| 00:00.10 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: It would have to be in unstable for 2 days to even be *considered* to go into testing, but after that, it still won't, because testing is currently frozen |
| 00:00.42 | Wyzard | However... I was installing a sarge snapshot (of about two weeks ago) today and I'm pretty sure I saw amule in it... was it formerly in testing and got removed for some reason? |
| 00:00.52 | RvGaTe | abrotman: sox own ! |
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| 00:01.30 | Aronofsky | Wyzard, yes actually it was before, thats why im surprised |
| 00:01.52 | abrotman | Aronofsky: so go back and see why it was removed |
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| 00:02.12 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: Probably due to RC bugs, then... it has two which were resolved recently |
| 00:02.39 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: The policy during the freeze is that if a package goes for more than a few days with RC bugs unfixed, it will be removed |
| 00:03.12 | kelan | ooh only 54 release relevant rc bugs left |
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| 00:03.25 | kelan | maybe sarge will release by june 1 |
| 00:03.31 | dvs | ha! |
| 00:03.33 | K_Dallas | cool :) |
| 00:03.36 | Aronofsky | Wyzard, abrotman so what did you advice me to do to install it ? from source ? i saw on the site that they propose alternative apt mirrors , is it safe to get it from here ? |
| 00:03.37 | Vlat- | kelan: maybe |
| 00:03.49 | Vlat- | kelan: i hope by the aug 1 |
| 00:03.49 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: I'd just install it from sid |
| 00:03.53 | abrotman | me too |
| 00:04.00 | dvs | me three |
| 00:04.08 | abrotman | you don't count! |
| 00:04.08 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: Ask dpkg about pinning to learn how to install things from sid on a system that's not entirely sid |
| 00:04.11 | abrotman | he didn't ask you! |
| 00:04.17 | dvs | do two |
| 00:04.23 | Wyzard | do three! |
| 00:04.24 | Vlat- | (my BSD brother): maybe in 2006 %) |
| 00:04.24 | abrotman | or just install it .. and forget about it :) |
| 00:04.31 | Aronofsky | Wyzard, how can i do that |
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| 00:04.46 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 00:04.48 | Vlat- | AFAIK Sarge is the longest awaited distro |
| 00:04.55 | dvs | yup |
| 00:05.08 | dvs | 34 months and counting |
| 00:05.09 | Vlat- | too lot of packages |
| 00:05.16 | tra1a1a | so? |
| 00:05.21 | Wyzard | hmm... if it hasn't been done already, someone should graph (how long it took to release) vs. (how many packages were in the release), for each past release of Debian |
| 00:05.40 | WhiteRabbit | It will be the finest most stablist distro release in the history of linux eh!>?! |
| 00:06.09 | dvs | that's all we need. A comedian ;-) |
| 00:06.15 | kelan | was buzz the first debian release? |
| 00:06.18 | lucox | abrotman & tra1a1a : anyway thanx for help, it's compiling now ... |
| 00:06.40 | Vlat- | (my freefbsd brother): Calm, Linux people. everything will be all right |
| 00:06.44 | Wyzard | kelan: According to the website (http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive), yes |
| 00:07.01 | Vlat- | the situations it the same with BSD 5.0 |
| 00:07.02 | kelan | yeah thats where im looking, but it seemed odd to skip 1.0 |
| 00:07.04 | tra1a1a | lucox: it finally turned out that I was mistaken about your abilities to deal with it |
| 00:07.13 | Vlat- | absolutely the new system |
| 00:07.32 | chealer | !debian 1.0 |
| 00:07.33 | dpkg | i heard debian 1.0 is a mistake by InfoMagic. They released an unstable version of Debian as 1.0. Google groups archives the posting by Bruce Perens annoucing this at http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=m0tPBxF-000F9vC%40mongo.pixar.com |
| 00:07.37 | Aronofsky | Wyzard, thx for the informations |
| 00:07.41 | Wyzard | kelan: There was no 1.0 because some CD vendor put a pre-release of buzz on a CD and called it 1.0 |
| 00:07.52 | kelan | ah |
| 00:07.52 | Wyzard | kelan: so the project called the official release 1.1 to avoid confusion |
| 00:07.53 | lucox | tra1a1a: my questions sometimes sound little stupide novice :) i not so well spak english :) |
| 00:08.15 | Vlat- | my little brother (18 y'o') is BSD |
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| 00:08.35 | Wyzard | Vlat-: Your brother is an operating system? :-) |
| 00:08.50 | Vlat- | my, 29 y'o' is linux, but we're trying to help each other %) |
| 00:09.09 | Vlat- | Wyzard: even worse %) |
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| 00:09.44 | kelan | well buzz was released june 1996, and linux 0.01 was released sept 1991. which means buzz was even longer in coming than sarge |
| 00:09.56 | _gentgeen_ | How do I properly add a user without a password or login (similar to say clamav, or fetchmail, etc) |
| 00:10.00 | kelan | 5 years! |
| 00:10.06 | Vlat- | kelan: buzz like tracker ? |
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| 00:10.20 | Vlat- | there're was lot of buzz-es |
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| 00:10.38 | Wyzard | kelan: I don't think that's a valid analysis -- the Debian project wasn't started on the day Linus released version 0.01 of the kernel. :-) |
| 00:10.41 | kelan | dpkg says june 1996. shrug |
| 00:10.47 | kelan | but still! |
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| 00:10.58 | kelan | maybe not officially |
| 00:11.02 | Wyzard | Vlat-: Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story"... "buzz" is Buzz Lightyear. |
| 00:11.12 | Vlat- | btw, the paradox |
| 00:11.14 | kelan | but it was there in the subconcious |
| 00:11.41 | nipplesrulz | ok! added ram to this one! |
| 00:11.42 | Vlat- | CheiseTracker (or how it's called) it't now mainstream platform on OSX |
| 00:11.53 | Vlat- | even MANWE using it |
| 00:11.54 | nipplesrulz | how can i tell if it sees the whole GB not just half? >.< |
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| 00:11.58 | kelan | after linux was released, it was all just lead-up to the first debian releas |
| 00:11.59 | kelan | e |
| 00:12.13 | LSorense | nipplesrulz: 'free' |
| 00:12.26 | skel_home | what runlevel should I stick my lvm script? 1 ? |
| 00:12.31 | Vlat- | kelan: RH suck |
| 00:12.32 | Wyzard | nipplesrulz: Do you have highmem support enabled in your kernel? |
| 00:12.39 | nipplesrulz | Mem: 1036444 377304 659140 0 37024 173292 |
| 00:12.39 | nipplesrulz | -/+ buffers/cache: 166988 869456 |
| 00:12.39 | nipplesrulz | Swap: 1381548 0 1381548 |
| 00:12.59 | nipplesrulz | yep i believe its all there ^_^ sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:13.09 | nipplesrulz | now to make the linspire system into a debian system >:) |
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| 00:13.36 | skel_home | anyone using lvm ? |
| 00:13.36 | kelan | !tell nipplesrulz about d-i |
| 00:13.38 | kelan | :) |
| 00:13.39 | nipplesrulz | is there a way to make an install dvd of the setup i have in this one i e all the proggies and the extras etc to put in that one there? |
| 00:13.39 | Wyzard | skel_home: Probably depends on what the script does |
| 00:13.55 | kelan | skel_home: i am, but i installed it with the system, not afterwards |
| 00:14.00 | skel_home | Wyzard: its the default script that comes with the debian lvm packages. I can go check |
| 00:14.05 | Vlat- | nipplesrulz: there're the more easy way. just download the most current CD |
| 00:14.31 | skel_home | kelan: I did too.. though it doesn't create the device on boot-up.. only if I run /etc/init.d/lvm after logging in |
| 00:14.46 | kelan | really? did you use d-i to install? |
| 00:14.48 | Wyzard | skel_home: If it comes with a package, you don't need to install it manually because the package installs it |
| 00:15.19 | skel_home | Wyzard: well its not in rc2.d or rc1.d so its not getting executed. at least I think thats my problem |
| 00:15.22 | skel_home | kelan: yeah |
| 00:15.26 | nipplesrulz | vlat there are a lot of proggies on this machine that are not in the default one but hey.. i had a shitload of help making this one go so i guess its my turn to see what ive learned eh :P |
| 00:16.12 | Wyzard | skel_home: On my system I have rc0.d/S50lvm, rc6.d/S50lvm, and rcS.d/S26lvm |
| 00:16.14 | Vlat- | nipplesrulz: then make /etc/init.d/ scripts for them |
| 00:16.38 | nipplesrulz | ok! what package would i need to make the other system connect to the internet via usb? and can i stack towers on top of each other ? |
| 00:16.42 | Vlat- | if they're mp_shell.x , maybe i can help, put psssssss |
| 00:16.52 | Vlat- | nobody know about it |
| 00:16.55 | skel_home | Wyzard: and you use a LVM ? |
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| 00:17.00 | Wyzard | skel_home: yes |
| 00:17.08 | skel_home | Wyzard: same here.. just not in 1 and 2 |
| 00:17.16 | skel_home | ok maybe I'm missing something else then |
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| 00:17.41 | Wyzard | skel_home: Have you looked at your boot messages to see whether the script runs, and if it does, whether it gives any error messages? |
| 00:17.55 | skel_home | it even says starting up lvm blah blah.. but then freaks out cause the volume doesn't exist when it goes to mount it.. |
| 00:18.19 | skel_home | Wyzard: no.. no errors and it runs.. =/ |
| 00:18.28 | lucox | okej bye people |
| 00:18.37 | Wyzard | skel_home: Maybe your PVs are attached to controllers whose driver modules aren't loaded yet at that point, so the lvm script can't see them? |
| 00:19.12 | skel_home | Wyzard: hmm.. could be.. it is a scsi controller |
| 00:19.16 | skel_home | Wyzard: good thinking |
| 00:20.51 | Wyzard | skel_home: Is the SCSI controller's driver module listed in /etc/modules ? |
| 00:21.47 | Wyzard | skel_home: rcS.d/S20module-init-tools (or rcS.d/S20modutils on a 2.4 system) loads all the modules listed in /etc/modules before rcS.d/S26lvm runs |
| 00:22.50 | abrotman | Wyzard: xenosaga! |
| 00:23.00 | Wyzard | abrotman: FFX and Xenogears first |
| 00:23.21 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm about 2/3 through FFX, I think |
| 00:23.42 | Vlat- | ehh |
| 00:23.44 | skel_home | Wyzard: running a 2.6.x |
| 00:23.45 | Vlat- | again there |
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| 00:23.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: xenosaga! |
| 00:23.59 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:24.00 | Vlat- | questions => Vlat- |
| 00:24.05 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 00:24.09 | skel_home | damn I gotta get this thing a serial cable |
| 00:24.15 | Vlat- | at least for about 15 minutes |
| 00:24.21 | Wyzard | skel_home: A serial cable? What for? |
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| 00:24.36 | martin | how can i register a channel on freenode? it says i am not an op |
| 00:24.51 | skel_home | Wyzard: to console into so I don't need to drag a monitor from downstairs everytime it ceases to come back up =p |
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| 00:25.27 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 00:25.37 | martin | bonjour |
| 00:26.21 | skel_home | Wyzard: so the module for the scsi card wasn't in /etc/modules.. but is now.. you think that was it? |
| 00:26.29 | Wyzard | skel_home: Yes, probably |
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| 00:26.38 | skel_home | Wyzard: but I wonder.. how does it get loaded at all? |
| 00:26.42 | Wyzard | Marticus: http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming |
| 00:26.47 | skel_home | Wyzard: if I'm not loading it? |
| 00:27.01 | Vlat- | martin: check the login message |
| 00:27.02 | Aronofsky | got a little question , in my sources.list i got a line 'deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main' but not security lines for unstable, is it normal or should I add a security line for unstable ( search the web but didn't really understant what that line is for ) |
| 00:27.27 | skel_home | Aronofsky: there are no security updates for unstable |
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| 00:27.28 | Vlat- | Aronofsky: absolutely normal |
| 00:27.38 | Wyzard | skel_home: Could be something like discover or udev, or maybe you have an alias in place which lets the kernel autoload the module when something tries to open the device |
| 00:27.53 | Vlat- | Aronofsky: securety updates are only for stable releases |
| 00:28.00 | skel_home | Wyzard: ahh.. udev most likely ok thanks I'll go play with it |
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| 00:28.05 | martin | Wyzard, so can i register #foochannel or must i choose ##foochannel? |
| 00:28.07 | skel_home | Wyzard: thanks for your help and patience |
| 00:28.09 | Vlat- | Aronofsky: the way i use stable on servers |
| 00:28.45 | Aronofsky | Vlat, only for stable ? srtange because now i got it for testing ? no ? |
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| 00:29.17 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: testing is currently in pre-release freeze and will be released soon -- that's why it has security support |
| 00:29.27 | Aronofsky | Wyzard, ok |
| 00:29.28 | Vlat- | Aronofsky: make sure, from security.idontremeber.org |
| 00:29.41 | Vlat- | idontremember |
| 00:29.46 | Vlat- | is mine |
| 00:30.49 | Wyzard | Vlat-: security.idontremember.org does not exist |
| 00:31.02 | Vlat- | Aronofsky: in any case you CAN get the latest security updates, but what distro for.... |
| 00:31.30 | Vlat- | Wyzard: XP here |
| 00:31.31 | Aronofsky | Wyzard, another question, if i set testing and unstable as sources and that i specifiy in preference file taht testing has an higher priority than unstable, imagine i got a package install from testing at a version X and that a version X+1 exists on unstable, if i do apt-get upgrade, the package wont be upgraded, right ? |
| 00:32.12 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: That's how it's supposed to work, but I'm not an expert on pinning |
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| 00:32.26 | Aronofsky | anyone can confirm that ? |
| 00:32.30 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: You can check with "apt-cache policy <packagename>" what versions are available for a package, and which one apt will choose |
| 00:32.53 | pipeline | Aronofsky: If you didn't screw up your pinning, then yes. |
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| 00:33.15 | pipeline | Aronofsky: However, when you do that, be sure that you understand the difference between "apt-get -t unstable install foo" and "apt-get install unstable/foo" |
| 00:33.24 | martin | chanserv is telling me i must be op to register a channel? how can i be op if a channel isn't registered? |
| 00:33.25 | Vlat- | Aronofsky: only these packages would be updated, the major/minor number greater than in local depository |
| 00:33.34 | Neerlan_Amorim | Debian with kernel of FreeBSD 5.3? |
| 00:33.43 | Vlat- | Neerlan_Amorim: tried |
| 00:33.47 | pipeline | Neerlan_Amorim: It's an official debian project. |
| 00:34.06 | Vlat- | Neerlan_Amorim: sadomazochizm is two channels right %) |
| 00:35.10 | Vlat- | (brother) linux is linux, bsd is bsd, mixing these is just a headache |
| 00:35.24 | LSorense | Vlat-: mixing gnu and bsd is ok though |
| 00:35.24 | Vlat- | agree with him about BSDi |
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| 00:35.34 | abrotman | !debian k/bsd |
| 00:35.36 | Aronofsky | pipeline, actually i dont really get the difference |
| 00:35.39 | abrotman | bah .. it's somewhere in there |
| 00:35.57 | LSorense | Vlat-: I would love to play with a bsd kernel running debian userspace |
| 00:35.59 | abrotman | !debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 00:35.59 | dpkg | somebody said debian gnu/kfreebsd was a port that consists of the GNU userland on top of the FreeBSD kernel, coupled with the Debian tools and packages. There is a BSD libc5 port, but the Glibc port is being focused on more. http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or Penix' almighty official installation guide can be found here: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/kfreebsd/install.html |
| 00:36.08 | abrotman | LSorense: you're missing an 'n' |
| 00:36.13 | Neerlan_Amorim | http://www.br.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 00:36.14 | LSorense | abrotman: i left it at work |
| 00:36.20 | abrotman | yay |
| 00:36.27 | Vlat- | LSorensen: (brother) tried this, slow like a hell |
| 00:36.33 | LSorense | abrotman: hmm, no I left it on my parents firewal come to think of it, which I use from work |
| 00:36.38 | abrotman | !spell scythe |
| 00:36.39 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 00:36.42 | Vlat- | (brother) like VMWARE emulation |
| 00:36.43 | LSorense | Vlat-: oh well. :) |
| 00:36.44 | abrotman | dpkg: you stink |
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| 00:37.12 | Neerlan_Amorim | I found interesting |
| 00:37.35 | Aronofsky | pipeline, can you explain me briefly ? |
| 00:37.49 | Aronofsky | pipeline, just about that 2 comands |
| 00:37.50 | Neerlan_Amorim | linus is linus, bsd is bsd..... |
| 00:38.03 | abrotman | debian is debian |
| 00:38.06 | abrotman | what's the problem ? |
| 00:38.11 | Vlat- | (brother) BSD is BSD, Linux is Linux, any idea to mixing 2 absolutely two incompatible systems ? |
| 00:38.14 | Neerlan_Amorim | use linux or use bsd |
| 00:38.30 | abrotman | Neerlan_Amorim: it is gnu userland on a bsd kernel .. wht's so hard to understand ? |
| 00:38.45 | Vlat- | (vlad) POSIX somwhere isn't POSIX, check HP/UX |
| 00:39.13 | Vlat- | (brother) rather check VMS %))) |
| 00:39.14 | exeel | gnu's not unix - nor is it linux for that matter - thus GNU/Linux, GNU/Hurd - and in this instance - GNU/FreeBSD |
| 00:39.30 | Vlat- | (vlad) Absolutely agree, VMS rulez %)) |
| 00:39.36 | Wyzard | martin: When you join a channel that doesn't already exist, it is created for you, with you as an op |
| 00:39.56 | pipeline | Vlat-: The biggest incompatibility between FreeBSD and linux was the libc. There was an abortive project to port Debian to the FreeBSD kernel with a FreeBSD libc. That didn't last long. |
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| 00:40.03 | Wyzard | martin: So, /join the channel you want to create, and then register it |
| 00:40.28 | Vlat- | pipeline: there're compatibility libraries |
| 00:40.44 | Vlat- | (bro) Somewhere they're work |
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| 00:40.57 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.59 | abrotman | whoops |
| 00:41.15 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 00:41.29 | Neerlan_Amorim | abrotman, hard to understand |
| 00:41.30 | Vlat- | (Vlad) heheh, VMS-re probaljatok me valamit portolni |
| 00:41.30 | abrotman | Wyzard: i was seriously tempted to go to Flying Pig tonight |
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| 00:41.34 | abrotman | Neerlan_Amorim: why? |
| 00:41.50 | Wyzard | abrotman: I don't think I've heard of that, but I assume it's a bar or pub |
| 00:41.59 | [hC] | Is there a 'specially patched' exim4 in unstable or something? the config.autogenerated file that debian is using has a bunch of exim ifnet's in there that i dont see how they could possibly be set by anything, and this seems to be debian centric |
| 00:42.04 | abrotman | Wyzard: in malvern :) |
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| 00:42.55 | Vlat- | (Bro) 2 emelettel feljebb is iszok sort |
| 00:43.16 | Vlat- | (Vlat-) Ki tart vissza ? |
| 00:43.36 | Neerlan_Amorim | abrotman, the architecture of linux is total different of the BSD |
| 00:43.50 | Vlat- | (Bro) Megyek is fel. => Tovabiak, kellemes hetveget! |
| 00:43.58 | abrotman | Neerlan_Amorim: so what? |
| 00:44.07 | abrotman | i don't see the problem |
| 00:44.15 | abrotman | it's just a different kernel |
| 00:44.23 | abrotman | GNU userland runs on tons of different kernels |
| 00:44.29 | Vlat- | (Vlat-) Kellemes hetveget! / Happy weekend ! |
| 00:45.01 | Aronofsky | pipeline, last question ( sorry lol ), i want to install amule from unstable ( it not available on testing ) , do you advice to get deps from testing or from unstable too ? |
| 00:45.04 | tarzeau | Vlat-: what language is that? |
| 00:45.09 | Neerlan_Amorim | GNU's Not UNIX |
| 00:45.17 | pingouin | :) |
| 00:45.18 | abrotman | Aronofsky: just get the amule package from sid .. try that first |
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| 00:45.21 | Neerlan_Amorim | abrotman, GNU's Not UNIX |
| 00:45.23 | Vlat- | tarzeau: concretely what ? |
| 00:45.25 | Neerlan_Amorim | www.gnu.org |
| 00:45.28 | abrotman | Neerlan_Amorim: so what? |
| 00:45.35 | tarzeau | Vlat-: Kellemes hetveget! |
| 00:45.38 | abrotman | Neerlan_Amorim: you apparently don't understand computers |
| 00:45.42 | jim | Neerlan_Amorim: we know |
| 00:45.46 | Vlat- | tarzeau: sorry, but you're have 15 min, we're having 56 liters of beer here |
| 00:45.51 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: Depends on what the deps are... if it requires the unstable versions, then you must install them, but if it'll work with the testing versions, then you should use those |
| 00:45.59 | Vlat- | tarzeau: Hungarian |
| 00:46.16 | Vlat- | tarzeau: i'm Russian, but living here |
| 00:46.16 | tarzeau | Vlat-: we've had a similar amount of beer and fun |
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| 00:46.25 | Aronofsky | abrotman, Wyzard ok thx guys |
| 00:46.27 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: If it wants to pull in unstable versions of lots of packages, or fundamental stuff like libc, then you should probably not install it |
| 00:46.28 | tarzeau | Vlat-: i'm turkish, but living in switzerland |
| 00:46.44 | Neerlan_Amorim | abrotman, jim, :( |
| 00:46.46 | tarzeau | Vlat-: Jo Mellek! |
| 00:46.51 | Vlat- | tarzeau: maybe dedicated channel for such meetplace ? # turhun invite ? %$) |
| 00:47.00 | Wyzard | Aronofsky: (If that happens, ask dpkg about "simple sid backport") |
| 00:47.09 | jim | I'm trying to get the libs for openssl... I seem to have those (libssl0.9.7, openssl) but what package contains the corresponding dev stuff? |
| 00:47.17 | Wyzard | jim: libssl-dev |
| 00:47.24 | Wyzard | jim: I'm not sure why the package name is inconsistent |
| 00:47.30 | jim | Neerlan_Amorim: I just got here... could you briefly explain your point? |
| 00:47.33 | tarzeau | Vlat-: 02:47 [gnu] -!- Cannot join to channel #turhun (You have joined to too many channels) |
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| 00:47.42 | tarzeau | Vlat-: if you can rape freenode operators to remove the fucking limit |
| 00:47.45 | jim | Wyzard: thanks |
| 00:48.10 | racerr | hello, I've got a problem with lilo. when I've installed debian and reboot, I get lots of "01 01 01 01 01" all over the screen isntead of the regular "loading lilo ...." |
| 00:48.18 | racerr | slackware works |
| 00:48.22 | abrotman | jim: he can't understand the debian gnu/kfreebsd project |
| 00:48.23 | racerr | and im using lilo there too |
| 00:48.31 | tarzeau | racerr: can you try GRUB? |
| 00:48.36 | abrotman | or reinstall lilo :) |
| 00:48.40 | jim | abrotman: oh, ok |
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| 00:48.44 | racerr | I've reinstalled lilo |
| 00:48.46 | racerr | alot of times |
| 00:48.54 | racerr | tarzeau: I cannot access the internet |
| 00:48.59 | racerr | since I cannot compile a new kernel |
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| 00:49.03 | racerr | with support for my nics |
| 00:49.10 | Vlat- | tarzeau: btw, we're watching TURKEYSAT $) |
| 00:49.14 | jim | abrotman: a technical point about it? or something else? |
| 00:49.20 | Wyzard | racerr: Check the lilo docs... that 01 code has a specific meaning to tell you what the problem is |
| 00:49.23 | tarzeau | racerr: what's yer nick? nvidia? |
| 00:49.25 | Vlat- | the member of EUROSATw41 |
| 00:49.30 | Neerlan_Amorim | abrotman, I'm understand you |
| 00:49.34 | racerr | tarzeau: yea, nForce2 built in |
| 00:49.41 | jim | racerr: can't compile your kernel? howcome? |
| 00:49.43 | racerr | Wyzard: where can I find those? |
| 00:49.47 | Neerlan_Amorim | jim, I'm understand you |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | jim: dunno . ask him |
| 00:49.51 | racerr | jim: its lilo not booting :P |
| 00:49.58 | tarzeau | Vlat-: know mustafa sandal, arabasi var? |
| 00:50.00 | racerr | so I cannot boot my NEW kernel, or any kernel with lilo |
| 00:50.08 | racerr | I have to boot the default 2.4.18 with the cd |
| 00:50.14 | racerr | rescbf24 root |
| 00:50.15 | tarzeau | racerr: yes that sucks |
| 00:50.33 | Vlat- | (andrej) anyone! any HW question, till i'm sleep ? |
| 00:50.34 | racerr | may this have anything todo that I got debian on hdb3 |
| 00:50.34 | racerr | ? |
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| 00:50.34 | jim | racerr: so you just plain can't get into your installation... grub has a very interesting shell... you can use it to boot just about anything |
| 00:51.12 | Wyzard | racerr: http://www.dirac.org/linux/lilo/lilo.html (Learn to use Google...) |
| 00:51.12 | Vlat- | (Vlat-) SW questions are mine %) |
| 00:51.12 | jim | you can do the little pieces of the boot process |
| 00:51.13 | racerr | jim: ok ok |
| 00:51.13 | racerr | thanks Wyzard |
| 00:51.15 | jim | then later put them together into an automatic on-powerup situation |
| 00:51.29 | jim | it's nice for debugging your boot situation |
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| 00:51.30 | Vlat- | andrej: in any case, the oscilloscope and other things are MINE %) |
| 00:51.34 | Wyzard | racerr: You can find other useful docs if you search |
| 00:51.44 | jim | in that shell, the tab key is your excellent friend |
| 00:52.19 | Wyzard | jim: If Linux were MultiBoot-compliant, grub could be used to preload kernel modules, too, so there'd be no need of an initrd |
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| 00:53.38 | rob_lt | Hi. I'm having major problems with my external DVD writer. I plug it in, and dmesg shows "scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery:" and I can't seem to access it and k3b doesn't recognize it. |
| 00:53.38 | Neerlan_Amorim | jim, I'm hunger..... good bye |
| 00:53.42 | Neerlan_Amorim | lucius, vamos lanchar :p |
| 00:53.42 | rob_lt | this is kernel 2.6.8-2 |
| 00:53.42 | Vlat- | rob_lt: writer ? |
| 00:53.42 | jim | Neerlan_Amorim: I'm still not sure I understand your point... but since you're leaving it doesn't seem that important, at least up to this point |
| 00:53.42 | Aronofsky | so to get amule from unstable but deps from testing ( higher priority in my preference file ) i typed aptitude install amule/unstable |
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| 00:53.43 | Aronofsky | it tells me : The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: |
| 00:53.43 | Aronofsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.47 | lucius | Neerlan_Amorim, vamos vamos |
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| 00:54.02 | Aronofsky | but i got no information to know if those package will be installed from testing or unstable ? |
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| 00:54.14 | jim | Neerlan_Amorim: I'm still curious about it, but not to the point of wanting to know if you don't want to tell me |
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| 00:54.34 | Vlat- | Aronofsky: in any way it will be earliest package (andrej) tried it |
| 00:54.41 | chealer | Aronofsky: those not available from testing will be installed from unstable |
| 00:54.50 | Vlat- | Aronofsky: rather dl sources and compile (andrej) |
| 00:55.32 | bghfhfg | When I try to log in to KDE, the session immediately restarts and I get thrown back to the login screen. What's wrong? |
| 00:55.32 | rob_lt | Vlat-: yes, external DVD writer. I just unplugged it and plugged it back in, and I can't even lsusb now, it just hangs. |
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| 00:55.35 | chealer | bghfhfg: KDE crashing? does gnome or something else work? |
| 00:55.35 | racerr | &n |
| 00:55.35 | Neerlan_Amorim | lucius, Debian comanda |
| 00:55.35 | Wyzard | bghfhfg: Without more information/investigation, it could be any of a large number of things |
| 00:55.40 | tarzeau | !nodm |
| 00:55.40 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 00:55.43 | lucius | Neerlan_Amorim, Freebsd comanda merm?o! |
| 00:55.46 | Aronofsky | Vlat-, yes and for updates, deps resolving and uninstall, how did you do with source install ... |
| 00:55.47 | tarzeau | chealer: haha you are hilarious |
| 00:56.02 | Vlat- | rob_lt: for the first, download the newest kernel, then compile it with your device support |
| 00:56.05 | Neerlan_Amorim | lucius, vc corre risco de vida falando isso aqui |
| 00:56.06 | lucius | Neerlan_Amorim, E silent! |
| 00:56.08 | bghfhfg | chealer: Command line login and startx work fine. |
| 00:56.30 | Wyzard | bghfhfg: The KDE session is crashing for some reason |
| 00:56.35 | tarzeau | bghfhfg: try xdm or wdm if you really can't live without gui logins |
| 00:56.38 | Neerlan_Amorim | lucius, Debian is r0x |
| 00:56.51 | Wyzard | bghfhfg: Try this... startx /usr/bin/X11/xterm |
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| 00:57.08 | Wyzard | OK, he just left... |
| 00:57.08 | lucius | Neerlan_Amorim, sux |
| 00:57.08 | lucius | hiuAHEIUH |
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| 00:57.21 | Vlat- | bghfhfg: echo ~/.xinitrc < òâîé_window_manager |
| 00:57.49 | chealer | tarzeau: I think I talked too fast...gnome has no reason to not work with what he said, right? |
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| 00:58.01 | Vlat- | òîëüêî â ëèíóõå îíî çàðàáîòàåò èëè íåò - õç |
| 00:58.02 | LunarCrisis | I've installed the xfonts-artwiz package, but I can't seem to use the fonts. Is there something more I have to do to set them up? |
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| 00:58.15 | tarzeau | LunarCrisis: try xterm -fn lime |
| 00:58.20 | tarzeau | LunarCrisis: works? works! |
| 00:58.24 | b1ayze | How does debiuan work when dealing with apt-gets. For exemple i just apt-get installed xfce and i ended up with 4.0.6. Is there so much wrong in the newer version for not installing those^ |
| 00:58.47 | Vlat- | LunarCrisis: xfontsel |
| 00:58.47 | Wyzard | Vlat-: That entire last line of yours appeared to me as vowels with accent marks |
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| 00:58.47 | Vlat- | LunarCrisis: what does it said |
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| 00:58.50 | tarzeau | b1ayze: got sid? |
| 00:59.04 | b1ayze | sarge |
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| 00:59.18 | jim | b1ayze: usually it installs the highest version available at the sources you specified in sources.list |
| 00:59.23 | LunarCrisis | Vlat-, it says 6612 names match |
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| 00:59.34 | Vlat- | Wyzard: sorry, but it's Vlad, what was the line, and what was the question > |
| 00:59.34 | Vlat- | Wyzard: sorry, but it's Vlad, what was the line, and what was the question ? |
| 00:59.35 | LunarCrisis | tarzeau, it seems to work |
| 00:59.37 | tarzeau | b1ayze: b1ayze experimental has 4.2.1 |
| 00:59.44 | rob_lt | Vlat-: I'm going to try with usbmgr installed, before I compile a new kernel. brb |
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| 00:59.53 | Wyzard | Vlat-: òîëüêî â ëèÃóõå îÃî çà ðà áîòà åò èëè Ãåò - õç |
| 01:00.01 | b1ayze | cool, sad i don<T run experimental |
| 01:00.10 | tarzeau | b1ayze: you can't run it anyways |
| 01:00.16 | abrotman | Wyzard: can you repeat that ? |
| 01:00.17 | Vlat- | Wyzard: didn't see anything |
| 01:00.25 | tarzeau | b1ayze: it's an addong for (i guess, preferably) sid |
| 01:00.35 | tarzeau | s,g,,1 |
| 01:00.43 | racerr | Wyzard: checked google now, and that error code isnt an error code |
| 01:00.49 | LunarCrisis | Vlat-, oh cool, this is the program I was looking for =D |
| 01:03.20 | jasoncohen | has anyone had a problem with debian where any kernel choice leads to "no inittab file found: choose runlevel" |
| 01:03.20 | b1ayze | So debian judged version above 4.0.6 where to buggy for their unstable release^ |
| 01:03.21 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:03.21 | abrotman | were too ? |
| 01:03.21 | b1ayze | Or am i missing something |
| 01:03.21 | tarzeau | b1ayze: no the maintainer of the package did |
| 01:03.21 | LunarCrisis | although I'm wondering if it's also supposed to show up in individual applications's font menus? |
| 01:03.21 | jim | b1ayze: the effect is that, yes. |
| 01:03.22 | tarzeau | b1ayze: when was it release, how long have you been using it (the latest, you think is so great)? |
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| 01:03.22 | jasoncohen | any runlevel choice leads to the same affect- "nothing more to do" |
| 01:03.22 | Wyzard | b1ayze: Keep in mind that since sarge is in freeze right now, some maintainers are choosing not to put new versions into unstable because it would interfere with their ability to get bugfixes into sarge |
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| 01:03.23 | jim | right, the maintainer is the one to have judged, possibly with input from other people |
| 01:03.23 | jasoncohen | it's probably a hardware problem but i'm not sure |
| 01:03.23 | Vlat- | LunarCrisis: calm up, GTK+ or GTK2 ? (Andrey) |
| 01:03.23 | Wyzard | b1ayze: So some packages are being put into experimental just to keep them out of unstable for that reason |
| 01:03.24 | LunarCrisis | Vlat-, err, sorry? |
| 01:04.17 | LunarCrisis | Vlat-, I'm not sure what you mean |
| 01:04.17 | tarzeau | Wyzard: that's not the only reason |
| 01:04.18 | abrotman | jasoncohen: did you remove it ? |
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| 01:04.18 | Vlat- | LunarCrisis: there're 2 toolkits, gtk and gtk2 |
| 01:04.18 | b1ayze | Well _great_, i don<t really think its is so great. I just want to change display resolution, and everyone i ask howto are pointing me at some place that i dont have on my 4.0.6 version. lol |
| 01:04.18 | LunarCrisis | how do I find out? |
| 01:04.18 | jasoncohen | abrotman, unfortunately i can't. I only have one HD to test with. |
| 01:04.18 | Vlat- | LunarCrisis: gtk2 are more modern |
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| 01:04.18 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Not the only reason why XFCE isn't up-to-date in sid, or not the only reason why maintainers are putting updates in experimental? |
| 01:04.18 | jasoncohen | abrotman, i suspect it's a dying mobo as it says the second disk failed even though there was no second disk |
| 01:04.19 | Vlat- | LunarCrisis: Vlat- is sleeping IMHO, I'm D level |
| 01:04.19 | abrotman | jasoncohen: or a bad cable ..try another |
| 01:04.19 | nipplesrulz | yay! |
| 01:04.19 | LunarCrisis | Vlat-, looks like I have gtk2 |
| 01:04.20 | Wyzard | b1ayze: Screen resolution is an XFree86 thing... XFCE can only choose among resolutions that XFree86 is configured to support anyway |
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| 01:04.20 | nipplesrulz | ok now to find a usb cable |
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| 01:04.27 | jasoncohen | abrotman, there's another HD on the same cable and it works fine. Mandriva 2005 LE is installed on that HD |
| 01:04.37 | b1ayze | I know that, i added resolutions there in xfree. |
| 01:04.37 | jim | theres alot of thoz in the werld |
| 01:04.37 | LunarCrisis | Vlat-, actually I have 2 of them installed |
| 01:04.37 | tarzeau | Wyzard: the latter |
| 01:04.43 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Why else? |
| 01:04.43 | x2 | hi, how do i execute an opengl program in a window instead of fullscreen? |
| 01:04.44 | b1ayze | Just dont know where to select them in the xfce gui. |
| 01:04.58 | Wyzard | x2: That's something that the program controls, not you |
| 01:05.06 | abrotman | jasoncohen: kind of rules out the mobo doesn't it ? |
| 01:05.19 | Wyzard | x2: If the program provides options you can use to control its behavior, use those. If not, there's not much you can do. |
| 01:05.21 | x2 | im getting 0.6 fps and it is ridiculously slow |
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| 01:05.23 | jasoncohen | abrotman, i'm going to see if FC3 installs on the HD. if it doesn't then it's most likely the HD. |
| 01:05.24 | tarzeau | Wyzard: dangerous but can't be tested for all cases |
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| 01:05.30 | b1ayze | Because it might be cool to add alot of display res in text mode in the conf file, but between you and me, it is not there that it is usefull lol. :) |
| 01:05.31 | abrotman | jasoncohen: why not just reinstall sarge ? |
| 01:05.43 | jharrison | tarzeau: ping |
| 01:05.46 | tarzeau | Wyzard: doesn't want to waste buildd resources, it can be like anything |
| 01:05.49 | tarzeau | jharrison: pong |
| 01:05.55 | jasoncohen | abrotman, huh, we just tried a fresh install of sarge on that disk. this is not my box |
| 01:05.58 | x2 | Wyzard: on the guys website, he has it in a window |
| 01:06.00 | jharrison | tarzeau: bub-n-bros? |
| 01:06.11 | jasoncohen | abrotman, first we tried installing when it was the second disk but it wasn't showing up correctly in the BIOS |
| 01:06.32 | tarzeau | jharrison: it's 3 am here |
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| 01:06.32 | jasoncohen | then we connected the drive as the primary master and removed the mdk disk |
| 01:06.39 | Wyzard | x2: Then the program is presumably capable of running in a window, but the way to make it do so is specific to the program |
| 01:06.42 | jasoncohen | before it wouldn't even boot grub |
| 01:06.47 | jasoncohen | when the HD was set as slave |
| 01:06.56 | tarzeau | jharrison: i'll go sleeping. g'night |
| 01:07.04 | abrotman | jasoncohen: dying drive ? |
| 01:07.04 | Wyzard | x2: There's no generic universal method to control whether a program fullscreens itself or not |
| 01:07.21 | b1ayze | Okay just to be clear with you guys, can i install newer versions of xfce on my sarge^ |
| 01:07.24 | x2 | Wyzard: hrmm.. ok, thanks |
| 01:07.28 | atrus | i'm looking at upgrading a woody box to sarge. it's got a lot of iptables rules saved up via the now-deprecated init.d/iptables script. can i expect this script to continue working properly after the upgrade? |
| 01:07.30 | jharrison | tarzeau: ok |
| 01:07.33 | jharrison | tarzeau: goodnight |
| 01:07.55 | Wyzard | b1ayze: You can if you pull them from unstable, or use an unofficial backport |
| 01:08.05 | jasoncohen | abrotman, we just purchased it. it's a new seagate. it's possible, but i'm skeptical due to the fact that the mobo was saying the slave HD failed even when no slave HD was connected |
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| 01:08.23 | b1ayze | That gotta be fun |
| 01:08.59 | b1ayze | So i guess its a matter of xfce guys then |
| 01:08.59 | Wyzard | b1ayze: Rather than worrying about new versions of XFCE, why not just look at the documentation for the version you have? |
| 01:08.59 | jasoncohen | abrotman, is it possible fc3 will install and run and the HD or mobo can still be the cause of the problem? perhaps debian is more sensitive |
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| 01:09.34 | abrotman | jasoncohen: linux is linux :) |
| 01:09.53 | b1ayze | Haha i<m not worrying i<m having a conversation Wyzard ;p |
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| 01:10.53 | abrotman | jasoncohen: yes .. kernels could be different . but for the most part .. linux is linux :) |
| 01:10.54 | Wyzard | b1ayze: You sound like you're complaining that unstable doesn't have XFCE 4.2.1. |
| 01:11.12 | jasoncohen | abrotman, welll, we'll find out if that's true shortly :) |
| 01:11.35 | jasoncohen | is the sarge installer generally pretty reliable? |
| 01:11.42 | resiak | abrotman: You don't remember making my song? :-( |
| 01:11.46 | doublehp | is there a awy to catch the output of dialog without using a temp file ? |
| 01:11.48 | b1ayze | It<s ok, i may have sounded that way. ;) |
| 01:12.05 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: Most people seem to think it is |
| 01:12.15 | j_k | jasoncohen: generally yes. Which doesn't mean you shouldn't backup. |
| 01:12.39 | abrotman | resiak: it was so long ago |
| 01:12.39 | Wyzard | jasoncohen: With the intended release date two weeks away, I'd certainly hope it is |
| 01:12.39 | abrotman | !factinfo sing resiak |
| 01:12.39 | dpkg | sing resiak -- created by abrotman <~abrotman@pcp03723050pcs.potshe01.pa.comcast.net> at Thu Feb 17 02:39:03 2005 (92 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by abrotman, 1h 30m 11s ago. |
| 01:12.41 | abrotman | resiak: only 6 times |
| 01:12.51 | jasoncohen | j_k, there's nothing to back up. this is a brand new drive |
| 01:13.03 | resiak | abrotman: True. But only three months ago... |
| 01:13.11 | jasoncohen | and i already transferred /home from the other drive to my fileserver |
| 01:13.11 | abrotman | wow ... |
| 01:13.23 | abrotman | resiak: i thought it was much longer ago |
| 01:13.50 | jharrison | abrotman: bub-n-bros? |
| 01:13.51 | resiak | abrotman: Yeah. Oh well. |
| 01:13.56 | abrotman | jharrison: tarzeau said it sucks |
| 01:14.01 | abrotman | resiak: noone sings my song anymore :)( |
| 01:14.18 | jharrison | abrotman: so why is he playing it all the time? |
| 01:14.22 | abrotman | jharrison: he's an addict .. crack sucks .. people still smoke it |
| 01:14.38 | jharrison | abrotman: ok fine |
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| 01:14.46 | abrotman | jharrison: not in sarge |
| 01:15.23 | jharrison | abrotman: can install from source |
| 01:15.24 | resiak | :sing abrotman |
| 01:15.28 | jharrison | abrotman: very easy |
| 01:15.28 | resiak | Erm. |
| 01:15.29 | resiak | !sing abrotman |
| 01:15.29 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 01:16.30 | doublehp | on which forum can I ask general LInux questions ? I have a lot of problem not specifically related with my distributions ... so, those questions have no place on distribution forums, nor IRCs |
| 01:16.32 | resiak | ##linux ? |
| 01:16.32 | atrus | for that matter, is there anything resembling a guide or list of potential issues when upgrading from woody to sarge? |
| 01:16.33 | jharrison | abrotman: tarzeau has packages but im not sure if they are all good yet |
| 01:16.33 | Ronin | doublehp: #linux or even www.linuxquestions.org |
| 01:16.38 | jharrison | abrotman: I think he was working out a few things |
| 01:16.42 | Wyzard | atrus: That'd be the installation guide, but I'm not sure whether it's been written yet |
| 01:16.56 | jharrison | abrotman: http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/bub-n-bros/bubbros-1.4.tar.bz2 |
| 01:17.07 | jharrison | abrotman: just aptitude install pygame |
| 01:17.34 | abrotman | god damn that's a big download |
| 01:17.34 | jharrison | abrotman: then extract and cd into directory and run the executable |
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| 01:17.42 | jharrison | 8mb? |
| 01:18.22 | jharrison | thats not big |
| 01:18.22 | jharrison | thats very small |
| 01:18.22 | jharrison | take 1 second |
| 01:18.22 | jharrison | takes |
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| 01:18.23 | j_k | artus: have a look at http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 01:18.24 | jasoncohen | it takes 1 second for you to download 8 mb...damn, i want your internet connection |
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| 01:19.04 | jharrison | my internet connection is only 500kb/s |
| 01:19.04 | jasoncohen | that's not even possible on Internet 1 |
| 01:19.04 | jharrison | well |
| 01:19.04 | jharrison | sometimes more then that |
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| 01:19.14 | jasoncohen | so you meant 16 seconds |
| 01:19.14 | jharrison | but average I guess |
| 01:19.14 | jharrison | for what? |
| 01:19.21 | jharrison | for 8mb download? |
| 01:19.30 | jharrison | no I meant I dont even see it pop up on the screen |
| 01:19.44 | jharrison | its just done in the blink of an eye |
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| 01:20.38 | Jacobo221 | what package does /etc/modules pertain to? |
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| 01:20.56 | jharrison | ok |
| 01:20.56 | b1ayze | Wyzard, can you beleive the docs from xfce have no search button^ :D |
| 01:21.00 | jharrison | let me test then |
| 01:21.22 | jharrison | any suggestions as to what to test with? |
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| 01:21.43 | jharrison | I know I will bittorrent a debian cd |
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| 01:21.49 | FieldySnuts | big dick contest? |
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| 01:22.21 | jharrison | FieldySnuts: yes |
| 01:22.27 | abrotman | jharrison: that's .. bad |
| 01:22.47 | resiak | No, it's just that I don't think you can fetch 8mb in a second on a 500kb/s line |
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| 01:23.19 | abrotman | jasoncohen: are you sure about that ? |
| 01:23.26 | abrotman | 500kb isn't that much |
| 01:23.39 | jharrison | abrotman: im testing now |
| 01:23.59 | jasoncohen | abrotman, does he mean 500 KBytes or 500 kbits? |
| 01:23.59 | abrotman | OC48 does exist |
| 01:23.59 | Shibz | I made a startup script for a program I want to load when the system is starting up and it doesn't load it when i restart |
| 01:23.59 | abrotman | jasoncohen: either way .. not that much |
| 01:24.10 | jasoncohen | yeah, even at 4 mbits (500 KB) it's still approx 16 seconds |
| 01:24.11 | abrotman | OC48 is what .. 255Mb/sec ? |
| 01:24.14 | Shibz | is there any easy place like rc.local where i can just stick the one line i want to run? |
| 01:24.23 | jasoncohen | OC3 is 155Mb/sec |
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| 01:24.33 | jasoncohen | that would be fast enough to do 8 MB/sec |
| 01:24.38 | FieldySnuts | OC48 is in Gbps range |
| 01:24.57 | abrotman | OC12 (speed: 655mbps) and OC48 (speed: 2.4Gbps) |
| 01:25.04 | nunez | OC256 exists |
