| 00:00.08 | sparr_ | where is the The Gimp entry for you? |
| 00:00.25 | resiak | sparr_: No, I have an entry called Apps/Graphics/The Gimp |
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| 00:00.56 | resiak | sparr_: No, I have an entry called Apps/Graphics/Bitmap that launches bitmap. |
| 00:01.20 | sparr_ | damn |
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| 00:01.28 | sparr_ | you dont have enough stuff installed to make it use the Bitmap hint to create a Bitmap menu for gimp |
| 00:01.28 | sparr_ | thanks for trying |
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| 00:01.32 | jazzmans | glick, have you heard their cover of hotel california? It's excellent. |
| 00:02.20 | glick | jazzmans, no i havent |
| 00:02.30 | glick | i have their "back to our roots" cd |
| 00:02.38 | P1ersson | i have messed upp my apt: dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. i am root, the path is correct, update-rc.d is in the path. I am in the middle of a woody -> testing upgrade. it occurs when i for example do apt-get -f install. More error messages: >debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog< |
| 00:02.45 | jazzmans | go watch 'the big lebowski', it's used during the 'jesus' scene in the bowling alley. |
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| 00:02.46 | glick | jazzmans, what am i talking about yes i have |
| 00:02.49 | glick | i have that album |
| 00:02.59 | jazzmans | lol! |
| 00:03.03 | glick | jazzmans, i know every line of that movie by heart |
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| 00:03.15 | sparr_ | i hate bugs that require wierd setups to reproduce |
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| 00:03.34 | jazzmans | glick, the coen brothers are fricking geniuses. |
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| 00:04.35 | hellfire | what was that? |
| 00:04.35 | glick | jazzmans, thats an amazing film, its weird the first time you watch it you dont like it, you actually have to watch it like 3 times before you realise how amazng themovie is and how engienous it is |
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| 00:04.46 | kelan | ooh |
| 00:04.47 | jazzmans | glick, have you seen any other coen brothers films? |
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| 00:04.53 | glick | just fargo |
| 00:05.04 | thingfish | trista pena is not spanish. |
| 00:05.04 | thingfish | I'm not sure what it's supposed to be. |
| 00:05.10 | busybox | hi |
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| 00:05.16 | jazzmans | oh, man. check out millers crossing, or barton fink. (disclaimer, I adore every film they've done) |
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| 00:05.27 | glick | heh |
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| 00:06.01 | glick | what type of music is Gypsi kings? |
| 00:06.10 | glick | is it salsa, or marange, or cha cha? |
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| 00:06.22 | hellfire | jazzmans: barton fink rulez! |
| 00:06.31 | marra | glick: marange i think |
| 00:06.33 | jazzmans | uh, mexican pop, for lack of a better term.. I have mostly stopped trying to classify music, because most good music fits into many different categories. |
| 00:06.37 | jazzmans | yeah hellfire! |
| 00:06.54 | glick | i been tryin to teach myself how to dance salsa |
| 00:07.04 | glick | if you can dance salsa the chicks will be all over you like stink on a monkey |
| 00:07.12 | hellfire | jazzmans: the strange atmosphere in that hotel.. |
| 00:07.30 | jazzmans | "I am the light of the vine!" |
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| 00:08.08 | hellfire | jazzman: so you sure know "lost highway" too. |
| 00:08.24 | jazzmans | yep, david lynch is a great (weird) director. |
| 00:08.50 | dvs | tim burton's better |
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| 00:09.07 | hellfire | jazzmans: yes after "eraserhead" my brain exploded |
| 00:09.21 | marra | glick: :o) |
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| 00:09.27 | glick | you see the movie "Spanking the monkey" ? |
| 00:09.27 | Kerr | A friend just asked me to set up a http proxy as his phone doesn't support sockets, and he wants to use jmirc. Can anyone reccomend a secure, lightwate, easy to configure proxy package? |
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| 00:09.47 | glick | omg that movie was fscked up yet i couldnt stop watching it |
| 00:10.10 | deadcat | glick: thats a porno right? |
| 00:10.10 | factotum | spankng the monkey? yeah I liked it |
| 00:10.10 | glick | i kept wanting to have sex with the dudes mom too |
| 00:10.10 | glick | deadcat, no its not |
| 00:10.11 | deadcat | doh |
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| 00:10.20 | glick | its a movie about this kid who starts havin sex with his hot mom |
| 00:10.28 | deadcat | ah |
| 00:10.30 | marra | ... |
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| 00:10.54 | magyar | ahoy |
| 00:10.58 | factotum | kind of like that show nip tuck, but with less crap |
| 00:11.18 | glick | then he talks to his dad on the fone one day and hes like "guess what dad, i been fsckin mom like every other night for the last couple of months now" |
| 00:11.33 | glick | and his dads like "you son of a bitch ima wash your mouth out with soap when i get home" |
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| 00:12.43 | busybox | what's going on? |
| 00:12.55 | dvs | bus just got here. ;-) |
| 00:13.00 | kelan | rollercoaster |
| 00:13.24 | zumbi | busybox ls -l |
| 00:13.39 | zumbi | does great! |
| 00:13.44 | busybox | me? |
| 00:14.04 | zumbi | is a kind of joke |
| 00:14.17 | stupid_user | can some one help me figuring out what is wrong with uml that i'm tring to run? i create a 512Mb "hard disk" with dd if=/dev/zero of=root_fs bs=1M count=512. which then i formated with mk2fs mounted it via loop back device... and installed debian on debootstrap woody uml some.mirror.here but when i try to "boot" the image i get "Kernel panic: outer trampoline didn't exit with SIGKILL" |
| 00:14.28 | zumbi | i am compiling busybox ... :-) |
| 00:14.29 | busybox | interesting |
| 00:14.40 | magyar | can someone suggest a good web browser? |
| 00:14.52 | marra | magyar: firefox :o) |
| 00:14.58 | zumbi | magyar, i use mozilla, but what for ? |
| 00:14.59 | dondelelcaro | magyar: firefox, links, elinks, lynx, galeon, konqueror... |
| 00:14.59 | K_Dallas | magyar, lynx |
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| 00:15.10 | stupid_user | magyar firefox, opera |
| 00:15.24 | rob_lt | IE |
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| 00:15.30 | marra | yep great ASCII pr0n on lynx, brings memories... |
| 00:15.32 | magyar | firefox is not working properly on Debian |
| 00:15.35 | hellfire | ez az astal |
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| 00:15.40 | rob_lt | I run IE in wine 'cause I just can't get enough of it... it just rocks |
| 00:15.43 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i got my ibook back. brand new logicboard. and i asked them about applecare for this book and the guy said i have till aug2006 (=. now what can i do with applecare? hehe. |
| 00:15.48 | stupid_user | magyar yes it is |
| 00:15.48 | magyar | neither does mozilla |
| 00:15.56 | busybox | wget & prozilla & curl |
| 00:16.02 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nice |
| 00:16.11 | magyar | stupid_user: have you tried installing themes? |
| 00:16.11 | marra | magyar: i had no problems with them |
| 00:16.18 | stupid_user | magyar yes |
| 00:16.22 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, I just had a minor scare here... though my logic board or pmu had gone bye-bye... but resetting the pmu brought it back up |
| 00:16.25 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. never knew i had applecare |
| 00:16.30 | zumbi | rob_lt, is that true ? |
| 00:16.31 | magyar | stupid_user: which version? |
| 00:16.40 | rob_lt | zumbi: no... I'm just being an ass :) |
| 00:16.45 | magyar | marra: i do |
| 00:16.55 | zumbi | :-) that would be curious |
| 00:17.00 | glick | i dont have money for fancy laptops, pcs and ibooks |
| 00:17.01 | glick | :( |
| 00:17.02 | stupid_user | magyar started with Pre 1.0 now i'm 1.0.4 |
| 00:17.11 | rob_lt | zumbi: some people do run IE in wine I guess to test their web pages though... so I think it would be possible. |
| 00:17.13 | glick | just my humble pc x86 laptop and debian |
| 00:17.50 | myren | what can i use to query . for my domain name? |
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| 00:17.56 | myren | dns lookup myself |
| 00:18.00 | Kerr | can anyone reccomend a http proxy package? |
| 00:18.03 | myren | i'm afraid i'm getting a response from me and not from . |
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| 00:18.13 | rob_lt | Kerr: squid? |
| 00:18.16 | marra | magyar: which version? |
| 00:18.18 | stupid_user | kerr privoxy, squid |
| 00:18.23 | myren | erm, how do i do a dns lookup? |
| 00:18.28 | magyar | marra: everytime i try to install a theme on 1.0.3 it takes me to an update site. Sarge is still on 1.0.3. When i install 1.0.4, when i click on install theme it starts displaying the .jar file instead of installing |
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| 00:18.44 | stupid_user | myren nslookup hostname, dig... |
| 00:19.09 | zumbi | kerr, tinyproxy - A lightweight, non-caching, optionally anonymizing http proxy |
| 00:19.09 | busybox | whois <ip here> |
| 00:19.09 | garung | do you know why my /etc/ini.d wasn't auto start when i boot up? |
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| 00:19.13 | stupid_user | s/hostname/host |
| 00:19.44 | rob_lt | garung: which script in /etc/init.d/ isn't starting? |
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| 00:19.53 | garung | rob_lt, firewall |
| 00:19.53 | marra | magyar: hm sorry don-t know then i have 1.0.3 |
| 00:20.00 | garung | i have to do it manually everytime |
| 00:20.35 | magyar | mara: how would i install a theme on 1.0.3 or extentions? |
| 00:20.36 | resiak | magyar: It's possible to make Firefox lie about its version. |
| 00:20.42 | rob_lt | garung: update-rc.d <script-name> defaults |
| 00:21.03 | garung | cool |
| 00:21.06 | garung | thanks rob_lt :) |
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| 00:21.15 | magyar | resiak: ahh, now we are talking business |
| 00:21.17 | rob_lt | garung: update-rc.d is what you use to manage everything in init.d |
| 00:21.39 | resiak | magyar: You can google it for yourself. I don't use Firefox, so have no idea how you do that. Try about:config , though. |
| 00:22.01 | magyar | resiak: what are you using, if i may? |
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| 00:22.08 | rob_lt | garung: if you want it to start last (to make sure the network is up), you could "update-rc.d <script-name> defaults 99" |
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| 00:22.12 | resiak | magyar: Galeon. |
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| 00:22.27 | magyar | resiak: are you on gnome? |
| 00:22.39 | resiak | magyar: No, I use Openbox with XFce's panel. |
| 00:22.40 | xenwryly | can anyone recommend an apt source for emacs cvs debs? |
| 00:22.46 | hellfire | resiak: how do you mean lying about the version? |
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| 00:22.46 | resiak | xenwryly: Google can. |
| 00:22.50 | garung | rob_lt, what is different if i do start last? |
| 00:22.55 | resiak | hellfire: User-agent string, I think. |
| 00:23.23 | suki | hi, im using xandros (which is a clone of debian), is it possible for me to change my apt-get sources to debian sources ? |
| 00:23.29 | resiak | !based on debian |
| 00:23.29 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 00:23.30 | xenwryly | resiak: google can give me a link, but only #debian can give me a recommendation I would trust |
| 00:23.34 | hellfire | resiak: well i think it sure can. (client side security doesnt work) 8-) |
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| 00:23.44 | rob_lt | garung: I'm just saying, if it will fail or something if eth0 isn't up yet, then you can make it start last by appending the 99. You only need to do that if it depends on something else, like networking, already being started. |
| 00:23.55 | garung | 0h |
| 00:23.56 | furrywolf | you trust people here? :P |
| 00:23.56 | garung | i see |
| 00:23.57 | resiak | hellfire: I _know_ you can do it. All I'm saying is that I haven't done it myself, since I don't use Firefox. |
| 00:24.00 | garung | :D |
| 00:24.04 | garung | thanks rob_lt |
| 00:24.08 | rob_lt | np |
| 00:24.16 | hellfire | resiak: ah. |
| 00:24.50 | rob_lt | garung: FYI, I like to make an /etc/init.d/local script with a bunch of crap in it that I want run every boot, and I add it last using update-rc.d with the 99. |
| 00:25.13 | bob2 | suki: yes, but you won't be running debian |
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| 00:25.21 | scarynetworkguy | hellfire: But you really shouldn't do it. Here's why http://www.scarynetworkguy.net/2004/09/software-and-freedom.html |
| 00:25.29 | ralfWORK | anyone setup ssh-krb5 here? |
| 00:25.31 | garung | yeah |
| 00:25.36 | idealbsd | furrywolf, just trust youself, none is the GOD :) |
| 00:25.38 | ralfWORK | I have it setup but it keeps asking me for a password |
| 00:25.47 | ralfWORK | I have a krb5 ticket, should be fine |
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| 00:25.52 | Tecky | I switched from dhcp to static ip address and I know i need to list DNS Servers & the gateway ... where is that done ? |
| 00:26.05 | dondelelcaro | Tecky: 1) /etc/resolv.conf 2) /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:26.09 | fatalblu | gateway is done through route |
| 00:26.15 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: We're not talking about doing that. |
| 00:26.17 | suki | aaite another question, after installation my hostname is all in caps , eg user@HOSTNAME, ive editted my /etc/hostname to small fonts |
| 00:26.18 | fatalblu | dns through /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:26.24 | suki | still doesnt work |
| 00:26.35 | dondelelcaro | !tell suki about hostname |
| 00:26.36 | bob2 | suki: why did you set it to caps to begin with? |
| 00:26.37 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: We're talking about making Firefox lie about its version so you can install themes which "require" 1.0.4 on 1.0.3 |
| 00:26.46 | suki | bob2, i didnt |
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| 00:27.01 | ralfWORK | at this point I'm just trying to ssh to the hostname I'm on (not using 'localhost' mind you) |
| 00:27.04 | suki | damn os did :P |
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| 00:27.15 | gravity | yay not-really-debian |
| 00:27.19 | ralfWORK | closest thing I can see being wroing is this error with ssh -v |
| 00:27.26 | Jamsi | Whats the command when using apt-get to show more info about the package? |
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| 00:27.53 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Ahhh. Different deal then. |
| 00:27.54 | phogg | Jamsi: apt-cache show packagename |
| 00:28.00 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Heh. I agree with you, FWIW. |
| 00:28.29 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: Although it can help to change user-agent in order to get into a page in order to find the complaints box in order to complain :) |
| 00:28.32 | rob_lt | Tecky: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ |
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| 00:28.35 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Cool. |
| 00:28.37 | hellfire | scarynetworkguy: one word: Lynx/2.8.5rel.1 |
| 00:28.52 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Heh. Yeah. That just might be a good use. |
| 00:28.53 | ralfWORK | bleh. |
| 00:28.59 | ralfWORK | I don't actually have anything that's clearly an error |
| 00:29.24 | ralfWORK | ass I look at ssh go down it's list of authentication mechs it just kinda tries gssapi and doesnt say anything as far as an error |
| 00:29.32 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how I can load a .img file in debian? |
| 00:29.44 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: file foo.img , find out what it is.. |
| 00:29.59 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: thanks. |
| 00:30.12 | Jamsi | Cheers phogg :) |
| 00:30.14 | hellfire | scarynetworkguy: would you then ignore a service if you couldnt use it without changing your user agent string? |
| 00:30.16 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: Wait.. what? I know what it is.. |
| 00:30.21 | ralfWORK | here we go, if I run 'sshd -ddd': |
| 00:30.22 | doublehp | how to recover the output value of dialog without using a temp file ? |
| 00:30.26 | ralfWORK | Failed gssapi-with-mic for jwalker from 192.168.250.15 port 1142 ssh2 |
| 00:30.29 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: What kind of file is it? |
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| 00:30.42 | scarynetworkguy | hellfire: Of course. |
| 00:30.57 | TwistedEmotions | resiak: It's a DVD Image. |
| 00:31.11 | ralfWORK | that doesnt tell me anything though |
| 00:31.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: feel free to reboot and test it out. (= |
| 00:31.22 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: Then mount it. |
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| 00:31.37 | happyIRC | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.02 | busybox | WTF |
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| 00:32.28 | TwistedEmotions | !tell twistedemotions about mount |
| 00:32.44 | zumbi | does somebody know how to stop a running program on gdb ? |
| 00:32.51 | TwistedEmotions | wow.. that things useless.. |
| 00:32.54 | dvs | ^C |
| 00:33.07 | furrywolf | twisted: just /msg dpkg <whatever> |
| 00:33.09 | resiak | TwistedEmotions: man mount. |
| 00:33.16 | resiak | furrywolf: twisted<TAB> ;-) |
| 00:33.38 | furrywolf | resiak: if you can figure out how to make this $@$! 5-year old copy of ircii tab complete, feel free to tell me. :P |
| 00:33.43 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you know if theres a way to check how much applecare you have left? |
| 00:33.56 | rob_lt | TwistedEmotions: mount -o loop foo.img /mnt/foo |
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| 00:35.02 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: no clue |
| 00:35.12 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I've never bothered to get it, so I really don't know |
| 00:35.15 | doublehp | how to redirect the outpput of a command in a variable without using var=`command` ? |
| 00:35.16 | resiak | furrywolf: The obvious answer is "use irssi, you nutcase". |
| 00:35.24 | resiak | doublehp: Why wouldn't you want to do that? |
| 00:35.28 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: var=$(command) |
| 00:35.32 | dondelelcaro | s/deadcat/doublehp/ |
| 00:35.40 | deadcat | when i use hardstatus, the [username@hostname]:[pwd] on my terminal bar thing doesnt change anymore. caption is fine. any idea? |
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| 00:35.44 | furrywolf | resiak: I'm ircing from my p2-350, as my dual p3-866, using .12-rc3, is unstable as hell... |
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| 00:35.49 | deadcat | ^^ screen(1) |
| 00:36.10 | dvs | furrywolf: Why use such an unstable kernel? |
| 00:36.10 | resiak | furrywolf: My k6-400 runs Sarge. |
| 00:36.15 | rue_mohr | ok another question, mozilla dosn't seem to have come with java, is there a debian package or should I be downloading self extracting archives from sun?????? |
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| 00:36.25 | bob2 | !!!!!!! |
| 00:36.26 | dpkg | well, !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 00:36.29 | dvs | !tell rue_mohr about java |
| 00:36.29 | TwistedEmotions | rob_lt: thanks., |
| 00:36.30 | rue_mohr | I cant find a jre package... |
| 00:36.54 | deadcat | bob2: they didnt give me a g4 (=, but new logicboard. and cleaned my monitor hehe. |
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| 00:36.56 | rue_mohr | dvs, great, how about helping me get the plugin for mozilla? |
| 00:36.59 | furrywolf | resiak: I'd need to start with a fresh install... at some point around 2001 or so, dpkg managed to eat the package status files... |
| 00:37.10 | bob2 | deadcat: aw |
| 00:37.18 | bob2 | deadcat: at least you can have working wireless, tho |
| 00:37.22 | resiak | furrywolf: So recreate them? |
| 00:37.39 | scarynetworkguy | rue_mohr: java.sun.com Yes you will have to read and think. Shock and horror. I know. |
| 00:37.39 | furrywolf | when I get a stable kernel for my other box, I'll be retiring this one, so not worth fixing it. |
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| 00:37.55 | furrywolf | resiak: dpkg thinks nothing is installed. zilch. nada. :) |
| 00:37.56 | Kerr | TinyProxy's config is confusing me. Does it allow anybody to connect/use it, or only users with accounts on my box? |
| 00:38.01 | resiak | furrywolf: So fix it. |
| 00:38.02 | rue_mohr | scarynetworkguy, I just wanted to know if there was a debian package, if there is, its preffered |
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| 00:38.06 | resiak | furrywolf: You can do that. |
| 00:38.11 | furrywolf | I'll fix it by getting rid of the box... |
| 00:38.14 | rue_mohr | I'm fine with downloading fom sun |
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| 00:38.21 | deadcat | bob2: ya. lucky for me i have orinoco_usb rather than crappy ass linux-wlan-ng. that thing will hang the kernel if you go into promiscuous mode with heavy traffic. |
| 00:38.30 | bob2 | hah |
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| 00:39.07 | scarynetworkguy | !tell rue_mohr about p.d.o |
| 00:39.23 | rue_mohr | I did that already |
| 00:39.36 | rue_mohr | looked at everything mozilla and java, installed everything relivent |
| 00:39.38 | rue_mohr | didn't work |
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| 00:39.51 | pruonckk | salve povo |
| 00:39.59 | pruonckk | alguem sabe como eu seto esta permissao ---s--x--- ? |
| 00:40.04 | rue_mohr | there seem to be no java-mozilla packages, which is plausable |
| 00:40.07 | resiak | !es |
| 00:40.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:40.07 | dondelelcaro | !spanish |
| 00:40.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:40.08 | Delph | rue_mohr: use java-package from testing; then install mozilla-java-plugin or something similar. |
| 00:40.14 | helix | that isn't spanish you uncultured louts |
| 00:40.14 | bob2 | er |
| 00:40.19 | bob2 | .br = portuguese |
| 00:40.20 | bob2 | even I know that |
| 00:40.22 | helix | pruonckk: #debian-br |
| 00:40.26 | bob2 | and I'm a dumb australian |
| 00:40.32 | bucky | !br |
| 00:40.32 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 00:40.34 | pruonckk | helix, sorry |
| 00:40.38 | Delph | or it it the other one. |
| 00:40.40 | pruonckk | its fail |
| 00:40.43 | deadcat | i think thats japanese |
| 00:40.43 | rue_mohr | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 00:40.46 | dondelelcaro | eh, it's all latin based to me. |
| 00:40.53 | Cyanophytes | is there any way to find out what modules go with a setting in the kernel config. CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_HCD=m CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_OHCI=m |
| 00:40.53 | pruonckk | somebody can say me how i set this permission with chmod ---s--x--- |
| 00:41.09 | Cyanophytes | I want to do a modprobe to load them |
| 00:41.13 | rue_mohr | apt-cache search java |grep mozilla |
| 00:41.14 | bob2 | Cyanophytes: read the help for them |
| 00:41.22 | dondelelcaro | pruonckk: chmod 1010; but no clue why you'd want that. |
| 00:41.25 | bob2 | pruonckk: that permission is useless |
| 00:41.25 | rue_mohr | turn up nothing like mozilla-java-plugin |
| 00:41.50 | resiak | !tell rue_mohr -about java |
| 00:41.52 | resiak | !tell rue_mohr -about install java |
| 00:42.02 | resiak | rue_mohr: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:42.03 | rue_mohr | Ii know what java is, and have installed it |
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| 00:42.09 | dondelelcaro | rr... 6010 |
| 00:42.13 | rue_mohr | I need the mozilla to do java |
| 00:42.14 | pruonckk | chmod 4110 |
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| 00:42.16 | pruonckk | hehe |
| 00:42.17 | kund4l1n1 | hi |
| 00:42.18 | Cyanophytes | bob2: Do you know what they are listed as in the kernel menuconfig. I'm told I need them but I can't find them. |
| 00:42.20 | pruonckk | thanks |
| 00:42.33 | rue_mohr | resiak, testing |
| 00:42.33 | deadcat | i would just chmod 0010 then add teh s (= |
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| 00:42.38 | dvs | rue_mohr: Did you install mozilla? |
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| 00:42.45 | rue_mohr | I'm running it, yes |
| 00:42.48 | Delph | bah, i've lost the package. |
| 00:42.59 | dondelelcaro | right... ----S--x--- is what I gave... |
| 00:43.01 | rue_mohr | dvs, the java applet I'm looking at dosn't work, no |
| 00:43.08 | rue_mohr | and its turned on in the preferences |
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| 00:43.19 | bob2 | Cyanophytes: no idea |
| 00:43.24 | doublehp | how to recover the output value of dialog without using a temp file ? |
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| 00:43.36 | bob2 | Cyanophytes: I'd grep the Kconfig files for it, personally |
| 00:43.46 | kbs | what ps -o option will return me the total [ie, data+stack+code] size for a process? |
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| 00:44.09 | resiak | man ps ! |
| 00:44.14 | Cyanophytes | bob2: how do it do that? |
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| 00:44.17 | dvs | !find libjavaplugin.so |
| 00:44.24 | rue_mohr | dvs, mozilla says there is no java plugin, the only path I can find leads me to the java self extracting archive |
| 00:44.26 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libjavaplugin.so' returned no results. |
| 00:44.31 | rue_mohr | aha |
| 00:44.31 | kbs | resiak: ah yes -- tried that :-) I'm confused between what VSZ says, and what top reports as the size |
| 00:44.33 | rue_mohr | see? |
| 00:44.33 | deadcat | dvs: get it from sun.com |
| 00:44.34 | buu | Blah blah, how do I add users to groups again? |
| 00:44.44 | bob2 | Cyanophytes: find -name Kconfig | xargs grep CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_HCD |
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| 00:44.52 | bob2 | Cyanophytes: er, but they look very much like things you can't touch |
| 00:44.55 | dvs | rue_mohr: apt-get install java-package |
| 00:45.04 | bob2 | Cyanophytes: and very much like things that aren't actually modules |
| 00:45.08 | pentium451 | buu: emacs /etc/group |
| 00:45.20 | Delph | dvs: it comes as sun-j2sdk1.4, so won't be findable by that bot, as it's a locally generated package. |
| 00:45.27 | rue_mohr | dvs I already have |
| 00:45.27 | Delph | (or whatever version you're using) |
| 00:45.40 | dvs | rue_mohr: Did you install it? |
| 00:45.43 | rue_mohr | !find libjavaplugin |
| 00:45.45 | rue_mohr | yes I did |
| 00:45.52 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libjavaplugin' returned no results. |
| 00:45.53 | dvs | rue_mohr: The java package it creates? |
| 00:45.55 | buu | pentium451: Heh, ok |
| 00:45.57 | jerome | buu: adduser user group |
| 00:45.59 | Delph | rue_mohr: just do the symlink by hand? |
| 00:46.02 | rue_mohr | dvs, er? |
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| 00:46.14 | Cyanophytes | bob2: yes you are right they are supposed to be y instead of m. |
| 00:46.21 | rue_mohr | no wait a sec, there is no "java-package" |
| 00:46.23 | Cyanophytes | my typing error |
| 00:46.32 | bob2 | Cyanophytes: why are you touching them at all? |
| 00:46.35 | dvs | rue_mohr: You're suppose to download a java package from www.sun.com and use java-package to make a .deb file |
| 00:46.51 | Cyanophytes | bob2: I want to load them in my kernel |
| 00:46.57 | bob2 | Cyanophytes: WHY? |
| 00:46.58 | rue_mohr | ??? |
| 00:47.09 | rue_mohr | what kinda process is THAT???? |
| 00:47.15 | dvs | rue_mohr: A legal one |
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| 00:47.34 | bob2 | rue_mohr: blame sun for being useless idiots |
| 00:47.41 | rue_mohr | and how is this better than me running the self extracting sun thing and hand installing? |
| 00:47.45 | bob2 | if they'd put java under a useless license, no one would have issues with it |
| 00:47.55 | Cyanophytes | bob2: I'm working on connecting my mobile phone to my laptop for internet access using the phone internet access. |
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| 00:48.06 | dvs | rue_mohr: When it comes to uninstalling and upgrading, it's easy. |
| 00:48.08 | bob2 | Cyanophytes: I really really doubt you need to touch that config option |
| 00:48.24 | Cyanophytes | ok |
| 00:48.29 | Cyanophytes | thanks |
| 00:48.30 | rue_mohr | ok, I'm gonna manually do er |
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| 00:48.51 | dvs | rue_mohr: whatever floats your boat |
| 00:49.26 | Delph | a |
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| 00:50.07 | Delph | rue_mohr: it's really not that hard to do, and means that you don't need to bother faffing around with fake packages and stuff |
| 00:50.14 | buu | Hrm. I have a user named "foo" and a user named "bar". I want "bar" to be able to read/write/etc every thing in ~foo. So I su to root, do "adduser bar foo", which adds bar to group foo, then, as foo, I cd ~; and do: chmod -R g+rw *, but then as bar, I try to create a directory and get a permissions errror. |
| 00:50.38 | buu | Am I missing something obvious here? |
| 00:50.54 | furrywolf | buu: try chmod g+rw ./ |
| 00:51.22 | buu | furrywolf: Erm, ok |
| 00:51.25 | Delph | and remember you may want to set the sticky flag, so new things get created as that group |
| 00:51.28 | resiak | buu: You need to have ownership of the directory in which you're creating files. |
| 00:51.29 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: reboot? |
| 00:51.32 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya |
| 00:51.35 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
| 00:51.37 | resiak | buu: s/ownership/write permission/ |
| 00:52.01 | buu | resiak: Isn't that what I just set up? |
| 00:52.04 | buu | furrywolf: No dice. |
| 00:52.17 | resiak | buu: No, * doesn't catch . (afaik). |
| 00:52.32 | Delph | buu: for the obvious reason that rm * would have interesting side effects. |
| 00:52.32 | buu | resiak: I just tried 'chmod g+rwx .' |
| 00:52.33 | rue_mohr | hmm where shoudl I put the jre1.5.0_03 folder??? |
| 00:52.37 | resiak | buu: Oh well :-/ |
| 00:52.40 | furrywolf | have you logged out and back in to make sure you got the group changes? |
| 00:52.48 | buu | furrywolf: I need to? |
| 00:52.59 | dvs | rue_mohr: Don't know |
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| 00:53.12 | pentium451 | buu: log out and back in |
| 00:53.16 | Delph | buu: groups get allocated as you login. there's some crazytool somewhere which lets you refresh the groups as you're going, but I've no idea where it is. |
| 00:53.18 | buu | pentium451: I just did. |
| 00:53.26 | buu | hrm |
| 00:54.00 | rue_mohr | hmmmm |
| 00:54.03 | pentium451 | buu: "$ groups" |
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| 00:54.21 | pentium451 | see if it's up to date |
| 00:54.28 | cafuego | rue_mohr: Nowhere. Don't unpack it. |
| 00:54.33 | buu | ah.. |
| 00:54.35 | Delph | rue_mohr: you should install the package, because then it'll get put in the debian-proper place |
| 00:54.40 | dvs | cafuego: He wants to do it manually |
| 00:54.49 | cafuego | dvs: He needs to use make-jpkg |
| 00:54.55 | Delph | rue_mohr: really, the package would already have been installed by now. |
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| 00:54.58 | dvs | cafuego: We tried telling him that |
| 00:54.59 | w00t | wow |
| 00:55.05 | buu | blah, one sec |
| 00:55.08 | cafuego | dvs: Ok, so I can ignore him now |
| 00:55.15 | w00t | im on windows but im running irc on DOS |
| 00:55.17 | dvs | cafuego: Pretty much |
| 00:55.37 | furrywolf | cafuego/cthulfuego: been reading a bit too much lovecraft, eh? :P |
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| 00:56.10 | xerophyte | is there anyway i can tell what kind of memory i am using on the server using ssh shell account i need to know if it ddr or some other kind |
| 00:56.23 | buu | Yeah, I had to kill my ssh connection, groups show up now/ |
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| 00:56.43 | furrywolf | cthulfuego wasn't supposed to be a pun on cthulhu? oh well. |
| 00:56.45 | w00t | you never no who is on ssh |
| 00:57.34 | w00t | i have to go see ya |
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| 00:58.25 | pentium451 | buu: cool |
| 00:58.40 | furrywolf | buu: so logging out and back in fixed it? :) |
| 00:58.53 | buu | furrywolf: indeed. I was just killing a screen window. |
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| 00:59.24 | Solet | hey i'm having issues with the printer setup on sarge... i setup my printer, and i think its working fine (i cant test it cause it wont let me print with out both color and b/w cartriges in and i dont have a color), but when i try to cancel a print job it locks up and i have to force kill it |
| 00:59.29 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: lilo -v was giving me a fatal error. |
| 00:59.38 | pentium451 | buu: did you get the bit about 'sticky groups'? |
| 00:59.42 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I guess I fuckered up my bmp file... |
| 01:00.01 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: for lilo splash right? |
| 01:00.07 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: update this time.. I edited out the #bmp file... gonna reboot now. |
| 01:00.14 | deadcat | k |
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| 01:00.35 | buu | pentium451: Um, I don't see it |
| 01:00.35 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: its adding it |
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| 01:03.46 | w00t | whats up |
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| 01:04.32 | muwu | w00t, check out. woot.com :) |
| 01:04.38 | w00t | hey |
| 01:04.44 | w00t | whats up |
| 01:04.52 | pentium451 | buu: <Delph> and remember you may want to set the sticky flag, so new things get created as that group |
| 01:05.04 | veggieconcarne | hello |
| 01:05.07 | veggieconcarne | i d like to know on how to log into enlightenment ( which file do I have to modify ?) |
| 01:05.07 | w00t | hi |
| 01:05.33 | muwu | I got a compact flash wifi card for like $20... now only if I can find a pocketpc for like $50 (perfect shoutcast client) |
| 01:05.34 | buu | pentium451: ah |
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| 01:05.58 | w00t | trace w00t |
| 01:06.02 | w00t | my bad |
| 01:06.14 | w00t | just testing me |
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| 01:07.02 | wald | hi folk, i have a little question. I have printer connected to one of my usb port (ohci/ehci). But I am not about which port it is connected /dev/usb/lp?. How could I find out (lsusb -v), please? |
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| 01:09.19 | rue_mohr | ok, I give up, Mozilla WILL NOT accept the java plugin |
| 01:10.01 | FieldySnuts | !blame java |
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| 01:10.16 | furrywolf | wald: cups should find the printer by name... at least it does for my printers. |
| 01:10.19 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: change append="splash=silent" to append ="verbose" or just comment it out? |
| 01:10.43 | furrywolf | you don't need to specify the device; since it can find the name, it automagically finds the device, even if where it is on the usb bus changes, etc. |
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| 01:10.53 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: change. |
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| 01:10.56 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: or I mean "splash=verbose" |
| 01:11.01 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk |
| 01:11.01 | deadcat | ya |
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| 01:11.55 | lethias | I have Debian Sarge, How do you edit the monitor scan frequency settings. |
| 01:12.10 | shingouz | !drxx |
| 01:12.10 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 01:12.18 | wald | hi folk, i have a little question. I have printer connected to one of my usb port (ohci/ehci). But I am not about which port it is connected /dev/usb/lp?. How could I find out (lsusb -v), please? |
| 01:12.21 | shingouz | lethias: like that ^^ |
| 01:12.27 | furrywolf | edit your X config? or /msg dpkg drxx. but I just edit it by hand... |
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| 01:13.08 | furrywolf | shingouz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 has about 1/100th the options it needs to actually be useful... |
| 01:13.13 | lethias | Whats the file I edit. |
| 01:13.42 | shingouz | furrywolf: i know, that is why i usually edit the file by hand |
| 01:13.48 | lethias | I just got the actual scan frequencies for my monitor to set it up correctly. |
| 01:14.00 | shingouz | lethias: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 01:14.17 | shingouz | lethias: if you do not know the file you are safer to use the tool for it, man |
| 01:14.36 | furrywolf | shingouz: note I avoided telling him the file name. :) |
| 01:14.37 | lethias | if I use the tool, then how do I learn? |
| 01:14.44 | lethias | To learn is to make mistakes. |
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| 01:15.15 | furrywolf | to learn involves reading the many faqs, manuals, etc, all of which mention the filename... editing the file without having first done that is a sure way to end up with no X. |
| 01:15.52 | lethias | lol true but in the end of all mistakes is the infinte wisdom that is attained that is carried on with one. |
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| 01:16.20 | lethias | and i have absolutely no idea where the heck that came from. |
| 01:16.22 | bucky | lethias, make a backup copy of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and knock yourself out |
| 01:16.22 | lethias | lol |
| 01:16.38 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What do I do? |
| 01:16.47 | shingouz | lethias: there is the point of you having a working system and a big risk that you manage to bork it before you learn to do the basics. seriously though, i use the dpkg-reconfigure thing too when i know i set up the box for someone who is new with linux or when i know i do not need all the options |
| 01:16.50 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: root=/dev/hdd1 |
| 01:16.52 | lethias | ah ha, I thought it was that file. Wasn't for sure. |
| 01:16.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: i added root=/dev/hdd1 |
| 01:17.15 | TwistedEmotions | so just lilo -v and init6? |
| 01:17.18 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: if it doesnt work. fuck it (= |
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| 01:17.43 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk... edit out the lines we added in lilo.conf? |
| 01:17.52 | lethias | shingouz: to be honest, my X window is offset about a 1/2" to the right on my screen. I have my screen centered for the console. |
| 01:17.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. |
| 01:18.16 | furrywolf | lethias: old monitor with analog controls? |
| 01:18.17 | shingouz | lethias: you do not like to point and drool, is that it? ;) |
| 01:18.19 | lethias | I have all the data for my monitor I just need to enter it in. |
| 01:18.35 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: kk.. done. Thanks for trying. |
| 01:18.40 | lethias | I emailed the company to get the specs. |
| 01:18.45 | shingouz | lethias: make a copy of the file and hack it :) |
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| 01:19.02 | lethias | It is an older monitor. |
| 01:19.08 | bucky | lethias, use xvidtune to center your display and make note of the settings and put them in XF86Config-4 |
| 01:19.12 | lethias | Compaq Presario 1525. |
| 01:19.18 | shingouz | lethias: if that is a monitor which is not documented on the web, try to find some place you could post the settings to |
| 01:19.23 | Guerin | !hwinfo |
| 01:19.24 | dpkg | it has been said that hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 01:19.42 | bucky | lethias I have all the data for my monitor I just need to enter it in. |
| 01:19.53 | furrywolf | when !drxx can set up my two video cards, three graphics tablets, dual-head, AND x2x setup to another box (total of three monitors), then I'll like it. :) |
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| 01:20.17 | ethics | bucky: dpkg-reconfigure ??? |
| 01:20.30 | deadcat | Guerin: damn thats a good util (= |
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| 01:20.43 | MrKeuner | what should --append-to-version be if --revision=b1 in make-kpkg? |
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| 01:21.03 | s4r63 | hi all |
| 01:21.04 | bucky | ethics, his display isn't centered on his monitor because his settings are overdriving the monitor |
| 01:21.07 | cafuego | MrKeuner: How about nothing? |
| 01:21.38 | Guerin | deadcat: innit |
| 01:21.54 | ethics | bucky, dpkg-reconfigure will rerun the conf script allowing you to enter in those refresh rates manually etc |
| 01:22.06 | s4r63 | How remove the desktop gnome ? whith apt-get remove ? |
| 01:22.10 | naoliv | Hi. Sorry for my ignorance, but I have a machine with Postfix installed. All user emails used to be stored on /var/mail/user and stat there, even they read the mail. But now, the emails are moved to /home/user/mbox. Why this? Is it some configuration from the email client? |
| 01:22.12 | Guerin | !remove gnome |
| 01:22.12 | dpkg | i guess remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
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| 01:22.16 | magyar | can someone tell me why do i have two mouse input devices in my XF86Config file? |
| 01:22.19 | s4r63 | !remoce gnome |
| 01:22.24 | s4r63 | !remove gnome |
| 01:22.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 01:22.28 | bucky | ethics, he said he wanted to edit the file by hand |
| 01:23.11 | furrywolf | magyar: one is default, one is configured when debian installs X. chances are only one of the two works; X happily ignores the one that doesn't work. |
| 01:23.18 | Guerin | s4r63: thought it might perform different for you? |
| 01:23.38 | magyar | furrywolf: how do i know whichone? |
| 01:23.42 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know what I cant expand the gmplayer screen and get it to look normal? The video size sticks to whatever it was in the first place... only the box size around it changes.. |
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| 01:23.48 | furrywolf | magyar: read the log? |
| 01:24.07 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: edit the config file in .mplayer |
| 01:24.16 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: you were told how to do this yesterday |
| 01:24.23 | deadcat | haha |
| 01:24.41 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: no... you told me a hour ago and all you said was zoom.. |
| 01:24.44 | magyar | furrywolf: when i use the mouse in fb mode in console and try to copy/paste i get giberish on screen |
| 01:24.48 | TwistedEmotions | didnt do anything. |
| 01:24.51 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: an hour ago, I was asleep, you fucking idiot. |
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| 01:25.09 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: zoom=yes in .mplayer/config |
| 01:25.13 | pentium451 | net lag |
| 01:25.16 | deadcat | !fight |
| 01:25.16 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I didnt ask yesterday numb nuts... I dont got the video today. |
| 01:25.18 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: call mplayer with -vo xv, then push 'f' to go fullscreen. easy. |
| 01:25.34 | petemc | -zoom too |
| 01:25.37 | ethics | bucky, oh ok...missed the start of the convo |
| 01:25.37 | s4r63 | !install gnome |
| 01:25.37 | dpkg | install gnome is, like, in woody: apt-get install gnome-session gnome-control-center sawfish-gnome ; In sarge and sid: apt-get install gnome |
| 01:25.38 | deadcat | dumb bot |
| 01:25.41 | furrywolf | and gmplayer sucks. use mplayer. |
| 01:25.42 | plazia | is there a command either as a switch of dpkg or apt that will show you the packages that are consuming the most diskspace and list them in descending or ascending order? |
| 01:25.42 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I use gmplayer... are they the same? |
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| 01:25.54 | kundalini | TwistedEmotions but all the options with man mplayer |
| 01:26.01 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: they use the same config file; not sure about the same command line switches. |
| 01:26.04 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
| 01:26.18 | s4r63 | !gnome |
| 01:26.18 | dpkg | somebody said gnome was a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager, or a barely-usable pile of crap |
| 01:26.19 | Guerin | s4r63: don't /msg me, please. |
| 01:26.26 | s4r63 | Guerin, sory |
| 01:26.51 | Guerin | s4r63: gnome 2.10 is not in debian sarge. You'll have to wait until after sarge releases (a few weeks) and then use etch, which will have it. |
| 01:26.52 | furrywolf | s4r63: /msg dpkg <whatever> instead of using !<whatever> |
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| 01:27.32 | s4r63 | humm ok |
| 01:27.42 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: man mplayer and look for -vo there. i guess -vo xv would do the trick |
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| 01:28.04 | deadcat | Guerin: hwinfo is too smart (= |
| 01:28.09 | Scrape | I have X11Forwarding set to yes on my server, and I'm using ssh w -X option, but I can't run X applications from my server... any thoughts? I always get an error about $DISPLAY not being set (which it's not, but I can't figure out why) |
| 01:28.25 | ralfWORK | hey it's ok |
| 01:28.26 | deadcat | Scrape: export it |
| 01:28.36 | ralfWORK | I can't get fucking ssh-krb5 to work |
| 01:28.37 | TwistedEmotions | vo=x11, in the config file... already turned on zoom... should I chage that to xv as well? |
| 01:28.39 | s4r63 | Guerin, and ther gnome version 2.8 ? |
| 01:28.46 | Guerin | !tell busybox about away |
| 01:28.50 | Guerin | s4r63: yeah. |
| 01:28.50 | magyar | i have both "/dev/input/mice" and "/dev/psaux" which one is which? |
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| 01:29.00 | Solet | how much ram is suggested for running gnome on sarge? |
| 01:29.07 | Guerin | s4r63: as much as possible |
| 01:29.11 | plazia | hehe |
| 01:29.14 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: in a terminal while in X, try xvinfo and see what you get |
| 01:29.14 | deadcat | magyar: check logfile |
| 01:29.33 | ethics | magyar, prolly input/mice |
| 01:29.36 | s4r63 | hum |
| 01:29.46 | Scrape | Ah wait... server doesn't have xbase-clients installed... maybe the solution? |
| 01:29.53 | s4r63 | Guerin, tk's |
| 01:29.57 | plazia | magyar: if you are using usb mouse it might be /dev/input/mice |
| 01:29.58 | Scrape | Solet: I -seem- to be doing okay w/ 256MB. |
| 01:30.01 | plazia | if ps/2 then the other |
| 01:30.04 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: A shitload of into.. |
| 01:30.12 | Scrape | Solet: XFCE does pretty well too. |
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| 01:30.18 | furrywolf | plazia: ps/2 mice on 2.6 kernels are /dev/input/mice too... |
| 01:30.26 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: do you have an xv capable device there in the first place |
| 01:30.31 | plazia | furrywolf: kewl. I almost forgot. I use 2.6.x too |
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| 01:30.58 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: Adaptor #0: "ATI Radeon Video Overlay" |
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| 01:31.14 | TwistedEmotions | It has a bunch of XV_ attributed in there.. |
| 01:31.26 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: mplayer -vo xv filename should taker care of it |
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| 01:31.27 | furrywolf | plazia: /dev/psaux on 2.6 is, depending on a config option, either non-existant or a clone of /dev/input/mice. :) |
| 01:31.29 | TwistedEmotions | so I am guessing XV works fibe. |
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| 01:31.55 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: deadcat: shingouz: kk. Thanks. |
| 01:31.59 | m4lu7 | Situation: I have a laptop that gets to go back to IBM tomorrow, along with my badge, my corporate credit card, and a few other trinkets. I want the whole filesystem, which isn't all that big, about 15 gigs or so, and put on this shiny new laptop. I want to do this over the network. Recommendations? |
| 01:32.03 | plazia | furrywolf: this is why I hang out on IRC. Learn something new every picosecond :) |
| 01:32.07 | Scrape | deadcat: It was xbase-clients... I needed to install it! |
| 01:32.20 | Solet | how much ram is suggested for running gnome on sarge? |
| 01:32.21 | deadcat | Scrape: ah. |
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| 01:32.28 | deadcat | Solet: loads |
| 01:32.38 | mne | hi there ;) How can I keep apache2 mod_userdir out of my virtual hosts ß I just want something like home.here.com with userdirs, but all other virtual hosts should have no mod_userdir |
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| 01:32.41 | Solet | deadcat: numbers are sexy |
| 01:32.44 | Scrape | Solet: Like I said, you'll probably be okay w/ 256MB, although XFCE will probably be a bit better. |
| 01:32.44 | plazia | Solet: I would suggest at least 32 MiB as a minimum |
| 01:32.48 | deadcat | 512+ |
| 01:32.53 | resiak | Solet: <--------------- This much ----------> (not to scale) |
| 01:33.06 | Solet | resiak: rofl |
| 01:33.08 | deadcat | hahaha.. |
| 01:33.09 | shingouz | m4lu7: /msg dpkg cp hd to hd |
| 01:33.12 | Solet | @lart resiak |
| 01:33.17 | furrywolf | m4lu7: you could make a 15gb tarball... I've done that to back up drives. :) |
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| 01:33.29 | m4lu7 | shingouz, thank you, sah. |
| 01:33.31 | deadcat | resiak is the comedian for #debian |
| 01:33.32 | Solet | deadcat: i got 256 in it and its runnin all right but its using almost all of it... |
| 01:33.36 | resiak | !resiak |
| 01:33.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, resiak is the Lord of the #debian Dance |
| 01:33.50 | deadcat | Solet: 256 is definately too little. |
| 01:34.00 | shingouz | m4lu7: np. those commands work real well too, i usually do it the rsync -e ssh way |
| 01:34.09 | plazia | Solet: how do you mean GNOME is using all your RAM? |
| 01:34.09 | furrywolf | I have 2 gigs of ram. probably still not enough for gnome. :P |
| 01:34.24 | plazia | are you doing a ps aux ? and seeing that GNOME Is using all the RAM? |
| 01:34.42 | Scrape | Here's a question... anyone use libpam-tmpdir as well as GDM? Whenever I try to do this, my GDM logins all freeze. |
| 01:34.51 | TwistedEmotions | Heh... Works not but with or without xv CPU Usage goes up to 100% and crashes when I make it bigger... I dont think my video card is handling the load as it should be... any ideas? |
| 01:34.55 | m4lu7 | shingouz, i suspected ssh/rsync may have come in handy. just wasn't sure if there was a "faster cheaper better" way. apparently not :) |
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| 01:35.03 | Scrape | a |
| 01:35.06 | Scrape | oops |
| 01:35.07 | jetdotnet | why do you think gnome uses all the ram |
| 01:35.14 | Solet | plazia: i have 256 and its using about 215 |
| 01:35.24 | plazia | how are you able to make this determination? |
| 01:35.32 | Guerin | how do you feel about gnome using all your ram? |
| 01:35.32 | furrywolf | I've been known to use tar and netcat to back up drives using only a rescue floppy. :) |
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| 01:35.38 | Solet | system monitor you fuck... its not that hard.. |
| 01:35.43 | plazia | interesting. |
| 01:35.47 | shingouz | m4lu7: tar, cp.. there are a lot of ways to do that but i just happen to like the rsync way best. tar has worked nice too a couple of times |
| 01:36.03 | plazia | and it is saying gnome is using all the ram? or that the total ram load is 215? |
| 01:36.07 | plazia | and I am not a fuck |
| 01:36.10 | Scrape | Oh boy... I can tell firefox from my server via an ssh X11 forward is not going to be the best way to go. |
| 01:36.11 | Guerin | Solet: give the output of the +/- buffers line of free |
| 01:36.16 | furrywolf | guerin: spent a little too much time with eliza, eh? |
| 01:36.22 | deadcat | what ever happened to Justin_ ? (= |
| 01:36.29 | Guerin | furrywolf: heh |
| 01:36.31 | dondelelcaro | !seen justin_ |
| 01:36.32 | dpkg | justin_ <~justin@169.226.52.26> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 196d 7h 3s ago, saying: 'kingsley: mv file.scr file.jpg ?'. |
| 01:36.32 | Scrape | Alright... anyone know of a good TUI web browser with javascript support? |
| 01:36.43 | plazia | links-graphic. |
| 01:36.44 | dondelelcaro | Scrape: firefox, etc. |
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| 01:36.53 | Solet | guerin: wtf? |
| 01:36.53 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: must have a schedule changed or something hahahh. |
| 01:36.55 | TwistedEmotions | my CPU usage is at 60% in a medium size window and it chashes at full screen... do I need to reconfigure X to use my video card more? |
| 01:37.01 | Scrape | dondelelcaro: whoa, there's a TUI version of firefox now? ;-) |
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| 01:37.09 | Guerin | Solet: nike |
| 01:37.13 | dondelelcaro | Scrape: oh, you mean console based. |
| 01:37.15 | pentium451 | Scrape: check out vnc |
| 01:37.24 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: depends on what you are trying to play. divx or dvd? how big cpu do you have? |
| 01:37.25 | furrywolf | twisted: are you still using -vo x11? |
| 01:37.35 | Scrape | pentium451: Why would that be faster than ssh, given the same intervening connection? |
| 01:37.40 | furrywolf | my dual p3-866 can't play minidv without frameskip... |
| 01:37.42 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: DVD 3.0 Gighrtz... |
| 01:37.51 | dondelelcaro | Scrape: there's not really any with decent javascript support... although, elinks is probably as close as you can get |
| 01:37.51 | Solet | guerin: wtf? one word tells me nothing why the hell is everyone going berzerk about the fact that gnome is eating ram... |
| 01:37.55 | pentium451 | Scrape: don't know why, but it is! |
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| 01:38.03 | ralfWORK | ok I have a crazy question |
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| 01:38.11 | ralfWORK | are SSH config options case sensitive? |
| 01:38.15 | plazia | Solet: perhaps because they aren't certain you aren't misinterpreting your RAM stats? |
| 01:38.17 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: shoudl work in that case. mplayer -vo xv filename |
| 01:38.23 | Scrape | pentium451: I might have to try it... I'm sitting on here at about 3 minutes waiting for firefox to load via SSH |
| 01:38.23 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: I tried with/without -vo xv and still crashes at fullscreen. |
| 01:38.26 | Guerin | Solet: nike = just do it. run 'free'. paste the +/- buffers/cache line for me. Just as an exercise |
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| 01:38.33 | plazia | sometimes linux kernel will use huge buffers for disk cache and shit |
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| 01:38.44 | dondelelcaro | Scrape: supposedly links2 supports javascript |
| 01:38.46 | Solet | ok |
| 01:38.48 | Guerin | my p3-733 plays fullscreen video just dandy |
| 01:38.52 | mousex | hidi |
| 01:38.53 | plazia | so it maximises efficiency ...since unused ram is almost essentially wasted ram |
| 01:39.05 | Scrape | dondelelcaro: cool, I'm about to give it a shot |
| 01:39.15 | Guerin | you DO have to tune the resolution, though, to make sure that the software scaler isn't working too hard. |
| 01:39.19 | furrywolf | I have 0 bytes swap users. :) |
| 01:39.23 | furrywolf | used |
| 01:39.23 | Aradorn | anyone know if you can add a sleep timer to the inirtd file after loading the modules by using the mkinirtd? |
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| 01:39.38 | Guerin | no use playing 512x384 video on a 1600x1200 screen |
| 01:39.47 | furrywolf | and 50mb of ram free... |
| 01:40.00 | Scrape | dondelelcaro: Hallelujah! Links2 does it! |
| 01:40.08 | mousex | I have a weird probelm with KDE: it freezes at login if I'm connected to the network; the sessions start just fine if I wait to connect until after I login |
| 01:40.09 | pentium451 | Scrape: cool |
| 01:40.16 | deadcat | Guerin: how do i tune it not to use software too hard? mplayer is 100% for me as well. |
| 01:40.22 | TwistedEmotions | Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device. |
| 01:40.31 | Scrape | dondelelcaro: Annoying that I've already gone and cluttered up my non-GUI server w/ all the supporting libs for firefox... grrr. |
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| 01:40.37 | TwistedEmotions | when I run in command prompt.. |
| 01:40.46 | Solet-deb | guerin do you want me to paste all of it or just the ram line? |
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| 01:40.54 | magyar | plazia: di i want to "emulate 3buttons"? |
| 01:40.55 | resiak | !tell Scrape -about deborphan |
| 01:41.02 | mousex | what's so good about mplayer? why doesn't people use xine or vlc? |
| 01:41.06 | Scrape | pentium451: Thanks for the VNC suggestion, but it looks like I've found my solution :-) |
| 01:41.06 | deadcat | magyar: hell ya. |
| 01:41.10 | plazia | magyar: I don't know. do you? |
| 01:41.15 | mousex | magyar: if your mouse doesn't have three buttons, then yea |
| 01:41.16 | deadcat | mousex: i like xine better |
| 01:41.19 | plazia | It let's you click both buttons to emulate the third |
| 01:41.30 | mousex | deadcat: so do I |
| 01:41.49 | magyar | mousex: i have a 6 button logitech... |
| 01:41.49 | furrywolf | mousex: mplayer WORKS? plays more than 1/10th of files? doesn't need 100% cpu to do simple things? saves streams?... |
| 01:41.49 | mousex | deadcat: does it lack some stuff or codecs that only mplayer has, though? |
| 01:41.52 | dondelelcaro | Scrape: this is why you use aptitude... you just remove firefox, and blamo, all the libs that you didn't specifically say to be installed go away. |
| 01:41.59 | Scrape | resiak: I use deborphan actually... is there a way to make it ignore certain libs? (libpam-cracklib being the one I most frequently delete by accident via deborphan | xargs dpkg --purge) |
| 01:42.02 | deadcat | mousex: just sometimes mplayer plays more format, and xine hangs my X using nvidia. NV works fine |
| 01:42.04 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: your system is not set up as it should in that case. check xvinfo once more and look for clues, you may have to reconfigure your xserver for it to work |
| 01:42.14 | Solet-deb | hrm... where did Guerin go? |
| 01:42.20 | resiak | Scrape: | grep -v ? ;-) |
| 01:42.25 | plazia | you can copy the win32 codecs to xine as well though can't you? |
| 01:42.31 | resiak | He's still there. |
| 01:42.35 | Scrape | dondelelcaro: Sigh... I do need to figure out aptitude... I've used Debian long enough that I'm... shock horrors... very entrenched in my use of dselect. |
| 01:42.37 | Scrape | resiak: ah-ha |
| 01:42.38 | mousex | furrywolf: is xine a big resource eather? |
| 01:42.44 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: also you'd better man mplayer too, take a real close look on the video output drivers there |
| 01:42.52 | mousex | deadcat: what about vlc? have you tried it? |
| 01:42.53 | sparr__ | dondelelcaro: got a nice simple tutorial on aptitude? every time i try to use it i get it horribly out of sync with the actual packages on my system and eventually have to just abandon it because i dont want it to do the 2000 things it has queued up to do |
| 01:42.53 | dondelelcaro | Scrape: deselect can do it too... |
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| 01:42.58 | plazia | Scrape: aptitude is wonderful |
| 01:43.03 | Solet-deb | guerin do you want me to paste all of it or just the ram line? |
| 01:43.04 | plazia | well imo anyhow. |
| 01:43.12 | Guerin | Solet-deb: just the middle line |
| 01:43.16 | deadcat | mousex: dont use vlc. it hangs as well. but xine uses less cpu on my machine. |
| 01:43.28 | dondelelcaro | sparr__: not really... it's pretty straight forward for the most part. |
| 01:43.36 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: What is command for reconfiguring xserver? |
| 01:43.41 | shingouz | !drxx |
| 01:43.41 | dpkg | methinks drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 01:43.42 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: my bad... it was your stupid twin starscalling who asked that identical question about mplayer yesterday. |
| 01:43.44 | Solet-deb | -/+ buffers/cache: 177212 79536 |
| 01:43.46 | mousex | deadcat: I've never used vlc in Debian, only with KCeasy (a file sharing app for Win) |
| 01:44.02 | jetdotnet | lies |
| 01:44.05 | Guerin | Solet-deb: that second number is how many k you actually have of free ram available to applications. |
| 01:44.08 | JOELDT | I COUT AND MY HUMBRELLA PLEASE |
| 01:44.10 | sparr__ | dondelelcaro: so, if i tell it i want to install 10 things, and uninstall 10 things, so it queues up all the dependent stuff... i get this nice list of 200 things it wants to install/upgrade/remove. then i change my mind. what can i do other than abandoning it? |
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| 01:44.28 | Guerin | !tell Solet-deb about free ram |
| 01:44.37 | furrywolf | Mem: 2076504 2026052 50452 0 16848 1524236 |
| 01:44.38 | mousex | sparr__: just use apt-get install |
| 01:44.44 | sparr__ | mousex: yeah, i do |
| 01:44.47 | resiak | sparr__: You tell it to install the stuff that it wants to remove that you want to keep. You only need do that once. |
| 01:44.50 | Tecky | is there anything like qms-analog for postfix (a daily e-mail of the past 24hr; week; year statistics) ? |
| 01:44.51 | sparr__ | mousex: but i keep hearing people praise aptitude |
| 01:44.51 | mousex | sparr__: uh, nevermind |
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| 01:45.19 | sparr__ | resiak: then it adds all sorts of other stuff to the list, and complains about broken dependencies |
| 01:45.19 | deadcat | i read somewhere back in the modem days. you can make some modem dial 911. anyone know how? just wondering. |
| 01:45.22 | mousex | sparr__: I hate aptitude; it's not very easy to use for me. If I went with a guy, I'll take chances with gnome-apt |
| 01:45.28 | starscalling | um |
| 01:45.30 | Delph | deadcat: my s.o had that happen to him |
| 01:45.35 | jetdotnet | you can make a modem dial anything |
| 01:45.39 | sparr__ | deadcat: VERY few modems were vulnerable to that. like one in a million. |
| 01:45.40 | Delph | had the police knocking the door down at 3.30 am |
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| 01:45.40 | furrywolf | dselect rules |
| 01:45.42 | deadcat | Delph: how? |
| 01:45.42 | starscalling | Guerin, i dont think that xwhatever has much to do with mplayer you know |
| 01:45.44 | mousex | deadcat: atdt 911 |
| 01:45.46 | Delph | no idea |
| 01:45.47 | starscalling | but hey |
| 01:45.48 | Scrape | Could someone point me toward a good Debian-specific howto for using racoon to setup a "road warrior" solution? |
| 01:45.48 | jetdotnet | dselect is your god |
| 01:45.49 | Delph | it just decided to dial it |
| 01:45.51 | starscalling | who am i really |
| 01:45.52 | Guerin | starscalling: it does, trust me. |
| 01:45.53 | resiak | sparr__: It takes a few minutes to get it all set up, then it all works. |
| 01:45.56 | pentium451 | deadcat: ping +++atdt911 |
| 01:45.59 | starscalling | ok? |
| 01:46.00 | starscalling | lol |
| 01:46.04 | deadcat | sparr__: ya. i have one. (= |
| 01:46.07 | mousex | !racoon |
| 01:46.10 | dondelelcaro | sparr__: you just specify whatever it is that you actually want installed... |
| 01:46.16 | jetdotnet | !mousex |
| 01:46.16 | JOELDT | O,BUTTERFLY, WONDERFULL BUTTERFLY |
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| 01:46.28 | ralfWORK | yea wtf |
| 01:46.28 | dondelelcaro | right... shouldn't have even bothered |
| 01:46.30 | sparr__ | dondelelcaro: yeah, then how do i change my mind? |
| 01:46.42 | jetdotnet | dammit dondelelcaro how can i !lart him if you're so quick dammit!!! |
| 01:46.45 | dondelelcaro | sparr__: then you - whatever it is |
| 01:46.53 | deadcat | pentium451: pentium451 ah. i hae the string to d/c whihch works. |
| 01:47.17 | mousex | what's an "inter-process communication" (in KDE talk)??? |
| 01:47.27 | jetdotnet | program talking to another |
| 01:47.28 | dondelelcaro | sparr__: since it gives you a list of things that it's going to do, you can either 1) tell it to not do whatever it is that it wants to do 2) tell it to wait |
| 01:47.31 | jetdotnet | just like the matrix |
| 01:47.41 | deadcat | pentium451: should i use od to convert that patter? |
| 01:47.41 | jetdotnet | or one part to another |
| 01:47.42 | kenboo | what process do i need to restart after updating nsswitch.conf ? i changed for passwd, group |
| 01:47.55 | pentium451 | heh, try it |
| 01:47.57 | deadcat | jetdotnet: i guess he dodged a bullet? |
| 01:48.24 | jetdotnet | quite a few, maybe |
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| 01:50.15 | mousex | OK, here's a good question: how do I configure alsa so it will load at boot time, instead of having to run alsaconf as root to configure my sound card manually?? |
| 01:50.35 | davisfactor | does anyone here have an ATI video card? I can't get mine working for anything! |
| 01:50.51 | mousex | davisfactor: did your try the VESA drivers to see if they work? |
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| 01:51.08 | davisfactor | mousex: not yet, how would I go about doing that? |
| 01:51.09 | Cyanophytes | when using kppd I get "May 19 21:45:17 ROBERT pppd[4431]: defaultroute option is disabled" Is there a way to get past this? |
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| 01:51.13 | Guerin | mousex: echo youralsamodule >> /etc/modules |
| 01:51.15 | jbm | devisfactor i have my ATI running their drivers dual monitor |
| 01:51.20 | Guerin | mousex: but alsaconf should do this |
| 01:51.21 | furrywolf | davisfactor: my all-in-wonder works fine for output, but I get hard lockups about 50% of the time attempting to capture. |
| 01:51.33 | mousex | davisfactor: wait, are you running X? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:51.49 | mousex | Guerin: it's in /etc/modules already . . . that's the weird part |
| 01:52.01 | deadcat | pentium451: does it matter upper/lower case for atdt? |
| 01:52.02 | Guerin | mousex: do any other modules load instead? |
| 01:52.07 | davisfactor | mousex: I've got a pretty custom x config file, i'll try replacing the driver with just plain vesa |
| 01:52.17 | mousex | Guerin: let me check |
| 01:52.22 | davisfactor | jbm: do you still have the howto that you used to get yours working? |
| 01:52.28 | Guerin | mousex: there's clearly another module which isn't being loaaded, or another one which is but oughtn't be |
| 01:52.29 | jbm | yup 1 sec |
| 01:52.30 | davisfactor | jbm: I'll need dual monitor support also |
| 01:52.37 | shingouz | mousex: the module may need some additional parameters too, irq, i/o. depends on the module |
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| 01:52.38 | davisfactor | jbm: thanks |
| 01:53.02 | jetdotnet | deadcat: afaicr no it doesn't |
| 01:53.07 | jetdotnet | but that was in win |
| 01:53.14 | mousex | Guerin: lsmod shows via82cxxx, but I need snd-via82xx. Are they the same thing? |
| 01:53.19 | jbm | davisfactor: this is howto, it may look scary but just follow all the steps and it works great! http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 01:53.25 | deadcat | jetdotnet: cool didily |
| 01:53.27 | Guerin | mousex: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 01:53.27 | jetdotnet | mousex: snd- is alsa |
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| 01:53.44 | davisfactor | jbm: that's the one I've been following :) |
| 01:54.00 | davisfactor | jbm: I'm getting DRI and GLX errors |
| 01:54.13 | furrywolf | I gave up on dri and glx. |
| 01:54.16 | jbm | davisfactor: hehe oh did the module compile ok? |
| 01:54.19 | mousex | Guerin: I don't want to black list it yet; I don't even know which module I need for sure! |
| 01:54.49 | Guerin | you want to blacklist any sound module which doesn't start with snd- |
| 01:54.50 | davisfactor | jbm: yeah, everything went smooth |
| 01:55.13 | jbm | davisfactor: what is your output of "glxinfo | grep direct" |
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| 01:55.19 | davisfactor | jbm: I even upgraded to the new 2.6.11.10 kernel and went through his instructions again |
| 01:55.26 | sparr__ | is there any way i can submit data to the debian popularity contest without having a "real" domain name? |
| 01:55.30 | davisfactor | jbm: x wont' start, can't do glxinfo |
| 01:55.34 | mousex | my sound card: VIA VT82C586A/B VT823x. So, guerin, I change that module for snd-via82xx, right? |
| 01:55.52 | furrywolf | glxinfo segfaults. :P |
| 01:56.06 | bob2_ | sparr__: sure, fix your mail system so it rewrites it |
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| 01:56.18 | Guerin | mousex: 1 |
| 01:56.22 | jbm | davisfactor: ok so can you recover X by changing your config file back to ATI instead of fglrx? |
| 01:56.42 | bob2_ | you're fit, but my god don't you know it! |
| 01:56.43 | Guerin | sparr__: exit /etc/email-addresses |
| 01:56.48 | Guerin | s/exit/edit/ |
| 01:56.59 | davisfactor | jbm: you mean use ATI as the driver name? |
| 01:57.02 | ralfWORK | NO EXIT! |
| 01:57.03 | sparr__ | bob2_: so i just put in google.com or something? |
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| 01:57.12 | davisfactor | jbm: I'm coming from an nvidia card, where everything worked great :) |
| 01:57.16 | bob2_ | sparr__: eh? if you're using exim, do what Guerin said. |
| 01:57.19 | jbm | davisfactor: yup, that should get your X back |
| 01:57.25 | davisfactor | jbm: lemme try |
| 01:57.29 | TwistedEmotions | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R300 ND [Radeon 9700 Pro] <<-- Anyone know how to get bus location from that? |
| 01:57.31 | jbm | davisfactor: ya nvidia is nice, my other box is nvidia |
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| 01:58.05 | furrywolf | I have dual-head with one nvidia and one ati card... can't get ANYTHING other than plain X to work on the ati card. hell, even xcreensaver's won't run... |
| 01:58.05 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: busid? are you doing dual-head or somesuch? |
| 01:58.12 | furrywolf | twisted: lspci -X |
| 01:58.15 | sparr__ | bob2_: so i can just put in whatever address i want? |
| 01:58.17 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: reconfiguring the xserver? you do not need to specify the bus |
| 01:58.20 | knightsilver | i 'm trying to use the livecd business card iso image to install on a ppc.. but i'm not able to use the installer to connect via http to ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:58.24 | Guerin | !tell furrywolf about nicktab |
| 01:58.25 | bob2_ | sparr__: assuming it's yours, yes |
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| 01:58.30 | knightsilver | i connect to my router fine.. |
| 01:58.33 | Guerin | knightsilver: why not? |
| 01:58.39 | sparr__ | bob2_: how will popcon know if its mine? |
| 01:58.47 | jbm | TwistedEmotions: "PCI:1:0:0" |
| 01:58.48 | bob2_ | sparr__: lord |
| 01:58.55 | furrywolf | guerin: I get the feeling I'm repeating myself. haven't I already mentioned I can't get nick completition to work on this 5-year-ish old version of ircii? :P |
| 01:59.00 | Guerin | knightsilver: configure your router to allow in and out from your ip address |
| 01:59.03 | sparr__ | bob2_: care to elaborate on that? |
| 01:59.07 | bob2_ | sparr__: obviously you can put anything you want, but please don't be a cock about it |
| 01:59.10 | TwistedEmotions | no.. trying to reconfigure xserver... because XServer must be detecting wrong settings... no way should CPU usage be at 100% |
| 01:59.13 | Guerin | !tell furrywolf about get a real fucking irc client |
| 01:59.38 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: you don't need to specify busid on a single video adaptor on x86 |
| 01:59.41 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: no need to tell about the pci bus location |
| 01:59.44 | sparr__ | bob2_: why even have that requirement at all? i can submit bug reports without a real domain, but not popcon? |
| 01:59.45 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
| 01:59.55 | furrywolf | !tell guerin about IRCing from an old box because .12-rc* kernels are fucking unstable and it's a pain to start your irc client over 10 times a day. |
| 01:59.56 | furrywolf | :P |
| 01:59.59 | mousex | Guerin: I found my error: snd-82xx instead of snd-via82xx in /etc/modules |
| 02:00.02 | mousex | :) |
| 02:00.13 | Guerin | furrywolf: hahah |
| 02:00.18 | nunez | how do I use mplayer to play a dvd from the dvd player? |
| 02:00.18 | TwistedEmotions | What about video ram size? It's a 128mb card... should I put in 128,000,000? |
| 02:00.25 | bob2_ | TwistedEmotions: leave it blank |
| 02:00.31 | bob2_ | nunez: mplayer dvd:// |
| 02:00.32 | TwistedEmotions | k |
| 02:00.34 | shingouz | !tell furrywolf about how easy it is to install a bit newer version of ircii on debian ;) |
| 02:00.37 | jbm | TwistedEmotions: 131072 |
| 02:00.51 | jbm | TwistedEmotions: 128MB x 1024KB/MB ;) |
| 02:00.52 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: Read the goddamn instructions drxx gives you. You haven't asked aanything which isn't answered therein. |
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| 02:01.01 | furrywolf | !tell shingouz that dpkg is seriously broken on this box, and any installs would have to be from tarballs |
| 02:01.16 | bob2_ | !ping |
| 02:01.16 | dpkg | pong |
| 02:01.17 | Guerin | furrywolf: you suck, dude. All your boxen are busted. |
| 02:01.21 | shingouz | eugh |
| 02:01.26 | Guerin | and you're wating time on irc instead of fixing them |
| 02:01.31 | furrywolf | guerin: I've noticed this. maybe it's debian's fault? :P |
| 02:01.34 | bob2_ | themolester: please fix your irc client |
| 02:01.49 | hdkiller | !bless hdkiller |
| 02:01.49 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child hdkiller, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 02:01.50 | davisfactor | jbm: I'm getting a log of libdri.a and libglcore.a errors, it's not letting X start |
| 02:01.51 | Guerin | yeah, it's debian's fault that the .12 linux kernels which aren't even in debian are shit |
| 02:02.05 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 02:02.30 | davisfactor | $DEITY .. that's good ! :) |
| 02:02.34 | hdkiller | i love you dpkg! |
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| 02:02.54 | jbm | davisfactor even after you changed back eh? do you still have Load "dri" and Load "glx" in your config file at the top? |
| 02:03.03 | davisfactor | jbm: yeah |
| 02:03.11 | mousex | how do I prevent DHCP from running at boot time? I tried commenting out "#auto lo eth0" but that didn't work |
| 02:03.28 | davisfactor | jbm: i get the same errors with any video driver I use, ati, radeon, fglrx |
| 02:03.40 | fatalblu | sacrifice your ssh keys to the linux gods |
| 02:03.42 | mousex | could it be 'cause I also have "allow-hotplug eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 02:03.45 | davisfactor | jbm: is there a way to reinstall those libdri.a and libglcore.a files? |
| 02:03.50 | furrywolf | jbm: I can't load dri. :( |
| 02:04.11 | jbm | 1 sec |
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| 02:05.13 | furrywolf | my ATI card needs dri, but my nvidia card doesn't like dri. sometimes I think these companies do it in purpose to try to force you not to mix brands... |
| 02:05.23 | bob2_ | nvidia doesn't do dri |
| 02:05.27 | bob2_ | because they're cocks |
| 02:05.36 | bob2_ | the dri license was allegedly changed so they could use it |
| 02:05.38 | bob2_ | and they still didn't |
| 02:05.59 | furrywolf | bob2: but do they have to make their driver barf with it loaded, keeping me from using it on my other video card? |
| 02:05.59 | Guerin | at least they release functional linux drivers |
| 02:06.08 | bob2_ | no idea |
| 02:06.18 | bob2_ | I've had excellent luck with ati and intel video drivers |
| 02:06.19 | davisfactor | ATI needs to hire some NVIDIA developers to get their driver installs in order |
| 02:06.31 | bob2_ | no non-free crap, and I got 3d acceleration |
| 02:06.42 | bob2_ | davisfactor: no, they need to free the driver so that distros can just include it |
| 02:06.51 | davisfactor | yeah, that too! |
| 02:06.53 | furrywolf | davis: or, rather, both ATI and NVIDIA need to release the source to their drivers and give developers the documentation they ask for? |
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| 02:07.06 | bob2_ | older ATI cards and intel ones work fine with free stuff |
| 02:07.24 | Guerin | furrywolf: can't happen due to licensing issues with, forex, sgi. From nvidia's side, anyway. |
| 02:07.26 | bob2_ | <trollstreuner> on ubuntu, acceleration is enabled automatically </trollstreuner> |
| 02:07.28 | davisfactor | i can't get older ATI cards to work .. I tried to get a 7000 installed one time and gave up |
| 02:07.29 | furrywolf | bob2: my all-in-wonder hard locks when I try capture. I question that working fine. :) |
| 02:07.35 | davisfactor | instead I used an even older matrox card |
| 02:07.43 | bob2_ | furrywolf: did you report it to the gatos people? |
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| 02:08.07 | furrywolf | bob2: yep. I'm on the gatos-devel mailing list. they seem relatively clueless and/or uninterested. |
| 02:08.11 | jbm | davisfactor: do you have the file libdri.a in X11r6/lib/modules/extensions/ |
| 02:08.16 | doub | furrywolf: maybe you're just too pessimistic. it works in a funny kind of way, that's all |
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| 02:08.33 | davisfactor | jbm: yes |
| 02:08.34 | Guerin | it makes your video experience exciting |
| 02:08.54 | davisfactor | jbm: that's the file that's giving me a lot of errors in my XFree86.log file |
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| 02:09.04 | davisfactor | jbm: that and libglxcore.a |
| 02:09.15 | davisfactor | jbm: libglcore.a that is |
| 02:09.25 | furrywolf | the released version of the driver was using the wrong IRQ; it didn't lock up, but resulted in half my IRQs being disabled. the CVS version uses the right irq, which instantly locks the box up hard. |
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| 02:09.53 | davisfactor | jbm: however, my libdri.a file is dated february ... is there a newer one? |
| 02:10.05 | mousex | how can I make sure that dhclient won't run at boot time? |
| 02:10.18 | doub | mousex: man interfaces |
| 02:10.22 | jbm | davisfactor: sorry man im not sure what to do to fix that... you might try reinstalling XFree? mine if february aswell |
| 02:10.26 | bob2_ | mousex: don't bring that interface up on boot |
| 02:10.33 | davisfactor | mousex: remove the dhclient stuff from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:10.48 | mousex | doub: I changed /etc/network/interfaces and commented "auto lo eth0" |
| 02:10.53 | mousex | but that didn't work |
| 02:11.02 | Guerin | mousex: man interfaces |
| 02:11.05 | davisfactor | jbm: hmm ... maybe I will ... what's the force reinstall command for apt-get ? |
| 02:11.07 | bob2_ | mousex: er, don't do that |
| 02:11.13 | bob2_ | mousex: you *need* lo up on boot |
| 02:11.19 | bob2_ | mousex: if you had that hotplug line, get rid of that too |
| 02:11.20 | Guerin | mousex: you commended loopback? |
| 02:11.31 | mousex | bob2_: but it's eth0... not loopback |
| 02:11.34 | itp560 | How can I allow users to use floppy and audio devices who are logging into the system with gdm or xdm ? |
| 02:11.36 | BlackJudas | Hrrm... question... |
| 02:11.38 | davisfactor | mousex: lo is loopback |
| 02:11.42 | bob2_ | mousex: read what you said above |
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| 02:11.43 | mousex | uh, I have hotplug |
| 02:11.49 | justin | dondelelcaro: hi |
| 02:11.55 | bob2_ | itp560: add them to the audio group |
| 02:12.06 | BlackJudas | If you place a sound card into a motherboard... would you expect the audio dvice to be disabled by default? |
| 02:12.10 | BlackJudas | i can't even list it in lspci |
| 02:12.10 | mousex | bob2_: I have two lines: "auto lo" and "auto lo eth0" |
| 02:12.19 | bob2_ | BlackJudas: often they are isa devices |
| 02:12.19 | Guerin | itp560: adduser username floppy audio |
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| 02:12.32 | bob2_ | mousex: comment out anything refering to hotplug in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:12.35 | furrywolf | blackjudas: or you could have onboard sound it conflicts with |
| 02:12.43 | justin | ooh |
| 02:12.46 | itp560 | I have 1000 users .. |
| 02:12.48 | jbm | davisfactor: try apt-get install --reinstall x-window-system |
| 02:12.54 | BlackJudas | bob2_, sometimes yeah but it's a via ac97.. usually listed by lspci |
| 02:12.59 | Guerin | auto lo eth0 is just b0rk3n |
| 02:13.00 | davisfactor | jbm: I'll give that a try |
| 02:13.06 | BlackJudas | furrywolf, yeah? Hmmm... so there's no work-around for that? |
| 02:13.06 | mousex | bob2_: but if I do that, will I still get dhclient to run when I plug in a cat5 cable? |
| 02:13.09 | itp560 | anyone knows about PAM solution for that .. |
| 02:13.28 | bob2_ | mousex: that's not what hotplug does |
| 02:13.32 | bob2_ | ifplugd does that |
| 02:13.38 | davisfactor | mousex: you can always ifup the interface when you plug a network cable in |
| 02:13.48 | Guerin | BlackJudas: you can disable most onboard audio in bios, and it's usually wise to do so. |
| 02:13.57 | doub | itp560: just loop over the "adduser" stuff for your users then |
| 02:13.59 | BlackJudas | Guerin, I'd like to use both... |
| 02:14.02 | furrywolf | guerin: hey, I like my on-board sound. :P |
| 02:14.08 | BlackJudas | Or is that insane of me? |
| 02:14.10 | Guerin | BlackJudas: ok. Good luck with that :) |
| 02:14.21 | mousex | davisfactor, bob2_: all right. I'll get rid of the hotplug and try. |
| 02:14.31 | BlackJudas | :P I've done it before... just seems that this one's up and disappeared on me. |
| 02:14.34 | Guerin | BlackJudas: It works fine in principl, but actually getting it to work can be tricky. I just gave up. |
