking nightmare - so much output |
| 00:41.55 | Guerin | swatikiss: strace firefox |less |
| 00:42.03 | Guerin | swatikiss: have fun with that |
| 00:42.06 | swatikiss | wow |
| 00:42.09 | bbrazil | add a 2>&1 to that |
| 00:42.13 | Guerin | oh yeah |
| 00:42.15 | Guerin | good idea |
| 00:42.21 | madclicker | i am trying to install themes on 1.0.4 under debian, but the theme files are being displayed rather than installed. How would i fix it? |
| 00:42.28 | FieldySnuts | "themes"? |
| 00:42.33 | Guerin | firefox themes |
| 00:42.37 | FieldySnuts | oh |
| 00:42.38 | madclicker | yeap |
| 00:42.44 | masoft | I want play my midi files with kmid ! but it says "could not open /dev/sequencer". I can play mid files with timidity but I need to run with kmid. what can I do ? |
| 00:42.50 | Guerin | madclicker: #firefox irc.mozilla.org |
| 00:42.51 | FieldySnuts | dunno, i don't much care what it looks like |
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| 00:43.02 | swatikiss | Guerin, strace firefox |less 2>&1 ? |
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| 00:43.16 | Guerin | swatikiss: strace firefox 2>&1 | less |
| 00:43.18 | swatikiss | Guerin, lot of output! |
| 00:43.18 | madclicker | Guerin: very quite there |
| 00:43.27 | Guerin | !piav |
| 00:43.27 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 00:43.42 | swatikiss | Guerin, what am i looking for ? |
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| 00:43.48 | Pumpkin_Pie | I run 'cat * > echo.txt' but the contents of all the files at put on one line in echo.txt... how would I make it so that each file's content is put on a new line in the echo.txt? |
| 00:44.07 | Guerin | swatikiss: what happens just before the end of the output? There migth be some usable soft of error message. |
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| 00:45.16 | bbrazil | Pumpkin_Pie: try grep '' * > echo.txt (untested) |
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| 00:45.53 | Thanatermesis | any person have tested initng in debian? I have a compilation error :S |
| 00:46.05 | swatikiss | Guerin, man, thats a mess :P - says stuff about read(4, 0xbfffefa0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 00:46.06 | Pumpkin_Pie | bbrzail: works! |
| 00:46.11 | Guerin | Pumpkin_Pie: for file in *; do cat $file >> echo.txt; done # also untested |
| 00:46.12 | a_monkey | does "apt-get -b source [package]" install the package after building it? |
| 00:46.58 | Guerin | swatikiss: strace interpretation is not an exact science |
| 00:47.14 | a_monkey | oh, wait, no |
| 00:47.17 | bbrazil | swatikiss: find the most recent open that returns 4 |
| 00:47.27 | a_monkey | it puts the .debs in my home dir |
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| 00:47.40 | swatikiss | bbrazil, im not sure if i understand |
| 00:47.40 | a_monkey | btw, how do i install a .deb from my filesystem? |
| 00:47.53 | madclicker | how do i put my name behind the message field in irc? |
| 00:48.02 | m4lu7 | a_monkey, dpkg -i |
| 00:48.07 | Guerin | a_monkey: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 00:48.13 | bbrazil | swatikiss: look back from that line for someting like open("filename") = 4 |
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| 00:50.58 | swatikiss | bbrazil, open("/home/swatikiss/.Xauthority", O_RDONLY) = 4 |
| 00:51.26 | michal__ | I'm having to do awful things with permissions and ownerships to get mrtg-rrd.cgi to work :/ |
| 00:51.41 | michal__ | is it bad to have /etc/mrtg.conf in the www-data group? |
| 00:51.52 | bbrazil | swatikiss: enjoy debugging from there, I'm going to bed |
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| 00:52.04 | swatikiss | bbrazil, sigh, ok |
| 00:52.19 | abrotman | michal__: only if you get upset about web users reading your conf file :) |
| 00:52.26 | m4lu7 | well, now that's just bloody odd. |
| 00:52.36 | m4lu7 | can't seem to get a dchp lease w/my wireless card. |
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| 00:52.46 | m4lu7 | box sees it, light's on, but damned, no dhcp. hrmm. |
| 00:53.04 | michal__ | abrotman: well ideally i just want root reading it.. but i need a cgi script to read it to so I guess I'm out of luck |
| 00:53.06 | AntisocialHero | Hey everybody I'm new to open source linux. Using Mepis kde3.3 . Using xterm shell I'm trying to `make the configure file for my kmud client. seems it keeps telling me that my directory doesnt exist... Any of you feel you could help me for a few moments? |
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| 00:53.30 | abrotman | #mepis |
| 00:53.33 | michal__ | abrotman: how about making the /var/www/mrtg directory owned by root.www-date and writable by www-data.. is that a "bad" thing ? |
| 00:53.33 | AntisocialHero | ty |
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| 00:53.42 | AntisocialHero | bah |
| 00:53.49 | abrotman | michal__: that's up to you |
| 00:53.57 | abrotman | michal__: it's just security issues .. that's all :) |
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| 00:54.50 | punsad | what's the best way to keep up with firefox updates with debian? is firefox kept up to date? |
| 00:54.58 | michal__ | abrotman: i guess what I'm asking is how bad of a security issue is that? is it the norm for people trying to get mrtg with rrd graphs working? |
| 00:55.17 | chealer | punsad: which release? |
| 00:55.19 | abrotman | michal__: dunno .. what's in the conf file ? |
| 00:55.23 | michal__ | because it has seemed very hackish.. ie no debian package of the mrtg-rrd.cgi |
| 00:55.56 | punsad | chealer: well... 1.0.04 is the most current... this became an issue when I tried installing googlebar and the website said that to access the extensions - I need to be up to date |
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| 00:56.10 | michal__ | abrotman: for now just public RO stuff for our cisco 1720 router.. but it may include RW stuff in the future.. don't know if i'll need it |
| 00:56.30 | Guerin | punsad: if you really care, use the static builds from mozilla.org |
| 00:56.40 | chealer | punsad: yeah, if you're using sarge, I couldn't find an interesting solution |
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| 00:57.18 | punsad | Guerin: I just care about being able to install the different extensions... I supppose it is a good idea for security, though... |
| 00:57.53 | oigres_ | I've downloaded a pcmcia driver for a wireless card. I've compiled the modules and when I do `modprobe mymodule` I get the error: Invalid module format. The compilation went well. Is there anything wrong? |
| 00:57.54 | m4lu7 | odd. damned odd. |
| 00:58.04 | oigres_ | !ls |
| 00:58.04 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 00:58.23 | punsad | oigres: what kind of card is it? |
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| 00:58.50 | oigres_ | punsad: it is a Trendnet and the driver is the r8180 |
| 00:58.52 | Wyzard | oigres: 2.4 module with a 2.6 kernel, maybe? |
| 00:58.52 | punsad | oigres_: did you check to see if its supported by sarge? |
| 00:59.03 | oigres_ | Wyzard: it is a 2.6 kernel. |
| 00:59.17 | Wyzard | oigres: If the module doesn't support 2.6 kernels, it won't work |
| 00:59.29 | punsad | my Cisco Aironet 350 'just worked' |
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| 01:00.02 | raf256 | if I have a program ./foo.elf - how can I run it so it will not use more then 128 MB of total ram (&swap) ? |
| 01:00.05 | oigres_ | Wyzard: the readme says it does have support for 2.6 kernels |
| 01:00.38 | oigres_ | punsad: I just downloaded the source code from sourceforge |
| 01:00.41 | Wyzard | oigres: Then that's probably not the problem, unless there's some option you have to enable to make it compile the 2.6 way |
| 01:00.55 | zinx | raf256: ulimit -d 128M or something |
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| 01:01.08 | punsad | oigres_ |
| 01:01.10 | punsad | woops |
| 01:01.16 | zinx | raf256: possibly one of the other memory limits would work better |
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| 01:01.22 | raf256 | zinx: yeap, but exacly - should I write a foo.sh that does ulimit - d 128MB && ./ ? |
| 01:01.26 | zinx | raf256: in any case.. the program will crash instead of taking more memory. |
| 01:01.28 | oigres_ | Wyzard: sure, but I have not seen anything obvious... and hacking the source code is tough :=) |
| 01:01.30 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 01:01.38 | zinx | raf256: yeah |
| 01:01.40 | joe|code | Nvidia driver assistance please. = ) |
| 01:01.54 | meppl | good night |
| 01:01.54 | m4lu7 | damn. why can't i get a lease.... |
| 01:01.59 | chealer | joe|code: error please |
| 01:02.09 | Wyzard | oigres: Well, it's more than just source-code support... the compilation steps for a 2.6 module are different from a 2.4 module |
| 01:02.21 | Wyzard | oigres: so you might need to specify some option when running make or something, I dunno |
| 01:02.23 | m4lu7 | Guerin, i'll butter you up with flattery. DHCP on eth1, my wireless card, won't get a damned lease. point out the obvious, please. |
| 01:02.39 | m4lu7 | there go the discover packets... |
| 01:02.42 | m4lu7 | and going, and going... |
| 01:02.50 | joe|code | chealer, I don't know where to find the nvidia kernel sources. They are not in my repository |
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| 01:03.07 | oigres_ | Wyzard: in the readme says that 2.6 is supported but 2.4 might not work, so it's the other way around... I guess I should forget about that network card... |
| 01:03.07 | m4lu7 | and going |
| 01:03.08 | Wyzard | m4lu6: Use tcpdump and dhcpdump on your DHCP server machine to see if it's receiving the request |
| 01:03.28 | m4lu7 | Wyzard, i'd do that if my linksys had it, but alas, it does not |
| 01:03.28 | chealer | joe|code: are you following andrew schulman's howto? |
| 01:03.50 | Guerin | m4lu7: i don't use dhcp or wireless :) |
| 01:04.01 | foxiness | did anyone here try firefox-1.04.package ? |
| 01:04.04 | m4lu7 | gah. |
| 01:04.10 | m4lu7 | you suck, dude. |
| 01:04.11 | joe|code | chealer, looking it up now. |
| 01:04.12 | m4lu7 | ;) |
| 01:04.15 | Wyzard | m4lu6: Well, actually, they're broadcast frames, so every machine on the network should receive them |
| 01:04.28 | chealer | !tell foxiness about anyone |
| 01:04.45 | chealer | !tell joe|code about nvidia-howto |
| 01:04.47 | m4lu7 | Wyzard, you do have a point, then. |
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| 01:05.41 | Azar | hmm I was googling for an answer, this is a particular curiosity of mine: anyone would happen to know why nvidia will recommend disabling the GLcore and dri modules in XF86Conf-4 ? |
| 01:06.15 | Wyzard | Azar: Because the nvidia driver provides its own GL implementation, and its own proprietary (but incompatible) equivalent to DRI |
| 01:06.52 | Azar | Wyzard, thanks :) |
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| 01:08.10 | foxiness | chealer, thank u for this "" about someone somewhere :) |
| 01:08.24 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:08.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:08.32 | abrotman | which you've been told about umpteen times |
| 01:08.33 | Azar | so now I know why me and many others are mixing up the concept of "nvidia installer guidelines" vs "nvidia the debian way" |
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| 01:08.59 | chealer | Azar: why? |
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| 01:09.21 | chealer | foxiness: receiving that factoid means you should ask your real question |
| 01:09.29 | michal__ | how can i do something as the www-data user? |
| 01:09.36 | abrotman | su |
| 01:09.40 | abrotman | su - www-data |
| 01:09.40 | foxiness | dpkg, u ur anyone "is this a compiler or human " :) |
| 01:09.43 | abrotman | if you're lucky |
| 01:09.53 | abrotman | !ur |
| 01:09.53 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 01:09.54 | Azar | chealer, because the nvidia README guide recommends that once you installed glx to disable dri and GLcore |
| 01:09.58 | m4lu7 | hmm |
| 01:10.04 | m4lu7 | i wonder if i should cycle my router. |
| 01:10.09 | m4lu7 | something odd is afoot |
| 01:10.10 | chealer | and the list goes on... :) |
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| 01:10.32 | chealer | Azar: how is that different from "nvidia the debian way"? |
| 01:10.33 | Azar | ...so I guess somewhere there the nvidia installer brings "outside" packages that mess up the debian ones... or am I wrong? |
| 01:10.33 | foxiness | abrotman, u must say superuser not su :) |
| 01:10.44 | abrotman | idiot |
| 01:11.00 | foxiness | abrotman, realy thanks |
| 01:11.09 | abrotman | really |
| 01:11.29 | foxiness | k man really |
| 01:11.32 | FieldySnuts | @lart foxiness |
| 01:11.39 | chealer | Azar: nvidia-installer doesn't bring packages, it brings non-debian files |
| 01:11.44 | foxiness | thank you |
| 01:12.02 | foxiness | ravenbird, lol |
| 01:12.03 | ravenbird | lol in no way resembles the sound that is produced while "Laughing Out Loud", so it looks very lame when you say it; use "heh" or "haha" instead or use an action ("/me laughs") 'lol' is also not punctuation. See also: loll, or peterS does interesting things if you do this and he's in the mood ;P |
| 01:12.12 | Azar | chealer so far up until today I was only installing the nvidia with its own installer, this is my first time doing it the debian way, as I long wanted |
| 01:12.39 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: blame chealer |
| 01:13.02 | Azar | chealer, is just that I am steering at the Configuring xserver-xfree86 screen with the modules wondering if this time I should disable GLcore and dri as I used to do before, or just leave them alone.. |
| 01:13.10 | foxiness | ravenbird, i like this channel :) its make me clever than other can do |
| 01:13.10 | ravenbird | foxiness: wish i knew |
| 01:13.17 | chealer | hum, who's jeff? |
| 01:13.48 | chealer | Azar: disable them |
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| 01:14.16 | Azar | chealer, thank you for the advice |
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| 01:14.49 | chealer | FieldySnuts: otherwise, I don't know why I'm being blamed |
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| 01:15.02 | chealer | of course, I'm not saying there's no reason to blame me :) |
| 01:15.02 | jetdotnet | you did it |
| 01:15.08 | abrotman | foxiness: /exec -o dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 01:15.09 | jetdotnet | guilty |
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| 01:15.53 | chealer | jetdotnet: but I didn't want to! I don't even know about what happened |
| 01:16.21 | jetdotnet | yeah... stick to it, never change your story... -_- |
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| 01:16.57 | toresbe | Apparently the new star wars movie rocks. |
| 01:16.57 | chealer | ok...before I die, I want to thank dpkg for his support |
| 01:16.59 | toresbe | oops |
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| 01:17.24 | jetdotnet | duz ne1 no whin kde 3.4 wil b packed fer sid??? kthx |
| 01:17.35 | K_Dallas | how could it rock? the first one was nothing special let alone the sequals ;) |
| 01:17.36 | abrotman | !aolify jetdotnet |
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| 01:18.25 | madclicker | anyone using firefox? |
| 01:18.28 | jetdotnet | no |
| 01:18.33 | furrywolf | sigh |
| 01:18.34 | abrotman | ew .. firefox ? |
| 01:18.37 | foxiness | no |
| 01:18.40 | abrotman | worst browser evar! |
| 01:18.50 | jetdotnet | firefox has been deprecated |
| 01:19.01 | abrotman | jetdotnet: you're using skipstone too ? :) |
| 01:19.04 | m4lu7 | ok. so i'm running dhcpdump, the dchpdump way, on a box on my lan, an di'm not seeing shite show up when i pop my laptop's wireless nic in. |
| 01:19.05 | m4lu7 | wtf. |
| 01:19.06 | foxiness | IE better than this suck browser |
| 01:19.09 | narker | are there Anjuta 2.0 unofficial deb packages alreday ??? |
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| 01:19.10 | jetdotnet | no i use aol for linux |
| 01:19.21 | abrotman | narker: apt-get.org |
| 01:20.10 | m4lu7 | however, when i pop my cat5 in, and restart networking, all kinds of output shows up. |
| 01:20.12 | m4lu7 | dead nic? |
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| 01:20.16 | Azar | the most trusted browser ever: links |
| 01:20.20 | jetdotnet | heh it's funny... my friend who i've been trying to get off of aol for years got a letter from aol saying 'we're getting out of the isp business, find somebody else or we'll pick one for you' |
| 01:20.25 | madclicker | SOS i click on install theme, and it starts to "display the code" instead of installing. |
| 01:20.27 | coywolf | what is the locale in taiwan? |
| 01:20.33 | jetdotnet | tw? |
| 01:20.35 | narker | abrotman : there aren't there |
| 01:20.43 | narker | on apt-get.org |
| 01:20.52 | coywolf | sorry, wrong chann |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | narker: well . then i have no idea |
| 01:21.04 | ballessay | links rule... |
| 01:21.26 | abrotman | madclicker: irc.mozilla.org |
| 01:21.43 | jetdotnet | !google Anjuta 2.0 deb |
| 01:21.49 | lanchow | Results for Anjuta 2.0 deb on Google: |
| 01:21.52 | lanchow | http://gnomedesktop.org/node/2250 |
| 01:21.52 | dpkg | Google says Anjuta 2.0 deb is at http://debianpl.is.wonder.pl/html/2003_04_04_debian.pl.shtml or http://mail.linux.org.mx/pipermail/ayuda/2004-March.txt or http://ftp.id.freebsd.org/CTM/ports-cur/ports-cur.5600xEmpty.gz or http://ftp.id.freebsd.org/CTM/ports-cur/ports-cur.5700xEmpty.gz or http://pluto.cdpa.nsysu.edu.tw/FreeBSD/CTM/ports-cur/ports-cur.5600xEmpty.gz |
| 01:22.03 | jetdotnet | lol@lanchow |
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| 01:22.12 | abrotman | !google pooh |
| 01:22.13 | resiak | !do Mollock |
| 01:22.17 | resiak | Mollock: Sorreh. |
| 01:22.18 | dpkg | Google says pooh is at http://disney.go.com/disneychannel/playhouse/bop/ or http://disney.go.com/disneyvideos/animatedfilms/pooh/ or http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/heffalump/main.html or http://www.pooh-corner.com/ or http://www.poohfriends.com/ |
| 01:22.20 | lanchow | Results for pooh on Google: |
| 01:22.20 | jetdotnet | gee that was fuckin difficult narker |
| 01:22.21 | lanchow | http://disney.go.com/disneyvideos/animatedfilms/<b>pooh</b>/ |
| 01:22.30 | jetdotnet | hth |
| 01:22.31 | resiak | lanchow: what are you |
| 01:22.33 | abrotman | lanchow: turn that off |
| 01:22.33 | Mollock | yop first time ! |
| 01:22.50 | resiak | lanchow: help |
| 01:23.03 | abrotman | !ping |
| 01:23.03 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:23.04 | Azar | how many time could I abuse the use of apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 01:23.10 | jetdotnet | none |
| 01:23.10 | abrotman | dude |
| 01:23.16 | jetdotnet | do it as many tiimes as you want |
| 01:23.25 | abrotman | jetdotnet: you try :) |
| 01:23.27 | ec_ | how can I change the handling of different URI's in firefox? |
| 01:23.32 | ec_ | like mailto: and irc: |
| 01:23.33 | jetdotnet | i do it every night |
| 01:23.33 | Azar | thanks |
| 01:23.37 | resiak | ec_: Why not ask the Firefox people? |
| 01:23.43 | abrotman | i know the one guy has been told to turn it off before |
| 01:23.45 | abrotman | !fr |
| 01:23.45 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 01:23.49 | jetdotnet | ec_: might be settable in about:config |
| 01:24.00 | abrotman | Azar: til it stops working :) |
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| 01:24.03 | jasoncohen | i installed debian sarge on my father's desktop and after the successful install he got error 21 trying to load grb |
| 01:24.19 | jetdotnet | just use lilo |
| 01:24.23 | jetdotnet | it doesn't bork |
| 01:24.25 | jetdotnet | much |
| 01:24.29 | abrotman | jetdotnet: not true! |
| 01:24.37 | jasoncohen | any idea what that erorr means? |
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| 01:24.52 | abrotman | jasoncohen: try the grub FAQ .. or #grub |
| 01:24.53 | jasoncohen | how do you specify lilo from the installer? |
| 01:24.55 | jetdotnet | jasoncohen: iirc the error codes are in man |
| 01:24.57 | abrotman | i've not seen that error |
| 01:25.05 | jetdotnet | jasoncohen: you use debconf priority |
| 01:25.10 | jetdotnet | or just 'do it' |
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| 01:25.34 | jetdotnet | shell out and chroot and apt-get install |
| 01:25.44 | jetdotnet | shell out right before partitioning |
| 01:25.47 | Azar | awesome, hey it was an interesting learning with nvidia today |
| 01:25.48 | chealer | jasoncohen: Selected disk does not exist This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full file name refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or not recognized by the BIOS in the system. |
| 01:25.55 | jetdotnet | if you wanna use d-i as a rescue disc |
| 01:26.24 | john | anybody use actiontec router? and know the default port for remote administration by chance? |
| 01:26.36 | jasoncohen | chealer, thanks |
| 01:26.39 | abrotman | in the documentation maybe ? |
| 01:26.56 | jetdotnet | there is no documentation |
| 01:27.19 | jasoncohen | joh_, try 8080 |
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| 01:27.28 | abrotman | john? |
| 01:27.36 | jetdotnet | johnboy! |
| 01:27.37 | jasoncohen | sorry |
| 01:27.40 | jasoncohen | try 8080 john |
| 01:27.54 | john | ty, i will |
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| 01:28.08 | resiak | !tell jetdotnet -about enter |
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| 01:28.26 | jetdotnet | i have two enter keys, if i don't use em they might stick |
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| 01:28.46 | astorpiazola | hola rene |
| 01:28.59 | a_monkey | can anyone help me with the soulmachine repo? (soulmachine.net). |
| 01:29.04 | resiak | abrotman: It really is Sunday. |
| 01:29.11 | abrotman | resiak: i noticed |
| 01:29.13 | bob2 | a_monkey: you need to be more vague |
| 01:29.19 | bob2 | a_monkey: don't tell us what you're trying to do |
| 01:29.22 | bob2 | a_monkey: or what isn't working |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | or why it belongs in #debian :) |
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| 01:29.46 | abrotman | bob2: morning :) |
| 01:29.47 | jetdotnet | probably needs a ./ |
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| 01:30.14 | astorpiazola | hey,azulema? |
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| 01:30.36 | SantaOne | Hello :) |
| 01:30.50 | jasoncohen | jetdotnet, so just type debconf priority at the initial boot screen to get the option to use lilo |
| 01:30.58 | jasoncohen | debconf priority medium? |
| 01:31.03 | a_monkey | bob2: well, when i built the "edb" source package, no libedb1-dev deb was made. just an "edb" deb |
| 01:31.08 | a_monkey | bob2: i need libedb1 |
| 01:31.11 | jetdotnet | jasoncohen: i don't know how to use it, just what you need to use |
| 01:31.20 | bob2 | I don't know of any unfucked e17 packages |
| 01:31.23 | jetdotnet | jasoncohen: it's on the d-i page, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 01:31.35 | abrotman | Gnea: i want e17! |
| 01:31.50 | abrotman | debconf/priority=medium iirc |
| 01:32.05 | a_monkey | bob2: according to http://www.soulmachine.net/debian/unstable/Sources, libedb1 is one of the binaries of the edb source |
| 01:32.17 | moonunit | when I was building e17 ( I think, unless it was e16 before ), it was sooo hard to build! |
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| 01:32.53 | foxiness | abrotman, what is this "/exec -o dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1" |
| 01:33.00 | abrotman | what does it look like ? |
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| 01:33.26 | foxiness | mmm i dont know |
| 01:33.35 | abrotman | irc command |
| 01:33.36 | ec_ | i built e17 with no problems :) |
| 01:33.39 | astorpiazola | hey,maliuta kak tebe? |
| 01:33.42 | ec_ | too lazy to mess around with it though |
| 01:33.46 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 01:34.18 | bob2 | a_monkey: read debian/control and see if it's listed |
| 01:35.24 | jetdotnet | yes it looks like an irc command |
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| 01:38.11 | Nephi | morning/evening/afternoon everyone |
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| 01:39.11 | abrotman | night! |
| 01:39.39 | Nephi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:40.02 | resiak | Nephi: If you install with bf24, Linux 2.4.x kernel. |
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| 01:41.28 | nichos | anyone know the control + key combination for ut2004 to switch focus? |
| 01:41.38 | abrotman | no ? |
| 01:41.39 | Nephi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.25 | chealer | dpkg: grub errors are at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Stage2-errors.html#Stage2%20errors |
| 01:42.25 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
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| 01:43.24 | moonunit | chealer, can anyone add to dpkg, assuming it's debian related? |
| 01:43.46 | chealer | moonunit: yes.../msg dpkg help |
| 01:43.48 | abrotman | dweezil ? |
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| 01:44.00 | moonunit | abrotman, dweezil is at home |
| 01:44.19 | jasoncohen | i'm trying with lilo now |
| 01:44.29 | jasoncohen | i booted with linux26 debconf/priority=medium |
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| 01:45.46 | Linux_Mich | huhu |
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| 01:47.58 | leikh | i have samba and w2k-clients in a workgroup. now i've added winxp-clients, and would like samba to act as pdc for these. can the old w2k-clients (not configured for domain) still map network drives after i enable samba as pdc? |
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| 01:51.12 | jasoncohen | there must be something wrong with the motherboard |
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| 01:51.32 | m4lu7 | damnit. it's not the card. |
| 01:51.34 | jasoncohen | the BIOS 1st screen doesn't show the second disk even though BIOS settings do |
| 01:51.45 | jasoncohen | and lilo as well as grub both fail |
| 01:51.57 | m4lu7 | i pulled this machine's nic out, plopped it into other laptop, still no dhcp broadcast. now, when i put it back into this box, i saw traffic |
| 01:51.59 | m4lu7 | wtf. |
| 01:52.45 | chealer | leikh: ask #samba |
| 01:53.37 | m4lu7 | so, anybody, why on a fresh debian install, kernel 2.6.8, why wouldn't i be seeing dhcp broadcast requests when i pop this nic in? |
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| 01:54.52 | rob_lt | has anyone here ever used write (bsd-write)? I'm trying to figure it out, but I keep getting "you have write permission turned off". I've check the man page, and googling for "write" is futile. |
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| 01:55.10 | factotum | if you installed the nic post installation... |
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| 01:55.42 | m4lu7 | factotum, you talking to me? |
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| 01:56.35 | exobyte | I need to do some backup stuff. I have a hard drive and its backup on the same system. I considered rsync, but I'd like to do error checking- if the dates are the same but checksums differ, something nasty happened and email an admin |
| 01:56.56 | dos000 | anyone: sometimes i hapen to cat the wrong file and evrything i ytpe is displayed as garbage. is there a way i can "clear" my terminal ... |
| 01:57.11 | ec_ | did you start a dhcp client daemon? |
| 01:57.22 | moonunit | dos000, reset does the trick |
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| 01:57.36 | m4lu7 | ec_ say wha? |
| 01:57.40 | dos000 | moonunit, thanks |
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| 01:57.46 | m4lu7 | eth0, the wired eithernet, gets a lease. |
| 01:57.50 | m4lu7 | just not the wireless nic |
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| 01:58.08 | ec_ | you will need a client program on each computer you want to recieve info from a dhcp server |
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| 01:58.33 | m4lu7 | what an ambiguous statement. |
| 01:58.58 | m4lu7 | eth0, i repeat, gets a lease, it's wired in. eth1, the wireless nic, does not even broadcast a request over the lan |
| 01:59.05 | m4lu7 | i can see this using dhcpdump |
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| 01:59.56 | xydarcher | how to find which files is in which |
| 02:00.01 | xydarcher | package |
| 02:00.16 | m4lu7 | apt-file |
| 02:00.25 | doleyb | xydarcher: dpkg -S |
| 02:00.38 | dondelelcaro | packages.debian.org, /msg dpkg find... |
| 02:00.43 | dondelelcaro | !tell xydarcher -about search |
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| 02:02.45 | hugo | what is a good linux firewall distro? preferably a distro that runs from live cd. does not have to be completely free. I would pay for a good web interface! |
| 02:03.06 | rob_lt | hugo: bsd :) |
| 02:03.15 | hugo | better? |
| 02:03.24 | kmalloc | I recommand bridge-firewall |
| 02:03.37 | bob2 | why would you use a special distribution for that? |
| 02:04.02 | kmalloc | It works under phisical layer in OSI layer. |
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| 02:04.27 | hugo | kmalloc: why bridge-firewall? what makes it special? |
| 02:04.32 | xydarcher | Thanks |
| 02:04.57 | hugo | bob2: in order to not have a harddrive that can be altered. |
| 02:05.27 | kmalloc | hugo : I've already told that before. |
| 02:05.29 | bob2 | ebtables is rather different to iptables |
| 02:05.33 | kmalloc | phisical layer |
| 02:05.35 | bob2 | I don't think it's useful for most people to bother |
| 02:05.41 | john | ec_: you there? |
| 02:05.46 | bob2 | kmalloc: no, it's not on the physical layer, it's on the ethernet layer |
| 02:05.46 | liable | m4lu7: how did you bring the iface up? |
| 02:05.48 | chealer | !your factoids |
| 02:05.48 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
| 02:06.01 | chealer | ^^hum... does that mean I could try to get factoid completion? :-P anyone done that? |
| 02:06.05 | ec_ | john- yes |
| 02:06.07 | kmalloc | OSI physical layer. |
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| 02:06.21 | bob2 | kmalloc: how on earth is that an advantage? |
| 02:06.49 | john | Where you at? :) |
| 02:06.53 | kmalloc | I mean OSI 7 level |
| 02:07.07 | arjanoosting | hi is there a way to 'subscribe' to bugs in the BTS when you are not the submitter? So I can follow the progress on a specific bug? |
| 02:07.12 | xydarcher | Is there a configed system? When i installed debian it even doesn't define some usual used alias |
| 02:07.23 | bob2 | arjanoosting: no, you can subscribe to all a packages bugs using the bts, tho |
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| 02:07.32 | jasoncohen | does the sarge netinstaller have a rescue mode to rewrite grub/lilo? |
| 02:07.36 | bob2 | xydarcher: yes, the default debian system is very minimal |
| 02:07.42 | bob2 | jasoncohen: not a simple one, but you can do it manually |
| 02:07.42 | dondelelcaro | arjanoosting: not yet, no. You can subscribe to the pts for the package though. |
| 02:07.45 | kmalloc | bob2 // It's not possible hacker's attack to bridged-firewall that's the huge advantage.!!! |
| 02:07.49 | bob2 | arjanoosting: er, PTS, not BTS. |
| 02:07.54 | bob2 | kmalloc: er, no, sorry |
| 02:08.02 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: it's ok, I mispelt pts as bts, anyway ;) |
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| 02:08.22 | shingouz | kmalloc: Anything is possible given enough time :( |
| 02:08.23 | arjanoosting | ok thanks |
| 02:08.24 | CoffeeMan | hey |
| 02:08.25 | hugo | kmalloc: this is not necesary for me, since I do use the firewall to seperate different networks, so I will be on ip layer anyway. |
| 02:08.26 | thom_ | dpkg: factoids? |
| 02:08.26 | dpkg | Give me more! Bigmouth hungry! |
| 02:08.28 | jasoncohen | bob2, yeah, i figured just run with debconf/priority=medium and choose write grub loader to disk |
| 02:08.40 | dondelelcaro | although, that is a feature that should be implemented post sarge... |
| 02:08.40 | jewel | is there any free software for viewing a map of the world? |
| 02:08.45 | dondelelcaro | jewel: xplanet |
| 02:09.14 | zxclkjqwe | jewel: gmt |
| 02:09.27 | bob2 | jasoncohen: right, or switch to a shell and do it |
| 02:09.30 | hugo | bob2: you would just setup a firewall on basis of a normal debian install? |
| 02:09.38 | bob2 | hugo: I have, yes |
| 02:09.41 | kmalloc | shingouz : what do you mean? |
| 02:09.47 | xydarcher | bob2, is there some easy way to config it? |
| 02:09.53 | zxclkjqwe | jewel: or xrmap |
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| 02:10.01 | shingouz | kmalloc: I mean that there is no such thing as a hackerproof firewall |
| 02:10.11 | kmalloc | shingouz : even root can't access on that system. |
| 02:10.14 | bob2 | kmalloc: you can obviously still hack it, you just have less to attack; ie you have to find a flaw in the kernel bridging code |
| 02:10.18 | kmalloc | by network. |
| 02:10.22 | bob2 | kmalloc: please think this through before spreading fud |
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| 02:10.29 | bob2 | xydarcher: set them up however you like |
| 02:10.32 | findme | fud ? |
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| 02:10.37 | findme | !fud |
| 02:10.37 | dpkg | well, fud is Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Originally invented by IBM, but now used by many others. or YAFA. or Fscking Useless Data or otherwise known as false information or mindless facts with no backup facts or http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7420 |
| 02:10.43 | bob2 | xydarcher: things like "alis rm='rm -i'" are not in deiban for a reason |
| 02:10.57 | hugo | I need an interface for it to make the administration easy. At least it must look like the guys I am setting it up for could mess around with it themselves. |
| 02:11.14 | hugo | It is all about the feeling of being in control. |
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| 02:11.30 | zxclkjqwe | hugo: tried hypnosis? |
| 02:12.01 | jewel | dondelelcaro, zxclkjqwe: thanks |
| 02:12.17 | thom_ | What is /dev/sequencer and why does supertux need to open it? |
| 02:12.29 | zxclkjqwe | thom_: something to do with midi sound, i think |
| 02:12.33 | hugo | zxclkjqwe: hypnosis is a package, a distro or a sales strategy? |
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| 02:12.44 | zxclkjqwe | hugo: a facetious sales strategy :) |
| 02:12.58 | bob2 | thom_: it's for midi |
| 02:13.05 | bob2 | presumably supertux does midi |
| 02:13.20 | thom_ | Can I install that driver somehow? |
| 02:13.25 | rob_lt | hugo: redwall looks promising, but I haven't used it. |
| 02:13.31 | bob2 | thom_: depends what sound card you have |
| 02:13.39 | thom_ | Its onboard sound |
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| 02:14.15 | hugo | do you guys have any suggestions concerning firewall distros? I need something professional especially in terms of interfacedesign. |
| 02:14.57 | thom_ | hugo, get a linksys router |
| 02:15.08 | thom_ | and don't port forward |
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| 02:16.02 | bob2 | hugo: so, you don't mean professional, you mean "with a UI people who don't know anything about firewalls can use" |
| 02:16.22 | rob_lt | hugo: did you look at redwall? |
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| 02:17.02 | kmalloc | hugo : looks like a program that just closing ports.. |
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| 02:17.48 | Azar | writing my notes about what I did so far since Debian Woody installation: what some would recommend: after upgrading to Sarge kernel upgrade first then xserver second , or xserver first then kernel upgrade? |
| 02:17.53 | kmalloc | hugo : I think you should pay for making program. |
| 02:18.10 | shingouz | Azar: Kernel |
| 02:18.20 | Azar | thanks shingouz :) |
| 02:18.22 | rob_lt | hugo: just go to distrowatch and look through the livecds... there are many router/firewall distros that boot from Cd. |
| 02:18.23 | hugo | bob2: something that does not scare the UI guys away and something that supports me in creating, activating and deactivating iptable sets, so I do not have to mess with the shell all the time and have some more oversite |
| 02:18.39 | hugo | rob_lt: I am on it |
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| 02:18.45 | bob2 | Azar: should'nt really matter |
| 02:18.54 | bob2 | Azar: does woody support a 2.6 kernel, anyway? |
| 02:19.09 | Azar | bob2 I had that feeling but I just wanted not do one task twice |
| 02:19.21 | bob2 | hugo: I'd just use shorewall, personally |
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| 02:19.27 | bob2 | set policy, let it generate rules for me |
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| 02:19.51 | Azar | bob2 I am writing the tasks I did since my first install which was woody: hoping up to Sarge, upgrading kernel, installing xserver then nvidia driver |
| 02:20.00 | bob2 | ah |
| 02:20.19 | hugo | did you guys ever hear about gibraltar, m0n0wall ,Sentry Firewall? |
| 02:20.22 | Azar | I am writing a cheat sheet for times when I will need to reinstall just in case |
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| 02:20.55 | shingouz | Azar: Reinstall? What is that? ;) |
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| 02:21.45 | Azar | shingouz, say I am setting up Sarge ok...then run it, after like 6 months something might happen HD dies or such..I want to be able to do everything again without spending much time with : oh I forgot how to do this or that |
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| 02:22.19 | shingouz | Azar: I am pulling your leg a bit here in canse you didnt notice ;) |
| 02:22.34 | shingouz | s/canse/case |
| 02:22.39 | Azar | shingouz oh :) my mind was floating with sentences.. |
| 02:22.45 | jasoncohen | does debian have freenx binaries/ |
| 02:22.54 | togs | apt-get remove --purge package-name is supposed to get rid of everything, isn't it? |
| 02:23.08 | Azar | um purge is dangerous sometimes |
| 02:23.31 | shingouz | togs: Yes it does |
| 02:23.42 | togs | what would be a safer way to scrap everything, Azar? |
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| 02:23.51 | ec_ | how can you get rid of the configs and such of packages you already removed? |
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| 02:24.16 | Azar | togs depends on what package you want to get rid of, it might have built roots and create dependencies on some system files |
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| 02:24.37 | togs | shingouz, i still have an apache2 directory in /etc, even after --purge it didn't scrap that |
| 02:25.31 | togs | I noticed that scrapping exim4 got rid of a part of mysql, but I put that back :) |
| 02:25.36 | shingouz | togs: Check what is in the directory, I suspec tthere are some files you did yourself. If you do not need them just delete the directory after you have checked what is going on there |
| 02:25.46 | togs | oky shingouz |
| 02:25.59 | soft | Is giving to an error in the update of my packages of programs debian.. some idea? |
| 02:26.10 | bob2 | soft: that's way too vague |
| 02:26.21 | bob2 | soft: you need to tell us what command you're running, and paste the output to #flood |
| 02:26.22 | togs | so if I hand-edit some files, it detects that and doesn't scrap it? |
| 02:26.26 | NetDC | is there any tools to monitor the terminal in linux? |
| 02:26.31 | Azar | togs, the apt-primer has some recommendation with the use of apt commands http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
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| 02:27.09 | togs | ah, thanks Azar, I was trying to find that link |
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| 02:28.33 | togs | does dpkg give out that apt primer link? |
| 02:28.36 | soft | bob2, I go to ask its mother if it can help me.:) |
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| 02:32.36 | rob_lt | NetDC: watch |
| 02:32.59 | miguens | I have had problem when i try install sarge with sata disk |
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| 02:33.05 | rob_lt | NetDC, ie: watch "ls -lh" |
| 02:33.07 | davii | hi all |
| 02:33.11 | miguens | ata_piix |
| 02:33.28 | spencerk | hi all |
| 02:33.44 | miguens | i have tryed install kernel 2.6 |
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| 02:34.38 | tekinlache | hi |
| 02:34.43 | davii | I am using kde, and after I installed gtk2-engines-gtk-qt my desktop became gnome, who can fix this? |
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| 02:34.54 | NetDC | rob_lt:not this , if somebody login in tty1 , I want to know what it does. |
| 02:35.08 | xydarcher | when i used ifconfig eth0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx the DNS can't make effect? |
| 02:35.44 | m4lu7 | in the name of God why can't this damned fully functional orinoco broadcast a dhcp request? |
| 02:35.45 | xydarcher | ping debian.org the return is ping:unknown host debian.org |
| 02:37.35 | DB_ | Does i2c-proc exist in 2.6 kernels? |
| 02:38.31 | bob2 | xydarcher: ifconfig has nothing to do with dns |
| 02:38.43 | davii | question: I am using kde, and after I installed gtk2-engines-gtk-qt my desktop became gnome, who can fix this? |
| 02:38.46 | bob2 | xydarcher: you setu pyour dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:38.53 | bob2 | davii: "became gnome"? |
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| 02:39.54 | davii | bob2: my desktop, i mean background pictures changes to gnome and managed by gnome |
| 02:40.09 | bob2 | how do you mean? |
| 02:40.23 | bob2 | you right click on the desktop and you get a gnome background config thing? |
| 02:40.29 | davii | bob2: yes |
| 02:40.33 | xydarcher | bob2, you are right it is not because of dns,it seems that the machine can only access internal computer |
| 02:42.01 | davii | bob2: i don't know how gnome goes to foreground in kde session, and i have tried to uninstall gtk2-engines-gtk-qt but gnome is still there |
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| 02:43.01 | muntz | Who is your daddy and what does he do? |
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| 02:45.03 | exobyte | I need to do some backup stuff. I have a hard drive and its backup on the same system. I considered rsync, but I'd like to do error checking- if the dates are the same but checksums differ, something nasty happened and email an admin |
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| 02:45.33 | davii | question: I am using kde, and after I installed gtk2-engines-gtk-qt my desktop became gnome(if i right click my background it brings gnome config thing), who can fix this? |
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| 02:45.55 | findme | use gnome solved |
| 02:46.13 | kmalloc | when you logon you can change desktop . |
| 02:46.26 | kmalloc | by selecting logon ment. |
| 02:46.28 | kmalloc | menu |
| 02:47.07 | davii | come on, I don't wanna use gnome |
| 02:47.14 | davii | gnome session |
| 02:47.39 | nunez | is there a program to merge video files together? |
| 02:48.04 | rob_lt | nunez: what type of video? You can just cat mpegs together. |
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| 02:48.32 | rob_lt | nunez: then there is avimerge for avi videos. |
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| 02:48.43 | davii | anyone knows where gnome things start in kde session? |
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| 02:49.11 | ec_ | m4lu7: I can try to help; i have a prism2.5 orinoco pci card working |
| 02:49.17 | rob_lt | NetDC: I did some googling, but I really don't know the solution to your problem. I did find some info about tty logging with UML, but I don't think that can apply here. |
| 02:49.20 | ec_ | or i did its not here right now |
| 02:49.40 | shem | how I can install debian sarge onto a sata drive? |
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| 02:51.30 | infinity1 | nunez: videodub |
| 02:52.22 | roo9 | anyone know how i can stop ssh from checking reverse DNS? |
| 02:52.35 | roo9 | temporarialy for a single host |
| 02:52.50 | Xenguy | roo9: /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 02:52.59 | Azar | sorry for the dumb question, I need to make a note on how one could find the precompile kernel lists for Sarge, I forgot the command.. |
| 02:53.24 | chealer | Azar: dpkg -l kernel-image- |
| 02:53.26 | chealer | Azar: dpkg -l kernel-image-* |
| 02:53.34 | Azar | thank you, chealer.. |
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| 02:54.56 | xydarcher | xydarcher,test |
| 02:55.27 | NetDC | rob_lt:thanks. Maybe there is not such tools in linux. |
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| 02:57.45 | EmeraldCat | hello. How can I share directories that are not in my home directory, but on other hard drives? |
| 02:59.15 | daxal | share localy or remotely? |
| 02:59.30 | daxal | well, you could always share, and give me the drive. :-p |
| 02:59.40 | EmeraldCat | over a LAN. (I guess locally?) |
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| 03:00.24 | EmeraldCat | I am using Knoppix 3.3? |
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| 03:01.38 | davii | question: I am using kde, and after I installed gtk2-engines-gtk-qt my desktop became gnome(if i right click my background it brings gnome config thing), who can fix this? |
| 03:01.49 | rob_lt | NetDC: you've got me very interested though.... I'd like some security tools like this. One I did find, which isn't exactly what you are looking for, but is of a similar vein is the command "last". |
| 03:02.36 | rob_lt | EmeraldCat: nfs? |
| 03:02.42 | cafuego | EmeraldCat: #knoppix is over there --> |
| 03:03.05 | EmeraldCat | I'm in Knoppix, but no one is active there. |
| 03:03.13 | EmeraldCat | daxal: When I use "Setup Samba," it asks me if I want to share all of the drives, but I only want to share some of them. |
| 03:03.16 | cafuego | Try #gentoo or #ubuntu, then |
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| 03:03.41 | rob_lt | along the lines of NetDC's question, does anyone know of a utility that will notify me when someone logs in via ssh? |
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| 03:03.46 | cafuego | EmeraldCat: Debian doesn't have this "Set up Samba" of which you speak. You're on the wrong channel. |
| 03:04.02 | EmeraldCat | What is Samba?? |
| 03:04.19 | daxal | EmeraldCat: www.samba.org |
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| 03:04.42 | cafuego | rob_lt: maybe a trigger in the pam config or a log watcher... |
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| 03:05.14 | cafuego | EmeraldCat: www.samba.org |
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| 03:06.05 | EmeraldCat | In general, Linux should be able to share files between Windows and Mac, right? |
| 03:06.09 | Kommissar | I installed pure-ftpd via synaptic and i can connect fine when i run the binary from the terminal but when i run the init.d script with 'start' nothing will connect. does anyone know why? |
| 03:06.20 | cafuego | EmeraldCat: Eh |
| 03:06.22 | daxal | oh, and don't forget, www.samba.org. it's a good one to. =-D |
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| 03:06.55 | cafuego | EmeraldCat: Both Windows and Mac clients can speak to properly configured Linux servers, yes. Well, MacOSX 10.4 may be an exception. |
| 03:06.56 | terryc | how do you use apt* to find which package has a file? TIA |
| 03:06.59 | daxal | EmeraldCat: oh then you want ftp or even httpd with webdav? |
| 03:07.06 | cafuego | terryc: apt-file or dpkg -S |
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| 03:07.17 | terryc | cafuego: thanks |
| 03:07.22 | cafuego | daxal: macosx speaks samba/nfs/appletalk just fine |
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| 03:07.37 | EmeraldCat | daxal: I want peer-to-peer file sharing |
| 03:07.52 | daxal | he didn't specify os x, but you're right :) |
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| 03:08.29 | EmeraldCat | Actually, I have MacOS 9.2 Macs. |
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| 03:08.42 | rob_lt | EmeraldCat: nfs will make a network shared folder appear just as though it was a folder on the local machine, and is not very hard to set up. |
| 03:08.49 | xydarcher | how to extract .zip file? can bzip do? |
| 03:08.58 | rob_lt | xydarcher: apt-get install unzip |
| 03:09.30 | daxal | xydarcher: bzip is for .bz2 files (man page for your enjoyment) |
| 03:09.32 | Kommissar | I installed pure-ftpd via synaptic and i can connect to yhe ftp server fine when i run the binary from the terminal with /usr/bin/pure-ftpd but when i run the init.d script with 'start' nothing will connect. does anyone know why? |
| 03:10.48 | NetDC | rob_lt: I know this command-- "last", but if I want to show somebody how to do something in the system step by step , it seems weak ,when I vi a file , it can not know what I do with the file . |
| 03:11.30 | xydarcher | is there some win-tools can compress as tar.gz? |
| 03:12.18 | rob_lt | NetDC: what about install a keylogger if you just want to keep track of what you do? |
| 03:13.00 | Agrajag- | NetDC: use screen with multihead mode |
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| 03:13.36 | Agrajag- | or multi display mode or whatever they call it |
| 03:14.10 | quittt | do you know a good port of Quake for Debian?? |
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| 03:14.34 | NetDC | rob_lt: you mean "lkl - userspace keylogger for x86 architechture" |
| 03:14.48 | NetDC | Agrajag-: I will try. |
| 03:14.51 | Agrajag- | NetDC: if you want someone to see what you're doing in a terminal, use screen |
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| 03:15.15 | caojun | who can help me !! i want to know if Debian kernel 2.6 have a good vpn soft like FreeS/WAN ,but , in my system ,i can't apt the newest FreeS/WAN version |
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| 03:18.11 | NetDC | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.29 | Agrajag- | one of you starts a screen session |
| 03:18.35 | Agrajag- | with just 'screen' |
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| 03:18.50 | Agrajag- | the other can do 'screen -x' |
| 03:19.06 | mikeX | a quick script for a recursive md5sum? |
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| 03:19.27 | caojun | Agrajag-, which soft can build a VPN on Debian ? |
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| 03:19.49 | Agrajag- | caojun: i dunno and your use of commans and spaces is fairly annoying |
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| 03:20.03 | klaxian | hi guys |
| 03:20.30 | klaxian | my gnome-volume-manager isn't mounting drives automatically -- any thoughts on why? it's never worked for me actually |
| 03:20.33 | tekinlache | hi y all |
| 03:20.45 | klaxian | however, it does seem to be working on a machine that i just reformatted and put debian unstable on it |
| 03:20.45 | tekinlache | how can I access to my trash while running blackbox ? |
| 03:21.44 | xydarcher | how to set the transfer mode of ftp? type i seems unavailable |
| 03:21.47 | klaxian | gnome-volume-manager anyone? |
| 03:22.57 | klaxian | hal seems to pick up the device, but it doesn't mount in the desktop |
| 03:25.03 | dwu | which program can i use to record sound in linux? |
| 03:25.08 | NetDC | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.27 | herbi_ | anyone know what the 0x in 0xFA0000 or some random hex is? |
| 03:25.42 | herbi_ | is it just an identifier to say to the compiler "the following is hex" |
| 03:25.50 | klaxian | i think so |
| 03:26.05 | terryc | if I have just done a base install of Woody, what is the easiest (across the net way) of living dnagerously (installing something more up to date? TIA |
| 03:26.49 | caojun | dwar, too many command can do this ! |
| 03:27.16 | caojun | dwu , too many soft and command can do this under Linux |
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| 03:28.07 | dwu | caojun: can you suggest one |
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| 03:28.14 | starscalling | jezuz |
| 03:28.15 | starscalling | hey |
| 03:28.37 | caojun | e! use command " record " |
| 03:28.38 | starscalling | if i get different readings in 2 bandwidth proggies, one is ntop the other is um |
| 03:28.44 | shingouz | !tell caojun about vpn |
| 03:28.54 | dwu | caojun: also, im trying sound-recorder and rec right now, but they are not taking the input from the mic |
| 03:28.58 | dwu | how can i fix this |
| 03:29.33 | shingouz | dmu: Unmute the microphone |
| 03:29.41 | dwu | shingouz: its not muted |
| 03:29.47 | starscalling | the other is iptraf |
| 03:29.51 | starscalling | which one should i trust? |
| 03:29.56 | dwu | shingouz: i can hear myself in the headset |
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| 03:30.00 | dwu | and skype works with i |
| 03:30.01 | dwu | it |
| 03:30.24 | caojun | dwu, use command aumix or alsamixer if you have alsa drive ! |
| 03:30.28 | shingouz | dmu: Do you have other sound applications open at the time |
| 03:30.45 | caojun | shingouz, thank you ! |
| 03:30.47 | dwu | shingouz: no |
| 03:30.49 | shingouz | caojun: Please, *please* stop using that many spaces between the words |
| 03:30.58 | dwu | caojun: i am using alsamixer |
| 03:31.02 | caojun | dpkg, thank you |
| 03:31.02 | dpkg | no worries, caojun |
| 03:31.26 | shingouz | dpkg what are you |
| 03:31.26 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:31.53 | garung | dpkg are you a boy? |
| 03:31.58 | garung | lolz |
| 03:32.05 | liable | !gender |
| 03:32.05 | dpkg | I'm lesbian |
| 03:32.07 | klaxian | anyone know any gnome-volume-manager isn't mounting drives automatically? |
| 03:32.09 | liable | hah |
| 03:32.09 | caojun | shingouz, ok, but this input line in my computer is so small, |
| 03:32.12 | garung | haha |
| 03:32.25 | klaxian | any help would be appreciated |
| 03:32.33 | caojun | dwu, ajust the mic / |
| 03:32.43 | klaxian | hal sees the usb drive inserted, but it doesn't appear on the desktop |
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| 03:34.12 | hikenboot | here's a simple question...I want to change from debian stable to experimental...where do I go to get the apt-get sources list entries for this...also I want to run the stable kernel while experimental everything else ...IS this possible? |
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| 03:34.32 | chealer | !tell hikenboot about iyhtays |
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| 03:34.54 | chealer | hikenboot: no |
| 03:35.08 | Kommissar | Hello, I installed vsftpd however after transfering a few files to the debian box that it runs on i get this error: Error: Could not write to socket: Connection reset by peer |
| 03:35.33 | Kommissar | Does anyone know the cause? |
| 03:35.59 | klaxian | experimental isn't a full distribution -- use unstable |
| 03:37.03 | hikenboot | ok so the second question isnt possible...heres another if i change my sources list to unstable...will it upgrade the kernel thru synaptic package manger? Or is there good solid idiot proof directions for this? |
| 03:37.30 | shingouz | hikenboot: If you really have to ask, don't install even Sid. May break your system something fierce and you get to keep the pieces. Just don't |
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| 03:37.45 | bob2 | hikenboot: you can upgrade it if you want to |
| 03:37.50 | bob2 | apt will not, automatically |
| 03:37.51 | hikenboot | hmmm...I thought that might be the answer |
| 03:37.55 | nevyn | hikenboot: kernels are never autmatically upgraded |
| 03:38.23 | IDC | morning |
| 03:38.31 | hikenboot | yes unfortunately I cant seem to find directions that tell me the exact steps to do it without destroying my current install |
| 03:38.47 | Guerin | hikenboot: man sources.list; man apt-get |
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| 03:39.00 | bob2 | hikenboot: you install a new kernel. you reboot. enjoy. |
| 03:39.08 | bob2 | if you use lilo, you read what it tells you to do |
| 03:39.18 | hikenboot | ok thanks |
| 03:39.19 | michal__ | is samba the only opensource smb server implementation? |
| 03:39.32 | JDahl | I have a question about dependencies for building packages; what's the appropriate channel to ask those questions? |
| 03:39.44 | bob2 | JDahl: #debian-mentors |
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| 03:39.51 | bob2 | JDahl: or, better still, the debian-mentors list |
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| 03:40.21 | caojun | shingouz, does dpkg is a bot ? |
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| 03:40.40 | shingouz | caojun: Yes, dpkg is a bot |
| 03:41.42 | hugo | bob2: what was that again, that you are using? shorewall? |
| 03:42.01 | bob2 | yes |
| 03:42.03 | IDC | I have specified 'resume by Alarm' in BIOS at 0 day 7:00AM,i haven't done anything in crontab for a schedualed time to power off,so when my computer is running when it gets to 7:00AM according to my BIOS settings will it .....'reboot '? although this's not what i wanted |
| 03:42.54 | caojun | IDC, hello , |
| 03:42.54 | shingouz | IDC: Just let it run ;) |
| 03:42.56 | bob2 | you'd have to ask your bios manufacturer |
| 03:43.00 | bob2 | or read the manual |
| 03:43.11 | IDC | hi caojun |
| 03:43.19 | IDC | okay |
| 03:43.42 | hugo | is there an interface available to configure it? |
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| 03:45.01 | jsw1 | someone earlier tonight recommended that I try debian sarge rc2 instead of rc3. would anyone comment please? |
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| 03:45.11 | jsw1 | is rc2 that much safer? |
| 03:45.29 | xydarcher | which ftp does debian install by default as i selected ftp server |
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| 03:46.15 | shingouz | jsw1: That is just the install cd, you will still be running the same software except that the rc3 installer usually works better. This is not RedHat with all the different releases |
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| 03:46.34 | quittt | !quake |
| 03:46.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, quake is one of the few decent games for linux! Test packages of quake (including glquake) are aptable from "deb http://www.debian.org/%7Eknghtbrd/ quake/" or game that makes you puke;; newbies' guide for quake here: http://www.cheatersguild.com/quake/strategyguide.htm |
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| 03:47.29 | caojun | !freeswan |
| 03:47.30 | dpkg | somebody said freeswan was an implementation of IPSEC and IKE for Linux, or at http://www.freeswan.org/, or try '/sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ipsec0 -s $EXTERNALIP -j SNAT --to $INTERNALIP' for gw to gw communication, or be sure to /msg apt ipsec too! |
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| 03:48.39 | jsw1 | I am very new to debian and I had found it confusing. :) |
| 03:49.09 | nevyn | jsw1: that's unfortunate. |
| 03:49.10 | deadcat | jsw1: good start (= |
| 03:49.12 | shingouz | jsw1: Just install with the latest version of the installer and you should be set |
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| 03:49.48 | jsw1 | should I use the netinstal? .. that looked the best option when I looked. The cd set looked huge. |
| 03:50.18 | shingouz | jsw1: Yes |
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| 03:50.27 | liable | jsw1: yes, if you have broadband, go the net install |
| 03:50.40 | jsw1 | yes, have broadband. thanks for the tip. |
| 03:50.50 | shingouz | jsw1: otoh you can do the same thing with the first cd of the set too for that matter |
| 03:51.05 | jsw1 | re: cd1 .. that is good to know as well. |
| 03:51.55 | jsw1 | re: sarge. should I wait for the "official stuff" that should be coming out end of month? and is it coming out then? |
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| 03:52.19 | jsw1 | it sounded like many are using it as is. |
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| 03:52.44 | caojun | !openswan |
| 03:52.53 | caojun | !ipsec-tools |
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| 03:52.55 | shingouz | jsw1: Sarge is out when it is ready. Just grab the latest installer and install off the net, you will be running the latest software in anycase even if Sarge releases in 3094 |
| 03:53.11 | caojun | !freeswan |
| 03:53.12 | dpkg | freeswan is, like, an implementation of IPSEC and IKE for Linux, or at http://www.freeswan.org/, or try '/sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ipsec0 -s $EXTERNALIP -j SNAT --to $INTERNALIP' for gw to gw communication, or be sure to /msg apt ipsec too! |
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| 03:53.22 | xai | I removed some man pages in /usr/share/man/* and when I tried to reinstall them, they all get removed every time i install a new package.. any ideas how to fix? |
| 03:53.24 | shingouz | caojun: /msg dpkg freeswan |
| 03:53.34 | jsw1 | shingouz: that is pretty much what I had thought. sarge could release just about any time. |
| 03:53.55 | caojun | shingouz, thanks! |
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| 03:54.14 | jjuarez | saebofy knoe game stile age of empire |
| 03:54.17 | jjuarez | ? |
| 03:54.18 | shingouz | jsw1: Or year 5000 for that matter. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade keeps the system fresh |
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| 03:54.41 | narker | has anyone tried Glade3+Anjuta2 ? |
| 03:54.41 | maher | an apt-get a day keeps the doctor away |
| 03:54.48 | jason__ | lol, anyone know why the nvidia driver makes one's fonts so large? |
| 03:54.50 | chealer | !tell jjuarez about es |
| 03:55.04 | jason__ | i had to change my default font size on a 1400x1050 15" LCD from 13 pt to 8 pt |
| 03:55.12 | jason__ | to maintain about the same size |
| 03:55.33 | starscalling | you know |
| 03:55.52 | starscalling | my monitor in debian default resolution is 1280x900 i think |
| 03:56.09 | starscalling | i like it at 1280x1024 but cant seem to make that default |
| 03:56.14 | starscalling | is there something im missing somewhere? |
| 03:56.27 | shingouz | starscalling: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 03:56.42 | starscalling | thanx |
| 03:57.32 | pipe | narker: glade THREE ? |
| 03:57.44 | pipe | narker: Also, have you tried monodevelop? You won't need anjuta anymore :P |
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| 03:58.02 | starscalling | shit |
| 03:58.11 | starscalling | how can i tell the bus configurator addy thing? |
| 03:58.12 | starscalling | :/ |
| 03:58.18 | shingouz | lspci |
| 03:58.35 | shingouz | starscalling: You do not need it if you have only one controller there |
| 03:58.41 | bob2 | shingouz: leave it blank |
| 03:58.45 | starscalling | i have onboard and that one |
| 03:58.52 | starscalling | but onboard should be disabled |
| 03:58.59 | shingouz | starscalling: In that case you have only one |
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| 04:02.49 | jjuarez | quien tiene debian sarge iso |
| 04:02.51 | jjuarez | q ande |
| 04:03.17 | starscalling | ooooooooo |
| 04:03.18 | shingouz | !tell jjuarez about d-i |
| 04:03.19 | starscalling | kick ass! |
| 04:03.22 | starscalling | thanx guyz! |
| 04:03.23 | shingouz | !es |
| 04:03.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:03.29 | shingouz | starscalling: Works? |
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| 04:03.52 | starscalling | well |
| 04:03.58 | starscalling | i think i need to relogin to find out |
| 04:04.09 | jsw1 | for the netinst http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/ |
| 04:04.42 | jsw1 | might want to look here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 04:05.06 | shingouz | jsw1: dpkg already sent that information to jjuarez ;) |
| 04:05.18 | jsw1 | :) lagging or late. |
| 04:05.27 | shingouz | just a bit |
| 04:05.32 | jsw1 | :) |
| 04:05.52 | starscalling | is there a way to reinitialize my login without losing programs that are running like this one here? |
| 04:06.05 | shingouz | starscalling: You in X now? |
| 04:06.20 | starscalling | i think so? |
| 04:06.29 | starscalling | im in gnome login gui |
| 04:06.41 | starscalling | how can i tell? |
| 04:06.58 | shingouz | starscalling: X in that case. No, you need to restart X afaik |
| 04:07.23 | pipe | starscalling: You can install the xmove package, and use that to do something like that, but you have to start programs explicitly with xmove and it's a bit of a hassle. |
| 04:07.27 | starscalling | is there a way to start another login and test it and then kill that one? |
| 04:07.35 | shingouz | starscalling: X is where you have all kinds of stuff to point and drool at. CLI is the black thingie with lots of text |
| 04:07.45 | starscalling | ah yeah x then |
| 04:08.01 | starscalling | can i start another x session and kill it and not lose this one then? |
| 04:08.18 | shingouz | starscalling: Not really but you can always ctrl-alt-F2 into another console, logon there and startx -- 1: |
| 04:08.35 | starscalling | then kill that one and get to this one how? |
| 04:08.42 | starscalling | oh |
| 04:08.44 | starscalling | nvm |
| 04:08.46 | starscalling | seems to do nothing |
| 04:08.52 | starscalling | i guess i broke that part or something |
| 04:08.53 | starscalling | :/ |
| 04:08.55 | starscalling | ok then |
| 04:09.01 | starscalling | ill restart it in a bit then |
| 04:09.16 | chealer | !tell starscalling about enter |
| 04:09.21 | starscalling | blah |
| 04:09.25 | starscalling | thanx for the help again |
| 04:09.40 | xai | I removed some man pages in /usr/share/man/* and when I tried to reinstall them, All /usr/share/man/* files get removed every time i install a new package.. |
| 04:09.58 | xai | No error is reported either. |
| 04:11.40 | mwilson | xai: No they don't. |
| 04:11.41 | starscalling | oh yes. also when i run mplayer it opens the file fine, but when i fullscreen it the app fullscreens but the video pic doesnt.. what could i do to fix that? |
| 04:11.54 | bob2 | use a proper output thing |
| 04:11.57 | bob2 | mplayer -vo xv ... |
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| 04:12.10 | starscalling | would that work with gmplayer? |
| 04:12.16 | bob2 | who knows |
| 04:12.20 | bob2 | why don't you just try it? |
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| 04:12.28 | starscalling | nope it doesnt :P |
| 04:12.38 | shingouz | starscalling: It usually does but you need to slap the -vo into the config file for that |
| 04:12.56 | Guerin | just use mplayer from the cli |
| 04:13.14 | narker_ | In Anjuta, in order to use GTK+ importing a XML glade file do I have to create libglade project or a gtk project ? |
| 04:13.26 | Guerin | christ, you start the movie, then you let it run. the only things you need to know: arrow keys and phup/pgdn skip, space pauses |
| 04:13.37 | bob2 | 90 for volume |
| 04:13.49 | Guerin | oh yeah, volume |
| 04:13.58 | shingouz | ....but there are no things you can point and drool at... ;) |
| 04:14.18 | Guerin | shingouz: except the movie, of course |
| 04:14.30 | shingouz | Depends on the movie :) |
| 04:14.34 | Guerin | which, given the quality of most movies nowadays, is all they;'re good for |
| 04:14.37 | xai | mwilson: no they don't what? |
| 04:15.14 | shingouz | Guerin: Humphrey Bogart |
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| 04:15.41 | Guerin | shingouz: he doesn't drool that much |
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| 04:16.23 | shingouz | Guerin: True, his movies are the ones where you do not have anything to point and drool at on the screen unless you run gmplayer ;) |
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| 04:16.31 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:16.37 | Guerin | except lauren bacall |
| 04:16.44 | shingouz | Well... true |
| 04:16.53 | shingouz | They are so wonderfully sarcastic too |
| 04:17.05 | hikenboot | apt-setup does not exist in stable is there an alternative to this? |
| 04:17.14 | Guerin | hikenboot: man sources.list |
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| 04:18.33 | daxal | if anyone could relate about the stability of the national semiconductor DP83815 chipset ethernet controller, and compare/contrast with something else (et, intel etherexpress pro100) I'd appriciate it. |
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| 04:20.29 | tay | how do i install adblock plugin running firefox on debian, the mozilla site keeps wanting me to upgrade my browser >:( |
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| 04:20.48 | tay | i am running firefox unstable |
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| 04:21.36 | deadcat | tay: it shouldnt. works fine for me |
| 04:22.01 | shingouz | tay: If there is a way to stop it from checking for updates, make it so |
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| 04:22.43 | xbaez | hi where package have mp3encode |
| 04:22.56 | deadcat | xbaez: apt-cache search |
| 04:23.00 | Guerin | the newest round of plugins are probably keyes to 1.0.4, while debian's is 1.0.3 |
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| 04:23.30 | xbaez | deadcat, i did it but return nothing |
| 04:23.37 | deadcat | Guerin: 1.0.4 for me |
| 04:23.41 | Guerin | the thing is, though, that the api shouldn't have changed; there's just a braindead version string in some config file that needs changing. I struck this with the 0.9->0.9.1 move |
| 04:23.44 | Guerin | deadcat: oh, in sid? |
| 04:23.49 | deadcat | Guerin: ya |
| 04:23.55 | Guerin | deadcat: my bad. |
| 04:24.10 | deadcat | xbaez: is that like lame? |
| 04:24.40 | Guerin | xbaez: there are no mp3 encoders in debian, for reasons of patent enforcement. /msg dpkg lame. |
| 04:24.47 | deadcat | Guerin: i cant quite remember. you have ibook right? |
| 04:24.56 | xbaez | oh ok thanks |
| 04:24.59 | Guerin | deadcat: hell no, I have a 1997 toshiba |
| 04:25.05 | deadcat | Guerin: (= |
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| 04:27.21 | xai | Why would apt-get remove any files in /usr/share/man ? |
| 04:27.27 | Phaser_Printer | How do you get more options for licenses in Kdevelop? The only one I have is custom and I want an option for GPL. |
| 04:27.36 | bob2 | Phaser_Printer: #debian-kde |
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| 04:28.19 | deadcat | xai: it only remove the ones that comes with the package |
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| 04:28.57 | xai | deadcat: im actually doing "apt-get install xyz" and it still removes |
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| 04:29.25 | deadcat | bob2: i emailed the place where i took my ibook g3 to get the logicboard fix. they said its sent to texas, i hope they are out of g3 and they have no choice but to give me a g4 (=. but i still want my hd though heheh |
| 04:29.35 | deadcat | xai: ah. |
| 04:29.40 | bob2 | haha |
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| 04:29.52 | deadcat | bob2: it could happen (=. if i am a good boy hehe |
| 04:30.52 | Azar | okk, so I got nvidia setup, an xserver, I am looking for some material about how to install a desktop manager, dpkg has any links on its sleeves? |
| 04:31.04 | Azar | !desktop |
| 04:31.04 | dpkg | desktop is, like, a fucking asshole |
| 04:31.11 | Azar | oh oh |
| 04:31.13 | deadcat | Azar: try xfce4 |
| 04:31.26 | jasoncohen | Azar, what are you looking for in a desktop? |
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| 04:31.46 | jasoncohen | plain & simple or a lot of graphical effects |
| 04:31.49 | Azar | deadcat, I am looking to see what limitations speaking of allowed packages within Sarge I can have |
| 04:31.56 | shingouz | Azar: Yea, small and useful or loaded with blingbling? |
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| 04:32.25 | Azar | jasoncohen, the only interest to me is to practice learning installation and configuration |
| 04:32.29 | deadcat | Azar: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/ i have some screenshots of openbox fluxbox wmaker xfce4 |
| 04:32.30 | terryc | To go from Woody (stable) to Sarge (unstable) is it a simple matter of changing stable to unstable in sources.list? TIA |
| 04:32.34 | jasoncohen | well it's really not hard |
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| 04:32.49 | Azar | cuz I am not going to use X much just for learning purposes |
| 04:32.54 | jasoncohen | Azar, apt-get install kde or apt-get install gnome for the big ones. They're meta packages so they'll pull in a lot |
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| 04:33.09 | bob2 | terryc: sarge is testing, not unstable |
| 04:33.11 | jasoncohen | apt-get install kde gnome took down like 500 packages |
| 04:33.16 | shingouz | !tell terryc about woody->sarge |
| 04:33.20 | Azar | wow |
| 04:33.28 | Azar | anything smaller for a beginner? |
| 04:33.31 | Guerin | !literal desktop |
| 04:33.31 | dpkg | desktop is a fucking asshole |
| 04:33.41 | Guerin | !factinfo desktop |
| 04:33.41 | dpkg | desktop -- created by a_lame_one <~ludvig@t6o11p24.telia.com> at Wed Apr 24 19:38:40 2002 (1120 days); it has been requested 23 times, last by Azar, 2m 37s ago. |
| 04:33.47 | shingouz | jasoncohen: Why het hell would you like to have both Gnome and KDE on the same box is beyond me |
| 04:33.52 | jasoncohen | Azar, they're not that large. that's just downloading kde & gnome related apps |
| 04:33.55 | terryc | !tell terryc about stable to unstable |
| 04:33.56 | Guerin | surprised that doesn't come up more often |
| 04:34.25 | Azar | jasoncohen I am looking for something really simple and unsofisticated |
| 04:34.26 | chealer | !tell terryc about releases |
| 04:34.27 | jasoncohen | shingouz, i like the gnome configuration packages and the default stuff it installs + i have the space |
| 04:34.40 | chealer | terryc: use /msg dpkg foofactoid |
| 04:34.43 | Guerin | dpkg, desktop is see http://xwinman.org/ |
| 04:34.44 | dpkg | ...but desktop is already something else... |
| 04:34.47 | jasoncohen | terryc, do you want to use testing (sarge) or unstable (sid)? |
| 04:34.50 | Azar | could I install openbox with no problem in Sarge, or it requires sid? |
| 04:34.51 | Guerin | dpkg, no, desktop is see http://xwinman.org/ |
| 04:34.52 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 04:35.12 | Guerin | jasoncohen: he wants to u se sarge |
| 04:35.14 | bob2 | Azar: http://bugs.debian.org/openbox |
| 04:35.15 | maher | Azar: you can install it on sarge |
| 04:35.25 | Azar | thank you guys :) |
| 04:35.27 | deadcat | bob2: if i blackmail the CEO os broadcom (the wireless chip maker) you think they will write opensource code? (= |
| 04:35.32 | terryc | shingouz: thanks |
| 04:35.37 | deadcat | viva openbox3 |
| 04:35.39 | jasoncohen | Azar, there's not much that you need unstable for |
| 04:35.40 | shingouz | terryc: yw |
| 04:35.41 | terryc | chealer: tnaks |
| 04:35.42 | jasoncohen | that i've seen |
| 04:35.44 | Guerin | jasoncohen: don't tell people to use sid, don't tell them how to use sid. If they want to use sid, they'll find out how. |
| 04:35.47 | terryc | chealer: thanks |
| 04:35.51 | wdok | can somebody tell me howto descramble cable box signal, i have a tv card and i dont have any box |
| 04:35.53 | bob2 | deadcat: you'd have to have picturs of him/her and their whole family with a pack of buffallo or something, I suspect |
| 04:35.56 | jasoncohen | Guerin, ok, i'll remember that, heh |
| 04:36.01 | bob2 | wdok: go away |
| 04:36.01 | terryc | jasoncohen: sid (confusion) |
| 04:36.06 | Guerin | unstable is for testers, developers, and lunatics. |
| 04:36.08 | Azar | the only thing I am keeping an eye on is package dependencies |
| 04:36.12 | shingouz | jasoncohen: Usually they get to keep thepieces too.. ;) |
| 04:36.24 | Guerin | wdok: #cabletvtheft |
| 04:36.28 | deadcat | bob2: Xcellente |
| 04:37.10 | deadcat | bob2: i heard some bad thing about the slot loading cddrive. true? |
| 04:37.19 | bob2 | I never had a problem |
| 04:37.20 | jasoncohen | terryc, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement#head-5e09999a1431b6da34825aeb50cd421ec149c3d4 |
| 04:37.32 | deadcat | !rvsp |
| 04:37.40 | maher | !tell terryc about chroot |
| 04:37.42 | wdok | what can i do with thah link guerin |
| 04:37.59 | Guerin | wdok: do whatever you like with it. Decode it for all I care. |
| 04:38.03 | jasoncohen | terryc, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change stable to testing. then do apt-get update ; apt-get install apt-utils debconf dpkg apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 04:38.04 | maher | dondelelcaro: wot is ur problem? |
| 04:38.05 | Guerin | unlike your tv signal. |
| 04:38.12 | dondelelcaro | maher: exactly. |
| 04:38.16 | toukitsune | Does anyone know if a GPRS pcmcia card would work on debian? |
| 04:38.17 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: hahah. ambush him |
| 04:38.29 | jasoncohen | woops, there should be a ; between dpkg and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:38.34 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: her actually... hopefully a gentle whack with the cluebat will be sufficient |
| 04:38.39 | bob2 | toukitsune: it should show up as a serial port with a device on the end |
| 04:38.39 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: send him bac a reply piped through elite |
| 04:38.42 | bob2 | or so I hear |
| 04:38.48 | wdok | i get it |
| 04:38.51 | Guerin | or whatever that perl script is which 1337ifies text |
| 04:38.56 | shingouz | toukitsune: AFAIK most do as long as they are seen as serial ports by the system |
| 04:39.03 | jasoncohen | dondelelcaro, a student of yours wrote that way? |
| 04:39.06 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: too much aim for her. or that stupid cellphone message thing |
| 04:39.07 | wdok | i mean i dont get it |
| 04:39.08 | jasoncohen | lol, fail him! |
| 04:39.10 | toukitsune | it should? |
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| 04:39.22 | shingouz | toukitsune: It should. |
| 04:39.26 | maher | dondelelcaro: filter your reply through swedish chef |
| 04:39.48 | shingouz | maher: Neat! Is there really such a filter? :) |
| 04:39.54 | maher | shingouz: alas yes |
| 04:40.03 | toukitsune | does anyone know about the one T-Mobal has the Sony Ericsson GC79 PC Cellular Card |
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| 04:40.33 | toukitsune | cause I am thinking of getting a plan but I need one that works |
| 04:40.38 | dondelelcaro | BORK BORK BORK |
| 04:40.46 | shingouz | toukitsune: I *think* the T-Mobile should work. If you have a GPRS cellphone there that will at least work. Been there, done it, have the scars |
| 04:41.28 | maher | shingouz: its in filters |
| 04:41.29 | toukitsune | well I am not planning on useing a cellphone. I am planning on useing a card that is built in |
| 04:41.38 | Guerin | using |
| 04:41.50 | shingouz | toukitsune: Personally I like the phones better than the cards or boxes. The phone may come in handy otherwise too you know |
| 04:41.55 | wdok | guerin what can i do wit the link u wrote? |
| 04:42.10 | toukitsune | thanks Guerin |
| 04:42.14 | shingouz | wdok: This is #debian, not #howtohaxx0rcable |
| 04:42.21 | Guerin | wdok: fuck off. You're trying to hack cable, which is both offtopic and illegal. |
| 04:42.57 | Guerin | and ideally you'd learn to spell three- and four-letter words at some point, too |
| 04:43.00 | terryc | jasoncohen: thanks, started the process |
| 04:43.17 | shingouz | Guerin: I guess that is the biggest reason he cannot use google |
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| 04:43.28 | jasoncohen | terryc, how many packages do you have to download? |
| 04:43.30 | toukitsune | shingouz: the problem with a phone is that I will have to pay more for service just to use gprs. is 45.99 for cell with gprs compared with 29.99 month for just the gprs service |