| 01:25.06 | abrotman | jasoncohen: you sure internet1 can't do that ? :) |
| 01:25.06 | nunez | and more |
| 01:25.14 | jim | so an oc3 is approx 3 t3s |
| 01:25.14 | jasoncohen | but that's for the backbone of the internet |
| 01:25.27 | abrotman | jasoncohen: still exists :) |
| 01:25.41 | jasoncohen | i don't think a regular user can attain speeds much in excess of 20 mbit or so |
| 01:25.47 | nunez | Im trying to burn a .img file with k3b and have done before, but this file says its a "plain text" img file and not iso9660 format, anyway to convert it? |
| 01:25.57 | jasoncohen | i've gotten 30-40 mbit/s on internet2 |
| 01:26.23 | abrotman | jasoncohen: if i pay for OC12 to my house .. and have all the hardware .. why cna't i get that speed ? |
| 01:26.23 | chealer | !tell Shibz about rc.local |
| 01:26.34 | nunez | jasoncohen, I'm sure there are companys and gov. that has those types of connects that doesnt host the backbone of the net |
| 01:26.44 | j_k | abrotman: you still got to find something that will send you data at that speed.. |
| 01:26.46 | abrotman | !sing resiak |
| 01:26.47 | dpkg | He's a resiak, resiak on the floor, And he's IRCing like he's never IRCed before. |
| 01:26.53 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 01:27.01 | abrotman | j_k: my neighbor with the same connection! |
| 01:27.02 | FieldySnuts | !irritate ravenbird |
| 01:27.03 | dpkg | ravenbird: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound plz msg me, Shibz |
| 01:27.13 | Vlat- | abrotman: i have 6xE1, why don't i have this speed ? |
| 01:27.13 | abrotman | nfc |
| 01:28.36 | j_k | abrotman: if it's for download, you need a big big big raid0 array, too :-) |
| 01:28.36 | FieldySnuts | or xfs and a lot of ram |
| 01:28.36 | jharrison | hhmmm |
| 01:28.36 | jharrison | problem with tracker |
| 01:28.36 | abrotman | j_k: raid0 sucks ass |
| 01:28.37 | j_k | abrotman: I meant something that stores data quickly. |
| 01:28.37 | Vlat- | and where's (andrejxE1) |
| 01:28.37 | abrotman | j_k: like fibre drives? |
| 01:28.38 | abrotman | and raid0 still sucks |
| 01:28.42 | jharrison | ok its going now |
| 01:28.47 | abrotman | how about solid state ram drives ? |
| 01:28.59 | jharrison | I was just downloading sarge-netinst.iso at 653KB/s |
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| 01:29.06 | Vlat- | regardless is ARVID |
| 01:29.25 | FieldySnuts | i get 720KB/s at work, big deal |
| 01:29.25 | jharrison | abrotman: bub-n-bros? |
| 01:29.31 | abrotman | jharrison: bad bad game |
| 01:29.40 | jharrison | I get 2000KB/s at work |
| 01:29.46 | abrotman | jharrison: you work for a hosting company |
| 01:29.49 | Vlat- | dudes, +36703708624, please check |
| 01:29.50 | jharrison | abrotman: so |
| 01:29.58 | abrotman | so ? |
| 01:29.59 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:30.02 | jharrison | abrotman: yeah so what |
| 01:30.09 | Vlat- | I'm the brother of number |
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| 01:30.19 | abrotman | jharrison: you've got what coming in to that building ? T3 ? |
| 01:30.19 | abrotman | OC12 ? |
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| 01:30.24 | abrotman | err OC3 |
| 01:30.48 | Vlat- | will check via SS7 the signal termination |
| 01:30.49 | jharrison | abrotman: couple OC48s and couple OC3s |
| 01:30.50 | abrotman | right .. |
| 01:30.55 | abrotman | exactly my point |
| 01:31.10 | jharrison | abrotman: over fibre too |
| 01:31.19 | abrotman | i only get 2000kbps .. boo hoo |
| 01:31.22 | Shibz | I think I set my script up right in init.d but it still doesn't start when the system boots |
| 01:31.26 | FieldySnuts | !medal jharrison |
| 01:31.31 | jharrison | abrotman: want me to downloading something to you? |
| 01:31.31 | Vlat- | Ronin: it's my wor.. life %)) |
| 01:31.36 | abrotman | jharrison: think about that |
| 01:31.36 | jharrison | abrotman: for you I mean |
| 01:31.47 | jharrison | abrotman: can fedex it to you overnight :-P |
| 01:31.47 | j_k | Shibz: you need links in /etc/rcN.d, check man update-rc.d |
| 01:32.02 | Shibz | i did |
| 01:32.09 | abrotman | jharrison: my bandwidth is just fine |
| 01:32.11 | Shibz | they are all in there |
| 01:32.18 | j_k | Shibz: run-parts compatible name ? |
| 01:32.18 | jharrison | abrotman: got that 4-way opteron the other day |
| 01:32.29 | jharrison | abrotman: runs debian64 very nicely |
| 01:32.38 | abrotman | jharrison: i noticed |
| 01:32.51 | jharrison | abrotman: still missing some ram though |
| 01:32.54 | jharrison | stupid vendor |
| 01:33.01 | Shibz | #/etc/rc5.d/S20mtd |
| 01:33.06 | abrotman | stupid procurer :) |
| 01:33.49 | liable | Shibz: does the script error, when you run it? |
| 01:33.49 | j_k | Shibz: are you in runlevel 5 ? |
| 01:33.49 | jharrison | abrotman: so you going to play or what? |
| 01:34.04 | abrotman | jharrison: i did .. it was bad |
| 01:34.06 | Shibz | yes i am in runlevel 5, and i have no idea if it errors |
| 01:34.19 | liable | Shibz: run it |
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| 01:34.31 | Shibz | when i run it manually it works fine |
| 01:34.31 | jharrison | abrotman: oh ok |
| 01:35.12 | jharrison | abrotman: so what about enemy territory then? |
| 01:35.12 | abrotman | jharrison: but i think Wyzard likes to play video games |
| 01:35.13 | liable | Shibz: whats it for? |
| 01:35.13 | llama32 | whats the best chanel to talk about gui design? |
| 01:35.13 | abrotman | jharrison: i'm watching the sox :) |
| 01:35.13 | Shibz | but the stuff goes by so fast when the system boots i can't see what it says |
| 01:35.13 | jharrison | abrotman: baseball? |
| 01:35.13 | j_k | Shibz: you did include the #! header ? (bash doesn't need it to run scripts.) |
| 01:35.24 | Shibz | 1 sec, i will upload script to server |
| 01:35.24 | jharrison | abrotman: or the sox in your closet |
| 01:35.24 | jharrison | :) |
| 01:35.37 | jharrison | abrotman: thats about how exciting baseball is |
| 01:35.38 | jharrison | hehe |
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| 01:35.43 | Vlat- | oh, there're the ATC, Andrey |
| 01:35.54 | Vlat- | earlier than expected, 3.35 |
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| 01:36.07 | Vlat- | expected LHBP 4.00 |
| 01:36.07 | liable | Shibz: check your logs too, you may want to run it latter in the process, to make sure anything it relies on, is loaded |
| 01:36.08 | jharrison | guess ill go read a good book then |
| 01:36.10 | abrotman | jharrison: i like baseball .. certainly better than soccer/futbol |
| 01:36.19 | jharrison | abrotman: whateva |
| 01:36.21 | abrotman | see |
| 01:36.34 | abrotman | you play with your national pasttime .. i'll play with mine |
| 01:36.35 | jharrison | abrotman: the sox are red or white? |
| 01:36.36 | abrotman | red |
| 01:36.54 | jharrison | abrotman: they still have that dominican dude pitching right? |
| 01:37.06 | jharrison | pedro martinez |
| 01:37.08 | jharrison | or something |
| 01:37.19 | Shibz | http://216.66.12.100/~shibz/shibz/mtd <--script |
| 01:37.19 | abrotman | jharrison: who ? |
| 01:37.30 | abrotman | jharrison: no |
| 01:37.30 | jharrison | abrotman: no? |
| 01:37.30 | jharrison | abrotman: he left? |
| 01:37.37 | abrotman | jharrison: mets player now |
| 01:37.43 | jharrison | what is the world coming to |
| 01:37.45 | nvz | so whats the deal with unrar? has it been removed from non-free? |
| 01:37.51 | jasoncohen | btw, how does FC3 compare to debian testing in terms of stability? |
| 01:38.04 | abrotman | jasoncohen: dunno ..we use debian :) |
| 01:38.15 | nvz | not to mention why is "freenode-connect" conducting usage statistics all of a sudden? |
| 01:38.20 | jharrison | nvz: I think it was put up for adoption |
| 01:38.21 | jharrison | ors omething |
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| 01:38.33 | abrotman | nvz: dunno .. ask a staff member |
| 01:38.34 | chealer | nvz: antispam measure |
| 01:38.40 | nvz | jharrison: well that doesnt mean it should have been removed though |
| 01:38.47 | jharrison | nvz: thats true |
| 01:38.57 | jharrison | nvz: what distro |
| 01:38.57 | nvz | chealer: heh, bans anyone using windows or mirc? |
| 01:38.57 | j_k | Shibz: seems good to me. |
| 01:38.57 | jharrison | nvz: sid? |
| 01:40.25 | pureone | i havent been banned yet... but someone i know is saying he cant get on the server |
| 01:40.25 | liable | Shibz: try changing the S no, so it starts later ie 98. |
| 01:40.26 | jharrison | im banned from the #mandrake channel |
| 01:40.26 | silverton | is gnome 2.10 packaged yet? |
| 01:40.28 | jharrison | I joined and said hello and they banned me |
| 01:40.28 | llama32 | rofl |
| 01:40.29 | nvz | sarge. there was unrar-nonfree, then I updated because it said the package wasnt found, and it not even in the package manager anymore. Not to mentionm its not listed on p.d.o anymore |
| 01:40.29 | liable | hah |
| 01:40.29 | liable | nasty |
| 01:40.29 | nvz | dpkg, rofl? |
| 01:40.29 | dpkg | [rofl] Rolling Over Fat Lesbian |
| 01:40.29 | pureone | by the way i just set my ctcp to say mirc but someone i know keeps getting the message "your mirc is outdated and a security risk you can not join here" |
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| 01:40.47 | nvz | dpkg, yinzersmite llama32 |
| 01:40.52 | jharrison | nvz: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/unrar-nonfree |
| 01:41.36 | Shibz | im using mirc now =p |
| 01:41.36 | jharrison | abrotman: did you hear that manny ramirez is gay? |
| 01:41.36 | abrotman | jharrison: so what ? |
| 01:41.40 | jasoncohen | abrotman, FC3 successfully installled and booted up. could it be the sarge installer? |
| 01:41.40 | jharrison | abrotman: heh |
| 01:41.42 | abrotman | !tell jharrison about gay |
| 01:41.45 | jharrison | abrotman: just kidding |
| 01:41.50 | jharrison | no dont tell jharrison about gay |
| 01:41.55 | abrotman | jasoncohen: which kernel did you use for the sarge installer ? |
| 01:41.58 | jharrison | abrotman: whats wrong with you? |
| 01:42.04 | abrotman | jharrison: i don't say pele is gay :) |
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| 01:42.16 | liable | is he? |
| 01:42.19 | silverton | ROFL! |
| 01:42.23 | nvz | jharrison: hmm, so if he needs unrar on sarge, he has to pull from sid? |
| 01:42.28 | silverton | dpkg calls gnome a "barely usable piece of crap" |
| 01:42.28 | jasoncohen | abrotman, 2.6.8 |
| 01:42.31 | jharrison | nvz: guess so |
| 01:42.43 | abrotman | jasoncohen: you could try the 2.4 option |
| 01:42.46 | jharrison | abrotman: no one in their right mind would believe that pele is gay |
| 01:43.02 | jharrison | dudes |
| 01:43.02 | dondelelcaro | all dessktop environments by definition are barely useful pieces of crap |
| 01:43.07 | silverton | werd |
| 01:43.09 | jharrison | Shibz: stop the shiat |
| 01:45.40 | silverton | except, OSX's |
| 01:45.41 | abrotman | jharrison: so why should i believe that some guy in a sport you know nothing about is gay ? .. and why since you're a god-fearing individual .. you'd even joke about it |
| 01:45.41 | silverton | OSX's is leet |
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| 01:45.41 | dondelelcaro | uh, no. |
| 01:45.41 | dondelelcaro | There are NO EXCEPTIONS. |
| 01:45.41 | jharrison | abrotman: oh simmer down |
| 01:45.41 | silverton | anyone know if gnome 2.10 is packaged yet? |
| 01:45.41 | abrotman | jharrison: i'm perfectly calm .. at least until foulke blows another save :) |
| 01:45.41 | abrotman | silverton: why? |
| 01:45.41 | jharrison | abrotman: if I had known you were going to be this touchy I would not have pressed you |
| 01:45.41 | jharrison | :-P |
| 01:45.41 | chealer | silverton: http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/gnome-2.10-experimental-2005-04-18-18-37 |
| 01:45.41 | dondelelcaro | there may be grades of uselessness and utter craptitude... |
| 01:45.41 | silverton | abrotman, I wish to know before I install it :P |
| 01:45.42 | silverton | er, install debian |
| 01:45.42 | abrotman | silverton: instal what? |
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| 01:45.42 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel experimental |
| 01:45.42 | jharrison | abrotman: so who is winning? |
| 01:45.42 | jharrison | abrotman: who are they playing? |
| 01:45.42 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.10.1-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 364 kB, Installed size: 856 kB |
| 01:45.42 | abrotman | jharrison: sox right now .. braves |
| 01:45.42 | jharrison | ew |
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| 01:45.43 | silverton | thanks |
| 01:45.43 | jharrison | I have severe hatred for the braves |
| 01:45.43 | jharrison | so does my wife |
| 01:45.43 | jharrison | we dont like GA that much |
| 01:45.43 | jharrison | and atlanta sucks |
| 01:45.43 | davis | hello |
| 01:45.43 | Shibz | liable: thanks, changing the number to 98 started it up |
| 01:45.43 | jharrison | plus there is that whole deliverance thing |
| 01:45.48 | liable | Shibz: sweet |
| 01:46.07 | davis | lately, my webserver has been shutting down by itself. I get this in the log: [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 01:46.26 | davis | any idea what could be wrong? |
| 01:46.26 | jharrison | davis: thats not good |
| 01:46.26 | WhiteRabbit | jharrison, bs |
| 01:46.27 | jharrison | davis: could be a sign of something bad |
| 01:46.35 | jharrison | davis: like a compromise |
| 01:46.39 | jharrison | WhiteRabbit: bs? |
| 01:46.39 | davis | i dont see anything in my logs |
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| 01:46.50 | jharrison | davis: how big are your logs? |
| 01:47.01 | abrotman | metamucil! |
| 01:47.12 | jharrison | abrotman: mmmmm fibre |
| 01:47.15 | davis | jharrison: which log? error.log? |
| 01:47.26 | jharrison | davis: all your web server logs |
| 01:47.34 | jharrison | davis: du -sh /var/log/apache/* or something |
| 01:47.44 | davis | 1.7M and 828K |
| 01:47.53 | jharrison | thats not bad |
| 01:48.13 | jharrison | I dont know that SIGTERMs are a very usual thing with apache though |
| 01:48.20 | abrotman | that's ok .. my samba keeps crashing .. and it's on sarge ... |
| 01:48.20 | jharrison | I would think that sounds supicious |
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| 01:48.33 | jharrison | davis: does it do this often? |
| 01:48.41 | davis | daily |
| 01:48.41 | jharrison | davis: or just from time to time |
| 01:48.54 | jharrison | davis: within seconds of each other? |
| 01:48.54 | abrotman | !sing thomas_adam |
| 01:48.55 | dpkg | thomas_adam was an IRCer, alas he is no more, for what he thought was H2O was H2SO4 |
| 01:48.56 | jharrison | davis: or just once a day |
| 01:49.02 | davis | once a day. |
| 01:49.08 | davis | it was down last night. |
| 01:49.08 | jharrison | davis: hhmmm |
| 01:49.13 | thomas_adam | Hmmm? |
| 01:49.16 | jharrison | davis: maybe a config problem or something |
| 01:49.16 | abrotman | davis: about 640AM ? |
| 01:49.21 | resiak | !sing grigora |
| 01:49.27 | resiak | !sing greycat |
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| 01:49.31 | resiak | abrotman: ^^^ |
| 01:49.37 | davis | i brought the server back up around 6pm and when I returned home 3 ours later its down again. |
| 01:49.39 | abrotman | greycat used to have a song |
| 01:49.47 | abrotman | davis: oh |
| 01:49.47 | resiak | !be greycat barbie |
| 01:49.53 | resiak | Hmm. |
| 01:49.53 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 01:49.57 | abrotman | dpkg: hello |
| 01:49.58 | dpkg | salut, abrotman |
| 01:49.58 | patad | hello |
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| 01:50.07 | abrotman | thomas_adam: agreed |
| 01:50.07 | patad | how can i fix Gtk problems |
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| 01:50.07 | abrotman | !sing g4lt |
| 01:50.08 | dpkg | sometimes he p4rks in h4ndic4pped sp4ces, while h4ndic4pped people m4ke h4ndic4pped f4ces, g4lt's 4n 4ssshoooole... |
| 01:50.11 | chealer | nvz: freenode must simply be banning people with windows when they say G N A A :) |
| 01:50.13 | thomas_adam | patad: What's wrong with them? |
| 01:50.26 | alindeman | Hah |
| 01:50.34 | patad | thomas_adam, xchat wont start becuase of the error Gtk Warning - cannot open display |
| 01:50.37 | davis | at 19:26:42 it sigterm'd |
| 01:50.38 | nvz | chealer: oh well, fauk em. |
| 01:50.50 | thomas_adam | patad: You need to run it as the same user that invoked X11. |
| 01:50.50 | abrotman | patad: stop running x or xchat as root |
| 01:50.59 | patad | thanks guys |
| 01:51.07 | jasoncohen | chealer, what does G N A A mean? |
| 01:51.07 | thomas_adam | patad: And if that user is root, that's a bad thing to do. |
| 01:51.08 | davis | at 19:25:56 is my last access entry. |
| 01:51.10 | resiak | !gnaa |
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| 01:51.19 | patad | thomas_adam, i understand, i was still in root lol |
| 01:51.29 | jharrison | well its time to kick the tired and lite the fires |
| 01:51.37 | thomas_adam | patad: You laughed at root? |
| 01:51.37 | chealer | jasoncohen: sign of mental illness from whoever talks about it |
| 01:51.39 | jharrison | sigh |
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| 01:51.42 | jasoncohen | chealer, heh |
| 01:51.43 | patad | no i laughed at me still being in root |
| 01:51.45 | jharrison | well its time to kick the tires and lite the fires |
| 01:52.05 | jharrison | mmmm fireworks |
| 01:52.22 | nvz | I just found myself two free tires today :) |
| 01:52.22 | jharrison | this has to the the only country where every few weeks we have fireworks |
| 01:52.34 | abrotman | nvz: do you live in a landfill ? |
| 01:52.49 | jharrison | abrotman: why is your mind always in the gutter |
| 01:52.52 | abrotman | jharrison: like disneyworld has them every night ? |
| 01:52.58 | jharrison | abrotman: or in this case the landfill |
| 01:53.03 | jharrison | abrotman: disneyworld sucks |
| 01:53.18 | rob_lt | Well, usbmgr really fscked up my system... it was running at about 1/3 its normal performance. I've re-installed hotplug, and things are back to normal. |
| 01:53.50 | jharrison | rob_lt: excellent |
| 01:53.50 | jharrison | rob_lt: carry on |
| 01:53.54 | abrotman | jharrison: maybe .. but they still have them every night |
| 01:53.54 | kingsley | Is my understanding correct that exim3 relays better when not run under (x)inetd? |
| 01:53.54 | mirak | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:53.54 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.54 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.01 | rob_lt | well, I'm trying to stop my external usb dvd writer from locking up. |
| 01:54.01 | nvz | abrotman: no I found them in an alley in ambridge, a lady was throwing them out |
| 01:54.06 | resiak | mirak: Are you running Sid? |
| 01:54.18 | mirak | what does this mean in words ? |
| 01:54.20 | jharrison | rob_lt: im not one to stand in the way of progress |
| 01:54.25 | nvz | abrotman: they were decent used tires off a cavalier than happen to fit my 89 beater |
| 01:54.30 | mirak | resiak: almost |
| 01:54.34 | resiak | mirak: It means that the package depends on newer versions of other packages than are in Sid. |
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| 01:54.40 | abrotman | nvz: you drive a beater ? .. ever try driving a mixer ? |
| 01:54.46 | resiak | mirak: If you're running Sid, you get to pick up the pieces. Define "almost". |
| 01:55.24 | rob_lt | jharrison: you're just full of great advice, aren't you ;) |
| 01:55.24 | jharrison | rob_lt: well I do my best |
| 01:55.24 | mirak | resiak: it's ubuntu ... ^^ |
| 01:55.24 | resiak | !ubuntu |
| 01:55.24 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story" |
| 01:55.24 | kelan | oh lord |
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| 01:55.47 | mirak | resiak: give me a break it's a semantic question about apt |
| 01:55.47 | jharrison | ubuntu gives me a headache |
| 01:55.51 | resiak | mirak: That's irrelevant. I'm in Ubuntu, I would have answered your question soon enough in there too. |
| 01:55.51 | mirak | the question is about apt |
| 01:55.54 | nvz | abrotman: 1989 Chevrolet Beretta (Beater) |
| 01:55.54 | resiak | mirak: s/U/#U/ |
| 01:56.04 | dondelelcaro | mirak: not really. In this case it's because apt needs to install libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1; but can't because 1.0.1-1 is going to be installed. |
| 01:56.04 | abrotman | i wish ubuntu would give me head .. then it would be good for something |
| 01:56.24 | dondelelcaro | mirak: this is basically a pure Ubuntu issue. |
| 01:56.24 | abrotman | nvz: my dad drove a beretta GTZ :) |
| 01:56.24 | jharrison | abrotman: if you do yoga long enough you can give yourself head |
| 01:56.25 | dondelelcaro | !depends libvorbis0a |
| 01:56.25 | dpkg | libvorbis0a: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libogg0 (>= 1.1.2) |
| 01:56.25 | nvz | abrotman: the tires seem to be the original ones that have been recapped in like 92 |
| 01:56.31 | abrotman | nvz: then he tried to drive it over a toll booth |
| 01:56.35 | mirak | dondelelcaro: my question was about semantic |
| 01:56.43 | dondelelcaro | !depends libavcodec2 |
| 01:56.52 | nvz | abrotman: and I am up here in PA and need to get back home this weekend :P |
| 01:56.52 | dondelelcaro | mirak: and I've answered your question... |
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| 01:56.59 | mirak | dondelelcaro: yes thanks |
| 01:57.04 | abrotman | nvz: you're here again ? |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | nvz: primanti bros ? |
| 01:57.11 | nvz | yep |
| 01:57.13 | dondelelcaro | !+info libavcodec2 |
| 01:57.14 | dpkg | Package 'libavcodec2' does not exist. |
| 01:57.20 | kelan | hah |
| 01:57.22 | nvz | abrotman: nope. |
| 01:57.24 | kelan | maybe thats the problem |
| 01:57.28 | abrotman | nvz: do eet! |
| 01:57.29 | nvz | abrotman: I am about broke. |
| 01:57.36 | dondelelcaro | (as further evidenced by the fact that libavcodec2 doesn't even exist) |
| 02:00.17 | abrotman | nvz: you should sell somehting :) |
| 02:00.17 | jharrison | nvz: would you like to go into a business venture? |
| 02:00.17 | mirak | dondelelcaro: in this case is it a a problem of binaries .debs, or even the sources cannot help ? |
| 02:00.17 | resiak | mirak: ASK ON #UBUNTU! |
| 02:00.17 | kelan | heh |
| 02:00.17 | nvz | abrotman: probably like $0.40 in my pocket and less than that on my available credit |
| 02:00.17 | dondelelcaro | mirak: no, this is a case where you need to be able to install libvorbis0a >= 1.1.0-1 if you want the marriat packages of libavcodec2 to work |
| 02:00.17 | abrotman | nvz: and where are you going to go with .80 ? |
| 02:00.18 | dondelelcaro | mirak: since your version of ubuntu doesn't appear to have them, it won't work. |
| 02:00.18 | nvz | abrotman: to werk |
| 02:00.18 | jharrison | nvz: I will supply you with a "package" which you will deliver and drop off in a certain "location" and you will get 1000 US dollars 500 before and 500 after |
| 02:00.18 | abrotman | nvz: in PA ? |
| 02:00.18 | dondelelcaro | mirak: that whole line of questioning belongs in Ubuntu. |
| 02:00.18 | jharrison | nvz: what do you say? |
| 02:00.18 | dondelelcaro | s/U/#u/ |
| 02:00.19 | nvz | abrotman: so I can pay to get more gas and then get my new found tires mounted and balanced |
| 02:00.19 | mirak | dondelelcaro: ok, I wasn't sure it was not a problem of compiling a version against some other sources etcetera |
| 02:00.19 | abrotman | nvz: oh ok |
| 02:00.19 | dondelelcaro | mirak: that's the root of the problem, but it's not the fault of the binary packages. They're designed for unstable, and you're running ubuntu. |
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| 02:00.23 | kelan | dpkg: a/s/l? |
| 02:00.23 | dpkg | I'm a bot. Fucker. |
| 02:00.23 | jharrison | hehe |
| 02:00.23 | nvz | jharrison: I am not taking any bombs to kawfees house, even though it would be great to finally be rid of him |
| 02:00.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:00.23 | jharrison | nvz: not bombs |
| 02:00.28 | jharrison | nvz: just certain plant materials |
| 02:00.39 | jharrison | nvz: ill call the bushmen up right now and arrange everything ok? |
| 02:01.31 | nvz | jharrison: where are you at? |
| 02:01.40 | jharrison | nvz: .bs |
| 02:02.34 | nvz | I only need like $30 |
| 02:02.42 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: a/s/l? |
| 02:02.42 | dpkg | I'm a bot, dipshit. |
| 02:02.43 | nvz | I am going back to town to work monday |
| 02:03.59 | jharrison | I liked im a bot. Fucker. better |
| 02:04.00 | resiak | dpkg: list |
| 02:04.01 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 02:04.01 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: a/s/l? |
| 02:04.01 | dpkg | I'm a bot, moran. |
| 02:04.05 | jharrison | hehe |
| 02:04.05 | jharrison | moran |
| 02:04.05 | jharrison | :D |
| 02:04.05 | jharrison | heheheh |
| 02:04.05 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: fix that would ya, moron! :0 |
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| 02:04.06 | dondelelcaro | dan2: 'taint broken. |
| 02:04.06 | abrotman | i think that was part of the joke dan2 |
| 02:04.35 | dan2 | abrotman: heh |
| 02:04.56 | dan2 | abrotman: I don't think there is anything more boring than reading a book on UML or rfc 3261 |
| 02:05.46 | dan2 | its a really good idea, but writing UML takes more patience than anybody I know |
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| 02:29.33 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up |
| 02:29.39 | kelan | apt! |
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| 02:30.00 | kelan | apt: yo |
| 02:30.01 | apt | Yo wazzaaaap my brotha?! |
| 02:30.01 | abrotman | dan2: yeah .. and i was on walnut/gay for iron hill .. didn't see coyote crossing though :) |
| 02:30.13 | kelan | apt: i'm tired of talking to dpkg. hes so boring |
| 02:30.32 | abrotman | dan2: oh wait .no i wasn't |
| 02:31.00 | abrotman | dan2: it was down one block farther .. i didn't go down that road .. grr |
| 02:31.05 | LunarCrisis | I've installed the artwiz fonts package, and when I run xfontsel I can see them there, but is there a way to make them appear in places like font chooser in KDE apps? |
| 02:31.53 | abrotman | dan2: iron hill is market/high .. oh well |
| 02:32.03 | toukitsune | could someone tell me what to do. Debian doesn't have mozilla firefox 1.0.4 and I need 1.0.4 in order to upgrade applications in firefox. Does anyone know what I should do? |
| 02:32.18 | jorgp | toukitsune: sid has 1.0.4 |
| 02:32.26 | dan2 | abrotman: ever been to desert moon? |
| 02:32.51 | toukitsune | yes but I use sarge |
| 02:32.55 | abrotman | dan2: nurp |
| 02:32.56 | furrywolf | tou: don't use the upgrades? :) |
| 02:33.08 | dan2 | abrotman: they make really fresh, light mexican food |
| 02:33.15 | toukitsune | furrywolf I wanted to download an application for firefox |
| 02:33.23 | abrotman | dan2: i'm not a super big mexican person .. but iron hill has yummy food |
| 02:33.23 | dan2 | abrotman: its right in that Walmart shopping center on 100 and 30 |
| 02:33.34 | toukitsune | you know the extentions for firefox |
| 02:33.35 | dan2 | abrotman: its really good mexican |
| 02:33.46 | abrotman | dan2: like .. we had some quesadillas .. yum yum |
| 02:34.01 | Guerin | toukitsune: just use the static builds from mozilla.org |
| 02:34.06 | dan2 | abrotman: sly fox has really good beer battered fries |
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| 02:34.14 | dan2 | abrotman: the best local ones anyway |
| 02:34.19 | abrotman | furrywolf: i saw foxiness join a while ago |
| 02:34.25 | toukitsune | Guerin: that would work fine on debian? |
| 02:34.25 | glick | excuse me, i think i synced to a mirror that wasnt correctly updated |
| 02:34.29 | glick | mirror.kernel.org |
| 02:34.32 | abrotman | dan2: sly fox is just the best brewery i've been to .. :) |
| 02:34.35 | furrywolf | abrotman: I'm not sure he/she is a fox. :P |
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| 02:34.39 | abrotman | furrywolf: oh |
| 02:34.44 | glick | when i downloaded mozilla-firefox it got version 1.0.3 |
| 02:34.46 | dan2 | abrotman: ya, its good |
| 02:34.50 | abrotman | glick: that happens |
| 02:34.50 | glick | isnt the latest like 1.4? |
| 02:34.51 | ro0t | is apt going to support multilib soon? |
| 02:34.57 | dan2 | abrotman: the owner was my neighbor for 7 years |
| 02:35.00 | abrotman | dan2: though .. bullfrog in williamsport has better burgers i think |
| 02:35.15 | dan2 | abrotman: real nice guy |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | multiarch ? |
| 02:35.20 | Guerin | toukitsune: sure. Put it in /usr/local/ and symlink it to /usr/bin/firefox |
| 02:35.20 | dan2 | abrotman: Pete Giannopoulos |
| 02:35.28 | abrotman | dan2: as long as the beer is yummy :) |
| 02:35.31 | ro0t | 64 and 32 bit |
| 02:35.34 | glick | abrotman, how can i have it sync to an up to date one? |
| 02:35.34 | toukitsune | kk |
| 02:35.37 | abrotman | that's multiarch |
| 02:35.40 | Guerin | toukitsune: you want to remove your debian firefox package first |
| 02:35.43 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 02:35.51 | abrotman | !bearch |
| 02:35.53 | abrotman | err |
| 02:35.55 | abrotman | !biarch |
| 02:35.59 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:36.00 | toukitsune | gah the stuff I have to do in order to use my banks website |
| 02:36.05 | glick | isnt mirrors.kernel.org |
| 02:36.09 | glick | correctly maintained? |
| 02:36.44 | abrotman | glick: sometimes they sync at different times |
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| 02:36.54 | Guerin | glick: what distro are you using? |
| 02:36.58 | glick | abrotman, you running testin? |
| 02:37.06 | glick | Guerin, im runnin testin |
| 02:37.12 | Guerin | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
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| 02:37.16 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24368 kB |
| 02:37.23 | dan2 | abrotman: the only issue with sly fox is you can't find six-packs at places like Roccos |
| 02:37.24 | abrotman | glick: yes . why ? |
| 02:37.24 | Guerin | glick: the mirror is fine, it's your expectations which are broken. |
| 02:37.34 | furrywolf | lightweight? LOL |
| 02:37.42 | glick | Guerin, what do you mean? |
| 02:37.43 | abrotman | dan2: that doesn't bother me .. i just go there :) |
| 02:37.55 | Guerin | glick: 1.0.3 is in sarge. |
| 02:38.05 | Guerin | as per the bot's output above |
| 02:38.07 | glick | Guerin, sarge is soo to be stable |
| 02:38.08 | dan2 | abrotman: I don't usually head into phoenixville, but If I do, I stop there |
| 02:38.10 | glick | im running testing |
| 02:38.13 | jorgp | since sarge is frozen, 1.0.3 of firefox it what it will always have I guess |
| 02:38.15 | Guerin | glick: yes. |
| 02:38.20 | abrotman | Guerin: i thikn you got them confused :) |
| 02:38.21 | dan2 | abrotman: they have an amazing barbeque sandwich, its amazing |
| 02:38.24 | Guerin | glick: sarge==testing at the moment. |
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| 02:38.29 | abrotman | dan2: the pork bbq :) |
| 02:38.34 | dan2 | abrotman: oh yeah |
| 02:38.35 | glick | Guerin, so im fine? |
| 02:38.39 | abrotman | glick: why is your mirror out of sync ? |
| 02:38.40 | Guerin | glick: WHEN sarge stabilises, you can run etch, the new testing. |
| 02:38.42 | chealer | jorgp: the firefox maintainer asked for 1.0.4 to enter sarge |
| 02:38.45 | Guerin | glick: yes. |
| 02:38.51 | glick | sweet! |
| 02:38.55 | jorgp | chealer: excellent |
| 02:38.57 | abrotman | chealer: and denied ? |
| 02:39.35 | dan2 | abrotman: at exton beverage they sell slyfox beer tho, and coke in glass bottles |
| 02:39.43 | chealer | abrotman: no answer yet. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01301.html |
| 02:39.50 | glick | lol sarge will be stable for like another 10 years before etch becomes the new stable |
| 02:40.03 | abrotman | hopefully |
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| 02:40.28 | chealer | glick: yeah, next release will be 1.3, too |
| 02:40.36 | LunarCrisis | how do I chose what font X should use? |
| 02:40.44 | dan2 | abrotman: what my dad says is, "Microbrewerys will never brew bad beer." |
| 02:40.55 | Guerin | where would it end, though? 1.0.5 will be released soon, and then I suppose he'll want that to be brought in |
| 02:41.00 | MrKeuner | hi, when ı change fstab as /dev/hdc /dvd blablabla. The dvd icon created when hdc is mounted does not have an option eject disc but umount instead. is this a debian thing or a policy? what is the trick behind that? |
| 02:41.01 | abrotman | dan2: i've had horrible beers at microbrews |
| 02:41.01 | theccsscontact | what time is it im lazy |
| 02:41.04 | glick | debians looong as release cycles are a little extreme |
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| 02:41.09 | dan2 | abrotman: heh |
| 02:41.10 | abrotman | !date |
| 02:41.10 | dpkg | The current date is Sat May 21 02:41:11 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 02:41.16 | theccsscontact | usa east |
| 02:41.20 | dan2 | abrotman: fine, Sly Fox and Victory will never brew bad beers |
| 02:41.22 | snadge | obscure networking question |
| 02:41.24 | abrotman | theccsscontact: do the math |
| 02:41.28 | theccsscontact | lol |
| 02:41.34 | chealer | Guerin: it's all a question of whether upstream really focuses on stability in the AVIARY branch |
| 02:41.34 | IDC | in debian with apt-get install php4 ,where is the actural path php is installed ? |
| 02:41.45 | IDC | i think it's /usr ? |
| 02:41.48 | snadge | is it possible to have the OS close tcp connections when you've lost your ppp session.. instead of having to wait a rediculously long time for them to timeout? |
| 02:41.49 | chealer | IDC: use dpkg -L php4 |
| 02:41.50 | dan2 | abrotman: Victory's Ole Horizontal! |
| 02:41.51 | dan2 | :) |
| 02:41.57 | abrotman | dan2: the rasberry wheat at iron hill is too rasberry |
| 02:42.04 | chealer | IDC: in this case since php4 is a metapackage that won't help much |
| 02:42.20 | chealer | IDC: however use dpkg -L on the dependencies of php4 |
| 02:42.21 | abrotman | the strawberry wheat at lancaster brew isn't really wheat .. and way way too much strawberry |
| 02:42.41 | dan2 | abrotman: you can't go wrong with the Victory HopDevil |
| 02:42.52 | IDC | chealer, it reports /. /usr /usr/share /usr/share/doc |
| 02:42.52 | abrotman | dan2: i haven't had it in a long time |
| 02:42.58 | abrotman | dan2: sly fox is just so good :) |
| 02:43.04 | IDC | chealer, So it should be /usr right |
| 02:43.05 | dan2 | abrotman: how far are you from sly fox |
| 02:43.13 | abrotman | dan2: oh .. i knw a .. "less than great" brewery .. VF brewery ... |
| 02:43.17 | abrotman | dan2: about 15 minutes |
| 02:43.18 | b1ayze | When xfce 4.0.6 came out, wre monitors invented^ ;p |
| 02:43.23 | glick | in 2.4 how do i mount an external firewire harddrive |
| 02:43.23 | dan2 | abrotman: thats pretty close |
| 02:43.28 | dan2 | I'm about ~25-30 |
| 02:43.30 | abrotman | dan2: yes .. it is |
| 02:43.36 | glick | i get something about scsi emulation |
| 02:43.43 | abrotman | dan2: and i'm thinking .. if i can get a new job around here .. i might move closer |
| 02:43.43 | glick | what device is it attached to? |
| 02:43.50 | dan2 | abrotman: hehe |
| 02:43.53 | jorgp | will debian-cd create dvds? |
| 02:43.53 | abrotman | like phoenixville or west chester .. depends where the job is |
| 02:43.59 | abrotman | !dvdrwtools |
| 02:44.02 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 02:44.03 | chealer | b1ayze: if XFCE is so important, maybe you should propose yourself to maintain it |
| 02:44.05 | dan2 | abrotman: what kind of job |
| 02:44.13 | abrotman | dan2: admin-ish |
| 02:44.16 | CyL | Where in rc.d is defined wich scripts should be run at system startup? |
| 02:44.21 | abrotman | !dvd+rw |
| 02:44.22 | dpkg | dvd+rw is, like, for a technical comparison between dvd-r and dvd+r technologies see http://www.opticaldisc-systems.com/2003sep-oct/Eyeball54.htm |
| 02:44.25 | abrotman | that's not it |
| 02:44.27 | abrotman | grr |
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| 02:44.41 | b1ayze | chealer, what do you mean^ important^ |
| 02:44.52 | abrotman | !dvdrecord |
| 02:44.52 | dpkg | somebody said dvdrecord was a hacked version of cdrecord within dvdrtools able to burn dvds |
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| 02:45.08 | chealer | CyL: see /etc/init.d/README |
| 02:45.08 | b1ayze | You really think i could maintain xfce^ |
| 02:45.20 | glick | something that uses scsi emulation |
| 02:45.21 | CyL | chealer: thanks |
| 02:45.25 | glick | in the 2.4 kernel |
| 02:45.29 | glick | like a firewire drive |
| 02:45.39 | glick | what device will it be associated with ? |
| 02:45.43 | dan2 | abrotman: btw, what do you think about my discussion about testing and components? |
| 02:45.47 | theccsscontact | hi |
| 02:45.48 | glick | when i plug it in |
| 02:45.50 | abrotman | dan2: ? |
| 02:45.50 | chealer | IDC: that's only because it creates a /usr/share/doc/php4 directory |
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| 02:46.04 | aliasptr | Does anyone know of any prepackaged debs for Gallery 2 floating around? |
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| 02:46.16 | abrotman | !info gallery |
| 02:46.16 | aliasptr | dpkg doesn't seem to know anything about it on the channel |
| 02:46.18 | dpkg | gallery: (a web-based photo album written in php), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6416 kB, Installed size: 22212 kB |
| 02:46.21 | dan2 | abrotman: <dan2> abrotman: whats interesting is the difference of opinion we have on testing... he thinks bigger components are easier to test and better to work with, but I believe in smaller components and more testing |
| 02:46.21 | abrotman | eegads |
| 02:46.24 | IDC | chealer, i see |
| 02:46.31 | jorgp | abrotman: your opinion, 2.4 or 2.6 kernel for a sarge server |
| 02:46.36 | chealer | IDC: as I said, dpkg -L foo is the usual method. but it doesn't apply to php4 package, because it's only a metapackage. try dpkg -L on some of php4's dependencies |
| 02:46.39 | abrotman | jorgp: i use 2.6 |
| 02:46.55 | b1ayze | chealer, you gave me an idea. I could maintain the display resolution part from xfce. How hard could it be, it doesnt even exist. ;p |
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| 02:47.00 | aliasptr | abrotman, yeah I'm aware of the version sid has and sarge, I'm interested in gallery 2 beta 3 |
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| 02:47.07 | abrotman | jorgp: hrm.. though at work .. i may move one back to 2.4 if it doesn't stop crashing sunday morning at 640 |
| 02:47.08 | chealer | IDC: like dpkg -L php4-common |
| 02:47.16 | abrotman | aliasptr: apt-get.org .. maybe |
| 02:47.25 | aliasptr | abrotman, I'll give it a look, thanks |
| 02:47.27 | jorgp | abrotman: well, a few nights ago, greycat suggested 2.4, so I put 2.4.30 on it |
| 02:47.34 | aliasptr | And of course if anyone else knows anything, lemme know ;) |
| 02:47.39 | Guerin | aliasptr: there's no point in making a deb of gallery; just untar it somewhere and put a symlink in your wwwroot |
| 02:47.42 | abrotman | jorgp: that's not in debian |
| 02:47.52 | Guerin | unless things have changed in 2 |
| 02:48.04 | jorgp | abrotman: I know, I compiled own kernel |
| 02:48.12 | IDC | chealer, The second one helped :) thanks |
| 02:48.20 | JEisen83 | I seem to be having a really odd problem with APT... I can't really install anything because if I try, it'll tell me the package depends on a later version than I have. I do an update, dselect tells me there's nothing to upgrade. I do an apt-get upgrade, nothing gets done. But if I go to packages.debian.org, I can see that the correct version is available in the archive. |
| 02:48.26 | aliasptr | Guerin, things have changed quite a bit and I figured someone had packaged it so I wouldn't have to do all the dependencies but I could install gallery and then uninstall or something |
| 02:48.34 | aliasptr | I admit I am not master of dpkg |
| 02:48.39 | jorgp | abrotman: you think I should go with what's in sarge? |
| 02:48.39 | JEisen83 | I'm using the default apt sources. |
| 02:48.41 | abrotman | JEisen83: did you mix sources ? |
| 02:49.04 | abrotman | JEisen83: apt-setup .. pick a new mirror .. apt-get update;apt-get -u upgrade |
| 02:49.13 | abrotman | JEisen83: and if you're using sarge/testing .. apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
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| 02:49.34 | JEisen83 | abrotman: Not in the same file -- I've been using my school's mirror for a while, but now I'm using the main one. I'm on unstable. |
| 02:49.56 | abrotman | JEisen83: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 02:50.07 | leo | Hello everybody, suddenly my fonts changed slightly (I mean, the font type is the same, but it's weird, a bit unfocused), I didn't do any changes in the GNOME font manager, what happened? |
| 02:50.09 | aliasptr | nope nothing on apt-get.org |
| 02:50.10 | chealer | JEisen83: do you have an example? |
| 02:50.17 | dan2 | abrotman: ???? |
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| 02:50.19 | JEisen83 | abrotman: Wow, that's bringing up a lot of packages here. What's that -u doing? |
| 02:50.20 | abrotman | dan2: ?? |
| 02:50.29 | abrotman | JEisen83: just shows you what it's going to upgrade |
| 02:50.33 | abrotman | dan2: what? |
| 02:50.36 | glick | does anyone know how to mount a usb or firewire drive in 2.4? |
| 02:50.41 | dan2 | abrotman: you didn't answer my question |
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| 02:50.44 | abrotman | oh .. reading |
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| 02:51.00 | JEisen83 | abrotman: Then why didn't show these packages with 'apt-get dist-upgrade' without the -u? |
| 02:51.10 | abrotman | dan2: modular is good IMO |
| 02:51.16 | Guerin | aliasptr: it is designed to be installed from plain source, and should have a good config script. Just try it :) |
| 02:51.21 | dan2 | abrotman: right |
| 02:51.24 | abrotman | JEisen83: man apt-get .. -u shows the packages affected |
| 02:51.44 | dan2 | abrotman: both of ours discuss modular, but he wants bigger components because he thinks they are easier to test... larger, smaller interface |
| 02:52.09 | abrotman | dan2: isn't it more about the number of external calls etc ? |
| 02:52.17 | aliasptr | Guerin, yeah no real big deal, I've got a test machine set aside just for this purpose just in case something goes horribly wrong with some stupid PHP scripts hehe |
| 02:52.21 | JEisen83 | abrotman: I suppose something just kind of unstuck... |
| 02:52.57 | abrotman | JEisen83: you have to read the man page and understand the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 02:53.10 | dan2 | abrotman: and my approach, smaller, zero regression |
| 02:53.12 | dan2 | abrotman: right, thats his understanding |
| 02:53.20 | JEisen83 | abrotman: I was trying both. |
| 02:53.26 | dan2 | abrotman: basically I design with smaller components and build up |
| 02:53.32 | dan2 | abrotman: even thought there may be more unit testing, debugging is a breeze |
| 02:53.40 | dan2 | abrotman: because you can isolate the problem quickly |
| 02:53.48 | abrotman | dan2: you can .. |
| 02:53.53 | Guerin | grrah, what's an option for running one X app from a remote box on a local server, which is sanely usable over 56k at the remote end? |
| 02:53.58 | dan2 | abrotman: and if you need to rewrite the code, you can just ditch it |
| 02:54.00 | Guerin | so, 33.6k up |
| 02:54.04 | abrotman | dan2: i've seen some great articles about testing with java .. yummy stuff |
| 02:54.14 | jorgp | abrotman: you think it would be safer to back down to sarge 2.4 version? |
| 02:54.15 | glick | i dont get it it sees my usb drive |
| 02:54.20 | glick | but not my firewire drive |
| 02:54.24 | glick | what gives? |
| 02:54.31 | MrKeuner | when I change the line in fstab to "/dev/hdc /dvd ...". The dvd icon created when hdc is mounted does not have an option eject disc but umount instead. is this a debian thing or a gnome policy? why is that? |
| 02:54.32 | Guerin | glick: usb is not firewire |
| 02:54.35 | dan2 | abrotman: Interfaces/Implementations from ObjC and Java are Good Things(TM) |
| 02:54.38 | idealbsd | Must exim4 check network setting(i guess) during bootup, without dns server running it takes several minutes to pass? |
| 02:54.49 | glick | Guerin, any way i can make it see my firewire drive without recompilling? |
| 02:54.50 | abrotman | jorgp: dunno |
| 02:54.59 | abrotman | i don't have firewire interfaces |
| 02:55.02 | dan2 | abrotman: it helps work with my strategy much better because I can swap out the small components |
| 02:55.06 | Guerin | glick: check it's supported on linux-1394.org |
| 02:55.08 | jorgp | abrotman: if you go back to 2.4 what version will you use? |
| 02:55.13 | abrotman | dan2: it would be nice if you could find someone who is a testing person .. |
| 02:55.24 | dan2 | abrotman: heh |
| 02:55.27 | glick | Guerin, i had it working fine in 2.6 |
| 02:55.46 | abrotman | dan2: there are some people who are very good at it . i'm not :) |
| 02:55.49 | Guerin | glick: why are you using 2.4 then? |
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| 02:56.06 | dan2 | abrotman: having seperate people for testing is also good |
| 02:56.19 | glick | Guerin, its got my 2.6 kernel config file on it :( |
| 02:56.24 | dan2 | abrotman: because it helps get an understanding from what other people think of your code |
| 02:56.40 | abrotman | dan2: yes .. obviously that |
| 02:56.44 | Guerin | glick: so? |
| 02:56.52 | Guerin | glick: they're DIFFERENT. Deal. |
| 02:56.55 | dan2 | abrotman: I can do testing pretty well |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | dan2: but some people are really good at finding corner cases etc .. writing tests to break your crap |
| 02:57.05 | glick | Guerin, i was gonna use that to compile 2.6 |
| 02:57.23 | dan2 | abrotman: I build testing code into my applications |
| 02:57.58 | dan2 | abrotman: during my testing period which I usually set as from 2 weeks to 6 weeks ... I usually liberally assert my code |