| 02:14.36 | furrywolf | blackjudas: make sure any "legacy", "compatibilty", "sound blaster mode", etc options are disabled in the bios. |
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| 02:15.06 | BlackJudas | furrywolf, the only option i have is AC97 Audio [Enabled|Disabled] |
| 02:15.13 | jbm | anyone have any experience with XDMCP? I am looking to run a remote X session in a different console screen on my workstation, trouble is i dont know where to start! |
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| 02:15.53 | doub | jbm: i think googling for an xdmcp howto is one |
| 02:16.03 | doub | jbm: but i can't help much otherwise |
| 02:16.07 | BlackJudas | !tell jbm about xdmcp |
| 02:16.25 | justin | don't need xdmcp, just run X and ssh -fX otherhost somewindowmanager |
| 02:16.27 | Guerin | there's a really sweet xdmcp howto on tldp |
| 02:16.54 | Blue_ | wow, 100 GB PS3 games, isn't that a little excess |
| 02:16.55 | BlackJudas | Hrrmph... I'm gonna have to reboot. bbiab |
| 02:17.38 | doub | Blue_: no |
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| 02:18.05 | furrywolf | one of these days I'll need to buy either an ati or an nvidia card, and run two of the same brand... I have a strange feeling most of these problems are the two brands intentionally not playing together. |
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| 02:18.37 | toresbe | furrywolf: You'll have to use Free drivers on both |
| 02:18.47 | Blue_ | doub: its almost getting to the point though that the graphics aren't noticably different and that much code is almost impossible |
| 02:18.49 | dfx | furrywolf: are you running dual head? |
| 02:19.09 | furrywolf | toresbe: are the ATI free drivers any good? right now I'm using the gatos ones, which suck horribly. :P |
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| 02:19.18 | toresbe | furrywolf: they're excellent |
| 02:19.18 | doub | furrywolf: maybe that's not intentional. nvidia uses a non-dri aware libGL (it accesses hardware directly afaik), that's why both can't play nicely |
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| 02:19.31 | furrywolf | dfx: yep... primary card is an nvidia geforce2, second card is an ati all-in-wonder. |
| 02:19.43 | toresbe | furrywolf: My Radeon 7000 has a bug that prevents it from working with XFree in dual-head mode, so I don't have dualhead |
| 02:19.51 | dfx | furrywolf: why not just buy a dual head card? |
| 02:20.13 | furrywolf | dfx: if you want to buy me a dual-head card with video capture, tv tuner, and tv out, please do so. |
| 02:20.21 | toresbe | furrywolf: Plus, my orphanage doesn't let me have more than one monitor. |
| 02:20.28 | dfx | furrywolf: you'll have to wait in line, I'm getting one first :) |
| 02:20.48 | furrywolf | do they even make dual-head cards with video in/out and tv tuner? |
| 02:20.49 | togs | does courier-imap use the account login password to authenicate, or is it something else |
| 02:20.53 | toresbe | justin: Yeah, I managed to lose my DRI>VGA bit |
| 02:20.56 | doub | Blue_: they might have agreements with storage makers, or that's just marketing |
| 02:21.01 | toresbe | DVI* |
| 02:21.04 | itp560 | can I add a group to a group ? |
| 02:21.18 | toresbe | itp560: you can add all users of a group to one |
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| 02:21.32 | justin | toresbe: dri wouldn't work for dualhead, though starting another X server with a non-dualhead config to play quake3 worked |
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| 02:21.40 | EmeraldCat | If my distro only allows me to share directories from within my home directory and I have an extra drive, could I just mount that drive inside my home directory and share away? |
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| 02:21.55 | toresbe | justin: ic... I'm not big on 3d anyway |
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| 02:22.06 | furrywolf | emerald: that distro must not be debian, and thus we don't care. |
| 02:22.22 | EmeraldCat | furrywolf: Knoppix? |
| 02:22.24 | doub | Blue_: as the average PS user is quite clueless, maybe that'll work |
| 02:22.36 | toresbe | EmeraldCat: sorry, Knoppix is *not* Debian :) |
| 02:22.38 | furrywolf | try #knippix |
| 02:22.41 | furrywolf | knoppix |
| 02:22.49 | toresbe | or even #knoppix if you feel like it :P |
| 02:23.21 | toresbe | justin: Though I do have an idea for a 3d app that I'd get started on if I didn't suck at coding :P |
| 02:23.41 | furrywolf | I'm not finding any dual-head cards that also have tv tuner and video in/out.... |
| 02:23.51 | itp560 | toresbe, I want the audio assigned to another group called listners ? |
| 02:23.58 | toresbe | furrywolf: those two functions are best kept apart IMO |
| 02:24.06 | toresbe | itp560: uh, why? |
| 02:24.11 | Guerin | itp560: i hope you mean listeners |
| 02:24.17 | Guerin | but yeah, why? |
| 02:24.26 | furrywolf | toresbe: then a dual-head card won't do me much good, will it? :) |
| 02:24.44 | toresbe | furrywolf: Heh. |
| 02:24.50 | itp560 | all the users in the listners should be able to listen to audio ? |
| 02:25.02 | Guerin | !kill thefly's misattributed /quit |
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| 02:25.08 | toresbe | itp560: that's what the audio group *does* |
| 02:25.15 | toresbe | Guerin: what was it? I ignore that stuff |
| 02:25.35 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.46 | Guerin | !fuck Bono |
| 02:25.46 | toresbe | hah. |
| 02:25.54 | itp560 | thats comes with the default distribution |
| 02:26.23 | maher | itp560: why can't you just add people to audio |
| 02:26.24 | toresbe | itp560: i'm sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to achieve |
| 02:26.25 | itp560 | only audio group can access the /dev/dsp |
| 02:26.36 | EmeraldCat | hmmm...I thought Knoppix was based on debian... |
| 02:26.41 | Guerin | itp560: why is that a problem? |
| 02:26.45 | toresbe | EmeraldCat: it's an old discussion |
| 02:26.56 | Guerin | EmeraldCat: it is, but it's sufficiently different that we can't help you with it. |
| 02:26.58 | toresbe | itp560: You're aware that one user can be a member of several groups, right? |
| 02:27.10 | EmeraldCat | ok, I see. |
| 02:27.11 | Guerin | EmeraldCat: for example, debian doesn't have this particular limitation. |
| 02:27.32 | EmeraldCat | I think that is a KDE limitation, no? |
| 02:27.39 | itp560 | they are in another group which is dependent on another 3rd party appilication \ |
| 02:27.58 | Guerin | itp560: add them all to audio as well -> done |
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| 02:29.02 | itp560 | it is easy if I can add a perticuler group into the audio group . |
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| 02:29.22 | maher | itp560: i don't think you can do that |
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| 02:31.27 | Guerin | itp560: what stupid 3rdparty app uses listeners instead of audio? and isn't it configurable? |
| 02:31.34 | doub | itp560: a group can only contain users |
| 02:32.30 | maher | itp560: but you can probably have two groups wth the same gid |
| 02:32.46 | stew | what would be the point of having two then? |
| 02:32.57 | itp560 | hmm .. Yeah thats what I was thinking .. |
| 02:33.26 | maher | itp560: or you could just rename audio listeners |
| 02:34.03 | doub | two groups with the same gid makes sense, if the app looks up group by name |
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| 02:34.35 | doub | except maybe it's going to fuck some stuff up |
| 02:34.49 | itp560 | listners group should be there bcos of another application is dependant on that . |
| 02:35.15 | doub | itp560: is it open source? change it then |
| 02:35.27 | itp560 | it is not .. |
| 02:35.45 | doub | itp560: if not, should be easy to s/listeners/audio/ |
| 02:35.52 | doub | in the binary |
| 02:36.34 | doub | just be careful about \0 terminated string |
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| 02:37.11 | m4lu7 | Any tools to zero out a HD on the sarge net inst iso? |
| 02:37.19 | itp560 | thanks 4 everyones help .. brb . |
| 02:37.22 | bob2_ | m4lu7: why? |
| 02:37.23 | cafuego | m4lu7: 'dd' |
| 02:37.26 | stew | m4lu7: there's cp and dd |
| 02:37.28 | doub | m4lu7: dd maybe |
| 02:37.30 | stew | and cat |
| 02:37.51 | cafuego | m4lu7: zeroing it won't safeguard against recovery though. For that you need to overwrite it from /dev/uradom a couple of times. |
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| 02:38.46 | m4lu7 | cafuego, cool. |
| 02:38.53 | doub | cafuego: you need quite much hardware to do so, though |
| 02:39.31 | furrywolf | if you want to make sure it can't be recovered, I reccommend a blowtorch, hacksaw, or other implement of platter destruction. |
| 02:39.38 | m4lu7 | yah. |
| 02:39.48 | m4lu7 | sure. and i'll do that just to forfeit my last paycheck. |
| 02:39.56 | furrywolf | lol |
| 02:39.57 | cafuego | doub: No, just a lot of time. |
| 02:40.19 | m4lu7 | i can't wait to get rid of that craptop. |
| 02:40.29 | doub | cafuego: how would you do that? with no particular hw? |
| 02:40.30 | furrywolf | what model laptop? |
| 02:40.36 | m4lu7 | T30 stinkpad |
| 02:40.55 | idealbsd | any can give some web resources of solutions to solve fillets-ng in sid, it's a little difficult in some leveles? |
| 02:40.57 | zinx | m4lu7: i'll trade you my 600e with faulty backlight |
| 02:41.10 | cafuego | doub: dd, /dev/urandom and /dev/hd* exist when you boot an installer, problem solved. |
| 02:41.19 | furrywolf | hell, I'll give you $50 for the laptop |
| 02:41.30 | furrywolf | and I promise I won't try to recover your data. :P |
| 02:41.47 | furrywolf | my laptop is a p2-300... |
| 02:41.50 | m4lu7 | i am quitting IBM. they want their gear back. if they don't get it, i lose out on about 4 grand. |
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| 02:41.53 | m4lu7 | no thanks. |
| 02:42.14 | doub | cafuego: ah ok, i see. i was just wondering how would you recover a zeroed (or randomed, for that matter) HD ? |
| 02:42.28 | Guerin | it's not easy |
| 02:42.32 | furrywolf | heh. I'll take your job if you don't want it. I need a job. :P |
| 02:42.33 | doub | cafuego: *that* requires a lot of hardware |
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| 02:42.41 | Guerin | unless you work for a data forensics lab |
| 02:42.43 | m4lu7 | furrywolf, you don't want this job. |
| 02:43.00 | furrywolf | I haven't been fired from my current one, but since I haven't heard from my boss in two months, I'm assuming I no longer have it... |
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| 02:43.25 | furrywolf | what's the job? right now scrubbing the floors with be better pay than sitting on IRC and helping people zero hard drives. :P |
| 02:43.27 | Jamsi | Anyhow know any good tutorials on sendmail smpt auth? I need it to authenticate against the shadow file. |
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| 02:43.45 | sparr__ | m4lu6: did you pay for the gear? is it theirs or yours? |
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| 02:44.11 | cafuego | Jamsi: postfix is your friend |
| 02:44.14 | Jamsi | :) |
| 02:44.17 | m4lu7 | good grief. |
| 02:44.25 | m4lu7 | "IBM wants their laptop back" |
| 02:44.47 | cafuego | Jamsi: it uses saslauthd, which speaks to pam (/etc/pamd/smtp) |
| 02:44.47 | m4lu7 | I'm keeping the 2 22" NEC monitors though. they don't know about them ;) |
| 02:44.58 | furrywolf | heh. what was your job? :P |
| 02:45.18 | doub | well, bed time. good night all |
| 02:45.32 | m4lu7 | my job *was* as a programmer for sprint, but when they sold me to IBM last year, i became "do boy", as in, "do this, do that, to satisfy contract." |
| 02:45.48 | m4lu7 | i have been shuffling trouble tickets since i trained my indian replacements in feb. |
| 02:45.55 | sparr__ | m4lu7: ill take that job |
| 02:45.57 | m4lu7 | I don't do tech support. ever. |
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| 02:46.07 | sparr__ | heh, i do tech support at a web hosting company |
| 02:46.07 | m4lu7 | you can't have it. it's going to brazil at the end of the month |
| 02:46.17 | sparr__ | imagine the dumbest 3 guys on irc. they call me all day long. |
| 02:46.23 | m4lu7 | offshore offshore offshore. |
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| 02:46.50 | sparr__ | i think companies underestimate the avialable cheap programmers without offshoring |
| 02:46.50 | furrywolf | my current job is driving all over the state, in rain, snow, hail, etc, during the winter, and hot sun during the summer, climbing on top of people's roofs, and installing directv dishes. for less than minimum wage. no pay for gas. no pay for hotel. no pay for parts (every foot of wire, connector, etc comes out of my pocket). no pay for tools. etc, etc, etc. the last trip I made was 900 miles of driving and 5 installs over 4 days to |
| 02:46.52 | m4lu7 | funny thing is, Sprint has no clue how bad it's about to get. my job was to support the PCS stores. the brazillians just learned how to type last monthy |
| 02:46.53 | shingouz | brazil. nice. it is warm there |
| 02:46.53 | Guerin | http://www.improvisation.ws/mb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4475 # your job ain't as bad as hers |
| 02:46.58 | sparr__ | there are companies that do 'domestic outsourcing' |
| 02:47.09 | doub | is there any industrial country not having a growing unemployment rate? |
| 02:47.40 | sparr__ | where i live $10/hr puts me in the top 50% |
| 02:47.41 | m4lu7 | Nice. |
| 02:47.41 | sparr__ | for $10/hr id do almost any programming job |
| 02:47.41 | Guerin | doub: new zealand's is best in the OECD |
| 02:47.41 | sparr__ | what did you make at IBM? |
| 02:47.41 | m4lu7 | very inexpensive place to live, then |
| 02:47.41 | sparr__ | very |
| 02:47.41 | sparr__ | almost everyone i know makes minimum wage |
| 02:47.41 | Guerin | doub: south korea's is pretty low too, but it is growing slowly |
| 02:47.41 | sparr__ | my last job paid $5.50 |
| 02:47.55 | furrywolf | m4lu7: so can you say that your job is worse than my job? :) |
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| 02:48.18 | m4lu7 | i make no such claim. what i say is, "I don't do tech support." |
| 02:48.23 | XI-Phazor | sparr__, i just got offered a job for 18.50 for anywhere in the US or canada/pacific islands |
| 02:48.23 | doub | Guerin: as i saw somewhere in the street "capitalism is dying, let's just help it" |
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| 02:48.35 | furrywolf | actually, I only made about $50, if you count that I went through two $15 drill bits, and other tool wear... forgot to subtract that. |
| 02:48.38 | m4lu7 | and since my skin color and first language doesn't jive with what IBM believes to be a Proper programmer, i'm shafted. |
| 02:48.39 | Guerin | doub: haha |
| 02:48.43 | bob2_ | $10 seems kinda low for the US |
| 02:48.47 | XI-Phazor | sparr__, where are you? |
| 02:48.54 | furrywolf | bob2: umm? most people I know would kill to make $10. |
| 02:48.56 | sparr__ | furrywolf: and yet you keep doing it. cable installs here pay about $1000/mo, and they provide everything but the tools/truck/gas |
| 02:49.02 | bob2_ | furrywolf: wtf? |
| 02:49.07 | Guerin | m4lu7: you mean you speak english and are anglo? |
| 02:49.07 | sparr__ | furrywolf: you should move here |
| 02:49.10 | Tokeda | can anyone tell me how to remove a program that was installed using make install? |
| 02:49.10 | bob2_ | furrywolf: at a supermarket here you earn more than that |
| 02:49.12 | sparr__ | XI-Phazor: clarksville tn |
| 02:49.13 | bob2_ | (in usd) |
| 02:49.14 | m4lu7 | Guerin, yes sir. |
| 02:49.17 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:49.19 | furrywolf | sparr: heh. that's a heck of a lot better than I was making... |
| 02:49.19 | doub | Guerin: in what respect is it "best" ? |
| 02:49.22 | bob2_ | and we pay like twice what you do for petrol |
| 02:49.25 | sparr__ | Tokeda: read the makefile |
| 02:49.25 | Guerin | doub: lowest |
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| 02:49.37 | furrywolf | bob2: supermarkets here pay minimum wage |
| 02:49.40 | sparr__ | furrywolf: experienced install contractors are always in demand somewhere. you REALLY need to job hunt |
| 02:49.42 | XI-Phazor | somewhere in TN i can get a server job for 22 per hour. plus 12$ hour side work |
| 02:49.48 | bob2_ | furrywolf: same here, which is > $10/hour |
| 02:49.57 | dabaSlon | bah |
| 02:50.04 | m4lu7 | funny that in the last two months since i trained my replacements, they have quit. |
| 02:50.07 | Guerin | not more than US$10/hour |
| 02:50.11 | Guerin | surely |
| 02:50.12 | XI-Phazor | i really want to finish college though |
| 02:50.15 | m4lu7 | IBM is losing lots of their people in India to EDS, Tata, etc |
| 02:50.17 | sparr__ | furrywolf: last summer i spent a month in miami making $2000/wk replacing fuses and batteries in line equipment |
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| 02:50.41 | dabaSlon | Guerin: in Canada its like 7 bucks already, or something like that |
| 02:50.43 | jjuarez | donde puedo bajar los instaladores de debian sarge |
| 02:50.45 | bob2_ | Guerin: that's only like $au13 or something these days |
| 02:50.46 | jjuarez | y q ande |
| 02:50.47 | furrywolf | bob2: minimum wage here is $6.75, and virtually nothing pays over that. |
| 02:50.54 | doub | !es |
| 02:50.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:50.56 | bob2_ | jjuarez: obviously this isn't a spanish channel |
| 02:51.00 | sparr__ | minimum here is federal, $5.35 i think. and most jobs pay that |
| 02:51.02 | furrywolf | skilled technicians, etc, only get $12. |
| 02:51.06 | sparr__ | !es jjuarez |
| 02:51.07 | bob2_ | jesus |
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| 02:51.12 | sparr__ | !debian-es jjuarez |
| 02:51.15 | dabaSlon | Guerin: why would you bajar, anyhow? |
| 02:51.29 | tabris|away | sparr__: 5.15 last i knew was minimum federal. 4.25 before that. |
| 02:51.35 | bob2_ | the minimum wage here is $14.76/hour |
| 02:51.35 | sparr__ | ok, 5.15 then |
| 02:51.38 | furrywolf | and then everyone's always so surprised when the census finds 35% of people living below the poverty level... |
| 02:51.39 | Guerin | bob2_: minwage for someone over 18 in NZ is about NZ$9 - about US$6.5 |
| 02:51.42 | XI-Phazor | hablo un poco espanol |
| 02:51.47 | sparr__ | bob2_: USD? |
| 02:51.50 | bob2_ | Guerin: as above for 21+ |
| 02:51.51 | Guerin | bob2_: fuckinghell |
| 02:51.53 | cafuego | !es |
| 02:51.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:52.08 | sparr__ | cafuego: show off |
| 02:52.09 | dabaSlon | Guerin: same ehre:) |
| 02:52.09 | Guerin | bob2_: no wonder so many NZers are moving to .au |
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| 02:52.27 | Aradorn | whats the command to change a file from being read only? |
| 02:52.28 | cafuego | sparr__: Ha, I hven't even told you my hourly rate yet |
| 02:52.29 | christor | Hello, I would like to send an html file using the command mail , is it possible ? |
| 02:52.38 | bob2_ | Guerin: that and our dole, you bastards! |
| 02:52.41 | cafuego | christor: apt-get install mpack; man mpack |
| 02:52.48 | bob2_ | furrywolf: $us11.20/hour |
| 02:52.51 | FlyingPenguin | aradorn: chmod |
| 02:52.54 | furrywolf | most jobs here for experienced installers are $8/hour... beginners, of course, get $6.75. |
| 02:53.02 | XI-Phazor | where I can lower the installers of debian sarge is the translation of what he said. but im sure it has another meaning |
| 02:53.10 | XI-Phazor | i really have no real world spanish exp |
| 02:53.10 | sparr__ | furrywolf: no one pays installers by the hour here, its all by the job |
| 02:53.11 | Guerin | bob2_: heh. ALL the new zealanders I know in .au are and have been gainfully employed pretty much the whole time |
| 02:53.14 | bob2_ | http://www.docep.wa.gov.au/lr/LabourRelations/Content/Wages%20and%20Conditions/Wages%20and%20Awards/Pages/Minimum%20Wage%20Rates.html |
| 02:53.17 | furrywolf | fucking network admins with many years of experience required only get $9 |
| 02:53.21 | ethics | cafuego: do you create the factoids? or is there a place for them? |
| 02:53.29 | bob2_ | Guerin: hah, me too |
| 02:53.34 | dabaSlon | christor: no, its impossible:) |
| 02:53.41 | jbm | Is it possible to run an Xserver inside a window of another Xserver? |
| 02:53.44 | dabaSlon | an html file through mail??:) |
| 02:53.46 | cafuego | ethics: Anyone can create/modify delete them, they live in a database on dpkg's server |
| 02:53.49 | Guerin | bob2_: these guys will do anything, though - shearing in WA, mining, cafes, bars, selling corn at bondi beach... |
| 02:53.49 | bob2_ | jbm: xnest |
| 02:53.50 | Delph | jbm: xnest |
| 02:53.54 | jbm | thx |
| 02:53.58 | Delph | bah *shakes fist at bob2_* |
| 02:54.05 | bob2_ | furrywolf: so, people stacking boxes in supermarkets here earn more than network admins in your country |
| 02:54.08 | ethics | cafuego so i should go look up how to use bloodbots? |
| 02:54.09 | bob2_ | your country sucks ;p |
| 02:54.14 | doub | christor: are you trying to send spam? |
| 02:54.14 | dabaSlon | bah |
| 02:54.16 | deadcat | Delph: shake harder boy |
| 02:54.20 | dabaSlon | damn, what a statement... |
| 02:54.21 | cafuego | ethics: if you so desire, sure |
| 02:54.22 | furrywolf | sparr: I get paid by the job too. $75/job. minus wire, connectors, and every other part. minus tools. minus gas. minus hotel. etc, etc, etc. in the end I'm lucky to make $20 per job. |
| 02:54.52 | Guerin | ethics: /msg dpkg help |
| 02:55.01 | furrywolf | bob2: I know my country sucks. they also bomb people, have a worthless educational system, and broadcast propoganda 24/7 under the title "news". |
| 02:55.05 | doub | XI-Phazor: i guess bajar means backup in this context |
| 02:55.11 | bob2_ | furrywolf: heh |
| 02:55.20 | XI-Phazor | ya probly |
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| 02:55.27 | furrywolf | cafuego: I will too. :P |
| 02:55.32 | bob2_ | furrywolf: I'm really surprised, I thought tech people raked it in |
| 02:55.35 | stew | i'll do it for 160/hr |
| 02:55.52 | dabaSlon | ill do it for a wage:-p |
| 02:55.54 | cafuego | I will then remote maintain and admin it for $88/hr with a 5hr/mth minimum retainer. |
| 02:56.00 | Guerin | i'll do it remotely for $50/hour if i've got someone who can reboot the machine every now and then |
| 02:56.02 | bob2_ | I felt bad charging $50/hour for something |
| 02:56.04 | dabaSlon | or a contract |
| 02:56.06 | furrywolf | I'll do it for $5/hour. it's more than I make now, and I don't have to climb on your roof in the middle of a fucking hailstorm to do it. (which I've done. often.) |
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| 02:56.16 | doub | stew: there's a german website implementing this idea: jobdumping. a reverse ebay for jobs |
| 02:56.16 | bob2_ | and now people tell me I need to double that to be taken seriously |
| 02:56.29 | cafuego | bob2_: yep |
| 02:56.36 | stew | yep |
| 02:56.39 | furrywolf | there's a lot of rain here... probably 60% of jobs I've done have been in rain, snow, or hail. |
| 02:56.45 | dabaSlon | furrywolf: haha:) |
| 02:56.48 | bob2_ | furrywolf: gah |
| 02:56.54 | bob2_ | furrywolf: move over here, dude ;) |
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| 02:57.06 | cafuego | bob2_: I once quoted Toyota $25,000 for a programming job and they went with the $150,000 solution instaed (mine was a finished product, they don't much like the one they ended up with) |
| 02:57.10 | dabaSlon | we found him...lol |
| 02:57.14 | furrywolf | and about 75% of them end up being roof installs, since around here the locals come in on a separate broadcast antenna, which must be on the roof. |
| 02:57.22 | findme | found ? |
| 02:57.23 | bob2_ | cafuego: woah, you charge $440/month/client?!? |
| 02:57.35 | bob2_ | cafuego: haha |
| 02:57.47 | XI-Phazor | i have been paid 600$ for 15 min of work times 3 instances |
| 02:57.54 | cafuego | bob2_: They do get 24/7 service; and as opposed to Guerin remote reboots do not cause them any issues. |
| 02:58.02 | XI-Phazor | another time they told me they would buy me a compuer and give me 100 |
| 02:58.12 | bob2_ | cafuego: hmm |
| 02:58.13 | Guerin | cafuego: hey, I'm talking about the install. |
| 02:58.32 | dabaSlon | XI-Phazor: sweet...well, share the love:) |
| 02:58.39 | XI-Phazor | know assembly? |
| 02:58.48 | shingouz | XI-Phazor: i hope you got to pick the computer they bought you ;) |
| 02:58.54 | cafuego | Guerin: yeah, those I always do on-site; for the raid setup and first custom kernel compile (plus firewall) |
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| 02:58.57 | dabaSlon | ya, whatever...not really inmterested.. |
| 02:58.57 | furrywolf | my favorites are metal roofs in the snow (slippery as fuck) and old wood shingle roofs with mold growing on them in the rain (also slippery as fuck, and the shingles have a bad habit of pulling out when you step on them, requiring you to jam them back in, put a screw through them, and hope the homeowner doesn't notice). |
| 02:59.03 | tremere | anyone here used PENGAOL? i need a way to connect to AOL, but most ppp tools do not accomplish this successfully. |
| 02:59.05 | Guerin | cafuego: that's sane. |
| 02:59.06 | XI-Phazor | i can hook you up part time, work when you want and then some specific days |
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| 02:59.18 | bob2_ | furrywolf: do you use like safety ropes or something? |
| 02:59.23 | cafuego | Guerin: I only *look* insane ;-) |
| 02:59.31 | furrywolf | bob2: we aren't allowed to. |
| 02:59.35 | bob2_ | wtf |
| 02:59.36 | XI-Phazor | shingouz, they had me go with one of them to fry's and the rest was gotten from newegg.com |
| 02:59.39 | Guerin | cafuego: all dutchmen look insane. |
| 02:59.43 | maher | bob2_: furrywolf: safety bungee |
| 02:59.50 | bob2_ | furrywolf: your boss would be getting spanked by the government here if they did that |
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| 02:59.55 | Guerin | furrywolf: why the fuck? |
| 02:59.58 | bob2_ | and if you died, we have industrial manslaughter laws now |
| 02:59.58 | furrywolf | bob2: as you said, my country sucks. :P |
| 03:00.06 | CyL | what are the ports that need to be open in the firewall to connect to a sshd server inside it? |
| 03:00.07 | XI-Phazor | its not a bad machine however they did perfer 3.2ghz p4 ht extreme edition and it runs hot and does less work than my amds |
| 03:00.09 | MrKeuner | hi, vmware warned me about a kernel compiled with gcc-3.3.5 while current gcc is 3.3.6, vmware might not be stable. So, in order to have a kernel compiled with gcc-3.3.6 I did: copy config-2.6.11-1-k7 as .config and did make-kpkg claen and did make-kpkg --revision=b1 --initrd kernel_image modules_image in the /usr/src/linux which is linked to kernel-source-2.6.11. Compilation was successful however when I boot from the new kernel |
| 03:00.09 | MrKeuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.09 | cafuego | Guerin: *pffft* |
| 03:00.10 | doub | furrywolf: i have a friend who works in roof covering, maybe there's some advice to get from them |
| 03:00.22 | Aradorn | Ok, ive tried doing chmod +rw <dir to linuxrc> but no luck... Any other suggestions? |
| 03:00.26 | furrywolf | guerin: because they schedule jobs closer together than you have time to do, and fire you if you take too long. time spent, for example, on using safety equipment. |
| 03:00.30 | Tokeda | ok, i have read the Makefile and i still do not see how to remove this. |
| 03:00.33 | shingouz | XI-Phazor: neat. pity fry's do not carry SGI ;) |
| 03:00.34 | Aradorn | cant even edit the file as root |
| 03:00.39 | bob2_ | MrKeuner: you need to configure your bootloader to know about the initrd |
| 03:00.52 | Guerin | furrywolf: you can sue if you fall, though? |
| 03:00.53 | MrKeuner | bob2_/ it knows about it |
| 03:00.54 | Delph | furrywolf: see, what you need is a country where that's illegal, and you can get multidollah from your employer if they did so. |
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| 03:01.04 | bob2_ | MrKeuner: if it's lilo, you need to rerun it |
| 03:01.11 | XI-Phazor | shingouz, they got me a MSI motherboard it works other than that i cant say anything good about it |
| 03:01.12 | MrKeuner | bob2_/ grub |
| 03:01.26 | furrywolf | guerin: nope. if I fall, I'm either dead, or paying the hospital my paycheck until I'm dead. |
| 03:01.31 | dabaSlon | Aradorn: which file anyhow. |
| 03:01.44 | Aradorn | linuxrc from the initrd.img |
| 03:01.57 | furrywolf | I can't afford health insurance, so any medial bills are out-of-pcoket... |
| 03:02.02 | MrKeuner | bob2_/ initrd /initrd.img I have that line in menu.lst |
| 03:02.02 | furrywolf | medical |
| 03:02.22 | dabaSlon | wow...sucks ass, as you pointed out,... |
| 03:02.59 | MrKeuner | bob2_/ can it be framebuffer problem. But I am able to use vga=791 with 2.6.11-1-k7 |
| 03:03.11 | MrKeuner | which uses the same .config |
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| 03:03.45 | XI-Phazor2 | OMFG, dude the moment i said that my computer shut off |
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| 03:04.11 | XI-Phazor2 | just died |
| 03:04.11 | furrywolf | phazor: are the lights in the house still on? |
| 03:04.11 | XI-Phazor2 | now i have something bad to say about it, it wasnt even hot and it died |
| 03:04.11 | Guerin | administer cpr |
| 03:04.21 | furrywolf | is the power cord still plugged in? |
| 03:04.23 | XI-Phazor2 | everything is fine, backup power ok, no faults, ok wavelength |
| 03:04.32 | doub | MrKeuner: did you use the same kernel version? maybe the config stuff fucked up with config differencies |
| 03:04.32 | furrywolf | phazor: what motherboard? |
| 03:04.45 | furrywolf | and, if it's an MSI, what do your capacitors look like? |
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| 03:04.54 | XI-Phazor2 | its a motherboard problem i guess, msi lol... some stupid one that came with the p4 3.2ghz ht extreme edition |
| 03:05.08 | MrKeuner | doub/ I used 2.6.11 source and 2.6.11-1-k7 config |
| 03:05.11 | XI-Phazor2 | let me see ill open it |
| 03:05.17 | Aradorn | heh its probably your processor =p |
| 03:05.23 | Aradorn | I havnt had any problems with my MSI board |
| 03:05.24 | furrywolf | that's probably too new to have bad caps, but can't hurt to check. |
| 03:05.29 | furrywolf | make sure all your fans are spinning. |
| 03:05.35 | furrywolf | aradorn: what board? |
| 03:05.38 | Guerin | hrm, my wife's credit card tally is $2,000 different from what the bank statements say |
| 03:05.40 | Aradorn | Neo2 plat |
| 03:05.42 | Guerin | no |
| 03:05.50 | doub | MrKeuner: or you might need to run make menuconfig or the like for the config to be taken into acount before compiling |
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| 03:06.01 | Guerin | the bank says one thing; the statements say $2,000 more negative money |
| 03:06.08 | furrywolf | aradorn: probably also too new to have bad caps. :P |
| 03:06.09 | XI-Phazor2 | i had a better rated power supply put in and i tested that it works fine, no thermal issues, videocard and memory all check out fine |
| 03:06.12 | MrKeuner | doub/ oh do I really? OK I'll do that |
| 03:06.17 | Aradorn | heh maybe =) |
| 03:06.24 | findme | bank & statements |
| 03:06.28 | findme | sounds interesting |
| 03:06.34 | furrywolf | I've recapped too many msi boards. :) |
| 03:06.39 | doub | MrKeuner: i remember having such a problem when i last compiled a kernel with make-kpkg |
| 03:06.52 | XI-Phazor2 | no caps look blown, its on a surge protector with no faults |
| 03:06.53 | MrKeuner | ok |
| 03:07.03 | doub | MrKeuner: which had cryptic doc, btw. don't know if it went any better |
| 03:07.04 | furrywolf | last were a pair of 694ds... 22 bad caps each. |
| 03:07.14 | Aradorn | ok any clue on how to change the permissions on linuxrc so i can edit the file? my chmod attempt didnt work... |
| 03:07.19 | XI-Phazor2 | when i put my dual layer dvd burner in and use it the computer resets, but it works on aevery other motherboard |
| 03:07.42 | Guerin | i'm buying one o' them next week |
| 03:07.52 | furrywolf | guerin: buying a dvd burner? |
| 03:07.55 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:08.08 | furrywolf | staples has dual-format double-layer drives for $39 this week... |
| 03:08.11 | furrywolf | 16x |
| 03:08.13 | dabaSlon | Aradorn: chmod? something, dude... |
| 03:08.14 | Guerin | fuck |
| 03:08.26 | Guerin | the ones in this little burg are ~$100 |
| 03:08.27 | XI-Phazor2 | 848p -a rev 2.0 motherboard, maybe if i get a bios update. |
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| 03:08.31 | Aradorn | im trying chmod +rw <file> but that dosnt work |
| 03:08.34 | furrywolf | http://instorespecials.staples.com/staples/default.aspx?action=browsepagedetail&storeid=2278522&rapid=140434&pagenumber=1&listingid=-2096949764&ref=%2fstaples%2fdefault.aspx%3faction%3dbrowsepagesingle%26storeid%3d2278522%26rapid%3d140434%26pagenumber%3d1%26prvid%3dStaples-050515%26promotioncode%3dStaples-050515 |
| 03:08.36 | doub | MrKeuner: but anyway, vmware is just complaining for many useless reasons, i guess just for you not to urge the support staff |
| 03:08.39 | furrywolf | gah, ugly url |
| 03:08.49 | doub | MrKeuner: so it might work well anyway |
| 03:08.52 | Guerin | i'm likely to have to make a trip to Yongsan for a cheap one |
| 03:08.56 | XI-Phazor2 | this ones the ecs, the other one they got me was msi |
| 03:09.01 | XI-Phazor2 | lol im mixed up |
| 03:09.07 | XI-Phazor2 | ecs is even worse |
| 03:09.16 | furrywolf | "I/O Magic 16x max double layer internal dual format DVD drive" "16x write, 8x rewrite, 16x read max speeds" "$99.98 - $30 instant savings - $30 easy rebate = $39.94" |
| 03:09.44 | Aradorn | my Liteon DVD+-RW was like 45 |
| 03:09.53 | Aradorn | not sure if its dual layer or not |
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| 03:10.06 | furrywolf | I paid $69 for mine, but due to what looks like a kernel bug, can't use it. |
| 03:10.15 | Aradorn | doh |
| 03:10.16 | Guerin | i expect i'll be able to get one for $60 or so in yongsan |
| 03:10.45 | Guerin | i just hope it works in my firewire housing |
| 03:11.16 | MrKeuner | doub/ diff /boot/config-2.6.11 /boot/config-2.6.11-1-k7 does not return any significant changes other than the date stuff |
| 03:11.22 | XI-Phazor2 | ecs has no updated bios for it |
| 03:11.36 | MrKeuner | would you still recommend doing make menuconfig and recompiling? |
| 03:11.39 | furrywolf | writes work perfectly. about 1% cpu usage for a 16x burn. reading, however, pegs the cpu at 100%, slows the box down to a crawl (1-second keyboard lag), and either doesn't read anything, or reads very, very slowly. brought it to someone else's house with a dual-boot box, exact same problem under linux, works perfectly from windoze... |
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| 03:12.15 | tremere | is there a "free" AOL-dialup for tool for Linux users out there (that doesn't suck)? |
| 03:12.30 | furrywolf | tremere: it's not possible to make anything to do with aol not suck. |
| 03:12.30 | stew | by definition, no |
| 03:12.43 | dabaSlon | furrywolf: word. |
| 03:12.55 | tremere | furrywolf why the hell is that? doesn't AOL want to make money off Linux users? :/ |
| 03:13.13 | furrywolf | tremere: no. they want to make money of AOL users. |
| 03:13.17 | dabaSlon | tremere: yeah, they love Linux there. |
| 03:13.21 | Guerin | tremere: what linux users? linux users are people who don't need AOL |
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| 03:13.29 | furrywolf | what percentage of linux users would touch AOL with a 50ft pool? |
| 03:13.30 | furrywolf | pole |
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| 03:13.51 | dabaSlon | or pool 4 that matter |
| 03:14.20 | tremere | furrywolf they can do that by making users pay for AOL, which i am doing. putting up an AOL dialer for Linux wouldn't stop them from making money. |
| 03:14.21 | dabaSlon | :) |
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| 03:14.30 | furrywolf | staples also has 50pk dvds for $7.94 this week... but I already spent all my spare money on my new printer. |
| 03:14.36 | jbl | http://www.subterrain.net/drupal/100-reasons-why-i-prefer-zen-linux-over-windows |
| 03:14.37 | jbl | :-) |
| 03:14.49 | tremere | Guerin please elaborate :) are you saying that Linux users get internet for free? |
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| 03:15.08 | Guerin | tremere: no, they have standards and know how to get internet access without using AOL. |
| 03:15.08 | dabaSlon | theres only 31... |
| 03:15.20 | tremere | furrywolf please, let's address the problem here (from my perspective). i need an AOL-dialer, doesn't matter what others think of AOL :) |
| 03:15.36 | furrywolf | printer is probably a good deal... color laser, 20ppm, 1200dpi, ethernet, 32mb ram... only 37k pages printed so far, and comes with all four toner carts working... not too bad for $50, I hope. |
| 03:15.46 | Guerin | tremere: the thing you forget is that the number of linux users in the world is barely significant to an ISP, and the number who want to use AOL are a very tiny subset of those. |
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| 03:16.07 | tremere | Guerin what standards? no need to be nasty, or elitist. i came here looking for help, not to be treated like shit because i use AOL |
| 03:16.09 | Delph | tremere: why not use a proper ISP? |
| 03:16.23 | furrywolf | !aolify tremere |
| 03:16.29 | Delph | there are quite a few 1p/min dialups( at least in the UK) who don't require AOLs custom protocols. |
| 03:16.32 | dabaSlon | furrywolf: hah, you and staples. |
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| 03:16.43 | tremere | dpkg why don't you stfu |
| 03:16.52 | Guerin | tremere: I'm not treating you like shit; I'm explaining to you why AOL don't give a fuck about linux users: because linux users don't give a fuck about them. Yourself and probably a couple thousand other people worldwide excepted. |
| 03:17.09 | XI-Phazor2 | tremere, google.com/linux |
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| 03:17.17 | furrywolf | staples is the only computer store in the area. |
| 03:17.31 | tremere | XI-Phazor2 what does that have to do with the conversation? |
| 03:17.36 | Guerin | what's a couple thousand people to AOL? Especially when they want AOL to write, test, market and distribute a new app just for them? |
| 03:17.42 | XI-Phazor2 | if a aol dialer exists (there was one but aol keeps changing its login encryption or something that makes it useless) it will be there |
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| 03:17.49 | furrywolf | aside from a couple local places that want ten times what staples does for any given part. |
| 03:17.50 | m4lu7 | Haha. |
| 03:18.02 | Cyanophytes | after deleting the default route to my eth0 cable modem how can I add it again? |
| 03:18.19 | Guerin | Cyanophytes: route add default gw ip.add.re.ss |
| 03:18.20 | XI-Phazor2 | tremere, http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAOL.html |
| 03:18.37 | m4lu7 | watching evening news, they said, "Notice your internet connection slowing down? It's all your neighbors downloading Revenge of The Sith". right. more like my neighbors downloading, "Ream Me Good, with Roxxxy Foxxx" |
| 03:18.52 | m4lu7 | f**king media. |
| 03:18.55 | furrywolf | lol |
| 03:19.15 | Cyanophytes | Guerin: ip.add.re.ss is the address to my router? |
| 03:19.31 | furrywolf | lol! that appears to be a real name (pasted it into google). why, exactly, do you know this? :P |
| 03:19.32 | Guerin | Cyanophytes: 1 |
| 03:20.03 | Guerin | m4lu7: haha |
| 03:20.22 | furrywolf | anyway, who would bother downloading the crap that is star wars? |
| 03:20.39 | Guerin | i should watch ep2 |
| 03:20.42 | stew | and actually the internet seems relatively snappy |
| 03:20.51 | tremere | any dialup internet services out there that are Linux friendly? |
| 03:20.55 | m4lu7 | i should watch All Girl School 18. |
| 03:21.03 | furrywolf | tremere: EVERY SINGLE ONE except aol. |
| 03:21.12 | Guerin | tremere: any of them who use standard protocols like ppp, pppoe or dhcp |
| 03:21.25 | m4lu7 | that's what my new job is, btw. Pr0n. wheeee. |
| 03:21.39 | stew | m4lu7: are you an actor? |
| 03:21.43 | furrywolf | porn is boring. sex toys are fun. |
| 03:22.26 | m4lu7 | boring, yes. profitable? certainly. |
| 03:22.36 | m4lu7 | and no, not an actor. screw that (pardon the pun) |
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| 03:23.12 | Cyanophytes | Guering thanks |
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| 03:25.55 | xfce | why i can't run the command "make config",reply "no rules to create" |
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| 03:26.38 | ethics | xfce: ./configure ?? |
| 03:26.40 | Guerin | xfce: context |
| 03:27.10 | furrywolf | bbl, need to shower, cut nails, and other boring things. |
| 03:27.34 | tremere | Guerin would you recommend any one dialup service over others? |
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| 03:28.07 | tremere | my wife and i are looking at StarBand satelite internet, but it's freaking expensive to set up :( |
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| 03:28.17 | xfce | run the command"make config" in the terminal |
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| 03:28.44 | furrywolf | tremere: don't forget the 1-second or so latency... |
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| 03:29.35 | Cyanophytes | kppp gives me default route option disabled is there a way to fix it? |
| 03:29.37 | tremere | furrywolf that mostly just affect gamers, right? |
| 03:30.33 | furrywolf | and I don't know how they handle bandwidth, but if it's anything like Direcway, starting a bittorrent client or something will result in your link being automagically throttled... |
| 03:30.43 | mrwill | tremere: well, latency can affect your throughput if it is high enough. |
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| 03:30.57 | xfce | there's no the file "configure" |
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| 03:31.40 | christor | Please I have a last question, I would like to send a mail using the command mail.But in the mail I want to |
| 03:31.42 | tremere | for me, i'm just a surfer, occasionally download programs to install...but that's it....XBox Live sucks, so we don't have that anymore....i really don't game online :) mostly just a surfer |
| 03:31.43 | christor | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.46 | christor | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.49 | christor | lol sorry |
| 03:32.03 | stew | xfce: what are you trying to build? |
| 03:32.06 | christor | Please I have a last question, I would like to send a mail using the command mail.But in the mail I want to attach a html file . My solution is to use : uuencode file.html |mail .... but my link in the mail are broken.Is there an other solution? |
| 03:32.19 | furrywolf | bbl |
| 03:32.28 | xfce | compile the kernel |
| 03:32.28 | red | this sites-available with apache2 on debian. does that come by default |
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| 03:33.06 | xfce | how can i do it |
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| 03:33.32 | xfce | compile the kernel 2.6.11 |
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| 03:33.40 | jbm | !xdmcp |
| 03:33.40 | dpkg | [xdmcp] if using a recent xdm .deb, comment last line in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config to enable xdmcp at all! also edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess to specify which clients are allowed to use XDMCP - a single line of "*" means "anyone in the world" |
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| 03:34.59 | mrwill | christor: I think you should try a different mua |
| 03:35.48 | christor | mrwill: I can t |
| 03:35.54 | mrwill | christor: why not? |
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| 03:36.09 | Cyanophytes | how do I display all pppd proccesses? |
| 03:36.18 | Cyanophytes | how do I display all pppd proccesses? |
| 03:36.19 | cycom | how would I set a static IP for boot on debian? |
| 03:36.30 | itp560 | ps -auxf | grep pppd |
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| 03:36.40 | christor | Cyanophytes: ps -aux |grep ppd |
| 03:36.45 | christor | arf sorry |
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| 03:36.55 | itp560 | cycom, please the man interface |
| 03:37.03 | christor | cycom: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:37.26 | IDC | Good morning |
| 03:37.29 | christor | and modify value take on google debian interface static ... |
| 03:37.42 | furrywolf | lol! jabberwacky... "I like killing chatbots." gave "Killing is wrong for the most part. Are you American?". I see this bot learns well. :P |
| 03:38.03 | xfce | cycom:set Network Card |
| 03:38.49 | christor | mrwill: because ti s aworkstation from my work and my chief doesn t want to install an ther |
| 03:39.08 | Cyanophytes | man pppd |
| 03:39.35 | xfce | when i compile the kernel 2.6.11,i can't run the command"make config" |
| 03:39.37 | christor | mrwill: I have tried2 solution : first cat file.html|mail.. but I receved the text source |
| 03:39.43 | xfce | why |
| 03:39.54 | m4lu7 | ok. time to blank a HD. |
| 03:40.02 | christor | and uuencode file.html|mail.... and it si good except link in html file |
| 03:40.13 | mrwill | christor: you want to use 'mail' to send an html mail? |
| 03:40.17 | jasoncohen | does mozilla-mplayer work? it never seems to work in debian for me but it works fine in mdk. i'm not sure why |
| 03:40.25 | jasoncohen | it just downloads the video and stops |
| 03:40.44 | Buuyo^ | How do I create a bridge with 'interfaces' that has no ip address, just two network cards? I didn't recognize anything in man interfaces that could help me. |
| 03:40.55 | mrwill | jasoncohen: wild guess, maybe you don't have the proper codecs installed? |
| 03:41.06 | Buuyo^ | Or is that even the right way to do it? |
| 03:41.18 | jasoncohen | mrwill, i can play the files in xine or gmplayer. i have w32codecs installed |
| 03:41.33 | christor | mrwill: exactly |
| 03:42.02 | mrwill | christor: how exactly are the links broken? |
| 03:42.35 | xfce | the MPlayer can't switch to real fullscreen,how can i do it |
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| 03:44.08 | TwistedEmotions | xfce, edit ~mplayer/.config and turn on ZOOM |
| 03:44.54 | TwistedEmotions | xfce: and use gmplayer if your using xfce |
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| 03:45.56 | TwistedEmotions | !test |
| 03:45.56 | dpkg | Yes, twistedemotions, you're still online. |
| 03:46.28 | Aradorn | how do you force an umount if it says the device is busy? |
| 03:46.38 | Aradorn | umount -f dosnt seem to work |
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| 03:47.11 | shingouz | Aradorn: lsof |grep <offending device> |
| 03:47.23 | jasoncohen | does mplayer-plugin work for everyone else/ |
| 03:47.49 | TwistedEmotions | Aradorn: Samba? |
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| 03:48.06 | mrwill | christor: I really think you need to change some headers in the mail to send an html mail, not just the body of the mail. |
| 03:48.13 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: kinda... cant get streaming video to work but the rest does.. |
| 03:48.15 | Aradorn | TwistedEmotions, no... |
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| 03:48.21 | TwistedEmotions | Aradorn: kk |
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| 03:50.06 | christor | mrwill: I try to send and html page by mail |
| 03:50.35 | christor | abd I want to have the html page in the client mail with the link... |
| 03:50.39 | Guerin | Aradorn: umount -l |
| 03:52.42 | mrwill | christor: do you want the contents of the mail to be html, or html in an attachment? |
| 03:53.08 | christor | mm content |
| 03:53.27 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, ~/mplayer/.config is empty for me. how do i turn on zoom? |
| 03:53.59 | Guerin | jasoncohen: if it doesn't exist, make it. read man mplayer |
| 03:54.24 | jasoncohen | it exists- it says "write your default config options here!" |
| 03:54.41 | mrwill | christor: ok, then you'll need to change one of the headers -- Content-type: |
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| 03:55.01 | mrwill | christor: have a look at the full headers of the mail you sent unsuccessfully |
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| 03:55.42 | mrwill | christor: 'mail' can add extra headers with the '-a' option, but I don't know if that will work to change the content type. |
| 03:55.42 | starscalling | goes to bed |
| 03:56.28 | dfx | does anyone know how to reinstall GLX? In my XFree86.log file it's saying that my glx vendor is nvidia .. which might be why X isn't working |
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| 03:56.53 | mrwill | dfx: you'll probably need the nvidia drivers. |
| 03:57.09 | dfx | mrwill: I'm trying to get x working on a new ATI card |
| 03:57.18 | whm_ | i have a problem that the gpm doesn't work ,i have a usb mouse,anyone know how to solve it??? |
| 03:57.33 | dfx | mrwill: with the fglrx driver |
| 03:57.33 | mrwill | dfx: well then, you won't need the nvidia drivers, no sir, my mistake |
| 03:57.54 | mrwill | dfx: did you recently change video cards? |
| 03:58.00 | dfx | mrwill: yeah |
| 03:58.18 | mrwill | dfx: you might just try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, think that is the command. |
| 03:58.37 | dfx | mrwill: I just reinstalled x using --reinstall x-window-system .. it took about 5 seconds :) |
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| 03:59.07 | mrwill | dfx: good, but you probably need to configure it to use the new card. |
| 03:59.10 | myren | how do i edit an email i already wrote in mutt? |
| 03:59.25 | myren | i use vi for my editor, i :wq'd out of vi and got back into mutt, i cant figure out how t oedit it again |
| 03:59.48 | dfx | mrwill: I'm running through reconfiguring it now |
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| 04:00.22 | mrwill | myren: isn't there like an 'E' command or something? |
| 04:00.48 | mrwill | myren: think that gives you the mail plus the headers to edit, can't remember for sure. |
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| 04:02.40 | mrwill | myren: nah, just press 'e', that will bring up editor again. |
| 04:03.08 | whm_ | i have a problem that the gpm doesn't work ,i have a usb mouse,anyone know how to solve it???help |
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| 04:03.25 | mrwill | myren: although, 'E' does do what I thought it did, my memory is better than I thought. |
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| 04:03.53 | offroadgeek | how do I tell which version of glibc I have installed on sarge (ie. 2.2, 2.3, etc.)? |
| 04:03.53 | wdok | i want to know where can i get information about cable descrambling, im new usin irc chat |
| 04:04.11 | mrwill | wdok: you mean, like cable tv? |
| 04:04.12 | Guerin | wdok: we told you to call your cable company |
| 04:04.28 | Guerin | go and do it - they can assuredly help you descramble your cable signal. |
| 04:04.30 | mrwill | oh no, he's been here before... sheesh. |
| 04:04.43 | Guerin | offroadgeek: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 04:04.54 | m4lu7 | Hmm. |
| 04:05.04 | m4lu7 | i boot off my cd to blank this drive out, sarge cd, |
| 04:05.09 | mrwill | Guerin: I was asking on the off chance it might mean something technical that I didn't know about. |
| 04:05.11 | offroadgeek | guerin: thanks! |
| 04:05.20 | m4lu7 | execute a shell, it says hd is mounted on "/target" ... damnit all, there is no "/target" |
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| 04:05.28 | Guerin | mrwill: yeah, no, he just wants to steal cable. |
| 04:05.29 | kodek | Hi peeps. |
| 04:05.42 | kodek | Can I ask a quick question? |
| 04:05.47 | wdok | the problem is that i dont have de cable box but i do have the cable line |
| 04:05.54 | mrwill | Guerin: wonder how the heck he ended up here... except not really, I don't care. |
| 04:06.01 | kodek | I'm trying to get a remote desktop running (with vncserver) |
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| 04:06.26 | kodek | and I installed various desktops (icewm, xfce4). How could I remove them all, now that I settled with one? |
| 04:06.43 | dfx | mrwill: that didn't work ... I'm getting a lot of libdri.a and libglcore.a errors in my /var/log/xfree86.log, any ideas on how to reinstall libglcore and libdri? |
| 04:07.08 | mrwill | kodek: apt-get remove "packages you don't want" |
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| 04:07.13 | dfx | kodek: does apt-get remove work? |
| 04:07.23 | kodek | yes, it does, but there's just too many packages i have to remove |
| 04:07.24 | m4lu7 | grr. where's the bloody hard disk. arhg |
| 04:07.42 | kodek | isn't there a way to remove a package and the packages that were intsalled when i installed it? |
| 04:07.50 | mrwill | m4lu7: can't hdparm tell you what device it is, at least? |
| 04:07.51 | dfx | kodek: not that I know of |
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| 04:07.58 | linked | greetings |
| 04:08.05 | kodek | for instance, when i installed xfce4, it also installed other packages. some of them got mixed up, and I cant find them. |
| 04:08.17 | Phated | kodek: debfoster. |
| 04:08.19 | m4lu7 | mrwill, no hdparm on net inst disc, it seems. |
| 04:08.28 | dfx | kodek: unless you've got a real small hard drive, it won't hurt to leave the packages installed |
| 04:08.35 | kodek | dfx: 12 gb |
| 04:09.00 | mrwill | m4lu7: do you have some idea what kind of drive it is? the first ide drive will probably be /dev/hda |
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| 04:09.02 | linked | im experiencing a fs error on my / partition. is it possible to reinstall just to root and boot systems? |
| 04:09.11 | Guerin | wdok: no, i don't know any channels which deal in cable fraud. |
| 04:09.25 | m4lu7 | mrwill, yeah, that's where debian's been installed & working on /hda1 ... arhg. |
| 04:09.43 | TwistedEmotions | wdok: I just told you all you needed to know.. either leave or ask questions about debian. |
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| 04:09.59 | mrwill | dfx: I don't think reinstalling those packages will fix your problem. |
| 04:10.09 | kodek | Phated, I just got debfoster, would you mind pointing me to the right direction now? |
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| 04:10.28 | mrwill | m4lu7: what changed? does system not boot anymore, was that what you said earlier? |
| 04:10.45 | m4lu7 | mrwill, no no, i'm booting off my net inst disc so i can blank/zero the hard drive |
| 04:10.48 | dfx | mrwill: figures .. I've followed these instructions on getting the fglrx driver installed .. like 4 times .. even upgraded to the 2.6.11.10 kernel, which wasn't fun :) |
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| 04:10.55 | deadcat | what you guys think of this printer? http://slickdeals.net/#p6097 |
| 04:10.59 | deadcat | good quality? |
| 04:11.07 | mrwill | dfx: do you have a graphics card that other kernels did not support? |
| 04:11.08 | m4lu7 | 'cept i can't seem to find the drive on "/target", where it should be. |
| 04:11.16 | sparr__ | Why do so few Games packages provide menu hints? |
| 04:11.18 | dfx | mrwill: no, just upgrading to a better card |
| 04:11.23 | mrwill | m4lu7: so you've mounted it manually yourself? |
| 04:11.37 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, when you use mozilla-mplayer do you see a menu giving you the option to make it full screen or to save? |
| 04:11.38 | mrwill | dfx: what instructions did you follow? |
| 04:11.39 | Phated | kodek: Er, running it? |
| 04:11.44 | jasoncohen | i see one in mdk but not in debian |
| 04:11.50 | dfx | mrwill: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 04:11.52 | m4lu7 | no, i have not. mount refuses any /hda* access. very odd. |
| 04:11.55 | wdok | whois debian |
| 04:11.57 | bob2_ | haha rebates |
| 04:12.02 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How can you go wrong for 100$? |
| 04:12.12 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, i just see a black bar on the bottom where the menu would be |
| 04:12.14 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: $25 after rebate |
| 04:12.18 | bob2_ | deadcat: if it's postscript, buy it. if not, look on linux-printing.org or whatever it is |
| 04:12.22 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: then i do it. |
| 04:12.31 | sparr__ | TwistedEmotions: ive got a bridge for sale :) |
| 04:12.37 | deadcat | bob2_: cool |
| 04:12.45 | mrwill | dfx: oh my, that doesn't look good at all. I'd suggest getting rid of those packages. |
| 04:13.00 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: with mozilla-mplayer I dont see ANY controls... I just thought it was suppose to be that way. |
| 04:13.09 | dfx | mrwill: do you have better instructions? |
| 04:13.13 | jasoncohen | well, at least in mdk, i see controls |
| 04:13.16 | jasoncohen | with the same version too |
| 04:13.20 | kodek | Ok, thank you all :) |
| 04:13.22 | wdok | deborah or ian or both |
| 04:13.26 | bob2_ | deadcat: linuxprinting.org doesn't know about it, but it knows about the 1710 and 1750 |
| 04:13.27 | TwistedEmotions | wdok whois debian |
| 04:13.27 | TwistedEmotions | TwistedEmotions Debian is the operating system we all use... except you obviously.. |
| 04:13.27 | TwistedEmotions | wdok deborah or ian or both |
| 04:13.35 | TwistedEmotions | idiot. |
| 04:13.43 | TwistedEmotions | sparr__: Bridge for what? |
| 04:13.45 | mrwill | dfx: yes, use the card without 3d acceleration, because all anybody uses that for is to play games, and I'm not going to waste my time helping you play games. |
| 04:13.46 | m4lu7 | hrmm. did a "base" install, now target's there. wtf. |
| 04:13.46 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, who are you talking to? |
| 04:13.52 | bob2_ | deadcat: http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-ML-2150 |
| 04:14.12 | m4lu7 | hmm. |
| 04:14.12 | dfx | mrwill: I'll take anything I can get ... but it won't even load X in it's current state |
| 04:14.33 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: I dont see any controls either in mozilla.. cant get it to go full screen or anything.. |
| 04:14.41 | deadcat | bob2_: sounds good to me (= |
| 04:14.46 | jasoncohen | the samsung ml-1710 works fine |
| 04:14.51 | bob2_ | deadcat: can you return it if it all goes bad? |
| 04:14.57 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, i was referring to the "Debian is the operating system we all use... except you obviously." |
| 04:15.13 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: wdok |
| 04:15.19 | muwu | Hi. Does anyone have experience Asianizing Debian? |
| 04:15.31 | jasoncohen | ah, ok |
| 04:15.31 | bob2_ | muwu: er, what would that entail? |
| 04:15.37 | deadcat | bob2_: i think so. i am sick of the fucking cheap dell printer that came with my sister's machine. i have to order ink from them )= |
| 04:15.49 | bob2_ | deadcat: ah, inkjet's will kill you on ink |
| 04:15.53 | deadcat | ya |
| 04:15.55 | muwu | bob2_, changing locale to utf-8, and getting scim to work to allow me to type/view in Korean |
| 04:15.57 | bob2_ | deadcat: another option is a second hand HP laserjet |
| 04:16.06 | mrwill | dfx: well, in that case, if you've followed most of the instructions on this page, you've probably screwed things up pretty bad. you'll need to get rid of all those packages you installed, and probably the kernels you built, and anything else you changed as a result of that change. then, run the command I told you before, and pick some kind of ati driver. |
| 04:16.07 | deadcat | bob2_: i am gonna go officespace on that printer once i get the new one |
| 04:16.18 | muwu | deadcat, I recommend Epson or Canon... even $20 Epson is amazing. |
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| 04:16.22 | mrwill | dfx: er, changed as a result of that page. |
| 04:16.23 | bob2_ | those things last forever and are cheap a shit to run |
| 04:16.40 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: 17ppm 8MB ram... 250Sheets.. and above all... no more need to pen and paper ;) |
| 04:16.42 | deadcat | muwu: i like laser though. inkjet is slow and annoying |
| 04:16.51 | bob2_ | and expensive |
| 04:16.54 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cool. i am gonna ask my friend to order. |
| 04:16.57 | dfx | mrwill: right ... thanks for your help |
| 04:16.58 | bob2_ | deadcat: hae you tried refiling their cartridges? |
| 04:17.10 | muwu | deadcat, not newer ones.. I just got Canon IP3000 for like $20.. double sided printing, professional quality picture printing.. and cheap ink |
| 04:17.27 | deadcat | bob2_: nope. with what? it came with a demo cartridge |
| 04:17.36 | bob2_ | deadcat: you can just buy bottles of ink |
| 04:17.40 | TwistedEmotions | Inkjet is HORRIBLE... It's like Windows... except instead of blue screen you get paper jams... |
| 04:17.51 | toresbe | TwistedEmotions: IJ sucks now |
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| 04:17.58 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: HAHAHAHA |
| 04:17.59 | jasoncohen | did anyone here see the slashdot article about the guys who cracked RFID tags and were able to start a car/buy gas with a replicated card? |
| 04:18.01 | muwu | TwistedEmotions, true.. but not with good ones..and if you use good paper |
| 04:18.07 | jasoncohen | pretty cool stuff- they have videos as well |
| 04:18.09 | toresbe | TwistedEmotions: but they used to be the best in the business |
| 04:18.27 | TwistedEmotions | mawu: True... if you got like 300+$ then MAYBE |
| 04:18.46 | muwu | anyways, I love my Epson.. and now I am falling in love with my cheap Canon.. printed out a picture..(first time digital camera entry), and it was amazing. |
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| 04:18.53 | toresbe | jasoncohen: thanks for the tip |
| 04:19.12 | jasoncohen | toresbe, what tip? |
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| 04:19.31 | muwu | Canon IP3000 was free after rebate when I bought a cheap/good digital camera.. Epson was around $40... |
| 04:20.05 | muwu | As long as you avoid Lexmark and Dell (they just oem Lexmark), and maybe HP.. inkjets are pretty good.. |
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| 04:20.46 | m4lu7 | ahhh. fdisk /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc yeilds results. good |
| 04:21.34 | TwistedEmotions | Laserjets eat inkjets alive. Except for color... and that's only because they're too $$ for normal people to own. |
| 04:21.42 | deadcat | bob2_: oh. the review say linux supported: http://www.cnet.com.au/desktops/printers/0,39029460,40001628,00.htm |
| 04:21.51 | bob2_ | TwistedEmotions: I saw a colour laser for ~$600 the other day |
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| 04:22.06 | TwistedEmotions | bob2_: yeah.. like I said... too much for anyone to own. |
| 04:22.07 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 04:22.09 | deadcat | if debian 2.2 supports. i am on 3.1 that means atleast few years ahead of time (= |
| 04:22.12 | toresbe | http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/03/1038712938785.html?oneclick=true |
| 04:22.13 | toresbe | hahah |
| 04:22.19 | toresbe | jasoncohen: about the slashdot story |
| 04:22.44 | bob2_ | deadcat: does cnet distinguish between "the manufacturer wrote good free drivers and got distros to include it" and "there's a hidden binary blob on the manufacturers lithuanian subsidiaries website that can make the printer work with kernel 2.0.35"? |
| 04:22.54 | muwu | second thing to remember is that ink jets basically use three different technologies: 1. HP/Lexmark: disposable thermal print 2. semi-permanent head based on Piezoelectric (I could be wrong on this.. Canon) 3. permanent Piezoelectric that will last you a few decades like Epson.. Problem with Epson is it tends to clog if you don't print at least every other day.. |
| 04:23.03 | dli | how to enable auto scaling of the cpu speed? |
| 04:23.19 | bob2_ | dli: install powernowd |
| 04:23.35 | muwu | anyways, any fellow Asian plz help me out with setting Sarge to use Korean... |
| 04:24.03 | cafuego | muwu: dpjkg-reconfigure locales |
| 04:24.07 | dli | bob2_: and set cpufreq governor as "userspace"? |
| 04:24.08 | cafuego | minus the 'j' |
| 04:24.18 | bob2_ | dli: yes |
| 04:24.33 | dli | bob2_, thanks |
| 04:24.39 | muwu | cafuego, thanks.. |
| 04:25.06 | dli | muwu, apt-cache search xfonts|less , to find korean fonts |
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| 04:25.44 | deadcat | bob2_: which version of powernowd you using? i had trouble with the version 2 weeks ago. |
| 04:25.49 | cafuego | muwu: You may or may not need/want to install some console fonts that have korean glyphs. |
| 04:25.51 | muwu | dli thanks.. (changing locale... can I change to UTF -8 and display chinese/japanese/korean, without changing other applications to display in Korean? |
| 04:25.57 | bob2_ | deadcat: whatever's in ubuntu stable |
| 04:26.07 | deadcat | bob2_: oh right. forgot. (= |
| 04:26.08 | bob2_ | it's pretty damn simple, I'd be surprised if it was ever broken |
| 04:26.20 | cafuego | muwu: You can leave the default locale on ebnglish and set LANG/LOCALE in your session via ~/.bashrc |
| 04:26.29 | bob2_ | it's funny, I actually run stable now, so I don't have to worry about things breaking |
| 04:26.35 | bob2_ | I'm turning into a wuss in my old age |
| 04:26.37 | deadcat | bob2_: i think the scripts were screwed last time. so i holded it. |
| 04:26.43 | bob2_ | deadcat: ah |
| 04:26.47 | muwu | cafuego.. thank you.. :) |
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| 04:26.49 | dli | muwu, I'm not sure about utf8, I use gnome-terminal, I can choose fonts from it |
| 04:26.57 | cafuego | bob2_: Think of it as 'having better things to do than fixing needless problems' |
| 04:27.42 | bob2_ | cafuego: I could be making money fixing other people's needless problems! |
| 04:27.47 | dli | muwu, if in trouble, you may choose your language from kdm/gdm |
| 04:27.53 | bob2_ | or on #debian not getting paid to fix other... |
| 04:28.06 | Guerin | but getting karma |
| 04:28.09 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U want me to order it for you? |
| 04:28.09 | Guerin | !bob2++ |
| 04:28.12 | muwu | dli.. good idea. (right now, it seems I am using xdm :( |
| 04:28.16 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: You dont have a credit card? |
| 04:28.18 | cafuego | bob2_: Windows support doesn't pay very well and you do NOT want to work for morons who break systems because they fuck with things they don't understand. |
| 04:28.19 | Guerin | for whatever that's worth |
| 04:28.19 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: try to follow those instructions. |
| 04:28.31 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: no. i never order stuff online. i ask my friends to do it (= |
| 04:28.31 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What instructions? |
| 04:28.44 | bob2_ | cafuego: yeah, the plan is to avoid windows like the plague |
| 04:28.45 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: http://slickdeals.net/#p6097 |
| 04:28.57 | jetscreamer | there's more business fixing ms boxes than linux boxes |
| 04:29.03 | cafuego | bob2_: s/like/because it is/ |
| 04:29.08 | bob2_ | hah |
| 04:29.18 | jetscreamer | repairing |
| 04:29.25 | bob2_ | cafuego: there's a group here who want to pay me to support debian for them, instead of ubuntu with an actual company behind it |
| 04:29.28 | mrwill | jetscreamer: ah, but if the people who have ms boxes had linux boxes, they'd screw them all up them too. |
| 04:29.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: WTF are you talking about? I asked if you wanted me to buy it for you.. and what instructions? That's the page to order from.. |
| 04:29.34 | dli | muwu, I suppose scim can input Korean, but some koreans say hangul (or similiar) is better |
| 04:29.48 | jetscreamer | but it wouldn't be spyware or virii |
| 04:29.50 | cafuego | bob2_: Good! |
| 04:30.12 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you have to follow those 4 steps to make it $25. if they hvae it available ya help me order 1 (= |
| 04:30.21 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Oh.. I saw the instructions.. kk. |
| 04:30.38 | cafuego | bob2_: it's easier for them to call and abuse you than to call and abuse Ubuntu, Inc ;-) |
| 04:30.41 | mrwill | jetscreamer: maybe... I think they'd be doing the lindows thing, run everything as root... the spyware and virii could exist. |
| 04:30.47 | bob2_ | cafuego: hah, yeah |
| 04:31.01 | cafuego | bob2_: Which is where debian being rock solid comes in handy. |
| 04:31.07 | muwu | dli, really? I have only switched seven weeks ago.. and this was one of the hardest thing to do in Sarge... (only two week sarge though) |
| 04:31.22 | cafuego | bob2: I only ever get site calls these days when a hdd fails |
| 04:31.26 | m4lu7 | who'da thunk intentionally frotzing a hd would be so difficult . |
| 04:31.41 | bob2 | cafuego: hmm, yeah...I'm glad sarge has security support now, the plan of running Squiz Matrix on woody seemed too painful to contemplate |
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| 04:32.11 | dli | muwu, gnome by default would use scim, and mozilla is robust in detecting char-sets and XIM |
| 04:32.16 | cafuego | there we go |
| 04:32.22 | cafuego | happy new shiny gibson |
| 04:32.33 | jetscreamer | gibson what |
| 04:32.46 | cafuego | OpenBSD gibson.mel.cc.com.au 3.7 GENERIC#50 i386 |
| 04:32.58 | jetscreamer | oh, some 'other' gibson |
| 04:33.11 | m4lu7 | not a les paul gibson, apparently. |
| 04:33.12 | dli | muwu, generate locales, install fonts, install ime, use gnome to worry the LC, LANG, pretty n00b style startup |
| 04:33.14 | bob2 | hm, I should try openbsd for this firewall I'm supposed to setup |
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| 04:33.19 | jetscreamer | right |
| 04:33.22 | bob2 | cafuego: as in "hack the ..."? |
| 04:33.33 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you were saying you want to buy an apple for $300.. my friend bought 2 ibook 500(snow) $100 each. with airport card. )= too bad his guy dont have it no more |
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| 04:33.43 | m4lu7 | my gibson's sitting in the garage because i'm too cheap to get the neck fixed. |
| 04:33.49 | cafuego | bob2: sudo ls -la /root/.garbage |
| 04:33.50 | muwu | dli, thanks.. problem is.. I am using KDE.. not a big fan of gnome.. (too bare for my test..and if I am in mood for something bare, I would rather use icewm) |
| 04:33.53 | cafuego | bob2: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 70 May 2 00:55 Garbage File |
| 04:33.58 | deadcat | cafuego: hahahah |
| 04:34.21 | jetscreamer | i need a tuning key and one of those fret inlays |
| 04:34.28 | dli | muwu, I believe kde is rather similar to gnome, just try |
| 04:34.32 | cafuego | bob2: honeypot box :-) |
| 04:34.36 | jetscreamer | no it's not similar |
| 04:34.41 | jetscreamer | cept in functionality |
| 04:34.41 | muwu | dli, ok.. thanks.. |
| 04:34.44 | bob2 | cafuego: ahh |
| 04:34.59 | kingsley | What should be put in exim.conf so that exim will relay mail from a private network whose reply address looks like that of an ISP, without relaying mail from the ISP itself? |
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| 04:35.23 | whm_ | i have a problem that the gpm doesn't work ,i have a usb mouse!someone help me |
| 04:35.31 | cafuego | kingsley: tell it the IP range to allow relaying for. |
| 04:35.31 | jetscreamer | !gpm |
| 04:35.31 | dpkg | methinks gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 04:35.53 | bob2 | cafuego: so, you have shiny hardware, have you ever seen the kernel throw up "scsi parity errors" from a sata drive whe nthe drive itself wasnt fucked? |
| 04:36.03 | cafuego | bob2: Yep. |
| 04:36.07 | peterS | !usbmouse |
| 04:36.08 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 04:36.18 | cafuego | bob2: it's not shiny hardware btw, it's a vmware vm on WinXP. |
| 04:36.21 | m4lu7 | go dd go! fill that hd! |
| 04:36.22 | peterS | hmmm, [3] might be bad advice |
| 04:36.24 | bob2 | cafuego: bad cable? |
| 04:36.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Damn.. that sucks.. hey the coupon site is down. |
| 04:36.40 | TwistedEmotions | keep the link. |
| 04:36.42 | kingsley | cafuego: Which variable in exim.conf should have the range? |
| 04:36.46 | cafuego | bob2: bad driver. sil3112 sata controlelr issues with 2.6.8, but OK with 2.6.9 |
| 04:36.49 | TwistedEmotions | message me with it tommorow.. |
| 04:36.50 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. by the time its back up i bet the deal is gone. )= |
| 04:36.50 | m4lu7 | heehe. i know i'm going to get a call from some IBM hack tomorrow night, "What did you do to this machine!?" |
| 04:36.56 | whm_ | i see,.i will try |
| 04:36.57 | TwistedEmotions | or ill bookmark it. |
| 04:36.57 | cafuego | kingsley: No idea, I use postfix. |
| 04:37.02 | deadcat | cool |
| 04:37.05 | bob2 | cafuego: hmmm, interesting |
| 04:37.07 | peterS | whm_: besides the /dev/input/mice device, what you're probably missing is the kernel modules 'mousedev' and 'hid' (kernel 2.4) or 'usbhid' (kernel 2.6) |
| 04:37.18 | cafuego | bob2: What controller you got? |
| 04:37.29 | bob2 | cafuego: that one, I think |
| 04:37.38 | cafuego | bob2: Is it on-mobo? |
| 04:37.51 | bob2 | cafuego: yeah |
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| 04:37.55 | mrwill | bob2: you in australia, or you using squiz matrix just because it's a good idea? for that company you were talking about? |
| 04:38.00 | bob2 | cafuego: it's a shiny new ibm p4 a friend of mine bought |
| 04:38.08 | cafuego | bob2: Would it happen to have a second (raid1-able) sata conteoller? |
| 04:38.11 | cafuego | Ah ok. |
| 04:38.14 | bob2 | mrwill: I'm in .au, and I don't think it's a good idea but other people do :) |
| 04:38.29 | mrwill | bob2: ok, I'll keep that in mind. |
| 04:38.44 | bob2 | mrwill: it seems very very popular in the govt/big corp sector for some reason |
| 04:38.46 | cafuego | bob2: Well, try a new cable first... |
| 04:38.50 | TwistedEmotions | Been telling this guy for the past 30 minutes that I am going to murder him with a arkansa toothpick... jesus hes funny. |
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| 04:39.20 | deadcat | when i use hardstatus in in .screenrc, my username@hostname : path on the terminal window title thing doesnt change the pwd anymore. |
| 04:39.31 | the_freaking_pop | anyone else having trouble getting to ebay.com? |
| 04:39.32 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: try apt-get |
| 04:39.34 | bob2 | cafuego: yeah, will do...it's really shiny, it even pxe boots |
| 04:39.37 | mrwill | bob2: well, reading some of the docs, I can understand why it would appeal to people who don't know anything. |
| 04:39.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what the fuck? (= |
| 04:39.51 | cafuego | bob2: if that fails it might be time for 1) a new bios or 2) a new controller. |
| 04:39.59 | togs | when mail is sent to user@domain.com, is it Postfix which receives the mail? |
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| 04:40.10 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: That's my l33t hacking tool... fixes everything... SHHHHH... |
| 04:40.17 | muwu | tfp, nope. ebay works |
| 04:40.23 | bob2 | cafuego: hm, you'd rate both of those more likely than a dud disk? |
| 04:40.27 | bob2 | mrwill: heh |
| 04:40.38 | bob2 | mrwill: I'm also looking at zope, which, while massively complicated, seems rather cool |
| 04:40.47 | whm_ | thanks, gpm works well now |
| 04:40.49 | bob2 | togs: the MTA receives mail like that, yes, and postfix is one |
| 04:40.58 | cafuego | bob2: Not normally, but with a sil controller, who knows? ;-) |
| 04:41.05 | bob2 | hehe |
| 04:41.17 | jetscreamer | !peterS++ |
| 04:41.21 | togs | thanks, bob2. just need the clarification :) |
| 04:41.25 | peterS | thanks jetscreamer |
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| 04:41.43 | bob2 | togs: just being pedantic ;) |
| 04:41.47 | jetscreamer | !botsnack |
| 04:41.47 | mrwill | bob2: it's interesting that matrix dropped support for mysql, favoring postgre. that doesn't sound like all that bad of a decision to me. I'd never use zope, simply because I don't want to learn python, although I have heard it is well done. |
| 04:41.47 | dpkg | thanks, jetscreamer |
| 04:41.57 | togs | heh |
| 04:42.21 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: apple for sale: http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/sys/74316411.html |
| 04:42.24 | bob2 | mrwill: oh, thank god, I hate admining mysql anyway ;) |
| 04:42.56 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Will take a will till I can come up with 300 |
| 04:43.18 | cafuego | deadcat: What a usless ad. Did he mean a 233 or a 400? |
| 04:44.56 | deadcat | cafuego: heheh. craigslist people are like ebay bitches (= |
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| 04:45.26 | cafuego | deadcat: it *could* be an oldworld G3/233 with 64Mb ram |
| 04:45.48 | cafuego | or maybe even a 166, i think they did those before the wallstreet ones |
| 04:45.49 | deadcat | cafuego: damn. oldworld. )= they give me nightmares |
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| 04:45.53 | muwu | wow.. why is KDE kept getting upgraded under sarge? |
| 04:46.02 | cafuego | muwu: bug central |
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| 04:46.40 | muwu | ic.. I thought there isn't much to upgrade kde 3.3... |
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| 04:49.48 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone used nast before here? |
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| 04:50.53 | bob2 | hm, my dhcp server died |
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| 04:51.32 | jshriver | Good morning.. by chance is anyone else having problems connecting to google? |
| 04:51.43 | bob2 | no |
| 04:51.56 | dli | jshriver, where are you? |
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| 04:52.07 | jshriver | hrm.. seems to be the only website I can't access.. and I can still ping it |
| 04:52.15 | jshriver | near Pittsburgh, PA, USA |
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| 04:52.51 | jshriver | wtf.. hrm.. |
| 04:52.58 | jshriver | I can view it using lynx.. |
| 04:53.01 | dli | jshriver, I knew chinese government blocked google for quite a few times |
| 04:53.07 | jshriver | maybe firefox has some kind of hiccup |
| 04:53.19 | dli | jshriver, your browser, try another |
| 04:53.22 | jshriver | dli: why? censorship |
| 04:53.48 | muwu | hmm... hmm. installing KDM killed my mouse.. what should I do? thanks |
| 04:53.51 | agabus | anyone want to help me getting gnome 2.10 running on my sarge install? |
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| 04:54.00 | jshriver | 'k there we go.. sorry for the silly question ;) firefox was having a migraine. |
| 04:54.08 | bob2 | agabus: no, read the documentation |
| 04:54.14 | bob2 | muwu: #debian-kde |
| 04:54.24 | dli | jshriver, right, because google didn't filter its searching results, unlike yahoo at that time |
| 04:54.26 | muwu | bob2.. ok. thanks |
| 04:54.26 | agabus | bob2 - the documentation? |
| 04:54.41 | jetscreamer | there is no documentation |
| 04:55.20 | dli | jshriver, could be the pop-up blocking, something you have to choose like "open the link in a new tab/window" |
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| 04:55.39 | jshriver | perhaps, seems to be working now... |
| 04:55.40 | jetscreamer | they've found a way around popup blockers :( |
| 04:55.47 | jshriver | ? |
| 04:56.06 | jetscreamer | just mentioning that |
| 04:56.13 | dli | jetscreamer, under-pop, very annoying |
| 04:56.36 | bob2 | agabus: http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 04:56.44 | jetscreamer | now i want a poptart (true story) |
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| 04:57.16 | agabus | bob2 - thanks |
| 04:58.33 | jshriver | Anyone here see Episode 3? |
| 04:58.38 | bob2 | yes |
| 04:58.45 | jshriver | good/bad? suck as much as the first? the previews looked promising |
| 04:58.55 | bob2 | I liked it, despite wanting to hate me |
| 04:58.59 | bob2 | er, hate it |
| 04:58.59 | jshriver | lol |
| 04:59.19 | bob2 | "so this is how liberty dies...to thunderous applause" |
| 04:59.22 | jshriver | well it's the last film, so he had to do a good job to save his soul after screwing up ep1 and 2 ;) j/k |
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| 05:00.02 | jshriver | bob2: hrm, I guess it shows the end of the senate? I'm going to see it this weekend |
| 05:00.10 | bob2 | I dunno if you can save your soul after calling a (presumably) serious movie "attack of the clones" |
| 05:00.19 | bob2 | jshriver: I won't ruin it anymore than episode 4 already did ;) |
| 05:00.30 | jshriver | hehe |
| 05:00.34 | jshriver | true true |
| 05:01.03 | bob2 | is it sealab night? |
| 05:01.10 | bob2 | I wish someone here would pick that up |
| 05:01.34 | jshriver | na anime is on now... |
| 05:01.41 | Kerr | what is W95 Ext'd (LBA)? Tried mounting an old windows drive, no luck so far. |
| 05:01.44 | jshriver | I love Sealab, it's what hooked me on AS |
| 05:02.00 | jshriver | Kerr: vfat? *shrug* |
| 05:02.03 | bob2 | ahhhhh, mercury, sweetest of the transition metals. |
| 05:02.07 | bob2 | Kerr: it's a partition type |
| 05:02.13 | jshriver | Family Guy and Futurama are equally awesome |
| 05:02.16 | bob2 | Kerr: you mount whatever logical partitions are inside it, not it itself |
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| 05:02.38 | Kerr | ah |
| 05:03.03 | jshriver | fdisk /dev/hdx dont change anything but that'll show you the partitions.. |
| 05:03.15 | bob2 | or fdisk -l /dev/hdX, if you're paranoid |
| 05:03.15 | jshriver | then "mount /dev/hdx1 /mnt/whereever" |
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| 05:03.34 | jshriver | replace x or 1 with x=drive, 1= whatever partition |
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| 05:04.14 | jshriver | lol wonder if dos has support for doublespace partitions ;) |
| 05:04.20 | muwu | Hmm. installing KDM killed my mouse... so I killed kdm, and relaunched xdm... still my mouse is dead |
| 05:04.22 | jshriver | s/dos/linux |
| 05:04.33 | FrozenSpoon | Hey. I have two video cards. I used kernel option video=vesa to make /dev/fb0 run in VESA mode, however, /dev/fb1 is still running in VGA mode. How can I define what driver to use for /dev/fb1? |
| 05:04.37 | jshriver | muwu: check your XF86Config.4 |
| 05:04.49 | dli | bob2: can I use lvm to combine partitions, while still keeping my files |
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| 05:05.05 | muwu | jshriver, it seems it's unchanged.. input portions look the same.. I mean why would kdm change XF86Config.4? |
| 05:05.19 | jshriver | technically.. but lvm is rough in my oppinion.. if one thing dies it all dies |
| 05:05.20 | tonsofpcs | is there a debian live CD? |
| 05:05.28 | bob2 | tonsofpcs: no |
| 05:05.30 | jshriver | tonsofpcs: yeah Knoppix ;) |