| 04:43.32 | dondelelcaro | hacking cable is easy. You call the company, and ask them for their most expensive cable plan. Congratulations, you've hacked cable. |
| 04:43.43 | jasoncohen | anyone use apticron to email yourself package updates? |
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| 04:44.10 | shingouz | toukitsune: They do not care what the sim sits in. Tell them you are going to use a card and get a phone ;) |
| 04:44.19 | wdok | is the first time i use IRC chat |
| 04:44.19 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: pwn3d |
| 04:44.38 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i dont get the expensive plan. |
| 04:45.04 | toukitsune | I still don't want to use a dongle |
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| 04:45.10 | dondelelcaro | toukitsune: so don't use it |
| 04:45.16 | shingouz | toukitsune: My point is that the same sim will work on the pcmcia card, a box and a cell |
| 04:45.29 | shingouz | toukitsune: Bluetooth or IrDA ;) |
| 04:45.49 | toukitsune | the sim card will but I am wanting to know if the pcmcia card will work with linux |
| 04:46.02 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you know the debian tshirt this linuxworldexpo yet? are there gonna be any macmini for the booth? (= |
| 04:46.23 | shingouz | toukitsune: The T-Mobile should work, I think I saw someone mention it somewhere |
| 04:46.29 | maher | why am i too stupid to get linux-wlan to compile its modules against the kernel headers? does it really need a full build tree? |
| 04:46.37 | s4r63 | how update gnome version whith apt-get ??? my version is 2.6 |
| 04:47.12 | shingouz | toukitsune: As long as the card looks like a serial from the systems point of view you are set. 16-bit pcmcia is a better bet than a 32-bit with wlan and other assorted crap in it |
| 04:47.15 | toukitsune | oh what about the audiovox gprs card that fits in compact flash port |
| 04:47.28 | maher | s4r63: apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade <-- you will have the most recent available for your version of debian |
| 04:47.37 | shingouz | toukitsune: Same thing. If it looks like a serial it will work |
| 04:47.48 | toukitsune | hmmm. shingouz the card has 802.11 built into it |
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| 04:47.57 | s4r63 | maher, ok |
| 04:48.06 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: dunno. I need to harass matt about it |
| 04:48.07 | shingouz | toukitsune: Now the question is what chipset does it use for the wlan |
| 04:48.09 | deadcat | maher: ya. fuck linux-wlan. hostap |
| 04:48.11 | s4r63 | what the last version of gnome ? |
| 04:48.17 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I think there will be some. Hopefully they will be nice. |
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| 04:48.37 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: tshirts that is... no clue about what hardware will be there. That depends on what volunteers bring |
| 04:48.37 | shingouz | s4r63: www.google.com |
| 04:48.42 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: better be. (=. is it one of those at the end of the show you take them home deal? hehe |
| 04:48.48 | wdok | guerin cabron |
| 04:48.48 | wdok | gracia 4 help |
| 04:48.49 | deadcat | ah |
| 04:49.01 | toukitsune | trying to find out |
| 04:49.13 | maher | deadcat: was that a yes i need a full build tree? |
| 04:49.30 | deadcat | maher: ya. full tree. what chipset is the card? |
| 04:49.41 | shingouz | toukitsune: If possible, just get a card with the GPRS, get the Wlan and other neat toys on separate cards |
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| 04:51.42 | Azar | hmm trying to setup Alsa I got this info: ALSA v0.5 is buggy for via8233 |
| 04:51.55 | toukitsune | I much rather get a free card with a plan then paying for a card that only has gprs. besides I only have one pcmcia port |
| 04:51.59 | deadcat | Azar: what kernel? default 2.6 has alsa |
| 04:52.08 | Azar | 2.6.8 |
| 04:52.12 | Azar | how could I check? |
| 04:52.19 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:52.21 | deadcat | Azar: modprobe -l |grep alsa |
| 04:52.30 | deadcat | Azar: modprobe -l |grep snd |
| 04:52.31 | maher | deadcat: its a usb dlink DWL-122, the linux-wlan hw list lists it as prism |
| 04:52.35 | Guerin | according to a mate who lived in mexico, cabron is what you call your good friends |
| 04:52.42 | shingouz | toukitsune: The thing is that not all wlan chipsets work with linux, you may be screwed if you take such a card |
| 04:52.47 | deadcat | maher: use hostap, rocks like a whore |
| 04:52.47 | Guerin | whereas elsewhere it means something rather different |
| 04:53.06 | toukitsune | BCM2121 chipset |
| 04:53.28 | deadcat | maher: maybe also upgrade the firmware: http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/ |
| 04:53.51 | maher | deadcat: heh - i'll see if hostap works first... |
| 04:53.52 | shingouz | toukitsune: Sounds like a Broadcom to me. Bad news |
| 04:54.20 | toukitsune | it is broadcom |
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| 04:54.27 | deadcat | maher: hehe. mess with the students in your class. (= hostapd+apache+dhcpserver+dns |
| 04:54.31 | trend | how do you change the default login dir for a user? |
| 04:54.39 | Azar | it seems I do not have alsa maybe oss |
| 04:54.42 | shingouz | toukitsune: Bad news. As in not work natively I think |
| 04:54.46 | deadcat | trend: usermod |
| 04:54.57 | xerophyte | from the shell is thee anyway i can find out kind of ram the server has .. like DDR and stuff |
| 04:55.10 | deadcat | Azar: apt-get kernel or you built it yourself? |
| 04:55.16 | Azar | I am reading this http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=via8233 and I guess I will not be able to run it.. |
| 04:55.25 | toukitsune | hmmm well then I will have to figure out how to wire power to a cellphone and the computer at the same time then |
| 04:55.34 | Azar | deadcat, I took a precompiled kernel from the list |
| 04:55.54 | shingouz | toukitsune: What kinds of uptimes you planning on getting there? |
| 04:56.01 | deadcat | Azar: it has alsa. apt-get install alsa-utils then alsaconfig? |
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| 04:56.21 | toukitsune | well my friends sidekick ran on gprs 24/7 |
| 04:56.27 | toukitsune | no dissconnects |
| 04:56.32 | Azar | I will try, but last time I tried to run it (four months ago, while fiddling with sid) it did not work |
| 04:56.39 | shingouz | toukitsune: Ericssons and Samsungs can have a cable and power at the same time and at least the Ericsson K500i is a very neat thing |
| 04:57.04 | ardy | Can I 'undelete' a file? |
| 04:57.15 | deadcat | ardy: depends how you delete it. |
| 04:57.15 | shingouz | ardy: No, not really |
| 04:57.16 | maher | ardy: what file system |
| 04:57.21 | toukitsune | well I need something where the phone can draw power from the computer or something |
| 04:57.27 | ardy | reiserfs 3 |
| 04:57.27 | trend | deadcat usermod -D /home/newhome -L username ? |
| 04:57.29 | toukitsune | if I go from cellphone |
| 04:57.34 | shingouz | toukitsune: USB? |
| 04:57.40 | deadcat | trend: let me know the result (= |
| 04:57.43 | ardy | maher,shingouz, deadcat |
| 04:57.48 | toukitsune | and I have to figure a way that the cellphone will fit in the box too |
| 04:57.54 | maher | ardy: no idea - probably not though |
| 04:57.59 | ardy | maher,shingouz, deadcat: I used rm |
| 04:58.02 | deadcat | trend: lowercase options |
| 04:58.06 | maher | ardy: make backups |
| 04:58.16 | ardy | yeah to late... |
| 04:58.28 | deadcat | ardy: you're fucked. ext3 has recover but i dont know if that command ever worked or not |
| 04:58.35 | toukitsune | cause what I am planning on doing is running gprs from the top of my house for best reception |
| 04:58.50 | toukitsune | and networking it down to my computer |
| 04:58.57 | shingouz | toukitsune: If you have USB, get an Ericsson and a USB cable for it. Leeches power off the computer, Samsungs have so far only serial cables and need the external power from some other source |
| 04:59.28 | shingouz | toukitsune: I run GPRS in my car most of the time.... works well enough |
| 04:59.54 | deadcat | why arent there more people trying to rev engineer the damn broadcom wireless drivers? |
| 05:00.18 | toukitsune | well there is GPRS service here there isn't great service at my house except ontop of the house |
| 05:00.45 | toukitsune | I just rather it had been in a card to be free and save space |
| 05:00.58 | Azar | some alsa-related packages have been rejected as "broken": apmd discover discover1 hotplug udev and alsa-oss |
| 05:01.12 | shingouz | toukitsune: Incidentally you want to get a very new GPRS phone, they have a faster connection and afaik only Ericsson has a charging USB cable you can use for data simultaneously. They also have jacks for external antennas ;) |
| 05:01.16 | deadcat | Azar: you sure you have sid? and debian? works fine here. |
| 05:01.25 | trend | deadcat usermod -d /var/www/ -L username worked |
| 05:01.26 | trend | thanks! |
| 05:01.39 | deadcat | cooldadeo |
| 05:01.39 | Azar | deadcat, I am just testing Sarge limits regarding with what packages can be used |
| 05:01.52 | deadcat | Azar: ah. |
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| 05:02.00 | deadcat | !break debian |
| 05:02.13 | The_Universe | hi everyone |
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| 05:02.19 | Azar | so it seems that alsa will not behave good under Sarge |
| 05:02.21 | deadcat | hi tim. |
| 05:02.24 | The_Universe | hey has anyone here tried ubuntu? |
| 05:02.30 | The_Universe | how is it compared to debian? |
| 05:02.34 | deadcat | The_Universe: no. is that like osX? |
| 05:02.34 | The_Universe | i know its debian based |
| 05:02.42 | shingouz | !debian based |
| 05:02.42 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 05:02.46 | The_Universe | deadcat, its a debian based distro |
| 05:02.49 | maher | The_Universe: does ubuntu run on red hat? |
| 05:02.50 | toukitsune | oh speeking of power and data simultaneously does anyone know a way to do that with a grumin GPS? |
| 05:03.00 | deadcat | The_Universe: so its like osX right? |
| 05:03.01 | The_Universe | maher, its a distro |
| 05:03.13 | Azar | Debian-based means that it is an OS that evolved totally DIFFERENT than Debian |
| 05:03.20 | shingouz | toukitsune: I guess you need to plug it into a cigarette lighter :( |
| 05:03.32 | maher | The_Universe: maybe the people in #ubuntu run ubuntu |
| 05:03.43 | The_Universe | i was wondering if anyone tried it and can compare how it stacks up to debian? |
| 05:03.57 | toukitsune | only problem is the plug for the data is also the same plug for the power |
| 05:03.59 | deadcat | The_Universe: both sucks compare to osX. |
| 05:04.04 | deadcat | The_Universe: buy a Mac |
| 05:04.13 | The_Universe | deadcat, nah im not a big mac fan |
| 05:04.19 | maher | The_Universe: don't listen to deadcat - he has an amiga |
| 05:04.30 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 05:04.32 | shingouz | toukitsune: The nearest PepBoys and get a splitter for cig lighter? That is what I do |
| 05:04.45 | deadcat | !confuse The_Universe |
| 05:04.46 | dpkg | No, how are your pants yesterday, The_Universe? lederhosen of the republic of mongolia with extra anchovies |
| 05:05.08 | toukitsune | shingouz: no I mean the plug on the GPS |
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| 05:05.14 | deadcat | maher: m-a a-i hostap yet? |
| 05:05.20 | bykte | how do i create a tar or a zip file from a folder? |
| 05:05.43 | deadcat | m-a is so cool. i dont have to do the old debian/rules blah blah blah anymore hehe |
| 05:05.48 | toukitsune | the plug on the GPS has the power and the data pins in it but when useing serial there is no external power |
| 05:05.49 | deadcat | bykte: man tar |
| 05:06.00 | shingouz | toukitsune: It doesnt support data and power at the same time? Eeeek! /me would scoot off to the store at that point |
| 05:06.15 | bykte | deadcat, zip? |
| 05:06.21 | deadcat | bykte: no one use zip |
| 05:06.32 | shingouz | toukitsune: So what you are saying is that you cannot connect external power to the thing at all if it runs data? |
| 05:06.44 | toukitsune | 4 pins. 2 data and 2 power but the cables that go to it only take power or data |
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| 05:07.05 | mith | The_Universe: deadcat's right, you should buy a mac |
| 05:07.08 | shingouz | toukitsune: Damn. Could the cable be hacked somehow? |
| 05:07.23 | deadcat | mith: finally someone agrees with me hehe |
| 05:07.44 | The_Universe | i dont have money for a mac |
| 05:07.48 | JDahl | are there devs/packagers with an interest in scientific computing under python here? I need someone to take a quick look at my debian/control file, and tell me why dependencies are not working |
| 05:07.53 | deadcat | The_Universe: steal. |
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| 05:08.01 | toukitsune | probably but the only problem with me doing that is that I don't know much about serial pins and sutch. I would rather the gps be powered by the computer though |
| 05:08.02 | jasoncohen | how do i start KDE in a VNC session? |
| 05:08.12 | jasoncohen | mdk's defaults seemed to do it fine |
| 05:08.16 | deadcat | jasoncohen: tahts killer lag. |
| 05:08.28 | jasoncohen | deadcat, i'm on a local network |
| 05:08.40 | maher | deadcat: i have hostap-source and I built the modules - can i use make-kpkg to make a modules deb without a kernel source tree? |
| 05:08.43 | chealer | jasoncohen: you could try krfb |
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| 05:09.13 | deadcat | maher: just use headers then m-a a-i hostap |
| 05:09.15 | shingouz | toukitsune: Hmm... you could slap some power connector onto the GPS, I guess google has some instructions. When it comes to extracting power off the laptop to run it the PS/2 port is usually your best option |
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| 05:09.37 | freakabcd | hi all |
| 05:09.44 | toukitsune | if you could show me a diagram on how to rewire the cable so it draws power from usb and runs data on serial it would be fine |
| 05:09.59 | freakabcd | on a debian or debian based distro, how would i check if a packages is installed? |
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| 05:10.10 | deadcat | freakabcd: dpkg -l packagename |
| 05:10.19 | toukitsune | I don't have a ps/2 port on the laptop |
| 05:10.23 | jasoncohen | chealer, i've been doing it with a plain vnc server with mdk's default settings.why can't i do it in debian? |
| 05:10.33 | freakabcd | i'm writing a document for our internal wiki which kinda states how to check if a package is installed on one's system |
| 05:10.33 | shingouz | toukitsune: Uh. The only thing I can really say is to tell you to google the stuff up :( |
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| 05:10.53 | toukitsune | as it is I use a USB to serial bridge |
| 05:11.18 | freakabcd | deadcat, ah.. thank you. so dpkg -l boost. will that check is boost-devel or boost_devel or anyother boost* packages is inatlled ? |
| 05:11.21 | toukitsune | thanks anyway shingouz |
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| 05:11.25 | shingouz | toukitsune: Do you have any other use for the GPS than with the computer? |
| 05:11.30 | deadcat | freakabcd: boost* |
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| 05:11.55 | shingouz | toukitsune: ....a GPS USB mouse would be a very good thing for you in that case |
| 05:12.13 | toukitsune | gps usb mouse? |
| 05:12.22 | chealer | jasoncohen: you can most likely do it. what's your x-window-manager? |
| 05:12.25 | rajan | how to add a service in debian |
| 05:12.32 | jasoncohen | chealer, kdm |
| 05:12.35 | deadcat | rajan: what service? update-rc.d |
| 05:12.36 | pipe | rajan: rcconf |
| 05:12.37 | bykte | deadcat |
| 05:12.38 | bykte | science:~# tar -cf "[Lunar] Bleach 11-20.rar" \[Lunar\]\ Bleach\ 11-20/ |
| 05:12.39 | bykte | tar: [Lunar] Bleach 11-20.rar: Wrote only 0 of 10240 bytes |
| 05:12.39 | bykte | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 05:12.43 | bykte | why is this so? |
| 05:12.51 | shingouz | toukitsune: Yea, one of those things that look like a mouse, have no buttons, plug into USB and know where they are ;) |
| 05:12.58 | chealer | jasoncohen: that's a display manager. try # update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 05:13.09 | deadcat | bykte: tar -cf shit.tar dir/ |
| 05:13.20 | shingouz | toukitsune: Haicom at least makes them |
| 05:13.24 | toukitsune | yah but I rather not buy anything when I already have a GPS |
| 05:13.24 | bykte | that's what i did |
| 05:13.27 | deadcat | deadcat: try not to be fancy dude. |
| 05:13.32 | deadcat | then it will work |
| 05:13.35 | shingouz | toukitsune: I see your point |
| 05:13.53 | jasoncohen | *+ 2 /usr/bin/metacity |
| 05:14.25 | bykte | deadcat |
| 05:14.27 | bykte | for some reason |
| 05:14.27 | chealer | jasoncohen: kwin could be a start, but I don't think it will really start KDE |
| 05:14.30 | bykte | it wont work anymore |
| 05:14.32 | shingouz | bykte: Just so you know, tar does not make rar's never mind what you name them |
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| 05:14.45 | deadcat | shingouz: hahah |
| 05:14.54 | toukitsune | but when on the topic anyway what chipsets should I look for and what programs to use on linux? so far I been useing text only and seperateing the results |
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| 05:15.06 | shingouz | Well, it sure looks like he is trying to accomplis that |
| 05:15.14 | bykte | shingouz now what i keep getting that error |
| 05:15.17 | shingouz | toukitsune: Huh? |
| 05:15.17 | bykte | for every folder i try |
| 05:15.25 | deadcat | bykte: i dont see how that simple command will fail. unless disk full or perm denied. |
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| 05:15.31 | rajan | I have installed nessus in my ubuntu |
| 05:15.42 | deadcat | rajan: #ubuntu |
| 05:15.42 | toukitsune | shingouz: I am talking about the USB GPS units |
| 05:15.44 | rajan | just trying to add in the runlevel |
| 05:15.59 | toukitsune | and also for programs to use for GPS in general |
| 05:16.00 | rajan | yeah its a debian-distro |
| 05:16.04 | jasoncohen | chealer, i don't get this...it just worked in mdk |
| 05:16.06 | deadcat | rajan: update-rc.d defaults nessus |
| 05:16.07 | jasoncohen | what do i have to do to set it up? |
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| 05:16.11 | bykte | deadcat oh ok |
| 05:16.14 | bykte | disk full |
| 05:16.15 | bykte | sorry |
| 05:16.18 | shingouz | toukitsune: Oh, them. Haicom seems to be a good one and gpsdrive (and the website) is a very good thing |
| 05:16.19 | rajan | ok thanks |
| 05:16.21 | deadcat | bykte: bitch (= |
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| 05:16.36 | deadcat | !smite bykte |
| 05:16.38 | chealer | jasoncohen: I don't know, the vnc servers packaged all looked pretty ugly except for krfb |
| 05:16.52 | chealer | s/packaged/packages |
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| 05:17.26 | jasoncohen | the mdk tightvnc server runs kde or gnome |
| 05:17.34 | jasoncohen | or whatever window manager you use |
| 05:17.36 | freakabcd | chealer, you do realise that krfb is nothing special right? |
| 05:17.43 | deadcat | jasoncohen: check the user's .xsession or .xinitrd |
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| 05:18.09 | deadcat | jasoncohen: whats the default manager for your system? |
| 05:18.11 | freakabcd | its just the standard vncserver + the x0 patch. then kde stuff added to it |
| 05:18.14 | chealer | freakabcd: nothing special... :? I'm not sure why you say that anyway |
| 05:18.25 | freakabcd | chealer, see above ^ |
| 05:18.26 | jasoncohen | deadcat, window manager? KDE |
| 05:18.32 | maher | deadcat: well i built the modules and installed them... |
| 05:18.33 | deadcat | jasoncohen: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
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| 05:18.49 | toukitsune | I see many data formats. Garmin, grmn dgps, nmea, trcm/nmea, rtcm/text, and text out |
| 05:18.50 | mrplum | are there any xine plugins for mozilla anymore that aren't KDE based? |
| 05:18.59 | mrplum | used to be gxine I thought but I can't find it anymore |
| 05:19.00 | deadcat | maher: moment of truth. |
| 05:19.10 | jasoncohen | deadcat, gnome-session |
| 05:19.13 | shingouz | toukitsune: nmea is the important thing there |
| 05:19.14 | jasoncohen | should i change it to startkde? |
| 05:19.29 | deadcat | jasoncohen: change it to kde maybe. |
| 05:19.41 | toukitsune | I don't know too much about thoes formats and what to use on linux other then text out works when useing cat on the serial line |
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| 05:20.11 | deadcat | maher: is it USB? |
| 05:20.11 | CaT[tm] | anyone know how to make the debian sendmail makefile stop bothering with smtp auth without installing smtp auth stuff? |
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| 05:20.13 | toukitsune | nmea doesn't show anything when I use cat on the serial port |
| 05:20.14 | shingouz | toukitsune: Check gpsdrive out. You can have maps on it too you know ;) |
| 05:20.19 | maher | deadcat: yes |
| 05:20.19 | Guerin | mrplum: there are vlc and mplayer plugins |
| 05:20.34 | toukitsune | gpsdrive? |
| 05:20.45 | toukitsune | program? |
| 05:20.45 | shingouz | toukitsune: Software |
| 05:20.45 | deadcat | maher: damn. should tell me earlier (=. only linux-wlan-ng. it sucks. |
| 05:20.50 | chealer | freakabcd: anyway, it must be the KDE stuff |
| 05:20.50 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: you're not going to get instructions on how to construct an open sendmail relay in here, sunshine. |
| 05:20.54 | deadcat | hostap dont support usb |
| 05:21.07 | jasoncohen | brb |
| 05:21.07 | maher | deadcat: np - anyway now i learnt about module-assistant which is very nice... |
| 05:21.08 | shingouz | toukitsune: Just apt-get it it |
| 05:21.42 | CaT[tm] | guerin: ooooo. I'll give you a cookie if you can explain where I asked for that, sunshine. |
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| 05:21.48 | deadcat | maher: sorry for leading you through a hoop. should have asked earlier hehe |
| 05:21.51 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: :) |
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| 05:21.58 | deadcat | maher: m-a rocks hehe. |
| 05:22.06 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: in answer; no, I don't know. |
| 05:22.32 | stupid_user | mm i have a problem with UML, when i try to boot an image i get: Kernel panic: outer trampoline didn't exit with SIGKILL |
| 05:22.40 | CaT[tm] | guerin: drat. :/ most bloody annoying that. this site doesn't need smtp auth and so I don't want to install it. just an extra potential security hole. :/ |
| 05:22.58 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: you're concerned about security, and yet you're installing sendmail? |
| 05:23.20 | CaT[tm] | guerin: if you can give me 3 sendmail exploits from the past 3 months I'll happily continue this conv with you. |
| 05:23.28 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:23.42 | toukitsune | would anyone know of a good crashcourse or something that would help me understand linux more like how different things are filed in different areas of the fileing system and stuff.... I don't know a whole lot about linux and want to know more so I can do more |
| 05:23.46 | CaT[tm] | 6 months? |
| 05:23.46 | maher | deadcat: does wlan really need .tmp_versions? what does it do with it? |
| 05:23.59 | Guerin | what, a MTA needs a 'sploit per month to be considered insecure, now? |
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| 05:24.43 | Guerin | toukitsune: read ESR's horribly patronising Unix and INternet Fundamentals guide |
| 05:24.47 | CaT[tm] | guerin: no. afaik sendmail had its bad run hit a few years ago and all were fixed. very little since. |
| 05:24.47 | Azar | would this command "cp /downloads/alsa-* " be apt-get alsa-* ? |
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| 05:24.57 | Guerin | toukitsune: /msg dpkg fundamentals |
| 05:25.07 | CaT[tm] | guerin: there's a point where you should be able to say 'they got their shit together'. |
| 05:25.15 | dotCOMmie | whats the best way of removing exim under debian (I use qmail instead) |
| 05:25.20 | Azar | oh i am so stupid |
| 05:25.21 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: fair play. I mostly hate it because of the config language. |
| 05:25.24 | deadcat | maher: no clue. i compile my own kernel so i have the real tree, and it compiles. never got it to compile using headers, if you get it to work. try this script. works fine for me: http://deadcat.katzeye.com/index.php?SCREEN=hack&ID=prism2-wifi |
| 05:25.33 | ethics | jasoncohen, hey ja did you get your mythtv working? |
| 05:25.35 | CaT[tm] | guerin: if not for m4 I'd be using something else. :) |
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| 05:25.42 | jasoncohen | ethics, i got it working yesterday |
| 05:25.47 | Guerin | goddamn, what is it with people and stupid mtas right now |
| 05:26.04 | ethics | jasoncohen, what pvr? and did you use xawtv at all? |
| 05:26.06 | jasoncohen | ethics, are you having problems? |
| 05:26.21 | jasoncohen | ethics, my backend is on mdk 2005 LE- i have a bttv card and a pvr-250 |
| 05:26.27 | jasoncohen | and i didn't use xawtv |
| 05:26.27 | toukitsune | its just that I am willing to learn just that I have no idea where to start and realy trying to keep myself from going back to windows as even though I am limmited I find that there is fewer problems then I ever experenced with windows..... |
| 05:26.37 | ethics | jasoncohen, yeah just a few....cant get the pvr to detect right i think i need to trial and error with ivtv |
| 05:26.48 | Guerin | dotCOMmie: qmail in debian is hard, because Herr Bernstein refuses to license it sanely. So effectively what you have to do is use trickery to convince your system that there's actually a MTA installed. |
| 05:26.57 | toukitsune | With windows I ended up having to reformat and reinstall every month or else everything started going to blah |
| 05:26.57 | jasoncohen | ethics, which card do you have? |
| 05:27.10 | ethics | jasoncohen, im a pvr-150 so its probably very similar to the 250 setups |
| 05:27.28 | Guerin | dotCOMmie: in non-free, there is qmail-src or something; it's a source tarball a la djb, plus a script to build and install it. But if you want my advice, use postfix. |
| 05:27.28 | freakabcd | umm.. is there a website where i can search for debian packages? |
| 05:27.33 | Guerin | !pdo |
| 05:27.33 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 05:27.43 | freakabcd | thanks. |
| 05:27.49 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: m4? |
| 05:27.49 | ethics | jasoncohen, i think the tuner type autoconfigs wrong so ill have to play with modrobe options |
| 05:27.54 | jasoncohen | ethics, the 150 isn't supported as well. it's much newer |
| 05:28.06 | dotCOMmie | Guerin: that I understand I was wondering what the trickery involved. I removed the exim daemon and re-did the links so that sendmail pointed to qmail this worked for a while but then just stopped |
| 05:28.08 | shingouz | toukitsune: Isn't it relaxing to actually do something with the computer instead of trying to keep it running |
| 05:28.09 | CaT[tm] | guerin: it's a macro language sendmail uses. it's more user friendly. |
| 05:28.10 | jasoncohen | ethics, you're using ivtv .3 ck drivers, right? |
| 05:28.10 | maher | deadcat: i guess i was hoping to find a usb adapter that didn't require me to leave a kernel tree on my mum's machine - at least its better than the current usb adapter which actually required me to patch the kernel... |
| 05:28.21 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: oh, I see. |
| 05:28.25 | jasoncohen | deadcat, i'm getting nowhere with this vnc |
| 05:28.34 | jasoncohen | i can get one terminal window. |
| 05:28.40 | jasoncohen | i don't get why vnc sucks so much here |
| 05:28.42 | deadcat | maher: orinoco_usb (=. it uses headers or tree. both works. |
| 05:28.42 | ethics | jasoncohen, yeah they have it almost right in the 3.3 dev releases but i was trying the 2.2 stables...ill go up to 3.2 or whatever tonight |
| 05:28.57 | toukitsune | yes it is. linux is a little hard but thats because its new to me and I don't fully understand it but I have seen its power |
| 05:28.58 | jasoncohen | ethics, .2 won't work with the pvr-250 |
| 05:29.00 | deadcat | jasoncohen: i am stump. i never use vnc (= |
| 05:29.07 | jasoncohen | your using chris kennedy's drivers, right? |
| 05:29.11 | Guerin | !your |
| 05:29.12 | dpkg | [your] the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 05:29.24 | maher | deadcat: yah - i couldn't find one of those for < $20 bucks last time i was shopping tho.. :) |
| 05:29.39 | jasoncohen | Guerin, thanks for the grammer lesson. It's 1:30 AM and i''m half asleep |
| 05:29.45 | Guerin | !grammer |
| 05:29.45 | dpkg | it's grammar, dammit, unless you're talking about Kelsey. |
| 05:29.48 | ethics | jasoncohen, ivtv.sourceforge.org ones |
| 05:29.49 | deadcat | maher: ya (=.. the damn usb prism are cheap but you get what you pay for. |
| 05:29.50 | dotCOMmie | Guerin: qmail is installed and running no problems I just dont want exim to steal my links |
| 05:29.59 | jasoncohen | Guerin, heh, :), i thought that would piss you off |
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| 05:30.15 | freakabcd | ok, i still don;t know which package has libboost.so |
| 05:30.22 | Guerin | dotCOMmie: apt-get install equivs; read the doc to see how to create a dummy package which will allow you to remove exim. |
| 05:30.25 | maher | !find libbost.so |
| 05:30.26 | freakabcd | the dynamic lib to link against.. for boosr |
| 05:30.28 | maher | !find libboost.so |
| 05:30.38 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libbost.so' returned no results. |
| 05:30.42 | freakabcd | i have found a libboost-dev |
| 05:30.42 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libboost.so' returned no results. |
| 05:30.48 | freakabcd | but it doesn;t have the dynamic lib |
| 05:30.51 | maher | CaT[tm]: no each user has a corresponding group |
| 05:30.56 | dotCOMmie | Guerin: sounds good, thanks for the tip |
| 05:31.01 | freakabcd | only headers and static lib in that libboost-dev package |
| 05:31.07 | CaT[tm] | maher: not from what I've seen. |
| 05:31.11 | deadcat | maher: what kernel you using on your ma's system? linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.27-2-686 - drivers for wireless prism2 cards |
| 05:31.23 | ethics | jasoncohen, i got myth up and running no probs im jyust having issues getting the card to tune channels using ptune |
| 05:31.59 | maher | deadcat: actually that's a good point - I should just run a 2.4 kernel - i don't think there's any hw not supported by 2.4 |
| 05:32.04 | deadcat | maher: try apt-get.org for some luck. |
| 05:32.11 | jasoncohen | ethics, ask on #mythtv-users for the link to chris kennedy's driver |
| 05:32.17 | jasoncohen | it's much better |
| 05:32.19 | ethics | jasoncohen, i believe that i should get some sort of picture using it and sycling channels but so far static ....trying bifferent tuner numbers or differen ivtv .. |
| 05:32.21 | freakabcd | so maher? which package do you think has libboost.so ? |
| 05:32.36 | jasoncohen | ethics, i just did make and make install and it worked with his drivers |
| 05:32.43 | freakabcd | the dynamic lib? don;t tell me now that its installed by default on all systems |
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| 05:33.25 | maher | deadcat: ok 2.4 will be tried - when i am on the right continent... |
| 05:33.33 | deadcat | hehe. |
| 05:33.39 | Guerin | maher: i feel your pain |
| 05:33.40 | maher | freakabcd: no idea |
| 05:33.43 | ethics | jasoncohen, im downloading 3.4 atm from ivtv.tv bull ill grab a few to try with |
| 05:34.20 | maher | CaT[tm]: create more users - see what happens |
| 05:34.21 | Guerin | maher: choose her apps wisely. i'm currently having to try and debug evilution remotely, because it's stopped working with an inexplicable error |
| 05:34.39 | CaT[tm] | maher: I think it's because I use useradd and not adduser |
| 05:34.41 | freakabcd | oh man.. i'm trying to help users (of our software) to install boost and boost-python as they are prequisite for our software |
| 05:34.54 | ethics | jasoncohen, haha ivtv.tv is where chris hides his driverrs heh |
| 05:35.15 | maher | Guerin: heh - i did a remote upgrade - "its different" how? "dunno, just different" - turned out somehow i had switched desktops from kde to gnome... |
| 05:35.40 | jasoncohen | ethics, ah, there it is |
| 05:36.00 | jasoncohen | i'm using 0.2.0-rc3e i think |
| 05:36.12 | shingouz | freakabcd: Have you already tried apt-cache search libboost ? |
| 05:36.38 | Guerin | maher: yipes |
| 05:36.59 | Guerin | maher: my old mum is on xfce4 with mostly gnome apps and a very limited UI that even she can't break |
| 05:37.14 | deadcat | maher: is the machine unstable? |
| 05:37.14 | maher | freakabcd: do you have any libboost.something? libboost.so is probably just a symlink to the lib |
| 05:37.36 | maher | deadcat: sarge - soon to be stable sarge i hope... |
| 05:37.44 | exobyte | how can I use find to find all files < say, 1mb? |
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| 05:37.53 | lehel | hi |
| 05:37.59 | lehel | somebody use Ksirc? |
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| 05:38.10 | shingouz | lehel: Do not poll |
| 05:38.24 | maher | Guerin: she didn't seem to bothered in fact - i think she's still using gnome - this cracks me up given the gnome/kde debates - my mum doesn't actually care... |
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| 05:38.47 | jm_ | exobyte: info find |
| 05:39.04 | deadcat | maher: ah. but how would you go from sarge(testing) to sarge(stable) when its stable? since your are in testing |
| 05:39.08 | exobyte | jm_: I know how to rtfm it |
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| 05:39.48 | ethics | jasoncohen, i was surprised to have so much issues witht he pvr-150...the 500 configed no probs and thats just 2x 150s |
| 05:39.54 | maher | Guerin: i gave her thunderbird for email for some random config option reason i forget now - thunderbird was the only which had feature foo which was so important i've completely forgotten - seems to work ok |
| 05:40.04 | jm_ | exobyte: so why are you asking then? |
| 05:40.09 | maher | deadcat: i have sarge in sources.list |
| 05:40.11 | freakabcd | shingouz, please do realise that i am _not_ on a debian box and also do not have access to one. |
| 05:40.28 | exobyte | jm_: uhhh |
| 05:40.35 | deadcat | maher: oh. hehe. |
| 05:40.35 | freakabcd | maher, wait i'll get you the correct lib name (with ver) from another distro |
| 05:40.43 | shingouz | freakabcd: Please do realise that I am not psychic and cannot tell what you are running there |
| 05:40.51 | deadcat | rajan: dont mesg me. i will murder you |
| 05:41.00 | freakabcd | shingouz, all you need to know is i'm not on debian |
| 05:41.12 | freakabcd | which is quite clear from my earlier statements |
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| 05:41.17 | maher | Guerin: every now and then she gets a bad password error - i suspect this is the isp failing in some way - very sporadic - trying reconnecting usually fixes it |
| 05:41.26 | Guerin | maher: heh. I decided on tbird as well, but at that time it was flakey as hell |
| 05:41.43 | freakabcd | anyway, lets stop this crap of what i am running. i just want to help out users who might be running debian |
| 05:42.08 | Guerin | maher: yeah, mum gets that too - some caching issue in evo, because I KNOW my imap server is good. The problem now is something like "failed TLS negotiation" |
| 05:42.14 | maher | Guerin: i was a bit worried it would be - but no problems so far - also i don't update the machine very often to try and limit regressions |
| 05:42.17 | Guerin | what a worthless error message THAT is. |
| 05:42.33 | rajan | <deadcat> Oh great |
| 05:42.44 | Guerin | maher: yeah, same. She's on sarge, and she's online maybe an hour a day, on 56k, so I don't think security's that big a deal. |
| 05:42.56 | deadcat | rajan: damn straight (= |
| 05:43.09 | shingouz | freakabcd: I did not start any crap about you running what. I asked if you have tried the command as dpkg seems to return quite some hits with find libboost. Look for libboost not libboost.so then check for the package contents if necessary |
| 05:43.21 | rajan | deadcat: cool :) |
| 05:43.43 | maher | Guerin: my mum has adsl but it all goes through the router, and there are no services running, so she'd hve to hit a browser exploit somehow... |
| 05:43.44 | terryc | hmm, apt-get update produces Reading Package Lists E: Dynamic Nmap ran out of room.. Any clues? |
| 05:44.04 | shingouz | !nmap |
| 05:44.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nmap is at http://www.insecure.org/nmap or a handy and useful security tool that will scan for open ports or able to determine the targets operating system in most cases. |
| 05:44.08 | maher | terryc: you ran out of memory... |
| 05:44.36 | terryc | arg, will see if I can rustle up another stick |
| 05:44.38 | shingouz | !mmap terryc |
| 05:44.42 | shingouz | !mmap |
| 05:44.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 05:44.43 | maher | terryc: how much ram? |
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| 05:45.28 | terryc | onyl 128Mb + 256Mb swap |
| 05:45.48 | shingouz | terryc: Sroll up a couple of lines |
| 05:45.52 | maher | terryc: that should be enough - do you have lots of entries in sources.list? |
| 05:46.06 | maher | terryc: and are you short of swap? top will tell you |
| 05:46.15 | terryc | 7cdroms + 3 for stable + 1 for unstable |
| 05:46.51 | deadcat | test: http://deadcat.katzeye.com/index.php?SCREEN=visitor |
| 05:46.55 | maher | terryc: apt-get wants to load the whole lot into ram so if you have lots of other stuff eating memory you may run short |
| 05:47.18 | maher | terryc: i get those errors when xmms has memory leaked and filled up swap... |
| 05:47.22 | chealer | finally, I think I'm going to have a reason to compile a kernel :-P |
| 05:47.29 | deadcat | cool. blocked the stupid irssiUrlLog bot hehe |
| 05:47.31 | Guerin | maher: yeah, not too hard if she's not into too much porn, etc. |
| 05:47.36 | Guerin | err |
| 05:47.38 | Guerin | not too easy |
| 05:47.42 | nn | anyone have any good references for say setting up a selective debian mirror (all packages as binaries for selected architectures and source), build and insert into it an optional set of alternative forms of a package set (they have to be used as a set), generating install cd images, and making jigdo files? I'd love it if i could have the entire tree, excluding say compile dirs and lockfiles arranged such that it could be retrieved via ftp or |
| 05:48.00 | nn | whoa.. that should have split to two messages |
| 05:48.53 | maher | Guerin: heh - i knew what you meant - the only thing I couldn't get to work was one of bank sites that only seems to work with the latest sun java for windows - the latest sun java for linux wouldn't work with the site.. |
| 05:49.35 | nn | that'd seriously help with my current project to create a debian based distribution for our internal use which simply offers alternatively built (security hardened) packages |
| 05:49.35 | rob_lt | What are you guys/gals planning on doing once sarge goes stable? If I keep my sources.list file pointed at "testing" repos instead of "sarge repos", will I then start to upgrade to what sid is now? |
| 05:49.51 | maher | nn: i think apt-proxy is meant to do somehing like that |
| 05:50.06 | maher | rob_lt: yes - replace testing with sarge now |
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| 05:51.27 | nn | maher: i'm just trying to i guess find either someone's configs as an example or maybe a brief howto :) it'd be nice since it would reduce the amount of work on me considerably to where i could provide support for the local users and still be very debian |
| 05:51.30 | rob_lt | maher: aren't some people planning on staying with testing? Will my system suddenly become less stable? |
| 05:51.41 | Guerin | maher: goddamn, that's pretty last year. |
| 05:52.04 | jasoncohen | lol, i did it |
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| 05:52.08 | jasoncohen | i got kde in vnc |
| 05:52.10 | Guerin | maher: my mum's bank works fine in plain html - it's all server-side, you only need a ssl-capable browser which does frames. |
| 05:52.33 | Guerin | !sarge upgrade path |
| 05:52.33 | jasoncohen | very cool |
| 05:52.33 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades will work once sarge stabilises: If your sources.list says "woody", you'll stay with woody. If it says "sarge", you'll upgrade to sarge. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to sarge, the new stable. If it says "testing", your sarge box will upgrade to etch, the new testing. Any questions? |
| 05:52.39 | maher | nn: try http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:52.57 | nn | maher: Yea, it's -sorta- what i want, but doesn't cover a lot of parts of what i need |
| 05:53.00 | maher | Guerin: this particular bank have a very rubbish web site... |
| 05:53.09 | deadcat | anyone got some window/deskto manager screenshot? yours. not shits from lynucs.org or something liek that. |
| 05:53.18 | jasoncohen | deadcat, all i had to do was add startkde & to my ~/.vnc/xstartup script |
| 05:53.22 | shingouz | Remains to be seen ho badly Sid will be borked after Sarge releases |
| 05:53.34 | deadcat | jasoncohen: hahaha. cool. |
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| 05:53.53 | Azar | what package I need for "zip" ? |
| 05:54.00 | deadcat | zip |
| 05:54.09 | nn | i need to make sure that it's arranged such that the alternative packages could be pulled into an existing debian system of same level without much trouble |
| 05:54.12 | Azar | :P I am so dumb, thanks deadcat |
| 05:54.15 | liable | funny about that :) unzip too |
| 05:54.17 | deadcat | Azar: why you want zip anyway |
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| 05:54.37 | k3k0 | yo |
| 05:54.44 | CaT[tm] | ARGH! |
| 05:54.46 | maher | nn: if you upload the debs to the proxy they just sit there and anyone can apt-get them |
| 05:54.49 | nn | i really don't want to have to support or maintain a fork from debian, but i'd like to offset the local package downloads by keeping it local |
| 05:54.58 | k3k0 | is sarge still stable :) |
| 05:54.59 | k3k0 | ? |
| 05:54.59 | jasoncohen | shingouz, why will sid be borked? |
| 05:55.08 | nn | maher: yea, but can it build all our packages from just source + patches + dsc's? |
| 05:55.15 | shingouz | jasoncohen: Just a hunch |
| 05:55.16 | nn | that'd help us massively |
| 05:55.20 | rob_lt | Guerin: thanks for that. That confirm what I expected to happen. My question is, are most people going to stay with sarge, or let their machines upgrade to etch? Kind of a hard question to answer, but I'm wondering what the general concession is among "those in the know". |
| 05:55.27 | shingouz | !topicsmite k3k0 |
| 05:55.28 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon k3k0. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:55.55 | nn | save a lot of bandwith and still let everyone here follow debian as they chose to |
| 05:56.14 | nn | make sense? |
| 05:56.29 | k3k0 | miauu |
| 05:56.33 | maher | nn: try katie :) |
| 05:56.46 | nn | maher: she dumped me :( |
| 05:57.03 | deadcat | lynch the troll |
| 05:57.08 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.10 | shingouz | Not yet |
| 05:57.35 | nn | i was really hoping that maybe there was a package or such which would set up a system to do so how debian.org does it |
| 05:57.37 | maher | nn: katie is notoriously undocumented and hard to set up |
| 05:57.43 | nn | maher: I've noticed... |
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| 05:58.18 | nn | i'm working for a small school who doesn't have much money nor resources but many machines to maintain which students and faculty use for the entire term they are there |
| 05:58.28 | Azar | oohkk it seems like alsa is not working I might not set it up properly in xmms? |
| 05:58.39 | Guerin | rob_lt: i think most people will stick with sarge until new verion of $thig_they_want_or_read_about_on_slashdot comes out, then come in here whining about how old debian is and how they want to upgrade |
| 05:58.41 | maher | nn: apt-cache show dak <-- i assume you read that |
| 05:59.02 | Guerin | !shoot Guerin's typist |
| 05:59.06 | nn | i'd rather not restrict the users ability to customize as they like, at the same time it'd be bad to have to download a huge amount of source + packages for many archs |
| 05:59.15 | ethics | shingouz, hey shin i got my ich6 sound working.on 2.6.8 kernel as the 2.8.11 errored on boot |
| 05:59.38 | CaT[tm] | wtf? cucipop was dropped from debian? |
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| 05:59.45 | ethics | shingouz, the trick is apt-get install alsa-source and running the installer from that |
| 05:59.48 | Guerin | nn: what you want is either apt-proxy, or even squid. |
| 05:59.49 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.05 | k3k0 | whats latest unstable debian ? |
| 06:00.07 | jasoncohen | ah, now i got vnc to startup just like my X does |
| 06:00.10 | k3k0 | :) |
| 06:00.18 | shingouz | ethics: Good to know, maybe I remebner it the next time someone asks ;) |
| 06:00.21 | rob_lt | Guerin: that seems reasonable. I wanted to know because I installed debian for my father (I'm not 13 btw, he is a telecomm prof and wants to learn linux), so I want to know what would be best for him. I don't mind re-installing if I bork something up. |
| 06:00.22 | Guerin | k3k0: sid |
| 06:00.22 | jasoncohen | k3k0, sid |
| 06:00.26 | CaT[tm] | gah. dovecot insists on installing mysql shit. grrr. |
| 06:00.30 | maher | nn: how standard are you source packages? could you just write a cron job that calls pbuilder and makes new stuff? |
| 06:00.34 | k3k0 | where we can download dat |
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| 06:00.49 | shingouz | k3k0: You do nto want to install Sid |
| 06:00.56 | nn | Guerin: i want to just grab source + patches + dsc files for stable and testing, and build locally the packages for i386 and ppc, then there'd be differences to a few packages sets i manually maintain |
| 06:01.00 | Guerin | rob_lt: probably best to stick with sarge until he hits its newness boundaries - if he does. |
| 06:01.05 | k3k0 | yeea |
| 06:01.06 | nn | maher: they'd be mirrored off ftp.debian.org |
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| 06:01.15 | Guerin | nn: oh, sorry; I missed that bit. |
| 06:01.23 | nn | i could do differential mirroring maybe with say rsync to handle it |
| 06:01.24 | deadcat | one of these days man. i am gonna get a macmini FREE |
| 06:01.26 | k3k0 | NEED SID!! -.- |
| 06:01.26 | shingouz | Is there a trollish smell here? |
| 06:01.32 | maher | rob_lt: for remote machines you may have to fix stable is probably the best bet... |
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| 06:01.36 | nn | Guerin: yea i had a very long first message which may have been shortened |
| 06:01.47 | Guerin | k3k0: you can't get it. To install sid you have to pass a test. |
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| 06:01.51 | nn | i've been working on this a few days now and can't really get it working.. |
| 06:02.00 | Guerin | nn: naw, I just haven't been paying much attention :) |
| 06:02.00 | maher | nn: sorry - i meant the altered sources - how are they arranged? |
| 06:02.01 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 06:02.03 | ethics | shingouz : how to add a factoid for it considering that its going to be an ongoing sarge thing.. |
| 06:02.08 | KerPlunk | k3k0: ready for the test? |
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| 06:02.17 | liable | dont feed it |
| 06:02.35 | nn | got the virtual chroots i need working now to setup the mirror to allow everyone to setup their customized virtual server |
| 06:02.36 | shingouz | ethics: I have never added a factoid yet. Sounds like a good idea though |
| 06:02.39 | k3k0 | yeaa |
| 06:02.46 | Guerin | k3k0: ok, here's the test: |
| 06:02.56 | k3k0 | okey comeoon!! |
| 06:03.08 | nn | maher: any way they need to be, i can arrange as needed, it's just security hardened or otherwise optimized packages |
| 06:03.08 | simonrvn | FUBAR your libc6, and let,s see you recover from it |
| 06:03.15 | KerPlunk | k3k0: first you must join the test channel... |
| 06:03.20 | KerPlunk | Where we give users the "test" |
| 06:03.20 | ethics | shingouz, ill chase up how to do that sometime...im sure cafuego or someone will know how eheh |
| 06:03.22 | Guerin | k3k0: you have 60 minutes to figure out how to download and install sid on your own using only the resources contained at http://debian.org |
| 06:03.23 | KerPlunk | /join #2,000 |
| 06:03.28 | Guerin | k3k0: good luck :) |
| 06:03.31 | nn | mostly kept as alternatives for official ones |
| 06:03.36 | shingouz | ethics: I think so too |
| 06:03.43 | k3k0 | NEED BACKUP!! -.- |
| 06:03.45 | simonrvn | i like mine better ;) |
| 06:03.51 | k3k0 | Roger dat!! |
| 06:03.59 | maher | k3k0: just remember stuff.... |
| 06:04.01 | KerPlunk | k3k0: join the test channel...we're waiting. |
| 06:04.02 | Guerin | k3k0: ok, you can have 90 minutes, since your capslock key is busted. |
| 06:04.02 | nn | i really don't like being called a troll when i've asked shorter questions many times about it and been ignored, thus chosen to ask for the entire thing |
| 06:04.17 | k3k0 | :D |
| 06:04.28 | simonrvn | (and yes, mine's doable) |
| 06:04.28 | shingouz | nn: Not you |
| 06:04.37 | liable | nn: if you are referring to my comment, it wasnt directed at you |
| 06:04.39 | nn | we have a pretty slow connection and about 28 students to train linux administration to |
| 06:04.47 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.11 | nn | sorry, people are usually rather abrasive here and i tend not to stay long because of it |
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| 06:05.21 | liable | :) |
| 06:05.23 | nnnnn | shingouz, you smell something fishy? |
| 06:05.30 | shingouz | nn: Us? Abrasive? naaaah ;) |
| 06:05.37 | KerPlunk | I smell a pork product of some sort. |
| 06:05.37 | shingouz | nnnnn: Trollish |
| 06:05.38 | Guerin | nn: i'd ask this on one of the mailing lists - probably debian-devel, though there might be one specifically for things like this. |
| 06:05.42 | KerPlunk | It might be bacon...I'm not sure. |
| 06:05.45 | nn | but i'm wanting to reduce load on debian mirrors and us. also to provide our hardened packages to our students |
| 06:06.00 | nn | it's a small project of mine |
| 06:06.02 | k3k0 | STICK TOGETHER TEAM!! |
| 06:06.04 | maher | nn: why can't you have a dir src/ somewhere with a bunch of source dirs and timestamps, run a cron job that checks the timestamps and runs pbuilder on the sources and uploads the resulting debs to apt-proxy? |
| 06:06.13 | nnnnn | nn is right, people here are abrasive, pain-in-the-arse. |
| 06:06.17 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.17 | shingouz | k3k0: Just take the test |
| 06:06.18 | Guerin | nn: lists.debian.org - the reason being that most of the people who use and maintain the debian archive software have better things to do than idle in #debian :) |
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| 06:06.20 | simonrvn | k31th: do you mind easing off on the all caps? |
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| 06:06.39 | nn | maher: i've just not thought of a very clean way for this to work |
| 06:06.42 | k3k0 | shingouz: where man ? i need netinst image |
| 06:06.50 | Guerin | k3k0: you only have 87 minutes left. Get going. |
| 06:06.50 | maher | nn: katie does that - except in a slightly more sophisticated manner... :) |
| 06:06.52 | jcohen | what controls the screen you see before gdm/kdm start? |
| 06:06.54 | nn | i've got my /org/debian/ mirrored via debmirror |
| 06:06.55 | shingouz | !tell k3k0 about d-i |
| 06:07.10 | jcohen | it looks like a checkered background with a circle for a mouse pointer |
| 06:07.13 | nn | maher: maybe i'll have to get a better look at her ;) |
| 06:07.16 | simonrvn | slightly? |
| 06:07.30 | Guerin | jcohen: the X server |
| 06:07.32 | simonrvn | nn: apt-get install dak |
| 06:07.37 | nn | simonrvn: yeup doing it now :) |
| 06:07.42 | k3k0 | shingouz: dis i was shearching for ;) |
| 06:07.42 | simonrvn | close enough for rock&roll |
| 06:07.48 | maher | nn: with apt-proxy you don't even need your own deb mirror - and katie is not considered lightweight or easy to use |
| 06:07.51 | nn | got my debmirror running |
| 06:07.56 | k3k0 | ROGER THAT!! thanx |
| 06:08.05 | deadcat | 10-4 |
| 06:08.05 | jcohen | Guerin, can i configure what that screen looks like? are there choices? |
| 06:08.15 | nn | maher: i wanna do the mirror so that i can work on the hardening more too :) |
| 06:08.21 | shingouz | 13-4 as a matter of fact ;) |
| 06:08.27 | simonrvn | 42-3 |
| 06:08.52 | nnnnn | KerPlunk, have you figure it out? |
| 06:08.53 | simonrvn | (yes, i'm making it up) |
| 06:08.53 | k3k0 | is i386 good for laptop or somethink else?? |
| 06:08.55 | Guerin | jcohen: probably, but I don't know how. |
| 06:08.56 | maher | nn: if you learn how katie works you get to volunteer to be an ftpmaster too... |
| 06:09.06 | Coke | jcohen: there are dozens of window managers and no less than three desktop systems available in Debian = you can make it look very cool if you wish |
| 06:09.07 | simonrvn | riiight |
| 06:09.11 | deadcat | k3k0: uname -m |
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| 06:09.18 | shingouz | k3k0: i386 is for Intel processors |
| 06:09.19 | Coke | jcohen: if you're talking about X. |
| 06:09.22 | nn | i'm hoping to get this all working nicely with least maintenance to the mirror + package autogen as possible |
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| 06:09.30 | Guerin | jcohen: oh, you might just run xsetroot -solid black; for example; immediately on x server startup |
| 06:09.33 | nn | i can dedicate a few machines to it |
| 06:09.42 | k3k0 | deadcat, shingouz i got ibm t30 m pIV 2 ghz |
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| 06:09.48 | nn | maher: i've got 128kbit upstream lol |
| 06:09.49 | k3k0 | i386 right ? |
| 06:09.53 | deadcat | k3k0: 686 |
| 06:09.55 | shingouz | k3k0: What do you think? |
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| 06:10.02 | Guerin | Coke: he's on about the gret hatch which is the default xserver background |
| 06:10.02 | k3k0 | dat inteel |
| 06:10.05 | nn | we're 6mbit/128kbit cable to the campus lol |
| 06:10.11 | shingouz | k3k0: Excellent |
| 06:10.14 | Guerin | nn: yikes. |
| 06:10.15 | nn | soon to be 6mbit/512kbit but still bad |
| 06:10.30 | nn | they're installing amps to improve upstream shortly |
| 06:10.35 | k3k0 | deadcat: why 686? dont lie bitch |
| 06:10.36 | jcohen | Guerin, thanks |
| 06:10.37 | jcohen | i'll try tht |
| 06:10.40 | shingouz | nn: I have more for this desktop for crying out loud |
| 06:10.41 | jcohen | *that |
| 06:10.46 | nn | Guerin: campus is about 18 miles from civilization |
| 06:10.49 | deadcat | k3k0: 686 fucker. type uname -m |
| 06:10.51 | nn | shingouz: yea it's a small project |
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| 06:11.02 | maher | nn: actually - i think you want mini-dinstall |
| 06:11.11 | nn | maher: will look at |
| 06:11.13 | Guerin | k3k0: hey now. We're playing nice with you, why don't you play nice with us? |
| 06:11.18 | nnnnn | deadcat, stop the vulgarity?! |
| 06:11.25 | k3k0 | deadcat: i got windoows now :) im planning to install debian |
| 06:11.29 | deadcat | nnnnn: shut up |
| 06:11.30 | shingouz | k3k0: The instll media you need is the i386, not ppc or sparc |
| 06:11.37 | deadcat | k3k0: oh. then i386. |
| 06:11.39 | k3k0 | Guerin: yeha be nice all ;) |
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| 06:11.53 | k3k0 | deadcat: i forgive you!! |
| 06:11.54 | nnnnn | deadcat, stop the shouting! |
| 06:11.55 | simonrvn | @printf tarball |
| 06:12.06 | deadcat | nnnnn: shut your trap dude. |
| 06:12.21 | k3k0 | deadcat: shingouz thanks |
| 06:12.29 | Guerin | nnnnn: you have absolutely no cause to be pissing and moaning about how we comport ourselves in here, foo'. |
| 06:12.30 | simonrvn | ffs. trolls... |
| 06:12.34 | jcohen | hmm, that didn't work. What i would really like to do is use gdm with some type of integration between KDE & gmd (i.e logout giving the chocie to shutdown or reboot) |
| 06:12.37 | nnnnn | deadcat, shut all your gaps and holes. |
| 06:12.39 | jcohen | but i don't think that's possible |
| 06:12.40 | k3k0 | and thanks verri fucking much to all fucking channel!!! |
| 06:12.51 | deadcat | nnnnn: bitch please |
| 06:12.51 | k3k0 | sorry my english is bad :( |
| 06:12.52 | simonrvn | k3k0: have fun |
| 06:12.52 | shingouz | k3k0: Gee... nice manners |
| 06:12.58 | nnnnn | Guerin, why not? |
| 06:12.59 | Guerin | jcohen: you know... you could use kdm |
| 06:13.00 | Coke | jcohen: normally, KDE is run with kdm |
| 06:13.03 | nn | Interesting how nnnnn has a nick longer than but otherwise identical to mine |
| 06:13.08 | jcohen | Guerin, i am using kdm |
| 06:13.11 | deadcat | ops; kick them all. including me (= |
| 06:13.11 | nn | that's not nice |
| 06:13.20 | k3k0 | :) |
| 06:13.21 | Guerin | nnnnn: if you're the same fucktard as the last fucktard with your nick who was banned for doing much what you're doing now... |
| 06:13.28 | Coke | jcohen: also, like I said, there are literally thousands of way to setup a graphical environment in a X-based system. |
| 06:13.46 | Guerin | jcohen: then why are you on about gdm? what's wrong with kdm? |
| 06:13.47 | deadcat | if i can get them out the channel. i dont mind taking one for the team (= |
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| 06:14.05 | jcohen | Guerin, the default debian kdm screen is pretty ugly |
| 06:14.12 | jcohen | i should install a theme |
| 06:14.12 | liable | haha |
| 06:14.20 | Guerin | nn: yeah, I wondered if you were him for a while; but you clearly ain't. |
| 06:14.20 | deadcat | jcohen: use gdm. and gdm-themes |
| 06:14.25 | k3k0 | hmm, do sarge have xfce latest allready ?? i dont want compile by my self |
| 06:14.31 | Guerin | jcohen: so undefaulterise it. |
| 06:14.36 | nn | Guerin: no, i'm a frustrated soon to be first time teacher |
| 06:14.43 | Coke | k3k0: yes, it does. |
| 06:14.48 | nnnnn | deadcat, Guerin, fuck both of you, your mums, sis, nieces, cousins; all from the front and back. |
| 06:14.49 | nn | which is what makes this all so muc worse on me |
| 06:14.49 | positrix | k3k0: yes |
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| 06:15.02 | k3k0 | dats nice.. |
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| 06:15.12 | Coke | k3k0: "that's" |
| 06:15.12 | deadcat | Guerin: i think he was piss at you |
| 06:15.24 | Guerin | deadcat: pwn3d |
| 06:15.33 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:15.47 | Guerin | he said the same thing to abrotman yesterday |
| 06:15.52 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 06:15.53 | nn | i've not had to fool with maintaining such a thing as this since my Slackware based security hardened psuedo-distro i had to maintain for a small set of webservers, but that was just a build an image and untar it onto the machine, no packages or such except on the first machine |
| 06:16.00 | k3k0 | Coke dats same ;) |
| 06:16.12 | Guerin | k3k0: no, it's not. |
| 06:16.27 | shingouz | k3k0: Please try to use English grammar |
| 06:16.31 | nn | [ 10%] Getting: pool/main/b/bopm/bopm_3.1.2-5_i386.deb ## |
| 06:16.33 | k3k0 | allright dats not :) |
| 06:16.39 | nn | See? it goes very slow with this debmirror. |
| 06:16.44 | Coke | k3k0: it would have been more funny had you written "dats what I wrote" instead |
| 06:16.47 | nn | that was started an hour ago |
| 06:16.54 | nn | how hard would it be for me to say maybe rsync this? |
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| 06:17.07 | Coke | nn: what are you DL'ing? |
| 06:17.08 | k3k0 | Coke: :) hehe |
| 06:17.08 | Guerin | nn: not hard at all; but I expect that's what debmirror uses. |
| 06:17.20 | nn | Coke: sources and i386 binaries |
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| 06:17.41 | nn | gonna eventually build my own binary packages locally and have a debian mirror style thing going on |
| 06:17.45 | Coke | nn: oh. I usualy use the netinst because it's smaller. |
| 06:18.01 | nn | Coke: yeup, that's sorta what's gonna happen here |
| 06:18.07 | nn | i'ma netinst with my own local mirror |
| 06:18.21 | Coke | nn: what's the point of downloading several gigs of data when you only use a small percentage? |
| 06:18.22 | positrix | nn: my downloads are slow too: [ 11%] Getting: 1337_lesbian_pr0n.mpg |
| 06:18.27 | nn | and they'll all be set up w/ my chroot'd DebianOnDebian |
| 06:18.37 | k3k0 | :) |
| 06:18.48 | Coke | mmmmm, 1337 lesbian pr0n, gaaaahhrgl. |
| 06:19.15 | nn | Coke: really keeping a full source tree of stable/testing wouldnt be too big of a download really |
| 06:19.24 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.31 | nn | which is what i'm setting up now |
| 06:19.36 | Coke | nn: all I gotta say about that is PHEW! |
| 06:19.38 | nn | checking out dak, katie, and min-dinstall |
| 06:19.45 | nn | Coke: yea, nuts :) |
| 06:19.50 | k3k0 | need to listen some music.. |
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| 06:20.12 | Guerin | nn: um, sarge is about 8G per arch for each of binary and source |
| 06:20.16 | nn | Coke: combine the complexity of what i'm trying to do with preparing teaching materials |
| 06:20.20 | Guerin | nn: woody is about half that |
| 06:20.27 | nn | Guerin: that's fine i've got plent of 250gb harddives |
| 06:20.32 | Guerin | so you're looking at ~25G right there |
| 06:20.50 | Guerin | i'm not worried about hdds, I'm worried about your feeble 6 megabit connection |
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| 06:21.05 | nn | Guerin: i'll only be tracking changes |
| 06:21.17 | nn | and only to source, patches, and dsc's |
| 06:21.18 | shingouz | Guerin, nn: Just let it glow ;) |
| 06:21.19 | positrix | 6 MEGABIT??? IM ONLY ON 256K!!! |
| 06:21.24 | k3k0 | Phil Collins R000x!!! =) |
| 06:21.29 | Guerin | you poor benighted soul |
| 06:21.37 | Coke | I would die with only 6Mb :) |
| 06:21.41 | dondelelcaro | 6mbit? |
| 06:21.50 | nn | liable: 6mbit for about 30 people in class? :P |
| 06:21.59 | Guerin | liable: i'll give you a shell on my 100 megabit home box for your right gonad |
| 06:22.08 | Guerin | unlimitedx0rz! |
| 06:22.10 | nn | i do mirror maintenance outside of class hours |
| 06:22.22 | k3k0 | NP: BEE GEES - STAYIN ALIVE.MP3 |
| 06:22.23 | liable | Guerin: depends on what you are going to do with it :) |
| 06:22.32 | dondelelcaro | k3k0: turn whatever that is off, please. |
| 06:22.43 | Guerin | liable: let's just suffice to say I'll not be coming to pick it up |
| 06:22.46 | k3k0 | :D hahaha |
| 06:22.49 | jcohen | ...anyone happen to know how to install a kdm theme? |
| 06:22.51 | liable | hah |
| 06:23.03 | Coke | Guerin: we're suposed to have 100Mb conenctions here now, but from what I've heard it won't go beyond 20Mb at this time. |
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| 06:23.31 | Coke | I mean, for home connection. I sit on a giga ethernet backbone now. |
| 06:23.40 | liable | jcohen: #debian-kde #kde |
| 06:24.04 | _joey | in 1986 the backbone internet connection in US was 56Kbps |
| 06:24.08 | mac_bobby | good mornin. is it possible in linux to write ein accent to my "e" in my name "Rene" width the keyboard? if yes, how should i type? |
| 06:24.25 | shingouz | mac_bobby: Easy: é |
| 06:24.27 | Coke | Well, it's 100Mb most of the time, I guess. |
| 06:24.36 | positrix | ALT-0233 |
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| 06:24.50 | Coke | at least where I can connect my computer. |
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| 06:25.12 | nn | well |
| 06:25.12 | Coke | mac_bobby: are you talking about console or X? |
| 06:25.14 | nn | if my project goes well |
| 06:25.17 | shingouz | mac_bobby: You should have ' and ` there on the keyboard. Hit one of them first, then follow up with the e |
| 06:25.26 | nn | we'll be moved to a better campus w/ better connections |
| 06:25.26 | Azar | where could I find the location where alsa was downloaded? |
| 06:25.43 | deadcat | Azar: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 06:25.49 | Azar | thanks deadcat |
| 06:26.03 | mac_bobby | shingouz: ähm sry, but that doesn't function here! |
| 06:26.03 | deadcat | call me boris |
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| 06:26.11 | Coke | Azar: did you really mean where the package was stored locally or where did the maintainers get the upstream sources? |
| 06:26.15 | nn | i've transferred 12gb today :) |
| 06:26.18 | Guerin | Coke: i've actually gotten up to about 7.5 megabytes/sec inbound - real true proper 100 megabit. Only tested the outbound to about 3 megabytes/sec, though. |
| 06:26.59 | nn | Guerin: i hope to someday get such a happy pipe |
| 06:27.14 | shingouz | mac_bobby: Hmm. Maybe you have a different setup there then. Have you tried the odd ' and ` thingies with some letters? You shoudl have umlaut and a few others there too |
| 06:27.18 | liable | dont you mean phat :) |
| 06:27.22 | nn | yea phat |
| 06:27.28 | nn | a phat pipe |
| 06:27.33 | Azar | hmm what is the handle to use with "ls" one screenfull at the time? |
| 06:27.36 | liable | hehe |
| 06:27.45 | rob_lt | Is there a way to get dpkg, the bot, to list all the messages that are available? |
| 06:27.47 | nn | with some real sticky, crystalized ganja in it :) |
| 06:27.54 | shingouz | Azar: ls | less works |
| 06:27.57 | concept10 | anyone here using P4HT laptop with speedstep? |
| 06:27.57 | nn | Azar: ls|less |
| 06:27.57 | jetdotnet | ls |less |
| 06:28.01 | Coke | Azar: you can pipe any output to the command "less" |
| 06:28.07 | liable | rob_lt: therea a *lot* of them |
| 06:28.07 | Azar | thanks guys |
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| 06:28.15 | Guerin | nn: come to korea and teach - you too can own such bandwidth! |
| 06:28.18 | nn | less is better than more |
| 06:28.19 | hayden | how can i change computer name via terminal |
| 06:28.29 | liable | rob_lt: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 06:28.29 | positrix | mac_bobby: hold down alt and type 0233 on the num pad. that should work |
| 06:28.30 | nn | Guerin: I only speak english and very broken finnish |
| 06:28.37 | deadcat | hayden: hostname namehere |
| 06:28.37 | Guerin | i've been here 2 and a bit years, and only had to eat dog nipples once! |
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| 06:28.56 | Guerin | nn: i only speak english, and very broken korean |
| 06:29.28 | nn | Guerin: hmm |
| 06:29.35 | nn | now if i could afford to do that :) |
| 06:29.37 | nn | it'd be cool |
| 06:29.40 | hayden | thanks deadcat |
| 06:29.41 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:29.53 | nn | i'm 21, don't have my degree yet in teaching :( |
| 06:29.58 | Guerin | it sounds like you're on a good gig now - at least you have some autonomy |
| 06:30.02 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.08 | nn | and i've got experience in it |
| 06:30.12 | k3k0 | NP: BEATLES - HELP.MP3 |
| 06:30.14 | nn | and very experienced admin |
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| 06:30.25 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:30.26 | Guerin | all you need is a bachelor's in anything - fare an accomodation paid |
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| 06:30.51 | Guerin | (but I wasn't kidding about the dog nipples) |
| 06:30.54 | ding0k | hat is the chan for the debian 64 project ? |
| 06:30.56 | ding0k | *what |
| 06:31.08 | TwistedEmotions | Huh? Did I joing at a bad time? |
| 06:31.08 | dondelelcaro | ding0k: #debian-amd64 |
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| 06:31.16 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: haha. |
| 06:31.22 | shingouz | Guerin: You serious with the Bachelors? Anything? :o |
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| 06:31.23 | deadcat | awkward moment |
| 06:31.29 | nn | Guerin: i'll have that soon :) |
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| 06:31.33 | nn | gimme 18 months |
| 06:31.34 | nn | :) |
| 06:31.38 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How did you do on your final? |
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| 06:32.08 | nn | in 32 months i can have 6 associates and 2 bachellors |
| 06:32.09 | nn | lol |
| 06:32.11 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: 15min. stupid. same shit as midterm and the other exam. sad. he told us to put the grade we want on the exam (= |
| 06:32.13 | Guerin | shingouz: yes. You also have to be from one of the US, Canada, UK, Ireland, Australia, NZ or South Africa(!) |
| 06:32.24 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I got the fucking printer worked... hahahha... |
| 06:32.27 | nn | as soon as my advisor gets his act together anyways |
| 06:32.34 | shingouz | Guerin: I knew there had to be a catch |
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| 06:32.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: sweet hooker. whats the trick? |
| 06:32.43 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What? He told you to put your grade on the test? |
| 06:32.48 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:32.53 | TwistedEmotions | wtf... |
| 06:33.02 | nn | i wish my classes where like that |
| 06:33.03 | nn | but no |
| 06:33.10 | Guerin | shingouz: yeah. Koreans don't seem to believe that 3 times more people speak english fluently outside those countries as inside them. |
| 06:33.11 | nn | I have python evaluating my answers |
| 06:33.12 | TwistedEmotions | Dude... I wonder if anyone put a F at the top.. |
| 06:33.24 | deadcat | nn: we didnt learn shit. i have to teach him shits... |
| 06:33.32 | shingouz | Guerin: I see... :) |
| 06:33.34 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: VI? |
| 06:33.35 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: HAHHA. i was gonna put XXX |
| 06:33.38 | TwistedEmotions | lol |
| 06:33.48 | TwistedEmotions | he calls you for gay sex.. |
| 06:33.53 | deadcat | HHAHAHHA |
| 06:34.18 | nn | deadcat: ahh that sucks |
| 06:34.33 | nn | i learn a lot, very quickly |
| 06:34.34 | Guerin | shingouz: they also don't like to hire teachers who aren't white, and preferably with blonde hair. |
| 06:34.36 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Instead of connecting to the machine names all you had to do was connect to the IP instead... was a HELLA easy fix.. retardedly easy... |
| 06:34.40 | nn | the almighty python educates me |
| 06:34.51 | nn | it is my teacher and my test giver |
| 06:34.55 | deadcat | nn: ya. he uses nautilus to display /etc/hosts in a linux admin class. thats how crappy it is. |
| 06:35.05 | nn | deadcat: ouch |
| 06:35.11 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: dang. |
| 06:35.11 | shingouz | Guerin: I guess I should look th epart then. 6'9, white (and blonde by Korean standars) |
| 06:35.31 | nn | deadcat: i'm setting up chroots for each user to customize their virtual system |
| 06:35.34 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: oh well.. at least it's working... so did u put a A at the top? |
| 06:35.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:35.40 | Guerin | durn northies |
| 06:35.42 | nn | including breaking and recover ing it |
| 06:35.43 | deadcat | nn: nice.. |
| 06:35.53 | xydarcher | where would i find the turtorials for ftp server that debian installed? |
| 06:36.03 | xydarcher | by default? |
| 06:36.04 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya.. cant think of something funny to put. )= so put A |
| 06:36.05 | Guerin | nn: best way to learn. |
| 06:36.05 | shingouz | Guerin: Just that I have a decidedly Southern accent |
| 06:36.07 | nn | That'll also be helping to set up a distributed file system with loopback images for their system |
| 06:36.19 | nn | Guerin: that's how i learned and how they'll learn] |
| 06:36.28 | Guerin | shingouz: US? I thought you were from Finland? |
| 06:36.31 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.37 | Guerin | or is there a Southern Finnish accent? |
| 06:36.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Your teacher is dumb, |
| 06:36.42 | nn | once i get their loopback and network boot going on |
| 06:36.45 | Guerin | nn: yay! |
| 06:36.54 | prodope | i think somebody may have changed the who/w programs on a system... how would i install my own to see who is really logged on? |
| 06:36.54 | nn | they'll be setting it up with my help |
| 06:37.03 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i dont know how he got the job.. |
| 06:37.07 | shingouz | Guerin: From Finland but my English is a bit too much south of the Mason_dixon for some reason |
| 06:37.10 | nn | basicly turning the lab from monolithic full desktops to thin clients |
| 06:37.10 | bob2 | prodope: if someone has access to alter binaries in /usr/, you're fucked |
| 06:37.14 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:37.30 | nn | and i'll be keeping differential backups of the whole course |
| 06:37.39 | nn | that way i can roll it back |
| 06:37.40 | deadcat | prodope: sounds like a rootkit. |
| 06:37.42 | nn | or |
| 06:37.49 | nn | maybe just let the next class evolve it |
| 06:37.50 | Guerin | xydarcher: which package did you install? |
| 06:38.06 | nn | provide the tools to them and let them learn and improve them |
| 06:38.08 | streuner | prodope: try chkrootkit |
| 06:38.10 | prodope | i know it has been rooted... i want to find out the address of the person before i shut it down |
| 06:38.19 | nn | can't decide which approach to use for multiple classes |
| 06:38.20 | Guerin | i had a momentary spark of fear that i'd been rooted the other day, when my box was doing stupid things |
| 06:38.31 | prodope | i'm pretty sure they're still logged on |
| 06:38.33 | Guerin | turns out to be a bad nic, and some commands not getting through |
| 06:38.40 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I think to teach linux classes you just need a teaching degree and to tell them you know it because no one is smart enough to test to see if you REALLY know linux. |
| 06:38.49 | bob2 | prodope: you could try getting the w binary from the debian package running that |
| 06:38.52 | Guerin | running ping overnight told me that 14% of packets were being lost |
| 06:39.00 | bob2 | prodope: dpkg-deb -x blah.deb /tmp/blah/ |
| 06:39.02 | nn | Guerin: heh this setup is cool like that right now, it's got a chroot'd install script for each user |
| 06:39.11 | bob2 | prodope: but if they have root, they can hide in ways you can't see through |
| 06:39.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. definately a degree. |
| 06:39.20 | Guerin | nn: document! |
| 06:39.21 | nn | so they have their own login which then chroot's and respawn's login in the chroot giving their homedir |
| 06:39.23 | prodope | ok |
| 06:39.28 | nn | still very buggy |
| 06:39.29 | Guerin | nn: (even if it's just for future teachers) |
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| 06:39.31 | prodope | i'll see what i can do, thanks |
| 06:39.32 | nn | but i'm cleaning it up |
| 06:39.44 | nn | Guerin: i'll try to make documentation of it a part of the requirement |
| 06:39.52 | xydarcher | guerin,i choose the default ftp server in tunnel |
| 06:39.59 | Guerin | in tunnel? |
| 06:40.00 | xydarcher | Guerin,i choose the default ftp server in tunnel |
| 06:40.21 | Guerin | what is this 'tunnel' of which you speak? |
| 06:40.26 | nn | I gotta have security hardening in place on the host debian |
| 06:41.02 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I'm thinking about buying a mac... |
| 06:41.09 | nn | Guerin: yea, i'm writing a HOWTO on running many distros securely atop a stripped down debian w/ chroot ;) |
| 06:41.23 | nn | and doing the chroots via hostname ;) |
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| 06:41.34 | xydarcher | myabe it is not tunnel, it is the software that we can select group of packages to install |
| 06:41.36 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I want a older laptop that is decent that I can load linux onto... |
| 06:41.39 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: they one you were talking about? |
| 06:41.50 | xydarcher | Guerin,myabe it is not tunnel, it is the software that we can select group of packages to install |
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| 06:42.00 | nn | Guerin: this project is really fun for me and i can use it when i go to get a teaching job on my resume ;) |
| 06:42.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Hahahah hell no.. that's 3k... |
| 06:42.09 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: oh. laptop.. ibookG4 is 900$ + student discount |
| 06:42.21 | nn | deadcat: Eh? i want |
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| 06:42.34 | nn | what kinda discount for students? |
| 06:42.53 | deadcat | nn: $100 i think. |
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| 06:42.57 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Whooooa.... Im looking to spend like 300 max.. |
| 06:43.05 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: HAHAh |
| 06:43.05 | nn | deadcat: Nic e |
| 06:43.09 | xydarcher | Guerin, it is running when i was installing the system |
| 06:43.10 | simonrvn | used one |
| 06:43.26 | nn | Looks like next month's tuition reimbursement will be earmarked >:) |
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| 06:43.49 | sobersabre | hi guys, what is 169.254.0.0/16 network for ? |
| 06:43.59 | deadcat | sobersabre: windows |
| 06:44.03 | sobersabre | i have its entry in routing table... |
| 06:44.17 | sobersabre | deadcat, ?!?!? ] |
| 06:44.23 | bob2 | isn't it the link-local one? |
| 06:44.24 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: do cat /proc/cpuinfo see if you have 1 cpu listed |
| 06:44.28 | nn | bob2: i think so |
| 06:44.31 | bob2 | you can find out by looking at the IANA registry |
| 06:44.36 | simonrvn | yeh. for autoconf dhcp |
| 06:44.37 | sobersabre | bob2, it is ... but ... what does it mean ?! |
| 06:44.39 | deadcat | ya. created by windows |
| 06:44.40 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.47 | TwistedEmotions | processor : 0 |
| 06:44.52 | TwistedEmotions | 1 processor |
| 06:44.58 | nn | sobersabre: it means there's a misconfigured windows machine near you |
| 06:45.03 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hmm. |
| 06:45.07 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I build a new kernel.. that's probably why.. |
| 06:45.12 | deadcat | shows HT show 2 cpus? |
| 06:45.13 | sobersabre | nn i don't have any windows THERE. |
| 06:45.17 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hehe |
| 06:45.35 | simonrvn | no, it means that the windoze or mock os box couldn't find a dhcpd to get an ip from, so it self-assigned one |
| 06:45.42 | bob2 | ahhh |
| 06:45.52 | nn | sobersabre: maybe a few hops away on the other side of the wire |
| 06:46.11 | sobersabre | simonrvn, what can it do ? i think redundant route is bad... i want to remove it |
| 06:46.13 | nn | simonrvn: os x does that stupid crap to o? |
| 06:46.20 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 06:46.23 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: did you patch the kernel with bootsplash? |
| 06:46.23 | nn | ewwy |
| 06:46.35 | jetdotnet | no he chouldn't hang |
| 06:46.40 | nn | thanks everyone for the help! |
| 06:46.46 | simonrvn | os 9, 8, 7 ... dunno if 6 did it |
| 06:46.51 | nn | first time i've actually gotten help here really lol |