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| 02:58.03 | dan2 | abrotman: while I'm coding I mean |
| 02:58.14 | leo | Hello everybody, I need some help with GNOME fonts: suddenly my fonts changed slightly (I mean, the font type is the same, but it's weird, a bit unfocused), I didn't do any changes in the GNOME font manager, what happened? |
| 02:58.21 | dan2 | abrotman: so in that period we throw regular traffic at it, and read cores, understand the corner cases |
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| 02:58.31 | dan2 | abrotman: and fix on that basis |
| 02:58.33 | abrotman | dan2: but it's your code .. you won't get all of them :) |
| 02:58.47 | Guerin | glick: why the fuck would you use a 2.6 kernel config on a 2.4 kernel, or vice versa? I'm surprised it even boots. |
| 02:59.03 | dan2 | abrotman: its easier than you think... it works real well with the smaller components paradigm |
| 02:59.09 | dan2 | abrotman: make your code only accept certain input |
| 02:59.23 | glick | Guerin, i want to use that config file to compile 2.6 |
| 02:59.33 | Guerin | you can't, cleanly |
| 02:59.47 | Guerin | 2.4 has a lot of options that aren't in 2.6 and vice versa. |
| 03:00.18 | glick | Guerin, i got a perfected 2.6 kernel config file that i want to use to compile a 2.6 kernel |
| 03:00.31 | glick | but its on my firewire device |
| 03:00.36 | dan2 | abrotman: I don't usually say very good things about java, but its best feature is Interface |
| 03:00.46 | Guerin | glick: you're confused |
| 03:00.47 | dan2 | abrotman: it lets me write a spec, pass it to another person so they can build on it |
| 03:00.55 | dan2 | abrotman: while I can code away unbothered |
| 03:01.02 | Guerin | glick: use a debian 2.6 kernel |
| 03:01.11 | glick | Guerin, its a backed up config file from a 2.6 kernel that i was running earlier |
| 03:01.16 | Guerin | glick: at least to get the file off the fucking drive |
| 03:01.18 | glick | Guerin, whats hard to understand abut that |
| 03:01.27 | glick | yeah i guess ima have to :( |
| 03:01.33 | abrotman | dan2: that's data validation |
| 03:01.34 | Guerin | glick: nothing, now that you've spat it out already. |
| 03:01.40 | Guerin | !debian kernel image |
| 03:01.40 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 03:02.03 | glick | Guerin, i know how to compile kernels :) |
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| 03:02.07 | dan2 | abrotman: right, and essentially the guy who uses your interface is your tester |
| 03:02.08 | glick | i do it correctly |
| 03:02.31 | Guerin | glick: sure you do. |
| 03:02.40 | abrotman | dan2: that's not a good way to do it :) |
| 03:03.09 | dan2 | abrotman: case by case |
| 03:03.10 | glick | i been compilin kernels for years |
| 03:03.15 | leo | anybody? |
| 03:03.25 | dan2 | abrotman: most of the time, I get fed an interface they want implemented |
| 03:03.27 | Guerin | !anybody |
| 03:03.27 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 03:03.48 | Guerin | leo: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 03:03.57 | mith | that's a pretty shitty entry, but, the sentiment is correct, if the subject of someone compiling their own kernel comes up in here, they're usually tards that don't know what they did/did wrong |
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| 03:04.09 | Guerin | leo: choose another hinting scheme; repeat as many times as necessary until you get something you like. |
| 03:04.12 | dan2 | abrotman: Interfaces also work well for writing unit tests, because you can write your unit tests to the interface instead of the class and apply it to all those who implement that interface |
| 03:05.22 | dan2 | !test |
| 03:05.22 | dpkg | Yes, dan2, you're still online. |
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| 03:07.00 | leo | Guerin: I went trought them all, Hinting: None, Slight, Medium, Full (trought the GNOME font preferences) - nothing changes |
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| 03:09.50 | Guerin | leo: you might have to restart your x server each time |
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| 03:11.08 | namnar | hello |
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| 03:13.31 | mohadib | evening |
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| 03:14.33 | dan2 | abrotman: what do you think |
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| 03:16.20 | snadge | wheres a good place to set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_dynaddr to 7? :) |
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| 03:17.53 | doleyb | snadge: you can always put it in /etc/network/interfaces, as a post-up for the device |
| 03:17.56 | deadcat | snadge: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 03:18.36 | Nosf3ratu | Quick question: I reboot my box and now eth0 won't work, it reports "no link during initialization." |
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| 03:18.49 | Nosf3ratu | the light on the back of the card, if you can trust that, is lit. |
| 03:18.51 | deadcat | Nosf3ratu: wireless? |
| 03:19.03 | Nosf3ratu | No, hardwired. |
| 03:19.13 | Nosf3ratu | Never had a problem with it and I've had it for a few years, actually. |
| 03:19.17 | deadcat | Nosf3ratu: reload the module and see whats up |
| 03:19.21 | abrotman | dan2: i'm not going to convince your boss you're right :) |
| 03:19.26 | Nosf3ratu | ok i'll try that |
| 03:19.27 | deadcat | Nosf3ratu: maybe it just died (= |
| 03:19.36 | leo | Guerin: stills the same :( don't you have any other idea about what's going on? |
| 03:19.47 | Guerin | leo: nope. |
| 03:20.18 | Nosf3ratu | i don't think it's a module deadcat |
| 03:20.21 | Nosf3ratu | it's built-in |
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| 03:21.00 | Nosf3ratu | wait nm |
| 03:21.00 | Nosf3ratu | i see it |
| 03:21.00 | deadcat | Nosf3ratu: ah. time for a new nic (= |
| 03:21.23 | leo | oh come'on everybody, that weird font is killing me.. |
| 03:21.31 | deadcat | leo: what up? |
| 03:21.40 | abrotman | leo: you could try irc.gnome.org if everyone here is stumped |
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| 03:21.49 | Nosf3ratu | deadcat, you think so? |
| 03:21.53 | Nosf3ratu | deadcat, it's that cut-and-dry? |
| 03:21.57 | Nosf3ratu | modprobe loads fine btw |
| 03:22.17 | Nosf3ratu | it's just ifup that complains about a missing link (although it still ups the device) |
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| 03:22.29 | abrotman | leo: honestly .. sounds like you turned off AA somehow |
| 03:22.34 | deadcat | Nosf3ratu: ifconfig eth0 |grep error |
| 03:22.39 | leo | deadcat: my font become weird, it's the same as it used to be, Sans, but it is a bit unfocused |
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| 03:22.54 | deadcat | leo: fontconfig that fucked it up |
| 03:22.57 | stupid_user | does anyone in here ahve a laptop that has a swappable cdburner/floppy/batery? or did anyone try to get those to work and hotsappable? |
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| 03:23.18 | Nosf3ratu | deadcat, i don't see any errors... |
| 03:23.23 | Nosf3ratu | let me try pinging it from here |
| 03:23.26 | stupid_user | s/hotsa/hotswa/ |
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| 03:23.48 | deadcat | Nosf3ratu: i am out of ideas |
| 03:24.00 | Nosf3ratu | deadcat, 487 TX packets, nothing anywhere else. |
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| 03:24.06 | stupkid | HELP Please |
| 03:24.08 | leo | deadcat: I reconfigured it with dpkg and restarted X, nothing, i'm going to kill myself |
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| 03:24.20 | stupkid | how do i access my other partition without root permission? |
| 03:24.41 | Nosf3ratu | stupkid, give users access to it. |
| 03:24.49 | stupkid | yeah |
| 03:24.52 | deadcat | leo: its the file in /etc/fonts/ local.conf i think that messes with the fonts. happened to me before. |
| 03:25.14 | stupkid | Nosf3ratu, what do i add in fstab? |
| 03:25.16 | Guerin | stupkid: specify uid, gid and/or umask in mount or fstab |
| 03:25.20 | Nosf3ratu | man fstab, stupkid |
| 03:25.27 | Guerin | stupkid: read man fstab to find out how |
| 03:25.28 | leo | deadcat: so.. what to do!? |
| 03:25.28 | deadcat | stupkid: nothing. just change the perm after you mount the drives |
| 03:25.30 | stupkid | man |
| 03:25.35 | mngrif | ok, is there reason why apache2 isn't binding to my ethernet interface out of the box? |
| 03:25.41 | stupkid | what permission |
| 03:25.44 | stupkid | do i need please |
| 03:25.52 | Guerin | mngrif: what's the Listen directive say? |
| 03:26.04 | deadcat | leo: what i did was downgrade fontconfig, then upgrade again but answer no or dont change the local.conf file. |
| 03:26.05 | Nosf3ratu | stupkid, type 'man fstab' at a command prompt. |
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| 03:26.19 | deadcat | stupkid: 755 |
| 03:26.34 | stupkid | oh |
| 03:26.41 | mngrif | Guerin: i changed it to 192.168.1.3:80, and get: |
| 03:26.42 | stupkid | chown 755 folder deadcat? |
| 03:26.47 | mngrif | Cannot assign requested address: make_sock: could not bind to address 192.168.1.3:80 |
| 03:26.50 | mngrif | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 03:26.59 | stupkid | can i chown 755 /home/user? |
| 03:27.02 | leo | deadcat: you were with the same weird font I am? so I'm going to do this.. |
| 03:27.04 | deadcat | Nosf3ratu: try dhclient eth0 or use ifconfig to set the ip then ping something. |
| 03:27.21 | Nosf3ratu | deadcat, hah! |
| 03:27.24 | leo | deadcat: does it worked? |
| 03:27.29 | Nosf3ratu | deadcat, onboard ethernet saves the day! :D |
| 03:27.32 | Guerin | mngrif: something else already listening on that? |
| 03:27.39 | deadcat | leo: ya. laptop AND desktop. i had to hold the fontconfig pkg before i figured how to fix it |
| 03:27.44 | Nosf3ratu | i forgot i had onboard gigabit. plugged it in, and instant satisfaction. |
| 03:27.46 | deadcat | Nosf3ratu: HAHAHAH. |
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| 03:27.57 | Nosf3ratu | i'm still kinda sad my old freebie junker gave out though. :( |
| 03:27.57 | mngrif | Guerin: going to it in the browser says no |
| 03:28.00 | Nosf3ratu | thanks a ton for the help man |
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| 03:28.18 | mngrif | Guerin: netstat says now |
| 03:28.20 | mngrif | no* |
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| 03:29.08 | Guerin | mngrif: funky. Ask #apache, then? |
| 03:29.25 | mngrif | Guerin: i'd figure it was a debian issue since this is outofthebox |
| 03:29.51 | holly_ | Is there a mount option for NTFS (like the one for vfat) which will tell it to display short (8.3) filenames in lowercase instead of upper case by default? |
| 03:29.58 | Guerin | mngrif: you haven't changed anything? how did you tell it to listen on this interface? |
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| 03:30.22 | mngrif | Guerin: i changed that after i noticed it |
| 03:30.29 | deadcat | holly_: if you know how to get vfat to do that. you know more about us (= |
| 03:31.02 | leo | deadcat: I'm gonna ask this: how to downgrade a package? |
| 03:31.27 | deadcat | leo: download the previous working pkg.deb, dpkg -i pkg.deb |
| 03:31.39 | deadcat | leo: check /var/cache/apt/archives first. might be there. |
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| 03:34.16 | LunarCrisis | what's the correct way to set programs to start automatically when my WM starts up? |
| 03:34.21 | CyL | How do I compile and install a program withou interfering with the package system? |
| 03:34.53 | mrwill | CyL: well, you could install it in /usr/local/, though others here will doubtless hate that solution. |
| 03:35.20 | mrwill | CyL: something like 'configure --with-prefix=/usr/local' |
| 03:35.22 | dan2 | abrotman: do you know of any decent uml tools that let you import an api so you can build your uml on |
| 03:35.39 | kelan | why do people hate /usr/local? i would think that would be the usual place for non-packaged software |
| 03:35.57 | mngrif | grrr... debian and it's refusal to not do dhcp... |
| 03:36.06 | mrwill | kelan: was thinking people might insist that you make your own .debs, package the software yourself. |
| 03:36.13 | leo | deadcat: can I do this by hand, editing the /etc/fonts/local.conf ? |
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| 03:36.25 | kelan | that seems like a pain |
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| 03:36.38 | deadcat | leo: if you know how. |
| 03:36.45 | mngrif | kelan: /opt is non-packed software.. /usr/local is nonstandard system stuff... /usr is system stuff, at least, thats how i think it should be... although everyone has a different view on how a UNIX-esque FS should look :P |
| 03:37.44 | abrotman | dan2: nope .. you should ask me if i know any UML tools first :) |
| 03:37.49 | CyL | mngrif: thanks buddy |
| 03:37.50 | kelan | ive always thought /opt was just funny looking. i'd rather use /usr/local |
| 03:37.53 | abrotman | dia maybe ? :) |
| 03:38.06 | CyL | mngrif: sorry |
| 03:38.11 | CyL | mrwill: thanks |
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| 03:39.21 | leo | deadcat: there is NO local.conf, just a fonts.conf |
| 03:40.16 | OakCliff | anyone familiar with linspire |
| 03:40.23 | deadcat | leo: i do (= |
| 03:40.30 | bucky | !linspire |
| 03:40.30 | dpkg | linspire is, like, a "newbie-friendly" proprietary distribution with some Debian roots, giving KDE and a restricted selection of old packages for $100. it does NOT run windows applications, nor run anyone or anything as root (try Ark Linux for run-as-root) |
| 03:41.09 | deadcat | leo: i think the new version deletes that file. i just copied it to /tmp/ |
| 03:41.50 | leo | deadcat: so... what to do? :( |
| 03:42.04 | deadcat | leo: copy my local.conf see if it fix the fonts. |
| 03:42.56 | leo | deadcat: could you send it to me? |
| 03:43.03 | deadcat | leo: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/fonts/local.conf |
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| 03:43.08 | deadcat | hope it works |
| 03:43.13 | leo | let's see |
| 03:43.16 | Solet-deb | with mozilla when i try to go to http://localhost it tries to load 'www.localhost.com' why is it not going to local host? |
| 03:44.00 | bucky | Solet-deb, because apache isn't running |
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| 03:45.35 | Solet-deb | bucky: why would apache have to be running shouldnt the browser know that localhost==127.0.0.1???? |
| 03:45.40 | leo | deadcat: I'm going to crate a local.conf - but as my version of fontconfig is different from yours maybe it will not work. You could send me your fontconfig.deb |
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| 03:46.09 | deadcat | leo: i am using 2.3.2-1 |
| 03:46.19 | bucky | Solet-deb, if you don't have the daemon running then the service is not available locally |
| 03:46.19 | deadcat | eat time. |
| 03:46.29 | pe1 | eat time? |
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| 03:47.13 | abrotman | deadcat: do you eat deadmouse ? |
| 03:47.22 | pe1 | haha |
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| 03:47.37 | leo | deadcat: I am using 2.3.1-2 , that's sid package right? |
| 03:47.43 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: if deadcat eats livemouse it will be deadmouse soon after... |
| 03:47.57 | pe1 | it's time for lunch |
| 03:47.58 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: deadcat runs fast ? |
| 03:48.54 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no need... you just order rat ala king |
| 03:49.03 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:51.29 | abrotman | !sing dondelelcaro |
| 03:51.32 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 03:51.53 | abrotman | what kind of crappy song is that ? |
| 03:52.17 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: dunno, I didn't write it |
| 03:52.31 | abrotman | !factinfo sing dondelelcaro |
| 03:52.31 | dpkg | sing dondelelcaro -- created by sussudio <Suss@d5113204.cable.wanadoo.nl> at Fri Dec 13 21:53:52 2002 (889 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by abrotman, 1m 2s ago. |
| 03:52.36 | abrotman | oh well |
| 03:52.36 | dondelelcaro | !sing sussudio |
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| 03:52.55 | abrotman | !sing bucks fizz |
| 03:52.55 | dpkg | You gotta speed it up, and then you gotta slow it down cos' if you believe that our love can hit the top, you gotta play around and soon you will find that there comes a time, for making your mind up! |
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| 03:53.10 | abrotman | !sing therefrmhere |
| 03:53.10 | dpkg | it has been said that sing therefrmhere is a freak |
| 03:53.13 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:53.37 | abrotman | !sing rtfm |
| 03:53.37 | dpkg | Lay down the boogie and Read That Funky Manual or you die. |
| 03:53.39 | abrotman | that's good |
| 03:53.53 | abrotman | !factauth sing sussudio |
| 03:54.00 | abrotman | !factfino sing sussudio |
| 03:54.06 | abrotman | !factinfo sing sussudio |
| 03:54.06 | dpkg | sing sussudio -- created by dondelelcaro <~don@archimedes.urmc.rochester.edu> at Fri Dec 13 03:15:29 2002 (890 days); last modified at Tue Jan 7 06:48:13 2003 by Penix!~eggdrop@dialup-47.223.220.203.acc01-gord-pmq.comindico.com.au; it has been requested 92 times, last by dondelelcaro, 1m 30s ago. |
| 03:54.07 | abrotman | yay me |
| 03:54.24 | pe1 | i can't understand what you are talking. |
| 03:54.26 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you got yours one day after :) |
| 03:54.33 | Solet-deb | !windows |
| 03:54.33 | dpkg | hmm... windows is from memory, windows is a 32 bit shell on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally designed for a 4 bit microprocessor, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or see panic(3) |
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| 03:56.29 | pe1 | i think windows is good |
| 03:56.31 | abrotman | !sing beta3 |
| 03:56.31 | dpkg | He's lump, he's lump, he's lump, he might be dead! |
| 03:57.01 | abrotman | dan2: why aren't you beta3 anymore ? |
| 03:57.25 | pe1 | just for it's licence and price |
| 03:57.31 | leo | please, please, my fonts are weird, i'm going to die |
| 03:57.41 | abrotman | you're going to die if your fonts are messed up ? |
| 03:57.51 | leo | that's it |
| 03:57.59 | bucky | leo, which fonts do you have installed? |
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| 03:58.09 | astronut | is there anything newer on sarge's release schedule than wha'ts in dpkg? (msg from 3/5/05, http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20050503.194632.8f44e65b.en.html) |
| 03:58.13 | pe1 | my god |
| 03:58.28 | bucky | leo, dpkg -la |grep ttf |
| 03:58.51 | leo | bucky: you wanna know my fontconfig version? Installed: 2.3.1-2 |
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| 03:59.16 | bucky | leo, no.. i want to know if you have any true type fonts installed |
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| 03:59.35 | leo | that all started when i changed my fonts in KDE, but i'm a GNOME user, i think KDE fucked everything up. i hate KDE |
| 03:59.35 | astronut | is it just me or is it really laggy? |
| 03:59.43 | abrotman | reocnnect |
| 04:00.20 | leo | bucky: No, i did dpkg-reconfigue fontconfig and answered Native, so just debian fonts |
| 04:00.51 | astronut | --- Ping reply from zelazny.freenode.net : 4.46 second(s) |
| 04:00.56 | leo | bucky: why? any idea? |
| 04:00.57 | bucky | leo, apt-get a true type font and see if that helps |
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| 04:01.26 | abrotman | better? |
| 04:01.54 | bucky | .74 seconds |
| 04:02.14 | abrotman | why are you pinging me ? |
| 04:02.18 | bucky | .60 |
| 04:02.22 | pe1 | haha |
| 04:02.24 | bucky | for comparison |
| 04:02.27 | astronut | gah |
| 04:02.37 | astronut | abrotman: i realized it was cause i forgot to set torrent upload cap |
| 04:02.44 | astronut | now i lost voice in #freenode |
| 04:02.46 | bucky | abrotman has more lag than astronut |
| 04:02.50 | abrotman | !lose astronut |
| 04:02.51 | dpkg | astronut: You Lose. |
| 04:03.00 | astronut | thank you abrotman/dpkg |
| 04:03.00 | dpkg | de rien, astronut |
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| 04:03.14 | abrotman | bucky: but i don't care :) |
| 04:03.37 | LunarCrisis | does gdm run a user-defined startup script? It doesn't seem to load ~/.xsession |
| 04:03.39 | mohadib | I got my boss agree to donate $$ to Debain today :) |
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| 04:03.53 | astronut | --- Ping reply from bucky : 0.90 second(s) |
| 04:03.54 | astronut | --- Ping reply from abrotman : 0.34 second(s) |
| 04:03.57 | abrotman | astronut: stop |
| 04:03.58 | abrotman | jeez |
| 04:04.04 | astronut | sorry |
| 04:04.05 | abrotman | ping someone who doesn't care . like a bot :) |
| 04:04.08 | bucky | that's bad |
| 04:04.16 | pe1 | haha |
| 04:04.21 | pe1 | ping me |
| 04:04.32 | abrotman | !ping pe1 |
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| 04:04.43 | abrotman | themolester: come on ... |
| 04:05.21 | boukensya | hey guys. I was just wondering how to completely disable console fb? so its the standard 320x2something characters on the screen |
| 04:05.33 | mohadib | abrotman: should be chester |
| 04:05.40 | abrotman | chester ? |
| 04:05.45 | pe1 | i'm behind a adsl modem ,and use nat. |
| 04:05.51 | abrotman | duh |
| 04:06.09 | astronut | (adsl and nat) |
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| 04:06.17 | astronut | modem is a cheapo peice of plastic |
| 04:06.29 | pe1 | ;) |
| 04:06.34 | boukensya | is it with grub that you do it? |
| 04:07.04 | pe1 | yes |
| 04:07.04 | astronut | abrotman: i don't beleive that |
| 04:07.18 | astronut | is there anything newer on sarge's release schedule than wha'ts in dpkg? (msg from 3/5/05, http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20050503.194632.8f44e65b.en.html) |
| 04:07.22 | pe1 | ***abrotman: saying me? |
| 04:07.23 | astronut | than what's* |
| 04:07.33 | astronut | pe1: yes |
| 04:07.35 | astronut | you're in gaim? |
| 04:07.51 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 04:07.51 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. The current estimate is that it will be released around May 30th. Latest release update: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20050503.194632.8f44e65b.en.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. Sarge takes too long? ask me about <vancouver> |
| 04:07.57 | abrotman | astronut: ^^ |
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| 04:08.02 | pe1 | astronut: yes,that's right. xp |
| 04:08.04 | abrotman | astronut: last we have |
| 04:08.17 | astronut | ok |
| 04:08.26 | abrotman | astronut: read up .. shoot |
| 04:08.34 | astronut | it was just a bit out of date, was wondering if there was newer but no ops to change dpkg |
| 04:08.39 | Nigel | is there a debian python channel, that i may have missed been advertised |
| 04:08.54 | kelan | !zen |
| 04:08.54 | dpkg | :)(: |
| 04:09.01 | kelan | that makes it better |
| 04:09.17 | abrotman | astronut: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/ .. that's where the updates come from |
| 04:09.21 | boukensya | so there has to be a way to do it |
| 04:09.27 | chealer | astronut: ops are not needed to "change dpkg" |
| 04:09.28 | astronut | tks |
| 04:09.30 | chealer | Nigel: no |
| 04:09.40 | astronut | chealer: ok, a dpkg admin? |
| 04:09.42 | pe1 | so i usually running max os x |
| 04:09.44 | astronut | or is he wiki style? |
| 04:09.47 | bucky | Nigel, are you having a problem with mod-python ? |
| 04:10.03 | dondelelcaro | dpkg; when will sarge release =~ s#http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20050503.194632.8f44e65b.en.html#http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20050517.234235.d8eac4b7.en.html# |
| 04:10.03 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 04:10.11 | chealer | dpkg: astronut is someone that should try making factoids himself |
| 04:10.11 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
| 04:10.20 | chealer | dpkg: forget astronut |
| 04:10.20 | dpkg | chealer: i forgot astronut |
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| 04:10.24 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: there is a newer one ? |
| 04:10.29 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah |
| 04:10.40 | astronut | dpkg: chealer |
| 04:10.40 | dpkg | [chealer] a bot with long offtimes, or a bot with insufficiently long offtimes, or a nickometer abuser, or someone that would suck as a comedian |
| 04:10.54 | astronut | can i forget chealer |
| 04:10.54 | astronut | ' |
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| 04:11.00 | astronut | or do i need special privs? |
| 04:11.04 | chealer | astronut: as you wish |
| 04:11.05 | astronut | dpkg: forget chealer |
| 04:11.05 | dpkg | astronut: i forgot chealer |
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| 04:11.09 | astronut | dpkg: chealer |
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| 04:11.11 | dondelelcaro | astronut: don't muck with factoids that you can't make better... |
| 04:11.16 | astronut | kk |
| 04:11.29 | astronut | dpkg: chealer is a bot with long offtimes, or a bot with insufficiently long offtimes, or a nickometer abuser, or someone that would suck as a comedian |
| 04:11.29 | dpkg | astronut: okay |
| 04:11.31 | Nigel | no, i need to use IPv6 sockets with python... |
| 04:11.32 | astronut | dpkg: chealer |
| 04:11.32 | dpkg | chealer is, like, a bot with long offtimes, or a bot with insufficiently long offtimes, or a nickometer abuser, or someone that would suck as a comedian |
| 04:11.37 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i don't see it at lists.debian.org .. hrm |
| 04:11.37 | chealer | astronut: however, do that in private |
| 04:11.39 | astronut | ok, cool... |
| 04:11.42 | astronut | ya |
| 04:11.43 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's there... um... just a sec |
| 04:11.57 | chealer | /msg dpkg foo is bar |
| 04:12.01 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/threads.html |
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| 04:12.14 | dondelelcaro | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00011.html |
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| 04:12.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i see it .. date stamps are different |
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| 04:12.48 | nipplesrulz | well |
| 04:12.49 | bucky | Nigel, no answer in #python ? |
| 04:12.51 | nipplesrulz | fuck lindows :P |
| 04:12.57 | nipplesrulz | so! |
| 04:13.11 | nipplesrulz | where can i get that latest stable sarge install link? |
| 04:13.18 | dondelelcaro | !d-i nipplesrulz |
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| 04:13.19 | dpkg | nipplesrulz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:13.22 | abrotman | !topicsmite nipplesrulz |
| 04:13.23 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon nipplesrulz. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:13.26 | nipplesrulz | i wanna burn it on cd and install then apt-get the rest i guess |
| 04:13.49 | Nigel | bucky: well it's a deb thing, if i was using python source, then yes, i'd be there... |
| 04:13.50 | davis | any particular reason why my firewall script works with 2.4 kernels and not 2.6? I am using the kernel from apt-get 2.6.11 |
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| 04:14.06 | nipplesrulz | oi! |
| 04:14.14 | nipplesrulz | which one do i want for a amd semperon? |
| 04:14.30 | chealer | nipplesrulz: i386 |
| 04:14.41 | chealer | nipplesrulz: and sarge isn't stable (yet) |
| 04:14.54 | Guerin_ | !test |
| 04:14.54 | dpkg | Yes, guerin_, you're still online. |
| 04:14.58 | chealer | (stable as it means for debian) |
| 04:14.59 | bucky | Nigel, not that i can help but is there a deb that doesn't have IPv6 support compiled in or something? |
| 04:15.09 | abrotman | nipplesrulz: sempron |
| 04:15.21 | abrotman | and you want i386 |
| 04:15.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: semipr0n? |
| 04:15.27 | nipplesrulz | got it thanx |
| 04:15.35 | Nigel | bucky: i did "apt-cache search python | grep 6" no rel results |
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| 04:15.40 | davis | is there a network firewall channel? |
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| 04:16.11 | dondelelcaro | davis: #iptables |
| 04:16.22 | Nigel | also no bug reports under "python" or "python2.3" |
| 04:16.25 | davis | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 04:16.26 | astronut | ok, this is a newer thinga bout sarge http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00011.html |
| 04:16.26 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 04:16.29 | dondelelcaro | davis: although, if you give us the exact error, we can probably help you too |
| 04:16.32 | bob2 | python in debian has ipv6 support |
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| 04:16.38 | astronut | can i slectively delete part of sarge's factoid? |
| 04:16.45 | dondelelcaro | astronut: uh, yes... you're about 7 minutes behind |
| 04:16.46 | abrotman | astronut: why would you want to ? |
| 04:16.55 | astronut | dondelelcaro: oh, oops |
| 04:16.56 | astronut | lol |
| 04:17.03 | astronut | abrotman: to change part of it, but leave the rest |
| 04:17.03 | timt | noob question , has anyone come across this before: Bareword "jpg" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1 ??? |
| 04:17.06 | abrotman | astronut: dondelelcaro already changed the factoid to point at that |
| 04:17.11 | leo | the font in gdm is perfect, here in GNOME is weird, unfocused, this occurred after the change i did in the KDE control center, mayne KDE messed up everything... what to do? |
| 04:17.12 | deadcat | bob2: heard about the ibook g4 bat. recall? |
| 04:17.14 | astronut | i didn't notice it had a seperate link |
| 04:17.14 | astronut | lol |
| 04:17.19 | bob2 | deadcat: hah, no |
| 04:17.26 | Nigel | bob2: >>> socket.gethostbyname('irc.ipv6.freenode.net') |
| 04:17.34 | astronut | ah, the s thing, heh |
| 04:17.34 | dondelelcaro | timt: probably, but you'll have to give me a whole lot more detail. |
| 04:17.36 | Nigel | that returns a failure, |
| 04:17.37 | abrotman | bob2: one exploded and took out japan! |
| 04:17.45 | pe1 | is there anyone use windows? |
| 04:17.47 | deadcat | bob2: https://depot.info.apple.com/batteryexchange/index.html?lang=en |
| 04:17.51 | Nigel | everything else (dig, irssi) can resolve that |
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| 04:17.56 | drcode | hi al |
| 04:17.58 | bob2 | Nigel: I don't even have a socket module |
| 04:17.58 | drcode | all |
| 04:18.03 | timt | dondelelcaro: only happens when I try to rename a file or directory? |
| 04:18.07 | chealer | abrotman: did you understand why the new update didn't show up on http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/threads.html ? |
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| 04:18.16 | drcode | any one know newgroup grabber for console that can connect more then 1 connection ? |
| 04:18.25 | dondelelcaro | timt: uh, you're not using rename properly. Give the exact command that you're using. |
| 04:18.25 | drcode | like nget but with more connections? |
| 04:18.25 | abrotman | chealer: because i can't read :) |
| 04:18.35 | bob2 | deadcat: ah, mine was from may 2004 |
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| 04:18.44 | timt | rename blah blah2 ? |
| 04:18.50 | roo9 | anyone know how i can see what nameserver is authorative for reverse DNS on a particular block of IP addresses? |
| 04:19.02 | dondelelcaro | roo9: with whois or dig |
| 04:19.32 | roo9 | dondelelcaro: whois does not show me that information |
| 04:19.32 | dondelelcaro | timt: not an example. THE EXACT COMMAND THAT YOU ARE USING. |
| 04:19.42 | pe1 | is there any one who use windows? |
| 04:19.44 | timt | rename |
| 04:19.49 | bob2 | pe1: please? |
| 04:19.54 | deadcat | pe1: #windows ? |
| 04:19.57 | poli | roo9: if you are outside USA, you have to use "local" registrar's whois. |
| 04:19.57 | bob2 | timt: then you're running it wrong |
| 04:19.58 | chealer | abrotman: hum....looks like we're two |
| 04:20.04 | leo | ok, I'm going to reinstall Debian to fix my problem I'm not going to die becouse of a font... |
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| 04:20.05 | Guerin | has there ever been a mac which hasn't had some part recalled because it's faulty? |
| 04:20.06 | abrotman | yeah .. oh well |
| 04:20.11 | roo9 | poli: nope, I and the IP are in the USA |
| 04:20.12 | Guerin | wow, laggage |
| 04:20.13 | poli | roo9: dig will show probably show you what you want. |
| 04:20.17 | abrotman | Guerin: yeah .. about 10 years ago :) |
| 04:20.20 | pe1 | deadcat::) |
| 04:20.23 | timt | bob2: how do I do it? |
| 04:20.26 | deadcat | pe1: shutup |
| 04:20.32 | pe1 | bob2::) |
| 04:20.32 | LunarCrisis | how do I have certain programs start automatically when I start X from gdm? |
| 04:20.37 | roo9 | poli: the other problem is that this range does not work for reverse dns |
| 04:20.39 | pe1 | oh |
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| 04:20.45 | bob2 | timt: a) tell us the EXACT command you're running, b) tell us what you want to do |
| 04:20.47 | stupkid | hey if i chown 777 /home/user i can access to that user without root permission right? |
| 04:20.57 | deadcat | LunarCrisis: depends on your window/desktop manager. |
| 04:21.07 | bob2 | stupkid: what are you trying to do with that? |
| 04:21.11 | LunarCrisis | my dm is gdm, and I'm using fluxbox |
| 04:21.24 | pipeline | LunarCrisis: I would try ~/.xsession |
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| 04:21.32 | poli | roo9: well, PTR (reverse) is like a domain, for DNS. So, the ROOT-SERVERS foward the reverse domains to the delegated institution. |
| 04:21.33 | stupkid | i just store movies on that user |
| 04:21.33 | deadcat | LunarCrisis: check .fluxbox there should be a file for you to start apps in there. |
| 04:21.39 | LunarCrisis | pipeline, I already have, it doesn't get run =S |
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| 04:21.50 | Guerin | stupkid: don't do that |
| 04:21.52 | poli | roo9: if they chose not to have a reverse table configured, you won't see any. |
| 04:21.55 | stupkid | and i want to acess without root |
| 04:21.57 | timt | Im trying to rename fileA to fileB and this is what im issueing: # rename fileA fileB |
| 04:21.58 | stupkid | oh? |
| 04:22.00 | roo9 | poli: so is there any way to see what servers are supposed to answer the query? |
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| 04:22.17 | davis | hello |
| 04:22.23 | dondelelcaro | timt: just use mv fileA fileB; and in the future, give us the exact command, not arbitrary examples. |
| 04:22.24 | bob2 | timt: mv fileA fileB |
| 04:22.25 | Guerin | stupkid: add your own user to that user's group |
| 04:22.26 | deadcat | LunarCrisis: ~/.fluxbox/init you might be able to add it there. but usually we use .xsessions |
| 04:22.29 | poli | roo9: Yes. Dig will give you a good bet but host -t SOA might work |
| 04:22.32 | davis | does debian support 2.6 iptables? |
| 04:22.36 | dondelelcaro | davis: yes |
| 04:22.39 | davis | for instance, I see this |
| 04:22.40 | LunarCrisis | deadcat, the issue with putting stuff in there is that then they will get run whenever I switch styles, so when i look through different styles I end up with a dozen of the same program running =S |
| 04:22.41 | davis | iptables - Linux kernel 2.4+ iptables administration tools |
| 04:22.46 | Guerin | stupkid: so as root, do adduser stupkid moviekid |
| 04:22.55 | LunarCrisis | is there a way to tell gdm to look at the ~/.xsession? |
| 04:22.55 | timt | thanks guys :) |
| 04:23.00 | poli | roo9: host -t SOA $IP |
| 04:23.00 | Guerin | fuck, i'm lagging like a bastard |
| 04:23.04 | dondelelcaro | davis: yes, because iptables was introduced in 2.4. Previously, it was ipchains. |
| 04:23.09 | deadcat | davis: + means greater. (= |
| 04:23.20 | davis | dondelelcaro: do I need a diff package, or will that work for 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:23.24 | stupkid | ah :) |
| 04:23.24 | bucky | Nigel, afaik IPv6 comes with python |
| 04:23.27 | deadcat | LunarCrisis: ya. so just use .xsessions |
| 04:23.34 | dondelelcaro | davis: 2.4+ === >= 2.4 |
| 04:23.34 | roo9 | poli: same, no response |
| 04:23.42 | stupkid | thanks Guerin :) |
| 04:23.48 | davis | dondelelcaro: ok. so much for that theory. |
| 04:23.53 | LunarCrisis | deadcat, that's what I want to do, but gdm doesn't seem to be looking at it when it starts |
| 04:24.06 | deadcat | LunarCrisis: under sessions selection X default or what ever |
| 04:24.20 | LunarCrisis | deadcat, I'll try that, thanks |
| 04:24.26 | deadcat | LunarCrisis: thats what i do. also ln -s ~/.xsessions .xinitrc (= |
| 04:24.27 | roo9 | poli: besides, doesn't SOA need to communicate with the server? |
| 04:24.28 | boukensya | anyone know how to disable console fb? pleease.. my wifes party is on soon and I have to get this done |
| 04:24.43 | boukensya | in lilo its easy, but not sure about grub |
| 04:25.01 | bob2 | it's the same in grub |
| 04:25.10 | poli | roo9: SOA communicates? |
| 04:25.13 | bob2 | edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:25.13 | boukensya | like its for a jukebox for her party |
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| 04:25.29 | roo9 | poli: the information needs to come from somewhere |
| 04:25.33 | boukensya | yeah, I looked through there and I couldn't find an option. |
| 04:25.40 | davis | hmm. |
| 04:25.51 | leo | deadcat: maybe getting a true font trought apt-get will resolve my problem? |
| 04:25.56 | jesusfish | anyone here have a deb of a fixed Kopete? |
| 04:26.05 | poli | roo9: dig -t SOA -x $IP |
| 04:26.06 | deadcat | screen is not changing my pwd in the terminal title when i use hardstartus, caption works fine. |
| 04:26.21 | chealer | jesusfish: get sid's |
| 04:26.21 | poli | roo9: will return who this range is delegated to. |
| 04:26.35 | jesusfish | chealer: that have the MSN prob fixed? |
| 04:26.38 | whm | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.51 | deadcat | leo: maybe. thats what i use. http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/installed.dpkgs.php check the fonts i installed on my machine here. |
| 04:26.59 | davis | its odd. When I switched from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel, I still have netowrk support. ie. I can ssh. Its just that my NAT quick working. I even upgraded my firewall script. There are no errors in the logs. no error on console. |
| 04:27.16 | poli | roo9: yes, they come from the first level delegations, the ones the ROOT SERVERS point to. |
| 04:27.16 | davis | if you looked at the console, it would appear everything is ok. |
| 04:27.22 | roo9 | poli: times out |
| 04:27.29 | bob2 | davis: read your iptables -L -v -n -t nat output |
| 04:27.33 | chealer | jesusfish: you didn't even mention the problem. ask #debian-kde |
| 04:27.52 | roo9 | poli: ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached" |
| 04:28.05 | poli | roo9: never seen that, I am not sure what a non-delegated class would look like, though., |
| 04:28.20 | davis | bob2: can I just issue that command at prompt after the firewall script is coomplete? |
| 04:28.29 | poli | roo9: last resource: go to iana.org, search or ask. |
| 04:28.32 | bob2 | davis: sure... |
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| 04:28.48 | roo9 | poli: to elaborate, this is a new class of IP's my company just got allocated, i'm trying to figure out why reverse dns doesn't work... |
| 04:29.02 | Guerin | goddamn evilution is stupid |
| 04:29.03 | davis | besides iptables, is there any other packages I need? btw, iptables is latest version also. |
| 04:29.12 | poli | roo9: Who delegated this class to you? |
| 04:29.16 | deadcat | Guerin: HAHAH. evilution |
| 04:29.22 | roo9 | poli: check the whois. |
| 04:29.30 | roo9 | poli: basically, our upstream provider |
| 04:29.40 | bob2 | roo9: is it less than a /24? |
| 04:29.44 | Guerin | it has an option, right: Use SSL When Possible. My mum's install of it started failing on ssl, but would it fall back to non-ssl mode? No way. |
| 04:29.55 | roo9 | bob2: it's /24 |
| 04:29.56 | poli | roo9: someone needs to point to your DNS for resolution of this class. |
| 04:30.12 | bob2 | roo9: then they should have delegated rdns to you and asked for your dns server details |
| 04:30.13 | roo9 | poli: right, but how can i check to see if that was done? |
| 04:30.29 | poli | roo9: I don't know how things work in the US, where I am, the country delegate does that for you. |
| 04:30.44 | roo9 | which, i believe was done, but rdns is still not working. so i'm trying to check to make sure it was done |
| 04:30.54 | bob2 | okiedokie |
| 04:30.58 | poli | roo9: if the reverse does not answer, it probably has no DNS refistered. |
| 04:31.31 | poli | roo9: if you get a timeout, means that your upper level pointer doesn't know your DNS's address. |
| 04:31.40 | roo9 | i would like to be sure |
| 04:31.52 | roo9 | and i find it hard to imagine that there is no way to test/check that |
| 04:31.57 | poli | roo9: that's what I would except from a unallocated block. |
| 04:32.10 | poli | roo9: you just did. No DNS knows of your class. |
| 04:32.24 | bob2 | well |
| 04:32.37 | bob2 | if it got allocated out of some other block, presumably the other block has dns records for it |
| 04:32.51 | poli | bob2: not if it times out. |
| 04:33.11 | poli | bob2: that's the point, I believe that the other DNS isn't SOA for that class nor knows who is. |
| 04:33.38 | poli | bob2: If it KNEW who was, it would return his DNS' address, even though it might be unconfigured. |
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| 04:34.13 | bob2 | hm |
| 04:34.28 | bob2 | whois for random ip blocks here shows who's responsible for them |
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| 04:35.02 | poli | bob2: yes, but once they are delegated, is the old entity still responsible? I would take them off my servers. |
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| 04:35.49 | poli | bob2: but you have a point. It is weird. |
| 04:36.08 | poli | bob2: probably his ISP never configured the class in its DNS. |
| 04:36.22 | roo9 | poli/bob2: take a look @ that |
| 04:36.37 | dondelelcaro | poli: whois only lists who ARIN has assigned the range to... subdelegations are done ad-hoc, and require PTRs in the DNS server |
| 04:37.42 | bob2 | heh, you have 1/4 of your providers address space now |
| 04:38.16 | roo9 | bob2: yeah, we are going to get our own delegation from ARIN soon, just need to do the paperwork |
| 04:39.09 | poli | bob2,roo9,dondelelcaro: poli@etacarinae:~$ dig -t SOA -x 200.129.1.1 |
| 04:39.16 | poli | No response. |
| 04:39.21 | poli | What does that mean? |
| 04:39.31 | roo9 | i get a response |
| 04:39.32 | roo9 | but it's blank |
| 04:39.37 | roo9 | ;1.1.129.200.in-addr.arpa. IN SOA |
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| 04:39.51 | poli | roo9: No, look at SERVERFAIL |
| 04:40.02 | roo9 | ahhh |
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| 04:40.17 | roo9 | so, that should happen here if the block was unallocated, no? |
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| 04:40.34 | poli | dondelelcaro: If ARIN was poiting to the delegated first level, that shouldn't happen, right? |
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| 04:41.23 | bob2 | roo9: or if it was delegated to servers that don't exist/respond |
| 04:41.31 | roo9 | hrmmm |
| 04:41.41 | poli | bob2: but the SOA comes from the ROOT-SERVERS, doesn't it? |
| 04:41.46 | roo9 | our NS *should* respond |
| 04:41.52 | poli | bob2: you don't have to dig down there |
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| 04:42.03 | bob2 | I'd have thought it came from the level above |
| 04:42.08 | bob2 | but I'm way out of my depth here |
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| 04:42.19 | poli | bob2: you first find the SOA using upper servers than connect to the server to get the updated resolutions. |
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| 04:42.39 | guestish | hallo |
| 04:42.42 | hellop | hi |
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| 04:42.56 | guestish | simonrvn: cool |
| 04:42.58 | poli | roo9: let me trace the DNS query for your range. |
| 04:42.58 | guestish | gl w that |
| 04:43.08 | hellop | Why would you do make; make install sometimes, an just make install for other sources? |
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| 04:43.10 | roo9 | poli: thnaks |
| 04:43.15 | guestish | simonrvn: make a netinstall one |
| 04:43.17 | simonrvn | i can't see, no monitor ;) |
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| 04:43.22 | guestish | hellop: cause |
| 04:43.30 | streuner | simonrvn: why not gentoo? |
| 04:43.33 | guestish | sarge is only up to 15,802 packages =\ |
| 04:43.46 | hellop | guestish, ?? |
| 04:43.54 | streuner | simonrvn: it has some nice features too ;-) |
| 04:43.54 | dondelelcaro | !dstats sarge |
| 04:44.02 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15747 packages, 1471 maintainers, 28530 MB installed size, 9069 MB compressed size. |
| 04:44.06 | guestish | hellop: its a make script thingy, developer's choice |
| 04:44.08 | bob2 | hellop: make is all about dependencies...the "install" target should depend on the "build shit" target, but sometimes it doesn't |
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| 04:44.16 | guestish | hrm, well i guess i have a few unofficial mirros |
| 04:44.22 | guestish | like marillat |
| 04:44.26 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: compressed? = size/arch? |
| 04:44.32 | guestish | 28.6 gigs, not bad |
| 04:44.37 | dondelelcaro | bob2: that's only for i386 |
| 04:44.42 | bob2 | ah, ok |
| 04:44.44 | simonrvn | i might switch it to a debian box. with some dselect/aptitude magic |
| 04:44.45 | guestish | not bad compression |
| 04:44.51 | guestish | simonrvn: i hate dselect |
| 04:45.09 | npx | I'm dumber than a fuckin rock man |
| 04:45.16 | guestish | npx: dude! |