| 05:05.35 | tonsofpcs | jshriver - lol |
| 05:05.36 | bob2 | dli: yeah, it is neat |
| 05:06.06 | jshriver | muwu: hrm *shrug* not sure... lol try rebooting? |
| 05:06.12 | tonsofpcs | is there a way to make jigdo download and create isos for Alpha chipset, or do i need to find a mirror with prebuilt isos, or do i need to disk boot for the install? |
| 05:06.25 | jshriver | is there something equivalent to lspci or lsmod but for USB? if so see if HID etc is loaded |
| 05:06.45 | bob2 | tonsofpcs: sure, jigo doesn't care what arch you use |
| 05:06.48 | bob2 | jshriver: there's lsusb |
| 05:06.57 | jshriver | tonsofpcs: hrm.. try linuxisos.com (.org, .net, etc) |
| 05:06.58 | bob2 | jshriver: but the kernel should just notice things when they get plugged in |
| 05:07.12 | agabus | bob2 - by adding those repositories and upgrading my gnome via apt-get, i'm worried about things breaking, but i have found no place for support where people have attempted to upgrade to 2.10 in sarge. |
| 05:07.29 | bob2 | agabus: yes, it will be completely unsupported |
| 05:07.34 | dli | bob2: I will try, my dell laptop has a hidden 2 GB FAT partition, kinda of fun to recover it |
| 05:07.37 | bob2 | but it will almost certainly work |
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| 05:07.55 | bob2 | dli: oh, sorry, I misinterpreted your question |
| 05:08.05 | bob2 | dli: you cannot use lvm to merge files on arbitrary partitions |
| 05:08.06 | jshriver | dli: I recommend if you have the space to cp it elsewhere, then rebuilt the drive... |
| 05:08.32 | agabus | bob2 - ow k, well i plan to; add the repositories to my sources.list, then apt-get update gnome, shall that be all i do? |
| 05:08.33 | tonsofpcs | bob2 - but how will it know i want them to be bootable on an alpha? |
| 05:08.37 | dli | bob2: I don't need to keep anything in the Dell partition |
| 05:08.40 | Kerr | jshriver, bob2: I get nothimg more than i've got sofar; /dev/hda2 155011 157916 1464624 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 05:08.46 | jshriver | bob2 what AD shows do you like besides Sealab? |
| 05:08.54 | bob2 | agabus: that won't work, you will need to manually update every package on the list on that page |
| 05:09.00 | dli | jshriver, I will format the dell partition, so it's empty |
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| 05:09.12 | bob2 | tonsofpcs: it should figure that out for itself...as someone else said ,you can just get isos, too |
| 05:09.25 | bob2 | dli: I don't know enough about thwta you're trying to do to advise you, sorry |
| 05:09.41 | bob2 | jshriver: I've only seen that, really (I'm in .au, all I see are what people in the us send me) |
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| 05:09.50 | bob2 | Kerr: nothing after hda2 on? |
| 05:10.04 | jshriver | bob2: australia or austria? |
| 05:10.06 | agabus | bob2 - ok then. doing is synaptic should be fine? |
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| 05:10.14 | tonsofpcs | bob2 - i am downloading it using an x86 box thou... |
| 05:10.34 | mynullvoid | Hi all |
| 05:10.42 | furrywolf | bob2: I think I have a dvd of .hack around here somewhere... think it was on adult swim. only downloaded it because of rumors it had a female werewolf with cute ears. :P |
| 05:10.50 | Kerr | bob2: nope |
| 05:10.57 | jshriver | hey mynullvoid |
| 05:11.13 | bob2 | jshriver: australia |
| 05:11.14 | muwu | hmm.. I think it might be because I removed udev from Sarge.. and installed usbmgr.. in that case what should I do? |
| 05:11.14 | bob2 | agabus: yes |
| 05:11.25 | bob2 | agabus: (tho it may depend on stuff from sid, which will mae things way more complicated) |
| 05:11.26 | muwu | btw, not working mouse after installing usbmgr and KDM |
| 05:11.33 | bob2 | tonsofpcs: did you tell it to build a alpha disk? |
| 05:11.40 | bob2 | furrywolf: haha |
| 05:11.43 | tonsofpcs | bob2 - how do i do that? |
| 05:11.43 | Kerr | bob2: i have /dev/hda2 /home/win vfat user,noauto 0 0 |
| 05:11.46 | bob2 | Kerr: that is quite odd |
| 05:11.51 | bob2 | tonsofpcs: I don't know, I've not used jigo myself |
| 05:11.52 | furrywolf | bob2: you're, of course, welcome to get it from me if I can find it, but you'd probably get it far faster off bittorrent. |
| 05:12.00 | Kerr | in fstab, get wrong fs type |
| 05:12.06 | bob2 | Kerr: you paste the full output of "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda" to #flood? |
| 05:12.13 | bob2 | furrywolf: heh, thanks, I might look it up |
| 05:12.22 | furrywolf | anime... I don't like anime. |
| 05:12.31 | agabus | bob2 - if it depends on stuff from sid, synaptic will tell me and i'll see about getting those packages. i will not apply any upgrades until all dependencies have been satisfied. |
| 05:12.45 | mynullvoid | I got 3 office with 3 mail server respectly (using 1 domain), how can I get so that email to be divided into this 3 mail server based on the user created in. Can I use bind to spesify whose email in which server? |
| 05:12.52 | bob2 | ah, I'm not much of an anime fan, either...aside from akiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiira. |
| 05:12.58 | bob2 | agabus: right, good luck |
| 05:13.10 | bob2 | mynullvoid: no |
| 05:13.18 | furrywolf | no clue what aki*ra is |
| 05:13.34 | mynullvoid | bob2: any way to implement this? |
| 05:14.11 | bob2 | mynullvoid: you need to either include the branch name in the email address (like foo.bar@la.domain.com, fnord.baz@sf.domain.com), or have a main machine which passes mail off to the right server |
| 05:14.37 | furrywolf | bob2: http://www.absoluteanime.com/dot_hack/ouka.htm <== why someone told me to download it. :P |
| 05:14.43 | Kerr | imo akira was groundbreaking, but weak. much prefer wolf's rain. |
| 05:14.55 | toresbe | Hrmph. Slashdot - News for Nerds. Comments by morons. |
| 05:15.03 | furrywolf | toresbe: LOL |
| 05:15.16 | mynullvoid | bob2: how do I get the main machine to passes mail off to the right server? |
| 05:15.18 | furrywolf | bob2: no clue what either of those is |
| 05:15.24 | Guerin | because that ain't an old joke |
| 05:15.26 | mynullvoid | bob2: any docs to read? |
| 05:15.43 | bob2 | mynullvoid: you have a map on the main server that says things like this: fnord.baz: fnord.baz@la.domain.com |
| 05:16.06 | bob2 | mynullvoid: one line for each user...then it will forward them on to the la.domain.com mail server, who will deliver it to the user |
| 05:16.14 | bob2 | mynullvoid: I think I'd just implement it as normal aliases |
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| 05:17.21 | agabus | whats that command i have to run on my source.list file after i've altered/updated it |
| 05:17.31 | jshriver | apt-get update |
| 05:17.32 | mynullvoid | bob2: oic, is there any other way? |
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| 05:17.57 | muwu | Hi. What's the default USB mouse device name (without udev) thanks. |
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| 05:18.40 | jshriver | /dev/input/mice |
| 05:18.45 | bob2 | mynullvoid: not really...you don't control how other people send you mail...if your address is foo.bar@domain.com, they will look up who's in charge of mail for domain.com (the MX record in DNS), then deliver the mail there. they won't go "oh, I see, this person is in LA, so let's go find the LA office mail server" |
| 05:18.55 | agabus | bob2 - its very strange that i've added those repositories, but there is nothing 'upgradeable' available |
| 05:19.10 | bob2 | agabus: right, experimental is pinned below everything else by apt |
| 05:19.16 | bob2 | agabus: you'll need to upgrade each one manually |
| 05:19.22 | muwu | jshriver. thanks.. hmm. that's the one I tried..but it seems my mouse is still dead |
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| 05:19.33 | deadcat | mwilson: whats that pager you using on your screenshot? netwmpager? |
| 05:19.38 | jshriver | muwu: try unplugging it and plugging it into another port |
| 05:19.39 | agabus | bob2 - that just confused me |
| 05:19.40 | bob2 | mynullvoid: assuming I understand what you're trying to do, that is |
| 05:19.50 | bob2 | agabus: hm? |
| 05:19.51 | jshriver | or have another mouse you can plugin to see if the previous is bad |
| 05:20.12 | mynullvoid | bob2: I was looking into solution within the bind lookup level, if possible to route the email after looking in to the dns |
| 05:20.17 | agabus | bob2 - upgrade them manually how? pinned below everything by apt? |
| 05:20.25 | bob2 | mynullvoid: how could that be possible? |
| 05:20.34 | jetscreamer | dselect lets you do it all |
| 05:20.35 | bob2 | agabus: you go to each package on the list in synaptic, and select the higher version |
| 05:20.37 | jshriver | bbiab running out for smokes |
| 05:20.48 | jetscreamer | /dev/usb/* |
| 05:20.51 | bob2 | agabus: apt does not EVER install stuff from experimental by default, you have to tell it very strictly to do so |
| 05:21.01 | mynullvoid | bob2: if only named.conf mx db able to check email address |
| 05:21.17 | agabus | bob2 - yeah thats what i've been doing, but they don't have any updates available for any of the gnome packages |
| 05:21.26 | jetscreamer | oh wrong question |
| 05:21.31 | bob2 | mynullvoid: right, and they aren't...all the people sending you mail do is look up the MX for the domain, they don't care about the left hand side |
| 05:21.46 | mynullvoid | oic |
| 05:21.58 | bob2 | agabus: "apt-cache policy gconf2", paste that to #flood |
| 05:21.58 | caojun | hello everyone |
| 05:22.24 | bob2 | mynullvoid: so, you either include location info the domain name, or you route it yourself after they send it to you |
| 05:22.41 | muwu | jshriver. done.. it seems system detects is alright.... but still no go.. |
| 05:22.53 | bob2 | mynullvoid: I'd personally go with giving people foo.bar@domain.com addresses, and route it to the write location yourself, so you can deal with people moving more easily |
| 05:22.57 | agabus | bob2 - done |
| 05:23.09 | muwu | Only change I remember doing is uninstalling udev and reinstalling usbmgr for better hotplug support |
| 05:23.27 | bob2 | agabus: there you go. if you select gconf2 in synaptic, you should have the option of 2.10. |
| 05:23.35 | bob2 | I don't know how to get that, I've never used synaptic |
| 05:23.47 | mynullvoid | bob2: yes I agree |
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| 05:24.03 | mynullvoid | bob2: so I need to have a main server |
| 05:24.09 | bob2 | mynullvoid: yeah |
| 05:24.16 | agabus | bob2 - thats what i would think aswell. but i do not have an option of upgrading that |
| 05:24.35 | bob2 | mynullvoid: one neat thing is that you can list all 3 location's mail servers as equally-ranked MX servers, and then have them route mail to each other |
| 05:24.44 | bob2 | mynullvoid: that way, 1/3rd of your mail will hit the right spot first time ;p |
| 05:25.00 | bob2 | agabus: ok, I don't know enough about synaptic, sorry |
| 05:25.08 | bob2 | agabus: you could certainly just install with apt or aptitude, tho |
| 05:25.10 | muwu | damn.. trying to fix a minor problem resulted in major downtime.. :( |
| 05:25.25 | bob2 | you actually install usbmgr? |
| 05:25.44 | mynullvoid | oic |
| 05:25.59 | muwu | bob2... yes.. as suggested here.. |
| 05:26.05 | bob2 | wow |
| 05:26.08 | mynullvoid | bob2: so now I have 2 choice, one with main server and one more without |
| 05:26.11 | bob2 | didn't htink anyone used that anymore ;) |
| 05:26.17 | bob2 | mynullvoid: yes |
| 05:26.33 | muwu | bob2, at least my sd card works as intended.... though KDE is unusable due to mouse problem. |
| 05:26.34 | mynullvoid | bob2: great then. Thanks |
| 05:26.40 | bob2 | mynullvoid: no problem |
| 05:26.44 | bob2 | muwu: that is weird |
| 05:27.47 | muwu | bob2, tried to test the mouse using gpm.. but that didn't do anything.... ah... I will try the Windows method of fixing problems (shutdown and restart).. I wil be back.. :) |
| 05:27.53 | muwu | fds |
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| 05:30.14 | muwu | As expected, windows solution doesn't usually with linux... :( |
| 05:31.02 | muwu | any ideas why usbmgr might potentially crap my mouse under Xwindows? :-? |
| 05:31.08 | Cyanophytes | kppp gives me "May 20 00:56:18 ROBERT pppd[4057]: defaultroute option is disabled" anyone know what causes this error? |
| 05:31.28 | bob2 | Cyanophytes: you already have a default route |
| 05:31.30 | bob2 | get rid of it |
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| 05:31.50 | Cyanophytes | still does it after getting rid of the default route |
| 05:32.11 | jm_ | there's an option in ppp options which tells it to set default route |
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| 05:33.54 | jm_ | it's set on pppd's command line, so put it into chat script - I don't have my pppoe config files here to figure out how it happens there |
| 05:34.16 | jair_11 | hello guys, I am trying to set up my thre ethx to different static IPs |
| 05:34.22 | jair_11 | how could I do that |
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| 05:34.33 | jair_11 | /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 05:34.39 | muwu | be back. retarting the computer |
| 05:34.39 | Cyanophytes | aha found it /etc/ppp/options contained the line nodefaultroute |
| 05:34.51 | bob2 | jair_11: just set them up in that file |
| 05:34.51 | sparr__ | wow |
| 05:34.56 | sparr__ | apt-get upgrade mozilla-browser |
| 05:35.00 | sparr__ | 172 packages to be upgraded |
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| 05:35.03 | bob2 | sparr__: that doesn't do anything |
| 05:35.07 | sparr__ | might as well just dist-upgrade |
| 05:35.08 | jm_ | ahh that makes sense, I was wondering why it's not in my options file, must be because it's very old and some entries were removed |
| 05:35.19 | sparr__ | bob2: my apt disagrees :) |
| 05:35.25 | jair_11 | bob2, but I did that and then when I run the command ifconfig eth1 the result was not the ip i assign? |
| 05:35.26 | bob2 | sparr__: you forgot to read the manpage which explains that "apt-get upgrade" upgrades all packages, and ignores any further arguments on the command line |
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| 05:35.34 | sparr__ | ahh |
| 05:35.35 | jair_11 | I am using sarge |
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| 05:35.44 | sparr__ | so whats the difference in upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 05:36.00 | stew | sparr__: use apt-get install mozilla-browser if you just want to upgrade mozilla |
| 05:36.13 | bob2 | sparr__: upgrade just upgrades versions |
| 05:36.26 | bob2 | sparr__: dist-upgrade will add/remove packages if needed to allow the upgrade of others |
| 05:36.33 | sparr__ | interesting |
| 05:36.39 | sparr__ | well, im a few weeks behind |
| 05:36.44 | sparr__ | lets see what dist-upgrade breaks this month |
| 05:36.55 | bob2 | dist-upgrade is just as safe |
| 05:37.00 | bob2 | assuming you check what apt wants to do first |
| 05:37.01 | jair_11 | if I do ifconfig eth1, it should shows me the static IP address if I configure it static correct? |
| 05:37.09 | bob2 | jair_11: yes |
| 05:37.18 | bob2 | jair_11: presumably you didn't reload the config file after editing it |
| 05:37.27 | sparr__ | Need to get 421MB of archives. |
| 05:37.29 | sparr__ | fun stuff |
| 05:37.43 | dondelelcaro | !why not dist upgrade |
| 05:37.43 | dpkg | If you're going to use apt-get dist-upgrade, when you run the command, you need to make absolutely sure that it isn't going to remove anything you actually want to have installed. If it does, use apt-get install to install specific packages that have been held back on apt-get upgrade, and only allow upgrades that don't remove things that you want. |
| 05:37.50 | jair_11 | I did that and it shows me only the mac address and other info about the eth1 but not the static IP I assign in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:37.56 | bob2 | right |
| 05:38.03 | bob2 | jair_11: 15:37:19 bob2 | jair_11: presumably you didn't reload the config file after editing it |
| 05:38.08 | jair_11 | bob2, do you mean ? |
| 05:38.13 | sparr__ | dondelelcaro: i know |
| 05:38.18 | bob2 | jair_11: sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart |
| 05:38.19 | jair_11 | bob2, ohhh |
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| 05:38.38 | sparr__ | dondelelcaro: oddly, dist-upgrade doesnt want to uninstall anything today |
| 05:38.41 | jair_11 | /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 05:38.51 | bob2 | yes |
| 05:39.24 | Cyanophytes | yay it works now |
| 05:39.26 | xydarcher | when i type 'apt-get upgrade' but it doesn't upgrade remains 139 packages not upgrade |
| 05:39.56 | bob2 | xydarcher: yes, that's the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 05:40.26 | Cyanophytes | mobile internet for my linux box |
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| 05:41.03 | togs | does postfix have any log files of it's own? |
| 05:41.17 | jair_11 | cool |
| 05:41.19 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.20 | stew | togs: no it uses the mail syslog facility |
| 05:41.27 | bob2 | oh, good point |
| 05:41.45 | xydarcher | bob2: thx, i will try dist-upgrade |
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| 05:41.56 | togs | oky |
| 05:41.58 | togs | ta |
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| 05:42.18 | muwu | Hi... so it was after usbmgr that was causing the problem.. |
| 05:42.24 | Cyanophytes | now when I get a decent laptop I will be able to use mobile internet |
| 05:42.31 | jair_11 | bob2, http://rafb.net/paste/results/MxVSwC57.html |
| 05:42.40 | jair_11 | this is how it looks right now |
| 05:42.41 | muwu | after removing it and reinstalling udev.. my mouse started working again.. |
| 05:42.48 | jair_11 | I have another adapter and is eth1 |
| 05:42.54 | busyb0ks | bob (all tech support personnel are called ¡§Bob¡¨) |
| 05:43.00 | jair_11 | bob2, I will configure it with static ok. |
| 05:43.10 | jair_11 | and then do the test |
| 05:43.26 | muwu | ah, only if udev + hotplug would manage my sd cards better than usbmgr |
| 05:43.45 | sparr__ | I use kdm to start my wm of choice. Is there any way a non-root user can make kdm run particular programs when a particular wm is selected? creating a custom ~/.kde/share/apps/kdm/sessions/openbox.desktop did not do the trick. |
| 05:43.46 | bob2 | muwu: why do you think they are broken? |
| 05:44.32 | muwu | bob2, after installing usbmgr package, my mouse stopped working in X and also according to gpm.. (of course, it could be just my hardware) |
| 05:44.47 | bob2 | muwu: no, re udev |
| 05:44.56 | muwu | bob2, going back to udev brought back my mouse back.. |
| 05:44.57 | muwu | oh.. |
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| 05:45.26 | muwu | bob2, well, I have a five in one high speed memory card reader....I mainly use for SD card reading.. |
| 05:45.35 | bob2 | yes |
| 05:45.42 | bob2 | you know that udev and hotplug aren't suppoed to mount it, right? |
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| 05:46.10 | muwu | bob2, with udev, if I remove and plug back the card the card, the udev + hotplug might be able to create a workable device name..maybe once.. after that.. it will croack.. and I will have to reboot to use it again. |
| 05:46.27 | bob2 | please file a bug |
| 05:47.01 | muwu | bob2.. ok.. first time filing a bug with sarge... |
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| 05:48.44 | togs | I can't get postfix to receive mail from anything except localhost - if I try to send mail to my domain from an outside account, ie ISP mail, it doesn't get through. Doesn't seem to matter what I do to the main.cf file. |
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| 05:49.05 | bob2 | that's unlikely to be a postfix problem |
| 05:49.12 | bob2 | how much do you know about setting up mail systems? |
| 05:49.15 | togs | ports are forwarded in router |
| 05:49.31 | togs | I've been nutting it out for about a week or so |
| 05:49.39 | bob2 | this is your first one? |
| 05:49.40 | muwu | bob2, where can I file the report? thanks |
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| 05:49.47 | togs | I got courier working this morning :) |
| 05:49.48 | bob2 | muwu: www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 05:49.52 | togs | yes, it is |
| 05:49.54 | bob2 | courier is the easy bit ;) |
| 05:49.55 | muwu | bob2, thanks. |
| 05:49.57 | bob2 | ok. |
| 05:50.05 | bob2 | so, you need a bunch of external things setup |
| 05:50.15 | bob2 | does the MX for your domain point at your home? |
| 05:50.40 | linked | hi.im experiencing a fs error on my / partition. is it possible to reinstall just to root and boot systems? |
| 05:50.50 | togs | need to check some stuff |
| 05:51.15 | bob2 | it doesn't have to be the MX...if you have your website or whatever at the same place, you can just use point the A record at your connection |
| 05:51.21 | bob2 | linked: yeah |
| 05:52.07 | togs | ah, I don't have any MX set up at dyndns.org. I see what you mean |
| 05:52.34 | bob2 | just the A record is ok if this is the only machine in the domain |
| 05:52.41 | linked | bob2:thanks. in that scenario, all packages/services will be restored, right? |
| 05:52.54 | bob2 | linked: yeah, but you'll lose all your configs and stuff |
| 05:52.59 | togs | I don't understand what you mean by a record, sorry |
| 05:53.01 | bob2 | linked: you can backup /etc/ |
| 05:53.08 | bob2 | togs: ok, so, dns is like a database |
| 05:53.21 | bob2 | togs: each domain can have different bits of data associated with it |
| 05:53.26 | togs | yup |
| 05:53.28 | linked | bob2: and just overwrite the new /etc? |
| 05:53.33 | bob2 | linked: right |
| 05:53.39 | valdyn | togs: dig <domain> will show the records |
| 05:53.47 | linked | bob2: what are the odds? |
| 05:54.04 | linked | bob2: worst case scenario that might happen? :( |
| 05:54.06 | bob2 | togs: so, one of the bits you can associate is an "A" record, which is what "host blah.com" and going to blah.com in your web browser uses |
| 05:54.15 | bob2 | linked: worset case you have to reinstall again :P |
| 05:54.33 | togs | oky, I think I follow you |
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| 05:54.38 | linked | bob2: :) backup only /etc? |
| 05:54.39 | bob2 | togs: when someone tries to send mail to you, their mail system (or their isp's) looks up the MX record for a domain...(mail exchanger) |
| 05:54.46 | bob2 | linked: is /home on a seperate partition? |
| 05:55.12 | jair_11 | bob2, nice that was the problem I had to restart the networking |
| 05:55.16 | jair_11 | that was cool |
| 05:55.20 | togs | yup, got that part |
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| 05:55.26 | jair_11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.28 | jair_11 | :) |
| 05:55.40 | bob2 | togs: if you have no MX records at all, they'll just so "ok, let's try the A record for that domain" |
| 05:55.56 | bob2 | so, you need to go to dyndns.org and make sure the A record points at your dsl.cable/whatever |
| 05:56.06 | bob2 | if you tell us the domain, we can check it., too |
| 05:56.21 | togs | threedd.com is domain |
| 05:56.25 | linked | bob2: yep. /home /var /usr are on a separate partition |
| 05:56.34 | bob2 | linked: cool, easy then |
| 05:56.45 | bob2 | linked: just make sure you don't let the installer format them :) |
| 05:56.58 | bob2 | togs: ok, so you have an A record pointing at 203.91.86.120 |
| 05:57.08 | bob2 | togs: is that where postfix lives? |
| 05:57.15 | togs | yes |
| 05:57.32 | bob2 | so, I get "no route to host" when I try to connect to your postfix |
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| 05:57.40 | togs | that actually goes to router, but the ports a forwarded |
| 05:57.58 | bob2 | hm, it looks like the forwarding is broken |
| 05:58.02 | bob2 | oh, you're in .au, too |
| 05:58.06 | linked | bob2: so that's it? just run the installation, format / (and /boot?) partition, install bare linux (w/o any packages), overwrite /etc? |
| 05:58.18 | d03boy | anyone know how to make bash not ever beep the damn internal speaker? tahst annoying as all hell |
| 05:58.21 | bob2 | linked: yup, then install whatever other packages you want |
| 05:58.26 | jm_ | d03boy: yes, many people do |
| 05:58.27 | togs | yup, .au |
| 05:58.37 | bob2 | d03boy: you can disable it with setterm, don't think it's actually a bash option, tho |
| 05:58.42 | bob2 | togs: check the port forwarding |
| 05:58.46 | togs | oky |
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| 05:59.03 | jm_ | it's a readline option - man readline |
| 05:59.19 | linked | bob2: no need to deal with chroot stuff? |
| 05:59.21 | bob2 | ah |
| 05:59.24 | bob2 | linked: right |
| 05:59.35 | linked | bob2: kinda scary :) |
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| 05:59.55 | bob2 | heh, yeah |
| 06:00.13 | togs | I've forwarded SMTP TO 25, IMAP to 143 |
| 06:00.18 | linked | bob2: well, thanks anyway :) |
| 06:00.21 | cafuego | damn jewish spam |
| 06:00.29 | togs | I'll put the box into the DMZ, just a sec |
| 06:01.04 | deadcat | how often does /var/tmp gets cleaned? |
| 06:01.06 | togs | try to connect to postfix again bob2, please |
| 06:01.19 | bob2 | togs: still nothing |
| 06:01.24 | bob2 | deadcat: never, afaik |
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| 06:01.44 | cafuego | togs: Does your ISP filter SMTP? |
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| 06:02.13 | bob2 | tcptraceroute says it terminates at eftel.ix.waia.asn.au |
| 06:02.30 | togs | I'm not sure what you mean, cafuego, I can relay stuff through it fromp ostfix ok |
| 06:02.33 | cafuego | togs: From the way imap workd and smtp doesn't, I'd say your ISP is killing incoming port 25. |
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| 06:02.45 | bob2 | togs: when you traceroute to google.com, how many hops past you is eftel.ix.waia.asn.au |
| 06:02.49 | bob2 | ? |
| 06:03.00 | togs | ok, i'll try that, bob2, one sec |
| 06:03.17 | bob2 | if it's more than one, you're being filtered |
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| 06:03.41 | bob2 | jair_11: cool |
| 06:03.57 | d03boy | set bell-style none |
| 06:04.02 | d03boy | that doesnt seem to work |
| 06:04.19 | jm_ | restart bash |
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| 06:04.31 | linked | bob2: sir, one more things. after installation, i need to mount the old partitions to their previous mountpoints right? |
| 06:04.38 | cafuego | bob2: there's a hop in between eftel.ix and togs. |
| 06:04.39 | bob2 | linked: right |
| 06:04.41 | togs | i did a tracert from my windows box - what I'm on now. that entry didn't come up at all |
| 06:04.53 | bob2 | cafuego: oh, duh me, I can check that |
| 06:04.56 | d03boy | what man file can I look up to restart bash/ |
| 06:04.57 | bob2 | right |
| 06:05.01 | cafuego | togs: eftel are rejecting in coming connections from the net at large to port 25 on your link. |
| 06:05.13 | jm_ | logout and login again, or close the terminal and start a new one |
| 06:05.22 | d03boy | ok... |
| 06:05.24 | bob2 | linked: which ies easy, since you have /etc/fstab backed up :) |
| 06:05.31 | cafuego | togs: So you can't receive mail on your local machine. |
| 06:05.33 | togs | can you tell if that's just me or everyone with my ISP? |
| 06:05.40 | mwilson | jm_: You know that's not going to make the bell stop. |
| 06:05.43 | bob2 | togs: it's almost certainly your whole isp |
| 06:05.44 | cafuego | togs: Probably everyone. |
| 06:05.50 | togs | ok |
| 06:05.59 | bob2 | togs: you can ask them to lift it |
| 06:06.01 | togs | so a mail server is no go at all? |
| 06:06.02 | linked | bob2: do i just mount them right away, or do i have to rename the new, say /var to another name? then create a new /var then mount my old partition? |
| 06:06.16 | mwilson | jm_: That's just going to stop readline from using the bell. |
| 06:06.17 | bob2 | togs: but they'll probably say "here, pay 3 times as much for a business account" |
| 06:06.23 | cafuego | togs: The only way around it is to 1) make them unblock it or 2) find a remote smtp server that can forward mail to you on a different port. |
| 06:06.24 | togs | I'm not supposed to be hosting any class of a server on this DSL plan, I don't think |
| 06:06.26 | bob2 | linked: you can mount it over the top, too |
| 06:06.33 | jm_ | mwilson: yes, that's what he wants |
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| 06:06.39 | deadcat | mwilson: you got netwmpager to work? i get the stupid error when make |
| 06:06.47 | cafuego | togs: How much eftel charging you and what plan are you on? |
| 06:06.50 | linked | bob2: oh, sorry. wat's that again? |
| 06:06.59 | mwilson | deadcat: "the stupid error" is entirely non-descriptive. |
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| 06:07.12 | togs | one sec, Ill check cafuego |
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| 06:07.29 | deadcat | mwilson: make: *** /tmp: Is a directory. Stop. |
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| 06:08.03 | mwilson | deadcat: Sounds like you downloaded a damaged tarball or something. Never saw that before. |
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| 06:08.13 | cafuego | their 1.5Mbit is about on par with Internode |
| 06:08.25 | binskipy2k5 | stupid question , anyone see me typing? |
| 06:08.25 | deadcat | mwilson: well. theres only one tarball on the site |
| 06:08.28 | bob2 | hm, I should switch isps |
| 06:08.29 | bob2 | binskipy2k5: no |
| 06:08.33 | binskipy2k5 | thanks |
| 06:08.34 | muwu | bob2, I sent the report, using bugreport... it says if has sent the report using "sendmail" but I don't remember setting this up.. does it mean i have a preconfigured e-mail server? thanks. |
| 06:08.36 | bob2 | $150.month for dsl is kinda silly |
| 06:08.40 | binskipy2k5 | i'm in a channel but no one's responding at all |
| 06:08.42 | togs | plan is "eDSL Freedom" |
| 06:08.43 | binskipy2k5 | just wondering if i'm seen |
| 06:08.44 | cafuego | bob2: shit, i pay half that |
| 06:08.48 | bob2 | muwu: if you didn't set it up, but it's unlikely to work |
| 06:08.53 | bob2 | cafuego: 1.5mbit/s, soho |
| 06:09.11 | muwu | bob2.. shoot.. |
| 06:09.12 | bob2 | muwu: "tail -f /var/log/mail.log", do you see your mail? |
| 06:09.19 | cafuego | bob2: 1.5/256 home here |
| 06:09.24 | cafuego | with 30GB |
| 06:09.28 | bob2 | cafuego: if they had adsl2+ dslams here, I'd be paying less for 10 times the bandwidth |
| 06:09.38 | pentium451 | mepis is quiet |
| 06:09.44 | muwu | bob2, nope.. |
| 06:09.47 | cafuego | bob2: My agile dslam will be installed around september. |
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| 06:09.49 | togs | Looks like the cost has come down from 79 to 45 |
| 06:09.53 | bob2 | cafuego: bah. |
| 06:09.57 | cafuego | iinet have one already, but they suck |
| 06:10.03 | bob2 | hah |
| 06:10.11 | deadcat | mwilson: 1.4 works |
| 06:10.14 | cafuego | togs: How much do you estimate you download per month? |
| 06:10.17 | bob2 | probably go back to 512 when I move |
| 06:10.25 | togs | I can check that :P |
| 06:10.30 | agabus | whats this talk of iinet and broadband? i'm with iinet |
| 06:10.37 | cafuego | agabus: they suck |
| 06:10.47 | agabus | how so? |
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| 06:11.01 | togs | so far it's up tp 4G, but I was getting a couple ISOs |
| 06:11.04 | muwu | Is it hard to setup sendmail? |
| 06:11.09 | togs | it's usually a lot less |
| 06:11.15 | myren | how do i get mutt to automatically spool mail from /var/spool/mail/[me] into my inbox? |
| 06:11.17 | bob2 | muwu: no |
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| 06:11.29 | linked | bob2: er, sorry. wat do u mean with 'mounting over the top' |
| 06:11.30 | bob2 | muwu: you can just tell reportbug to use your isp's email address, tho |
| 06:11.32 | agabus | cafuego - why do they suck? |
| 06:11.32 | cafuego | togs: Then you can probably get a better deal with another isp (one that allows you to run a server, too) |
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| 06:11.41 | myren | i have my spoolfile at /var/spool/mail/[me], but then mutt doesnt browse my inbox |
| 06:11.42 | bob2 | linked: you can mount your old /var over the top of the new /var |
| 06:11.43 | cafuego | agabus: their dns/routing is horribly broken |
| 06:11.45 | muwu | bob2, good idea.. |
| 06:11.55 | jm_ | myren: it does that by default |
| 06:11.57 | togs | yeah, I reckon i could to |
| 06:11.57 | bob2 | myren: set the MAIL environment variable |
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| 06:12.13 | jm_ | myren: man page will tell you where it looks for it by default |
| 06:12.14 | cafuego | togs: www.whirlpool.net.au <-- have a perv around :-) |
| 06:12.28 | mwilson | deadcat: Hm, v1.5... I'm still using v1.4 |
| 06:12.29 | togs | bottom line for mail is that it's not possible without using a third party SMTP server or getting the port block lifted? |
| 06:12.36 | bob2 | togs: yes |
| 06:12.40 | cafuego | togs: indeed. |
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| 06:12.45 | bob2 | togs: other mail servers will only ever try to deliver to port 25 |
| 06:12.46 | togs | bugger |
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| 06:13.27 | deadcat | mwilson: ya. 1.4 just built. whats the advantage of netwmpager? compare to say bbpager. why you netwmpager+fspanel, whynot just fbpanel |
| 06:13.29 | linked | bob2: geez, silly me. another thing. why is it that when im mounting /var, i need to explicitly specify -t ext3? unlike in my other partition which i can mount w/o the -t flag? |
| 06:13.33 | togs | ah well |
| 06:13.51 | togs | Will have a gander at whirlpool, thanks guys |
| 06:13.51 | bob2 | linked: the kernel will guess some types correctly |
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| 06:14.00 | bob2 | it will probably guess ext2 for that partition |
| 06:14.09 | cafuego | togs: if you have a domain, i can host a 3rd party smtp forwarder for you, if you want. |
| 06:14.22 | pentium451 | linked: do you have an /etc/fstab entry? |
| 06:14.40 | togs | I have a domain |
| 06:14.45 | cafuego | togs: I have a hosted box in brisbane that does it for a friend in holland too. |
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| 06:14.55 | linked | pentium451: sounds like it has something to do w/ my fstab? |
| 06:14.57 | AntisocialHero | I'm guessing this wouldnt be the place to ask about a router problem would it? it is however effecting my torrents, and ssh |
| 06:15.13 | pentium451 | linked: there is a field for fstype |
| 06:15.22 | cafuego | togs: okay, if you're interested, /msg me and I'll set it up for you. |
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| 06:15.42 | linked | pentium451: ok, ill double check it. thanks |
| 06:15.48 | linked | bob2: thanks again |
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| 06:16.01 | togs | thanks guys |
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| 06:16.10 | bob2 | linked: no problem |
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| 06:21.53 | deadcat | mwilson: how do you make the pager bigger? |
| 06:23.11 | AntisocialHero | crtl-+ |
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| 06:24.33 | dawne | well i got the sound working on here...now im wondering, do i need to have one of these 'sound daemons'? like esound or artsd? do i need these only if running X? |
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| 06:25.55 | myren | you shouldnt really need them at all |
| 06:26.09 | dawne | really? well what use are they? |
| 06:26.24 | myren | some sound cards wont mix multiple audio channels together by themselves; the daemons do that job |
| 06:26.27 | myren | but, |
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| 06:26.46 | lindi- | dawne: they allow you to send audio over network too |
| 06:26.48 | myren | alsa also has its own facility for that. its called dmix. just run dmix. its not that hard to set up. |
| 06:27.09 | liable | dawne: btw congrats, was it hard? |
| 06:27.14 | dawne | ohhh allright, thanks guys |
| 06:27.26 | myren | if you want to use a sound daemon, i suggest polypaudio (the ubuntu package works fine, but dont let #debian know i mentioned that). its just "better". |
| 06:27.31 | dawne | liable: haha thanks, it was simple! |
| 06:27.39 | liable | heh |
| 06:27.41 | myren | its esd/estound compatible |
| 06:27.41 | dawne | myren: lol |
| 06:27.47 | dawne | allright |
| 06:28.11 | myren | damnit, 21 and i'm going bald already. :/ |
| 06:28.28 | AntisocialHero | O.o |
| 06:28.33 | dawne | liable: all i had to do was update kernel (apt-get install kernel-initrd-blah), change lilo, modprobe isa-pnp, modprobe sb, then it all worked out :) |
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| 06:28.52 | myren | TMI? |
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| 06:28.57 | d03boy | what command will decompress .zip files? |
| 06:29.04 | myren | unzip. apt-get install unzip |
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| 06:29.31 | dawne | myren: TMI? whats that? |
| 06:29.36 | myren | too much information? |
| 06:29.37 | TwistedEmotions | gnite guys. |
| 06:29.43 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Done with finals? |
| 06:29.43 | myren | nighty-o |
| 06:29.47 | dawne | lol ohhh i see |
| 06:29.54 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: 1 tomorrow and 1 on mon. (= |
| 06:30.09 | TwistedEmotions | 1 tommorow and 1 wensday.. |
| 06:30.16 | rob_out | myren: if my card does not support hardware mixing (I can only currently have one app using the soundcard), will polypaudio mix for me? I'm currently using alsa if that helps any. |
| 06:30.21 | TwistedEmotions | my damn computer final is on wensday.. |
| 06:30.28 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: cool. hehe. i have to study later hahaha |
| 06:30.33 | TwistedEmotions | later |
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| 06:30.40 | bob2 | if it's called "computer", it can't be that hard |
| 06:30.52 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: but i am playing with netwmpager (= |
| 06:31.05 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: Dude... it's hardcore.. |
| 06:31.09 | myren | rob_out: it will, but alsa will mix too with dmix. i'd suggest dmix. |
| 06:31.15 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: what's it about? |
| 06:31.32 | myren | i should bench alsa & polyp for their mixing. |
| 06:31.44 | myren | deadcat: isnt that dangerous? |
| 06:31.49 | myren | deadcat: what WM are you using? |
| 06:32.13 | myren | how many windows must continue to DIE for your experiments!!! |
| 06:32.26 | deadcat | myren: openbox |
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| 06:32.39 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: General computer science.. you have to know some CRAZY shit.. like <body>HTML.</body> and.. uhh... that RAM stands for Random Access Memory.. and that Fiber Optic is faster then DSL/Cable which is faster then Dialup. |
| 06:32.40 | deadcat | hehe. |
| 06:32.44 | linked | bob2: having an fsck.ext3 error on /, tried booting on a live cd then manually fsck'ing /dev/sda2 (wc is /) returns no error ('clean'). what should i do? |
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| 06:32.51 | myren | ah, me too. whats with all these nutty openbox users today? openbox stopped devel didnt it? |
| 06:32.58 | myren | did they at least get mostly done before they stopped devel? |
| 06:33.02 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: wow, better go hit the books! |
| 06:33.03 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: I think I just wrote the final for that class... hahaha |
| 06:33.16 | deadcat | myren: we are starting a revolution |
| 06:33.22 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: Ohh..! and you have to know what CACHE IS! |
| 06:33.29 | bob2 | oh wow |
| 06:33.31 | furrywolf | heh. I had to proctor tests for a class like that once. so many students were cheating that they had to call in extra teachers to wander around the room. cheating in a class where those were the HARD questions. |
| 06:33.33 | TwistedEmotions | yeah |
| 06:33.35 | deadcat | myren: new management (= |
| 06:33.42 | bob2 | linked: does booting now work? |
| 06:34.00 | myren | tell me more, tell me more. |
| 06:34.06 | linked | bob2: after restarting? nah |
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| 06:34.23 | TwistedEmotions | gnite guys |
| 06:34.58 | myren | fsck, i've got mucho shit to do for tomorrow. |
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| 06:35.32 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions_: thats it (=. and i am using a sickass theme: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/ |
| 06:35.42 | MidgetSpy | hey guys, what is the command I use to reconfigure (and restart) my xserver? I just installed a new graphics card |
| 06:35.53 | bob2 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:36.15 | myren | i wish i had a laptop with enough spare cpu to run wmhdplop & torsmo. |
| 06:36.45 | furrywolf | also had HARD questions like "which of the following would be a low-cost color printer? inkjet, laser, dye sublimination, electrophotographic" and "a font that is darker than normal is a) bold, b) itallic, c) underlined, or d) blinking". |
| 06:36.49 | MidgetSpy | thanks bob |
| 06:36.52 | dawne | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.55 | MidgetSpy | then restart... gdm? |
| 06:37.14 | deadcat | myren: wmhdplop? |
| 06:37.22 | furrywolf | and people cheated on it! why would anyone cheat on that basic of a test?! |
| 06:37.22 | MidgetSpy | bob2: is there a way to get it to auto-detect the card (like it did when I installed debian)? |
| 06:37.34 | bob2 | MidgetSpy: yes, run that |
| 06:37.46 | myren | what is wrong with me, why does my (digital) mouth (i.e.: fingers) keep moving? deadcat, you're the new dev for ob? |
| 06:37.59 | MidgetSpy | bob2: ah, it's asking me for the name/driver manually... ah well |
| 06:38.06 | deadcat | myren: hells no |
| 06:38.08 | myren | wmhdplop is badass, dockapp that shows paging & hd activity. |
| 06:38.20 | bob2 | MidgetSpy: it should select the right one and wait for you to confirm it |
| 06:38.24 | furrywolf | for the final, we had to check IDs, because apparently on the miderm half the students had someone else show up to take their test for them... |
| 06:38.37 | deadcat | myren: oh.. wm... |
| 06:38.49 | MidgetSpy | bob2: it didn't... oh well |
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| 06:39.09 | myren | i wish i were cool enough to have terminals all over my root window |
| 06:39.26 | myren | and had a xinerama fetish |
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| 06:40.23 | myren | alright, sleep. yay. |
| 06:40.34 | furrywolf | I don't like how icewm handles xinerama, so I run as two screens... |
| 06:40.39 | deadcat | myren: one thing i notice netwmpager is that when i max a window, it goes under the netwmpager. |
| 06:40.50 | nunez | where can I find the mplayer codec for .wmv? |
| 06:41.05 | myren | furrywolf: check out synergy, it'll let you move the mouse & keyboard between the two screens (even if they're on different computers) and do copy paste |
| 06:41.07 | furrywolf | nunez: the link directly under the link to download the mplayer source? |
| 06:41.19 | furrywolf | myren: I already do that. x2x. :) |
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| 06:41.59 | myren | ah, cool. i run syneryg since its cross platform. my laptop automtically hooks itself up to my 3-monitor desktop. ;) |
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| 06:42.03 | nunez | furrywolf, on mplayer's website? |
| 06:42.12 | togs | hey bob2, with my ISP blocking the port 25 inbound, that'd be to protect against spammers using the server as a relayer, wouldn't it? |
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| 06:42.37 | myren | togs: and to keep you from running a mail server |
| 06:42.52 | furrywolf | myren: I used to use two boxes with x2x, but I'm thinking of moving to one dual-head box... right now I have one dual-head box and the other box with x2x, for a total of three screens... I only have two monitors though, so there's a phantom screen in the middle I can't see. :) |
| 06:43.00 | bob2 | togs: that'd be their argument, yeah |
| 06:43.11 | togs | yeah, I found that out just about ten min ago thanks to #debian, myren :) |
| 06:43.11 | bob2 | togs: it's also so you have to pay way more for a business account to run a smtp server |
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| 06:43.19 | togs | oky |
| 06:43.32 | Delph | because no home user would want to... wait. |
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| 06:44.55 | furrywolf | I do my mail on my redwoodvirtual UML... |
| 06:45.03 | bob2 | I use linode |
| 06:45.53 | xydarcher | why does apt doesn't use multi-sources to get? |
| 06:45.59 | furrywolf | I would prefer xinerama, so I could move windows around, but I don't know of a WM that does it the way I want it. I might have to just hack icewm myself... |
| 06:46.00 | bob2 | it does |
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| 06:46.21 | myren | what is this UML...? not UML the case tool |
| 06:46.30 | bob2 | user-mode-linux |
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| 06:46.38 | furrywolf | user-mode-linux. i.e. a virtual linux box. |
| 06:47.27 | furrywolf | that reminds me; mine's long overdue for an update;upgrade. |
| 06:47.28 | dawne | whats the command to add a user to another group? |
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| 06:47.50 | Agrajag- | dawne: adduser |
| 06:48.08 | dawne | adduser does that? oh allright O.o |
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| 06:48.14 | myren | Linnode is pretty cool, never seen that before. Still not the best bargian though... |
| 06:48.20 | xydarcher | why does apt doesn't use multi-sources to get files? single source is too slow to download |
| 06:48.41 | jm_ | then get a better connection |
| 06:48.47 | bob2 | xydarcher: it does |
| 06:48.54 | furrywolf | linnode is also a UML host, no? |
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| 06:49.04 | jm_ | bob2: in parallel? |
| 06:49.15 | bob2 | it doesn't download more than one file from the same server simulatenously, because that would be stupid |
| 06:49.19 | bob2 | but it gets from all servers at once |
| 06:49.21 | myren | colocation is only like $150-$200 with a decent pipe |
| 06:49.22 | bob2 | furrywolf: yes |
| 06:49.50 | furrywolf | myren: I pay $14/month for a UML linux (virtual machine, basically), 2gb disk, 20gb bandwidth, and not one, or two, but THREE static IPs. |
| 06:50.09 | myren | and you pay for the nose for ram on Linnode |
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| 06:50.19 | bob2 | cpu is the main issue on linode |
| 06:50.34 | toresbe | furrywolf: that ain't bad |
| 06:50.46 | furrywolf | 64mb ram, 64mb swap... if I wanted 128mb ram and 128mb swap, that would be $20/month, and I'd also get 4gb disk and 40gb bandwidth upgrade. :) |
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| 06:50.56 | xydarcher | bob2: how to make it use? i modified the source.list and add two ftp server in it , but nothing different |
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| 06:51.08 | myren | bob2: yeah, i looked at contention ratio and went straight to 15:1 before i even looked at any of the other informations. thats alreayd $60/mo |
| 06:51.13 | k-man | when did they add the make deb-pkg to the kernel compile? |
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| 06:51.17 | k-man | its very cool |
| 06:51.18 | furrywolf | the three IPs are nice |
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| 06:51.30 | bob2 | k-man: 18 months or so ago |
| 06:51.36 | jm_ | k-man: quite a while ago |
| 06:51.39 | k-man | wow |
| 06:51.43 | k-man | i wish someone told me |
| 06:51.48 | k-man | oh well, i know now :) |
| 06:52.04 | jm_ | there was some discussion about it some two or three months ago, not sure what the issue was |
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| 06:52.19 | myren | alright, really, sleep now. goodnight all. |
| 06:52.34 | furrywolf | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 227261660 May 20 06:52 mail.info |
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| 06:53.23 | furrywolf | to gzip these, I'd need to gzip them, then restart anything using that log to make the disk space actually get freed, right? |
| 06:53.43 | bob2 | right |
| 06:53.50 | bob2 | but only sysklogd should be using it |
| 06:54.14 | furrywolf | I have ~2gb of logs... |
| 06:54.25 | pureone | what module does VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6105 [Rhine-III] (rev 8b) use ? |
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| 06:55.02 | k-man | i think someone should write a program that makes it easy to manage upgrading kernel source |
| 06:55.11 | bob2 | they have |
| 06:55.14 | k-man | something like apt-get install the latest kernel source |
| 06:55.14 | bob2 | it's called "Debian" |
| 06:55.22 | deadcat | pureone: install hwinfo, then run hdinfo --all |
| 06:55.22 | jm_ | furrywolf: doesn't logrotate handle that? |
| 06:55.26 | k-man | no, it seems to lag behind the kernel versions |
| 06:55.41 | furrywolf | jm_: somehow mine never get rotated... and I'm too lazy to figure out why. :) |
| 06:56.12 | pentium451 | do you leave it shut down |
| 06:56.15 | jm_ | furrywolf: well it's started at odd hours, so if your box is down at that time it will never be called |
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| 06:56.28 | pentium451 | or use anachron |
| 06:56.33 | jm_ | 6.25AM |
| 06:56.36 | jm_ | yeah, anacron might help |
| 06:56.38 | furrywolf | jm_: it's my redwoodvirtual uml, with 99% uptime... |
| 06:56.44 | dawne | do music cds not use iso9660 or something? or is it possible that some cd drives (mine?) dont support music cds? |
| 06:57.00 | bob2 | dawne: of course, they have no filesystem at all |
| 06:57.08 | furrywolf | dawne: or more likely, some CDs are intentionally broken such that they don't work in your drive. |
| 06:57.11 | jm_ | furrywolf: then it perhaps lacks logrotate in crontab jobs |
| 06:57.39 | furrywolf | it's a standard debian testing install, and I haven't changed it, so it's whatever debian does by default. :P |
| 06:57.55 | dawne | bob2: ah yea that was a dumb question...well im having trouble playing cds :/...too many programs to do it anyway lol |
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| 06:58.02 | jm_ | odd, Debian does this by default - see /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd and logrotate etc. |
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| 06:58.35 | tarzeau | helix: bom dia |
| 06:59.18 | pentium451 | dawne: when I upgraded to 2.6.x I had to remove SCSI emulation from the boot line. |
| 06:59.46 | furrywolf | hrmm, cpu on my UML seems a bit bogged down... bzip2 has only outputted 2mb or so of syslog... |
| 06:59.58 | furrywolf | must be busy; usually there's a lot more cpu for the taking. |
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| 07:00.02 | pentium451 | and ya, there are WAY too many cd playing apps !!!! |
| 07:00.22 | furrywolf | pentium: welcome to linux |
| 07:00.40 | sep | pentium451, dawne: it's nice to have a few to choose from :) |
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| 07:01.09 | nunez | whats the default directory for mplayer's codecs with a apt-get? |
| 07:01.09 | furrywolf | any relation to pentium7_912? :) |
| 07:01.09 | dawne | pentium451: ah nevermind i got it, had to close KDE, /dev/dsp was locked by a sound daemon i guess...yea its nice to have a choice but still sheesh, there are a LOT |
| 07:01.09 | linked | hi. is it ok to change my fstab and set the filesystem check for / to 0 (no-check)? |
| 07:01.16 | Delph | linked: depends if you like errors or not. |
| 07:01.35 | dawne | scratch that, still isnt working |
| 07:01.35 | sep | linked: why would you even consider that ? |
| 07:02.28 | sep | dawne: and you get what kind of error message ? |
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| 07:02.30 | pentium451 | Oh, yeah, I don't use KDE... and that was one reason. |
| 07:02.32 | dawne | ahk now that i think about it...i think even windows didnt manage to play musics cds with this dang drive, what a piece of junk...like 20x lol |
| 07:02.43 | Solet-deb | how can i tell which dhcp client i use and how do i change its settings? |
| 07:02.45 | dawne | sep: no error, just doesnt play...it THINKS its playing lol |
| 07:02.49 | linked | sep: boot errors, it complains on fsck error on /dev/sda2 (/) tried booting on a live cd and manually running fsck on that partition and it was clean |
| 07:02.58 | sep | dawne: are you sure the internal audio cable from the cd-rom is connected ? |
| 07:02.58 | bob2 | dawne: does "cdparanoia -Bzv" start ripping the cd? |
| 07:03.02 | furrywolf | dawne: is your audio cable connected from the cdrom to your sound card? |
| 07:03.08 | bob2 | Solet-deb: you're using dhclient, /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 07:03.10 | furrywolf | try using xmms with digital audio extraction |
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| 07:03.28 | dawne | ahhhh lots of answers...and no, it may not be :X...ill check it |
| 07:03.53 | dawne | oh and bob2: dont have cdparanoia installed |
| 07:04.00 | furrywolf | bob2 knows all. bob2 knows what you keep in that box under your bed.. |
| 07:04.02 | bob2 | dawne: then install it |
| 07:04.09 | sep | dawne: in debian any package is just a apt-get away |
| 07:04.17 | bob2 | dawne: furrywolf and I are trying to figure out if the drive is screwed or if it's just not plugged into your sound card |
| 07:04.26 | d03boy | any? |
| 07:04.33 | d03boy | i wouldnt quite say that |
| 07:04.38 | dawne | crap its not plugged in lol...where the hell did i put that cord! |
| 07:04.56 | Solet-deb | bob, that file doesnt exist... so i imagine that i use something else... |
| 07:04.57 | sep | d03boy ?? |
| 07:05.02 | furrywolf | dawne: if you use xmms, one of the default plugins will rip the audio digitally, and you don't need the cable... |
| 07:05.12 | bob2 | Solet-deb: ls -ld /etc/dh* |
| 07:05.37 | dawne | furrywolf: oh cool thanks, still want the cable though...bugs me ya know lol |
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| 07:06.02 | furrywolf | none of mine have cables. :P |
| 07:06.03 | Solet-deb | no such dir |
| 07:06.30 | dawne | lol i may have thrown it away :/... |
| 07:06.37 | liable | hehe |
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| 07:07.07 | dawne | i had no idea that was what the cord was for...well i learned something today :P |
| 07:07.26 | furrywolf | you learned... if you don't know what it is, don't throw it out? :P |
| 07:07.32 | Solet-deb | er bob never mind... i found it... there was now / at the front |
| 07:07.37 | dawne | furrywolf: haha yep exactly |
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| 07:08.32 | furrywolf | typically that falls under the "common sense" category. :) |
| 07:09.56 | furrywolf | you should be able to get one cheaply... chances are any computer store has a bucket of them. |
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| 07:10.40 | wew | halo |
| 07:10.41 | Solet-deb | bob2: i read the manpage but i cant find what i'm looking for, how can i set the 'name' of this machine that is passed to the router? |
| 07:10.47 | dawne | lol i agree...ehk there are no good computer stores around here...all they sell are..computers! no parts or anything :/...i need a new drive anyway, this is like 20x |
| 07:10.55 | bob2 | Solet-deb: with dhclient3 it's easy |
| 07:11.26 | furrywolf | dawne: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42304&item=5125914098&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V <== just in case you need a bucket of them. :) |
| 07:11.28 | Solet-deb | i have dhclient... i dunno about a "3" |
| 07:12.32 | dawne | furrywolf: oh cool thanks...i forgot ebay rules lol |
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| 07:14.21 | furrywolf | that auction is $35 for 100 cables... should give you an idea what they cost. :) |
| 07:15.20 | furrywolf | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31492&item=6769978363&rd=1 <== 10-pack for $3... |
| 07:15.26 | Solet-deb | bob2:what is the difference between dhclient and dhclient3?: |
| 07:15.34 | bob2 | one apparently has usefu lconfig files |
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| 07:16.26 | Solet-deb | bob2: do they opperate the same |
| 07:16.27 | dawne | furrywolf: woah nice, gotta remember my ebay u/n lol...aghhh |
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| 07:16.40 | bob2 | they're just dhcp clients |
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| 07:16.49 | furrywolf | dawne: there's two types of plugs sound cards tend to have; make sure you get the right ones for your box. |
| 07:16.57 | Solet-deb | my script is built to work with dhclient, pump, or dhcpcd |
| 07:17.13 | bob2 | what script? |
| 07:17.15 | dawne | furrywolf: hmmm okay will do |
| 07:17.33 | Solet-deb | craig's acx100 start_net script for acx100 wifi cards |
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| 07:19.02 | deadcat | last time i used acx100 you dont need a script. just iwconfig |
| 07:19.26 | liable | Solet-deb: cant you just change the dhcp client line? |
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| 07:19.38 | Solet-deb | deadcat: i spent a month fighting with that fucking card... i got it to work using the script... and thus shall continue to use thie script |
| 07:19.46 | Solet-deb | its just for bringing it up and down.... |
| 07:19.49 | liable | hehe |
| 07:20.14 | Solet-deb | laible: thats what i'm asking do all dhcp clients work the same? |
| 07:20.21 | Solet-deb | will the script talk to them correctly? |
| 07:20.23 | liable | whats wrong with interfaces file and ifup/down? |
| 07:20.35 | furrywolf | bah. bzip2 has unpy spit out 3mb of bz2's logs so far... someone must be seriously hammering the cpu on the physical host my uml is on. I'll check it tomorrow. bbl, sleep. |
| 07:20.44 | furrywolf | s/unpy/only |
| 07:20.50 | deadcat | Solet-deb: i spent like few hour. and it worked well. no script needed. linux-wlan-ng on the on the other hand... |
| 07:21.19 | Solet-deb | liable: fiik but craigs script makes it work and thats all that matters |
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| 07:21.32 | liable | Solet-deb: read the script, it prolly just cals the client, should be ok, paste the script maybe? |
| 07:21.45 | Solet-deb | liable: its long |
| 07:21.48 | furrywolf | solet: a) that's not nice, and b) what are you doing on my bed? |
| 07:21.59 | dawne | lol |
| 07:22.18 | Solet-deb | furrywolf: wouldnt you like to know *eyebrows move a little* |
| 07:22.32 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 07:24.03 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep |
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| 07:24.15 | dawne | sleep is good, have fun |
| 07:24.24 | Solet-deb | i cant find the deb for dhclient3 |
| 07:24.42 | Solet-deb | apt-get install dhclient3 didnt work and apt-cache search dhclient3 didnt return anything at all |
| 07:24.47 | bob2 | !+find bin/dhclient |
| 07:24.49 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 07:25.14 | liable | Solet-deb: dhcp3-client |
| 07:25.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dhclient' (3): (/sbin/dhclient3) in net/dhcp3-client ;; (/sbin/dhclient) in net/dhcp-client,net/dhcp3-client ;; (/usr/lib/fai/sbin/{dhclient-perl|dhclient-script}) in admin/fai. |
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| 07:26.32 | HansZ | Hm.. i'd like to get rid of xdm.. however x-window-system depends on it |
| 07:26.37 | tarzeau | !nodm |
| 07:26.37 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 07:26.39 | HansZ | Is it safe to delete them both? |
| 07:26.43 | tarzeau | HansZ: add -core |
| 07:26.45 | tarzeau | HansZ: yes |
| 07:26.50 | HansZ | tarzeau, ok |
| 07:27.03 | tarzeau | meta packages can be removed without them removing its deps |
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| 07:27.12 | HansZ | right :/ |
| 07:27.13 | tarzeau | and x-w-s is one such pkg |
| 07:27.15 | jm_ | what happens if you use aptitude? |
| 07:27.20 | tarzeau | i have no idea |
| 07:27.41 | tarzeau | it wouldn't surprise me if it screwed up, as it's got no super cow powers |
| 07:27.54 | HansZ | heh |
| 07:27.55 | jm_ | it has tetris powers instead ;) |
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| 07:28.14 | jm_ | wait minesweeper, not tetris |
| 07:28.20 | tarzeau | that's so boring |
| 07:28.25 | tarzeau | even sokoban in nethack is more fun |
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| 07:28.35 | HansZ | xdm is so buggy.. |
| 07:28.39 | tarzeau | HansZ: no way |
| 07:28.45 | tarzeau | HansZ: gdm is buggy |
| 07:28.47 | HansZ | tarzeau, it is |
| 07:28.54 | tarzeau | gdm is way more broken than xdm |
| 07:28.57 | tarzeau | HansZ: like what? |
| 07:29.00 | manas | where do you put the list of users who will be using nessusd? |
| 07:29.07 | caphuso | HansZ: which bug number are you refering to? |
| 07:29.14 | tarzeau | manas: /usr/share/doc/nessus* |
| 07:29.19 | Solet-deb | am i still alive here? |
| 07:29.23 | HansZ | tarzeau, it doesn't save the pidid in the file he needs |
| 07:29.24 | manas | tarzeau: tnx |
| 07:29.24 | caphuso | Solet-deb: no |
| 07:29.33 | Solet-deb | cool thats good to hear |
| 07:29.46 | tarzeau | HansZ: woody? |
| 07:29.58 | HansZ | tarzeau, sarge |
| 07:29.58 | dawne | yay cdparanoia is cool |
| 07:30.09 | tarzeau | dawne: why? |
| 07:30.29 | HansZ | I prefer to bashburner |
| 07:30.31 | dawne | ummmm...cuz it works! |
| 07:30.33 | manas | tarzeau: nothing there on my deb system |
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| 07:30.51 | dawne | bashburner? never used, whats better about it? |
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| 07:31.35 | HansZ | It's completly text-based, doesnt use much cpu usage.. it doesn't crash randomly.. it works! |
| 07:31.46 | HansZ | And can even burn iso images :) |
| 07:32.12 | dawne | hmmm...sounds good for my crappy computer lol...must try it |
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| 07:32.23 | Solet-deb | ok so which part of this conf file for the dhcp3-client do i change to give my computer a 'name' to tell the router? i'm guessing lease {; option host-name "tsukasa"; }; ? |
| 07:32.32 | tarzeau | HansZ: so does cdrecord, no? |
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| 07:32.53 | HansZ | tarzeau, bashburner is easier |
| 07:32.55 | dawne | HansZ: whats the package name anyway? are there .debs for it? |
| 07:33.05 | HansZ | dawne, I'm not sure |
| 07:33.15 | dawne | ah ill search then, thanks |
| 07:33.17 | tarzeau | HansZ: what package is that in? |
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| 07:33.26 | liable | Solet-deb: did you actually read the dhclient.conf man page? |
| 07:33.40 | HansZ | dawne, tarzeau: there aint a debian package for it seems it to be |
| 07:33.50 | tarzeau | HansZ: that sucks |
| 07:33.58 | caphuso | i don't think something called bashburner exists |
| 07:34.00 | HansZ | tarzeau, yea, it's good enough to be in debian package list |
| 07:34.00 | Solet-deb | liable looks the same as it did before i changed to 3 |
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| 07:34.10 | tarzeau | HansZ: homepage? |
| 07:34.17 | caphuso | google doesn't find it, freshmeat doesn't know about it, sourcefource is clueless |
| 07:34.21 | HansZ | tarzeau, I'm searching for it |
| 07:34.34 | togs | bob2, can I pm you a sec? |
| 07:34.40 | dawne | jeez everyone's so hostile |
| 07:34.49 | bob2 | togs: ok... |
| 07:34.52 | liable | Solet-deb: well, dunno about dhcp3's one, but for dhcp client one, theres an example in it to show how to set host name |
| 07:35.03 | HansZ | weird.. it's completly gone |
| 07:35.11 | tarzeau | HansZ: it must've sucked badly |
| 07:35.15 | dawne | lol |
| 07:35.16 | caphuso | so whatever it is, it's hardly worth looking for. better use one of the cd burning frontends with support and a user community instead |
| 07:35.16 | Solet-deb | can you paste it to me cause i sure as hell didnt see it... |
| 07:35.25 | HansZ | tarzeau, lol.. nah it was good |
| 07:35.33 | tarzeau | HansZ: yeah that's why it still exists |
| 07:35.41 | dawne | oh well, stickin with cdparanoia for now then |
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| 07:35.49 | liable | Solet-deb: at the bottom, the big example |
| 07:35.56 | HansZ | tarzeau, I think it does.. however my memory is bad |
| 07:36.06 | llama32 | other than windows and buttons, what is the next most important widget? im thinking text entry boxes... |
| 07:36.20 | liable | Solet-deb: its in the bloody config file too :) |
| 07:36.21 | tarzeau | llama32: sliders |
| 07:36.36 | tarzeau | llama32: we call them "controls" in GNUstep |
| 07:36.40 | liable | Solet-deb: the send host name bit |
| 07:36.50 | Coke | tarzeau: somebody uses GNUstep? |
| 07:36.54 | tarzeau | Coke: alot! |
| 07:37.02 | tarzeau | Coke: see debian.ethz.ch/webalizer/ |
| 07:37.07 | dawne | jeeez huge wav files cdparanoia comes up with...any wav2mp3 things? |
| 07:37.12 | llama32 | tarzeau: do u mean like the draggable bars with up/down buttons? what good are they with only windows/buttons? |
| 07:37.17 | tarzeau | dawne: jack i think |
| 07:37.25 | Solet-deb | liable: i can leave EVERYTHING else commented except the send host-name part right? cause i want EVERYTHING else to be default. |
| 07:37.40 | tarzeau | llama32: look at www.linuks.mine.nu/displaycalibrator/ for example |
| 07:37.41 | HansZ | tarzeau, dawne: sorry for advicing about something that doesn't even exist.. |
| 07:37.46 | liable | Solet-deb: try it, I havent actually done it |
| 07:37.50 | dawne | tarzeau: thanks |
| 07:37.57 | cahoot | dawne: ogg is the politically correct way |
| 07:37.58 | dawne | HansZ: haha nah thanks anyway |
| 07:37.58 | Coke | tarzeau: what's that stats for? |
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| 07:38.14 | incorrect | is there a package to provide XWhois.pm? |
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| 07:38.17 | HansZ | dawne, :), i'll keep searching.. it exists for sure |
| 07:38.24 | dawne | cahoot: whats so good about ogg, i've been wondering? and why is it 'politically correct'? |
| 07:38.47 | doleyb | dawne: mp3 is patented, so legally, the owner could stop you from using it. |
| 07:38.48 | dawne | HansZ: haha ok, hopefully your not just losing ur mind :P |
| 07:38.51 | DaFresh | anyone know how can i change the dd max file size ? |
| 07:38.52 | tarzeau | Coke: look at how many times the gnustep live cd was downloaded |
| 07:38.58 | HansZ | dawne, I think i already did :/ |
| 07:39.00 | dawne | ohhhhh...never knew that |
| 07:39.02 | Delph | dawne: it's not patent encumbered, it's better at lower bitrates than mp3. |
| 07:39.02 | Coke | tarzeau: oh. |
| 07:39.03 | Solet-deb | it wont let me write to the file :( |
| 07:39.04 | dawne | lol hansz |
| 07:39.05 | DaFresh | it seams to be limited at 2Gb |
| 07:39.14 | liable | Solet-deb: as root |
| 07:39.17 | tarzeau | Coke: more than 7000, since february 2005 |
| 07:39.22 | llama32 | tarzeau: ahh ok, perhaps that would be it... |
| 07:39.28 | HansZ | brb changing local ip.. |
| 07:39.35 | caphuso | oggs are also fairly useless :-( |
| 07:39.54 | cahoot | caphuso: but correct |
| 07:40.03 | tarzeau | llama32: scrollers also are important |
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| 07:40.04 | dawne | useless? why? |
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| 07:40.11 | Coke | tarzeau: so, how does GNUstep do against GTK and Qt? |
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| 07:40.16 | doleyb | the problem with oggs is you can't put them on ipod clones |
| 07:40.20 | tarzeau | Coke: fantastic |
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| 07:40.35 | tarzeau | Coke: besides GNUstep has some objects that gtk and qt completely are missing |
| 07:40.36 | Delph | doleyb: apart from iRiver merchandise |
| 07:40.42 | dawne | oh yea i figured you'd say that...meh, cant afford anything like that anyways lol |
| 07:40.46 | HansZ | Anyways.. how to define a static ip at startup? |
| 07:40.46 | PerfDave | doleyb: There are about 8 billion portable players with Ogg Vorbis support. |
| 07:40.49 | Solet-deb | it worked |
| 07:40.54 | PerfDave | !vorbis hardware |
| 07:40.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, vorbis hardware is http://wiki.xiph.org/VorbisHardware |
| 07:41.04 | tarzeau | Coke: namely the FoundationKit (NSString, NSDate, NSObject, NSNumber and the like) |
| 07:41.08 | dawne | woah |
| 07:41.13 | caphuso | dawne: too damn hard to find something that plays them. once you go away from clumsy computers, you're pretty much out of luck |
| 07:41.30 | PerfDave | The iPod is one of the few things that *doesn't* support Vorbis, and that's an overhyped, DRM-addled piece of shit anyway :) |
| 07:41.44 | tarzeau | Coke: gnustep is not so fixated onto linux as gnome and kde are |
| 07:41.48 | doleyb | PerfDave: no there aren't. i own the very first one to do ogg. |
| 07:41.48 | dawne | caphuso: yea like i said, cant afford any portable things though :( |
| 07:41.48 | cafuego | bob2: crumbs? |
| 07:42.00 | liable | Solet-deb: remove dhcp3 cause it says in apt-show, that it conflicts with dhcp-client |
| 07:42.01 | Coke | tarzeau: I checked out GNUstep several years ago, but it was totally unfinished then |
| 07:42.04 | tarzeau | s/fixated/obsessed/ |
| 07:42.05 | PerfDave | doleyb: Uhm, dude, check the list. There are *loads* |
| 07:42.15 | tarzeau | Coke: yes, it improved vastly over the last several years |
| 07:42.20 | Coke | tarzeau: and I've been using GTK2 becaue Qt wasn't as extensible. |
| 07:42.24 | Delph | doleyb: the very first ipod to do ogg? |
| 07:42.26 | tarzeau | Coke: you should try the gnustep in sarge, apt-get install gnustep |
| 07:42.37 | tarzeau | Coke: you develop graphical applications? |
| 07:42.44 | Solet-deb | ]liable i already removed dhcp-client |
| 07:42.45 | Coke | tarzeau: yeah, because GTK2 and Gnome are two of the most bloated and stupendious libraries I've seen. :) |
| 07:42.46 | tarzeau | Coke: and got Mac OS X too? then GNUstep is it |
| 07:42.49 | Delph | wasn't there a dodgy firmware hack for a while which let you play oggs on ipods? |
| 07:42.52 | liable | ok |
| 07:42.53 | tarzeau | Coke: full ack |
| 07:43.02 | Delph | plus or minus running out of memory. |
| 07:43.03 | PerfDave | Delph: iPod Linux will let you play Ogg Vorbis at ~80% of realtime |
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| 07:43.25 | Delph | dere you go |
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| 07:43.37 | Coke | tarzeau: I try to stay away from all sorts of GUI crap (love the CLI), but unfortunately my work (and the rest of the world, it seems) demand GUI apps. |
| 07:43.37 | tarzeau | Coke: you use emacs? |
| 07:43.40 | PerfDave | But you could just buy a real portable player and not give your money to the Other Microsoft ;) |
| 07:43.41 | Coke | tarzeau: yep |
| 07:43.53 | tarzeau | Coke: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ i packaged Emacs.app :) |
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| 07:44.10 | Coke | tarzeau: neet. but, do you know GTK(2) ? |
| 07:44.12 | tarzeau | Coke: seen these? www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 07:44.22 | tarzeau | Coke: yes i know their absoluetly raped file selector box |
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| 07:44.54 | yahalom | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:44.55 | tarzeau | since gtk2 it feels as cumbersome as windows xp |
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| 07:45.14 | caphuso | yahalom: xev |
| 07:45.21 | Coke | tarzeau: generally speaking, GTK2 is overly complicated and totally unintuitive. |
| 07:45.25 | yahalom | caphuso, ah that is. thanx :) |
| 07:45.34 | Coke | tarzeau: and GNOME kicks the idiocy up a knotch |
| 07:45.37 | tarzeau | Coke: yet people write applications using it |
| 07:45.47 | tarzeau | Coke: i agree with you |
| 07:45.54 | PerfDave | Qt for evah! ;) |
| 07:46.00 | dawne | ahhh its like 3:45am...got to go to school in 2 hours :P...must get a shower, later everyone and thanks |
| 07:46.00 | tarzeau | PerfDave: that's just as cumbersome |
| 07:46.09 | PerfDave | tarzeau: *grins* |
| 07:46.09 | HansZ | VNC you are such a buggy retard! |
| 07:46.17 | tarzeau | HansZ: use remote x, then |
| 07:46.22 | Coke | tarzeau: yes, because there are now so many support libraries, macros and code generators to cover up any problems GTK2 might have posed. |
| 07:46.29 | HansZ | tarzeau, gonna kick vnc's ass first |
| 07:46.36 | PerfDave | tarzeau: I'll be having a play with it when I get round to doing some GUI coding. |
| 07:46.40 | xydarcher | i have some trouble with environment variables in debian |
| 07:46.52 | _demon | hi all. anyone can explain why x-window 4.3.0 from debian-testing don't work with languages other than english? It just don't draw symbols, which I type in xterm or other apps. But in mozilla it draws. |
| 07:46.52 | tarzeau | PerfDave: don't miss looking/using gorm |
| 07:46.59 | Coke | tarzeau: but I have to tell you, the screenshots you sent of the openstep... openstep looks like crap. :) visually. |
| 07:47.14 | jm_ | hehe |
| 07:47.18 | tarzeau | Coke: that's only because your display gamma isn't calibrated |
| 07:47.19 | xydarcher | for example, CLASSPATH haven't been add in after JRE is installed |
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| 07:47.23 | Coke | tarzeau: you can really tell a programmer designed the interface. |
| 07:47.27 | tarzeau | Coke: it looks much better with a properly calibrated display |
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| 07:47.42 | tarzeau | Coke: it was an expensive designer, and it's far better than mac os x, if you ask me |
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| 07:47.59 | Coke | no, no, seriously. it looks like a 34-year old virgin living in his moms basement type of programmer design. |
| 07:48.02 | tarzeau | Coke: it doesn't distract you from your work with colors (giving you eye cancer) |
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| 07:48.11 | tarzeau | or miniature icons that nobody can tell what it's supposed to do |
| 07:48.12 | Coke | hehe. |
| 07:48.13 | Coke | ok. |
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| 07:48.27 | tarzeau | yeah like a mature sexy woman! |
| 07:48.47 | Ry12 | what is a non fat filesystem which supports rw in freebsd and linux |
| 07:48.48 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Come on, most things are far better than Mac OS X visually :) |
| 07:48.50 | Coke | I agree that icons do nothing to clarify, even if design people would have you beleive that. I think it's a conspiracy. The media whores tell people they need icons to understand, while in fact they just confuse. |
| 07:49.02 | tarzeau | PerfDave: certainly kde and gnome aren't |
| 07:49.23 | PerfDave | tarzeau: That's a matter of opinion. I think KDE shits all over OS X. |
| 07:49.42 | Ry12 | what is a non fat filesystem which supports rw in freebsd and linux |
| 07:49.48 | bob2 | cafuego: words amuse me |
| 07:49.48 | tarzeau | !repeat Ry12 |
| 07:50.00 | tarzeau | !tell Ry12 about repeat |
| 07:50.22 | Ry12 | tt |
| 07:50.26 | tarzeau | !tt |
| 07:50.26 | dpkg | i guess tt is Type Theory, about the purest form of functional programming in existence, every program carries its own proof of correctness and termination., but ask me about truetype |
| 07:50.31 | _demon | !help repeat |
| 07:50.37 | Ry12 | lol |
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| 07:50.58 | _demon | !tell _demon about repeat |
| 07:51.23 | Ry12 | so no such fs exists..? |
| 07:51.29 | liable | _demon: you can just msg the bot |
| 07:51.29 | tarzeau | Ry12: i can't think of any |
| 07:51.55 | _demon | liable: ok, thanks |
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| 07:52.33 | Ry12 | whats this mean #freebsd You need to be identified to join that channel |
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| 07:52.41 | tarzeau | Ry12: /msg nickserv help |
| 07:52.43 | PerfDave | Ry12: You need to register with nickserv |
| 07:53.06 | PerfDave | Not having a - or escape key is sucking :) |
| 07:53.18 | HansZ | isn't raw encoding.. no encoding? |
| 07:53.32 | tarzeau | HansZ: of what? |
| 07:53.35 | yahalom | whoever here uses xfce, what fm do u use? |
| 07:53.41 | HansZ | tarzeau, I can define that in VNC |
| 07:53.41 | tarzeau | yahalom: mc |
| 07:53.46 | Eclipser | fm? what's that? |
| 07:53.49 | tarzeau | !fm |
| 07:53.49 | dpkg | Freshmeat -- lots of projects here: http://freshmeat.net, or the Fucking Manual (which one must Read) |
| 07:53.51 | yahalom | tarzeau, mc? |
| 07:53.57 | PerfDave | File manager? |
| 07:53.59 | tarzeau | dpkg fm is also file manager |
| 07:53.59 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 07:54.02 | yahalom | Eclipser, file manager |
| 07:54.03 | tarzeau | !mc |
| 07:54.03 | dpkg | i guess mc is Midnight Commander, a file browser for GNU. Monaco |
| 07:54.07 | Eclipser | I don't use a file manager :) |
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| 07:55.04 | yahalom | tarzeau, just mc? apt-get install mc? |
| 07:55.14 | not | how could I check what speed an ethernet adapter is connected at? |
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| 07:55.46 | Eclipser | yahalom, yes |
| 07:55.58 | yahalom | Eclipser, thanx |
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| 07:56.20 | jm_ | not: mii-diag, ethtool, logs |
| 07:56.31 | Eclipser | not, dmesg | grep ethX :) |
| 07:56.49 | not | thanx eclipser |
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| 07:57.21 | not | eth0: RealTek RTL8139 Fast Ethernet at 0x1000, IRQ 11, 00:10:a7:08:03:ef. |
| 07:57.21 | not | eth0: Promiscuous mode enabled. |
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| 07:57.27 | not | what does promiscuous mode mean? |
| 07:57.27 | Ry12 | has anyone had any experience with ufs write support |
| 07:57.45 | Eclipser | !dict promiscuous |
| 07:57.47 | dpkg | Dictionary 'promiscuous' (2): A wild, where weeds and flowers promiscuous shoot. --Pope. ;; Promiscuous \Pro*mis"cu*ous\, a. [L. promiscuus; pro before, in place of, for + miscere to mix. See Mix. ] 1. Consisting of individuals united in a body or mass without order; mingled; confused; undistinguished; as, a promiscuous crowd or mass.. |
| 07:57.50 | dondelelcaro | not: that your interface is promiscous, and open to experimentation with any packet that comes its way |
| 07:59.55 | not | dondelelcaro: is it better I turn it off and how can I do it.. cause right now it keeps doing "eth0: Promiscuous mode enabled. device eth0 entered promiscuous mode device eth0 left promiscuous mode" over and over again |
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| 08:00.58 | Ry12 | !help IIRC |
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| 08:01.56 | xydarcher | hello? |
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| 08:02.46 | xydarcher | is there anyone have experience about installation about sun-jvm |
| 08:02.52 | Solet | yeah for freenode not masking ip's... (just noticed that) |
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| 08:03.01 | _demon | not: 1. hackers. 2. check your crontabs or any other scheduler. |
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| 08:03.42 | Eclipser | !anyone |
| 08:03.42 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 08:03.58 | Eclipser | xydarcher, specify the problem maybe?-p |
| 08:04.08 | HansZ | !HansZ |
| 08:04.15 | HansZ | :. |
| 08:04.17 | Eclipser | !tell xydarcher about java-package |
| 08:04.19 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 08:04.30 | HansZ | !me |
| 08:04.30 | dpkg | somebody said me was the most important person in the whole world!! |
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| 08:05.03 | HansZ | dpkg-- |
| 08:05.12 | Solet-deb | if me ist the most important i wonder about |
| 08:05.13 | Solet-deb | !i |
| 08:05.13 | dpkg | [i] the imaginary unit, the square root of -1 and other nifty things, or the chemical symbol to iodine and a personal pronoun together with me, my and myself, or roman numeral for 1, or the letter between h and j, or commonly used as an iteration counter, or rapidly becomming the most tacked-on factoid. used as a block index in much of the rsync code |
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| 08:05.28 | sgmihai | ok, i just installed sarge and chose to install packages from the cdrom. how do i change the apt-get behaviour to get them from the internet ? |
| 08:05.43 | PerfDave | apt-setup |
| 08:05.45 | Solet-deb | apt-source |
| 08:05.46 | Eclipser | apt-setup |
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| 08:06.04 | toresbe | apt-setup |
| 08:06.11 | folden | apt-setup |
| 08:06.12 | HansZ | !apt-setup |
| 08:06.12 | dpkg | hmm... apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. |
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| 08:06.43 | sgmihai | why is gnome the default ? :( |
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| 08:06.52 | Solet-deb | because gnome pwns |
| 08:06.57 | Eclipser | umm, there's no default? |
| 08:06.59 | pureone | not : www.chkrootkit.org or apt-get install chkrootkit, then run "chkrootkit sniffer" it will show the pids of all packet sniffers running on the box |
| 08:07.07 | HansZ | Solet-deb, then you've never seen Windowmaker :) |
| 08:07.18 | pureone | dhcp clients turn up as packet sniffers sometimes |
| 08:07.23 | PerfDave | sgmihai: The default what? If you choose the "desktop environment" task you should get KDM and KDE, which is Good, Right and Proper, rather than some inferior DE like Gnome. |
| 08:07.24 | Solet-deb | hanz cant say i have |
| 08:07.25 | sgmihai | i thought kde pwns |
| 08:07.34 | KerPlunk | How can I seach a text file for the \ char? |
| 08:07.49 | PerfDave | grep \\ file ? |
| 08:08.00 | sgmihai | no, i was greeted at startup with a graphical login, put in my user name and pass and gnome showed up |
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| 08:08.10 | Eclipser | !start desktop manager war |
| 08:08.18 | Eclipser | wah? :< |
| 08:08.24 | PerfDave | sgmihai: You poor bastard! |
| 08:08.41 | HansZ | !windowmanager |
| 08:08.42 | dpkg | somebody said windowmanager was a program that manages windows in the X Window System and allows users to move and resize them. |
| 08:08.47 | toresbe | sgmihai: uhm, there is no default in Debian. |
| 08:08.50 | PerfDave | Imagine being thrown into Gnome when you were expecting a DE :) |
| 08:08.50 | HansZ | !xserver |
| 08:08.54 | tarzeau | sgmihai: gnome is NOT the default |
| 08:08.56 | HansZ | hah owned y00 |
| 08:09.05 | tarzeau | PerfDave: perverted! |
| 08:09.05 | HansZ | tarzeau, there ain't any default.. |
| 08:09.08 | Eclipser | sgmihai, you obviously installed gnome :) |
| 08:09.11 | toresbe | sgmihai: You might have installed Ubuntu :P |
| 08:09.14 | tarzeau | HansZ: *i* know |
| 08:09.21 | HansZ | tarzeau, k :) |
| 08:09.37 | tarzeau | !ubuntu |
| 08:09.37 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story" |
| 08:09.39 | PerfDave | Last time I tried, if you select the "desktop environment" task in the installer, you get KDM and KDE as defaults. |
| 08:09.47 | sgmihai | no, i just selected desktop enviroment during setup, and i got both gnome and kde, but gnome was selected first for starting |