| 06:46.57 | jetdotnet | lies |
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| 06:47.09 | Guerin | xydarcher: ok. dpkg -l |grep ftpd |
| 06:47.13 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Tried and failed... but I did change it from pentium pro... which we set it to... to pentium 4 |
| 06:47.22 | nn | people usually throw the fsck off attitude which tends to cause my going elsewhere for help :) |
| 06:47.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what kernel source? from kernel.org? |
| 06:47.45 | xydarcher | ii ftpd 0.17-13 FTP server |
| 06:47.47 | shingouz | nn: This is #debian ;) |
| 06:47.54 | xydarcher | Guerin:ii ftpd 0.17-13 FTP server |
| 06:47.59 | Guerin | nn: it's all to do with whether you're being a twat or not. |
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| 06:48.07 | nn | Guerin: i was quite nice about it |
| 06:48.15 | Guerin | xydarcher: dpkg -L ftpd |grep /etc/ |
| 06:48.15 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: no... apt-get... I downloaded from kernel.org but it didnt build right or some shit.. |
| 06:48.19 | nn | some dude with a nick starting with an a was a real prick :) |
| 06:48.24 | xydarcher | Guerin: but i haven't find any tutorials on that |
| 06:48.25 | simonrvn | i need to reboot |
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| 06:48.36 | nn | i desired to find where he resides and remove his testicles with a dull pocket knife |
| 06:48.39 | sobersabre | q. i have 2 NICs: eth1 ( 192.168.X.Y/24 ) and eth0 ( A.B.C.D/24 ) |
| 06:48.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: but the kernel-source works for you? |
| 06:48.42 | simonrvn | kernel update |
| 06:48.44 | nn | he was very rude |
| 06:48.48 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: yeah.. |
| 06:48.53 | sobersabre | eth0 is on external net. |
| 06:49.00 | mngrif | hey all, what would cause "Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing." on boot? seems like packages didn't get configured |
| 06:49.01 | Azar | adduser Azar sound/ or / snd does not work? |
| 06:49.01 | Guerin | yeah. people who actually as sane questions, having done their homework, and not expecting too much in the way of cuddling, do pretty well in here |
| 06:49.02 | sobersabre | hostname of the machine is set to external one |
| 06:49.07 | shingouz | nn: Just nail them to a treestump, give him the dull knife and light the stump |
| 06:49.09 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: interesting. kernel-source doesnt work well with the bootsplash patch. i use kernel.org's |
| 06:49.13 | nn | shingouz: >:) |
| 06:49.15 | simonrvn | mngrif: base-config didn't complete |
| 06:49.17 | sobersabre | the DNS server is in internal NET. |
| 06:49.20 | Azar | the sound group / the snd group does not exist |
| 06:49.27 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Didnt use bootsplash.. |
| 06:49.28 | simonrvn | Azar: audio |
| 06:49.32 | mngrif | simonrvn: so just run it again? |
| 06:49.34 | sobersabre | what shall i write in resolv.conf ( search entries ) ? |
| 06:49.37 | jetdotnet | what do you use in windows to ssh to a linux box |
| 06:49.39 | Azar | thanks simonrvn /me blushing |
| 06:49.42 | Guerin | jetdotnet: putty |
| 06:49.45 | simonrvn | mngrif: i'd run base-config, then dselect |
| 06:49.58 | shingouz | sobersabre: Your nameservers |
| 06:49.59 | mngrif | simonrvn: thanks, the ubuntu people are useless with this one :P |
| 06:50.01 | nn | debmirror goes slow today |
| 06:50.04 | nn | must set up rsync ;) |
| 06:50.09 | nn | <3 rsync |
| 06:50.17 | nn | and btw |
| 06:50.28 | bob2 | you can configure debmirror to use rsync |
| 06:50.31 | nn | Visitors to the virtual class room the web designers are building will be free too |
| 06:50.31 | bob2 | but rsync won't help much |
| 06:50.34 | jetdotnet | and is google.com borking for anybody else? |
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| 06:50.36 | jetdotnet | nm |
| 06:50.36 | xydarcher | Guerin:i find the config file.but is there some tutorials on them? |
| 06:50.39 | sobersabre | shingouz, i want to be able to use short hostnames |
| 06:50.40 | bob2 | since files in pool/ never ever change |
| 06:50.43 | nn | jetdotnet: yes, all the time for me, but thats my isp |
| 06:50.45 | jshriver | greetings :) |
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| 06:50.46 | Guerin | xydarcher: man ftpd |
| 06:50.46 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you use make-kpkg to build right? |
| 06:51.09 | nn | bob2: old ones go away... |
| 06:51.09 | sobersabre | not the complete "name.externaldomain" |
| 06:51.09 | nn | and dsc's should change too |
| 06:51.09 | sobersabre | or "name.internaldomain" |
| 06:51.09 | jshriver | Anyone here use a Palm PDA with linux? How do you sync data between the two? |
| 06:51.09 | jetdotnet | !10x guerin |
| 06:51.09 | bob2 | nn: dsc's don't change |
| 06:51.40 | nn | new ones come out, no? |
| 06:51.40 | bob2 | nn: packages just get added and removed |
| 06:51.40 | nn | and updated |
| 06:51.40 | nn | right? |
| 06:51.40 | bob2 | nn: the new dscs have new filenames |
| 06:51.40 | nn | yeup |
| 06:51.40 | shingouz | sobersabre: resolv.conf has to contain the word "nameserver" and the appropriate ip for one. man resolv.conf |
| 06:51.40 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Yeah.. |
| 06:51.40 | jshriver | also how do you detect where it's installed via /dev? I'm using a USB cable |
| 06:51.40 | nn | and the old ones eventually are removed from my tree via apt-move |
| 06:52.00 | nn | ;) |
| 06:52.01 | bob2 | so, the contents of files in pool/ never changes, new ones just get added and deleted |
| 06:52.01 | nn | bob2: Yeup |
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| 06:52.01 | nn | and apt-move takes care of that for me |
| 06:52.01 | sobersabre | shingouz, what are the "search" and "domain" entries for THEN ? |
| 06:52.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cool. can i get ssh in and try to compile the kernel.org one again? |
| 06:52.02 | bob2 | nn: sure, but rsync only helps on modified files |
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| 06:52.11 | bob2 | nn: and hte only modified files are like Packages and Contents |
| 06:52.13 | nn | bob2: it helps on many files vs http too |
| 06:52.14 | rob_lt | 'night all, thanks for all your help today. |
| 06:52.16 | bob2 | which aren't very big compared to the pool |
| 06:52.16 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Sure... |
| 06:52.18 | freewoody | Hi all |
| 06:52.19 | nn | bob2: single connection |
| 06:52.20 | rob_lt | nick rob_sleep |
| 06:52.22 | shingouz | sobersabre: How about reading the manual, it is all there last I looked. |
| 06:52.23 | bob2 | nn: oh yeah, it's pipelining kicks ass |
| 06:52.29 | nn | bob2: it helps a good bit |
| 06:52.37 | freewoody | Wherecan I find the best docs for Exim4 ? |
| 06:52.52 | nn | that's my reason for wanting to go rsync :) ever bit of load of debian.org i can do helps them too |
| 06:52.56 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: my ip is 1.wi11.k1ll.y0u |
| 06:52.57 | nn | ya know? |
| 06:53.05 | sobersabre | shingouz, i've read it. it doesn't say though what is the good order of search list |
| 06:53.17 | sobersabre | and this is actually what i am asking |
| 06:53.22 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: connection denied (= |
| 06:53.34 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: haha here 68.126.177.112 |
| 06:53.35 | sobersabre | besides, shall i set the hosntame of the machine to the internal/external name ? |
| 06:53.45 | nn | ever heard of /whois ? |
| 06:53.58 | Guerin | no guarantee he's ircing from the same box |
| 06:54.02 | nn | Guerin: true |
| 06:54.11 | Guerin | i know I'm not ircing from either of my cloud-facing boxen |
| 06:54.15 | Guerin | at least, not right now |
| 06:54.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: nothing |
| 06:54.47 | xydarcher | Guerin,Thank you |
| 06:54.48 | nn | Guerin: yea im a bit distracted right now by the process of automating my mirroring and building |
| 06:54.58 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.02 | nn | yay |
| 06:55.17 | nn | anytime packages change rebuild new isos and jigdo files |
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| 06:56.01 | sobersabre | shingouz, do you have anything to say ? |
| 06:56.26 | shingouz | sobersabre: Ok, now I see why my answer is not really relevant. You wrote your question on a bunch of lines and I noticed the last one |
| 06:56.39 | shingouz | sobersabre: And do not take that tone with me |
| 06:56.52 | sobersabre | :) |
| 06:56.55 | nn | what is the s3kr1t dir about?! |
| 06:57.07 | dawne | hey guys i think i've got an irq conflict somewhere...anyway commands/programs i can use to verify this??? |
| 06:57.17 | dawne | *any |
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| 06:57.35 | fusQuanto | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.35 | fusQuanto | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.35 | fusQuanto | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.42 | ash_ | deadcat: sorry my shit didnt like something I did.. |
| 06:57.44 | nn | ahh gpg |
| 06:57.58 | xydarcher | How to uninstall the package? |
| 06:58.09 | sobersabre | fusQuanto, you didn't need to reboot in the 1st place |
| 06:58.12 | deadcat | ash_: router? |
| 06:58.13 | jetdotnet | apt-get remove --purge blah |
| 06:58.14 | nn | apt-get remove packagename |
| 06:58.15 | Guerin | xydarcher: apt-get remove packagename |
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| 06:58.18 | nn | ahh yea --purge |
| 06:58.28 | Guerin | xydarcher: sounds like you might want to read the faq |
| 06:58.32 | ash_ | deadcat: Router is going nuts.. |
| 06:58.33 | ash_ | !test |
| 06:58.33 | dpkg | Yes, ash_, you're still online. |
| 06:58.36 | ash_ | hehe |
| 06:58.37 | jetdotnet | !dselect |
| 06:58.37 | dpkg | methinks dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 06:58.41 | Guerin | !faq xydarcher |
| 06:58.42 | dpkg | xydarcher: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 06:58.43 | fusQuanto | sobersabre: i didnt know what else to do., waht do i do? |
| 06:58.55 | Seanfeld | I am trying to apt-get install webmin and I am getting an error saying that miniserv.pem is missing. As far as I can tell it's an openssl certificate problem but not sure what to do about it, anybody have any suggestions |
| 06:58.58 | sobersabre | fusQuanto, you run "ls -l" |
| 06:59.02 | jetdotnet | !webmin |
| 06:59.02 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 06:59.11 | sobersabre | and watch who owns what and what can do with it... |
| 06:59.18 | ash_ | deadcat: 68.126.178.15 |
| 06:59.22 | fusQuanto | sobersabre: but nothing has ever changed... |
| 06:59.22 | nn | lol |
| 06:59.27 | ash_ | deadcat: got your cell on you? |
| 06:59.29 | freewoody | How do I install Qmail in Debian |
| 06:59.35 | dondelelcaro | !qmail |
| 06:59.36 | dpkg | well, qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html, or ... |
| 06:59.43 | freewoody | I can't install from: apt-get install qmail-src |
| 06:59.53 | sobersabre | fusQuanto, i don't know.... but usually such thhnings happen when something changed.... |
| 06:59.53 | dondelelcaro | freewoody: because you don't have non-free in your sources.list |
| 07:00.00 | fusQuanto | sobersabre: and that same user is the one logged in... |
| 07:00.01 | deadcat | ash_: ya why? |
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| 07:00.03 | jetdotnet | !non-free |
| 07:00.04 | dpkg | i heard non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html or tack non-free to the end of your usual "main" source to install stuff like navigator. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end ... |
| 07:00.08 | bob2 | freewoody: why do you want to use qmail at all? |
| 07:00.10 | ash_ | deadcat: Changed the password.. |
| 07:00.14 | deadcat | ash_: k. |
| 07:00.19 | sobersabre | fusQuanto, i still insist. |
| 07:00.23 | sobersabre | :) |
| 07:00.27 | freewoody | Because Exim seems to be lacking in details |
| 07:00.36 | bob2 | freewoody: so use postfix or even sendmail |
| 07:00.41 | freewoody | I can't find a good site for Exim documentation |
| 07:00.44 | fusQuanto | sobersabre: ayeee. so ytou dont think its any samba setting |
| 07:00.59 | sobersabre | fusQuanto, it is either samba or file permissions.... |
| 07:01.01 | Guerin | postfix is very well documented indeed |
| 07:01.07 | jetdotnet | !find exim4-doc |
| 07:01.15 | bbrazil | fusQuanto: whats your map to guest setting ? |
| 07:01.16 | jm_ | yeah, exim web page would be a strange place to look, let alone exim*-doc packages |
| 07:01.17 | nn | what does dfsbuild call it's output? or is there a better way to make a debian iso (and maybe better dvd-r) image set? |
| 07:01.17 | freewoody | Well I need the basic steps to run a SMTP Server |
| 07:01.24 | freewoody | CAn you point out some good sites |
| 07:01.25 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'exim4-doc' returned no results. |
| 07:01.36 | nn | that way i can make jigdo work too here |
| 07:01.38 | nn | it's neat |
| 07:01.45 | bob2 | freewoody: you need to understand how smtp works, first |
| 07:01.46 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: one sec let me check |
| 07:01.52 | dawne | can someone plz help...i believev my soundcard is causing an IRQ conflict, 'modprobe -d sb' says so lol..how do i determine what IRQs are currently used by what? |
| 07:01.55 | bob2 | I don't know of any sites about that, unfortunately |
| 07:01.58 | jetdotnet | !info exim4-doc-html |
| 07:01.59 | bob2 | maybe I should write one |
| 07:02.01 | dpkg | exim4-doc-html: (documentation for the Exim MTA (v4) in html format), section doc, is optional. Version: 4.50-1 (sid), Packaged size: 835 kB, Installed size: 3548 kB |
| 07:02.15 | bob2 | dawne: it's an ISA sound card? |
| 07:02.15 | sobersabre | dawne, cat /proc/interrupts |
| 07:02.38 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: ok in swat, i have guest OK set to NO |
| 07:02.40 | jm_ | dawne: cat /proc/interrupts - but it will only lists the ones that drivers know about - sb is for ISA cards, which are often plug and play - do you really have such a card? |
| 07:03.21 | bbrazil | fusQuanto: no, the 'map to guest' setting |
| 07:03.21 | freewoody | Where can I find the docs for Exim on my system ? |
| 07:03.26 | dawne | i have a soundblaster which IS plug and play i believe |
| 07:03.43 | jm_ | dawne: run lspci, see if it lists it |
| 07:03.45 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: do you know where to find that in swat? or shoudl i search samba.conf |
| 07:03.45 | ash_ | Dammit how do I kick TwistedEmotion off my name? |
| 07:03.46 | john | how do i decompress a .bz2? |
| 07:03.52 | Guerin | john: man tar |
| 07:03.57 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:03.58 | jetdotnet | tar xvjf |
| 07:03.58 | nn | Guerin: i'd like to also set up a bug tracker and such that use upstream debian info and also local info, keeping them seperate, such that i can pass issues i find to be not local upstream, preventing users of my modified system from pestering anyone about things that are non debian issues |
| 07:04.00 | Guerin | man bunzip |
| 07:04.06 | jm_ | bunzip2 ;) |
| 07:04.09 | Guerin | it might not be tarred |
| 07:04.14 | Guerin | gah, stupid me |
| 07:04.15 | jetdotnet | /usr/share/doc/exim4 maybe |
| 07:04.17 | bbrazil | fusQuanto: look at your config file |
| 07:04.23 | nn | ash_: registered w/ nickserv? |
| 07:04.36 | ash_ | nn: I'm preety sure.. |
| 07:04.49 | nn | ash_: /msg nicksev ghost nick pass |
| 07:04.55 | Guerin | nn: honestly, another 28 students isn't going to make that big a difference to the BTS's load |
| 07:04.59 | nn | ash_: is it a ghost? |
| 07:05.04 | john | -j ;) |
| 07:05.12 | Guerin | nn: just write a BTS policy :) |
| 07:05.12 | jetdotnet | eeek a ghost |
| 07:05.19 | nn | Guerin: No, not really, but it's still non-debian issues which debian has no control over |
| 07:05.26 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: doestn exist |
| 07:05.42 | sobersabre | fusQuanto, WHAT doesn't exist ?!?!?! |
| 07:05.44 | bbrazil | fusQuanto: what do you mean your config file doesn't exist? |
| 07:05.45 | nn | Guerin: and if all goes well, it'll be bigger classes using it too, even other teachers and or schools |
| 07:05.51 | dawne | jm_: i dont see it actually...i do see an 'ISA Bridge' in there...is an ISA that longer (than PCI) slot thats kinda split into two sections??? |
| 07:05.55 | ash_ | nn: I still see it in room list... |
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| 07:06.04 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: sorry, there is no 'map to guest' setting in smb.conf |
| 07:06.09 | jetdotnet | yes the dark one |
| 07:06.12 | jetdotnet | s |
| 07:06.13 | nn | I want to provide a complete package and meta-distribution of sorts for doing such a style class :) |
| 07:06.21 | nn | ash_: hmm check your messages from nickserv |
| 07:06.25 | ash_ | Errrr... dammit... must have forgotten to register... |
| 07:06.31 | bbrazil | fusQuanto: use testparm to find out what its defaulting to |
| 07:06.33 | nn | ash_: it'll eventually ping timeout |
| 07:06.35 | jetdotnet | towards the one side away from the kb and ps/2 ports |
| 07:06.44 | bbrazil | fusQuanto: also turn the level of logging up to 3 or 4 |
| 07:06.44 | ash_ | nn: How long does that normally take? |
| 07:06.49 | jetdotnet | the 'not pci' ones |
| 07:06.57 | nn | ash_: not quite sure on dancer |
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| 07:07.04 | Twisted_Emotions | kk |
| 07:07.10 | Twisted_Emotions | Close enough. |
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| 07:07.31 | nn | give it some time :) |
| 07:07.39 | Twisted_Emotions | ;) Not that worried.. |
| 07:07.40 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: ok i ran testparm as (not root) and it just did soem stuff adn spat out the smb.conf file |
| 07:07.43 | Azar | am I too tired or fstab is not a command? |
| 07:07.45 | nn | if it's very important, i'm sure a friendly ircop could smack it down for ya :) |
| 07:07.45 | jetdotnet | what you may have to do is turn off plug&play in the bios, get the dos setup util, boot a dos floppy, run it, set the irq and io, then reboot to linux and pass those valuses to the module |
| 07:07.51 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.54 | jetdotnet | 'may' |
| 07:08.03 | Azar | oh thanks |
| 07:08.04 | nn | Azar: or use your favourite editor by name :) |
| 07:08.06 | nn | n p |
| 07:08.07 | bbrazil | fusQuanto: I assume you know how to use grep |
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| 07:08.32 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Can I watch what your doing ? |
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| 07:08.44 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: ya. screen -x |
| 07:08.47 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: i do :) i dont know how to turnup hte level of logging though |
| 07:08.47 | jm_ | dawne: yes, with much bigger pins |
| 07:08.52 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: cooooool. |
| 07:08.52 | jetdotnet | ~troll Twisted_Emotions |
| 07:08.59 | apt | ACTION hereby declares Twisted_Emotions a troll |
| 07:09.14 | dawne | cat /proc/interrupts shows my 'soundblaster' to have interrupt #7...jetdotnet: are you talkin to me? |
| 07:09.20 | Twisted_Emotions | !slap jetdotnet |
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| 07:09.26 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: my smb.conf is very very small, created by swat |
| 07:09.30 | jetdotnet | dawne: if the shoe fits |
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| 07:09.54 | nn | 0310 and i'm still working on stuff for the school lol |
| 07:10.00 | jetdotnet | !britsmite Twisted_Emotions |
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| 07:10.14 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: which region you watching? bash1 or bash0? |
| 07:10.16 | Azar | well its late and I am getting confused, thanks everyone I will try again later tomorrow :) |
| 07:10.17 | jetdotnet | !crabpastesmite Twisted_Emotions |
| 07:10.20 | dawne | lol ok just makin sure...this 'setup' util, is that what comes with old DOS games for setting up sound? |
| 07:10.35 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: What the twat do you speak of? |
| 07:10.40 | jetdotnet | dawne: it's what the card manuf. supplies |
| 07:10.43 | nunez | How do I make a link folder that looks at another directory on my computer inside my apache document root? |
| 07:10.48 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: nevermind. can you still see ? |
| 07:10.51 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: I see you |
| 07:10.55 | jetdotnet | if it's not a plug & play card |
| 07:10.56 | deadcat | cool |
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| 07:11.05 | jetdotnet | so 'may' have to |
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| 07:11.31 | jetdotnet | or if it's crappy plug&play i think |
| 07:11.32 | Guerin | nunez: man ln; make sure you specify FollowSymlinksIfOwnerMatch and that the resource is owned by the correct user |
| 07:12.01 | Guerin | nunez: if this doesn't make sense, readt the doc on httpd.apache.org |
| 07:12.12 | jetdotnet | no idea, i had to for an isa nic once though, and you might have the jumpers to set that on the card itself too btw |
| 07:12.20 | jetdotnet | my nic didn't |
| 07:12.38 | jetdotnet | s/and/but/ |
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| 07:13.22 | nn | one last question for a bit guys/girls/etc, how do i make irssi use esc-# to switch windows too like bx did? |
| 07:13.34 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Processor support... ect... change CPY type to Pentium 4 |
| 07:13.45 | nn | it'd be great if i could change in irssi how i do in pork and tinyahoo |
| 07:13.55 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: ya. i will |
| 07:13.59 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: You looking for bootsplash patch? |
| 07:13.59 | dawne | oh allright...im gonna have to go into windows real quick and find out what i can about this thing...its a _really_ old card...thanks jetdotnet |
| 07:14.00 | jm_ | nn: read irssi docs and try alt-<number key> |
| 07:14.13 | jetdotnet | yeah i 'think' kernel-image detected my kid's p3 as a pro |
| 07:14.38 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: no. there are some settings you need to change to get bootsplash to work |
| 07:14.49 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Ahhhh.. |
| 07:14.50 | jetdotnet | dawne: lspci, google |
| 07:14.54 | nn | jm_: i want esc-# |
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| 07:15.02 | nn | jm_: i have alt-# but i prefer esc-# |
| 07:15.05 | jetdotnet | lspci |grep audio (or is it sound, i forget) |
| 07:15.06 | simonrvn | nn: should work |
| 07:15.25 | jm_ | nn: that works as well |
| 07:15.26 | nn | simonrvn: doesnt seem to i'm betting its one of the many options, but was hoping someone remembered the name |
| 07:15.43 | simonrvn | no need to enable it AFAICR |
| 07:15.44 | dawne | jetdotnet: yea i dont see it in there, it has to be ISA...i do see ISA Bridge |
| 07:15.46 | jm_ | you have to reconfigure your terminal emulator if it doesn't |
| 07:15.54 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: nope |
| 07:15.57 | simonrvn | point |
| 07:16.00 | jetdotnet | the isa birdge is different |
| 07:16.08 | nn | maybe expand_escapes? |
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| 07:16.11 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: kk.. |
| 07:16.17 | bbrazil | nn: try esc,n instead of esc+n |
| 07:16.17 | nn | no that's probably ansi |
| 07:16.17 | jetdotnet | proc or bus i think |
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| 07:16.31 | jm_ | dawne: check the resources for it in windows, if it's IRQ7 and IO 220 then it's ISA |
| 07:16.31 | nn | bbrazil: ya tried both :( |
| 07:16.43 | bbrazil | nn: works perfectly here |
| 07:16.44 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: fuck. i forgot to watch jimmy kimmel live )= |
| 07:16.57 | jetdotnet | irq7 is the printer usually, but i be tthat''s been said |
| 07:17.13 | jm_ | yeah, irq7 is usually used by parallel ports |
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| 07:17.25 | Guerin | esc-# worksforme |
| 07:17.26 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Errr.. hes a jackass. |
| 07:17.31 | deadcat | hahah |
| 07:17.40 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Funny on the man show.. but not off.. |
| 07:17.46 | dawne | jetdotnet: ahh i just found some info, forgot i wrote this down before...IRQ is 5 |
| 07:17.52 | jetdotnet | you might get better results just from turning off plug&play support in the bios dawne |
| 07:17.55 | jm_ | that's why I always had SB16 on IRQ5 back then |
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| 07:18.02 | jetdotnet | 5 is usually sound on older stuff |
| 07:18.13 | jetdotnet | 'in the beginning' |
| 07:18.20 | dawne | this computer is an old 100MHz lol |
| 07:18.30 | jetdotnet | in the old days, the before times |
| 07:18.41 | freewoody | how do I remove my IP Address from a transparent Squid proxy |
| 07:18.43 | Guerin | irq 5 - dma 0 and 1 - i/o 220 |
| 07:18.48 | jetdotnet | i still have my es1868 card somewhere |
| 07:18.49 | Guerin | i can't forget it if I try |
| 07:19.11 | nn | bbrazil: maybe it's bc i'm under screen? |
| 07:19.12 | Guerin | freewoody: you want to no longer be proxied? |
| 07:19.16 | nn | due to the term type perhaps |
| 07:19.24 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: you numb nuts... forgot to change cpu options |
| 07:19.25 | jm_ | freewoody: read through squid.conf file, it's in there |
| 07:19.30 | nn | lemme restart a second irssi w/ TERM=vt100 |
| 07:19.31 | nunez | apache is giving me an error with this in httpd.conf ---> Options FollowSymlinksIfOwnerMatch |
| 07:19.32 | Guerin | freewoody: are you in control of the proxy? |
| 07:19.39 | freewoody | Yes I am |
| 07:19.51 | Guerin | nunez: it needs to be in a Directory directive |
| 07:19.58 | Guerin | nunez: not just randomly someplace |
| 07:20.08 | jm_ | older versions of squid had a separate setting for this, now it's achieved via header_access |
| 07:20.25 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: SMP? |
| 07:20.53 | nunez | Guerin, it is |
| 07:20.58 | nn | hmm |
| 07:21.02 | nunez | <Directory /> |
| 07:21.02 | nunez | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.02 | nunez | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.02 | nunez | </Directory> |
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| 07:21.04 | simonrvn | nn: nah, i had it working in screen np |
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| 07:21.12 | bbrazil | nn: generally esc works when alt doesn't |
| 07:21.25 | jm_ | wait, my bad, it's still the same forwarded_for setting |
| 07:21.25 | nn | simonrvn: *sighs* |
| 07:21.27 | simonrvn | nunez: SymlinksIfOwnerMatch. RTM |
| 07:21.28 | nn | this is weird |
| 07:21.41 | dawne | i have IRQ:05 DMA:01,05 I/O:0220-222F,0330-0331,0388-038B...what should i be doing now? turn off plug&play in the bios, would that really help? |
| 07:21.44 | nn | if i change term type to ansi or linux it works |
| 07:21.58 | ayman_ | what is the package name that let you proxy for debian package " one mache is get the update from the internet and the other machine conntact it to get the update" |
| 07:22.00 | nn | perfect actually if i use linux |
| 07:22.21 | jm_ | dawne: you need to find out if card is PnP at all |
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| 07:22.35 | bbrazil | nn: whats your full terminal->irssi topology? (mines xterm->ssh->screen->irssi) |
| 07:22.35 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Shit... forgot to tell you... I switched to lilo... |
| 07:22.44 | deadcat | thats cool |
| 07:22.47 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Does that make a difference.. |
| 07:22.47 | deadcat | faster? |
| 07:22.50 | nn | bbrazil: console -> screen -> irssi |
| 07:22.51 | deadcat | nah |
| 07:22.52 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: yup.. |
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| 07:22.55 | deadcat | hehe nice |
| 07:23.02 | dawne | ahhhh it is, windows reports it as "Creative Sound Blaster 16 Plug and Play" |
| 07:23.04 | Guerin | nunez: why the FUCK is / your documentroot? |
| 07:23.08 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Still dont know what was wrong with grub. |
| 07:23.08 | bbrazil | nn: ah, never tried it from the console |
| 07:23.11 | Guerin | !cluebat nunez |
| 07:23.20 | nn | using plain getty w/ fbcons |
| 07:23.22 | Guerin | you EEEDIOT |
| 07:23.24 | jm_ | then check if your kernel has support for plug and play |
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| 07:23.32 | nn | Guerin: why? I have / my docroot |
| 07:23.40 | Guerin | nn: for apache? |
| 07:23.42 | nn | But! :) I have .htaccess's spread liberally |
| 07:23.43 | nn | Yea |
| 07:23.47 | Guerin | that's insane |
| 07:23.51 | nn | Not really |
| 07:23.55 | nn | it's a box made to be mirrored |
| 07:23.59 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: This shit takes HELLLLA days.. |
| 07:24.01 | dawne | jm_: sorry, how do i? lsmod??? |
| 07:24.03 | simonrvn | nunez: / as your docroot? WTF DID YOU DO THAT? |
| 07:24.09 | nn | but many parts (sensitive ones) are passworded |
| 07:24.13 | Guerin | i don't care how much .htaccess you have, one exploit which finds a hole, and you lose the whole ship |
| 07:24.17 | Guerin | irrelevant |
| 07:24.21 | bbrazil | nn: its a TERM thing, just set the TERM inside the screen to something sane |
| 07:24.22 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: I accidentally ran it twice... took damn near a hour.. |
| 07:24.22 | simonrvn | nunez: sorry |
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| 07:24.25 | nn | bbrazil: yea |
| 07:24.30 | nn | bbrazil: that's what i thought it was :) |
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| 07:24.31 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: hahah |
| 07:24.36 | simonrvn | nn: YOU'RE NUTS |
| 07:24.38 | nn | bbrazil: after i found no option in here |
| 07:24.43 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: ok foudn it, map to guest=never, adn set the level to 3 |
| 07:24.45 | bbrazil | nn: I generally use xterm-color |
| 07:24.48 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: for debugg |
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| 07:24.51 | nn | Guerin: it's in a restricted environment anyways |
| 07:24.57 | bbrazil | fusQuanto: try and connect and see what error you get |
| 07:25.01 | Guerin | simonrvn: i think nunez did it too; he has a <Direcory /> directive, pasted above |
| 07:25.04 | simonrvn | also just the sheer amount of processing the daemon has to do to read in those .htaccess files |
| 07:25.08 | nn | that httpd is on a port not accessible outside the local subnet, enforced by the firewall |
| 07:25.09 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: WTF? Done? |
| 07:25.14 | simonrvn | fucking nuts |
| 07:25.27 | Guerin | nn: that mitigates it slightly, but not enough. |
| 07:25.29 | simonrvn | nn: a firewall isn't invincible |
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| 07:25.39 | dawne | how do i know if my kernel supports p&p??? i mean it can be compiled into the kernel or loaded as a module right? what is the moddule named anyway? |
| 07:25.42 | Guerin | nn: you want to opt-in to sharing, not opt-out. |
| 07:25.46 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: |
| 07:25.49 | simonrvn | anything can be cracked, sooner or later |
| 07:25.52 | Twisted_Emotions | Ohh... error I get it... |
| 07:25.54 | bbrazil | Guerin: debian default has a directory / |
| 07:25.55 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: also, i have the following shared adn writeable: /home/user/, but /home/user/blah is not writeable, and /home/user/blah is mounted from /dev/lvmvolumes/blah |
| 07:26.10 | simonrvn | bbrazil: for very specific options |
| 07:26.12 | Guerin | bbrazil: bullshit. it defaults to /var/www, at least as of apache 1.3 |
| 07:26.14 | jm_ | dawne: it's easiest if you grep for it in kernel config file |
| 07:26.27 | nn | simonrvn: yea, hopefully the ids catches that but there's more pressing security issues left open due to the current workgroup trust design in sue |
| 07:26.32 | simonrvn | and docroot was never /, it was location / |
| 07:26.50 | bbrazil | Guerin: I'm looking at my httpd.conf here, it has a Directory /, Options SymLinksIfOwnerMatch AllowOverride None (woody->sarge, apache1) |
| 07:26.52 | nn | we've got an nt half of our network which is very nuts |
| 07:26.55 | Guerin | bbrazil: i'm talking about docroot; i think you're talking about thinggs like /usr/share/doc |
| 07:27.05 | xydarcher | !faq |
| 07:27.06 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 07:27.08 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: permissions for /home/user/blah are 777, every letter is 'on', letter meaning the wrxr etc |
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| 07:27.19 | simonrvn | fusQuanto: why? |
| 07:27.20 | bbrazil | fusQuanto: what about permissions on /home/user? |
| 07:27.25 | xydarcher | !faq xydarcher |
| 07:27.25 | dpkg | xydarcher: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 07:27.29 | simonrvn | 1uç940-2 3570ç3527ç-12/905 o |
| 07:27.30 | simonrvn | qfç |
| 07:27.30 | simonrvn | 1 |
| 07:27.31 | simonrvn | o-fa |
| 07:27.31 | dawne | jm_: ...where's the kernel config file? i didnt compile my own kernel if that makes a difference |
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| 07:27.41 | Guerin | bbrazil: oh, you said directory, not docroot |
| 07:27.45 | Guerin | mah bayd |
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| 07:27.54 | bbrazil | Guerin: no problem |
| 07:27.57 | jm_ | dawne: try this : grep CONFIG_ISAPNP /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 07:28.05 | simonrvn | NO FUCKING WONDER PEOPLE GET ROOTED SO FUCKING EASILY - THEY DO STUPID SHIT |
| 07:28.16 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Maybe you need to run that one clean command.. |
| 07:28.30 | fusQuanto | simonrvn: cuz im tryign to debug |
| 07:28.36 | sussudio_ | !cuz |
| 07:28.36 | dpkg | hmm... cuz is you mean because?, or an affectionate name for your cousin (or cousin, according to dvs). |
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| 07:28.56 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: /home/user is whatever they were from default |
| 07:28.59 | dawne | jm_: no output...that mean the kernel doesnt have P&P support? |
| 07:29.00 | simonrvn | oh yeh, like setting 777 is gonna help debug. you set a freaking logevel of debug in the conf, you dumbass |
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| 07:29.07 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: oh ya. hehe |
| 07:29.09 | bbrazil | fusQuanto: which is? |
| 07:29.14 | simonrvn | sorry for calling you that |
| 07:29.15 | Guerin | !beer simonrvn |
| 07:29.22 | nn | simonrvn: ahh, there's multilayered security on htis :) |
| 07:29.31 | nn | for one, the NAT really does help |
| 07:29.33 | giupy | how can i control my fan ? it seems to go ever at max |
| 07:29.35 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: jesus your a newb. |
| 07:29.35 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: drwxr-xr-x 27 fusquanto fusquanto |
| 07:29.49 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: hehe. |
| 07:30.01 | Guerin | Twisted_Emotions: i don't think jesus is deadcat's a newb |
| 07:30.05 | bbrazil | fusQuanto: whats the value of 'security' in the config? |
| 07:30.08 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Just kidding.. |
| 07:30.11 | nn | as for the speed, i'm planning on eventually rewriting the about 30 .htaccess's (no deeper than 2 usually) into directory rules in /etc/apache/sites-available/ |
| 07:30.26 | Guerin | jesus |
| 07:30.40 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: security=USRE |
| 07:30.43 | fusQuanto | user, sorry |
| 07:30.44 | Guerin | jusy have your docroot as /www and symlink in things you specifically want |
| 07:30.45 | Twisted_Emotions | Guerin: you killed the joke with the typo. |
| 07:30.56 | Guerin | Twisted_Emotions: which typo? |
| 07:31.01 | nn | Guerin: there's only a few files that are passworded |
| 07:31.23 | Guerin | nn: ... |
| 07:31.28 | dawne | jm_: i have kernel 2.2.20, grep -i "*PNP*" /boot/config-2.2.20 finds nothing...do i have to get a new kernel then? |
| 07:31.28 | Twisted_Emotions | Guerin: Errr.. this isnt a sentence... i don't think jesus is deadcat's a newb |
| 07:31.39 | nn | i'm using http + ssl + user auth as a method of mirroring (many available) |
| 07:31.41 | simonrvn | bad grammar, not typo |
| 07:31.42 | bbrazil | fusQuanto: okay, are you asked for your password when you try to access the share from the windows box? |
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| 07:31.56 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: yes and i put in wrong ones to make sure it is askign |
| 07:32.01 | nn | rsync too, but sometimes a minimal install lacks rsync |
| 07:32.10 | nn | particularly in the recovery part of the class :) |
| 07:32.28 | nn | i'll be pointing out what parts of the system need work and then they can fix them ;) |
| 07:32.37 | nn | real world adminning lol |
| 07:32.41 | Guerin | Twisted_Emotions: exactly. |
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| 07:32.45 | jm_ | dawne: I would upgrade that immediately - /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 07:32.58 | sciboy | When backing up my system, what are some folder i should definitely exclude. |
| 07:33.19 | nn | recovery situations get nasty, especially when you piss me of fin my classroom or if say i'm having an overall bad day |
| 07:33.26 | Guerin | Twisted_Emotions: if you actually understood why your use of 'your' is wrong, it would make sense to you. |
| 07:34.08 | dawne | jm_: ahh ok thanks |
| 07:34.15 | Twisted_Emotions | Guerin: You and your damn puntuation... You're going to hell.. |
| 07:34.15 | bbrazil | fusQuanto: and you're wondering why it isn't working? |
| 07:34.18 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: ok i dotn think its samba |
| 07:34.24 | Guerin | sciboy: i only backup /home, /var and /etc |
| 07:34.31 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: well i login correctly if thats what yu mean |
| 07:34.35 | nn | Guerin: i'm evil, huh? |
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| 07:34.42 | Twisted_Emotions | Guerin: See.. I know punctuation :) |
| 07:34.49 | bbrazil | fusQuanto: windows username the same? |
| 07:34.49 | Guerin | Twisted_Emotions: perhaps, but it won't be on account of my ability to read and write the english language correctly. |
| 07:34.57 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: i figured it out :) |
| 07:35.17 | jm_ | sciboy: here's what I exclude -- ^/var/(autofs|cache|lock|log|run|spool|tmp) /\.galeon/mozilla/.*/Cache$ /\.mozilla/.*/Cache$ /\.netscape/cache$ |
| 07:35.22 | rj` | are there any tools in debian to unlock a harddrive? |
| 07:35.24 | Twisted_Emotions | Guerin: Greeeeeat. |
| 07:35.24 | jm_ | and a similar for opera |
| 07:35.32 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: wait i didnt, but it is in permissions of hte mounted fiel system |
| 07:35.34 | Guerin | Twisted_Emotions: my old man was arrested in the '70s for saying to a policeman "What? Can't I speak the Queen's fuckin' English?" |
| 07:35.39 | nn | Guerin: i start out with easier recovery situations, especially in the thin client model i'm wanting to be using by the end of the class |
| 07:36.00 | nn | the cool thing is, the students can make changes to the system, improving it for the next class |
| 07:36.22 | Twisted_Emotions | Guerin: Trying to avoid his mistake? |
| 07:36.23 | nn | my hope is to eventually be entirely web/ssh based :) |
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| 07:36.37 | glick | excuse me, in debian my .Xdefaults file doesnt seem to be read |
| 07:36.40 | nn | boot off a linux mini-dist cd at home and mount your stuff on our end |
| 07:36.49 | jm_ | glick: ln -s ~/.Xdefaults .Xresources |
| 07:36.51 | glick | where do i put my Xdefault configs |
| 07:36.55 | jm_ | ~/.Xresources even |
| 07:36.59 | Guerin | Twisted_Emotions: fuck no. He COULD speak the QFE, he just knew when NOT to. |
| 07:37.01 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: i happened to just add it to /etc/fstab adn that made things worse |
| 07:37.01 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: thanks for your help though, i appreciate it ;) |
| 07:37.11 | bob2 | I remember running through the wet grass, falling a step behind! |
| 07:37.15 | fusQuanto | bbrazil: here it is: EXT3-fs error (device dm-1): ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal |
| 07:37.15 | fusQuanto | Remounting filesystem read-only |
| 07:37.39 | glick | hmm emacs still isnt reading it jm_ |
| 07:37.46 | simonrvn | calm* |
| 07:37.59 | jm_ | glick: it's merged when you start X session, and apps don't read it, they query X server for resources |
| 07:38.01 | nn | as it's a project of this type, it's a free class |
| 07:38.04 | bob2 | heh, calm chowder! |
| 07:38.16 | simonrvn | glick: xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources |
| 07:38.16 | glick | jm_, so i have to restart my X session? |
| 07:38.21 | jm_ | glick: no, man xrdb |
| 07:38.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:38.46 | nn | Guerin: i'm just hoping to see how hard it is for a person to learn linux and become productive in it's use, particularly in a collaborative situation and maybe even show off linux a bit ;) |
| 07:38.46 | glick | nice! :) |
| 07:38.49 | glick | thanks jm_ |
| 07:38.55 | jm_ | no worries |
| 07:39.01 | nn | i've got commercial reasons behind a good bit of it, of course |
| 07:39.14 | Guerin | nn: you'll need to get a dedicated bunch of kids in the course. |
| 07:39.24 | Guerin | nn: or you'll need to make it hella fun. |
| 07:39.31 | nn | Guerin: fun is the idea |
| 07:39.33 | Twisted_Emotions | Guerin: Now the real question is did he mean Queens the location or the Queen of England. |
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| 07:39.51 | Guerin | Twisted_Emotions: you should be able to tell by the apostrophe. |
| 07:40.00 | fusQuanto | anyone know of a command to scan my entire HD for hardware errors, like following a HD crash to see if theres really a hardware problem et |
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| 07:40.00 | nn | Guerin: just basicly making setting up small projects part the class |
| 07:40.01 | fusQuanto | etc |
| 07:40.01 | Guerin | Twisted_Emotions: are you actually a native english speaker? |
| 07:40.05 | nn | you have various projects |
| 07:40.12 | Twisted_Emotions | Guerin: I was joking you ass.. |
| 07:40.13 | nn | and you have to pick some of them to pass it |
| 07:40.18 | jm_ | fusQuanto: badblocks |
| 07:40.31 | Twisted_Emotions | Guerin: No.. I was born in America.. |
| 07:40.34 | fusQuanto | jm_: thx |
| 07:40.50 | nn | and the end result is you get one of several industry certs from an affiliate at a very cheap cost by just taking the test and getting your cert mailed to you ;) |
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| 07:41.00 | nn | that's where the commercial interest comes in |
| 07:41.17 | glick | nice thanks man |
| 07:41.20 | Coke | nn: what do you mean "learn" linux? |
| 07:41.27 | Coke | Most Windows users don't know Windows. |
| 07:41.30 | Twisted_Emotions | Guerin: If Bush it the US President then I can get away with a missing " ' " |
| 07:41.37 | nn | Coke: learn to install, admin, and maintain a linux machine |
| 07:41.38 | Guerin | Twisted_Emotions: heh |
| 07:41.51 | Guerin | nn: itym GNU/linux |
| 07:41.51 | Coke | nn: but people only install Windows machines, they don't admin nor do they maintain |
| 07:42.00 | Coke | nn: that is, people in general, the avarage user. |
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| 07:42.06 | Guerin | ok |
| 07:42.10 | Guerin | time to do some work |
| 07:42.12 | nn | Coke: i know a lot of people sick of windows for various reasons |
| 07:42.17 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:42.19 | bob2 | tough life |
| 07:42.20 | Coke | It's a misconception that it is easier to administrate and maintain a Windows machine over a GNU machine, but in reality it is much easier with GNU. |
| 07:42.27 | nn | Coke: yeup |
| 07:42.28 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:42.35 | nn | and a lot of people i know are realizing that |
| 07:42.41 | Guerin | i had half my classes cancelled on account of a field trip today |
| 07:42.41 | Coke | The simple stupid user use cases, though, is where Windows has a slight advantage. |
| 07:42.44 | ledestin | nn: what are main gripes for windows users? |
| 07:42.46 | nn | say for example my many friends using my *nix machines |
| 07:43.05 | nn | ledestin: stability, security, configurability, and appearance |
| 07:43.16 | nn | so pretty much everything |
| 07:43.29 | fusQuanto | one of my mount points says it is in use and cannot be umounted, if this is not the case waht can it be? ive shut down to nothing but hte shell, disconnected it from network, everythign :( |
| 07:43.40 | nn | dont forget performance too |
| 07:43.43 | jm_ | fusQuanto: lsof and fuser will help you |
| 07:43.44 | Coke | nn: but GNU is better on all those points. |
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| 07:43.49 | nn | Coke: yeup |
| 07:43.51 | ledestin | nn: but average user won't be able to admin a GNU machine |
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| 07:43.54 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: So can I init 6 after every command after we get this loaded.. I mean with *2* CPU supporT? |
| 07:43.57 | nn | ledestin: sure they are |
| 07:44.03 | nn | especially if you provide better frontends |
| 07:44.04 | Coke | ledestin: avarage users aren't able to admin a Windows machine either |
| 07:44.10 | dawne | fusQuanto: what kinda device? |
| 07:44.15 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: no. you need a g5 for that (= |
| 07:44.30 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.36 | nn | such that anyone can use them |
| 07:44.36 | fusQuanto | dawne: a HD partition |
| 07:44.37 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Steal me 2 CPUs from the G5. |
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| 07:44.41 | fusQuanto | jm_: thx |
| 07:44.47 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:44.53 | ledestin | nn: a coworker of mine can't get Mandrake printing to work. He asks us, we look and say 'install Debian, then we will help you'. He can't do it himself. |
| 07:44.53 | simonrvn | @test |
| 07:44.55 | nn | but more so, i'd say for a lot of people just documenting things would help |
| 07:44.57 | ravenbird | Yes, simonrvn, you're still online. |
| 07:44.57 | Guerin | nn: nothing like what obsd does? |
| 07:45.02 | bob2 | php cannot be saved |
| 07:45.17 | nn | Guerin: somewhat, but in a non-Theo way :) |
| 07:45.18 | Guerin | agreed |
| 07:45.24 | Guerin | hah |
| 07:45.28 | Twisted_Emotions | You cant build your own mac can you? I mean you cant just go out and buy a motherboard and CPU's and plug and go. |
| 07:45.34 | bob2 | Twisted_Emotions: no |
| 07:45.46 | nn | i wonder if he still is trying to sue me over that voicemail.... |
| 07:45.46 | bob2 | Twisted_Emotions: to run mac os X, you need mac firmware, which you can't buy |
| 07:45.51 | simonrvn | mac no. PPC box, sure |
| 07:45.56 | bob2 | Twisted_Emotions: you can buy random other ppc hardware, tho |
| 07:46.06 | bob2 | you might even get windows NT 4 running on it |
| 07:46.10 | nn | i sincerely had the best of intentions with the wording of my message |
| 07:46.19 | Twisted_Emotions | Damn Mac... if they had opened up their shit up like 15 years ago they would have owned the industry... |
| 07:46.27 | fusQuanto | jm_: yippee ;) |
| 07:46.36 | fusQuanto | fuser rocks my world |
| 07:46.41 | bob2 | Twisted_Emotions: no |
| 07:46.44 | ledestin | Coke: the viable alternative then is remote support of Unix boxes |
| 07:46.51 | nn | i have a 256-way SMP ds89c420 @ 50mhz based system |
| 07:46.54 | nn | 8-bit all the way |
| 07:47.04 | Coke | ledestin: what do you mean "remote support"? |
| 07:47.10 | Twisted_Emotions | bob2: Sure why not... they would have never fallen behind... they had better CPU's and a better OS.. |
| 07:47.27 | bob2 | Twisted_Emotions: then they'd be competeing on cost with random clone makers |
| 07:47.29 | nn | and a 366mhz via c3 handles processor routing, fanless very low power |
| 07:47.37 | ledestin | Coke: ssh if something needs to be done. pay per incedent or whatever. |
| 07:47.47 | nn | and i run mpm on it ;) |
| 07:47.55 | bob2 | Twisted_Emotions: and imagine how much harder writing an OS to run on random crap is, compared to highly tested, well designed hardware |
| 07:47.56 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.57 | simonrvn | um, there used to be mac clones, i'm typing on one. apple killed them |
| 07:48.01 | Twisted_Emotions | bob2: Why would they bother.. they would pull a microsoft and just sell the OS. |
| 07:48.05 | nn | err multiproc, rather |
| 07:48.13 | bob2 | Twisted_Emotions: if you say so |
| 07:48.23 | Coke | ledestin: do you have that option with Windows today? someone from MS can logon to your computer remotely and fix stuff? |
| 07:48.44 | Twisted_Emotions | Coke: If you give them access.. |
| 07:48.51 | Guerin | Twisted_Emotions: so you're unable to come up with anything more convincing than "Apple could have been teh Micro$oft!!!111!@3" |
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| 07:49.03 | ledestin | Coke: I don't run Windows. But there is vnc... |
| 07:49.08 | simonrvn | oh wow, so original |
| 07:49.10 | Coke | I thought Microsoft connected to your computer without you giving them acces or even permission. :) |
| 07:49.23 | nn | Coke: i've seen that in a few cases |
| 07:49.25 | simonrvn | it's calle winxp |
| 07:49.31 | simonrvn | d |
| 07:49.39 | nn | in my firewall logs, strange upnp opening attempts |
| 07:49.43 | Solet | lol |
| 07:49.58 | nn | something on the xp box trying to open ports, right after installing it |
| 07:50.11 | nn | then it never tries again if it fails once |
| 07:50.19 | simonrvn | probably the mother ship making sure it can have full access |
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| 07:50.47 | bob2 | haha open ports |
| 07:50.50 | Twisted_Emotions | Guerin: What do you want a essay? I was a mac user back then... and the reason why I switched was because they were too expensive and the software was lacking... so I had no choice.. if they had opened up support for other people to build Mac's then they might not have gotten swallowed by Windows... I dont *KNOW* for sure.. but I dont see a reason why now. |
| 07:50.51 | nn | simonrvn: i dunno what it is, but it bothered me and i started doing various checks on the machines installed and dropping their traffic |
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| 07:51.05 | Guerin | Twisted_Emotions: ... |
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| 07:51.12 | nn | bob2: yea, it wanted to get port forwarding on strange ports |
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| 07:51.39 | Twisted_Emotions | Guerin: ? |
| 07:52.08 | nn | iirc 44044, 44444, 55055, and 55555 |
| 07:52.23 | bob2 | that sounds very trojany |
| 07:52.25 | nn | or maybe 55155 not 55555 |
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| 07:52.28 | simonrvn | it does |
| 07:52.31 | bob2 | and also sounds like a very good reason to never enable upnp |
| 07:52.40 | Solet | guerin: was it you that had the pvc/calk gun espresso maker page? |
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| 07:52.45 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: when i was still in sf. this guy was selling a 366mhz ibook with airport card and new battery for $200. i ask lower and he said $175 then i ask $160 the bastard stop replying. )=.. damn. |
| 07:52.50 | dawne | jm_: (or someone!) after i install kernel-image-etc...i have to reconfigure my boot manager (lilo)??? |
| 07:52.53 | liable | nn: didnt get the install cd from a warez site, did you :) |
| 07:52.57 | fatalblu | baaah damn you all |
| 07:53.00 | liable | jk |
| 07:53.07 | Solet | cause its impossible to get that kindof pressure with a caulk gun... we tried it... |
| 07:53.13 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.24 | jm_ | dawne: first of all check if Debian did it for you |
| 07:53.39 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: If the guy stops replying for 15 dollars then it was a scam man.. |
| 07:53.46 | fatalblu | debian did it for me! |
| 07:53.49 | fatalblu | hard as a ROCK |
| 07:53.51 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: hhahaha. |
| 07:53.58 | dawne | jm_: ok, gotta finish installing first |
| 07:54.07 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: You KNOW that shit HAD to be stolen. |
| 07:54.11 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.17 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: not that I would care but.. |
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| 07:54.24 | fatalblu | how big is it nn? |
| 07:54.32 | fatalblu | wow |
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| 07:54.38 | liable | how hard is it fatalblu |
| 07:54.38 | fatalblu | corona tastes like goat piss |
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| 07:54.44 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: i dont care if its stolen. as long as its not stolen from me (= |
| 07:54.46 | fatalblu | like a rock |
| 07:55.04 | Twisted_Emotions | fatalblu: add a lime.. it gets a little better. |
| 07:55.06 | fatalblu | i got wood like a 12 year old has dirty old men after them |
| 07:55.23 | dawne | lol |
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| 07:55.28 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Haha.. that was probably his plan... sell it to you... hit you on the head with the laptop and leave. |
| 07:55.32 | fatalblu | damnit |
| 07:55.35 | fatalblu | i need a job |
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| 07:55.52 | Solet | fatalblu: sarge is better :/ :P ... |
| 07:55.54 | hellop | apt-cache search has zliblg-dev, but not found when trying to apt-get it. what gives? |
| 07:56.10 | simonrvn | hellop: oneg, not ellg |
| 07:56.15 | fatalblu | it's hard to support a $5000 a week coke habit on a stock workers salary |
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| 07:56.53 | simonrvn | d |
| 07:57.01 | dawne | haha drop the coke, get some pepsi :P |
| 07:57.08 | Twisted_Emotions | fatalblu: That's why it's better to be a drunk. |
| 07:57.09 | hellop | simonrvn, ahha! I need a new console font! |
| 07:57.18 | sciboy | Ok, i'm looking for a small live cd that has cfdisk and resize_reiserfs on it. |
| 07:57.22 | sciboy | Any recommendations? |
| 07:57.25 | fatalblu | aye and being both is the worst |
| 07:57.32 | Twisted_Emotions | hellop: Was that really that exciting? |
| 07:57.37 | fatalblu | damn you careerbuilder.com, find me a job! |
| 07:57.54 | fatalblu | cause i need another machine |
| 07:57.55 | dawne | sciboy: knoppix probably, maybe even damnsmall |
| 07:57.57 | hellop | Twisted_Emotions, Yes! you should try it! |
| 07:57.58 | Solet | fatalblu: fuck a cop... then you got the coke hook up for life |
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| 07:58.12 | dawne | lol |
| 07:58.23 | Twisted_Emotions | hellop, AHHA! I NEED A NEW KERNEL! |
| 07:59.07 | sciboy | dawne: Oooh, got beaten, gentoo minimal has it. 61meg =) |
| 07:59.12 | Solet | omfg my hair is now past my shoulders... |
| 07:59.15 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Done.. |
| 07:59.15 | fatalblu | hey i've debated fucking a cop |
| 07:59.26 | fatalblu | but i ended up playing with solaris instead |
| 07:59.30 | nn | as long as you kill him/her afterwards, why not? |
| 07:59.38 | fatalblu | besides |
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| 07:59.39 | dawne | sciboy: ahh nice, i havent tried gentoo yet, didnt know they had a 'gentoo minimal' |
| 07:59.39 | Solet | fatalblu: thats how my boss does it... |
| 07:59.42 | nn | er... shit wrong room |
| 07:59.50 | fatalblu | having law enforcement around makes it harder to hide all the bodies |
| 07:59.53 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: error |
| 07:59.58 | Solet | Twisted_Emotions: you really need to get help with that bolemia |
| 08:00.05 | fatalblu | murdering strippers is a dangerous game |
| 08:00.11 | nn | fatalblu: no doubt |
| 08:00.16 | fatalblu | especially on the off chance that one has a family! |
| 08:00.16 | dawne | lol yep |
| 08:00.16 | sciboy | dawne: Gentoo minimal is pretty much the equivelant of our netinstall =) |
| 08:00.19 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.27 | Solet | dude now i gotta shower |
| 08:00.36 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: same error. |
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| 08:00.40 | fatalblu | i look at it like an alcoholic does, we both just want to crack open a cold one |
| 08:00.40 | Solet | i wasnt planning on one until atleast saturday |
| 08:00.46 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: It's that fucking video capture card... I pulled it out already what does it want from me? |
| 08:00.48 | dawne | sciboy: lol oh |
| 08:00.57 | nn | ok too far... i quit. |
| 08:00.59 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Just turn off the support for that card.. |
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| 08:01.35 | nn | i daren't risk becoming the target of a MODE change... i actually need help from this room for the next few days at least ;) |
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| 08:02.20 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: Any way to pick up where it left off? No huh? |
| 08:02.31 | IDC | I have a question please,png and jpg and gif,when all in the maxiume quality encode rate,which one would have the best quality in viewing ? |
| 08:02.34 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: i doubt it (= |
| 08:02.50 | IDC | I mean,the source was from a bmp |
| 08:02.55 | jm_ | IDC: that's a bogus question - it depends on how you create them |
| 08:02.57 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: no.. |
| 08:03.00 | Twisted_Emotions | clean |
| 08:03.05 | tabris|away | IDC: uhhhhh. no fair compare. PNG is lossless. JPG is lossy. and GIF is limited to 8 bit colour. |
| 08:03.25 | IDC | I took it it goes for jpg ? |
| 08:03.38 | jm_ | no, PNG supports compression too |
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| 08:03.46 | deadcat | Twisted_Emotions: i am going to shower and sleep. if it fails i give up (= |
| 08:04.07 | tabris|away | IDC: so jm_ is right, if I'd word it differently. a) JPG should never be an intermediate format. b) JPG should be used for final publication of photographs c) PNG should be used for final publication of line-art. |
| 08:04.11 | nn | i need to design a kickass media transport format sometime |
| 08:04.18 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: haha... kk.. dont know why you start in the first place... it was alright. |
| 08:04.24 | cef | IDC: it's not just how you create them, but what you intend to view them with that may also be important |
| 08:04.26 | deadcat | (= |
| 08:04.51 | nn | for carrying metadata, audio, video, etc, and even embedding the codec in some kind of bytecode ;) |
| 08:05.02 | tabris|away | nn: ogg |
| 08:05.09 | cef | IDC: PNG is always lossless. JPG has a quality setting that affects it's output, and GIF is just crap (256 colours max) |
| 08:05.10 | tabris|away | nn: well, minus the codec. |
| 08:05.11 | jm_ | yeah, I suppose it doesn't matter if you view it on the TV as opposed to monitor |
| 08:05.30 | jm_ | PNG has quality setting too |
| 08:05.31 | cef | IDC: as well as that, if you want animation, you're limited to PNG or GIF only |
| 08:05.42 | IDC | I have never seen people in #debian are zzZZZzzzz :) |
| 08:05.45 | tabris|away | jm_: quality setting? no. compression level, yes. |
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| 08:05.53 | nn | tabris|away: yea, add either codec in bytecode (doubtful) or maybe in the metadata a way to identify codec and such in a way to allow auto-retrieval :) |
| 08:05.59 | cef | jm_: but it's not like JPG's.. it's related to how much effort is put into compression |
| 08:06.07 | nn | just a patch to the ogg tools |
| 08:06.07 | tabris|away | nn: well, OGG has metadata extensions... |
| 08:06.08 | dawne | ummmm...i have windows installed along with debian on this comp...apt (or dpkg?) is asking if i want to install a boot block after doing the whole apt-get install kernel-image-blah...right now i have lilo in my MBR..what do i do, boot block, or no boot block? |
| 08:06.11 | nn | tabris|away: yeup |
| 08:06.23 | nn | just a patch to the tools to start inserting and using the tags |
| 08:06.35 | jm_ | tabris|away: I don't know about how it's really done, but in imagemagick it's the same switch as for JPG |
| 08:06.37 | nn | i think i'll play with that this weekend :) |
| 08:06.42 | jewel | I'm looking for a program to display a world map / atlas which the user can interact with (not a planet image generator) |
| 08:06.51 | jm_ | MIFF also supports animations, but not many viewers support it |
| 08:06.52 | cef | IDC: other things: Internet Explorer (if you're aiming for web stuff, it's still a consideration) will not display transparent PNG's properly. |
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| 08:07.22 | tabris|away | jm_: yeah, but JPG it determins the coefficients... in PNG it determines the zlib compress level. there is also a 'filter' setting. it's not really a filter that removes, just determines how it sorts the data for compression. |
| 08:07.29 | jm_ | dawne: boot block |
| 08:07.39 | dawne | jm_: okay thx |
| 08:07.41 | cef | IDC: oh and JPG doesn't support transparent backgrounds at all |
| 08:07.43 | OldVolks | i went to install debian for the first time (used freebsd, fedora, redhat in the past) |
| 08:07.43 | jm_ | tabris|away: ahh, thanks for the explanation (I wasn't aware it's just zlib) |
| 08:07.45 | tabris|away | nn: well, you wouldn't have to modify _the tools_ just some and make it a draft recommendation. |
| 08:07.49 | nn | grab a cvs checkout of oggtools and hack on it to store and read a metadata field indicating exact codec info |
| 08:08.09 | nottu | how do i find out the sshkey of my box ? |
| 08:08.12 | tabris|away | nn: I think you're making it a bit too hard. |
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| 08:08.24 | jm_ | nottu: man ssh-keygen |
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| 08:09.02 | tabris|away | nn: you don't have to modify the oggtools themselves really, I assume that you can use enumerated metadata types. use an enum value that is unused. make your app aware. implement. and make it a draft recommendation. |
| 08:09.05 | nn | tabris|away: if i make a patch for adding it to the ogg-tools sources then it'd have a good chance of getting in |
| 08:09.23 | cef | jm_: yeah well the big thing really stopping PNG getting bigger usage is purely that transparent backgrounds don't work in IE. It's becoming less of an issue now that Firefox on Windows is actually taking off though. |
| 08:09.47 | dawne | jm_: ummm...do i have to have an initrd=blah line in my lilo.conf now..there isnt one right now |
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| 08:09.49 | tabris|away | jm_: I think he might be wondering the host-key... |
| 08:10.18 | jm_ | tabris|away: he probably wants fingerprint for it - ssh-keygen will list it, you jsut need to call it properly (it's in FAQ) |
| 08:10.33 | tabris|away | jm_: aah. ssh-keygen -r <hostname> ? |
| 08:10.35 | jm_ | dawne: yes, you need it with Debian's kernel images |
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| 08:10.42 | jm_ | tabris|away: no, -l lists the fingerprint |
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| 08:10.50 | tabris|away | jm_: fwiw, you're better off using GRUB anyhow. |
| 08:11.06 | dawne | jm_: ok...ill see if i can figure it out |
| 08:11.12 | nn | i just looked in my /misc/scripts/ and i have about 150 shell scripts i overuse |
| 08:11.26 | jm_ | tabris|away: heh, I am using GRUB - but he isn't, and initrd question still applies |
| 08:11.39 | tabris|away | jm_: yes, i'm rather saying he probably should switch. |
| 08:11.46 | IDC | Thanks :) |
| 08:11.56 | nn | i love grub <333 |
| 08:12.06 | tabris|away | beats lilo anyday. |
| 08:12.07 | IDC | I need it to be transpareable,loseless i go for png,thanks ,brb |
| 08:12.08 | nn | it's saved my life a few times |
| 08:12.12 | dawne | well should i? i used to use it, but now i cant remember like anything about it |
| 08:12.14 | nn | tabris|away: lilo was great for it's day |
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| 08:12.24 | tabris|away | nn: true. but GRUB supplanted him. ;) |
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| 08:12.29 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.44 | OldVolk | my connection sucks latetly |
| 08:12.45 | tabris|away | nn: i'm sure lilo likes to think so. after all, he runs the network ;) |
| 08:12.47 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.54 | tabris|away | nn: mostly older ones, but yes. |
| 08:12.55 | liable | dawne: your intrd line should be the same as the old one, but diff kern version |
| 08:12.57 | nottu | jm_: hmmm... i still can't understand how to get the key of my system |
| 08:13.01 | jm_ | dawne: maybe leave it for another day - say when festival will could be used to say "switch to GRUB, damnit" (requires working sound card) |
| 08:13.07 | nn | tabris|away: yea, i have a cluster of p133's |
| 08:13.07 | OldVolk | what i last say? |
| 08:13.13 | jm_ | nottu: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 08:13.25 | OldVolk | before about my connection, i dont want to repeat my question if not needed to |
| 08:13.27 | dawne | jm_: lol okay |
| 08:13.28 | nn | and more dual ppro 233's coming |
| 08:13.37 | nn | all with at least 512mb of ram |
| 08:13.46 | nn | great storage servers heh |
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| 08:13.56 | dawne | liable: i have no initrd line though |
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| 08:14.06 | tarzeau | is there some sort of fuzzy diff? |
| 08:14.11 | nn | the good ppro's (milspec ones) are mad reliable |
| 08:14.12 | liable | dawne: for the old one? |
| 08:14.15 | nn | tabris|away: context (c) |
| 08:14.18 | bob2 | tarzeau: you mean patch? |
| 08:14.19 | nn | err |
| 08:14.21 | nn | sorry unified |
| 08:14.27 | tarzeau | bob2: no a fuzzy diff |
| 08:14.33 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.37 | tarzeau | bob2: like bob2 is so similar to boob2 i don't care |
| 08:14.37 | bob2 | tarzeau: how do you mean? |
| 08:14.41 | OldVolk | i went to install debian for the first time (used freebsd, fedora, redhat in the past) and it takes like 30 minutes to reformat and do all that, i got the cd where it installs over the internet, it ask which boot loader to use, i tried both grub and lilo, both i let setup automaticly, i restart and it says invalid system disk... what am i doing wrong? |
| 08:14.56 | dawne | liable: yea, so where do i add this? |
| 08:15.00 | tarzeau | bob2: one char per line different , n % different |
| 08:15.01 | nn | tabris|away: diff -u is somewhat 'fuzzy' in that line numbering isn't so critical |
| 08:15.05 | bob2 | tarzeau: hmm, ok |
| 08:15.18 | tabris|away | nn: hence why i use -pu |
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| 08:15.23 | tarzeau | bob2: there's fuzzy string compares based on soundex and other rules |
| 08:15.29 | bob2 | yeah |
| 08:15.37 | bob2 | haven't heard of someone putting that in a diff tool, tho |
| 08:15.37 | tarzeau | bob2: as c functions, i discovered long years ago. now i need that on files |
| 08:15.42 | nn | tabris|away: i'll have to try it |
| 08:15.44 | nottu | jm_: well someone needs to connect at my box throw ssh, and i need to add some options in his .ssh file i need his key |
| 08:15.56 | liable | dawne: well, you initrd image is in boot |
| 08:16.10 | cef | dawne: do you have a line that says "image=/vmlinuz" ? if so, add after it " initrd=/initrd.img" |
| 08:16.20 | liable | dawne: isnt there examples in the conf, sorry, dont use lilo |
| 08:16.28 | tabris|away | nn: it just adds to the @nn,mm header. the function name. works in perl, C, java, probably others |
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| 08:16.41 | liable | dawne: s/boot/ /boot |
| 08:16.43 | dawne | liable: ahhhh okay...you are right, i remember now somewhat |
| 08:16.43 | tabris|away | nn: so it's not so useful to the patch util but definitely to the luser who is reading the patch |
| 08:16.45 | cef | dawne: in /, you should see symbolic links for vmlinuz and initrd.img that point into /boot |
| 08:17.01 | dawne | cef: yea i got it, thanks |
| 08:17.11 | cef | dawne: no probs |
| 08:17.27 | jm_ | nottu: no, he needs to generate his own key, then he uploads his public key to your server and adds it into the appropriate file - is this what you really want? |
| 08:17.39 | nn | i'm trying to figure out a good raid strategy for both the individual file servers, and the entire collection overall |
| 08:17.58 | tabris|away | nn: raid strategy: pillage, THEN burn. |
| 08:18.03 | nottu | jm_: yes, but he dosen't know his key |
| 08:18.05 | debian | tabris|away: hahahah |
| 08:18.18 | debian | tabris|away: no sexual assualt? |
| 08:18.25 | tabris|away | debian: trying to keep it clean. |
| 08:18.29 | nn | doing striping on the machines with backups elsewhere or actually N+1 or worse parity |
| 08:18.35 | debian | tabris|away: very professional |
| 08:18.37 | tabris|away | debian: if so then it'd be "rape, THEN pillage" |
| 08:18.41 | dawne | allrighty looks good, gonna reboot and see if my computer explodes :P...if not i shall try to get the sound goin next...later guys and thanks to all who helped, i needed it! |
| 08:18.49 | debian | tabris|away: not after burn, ok... |
| 08:18.58 | tabris|away | debian: it doesn't work with a triplet. |
| 08:18.59 | cef | nn: would depend on the hardware and the performance requirements |
| 08:19.25 | tabris|away | nottu: uhhh. have him look in ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub |
| 08:19.26 | eye69 | Anybody running AMD64? I've booted on the ISO I got from http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ but there doesn't seem to be any modules on the CD, so my NIC can't be found. Should I try the DFS CD instead? |
| 08:19.26 | jm_ | nottu: he needs to generate it ;) |
| 08:19.31 | debian | nn: well, you want to kill the system strategically? |
| 08:19.44 | bob2 | eye69: #debian-amd64 might know more |
| 08:20.08 | eye69 | bob2: Ok, thanks. |
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| 08:20.41 | nn | debian: Eh? |
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| 08:21.00 | nottu | jm_: he already has the key... generated at the linux instalation i presume |
| 08:21.04 | nn | cef: performance isn't too insane, doing switched gigabit ether |
| 08:21.08 | tabris|away | nottu: that's a host key... |
| 08:21.34 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.48 | nn | for two purposes, recovery, and examination of how it grows heh |
| 08:22.03 | nn | it's a crazy project that's being slowly documented and built ;) |
| 08:22.04 | kjparker | anyone got any suggestions for being able to install/update a sarge install over a slow/unreliable link? |
| 08:22.15 | jm_ | nottu: no, that's his host key, he needs his own key for these purposes |
| 08:22.41 | kjparker | when i do an apt-get update it will often time out.... |
| 08:22.56 | kjparker | would i be better off using a http connection using a proxy or something? |
| 08:23.03 | jm_ | kjparker: one option would be to run apt-get --print-uris upgrade (or whatever) to get the URL-s, download them with wget/whatever, put them in cache, et voila |
| 08:23.15 | cef | nn: raid 1+0 if you want speed is always a good bet.. of course, there is no reason you have to restrict yourself to just 2 levels of raid. raid 6 does look interesting, but it's not that well tested. raid 5 has the usual issues that if you do a rebuild after a disk dies, and then another disk dies you're history.. but the same is true of many raid solutions |
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| 08:24.26 | cef | nn: looked at rsnapshot? |
| 08:24.43 | nn | cef: not yet |
| 08:24.45 | nn | i will |
| 08:24.50 | nn | bbi~30m |
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| 08:25.15 | liable | kjparker: yeah, try a different server, http or ftp, apperently the http ones are faster or somesuch |
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| 08:25.24 | cef | nn: uses symbolic links so you only end up storing any differences, yet each "view" of the system is a whole snapshot |
| 08:25.27 | jethro | mornin |
| 08:26.01 | cef | well time to go.. later ppl |
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| 08:28.16 | kjparker | grr, i'm trying to install sarge on my desktop system (i practised on my old laptop) but I downloaded so many different iso's and such when deciding on a distro |
| 08:28.19 | kjparker | that i am now shaped... |
| 08:28.21 | kjparker | :( |
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| 08:29.51 | dawne | god there's a lot of people here..okay so it booted up..and now i do see CONFIG_ISAPNP=m in the kernel config file, which is good i assume...anyone know what i do next to get my ISA P&P soundcard goin? |
| 08:31.14 | liable | dawne: is it loaded? dunno from there though :( |
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| 08:31.50 | dawne | oh and when starting KDE, i get a sound server informational message: "error while initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (no such device)"...liable: is what loaded? |
| 08:32.04 | liable | dawne: the module |
| 08:32.21 | liable | dawne: the error is cause you got no sound :) |
| 08:32.43 | bob2 | hrm |
| 08:32.47 | npx | just saw ep3 |
| 08:32.50 | npx | excellent |
| 08:32.53 | bob2 | emacs doen't want to match ^\d+ |
| 08:32.55 | dawne | i dont think it is actually, what is the name of it? i tried insmod isapnp, but apparently its not called 'isapnp' :/ |
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| 08:33.21 | bob2 | isapnp isn't just a kernel module |
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| 08:33.49 | dawne | ahk i should use modprobe anyways...bob2: what do you mean? |
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| 08:34.51 | liable | dawne: modprobe -l | grep isa* |
| 08:36.34 | bob2 | dawne: I'm pretty sure just loading the module isn't enough |
| 08:36.39 | bob2 | you have to run pnpdump or something |
| 08:36.46 | bob2 | tho, I've never used isa myself with linux |
| 08:37.24 | dawne | liable: ummm...lots of output on that one...not seeing anything too interesting...modules loaded right now are: soundcore,af_packet,rtc,ide-scsi,scsi_mod,3c59x,parport_pc,lp,parport,ide-disk,ide-probe-mod,ide-mod,ext3,jbd,unix...bob2: pnpdump? uhh ill try it |
| 08:37.51 | bob2 | you need to find a howto |
| 08:37.57 | bob2 | everyone here (me included) is guessing |
| 08:38.02 | liable | yah |
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| 08:38.27 | dawne | ahhh allright, thanks a lot for trying though guys |
| 08:38.52 | dawne | i'll ask google now |
| 08:40.17 | liable | dawne: there a few promising links on google |
| 08:40.21 | jm_ | pnpdump was with isapnp, I don't think that's needed with kernel support for it |
| 08:41.03 | dawne | mmm yes google has turned up good stuff, must read |
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| 08:42.04 | jm_ | also read isapnp.txt (kernel docs) |
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| 08:42.36 | dawne | jm_: will do, thanks |
| 08:42.42 | nn | back :) |
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| 08:42.58 | nn | cef: cool |
| 08:43.02 | bspc | hi |
| 08:43.42 | bspc | anyone knows what will be the next title after sarge? |
| 08:44.02 | stouset | Etch. |
| 08:44.14 | bspc | ? |
| 08:44.15 | streuner_ | !etch |
| 08:44.15 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
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| 08:45.22 | bspc | thanks |
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| 08:47.48 | nn | I'm slowly getting my lovely happy debian mirroratron working |
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| 08:48.05 | giupy | how can i exec a .run file ? |
| 08:48.13 | bob2 | depends what it is |
| 08:48.18 | bob2 | it had no instructions at all? |
| 08:48.22 | giupy | bob2, doom3 demo :) |
| 08:48.27 | nn | first part works, grabbing packages, second part should work compiling them, and i know my last steps work |
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| 08:50.39 | stouset | giupy: I'm guessing "sh file.run" |
| 08:50.43 | dawne | giupy: try 'file blah.run' to find out what it is...ok ill be back, just realized something |
| 08:50.53 | giupy | i try |
| 08:51.46 | giupy | stouset, it seems to running :) |
| 08:51.58 | stouset | Don't run it as root. |
| 08:52.05 | giupy | no |
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| 08:53.10 | directhex|work | almost every single linux game comes as a loki installer, in a selfgz shell script. "sh foobar.run" is the correect course of action. |
| 08:54.13 | stouset | directhex|work: Why didn't they ever just release games as RPM or .deb? =P I hate shit that breaks packaging. |
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| 08:54.55 | directhex|work | stouset, to avoid distro specificness. and it all goes into ~/games or /usr/local/games by default anyway, so little breakage |
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| 08:56.24 | stouset | directhex|work: I suppose =\ |
| 08:57.29 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: U there? |
| 08:57.33 | nn | yay for habenero pepper bagels <3 |
| 08:57.48 | bob2 | so wrong |
| 08:57.58 | directhex|work | mmmm bagel |
| 08:58.20 | stouset | Mmm pepper. |
| 08:58.33 | liable | mmm beer :) |
| 08:58.45 | stouset | What kind of beer? |
| 08:58.48 | SuperSox | mmmm *stomach rumbles* |
| 08:58.57 | liable | dont ask, cheap aussie beer |
| 08:59.08 | SuperSox | not... F*sters? |
| 08:59.15 | liable | shit no |
| 08:59.20 | liable | c'mon |
| 08:59.33 | SuperSox | they keep pushing it in the UK and telling us that Aussie's drinkit |
| 08:59.45 | liable | we only export that shit, no one here drinks it :) |
| 09:00.04 | liable | hah |
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| 09:00.18 | nn | lol |
| 09:00.19 | SuperSox | its bloody horrible |
| 09:00.22 | directhex|work | i thought it was castlemaine xxxx the convicts all drink |
| 09:00.27 | directhex|work | or was that only in the early 1990s |
| 09:00.30 | stouset | SuperSox: They do that in the states here |
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| 09:00.40 | stouset | SuperSox: "Fosters. Australian for beer." |
| 09:00.42 | SuperSox | directhex|work: I used to be able to mimic the dive in that advert :) |
| 09:00.43 | nn | hahahah |
| 09:00.47 | directhex|work | anyway, all fosters in the uk is brewed in the uk |
| 09:00.51 | stouset | SuperSox: According to an Australian I know, "Fosters. Australian for horse piss." |
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| 09:00.58 | nn | i need some finnish ganja |
| 09:01.04 | SuperSox | stouset: same here heh, my taste buds agree. |
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| 09:02.03 | liable | stouset: theres a funny picture of a horse drinling beer, then pissing into a fosters keg :) |
| 09:02.06 | umbop | hmm is there a way to not make Xserver open to external use through i.e. port 6000 |