| 04:45.22 | npx | duuuude |
| 04:45.25 | simonrvn | ooh, mutt :) |
| 04:45.36 | guestish | dudeeee... |
| 04:45.38 | hellop | Well, I have two different docs for this source, usually for 2.4 kernel I do: make clean, make install. for 2.6 the howto says do make linux26. So, do I do the make install or what? |
| 04:45.39 | roo9 | that's quite good compression |
| 04:45.44 | guestish | hellop: do make help |
| 04:45.46 | hellop | make install linux26? |
| 04:45.55 | guestish | hellop: make help |
| 04:46.02 | Guerin | !tell hellop about kp |
| 04:46.04 | Guerin | !tell hellop about kp mantra |
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| 04:46.47 | guestish | you know, i should try that some time instead of using the defaults |
| 04:47.03 | simonrvn | i have usb on this thing, and a better cpu, some piii i think, at 350 or so. ( |
| 04:47.26 | simonrvn | needs ram, 96 MB... |
| 04:47.47 | npx | 96mb will get a light-duty server pretty far |
| 04:47.54 | simonrvn | (can you tell i'm bored waiting for this install to finish ?;) |
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| 04:49.45 | streuner | simonrvn: need any help for other than debian install, you are in the right place here? :-) |
| 04:49.59 | simonrvn | wait, still can't see |
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| 04:50.31 | poli | roo9: damn, my ethereal does not want to help. :( sorry. |
| 04:50.38 | roo9 | poli: thanks anyway |
| 04:50.39 | npx | and that, my friends, is why lilo is disliked by jesus |
| 04:50.42 | npx | this concludes my dissertation |
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| 04:51.06 | roo9 | poli,bob2: is it possible that tinydns just doesn't want to respond to that range? |
| 04:51.10 | Guerin | !52*78 |
| 04:51.10 | dpkg | 4056 |
| 04:51.14 | guestish | simonrvn: arent OS installs riveting? |
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| 04:51.27 | poli | roo9: query your local DNS and test. |
| 04:51.35 | guestish | you know i've never tried the ubuntu install |
| 04:51.40 | roo9 | hrmmm |
| 04:51.41 | poli | roo9: man dig (I think it is the @server option). |
| 04:51.43 | roo9 | doesn't work... |
| 04:51.58 | roo9 | but i have an entry in my data file for this domain |
| 04:52.08 | bob2 | dig 1.2.3.4 -x @your.domain.server |
| 04:52.15 | streuner | guestish: you prolly missed not much, cause ubuntu installer is _based_ on d-i ... ;-) |
| 04:52.41 | simonrvn | i might use thise as my desktop... |
| 04:52.45 | npx | I installed kubuntu on an old 800mhz duron box, and was _very_ pleased |
| 04:52.57 | npx | Those guys are headed in the right direction. |
| 04:53.12 | poli | roo9: dig 1.2.3.4 -t SOA -x @server |
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| 04:53.28 | streuner | npx: yeah, they are pretty cool, specially there support ;-) |
| 04:53.31 | guestish | streuner: aww, no GUI goodness? |
| 04:53.50 | Guerin | guestish: no such thing as gui goodness in an installer |
| 04:53.53 | Guerin | it's all badness |
| 04:54.07 | npx | well, not totally true |
| 04:54.15 | Guerin | yes, it is |
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| 04:54.21 | npx | If it's used to configure X11, that's cool imo |
| 04:54.24 | guestish | Guerin: come on, you gotta love Kudzu |
| 04:54.30 | npx | Show some images, calibrate your contrast, etc |
| 04:54.31 | bob2 | kudzu is terrible |
| 04:54.34 | Guerin | guestish: yeah, right... |
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| 04:54.41 | bob2 | and rh's installer is anaconda, not kudzu |
| 04:54.43 | peterS | poli: or simply: dig @server soa 1.2.3.4 |
| 04:54.59 | Guerin | kudzu is their shitty hardware detector |
| 04:55.14 | poli | peterS: I liked the good old nslookup sooo much... ;) |
| 04:55.15 | bob2 | which is almost completely obsolete |
| 04:55.28 | peterS | poli: I keep forgetting to use dig. it's a nicer tool than host, and I never cared for nslookup |
| 04:55.30 | roo9 | bob2, poli, f~dondelelcaro: farking hell, it simply mis-typed the IP in my djbdns file |
| 04:55.39 | bob2 | haha |
| 04:55.41 | peterS | roo9: heh |
| 04:56.06 | bob2 | I get the soa now for some reason |
| 04:56.10 | poli | roo9: hum a general DNS problem... or a typo. :) That's life. |
| 04:56.20 | npx | Guerin, I do agree that initially the installer should be text-only, but once the system is installed I think it should configure X11 and start it, and run you through a little overview of various desktop environments, and let you manage some other stuff graphically |
| 04:56.24 | roo9 | bob2: because the SOA is coming from my server |
| 04:56.29 | bob2 | ahhhh |
| 04:56.46 | Guerin | npx: bollocks. |
| 04:56.59 | npx | Guerin, for a desktop distro! |
| 04:57.08 | Guerin | npx: not until it can do it perfectly, first-time, every time, on randomly-chosen hardware. |
| 04:57.22 | npx | That's exactly why you start doing it and accepting bug reports |
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| 04:57.45 | Guerin | bullshit |
| 04:57.52 | guestish | come on, i like it |
| 04:58.01 | pipeline | npx: Canonical did and they are. Why don't you chat with the #ubuntu folks? |
| 04:58.11 | roo9 | npx: err, no. |
| 04:58.16 | npx | I'm really not trying to piss everyone off |
| 04:58.25 | npx | I'll go back to idling now |
| 04:58.27 | Guerin | if it fails - and in today's fast-moving graphic hardware world, it will - people will give up on the distro. |
| 04:58.40 | npx | there's no excuse for not failing cleanly |
| 04:58.47 | roo9 | that all said, it would be nice if debian had better autodetection for setting up X11 |
| 04:59.00 | pipeline | Every distribution has the exact same autodetection for setting up X11 |
| 04:59.07 | pipeline | the autodetection built into XFree86. |
| 04:59.11 | npx | X -configure, yeah |
| 04:59.13 | Guerin | i have never had a moment's trouble setting up basic X on debian or any other distro except mandrake. |
| 04:59.14 | npx | and it needs work. |
| 04:59.16 | thr1ce | xorgconfig |
| 04:59.18 | guestish | probably all use the knoppix's variation on it too |
| 04:59.29 | pipeline | thr1ce: xorgconfig is the same thing. |
| 04:59.32 | npx | Guerin, you could handwrite an XF86Config-4 in a pinch, too, right? |
| 04:59.33 | guestish | for the base hardware detection that is |
| 04:59.38 | npx | that's just not everyone man |
| 04:59.41 | Guerin | npx: hell no, i never touch that thing. |
| 04:59.46 | pipeline | guestish: Knoppix uses discover. Discover sucks ass. |
| 04:59.56 | Guerin | npx: i only ever use drxx |
| 05:00.12 | pipeline | guestish: Besides, these days we have hotplug. |
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| 05:00.41 | furrywolf | I do my XF86Config-4's by hand... two video cards (one nvidia, one ati all-in-wonder), three graphics tablets, two mice,... |
| 05:00.46 | simonrvn | found some ram, but no ps2 mouse. have some old serial (?) mouse that *might* work... |
| 05:01.06 | furrywolf | simon: what're you up to? |
| 05:01.22 | pipeline | furrywolf: IT would be fun to try that in xf86cfg. Just for shits'n'giggles |
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| 05:01.51 | furrywolf | it does graphics tablets, dual-head setups with both the gatos and the nvidia drivers, etc? :P |
| 05:02.11 | npx | I could never get gatos to do accelerated 3D *and* TV-in |
| 05:02.20 | npx | it was one or the other |
| 05:02.22 | ocxy | algum brasileiro on-line ? |
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| 05:02.34 | streuner | !br |
| 05:02.34 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 05:02.48 | ocxy | tkz |
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| 05:03.33 | furrywolf | simon: project? |
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| 05:07.00 | simonrvn | done first part. now rebooting |
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| 05:10.02 | silverton | What is needed in fstab, for the partition (ext3) to be writable by users? |
| 05:10.21 | bob2 | nothing |
| 05:10.23 | dondelelcaro | silverton: you just need to set the permisions on the partition appropriately. |
| 05:10.31 | furrywolf | silverton: nothing. just set the permissions on the mountpoint... |
| 05:10.42 | streuner | dpkg ext2->ext3 |
| 05:10.42 | dpkg | i guess ext2->ext3 is To upgrade an ext2 partition to ext3 simply involves adding a journal. 'tune2fs -j /dev/hda1' (where hda1 is the partition you want to change to ext3). Don't forget to change /etc/fstab to specify ext3 for the partition. Be sure to verify that your kernel has ext3 support (cat /proc/filesystems) |
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| 05:12.06 | naoliv | How is the Step 3 of NM (Philosophy and Procedures) done? The questions are asked via email, IRC or something else? |
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| 05:12.17 | dondelelcaro | naoliv: generally via e-mail |
| 05:12.17 | bob2 | email |
| 05:13.03 | dondelelcaro | although, the AM can conduct the P&P in a slightly different manner if they prefer, but because it needs to be documented, e-mail is the cannonical method |
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| 05:13.19 | naoliv | dondelelcaro: And is it there some kind of maximum time to answer? |
| 05:13.29 | dondelelcaro | (plus, it's almost unheard of for an applicant to be anywhere near where their AM is) |
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| 05:13.47 | bob2 | if you take more than months without replying at all, you'll be put on hold |
| 05:13.49 | dondelelcaro | naoliv: no, but it really shouldn't take you more than a week. |
| 05:14.16 | CyL | would it be correct to create an etc dir inside /usr/local to store not conventional programs config files and startup scripts? |
| 05:14.18 | dondelelcaro | (unless you procrastinate...) |
| 05:14.57 | naoliv | So, the user who is in NM process could look for the answer on the net? (It's something not correct to do, I know) |
| 05:15.10 | dondelelcaro | naoliv: no, it's absolutely correct to do. |
| 05:15.23 | dondelelcaro | naoliv: the questions are comprehensive enough that looking up the answer is the expected thing. |
| 05:15.33 | furrywolf | naoliv: RTFMing is a required skill. demonstrating profeciency at it is a plus. :P |
| 05:15.49 | bob2 | CyL: sure |
| 05:16.02 | naoliv | dondelelcaro, furrywolf : Hum... that was one thing that I didn't know... |
| 05:16.25 | dondelelcaro | for example, my first question: 0. What is Debian's approach to non-free software? Why? Is non-free part of the Debian System? |
| 05:16.27 | CyL | bob2: Is there a special motive that this directory is not created by default? |
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| 05:16.52 | bob2 | CyL: oh, sorry, misread you. I'd just put them in /etc/ |
| 05:17.44 | CyL | bob2: Wouldn't that be considered an abnormal usage? |
| 05:17.50 | bob2 | CyL: no |
| 05:17.55 | dondelelcaro | furrywolf: you don't need to wait to do that... you can jump in and help now. |
| 05:18.01 | CyL | bob2: thanks a lot |
| 05:18.09 | naoliv | dondelelcaro: Are you a DD? |
| 05:18.14 | dondelelcaro | naoliv: yes. |
| 05:18.19 | npx | this poseidon UML program may just be THE slowest program I have ever used |
| 05:18.20 | dondelelcaro | (and an AM, for that matter) |
| 05:18.23 | dondelelcaro | http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&ignnew=on&ignpatch=on&new=3 |
| 05:18.26 | dondelelcaro | furrywolf: ^^^ |
| 05:18.29 | naoliv | dondelelcaro: Nice! :-) |
| 05:18.56 | furrywolf | dondel: I suck at dealing with other people's code... |
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| 05:19.51 | d03boy | what would be the easiest/best way to patch my Xserver for evdev support? |
| 05:19.56 | furrywolf | npx: no clue what it is, but could it really be slower than firefox? :P |
| 05:20.04 | furrywolf | d03boy: um? you probably don't need to. |
| 05:20.09 | furrywolf | what device are you trying to use? |
| 05:20.23 | simonrvn | someone got an extra usb mouse they can send me? ;p (j/k) |
| 05:20.30 | d03boy | furrywolf, well i'm just reading this howto I got from google to get my mouse buttons to work.. it seems to think I do |
| 05:20.41 | furrywolf | simon: sadly, I only have one, and I don't think it's spare. :) |
| 05:20.44 | guestish | simonrvn: sure, 5 bucks for the mouse, 50 USD for shipping and handling :) |
| 05:20.45 | furrywolf | simon: what're you working on? |
| 05:20.47 | naoliv | dondelelcaro: What happens if a NM doesn't answer correctly the questions? There is another chance? And what is the minimun % of corrects answers? |
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| 05:21.11 | d03boy | using the: strings /usr/X11R6/bin/X | grep evdev command I dont get any output, so the howto says I should patch |
| 05:22.03 | dbunch | hey what happens if i only compiled in the CFQ I/O scheduler, but i dont put in : elevator=cfq into grub as a kernel option? |
| 05:22.25 | d03boy | furrywolf, does that explain it well enough? |
| 05:22.26 | furrywolf | dbunch: your kernel is 1k or so larger? :P |
| 05:22.37 | guestish | beats me |
| 05:22.40 | glick | furrywolf, what do you mean/ |
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| 05:22.57 | glick | 1k larger! |
| 05:23.06 | glick | i only have a gig of ram, i cant waste space like that |
| 05:23.12 | naoliv | glick: I did this one time... It booted without problem... |
| 05:23.14 | furrywolf | glick: I mean that I think it does absolutely positively nothing unless you unable it; hence all compiling it in but not using it does is make the kernel image larger. |
| 05:23.24 | furrywolf | s/unable/enable |
| 05:23.38 | guestish | whats the CFQ I/O Scheduler do? |
| 05:23.44 | guestish | oh yeah, and i do have a question |
| 05:23.45 | furrywolf | glick: bah, I have 2 gigs. makes it much nicer. :P |
| 05:23.51 | glick | furrywolf, but it is the ONLY schedular i compiled in |
| 05:24.05 | furrywolf | hrmm. dunno then. |
| 05:24.06 | glick | guestish, its a process schedular |
| 05:24.12 | bob2 | er |
| 05:24.18 | bob2 | it's an i/o scheduler, afaik |
| 05:24.31 | guestish | i have a buggy bios and APIC enables some weird IRQ allocation that freezes my computer at start, is there any way to use APIC and to disable ACPI PnP or ACPI irq routing (doing acpi=noirq at boot doesnt do it) |
| 05:24.32 | dondelelcaro | naoliv: there isn't a minimum, but basically what happens is the AM works with the applicant. If it's obvious that the applicant isn't ready, the AM can soft-reject the applicant and suggest that they reapply when they are ready. |
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| 05:24.37 | guestish | bob2: it change anything? |
| 05:24.58 | furrywolf | guestish: pci=noacpi |
| 05:25.01 | guestish | it always freezes at the HD detection screen |
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| 05:25.08 | glick | guestish, yeah, it determins which process gets priority cpu time |
| 05:25.14 | bob2 | guestish: it changes how the kernel schedules disk access |
| 05:25.17 | dondelelcaro | naoliv: but generally well before you apply you've already demonstrated that you're capable of doing the job that you plan on doing in Debian. |
| 05:25.17 | naoliv | dondelelcaro: How many questions more or less are asked? (Sorry if I am bothering you with those questions) |
| 05:25.19 | guestish | bob2: compared to...? |
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| 05:25.26 | bob2 | glick: I'm pretty sure it's not the process scheduler |
| 05:25.33 | guestish | the default one? |
| 05:25.42 | glick | bob2, it is the process schedular |
| 05:25.54 | bob2 | glick: if you say so |
| 05:25.54 | dondelelcaro | naoliv: really depends on the AM. I think I ask around ~50 or so |
| 05:26.11 | Scrape | Got a question here... I'm using libnss-ldap for users/groups/hosts, and I've got nsswitch.conf setup appropriately. When I ping/etc, names appears to be looked up properly; however, when I use SSH, it does not properly look them up. Any thoughts? |
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| 05:26.24 | furrywolf | brb, checking if my cat is ready to come in |
| 05:26.34 | guestish | furrywolf: it freezes at the _hard drive_ detection screen |
| 05:26.39 | cdc | i have installed Debian Sarge . I have got a dual boot Parition (Debian and Windows 98) i am having some problems with windows98 but if i overwrite windows i ll lose Grub how do i recover it in Debian. I ve got the Debian Sarge DVD |
| 05:26.40 | guestish | furrywolf: pci seems to work fine |
| 05:26.41 | glick | anyway do i have to add elevator=cfg as option that i pass to the kernel/ |
| 05:26.43 | d03boy | what would be the easiest/best way to patch my Xserver for evdev support? |
| 05:27.21 | naoliv | dondelelcaro: Right. Thank you very much for your attention! It was good to get my doubts explained. :-) |
| 05:27.23 | furrywolf | guestish: your IDE controller is connected to the PCI bus, no? if you're having irq-related acpi problems with ide, telling it not to use acpi for pci bus might make a big help. |
| 05:27.31 | Xinux | <--- AGP |
| 05:27.33 | Xinux | :D |
| 05:27.43 | dondelelcaro | naoliv: np. if you have any more questions, feel free to ask, or read through the documentation on nm.debian.org |
| 05:27.45 | Xinux | oh nvm, sorry |
| 05:27.49 | guestish | furrywolf: alright |
| 05:27.57 | guestish | you sure IDE is connected to the PCI bus? |
| 05:27.58 | naoliv | dondelelcaro: OK. Thanks again! |
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| 05:28.29 | Scrape | One other thing... lookups work properly when logged in as root, but not as my normal user. |
| 05:28.35 | gteppel | Is there a skelton init.d script in debian that you can use to build your own? |
| 05:28.41 | guestish | gteppel: probably |
| 05:28.57 | guestish | gteppel: called skeleton if i remember correctly |
| 05:29.10 | guestish | gteppel: in /etc/init.d |
| 05:29.17 | gteppel | ok |
| 05:29.18 | gteppel | thanks |
| 05:29.20 | guestish | np |
| 05:29.28 | guestish | furrywolf: i'll give it a try, thx |
| 05:30.02 | Zaphar_ps | php4 is not showing the GD libraries but I installed them using apt-get and the module is there and the php.ini file has it enabled |
| 05:30.13 | Zaphar_ps | am I missing something? |
| 05:30.27 | guestish | alrighty |
| 05:30.28 | guestish | wish me luck |
| 05:30.30 | cdc | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.18 | boukensya | hey guys.. I was just wondering what command I need in grub after my kernel pass to get it to not use framebuffer at all. I think it is "video=??" |
| 05:32.34 | naoliv | glick: If you only compiled CFQ and don't pass elevator=cfq, it will be used the noop scheduler (I am almost sure about that). |
| 05:32.37 | Guerin | boukensya: /msg dpkg hwinfo |
| 05:32.48 | cdc | how do i recover my grub loader in Debian. when i type linux rescue it does not find the linux image |
| 05:32.50 | glick | naoliv, whats the noop schdular? |
| 05:32.56 | cdc | could anyone help me? |
| 05:32.58 | MrKeuner | help |
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| 05:33.06 | MrKeuner | help |
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| 05:33.58 | boukensya | Guerin: ahh cool, so I just put "video="whatever hwinfo says here"" after my kernel pass in grub and that should work? |
| 05:34.10 | Guerin | cdc: boot to a shell, mount your root, chroot to it, mount /proc, run grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub |
| 05:34.21 | Guerin | boukensya: no, vga=xxx |
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| 05:34.27 | Guerin | where xxx is a three-letter code |
| 05:34.29 | Guerin | err |
| 05:34.32 | Guerin | three number code |
| 05:34.34 | lvdsn | hello |
| 05:34.38 | lvdsn | i have a problem |
| 05:34.48 | lvdsn | with my HP5150 printer |
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| 05:35.03 | Guerin | !printer |
| 05:35.03 | dpkg | somebody said printer was a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui |
| 05:35.09 | Scrape | Ok... I've got LDAP serving hostnames, nscd running, and I'm trying to connect to some of my other hosts... as root, name lookups appear to be just fine... as non-root, I can ping the other hosts by name, but if I try ssh, telnet, w3m, etc, I get a name resolution failure. Any thoughts? |
| 05:35.31 | boukensya | Guerin: on the same line as "kernel /boot/whatever" ?? |
| 05:35.35 | lvdsn | is another problem |
| 05:35.43 | lvdsn | please |
| 05:35.51 | lvdsn | when i start my debian sarge |
| 05:35.53 | bob2 | Xinux: please turn that off? |
| 05:35.57 | Xinux | oh sorry |
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| 05:36.01 | Guerin | as a kernel parameter, yes |
| 05:36.16 | lvdsn | i have my printer on |
| 05:36.20 | Guerin | !enter |
| 05:36.20 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
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| 05:36.39 | guestish | no such luck... |
| 05:36.41 | boukensya | cool thanks heaps Guerin |
| 05:36.42 | guestish | didnt work |
| 05:36.44 | lvdsn | but when i put lsusb |
| 05:36.48 | naoliv | glick: I don't know exactly, but it's a very simple IO scheduler. Really simple and small. |
| 05:36.53 | lvdsn | the printer is down |
| 05:37.08 | Xinux | Wowoww---...!?. |
| 05:37.10 | glick | naoliv, so i guess i should add that line as an option to the kernel then |
| 05:37.19 | guestish | furrywolf: =\ |
| 05:37.44 | valdyn | glick: whats wrong with the default scheduler? |
| 05:37.47 | rj` | I need some help -- I have 2 harddrives -- 1 harddrive contains my debian installation -- |
| 05:37.47 | rj` | the other is a 40gig harddrive -- i went to transfer the entire harddrive to the new 40 gig |
| 05:37.47 | rj` | (im replacing it) are there any tools for this? |
| 05:37.48 | furrywolf | guerin: the factoid isn't going to help. some people simply aren't thinking more than 3 words in advance; thus arranging a coherent sentance is impossible. |
| 05:37.51 | Xinux | wowow...;:,?!.--- |
| 05:38.05 | Guerin | furrywolf: not my problem |
| 05:38.07 | furrywolf | guestish: what makes you think the problem is acpi? |
| 05:38.09 | lvdsn | i put modprobe -r ohci_hcd and then put modprobe ohci_hcd |
| 05:38.13 | glick | valdyn, nothing is wrong with it |
| 05:38.17 | glick | but for desktops |
| 05:38.19 | naoliv | glick: Yes, if you only have CFQ, you will need elevator=cfq. If you don't put, it will still works OK, using the noop scheduler. But since noop is simple, I think that it won't run as good as CFQ. |
| 05:38.20 | lvdsn | and then the printer functions ok |
| 05:38.23 | glick | the cfq is better for what i do |
| 05:38.23 | guestish | furrywolf: cause when i disable apic and acpi irq routing it boots fine |
| 05:38.34 | glick | thanks naoliv |
| 05:38.37 | guestish | furrywolf: i get a irq 11 panic w/ acpi's irq routing |
| 05:38.38 | bob2 | rj`: if you're using ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu. if you're using debian, ask here. |
| 05:38.40 | bob2 | rj`: pick ONE. |
| 05:38.51 | rj` | bob2: it's the same question -- |
| 05:38.56 | guestish | furrywolf: it _could_ be PnP, but i dunno how to disable it, my bios doesnt have an option |
| 05:38.57 | furrywolf | guestish: if you have a set of options that makes it work fine, why are you trying to change them? :P |
| 05:39.03 | bob2 | rj`: and you're presumably not running both |
| 05:39.05 | guestish | furrywolf: cause i want APIC |
| 05:39.15 | guestish | it must do something different ;) |
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| 05:39.24 | furrywolf | but if it's broken on your box, you don't want it. :P |
| 05:39.31 | guestish | furrywolf: heh |
| 05:39.38 | lvdsn | please someone help me |
| 05:39.45 | furrywolf | MANY boxes simply have broken acpi |
| 05:39.49 | valdyn | guestish: you could try to tweak irq assignments in your bios |
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| 05:39.59 | Guerin | s/boxes/biosen/ |
| 05:40.08 | guestish | valdyn: cant, its a crappy bios |
| 05:40.23 | furrywolf | on one of my boxes, if I don't use pci=noacpi, two of my PCI slots stop working. :P |
| 05:40.25 | boukensya | Guerin: that tells me different fb resolutions, but I want to completely disable it |
| 05:40.37 | Guerin | boukensya: vga=normal |
| 05:40.43 | guestish | heh |
| 05:40.45 | boukensya | oooh awesome.. thanks |
| 05:40.54 | valdyn | umm, acpi!=apic |
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| 05:41.06 | guestish | no, but apic uses acpi |
| 05:41.12 | guestish | or visa versa |
| 05:41.26 | guestish | you need acpi for apic |
| 05:41.29 | guestish | right? |
| 05:41.30 | furrywolf | I think it's the via usb chip... the via usb chip shares an irq with those two pci slots, and I think it doesn't like acpi. |
| 05:41.30 | lvdsn | someone helps me with my printer ? |
| 05:41.33 | valdyn | guestish: no |
| 05:41.41 | guestish | so i can use APIC w/o ACPI? |
| 05:41.43 | streuner | !apic |
| 05:41.43 | dpkg | apic is probably Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller, a new PIC, and about time too... |
| 05:41.47 | guestish | heh |
| 05:41.56 | guestish | apic is bugged on my machine i guess |
| 05:41.57 | furrywolf | !acpi |
| 05:41.57 | dpkg | i guess acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 05:42.01 | Guerin | ly |
| 05:42.02 | valdyn | guestish: all they have in common is the letters and that they seem to break often |
| 05:42.25 | guestish | i dont think they are related due to the acronym, its just when i enable apic it seems to enable acpi |
| 05:42.31 | boukensya | brb gonna test it out |
| 05:42.37 | furrywolf | "horribly horribly broken" best description I've seen yet. :) |
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| 05:43.01 | guestish | maybe ill try acpi=off apic |
| 05:43.02 | streuner | guestish: you prolly don't need apic |
| 05:43.09 | Guerin | toshiba are part of the crowd who originally developed acpi, and acpi DOESN'T WORK on by toshiba laptop |
| 05:43.10 | guestish | streuner: probably not, whats different about it? |
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| 05:43.22 | furrywolf | sadly, my box seems faster with acpi, but I have too many cards to sacrafice two of my slots. |
| 05:43.35 | furrywolf | (not faster per se, but lower latency under load) |
| 05:43.37 | Guerin | sacrifice |
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| 05:43.46 | valdyn | furrywolf: that would be strange |
| 05:43.46 | furrywolf | guerin: I'm half asleep. |
| 05:43.52 | lvdsn | hello, someone helps me with that printer? |
| 05:43.53 | furrywolf | waiting for my cat so I can go to bed. :) |
| 05:44.00 | Guerin | furrywolf: ... |
| 05:44.10 | Guerin | showertime |
| 05:44.18 | guestish | streuner: whats diff. w/ PIC vs APIC? |
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| 05:44.43 | furrywolf | valdyn: most notable with USB. under heavy load, my usb mouse lags a bit... but with acpi, and not using those two slots, there's no lag under load. |
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| 05:45.12 | Justin | !test |
| 05:45.12 | dpkg | Yes, justin, you're still online. |
| 05:45.35 | binarydigit_ | hah |
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| 05:45.59 | binarydigit | i noticed the website was down too |
| 05:46.23 | Justin | yeah, lost the internet 1 connection for a while tehre |
| 05:46.27 | streuner | guestish: a feature to turn IRQ routing on or scanning PCI scanning, usually on high end servers with SMP, IIRC |
| 05:46.36 | furrywolf | !test |
| 05:46.37 | dpkg | No, furrywolf, you're not online any more. |
| 05:46.40 | furrywolf | !test |
| 05:46.42 | valdyn | isnt the toshiba acpi driver ( though nonstandard i guess ) making good use of toshiba laptops acpi? |
| 05:46.46 | furrywolf | hrmm |
| 05:46.48 | furrywolf | !test |
| 05:46.48 | dpkg | Sorry, furrywolf, I didn't get your test. |
| 05:46.52 | furrywolf | there we go. :) |
| 05:46.59 | streuner | guestish: grep your documentation (linux kernel source) - it explains it |
| 05:47.10 | glick | i have a question if i just add an entry for the main device in fstab like sda, can you also mount subpartitions like sda1 or must you add express lines into fstab for each possible partition that might exist on a removable disk? |
| 05:47.10 | guestish | streuner: which file? |
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| 05:47.26 | furrywolf | glick: you don't add an entry for sda. |
| 05:47.45 | glick | furrywolf, cause my cdrom is just listed as hdb |
| 05:47.59 | fwiw39 | i heard darth vader's life support system ran on DEBIAN! |
| 05:48.01 | furrywolf | then you won't have partitions |
| 05:48.03 | valdyn | furrywolf: your latency issue is probably only related to those 2 slots and has nothing to do with acpi ( since acpi has nothing to do with that... ) |
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| 05:48.22 | deadcat | fwiw39: where you heard that? |
| 05:48.24 | furrywolf | fwiw: Linus.. Is... Your... Father... |
| 05:48.34 | Xinux | Linus? |
| 05:48.38 | Arhuaco | how do I add http://debian.meebey.net/pkg-mono/ to my sources.list? |
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| 05:48.42 | Xinux | whois Linus? |
| 05:48.50 | john | ....... |
| 05:48.53 | deadcat | Xinux: some bum |
| 05:48.56 | john | your father. |
| 05:49.01 | furrywolf | valdyn: but even with those slots empty, pci=noacpi has the problem, while not giving it doesn't. :) |
| 05:49.06 | Xinux | my father is upstairs |
| 05:49.07 | Xinux | lol |
| 05:49.19 | deadcat | Xinux: you were adopted. |
| 05:49.24 | john | lol |
| 05:49.25 | valdyn | furrywolf: ah weird |
| 05:49.27 | Xinux | :\ |
| 05:49.33 | guestish | time to reboot |
| 05:49.33 | fwiw39 | deathstar OS is Debian |
| 05:49.37 | deadcat | john: or his ma was fucking linux before this other guy (= |
| 05:49.39 | fwiw39 | can you imagine? |
| 05:49.44 | fwiw39 | the deathstar, running on debian |
| 05:49.47 | john | deadcat: lol |
| 05:49.50 | glick | furrywolf, also, for example, sometimes when i plug in my usb stick its sdb |
| 05:49.53 | deadcat | fwiw39: shutup |
| 05:49.56 | fwiw39 | :/ |
| 05:49.57 | naoliv | glick: About the schedulers: http://awlinux1.alphaworks.ibm.com/developerworks/linux390/perf/tuning_rec_dasd_ioScheduler.shtml and http://kerneltrap.org/comment/reply/3851/12037 |
| 05:50.01 | deadcat | john: he asked for it. |
| 05:50.07 | glick | if i already have another mass disk device mounted |
| 05:50.11 | glick | other times its sda |
| 05:50.15 | glick | so how do i do that? |
| 05:50.20 | Xinux | StArWaRs Revenge of the Sith and GAYS |
| 05:50.22 | furrywolf | valdyn: it's an older dual p3 board... oddness isn't that unexpected. :) |
| 05:50.25 | deadcat | glick: sdb |
| 05:50.49 | valdyn | glick: thats the expected behaviour, if you want the device file to be identical depending on h/w you are plugging in you need to edit udevs policy |
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| 05:51.11 | glick | valdyn, where do i edit that? |
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| 05:51.21 | deadcat | justin: havent seen you here in a while. what up |
| 05:51.29 | furrywolf | brb, checking for my cat again |
| 05:51.38 | valdyn | glick: /etc/udev/* ( i never did it, so i cant help you w/ details.. ) |
| 05:51.38 | justin | deadcat: i've been here |
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| 05:51.57 | justin | deadcat: you just haven't seen me JOIN because i'm here 24/7/365 :-) |
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| 05:52.06 | deadcat | justin: hehe. |
| 05:52.33 | binarydigit | cept when someone trips over a cable and knocks you offline |
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| 05:52.54 | deadcat | justin: you are the bouncybouncy justin_ right? |
| 05:52.54 | john | somebody tripped over my wireless connection once. |
| 05:53.05 | valdyn | glick: scsi device naming is by default dependend on the order of plugging in / detection anyway |
| 05:53.19 | d03boy | does debian load the ~/.Xmodmap file? or will I need to use .xinit? |
| 05:53.38 | deadcat | d03boy: let us know |
| 05:53.55 | d03boy | good point |
| 05:53.59 | Arhuaco | bye |
| 05:54.00 | deadcat | no shit |
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| 05:54.14 | justin | deadcat: yeah |
| 05:54.23 | d03boy | sounds like someone needs a hug |
| 05:54.44 | deadcat | justin: cool. |
| 05:55.00 | deadcat | d03boy: shutup |
| 05:55.03 | furrywolf | cat in, bbl, sleep |
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| 05:57.17 | guestish | furrywolf: well |
| 05:57.29 | guestish | furrywolf: ACPI works, APIC doesnt |
| 05:57.41 | streuner | <furrywolf> cat in, bbl, sleep |
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| 05:58.04 | simonrvn | guestish: blah, was falling asleep during the install... |
| 05:58.10 | guestish | simonrvn: blah! |
| 05:58.13 | silverton | can anyone supply with an fstab entry for an ext3 partition? |
| 05:58.28 | guestish | silverton: just use auto |
| 05:58.33 | simonrvn | streuner: yeh right, gentoo.. oh do you mean the gtk file "manager" ? ;p |
| 05:58.34 | jetscreamer | i fell asleep 6 times in a clients chair removing 6 viruses yesterday |
| 05:58.42 | d03boy | fyi to anyone here, apparently .Xmodmap and .xinit both do nothing |
| 05:58.43 | silverton | so, "ext3 auto" ? |
| 05:58.45 | guestish | linux'll auto-detect partition type |
| 05:58.48 | simonrvn | guestish: *grin* |
| 05:58.54 | guestish | :) |
| 05:59.10 | simonrvn | freaking thing just locked up - dunno why. probably the acpi crap |
| 05:59.25 | simonrvn | anyway, it'll me install the ram and mouse |
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| 05:59.30 | simonrvn | let me* |
| 05:59.34 | sparr__ | Why is bash telling me "no such file or directory" when I try to run a binary via ./binaryname ? |
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| 05:59.51 | bob2 | is it executable? |
| 05:59.57 | sparr__ | bob2: yes |
| 05:59.59 | bob2 | is it a script invoking a non-existent interpreter? |
| 06:00.02 | guestish | !tell silverton about fstab |
| 06:00.03 | sparr__ | bob2: no |
| 06:00.04 | silverton | guestish, I still get "access denied" |
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| 06:00.15 | guestish | silverton: try being root |
| 06:00.25 | sparr__ | bob2: bash even recognizes it as executable for filename completion. ./binaTAB works |
| 06:00.31 | streuner | guetish: you don't use an official debian kernel then. |
| 06:00.36 | bob2 | sparr__: what is it? |
| 06:00.43 | streuner | guestish: ^^^ |
| 06:00.58 | sparr__ | bob2: something called 'stool', its a string manipulation tool. came with a program i downloaded, its part of the Make process |
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| 06:01.05 | guestish | streuner: whats wrong with my kernel? =P |
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| 06:01.16 | streuner | guestish: but as i said before, you don't need it - nothing |
| 06:01.24 | silverton | guestish, I want it writable by user :'((( |
| 06:01.24 | boukensya | Guerin: Thanks man that worked like a charm |
| 06:01.33 | silverton | so, I can go all gui'fied to copy |
| 06:01.36 | guestish | silverton: ROFLMAO |
| 06:01.40 | streuner | guestish: grep -i apic your_kernel_config |
| 06:01.41 | guestish | !lart silverton |
| 06:01.45 | silverton | lart |
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| 06:01.55 | d03boy | could anyone point me to a howto for getting all of my mousebuttons working uniquely? (10 of them...) ... I've searched google and read a couple, and they arent working for me. perhaps I need something debian specific |
| 06:01.56 | guestish | streuner: you talking about the .config file? |
| 06:01.58 | silverton | er... lol |
| 06:02.01 | streuner | yes |
| 06:02.17 | boukensya | no everything seems to work except mpg123sh (perl module) when I run it it says "connection to mpg123 process lost" |
| 06:02.17 | guestish | CONFIG_X86_GOOD_APIC=y |
| 06:02.17 | guestish | CONFIG_X86_LOCAL_APIC=y |
| 06:02.17 | guestish | CONFIG_X86_IO_APIC=y |
| 06:02.24 | boukensya | now even |
| 06:02.41 | guestish | silverton: dont make such stupid remarks |
| 06:02.51 | silverton | guestish, but I enjoy OH so much! |
| 06:03.01 | bob2 | d03boy: you're boned |
| 06:03.10 | bob2 | also, what on earth do you want 10 buttons for? |
| 06:03.15 | streuner | guestish: ok, you played with the kernel parameters then |
| 06:03.28 | bob2 | if you need evdev support (as you claim), recompiling X will be a massive pain in the ass |
| 06:03.31 | pius | apt-get install msttcorefonts --> Package msttcorefonts has no installation candidate |
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| 06:03.36 | guestish | streuner: i did compile the kernel...\ |
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| 06:03.38 | pius | whats the problem |
| 06:03.41 | d03boy | bob2, To be honest, I would be happy with just getting forward and back buttons to work |
| 06:03.45 | guestish | streuner: why? those should be m or n? |
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| 06:03.54 | glick | anyone use hal and pmount? |
| 06:03.57 | bob2 | pius: enable contrib in your /etc/apt/sources.list (ie put it after main on your debian mirror lines) |
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| 06:04.11 | pius | and how do i make kdm the default windows manager |
| 06:04.12 | bob2 | d03boy: no, they're just random buttons, you need to configure each app if you want them to care about them |
| 06:04.18 | pius | ;) |
| 06:04.37 | guestish | streuner: wanna see my boot line? |
| 06:04.50 | d03boy | bob2, using xev, the forward and back buttons return the same button # as some of the other buttons. It's only recognizing 5 buttons I think |
| 06:04.59 | streuner | guestish: in official kernels you have 5 entries, all are 'y' |
| 06:05.04 | guestish | streuner: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.9 root=/dev/sda1 ro pci=noacpi acpi_irq_balance noapic |
| 06:05.10 | guestish | streuner: 5 entries...? |
| 06:05.20 | Xinux | guestish, Yo mama's so poor, when Yo family watches TV, they go to Sears. |
| 06:05.31 | guestish | Xinux: bite me |
| 06:05.35 | Xinux | lol |
| 06:05.41 | Xinux | i mean "haha" |
| 06:05.41 | streuner | guestish: yes #flood |
| 06:05.57 | toresbe | http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/501.html brlrleb gnenafngh |
| 06:06.07 | Xinux | guestish, Yo mama's so ugly the government moved Halloween to her birthday. |
| 06:06.25 | liable | d03boy: what desktop ow wm you use? both the later kde and gnomes, dont read the xmodmap file, you have to add it, to start somehow |
| 06:06.29 | silverton | eh... :-/ How do I copy a directory with cli? |
| 06:06.36 | toresbe | silverton: cp -r |
| 06:06.38 | sypher | hey guys, some of ya knowns what specs should have a mail server for 250/300 users ? i cant think of any ... dont know what would be good for that. can someone help ? ^_^ |
| 06:06.52 | d03boy | liable, ok, that begins to help me :) ... I am using flux btw |
| 06:06.54 | toresbe | sypher: depends on how active they are |
| 06:06.57 | streuner | !tell Xinux about guidelines |
| 06:06.58 | guestish | streuner: so you wanna see dmesg or what? |
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| 06:07.05 | sypher | toresbe, 10 / 30 mails @ a day each person. |
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| 06:07.17 | sypher | and thats a fairly high value since most of them just get 0 / 5 |
| 06:07.26 | sypher | but some others get something like 200 ... |
| 06:07.36 | toresbe | sypher: The Cheapest Machine In The Store should do that easily |
| 06:07.36 | Xinux | •streuner• nothing in there about what i'm saying |
| 06:07.38 | Xinux | :D |
| 06:07.43 | xeer | anyone gotten a ppc laptop to work with a projector? deb-ppc is dead |
| 06:07.47 | Guerin | 486 might be a bit minimal |
| 06:07.48 | guestish | Xinux: go do something with your life |
| 06:07.50 | streuner | guestish: no, i guess you disabled apic via kernel parameters |
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| 06:07.56 | toresbe | sypher: You do want to have some sort of RAID, probably |
| 06:08.02 | Guerin | i'd go for at least a ppro |
| 06:08.04 | guestish | streuner: yeah, i had to, otherwise it wont boot fully |
| 06:08.04 | sypher | toresbe, why that ? |
| 06:08.06 | toresbe | sypher: (for reliability, bot speed) |
| 06:08.09 | toresbe | not* |
| 06:08.13 | sypher | ah ok |
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| 06:08.21 | Xinux | •guestish• Well, at 1:08am I can't really do much. |
| 06:08.25 | toresbe | sypher: Modern disks die quickly, very quickly |
| 06:08.36 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 06:08.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:08.39 | toresbe | sypher: Anything that people depends on, I would RAID |
| 06:08.43 | guestish | streuner: doesnt seem to keep a log of the failed boots either |
| 06:08.49 | sypher | toresbe, yea noticed that :( a 250gb NOT BACKUPPED disk died on me last week ... dammit. |
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| 06:08.57 | Xinux | !gr |
| 06:08.59 | d03boy | oh wow, I just found something that should help me.. im gunna try it |
| 06:09.00 | toresbe | sypher: ditto |
| 06:09.01 | Xinux | !lol |
| 06:09.04 | liable | d03boy: do your keys work, if you call the xmodmap file by command? |
| 06:09.12 | Xinux | bot doesn't listen to me |
| 06:09.23 | streuner | Xinux: #6 |
| 06:09.23 | Xinux | i think the owner made it ignore me |
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| 06:09.24 | efs | i try to find french channel on this server can you help me please ? |
| 06:09.34 | sypher | toresbe, so u think a normal intel 1 or 2 ghz would do the trick ? raid and hu ... 1gb of ram ? |
| 06:09.35 | jetscreamer | !fr |
| 06:09.35 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 06:09.37 | toresbe | efs: #debian-fr |
| 06:09.38 | chealer | efs: french debian channel? |
| 06:09.39 | streuner | ! |
| 06:09.46 | Xinux | guestish, You might be a RedNeck if, Your wife wants to stop at the gas station to see if they've got the new Darrell Waltrip Budweiser wall clock. |
| 06:09.49 | efs | toresbe thanks :) |
| 06:09.49 | toresbe | sypher: absolutely |
| 06:09.55 | toresbe | efs: np :) |
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| 06:10.03 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 06:10.04 | sypher | toresbe, ok thanks ... :D |
| 06:10.05 | efs | bye |
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| 06:10.13 | toresbe | sypher: Software RAID might even be adequate |
| 06:10.16 | jetscreamer | !lart toresbe |
| 06:10.29 | streuner | Xinux: Stop that bs now |
| 06:10.30 | guestish | !kill Xinux |
| 06:10.40 | Xinux | lol |
| 06:10.52 | toresbe | sypher: though I don't know much about it, I suppose that 1GHz should pe plenty to manage both that and a couple cheap IDE drives |
| 06:11.01 | silverton | toresbe, so, cp -r that copies all sub-directories too ? |
| 06:11.03 | toresbe | sypher: (...using software raid) |
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| 06:11.08 | toresbe | silverton: yep, that's a recursive copy |
| 06:11.14 | silverton | ok :) thanks much |
| 06:11.14 | jetscreamer | see also cp -a |
| 06:11.21 | toresbe | silverton: cp -r directory/ /directory/you/want/it/in |
| 06:11.25 | Xinux | streuner, Yo mama's so dumb, when asked on an application, "Sex?", she marked, "M, F and sometimes Wednesday too." |
| 06:11.44 | guestish | he left? |
| 06:11.49 | streuner | Xinux: you aren't funny, dude - you are only boring |
| 06:11.49 | toresbe | silverton: FYI, man cp will tell you all the parameters you can pass to cp |
| 06:11.54 | guestish | streuner: i dont see any APIC options in make menuconfig |
| 06:12.06 | jetscreamer | there is one iirc |
| 06:12.14 | Xinux | hah |
| 06:12.15 | toresbe | silverton: man, whatis and apropos are the three best commands in Linux ;) |
| 06:12.23 | Xinux | okay, i'll stop |
| 06:12.27 | guestish | thank you |
| 06:12.31 | sypher | toresbe, ok thanks ill go for that ... :D |
| 06:12.31 | silverton | apropos? |
| 06:12.47 | Xinux | Xinux, Yo mama's so dumb she took the Pepsi challenge and chose Jif. |
| 06:12.52 | jetscreamer | guestish it's in there where smp gets set |
| 06:13.21 | jetscreamer | CONFIG_X86_UP_IOAPIC=y , etc, etc |
| 06:13.42 | toresbe | sypher: sure. Also, make backups at intervals, to protect from user errors |
| 06:13.44 | Xinux | Xinux, Yo mama's breath is so stank when she exhales her teeth have to duck |
| 06:13.45 | toresbe | http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/521.html heheh |
| 06:13.45 | guestish | i dont see anything cept Symmetric Multiprocessing support |
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| 06:13.50 | toresbe | oops, wrong channel, sorry |
| 06:13.54 | guestish | jetscreamer: nothing about ACPI |
| 06:14.05 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.10 | jetscreamer | which :) |
| 06:14.25 | guestish | nothing in SMP.. |
| 06:14.36 | jetscreamer | which is it you really want |
| 06:14.40 | jetscreamer | acpi or apic |
| 06:14.58 | guestish | APIC i guess |
| 06:15.01 | guestish | acpi works |
| 06:15.04 | deadcat | screen doesnt change my pwd on my xterm title when using hardstatus. caption works fine. anyone know why? |
| 06:15.06 | guestish | well time for sleep |
| 06:15.10 | guestish | i'll deal with it later |
| 06:15.18 | jetscreamer | but in the .config it'sself it's around the smp stuff |
| 06:15.24 | guestish | yaeh |
| 06:15.24 | guestish | yeah |
| 06:15.28 | guestish | weird eh? |
| 06:15.55 | Xinux | CUMNUT.COM |
| 06:15.57 | jetscreamer | if i had source unpacked i'd go look, but i've seen it somewhere i believe |
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| 06:15.59 | Xinux | :D |
| 06:15.59 | Submarine | hi |
| 06:16.06 | Xinux | hey sexy |
| 06:16.18 | Submarine | what's the option to apt-get that tells it to overwrite already installed/deleted config files with those from the packages§? |
| 06:16.38 | liable | guestish: you looking for apic, in menuconfig? |
| 06:16.43 | guestish | liable: yes |
| 06:16.50 | deadcat | Submarine: isnt that the default? |
| 06:16.52 | liable | guestish: its in the processor bit |
| 06:16.55 | Submarine | no it's not |
| 06:16.58 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 06:17.00 | deadcat | Submarine: or you can use dpkg --force-overwrite pkg.deb |