| 08:09.48 | tarzeau | PerfDave: and gnome and kde! |
| 08:09.52 | tarzeau | PerfDave: it's so sick! |
| 08:09.55 | sgmihai | i'm in kde right now, thanks god |
| 08:10.10 | tarzeau | sgmihai: that's just as ugly |
| 08:10.13 | HansZ | sgmihai, congrats.. you saved the world again! |
| 08:10.15 | Eclipser | I can't stand kde :) |
| 08:10.16 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Yes, imagine trashing a perfectly good box by sticking Gnome on it! :) |
| 08:10.18 | tarzeau | HansZ: haha |
| 08:10.18 | shingouz | sgmihai: i'm not, thanks $DEITY ;) |
| 08:10.37 | tarzeau | PerfDave: imagine your harddisk has not enough space. after hours tasksel/ debian installer fails |
| 08:10.59 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Yeah, my last box only had a 2Gb hard drive ;) |
| 08:10.59 | tarzeau | PerfDave: tasksel rapes innocent users |
| 08:11.06 | HansZ | woot.. I currently only use 26% of my 4GB hard-drive |
| 08:11.14 | HansZ | xD |
| 08:11.23 | Eclipser | I have 51% :< |
| 08:11.24 | PerfDave | tarzeau: It does. Netinstalling using tasksel for the Desktop Environment task, over ADSL... took all night! |
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| 08:11.46 | Eclipser | tasksel... never used it :) |
| 08:11.48 | HansZ | I just love big harddrives |
| 08:11.52 | Eclipser | aptitude all the way! |
| 08:12.15 | toresbe | heh |
| 08:12.16 | toresbe | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.19 | toresbe | We use Tikiwiki at work, my boss still thinks it's one of the Teletubbies, but hey at least we're using it. |
| 08:12.22 | Solet-deb | Eclipser: you were cool cause you hate kde.... but if you use aptitude you just lost cool points... |
| 08:12.37 | toresbe | Is CO^2 lighter or heavier than air? |
| 08:12.44 | PerfDave | toresbe: Heavier |
| 08:12.45 | shingouz | heavier |
| 08:12.47 | HansZ | Same |
| 08:12.51 | pureone | :-/ |
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| 08:13.04 | PerfDave | Which is why if you pour fizzy drinks you can see the CO2 cascading down. |
| 08:13.07 | sypher | hey guys, someone here ever have installed a shared address book with openldap ? cuz i got some qeustion about that thing ... |
| 08:13.08 | Solet-deb | toresbe: depends, 'air' is very vague;..... |
| 08:13.10 | bob2 | I've always wanted an all-caps mit hostname |
| 08:13.15 | Eclipser | Solet-deb, well, give me a better apt frontend then... it's not that I use aptitude very often anyway, apt-cache/get usually :) |
| 08:13.25 | PerfDave | sypher: There was a thing about it on linux.com yesterday |
| 08:13.26 | toresbe | Solet-deb: Not in a chemical sense, really |
| 08:13.29 | toresbe | PerfDave: thanks |
| 08:13.30 | Solet-deb | depends on what the 'air' you are talking about is mad of... and at what elivation |
| 08:13.45 | HansZ | PerfDave, is it perfectdave or pervertdave :> |
| 08:13.50 | PerfDave | HansZ: Yes |
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| 08:13.55 | Solet-deb | eclipser: fuck front end its all about apt-get |
| 08:13.59 | Solet-deb | thats all i use :P |
| 08:14.01 | HansZ | PerfDave, ok Pervert |
| 08:14.08 | sgmihai | why does sarge use xfree86 and is it better than xorg ? |
| 08:14.16 | Solet-deb | i'll use dselect to install the os but from then on its pure apt-get |
| 08:14.17 | tarzeau | sgmihai: yes. yes. |
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| 08:14.28 | Eclipser | debian doesn't have xorg yet |
| 08:14.31 | HansZ | sgmihai, why do we exist |
| 08:14.37 | sgmihai | where is the xfree86 config ? |
| 08:14.39 | toresbe | sgmihai: It does for fairly good reasons, and no it most definately isn't |
| 08:14.41 | Solet-deb | HansZ: why not? |
| 08:14.51 | HansZ | Solet-deb, ;) |
| 08:14.52 | toresbe | sgmihai: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 08:14.58 | Sebkoukai | bonjour a toutes et a tous/hello somebody i'm french sorry for my bad english |
| 08:15.03 | Solet-deb | sgmihai: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 08:15.04 | toresbe | !french |
| 08:15.04 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 08:15.07 | toresbe | Sebkoukai: :) |
| 08:15.11 | HansZ | !dutch |
| 08:15.11 | dpkg | it has been said that dutch is soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
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| 08:15.26 | toresbe | hee |
| 08:15.27 | tarzeau | sgmihai: http://www.apt-get.mine.nu/woody-holycow.jpg |
| 08:15.27 | Eclipser | haha |
| 08:15.37 | HansZ | Jaay i'm the only one in #debian.nl! |
| 08:15.38 | HansZ | WOOT |
| 08:15.42 | toresbe | fortunately he hasn't been here for ages. |
| 08:15.44 | HansZ | HAX HAX OMG CHEATER WALLHACK |
| 08:16.03 | tarzeau | !CAPITAL LETTERS |
| 08:16.10 | tarzeau | !CAPS |
| 08:16.10 | dpkg | Do not type whole lines/nicks in caps. It's bloody annoying and will make people not want to answer you. |
| 08:16.10 | HansZ | !LOWERCASE |
| 08:16.10 | dpkg | methinks lowercase is for F in *; do mv $F `echo $F | tr A-Z a-z` ; done |
| 08:16.26 | bob2 | chill fokls |
| 08:16.26 | Eclipser | :) |
| 08:16.33 | HansZ | tarzeau, my whole line wasn't in caps |
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| 08:16.34 | tarzeau | won't that fail for files with white spaces? |
| 08:16.43 | HansZ | tarzeau, look there's space between the characters |
| 08:17.05 | bob2 | come on |
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| 08:18.21 | Solet-deb | jesus... the bot said it makes people not want to respond... but he got like 8 responses |
| 08:18.28 | Solet-deb | talk about selfdefeating |
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| 08:18.53 | caphuso | dpkg: no, lowercase is for F in *; do mv "$F" "`echo $F | tr A-Z a-z`"; done |
| 08:18.53 | dpkg | caphuso: okay |
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| 08:19.20 | Solet-deb | shit... i just had a yogurt shake in my hand now i cant find it |
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| 08:19.30 | coywolf | i want to write a script, i have many files in the patern foo-????, i want to rename them into bar-????, any idea? |
| 08:19.39 | HansZ | Solet-deb, whereis yogurt-shake |
| 08:19.43 | Guerin | coywolf: man rename |
| 08:19.44 | bob2 | coywolf: man rename |
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| 08:20.04 | Guerin | HansZ: did you get your sound working again? |
| 08:20.10 | coywolf | Guerin, bob2 thanks |
| 08:20.11 | HansZ | Guerin, hey! how are you doin |
| 08:20.21 | HansZ | Guerin, yea it works again lol |
| 08:20.25 | Solet-deb | Guerin: you';ll have to speak up he cant here you |
| 08:20.26 | Solet-deb | :P |
| 08:20.33 | Solet-deb | oh nvm guess he can... damn |
| 08:20.34 | sgmihai | so tell me how can i get a text terminal when i start debian instead of the graphical login interface ? |
| 08:20.41 | Guerin | HansZ: doing dandy - got vodkamelonpineapplemon slushies, we're good to go |
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| 08:20.44 | bob2 | ctrl-alt-f1 |
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| 08:20.51 | HansZ | Guerin, hah |
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| 08:21.03 | Guerin | HansZ: ok, good news. this time, if it works, don't fuck with it. |
| 08:21.05 | KimHansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.06 | llama32 | anyone know of some "different" GUI ideas? |
| 08:21.07 | shingouz | sgmihai: remove the display manager. (xdm, kdm, gdm..) |
| 08:21.08 | KimHansen | argh.. |
| 08:21.11 | Solet-deb | sgmihai: changing an init file to runlevel 6 i believe shouldn do it i cant remember |
| 08:21.12 | HansZ | Guerin, good idea.. however |
| 08:21.20 | Guerin | HansZ: even if someone like me thinks they're clever enough to make it work :) |
| 08:21.22 | HansZ | Guerin, about that cplay.. how does it work? |
| 08:21.25 | shingouz | Solet-deb: no. |
| 08:21.31 | Solet-deb | ok i lose... |
| 08:21.37 | Guerin | HansZ: it calls external programs to play music files. |
| 08:21.57 | HansZ | Guerin, It doens't work for me.. seems it to be |
| 08:22.03 | shingouz | sgmihai: this is not redhat, no changes in runlevels to get the cli on boot. just remove the display manager and you are set |
| 08:22.03 | Guerin | HansZ: push h for UI help - it takes a bit of getting used to |
| 08:22.11 | HansZ | Guerin, I'll try that |
| 08:22.20 | sgmihai | one more thing, the max resolution i get is 800x600, how can i change that ? |
| 08:22.30 | shingouz | !drxx |
| 08:22.30 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 08:22.32 | Coke | tarzeau: is it possible to get different looks for GNUStep or do you have to have that gray, really ugly theme? |
| 08:22.34 | HansZ | sgmihai, In your XFree configuration |
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| 08:22.50 | tarzeau | Coke: yes use Preferences for different colors |
| 08:22.58 | shingouz | sgmihai, Solet-deb /msg dpkg nodm |
| 08:23.12 | tarzeau | Coke: and Camaelon 2(not in debian, since not released) for say Mac OS X look or gtk look |
| 08:23.27 | Coke | tarzeau: do you have an shots? |
| 08:23.32 | HansZ | Guerin, It's gives me the error: Player! not found |
| 08:24.07 | Guerin | HansZ: what are you trying to play? |
| 08:24.11 | tarzeau | Coke: sure, http://www.roard.com/screenshots/?M=D |
| 08:24.20 | HansZ | Guerin, a wav file.. and a .pls file (Streaming Audio) |
| 08:24.24 | tarzeau | Coke: try http://www.roard.com/screenshots/screenshot_theme45.png |
| 08:24.29 | Solet-deb | hey does anyone know if the debian mod of xf86 will run qingy correctly? |
| 08:24.52 | Guerin | HansZ: apt-get install madplay sox ogg123 flac |
| 08:25.01 | HansZ | Guerin, k :> |
| 08:25.02 | Coke | tarzeau: eh. |
| 08:25.11 | Coke | tarzeau: why is the text in the buttons not centered vertically? |
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| 08:25.31 | Coke | tarzeau: the same with the drop downs |
| 08:25.38 | HansZ | !ogg123 |
| 08:25.39 | sgmihai | i have an nvidia card, should i choose nv as the display driver ? |
| 08:25.43 | bob2 | yes |
| 08:25.53 | HansZ | Guerin, ogg123 has no installation candiate |
| 08:26.09 | Guerin | !find bin/ogg123 |
| 08:26.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ogg123' (1): (/usr/bin/ogg123) in sound/vorbis-tools. |
| 08:26.25 | Guerin | there we go - vorbis-tools |
| 08:26.29 | HansZ | aye |
| 08:26.30 | tarzeau | Coke: it's a setting, because the developer didn't want so |
| 08:26.41 | sgmihai | please enter the video card's bus indetifier: ??? |
| 08:26.42 | tarzeau | Coke: it's a property of the control |
| 08:26.47 | Guerin | sgmihai: <enter> |
| 08:26.48 | tarzeau | sgmihai: enter a random number |
| 08:26.51 | Coke | tarzeau: those are the sort of things that sting my eye and wish they'd made a ncurses based app instead. |
| 08:27.11 | Coke | tarzeau: hey, theme 35 looks really nice |
| 08:27.17 | tarzeau | Coke: i don't like "text user interfaces" as in mp3blaster |
| 08:27.26 | tarzeau | Coke: but certainly one key interactivity |
| 08:27.26 | sgmihai | tarzeau: can humans generate random numbers ? |
| 08:27.30 | Guerin | mp3blaster is a horrible UI |
| 08:27.36 | tarzeau | sgmihai: not so good |
| 08:27.44 | tarzeau | Guerin: that's what i'm saying |
| 08:27.51 | tarzeau | Guerin: try gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ way better |
| 08:27.58 | Guerin | not all TUIs are bad |
| 08:28.02 | tarzeau | can play about any sound file |
| 08:28.31 | Coke | tarzeau: all I know is this; GTK2 default theme looks better than the GNUstep themes I've seen so far. |
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| 08:28.46 | tarzeau | Coke: that's fine. i really like the default GNUstep look best |
| 08:29.06 | Coke | tarzeau: ok. the problem I have with GNUstep is the inconsistency in the toolbar and the various controls. |
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| 08:29.22 | tarzeau | Coke: tell that to #gnustep |
| 08:29.36 | tarzeau | Coke: maybe more detailed, or even better on the mailinglists |
| 08:29.36 | Coke | tarzeau: are there any bindings for other languages? |
| 08:29.42 | tarzeau | Coke: yes of course |
| 08:29.57 | witless | is there a gui utility on the gnome desktop that users can use to set up cron files? |
| 08:30.01 | tarzeau | Coke: ask for which language, and i can answer. there's java, python, ruby, and more bindings |
| 08:30.09 | HansZ | Guerin, wav files works now but the .pls file doesnt |
| 08:30.11 | tarzeau | witless: i've seen one, once |
| 08:30.13 | tarzeau | witless: it sucked |
| 08:30.15 | Coke | tarzeau: yay! :) |
| 08:30.20 | Solet-deb | i'm off to bed... night all |
| 08:30.24 | witless | tarzeau: do you recall its name? |
| 08:30.28 | Coke | tarzeau: python is my choice |
| 08:30.31 | tarzeau | witless: no idea, it was something stupid |
| 08:30.45 | witless | the name was stupid? |
| 08:30.51 | tarzeau | Coke: btw, tried this (pyton!): http://bub-n-bros.sf.net/ |
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| 08:30.54 | tarzeau | witless: very |
| 08:31.04 | Guerin | HansZ: what's actually IN the pls file? |
| 08:31.06 | witless | tarzeau: might that package have been gcrontab? |
| 08:31.06 | Coke | tarzeau: yeah! people do great stuff with SDL these days |
| 08:31.10 | HansZ | Guerin, http://64.236.34.97:80/stream/1065 |
| 08:31.19 | tarzeau | witless: maybe, yes, it was several years ago, about 3 or 4 |
| 08:31.21 | HansZ | Guerin, with some prefix before it |
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| 08:31.29 | Guerin | HansZ: grrr, annoyingness |
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| 08:31.46 | witless | so what's so stupid about the name "gcrontab"? |
| 08:31.49 | Guerin | HansZ: no way of knowing what that is until you try to play it |
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| 08:32.02 | tarzeau | witless: horrible to spell |
| 08:32.12 | HansZ | Guerin, what do you mean? |
| 08:32.16 | witless | tarzeau: you have trouble spelling "gcrontab" ? |
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| 08:32.19 | HansZ | Guerin, it works in beep-media-player |
| 08:32.20 | tarzeau | witless: g and k are horrible to spell |
| 08:32.30 | tarzeau | witless: yes |
| 08:32.32 | Guerin | HansZ: but do you know what format it is? |
| 08:32.38 | Guerin | HansZ: mp3 or ogg or what? |
| 08:32.42 | witless | tarzeau: can you spell "crontab" ? |
| 08:32.44 | HansZ | Guerin, mp3 |
| 08:32.46 | tarzeau | witless: yeah |
| 08:32.51 | tarzeau | witless: i call it cron |
| 08:33.07 | caphuso | tarzeau: which is why your fanboy obession is called nustep, right? ;-) |
| 08:33.07 | witless | tarzeau: and you're aware that often gtk applications append the letter "g" to things? |
| 08:33.18 | tarzeau | caphuso: it's spellt that |
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| 08:33.24 | witless | s/append/prepend/ |
| 08:33.33 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
| 08:33.34 | bob2 | it's short for GNOME NU STEP evironment |
| 08:33.35 | tarzeau | witless: yes which is so ugly and boring |
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| 08:33.42 | tarzeau | bob2: crap! |
| 08:33.53 | witless | tarzeau: and you find it difficult to put together "g" and "crontab"? |
| 08:33.56 | bob2 | it's a fork of gnome from 1997 |
| 08:33.56 | tarzeau | but do you guys know what GNOME is the abbreviation of? |
| 08:33.58 | tarzeau | !gnome |
| 08:33.58 | dpkg | i guess gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager, or a barely-usable pile of dung |
| 08:34.00 | tarzeau | bob2: no it's not |
| 08:34.07 | bob2 | gnu object model environment |
| 08:34.10 | tarzeau | bob2: gnome wanted to use gnustep base but failed miserably |
| 08:34.15 | witless | gne network object model env |
| 08:34.19 | witless | gnu |
| 08:34.31 | bob2 | once gnustep forked, they rewrote it all in object pascal |
| 08:34.36 | bob2 | and the rest is history |
| 08:34.39 | tarzeau | bob2: yeah but know it's only "gnu orrible messy environment" |
| 08:34.41 | witless | tarzeau: and you find it difficult to put together "g" and "crontab"? |
| 08:34.42 | HansZ | Guerin, wget says its a Malformed status line |
| 08:34.45 | bob2 | I'm not sure emulating the AMIGA OS was the best idea, tho |
| 08:34.51 | tarzeau | bob2: that's Objetive-C |
| 08:35.29 | Guerin | HansZ: yeah. Mplayer seems to want to play it, but otherr cli apps don't - madplay, mpg123, etc. |
| 08:35.43 | HansZ | Guerin, mplayer doesn't work |
| 08:35.45 | tarzeau | witless: very annoying |
| 08:35.50 | Guerin | HansZ: worksforme |
| 08:35.53 | tarzeau | witless: you can't spell it in one go |
| 08:35.53 | witless | tarzeau: do you really have trouble spelling gcrontab, are you sure you're simply not one of the people who give #debian a reputation as a bunch of ornery shitheads? |
| 08:35.58 | tarzeau | witless: there's a break between the two |
| 08:36.00 | HansZ | Guerin, It gives errors about Win32 DLLS :/ |
| 08:36.11 | tarzeau | witless: yes i find it hard to spell gcrontab |
| 08:36.23 | caphuso | witless: he means "pronounce", not "spell" |
| 08:36.25 | witless | tarzeau: i don't believe you. i think the latter may actually be the case |
| 08:36.41 | tarzeau | witless: whatever you want. i don't care |
| 08:36.58 | tarzeau | bob2: gnustep is way older than gnome |
| 08:37.02 | tarzeau | bob2: so is kde |
| 08:37.06 | Guerin | HansZ: weird. try apt-get install w32codecs |
| 08:37.10 | bob2 | kde's from 1937 |
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| 08:37.17 | bob2 | and was started by former german politicians |
| 08:37.25 | bob2 | who wanted something to do in between beers |
| 08:37.26 | HansZ | Guerin, win32 dlls in linux.. |
| 08:37.33 | Guerin | yeah, weird huh |
| 08:37.37 | witless | tarzeau: do you think it helps the channel to turn people who come to #debian for help into your personal technological voodoo-dolls ? |
| 08:37.42 | HansZ | w32codecs doesn't exist Guerin |
| 08:38.03 | Guerin | HansZ: it does in marillat - ask dpkg about him |
| 08:38.07 | tarzeau | witless: i don't believe it helps to point them to miserably inefficient software |
| 08:38.10 | shingouz | HansZ: do you have marillat in your sources.list? |
| 08:38.24 | HansZ | shingouz, Nope.. i don't even know what it is |
| 08:38.36 | shingouz | !tell HansZ about marillat |
| 08:38.41 | HansZ | thanks |
| 08:38.50 | shingouz | yw |
| 08:38.57 | Guerin | wow, new X and everything else in sid |
| 08:39.01 | Guerin | my favorite |
| 08:39.20 | witless | Guerin: x.org? |
| 08:39.30 | Coke | HansZ: you compiled mplayer yourself? |
| 08:39.37 | Guerin | witless: don't get your hopes up :) |
| 08:39.43 | witless | Guerin: hehe |
| 08:39.45 | HansZ | Coke, negative |
| 08:40.08 | witless | Guerin: i save up my hopes for easy to use ldap authentication :-) |
| 08:40.47 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 08:40.48 | sep | HansZ: instead of having us guess how you installed it , coudnt you just tell us how you got mplayer on your debian, since you didn't get it from official sources, and not from marillat either ? |
| 08:41.21 | liable | ubuntu? :) |
| 08:41.33 | HansZ | sep, Sorry.. i've downloaded the .deb from http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/01/msg00173.html |
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| 08:42.00 | Coke | HansZ: from 2003. how old was the deb? |
| 08:42.18 | HansZ | Coke, 25-Apr-2005 |
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| 08:42.39 | witless | tarzeau: despite everthing else, gcrontab does suck pretty bad. |
| 08:42.49 | Coke | HansZ: you already know what the problem is, so fix it. |
| 08:43.08 | HansZ | Coke, Aye aye captain |
| 08:43.14 | Coke | :) |
| 08:43.24 | tarzeau | witless: so it didn't get better in 2 years |
| 08:43.43 | Coke | HansZ: you said it couldn't find the w32codecs. either change where it looks for it or make w32codecs exist where it wants it. |
| 08:43.52 | HansZ | Guerin, I've added marillian stuff to my source list.. however it still says Coulden't find package w32codecs |
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| 08:44.08 | Guerin | apt-get update? |
| 08:44.11 | jm_ | just adding it to sources.list is not enough |
| 08:44.13 | HansZ | Guerin, done that already |
| 08:44.23 | Guerin | then you didn't do it correctly |
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| 08:44.47 | xsquared | hi all. just a quick question. How do you make the tty terminal font smaller without using SVGATextMode (cause it doesn't work for me)? |
| 08:44.48 | witless | how can i find out what the debian-related channels on freenode are? |
| 08:44.51 | liable | HansZ: W32codecs |
| 08:45.02 | jm_ | xsquared: read svga.txt or fb docs |
| 08:45.02 | liable | oops, no |
| 08:45.07 | Guerin | xsquared: boot with vga=something; msg dpkg hwinfo |
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| 08:46.04 | jebiga | hello |
| 08:46.05 | HansZ | Guerin, double check.. it's correct |
| 08:46.10 | jhai1 | When upgrading from Woody to Sarge, is it possible to install a few packages at a time? If I do "apt-get dist-upgrade" it will off to download and upgrade all at once. |
| 08:46.14 | jebiga | god dag |
| 08:46.19 | HansZ | Guerin, wait.. stupid me |
| 08:46.29 | xsquared | thanks Guerin |
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| 08:46.52 | streuner | jhai1: apt-get install package1 package2 package3? |
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| 08:46.58 | sep | jhai1: you can use apt-get install instad of dist-upgrade |
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| 08:47.50 | jhai1 | OK, thanks. |
| 08:47.55 | HansZ | Guerin, wee installing |
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| 08:48.21 | Guerin | funfunfun |
| 08:48.32 | HansZ | joyjoyjoy |
| 08:48.47 | Coke | I just downloaded mplayer yesterday and built it from source. According to their website you should download it now while it is still legal in Europe. |
| 08:49.02 | Coke | Stupid European parliament. |
| 08:49.08 | HansZ | It remains legal.. those software patents can't stay |
| 08:49.36 | HansZ | Such as microsoft has soo many money.. it can buy any patent for his software.. |
| 08:49.42 | Delph | HansZ: have you prodded your MEP, i haven't =:/ |
| 08:50.04 | HansZ | Delph, eh? |
| 08:50.10 | HansZ | Delph, Freddie? |
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| 08:50.34 | Delph | who's Freddie? |
| 08:50.40 | bob2 | he's behind you |
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| 08:50.41 | HansZ | I dunno, you were talking about him |
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| 08:50.49 | Delph | rightright. |
| 08:50.53 | HansZ | jupjupjup |
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| 08:51.30 | tremere | is anyone here familiar with configuring kppp? |
| 08:51.31 | Coke | The problem is that the software patents will be realized. |
| 08:51.34 | HansZ | Guerin, error remains |
| 08:51.46 | HansZ | Coke, Nah.. I just can't believe it |
| 08:51.47 | tremere | when i try to dial the isp, it just says "initializing modem" never advances beyond that |
| 08:51.57 | Guerin | HansZ: strange, works fine for me. |
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| 08:52.04 | HansZ | Guerin, buh :( |
| 08:52.10 | Guerin | tremere: does pon work? |
| 08:52.11 | Coke | They are voting (for the third time I think) and they reissue the vote until it is a yes |
| 08:52.12 | manas | how do I open webmin on port 80? |
| 08:52.15 | liable | tremere: use wvdial, its good |
| 08:52.24 | Guerin | manas: DON'T |
| 08:52.28 | Coke | Because the lobbyists has paid them enough now to get what they want so it's impossible to stop it. |
| 08:52.30 | bob2 | tremere: you're not using aol, right? |
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| 08:52.39 | tremere | bob2 no i am not using AOL |
| 08:52.40 | dvsdude | mans: why go port 9001 9002 or sim |
| 08:52.45 | HansZ | Guerin, damn i'm really stupid today |
| 08:52.49 | HansZ | SLAP ME! |
| 08:52.52 | Guerin | manas: just don't use webmin |
| 08:52.55 | Guerin | !slap HansZ |
| 08:53.01 | HansZ | ty |
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| 08:53.25 | tremere | bob2 anything you want to contribute, or is that par for the course? |
| 08:53.39 | bob2 | tremere: I'd suggest not being rude to people who were trying to help you |
| 08:53.57 | Guerin | tremere: if you answer my question I might consider helping you |
| 08:54.08 | Guerin | !gui tools |
| 08:54.08 | dpkg | Don't use gui tools for diagnostics unless you have absolutely no choice. Console-based tools give much more useful and sane feedback, and often are more configurable. |
| 08:54.25 | HansZ | !ui |
| 08:54.26 | dpkg | hmm... ui is user interface, or http://www.cyberpunkproject.org/lib/in_the_beginning_was_the_command_line/ |
| 08:54.28 | HansZ | !gui |
| 08:54.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gui is (Graphical User Interface) Any system that uses graphics to represent the functions of a program. All Windows operating systems are GUI. or point-and-drool, double-click, drag-and-drop, ... or at http://pla-netx.com/linebackn/guis/index.html. Of course Real Programmers use the command line interface. See cli |
| 08:54.31 | HansZ | :> |
| 08:54.45 | tremere | bob2 you were not "trying to help". you were looking to try and get others to gang up on me for using AOL (which as you are well aware i was using earlier today) |
| 08:54.50 | Guerin | ffs |
| 08:54.59 | manas | plz guys. I need to know. A firewall allows only 80 and 443 to go through. We want to give webmin access through it. No, we don't write the rules of that firewall... |
| 08:55.02 | Guerin | be the fucking victim, then |
| 08:55.15 | bob2 | tremere: eh, no |
| 08:55.20 | Guerin | manas: that's such an outrageously bad idea. |
| 08:55.23 | bob2 | tremere: I was asking because normal dialup tools don't work with aol |
| 08:55.36 | manas | Guerin: give me a good one |
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| 08:56.10 | pablum | using aol on linux? |
| 08:56.12 | tremere | bob2 fine, if you want to know what ISP someone is using, why don't you ask, instead of looking for a fight iwth the type of question you asked? |
| 08:56.19 | HansZ | kagy, for dutch debian talk you can go to #debian.nl :) |
| 08:56.25 | bob2 | tremere: what? you're reading way too much into it. |
| 08:56.25 | pablum | I heard there was such a thing, but never knew anyone using it, yet |
| 08:56.55 | bob2 | tremere: I noticed you were using aol this morning, and that you stormed off. then you ask for ppp help, and it immediately occurs to me "if he/she's trying to use aol, that could be the problem" |
| 08:57.06 | Guerin | manas: 1) don't use webmin 2) open up another port on the firewall, one not customarily used by http traffic, spybots and random haxorz; 3) run webmin listening only on localhost and use it only from localhost over ssh. |
| 08:57.31 | bob2 | manas: if you really insist it has to run on port 80, read the config file |
| 08:57.40 | bob2 | manas: or maybe you can even configure it via the web thing |
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| 08:58.12 | Coke | manas: why use webmin when there's telnet and SSH? |
| 08:58.35 | sep | why use telnet when there is ssh ? |
| 08:58.36 | tremere | bob2 what occured to me this morning was that you were very much negatively contributing to the "AOL sucks, no linux user would use AOL!" discussion. again, i ask you, do you have anything that you'd like to contribute at this moment? |
| 08:58.47 | bob2 | jesus christ |
| 08:59.02 | nuts | hey, somehow my lastlogin msg comes after motd, but i want it before motd. any suggestions? |
| 08:59.23 | tremere | bob2 i can see that you are NO DIFFERENT (just a jerk) than you were years ago when i saw you in #debian....appears you're also littering #ubuntu with your provoking attitude...grow up, little one. |
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| 08:59.37 | Coke | sep: why use SSH when there's telnet and kerberos? |
| 08:59.51 | bob2 | 11:00:40 tremere | wow, the ubuntu community sucks. check that off the list. |
| 08:59.59 | bob2 | 11:00:43 ---| <--- tremere [vircuser@ACAFBA32.ipt.aol.com] has left #ubuntu () |
| 09:00.05 | bob2 | 11:01:04 bob2 | and from aol, too |
| 09:00.05 | bob2 | 11:01:06 bob2 | what a shock |
| 09:00.12 | bob2 | that's the first and only time I said anything about aol at all |
| 09:00.18 | bob2 | I didn't even talk to you until you left |
| 09:00.40 | HansZ | Why do you guys hate aol? =$ |
| 09:00.43 | Coke | hehe, bob2 a jerk? |
| 09:00.48 | bob2 | HansZ: I have no problem |
| 09:01.02 | Guerin | what a twat |
| 09:01.10 | Delph | HansZ: it's annoying to try to work with though, because the protocols you need to talk are non-standard. |
| 09:01.20 | Guerin | as if him being a twat wan't bad enough, he's a twat named after a fucking vampire clan |
| 09:01.32 | bob2 | my comment was a reference to the "september that never ended" |
| 09:01.35 | Guerin | goddamn, I hate whiney victim-goths |
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| 09:01.42 | caphuso | worse, an austrian vampire clan |
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| 09:02.33 | Goonbob | hello |
| 09:03.00 | Coke | aren't all the regulars here jerks? at least once a day, when that clueless Windows user says Debian sucks because he can't find C: |
| 09:03.00 | nuts | hey, somehow my lastlogin msg comes after motd, but i want it before. any suggestions? |
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| 09:03.25 | Guerin | nuts: so you said a few moments ago. |
| 09:03.52 | bob2 | nuts: is that possible to change? |
| 09:04.05 | Goonbob | does any one have any exp installing debian(sarge) on a raid0? |
| 09:04.06 | manas | I hate it when people don't just say that don't know how to do a thing and keep acting smart |
| 09:04.13 | pablum | I think AOL and linux ought to have more fans in common, in the area of cheap bastards |
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| 09:04.31 | Guerin | we've really got some 'tude in here today! |
| 09:04.39 | Guerin | the dolphins are fighting back! |
| 09:04.47 | bbrazil | nuts: check /etc/pam.d and move things around, mightn't work with pure sshd but may be a workaround |
| 09:05.14 | nuts | bbrazil, k i'll try that. thanks. |
| 09:05.52 | Coke | nuts: check /etc/login.defs |
| 09:06.03 | Coke | nuts: and /etc/pam.d/login which might override that. |
| 09:06.08 | nuts | Coke, those prefs are in /etc/pam.d/ssh now |
| 09:06.09 | Guerin | i think it's all handled by pam now |
| 09:06.12 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:06.19 | Coke | oh, yeah |
| 09:06.26 | nuts | bbrazil, hum it's already in right order ;/ |
| 09:06.32 | Coke | nuts: it seems that yuo can only turn it on or off though |
| 09:06.42 | Goonbob | so has anyone installed sarge on a hardware raid0 ? |
| 09:06.48 | nuts | Coke, that's what i fear too :( |
| 09:06.59 | bob2 | Goonbob: if it's real raid, you don't do anything special at all |
| 09:07.09 | bob2 | Goonbob: the kernel sees a single disk, you install, and you're good to go |
| 09:07.15 | Coke | nuts: but anyway, if you want that to be for only SSH change pam.d/ssh, but the settings are also available in pam.d/login |
| 09:07.20 | Goonbob | i wish that happend |
| 09:07.26 | Goonbob | it sees two disks |
| 09:07.33 | boycer | Goonbob: might be fakeraid |
| 09:07.38 | Goonbob | even though i raided them |
| 09:07.39 | Guerin | bob2: how's your bash? |
| 09:07.45 | bbrazil | nuts: if you motd is less than 23 lines I doubt it matters that much |
| 09:07.46 | bob2 | Goonbob: then it's not a hardware raid controller |
| 09:08.14 | Goonbob | its a built in controller into my mother board |
| 09:08.17 | Goonbob | right? |
| 09:08.21 | Guerin | !tardware |
| 09:08.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tardware is the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>. |
| 09:08.22 | nuts | hm well, gotta comment it then |
| 09:08.30 | bob2 | Guerin: eh? |
| 09:08.31 | boycer | Goonbob: depends on the chip |
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| 09:08.36 | Goonbob | is that not hardware? |
| 09:08.45 | boycer | Goonbob: not necessarily |
| 09:08.47 | bob2 | Goonbob: it's not a hardware raid controller then, it's a chip that windows pretends is a hardware raid controller |
| 09:08.48 | Guerin | bob2: I have a bash question of some complexity and #bash is dead |
| 09:08.55 | bob2 | Guerin: ah, ok, shoot |
| 09:09.05 | Goonbob | really... hmmm |
| 09:09.22 | Goonbob | thats sux |
| 09:09.31 | Goonbob | i thought that it was hardware |
| 09:09.35 | boycer | Goonbob: you *might* be able to find horrid proprietary kernel modules that let you ise it, but it's not nice |
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| 09:09.52 | cyrix^ | does anyonw know how to disable the dns ip's from a DHCP server ? |
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| 09:10.07 | Goonbob | how would i load the mods, im trying to install |
| 09:10.08 | bob2 | cyrix^: if you install dhcp3-client, you can set it in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 09:10.19 | nuts | wired, if i login as root, i get the lastlogin msg two times. first time above motd with pts/x info, second time after motd... wired |
| 09:10.25 | cyrix^ | bob2 ok.. will give it a go |
| 09:10.26 | Guerin | bob2: I want to match a case in $1; to the contents of an array - i currently have case $1 in ; $(echo ${PROFILES[@]:0}|sed s/\ /\|/g) ) ; the expression evaluates to foo|bar|baz, which is fine, but case doesn't match foo, bar or baz as $1 |
| 09:10.41 | boycer | Goonbob: you'd have to find them first :) |
| 09:10.42 | nuts | nothing in .bashrc / .profile either |
| 09:10.49 | boycer | Goonbob: if they even exist |
| 09:11.08 | boycer | Goonbob: sorry, not helping much here! |
| 09:11.10 | Goonbob | so basicly my cpu takes care of the riading even though there is a chip on my motherboad thats supposed to do it? |
| 09:11.17 | bob2 | Goonbob: yes |
| 09:11.18 | boycer | Goonbob: yep |
| 09:11.20 | nuts | Last login: Fri May 20 10:48:51 2005 from 192.168.1.5 on pts/0 |
| 09:11.20 | nuts | Last login: Fri May 20 10:48:51 2005 from 192.168.1.5 |
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| 09:11.36 | Goonbob | thats like false advertisment |
| 09:11.37 | nuts | yay.. disabled lastlogin in /etc/pam.d/login , ssh |
| 09:11.41 | Guerin | Goonbob: it is. |
| 09:11.42 | nuts | and still get that |
| 09:11.49 | Goonbob | damn you asus |
| 09:11.50 | Guerin | Goonbob: good luck pursuing that :) |
| 09:11.55 | boycer | Goonbob: sucks huh? |
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| 09:12.54 | Goonbob | i have had windows installed on it before, it ran super fast... software raid i though were slow |
| 09:13.21 | Guerin | there may be a proprietary driver available for windows which takes the edge off it |
| 09:13.30 | xydarcher | why does the jvmdi.h is not included? |
| 09:13.36 | Guerin | but there almost certainly ain't for unix |
| 09:13.40 | xydarcher | in unstable debian |
| 09:13.48 | bbrazil | Goonbob: raid1 wouldn't be too bad, but raid5 would probably kill all performance |
| 09:13.53 | bob2 | Guerin: hm, beyond me, sorry |
| 09:14.10 | Goonbob | so then what does the 'chip' do on my board? sit there and look pretty? |
| 09:14.25 | bob2 | Goonbob: it's an IDE controller |
| 09:14.30 | Goonbob | i has to have some job |
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| 09:15.40 | Goonbob | like when i boot up you can get into the chip before the OS and build and distory arrays: that doesnt sound like software to me |
| 09:16.07 | bob2 | the bios has some magic code for it |
| 09:16.13 | tpr | a quick q bout kernel compiling again; when i run make-kpkg on kernel_image, do i have to do it for modules_image as well, I dont quite understand |
| 09:16.26 | liable | no |
| 09:16.38 | bob2 | tpr: modules_image builds external modules packages, things like lirc and such |
| 09:16.46 | tpr | external ah okey |
| 09:16.49 | bob2 | tpr: kernel_image will include all the modules from the actual kernel source itself |
| 09:17.01 | tpr | bob2, great thanks just what i needed/wanted to hear :) |
| 09:17.13 | tpr | im trying to rtfm here but some are a bit unclear :p |
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| 09:17.22 | nuts | heh, got it: uncomment: PrintLastLog no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config :) |
| 09:17.22 | bob2 | yeah, it confused me, too |
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| 09:18.28 | streuner | no, upgrade tests is <reply> Upgrade Tests - It is recommended to read the release notes before upgrading, and in particular Chapter 4, "Upgrades from previous releases". upgrade report template to help when reporting problems with the upgrades (http://release.debian.org/upgrade-report.html). If you do run into problems please fill it out, and email it to submit@bugs.debian.org, thanks. |
| 09:18.30 | tpr | so for instance, i do apt-get install pcmcia-source and build that, then i would make em as external modules_image? |
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| 09:18.46 | bob2 | right |
| 09:18.55 | streuner | dpkg, no upgrade tests is <reply> Upgrade Tests - It is recommended to read the release notes before upgrading, and in particular Chapter 4, "Upgrades from previous releases". upgrade report template to help when reporting problems with the upgrades (http://release.debian.org/upgrade-report.html). If you do run into problems please fill it out, and email it to submit@bugs.debian.org, thanks. |
| 09:18.56 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 09:19.42 | Guerin | bob2: beyond me too :) |
| 09:20.14 | xydarcher | anyone has install the resin before? |
| 09:20.17 | tpr | moving on..weird thing after updating the kernel X server cannot start, saying, for one, no mouse device |
| 09:21.11 | tpr | but it worked before quite nicely (evo n800w laptop with touchpad, worked as psaux / PS2) |
| 09:21.18 | Guerin | tpr: upgrade from what to what? |
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| 09:21.23 | caphuso | kernel_image This target produces a Debian package of the Linux kernel source image, and any modules configured in the kernel configuration file .config. |
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| 09:21.44 | liable | tpr: back to menu config and enable input devices mouse |
| 09:21.44 | tpr | 2.4.something to newest stable with apt-get |
| 09:21.48 | tpr | or newest anyway |
| 09:21.59 | Guerin | tpr: that means nothing |
| 09:22.10 | Guerin | tell me what specific kernel it's now failing with |
| 09:22.17 | liable | oh, thought you compiled it. |
| 09:22.57 | tpr | liable, i made old menuconfig, that shouldve kept it in there and i didnt change input devices :f |
| 09:23.23 | Guerin | use a debian kernel image; if it still fails, come back and see us |
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| 09:23.55 | liable | tpr: the old 2.4 and new 2.6 sources would have a fair few different options |
| 09:24.02 | tpr | guerin, apt-get gets the debian kernel image does it not |
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| 09:24.19 | tpr | liable, bet they do, but i cant fix the mouse with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 :) |
| 09:24.29 | sgmihai | how can i give my user access to mounted partitions ? |
| 09:24.29 | tpr | anyway I shall boot back to old kernel and atleast see if it workst here |
| 09:24.39 | bob2 | sgmihai: mount them with -o umask=002 |
| 09:24.44 | bob2 | sgmihai: assuming it's ntfs or vfat |
| 09:24.55 | sgmihai | bob2 how would i do that automatically in fstab? |
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| 09:25.14 | amorphix | hi guys, does anyone know of any problem at present with Kopete with regards to logging into MSN? |
| 09:25.15 | bob2 | sgmihai: replace defaults with defaults,umask=002 |
| 09:25.20 | bob2 | possible just the umask thing is enough |
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| 09:25.35 | sgmihai | bob2, what does umask=002 mean ? |
| 09:25.50 | dvsdude | read write root only |
| 09:26.13 | bob2 | sgmihai: vfat and ntfs don't store permissions, so the kernel has to invent some. umask=002 says "let root read and write, but other users just read" |
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| 09:26.24 | bob2 | I forget how it's calculated |
| 09:26.54 | caphuso | 777 - 002 = 775 for dirs and 666 - 002 = 664 for files |
| 09:27.04 | bob2 | oh, right |
| 09:27.08 | bob2 | root:root has rw then |
| 09:27.15 | caphuso | yes |
| 09:27.15 | bob2 | duh me |
| 09:27.29 | caphuso | assuming root mounts the thing |
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| 09:29.57 | incorrect | has anyone here got experience with legato? |
| 09:30.28 | boycer | incorrect: a little... |
| 09:31.16 | boycer | incorrect: you used to be able to find a .rpm for the client, which you could alien to a .deb |
| 09:31.36 | boycer | incorrect: not very neat :/ |
| 09:31.40 | incorrect | i have to use it for my host providers backup, i used a .deb |
| 09:32.00 | incorrect | i assume it was aliened but it doesn't say it was in the alien group |
| 09:32.15 | incorrect | it works perfectly but its so broken it hurts |
| 09:32.23 | incorrect | dependancy wise |
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| 09:32.41 | boycer | incorrect: works but is broken? ah yes. depends on xlibs for no reason at all |
| 09:32.53 | incorrect | exactly |
| 09:32.55 | boycer | incorrect: bit of a pig |
| 09:33.07 | incorrect | did you get round it? |
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| 09:33.35 | boycer | incorrect: if you upgrade xlibs you have to remove the legato package first, then remake a symlink, before upgrading |
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| 09:33.50 | boycer | incorrect: I've just learned to live with it... |
| 09:34.33 | incorrect | oh |
| 09:34.37 | boycer | incorrect: ln -s /etc/X11/app-defaults /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults (in case you're wondering) |
| 09:34.53 | incorrect | i installed it using a force option |
| 09:35.27 | boycer | incorrect: installed legato? or xlibs? |
| 09:35.29 | incorrect | but it b0rked up the dependancies so much apt-get upgrade |
| 09:35.33 | incorrect | legato |
| 09:36.19 | boycer | incorrect: makes you want to do your own bloody backups doesn't it |
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| 09:36.48 | boycer | coffee calls.... |
| 09:36.56 | incorrect | lol |
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| 09:38.17 | crashbg | if i do apt-get source kernel-source-2.6.11 which has debian patches in it can i apply then the official 2.6.11.10 patch from kernel.org? |
| 09:38.52 | caphuso | crashbg: you can try |
| 09:39.13 | crashbg | caphuso, yes i can but will it work :) |
| 09:39.24 | caphuso | crashbg: again, you can try |
| 09:39.31 | crashbg | oki-doki |
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| 09:41.02 | cyrix^ | crashbg if it aint work, it will give you some errors, when patching |
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| 09:43.07 | incorrect | is there a way to force bind to update its cache for a site? |
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| 09:43.23 | chin1 | how do i search for a package if i dont know the name ? |
| 09:43.41 | supaman | chin1: apt-cache search keyword |
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| 09:43.53 | sgmihai | will the final sarge come with kde 3.4 and xorg? |
| 09:44.10 | crashbg | sgmihai, i guess no |
| 09:44.17 | bob2 | incorrect: you can restart it |
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| 09:44.25 | Gathond_ | sgmihai: dont know about kde 3.4 but xorg, no |
| 09:44.34 | sgmihai | why not ? isn't it a good idea to use xorg? |
| 09:44.58 | Gathond_ | sgmihai: because the SID version is still XFree86 4.3 |
| 09:45.11 | sgmihai | sid ? |
| 09:45.23 | drac | !sid |
| 09:45.23 | dpkg | from memory, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
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| 09:45.32 | giupy_ | hi all |
| 09:45.56 | Gathond_ | sgmihai: probably, but the amount of work that goes into packaging/porting X to debians architectures means it takes time, and 4.3 is the current version packaged, so attempting to remake the whole thing for x.org is well, not an option now |
| 09:46.03 | giupy_ | what can cause problems in read/write only in 2 radi partition raid0 software ? |
| 09:46.27 | giupy_ | and ohers part go well |
| 09:46.55 | Gathond_ | sgmihai: I think they still discuss what to do for etch, keep the current 4.3 Xfree86 branch and develop that one, go for x.org or go for the last "free" XFree86 and go from that |
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| 09:47.52 | sgmihai | hmm, so what's the history with xorg and xfree ? when and why did they get split-up ? |
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| 09:48.18 | lordlamer | lordlamer hello. iget this error: Too many open |
| 09:48.18 | lordlamer | lordlamer files: /srv/www/htdocs/.htaccess pcfg_openfile: unable to check htaccess |
| 09:48.18 | lordlamer | lordlamer file, ensure it is readable. the file has rights 755. what can i do? |
| 09:48.31 | Gathond_ | sgmihai: XFree86 changed their license (or the wording of it) so it is currently seen as incompatible with the GPL |
| 09:48.47 | Gathond_ | sgmihai: X.org is then a fork from the last version before the license changed |
| 09:49.11 | chin1 | i have a problem here |
| 09:49.20 | sgmihai | oh, but everyone agrees that x.org is more advanced ? |
| 09:49.35 | chin1 | i cant get libpcre3 installed and it says i have unmet dep's but i have the dep installed |
| 09:51.31 | crashbg | can i compile a kernel using make-kpkg... on one fast pc in my home network, then transfer the .deb file and install it on another pc without transferring all the kernel-source code? |
| 09:51.41 | PerfDave | crashbg: Yes, or just use distcc |
| 09:51.47 | PerfDave | sgmihai: xorg isn't significantly more advanced than Debian's xfree, since the latter contains many (but not all) drivers backported from xorg. |
| 09:51.47 | giupy_ | crashbg yes |
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| 09:52.12 | crashbg | thanks :) |
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| 09:53.26 | sgmihai | i want to switch to linux as my home os, but i'm still not sure if debian is the way to go |
| 09:53.40 | Guerin | chin1: you clearly don't; if you did, apt wouldn't b0rk |
| 09:53.49 | asg | sgmihai: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 09:53.52 | giupy_ | sgmihai yes that's it :) |
| 09:53.55 | tpr | atleast mouse works on the older kernel (2.4.27-1), i had upgraded to kernel 2.6.8-2 |
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| 09:55.53 | sgmihai | well i was thinking of a modern but simple distro with 2.6 kernel that has gaim,firefox,xmms out of the box and preferrably with x.org |
| 09:56.05 | asg | sgmihai: then debian isn't for you |
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| 09:56.21 | giupy_ | sgmihai ubuntu has x.org and it's debian based |
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| 09:56.25 | zeedo | sgmihai: think about ubuntu |
| 09:56.37 | zeedo | giupy_: :-D |
| 09:56.38 | sgmihai | ubuntu is for total noobs, right ? |
| 09:56.47 | giupy_ | sgmihai so you can apt-get ecc... |
| 09:56.58 | zeedo | sgmihai: it is quite noob friendly, yeh |
| 09:57.08 | giupy_ | sgmihai ever used, i think it's a linux distro |
| 09:57.11 | directhex|work | as long as you can handle a text-based installer, and don't really want to change from the base installed system, yes ubuntu is fine for beginners |
| 09:57.35 | sgmihai | i tried arch linux but they don't have as many packages as i wanted |
| 09:57.46 | sgmihai | slackware doesn't come with 2.6 by default |
| 09:57.47 | zeedo | directhex|work: windows is a text install to begin with, if you can install windows you can usually get by installing most linux distros |
| 09:57.53 | PerfDave | Debian is a modern but simple distro with 2.6 kernel which has gaim, firefox and xmms out of the box. |
| 09:57.55 | sgmihai | fedora is too much modified.. |
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| 09:58.16 | giupy_ | don't lokk at fedora mdk & c. ....... |
| 09:58.19 | giupy_ | look |
| 09:58.38 | directhex|work | zeedo, i'm fully aware of the windows installation process, yet most people aren't and complain when a linux distro uses a text-based installer. |
| 09:58.39 | PerfDave | And unlike Ubuntu, Debian has decent support when things cock up :) |
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| 09:58.57 | sgmihai | i was thinking maybe kubuntu |
| 09:59.02 | zeedo | directhex|work: indeed, i thought you were one of them :-P |
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| 09:59.24 | sgmihai | what was that command to configure apt-get sources ? i forgot it |
| 09:59.28 | giupy_ | sgmihai is there a xfceubuntu ? :)) |
| 09:59.47 | giupy_ | sgmihai apt-setup |
| 09:59.56 | Unskill3d | sgmihai: vi /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 10:00.10 | directhex|work | zeedo, see my comment on this exact comment from this time last year, at http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD03OTMmdXJsX3BhZ2U9Mw== |
| 10:00.28 | jhai1 | I have a machine running Debian Sarge. According to /var/log/messages, the ethernet card is running at 10Mbps. How can I find if the card is capable of 100Mbps and, if so, how to use it? |
| 10:00.30 | directhex|work | giupy_, from what i hear, there's one in development |
| 10:00.37 | directhex|work | jhai1, mii-tool |
| 10:00.39 | asg | jhai1: ethtool, mii-tool |
| 10:01.14 | jhai1 | Thanks. |
| 10:01.30 | zeedo | directhex|work: nicely put :-) |
| 10:01.40 | giupy_ | wich is the cluster size by default in ext3 partition ? |
| 10:01.41 | Unskill3d | quitte: |
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| 10:01.53 | crashbg | PerfDave, i read about distcc and i'm gonna use it :P But what sould be my local CIDR? my local network is 192.100.0.1 to 192.168.0.14 then what sould be my CIDR - 192.100.0.0/24 or 25 or what? |
| 10:02.09 | PerfDave | crashbg: apt-get install ipcalc |
| 10:02.25 | libpcp | i have question regarding dhcp. |
| 10:02.34 | jhai1 | mii-tool -v comes back with (amongst other text) the line "capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD". Am I right in thinking that this means it is capable of 100Mbps? |
| 10:02.43 | asg | jhai1: yes |
| 10:03.22 | tosh| | how do I display the octal permission values of a file? |
| 10:03.37 | crashbg | jhai1, the other card/switch/hub and the cable have t obe capable also :) |
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| 10:03.53 | Sunblade | tosh|: stat |
| 10:04.36 | libpcp | i have 24 ports switch, every ports is assigned with different ip block, when i put a dhcp server on a specific ip block let say on port 1, will a dhcp client on port 2 can get an ip address ? |
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| 10:04.57 | jhai1 | crashbg: Sure, but I'm trying to find where bottlenecks are. I may need to change the hub too, but having an NFS server with a 10Mbps link cannot be good. ;-) |
| 10:06.11 | crashbg | yea, i make 10mb/s from apache2 to local pc thorugh 100mb switch which is not very bad - but with 10mb you can make 1-1.5 MB/s only |
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| 10:06.22 | crashbg | 10 MB/s :) |
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| 10:06.29 | smurfy | hi |
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| 10:06.57 | smurfy | i need program to my lan to c how each user take bandwith every day |
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| 10:07.04 | smurfy | is that possible |
| 10:07.05 | smurfy | ? |
| 10:07.13 | petemc | smurfy: ipac-ng |
| 10:07.18 | linked | bye guys |
| 10:07.22 | jm_ | IP accounting indeed |
| 10:07.24 | Nostromo^ | OT[sendmail] : is there a difference between putting domains/ips into /etc/mail/relay-domains and putting the same domains/ips as RELAY lines in /etc/mail/access? |
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| 10:07.36 | smurfy | <jm_> yes |
| 10:07.51 | smurfy | and if i can give a quota for each user per day |
| 10:07.53 | giupy_ | wich is the the cluster size by default in ext3 part ? |
| 10:07.56 | smurfy | is taht possible |
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| 10:09.32 | jm_ | giupy_: man mkfs.ext3 |
| 10:10.32 | giupy_ | jm but i have just created the partition, but i have problems under raid0 software, and my bios say me that i have 64kb cluster size, can it be that the problem ? |
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| 10:10.55 | chensin^fion | hello |
| 10:11.05 | smurfy | hello |
| 10:11.06 | chensin^fion | how to format master boot record in window xp |
| 10:11.07 | chensin^fion | ?? |
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| 10:11.27 | jm_ | giupy_: I have no idea what that is, sounds like el-cheap software raid with proprietary drivers |
| 10:11.45 | giupy_ | k |
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| 10:11.59 | umbop | chensin^fion: this is debian not winxp, but it's format /mbr |
| 10:12.11 | jm_ | I remember some dm based thing that can use those, maybe google for it |
| 10:12.24 | smurfy | fdisk /mbr |
| 10:12.51 | liable | iniit fixmbr? |
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| 10:13.02 | umbop | fixmbr will create the mbr |
| 10:13.07 | umbop | for windows |
| 10:13.09 | smurfy | is there a way to give a quota for each user per day ?? like 150 mega per day for host A |
| 10:13.13 | umbop | in windows |
| 10:13.15 | liable | right |
| 10:13.37 | jm_ | ahh dmraid |
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| 10:13.53 | jm_ | giupy_: check this http://tienstra4.flatnet.tudelft.nl/~gerte/gen2dmraid/ |
| 10:13.56 | asg | smurfy: lartc.org |
| 10:13.58 | umbop | chensin^fion: dont pvt me. if you're inside windows xp go to cmd and type format /mbr |
| 10:14.07 | smurfy | asg for shaping |
| 10:14.08 | smurfy | ok |
| 10:14.10 | umbop | erm sorry boot into dos mode |
| 10:14.25 | giupy_ | jm_ i try thanks |
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| 10:15.01 | PerfDave | smurfy: iptables should be able to log network traffic per user for outgoing connections |
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| 10:18.16 | hackeron | anyway to immediately kill a connection? -- I need to restart sendmail but there's an active connection thats been active for about 3 minutes now |
| 10:18.52 | smurfy | any one know how to configure squid ? |
| 10:18.54 | smurfy | i install it |
| 10:19.11 | smurfy | and i make config for squid.conf and it doesn;'t run |
| 10:19.28 | pureone | no errors ? |
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| 10:19.34 | petemc | smurfy: have you perused the docs? squid is very flexible, therefore it can be complicated |
| 10:19.34 | dvsdude | smurfy: and your giving me advise f__k u |
| 10:19.36 | Gaditano16 | olaaaa |
| 10:19.58 | pureone | :O |
| 10:20.05 | Gaditano16 | diegoxdrp@hotmail.com |
| 10:20.10 | Gaditano16 | illo kien ai?? |
| 10:20.11 | Gaditano16 | weeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 10:20.40 | dvsdude | what smurfy i think hes a bit sus |
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| 10:28.32 | PerfDave | !wayc smurfy |
| 10:28.33 | dpkg | smurfy: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 10:28.56 | liable | PerfDave: gone :) |
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| 10:29.22 | uczen | hi |
| 10:29.45 | dvsdude | smurfy: left as soon as i can in and had a go at him he was in squid chanell leeding people bogas website |
| 10:30.11 | liable | ah, I wondered what you was on about :) |
| 10:30.31 | coll | still haven't found a solution for ip-up.d/ and ip-down.d/ not runing my scripts. can someone shed some light? |
| 10:30.45 | j_k | coll: are permissions ok ? |
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| 10:31.11 | coll | j_k: what is 'ok'? |
| 10:31.21 | coll | they are +x and root.root owns them |
| 10:31.34 | coll | and pppd is runing as root |
| 10:31.43 | uczen | sorry |
| 10:32.07 | sep | coll: and they run when you try to run them manually ? like ./script |
| 10:32.09 | uczen | how can i connect to polish serwer irc? |
| 10:32.21 | coll | sep: yep runing just fine |
| 10:32.30 | liable | !polish |
| 10:32.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, polish is spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl |
| 10:32.40 | liable | uczen: ^^ |
| 10:32.56 | uczen | ok thx lol:P |
| 10:32.59 | j_k | coll: are they correct run-part names? ([-_a-zA-Z0-9], I think.) |
| 10:33.07 | coll | it seems like if ppp0 goes down or up, its just not calling those scripts |
| 10:33.16 | coll | j_k: yep |
| 10:33.47 | j_k | coll: what if you run /etc/ppp/ip-up manually ? |
| 10:33.48 | coll | j_k: for the sake of it, their names are 01rcfirewall and 01ipdownlog |
| 10:34.09 | coll | never tried |
| 10:34.17 | coll | i can show you the contents of it if you'd like |
| 10:35.05 | coll | it does have run-parts /etc/ppp/ip-up.d in it |
| 10:35.12 | uczen | have you seen new star wars? |
| 10:36.06 | j_k | coll: try '/etc/ppp/ip-up ppp<N> <tty> <speed> <local-address> <remote-address>' |
| 10:36.53 | j_k | coll: tty is probably something like /dev/pts/NNN if you're using pppoe, check out ps -x | grep pppoe |
| 10:37.05 | coll | im using pptp and pppd |
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| 10:38.00 | j_k | coll: it's the same, i think, run ps x to find out the tty. |
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| 10:38.32 | coll | does it matter what's in speed? |
| 10:38.51 | j_k | coll: I don't think any script uses it. |
| 10:39.14 | coll | or the ips, cause from the script im seeing that it only exports them which isnt really important |
| 10:39.16 | coll | well let me try.. |
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| 10:39.57 | j_k | coll: it's important if anything in ip-{up,down}.d uses the variable. |
| 10:40.34 | coll | nah i disabled the other scripts but here we go im giving it a try |
| 10:40.40 | uczen | can you type me link to chat channel ?" |
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| 10:41.35 | uczen | i would like to talkk\ about films music and other subjects |
| 10:41.51 | sgmihai | does debian sarge come with other kde themes than the default ? |
| 10:42.07 | coll | ok im getting some errors j_k |
| 10:42.42 | jm_ | sgmihai: apt-cache search kde theme |
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| 10:42.47 | j_k | coll: such as ? |
| 10:43.01 | liable | uczen: google |
| 10:43.19 | coll | i didnt have an #!/bin/sh in the begining of the firewall script |
| 10:43.42 | uczen | google is a net searcher |
| 10:43.43 | coll | seems like thats been my problem |
| 10:44.00 | coll | though its weird how it's runing if i do ./01rcfirewall without the #!/bin/sh in it |
| 10:44.05 | coll | isn't it j_k? |
| 10:44.12 | zophyx | google is a nut slurper |
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| 10:44.46 | uczen | i would like join to channel from this serwer |
| 10:45.05 | j_k | coll: no it's standard bash behaviour (yes, it's broken imho.) |
| 10:45.18 | coll | ok i fixed it |
| 10:45.48 | coll | so now there's just to wait and see if when ppp0 goes down it would run ip-down.d/ |
| 10:46.17 | Teemu_K | does someone here speak german |
| 10:46.23 | j_k | !de |
| 10:46.23 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 10:46.36 | Teemu_K | I just need translating help :P |
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| 10:47.03 | j_k | ah, well my german is limited to '!de', to be honest :-) |
| 10:47.23 | Teemu_K | ;) |
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| 10:47.39 | Teemu_K | but if someone know what this is in english please tellme: "Monatl. Grundpreis¤ 19,00, ab dem 4. Monat ¤ 65,00" |
| 10:47.44 | tarzeau | ich bin eine zitrone |
| 10:48.14 | tarzeau | Teemu_K: monthly base price 19.00, after the 4th month 65.00 |
| 10:48.20 | Teemu_K | errr |
| 10:48.24 | Teemu_K | thanks |
| 10:50.12 | umbop | lieben Sie den Deutschen. Seien Sie der Deutsche |
| 10:50.28 | tarzeau | will + (dpatch.make): do not reverse UNPATCHLIST that allow me to use dpatch on upstream Makefiles? |
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| 10:54.40 | Zipcat | Good morning |
| 10:54.55 | liable | morn |
| 10:55.04 | mihai_ | how do you change the default wm for every user with xfree86/debian ? |
| 10:55.18 | pea | my god |
| 10:55.25 | pea | it's 6:55 pm |
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| 10:55.48 | tarzeau | pea: it's 12:55 pm here |
| 10:55.49 | jm_ | mihai_: depends how you start X |
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| 10:55.59 | pea | oh |
| 10:56.00 | mihai_ | jm_: startx |
| 10:56.06 | tarzeau | mihai_: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 10:56.48 | pea | in .xtrinitr |
| 10:56.56 | m4lu7 | update-alternatives x-window-manager |
| 10:57.46 | Zipcat | is there a particulair reason why my fstab line "/dev/hdc1 swap swap sw 0 0" does not activate swap when I boot? |
| 10:57.53 | jm_ | mihai_: see above (it will work if you don't have x-session-manager alternative) |
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| 10:58.03 | jm_ | Zipcat: run swapon -a, see what it says |
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| 10:59.18 | tarzeau | Zipcat: you've got a swap device there? |
| 11:00.17 | Zipcat | jm_: nothing I see so far.... is there something about a 2 GB limit or is it the fact that it's a whole 'nother drive |
| 11:00.17 | jm_ | Zipcat: how big is it? did you mkswap it? |
| 11:00.20 | Zipcat | hmmm yeh I thought so... |
| 11:00.55 | Zipcat | jm_: maybe I run partman or something to look it over? |
| 11:01.06 | jm_ | Zipcat: how could partman help? |
| 11:01.17 | Zipcat | I don't know |
| 11:02.01 | mihai_ | jm_ i don't get it, which file must i edit ? |
| 11:02.06 | jm_ | mkswap it, use swapon /dev/hdc1 - be careful so that you won't destroy some other partitions |
| 11:02.12 | jm_ | mihai_: <m4lu7> update-alternatives x-window-manager |
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| 11:03.11 | mihai_ | jm_ it says x-window-manager is an unknown arugment |
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| 11:04.49 | pea | mihai_:~/.xinitr |
| 11:05.25 | liable | mihai_: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 11:06.14 | mihai_ | metacity is what ? |
| 11:07.11 | Guerin | a windowmanager |
| 11:07.52 | mihai_ | hmm, i just want kde instead of gnome on my user when i do startx :/ |
| 11:08.36 | Guerin | mihai_: edit xinitrc or .xsession and add exec /usr/bin/startkde |
| 11:08.58 | pea | mihai_: try edit ~/.xinitr ? |
| 11:09.01 | dvsdude | any aussie users here working in education dept |
| 11:09.04 | Guerin | xinitrc |
| 11:09.28 | mihai_ | is it .xinitrc or .xinit for xfree86 ? |
| 11:09.33 | dvsdude | join edna |
| 11:09.42 | pea | .xinitrc |
| 11:09.49 | jm_ | mihai_: --config |
| 11:09.51 | crashbg | howto put "pause" line in sh script? |
| 11:10.03 | jm_ | mihai_: man startx |
| 11:10.04 | crashbg | like "press any button to continue" in windows |
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| 11:10.52 | mihai_ | ok, got it thanks |
| 11:10.57 | Guerin | crashbg: #bash |
| 11:11.01 | pea | ;) |
| 11:11.32 | crashbg | man bash /wait = nothing :) |
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| 11:12.07 | caphuso | crashbg: /read |
| 11:12.35 | Zipcat | jm_: what util should I use to asses ... |
| 11:12.51 | Guerin | to do what to asses? |
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| 11:13.01 | jm_ | Zipcat: see above, mkswap+swapon |
| 11:13.14 | Zipcat | jm_: mt sorry I hit return too fast |
| 11:13.25 | Zipcat | tnks for help btw :) |
| 11:13.28 | holycow | guys, how would i grep with -R a large directory for only names of files with *.ext file extension? only showing the found files? |
| 11:13.42 | holycow | i'm having a hard time finding a google reference to such a search with grep? |
| 11:13.46 | jm_ | holo: find,xargs,grep |
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| 11:13.54 | jm_ | holycow ^^^^^^^ |
| 11:15.10 | holycow | ah! |
| 11:15.12 | holycow | thanks |
| 11:15.15 | PerfDave | holycow: You want to grep for a string only inside files with a .ext extension? |
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| 11:15.32 | holycow | nope, just file name that ends in that and path |
| 11:15.44 | holycow | no grepping of file contents |
| 11:15.48 | PerfDave | holycow: then grep is the wrong tool. |
| 11:15.54 | jm_ | ahh tne just find |
| 11:15.55 | PerfDave | holycow: "find" is all you need |
| 11:15.58 | holycow | oh that would explain it, find seems right |
| 11:16.00 | PerfDave | find . -name '*.ext' |
| 11:16.02 | holycow | *nod* :) |
| 11:16.49 | darkness | Can you run a seperate linux kernel under debian eg / build and install a UML in skas mode? |
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| 11:17.42 | PerfDave | darkness: apt-cache search uml |
| 11:18.06 | darkness | Cheers perfDave. |
| 11:18.14 | iveqy | hi, can anyone tell me how to change the resolution of the terminal, in ubuntu? |
| 11:18.21 | PerfDave | iveqy: #ubuntu |
| 11:18.51 | iveqy | PerfDave well ok, althoug I though it was the same in debian and ubuntu... |
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| 11:19.07 | holycow | oh find command is great |
| 11:19.09 | holycow | thx! |
| 11:19.21 | PerfDave | iveqy: #ubuntu |
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| 11:21.01 | HansZ | Hi folks |
| 11:21.03 | wooden | hi |
| 11:21.03 | HansZ | :D |
| 11:21.14 | wooden | ive build a chroot environment |
| 11:21.22 | HansZ | Is it 'normal' that in #debian.nl there aint nobody? |
| 11:21.23 | pea | so many fans ,774 in chat room |
| 11:21.42 | wooden | how to "teach" ps aux (proc) to only listen the chroot user processes? |
| 11:21.54 | HansZ | wooden, grep? |
| 11:22.04 | wooden | grep? |
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| 11:22.09 | wooden | i want only in |
| 11:22.22 | HansZ | wooden, ps aux | grep username |
| 11:22.24 | wooden | in /proc in the chroot the processes from the chrooted user |
| 11:22.28 | wooden | o |
| 11:22.34 | wooden | but i dont want this |
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| 11:22.40 | jm_ | HansZ: maybe they're all smoking pot or taking care of tulips or rotating the windmills |
| 11:22.55 | HansZ | jm_, well they don't even exist in the room.. it's empty |
| 11:23.08 | pea | haha |
| 11:23.10 | jm_ | HansZ: yes, they're all out due to above reasons |
| 11:23.21 | HansZ | jm_, stfu =P |
| 11:23.28 | pea | all going to bed |
| 11:23.34 | wooden | i mean: i want only for the chrooted user a /proc for him self, without the system processes |
| 11:23.36 | supaman | why does octave only plot the first two columns in the following matrix: b = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5; 2, 3, 4, 5, 6], I use gplot [0:5] [0:10] b with lines to plot it |
| 11:23.37 | wooden | only the user processes |
| 11:23.39 | sep | HansZ: maybe becouse many in .nl understand english and therfore prefer to stay in here ? i assume that's the reason #debian.no is emthy aswell |
| 11:23.54 | HansZ | sep, yea that could be |
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| 11:24.14 | HansZ | sep, but it's just 'nice' to talk to ppl from the same country |
| 11:24.40 | _oc | Are there any backports versions available anywhere for ant 1.6.x or maven 1.0.1 for woody? |
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| 11:25.04 | PerfDave | _oc: http://www.backports.org/ ? |
| 11:26.38 | HansZ | lol it's really wonderfull how fast a 120mhz processor can be |
| 11:27.32 | _oc | PerfDave: checked it.. doesnt have |
| 11:27.56 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 11:27.58 | sep | wooden: i dont think that's possible, since /proc is kernel information, and there is only 1 kernel running, and you will see that kernels /proc no matter where your root is |
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| 11:28.13 | HansZ | holycow: what we're you in your prevourise life? |
| 11:28.33 | wooden | sep: i speak about a proc in a chroot |
| 11:28.50 | sep | wooden: if you need compleate separation, i guess youll have to look at vmware/xml/uml or similar |
| 11:28.50 | wooden | a option by mountink like only this users processes |
| 11:28.54 | wooden | i know |
| 11:28.59 | wooden | u |
| 11:29.09 | holycow | okay obviously backups are more important than recovery tools, but what journaling file system has known decent file recovery tools for deleted files? i'm having a hard time getting reiser to recover anything remotely close to what i know should be on the partition |
| 11:29.10 | Guerin | why do you want to hid system processes from a user? |
| 11:29.28 | holycow | HansZ, heh |
| 11:29.32 | PerfDave | _oc: Backport it yourself? |
| 11:29.34 | wooden | its not for interest for other |
| 11:29.49 | wooden | and nobody must know what is all running :) |
| 11:30.02 | jm_ | wooden: or use kernel patches like RSBAC or even grsecurity |
| 11:30.04 | holycow | by 'decent' i mean something an experienced user can recommend safely |
| 11:30.05 | dpryo | wooden: Are you trying to hide a backdoor? |
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| 11:30.12 | Gathond | wooden: you could use grsecurity (grsecurity.net) |
| 11:30.12 | HansZ | wooden: are you trying to hide your pr0n processes :P |
| 11:30.16 | wooden | dpryo: no |
| 11:30.20 | dpryo | :D |
| 11:30.26 | sep | holycow: i thought that journaly made it difficult for recoverytools by design. or i may just be way off |
| 11:30.26 | wooden | its my own server |
| 11:30.52 | Gathond | wooden: that supports making /proc/PID's being readable only by the user + root + a special group on the system |
| 11:30.52 | holycow | sep, that may be a valid point, i'm not certain at this time, vaguely that makes some sense |
| 11:30.58 | Guerin | wooden: you haven't answered the question |
| 11:31.00 | _oc | PerfDave: How do I backport it myself? |
| 11:31.21 | holycow | i have a user that deleted all their files and they swear they didn't put the files in the trash bin and empty it |
| 11:31.27 | _oc | backport? |
| 11:31.29 | wooden | Guerin: i want to hide all processes from the "real linux" for the chrooted user |
| 11:31.29 | PerfDave | _oc: /msg dpkg backport |
| 11:31.37 | _oc | thanks |
| 11:31.38 | Guerin | wooden: but WHY? |
| 11:31.43 | holycow | either way some semblance of the files should exist somewhere i think |
| 11:31.48 | sgmihai | why is the mozilla firefox i got with apt-get 1.0.3 ? |
| 11:31.52 | PerfDave | wooden: I doubt you can do that. The processes are running on the same kernel. UML would probably do that. |
| 11:31.55 | PerfDave | sgmihai: Why shouldn't it be? |
| 11:32.04 | wooden | i want only view the chrooted user his own processes |
| 11:32.04 | Guerin | holycow: unmount the filesystem if you can - you might have some luck with debugfs |
| 11:32.04 | sgmihai | because the latest is 1.0.4 |
| 11:32.10 | Guerin | wooden: but WHY? |
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| 11:32.22 | wooden | security like this |
| 11:32.26 | PerfDave | sgmihai: Are you running Sarge? |
| 11:32.28 | wooden | and is better for the other guys |
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| 11:32.32 | sep | holycow: i guess modify your rm command to mv to a _DELETED_ directory, and have a cron that purges 2 months old files, might be an solution.. but only if you like pain.. just have good backups with an easy to access method |
| 11:32.33 | Guerin | wooden: but WHY do you only want him to see his own processes? What security are you planning on gaining? |
| 11:32.42 | sgmihai | PerfDave: yes |
| 11:32.43 | PerfDave | sgmihai: 1.0.4 won't be getting into Sarge, because it's frozen. The security fix will be backported to 1.0.3 |
| 11:32.48 | Gathond | wooden: but there is only one real linux, the chroot is a filesystem limitation not a kernel one |
| 11:34.18 | wooden | Guerin: sry my english suxx .. but i want it :> |
| 11:34.18 | Gathond | wooden: you might be able to use UML though |
| 11:34.18 | holycow | sep, *sigh* yeah hindsight is always 20/20 |
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| 11:34.19 | sgmihai | PerfDave: what is exactly "frozen" ? |
| 11:34.19 | sep | holycow: ohh.. you already deleted something .. |
| 11:34.19 | wooden | is there a proc mount option for mount only this users procs? |
| 11:34.19 | jm_ | no |
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| 11:34.19 | wooden | hm |
| 11:34.19 | holycow | not me, the users deleted their own workfiles |
| 11:34.19 | holycow | it's not tragic, i just hate not being able to recover a single usefull file |
| 11:34.19 | Guerin | there are so many people who want to do really hard and impractical things which actually yield no security benefit - all in the name of security. Like the guy who wanted to stop his users from using 'su' |
| 11:34.19 | PerfDave | sgmihai: It means that it's about to release. No new packages will get in unless they fix RC bugs. |
| 11:34.19 | Gathond | wooden: there is no such thing as a users proc, /proc is an interface tokernel information |
| 11:34.20 | PerfDave | wooden: If you want to do what you're trying to do, use UML and not a chroot. |
| 11:34.22 | wooden | but i know its possible to make what i want |
| 11:34.27 | sep | holycow: the amiga AFS/PFS filesystem was never ported to *nix was it ? |
| 11:34.28 | wooden | what ways can i go? |
| 11:34.32 | Guerin | !possible |
| 11:34.32 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 11:34.57 | wooden | one moment, coffee :> |
| 11:35.08 | PerfDave | wooden: Rewrite the kernel yourself to support whatever crack addled thing it is that you're trying to do, or use UML. |
| 11:35.14 | PerfDave | wooden: I think you've had enough coffee ;p |
| 11:35.19 | Guerin | hah |
| 11:35.21 | Gathond | wooden: User mode linux, as have been stated several times now, that way every virtual machine will run its own kernel and therefore have its own /proc |
| 11:35.34 | holycow | sep, i found a clever idea too, setup hd in question as slave to another machine, dd an image of the partition in need of recovery, then reiserfsck --rebuild-tree on the image file |
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| 11:36.06 | holycow | later you can just mount the dd's partition image file which is what i'm searching now but not finding any reconstructed stuff |
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| 11:36.55 | holycow | usefull, infact its missing stuff in various directories which begs the question of why, but thats more a topic for hans's 25$ help line i think :) |
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| 11:43.05 | wooden | must i patch the kernel for uml? |
| 11:44.08 | Guerin | wooden: you have a lot of reading about UML |
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| 11:45.46 | sgmihai | i want to install an xmms plugin, xmms-musepack on debian any ideas where to find it ? |
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| 11:46.04 | Mage\work | sgmihai: rarewares |
| 11:46.11 | PerfDave | sgmihai: /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:46.21 | asg | wooden: the grsecurity patches will allow a person to only see their processes (if that's what you mentioned above) |
| 11:46.26 | jethro | since when does one get version requests when connecting to freenode IRC network? |
| 11:46.51 | Mage\work | sgmihai: http://rarewares.org/ |
| 11:46.54 | PerfDave | jethro: Since fairly recently, I believe. |
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| 11:47.01 | Guerin | jethro: noticed it a few days or a week ago |
| 11:47.07 | wooden | when i want a little linux enivronment with own proc(only this user processes) and and tools, whats the best way? |
| 11:47.18 | Guerin | UML!!!1 |
| 11:47.21 | Guerin | ffs |
| 11:47.23 | wooden | asg: can i use the grsecurity only in a chroot? |
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| 11:47.30 | Guerin | wooden: NO |
| 11:47.31 | asg | wooden: no |
| 11:47.31 | jethro | PerfDave: I noticed it today only, but stood like a month without being disconnected, so that might explain why |
| 11:47.31 | wooden | ok |
| 11:47.43 | Guerin | wooden: understand: chroot is a FILESYSTEM thing, NOT a kernel thing |
| 11:47.48 | Gathond | wooden: no, it is a kernel patch, and a chroot does not start a new kernel, UML however does |
| 11:47.56 | wooden | Guerin: yes, ok |
| 11:48.24 | sgmihai | Mage\work: i found the package name xmms-musepack on rarewares.org but there is no download link :/ |
| 11:48.25 | jethro | uml hosts get fucking slow as time goes on |
| 11:48.41 | asg | jethro: I've had good luck with them so far |
| 11:48.55 | Guerin | my texas box is a UML, and it owns |
| 11:49.02 | Guerin | I need some more ram, though |
| 11:49.10 | jethro | asg: I ve had one running for 200 days now, and it takes like a minute to ssh to it the first time, then gets a bit faster if you reconnect within a few minutes |
| 11:49.26 | jethro | asg: prolly a swap/memory issue |
| 11:49.30 | jethro | asg: but boring anyway :) |
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| 11:49.46 | asg | jethro: never had that problem. I run 11 uml instances on a single HS20 |
| 11:49.47 | wooden | whats the good thing on a virtual server? |
| 11:49.48 | asg | $ ps ax | wc -l |
| 11:49.48 | asg | 813 |
| 11:49.51 | asg | jethro: ^^^ |
| 11:50.03 | TinoW | wooden: its virtual |
| 11:50.06 | sgmihai | so how do i get xmms-musepack ? |
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| 11:50.30 | Guerin | !rarewares |
| 11:50.31 | dpkg | from memory, rarewares is a repository for many media apps. http://rarewares.org. Sid packages in deb http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable ./ or deb http://feayn.org/~lewis/rarewares/unstable ./ |
| 11:50.37 | Guerin | rarewares owns |
| 11:50.51 | jethro | asg: then it's a hardware issue, the host is some duron 500 with 1G of ram |
| 11:51.18 | asg | jethro: well, this is a 2x3.2GHz / 4G box |
| 11:51.21 | jethro | :D |
| 11:51.39 | jethro | then uml hosts get slow on low end hardware |
| 11:51.45 | asg | jethro: /dev/sdb2 98G 60G 33G 65% /vol1 |
| 11:51.47 | Guerin | yeah, mine is a 2x2.4/2G, and it's got 8 virtuals ( I believe) |
| 11:51.58 | asg | jethro: and that's SAN storage |
| 11:52.10 | jethro | asg: what is a san storage? |
| 11:52.12 | jethro | sdb2 ? |
| 11:52.23 | asg | jethro: fiber attached storage |
| 11:52.37 | jethro | asg: you mean this /vol1 is on a SAN ? I don't get your point |
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| 11:52.55 | asg | jethro: the whole thing is on SAN, /vol1 is where the uml images live. |
| 11:53.02 | asg | Guerin: you run 2.4 or 2.6 on the host? |
| 11:53.15 | jethro | ah ok |
| 11:53.34 | Guerin | asg: 2.4 |
| 11:53.40 | Guerin | asg: I'm not the admin, just a client |
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| 11:53.47 | asg | ah |
| 11:54.36 | holycow | thanks for the help guys |
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| 11:55.55 | pea | 8-) |
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| 11:57.11 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - can somebody tell me how i can get a newer kernel headers package for sarge? |
| 11:57.20 | jethro | !newer |
| 11:57.23 | sgmihai | god damn ths is annoying, i installed xmms-musepack.X.X.deb it said it needed libmusepack2 i found a .deb file 2 for that and when i tried to install it needed a newer version of libc6, and when i did apt-get install libc6 it said it's the newest version GOD DAMN IT |
| 11:57.47 | jethro | Super_Cat_Frog: you use debian kernel images? |
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| 11:58.00 | Super_Cat_Frog | jethro - yes |
| 11:58.46 | Guerin | sgmihai: those packages are built against debian sid - you're probably running debian sarge, which is wise. |
| 11:58.51 | floe | sgmihai: Learn to use apt :) |
| 11:58.58 | sgmihai | !sid |
| 11:58.58 | dpkg | [sid] the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 11:58.59 | Guerin | sgmihai: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 11:59.24 | sgmihai | oh |
| 11:59.28 | sgmihai | wtf am i using ? |
| 11:59.37 | Guerin | sgmihai: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 11:59.41 | jethro | sgmihai: check you sources.list |
| 11:59.44 | floe | sgmhihai: You could use pinning as an alternative... see the apt howto. |
| 11:59.49 | Guerin | floe: NO |
| 11:59.58 | Guerin | don't be telling people to get libc6 from sid |
| 12:00.10 | Guerin | a backport is the only sane option here |
| 12:00.18 | sgmihai | it says it is 3.1 |
| 12:00.19 | jethro | Guerin: that won't help, both have the same debian_version iirc |
| 12:00.22 | sgmihai | i knew, it's sarge |
| 12:00.31 | sgmihai | but what's the difference between unstable and testing ? |
| 12:00.36 | jethro | sgmihai: grep sarge|testing in sources.list |
| 12:00.38 | Guerin | jethro: he's clearly not running sid, because those packages are borking at an old libc |
| 12:00.52 | Guerin | sgmihai: several weeks, at the moment |
| 12:01.00 | floe | sgmihai: Or use (k)ubuntu... nice distro so far. |
| 12:01.01 | jethro | Guerin: you were just making sure he's not running woody? |
| 12:01.06 | jethro | floe: stfu |
| 12:01.16 | Guerin | jethro: yeah |
| 12:01.23 | jethro | aight my bad then |
| 12:01.35 | sgmihai | sid is unstable or testing ? |
| 12:01.40 | jethro | unstable |
| 12:01.44 | Guerin | floe: yeah, because THAT has xmms-musepack |
| 12:01.51 | sgmihai | why do you people make this so confusing ? :P |
| 12:02.03 | sgmihai | so i have what, unstable or testing ? |
| 12:02.13 | jethro | sgmihai: what does sources.list say ? |
| 12:02.14 | PerfDave | sgmihai: Sarge == testing (currently). |
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| 12:02.20 | PerfDave | sgmihai: Sid == unstable (always) |
| 12:02.25 | liable | hehe, testing now, soon to be stable :) |
| 12:02.38 | wooden | u think sarge goes stable this month? |
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| 12:02.47 | PerfDave | sgmihai: The xmms-musepack .deb you have is for Sid, not Sarge. You can backport it against Sarge, or ask the provider of the .deb to do that for you. |
| 12:02.47 | sgmihai | oh, i downloaded something called debian-testing.. blalblabla.iso |
| 12:02.57 | PerfDave | sgmihai: You do *not* want to run Sid. |
| 12:03.02 | Guerin | sgmihai: apt-get install build-essential xmms-dev auto-apt ; then get the source packages for both libmusepack2 and xmms-musepack |
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| 12:03.04 | streuner | wooden: wir |
| 12:03.07 | floe | jethro: did i offend you? |
| 12:03.10 | jethro | sgmihai: then you're running sarge |
| 12:03.15 | Guerin | sgmihai: when you've done that, let me know |
| 12:03.17 | wooden | dont usw sid then u are realy long/forever unstable |
| 12:03.20 | wooden | i was sid user |
| 12:03.22 | wooden | now sarge |
| 12:03.34 | streuner | floe: don't tell people to use other distros here |
| 12:03.47 | sgmihai | Guerin: care to explain that command to me ? |
| 12:03.53 | pea | streuner: haha |
| 12:03.54 | jethro | floe: in a way, yes. please save us from your pointless comments about the libc, or the use of other distros. reply with usefull answers, or stfu |
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| 12:03.58 | wooden | streuner: was? |
| 12:04.01 | RichiH | is there a central place to see what licence a particular program is under? |