| 09:02.11 | liable | *drinking |
| 09:02.38 | SuperSox | umbop: man xhost |
| 09:02.44 | dpryo | Hmm, I've installed (forced!) a package that requires xfree86-common, but it REALLY doesn't require it.. is it possible to mage dpkg/apt-get ignore this dependency? (So I can install more packages:) |
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| 09:02.54 | dpryo | s/mage/make/ |
| 09:02.57 | stouset | umbop: Xserver isn't open to external use by default. |
| 09:03.13 | umbop | hmm mine is :( |
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| 09:10.23 | QUACH-VU | hi, how can i check the version of my debian server ? |
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| 09:10.28 | QUACH-VU | in shell? |
| 09:10.36 | simonrvn | QUACH-VU: version of what? |
| 09:10.40 | QUACH-VU | debian |
| 09:10.47 | Agrajag- | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:10.52 | QUACH-VU | thx |
| 09:11.20 | QUACH-VU | my server get dos attack and always my ip blocked |
| 09:11.21 | QUACH-VU | :) |
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| 09:11.58 | positrix | where do i go to register a domain? |
| 09:12.18 | simonrvn | positrix: google it |
| 09:12.35 | positrix | i tried, all i got was spam |
| 09:12.55 | bob2 | you go to a registrar |
| 09:12.55 | bob2 | I've been pretty happy with www.joker.com |
| 09:13.00 | bob2 | other pople like godaddy |
| 09:13.05 | bob2 | just stay away from network solutions |
| 09:13.07 | jethro | gandi.net is fine too |
| 09:13.19 | bob2 | since they're part of the verisgn axis of retardedness |
| 09:13.26 | simonrvn | yes. stay away from those fuckers (NS) |
| 09:13.31 | nn | fs-pkgfs: delaying initialization for dependancy in wait-load state (flags=PTS_sticky|PTS_critical). |
| 09:13.35 | deadcat | haha they all have silly names. godaddy, gandi, joker. |
| 09:13.38 | jethro | hah axis of retardedness |
| 09:13.38 | bob2 | oh, the root servers are down? how did that happen? |
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| 09:13.43 | nn | hmm |
| 09:13.47 | nn | PTS_*? |
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| 09:13.54 | kjparker | hmm, i may have found a mirror that doesn't time out.... |
| 09:13.58 | nn | now which header did i misplace that in |
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| 09:14.15 | positrix | thanks |
| 09:14.16 | simonrvn | !bob2++ |
| 09:14.19 | dive | can someone point me to a howto/faq/whatever on setting up debian (woody) as an NFS server? specifically, I want to share to a machine on a VPN |
| 09:14.40 | bob2 | dive: that's going to be kinda crap |
| 09:14.43 | deadcat | dive: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server |
| 09:14.48 | bob2 | the client won't like it when the vpn goes down |
| 09:15.28 | sepski | dive, use soft connection, to ease the nfs connection a bit, not so critical when vpn goes down |
| 09:15.37 | dive | bob2: the vpn is between a rather reliable cable modem and a 99.9% uptime guarentee hosting provider, and I plan to use soft mounts anyway, I've had no troubles with doing it that way before, as long as the NFS server comes back up eventually |
| 09:15.48 | bob2 | ah, ok |
| 09:15.52 | bob2 | what deadcat said then |
| 09:16.03 | bob2 | as long as your kernel is decent (ie a kernel-image-blah one) |
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| 09:16.42 | dive | I'm pretty sure my kernel is a stock woody 2.4.18 plus some specific mods added by the provider |
| 09:17.04 | sepski | dive, and you should consider sarge since it's not long til it's released, with woody you will eventualy not have security updates anylonger |
| 09:17.11 | bob2 | that won't be a happy kernel server |
| 09:17.23 | bob2 | sepski: potato was supported for 18 months after woody came out |
| 09:17.45 | sepski | bob2, is that the official timeline 18 months ? or was that unusual ? |
| 09:17.55 | dive | sepski: I plan to go to sarge soon... but I want to get everything working first, so I know the basic process, as my linux is VERY rusty, and I'd never actually used Debian before about a month ago. |
| 09:17.59 | bob2 | I don't know |
| 09:18.27 | nn | damnit |
| 09:18.30 | simonrvn | iirc 12 months is usual |
| 09:18.35 | simonrvn | ~12 |
| 09:18.36 | apt | 12 is probably 1 |
| 09:18.39 | nn | another ALTARS firmware upgrade |
| 09:18.48 | sepski | better start thinking about migrating my woody servers then . |
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| 09:18.55 | simonrvn | apt: shut up |
| 09:18.56 | apt | yes, Master simonrvn |
| 09:19.01 | honschu | How to reinstall a debian-package? |
| 09:19.11 | simonrvn | bah. needs modding, that factoid, yes |
| 09:19.15 | tarzeau | honschu: --reinstall |
| 09:19.19 | sepski | honschu, apt-get install --reinstall package |
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| 09:21.15 | positrix | i dont mean to spoil it for those of you who havent seen ep III yet, but jar-jar unfortunately does NOT get blown up, tortured by lightsabers, or killed by Force-lightning. |
| 09:21.40 | andrewm | wishful thinking I guess that would happen |
| 09:22.35 | sepski | positrix, i feel he could have left him out alltogether. that glimse of jar-jar only ruined the moment |
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| 09:25.28 | kombi | what is the tool of choice to detect server attacks like DOS etc? |
| 09:25.53 | simonrvn | log reading, monitoring apps |
| 09:25.59 | kombi | which? |
| 09:26.02 | Agrajag- | snort works pretty well for me |
| 09:26.08 | simonrvn | your brain is number 1 on that list |
| 09:26.16 | kombi | I heard good things about snort.. |
| 09:26.30 | andrewm | snort easy to use with debian? |
| 09:26.39 | Agrajag- | depends how stupid you are |
| 09:26.43 | sepski | kombi, snort is powerful, but not exactly easy to setup for a first timer |
| 09:27.08 | kombi | what about a ping script from another host? |
| 09:27.13 | simonrvn | Agrajag-: hehe |
| 09:27.39 | sepski | kombi, if your interested in measuring ping loss and latency then you want to install smokeping |
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| 09:28.15 | kombi | well, actually I just want to be notified when the russians strike.. |
| 09:28.30 | robin_sz | meep? |
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| 09:28.56 | bob2 | you need to know exactly what you're trying to prevent |
| 09:28.58 | bob2 | and detect |
| 09:28.59 | sepski | kombi, you want to be alterted if you server goes down no matter what the reason, you might look into nagios |
| 09:29.25 | kombi | that sounds like the appropriate measure.. |
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| 09:31.00 | robin_sz | OK, im thjick .. I admit it .. now .. having apt-got the source and build deps, 1) where did the source go? |
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| 09:32.10 | kombi | bob2: a massive amount of traffic coming from the same host for example, difficult to tell whether its legitimite or not though |
| 09:32.13 | sepski | robin_sz, did you check /usr/src ? or do dpkg -L packagename |
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| 09:32.49 | bob2 | kombi: guess |
| 09:32.53 | bob2 | you ran it as a normal user |
| 09:33.01 | bob2 | there's only one reasonable place to put the source in that case |
| 09:33.02 | ruede | how well is the support for nforce4 chipset? |
| 09:33.13 | bob2 | er, robin_sz |
| 09:33.18 | bob2 | hint : the current dir you're in |
| 09:33.28 | robin_sz | sepski: yep thats the first place I looked |
| 09:33.29 | bob2 | ruede: probably depends on how many bugs it has to work around |
| 09:33.38 | robin_sz | bob2: ah .. yes |
| 09:33.45 | frederik | hello, my wvdialconf won't use my smartlink modem |
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| 09:33.51 | ruede | hhmm |
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| 09:34.13 | streuner_ | frederik: extern or intern? |
| 09:34.29 | frederik | streuner_: intern, laptop |
| 09:34.30 | alexandre | re |
| 09:34.33 | kombi | nagios seems cool, thanks! |
| 09:34.47 | streuner_ | frederik: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 09:34.51 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.58 | deadcat | alias flipcoin='[ $[$RANDOM %2] -eq 0 ] && echo "head" || echo "tail"' |
| 09:35.22 | alexandre | bi g bu of firefex with the page: http://www.football365.fr/infos_clubs/lyon/story_172730.shtml |
| 09:35.55 | directhex|work | worksforme |
| 09:35.58 | kneet | Does unstable (running 2.6.x) have support for pcmcia usb2 adapters? |
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| 09:36.52 | nn | alexandre: or a bug of the site |
| 09:36.59 | terryc | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.01 | streuner_ | frederik: /msg dpkg winmodem |
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| 09:37.05 | nn | ie: clueless "web designer" |
| 09:37.14 | directhex|work | what's the supposed problem? |
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| 09:38.07 | directhex|work | <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="GPS,perl,linux,php"> |
| 09:38.17 | directhex|work | ^^ i suspect it would have been tested on non-msie |
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| 09:38.48 | frederik | streuner_: thanks... forgot about the bots here ;) |
| 09:39.15 | streuner_ | frederik: what model (laptop) do you have? |
| 09:39.45 | frederik | streuner_: gericom something, about 1/2 a year old |
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| 09:40.56 | streuner_ | frederik: get an hardware-router, less headaches... |
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| 09:41.24 | frederik | streuner_: I would prefer that as well, but it's my girlfriend's. |
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| 09:42.00 | frederik | streuner_: I am moving her to Linux but without access to the net she says she won't do it |
| 09:42.11 | sepski | frederik, now you have an good iead for her next birthdaypresent :) |
| 09:42.12 | robin_sz | bob2: thanks, sometimes the most obvious place is the last place you look |
| 09:42.31 | bob2 | heh |
| 09:42.40 | bob2 | jesus, what the hell is using all my bandwidth |
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| 09:45.39 | CAiRO | what should i do when i get messages like these: smartd[19356]: Device: /dev/hdd, ATA error count increased from 0 to 1 or smartd[19356]: Device: /dev/hdd, 1 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors? |
| 09:46.00 | LordFrith | deadcat: That seems a bit primitive, don't ya think? |
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| 09:46.55 | toukitsune | has anyone tried putting a version of debian on a hiptop before? |
| 09:47.05 | SiliconViper | Anything important happen while I was away? Sarge get release? Debian take over Gentoo? Linus get made emperor of earth? |
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| 09:47.35 | umbop | hm if i have a parition of / but then other partitions /chroot etc, how can i just scan / and exclude other partitions, i need to free up some space and i can't find out what it is taken all the space up |
| 09:47.36 | streuner_ | SiliconViper: /topic |
| 09:47.39 | giupy | coping files from xfs to ext3 can cause some problems ? |
| 09:47.50 | SiliconViper | streuner_, hmm? |
| 09:47.55 | frederik | Ok, ppp0 and eth0 are conflicting each other... is there a Debian way to resolve that? |
| 09:47.58 | toukitsune | Linus is the god of my religion |
| 09:48.04 | streuner_ | giupy: no, not if the FS's are ok and the HD's |
| 09:48.26 | giupy | streuner_ mmm so can there an hd prob if something goes wrong ? |
| 09:48.27 | robin_sz | ok, so imagine im still stupid ... I have the sources .. I modify the makefile to enable the bit i need .. then how do I build the .deb? |
| 09:48.29 | streuner_ | SiliconViper: "SARGE HAS FROZEN" |
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| 09:48.48 | streuner_ | giupy: sure, look at the logs |
| 09:48.49 | SiliconViper | streuner_, Oh, I know that. I was attempting to be amusing in some capacity. |
| 09:49.00 | positrix | SiliconViper: Duke Nukem Forever was released (jk) |
| 09:49.18 | nn | woohoo |
| 09:49.20 | robin_sz | SiliconViper: wrap him up warm in blankets and feed him some nice warm tea |
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| 09:49.33 | nn | package build is rolling along! |
| 09:49.57 | nn | My scripts are working for the most part, need some serious improvement but so far so good |
| 09:50.02 | SiliconViper | positrix, ... damn. I had $10 riding on DN:Forever not being released before Longhorn. |
| 09:51.16 | nn | then i gotta create my 'insanity' release |
| 09:51.35 | nn | which is as much cvs/svn/bk sources as possible l ol |
| 09:52.40 | giupy | well, another simply question, i have 2hd of 80gb, 1hd: 1000mb swap 5000mb ext3 root 74gb xfs /home. second hd: 1000mb swap 5000mb /usr and 74gb oh /home, the home is in raid0 software, I CAN FORMAT ALL, do you think should i use ext3 fs for /home dir too ? |
| 09:52.42 | nn | that'd be perfect imho for what i'm wanting to do.. have a big cvs repository of the system which frontends to generate packages and what not :) |
| 09:53.07 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:55.17 | giupy | can xfs loose some files itself? |
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| 09:56.38 | kjparker | if i have multiple sources in my sources.list, if it times out from one should it try again from another, hopefully continuing from where it left off? |
| 09:57.33 | giupy | well dpkg says me to use ext3 if i have to ask :) |
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| 09:58.35 | TwistedEmotions | Just ran the command dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.11.10+splash_10.00.Custom_i386.deb" do I need to add something to lilo? |
| 09:58.54 | liable | kjparker: still problems? |
| 09:59.01 | kjparker | liable, yep |
| 09:59.10 | liable | TwistedEmotions: yes I think you do |
| 09:59.12 | kjparker | my connection is slower than a 28.8k modem |
| 09:59.17 | asg | TwistedEmotions: verify that lilo.conf has an entry for the new kernel and/or initrd |
| 09:59.17 | kjparker | a really dodgy modem |
| 09:59.19 | liable | ouch |
| 09:59.56 | billy | \j #linuxhelp |
| 09:59.59 | directhex|work | TwistedEmotions, you also need to use a 16 bit vesa framebuffer (e.g. vga=791) and a splash screen mode (e.g. silent), on your kernel options line |
| 10:00.02 | liable | kjparker: did you try apt-setup and use the us debian mirror? |
| 10:00.06 | kjparker | it's almost worth drqagging my tower to work and doing it there.... |
| 10:00.21 | kjparker | liable.... yes, and it's too slow from here in oz |
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| 10:00.50 | liable | kjparker: hah, one a 28 kbs modem? |
| 10:01.01 | kjparker | huh? |
| 10:01.03 | TwistedEmotions | asg: No new line was created in /etc/lilo.conf... should I add manually? |
| 10:01.12 | sypher | Hello Guys, someone knowns how to set a font (Kochi Gothic) worldwide into fluxbox? |
| 10:01.19 | asg | TwistedEmotions: yes (and follow directhex|work's advice above also) |
| 10:01.21 | directhex|work | TwistedEmotions, if you want quick, easy, simple, automagic, you should be using grub |
| 10:01.23 | liable | kjparker: nm, misread |
| 10:01.29 | asg | TwistedEmotions: don't forget to run /sbin/lilo afterwards |
| 10:01.30 | sypher | i mean, in themes, in windows titles and such ... |
| 10:01.32 | kjparker | liable, i'm on cable, but shaped.... |
| 10:01.53 | TwistedEmotions | directhex|work: How do I add the framcebuffer and splash screen mod to kernel? |
| 10:01.57 | umbop | hmm how can i exclude files from a find or exclude say /this/path from a find |
| 10:02.01 | umbop | if i am doing find / |
| 10:02.08 | TwistedEmotions | directhex|work: Grub doesnt work for me... |
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| 10:02.13 | umbop | i read the man page but i can't see exclusion anywhere in there |
| 10:02.26 | jm_ | umbop: info find |
| 10:02.54 | directhex|work | TwistedEmotions, um... your custom bootsplash kernel should already have the required bits compiled statically (cramfs, vesafb, bootsplash), so add "vga=791 silent" to the end of the kernel options line |
| 10:02.56 | liable | kjparker: did you try the aus mirror url in a browser? |
| 10:03.18 | umbop | hmm i can specify path but i want the path to be everything but something, either i am being blind, but it doesn't state it |
| 10:03.37 | TwistedEmotions | directhex|work: In the lilo config file? |
| 10:03.43 | directhex|work | TwistedEmotions, yes |
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| 10:04.42 | umbop | ahh found it now thanks |
| 10:04.43 | Kream | I want to find out which package owns /usr/src/linux/include |
| 10:04.48 | Kream | rather |
| 10:05.05 | sepski | Kream, apt-file ? |
| 10:05.13 | nn | this is cool :) |
| 10:05.20 | Kream | I want to find out which package owns /usr/src/linux/include/pcmcia/cs.h ... i'm using dpkg-query -S [filename] is that hte way ? |
| 10:05.29 | nn | i'm working on a project with voip and cvs :) |
| 10:05.32 | nn | and irc |
| 10:05.49 | liable | Kream: why not ls -a |
| 10:06.07 | directhex|work | Kream, apt-file |
| 10:06.27 | Kream | liable: ls -a would show me the file, not the package which owns it |
| 10:06.45 | directhex|work | Kream, for reference, no debian package uses "/usr/src/linux" |
| 10:07.18 | karsten_ | Kream: 'dpkg -S <filename>' |
| 10:07.19 | sepski | Kream, /usr/src/linux is probably a symlink anyway to one of the kernel-sources installed on /usr/src |
| 10:07.29 | Kream | ahh |
| 10:07.36 | directhex|work | kernel-headers-2.6.8-2: usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2/include/pcmcia/cs.h |
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| 10:08.01 | karsten | Kream: ...and exclude the path for reasons sepski gives. |
| 10:08.27 | Kream | thanks guys :) |
| 10:08.55 | dli | how to let gcc accept an empty label at the end of a function, like "exit:}" |
| 10:09.17 | yalu | hello! I have a problem (yet again): suddenly, the helvetica font disappeared. I haven't upgraded anything, yesterday everything looked fine and today I have a pretty ugly-fonted desktop |
| 10:09.23 | asg | dli: #c might be a better forum for that question |
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| 10:10.39 | toukitsune | could someone tell me what the total install size of irssi is? |
| 10:10.48 | asg | toukitsune: apt-cache show irssi-text |
| 10:10.51 | folden | small |
| 10:10.51 | jm_ | dli: it does, but gives a warning |
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| 10:11.27 | dli | jm_: no, gcc-3.4.3, it fails |
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| 10:11.45 | dli | jm_: I found this in a source file of gnome-network |
| 10:11.57 | jm_ | dli: ahh try adding a ; after it |
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| 10:13.07 | wew | hey can i join ? |
| 10:13.21 | asg | you presumably already have |
| 10:13.36 | TwistedEmotions | fatal_: Unsupported bitmap? |
| 10:13.38 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone? |
| 10:13.57 | TwistedEmotions | when I run /sbin/lilo... I get that error. |
| 10:14.06 | liable | get support for it :) |
| 10:14.36 | TwistedEmotions | thanks liable.. |
| 10:14.37 | umbop | hmm files like wtmp, to see last login is there a way to clear these as mine is like erm 208mb and i need the space ? |
| 10:14.39 | TwistedEmotions | no really.. |
| 10:14.43 | liable | TwistedEmotions: np |
| 10:14.43 | TwistedEmotions | your great. |
| 10:14.47 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 10:14.50 | liable | :) |
| 10:15.04 | dli | jm_: it's not my codes, just report a bug then. putting a return; works fine |
| 10:15.19 | jm_ | dli: just ';' will work too |
| 10:15.36 | asg | umbop: > /var/log/wtmp |
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| 10:22.22 | robin_sz | OK, I have the asterisk-zaptel package that I need to recompile with a particular option (ztdummy) enabled ... i have the sources, i can build them with buildpackage .. but even after I enable ztdummy in the makefile, it doesnt get built. Now what? |
| 10:22.42 | jm_ | don't change it in Makefile, fix how configure is called |
| 10:22.47 | jm_ | fix=change |
| 10:23.15 | dli | jm_: some old gnome-network file :( |
| 10:23.38 | robin_sz | jm_: configure? |
| 10:23.54 | jm_ | robin_sz: yes, that's how such options are usually enabled |
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| 10:24.21 | robin_sz | jm_: there is no ./configure in this package |
| 10:24.39 | jm_ | robin_sz: then figure out its build system, debian/rules is your friend |
| 10:24.50 | robin_sz | k |
| 10:25.04 | jm_ | besides, configure script is very often generated using auto-tools |
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| 10:28.33 | Fred21 | Hello |
| 10:28.57 | Fred21 | i've "Your Clamav Installation is Outdated " i've the 0.84 On Debian Sarge |
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| 10:30.02 | frederik | my winmodem is not being recognized as a serial device (why should it?!?), and that gives wvdial a hard time. but this modem is working right now, with pon/poff. i had wvdial and this modem working on kanotix, and just would like to know what causes my problem. |
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| 10:30.30 | liable | frederik: I get the same error, but wvdial still works |
| 10:30.42 | Maestre | cabrones |
| 10:31.16 | rick_ | Anyone know about the metacity strtup procedure please? I get the gnome-session-proxy and metacity icons, but then nothing. /v/l/msgs gives 'failed to read and open session file /home/user/.metacity/sessions/xxx.ms'. there are 15 .ms files there, but not the one its looking for. TIA. |
| 10:31.23 | frederik | liable: I tried just setting the 'Modem = ' line in /etc/wvdial.conf but that didn't work |
| 10:31.37 | liable | frederik: well, I get, cant get serial info or some such |
| 10:31.50 | frederik | liable: same here |
| 10:31.50 | liable | frederik: so it fails completely? |
| 10:32.02 | frederik | liable: indeed it does |
| 10:32.29 | liable | frederik: what version, you updated lately, then it started? |
| 10:32.41 | liable | *upgaraded |
| 10:32.46 | liable | hah |
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| 10:32.52 | liable | *upgraded |
| 10:33.27 | frederik | liable: 1.54 - not upgraded, debian 3.1 testing dvd image about 3 weeks old |
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| 10:34.21 | liable | frederik: do a dist upgrade, can you, without wvdial, there was bugs for it a while ago |
| 10:34.30 | rick_ | sorry all, it was .xsession-errors that gave the error |
| 10:34.43 | liable | frederik: or try 1.53 |
| 10:34.56 | rick_ | would renaming one of the other sessions to the one its looking for work? |
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| 10:35.23 | p33k4y | !help |
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| 10:37.32 | Opelfahrer | deutsche hier ??? |
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| 10:37.46 | tarzeau | !de |
| 10:37.46 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 10:38.04 | ethics | ok if i have a debian install and i want to add a new driver windows xp to dualboot off how do i go about doing that? |
| 10:38.24 | tarzeau | ethics: GRUB? |
| 10:39.01 | liable | ethics: rephrase that if you can, confused me |
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| 10:39.38 | ethics | liable, im on debian atm...i have a new hdd to add to this system so i can dual boot to win xp on a different drive....i need to install winxp on it |
| 10:40.05 | ethics | liable, should i remove the debian drive instal xp then reinstall the deb drive and get grub to add xp? |
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| 10:40.16 | liable | ethics: oh, cant you boot it from bios? |
| 10:40.34 | ethics | liable i want to install it....xp will trash my bootloader wont it |
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| 10:41.29 | directhex|work | xp will allways trash bootloaders without asking |
| 10:41.35 | p33k4y | !ibm |
| 10:41.35 | dpkg | ibm is probably International Business Machines - a very spiffy company - who happens to make AIX, OS/400, OS/2, and other cool operating systems, not to mention some of the most superior hardware on the market.. I Blame Microsoft. I Buy Macintosh |
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| 10:41.43 | p33k4y | !ibm-r40 |
| 10:42.01 | liable | ethics: start again, i'm still confused. you have a working debian drive, and you want to install xp on it? |
| 10:42.08 | p33k4y | !kick liable |
| 10:42.14 | p33k4y | :p |
| 10:42.22 | liable | !bite p33k4y |
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| 10:42.45 | f00bar | is there a way to list the dependancies and/or reverse dependancies of a package at the command-line |
| 10:42.49 | ethics | i have a current debian system ....i have a new drive i will install xp on and add to this system to allow dualboot into xp.... |
| 10:42.57 | tarzeau | f00bar: yes |
| 10:43.16 | ethics | 2 drives 2 OS.....xp being installed 2nd |
| 10:43.17 | tarzeau | ethics: nice, what's the question? |
| 10:43.18 | belracu | if Uplink bandwidth is not enough what to use q-trunk, static trunk, spanning tree |
| 10:43.19 | liable | ethics: ok, just install it, and boot to it from bios |
| 10:43.24 | f00bar | tarzeau: how? |
| 10:43.32 | tarzeau | f00bar: apt-cache depends|rdepends |
| 10:43.36 | f00bar | thanks |
| 10:43.40 | liable | ethics: wont touch grub, as its on the other hdd |
| 10:43.41 | p33k4y | by the way does anyone here have a IBM R40 laptop ? |
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| 10:43.47 | ethics | i know linux will find xp and install ok...but xp will kill grub wont it? |
| 10:43.50 | asg | p33k4y: used to why? |
| 10:43.52 | tarzeau | p33k4y: no |
| 10:43.53 | liable | p33k4y: yup |
| 10:44.07 | tarzeau | !nickometer p33k4y |
| 10:44.08 | p33k4y | i wanted to know if X was going to work because if it doesnt i'll be stuck in the console, without internet |
| 10:44.08 | dpkg | 'p33k4y' is 99.480% lame, tarzeau |
| 10:44.17 | ethics | even if its the boot drive? |
| 10:44.20 | p33k4y | !fuck tarzeau |
| 10:44.33 | tarzeau | p33k4y: idiot |
| 10:44.46 | kjparker | what the? |
| 10:44.49 | p33k4y | tarzeau what's so idiot about me ? |
| 10:44.59 | tarzeau | p33k4y: your question and your nickname |
| 10:45.02 | ethics | ill give it a bash..worst case i fix whateve i do hehe |
| 10:45.22 | tarzeau | and your fucking! http://p33k4y.isgay.com |
| 10:45.24 | nn | arrgh |
| 10:45.30 | p33k4y | tarzeau i'm not gonna comment about it. and btw, about my nick ... you just need time to know what it means |
| 10:46.51 | p33k4y | liable did it take time to get X to work or it worked automatically ? |
| 10:47.46 | liable | straight away |
| 10:47.46 | p33k4y | 'aight |
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| 10:47.46 | liable | mines 2 yr old now though |
| 10:47.46 | liable | ati blows, apparently |
| 10:47.52 | p33k4y | hehe |
| 10:48.00 | liable | even though mines been good |
| 10:48.08 | rick_ | ethics: you could make a bootfloppy so you can get back after into linux after xp has installed. There's no way to avoid investigating grub/lilo if you want a dual boot and don |
| 10:48.18 | rick_ | ...'t install xp firt |
| 10:48.19 | p33k4y | i have a radeon pro 9700 on my desktop it's great |
| 10:48.47 | liable | with linux? |
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| 10:49.07 | p33k4y | liable no :p i was gonna mention it but i changed my mind lol |
| 10:49.15 | liable | hah |
| 10:49.16 | directhex|work | no r300 or higher is good under linux |
| 10:49.18 | p33k4y | my desktop is my gaming baby :p |
| 10:49.19 | whm | i have 9600! |
| 10:49.38 | whm | work well on debian |
| 10:49.39 | liable | directhex|work: my 7500 works ok |
| 10:49.57 | Gathond | my pro9600 runs quite ok with the ATI driver |
| 10:50.00 | liable | without any fucking around |
| 10:50.01 | whm | glxgears's fps is about 2000 |
| 10:50.05 | p33k4y | the laptop one is a mobility radeon 7500 |
| 10:50.09 | Gathond | that is the fglrx thingy |
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| 10:50.53 | liable | p33k4y: should work, although I dont game, but I do get 3d accel |
| 10:51.09 | p33k4y | liable where did you get the drivers from ? |
| 10:51.17 | liable | in the kernel |
| 10:51.30 | rick_ | Anyone know what to do about a missing metacity session file that is stopping my gnome session from loading please? |
| 10:51.33 | directhex|work | liable, when did a 7500 magically go from r100 to r300? |
| 10:51.43 | whm | 9700's driver is not in kernel |
| 10:51.46 | p33k4y | the kernel drivers give you 3d acceleration ? :S |
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| 10:52.06 | whm | http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#bin try this,p33k4y |
| 10:52.06 | Gathond | p33k4y: the kernel AGPgart and the Xfree radeon driver does |
| 10:52.10 | directhex|work | you _only_ get acceleration with r100 ro r200 cards, via Free, with radeons. that's up to & including the radeon 9200 |
| 10:52.10 | liable | directhex|work: dunno, maybe mistaken identity or model or whatever, sorry :) |
| 10:52.18 | Gathond | p33k4y: at least on cards below R300 |
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| 10:52.39 | liable | directhex|work: I donr game, and just made an assumption, |
| 10:52.40 | p33k4y | R300 ? |
| 10:53.08 | liable | *dont |
| 10:53.11 | Gathond | p33k4y: the name of the radeon series chips are Rxxx, the 7K series is R100 iirc and 9000+ is R3xx |
| 10:53.27 | p33k4y | ah |
| 10:53.30 | Gathond | p33k4y: or something like that anyway:) |
| 10:53.43 | debaddict | rick check the file owner |
| 10:53.49 | p33k4y | hehe |
| 10:53.52 | Gathond | p33k4y: the highest card supported by XFree86's radeon driver is 9250 afaik |
| 10:54.12 | p33k4y | ok |
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| 10:54.29 | p33k4y | liable so do i, (on my linux machine) |
| 10:54.46 | Gathond | p33k4y: cards above that needs either the newer free radeon thingy (according to their website you might damage your hardware) or the ATI propertairy fglrx driver |
| 10:54.52 | kjparker | no real 3d for me |
| 10:54.55 | kjparker | :) |
| 10:55.21 | p33k4y | allright |
| 10:55.38 | Gathond | liable: yet you still bought a fast 3d card, and not just some old matrox 2d thing:) |
| 10:55.43 | p33k4y | i wouldnt risk it with the free stuff :p |
| 10:55.54 | liable | p33k4y: but getting back to your question, yes it should work |
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| 10:56.11 | liable | Gathond: came with the lappie |
| 10:56.20 | kjparker | oi! i resemble that remark! |
| 10:56.31 | Gathond | p33k4y: only testing i did with the flgrx driver however was glxgears and nwn, so I cant really way much about the performance compared to windows/similar nvidia cards |
| 10:56.39 | liable | Gathond: I didnt even know how to use windows when I got it, first computer |
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| 10:57.02 | rick_ | No takers for my (relatively simple) question then? I can hang around for an hour or so answering noob's q's if that would get me anywhere ;) |
| 10:57.19 | directhex|work | Gathond, 9500+ is r300. 9200- is r200 |
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| 10:57.37 | p33k4y | i've been using windows for a year now , time to get back to linux |
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| 10:57.57 | p33k4y | i never had time before now its different :) |
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| 10:58.36 | Quag7 | rick_, whats it complaining about specifically? |
| 10:58.37 | Gathond | directhex|work: ok, what about 8xxx then? |
| 10:58.58 | Quag7 | rick_, Could it be that your .metacity/sessions dir has the wrong permissions? |
| 10:59.15 | p33k4y | oki download's over see ya in a while |
| 10:59.22 | p33k4y | thanx for the help everybody |
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| 11:00.14 | neoXite | what would be the best method, to get the name of the interface a certain IP address is assigned to? (in a script) |
| 11:00.49 | neoXite | i tried using grep, but that just returns whole lines (including the interface i want), but i want _just_ the interface name |
| 11:01.18 | directhex|work | Gathond, 7xxx = r100, 8xxx->9200 = r200 |
| 11:01.18 | TinoW | neoXite: ifconfig, grep, sed, awk |
| 11:01.28 | Gathond | directhex|work: ok |
| 11:01.44 | neoXite | thx, i'll try that |
| 11:01.49 | liable | whats r300 then |
| 11:02.13 | Agrajag- | neoXite: ifconfig | grep <ipaddress> -B1 | head -1 | cut -f1 -d' ' |
| 11:02.15 | liable | new i spose :) |
| 11:02.16 | nn | i<3asterisk |
| 11:02.31 | nn | is there a way to remove left over files from previously removed pkg's? |
| 11:02.44 | nn | i need to strip out all non-dev software off this machine |
| 11:02.56 | nn | X, etc |
| 11:03.28 | nn | hmm better yet i can just do a clean setup under a chroot and use some tar to move it to the root |
| 11:03.32 | directhex|work | liable, r300 is 9500->9800xt |
| 11:03.51 | directhex|work | liable, r400 is Xxxx, e.g. X800 |
| 11:04.02 | SiliconViper | So, what's the nix competitor to MS Exchange? |
| 11:04.18 | SiliconViper | Someone asked, and I can't think of anything off the top of my head. |
| 11:04.42 | kjparker | lotus domino? |
| 11:04.44 | kjparker | :) |
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| 11:05.06 | kjparker | it's not open source, but it runs on the linux platform./... |
| 11:05.12 | neoXite | thanks for the advice Agrajag |
| 11:05.17 | SiliconViper | Hmm.... halfway there, then. |
| 11:05.45 | kjparker | alternatively, look at opengroupware |
| 11:05.57 | kjparker | i believe there is a sourceforge project |
| 11:06.09 | j_k | why would anyone run anything else than mutt, anyway... |
| 11:06.27 | kjparker | mutt=mail right? |
| 11:06.35 | kjparker | what about collaboration? |
| 11:06.52 | directhex|work | you can get shot for collaborating |
| 11:07.04 | kjparker | only in the USA |
| 11:07.06 | kjparker | ;) |
| 11:07.07 | liable | directhex|work: right thanks, graphics tard here :) |
| 11:07.27 | Gathond | kjparker: pretty sure it goes other places in the world too, at least in wartime |
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| 11:08.14 | directhex|work | liable, either way, the most recent discrete graphics adapter with fully open source 3d support is the radeon 9200, which is an obsolete chip on an obsolete bus, which is neither fast nor functional |
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| 11:09.22 | kjparker | SiliconViper, : http://www.opengroupware.org/ |
| 11:09.30 | SiliconViper | Thanks! |
| 11:09.34 | liable | directhex|work: yep, heard many people winge about ati, but, from my experience, never been a prob, but like I say, my lappie is getting old, and I dont game. |
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| 11:09.46 | fatal_ | I wouldn't call it obsolete... I bet the Radeon 9200SE are big sellers... Atleast I buy alot of them (and put in office machines). |
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| 11:10.47 | rick_ | Quag7: The session file it is looking for is not in the directory. .xsession-errors says open file failed, read file failed, file not found. |
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| 11:11.05 | directhex|work | office machines will be using onboard intel 900 graphics. |
| 11:11.08 | liable | fuck I wish I could spell and type at the same time :( |
| 11:11.26 | McKillroy-TPF | How can I use an equivalent of "for var in wordlist; do mystuff $var; done" in Makefiles ? |
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| 11:12.12 | McKillroy-TPF | I tried using $@ in the commands but it does only one execution |
| 11:12.23 | rick_ | Quag7: Permissions are ok. The directory has group S permissions. I presum that's a sticky bit? |
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| 11:12.33 | j_k | McKillroy-TPF: just use backslashed before line breaks and $$ instead of $ |
| 11:12.39 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 11:12.49 | Eclipser | I wonder what has made my fonts smaller... |
| 11:12.51 | McKillroy-TPF | j_k : thanks ! |
| 11:12.55 | j_k | McKillroy-TPF: makefile commands are interpreted by the shell. |
| 11:13.13 | j_k | McKillroy-TPF: you just need to escape a few things. |
| 11:13.24 | directhex|work | i must say, actually, that intel 900 onboard is GREAT for linuxing. assuming you use a modern x server, anyway |
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| 11:13.49 | xerxes1358 | Anyone here using BLAM rss aggregator ?? |
| 11:14.09 | kjparker | ok, if I am connected to a remote host via ssh, and have a process running, if the shell session gets disconnectged the process (an apt-get) will die |
| 11:14.12 | kjparker | right? |
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| 11:14.45 | rick_ | kjparker: yes, unless you type & after the command to detach it from the shell |
| 11:15.02 | asg | kjparker: better to run such things via screen(1) |
| 11:15.02 | DrZoot | hey anyone had any luck with lineak and a logitech mx3100 |
| 11:15.12 | whm | anyone succeed in driving km400's IGP |
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| 11:15.32 | asg | anyone have a good solution for itchy balls? |
| 11:15.33 | directhex|work | whm, which versio of debian? |
| 11:15.52 | whm | sid and on xorg 6.8.2 |
| 11:16.08 | tombs | Is it true that, if I run John the ripper, I'll leave some open doors on the system? |
| 11:16.22 | McKillroy-TPF | j_k: that helped ! it works now - thanks |
| 11:16.38 | j_k | asg: have a shower? |
| 11:16.43 | bbrazil | tombs: as in? |
| 11:16.44 | Eclipser | anyone got ideas on how to make my xfce/gtk/kde fonts larger? |
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| 11:17.11 | directhex|work | change the settings in kcontrol/gnome-control-center/xfce4-settings? |
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| 11:17.19 | jethro | kjparker: that's why you want to use screen |
| 11:17.33 | asg | Eclipser: change dpi from 75 to 100, use switch2 in gtk-theme-switch |
| 11:17.48 | tombs | bbrazil, I don't know, someone told me that |
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| 11:18.13 | whm | directhex|work,have some idea??? |
| 11:18.26 | Eclipser | asg, it seems my XF64Config-4 has both 75 and 100 dpi fonts, should I comment the 75 ones out? |
| 11:19.02 | bbrazil | tombs: as long as you hide the files it creates that contain the passwords it should be okay (umask 077 before running) and actually change the users bad passwords to something better. Not anything else I'm aware of |
| 11:19.06 | directhex|work | whm, no, though i suspect if you've been installing random x servers, you've broken things |
| 11:19.14 | asg | Eclipser: or start X with -dpi 100 (check /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
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| 11:19.38 | Eclipser | it has -dpi 100 :o |
| 11:19.56 | asg | Eclipser: then try fooling with switch2 |
| 11:20.26 | bbrazil | tombs: another way would be to run john as a once off and use cracklib from there on |
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| 11:20.42 | bbrazil | tombs: not sure if it has some equivilent of single crack mode though |
| 11:20.44 | Eclipser | it's kidn of funny, my fonts were just fine yesterday before I shutdown my computer :< |
| 11:21.03 | siggi | kjparker: use nohup |
| 11:21.20 | rick_ | Quag7: Any ideas please? I don't want to have to remove /.gnome like I had to when i tried to put a gnome-panel with a workspace switch on the right of the screen. |
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| 11:22.08 | quaZe | hi, need help with debian stable. just installed on my notebook, defined the networkrules. but i have to set it up manuel after each boot because pcmcia starts too late during the boot preoecure. |
| 11:22.42 | asg | quaZe: then change the init script to start earlier |
| 11:22.55 | directhex|work | quaZe, move things around in /etc/rcX.d/ |
| 11:23.42 | Eclipser | asg, switch2 did the trick with Sans 12 as font... is there a similar application for KDE apps? |
| 11:23.46 | quaZe | directhex|work: thx |
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| 11:23.58 | Quag7 | rick_, what are permissions on your ~/.metacity dir? |
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| 11:24.04 | asg | Eclipser: I don't know, #debian-kde might though. |
| 11:24.16 | Quag7 | and also your ~/.metacity/sessions dir |
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| 11:24.41 | Quag7 | The session files, it looks like, are created in that latter dir |
| 11:24.58 | Quag7 | Make sure, for example, you have those dirs. |
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| 11:25.32 | debaddict | i solve the same prob changing the ower of the file seesion,.... |
| 11:25.56 | rick_ | Quag7: drwx--S--- |
| 11:26.08 | Jon | my mozilla-firefox in testing keeps crashing. I'd like to isolate the crash or at least find out more infos beefore filing a bug, I see plenty of 'unreproducible, help, moreinfo' style crash reports in the BTS. Can anyone recommend a guide on rebuilding with -g and getting a coredump or whatever's best practice for such things? |
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| 11:26.43 | Quag7 | OK and sessions? |
| 11:26.51 | Quag7 | which is under there ~/.metacity/sessions |
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| 11:28.14 | rick_ | Quag7: -rw-r--r-- The sessions directory has the same perms as the .metacity dir. All owners and groups are my username. |
| 11:28.44 | Quag7 | There's no execute on that |
| 11:28.51 | Quag7 | Try making it executable, that dir, so that it can be entered |
| 11:28.57 | Quag7 | chmod u+x ~/.metacity/sessions |
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| 11:29.09 | rick_ | Quag7: ty, will try that |
| 11:29.15 | Quag7 | Otherwise no one can enter that directory; which may be the problem |
| 11:30.40 | rick_ | Quag7: -rw-r--r-- is the permissions on the .ms files. The sessions directory has the same perms as the .metacity dir, namely drwx--S--- |
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| 11:31.08 | Quag7 | Oh OK; that's what I have in there. |
| 11:31.11 | rick_ | Quag7: The particular .ms file .xsession-errors complains about is not there |
| 11:31.21 | Quag7 | Oh OK |
| 11:31.22 | Quag7 | hm |
| 11:31.23 | asg | !tell _linuxAS_ about away |
| 11:31.26 | Quag7 | let me check something |
| 11:31.39 | rick_ | Quag7: Thank you. |
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| 11:32.12 | bdlug66 | wanna use Xorg in debian sarge how to |
| 11:32.12 | bdlug66 | :) |
| 11:32.27 | Quag7 | rick_, how are you starting X? via startx or something like xdm? |
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| 11:32.49 | asg | bdlug66: /msg dpkg x.org (good luck) |
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| 11:33.54 | kris_weah | ?? |
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| 11:34.04 | rick_ | Quag7: via gdm. At the moment i'm logged into the affected machine via ssh and xdmcp using a clean account |
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| 11:36.19 | rick_ | Quag7: I use startx /enemy-territroy -- :1 from time to time, and VMware uses a VT |
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| 11:36.20 | rick_ | Quag7: Also, had a powercut yesterday. It came straight back up, fsck was happy enough. |
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| 11:36.33 | Quag7 | rick_, still looking here...I bet this is a simple fix. |
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| 11:37.04 | rick_ | Quag7: I hope so. If there is somewhere I could dig for more info, let me know |
| 11:37.29 | belracu | Say, there is one router with 2 interfaces, called intf1 and intf2, and has assigned the ip addresses. If PCs on intf1 want to access to PCs on intf2 what is the protocol should be supported: (1)RIP (2)Static routes (3)DVMRP (4)No needed. |
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| 11:39.52 | Quag7 | rick_, I'm just googling at this point; I don't have a specific answer unfortunately :( |
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| 11:42.16 | flame | what kernel does debian-30r5-i386-binary-1.iso have ? |
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| 11:42.25 | ricky_clarkson | I have a virtual implementation of a network ( www.netsim.info if you're interested ), and I'm just trying to fix the traceroute implementation.. |
| 11:42.27 | directhex|work | flame, 2.2.20 |
| 11:42.34 | directhex|work | flame, 2.4.18 optional |
| 11:42.37 | scytheman | and 2.4.18 |
| 11:42.42 | flame | directhex|work OMG !!! what debian comes with 2.6 ? |
| 11:42.54 | petemc | omglolwtfbbq! |
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| 11:43.08 | scytheman | flame, sarge/sid |
| 11:43.15 | directhex|work | flame, sarge uses 2.4.27, 2.6.8 optional |
| 11:43.19 | ricky_clarkson | When a computer that has two Ethernet cards gets a traceroute packet on the wrong card, i.e., it comes from the opposite network to the destination IP, would something like Linux actually give the other card the packet to deal with? |
| 11:43.55 | flame | oh, and does it ask you during install or you must install it manually in sarge? |
| 11:44.00 | Quag7 | rick_, not very inspiring: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=30&threadid=318659 |
| 11:44.12 | liable | flame: boot option 'linux26' |
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| 11:44.19 | directhex|work | flame, boot the installer with the "linux26" boot option instead of "linux" |
| 11:44.52 | flame | oh, well i installed debian last night, and i just hit enter at boot option, and the kernel did not have any module for my network card |
| 11:45.02 | flame | debian 3.0 |
| 11:45.09 | liable | flame: net install or cd 1 |
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| 11:45.21 | liable | ooh, woody |
| 11:45.26 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support |
| 11:45.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
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| 11:46.03 | liable | flame: so, no internet? |
| 11:46.07 | Quag7 | rick_, try this: touch ~/.metacity/sessions/themissingfilename.ms |
| 11:46.11 | flame | omg !!! woody is from 2002 ??????? |
| 11:46.15 | directhex|work | yes. |
| 11:46.16 | flame | i thought it's new |
| 11:46.18 | Quag7 | If you create an empty session file maybe it will boot. |
| 11:46.25 | liable | flame: install sarge |
| 11:46.32 | rick_ | Quag7: Hmm, good thinking, batman! |
| 11:46.34 | directhex|work | !d-i flame |
| 11:46.34 | dpkg | flame, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:46.50 | flame | what's the newest sarge .iso ? |
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| 11:47.12 | directhex|work | flame, rc3. |
| 11:47.15 | liable | the debian page for woody is misleading, it says something about a release or some shit this year |
| 11:47.31 | directhex|work | liable, agreed |
| 11:47.51 | directhex|work | liable, r5 was this year, woody wasn't |
| 11:47.56 | aum | hi - python2.3-mysqldb on sarge is broken - 'import MySQLdb' gives '/usr/lib/libmysqlclient_r.so.12: undefined symbol: ERR_get_error_line_data' - any ideas? |
| 11:48.08 | directhex|work | aum, reportbug |
| 11:48.11 | slackd00d | how do i keep debian from turing off my scrren after being idle? i want it to always stay on |
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| 11:48.16 | liable | directhex|work: yep, but it should be worded better imho |
| 11:48.26 | directhex|work | liable, agreed. |
| 11:49.06 | liable | directhex|work: I read it, and it surprised me, for a newb installing, no wonder they fall into the trap |
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| 11:50.19 | directhex|work | liable, agreed. |
| 11:51.05 | sypher | hey guys, i have a "strange" problem. Whenever i start X, i cant switch back to the normal consoles. When i press alt+control+F(1-6) i just get a blank screen. Someone can give me a hint on how to resolve? |
| 11:51.20 | asg | sypher: do you use a framebuffer console? |
| 11:51.25 | sypher | hum ... |
| 11:51.27 | sypher | think so |
| 11:51.28 | sypher | ^_^ |
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| 11:51.40 | DrZoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:51.52 | ricky_clarkson | That's a glitch in the matrix. |
| 11:52.03 | flame | umm, i'm confused |
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| 11:52.12 | flame | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso <- what is this ? |
| 11:52.22 | asg | sypher: try booting without it (remove vga=xxx from your kernel boot line in lilo or grub.) |
| 11:52.23 | Mage\wor1 | flame: an iso image. |
| 11:52.25 | sciboy | Okey, can't stand the fact that i got something like 40 windows games that wont run under wine/cedega, so i'm resorting to dual booting. |
| 11:52.29 | directhex|work | flame, sarge cd1/15 iso image |
| 11:52.34 | liable | flame: do you have broadband |
| 11:52.36 | sypher | asg ok thanks |
| 11:52.44 | gnubie | how much? |
| 11:52.47 | ricky_clarkson | sciboy: If you need Windows, use Windows. |
| 11:52.51 | flame | i have 30kbytes/s and i download an .iso over night |
| 11:53.04 | rick_ | Quag7: A thousand thank yous and may an eternity of prosperity for you and your family be yours! |
| 11:53.09 | sciboy | I was wondering what i need to do to get windows to install on the new partition i create for it, is there anything special i need to do? eg. set it bootable... |
| 11:53.26 | Quag7 | It worked? |
| 11:53.29 | liable | flame: ok, maybe get the sarge iso1, and then update from there |
| 11:53.29 | flame | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/sarge-i386-1.iso <- so this is sarge too ? |
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| 11:53.33 | ricky_clarkson | Windows is/was fussy about which partition it goes on. |
| 11:53.38 | directhex|work | flame, yes. |
| 11:53.39 | ricky_clarkson | sciboy: There's a dual booting howto. |
| 11:53.51 | flame | liable i'll do that but before i have to remove the confusion about the various .iso files |
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| 11:53.57 | directhex|work | windows nt 5 has a big in its partitioner, so will refuse often to install to linux-made partitions |
| 11:54.09 | directhex|work | generally, delete & recreate the target partiton in the nt installer |
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| 11:54.16 | flame | so the difference between sarge-i386-1.iso and debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso is ?? |
| 11:54.20 | liable | flame: iso1 will get you a base install and almost everything you need |
| 11:54.26 | directhex|work | the build date |
| 11:54.30 | rick_ | Quag7: Yep, It took about ten seconds to time out, but before your magic touch I had laeft it for ages and got nowhere. |
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| 11:55.00 | flame | liable i'll only download the first cd, i don't need them all |
| 11:55.00 | rick_ | Once it timed out there was my last session |
| 11:55.00 | liable | flame: no |
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| 11:55.01 | directhex|work | i'd love a cupcake right now |
| 11:55.01 | flame | directhex|work which is newer/which should i get ? |
| 11:55.16 | liable | flame: what kind of network connection do you have? |
| 11:55.23 | sciboy | Okey, now i'm going to try and resize my partition and hope it doesn't get completely messed up. |
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| 11:55.27 | asg | directhex|work: with chocolate icing? |
| 11:55.38 | directhex|work | flame, which is newer? it says ln your sodding screen which is newer. do you not know the difference between 17th may and 27th april? |
| 11:55.39 | Quag7 | ah good rick, glad things have improved. |
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| 11:55.43 | flame | liable it's not relevant, i can download a few iso's (30k/s) |
| 11:56.19 | liable | flame: ok, so you dont need modem drivers? |
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| 11:56.38 | flame | liable no, i have cable |
| 11:56.41 | Quag7 | rick_, if you go to Desktop-->Preferences-->Sessions (this is in Gnome 2.10; if this is an older Gnome, just find the sessions dialog), you might have a look at what's going on in there, to get an idea of why there's any delay. |
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| 11:58.17 | liable | flame: ok, get the latest iso1, you can install a desktop, (if you want) then go from there. or you can use the netinstall and let it download overnight, personally, iso1 is always nice to have with a slow connection :) |
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| 11:59.23 | flame | liable sure i want the iso because i might be trying to build a server for a friend with debian, but first i have to sort it out |
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| 11:59.32 | tarzeau | why can't lame not work on .au files :( |
| 11:59.38 | minra | anybody using kvpnc with pppd? |
| 11:59.46 | petemc | tarzeau: thats a double negative ;) |
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| 11:59.50 | minra | tarzeau, use sox to convert .au to something else |
| 11:59.53 | tarzeau | petemc: true |
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| 12:00.02 | tarzeau | minra: what's the command if i want to do this all over stdin/stdout ? |
| 12:00.09 | directhex|work | mmm, tripple lossy transcoding |
| 12:00.10 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 12:00.24 | Penix | tarzeau: .au files are so...you... |
| 12:00.28 | tarzeau | Penix: at least libao can do them on the fly |
| 12:00.31 | tarzeau | Penix: wav files not |
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| 12:00.42 | liable | flame: iso1, just about has all you need, and now sarge is almost ready, wont change much :) |
| 12:00.43 | Eclipser | does iptables state "RELATED,ESTABLISHED" in input match for router/dns? |
| 12:00.47 | flame | debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso 17-May-2005 23:31 629M <- is this the absolutely latest sarge .iso available for download / |
| 12:00.49 | minra | just to a batch convert on all your .au files to something better supported |
| 12:01.08 | tarzeau | !d-i |
| 12:01.10 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 12:01.11 | mirak | hello girls |
| 12:01.16 | liable | wtf are .au files? |
| 12:01.17 | tarzeau | minra: i don't want to write to disk |
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| 12:01.26 | directhex|work | flame, basically. |
| 12:01.33 | tarzeau | liable: audio |
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| 12:01.43 | asg | liable: foster's recipies |
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| 12:01.45 | liable | of what sort? |
| 12:01.50 | Penix | an optical mouse is so much nicer than a ball one. can't believe I lived without a laser for so many years |
| 12:01.53 | liable | asg: hahaha :) |
| 12:01.54 | asg | s/pie/pe/ |
| 12:01.58 | directhex|work | tarzeau, someone forgot to compile lame with --enable-funny-obscure-file-formats |
| 12:01.59 | flame | i hope they'll make a 2 dvd release of the full final sarge |
| 12:02.07 | minra | tarzeau, duno - man sox |
| 12:02.10 | streuner_ | !.au |
| 12:02.10 | dpkg | i guess .au is australia, or the Sun Audio format iirc |
| 12:02.12 | directhex|work | flame, undoubtedly |
| 12:02.18 | cadu | hello, there's a second connection to my xdm and log in again on X using a graphical window....like a "vncviewer" but for the x server ??? |
| 12:02.32 | cadu | s/'s a/'s a way to do/ |
| 12:02.32 | directhex|work | Sun Audio? no wonder it sucks |
| 12:02.41 | tarzeau | directhex|work: can't find .au in lame ./configure |
| 12:02.46 | directhex|work | cadu, with xdm, not sure. with gdm, trivially |
| 12:02.58 | cadu | directhex|work: what client can i use? |
| 12:03.06 | tarzeau | directhex|work: it doesn't suck |
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| 12:03.45 | cadu | i just want to test a remote X terminal but i don't want to plug in/power on/setup a second machine now for nothing |
| 12:03.58 | cadu | there isn't a 'X Client' that runs inside X ? |
| 12:04.18 | jm_ | cadu: Xnest |
| 12:04.23 | directhex|work | cadu, "gdmchooser" would do the job, assuming you mean xdmcp not vnc |
| 12:04.30 | liable | asg: fosters recipe= feed horse beer > catch horse piss > bottle it > sell it to foreigners :) |
| 12:04.38 | hellfire | cadu: export your display to me! :-) |
| 12:04.52 | directhex|work | or there's always gdmflexiserver, to start a new gdm session on the next available VT |
| 12:04.56 | Michal | i need help about pcmcia card. debian doesnt see it. what can it be? |
| 12:05.10 | directhex|work | Michal, which version of debian, what harwdare? |
| 12:05.21 | liable | Michal: woody or sarge? |
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| 12:06.38 | ligi | hi - is there a proc info or ifconfig option to get the network link status ( cable wired or not ) |
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| 12:07.08 | Michal | newest version, pcmcia rtl8139 |
| 12:07.11 | jm_ | ligi: mii-diag or ethtool |
| 12:07.15 | minra | anybody got pptp vpn working? |
| 12:07.31 | Michal | i dont know if that w or s... |
| 12:07.34 | liable | !anybody |
| 12:07.34 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 12:07.34 | directhex|work | !newest |
| 12:07.34 | dpkg | somebody said newest was For your Debian, say "3.0", "Sarge",similar. |
| 12:07.35 | cadu | jm_: how would i use Xnest ? |
| 12:07.38 | asg | liable: that sounds about right |
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| 12:07.41 | directhex|work | bah |
| 12:07.43 | directhex|work | !latest |
| 12:07.45 | dpkg | well, newest is For your Debian, say "3.0", "Sarge",similar. |
| 12:07.50 | cadu | i'm actually using wdm |
| 12:07.58 | jm_ | cadu: the same way you use X server to make XDMCP connection |
| 12:08.04 | directhex|work | cadu, when did xdm become wdm? |
| 12:08.14 | liable | asg: :) |
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| 12:08.35 | cadu | i just made eheheheh |
| 12:08.42 | cadu | jm_: nice.. :( |
| 12:08.59 | liable | cadu: time to change pants? |
| 12:09.16 | cadu | liable: nah, time to get some help |
| 12:09.27 | cadu | liable: people here are very talkative :) |
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| 12:09.37 | max__ | is there an easy way to d/l a web based book like Debian Reference? (I don't mean it, I mean another book in that form) |
| 12:09.42 | liable | cadu: yes :) |
| 12:10.26 | max__ | I can't find any package of it, it's O'Reilly's "Practical Unix&Internet Security" |
| 12:10.44 | directhex|work | !tell Michal about msg |
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| 12:10.57 | doub | max__: isn't that a sold book? |
| 12:11.00 | max__ | is there a program that just d/ls the pages and puts in a folder? |
| 12:11.03 | max__ | doub: dunno |
| 12:11.08 | max__ | doub: I just saw it |
| 12:11.11 | liable | ligi: doesnt ifconfig tell you what you want? |
| 12:11.16 | jm_ | max__: ever heard of wget? |
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| 12:11.45 | max__ | jm_: yes, I used it but don't know exactly what to do in this situation |
| 12:12.03 | jm_ | max__: wget has mirror option and other useful options for recursive retrieval |
| 12:12.12 | Michal | how to make debian to see my rtl8139? |
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| 12:12.45 | petemc | Michal: what kernel? |
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| 12:12.54 | liable | Michal: depends if you have the drivers for it |
| 12:13.00 | ligi | liable, what does it tell if there is a link? |
| 12:13.27 | liable | a link to what? |
| 12:13.30 | max__ | jm_: ok, I'll be using wget -r but |
| 12:13.43 | max__ | jm_: it's a book in a folder there |
| 12:13.43 | directhex|work | Michal, either answer the questions people need to help you, or leave. |
| 12:13.47 | ligi | liable, link ~ a cable is plugged |
| 12:13.54 | Michal | 22.2 |
| 12:13.58 | directhex|work | Michal, as you were asked earlier, what version of debian? "latest" means nothing |
| 12:14.03 | max__ | jm_: should I limit recursion_ |
| 12:14.17 | jm_ | max__: that doesn't matter - I would limit it so it doesn't go to parrent dirs |
| 12:14.21 | chr1s | hey everyone |
| 12:14.35 | chr1s | I'm trying to install cups via aptitude |
| 12:14.42 | directhex|work | Michal, kernel 2.2.20? that would be debian woody, which is a useless pile & doesn't support hardware from this millenium |
| 12:14.52 | chr1s | but when I press "g" aptitude wants to remove a lot of packages |
| 12:15.13 | liable | ligi: can you add more info to your question, what exactly do you want to do? |
| 12:15.13 | chr1s | has anyone experienced something like that? |
| 12:15.22 | Michal | so i need to dowloand other ver? |
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| 12:15.40 | doub | chr1s: i think you didn't install the stuff it wants to remove through aptitude |
| 12:15.40 | directhex|work | !d-i Michal |
| 12:15.41 | dpkg | Michal, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:15.56 | chr1s | doub: true, I installed it with apt-get |
| 12:15.58 | doub | chr1s: so it doesn't have them in its "extended database" and wants to remove them |
| 12:16.15 | chr1s | doub: is there a way aptitude can update its database? |
| 12:16.32 | doub | chr1s: just issue a '+' in the first "remove" category line |
| 12:17.16 | doub | chr1s: it's the same as apt-get's except the extended, that can't be updated |
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| 12:17.58 | chr1s | doub: do you know of a way to install cups by using apt-get? |
| 12:18.11 | doub | chr1s: apt-get install cupsys maybe |
| 12:18.28 | chr1s | hm, ok |
| 12:18.35 | doub | chr1s: do 'apt-cache search cupsys' and see which package fit your needs |
| 12:19.00 | chr1s | ah, thanks |
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| 12:24.24 | tarzeau | haha /win 11 |
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| 12:25.45 | kain | hi there, there's a method to install a package through apt that is present on two different repositories? I need to install one + relative dependencies instead of an official one |
| 12:26.09 | tarzeau | same pkg name? |
| 12:26.14 | kain | same, it's amule |
| 12:26.17 | tarzeau | and version number? |
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| 12:26.21 | PerfDave | kain: Look into apt_preferences |
| 12:26.21 | kain | that on official unstable is 2.0.1-1 |
| 12:26.23 | tarzeau | i don't think you can with apt |
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| 12:26.35 | kain | PerfDave, ok |
| 12:26.37 | tarzeau | why not just dpkg -i it? |
| 12:27.02 | lestest | hi there what key to mark a pakage for purgeing in deselect? |
| 12:27.03 | kain | tarzeau, I've done that, but I was wondering if there are an alternative method |
| 12:27.17 | kain | since amule looks better if compiled against wxgtk 2.5 |
| 12:27.19 | kain | instead of 2.4 |
| 12:27.31 | tarzeau | kain: aha |
| 12:27.40 | kain | and so there are a couple of packages do dpkg -i |
| 12:27.43 | kain | to* |
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| 12:27.54 | tarzeau | lestest: on woody? |
| 12:27.58 | tarzeau | !dselect |
| 12:27.58 | dpkg | it has been said that dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 12:27.59 | lestest | tarzeau: sid |
| 12:28.14 | cdc | could some one give me your vimrc ? |
| 12:28.17 | directhex|work | kain, yes, you can do it. what does "apt-cache policy packagename" report? just the two lines with urls on please |
| 12:28.33 | kain | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.33 | kain | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.36 | kain | official repos |
| 12:28.38 | kain | instead of mine |
| 12:28.44 | lestest | tarzeau: in the help screen I got - but is the same for just deleting |
| 12:29.03 | kain | because my custom repos contains an inferior version, so apt thinks that he must use this |
| 12:29.03 | directhex|work | kain, if it's not being shown in apt-cache policy, it's not a repository for that package, so i can't help you. |
| 12:29.11 | kain | mmhh.. ok, thanks |
| 12:29.16 | tarzeau | lestest: dpkg -l pkg |
| 12:29.24 | Eclipser | what's the debian way of restoring iptables setup on boot? |
| 12:29.25 | kain | maybe it's the custom repos that has some problem |
| 12:29.26 | kain | :D |
| 12:29.42 | directhex|work | kain, if, for example, you want a set version, you can apt-get install foo=1.1.1.1.1, or foo/testing or whatever |
| 12:29.53 | kain | good tip, thanks |
| 12:29.55 | petemc | -t testing |
| 12:29.56 | petemc | as well |
| 12:30.01 | lestest | Eclipser: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables |
| 12:30.13 | directhex|work | kain, the version number part you can get from apt-cache policy (e.g. 2.0.1-1), the slash bit also (e.g. unstable) from the above paste |
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| 12:30.24 | lestest | tarzeau: I would love to use dselect |
| 12:30.25 | asg | Eclipser: the README in /usr/share/doc/iptables gives a number of options. |
| 12:30.26 | directhex|work | petemc, you can mix & match when you use = or /, but not -t |
| 12:30.42 | petemc | directhex|work: you sure about that? |
| 12:30.47 | directhex|work | petemc, i.e. apt-get install footesting bartesting boz/unstable |
| 12:30.55 | petemc | oh, that |
| 12:30.59 | petemc | right |
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| 12:32.17 | lestest | ! |
| 12:32.47 | directhex|work | ? |
| 12:33.42 | jetdotnet | $ |
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| 12:35.06 | erps | what version(s) of rsync support --timelimit and --stop-at ? I've found reference to these switches, but can't find a version of rsync that supports it (apt-get version of rsync definitely doesn't) |
| 12:35.12 | lestest | seems I got it |
| 12:35.46 | crashbg | how to startx on a remote pc and the desktop of the remote pc to appear at alt-f8 locally? (alt-f7 is my current kde session) |
| 12:36.09 | bbrazil | crashbg: DISPLAY=:1 |
| 12:36.23 | directhex|work | xdmcp. or a vnc thing a friend of mine once had but i can't remember for the life of me |
| 12:37.58 | flame | i need a large res debian logo |
| 12:38.05 | crashbg | what would be the whole command? startx -- ? |
| 12:38.39 | TinoW | flame: autotrace debianlogo.png ? ;) |
| 12:39.18 | doub | crashbg: start an X server, without dm or wm. connect to remote host through, say, ssh, and then start the wm/desktop |
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| 12:39.40 | doub | crashbg: you can also set up *dm to connect through XDMCP |
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| 12:41.04 | crashbg | strange; if i login locally i can type startx and my kde starts; but when i log in throug ssh as the same user and type startx i says the user has no permissons? |
| 12:41.45 | sciboy | Ok, in cfdisk, if i delete a partition, and create a new one, it doesn't TRY to erase the files it contains, does it? |
| 12:42.01 | jetdotnet | no sciboy |
| 12:42.24 | jetdotnet | in fact, you can delete a partition, recreate it, re-mkfs it, and the data will stil be there |
| 12:42.38 | jetdotnet | and i hate that |
| 12:42.39 | sciboy | re-mkfs? |
| 12:42.45 | greycat | jetdotnet: uh, no, if you mkfs it, it's not going to have files. |
| 12:42.52 | jetdotnet | can't tell |
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| 12:43.05 | greycat | the data MIGHT be recoverable by forensic analysis, but it's not going to show up in ls(1). |
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| 12:43.36 | jetdotnet | you might wanna test that |
| 12:43.48 | greycat | I might not. |
| 12:43.52 | jetdotnet | i believe that that is how it 'should' work |
| 12:44.01 | greycat | I have a strange fondness for my files, and I don't want them to go away. Call me eccentric. |
| 12:44.06 | jetdotnet | but it's not how it worked for me |
| 12:44.10 | jetdotnet | yeah i can see that |
| 12:44.10 | directhex|work | i can delete them for you |
| 12:44.17 | sciboy | I am planning on screwing my partitions badly anyway. |
| 12:44.18 | directhex|work | i have no attachment to your files, so it's not a problem |
| 12:44.31 | sciboy | I'll let you guys know what happens. |
| 12:44.36 | sciboy | Wish me luck. |
| 12:44.41 | greycat | !bless sciboy |
| 12:44.42 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child sciboy, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 12:44.51 | sciboy | =) |
| 12:45.17 | lestest | how do I enable ssl on sid with apache2 |
| 12:45.21 | lestest | ? |
| 12:45.35 | Guerin | lestest: apt-get libapache2-mod-ssl? |
| 12:45.38 | Guerin | just an idea |
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| 12:46.22 | lestest | libapache2-mod-ssl doesn't exist |
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| 12:46.25 | lestest | any clue? |
| 12:46.30 | caphuso | lestest: a2enmod ssl |
| 12:46.30 | jetdotnet | find it |
| 12:46.39 | lestest | caphuso: did it |
| 12:46.45 | caphuso | lestest: good |
| 12:46.55 | lestest | no ssl available |
| 12:47.14 | lestest | I think I need to create cets |
| 12:47.23 | lestest | csrts keys and ssl stuff |
| 12:47.23 | caphuso | lestest: did you restart apache? |
| 12:47.26 | lestest | yep |
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| 12:47.31 | caphuso | lestest: and what did it say? |
| 12:47.36 | lestest | noting |
| 12:48.05 | caphuso | lestest: then it didn't start at all |
| 12:48.18 | lestest | Forcing reload of web server: Apache2. |
| 12:48.20 | liable | Guerin: your a kiwi eh? do you have magpies there? |
| 12:48.21 | lestest | it did |
| 12:48.54 | lestest | caphuso: got apache listen to 80 port only |
| 12:48.56 | Guerin | !your |
| 12:48.56 | dpkg | your is probably the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 12:49.07 | liable | fucking teacher :) |
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| 12:49.16 | Guerin | liable: we have plenty of magpies. bloody australians brought them over. |
| 12:49.22 | liable | hah |
| 12:49.26 | caphuso | lestest: if it didn't log the startup, then it didn't start up. whatever you have listening is not what should be listening |
| 12:49.36 | Penix | magpies are cool |
| 12:49.45 | Ronin | Penix: rats with wings |
| 12:49.48 | lestest | caphuso: sorry? |
| 12:49.54 | Penix | that's pigeons |
| 12:49.56 | caphuso | lestest: you're excused |
| 12:50.04 | Penix | magpies are targets with wings |
| 12:50.04 | Ronin | almost as bad as pigeons i swear |
| 12:50.18 | lestest | invoke-rc.d apache2 stop Stopping web server: Apache2. |
| 12:50.32 | Penix | I'd rather have a magpie on my yard than a pigeon any day |
| 12:50.41 | lestest | invoke-rc.d apache2 start Starting web server: Apache2. |
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| 12:50.45 | lestest | no errors |
| 12:51.04 | caphuso | lestest: so do the obvious: check the log files |
| 12:51.20 | EdibleText | pidgeons dont steal steaks of the grill though... |
| 12:51.54 | lestest | no errors |
| 12:51.54 | liable | magpies are really annoying, especially when they are nesting |
| 12:52.06 | Penix | kookaburra's steal stuff on barbecues. they're way too nice to shoot though |
| 12:52.09 | Penix | s/on/off/ |
| 12:52.18 | lestest | caphuso: I got ssl.conf ssl.load in mudules-enabled dir |
| 12:52.59 | lestest | and i create the ca file with the script provided with deb |
| 12:52.59 | paulswm | we get a lot of cranes and herons here |
| 12:53.09 | lestest | should I put something in conf dir? |
| 12:53.33 | lestest | I mean conf.d |
| 12:53.40 | EdibleText | Penix, magpies in .au? |
| 12:53.46 | Penix | EdibleText: yes |
| 12:54.22 | caphuso | lestest: you still haven't found out what your frigging problem is... |
| 12:54.24 | Penix | I hate magpies and plovers when there's babies involved |
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| 12:54.32 | liable | the're nasty fuckers |
| 12:54.42 | lestest | caphuso: nope ... did you? |
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| 12:54.58 | caphuso | lestest: of course not |
| 12:55.05 | lestest | so waht do you suggest? |
| 12:55.09 | liable | *they're even |
| 12:55.26 | jetdotnet | !dict plover |
| 12:55.28 | dpkg | Dictionary 'plover' (1 of 28): . Prairie \Prai"rie\, n. [F., an extensive meadow, OF. praerie, LL. prataria, fr. L. pratum a meadow.] 1. An extensive tract of level or rolling land, destitute of trees, covered with coarse grass, and usually characterized by a deep, fertile soil. They abound throughout the Mississippi valley, between the Alleghanies and the Rocky mountains.. |
| 12:55.32 | lestest | [Thu May 19 15:03:59 2005] [notice] Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-15 mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7g configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 12:55.42 | liable | shit, why do I feel like #debian is my mother :( |
| 12:55.43 | caphuso | lestest: uh, ssl is enabled |
| 12:55.46 | lestest | this is the log file |
| 12:56.01 | Penix | 1. (Zool.) Any one of numerous species of limicoline birds belonging to the family {Charadrid[ae]} |
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| 12:56.06 | lestest | yep but It's not binded to port 443 |
| 12:56.06 | liable | Guerin: bullshit, you prolly stole them |
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| 12:56.32 | HansZ | Hello |
| 12:56.35 | jetdotnet | bound |
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| 12:56.51 | HansZ | How to load the CS4232 drivers? |
| 12:56.57 | HansZ | (soundcard) |
| 12:57.00 | liable | modprobe? |
| 12:57.14 | HansZ | modprobe CS4232 (in lowercase)? |
| 12:57.23 | jetdotnet | alsa is prefixed with snd- |
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| 12:57.33 | jetdotnet | your modulename may vary |
| 12:57.38 | HansZ | ok |
| 12:57.38 | lestest | caphuso: should it be? |
| 12:57.45 | jetdotnet | but alsa version will have snd- |
| 12:57.49 | HansZ | jetdotnet, is alsa recommended? |
| 12:57.49 | jarjar26 | I have install cupsys and cupsys-bsd ... if i do lpinfo -v, it tell that could not connect to server ??? |
| 12:58.02 | liable | HansZ: there is some funky switches with them though iirc, ggogle it |
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| 12:58.07 | jetdotnet | HansZ: it's the d-i default, everybody loves alsa |
| 12:58.09 | jetdotnet | cept me |
| 12:58.15 | caphuso | lestest: depends. do you want it to accept connection on port 443? |
| 12:58.16 | jetdotnet | and one other guy |
| 12:58.16 | HansZ | oh lol |
| 12:58.25 | lestest | caphuso: of course I want |
| 12:58.34 | lestest | I need the server under https |
| 12:58.34 | caphuso | lestest: then i conclude: yes, it should be |
| 12:58.39 | HansZ | I've got a pretty old laptop with that soundcard, would be nice if it would work |
| 12:58.45 | lestest | so how I can bind it? |
| 12:58.59 | lestest | do i need a lister rule? |
| 12:59.03 | lestest | listen* |
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| 12:59.14 | jetdotnet | HansZ: alsa probably will work, just a blind guess but probably |
| 12:59.14 | liable | HansZ: googlr that card, theres info on it |
| 12:59.20 | jetdotnet | oss will probably work too |
| 12:59.23 | HansZ | liable, I'll do |
| 12:59.24 | liable | fuck |
| 12:59.27 | jetdotnet | there ya go google |
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| 13:00.03 | HansZ | CS4232/4232A |
| 13:00.03 | HansZ | All soundcards based on CS4232/CS4232A chips. Just "modprobe snd-card-cs4232" will not work, no auto-probing. See below. |
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| 13:00.26 | liable | HansZ: yah, theres option you need to include |
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| 13:00.41 | minra | YESS! GOT PPTP VPN to work running!@!! |
| 13:00.44 | HansZ | liable, gladd there are guides for it |
| 13:00.48 | HansZ | minra, congrats |
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| 13:01.11 | minra | now i have to write a howto so other ppl won't go though this hell |
| 13:01.22 | liable | HansZ: yes, theres a couple of things to add to the modules conf |
| 13:01.33 | nevyn | minra: but it's all about openvpn |
| 13:01.50 | HansZ | liable, /etc/isapnp.conf doens't exist :/ |
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| 13:01.54 | MrKeuner | hi, is there a kernel-image-2.6.11-* which was already compiled with gcc-3.3.6? or is it likely to hit the repository soon? |
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| 13:02.17 | toran | hey guys, how do I stop update-menu from running after I install packages with apt-get? |
| 13:02.18 | liable | HansZ: its out there, I have read it myself |
| 13:02.30 | greycat | MrKeuner: you could just build it yourself, if it's that urgent. |
| 13:02.37 | HansZ | liable, hm |
| 13:02.57 | MrKeuner | greycat/ no I can wait if it is likeky to hit in a couple of days?? |
| 13:02.59 | liable | HansZ: dunno, exactly, but there is info on it |
| 13:03.10 | HansZ | liable, I think i have to reboot after installing Alsa |
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| 13:03.17 | Guerin | !lart me |
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| 13:03.46 | Guerin | my fucking nic issues of the past few days came from two machines on my three-machine network vying for the same fucking ip address |
| 13:03.49 | liable | HansZ: no modprobe -r oss modules |
| 13:03.52 | greycat | MrKeuner: there's no telling when things will be done, especially with all the conscientious developers working on sarge RC bugs |
| 13:04.03 | Guerin | but naturally, I only discovered this after replacing the nic... |
| 13:04.05 | MrKeuner | greycat/ I just cannot figure out whether it is a matter of time or matter of choice |
| 13:04.45 | greycat | Guerin: two out of three sounds like a pretty bad fuckup :) |
| 13:04.54 | HansZ | So if this all going to work, what are players that can functional on 120mhz processor? |
| 13:05.06 | HansZ | would beep-media-player do? |
| 13:05.10 | greycat | players of what? |
| 13:05.15 | HansZ | music :) |
| 13:05.24 | greycat | .wav files? no sweat. |
| 13:05.49 | HansZ | Nah, more streaming from Shoutcast servers and so |
| 13:05.49 | greycat | a 120 MHz Pentium can surely play back Ogg or MP3, too, at least at reasonable bitrates. |
| 13:05.56 | toran | how do I keep the menu from updating after I install packages? I'm tired of having my custom fluxbox menu overwritten =) |
| 13:05.59 | crashbg | ok, i did dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-common to allow all startx access so now i can login with openssh and type startx bu it does not appear at TTY8 |
| 13:06.01 | HansZ | greycat, that's awesome news :) |
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| 13:06.08 | Guerin | greycat: yeah. I just forgot which was .2 and which .3 - the one which was .3, I was logging in manually, since I haven't bothered getting it set up for home and work |
| 13:06.26 | doub | has dpkg or some other bot a way to know which hardware is supported by which kernel? |
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| 13:06.28 | greycat | Guerin: man 5 hosts ;-P |
| 13:06.32 | Guerin | HansZ: don't run X. use cplay on the console. |
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| 13:06.45 | HansZ | Guerin, If that can handle streams? |
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| 13:06.52 | doub | like some sort of pci id search |
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| 13:07.04 | Guerin | HansZ: it can |
| 13:07.10 | HansZ | Guerin, heh woot |
| 13:07.15 | porpo | hello everyone |
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| 13:07.32 | Guerin | HansZ: cplay can play anything you can decode to pcm; it works via shell escapes |
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| 13:07.59 | HansZ | Guerin, what do you mean by shell escapes? "\" and stuff? |
| 13:08.10 | torsten | hello, i have a harddisk, that prints me io errors while accessing some files, other files are readable, are there some tools that try to read the filesystem at the defect parts ? |