| 06:17.02 | guestish | liable: in the processor menu? |
| 06:17.08 | liable | yep |
| 06:17.18 | jetscreamer | is that next to smp? |
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| 06:17.36 | guestish | i see nothing |
| 06:17.39 | doleyb | Submarine: you can remove with --purge, then reinstall |
| 06:17.51 | jetscreamer | maybe it's one of those 'compile cleanly' ones? |
| 06:18.13 | liable | jetscreamer: dont see smp in there |
| 06:18.26 | Submarine | Not replacing deleted config file /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf |
| 06:18.26 | Submarine | Not replacing deleted config file /etc/apache-ssl/srm.conf |
| 06:18.26 | Submarine | Not replacing deleted config file /etc/apache-ssl/access.conf |
| 06:18.26 | Submarine | Not replacing deleted config file /etc/apache-ssl/modules.conf |
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| 06:18.35 | liable | could be in the experimental stuff |
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| 06:18.43 | silverton | wtf...why's that red on my screen? |
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| 06:18.57 | failsafe | error when compile kernel, |
| 06:19.01 | failsafe | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.01 | failsafe | crypto/twofish.c: In function `twofish_setkey': |
| 06:19.01 | failsafe | crypto/twofish.c:801: internal compiler error: ¶Î´íÎó |
| 06:19.01 | failsafe | Please submit a full bug report, |
| 06:19.01 | failsafe | with preprocessed source if appropriate. |
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| 06:19.05 | deadcat | no one here use caption or hardstatus for screen(1)? |
| 06:19.08 | jetscreamer | lol two in a row |
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| 06:19.16 | deadcat | jetscreamer: 2 straignt morons. |
| 06:19.19 | guestish | the two UP APIC ones are enabled |
| 06:19.24 | Xinux | hey sexy |
| 06:19.28 | deadcat | jetscreamer: the second one is just fucking stupid. |
| 06:19.31 | guestish | its just not shown cause its compiled w/ SMP |
| 06:19.34 | deadcat | Xinux: shut up idiot |
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| 06:19.46 | deadcat | failsafe: /topic |
| 06:19.56 | Submarine | dpkg: error processing apache-ssl (--configure): |
| 06:19.57 | Submarine | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:20.01 | namnar | hello |
| 06:20.06 | deadcat | Submarine: /topic |
| 06:20.10 | guestish | night all! |
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| 06:20.39 | Submarine | The more I think about it the more I'm tempted to erase the HD and restart afresh. |
| 06:20.44 | jetscreamer | it's right there in big letters under processors |
| 06:20.58 | deadcat | Submarine: apt-get remove --purge apache-ssl |
| 06:21.04 | Submarine | deadcat, doesn't work |
| 06:21.16 | deadcat | Submarine: bullshit. dpkg -S apache-ssl then |
| 06:21.25 | deadcat | -P i mean |
| 06:21.32 | liable | hmm, make menuconfig seems to have changed since I last used it |
| 06:21.55 | jetscreamer | what's wrong with dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/blah.deb |
| 06:22.13 | jetscreamer | yeah they move shit around a lot lately |
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| 06:22.21 | streuner | jetscreamer: well, in general just use apt-get :-P |
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| 06:22.37 | jetscreamer | can you pass --force-confmiss to apt-get ? |
| 06:22.59 | jetscreamer | anyway, the world should be using dselect |
| 06:23.18 | jetscreamer | i don't believe in apt-get, there is no apt-get |
| 06:23.28 | jetscreamer | there is only dselect |
| 06:23.38 | jetscreamer | !worship dselect |
| 06:24.14 | deadcat | Submarine: do it. |
| 06:24.34 | streuner | jetscreamer: what's the problem? |
| 06:24.35 | jetscreamer | Submarine: just remember that, 30 minutes from now, when you're still messing with tis problem and you would have already been finished with the reinstall... :) |
| 06:24.44 | jetscreamer | streuner, no problem |
| 06:24.54 | Submarine | unfortunately this box already has mediawiki and all sort of shit installed |
| 06:25.06 | Submarine | I must admit that Debian was imposed by external choice. |
| 06:25.17 | chealer | !comfort Submarine |
| 06:25.18 | deadcat | Submarine: just make up your damn mind. reinstall or NOT.. |
| 06:25.19 | dpkg | There, there, Submarine. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:25.33 | Submarine | mmmh |
| 06:25.38 | Submarine | or I could compile apache myself |
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| 06:26.58 | streuner | jetscreamer: ok, why do you think you need this option? |
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| 06:27.49 | jetscreamer | that would have been for submarine |
| 06:28.15 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.46 | Submarine | well it now refuses apt-get install |
| 06:28.58 | streuner | jetscreamer: dpkg --purge package |
| 06:29.01 | Submarine | claims some error in some post-installation script |
| 06:29.03 | liable | Solet2: cause we all want to be like you, really :) |
| 06:29.04 | jetscreamer | Solet-deb: you've disconnected it's just the packets haven't caught up with you ... :) |
| 06:29.16 | Submarine | I suppose there's no "debug" or "verbose" option... |
| 06:29.26 | liable | Solet-deb: ^^ |
| 06:29.30 | Solet-deb | i cant have dc'd |
| 06:29.33 | Solet-deb | i'm still here |
| 06:29.36 | jetscreamer | Submarine: use dselect |
| 06:29.42 | jetscreamer | no you're not |
| 06:29.57 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:29.59 | Solet-deb | jetscreamer: yes i am |
| 06:29.59 | Solet-deb | !test |
| 06:30.00 | dpkg | No, solet-deb, you're not online any more. |
| 06:30.04 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 06:30.08 | liable | see |
| 06:30.12 | jetscreamer | err... truths |
| 06:30.13 | Solet-deb | dpkg you lying little bastard |
| 06:30.45 | streuner | dselect doesn't fix broken packages or scripts auto by magic ;-) |
| 06:31.11 | streuner | causes cancer and headaches :-P |
| 06:31.18 | Solet-deb | hrm... i found it... |
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| 06:31.33 | jetscreamer | no but it fixes unmet dependencies better than any other program i've seen, and fixes shit apt-get fuxors on the deps |
| 06:31.40 | Solet-deb | some how i opened a new client on my fourth screen (for which i have no monitor currently) |
| 06:32.06 | streuner | jetscreamer: his problem is caused prolly by an broken script... |
| 06:32.39 | Submarine | dselect install apache-ssl... |
| 06:32.45 | Submarine | ...begins by upgrading half of the universe |
| 06:32.46 | jetscreamer | the only thing worng with dselect is the selection interface, everybody hates it so they say dselect sucks.. when it functions better than anything else. |
| 06:32.49 | streuner | apt-get _IS_ designed to resolve depends |
| 06:33.00 | jetscreamer | apt-get chokes |
| 06:33.30 | pipeline | isn't dselect being pulled from etch? |
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| 06:33.48 | streuner | How should we know? |
| 06:33.48 | jetscreamer | probably, which will irritate me, but oh well |
| 06:33.55 | streuner | etch isn't out now... |
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| 06:34.36 | bucky | !irritate jetscreamer |
| 06:34.37 | dpkg | jetscreamer: hi every1 who uses sound ???/ |
| 06:34.37 | streuner | pipeline: dselect survives the last years, iam sure it has a very good chance in etch ;-) |
| 06:36.07 | bucky | they're all just front-ends for dpkg |
| 06:36.24 | Submarine | dselect doesn't work either |
| 06:36.24 | Submarine | of course it's a config script error |
| 06:36.30 | Submarine | is there a way to get a debug/log output? |
| 06:36.43 | bucky | what's the error |
| 06:37.00 | streuner | Submarine: 1) are you in upgrade process? |
| 06:37.06 | Submarine | NO |
| 06:37.06 | streuner | woody->sarge |
| 06:37.09 | streuner | ok |
| 06:37.11 | Submarine | I'm trying to install a package. |
| 06:37.15 | Submarine | the install script fails |
| 06:37.17 | streuner | official? |
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| 06:37.20 | Submarine | I just want to see what fails |
| 06:37.36 | streuner | edit that script 'set -x' |
| 06:37.49 | streuner | its more verbose |
| 06:37.53 | Submarine | I don't know where the script is. |
| 06:38.04 | streuner | /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
| 06:38.31 | streuner | postinst* |
| 06:38.37 | Submarine | yes yes |
| 06:38.40 | Submarine | thanks |
| 06:38.41 | streuner | postinst.package |
| 06:38.54 | rixth | Is there any extension which would allow one to watch emnedded .wmvs? (In Firefox) |
| 06:38.58 | streuner | Submarine: what does BTS say about? |
| 06:39.04 | Submarine | BTS? |
| 06:39.08 | streuner | !bts |
| 06:39.08 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 06:43.53 | chealer | rixth: probably mozilla-plugin-vlc, if it's not WMV3 |
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| 06:47.09 | rixth | I'm apt-getting it now. |
| 06:47.45 | Submarine | debconf: warning: possible database corruption |
| 06:47.47 | Submarine | ok |
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| 06:47.53 | Submarine | when you have a "database corruption" what do you do? |
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| 06:49.35 | liable | apt-get update, apt-get -f install? |
| 06:49.45 | glick | excuse me what device would this be on: |
| 06:49.46 | glick | usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
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| 06:49.52 | glick | when i plug my camera in |
| 06:50.15 | streuner | glick: try 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' |
| 06:50.28 | Submarine | dpkg: error processing apache (--configure): |
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| 06:50.32 | cdc | ive installed Debian Sarge but when i try to zip or unzip it says Unzip is not in the PATH variable |
| 06:50.37 | liable | glick: is that all dmesg says? |
| 06:50.37 | cdc | how do i solve this error? |
| 06:50.39 | glick | streuner, then i get Attached devices: |
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| 06:50.45 | cdc | could anyone help me? |
| 06:50.53 | bucky | !install |
| 06:50.53 | dpkg | i heard install is To test sarge (upcoming Debian 3.1) see <http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/>. For woody (Debian 3.0), see http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or the official guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/woody - see the tips at http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/tips or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 06:51.03 | glick | liable, yes |
| 06:51.03 | liable | cdc: have you installed it? |
| 06:51.10 | streuner | Submarine: sarge? |
| 06:51.21 | toresbe | cdc: apt-get install unzip? |
| 06:51.23 | cdc | liable, i ve installed unzip |
| 06:51.27 | jose | anyone kows how to configure mrtg, to talk to a Cisco router thru SNMP? |
| 06:51.31 | cdc | anything else should i install? |
| 06:51.35 | Submarine | streuner, 3.1 |
| 06:51.42 | streuner | Submarine: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:51.43 | cdc | toresbe, yes i ve done that |
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| 06:51.48 | toresbe | hmm, odd |
| 06:52.04 | Submarine | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 06:52.31 | streuner | Submarine: sarge then, which package is that? |
| 06:52.31 | liable | cdc: does it work for root? |
| 06:52.41 | Submarine | streuner, apache |
| 06:52.51 | Submarine | I just need a command to reconstruct this dpkg of whatever database. |
| 06:52.55 | glick | its my digital camera |
| 06:52.58 | glick | am i missing something? |
| 06:53.07 | glick | shouldnt it be mounted as a usb mass storage device? |
| 06:53.27 | Submarine | glick, not necessarily |
| 06:53.29 | cdc | liable, no |
| 06:53.42 | Submarine | some cameras use proprietary protocols |
| 06:53.43 | liable | glick: see if its supported by gphoto2 |
| 06:53.44 | Submarine | some use PTP |
| 06:53.48 | Submarine | some use mass storage |
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| 06:53.52 | Submarine | some have multiple modes |
| 06:53.52 | rob_lt | Hi. How can I stop the ehci_hcd module from being loaded? I tried adding it to hotplug blacklist, but it is still being loaded. |
| 06:53.52 | streuner | Submarine: ok, move the files for apache package (/var/lib/dpkg/info/*.apache) to /tmp |
| 06:54.17 | chealer | rob_lt: you followed dpkg's factoid? |
| 06:54.26 | Submarine | ls: /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.apache: No such file or directory |
| 06:55.09 | glick | liable, yes its supported and detected by gphoto2 |
| 06:55.12 | liable | cdc: you installed unzip by apt I take it? where is it? |
| 06:55.19 | liable | glick: use that then |
| 06:55.36 | cdc | i install unzip and zip using apt-get |
| 06:55.41 | rob_lt | chealer: can you tell me what it is? I haven't read it. |
| 06:55.41 | streuner | Submarine: apache.* |
| 06:55.50 | chealer | !tell rob_lt about blacklist |
| 06:56.15 | Submarine | ok thanks |
| 06:56.16 | rob_lt | chealer: thanks |
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| 06:58.05 | Submarine | what do I do now? :-) |
| 06:58.15 | streuner | Submarine: apt-get -f install |
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| 06:59.52 | streuner | Submarine: besides, the error is prolly in apache.postinst |
| 07:00.00 | Submarine | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.05 | Submarine | streuner, *I know* |
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| 07:00.24 | Submarine | streuner, but I don't know this script, don't know how to use it, how to fix it, how to get it to trace what it does |
| 07:01.00 | streuner | Submarine: ok, just use this _dirty_ hack to get the packages installed |
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| 07:03.41 | glick | anyone here use udev rules? |
| 07:03.47 | Submarine | the question is simple: is there a command that reconstructs this database? |
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| 07:04.00 | Submarine | or once it is corrupted, it's permanently corrupted unless one reinstalls? |
| 07:04.16 | streuner | Submarine: apt-get --reinstall install package |
| 07:04.21 | liable | Submarine: I can paste a copy of mine, and you can try replacing your if you want, apache-postinstall |
| 07:04.36 | Submarine | sorry if I sound tense |
| 07:04.41 | Submarine | this is getting on my nerves :-) |
| 07:04.47 | Gio | alguem ai fala portugues ? |
| 07:04.53 | streuner | !br |
| 07:04.53 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 07:05.04 | Gio | thanks |
| 07:05.16 | Submarine | ok |
| 07:05.22 | Submarine | how do I run the install script manually? |
| 07:05.27 | Submarine | does it expect special arguments? |
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| 07:05.45 | streuner | Submarine: which one? all you need is apt-get |
| 07:05.54 | Submarine | streuner, the postinst script |
| 07:05.57 | Submarine | it obviously fails |
| 07:06.08 | Submarine | apt-get shows just that there has been an error |
| 07:06.27 | streuner | Submarine: of course, ./apache.postinst, but keep in mind you get the same results then... |
| 07:06.38 | Submarine | I was expecting some kind of debug options |
| 07:07.08 | streuner | it has no effect unless you fixed it |
| 07:07.08 | streuner | set -x |
| 07:07.08 | streuner | the script is set -e now |
| 07:07.08 | Submarine | [' '' '!=' configure ']' :-) |
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| 07:08.06 | naoliv | Is it good to use libc6-i686? Is it stable? How much faster a system can go? |
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| 07:08.58 | bob2 | yes, plenty, not much |
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| 07:09.48 | naoliv | Can I see difference on system performance? |
| 07:09.57 | bob2 | I'd doubt it |
| 07:10.01 | liable | streuner: how do ya do that, set -x |
| 07:10.07 | bob2 | but it does enable nptl, so maybe if you use lots of threads |
| 07:10.32 | streuner | liable: just edit the script with 'set -x' |
| 07:10.57 | naoliv | bob2: OK. Thanks! |
| 07:11.21 | liable | streuner: ok, cheers |
| 07:11.49 | liable | streuner: dur, I didnt even see that at the top :) |
| 07:11.50 | bob2 | that said, I install it |
| 07:11.58 | bob2 | just for the warm and fuzies |
| 07:12.08 | streuner | liable: #!/bin/sh -x |
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| 07:12.20 | streuner | liable: or in bash 'set -x' |
| 07:12.28 | liable | streuner: yep, it just has a set -x, there. |
| 07:12.56 | exobyte_ | will rsync -a remove files on the dest side that aren't on the source side? |
| 07:13.06 | lindi- | exobyte_: no |
| 07:13.16 | lindi- | exobyte_: use --delete if you want that |
| 07:13.25 | bob2 | exobyte_: not without --delete |
| 07:13.30 | bob2 | bah, too slow |
| 07:13.33 | liable | Submarine: do that, see what happens |
| 07:13.35 | exobyte_ | lindi-: thx- the second part was exactly what I wanted |
| 07:13.40 | exobyte_ | bob2: that's ok |
| 07:13.44 | Submarine | I *think* I fixed it |
| 07:13.44 | exobyte_ | bob2: long time, no see |
| 07:14.39 | bob2 | jah |
| 07:14.46 | naoliv | bob2: May I install libc6-i686 on a system even if it isn't an i686 class or running Kernel 2.6? |
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| 07:14.59 | bob2 | naoliv: you can, but it won't do anything |
| 07:15.03 | exobyte_ | bob2: I shouldn't say this, but I've spent some time over in bsd land |
| 07:15.07 | bob2 | I don't know if it will break anything, tho |
| 07:15.13 | bob2 | exobyte_: ah, how is it over there? |
| 07:15.30 | chealer | that's great. I compiled a kernel in /tmp/linux, forgot to install it and rebooted |
| 07:15.31 | Submarine | thank you very much |
| 07:15.42 | exobyte_ | bob2: pf is very nice. theo is an idiot, but free borrowed pf |
| 07:15.46 | chealer | I knew compiling would be the easy part |
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| 07:15.53 | bob2 | hah |
| 07:15.58 | naoliv | bob2: So it's secure to install it, no matter what kind of machine the user is using, right? |
| 07:16.21 | exobyte_ | bob2: bsd nat setup is signifigantly easier than linux. I'm not pluggin them or anything, just my exp |
| 07:16.23 | bob2 | exobyte_: I've been meaning to give freebsd 5 a try, but I know I'll get annoyed at having to install ton of gnu stuff to make it feel like home ;) |
| 07:16.38 | exobyte_ | bob2: yeah, gmake and friends |
| 07:16.42 | bob2 | naoliv: I don't know. I'd be surprised if it broke. |
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| 07:16.56 | exobyte_ | bob2: the software selection sucks sometimes, too |
| 07:17.07 | exobyte_ | bob2: no vmware 4 |
| 07:17.13 | bob2 | exobyte_: hm, I thought ports were about the same size as debian's archive? |
| 07:17.15 | bob2 | ah |
| 07:17.16 | naoliv | bob2: OK. Thanks again and good night. I have to go. |
| 07:17.22 | bob2 | naoliv: adios |
| 07:17.44 | bob2 | the only binary thing I have installed is java, and that's from last night |
| 07:17.48 | bob2 | so I'm not too worried about that |
| 07:18.05 | exobyte_ | bob2: yeah, but stuff like that. and java, bsd java uses linux emulation, iirc |
| 07:18.13 | bob2 | ahh |
| 07:18.21 | bob2 | exobyte_: how well does that emulation work in practice? |
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| 07:18.42 | pantyhose | the next version of ubuntu shd be called horny hogger |
| 07:18.53 | exobyte_ | bob2: some stuff, pretty well, others, not so well. I think networking is a little lacking |
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| 07:19.10 | exobyte_ | pantyhose: seeing that made me think of porn |
| 07:19.24 | deadcat | pantyhose: hahah. |
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| 07:19.25 | pantyhose | not porn |
| 07:19.36 | pantyhose | only horny hogger |
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| 07:19.59 | rob_lt | My external usb dvd writer is hanging my machine. I posted the output of dmesg from plugging it in and then unplugging it at http://channels.debian.net/paste/159. |
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| 07:20.22 | exobyte_ | pantyhose: some of us quit porn a few months ago |
| 07:20.24 | Submarine | still debconf: warning: possible database corruption |
| 07:20.40 | rob_lt | I've googled, and although people seem to be having alot of problems with usb, no one seems to have a solution. |
| 07:20.43 | Submarine | there MUST be some command that reininitalises this database |
| 07:21.00 | bob2 | Submarine: you can just delete it |
| 07:21.03 | bob2 | if you're talking about debconf |
| 07:21.07 | exobyte_ | bob2: I've decided I'm not dumb enough to ignore an OS. I use windows for a desktop, I really can't |
| 07:21.07 | bob2 | rob_lt: mine works great |
| 07:21.11 | liable | rob_lt: err, that paste is empty |
| 07:21.12 | Submarine | delete debconf? |
| 07:21.14 | Submarine | then what happens? |
| 07:21.21 | bob2 | rob_lt: 2.6.9 had some usb nstability, but 2.6.10 has been flawless |
| 07:21.34 | streuner | Submarine: just reinstall it |
| 07:21.43 | bob2 | exobyte_: s/I use/I can't use/? |
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| 07:21.45 | rudenstam | anyone around who can help me with a cryptoloop problem.. trying to: losetup -e AES256 /dev/loop0 /encrypted.file1 , this have been working before and I have data in the file, the box crashed yesterday.. and since I have gotten this after supplying password: ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument |
| 07:21.46 | streuner | Submarine: apt-get --reinstall install debconf |
| 07:22.09 | Submarine | still doing errors |
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| 07:22.10 | streuner | rob_lt: uname -a |
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| 07:22.46 | bob2 | reinstalling debconf won't help |
| 07:22.55 | streuner | Submarine: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 07:23.04 | rob_lt | streuner: Linux diablo 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:23.09 | exobyte_ | bob2: you know.. the averge /. go linux, everything else sux reader |
| 07:23.22 | rob_lt | liable: are you sure you see it empty? The link works here. |
| 07:23.30 | streuner | rob_lt: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:23.31 | bob2 | exobyte_: well, yeah, but 90% of any group of people are dumbasses ;) |
| 07:23.46 | exobyte_ | bob2: except mensa |
| 07:23.56 | rob_lt | 2.3.2.ds1-21 |
| 07:23.57 | bob2 | well, 90% of them are gits |
| 07:24.00 | bob2 | at least ime ;) |
| 07:24.03 | liable | rob_lt: hehe, once I removed the '.' it worked |
| 07:24.05 | exobyte_ | lol |
| 07:24.27 | rob_lt | liable: blame my proper punctuation ;) |
| 07:25.44 | liable | rob_lt: may have well been empty anyway, that looks a bit funky to me :( |
| 07:25.45 | exobyte_ | bob2: It's getting close to bed time over here- I'll see you around, I think |
| 07:25.59 | bob2 | ciao |
| 07:26.04 | Submarine | streuner, pasted |
| 07:26.12 | streuner | rob_lt: dpkg -l udev |
| 07:26.13 | rob_lt | I'm pretty sure this is a kernel issue... but I I've tried 2.6.11 from sid and I still get a system hang. |
| 07:26.15 | Submarine | http://channels.debian.net/paste/160 |
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| 07:26.46 | liable | rob_lt: the drive works on another box? |
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| 07:27.09 | vipersniper | what do i have to add to source.list to get msttcorefonts |
| 07:27.27 | deadcat | vipersniper: non-free contrib to the end of the lines |
| 07:27.28 | bob2 | contrib |
| 07:27.33 | bob2 | I told you that hours ago |
| 07:27.45 | rob_lt | streuner: I don't have udev installed. liable: haven't tested it on another machine. |
| 07:27.46 | deadcat | vipersniper: LISTEND dammit. |
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| 07:29.53 | streuner | Submarine: ok, you need to install apache first |
| 07:30.07 | Submarine | installation of Apache *fails* |
| 07:30.13 | streuner | Submarine: apache still isn't installed |
| 07:30.13 | Submarine | but Apache is de facto installed |
| 07:30.16 | Submarine | it's even running |
| 07:30.20 | Submarine | right now it's running |
| 07:30.20 | bob2 | "fails"? |
| 07:30.20 | streuner | no |
| 07:30.30 | Submarine | so www.wikimedia.fr is an illusion? |
| 07:30.59 | streuner | of course not |
| 07:31.02 | rob_lt | I'm going to try with udev installed, brb |
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| 07:31.12 | Submarine | it's not installed wrt the Debian database |
| 07:31.19 | streuner | but debians db is not working correctly |
| 07:31.19 | Submarine | because some script fails to update this database |
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| 07:31.33 | Submarine | That's why I'm asking for a command to reconstructs this db. :-) |
| 07:31.35 | bob2 | no |
| 07:31.38 | bob2 | that's not how it works |
| 07:31.45 | Submarine | Obviously apt or whatever other program screwed up the db. |
| 07:31.49 | bob2 | no |
| 07:31.49 | bob2 | sorry |
| 07:32.09 | glick | excuse me, should i put my udev rules? in /etc/udev or /etc/udev/rules.d ? |
| 07:32.25 | simonrvn | wee |
| 07:32.35 | Submarine | there *should* be a command that reconstructs the db |
| 07:32.39 | streuner | Submarine: the error is still caused by the broken install script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 07:32.43 | Submarine | the system can't just say "wheeh, I have db errors" |
| 07:32.59 | streuner | fartfish |
| 07:33.03 | Submarine | streuner, the error is very probably in the database |
| 07:33.06 | simonrvn | @ff streuner |
| 07:33.06 | ravenbird | streuner: fartfish |
| 07:33.06 | bob2 | Submarine: sorry, that's not how it works |
| 07:33.15 | bob2 | Submarine: do you want to see the database? /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 07:33.43 | simonrvn | hmm i need to do up the console size. it's at something horrendously small |
| 07:33.44 | liable | what else can he reconfigure with debconf, to see if its that, or the script? |
| 07:34.11 | liable | base-config I spose? |
| 07:34.36 | liable | apt-setup? |
| 07:35.03 | streuner | Submarine: what does 'ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.postinst' say? |
| 07:35.25 | Submarine | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1659 2005-05-21 07:07 /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.postinst |
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| 07:37.29 | nottu | how can i execute from a php script a program that req root privileges ? |
| 07:37.31 | simonrvn | question: a serial mouse goes in COM1 or COM2? |
| 07:37.43 | Submarine | either |
| 07:37.45 | bob2 | depends |
| 07:37.53 | deadcat | nottu: sudo? |
| 07:37.54 | Xenguy | simonrvn: typically COM1 |
| 07:37.56 | bob2 | nottu: ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew ew |
| 07:38.02 | bob2 | nottu: what are you trying to do? |
| 07:38.03 | simonrvn | depends on the mouse, or the box? |
| 07:38.07 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:38.07 | Submarine | the system doesn't care whether it's com1 or com2 |
| 07:38.11 | bob2 | most boxes have two ports |
| 07:38.12 | nottu | deadcat: how... is there a way to make sudo not prompt for a password ? |
| 07:38.17 | bob2 | one is com1, one is come2 |
| 07:38.19 | Submarine | nottu, yes |
| 07:38.25 | Xenguy | KISS |
| 07:38.35 | deadcat | nottu: user ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL in /etc/sudoers |
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| 07:38.53 | simonrvn | yeh this one does. so why won't say x, or linux, see it? tried catting /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice, nothing |
| 07:39.20 | streuner | Submarine: you should install _one_ package first without any errors |
| 07:39.24 | Submarine | /dev/psaux is ps2 mouse |
| 07:39.26 | simonrvn | nottu: however, that's just asking for trouble, IMO |
| 07:39.36 | lindi- | simonrvn: /dev/ttyS0 is first serial port |
| 07:39.38 | streuner | Submarine: " Package apache is not configured yet." |
| 07:39.40 | simonrvn | ah, ok |
| 07:39.44 | simonrvn | duh... |
| 07:39.49 | simonrvn | :). thanks |
| 07:39.50 | bob2 | nottu: seriously, why does a php program need root? |
| 07:40.17 | streuner | Submarine: so remove apache-ssl and mailman first |
| 07:40.19 | lindi- | nottu: at least limit sudo to allow it run only one specific command |
| 07:40.21 | simonrvn | i'll fix up this thing then. try cat -v again |
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| 07:40.33 | nottu | lindi-: already did that |
| 07:40.39 | streuner | Submarine: after that you need to install apache without any errors |
| 07:40.46 | nottu | bob2: to run an iptables script |
| 07:40.52 | Submarine | streuner, apache is installed |
| 07:41.03 | streuner | Submarine: " Package apache is not configured yet." |
| 07:41.23 | streuner | Submarine: s/install/configure/ |
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| 07:41.37 | Submarine | streuner, #flood |
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| 07:42.23 | borhanix | will the debian install do the partitioning and install gnome or kde or do I have to do both manually later? |
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| 07:43.49 | simonrvn | feck, i'll have to go fetch a ps2 mouse sometime this weekend... |
| 07:43.49 | bob2 | partitioning is part of the sarge install |
| 07:44.12 | simonrvn | brb (detached) |
| 07:44.30 | borhanix | bob2: thank you, will it also install the bootloader (thats what im mainly worried about) as I have windows already installed |
| 07:44.35 | bob2 | sure |
| 07:44.52 | Submarine | simonrvn, you can ask X to use a serial mouse |
| 07:44.52 | bob2 | I don't know if it will configure grub to be able to boot windows or not, tho |
| 07:44.54 | Submarine | also for gpm |
| 07:44.55 | Nostromo^ | I have a sendmail server which is in the DMZ and relays incoming mail into the LAN. i want to capture a specific incoming recipient and not deliver it. that is, make it go to a local box or another remote mail, just not the intended. virtusertable doesn't seem to be helping.. any ideas? |
| 07:45.12 | Submarine | however, I don't think the kernel has a translation layer for serial mice to simulate them in /dev/input/mice |
| 07:45.16 | Submarine | serial mice are antiquated |
| 07:45.22 | bob2 | Nostromo^: just an alias? |
| 07:45.24 | Submarine | but I may be mistaken on this translation thing |
| 07:45.42 | Nostromo^ | bob2, aliases are from local users to local users. that's not what im looking for. |
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| 07:45.58 | bob2 | #sendmail, I guess |
| 07:46.09 | borhanix | bob2: I think I can just edit a few lines in the grub configuration to make windows boot again, what about kde/gnome, are they with the installer or do I have to do it from command line |
| 07:46.13 | Nostromo^ | k |
| 07:46.42 | bob2 | borhanix: I don't know. I assume the desktop task installs one of them |
| 07:46.44 | chealer | borhanix: you can either install both during the install, or install "manually" after |
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| 07:47.00 | chealer | borhanix: if you check "Desktop environment" |
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| 07:47.20 | chealer | borhanix: and grub will let you able to boot windows by default |
| 07:48.08 | chealer | borhanix: if you want to install gnome later ask the bot with /msg dpkg install gnome, for kde see #debian-kde |
| 07:48.55 | borhanix | bob2: thank you ; chealer: thank you |
| 07:49.13 | usn | good morning |
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| 07:52.03 | davi | How to compile the kernel-source-2.4.27 to boot on RAID ?. I have used "make-kpkg" and installed the resulting package.deb, it does not include the initrd.img ! |
| 07:52.23 | bob2 | you don't mean "boot on raid" |
| 07:52.30 | bob2 | you mean "have / be software raid" |
| 07:52.35 | bob2 | they are very very different things |
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| 07:52.42 | test123 | hello all |
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| 07:53.08 | davi | Well I have /, /boot and swap on RAID 1 |
| 07:53.13 | test123 | I have a problem with save session... I saved session and now I cant login... |
| 07:53.18 | deadcat | bob2: when you turn on the ibook. does it make the chime thing? it used to be off but now since i got it back from the shop it makes sound. i want to turn it off. |
| 07:53.39 | bob2 | deadcat: it does, and I never found a way to turn it off |
| 07:53.44 | bob2 | even benh didn't know how |
| 07:54.23 | Submarine | thanks for the help! |
| 07:54.30 | deadcat | bob2: but mine didnt make noice. but the guy where i brought the ibook to was pressing something and it was chiming. i guess he didnt change it back )= |
| 07:54.43 | bob2 | hmm |
| 07:54.46 | bob2 | that's awesome |
| 07:54.50 | streuner | Submarine: DOH |
| 07:54.51 | bob2 | maybe it has hardware mute |
| 07:54.56 | liable | Submarine: :) |
| 07:55.07 | Submarine | though I still don't get how I fixed it |
| 07:55.08 | deadcat | bob2: pressing the mute butting will temp. mute it but not permanent |
| 07:55.12 | bob2 | www.cacert.org! |
| 07:55.20 | test123 | http://pastebin.com/287334 -----> someone can help me please? |
| 07:55.21 | Submarine | how come using set +x (debug output) in a script may make it work... |
| 07:55.29 | davi | bob2, I am using kernel-image-2.4.27-K7 right now. What do you advise me to be able to compile kernel-source-2.4.27 (to customize) and use it ? |
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| 07:55.38 | streuner | Submarine: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 07:55.45 | bob2 | I wouldn't recommend recompiling it, ever |
| 07:55.53 | Submarine | works fine |
| 07:56.05 | davi | bob2, I need it to customize |
| 07:56.12 | streuner | Submarine: and you set it to dialog, right? |
| 07:56.13 | Submarine | er |
| 07:56.15 | bob2 | davi: why? |
| 07:56.19 | Submarine | streuner, yes, why? |
| 07:56.39 | davi | bob2, I have to patch it with the new pwc driver |
| 07:56.43 | streuner | Submarine: because apt-get install apache-ssl works without any problems on my sarge box |
| 07:56.57 | Submarine | streuner, I don't think it has to do with the Apache. |
| 07:57.04 | Submarine | I think it was some file somewhere that was broken |
| 07:57.08 | Submarine | that caused the script to fail |
| 07:57.33 | Submarine | cacert.org... silly Q: |
| 07:57.42 | Submarine | which navigators are preloaded with the certificate for this CA? |
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| 07:57.55 | glick | how do i make udevd reread its rule set? |
| 07:57.59 | bob2 | s/navigator/browser/ |
| 07:58.15 | kjparker | hmm, is close to three days to complete a netinst of sarge good? :) |
| 07:58.23 | kjparker | most of that being downloading time? |
| 07:58.24 | test123 | no one know? |
| 07:58.39 | Submarine | bingo |
| 07:58.48 | Submarine | cacert.org is not even in the default certs for Mozilla |
| 07:58.54 | Submarine | so it's little more than selfsigned |
| 07:59.05 | davi | bob2, Could you point me to any reference: URL, email list, etc. ? |
| 07:59.08 | bob2 | test123: maybe people don't want to go read some random site if you can't be assed askign a question |
| 07:59.23 | bob2 | Submarine: no, it's not equivalent to self-signed |
| 07:59.43 | bob2 | if the only reason you want a cert so users don't get warnings, why are you using sll at all? |
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| 07:59.50 | test123 | when I'm trying to load gnome: /home/elad/.metacity/sessions/1116623957-6610-1548447473.ms: Failed to open file |
| 07:59.57 | liable | erm, he did bob2 |
| 08:00.00 | Submarine | bob2: not sending passwords in the clear :-) |
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| 08:00.24 | Submarine | not sending credit card info in the clear |
| 08:00.28 | Submarine | SSL has 2 interests: |
| 08:00.34 | Submarine | 1) protection against passive attackers |
| 08:00.42 | Submarine | 2) protection against active attackers (man in the middle) |
| 08:00.48 | Submarine | CAs are only interesting for 2) |
| 08:01.06 | chealer | is this a joke? http://people.debian.org/~dz/ |
| 08:01.14 | Submarine | 2) needs some complex network setup and/or DNS hacking |
| 08:01.17 | Submarine | 1) is much simpler |
| 08:02.10 | Submarine | 1) just needs access to a node that sees traffic passing, then running tcpdump or similar |
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| 08:09.18 | liable | test123: dunno, if it'll work for you, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8521.html |
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| 08:10.43 | test123 | I hope that it will work... thatks liable |
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| 08:15.16 | morphix | hi guys, whats going on with Sid, I'm getting tons of broken links in mirrors? |
| 08:15.43 | morphix | tried 2 major mirrors and both have missing or broken urls |
| 08:15.56 | bob2 | "missing urls"? |
| 08:15.59 | bob2 | use ftp.d.o |
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| 08:17.09 | morphix | im using ftp, but im getting alot of dir not founds |
| 08:17.16 | morphix | seems odd |
| 08:17.18 | bob2 | er |
| 08:17.21 | bob2 | when doing what? |
| 08:17.23 | drac | A lot of stuff like 'Failed to fetch "package" 404 Not Found' in ftp.fi.debian.org too. |
| 08:17.30 | drac | While doing apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:17.33 | bob2 | when mirroring? |
| 08:17.33 | morphix | when doing an upgrade |
| 08:17.39 | morphix | i did an update first |
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| 08:18.05 | morphix | drac: yes |
| 08:18.20 | morphix | its like the mirror archives are all messed up |
| 08:18.45 | morphix | im also getting packages for upgrade on one mirror and none on another |
| 08:18.57 | bob2 | use ftp.debian.org |
| 08:19.00 | morphix | ok |
| 08:19.09 | bob2 | if others are broken, please email them |
| 08:19.14 | morphix | ok will do |
| 08:19.19 | kjparker | are there any guides to setting up vnc on debian? |
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| 08:19.43 | CybeRbl00D | hi |
| 08:19.47 | kjparker | i want to be able to remote;y controll the actual remote machine console |
| 08:19.56 | kjparker | a desktop machine.... |
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| 08:20.10 | CybeRbl00D | I have a little proble :S |
| 08:20.13 | CybeRbl00D | problem |
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| 08:20.18 | kjparker | !vnc |
| 08:20.18 | dpkg | vnc is, like, Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about x-not-vnc |
| 08:20.23 | silverton | What's the command to reconfigure xserver? |
| 08:20.35 | bob2 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:20.42 | morphix | bob2: I just noticed this file on the one archive: |
| 08:20.42 | CybeRbl00D | i want to switch KDE to Gnome |
| 08:20.48 | morphix | http://debian.blueyonder.co.uk/Archive-Update-in-Progress-mirror2.blueyonder.net |
| 08:20.53 | hugo | bridges do rewrite the MAC right? |
| 08:21.05 | bob2 | morphix: then it's in the process of mirroring |
| 08:21.05 | silverton | thanks bob2 |
| 08:21.08 | bob2 | CybeRbl00D: you're being too vague |
| 08:21.14 | morphix | ah that explains it |
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| 08:21.17 | hugo | what about switches? |
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| 08:21.27 | bob2 | switches don't |
| 08:21.30 | sypher | hey guys, do ya know some program that shows up news from RSS on the desktop? (fluxbox...) (all this without using 100% cpu time ^_^ ) |
| 08:21.33 | bob2 | I'd be surprised if bridges did |
| 08:21.33 | morphix | seems a silly way to update tho on a live server |
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| 08:21.41 | bob2 | morphix: how would you suggest? |
| 08:22.33 | morphix | either taking the live server offline, or doing the update on a secondary server and switching over servers |
| 08:22.35 | CybeRbl00D | sorry this isn't my native language. i have KDM installed but i just installed gnome and it doesn't show it |
| 08:22.42 | bob2 | morphix: no, that will never happen |
| 08:22.45 | bob2 | and it's silly |
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| 08:22.59 | bob2 | the right way to do it is to sync the pool/ dir, and then update the Packages file after |
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| 08:23.11 | silverton | shitty... still isn't working :-/ |
| 08:23.15 | CybeRbl00D | and when i try to enter in Wmaker it don't work neither |
| 08:23.16 | bob2 | CybeRbl00D: sudo apt-get remove kdm ; sudo apt-get install gdm |
| 08:23.42 | davi | bob2, " make-kpkg --initrd binary" Reference: man make-kpkg |
| 08:23.52 | bob2 | davi: ok! |
| 08:24.03 | bob2 | I'm sorry, I don't have time to walk you through building a kernel |
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| 08:24.13 | davi | np bob2 |
| 08:24.48 | davi | I just give feedback and information to you so as to you can pass it to others ... |
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| 08:25.09 | morphix | heh |
| 08:25.10 | liable | CybeRbl00D: or, maybe restart kdm, did you just install both? |
| 08:25.37 | CybeRbl00D | hmm |
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| 08:26.08 | CybeRbl00D | i had KDE and i just installed Gnome |
| 08:26.29 | CybeRbl00D | KDM doesn't even show that Gnome is installed |
| 08:26.43 | bob2 | 18:23:17 bob2 | CybeRbl00D: sudo apt-get remove kdm ; sudo apt-get install gdm |
| 08:26.46 | bob2 | CybeRbl00D: do that |
| 08:26.46 | CybeRbl00D | it shows Wmaker but it don't load it :( |
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| 08:29.03 | silverton | Where is the kernel tree kept? |
| 08:29.18 | silverton | I thought it was kept in /usr/src |
| 08:29.21 | POVaddct | silverton: /usr/src/linux-<version> |
| 08:29.42 | bob2 | it's not installed by default, of course |
| 08:29.49 | silverton | POVaddct: all I see is "kernel-patches" and the source .bz2 |
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| 08:29.51 | silverton | bob2: I know |
| 08:30.07 | silverton | and when I try to apt-get it, apt tells me that newest version is already installed |
| 08:30.08 | bob2 | it doesn't get unpacked when you install, either |
| 08:30.14 | silverton | bob2: I know that too |
| 08:30.17 | silverton | but I don't even see it |
| 08:30.22 | bob2 | ok |
| 08:30.42 | silverton | Last time I had debian installed, when I downloaded it, it ended up in /usr/src |
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| 08:31.02 | jbl | way 2 go silverton |
| 08:31.06 | jbl | THAT'S FUCKING FANTASTIC |
| 08:31.20 | bob2 | jbl: er? |
| 08:31.46 | Dabian | How does DHCP client work in Linux? I know you can edit /etc/network/interfaces and do a "ethX inet dhpcp" .. but can you do it with ifconfig, or another utility directly? |
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| 08:32.05 | bob2 | no, ifconfig is not a dhcp client |
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| 08:32.11 | POVaddct | Dabian: pump or dhclient |
| 08:32.13 | bob2 | you can run 'sudo dhclient eth1' if you like |
| 08:32.19 | Dabian | bob2: Thanks. |
| 08:32.24 | Dabian | POVaddct: thanks |
| 08:33.05 | streuner | !dhcp client |
| 08:33.05 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
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| 08:33.39 | POVaddct | btw, is pump deprecated? if so, why? |
| 08:34.48 | chealer | I'm compiling a kernel using fakeroot on a barton 2500+. do you think it's normal that it boots too much to play neverball (a real time game)? do I have to renice the process? |
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| 08:35.07 | Tchnd15 | hello |
| 08:35.12 | morphix | how can you check whether you're running Sid? |
| 08:35.23 | bob2 | you look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:35.31 | bob2 | but if you installed morphix, you're not running debian anyway |
| 08:35.39 | Dabian | morphix: If your system is unstable, you're most likely running SID. |
| 08:35.59 | Dabian | POVaddct: I don't think so. |
| 08:36.09 | morphix | bob2: Im sure i installed Sid on this box, but i just did an apt update after switching sources with apt-setup and now im getting testing lists |
| 08:36.09 | streuner | morphix: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:36.11 | Dabian | POVaddct: But it has support for BOOTP also. |
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| 08:36.18 | Tchnd15 | somebody speak french ? |
| 08:36.20 | tas-- | morphix: you can also check /etc/debian_version |
| 08:36.24 | streuner | !fr |
| 08:36.24 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 08:36.26 | morphix | cool |
| 08:36.48 | Tchnd15 | :) |
| 08:37.09 | morphix | bonjour <-- the limit of my french speaking |
| 08:37.09 | streuner | !morphix |
| 08:37.09 | dpkg | methinks morphix is a modular linux distribution that provides tools for building your own custom cd live using standard debian tools like apt-get. The prebuilt cds are made from sid (unstable) and can be installed to create a pure sid system using the installer, or http://morphix.sourceforge.net |
| 08:37.24 | Tchnd15 | morphix lol |
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| 08:37.38 | morphix | sorry there should be no confusion with my nickname and the linux dist "morphix" |
| 08:37.49 | bob2 | heh |
| 08:37.57 | bob2 | basically, check your sources.list |
| 08:37.58 | morphix | my name is short for amorphix, which is my nickname for 5 years before "morphix" dist was heard of |
| 08:38.04 | morphix | thanx bob |
| 08:38.13 | bob2 | tho, if you used sid then switched to something else, that will be inaccurate |
| 08:38.27 | morphix | no way i havent switched |
| 08:38.31 | streuner | morphix: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:38.33 | morphix | im confused why im getting testing |
| 08:38.36 | morphix | brb |
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| 08:39.05 | morphix | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 08:39.30 | POVaddct | morphix: also check /etc/apt/apt.conf for Default-Release |
| 08:39.35 | morphix | ok |
| 08:39.36 | streuner | sid |