| 12:04.15 | streuner | wooden: when its ready (wir) |
| 12:04.18 | RichiH | rancid is listed as non-free, but what licence does it place there? |
| 12:04.19 | pea | i'm not a bebian user |
| 12:04.20 | Guerin | sgmihai: it installs some development programs; you're going to have to build thes two things from source |
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| 12:04.31 | streuner | RichiH: changelog, README? |
| 12:04.38 | wooden | streuner: naja hab da halt was auf heise gelesen :) das der plan steht diesen monat es evtl zu releasen |
| 12:04.46 | jethro | !de |
| 12:04.46 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 12:04.55 | wooden | sry :=) |
| 12:05.01 | RichiH | streuner: i would prefer not to install sth just to know its licence |
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| 12:05.02 | streuner | wooden: english please, /msg dpkg sarge frozen |
| 12:05.09 | RichiH | streuner: so i was asking if there is a general way |
| 12:05.15 | Zipcat | jm_: ok i do swapon /dev/hdc1 results in Device or resource busy |
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| 12:05.18 | jethro | RichiH: check on pdo |
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| 12:05.20 | streuner | RichiH: check out pdo |
| 12:05.20 | sgmihai | Guerin: so i should libmpcdec or libmusepack ? |
| 12:05.28 | Guerin | RichiH: look it up on apt-cache show |
| 12:05.34 | Guerin | sgmihai: both |
| 12:05.45 | jm_ | Zipcat: can you even read from that device? |
| 12:05.55 | sgmihai | Guerin: that can't be |
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| 12:06.03 | Guerin | sgmihai: why not? |
| 12:06.18 | sgmihai | Guerin: there's xmms-musepack and libmcdec or libmusepack |
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| 12:06.24 | RichiH | Guerin: IT DOES ONY SAY NON-FREE |
| 12:06.26 | RichiH | oups |
| 12:06.26 | jethro | RichiH: as for the original question, I don't know if there is a central place maintained by debian to track licences |
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| 12:06.36 | Blissex | RichiH: just donwload the sources... |
| 12:06.37 | Guerin | sgmihai: ok, get the xmms plugin and the lib |
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| 12:06.46 | Guerin | RichiH: there's no website? |
| 12:06.47 | jethro | RichiH: you might have to check each and every project website |
| 12:06.55 | sgmihai | Guerin: there are 2 libs, one newer and one older, which should i get? |
| 12:07.10 | streuner | RichiH: it shouldn't be that HARD to download the source code, shouldn't it, apart from openoffice or such... |
| 12:07.11 | Zipcat | jm_: when I cfdisk I see it as hdc1 swap |
| 12:07.11 | Guerin | sgmihai: whichever one the previous install option asked for |
| 12:07.15 | jethro | Blissex: the point was to avoid browsing each project's website or dig through the source code I assume |
| 12:07.17 | floe | jethro: stay cool... I just offered an alternative. He could have a look into pinning anyway... so stay polite pls, as I did. And if he cannot even inteprete that "simple" apt message maybe kubuntu is an option for him. |
| 12:07.19 | Guerin | libmusepack2, I think |
| 12:07.35 | Zipcat | jm_: what read test should I do? |
| 12:07.40 | Guerin | floe: pinning is objectively the wrong suggestion for this problem. |
| 12:07.49 | jethro | floe: you deserve another stfu which I m gladly offering |
| 12:08.01 | Guerin | floe: and you miss the point that UBUNTU DOES NOT HAVE THE PROGRAM HE WANTS |
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| 12:08.05 | Blissex | floe: you are dreaming :-) |
| 12:08.06 | RichiH | Blissex, streuner: i did not say it was hard or impossible. in fact, i will do so. but i wondered if there was a central resource |
| 12:08.07 | revenger | hmm why does timeout -9 1 sh -c "sleep 5" return 0? |
| 12:08.16 | streuner | RichiH: hm |
| 12:08.51 | Guerin | RichiH: changelogs and so on are on pdo |
| 12:08.59 | streuner | RichiH: or just go the download - site - there should be the info as well |
| 12:09.43 | floe | Guerin: I got that... my point was about polite manners now. |
| 12:10.09 | jethro | floe: telling someone to use kubuntu because he's not smart enough is not being very pleasant either |
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| 12:10.27 | streuner | specially if you are in #debian |
| 12:10.36 | sgmihai | checking for taglib-config... no |
| 12:10.36 | sgmihai | configure: error: *** Taglib not installed - please install first |
| 12:10.36 | sgmihai | what to do Guerin ? |
| 12:11.10 | jethro | floe: now it'd be very kind of you to put all this behind us, and stop the complaints AND the lame answers. |
| 12:11.24 | RichiH | streuner: true, but i did not find anything above a prosa version of the licence |
| 12:11.27 | jm_ | Zipcat: dd will be OK |
| 12:11.31 | RichiH | but /me will just dig a bit |
| 12:11.47 | Guerin | sgmihai: what specifically did you run? |
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| 12:12.21 | sgmihai | Guerin: i compiled libmpcdec and after that xmms-musepack, and it gave me that error |
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| 12:13.13 | Owner | I am an Owner! |
| 12:13.28 | solemnwarning | i ran a2enmod suexec but cgi scripts on my apche2 server are still being run as www-data |
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| 12:13.37 | solemnwarning | any1 know wtf is going on? |
| 12:13.50 | floe | jethro: I didn't say anything about his intelligence. Maybe he's just a beginner and has to learn... If you think debian is a beginner distro... okay. And yes I can be so kind if you if you can... |
| 12:13.56 | eusto | is there a debian mirror for ati drivers? |
| 12:14.16 | Guerin | sgmihai: you want to compile the debianised sources. wait. |
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| 12:15.37 | jethro | floe: "And if he cannot even inteprete that "simple" apt message maybe kubuntu is an option for him." sorry but I read this as "let the retard use kubuntu or windows", no matter what you can say. now if you think debian is a distro for the elite, then okay. shall we stop now? |
| 12:15.57 | streuner | RichiH: BSD |
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| 12:17.49 | Guerin | sgmihai: you need libtag1-dev |
| 12:18.13 | peterS | Owner: no, you aren't |
| 12:18.25 | Owner | am too! |
| 12:18.30 | Guerin | Owner: prove it |
| 12:18.32 | floe | jethtro: Thats why I put simple into " ". Because it's indeed hard to read and understand... If you want to see me just as a smart aleck do that. Just wanted to help. |
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| 12:18.41 | Owner | well, I own my box |
| 12:18.49 | peterS | Owner: no, *I* own your box |
| 12:18.49 | Guerin | you think you do |
| 12:18.57 | peterS | you just haven't figured that out yet |
| 12:19.03 | Owner | lol |
| 12:19.13 | jethro | heh |
| 12:19.17 | Guerin | two kinds of people: those who've been owned, and those who think they haven't been owned. |
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| 12:19.46 | streuner | haha |
| 12:19.53 | Guerin | i don't think i haven't not been owned |
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| 12:20.14 | peterS | !guerin++ |
| 12:20.16 | Owner | my personal box has never been "owned" |
| 12:20.21 | Guerin | sure buddy |
| 12:20.24 | Guerin | whatever you say |
| 12:20.25 | Owner | but the servers at work are all the time |
| 12:20.25 | jethro | I ve been owned once, and I do my best not to let it happen again :) |
| 12:20.26 | Owner | hehehe |
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| 12:20.38 | Cope | ~karma Guerin |
| 12:20.38 | apt | guerin has neutral karma |
| 12:20.38 | Owner | that'sbecause they run mandrake on their servers |
| 12:20.41 | Owner | with default settings |
| 12:20.43 | peterS | Owner: do you have a manual? |
| 12:20.43 | J_P | hi all!!!! |
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| 12:20.49 | peterS | Owner: I hear about your manual all the time |
| 12:20.55 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:20.57 | peterS | Owner: as in, "read Owner's manual" |
| 12:20.58 | jethro | Owner: debian systems can get owned as well |
| 12:21.00 | Owner | ya, I rote it |
| 12:21.00 | Guerin | never read the damn thing, though |
| 12:21.05 | Owner | or smote it |
| 12:21.17 | thegraham | How do I setup exim4 to use authenticated SMTP by user/password and allow relay from these hosts? |
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| 12:21.41 | jethro | thegraham: cd /usr/share/doc/exim4/ and read :) |
| 12:21.54 | asg | thegraham: there are examples in /etc/exim4/* and the spec fully documents the process. |
| 12:21.59 | RichiH | streuner: oh, thanks :) |
| 12:22.35 | jethro | gah our outgoing MX is fucked _again_ .. |
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| 12:23.11 | peterS | jethro: you should ping the Owner, make him fix it |
| 12:23.23 | jethro | !curse bloatus croaks and domino |
| 12:23.23 | dpkg | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, bloatus croaks and domino! |
| 12:23.38 | jethro | we should just change our MTAs and MUAs that's all |
| 12:23.41 | peterS | bloatus croaks and domino - is that a law firm? |
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| 12:23.44 | togs | thegraham: decent guide here, even if I never got exim4 workinng :) http://tinyurl.com/dgwzp |
| 12:23.48 | jethro | bloatus croaks is lotus notes |
| 12:24.03 | peterS | it shares initials with binary coded decimal, I note |
| 12:24.10 | asg | peterS: domino was the name of Bond Girl |
| 12:24.11 | Guerin | peterS: geek |
| 12:24.18 | jethro | asg: hah |
| 12:24.27 | peterS | Guerin: guilty as charged, I guess |
| 12:24.28 | jethro | I wish it were this particular domino then :) |
| 12:24.38 | peterS | asg: guess I missed that movie |
| 12:24.44 | thegraham | togs: thanks |
| 12:24.54 | streuner | RichiH: /j #flood |
| 12:24.55 | jethro | wasn't it live and let die? |
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| 12:25.22 | peterS | I can't keep any of the bond girls straight. except octo, who got a movie named after her, I suppose |
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| 12:25.43 | asg | peterS: Thunderball and it's crappy cousin Never Say Never Again. |
| 12:25.52 | Guerin | i never did, either |
| 12:25.53 | jethro | was thunderball actually |
| 12:25.55 | greycat | !apostrophesmite asg |
| 12:25.56 | thegraham | togs: that doesn't explain authenticaed smtp, i've got exim4 installed and working |
| 12:25.59 | Guerin | i've seen most of the movies once |
| 12:26.13 | asg | greycat: you didn't spend a lot of time dealing with British television (before sky and such) |
| 12:26.15 | Guerin | but honestly, the only thing they're much good for is playing the Bond Drinking Game |
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| 12:26.24 | d33p | es |
| 12:26.26 | jethro | Guerin: what is it? |
| 12:26.29 | peterS | how many bond movies have there been? I suppose I've seen a dozen or so, at one time or another |
| 12:26.38 | jethro | peterS: I d even say around 20 |
| 12:26.44 | greycat | asg: I think I can safely say I haven't spent *any* time dealing with British television, except for shows that got transported across the pond |
| 12:26.59 | asg | greycat: right, those are the good ones. |
| 12:27.01 | togs | thegraham, I only wanted to receive mail, I use my ISP SMTP, sorry man :) |
| 12:27.10 | togs | still a good read though |
| 12:27.15 | jethro | peterS: sounds like it's exactly 20 |
| 12:27.34 | peterS | and how many Bonds? is it 3 or 4? |
| 12:27.34 | Guerin | jethro: drink anytime the following happen: Bond says "Bond... James Bond" ; Bond comes up with cheezy innuendo ; Bond stays chipper in the face of certain death ; anyone specifies that it must be Bond because of the Walther PPK ; etc |
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| 12:27.48 | Guerin | jethro: basically anytime anything Bond(TM) happens |
| 12:27.50 | greycat | peterS: 3 that I can name. probably one more earlier. |
| 12:27.54 | jethro | haha |
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| 12:28.08 | asg | Guerin: you would be sloshed within a few minutes. |
| 12:28.12 | jethro | Guerin: reminds me on a similar game with soccer players |
| 12:28.20 | Guerin | asg: our record is three movies |
| 12:28.25 | jethro | in a row? |
| 12:28.26 | peterS | asg: those martinis, shaken not stirred, would start to add up, yeah |
| 12:28.27 | Guerin | asg: we're hardcore :) |
| 12:28.29 | fwe | any help for anjuta on this channel? |
| 12:28.35 | asg | Guerin: apparently. |
| 12:28.36 | jethro | damn hardcore |
| 12:28.43 | asg | peterS: agreed |
| 12:29.14 | Guerin | i drank my korean teachers and bosses under the table and whupped them at pool the other night - they're all 40something year-old men, and were ashamed |
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| 12:29.34 | peterS | hehe |
| 12:29.37 | peterS | nice going, Guerin |
| 12:29.39 | asg | Guerin: making friends as usual? |
| 12:29.44 | jethro | hah |
| 12:30.06 | Wuffi600 | hi. |
| 12:30.09 | greycat | fwe: isn't that some sort of java thing? if so, ask #java... |
| 12:30.11 | Guerin | yeah |
| 12:30.27 | Guerin | 1700-0100 on a work night |
| 12:30.48 | fwe | greycat: it's an IDE for C, C++ |
| 12:30.52 | streuner | with sake? |
| 12:31.20 | Guerin | streuner: soju. sake is for wussy japs |
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| 12:31.42 | Guerin | streuner: soju is basically cheap, sweetish, weakish vodka, and it's drunk in shots |
| 12:31.46 | Stral | fwe: maybe the gnome guys could help |
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| 12:32.22 | fwe | Stral: thanks I'l try |
| 12:32.25 | streuner | Guerin: based on potatoes? |
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| 12:32.45 | jethro | .I have found that, while the actual drinking of soju creates quite a bit of a glow and generates a convivial bonhomie amongst those partaking at the time (as long as you can get past the taste), the next morning feels like the local monsoons have taken residence in the lower regions of your stomach, and your head is about to spontaneously explode, or implode, or at the very least cease to remain a functioning whole, and the room has taken on a cubist q |
| 12:32.59 | K_Dallas | Hi_guys! How do I change the resolution of GDM? it is way higher than my own desktop? thanks |
| 12:33.06 | jethro | sounds like you want to try soju |
| 12:33.07 | peterS | jethro: oh my |
| 12:34.00 | peterS | K_Dallas: that'll be the default resolution in your XF86Config-4 file. I don't *think* you can influence this with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' but you might be able |
| 12:34.02 | Guerin | streuner: rice and spuds and various other vegetables, yeah |
| 12:34.14 | greycat | "rice is a vegetable"? |
| 12:34.23 | Guerin | sure it is |
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| 12:34.41 | peterS | K_Dallas: if you can't, what you'll want to do is switch around the resolution definitions in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, Section "Screen", SubSection "Display" |
| 12:34.49 | kneet | Thought rice was a grain (and now that I think about it - are grains vegetables?) |
| 12:34.50 | greycat | on the US food pyramid, it would be on the grains layer. |
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| 12:34.56 | directhex|work | peterS, dpkg-reconfigure sets the highest resolution you pick as default |
| 12:34.59 | peterS | K_Dallas: the first one listed in a Modes line there is the default resolution |
| 12:35.05 | peterS | directhex|work: right, that's what I thought it did |
| 12:35.07 | Guerin | soju's great stuff. A bunch of people whine about the hangover, but they're the same sort of people who get a hangover from anything. |
| 12:35.09 | streuner | http://www.sogang.ac.kr/~burns/cult951/korliq.html |
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| 12:35.12 | K_Dallas | peterS, the only way i can change it is to set the highest resolution in the config file to lets say 800-600 |
| 12:35.18 | jethro | Guerin: :) |
| 12:35.26 | K_Dallas | i see, thanks |
| 12:35.27 | Guerin | the main thing which makes soju is that it's taken in BIG shots, and it can sneak up on you |
| 12:35.34 | K_Dallas | going to change that |
| 12:35.36 | jethro | Guerin: http://landofsoju.netfirms.com/soju.htm this guy is not helping soju have a good reputation |
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| 12:36.03 | peterS | K_Dallas: it may or may not actually help. thinking more about it, if the root window size doesn't change (and it won't), gdm won't be centered properly on screen |
| 12:36.08 | drac | K_Dallas: Your monitor hsync and vrefr rates in dpkg-rec.. are important too. |
| 12:36.13 | Guerin | ok, there are some big misconceptions on there |
| 12:36.22 | peterS | drac: bah, he has those right already, I suspect |
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| 12:36.34 | eka | hi all |
| 12:36.43 | Guerin | soju isn't all that potent: 20-35% abv, well under standard spirits, and about 1/2-1/3 still strength |
| 12:36.45 | eka | someone with sendmail know-how? |
| 12:36.53 | drac | peterS: Or he's using dpkg-reconfigure given defaults for 15, 17, or 19 inch monitor and those are usually not good ;P |
| 12:37.07 | peterS | drac: dude. his problem is that he wants a *lower* resolution in gdm. |
| 12:37.19 | drac | ah ok, my mistake then. |
| 12:37.24 | peterS | drac: horizrefresh is only a problem if you want the opposite |
| 12:37.24 | eka | i have a server that has sendmail installed... but our mail is handled by another server... how can i thell this local sendmail to route trhough the real mail server? |
| 12:37.30 | peterS | I mean horizsync |
| 12:37.38 | directhex|work | but on an aside, xserver-xfree86's resolution choices suck hard. |
| 12:37.42 | K_Dallas | could it be that i have set the depth to 16 on my desktop and that gdm takes 24? |
| 12:38.08 | peterS | eka: when you installed sendmail it should have asked you questions about configuration. one of these is about whether to send all mail to a smart host |
| 12:38.09 | directhex|work | gdm displays in your default resolution, which is the highest available in XF86Xonfig-4 |
| 12:38.24 | K_Dallas | so i just comment 24 out? |
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| 12:38.28 | eka | peterS: was already installed |
| 12:38.42 | eka | peterS: any way to do it now? |
| 12:39.02 | directhex|work | why comment 24 out? the color depth does not influence the resoution |
| 12:39.03 | peterS | eka: should come with a reconfigure script of some sort. I don't know offhand what. 'dpkg -L sendmail | grep bin/' to see your options. if not, try 'dpkg-reconfigure sendmail' |
| 12:39.05 | Stral | you've probably requested a resolution higher than your monitor can handle, so the xserver has a bigger desktop than your display size |
| 12:39.06 | K_Dallas | logging off, see you guys in a min or so |
| 12:39.14 | peterS | eka: I am sorry to be vague but I don't have sendmail installed on any debian boxes |
| 12:39.35 | directhex|work | well. not normally, anyway. if you have an utterly antique card, or your resolutons and depths don't match, then it will have an effect |
| 12:39.37 | K_Dallas | Stral, it is just the resolution which is too high, the screen still fits on my monitor |
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| 12:39.58 | K_Dallas | i see, i have reduced the frequencies and commented out 24 |
| 12:40.05 | Stral | so what resolution are you actually getting? |
| 12:40.09 | directhex|work | why do you not want 24 bit color? |
| 12:40.28 | peterS | K_Dallas: the trick is telling the X server to use a small default root window, but still let it know it could have a larger one via RandR. I don't know offhand how to accomplish this |
| 12:40.29 | K_Dallas | Stral, i have 1204 something for desktop but on gdm it is like 1200 1600 |
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| 12:40.36 | eka | peterS: any way to reconfigure it? |
| 12:40.52 | peterS | eka: <peterS> eka: I am sorry to be vague but I don't have sendmail installed on any debian boxes |
| 12:41.07 | K_Dallas | (it is so high res that i just type my user name and pw without seeing it;) |
| 12:41.08 | peterS | eka: I already told you how to find the answer. maybe you can scroll up a bit |
| 12:41.09 | Stral | so edit the config, and remote everything bigger than 1024x768 in the resolution list |
| 12:41.13 | eka | i mean trhu dpkg or something |
| 12:41.14 | jethro | eka: try dpkg-reconfigure sendmail |
| 12:41.23 | K_Dallas | Stral, already done that, thanks |
| 12:41.23 | Stral | remote/remove |
| 12:41.23 | jethro | eka: as suggested by peterS a few lines ago |
| 12:41.26 | eka | ok ill try that |
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| 12:41.46 | eka | ohh ok i miss that sorry |
| 12:42.10 | peterS | teh ehlix returns |
| 12:42.35 | jethro | shall we fear anything? |
| 12:42.36 | Phated | All hail teh ehlix. |
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| 12:43.03 | resiak | omg wtf unrar wo'nt opne my filez?!?!? |
| 12:43.04 | peterS | eka: as I said, see also 'dpkg -L sendmail | grep bin/' |
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| 12:43.26 | helix | ugh, why are my windows all out of order |
| 12:43.33 | Phated | /window move! |
| 12:43.41 | peterS | heh, I'm sure she knows /win move |
| 12:43.41 | helix | I don't want to move them |
| 12:43.43 | jethro | hedid you drink soju last night? |
| 12:43.46 | helix | I want them to be perfect |
| 12:43.51 | K_Dallas | before i relog, what repos should i have to get amule? strangely enough i cannot find it anymore! |
| 12:43.52 | helix | stupid irssi |
| 12:43.54 | Phated | peterS: Apparently, she is too lazy to use it. |
| 12:43.55 | eka | peterS: yea it gives me a list of files... but i'm lost |
| 12:44.04 | peterS | helix: perfection comes, not when there are no windows to add, but when there are no windows to take away |
| 12:44.07 | helix | Phated: no, I'm pissed that they are normally in the right order and now they're not |
| 12:44.14 | Phated | helix: I see. |
| 12:44.17 | helix | peterS: -_- |
| 12:44.21 | Phated | peterS: Heh. |
| 12:44.46 | helix | directhex|work: I was? |
| 12:44.47 | helix | when/ |
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| 12:44.54 | mrbuckets | Hello all. I am trying to install Sarge on a HP NetServer 2000r, but for some reason, the installer's not detecting the SCSI drivers. has anyone else experienced that or worked with such a server? |
| 12:44.57 | peterS | this is unusual? |
| 12:45.03 | K_Dallas | does it look all right? deb ftp://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ testing main contrib non-free unstable |
| 12:45.09 | jethro | mrbuckets: tried the various boot flavors? |
| 12:45.15 | helix | I don't know if it's unusual... I just don't think I knew about it |
| 12:45.16 | resiak | K_Dallas: No, it doesn't. Take out the "unstable" bit. |
| 12:45.30 | K_Dallas | oh! so what should i add for unstable? |
| 12:45.36 | Guerin | you wouldn't |
| 12:45.41 | streuner | !sid faq |
| 12:45.41 | dpkg | i heard sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 12:45.46 | streuner | read that |
| 12:45.49 | greycat | K_Dallas: no. |
| 12:45.49 | appyG | !dcc send appyG h |
| 12:45.50 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 12:45.58 | directhex|work | helix, june 2005 issue, in a section discussing the DPL election |
| 12:46.01 | mrbuckets | jethro: well I tried linux symbios53c8xx but that didn't work, although I think that is the driver for it |
| 12:46.14 | jethro | mrbuckets: did you hit F1 at teh boot prompt? |
| 12:46.16 | helix | haha |
| 12:46.16 | Guerin | !warezsmite appyG |
| 12:46.19 | jethro | s/teh/the/ |
| 12:46.20 | helix | dang |
| 12:46.23 | mrbuckets | jethro yes |
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| 12:46.32 | helix | directhex|work: what does it say? |
| 12:46.40 | jethro | damn I hate it when I ssh to my box through their shitty corporate proxies and the pipe is full and I m so fucking lagged!!! |
| 12:46.45 | peterS | helix was a figure in the DPL election? |
| 12:46.50 | resiak | !dcc send $1 $2 is <reply> Sending a chainsaw to $1... |
| 12:46.50 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 12:47.00 | helix | peterS: no, but d-w was, so I can only assume... |
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| 12:47.13 | directhex|work | helix, your feedback on Jonathan Walther's campaign |
| 12:47.17 | helix | jesus, NONE of these windows are in the right place |
| 12:47.18 | helix | aha |
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| 12:47.27 | peterS | helix: ahhh. helen was, she cochaired the debate. maybe the editors just got your names mixed up, like everyone on irc does |
| 12:47.39 | Guerin | dpkg, no, dcc send $1 is <reply>Now initiating chainsaw-over-TCP/IP against $1... |
| 12:47.39 | helix | peterS: no, apparently not, you moron |
| 12:47.39 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 12:47.45 | peterS | moron? |
| 12:47.48 | jethro | hah |
| 12:47.53 | Phated | Harsh. |
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| 12:48.40 | peterS | Phated: with your history of hating P, you ought to understand that fairness is sometimes a lot to ask |
| 12:48.57 | Phated | peterS: It was all in the past! :) |
| 12:49.02 | peterS | Phated: oh ok |
| 12:49.03 | Guerin | !P |
| 12:49.03 | dpkg | hmm... p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton |
| 12:49.03 | Sirius_Black | hi guys - who can i get some info on how to set up an nvida card on Sid please |
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| 12:49.10 | kneet | running mplayer on sid - want to add the suggested "echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq" line to startup - I can think of several possible places - what would people think would be the best place to add it? |
| 12:49.16 | jethro | !tell Sirius_Black -about nvidia |
| 12:49.17 | petemc | Sirius_Black: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 12:49.17 | directhex|work | 'Erinn Clark, from Debian Women, posted a statement saying "None of the individuals listed in the gender imbalance section were consulted about this plan; we also think these issues are deeper than can be fixed with a three month analysis. Furthermore, we do not believe this to be a good-faith effort to address the relevant issues, given the past behavior of the candidate"' |
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| 12:49.30 | helix | oh jesus, I can't believe they quoted the whole message |
| 12:49.39 | Guerin | kneet: shell |
| 12:49.47 | peterS | and it didn't even have any semicolons |
| 12:49.53 | peterS | surely they could have picked a better sample |
| 12:49.53 | nop | argh.. i just changed my system to boot off raid md0. it is 200gb in size but after i booted from it, it only shows as 5.8G in "df". can anyone give me a hint how to fix that? |
| 12:49.59 | helix | yes it did |
| 12:50.01 | jethro | heh |
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| 12:50.03 | Phated | It does. |
| 12:50.09 | peterS | oh, so it does |
| 12:50.10 | tarzeau | kneet: /etc/init.d/autoexec.bat |
| 12:50.12 | peterS | so *that*'s all right then |
| 12:50.15 | helix | yeah |
| 12:50.15 | peterS | but does it have any footnotes? |
| 12:50.17 | helix | it's very debian |
| 12:50.19 | helix | no :/ |
| 12:50.20 | peterS | no debian message has any credibility without footnotes |
| 12:50.34 | peterS | they're like a statement "I have arrived, I know how debian messages work" |
| 12:50.37 | greycat | [42] Obligatory unreferenced footnote. |
| 12:50.39 | Phated | Perhaps "None of the individuals [1]" ? :) |
| 12:50.43 | peterS | Phated: heh |
| 12:50.51 | helix | Phated: yeah, that would've worked |
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| 12:50.57 | nop | hmm ill brb, gotta look at bios settings |
| 12:51.01 | Phated | It would. |
| 12:51.07 | directhex|work | yes there were footnotes |
| 12:51.15 | peterS | I get the distinct feeling that footnotes have taken hold in debian list culture as something you have to have to sound educated |
| 12:51.25 | peterS | it sure seems as though there were a lot fewer of them as recently as a year ago |
| 12:51.55 | helix | I did put footnotes in another message |
| 12:52.01 | helix | not on -vote |
| 12:52.04 | peterS | I know. you're not immune |
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| 12:52.15 | helix | I'm not sure what would've been more appropriate though |
| 12:52.33 | helix | I mean, I *hate* them, but I'm also not sure how else to deal with huge links |
| 12:52.36 | peterS | inline URLs work just as well, IMO, in many situations |
| 12:52.51 | helix | peterS: I agree for relatively normal sized ones |
| 12:52.52 | directhex|work | either way, helix earns cake for being mentionned by name in the press |
| 12:52.56 | helix | heh |
| 12:52.57 | helix | thanks directhex|work |
| 12:53.12 | directhex|work | not that i knoiw where to buy vegan cake, but nevermind |
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| 12:53.21 | asg | directhex|work: carrot cake |
| 12:53.24 | peterS | if you have no cake, let her eat bread |
| 12:53.27 | helix | no, I hate carrot cake |
| 12:53.31 | helix | I'll take carrots |
| 12:53.35 | Phated | Rabbit. |
| 12:53.44 | Guerin | rabbit cake! |
| 12:53.48 | Delph | it will do. |
| 12:53.50 | Phated | She's vegan! |
| 12:54.05 | peterS | she is?!? |
| 12:54.13 | Phated | She isn't?!? |
| 12:54.21 | greycat | helix is a vegetable? |
| 12:54.28 | directhex|work | canibal! |
| 12:54.28 | peterS | only if you really are what you eat |
| 12:54.34 | jethro | hahaha |
| 12:54.38 | j_k | nop: try to dumpe2fs it and show what it says. |
| 12:54.39 | peterS | which I rather doubt |
| 12:54.41 | jethro | !peterS++ |
| 12:54.41 | Phated | This becomes silly. |
| 12:54.42 | Guerin | greycat: just like rice |
| 12:54.44 | amorphix | Hi guys, I think my system broke somehow :-( I'm running Debian Sarge 2.4 and decided to do an upgrade today, however the source I have seems to be down or out of date, since I got a lot of "failed to fetch" messages, and when I tried to add a new source to apt i got a perl library/module error.. so I think my perl is broken due to incomplete upgrade :-/ |
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| 12:54.49 | peterS | I don't look much like a ramen noodle, for ex. |
| 12:54.51 | j_k | nop: assuming you're using ext2/3 |
| 12:55.01 | tarzeau | amorphix: is the source official? |
| 12:55.04 | Phated | I don't look like a mushroom, either. |
| 12:55.06 | Guerin | amorphix: apt-get update |
| 12:55.14 | tarzeau | amorphix: your sources.list? |
| 12:55.15 | amorphix | Phated: sure, it's an official Debian mirror (my ISP) |
| 12:55.23 | tarzeau | Phated: not even partly? |
| 12:55.23 | Phated | amorphix: Mushroom? |
| 12:55.33 | greycat | amorphix: if apt fails to fetch something, it does NOT go on to call dpkg and install stuff. |
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| 12:55.39 | amorphix | Guerin: unfortunately apt-get update just repeats the "failed to fetch" error |
| 12:55.40 | Phated | tarzeau: Yes, not even partly. |
| 12:55.41 | jethro | I do look like a beef though |
| 12:55.46 | amorphix | oh |
| 12:55.49 | greycat | amorphix: so an "incomplete upgrade" is not possible as a result of 404s on the fetching. |
| 12:55.50 | Guerin | amorphix: choose another mirror |
| 12:55.51 | peterS | Phated: you're not pasty white, mushy, and have little seeds falling off you? probably a good thing overall |
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| 12:56.08 | amorphix | it did install alot of stuff tho |
| 12:56.21 | Phated | peterS: Not being pale yellow, dry, skinny, and crackable is probably a good thing also. |
| 12:56.25 | peterS | Yaakov was here? why did I not know this? |
| 12:56.34 | amorphix | I'm not sure how to add a mirror manually, i normally use apt-setup |
| 12:56.43 | greycat | amorphix: then do that. |
| 12:56.43 | amorphix | is there a way to access a list of mirrors? |
| 12:56.51 | Guerin | peterS: you don't have buddy pounces set up in gaim? |
| 12:56.51 | greycat | amorphix: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 12:56.53 | peterS | Phated: and being based on something other than fungus is definitely a plus |
| 12:57.00 | Phated | peterS: Hear hear. |
| 12:57.04 | amorphix | greycat: unfortunately apt-setup is broken, since my perl seems to be messed up somewhow :-( |
| 12:57.09 | peterS | Guerin: he's not particularly a buddy, just someone I know from #perl |
| 12:57.16 | amorphix | magnia:/home/admin# apt-setup |
| 12:57.16 | amorphix | Can't locate Debconf/Db.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/admin/perl/lib/5.8.4/i686-linux /home/admin/perl/lib/5.8.4 /home/admin/perl/lib/site_perl/5.8.4/i686-linux /home/admin/perl/lib/site_perl/5.8.4 /home/admin/perl/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 4. |
| 12:57.16 | amorphix | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/debconf/frontend line 4. |
| 12:57.22 | peterS | Guerin: lots of overlap between #perl and #debian, as it happens |
| 12:57.25 | greycat | no, your debconf is broken. |
| 12:57.30 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, no doubt. |
| 12:57.31 | amorphix | ;-( |
| 12:57.45 | amorphix | i dunno how it got broken, its been working fine |
| 12:57.49 | peterS | directhex|work: start by being a woman. increases your chances a great deal, if they ever cover any gender-related issues |
| 12:57.50 | Guerin | directhex|work: you already write for hexus |
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| 12:58.04 | directhex|work | Guerin, nobody takes websites seriously |
| 12:58.15 | Guerin | that's true |
| 12:58.17 | peterS | directhex|work: of course, if they don't, it probably doesn't make as much of a difference |
| 12:58.19 | jethro | write a book! |
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| 12:58.25 | amorphix | greycat: what do you recommend I do to fix debconf? |
| 12:58.28 | directhex|work | peterS, i'm a white male. |
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| 12:58.31 | Guerin | do something worth writing a book about |
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| 12:58.43 | peterS | directhex|work: you n me both. I'm just sayin' |
| 12:58.48 | amorphix | Im screwed? |
| 12:58.50 | liable | kill someone |
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| 12:59.01 | solemnwarning | i ran a2enmod suexec but cgi scripts on my apche2 server are still being run as www-data |
| 12:59.01 | solemnwarning | any1 know wtf is going on? |
| 12:59.17 | j_k | amorphix: reinstall it, possibly manually if it's left in /var/cache/apt/archives, else fetch it from packages.d.o. |
| 12:59.18 | greycat | no, any1 doesn't know. he's a moron. |
| 12:59.25 | resiak | solemnwarning: Did you make Apache2 reloaad its configuration? Did you RTFM? |
| 12:59.26 | jethro | !tell solemnwarning -about repeat |
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| 12:59.30 | amorphix | j_k ok thanks |
| 12:59.39 | jethro | solemnwarning: did yoiu read the fine documentation on apache.org ? |
| 12:59.51 | jethro | solemnwarning: you'd be amazed by how clear and helpfull it is |
| 12:59.58 | Guerin | and ask in #apache |
| 13:00.07 | Guerin | now might be a good time for this old chestnut |
| 13:00.10 | jethro | Guerin: they tell you to read the doc anyway :) |
| 13:00.11 | Guerin | !order |
| 13:00.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, order is if you're having trouble with something: 0) read the manpages 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule. |
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| 13:00.21 | Guerin | jethro: I know - it's a failover. |
| 13:00.26 | solemnwarning | !kernal |
| 13:00.26 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 13:00.41 | helix | directhex|work: was this story on the web or print? |
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| 13:01.32 | directhex|work | helix, print. like i said, who cares about the web? |
| 13:01.34 | crashbg | what sould be SOFTWARE_SUSPEND_DEFAULT_RESUME2 ? the swap file like /dev/hda2 ? |
| 13:01.41 | helix | directhex|work: heh, ok |
| 13:01.45 | directhex|work | helix, page 93ish of the june issue |
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| 13:02.10 | liable | crashbg: go to the web page, its pretty explanatory |
| 13:02.14 | helix | directhex|work: ok, thanks |
| 13:02.32 | peterS | directhex|work: if I know this girl at all she's wanting to ask for a warezed photocopy right about now (: |
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| 13:02.35 | crashbg | liable, yea i found it :) |
| 13:02.55 | Guerin | a scanx0r3d pdf |
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| 13:03.03 | Guerin | with greetz? |
| 13:03.09 | jethro | gr33tz |
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| 13:03.16 | Guerin | mah bayd |
| 13:03.18 | helix | no, I asked because vorlon wanted to read the article |
| 13:03.32 | helix | I never got a copy of any of the other times I was mentioned in magazines either |
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| 13:03.42 | peterS | yeah, dunno if greetz are needed. in the south they spell them grits |
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| 13:03.48 | helix | sounds like a slow news month to me :P |
| 13:03.51 | jethro | heh |
| 13:04.17 | peterS | it's probably been slow news months in free software land ever since the bubble fell over |
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| 13:04.32 | peterS | well, that's not true |
| 13:04.34 | peterS | we've got SCO |
| 13:04.38 | jethro | :) |
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| 13:05.01 | doub | now that's breaking news |
| 13:05.15 | peterS | doub: a breaking company. though rather slowly |
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| 13:05.57 | zignig | helix: bleh to you and your cats. |
| 13:06.04 | doub | peterS: yup. maybe they need help |
| 13:06.18 | peterS | doub: yeah, I'm sure they don't think they're getting enough help already from groklaw and hangers-on |
| 13:06.19 | doub | btw, maybe the bubble fall and SCO are related |
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| 13:06.33 | Guerin | no! |
| 13:06.36 | Guerin | surely not? |
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| 13:07.08 | peterS | the bubble fell almost solely due to Linux yanking the rug out from under the honest hardworking SCO by getting all that clandestine IP via IBM |
| 13:07.22 | zignig | Guerin: you forgot the <sarc> tags ;P |
| 13:07.41 | jetscreamer | ip? |
| 13:07.41 | Guerin | you damn penguins! I woulda gotten away with it if it weren't for you! |
| 13:07.46 | peterS | intellectual property |
| 13:07.48 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 13:07.55 | zignig | peterS: oxymoron |
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| 13:08.04 | Guerin | !rmssmite peterS |
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| 13:08.07 | doub | isn't SCO on an investor only business plan? |
| 13:08.09 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 13:08.20 | jetscreamer | scox |
| 13:08.21 | peterS | doub: you presume that what they have can properly be considered a plan at all |
| 13:08.24 | doub | never been profittable |
| 13:08.41 | doub | peterS: some did make a lot of money this way |
| 13:08.46 | peterS | doub: but honestly, this is OT for #debian and people will start getting annoyed with us quite soon if we keep it up |
| 13:08.47 | nullvoid | yo peterS |
| 13:08.51 | peterS | nullvoid. |
| 13:08.56 | jetscreamer | lets buy up all sco stock and just make it debian, we'll take over ms in a few years |
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| 13:09.10 | doub | jetscreamer: good idea |
| 13:09.11 | Guerin | well, BSF stand to gain a cut of their linux license fees |
| 13:09.26 | peterS | BSF always makes me think BATF |
| 13:09.31 | zignig | Guerin: bastard software foundation ? |
| 13:09.33 | peterS | I can't think why. the one is a bunch of thugs |
| 13:09.37 | peterS | and the other is, you know, a bunch of thugs |
| 13:09.43 | Guerin | boies schiller & flexner |
| 13:09.53 | Guerin | i believe I spelt that right |
| 13:10.00 | nullvoid | peterS: I need your advice, I am doing my dissertation for my master degree in computer science, any idea for the topis ;) |
| 13:10.01 | Guerin | the lawfirm reppin' sco |
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| 13:10.14 | doub | jetscreamer: just like the netcraft news about the old windows DDoS worm targetting sco.com : change the A record for 127.0.0.1, buy a few Dell and M$ stock, and get the money ;) |
| 13:10.17 | peterS | nullvoid: I have no idea what you are interested or knowledgeable in, so no |
| 13:10.29 | zignig | Guerin: ah lawyers , vampires of capitalism .... |
| 13:10.45 | petemc | thats a sweeping generalisation |
| 13:10.58 | nullvoid | peterS: I like ip less networking like zeroconf revanderos kinda |
| 13:11.00 | peterS | yeah, there are lots of vampires in capitalism |
| 13:11.03 | petemc | :) |
| 13:11.12 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:11.27 | nullvoid | peterS: well nevermind |
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| 13:12.16 | peterS | nullvoid: I'm not all that good with computer science, to be honest. it's too theoretical. as dijkstra said, "CS is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes". I'm more interested in computers |
| 13:12.39 | nullvoid | ;) |
| 13:12.59 | doub | peterS: were we to only talk about debian only in here, we'd get bored real fast |
| 13:13.14 | jetscreamer | just add the word 'debian' to everything you say |
| 13:13.20 | nullvoid | heh |
| 13:13.31 | nullvoid | ok this |
| 13:13.35 | Guerin | jetscreamer: did i tell you that I ate some dog nipples the other day debian? |
| 13:13.36 | zignig | jetscreamer: sorry-debian ? |
| 13:13.38 | peterS | I understand complexity analysis, and elementary data structures, and how a typical OS is put together, but I don't get into the more computer science-y topics much |
| 13:13.55 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 13:14.03 | zignig | Guerin: mmm dog-nipples. |
| 13:14.09 | nullvoid | is there any chances debian will merge with ubuntu or knoppix? |
| 13:14.11 | Guerin | zignig: just what I thought |
| 13:14.15 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 13:14.15 | Guerin | nullvoid: no. |
| 13:14.16 | tarzeau | nullvoid: no WAY |
| 13:14.31 | zignig | *nipples |
| 13:14.32 | Guerin | zignig: you think i'm not serious, but I am. |
| 13:14.34 | tarzeau | zignig: doens't pigs have 10? |
| 13:14.41 | cyrix_ | lol |
| 13:14.49 | jetscreamer | yeah, where was debian when ubuntu and knoppix were doing all that ground breaking stuff... |
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| 13:14.51 | zignig | tarzeau: yep , many mammals do. |
| 13:14.52 | tarzeau | nullvoid: they have non-free sutff, don't they? |
| 13:14.59 | tarzeau | zignig: cows don't |
| 13:15.04 | nullvoid | I tried both, at first I found it good, but later I found debian still the best |
| 13:15.08 | tarzeau | zignig: neither do dolphins nor whales |
| 13:15.15 | zignig | tarzeau: depends on the size of the litter |
| 13:15.17 | nop | hrm... why is that when i boot off my 200gb drive it shows up as "5.8GB" in "df" but when I boot off another drive it looks fine?! |
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| 13:15.27 | tarzeau | zignig: or apes |
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| 13:15.46 | nullvoid | nop: is't greek you are speaking? |
| 13:15.51 | zignig | tarzeau: I wish humans had 10 nipples , images the porn ;) |
| 13:15.51 | peterS | nop: df only reports on filesystems. a filesystem doesn't have to span a whole disk |
| 13:15.54 | nop | nullvoid, sorry... |
| 13:16.02 | nop | peterS, sorry, ill try to clarify |
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| 13:16.39 | zignig | Guerin: what did you garnish them with ? |
| 13:16.54 | nullvoid | zignig: heh why must it be 10 and not 11 ;) |
| 13:17.09 | nop | i have a 200gig drive (actually two in a softraid but doesnt matter here). when i boot directly from the drive (as in boot=/dev/md0 in lilo.conf) it shows up as "5.8G" in size (so something wrapped around, maybe lilo asks bios and bios tells crap?). when i boot off another drive (boot=/dev/hda) it shows up fine as 200gb in size... has anyone an idea how i could fix that, cause i really want to boot off the raid :\ |
| 13:17.09 | zignig | nullvoid: symetrical bodies. |
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| 13:17.23 | DexterF | hi |
| 13:17.23 | peterS | a full piercing job must be a bit of an ordeal for them |
| 13:17.31 | zignig | peterS: eek! |
| 13:17.31 | nullvoid | hah |
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| 13:17.52 | Guerin | zignig: kochujang, onion, sesame leaves, chives |
| 13:17.55 | DexterF | how can I obtain a debian src package when I don't have a debian system? |
| 13:18.02 | j_k | nop: no partition table ? |
| 13:18.06 | Guerin | zzii didn't JUST eat nipples, there was most of a dog there |
| 13:18.11 | nop | j_k, what do you mean? |
| 13:18.12 | zignig | Guerin: fried or boiled ? |
| 13:18.13 | Phated | zignig: Why not 20? |
| 13:18.15 | Guerin | DexterF: man wget |
| 13:18.16 | streuner | DexterF: pdo |
| 13:18.27 | peterS | nop: what are you using to measure the size? you mentioned df, but lilo doesn't have anything to do with df |
| 13:18.28 | Guerin | zignig: boiled in something brown and nasty-smelling |
| 13:18.30 | zignig | Phated: now your just being silly. |
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| 13:18.35 | zignig | Guerin: gross! |
| 13:18.37 | Phated | zignig: Well, you started it. |
| 13:18.44 | zignig | Phated: :P |
| 13:18.44 | peterS | zignig: she has a point |
| 13:18.53 | Phated | peterS: Thankyou. |
| 13:19.02 | peterS | if not two. errr, never mind. |
| 13:19.02 | Guerin | zignig: not the greatest meal I've ever had in korea, but it's supposed to give you massive night-power |
| 13:19.15 | Phated | peterS: Grrr. |
| 13:19.20 | nop | peterS, well, as said, right now I have booted directly off the 200G raid.. df -h shows: /dev/md0 5.8G 4.1G 1.5G 74% / .. when I boot from another disk so that the raid is "secondary" then df shows the real size |
| 13:19.58 | peterS | nop: I suspect /dev/md0 is being assembled in two different ways, or something. try 'cat /proc/mdstat', make sure *that* reports the same partitions both times |
| 13:19.58 | zignig | Guerin: i'm adverse to eating scavenger as a rule. |
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| 13:20.10 | zignig | Phated: would you want 20 nipples ? |
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| 13:20.16 | Guerin | zignig: don't knock it 'til you've tried it |
| 13:20.20 | Phated | zignig: I wouldn't want 10, either. |
| 13:20.30 | galec | Hi, today my encrypted filesystem didn't mount (with right password, else gpg would give an error). I got "LOOP_MULTI_KEY_SETUP_V3: invalid argument". Any ideas? |
| 13:20.33 | nop | peterS, thanks for the hint |
| 13:20.39 | zignig | Phated: getting a bra on would suck. |
| 13:20.45 | jethro | !any ideas |
| 13:20.45 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of rabid hamsters. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 13:20.49 | Phated | Getting a bra on sucks as it is. |
| 13:21.00 | peterS | galec: sounds like your current kernel doesn't support the cryptoloop thing properly |
| 13:21.01 | Guerin | getting them off ain't much fun either |
| 13:21.13 | jethro | getting em off with the toes is funny |
| 13:21.14 | zignig | Guerin: i'm sure it could be nice , but scavengers carry many more diseases and toxins . |
| 13:21.16 | Phated | It's better than having them on. |
| 13:21.19 | jethro | teeth even |
| 13:21.25 | galec | peterS: the thing is, I didn't change it :S and it worked fine before |
| 13:21.30 | asg | Guerin: you just need the Fiddly-Snaps HOWTO v1.3 |
| 13:21.31 | DexterF | Guerin: i know how to operate my stuff, thanks you. the questions rather is *where* - in ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/ I find the Sources list, points to a directory "pool" - which I don't see |
| 13:21.33 | nullvoid | anyone here thinking coming over to Malaysia |
| 13:21.42 | peterS | Phated: yeah, I can see the adjustment process would be a bit cumbersome with 10 or 20. not to mention buying one the right size and shape. it'd have to have a lot of resize buckle things |
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| 13:21.46 | resiak | Don't ever take them off with your teeth, or you might choke on little bits of bra-plastic! |
| 13:21.50 | Guerin | DexterF: did I address you? |
| 13:21.50 | DexterF | streuner: "pdo" = ? |
| 13:21.52 | asg | nullvoid: too hot for me. |
| 13:21.53 | Phated | peterS: Heh. |
| 13:21.54 | resiak | !pdo |
| 13:21.54 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 13:21.59 | Phated | nullvoid: Why? |
| 13:22.01 | j_k | galec: is the cryptoloop module loaded ? |
| 13:22.01 | peterS | DexterF: packages.debian.org or people.debian.org, depending on context |
| 13:22.06 | DexterF | [15:18] <Guerin> DexterF: man wget <- yes |
| 13:22.18 | resiak | !pdo is also http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. |
| 13:22.18 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 13:22.22 | nullvoid | Phanted: just look for me |
| 13:22.30 | Guerin | DexterF: that's how you get a source file without a debian system. You find it on a server and wget it. |
| 13:22.30 | nullvoid | I am in Malaysia |
| 13:22.42 | nop | peterS, hmmmm... yes, mdstat is showing the right disks... hdc1[1] hdb1[0].. when i do "cfdisk /dev/md0" it *also* tells me the correct size (200GB) every time... man what is going on here |
| 13:22.59 | Phated | Phor phuck's sake, it's PHATED, phucking tab complete it. |
| 13:23.02 | peterS | nop: and 'cat /proc/partitions' shows the right sizes? |
| 13:23.04 | Guerin | DexterF: you do need to look around on the server a bit, I can't remember precisely where that main dir is. |
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| 13:23.15 | tra1a1a | DexterF: packages.debian.org has links to the sources |
| 13:23.23 | nop | peterS, looks good to me: 9 0 195358336 md0 |
| 13:23.25 | DexterF | tra1a1a, peterS , thanks |
| 13:23.30 | Guerin | zignig: these critters are raised for eatin'. they are killed in a particularly evil manner, though, so there are plenty of hormones and things going around; which is what gives you nightpower. |
| 13:23.40 | Guerin | adrenaline, etc. |
| 13:23.44 | galec | j_k: sorry, should have mentioned: I'm using loop-aes. So I shouldn't need it? loop and loop_twofish are loaded |
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| 13:24.08 | zignig | Guerin: ah. |
| 13:24.12 | nop | peterS, by "looks good to me" i mean that the involved drives are by far the largest, i dont exactly know how to translate blocks to mb though |
| 13:24.29 | Guerin | awright |
| 13:24.29 | j_k | galec: I don't know much about loop-aes. |
| 13:24.34 | Guerin | pubtime! |
| 13:24.34 | peterS | nop: they're just kilobytes, so that does look about right |
| 13:24.47 | jethro | jeez I want to live tooo!!! |
| 13:24.47 | zignig | Guerin: when did you go to korea , or do you live there ? |
| 13:24.54 | peterS | nop: that's an odd thing, if md0 is 200 GB but the filesystem on it is not |
| 13:24.59 | peterS | nop: reported, I mean |
| 13:25.01 | Guerin | zignig: i've lived here since the start of 2003 |
| 13:25.25 | nop | peterS, yup... and the oddest thing is, as said, it is correct when i boot from another disk |
| 13:25.27 | zignig | Guerin: cool, nice place ? |
| 13:26.11 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 13:26.30 | nop | peterS, haha.. okay, i mounted the filesystem again under another mountpoint.. now i have: /dev/md0 5.8G 4.1G 1.5G 74% / .. and .. /dev/md0 184G 65G 110G 38% /X |
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| 13:26.50 | peterS | nop: I suspect /etc/mtab is simply confused |
| 13:26.57 | nop | peterS, i also tried "mount -o remount /" but it didnt fix it there |
| 13:27.02 | peterS | nop: try 'cat /proc/mounts' to see what is really mounted where |
| 13:27.25 | nop | hrmmm |
| 13:27.29 | peterS | nop: (df consults /etc/mtab, which is not always up to date) |
| 13:27.32 | bernouli | does anyone have good links about how firewall works, from google are all not very good |
| 13:27.32 | nop | peterS, i see two things for / |
| 13:27.34 | nop | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
| 13:27.34 | nop | /dev/root / ext3 rw,noatime 0 0 |
| 13:27.49 | nop | peterS, is that a mistake there? |
| 13:27.59 | nop | peterS, (from /proc/mounts) |
| 13:28.00 | j_k | nop: it's okay. |
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| 13:28.07 | peterS | nop: you can ignore the rootfs one, it's just noise. the second one - well, the kernel doesn't keep track of the root device, now that I recall |
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| 13:28.46 | nop | hrm |
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| 13:29.01 | jethro | is there a debian way of chrooting apache? |
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| 13:29.27 | nop | peterS, so if i got you right then only df is lying to me right now and the mount is actually fine? |
| 13:29.29 | tra1a1a | nop: did you try to reproduce the problem with any other kernel versions? |
| 13:29.31 | peterS | nop: try this: stat -c%D / |
| 13:29.38 | peterS | nop: it should show 901, but see if it does |
| 13:29.46 | nop | tilt:root# stat -c%D / |
| 13:29.46 | nop | 305 |
| 13:29.47 | jethro | nm I got some documentation on debian.org |
| 13:29.52 | haydenTNG | i've followed this page, http://www.debiansec.com/linux/services/ftp.html#vsftpd_preferance, but i still am not sure why i cannot connect with my virtual user in vsftpd |
| 13:29.53 | peterS | nop: 305 is /dev/hda5 |
| 13:29.57 | peterS | nop: go figure |
| 13:30.01 | amorphix | anyone know the package name for Gnome? |
| 13:30.09 | asg | !install gnome |
| 13:30.10 | dpkg | methinks install gnome is in woody: apt-get install gnome-session gnome-control-center sawfish-gnome ; In sarge and sid: apt-get install gnome |
| 13:30.10 | nop | peterS, ahhh.. thats the OLD disk.. but how the heck can it still be in there? |
| 13:30.15 | amorphix | thanks asg |
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| 13:30.30 | Jacobo221 | is there a way to stop CTRL+ALT+RET from closing when xscreensaver is locked? |
| 13:30.30 | peterS | nop: lilo is invoking the kernel with 'root=/dev/hda5' or similar |
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| 13:31.07 | amorphix | !install X |
| 13:31.07 | dpkg | i guess install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 13:31.08 | peterS | nop: I'm guessing that /dev/md0 is shown for / in /etc/fstab. most userspace tools believe fstab. |
| 13:31.22 | nop | peterS, yes, thats how it is |
| 13:31.43 | nop | peterS, also there is no mention of /dev/hda5 in /etc/lilo.conf .. actually there is ONLY /dev/md0 mentioned for everything... |
| 13:31.53 | peterS | nop: so, in /etc/lilo.conf you need to specify root=/dev/md0. or, lacking any root= at all, you can run 'rdev /boot/vmlinuz-whatever /dev/md0' |
| 13:32.14 | Jacobo221 | amorphix: was that for me? |
| 13:32.15 | peterS | nop: in fact, try that: rdev /boot/whatever-your-kernel-image |
| 13:32.24 | j_k | nop: did you actually run lilo ? |
| 13:32.27 | nop | j_k, yes.. ;) |
| 13:32.33 | peterS | it'll spit out its default root device |
| 13:32.36 | nop | j_k, multiple times cuz i thought i was stupid |
| 13:32.49 | j_k | nop: are you sure the bios boots off the right drive ? |
| 13:32.53 | peterS | nop: our situation is also complicated by the fact that you have two root partitions, and thus two copies of /boot/whatever-kernel, and two copies of /etc/lilo.conf |
| 13:33.03 | peterS | nop: this confuses the issue somewhat. which one is active? |
| 13:33.22 | nop | peterS, ahhhh... i see... the kernel image reports the OLD root partition |
| 13:33.56 | nop | peterS, well, the /dev/md0 one is active.. i can take the /dev/hda drive out of the box physically if that helps.. thats what i planned to do anyways ;) |
| 13:34.02 | j_k | nop: iirc, boot in lilo.conf says where to *install* the bootloader, your bios is where you configure what drive is actually booted. |
| 13:34.06 | peterS | nop: if lilo.conf specifies a root=, that will be passed to the kernel at boot time. if not, the kernel has its own default root device, which is set at compile time to the existing root device |
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| 13:34.23 | nop | peterS, hmm.. but i *have* set root=/dev/md0 in lilo.conf |
| 13:34.40 | nop | peterS, /dev/hda* is not mounted when i run lilo so there is no chance it uses the wrong lilo.conf or something like that... |
| 13:34.43 | Sirius_Black | guys - i am running Sid. Can i upgrade to kde3.4, i mean is kde3.4 in sid yet? |
| 13:34.58 | sep | Sirius_Black: /topic |
| 13:35.00 | peterS | nop: you're sure about this? you did not know until 5 minutes ago that /dev/hda5 was your root filesystem |
| 13:35.05 | amorphix | jacobo221 no |
| 13:35.14 | Jacobo221 | ok |
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| 13:35.39 | j_k | nop: why not use grub anyway ? :-P |
| 13:35.59 | nop | peterS, well, what more can i do that "vim /etc/lilo.conf && lilo" ... :( |
| 13:36.21 | peterS | nop: are you sure the bios boots what you have in the boot= line? |
| 13:36.35 | nop | peterS, hmm.. there you have a good point.. a very good one indeed.. |
| 13:36.35 | peterS | nop: you may have told your bios to skip hda, for example, and boot hdb |
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| 13:36.52 | peterS | nop: in which case it'd boot hdb which was probably populated by the *other* lilo.conf |
| 13:36.54 | nop | peterS, no, actually the bios is still booting hda.. *smack* ... |
| 13:37.02 | j_k | 15:32 < j_k> nop: are you sure the bios boots off the right drive ? |
| 13:37.03 | nop | peterS, md0 is hdb and hdc so it should rather boot one of them... |
| 13:37.07 | j_k | :-P |
| 13:37.15 | nop | j_k, sorry, overlooked that.. |
| 13:37.30 | nop | thx guys.. i think i have a clue now.. |
| 13:37.39 | peterS | nop: good luck straightening it all out |
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| 13:38.02 | brynjarh | You need a nvidia-kernel* package to install the nvidia drivers on Debian right? But there are only packages for the 2.4.27* kernel in the repository, aren't there going to be uploaded packages for the 2.6* kernel any time soon? (unstable) |
| 13:38.18 | nop | man.. at least this taught me to never ever set up a box without / on raid anymore... changing it over afterwards is such a pain |
| 13:38.25 | asg | brynjarh: /msg dpkg nvidia oneliner |
| 13:38.55 | asg | brynjarh: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner (rather) |
| 13:39.10 | peterS | nop: hehe. once set up, it should be fine. RTFMing on lilo to make it DTRT with the multiple boot sectors is a bit worrying, mind. took me a long time to trust myself that it would do the right thing |
| 13:39.47 | nop | peterS, yup.. you're a smart guy man.. you kinda solved my problem ;) |
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| 13:40.16 | peterS | nop: hope so. it was pretty puzzling there for a bit, until I suddenly remembered that you could use 'stat' to verify the root device (: |
| 13:40.16 | nop | peterS, i guess my first try now will be to set boot=/dev/hda and let lilo write the stuff there.. then on next boot it should finally use /dev/md0, IMHO.. |
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| 13:40.23 | askercan | hello |
| 13:40.46 | peterS | nop: yeah, and now you know how to check. btw you might want to do 'touch /THIS_IS_HDA5' so you can easily spot which root device you have |
| 13:41.18 | DexterF | ok... now I have a file called kdenetwork_3.3.2-3_all.deb , 20k in size. can't be the complete src. what do I do with that? |
| 13:41.31 | nop | peterS, thx.. many useful little tracks learned today... |
| 13:41.33 | mrbuckets | DexterF: Destroy it |
| 13:41.40 | nop | s/a/i/ |
| 13:41.42 | mrbuckets | DexterF: with millions of bombs |
| 13:41.56 | DexterF | how many of this type usually are here? |
| 13:42.01 | peterS | DexterF: chances are it does nothing except Depend: on lots of other little kde packages |
| 13:42.39 | peterS | DexterF: you can verify this with dpkg --info kdenetwork_3.3.2-3_all.deb | grep Depends: |
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| 13:42.50 | El_Presidente | hello |
| 13:43.09 | El_Presidente | i have a problem with creating a 32 bit chroot on my 64 bit system |
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| 13:43.20 | El_Presidente | anyone here able to help me? |
| 13:43.53 | Jacobo221 | what was that app that told you which which deb package a file comes from? |
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| 13:44.11 | sep | Jacobo221: apt-file |
| 13:44.11 | DexterF | peterS: I'm on Slackware. no dpkg here. that's what troubles me in the first place, I need to retreive a src deb without debian... |
| 13:44.18 | tra1a1a | El_Presidente: there is a faq/howto explaining how to do this on the machiene hosting the 64 bit branch |
| 13:44.18 | galec | Jacobo221: dpkg -S ? |
| 13:44.44 | El_Presidente | tra1a1a, yes? where is this faq? |
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| 13:44.56 | El_Presidente | do you have a link? |
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| 13:45.07 | lucaslira | Ola pessoal |
| 13:45.19 | lucaslira | Alguem sabe qual o canal do Debian CDD-br? |
| 13:45.31 | asg | !br |
| 13:45.31 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:45.32 | tra1a1a | El_Presidente: unfortunately I don't remember the site, but it must be in your sources.list since you're running it |
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| 13:45.45 | Jacobo221 | Sep, galec : yep, thanks :) |
| 13:45.55 | galec | Jacobo221: yw |
| 13:46.00 | El_Presidente | well im following this howto |
| 13:46.00 | El_Presidente | http://www.seanius.net/linux/amd64/cedega-hl2-amd64.html |
| 13:46.18 | asg | El_Presidente: you might also consult #debian-amd64 |
| 13:46.28 | El_Presidente | ty :) |
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| 13:47.42 | tra1a1a | El_Presidente: you should better go with the official port howto. afair the hosting machine was called alioth |
| 13:48.02 | El_Presidente | ah i see |
| 13:48.05 | El_Presidente | ok |
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| 13:48.33 | idealbsd | a guy continue scan 556 port of my debian box, i nmap it the host is a windows2003, how to deal with it? |
| 13:48.34 | peterS | DexterF: if you're looking for a source package, you need to get a *.dsc file, which will list the other components of the source. typically those will include a *.orig.tar.gz and a *.diff.gz. |
| 13:48.49 | tra1a1a | El_Presidente: /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 13:49.03 | peterS | DexterF: the .dsc is plain text, usually pgp-signed. the *.orig.tar.gz is a compressed tarball. the *.diff.gz is a compressed patch file |
| 13:49.30 | drac | idealbsd: mail abuse@host, use iptables to block that guy? |
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| 13:49.35 | asg | idealbsd: just iptables to drop packages from the guy |
| 13:49.50 | El_Presidente | :) |
| 13:50.06 | peterS | I wonder if FBIAgent is here to kill El_Presidente |
| 13:50.11 | petemc | heh |
| 13:50.17 | greycat | no, that's CIA |
| 13:50.22 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 13:50.26 | HansZ | How to see my _total_ cpu-usage (not such as top or ps aux) |
| 13:50.32 | greycat | FBI only terrorizes american citizens. CIA terrorizes the rest of the world. |
| 13:50.34 | idealbsd | how to do it, i use firestarter and enable icmp filter, not family with iptables, ;) |
| 13:50.41 | greycat | HansZ: man vmstat |
| 13:50.46 | HansZ | greycat: thanks |
| 13:51.05 | eps | greycat and the NSA pretends it is terrorising every one, but in reality they are drinking coffee |
| 13:51.11 | eps | mmm coffee |
| 13:51.14 | HansZ | greycat: any alternatives? this one is way to detailed |
| 13:51.19 | peterS | greycat: I'd say they're pretty ineffective as terrorists - I don't know anyone who's actually afraid of the FBI |
| 13:51.30 | greycat | HansZ: hire a consultant |
| 13:51.36 | HansZ | :/ |
| 13:51.56 | greycat | peterS: COINTELPRO, assassinations in the 60s, ... |
| 13:51.58 | HansZ | /proc/cpuinfo is cheaper |
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| 13:52.22 | tra1a1a | HansZ: I don't see why you don't like top |
| 13:52.24 | idealbsd | and psad continue post alter mail to my mail box, it's is a little nag |
| 13:52.32 | petemc | idealbsd: iptables -A INPUT -s ipaddr -J REJECT , or you could use ip route add prohibit |
| 13:52.34 | DexterF | peterS: ok. will try a brute froce approach and compile the src from the ftp manually. don't think it'll work due to deps, but worth a shot |
| 13:52.42 | peterS | greycat: those tend to have some purpose other than terrorizing the public, though. J. Edgar might have had some terrorizing effect but I never got the idea this was his mission |
| 13:53.08 | idealbsd | petemc, thanks |
| 13:53.21 | peterS | DexterF: the .dsc will include a Build-Depends field, I think, so use that to determine what needs to be on your system before you try to compile |
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| 13:54.02 | tra1a1a | finally the easiest way to debianize your PC is to simply install debian |
| 13:54.02 | coachz | Is there a good program to control bad people trying to log in to your box? Something that will alter iptables after x number of attempts |
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| 13:54.06 | zxclkjqw1 | HansZ: you may like htop |
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| 13:54.32 | HansZ | zxclkjqw1: Is there a debian package for it? |
| 13:54.40 | eps | or topas (we use at work on the ibm servers) - not sure if linux has a similar program (no top isn't the same as topas) |
| 13:54.43 | zxclkjqw1 | HansZ: apt-cache show is your friend |
| 13:54.56 | HansZ | zxclkjqw1: ... =P |
| 13:55.00 | tra1a1a | apt-cache search even more |
| 13:55.11 | mrbuckets | I've got TOES! |
| 13:55.13 | eps | I hate how ibm unix doesn't have top, and how linux doesn't have topas :| they are both so useful |
| 13:55.14 | zxclkjqw1 | HansZ: seems to be in sid, anyway |
| 13:55.23 | HansZ | not in sarge |
| 13:55.24 | greycat | tra1a1a: installing debian has *always* been the easiest way. |
| 13:55.27 | eps | mrbuckets I'm sorry, I will have to take those off you :| |
| 13:56.18 | FBIAgent | Anyone know of a site that will test my connection speed |
| 13:56.32 | eps | FBIAgent what country are you in? |
| 13:56.38 | FBIAgent | us |
| 13:56.47 | greycat | FBIAgent: just download and then seed a torrent. |
| 13:56.51 | eps | no... only know one that is good for australia asia :( |
| 13:56.56 | Vince34 | hi all , does domeone know where exactly is the conf file of alsa-mixer ? |
| 13:57.01 | coachz | FBIAgent, just google bandwidth speed test |
| 13:57.05 | eps | alsaconf |
| 13:57.16 | eps | conf file... erm no sorry |
| 13:57.19 | cahoot | Vince34: /var/lib/asound.state |
| 13:57.22 | FBIAgent | thanks |
| 13:57.35 | Vince34 | cahoot, thx , go to see there |
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| 13:58.01 | cahoot | Vince34: err /var/lib/alsa/asound.state |
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| 13:58.11 | Vince34 | (o; |
| 13:58.21 | cahoot | Vince34: unless you specify some other file |
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| 13:58.27 | Unskill3d | i wonder how ppl get into irc without knowing how to use google properly |
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| 13:58.42 | cahoot | Unskill3d: google for the answer |
| 13:58.46 | tdonahue | hi all |
| 13:58.49 | Unskill3d | cahoot: =) |
| 13:58.59 | tra1a1a | eps: copy /var/lib and /var/run to the same file. there is a lot of stuff you'll find there |
| 13:59.04 | Vince34 | my problem is that alsa is not anymore installed , bue alsa config stay there |
| 13:59.16 | asg | Vince34: you probably didn't --purge it |
| 13:59.23 | eps | tra1a1a okay |
| 13:59.33 | asg | Vince34: dpkg -l | grep ^rc (will list removed but not purged packages) |
| 14:00.09 | SiliconViper | Mwahaha! I am victorious! A ~300 MB upgrade, completed. With only 37MB of free space at the beginning, and 5.7MB at the end. Had to do it in stages, and near the end, actually migrate /usr/bin to another partition and symlink it in, but I managed. Good fun it was! |
| 14:00.15 | Vince34 | thx asg (o: |
| 14:00.29 | tdonahue | has anyone here using apt-proxy been able to get apt-proxy-import to work? I keep getting an error '.deb skipped -no suitable backend found' when I try to import my apt archive |
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| 14:01.28 | tra1a1a | SiliconViper: I guess your fs isn't happy (or fast for that matter) now |
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| 14:02.20 | SiliconViper | tdonahue, apt-get install dpkg-dev |
| 14:02.40 | peterS | just wait for the onjoin porn spammers to hit FBIAgent |
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| 14:02.48 | peterS | he'll check them all out to see who might be underage |
| 14:02.49 | SiliconViper | tra1a1a, it's pretty packed, yeah. |
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| 14:03.20 | tdonahue | SiliconViper, dpkg-dev is installed and up to date |
| 14:03.43 | SiliconViper | tdonahue, ah, then I'm out of ideas. |
| 14:03.53 | SiliconViper | It works great for me. ;p |
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| 14:04.10 | eps | how do we add java to our path vars? (I have installed JRE5 via the .bin from the sun website) |
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| 14:04.45 | tra1a1a | eps: the topic was saying something 'bout java |
| 14:04.53 | tdonahue | you wouldn't know where the apt-proxy dev's hang out on IRC, would you? the address that they have on their website no longer exists |
| 14:04.55 | Delph | use java-package |
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| 14:05.00 | eps | tra1a1a yeah I have read through it |
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| 14:05.04 | asg | eps: just edit your shell dotfiles |
| 14:05.07 | peterS | tdonahue: apt-proxy@packages.debian.org does not work? |
| 14:05.08 | SiliconViper | tdonahue, negative. No clue. |
| 14:05.12 | csorrell | Can someone tell me how to get IPVS into the defaulte debian kernel? |
| 14:05.13 | eps | Delph that seemed to hard |
| 14:05.17 | Delph | eps: uhhm. |
| 14:05.20 | eps | thanks asg |
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| 14:05.45 | Delph | eps: is it harder than editing all your user's dotfiles, and the skeleton ones, and the ones for random users, and making a fake package to replace the java you installed manually? |
| 14:05.54 | tdonahue | peterS, don't know, i'll have to give it a try. Thanks |
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| 14:06.05 | eps | Delph I only need it for myself, so it is only a small change |
| 14:06.08 | Vince34 | asg , how do i purge the conf files of an uninstalled package ? |
| 14:06.15 | asg | Vince34: dpkg -P |
| 14:06.18 | eps | plus I couldn't find the java-package very easily |
| 14:06.21 | Delph | eps: *shrug* java-package justworks, is really easy. |
| 14:06.31 | eps | Delph it doesn't apt-get :P |
| 14:06.31 | Delph | eps: if you're not running sarge, you just apt-get it. |
| 14:06.37 | Delph | s/sarge/woody/ |
| 14:06.39 | eps | I am running sarge |
| 14:06.39 | Vince34 | apt-get remove --purge alsa-base doesn't work |
| 14:06.55 | peterS | tdonahue: see also apt-cacher and approx |
| 14:07.00 | peterS | tdonahue: competitors in much the same realm |
| 14:07.04 | asg | Vince34: or 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/{print $2}' | xargs dpkg -P |
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| 14:07.22 | eps | Delph ah, apt-get is getting it now :) |
| 14:07.35 | mike_ | Hey hola que tal |
| 14:07.39 | tdonahue | peterS, thanks, i'll take a look at them as well |
| 14:07.44 | eps | some one update dpkg :P - it says j2se-package |
| 14:07.45 | Vince34 | asg dpkg -P alsa-base worked great (o: |
| 14:07.55 | eps | thank you Delph :) |
| 14:08.00 | Delph | eps: which bit? |
| 14:08.05 | peterS | tdonahue: approx I haven't tried. apt-cacher is CGI and thus hangs off an installed copy of apache. (whereas apt-proxy is standalone.) |
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| 14:08.15 | eps | the java-package section |
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| 14:08.23 | IsoLnCHiP | Does anyone have experience running debian primarily off any kind of limited space storage (CF, Usb stick, etc.) and falling back to an HD on demand? (Id like to get my router quiet) |
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| 14:08.37 | petemc | IsoLnCHiP: look at pebble linux |
| 14:08.58 | schmoe | hey all |
| 14:08.58 | Delph | eps: read it carefully |
| 14:09.08 | Delph | it's been through a few names. |
| 14:09.16 | schmoe | i've just configured a wifi card but need to let data pass thru it now |
| 14:09.25 | schmoe | i think its being blocked by the firewall ? |
| 14:09.39 | schmoe | any suggestions ? |
| 14:09.45 | eps | Delph yes, my bad, is that not excessively complicated for some one new to debian? |
| 14:09.50 | sep | IsoLnCHiP: i run leaf.sf.net of 16 MB cf cards with ide socets on them. |
| 14:09.52 | IsoLnCHiP | petemc: Is it debian based? (im kind of reluctant to get into a different distro ATM) |
| 14:10.00 | tdonahue | peterS, I have apt-proxy working except for the import of my existing files, i'm not too worried about the import though, since most of my machines are up to date |
| 14:10.01 | asg | schmoe: can you ping the firewall or other machines on your network? |
| 14:10.06 | tra1a1a | schmoe: a lot - depending where "the firewall" is |
| 14:10.09 | petemc | IsoLnCHiP: i believe it is, it wouldnt be that hard to find out for sure tho |
| 14:10.11 | schmoe | yes but not on that interface |
| 14:10.20 | schmoe | it's not receiving an IP address |
| 14:10.23 | wombachi | The USB layer on my 2.6.8 kernel is frozen. How could I know what's going on and debug it? I got 2 'I/O' processes (khubd, scsi_eh_0 : ps show a 'D' state). Probably a kernel bug... |
| 14:10.27 | IsoLnCHiP | petemc: Ok, thx Ill look into it |
| 14:10.29 | asg | schmoe: man 5 interfaces |
| 14:10.34 | asg | schmoe: man 7 wireless |
| 14:10.41 | schmoe | ok ill check them out |
| 14:10.48 | sep | IsoLnCHiP: leaf.sf.net uses debian style directory structure and boot, it donsnt use .deb ofcourse due to size. but i found it quite easy |
| 14:10.49 | eps | Delph I'm confused as to what to do next, java-package is installed, though java doesn't do anything (tab complete etc) |
| 14:10.58 | wombachi | modprobe usb-storage hangs the console (no way to kill it). lsusb too, cat /proc/bus/usb too. I'm lost. Time to upgrade kernel? |
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| 14:11.17 | asg | wombachi: what version are you using now? |
| 14:11.27 | asg | wombachi: sorry, missed your earlier bit |
| 14:11.32 | peterS | wombachi: quite possibly. if you upgrade to 2.6.10 or higher, you should also look into the 'ub' module, which is an alternate usb-storage access mechanism that doesn't depend on the scsi layer |
| 14:11.32 | wombachi | asg Sarge 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 14:11.47 | Delph | eps: read the README |
| 14:11.54 | Delph | (/usr/share/doc/java-package/ |
| 14:11.58 | eps | Delph thanks |
| 14:12.06 | peterS | wombachi: ub is slower than usb-storage but in some cases more reliable. I'm not entirely sure whether the debian 'makedev' package supports it yet |
| 14:12.25 | Delph | basically, make-jpkg <binfile from sun> && dpkg -i <.deb produced> |
| 14:12.40 | wombachi | peterS what's the device I must use after 'modprobe ub'? not /dev/sda1, yes, but ? |
| 14:12.50 | peterS | wombachi: /dev/uba1 |
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| 14:13.08 | peterS | wombachi: which has to be created since debian systems don't ship with it. that's why you have to have makedev support for it, which I forget whether sarge / sid do have |
| 14:13.13 | IsoLnCHiP | sep: thx, looking into that as well. |
| 14:13.31 | wombachi | peterS do you know the major/minor for /dev/uba1 ? |
| 14:13.33 | sep | IsoLnCHiP: leaf.sf.net have several branches or styles. i use bering or bering-uclibc |
| 14:13.36 | eps | Delph I have no idea where apt has put java-package to find the binary :| |
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| 14:13.43 | eps | or do I need to grab that myself |
| 14:13.45 | eps | gah |
| 14:13.53 | peterS | wombachi: that's the thing - ub was introduced in 2.6.9 but its major number was changed in 2.6.10. let me look it up |
| 14:13.59 | eps | I'll start from the beginning |
| 14:14.16 | Delph | eps: read what i said... the *package* is java-package, the *executable* is make-jpkg |
| 14:14.16 | wombachi | peterS ok, thanks :) |
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| 14:14.46 | eps | Delph yes but I have no binary, or is that the one I dled from java.com |
| 14:15.00 | peterS | wombachi: major 180. so /dev/uba is 180,0 /dev/uba1 is 180,1 etc. |
| 14:15.06 | IsoLnCHiP | Though im kind of hopeing to find a way to migrate my current setup to CF. It would be easy if it would all fit, but I have to many programs which I dont use frequently, but du want to have access to when in need. As such run off CF most of the time, and then just have the HD spin up when I access a programm I rarely need |
| 14:15.20 | eps | there we go :) |
| 14:15.22 | Delph | eps: ".bin" file |
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| 14:16.10 | pea | it's 10:16 PM |
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| 14:16.23 | tra1a1a | no, it's not |
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| 14:16.31 | pea | here is |
| 14:16.42 | tra1a1a | no, it isn't here |
| 14:16.51 | pea | what's the time? |
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| 14:17.09 | tra1a1a | that will depend on the location |
| 14:17.10 | peterS | wombachi: looks like makedev 2.3.1-76 added support for /dev/ub* |
| 14:17.40 | peterS | wombachi: so it's in both sarge and sid |
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| 14:18.23 | wombachi | peterS Thanks. I'll try to build a new kernel with 'ub'. Do you know the name of that option (make menuconfig?) |
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| 14:18.41 | kingsley | Can email addresses contain the "_" character? |
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| 14:18.55 | peterS | kingsley: yes, in the user part. not in the domain. |
| 14:19.11 | wombachi | peterS: Seems like it's bug #272693 |
| 14:19.14 | kingsley | peterS: Thanks. |
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| 14:19.31 | peterS | wombachi: <M> Low Performance USB Block driver |
| 14:19.36 | eps | thanks Delph :) - works nicely :D |
| 14:19.38 | peterS | wombachi: but it's under "Block devices", not "USB" |
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| 14:19.57 | Delph | eps: see what i mean about actually being quite easy, when you get the idea =:) |
| 14:20.11 | Delph | maybe the dpkg facts need updating to be more explicit. |
| 14:20.17 | wombachi | peterS That's why I did found it :) |
| 14:20.52 | eps | Delph I'd be happy to help rewrite some parts :P |
| 14:21.20 | peterS | hmmm, almost exactly 2 hours ago I said "<peterS> I should go to bed soon anyway" - in another channel. guess I really should now |
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| 14:21.33 | eps | lol |
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| 14:21.47 | tra1a1a | good night, peterS |
| 14:21.49 | greycat | !bob2smite peterS |
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| 14:21.55 | greycat | awww. |
| 14:21.56 | peterS | greycat: ha |
| 14:22.04 | peterS | greycat: don't worry, I know what you meant |
| 14:22.19 | jethro | a smite full of typos? :) |
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| 14:22.25 | wombachi | peterS Thanks for your help :) |
| 14:22.29 | greycat | !be bob2 |
| 14:22.30 | peterS | np |
| 14:22.30 | dpkg | greycat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 14:22.35 | greycat | hmm. |
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| 14:22.52 | peterS | greycat: it's a factoid with alternates |
| 14:22.58 | greycat | ah, it's randomized. I got the unlucky 1/3 chance on the public one. |
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| 14:23.08 | Cyanophytes | bbs |
| 14:23.15 | hellop | I need some help getting my sound working. In knoppix it works, Debian sarge 2.4 kernel, no worky. What can I look for in Knoppix, 2.6 kernel, so I can duplicate it in Debian? |
| 14:23.18 | greycat | no, not 1/3. more subtle. |
| 14:23.35 | jerome | did someone heard of some specs for debian packaging system (specs for dpkg for instance), as the debian doc "dpkg internals" is really thin. |
| 14:23.41 | greycat | looks like 1/4 on the second reading. |
| 14:23.42 | Blissex | hellop: read http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2 |
| 14:23.42 | peterS | the dpkg RNG kind of sucks |
| 14:23.42 | asg | hellop: /msg dpkg sound |
| 14:23.45 | wombachi | hellop Perhaps use same kernel? uname -a |
| 14:23.48 | peterS | so you never know |
| 14:24.04 | hellop | wombachi, gotta keep my 2.4 kernel |
| 14:24.06 | asg | jerome: /msg dpkg mg |
| 14:24.08 | greycat | anyway, go to bed and take bob2 with you :) |
| 14:24.11 | Blissex | jerome: if anybody tried, they probably went insane before they could finish :-) |
| 14:24.21 | stew | peterssmite greycat |
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| 14:24.26 | peterS | I'm going, I'm going. night, greycat |
| 14:24.37 | wombachi | hellop k, so find and load the correct (2.4) kernel module. lsmod |
| 14:24.41 | hellop | tks |
| 14:25.03 | peterS | (well, for some definition of 'night' that includes the sun being well up for both you and me) |
| 14:25.14 | asg | peterS: close the curtains lad |
| 14:25.16 | jethro | good night peterS |
| 14:25.46 | stew | !wikifaq hellop UseSoundCard |
| 14:25.47 | lindinha | oioiiii!!!!!! |
| 14:25.48 | dpkg | hellop: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:25.49 | jerome | asg: ho, I'm looking for a technical spec, not a maintainer guide actually. |
| 14:26.26 | hellop | Can someone explain the reasoning behind choosing alsa or oss? It's on or the other right? |
| 14:26.34 | hellop | on=one |
| 14:26.40 | mrbuckets | Ok, so I just installed Debian on this hp netserver LC 2000r. During the installation, the ethernet card was picked up, but now that I've rebooted, the base system does not have record of the ethernet card. Any ideas? |
| 14:26.43 | Blissex | hellop: just use ALSA... OSS is on the way out. |
| 14:26.50 | directhex|work | hellop, oss "just works", alsa does extra things |
| 14:26.50 | spoopin | asg: hi |
| 14:26.52 | wombachi | jerome: dont know if there are specs, but there is src code at least |
| 14:26.54 | asg | spoopin: hiya |
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| 14:27.05 | hellop | some apps use alsa, some use oss? |