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| 13:08.35 | incorrect | i want to create login accounts, problem is i do not want users to be able to su, |
| 13:08.41 | MrKeuner | is there a problem with bots apt and dpkg? |
| 13:08.55 | Guerin | HansZ: cplay itself is a python app with an ncurses gui which you use to select files. It actually uses cli decoder apps in the background to play them. |
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| 13:09.16 | Guerin | and it's configurable, though the config file is a bit ugly if you don't know any python |
| 13:09.25 | directhex|work | doub, nice idea, but unfortunately no |
| 13:09.33 | HansZ | Guerin, hmm python..ive coded in that |
| 13:09.34 | Guerin | incorrect: don't tell them the root password |
| 13:09.46 | porpo | I have a little problem with sarge: everytime I reboot, my usb disc change the device where is "recognized", for example now is in /dev/sdb. If I restart it could become /dev/sdd.any idea please? thanks |
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| 13:09.52 | HansZ | But i've apt-get'd alsa, but there arent any modules prefixing with snd- |
| 13:09.58 | incorrect | Guerin, there must be a user group that can not su |
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| 13:10.04 | Guerin | incorrect: why? |
| 13:10.13 | directhex|work | HansZ, alsa kernel modules come in 2.6 kernels, but need to be hand-compiled on 2.4 |
| 13:10.27 | HansZ | directhex|work, Ok, then i'll upgrade to 2.6 |
| 13:10.38 | directhex|work | HansZ, if you want them, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i alsa |
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| 13:10.42 | HansZ | directhex|work, is that all ? |
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| 13:10.47 | Guerin | incorrect: why would you bother? if they don't know the password for the user they're su'ing to, they can't do anything. If they do know the pass, they should be allowed to su to that user; that's what the pass is for. |
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| 13:11.02 | doub | directhex|work: can it be added? in what language is the bot coded? |
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| 13:11.13 | directhex|work | doub, no idea, and perl |
| 13:11.33 | Blobb | Someone here with mono experience under Debian? |
| 13:11.36 | incorrect | Guerin, i dont want su exposed |
| 13:11.42 | Guerin | incorrect: exposed to what? |
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| 13:11.46 | incorrect | users |
| 13:11.52 | Guerin | incorrect: WHY NOT? |
| 13:12.00 | incorrect | because they are bad people |
| 13:12.14 | Guerin | i've given you a rationale as to why it doesn't matter how fucking bad they are; give me one as to why it does. |
| 13:12.20 | doub | directhex|work: who manages it? i mean, there's someone here who has control over it, they should know |
| 13:12.34 | incorrect | Guerin, you are a muppet |
| 13:12.36 | Guerin | if they don't know the pass, they can't do a fucking thing. if they do, they deserve to switch. |
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| 13:12.44 | directhex|work | doub, dondelelcaro manages dpkg, i think |
| 13:12.52 | Guerin | incorrect: no, YOU are the one who can't counter a coherent argument. |
| 13:12.54 | lestest | is there a script to generate signed cert and keys for apache2 ssl? |
| 13:12.56 | HansZ | calm down dudes |
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| 13:13.29 | paulswm | su is not just intended to switch to root, and you can control su through /etc/sudoers anyway |
| 13:13.42 | cahoot | huh? |
| 13:13.43 | incorrect | Guerin, so a users who shouldn't know the root password finds it, and oh no, Guerin has lost if system |
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| 13:13.55 | doub | dondelelcaro: is it possible to add some feature to dpkg? like it being able to search debian kernel pci id support lists |
| 13:14.36 | Guerin | incorrect: a user should never be able to find the root pass. If they can, it's ROOT's fault. How would they find it if it's properly secured? |
| 13:14.40 | paulswm | incorrect: If the user finds the root password, he/she doesn't fucking need sudo to trash the system anyway |
| 13:14.53 | paulswm | su I mean |
| 13:14.55 | HansZ | Guerin, I agree with that |
| 13:14.57 | Guerin | jesus |
| 13:15.00 | cahoot | paulswm: mixing up su and sudo? |
| 13:15.02 | boycer | Anyone know how to stop uw-imapd moving mail from /var/mail/foo to /home/foo/mbox? |
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| 13:15.09 | incorrect | Guerin, oh i dunno, beat the shit out the sys op |
| 13:15.14 | paulswm | cahoot: Yeah, not a good brain morning |
| 13:15.21 | Guerin | lestest: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-apache-sslcert.php&e=9707 |
| 13:15.27 | Guerin | oops |
| 13:15.33 | paulswm | cahoot: working with Oracle SQL*Loader and it's lowering my IQ |
| 13:15.36 | Guerin | chop that last bit off the end |
| 13:16.11 | paulswm | incorrect: apologies for mixing up su and sudo |
| 13:16.13 | cahoot | paulswm: mixing up irc and iq? |
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| 13:16.29 | paulswm | cahoot: I'll smack you in a minute :) |
| 13:16.34 | cahoot | paulswm: ;) |
| 13:16.37 | Guerin | incorrect: yeah, pretty much. Don't keep the root pass anywhere it can be accessed by someone who doesn't already have it. |
| 13:17.14 | lestest | Guerin: thankz |
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| 13:17.26 | incorrect | Guerin, i wasn't intending to, however if a service can be exploited i don't want discoverying, or runing john the ripper against roof |
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| 13:18.06 | hikenboot | I just updated my config to testing distribution and it upgraded the kernel...but I dont think it automatically copied over the modules configuration...would this be a fair assumptoin...I do not want to reboot till I am sure |
| 13:18.09 | mortalman | Total sarge newb here, but how do I go about setting up sound support in sarge? |
| 13:18.28 | Guerin | incorrect: if they get user, there are bound to be easier ways to get root than getting the root password. Presuming you have a sane password, I mean. |
| 13:18.55 | Guerin | mortalman: /msg dpkg audio |
| 13:19.43 | Guerin | hikenboot: if it upgraded the kernel, you've still got the old one. If you've followed the instructions you were given re lilo, you're good to go. |
| 13:20.01 | incorrect | i just know that someone here would be like i want root, give me root, gets the keys, goes into, takes the usb key ring, gets the passwords, and logs in using his password, and tries to su |
| 13:20.06 | HansZ | mortalman, 1: Find out what soundcard you got, lspci gives you the information(mostly).. 2: Read manuals (for the specfick) to install the card 3: Enjoy |
| 13:20.42 | Guerin | incorrect: that has to be serious misconduct; a firing/expulsion offence. |
| 13:20.52 | hikenboot | hmm lsast time i tried this my mouse wouldnt work and from what i understand the modules were not loaded correctly because the kernel didnt get a copy of the old modules to load... |
| 13:20.54 | mortalman | HanZ: I've got that info, where do I gofrom there? |
| 13:21.16 | HansZ | mortalman, Google search: "soundcardname guide" |
| 13:21.37 | Guerin | incorrect: what you're talking about is not a technical security risk; it's a social one. You can set limits on login attempts; I suggest you do it. |
| 13:21.38 | porpo | my external disk (usb connected) changes the 'dev' on each reboot (on debian sarge): anyone knows how to fix it? thanks |
| 13:21.41 | bodq | hello. I have some music and notes for it... I want to play it on the computer. I use debian. what program should I use? |
| 13:22.01 | incorrect | Guerin, yes true, but damage has been done, and its all very sorry and late in the day |
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| 13:23.57 | Blobb | I am a Linux/Debian newbie needing help with Appache... |
| 13:24.13 | abrotman | Blobb: you need to be more descriptive .. |
| 13:24.14 | HansZ | Blobb, what's the prob |
| 13:24.22 | Blobb | I have installed mono 1.1.6 |
| 13:24.30 | directhex|work | installed it how? |
| 13:24.31 | abrotman | !info mono sid |
| 13:24.35 | Blobb | Sid |
| 13:24.36 | dpkg | mono: (Mono .NET development environment), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.0.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 13:24.45 | abrotman | you mean .. EXPERIMENTAL! |
| 13:24.50 | directhex|work | nope, not sid, sid has 1.0.5 |
| 13:24.56 | abrotman | !info mono experimental |
| 13:25.06 | dpkg | mono: (Mono CLI (.NET) runtime), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.1.6-3 (experimental), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 13:25.07 | Blobb | Mono 1.1.6 (exprimental) from |
| 13:25.09 | abrotman | !win me |
| 13:25.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the US presidency! |
| 13:25.24 | abrotman | oh yeah .. i'm so invading canada |
| 13:25.32 | liable | heh |
| 13:25.36 | HansZ | hax0r |
| 13:26.04 | Blobb | and mod_mono 1.05 for Appache2 (1.1.6 is not available) |
| 13:26.22 | Guerin | incorrect: as paulswm so correctly pointed out, not having su will not prove a serious impediment to someone resourceful enough to get the root password. You're tilting at windmills; concentrate on real security measures like pass+key remote logins; only allowing local root if you can; limiting auth attempts; a strong security policy which will deter those who consider breaking it and punish those who actually do. |
| 13:26.29 | abrotman | #debian-mono , #apache .. and don't use experimental unless you know what you're diong |
| 13:26.30 | abrotman | doing |
| 13:26.54 | abrotman | Blobb: i assume you're trying to run ASP.NET off debian ? |
| 13:27.00 | Blobb | The problem is that there are no stable mono |
| 13:27.06 | Blobb | Yes..., |
| 13:27.06 | HansZ | Hmm are there anyways to use wget flags within apt-get ? |
| 13:27.08 | directhex|work | heh, he said "asp" |
| 13:27.13 | incorrect | Guerin, thats done |
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| 13:27.25 | mr_blue | hi all |
| 13:27.32 | liable | but, I thought you didnt need root for anything? |
| 13:27.35 | mr_blue | how to downgrade a package version ? thx |
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| 13:27.37 | abrotman | Blobb: probably #debian-mono is the best place to ask |
| 13:27.48 | incorrect | gentoo will not let a user su unless its a member of wheel |
| 13:27.49 | Blobb | Yes, but nobody is there... |
| 13:27.55 | abrotman | that's nto true |
| 13:27.58 | abrotman | there are people there |
| 13:27.58 | Blobb | I tried :-) |
| 13:28.04 | abrotman | they just might be sleeping |
| 13:28.06 | abrotman | !piav |
| 13:28.07 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 13:28.18 | abrotman | Blobb: they know far more about mono than we do |
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| 13:28.23 | Blobb | Ok... |
| 13:28.24 | paulswm | All this talk about root reminds me of something: |
| 13:28.28 | paulswm | !qotd39 |
| 13:28.28 | dpkg | [qotd39] <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password |
| 13:28.30 | abrotman | except Guerin .. because he's a microsoftie at heart |
| 13:28.36 | Guerin | ah, wheel is such a dirty piece o' work |
| 13:28.48 | HansZ | haha paulswm |
| 13:28.56 | dataw0lf|w | mmm. 10 server transition from RH to Debian. |
| 13:29.05 | incorrect | how so? |
| 13:29.06 | directhex|work | debtakeover! |
| 13:29.14 | HansZ | RUSH!! |
| 13:29.23 | abrotman | jennifer jason leigh |
| 13:29.33 | Guerin | incorrect: well, if you really want, it's possible to configure a wheel-like setup on debian; just copy a gentoo config |
| 13:29.40 | Blobb | Ok I will try again att #debian-mono |
| 13:29.40 | greycat | Geddy Lee |
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| 13:29.44 | abrotman | or use gentoo ? |
| 13:29.48 | HansZ | How to upgrade to 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 13:29.49 | Guerin | incorrect: but honestly, you're wasting your time |
| 13:29.55 | HansZ | apt-get install kernel.... would be enough? |
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| 13:29.59 | greycat | HansZ: run sarge, apt-cache search |
| 13:30.06 | abrotman | HansZ: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-<yourarch> |
| 13:30.13 | abrotman | HansZ: you're using sarge right ? |
| 13:30.15 | HansZ | abrotman, Aight! |
| 13:30.17 | HansZ | abrotman, jup |
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| 13:30.29 | exerd | hmm can i change swapspace from 500mb to 1000mb if i buy a new 512mb ddr memory |
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| 13:30.47 | HansZ | exerd, erm why such a large swapspace |
| 13:30.49 | bbrazil | exerd: if you want to |
| 13:30.51 | abrotman | exerd: add more swap space |
| 13:30.56 | liable | exerd: hmm, swap has nothing to do with it |
| 13:30.58 | abrotman | HansZ: i've had machines with 4GB swap |
| 13:31.04 | flame | hmm, more ram means less swap, right ? |
| 13:31.08 | HansZ | abrotman, what do you win with it :D |
| 13:31.08 | Guerin | no |
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| 13:31.16 | Guerin | the two are only tangentially connected |
| 13:31.17 | directhex|work | HansZ, many reasons for a large swap |
| 13:31.18 | Blobb | quit |
| 13:31.24 | liable | yes |
| 13:31.24 | abrotman | HansZ: not a working OCS . i can tell you that |
| 13:31.24 | HansZ | directhex|work, like? |
| 13:31.38 | exerd | Shouldnt swapspace be 2 * total ram? |
| 13:31.40 | directhex|work | HansZ, suspend-to-disk uses swap to store the state of ram |
| 13:31.57 | paulswm | flame: not necessarily, some people, like me, use big swap spaces becuase they mount tmpfs on /tmp and use a lot of /tmp space |
| 13:32.05 | liable | or another partition of your choice |
| 13:32.15 | HansZ | directhex|work, good one, anyways i've got a old laptop with 48 MBram, would more swapspace give me better performance? |
| 13:32.30 | Penix | I've got 384mb of ram and never had swap until I installed ut2004 |
| 13:32.34 | mr_blue | plz help which is the command to use to downgrad a package. i want to install perl 5.6.1. thx |
| 13:32.40 | abrotman | HansZ: no .. getting a new laptop would give you better performance :) |
| 13:32.45 | greycat | mr_blue: dpkg |
| 13:32.46 | abrotman | mr_blue: /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 13:32.48 | HansZ | abrotman, lol :> |
| 13:32.58 | mr_blue | oki thx |
| 13:33.09 | abrotman | though .. i have a feeling downgrading your perl is a super bad idae mr_blue |
| 13:33.14 | abrotman | idea even |
| 13:33.20 | HansZ | xD |
| 13:33.22 | Guerin | yeah |
| 13:33.26 | Penix | especially from 5.8 to 5.6 |
| 13:33.31 | liable | nite folks |
| 13:33.36 | HansZ | nite liable |
| 13:33.51 | Guerin | things might work.... but they might not. And perl is one of the debian tools' foundations |
| 13:33.53 | mr_blue | abrotman, it is because i have a 'Can't locate strict.pm' error |
| 13:33.55 | paulswm | I have an old laptop with 32MB only using 6 MB of swap, but then again it isn't running emacs or X |
| 13:34.13 | Guerin | bah, 32MB is plenty for emacs |
| 13:34.17 | abrotman | mr_blue: so install strict.pm ? |
| 13:34.24 | abrotman | Guerin: what about the OS ? |
| 13:34.24 | mr_blue | my apache server say that because i compiled mod_perl with a 5.6.1 versons |
| 13:34.30 | Penix | abrotman: he said emacs |
| 13:34.35 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 13:34.35 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 13:34.38 | Guerin | abrotman: emacs IS an OS. |
| 13:35.12 | exerd | when i do apt-get upgrade i get this: g++-3.3(1 bug), mime-support(1 bug), initrd-tools(2 bugs), libldap2(1 bug)Are you sure you want to install/upgrade the above packages? [Y/n/?/...] . Then i press "n" because i dont want to install bug packages but then it doesnt install the bugfree packages either. What to do? |
| 13:35.13 | mr_blue | abrotman, and i don't whant to reinstall modperl with perl 5.8 ... that's why i want to downgrad my perl install |
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| 13:35.21 | paulswm | !start an editor war |
| 13:35.21 | dpkg | "cat >" bites |
| 13:35.29 | directhex|work | nautilus officially sucks, i wasted a dvd to write 1mb of data, since it ignored the 4.5gb data file i also asked it to burn |
| 13:35.30 | Guerin | mr_blue: you are in for a huge world of hurt. |
| 13:35.50 | abrotman | mr_blue: i have no idea what you're really trying to do .. but i imagine it's going to go very badly .. and you will need a shoulder to cry on when you're done |
| 13:36.01 | Guerin | !bless mr_blue |
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| 13:36.03 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child mr_blue, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 13:36.08 | mr_blue | lol |
| 13:36.12 | RvGaTe | dpkg: How do i auth? |
| 13:36.17 | RvGaTe | :) |
| 13:36.19 | HansZ | A Pentium 120Mhz processor is 386 right? |
| 13:36.27 | greycat | !i386 |
| 13:36.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, i386 is the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. |
| 13:36.36 | directhex|work | um, a pentium 120mhz processor is a pentium |
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| 13:37.18 | HansZ | directhex|work, what arch :) |
| 13:37.18 | Penix | and a 586 |
| 13:37.18 | directhex|work | i386 |
| 13:37.30 | RvGaTe | How do i auth on this network ? |
| 13:37.37 | abrotman | RvGaTe: /msg nickserv help |
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| 13:38.06 | Jeo | I need to install a php debuger in my debian... any advice? |
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| 13:38.12 | Jeo | please |
| 13:38.21 | HansZ | Is it possible to use wget flags in apt-get, like limiting the downloadspeed |
| 13:38.22 | abrotman | a php debugger? |
| 13:38.25 | Jeo | i am using eclipse |
| 13:38.25 | abrotman | like a... browser ? |
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| 13:38.30 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:38.33 | jm_ | HansZ: apt-get doesn't use wget |
| 13:38.53 | HansZ | jm_, what for program does it use? |
| 13:39.04 | abrotman | it's own ? |
| 13:39.13 | Guerin | netcat, heh |
| 13:39.14 | HansZ | hm |
| 13:39.25 | Guerin | HansZ: you might want to look at something like trickle |
| 13:39.28 | abrotman | Guerin: you lie! |
| 13:39.32 | Jeo | when we install eclipse there are some options.. but to windows |
| 13:39.34 | abrotman | or netbrake |
| 13:39.37 | Guerin | abrotman: i didn't lie, I just made it up |
| 13:39.37 | HansZ | Guerin, what's trickle? |
| 13:39.42 | abrotman | !trickle |
| 13:39.46 | Guerin | apt-cache show trickle |
| 13:39.47 | abrotman | !info trickle sarge |
| 13:39.59 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 13:40.00 | Jeo | I have a debian as testserver, and i need a php to debug php scripts |
| 13:40.01 | abrotman | Jeo: you're not making sense .. use a browser to debug your PHP |
| 13:40.17 | abrotman | Jeo: oh .. apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 13:40.19 | jm_ | HansZ: there's a package that overloads some calls and can often be used |
| 13:40.31 | Jeo | abrotman, this is an option... |
| 13:40.32 | abrotman | Jeo: apt-cache search php |
| 13:40.35 | umbop | hmm, if i haven't got nolisten tcp enabled on xserver, i.e it's listening on port 6000, but there's obviously the xauthority etc, is that secure enough? |
| 13:40.41 | abrotman | !de |
| 13:40.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 13:41.00 | abrotman | umbop: will you sing some hanson with me ? |
| 13:41.11 | umbop | i will |
| 13:41.12 | HansZ | Trickle is a voluntary, cooperative bandwidth shaper. it works entirely in userland and is very easy to use. |
| 13:41.12 | HansZ | The most simple application is to limit the bandwidth usage of programs. |
| 13:41.14 | Guerin | umbop: i would say 'depends' |
| 13:41.18 | HansZ | Exactly what i need, thanks Guerin |
| 13:41.19 | Jeo | there is some debugers we can install with the server |
| 13:41.27 | abrotman | a browser |
| 13:41.28 | jm_ | ahh trickle |
| 13:41.30 | umbop | Guerin: ok depends on what exactly? |
| 13:41.31 | abrotman | a web browser |
| 13:41.38 | Jeo | to make steps and so on |
| 13:41.41 | abrotman | Jeo: what is your native language ? |
| 13:41.46 | umbop | i mean people could potentially flood the port with data |
| 13:41.47 | Jeo | portuguese |
| 13:41.52 | jm_ | right should search for shaper, silly me searching for traffic limit etc. |
| 13:41.54 | abrotman | you want a step through debugger for PHP ? |
| 13:41.56 | Guerin | umbop: is it a world-facing box, or is it behind a nat or something? |
| 13:42.02 | Jeo | yes... |
| 13:42.04 | HansZ | jm_, heh np |
| 13:42.04 | umbop | no it's world facing |
| 13:42.07 | Guerin | umbop: ie: what clients can potentially connect to it? |
| 13:42.09 | umbop | i.e. ANYONE can connect |
| 13:42.10 | abrotman | Jeo: i have no idea then .. ask #php |
| 13:42.14 | Jeo | I used with zend server |
| 13:42.15 | umbop | if they know the ip |
| 13:42.19 | abrotman | Jeo: i've never seen one .. |
| 13:42.20 | umbop | in fact a port scan will show it up |
| 13:42.30 | abrotman | Jeo: and i've been doing PHP since like 3.0.x |
| 13:42.33 | Guerin | then I'd say that if you haven't restricted who can connect to local adresses then you're begging to be opwned |
| 13:42.51 | Jeo | abrotman, you can check zend.com |
| 13:43.02 | Jeo | I am using since 3 as well |
| 13:43.05 | abrotman | Jeo: i use vi and a web browser .. works just fine for me :) |
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| 13:43.30 | HansZ | abrotman, nano + links, my favourites :) |
| 13:43.40 | umbop | i can't see how they can own it though. I've read through docs, and vulnerabilities, and there's nothing there. You'd need access to make the xauthority be created for another user or something |
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| 13:44.04 | abrotman | !wb weasel |
| 13:44.05 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! weasel has returned! |
| 13:44.06 | debaddict | good channel to talk about ldap and samba3 how to... |
| 13:44.08 | Jeo | actually with zend studio, it is perfect... you can try it |
| 13:44.17 | abrotman | debaddict: start in #samba or #openldap |
| 13:44.21 | Jeo | but now I change zend for eclipse |
| 13:44.21 | Guerin | umbop: yeah. the x protocol IS a potential minefield, though. |
| 13:44.30 | umbop | hmm |
| 13:44.32 | abrotman | Jeo: ask #php .. or ask the eclipse mailing list |
| 13:44.32 | debaddict | tks abrotman |
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| 13:44.38 | umbop | so there could be some buffer overflow that could be created? |
| 13:44.54 | abrotman | !overflow umbop |
| 13:45.14 | Guerin | umbop: there are almost always saner ways to use remote x than removing nolisten - ssh -x, for example |
| 13:45.16 | Jeo | I tried... |
| 13:45.17 | HansZ | !overflow me |
| 13:45.17 | Jeo | :) |
| 13:45.30 | umbop | yeh i read about that |
| 13:45.33 | Guerin | err, -X |
| 13:45.38 | Jeo | but you guys are the only one that try a conversation |
| 13:45.42 | umbop | does dpkg have docs on that? |
| 13:45.47 | Guerin | !sshx |
| 13:45.47 | dpkg | i heard sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 13:45.50 | sciboy | Hello there. |
| 13:45.52 | Jeo | they just ignore me |
| 13:45.52 | sciboy | I live? |
| 13:45.53 | umbop | thanks |
| 13:45.58 | HansZ | hi sciboy you live |
| 13:46.04 | EdibleText | !kill sciboy |
| 13:46.06 | paulswm | !kill sciboy |
| 13:46.10 | paulswm | HAH |
| 13:46.14 | Guerin | umbop: i use xdmcp, which has a sppecific option to limit connections from certain hosts |
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| 13:46.19 | EdibleText | !beat paulswm |
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| 13:46.27 | Guerin | or rather, to allow connections from certain hosts |
| 13:46.31 | paulswm | !prise EdibleText |
| 13:46.52 | sciboy | Ok, so after changing the patition table you do NOT re-mk2fs the partition if you want to keep the data. |
| 13:46.57 | sciboy | Can't believe that worked. |
| 13:47.01 | exerd | !beat EdibleText |
| 13:47.16 | Guerin | sciboy: did you fsck? |
| 13:47.18 | tra1a1a | where can I find a better explanation of how xauth and the related X security mechanism works than the xauth man page? |
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| 13:47.28 | sciboy | Guerin: Yup, no problems found =) |
| 13:47.44 | Guerin | owned |
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| 13:48.00 | sciboy | Guerin: I'm a little scared though... I just changed my partitional table and kept all my data intact. |
| 13:48.07 | sciboy | partition* |
| 13:48.18 | boycer | For those interested (if any), the answer to 'how to stop uw-imapd from moving mail from /var/mail/foo to /home/foo/mbox' was: don't have a /home/foo/mbox. Ugh. |
| 13:48.23 | Guerin | sciboy: that's cool. I never would have the balls to do that. |
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| 13:48.45 | sciboy | Guerin: Needless to say, i only resorted to doing this after failing to back my drive up 8 times. |
| 13:49.00 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:49.08 | Guerin | why failing? |
| 13:49.14 | HansZ | Are there any programs that can checkout my battery status? (laptop) |
| 13:49.19 | sciboy | Because i am still a n00b at heart =) |
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| 13:49.31 | Guerin | HansZ: apt-cache search battery |
| 13:49.41 | HansZ | Guerin, I don't like soo many results |
| 13:49.44 | wwallace | hello 2 all |
| 13:49.49 | HansZ | hello 2 you |
| 13:49.49 | Guerin | HansZ: man less; man grep |
| 13:49.49 | sciboy | Ok, gtg, just wanted to give you the results of how it went. |
| 13:49.55 | sciboy | Later. |
| 13:50.00 | HansZ | Guerin, I know how to use them.. |
| 13:50.00 | quitte | HansZ: cat /proc/apm. fro acpi it's somewhere in sys |
| 13:50.12 | HansZ | quitte, I'll try that |
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| 13:50.41 | cahoot | tra1a1a: look for remote x app howto on tldp |
| 13:51.02 | tra1a1a | HansZ: I'm not sure if lmsensors has a battery indication but do give it a try |
| 13:51.16 | HansZ | quitte, doesn't exist |
| 13:51.26 | tra1a1a | cahoot: right away, thanks |
| 13:51.32 | tra1a1a | ilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, |
| 13:51.42 | quitte | HansZ: modprobe apm? or are you using acpi? |
| 13:51.54 | HansZ | quitte, I dont know |
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| 13:52.35 | quitte | HansZ: is there something that looks like acpi in /sys/ ? like /sys/power? |
| 13:53.04 | HansZ | quitte, yes /sys/power exists |
| 13:53.14 | quitte | well cat stuff there then |
| 13:53.45 | Guerin | !cat |
| 13:53.46 | dpkg | methinks cat is a *nix command, see also more, less, or even better : the heavenly sweet 'dog'. |
| 13:53.56 | Guerin | hrm |
| 13:54.15 | HansZ | quitte, There's only a state file, nothing with battery status.. |
| 13:54.22 | minra | dog? |
| 13:54.26 | quitte | what does state say? |
| 13:54.29 | minra | dog > less? |
| 13:54.44 | HansZ | quitte, standy mem disk |
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| 13:54.53 | HansZ | *standby |
| 13:55.11 | quitte | HansZ: d'oh. it's somewhere in sys. sorry have no acpi box to check myself. |
| 13:55.15 | CyL | I'm auto mounting a NTFS volume via fstab; the fs gets mounted, but all the files get the umask 7777, and only root can access them (athought they should also be owned by a group called write, in wich my user is in). Any clue what is happening? |
| 13:55.20 | jm_ | you need ACPI battery module loaded |
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| 13:55.28 | HansZ | jm_, Hm? |
| 13:55.28 | jm_ | then it appears in /proc/acpi/battery |
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| 13:56.34 | HansZ | nevermind |
| 13:56.36 | doub | minra: it's a cat replacement. when cat is flat, use dog. it's not a pager |
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| 13:57.18 | MrKeuner | is there a /etc/defaults/cdrecord like config file for dvdrecord? or does it use the same file? |
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| 13:57.48 | doub | MrKeuner: i bet it's the same program |
| 13:58.10 | theine | Hi, is there a mentors.debian.net mirror? |
| 13:58.24 | tra1a1a | MrKeuner: this sounds like the kinda question that is already answered in the manual |
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| 13:59.32 | Guerin | CyL: long story short: you need to pass a uid/gid and/or umask |
| 13:59.43 | CyL | What should the line in fstab look like, so any user on a given group could access a ntfs volume? |
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| 14:00.05 | MrKeuner | doub/ no it is a fork |
| 14:00.15 | CyL | Guerin: I'm passing uid=0, gid=20000 (the group wich I'm in) and umask=1007 |
| 14:00.49 | MrKeuner | tra1a1a/ no it is not |
| 14:00.55 | Guerin | CyL: that should work, I guess. For read, at least - you know it won't write without extra tools and stupidity? |
| 14:01.02 | HansZ | Why i don't have a /etc/isapnp.conf ? |
| 14:01.06 | quitte | MrKeuner: do you know the reason? sounds a little bit like a hello world fork to me. |
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| 14:01.36 | MrKeuner | quitte/ I guess it is related with free software issues |
| 14:01.42 | CyL | Guerin: sure I am.. the user is myself |
| 14:01.53 | MrKeuner | fsf is maintaing the fork if ı recall correct |
| 14:02.02 | Guerin | CyL: ? |
| 14:02.03 | jm_ | quitte: because cdrecord author has a commercial product called for DVD burning |
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| 14:02.20 | CyL | Guerin: sorry buddy, I did not get you correctly... |
| 14:02.52 | jm_ | s/called // |
| 14:03.07 | jm_ | I think it's called cdrecord PRO |
| 14:03.19 | quitte | jm_ oh i thought it was still about cat/dog |
| 14:03.29 | minra | joerg schilling deserves to make some money |
| 14:03.33 | Guerin | CyL: all I said was that that looked ok to me, but it's been about a year since I've had to mount a windows filesystem |
| 14:03.42 | Guerin | oh, except my camera, which is umask=000 |
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| 14:05.01 | jm_ | I use gid=floppy,fmask=117,dmask=007,umask=007 |
| 14:05.01 | greycat | jm_: cdrecord-ProDVD |
| 14:05.05 | jm_ | greycat: ahh yes |
| 14:05.14 | CyL | Guerin: strange... I changed umask to 1117 and it mounted r--r----- |
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| 14:05.32 | Guerin | hrm, are you sure the umask can be a 4-digit? I've only used 3-digit... |
| 14:05.47 | CyL | Guerin: shouldn't it mount r-xr-x--- with umask 1117? |
| 14:05.49 | greycat | I don't think putting the setgid/setuid bits on a mount umask is meaningful. |
| 14:06.01 | greycat | maybe it's even dangerous. who knows. |
| 14:06.02 | Guerin | yeah |
| 14:06.10 | CyL | Guerin: well man chmod tells so... |
| 14:06.10 | Guerin | don't make no sense to me |
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| 14:06.28 | Guerin | but whether it'll pass sanely to an alien filesystem...? |
| 14:06.29 | CyL | greycat: Il try wipping them off.. just a momment |
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| 14:07.14 | crashbg | sarge+kde (no *dm), how to add "Shutdown" button? |
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| 14:07.48 | solemnwarning | is postfix unsecure\easy to expliot? |
| 14:07.55 | Guerin | crashbg: bind something to kdesu shutdown -h now |
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| 14:08.07 | Guerin | solemnwarning: not if properly administered. |
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| 14:08.11 | solemnwarning | ? |
| 14:08.16 | Guerin | solemnwarning: ! |
| 14:08.30 | solemnwarning | in another chan some1 said they can do stuff to my maiol server through it |
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| 14:08.33 | solemnwarning | is that true? |
| 14:08.42 | solemnwarning | should i try amd upgrade to qmail? |
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| 14:08.59 | Guerin | solemnwarning: i don't know anything about your mailserver, how it's administered, who this person is, or what they said they'd do. |
| 14:09.03 | EdibleText | solemnwarning, if it is (mis)configured to do so, yes.. |
| 14:09.10 | Guerin | postfix -> qmail is NOT an upgrade |
| 14:09.17 | kneet | sidegrade at best :) |
| 14:09.18 | abrotman | hell no |
| 14:09.22 | Guerin | no way |
| 14:09.28 | solemnwarning | is it like that by default apt install? |
| 14:09.35 | Guerin | solemnwarning: like WHAT? |
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| 14:09.43 | solemnwarning | and i thought qmail was a more secure mta :S |
| 14:09.53 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, if it's vanilla. |
| 14:09.57 | abrotman | solemnwarning: by default .. i don't think postfix will relay any mail .. sounds pretty secure to me :) |
| 14:09.57 | Guerin | it was ... in the '90s, when it was written. |
| 14:10.01 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 14:10.07 | abrotman | solemnwarning: so says DJB .. but he lies .. a lot |
| 14:10.07 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 14:10.10 | Guerin | the postfix default install is almost unusably secure |
| 14:10.20 | dataw0lf|w | abrotman: it is secure if you don't add anything to it. |
| 14:10.20 | solemnwarning | oh crap |
| 14:10.24 | CyL | greycat: stupid mount mounted the volume r-------x with umask 117... isn't that a strange behaviour? |
| 14:10.26 | solemnwarning | its on my mail server |
| 14:10.30 | abrotman | dataw0lf|w: and so is windows if you turn it off :) |
| 14:10.39 | dataw0lf|w | abrotman: which is the whole point. |
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| 14:10.40 | solemnwarning | why is apt install unsecure by default?? |
| 14:10.47 | Guerin | solemnwarning: what did this hax0r say he could do? |
| 14:10.51 | Guerin | it's NOT |
| 14:10.55 | abrotman | solemnwarning: what are you talking about ? |
| 14:10.56 | solemnwarning | remote access and stuff |
| 14:10.57 | dataw0lf|w | abrotman: DJB never lied, however (about that) |
| 14:10.58 | greycat | CyL: quite odd. |
| 14:10.59 | Guerin | it's so secure it's a pain in the arse |
| 14:10.59 | solemnwarning | mess with server |
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| 14:11.06 | abrotman | dataw0lf|w: about which ? |
| 14:11.07 | CyL | greycat: sorry, the attributes are r----x---, but umask is still 117 |
| 14:11.16 | dataw0lf|w | abrotman: about qmail's core source being secure. |
| 14:11.22 | dataw0lf|w | it's some pretty nice code, admittedly. |
| 14:11.28 | Guerin | abrotman: about 'my code is secure - other peoples' isn't' - the DJB Motto |
| 14:11.37 | abrotman | dataw0lf|w: the core was good .. when he first finished it .. but it's so old and crusty now .. no telling |
| 14:11.41 | Guerin | !qmail |
| 14:11.41 | dpkg | [qmail] a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html, or ... |
| 14:11.51 | abrotman | Guerin: i say the sam ething :) |
| 14:11.57 | Guerin | read some of the links in that last post for analyses of how b0rk3n qmail is |
| 14:12.00 | k-man | anyone know where i can find a document that describes why people might write free/oss software for a non technical person to read? |
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| 14:12.13 | Guerin | abrotman: you're not a prof of compsci, though, so nobody cares :) |
| 14:12.16 | abrotman | k-man: cathedral and bazaar ? |
| 14:12.17 | dataw0lf|w | k-man: Cathedral and the Bazaar. |
| 14:12.19 | asg | k-man: oreilly.com/openbook |
| 14:12.21 | abrotman | Guerin: i could have been! |
| 14:12.24 | Guerin | k-man: fsf.org |
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| 14:12.44 | k-man | thanks, ill take a look at them |
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| 14:12.51 | Guerin | abrotman: heh, sure buddy. Professor PHP! |
| 14:13.17 | abrotman | Guerin: you know .. i took many other languages in college .. and PHP wasn't one of them |
| 14:13.17 | solemnwarning | !kernal |
| 14:13.17 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 14:13.19 | solemnwarning | XD |
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| 14:13.26 | solemnwarning | !qmail |
| 14:13.26 | dpkg | well, qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html, or ... |
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| 14:13.41 | solemnwarning | http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html, << not a valid url |
| 14:13.48 | solemnwarning | some1 should update it :P |
| 14:14.02 | Guerin | take the , off the end |
| 14:14.05 | abrotman | Guerin: you know .. c/c++,cobol,rpg,asm(x86/sparc), snobol,java |
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| 14:14.19 | Guerin | there's a programming language called rpg? |
| 14:14.28 | abrotman | !qmail =~ s/179.html,/179.html/ |
| 14:14.28 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 14:14.32 | abrotman | Guerin: yes |
| 14:14.34 | abrotman | !rpg |
| 14:14.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rpg is Report Program Generator |
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| 14:14.43 | Guerin | 1337 |
| 14:14.45 | Aradorn | hi |
| 14:14.50 | abrotman | Guerin: mainframe stuff :) |
| 14:15.12 | abrotman | was that all i learned in college .. i guess i had a lot of C++ |
| 14:15.33 | Aradorn | anyone know if the USB key boot img will run on a fat32 partition? |
| 14:15.36 | Guerin | oh, ok |
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| 14:15.51 | solemnwarning | $qmail--; |
| 14:15.53 | solemnwarning | lol |
| 14:16.05 | solemnwarning | ill stick with postfix and look for patches |
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| 14:16.11 | Guerin | solemnwarning: patches to WHAT? |
| 14:16.28 | Guerin | if there's a security hole, it'll be fixed post-haste (heh) in debian |
| 14:16.48 | solemnwarning | lol |
| 14:16.49 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 14:16.56 | kozy | does anybody have any suggestions concerning my problem stated above as user __root__ (:), like maybe going to another place to ask for help? |
| 14:16.57 | solemnwarning | ill just update more :) |
| 14:17.02 | Guerin | solemnwarning: but since you have the haxx0r equivalent of "i'll beat u up afta skool' as a threat, I wouldn't worry TOO much |
| 14:17.08 | PerfDave | !further help |
| 14:17.08 | dpkg | If #debian can't help you with your problem, try asking again in a few hours when different people will be active. Other ports of call include the Debian mailing lists ( http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ ) or your local LUG. Or even professional support - see http://www.debian.org/support |
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| 14:17.25 | clojster | I'm compilling kernel 2.6.11.10 but I can't find CONFIG_RTNETLINK and CONFIG_NETLINK anywhere... I need them because of iproutes2 package |
| 14:17.29 | Guerin | k-man: state it again |
| 14:17.37 | Guerin | kozy: state it again |
| 14:17.39 | solemnwarning | !kernal |
| 14:17.40 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 14:17.40 | clojster | can somebody tell me where are those options? |
| 14:17.51 | solemnwarning | dpkg is getting annoyed ay speeling :P |
| 14:17.52 | abrotman | clojster: why did you compile your own kernel ? |
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| 14:18.09 | Guerin | kozy: we didn't see your post becasue root@* is devoiced in here |
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| 14:18.24 | clojster | abrotman: I'm used to compile my kernel... I have there only thing that I really need |
| 14:18.32 | clojster | *things |
| 14:18.48 | abrotman | clojster: but you messed it up |
| 14:18.55 | clojster | abrotman: nono |
| 14:19.00 | abrotman | yesyes |
| 14:19.09 | clojster | abrotman: just cant find those options |
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| 14:19.19 | abrotman | clojster: ask #kernel |
| 14:19.26 | HansZ | I need help installing my Soundcard, information is here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1650329#post1650329 |
| 14:19.44 | Guerin | !linuxquestions.org |
| 14:19.44 | dpkg | DON'T bother going to linuxquestions.org for help. By and large the people there are Red Hat tools or Mandrake tards or Knoppix morons who don't know a goddamn motherfucking thing about debian, and do nothing but lead innocent newbies astray. See http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/26/2004/06/2/154223 |
| 14:20.07 | HansZ | lol |
| 14:20.19 | MrKeuner | how can I create nvidia modules using make-kpkg if there is no headers directory but the source directory instead. I have compiled a custom kernel. |
| 14:20.35 | Guerin | HansZ: is that a opl3sa2-based card? |
| 14:20.36 | garung | lol |
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| 14:20.51 | CyL | I'm getting an issue with a NTFS volume: in fstab it's umask is set 117, but it is mounted with attributes r----x---. What could be happening? |
| 14:20.54 | garung | linuxquestions people are retards? |
| 14:20.57 | HansZ | Guerin, I dont know |
| 14:21.03 | Guerin | garung: by and large, yeah. |
| 14:21.10 | Guerin | HansZ: what kernel version? |
| 14:21.11 | tarzeau | garung: yes |
| 14:21.15 | garung | hehe |
| 14:21.16 | HansZ | Guerin, 2.6.8 |
| 14:21.24 | PerfDave | MrKeuner: You don't need to compile a custom kernel to install nVidia drivers. /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 14:21.25 | Guerin | HansZ: a la debian? |
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| 14:21.31 | HansZ | Guerin, a la debian |
| 14:21.36 | Aradorn | whats a good linux forum i can goto for help with installing Debian on my USB HDD? |
| 14:21.40 | pharm | MrKeuner: if the kernel sources in question are in /usr/src, you can just run make-kpkg modules_image in the kernel toplevel direcectory (assuming you've installed the nvidia debian source package) |
| 14:21.42 | abrotman | Guerin: it is |
| 14:21.49 | tarzeau | Aradorn: use newsgroups |
| 14:21.52 | PerfDave | Aradorn: #debian? :) |
| 14:21.52 | Guerin | HansZ: give me your lsmod |grep snd; output on a httpd |
| 14:21.57 | tarzeau | !gmane |
| 14:21.57 | dpkg | i guess gmane is news.gmane.org |
| 14:22.02 | tuxipuxi | hi i remember there were debian packages for the ati proprietary driver, is that right? if so, do they work for xorg too? |
| 14:22.09 | HansZ | Guerin, look at the url i gave, there's all the information |
| 14:22.10 | abrotman | Guerin: it's in the URL he linked |
| 14:22.13 | Aradorn | PerfDave yeah been in here a few days got muted tuesday night for soem reason... |
| 14:22.16 | PerfDave | tuxipuxi: xorg isn't in Debian :) |
| 14:22.18 | Guerin | yeah, because debian packages proprietary softwasre |
| 14:22.18 | tarzeau | tuxipuxi: xorg does not exist |
| 14:22.21 | abrotman | tuxipuxi: we dont' know .. xorg isn't in debian |
| 14:22.23 | PerfDave | tuxipuxi: /msg dpkg ati |
| 14:22.25 | tuxipuxi | i've debian xorg packages |
| 14:22.33 | PerfDave | tuxipuxi: No you don't :) |
| 14:22.34 | greycat | tuxipuxi: no you don't. |
| 14:22.36 | tarzeau | Guerin: heh |
| 14:22.36 | MrKeuner | pharm/ yeah I was normally entering the headers directory to run make-kpkg --append... this time all I have to do is to enter the /usr/src/linux right? |
| 14:22.39 | Guerin | HansZ: that doesn't include lsmod |grep snd ; that's what I need |
| 14:22.43 | tarzeau | tuxipuxi: you lie! |
| 14:22.46 | HansZ | Guerin, k |
| 14:22.50 | greycat | you have debian, and you have xorg packages, but they are not debian xorg packages. |
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| 14:23.01 | tuxipuxi | no official ones, but i have them |
| 14:23.04 | pharm | MrKeuner: Works for me with my custom kernels... |
| 14:23.07 | tarzeau | tuxipuxi: no you don't |
| 14:23.09 | PerfDave | tuxipuxi: There are no official Debian xorg packages. If you have xorg packages for Debian, they are not from the Debian repositories and hence are not Debian packages. |
| 14:23.12 | MrKeuner | pharm/ ok thanks |
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| 14:23.23 | HansZ | Guerin, send |
| 14:23.26 | tuxipuxi | i know they're not official |
| 14:23.37 | tarzeau | tuxipuxi: they're not debian |
| 14:23.38 | greycat | tuxipuxi: or to put it another way: "Don't know, don't care, it's not supported here. Try it yourself." |
| 14:23.46 | Guerin | HansZ: /msg is not a httpd. But ok. |
| 14:23.54 | HansZ | Guerin, sorry.. this is kinda easier |
| 14:24.03 | Guerin | HansZ: what happens when you cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; ? |
| 14:24.16 | abrotman | tuxipuxi: ask #ati how to do it |
| 14:24.22 | tuxipuxi | ok thanks |
| 14:24.30 | HansZ | Guerin, There's noise!! |
| 14:24.31 | ElSebas | where can I setup the local domain in sendmail? |
| 14:24.31 | abrotman | or #freedesktop i guess .. |
| 14:24.34 | HansZ | Guerin, woot.. it works :/ |
| 14:24.36 | Guerin | huzzah! it works! |
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| 14:24.43 | Guerin | and you didn't change anything! |
| 14:24.48 | HansZ | what the :) |
| 14:24.59 | tarzeau | ElSebas: #sendmail |
| 14:25.01 | MrKeuner | do I still need the --append-to-version thing if my kernel version is just 2.6.11 but not 2.6.11-something |
| 14:25.12 | HansZ | Guerin, how to let programs use DSP? |
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| 14:25.17 | HansZ | Guerin, is that the same as OSS? |
| 14:25.31 | tarzeau | HansZ: kinda, yes |
| 14:25.37 | HansZ | tarzeau, allright |
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| 14:25.42 | Guerin | HansZ: pretty much. are you using kde or gnome? |
| 14:25.43 | tarzeau | !audio |
| 14:25.43 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 14:25.51 | Guerin | i did nothing! |
| 14:25.51 | HansZ | Guerin, nope windowmaker |
| 14:25.51 | Aradorn | Ok, I have sarge installed on my USB harddrive, problem is I cant boot from it since the kernel dosnt load the drivers in time. So now I have to reconfigure when the kernel should load the USB modules and then give it a delay. Anyone here know how to do that? or know where I might could look (cant find anything on google) |
| 14:26.15 | Guerin | HansZ: stranger things have happened; let me assure you. I have a card with the same chipset in my old toshiba laptop; my first 7 days with linux were spent getting it working :) |
| 14:26.35 | HansZ | Guerin, heh :D |
| 14:26.59 | HansZ | Guerin, aplay says there arent any soundcards |
| 14:27.01 | Aradorn | is there a size limit to fat16 partitions? |
| 14:27.21 | Guerin | HansZ: what does cat /prroc/asound/cards; say? |
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| 14:27.35 | HansZ | debian:~# cat /proc/asound/cards; |
| 14:27.35 | HansZ | --- no soundcards --- |
| 14:27.38 | Guerin | Aradorn: yes. not sure what, though. |
| 14:27.44 | PerfDave | Aradorn: Are you using a Debian kernel-image? |
| 14:27.44 | Aradorn | hrm |
| 14:27.46 | CyL | Aradorn: I 'm not sure, but I guess it should be 4 GB |
| 14:27.49 | Guerin | HansZ: funky. got mplayer? |
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| 14:28.00 | Aradorn | PerfDave yes |
| 14:28.07 | HansZ | Guerin, no only beep-media-player currently |
| 14:28.22 | PerfDave | Aradorn: Have you read the Sarge Installation Manual's documentation on USB drives? |
| 14:28.23 | Guerin | HansZ: try the alsa plugin; also try to run alsamixer |
| 14:28.26 | Aradorn | ive tried treating the device like a USB key but it gave me apartition error |
| 14:28.26 | Guerin | both should error |
| 14:28.31 | Aradorn | its for USB keys |
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| 14:28.49 | Aradorn | i tried it with my drive but got some weird partition error on reboot |
| 14:29.01 | HansZ | Guerin, No such device |
| 14:29.07 | Aradorn | but its vague nonetheless.. |
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| 14:29.10 | kozy_ | mmm, did my question got trough? Some trouble here (all the time :() |
| 14:29.17 | w0wie | with apt is it possible to pin to a specific source? |
| 14:29.17 | Guerin | HansZ: yeah. mind pasting the whole output of lsmod? |
| 14:29.29 | HansZ | Guerin, no not really standby |
| 14:29.33 | crashbg | i tried startx -- :1 vt8 through openssh with x-forwarding enabled but nothing happens :( |
| 14:29.43 | PerfDave | Aradorn: Hmm, can't really help, I've not tried installing Sarge on a USB drive. |
| 14:29.46 | abrotman | w0wie: yes |
| 14:29.50 | Guerin | HansZ: what you HAVE appears to be OSS sound - no alsa - but you have only alsa modules loaded. This is weird. |
| 14:29.50 | abrotman | !tell w0wie about pinning |
| 14:29.59 | Guerin | ah |
| 14:30.12 | Aradorn | PerfDave that seems to be the general consensus. And all the how-tos are for FC2 or some other distro with an earlier kernel |
| 14:30.16 | w0wie | abrotman: oh thanks |
| 14:30.22 | EdibleText | Aradorn, , fat16 limit is 2GB |
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| 14:30.34 | Aradorn | thoguht so, couldnt remember =) thanks eddul |
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| 14:30.37 | Aradorn | er EdibleText |
| 14:30.38 | PerfDave | Aradorn: /msg dpkg further help |
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| 14:30.51 | xidaux | ananke: Mental illness is a political football used against people. It's an invective appellation using spurious pseudo-scientific fancy nomenclature meant to cause direct vituperation through Pavlovian-Chomksy-esqye linquistic brainwashing from the vertical and horizonal media. |
| 14:30.51 | Guerin | HansZ: kill all sound apps and modprobe -r ad1848 uart401 sound |
| 14:31.02 | pharm | Aradorn: I've installed sarge on a flash device. Worked fine. |
| 14:31.05 | w0wie | abrotman: so i can pin to a specific deb file server |
| 14:31.09 | Guerin | HansZ: or you could just stay with oss sound, since it works :) |
| 14:31.14 | xidaux | ananke: Mental illness is a political football used against people. It's an invective appellation using spurious pseudo-scientific fancy nomenclature meant to cause direct vituperation through Pavlovian-Chomksy-esque linquistic brainwashing from the vertical and horizonal media rather. |
| 14:31.27 | HansZ | Guerin, Toshiba is messing with me :> |
| 14:31.33 | xidaux | Sorry wrong channel |
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| 14:31.39 | abrotman | w0wie: erm ... you can pin to a certain release .. not specific server afaik |
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| 14:31.45 | Guerin | xidaux: much as I agree with you, I have to say you're a crazy bastard |
| 14:31.48 | w0wie | abrotman: k ty |
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| 14:31.52 | abrotman | w0wie: why? |
| 14:31.53 | HansZ | Guerin, Still no soundcards found (aplay -l) |
| 14:31.54 | Guerin | oh, he left |
| 14:31.55 | MrKeuner | is make-kpkg --initrd what I need to recompile a kernel-image using /boot/config-2.6.11-k7? |
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| 14:32.12 | smacnay__ | Guerin: I was going to say "schizoid"... |
| 14:32.14 | w0wie | abrotman: cause wine works on my system from a later release i think it is |
| 14:32.17 | enjoy__ | hi there.. anyone from brazil ? i need a traceroute from bazil.. thanks in advance |
| 14:32.22 | Guerin | HansZ: yeah. are sound, ad1848 and uart401 still there? |
| 14:32.26 | abrotman | w0wie: you mean wine from sid ? |
| 14:32.27 | priest | !windows |
| 14:32.27 | Guerin | smacnay__: heh |
| 14:32.27 | dpkg | hmm... windows is from memory, windows is a 32 bit shell on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally designed for a 4 bit microprocessor, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or see panic(3) |
| 14:32.41 | teun | enjoy__: www.traceroute.org should have some links to sites which can do that for you |
| 14:32.44 | w0wie | abrotman: i'll just pin the version |
| 14:32.45 | HansZ | Guerin, I modprobed them.. but lsmod doesn't show them |
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| 14:32.58 | Guerin | HansZ: modprobe -r removes them |
| 14:33.04 | HansZ | Guerin, Oh lol |
| 14:33.11 | enjoy__ | teun: great, thanks :) |
| 14:33.56 | tarzeau | how to get a list of all module parameters of a linux driver again? |
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| 14:34.39 | Guerin | HansZ: modprobe snd_opl3sa2 |
| 14:34.50 | Guerin | that's the one you appear to be missing |
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| 14:34.56 | synapse | hi |
| 14:35.05 | synapse | could someone help me with my c program plz? |
| 14:35.12 | tarzeau | synapse: we can't read mind |
| 14:35.13 | Guerin | synapse: #c |
| 14:35.25 | Guerin | tarzeau: speak for yourself |
| 14:35.30 | synapse | jus I don't want to spam the main chan :) |
| 14:35.40 | tarzeau | Guerin: you can't read mind! |
| 14:35.41 | abrotman | go to #c |
| 14:35.50 | Guerin | synapse: so you're going to spam a totally unrelated channel. nice. |
| 14:36.00 | HansZ | Guerin, Error running install command for snd.. |
| 14:36.14 | Guerin | HansZ: paste the whole error if it's short |
| 14:36.14 | chealer | tarzeau: do you mean modinfo? |
| 14:36.32 | Guerin | tarzeau: never said *I* could, but greycat clearly can, even if he hides it well |
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| 14:36.49 | synapse | thanks abrotman |
| 14:36.51 | HansZ | Guerin, via SSH it works :/ |
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| 14:37.12 | tarzeau | chealer: thank you |
| 14:37.16 | HansZ | Guerin, it's loaded now |
| 14:37.24 | Guerin | HansZ: try the cat test again; if that works, try running alsamixer |
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| 14:37.43 | Guerin | by 'works' i mean 'doesn't yield an error' |
| 14:37.45 | HansZ | Guerin, /dev/dsp no such device |
| 14:37.48 | Guerin | ok |
| 14:38.14 | HansZ | not ok :P |
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| 14:38.56 | tarzeau | greycat: can you read mind? |
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| 14:39.36 | Guerin | HansZ: echo snd-opl3sa2 >> /etc/modules ; reboot |
| 14:39.39 | directhex|work | ARGH. stupid stupid mkisofs |
| 14:39.43 | xiaogil | how to set the max time of a connection in apache2 ? |
| 14:39.45 | Guerin | HansZ: this is the lazy bastard way of doing it :) |
| 14:39.52 | abrotman | argh .. stupid directhex|work :) |
| 14:39.52 | greycat | tarzeau: only on some days. |
| 14:40.04 | HansZ | Guerin, lol ok, laptop is rebooting now |
| 14:40.06 | greycat | xiaogil: #apache didn't know? |
| 14:40.10 | xiaogil | msg dpkg java |
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| 14:41.28 | mutombo | hello everyone |
| 14:41.47 | Morydd | can anyone surmise why k3b would not show an installable version in apt? |
| 14:41.48 | directhex|work | abrotman, debian's mkisofs appears to ignore -udf's >2gb capability |
| 14:41.55 | tarzeau | mutombo: mutombo is an african word for what? |
| 14:41.57 | abrotman | directhex|work: sarge? |
| 14:41.59 | directhex|work | Morydd, because you're on debian woody? |
| 14:42.04 | directhex|work | abrotman, sarge. |
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| 14:42.10 | abrotman | directhex|work: file an RC bug! |
| 14:42.11 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:42.17 | HansZ | Guerin, The system is going down for reboot NOW! (2 minutes elasped lol) |
| 14:42.21 | Morydd | directhex|work: I'm running unstable on this box. |
| 14:42.23 | Guerin | dear me |
| 14:42.24 | mutombo | i have a pretty strange dpkg problem here |
| 14:42.34 | tarzeau | mutombo: do you have debian? |
| 14:42.36 | HansZ | Guerin, ah it goes down finally |
| 14:42.45 | Guerin | even my p2-233 only takes 30 sec |
| 14:42.46 | HansZ | mutombo, tell us |
| 14:42.46 | mutombo | yes and im not african ;) |
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| 14:42.58 | tarzeau | mutombo: is the package really officially from debian? |
| 14:43.02 | xiaogil | greycat: nobody answers in #apache |
| 14:43.12 | resiak | !noone answers |
| 14:43.14 | abrotman | Morydd: and you're using an http source ? |
| 14:43.16 | mutombo | no i made a deb package myself |
| 14:43.20 | abrotman | !noon |
| 14:43.20 | abrotman | !noone |
| 14:43.23 | tarzeau | mutombo: of what? where is it? |
| 14:43.24 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 14:43.24 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 14:43.26 | abrotman | resiak: i know we have that! |
| 14:43.27 | Morydd | yes. |
| 14:43.30 | abrotman | !greycatsnack |
| 14:43.30 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a chocolate chip cookie for all the hard work |
| 14:43.33 | mutombo | moment please :) |
| 14:43.38 | abrotman | Morydd: apt-cache search k3b .. does it come up ? |
| 14:43.40 | Guerin | !factinfo they don't know |
| 14:43.40 | dpkg | they don't know -- created by greycat <~wooledg@192.35.79.70> at Tue Mar 1 17:31:45 2005 (78 days); it has been requested 23 times, last by greycat, 15s ago. |
| 14:43.42 | Guerin | awesome |
| 14:43.46 | greycat | granted, an apache2 question is sort of on topic here, since debian has apache2 packages (though god only knows WHY) |
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| 14:44.01 | mutombo | if used this howto: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO |
| 14:44.01 | xiaogil | greycat: i tried google too, no answer |
| 14:45.05 | greycat | xiaogil: did you try the documentation? |
| 14:45.06 | HansZ | Guerin, the module is being loaded.. succesfully |
| 14:45.06 | Morydd | abrotman: k3b - A sophisticated KDE cd burning application |
| 14:45.06 | tarzeau | mutombo: and where's your package? what's your problem? |
| 14:45.06 | mutombo | i pakced some databases i use but they are pretty big files around 4GB |
| 14:45.06 | Guerin | xiaogil: httpd.apache.org |
| 14:45.06 | abrotman | Morydd: and `apt-get install k3b` says what ? |
| 14:45.06 | tarzeau | mutombo: UGH! |
| 14:45.06 | mutombo | as deb it is around 300mb |
| 14:45.06 | Guerin | mutombo: WHY? |
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| 14:45.07 | mutombo | when i install it with dpkg it tells me defect tar |
| 14:45.07 | Morydd | abrotman: unmet dependencies |
| 14:45.07 | abrotman | Morydd: welcome to using sid |
| 14:45.07 | tarzeau | Guerin: i've made packages that are 700+ mb :) |
| 14:45.07 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 14:45.07 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 14:45.11 | mutombo | but i can extract it with ar und tar its alright |
| 14:45.15 | Guerin | tarzeau: you're a mutant freak, though |
| 14:45.27 | abrotman | he's a swiss pickle! |
| 14:45.34 | tarzeau | i'm not swiss |
| 14:45.42 | EdibleText | pickle? |
| 14:45.42 | Guerin | he'a a turkish pickle! |
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| 14:45.50 | mutombo | so the data.tar.gz is alright |
| 14:45.50 | tarzeau | i'm not pickle either |
| 14:45.56 | Guerin | sure buddy |
| 14:46.00 | Guerin | whatever yoou say |
| 14:46.03 | mutombo | but dpkg seems to have problems with it |
| 14:46.05 | EdibleText | !pickle tarzeau |
| 14:46.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you sure ? |
| 14:46.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: very |
| 14:46.35 | mutombo | ah btw i use sarge, its a freh installed system |
| 14:46.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: i still need pictures of the cute turkish girl :) |
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| 14:46.49 | Guerin | HansZ: booted yet? |
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| 14:46.58 | HansZ | Guerin, needs time |
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| 14:47.10 | Guerin | sure enough |
| 14:47.15 | notty | hello, what was the pkg that contain the tc command in it ? |
| 14:47.17 | HansZ | Guerin, Ok logging into X.. |
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| 14:47.24 | Guerin | you don't need x |
| 14:47.33 | EdibleText | !find tc |
| 14:47.35 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'tc' (15 of 340): apt-listchanges ;; apt-watch ;; aptconf ;; arpwatch ;; bandersnatch ;; bandersnatch-frontend ;; bidwatcher ;; bitchx ;; bitchx-dev ;; bitchx-gtk ;; bitchx-ssl ;; bitcollider ;; bitcollider-plugins ;; bootcd ;; bootcd-hppa. |
| 14:47.35 | HansZ | Guerin, It's being automaticly started.. |
| 14:47.47 | HansZ | Guerin, X only takes 2sec, its done |
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| 14:47.55 | Guerin | cat test |
| 14:47.59 | fatal_ | notty: iproute |
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| 14:48.32 | CyL | How do I see what return code does a program returns? |
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| 14:48.38 | HansZ | Guerin, No such device /dev/dsp |
| 14:48.40 | Guerin | CyL: echo $? |
| 14:48.46 | fatal_ | cyl: echo $? (bash) |
| 14:48.49 | Guerin | grr, wtf |
| 14:48.56 | mutombo | hm ok i thought its perhaps the site of the file |
| 14:48.59 | mutombo | size |
| 14:49.21 | mutombo | but if tarzeau already did debs with more than 700MB |
| 14:49.29 | Guerin | HansZ: gimme lsmo |grep snd again |
| 14:49.31 | mutombo | hmm |
| 14:49.33 | Guerin | lsmod, even |
| 14:49.35 | HansZ | Guerin, sure standby |
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| 14:49.58 | Guerin | !soundcheck is <reply>Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 14:49.58 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 14:50.13 | _joey | Can I use 802.11g cards with 802.11b router ? |
| 14:50.30 | Guerin | fucking hell |
| 14:50.32 | CyL | Guerin: I 'm trying to execute mount, an it does not give me the expected behavior.., how do I see what value was return for it after it's execution? |
| 14:50.42 | xiaogil | Guerin: i can't find my answer there too. i thought it would be /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, but i can't find the amount of time for a connection in it |
| 14:50.42 | Guerin | stupid module system has loaded those OSS modules again |
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| 14:51.04 | PerfDave | _joey: I believe so, yes, but only at 802.11b speeds |
| 14:51.04 | chealer | Guerin: I think code files make cooler sounds than vmlinuz :) |
| 14:51.05 | Guerin | xiaogil: it's something like Timeout in apache 1 |
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| 14:51.14 | Guerin | chealer: geek |
| 14:51.26 | Guerin | HansZ: remove those three rogue non-oss modules again |
| 14:51.29 | Guerin | damnit |
| 14:51.30 | xiaogil | Guerin: yes, i know it in apache1... |
| 14:51.36 | pureone | i belive 802.11g can fall back on b im not sure though |
| 14:51.46 | HansZ | Guerin, hmm what modules? |
| 14:51.46 | _joey | PerfDave well, My external link is only 1.5mbps at home |
| 14:51.49 | Guerin | HansZ: this time /msg dpkg blacklist and blacklilst all three of those evil motherfuckers |
| 14:51.52 | chealer | Guerin: music-lover geek ;) |
| 14:51.55 | bbrazil | CyL: echo $? |
| 14:52.00 | tarzeau | mutombo: that was not for debian |
| 14:52.00 | Guerin | HansZ: sound, uart401 and ad1848 |
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| 14:52.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: aww tell me if you got the photos |
| 14:52.15 | _joey | so don't need the router to have 802.11g's bandiwdth |
| 14:52.16 | Guerin | chealer: takes one to know one |
| 14:52.19 | mutombo | hm ok |
| 14:52.22 | HansZ | Guerin, Done |
| 14:52.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have to ask the guy who got married for one |
| 14:52.29 | oKtosiTe | I'm getting a lot of right-wing german spam lately, and some of the messages look like I'm sending these spam-messages out myself too. How do I find out if it's afke or real? |
| 14:52.31 | tarzeau | mutombo: because we run 150+ debian machines with additional software |
| 14:52.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: erm .. that sounds odd :) |
| 14:53.09 | CyL | bbrazil: I exactly should I do? execute mount and then echo $? ? |
| 14:53.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: what? |
| 14:53.09 | mutombo | then i try to cut the file smaller and try it all over |
| 14:53.09 | _joey | PerfDave could you recommend a small router that supports IPsec encryption instad of wep, if there's such a device :) |
| 14:53.09 | bbrazil | CyL: yip |
| 14:53.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: the married guy has pictures of the hot turkish woman .. sounds wrong :0 |
| 14:53.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's grammatically correct |
| 14:53.27 | Guerin | HansZ: and wtf, the stupid snd-opl3sa2 module ain't probed |
| 14:53.29 | Guerin | load it |
| 14:53.30 | bbrazil | oKtosiTe: they're all 'fake'. look at the headers |
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| 14:53.41 | cybernout | hi there |
| 14:53.47 | HansZ | Guerin, I did the echo snd- stuff |
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| 14:53.50 | PerfDave | _joey: I'm not aware of any. You could try getting the Linksys WRT54G or whatever it's called, installing the open Linux-based firmware on it and implementing IPSec on that, but I'm not sure how possible or easy that would be. |
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| 14:54.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know .. but he's married :) |
| 14:54.06 | HansZ | Guerin, |
| 14:54.06 | HansZ | snd-opl3sa2 |
| 14:54.06 | HansZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.11 | _joey | PerfDave could you do that ? |
| 14:54.13 | hugo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.20 | Guerin | HansZ: it's not in lsmod output, though. modprobe it. |
| 14:54.20 | cybernout | is there an way to turn on fan manually for my labtop board? |
| 14:54.22 | tarzeau | !faq hugo |
| 14:54.22 | _joey | could install linux on Linksys ? |
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| 14:54.23 | dpkg | hugo: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:54.41 | HansZ | Guerin, FATAL: Module snd_opl3a2 not found. |
| 14:54.45 | tarzeau | cybernout: depends what labtop that is |
| 14:54.51 | Guerin | HansZ: typo |
| 14:54.51 | _joey | because I was thinking to get a seperate linux box with wireless and use it as router |
| 14:54.53 | petemc | _joey: you can install openwrt, joey hess has been trying to get debian going, with some success i believe |
| 14:54.55 | cybernout | its an evo n600c |
| 14:54.57 | kozy_ | installing openwrt on a wrt54g is quite easy with the package system |
| 14:55.02 | PerfDave | _joey: It's Linux-based, IIRC |
| 14:55.02 | HansZ | Guerin, oh that's why it isn't being loaded |
| 14:55.06 | HansZ | Guerin, what's the good modulenaam? |
| 14:55.08 | PerfDave | OpenWRT, that's what I was trying to think of. |
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| 14:55.15 | Guerin | snd-opl3sa2 |
| 14:55.17 | cybernout | acpi -t give the temp |
| 14:55.23 | PerfDave | _joey: http://openwrt.org/ |
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| 14:55.28 | cybernout | so that works |
| 14:55.31 | _joey | wow |
| 14:55.35 | _joey | :) |
| 14:55.36 | cybernout | but the fan is off |
| 14:55.39 | HansZ | Guerin, erorr output in /msg |
| 14:55.41 | _joey | this is cool |
| 14:55.49 | Guerin | wtf |
| 14:56.00 | Guerin | but it probed successfully last time? |
| 14:56.07 | Aradorn | If i boot into knoppix can i recompile my debian kernel? |
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| 14:56.13 | Guerin | Aradorn: sure. |
| 14:56.17 | Aradorn | hrm... |
| 14:56.20 | HansZ | Guerin, yes |
| 14:56.25 | Guerin | Aradorn: (presuming knoppix has the requisinte tools installed) |
| 14:56.27 | tarzeau | Guerin: he didn't remove gcc yet? |
| 14:56.31 | PerfDave | Aradorn: Boot into knoppix, chroot into Debian? |
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| 14:56.45 | Aradorn | PerfDave yeah |
| 14:56.49 | tarzeau | Aradorn: i'm sure knoppix has some important tools not installed |
| 14:57.06 | Aradorn | tarzeau yeah im having to research it |
| 14:57.08 | _joey | PerfDave iptables/netfilter available ?:) |
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| 14:57.19 | tarzeau | Aradorn: good luck (poor masochist) |
| 14:57.42 | PerfDave | _joey: RTFwebsite! |
| 14:57.49 | Aradorn | tarzeau heh yeah i need it, i wish i would have just got a internal HDD now =) |
| 14:57.57 | CyL | bbrazil: shouldn't mount returns a value != 0 when it tries to mount a wrong fs type? |
| 14:58.07 | Guerin | HansZ: on a hunch, modprobe snd-cs4232 |
| 14:58.13 | PerfDave | _joey: Since it's Linux running on the WRT54G, I would expect it to have iptables support. |
| 14:58.16 | bbrazil | CyL: check the manpage, but I'd say so |
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| 14:58.37 | cybernout | any one here using an labtop? |
| 14:58.40 | kozy_ | iptables with shorewall if you like |
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| 14:58.47 | Guerin | cybernout: nope, mine's on a desk |
| 14:58.51 | cybernout | and knows how to get info on the fan |
| 14:59.01 | Guerin | HansZ: the hell I know, then. |
| 14:59.07 | mutombo | strange |
| 14:59.13 | HansZ | Guerin, ... :( |
| 14:59.19 | mutombo | i just removed the 4GB DB from the deb |
| 14:59.28 | _joey | hehe, it even includes shorewall front-end for netfilter |
| 14:59.29 | mutombo | and now it installs without problems |
| 14:59.44 | Guerin | HansZ: roll back to the working config with sound, ad1848 and mpu401 then - the oss modules. remove that snd-module from /etc/modules and blacklist it |
| 14:59.45 | _joey | okay, perfect solution for me |
| 14:59.51 | CyL | bbrazil: according to the manpage it should return 1 (quoted from the manpages: 1 incorrect invocation or permissions)... are you brazilian? |
| 14:59.52 | _joey | this channel rules:) |
| 15:00.04 | HansZ | Guerin, how to rollback :/ |
| 15:00.11 | kozy_ | go to openwrt.org and click the 'package tracker' link for all packages available |
| 15:00.21 | mutombo | seems like dpkg stops the unpacking of the data.tar.gz because it takes very long? |
| 15:01.02 | Guerin | HansZ: as I said above - change /etc/modules and the blacklist, reboot |
| 15:01.11 | Guerin | HansZ: I'm goint to bed, i have a beatiful naked woman waiting for me :) |
| 15:01.23 | HansZ | Guerin, hehe wait |
| 15:01.32 | HansZ | Guerin, what about that blacklist? |
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| 15:01.46 | Guerin | HansZ: did you blacklist sound, mpu410 and ad1848? |
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| 15:01.51 | HansZ | Guerin, No |
| 15:02.05 | Guerin | ok, just remove snd-opl3sa2 from /etc/modules |
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| 15:02.11 | Guerin | but wtf - this should work |
| 15:02.20 | CyL | How do I report a bug? |
| 15:02.31 | bbrazil | CyL: thats not an incorrect invocation or permissions - that'd be invlaid syntax or not root |
| 15:02.33 | HansZ | Guerin, ok now reboot? |
| 15:02.35 | Guerin | CyL: /msg dpkg bts ; apt-get install reportbug |
| 15:02.39 | Guerin | HansZ: yes |
| 15:02.53 | CyL | Guerin: thanks |
| 15:02.58 | nathan_ | hi, im trying to install gnome with apt, when i try to install 'gnome' 'gnome-core' in any order it gets a huge list of unmet dependencies and doesn't try and install the required packages automatically, using sarge, any ideas why it would be acting like this |
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| 15:02.59 | HansZ | Guerin, Aye, thanks for the help.. and have fun with your girl ;) |
| 15:03.05 | Guerin | :) |
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| 15:03.20 | bbrazil | CyL: 32 looks like the error for a bad FS |
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| 15:03.53 | CyL | bbrazil: it still returned me 0 |
| 15:03.59 | minra | nathan_ maybe things would work better if you used something like aptitude |
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| 15:04.36 | nathan_ | aptittude ? is that a package manager |
| 15:04.53 | CyL | bbrazil: I executed mount -t iso9660 /dev/hda1 win/ | echo $? (intentionally wrong) and got error code 0... was the syntax of the command correct? |
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| 15:05.26 | bbrazil | CyL: s/|/;/ |
| 15:05.56 | CyL | bbrazil: I'll try that |
| 15:06.10 | bbrazil | CyL: also I'm pretty sure that hda1 is not going to be iso9660 |
| 15:06.11 | PerfDave | nathan_: Have you run "apt-get update" recently? Is your apt source good? |
| 15:06.13 | Morydd | what is the correct apt source line for security updates for sid? |
| 15:06.25 | bbrazil | Morydd: there isn't one |
| 15:06.26 | PerfDave | Morydd: sid doesn't have security updates. |
| 15:06.27 | asg | Morydd: sid doesn't get security updates, only new packages |
| 15:06.54 | hugo | got the rename thing, but I still do not have a clue how to change strings in the files? |
| 15:06.55 | CyL | bbrazil: it was intentional... so I could see if I was using the right syntax... |
| 15:07.07 | nathan_ | PerfDave, ran it before i tried the install, im using the default sarge sources (uk ftp) |
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| 15:07.50 | nathan_ | gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 64) but it is not going to be installed, it goes round in circles |
| 15:07.52 | CyL | bbrazil: thabks buddy, now I got the right syntax to see the error code |
| 15:07.53 | PerfDave | nathan_: Hmm, ftp.uk.debian.org has been being a bit troublesome of late, I understand. Try using a different UK-based source? |
| 15:07.59 | bbrazil | CyL: thats good syntax though, just bad semantics |
| 15:08.10 | CyL | bbrazil: sure.... |
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| 15:08.23 | HansZ | omg my isp is doing weird look at this: |
| 15:08.29 | nathan_ | PerfDave, ill try france |
| 15:08.31 | PerfDave | nathan_: Also worth checking the BTS to see if there are any Sarge broken dependencies at the moment. |
| 15:08.32 | HansZ | While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.google.nl/ |
| 15:08.32 | HansZ | The following error was encountered: |
| 15:08.32 | HansZ | Unable to forward this request at this time. |
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| 15:08.47 | CyL | bbrazil: But mount returns 0, even if it does not mount the fs as expected... I guess this should be a bug, right? |
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| 15:09.43 | nathan_ | PerfDave, same with france :/ |
| 15:10.08 | xoz | CyL: echo $? after mount |
| 15:10.18 | bbrazil | CyL: sounds like one, you sure its not mounted? Does it give an error? |
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| 15:11.13 | CyL | bbrazil: it is mounted, but i was asked to be umask=227 and is umask=363.... |
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| 15:11.13 | hcy | i have a directory on my harddisk with a video-dvd structure in it (a video_ts dir with vob files etc in it). I want to burn it to a dvd to be able to play in a settop dvd player. How would I do that? Do I just use mkisofs like normal, and then burn the iso? or do i need to do something special for it to be a video dvd? |
| 15:11.19 | HansZ | Guerin, argh it's still messed |
| 15:11.25 | CyL | xoz: thanks buddy |
| 15:11.31 | bbrazil | CyL: -o remount,umask=227 |
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| 15:12.03 | nathan_ | if i do apt-get install gnome-panel it has a huge list of libs that it says are required but are not going to be installed, i would expect it to automatically grab all the unmet depenencies, especially when they're all gnome related, any idea why it wouldnt be working |
| 15:12.05 | CyL | bbrazil: stil umask=363 |
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| 15:12.34 | bbrazil | CyL: umount, mount |
| 15:12.36 | kjoonlee | hi :) |
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| 15:12.41 | CyL | bbrazil: I've got a very sympathetic surname buddy... (BTW, I'm brazilian ;)) |
| 15:13.04 | bbrazil | CyL: I'm Irish |
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| 15:13.13 | CyL | bbrazil: lol... |
| 15:13.21 | HansZ | Guerin, jay it wants to modprobe |
| 15:13.26 | nathan_ | gnome-panel: Depends: libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4) but it is not going to be installed ---- libbonoboui2-0 is already the newest version |
| 15:13.32 | nathan_ | i dont get whats going on |
| 15:13.35 | CyL | bbrazil: I've tried umount,mount several times, still wrong |
| 15:13.40 | HansZ | Guerin, WooW its working again |
| 15:13.44 | mckillroy | I need a little help with a Makefile: |
| 15:13.45 | mckillroy | arelist.import: $(objs) |
| 15:13.45 | mckillroy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.45 | mckillroy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.45 | mckillroy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.45 | mckillroy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:13.46 | ravenbird | -------- Making $@ ;\ |
| 15:13.46 | ravenbird | compile the ifo.xml files into arelist.import from directories: $(objs) ;\ |
| 15:13.52 | bbrazil | CyL: something in fstab? |
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| 15:14.12 | mckillroy | oops .. thought that wouldnt be too much .. sorry |
| 15:14.21 | cookiemonster | mckillroy, please use a pastbot or some such for that ;) |
| 15:14.23 | CyL | bbrazil: the line in fstab looks like /dev/hda1 /mnt/win ntfs defaults,uid=0,gid=20000,umask=227 |
| 15:14.25 | mckillroy | k. |
| 15:14.34 | bbrazil | CyL: strange, I dunno |
| 15:14.36 | mckillroy | I apologize. |
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| 15:15.07 | mckillroy | Anyway: @echo is not recognized as a command suddenly |
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| 15:15.42 | nunez | !dpkg java |
| 15:15.42 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 15:15.52 | nunez | !dpkg install java |
| 15:15.52 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto> |
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| 15:15.55 | HansZ | !dpkg mplayer |
| 15:15.55 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> |
| 15:16.07 | bdlug66 | !dpkg mplayer |
| 15:16.08 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> |
| 15:16.08 | resiak | !tell nunez -about msgdpkg |
| 15:16.19 | resiak | !tell bdlug66 -about msgdpkg |
| 15:16.23 | resiak | !tell HansZ -about msgdpkg |
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| 15:16.35 | boycer | !tell me about msgdpkg |
| 15:16.36 | nunez | resiak, thought i was gonna get it on the first try |
| 15:16.39 | HansZ | resiak, sorry :) |
| 15:17.02 | lindi- | bdlug66: can somebody please update that to mention that mplayer is already waiting in new queue at http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html ? |
| 15:17.28 | CyL | bbrazil: sorry buddy... stupid dsl provider |
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| 15:17.46 | chealer | !mplayer faq |
| 15:17.46 | dpkg | The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
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| 15:17.59 | CyL | bbrazil: did I miss anything? The last message I saw was how my fstab line looks like.... |
| 15:18.01 | chealer | lindi-: that's already mentioned there |
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| 15:18.10 | bbrazil | CyL: 'strange, I dunno' |
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| 15:18.28 | chealer | lindi-: and you can update factoids yourself |
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| 15:18.44 | CyL | bbrazil: I guess I'll report this to bug tracking system... I did everything I should have, right? |
| 15:19.20 | bbrazil | CyL: might be an idea to post it to debian-user first, I might be missing something (in the middle of studying for exams) |
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| 15:19.52 | CyL | bbrazil: okay... I'll try it... thanks a lot anyway buddy |
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| 15:20.46 | FarrisG | what is the safest way to break off a chunk of an ext3 partition to use as a separate slice? |
| 15:21.02 | resiak | FarrisG: Backup, repartition, restore. |
| 15:21.39 | trouble | does someone know a tool where I can see the load per process? |
| 15:21.42 | xoz | FarrisG: try parted |
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| 15:22.04 | xoz | but make sure you have backups |