| 08:40.24 | POVaddct | morphix: just in case there are both testing and unstable entries in sources.list |
| 08:40.54 | streuner | !hwinfosmite POVaddct |
| 08:40.56 | dpkg | Scanning POVaddct ... No meaningful response. Please ensure brain is connected, or return to supplier for replacement. |
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| 08:41.17 | morphix | POVaddct: I dont have such a file |
| 08:41.19 | streuner | he is running actually sid |
| 08:41.36 | POVaddct | morphix: okay |
| 08:41.38 | streuner | ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:41.57 | hid3 | Hello everyone.. I hava shared my directory for general public. The config file is here: http://pastebin.com/287341 How can I share the same directory with ability to login? For example, the directory owner logins via smb and gets premition to WRITE, not only to read? |
| 08:41.58 | morphix | if i do an apt-setup and add a new source, its not possible to get a testing source when running Sid eh? |
| 08:42.02 | morphix | or it shouldnt be |
| 08:42.13 | streuner | reinstall |
| 08:42.24 | morphix | u're kiddin me? |
| 08:42.25 | streuner | if you want sarge back |
| 08:42.27 | streuner | no |
| 08:42.30 | streuner | !downgrade |
| 08:42.30 | dpkg | well, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 08:42.38 | morphix | wtf happened to my system ;-( |
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| 08:42.54 | streuner | well, you upgrade to unstable/sid |
| 08:42.58 | streuner | upgraded |
| 08:43.03 | streuner | don't ask us |
| 08:43.14 | morphix | yeah i want to keep sid, but now im getting testing sources |
| 08:43.25 | streuner | so fix your sources.list |
| 08:43.35 | morphix | this sux |
| 08:43.44 | jetscreamer | ctrl c |
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| 08:44.38 | jetscreamer | you're probably best off backing up /home and /etc, and using d-i |
| 08:45.00 | streuner | <morphix> yeah i want to keep sid, but now im getting testing sources |
| 08:45.02 | jetscreamer | and whatever else you wanna backup |
| 08:45.08 | jetscreamer | ctrl c |
| 08:45.16 | jetscreamer | i'm assuming a morphix hd install |
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| 08:45.28 | streuner | !hwinfosmite jetscreamer |
| 08:45.31 | dpkg | Scanning jetscreamer ... No meaningful response. Please ensure brain is connected, or return to supplier for replacement. |
| 08:45.36 | morphix | arrrgh |
| 08:45.53 | POVaddct | jetscreamer: no, morphix is just his nickname |
| 08:46.05 | Dabian | morphix: Tset /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:46.05 | Dabian | s/se/es/ |
| 08:46.05 | Dabian | s/Test/Check/ |
| 08:46.05 | Dabian | p |
| 08:46.05 | Dabian | morphix: Check /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:46.12 | streuner | jetscreamer: morphix> my name is short for amorphix, which is my nickname for 5 years before "morphix" dist was heard of |
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| 08:46.30 | jetscreamer | o |
| 08:46.33 | cahoot | streuner: better put that in topic |
| 08:46.38 | jetscreamer | still, ctrl c |
| 08:46.40 | m0rphix | hehe |
| 08:47.23 | m0rphix | i could get my real nick back but im too lazy to go to workstation |
| 08:47.32 | jetscreamer | how do you get testing sources magically, when you have sid? |
| 08:47.39 | glick | does anyone here use deb at work? |
| 08:47.40 | m0rphix | thats a very good question |
| 08:47.56 | streuner | the answer is still /etc/apt/sources.list - no magic |
| 08:48.13 | m0rphix | all i did was apt-setup, added a new source, then apt-get update |
| 08:48.21 | m0rphix | and suddenly im switched to testing |
| 08:48.22 | jetscreamer | ahh apt-setup |
| 08:48.36 | streuner | m0rphix: /msg dpkg flood |
| 08:48.53 | streuner | and show us your sources.list |
| 08:48.58 | jetscreamer | change what says testing or sarge to sid or unstable |
| 08:48.59 | m0rphix | sorry |
| 08:49.08 | m0rphix | ok |
| 08:49.12 | jetscreamer | then update again |
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| 08:49.29 | streuner | dpkg, flood |
| 08:49.30 | dpkg | Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. Any questions? If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 08:49.33 | glick | damn time flys when your configuring yur system |
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| 08:49.39 | glick | 4:30 here |
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| 08:49.43 | streuner | m0rphix: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 08:49.47 | m0rphix | thanx |
| 08:49.48 | glick | 4:50 actually |
| 08:50.05 | glick | maybe i should get my rediculous ass to bed |
| 08:50.08 | jetscreamer | i was about to say, glick |
| 08:50.29 | glick | heh |
| 08:50.31 | jetscreamer | ntpdate |
| 08:51.06 | glick | my system is hooked up now |
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| 08:51.18 | glick | couple more tweaks here and there and ill be golden |
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| 08:51.25 | m0rphix | hehe |
| 08:51.29 | glick | althought your never really dont tweaking and configing |
| 08:51.37 | chealer | glick: sure...after this kernel compile is over :) |
| 08:51.49 | glick | dont = done |
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| 08:52.38 | glick | thanks to udev my firewire 200 gig drive is actually usefull |
| 08:52.40 | glick | hehe |
| 08:53.59 | POVaddct | cool, kernel 1.2.13 runs in qemu :) |
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| 08:54.08 | glick | i also have a date tomorrow, i dont wanna be sleepin on my date, well...actually I do want to sleep on my date, i mean i dont want to sleep during my date :) |
| 08:55.42 | jetscreamer | i wonder if your date would want us to know this |
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| 08:56.33 | m0rphix | streuner: http://channels.debian.net/paste/161 |
| 08:56.43 | m0rphix | (had to wait for update to complete) |
| 08:57.00 | jetscreamer | comment out the security |
| 08:58.02 | jetscreamer | then update again |
| 08:58.16 | glick | well, g'nite folks |
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| 08:58.43 | glick | nooo!!! u bastid! |
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| 09:00.29 | chealer | is pdo down or is it my connexion? |
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| 09:00.47 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 09:00.47 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. |
| 09:00.57 | jetscreamer | you |
| 09:01.22 | streuner | works here |
| 09:01.33 | chealer | ur, but I'm using Debian! :) thanks anyway |
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| 09:02.03 | streuner | jetscreamer: the first char in browser should show you the complete URL :-P |
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| 09:02.23 | idealbsd | what's the apps using tcpmux protocol link to the same ip address in port 1, i find it in firestarter but nmap or netstat can't find it? |
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| 09:02.29 | jetscreamer | yeah but i'd have to open it, and hit f6... and type.... |
| 09:02.40 | streuner | jetscreamer: or bookmark it :-P |
| 09:03.02 | jetscreamer | oh and i'm anal about having http:// in front and a trailing /... pita |
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| 09:06.48 | b00 | hello |
| 09:07.26 | b00 | how do I enable password auth. with ssh ? I've upgraded, and for some reason it stopped accepting password authentication |
| 09:07.27 | b00 | :/ |
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| 09:08.04 | streuner | b00: woody to sarge? |
| 09:08.21 | b00 | streuner: ah, PasswordAuthentication yes. Its sarge |
| 09:08.28 | streuner | !upgrade tests |
| 09:08.28 | dpkg | Upgrade Tests - It is recommended to read the release notes before upgrading, and in particular Chapter 4, "Upgrades from previous releases". upgrade report template to help when reporting problems with the upgrades (http://release.debian.org/upgrade-report.html). If you do run into problems please fill it out, and email it to submit@bugs.debian.org, thanks. |
| 09:08.44 | b00 | heh |
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| 09:08.57 | rumpl | alexscott, are you there??? |
| 09:09.25 | Submarine | can I ask for some test? |
| 09:09.32 | Submarine | can somebody try host -t mx wikimedia.fr ? |
| 09:09.56 | bob2 | wikimedia.fr. 86400 IN MX 1 smtp.wikimedia.fr. |
| 09:09.56 | bob2 | wikimedia.fr. 86400 IN MX 100 mxb.ovh.net. |
| 09:10.10 | deejoe | results in #flood shortly |
| 09:10.11 | streuner | knusper:~# host -t mx wikimedia.fr |
| 09:10.11 | streuner | wikimedia.fr mail is handled by 1 smtp.wikimedia.fr. |
| 09:10.11 | streuner | wikimedia.fr mail is handled by 100 mxb.ovh.net. |
| 09:10.18 | Submarine | ok excellent |
| 09:10.38 | Submarine | of course there's no easy way to flush DNS caches |
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| 09:11.08 | Submarine | thanks |
| 09:11.23 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to use cnames in mx records |
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| 09:11.43 | streuner | b00: check out /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 09:12.47 | danaya22f | ubuntu baby here |
| 09:12.53 | danaya22f | kubuntu baby here |
| 09:13.10 | liable | hmm |
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| 09:13.23 | b00 | streuner: yes, i 've found it :) |
| 09:13.23 | liable | maybe wrong chan then? |
| 09:13.32 | streuner | !hwinfosmite danaya22f |
| 09:13.33 | dpkg | Scanning danaya22f ... No meaningful response. Please ensure brain is connected, or return to supplier for replacement. |
| 09:13.45 | cheal | Submarine: are you following mediawiki's ITP? |
| 09:13.47 | idealbsd | ubuntu may difference to debian more and more |
| 09:13.57 | Submarine | ITP? |
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| 09:14.21 | cheal | Submarine: that means someone proposed to package it for debian... |
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| 09:14.49 | jetscreamer | everybody was KungFu fighting... |
| 09:14.57 | jetscreamer | !kill KungFu |
| 09:15.04 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 09:15.06 | liable | ouch |
| 09:15.11 | cheal | Submarine: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=217571 if you're interested |
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| 09:16.12 | KungFu | hid3, gentlemen |
| 09:16.28 | Submarine | interesting |
| 09:16.33 | Submarine | for now I just install it manually |
| 09:16.59 | cheal | Submarine: yeah. basically many people have proposed to package it but it's a bit stalling |
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| 09:23.41 | m0rphix | i am soooo fuked off today |
| 09:24.10 | m0rphix | ever had one of those days? |
| 09:24.36 | deadcat | m0rphix: no |
| 09:24.47 | m0rphix | your Debian dist decides to switch to testing, your homepage CMS decides to stop displaying content, and to top it off a RAID SCSI card u been waiting for for a week arrives shaped like a banana |
| 09:25.08 | m0rphix | i may as well just stay in bed |
| 09:25.24 | KungFu | yeah! |
| 09:25.46 | liable | m0rphix: to the pub, drown your sorrows, pick a fight, go home, kick the dog. :) |
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| 09:25.52 | m0rphix | heh |
| 09:26.16 | JohnnyST | How do I set default printer and settings in Mozilla? it keeps chaning back to what I do not want. |
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| 09:28.01 | KungFu | man, you are crazy~ |
| 09:28.03 | michal_ | i've been trying to figure out a way to download wmv files luinked via mms:// url's and I can't seem to do it.. do any debian installable apps support downloading from such url's ? |
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| 09:30.18 | lindi- | michal_: http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge/mplayer_1.0pre7-1_i386.deb is still waiting in the new queue at http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge/mplayer_1.0pre7-1_i386.deb |
| 09:30.24 | trueno | Can anyone send me a stream that works with xmms? I can't get it working! |
| 09:30.37 | lindi- | michal_: i mean http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 09:30.43 | michal_ | lindi: i have that mplayer installed at the moment |
| 09:30.53 | michal_ | lindi: i use marillat's apt source |
| 09:31.03 | Gathond | trueno: if you are thinking mp3 streams I have never had any problems with the shoutcast.com stuff |
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| 09:31.16 | lindi- | michal_: marillat has some non-free stuff there afaik |
| 09:31.20 | trueno | Gathond: thanks |
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| 09:31.55 | lindi- | michal_: but the above package is the one that is about to enter debian real soon now(tm) so you might want to betatest it :) |
| 09:31.58 | kimtree | how can i get xserver run pls? |
| 09:31.59 | mediafly | Hi, how can I burn a photo cd on Debian? |
| 09:32.13 | XI-Phazor | kimtree, try startx? |
| 09:32.13 | ivan | k3b |
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| 09:32.17 | deadcat | mediafly: just like other cds |
| 09:32.24 | michal_ | lindi: but will it do what I'm after? i havn't been able to get mplayer to do it |
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| 09:32.47 | kimtree | startx can't work! |
| 09:33.01 | mediafly | deadcat: but what parameters do I need? I can't burn it just as data cd since some dvd-players can't read it |
| 09:34.02 | trueno | Gathond: I get "Junk at the beginning 5b706c61" when trying to play anything with mpg123/xmms |
| 09:34.20 | trueno | Gathond: (mp3 streams) |
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| 09:36.20 | deadcat | trueno: please dont tell me you chose your nick after that anime... |
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| 09:36.46 | azeroth | hallo |
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| 09:37.55 | deadcat | trueno: you did didnt you? |
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| 09:37.57 | kimtree | where can i get installing debian completely? tell me thanks a lot |
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| 09:38.06 | trueno | deadcat: trueno is spanish for thunder |
| 09:38.16 | deadcat | kimtree: debian.org |
| 09:38.22 | deadcat | trueno: ok cool. |
| 09:38.30 | bob2 | kimtree: try #debian-zh |
| 09:38.33 | lindi- | michal_: can you give me the mms:// url? |
| 09:38.42 | lindi- | michal_: kind of hard to test without :) |
| 09:39.00 | michal_ | mms://media3.abc.net.au/winlibrary/200505/r47792_125604.wmv |
| 09:39.46 | deadcat | bob2: remember i was talking about that laser printer? it was out of stock yesterday when they have the rebate. now since it expires. they have it in stock. what a bunch of fuckers. |
| 09:39.52 | trueno | deadcat: What did you think? |
| 09:40.01 | bob2 | bastards |
| 09:40.04 | kimtree | deadcat:i can't let my video card work well after installing debian |
| 09:40.21 | deadcat | trueno: the japanese anime show. that stupid car |
| 09:40.37 | deadcat | kimtree: you use debian installer? |
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| 09:40.44 | azeroth | Kann mir einer helfen mein eth0 wieder in gang zu setzen? |
| 09:41.01 | kimtree | deadcat:what is debian installer? |
| 09:41.05 | trueno | deadcat: mmm I see |
| 09:41.10 | lindi- | michal_: Connecting to server media3.abc.net.au[203.2.218.27]:1755 ... Connect error : Connection refused |
| 09:41.12 | deadcat | !tell kimtree about d-i |
| 09:41.25 | michal_ | http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200505/r47792_125604.asx |
| 09:41.33 | michal_ | that's the file that contains the mms url |
| 09:41.55 | michal_ | i'm afraid i may need windows to download this wmv :/ |
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| 09:42.00 | deadcat | trueno: basically its a freakin toyota corolla, but people think its like gold... sad |
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| 09:42.08 | lindi- | michal_: mms://media4.abc.net.au/winlibrary/200505/r47792_125604.wmv works |
| 09:42.11 | liable | azeroth: /j debian.de |
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| 09:42.34 | michal_ | lindi: and how can i save that to a file ? |
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| 09:42.43 | lindi- | michal_: -dumpstream? |
| 09:42.45 | IDC | How do i free the shared memory from kernel ? |
| 09:42.45 | trueno | deadcat: I haven't seen it in fact |
| 09:42.50 | myboss | is there a chat group for nvu? |
| 09:43.03 | IDC | right now its limited to 32MB the maxium |
| 09:43.13 | bob2 | iprm |
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| 09:43.30 | IDC | cat /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax |
| 09:43.30 | IDC | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.38 | jeanmi__ | is there any equivalent to Apple's iTune for GNU/Linux ? |
| 09:43.54 | bob2 | be more specific |
| 09:43.57 | trueno | deadcat: Whatever :-) |
| 09:44.00 | bob2 | why do you care about itunes? |
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| 09:44.45 | jeanmi__ | bob2 I mean something that could offer me a big list of categorised radio streams |
| 09:44.53 | bob2 | rhythmbox |
| 09:44.58 | bob2 | but it's default list is small |
| 09:45.02 | jeanmi__ | ok |
| 09:45.15 | kimtree | deadcat:i use woody not sarge |
| 09:45.50 | bob2 | hm |
| 09:46.39 | deadcat | kimtree: maybe you should consider sarge. |
| 09:46.58 | kimtree | i can't wake up my xserver after installing debian and the fatal is scree not found |
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| 09:47.19 | myboss | Anyone knows of any software to download video clips from a 3G phone? |
| 09:47.26 | kimtree | deadcat:ok i take a try |
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| 09:47.54 | Patrick` | I feel like an idiot, but my alt key doesn't work in X |
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| 09:48.05 | Patrick` | correct keyboard map for the UK, I think |
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| 09:48.34 | kimtree | deadcat:but may i ask you about how the xserver set up properly? |
| 09:48.35 | drac | Patrick`: pc104? cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | grep -i xkb |
| 09:48.52 | drac | hmm. sorry. grep -i xkb /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 09:48.58 | Patrick` | yep |
| 09:49.12 | Patrick` | more pipes, that's the unix way |
| 09:49.14 | deadcat | kimtree: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 whta card you have? |
| 09:49.16 | kimtree | deadcat:when the process of the installing |
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| 09:49.18 | Patrick` | hold that thought, I'm late |
| 09:49.23 | drac | Patrick`: dpkg-reconfigure console-data, dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
| 09:49.31 | kimtree | deadcat:sis |
| 09:49.37 | Patrick` | on the console it's fine! but I'll try that |
| 09:49.41 | Patrick` | ok, being late, tata |
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| 09:49.49 | kimtree | and another computer is nv |
| 09:50.09 | myboss | Anyone knows of any software to download video clips from a 3G phone? |
| 09:50.11 | jeanmi__ | bob2 any idea where I could find a list of streams for rhytmbox ? |
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| 09:50.30 | bob2 | jeanmi__: you mean a list of icecast radio stations? google. |
| 09:50.47 | sepski | myboss, i just insert the SD ram in my SD reader and use usb-storage to mount it |
| 09:50.47 | bob2 | myboss: pretty sure you need to be more specific than that |
| 09:51.03 | jeanmi__ | bob2 alright then.... |
| 09:51.16 | bob2 | or maybe icecast.org has a list |
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| 09:52.00 | kimtree | deadcat:i just want to know how setting up xserver in the process of the installing debian |
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| 09:52.14 | deadcat | kimtree: i gave you the answer |
| 09:52.16 | myboss | sepski, can't be done by direct usb-link xfer? |
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| 09:52.32 | kimtree | what answer? |
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| 09:53.10 | drac | kimtree: [12:49] < deadcat> kimtree: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:53.15 | sepski | myboss, probably, but i dont know how |
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| 09:53.37 | colde89 | have problems with sata, when i connect the drives, linux stops while booting |
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| 09:54.22 | sepski | i'd try usb-storage first, if that fails perhaps gphoto |
| 09:54.23 | kimtree | drac:i cant get your point |
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| 09:55.29 | deadcat | what the fuck... |
| 09:55.31 | drac | kimtree: That is the command, how you configure X server, after installing it with 'apt-get install x-window-system-core'. As many times you need. |
| 09:55.43 | drac | Now that's clear, done, overwith :-) |
| 09:55.56 | deadcat | drac: thats what you think (= |
| 09:56.24 | kimtree | deadcat=drac? |
| 09:56.36 | drac | heh! |
| 09:56.38 | deadcat | kimtree: does deadcat == drac? |
| 09:56.54 | drac | deadcat: sorry for intervention :) |
| 09:57.22 | kimtree | i see thanks both anyway :) |
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| 09:57.34 | deadcat | drac: its cool. |
| 09:58.06 | kimtree | deadcat=\=drac |
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| 09:58.22 | deadcat | no shit. one is 4 char and one is 8 |
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| 10:00.16 | Phated | 7. |
| 10:00.17 | tarzeau | jharrison: they are all good |
| 10:00.27 | deadcat | Phated: my bad. (= |
| 10:00.30 | deadcat | hehe |
| 10:00.31 | Phated | deadcat: :) |
| 10:00.42 | deadcat | damn that was bad. hehe. |
| 10:01.03 | deadcat | embarrassing. |
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| 10:02.17 | bob2 | so, what should I be using to burn cds in a dvd burner? |
| 10:02.18 | bob2 | cdrecord? |
| 10:02.21 | bob2 | dvdrecord? |
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| 10:02.43 | IoP_ | growisofs |
| 10:02.47 | colde89 | has somebody experience with sata? |
| 10:02.58 | bob2 | colde89: lots of people |
| 10:03.04 | bob2 | colde89: your question was too vague for anyone to help, tho |
| 10:03.15 | bob2 | do you mean "The boot stops before it reaches grub"? |
| 10:03.20 | bob2 | or before the kernel starts? |
| 10:03.23 | bob2 | or while it starts? |
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| 10:03.28 | bob2 | IoP_: even for a data cd, not dvd? |
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| 10:03.46 | deadcat | bob2: i think he wants to know if it works on linux. so he will try to install debian. |
| 10:03.52 | colde89 | bob2: always i connect the drives to the pc, wy linux would not start |
| 10:04.07 | bob2 | colde89: what's your native language? |
| 10:04.16 | colde89 | bob2: de |
| 10:04.20 | bob2 | deadcat: it sounds ot me like he/she tried and it failed |
| 10:04.23 | aeho | How the hell I can remove icons from my desktop? I'm using gnome |
| 10:04.25 | bob2 | colde89: try #debian.de |
| 10:04.34 | colde89 | bob2: ok |
| 10:04.35 | bob2 | aeho: in gconf-editor |
| 10:04.40 | deadcat | aeho: dont use gnome if you dont want the damn icons |
| 10:04.50 | bob2 | deadcat: or use gnome and disable them |
| 10:04.54 | bob2 | or disable the whole background |
| 10:04.55 | bob2 | etc |
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| 10:04.57 | deadcat | bob2: that too. |
| 10:05.13 | |JE55E| | Hey peoples. I have installed CentOS to partition 6 with grub installed to partition 6 also. Thats because I already have lilo on mbr and debian on main partition. What would I need to do to get part 6 to boot centos now? |
| 10:05.29 | |JE55E| | And keep all my debian stuff and lilo? |
| 10:05.30 | bob2 | |JE55E|: this sounds a lot like a #centos question |
| 10:05.30 | deadcat | bob2: isnt the icons on the desktop is what gnome is all about? |
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| 10:05.58 | kimtree | deadcat:what is the difference between sarge and woody? |
| 10:05.59 | bob2 | |JE55E|: edit your lilo configuration to chain boot to hda6 |
| 10:06.08 | bob2 | deadcat: who knows, I never see my desktop |
| 10:06.12 | deadcat | kimtree: stable / testing |
| 10:06.21 | kimtree | i know |
| 10:06.28 | deadcat | then why ask? |
| 10:06.30 | |JE55E| | bob2, ta, how would I do that? |
| 10:06.32 | darkk | hello, i have trouble getting a joystick to work in ia32-chroot on an amd64 system. i.e. jscal reports an invalid argument. guess it is that the device node is not compatible. any ideas? |
| 10:06.44 | bob2 | |JE55E|: /etc/lilo.conf, it has examples at the bottom |
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| 10:06.55 | bob2 | deadcat: "compatible"? is it even there? |
| 10:06.56 | deadcat | kimtree: is the sun coming up tomorrow? |
| 10:07.11 | bob2 | darkk: "compatible"? is it even there? |
| 10:07.13 | bob2 | deadcat: (sorry) |
| 10:07.18 | darkk | aye |
| 10:07.19 | |JE55E| | bob2, cheers |
| 10:07.28 | deadcat | bob2: i was getting ready to yell at you (= |
| 10:07.35 | aeho | bob2, where desktop icons are located in gconf editor? |
| 10:07.44 | darkk | bob2: i can cat it, so no problem |
| 10:07.49 | tarzeau | aeho: gconf is not an editor |
| 10:07.52 | kimtree | deadcat: i mean i install sarge easier than woody for Xserver set? |
| 10:08.00 | aeho | tarzeau, gconf-editor |
| 10:08.03 | tarzeau | kimtree: yes |
| 10:08.16 | deadcat | kimtree: ya. if you install sarge using the debian installer. it will detect your video card |
| 10:08.33 | kimtree | auto? |
| 10:08.47 | deadcat | it tries its best. |
| 10:08.50 | bob2 | aeho: apps -> nautilus -> desktop |
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| 10:08.55 | darkk | the jscal from the 64bit-userland works. but not that from the ia32 chroot. |
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| 10:09.19 | Usiu | Hi which CD has rescue booting ?? |
| 10:09.26 | bob2 | the woody one |
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| 10:09.35 | Usiu | I need minimal CD in order to do rescue for sarge |
| 10:09.37 | kimtree | deadcat: i think maybe i should take sarge a try now! |
| 10:09.39 | Usiu | bob2, ? |
| 10:10.06 | deadcat | Usiu: stable cd. |
| 10:10.07 | jetdotnet | give, not take |
| 10:10.11 | bob2 | Usiu: "no the woody cd does not have a rescue option, shockingly, since the help says that. get a woody cd, a live cd like ubuntu's live cd, or boot into the sarge installer far enough that it detects your disks) |
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| 10:10.16 | aeho | bob2, thanks |
| 10:10.41 | Usiu | deadcat, which one ? :) |
| 10:10.50 | deadcat | Usiu: cd1 worked for me |
| 10:11.06 | aeho | nice to see people, who are helping linux novices :) |
| 10:11.06 | Usiu | deadcat, ok thx |
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| 10:12.01 | jetdotnet | there is no help |
| 10:12.09 | SyncMaster | hi @ all |
| 10:12.17 | Usiu | deadcat, debian-30r5-i386-binary-1.iso should be ok ? |
| 10:12.28 | jetdotnet | uh |
| 10:12.28 | deadcat | Usiu: ya. |
| 10:12.39 | SyncMaster | does anybody here use xine with xvmc? |
| 10:12.51 | jetdotnet | to use d-i as a rescue |
| 10:12.58 | kimtree | deadcat:where can i download sarge cd ? your suggestion ? |
| 10:13.12 | jetdotnet | they say start the installer, take it all the way to the partitioner, then shell out and chroot |
| 10:13.15 | tarzeau | !d-i |
| 10:13.15 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 10:13.30 | jetdotnet | no need to d/l a 700mb iso |
| 10:13.39 | IDC | I would like to have 128MB share memory,so i do echo 134217728 >/proc/sys/kernel/shmmax ,also,echo 134217728 >/>/proc/sys/kernel/shmall, is this correct ? |
| 10:13.56 | bob2 | IDC: why? |
| 10:14.19 | IDC | bob2, because i want my php accerator to use more share memory |
| 10:14.22 | myboss | can recommend a widely used free email server software? |
| 10:14.26 | bob2 | haha |
| 10:14.31 | IDC | The default 32MB is way too small |
| 10:14.31 | tarzeau | myboss: exim |
| 10:14.40 | bob2 | postfix. |
| 10:14.42 | IDC | ^-^ |
| 10:14.43 | jetdotnet | exim4 |
| 10:14.47 | darkk | myboss: would try exim if you do something from scratch. =) |
| 10:14.49 | Mage__ | postfix. |
| 10:14.55 | Crasp | postfix |
| 10:14.56 | Crasp | . |
| 10:14.56 | bob2 | er, exim4 |
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| 10:15.07 | bob2 | exim3 is not maintained, no one should be using it on new machines |
| 10:15.07 | myboss | tarzeau, sounds familiar. it comes with sarge, right? |
| 10:15.12 | tarzeau | myboss: yes |
| 10:15.13 | Mage__ | SENDMAIL |
| 10:15.21 | darkk | eek! |
| 10:15.24 | jetdotnet | no, that came with woody, exim4 comes with sarge |
| 10:15.26 | Mage__ | >:O |
| 10:15.37 | tarzeau | jetdotnet: it's still exim |
| 10:15.47 | myboss | i am new to this stuff, excuse me if my q is too elementary for you all. |
| 10:15.54 | darkk | Mage__: surely works, but why being masochistic? :P |
| 10:15.58 | bob2 | no one said that |
| 10:16.14 | Mage__ | darkk: I hate sendmail .. :) |
| 10:16.15 | myboss | is it automatically install or do i have to install it? |
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| 10:16.17 | bob2 | it's just kinda silly from the point of view that *all* major SMTP servers are free |
| 10:16.22 | myboss | i am using sarge. |
| 10:16.24 | jetdotnet | it should be installed |
| 10:16.27 | darkk | Mage__: ah yes, hehe. |
| 10:16.35 | bob2 | exim4 will be installed by default |
| 10:16.58 | |JE55E| | bob2, cheers for the bootup advice. Thats working sweet! |
| 10:17.04 | myboss | how to use it, or start it? |
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| 10:17.31 | darkk | well .. any ideas for the not working ia32-chroot-jscal? =) |
| 10:17.33 | myboss | i don't remember seeing it in the kde menu. |
| 10:17.46 | bob2 | myboss: it's already started |
| 10:17.55 | Mage__ | in kde menu .. ? |
| 10:18.03 | bob2 | myboss: servers don't appear in any menu |
| 10:18.21 | myboss | right, excuse me. |
| 10:18.37 | Mage__ | look at /etc/postfix/main.cf and |
| 10:18.46 | Mage__ | /etc/postfix/master.cf |
| 10:18.57 | bob2 | Mage__: er, please don't confuse myboss |
| 10:19.02 | bob2 | Mage__: since he/she is using exim4 |
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| 10:19.07 | darkk | uh, i think i just killed the filesystem on my notebook. |
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| 10:19.29 | Mage__ | oh.. I think he/she used postfix.. sorry |
| 10:19.32 | jetdotnet | myboss: you might need/want to apt-get install exim4-doc* |
| 10:20.02 | kimtree | deadcat:i love you |
| 10:20.06 | myboss | jetdotnet, t.hat's what i was going to ask next |
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| 10:20.10 | andrewtaylor_ | Hi, I'm having some problems with getting cron working. It's a bit of a newbie problem I'm afraid. I've created my entry with crontab -e, I've restarted cron but I get nothing, no error messages and the job doesn't run |
| 10:20.16 | deadcat | kimtree: love you back. |
| 10:20.18 | myboss | no doc in /usr/share? |
| 10:20.21 | andrewtaylor_ | what should I look at first |
| 10:20.28 | tarzeau | andrewtaylor_: what's the line? |
| 10:20.37 | andrewtaylor_ | 1 * * * * /usr/bin/mimms --output=/root/`date +%a_%d_%m_%Y.asf` --time=250 mms$ |
| 10:20.37 | tarzeau | andrewtaylor_: if the path is right, and the run time |
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| 10:20.52 | tarzeau | andrewtaylor_: what's mms$ a parameter? |
| 10:21.02 | jetdotnet | myboss: i think the docs are not installed by default, you need to install em... i told you how |
| 10:21.07 | andrewtaylor_ | no, line got cut off |
| 10:21.17 | andrewtaylor_ | 1 * * * * /usr/bin/mimms --output=/root/`date +%a_%d_%m_%Y.asf` --time=250 mms://live.eonstreams.com/ccri_fl_orlando_wxxl_fm.asf > /tmp/clean_tmp_dir.log |
| 10:21.19 | jetdotnet | looks like nano to me |
| 10:21.26 | myboss | jetdotnet, everyone, ok, bye. |
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| 10:21.38 | jetdotnet | ooookkkkk |
| 10:21.52 | tarzeau | andrewtaylor_: command runs in the shell? |
| 10:22.06 | andrewtaylor_ | yeah, it just grabs a radiostream and writes to a file |
| 10:22.09 | tarzeau | andrewtaylor_: you're root when setting this up? |
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| 10:22.12 | andrewtaylor_ | yes |
| 10:22.21 | tarzeau | looks fine to me. just i don't know mimms |
| 10:22.37 | andrewtaylor_ | do you think it oculd be a problem with the application not running? |
| 10:22.48 | tarzeau | andrewtaylor_: no idea |
| 10:23.17 | RvGaTe | http://pc.rvgate.nl:8081 <- lol |
| 10:23.27 | bob2 | andrewtaylor_: does it work if you replace the command with "touch /tmp/ITWORKS"? |
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| 10:23.41 | andrewtaylor_ | just trying now |
| 10:24.16 | jetdotnet | ? how did you get there? |
| 10:24.34 | jetdotnet | ah nm |
| 10:25.15 | andrewtaylor_ | do i need to restart cron everytime I modify the crontab? |
| 10:25.23 | Guerin | nope |
| 10:25.38 | caphuso | andrewtaylor_: hell, no. that'd be annoying for the poor sysadmin |
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| 10:26.02 | IDC | brb |
| 10:26.09 | andrewtaylor_ | nope, that's not working either |
| 10:26.15 | idealbsd | why so many scan come from freenode to my debian box show in firestarter? |
| 10:26.18 | andrewtaylor_ | 1 * * * * /usr/bin/touch /tmp/test |
| 10:26.28 | caphuso | idealbsd: because it's scanning you, duh |
| 10:26.44 | idealbsd | caphuso, thanks, ;) |
| 10:27.19 | andrewtaylor_ | oh hang on, does it run cron line by line, each action following the completion of the other, or does it fork a new process for each line and run concurrently |
| 10:27.45 | caphuso | andrewtaylor_: concurrently |
| 10:27.58 | andrewtaylor_ | hmm, i've no idea then |
| 10:27.58 | idealbsd | how to known where scan is come from while firestarter just show 0.0.0.0? |
| 10:28.01 | kimtree | deadcat:which the exact one page of debian-installer did you say or suggestion? |
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| 10:28.28 | andrewtaylor_ | ps ax shows /usr/sbin/cron and /USR/SBIN/CRON |
| 10:28.38 | andrewtaylor_ | ls |
| 10:28.41 | deadcat | !d-i |
| 10:28.41 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 10:28.58 | caphuso | andrewtaylor_: that's fine |
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| 10:29.37 | kimtree | deadcat:<debian-installer>? |
| 10:30.19 | Guerin | ask dpkg about it |
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| 10:31.10 | kimtree | deadcat == dpkg ? |
| 10:31.38 | RichiH | kimtree: dpkg is a bot |
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| 10:31.57 | kimtree | dpkg:<debian-installer>? |
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| 10:32.11 | deadcat | kimtree: are you pretending or plain old ignorant? |
| 10:32.13 | Raptoid | hi everybody |
| 10:32.35 | RichiH | dpkg: debian-installer |
| 10:32.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-installer is the replacement for the aging "boot-floppies" installation system used in all previous versions of debian. The Debian Installer will be the installer for future versions of Debian, beginning with sarge. It has been designed to be more modular, easier to use, and more extensible than the old installation system. see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or ask me about d-i |
| 10:32.41 | m0rphix | heh |
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| 10:33.36 | kimtree | deadcat:i am plain old ignorant |
| 10:34.51 | deadcat | thats what i thought |
| 10:35.06 | kimtree | thanks a lot ! |
| 10:35.14 | deadcat | sure |
| 10:35.19 | kimtree | sure |
| 10:35.28 | m0rphix | i have hair growing out of my nose |
| 10:35.39 | war- | m0rphix: shave it |
| 10:35.46 | war- | nose trimmer ^^ |
| 10:35.47 | m0rphix | damn i must be getting old |
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| 10:36.53 | m0rphix | note re Compaq Armada M700 laptops: battery has a tendency to randomly fall out |
| 10:37.02 | IDC | It doesn't work,it still reports 32MB of maxiume share memory available |
| 10:37.12 | m0rphix | avoid letting it land on your toe |
| 10:37.19 | m0rphix | (ouch) |
| 10:37.29 | darkk | hmmm |
| 10:37.50 | kimtree | RichiH:dpkg is a bot.what do you mean? |
| 10:38.13 | IDC | I added in /proc/sys/kernel |
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| 10:38.33 | IDC | I mean i added in /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax |
| 10:38.42 | IDC | also in /proc/sys/kernel/shmall |
| 10:38.46 | borhanix | the current stable version of debian is 3, but which release? |
| 10:38.53 | IDC | and in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 10:39.13 | borhanix | is 3 release 4 stable? |
| 10:39.15 | IDC | plus,i added in /etc/init.d/ to load it at startup |
| 10:39.33 | IDC | but now,it still says 32MB share memory available in total |
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| 10:39.37 | IDC | Any idea,please ? |
| 10:39.52 | RichiH | !what are you |
| 10:39.52 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 10:40.29 | m0rphix | !blootbot |
| 10:40.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 10:40.34 | Patrick` | my alt key still isn't working, I have my locales set up properly though |
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| 10:40.56 | FlimFlamMan | on sarge/apache2, is it possible to configure a directory to grant access based on more than one auth scheme? eg, i want local users to authenticate using their normal accounts, but i also want to permit guest users specified in htaccess files... |
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| 10:41.07 | Guerin | hrm, ocp is unbearably hard to operate |
| 10:41.21 | Patrick` | and yes, it works on the root console |
| 10:41.47 | borhanix | is debian version 3 release 4 stable? |
| 10:41.53 | Guerin | borhanix: yes. |
| 10:41.59 | borhanix | guerin: thank you |
| 10:42.32 | Guerin | borhanix: you should probably only install it on the most utterly critical machines, though. Sarge (3.1) is about to be released, and is much newer. |
| 10:42.38 | POVaddct | sandbox? ssh -p 10022 dsl@84.179.71.214 (password: dsl) |
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| 10:42.59 | zebedee | Hi all. This may be a stupid question, but here goes; is it possible to make use of the "kernel-patch-*" packages without having to recompile a whole new kernel? |
| 10:43.09 | Patrick` | no. |
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| 10:43.45 | borhanix | Guerin: I am new to debian, I dont know which version to download - and I dont think I need all the 7 iso's do i? |
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| 10:43.58 | Patrick` | borhanix: certainly not |
| 10:44.15 | zebedee | Patrick: OK, thanks. I shall look into recompiling. |
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| 10:44.22 | Guerin | borhanix: what are you wanting to use it for? |
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| 10:44.53 | Guerin | POVaddct: what exactly are you trying to prove? |
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| 10:45.01 | IDC | can anyone teach me how to sucesfully modify shmmax value on debian ? |
| 10:45.18 | borhanix | Guerin: Home use, I choose debian however because it is more mature and stable generally and I like it more than the others |
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| 10:45.26 | IDC | i set both the shammax and shmall to 128mb,but it doesn't work |
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| 10:45.44 | SyncMaster | hi |
| 10:45.49 | SyncMaster | has anybody here |
| 10:45.54 | SyncMaster | xine with xvmc? |
| 10:46.08 | POVaddct | Guerin: just wanted to see if my demo ssh login in qemu works |
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| 10:46.16 | POVaddct | haha, fork bomb |
| 10:46.21 | Guerin | POVaddct: :) |
| 10:46.32 | POVaddct | i knew it :) |
| 10:46.42 | SyncMaster | hey guys |
| 10:46.48 | SyncMaster | xine with xvmc? |
| 10:46.59 | Guerin | !d-i borhanix |
| 10:47.00 | dpkg | borhanix, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:47.02 | darkk | okay. now anyone there maybe who has got joystick working in ia32-chroot on amd64? =) |
| 10:47.10 | Guerin | borhanix: sarge is what you want. |
| 10:47.27 | SyncMaster | i start thinking i am a ghost |
| 10:47.46 | Guerin | wtf is xvmc? |
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| 10:48.14 | Patrick` | I should clarify, it's the left alt key that doesn't do anything |
| 10:48.16 | SyncMaster | Guerin: whats wtf? |
| 10:48.21 | Guerin | !wtf |
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| 10:48.47 | SyncMaster | aha |
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| 10:48.57 | POVaddct | Guerin: okay, you successfully killed it. i forgot to set rlimits :) |
| 10:49.13 | liable | !test |
| 10:49.13 | dpkg | Yes, liable, you're still online. |
| 10:49.21 | Guerin | dpkg, no, wtf is (What|Who|Where|Why|When) The Fuck |
| 10:49.21 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 10:49.23 | liable | !wtf |
| 10:49.25 | Guerin | !wtf |
| 10:49.28 | Guerin | grr |
| 10:49.38 | Patrick` | don't forget "how" |
| 10:49.39 | liable | how come dpkg is messaging that? |
| 10:49.50 | Guerin | Patrick`: how doesn't begin with w |
| 10:49.54 | Guerin | liable: dunno. |
| 10:49.59 | Patrick` | Guerin: it ends with w ! |
| 10:50.03 | Guerin | POVaddct: glad to be of service |
| 10:50.06 | Patrick` | close enough for me |
| 10:50.07 | darkk | lol |
| 10:50.17 | Guerin | Patrick`: it does indeed. |
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| 10:50.46 | Patrick` | I found one newspost that claimed it was a problem with xlibs, but it didn't have a solution |
| 10:51.03 | Guerin | borhanix: please don't /msg me - ask in channel. |
| 10:51.03 | Patrick` | oh, hahaha |
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| 10:51.21 | Patrick` | alt-tab works, it's just alt-num in xterm/irssi that's broken |
| 10:51.26 | Patrick` | obviously, this is not ideal. |
| 10:51.33 | POVaddct | Guerin: it was damn small linux running in qemu with -redir option, sudo disabled, some iptables rules |
| 10:51.36 | Guerin | Patrick`: oh. That'd be xterm's fault for stealing the alt key |
| 10:51.50 | Roadrunne | hi, I just installed gcc-3.0, but if i type 'gcc -dumpversion' it's still saying 2.95 |
| 10:51.54 | Guerin | Patrick`: you can use esc # |
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| 10:51.59 | Roadrunne | what's wrong? |
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| 10:52.07 | Guerin | not together; esc<release>number |
| 10:52.12 | borhanix | Guerin: ok, I didnt want to bother others - I'm not sure whether to download the netinstall, or sarge-i386-1.iso, or debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 10:52.12 | Patrick` | Guerin: I know |
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| 10:52.22 | Guerin | borhanix: got fast internet? |
| 10:52.22 | Patrick` | Guerin: but it's not what I normal use, it decreases productivity |
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| 10:52.28 | borhanix | Guerin: yes |
| 10:52.44 | Guerin | Patrick`: agreed. There's a faq on irssi.org about how to make xterm not steal that keystroke |
| 10:52.50 | [Timmeh] | how can i completely remove mysql inc databases etc to reinstall it from scratch? |
| 10:52.51 | Guerin | borhanix: just get the netinstall. |
| 10:52.52 | Patrick` | oh, yay |
| 10:53.14 | Anders1 | Roadrunne: gcc-3.0 -dumpversion |
| 10:53.23 | Guerin | that's actually the initial reason I chose rxvt over xterm :) |
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| 10:53.36 | borhanix | Guerin: ok, will that allow me to install Gnome and setup Grub to boot into Windows which already exists on my pc? |
| 10:53.54 | liable | yes |
| 10:53.57 | Guerin | [Timmeh]: dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server; choose 'delete aall tables'; apt-get remove --purge mysql-server |
| 10:54.02 | Guerin | borhanix: absolutely. |
| 10:54.05 | Roadrunne | Anders1: that's working. but if gcc is not started with '-v' it should use that latest installed gcc, isn't it? |
| 10:54.08 | [Timmeh] | thnx |
| 10:54.17 | dad | hey, all |
| 10:54.18 | borhanix | Guerin: thank you very much for your time |
| 10:54.21 | Patrick` | oh, I need to remap it to meta |
| 10:54.29 | Anders1 | Roadrunne: i dont know... i only use one copy of gcc |
| 10:54.38 | Guerin | borhanix: no problem. You might also want to browse over the install guide linked there. |
| 10:54.57 | liable | I was gonna say 'hey dad', but it reminded me of a really shitty sitcom |
| 10:55.11 | Roadrunne | Anders1: the docs telling that. gcc seems to be a wrapper like 'mail' |
| 10:55.25 | Guerin | Roadrunne: i think you'll find that /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink. if you want to use 3.0, change the symlink |
| 10:55.28 | Patrick` | Guerin: I feel like a noob, but I can't find it |
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| 10:55.45 | dad | i'm going from stable to testing, and there's this one package that's giving me trouble |
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| 10:56.01 | Guerin | dad: which? |
| 10:56.08 | [Timmeh] | "choose 'delete aall tables'" where do u get taht option? |
| 10:56.16 | Roadrunne | Guerin: thanks! that's the key... |
| 10:56.33 | dad | aptitude wants to download fgfs-base (91 megs) but i don't want it! |
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| 10:56.54 | Patrick` | Guerin: oh, found it, but now it makes weird characters appear |
| 10:57.13 | dad | can't even run it due to lack of graphics and processing power |
| 10:57.36 | Grein | i install ftpd create accounts but before login on ftp i cannot send files. whats the problem? |
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| 10:57.56 | m0rphix | i look at the list of apps on my upgrade list in apt and i feel terribly apprehensive |
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| 10:58.04 | m0rphix | is this normal? |
| 10:58.09 | Roadrunne | Anders1: Guerin was right. had to change to symlink. it was not done by installer. |