| 14:27.08 | asg | spoopin: you get my mail by chance? |
| 14:27.12 | directhex|work | hellop, e.g. alsa can do 5.1 sound, software driver-level mixing for non-hardware-mixing cards |
| 14:27.20 | jerome | wombachi: yep, I was just wondering ... |
| 14:27.22 | _oc | alsa has oss compatibility too |
| 14:27.31 | spoopin | asg: yeah.. how about noonish? I gotta go out for other stuff anyway |
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| 14:27.41 | asg | spoopin: that's fine, take your time. No rush |
| 14:27.43 | hellop | ok |
| 14:27.46 | directhex|work | hellop, yes, generally apps use one or t'other. some offer multiple output plugins, for daemons such as esd and arts. and alsa can play oss apps, but not vice versa |
| 14:27.50 | _oc | oss doesn't always "just work" ;) |
| 14:28.03 | _oc | i.e. bad sync and so on with mplayerhq |
| 14:28.06 | wombachi | hellop oss is older, more basic, alsa is more 'plugin-oriented' (dont know exact word, I'm not native speaker) |
| 14:28.14 | spoopin | asg: alright. I'll call you before I leave.. |
| 14:28.20 | asg | spoopin: cool, thanks again. |
| 14:28.26 | spoopin | asg: np |
| 14:28.27 | alexmacy | hi |
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| 14:28.31 | hellop | wombachi, modular |
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| 14:28.37 | directhex|work | _oc, greycat will insist oss just works. |
| 14:28.45 | greycat | wombachi: I think what you're looking for is "fancy, bloated and complex" |
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| 14:28.56 | wombachi | hellop thanks |
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| 14:29.09 | alexmacy | i'm looking for a precise descirption of how the package-dependency system works |
| 14:29.17 | alexmacy | if possible with algo or pseudo-code |
| 14:29.26 | greycat | alexmacy: why? |
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| 14:29.38 | wombachi | greycat yes, modular often means bloated. But not allways. Sometimes very usefull (and more easy to maintain code) |
| 14:29.44 | Vladi | hi, does anyone know why only part of horde3 is in sarge some parts like kronolith are missing? anyone know any info as to why and when they might be in there? |
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| 14:29.56 | asg | Vladi: /msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing |
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| 14:30.53 | wombachi | greycat but you're right. Alsa isnt that simple indeed (must load 10s of modules, then set up volume above zero, then... oss is just 'insmod soundcard' :) |
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| 14:30.59 | positrix | at least twice a week i miss-type debian as "debain" :( |
| 14:31.16 | alexmacy | greycat, because i'm developping a similar system for java-based library, and i want to know more about it |
| 14:31.21 | Vladi | asg: thx |
| 14:31.21 | Ashen | at least you diddn't mis-type 'debian-base' as 'debase' |
| 14:31.35 | asg | deplane, deplane! |
| 14:31.41 | wombachi | positrix my keyboard often forgets the 'e' (dbian). I'll buy a better one :p |
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| 14:32.27 | asg | positrix: write a script for your irc client that autofixes things before sending to channel. |
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| 14:34.05 | ayman_ | can't run apt-cacher. whern using web browser i see the page http://xxxxxx/apt-cacher , put whe try to do apt-det install update , you just get waiting for header for long time |
| 14:34.19 | giupy_ | how can i see wich cluster size do i use in a partition ? |
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| 14:36.25 | hellop | The sound module is loaded, but unused. |
| 14:37.07 | directhex|work | !insmod |
| 14:37.07 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
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| 14:40.58 | tarzeau | giupy_: you mean inode size? |
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| 14:43.15 | asg | giupy_: tune2fs -l /dev/foo provides quite a bit of info |
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| 14:50.50 | b0ef | anyone know of any tools to generate an image/picture file from random data? |
| 14:51.17 | Anthro | b0ef: You want a white noise image? |
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| 14:51.56 | b0ef | Anthro: no, I need to generate a picture from files |
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| 14:52.13 | youbaji | how about gnuplot? |
| 14:52.38 | b0ef | youbaji: hmm, it generates images?; thought it was doing graphs |
| 14:52.40 | Anthro | b0ef: What kind of image are you trying to generate? A plot? A grid visualization? |
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| 14:53.16 | tarzeau | b0ef: there's some png tool to do that stuff |
| 14:53.21 | b0ef | Anthro: just an image that you can view that to some degree represent the file you gave it |
| 14:53.29 | greycat | represents *how*? |
| 14:53.30 | tarzeau | b0ef: pngwriter.sf.net ? |
| 14:53.32 | b0ef | doesn't have to be technically correct |
| 14:53.40 | Mage\work | b0ef: and how do you represent à binary file ? |
| 14:53.44 | b0ef | yup, looking at pngwriter, but looking for tools already made |
| 14:53.47 | greycat | "I drew a picture of a sun because it was a happy file"? |
| 14:53.59 | Jacobo221 | is there a way to have X re-read the XFConfig-4 file while running? |
| 14:54.04 | tarzeau | greycat: probably more like different colors for different bytes |
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| 14:54.17 | greycat | tarzeau: he needs to SAY this, if that's what he means. |
| 14:54.19 | b0ef | Mage\work: there would be lots of colors in it;) |
| 14:54.20 | tarzeau | greycat: no idea. there existed some graphics ripping software and browsing files like that |
| 14:54.46 | b0ef | tarzeau: yup |
| 14:55.17 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: if using iptables with ip forwarding and NAT can ISPs or such on the internet side see multiple MAC addresses from the inside? |
| 14:55.31 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: the ISP should only see one interface connected to them right? |
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| 14:55.53 | Mage\work | b0ef: why do you want to do that ? |
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| 14:56.26 | b0ef | Mage\work: I need to do this for an artist; he has some medical data files and he wants to generate a picture from each of them |
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| 14:56.59 | Jacobo221 | is anyone here having sidewinder module autoloaded? |
| 14:57.00 | asg | b0ef: cat them to /dev/dsp and generate a waveform of the horrid noise. |
| 14:57.01 | b0ef | I don't need anything correct, just like an image hash, in a way |
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| 14:57.24 | b0ef | asg: ;) |
| 14:57.25 | Anthro | b0ef: b0ef It sounds like you are looking for a data visualization package. Try doing a google search for it. |
| 14:57.30 | Mage\work | and data files are in wich format ? |
| 14:57.43 | b0ef | edf |
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| 14:58.02 | Mage\work | edf ? |
| 14:58.06 | tarzeau | asg: maybe use some fancy rev and tac filter or even sox |
| 14:58.14 | b0ef | Anthro: yup, trying |
| 14:58.32 | hellop | Sarge installed via82cxxx_audio mod which doesn't work, There was a reference to via86cxxx_audio, which search googl yeilds 6 results. Either it's a typo, or.. How can I find it? |
| 14:58.33 | b0ef | Mage\work: it's a pseudo standard for medical recordings |
| 14:58.33 | K_Dallas | i am still confused as what b0ef, you need but sounds wierd to take medical images and do an artistic work out of them ;) |
| 14:58.33 | tarzeau | asg: i wonder if it's fun to use sox on the currently displayed data on the videoscreen |
| 14:58.43 | Anthro | b0ef: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22data+visualization%22+edf+linux&btnG=Search |
| 14:59.12 | b0ef | K_Dallas: yes, but an artist don't care about exactness |
| 14:59.26 | K_Dallas | well, an example would help to grasp what you really want to do |
| 14:59.26 | b0ef | Anthro: yup, found many, but none suited me, so now I just looking for a simple app to generate image files out of random data |
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| 14:59.34 | asg | tarzeau: I doubt it; it rather sounds like something from a Dirk Gently novel. |
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| 15:00.05 | tarzeau | asg: what did dirk gently do? use a bread knife on non-bread? |
| 15:00.07 | Anthro | b0ef: Is the data laid out in a grid? |
| 15:00.08 | b0ef | ;), random data image generator; it really ain't that hard to grasp |
| 15:00.19 | Mage\work | you could try a python thing like print 'P6\n640 480 255\n', print ''.join( map( chr , [ random.randint( 256 ) for i in range( 640*480*3 ) ] ) |
| 15:00.36 | asg | tarzeau: something like that ;) |
| 15:00.37 | Anthro | b0ef: you don't mean random, you mean arbitrary. |
| 15:00.38 | b0ef | Anthro: I don't know how edf is structured |
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| 15:00.44 | golya | Hi! I'd like to achieve, that debian apps "tals to me" in my language. dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't help. :( What can I do? |
| 15:00.50 | b0ef | Anthro: yes, arbitrary, sorry |
| 15:00.56 | NOthsouth | hey, where ca I find information about shell scripts?? I want to make a shell script for backups.. |
| 15:01.01 | NOthsouth | and use crontab |
| 15:01.03 | greycat | NOthsouth: /topic #bash |
| 15:01.06 | greycat | NOthsouth: man 5 crontab |
| 15:01.11 | NOthsouth | :D |
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| 15:01.44 | NOthsouth | where I type that?: |
| 15:01.52 | b0ef | arbitrary data image generator;) |
| 15:02.07 | Anthro | b0ef: You need something that reads EDF and produces a meaningful image. You're only going to find that in a commercial dataviz package. |
| 15:02.14 | K_Dallas | b0ef, the files you get your data from, they are numerical data or ...? |
| 15:02.26 | NOthsouth | what is the best way for backups? |
| 15:02.28 | Anthro | K_Dallas: http://www.hsr.nl/edf/specs/edf.html |
| 15:02.28 | NOthsouth | tar ? |
| 15:02.30 | K_Dallas | (i dont know what edf is that is what i asked) |
| 15:02.34 | b0ef | Anthro: no, I couldn't care less about edf; that's why I'm saying arbitrary data |
| 15:02.35 | K_Dallas | thanks :) |
| 15:02.54 | Anthro | b0ef: You just want to take bytes out of the file and turn them into pixels? |
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| 15:03.07 | b0ef | echo ehlo > foobar && generate_image --file foobar |
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| 15:03.16 | b0ef | Anthro: yes |
| 15:03.38 | Anthro | b0ef: Oy. Grayscale or color? |
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| 15:03.48 | b0ef | Anthro: think he wants color |
| 15:04.10 | NOthsouth | ? |
| 15:04.32 | Alex_zap | Hello! I'm need a help to configure the X Server. Somebody can help me? |
| 15:04.47 | K_Dallas | Alex_zap, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:04.47 | asg | NOthsouth: type '/topic #bash' in your irc client. type 'man 5 crontab' on your debian box. |
| 15:04.48 | drac | Alex_zap: Sure, what's the problem? |
| 15:04.50 | Mage\work | Alex_zap: xf86config |
| 15:05.01 | HansZ | Alex_zap: Ofcourse we would, tell us what's the prob :) |
| 15:05.02 | asg | !drxx Alex_zap |
| 15:05.08 | karim | hi |
| 15:05.09 | HansZ | !asg asg |
| 15:05.12 | karim | anyone in the US here ? |
| 15:05.19 | dpkg | Alex_zap: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 15:05.21 | Alex_zap | I try configure the Server X in a old machine. |
| 15:05.26 | drac | Mage\work: xf86config is fine for XFree 3.x but it's little retarded when it comes to 4.x configuration. |
| 15:05.26 | HansZ | I've got washington on my T-shirt karim |
| 15:05.26 | asg | !drxx |
| 15:05.27 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 15:05.32 | pureone | uk |
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| 15:05.33 | FarrisG | what's the difference/preference between debmirror and apt-mirror? |
| 15:05.38 | karim | I wanted to know what is the cost of inter city travels in the US |
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| 15:05.45 | Alex_zap | The vgacard is a tgui9660 |
| 15:05.56 | Anthro | b0ef: Okay. Here's what you do. First, take the size of the file and pad it with zero bytes out to a reasonable aspect ratio. For simplicity, you can make it square. Then you add a PPM header. You then have an image. |
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| 15:05.59 | jethro | karim: how bout you google a bit? |
| 15:06.00 | karim | HansZ: what is the cost of whashington newyork |
| 15:06.00 | karim | ? |
| 15:06.14 | HansZ | karim: I don't know.. just have Washington on my t-shirt |
| 15:06.18 | karim | jethro: give me a company name |
| 15:06.26 | jethro | !handhold karim |
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| 15:06.30 | NOthsouth | asg, thx |
| 15:06.32 | karim | jethro: it's just to have an idea |
| 15:06.36 | b0ef | yes, but I'm sure someone has already made some tools for this |
| 15:06.37 | Alex_zap | I use the VESA driver, but show a fail at the top of screen. |
| 15:06.42 | Anthro | b0ef: Note that you need the size in bytes to be three times the number of pixels, since you want color (R, G, B for each pixel). |
| 15:06.43 | jethro | karim: I don't know, just google it ffs |
| 15:06.49 | asg | karim: http://greyhound.com/home.asp |
| 15:07.05 | Anthro | b0ef: No, because it's both a simple and crackheaded task. |
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| 15:07.33 | b0ef | Anthro: I'll find it before I code it;) |
| 15:07.54 | golya | What configuration changes the environment variables, which affect the locales used? |
| 15:07.57 | Anthro | b0ef: Yeah, good luck with that. We're talking a dozen lines of C. |
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| 15:08.00 | drac | Alex_zap: Insn't that Trident card? Use driver "trident", not "vesa". |
| 15:08.12 | yang | Someone knows for a torrent site with mp3 downloads? |
| 15:08.18 | b0ef | Anthro: probably with lots of other nifty switches |
| 15:08.31 | jethro | cd /pub && more drinks |
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| 15:08.47 | Anthro | b0ef: I don't think you're going to find anything of the sort. |
| 15:08.47 | b0ef | Anthro: thanks anyway |
| 15:08.52 | asg | jethro: better to use ; instead of && since if you fail to get to the pub, you can still drink |
| 15:09.11 | b0ef | Anthro: I'm pretty sure I will; I've seen it before too |
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| 15:09.24 | golya | somebody using locales? |
| 15:09.27 | Anthro | b0ef: it is just possible that, by specifying width and height on the commandline, ImageMagick can treat it as raw binary data and turn it into an image. |
| 15:09.32 | swatikiss | how do i restart networking ? |
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| 15:09.44 | asg | swatikiss: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:09.46 | golya | swatikiss: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:09.47 | b0ef | Anthro: yeah, would be nice |
| 15:09.49 | swatikiss | thanks :P |
| 15:10.37 | karim | asg: thanks, and for train :p |
| 15:10.46 | asg | karim: google for amtrak |
| 15:11.02 | greycat | golya: /msg dpkg anyone use |
| 15:11.24 | K_Dallas | How do you read HowTos on your box? I have always read them thru googling but i have noticed that for instance there is a texdoc for tetex to bring in documents (if available) for the package or .. that i ask for. is there something like this for howtos? |
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| 15:11.31 | jbl | morning sucksz |
| 15:11.37 | yang | where could i get electronic music in mp3 format? |
| 15:11.46 | swatikiss | when using kismet ~ must you be connected / associated to use ? |
| 15:11.52 | asg | K_Dallas: apt-cache search doc-linux |
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| 15:12.00 | K_Dallas | thx asg |
| 15:12.09 | asg | yang: http://localhost |
| 15:12.14 | RichiH | streuner: heh, i fear i have kind of a lag, today ;) |
| 15:12.29 | K_Dallas | ;) asg |
| 15:12.31 | stew | yang: sound-recorder | lame ; and sing into the microphone |
| 15:12.40 | Mage\work | krkrkr |
| 15:12.51 | yang | damn you people have no sense for humour |
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| 15:13.19 | K_Dallas | they actually do or you have been banned ;) |
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| 15:13.33 | jasoncohen | is there a howto on building debs? |
| 15:13.38 | golya | greycat: funny, but I'd like to use locales... |
| 15:13.45 | karim | asg I have found it. ok it's expensive too. I was comparing the price to here in france. I think it's expensive. |
| 15:13.48 | stew | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 15:13.49 | karim | :/ |
| 15:13.50 | jasoncohen | i want to build a new version of gaim-otr. I have all the deps and i have built it from source |
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| 15:14.00 | stew | jasoncohen: oh, then /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 15:14.05 | stew | jasoncohen: or /msg dpkg source |
| 15:14.07 | golya | dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't do anything visible |
| 15:14.09 | karim | if you need to go back home weekly it's very expensive |
| 15:14.15 | jasoncohen | thanks stew |
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| 15:14.20 | greycat | golya: so what's your *question*? |
| 15:14.30 | greycat | golya: is that package installed? |
| 15:14.36 | golya | of course |
| 15:14.36 | greycat | golya: if so, which version of it? |
| 15:14.46 | greycat | there is no "of course" in #debian. |
| 15:14.59 | HansZ | ofcourse |
| 15:15.00 | greg_work | what causes "martian source <my eth0 ip> from 127.0.0.1, on dev eth0" and how do i fix it? I never had this problem until I changed to a new IP |
| 15:15.02 | greycat | we can't even assume people are still *breathing* in this place. |
| 15:15.07 | golya | locales version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
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| 15:15.33 | greycat | golya: dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales, then. just in case you did something fucktarded like choosing "high" for debconf's priority. |
| 15:15.46 | asg | karim: yes, you might get a cheaper flight |
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| 15:15.57 | stew | greycat: -plow is the default for dpkg-reconfigure anyway |
| 15:16.15 | stew | greycat: regardless of debconf setting |
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| 15:16.22 | greycat | stew: ok... |
| 15:16.42 | stew | of course it certainly doesn't hurt |
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| 15:17.24 | HansZ | there is no "of course" in #debian. Of course |
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| 15:17.39 | NOthsouth | hey guys |
| 15:17.52 | golya | greycat: /etc/environment has a line LANGUAGE and LANG. LANGUAGE doesn't contain my language, but LANG does :-/ |
| 15:17.53 | HansZ | don't forget the girls |
| 15:18.10 | NOthsouth | I want to share my desktop, grdesktop can do that? |
| 15:18.11 | mrbuckets | what? girls? |
| 15:18.20 | NOthsouth | There is any servers |
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| 15:18.43 | HansZ | NOthsouth: what about vncserver? |
| 15:18.50 | asg | greg_work: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/*/log_martians |
| 15:19.01 | NOthsouth | yes but |
| 15:19.01 | HansZ | NOthsouth: works even on my 120mhz laptop :) |
| 15:19.06 | HansZ | launage |
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| 15:19.22 | directhex|work | NOthsouth, grdesktop is a gnome frontend to rdesktop, which is a client for viewing microsoft windows rdp servers |
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| 15:19.42 | NOthsouth | hum |
| 15:19.44 | NOthsouth | well |
| 15:19.47 | HansZ | not well |
| 15:19.50 | NOthsouth | i have a debian server |
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| 15:20.02 | HansZ | that's nice |
| 15:20.16 | NOthsouth | i want the other peoples (windows clients) can use the linux |
| 15:20.24 | asg | NOthsouth: have them ssh into it then |
| 15:20.25 | directhex|work | then you want vnc, or perhaps xdmcp |
| 15:20.26 | HansZ | Then vnc is a great sollution |
| 15:20.49 | NOthsouth | Humm |
| 15:20.49 | NOthsouth | can i control everything with ssh ? |
| 15:20.51 | NOthsouth | just like another desktop ? |
| 15:20.51 | HansZ | NOthsouth: except the Xserver |
| 15:20.55 | s4m | hello everyone |
| 15:20.58 | pea | I think so |
| 15:21.02 | mrbuckets | hi s4m |
| 15:21.04 | NOthsouth | xserver? |
| 15:21.10 | NOthsouth | you mean console? |
| 15:21.19 | pea | ssh |
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| 15:21.29 | HansZ | NOthsouth: No.. SSH is like the bash of Linux, the xserver is the graphcal interface of linux |
| 15:21.41 | NOthsouth | well, Ijust want use the same machine for 2 user |
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| 15:21.46 | rend | I'm thinking of getting a wireless card for my laptop.. should I get 802.11g? is .11g compat with .11a and .11b? |
| 15:21.57 | HansZ | NOthsouth: VNC will suite you.. |
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| 15:22.00 | NOthsouth | i mean, 2 people can use the same machine at same time |
| 15:22.02 | Anthro | b0ef: convert -depth 8 -size <width>x<height> rgb:raw <file> |
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| 15:22.05 | mrbuckets | rend: g is backwards compatible |
| 15:22.06 | petemc | rend: depends on the card, most g should work with b, but not all do a |
| 15:22.06 | directhex|work | rend, g and a are both 54mbit, backwards compatible to 11mbit b |
| 15:22.08 | greycat | NOthsouth: if they don't want graphics, ssh will do everything they require. |
| 15:22.16 | directhex|work | rend, a is illegal in europe, hence rarer than g |
| 15:22.16 | NOthsouth | i need grapych |
| 15:22.20 | NOthsouth | vnc is no t good |
| 15:22.25 | b0ef | Anthro: hehe, nice, I'll try |
| 15:22.28 | NOthsouth | because the mouse is busy |
| 15:22.38 | directhex|work | NOthsouth, i've already given you your options. |
| 15:22.39 | greycat | NOthsouth: then you'll need a second machine for the graphics to be displayed upon, unless you plan to let them take turns. |
| 15:22.40 | NOthsouth | if one of them move the mouse, the mouse will move too |
| 15:22.48 | greycat | oh, so there are two mice? |
| 15:22.49 | s4m | got a problem with xterm under fvwm: ugly fonts that look bitmap ones at low resolution... does anyone have a way to get rid off this? |
| 15:22.53 | HansZ | NOthsouth: typ this in your debian(terminal): apt-get install vncserver && vncserver :1 -name "Name of vnc server" -geometry 800x600 |
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| 15:23.22 | directhex|work | NOthsouth, just because you're too inpet to run two NVC server sessions, doesn't mean it's not the right solution |
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| 15:23.28 | directhex|work | *VNC |
| 15:23.34 | HansZ | I agree |
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| 15:24.36 | NOthsouth | HansZ, humm. then I 'll be able to get more desktops.. allowing people move 2 mouses? |
| 15:25.05 | rend | can anyone suggest a good pcmcia card that will give me compatability with a,b and g? |
| 15:25.13 | HansZ | NOthsouth: if your configure your Vnc client optimal, yes.. and change that anonying nickname please.. |
| 15:25.32 | petemc | HansZ: why is that nick more annoyinh than yours? |
| 15:25.47 | HansZ | petemc: because he has a big o |
| 15:25.52 | petemc | so |
| 15:25.58 | directhex|work | i consider everyone who isn't directhex to be an annoyance |
| 15:25.59 | mrbuckets | : ) you have abig Z |
| 15:26.01 | NOthsouth | i can't because i already registrate |
| 15:26.02 | pentium451 | sO |
| 15:26.09 | mrbuckets | s/abig/a big/ |
| 15:26.09 | NOthsouth | I do what you said |
| 15:26.21 | WhiteRabbit | OZ |
| 15:26.23 | hansz | fine :) |
| 15:26.34 | NOthsouth | now , I can open another vnc on osho:1 |
| 15:26.34 | NOthsouth | but |
| 15:26.35 | mrbuckets | hansz: that's what I like to see. |
| 15:26.40 | NOthsouth | there is anything on osho:1 |
| 15:26.45 | hansz | mrbuckets: that's what i don't wanna hear.. |
| 15:26.46 | NOthsouth | just a black screen |
| 15:26.46 | mrbuckets | hansz: put your money where your wife is |
| 15:26.53 | NOthsouth | how did I configure |
| 15:26.55 | hansz | :/ |
| 15:27.07 | mrbuckets | hansz: I jest I jest |
| 15:27.18 | hansz | mrbuckets: 'put your money where your wife is', what the hell do you mean by that |
| 15:27.20 | mrbuckets | NOthsouth: man vncserver |
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| 15:28.17 | mrbuckets | hansz: Nothing really. It was a poor attempt at a play on words. Put your money where your mouth is. |
| 15:28.32 | mrbuckets | while at the same time alluding to the fact that my wife spends my money |
| 15:28.43 | hansz | haha that's so true |
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| 15:30.18 | hansz | strange sounds in my stomach.. |
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| 15:30.31 | hansz | think he said 'im hungry fool!' |
| 15:30.31 | asg | hansz: that's just your inner moron |
| 15:30.33 | b0ef | Anthro: I'm getting unexpected end of file, even if the raw file is above 30Mio |
| 15:30.40 | hansz | asg: nah it isn't like yours |
| 15:31.05 | Anthro | b0ef: It sounds like you still need to pad the file. And did you calculate the width and height properly? |
| 15:31.14 | asg | mine doesn't sound like Mr. T either. |
| 15:31.22 | hansz | :) |
| 15:31.30 | sph_ | hey folks ..i'Ve got a problem. allmost everys time i boot my debian i prints out errors saying ,that my root FS is read only. same error wenn reinstalling it, oder installing an other flavor of debian (knoppix, ubuntu,...) never had that error with woody |
| 15:31.54 | asg | sph_: did you fsck it? |
| 15:31.59 | b0ef | Anthro: no, didn't think I needed that now; I'm not the one who is going to use this; it's an artist |
| 15:32.05 | directhex|work | i got confused. what os do you have installed, and what errors? |
| 15:32.05 | hansz | !hi |
| 15:32.05 | dpkg | hello, hansz |
| 15:32.07 | hansz | !hello |
| 15:32.07 | dpkg | Hi, hansz! |
| 15:32.10 | hansz | woot |
| 15:32.14 | hansz | it can talk... it's alive! |
| 15:32.18 | s4m | does anyone have an idea bout weird fonts in an xterm? |
| 15:32.19 | NOthsouth | mrbuckets, how did i configure the anoter vcn osho:1 ? .. |
| 15:32.22 | directhex|work | !stupid bot tricks |
| 15:32.22 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. /join #debian-bots and play there |
| 15:32.23 | asg | hansz: play with the bots privately or in #debian-bots |
| 15:32.28 | NOthsouth | i want allow everything |
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| 15:32.31 | hansz | s4m: didn't sign a weird font currently |
| 15:32.32 | b0ef | Anthro: anyways, thanks for the tip |
| 15:32.32 | sph_ | asg, i happens als o after a clean install when the disk gets formated |
| 15:32.48 | hansz | asg: sorry dude.. don't be so.. anonying-sensitive please :/ |
| 15:32.52 | directhex|work | NOthsouth, have you read the documentation on vncserver? |
| 15:33.12 | directhex|work | sph_, clean install of *what* |
| 15:33.29 | sph_ | sarge |
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| 15:33.36 | sph_ | from the netinstall disk |
| 15:33.36 | mrbuckets | NOthsouth: very carefully |
| 15:33.39 | ruede | hi all |
| 15:33.45 | hansz | hi ruede |
| 15:34.20 | sph_ | maintainancemode works fine (booting the second entry in the default grub menu) |
| 15:34.22 | hansz | VNC: 1: 'Handle with care' 2: RTFM 3: Don't be lazy 4: Get a life |
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| 15:34.45 | ruede | mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdb1 wont work with a 250gb hdd, any tips anybody ? |
| 15:34.49 | directhex|work | ruede, which version of debian? |
| 15:34.55 | greycat | !won't work |
| 15:34.55 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:35.14 | greycat | does FAT even support file systems that large? |
| 15:35.19 | stew | sph_: when do you see this error? |
| 15:35.20 | directhex|work | yes |
| 15:35.21 | ruede | 3.1 or so 2.6.10 kernel.. |
| 15:35.25 | directhex|work | fat supports 2Tb iirc |
| 15:35.26 | asg | greycat: you need a special option |
| 15:35.35 | hansz | !iirc |
| 15:35.35 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 15:35.46 | s4m | ruede: vfat isn't able to handle such a capacity |
| 15:35.50 | directhex|work | as to whether the mkfs -t vfat does, i don't know |
| 15:35.57 | directhex|work | but the fat32 file system does allow it |
| 15:36.18 | ruede | how is the option for fat32 called ß |
| 15:36.31 | sph_ | @stew almost everytime i'm booting. a lots of errors i nthe flavor of "...root fs is read onlys" .." filesystem mounted as readonly.." then syslogd hangs vor about 2 min.. booting conitnues and then x hangs because the FS is readonly ... |
| 15:36.33 | ravenbird | that's too long, sph_ |
| 15:36.36 | K_Dallas | make-kpkg, do i need to install kernel source to get this? |
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| 15:37.22 | directhex|work | K_Dallas, you need to install kernel-package. |
| 15:37.33 | K_Dallas | ok, thank you |
| 15:37.57 | yang | which software is also for mp3 downloads beside gift? |
| 15:38.03 | sonderblade | is there a way to apt-get i686 compiled packages? |
| 15:38.09 | hansz | yang: Not a legal question.. |
| 15:38.21 | greycat | sonderblade: about 3 of them, yes. |
| 15:38.23 | jasoncohen | stew, i was able to rebuild the gaim-otr 2.0.1 package fine but 2.0.2 isn't in unstable. what do i have to do to prepare the source so i can build a package from it? |
| 15:38.33 | K_Dallas | yang: forget about mp3 or join a warez group |
| 15:38.38 | directhex|work | jasoncohen, dh_make |
| 15:38.42 | sonderblade | greycat: how? |
| 15:38.44 | greycat | sonderblade: apt-cache search 686; apt-cache search mmx |
| 15:38.46 | directhex|work | yang, www.bleep.com |
| 15:38.57 | sether | 'sup jasoncohen |
| 15:39.04 | ruede | what has mp3 with ilegal copying to do ? |
| 15:39.06 | jasoncohen | hey sether |
| 15:39.13 | greycat | !yoda |
| 15:39.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, yoda is my translation sounding like, yes? hmmm! |
| 15:39.17 | yang | directhex|work: requires pass |
| 15:39.23 | hansz | !jedi |
| 15:39.26 | directhex|work | yang, no, requires money. |
| 15:39.29 | hansz | blah |
| 15:39.32 | asg | ruede: look at the '-F' option in mkfs.vfat(8) |
| 15:39.34 | hansz | !evil |
| 15:39.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, evil is closed, proprietary software |
| 15:39.37 | Anthro | sonderblade: For the rare packages that truly benefit from being compiled for a specific chip variant (kernel, multimedia stuff, etc.), the chip variant is generally part of the package name. |
| 15:39.39 | directhex|work | yang, this isn't a warez channel, don't expect a free ride |
| 15:39.46 | directhex|work | yang, also, see www.mp3tunes.com |
| 15:39.47 | hansz | !cps |
| 15:39.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cps is Characters Per Second, used to measure dot matrix printer speed or something |
| 15:39.49 | stew | jasoncohen: since its only a minor version change you might be able to just apply a 2.0.1 -> 2.0.2 patch to the debian sources |
| 15:39.57 | sonderblade | Anthro: so you can't compile your whole system with 686? |
| 15:39.59 | greycat | hansz: msg the bots, dammit. |
| 15:40.08 | greycat | sonderblade: go run fucking gentoo. |
| 15:40.10 | hansz | greycat: dude.. what's the prob... |
| 15:40.13 | greycat | hansz: you. |
| 15:40.29 | yang | directhex|work: mp3 must have the same status as divx |
| 15:40.29 | hansz | greycat: nah it's your problem |
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| 15:40.38 | hansz | there i go.. |
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| 15:40.54 | Anthro | sonderblade: There is very little reason to bother. If this is a feature you desperately desire, run gentoo. |
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| 15:41.00 | ik-sparc | hi |
| 15:41.01 | stew | problem solved! |
| 15:41.10 | sonderblade | redhat has i686 compiled binary packages, why not debian? |
| 15:41.18 | greycat | because we're smarter than they are. |
| 15:41.27 | ik-sparc | to uninstall a program? is apt-get uninstall? |
| 15:41.37 | directhex|work | apt-get remove, or apt-get purge |
| 15:41.38 | K_Dallas | what is the command to refresh gnome menu list? |
| 15:41.39 | yang | ik-sparc: apt-get remove |
| 15:41.43 | greycat | you and your gentoo krew(tm) can go fucking compile shit all week long if you like. the rest of us want to actually *accomplish* something. |
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| 15:41.50 | ik-sparc | oh ok thanks :) |
| 15:41.56 | stew | K_Dallas: update-menus |
| 15:42.04 | K_Dallas | so simple :) thanks |
| 15:42.12 | greycat | 11:42 Ignoring NOTICES from hansz |
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| 15:42.28 | greycat | 11:42 Ignoring MSGS NOTICES from hansz |
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| 15:43.01 | sonderblade | greycat: accomplish = acting like an asshole in your distros channel? |
| 15:43.02 | K_Dallas | well i am still unable to find bittorent in the menu! and do not know what the command to run either! |
| 15:43.12 | greycat | "menu"? |
| 15:43.19 | K_Dallas | gnome-menu |
| 15:43.26 | greycat | oh. gui crap. /me moves along. |
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| 15:43.27 | K_Dallas | applications, net, ... |
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| 15:43.44 | stew | K_Dallas: look for btdownloadcurses or btdownloadgui |
| 15:44.00 | K_Dallas | oh so that is how they call it ;) great. appreciate it |
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| 15:44.09 | greycat | K_Dallas: apt-get install bittornado; man btlaunchmanycurses; cd /somewhere; btlaunchmanycurses . --max_uploads foo --max_upload_rate foo --max_download_rate foo ... |
| 15:44.11 | Wowzer | hello all...i just downloaded f-prot, but instead of an apt-get command, I had to download the .deb file. How do I access this file to install it? |
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| 15:44.28 | nksen | what might be responsible for my pppoe process to use up to 90 per cent of cpu usage after a few days? |
| 15:44.29 | directhex|work | Wowzer, dpkg -i foo.deb - but you wanted to apt-get install f-prot-installer |
| 15:44.32 | greycat | Wowzer: dpkg -i |
| 15:44.33 | NOthsouth | Hans, how did I remove that command you said |
| 15:44.37 | K_Dallas | greycat, i have installed it but didnt know what to run |
| 15:44.44 | ik-sparc | to install kde is apt-get install kde? |
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| 15:44.52 | Wowzer | tx |
| 15:44.54 | greycat | K_Dallas: they made the commands have very strange names. |
| 15:44.57 | K_Dallas | ik-sparc, join debian-kde |
| 15:44.57 | virgomoon | Does anyone here use mutt? I'm trying to figure out how to follow hyperlinks in mutt instead of having to hand-type them. Any clues would be much appreciated. |
| 15:45.04 | K_Dallas | i would say so ;) |
| 15:45.05 | greycat | K_Dallas: you can do "dpkg -L bittornado | grep bin" to get a listing of them |
| 15:45.05 | ik-sparc | ok |
| 15:45.10 | Noid | K_Dallas: dpkg -L package to see what a package installs |
| 15:45.16 | j_k | virgomoon: apt-get urlview, then ^b in mutt. |
| 15:45.20 | Wowzer | not available is what I get for apt-get install f-prot-installer |
| 15:45.27 | virgomoon | j_k: thanks I'll check it out. |
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| 15:45.32 | j_k | Wowzer: add contrib to your sources |
| 15:45.37 | Wowzer | k |
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| 15:48.04 | ik-sparc | what window manager is better for debian? |
| 15:48.07 | Wowzer | other than base-config, is there any other way to add sources? Can I simply just edit a file? |
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| 15:48.20 | directhex|work | ik-sparc, the one you like. |
| 15:48.26 | asg | ik-sparc: whichever works well for your needs |
| 15:48.34 | ik-sparc | oh ok |
| 15:48.37 | greycat | Wowzer: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:48.38 | asg | Wowzer: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:48.58 | Rydekull_ | heh |
| 15:49.02 | Rydekull_ | erk |
| 15:49.43 | b0ef | Anthro: raw2tiff foo.raw bar.tif |
| 15:50.10 | Wowzer | added contrib, it says, Package f-prot-installer has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and |
| 15:50.12 | Wowzer | never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list |
| 15:50.26 | asg | Wowzer: using sarge? |
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| 15:50.41 | Wowzer | woody |
| 15:50.42 | deejoe | what's the latest word on archive.debian.org? |
| 15:51.05 | thumann | hey chaps |
| 15:51.19 | sph_ | i hate it.. whenever i'm watching the boot process to isolate the error it boots whitout error :( |
| 15:51.46 | jasoncohen | thanks guys. i did a dh_make and then copied over control and finally did a dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and i have a shiny new gaim-otr_2.0.2 deb package in my home dir :) |
| 15:51.46 | dpkg | my pleasure, jasoncohen |
| 15:51.53 | greycat | sph_: well, job security for you then. hope you like living in the server room. |
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| 15:52.04 | sph_ | ^^ |
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| 15:52.20 | sph_ | its a little biut fustrating |
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| 15:53.11 | asg | sph_: log it via serial console, it knows when you are looking; that might confuse it long enough. |
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| 15:53.33 | sph_ | :-D |
| 15:53.41 | ArtVandalae | Hello, I have a HTTP server set up on my Debian machine (apache). I would like to be able to make /var/www publically accessable on my network. How would I do this? |
| 15:53.57 | Jacobo221 | is there any way to add an alias module (something like alias char-major-13 my-alias) without rebooting? |
| 15:54.02 | greycat | NFS, usually, if you mean WRITABLE. |
| 15:54.12 | j_k | Wowzer: f-prot-installer is only available in sarge, maybe a good occasion to upgrade ? (see also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00010.html if you choose to.) |
| 15:54.14 | greycat | otherwise, if you don't like that, WebDAV comes to mind. |
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| 15:54.41 | thumann | :-/ i just built a lfs system.. and i'm trying to get the damn thing to boot.. i'm using two disks.. my base system which i created the lfs from is on sda and the lfs is on sdb... i've added the kernel/root/etc from sdb to grub on sda.. |
| 15:54.50 | hansz | greycat: Why has dpkg the function to talk in the whole channel? |
| 15:54.59 | virgomoon | j_k: got urlview down and it works perfectly. Thanks again. |
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| 15:55.04 | thumann | but when i select the desired boot option.. i get Error 15: file not found |
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| 15:55.17 | K_Dallas | this is what i need to convert java to deb: make-jpkg ? I have only got make-kpkg! |
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| 15:55.40 | greycat | we get a bot abuse troll about 3-4 times a year, don't we? or am I just stuck in a time warp? |
| 15:55.50 | greycat | K_Dallas: /msg dpkg java |
| 15:55.52 | j_k | virgomoon: the good thing if that you can pipe anything to the urlview command. |
| 15:55.55 | asg | greycat: no, you are right |
| 15:56.30 | Wowzer | readin on sarge |
| 15:56.32 | asg | greycat: they always seem to come from .nl though |
| 15:56.35 | jasoncohen | does apt-get check the gpg signature of a package before installign? |
| 15:56.37 | jasoncohen | *installing |
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| 15:57.03 | K_Dallas | greycat, that is where i got make-jpkg from but i do not have it and i have got just jre*bin from Sun which make-kpgk does not seem to like! |
| 15:57.25 | greycat | K_Dallas: /msg dpkg install java |
| 15:57.43 | greycat | K_Dallas: which leads to /msg dpkg java-package |
| 15:57.44 | K_Dallas | that i have done too butit seems i have to get it from contrib, right? |
| 15:57.56 | K_Dallas | that is wherei started ;) |
| 15:58.10 | greycat | K_Dallas: so what is the question? |
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| 15:58.30 | K_Dallas | i do not have make-jpkg! |
| 15:58.35 | greycat | why not? |
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| 15:58.49 | K_Dallas | i have no clue! |
| 15:58.54 | K_Dallas | i just installed kernel-package |
| 15:59.09 | greycat | Someone else will have to deal with you. I can't take this. |
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| 15:59.11 | lynxx | hi all, I recently installed debian sarge and my swap seems not to be activated.. but in fstab, all is ok :) |
| 15:59.23 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 15:59.37 | Anders1 | K_Dallas: java-package, not kernel-package. |
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| 16:00.01 | K_Dallas | i just found that out :) thanks |
| 16:00.03 | Anders1 | K_Dallas: *please* try to read what the bot says |
| 16:00.47 | K_Dallas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:01.24 | ArtVandalae | If I rm a link/softline, will that delete the main file too, or just the link? |
| 16:01.30 | ArtVandalae | *softlink |
| 16:01.48 | mngrif | can someone recomend a good audio cd burning application that integrates nicely with GNOME? not gnome-baker, it's extremely buggy on my hardware |
| 16:02.01 | ArtVandalae | Graveman |
| 16:02.05 | Wowzer | trying to install aptitude, but apt-get had errors from my trying to install fp-linux-ws. It wont install the dependencies for aptitude now... |
| 16:02.09 | ArtVandalae | I think that's what it's called... |
| 16:02.15 | Wowzer | shoudl I apt-get -f install? |
| 16:02.28 | qwer | yes |
| 16:02.36 | lynxx | any idea for my swap problem ? |
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| 16:03.45 | Wowzer | even with apt-get -f install aptitude I get this error: aptitude: Depends: libsigc++0 but it is not going to be installed |
| 16:04.03 | mngrif | ArtVandalae: thank you |
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| 16:04.18 | qwer | apt-get install libsigc |
| 16:04.21 | elephantman | Why my imagemagick create dirty text on images ? |
| 16:04.22 | SiliconViper | Wowzer, apt-get install aptitude libsigc++0 |
| 16:04.31 | elephantman | The same command on local is very clean |
| 16:04.46 | Wowzer | apt-get -f install seems to be doing it. |
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| 16:05.06 | rE|away | thats halarious. |
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| 16:06.54 | AigleDor | Wich WM/DM do you advise me to install on a Pentium133 with 80MB of RAM? |
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| 16:07.34 | streuner | AigleDor: openbox, wmaker, blackbox, fluxbox or such |
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| 16:07.54 | K_Dallas | AigleDor, or een ion |
| 16:07.57 | K_Dallas | even* |
| 16:08.02 | streuner | AigleDor: /msg dpkg window manager |
| 16:08.11 | sph_ | bye folks .. |
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| 16:08.58 | Wowzer | can I use aptitude to update via ssh/telnet? I have access to the local machine, but I'm working currently off a remote station. |
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| 16:09.10 | lindi- | Wowzer: sure |
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| 16:09.27 | AigleDor | xfce won't run correctly on it? |
| 16:09.29 | K_Dallas | as long as you can log as the root! |
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| 16:09.43 | lindi- | Wowzer: i do almost everything over ssh, the local computer is just dumb terminal |
| 16:10.09 | Wowzer | I'm root...just installed debian on that machine.. |
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| 16:10.28 | TML | I just updated a couple of stable boxes to testing, and suddenly my consoles are "broken". When I hit ctrl-pgup to read scrollback, it will suddenly pop back down to where the cursor is for no obvious reason. Anyone have a guess as to which terminal setting I need to adjust to set the behaviour back to the old way? |
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| 16:10.30 | jerome | AigleDor: things will be slow anyway. |
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| 16:11.23 | K_Dallas | AigleDor, ION is pretty simple and lean, much leaner than you can imagine |
| 16:12.10 | takatumi | how viable is backing up to a mini-DV tape via firewire? |
| 16:12.19 | jerome | AigleDor: what do you want to do with this box ? I hope you don't expect running firefox, OO.o, Emacs, etc ? |
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| 16:12.32 | K_Dallas | ( i am wondering why there is no deb for java in non-free part of repositories? ) |
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| 16:12.57 | jerome | K_Dallas: because there is java-package |
| 16:13.01 | takatumi | !install java |
| 16:13.01 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto> |
| 16:13.12 | jerome | and java is not freely redistrutable |
| 16:13.17 | ElSebas | which package includes yppasswd? |
| 16:13.22 | K_Dallas | i got it converted to deb and installed it but why not a deb? |
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| 16:13.32 | K_Dallas | jerome, i see |
| 16:13.48 | Wowzer | there appears to be 2 kernel images...2.4.18 and 2.4.18-1. Which one is preferrable? |
| 16:14.03 | takatumi | Wowzer: server? |
| 16:14.18 | Wowzer | apt-cache search ^kernel-image shows 2 kernels... |
| 16:14.49 | jerome | ho, and someone using valgrind knows why helgrind is not packaged in valgrind ? |
| 16:14.57 | lindi- | Wowzer: kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 has security fixes |
| 16:15.08 | jerome | because of ntpl being disaled ? |
| 16:15.14 | jerome | disabled* |
| 16:15.34 | irreverentrevere | anyone else having trouble visiting ebay.com? |
| 16:15.35 | Wowzer | ah...2.4.18-1-k6 it shall be! K6-2 here... |
| 16:15.59 | ElSebas | sorry... which package includes yppasswd? |
| 16:16.06 | takatumi | Wowzer: how old is the hardware? |
| 16:16.07 | jethro | !tell ElSebas -about search |
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| 16:16.43 | Wowzer | not really sure..got it for free. It's an older compaq k6-2 @ 385mhz (or something to that effect). |
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| 16:17.02 | Wowzer | this machine was one of them Free PC's" |
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| 16:24.57 | doublehp | !echo |
| 16:24.57 | dpkg | ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o....... |
| 16:24.59 | Wowzer | it's asking if I want Do you want me to create a link from /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-1-k6 to initrd.img? What would this do??? |
| 16:25.05 | ElSebas | when i change a YP password, and do make in the yp directory, I must restart the YP service? |
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| 16:25.21 | Wowzer | hate netsplits... |
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| 16:25.35 | snail_ | Wowzer: i believe it makes it the default |
| 16:25.43 | Wowzer | ok... |
| 16:25.57 | j_k | ElSebas: you shouldn't need to. |
| 16:26.00 | otminou | i have problems with xdtv i can't move to fullsceen mode, any helps is welcome |
| 16:26.01 | gan|y|med | hi. has anybody ever tried compiling intel's asl compiler under debian sarge? |
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| 16:26.02 | snail_ | ElSebas: i don't believe you do, but it should be relatively easy to suck it and see... |
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| 16:27.16 | snail_ | otminou: have you checked that every possible mode supported by your monitor is included in your x config? |
| 16:27.16 | Wowzer | it's installed okay...just shutdown -r now? |
| 16:27.43 | snail_ | Wowzer: do you have a live CD or other failsafe handy? |
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| 16:28.00 | Wowzer | no live CD...just the older woody install CD. |
| 16:28.33 | entheon|win | hi, what tool can i use to isolate and "remove from use" bad blocks on my harddrive? e2fsck doesn't seem to work for this purpose... |
| 16:28.43 | snail_ | Wowzer: explain what you're doing? |
| 16:28.54 | j_k | entheon|win: e2fsck -c, see man e2fsck. |
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| 16:29.21 | Wowzer | just updated to sarge and updated the kernel |
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| 16:29.22 | otminou | snail_: i have another tv application (tvtime) that works fine |
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| 16:29.57 | Kerr | How can i mount /dev/hdb1p2 ? I get told speical device does not exist |
| 16:30.09 | takatumi | Wowzer: which kernel? |
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| 16:30.10 | PerfDave | Kerr: What do you think /dev/hdb1p2 is? |
| 16:30.21 | Wowzer | kernel-image-2.4.18-1-k6 |
| 16:30.23 | snail_ | otminou: exactly what problems are you having with xdtv, and if tvtime works perfectly, why do you need it? |
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| 16:30.43 | gan|y|med | can anybody pls |
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| 16:31.03 | Kerr | PerfDave: a partition? vfat? |
| 16:31.12 | gan|y|med | can anybody plz help me. i am trying to install fglrx driver in debian sarge, but i cannot compile them |
| 16:31.29 | jethro | Kerr: /dev/hdb is the drive, /dev/hdb1 the first partition, and so on |
| 16:31.36 | jethro | Kerr: there is no such thing as /dev/hdb1p2 |
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| 16:32.14 | snail_ | gan|y|med: have you read the manual? how far though it did you run into trouble? |
| 16:32.19 | gan|y|med | output is: /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/2.6.x/firegl_public.c:2875: error: error while parsing before '*' token |
| 16:32.22 | jethro | gan|y|med: /msg dpkg ati |
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| 16:32.33 | gan|y|med | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.56 | PerfDave | Kerr: Why do you think /dev/hdb1p2 is a partition? Partitions are normally /dev/hdX# or /dev/sdX# |
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| 16:33.29 | Kerr | PerfDave: #flood ? |
| 16:33.32 | otminou | snail_: tvtime doesn't have somme functions like recording tv for example, so i need xdtv for that |
| 16:33.33 | gan|y|med | jethro: sry, i am new here. whar do u mean? |
| 16:33.49 | jethro | gan|y|med: /msg dpkg, it's a bot, ask him about ati |
| 16:33.56 | snail_ | otminou: exactly what problems are you having with xdtv? |
| 16:34.07 | jethro | gan|y|med: just type /msg dpkg ati in your irc client and see what dpkg replies in private messages |
| 16:34.16 | Wowzer | hmmm....webserver, telnet server is down. |
| 16:34.24 | entheon|win | j_k thanks man :) |
| 16:34.26 | Wowzer | sshd is down. |
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| 16:34.47 | PerfDave | Kerr: Hmm, got to fly, maybe someone else can help you. |
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| 16:35.04 | snail_ | Wowzer: check /var/log |
| 16:35.05 | Wowzer | hmmm...redirecting to my backup server... |
| 16:35.12 | kbs | What is the difference between the VSZ and SIZE fields in the GNU ps output? (ie, ps -o vsz,size) |
| 16:35.13 | Wowzer | ok...gotta go to remote machine. |
| 16:35.18 | j_k | Kerr: what would you like to paste in #flood? What does produce your error? |
| 16:35.47 | jethro | j_k: he wants to mount /dev/hdb1p2 |
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| 16:35.51 | doub | kbs: i guess vsz is Virtual Size, while size is physical |
| 16:35.54 | Kerr | jthe output of sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb* |
| 16:35.55 | doub | kbs: man ps might know |
| 16:35.58 | npx | Hi, uh, anyone know of a domain registrar that doesn't suck ass? |
| 16:36.08 | jethro | Kerr: what the hell would you run such a command |
| 16:36.12 | kbs | doub: man ps says "SIZE is the virtual size of the proc (code+data+stack)" |
| 16:36.21 | jethro | Kerr: just fdisk -l /dev/hdb |
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| 16:36.45 | jethro | Kerr: as I told you, the drive is hd{a,b,c,d} on an IDE bus |
| 16:36.52 | doub | kbs: is there any difference in the figures? maybe shared libs or something |
| 16:36.55 | j_k | Kerr: ok, just do it. |
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| 16:37.14 | otminou | snail_: i can't switch to fullscreen mode |
| 16:37.46 | doub | kbs: look at what /proc/<pid>/stat says, as described in man proc maybe will it be more explicit |
| 16:37.47 | furrywolf | jethro: what about my e,f,g,h on my raid card, or i,j,k,l on my other card? :P |
| 16:38.01 | plazia | I foolishly deleted the contents of /var/cache/apt believing it only to hold the downloaded debs that I no longer required. but now when I do apt-get upgrade or update I get errors saying the archive directory is missing. Is there a way to resolve this or am I looking at a reinstall for my ignorance? :) |
| 16:38.02 | kbs | doub: ah, ok -- let me look a that |
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| 16:38.04 | jethro | furrywolf: don't make it more complex than it is already |
| 16:38.36 | gan|y|med | thx |
| 16:38.36 | idnar | plazia: recreate /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 16:38.44 | Wowzer | ok..network ip was reset. IS there a new/better way to reset ip address? |
| 16:38.48 | plazia | idnar: actually type that verbatim? |
| 16:39.06 | idnar | plazia: well, you would do "mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives; chmod 755 /var/cache/apt/archives" |
| 16:39.30 | jethro | Wowzer: what do you call reset an IP? set a new IP address? |
| 16:39.34 | plazia | the folder /var/cache/apt/archives is still there |
| 16:39.42 | plazia | it has a single file in it called "lock" |
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| 16:39.48 | Wowzer | the ip went from my LAN to 127.0.0.1... |
| 16:39.51 | kbs | doub: thanks for the pointer -- hopefully that will be the canonical answer I really need. |
| 16:39.52 | idnar | plazia: hmm |
| 16:39.58 | Wowzer | lost my network address... |
| 16:40.00 | jethro | Wowzer: you're not making sense |
| 16:40.01 | plazia | but I erased the contents of the folder and not the folder itself. |
| 16:40.01 | plazia | I went into it and did an rm -rf * |
| 16:40.05 | j_k | Kerr: just 'mount /dev/hdb2 /somewhere', if you're trying to mount the second partition. |
| 16:40.28 | j_k | Kerr: and correct /etc/fstab if you stuck your /dev/hdb1p2 there. |
| 16:40.37 | jethro | !tell Wowzer -about smart questions |
| 16:40.37 | plazia | I thought I was just getting rid of the donwnloaded .deb files that I no longer required... obviously that was not the case ;) |
| 16:40.40 | idnar | plazia: did you remove pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin too? |
| 16:40.46 | plazia | idnar: think so mate. |
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| 16:40.49 | Wowzer | the ip adderss changed from my LAN 192.168.x.x to 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:40.59 | plazia | everything is gone from that folder now except for the aforementioned "lock" file |
| 16:41.01 | stew | plazia: in the future, just run apt-get clean |
| 16:41.04 | j_k | Kerr: oh, /dev/hdb is an extended partition, sorry. |
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| 16:41.09 | plazia | stew: thanks :) |
| 16:41.14 | jethro | Wowzer: you sure you looked at the right interface? |
| 16:41.16 | j_k | Kerr: oh, /dev/hdb*2* is an extended partition, sorry. |
| 16:41.17 | idnar | plazia: I think you need to recreate /var/cache/apt/archives/partial then |
| 16:41.24 | plazia | touch? |
| 16:41.29 | j_k | Kerr: are you sure you don't want to mount /dev/hdb1 ? |
| 16:41.33 | plazia | or is there a utility for that? |
| 16:41.33 | idnar | plazia: nah, it's also a directory |
| 16:41.41 | plazia | ah right |
| 16:41.45 | idnar | plazia: use mkdir/chmod like I suggested just now for /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 16:42.07 | ceci | servr irc.cl |
| 16:42.10 | j_k | Kerr: there seem to be no logical partitions in your extended one (ie, only one partition on your disk.) |
| 16:42.13 | ceci | server irc.cl |
| 16:42.33 | Kerr | I have hdb1 mounted... these are drives from a dusty old system i've not used since last summer; i've no idea what the partitions were. |
| 16:42.39 | Kerr | hmm.. empty space? |
| 16:42.41 | plazia | so you want me to do mkdir partial in that folder and then chmod 755 it? |
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| 16:42.43 | j_k | Kerr: yes. |
| 16:42.46 | idnar | plazia: yeah |
| 16:42.46 | daveon | hi |
| 16:42.49 | plazia | thanks idnar |
| 16:42.52 | plazia | I will try. |
| 16:42.58 | jethro | Kerr: fdisk -l /dev/hdb, ffs |
| 16:43.03 | Kerr | i must have left it for a debian install that never happened ~.~ |
| 16:43.20 | plazia | idnar: and once that is done, try the apt-get update again? |
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| 16:43.37 | idnar | plazia: right |
| 16:43.40 | setuid | How do I remove a hold on a package? |
| 16:43.42 | tunic | is apmd in charge of put PC into suspend mode? |
| 16:43.47 | plazia | cool cheers. |
| 16:44.00 | PerfDave | setuid: /msg dpkg hold |
| 16:44.06 | plazia | seems more promising... there is network activity this time |
| 16:44.08 | Kerr | jethro: i thought there was another partition on the drive, there isn't. hdb1 is already mounted, the rest is empty space. I was mistaken, i've mounted the wrong drive. |
| 16:44.17 | Kerr | 's why i was looking for nonexistant partitions. |
| 16:44.18 | plazia | didn't get that far before. Hope it works...once again. Thankyou idnar |
| 16:44.43 | jethro | Kerr: just to make sure you got the point, there *is* *no* *such* *thing* as /dev/hdb1p2 |
| 16:44.45 | tunic | my PC can't return from supended state, so I stopped apmd to avoid going to suspended mode, but my PC is still getting to ssupended mode |
| 16:44.56 | stew | tunic: acpi maybe? |
| 16:45.12 | plazia | That's what I love about IRC.. sometimes people will just help you out of the heart of their bottom. I mean they don't owe you fsck all but this is altruism at it's finest :) |
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| 16:45.35 | Wowzer | jethro, IFCONFIG shows only 1 device and it's ip address is 127.0.0.1 with a mask of 255.0.0.0 |
| 16:45.41 | setuid | plazia: just remember, Free Software isn't free. ;) |
| 16:45.45 | plazia | Freedom isn't free. |
| 16:45.46 | plazia | :) |
| 16:45.47 | Kerr | jethro: yeah, i realise now :-/ |
| 16:45.56 | setuid | plazia: http://users.puzzling.org/users/mary/HOWTO/Free/ |
| 16:45.59 | setuid | Read. |
| 16:46.21 | tunic | I thougt apmd was newer, but I see acpi replaces apmd, isn't it? |
| 16:46.27 | jethro | Wowzer: that's lo, the loopback interface |
| 16:46.29 | plazia | setuid: I read RMS stuff. I know about freedom and stuff :) well just a little |
| 16:46.33 | Kerr | is it safe to hotplug the ide drive out and put another in; solong as it's unmounted; or should i reboot? |
| 16:46.33 | setuid | tunic: incorrect |
| 16:46.34 | Wowzer | i was just curious if the newer OS has an required way to set the ip addresses other than ifconfig... |
| 16:46.41 | setuid | plazia: this has nothing to do with RMS |
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| 16:46.54 | plazia | kewl. I will load firefox. |
| 16:46.59 | clojster | is anyone here using daemontools? |
| 16:47.01 | tunic | so I must stop acpi service? |
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| 16:47.04 | jethro | Wowzer: do you have an ethernet card? some wifi card? what are you expecting to see when typing ifconfig? |
| 16:47.13 | tunic | but acpi is not a service! |
| 16:47.26 | setuid | acpid is |
| 16:47.32 | jethro | Wowzer: network configuration is detailed in man 5 interfaces |
| 16:47.33 | Wowzer | did my eth0 driver not get installed? It's an ethernet card..realtek 8139? (dont' recall |
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| 16:47.51 | jethro | Wowzer: type ifconfig eth0 and see what it says |
| 16:47.55 | cow | Kerr, if it's unmounted (and is a hotplug capable drive) it's ok |
| 16:48.18 | stew | Kerr: it is not safe to hotplug ide unless you have a very fancy ide controller (hint: you dont) |
| 16:48.25 | Kerr | cow: it's some seagate 20gb |
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| 16:48.29 | PerfDave | Kerr: If you don't know whether it's safe to hotplug IDE, it isn't. |
| 16:48.32 | Kerr | *nod* |
| 16:48.34 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | hi, i want those nice graphs (mrtg), i was trying to get snmpd work, but noticed ipac-ng, can i use mrtg on ipac-ng and is ipac-ng also good ? :) |
| 16:48.37 | Kerr | i'll reboot then |
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| 16:49.08 | cow | Kerr, erm. s/drive/controller |
| 16:49.09 | Wowzer | device not found |
| 16:49.22 | jethro | Wowzer: then you need to load the appropriate driver |
| 16:49.27 | Mahdi | could anybody plz help me compiling lirc (pkg: lirc-modules-source)? When i run make-kpkg --revision <smth> modules-image it says there's nothing to b done on the modules/lirc dirs and exits with error code 2 :( |
| 16:49.37 | Wowzer | dang...the driver was installed with woody... |
| 16:49.44 | tunic | ok, I'll try that way |
| 16:49.59 | jethro | Wowzer: automagically? |
| 16:50.20 | Wowzer | yes |
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| 16:50.29 | jasoncohen | nmap shows that i have an irc, finger, socks, and nntp server but i checked my installed packages and none of these are installed |
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| 16:50.56 | jethro | jasoncohen: netstat -anp --inet as root will report wich process is bound to which socket |
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| 16:51.26 | furrywolf | jethro: unless, of course, the box is rooted, in which case netstat virtually always forgets to mention anything new. :) |
| 16:51.27 | jasoncohen | jethro, thanks- this is great |
| 16:51.28 | stew | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 16:51.35 | freakazoid | hi folks |
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| 16:52.50 | daveon | anybody can tell me how to execute a win app that requires its own command line parameters from wine? |
| 16:53.00 | freakazoid | im searchin for a backport of the flashplugin-nonfree for sarge |
| 16:53.10 | jasoncohen | what's portsentry? |
| 16:53.24 | freakazoid | does anyone know where to get that? |
| 16:53.24 | jasoncohen | nevermind |
| 16:53.28 | furrywolf | portsentry logs people trying to access things you don't actually run |
| 16:53.33 | stew | !info flashplugin-nonfree sarge |
| 16:53.35 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 16:53.50 | jasoncohen | furrywolf, so, all these processes run by portsentry are fak |
| 16:53.50 | stew | freakazoid: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 16:53.51 | jasoncohen | *fake |
| 16:53.55 | jethro | yet another log you'll never read |
| 16:54.01 | PerfDave | Mahdi: Can you not install lirc stuff with module-assistant? |
| 16:54.12 | stew | freakazoid: why do you say backport? |
| 16:54.35 | freakazoid | or port im always getting in troubles wit that sory |
| 16:54.39 | freakazoid | @stew |
| 16:55.00 | stew | freakazoid: yeah just add contrib to your sources.list |
| 16:55.20 | stew | jasoncohen: yes they are fake, just there to catch people who are scanning your machine and firewall them |
| 16:55.27 | freakazoid | mom ill try |
| 16:55.58 | stew | yer mom |
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| 16:56.40 | Mahdi | PerfDave, how's that done? That questino in which it asks if I want it to build the module for me? |
| 16:56.41 | jasoncohen | cool, i turned off portsentry and now it's only showing ssh, samba and webmin |
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| 16:56.59 | jasoncohen | stew, how do i make sure portsentry mail is sent to me? |
| 16:57.05 | furrywolf | webmin? you're worried about open ports, and you use webmin? :P |
| 16:57.21 | PerfDave | Mahdi: Read the module-assistant documentation, I don't have a box with m-a installed handy. |
| 16:57.38 | clojster | excuse me... where can I find which font I'm using in console? I'd like to use the same font in aterm if it's possible |
| 16:57.40 | stew | jasoncohen: i don't remeber its been a while since i used portsentry, read in /usr/share/doc/portsentry |
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| 16:57.51 | ArtVandalae | What command do I use to check my HDD usage? |
| 16:57.55 | furrywolf | art: df |
| 16:57.56 | ArtVandalae | Nvm, reminded |
| 16:57.59 | PerfDave | Mahdi: it should be something as simple as "module-assistant auto-install lirc-modules" though |
| 16:57.59 | ArtVandalae | Thanks |
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| 16:58.17 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | ArtVandalae which is it ? |
| 16:58.24 | jethro | jasoncohen: don't run portsentry in the first place, unless you don't get enough spam a day, and want to waste hdd space |
| 16:59.06 | Mahdi | PerfDave, hmmm... i'll try it, but since the command that the package itself sugests doesnt work i dont think module-assistant will either =/ but thkz! =D |
| 16:59.12 | jasoncohen | jethro, heh, ok |
| 16:59.23 | jasoncohen | jethro, doesnt it make your system more secure? |
| 16:59.27 | jasoncohen | by hiding your real ports |
| 16:59.37 | stew | jasoncohen: doesn't hide anything |
| 16:59.49 | jethro | jasoncohen: it just prentends you run more services than you actually do |
| 17:00.06 | jethro | jasoncohen: and logs connection attempts to these fake services |
| 17:00.06 | Spec | because microsoft has shown us that security via obscurity is definitely the best way to go... |
| 17:00.16 | jethro | jasoncohen: where the hell do you see any added value in terms of security? |
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| 17:00.37 | jethro | jasoncohen: it's even argueably usefull for honeypot systems |
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| 17:00.38 | jasoncohen | jethro, so, i should just turn it off? why is it enabled by default? |
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| 17:00.56 | jethro | jasoncohen: it isn't enabled by default, and yes, you can safely remove it |
| 17:01.05 | furrywolf | I don't recall it even being installed by default... |
| 17:01.06 | trym | Im trying to compile loop-AES - but Im getting ...patched-loop.c:919: error: structure has no member named `rlim' any ideas? |
| 17:01.08 | jasoncohen | well, it informs you if you're getting scans which i would imagine is a good thing |
| 17:01.08 | Wowzer | where did the device drivers for woody get placed? Can I access them now that I've updated to sarge? |
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| 17:01.41 | jethro | jasoncohen: as I told you, unless you want to get more spam, or waste hdd, or feel super cool spotting your friends as they scan you, you don't want to run it |
| 17:01.46 | daveon | byes |
| 17:01.50 | jasoncohen | ok, i turned it off |
| 17:01.51 | jasoncohen | thanks |
| 17:01.57 | stew | jasoncohen: you are getting scans |
| 17:02.00 | jethro | jasoncohen: but it's just my opinion after all |
| 17:02.06 | jethro | stew: everyone does |
| 17:02.11 | stew | jasoncohen: there i told you, now what? |
| 17:02.22 | stew | jethro: believe me, i know |
| 17:02.23 | PerfDave | snort is a useful tool |
| 17:02.35 | Spec | so is cowsay |
| 17:02.44 | jethro | stew: you can't stay more than 5 minutes safe with a default win32 install on the internet these days, and less then a few days using a linux distro |
| 17:02.49 | Jacobo221 | any gtk hex editor available? |
| 17:02.56 | jasoncohen | well, i'm not too worried as my only open ports are 22 and 1194 (openvpn) and both require 2048 bit public key authentication and the keys are encrypted on my usb key and HD |
| 17:03.13 | PerfDave | cowsay isn't great at detecting portscans, AFAIK. |
| 17:03.25 | jethro | cowsay fits other needs quite well though |
| 17:03.33 | Spec | no, not necessarily good at detecting portscans, but it's a useful tool |
| 17:03.34 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: Of course, there have never been any vulnerabilities in services which bypass the authentication ;) |
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| 17:03.55 | Spec | PerfDave: really? that's awesome! :) |
| 17:04.12 | freakazoid | @stew its workin thanks |
| 17:04.14 | furrywolf | one of these days I'll have to figure out what's up with debian and cows. :P |
| 17:04.30 | jethro | furrywolf: debian devels do cows |
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| 17:04.40 | jasoncohen | PerfDave, as far as i know there are no known vulnerabilities in the version of openssh (3.8p1) and openvpn (2.0 stable) that i use |
| 17:04.56 | Spec | apt-get help |tail -1 |
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| 17:04.57 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: *grins* As far as you know ;) |
| 17:05.00 | jethro | jasoncohen: I think PerfDave wass just pulling your leg :) |
| 17:05.06 | jasoncohen | and i chroot openvpn and use the hmac firewall for more security |
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| 17:05.53 | takatumi | jethro: http://gpoppy.org/2005-04-01-011442_1024x768_scrot.png :P |
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| 17:06.00 | Moveric | êòî-òî çäåñü ðóññêèé ïîíèìàåò ? |
| 17:06.09 | juanvitor | hello |
| 17:06.16 | Moveric | hi |
| 17:06.25 | trym | could anyone have a look at this: http://pastebot.nd.edu/953 ? |
| 17:06.26 | Spec | has there ever been an operating system that has actually failed due to vulnerabilities/virii? |
| 17:06.29 | juanvitor | somebody know a good way to make .deb packege w/ dialog |
| 17:06.37 | PerfDave | Spec: Define "failed" |
| 17:06.38 | jethro | takatumi: hah |
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| 17:06.55 | Spec | no market share |
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| 17:07.04 | Spec | i mean, windows has failed miserably, but it still has market share |
| 17:07.07 | jethro | takatumi: http://jethro.docisland.org/pisson.cow |
| 17:07.26 | BFA|WoRsTeNBoY | anyone experience with ipac-ng? |
| 17:07.28 | freakazoid | just a different question how do i get a local cups printer working on a remote mashine? all those faqs are tellin sme kind of foo |
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| 17:08.11 | takatumi | jethro: there are more jewels hidden I guess. |
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| 17:08.25 | jethro | takatumi: where? |
| 17:08.41 | debwriter | I installed debian with x-windows on my Compaq armada 1500c but the mouse is not working what shoud I do? |
| 17:09.01 | takatumi | jethro: deep within cowsay. |
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| 17:09.14 | jethro | takatumi: ah maybe |
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| 17:11.04 | Skyblaze | anyone have a strange problem with firefox not used in a gnome environment? |
| 17:11.25 | PerfDave | My firefox works nicely not in a Gnome enviroment. |
| 17:11.50 | jethro | same |
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| 17:12.09 | Phated | As above. |
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| 17:12.55 | Spec | apt-get moo :) |
| 17:12.59 | bucky | Skyblaze, do you have mozilla-firefox-gnome-support |
| 17:14.10 | Skyblaze | bucky, yes but i always had this strange problem |
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| 17:14.30 | Skyblaze | in practice in xfce or kde firefox look bad for words ecc |
| 17:14.43 | Skyblaze | it seems like if words ecc move on the screen a little |
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| 17:14.47 | jasoncohen | how do i update nessus plugins with the version installed by the debian package? |
| 17:14.56 | Skyblaze | only if i run gnome-settings-manager all is ok |
| 17:14.59 | jasoncohen | the webiste says i should be able to do nessus-update-plugins |
| 17:15.21 | jethro | jasoncohen: why do you run nessus? |
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| 17:16.39 | jasoncohen | jethro, `to scan my network |
| 17:16.58 | Skyblaze | no one never had my strange problem with firefix? |
| 17:17.01 | jasoncohen | brandeis used it to scan our computers and i liked it so i figured i would use it myself |
| 17:17.11 | jethro | jasoncohen: ok |
| 17:17.49 | jasoncohen | hmm, i wonder why 2.2.4 hasn't moved to testing yet. It was released on April 25th. Isn't that before the freeze began? |
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| 17:22.20 | jasoncohen | nessus-update-plugins was added in 2.2.4. That's a good reason to update ;) |
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| 17:24.34 | stew | jasoncohen: looks like it just missed the freeze |
| 17:24.45 | stew | jasoncohen: it was only in sid for a few days before the freeze |
| 17:25.12 | johnsbil | I do need some help with my printer HP deskjet 720c. I'm using the stabel Skolelinux vertion. Having problems with CIUPS. |
| 17:25.47 | PerfDave | johnsbil: #skolelinux |
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| 17:26.16 | alfonso08 | does anybody knows how to create a initrd? -> debian 3.0(sarge) [mkinitrd -k /boot/initrd.tocreate /boot/kernel does NOT work] |
| 17:26.28 | PerfDave | alfonso08: Uhm, Debian 3.0 is not Sarge. |
| 17:26.32 | PerfDave | alfonso08: Debian 3.0 is Woody. |
| 17:26.37 | alfonso08 | sorry that |
| 17:26.48 | johnsbil | PerfDave: I dont know what kind of Debian they are using. www.skolelinux.no |
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| 17:27.41 | alfonso08 | does anybody knows how to create a initrd? -> debian 3.0(woody) [mkinitrd -k /boot/initrd.tocreate /boot/kernel does NOT work] |
| 17:27.45 | alfonso08 | ;) |
| 17:28.01 | PerfDave | johnsbil: Skolelinux is not Debian. It's Debian-based, but it's not Debian. #skolelinux will know what software is in the Skolelinux distribution. |
| 17:28.05 | stew | alfonso08: man mkinitrd |
| 17:28.17 | stew | alfonso08: you want at least a -o in there |
| 17:28.55 | alfonso08 | also does NOT work wit -o |
| 17:28.58 | alfonso08 | +h |
| 17:29.43 | stew | alfonso08: what is /boot/kernel? |
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| 17:29.56 | johnsbil | PerfDave: My problem is that I'm trying to cofigure my system to use the printer. I know it is working, and I know that Linuxprinting is recomending this printer. |
| 17:30.40 | PerfDave | johnsbil: That's nice. Have you tried asking #skolelinux, the IRC channel for the distro you're running? |
| 17:30.47 | alfonso08 | @stew.. /boot/kernel = kernel from where initrd has to be build |
| 17:31.19 | stew | alfonso08: why are you passing that to mkinitrd? |
| 17:31.23 | stew | alfonso08: read the manpage |
| 17:31.32 | alfonso08 | thx a lot @stew |
| 17:31.34 | alfonso08 | :( |
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| 17:32.37 | johnsbil | PerfDave: I have been asking them several times. But noboby can help me. |
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| 17:32.58 | PerfDave | johnsbil: You could try installing Debian ;) |
| 17:33.03 | alfonso08 | it seems to be normal here @johnsbil |
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| 17:33.14 | gtigene | How do I tell my Linux box where the DNS servers are? I tried "apropos dns" and "man ifconfig" and didn't find anything. |
| 17:33.19 | saudi-linux | is there any way to pring and modify the RED-HAT installer(anaconda) to work with debian????? |
| 17:33.30 | stew | gtigene: man resolv.conf |
| 17:33.32 | PerfDave | saudi-linux: Probably, but why would you want to? |
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| 17:33.40 | gtigene | stew: thanks. |
| 17:33.46 | PerfDave | saudi-linux: I believe Progeny have a Debian-derived distribution with an Anaconda-based installer. |
| 17:33.48 | green_earz | johnsbil: have a look at http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-printer it may be of some help |
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| 17:34.09 | oZt | is buying a 17" TFT with only D-sub wise? |
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| 17:34.28 | beardy | !polls |
| 17:34.28 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 17:34.33 | alfonso08 | @ dr. stew... did u ever did your linux-jobs with man only?? |
| 17:34.38 | PerfDave | oZt: I doubt D-sub is going to go away any time soon. |
| 17:34.50 | saudi-linux | PerfDave i am trying to make a customized destribution built on debian sarg |
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| 17:34.55 | PerfDave | saudi-linux: Why? |
| 17:35.09 | stew | alfonso08: huh? |
| 17:35.16 | alfonso08 | ? |
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| 17:36.30 | saudi-linux | PerfDave the 14 cd'S for debian has very cost if try to download it |
| 17:36.33 | johnsbil | PerfDave: I have Debian with Kde and skolelinux... I dont know if this is the right way to say it... |
| 17:37.00 | beardy | !d-i saudi-linux |
| 17:37.02 | dpkg | saudi-linux, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:37.08 | stew | saudi-linux: you only need a 110mb netinst to start and then the installer will only download what you ask it to |
| 17:37.10 | PerfDave | saudi-linux: You don't need all 14 CDs. Read the installation manual. |
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| 17:38.39 | saudi-linux | PerfDave but also i dont need Gnome or any interface except KDE |
| 17:38.49 | PerfDave | saudi-linux: So don't download it. |
| 17:38.56 | jasoncohen | awesome, nessus has plugins to check for all of the debian security updates. every advisory has its own plugin |
| 17:39.09 | jasoncohen | and nessus-update-plugins downloads and installs the new plugins |
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| 17:39.42 | zetor | hi all! |
| 17:39.50 | PerfDave | saudi-linux: Really, read the Sarge installation manual. If you want to make your own Sarge CD sets with just the packages you want, read the jigdo documentation. |
| 17:40.00 | Wowzer | is there a way to get a device driver off the sarge netinstall cd? I just burned a copy of it and the installer seemed to recognize my realtek8139 card. |
| 17:40.00 | priest | is there a undelete tool to ext3? i have only found to ext2 |
| 17:40.01 | saudi-linux | PerfDave it must be installed (gnome ....etc ) if u trying to install |
| 17:40.07 | stew | priest: there isn't one |
| 17:40.10 | PerfDave | saudi-linux: Wrong. |
| 17:40.18 | stew | saudi-linux: nope |
| 17:40.23 | priest | stew: why not? |
| 17:40.43 | PerfDave | saudi-linux: You don't need to make your own Debian-based distribution for what you're trying to do. It's a waste of time and effort, and creates yet another stupid half-assed Debian-based distro which nobody will use or maintain. |
| 17:41.01 | saudi-linux | PerfDave stew : i'm positive |
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| 17:41.16 | johnsbil | PerfDave: Skollinux is usin gth woody vertion |
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| 17:41.19 | PerfDave | saudi-linux: You may be positive, but you're still wrong. |
| 17:41.25 | stew | priest: http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html |
| 17:41.44 | PerfDave | saudi-linux: I have a very happy KDE desktop, and have not installed Gnome. |
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| 17:42.01 | stew | saudi-linux: debian would never have an installer that required a graphical front-end since the installer needs to work on 11 platforms |
| 17:42.13 | saudi-linux | PerfDave if you sure and i hope so how did you do it? |
| 17:42.21 | alfonso08 | what is faster? fb or vesa? |
| 17:42.27 | PerfDave | saudi-linux: I installed Debian, I installed X, I installed KDE. |
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| 17:43.05 | PerfDave | saudi-linux: It's not exactly rocket science, I just didn't install Gnome. |
| 17:43.25 | jasoncohen | stew, so, what is going to happen with the next stable release? will it be released officially on 4 archs and unofficially on the rest to make sure the next stable release doesn't take 3 years? |
| 17:43.38 | saudi-linux | PerfDave i think it's hard to the newbies to do it like this |
| 17:43.51 | ysothoth | wtf |
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| 17:43.54 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: It'll be released on whichever architectures can provide Debian with the necessary infrastructure. |
| 17:43.55 | giupy_ | can local apic cause problems with a prescott cpu wothout smp suuport ? |
| 17:43.56 | stew | jasoncohen: that hasn't been decided |
| 17:44.00 | ZorroPlateado | kenrel 2.6.8 don't compile: undefined reference to `drm_alloc', it's a radeon module |
| 17:44.12 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: Assuming the Vancouver Prospectus goes ahead, which is likely but not definite. |
| 17:44.24 | stew | jasoncohen: but in any case, its unlikely that debian will require a graphical installer |
| 17:44.27 | saudi-linux | i ment is there any way to choose between KDE and Gnome during the installation? |
| 17:44.34 | doleyb | saudi-linux: if you want a debian-variant for newbie, with fewer cds, get ubuntu |
| 17:44.37 | PerfDave | saudi-linux: Yes, with aptitude or dselect. |
| 17:44.49 | stew | saudi-linux: install. then when you are done installing, either apt-get install gnome, or apt-get install kde |
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| 17:45.08 | PerfDave | saudi-linux: If you want to make a Debian installer which automatically installs KDE and X, but not Gnome, read the documentation on customising d-i. You don't need to make your own Debian-based distro. |
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| 17:46.00 | oZt | PerfDave, thx |
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| 17:46.10 | saudi-linux | stew do you mean done installing the base system? |
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| 17:46.57 | ysothoth | Maybe the problem is tasksel sucks... and nobody really uses it except the new users |
| 17:47.50 | PerfDave | ysothoth: tasksel is fine for newbies. |
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| 17:48.00 | ysothoth | It installs 'all that stuff' |
| 17:48.08 | PerfDave | ysothoth: It installs stuff you probably won't use, but it definitely installs all the stuff you *do* want. |
| 17:48.33 | PerfDave | ysothoth: If you're Linux-experienced enough to know you don't want Gnome or whatever, you're Linux-experienced enough to live without tasksel. |
| 17:48.43 | ysothoth | PerfDave: Yes of course :) |
| 17:48.53 | stew | but does it have super-cow powers? |
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| 17:50.17 | barahona | join/ #debian-es |
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| 17:51.04 | giupy_ | has ubuntu support for promise fasttrack 100 lite raid controller ? |
| 17:51.13 | ysothoth | hehe |