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| 15:22.44 | resiak | trouble: top? |
| 15:22.46 | resiak | trouble: ps |
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| 15:25.10 | honschu | Hi, what Do I need to get 3d-hardware-support for my i915Gm-Chipset? I have a drm and agp and dri succsessfully loaded in kernel. i810 is loaded by X and says "(II) I810(0): [DRI] installation complete", but when I do a ... |
| 15:25.10 | honschu | 'glxinfo' I get "direct rendering: No" What to do? (I use sarge) |
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| 15:25.34 | wooden | hi |
| 15:26.00 | wooden | i build a ssh chroot login and got this error: su: pam_start: error 26 |
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| 15:26.07 | wooden | knows anyone whats to do? |
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| 15:27.23 | HansZ | wooden, |
| 15:27.38 | HansZ | wooden, here is some german thing about that error http://www.gentooforum.de/archive/5059/thread.html |
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| 15:28.59 | FlimFlamMan | in apache2, how can i permit someone to transfer (with webdav) their own .htaccess files to/from their webdav directory without turning off the general prevention of transferring .ht* files as usually configured by default? |
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| 15:30.06 | wooden | HansZ: there is answer for my question this guy gots a reboot |
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| 15:30.17 | wooden | dont think this is my problem :) |
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| 15:30.52 | HansZ | wooden, Oh ok sorry then |
| 15:31.16 | chealer | I'm reading the "Different submission addresses" part in http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting.en.html which basically seems to say to not mail submit@bugs but maintonly@bugs for minor bugs. This surprises me a bit. Does that mean one shouldn't use reportbug for these bugs? Or do I seem to be missing a nuance? |
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| 15:31.38 | HansZ | hmmz why does my isp block 'asian girls' keywords :/ |
| 15:31.44 | minra | hah |
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| 15:32.35 | asg | asg's tip of the day: don't bother with KDE or Gnome |
| 15:32.53 | priest | asg: use windows? ;) |
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| 15:34.14 | HansZ | asg, WindowMaker owns gnome/kde |
| 15:34.29 | priest | flux owns all |
| 15:34.48 | HansZ | after windowmaker |
| 15:34.56 | Delph | dinner > flux |
| 15:35.02 | synapse | plz someone tell me how to fix my /var/lib/dpkg/available file, it got killed by a power faulire (it was filled with @'s) |
| 15:35.14 | takatumi | how big would the kernel be with a pull via git/cogito? |
| 15:35.24 | caphuso | synapse: run "dselect update" |
| 15:35.26 | jasoncohen | is there a way to list a package + its dependencies that's installed? |
| 15:35.49 | vineet | synapse: you can always clobber it with /var/lib/dpkg/available-old |
| 15:35.59 | scytheman_ | jasoncohen, apt-cache show package |
| 15:36.00 | synapse | available-old was dead too :( |
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| 15:36.14 | jasoncohen | thanks scytheman_ |
| 15:36.18 | Delph | synapse: btw, those are probably ^@'s which is one common way of representing nulls in text files. |
| 15:36.20 | vineet | synapse: just dselect update then, like caphuso said |
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| 15:36.35 | asg | HansZ: fvwm, ion ... these are all good. |
| 15:36.49 | kozy | I have a fresh installation of Testing. Some strange problem, hard to describe. When I boot up, it hangs at ntop. If I dont start ntop it boots up just fine but after a while some programs hang. when this happens an I try to su at a working root prompt, it asks for a password and when I press <enter> it hangs there. ctrl+c get me back. Logging out of x hangs after taking away you desktop. And only a 'reboot -f' works. I have seen a similar problem on a |
| 15:37.00 | Aradorn | i think im going to deem usb hdd linux installs impossible... |
| 15:37.03 | kozy | dated 2002, and has to do with libc6 |
| 15:37.10 | glick | hey is there anyway in toggle-new-state mode in emacs to make it so it doesnt automatically go to the next line when i type a ';'? i am tooo used to hitting enter after a statement |
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| 15:37.18 | asg | Aradorn: installing from a usb key or to one? |
| 15:37.27 | asg | glick: #emacs? |
| 15:37.28 | kozy | it renders my system unusable...:( |
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| 15:37.35 | Aradorn | asg: not a usb key, an acutal hard drive... |
| 15:37.37 | synapse | I also have a little problem which means the man files are nonexistent, at least "man exit" or hardly any programming related manpage is missing any ideas? |
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| 15:37.45 | glick | asg, yeah i thought someone in here might know off the top of their head |
| 15:37.58 | vineet | glick: apropos electric |
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| 15:38.04 | asg | glick: never learned emacs, it was too expensive to download when I started using Linux :p |
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| 15:38.19 | glick | asg, its a nice editor for programming |
| 15:38.22 | asg | Aradorn: hmmm, okay. |
| 15:38.23 | kozy | anybody with similar problems? |
| 15:38.37 | abrotman | glick: you lie! |
| 15:38.37 | asg | glick: too used to vi now, but I have heard it has nice features. |
| 15:38.39 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 15:38.39 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 15:38.40 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:38.50 | Aradorn | asg all the usb key tuts/how-tos have you format the disk in fat16, since they are under 2gb |
| 15:38.54 | BibTeX | hello, when we type "ls" the file is given in bytes by default |
| 15:38.55 | BibTeX | ? |
| 15:38.56 | asg | abrotman: #emacs 180 control iTunes from Emacs: http://www.bese.it/~segv/osx-itunes.el |
| 15:39.17 | glick | asg, yeah im used to vi too, but i wanna learn emacs, its tuff to beat for devel |
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| 15:39.29 | asg | Aradorn: if you are only going to have linux on it, why not just use ext3? |
| 15:39.33 | greycat | BibTeX: man ls |
| 15:39.37 | vineet | BibTeX: are you looking for ls -h |
| 15:39.48 | Aradorn | its not that it wont install, its that i cant get it to boot |
| 15:40.01 | wooden | got anyone http://www.tjw.org/chroot-login-HOWTO/ worked with sarge? |
| 15:40.02 | Aradorn | 2.6 kernel dosnt load usb modules until after it mounts root |
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| 15:40.09 | BibTeX | vineet: -h gives it in a human readable format ex: 100KB or 1M |
| 15:40.21 | asg | Aradorn: then you'll need to compile a kernel with either usb in or use an initrd image. |
| 15:40.31 | BibTeX | vineet: what is the result of "ls" alone ???? is it BYTES? |
| 15:40.49 | rchr | hola |
| 15:40.53 | Aradorn | asg yeah ive got that much but i cant find how to do that while using a live-cd distro like knoppix |
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| 15:41.27 | abrotman | asg: heh |
| 15:41.28 | vineet | BibTeX: yes, bytes |
| 15:41.41 | vineet | BibTeX: (that's for ls -l, anyway) |
| 15:41.44 | puri | ¿que tal? |
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| 15:41.48 | rchr | no hay nadie k hable español? |
| 15:41.56 | asg | Aradorn: boot with knoppix, format and mount a partition on the usb drive, use debootstrap to put a debian chroot on it, compile kernel in it, install bootloader. go. |
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| 15:42.12 | ruied | 500 OOPS: vsftpd: cannot locate user specified in 'ftp_username':ftp |
| 15:42.15 | Aradorn | hrm k |
| 15:42.21 | BibTeX | vineet: when we say "gives the size by BLOCKS", a BLOCK is a byte then...... it is a variable that we could change |
| 15:42.26 | BibTeX | vineet:right? |
| 15:42.31 | ruied | what could be wrong when I try to access to my ftp |
| 15:42.33 | Aradorn | mind if bug ya while i try and do that? |
| 15:42.33 | ruied | ? |
| 15:42.33 | rchr | puri dime algo |
| 15:42.34 | greycat | ruied: man 5 passwd; grep ftp /etc/passwd |
| 15:42.43 | vineet | BibTeX: no, blocks is a filesystem measure, sometimes it's 2k |
| 15:42.52 | asg | Aradorn: I'll be on channel but can't guarantee I'll be around, I'm fighting with moron spammers today. |
| 15:42.56 | ruied | greycat: going to check... |
| 15:42.58 | petemc | ruied: well, the other day you were confused about ftp/sftp |
| 15:42.58 | Aradorn | lol k |
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| 15:43.15 | ruied | ext |
| 15:43.17 | puri | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:43.26 | Aradorn | be back in min... |
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| 15:43.29 | BibTeX | vineet: Ah !!! how could we know then? because the result is by blocks according to the "man" |
| 15:43.30 | rchr | ya t digo |
| 15:43.35 | greycat | !es |
| 15:43.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:44.00 | greycat | we need an "AOL es" factoid for that crap that rchr is spewing. |
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| 15:44.07 | ruied | petemc: yup :) |
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| 15:44.32 | greycat | unfortunately I'm nowhere near fluent enough in spanish to mangle it into AOLish. |
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| 15:46.27 | _joey | which wireless cards are best supported ? |
| 15:46.38 | directhex|work | intersil prism2 chipset |
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| 15:46.51 | eugenero | #astro |
| 15:46.52 | directhex|work | completely discontinued now, of course |
| 15:46.56 | _joey | I found two, prism54 and madifi or something :) |
| 15:47.05 | ruied | greycat: grep ftp /etc/passwd - the user doesn't seem to exist... but I have local_enable, do I need ftp in passwd? |
| 15:47.11 | directhex|work | prism54 is in the kernel, madwifi is not |
| 15:47.18 | eugenero | \join #astro |
| 15:47.31 | directhex|work | so from that perspective, psism54 is the easier option |
| 15:47.38 | cookiemonster | eugenero, ? |
| 15:47.40 | _joey | on madwifi's website authors are saying the drivers are not stable |
| 15:47.48 | pharm | madwifi is atheros based chipsets IIRC |
| 15:47.56 | rchr | muchas gracias, sr.dpkg |
| 15:47.58 | cookiemonster | eugenero, try /join |
| 15:47.58 | directhex|work | pharm, correct |
| 15:48.01 | pharm | note that prism54 usb devices aren't supported (yet) |
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| 15:48.12 | eugenero | argh!!!! how to join to other channel ? (sorry :)) |
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| 15:48.21 | directhex|work | there are a large number of wireless chipsets with gpl'd support that isn't in the kernel (e.g. ralink) |
| 15:48.35 | pharm | eugenero: errr /join ? |
| 15:48.37 | eugenero | thanks! |
| 15:48.40 | puri | lo de usted es muy grato por prestarnos atencion con lo novata que somos |
| 15:48.54 | greycat | !es |
| 15:48.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:48.56 | _joey | okay prism54 it is |
| 15:48.58 | neuonyx | can anyone tell me why when i try to create raid mirror at boot time does the installer tell me i need partitions of type 'linux raid autodetect' if that is not an option when partitioning? |
| 15:49.01 | neuonyx | WTF |
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| 15:49.24 | synapse | I also have a little problem which means the man files are nonexistent, at least "man exit" or hardly any programming related manpage works any ideas? |
| 15:49.27 | jethro | do I have to rebuild apache to have mod_rewrite on sarge? |
| 15:49.38 | pharm | neuonyx: I'm sure it was there when I last installed. Um. |
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| 15:49.42 | Delph | synapse: did you lose a large chunk of disk? |
| 15:49.54 | synapse | nope, I don't thinks so |
| 15:49.59 | jethro | not using apache2 btw |
| 15:50.03 | synapse | could hapen though |
| 15:50.14 | honschu | What Do I need to get 3d-hardware-support for my i915Gm-Chipset? I have a drm and agp and dri succsessfully loaded in kernel. i810 is loaded by X and says "(II) I810(0): [DRI] installation complete", but when I do a 'glxinfo' ... |
| 15:50.14 | honschu | I get "direct rendering: No" What to do? (I use sarge) |
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| 15:50.26 | synapse | but there are no problems in other fields |
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| 15:51.08 | neuonyx | pharm: its definately not |
| 15:51.12 | karamelos | "apt-get update" vs "dselect update" which one is better? |
| 15:51.13 | neuonyx | im using latest sarge release |
| 15:51.15 | pharm | honschu: I think i915G is only supported in the bleeding edge dri CVS |
| 15:51.19 | jethro | !polls |
| 15:51.19 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 15:51.43 | honschu | pharm: 2.6.12-rc4.honschu-m7 |
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| 15:52.31 | honschu | pharm: DRI is in the kernel |
| 15:52.38 | _joey | what's cardbus ?:0 |
| 15:52.41 | pharm | honschu: No, not the kernel sources. See http://dri.freedesktop.org/ if you really want to get into it. |
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| 15:52.49 | zimnyx | hi |
| 15:52.52 | zimnyx | i uploaded a file '?' using FTP. i can't delete it using any ftp client, any tips? |
| 15:52.52 | _joey | I know it's interface but I haven't seen one yet |
| 15:52.54 | zimnyx | i will upload a php script that will do rm -fr, it you got no other method |
| 15:52.57 | honschu | pharm: I know this site |
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| 15:53.15 | pharm | honschu: You need a newer mesa and glx layer as well as the kernel module -- the kernel module isn't enough. |
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| 15:53.33 | pharm | honschu: which means installing X.org |
| 15:53.34 | honschu | pharm: ah - ok, Do I also need a newer XFree? |
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| 15:53.51 | pharm | honschu: IOW, not for the fainthearted & not supported by Debian (yet). |
| 15:54.10 | honschu | pharm: IOW, what does that mean? |
| 15:54.20 | pharm | honschu: IOW == In Other Words |
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| 15:54.59 | alexandre | hi |
| 15:55.06 | synapse | which manpages are generally the programming-related ones? |
| 15:55.07 | honschu | Another question, parport0 isn't generated by udev when parport_pc is loaded - but sane needs it - I think this is a bug. Should I file a bug? |
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| 15:55.32 | alexandre | i'm looking for a good gnome IRC client (not xchat) |
| 15:55.37 | asg | alexandre: irssi-text |
| 15:55.44 | asg | alexandre: in gnome-terminal, of course |
| 15:55.45 | pharm | honschu: You could try the packages at "deb http://www.nixnuts.net/files ./" (add that as an apt source) which are a dri + X.org snapshot as Debian packages from a few months ago. May or may not support 915G though. |
| 15:55.46 | karamelos | "dselect update" does more than "apt-get update"? |
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| 15:55.57 | thingfish | alexandre: gaim is nice. |
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| 15:56.12 | resiak | thingfish: For IRC?! |
| 15:56.16 | double_c | alexandre: or irssi-gtk |
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| 15:56.28 | thingfish | resiak: sure, why not? |
| 15:56.45 | pureone | gaims not good for irc its just odd |
| 15:57.12 | entheon | howdie biznuts |
| 15:57.25 | pharm | honschu: it's lp0 under udev isn't it? |
| 15:57.44 | alexandre | testing gaim... |
| 15:57.47 | resiak | thingfish: Eeew. |
| 15:57.48 | pharm | I don't have a /dev/parport0, but printing to the parallel port via cups works fine for me... |
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| 15:58.01 | hcy | how do i make a dvd-video image, to burn to a dvd? |
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| 15:58.06 | resiak | thingfish: Don't get me wrong, I love Gaim, but .. it's horribubble for IRC :) |
| 15:58.10 | honschu | pharm: lp0 is loaded when module lp is there. Yes, for a printer you need lp0 - but for a scanner parport0 |
| 15:58.40 | honschu | So I have to create a parport0 every time the system is booting. |
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| 15:58.56 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 15:59.12 | simonrvn | 2 options: don't use udev; edit some file in /etc/udev |
| 15:59.23 | synapse | guys do you have an exit man? |
| 15:59.31 | synapse | I mean man exit works for you? |
| 15:59.34 | wooden | i build a ssh chroot login and got this error: su: pam_start: error 26 |
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| 15:59.52 | pharm | honschu: If it's not in /proc/devices you'll be a bit stuffed... |
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| 16:00.06 | simonrvn | synapse: see man bash |
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| 16:00.36 | greycat | synapse: are you talking about the exit command in bash, or the exit() function in C? |
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| 16:00.44 | synapse | exit() |
| 16:00.48 | synapse | function in c |
| 16:00.50 | greycat | synapse: apt-get install manpages-dev |
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| 16:01.44 | honschu | pharm: mhm, but sane needs a parport0 insted of a lp0 device-file. |
| 16:01.51 | synapse | thanks greycat you saved me :) |
| 16:01.53 | solemnwarning | how can i save iptables under deb sarge? |
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| 16:02.02 | asg | solemnwarning: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README* |
| 16:02.12 | solemnwarning | iptables-save says it worked ok but after reboot the rules are gone |
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| 16:02.20 | K_Dallas | Hi_guys! Could anyone !tell me about Debian and fonts? I recall having seen a link with pretty nice guidelines here a while back. Thanks |
| 16:02.21 | solemnwarning | and /etc/init.d/iptables dont exist |
| 16:02.27 | asg | K_Dallas: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 16:02.31 | solemnwarning | this is on all of my deb systems |
| 16:02.35 | K_Dallas | asg thanks you |
| 16:02.40 | asg | solemnwarning: read the README, for the explanation of *why* it is gone. |
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| 16:03.17 | d3us | hi jest ktos z polski ? |
| 16:03.18 | pharm | honschu: weird: making the device works for you, even though it isn't in /proc/devices? |
| 16:03.20 | solemnwarning | -bash: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz: cannot execute binary file |
| 16:03.31 | asg | solemnwarning: zless foo |
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| 16:03.36 | solemnwarning | ? |
| 16:04.12 | greycat | solemnwarning: don't run documentation. |
| 16:04.30 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 16:04.58 | solemnwarning | a load of scrambled text in file..... |
| 16:05.00 | honschu | pharm: no, it's not in /proc/devices |
| 16:05.05 | asg | solemnwarning: zless foo |
| 16:05.05 | greycat | solemnwarning: zless |
| 16:05.10 | solemnwarning | ????? |
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| 16:05.27 | solemnwarning | the annoying bit of deb is having to redo iptables after reboot...# |
| 16:05.28 | asg | solemnwarning: zless /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
| 16:05.28 | pureone | zless /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
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| 16:05.54 | asg | solemnwarning: it's perfectly simple when you read the available documentation like you are supposed to. |
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| 16:06.06 | bobesponja | i just bought linksys LNE100TX ethernet card, what kernel driver do i need to compile to make it work? |
| 16:06.20 | EdibleText | !lne100tx |
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| 16:07.08 | greycat | EdibleText: tulip. |
| 16:07.36 | greycat | (a *recent* tulip.o, not an old 2.2.13 one) |
| 16:07.52 | EdibleText | I thought there was a nasty linksys card with sketchy support |
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| 16:08.08 | EdibleText | I thought that that was the one.. *shrugs* |
| 16:08.11 | greycat | there are actually more than one chipset marketed under the label "LNT100TX". |
| 16:08.22 | greycat | LNE, even. |
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| 16:09.45 | HansZ | How to unmute soundcards? |
| 16:09.48 | HansZ | with OSS |
| 16:09.51 | asg | HansZ: aumix |
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| 16:09.56 | HansZ | asg, Thanks |
| 16:10.02 | solemnwarning | it says to make my own init script |
| 16:10.13 | solemnwarning | what was wrong with /etc/init.d/iptables <_< |
| 16:10.29 | asg | solemnwarning: the maintainer decided that was stupid. |
| 16:10.34 | solemnwarning | u know, the 1 u could save, stop, start, restart iptables with? |
| 16:10.47 | solemnwarning | maintainer of.....? |
| 16:10.48 | asg | solemnwarning: better to use pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces to load things with iptables-restore |
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| 16:10.54 | asg | solemnwarning: the debian package. |
| 16:11.06 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 16:11.11 | solemnwarning | why was it stupid?? |
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| 16:11.28 | asg | solemnwarning: because you can drop your iptables independantly of your interfaces leaving them unsecured. |
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| 16:11.46 | HansZ | asg, aumix is great, thanks! |
| 16:11.59 | Hmmhesays | anyone using a 3ware 7506 raid 5 controller with debian? |
| 16:12.01 | asg | solemnwarning: the old init script is in the examples directory if you feel you'd rather do that though. |
| 16:12.02 | DebianTestr | Can someone guide me to a document that tells how to prevent outgoing mail from local_domains that do not have a return-path address of something out of the domain? |
| 16:12.03 | solemnwarning | iptables-restore aint doing anyting |
| 16:12.16 | solemnwarning | it just freezes till u hit ctrl+c |
| 16:12.26 | Cal[]John | i've just started with linux, and i cant get dpkg to work, and I think there's something afoot in the filesystem mounting. how do i check this? |
| 16:12.27 | DebianTestr | Can someone guide me to a document that tells how to prevent outgoing mail from local_domains that do not have a return-path address of something IN THE DOMAIN sorry |
| 16:12.28 | asg | solemnwarning: read the manpage for it |
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| 16:12.43 | solemnwarning | name of manpage? |
| 16:12.43 | jasoncohen | is anyone here using KDE 3.4? |
| 16:12.58 | asg | solemnwarning: by a strange coincidence, iptables-restore |
| 16:13.02 | Hmmhesays | i'm curious if it works alright |
| 16:13.07 | jasoncohen | for some reason the option to shadow icon text doesn't seem to work. I want to know if anyone else is seeing this |
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| 16:14.19 | solemnwarning | how can i get init.d/iptables and set it up? |
| 16:14.29 | solemnwarning | ive never done anything to an init system b4 |
| 16:15.33 | solemnwarning | asg? |
| 16:15.50 | Disputin | try shorewall |
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| 16:15.58 | solemnwarning | ? |
| 16:16.08 | chealer | jasoncohen: ask #debian-kde |
| 16:16.10 | asg | solemnwarning: 1) put rules in /etc/iptables/active (or /var/lib/iptables/active) 2) put pre-up /sbin/iptables-restore /etc/iptables/active or pre-up /sbin/iptables-restore /var/lib/iptables/active in the interface definition in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 16:16.11 | solemnwarning | they called the init script shorewall? |
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| 16:16.21 | Disputin | apt-get install shorewall |
| 16:16.22 | maxxle | Is there a document where I can read something about how sarge handles modules? Information about "modutils modconf modprobe lsmod /etc/modules.conf /etc/modprobe.d" and so on should be covered |
| 16:16.27 | Disputin | very kewl script to set up iptables |
| 16:16.33 | jasoncohen | chealer, i'm talking in #debian-kde now. it might be a bug |
| 16:16.36 | cookiemonster | which developer quit |
| 16:16.38 | asg | Disputin: he can't understand zless, do you honestly think he'll be able to understand shorewall? |
| 16:16.43 | cookiemonster | (shorewall) |
| 16:16.53 | jasoncohen | that's why i'm asking here hoping others have tried 3.4 |
| 16:17.02 | solemnwarning | im on 3.3_fc3 |
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| 16:17.17 | Disputin | well he certainly won't undertand iptables. |
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| 16:17.41 | solemnwarning | is it just me or does deb make a few stupid descisions? |
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| 16:17.48 | solemnwarning | like no init.d/iptables |
| 16:18.05 | simonrvn | jasoncohen: that's what you get if you install potentially broken stuff. a) you're a guinea^wtester b) get to keep both pieces |
| 16:18.13 | HansZ | Does anyone know a player that supports streaming? |
| 16:18.21 | HansZ | (music) |
| 16:18.24 | abrotman | !helix-player |
| 16:18.24 | dpkg | i guess helix player is the Helix Community's GTK2-based open source media player, in Sid and Sarge. apt-get install helix-player or https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/ |
| 16:18.27 | abrotman | and xmms |
| 16:18.27 | HansZ | Without any X interface |
| 16:18.27 | simonrvn | jasoncohen: and expected to file bug reports |
| 16:18.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:18.34 | abrotman | nfc |
| 16:18.40 | HansZ | nfc ? |
| 16:18.42 | HansZ | !nfc |
| 16:18.42 | dpkg | nfc is probably No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 16:18.43 | abrotman | !nfc |
| 16:18.48 | HansZ | :> |
| 16:18.48 | Delph | HansZ: wget, | , and mpg123 ? |
| 16:18.56 | jasoncohen | simonrvn, i just installed juk from 3.4 |
| 16:18.57 | chealer | jasoncohen: there's already a channel specific for what you want. additionnally, it's not usual to get help with experimental or unofficially experimental packages here. use testing if you don't want to break your system |
| 16:19.02 | HansZ | Delph, hmm... your good |
| 16:19.04 | jasoncohen | it took down the kde libs |
| 16:19.05 | Delph | HansZ: plus or minus nice scripts =:/ |
| 16:19.18 | HansZ | Delph, I know what your trying to say |
| 16:19.40 | solemnwarning | !/etc/init.d/iptable |
| 16:19.43 | solemnwarning | !/etc/init.d/iptables |
| 16:19.48 | Delph | no idea if it actually works, with the metadata they put in the top of streams. |
| 16:19.54 | solemnwarning | !iptables-save |
| 16:20.06 | solemnwarning | !iptables* |
| 16:20.07 | HansZ | Delph, that's only in the beginning.. i think it works |
| 16:20.10 | solemnwarning | !iptables |
| 16:20.10 | dpkg | hmm... iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.samba.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
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| 16:21.01 | chealer | !msg the bot |
| 16:21.01 | dpkg | talk to the bot in msg or our trained attack dogs will bite your genitalia off |
| 16:21.02 | jasoncohen | chealer, sorry |
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| 16:21.17 | chealer | solemnwarning: note the *genitalia* part |
| 16:21.23 | solemnwarning | <_< |
| 16:21.32 | chealer | !tell solemnwarning about listkeys genitalia |
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| 16:21.46 | pharm | Random question. My KDE install seems to have lost the file associations -- you can't click on a kwd document and have kword open it. Weirdly, it still knows it's a kword document, it just has no idea which app to open it with. If you tell it, it doesn't remember either. However it can open abiword documents with abiword! (This almost certainly because I've installed gnome from experimental, but if anyone knows which bit of kde to prod I'd be grateful |
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| 16:22.28 | chealer | pharm: ask #debian-kde |
| 16:22.50 | K_Dallas | Why is that whenever I need something for Debian, google tends to send me to the wrong places? Could anyone pls let me know how to get into experimental section of repository? (I am in firm beleive that debian homepage needs a real shaking ;) |
| 16:23.08 | pharm | chealer: k. |
| 16:23.12 | solemnwarning | the 2 things that deb should change: |
| 16:23.15 | simonrvn | no, just lacking google-fu |
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| 16:23.34 | chealer | !tell K_Dallas about iyhtays |
| 16:23.34 | solemnwarning | 1. include /etc/init.d/iptables (VERY IMPORTANT FILE!!! >.<) |
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| 16:23.45 | solemnwarning | 2. include rpm perhaps? |
| 16:23.49 | lexxan | koefz, How do you get a host like that |
| 16:23.52 | solemnwarning | other then that deb rules :) |
| 16:23.57 | simonrvn | solemnwarning: /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 16:24.11 | K_Dallas | chealer, what is that supposed to mean? |
| 16:24.34 | simonrvn | wtf would debian include an rpm? |
| 16:24.50 | solemnwarning | to use rpms? |
| 16:24.58 | solemnwarning | cos alian dont always work <_< |
| 16:25.04 | simonrvn | that's utter nonsense |
| 16:25.05 | HansZ | Delph, doesn't work.. |
| 16:25.06 | koefz | lexxan, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks |
| 16:25.12 | Delph | HansZ: i noticed =:/ |
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| 16:25.22 | HansZ | Delph, any other alternatives? |
| 16:25.34 | Delph | HansZ: none that I can think of off the top of my head |
| 16:25.39 | chealer | K_Dallas: that means people usually won't help you break your system if you don't show you can deal with that. if you'd know how to deal with that, you should know how to get experimental packages without instructions |
| 16:25.42 | HansZ | Delph, what about cplay? |
| 16:25.44 | Delph | Ferret: *prod* |
| 16:25.54 | Delph | HansZ: wait for him to wake up and then ask him =:) |
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| 16:26.14 | Delph | he runs his life from a console |
| 16:26.17 | HansZ | Delph, okay :D |
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| 16:26.30 | theocrite | Hi. |
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| 16:26.40 | theocrite | How can I find the root user of a mysql server ? I would like not to change it as services as sympa, phpmyadmin and maybe others may use it... |
| 16:26.50 | K_Dallas | chealer, it is not really logical to think one knows anyone's intentions or ..., i need it because i was told to use it on one occasion which worked just fine but now i am looking at debian package page and do not see experimental |
| 16:27.07 | simonrvn | on purpose |
| 16:27.22 | K_Dallas | i do not pretend to be anything but me yet tetex3.0 is only available in experimental and that is what i am looking for |
| 16:27.56 | wooden | ls: relocation error: /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0: symbol _errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 16:28.01 | wooden | whats needed? |
| 16:28.17 | ruede | hi all |
| 16:28.31 | K_Dallas | chealer, so are you going to give me the link for experimental site or i have to rely on google ? ;) |
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| 16:29.01 | Spec | Has anyone here used (bigbrother) - bb1.9e? |
| 16:29.38 | chealer | K_Dallas: there's no experimental site. use pdo |
| 16:29.48 | K_Dallas | wierd! packages.debian.org/experimental ! |
| 16:30.27 | K_Dallas | from pdo there is no link to experimental branch or my mozilla is playing tricks on me |
| 16:30.57 | Delph | K_Dallas: this is because only the people who should use experimental know about it, and they find out in other ways. |
| 16:31.09 | chealer | K_Dallas: there is however a "Warning: The experimental distribution contains software that is likely unstable or buggy and may even cause data loss. If you ignore this warning and install it nevertheless, you do it on your own risk." |
| 16:31.11 | K_Dallas | like asking here :) |
| 16:31.30 | K_Dallas | i know as i said i have already installed tetex3 once on sarge and it went all right |
| 16:31.34 | Delph | K_Dallas: you can have no complaints if the packaging code includes rm -rf / |
| 16:32.01 | K_Dallas | :) ok why are you trying to make it scarier than what it is? |
| 16:32.04 | Gathond | K_Dallas: that does not mean the current experimental tetex3 package is not horribly broken |
| 16:32.10 | clojster | Where can I find CONFIG_RTNETLINK in kernel-source-2.6.8 ? I need to check it on because of iproute2, but I just can't find it anywhere |
| 16:32.28 | Gathond | K_Dallas: a bug like that have occured in package removal scripts (or one to that effect) |
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| 16:32.37 | K_Dallas | i see |
| 16:32.57 | swatikiss | sometimes when i play dvds - (when my computer has been running for a long time) - the video is choppy during motion - what might be causing this ? |
| 16:33.01 | K_Dallas | well my system is fresh and even if deletes everything still i am losing just 2 hours of installation |
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| 16:33.04 | JohnFlux | Hey all |
| 16:33.08 | Gathond | K_Dallas: but it will probably work, just dont come back bitching here if it does not :) |
| 16:33.11 | K_Dallas | but thanks for the warnings |
| 16:33.16 | HansZ | !rn-mpeg |
| 16:33.24 | JohnFlux | to use ssh keys, i generate the key on the client, then copy the public key to the server .ssh/authorized_hosts right? |
| 16:33.46 | K_Dallas | Gathond, have i ever done that? |
| 16:33.46 | HansZ | !mpeg |
| 16:33.46 | dpkg | i heard mpeg is (Moving Pictures Expert Group) This is a format for compressing video in a format similar to JPEG. It works. or some formats to compress sounds and motion pictures, or playable with gtv or mplayer, or only similar to jpeg in the same sense that cheese is similar to pesco sauce |
| 16:33.47 | Gathond | K_Dallas: no idea |
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| 16:34.08 | luulis | swatikiss: something is eating resources? use top next time to see if thats the case |
| 16:34.17 | K_Dallas | well so dont be rude if it is not called for and since you are high ranked here, please take no offense on that |
| 16:34.32 | spoopin | JohnFlux: authorized_keys, actually |
| 16:34.44 | solemnwarning | init.d/iptables done |
| 16:34.49 | solemnwarning | much better now :D |
| 16:34.51 | simonrvn | "high ranked"? wtf does that mean? |
| 16:34.57 | swatikiss | luulis, ok, thanks - what would i look for in top ? |
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| 16:35.03 | K_Dallas | arent you an op or something |
| 16:35.10 | K_Dallas | let me check ;) |
| 16:35.22 | Gathond | K_Dallas: high ranked? ... Im not high ranked, and it was not meant to be rude, just stating a fact |
| 16:35.23 | K_Dallas | well my bad ;) |
| 16:35.48 | Gathond | K_Dallas: i might be an op ... but then someone forgot to inform me of the fact:) |
| 16:35.54 | K_Dallas | ok let's move on, i am going to install it and see if it messes things up |
| 16:35.57 | Gathond | anyway, of for home |
| 16:36.06 | luulis | swatikiss: top displays how much % CPU and mem are programs using, if theres something eating a lot CPU for no apparent reason, try killing it |
| 16:36.21 | swatikiss | luulis, ok, thanks |
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| 16:39.38 | HansZ | !mplayer |
| 16:39.38 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> |
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| 16:40.20 | HansZ | !xine |
| 16:40.20 | dpkg | methinks xine is a DVD,VCD,MPEG (divX also possible) player for Linux. http://xine.sourceforge.net or just apt-get install xine-ui xine-lib. Also at #xine.. You can get a "complete" version of xine with a DeCSS plugin at http://gape.ist.utl.pt/ment00/linuxdvd.html, or to get sound set the goto advanced settings and set the sound driver form null to what ever you use. see xine-ui KDE users, check out 'kaffeine', or but xine needs a -cache ... |
| 16:40.28 | streuner___ | !tell Jester about away |
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| 16:40.56 | Jester | woops sry |
| 16:41.01 | Jester | new script |
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| 16:41.33 | wooden | ha my chroot works :> |
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| 16:41.42 | wooden | <jumping> |
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| 16:41.57 | Rawplayer | wooden: username/password plz |
| 16:41.58 | carbon60 | This may sound dumb: where can I find out when a system has been rebooted over the last month? |
| 16:42.03 | wooden | Rawplayer: hehehe, lol |
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| 16:42.08 | Rawplayer | :p |
| 16:42.16 | swatikiss | carbon60, uptime |
| 16:42.23 | mngrif | yay, back to debian |
| 16:42.23 | swatikiss | ? |
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| 16:42.51 | carbon60 | swatikiss: I want to know *over the last month*. |
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| 16:43.34 | carbon60 | In other words, the current uptime on this box isn't what I expect. So i want to see if there have been any other reboots. |
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| 16:43.45 | pureone | check "last" |
| 16:43.57 | carbon60 | pureone: Doesn't have enough history. |
| 16:43.59 | mngrif | carbon60: /var/log/messages tells you each time the logger has been restarted |
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| 16:44.24 | carbon60 | mngrif: I notice that, syslogd only restarts at boot? |
| 16:44.33 | Spec | so, err, i installed bigbrother on to two different servers with rougly the same hardware (one is scsi, one is ide though), and one of the servers i just got done restoring due to a weird flaw where 'ps' would sig17, and 'df' would segfault(sig11), and now my -other- server is doing the same damn thing |
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| 16:44.46 | mngrif | carbon60: unless it's been updated or someone's doing something they shouldn't |
| 16:44.51 | mngrif | carbon60: it's only on boot |
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| 16:45.18 | simonrvn | oi vey, so it's not just me |
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| 16:45.34 | Spec | i'm not sure if it's related to bigbrother or not, but the servers ran for 4-5 days just fine and the only change I've done is add/configure bigbrother |
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| 16:46.16 | carbon60 | mngrif: I think syslogd restarts as part of daily. |
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| 16:46.36 | simonrvn | yes. logrotate |
| 16:46.38 | mngrif | carbon60: hm. maybe to backup the log files |
| 16:46.40 | StFS | hello. how do I change the permission for /dev/nvram permanently? I've tried "chmod 664 /dev/nvram" and I've also tried "rm /dev/nvram ; mknod --mode=664 /dev/nvram c 10 144" but that always gets reset after a reboot |
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| 16:46.47 | carbon60 | Probably. |
| 16:46.57 | simonrvn | 12:46 simonrvn : yes. logrotate |
| 16:47.01 | mngrif | hey, how do i change what time daily starts? i'm often up at 3 AM.... |
| 16:47.22 | simonrvn | /etc/crontab |
| 16:48.00 | carbon60 | simonrvn: You know a way to tell how often a system has been rebooted in the last month? |
| 16:48.27 | simonrvn | last is ok. should mention 'reboot' or similar |
| 16:48.27 | Spec | i don't understand why 'df' is segfaulting and 'ps' is seg17-ing :( |
| 16:48.37 | LSorensen | carbon60: grep the logs for e820 ro whatever the first output from a boot is |
| 16:49.13 | simonrvn | or one of the *tmp files in /var/log/ |
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| 16:49.13 | simonrvn | seg17 ? |
| 16:49.13 | Spec | sig17 |
| 16:49.13 | simonrvn | oh :) |
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| 16:49.16 | Spec | :) |
| 16:49.17 | carbon60 | Duh. For some reason I was reading the output to mean that the wtmp file didn't have the old data. |
| 16:49.35 | simonrvn | @comfort carbon60 |
| 16:49.37 | ravenbird | There, there, carbon60. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 16:49.52 | simonrvn | carbon60: is it ok if i call you bucky? |
| 16:50.02 | carbon60 | Heh. |
| 16:50.08 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 16:50.09 | EdibleText | !bucky |
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| 16:50.31 | simonrvn | !listkeys bucky |
| 16:50.33 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bucky' by key returned no results. |
| 16:50.36 | jazzmans | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.49 | jethro | man <cmdline bittorent client you use> |
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| 16:51.07 | sypher | hey guys, a simple question ... i want to install Azureus but it tells me he needs the java debian package ... |
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| 16:51.15 | sypher | any clue on where i can find that java deb package? |
| 16:51.28 | EdibleText | !tell sypher about java install |
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| 16:51.30 | jethro | sypher: /m dpkg install java |
| 16:51.42 | Spec | this is craziness |
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| 16:51.54 | Spec | when 'ps' doesn't give a sig17, the output is mindboggling |
| 16:51.57 | simonrvn | nah, just slightly mental |
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| 16:52.29 | simonrvn | bad ram? drive needs fsck? kernel oopsing? |
| 16:52.30 | SquireCD | Hey guys... I've gotta quick easy question about duel booting... I've got a laptop that's running WinXP and Debian. I need reinstall WinXP... but I'm worried this is going to screw my MBR and grub won't work... Will I be locked out of my Debian partition? Thanks guys. |
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| 16:52.35 | ruede | any tips about the "ioctl: Loop_set_status: Invalid argument" ? |
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| 16:53.12 | sypher | EdibleText, thanks |
| 16:53.21 | mngrif | simonrvn: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 to automaticaly go from 2.4 to 2.6, right? |
| 16:53.26 | Spec | same exact problems as a different server though |
| 16:53.36 | Spec | two different sets of hardware, same software (same set up, etc) |
| 16:53.54 | moi | hello, i just installed apache-common and i'm wondering where the folder structur is? it only installed me an index.html into /var/www, no cgi-bin dir around or something similar.. then i tried to create it myself /var/www/cgi-bin/ and get (whatever permissions that dir has) 403 forbidden |
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| 16:54.09 | mngrif | SquireCD: yeah, probably... but just boot from a livecd or whatever and chroot to your debian install and re-run grub. |
| 16:54.28 | simonrvn | mngrif: install the correct one for the machine. that - if it works - might just install some generic one |
| 16:54.33 | greycat | moi: look at /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
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| 16:54.43 | SquireCD | mngrif: ah jeez... i dunno how to do that |
| 16:54.52 | rob_sleep | moi: dpkg -L apache-common |
| 16:54.57 | mngrif | simonrvn: cool :) don't need to mess with udev or anything? |
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| 16:55.12 | si|vercat | does hp psc1350 work? |
| 16:55.15 | si|vercat | in debian |
| 16:55.17 | moi | greycat: should i ln -s /usr/lib/cgi-bin /var/www/cgi-bin ? |
| 16:55.29 | simonrvn | mngrif: i'd double check your bootloader conf to make sure it has the right settings |
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| 16:55.37 | greycat | moi: now would be an excellent time for you to grep cgi-bin /etc/apache/*.conf |
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| 16:58.44 | mngrif | *reboots* |
| 16:58.46 | moi | greycat: so it's recommend to leave cgi-bin dir in /usr/local?! |
| 16:58.58 | greycat | moi: stop taking drugs. |
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| 16:59.13 | moi | hmm |
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| 17:00.20 | moi | i don't understand why this changed, nor why its in /usr/local now *confused* |
| 17:00.24 | BucWheat | hey gang what is the proper way to build kernel ? i want to add splash screen with progress bar to my box to mask the bootup process |
| 17:00.31 | chealer | si|vercat: most likely, check google |
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| 17:00.55 | chealer | !tell BucWheat about kp |
| 17:00.58 | rob_lt | BucWheat: just google for debian custom kernel |
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| 17:02.15 | BucWheat | rob_lt k |
| 17:02.22 | BucWheat | chealer thanks |
| 17:02.36 | si|vercat | chealer: do you know anything about the scanning part? |
| 17:02.57 | cplx | -_- |
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| 17:03.38 | chealer | si|vercat: I don't know anything more than what's on http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/hplip_readme.html |
| 17:04.02 | chealer | except if it's similar to my 1315. in this case it should work allright |
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| 17:05.17 | larsrohdin | whats the dsl channel named |
| 17:05.37 | PerfDave | BucWheat: /msg dpkg bootsplash |
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| 17:06.33 | simonrvn | mngrif: make sure to include module-init-tools |
| 17:06.50 | Hans_ | How to stop the Xserver? |
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| 17:07.49 | Hans_ | !noxdm |
| 17:07.54 | Hans_ | !xdm |
| 17:07.55 | dpkg | somebody said xdm was the X windows login screen you might see every time you boot up. If you don't like it and want to just boot into console mode, you can read /usr/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ for a full explanation, or just 'dpkg --purge xdm', or 'apt-get remove xdm' (yes it's safe to remove task-x-*) |
| 17:08.26 | simonrvn | that's the dm, not the xserver itself. /etc/init.d/*dm stop |
| 17:08.29 | abrotman | !tell Hans_ about nodm |
| 17:08.51 | Hans_ | abrotman, already fixed.. thanks anway |
| 17:08.54 | abrotman | ok |
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| 17:10.06 | K_Dallas | what package does provide this: X... configure: error: Can't find X includes ? thanks |
| 17:10.15 | K_Dallas | nothingunder xfree86 |
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| 17:10.39 | asg | spoopin: good show on the LCTS |
| 17:10.51 | cookiemonster | K_Dallas, i would assume x-window-system-dev |
| 17:10.51 | jethro | K_Dallas: try xlibs-dev |
| 17:11.03 | K_Dallas | thanks guys |
| 17:11.10 | spoopin | asg: yeah.. he thought I already had it. |
| 17:11.20 | cookiemonster | jethro, you mean xlibs-static-dev ? |
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| 17:11.26 | K_Dallas | is it part of build-essentials by any chance? |
| 17:11.27 | asg | spoopin: no, I have one cassette tape out of the set but it is old and crusty. |
| 17:11.39 | spoopin | asg: did you get it already? |
| 17:11.46 | asg | spoopin: no, but I will |
| 17:12.01 | jshriver | greetings, anyone know what would cause modprobe to give the error "Invalid module format"? |
| 17:12.12 | jshriver | all I did was make modules, make modules_install |
| 17:12.13 | PerfDave | !wayc K_Dallas |
| 17:12.13 | dpkg | K_Dallas: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 17:12.19 | spoopin | asg: funny aside. I made an account on the website for yandle the other night |
| 17:12.49 | spoopin | asg: he's been looking at the pics Ty sent pretty much exclusively |
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| 17:13.01 | tabris|away | jshriver: you probably have the wrong modutils installed, and are trying to compile a 2.4 kernel with a modutils only supporting 2.6, or (more likely) vice versa. |
| 17:13.04 | PerfDave | K_Dallas: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 17:13.06 | K_Dallas | PerfDave, i have a package to install which not on the repos so i need to compile, i had done it before and worked just fine |
| 17:13.20 | jshriver | tabris|away: I'm compiling a 2.6.11.6 kernel |
| 17:13.30 | jshriver | have not idea about modutils |
| 17:13.35 | K_Dallas | PerfDave, thanks very much |
| 17:13.36 | jshriver | but I add modules support in the kernel |
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| 17:14.16 | lexxan | does anyone know if Intel PRO Wireless 2200 b/g wireless card is supported? |
| 17:14.17 | asg | spoopin: haha |
| 17:14.25 | jshriver | hrm this is what I get from dpkg -l modutils |
| 17:14.26 | jshriver | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.43 | spoopin | asg: my Dad did the same thing |
| 17:14.43 | abrotman | module-init-tools |
| 17:14.50 | asg | spoopin: yeah, I think everyone does |
| 17:14.51 | abrotman | use a debian packaged kernel |
| 17:14.56 | jshriver | I add added those too |
| 17:15.16 | jshriver | I also have this installed |
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| 17:15.26 | jshriver | module-init-to 3.2-pre1-2 tools for managing Linux kernel modules |
| 17:15.45 | jshriver | abrotman: can't use a vanilla kernel... I have a couple weird drivers that aren't part of the source tree |
| 17:15.55 | abrotman | jshriver: like ? |
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| 17:15.59 | jshriver | v3tv |
| 17:16.32 | chealer | does bash use readline or something similar? I have a folder with a "special" character and when I cd into it and type, a part of the prompt moves left as I'm typing. where should I look for the cause of the problem? |
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| 17:16.36 | kmalloc | hello! |
| 17:16.45 | Dsls | hi |
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| 17:16.59 | kmalloc | I have problem with amanda, anyone could help-me? |
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| 17:17.20 | asg | kmalloc: have you asked in #amanda yet? |
| 17:17.29 | j_k | chealer: bash does use readline. Probably your pathname contains an escape sequence interpreted by your terminal. |
| 17:17.41 | asg | jshriver: the latter is a newer implementation |
| 17:17.42 | abrotman | !module-init-tools |
| 17:17.42 | dpkg | it has been said that module-init-tools is needed when using a 2.6.x series kernel instead of modconf |
| 17:17.42 | diesel | If a package depends on libssl does that mean that the package (in this case, vsftpd) has SSL support built in? |
| 17:17.55 | jshriver | chealer: thanks for the help the other day :) was able to get the video capture, video out and even the FM tuner working ;) |
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| 17:18.13 | chealer | jshriver: cool :) |
| 17:18.20 | j_k | shouldn't it be "instead of modutils" ? |
| 17:18.32 | jshriver | chealer: funny the whole proble was the -p0 rather than -p1 ;) |
| 17:18.47 | chrisjoen | diesel: if it had support actually BUILT in, it wouldn't have to depend in the package, right? I'd say it has linked-in support :) |
| 17:18.49 | jshriver | how do you insmod with module-init-tools then |
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| 17:18.59 | PerfDave | jshriver: use modprobe |
| 17:19.08 | jshriver | that's what I'm using and gives me that error hrm.. |
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| 17:19.28 | abrotman | !insmod |
| 17:19.28 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 17:19.40 | jshriver | seems I have both installed.. but I also switch from 2 kernels often... |
| 17:19.47 | SavannahLion | I'm trying to create a .so file, but I found that it's not recommended to use rpath (from libtool) on Debian. Unfortunately, I can't find information on how to create the .so, then copy it to the appropriate location for Debian, short of creating a shell script. |
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| 17:20.05 | chealer | j_k: I'm not sure which sequence it would be. The character in question renders as a square "with 45 degrees rotation" |
| 17:20.13 | jshriver | aye... modprobe is giving me "invalid module format" |
| 17:20.24 | SavannahLion | any pointers to a site that could give me a clue? |
| 17:20.35 | Dsls | hmmm ... I have a strange behaviour of gnome 2.10 on my desktop : the "restore to native workspace" option for window-list applet doesn't seem to work |
| 17:20.51 | j_k | chealer: you can always do 'pwd | hexdump -C' to know. |
| 17:21.09 | j_k | chealer: i don't know how to fix it, however. |
| 17:21.17 | chealer | j_k: ok |
| 17:21.31 | jshriver | SavannahLion: not of the top of my head... sorry |
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| 17:23.03 | SavannahLion | hhmm.... OK, how about this. What is a .la file? I think it's a library of sorts, but I don't understand how it differs from a .so file. |
| 17:23.07 | stew | Dsls: gnome 2.10 isn't in debian yet, you'd probably be better off asking on irc.gnome.org |
| 17:23.08 | K_Dallas | during the boot up i get two erros for shpchp and pciehp. are they serious problems, how to resolve them then? thanks |
| 17:23.13 | K_Dallas | erros* |
| 17:23.18 | K_Dallas | erroRs* |
| 17:23.39 | Dsls | stew: I just wanted to test with the experimental version of gnome |
| 17:23.55 | j_k | SavannahLion: IIRC there's a library packaging guide on people.d.o, google for it if you didn't read it already. |
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| 17:24.13 | eidolon | hm, any usb gurus? any reason why 'lsusb' would just wedge? |
| 17:24.16 | eidolon | it's just sitting there. |
| 17:24.19 | shingouz | Dsls: You are bound to screw up the system real bad |
| 17:24.38 | eidolon | aaaand, won't ^Z :( |
| 17:24.42 | shingouz | eidolon: Do you have some real Gucci hardware hanging off the USB at the moment? |
| 17:24.45 | jshriver | SavannahLion: not sure if this is it, but try http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html |
| 17:25.04 | eidolon | i just added a logitech usb joystick. |
| 17:25.23 | jshriver | maybe the driver isn't loaded and it's wigging out |
| 17:25.24 | eidolon | these are the last lines in the dmesg: |
| 17:25.25 | eidolon | drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: ctrl urb status -2 received |
| 17:25.25 | eidolon | drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: usb_submit_urb(ctrl) failed |
| 17:25.35 | eidolon | i don't know exactly when that happened though. |
| 17:25.39 | karamelos | do you know any open source project similar to photomesa? http://www.windsorinterfaces.com/photomesa.shtml |
| 17:25.42 | shingouz | eidolon: To zap the lsusb hit ^C |
| 17:25.56 | eidolon | shingouz: *grin* yes, i know that. it's not working. hence trying ^z :) |
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| 17:26.05 | eidolon | it has to be in iowait or something. |
| 17:26.06 | shingouz | eidolon: You sure the stick is ok in the first place? |
| 17:26.21 | shingouz | eidolon: killall -9 lsmod |
| 17:26.23 | eidolon | actually, no, i just pulled it out the package. maybe i'll try it on the weeendoze box first. |
| 17:26.41 | shingouz | eidolon: Get some Tylenol and DDT |
| 17:26.54 | eidolon | killall ain't workin. |
| 17:27.02 | eidolon | i've unplugged the JS now. |
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| 17:27.07 | shingouz | eidolon: Not even with -9? |
| 17:27.12 | eidolon | not even. |
| 17:27.22 | eidolon | dbs@hunter:~$ ps aux | grep lsusb |
| 17:27.22 | eidolon | root 7657 0.0 0.0 1704 684 pts/4 D+ 13:23 0:00 lsusb |
| 17:27.30 | shingouz | eidolon: nice. very nice |
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| 17:27.37 | eidolon | hey, can i break 'em or what? |
| 17:27.48 | jshriver | brb |
| 17:27.52 | shingouz | eidolon: "'em" as in? |
| 17:27.56 | SavannahLion | j_k google doesn't show a people.d.o. |
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| 17:28.17 | rob_lt | karamelos: what exactly are you looking for, just an image viewer? Try gqview or gthumb? |
| 17:28.18 | K_Dallas | SavannahLion, people.debian.org i presume |
| 17:28.20 | shingouz | SavannahLion: people.debian.org |
| 17:28.25 | SavannahLion | ooohhh |
| 17:28.32 | j_k | SavannahLion: try "library packaging guide site:people.debian.org" as query. |
| 17:28.36 | eidolon | shingouz: just a generic comment. "I'm good at breaking machines." :) |
| 17:28.52 | zenlunatic | I'm having a problem with mpg321. I do "$ mpg321 http://lamrim.com/mp3/listen.pls" and it says "Playing MPEG stream from lamrim.com ..." and then it instantly goes to "[0:00] Decoding of lamrim.com finished." Basically its not playing the stream. Is it because its a mp3 stream? |
| 17:28.53 | shingouz | eidolon: You too? /me is an expert at that |
| 17:29.01 | hcy | can someone please tell me how to create an iso image for a video-dvd, so i can burn it to a dvd? I have the directory structure already made on my harddrive. |
| 17:29.17 | karamelos | rob_lt, I am looking a program like photomesa, with treemap like browsing. |
| 17:29.28 | eidolon | heh. i'm trying the joystick on the winxp machine. |
| 17:29.32 | eidolon | make sure it works. |
| 17:29.33 | lindi- | zenlunatic: that file is not mp3 stream, it's ASCII text |
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| 17:29.46 | larsrohdin | hi, i need help... i need swedish keyboard map, is there a support in damn small linux |
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| 17:30.06 | asg | larsrohdin: /msg dpkg keymap (or try #damnsmalllinux) |
| 17:30.09 | shingouz | larsrohdin: Probably there is. |
| 17:30.33 | larsrohdin | asg, what |
| 17:30.33 | Cal[]John | I'm getting this error when i try to download updates: "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/gzip_1.3.5-9ubuntu3.2_i386.deb: malloc failed (2014345335 bytes): Cannot allocate memory" anyone know what's up? |
| 17:30.34 | shingouz | larsrohdin: latin1-fi or -se should work if it is there |
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| 17:30.40 | K_Dallas | msg dpkg set up x |
| 17:30.43 | greycat | that's a shitload of bytes. |
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| 17:30.46 | shingouz | !tell larsrohdin about keymap |
| 17:30.48 | larsrohdin | shingouz, ok but how |
| 17:30.52 | luulis | Cal[]John: tbat |
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| 17:30.54 | zenlunatic | lindi-: How do I play the stream then? |
| 17:30.56 | greycat | and it's not even a debian package. |
| 17:31.03 | aiw | i have a debian woody server, and am setting up my first ssl site, do i need libapache-mod_ssl if i have apache-ssl installed? what is the difference? |
| 17:31.04 | shingouz | larsrohdin: Check what dpkg just told you |
| 17:31.10 | Cal[]John | luulis: what? |
| 17:31.12 | luulis | Cal[]John: er, thats because you dont have enough memory available |
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| 17:31.33 | rob_lt | hcy: mkisofs -dvd-video |
| 17:31.33 | hcy | someone please, how do i create a video-dvd image to burn? |
| 17:31.35 | greycat | luulis: he needs 2 gigabytes for ubuntu? wow. |
| 17:31.39 | Cal[]John | luulis: in terms of RAM? or HD? |
| 17:31.43 | hcy | rob_lt: thanks, but that don't work... |
| 17:31.45 | asg | greycat: for ubuntu's bloated gzip apparently |
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| 17:31.55 | luulis | Cal[]John: RAM |
| 17:31.58 | greycat | Cal[]John: your ubuntu is broken. ask #ubuntu why. |
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| 17:32.06 | greycat | we are not #ubuntu. |
| 17:32.20 | oKtosiTe | how do I pipe something to a local mail account? |
| 17:32.24 | hcy | rob_lt: mkisofs -dvd-video -o dvd.iso VIDEO_TS/ <cr> mkisofs: Unable to make a DVD-Video image. |
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| 17:32.28 | asg | oKtosiTe: echo foo | mail <user> |
| 17:32.29 | greycat | oKtosiTe: with mutt(1) or mailx(1) |
| 17:32.29 | luulis | Cal[]John: I only have ever seen that message on debian when trying it on a machine with 32mb ram with lots of repositories |
| 17:32.31 | Cal[]John | sorry, ill go ask there. I thought it would just be a general debian thing |
| 17:32.39 | PerfDave | oKtosiTe: | mail localuser |
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| 17:32.45 | asg | Cal[]John: never seen it on any debian box I ever had |
| 17:32.52 | greycat | yeah, a bug that makes something allocated 2 billion bytes is a "general debian thing". RIIIIIIGHT. |
| 17:32.56 | oKtosiTe | PerfDave, asg, thanks |
| 17:33.11 | Cal[]John | luulis: i have 256 on here |
| 17:33.19 | Cal[]John | luulis: bad RAM stick maybe? |
| 17:33.29 | rob_lt | hcy: Shouldn't VIDEO_TS/ be within a directory with a couple other directories? Maybe try K3B? |
| 17:33.33 | greycat | Cal[]John: TWO BILLION BYTES. |
| 17:33.36 | greycat | Cal[]John: think about that. |
| 17:33.42 | luulis | Cal[]John: maybe, but i think its more likely its ubuntu bug |
| 17:33.58 | hcy | rob_lt: now i tried doing it from that parent directory, seems to be working now. thanks |
| 17:34.05 | Cal[]John | luulis: ok thankyou, ill go check on ubuntu, sorry |
| 17:34.12 | aiw | anyone have experience with debian and ssl under apache? |
| 17:34.28 | shingouz | aiw: Just state the problem you have |
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| 17:35.18 | Cal[]John | luulis: ill go check on ubuntu then, thanks and sorry |
| 17:35.18 | oKtosiTe | asg, PerfDave: the application still uses stdout, what can I do? |
| 17:35.32 | nn | arrgh. |
| 17:35.32 | luulis | how can ubuntu be broken in soo many ways :D once i even saw autoconf for it broken very badly generating bad code |
| 17:35.32 | eidolon | figures. joystick works fine under XP. Feh. |
| 17:35.32 | K_Dallas | why is that when i want to remove abiword-gnome synaptic removes gnome as well? |
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| 17:35.46 | rob_lt | hcy: np |
| 17:35.46 | taddeus | hi all |
| 17:35.46 | asg | oKtosiTe: application | mail <user> |
| 17:36.54 | eidolon | well, hm. okay, hwo about this. i notice on startup i get a zillion 'already loaded' messages, particularly through my USB setup. |
| 17:36.54 | eidolon | (this is debian sarge) |
| 17:36.54 | eidolon | like this: http://www.homeport.org/~shevett/out.txt |
| 17:36.54 | eidolon | (nutshell - thins like 'input.agent: joydev: already loaded') - is my usb setup put together wrong? |
| 17:36.55 | shingouz | K_Dallas: apt-get remove --simulate abiword-gnome and see what happens |
| 17:37.13 | K_Dallas | thanks, going to try that |
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| 17:37.23 | j_k | oKtosiTe: what do you mean, "still uses stdout" ? |
| 17:37.41 | aiw | i am trying to set up a new website under woody and can not determine if i need libapache-mod-ssl if i already have apache-ssl |
| 17:37.53 | si|vercat | I need some help with HP psc 1350-unit.. I've installed something called hpoj which supposedly works with this unit, but it doesn't respond to anything.. trying to print test-pages through gnome-cups-config.. |
| 17:37.59 | asg | aiw: I'd just use libapache-mod-ssl and apache instead of apache-ssl. |
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| 17:38.12 | PerfDave | oKtosiTe: Is it really using stdout, or stderr? |
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| 17:38.16 | asg | heh |
| 17:38.28 | chealer | si|vercat: is it plugged by USB or what? |
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| 17:38.39 | aiw | asg: what is the difference? why the preference? |
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| 17:39.52 | asg | aiw: apache + mod_ssl has always been more reliable (at least in my experience.) |
| 17:39.52 | si|vercat | chealer: yeah, hpoj detects it though.. |
| 17:39.53 | aiw | asg: ok, thanks, what is the difference between them? |
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| 17:39.53 | K_Dallas | shingouz, it says: The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 17:39.53 | K_Dallas | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.53 | j_k | oKtosiTe: what do you mean, "still uses stdout" ? Maybe it's sending the stuff to stderr ? |
| 17:39.55 | asg | aiw: ssl is statically compiled into apache-ssl |
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| 17:40.04 | aiw | how can i list all the installed packages? |
| 17:40.08 | j_k | aiw: dpkg -l |
| 17:40.08 | si|vercat | chealer: do you know how to test if scanning works? :P |
| 17:40.25 | asg | aiw: dpkg -l | egrep '[hi]i' |
| 17:40.38 | chealer | si|vercat: according to http://hpoj.sourceforge.net/ " HPOJ should only be used for parallel connected HP devices." |
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| 17:40.46 | shingouz | K_Dallas: I have a feeling that the gnome is some kind of a metapackage that contains nothing but is dependent on all packeges gnome is really made of |
| 17:40.49 | greycat | !faq aiw |
| 17:40.50 | dpkg | aiw: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:41.00 | j_k | aiw: dpkg -l | egrep '^[hi]i' :-) |
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| 17:41.20 | oKtosiTe_ | asg, PerfDave: the application still uses stdout, what can I do? |
| 17:41.22 | oKtosiTe_ | j_k, I want all output to the mail program |
| 17:41.23 | aiw | j_k: if i want to pipe that in to a text file is there some way to prevent it from copmressing it to 80 columns? |
| 17:41.24 | K_Dallas | shingouz, so would that be safe to remove then? it would go terribly wrong if the real gnome is removed ;) |
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| 17:41.46 | j_k | aiw: export COLUMNS=some_high_value |
| 17:42.03 | chealer | !tell si|vercat about sane |
| 17:42.06 | shingouz | K_Dallas: try apt-get remove --simulate gnome |
| 17:42.07 | j_k | oKtosiTe_: use 'command 2>&1 | mail ...', read 'man sh' one day. |
| 17:42.14 | K_Dallas | yeah, why not :) |
| 17:42.20 | si|vercat | chealer: further, "For all USB and network connected HP devices use HPLIP instead of HPOJ.", I guess that explains it :) thanks a lot |
| 17:42.28 | PerfDave | oKtosiTe_: What makes you think it's still using stdout? |
| 17:42.44 | K_Dallas | shingouz, it does not give other packages name |
| 17:42.50 | oKtosiTe_ | j_k: thanks, PerfDave: never mind |
| 17:43.03 | shingouz | K_Dallas: you're safe then |
| 17:43.12 | PerfDave | oKtosiTe_: As I said before: 18:39 < PerfDave> oKtosiTe: Is it really using stdout, or stderr? |
| 17:43.20 | K_Dallas | excellent, i just hate to have stuff on the system that i would never use |
| 17:43.29 | oKtosiTe_ | PerfDave, as some others here, I timed out. |
| 17:43.34 | j_k | oKtosiTe_: it's using stderr, the output of a program is split between stdout and stderr. |
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| 17:44.29 | shingouz | K_Dallas: i personally hate it when such packages slip through my scrutiny and gets on the system. it always freaks me out when i try to remove something and it wants to remove gnome or kde or some other major component |
| 17:44.33 | j_k | rob_lt: you need to specify a destination address, but yes. |
| 17:44.35 | greycat | rob_lt: I can. You can. Can he? We may never know. |
| 17:44.37 | shingouz | not that i use gnome or kde but still |
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| 17:44.59 | homekneet | Can someone running courier-authdaemon give me the right permissions (sarge) for /var/run/courier/authdaemon dir? I hit the wrong file :( |
| 17:45.04 | K_Dallas | shingouz, that is completely understandable |
| 17:45.09 | deckmar | why doesn't "apt-get source linux-2.6.8.1" work for me? :/ |
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| 17:45.36 | j_k | deckmar: because such a package doesn't exist. |
| 17:45.39 | kalango | boa tarde a todos |
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| 17:45.42 | greycat | deckmar: apt-cache search kernel source 2.6 |
| 17:45.57 | greycat | !br |
| 17:45.58 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:46.09 | deckmar | thnx :) |
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| 17:46.10 | jesse_ | Hi all. I am wondering if anyone can offer advice on on finding a good virtual dedicated server host with debian installed. My google searches are turning up crap. |
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| 17:48.05 | kalango | oi |
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| 17:48.07 | kalango | ob |
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| 17:48.18 | orchid | jesse_: linode.com |
| 17:48.22 | eidolon | wtf? i haven't said anything for over 10 minutes! |
| 17:48.29 | muwu | Hi. Anyone experiencing hotplug failure under 2.6.8 and sarge? |
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| 17:48.37 | shingouz | eidolon: you have a sore throat |
| 17:48.40 | greycat | eidolon: freenode barfed. |
| 17:48.42 | incorrect | it is root that runs logrotates ? just being paranoid now |
| 17:48.44 | eidolon | okay. |
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| 17:49.02 | muwu | Even with gnome-volume-manager, sd card becomes unrecognized after replugging it... |
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| 17:49.05 | jesse_ | cool, thanks |
| 17:49.06 | eidolon | so it came across as a flood. got it. anyway - did any of my questions actually get through? (about the usb 'already loaded' stuff :) |
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| 17:49.25 | EdibleText | !beer K_Dallas |
| 17:49.36 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 17:49.49 | shingouz | eidolon: modprobe -r <joystick specific modules> |
| 17:49.52 | K_Dallas | is that a true beer? |
| 17:49.56 | muwu | In the "old" days when I ran Ubuntu, init.d/hotplug restart usually fixed the problem.. but in Sarge, this will hang hotplug system.. disabling my mouse |
| 17:50.09 | shingouz | eidolon: then replug the joystick and try lsusb |
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| 17:50.16 | eidolon | well, lsusb is still totally wedged. |
| 17:50.20 | K_Dallas | maudite = damned or something in french |
| 17:50.26 | eidolon | so i'm gonna do a reboot soon as this apt-get is complete. |
| 17:50.27 | muwu | eidolon, having usb/hotplug problem? |
| 17:50.32 | kalango | @@@@@@@@@@ |
| 17:50.38 | eidolon | muwu: yeah. may or may not be related. |
| 17:50.46 | shingouz | kalango: what is the problem? |
| 17:51.07 | muwu | man, this is really annoying... i mean a modern OS should handle a simple SDcard (un)pluging.. :( |
| 17:51.11 | eidolon | first problem is the hotplug agent is piling up a ton of 'already loaded' messages on boot - which makes me think i have something misconfigured. my bootup takes far longer than it should, and a lot of it is just showing 'input.agent... already loaded' |
| 17:51.30 | shingouz | eidolon: just remove hotplug and install usbmgr ;) |
| 17:51.42 | eidolon | er. |
| 17:51.51 | muwu | shingouz, is usbmgr a complete replacement for hotplug + udev? |
| 17:51.52 | eidolon | that seems overly drastic? since i don't know what usbmgr is? |
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| 17:52.05 | shingouz | mumu: udev? that is evil |
| 17:52.23 | eidolon | udev, if i remember correctly, is a way to handle hotplugging things like pen drives. |
| 17:52.30 | eidolon | right now i'm manually mount and umounting it. :( |
| 17:52.32 | shingouz | !udev |
| 17:52.33 | dpkg | udev is, like, at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 17:53.03 | muwu | eidolon, udev generates device names during boot time or plug in... |
| 17:53.07 | homekneet | Seems that lots of people dislike udev - but for pen drives and card readers a combination of udev and autofs works very well. |
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| 17:53.28 | eidolon | well, that would be handy for my palm phone. |
| 17:53.36 | danko123456 | Yay, I finally insdtalled my debian:) |
| 17:53.43 | eidolon | which generates a new device name as soon as you hit sync, and you have t connec tot hat specific device name inside a second or two :) |
| 17:53.48 | shingouz | homekneet: hmm.. usbmgr and some additions to the config file seem to do the same thing |
| 17:53.54 | danko123456 | how do I list files in a directory? |
| 17:54.01 | shingouz | danko123456: man ls |
| 17:54.10 | homekneet | Palm is more fun - most devices turn up on /dev/ttyUSB1 but my Tungsten T turns up on ttyUSB0 (or /dev/pilot now :)) |
| 17:54.19 | K_Dallas | there are too many useless packages in linux :) |
| 17:54.23 | eidolon | right, that's a real problem :) |
| 17:54.36 | shingouz | K_Dallas: linux is just the kernel |
| 17:54.47 | K_Dallas | ok, i was not talking that precisely |
| 17:54.55 | K_Dallas | distros if you prefer ;) |
| 17:55.02 | muwu | ah.. hotplug in Sarge sucks... maybe if I upgrade my kernel to the latest stable, would that fix this problem? |
| 17:55.04 | danko123456 | thanks, shingouz |
| 17:55.04 | shingouz | K_Dallas: all packages have their purpose |
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| 17:55.08 | K_Dallas | snake race, for instance :) |
| 17:55.11 | homekneet | shingouz: maybe so - my attitude on udev is "works4me" :) |
| 17:55.16 | K_Dallas | oh yeah, lets race some snakes |
| 17:55.19 | shingouz | K_Dallas: well... you have apoint there |
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| 17:55.32 | abrotman | muwu: doubtful |
| 17:55.45 | shingouz | homekneet: i do not want hotplug or discover on my systems. too much of a headache |
| 17:55.46 | thumann | hi.. anyone tried building a LFS system on a debian sarge base system? |
| 17:55.46 | muwu | abrotman, so what's likely causing this problem? |
| 17:55.50 | abrotman | upgrading your kernel doesn't upgrade hotplug |
| 17:56.15 | abrotman | muwu: udev is more than likely the source of the issue .. try using usbmgr .. see what happens |
| 17:56.20 | muwu | abrotman, so I should get the latest hotplug source and compile myself? |
| 17:56.24 | homekneet | shingouz: I've no problem with that - my needs/wants are for me - yours for you - and we can both have what we want :) |
| 17:56.33 | abrotman | muwu: i did'nt say that |
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| 17:56.50 | shingouz | homekneet: one of the big reasons why this is not #winblowzeXP |
| 17:56.51 | muwu | abrotman, so I should first uninstall udev and install usbmgr via apt? |
| 17:57.08 | bucky | i had to specifically black list every module i didn't want in /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 17:57.36 | MrKeuner | I produced a kernel-package using make-kpkg kernel-image and installed that package but it there is no /initrd.img or /boot/initrd.img now. I used the same config as /boot/config-2.6.11-1-k7. What am I missing? |
| 17:57.42 | abrotman | muwu: are you a gnome user ?> |
| 17:58.00 | rob_lt | MrKeuner: make-kpkg --initrd |
| 17:58.00 | muwu | abrotman, nope.. kde.. but someone here suggested I install gnome-volume-manager |
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| 17:58.13 | rob_lt | MrKeuner: or something like that, I can't remember exactly |
| 17:58.26 | bucky | MrKeuner, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 17:58.47 | abrotman | muwu: udev is a required package for that |
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| 17:59.19 | muwu | ic.. well, since install usbmgr, it seems udev, gnome-volume-manager have been automatically uninstalled |
| 17:59.38 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:00.54 | muwu | abrotman, thanks.. i think my problem is mostly solved.. (at least sd card gets detected and I can mount it after (re)inserting it) |
| 18:01.03 | abrotman | ok |
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| 18:01.29 | muwu | now, how do I have it automounted with giving it access to everyone? (can't really put it to fstab bec. the device name will change) |
| 18:01.42 | abrotman | muwu: gnome-volume-manager :) |
| 18:02.06 | muwu | so basically udev is 234r343ou.. (but you said gnome-volume-manager depends on udev, but I have usbmgr now) |
| 18:02.39 | muwu | :) (sorry, this is only my seventh week of fully switching to linux.. and my first week with Sarge) |
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| 18:02.51 | abrotman | muwu: seems lots of peopel do what you're asking with with udev/gnome-volume-manager |
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| 18:03.59 | muwu | abrotman, so usbmgr + gnome-volume-manager is possible... mucho thanks.. this was one of my few grips with linux.. (one solved, three to go) |
| 18:04.01 | jasoncohen | anyone know how to run a vnc server at boot time as a particular user? |
| 18:04.14 | abrotman | muwu: what are the other 3 ? |
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| 18:05.11 | ruede | problem: http://paste.debian.net/449 |
| 18:05.38 | rob_lt | jasoncohen: maybe something like "su username -c vncserver"? This is just a guess though. |
| 18:05.46 | muwu | abrotman: getting scim (chinese/korean/japanese input) to work, burn DVD movies, and figure out how to do soft RAID |
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| 18:06.17 | abrotman | muwu: i'm not chinese .. i don't pirate movies .. and i only trust hardware raid :) |
| 18:06.22 | jasoncohen | rob_lt, thanks, i'll try that |
| 18:06.25 | hcy_ | please help: I have 2 external ext3 harddisks, called /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2 which are normally mounted... recently, after working for a few minutes they change themselves to read-only. I look in /var/log/syslog and see strange things about them - "EXT3-fs error (device sda2) in ext3_orphan_del: Journal has aborted" and stuff like that. what's going on? |
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| 18:06.55 | asg | hcy_: have you fscked them recently? |
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| 18:07.09 | Anders1 | hm, how do i create /dev/psaux / /dev/input/mice? |
| 18:07.15 | muwu | abrotman, heh.. I am Korean, I (mostly) burn legal DVD's, and I am kinda sick of having data corrupted.. (maybe Maxtor sucks...) |
| 18:07.16 | rob_lt | muwu: for backing up your legit DVD movie collection, I've had great results with wine+dvdshrink -> create iso -> burn with k3b. |
| 18:07.17 | hcy_ | asg: yeah, i fsck them when this happens, they work for a little while and then it happens again |
| 18:07.35 | Anders1 | mknod /dev/input/mice c 13 63 didnt work |
| 18:07.38 | asg | hcy_: what kernel? |
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| 18:07.46 | Anders1 | says no such device |
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| 18:08.02 | hcy_ | i notice when i boot up and mount them i get a warning about ext3 being mounted as ext2, i don't know if that has anything do to with anything |
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| 18:08.04 | digas | Does anyone in here have adsl speed touch router ? |
| 18:08.09 | hcy_ | asg: it's 2.6.3 |
| 18:08.11 | muwu | rob_lt, ic.. I want to burn music videos (divx to dvd), but I amhaving hard time finding good gui programs to do the job.. |
| 18:08.38 | asg | hcy_: are you sure they are ext3? how did you create them? |
| 18:08.46 | asg | hcy_: you might want a newer kernel also |
| 18:09.17 | muwu | seriously guys, maxtor's quality seems to be going downhill. (will be sticking with Seagate from today) |
| 18:09.22 | hcy_ | asg: i'm sure they're ext3... don't remember how i created them but i remember they're ext3 |
| 18:09.22 | rob_lt | muwu: for avi/mpeg/wmv -> dvd, take a look at an app called tovid. It is not in the debian repos, so you will have to set it up yourself. I've had alot of luck with that app too. |
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| 18:09.29 | hcy_ | asg: can i check? |
| 18:09.40 | shingouz | digas: Just ask your question, don't poll |
| 18:09.47 | muwu | rob_lt, thanks... will download ASAP |
| 18:10.10 | dos000 | is it possible to transfer the /etc/ssh/{rsa,dsa} keys between machines ? |
| 18:10.11 | asg | hcy_: file -s /dev/sdaX (as root) |
| 18:10.15 | digas | shingouz: I want to create a tunnel between my linux and this router |