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| 10:59.11 | liable | m0rphix: sarge? |
| 10:59.12 | Guerin | dad: is it already installed? |
| 10:59.20 | Guerin | dad: some version or another, I mean. |
| 10:59.27 | m0rphix | uk.debian.org has to be the slowest server ive ever updated from |
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| 10:59.30 | dad | m0rphix: i'm going from stable to testing, and ended up downloading over 1000 packages |
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| 10:59.34 | m0rphix | liable: sid |
| 10:59.35 | Guerin | m0rphix: yes. |
| 10:59.35 | Patrick` | yeah, it's slow |
| 10:59.36 | Patrick` | I switched |
| 10:59.52 | Guerin | Grein: man ftpd |
| 10:59.59 | dad | Guerin: it was at one time |
| 11:00.00 | m0rphix | i would switch too if i could find one that a. works b. is uptodate |
| 11:00.01 | liable | m0rphix: yes, be scared, be very scared, especially ib libc6 is in there :) |
| 11:00.02 | Guerin | Grein: you probably need to make a dir writable |
| 11:00.12 | m0rphix | liable :P |
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| 11:00.22 | PerfDave | dad: HAve you read the Sarge Installation Manual on how to upgrade from Woody safely? |
| 11:00.24 | Guerin | dad: apt-get remove --purge fgfs-base |
| 11:00.31 | Guerin | dad: then run your upgrade again |
| 11:00.45 | dad | PerfDave: yes, i have :) |
| 11:00.51 | m0rphix | liable: all the bad ones are in there |
| 11:01.06 | dad | Guerin: thanks, i'll do :) |
| 11:01.11 | Guerin | the only time I've had trouble on an upgrade is from using non-debian packages or unstable. |
| 11:01.11 | PerfDave | dad: Good good ;) |
| 11:01.26 | m0rphix | thats me screwed then |
| 11:01.27 | Guerin | in most cases, you just have to hit enter a bunch of times |
| 11:01.29 | PerfDave | Guerin: Woody -> Sarge involves things lke using aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 11:01.30 | liable | m0rphix: oooh, have fun, backe dup? |
| 11:01.37 | m0rphix | heh no |
| 11:01.40 | PerfDave | Guerin: Plus replacing exim3 with exim4, and a few other things. |
| 11:01.48 | Guerin | PerfDave: i see. |
| 11:01.58 | Guerin | so it brings in all of aptitude's stupidities... |
| 11:02.21 | PerfDave | Guerin: You use it from the command line. It's to get around a bug in apt-get |
| 11:02.22 | liable | hehe, cant type a whole sentence tonight without a mistake. |
| 11:02.22 | kundalini | apt-get dist-upgrade <- it's usefull too, from woody to sarge , isn't it? |
| 11:02.28 | liable | except that one :) |
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| 11:02.40 | Guerin | PerfDave: i know, but it still b0rks the first time you use it after apt-get |
| 11:02.49 | PerfDave | Guerin: It does? |
| 11:02.51 | PerfDave | kundalini: No |
| 11:02.55 | Guerin | !aptitude |
| 11:02.55 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 11:03.00 | Guerin | PerfDave: that bug |
| 11:03.27 | dad | kundalini: aptitude is recommended, but it brings in a whole lot of other 'nicities'... |
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| 11:04.10 | Guerin | time to cook steak |
| 11:04.11 | Guerin | arr |
| 11:04.18 | PerfDave | apt-get breaks on dist-upgrading to sarge because it can only handle (IIRC) 1024 packages at a time, and tries to seperate the dist-upgrade into multiple invocations, which can cause dependancy breakages. |
| 11:04.41 | Guerin | PerfDave: ah, I see. I didn't have more than 1000 packages on my woody box. |
| 11:04.44 | kundalini | dad but apt it's good, i never have a problem |
| 11:05.02 | liable | hmm, and aptitude can handle more? interesting |
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| 11:05.11 | RichiH | PerfDave: really? |
| 11:05.16 | Mage__ | I always used apt-get dist-upgrade too .. |
| 11:05.17 | Guerin | apt-get is actually just a proof-of-concept implementation |
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| 11:05.30 | PerfDave | RichiH: No, I'm lying ;p |
| 11:05.32 | Guerin | never intended to be the mainstay package manager |
| 11:05.40 | RichiH | PerfDave: heh, thought as much ;) |
| 11:05.51 | dad | Guerin: Package fgfs-base is not installed, so not removed :( |
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| 11:05.55 | RichiH | Guerin: it's still the best one out there ;) |
| 11:06.03 | Guerin | dad: did it purge config files? |
| 11:06.04 | PerfDave | RichiH: Read the Sarge release nots |
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| 11:06.30 | Guerin | dad: something must be pulling it in as a dep, then. |
| 11:06.35 | RichiH | PerfDave: i am using testing and unstable on all my boxen so i don't mind the limit :p |
| 11:06.39 | RichiH | PerfDave: but will do, yah |
| 11:07.09 | kundalini | PerfDave i don't know a lot, but apt is good? which is the problem? |
| 11:07.09 | Guerin | i'm going to move to aptitude |
| 11:07.09 | Guerin | the hardest bit will be retraining my fingers |
| 11:07.19 | Guerin | kundalini: he DID explain it... |
| 11:07.30 | dad | Guerin: it was installed when i started the upgrade, but i stopped, removed it, then started the upgrade again |
| 11:07.41 | RichiH | Guerin: just use aptitude for that one upgrade and switch back afterwards |
| 11:07.45 | Guerin | dad: funky. |
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| 11:07.53 | Guerin | RichiH: naw, I've done it |
| 11:07.59 | kundalini | Guerin ok, go to internet... but i never have used aptitude.. |
| 11:08.09 | dad | Guerin: yea, that's what i thought |
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| 11:08.23 | Guerin | RichiH: but I mean I'm going to switch permanently - stop being curmudgeonly and oldskool and embrace the future |
| 11:08.40 | dad | Guerin: how can i place it on 'hold' |
| 11:08.55 | Guerin | dad: /msg dpkg hold - but I don't think that'll help you |
| 11:09.05 | dad | ok |
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| 11:09.30 | Guerin | dad: i'd look at what other packages are related to it - there may be some lib or something which is causing it come be reinstalled |
| 11:09.31 | Crasp | dselect? :) |
| 11:09.39 | Guerin | boo dselect |
| 11:10.05 | PerfDave | dad: apt-get rdepends fgfs-base |
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| 11:10.34 | dad | PerfDave: i'll try that! |
| 11:10.35 | Guerin | apt-cache rdepends, I think |
| 11:10.47 | PerfDave | Ah, yeah, my bad. |
| 11:11.14 | RichiH | Guerin: your choice ;) |
| 11:11.15 | kundalini | :) |
| 11:11.49 | Guerin | ok, see, this is why I don't use aptitude |
| 11:12.16 | Guerin | i go to dist-upgrade, and it wants to install exim and uninstall ssmtp, which has been working perfectly for months |
| 11:12.57 | caphuso | Guerin: purging aptitude and reinstalling it should fix that |
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| 11:13.21 | Guerin | hrm, ok. |
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| 11:13.31 | dad | damnit! depends: flightgear, but apt-cache says it's not installes either |
| 11:13.41 | caphuso | there might be another way of resetting aptitude's various caches and states, but i don't know one |
| 11:14.33 | darkness | I'm running apache atm on my deb box (woody). Now i'm thinking of upgrading to sarge hesitant as i've little linux experiance. Will their be any bug related problems or hastle in general for someone like myself? |
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| 11:14.55 | Guerin | darkness: will my firstborn be healthy? |
| 11:15.18 | PerfDave | darkness: You may want to wait until release, when upgrade path bugs will be more ironed out. |
| 11:15.18 | darkness | Subjective question. |
| 11:15.22 | Guerin | exactly |
| 11:15.38 | darkness | However mine wasn't so much |
| 11:15.42 | Guerin | yes, it was |
| 11:15.56 | darkness | Not if you said sarge was a very stable o.s |
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| 11:16.40 | rreck | is there a way to apt-get a bunch of libapache-mod* at once ? |
| 11:16.41 | Guerin | generally speaking, it should go off alright. But I don't know exactly what you have installed and how that'll play, and I don't know the extent to which you're able to figure things out and fix them. |
| 11:16.43 | darkness | Cheers perfDave. |
| 11:16.55 | mortalman | I just installed debian(sarge) and try as I might, when I install themes/stylez in blackbox it tiles the background image instead of stretching it. Any idea how to fix this? |
| 11:16.58 | PerfDave | darkness: You'll definitely want to read the Sarge upgrade notes. |
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| 11:17.49 | darkk | sorry, i had to leave earlier. any ideas regarding my ia32-chroot-jscal not working with the devices while 64bit-jscal does? =) |
| 11:18.15 | raboof | `pinning' is still the preferred way if you want to use an unstable package (say, eclipse) on sarge? |
| 11:18.24 | Guerin | raboof: yes. |
| 11:18.41 | xoz | rreck: apt-get install libapache-mod* ? |
| 11:18.47 | raboof | Guerin: k, thanks |
| 11:19.18 | darkk | hrm. is it possible that i'm the only one with that problem? |
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| 11:20.28 | rreck | xoz: i want to install several liapache-mods |
| 11:20.45 | rreck | xoz: without specifying each and every one |
| 11:21.35 | darkk | rreck: is there so many of them? |
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| 11:21.40 | drac | rreck: apt-get install libapache-mod-\* |
| 11:21.57 | POVaddct | Guerin: you can try the sandbox again if you want |
| 11:22.04 | Guerin | rreck: copy and paste |
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| 11:22.07 | raboof | anyone happen to know whether the debian eclipse package is plain java or the `fast' version compiled with gcj? |
| 11:22.11 | _redduck666 | on my friends computer there are thw eth's. eth1 is used to connect the computer to internet via dhcp, is there a way to use eth0, to make his laptop connect to internet via it? |
| 11:22.18 | _redduck666 | *two |
| 11:22.26 | fortran01 | anybody using BitchX? |
| 11:22.37 | drac | !confuse fortran01 |
| 11:22.38 | dpkg | Yes, what are our weasel yesterday, fortran01? wellies of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 11:22.40 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 11:22.40 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 11:22.58 | PerfDave | fortran01: /ctcp #debian VERSION |
| 11:23.11 | liable | !why isnt bitchx in sarge |
| 11:23.19 | liable | pfft |
| 11:23.23 | Guerin | !why is bitchx not in testing? |
| 11:23.24 | dpkg | bitchx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=bitchx |
| 11:23.25 | darkk | raboof: haven't looked for a while, but half a year or so ago i think it was the unmodified thingy |
| 11:23.30 | drac | !info bitchx sarge |
| 11:23.31 | dpkg | bitchx: (Advanced Internet Relay Chat client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1494 kB, Installed size: 6512 kB |
| 11:23.34 | Guerin | short answer: because it's shit and insecure |
| 11:23.39 | drac | and it's in sarge.. |
| 11:23.39 | Guerin | oh, it's back in |
| 11:23.42 | liable | fuck it, nite, gotta get up early go fishing. |
| 11:23.44 | Guerin | my bad |
| 11:23.50 | Guerin | liable: fishing++ |
| 11:24.03 | POVaddct | fortran01: use irssi |
| 11:24.03 | liable | spanish macs :) |
| 11:24.06 | darkness | Why doesn't irssi in woody have ssh? |
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| 11:24.26 | PerfDave | Why would an IRC client have SSH? |
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| 11:24.41 | darkness | ssl, sorry |
| 11:24.54 | Guerin | too old |
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| 11:25.18 | darkk | hmm ... okay ... anyone got a clue where i might ask about the ia32-chroot-joystick-not-working thingy? |
| 11:25.31 | darkk | don't say google, i tried that. |
| 11:25.34 | PerfDave | darkness: Probably not built with it for licensing reasons. apt-get source it and rebuild. |
| 11:25.39 | Guerin | darkk: #debian-amd64? |
| 11:25.48 | darkk | oooo, thanks |
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| 11:27.06 | IDC | I am having a serious problem now |
| 11:27.12 | darkness | Okay PerfDave, Just annoying as it's so easy to just install openssl on any win box. |
| 11:27.33 | IDC | i have tried to add stuff in /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax |
| 11:27.44 | IDC | but now,how do i redo it ? |
| 11:27.48 | IDC | there the file is empty |
| 11:27.58 | fortran01 | I had this problem connecting to irc.freenode.net using BitchX in a remote shell. My username at the remote shell is te.shek (with the dot). freenode says it is an invalid username. It still uses te.shek as username even if I change env variables like USER and IRCUSER, any ideas? |
| 11:28.09 | Guerin | IDC: man cat? |
| 11:28.21 | PerfDave | darkness: Woody dates back to the time when SSL was still classified as munitions and forbidden for export to many countries. Building packages with SSL support put them in non-US |
| 11:28.33 | IDC | cat /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax |
| 11:28.40 | Guerin | fortran01: if you can't configure the name in bx config, it's an even shitter client than I previously thought |
| 11:28.41 | IDC | 134217728 |
| 11:28.50 | fortran01 | Guerin: haha |
| 11:29.08 | fortran01 | ok ill try irssi |
| 11:29.12 | Guerin | but having a . in a username is also very stupid |
| 11:29.18 | IDC | has anyone here ever been lucky to change shmmax in debian sucessfully ? |
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| 11:29.25 | trygvebw | Hi! |
| 11:29.35 | trygvebw | Is there a debian-m68k channel? |
| 11:29.53 | Guerin | trygvebw: doubtful. There's a mailing list. |
| 11:29.58 | Guerin | trygvebw: just ask. |
| 11:30.28 | trygvebw | hm |
| 11:30.29 | trygvebw | ok |
| 11:30.44 | Patrick` | Ok, I've narrowed it down to xterm being a cawk |
| 11:30.57 | trygvebw | I was wondering - i have an old PowerBook 140, and i'm wondering if it's possible to run Linux on it? |
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| 11:31.04 | darkness | The us are so paranoid about anyone using any kind of strong encrytion...... I'm please the uk are less on the paranoid side :-) |
| 11:31.07 | Patrick` | try debian-ppc |
| 11:31.08 | fortran01 | Guerin: Is it possible to change my username at the remote shell with only my permissions? |
| 11:31.26 | Guerin | fortran01: no way |
| 11:31.35 | fortran01 | Guerin, thanks much |
| 11:31.39 | m0rphix | Im trying to reinstall perl but its not happening, apt-get --reinstall install perl not the way to do it? |
| 11:31.56 | Guerin | m0rphix: perl is a metapackage |
| 11:31.56 | PerfDave | darkness: I think the UK are just more realistic |
| 11:31.57 | shingouz | trygvebw: did you do a google on it? i have a faint recollection it shoudl be possible but would create almost unbearable pain to do so |
| 11:32.07 | m0rphix | Guerin: what does it mean? |
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| 11:32.15 | trygvebw | shingouz, ok :) |
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| 11:32.27 | Guerin | m0rphix: it depends on a bunch of other packages; those are the ones you have to reinstall. |
| 11:32.33 | trygvebw | shingouz, i see that the macsupported page on sourceforge is down :/ |
| 11:32.35 | m0rphix | omg |
| 11:32.38 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 11:32.39 | shingouz | trygvebw: do you have the mac os diskettes? |
| 11:32.40 | Guerin | m0rphix: to see which, apt-cache show perl |
| 11:32.47 | m0rphix | i may as well just dig a grave now and die in it |
| 11:32.48 | trygvebw | shiner840, yeah |
| 11:32.54 | shingouz | trygvebw: there sa some m86k linux website somewhere |
| 11:33.02 | Guerin | m0rphix: chin up, son. At least you didn't nuke /var ... |
| 11:33.05 | shingouz | trygvebw: which version if i may ask? |
| 11:33.09 | m0rphix | heh |
| 11:33.09 | PerfDave | m0rphix: Try reinstalling perl-base and perl-modules |
| 11:33.09 | Patrick` | Ok, aterm works, but aterm doesn't "get" unicode |
| 11:33.13 | trygvebw | 7.5.3 and 7.0 |
| 11:33.15 | m0rphix | ok |
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| 11:33.32 | Guerin | Patrick`: rxvt-unicode-ml > * |
| 11:33.33 | Patrick` | there's a channel for debian ppc but there's lots of mac people in general |
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| 11:33.44 | shingouz | trygvebw: k. i am still looking for a 7.6.x and 8.x from somewhere, that is why i asked ;) |
| 11:33.46 | trygvebw | should i try asking on #debian-ppc? |
| 11:33.49 | trygvebw | shingouz, ah :) |
| 11:33.58 | Guerin | not all m68ks are macs, people... |
| 11:34.10 | Guerin | anyway |
| 11:34.13 | Guerin | really, steak time |
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| 11:35.27 | aeuphor][ | hi peeps |
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| 11:35.54 | iostream | Hi. I have a partion mounted on /storage and I wish to give a specific user access to this directory, how can I accomplish that? I have looked in man fstab and man mount.. but can't seem to find an answer.. |
| 11:36.16 | Guerin | iostream: read access? write access? mount access? |
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| 11:36.25 | iostream | Guerin: read and write access. |
| 11:36.28 | martin2 | i am developing a php project and need a package to store files, track changes and make it easy to check in/out, any suggestions? preferably with a web front-end |
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| 11:36.33 | genix_ | How can I copy a dir but exclude one of the subdir, ex: cp -a /test/ -/test/notthisdir/ ? |
| 11:37.00 | rreck | you could move the sub then move it back |
| 11:37.03 | martin2 | ls | grep -v <dir> ? |
| 11:37.06 | Guerin | iostream: make the mount point gid thatuser |
| 11:37.34 | iostream | Guerin: So /storage would be owned by user root and group "user", correct? |
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| 11:37.57 | Guerin | iostream: yeah. you also may want to give +w to the group |
| 11:37.57 | Patrick` | yay |
| 11:37.59 | Patrick` | rxvt works |
| 11:38.08 | Patrick` | +- nast colour scheme |
| 11:38.20 | iostream | Guerin: Should these permission be set before or after the device is mounted? |
| 11:38.38 | Guerin | iostream: they should be set on the mount point, and on the dirs on the filesystem |
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| 11:39.50 | martin2 | i have a fucking idiot for a brother. |
| 11:40.06 | caphuso | martin2: i bet your brother says the exact same thing :) |
| 11:40.10 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:40.14 | martin2 | caphuso, he;s wrong though ;) |
| 11:40.28 | dad | Marjoin the club... |
| 11:40.34 | caphuso | martin2: are you the older one? |
| 11:40.45 | dad | oops |
| 11:40.48 | martin2 | caphuso, yeah, 18 months |
| 11:41.02 | Guerin | my brother's lazy, but he's not an idiot |
| 11:41.11 | genix_ | Guerin: How can I copy a dir but exclude one of the subdir, ex: cp -a /test/ -/test/notthisdir/ ? |
| 11:41.29 | caphuso | martin2: well, then you might actually be right about him being wrong :-) |
| 11:41.36 | martin2 | mine always pulls some dumb excuse from his arse when he has to do something, he's lazy too. |
| 11:41.46 | shingouz | genix_: tar with an exclude pattern? |
| 11:41.58 | martin2 | caphuso, hehe, older and wiser :) |
| 11:42.05 | iostream | Guerin: Thanks alot. Works like a charm :) |
| 11:42.19 | genix_ | shingouz: yes |
| 11:42.21 | Guerin | genix_: you could use ls or find, grep and xargs, but an exclude pattern with rsync would be my choice |
| 11:42.26 | Guerin | iostream: :) |
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| 11:43.13 | Patrick` | bastard bastard bastard xtemr |
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| 11:43.36 | genix_ | shingouz: can you give me an example of tar with an exclude pattern? |
| 11:43.53 | shingouz | genix_: man tar, it is all there |
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| 11:44.21 | dad | Guerin: is there some way i can manipulate the upgrade list manually? aptitude still wants to install fgfs-base, even when it's un-installed, and nothing else uses it |
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| 11:44.31 | martin2 | ls | grep -v <dir> | xargs -n1 cp -pr $1 <dest> |
| 11:44.49 | dad | Guerin: it's just plane wierd |
| 11:45.04 | Guerin | dad: try purging aptitude and reinstalling it |
| 11:45.10 | Guerin | that worked for my problem just now |
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| 11:45.38 | martin2 | anyone know a good cvs like package for maintaining a php project then? |
| 11:45.39 | Guerin | the key with aptitude is to start using it, and stick with it. if you go back to apt-get, it'll get stupid and fuck things up |
| 11:45.46 | Guerin | martin2: how about cvs? |
| 11:45.53 | caphuso | martin2: try darcs |
| 11:45.53 | Guerin | (just an idea) |
| 11:46.01 | abrotman | or just stick with apt-get like a normal person |
| 11:46.08 | martin2 | Guerin, cvs is bit much for what i need.. i'll checkout darcs |
| 11:46.23 | dad | Guerin: ??? |
| 11:46.28 | martin2 | caphuso, ta |
| 11:46.43 | abrotman | how is cvs too much and darcs just right ? |
| 11:46.46 | kundalini | there are one option for amule, in mode text ? or anoter peer to peer? |
| 11:47.08 | caphuso | abrotman: that's one of humanity's final mysteries |
| 11:47.24 | martin2 | abrotman, i don't know, i have never used either in anger |
| 11:47.33 | iostream | martin2: If you end up considering CVS you might aswell consider subversion. |
| 11:47.36 | Guerin | dad: aptitude has trouble co-operating with apt-get. if you start using aptitude, continue with it. So, since you've been using apt-*, it might be freaking out when you try to upgrade. A purge and reinstall might fix that. |
| 11:47.53 | abrotman | caphuso: that and why there aren't more diesel cars |
| 11:48.05 | martin2 | iostream, i considered subversion, i'd like mod_dav, but it's a bugger to get going :/ |
| 11:48.19 | iostream | martin2: :/ |
| 11:48.24 | abrotman | rcs! |
| 11:48.28 | Patrick` | how can I log whenever anything acceess a particular file? |
| 11:48.32 | Patrick` | it's not really googlable |
| 11:48.40 | martin2 | tripwire |
| 11:48.40 | Guerin | Patrick`: dnotify |
| 11:48.44 | Patrick` | ta |
| 11:48.54 | Patrick` | now which one doesn't depend on all of KDE/gnome |
| 11:49.34 | abrotman | make it only accessible by root/sudo ? |
| 11:49.51 | Patrick` | nah, it's used by X, or it's supposed to |
| 11:50.14 | Patrick` | I have the lines in my x resources file and xterm refuses to view them, so clearly something's brainf*cked |
| 11:50.33 | abrotman | in which file ? |
| 11:50.38 | abrotman | did you not read the man pages ? |
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| 11:50.58 | abrotman | Guerin: look what i found last night :) |
| 11:51.01 | abrotman | !sing rtfm |
| 11:51.02 | dpkg | Lay down the boogie and Read That Funky Manual or you die. |
| 11:51.11 | shingouz | wooo |
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| 11:51.40 | Patrick` | yes I did, and there's no manual for .Xresources |
| 11:51.49 | abrotman | what are you trying to do with it ? |
| 11:52.00 | dad | Guerin: thanks for the info - i'll see if it helps |
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| 11:52.11 | Patrick` | every terminal apart from xterm translates alt-keypress into esc+keypress |
| 11:52.15 | caphuso | Patrick`: xterm doesn't read ~/.Xresources. you have to xrdb -merge it to make any effect |
| 11:52.29 | caphuso | Patrick`: so change xterm's setting for that |
| 11:52.43 | Patrick` | caphuso: it says to change the settings in an X resources file |
| 11:52.45 | abrotman | Patrick`: did you read the man page? :) |
| 11:52.50 | caphuso | Patrick`: yes. do that |
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| 11:52.55 | dad | Guerin: will purge delete all the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives? that i've been downloadeing for like 2 weeks? |
| 11:52.57 | Patrick` | caphuso: I'm TRYING |
| 11:53.04 | abrotman | there is no try |
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| 11:53.08 | Patrick` | Bah. |
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| 11:53.28 | abrotman | you hit yourself in the stomach ? |
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| 11:53.34 | Patrick` | stupid tab |
| 11:53.43 | Guerin | dad: no way |
| 11:53.52 | Guerin | dad: only aptitude |
| 11:54.28 | caphuso | Patrick`: echo XTerm.VT100.metaSendsEscape: true >> ~/.Xresources && xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources |
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| 11:54.32 | dad | Guerin: thanks |
| 11:54.40 | abrotman | Patrick`: i've found that every damn terminal program for X acts differently wrt . and config files |
| 11:55.04 | caphuso | start a new xterm, fire up irssi, try meta+<num> key combos, go away enlightened |
| 11:55.16 | Patrick` | aha, that extra line was what I needed |
| 11:55.35 | genix_ | This ain't working for me, how should I correct it?: tar czf --exclude /work/www/private/ x.tar.gz /work/www/ |
| 11:55.35 | Patrick` | i was using eightbitinput and metasendsescape |
| 11:55.54 | Patrick` | Caesar: nope, still not enlightened |
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| 11:56.23 | Patrick` | caphuso: even |
| 11:56.23 | abrotman | caphuso: ^ |
| 11:56.25 | Patrick` | Caesar: sorry |
| 11:56.31 | abrotman | Patrick`: you need a new irc client :) |
| 11:56.37 | Patrick` | Eh |
| 11:56.42 | dad | abrotman: and you wanted...??? |
| 11:56.44 | Patrick` | I need a new tab key |
| 11:56.51 | abrotman | dad: my allowance ? |
| 11:56.51 | caphuso | Patrick`: open a new xterm, type <ctrl-v><alt-1> |
| 11:57.00 | caphuso | Patrick`: what shows up? |
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| 11:57.01 | genix_ | Why is this not working: tar czf --exclude /work/www/private/ x.tar.gz /work/www/ ? |
| 11:57.07 | Patrick` | it prints "1" |
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| 11:57.12 | abrotman | dad: wanted what for what ? |
| 11:57.16 | davi | What must I use to update both MBR of my RAID1 ? grub-install ? |
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| 11:57.51 | Patrick` | "esc, 123" causes (arg: 123) to appear in the top-left, like alt used to |
| 11:58.06 | dad | abrotman: sorry, yer sister tapped me out - and tha car, it's being used by your brother this weekend |
| 11:58.12 | caphuso | Patrick`: in the control-leftclick menu, is the "meta sends escape" entry checked? |
| 11:58.28 | Patrick` | ues |
| 11:58.34 | abrotman | dad: ok |
| 11:58.53 | Patrick` | *yes |
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| 11:59.36 | dad | abrotman: sorry, i thought you were complaining about xterminals acting differently |
| 11:59.43 | caphuso | Patrick`: do you still get the (arg: 123) stuff when doing alt-1 alt-2 alt-3? |
| 11:59.49 | Patrick` | nope |
| 11:59.51 | abrotman | dad: they do |
| 11:59.56 | Patrick` | well, I do on every terminal apart from xterm |
| 12:00.01 | dad | when that's to be expected, normal |
| 12:00.07 | abrotman | i htink i said that :) |
| 12:00.07 | dad | agreed |
| 12:00.16 | suki | why cant i apt-get install nslookup |
| 12:00.29 | Patrick` | suki: it has a different name, I guess |
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| 12:00.40 | suki | any idea what name |
| 12:00.45 | suki | cant seem to get nslookup or dig |
| 12:00.45 | Patrick` | "apt-get install host" |
| 12:00.48 | caphuso | Patrick`: do you have those windows keys? |
| 12:00.51 | Patrick` | hmm |
| 12:00.52 | supaman | suki: try apt-cache search nslookup |
| 12:00.53 | Patrick` | actually |
| 12:01.02 | abrotman | !tell suki about search |
| 12:01.08 | shingouz | suki: i might be wrong but dnsutils? |
| 12:01.08 | dad | abrotman: it's like every browser renderts differently, so the user gets a different look/feel to the same web-app |
| 12:01.20 | suki | its not host |
| 12:01.20 | Patrick` | caphuso: yeah, but they don't do anything |
| 12:01.26 | abrotman | dad: that's fine ... but they all read different config files :) |
| 12:01.39 | Patrick` | dnsutils I think |
| 12:02.05 | suki | yup |
| 12:02.09 | suki | dnsutils worked fine |
| 12:02.12 | caphuso | Patrick`: could it be that your left windows key is meta? what happens if you use it instead of alt in alt-1 alt-2 alt-3? |
| 12:02.15 | suki | thanks guys, really appreciate it :) |
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| 12:02.39 | Patrick` | caphuso: they don't do anything |
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| 12:03.09 | Patrick` | this is rather vexing |
| 12:03.45 | caphuso | Patrick`: try disabling the eightBitInput and eightBitControl resources |
| 12:04.18 | caphuso | (i.e. set them to false) |
| 12:04.22 | Patrick` | so only have XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true is my resources file? |
| 12:04.34 | Patrick` | I did have eightbitcontrol set to false already |
| 12:05.01 | genix_ | caphuso: Do you know how to fix this: tar czf x.tar.gz /work/www/ --exclude=/work/www/private/ |
| 12:05.05 | caphuso | Patrick`: no, set them to false. otherwise they won't be changed if you xrdb -merge the file |
| 12:05.13 | Patrick` | k |
| 12:05.17 | Patrick` | set, merged, no change |
| 12:05.32 | caphuso | Patrick`: and this is with freshly opened xterms? |
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| 12:05.45 | genix_ | caphuso: this works, but not the first one that I pasted: tar czf x.tar.gz /work/www/ --exclude=/work/www/favicon.ico |
| 12:05.58 | [Timmeh] | if i install the mysql pakage what would the defualt mysql path be? |
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| 12:06.20 | Patrick` | I'm missing something obvious |
| 12:06.28 | genix_ | [Timmeh]: /var/lib/mysql for MySQL data |
| 12:06.29 | caphuso | genix_: uhm, how exactly am i supposed to know what "work" and "don't work" mean in your specific case? |
| 12:06.33 | Guerin | genix_: drop the / on the end of private |
| 12:06.36 | [Timmeh] | thnx |
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| 12:07.24 | genix_ | Guerin: there we are, why? private is a dir |
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| 12:07.29 | abrotman | [Timmeh]: should be in your path .. which mysql-package did you install ? |
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| 12:07.54 | abrotman | [Timmeh]: there is mysql-server, -common, -client |
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| 12:08.03 | [Timmeh] | >.> im doing ./configure --with-mysql=/var/lib/mysql and it says checking for mysql... not found |
| 12:08.05 | Guerin | genix_: it's documented in the manpage |
| 12:08.09 | IDC-_- | hmm |
| 12:08.10 | [Timmeh] | um i did apt-get isntall mysql-common |
| 12:08.17 | [Timmeh] | meh server |
| 12:08.25 | [Timmeh] | apt-get isntall mysql-server |
| 12:08.27 | [Timmeh] | sorry |
| 12:08.32 | Guerin | !wayc [Timmeh] |
| 12:08.34 | dpkg | [Timmeh]: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 12:08.34 | abrotman | [Timmeh]: and you want the mysql-client eh ? :) |
| 12:08.38 | IDC-_- | I do not want to open port 113 to join freenode but i think i have to ? |
| 12:08.47 | Guerin | IDC-_-: no, you don't |
| 12:09.01 | Guerin | IDC-_-: it'll pause for a while if it can't ident, but it won't drop you |
| 12:09.01 | abrotman | [Timmeh]: yes .. and what are you trying to compile ? |
| 12:09.08 | IDC-_- | because so difficult to be established due to 'time out' after it tries to find my identd |
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| 12:09.10 | [Timmeh] | im compiling server files that need mysql |
| 12:09.17 | abrotman | sserver files ? |
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| 12:09.24 | [Timmeh] | for a online mmorpg |
| 12:09.28 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:09.33 | Guerin | [Timmeh]: you need mysql dev packages |
| 12:09.34 | IDC-_- | Guerin, but its time out,i tried 2 servers which the fastest to me |
| 12:09.43 | abrotman | apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client mysql-common mysql-dev .. i think |
| 12:09.46 | Guerin | IDC-_-: i get that sometimes too |
| 12:09.52 | IDC-_- | I see |
| 12:09.58 | [Timmeh] | k, i'll see |
| 12:10.12 | abrotman | [Timmeh]: nope .. that was way way wrong .. apt-cache search mysql dev |
| 12:10.56 | Patrick` | it could be that xterm specifically isn't sending an X |
| 12:11.26 | abrotman | i guess libmysqlclient##-dev |
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| 12:11.49 | K_Dallas | Morning guys! Would this upgrade only the package i have given: apt-get update foo1 foo2 foo3 ? |
| 12:12.00 | [Timmeh] | but look when it looks for them it can find it, i prob dont understand properly but is this what u mean by dev? |
| 12:12.01 | Guerin | K_Dallas: no. man apt-get |
| 12:12.04 | K_Dallas | (upgrade not update) |
| 12:12.05 | abrotman | K_Dallas: apt-get install package |
| 12:12.07 | [Timmeh] | Checking for libm... yes |
| 12:12.08 | K_Dallas | ok, thanks |
| 12:12.08 | [Timmeh] | Checking for zlib... 1.2.2 |
| 12:12.08 | [Timmeh] | Checking for libdl... yes |
| 12:12.20 | Guerin | [Timmeh]: to compile stuff, you need -dev packages. It means 'development' |
| 12:12.22 | abrotman | !u |
| 12:12.22 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:12.27 | K_Dallas | i thought there would be away to upgrade without reinstalling them but thanks |
| 12:12.35 | [Timmeh] | k |
| 12:12.35 | abrotman | K_Dallas: apt-get install package |
| 12:12.48 | Patrick` | maybe xterm has a wrong idea of what escape characters are |
| 12:12.48 | K_Dallas | yes i got that :) |
| 12:12.49 | Patrick` | or meta |
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| 12:13.20 | jim | Damnit abrotman! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 12:13.36 | Patrick` | k -> ok |
| 12:13.41 | jim | I need to figure out how to make that automatic |
| 12:13.46 | [Timmeh] | ok when i cache search i get about 30 diffrent pakages |
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| 12:13.52 | abrotman | jim: i know |
| 12:14.14 | Guerin | jim: /nick j1m |
| 12:14.22 | jim | no thanks :) |
| 12:14.23 | Patrick` | [Timmeh]: try apt-get build-dep <packagename> |
| 12:14.30 | Patrick` | it'll install everything you need to compile it |
| 12:14.39 | Guerin | Patrick`: i don't think he's compiling stuff that's in debian |
| 12:14.43 | Patrick` | ah. |
| 12:14.43 | jim | Guerin: make the bots say j1m |
| 12:14.46 | Patrick` | sorry |
| 12:14.53 | [Timmeh] | http://authors.aspalliance.com/aylar/ViewPasteCode.aspx?PasteCodeID=4263 |
| 12:14.54 | Guerin | jim: not gonna happen. |
| 12:14.58 | [Timmeh] | are the diffrent pakages |
| 12:15.00 | jim | wellthen... |
| 12:15.11 | jim | I gotta figure out how to make that automatic. |
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| 12:15.23 | Guerin | jim: good luck with not getting banned. |
| 12:15.34 | jim | thanks :) |
| 12:15.53 | jim | I don't help here anyway, so what use am I to you? |
| 12:15.59 | [Timmeh] | http://authors.aspalliance.com/aylar/ViewPasteCode.aspx?PasteCodeID=4264 is my compiling error |
| 12:16.13 | Guerin | jim: good point. |
| 12:16.23 | Patrick` | caphuso: I'll just switch over to rxvt, it's not worth the headaches |
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| 12:16.35 | Bitloid | hello |
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| 12:19.47 | abrotman | [Timmeh]: i said to try one of the libmysqlclient... files |
| 12:19.49 | abrotman | err packages |
| 12:19.58 | abrotman | [Timmeh]: and it will end in -dev |
| 12:20.14 | Patrick` | I just installed rxvt but x-terminal-emulator is still launching xterms |
| 12:20.15 | [Timmeh] | ok will do ^^ sorry i think i missed taht |
| 12:20.29 | Patrick` | how to fix? I can't remove xterm |
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| 12:21.38 | [Timmeh] | awsome thnx heaps |
| 12:21.41 | [Timmeh] | taht worked ^^ |
| 12:21.57 | Guerin | Patrick`: man update-alternatives |
| 12:22.09 | Patrick` | xteesh, I was afraid of that |
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| 12:23.54 | Guerin | update-alternatives --configure x-terminal-emulator |
| 12:24.06 | Guerin | can i have my silver platter back when you're finished? |
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| 12:24.55 | schrankwand | can I play Musics-CDs with beep-media-player or only music-files? |
| 12:24.56 | Patrick` | oh, oopsie |
| 12:25.00 | Patrick` | I didn't see --configure |
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| 12:25.13 | Patrick` | I thought I was going to have to f*ck about with symlinks and priorities |
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| 12:25.36 | Guerin | schrankwand: should be able to. Don't ask me how. |
| 12:25.39 | SiliconViper | Awesome! 0 bytes free! |
| 12:25.53 | schrankwand | does anyone now how, maxbe? |
| 12:25.59 | SiliconViper | 138mb freed. :D |
| 12:26.11 | Guerin | SiliconViper: but how will you edit files now? |
| 12:26.13 | SiliconViper | Wow.... that's actually a lot more than I expected. |
| 12:26.20 | SiliconViper | Guerin, with vim.... :( |
| 12:26.22 | schrankwand | s/maxbe/mybe/ |
| 12:26.26 | schrankwand | +a |
| 12:26.30 | SiliconViper | Guerin, or nano! |
| 12:27.05 | SiliconViper | Sadly, I will miss getting defeated by my text editor at chess.... :( |
| 12:27.09 | niccus | zile same short cuts ;-) |
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| 12:27.45 | Guerin | SiliconViper: you poor bastard |
| 12:27.51 | Patrick` | yay for rxvt, the scrollbar looks like ass and pageup/down keys don't work :/ |
| 12:27.56 | SiliconViper | Guerin, I know! It's tragic! |
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| 12:28.15 | Patrick` | stupid different paradigms mumble mumble |
| 12:28.29 | SiliconViper | Patrick`, I hear aterm is kinda nice. |
| 12:28.40 | Patrick` | yeah, no unicode tho |
| 12:29.02 | Patrick` | aah, gtk 1.0 |
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| 12:29.10 | Patrick` | otherwise known as "apt-get install TOTAL AND UTTER ASS" |
| 12:29.25 | SiliconViper | gnome-terminal does UTF-8, doesn't it? |
| 12:29.38 | SiliconViper | Hmm? E16, or GTK? |
| 12:29.59 | Patrick` | it has a lot of dependancies |
| 12:30.03 | Patrick` | I just assume it's gtk |
| 12:30.05 | Patrick` | it looks ass |
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| 12:30.20 | SiliconViper | ! deps enlightenment |
| 12:30.23 | SiliconViper | !deps enlightenment |
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| 12:30.35 | SiliconViper | ... I know there's some command like that.... |
| 12:30.54 | streuner | SiliconViper: /msg dpkg depends package |
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| 12:31.01 | SiliconViper | :D |
| 12:31.35 | SiliconViper | Yeah, just as I thought. no GTK dependancies. |
| 12:31.39 | DoktorTomoe | Has anyone in here experience for using the scanner part of an epson multi function system? It does print, but it does not appear in sane (althought I *do* use Kernel 2.6.8) |
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| 12:31.54 | DoktorTomoe | (I am using Debian Sid) |
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| 12:32.57 | Patrick` | how sublime, gtk-theme-switch doesn't switch gtk themes |
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| 12:33.12 | Guerin | Patrick`: switch or switch2 |
| 12:33.20 | Guerin | jeez geez |
| 12:33.43 | [Timmeh] | awsome i got everything working thanx for your help |
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| 12:34.15 | mikeX | which package should I file a bug against for badly rendered fonts in gtk/gnome applications? It doesn't occur in kde apps (for the same fonts) |
| 12:34.23 | mikeX | sarge |
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| 12:35.53 | Guerin | mikeX: good question. |
| 12:35.58 | mikeX | in any case does that make any sense? shouldn't fonts be rendered the same way regardles of gui toolkit? |
| 12:35.59 | Guerin | !info gnome-font-manager |
| 12:36.05 | Guerin | grr |
| 12:36.17 | Guerin | they should be, but often aren't |
| 12:36.42 | Guerin | !find gnome-font-manager |
| 12:36.51 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gnome-font-manager' returned no results. |
| 12:37.18 | abrotman | it's calle dosmeting else |
| 12:37.34 | abrotman | !find bin/gnome-font- |
| 12:37.39 | abrotman | err |
| 12:37.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/gnome-font-' (2): (/usr/bin/gnome-font-install) in libs/libgnomeprint-bin ;; (/usr/bin/{gnome-font-properties|gnome-font-viewer}) in gnome/capplets. |
| 12:37.41 | abrotman | !find bin/gnome-font- sarge |
| 12:37.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/gnome-font-' (2): (/usr/bin/gnome-font-install) in libs/libgnomeprint-bin ;; (/usr/bin/{gnome-font-properties|gnome-font-viewer}) in gnome/capplets. |
| 12:38.15 | Guerin | my guess would be libgtk2.0-common |
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| 12:38.19 | abrotman | you want the second i guess |
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| 12:39.22 | abrotman | mikeX: i think that's been noted .. and no .. i don't know which package .. you can ask #debian-kde . but i'm sure they'll tell you it's not htier fault |
| 12:39.38 | Guerin | itym #debian-gnome |
| 12:39.42 | Guerin | on irc.gnome.org |
| 12:39.56 | mikeX | ok thanks guys |
| 12:40.12 | abrotman | Guerin: i think it's more a kde problem :) |
| 12:40.19 | Guerin | eh? |
| 12:40.24 | mikeX | abrotman, well the problem is in gtk |
| 12:40.25 | abrotman | Guerin: the easy way to see is to start gnome . see if ti works :) |
| 12:40.33 | Guerin | because kde displays them right, but gtk doesn't |
| 12:40.37 | mikeX | yes |
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| 12:40.49 | abrotman | because kde doesn't start the right font thingie ? :) |
| 12:40.59 | abrotman | i'm sure if he started gnome . the fonts would be fine |
| 12:41.07 | mikeX | i get a strong or italic 'p' (the greek equivelant actually) or 'm' with freefont |
| 12:41.14 | mikeX | abrotman, nope |
| 12:41.21 | abrotman | nope ? |
| 12:41.27 | abrotman | did you install gnome ? |
| 12:41.32 | mikeX | yes |
| 12:41.37 | abrotman | how ? |
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| 12:41.51 | abrotman | apt-get install gnome ? |
| 12:41.54 | mikeX | hmm, some metapackage i think |
| 12:41.57 | mikeX | hard to track now |
| 12:42.07 | abrotman | dpkg -l gnome |
| 12:42.07 | dpkg | No packages found matching gnome |
| 12:42.11 | abrotman | it's either installed or not |
| 12:42.16 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 12:42.16 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 12:42.32 | mikeX | abrotman, oh i see what you mean |
| 12:42.39 | mikeX | un gnome |
| 12:42.52 | abrotman | mikeX: and x-window-system ? |
| 12:43.03 | abrotman | just in case there's some wacky xfs thingie in htere |
| 12:43.04 | abrotman | there |
| 12:43.17 | mikeX | I had -core |
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| 12:43.52 | mikeX | both gnome-core and x-window-system-core |
| 12:43.55 | Patrick` | Bah |
| 12:44.03 | abrotman | hum bug |
| 12:44.05 | Patrick` | I'm this close to installing ubuntu |
| 12:44.21 | Patrick` | but then, Eh, I never intended this machine to run an xserver in the first place |
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| 12:50.31 | [Timmeh] | sorry can someone please explain permissions to me? |
| 12:50.31 | resiak | !tell me -about ep |
| 12:50.37 | [Timmeh] | how to cahgne directory permissions etc |
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| 12:50.49 | Patrick` | [Timmeh]: chmod |
| 12:50.51 | [Timmeh] | !tell me -about ep |
| 12:50.52 | Patrick` | and chown |
| 12:50.53 | bob2 | you use chmod |
| 12:51.04 | [Timmeh] | yeah how do u know the values? |
| 12:51.28 | bob2 | you decide what you want to do |
| 12:51.32 | bob2 | then you convert them |
| 12:51.40 | Guerin | [Timmeh]: read info coreutils chown |
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| 12:51.46 | bob2 | if you want the user to be able to read it, then u+r |
| 12:51.59 | bob2 | bleh, my battery is fucked |
| 12:52.04 | bob2 | down from 5 hours to 3.5 |
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| 12:52.19 | [Timmeh] | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.35 | Patrick` | [Timmeh]: man chown |
| 12:52.36 | bob2 | you run the command 'info coreutils chown', then read it |
| 12:52.52 | abrotman | bob2: battery recall! |
| 12:52.58 | [Timmeh] | thnx |
| 12:53.00 | Patrick` | info is a version of man so hideously deformed it makes women spontaneusly abort. |
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| 12:53.14 | bob2 | abrotman: haha, this is an ibm laptop, not my ibook |
| 12:53.19 | Patrick` | not that I want to flame, or anything |
| 12:53.22 | [Timmeh] | can u cahnge a whole directorys permission? or only a file at a time |
| 12:53.24 | bob2 | info is intended to be something entirely different to man |
| 12:53.27 | abrotman | bob2: my TP battery is still doing well |
| 12:53.29 | bob2 | [Timmeh]: man chmod, -R |
| 12:54.27 | Patrick` | bob2: the best of intentions killed all the jedi! |
| 12:54.36 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 12:54.45 | [Timmeh] | can u change a whole directorys permission? |
| 12:54.52 | sph_ | any ideas: if i reboot my debian/sarge with ctrl+alt+del everything is fine, if i reboot with the reboot-cmd there are errors at boot time saying "read only filesystem..." and nothing works |
| 12:54.54 | bob2 | to thunderous applause, liberty dies! |
| 12:54.58 | bob2 | [Timmeh]: yes, of course you can |
| 12:54.59 | dimitri | I want to play each song from a directory, I manage to play each song one after the other but once the song is finished it stops how can I delayed commands so that once one song is finished it plays the next one automatically ? |
| 12:55.07 | bob2 | [Timmeh]: as I said, read the chown man page, particularily the -R option |
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| 12:55.24 | [Timmeh] | ^^ |
| 12:55.44 | bob2 | dimitri: find /music/ -type f | xargs mpg321 |
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| 12:56.47 | darkk | hmm ... i found i have to patch the kernel, bah |
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| 12:57.50 | [Timmeh] | possible to login to winscp with super user? |