| 17:51.13 | diesel | Anyone here that has tunneled windows ftp client to a linux ftp server? |
| 17:51.14 | PerfDave | giupy_: Ask #ubuntu |
| 17:51.21 | PerfDave | diesel: Tunneled how? |
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| 17:51.42 | diesel | PerfDave, through SSL (not SSH) |
| 17:51.42 | giupy_ | oops sorry i have wrong task :) |
| 17:51.43 | PerfDave | giupy_: I doubt it, Ubuntu seems pretty desktop-oriented currently. |
| 17:52.02 | PerfDave | diesel: Hmm, FTP over SSL is a bit hackish, can you not just use SFTP? |
| 17:52.37 | stew | giupy_: any current linux distro should, afaik |
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| 17:53.33 | diesel | PerfDave, I am forced to use a certain FTP client. Specifically the client in FTP Profile (a plugin for PGina: pgina.xpasystems.com) |
| 17:54.08 | PerfDave | diesel: So what are you trying to do? Set up a Linux FTP server with FTP-over-SSL support |
| 17:54.09 | Tecky | how do i switch debian to unstable ? |
| 17:54.11 | PerfDave | ? |
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| 17:54.24 | stew | Tecky: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 17:54.26 | PerfDave | Tecky: IYHTAYS |
| 17:54.36 | PerfDave | Tecky: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 17:55.12 | diesel | PerfDave, I suppose that is what I am trying to do. I can already configure vsftpd + SSL fine. |
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| 17:55.43 | PerfDave | diesel: So you've already set up an FTP server with SSL support. What are you trying to do now? |
| 17:56.42 | diesel | I now need to get the Windows ftp client to use SSL. I know very little about Windows ( I hate it). Perhaps this is more of a crappy Windows question. |
| 17:56.58 | PerfDave | diesel: I'm guessing that it is. Go find the support for pgina :) |
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| 17:57.26 | pureone | why not use winscp? |
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| 17:57.41 | pureone | for a sftp server that is |
| 17:57.43 | Aradorn | ok question, found a patch for my kernel that should fix my USB problem. BUt it dosnt say how to apply it, file name is blkdev_wakeup.patch. How would I install this? |
| 17:58.08 | PerfDave | pureone: Aparently diesel doesn't have that option. SFTP and OpenSSH would be the best and easiest option, IMHO. |
| 17:58.28 | IDC | bye,bed time,chill :) |
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| 17:59.24 | giupy_ | can local apic cause problems using cpu at max ? |
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| 18:03.38 | mono | hi, i have tried to post my problem to #postfix, tho. it seems like they are all sleeping |
| 18:04.32 | mono | my problem is that i have modified myhostname = mylocalhostname to mylocalhostname.mydoamin.com and now i get the error -User unknown in virtual alias table - stange. it worked fine with mylocalhostname there |
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| 18:05.39 | johnsbil | PerfDave: I'm trying to open the link:http://qref.sourceforge.net without managing. |
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| 18:06.47 | PerfDave | johnsbil: Works for me. |
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| 18:07.07 | johnsbil | My problem is that when Im logging into webmin and asking the printer to use a local file, (driver), it seems like I've never done anything there when I'm logging in next time. |
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| 18:07.35 | PerfDave | johnsbil: Have you asked #skolelinux? :) |
| 18:07.36 | _alessandro | hi all! :) |
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| 18:08.18 | _alessandro | please, i need help |
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| 18:08.29 | johnsbil | PerfDave: Yes, several times. They sent me over to You... |
| 18:08.57 | PerfDave | johnsbil: Well, they shouldn't. |
| 18:09.05 | PerfDave | !not supporting skolelinux |
| 18:09.06 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support $1 too. Try #$1 or donating money to charity. |
| 18:09.11 | PerfDave | Bah, stupid factoid |
| 18:09.22 | johnsbil | PerfDave: I'm quite a newbeginner with linux, and im trying to give my homenetwork a printer. |
| 18:09.35 | PerfDave | johnsbil: Then ask the IRC channel for the damn distribution you're running! |
| 18:09.42 | stew | PerfDave: but the #$1 channel is empty right now! |
| 18:10.01 | johnsbil | woody... |
| 18:10.10 | PerfDave | !skolelinux |
| 18:10.10 | rob_out | yeah, I tried #$1 and there's nobody there :( |
| 18:10.10 | dpkg | i guess skolelinux is at http://www.skolelinux.no/, or a derivative of debian for Norwegian schools, supposedly easier to install. We are developing a Linux distribution for schools. Our aim is to make it simple to install and maintain. Furthermore, to be of real use from primary school on up, it should be available in as many local languages as possible. |
| 18:10.16 | PerfDave | !debian based |
| 18:10.16 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
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| 18:10.36 | PerfDave | johnsbil: Try installing Debian, or Windows or something. |
| 18:11.05 | dfzi | is there any c++ related channel? a friend of mine is askin :I |
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| 18:11.18 | stew | dfzi: #c++ suprisingly enough |
| 18:11.18 | Bazzi | dfzi /list |
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| 18:11.41 | jasoncohen | anyone here run a mythtv backend on debian? |
| 18:11.43 | dfzi | stew, ok. i thought that if there was a coding related irc network, but that'll do - hopefully |
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| 18:12.09 | PerfDave | !d-i johnsbil |
| 18:12.10 | dpkg | johnsbil, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:12.11 | jasoncohen | i'm thinking of switching my mythtv backend box to debian as mandrake gets weird/slow for no apparent reason |
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| 18:12.21 | night_princess88 | er det ikke norske folk her ell? |
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| 18:12.30 | stew | jasoncohen: i have been for a while now, problem free |
| 18:12.36 | jasoncohen | cool |
| 18:12.44 | jasoncohen | stew, are you using LVM partitions? |
| 18:12.47 | priest | night_princess88: svenska om det går lika bra ;) |
| 18:12.49 | jasoncohen | i hope it recognizes my lvm |
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| 18:13.07 | night_princess88 | hehe jo funker det |
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| 18:13.11 | stew | jasoncohen: i'm not, but d-i is fine with lvm afaik |
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| 18:13.27 | Wowzer | check this out...a mac mini running debian on batteries: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~silasb/macbat/ |
| 18:13.27 | johnsbil | PerfDave: Do you recomend me to reinstal my computer with debian? |
| 18:13.31 | jasoncohen | i'm getting this when i ssh in - Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. |
| 18:13.31 | night_princess88 | åssen chat er dette? |
| 18:13.34 | jasoncohen | how do i fix it? |
| 18:13.37 | beardy | night_princess88: This channels language is english, since there are people here from all over the world. Try #debian.no, if there is such a channel. |
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| 18:14.07 | ermavin | prøv engelsk du, night_princess88... |
| 18:14.26 | PerfDave | johnsbil: Yes |
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| 18:14.44 | night_princess88 | i can speak english if i want to |
| 18:14.51 | johnsbil | <night_princess88> For Debian/Linuks brukere |
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| 18:15.20 | stew | night_princess88: please speak enlish in here |
| 18:15.24 | night_princess88 | skjønner ikke noe jeg ass |
| 18:15.41 | johnsbil | PerfDave: Why? |
| 18:15.58 | dfzi | night_princess88, what a pathetic try of getting help from linux geeks as performing as female :P |
| 18:16.10 | dfzi | s/as/by |
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| 18:16.24 | Llama|whome | hiall |
| 18:16.52 | Llama|whome | I try to browse winXP SP2 sharesw with smbclient -L xpbox and get error |
| 18:16.59 | johnsbil | <night_princess88> It's fore people who likes to work with linuxcomputers. Like me I'm a teacher at www.haldenfriskole.no |
| 18:17.00 | jasoncohen | anyone know what "no xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding" means/ |
| 18:17.02 | Llama|whome | Error returning browse list: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 18:17.09 | Llama|whome | guest on XP is enabled |
| 18:17.10 | mrbuckets | Yay for my new Netserver Debian boxy |
| 18:17.11 | mrbuckets | : ) |
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| 18:17.24 | Llama|whome | no domains etc, simply homenet |
| 18:17.55 | ermavin | Llama|whome: do U have the same account on xp as on samba? |
| 18:18.05 | rob_lt | !u |
| 18:18.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:18.16 | Llama|whome | ermavin, no, but I heve Guest enabled on XP |
| 18:18.27 | EdibleText | Llama|whome, smbclient -L xpbox -U guest |
| 18:18.38 | EdibleText | Llama|whome, try that |
| 18:18.40 | Llama|whome | ermavin, and I try with -U Gueest anf have same result |
| 18:18.52 | ermavin | Llama|whome: anyhow, it's usually not enough, what about firewall on xp? |
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| 18:19.09 | Llama|whome | ermavin, sure turned off |
| 18:20.51 | ermavin | Llama|whome, okay, have to access w2003 server and xp pro from debian, account and pw is the same on both, goes fine against share, printers and so. |
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| 18:21.56 | Llama|whome | ermavin, so there are no way to have anonymous access to XP with samba ? :( |
| 18:23.06 | ermavin | Llama|whome, guess so but.....this is only my home net, dont have the time to hassel with it:) one server, some workstation only |
| 18:23.19 | stew | Llama|whome: ask in #samba |
| 18:23.25 | toresbe | PerfDave: Hey, I'm fairly sure Skolelinux CUPS is identical to Woody CUPS |
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| 18:24.05 | toresbe | PerfDave: johnsbil has gone through all the correct channels, #skolelinux, mailinglists, he's STFW'd, RTFM'd, and struggled with this for quite a while |
| 18:24.11 | Llama|whome | stew, I asket about half hour ago and reading bugzilla sine that time. I ask google and find this problem, but no solution... |
| 18:24.34 | beardy | toresbe: why donät you try to help him then? |
| 18:24.46 | toresbe | beardy: I *have*, but I suck at CUPS myself |
| 18:24.58 | stew | !cups setup |
| 18:24.58 | dpkg | hmm... cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
| 18:25.03 | toresbe | PerfDave: So, yes, this isn't Debian, but this part of Skolelinux is very similar to Debian. |
| 18:25.19 | toresbe | stew: He's done that, but when he attempts to add a custom PPD it won't work |
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| 18:25.31 | EdibleText | Llama|whome, have you modified the SignOrSeal registry entry |
| 18:25.55 | ermavin | Llama|whome, some Googeling says: "an authentication is required to access windoze share" |
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| 18:26.36 | Llama|whome | ermavin, seems to be true :( |
| 18:26.45 | Llama|whome | EdibleText, no, what is it? |
| 18:26.58 | EdibleText | Llama|whome, some windows XP lameness |
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| 18:27.20 | EdibleText | Llama|whome, I have had to change it for all XP boxes on my network so far |
| 18:27.49 | EdibleText | Llama|whome, hold on Ill find a page for you |
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| 18:28.43 | Llama|whome | EdibleText, I find item in system policy: Computer Configuration\Windows Settings\Security Settings\Local Policies\Security Options\Network access: Do not allow anonymous enumeration of SAM accounts and shares |
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| 18:31.26 | alex_extreme | hi |
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| 18:31.58 | alex_extreme | i'm having a little problem with Debian... |
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| 18:32.25 | sepski | !ask |
| 18:32.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 18:32.30 | ClapClap[Cpp] | bonjour |
| 18:32.56 | ClapClap[Cpp] | i am a problem with debian sarge |
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| 18:33.20 | ClapClap[Cpp] | /sbin/init:426:cannot open dev/console: no such file |
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| 18:33.23 | ClapClap[Cpp] | Kernel panic |
| 18:33.52 | alex_extreme | my problem is that I need to use the cloop filesystem to make my Morphix module, but i can't find a kernel module available in debian sarge for it. It just errors out when i try to compile it from source |
| 18:33.55 | sepski | ClapClap[Cpp], is that an official debian kernel-image ? |
| 18:34.06 | ClapClap[Cpp] | yes i think |
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| 18:34.29 | stew | !info cloop-src srage |
| 18:34.33 | stew | !info cloop-src sarge |
| 18:34.35 | dpkg | cloop-src: (Source of the compressed loopback device module), section misc, is optional. Version: 2.01.5-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 18:34.51 | green_earz | ClapClap[Cpp]: for debian images http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 18:35.18 | ClapClap[Cpp] | my hard disk is a ATA |
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| 18:35.52 | EdibleText | Llama|whome, I couldnt find a web page. Even searching for windows crap is a pain in the ass. If you want I could walk you through by memory. |
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| 18:36.43 | green_earz | ClapClap[Cpp]: have you rolled your own kernel ??? |
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| 18:36.58 | furrywolf | !nslookup my.ebay.com |
| 18:37.07 | furrywolf | bah, dpkg doesn't do lookups? :) |
| 18:37.31 | ermavin | EdibleText, interesting, I'll check on a xp box right now |
| 18:37.41 | ClapClap[Cpp] | what? sorry, i'm french ;) |
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| 18:37.54 | glick | excuse me does cut and paste work in fluxbox? |
| 18:39.55 | stew | glick: cut and paste doesn't have anything to do with your window manager |
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| 18:39.55 | furrywolf | my isp seems to have a dead backbone connection or something... about 50% of sites work, the other 50% vanish about 8 hops from me, with 77% packet loss 7 hops away... |
| 18:40.16 | glick | im a kde user and id like to give fluxbox a serious tryout |
| 18:40.28 | glick | can anyone recommend a kontact replacement |
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| 18:40.37 | ClapClap[Cpp] | This message occurs just after the first part of the installation |
| 18:40.38 | glick | so i dont have to load all the kde libraries every time |
| 18:40.39 | stew | glick: you can use kontact in fluxbox |
| 18:40.42 | stew | ahh |
| 18:41.22 | gan|y|med | ok, i am not new to kernel building, but i hate patching: so can anybody tell me what it means when i patch -p1 and nothing happens?? |
| 18:41.25 | glick | also what about programs that run in the panel like gaim and such |
| 18:41.30 | glick | does flux support this? |
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| 18:41.47 | beardy | glick: apropos contacts ? |
| 18:42.14 | glick | beardy, nothing approprate |
| 18:42.16 | beardy | glick: install it and try it, you don't have to uninstall kde to try different window managers. |
| 18:42.22 | Iconsumed | Can someone tell me how to join a channel on IRC with centericq? |
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| 18:42.34 | glick | beardy, ive tried flux before but didnt really get into it |
| 18:42.44 | glick | it like to really try it out and using nothing but flux for a month |
| 18:42.55 | stew | Iconsumed: if it were anything other than /join #channelname i'd be suprised |
| 18:43.08 | beardy | glick: just do it then :) |
| 18:43.20 | ClapClap[Cpp] | !suicide |
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| 18:43.29 | glick | beardy, flux cant run programs in a panel can it? |
| 18:43.34 | glick | like gaim |
| 18:43.38 | furrywolf | !gender |
| 18:43.38 | dpkg | I'm lesbian |
| 18:43.40 | glick | when you close it it continues to run in the panel |
| 18:43.42 | furrywolf | lol |
| 18:43.54 | beardy | glick: I don't know, try it and find out yourself how it works. |
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| 18:44.43 | furrywolf | !strapon |
| 18:44.43 | dpkg | strapon is probably a fun toy |
| 18:44.54 | Iconsumed | stew: I get the server as a contact in the "icq-like" list on the side, and when I message it /join #chan nothing happens... thought I might have to add it as a contact or something |
| 18:44.56 | Patrick` | what's the virtual package that installs all the stuff you need for a working xserver/font server/whatever in one fell swoop? |
| 18:45.19 | mrbuckets | Patrick`: is it xfree86-common? |
| 18:45.21 | j_k | Patrick`: x-window-system |
| 18:45.22 | green_earz | ClapClap[Cpp]: it look like its a bad burned cd or the debiam image that it was burned from as a error. run a copy on the box of knoppix, which runs from the cd drive, if it runs knoppix ok you should be able to install debian on the box |
| 18:45.25 | gan|y|med | and does anybody know where i get fglrx-kernel-src from??? |
| 18:45.33 | Patrick` | mrbuckets: what j_k said |
| 18:45.34 | mrbuckets | I was off. j_k is in. |
| 18:45.35 | Patrick` | j_k: ta |
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| 18:45.49 | iLLf8d | lo all |
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| 18:46.02 | Patrick` | "Need to get 47.5MB of archives." <-- sounds about right |
| 18:46.03 | mrbuckets | ni hao, iLLf8d |
| 18:46.12 | alex_extreme | anyone have any ideas about getting cloop? |
| 18:46.16 | iLLf8d | can anyone tell me the default user/group for /var/www in apache2 in debian? is it root.root or www-data.www-data? |
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| 18:46.26 | Spec | I just now installed and ran chkrootkit and it says I have 133 processes hidden for readdir command, and ps command |
| 18:46.31 | furrywolf | ill: the second |
| 18:46.38 | sepski | alex_extreme, stew told you earlier, scroll up |
| 18:46.40 | Patrick` | www-data |
| 18:46.41 | iLLf8d | furrywolf: thanks |
| 18:46.48 | Spec | and that it may be a possible lkm trojan |
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| 18:46.53 | Spec | how do i verify/fix that? :p |
| 18:46.58 | stew | alex_extreme: apt-cache search cloop |
| 18:47.04 | Patrick` | Spec: I'd prooobably say it was paranoia |
| 18:47.16 | green_earz | ClapClap[Cpp]: are you a broadband use if so download a debian sarge netinstall cd. its about 110 meg |
| 18:47.16 | cahoot | Spec: look at bugs.debian.org |
| 18:47.20 | Patrick` | but, as always, google is your friend |
| 18:47.33 | furrywolf | spec: if the box is truely rooted, you'll want to a fresh install to fix it... |
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| 18:47.37 | green_earz | ClapClap[Cpp]: sorry user not use |
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| 18:47.57 | alex_extreme | i tried compiling cloop-src, but it errors out when running make |
| 18:48.00 | stew | Spec: check the binaries with debsums |
| 18:48.12 | Patrick` | alex_extreme: apt-get build-deps cloop |
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| 18:48.29 | furrywolf | stew: if it's an lkm/other kernel hack, they'll checksum fine. |
| 18:48.33 | Patrick` | also, run ./configure if it exists? |
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| 18:48.37 | stew | alex_extreme: are you using module-assistant? |
| 18:48.40 | alex_extreme | no |
| 18:49.15 | alex_extreme | bbl |
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| 18:49.44 | Spec | stew: which binaries? |
| 18:49.48 | glick | does fluxbox support true transparency where my console will look like its part of the background? |
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| 18:49.57 | Spec | how can i see which processes are running that cannot be seen via ps? |
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| 18:50.06 | furrywolf | glick: why the heck would you want that? |
| 18:50.09 | mousex | is there a Web site with GRUB backgrounds? |
| 18:50.09 | stew | Spec: all, but specifically i'd look at ps |
| 18:50.18 | glick | furrywolf, cause it looks cool |
| 18:50.27 | stew | alex_extreme: did you read /usr/share/doc/cloop-src/[README.Debian]? |
| 18:50.50 | stew | glick: no, true transparancy isn't supported in xfree |
| 18:51.06 | furrywolf | stew: ls -l every number from 1 to 65535 in /proc |
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| 18:51.17 | stew | why? |
| 18:51.34 | gtigene | Trying to use nfs, I can't mount the exported files, get "connection refused". But my hosts.allow and hosts.deny files look OK. What could be wrong? |
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| 18:52.04 | sepski | gtigene, portmap running on both boxes ? |
| 18:52.05 | stew | gtigene: is portmap started? |
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| 18:52.21 | furrywolf | stew: because that will check every pid to see if it exists. if the number that finds is greater than the number ps ax shows, something is amiss. |
| 18:52.22 | gtigene | sepski, yes rpcinfo -p looks fine. |
| 18:52.22 | Spec | where can i find the checksums of all the files in the package procps 3.1.14-1 |
| 18:52.23 | iLLf8d | hrm I could swear the permissions on my /var/www path have changed from www-data.www-data to root.root and I dunno why =P |
| 18:52.24 | toresbe | gtigene: portmap on both boxen? |
| 18:52.30 | stew | furrywolf: i think you mean someone else |
| 18:52.34 | sepski | gtigene, on _both_ boxes ? |
| 18:52.45 | furrywolf | stew: spec. I got the s right. :P |
| 18:52.52 | stew | oh right |
| 18:52.56 | toresbe | sepski: hey btw |
| 18:53.01 | sepski | toresbe, :) |
| 18:53.08 | gtigene | toresbe, yes repcinfo -p looks ok on both boxes. Box A can export to box B but box B can't export to box a |
| 18:53.09 | toresbe | peeka... |
| 18:53.12 | furrywolf | someone stepped on my tail as I was trying to sleep last night. :P |
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| 18:53.27 | Spec | yay root |
| 18:53.38 | Spec | err, isn't there a list of checksums somewhere on the debian site? |
| 18:54.02 | stew | Spec: there is in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 18:54.10 | sepski | gtigene, check for typos in exports and hosts.allow/deny |
| 18:54.14 | Patrick` | yes, so whoever roots your box replaces the checksum program with one that feeds you values from that list |
| 18:54.15 | stew | Spec: which is what debsums will check against |
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| 18:54.29 | Spec | ah |
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| 18:54.33 | jharrisonwk | anyone know much about mailman? |
| 18:54.33 | stew | Patrick`: if it is a debian specific attack which i've never heard of |
| 18:54.36 | Patrick` | I know I would, anyway |
| 18:54.44 | gtigene | sepski: ok |
| 18:54.44 | Patrick` | stew: eh, I'm thinking in hypotheticals |
| 18:54.51 | L00thar | I suppose there is no particular switch in 'find' which has it pass on only the first instance of something it finds, say to '-exec' ..? |
| 18:55.08 | Patrick` | well, you could tell it to stop after 1 match |
| 18:55.14 | furrywolf | checking sums is relatively pointless... all the good rootkits hack the kernel, and don't modify any binaries... |
| 18:55.21 | jharrisonwk | some of the links in my mailman installation have cgi-bin/mailman/etc... when it shoudl be /mailman/etc... |
| 18:55.24 | jharrisonwk | its causing a problem |
| 18:55.46 | furrywolf | either by loading a module that messes with the kernel or patching it directly through kmem... |
| 18:56.24 | Spec | so i can assume that these 133 hidden processes are just a false positive? |
| 18:56.26 | stew | jharrisonwk: i got around that with an alias in httpd.conf |
| 18:56.31 | furrywolf | spec: no, you can't. |
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| 18:56.53 | Epod69 | hey everyone |
| 18:57.03 | stew | furrywolf: checking the sums would also check the sum of the knerel, no? |
| 18:57.06 | gan|y|med | nobody knows anything about kernel patching? |
| 18:57.12 | furrywolf | stew: no. |
| 18:57.16 | stew | furrywolf: why not? |
| 18:57.29 | furrywolf | they don't modify the kernel on disk... they modify the kernel in ram. |
| 18:57.30 | Epod69 | is their anyway of installing debian with grub and with reiserfs ? |
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| 18:57.32 | green_earz | jharrisonwk: here a howto link that may be some help http://homex.subnet.at/~max/mail/mailman.php#intro |
| 18:57.36 | jharrisonwk | stew: well the mailing lists pages work initially but then after you are on the page some of the links from there do not work |
| 18:57.40 | furrywolf | suckit, for example, replaces system calls with its own ones. |
| 18:57.42 | gtigene | Is there a way to tell portmap to re-read hosts.allow and hosts.deny? |
| 18:57.44 | Patrick` | gan|y|med: man patch |
| 18:57.59 | Patrick` | Epod69: probably |
| 18:57.59 | aztec101 | hello all |
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| 18:58.05 | furrywolf | so when a program such as ps does a system call, what it gets back might have no relation to reality. |
| 18:58.16 | Jacobo221 | why does discover always show "unknown unknown" a couple of times before displaying useful hardware data? |
| 18:58.19 | j_k | gtigene: maybe /etc/init.d/portmap force-reload ? |
| 18:58.26 | beardy | Epod69: why do you want reiserfs? |
| 18:58.31 | Epod69 | Patrick: is there any cd's that come with more features like that |
| 18:58.40 | Anders1 | !ricerfs Epod69 |
| 18:58.44 | gtigene | j_k thanks |
| 18:59.14 | stew | jharrisonwk: looks like i'm handling that with mod-rewrite these days (i had forgotten) |
| 18:59.38 | jharrisonwk | stew: oh ok |
| 18:59.40 | stew | jharrisonwk: RewriteRule ^lists\.([^/]+)/mailman/(.*) /home/virtual/$1/var/lists/cgi-bin/$2 [L,T=application/x-httpd-cgi] |
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| 19:00.03 | stew | which is tailored to my site but you get the idea |
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| 19:00.53 | Spec | oh, i know what the false positives are |
| 19:00.55 | aztec101 | simple question for any one to answer probably I would like to block certain domains from sending mail to my server where do I need to set that variable? |
| 19:01.19 | stew | aztec101: depends on your mta |
| 19:01.50 | L00thar | Epod69: Don't use resierfs. It's not properly supported. Use it for experimentaiton if you want. |
| 19:02.00 | aztec101 | stew: could you exand on MTA? |
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| 19:02.06 | stew | !mta |
| 19:02.06 | dpkg | from memory, mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 19:02.07 | Patrick` | L00thar: oh great, now someone tells me |
| 19:02.13 | aztec101 | !MTA |
| 19:02.13 | dpkg | somebody said mta was a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
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| 19:02.21 | valdyn | L00thar: how is reiserfs supported "not properly"? |
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| 19:02.27 | pzn | do you know how to install grub + menu.lst in a floppy (using debian sarge / grub 0.95)? |
| 19:02.39 | jasoncohen | this is messed up. my ssh server isn't working. I created a RSA keypair, copied id_rsa.pub to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, set the permissions to 600 and i can't even login to myself. I turned off permissions on key files as well and it still fails. i have no idea what's going on |
| 19:02.43 | L00thar | !reiserfs L00thar |
| 19:02.44 | jasoncohen | my root keys work fine |
| 19:02.59 | Epod69 | why would resierfs not be supported, it better then ext2 and ext3 |
| 19:03.12 | stew | !ricerfs |
| 19:03.13 | dpkg | methinks ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 19:03.13 | gan|y|med | thx |
| 19:03.17 | L00thar | valdyn: I knew I'd get one like you. I'm not going to argue the point. It just ain't. |
| 19:03.32 | furrywolf | spec: and what are they? |
| 19:03.47 | Spec | apache/scarab/java processes |
| 19:03.53 | Spec | you can just get the PID and look it up in /pro |
| 19:03.54 | Spec | c |
| 19:03.55 | gtigene | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:04.10 | valdyn | L00thar: my point is that reiserfs is supported *just* like ext2/3 on sarge |
| 19:04.20 | Spec | get pid: /usr/lib/chkrootkit/chkproc -v |
| 19:04.20 | aztec101 | stew: incoming is handled by qpopper and outgoing by exim |
| 19:04.23 | Patrick` | so is /dev/null fs |
| 19:04.27 | Patrick` | but that doesn't make it stable |
| 19:04.28 | jasoncohen | what could be happening with shs? |
| 19:04.30 | jasoncohen | *ssh |
| 19:04.31 | L00thar | valdyn: I mean upstream. |
| 19:04.40 | furrywolf | spec: extremely busy webserver? |
| 19:04.53 | Spec | i don't think that server is too busy |
| 19:04.57 | Spec | it might be a little busy |
| 19:05.05 | drac | L00thar: Upstream of what? |
| 19:05.15 | Epod69 | what is so great about ext2, and why do they limit you to it ? |
| 19:05.16 | valdyn | L00thar: now you're truely confusing me.. |
| 19:05.24 | Epod69 | if anything i would at least go with ext3 |
| 19:05.37 | beardy | Epod69: "They" do not limit you to anything, just run it if you want to. |
| 19:05.40 | valdyn | Epod69: no one limits you to ext2/3, unless you use woody ( or an older debian release ) |
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| 19:05.57 | drac | !d-i Epod69 |
| 19:05.57 | dpkg | Epod69, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:06.02 | Epod69 | oh, which cd should i download |
| 19:06.03 | stew | aztec101: i think you got incoming and outgoing backwards, exim is the mta |
| 19:06.12 | drac | Epod69: ^^ |
| 19:06.13 | Epod69 | i downloaded the min woody cd, i didnt know which one to do |
| 19:06.25 | aztec101 | stew: mta I mean |
| 19:06.34 | stew | aztec101: anyway, ask in #exim |
| 19:06.38 | aztec101 | ok |
| 19:06.54 | Epod69 | also, when the comp finally started up i noticed it was a 2.2 kernel......... |
| 19:06.57 | aztec101 | stew: TY |
| 19:07.07 | valdyn | !tell Epod69 about woody |
| 19:07.08 | Epod69 | what min cd should I download ? |
| 19:07.08 | alex_extreme | oh... i read README.Debian for cloop and it worked. Thanks! :) |
| 19:07.30 | green_earz | pzn: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/grub/grub.htm |
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| 19:07.45 | stew | !d-i Epod69 |
| 19:07.46 | dpkg | Epod69, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:07.50 | stew | download a netinst |
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| 19:07.56 | Epod69 | im like two months new to linux, so i dont know much, but i started off with gentoo so i guess that helped...I just dont want to use gentoo anymore, it seems to make things more complicated then they are |
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| 19:08.28 | valdyn | Epod69: just follow the link dpkg told you and install that ( sarge ) |
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| 19:08.57 | jharrisonwk | the questions is how do you change the base url of already created lists |
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| 19:09.02 | Epod69 | dpkg: is there a good min cd I can download, i really see the point of downloading a whole cd if I am going to be installing all packages over the net |
| 19:09.21 | green_earz | Epod69: for bedtime read Debian Reference > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 19:09.44 | valdyn | Epod69: why didnt you already download the sarge netinst? |
| 19:09.45 | Epod69 | green_earz: ok, it sounds exciting |
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| 19:10.08 | Epod69 | im at work right now...i just opened the site, what is netinst? |
| 19:10.17 | Phated | !netinst |
| 19:10.17 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
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| 19:10.36 | green_earz | Epod69: its a very handy doc |
| 19:10.54 | stew | Epod69: a netinst cd will be 110mb, its the top set of links on that page iirc |
| 19:11.24 | jasoncohen | um, can someone explain why public key authentication would fail if a) i have public key authentication enabled in sshd_config, b) i have permissions set to 600 in .ssh and 700 on the directory c) i did ssh-keygen -t rsa ...then copied id_rsa.pub to authorized_keys |
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| 19:11.38 | jasoncohen | it works fine for my root key |
| 19:11.42 | jasoncohen | it just refuses to work with my user |
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| 19:11.55 | stew | jasoncohen: try ssh -v and /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 19:12.14 | stew | jasoncohen: and btw, there is a handy script ssh-copy-d to move the keys for you without making mistakes |
| 19:12.29 | Epod69 | thanx for the help |
| 19:12.54 | jasoncohen | thanks |
| 19:13.05 | stew | err ssh-copy-id |
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| 19:13.58 | giupy | hi all |
| 19:14.35 | giupy | now i know the problem, APIC error on CPU0: 00(08), but i don't know how can i solve it, i have a pentium 3.2ht without smp... |
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| 19:14.46 | toresbe | night |
| 19:14.53 | sepski | night torsebe |
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| 19:15.32 | j_k | giupy: when does this error occur ? |
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| 19:16.13 | Jason__ | werd |
| 19:16.16 | rob_lt | giupy: you could try passing noapic as a boot option in grub, if you don't have a need for apic. |
| 19:16.30 | giupy | j_k when i use cpu at max, for example it's happend when i try copy a big dir from a partiton to another, of decompress big files |
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| 19:16.51 | valdyn | giupy: this could just be a little overheating |
| 19:17.30 | jharrisonwk | ok mailman is starting to get on my nerves |
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| 19:17.54 | giupy | oh |
| 19:17.54 | jasoncohen | stew, the debug output doesn't look helpful. http://pastebin.com/287093 |
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| 19:18.26 | bwlang | i have a 3ware controller card and am trying to set up smartctl to monitor the drives... smartct /dev/sda -d 3ware,0 -a works but prints an error about an invaid opcode. I think i'm supposed to use /dev/twe0 now but that just says NO DEVICE FOUND. kernel 2.6.8 - anybody know how to solve this? |
| 19:18.35 | giupy | i use cpu acpi, can it be that the problem too ? |
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| 19:18.41 | valdyn | giupy: it could also be not important at all, so uh, unless this error reoccurs very often and/or you are seeing real problems, its possible that you can just ignore it |
| 19:19.08 | giupy | valdyn but system crashes |
| 19:19.16 | giupy | i can't ignore it :)) |
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| 19:19.59 | L00thar | !reiserfs |
| 19:19.59 | dpkg | it has been said that reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 19:20.22 | Bazzi | heh |
| 19:20.28 | rikva | hi all, you propably hear this question all the time, but... i need libdvdcss for watching a scrambled dvd (yes, it is legal in my country), so where can i get the .deb file? |
| 19:20.37 | stew | jasoncohen: so its sending your key, but the server doesn't like it, /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 19:20.49 | alessandro_ | hi all :)!!! |
| 19:21.00 | jasoncohen | stew, already tried that |
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| 19:21.09 | giupy | hi alessandro are you italian? |
| 19:21.12 | jasoncohen | stew, i'm doing the same exact thing as root and it works fine |
| 19:21.13 | alessandro_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.15 | valdyn | !tell rikva about marillat |
| 19:21.16 | streuner | rikva: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 19:21.16 | alessandro_ | yes |
| 19:21.41 | firepol | hi people. i did something really stupid on my hard disk (i have 1 partition with win2003 server and one part. with debian). i wanted to enlarge my win2003 partition... |
| 19:21.46 | alessandro_ | please... I need internet... |
| 19:21.47 | stew | jasoncohen: root on the client or on the server? |
| 19:21.51 | giupy | alessandro_ ac97 i think with slrmodem module, you must download it, try debian-it :) |
| 19:21.56 | stew | jasoncohen: this is most likely a problem with the authorized_keys file |
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| 19:21.57 | streuner | alessandro_: /msg dpkg winmodem |
| 19:22.29 | streuner | firepol: partion magic |
| 19:22.33 | stew | jasoncohen: try moving that file out of the way and ssh-copy-id jason@192.168.0.6 |
| 19:22.35 | j_k | alessandro_: what's your usb modem ? |
| 19:22.36 | streuner | firepol: partition magic |
| 19:22.38 | alessandro_ | so... I can get slrmodule from Synaptics?? |
| 19:22.42 | jasoncohen | i create the key pair on the server, cat id_rsa.pub >> authorized_keys, then copy id_rsa to the client |
| 19:22.56 | giupy | alessandro_ it's not a deb pkg |
| 19:23.03 | giupy | search on google |
| 19:23.07 | valdyn | alessandro_: all you need is in debian also ( unless you insist on using the proprietary driver ) |
| 19:23.15 | j_k | jasoncohen: you usually do it the other way round. |
| 19:23.41 | j_k | jasoncohen: I mean, generate the key on the client and append the public key to the server's authorized_keys. |
| 19:23.56 | giupy | valdyn i don't want to make he use a prorprietary modem :) , this is only my experience |
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| 19:24.10 | jasoncohen | i'm making it really simple..for testing purposes i've been trying on the same box |
| 19:24.18 | jasoncohen | i can't even connect to myself |
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| 19:24.47 | jasoncohen | ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 2048, cat id_rsa.pub >> authorized_keys, chmod 600 |
| 19:24.47 | j_k | jasoncohen: then what do you mean with "copy id_rsa to the client" ? |
| 19:25.12 | jasoncohen | j_k, well, that's what i would normally do. I'm testing using the same machine for simplicity |
| 19:25.15 | giupy | wich is the different between noapic and nolapic ? |
| 19:25.20 | jasoncohen | and i simply don't know what i could be doing wrong |
| 19:25.33 | j_k | jasoncohen: your id_rsa is in ~/.ssh or on ssh's command line, right? |
| 19:25.39 | bwlang | looks like you have to use smartmontools from experimental to work with /dev/twe |
| 19:25.48 | jasoncohen | j_k, yes, in ~/.ssh |
| 19:26.20 | bwlang | is there a transcript of this irc channel being stored somewhere? might be helpful |
| 19:26.23 | firepol | streuner: pmagic doesnt work with win2003. i used another program... it had a "wizard" to move free space from a linux partition to a ntfs partition... i did it, the job lasted 5 hours... |
| 19:26.53 | j_k | jasoncohen: does ssh ask for your passphrase ? |
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| 19:27.14 | jasoncohen | j_k, somtimes and then fails after 1 try |
| 19:27.20 | jasoncohen | and othertimes it doesn't |
| 19:27.25 | jasoncohen | i think i might have found the answer |
| 19:27.31 | jasoncohen | really messed up permissions in /home |
| 19:27.37 | jasoncohen | drwxr-xr-x 73 501 501 78848 2005-05-20 15:26 jason |
| 19:27.40 | jasoncohen | i couldn't delete .ssh |
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| 19:27.46 | firepol | anyway, my problem is the following: my EXT3 partition was 69 Gb, now it is 68 GB. but if i mount it,. then i do "ls" i get this error: EXT3-fs error ... ext3_readdir: bad entry in directory #2 rec_len % 4 !=0 - offset=0 ... |
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| 19:28.44 | firepol | i tried fsck.ext3 /dev/hda3 ... i get some prompts like "Inode 1718 has illegal blocks Clear(y)? shoudl i clear all the illegal blocks do u think ill be able to recover my data? |
| 19:29.03 | jasoncohen | that was it! |
| 19:29.08 | jasoncohen | it had absolutely nothing to do with ssh..grr |
| 19:29.16 | j_k | :-) |
| 19:29.18 | jasoncohen | i didn't own .ssh...only the files inside |
| 19:29.33 | Paganist | question... I would like to perform an install of debian on 6 sparc stations but so far i only used debian on x86. I have a look in the netinstall to find an image for sparc and there's none.... How am i supposed to install debian on those please ? |
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| 19:29.38 | jasoncohen | 2 for user stupidy, 0 for software bugs |
| 19:29.49 | jasoncohen | lol, i hate when that happens |
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| 19:30.14 | j_k | firepol: did you resize this partition without resizing the filesystem it contains ? |
| 19:30.29 | firepol | j_k exactly |
| 19:30.42 | firepol | have i some chances to get back my data? |
| 19:30.45 | Paganist | fsck questions of that kind is certainly the nost scary thing i know on linux |
| 19:30.48 | j_k | firepol: can't you reset it to its original size, then do the stuff properly with parted ? |
| 19:31.08 | stew | !d-i Paganist |
| 19:31.08 | dpkg | Paganist, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:31.10 | j_k | firepol: if you can, stop e2fsck now. |
| 19:31.17 | Paganist | hehe |
| 19:31.19 | firepol | I dont know if i can. i doubt that if i use the tool i used before it will do some "good work" |
| 19:31.24 | Paganist | stew ty |
| 19:31.31 | firepol | shit i already answered "y" to 3 questions to clear :( |
| 19:31.32 | j_k | firepol: what's that tool ? |
| 19:32.03 | j_k | firepol: is there something in the cut chunk now ? did something write something there ? (something?) |
| 19:32.14 | firepol | is it too late? well ill mark on a paper the nodes or blocks numbers i answered clear... if it can help later |
| 19:32.15 | wooden | clear |
| 19:32.43 | firepol | ok the 1st quetion was: Inode 1718 has illegal blocks clear(y) i answered y. |
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| 19:33.01 | rikva | valdyn & streuner: thx! |
| 19:33.06 | firepol | then: Inode 1718 is a zero lenght directory clear. i answered also y. |
| 19:33.25 | valdyn | firepol: that fs cannot be mounted at the moment? |
| 19:33.32 | firepol | anyway, i relized that i dont want to press y all the evening... thats why im here |
| 19:33.38 | valdyn | firepol: or is it just forcing you to fsck? |
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| 19:33.54 | firepol | it can be mounted. but i get this eror if i issue the "ls comamnd: EXT3-fs error ... ext3_readdir: bad entry in directory #2 rec_len % 4 !=0 - offset=0 ... |
| 19:34.04 | mhall | How are the RCBs looking? |
| 19:34.10 | j_k | firepol: is the GB you killed overwritten with something ? |
| 19:34.13 | Paganist | firepol: the problem is to define when to press y or n |
| 19:34.23 | firepol | i did fascck, hoping it can fix it.fsck was not forced. |
| 19:34.42 | mhall | firepol: ouch, corrupt FS? |
| 19:34.57 | j_k | mhall: partition resized to smaller. |
| 19:35.00 | valdyn | firepol: backup that partition, then just fsck it or the backup and dont touch the other.. |
| 19:35.23 | Paganist | btw: is there any method to know when to answer y or n after an fs corruption to fsck ? because answering blindly is scary and most oftenly will fuck up the filesystem...... |
| 19:35.24 | Solet | how can i manually empty the printer job line? when i click it then click cancel it locks up and dies every time |
| 19:35.34 | mhall | j_k: with what tool? |
| 19:35.53 | j_k | mhall: firepol didn't mention it. |
| 19:35.58 | valdyn | Paganist: yea, you would have to read the fs with hex editor and read |
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| 19:36.17 | j_k | mhall: probably something that didn't resize the fs before biting a chunk from the partition. |
| 19:36.24 | firepol | j_k, i dont remember the tool i used. i insatleld it on win2003. but now the system is nto bootable. |
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| 19:36.31 | Paganist | valdyn: how fun... and so i supposedly should know exactly how ext3 is organised on my disk and all |
| 19:36.35 | j_k | mhall: hence, "illegal block" |
| 19:36.52 | Paganist | for once, M$ tools are superior |
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| 19:37.13 | firepol | mmh. ill backup the partition with ghost 2003. what a stupid mistake i did ill have to work all the weekend now to fix that mess :( |
| 19:37.20 | j_k | firepol: can you fdisk -l /dev/your_disk to #flood ? |
| 19:37.21 | valdyn | Paganist: now that is bullshit, fsck cannot guess the former contents of your disk |
| 19:37.39 | mhall | firepol: two things. what tool did you use? and next, did anybody suggest mounting as ext2 |
| 19:37.48 | Althaser | when i do apt-get build-dep gaim it give me this |
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| 19:37.57 | Althaser | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 19:37.57 | Althaser | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 19:37.57 | Althaser | E: Build-dependencies for gaim could not be satisfied. |
| 19:37.59 | Paganist | valdyn: yup, but i never had to answer this kind of question with the M$ shit |
| 19:38.00 | Althaser | why ? please |
| 19:38.18 | firepol | j_k, actually im accessing the system with a gentoo live cd. ill try to pu a flioppy, do the comamnd u told me and put it in flood. |
| 19:38.24 | stew | Althaser: are you trying to backport or something? |
| 19:38.27 | valdyn | Paganist: you can force fsck to answer yes for you too |
| 19:38.27 | Paganist | Althaser: maybe a package gaim depends of lacks |
| 19:38.36 | j_k | firepol: the gentoo live cd probably has fdisk on it. |
| 19:38.56 | j_k | firepol: ah, you mean you're not accessing the net from the system in question. |
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| 19:39.18 | Althaser | stew nop |
| 19:39.28 | stew | Althaser: apt-get update? |
| 19:39.31 | schrankwand | hi, how can I copy and paste in xterm? |
| 19:39.31 | sepski | Paganist, the equivalent of fsck asking you a question is when microsofts scandisk erases a file from your harddrive and places the remains in a file with a number and a .chk extension, there is realy not much difference. |
| 19:39.49 | firepol | no. i jsut booted the livecd, and i mounted the partitino,i already did this for other things,t o fix when it was not bootable. the livecd is not aproblem. |
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| 19:40.08 | Althaser | Paganist yep it is |
| 19:40.12 | firepol | i think ill block the fsck. is it possible to REVERT the fsck correctinos i did till now? |
| 19:40.13 | Althaser | stew yep |
| 19:40.28 | firepol | ii jsut answered "Y" to the first 2 questions. |
| 19:40.30 | Solet | is there a way i can manually empty the printer job list via terminal? |
| 19:40.36 | david | I'm configurint my kernel right now. Do I need to enable any sound modules/options in order to rip cd's to mp3 (i.e. lame)? |
| 19:40.41 | Paganist | firepol: i don't think so |
| 19:40.50 | david | I'd prefer not to enable them |
| 19:40.53 | j_k | firepol: i suggest you stop here right now. |
| 19:40.54 | valdyn | Solet: lprm <job number> |
| 19:40.54 | Paganist | firepol: i hope you have a backup |
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| 19:41.10 | macbobby | hello |
| 19:41.10 | firepol | paganist, well if i had a backup i wouldnt be here... |
| 19:41.13 | j_k | firepol: your filesystem may still be alive, just not within the reduced partition. |
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| 19:41.23 | Paganist | firepol: i'll pray for you |
| 19:41.29 | macbobby | could you tell me how to open a ftp-server for other on my pc? |
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| 19:41.35 | j_k | firepol: if you clear the given blocks, they won't be referenced from inodes anymore |
| 19:41.35 | stew | Althaser: what version of debian? |
| 19:41.36 | Solet | valdyn: do job numbers just go 1,2,3 or do they have strange numbering methods like everything else? |
| 19:41.38 | firepol | i mean, is ext3 s stupid that if i resize the partition i lose all my filesystem? |
| 19:41.45 | Althaser | stew 3.1 sarge |
| 19:41.46 | j_k | firepol: and you can say a definitive goodbye to them. |
| 19:41.48 | valdyn | Solet: try lpq |
| 19:41.55 | firepol | oh no0..... |
| 19:41.57 | Paganist | firepol: resizing a partition without having a backup of it..... you really are looking for trouble... |
| 19:42.02 | mhall | firepol: uh, no. you were the one who screwed up. |
| 19:42.11 | firepol | paganist, thx now i know ;) |
| 19:42.17 | mhall | firepol: you cannot even tell us what resizing tool you used |
| 19:42.18 | Paganist | hehe |
| 19:42.20 | j_k | firepol: well, if you reduce your partition, your filesystem is missing a chunk of it. |
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| 19:42.31 | mhall | firepol: how in the world can we help without knowing that? |
| 19:42.32 | firepol | hopefully i dont have so imporant data... if i lose evrything itll be a good lesson and ill start from scracth again, not really a bad thing |
| 19:42.36 | j_k | firepol: I don't know how you'd like it to recover magically. |
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| 19:42.43 | Shakae | hi |
| 19:42.46 | j_k | firepol: you won't loose everything. |
| 19:42.53 | firepol | mghal, pls wait im checking what tool i used... |
| 19:43.00 | Shakae | What? |
| 19:43.07 | mhall | firepol: ffs, finally! |
| 19:43.10 | Shakae | is any one here |
| 19:43.12 | Shakae | is any here? |
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| 19:43.16 | stew | Althaser: do you have non-debian sources in your sources.list? what does apt-cache policy gaim say for candidate? |
| 19:43.18 | dondelelcaro | Shakae: no, no one is here. |
| 19:43.30 | Shakae | o? |
| 19:43.39 | Shakae | then what about you? |
| 19:43.47 | j_k | Shakae: about 800 people are here. |
| 19:43.47 | mhall | Shakae: dude quit scrolling or you will be banned |
| 19:43.54 | giupy | ahahah |
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| 19:44.46 | Solet | valdyn: ok i got them deleted... my printer still isnt working, i've installed cupsys and cupsys-bsd and set it up, the printer is an hp deskjet940c, i used the hp deskjet driver that cupsys gave me to select... but when i print it just sits there, the list says its 'printing' but stays at '0%' forever, the printer doesnt even twitch |
| 19:44.51 | Shakae | i'm from Shang hai China |
| 19:45.09 | j_k | Paganist: he did mention it was something under windows, which definitively won't resize and ext3 filesystem within a partition. |
| 19:45.15 | david | Solet: have you tried apsfilter? |
| 19:45.27 | bucky | Shakae, i live in a van down by the river |
| 19:45.29 | firepol | i used VCOM Partition Commander |
| 19:45.36 | firepol | http://www.v-com.com/product/Partition_Commander_Home.html |
| 19:45.40 | Shakae | van down? |
| 19:45.40 | Solet | david: having never heard of it i'd say 'no', what is it? |
| 19:45.44 | Shakae | what's that? |
| 19:45.44 | Paganist | hum |
| 19:45.48 | david | Solet: I've gotten my hpdeskjet 99O cxi running with apsfilter |
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| 19:45.55 | Althaser | stew non-debian sources i haven't |
| 19:45.58 | j_k | firepol: what did you do with it, exactly ? |
| 19:46.10 | Paganist | j_k: true... depending if they have their own ext3 drv |
| 19:46.20 | david | Solet: You know... I really don't know what exactly it is... I just know it's easy to configure and it works for me |
| 19:46.23 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 19:46.27 | Althaser | stew Candidate: 1:1.2.1-1 |
| 19:46.34 | firepol | it has a wizard, to move unused space from a partitino to another, i runned that wizard. the program told that the system may not be bootable again after it, in fact, its not bootable. the program told that i needed to boot with a floppy boot disk or cdboot disk. so i booted using my gentoo livecd. i mounted the parttino, and discovered all thr"nice" errors |
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| 19:46.41 | Paganist | They tell they resize linux partitions... |
| 19:46.41 | Solet | david do i just apt-get install apsfilter? or what do i do? |
| 19:46.51 | j_k | Paganist: the obviously don't, or firepol wouldn't be here :-| |
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| 19:47.00 | Paganist | firepol: you paid for this software ? |
| 19:47.13 | david | Solet: yeah.. if that doesn't work - apt-search cache apsfilter - and it'll show you what the package name is |
| 19:47.13 | Paganist | j_k: they apparently tell they do |
| 19:47.15 | mutante | how to find out if im "sid" or "sarge" on an unknown remote system? |
| 19:47.17 | firepol | no ;) |
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| 19:47.31 | sepski | mutante, check the source.list |
| 19:47.31 | j_k | Paganist: oh, do they? |
| 19:47.36 | Paganist | firepol: well.... buy it then tell you had a problem with it |
| 19:47.37 | firepol | i downloaded it from aMule. anyway we're not talking about this here. |
| 19:47.49 | mutante | sepski: vi /etc/apt/sources.list, yeah ,thanks |
| 19:47.50 | Paganist | j_k: yes, on the page firepol pointed to |
| 19:47.57 | jeangenet | I have a problem with the framebuffer console. Any apps that use it to display something, (i.e. mplayer, links2 -g, splashy) only display on a small portion of the screen, in the upper left hand corner. |
| 19:48.02 | Paganist | Safe resize, create, move & copy for Windows 95/98/Me/NT/2000/XP/2003, Linux and DOS partitions |
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| 19:48.06 | stew | Althaser: strange. just tried and it works here |
| 19:48.17 | Solet | david: did you use the standard cups driver or did you load your own that you found for your printer? |
| 19:48.23 | sepski | i guess they have to reprase that 'safe' bit then |
| 19:48.27 | firepol | i think the program simply resized the partitino, and moved it forward. so the hole was used to enlarge my windows partition. |
| 19:48.27 | Paganist | so under linux, if i use reiser, i should be able to safely resize.... |
| 19:48.33 | Paganist | Those guys are really lame |
| 19:48.51 | Althaser | stew what sources have you ? |
| 19:49.25 | bucky | parted can resize rieserfs but you got to know what your doing |
| 19:49.28 | firepol | i guess the program isnt so good. it worked 5 hours. it moved the parttion. anyway. now i think the problem is that the filesystem doesnt recognize anymore the directories and files. |
| 19:49.32 | Shakae | who are also under windows? |
| 19:49.44 | Paganist | ah, no, they finaly end up telling the partition types they support |
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| 19:49.59 | firepol | the data should be still there. isnt there a tool that can fix the partitino table? i have no diea how ext3 works... |
| 19:50.00 | bucky | firepol, when and if you moved partitions those changes must be written in fstab |
| 19:50.09 | stew | Althaser: just sarge + security |
| 19:50.25 | firepol | yes, but fstab isnt available from a livecd |
| 19:50.27 | firepol | i mean... |
| 19:50.28 | j_k | "The safest way to partition your hard drive", haha, good joke. |
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| 19:50.37 | j_k | mhh, bad joke even. |
| 19:50.42 | Althaser | stew could you tell me the mirror for security ? please |
| 19:50.54 | transgress | anyone here canadian? |
| 19:50.59 | firepol | if i do : mount /dev/hda3 it mounts it, but i cant see any folders or files. |
| 19:51.03 | jharrisonwk | hhmmmm |
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| 19:51.44 | j_k | firepol: there's nothing at all ? |
| 19:52.03 | stew | Althaser: deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main |
| 19:52.03 | david | you still there Solet? |
| 19:52.27 | Solet | yeah |
| 19:52.28 | stew | Althaser: paste your sources.list to #flood |
| 19:52.32 | Shakae | i know nothing about linux |
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| 19:52.34 | Shakae | nothing |
| 19:52.43 | david | Solet: I was away for a bit |
| 19:52.48 | Solet | i installed it but its not acting any different, did you use the cups driver or did you use your own |
| 19:52.48 | jharrisonwk | it seems as if the only problem is that on the mailman archives page for the mailing lists the "You can get more information about this list." link is broken and where it should say domain.com/mailman/listinfo/etc... it has domian.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/etc... |
| 19:52.57 | jharrisonwk | not sure how to fix it either |
| 19:52.58 | david | It's apt-cache search , I mean |
| 19:53.12 | firepol | if i do ls, yes, there is something, there is this error: EXT3-fs error ... ext3_readdir: bad entry in directory #2 rec_len % 4 !=0 - offset=0 ... |
| 19:53.17 | david | Solet: hmm... |
| 19:53.25 | Solet | david: its all installed and setup |
| 19:53.34 | david | Solet: I don't think I used cups.. I used hpijs I think |
| 19:53.36 | mhall | That partition company's site does not even have good grammar. I definitely wouldn't use it on a hard disk. |
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| 19:53.41 | WhiteRabbit | T-Minus 9 Days 9 hours 9 mins 9 secs |
| 19:53.44 | stew | jharrisonwk: why not just use an alias or w RewriteRule? |
| 19:53.44 | firepol | well i havent yet googled it, coz i was paniced |
| 19:53.57 | mhall | Let's see. |
| 19:54.00 | david | Solet: you ran apsfilterconfig? |
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| 19:54.10 | Shakae | 800+ online now why so few......speaking |
| 19:54.13 | Solet | david no not yet |
| 19:54.27 | Ronin | Shakae: times zones, bots, working , sleeping, etc etc |
| 19:54.34 | mhall | firepol: How much data will you lose if you just reformat? |
| 19:54.37 | WhiteRabbit | Shakae, idle worshippers |
| 19:54.42 | j_k | firepol: if desperate, you can always e2fsck -y, which will go ahead without prompting you, but I wouldn't expect good results. |
| 19:54.46 | Shakae | Ronin o~ |
| 19:54.47 | Shakae | i see |
| 19:54.48 | j_k | firepol: do a backup before. |
| 19:54.56 | david | Solet: Oh.. so I think apsfilterconfig needs to be run.. it will create a custom /etc/printcap for you |
| 19:55.02 | rob_lt | How would I go about customizing an environment for all newly created users? I was thinking of creating a user called "skel" and then making all the config changes I want with that user, then copying the contents of skel's home directory to /etc/skel/ |
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| 19:55.15 | valdyn | Solet: did you read /var/log/cups/error_log ? |
| 19:55.15 | firepol | i think a good thing to do would be to reverse the partition resize... |
| 19:55.15 | david | Shakae: what's ur question? |
| 19:55.18 | mhall | rob_lt: ok, about that |
| 19:55.30 | valdyn | Solet: pay particular attention to the lines with "HINT" |
| 19:55.32 | mhall | rob_lt: you just put the working files in skel with the right perms |
| 19:55.37 | jharrisonwk | stew: well I could I guess but the rest of the archives works |
| 19:55.40 | firepol | but i should reverse it to the exact blocks from before... but i have no partitino table backup, so i have no idea about the exact blocks it was before. |
| 19:55.41 | mhall | rob_lt: and adduser copies in the goodies |
| 19:55.43 | Shakae | david i would like to touch Debian |
| 19:55.43 | jharrisonwk | stew: just the one link does not work |
| 19:55.54 | Shakae | david but i don't know how to begin |
| 19:55.59 | mhall | rob_lt: but yeah you have to watch for finicky config files that hardcode their paths |
| 19:56.04 | mhall | rob_lt: like GNOME files |
| 19:56.18 | firepol | what a stupid mistake I did, anyway, im learning the lesson |
| 19:56.19 | david | I was in China once and I actually say a debian book in chinese... actually debian is supported in many languages |
| 19:56.28 | mhall | rob_lt: cause there is not anything which cleanly substitutes them with the right values |
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| 19:56.42 | Shakae | oh i've tried to install it |
| 19:56.42 | david | Shakae: do you run any kind of linux? |
| 19:56.49 | rob_lt | mhall: is there another preferred method? What if I want all new users to have the same desktop background, a custom set of icons on the desktop, etc. |
| 19:56.55 | Shakae | david yes debian sarge |
| 19:56.58 | Shakae | net install |
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| 19:57.22 | david | shakparl: so you already installed it and run it.. what else do you want to know? |
| 19:57.25 | Shakae | 2.4.x core don't support my ethernet card |
| 19:57.29 | david | Shakae: so you already installed it and run it.. what else do you want to know? |
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| 19:57.39 | Pupeno- | hello |
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| 19:57.51 | Shakae | 2.4.x don't support my ethernet on board |
| 19:57.55 | valdyn | Shakae: the sarge installer comes with a 2.6 kernel too |
| 19:57.56 | Shakae | i can't continue |
| 19:57.57 | Pupeno- | What's the name of the text-mode tool to configure what processes are started at boot time ? |
| 19:58.01 | david | Shakae: search it with google... this is what I always do |
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| 19:58.12 | sepski | Pupeno-, update-rc.d |
| 19:58.17 | Shakae | enter linux26 |
| 19:58.20 | Solet | apsfilter is confusing shit... i dont like it... |
| 19:58.30 | Shakae | but it said can't find the linux kernel |
| 19:58.31 | Solet | anyone know where i can find linux drivers for hp printers? |
| 19:58.38 | david | Solet: sorry... printing in linux is confusing to me period... |
| 19:58.40 | mhall | rob_lt: I have had this problem before. |
| 19:58.45 | valdyn | Solet: theyre all in debian |
| 19:58.47 | david | Solet: you know about hpijs? |
| 19:58.53 | mhall | rob_lt: When I had to run a programming contest. |
| 19:58.57 | streuner | Solet: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 19:58.58 | portahex | Shakae, what architecture are you trying to install? |
| 19:58.59 | Solet | valdyn: where |
| 19:59.13 | valdyn | Solet: apt-cache search "\-ppd" |
| 19:59.16 | david | Shakae: what kind of card is it? |
| 19:59.25 | Shakae | david Nforce 3 |
| 19:59.31 | mhall | rob_lt: And the rule was that you had to run GNOME, because there were several sitesand they wanted everything the same |
| 19:59.37 | Shakae | portahex what do you mean by architecture |
| 19:59.49 | Pupeno- | sepski: there's one that shows a text-mode menu, like the installer, do you know which one is it ? |
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| 19:59.53 | Shakae | david Nforce 3 250 onbard ethernet controller |
| 20:00.01 | Solet | valdyn: whats that that i'm looking for? |
| 20:00.06 | mhall | rob_lt: the only thing i could do was create one by hand that worked, and go and sub out all the file names and contents |
| 20:00.10 | portahex | Shakae, processor architecture. i386, m68k, s390, amd64, etc etc etc. what debian architecture |
| 20:00.16 | valdyn | Solet: foomatic-filters-ppds - linuxprinting.org printer support - prebuilt PPD files |
| 20:00.19 | Shakae | portahex o~ |
| 20:00.25 | rob_lt | mhall: so you used the /etc/skel method? |
| 20:00.25 | Shakae | portahex amd64 |
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| 20:00.40 | Shakae | portahex but i only installed i386 version |
| 20:00.40 | mhall | rob_lt: couldn't |
| 20:00.41 | tonsofpcs | will debian run on an Amiga 2500 [m68020]? |
| 20:00.50 | streuner | tonsofpcs: yes |
| 20:00.53 | mhall | rob_lt: it worked for some files, sure |
| 20:01.01 | portahex | Shakae, make up your fucking mind. are you installing debian for i386, or debian for amd64? |
| 20:01.01 | Solet | valdyn... i imagine that ppd's are drivers? |
| 20:01.01 | mhall | rob_lt: but not for ones with login names in them |
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| 20:01.16 | valdyn | Solet: in a way, yes |
| 20:01.17 | streuner | !ppd |
| 20:01.17 | dpkg | i heard ppd is postscript printer description. See http://www.linuxprinting.org, or the docs for lpr, lprng, pdq, cups, or whatever the hell printing system you use. |
| 20:01.19 | jlj_ | does anyone know if there is anything to do if lmsensors doesn't display sensor values correctly? it seems to initialize the it87 chipset correctly but most of the voltages are way off and there are no rpm readings |
| 20:01.23 | mhall | rob_lt: i had to go inside them with sed and stuff |
| 20:01.29 | mhall | rob_lt: it was really ugly |
| 20:01.40 | rob_lt | mhall: hrmmm.... well, that seems way too clunky. There must be a nice solution :) |
| 20:01.42 | mhall | rob_lt: i think kde files are better |
| 20:01.50 | Solet | wait... can images still be printed using postscript? |
| 20:02.07 | mhall | rob_lt: yeah it was clunky but the GNOME xml config files were so complex i could not use the other method they claimed to be less clunky |
| 20:02.16 | valdyn | Solet: sure |
| 20:02.19 | streuner | Solet: do you use an inkjet printer? |
| 20:02.32 | Shakae | portahex what about u? |
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| 20:02.35 | Pupeno- | What's the name of the menu-based-text-mode tool to configure what processes are started at boot time ? |
| 20:02.36 | Solet | streuner: yes its an hp deskjet 940c |
| 20:02.37 | mhall | rob_lt: you can create some xml config files and put them in certain special places and gnome will add them into the default config when it first runs |
| 20:02.37 | tonsofpcs | now a better question: can debian [on an Amiga 2500 (m68020)] install via a floppy disk with a null-modem connection to a file server? |
| 20:02.38 | valdyn | id bet you miss gs-esp |
| 20:02.43 | portahex | mhall, run gconf-editor? |
| 20:02.47 | mhall | rob_lt: but i do not know the details |
| 20:02.51 | streuner | Solet: so why the hell you didn't read the factoid? |
| 20:02.57 | mhall | rob_lt: what portahex said, i think that's how |
| 20:03.01 | valdyn | Solet: id bet you miss gs-esp, but id bet too that you didnt read /var/log/cups/error_log either |
| 20:03.02 | Solet | streuner i'm thee now |
| 20:03.16 | myren | how do i get dig to show me all the dns servers for a domain name |
| 20:03.23 | myren | mother @#$@#$# is only showing me my primary |
| 20:03.23 | Shakae | portahex |
| 20:03.28 | mhall | rob_lt: if you figure this out you seriously need to make a howto for admins |
| 20:03.30 | portahex | Shakae, i run amd64 debian on my office pc, i386 ubuntu on my laptop, i386 debian on my htpc, and will install amd64 debian on my home desktop |
| 20:03.50 | Shakae | portahex I have a AMD64 processor but |
| 20:03.52 | rob_lt | mhall: well, I'm no guru, so if nobody else has figured it out, I doubt I will ;) |
| 20:03.52 | firepol | google + chillout music... hope ill find some ppl that did the same mess i did... + some slution to fix it up |
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| 20:03.57 | rob_lt | mhall: thanks for your input. |
| 20:04.00 | Shakae | but i only install the i386 version |
| 20:04.01 | mhall | rob_lt: probably somebody did |
| 20:04.08 | Shakae | so simple |
| 20:04.08 | mhall | rob_lt: but at the time i was in a hurry |
| 20:04.13 | Solet | there arent any errors in the error_log... |
| 20:04.18 | mhall | rob_lt: so i had no time for research |
| 20:04.21 | Shakae | i don't know what are the differences |
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| 20:04.26 | mhall | rob_lt: it had to be kludged |
| 20:04.29 | mhall | rob_lt: FAST |
| 20:04.30 | firepol | thx for the help so far. it least the panic disappeared. |
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| 20:04.39 | Solet | job 5 queued, started 3 different filters, started a back end, then i canceled it cause it didnt do shit for 5 minutes |
| 20:04.48 | valdyn | Solet: grep HINT /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 20:04.54 | portahex | Shakae, then you did something wrong. sarge for i386 has forcedeth support for your network connection in its 2.6 kernel. and sarge always has a "linux26" option |
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| 20:05.24 | Solet | valdyn: did nothing |
| 20:05.37 | Shakae | portahex i think so,but when i entered linux26 it doesn't work |
| 20:05.49 | mhall | portahex: god i love the linux26 option |
| 20:06.07 | portahex | Shakae, then you did somethign wrong. what is the EXACT url to the thing you downloaded, and what does "doesn't work" mean? |
| 20:06.08 | mhall | portahex: one of my buddies here at work swore SuSE was the only dist that supported his box |
| 20:06.14 | valdyn | Solet: how did you try to print ( with/from which program ? ) |
| 20:06.19 | mhall | portahex: and of course it's SuSE so it's sucky |
| 20:06.30 | mhall | portahex: lo and behold, linux26 fixed it up |
| 20:06.31 | Shakae | portahex it gives me some error messages |
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| 20:06.41 | portahex | mhall, sounds like my place actually |
| 20:06.42 | Solet | valdyn: right now i'm just trying to print a test page from the 'printers' program in my desktop utilities |
| 20:06.52 | mhall | portahex: and thanks to apt.conf we rerouted his package upgrade requests around the company proxy |
| 20:06.55 | Shakae | portahex like to say that it can't find the file of kernel 26 |
| 20:07.13 | portahex | Shakae, then answer the first question. what is the url you downloaded? |
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| 20:07.23 | gtigene | My rpc server is refusing connections, even with all the lines in hosts.deny commented out. What could be the problem or where can I read about rpc? |
| 20:07.37 | Shakae | debian.cn99.com it's a mirror in China |
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| 20:08.14 | Shakae | portahex and i have't got a CDR know because it's dawn now ..... |
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| 20:08.26 | wrtpeeps | hi |
| 20:08.27 | valdyn | Solet: what port is that printer connected to? |
| 20:08.44 | wrtpeeps | is only disc 1 required to install debian? |
| 20:08.52 | portahex | Shakae, if you can't answer simple questions, you can't be given technical support. basically. |
| 20:08.54 | portahex | wrtpeeps, yes. |
| 20:08.57 | portahex | !d-i wrtpeeps |
| 20:08.58 | dpkg | wrtpeeps, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:08.59 | pureone | yes the netinstall disk |
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| 20:09.32 | Shakae | portahex maybe it is hard to communicate |
| 20:09.39 | Shakae | portahex for my english is poor |
| 20:09.42 | mhall | portahex: i believe it's more of an english issue than a can't answer issue |
| 20:09.57 | mhall | portahex: can we point him at a chinese channel |
| 20:09.58 | portahex | how is this hard? "URL OF FILE YOU BURNT TO CD" |
| 20:10.02 | Shakae | mhall perhaps you're right |
| 20:10.14 | portahex | !cn |
| 20:10.14 | dpkg | methinks cn is China |
| 20:10.16 | portahex | hmph |
| 20:10.18 | Shakae | portahex it is something else |
| 20:10.22 | mhall | Shakae: we are trying to help |
| 20:10.30 | mhall | Shakae: just give us a few minutes |
| 20:10.33 | Shakae | thank you ~ |
| 20:10.37 | Solet | valdyn: onboard parallel (lpt1 in windows) |
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| 20:10.51 | astronut | any way to see how many packages are in sid? |
| 20:10.57 | valdyn | Solet: dmesg | grep lp0 |
| 20:11.00 | portahex | apt-cache stats, i think |
| 20:11.04 | Shakae | portahex the problem about CDR is something not important |
| 20:11.12 | portahex | god i fucking GIVE UP |
| 20:11.19 | Solet | valdyn: nothing |
| 20:11.36 | dondelelcaro | portahex: just use /ignore if you're having a problem |
| 20:11.57 | valdyn | Solet: lsmod | grep lp |
| 20:12.10 | mhall | Shakae: do you use GB or BIG5 |
| 20:12.19 | Shakae | mhall GB |
| 20:12.21 | portahex | i don't mind giving up my free time to give free tech support. i really don't. but when people seem to set out to be obtuse and repeatedly work as agents of their own destruction, i get frustrated |
| 20:12.22 | mhall | Shakae: ok |
| 20:12.39 | mhall | Shakae: post on this mailing list http://lists.debian.org/debian-chinese-gb/ |
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| 20:12.47 | mhall | Shakae: they can help you in chinese or in english |
| 20:12.49 | Shakae | mhall ok~ i will |
| 20:12.56 | mhall | Shakae: and they should be able to understand you better than us |
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| 20:13.05 | mhall | Shakae: because we do not speak chinese |
| 20:13.06 | portahex | but since he refuses to say what file he downloaded, no way to say \o/ o// \\o |
| 20:13.09 | glick_ | hey has anyone here used crossover? |
| 20:13.12 | mhall | Shakae: i'm sorry i cannot help more |
| 20:13.14 | glick_ | to run msoffice? |
| 20:13.21 | Solet-deb | lp 11176 0 |
| 20:13.23 | Solet-deb | parport 41800 2 lp,parport_pc |
| 20:13.23 | mhall | portahex: i think he would if he know a little more |
| 20:13.24 | Shakae | portahex if u are bussy i think i should say sorry |
| 20:13.36 | portahex | i'm not busy, i'm easily annoyed |
| 20:13.53 | portahex | meh, i'm off |
| 20:14.15 | Shakae | mhall it's a pity~~ |
| 20:14.29 | gtigene | Besides hosts.deny, what could be causing my rpc service to refuse connections? |
| 20:14.37 | Shakae | mhall no need sorry,I'm a beginner in IRC as well as in Linux |
| 20:14.50 | valdyn | Solet: "cat /dev/hda > /dev/lp0" to see if your h/w is working. That will print just garbage. ctrl-c to abort and swith off and on your printer to stop. |
| 20:14.56 | Shakae | mhall of course,My English needs improving. |
| 20:15.09 | valdyn | Solet: i have to go now though.. good luck. |
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| 20:15.23 | mhall | Shakae: that list will be able to help you better, i think |
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| 20:15.50 | Shakae | mhall i think so |
| 20:16.22 | cmatei | gtigene: not having portmap started, having a firewall that drops port 110, etc... |
| 20:16.30 | Shakae | !cn |
| 20:16.30 | dpkg | cn is probably China |
| 20:16.36 | Solet | holy crap it moved... my printer moved |
| 20:16.42 | astronut | canada? |
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| 20:16.49 | astronut | .cn is canada |
| 20:16.53 | astronut | china is .ch i think |
| 20:16.53 | L00thar | astronut: Canada is ca |
| 20:16.55 | astronut | oh |
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| 20:17.01 | astronut | ya, you're right |
| 20:17.05 | L00thar | cn is China |
| 20:17.16 | myren | what port are DNS queries run on? |
| 20:17.18 | L00thar | ch is Czech Republic. |
| 20:17.25 | ApEtc | myren: 53 |
| 20:17.42 | L00thar | space cadets... |
| 20:17.43 | gtigene | cmatei: portmap is running, I will try to figure out the firewall question, I get iptables errors when I boot up but I didn't ever try to set up firewall. |
| 20:17.45 | L00thar | ;> |
| 20:17.45 | cmatei | heh, that's cz, ch is switzerland :) |
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| 20:18.09 | glick_ | god ima have to get a windows box to play civ4 |
| 20:18.35 | gtigene | cmatei, can you think of any other possible causes? |
| 20:18.35 | cmatei | gtigene: you probably have ipchains, then. |
| 20:19.14 | L00thar | DNS reminds me: which DNS cache package is best for home use? |
| 20:19.22 | mhall | L00thar: no it's not |
| 20:19.34 | mhall | !troutslap L00thar |
| 20:19.44 | L00thar | I got the message |
| 20:19.52 | cmatei | gtigene: no, not really |
| 20:20.05 | gtigene | cmatei: OK thank you. |
| 20:20.45 | Solet | umm... .ca is canada not cn... |
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| 20:21.22 | L00thar | Time to ask again: I suppose there is no particular switch in 'find' which has it pass on only the first instance of something it finds, say to '-exec' ..? |
| 20:21.28 | Solet | how do you un 'su' yourself? |
| 20:21.41 | JoshH | exit |
| 20:21.54 | L00thar | Solet: su loser? |
| 20:22.01 | L00thar | I mean user? |
| 20:22.14 | Spec | un su yourself? |
| 20:22.27 | Solet | thanks, and how do i verify what user i am... its 'something' -u but i cant remember what... |
| 20:22.31 | JoshH | whoami |
| 20:22.34 | L00thar | ya |
| 20:22.35 | Spec | whoami |
| 20:22.38 | Solet | version or something... |
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| 20:22.54 | Spec | err, type whoami, it'll tell you who you are [gasping noises needed] |
| 20:23.00 | Solet | but there's another one... it will do kernel versions current user, other things.. |
| 20:23.06 | Spec | uname -a ? |
| 20:23.11 | Spec | won't tell you who you are though |
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| 20:23.46 | Spec | you could also do: echo $USER |
| 20:23.53 | Solet | oh uname was what i was thinking of... but i guess it doesnt tell you who you are... |
| 20:24.01 | virgomoon | Is there a 'standard' time when the weekly updates are put up for the testing distro or is it more of an 'ongoing' thing. |
| 20:24.10 | Spec | hugo: are you Hugo R.? |
| 20:24.22 | L00thar | or 'printenv USER' |
| 20:24.24 | hugo | no, who is that? |
| 20:24.39 | Spec | a guy who programmed mondo |
| 20:24.59 | L00thar | No, he's Hugo Chávez. |
| 20:25.27 | cmatei | $USER will not necessarily be set when you have su-ed yourself |
| 20:25.41 | L00thar | good point |
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| 20:25.59 | Spec | ah, true |
| 20:26.02 | Spec | but whoami will still work :p |
| 20:26.16 | Spec | pwd needs an alias for whereami |
| 20:26.28 | Spec | and uname needs an alias for whatami |
| 20:26.29 | L00thar | you always run a process and check who owns it... ;P |
| 20:26.35 | L00thar | could |
| 20:26.53 | hugo | does anybody know how the module driver for intel e pro/100 is called in freebsd? |
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| 20:27.18 | Spec | ps aux |grep ps | awk {'print $1'}|sort -u |
| 20:27.31 | Spec | #debian != #freebsd |
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| 20:29.20 | Xenguy | Spec: thank you (though I wish I could convince the freeks in my LUG of that :P ) |
| 20:29.52 | Xenguy | !gnu |
| 20:29.52 | dpkg | from memory, gnu is a recursive acronym which stands for GNU's Not UNIX. The GNU project is dedicated to the creation of a 100% Free Software Operating System. |
| 20:30.49 | cmatei | Spec: ps u -p $$ |
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| 20:31.56 | DexterF | hi |
| 20:32.00 | L00thar | You know, all these little dpkg nuggets should at the very least have at least one URL for further investigation by the recipient. |
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| 20:32.55 | glick_ | hey how much do you guys think a decent windows gaming machine would cost me? |
| 20:33.06 | L00thar | troll alert... |
| 20:33.11 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 20:33.19 | sepski | glick_, you havent seen the promo video for PS3 i assume :P |
| 20:33.35 | glick_ | sepski: i dont want a console |
| 20:33.48 | glick_ | i want a pc for games like battlefield, and civ4 |
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| 20:34.15 | sepski | glick, atlest we'r both just as off topic then :P |
| 20:34.26 | Solet | if valdyn comes back can some one let him know that i got my printer working and that he kicks ass... |
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| 20:34.45 | DexterF | when kopete had the icq5-bug in kde-3.3.2 debian had a patch for that - was the patch for kopete itself or some other code kopete depends on? |
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| 20:35.11 | DexterF | glick: about 800 Euro |
| 20:35.28 | glick_ | DexterF: 800 Euro? |
| 20:35.33 | glick_ | about how much is that in dollars? |
| 20:35.41 | DexterF | around 900-1000 |
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| 20:36.12 | DexterF | actually some more, but i noticed hardware's cheaper in US |
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| 20:37.45 | glick_ | any recommendataions as to what kina cpu/mb i should buy for a nice gaming machine? |
| 20:37.56 | glick_ | should i go 64 bit or save mony and go 32 bit? |
| 20:38.08 | glick_ | this will obviously be a winXP machine just for games |
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| 20:39.20 | firepol | j_k, check the #flood channel |
| 20:40.19 | DexterF | glick: wrong channel/network... but go 64bit, the new amd cpus are better in power consumption and reliability |
| 20:40.20 | DexterF | gtg |
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| 20:44.13 | myren | is DNS tcp or udp? |
| 20:44.31 | cmatei | both |
| 20:44.32 | gtigene | How can I tell if I have a firewall that blocks port 110? |
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| 20:44.50 | cmatei | gtigene: sorry, it was 111, 110 is pop3... |
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| 20:45.05 | gtigene | cmatei, thank you |
| 20:45.30 | cmatei | try telnet localhost 111, see what happens |
| 20:45.31 | gtigene | ipchains doesnt seem to be installed and iptables -F just gives an error message. |
| 20:45.34 | genix_ | Which date will Sarget become stable? |
| 20:45.53 | streuner | genix_: wir |
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| 20:48.12 | WhiteRabbit | genix_, mer days?! |
| 20:48.53 | glick_ | anyone nkow of a good place where i can get reviews on hardware? |
| 20:50.00 | glick_ | i have no idea what i should get |
| 20:50.01 | WhiteRabbit | http://www.linuxhardware.org/ |
| 20:50.12 | glick_ | WhiteRabbit: this will be a windows only gaming machine |
| 20:50.47 | WhiteRabbit | http://www.tomshardware.com |
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| 20:51.34 | glick_ | any recommendations as to what to get? |
| 20:51.38 | glick_ | i dont need the very latest |
| 20:51.44 | Xinux | wordf |
| 20:51.45 | glick_ | but like decent to play a few games well |
| 20:51.57 | WhiteRabbit | glick, how much money do you have to spend |
| 20:52.08 | nic | hey guys. I have a dvorak keyboard and have set my default to dvorak successfully once I log in. however the login screen still uses a standard qwerty layout. how can I change the layout at the login screen? |
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| 20:52.31 | grigora | we are trying to run pvcreate and getting "Found duplicate PV xxx, using /dev/sdd not /dev/sdc" anyone knows what's causing this? TIA |
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| 20:55.49 | Ronin | Eclipser: waste of an email :) |
| 20:55.56 | Eclipser | Ronin, I'm bored... :< |
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| 20:56.04 | Ronin | heh |
| 20:56.22 | Eclipser | http://eclipser.no-ip.org/~eclipser/oerr.txt :) |
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| 20:57.04 | rj` | does anyone know what ports it takes to run nis -- what port does ypbind run on? |
| 20:57.20 | deadcat | rj`: rpcinfo |
| 20:57.53 | rj` | deadcat: i dont know how to use that command. |
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| 20:58.06 | rj` | rpcinfo -p localhost |
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| 20:58.25 | Eclipser | there appears to be three url loggers on this channel... |
| 20:58.44 | mono_ | does anyone know what does this error mean ? - Unable to get canonical name of client? |