| 18:10.15 | danko123456 | how do you specify which sound card to use if you ahve 2? |
| 18:10.24 | digas | shingouz: I don't know how to do it on the router tho |
| 18:10.56 | hcy_ | asg: /dev/sda2: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) (errors) (large files) |
| 18:10.59 | shingouz | digas: even if i said "just ask" does not mean i run such a modem or that i know how to do what you ask. you just need to ask and not poll is my point |
| 18:11.04 | rob_lt | muwu: you can get everything that tovid needs from the normal repos, except you will need mplayer/mencoder which you can get from the marillat repo: |
| 18:11.21 | shingouz | !marillat |
| 18:11.21 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 18:11.25 | digas | shingouz: Yeah, you wouldn't know how to do that, would you ? |
| 18:11.43 | shingouz | digas: create the tunnel? no. |
| 18:11.57 | digas | Anybody fammiliar with that ? |
| 18:11.59 | shingouz | !tell digas about ask |
| 18:12.10 | muwu | oh.. so tovid is also a mencoder frontend? |
| 18:12.28 | asg | hcy_: after you fsck it, does it show the same thing? |
| 18:12.44 | digas | I have speedtouch 510 router and debian, i wish to create an interface which is tunneled from my debian to the router, i need some help tho, any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. |
| 18:12.45 | rob_lt | muwu: like alot of linux tools, tovid just a front-end to a bunch of commandline utilities. |
| 18:13.00 | muwu | rob_lt. ic. thanks.. |
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| 18:13.18 | hcy_ | asg: I'll try... for some reason i need to log out of my gui in order to unmount that disk... i'll give it a try and get back to you |
| 18:13.26 | asg | hcy_: okay |
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| 18:14.17 | moi | hey, how can i make a quick screenshot without installing half of the kde environment to use kscreenshot?! |
| 18:14.35 | asg | moi: import in the imagemagick package |
| 18:14.40 | rob_lt | imagemagick -> import |
| 18:14.50 | rob_lt | bah |
| 18:14.53 | Skyblaze | anyone here uses scinte editor? |
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| 18:15.06 | shingouz | what is scinte? |
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| 18:15.11 | Skyblaze | an editor |
| 18:15.16 | asg | sounds ghastly |
| 18:15.16 | Skyblaze | scite |
| 18:15.17 | Skyblaze | sorry |
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| 18:15.32 | shingouz | vi ;) |
| 18:15.39 | Skyblaze | apt-get install scite |
| 18:15.40 | Skyblaze | :) |
| 18:15.53 | danko123456 | so, did you guys know how to specify which sound card to use? |
| 18:15.54 | dos000 | Skyblaze, used to in previuos life on windows |
| 18:16.10 | doleyb | moi: gimp, xv, import |
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| 18:16.49 | hcy | back |
| 18:17.02 | hcy | asg: e2fsck is running... |
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| 18:17.28 | si|vercat | wow, I got my hp psc1350 to scan.. now how do I make it print? :P |
| 18:17.34 | moi | doleyb: where is xv, import in? |
| 18:17.50 | shingouz | moi: imagemagick has import |
| 18:17.51 | doleyb | moi: xv is nonfree (non-debian), import is imagemagick, gimp is gimp |
| 18:17.51 | hcy | asg: i hope my hardware isn't failing on me |
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| 18:18.14 | moi | k, i go for imagemagick then |
| 18:18.14 | naddar | anyone here |
| 18:18.17 | hcy | asg: a newer kernel would help with this? |
| 18:18.26 | luulis | !anyone |
| 18:18.26 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 18:18.27 | doleyb | moi: gimp is the easiest, but maybe you think its too big |
| 18:18.28 | naddar | what is the extension from a script |
| 18:18.33 | zophyx | which script starts cupsd ? |
| 18:18.35 | zophyx | in init.d ? |
| 18:18.41 | shingouz | naddar: huh? extension? |
| 18:18.43 | moi | doleyb, it is.. for my 350 mhz / 128 mb ram ;) |
| 18:18.49 | naddar | lol like test.bat |
| 18:18.50 | asg | hcy: it might be :/ I would try a newer kernel though, 2.6.3 is old and 2.6 really wasn't considered stable at that point (some say it still isn't) |
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| 18:18.56 | naddar | or how i create it its my first time |
| 18:18.59 | shingouz | naddar: linux does not need extentions at all |
| 18:19.04 | asg | hcy: you might also try a 2.4.x kernel to see if it exhibits the same issue. |
| 18:19.12 | naddar | oh ok |
| 18:19.23 | shingouz | naddar: what script do you want to create? |
| 18:19.31 | hcy | asg: this is a new anomoly... i've been using this disk with this kernal for months with no problems |
| 18:19.37 | schrankwand | how can i disable the gui-login? |
| 18:19.56 | asg | hcy: oh. You might try a badblocks scan. Also, check the connections on your cables. |
| 18:20.05 | shingouz | schrankwand: remove the displaymanager |
| 18:20.08 | pureone | at boot time ? |
| 18:20.11 | shingouz | naddar: do not message me |
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| 18:20.16 | naddar | ok |
| 18:20.18 | naddar | http://itdp.fh-biergarten.de/~itdp/html/mplayer-users/2005-03/msg00261.html |
| 18:20.19 | hcy | how do you do a badblocks scan? |
| 18:20.20 | asg | schrankwand: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 18:20.23 | naddar | this script i like to create |
| 18:20.25 | cirdan | anyone here decent with php? |
| 18:20.30 | cirdan | ##php is useless |
| 18:20.38 | danko123456 | do you know how to turn off the on board card? |
| 18:20.45 | asg | hcy: man badblocks, man fsck.ext3 |
| 18:20.46 | danko123456 | an on board sound card. |
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| 18:21.25 | shingouz | naddar: just place the script where it belongs to and chmod it to have execute permissions for the users you want to be able to run it |
| 18:21.55 | steelhoof | plink |
| 18:22.00 | abrotman | cirdan: use #php |
| 18:22.01 | schrankwand | shingouz schrankwand: remove the displaymanager | that isn't probably the best way, but i will do it in this way |
| 18:22.02 | hcy | asg: i think maybe fsck does that, doesn't it? anyway fsck is done now, found lots of errors and hopefully corrected them |
| 18:22.03 | shingouz | steelhoof: plonk |
| 18:22.20 | abrotman | yay |
| 18:22.20 | shingouz | schrankwand: that is the best way when you run debian |
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| 18:22.44 | schrankwand | well |
| 18:23.01 | hcy | asg: so now 'file' reports: "/dev/sda2: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (large files)" |
| 18:23.28 | asg | hcy: cool. Keep and eye on things. |
| 18:23.52 | steelhoof | Using testing and lookig for a package fot my atheros based wifi card... is there any place other than deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public/ sarge madwifi |
| 18:24.03 | cirdan | abrotman: uhh, #php redirects to ##php |
| 18:24.11 | cirdan | and those ppl are useless |
| 18:24.24 | cirdan | but using debian's php5 is breaking this php app |
| 18:24.31 | shingouz | i'll tick off for a few hours. be well |
| 18:24.33 | FieldySnuts | yep. ## channels are t ypically useless |
| 18:24.37 | FieldySnuts | later shingouz |
| 18:24.38 | bucky | php5 is useless |
| 18:24.45 | hcy | now hda3 has aborted :( |
| 18:24.48 | FieldySnuts | php5 is fine, using it on lots of servers |
| 18:24.50 | bucky | and so is #php5 |
| 18:24.56 | abrotman | cirdan: it's certainly a better place than here |
| 18:24.56 | FieldySnuts | that part is true |
| 18:25.02 | cirdan | yeah, well, there is a movie dbb that i am using, and it's in php |
| 18:25.02 | giupy | how can i install a "unstable game under sarge ? |
| 18:25.04 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: troll :) |
| 18:25.05 | schrankwand | php5 and oop rules |
| 18:25.09 | hcy | asg: something's wacky with my computer |
| 18:25.11 | Phated | Whooops. |
| 18:25.11 | abrotman | cirdan: and last i asked in #php . .they said don't use php5 if your life/job depends on it |
| 18:25.12 | FieldySnuts | Phated! |
| 18:25.14 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 18:25.20 | FieldySnuts | yay |
| 18:25.21 | Phated | Hard. |
| 18:25.22 | asg | hcy: oh |
| 18:25.26 | FieldySnuts | ooh, ****. |
| 18:25.30 | cirdan | i just need to figure out how to enable debugging, as no errors are displkayed, but the page isn't rendered |
| 18:25.31 | Phated | digas: Shorry. |
| 18:25.38 | FieldySnuts | Phated: why so hard |
| 18:25.42 | FieldySnuts | (that didn't sound right) |
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| 18:25.52 | asg | !comfort dondelelcaro |
| 18:25.52 | dpkg | There, there, dondelelcaro. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 18:25.56 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Overwhelming joy at being back on IRC. |
| 18:25.59 | bucky | yeah Phated.. why so hard? |
| 18:26.00 | cirdan | abrotman: they dont depend on it, but the pita dev that wrote it does |
| 18:26.02 | FieldySnuts | Phated: sarcasm? |
| 18:26.06 | hcy | asg: something really weird here... the main harddrive's frozen now... anything i try to do in a console, i get "ls: command not found" |
| 18:26.06 | si|vercat | what is mepis? |
| 18:26.12 | dondelelcaro | damn thing had me freaked out last night... it was totally dead, until I remembered that you can actually reset the PMU |
| 18:26.13 | greycat | si|vercat: /msg dpkg mepis |
| 18:26.14 | FieldySnuts | !blame mepis |
| 18:26.15 | abrotman | cirdan: so kill him |
| 18:26.32 | asg | hcy: ouch, something is screwy. |
| 18:26.35 | hcy | and i'm getting repeated warnings about its journal shutting down or something... |
| 18:26.35 | Phated | FieldySnuts: No, I've been offline for almost 24 hours. |
| 18:26.40 | hcy | asg: what should i do here? |
| 18:26.45 | FieldySnuts | Phated: yeah I was wondering where you were:/ you ok girl? |
| 18:26.48 | asg | hcy: power it down, check cards and cables |
| 18:26.49 | steelhoof | !balme abrotman |
| 18:26.50 | Phated | bucky: Why care you? |
| 18:26.55 | steelhoof | !blame abrotman |
| 18:26.57 | abrotman | !lart steelhoof |
| 18:27.06 | hcy | asg: ok |
| 18:27.07 | bucky | ok yoda |
| 18:27.10 | hcy | asg: thanks |
| 18:27.16 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Stupid ISP was doing something funny, surfy webby but no IRC, no SSH, no telnet, no IMAP from mutt... :( |
| 18:27.24 | ecobit | i have an snmp question. i have an snmp master that polls snmpd on several systems. i have a monitor that sends an snmp trap on certain failure events. should i have it send the even to the locally running snmpd or to the master snmp system via netsnmp? |
| 18:27.26 | FieldySnuts | Phated: lame. |
| 18:27.36 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Totally. |
| 18:27.55 | si|vercat | what package provides ptal-init? |
| 18:28.02 | robin_sz | hmmm, why does apt-get install dancing-girls not work?? |
| 18:28.04 | asg | si|vercat: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:28.08 | RNR | IM NOT SPEAK INGLISH |
| 18:28.09 | asg | robin_sz: non-free |
| 18:28.14 | FieldySnuts | !irritate RNR |
| 18:28.15 | dpkg | RNR: Y iz debain so old? who uses kde hello? |
| 18:28.27 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:28.27 | ecobit | si|vercat, do a search for package contents at packages.debian.org |
| 18:28.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:28.34 | usn | hi folx |
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| 18:28.49 | bucky | si|vercat, hpoj |
| 18:28.52 | EdibleText | lo usn |
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| 18:28.55 | FieldySnuts | <rant> oh my GOD the windows based storage server here is almost unresponsive, I can't work on *ANY* docs... I should start keeping local copies</rant> |
| 18:29.03 | ecobit | si|vercat, or use apt-file to search |
| 18:29.11 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Do eeet. While I sleep. |
| 18:29.16 | hcy | asg: "bash: /sbin/shutdown: Input/output error" --- is there anyway at this point that i can power down unmounting the disk, other than just pressing the power button |
| 18:29.23 | asg | ecobit: the search factoid indictates that as a possibility. |
| 18:29.47 | hcy | asg: 'cause cutting out the power isn't good for the disks either |
| 18:29.48 | asg | hcy: try init 0 but you may have to nerve pinch it. |
| 18:29.50 | RNR | IM NOT SPEAK INGLISH |
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| 18:30.01 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: reboot it ? |
| 18:30.02 | hcy | asg: what's that? |
| 18:30.06 | abrotman | !tell RNR about es |
| 18:30.09 | danko123456 | RNR: what do you speak? |
| 18:30.10 | EdibleText | !capsmite RNR |
| 18:30.18 | pureone | me fail englishd thats umpossible |
| 18:30.22 | asg | hcy: tells init to shutdown (might work, probably won't though.) |
| 18:30.28 | dondelelcaro | RNR: I think we've established that. However, if you don't plan on speaking english, this is not the channel for you. |
| 18:30.33 | bucky | !ar |
| 18:30.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils |
| 18:30.42 | asg | bucky: argentina |
| 18:30.44 | RNR | SPANISH |
| 18:30.47 | hcy | asg: ok, i did "init 0" and got "Bus error" |
| 18:30.49 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: i'm not the win admin, i can't touch it unless it crashes (there's an idea) |
| 18:30.50 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Maybe you should simplify that. :) |
| 18:30.52 | dondelelcaro | RNR: so go to #debian-es |
| 18:30.53 | danko123456 | dpkg: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 18:31.01 | asg | hcy: you sure this isn't a solaris machine, I had that happen on a 280r not long since. |
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| 18:31.02 | FieldySnuts | i've been timing this document save. 5m15s so far. |
| 18:31.06 | FieldySnuts | ok done whining |
| 18:31.13 | hcy | asg: it's a dell latitude laptop |
| 18:31.18 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: "accidentally" hit the reset switch ? |
| 18:31.19 | asg | haha |
| 18:31.30 | asg | hcy: with scsi drives? pcmcia connectors? |
| 18:31.37 | FieldySnuts | hehe i cause too many accidents to do more, might get suspicious |
| 18:31.48 | hcy | it's a pcmcia firewire card, and external disks connected to firewire |
| 18:31.52 | FieldySnuts | "damn how'd that UPS power bar decide to shut off??" |
| 18:32.11 | jasoncohen | why haven't a bunch of security updatse (ethereal, gaim, firefox) gone into testing yet? |
| 18:32.22 | asg | hcy: hmmm, okay. |
| 18:32.22 | EdibleText | microsoft minutes... |
| 18:32.27 | FieldySnuts | testing doesn't really get them, unless someone gets around to it |
| 18:32.28 | greycat | jasoncohen: we'd like to know that too.... |
| 18:32.30 | hcy | asg: any suggestions? |
| 18:32.32 | asg | hcy: you are just going to have to power it off. |
| 18:32.36 | hcy | asg: ok |
| 18:32.38 | FieldySnuts | @badger testing |
| 18:32.44 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: fucker |
| 18:32.45 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 18:32.46 | asg | hcy: that sounds very hardware related though. |
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| 18:33.03 | jasoncohen | greycat, i would imagine sarge isn't going to be released with security problems |
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| 18:33.05 | hcy | asg: one more question - when i power on again how can i do a fsck on my root drive before it gets mounted? |
| 18:33.06 | bucky | jasoncohen, because you don't have the security repos for sare in your sources.list ? |
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| 18:33.08 | asg | hcy: since both drives exhibit the behavior, I'd suspect the firewire card or cable. |
| 18:33.16 | vds | hi all, on my debian sid, I'm trying to use totem-gstreamer to watch divx but it always complaint I don't have decoders but I have all the gstreamer-plugins installed, which one do I need ? tnx ! |
| 18:33.22 | asg | hcy: linux single (at the lilo or grub prompt) |
| 18:33.26 | valdyn | !info ethereal sarge |
| 18:33.28 | dpkg | ethereal: (network traffic analyzer), section net, is optional. Version: 0.10.10-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 430 kB, Installed size: 1204 kB |
| 18:33.29 | hcy | asg: great |
| 18:33.31 | jasoncohen | bucky, i do |
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| 18:33.42 | hcy | asg: except the firewire card wouldn't affect my root drive as well |
| 18:33.47 | jasoncohen | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 18:34.08 | greycat | jasoncohen: didn't you read one of the recent d-d-a messages? Security bugs are a "renewable resource", and are therefore a lesser priority than other RC bugs. |
| 18:34.25 | greycat | !d-d-a |
| 18:34.25 | dpkg | i guess d-d-a is debian-devel-announce, the list that major Debian developments are posted to. It's perhaps one message a week, so Sarge and Sid users have no excuse not to be on it and read it. Sign up at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 18:34.27 | FieldySnuts | that's messed up |
| 18:34.27 | jasoncohen | "renewable resource"? |
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| 18:34.35 | Delph | jasoncohen: they can fix security bugs later; they can't fix other bugs later. |
| 18:34.37 | hcy | asg: ok i'm gonna power down, let my computer and hardware rest for about half an hour, then try again... thanks |
| 18:34.39 | greycat | jasoncohen: read it. I won't attempt to translate it into English. |
| 18:34.41 | Delph | and there will always be more. |
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| 18:34.56 | jasoncohen | reading now- thanks greycat |
| 18:35.00 | asg | hcy: okay, good luck. |
| 18:35.04 | hcy | asg: bye |
| 18:35.06 | _rene_ | greycat: that should be changed to testing and sid IMHO |
| 18:35.20 | greycat | dpkg, d-d-a =~ s/Sarge/Testing/ |
| 18:35.20 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
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| 18:37.34 | si|vercat | hplip is supposed to come with a toolbox..? |
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| 18:38.01 | si|vercat | found it :P |
| 18:38.04 | si|vercat | nevermind |
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| 18:38.26 | bucky | si|vercat, apt-cache show hplip |
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| 18:39.58 | jetscreamer | that's for a scanner right? |
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| 18:41.08 | abrotman | jetscreamer: no .. it's to hear crap come out of Carly Fiorniinis mouth :) |
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| 18:42.59 | greycat | Carly Fiorini is the former HP CEO |
| 18:43.51 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 18:45.33 | si|vercat | why are there only 3 HP models in cups when I try to install the device? |
| 18:45.38 | coruptkid | hello. I'm in abit of a chicken egg situation. I want to build a Debian UML filesystem, but i need a running UML system to make it using "Rootstrap". WHAT DO I DO??? |
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| 18:46.42 | valdyn | si|vercat: apt-cache search "\-ppd" |
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| 18:48.41 | valdyn | coruptkid: whats a user mode linux fs? |
| 18:48.43 | asg | coruptkid: download one from the uml sourceforge site. Or create one with deboostrap |
| 18:48.44 | daft | How can i login with gdm to a samba domain |
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| 18:48.49 | bitsmash | hi |
| 18:48.52 | tarzeau | daft: you can't |
| 18:48.55 | bitsmash | do industrial photocopiers copy the color blue these days as black on a black copier? |
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| 18:48.59 | tarzeau | daft: well, you don't want to |
| 18:49.05 | tarzeau | daft: damn, that is so pervertedly sick |
| 18:49.16 | tarzeau | daft: look at PAM, and it'll give you headache, believe me |
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| 18:49.35 | dondelelcaro | bitsmash: depends on what blue it is. |
| 18:49.51 | daft | tarzeau: I know and most pam howtos are for login in with NT to a samba server |
| 18:49.52 | j_k | daft: yes, libpam-ldap, specifically, IMHO, and it'll give you headache, I'm sure of this one :-P |
| 18:49.57 | valdyn | bitsmash: the darkest possible blue is per definition black.. |
| 18:50.12 | tarzeau | daft: no, not more pam howtos are for logins with nt to a samba server. that is a lie |
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| 18:52.55 | daft | well i need to it i want to let me current project to work |
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| 18:53.11 | daft | it/if |
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| 18:55.01 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.12 | TNKS | hello all. I get tired of manually executing xhost commands. Is there a proper place to specify trusted hosts, users? |
| 18:55.30 | overnout | yes |
| 18:55.32 | RNR | FUCK ME |
| 18:55.34 | overnout | with xauth |
| 18:55.42 | greycat | !fuck RNR |
| 18:55.53 | overnout | RNR: fuck yourself |
| 18:56.04 | RNR | PLEASE |
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| 18:56.07 | greycat | yeah, you can probably do a better job solo, than dpkg can. |
| 18:56.32 | theccsscontact | star wars |
| 18:56.39 | theccsscontact | cough |
| 18:57.16 | greycat | oh, did bush declare a War on Stars now? |
| 18:57.17 | tarzeau | my light sword is pink! |
| 18:57.17 | asg | greycat: Fox declared war on that pinko Lucas |
| 18:57.28 | RNR | HORIBLE STAR WARS |
| 18:57.45 | LoRez | RNR: that seems to be off topic for the channel. |
| 18:57.48 | theccsscontact | my sabre is Neon Orange |
| 18:58.26 | IDC | night,all :) |
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| 18:59.01 | jetscreamer | george lucas' father was the lucas who did a lot of star trek TOS ? |
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| 19:00.25 | jetscreamer | guess not |
| 19:00.56 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 19:00.56 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 19:03.26 | jetscreamer | ~alicekill george lucas |
| 19:03.27 | apt | I want to kill george lucas, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill george lucas. Kill. I wanna see george lucas's blood and gore and guts and have george lucas's veins in my teeth. Eat george lucas's dead burnt body. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL. and I jump around with jetscreamer, yelling "KILL, KILL" |
| 19:03.32 | greycat | !alicesmite |
| 19:03.41 | greycat | !alicesmite George Lucas |
| 19:03.46 | dpkg | George Lucas: http://wooledge.org/~greg/alicesmite.gif |
| 19:04.05 | jetscreamer | ~test |
| 19:04.06 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
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| 19:04.19 | jetscreamer | nice nick js |
| 19:04.45 | js_ | any idea why i only get around 1.80 mb/s between my debian and fbsd boxes over 100mbit network? the drives are 100 and 133 ata |
| 19:04.46 | vds | hi all, on my debian sid, I'm trying to use totem-gstreamer to watch divx but it always complaint I don't have decoders but I have all the gstreamer-plugins installed, which one do I need ? tnx ! |
| 19:04.49 | js_ | jetscreamer: hehe |
| 19:04.53 | greycat | jetscreamer: apt isn't responding to me in /msg either |
| 19:05.05 | greycat | jetscreamer: might be lag, or a bot-coma. |
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| 19:05.17 | SantaOne | hi |
| 19:05.24 | chrysopa | Hi how configure proftpd to make user only in your home? |
| 19:05.48 | SantaOne | Could anyone send me a high-quality video for testing, please? Does not matter what video, as long as it is high quality and not over 20 MB |
| 19:05.51 | theccsscontact | hi santa... I want 4 400GB SATA drives for Xmas |
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| 19:06.31 | TNKS | overnout, I'm looking into xauth. I'm interested in just automating something along the lines of "xhost :local". It's really just to allow some root-run programs to send windows to my display. |
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| 19:07.03 | TNKS | overnout, sorry, I meant "xhost local:" |
| 19:07.25 | Bac9 | is there any way to reset an ide drive without having to reboot the entire box? |
| 19:07.31 | overnout | TNKS: xhost +localhost |
| 19:07.52 | LSorensen | Bac9: ehm, yes sometimes, but you shouldn't do it. |
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| 19:08.15 | Bac9 | LSorensen: I don't have much of a choice, it's not working eating up cpu and filling up the syslog |
| 19:08.28 | Bac9 | LSorensen: mind telling me how? |
| 19:08.50 | LSorensen | Bac9: open case, disconnect power to drive, reconnect power to drive. |
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| 19:08.54 | lindi- | TNKS: that's very bad idea, any user can wipe your home directory if you do that |
| 19:09.06 | Covener | Bac9: man hdparm might get you somewhere |
| 19:09.10 | Bac9 | LSorensen: that only works for sata drives not pata |
| 19:09.11 | LSorensen | Bac9: it's NOT permitted by the spec, might break it, but it has worked for _me_ a number of times |
| 19:09.37 | mindjet | Hi, im seeking for a network analyzer program for debian, which one can i get ? |
| 19:09.42 | LSorensen | Bac9: I have yet to meet a system where it didn't work for PATA. Do NOT disconnect the data cable though. That it won't like |
| 19:10.03 | LSorensen | Bac9: of course I also only run one drive per channel ever, so that might help too |
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| 19:10.16 | Bac9 | LSorensen: I don't |
| 19:10.30 | Bac9 | Covener: anything I should pay attention to? |
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| 19:10.58 | LSorensen | Bac9: well it is the only method I know about that has worked for me. only other way is system reboot |
| 19:11.10 | Bac9 | LSorensen: yeah that one I know |
| 19:11.39 | LSorensen | Bac9: it shouldn't ever be necesary but some drives are broken (especially older philips cd burners) |
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| 19:12.41 | Bac9 | Covener: why is "-w Perform a device reset (DANGEROUS)"?? |
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| 19:13.43 | TNKS | lindi-, I though xhost is just giving access to the X-server. How does that comprimise the permissions in my home directory? |
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| 19:14.49 | greycat | xhost is horrible and you should never EVER use it. |
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| 19:14.57 | greycat | /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 19:15.48 | lindi- | TNKS: malicious user can send keyboard/mouse events => open xterm and type rm -fr / |
| 19:16.09 | Bac9 | how safe is sending `hdparm -w` to a cdrom? |
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| 19:18.11 | valdyn | Bac9: its like removing a floppy from a floppy drive, dont do it while data is read and even less while data is written, thats it |
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| 19:18.43 | Bac9 | valdyn: considering there is no disk in the drive is it safe? |
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| 19:18.59 | Bac9 | valdyn: or why does the manpage say it's "dangerous"? |
| 19:19.46 | Klowner2 | this is frustrating, attempting to install the AMD64 port onto an Asus A8N-SLI which apparently only has nforce ethernet, so it isn't detecting it |
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| 19:20.07 | robs_ | what about gnome 2.10 in SID ? |
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| 19:20.16 | Bac9 | Klowner2: should've gotten the deluxe version :-) |
| 19:20.20 | Debonair | Has anyone had trouble setting XFree86 with the ATI Radeon 9200 (32 MB of RAM) to 1024x768 screen resolution? |
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| 19:20.29 | valdyn | Bac9: dangerous in this sense usually just means that you must know what you are doing and that theres no OS "precautions" to deal with that command. in short, its safe when no disk is inserted. |
| 19:20.44 | Bac9 | valdyn: thanx |
| 19:20.46 | Klowner2 | Bac9: yeah :/ |
| 19:20.52 | Bac9 | valdyn: lets see if that works |
| 19:21.02 | Debonair | When I do this, XFree86 displays a "fussy" screen with everything blurred horizontally. |
| 19:21.14 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 19:21.41 | Debonair | I am running Debian on a Mac Mini. |
| 19:21.46 | Bac9 | valdyn: nope, that just hung another terminal :-( guess I am down to a reboot |
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| 19:22.22 | Debonair | It seems the support for the ATI Radeon 9200 can't handle anything over 800x600. |
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| 19:22.32 | Bac9 | valdyn: unless you have any other ideas? |
| 19:22.36 | valdyn | Debonair: false |
| 19:22.58 | valdyn | Bac9: i have no idea at all about your problem, i just explained "DANGEROUS" .. |
| 19:23.09 | Bac9 | valdyn: k, thanx for your help |
| 19:23.19 | Debonair | valdyn: When I set the resolution to 1024x768, the screen is blurred with all iamgesw blurred horizontally. |
| 19:24.42 | TNKS | lindi-, "xhost +inet:localhost" is a bit different than "xhost +local:". I don't know the explicit difference yet, but is one a little more secure? |
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| 19:28.30 | RandomElement | anybody know a good chan for kmud chat? |
| 19:29.50 | RandomElement | or kmud servers =P |
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| 19:30.05 | mith | #nolife |
| 19:30.09 | RandomElement | nice |
| 19:30.09 | lindi- | TNKS: i don't think it is, if it allows root to connect to your X then it allows anyone else too, i assume |
| 19:31.09 | lindi- | TNKS: use "sudo foo" if you really want to run foo as root and foo uses X |
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| 19:31.28 | Spec | okay |
| 19:31.35 | Spec | hmm, my server is really really wonky |
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| 19:32.15 | Spec | top won't run because it can't find the library libtermcap.so.2, , and ldd `which top` shows that it relies on that library |
| 19:32.36 | Spec | but my other debian with the exact same software (mondo/mindi) says top doesn't rely on libtermcap at all |
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| 19:33.08 | nxvl | where can i found a .deb HowTo?? |
| 19:33.25 | Spec | i wrote one |
| 19:33.25 | Spec | you mean to make them |
| 19:33.25 | Spec | ? |
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| 19:33.28 | nxvl | yup |
| 19:33.35 | valdyn | !nmg |
| 19:33.35 | dpkg | nmg is, like, see dnm |
| 19:33.40 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 19:33.40 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 19:33.41 | nxvl | a manual of how to make .deb's |
| 19:33.49 | deadcat | nxvl: apt-get install checkinstall |
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| 19:35.06 | LSorensen | nxvl: read the debian developers documents on www.debian.org/devel and/or apt-get source somesimplepackagesimilartowhatyouwant and look at the debian subdir |
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| 19:35.51 | Spec | oo, man doesn't work either now |
| 19:36.02 | Spec | failed with exit status 35584 |
| 19:36.17 | Spec | gzip segfaults :-/ |
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| 19:38.21 | hcy | hello, i'm back... |
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| 19:38.51 | hcy | asg: i wasn't able to get fsck to run on my root harddrive, even doing linux single... it said that it was mounted, and dangerous to do a fsck on a mounted partition |
| 19:39.24 | dondelelcaro | hcy: you need to mount it ro, and then fsck it |
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| 19:39.45 | hcy | asg: when i boot up, every nth time the startup script says something about the partition having been mounted n times, forcing check... do you know how to adjust that number? |
| 19:40.01 | tabris|away | tune2fs |
| 19:40.12 | tabris|away | hcy: tho you're better off just not using ext2/3 |
| 19:40.24 | dondelelcaro | not hardly. |
| 19:40.43 | valdyn | tabris|away: what's wrong w/ ext3 ? |
| 19:40.45 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing wrong with using ext2 or ext3, especially. |
| 19:41.07 | tabris|away | nothing specifically wrong... just that it's slow and relatively inefficient |
| 19:41.12 | tabris|away | I prefer Reiser or XFS. |
| 19:41.25 | dondelelcaro | ah... the "I don't care about my data, give me speed" argument |
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| 19:41.35 | tabris|away | dondelelcaro: ReiserFS has problems yes. XFS does not. |
| 19:41.43 | tabris|away | that's why I suggest XFS to most ppl now. |
| 19:41.52 | tabris|away | and you can't say that ext3 has no problems. it still does. |
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| 19:41.56 | valdyn | i dont think most users have a problem set that even remotely touches the speed aspect in file systems |
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| 19:42.08 | dondelelcaro | neither of them are as tested as ext2. |
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| 19:42.28 | tabris|away | ext2 isn't even a singular FS. |
| 19:42.33 | greycat | once sarge releases, there will be quite a lot of ext3 testing |
| 19:42.46 | dondelelcaro | frankly, if you even come close to having a speed issue with ext2, tune2fs -O dir_index |
| 19:42.46 | hcy | why do i get this when mounting my external ext3 partition? EXT2-fs warning (device sdb2): ext2_fill_super: mounting ext3 filesystem as ext2? |
| 19:42.53 | tabris|away | ext2/3 has become, by now, a single codebase that supports 20 different variants |
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| 19:43.21 | tabris|away | dondelelcaro: and htree is even less tested in ext2 |
| 19:43.26 | greycat | hcy: because your fstab says ext2? |
| 19:43.49 | hcy | greycat: nope, it says ext3 |
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| 19:45.48 | hcy | any ideas? |
| 19:46.18 | maher | hcy: try mounting it with -t ext3 |
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| 19:46.47 | valdyn | hcy: custom kernel? |
| 19:47.03 | hcy | maher: ok, that worked... weird |
| 19:47.04 | deadcat | when i use hardstatus in screen(1), the [username@hostname]:[pwd] on my terminal bar thing doesnt change anymore. caption is fine. any idea? |
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| 19:49.44 | blanci0r | sweetka |
| 19:49.47 | blanci0r | haha |
| 19:50.07 | greycat | ugh. |
| 19:50.19 | zinx | death |
| 19:50.25 | sweetka | sorry |
| 19:50.31 | greycat | sorry for what? |
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| 19:50.35 | zinx | gruesome death. |
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| 19:50.47 | sweetka | ;) |
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| 19:51.25 | greycat | not sorry. |
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| 19:52.20 | Klowner2 | this is odd, I boot the amd64 netinst cd, and it informs me of some error involving missing kernel modules |
| 19:52.47 | valdyn | !amd64 |
| 19:52.48 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
| 19:52.48 | eye69 | Klowner2: Use the Sid CD instead. |
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| 19:53.08 | vds | hi all, on my debian sid, I'm trying to use totem-gstreamer to watch divx but it always complaint I don't have decoders but I have all the gstreamer-plugins installed, which one do I need ? tnx ! |
| 19:53.10 | Klowner2 | okay |
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| 19:53.15 | eye69 | Klowner2: You can still install Sarge from it. The modules problem is known on the Sarge CD. |
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| 19:53.22 | Klowner2 | oh ok, cool |
| 19:53.25 | Klowner2 | thank you eye69 |
| 19:53.30 | valdyn | !tell vds about marillat |
| 19:53.37 | cybernout | any one around who knows acpi as well as his backpocket? |
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| 19:53.45 | eye69 | You're welcome. I installed an AMD64 today too. :) |
| 19:54.10 | valdyn | vds: gstreamer supports far less codecs "natively" than xine, so likely you need the w32codecs from marillat |
| 19:54.42 | valdyn | vds: and the appropriate gstreamer plugin, alsa from marillat |
| 19:54.49 | cybernout | i like to manually activate the fan on the motherboard |
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| 19:54.59 | vds | valdyn: thanks |
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| 19:55.33 | valdyn | vds: or just use totem-xine.. |
| 19:55.49 | vds | valdyn: I have w32codecs installed |
| 19:55.51 | tam_ | anyone know of a gui program that will handle mime types? |
| 19:56.00 | vds | totem-xine doesn't work with esd |
| 19:56.03 | greycat | a web browser. |
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| 19:56.11 | vds | valdyn: which is a bit annoying |
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| 19:56.42 | hcy | so i'll do a tune2fs -c 1 /dev/hda3 to get it to check it every time? |
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| 19:57.59 | vds | valdyn: can you suggest any codec ? |
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| 19:58.15 | valdyn | vds: nope |
| 19:58.23 | Delph | tam: rox has links to one |
| 19:59.20 | valdyn | vds: hmm, i was wrong, looks to me like gstreamer just has no plugin that supports w32 codecs.. |
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| 20:00.08 | vds | valdyn: and it seems I have also all the codec available in the marillat repository :( |
| 20:00.48 | valdyn | vds: right, so totem-gstreamer just cant play divx |
| 20:00.48 | vds | valdyn: woow :) a very useful video player :) |
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| 20:01.22 | cybernout | how do i write to /proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state ? |
| 20:01.22 | valdyn | vds: thats not totems fault. |
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| 20:01.50 | vds | valdyn: gstreamer I guess |
| 20:01.50 | valdyn | vds: are you using alsa for audio? |
| 20:01.50 | cybernout | do i do : echo /proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state? |
| 20:01.54 | vds | valdyn: yes |
| 20:02.07 | valdyn | !tell vds about dmix |
| 20:02.15 | valdyn | vds: and just dont use esd |
| 20:02.23 | abrotman | try totem-xine |
| 20:02.36 | vds | valdyn: thanks for the suggestion ! |
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| 20:05.45 | hellrazer | hi all i got a problem i want to install the knoppix cebit edition release 2005 to my harddrive |
| 20:05.57 | hellrazer | can someone help me please? |
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| 20:06.06 | cybernout | any one wanto help? |
| 20:06.18 | stew | hellrazer: wrong channel, you want #knoppix |
| 20:06.19 | GeoTube | Hey, got a problem, I need to mount my hard disk with read and write permissions for everyone so I can fix a file that corrupted. |
| 20:06.22 | cybernout | whats the problem hellrazer? |
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| 20:06.27 | hellrazer | ok thank you |
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| 20:07.08 | GeoTube | Hey |
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| 20:07.14 | valdyn | GeoTube: why the hell does everyone need rw access for a file to be fixed? |
| 20:07.26 | GeoTube | becuase, it corrupted and I needed to use a livecd |
| 20:07.39 | GeoTube | my hard drive is stuck in read-only mode |
| 20:07.44 | abrotman | a corrupted file and your machien won't boot ? |
| 20:07.48 | GeoTube | yep |
| 20:07.53 | abrotman | oh wait .. let me guess .. reiserfs ? |
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| 20:07.57 | joe|code | I am reading the Andrew E. Schulman nvidia how-to and when I attempt to apt anything nvidia, nothing is found |
| 20:08.00 | cybernout | must be mbr then...LOL |
| 20:08.09 | Delph | so you want to man mount and it's something like mount -o remount, rw .... |
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| 20:08.13 | abrotman | !tell joe|code about nvidia-one-liner |
| 20:08.23 | abrotman | !tell joe|code about nvidia one liner |
| 20:08.27 | abrotman | yay |
| 20:08.30 | martin | !quote |
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| 20:08.34 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 20:08.34 | dpkg | from memory, qotd39 is <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password |
| 20:08.38 | joe|code | abrotman, thanks. reading now |
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| 20:09.03 | Delph | after having played forever and a day with the ATI stuff and giving up, the nvidia install was so simple =:) |
| 20:09.10 | danko123456 | man |
| 20:09.13 | martin | dpkg, lol |
| 20:09.13 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. |
| 20:09.13 | abrotman | wo |
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| 20:09.32 | danko123456 | whos greycat? |
| 20:09.33 | abrotman | sharpening his hunting skills i guess |
| 20:09.37 | abrotman | !greycat |
| 20:09.37 | dpkg | from memory, greycat is at http://209.142.155.49/greycat.yi.org/ or an error-message-to-apt-get-install translation bot, or way too quick, or magical, or http://wooledge.org/~greg/ or moron #42, or better than a gigapet, or great woodleg, or a linux distro, or sometimes has too much time on his hands, or he outgrew alt.sex.binaries back before it was even alt.binaries.pictures.erotica, or he has nice furry legs, or a sweet ride |
| 20:09.44 | cybernout | how can i write a 0 to this file /proc/acpi/fan/ |
| 20:09.52 | valdyn | to bad that guy didnt show his true root p/w and that what he sais is actually true, though his example p/w sucks |
| 20:10.01 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 20:10.01 | dpkg | i heard qotd97 is [21:05:13] <MarkS> guys, just a quick poll/survey. What irc client are you using? [21:05:32] <pipeline> MarkS: Just /version #debian [21:05:54] <MarkS> oh cool... thanks pipeline. I didn't realize I could do that. |
| 20:10.14 | baphomt | cybernout: you mean echo > /proc/acpi/fan ? |
| 20:10.14 | GeoTube | Anyone got any help for my read/write access problem? |
| 20:10.17 | Delph | cybernout: echo 0 > ... |
| 20:10.24 | abrotman | GeoTube: remount it rw |
| 20:10.25 | Lee__ | trying to get a UML filesystem set up with the user-mode-linux and rootstrap packages in sid I get a kernel panic when running rootstrap after configuring rootstrap.conf |
| 20:10.30 | cybernout | okey thank you |
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| 20:10.45 | abrotman | GeoTube: which FS .. and which file ? |
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| 20:10.58 | abrotman | GeoTube: Do NOT /msg me |
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| 20:11.06 | abrotman | GeoTube: man mount |
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| 20:11.26 | Delph | GeoTube: like i said, read the mount man page, and mount with options remount,rw |
| 20:11.28 | GeoTube | well... NTFS... and the file is that gina.dll |
| 20:11.38 | martin | 0.o |
| 20:11.41 | valdyn | haha |
| 20:11.46 | GeoTube | yeah |
| 20:11.53 | Delph | oh, you're fixing a windows install? |
| 20:11.55 | jasoncohen | does the cdrecord in testing write dvd+r/rw ? |
| 20:11.56 | abrotman | GeoTube: no shit .. did you try to write to your NTFS with linux ? |
| 20:11.58 | valdyn | GeoTube: how did you manage to install debian on ntfs? |
| 20:12.00 | martin | you want to mount ntfs in write mode? |
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| 20:12.07 | abrotman | !dvdtools |
| 20:12.10 | cybernout | hehe, writing mistake , instead of proc i wrote porc, must have been what i ate.. |
| 20:12.10 | abrotman | grr .. |
| 20:12.11 | GeoTube | yes.. |
| 20:12.14 | abrotman | jasoncohen: there's a special thing |
| 20:12.14 | maher | GeoTube: you can't write to ntfs |
| 20:12.19 | GeoTube | damn |
| 20:12.24 | abrotman | GeoTube: you're a bigger idiot than i thought .. |
| 20:12.24 | Lee__ | !tell GeoTube about ntfs |
| 20:12.24 | Delph | maher: you can write to ntfs, you can't do it *properly* |
| 20:12.26 | abrotman | !ntfsrw |
| 20:12.29 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. |
| 20:12.33 | GeoTube | well now I gotta try My 2nd resort |
| 20:12.38 | GeoTube | thanks anyway guys ;) |
| 20:12.40 | abrotman | what ? |
| 20:12.40 | abrotman | reformat ? |
| 20:12.42 | GeoTube | nah |
| 20:12.44 | cybernout | capture ntfs? |
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| 20:12.50 | abrotman | use the win32 rescue crap ? |
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| 20:12.59 | cybernout | wich is expirimental...? |
| 20:12.59 | Delph | captive, i thought. |
| 20:13.08 | martin | not worth the bother |
| 20:13.10 | Delph | and has hardly any bugs left. |
| 20:13.14 | martin | unless it's vital |
| 20:13.16 | zamolxes | captive works great |
| 20:13.18 | cybernout | paragon? |
| 20:13.18 | jasoncohen | abrotman, a special thing? |
| 20:13.19 | cybernout | LOL |
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| 20:13.23 | abrotman | jasoncohen: hold on |
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| 20:13.37 | abrotman | jasoncohen: apt-cache search dvd rw |
| 20:13.38 | valdyn | cybernout: which breaks with verious win versions but works ok i guess on some |
| 20:13.39 | Seanfeld | I'm trying to setup webmin and I am getting an error saying miniserv.pem missing. Do I have to create openssl certificates before installing webmin? |
| 20:13.44 | GeoTube | well I'll try and come back if I get it working. I'm putting Debian in this asap anyway |
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| 20:13.45 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 20:13.45 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 20:13.47 | GeoTube | cyas |
| 20:13.47 | martin | i doubt any ntfs write works great unless it's microsoft |
| 20:14.03 | martin | !annoying |
| 20:14.03 | dpkg | it has been said that annoying is people who talk in ALLCAPS, or bold, or colours, for no good reason, or keep repeating their sentences, or flooding with junk, or <reply> People who run ad scripts in #debian |
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| 20:14.41 | cyrex | sup anyone can help me please what i can do to fix this ftp: setsockopt: Bad file descriptor <- after this command ftp -dinvz secure xxxxx xxx have anyone a idea ? |
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| 20:15.26 | tpr | ive forgotten how can i resetup my mouse, I dont seem to have gpm though :) |
| 20:15.37 | abrotman | !drxx tpr |
| 20:15.38 | dpkg | tpr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 20:16.15 | cyrex | or anyone can say me a other ftp client which supports ssl ? |
| 20:16.24 | cirdan | ncftp? |
| 20:16.25 | abrotman | for linux or win32 ? |
| 20:16.36 | Eclipser | apparently opengl doesn't like me, it forces 60Hz refreshrate (at least in NWN) even though I have 85Hz on all my resolutions defined in XF86Config-4 |
| 20:16.50 | tpr | abrotman hey thanks next question wouldve been how to reconfig x ;) |
| 20:16.51 | cyrex | linux console |
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| 20:17.03 | tpr | cyrex pftp? |
| 20:17.04 | Delph | cyrex: change systems, and just use sftp |
| 20:17.18 | Eclipser | or then it's NWN... tuxracer runs at 85Hz :< |
| 20:17.20 | cyrex | well thanks |
| 20:17.30 | tpr | cyrex or pftpfxp to be exacty i think |
| 20:17.37 | cirdan | Eclipser: each game can spec it's own refreshrate |
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| 20:17.51 | cirdan | check the docs/configs |
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| 20:18.00 | Eclipser | cirdan, nwn has refreshrate option in it's ini file but it doesn't seem to work :o |
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| 20:18.32 | nn | woot |
| 20:18.45 | Eclipser | abrotman, ehheh |
| 20:19.16 | madclicker | is there a way to setup "Clear Type" display for LCD monitors on XFree? |
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| 20:19.38 | calyth | can I use make-kpkg with plain kernel sources? I'm beginning to suspect there's something funny between kernel-tree-2.6.10 and my pcmcia bridge... |
| 20:19.44 | cyrex | but Delph this is with console gui :/ i need one via command line |
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| 20:19.52 | Anders1 | calyth: yes you can |
| 20:19.57 | doublehp | any one using Rox filer and e17 can tell whats his MIME type for .eapp files ? |
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| 20:20.02 | cyrex | ftp -indz gives me file discriptor error dunno why |
| 20:20.03 | calyth | Anders1: woohoo! Thanks |
| 20:20.04 | Delph | cyrex: ? |
| 20:20.08 | jasoncohen | i get "Command 'kcmshell 'k3bsetup2'' not found." when i try to run k3bsetup. any ideas? |
| 20:20.10 | Anders1 | calyth: i do it all time |
| 20:20.13 | abrotman | doublehp: isn't there an enlightenment channel ? |
| 20:20.14 | jasoncohen | it works fine in mdk with the same version of k3b |
| 20:20.18 | jasoncohen | 0.11.20 |
| 20:20.19 | cirdan | calyth: umm, debconf |
| 20:20.24 | Delph | cyrex: as i said, stop using ftp it's more than a bit broken, and start using sftp / scp |
| 20:20.39 | cirdan | err, sorry, madclicker debconf |
| 20:20.50 | greycat | I'd have to look all four of those up to see what the hell they are. |
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| 20:20.54 | cirdan | greycat: yeah, they were sneaked in :-) |
| 20:21.03 | calyth | cirdan: what about debconf |
| 20:21.09 | cirdan | calyth: wrong person |
| 20:21.10 | cirdan | :-) |
| 20:21.12 | calyth | ok |
| 20:21.29 | doublehp | abrotman: I am using Gentoo, I have plain texte, some one from #e says that Nautilus on DEbian reports "eapp document' ... I am trying to track where is the pb: due to Debian, or Gnome ... |
| 20:21.46 | abrotman | doublehp: you're using gentoo .. and blame debian and gnome ? |
| 20:21.46 | TwistedEmotions | Got a question for you... anyone know why with mplayer & gmplayer when I resize the video box the video in the center just stays the same size..? Even on full screen the original video size stays the same and the area is just surrounded by black.. |
| 20:22.03 | maher | TwistedEmotions: -zoom |
| 20:22.04 | cirdan | TwistedEmotions: read the manpage |
| 20:22.09 | charzero | what rfc defines how email addresses must be formatted? |
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| 20:22.25 | TwistedEmotions | maher: Thanks. |
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| 20:22.39 | doublehp | abrotman: not blaming, asking whether the 'eapp type' was recognised by Debian MIBE types, or Gnome custom settings, so that I can report to Gentoo properly how to patch. |
| 20:22.49 | nn | charzero: smtp check rfc-editor.org |
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| 20:23.02 | nn | err addresses |
| 20:23.07 | nn | once sec :) |
| 20:23.17 | jharrisonwk | I remember at one time that apache2 and php did not mix well |
| 20:23.20 | bbrazil | charzero: 821/2 last time I checked, probably superseded |
| 20:23.22 | jharrisonwk | is this still the case? |
| 20:23.32 | abrotman | doublehp: erm .. ask on irc.gnome.org ? .. e17 isn't in debian |
| 20:23.33 | nn | jharrisonwk: not that i've noticed |
| 20:23.40 | abrotman | i don't think it's even in experimental |
| 20:23.44 | jharrisonwk | nn: ok |
| 20:23.47 | CyL | To post something in debianuser, I only need to mail debian-user@lists? |
| 20:23.48 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: no |
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| 20:23.57 | doublehp | abrotman: double good point. |
| 20:24.14 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: so apache2 and php in debian are happy with each other now? |
| 20:24.18 | abrotman | doublehp: there's only one person in the channel i know that uses e17 |
| 20:24.25 | jasoncohen | apparently i don't have kcmshell installed which is needed to run the setup program? anyone know what this is or how to install it? |
| 20:24.27 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: it depends on a certain fork model |
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| 20:24.38 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: which one? |
| 20:24.40 | abrotman | !tell jasoncohen about search |
| 20:24.42 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: uhm |
| 20:24.44 | dawne | hey im gettin ready to do a debian ftp-install...what is the difference between dists/stable, dists/sarge, and dists/woody? i know they are like codenames but which is safest to be using, which is newer, etc? |
| 20:25.00 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 20:25.04 | cybernout | hmm, this acpi is not easy |
| 20:25.07 | jasoncohen | abrotman, tried- got nothing |
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| 20:25.42 | stew | dawne: you want sarge /msg dpkg d-i ; woody is currently stable, sarge will become stable at the end of the month |
| 20:25.50 | abrotman | !find kcmshell sarge |
| 20:25.57 | dawne | stew: allright thanks |
| 20:25.58 | abrotman | stew: speculative! |
| 20:26.04 | stew | yup |
| 20:26.08 | tpr | since this isnt my computer, I have no idea which graph card it has, wasnt there a program to possible probe for the card to get some specs? SuperProbe i remember but I cant find it/have it |
| 20:26.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kcmshell' (3): (/usr/lib/libkdeinit_kcmshell.la) in devel/kdebase-dev ;; (/usr/share/kdesdk-scripts/completions/zsh/_kcmshell) in devel/kdesdk-scripts ;; (/usr/bin/kcmshell, /usr/lib/libkdeinit_kcmshell.so, /usr/lib/kde3/{kcmshell.la|kcmshell.so}) in kde/kcontrol. |
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| 20:26.13 | abrotman | yay |
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| 20:26.46 | jasoncohen | thanks |
| 20:26.49 | cunumen | Is it safe to delete things from /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 20:27.05 | abrotman | cunumen: apt-get clean |
| 20:27.10 | liable | tpr: lspci |
| 20:27.14 | cunumen | thanks |
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| 20:27.57 | BucWheat | is make-kpkg the best way to patch kernel? I'm trying to add bootsplash |
| 20:28.27 | liable | BucWheat: no, patch is |
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| 20:28.42 | ecobit | does anyone know how to emulate a disk failure on a hardware array? just pull a disk out? |
| 20:29.01 | abrotman | ecobit: electromagnet |
| 20:29.03 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:29.05 | ecobit | haha |
| 20:29.07 | stouset | ecobit: That's not really emulating :-) |
| 20:29.11 | Delph | ecobit: short of a chisle and a hammer. |
| 20:29.15 | Delph | *chisel |
| 20:29.16 | giupy | i have my home dir in raid software0 with ext3fs and my root / in normal partition in ext3fs, when i download a compressed file in my home dir and try to decompress it, it seems to be corrupted, but when i download in / with root user, i decompress it correctly, wich can be the problem ? |
| 20:29.25 | BucWheat | liable k. thanks |
| 20:29.32 | ecobit | sure i could use a degaussing coil too |
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| 20:30.05 | stouset | abrotman: A drill through the platters can also work. |
| 20:30.13 | abrotman | stouset: that's just overkill |
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| 20:30.22 | cybernout | ah it works |
| 20:30.26 | cybernout | great... |
| 20:30.27 | stouset | abrotman: But fun! |
| 20:30.36 | cybernout | now this is really perfect |
| 20:30.38 | dawne | ummm...i need the boot floppies for the sarge ftp install though...dont see any dists/sarge/main/disks-i386 which is what i need...is it just this mirror or are there none? |
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| 20:31.01 | tpr | liable, so simple thanks :) been away for awhile |
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| 20:31.15 | liable | tpr: np |
| 20:31.19 | cybernout | got the acpi of my compaq evo n600c finally running as i like |
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| 20:31.28 | ecobit | dawne, did you check the debian installer page maybe? |
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| 20:31.32 | cybernout | with a minimal hack |
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| 20:32.10 | dawne | debian installer? you mean dists/sarge/main/debian-installer? |
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| 20:32.29 | nn | yay |
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| 20:32.51 | BucWheat | do you need ACPI for desktops? |
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| 20:33.01 | stouset | BucWheat: It's nice to have. |
| 20:33.05 | BucWheat | or is it just for notebooks and things with batteries |
| 20:33.12 | dawne | so there's a diff. installer for sarge then? does it support ftp installs? |
| 20:33.20 | stouset | BucWheat: It's for anything that has ACPI support. |
| 20:33.20 | suifur | dawne: yes |
| 20:33.20 | shakparl | net-inst! |
| 20:33.30 | BucWheat | k |
| 20:33.30 | suifur | !d-i |
| 20:33.30 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 20:33.40 | stouset | BucWheat: Fans, Buttons, Processor Speed, etc., are all part of ACPI. Not just batteries. |
| 20:33.43 | abrotman | are there any OSS alternatives to webex ? |
| 20:33.48 | dawne | allright, ill read up some |
| 20:33.54 | nn | Got my debian source mirror set up to stay up to date (via debmirror and apt-move), got apt-build building my packages, and then my shell script arranging it all into what i need :) |
| 20:34.20 | nn | some bugs to iron out, particularly version control on the alternate packages |
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| 20:34.39 | tot | is there a way to rebuild the woody iso so that the megaraid module doesn't have to be loaded from floppy disk during install? |
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| 20:34.51 | BucWheat | stouset k. |
| 20:35.00 | knt | is it possible to colorize make/compile output? |
| 20:35.01 | BucWheat | where is console drivers at in menuconfig for 2.6.x kernels? |
| 20:35.08 | abrotman | tot: yes |
| 20:35.14 | BucWheat | i'm trying to compile kernel for bootsplash :) |
| 20:35.22 | BucWheat | and i'm following the instructions at bootsplash.org |
| 20:35.24 | tot | abrotman: awesome, I'm assuming I just have to find where the other modules are on the cd, right? |
| 20:35.35 | nn | knt: sure, color-gcc |
| 20:35.37 | cureless | knt: apt-get install colorgcc |
| 20:35.46 | abrotman | tot: that's kind of one way .. another is to replace the kernel on the install CD |
| 20:35.48 | nn | ahh colorgcc, my mistake |
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| 20:35.58 | tot | abrotman: good idea, thanks a lot! |
| 20:36.00 | ryan` | does anyone know why there's no qmail-src package for testing? |
| 20:36.05 | abrotman | !tell tot about custom netinst |
| 20:36.10 | PerfDave | !why is qmail-src not in testing |
| 20:36.11 | dpkg | qmail-src is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=qmail-src |
| 20:36.12 | cureless | nn: you're just planning for the future of apt-get fuzzyness feature |
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| 20:36.14 | abrotman | !info qmail-src sarge |
| 20:36.25 | abrotman | !find qmail sarge |
| 20:36.27 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'qmail' (6): masqmail ;; phpgroupware-qmailldap ;; qmail-qfilter ;; qmailanalog-installer ;; qmailmrtg7 ;; webmin-qmailadmin. |
| 20:36.36 | abrotman | oh well .. gues sit sucks .. use postfix |
| 20:36.38 | knt | nn, cureless: thanks so much! |
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| 20:36.53 | ryan` | hmm |
| 20:37.00 | cureless | knt: color errors are still errors :) |
| 20:37.31 | nn | cureless: lol |
| 20:37.36 | DoktorTomoe | Hi. If I am compiling source for kde programs, they are put to /usr/local/kde/bin instead of /usr/local. How can I achieve that they are put to /usr/bin ? |
| 20:37.39 | nn | cureless: that really wouldnt be hard |
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| 20:38.02 | ryan` | what is meant by 'has no old version in testing'? that it's not in testing because it was never in testing? |
| 20:38.03 | cureless | nn: hard is probably not the problem, but undertermined behaviour is not good in such a tool. |
| 20:38.11 | jasoncohen | abrotman, i dont get this. my slocate db shows kcmshell so i must have had it yesterday. I haven't uninstalled any kde packages but i still don't have it. i also installed kdebase-dev |
| 20:38.14 | cureless | nn: though maybe a confirmation dialog could solve that. |
| 20:38.32 | PerfDave | DoktorTomoe: If you're compiling stuff by hand, you *want* it to go into /usr/local. /msg dpkg usrlocal |
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| 20:38.44 | nn | cureless: Yea, easily :) |
| 20:39.01 | DoktorTomoe | PerfDave: That may indeed be the case, but how can I run them without entering the whole path? |
| 20:39.01 | nn | just show possible alternative names of packages |
| 20:39.10 | nn | only for cache misses |
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| 20:39.20 | PerfDave | DoktorTomoe: Set your PATH environment variable to include the directory they're in? |
| 20:39.21 | cureless | DoktorTomoe: change your PATH |
| 20:39.34 | nn | if an exact named package exists, install it, otherwise show alternatives based on fuzzy search ;) |
| 20:39.52 | cureless | DoktorTomoe: and maybe LD_LIBRARY_PATH and MANPATH |
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| 20:40.15 | nn | wonder what a good fuzzy match implimentation to use for it would be.. |
| 20:40.28 | cureless | nn: the problem is, we don't really want apt-get to depend on many things, a fuzzy match library being one of them. |
| 20:40.35 | cureless | nn: so it would need to be compiled in. |
| 20:40.43 | nn | cureless: yea, just a small fuzzy match :) |
| 20:40.45 | dabaSlon_schl | DoktorTomoe: export PATH='$PATH: /usr/local/kde/bin' |
| 20:40.55 | nn | wouldn't have to be big at all |
| 20:40.57 | cureless | nn: or another tool called apt-fuzzy or something called by apt-get finstall |
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| 20:41.05 | dabaSlon_schl | ha |
| 20:41.06 | nn | brb |
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| 20:41.34 | dabaSlon_schl | DoktorTomoe: export PATH="$PATH: /usr/local/kde/bin" |
| 20:41.51 | dabaSlon_schl | put that into your shell rc file. |
| 20:42.05 | cureless | assuming your shell uses export |
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| 20:42.34 | DoktorTomoe | hm, that sould be .bashrc, shouldn't it? |
| 20:42.49 | cureless | and you probably want it the other way around if you want it to override the other things in the path. |
| 20:42.58 | zophyx | knt: a config file for make that would determine ncurses based colorization for makes output would be marvelous |
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| 20:43.12 | zophyx | i have 698 sexonds of lag |
| 20:43.16 | zophyx | or more |
| 20:43.32 | stouset | zophyx: Impressive. |
| 20:43.34 | cureless | how much is a sexond? |
| 20:43.38 | liable | downloading pr0n? |
| 20:44.12 | stouset | cureless: He was lagging so bad, the c redshifted into an x |
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| 20:44.14 | liable | hehe, wait for the answer in 5 mins |
| 20:44.22 | dabaSlon_schl | DoktorTomoe: there are several, but yes, that could well be one of them. |
| 20:44.31 | cureless | lol |
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| 20:45.13 | nn | i get so much <33 |
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| 20:46.02 | crashbg | i want to apply 2.6.11.10 - do i have to use 2.6.11.0 or 2.6.11.9? |
| 20:46.26 | nn | New message from "Alyx the Terrible <alyx@deadchicks.net>", subject: "I will kill you." |
| 20:46.28 | nn | yay |
| 20:46.47 | greycat | go spam go. |
| 20:46.50 | sparr_ | if a package's menu file provides no hints, what would be the appropriate way to suggest some? email the maintainer? submit a 'bug'? |
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| 20:47.11 | helppls | I want http://ip/bob to show /home/bob/public_html/index.html on my web server. |
| 20:47.11 | stouset | greycat: Wow, spammers are getting more aggressive. "If you don't open this mail, your family will die, abrotman." |
| 20:47.13 | cureless | sparr_: bug's fine. |
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| 20:47.24 | helppls | So anytime I adduser someone...they automatically have a subdirectory the same as their username. |
| 20:47.26 | helppls | Is that possible/ |
| 20:47.34 | stouset | helppls: Yes. |
| 20:47.40 | greycat | helppls: ask #apache |
| 20:47.45 | bbrazil | helppls: normally its /~bob/ |
| 20:47.48 | stouset | helppls: The company I work for is doing that. I don't remember how, but it's doing it. |
| 20:47.54 | helppls | greycat no one answers me |
| 20:47.56 | sparr_ | Debian's ancient email-based bug system has actually convinced me to install a MTA |
| 20:47.59 | jasoncohen | abrotman, lol, i should really stay away from experimental packages. those kde 3.4 libs that came from installing juk apparently deleted kcmshell. i did an apt-get install --reinstall kcontrol and now kcmshell (and k3bsetup) work |
| 20:48.17 | stouset | jasoncohen: The GNOME 2.10 packages in Experimental work fine :-) |
| 20:48.18 | bbrazil | helppls: mod_userdir does that, if you don't like the ~ loo at mod_rewrite - but it will break stuff in this case |
| 20:48.33 | PerfDave | Debian's e-mail based bug system stops people reporting stupid bugs ;) |
| 20:48.34 | nn | stouset: nawh it sjust an angry ex |
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| 20:48.37 | cureless | helppls: what are you asking? How to have ~usernames or how to automatically have it created when you adduser a user? |
| 20:48.56 | punsad__ | what's the earliest kernel that will support USB2.0? |
| 20:48.58 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:49.06 | kalango | BOA NOITE A TODOS |
| 20:49.18 | lee | every time I compile a kernel, I get a message like "hex kernel: Critical temperature reached (105 C), shutting down.", how can I either adjust what's seen as a critical temp, or make it compile slower so the machine doesn't shut down? |
| 20:49.21 | csorrell | Can someone help me figure out how to get IPVS in my debian kernel?..without going source. |
| 20:49.26 | stouset | nn: An angry ex who mass-mailed it to seventeen million email addresses via a trojan installed on a bunch of people's workstation |
| 20:49.34 | punsad__ | I read that 2.4.18 will not support USB2.0? Is that right? |
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| 20:49.39 | liable | kalango: /j #debian-br |
| 20:49.41 | bbrazil | lee: if thats your temperatue, you've got bigger problems |
| 20:49.45 | nn | stouset: Kinky. |
| 20:49.51 | drac | punsad__: IIRC, that is correct. |
| 20:49.53 | abrotman | jasoncohen: yeah .. experimental does bad stuff |
| 20:49.54 | kingsley | Why would a pop3 email server named "dovecot-pop3d" need to be configured to know where any user mail files reside besides the incoming mbox in /var/mail/<username>? |
| 20:49.58 | lee | bbrazil: I suspect something is lying |
| 20:50.12 | abrotman | !lart VPN |
| 20:50.13 | kalango | COME RIR |
| 20:50.16 | bbrazil | lee: what does the bios say for the temp, half that by any chance? |
| 20:50.16 | lee | although saying that, the machine won't turn on for a few minutes afterwards, so maybe it really is overheating |
| 20:50.18 | kalango | COMOM |
| 20:50.23 | punsad__ | drac:If I'm running woody, any reccomendation on which kernel to use to get usb2.0 working? |
| 20:50.24 | abrotman | !pt |
| 20:50.24 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:50.37 | greycat | kingsley: perhaps for "folders" of user-saved messages. Dunno. |
| 20:50.37 | kingsley | dovecot's config file evidently needs to be told about ~<username>/mail. |
| 20:50.48 | bbrazil | lee: 'nice' will slow it down a bit |
| 20:50.54 | jasoncohen | abrotman, lol, it actually worked better than expected. I think the troubles were caused by backtracking to 3.3.2 |
| 20:51.00 | PerfDave | nn: Then install another MTA :) |
| 20:51.08 | drac | punsad__: 2.4.30 |
| 20:51.12 | kalango | OK |
| 20:51.13 | lee | bbrazil: what nice value would you recommend? or anything else you'd suggest? |
| 20:51.15 | jasoncohen | the only bug i found was a lack of shadowed icon text which was fixed by going back to 3.3.2. i'm going to report it to KDE |
| 20:51.39 | bbrazil | lee: default, I'd start looking into that temp. how hot does the inside of the case feel? |
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| 20:51.59 | liable | dusty :) |
| 20:52.05 | punsad__ | drac: downloading it now... I see that that's the most recent 2.4 kernel |
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| 20:52.15 | stouset | You know, I have to say, there has been some good in them adding the .info, .biz, etc TLDs. |
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| 20:52.33 | stouset | You can block emails from them and be 100% sure you're not missing anything important =P |
| 20:52.46 | cureless | so what's the good part? |
| 20:52.47 | kalango | OK/ |
| 20:52.52 | lee | bbrazil: fairly warm, it's a laptop, so I can't really get inside the case... the section of keyboard above the CPU is warm but not hot to the touch |
| 20:53.01 | cureless | before you didn't have to block those domains cause the didn't exist. |
| 20:53.24 | phogg | stouset: I find flagging all .tw as spam helps, too |
| 20:53.27 | bbrazil | lee: that was my next question, does it dual boot windows by any chance? |
| 20:53.39 | drac | punsad__: yeh, why compile an old one :) this one has 'usb-ehci', support for usb 2.0. |
| 20:53.40 | cpjvelde | can anyone advice me. I;ve built a new 2.6.11.10 kernel, but i cant get my usb mouse to work..... |
| 20:53.50 | drac | cpjvelde: modprobe mousedev, modprobe usbhid |
| 20:53.54 | lee | bbrazil: yes it does |
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| 20:54.08 | drac | cpjvelde: /dev/input/mice |
| 20:54.24 | stouset | phogg: Hell, just about anything besides .net, .com, .org, and .uk are disposable =P |
| 20:54.32 | kalango | @ |
| 20:54.45 | kalango | ESTOU COM DIFICULDADES AAQUI |
| 20:54.47 | abrotman | !pt |
| 20:54.47 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:54.48 | cpjvelde | my usb mouse IS working when booting my other kernel....so should i add another kernel option |
| 20:54.49 | kalango | DESCUPE-ME |
| 20:54.51 | kalango | HELP |
| 20:54.53 | abrotman | kalango: /j #debian-br |
| 20:55.05 | cureless | cpjvelde: is it your first 2.6 compile? |
| 20:55.09 | bbrazil | lee: try either the temperature monitor that came with your system or 'motherboard monitor', and try to do as heavy stuff as possible and see if the temp hit 100C |
| 20:55.12 | stouset | !tell kalagno about br |
| 20:55.13 | liable | cpjvelde: /msg dpkg usb mouse |
| 20:55.21 | cpjvelde | well i havent managed to get it working completely |
| 20:55.24 | cpjvelde | once |
| 20:56.39 | dabaSlon_schl | !tell kalango about br |
| 20:56.41 | dabaSlon_schl | ha |
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| 20:56.52 | bbrazil | lee: if it does turn out to be sensors misconfiguerd on the linux side see /etc/sensors.conf |
| 20:56.53 | cpjvelde | should i put on hotplug in my kernel...would that have anything to do with it? |
| 20:57.21 | jasoncohen | abrotman, i think the cdrecord package has dvd burning support |
| 20:57.25 | jasoncohen | abrotman, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/c/cdrtools/cdrtools_2.01+01a01-4/changelog |
| 20:57.39 | jasoncohen | there are numerous references to the dvd patch |
| 20:57.46 | drac | cpjvelde: You'll need an support of mousedev, in section 'input devices' and from section 'usb' at least usb hid. |
| 20:58.00 | drac | cpjvelde: uhci/ohci for usb 1.1, ehci for 2.0. |
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| 20:58.26 | cureless | cpjvelde: try the debian compiled kernel first, see if you can get it working there. Then try it on your kernel. |
| 20:58.27 | cpjvelde | can i choose ehci AND uhci for example? |
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| 20:58.43 | stouset | cpjvelde: Just make everything a module. |
| 20:58.51 | cpjvelde | hehehe |
| 20:58.59 | stouset | cpjvelde: Let something like hotplug or discover figure out what you need. |
| 20:59.20 | kalango | HELP NOVAMENTE |
| 20:59.25 | cpjvelde | stouset, does my computer have a hotplug controller then? |
| 20:59.36 | stouset | kalango: Shut up. We've already told you about #debian-br. |
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| 21:00.02 | stouset | cpjvelde: Erm, huh? Hotplug is a package that automagically figures out what modules you need loaded to support your insatlled hardware, and loads them. |
| 21:00.04 | kalango | OK |
| 21:00.22 | kalango | WAIT STOP PLESE |
| 21:00.24 | sparr_ | this is a package-specific question, so I will probably have to file a bug, but perhaps someone here has encountered it. the menu-methods script for my wm (openbox) seems to have a bug where it discards submenus with the same name as a non-submenu item. suggestions? |
| 21:00.26 | kalango | TANKS |
| 21:00.30 | cpjvelde | ow i was referring to the pci hotplug stuff in the kernel configuration |
| 21:01.02 | jasoncohen | does anyone know if the cdrecord package included with debian testing/unstable actually does support DVD burning? |
| 21:01.26 | stouset | sparr_: File a bug in BTS :-) |
| 21:01.40 | stouset | jasoncohen: I believe so. |
| 21:01.58 | jasoncohen | lol, no one has tried? |
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| 21:02.08 | _me_ | jasoncohen: ya i burned two cd's last night |
| 21:02.10 | sparr_ | stouset: well, i was hoping i could find someone to reproduce it beforehand |
| 21:02.11 | cureless | jasoncohen: I use k3b. |
| 21:02.11 | jasoncohen | well, i guess there's no need to dl new linux isos |
| 21:02.29 | jasoncohen | cureless, ever burn a DVD with k3b in debian? |
| 21:02.36 | cureless | jasoncohen: multiple/ |
| 21:02.37 | cureless | . |
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| 21:02.52 | cureless | for example... 2 days ago. |
| 21:02.54 | jasoncohen | ok, that's what i wanted to know- and you used cdrecord, right? |
| 21:02.58 | stouset | sparr_: I know. Sorry I can't help.' |
| 21:02.58 | _me_ | jasoncohen: if you use K3b it used cdrecord transparently |
| 21:03.00 | Gokee2 | hey all how do I play a dvd? I have both a cdrom driv and dvd drive and I can not seem to figur out where to tell gmplayer to look for the dvd |
| 21:03.14 | jasoncohen | _me_, yeah, i just wasn't sure if debian's cdrecord had the dvd patch |
| 21:03.34 | doleyb | jasoncohen: the package is dvdrecord |
| 21:03.42 | cureless | jasoncohen: k3b uses a mixture of cdrecord, cdrdao and the dvd tools |
| 21:03.44 | oi-polloi | how do i update all the packages on sarge with apt-get |
| 21:03.45 | Gokee2 | I have tries /dev/dvd /dev/cdrom /dev/cdrom1 and /dev/cdrom0 |
| 21:04.01 | abrotman | jasoncohen: dunno .. no dvdrw here :) |
| 21:04.12 | jasoncohen | cureless, thanks |
| 21:04.13 | cureless | jasoncohen: dvdrtools, dvd+rw-tools, udftools |
| 21:04.16 | lainard | how to setting screen resolution to 1024* from 600x800 i have nvidia Gforce FX video card but i can not set it to 1024 |
| 21:04.35 | lainard | anyone can help pleease.. |
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| 21:04.42 | liable | Gokee2: can you see it, from console, or from a file browser? is it mounted? |
| 21:04.49 | lee | bbrazil: this is using "nice make-kpkg etc" with the default value of 10,: |
| 21:04.51 | lee | lee@hex:~$ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 21:04.52 | lee | temperature: 75 C |
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| 21:05.21 | jasoncohen | cureless, i see dvd+rw-tools and udftools but not dvdrtools |
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| 21:05.32 | jasoncohen | nevermind |
| 21:06.02 | Gokee2 | liable, no I could not seem to mount it because it wanted to know a filesistem |
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| 21:06.15 | cpjvelde | huh, there's no checkbox in front of mousedev option in the kernel config program :S |
| 21:06.17 | bbrazil | lee: I've got nothing to compare that against, but laptops can be quite weird, try the lm-sensors package to see if it gives a 'better' value |
| 21:06.33 | cureless | cpjvelde: why are you compiling your own kernel? |
| 21:06.34 | oi-polloi | how do i update all the packages on sarge with apt-get |
| 21:06.47 | cpjvelde | cureless, i want to try it ofcourse, why not |
| 21:06.49 | cpjvelde | its fun |
| 21:06.50 | cureless | oi-polloi: set apt sources to sarge, then dist-upgrade |
| 21:07.00 | lainard | how to setting screen resolution to 1024* from 600x800 i have nvidia Gforce FX video card but i can not set it to 1024 |
| 21:07.03 | jasoncohen | cureless, did you have to do anything to prepare the burner or did k3b do it automatically? |
| 21:07.06 | liable | Gokee2: -t iso? |
| 21:07.07 | oi-polloi | ta! cureless |
| 21:07.38 | cureless | jasoncohen: automatically, I even moved my dvdrw to a firewire external enclosure and it was just plug and play. |
| 21:07.44 | Gokee2 | liable, O ok |
| 21:07.47 | cureless | or plug and burn/ |
| 21:07.48 | jasoncohen | cool, very nice |
| 21:07.48 | cureless | . |
| 21:07.51 | jasoncohen | thanks for your help cureless |
| 21:08.03 | osity | anyone know how to help out setup raid 1 on 2 drives and have it boot? |
| 21:08.10 | osity | software 1 |
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| 21:08.52 | Gokee2 | liable, mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso' |
| 21:09.24 | billy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:09.28 | liable | hehe, that was a guess |
| 21:09.33 | jasoncohen | what's the point of the jigdo DVD images? |
| 21:09.35 | cureless | jasoncohen: the command line tool you might be looking for is growisofs btw, (dvd+rw-tools) |
| 21:09.44 | Gokee2 | billy, ty all try that |
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| 21:10.02 | jasoncohen | it seems the preferred method of install is netinstall |
| 21:10.04 | jerome | evening all |
| 21:10.06 | cureless | jasoncohen: don't burn debian for 1 install, just use a net install |
| 21:10.08 | BucWheat | anyone successful in installing bootsplash with sarge 2.6.8-debian kernel? |
| 21:10.15 | rue_mohr | who would be kind enough to tell me if there are packages available to combine spamassasin, sendmail, with milter??? |
| 21:10.20 | jasoncohen | cureless, that's what i did |
| 21:10.25 | BucWheat | i'm trying to do so now following instructions from bootsplash.org |
| 21:10.30 | petemc | rue_mohr: apt-cache search would |
| 21:10.31 | rue_mohr | from what I can tell, you have to custom compile |
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| 21:10.38 | jasoncohen | i then made a package list and cloned my system |
| 21:10.46 | BucWheat | and the kernel build failed when i tried to make bootsplash (i enabled this in kernel) |
| 21:10.51 | rue_mohr | petemc, I'v been all over apt, from what I can tell, you have to custom compile |
| 21:10.51 | jasoncohen | still only had to download 1 GB |
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| 21:10.53 | BucWheat | i'm rebuilding kernel now with this disabled |
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| 21:10.54 | Gokee2 | Yay that seems to work but now I can not find what /dev thing to mount |
| 21:10.55 | cureless | what's milter? |
| 21:11.02 | rue_mohr | its a mail filter |
| 21:11.14 | rue_mohr | I think its glue for sapmassasin and sendmial |
| 21:11.32 | rue_mohr | petemc, do you know if I'm right? |
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| 21:11.39 | petemc | rue_mohr: i dont, i use exim |
| 21:11.43 | rue_mohr | http://www.uk-dave.com/tutorials/linux/spamassassin.shtml |
| 21:11.43 | cureless | rue_mohr: isnt procmail easier? |
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| 21:12.00 | billy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.05 | rue_mohr | we have to use features in sendmail |
| 21:12.09 | jerome | I can't read a cdr I burnt a while ago, even on many cd drive/writer, any hints to get it back ? |