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| 20:59.37 | dataw0lf|w | mono_: DNS / hosts problem. |
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| 21:00.15 | mono_ | dataw0lf|w, one which end? how do i resolve that error? |
| 21:00.22 | bucky | mono_ cat /etc/resolv.conf is there anything in there? |
| 21:00.24 | jasoncohen | awesome! |
| 21:00.42 | jasoncohen | i compiled mplayerplug-in 2.8.0 from source and now i have full controls |
| 21:00.53 | stew | !win jasoncohen |
| 21:00.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, jasoncohen! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 21:01.01 | mono_ | dataw0lf|w, is that just an error or a warning? |
| 21:01.02 | jasoncohen | i can save the quicktime/mpeg file and use fullscreen video |
| 21:01.15 | jasoncohen | i highly recommend checking it out. it's far superior to debian's mozilla-mplayer |
| 21:01.28 | dataw0lf|w | mono_: you're not even telling me in what context you're getting it. |
| 21:01.32 | dataw0lf|w | try again. |
| 21:04.16 | mono_ | dataw0lf|w, i am watching my logs /var/log/mail.log - when a user on the macine is trying to pop (using qpopper) i get that msg - |
| 21:04.19 | mono_ | Unable to get canonical name of client 192.168.16.25: Name or service not known (-2) [pop_init.c:1196] |
| 21:04.56 | mono_ | dataw0lf|w, i am also using postfix |
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| 21:05.23 | dataw0lf|w | mono_: add it to /etc/hosts |
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| 21:05.43 | dataw0lf|w | mono_: serving it off DNS, I assume? |
| 21:05.56 | dataw0lf|w | probably a reverse map missing in your BIND server. |
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| 21:06.27 | dataw0lf|w | /etc/hosts will fix it temporarily. |
| 21:06.36 | dataw0lf|w | but I'd look into getting the BIND server fixed. |
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| 21:07.02 | mono_ | dataw0lf|w, my dns server is located on a different server |
| 21:07.25 | mono_ | dataw0lf|w, what do you recommend for me to do on /etc/hosts? |
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| 21:10.05 | kados | anyone have any software suggestions for organizing IRC meetings with folks from all around the world -- I've just been named RM for a project and I'd like to set up a system where folks can vote on times to meet for our organizational meetings ... any suggestions? |
| 21:10.19 | kados | kinda like a free version of meetup.com |
| 21:10.45 | Eclipser | hmm... I need to make up something which would add an IP to iptables DROP list after few consecutive unsuccessful login attempts |
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| 21:11.33 | cahoot | Eclipser: target for the ssh worm? |
| 21:12.15 | Eclipser | cahoot, someone tried to login n+1 times on my computer, so I guess yes |
| 21:12.48 | Eclipser | with about 3 second login intervals |
| 21:12.57 | simonrvn | root: do /msg dpkg root - you might be amused by it, since you're doing the root/UdontKnow thing |
| 21:13.07 | root | heh |
| 21:13.08 | cahoot | Eclipser: there's a couple of threads on debian.user mailing list on the subject with some suggestions |
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| 21:13.17 | Eclipser | cool |
| 21:13.20 | Eclipser | I'll check it out |
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| 21:13.45 | root | simonrvn: <*dpkg> It has been said that root is the administrative account |
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| 21:13.49 | root | simonrvn: and indeed it is |
| 21:14.01 | root | simonrvn: its got an oline :P |
| 21:14.15 | simonrvn | root: thought you'd like it :). oh, haha ;) |
| 21:14.34 | root | haha |
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| 21:18.27 | simonrvn | @test |
| 21:18.29 | ravenbird | simonrvn: grrr, what do *you* want? |
| 21:18.38 | simonrvn | @literal test |
| 21:18.39 | ravenbird | "test" is "<reply> (Yes, $who, you're still online.|No, $who, you're not online any more.|$who: grrr, what do *you* want?)" |
| 21:18.46 | glick | anyone here play civ3? |
| 21:18.59 | simonrvn | @factinfo test |
| 21:18.59 | ravenbird | test -- created by greycat <wooledg@imadev.eeg.ccf.org> at Thu Sep 6 19:04:10 2001 (1352 days); last modified at Fri Dec 20 04:29:04 2002 by Penix!~eggdrop@dialup-143.223.220.203.acc01-gord-pmq.comindico.com.au; it has been requested 262 times, last by simonrvn, 31s ago. |
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| 21:19.28 | RichiH | glick: you could try #freeciv |
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| 21:19.53 | glick | RichiH, freeciv sucks im sorry to say |
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| 21:20.23 | xiptos | Hi all! I'm used to dselect but now I decided to give aptitude a try. Any good pointers for starters? |
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| 21:20.46 | RichiH | glick: well, that's the only thing we have that even closely resembles that closed source app ;) |
| 21:21.14 | glick | RichiH, regardless it sucks ass, and ill happily pay for civ4 and a copy of XP to play it |
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| 21:21.35 | doowy | 4~5~4~ |
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| 21:22.01 | RichiH | glick: you are free to do so |
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| 21:23.01 | fdv | Hi, does anybody know what's needed to make termcap capabilities work fully? |
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| 21:23.40 | fdv | tput up, for instance, does not work in xterm, though afaics, all related packages are installed |
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| 21:24.15 | Cope | How do I disable password authentication in sshd? I thought I needed to add PasswordAuthentication no to the config, and restart ssh. I did... but I am still able to authenticate with a password. |
| 21:24.26 | myren | what does the IN NS line mean in Bind? |
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| 21:25.04 | PerfDave | Cope: I think you need to update it in /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 21:25.19 | Cope | PerfDave: ok - will look and read |
| 21:25.28 | PerfDave | Cope: Try dpkg-reconfigure -plow ssh |
| 21:25.42 | sinner | would it kill my sarge system if i search and replaced all the uids and gids on all the files with those corresponding with a woody system then swapped the /etc/passwd files? |
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| 21:26.01 | PerfDave | sinner: Why would you want to do this? |
| 21:26.10 | whm | try webmin-ssh to config it |
| 21:26.17 | PerfDave | !webmin |
| 21:26.17 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 21:26.23 | glick | anyone here ever use Qingy? |
| 21:26.48 | PerfDave | sinner: If you make sure nobody other than root is running processes, you should be OK. |
| 21:26.55 | sinner | PerfDave, because this system is going into a nfs network and there are scripts running to merge passwd files on machines and certain system accounts must be the same |
| 21:27.09 | cahoot | Cope: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00689.html |
| 21:27.33 | sinner | I just want to make sure after its done apt wont shit a brick because stuff its no long uid 7 or something... |
| 21:27.46 | sinner | eh -stuff |
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| 21:28.00 | cafuego | myren: IN NS is used to list nameservers |
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| 21:28.41 | PerfDave | sinner: It shouldn't do. |
| 21:29.12 | PerfDave | sinner: Although if it's two Debian systems, the system accounts should mostly have the same UIDs. |
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| 21:29.32 | KirbyMeister | freaking CRAP |
| 21:29.38 | KirbyMeister | i confused RM and MV |
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| 21:29.47 | PerfDave | sinner: What bits are you NFS mounting? You might want to leave the system accounts alone and just synchronise the user accounts. |
| 21:29.55 | PerfDave | sinner: Or you could use a UID map and not have to change anything :) |
| 21:29.56 | sinner | no one is sarge one is woody. on one the uid for bin is 1 and daemon is 2, the other has daemon 1 and bin 2 etc... |
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| 21:30.00 | KirbyMeister | and lost a bunch of files that I only have |
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| 21:30.22 | KirbyMeister | i'm going to guess that RM is permenant |
| 21:30.33 | KirbyMeister | so... is there any way to keep me from using it? |
| 21:30.36 | sinner | PerfDave, its really a hack of a network setup that a previous technician made. and I have to conform to it |
| 21:30.39 | PerfDave | KirbyMeister: Nah, you can restore from the backups you take as a conscientious user ;) |
| 21:30.46 | idnar | 23:30:02 < KirbyMeister> and lost a bunch of files that I only have |
| 21:30.48 | idnar | er, oops |
| 21:30.53 | PerfDave | sinner: A UID map would save you having to do anything :) |
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| 21:31.09 | Cope | cahoot: interesting. |
| 21:31.12 | idnar | KirbyMeister: you could alias rm to rm -i, I suppose |
| 21:31.12 | KirbyMeister | PerfDave: problem is, I didnt make a backup because it wouldnt fill a CD |
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| 21:31.24 | PerfDave | KirbyMeister: That's a silly reason not to make a backup |
| 21:31.41 | cahoot | Cope: just stumbled upon it |
| 21:31.46 | KirbyMeister | i'm trying to see if i can ban myself from RM |
| 21:31.58 | KirbyMeister | since there is no way to recover this |
| 21:32.06 | PerfDave | Just stick "alias rm='rm -i'" in your .bashrc |
| 21:32.31 | KirbyMeister | you mean "alias rm='/bin/false'"? |
| 21:32.31 | PerfDave | Or "alias rm='echo You are too stupid to use rm'" |
| 21:32.54 | PerfDave | rm -i should avoid most mistakes :) |
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| 21:33.16 | sinner | PerfDave, they have a script that runs through NFS that merges new accounts made on machines $A $B and $C altogether and then writes it to all machines, it does not exlude UID < 500 or anything like that so i dont want it to run and then my system accounts all die. |
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| 21:34.09 | myren | what do i need to get "authority" for my DNS server? my secondary dns server isn't property authorized according to dig |
| 21:34.17 | myren | and its hardcore fucking up my mail system with my #$@#$ school |
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| 21:34.49 | KirbyMeister | good |
| 21:34.52 | KirbyMeister | now I can no longer RM |
| 21:35.05 | Cope | cahoot: yeah; setting UsePAM to no did the trick; I now have key-based authentication only, which is great. |
| 21:35.08 | seldon | Until you do unalias rm, of course. |
| 21:35.22 | KirbyMeister | why the f*** whould I do that? |
| 21:35.29 | seldon | beats me |
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| 21:36.13 | PerfDave | Why the f*** would you confuse rm and mv in the first place? ;p |
| 21:36.14 | seldon | If it's about self-restriction, that will work fine, but if you really want to keep users from deleting stuff, you'll have to adjust the permissions on /bin/rm |
| 21:36.21 | KirbyMeister | it's self-restriction |
| 21:36.32 | KirbyMeister | since I just deleted the .svg files to all my webcomics |
| 21:36.45 | KirbyMeister | and as far as I know, there's no way to undelete from an ReiserFS |
| 21:36.57 | seldon | Thought so. Plus, the permission thing will also only work until someone writes his own rm program |
| 21:37.18 | seldon | reiserfsck --rebuild-tree sometimes recovers stuff, but it's unreliable |
| 21:37.48 | KirbyMeister | I can --rebuild-tree |
| 21:37.56 | EvilSporkMan | KirbyMeister: there are scripts replacing rm that implement undelete - the book Wicked Cool Shell Scripts had one, I'm pretty sure |
| 21:37.58 | KirbyMeister | if it crashes, i only lose my /home (which I will backup) |
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| 21:46.42 | mikeX | gre |
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| 21:48.28 | myren | my secondary dns isnt getting Authorized according to dig, |
| 21:48.46 | myren | but it looks ok to me. i really cant figure out whats wrong, or where to figure out why its not getting authorized |
| 21:49.14 | myren | its gota IN NS, for forwards and backwards resolving |
| 21:49.15 | DoktorTomoe | where does apache tell you *why* it fails to start? |
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| 21:50.38 | wrtpeeps | anyone want to give a total n00b some help? |
| 21:50.46 | MidgetWork | don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 21:50.49 | seldon | DoktorTomoe: Probably /var/log/messages, /var/log/daemon.log or /var/log/syslog. It may also have its own logfiles in /var/log, if so, they should be easy to identify. |
| 21:51.08 | wrtpeeps | MidgetWork: hehe, well, basically i need lots of install help |
| 21:51.39 | seldon | Well, then ask when problems arise. That way, your questions can actually be answered. |
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| 21:52.47 | MidgetWork | hey guys, I have a dvorak keyboard and have set my default to dvorak successfully once I log in. however the login screen still uses a standard qwerty layout. how can I change the layout at the login screen? |
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| 21:54.02 | simonrvn | MidgetWork: login screen where? console, x? |
| 21:54.29 | Wowzer | is phpmyadmin broken with current sarge's apache2? |
| 21:54.43 | simonrvn | BTS |
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| 21:55.00 | MidgetWork | simonrvn: X |
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| 21:55.31 | simonrvn | reconfig x so it uses the dvorak layout you want |
| 21:55.32 | MidgetWork | simonrvn: though I am also curious how to change my keyboard layout in console also, but I haven't really looked into that yet |
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| 21:55.51 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 21:56.01 | myren | ugg, i realyl dont know how to set up bind. |
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| 21:56.17 | myren | I lack a class B network to myself |
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| 21:56.44 | myren | it makes figuring out the SOA rather difficult. all the docs assume you're trying to setup DNS for a subnet, not a couple random IP addresses |
| 21:57.27 | cafuego | myren: Eh? |
| 21:57.48 | cafuego | myren: I'll paste you a real zone header |
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| 21:58.49 | MidgetWork | simonrvn: what's the package to reconfigure xserver again? I thought it was xfree86-xserver but apparently not |
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| 21:59.13 | solarwinds | Hi all, When the new version of Debian ??? |
| 21:59.19 | drac | !drxx MidgetWork |
| 21:59.20 | dpkg | MidgetWork: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 21:59.24 | stew | solarwinds: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 21:59.27 | simonrvn | MidgetWork: flip the words |
| 21:59.31 | toukitsune | Is there a browser for linux that will work on websites that are made for IE only that has ssl support? |
| 21:59.34 | cafuego | myren: There you go. |
| 21:59.35 | MidgetWork | ahh, thanks |
| 21:59.37 | cafuego | myren: add names/IPs down the bottom as shows in warez |
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| 22:00.00 | toukitsune | I need to sign onto my bank account but it wont let me with firefox |
| 22:00.06 | cafuego | toukitsune: IE only, as in using activex crap? no. |
| 22:00.11 | myren | can i get a reverse as well? |
| 22:00.16 | myren | the reverse is massacring me |
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| 22:00.30 | cafuego | myren: You can't do reverse for ranom IPs. You need to be authorative for the netblock. |
| 22:00.37 | simonrvn | toukitsune: install the user agent extension, and set it to some M$hitIE UA |
| 22:00.37 | toukitsune | cafuego: I think its javascript problems. I get lots of javascript errors |
| 22:01.04 | toukitsune | simonrvn: user agent extension? |
| 22:01.06 | simonrvn | toukitsune: the JS is probably looking for variants of IE and/or nutscrape |
| 22:01.09 | cafuego | myren: Are you the authoritive dns for the netblock? |
| 22:01.17 | myren | no. |
| 22:01.21 | simonrvn | toukitsune: see the firefox extensions site |
| 22:01.25 | cafuego | myren: Then don't bother |
| 22:01.31 | myren | ah, ok |
| 22:01.40 | stew | myren: type whois 1.2.3.4 for the ip address, whoever comes up in that query is who you need to talk to |
| 22:01.48 | cafuego | myren: You'd need to set up a zone for each subnet that each IP is in and even then it'd ONLY work for you. |
| 22:02.19 | simonrvn | what? |
| 22:02.29 | cafuego | simonrvn: You got yourself auto-ignored! |
| 22:02.41 | myren | i dont understand how the MX record works |
| 22:02.47 | myren | i've read the doc's like 30 times, it just isnt making sense |
| 22:02.50 | simonrvn | cafuego: eh? |
| 22:02.54 | cafuego | myren: IN MX 10 mail.server.com |
| 22:03.06 | myren | prefixed by what? |
| 22:03.07 | cafuego | simonrvn: my irssi autoignores people that get kicked by debhelper |
| 22:03.17 | cafuego | myren: prefixed by a tab |
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| 22:03.20 | simonrvn | oh |
| 22:03.22 | cafuego | myren: see my paste |
| 22:03.28 | MidgetWork | thanks simonrvn |
| 22:03.48 | myren | isnt there an IP address or hostname at the beginning? |
| 22:03.53 | cafuego | myren: No |
| 22:04.21 | cafuego | myren: Just leave blank, that way the domain.com header (see at start of SOA line?) applies. |
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| 22:06.04 | myren | cafuego: im still getting a: 451 4.1.8 Domain of sender address matt@alienintels.com does not resolve |
| 22:06.16 | myren | from the mail server i'm trying to deliver to |
| 22:07.00 | cafuego | myren: There does indeed not appear to be an MX record |
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| 22:07.15 | Vlat- | hello there |
| 22:07.29 | myren | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:07.39 | coll | j_k: well still no luck with runing /etc/ppp/ip-up.d when ppp0 goes up |
| 22:07.46 | cafuego | myren: Did you increase the serial number and force bind to refresh the zone? |
| 22:08.01 | myren | fsck, no, of course not. |
| 22:08.06 | cafuego | !lart myren |
| 22:08.14 | Vlat- | Linux rulez! %0 |
| 22:08.14 | Vlat- | ) |
| 22:08.15 | coll | if im doing /etc/ppp/ip-up im getting: run-parts: component /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/01rcfirewall is not an executable plain file |
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| 22:08.21 | coll | whats up with that? |
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| 22:08.51 | cafuego | myren: After each change, increase the serial by one (mine is based on YYYYMMDDNN) and run 'rndc reload'. |
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| 22:09.29 | myren | cafuego: how did you lookup the MX record? |
| 22:09.33 | myren | its still not registering |
| 22:09.33 | seldon | coll: Well, my guess is that /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/01rcfirewall is not executable... |
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| 22:09.39 | cafuego | myren: 'host -t mx domain' |
| 22:09.52 | coll | weird because it was before |
| 22:10.01 | coll | ill check again seldon thaks |
| 22:10.25 | cafuego | myren: Check syslog for any errors. |
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| 22:11.00 | myren | bind isnt giving me any errors |
| 22:11.08 | myren | that MX line is there, just like i pasted |
| 22:11.10 | gnomon | question: I'm having an issue where, after disconnecting a particular USB device, I can't connect any new ones, and 'cat /proc/bus/usb/devices' never completes and cannot be killed. Someone made mention of this same problem on debian-kernel in March, but I haven't been able to find any more information about what the problem is, let alone how to fix it. |
| 22:11.21 | simonrvn | that oana that just joined/parted, i know IRL, and she left :( |
| 22:11.22 | myren | mail.alienintels.com CNAME's to alienintels.com |
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| 22:11.35 | simonrvn | haven't seen her in months |
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| 22:11.39 | sobersabre | guys... how can i read mht file ? |
| 22:11.54 | simonrvn | she's up north, in yellowknife it seems |
| 22:12.10 | jasoncohen | anyone know why mplayer-plugin would use white rather than black to fill in space when playing fullscreen widescreen videos |
| 22:12.22 | stew | myren: http://dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=alienintels.com |
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| 22:13.06 | cafuego | myren: Ideally an MX record points at an A record, not a CNAME. |
| 22:13.11 | seldon | sobersabre: MHT is this weird MS HTML derivation, right? |
| 22:13.29 | seldon | I'd try a web browser. |
| 22:13.32 | sobersabre | seldon, i think so... is there a way to read/write them with Linux ? |
| 22:13.33 | gtigene | My box is refusing connections on port 111. Could this be an iptables problem? |
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| 22:14.00 | sobersabre | gtigene, it could ... but i believe it is simply not running a portmapper |
| 22:14.04 | cire | A friend told me, there were cd writers which are able to burn engravings onto CDRs. I know there are such which can do this on the side which usually contains the data. But are there writers who can engrave sth on the other side? (I hope you understand this question). |
| 22:14.21 | seldon | Beats me, I've never seen anyone actually using them. As I said, I'd try a web browser, look what firefox makes of it. |
| 22:14.34 | gtigene | sobersabre: rpcinfo -p shows portmapper and the nfs services |
| 22:14.36 | seldon | Possibly konqueror can handle them. |
| 22:14.38 | gnomon | cire, the word you're looking for is "lightscribe". |
| 22:14.50 | comfrey | where is the recomended place to add an entry to $MANPATH? |
| 22:15.10 | comfrey | would it be /etc/manpath.config or /etc/profile .... |
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| 22:15.24 | cire | does lightscribe mean, to engrave sth on the upper side of the CDR, or on the data side? |
| 22:15.41 | sobersabre | gtigene, then cat /etc/hosts.deny ... |
| 22:15.59 | sobersabre | and hosts.allow |
| 22:16.32 | gnomon | cire, "lightscribe" is the marketing-name of the feature that allows your CD drive to write designs on the label side of a CD or DVD. |
| 22:16.34 | sobersabre | gtigene, got it ? |
| 22:16.43 | hasimir44 | anybody know the difference between the local0 - local7 in syslog.conf ? |
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| 22:16.52 | Debian | hello all |
| 22:17.13 | gtigene | sobersabre: hosts.deny specifies portmap:all but hosts.allow allows portmap for the client machine. Does that sound right? |
| 22:17.18 | simonrvn | hasimir44: man syslog-facility |
| 22:17.33 | hasimir44 | simon - you rule!! |
| 22:17.43 | simonrvn | nah |
| 22:17.51 | sobersabre | man rul3z |
| 22:17.53 | simonrvn | np |
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| 22:18.02 | cmk | howdy all :) |
| 22:18.06 | hasimir44 | i've been looking for > 45 mins.. :) |
| 22:18.16 | gtigene | sobersabre: Can I show you hosts.deny and hosts.allow? |
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| 22:18.33 | simonrvn | no place like localhost? |
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| 22:18.44 | sobersabre | gtigene, man hosts_access |
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| 22:18.52 | sobersabre | heh |
| 22:19.01 | gtigene | sobersabre: OK |
| 22:19.05 | simonrvn | cafuego: g'night |
| 22:19.17 | akash | <<-- TwistedEmotion |
| 22:19.35 | simonrvn | s/Emotion/Brain/ |
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| 22:19.45 | akash | Anyone know that command for setting up ASLA? |
| 22:19.54 | gnomon | Any ideas about the aforementioned USB subsystem problem I'm seeing? |
| 22:19.59 | seldon | apt-get install alsa-base, if you mean ALSA |
| 22:20.03 | stew | !wikifaq akash UseSoundCard |
| 22:20.03 | RichiH | !tell akash about alsa |
| 22:20.05 | dpkg | akash: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 22:20.12 | simonrvn | never heard of ASLA |
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| 22:20.32 | gtigene | sobresabre: It says that access is granted if the host/daemon pair is matched in hosts.allow. So I am back to the firewall theory. What do you think? |
| 22:20.37 | seldon | Yeah, well. I'm at a loss how to ahte someone, too, so... ;) |
| 22:20.38 | akash | thanks guys |
| 22:20.46 | sobersabre | ASLA="age sex location acquisition" |
| 22:20.50 | simonrvn | yeh. /me wonders too |
| 22:21.08 | Vlat- | before trying to use ALSA, check, do you REALLY need it ? |
| 22:21.15 | stew | gtigene: does it work from localhost? |
| 22:21.47 | stew | gtigene: does it show up in netstat -plunt? |
| 22:22.01 | akash | Also how to mount windows drives? |
| 22:22.21 | simonrvn | Vlat-: um considering that alsa is sounds system in 2.6 - oss being deprecated - one would want to have it run properly if one wants sound working |
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| 22:22.29 | simonrvn | is the sound* |
| 22:22.39 | seldon | mount -t vfat /dev/foo /path/to/mountpoint or mount -t ntfs /dev/foo /path/to/mountpoint, depending on the filesystem |
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| 22:22.51 | gtigene | stew: portmap shows up in netstat -plunt. Is that your question? |
| 22:23.02 | akash | seldon: thanks. |
| 22:23.06 | stew | yes. can you telnet to 111 from localhost? |
| 22:23.11 | glick | excuse me how can i let users mount things like external firewire disk, and usb sticks and such? |
| 22:23.14 | gtigene | stew: yes |
| 22:23.19 | stew | gtigene: but not remote? |
| 22:23.26 | stew | gtigene: then it does sound like firewall |
| 22:23.27 | gtigene | stew: that is correct |
| 22:23.37 | Vlat- | simonrvn: unfotently can't comply with Your oppinion, currently our office is using OSS, becouse ALSA just to buggy |
| 22:23.41 | Vlat- | simonrvn: for example |
| 22:24.07 | simonrvn | then file a bug |
| 22:24.15 | stew | gtigene: does anything relevant show up with iptables -Ln on the server? |
| 22:24.25 | sobersabre | Vlat-, alsa too buggy ?!?!?!?!?!?!? |
| 22:24.26 | Vlat- | simonrvn: there're about 30 machines with integrated ICHxxx audio, alsa locks them at 48khz sampling |
| 22:24.49 | simonrvn | not my fault you got crappy h/w ;p |
| 22:24.50 | sobersabre | Vlat-, which modules do you use ? |
| 22:24.50 | Vlat- | simonrvn: OSS uses soft-downsampling if i know right |
| 22:24.59 | seldon | alsa _is_ a lot more flexible than oss, and in my experience, far less bug-ridden. |
| 22:25.10 | gtigene | stew: it says "modprobe: can't locate iptables table 'filter'... I think my iptables is screwed up. |
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| 22:25.19 | sobersabre | Vlat-, btw, perhas |
| 22:25.22 | sobersabre | hm. |
| 22:25.25 | stew | gtigene: well then its not iptables on the server |
| 22:25.28 | sobersabre | s/perhas/perhaps/ |
| 22:25.36 | Vlat- | simonrvn: i didn't tell even it's your fault :) |
| 22:25.44 | stew | gtigene: cuz if it can't even find a filter module then it won't be able to filter |
| 22:25.47 | simonrvn | i'm just kidding :) |
| 22:25.49 | stew | gtigene: what does uname -r say on the server? |
| 22:25.54 | Vlat- | simonrvn: but in any case these are brand Compaq :) |
| 22:26.00 | simonrvn | anyway, GTG |
| 22:26.08 | gtigene | stew: it is 2.4.26 |
| 22:26.18 | stew | gtigene: what does uname -r say on the server? |
| 22:26.31 | gtigene | stew: it is 2.4.26 |
| 22:26.38 | sobersabre | Vlat-, what is that supposed to be ? are Compaq's problem prone ? |
| 22:27.02 | stew | gtigene: why are you using a self compiled kernel unstead of a debian kenrel? |
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| 22:27.08 | akash | anyone know the soure for xfce updates? |
| 22:27.13 | akash | *source |
| 22:27.22 | myren | can you have multiple IN A dns records for a single IP address? |
| 22:27.31 | Vlat- | sobersabre: intel8x0 |
| 22:27.46 | seldon | You can only have one A record, but you can add aliases with CNAME records |
| 22:27.51 | Mage_ | myren: yes, but it's dirty |
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| 22:28.04 | Vlat- | sobersabre: as far as i remember, i'm not desktop admin there for about 2 month. |
| 22:28.22 | RvGaTe | Quick question: how do i rename a folder ? :S |
| 22:28.25 | myren | i want to give my domain name the same ip address as my nameserver, |
| 22:28.33 | gtigene | stew: I don't remember for sure. I think I needed checksums on my symbols, and I needed the driver for my network interface. And maybe some other reasons. I am running an application called Asterisk. |
| 22:28.33 | seldon | RvGaTe: with mv |
| 22:28.35 | glick | is there anyway i can let users mount any sub partition sdax |
| 22:28.40 | cmk | I try to use apt-get on Mac OS X Tiger. But I dunno know what to put in the sources.list to get access to more deb packages... already used google and some forums... :) |
| 22:28.40 | glick | or sdbx? |
| 22:29.03 | akash | Mac os tiger x isnt a package.. |
| 22:29.10 | myren | dnsreport doesnt like it when PRIMARY.alienintels.com. is IN CNAME to alienintels.com. |
| 22:29.22 | cmk | akash: hmmm what do you mean with that? |
| 22:29.39 | gtigene | stew: I have two rpc servers running this kernel. One works and the other one does not work. |
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| 22:31.27 | RvGaTe | ok, i have a problem... i have a folder called: "Documents And Settings" on my debian server... now i want to rename the folder becouse of the spaces... so i do: mv Documents\ And\ Settings something... but then it just goes to a new line when i hit enter.. without doing anything... |
| 22:31.33 | akash | cmk: Mac "OS" X Tiger is a operating system... if you want to run it you have to format debian and install it... also you have to be on a macintosh... it's like asking why isnt there a apt-get windows... sell because its a operating system... its not just a program you install. |
| 22:31.35 | deadcat | cmk: stop being a dumbass. your humour is not working |
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| 22:31.46 | Vlat- | simonrvn: in any case, we had received a message from kernel-developers list, and it said that the it's the real problem, it will be fixed in a months |
| 22:31.50 | Vlat- | thanks for them |
| 22:31.59 | akash | deadcat: How do I mount a windows drive? |
| 22:32.20 | akash | the mount command is temporary.. |
| 22:32.20 | deadcat | akash: what filesystem? |
| 22:32.25 | RvGaTe | akash: samba: smbmount //ip/share folder |
| 22:32.25 | akash | ntfs |
| 22:32.34 | gtigene | stew: Well, thanks for looking at my problem. I am relieved to hear that it is not an iptables problem. |
| 22:32.36 | akash | RvGaTe, local.. |
| 22:32.42 | nipplesrulz | dude |
| 22:32.47 | nipplesrulz | if your near a frys |
| 22:32.49 | nipplesrulz | GO FAST |
| 22:32.54 | akash | why? |
| 22:32.57 | nipplesrulz | they have $100 systems |
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| 22:33.00 | abrotman | RvGaTe: try "Documents And Settings" |
| 22:33.01 | deadcat | akash: modprobe ntfs && mount -t ntfs /dev/hdXY /mnt/ntfs assuming /mnt/ntfs is created |
| 22:33.02 | nipplesrulz | its not the best thing ever |
| 22:33.05 | nipplesrulz | but um its like |
| 22:33.08 | glick | is there an easy way to allow users to mount usb drives? |
| 22:33.16 | abrotman | !tell nipplesrulz about enter |
| 22:33.26 | abrotman | and stupid nicks |
| 22:33.32 | deadcat | glick: add users to /etc/fstab |
| 22:33.43 | nipplesrulz | 128mb ram 200w ps 333 fsb 40gb hdd |
| 22:33.52 | RvGaTe | abrotman: same thing, doing nothing |
| 22:33.54 | nipplesrulz | perfect for a gateway system lol |
| 22:33.54 | deadcat | glick: /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 auto user,noauto 0 0 |
| 22:33.58 | Vlat- | deadcat: imho he don't have ntfs module |
| 22:34.00 | akash | nipplesrulz, u have the link for the advertisement? |
| 22:34.02 | glick | deadcat, but see i dont know what kina device users will plug into my machine |
| 22:34.10 | abrotman | RvGaTe: mv "Documents And Settings"/ blah/ |
| 22:34.11 | glick | some may plug in harddrives that have many filesystems on them |
| 22:34.12 | akash | deadcat: You want one? |
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| 22:34.23 | deadcat | Vlat-: how do you know? (= |
| 22:34.29 | akash | deadcat: By the way i checked at 7am deal was dead already/... sorry |
| 22:34.35 | stew | gtigene: we ruled out iptabes on the server but not some other firewall in between |
| 22:34.37 | nipplesrulz | just the paper |
| 22:34.41 | nipplesrulz | i went and got it |
| 22:34.42 | stew | abrotman: happy friday |
| 22:34.45 | nipplesrulz | comes with lindows |
| 22:34.46 | Vlat- | deadcat: he tried a lot, with no success :) |
| 22:34.52 | abrotman | stew: normal idiots abounding ? |
| 22:34.52 | nipplesrulz | call first and see if any are left |
| 22:34.56 | deadcat | akash: ya. those bastards tried to temp me. |
| 22:35.02 | abrotman | !tell nipplesrulz about enter |
| 22:35.04 | RvGaTe | abrotman: nope, no effect... cant do anthing |
| 22:35.06 | deadcat | Vlat-: hehe |
| 22:35.08 | stew | abrotman: who cares, i've got a beer in my hand and its friday |
| 22:35.14 | abrotman | stew: my tummy hurts |
| 22:35.18 | nipplesrulz | !tell abrotman about shaddup |
| 22:35.24 | akash | deadcat: What? no I am saying do you want a computer... im gonna go buy one |
| 22:35.25 | seldon | It's times like these when I really wish for an IRC spamfilter... |
| 22:35.30 | nipplesrulz | :P |
| 22:35.34 | abrotman | not funny fucktard |
| 22:35.40 | deadcat | akash: what computer? |
| 22:35.42 | nipplesrulz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.47 | abrotman | stew: bosox on tbs ! |
| 22:35.48 | Vlat- | deadcat: at least, what kernel has he got ? |
| 22:35.53 | gtigene | stew: The client and the server are both plugged into the same Ethernet switch. Doesn't that mean there is no firewall in between? |
| 22:35.55 | myren | i'm trying to forward dns requests to another system,. but this iptables line isnt working |
| 22:35.58 | myren | iptables -A FORWARD -d 69.17.65.164 -p tcp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT |
| 22:35.59 | stew | gtigene: yes |
| 22:36.11 | Vlat- | deadcat: yesterday i had a pal with 2.0.22 :) |
| 22:36.15 | RvGaTe | abrotman: got VNC? maybe you can give it a shot at the console... |
| 22:36.17 | abrotman | myren: no .. #debian .. but close |
| 22:36.24 | deadcat | Vlat-: HAHAHAH. damn. |
| 22:36.31 | glick | i could write a daemon that looks at what filesystems are on the device, makes the directories in /mnt on the fly and mounts it, and then when it is unpluged will unmount it and delete the directories |
| 22:36.32 | stew | abrotman: go bosox (actually go !(yankees) ) |
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| 22:36.37 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i've told you twice .. what xterm are you using ?. .. maybe it's retarded |
| 22:36.47 | hugo | anzbody any suggestions on a cdrom based firewall? |
| 22:36.48 | akash | deadcat, what nipples is talking about 100$... |
| 22:36.51 | deadcat | glick: you go do that. |
| 22:36.52 | abrotman | stew: you didn't get tix for subway series ? |
| 22:37.03 | deadcat | akash: let me check the link |
| 22:37.10 | glick | deadcat, why, does something liek that already exist? |
| 22:37.10 | myanywhere | hi all |
| 22:37.11 | RvGaTe | abrotman: im already trying... putty even crashes when i try: cd Do<tab> |
| 22:37.14 | stew | abrotman: no, i dunno what game we have tix for, thats the wifes job. she's the baseball nut |
| 22:37.15 | myanywhere | i got a question |
| 22:37.22 | myanywhere | silly anyways |
| 22:37.26 | deadcat | glick: dont know. thats why i tell you to do that |
| 22:37.30 | RvGaTe | abrotman: there is something wrong wit this folder |
| 22:37.36 | abrotman | stew: can she get me yanks/bosox tix ? :) |
| 22:37.37 | deadcat | kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
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| 22:37.46 | stew | abrotman: nope, she tried for us |
| 22:37.47 | deadcat | oops. what ths linke to the $100 computer? |
| 22:37.54 | abrotman | stew: but .. but .. |
| 22:38.15 | abrotman | RvGaTe: or your computer ? |
| 22:38.28 | RvGaTe | abrotman: please, be serious |
| 22:38.38 | Vlat- | the guy wrote "anzybody". if you're hungarian, maybe i can help in private |
| 22:38.43 | Vlat- | in native lang |
| 22:38.44 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i am .. i've told you how to move the folder |
| 22:38.47 | deadcat | akash: whats the link to the $100 computer? |
| 22:38.50 | akash | deadcat: http://newspaperads.dfw.com/RopAds.aspx?adv=15646&ad= |
| 22:38.56 | Vlat- | damned z=y, y=z |
| 22:39.09 | akash | deadcat, I have one.. formatted it.. run very nice.. |
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| 22:39.40 | acidchild | sorry about that :) |
| 22:39.43 | RvGaTe | abrotman: and i told you that dozn't work.. twice... it just dozn't work, and no, im not stupid... when i try anything on that folder like chmod, chown etc... it just dozn't do anything |
| 22:39.46 | deadcat | akash: what the hell is asempron? never used amd in my life. |
| 22:39.53 | abrotman | RvGaTe: then what's the error ? |
| 22:39.55 | acidchild | whats the package is ping6 in? |
| 22:40.03 | seldon | iputils-ping |
| 22:40.08 | RvGaTe | abrotman: none, it just gets on a new line all blank |
| 22:40.49 | acidchild | thank you. |
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| 22:40.50 | stew | acidchild: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:40.50 | abrotman | RvGaTe: paste it somewhere .. like /msg dpkg paste |
| 22:40.50 | deadcat | akash: forget it. looks like a waste of $100 to me. |
| 22:40.50 | akash | deadcat, its not amazing chip... but like probably equall to a 1.8 p4 |
| 22:40.57 | deadcat | oh |
| 22:40.57 | RvGaTe | abrotman: what do i paste? there is nothing :S |
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| 22:41.01 | akash | deadcat, kk |
| 22:41.02 | acidchild | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.05 | acidchild | like that. |
| 22:41.16 | stew | acidchild: no, just /msg dpkg search |
| 22:41.16 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i want to see the command :) |
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| 22:41.30 | Vlat- | btw, real debian people. How do you think, when does the Sarge really will be stable ? |
| 22:41.34 | abrotman | RvGaTe: ls ; `mv command you're trying` ; ls |
| 22:41.38 | acidchild | oh aye |
| 22:41.41 | seldon | acidchild: My guess is that dpkg would then tell you about apt-cache, which in turn will solve many of your problems. |
| 22:41.43 | acidchild | stew: i knew that :-) |
| 22:41.48 | Vlat- | slink was 1 year |
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| 22:41.56 | acidchild | i think i screwed somthing on my network up |
| 22:41.57 | Vlat- | sarge is 3 year now :) |
| 22:42.07 | deadcat | Vlat-: it went stable lastnight. where the hell were you? |
| 22:42.07 | abrotman | wtf are you talking about ? |
| 22:42.13 | acidchild | coz it wasnt downloading jst checking i had the right package name :) |
| 22:42.15 | nipplesrulz | hmm |
| 22:42.33 | nipplesrulz | if i toss ram in my system do i need to mod the configs for debian or can it tell on its own? |
| 22:42.34 | ApEtc | Vlat-: Slink also had a lot fewer packages to worry about |
| 22:42.37 | numerobis | can anyone give me a server name for newer debian woody packages? |
| 22:42.39 | RvGaTe | abrotman: pm ? (for the command results) |
| 22:42.43 | abrotman | !paste |
| 22:42.44 | dpkg | paste is probably Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 22:42.47 | gnomon | yow, sarahbot |
| 22:42.50 | abrotman | RvGaTe: use the URL |
| 22:42.54 | ApEtc | nipplesrulz: If you will have 1 gig or more, you might need to update your kernel to support it properly |
| 22:43.06 | seldon | I think the point is more that slink had a lot less architectures to worry about, as will etch. |
| 22:43.07 | abrotman | or use the SMP kernel |
| 22:43.10 | myren | slapd: Depends: libldap2 (= 2.1.30-3) but 2.1.30-6 is to be installed |
| 22:43.23 | myren | how do i tell the apt to shut the f up and hold the package |
| 22:43.24 | nipplesrulz | ApEtc, i have the latest kernal atm, is there something special i need to do? |
| 22:43.25 | RvGaTe | abrotman: what channel... |
| 22:43.40 | abrotman | http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:43.42 | stew | myren: /msg dpkg hold |
| 22:43.42 | abrotman | there .. paste there |
| 22:43.58 | Vlat- | ApEtc: absolutely agree with it |
| 22:44.07 | acidchild | how do i stop services running on start up? |
| 22:44.11 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: normal sarge kernels only do 970MB . the SMP ones do 4GB .. there is also a 64GB option |
| 22:44.13 | acidchild | i have checked inetd |
| 22:44.19 | Vlat- | ApEtc: it was just a question, not anything else %) |
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| 22:44.46 | nipplesrulz | hmm |
| 22:44.50 | ApEtc | nipplesrulz: I don't know offhand which of the pre-packaged kernels will or will not have that proper support, but I believe abrotman's statement might have been directed towards you. |
| 22:44.52 | tra1a1a | acidchild: update-rc.d |
| 22:44.53 | nipplesrulz | im running sid atm |
| 22:44.58 | abrotman | ApEtc: i just said |
| 22:45.03 | RvGaTe | abrotman: i must be stupid... it says CHANNEL on that page... if i say none, it would be kinda useless ? |
| 22:45.06 | acidchild | thank you :-) |
| 22:45.11 | numerobis | does anyone know where to get libncurses for debian with version above 5? |
| 22:45.13 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: check /boot/config-`uname -r` .. see what it says |
| 22:45.17 | abrotman | RvGaTe: #debian |
| 22:45.19 | ApEtc | abrotman: I included that in my statement |
| 22:45.26 | nipplesrulz | thanx abrotman that was my next question :P |
| 22:45.27 | Vlat- | damn, where's my linux brother.... |
| 22:45.28 | RvGaTe | abrotman: not in the list |
| 22:45.30 | myren | arg, i told libldap2 to hold but its still err'ing |
| 22:45.34 | abrotman | ApEtc: oh .. sorry . thought that was addressed to me :) |
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| 22:45.45 | myren | if i go into aptitude and tell it to hold it works fine, until i try and use apt again |
| 22:45.49 | stew | abrotman: its not just the SMP kernels anymore |
| 22:45.58 | abrotman | stew: let me check |
| 22:46.03 | stew | i just did |
| 22:46.04 | abrotman | RvGaTe: bah .. use pastebin.ca |
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| 22:46.21 | abrotman | stupid fucking gnaa spammers fucked up the channel paste bot too |
| 22:46.23 | nipplesrulz | cat: /boot/config-: No such file or directory |
| 22:46.23 | nipplesrulz | cat: uname: No such file or directory |
| 22:46.23 | nipplesrulz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.26 | RvGaTe | abrotman: why the trouble, cant i just use the PM instead ? :S |
| 22:46.30 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: check /boot/config-`uname -r` .. see what it says |
| 22:46.36 | acidchild | tra1a1a: can i not just chmod -x the init file? |
| 22:46.37 | abrotman | RvGaTe: rater you didn't |
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| 22:47.03 | abrotman | !win stew |
| 22:47.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 22:47.05 | stew | abrotman: grep HIGHMEM4G /boot/config-2.6.11-1-686 -> CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 22:47.13 | abrotman | stew: i see .. and i'm on a sarge kernel |
| 22:47.16 | Vlat- | nipplesrulz: a sad bsd past ? such problems appeared eventually |
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| 22:47.36 | tra1a1a | acidchild: I think you can, but it's not really the debian way |
| 22:47.37 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: if yo don't have cat .. you've got other problems .. |
| 22:47.44 | abrotman | err uname |
| 22:47.47 | acidchild | heh i am not a debian person :-) |
| 22:47.47 | abrotman | !smack me |
| 22:47.52 | nipplesrulz | no i have cat |
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| 22:47.59 | RvGaTe | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/287203 |
| 22:48.02 | Vlat- | nipplesrulz: install base packages anyway |
| 22:48.04 | nipplesrulz | mind joining flood for a moment? |
| 22:48.25 | RichiH | !find tcptraceroute |
| 22:48.31 | dpkg | tcptraceroute: (A traceroute implementation using TCP packets), section net, is optional. Version: 1.5beta6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 63 kB |
| 22:48.38 | abrotman | RvGaTe: where did your prompt go ? |
| 22:48.41 | abrotman | RichiH: how was italy ? |
| 22:48.51 | RvGaTe | abrotman: thats what im trying to say |
| 22:48.52 | RichiH | abrotman: good |
| 22:48.57 | RvGaTe | abrotman: it dozn't do anything |
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| 22:49.08 | RichiH | we had rain on one day, but just stayed in the tent playing cards |
| 22:49.12 | tra1a1a | acidchild: it's not too late to become one |
| 22:49.13 | numerobis | is there a packageserver called backdoor anywhere? |
| 22:49.26 | acidchild | heh only using debian coz its allready installed. |
| 22:49.26 | Vlat- | nipplesrulz: at least textutils |
| 22:49.31 | nipplesrulz | cat works fine its just not seeing that file is all |
| 22:49.34 | acidchild | :-) |
| 22:49.46 | abrotman | RichiH: heh .. that'll work |
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| 22:49.52 | RichiH | abrotman: indeed |
| 22:49.55 | deadcat | acidchild: uninstall it (= |
| 22:49.57 | RichiH | alcohol did the rest ;) |
| 22:50.02 | gtigene | stew: If I edit hosts.allow, do the changes take effect immediately or do I have to somehow signal portmap to read the confi file again? |
| 22:50.03 | nipplesrulz | i think i get the config i need |
| 22:50.08 | numerobis | is anyone out there who has a second to help? |
| 22:50.13 | acidchild | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.17 | acidchild | i can live with debian. |
| 22:50.35 | abrotman | RvGaTe: ok .. that's very weird |
| 22:50.39 | acidchild | things are just all in the wrong places ;p |
| 22:51.09 | Vlat- | numerobis: sorry, i didn't seen your question, could you repeat it to me ? |
| 22:51.12 | RvGaTe | abrotman: so im not stupid, and its not a retarded question... :) agree? :P |
| 22:51.15 | simonrvn | in the right places for us ;) |
| 22:51.20 | Vlat- | numerobis: i hope i can help |
| 22:51.20 | abrotman | RvGaTe: oh wait .. how big is the directory ? |
| 22:51.28 | tra1a1a | numerobis: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 22:51.42 | acidchild | 1024/tcp open kdm |
| 22:51.44 | RvGaTe | abrotman: its mounted to my documents and settings from windows |
| 22:51.45 | acidchild | whats that? |
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| 22:51.59 | abrotman | RvGaTe: so it's over a network ? |
| 22:52.00 | numerobis | Vlat- thank you very much, I need to packages openssl and libncurses,the versions i do have are to old for my needs. where can I get newer ones |
| 22:52.02 | acidchild | apart from kdm... is that the graphical login thingi? |
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| 22:52.09 | simonrvn | kde display manager |
| 22:52.12 | RvGaTe | abrotman: yes, its a total of 1,7 gb |
| 22:52.13 | abrotman | gdm/xdm/kdm |
| 22:52.13 | acidchild | *sigh* |
| 22:52.14 | stew | gtigene: not sure, i would guess they are immediate |
| 22:52.17 | acidchild | doesnt evan have kde on it lol |
| 22:52.23 | abrotman | RvGaTe: uhm .. that will take a while .. that's why the prompt didn't come back |
| 22:52.24 | acidchild | mmm i cant seem to beable to find the pid |
| 22:52.34 | simonrvn | pidof kdm |
| 22:52.48 | myren | anyone have suggestions for how to set up DNS forwarding? |
| 22:52.50 | acidchild | nothing ;/ |
| 22:52.53 | gtigene | stew: Thank you. Do you have any other ideas about the problem? |
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| 22:53.00 | simonrvn | ps auxw | grep kdm |
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| 22:53.06 | acidchild | tryed that |
| 22:53.06 | RvGaTe | abrotman: but that cant be a reason why my putty crashes when i try: cd Do<tab> |
| 22:53.07 | myren | my secondary DNS server died, i'd like to just set up a lightweight proxy at that IP to forward to my primary |
| 22:53.30 | nipplesrulz | ok i cat'd the file and now im nano so i can do by pages or whatever... what am i looking for specifically please abrotman |
| 22:53.38 | acidchild | all i cam imagin is its somthing running on the same port simonrvn |
| 22:53.40 | RvGaTe | abrotman: also, i cant umount it... |
| 22:53.45 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: see above what stew showed me |
| 22:53.48 | acidchild | is it "fuser" ? |
| 22:53.51 | acidchild | to find out. |
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| 22:53.57 | abrotman | RvGaTe: cause it's uber-busy probably |
| 22:54.01 | simonrvn | that's nmap output... try netstat |
| 22:54.13 | simonrvn | or lsof |
| 22:54.47 | stew | nipplesrulz: HIGHMEM4g |
| 22:54.53 | stew | err HIGHMEM4G |
| 22:54.56 | numerobis | Vlat- any ideas? |
| 22:54.57 | abrotman | HIGHMEM |
| 22:54.59 | abrotman | should be enough |
| 22:54.59 | K_Dallas | I am having problem with my scanner and sane. lsusb shows the scanner but xsane refuses to find it! any thought on that? thanks |
| 22:55.05 | nunez | is there a tool that converts shell code into reading format? |
| 22:55.08 | RvGaTe | abrotman: what if i kill the process... ? will i loose any data ? |
| 22:55.10 | nunez | readable* |
| 22:55.15 | stew | gtigene: i dunno, /var/log/?? |
| 22:55.22 | abrotman | RvGaTe: it's windows .. i have no idea :) |
| 22:55.29 | stew | gtigene: tcpdump? strace? |
| 22:55.32 | acidchild | got it :-) |
| 22:55.34 | simonrvn | nunez: what? oh, you mean 0x450x34 etc. |
| 22:55.42 | nunez | simonrvn, yeah |
| 22:55.59 | simonrvn | they're hex |
| 22:56.10 | abrotman | RvGaTe: is the HDD light on your win32 box going nuts ? |
| 22:56.14 | gtigene | stew: I will look there. We are closing here so I have to go. Thanks again for your attention. |
| 22:56.20 | RvGaTe | abrotman: no |
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| 22:56.32 | darkcmd | anyone in here use XFCE? |
| 22:56.39 | deadcat | nope |
| 22:56.48 | abrotman | RvGaTe: can you see if linux is still trying to move the file s? |
| 22:56.59 | seldon | I did use xfce for a while - just ask. |
| 22:57.02 | deadcat | darkcmd: we're starting a openbox revolution |
| 22:57.08 | RvGaTe | abrotman: there are 5 mv commands running (ps -A) |
| 22:57.12 | nipplesrulz | ok |
| 22:57.14 | abrotman | RvGaTe: erm .. uhoh :) |
| 22:57.15 | darkcmd | hehe |
| 22:57.15 | stew | K_Dallas: permissions? is the user running xsane in the usb group?\ |
| 22:57.20 | nipplesrulz | im really not sure what i was supposed to notice :/ |
| 22:57.23 | RvGaTe | abrotman: thats what i thought.. lol |
| 22:57.27 | abrotman | RvGaTe: go get a beer or three .. let them all finish |
| 22:57.28 | nipplesrulz | i totally suck at debian so please keep that in mind |
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| 22:57.35 | K_Dallas | stew: let me check, thanks |
| 22:57.36 | RvGaTe | abrotman: ok, brb ;) |
| 22:57.38 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 22:57.42 | numerobis | can anyone tell me where to find packages? |
| 22:57.42 | nipplesrulz | apparently im the second lamest person in here as i recall lol |
| 22:57.42 | stew | K_Dallas: actually ignore me, there's no usb group |
| 22:57.46 | nipplesrulz | oooooooooooooooooooo ok |
| 22:57.53 | K_Dallas | ok :) |
| 22:57.54 | stew | K_Dallas: but i would still guess it could be a permissions problem |
| 22:57.58 | acidchild | hehe thanks guys for the help. |
| 22:58.02 | abrotman | !beer RvGaTe |
| 22:58.04 | stew | K_Dallas: i had to do something wierd to get at my usb camera as non root |
| 22:58.09 | K_Dallas | stew i see a scanner group tho |
| 22:58.19 | stew | K_Dallas: which i read in /usr/share/doc/libgphoto2-2 or something like that |
| 22:58.19 | numerobis | can anyone tell me where to find packages for debian woody? I"m looking especially for libncurses5 |
| 22:58.23 | K_Dallas | what if i run it as root? it should be ok then? |
| 22:58.25 | tra1a1a | numerobis: packages.debian.org, man sources.list, man apt-get |
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| 22:59.11 | numerobis | tra1a1a those packages are old, I would need a source that hosts newer versions for woody |
| 22:59.11 | nipplesrulz | sudo grep highmem config-2.4.27-2-k7-smp -r <<-=-=- did that and i dont see anything >.< |
| 22:59.11 | abrotman | no sudo required |
| 22:59.20 | seldon | But HIGHMEM has to be uppercase |
| 22:59.21 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: HIGHMEM .. just like i typed it above |
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| 22:59.27 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 22:59.29 | K_Dallas | stew, it seems to be wroking as root, right now it is warming up so i keep my hope high ;) |
| 22:59.40 | nipplesrulz | oh thats it right i keep forgetting that caps means something. SORRY >.< |
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| 22:59.43 | tra1a1a | numerobis: there are a number of unofficial repositories. google is your friend |
| 22:59.49 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: or learn to use -i |
| 22:59.50 | K_Dallas | stew i added root and myself to the scanner group |
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| 23:00.05 | nipplesrulz | ok its all listed as not set |
| 23:00.06 | numerobis | tra1a1a have you got a suggestion what to search for? |
| 23:00.26 | stew | K_Dallas: you wont actually get the scanner gruop priveleges until you login again |
| 23:00.28 | K_Dallas | numerobis, google: "sources.list" |
| 23:00.41 | K_Dallas | i see, thanks that is what i was wondering ;) |
| 23:00.41 | nipplesrulz | # CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y # CONFIG_DEBUG_HIGHMEM is not set |
| 23:00.51 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: you're using a 2.4.x kernel |
| 23:00.52 | stew | K_Dallas: or you could run "newgrp scanner" in a shell and launch xsane from that shell |
| 23:00.59 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: and it is set |
| 23:01.03 | abrotman | that's exactly what it says |
| 23:01.09 | K_Dallas | that is more like linux, appreciate it |
| 23:01.15 | tra1a1a | numerobis: unofficial woody packages or libncurses5 woody. you also have the option of compiling it yourself if it is not available |
| 23:01.19 | K_Dallas | well root scanned all right :) yoopie |
| 23:01.23 | lucox | hi all people over debian :), i'm trying to install somethin that i download from cvs ... there is autogen.sh, so i'm running that ... but it is saying to me that i have old autoconf, automake, pkg-config and that i don't have M4 macros ... and i don't know what to do with that ... |
| 23:01.24 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: =y should clue you in |
| 23:01.31 | nipplesrulz | i dont understand abrotman, do you mean its not set means it is set? oh ok |
| 23:01.36 | abrotman | !b-e lucox |
| 23:01.37 | dpkg | lucox: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 23:01.43 | RvGaTe | abrotman: it cant take that long can it? (opening beer) |
| 23:01.51 | abrotman | RvGaTe: yes .. ti can |
| 23:02.03 | RvGaTe | abrotman: cmon, its linux :P |
| 23:02.07 | abrotman | RvGaTe: you're trying to do it 4-5 times at the same time |
| 23:02.10 | abrotman | RvGaTe: no . it's windows |
| 23:02.22 | lucox | dpkg: thnx i'm installing now ... we'll see ... |
| 23:02.26 | abrotman | RvGaTe: go plug a monitor on your windows box .. and see what's going on |
| 23:02.33 | stew | actually does build-essential bring in autotools? i'm not so sure |
| 23:02.33 | nipplesrulz | so if it is set then i could then put in more mem with impunity and it should work, set meaning its set to handle more mem, or does that mean its set static to the mem in it and i need to define more memory? |
| 23:02.41 | RvGaTe | abrotman: where do you think im wokring on... |
| 23:02.52 | K_Dallas | stew: thanks man, now as a user xsane is working fine but what do you use to connect your webcam (usb)? |
| 23:02.54 | abrotman | RvGaTe: a blonde in a miniskirt ? |
| 23:03.02 | RvGaTe | abrotman: besides that |
| 23:03.23 | stew | K_Dallas: i dont have a webcam, i have a digital camera, and i use to use gtkam for that |
| 23:03.36 | lucox | dpkg: ok installed, but nothing changed ... |
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| 23:03.38 | abrotman | f-spot is fun |
| 23:03.40 | stew | K_Dallas: these days i plot the cf card in a card reader |
| 23:03.43 | stew | plop |
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| 23:03.45 | Vlat- | nah, #freebsd is done |
| 23:03.45 | lucox | dpkg: what should i do ... |
| 23:03.46 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 23:03.46 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:03.53 | K_Dallas | i see thanks |
| 23:03.53 | abrotman | dpkg: who owns you |
| 23:03.53 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 23:04.06 | RvGaTe | abrotman: soo.. what are you doing ? |
| 23:04.19 | abrotman | RvGaTe: getting ready to watch baseball and order pizza |
| 23:04.33 | RvGaTe | abrotman: cool, who's playin? |
| 23:04.33 | K_Dallas | is there any messenger like client for linux which supports A/V ? gaim does not seem to be doing it |
| 23:04.41 | abrotman | RvGaTe: braves/bosox |
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| 23:04.48 | lucox | i installed the build-essential package ... but nothing changed ... |
| 23:04.49 | RvGaTe | abrotman: who are they ? |
| 23:04.50 | RvGaTe | lol |
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| 23:04.54 | abrotman | RvGaTe: baseball teams :) |
| 23:05.00 | nipplesrulz | abrotman, so if it is set then i could then put in more mem with impunity and it should work, set meaning its set to handle more mem, or does that mean its set static to the mem in it and i need to define more memory? |
| 23:05.04 | abrotman | lucox: need a more descriptive error |
| 23:05.04 | RvGaTe | abrotman: really... :P |
| 23:05.14 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: up to 4GB ish |
| 23:05.26 | stew | lucox: install autoconf and automake |
| 23:05.29 | nipplesrulz | yay! thanx, and sorry about the shaddup comment >.< |
| 23:05.30 | RvGaTe | abrotman: got a website ? |
| 23:05.36 | abrotman | RvGaTe: mlb.com :) |
| 23:05.44 | abrotman | RvGaTe: atlanta braves/ boston red sox |
| 23:05.53 | lucox | yes i have : dpkg -l|grep automake |
| 23:05.54 | lucox | ii automake1.4 1.4-p6-9 A tool for generating GNU Standards-complian |
| 23:05.55 | lucox | ii automake1.6 1.6.3-12 A tool for generating GNU Standards-complian |
| 23:06.06 | abrotman | lucox: what is the error |
| 23:06.07 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:06.07 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 23:06.12 | nipplesrulz | in yalls experience how does debian run on 384 mb memory? |
| 23:06.16 | abrotman | yalls ? |
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| 23:06.19 | lucox | aha i see .. checking for automake >= 1.7... |
| 23:06.19 | lucox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.19 | lucox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.19 | lucox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:06.27 | dondelelcaro | nipplesrulz: just fine |
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| 23:06.31 | RvGaTe | abrotman: i was actually reffering to your own website.. instead of a baseball website... |
| 23:06.38 | dondelelcaro | nipplesrulz: it really depends what exactly you're doing, though. |
| 23:06.39 | lucox | ok that - i understand ... but ... |
| 23:06.41 | stew | lucox: don't paste. apt-get install automake-1.9 |
| 23:06.41 | abrotman | lucox: don't paste here .. gets you kicked |
| 23:06.47 | FarrisG | Does anyone know how to configure condor to completely ignore keyboard/mouse activity? |
| 23:06.54 | abrotman | !tell lucox about search |
| 23:07.07 | stew | lucox: err automake1.9 |
| 23:07.07 | RvGaTe | !tell me about you |
| 23:07.09 | lucox | my autoconf : autoconf 2.59a-3 |
| 23:07.19 | tra1a1a | !tell me about search |
| 23:07.21 | lucox | error message : testing autoconf2.50... not found |
| 23:08.12 | stew | lucox: what are you compiling? |
| 23:08.51 | nipplesrulz | sweet dondelelcaro .. just a fileserver. im thinking of taking one of my systems and makeing it just a fileserver mostly.. torrenting in and out is about it. could probably do it on 128 lol easily lol, because that cheap ass system from frys supports upgrading the cpu and overclocking so it might just take my current cpu amd 2000+ and swap it with the atholon 2200+ in it and put my 512mb chips in the new system, and let the old system |
| 23:08.51 | nipplesrulz | be the fileserver and the new one be the fucking around system...... |
| 23:09.02 | lucox | now i have error with pkg-config |
| 23:09.08 | Vlat- | if anyone is....rather ask here :) |
| 23:09.10 | lucox | my pkg-config : 0.17.2-1 |
| 23:09.21 | lucox | checking for pkg-config >= 0.14.0... |
| 23:09.22 | lucox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:10.05 | lucox | stew: i'm building evince from CVS because, they repair a error that i reported and i need it repaired |
| 23:10.21 | nipplesrulz | the one thing i was thinking about was connecting the systems to eachother by a usb cable and have the linux system be the one connected to the internet and windows on the other because there are some proggies that i just like that way etc whatever but the linux would still just do torrenting etc. if i did do something like that how hard would it be to connect the win system to the internet through the debian system via usb 2.o ports? |
| 23:10.47 | stew | lucox: which bug #? |
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| 23:10.53 | RvGaTe | abrotman: i dont have the patients to let this finish... cant i just cancel it ?... |
| 23:10.58 | nipplesrulz | the debian system already being connected ethernet wise as it is now :P |
| 23:10.59 | lucox | with slovak special chars |
| 23:11.17 | stew | lucox: is it in the bts? |
| 23:11.17 | Vlat- | nipplesrulz: it will work, if you have proper modules |
| 23:11.18 | abrotman | RvGaTe: it's your data .. not mine :) |
| 23:11.26 | lucox | stew: bts ? |
| 23:11.32 | Vlat- | nipplesrulz: we're tried it at here |
| 23:11.32 | stew | lucox: is it fixed in sid's version of evince? |
| 23:11.41 | lucox | stew: NO |
| 23:11.41 | stew | lucox: /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:11.45 | RvGaTe | abrotman: it cant change the data... |
| 23:11.51 | Vlat- | nipplesrulz: it was worked |
| 23:11.56 | stew | lucox: if you know about a bug in the debian package that is not in the bts, please report it |
| 23:12.00 | RvGaTe | abrotman: i shared it read only |
| 23:12.07 | lucox | stew: today i received a message that is repaired and it is in CVS |
| 23:12.16 | abrotman | RvGaTe: it's your data .. not mine :) |
| 23:12.28 | RvGaTe | abrotman: you are repeating youself... |
| 23:12.30 | RvGaTe | :P |
| 23:12.46 | abrotman | RvGaTe: because i can't tell you what to do .. it's your data |
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| 23:12.55 | nipplesrulz | Vlat-, so works then sweet. the win system does not need a fast connection etc, just irc for its internet and email i guess. and ill have seperate kvm for each anyway so i could watch anime on one and do irc on the other etc for instance ^_^ yay |
| 23:13.02 | RvGaTe | abrotman: lol, ok, ill just reboot the server ;) |
| 23:13.12 | c7 | Greetz, Deb install hangs on unkown device, which would be the sata card I plugged into a pci slot. What options can I pass the installer to remedy this? |
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| 23:13.24 | abrotman | c7: which installer ? |
| 23:13.31 | c7 | woody |
| 23:13.33 | lucox | stew: i will check out reportbug ... so what you mean that i shoul report bug ? |
| 23:13.43 | abrotman | c7: workstation or server ? |
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| 23:13.52 | c7 | workstsation |
| 23:13.55 | Kiowas | anyone know if theres a repository somewhere with the latest branch of kopete (with the msn fix)? |
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| 23:13.59 | abrotman | c7: broadband ? |
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| 23:14.08 | abrotman | Kiowas: #debian-kde |
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| 23:14.10 | c7 | correct dsl |
| 23:14.16 | abrotman | !d-i c7 |
| 23:14.17 | dpkg | c7, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 23:14.29 | tra1a1a | lucox: for the existing debian packages you should report the bug to the bts. the package maintainer then could report it to the author if needed |
| 23:14.40 | sinNULL | Make money by searching the WEB! |
| 23:14.40 | sinNULL | This is no scam I been paid already and you can too! |
| 23:14.40 | sinNULL | visit http://www.ibux.net/?r=968 and sign up and search. NO Credit card or Social security Number required! 100% risk free |
| 23:14.47 | abrotman | Sinistrad: go away |
| 23:14.50 | c7 | ? |
| 23:14.50 | abrotman | sinNULL: |
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| 23:14.58 | abrotman | c7: install sarge .. not woody |
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| 23:15.12 | abrotman | Sinistrad: sorry .. misfire |
| 23:15.19 | abrotman | c7: woody doesn't have sata support |
| 23:15.24 | sinNULL | I like slackware better than debian lol |
| 23:15.24 | c7 | thanks :) |
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| 23:15.28 | abrotman | i don't think it has anny at all |
| 23:15.32 | RvGaTe | abrotman: game started... |
| 23:15.40 | abrotman | !ops sinNULL spamming channel |
| 23:15.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: sinNULL spamming channel |
| 23:15.44 | jacobo | does nulldentd work? it works for me but it ignores parameters... |
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| 23:16.03 | UdontKnow | abrotman: thanks. klined |
| 23:16.08 | abrotman | UdontKnow: thank you |
| 23:16.12 | Vlat- | damn....5cm spider on my desk |
| 23:16.20 | K_Dallas | that is just lovely :) |
| 23:16.22 | Vlat- | damned hungary |
| 23:16.25 | abrotman | UdontKnow: you highlight on !ops too ? |
| 23:16.26 | tra1a1a | sinnu: we couldn't care less even if you liked lindows better |
| 23:16.28 | Kerr | i'd say sinNULL needs to be hunted down and shot, but it would be a waste of lead. |
| 23:16.31 | Vlat- | i'm afraid of these |
| 23:16.44 | lucox | tra1a1a: i thought, that the sid packages are being made from CVS repositories in some periods ... |
| 23:16.47 | UdontKnow | abrotman: no |
| 23:16.56 | abrotman | ok .. :) |
| 23:16.56 | c7 | later gentlmen, off to install sarge :) |
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| 23:17.05 | Kerr | c7: hmm |
| 23:17.18 | nipplesrulz | ok! so my biggest question ive been wondering abrotman is atholon xp 2000+ vs semperon 2200+ .. which is better with same hardware configurations, i e which can do more work? |
| 23:17.34 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: dunno .. sounds like a wash to me |
| 23:17.50 | Vlat- | nipplesrulz: semperon is better :) |
| 23:17.55 | nipplesrulz | O.O |
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| 23:18.02 | Vlat- | but nobody will trust me of course |
| 23:18.02 | nipplesrulz | tiebreaker please? lol |
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| 23:18.10 | Vlat- | either abrotman |
| 23:18.21 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: go read reviews at toms/anandtech etc |
| 23:18.28 | abrotman | Vlat-: huh ? |
| 23:18.41 | abrotman | sempron is like celeron for amd |
| 23:18.43 | Vlat- | abrotman: reviews 're suck |
| 23:18.51 | lucox | but you did'n't solve my problem ... only advice me to report it to package maintainer ... i would be more glad if i learn to complete compile from CVS |
| 23:18.53 | abrotman | Vlat-: they're just benchmarks .. |
| 23:18.54 | Vlat- | becouse paid-ware |
| 23:18.56 | glick | hey whats a fast debian mirror for net install? |
| 23:19.03 | abrotman | apt-spy |
| 23:19.06 | glick | last time i used ft.debian.us.org |
| 23:19.11 | glick | and they throttle you heavily |
| 23:19.32 | tra1a1a | lucox: some of them probably are. anyway if you report directly to the author the debian package will be fixed with bigger delay. if you report to the bts the package will be fixed sooner |
| 23:19.38 | abrotman | glick: shouldn't be that bad ... PSU has one .. MIT also |
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| 23:19.59 | abrotman | glick: but i don't get throttled from ftp.us.d.o |
| 23:20.10 | Vlat- | abrotman: there're about 400 PC-s, about of 20 of them are xp 2000+, as nipplesrulz said |
| 23:20.15 | glick | abrotman, yeah last time i was only like gettin 150 k |
| 23:20.16 | abrotman | not that i notice anyway |
| 23:20.19 | glick | took forever to install |
| 23:20.29 | abrotman | glick: i get 400+ from them |
| 23:20.39 | Vlat- | abrotman: they're REALLY sucking at DTP works, Intels 're ruling |
| 23:20.43 | abrotman | Vlat-: you're confusing me :) |
| 23:20.48 | lucox | tra1a1a: okey i'm going to report it, but have to teach how to report with reportbug :) and i still want to know where my problem is ... |
| 23:21.18 | Vlat- | Photoshop, Ilustrator, Freehand 8, these're the tasks |
| 23:21.19 | tra1a1a | lucox: compiling (including cvs) is not always something trivial. if you want to do it you should get familiar with the tools involved like autoconf, make, gcc, etc. |
| 23:21.21 | glick | ok well i gotta go and reinstall deb |
| 23:21.26 | abrotman | Vlat-: i just said it's probably a wash .. sempron vs athlon .. cache .. no cache .. speed .. die size etc .. i think it's a wash |
| 23:22.33 | Vlat- | abrotman: i didn't even tried to compare them, just answered to the guy question. |
| 23:22.43 | lucox | tra1a1a: i know make and gcc too ... i have there autogen.sh and running that and getting error that i have old pkg-config but i don't have old ... i want to solve this ... than i will continue ... |
| 23:22.59 | nipplesrulz | yeah all i do is rip dvd's tiny bit of light gaming irc watch vids |
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| 23:23.04 | abrotman | Vlat-: so did i .. but you kept talking to me .. i still think it's a wash .. i don't htink sempron is better . i think they are the same |
| 23:23.10 | nipplesrulz | run azureus and thats about the size of it |
| 23:23.30 | nipplesrulz | it only matters in windows really as debian runs so much asdfasfd better lol |
| 23:23.39 | nipplesrulz | <3 advanced taskmanaging of linux |
| 23:23.43 | Vlat- | abrotman: unfotently (either for me) Intel is faster... |
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| 23:24.06 | WhiteRabbit | much love for the korn |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | Vlat-: he didn't ask about intel .. at all .. so why are you blabbing about intel ? |
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| 23:24.19 | abrotman | neither Athlon or Sempron are intel chips |
| 23:24.20 | Vlat- | abrotman: let's accomplish it. micro-technology is at all it's end |
| 23:24.22 | kalango | HELLOW |
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| 23:24.30 | tra1a1a | lucox: as I said - get familiar with the tools involved. all of them. and don't expect to be able to solve it today (tonight). if you are not able to find your way around this you should wait for a fixed package |
| 23:24.31 | Vlat- | abrotman: 4ghz is the maximum |
| 23:24.34 | abrotman | kalango: /j #debian-br |
| 23:24.40 | abrotman | Vlat-: he didn't ask about intel .. |
| 23:24.44 | revenger | is there a way to free unattached nodes on a ext3 filesystem? |
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| 23:25.35 | tra1a1a | revenger: fsck? |
| 23:25.46 | abrotman | free them to do what ? |
| 23:25.47 | lucox | tra1a1a: u think that this close errror i cannot solve without knowledge of autoconf and automake ???? |
| 23:25.52 | kalango | HELP HELP |
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| 23:26.01 | abrotman | kalango: /j #debian-br |
| 23:26.04 | Vlat- | abrotman: did he asked about amd ? personally me use the both %) |
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| 23:26.16 | abrotman | Vlat-: yes .. he did .. /lastlog nipplesrulz |
| 23:27.01 | tra1a1a | lucox: I might be wrong but judging by the questions you're asking I think so |
| 23:27.04 | RvGaTe | abrotman: reboot fixed the whole dir problem.. it umounted and i got it removed |
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| 23:27.07 | Vlat- | abrotman: i have no xchat, but i trust you. If so, sorry them. |
| 23:27.08 | nipplesrulz | i was only concerned about semperon 2200+ vs atholon 2000+ but hey lol, because i can take the cpu and put from one to the other lol |
| 23:27.20 | abrotman | Vlat-: most other clients have /lastlog |
| 23:27.21 | nipplesrulz | of course the semperon being 2 years newer i guess has more abuse life in it lol |
| 23:27.34 | Vlat- | abrotman: office + mirc |
| 23:27.47 | abrotman | mirc has no /lastlog ? |
| 23:27.49 | abrotman | !mirc |
| 23:27.49 | dpkg | [mirc] http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html |
| 23:27.55 | abrotman | Vlat-: use xchat for win32 |
| 23:28.09 | Vlat- | abrotman: so if so, sorry 2x time, + see the log |
| 23:28.15 | nipplesrulz | wow /lastlog is the shit! omfg i cant believe no one told me about it before :/ |
| 23:28.20 | Vlat- | about Athlons |
| 23:28.21 | lucox | tra1a1a: i have many knowledges but on many battlefields and not bounded :) maybe u can help me with understanding of the problem ... |
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| 23:28.48 | Vlat- | if they're x64 and it's about linux/bsd - it's the GREAT |
| 23:28.55 | abrotman | !tell nipplesrulz about irc primer |
| 23:29.15 | Vlat- | they beated our x32 mysql database by 3x time |
| 23:29.15 | rob_lt | Hi. What's the prefered way to let root access X? Up time now, I've just been using xhost+ and then exporting display as root. |
| 23:29.46 | K_Dallas | ok guys! i have been digging in debian docs and googling and still cannot get this right. I appreciate any help: DSL connection is dropped for applications which go idel like browser but remains on for xchat for instance. each time i have to do poff -a and pon dsl-provider to get them back on line, what should i do? |
| 23:29.46 | abrotman | !mit-magic-cookie |
| 23:29.46 | dpkg | mit-magic-cookie is probably 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see sshx |
| 23:29.50 | nipplesrulz | ok im off to find a usb cable and rape the mem in this one and put in the other one.. dam thing came with lindows but hey not for long!!!!!!!!1 |
| 23:29.59 | tra1a1a | lucox: I know nothing about autoconf and automake. I have faced similar problems with configure in the past and I had to debug and modify the script to detect the correct verion of the packages installed. I would suggest you to try to the same. |
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| 23:30.06 | rob_lt | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 23:30.57 | abrotman | lucox: what package are you trying to compile ? |
| 23:31.24 | lucox | abrotman: evince from cvs ... i'm reading now the autogen.sh ... |
| 23:31.43 | tra1a1a | rob_lt: find the remote x apps mini howto on tldp.org |
| 23:31.50 | mikeX | did /etc/init.d/vsftpd change to /etc/init.d/vsftpd.dpkg-dist? |
| 23:32.37 | lucox | abrotman & tra1a1a : and i'm realising that it's using gnome-autogen.sh ... and when i run tht ... the same error with pkg-config |
| 23:32.55 | abrotman | what is evince ? |
| 23:32.57 | lucox | i'll read /usr/bin/gnome-autogen.sh :)) |
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| 23:38.33 | tra1a1a | is there a way to search the dpkg's topics? |
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| 23:38.50 | dondelelcaro | tra1a1a: yes. /msg dpkg help; look at listvals and listkeys |
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| 23:39.38 | tra1a1a | thanks |
| 23:40.28 | tra1a1a | oh, is it really learning from the channel? |
| 23:41.48 | abrotman | yes he does |
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| 23:41.57 | abrotman | !listauth abrotman |
| 23:41.57 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'abrotman' (15 of 36): CMD: nei (*.?) ;; apt archive ;; buckabeer ;; eft ;; helixlinux ;; install kde ;; jooc ;; mcp ;; nutate ;; qotd59 ;; qotd84 ;; qotd90 ;; refcard ;; scottish ;; sing resiak. |
| 23:41.59 | abrotman | see |
| 23:42.20 | abrotman | hey .. there's a sing resiak |
| 23:42.24 | abrotman | !sing resiak |
| 23:42.24 | dpkg | He's a resiak, resiak on the floor, And he's IRCing like he's never IRCed before. |
| 23:42.26 | lucox | abrotman & tra1a1a : i fonund the problem ... ./autogen.sh is using /usr/bin/gnome-autogen.sh and this script is chesking version with package --version .. so i checked the version of pkg-config ... pkg-config --version returns 0.10.0 but if i look in dpkg -l|grep pkg-config i see 0.17.2-1 ... not a bug of maintaining of pkg-config ?? |
| 23:42.29 | abrotman | oh .. so bad |
| 23:42.31 | tra1a1a | that's neet! |
| 23:42.56 | Vlat- | any questions about debian ? %) |
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| 23:44.03 | tra1a1a | lucox: it could be. to check it out use dpkg -l pkg-config and be sure that what you invoke is really the same pkg-config command |
| 23:46.16 | lucox | tra1a1a: okey now i fonund the problem ... i have 2 pkg-configs :) ... one the original 0.17.2 from package in /usr/bin/pkg-config and second /usr/local/bin/pkg-config which is running first as i write pkg-config ... how can i repair it ? ... rm -rf ? :) |
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| 23:47.16 | tra1a1a | the one in /usr/local has been probably installed from the sources. if you unpack the same sources there should be a make uninstall command |
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| 23:48.13 | lucox | tra1a1a: hehe i don't remember from which one :) so rm -rf ? or setting other order of PATH for searching binaries or what should i do ? |
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| 23:48.52 | sobersabre | guys... is there a way ( sound server or whatever ) to make system able to play several sounds together, incl. GAIM, skype and... say amarok ? |
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| 23:48.58 | Radiance | hmm, guys, is there a way with iptables like a module or so which allows a rule to be matched based on uid ? |
| 23:49.05 | dvs | sobersabre: ALSA |
| 23:49.05 | tra1a1a | and if you install from soruces for future you'll save yourself that kind of problems if you use the debian sources and create .debs from them |
| 23:49.13 | lucox | sobersabre: u have to correctly configure alsa |
| 23:49.24 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:49.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:49.27 | sobersabre | lucox & dvs, what exactly do I need to do ? |
| 23:49.32 | abrotman | !alsa |
| 23:49.32 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 23:49.54 | lucox | sobersabre: what are u asking ? :) |
| 23:50.05 | dvs | !u |
| 23:50.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:50.38 | sobersabre | how can i configure alsa,skype,gaim,amarok to make them play simultaneously ? |
| 23:50.47 | sobersabre | is there such thing ? |
| 23:51.04 | lucox | tra1a1a: yes now i'm able to build packages, but one year ago not .. |
| 23:51.07 | tra1a1a | lucox: both rm and reordering the PATH sucks. you should really remove everything from the package |
| 23:51.12 | sobersabre | i've noticed skype captures the sound devices somewhat exclusively |
| 23:51.29 | lucox | tra1a1a: yes but now not possible :) |
| 23:51.57 | lucox | tra1a1a: ok so rm -rf :) |
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| 23:52.07 | tra1a1a | lucox: it is not impossible for sure, but if you insist just pick up you favorit sucking solution and go for it |
| 23:52.58 | lucox | tra1a1a: hehe and how is possible to remove all files from installing some software from source one year ago ? :) |
| 23:53.22 | lucox | tra1a1a: adding ... and i don't know it's name :) |
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| 23:53.53 | Aronofsky | hi, does anynone know if amule will be available on apt soon in testing ? |
| 23:53.55 | lucox | tra1a1a: so in this moment i will use a sucking solution :) |
| 23:54.12 | Aronofsky | i saw this page ( http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/amule.html ) but didn't reaaly understand |
| 23:54.17 | tra1a1a | you do know its name and you do know its version - it's pkg-config 0.10.0 |
| 23:54.25 | entheon | does anyone here have a wireless keyboard or mouse, or does anyone know a good place to find ones that work? and i'm looking on google right now |
| 23:54.34 | lucox | tra1a1a: but u have true, it's better to build packages from every source .. |
| 23:54.38 | abrotman | !why is amule not in testing |
| 23:54.39 | dpkg | amule is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=amule |
| 23:55.23 | chealer | Aronofsky: unlikely, since sarge is freezed |
| 23:55.24 | lucox | tra1a1a: so you say that i shoul look in old repositories for pkg-config 0.10.0 ? :)) for look in the structure ? :) |
| 23:55.27 | tra1a1a | I didn't actually say that. I said that you should remove from the source what you have installed from the source |
| 23:55.33 | chealer | Aronofsky: or, not until sarge releases |
| 23:55.42 | lucox | tra1a1a: yes i understand ... |
| 23:55.57 | Aronofsky | dpkg, what does it mean, that it will be add soon or not ( sorry im new on debian ) |
| 23:55.59 | lucox | but i'll use a 'sucking' solution this time .. |
| 23:56.09 | tra1a1a | that's really up to you |
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| 23:56.35 | tra1a1a | dpkg: who are you |
| 23:56.36 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
| 23:56.54 | dvs | !botsnack |
| 23:56.54 | dpkg | dvs: thanks |
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| 23:57.35 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: First of all, dpkg is a bot |
| 23:57.59 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: Second, testing is frozen in preparation for a release. (Nearly) nothing but bugfixes will go into testing until after the release. |
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| 23:58.57 | Aronofsky | Wyzard, ok sorry lol, but it says on the page amule has no old version in testing (trying to add, not upamule is only 1 days old. It must be 2 days old to go in , doesn't it mean its on teh way to be added ?date), and |
| 23:59.11 | abrotman | Aronofsky: it won't get in most likely .. |
| 23:59.23 | RvGaTe | abrotman: how's the game going ? |
| 23:59.29 | abrotman | actually ... 99.99999% not getting in |
| 23:59.33 | abrotman | RvGaTe: go sox! |
| 23:59.47 | RvGaTe | abrotman: whats the score ? |
| 23:59.56 | abrotman | RvGaTe: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=250520102 |