| 21:12.24 | cureless | rue_mohr: we? use the features? like what m4 macros? |
| 21:12.24 | jerome | !ops br_uk_to is a spam bot |
| 21:12.26 | billy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: br_uk_to is a spam bot |
| 21:12.31 | jasoncohen | cureless, and the nice thing about a net install is you can use unofficial sources like marillat so you dont' have to worry about all the multimedia/non-free stuff later |
| 21:12.40 | doleyb | jerome: get 900 jigawatts into the flux capacitor |
| 21:12.42 | petemc | rue_mohr: spamass-milter looks promising |
| 21:12.50 | cureless | jasoncohen: you can always just add that later. |
| 21:12.51 | rue_mohr | cureless, good question, I'm being asked to put it togethor in debian, I didn't design the system |
| 21:13.02 | jerome | doleyb: hu |
| 21:13.08 | rue_mohr | petemc, do you have any exotic sources??? |
| 21:13.13 | Gokee2 | billy, ok what dev thing is dvd? |
| 21:13.18 | jasoncohen | yeah, but i like getting it done in one shot |
| 21:13.19 | cureless | rue_mohr: Just use procmail. |
| 21:13.21 | petemc | rue_mohr: nope |
| 21:13.23 | zophyx | hi |
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| 21:13.31 | rue_mohr | I cant just use procmail |
| 21:13.35 | petemc | rue_mohr: thats in main |
| 21:13.41 | rue_mohr | its not my system |
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| 21:13.56 | petemc | rue_mohr: using woody? |
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| 21:14.01 | rue_mohr | testing |
| 21:14.11 | cureless | rue_mohr: switch from testing to sarge. |
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| 21:14.23 | jasoncohen | how do you remove a package and its unused dependencies? |
| 21:14.24 | billy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.33 | rue_mohr | the only spama* package I have is spamassasin |
| 21:14.37 | rue_mohr | according to dselect |
| 21:14.46 | cureless | rue_mohr: apt-cache search milter |
| 21:14.52 | petemc | rue_mohr: ive got a sarge box that has it |
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| 21:15.05 | rue_mohr | odd |
| 21:15.12 | rue_mohr | should I just give up on dselect? |
| 21:15.25 | rue_mohr | it never seems to show all the packages |
| 21:15.26 | cureless | rue_mohr: yes. |
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| 21:15.30 | rue_mohr | ok, done |
| 21:15.40 | petemc | rue_mohr: s/testing/sarge/g in sources.list ; apt-get update |
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| 21:15.57 | rue_mohr | :) I was told to use testing |
| 21:16.00 | Gokee2 | billy, /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0: p1 p2 p3 < p5 p6 > p4 Adding 979904k swap on /dev/hdb5. Priority:-1 extents:1 Adding 979904k swap on /dev/hdb6. Priority:-2 extents:1 |
| 21:16.07 | petemc | rue_mohr: its the same thing atm |
| 21:16.08 | joe|code | where are the contrib and non free repositories to be found? |
| 21:16.09 | rue_mohr | I'm just a set of fingers, no brians |
| 21:16.13 | cureless | rue_mohr: now you're being told to "rename" your testing to the true name of sarge |
| 21:16.23 | rue_mohr | oh heh, sorry |
| 21:16.27 | rue_mohr | yes, your right |
| 21:16.32 | rue_mohr | why? |
| 21:16.39 | cureless | you won't want to be in testing in a few months |
| 21:16.56 | abrotman | !ops br_uk_to <br_uk_to> NEW bRuTaL ScRipT , bulgarian & english for windows http://brutal.uk.to ! THE BEST ! |
| 21:16.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: br_uk_to <br_uk_to> NEW bRuTaL ScRipT , bulgarian & english for windows http://brutal.uk.to ! THE BEST ! |
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| 21:17.23 | PerfDave | abrotman: Cheers for exposing us all to the spam ;) |
| 21:17.25 | cureless | joe|code: same place as the others. |
| 21:17.30 | abrotman | PerfDave: i'm just showing the ops dman it! |
| 21:17.43 | PerfDave | abrotman: Riight. |
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| 21:17.50 | abrotman | helix: thank you |
| 21:17.58 | qumran | Hi. I would be very happy if anyone could know what's wrong. I recently installed Sarge with net installer, have used Woody and upgraded to Sarge before. My problem is that i can't chose ALSA in multimedia systems selector in Gnome. ALSA does work with XMMS for example. |
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| 21:18.32 | qumran | There isn't even ALSA as a choice in multimedia systems selector. Only OSS and custom |
| 21:18.41 | CyL | How do I find what build I'm using? |
| 21:19.02 | cureless | CyL: it's called a computer. |
| 21:19.02 | Gokee2 | billy, so what did did dmesg | grep /dev do me? |
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| 21:19.21 | cureless | CyL: seriously, build of what? |
| 21:19.33 | abrotman | qumran: i think you're missing the OSS compatibility stuff |
| 21:19.44 | CyL | cureless: My sarge build... |
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| 21:19.58 | cureless | CyL: so build of what? like what day? or what? |
| 21:20.00 | BucWheat | i get this when trying to ftp into my box: No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it. |
| 21:20.06 | billy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.07 | rue_mohr | petemc, thanks for the fish :) |
| 21:20.11 | CyL | cureless: yeap.. what week was it build... |
| 21:20.14 | BucWheat | i have vsftpd started and local users are enabled to login so what gives? |
| 21:20.18 | qumran | abrotman, ahhhh .... doh! that sounds like it ... :) Gonna look into now .. thnx |
| 21:20.24 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:20.32 | rue_mohr | cureless, thanks for hitting me with a fishing rod again :) |
| 21:20.39 | cureless | CyL: when was the last time you updated? |
| 21:20.50 | cureless | rue_mohr: no prob, that's why we're here for. |
| 21:20.53 | CyL | cureless: I catched it on ftp.debian.org, and they told it was build upon a weekly base |
| 21:20.55 | drp | what's a good command line utility to extract iso's |
| 21:21.07 | petemc | drp: mount -o loop |
| 21:21.13 | CyL | cureless: I reinstalled from cd yesterday, and never updated |
| 21:21.28 | cureless | CyL: update it, it'll be todays "build". |
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| 21:21.48 | Tsunami | hi all |
| 21:22.19 | CyL | cureless: I'm posting something to debian-user, possibly a bug, I would like to know what build I'm using, so I can be more informative |
| 21:22.29 | Tsunami | how can i configure an opti card in a debian 3.0 woody ? |
| 21:22.35 | Gokee2 | billy, will a dvd work or do I need a cd? |
| 21:22.37 | cureless | CyL: is it a bug on a package? |
| 21:22.43 | CyL | cureless: mount |
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| 21:23.19 | Gokee2 | billy, Gokee2:/mnt# mount -t ios9660 /dev/hdd /mnt/dvd mount: unknown filesystem type 'ios9660' |
| 21:23.21 | cureless | CyL: dpkg --list mount |
| 21:23.23 | jp- | i'm trying to figure out how i can store copies of outgoing mail for certain users using postfix, is this even possible? |
| 21:23.31 | CyL | cureless: mount is part o the base system package, right? |
| 21:23.35 | dabaSlon_reallys | hah |
| 21:23.37 | BucWheat | c'mon someone please help me out why can't i connect via ftp? i can ssh just fine |
| 21:23.42 | cureless | CyL: mount is part of the mount package. |
| 21:23.42 | CyL | cureless: thanks |
| 21:23.42 | BucWheat | No connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it. is the error |
| 21:23.50 | BucWheat | ps aux doesn't show any firewalls running |
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| 21:23.53 | PerfDave | jp-: Would it not be better to do that at the MTA level |
| 21:23.53 | PerfDave | ? |
| 21:23.56 | PerfDave | jp-: MUA even |
| 21:24.06 | billy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.15 | moi_ | hey, is there any chance on watching a movie flawlessly with my 350mhz / 128 mb ram. i'm running debian / xine at the moment... |
| 21:24.25 | maher | BucWheat: check its listening with netstat -pant on the server |
| 21:24.31 | petemc | jp-: fwiw, thats easy to do with exim :) |
| 21:24.32 | billy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.43 | jp- | PerfDave: that's how i'm doing it now, but the problem of 'incompetence' (sp?) comes in to play with employees who are not responsible and delete stuff they shouldn't delete. |
| 21:24.53 | cureless | jp-: it's probably possible, but why not do it at the MUA level like PerfDave said? |
| 21:25.05 | Gokee2 | billy, Gokee2:/mnt# mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /mnt/dvd mount: No medium found |
| 21:25.15 | Gokee2 | billy, t -t ios9660? |
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| 21:25.15 | BucWheat | maher i also get this: 500 OOPS: cap_set_proc |
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| 21:25.28 | BucWheat | 500 OOPS: vsf_sysutil_recv_peek |
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| 21:25.46 | jp- | because the users have control over the client, i'm trying to come up with a solution that no matter what they do, there is always a copy available. |
| 21:25.52 | BucWheat | maher what was that command again i got kicked and missed it :( |
| 21:26.03 | maher | BucWheat: netstat -pant |
| 21:26.06 | jp- | no matter what client, no matter what they delete on their systems. :) |
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| 21:26.21 | Tsunami | how can i configure an opti card in a debian 3.0 woody kernel 2.2.20idepci? |
| 21:26.31 | Gokee2 | billy, mount: /dev/hde is not a valid block device |
| 21:27.11 | BucWheat | maher yea vsftpd is listening on 0:0:0:0:21 |
| 21:27.34 | BucWheat | maher shouldn't that be 127.0.0.1:21 ? |
| 21:27.37 | cureless | jp-: google for it. It might already exist as an option. Otherwise you can create a simple interface and configure it in master.cf as a filter. |
| 21:27.53 | BucWheat | maher? apache2 is on 127.0.0.1:80 |
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| 21:28.10 | moi_ | hey, is there any chance on watching a movie flawlessly with my 350mhz / 128 mb ram. i'm running debian / xine... it's a mpeg |
| 21:28.28 | ryan` | moi_: mpeg2? |
| 21:28.59 | moi_ | ryan`, mh don't know that, it just ends with mpg <-- (not mpeg sry) |
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| 21:29.32 | ryan` | moi_, it should be ok. though i usualy use mplayer. |
| 21:29.37 | Gokee2 | er I don`t know |
| 21:29.39 | BucWheat | moi_ you should be ashamed for d/l'ing star wars ep3 i bet the quality is going to suck |
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| 21:29.45 | BucWheat | moi_ watch it in the theatres :) |
| 21:30.19 | ryan` | pfft. |
| 21:30.25 | tarzeau | are ansi control codes not used in stderr? |
| 21:30.32 | PerfDave | moi_: HAve you got DMA enabled on your drive? |
| 21:30.36 | ryan` | george lucas can bite my ass. |
| 21:30.51 | ryan` | tarzeau, ansi codes work on stderr. |
| 21:30.56 | moi_ | BucWheat, heh, i never would watch such a movie with my damn 15" screen |
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| 21:31.05 | moi_ | i'm going tomorrow that's for sure |
| 21:31.14 | moi_ | PerfDave, DMA?! hm let me check |
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| 21:32.21 | cureless | Do you thing the Death Star runs some form of Linux? |
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| 21:32.41 | ryan` | no, it runs Xenix. |
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| 21:32.59 | cureless | I don't think the empire would pay for a Xenix license. |
| 21:33.11 | Quag7 | I almost got the snot beaten out of me for wrecking a Xenix system |
| 21:33.12 | cureless | I just assume they wouldn't follow the GPL. |
| 21:33.16 | ryan` | why would they pay? |
| 21:33.22 | Quag7 | Xenix still causes me post traumatic stress disorder. |
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| 21:33.26 | PerfDave | "I find your lack of site licensing... disturbing." |
| 21:33.33 | billy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.38 | moi_ | PerfDave, hm seems as if it's enabled: using_dma = 1 (on) |
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| 21:33.53 | moi_ | ryan`, you think mplayer can do it better?! |
| 21:34.00 | billy | s/dvive/device/g |
| 21:34.07 | moi_ | or maybe i can trick it with some "nice" command? |
| 21:34.10 | Gokee2 | billy, ok thank you |
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| 21:34.29 | cureless | moi_: sure, run mplayer with the ascii output plugin. |
| 21:34.42 | moi_ | f*ck, that 350 mhz box is way too slow |
| 21:35.06 | moi_ | cureless, i'm not gonna watch characters though |
| 21:35.16 | wallflower | you guys know any mirrors hosting the dvd image of woody? |
| 21:35.31 | cureless | moi_: so you don't like blinkenlights? |
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| 21:36.05 | cureless | wallflower: no, but you could just use jigdo. |
| 21:36.06 | moi_ | cureless, what can i say?! i want to watch it in color mode & flawlessly, that's all |
| 21:36.17 | cureless | moi_: at 350Mhz? |
| 21:36.20 | moi_ | but it seems as my hardware is to bad then |
| 21:36.41 | cureless | moi_: unless you have a hardware decoder it'll be hard to see it "flawlessly". |
| 21:36.54 | wallflower | whats jigdo |
| 21:36.54 | moi_ | ryan` just mentioned it shouldn't be a problem.. but i know it myself.. seems as i've to spend some money though |
| 21:37.01 | wallflower | something like torrents? |
| 21:37.32 | cureless | wallflower: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
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| 21:37.47 | steve_ | hi |
| 21:37.54 | cureless | moi_: on the movie or on a cpu? |
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| 21:38.14 | steve_ | how could i convert every line break in a text file to a semicolon? i tried sed s/\n/";"/ but it didn't work |
| 21:38.16 | moi_ | on the movie ;) |
| 21:38.18 | Gokee2 | billy, I stock a cd in both my drives and I found it |
| 21:38.20 | Gokee2 | Thanks |
| 21:38.56 | billy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.09 | cureless | steve_: that should work. What kind of file is it? |
| 21:39.39 | wallflower | unfortunately i am on win32 |
| 21:39.40 | steve_ | cureless : just a simple text file |
| 21:39.40 | cureless | steve_: though depending how you do it you don't need the quotes. |
| 21:39.44 | bbrazil | steve_: 's/$/;/' (might leave line breaks in) |
| 21:39.48 | Gokee2 | billy, I did I can mount my dvd drive or my cd |
| 21:39.51 | petemc | steve_: tr |
| 21:39.54 | Delph | steve_: tr is your answer |
| 21:39.58 | Gokee2 | I got it playing in gmplayer too :) |
| 21:40.07 | Lee__ | I'm having trouble mounting any of the debian-installer images through the UML kernel in sid. the kernel error is it can't mount the root filesystem. nothing more descriptive. |
| 21:40.07 | Delph | sed works on a line-by line basis, so you don't tend to see the lines. |
| 21:40.28 | cureless | steve_: unix text file? dos text file? are u using tr, sed, vi, perl, vi? those might affect the answer. |
| 21:40.30 | steve_ | so in tr, something like tr \n ";" ? |
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| 21:40.56 | billy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.13 | steve_ | cureless : unix text file, didn't try tr, using sed and vi so far |
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| 21:41.20 | Lee__ | would a UML user care to give me some advice? |
| 21:41.35 | cureless | steve_: vi should work "%s/\n/;/g" |
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| 21:41.54 | Wuffi600 | hi/me waves hello |
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| 21:42.30 | steve_ | cureless : i'm trying to put it in a script too, so i'm hoping to use tr |
| 21:42.31 | gordonjcp | hello all |
| 21:42.39 | Wuffi600 | how can i enable nautilus as my default video-thumbnailer again? dpkg-reconfigure what_package? |
| 21:42.48 | gordonjcp | anyone got a good pointer to setting up Sid with a 2.6 kernel and NVidia GLX? |
| 21:43.30 | petemc | gordonjcp: install sid, install 2.6 kernel, /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 21:43.38 | BucWheat | since my box isn't attached to network 24/7 and sometimes during bootup how can i disable the startup of ntpdate and MLA it takes forever for these services to either timeout since no network connection is available i'm talking 2 minutes for system to boot because of this |
| 21:43.56 | petemc | BucWheat: install ifplugd |
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| 21:45.28 | TwistedEmotions | I'm trying to build a .deb package and keep getting the error Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation |
| 21:45.30 | markus | Hi everybody. Where can I download packages from a security release for Woody from about a year ago? (The packages are not in pool anymore ...) |
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| 21:45.40 | TwistedEmotions | I'm running xfce4 |
| 21:45.46 | TwistedEmotions | whats the problem? |
| 21:45.55 | Delph | markus: snapshot.debian.org ? |
| 21:45.58 | Wuffi600 | markus: maybe http://www.apt-get.org |
| 21:46.11 | TwistedEmotions | the configure.log file ends at ----checking for gui--- |
| 21:46.17 | Delph | something like that |
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| 21:46.30 | Delph | ah. s/org/net/ |
| 21:47.29 | markus | Delph, snapshot.debian.org doesn't exist (anymore) |
| 21:47.48 | markus | A, ... sorry ... |
| 21:47.58 | Delph | =;) |
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| 21:49.12 | kozy | Hello, I have a fresh installation of Testing and a strange problem with a few programs that hang. I'ts quite difficult to trace the exact problem. Ntop for example always hangs, and when this has happened I cant log in as root. On a working root terminal, if I try su, it ask for passwrd, after <enter> it hangs there, ctrl+c gets me back. It renders my system unusable, about a week ago it was fine. What is the problem? Anybody please help, much appreci |
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| 21:49.58 | Gh0sty | kozy did you run update? |
| 21:50.25 | gordonjcp | petemc: thanks |
| 21:50.46 | markus | Delph, got them, thanks! |
| 21:50.50 | markus | Wuffi600, thanks also! :) |
| 21:51.18 | kozy | yes, if you mean its up to date. |
| 21:51.34 | solemnwarning | how can i setup suexec on apache2? |
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| 21:51.46 | solemnwarning | i need some cgi scripts to edit some files as root |
| 21:52.06 | kozy | a2enmod suexec, if I remember |
| 21:52.11 | solemnwarning | k |
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| 21:54.27 | abrotman | solemnwarning: you didn't just say that did you ? |
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| 21:54.37 | abrotman | where's greycat when someone needs a good larting |
| 21:55.09 | kozy | Gh0sty: have you got any sugestions? |
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| 21:55.48 | Gh0sty | i just wanted to know what versions you got? |
| 21:56.02 | HSorgYves | evening |
| 21:56.08 | Gh0sty | if you updated after the install or still run the install versions? |
| 21:56.12 | anymous | HELP!!! I'm being attacked by 66.119.173.66 getting messages like: Illegal user it from 66.119.173.66 and "error: Could not get shadow information for NOUSER", HELP!!! |
| 21:56.42 | Gh0sty | i run sarge for quiet a while and haven't seen major problems this far (unless self inflicted :) ) |
| 21:57.01 | gordonjcp | anymous: is this from the same IP addy all the time? |
| 21:57.09 | bbrazil | anymous: ignore them (assuming you have a good password policy) |
| 21:57.14 | anymous | gordonjcp: yes |
| 21:57.17 | solemnwarning | abrotman: ? |
| 21:57.20 | solemnwarning | say what? |
| 21:57.25 | gordonjcp | anymous: complain to the isp |
| 21:57.33 | gordonjcp | well, find out what it is first |
| 21:57.36 | anymous | at this very moment. |
| 21:57.43 | gordonjcp | and stick the IP addy in your hosts.deny |
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| 21:58.18 | anymous | gordonjcp: what line do I have to add? |
| 21:58.22 | robin_sz | anymous: worry not, this is debian, getting hacked is not part of the spec. |
| 21:58.25 | abrotman | solemnwarning: you said it .. not me |
| 21:58.28 | kozy | Well, I have read in some debian mailinglist about a problem which looks the same, the post is related to libc6 but is from 2003. So that can't be it I think ( http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2003/11/msg00289.html ) |
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| 21:58.32 | solemnwarning | said what??? |
| 21:58.41 | robin_sz | anymous: only windows users need worry about that :) |
| 21:58.42 | gordonjcp | anymous: man hosts.deny |
| 21:58.45 | abrotman | solemnwarning: you want to let apache edit root owned files |
| 21:58.52 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 21:58.56 | solemnwarning | i get what u mean |
| 21:59.03 | solemnwarning | ill setup a user for the files |
| 21:59.04 | gordonjcp | anymous: in any case, that message means that they are unable to log into your machine |
| 21:59.04 | solemnwarning | lol |
| 21:59.05 | anymous | gordonjcp: ok, thanks. |
| 21:59.15 | gordonjcp | it's a nuisance, but I wouldn't worry too much about it |
| 21:59.15 | solemnwarning | forgot about that :P |
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| 21:59.25 | gordonjcp | anymous: I don't even log stuff like that any more |
| 21:59.39 | robin_sz | anymous: is this login attempts via telnet??? |
| 21:59.46 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:59.46 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:59.48 | BucWheat__ | c'mon this is crazy. why does it take 2min for ntpdate to timeout during boot when no network connection (to internet) is present? how can i fix this? this box isn't going to have a network connection at boot sometimes |
| 21:59.49 | anymous | no, sshd |
| 21:59.54 | robin_sz | 'k |
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| 22:00.02 | BucWheat__ | i have the same problem with MTA: exim4 |
| 22:00.04 | K_Dallas | lol i love it when you guys get angry over U and You ;) |
| 22:00.09 | wallflower | how is jigdo faster... |
| 22:00.14 | wallflower | i am downloading at 8kb/s right now |
| 22:00.21 | BucWheat__ | i need these apps to timeout after 5secs if it detects no internet connection |
| 22:00.21 | K_Dallas | earlier today we had even 'em ;) |
| 22:00.31 | robin_sz | anymous: if you get real worried, drop a rule in the ipchains to drop all packets from that ip |
| 22:01.18 | js_ | what can cause my data transfers to be around 2mb/s when i got a 100mbit network? |
| 22:01.18 | anymous | wow, I wished I would be able to react faster to those attacks. |
| 22:01.28 | robin_sz | anymous: personally, I only allow sshd from hosts I know I will connect from inthe first place |
| 22:01.46 | robin_sz | anymous: sshd, though secure, attract hackers like flies around shit |
| 22:02.10 | anymous | robin_sz: will use a different port than 22 in the future... |
| 22:02.16 | integral | can someone give me a few pointers on where to find docs on installing sarge on x86 using a serial console? |
| 22:02.32 | PerfDave | integral: Does the Sarge Installation Manual not help? |
| 22:02.44 | robin_sz | anymous: just use ipchains, easy enough |
| 22:03.26 | integral | PerfDave: I can't seem to find anything on how to set something like console=ttyS0 on the boot floppy |
| 22:03.30 | robin_sz | eep! .. its PerfDave! |
| 22:03.47 | anymous | so, ALL: 66.119.173.66 in /etc/hosts.deny looks reasonable. |
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| 22:04.17 | robin_sz | anymous: wont save you |
| 22:04.32 | anymous | robin_sz: ? |
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| 22:05.06 | robin_sz | anymous: most of the probes into sshd are looking for buffer overflows and other irregularities of their ilk, host.deny may well not save you |
| 22:05.10 | PerfDave | robin_sz: Fuck, where? |
| 22:05.19 | beardy | integral: what floppy? |
| 22:05.32 | robin_sz | PerfDave: its OK, i think hes gone now ... |
| 22:05.36 | petemc | most of the ssh stuff atm is brute force |
| 22:05.53 | anymous | aah, I forgot, this address was probably victim of an attack as well... |
| 22:06.01 | petemc | anymous: theres an iptables script about that detects someone hammering your sshd and blocks them |
| 22:06.02 | integral | beardy: presumably something like sarge d-i boot floppy you can download, but with my options added? I don't know where to look for info on this |
| 22:06.12 | robin_sz | well, I just firewall it off, call me paranoid .. |
| 22:06.21 | petemc | anymous: you could use "ip route add prohibit ipaddr" |
| 22:06.51 | petemc | thats a good idea too |
| 22:06.57 | anymous | petemc: will look into that |
| 22:07.06 | robin_sz | jethro: and how will that save you from a buffer overflow? |
| 22:07.11 | stew | jethro: what if they brute force my DSA key? :p |
| 22:07.25 | anymous | yes, but that means I have to carry around my key with me all the time... |
| 22:07.30 | beardy | integral: You configure serial consoles in /etc/inittab (if it hasn't changed since woody) So, get that boot-floppy, edit the /etc/inittab on it, hopefully there will be en commented out example on how to set up a serial console in it. |
| 22:07.31 | jethro | robin_sz: only pre authentication bugs can affect such configurations |
| 22:07.33 | petemc | robin_sz: are there known buffer overflows at this moment? |
| 22:07.35 | jethro | stew: good luck :) |
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| 22:07.52 | PerfDave | anymous: I carry plenty of things around with me all the time, an SSH key won't be significantly more hassle. |
| 22:07.54 | robin_sz | anymous: ipchains -A input -s <bad a guys ip> DROP (or soemthing like that) |
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| 22:08.08 | jethro | robin_sz: and the point is in saving from bruteforce attacks, not buffer overflows anyway |
| 22:08.12 | robin_sz | petemc: dunno . there have been in the past, there will be in the future |
| 22:08.14 | bbrazil | robin_sz: -j DROP |
| 22:08.28 | robin_sz | bbrazil: yeah, sounds better. |
| 22:08.42 | anymous | can't I say "-j FUCKYOU"? :-) |
| 22:08.44 | integral | beardy: eh? I mean I want to pass console=ttyS0 to the kernel. Otherwise I can't see any of the boot messages. |
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| 22:08.54 | bbrazil | anymous: you're looking for -j MIRROR then ;) |
| 22:08.56 | integral | I didn't think the d-i installation stuff used init like that anyway? |
| 22:09.18 | robin_sz | hmmm .. I wonder ... |
| 22:09.20 | bbrazil | anymous: also -I instead of -A - puts it top of the list |
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| 22:09.42 | bbrazil | anymous: although there are slight dangers associated with that |
| 22:09.48 | robin_sz | wonder if I should run a crypt fs on my usb memory key? |
| 22:10.01 | anymous | what danger, bbrazil? |
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| 22:10.30 | bbrazil | anymous: that you mess up your firewall, or that someday you might have to connect from that host (unlikely) |
| 22:10.42 | robin_sz | bbrazil: using -I can trigger an attack by naked dancing girls. |
| 22:11.15 | stew | iptables -I MYPANTS |
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| 22:11.38 | robin_sz | at least, I read somewhere on the web that it can |
| 22:11.50 | stew | if its on the web it must be true |
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| 22:12.04 | bbrazil | robin_sz: really? sure you aren't thinking of lesbian linux? |
| 22:12.08 | anymous | well, I think that host was attacked as well, very common these days even with linux installatations |
| 22:12.25 | Bac9 | is there any way to force cdrecord to finish writing a CD? |
| 22:12.35 | nunez | is there a tool to change an .avi to a VCD? |
| 22:12.37 | robin_sz | bbrazil: does it have a really good splash screen on install? |
| 22:12.49 | jethro | anymous: just google for ssh bruteforce, you'll see it's really common these days |
| 22:13.02 | bbrazil | robin_sz: dunno, all the .debs were lost, only porn-get remains (or so it is told) |
| 22:13.12 | jethro | anymous: that's why you want to disable passsword authentication or track joes account very carefully |
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| 22:13.44 | anymous | joe doesn't have an account! |
| 22:13.55 | bbrazil | anymous: run john in single crack mode, from personal experiance it'll catch anything those brute forces catch |
| 22:14.09 | jethro | anymous: by joes accounts I mean test/test, mp3/mp3, or any easily guessable credentials |
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| 22:14.23 | Wuffi600_ | how can i enable nautilus videothumbnailer? dpkg-reconfigure <what package>? |
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| 22:14.34 | anymous | jethro, ah, ok. |
| 22:15.01 | jethro | anymous: otoh, I doubt it's a targeted attack, so you shouldn't be worrying too much if you don't have any so called joes accounts |
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| 22:16.19 | robin_sz | wheeee .. I'm off to Geneva tomorow :) |
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| 22:16.33 | jethro | anymous: just keep in mind that disabling password authentication is worth the pain of setting up the pubkey authentication stuff ;) |
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| 22:16.45 | PerfDave | How fine-grained can you set SSH security? Could I allow password connections from certain IPs, and hostkey authentication elsewhere? |
| 22:16.55 | anymous | jethro: :-) yeah, sure is... |
| 22:17.03 | jethro | PerfDave: you need separate stanzas |
| 22:17.10 | jethro | PerfDave: or a patch by a friend of mine :) |
| 22:17.13 | robin_sz | good point! |
| 22:17.34 | PerfDave | jethro: But you can do it within one sshd_config? |
| 22:17.36 | robin_sz | I knew a girl that could do that ... |
| 22:17.46 | robin_sz | amazing to see really. |
| 22:17.56 | jethro | PerfDave: with the patch yes, otherwise, you need different sshd running at the same time, bound to different sockets |
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| 22:18.15 | jethro | PerfDave: and obviously different configuration files too |
| 22:18.17 | PerfDave | jethro: Oh, that's far too much of a PITA. I might just insist that all my users set up keys ;) |
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| 22:18.35 | jethro | PerfDave: there is no point in using password auth, really :) |
| 22:18.49 | PerfDave | jethro: It's more convenient for my users, I expect. |
| 22:19.08 | jethro | that would be the only point, and an argueable one |
| 22:19.32 | PerfDave | jethro: Yeah, since when did I give a fuck about my users? ;) |
| 22:19.32 | jethro | since once you load your private keys in ssh-agent, it just get far more convenient than using passwords :p |
| 22:19.44 | jethro | yeah that too :) |
| 22:19.47 | jasoncohen | where do you load module preferences (i.e modprobe.conf) |
| 22:19.51 | PerfDave | jethro: Are they tricky to use with PuTTY? |
| 22:19.57 | jethro | keys? |
| 22:20.05 | jethro | puttygen can convert openssh keys |
| 22:20.06 | anymous | robin_sz: have fun in geneva |
| 22:20.09 | PerfDave | jethro: I was thinking of burning my users a businesscard CD with their private key and a copy of PuTTY on. |
| 22:20.14 | jethro | it's really straightforward |
| 22:20.20 | PerfDave | Oh, PuTTY can't just use OpenSSH keys natively? Suckage. |
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| 22:20.34 | jethro | just run puttygen, then open your openssh private key, then convert it, then use it with putty :) |
| 22:20.45 | jethro | no it can't, sadly |
| 22:20.46 | jasoncohen | /etc/modprobe lists the modules to load on boot but there's no modprobe.conf file |
| 22:20.56 | anymous | guys, thanks for you attention, I appreciate it very much. |
| 22:20.58 | PerfDave | Bah, that involves having Windows handy, I was hoping to have this all prepared for them next time I saw them. |
| 22:21.03 | jethro | but as I told you, converting the keys is just a matter of a seconds |
| 22:21.07 | jethro | s/ a // |
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| 22:21.13 | jasoncohen | no, you can use puttygen in linux |
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| 22:21.27 | jethro | PerfDave: you should be able to convert with ssh-keygen as well |
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| 22:21.38 | flux | hello |
| 22:21.40 | jethro | or puttygen in linux, as jasoncohen suggested |
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| 22:21.46 | PerfDave | What package is it in? ;) |
| 22:21.50 | jethro | putty? :) |
| 22:22.01 | jethro | or putty-tools |
| 22:22.05 | jethro | just try it, I never did |
| 22:22.07 | PerfDave | Fair enough, will look into it. |
| 22:22.09 | flux | i'd liked to take a *random* file in a directory, to copy it in the current directory. |
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| 22:22.24 | flux | how to I specify bash to take a random ? |
| 22:22.28 | zahl_ | hi there |
| 22:22.29 | jethro | flux: /j #bash |
| 22:22.41 | flux | jethro: yes, of course :/ |
| 22:22.45 | flux | thank you :) |
| 22:22.46 | n00bersc0uper | flux: /j #rtfm |
| 22:22.49 | jethro | you're welcome |
| 22:22.53 | jethro | n00bersc0uper: don't be mean |
| 22:23.12 | n00bersc0uper | define mean |
| 22:23.15 | flux | n00bersc0uper: which man should i rtfm ? i didn't find it in man bash |
| 22:23.26 | n00bersc0uper | google |
| 22:23.49 | petemc | flux: huh? man bash /random |
| 22:23.59 | jethro | n00bersc0uper: you're not helping so just stfu if you reply only to be mean |
| 22:23.59 | jasoncohen | PerfDave, puttygen ~/.ssh/id_rsa -o key |
| 22:24.03 | flux | it speaks about $RANDOM |
| 22:24.16 | flux | but i don't want to get a random number |
| 22:24.22 | nunez | How would i go about compiling a while directory full of .cpp which makes a program? |
| 22:24.23 | bbrazil | flux: I don't think bash can do what you want, maybe mergs a file listing with seq and grep for $RANDOM, loop until it terminates? |
| 22:24.25 | flux | i want to get a random file in a dir |
| 22:24.28 | nunez | whole* |
| 22:24.34 | jethro | flux: then use an index number for the files |
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| 22:24.57 | Aradorn | hi |
| 22:25.08 | bbrazil | nunez: is there a Makefile? |
| 22:25.15 | nunez | bbailey, nope |
| 22:25.26 | zahl_ | I tried 'U' in aptitude recently and it attempted to upgrade apache2-mpm-prefork. Now apache2 appears to be broken - I can't either upgrade it nor de-/reinstall it because the init script doesn't work anymore. Can anyone help me out of this? |
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| 22:25.34 | jasoncohen | putty never seems to work for me. it just quits after i put in the username and press enter |
| 22:25.41 | jethro | flux: aka put filenames in an array, and pick a random number between 0 and the size of the array, and get array[number] |
| 22:25.47 | bbrazil | nunez: try gcc *.cpp -o prog and pray it doesn't need any libraries |
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| 22:26.07 | tk3000 | hi, has anyone taken the GNU Sair Linux cert. test by any chance? Would it be a good choice today as a cert.? |
| 22:26.18 | flux | jethro: hum, why not... but it seems heavy for what i'm doing... |
| 22:26.26 | flux | but thanks for the clue :) |
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| 22:26.43 | petemc | tk3000: a friend of mine took soom, i have the books - it seems ok, hard to beat real experience tho |
| 22:26.46 | jethro | flux: I don't think you can get a random file from a dir using a native bash feature |
| 22:26.49 | petemc | s/soom/some/ |
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| 22:26.57 | masoft | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.14 | jethro | flux: chances are you'd have to use some of your own logic, but #bash regulars might have more authoritative answers |
| 22:27.22 | n00bersc0uper | masoft: /j #windows and ask them how they do it |
| 22:27.28 | nunez | bbrazil, never seen so many errors before lol |
| 22:27.36 | flux | yes, i'll ask them now |
| 22:27.44 | n00bersc0uper | or you could check the docs |
| 22:27.52 | deadcat | ibook is back from the shop. fresh new logicboard FREE (= |
| 22:27.55 | petemc | n00bersc0uper: do you have anything useful to add? |
| 22:27.55 | n00bersc0uper | i hear ppl write them just for the hell of it |
| 22:27.58 | bbrazil | nunez: is there an INSTALL file, or a configure ? |
| 22:28.03 | jasoncohen | so, anyone know how to specify module options so that it can be started on boot? |
| 22:28.11 | masoft | n00bersc0uper, I'm asking about linux :D then go #windows ?????????????? :)) |
| 22:28.13 | jethro | n00bersc0uper: really, save #debian from your mean comments, get a walk or something |
| 22:28.18 | jasoncohen | like you can in RH/MDK with modprobe.preload and modprobe.conf |
| 22:28.23 | nunez | bbrazil, naw |
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| 22:28.30 | bbrazil | nunez: what is it? |
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| 22:28.57 | tk3000 | petemc: yeah, i agree with that. It looks like the one from comptia is more common today, I also heard that SAIR is more difficult; but if it is not publicly accepted... |
| 22:29.01 | zumbi | libncurses.so.4 => not found ! what pkg do i need ? |
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| 22:30.00 | Aradorn | does linux support dual monitor display? (just random question while im sitting here) |
| 22:30.10 | Aradorn | rather does debian support it |
| 22:30.14 | jethro | Aradorn: yes |
| 22:30.19 | cureless | flux: I remember a package that did just that, return random lines from stdin (based on a probability), but I can't recall if it was a debian pacakge (and which one it was) |
| 22:30.19 | zumbi | [SOLVED] libncurses4 |
| 22:30.27 | Aradorn | hrm ill have to set that up eventually |
| 22:30.43 | flux | cureless: i'll apt-cache search to see |
| 22:30.51 | masoft | really can't anyone help me ??? |
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| 22:31.09 | Asacarny | i'm using the debian-installer for amd64/sarge. for some reason lots and lots of modules are missing, including the module for my ethernet card, tg3. |
| 22:31.10 | Asacarny | what gives? |
| 22:31.12 | jethro | masoft: man xsession or man xinitrc |
| 22:31.29 | jethro | masoft: man xinit even |
| 22:31.30 | PerfDave | Asacarny: Ask #debian-amd64 |
| 22:31.36 | Asacarny | PerfDave: thanks. |
| 22:31.44 | petemc | masoft: have you poked around the gnome preferences, im pretty sure theres a startup item in there |
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| 22:31.52 | masoft | jetdotnet, does it help even I use gdm ? |
| 22:32.00 | cureless | flux: not that easy. The command I remember took a probability as an argument and with that prob would print out the lines it received from stdin. You might be looking for something else. |
| 22:32.14 | masoft | petemc, I'm new to gnome, I can't find anything |
| 22:32.15 | jethro | masoft: I don't use gnome but I assume its wm uses either xinitrc or xession |
| 22:32.23 | flux | i got an answer on #bash |
| 22:32.31 | flux | files=(*); cp ${files[RANDOM%${#files[@]}]} destination |
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| 22:32.41 | jethro | :) |
| 22:32.45 | jethro | flux: my bad then :) |
| 22:32.52 | flux | yep :) |
| 22:32.56 | bbrazil | flux: ls -1 | bogosort -option-for-single-pass | head -1 |
| 22:33.06 | cureless | flux: I was going to say that you could just do it with a shell script, there ya go. |
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| 22:34.02 | jethro | hah team america is hilarious |
| 22:34.31 | jbm | hey all, im trying to rotate one of my kde3.3 displays via kde's "resize and rotate" application on SARGE, has anyone got this to work? it seems disabled for me |
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| 22:35.01 | jbm | secret trick to activate xrandx? |
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| 22:35.43 | happy | Gibts hier deutsche, debian freaks? |
| 22:35.50 | BoD_SWAT | hi all. I'm trying to install vsftpd (I already installed openssl). Yet when I'm trying to make vsftpd I get "ssl.c:27: openssl/err.h: No such file or directory,ssl.c:28: openssl/rand.h:, No such file or directory, ssl.c:29: openssl/bio.h: No such file or directory" Anyone? |
| 22:35.51 | jethro | !de |
| 22:35.51 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 22:35.55 | jbm | ich fahre mit dem bus |
| 22:36.24 | jethro | wer mhtet mir einblasen? |
| 22:36.51 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 22:37.13 | n00bersc0uper | he he |
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| 22:37.16 | FieldySnuts | f |
| 22:37.22 | jethro | I can speak angrish |
| 22:38.07 | jethro | karma jethro |
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| 22:40.00 | jbm | in sarge trying to use kde3.3 resize and rotate application i receive error "required xfree86 4.3 or greater and xrandr 1.1 or greater", I have xfree fine but my xrandr lib is ver 1-12.0 i see 1-13.0 in sid but neither of there is 1.1? what to do?? |
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| 22:40.14 | solemnwarning | i ran a2enmod suexec but cgi scripts on my apche2 server are still being run as www-data |
| 22:40.21 | solemnwarning | any1 know wtf is going on? |
| 22:41.05 | FieldySnuts | haha that's funny http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2004/03/msg01020.html |
| 22:42.00 | jbm | heh |
| 22:42.28 | jbm | omg there is a .deb for it rofl |
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| 22:42.39 | cureless | too funny |
| 22:42.49 | tarzeau | ich bin eine zitrone |
| 22:42.50 | the_freaking_pop | how do i find out the name of the program using a particulare port on a server? |
| 22:43.00 | PerfDave | the_freaking_pop: netstat |
| 22:43.01 | the_freaking_pop | as in on my server? so i can stop the process? |
| 22:43.04 | Delph | netstat -p |
| 22:43.07 | Delph | +/- a -n |
| 22:43.11 | PerfDave | netstat -nlp |
| 22:43.12 | cureless | the_freaking_pop: netstat -apne --inet |
| 22:43.21 | HobNob | netstat -anp |
| 22:43.38 | Delph | -anaple |
| 22:44.27 | cureless | FieldySnuts: for a moment there I thought apt-gentoo was going to be portage for debian. |
| 22:44.29 | the_freaking_pop | i dont want to scan the network... i want to find the name of the dns server running locally so i can shut it down... |
| 22:44.45 | cureless | the_freaking_pop: what are you talking about? |
| 22:44.51 | jasoncohen | ah, i figured it out |
| 22:44.52 | FieldySnuts | cureless: me too hehe |
| 22:45.21 | rue_mohr | who can prod me with a quick reminder on how to officially add a /etc/init.d script to runlevel 2 is? |
| 22:45.28 | petemc | the_freaking_pop: netstat, fuser |
| 22:45.28 | jasoncohen | if you add a file to /etc/modprobe.d with the module name you can put the options in the file and modprobe module will use those options. you can then add the module to /etc/modules to load on boot |
| 22:45.31 | Delph | the_freaking_pop: go look at what netstat does. Then look at what nmap does, then use netstat. |
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| 22:45.34 | Fluten | my laptop is perfectly stable when running off of an ac adapter, but crashes every 15 minutes when i switch it to battery, with nothing in /var/messages. When it crashes, the hard drive light is left on solid. |
| 22:45.39 | jbm | i dont think debian would allow such unstable building of packages into stable evar |
| 22:45.44 | Fluten | could this be a kernel problem, even though there is nothing in messages? |
| 22:46.03 | cureless | rue_mohr: update-rc.d |
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| 22:46.08 | petemc | Fluten: id be thinking hardware |
| 22:46.11 | rue_mohr | thanks! |
| 22:46.11 | the_freaking_pop | ok, I have a class assignment to write a replacement dns server. Now, in order to test it, I have to shut down the currently running one and start mine, other wise the program complais that the port 53 is already in use. |
| 22:46.13 | jbm | Fluten maybe your battery sucks? |
| 22:46.26 | Fluten | jbm, i just put in a new one a day ago |
| 22:46.43 | jbm | so its untested then? |
| 22:46.46 | petemc | the_freaking_pop: people generally arent keen to do other peoples homework |
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| 22:46.55 | Delph | the_freaking_pop: yes. So run netstat, with the options given, then find out the name of the program, then kill that program. |
| 22:47.00 | cureless | the_freaking_pop: are you in debian? |
| 22:47.06 | Delph | really, it does work. |
| 22:47.50 | Fluten | do kernel problems leave something in messages when it causes a crash? |
| 22:47.51 | the_freaking_pop | petemc i am not asking that, I was asking for help finding the dns that was currently running... |
| 22:47.51 | the_freaking_pop | cureless yeah |
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| 22:47.57 | cureless | the_freaking_pop: chances are your dns server is running from an /etc/init.d script |
| 22:48.21 | pioto | is there any method available in a 2.4 kernel system to mute the pc speaker? i know w/ the 2.6 kernel one can simply omit the pc speaker driver... |
| 22:48.26 | the_freaking_pop | i thought so too, but didnt see a dns* one, cureless |
| 22:48.27 | cureless | the_freaking_pop: you can just stop it. There are not that many possible dns server programs. Unless you're stopping one of your classmates programs. |
| 22:48.44 | petemc | the_freaking_pop: netstat -pant|grep 53 or fuser -n tcp 53 |
| 22:48.46 | Delph | the_freaking_pop: you also know you can't bind to ports <1024 |
| 22:48.47 | jasoncohen | pioto, why not just mute it in alsamixer, kmix, aumix etc.? |
| 22:48.59 | pioto | jasoncohen: that doesn't work... |
| 22:49.08 | cureless | the_freaking_pop: try something named "bind" or "named" |
| 22:49.10 | the_freaking_pop | Delph, i was under the impression root could... |
| 22:49.10 | Delph | as a normal user |
| 22:49.15 | jasoncohen | that's strange |
| 22:49.24 | pioto | jasoncohen: not all pc speakers are tied into the sound card that way |
| 22:49.31 | Delph | the_freaking_pop: look, have you run the netstat program yet? You keep asking for advice but never actually trying the commands given. |
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| 22:50.08 | the_freaking_pop | Delph, I actually have the service stopped now. |
| 22:50.11 | jasoncohen | pioto, do you not want sound at all? |
| 22:50.25 | jasoncohen | if that's the case just turn off the speakers- simple :) |
| 22:50.49 | Delph | the_freaking_pop: cool. |
| 22:50.50 | the_freaking_pop | I havent been asking for advice for a while now, after i got done running the half dozen different flags i was given to netstat and figured out what was going on |
| 22:50.53 | pioto | jasoncohen: no, the PC Speaker, which is the built in speaker on a system |
| 22:51.03 | pioto | jasoncohen: the thing that can BEEP and that's it... |
| 22:51.05 | jasoncohen | pioto, oh, ok |
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| 22:51.21 | tpr | argh what am i supposed to do when trying to compile my newly configured kernel returns errors |
| 22:51.24 | tpr | im clueless ffs |
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| 22:51.34 | the_freaking_pop | Delph, thanks though |
| 22:52.09 | cureless | tpr: you are supposed to fix the errors and submit the patches to the kernel mailing list. |
| 22:52.22 | tpr | lol :p |
| 22:52.24 | jasoncohen | pioto, you can turn it off in kde |
| 22:52.30 | jasoncohen | go to sound & multimedia |
| 22:52.32 | cureless | tpr: your config is probably wrong. |
| 22:52.35 | jasoncohen | and turn the volume to 0% |
| 22:52.43 | jasoncohen | pioto, it works on my laptop |
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| 22:52.52 | beardy | integral: "console=uart,io,0x3f8" thanks for not leaving, and googling yourself |
| 22:53.01 | tpr | cureless, i made oldconfig and then menuconfig, now its bugging me about powernowk8 |
| 22:53.03 | pioto | jasoncohen: kde? hah! this laptop would melt if it tried to run that |
| 22:53.14 | jasoncohen | pioto, sorry |
| 22:53.14 | pioto | jasoncohen: it runs either fvwm or no window manager at all... |
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| 22:53.25 | tpr | wanted better power management support for my laptop whil upgrading to kernel 2.6, i guess something aint workin out hehe |
| 22:53.38 | cureless | tpr: if you're using one of the "normal" kernels then it's probably your config. |
| 22:53.58 | cureless | tpr: install the debian kernel. |
| 22:54.08 | tpr | i did |
| 22:54.09 | tpr | i think |
| 22:54.19 | cureless | so why do you want to compile your own? |
| 22:54.28 | anhi | i would never use a stock distro kernel |
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| 22:54.46 | tpr | cureless, what I mean I wanted to recompile and upgrade the kernel, and then add a few things to the kernel to make supprot for my laptop better |
| 22:54.56 | tpr | propably not 'my own kernel' what i meant |
| 22:55.15 | anhi | just get yourself the source, add the patches you need, compile only the modules that you need (since it's a laptop those wont change often), and your done. faster, quicker, better |
| 22:55.23 | hellfire | tpr: what kind of laptop is it? |
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| 22:55.40 | cureless | anhi: he's not at that level yet |
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| 22:55.50 | grigora | does anyone know whether scripts in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ are called by default on ifup, or whether they should be specifically listed in /etc/network/interfaces? thanks |
| 22:55.56 | tpr | hellfire, its a compaq evo n800w |
| 22:56.04 | wallflower | cureless, does jigdo speed up? |
| 22:56.12 | wallflower | right now i am downloading the .template @ 6kb/s |
| 22:56.16 | christor | PLease I m searchin g how to put the refresh of the screen ? |
| 22:56.17 | cureless | wallflower: don't know, I don't use it. |
| 22:56.24 | cureless | wallflower: I always do net installs. |
| 22:56.24 | anhi | cureless: well with googles help compiling a kernel shouldn't be a problem for anyone (especially the debian way which is quite easy) |
| 22:56.48 | cureless | anhi: if he's here asking what to do on errors then we assume that approach didn't work. |
| 22:56.56 | Ashen | I wish all distros had as good a set of docs as debian. |
| 22:57.17 | anhi | Ashen: take a look at gentoo, it's one of the best docs out there (imho) |
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| 22:57.33 | cureless | you mean like FreeBSD? |
| 22:57.42 | FieldySnuts | anhi: agreed |
| 22:57.45 | tpr | anhi, i got the kernel source with apt-get and unpacked it, also got kernel-image kernel-package debhelper and dpkg-dev :p |
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| 22:58.02 | tpr | didnt know there was a distro specific kernel source |
| 22:58.22 | cureless | tpr: each distro tweaks the kernels in specific ways. |
| 22:58.38 | anhi | tpr: the kernel-source you get from apt is the debian kernel source, that means it's the original kernel version + a whole lot of patches |
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| 22:59.07 | tpr | anhi, ooh right ofcourse as apt being for debian, well thats a good thing i should have a good kernel source then |
| 22:59.09 | anhi | tpr: if you want to do a kernel "on your own" you could also get the plain source and choose the patches yourself |
| 22:59.13 | FieldySnuts | i'm not a fan of anybodys tweaked source, i always end up going vanilla, that with grsec maybe |
| 22:59.32 | tpr | anhi, not necassary, just want to upgrade & add a few things that werent in the old kernel previously |
| 22:59.34 | grigora | does anyone know how to execute the if-pre-up.d scripts? |
| 22:59.43 | anhi | FieldySnuts: you ever tried ck / cko on the desktop? its a nice and easy patchset |
| 23:00.20 | Ashen | anhi: thanks for the advice :) I consider my time to be too important to me to do a lot of gentooing though :) |
| 23:00.20 | FieldySnuts | anhi: first i've heard of it |
| 23:00.28 | cureless | time to go, later guys/gals. |
| 23:00.28 | anhi | FieldySnuts: check em out, they give you a nice boost on the desktop (but i wouldnt use them on a server) |
| 23:00.39 | tpr | cureless thanks for your input, l8er |
| 23:00.53 | FieldySnuts | all i run are servers anyway, my "desktop" is server class, but i'll keep that in mind |
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| 23:01.09 | hellfire | grigora: look in the man page for interfaces |
| 23:01.24 | anhi | Ashen: well, since gentoo is source based you can somehow take every aproach in there and use the gained infos on every other system |
| 23:01.46 | FieldySnuts | anhi: careful, get flamed for mentioning that distro here :) |
| 23:01.49 | FieldySnuts | !flame everyone |
| 23:01.50 | dpkg | everyone: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
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| 23:02.28 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: flame test |
| 23:02.28 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 23:02.29 | grigora | hellfire: I have, the explanation is not clear - ... the scripts in which are run (with no argu ments) using run-parts(8) after the option itself has been processed ... |
| 23:02.30 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:02.38 | Ashen | anhi: thing is..... most of the stuff I install I install in binary form. I use debian and OpenBSD on my servers for stability/updates and security, respectively. I really don't need to compile from source a lot, and I don't think you learn a lot by compiling from source anyway, apart from just how many files that need to be compiled come in the average package nowadays. |
| 23:03.02 | anhi | FieldySnuts: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ for the kernel patches. and at distro-flame: i dont care, i love my debian but i dont mind compiling my own code like in gentoo (tho i think source-only is a wrong step) |
| 23:03.10 | grigora | hellfire: I have no idea what "when the option itself has been processed" |
| 23:03.11 | hellfire | grigora: what? |
| 23:03.20 | grigora | hellfire: do you? |
| 23:03.37 | grigora | hellfire: what it [means] |
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| 23:04.21 | hellfire | grigora: moment... |
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| 23:04.25 | anhi | Ashen: some of the gentoo docs take you deep into the heart of your system, i think in some situations it's good to know the stuff that makes the system go |
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| 23:04.41 | flux | thank you again, bye :) |
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| 23:04.54 | Trulter | Hi, how to see if my /sys are mounted RW, i just see "none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0" |
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| 23:05.20 | dippo | anyone know of something similar to "top" that will show processes thrashing disk I/O? |
| 23:06.08 | furrywolf | what do people figure a qms magicolor 2200 is worth? 1200dpi, 20ppm, ethernet, 32mb ram, etc... printer only has 37k pages on it, and comes with toner in all four carts. |
| 23:06.22 | Ashen | anhi: perhaps you're right. When I have time and a copy, I'll look into the docs. I'm happy with the systems I have though, so I don't think I'd use gentoo except for looking at its docs. |
| 23:06.27 | hellfire | grigora: try to run "ifup pre-up" to see if the scripts in network/pre-up.d are executed. |
| 23:06.40 | PerfDave | Gentoo needs good docs to make up for its sucky community ;) |
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| 23:07.27 | anhi | Ashen: so do i, i run debian on (nearly) all my boxes, but as your statement was about the docs i felt i had to point out gentoos great docs |
| 23:07.37 | grigora | hellfire: let me try |
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| 23:07.54 | gravity | Gentoo does have great docs. I really wish someone took the initiative to do the same for Debian |
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| 23:08.13 | computerfreak_ | ich brauche hilfe, ich brauche alle netzwerkbefehle.......... |
| 23:08.13 | King_Brad | ok |
| 23:08.18 | computerfreak_ | kann mir jemand helfen? |
| 23:08.20 | furrywolf | hrmm, they seem to sell for $150+ on ebay. ok, so I got a decent deal. :) |
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| 23:08.40 | King_Brad | in an all SCSI system, (debian) if u toss in an IDE HDD where / how would you find it / make it work? |
| 23:08.51 | Ashen | anhi: you're probably right. I really don't know much about gentoo. There was a time a few years ago when I'd stay up all night...... just geeking out. Now though, I have a real life and irc/linux/bsd is my hobby which I do not get paid for, so I don't have the time to do things which aren't immediately useful :-/ |
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| 23:09.02 | K_Dallas | i think i got disconnected on my previous question, i am going to repost it here |
| 23:09.06 | computerfreak_ | i need all network commands, help! |
| 23:09.08 | K_Dallas | I am wondering by having the following lines in my dsl-provider, why am i still getting disconnected on inactive applications (the active ones like xchat remain connected) any hhelp or clue would be highly appreciated, thanks |
| 23:09.09 | beardy | !de |
| 23:09.09 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 23:09.17 | tpr | powernowk8 ring a bell to anyone? couldnt find much from google |
| 23:09.23 | K_Dallas | connect /bin/true |
| 23:09.23 | K_Dallas | noauth |
| 23:09.23 | K_Dallas | persist |
| 23:09.23 | K_Dallas | mtu 1492 |
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| 23:09.46 | K_Dallas | well, sorry no flood was intended |
| 23:09.51 | hellfire | King_Brad : /dev/hdXX |
| 23:09.52 | King_Brad | in an all SCSI system, (debian) if u toss in an IDE HDD where / how would you find it / make it work? |
| 23:09.55 | King_Brad | so |
| 23:09.57 | King_Brad | hda? |
| 23:10.04 | King_Brad | ./dev/hda |
| 23:10.08 | King_Brad | b/c that doesnt work |
| 23:10.24 | hellfire | hda is the first IDE. hdb the second ... |
| 23:10.41 | rob_lt | King_Brad: you could alsa "dmesg | grep hd" to see what everything is. |
| 23:10.43 | King_Brad | i do cfdisk /dev/hda and it says cannot open disk |
| 23:10.48 | King_Brad | koo |
| 23:11.08 | King_Brad | it shows both scsi hdd's, not the IDE hdd |
| 23:11.33 | hellfire | King_Brad: does your bios show all hdds? |
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| 23:11.46 | King_Brad | hellfire, yes it does |
| 23:11.49 | grigora | hellfire: says " ignoring unknown interface pre-up" |
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| 23:12.52 | King_Brad | is there maybe a package i need to install? |
| 23:13.02 | hellfire | grigora: i read it again and i think you have to put an option in /etc/network/interfaces named pre-up |
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| 23:13.22 | jbl | hey |
| 23:13.28 | jbl | does anybody know what a stock debian box supports |
| 23:13.31 | jbl | losetup wise |
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| 23:13.37 | jbl | just xor, 3des and aes? |
| 23:13.39 | maher | King_Brad: no - you shouldn't have a pre-up line in interfaces |
| 23:13.40 | jbl | or blowfish and serpent too |
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| 23:13.44 | hellfire | grigora: to the interface you want.. |
| 23:13.46 | grigora | hellfire: really? cause pre-up usually appears inside the interface stanzas |
| 23:13.50 | King_Brad | huh? |
| 23:14.14 | deadcat | jbl: those are algorithms. more /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 23:14.34 | grigora | hellfire: ok, but by specifying pre-up in interfaces, I can executed any script, so what |
| 23:14.52 | grigora | 's /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ is for? |
| 23:14.54 | jbl | oh i see |
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| 23:15.22 | hellfire | grigora: go to #flood for a second.. |
| 23:15.27 | deadcat | maher: any luck on the usb wireless? i got my ibook back from the shop. hehe. i ask them to check for applecare on this sucker and it runs till aug 2006 (= lucky me |
| 23:15.39 | King_Brad | is there a package that maybe needs to be installed for debian to see the IDE hdd controlers? |
| 23:16.06 | maher | King_Brad: ignore me - sorry about that |
| 23:16.17 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 23:16.36 | jbl | i'm writing an article called 100 reasons i love debian over windows |
| 23:16.38 | jbl | haha |
| 23:16.41 | jbl | im on #15 |
| 23:16.45 | maher | deadcat: i'm going to wait till i'm home to check the 2.4 wlan modules - i assume they will work... |
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| 23:17.31 | deadcat | maher: cool. |
| 23:18.13 | jbl | heh nah #20 |
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| 23:19.39 | grigora | hellfire: thanks, but "too many parameters for iface line" |
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| 23:21.52 | maher | grigora: paste interfaces in #flood |
| 23:22.00 | MrKeuner | hi, what should --append-to-version be if --revision=b1 ? |
| 23:22.08 | MrKeuner | make-kpkg |
| 23:22.18 | King_Brad | if i type cfdisk, all it shoiws in the list is sda1 and sdb5 , no hda's at all :( |
| 23:22.24 | K_Dallas | Has anyone tested http://nyal.developpez.com/mplayer/ (mplayer setup) under Debian Sarge? last time i compiled it it took me a lot of time. thanks |
| 23:22.27 | kikiju | Which files are sourced when I start KDE from gdm? I need to export KDEDIRS so that KDE sees it, and not just shells that source .bashrc. |
| 23:22.38 | Delph | K_Dallas: use the marillat sources. |
| 23:22.52 | K_Dallas | Delph, i have always problem with that |
| 23:23.08 | K_Dallas | i cannot even get it installed! synaptic always gives errors |
| 23:23.31 | K_Dallas | there are a few dummy packages and no matter which one i chose it says cannot do it |
| 23:23.37 | ethics | King_Brad, sda1 = scsi disk ....worKS same as a hard disk to mount etc |
| 23:23.49 | ethics | King_Brad, just try mounting it.... |
| 23:23.54 | K_Dallas | last time i had to compile it manually and it took a lot of time and asking to be done |
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| 23:24.03 | King_Brad | the scsi drives are find |
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| 23:24.08 | King_Brad | i cannot find the IDE disks, |
| 23:24.13 | King_Brad | just try mounting it? |
| 23:24.16 | Delph | K_Dallas: hmm, justworked for me. |
| 23:24.21 | glick | hehe some guy from Microsoft came to my school and debated with the head of the local lug |
| 23:24.32 | black_flag | hello all, anyone have experience with the "vpnc" vpn client? |
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| 23:24.45 | K_Dallas | Delph, i have tried it on several occasions, maybe something is wrong with me ;) |
| 23:24.49 | King_Brad | ok |
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| 23:24.59 | King_Brad | how do i specify a fS type with the mount command? |
| 23:25.19 | beardy | King_Brad: man mount |
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| 23:25.25 | K_Dallas | glick, Bellmer said today that Google is going out of biz in 5 years ;) so we cannot rely on what they say, can we? |
| 23:25.27 | chupie | i have a compaq proliant 5500, i have debian running on it. ive had it for about 2 months now, and just the other day processor #4 failed (supposedly), then just a little bit ago, i rebooted it and processors 1, and 3 failed... anyone have this kind of problem or know what might be causing it? |
| 23:25.41 | K_Dallas | King_Brad, on command line: -t FS |
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| 23:26.22 | glick | damn ive got mites |
| 23:26.29 | glick | well my plants do |
| 23:26.31 | King_Brad | :( |
| 23:26.32 | glick | which means my room does |
| 23:26.34 | glick | :( |
| 23:26.38 | glick | fuck! |
| 23:26.43 | King_Brad | fat and fat32 not supported? |
| 23:26.45 | King_Brad | hrm |
| 23:27.01 | K_Dallas | King_Brad, man mount has it all |
| 23:27.02 | kikiju | King_Brad: fat32 is called "vfat" |
| 23:27.11 | thingfish | glick: what kind of plants? |
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| 23:27.30 | King_Brad | ./dev/hda and /dev/hda are not valid block device.... |
| 23:27.41 | glick | thingfish, i have a dragon tree and an advocado tree |
| 23:27.48 | thingfish | nice |
| 23:27.50 | glick | i can see their webs and egg sacks all over the leavs |
| 23:27.57 | dvs | King_Brad: Not for a partition |
| 23:27.59 | thingfish | yuck |
| 23:28.08 | glick | what can i get for that? |
| 23:28.09 | deadcat | fsck'ing, x% non-contiguous whats that mean? |
| 23:28.30 | King_Brad | the hdd has a FAT32 unformatted partition on it |
| 23:28.33 | King_Brad | i know that much |
| 23:28.36 | thingfish | glick: just go to your nearest lawn and garden shop, they'll have something for it. |
| 23:28.41 | King_Brad | how can i delete the part and make a new one? |
| 23:28.42 | jbl | hmm |
| 23:28.51 | deadcat | King_Brad: taht for me? |
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| 23:28.58 | glick | thingfish, cause they will eventually kill the plant right? |
| 23:29.21 | thingfish | glick: I don't know about that, but in any case you don't want them. |
| 23:29.31 | kikiju | King_Brad: /dev/hda is the entire harddisk, /dev/hda1 is the first partition on the first harddisk. |
| 23:29.33 | glick | how do i get them out of my room? |
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| 23:29.41 | Skyblaze | anyone that uses xfce here? i got a problem with the load of xfmedia |
| 23:29.59 | thingfish | glick: get them off the plant, they'll be gone. |
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| 23:30.10 | glick | lil' bastards! |
| 23:30.16 | thingfish | if you need to respray, respray. |
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| 23:31.02 | King_Brad | kikiju according to cfdisk there is no drive at /dev/hda1 |
| 23:31.15 | nunez | how do I turn off bitchx's flood protection? |
| 23:31.17 | dvs | King_Brad: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 23:31.47 | King_Brad | ok |
| 23:31.54 | King_Brad | that didnt report anything back |
| 23:31.58 | King_Brad | just went to next line |
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| 23:32.35 | Delph | glick: soapy water |
| 23:32.37 | dvs | King_Brad: Then either there's nothing there or it's not a hard drive |
| 23:32.45 | Delph | glick: don't laugh, it works. |
| 23:32.59 | Delph | water + bit of washing up liquid + spray on |
| 23:33.10 | King_Brad | dvs , is there some kind of IDE package or something that might need to be installed? |
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| 23:33.25 | dvs | King_Brad: Try "fdisk -l" |
| 23:33.30 | King_Brad | the computer has never had an IDE hdd in it before..... well. never had AANY ide device |
| 23:33.31 | glick | Delph, wont that kill the plant? |
| 23:33.37 | Delph | nope |
| 23:33.43 | thingfish | even better, soak some tobacco in the soapy water. |
| 23:33.46 | King_Brad | that doesnt return anything either glick |
| 23:34.14 | Delph | no idea about the tobacco idea |
| 23:34.16 | fatalblu | you know what's funny? |
| 23:34.17 | thingfish | of course you can't make the soapy water too heavy on the soap. |
| 23:34.21 | Delph | yeah |
| 23:34.25 | fatalblu | chemical castration is covered by my HMO |
| 23:34.27 | Delph | like *lieeeetle* bit of it |
| 23:34.28 | fatalblu | just food for thought |
| 23:34.35 | thingfish | Delph: my dad does it on his garden every year. |
| 23:35.07 | thingfish | the nicotine is a poison. |
| 23:35.08 | Delph | i would try, but i'm allergic to tobacco. Makes me come out in a horrendous desire to kill anything around me and burn the place to the ground. |
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| 23:35.19 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:35.48 | thingfish | good thing to be allergic to. |
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| 23:35.58 | wallflower | Does linux have a good burning software that can write most formats? .iso/bin-cue/.img.cdretc. |
| 23:35.59 | cpjvelde | has someone managed to get 3d acceleration for radeon card working? |
| 23:36.03 | cpjvelde | im getting desperate |
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| 23:36.39 | cpjvelde | i did everything they said on http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html, but still fglrxinfo says mesa |
| 23:36.42 | Skyblaze | why only if i use gnome in firefox i see all the pages (words ecc) well? In others de like kde or even xfce(which is the same gtk2) in firefox i see the words that is like if they move some |
| 23:36.42 | Skyblaze | -_ |
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| 23:37.08 | King_Brad | bah |
| 23:37.13 | King_Brad | oh well |
| 23:37.15 | King_Brad | i give up |
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| 23:38.26 | myren | postfix is bouncing some of my emails, i cant figure out why |
| 23:38.29 | myren | i cant get any logging. :/ |
| 23:38.35 | myren | s/get/find/ |
| 23:39.42 | jharrison | myren: /var/log/mail.log |
| 23:39.43 | dvs | myren: /var/log/mail.* ? |
| 23:39.46 | nunez | anybody know of a way log all ips in an irc channel with xchat? |
| 23:39.57 | jharrison | nunez: um why? |
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| 23:40.41 | nunez | jharrison, Im researching a botnet from my honeypot |
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| 23:41.56 | Delph | I'm looking for a dockapp with something like the following properties: I want to tail logs externally, and if i find a match i want to be able to prod the dockapp over the network/unix fifo/a plain file/somewhere which gets it to change state, until i click on it to cancel the alert. |
| 23:42.08 | hellfire | nunez: what are you trying to do? |
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| 23:42.21 | nunez | hellfire, log all ips in a channel |
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| 23:42.35 | Delph | nunez: write a little script |
| 23:42.42 | hellfire | nunez: i hope you wont start a major hack attack? |
| 23:42.44 | Delph | xchat of itself isn't really very useful for such things. |
| 23:42.51 | nunez | hellfire, no lol |
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| 23:43.14 | Tecky | hm |
| 23:43.16 | resiak | Delph: Want to write it? :) |
| 23:43.17 | furrywolf | and what do you plan on doing with a list of compromised hosts? |
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| 23:43.40 | Tecky | you now have a converted slackware user using debian (used slackware for many many many years since v. 2) |
| 23:43.44 | myren | is there any way to tell logrotate to rotate a particular log now? |
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| 23:43.48 | cuti | how do we mount in fstab another linux partition with read |
| 23:43.48 | cuti | and write permission? |
| 23:43.58 | Delph | resiak: which is why I script a bot to do such things. |
| 23:44.28 | resiak | Delph: You have a bot that writes software for you? |
| 23:44.40 | pureone | lol |
| 23:44.44 | Delph | resiak: no, i have a bot that does arbitary commands for me =:) |
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| 23:44.55 | jharrison | sounds suspect to me |
| 23:44.59 | resiak | Delph: Oh, I see. I didn't mean that kind of writing. |
| 23:45.11 | nunez | Delph, where can I find info on how to write scripts? |
| 23:45.24 | pureone | ? google tcl tutorial |
| 23:45.26 | cuti | can someone help me? |
| 23:45.31 | gravity | ew... tcl |
| 23:45.32 | pureone | hmm didnt work |
| 23:45.32 | Delph | in co-ordination with various others, it's for testing an irc proxy |
| 23:45.43 | hellfire | cuti: rw |
| 23:45.45 | cuti | how do I mount my other linux partition in fstab with read and write permission |
| 23:45.48 | Delph | command() and expect() type syntax. |
| 23:45.51 | maher | cuti: add a line to fstab - man fstab, man mount |
| 23:45.59 | pureone | easyer to work with eggdrop then make your own one in perl or c |
| 23:46.03 | Delph | nunez: there's a nice guide on irssi.org to writing perl scripts for irssi |
| 23:46.05 | cuti | /dev/hdb2/home/user autorw 0 0 |
| 23:46.06 | cuti | ? |
| 23:46.13 | cuti | is this correct? |
| 23:46.15 | hellfire | auto,rw |
| 23:46.17 | Delph | writing eggdrop scripts is fairly pointless for what you want to do. |
| 23:46.26 | hellfire | or better rw,auto |
| 23:47.01 | grigora | hellfire: I just figured it out, the script cannot have an extension, which is a run-parts restriction, the name does not matter |
| 23:47.04 | cuti | thanks hellfire :) |
| 23:47.05 | resiak | Delph: You know that irssi's wiki got haxx0red? |
| 23:47.11 | hellfire | grigora: cool. |
| 23:47.13 | cuti | let me reboot |
| 23:47.25 | hellfire | cuti: dont reboot! |
| 23:47.35 | cuti | how |
| 23:47.38 | Delph | resiak: must have been many moons ago now |
| 23:47.41 | stupid_user | can some one help me figuring out what is wrong with uml that i'm tring to run? i create a 512Mb "hard disk" with dd if=/dev/zero of=root_fs bs=1M count=512. which then i formated with mk2fs mounted it via loop back device... and installed debian on debootstrap woody uml some.mirror.here but when i try to "boot" the image i get Kernel panic: outer trampoline didn't exit with SIGKILL |
| 23:47.44 | hellfire | cuti: you dont have to reboot. |
| 23:47.50 | cuti | how do i reload my fstab |
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| 23:48.04 | Delph | 2005-03-15 i was writing a script and it was dead |
| 23:48.06 | hellfire | cuti: and you forgot the type of the file system |
| 23:48.07 | Delph | (yay timestamps) |
| 23:48.22 | cuti | i choose auto |
| 23:48.25 | maher | cuti: just use mount to mount /path |
| 23:48.30 | Tecky | how can I remove all of Exim off my base debian install (fresh install) |
| 23:48.39 | cuti | /dev/hdb2/home/cuti autorw,auto 0 |
| 23:48.40 | cuti | ? |
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| 23:48.44 | myren | i think she lies. my mail server is wroking fine, and she's not in my logs... the women, they are evil. |
| 23:48.45 | Tecky | i did apt-get remove exim4 ... but still seems like there is remnants |
| 23:48.47 | resiak | Delph: Sure, fair enough. |
| 23:48.49 | maher | cuti: mount /home/cuti |
| 23:48.50 | gravity | Tecky: Install another MTA and purge exim |
| 23:48.53 | glick | hey how do i set it so that when i plug in a usb or my firewire harddrive it automatically mounts it to a place? |
| 23:49.01 | hellfire | cuti: you can try with auto, but i dont think this will work. try it. |
| 23:49.01 | cuti | yeah i know how to do it manually |
| 23:49.11 | cuti | i just want to make sure if fstab work when i reboot |
| 23:49.17 | glick | kina like a cdrom on some distros automatically mount when you insert them |
| 23:49.22 | maher | cuti: it will |
| 23:49.34 | cuti | ext2 |
| 23:49.37 | cuti | thanks :D |
| 23:49.42 | stupid_user | glick imho that is automount daemon |
| 23:49.43 | Tecky | hrm |
| 23:49.47 | sparr_ | If you are using Debian and Openbox would you take a minute to help me duplicate a bug? |
| 23:49.58 | glick | stupid_user, is that userspace or kenel space? |
| 23:50.02 | myren | sparr_: if its quick, sure. ;) |
| 23:50.16 | gravity | Tecky: Don't /msg me |
| 23:50.17 | myren | i dont know if there are Openbox devs anymore though |
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| 23:50.21 | stupid_user | glick i'm not sure, i've personaly never dealt with them. |
| 23:50.23 | gravity | Tecky: /topic |
| 23:50.32 | rob_lt | I installed the kde-devel metapackage, which I assumed would have installed the libqt3 dev files. However, I'm trying now to install libqt3-dev to compile a qt app, but I'm getting an error because this conflicts with libqt3-mt-dev, which is part of kde-devel. |
| 23:50.39 | Tecky | how do install postfix-ldap + its dependancy's using apt-get cmd line? |
| 23:50.40 | resiak | sparr_: Gopher it. |
| 23:50.43 | sparr_ | myren: install gimp and xbase-clients, then do update-menus with hints on |
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| 23:51.04 | rob_lt | Did I install the wrong things? Should I not have installed kde-devel? |
| 23:51.44 | gravity | Tecky: I don't use apt-get on the command line. I use aptitude interactively for such things. Install postfix and whatever the postfix-ldap module is (aptitude has a search function or you can use apt-cache) |
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| 23:52.02 | sparr_ | myren: the xbase-clients package provides a program called Bitmap, which goes in Apps/Graphics, which triggers a bug in the openbox menu-method causing the Apps/Graphics/Bitmap submenu (which includes the 'The Gimp' item) to disappear |
| 23:52.17 | maher | Tecky: did you try apt-get install postfix ldap etc |
| 23:52.20 | coruptkid | hi can anyone please tell me where i can get a copy of BOOTACTV |
| 23:52.22 | Jim__ | algum brasileiro? |
| 23:52.30 | chealer | !br |
| 23:52.30 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:52.34 | resiak | sparr_: No, The Gimp is just in Apps/Graphics/ for me. |
| 23:52.36 | jazzmans | I downloaded a rar file, but cannot seem to uncompress it with unrar, any suggestions? |
| 23:52.43 | resiak | !unrar |
| 23:52.43 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
| 23:52.46 | Jim__ | #debian-br |
| 23:52.46 | sparr_ | resiak: you have to turn on hints |
| 23:52.48 | zinx | jazzmans: download non-free rar |
| 23:52.54 | resiak | sparr_: How, exactly? |
| 23:53.15 | coruptkid | can anyone suggest any alternatives to bootactv?? |
| 23:53.17 | hellfire | Jim__: /join #debian-br |
| 23:53.24 | sparr_ | resiak: edit /etc/menu-methods/menu.h and uncomment the first 4 lines starting with 'hint_' |
| 23:53.33 | stupid_user | can some one help me figuring out what is wrong with uml that i'm tring to run? i create a 512Mb "hard disk" with dd if=/dev/zero of=root_fs bs=1M count=512. which then i formated with mk2fs mounted it via loop back device... and installed debian on debootstrap woody uml some.mirror.here but when i try to "boot" the image i get "Kernel panic: outer trampoline didn't exit with SIGKILL" |
| 23:53.38 | sparr_ | resiak: the best feature no one knows about :) |
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| 23:54.21 | myren | sparr_: what gimp should I install? |
| 23:54.31 | kbs | what ps -o option will return me the total [ie, data+stack+code] size for a process? |
| 23:54.46 | sparr_ | myren: not sure... im using package 'gimp' from unstable. i would expect them to all provide the same menu items |
| 23:54.53 | resiak | sparr_: hint_optimize=false |
| 23:54.56 | resiak | sparr_: Change that to true? |
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| 23:54.58 | sparr_ | yes |
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| 23:55.07 | resiak | sparr_: Then uncomment the next 3 lines? |
| 23:55.10 | sparr_ | yes |
| 23:56.09 | jazzmans | is there unrar-nonfree available for amd64? I don't see it in sources. |
| 23:56.41 | Tecky | how do i get this default base install to have a staticly set ip ? |
| 23:56.59 | sparr_ | Tecky: ifconfig eth0 t.h.e.ip |
| 23:56.59 | glick | yeah i wont free front seats to their concert, and two free dinners :) |
| 23:57.02 | glick | wont = won |
| 23:57.05 | resiak | sparr_: Works like an absolute charm. :) |
| 23:57.07 | maher | Tecky: use etherconf or edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:57.40 | sparr_ | resiak: so you have an entry called Apps/Graphics/Bitmap that launches 'bitmap' and one called Apps/Graphics/Bitmap/The Gimp that launches 'gimp'? |
| 23:58.00 | glick | my favorite song is "Trista Pena" |
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| 23:58.06 | glick | or "Sad Penis" |
| 23:58.25 | glick | if my spanish serves me correctlyu |
| 23:59.10 | myren | sparr_: i'm not getting anything.... both of those entries exist for me, they both work fine. i have the first four lines of hint uncommented. |
| 23:59.26 | sparr_ | myren: so you have an entry AND a menu called Bitmap? |
| 23:59.34 | myren | no, just an entry |