| 12:58.58 | darkk | [Timmeh]: depends on ssh server configuration |
| 12:59.26 | [Timmeh] | cuz normaly in putty i can use the command su - and imput password |
| 12:59.41 | bob2 | why do you want to copy files as root? |
| 12:59.54 | [Timmeh] | want to change there permission |
| 13:00.04 | [Timmeh] | winscp i can get it done alot faster |
| 13:00.08 | darkk | lol |
| 13:00.21 | darkk | find and xargs are your friends tbh :P |
| 13:00.34 | [Timmeh] | ^^ |
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| 13:01.29 | [Timmeh] | *feels its gonna be a late night* |
| 13:01.32 | bob2 | [Timmeh]: why don't you tell us what you're trying to do? |
| 13:01.41 | abrotman | run a game server |
| 13:01.48 | toresbe | Hmm |
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| 13:01.54 | bob2 | oh lord |
| 13:01.58 | [Timmeh] | lol |
| 13:02.00 | bob2 | it's always "run a CS server", isn't it |
| 13:02.04 | darkk | heh |
| 13:02.04 | [Timmeh] | nope |
| 13:02.11 | [Timmeh] | www.faithro.com |
| 13:02.51 | darkk | kind of browser game or so? |
| 13:02.54 | [Timmeh] | um its a ragnarok server, been messing with |
| 13:02.56 | bob2 | [Timmeh]: so, why are you trying to change the permissions of a lot of files? |
| 13:03.00 | [Timmeh] | cuz |
| 13:03.04 | [Timmeh] | i was using a txt version |
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| 13:03.07 | [Timmeh] | so all the batabase |
| 13:03.19 | [Timmeh] | was saved in txt what is really like difficult to work with |
| 13:03.32 | [Timmeh] | so i've changed it all to mysql but i used wget in su/root |
| 13:03.44 | [Timmeh] | soo the permission of my mysql version of the server files |
| 13:03.50 | [Timmeh] | all have stuffed up permission |
| 13:03.57 | bob2 | "server files"? |
| 13:04.03 | [Timmeh] | to host the game |
| 13:04.06 | toresbe | I've got a DeskJet printer, which most likely was powered off while CUPS was streaming data to it. When I power it on it prints junk, of course - but I've cancelled the job in CUPS. I presume the data still lies in a kernel-level parport buffer - is there any way to clear that buffer? |
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| 13:04.39 | bob2 | [Timmeh]: ok, no one here has ever heard of this game, you need to be *way* more specific |
| 13:04.41 | [Timmeh] | server files im using--> www.ro-freya.com |
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| 13:04.43 | trygvebw | Hi |
| 13:04.48 | bob2 | what are the files you need to change, and to what user? |
| 13:04.55 | darkk | [Timmeh]: erm so you touched the files in /var/lib/mysql or summit? |
| 13:05.34 | [Timmeh] | all i need to do is change these txt files permission so i can edit them with my ssh user what isnt root |
| 13:05.57 | trygvebw | I did a fsck.reiserfs --rebuild-tree on a Linux partitions, and now most files and directories have been moved to /lost+found. Is there anyway i can recover them? I'm talking about 10.000 or so files and directories... |
| 13:06.01 | trygvebw | *partition |
| 13:06.02 | bob2 | what is it about IRC that makes people forget everything they learnt in school? |
| 13:06.13 | bob2 | trygvebw: you need to dig through them by hand |
| 13:06.16 | dimitri | how can I exclude white space on a xargs command ? |
| 13:06.23 | trygvebw | bob2, :/ are you 100% sure? |
| 13:06.25 | bob2 | [Timmeh]: so, you didn't actually answer my question |
| 13:06.40 | bob2 | dimitri: find ~/music/ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 mpg321 |
| 13:06.47 | darkk | dimitri: try to have \0 as separator and use xargs -0 |
| 13:06.48 | [Timmeh] | sorry |
| 13:06.59 | dimitri | bob2: your are king |
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| 13:07.02 | [Timmeh] | im jsut finding it difficult to explain |
| 13:07.29 | bob2 | [Timmeh]: so, what files (ie, what directory are they in?) do you need to change, and what user should own them? |
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| 13:07.36 | darkk | [Timmeh]: well .. if you want to do it batched, you have to find a criterium for selection |
| 13:07.41 | [Timmeh] | the files are a whole directory called conf (the game configuration files) that i need to be able to edit with the user called freya |
| 13:07.48 | bob2 | ok, easy |
| 13:07.55 | tuxipuxi | i'm in doubt and just want to have some more opinions.. do you see anything wrong in doing one big partition for / and not splitting /home off? |
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| 13:08.06 | londonboi | Hi guys, im trying to setup my firewire digi cam for the first time but i don't have a /dev/raw1394 modprobe dose not give any errors. any help would be cool |
| 13:08.12 | bob2 | as root: chown -R freya:freya conf ; chmod -R u+r conf |
| 13:08.22 | [Timmeh] | thnx |
| 13:08.22 | bob2 | [Timmeh]: make sure you are in the right directory when you run that |
| 13:08.28 | bob2 | or your whole machine will be utterly fucked |
| 13:08.55 | [Timmeh] | run it inside the directory? |
| 13:08.57 | portahex | nice phrasology |
| 13:09.01 | [Timmeh] | or in the perent directory |
| 13:09.11 | darkk | parent of that conf dir |
| 13:09.11 | bob2 | in the parent |
| 13:09.15 | [Timmeh] | k |
| 13:09.23 | oKtosiTe | My server shows that I've been logged in on tty1, for almost six weeks. Since my server does not have a keyboard or monitor at this point, how can I log myself off using ssh? |
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| 13:09.53 | darkk | oKtosiTe: you could simply kill the shell you've got on tty1 then |
| 13:10.39 | darkk | best option is to play psdoom tbh =) |
| 13:10.41 | [Timmeh] | awsome thnx bob ^^ |
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| 13:10.50 | [Timmeh] | and thnx darkk |
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| 13:12.02 | darkk | anyone know psdoom? |
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| 13:12.13 | IPLAMAN | hi 2 all |
| 13:12.23 | IPLAMAN | someone can help me? |
| 13:12.31 | trygvebw | why not? |
| 13:12.31 | darkk | depends :P |
| 13:12.33 | bob2 | you need to ask a question first |
| 13:12.36 | liquide | hmm.. i'm trying to install apache via apt, but i get an error on the end ; http://pastebin.com/287422 |
| 13:13.01 | trygvebw | liquide, looks like the apache2 package is corrupted... |
| 13:13.19 | trygvebw | sid? |
| 13:13.28 | IPLAMAN | i need to complie a file in cygwin how can i do it? |
| 13:13.41 | liquide | trygvebw testing |
| 13:13.44 | trygvebw | #cygwin |
| 13:13.46 | trygvebw | hm |
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| 13:13.54 | trygvebw | liquide, :/ |
| 13:13.57 | liquide | and its not apache 2.. its apache 1.3 |
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| 13:14.02 | trygvebw | ah |
| 13:14.07 | bob2 | IPLAMAN: this isn't a cygwin support channel, sorry |
| 13:14.19 | bob2 | !+find /usr/sbin/apache-modconf |
| 13:14.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/sbin/apache-modconf' returned no results. |
| 13:14.40 | IPLAMAN | yeh but the gcc thing working on all the dist... |
| 13:14.54 | bob2 | IPLAMAN: yes, but your question is going to involve window stupidity |
| 13:14.55 | trygvebw | IPLAMAN, i guess "gcc file.c" should be enough.... |
| 13:14.58 | bob2 | so go to #cygwin |
| 13:14.59 | darkk | lol |
| 13:15.02 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/apache-modconf |
| 13:15.14 | darkk | well, i don't understand the question anyway, i tried it earlier and it simply worked. |
| 13:15.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/apache-modconf' (1): (/usr/sbin/apache-modconf) in web/apache-common. |
| 13:15.31 | dondelelcaro | bob2: you have to strip off the leading / |
| 13:15.41 | IPLAMAN | ok thnx anyway |
| 13:15.42 | trygvebw | why isn't apache-common a dependency then? weird... |
| 13:15.43 | bob2 | ah |
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| 13:15.51 | dondelelcaro | trygvebw: uh, it is? |
| 13:15.58 | liquide | i dont want apache-common, i want the apache package :P |
| 13:16.03 | bob2 | my apache Depends on apache-common |
| 13:16.06 | dondelelcaro | trygvebw: and no, apache2 doesn't require apache-common. |
| 13:16.07 | trygvebw | dondelelcaro, doesn't look like it... liquide didn't get it when he installed apache |
| 13:16.12 | darkk | oh gawd i'm playing to much swg, trying /tell ... |
| 13:16.13 | bob2 | liquide: er, you know what apache-common is, right? |
| 13:16.21 | dondelelcaro | !depends apache2 |
| 13:16.23 | dpkg | apache2: depends on apache2-mpm-worker (= 2.0.54-4) | apache2-mpm-prefork (= 2.0.54-4) | apache2-mpm-perchild (= 2.0.54-4) |
| 13:16.29 | trygvebw | he isn't installing apache2... |
| 13:16.31 | dondelelcaro | !depends apache2-mpm-worker |
| 13:16.32 | dpkg | apache2-mpm-worker: depends on libapr0 (>= 2.0.54), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.7, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), apache2-common (= 2.0.54-4) |
| 13:16.33 | trygvebw | he is installing apache1! |
| 13:16.38 | dondelelcaro | !depends apache |
| 13:16.40 | dpkg | apache: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), mime-support, apache-common (>= 1.3.33-6), apache-common (<< 1.3.34-0), perl (>= 5.8.4-2), logrotate (>= 3.5.4-1), dpkg (>> 1.9.0), libmagic1, debconf |
| 13:16.44 | trygvebw | huh... |
| 13:16.46 | trygvebw | hm |
| 13:16.55 | dondelelcaro | trygvebw: see the apache-common (>= 1.3.33-6)? |
| 13:16.57 | trygvebw | yeah |
| 13:16.59 | darkk | apache2 is borked anyway. =) |
| 13:17.04 | trygvebw | but why didn't it get installed then? |
| 13:17.07 | trygvebw | darkk, why? |
| 13:17.44 | mikeX | abrotman, I installed x-window-system and gnome, restarted and got into gnome via gdm, no difference |
| 13:17.53 | mikeX | http://users.ntua.gr/el01707/pics/p_m_serif-gnome-kde.png |
| 13:18.00 | dondelelcaro | and furthermore, if apache2 is borked, why isn't there an RC bug filed against it? |
| 13:18.14 | liquide | after installing apache-common i get this when trying to install apache again; http://pastebin.com/287427 |
| 13:18.16 | darkk | well, i have to say that i never tried it myself. but a mate of mine said it's not too stable for production use, and he works for an ISP. rumors rumors lol |
| 13:18.33 | mikeX | serif in this case should be an alias to freeserif, but it demonstrates the problem better |
| 13:18.57 | trygvebw | !+find etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 13:19.06 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/apache/httpd.conf' returned no results. |
| 13:19.07 | trygvebw | hm |
| 13:19.10 | bob2 | liquide: show us the output of "dpkg -l apache-common | tail -n1" |
| 13:19.10 | dondelelcaro | liquide: so apt-get --reinstall install apache-common; |
| 13:19.36 | liquide | bob2 ii apache-common 1.3.33-4 support files for all Apache webservers |
| 13:21.31 | liquide | apache installed fine after a apache-common reinstall, thanks :;) |
| 13:21.45 | darkk | dondelelcaro: i was just randomly ranting about apache2, no need to take that serious :P |
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| 13:22.01 | jaibeee | hey room |
| 13:22.07 | dondelelcaro | !room |
| 13:22.07 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 13:22.37 | eps | sifn't be both |
| 13:22.47 | jaibeee | I need some help with installing debian 3 from my hard drive |
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| 13:22.57 | jaibeee | can anyone help me |
| 13:23.05 | DoktorTomoe | how do I add users to a group in debian on bash? |
| 13:23.17 | bob2 | sudo adduser user group |
| 13:23.30 | jaibeee | I need some help with installing debian 3 from my hard drive, can anyone help me |
| 13:23.41 | bob2 | jaibeee: you need to ask a useful question |
| 13:23.54 | bob2 | vague "can someone help me with <vague topic>" calls generally get ignored |
| 13:23.55 | Guerin | !d-i jaibeee |
| 13:23.56 | dpkg | jaibeee, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:24.02 | bob2 | since no one can guess how long it will take to help you |
| 13:24.05 | bob2 | or if you're helpable |
| 13:24.40 | jaibeee | ok |
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| 13:25.06 | jaibeee | I am going to take a look and see if it addresses my problem and then come back ok |
| 13:25.08 | HansKaiser | hello |
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| 13:26.01 | HansKaiser | I have upgraded my machine with an 3ware controller, now I cannot boot anymore my system |
| 13:26.06 | HansKaiser | any help? |
| 13:26.20 | revenger__ | any idea why xfree just drops the pipe key? |
| 13:26.38 | bob2 | HansKaiser: be more specific |
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| 13:26.47 | HansKaiser | have you the correct keymap? |
| 13:27.07 | bob2 | HansKaiser: does your bios not come up? does it fail? does grub? does the kernel fail to find /? |
| 13:27.09 | revenger__ | HansKaiser: think so.. |
| 13:27.11 | HansKaiser | bob2: i get a kernel panic, and the driver of my 3ware seems not to be loaded |
| 13:27.17 | pabs3 | when installing sarge via d-i, is there any way to skip some packages (like ppp) during base system installation? |
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| 13:27.31 | HansKaiser | revenger_: hmm which keymap do you use? |
| 13:27.34 | bob2 | HansKaiser: if you want to boot off a 3ware device, you need a kernel with that driver compiled in to it |
| 13:27.35 | jaibeee | ok bob, that site is killing me with links |
| 13:28.05 | bob2 | HansKaiser: or to put it in the initrd |
| 13:28.05 | revenger__ | HansKaiser: de-latin1-nodeadkeys |
| 13:28.05 | bob2 | jaibeee: you mean Guerin |
| 13:28.06 | jaibeee | can you assist me with just a few info |
| 13:28.06 | HansKaiser | bob2: I thought this is done by the initrd |
| 13:28.06 | bob2 | jaibeee: also, read it, it gives you direct links to the sarge images |
| 13:28.06 | bob2 | HansKaiser: not unless you put it in the initrd |
| 13:28.07 | bob2 | afaik |
| 13:28.20 | revenger__ | HansKaiser: got it! |
| 13:28.22 | HansKaiser | revenger_: kde, or gnome? |
| 13:28.41 | HansKaiser | revenger_: okay :-) nice that i could help :_) |
| 13:29.04 | revenger__ | HansKaiser: had a problem with fsck it wiped out a few system directories .. looks like /etc/X11 is also gone just wonder where xfree got a working xorg.conf file |
| 13:29.08 | HansKaiser | bob2: how can I put it in the initrd? |
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| 13:29.34 | jaibeee | kool |
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| 13:29.37 | HansKaiser | I cannot find any initrd.conf, to configure that I need the 3cxxx driver |
| 13:29.40 | bob2 | HansKaiser: I think you edit /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 13:29.47 | Putu_Pluto | hello! |
| 13:29.49 | bob2 | and rerun mkinitrd |
| 13:29.53 | bob2 | but I've never done this |
| 13:29.58 | HansKaiser | revernger_: thats really odd :-) |
| 13:30.08 | Putu_Pluto | can you speak spanish? |
| 13:30.22 | bob2 | no |
| 13:30.22 | HansKaiser | bob2: i will give it a try, just a moment |
| 13:30.24 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 13:30.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:30.43 | Putu_Pluto | yo uso el ubuntu linux |
| 13:30.51 | revenger__ | HansKaiser: just hoped that fsck could regain about 200 mb but I swear there's something wrong with ext3 I removed that file (which was under load) and it didn't free the space |
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| 13:31.32 | revenger__ | filehandle was still open and disk space still decreased until I turned the application off |
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| 13:31.49 | bob2 | right |
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| 13:32.35 | Putu_Pluto | wat is the best? the ubuntu linux or debian? (sorry for my but language inglish... xD) I can't speake inglish |
| 13:32.55 | HansKaiser | bob2: seems to be problematic, I have no access to the root server. How could i make the initrd via a chroot environment? |
| 13:33.02 | bob2 | Putu_Pluto: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
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| 13:33.19 | bob2 | you can't, really |
| 13:33.26 | Putu_Pluto | xD |
| 13:33.26 | bob2 | you need access to the real kernel and modules |
| 13:33.47 | HansKaiser | loaded kernel, or only the files? |
| 13:33.57 | bob2 | the files |
| 13:34.01 | Putu_Pluto | I'm 14years, i cant speake inglish, and i but in informatic |
| 13:34.03 | bob2 | why do you only have access to a chroot? |
| 13:34.09 | bob2 | Putu_Pluto: Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. |
| 13:34.16 | Putu_Pluto | okey |
| 13:34.35 | HansKaiser | bob2: okay that is not the problem, I have access to the files via the chroot environment of my rescuesystem |
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| 13:34.52 | bob2 | oh, ok |
| 13:34.56 | bob2 | then sure |
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| 13:35.06 | patad | !seen DerJamster |
| 13:35.09 | dpkg | derjamster <~versis@prag101.server4you.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 108d 15h 51m 57s ago, saying: 'Yay root.'. |
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| 13:36.24 | Putu_Pluto | wat is the best: the linux or the windows? xD |
| 13:36.36 | tarzeau | Putu_Pluto: the Hurd! |
| 13:36.42 | resiak | Putu_Pluto: BeOS! |
| 13:36.43 | Putu_Pluto | wat is hurd? |
| 13:36.46 | resiak | !hurd |
| 13:36.46 | dpkg | somebody said hurd was a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel. the core of the GNU system and available at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. #hurd-bunny the underground #hurd channel, or http://www.hurd-bunny.org |
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| 13:37.10 | Putu_Pluto | hey? |
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| 13:38.21 | RvGaTe | Is it possible to send an internal message to a user... when you are both connected using ssh ? |
| 13:39.05 | darkk | RvGaTe: talk should work |
| 13:39.37 | RvGaTe | not enabled by server admin.. |
| 13:39.51 | darkk | hmm |
| 13:40.11 | tarzeau | it is rainy |
| 13:40.14 | darkk | communicate via a file then =) |
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| 13:40.26 | j_k | http://www.hurd-bunny.org fails with an error 404, do we remove it from the factoid ? How can we do this ? |
| 13:40.26 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: it's fun to use one screen session (-x *hint*) |
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| 13:40.31 | RvGaTe | darkk: thats stupid.. lol |
| 13:40.41 | tarzeau | j_k: dpkg forget hurd, dpkg hurd is the thing without it |
| 13:40.43 | Gathond | RvGaTe: use email? |
| 13:40.47 | darkk | RvGaTe: agreed. =) |
| 13:40.58 | bob2 | dpkg, hurd =~ s,http://www.hurd-bunny.org,, |
| 13:40.58 | dpkg | OK, bob2 |
| 13:41.08 | bob2 | j_k: anyone can do that |
| 13:41.12 | bob2 | dpkg, huliganz |
| 13:41.14 | bob2 | dpkg, hurd |
| 13:41.14 | dpkg | somebody said hurd was a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel. the core of the GNU system and available at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. #hurd-bunny the underground #hurd channel, or |
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| 13:41.37 | bob2 | dpkg, hurd =~ s/, or$// |
| 13:41.38 | dpkg | bob2: that doesn't contain ', or$' |
| 13:41.38 | darkk | brb, switching computer. |
| 13:41.39 | darkk | =) |
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| 13:41.54 | tarzeau | bob2: #hurd-bunny isn't used anymore either |
| 13:42.01 | mwilson | Oh, goodie... another Knoppix user. |
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| 13:42.08 | tuxipuxi | ahh help |
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| 13:42.18 | tarzeau | mwilson: at least it's not UBUNTO |
| 13:42.21 | j_k | bob2: ok, good to know. |
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| 13:42.46 | tuxipuxi | i get thousands of "nv_sata: primary device added" "nv_sata: primary device removed" messages.. i remember one could set that off with printk, but i don't know the exact command |
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| 13:42.49 | resiak | tarzeau: I'm not sure which is worse. The Knoppix ones are at least obvious. |
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| 13:42.52 | Lord_Odd_Eye | lo all |
| 13:42.59 | bob2 | !+printk |
| 13:43.00 | dpkg | [printk console] see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 13:43.04 | bob2 | tuxipuxi: ^ |
| 13:43.08 | tarzeau | resiak: both are a nightmare |
| 13:43.08 | tuxipuxi | thanks bob2! |
| 13:43.29 | Lord_Odd_Eye | Are the `unstable' packages less secure than the `stable'. Or are they merely less stable. |
| 13:43.37 | tarzeau | Lord_Odd_Eye: neither |
| 13:43.42 | resiak | tarzeau: That's true, but the Knoppix people are more obviously non-Debian. |
| 13:43.46 | tarzeau | Lord_Odd_Eye: the difference is unstable are like 2-3 years newer |
| 13:43.47 | bob2 | well, both |
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| 13:43.54 | priest | is the project with debian on an BSD-kernel totaly dead? |
| 13:44.06 | tuxipuxi | bob2: do you know how to set kernel.printk with sysctl from the top of your head? |
| 13:44.12 | tarzeau | resiak: the others are non-Debian too, no difference really |
| 13:44.17 | tarzeau | priest: no |
| 13:44.19 | tarzeau | priest: #gnu-kbsd |
| 13:44.23 | simonrvn | sysctl -w kernel.printk="3 4 1 7" |
| 13:44.24 | tarzeau | priest: it works. surprisingly well |
| 13:44.28 | darkk | eek! |
| 13:44.28 | tuxipuxi | thanks simonrvn |
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| 13:44.46 | Lord_Odd_Eye | tarzeau: I don't understand that. Why not just rename stable and unstable to old and new respectively? |
| 13:44.47 | bob2 | hah, too fast for me |
| 13:44.50 | simonrvn | add sudo or whatever to the front of that |
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| 13:45.00 | tarzeau | Lord_Odd_Eye: what about testing? |
| 13:45.02 | priest | tarzeau: is there a webpage? |
| 13:45.05 | tarzeau | Lord_Odd_Eye: not-so-old-nor-new ? |
| 13:45.08 | tiCo | tarzeau: hi :) |
| 13:45.12 | tarzeau | priest: of course, see the /topic |
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| 13:45.16 | tarzeau | tiCo: sali |
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| 13:45.22 | tiCo | ;) |
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| 13:45.39 | resiak | tarzeau: I know, but the Knoppix people make that very obvious within seconds, whereas the Ubuntoy people are ... insiduous ): |
| 13:45.50 | simonrvn | i'm more of admin than coder. at least that seems to be my leanings |
| 13:45.53 | tarzeau | resiak: that's actually quite bad |
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| 13:46.10 | tarzeau | resiak: ubunto let people think they are debian too, whereas they are not |
| 13:46.13 | resiak | tarzeau: Exactly, which is why I think that the Ubuntoy people are probably worse. |
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| 13:46.35 | Lord_Odd_Eye | Is there any reason to use the `stable' packages over `unstable' then? |
| 13:46.36 | priest | tarzeau: is there not an port that is built on open or net, instead of freebsd? |
| 13:46.42 | resiak | !d-i Lord_Odd_Eye |
| 13:46.43 | dpkg | Lord_Odd_Eye, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:46.47 | resiak | Lord_Odd_Eye: Use testing. Don't use unstable. |
| 13:46.49 | simonrvn | such cynical bastards ;p |
| 13:46.51 | tarzeau | resiak: deluding |
| 13:46.58 | resiak | tarzeau: *nods* |
| 13:47.01 | alfatau | hi, i'm having an huge problem: every mail i send with mail are sent always to my user and not to the other. what can i do? |
| 13:47.10 | tarzeau | priest: there was some work on net, but it's just idling around these days |
| 13:47.14 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 13:47.15 | Lord_Odd_Eye | resiak: Ok thanks. |
| 13:47.17 | tarzeau | priest: please, tell me you were kidding about open |
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| 13:47.25 | caphuso | priest: the openbsd port was officially closed down due to its uselessness |
| 13:47.28 | tarzeau | priest: it's the open people that didn't want to co-operate |
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| 13:47.42 | simonrvn | "open"bsd IOW |
| 13:47.45 | tarzeau | alfatau: fix your mail |
| 13:47.47 | priest | tarzeau: why not? |
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| 13:47.50 | tarzeau | !iow |
| 13:47.50 | dpkg | methinks iow is In Other Words |
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| 13:48.03 | tarzeau | priest: because they are hilarious? |
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| 13:48.11 | priest | caphuso: why was it useless? |
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| 13:48.27 | tarzeau | priest: it's just a netbsd derivate |
| 13:48.31 | tarzeau | priest: like ubunto is to debian |
| 13:48.36 | caphuso | tarzeau: nonsense |
| 13:48.38 | tarzeau | a fork, actually |
| 13:48.44 | tarzeau | caphuso: it's not a fork of netbsd? |
| 13:49.01 | alfatau | tarzeau: thanks, but what have i to fix? i'm sending local mails, for example doing "mail root.... " mail is sent to me. can you help me?? |
| 13:49.02 | jaibeee | bob a question |
| 13:49.13 | tarzeau | alfatau: try ngrep port 25 and check your logs |
| 13:49.24 | tarzeau | alfatau: no, but greycat has an excellent text abou it |
| 13:49.24 | simonrvn | alfatau: is there something wrong with that? |
| 13:49.32 | caphuso | priest: because, uhm, it's inherently useless. you get no benefits and lose several things compared to free- and netbsd, so why bother? |
| 13:49.34 | tarzeau | !faq alfatau |
| 13:49.35 | priest | i thought openbsd was the best bsd of net/free/open? |
| 13:49.40 | tarzeau | i think it's linked up there, somewhere |
| 13:49.40 | dpkg | alfatau: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:49.40 | caphuso | tarzeau: it's just "just" a fork |
| 13:49.43 | tarzeau | priest: worst! |
| 13:49.50 | jaibeee | if I install directly from a different hard disk, can I remove it after the installatin without affecting the install |
| 13:49.56 | dimitri | bob2: again with my find /music/ -type f -print0| xargs -0 mpg123, it only read the last file of /music |
| 13:50.03 | tarzeau | jaibeee: if you do it right, yes |
| 13:50.06 | mwilson | For certain values of "best". |
| 13:50.32 | simonrvn | best corn dog, best fartfish, best ... |
| 13:50.36 | jaibeee | well, I have downloaded the files necessary to do the installation and I think I am ready |
| 13:50.52 | jaibeee | I am working from windows |
| 13:50.53 | priest | tarzeau: why do you think it's worst? |
| 13:51.06 | tarzeau | priest: it failed to netboot on me |
| 13:51.07 | darkk | jaibeee: eek! |
| 13:51.19 | jaibeee | do you have any tips on installing the debian 3 release before I continue |
| 13:51.20 | jaibeee | ? |
| 13:51.37 | alfatau | simonrvn: yes i want to send mail to other users not to me. |
| 13:51.40 | tarzeau | jaibeee: try !d-i |
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| 13:51.45 | tarzeau | jaibeee: you want 3.1 not 3.0 |
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| 13:51.59 | simonrvn | so edit your aliases |
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| 13:52.08 | priest | tarzeau: and that make it bad? :P |
| 13:52.17 | tarzeau | priest: worst. worst! |
| 13:52.30 | Ceksu | how do I setup traffic limits for shell users? |
| 13:52.36 | priest | i thought openbsd was pretty secure |
| 13:52.50 | tarzeau | priest: security doesn't make things better |
| 13:52.53 | resiak | priest: It's "secure" because they just turn everything off by default. |
| 13:53.02 | jaibeee | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.19 | darkk | ow 7? =) |
| 13:53.22 | tarzeau | priest: http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/article.php?thold=-1&mode=flat&order=1&sid=235#1538 |
| 13:53.24 | simonrvn | i would think that something netbooting on you would be rather painful, as one would think that the computer would have to bounce off your body, and those buggers can be heavy going at 50-70 km/h |
| 13:53.40 | tarzeau | jaibeee: you only need one. and you want 3.1 |
| 13:53.48 | jaibeee | ok |
| 13:54.02 | jaibeee | so download the install cd for 3.1 then |
| 13:54.04 | jaibeee | ? |
| 13:54.05 | priest | is there any readon at all to run BSD on large production servers instead of debian? |
| 13:54.07 | jaibeee | cd 1 |
| 13:54.07 | tarzeau | jaibeee: boot it |
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| 13:54.16 | tarzeau | !d-i |
| 13:54.16 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 13:54.32 | HazeFaze | hi!3 |
| 13:54.33 | jaibeee | what does !d-i do |
| 13:54.36 | tarzeau | priest: we use freebsd as nfs servers (file= |
| 13:54.40 | caphuso | priest: because you like it better |
| 13:54.49 | tarzeau | priest: file system (ufs) performs much better than ext2/3 |
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| 13:55.11 | tarzeau | jaibeee: summons up dragons |
| 13:55.15 | priest | tarzeau: what about raiserfs then? |
| 13:55.18 | jaibeee | lol |
| 13:55.26 | Guerin | !ricerfs |
| 13:55.26 | dpkg | it has been said that ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 13:55.28 | tarzeau | priest: reiser? come on, i'd rather put my data onto ntfs |
| 13:55.35 | tarzeau | Guerin: haha |
| 13:55.44 | priest | tarzeau: is reiser bad? |
| 13:55.50 | tarzeau | priest: no i didn't say that |
| 13:55.53 | HazeFaze | i built in a ISDN card, how can i figure out which device it is dedicated to? |
| 13:55.59 | tarzeau | priest: but !ricerfs got it pretty much to the point |
| 13:56.09 | tarzeau | priest: play with some file-filesystems |
| 13:56.19 | tarzeau | priest: you know dd and mkfs.reiserfs thefile.img ? |
| 13:56.22 | jaibeee | is it necessary to download the 3.1 cd 1 install disk |
| 13:56.22 | HazeFaze | because i want to set up a hylafax server |
| 13:56.24 | jaibeee | ? |
| 13:56.25 | tarzeau | !isdn |
| 13:56.25 | dpkg | i guess isdn is (Integrated Services Digital Network) This is a digital line that is often used to connect to the Internet. It generally come in two flavors: one is a 56 Kbps version, which in actuality only uses half of the ISDN line's bandwidth; the other is the 128 Kbps version, which uses both the 56 Kbps channels on the line. However, that's only 112 Kbps--the other 16 Kbps are an 8 Kbps back channel of each line., or at ... |
| 13:56.36 | jaibeee | !d-i |
| 13:56.36 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 13:56.37 | tarzeau | jaibeee: yes, can you not write a question in one line? |
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| 13:56.47 | tarzeau | HazeFaze: just do it then. what's your problem? |
| 13:56.51 | priest | tarzeau: i don't get your point with dd and mkfs.reiserfs? |
| 13:56.56 | gandy909 | probably a dumb question, but should a lot of the files in my /bin dir have the filedate of bootup time on them?... and at random times the console spits out a "eth0: setting promiscuous mode"? |
| 13:57.00 | tarzeau | priest: you can create a filesystem in a file |
| 13:57.10 | tarzeau | Guerin: no |
| 13:57.11 | jaibeee | kol |
| 13:57.13 | [Timmeh] | how to remove a directory with files in it? |
| 13:57.17 | jaibeee | ok |
| 13:57.18 | tarzeau | gandy909: are you running a sniffer? |
| 13:57.20 | [Timmeh] | rmdir says directory isnt empty |
| 13:57.24 | alfatau | tarzeau: my MTA (exim4) works, so i don't need a tutorial about what's a mail server: i think it's a default configuration setting for exim4 when installed because thought the system administrator never uses root's account to look at mails, but another one. Am i wrong? |
| 13:57.26 | tarzeau | gandy909: ids? |
| 13:57.37 | tarzeau | gandy909: what's your ip address of that machine? |
| 13:57.44 | tarzeau | [Timmeh]: -rf |
| 13:57.49 | [Timmeh] | thnx |
| 13:57.55 | HazeFaze | i want to set up the config, but the dialog asks me for the serial port but it is a PCI card |
| 13:58.05 | tarzeau | alfatau: you are right, look at /etc/aliases |
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| 13:58.16 | tarzeau | HazeFaze: do it manually |
| 13:58.38 | HazeFaze | but in the dmesg is nothing about the device |
| 13:59.02 | tarzeau | HazeFaze: try reading a howto on isdn and hylafax |
| 13:59.11 | HazeFaze | oke |
| 13:59.12 | gandy909 | tarzeau, nope, nope, just a stock 30r4. the startup scripts never end, either. I have ti kill them manually |
| 13:59.20 | gandy909 | ti=to |
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| 13:59.40 | Guerin | !aliensmite gandy909's box |
| 13:59.53 | ecidadania18 | oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 14:00.01 | tarzeau | gandy909: you run wu software? php? |
| 14:00.22 | alfatau | tarzeau: ok so if i send a mail to root it's redirected to me, but why, if i send a mail to another user, it's always redirected to me? there's no informations into /etc/aliases |
| 14:00.30 | gandy909 | wu? apache, php postgres |
| 14:00.46 | tarzeau | alfatau: i think your mail configuration is wrong, does it know about local users? |
| 14:00.51 | tarzeau | alfatau: what's your mail domain? |
| 14:01.00 | tarzeau | gandy909: which version of php? |
| 14:01.07 | gandy909 | I'm thinking rootkit'd but.... |
| 14:01.11 | gandy909 | sec |
| 14:01.17 | spiorf | it is normal that when I kill gnome-panel every program that has an icon in systray disappear? |
| 14:01.23 | alfatau | tarzeau: localhost.localdomain |
| 14:01.24 | tarzeau | spiorf: yes |
| 14:01.27 | tarzeau | alfatau: hahaha |
| 14:01.36 | tarzeau | you crack me up |
| 14:01.47 | spiorf | and this is not a bug? |
| 14:01.49 | tarzeau | Lancelot_: qolume: sorry :) |
| 14:01.57 | tarzeau | spiorf: of course it's one |
| 14:02.07 | alfatau | tarzeau: i have to send mail from a java web application to users |
| 14:02.10 | tarzeau | spiorf: do you ever believe gnome nor kde will have no bugs? |
| 14:02.21 | alfatau | alfatau: local users |
| 14:02.24 | tarzeau | spiorf: if you want i can tell you some fairy stories |
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| 14:02.41 | alfatau | alfatau: no need to send over internet. |
| 14:02.47 | spiorf | tarzeau, what? |
| 14:03.01 | tarzeau | spiorf: if you can't live with the bugs of gnome, remove it |
| 14:03.25 | resiak | spiorf: It's a bug in the applet code just about all gnomish code uses. |
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| 14:03.53 | gandy909 | well, now im hosed I had a billion exim cron jobs running so I uninstalled exim, and it took out apache and php with it |
| 14:03.56 | spiorf | so removing the applett solves the problem |
| 14:04.03 | alfatau | tarzeau: are u there? |
| 14:04.17 | tarzeau | alfatau: yes |
| 14:04.23 | tarzeau | spiorf: yes |
| 14:04.30 | resiak | gandy909: You must have an MTA installed... |
| 14:04.31 | tarzeau | spiorf: remoing gnome will get rid of all gnome problems |
| 14:04.47 | tarzeau | gandy909: all problems solved. nice ain't it? |
| 14:05.02 | spiorf | tarzeau, this could be a good solution |
| 14:05.03 | tarzeau | gandy909: now if you run ifconfig eth0 down , you'll also get rid of the hacker |
| 14:05.17 | gandy909 | resiak, ya, I figured that out, too late... :) |
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| 14:05.33 | m4lu7 | Oh, boy, i'm loving this new laptop. |
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| 14:05.57 | tarzeau | m4lu7: apple? |
| 14:06.04 | darkk | yay 1:0 |
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| 14:06.05 | darkk | lol |
| 14:06.16 | m4lu7 | 'cept sound. wonder if somebody wants to help me figure out sound. Stock debian 2.6.8-686-smp kernel, some kind of ATI AC97 soundcard. |
| 14:06.17 | gandy909 | tarzeau, ifconfig eth0 down generated the 'eth0 setting promiscuous mode' message |
| 14:06.51 | schrankwand | Is there a tool to check my sounddevice? but if i try to play a song with beep-media-player I can't hear something? |
| 14:06.56 | m4lu7 | i see all kinds of ac97 and snd* modules in lsmod, but alsamixergui, gnome-volume-control, etc, say roughly, "can't find a mixer device" |
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| 14:07.17 | borius | caphuso: hey man remember talking about eurohacker? |
| 14:07.44 | tarzeau | m4lu7: did you load your driver? |
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| 14:08.00 | m4lu7 | found a FAQ/Howto about this specific laptop, tailored more for Redhat than debian. I did what it said to do, save for the reboot, considering i'm in the middle of a 3pass mencoder rip, and idon't wanna reboot right now ;) |
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| 14:08.20 | m4lu7 | tarzeau, zeems that hotplug found my stuff, and modules, looks like the correct ones, were inserted |
| 14:08.21 | borius | caphuso: well there's a new issue out now |
| 14:08.27 | borius | caphuso: http://eurohacker.mine.nu/issue3/ |
| 14:08.28 | jaibeee | I am downloading the sarge disk and I am only getting 175Kb/s :( |
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| 14:09.10 | m4lu7 | this faq/howto mentioned someting about blacklisting the ati modem modules, but they weren't present in the loaded modules list anyway. |
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| 14:09.26 | m4lu7 | so i figured a reboot mightn't be necessary |
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| 14:11.04 | alfatau | hi, i've to send mails to other local users, but always delivered mails arrive to me. What can i do?? I'm running exim4 |
| 14:11.14 | dimitri | can someone explain me this, when you ssh to a box as a user there, you are then a console user there as if you where there, right ? |
| 14:11.35 | tarzeau | alfatau: stop using mail |
| 14:11.41 | shingouz | dimitri: yes |
| 14:11.47 | tarzeau | alfatau: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 14:12.14 | tarzeau | alfatau: 16:11 [gnu] -!- channels : #mandriva #fedora ##slackware #gentoo #ubuntu #exim #bash #debian |
| 14:12.16 | alfatau | tarzeau: not the solution. the solution is solving problem |
| 14:12.17 | asg | alfatau: 1) check your logs (/var/log/exim4). 2) reconfigure exim4 correctly (dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config) |
| 14:12.20 | tarzeau | alfatau: damn what do you have ? debian? |
| 14:12.32 | alfatau | tarzeau: debian |
| 14:12.37 | tarzeau | alfatau: i think you have UBUNTO! |
| 14:12.51 | m4lu7 | tarzeau, observe: http://pastebin.com/287449 |
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| 14:13.28 | resiak | alfatau: You're trying to send mail to root, aren't you? |
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| 14:13.34 | alfatau | tarzeau: what the difference having debian or something other? |
| 14:13.35 | tarzeau | m4lu7: i don't see a sound driver |
| 14:13.42 | alfatau | resiak: no, to other users |
| 14:13.48 | tarzeau | m4lu7: you got ALSA or OSS? kernel version? lspci says what soundcard you have? NVIDIA? |
| 14:13.53 | tarzeau | alfatau: a big one! |
| 14:13.57 | tarzeau | alfatau: now tell us the true |
| 14:13.58 | resiak | alfatau: Are you sure they're not aliased to you? Check /etc/aliases |
| 14:14.41 | m4lu7 | tarzeau, i dunno, then. |
| 14:14.41 | simonrvn | alfatau: the solution is what i said 15 minutes ago. |
| 14:14.47 | tarzeau | m4lu7: type lspci |
| 14:14.54 | m4lu7 | yeah. |
| 14:14.57 | tarzeau | m4lu7: and look if you find audio or sound somewhere, paste that line |
| 14:15.00 | simonrvn | actually, 20 |
| 14:15.00 | alfatau | resiak: yes. into /etc/aliases there's only postmaster-mailer info |
| 14:15.01 | m4lu7 | verboze, or no verboze? |
| 14:15.05 | tarzeau | m4lu7: just lspci |
| 14:15.06 | simonrvn | 09:52 simonrvn : so edit your aliases |
| 14:15.11 | tarzeau | m4lu7: verbooze |
| 14:15.22 | m4lu7 | 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller |
| 14:15.30 | m4lu7 | ok, that's not verboze, but i didn't wanna flood. |
| 14:15.31 | tarzeau | m4lu7: no other sound cards? |
| 14:15.40 | m4lu7 | czeching. |
| 14:15.47 | tarzeau | i think that's a video card, never heard ati can make something else |
| 14:15.50 | m4lu7 | Nope. |
| 14:16.03 | tarzeau | !nickometer m4lu7 |
| 14:16.03 | alfatau | simonrvn: aliases are not worng: no aliases for my user! |
| 14:16.04 | dpkg | 'm4lu7' is 66.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 14:16.11 | m4lu7 | I can confirm through a few websites about this laptop & linux, that is is the soundcard |
| 14:16.14 | simonrvn | uh, it *SAYS* audio controller |
| 14:16.19 | simonrvn | duh |
| 14:16.25 | tarzeau | m4lu7: then i don't know which is the driver for it |
| 14:16.37 | tarzeau | m4lu7: look Documentation/ for sound setup in kernel source |
| 14:16.39 | simonrvn | ac97codec shit |
| 14:16.49 | p2-mate_ | hi simonrvn |
| 14:16.53 | tarzeau | hi p2-mate_ |
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| 14:16.56 | simonrvn | hello |
| 14:17.08 | p2-mate_ | hi tarzeau |
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| 14:18.07 | tarzeau | can someone check if telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 works? |
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| 14:18.23 | jair_11 | guys how can I check if the ssh server is running? |
| 14:18.37 | jair_11 | it is a command call cat I think or grep too. |
| 14:18.39 | phanter | jair_11, log in |
| 14:18.42 | tarzeau | jair_11: telnet localhost 22 |
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| 14:18.46 | m4lu7 | tarzeau, the modules i pasted in pastebin correspond to the Alsa kernel drivers for this sound card; I know nothing about alsa, specifically: do i need any userspace utils to work this soundcard with the kernel modules present? |
| 14:18.46 | Guerin | tarzeau: 1 |
| 14:18.46 | asg | alfatau: use 'exim -bt <user>' and 'exim -d -bt <user>' to find out why all mail is being routed to your user. |
| 14:18.54 | tarzeau | Guerin: works? |
| 14:18.56 | Guerin | tarzeau: 1 |
| 14:18.59 | simonrvn | Trying 80.219.75.92... |
| 14:19.00 | simonrvn | Connected to 80-219-75-92.dclient.hispeed.ch. |
| 14:19.02 | jair_11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.11 | jair_11 | telnet? |
| 14:19.30 | jair_11 | phanter, I want to check if is running the protocol I assign |
| 14:19.32 | asg | jair_11: netstat -ntl |
| 14:19.33 | Guerin | telnet is the all-purpose is-there-something-listening tool |
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| 14:19.40 | jair_11 | asg, right :0 |
| 14:19.46 | phanter | tarzeau, I do not know why enybody uses telnet, but I seem to be logged in |
| 14:19.55 | alfatau | asg: using exim4... working thesame? |
| 14:20.02 | asg | jair_11: also, ssh -1, ssh -2, etc. (man ssh) |
| 14:20.09 | asg | alfatau: s/exim/exim4/ |
| 14:20.22 | simonrvn | uh, telnet is an excellent tool to test network stuff. i wouldn't recommend it for anything else, however |
| 14:20.39 | cyrax | How do I make an ssh tunnel that listens on a remote port and forwards it to a local one? Apparently when I use ssh -R remote:host:local server it only listens on localhost... |
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| 14:21.05 | Gathond | cyrax: there is an option to make it listen to connections from non localhost |
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| 14:21.28 | jair_11 | asg, but it is a command I think is cat |
| 14:21.36 | asg | jair_11: netcat |
| 14:21.41 | cyrax | Gathond - Hm, ok |
| 14:21.43 | asg | jair_11: the command is actually 'nc' |
| 14:21.43 | jair_11 | that I can verify with protocol is running and all that |
| 14:21.47 | Gathond | cyrax: -c actually |
| 14:21.49 | jair_11 | asg, ok |
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| 14:21.54 | Gathond | cyrax: -g anyway:L) |
| 14:21.57 | jair_11 | asg, let me try |
| 14:22.10 | cyrax | Gathond - Thanks :) |
| 14:22.39 | jair_11 | asg, it is taking me to a command line |
| 14:22.45 | jair_11 | asg, nc ??? |
| 14:22.47 | tarzeau | again please: can someone check if telnet linuks.mine.nu 27015 works? |
| 14:22.58 | jair_11 | nc the host? the ip? |
| 14:23.03 | shingouz | tarzeau: sec |
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| 14:23.05 | asg | jair_11: nevermind, that won't help. |
| 14:23.10 | jair_11 | ok |
| 14:23.16 | jair_11 | asg, I think is grep |
| 14:23.20 | asg | jair_11: if you want to test whether ssh is running version one protocols, use ssh -1 <host> |
| 14:23.31 | ILF | sorry if this is a n00b question, but how do i completely disable the stupid trashcan? |
| 14:23.32 | jair_11 | ohhh |
| 14:23.33 | jair_11 | ok |
| 14:23.57 | shingouz | tarzeau: seems to work, telnet looks like it is playing nethack there |
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| 14:24.22 | priest | tarzeau: what is running on that telnet services? |
| 14:24.30 | tarzeau | priest: realtime nethack |
| 14:24.33 | Guerin | priest: haxord |
| 14:24.37 | Eini | hi there |
| 14:24.39 | tarzeau | priest: www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/ see nethackd |
| 14:24.54 | asg | tarzeau: looks fine from here |
| 14:25.01 | Eini | i have many entries in my mtab file, every 3 lines the same for 10 or 20 times. how can i avoid this ? |
| 14:25.13 | jair_11 | asg, I see |
| 14:25.17 | resiak | ILF: What DE are you using? In any case, if you are able to disable it, it'll be in your file manager's preferences. |
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| 14:25.20 | asg | tarzeau: you're starting to feel hungry |
| 14:25.36 | tarzeau | asg: thanks |
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| 14:25.41 | tarzeau | asg: i think this one will ascend |
| 14:25.46 | asg | heh |
| 14:25.54 | shingouz | tarzeau: you have been eaten by a grue ;) |
| 14:25.55 | ILF | resiak: gnome |
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| 14:26.22 | tarzeau | shingouz: no. but i want my ESP back |
| 14:26.27 | shingouz | :) |
| 14:26.28 | resiak | ILF: You might want to connect to irc.gnome.org and /join #gnome there. |
| 14:26.47 | ILF | resiak: i looked in nautilus settings already, but didn't find anything |
| 14:26.49 | ILF | resiak: thx |
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| 14:27.13 | cyrax | Gathond - No go :( |
| 14:27.35 | abrotman | perl/debian person ? |
| 14:27.47 | dad | Guerin: found the solution to my problem - fgfs and flightgear being installed by aptitude, w/o me wanting them |
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| 14:27.56 | giupy | i ahve installed xfce sytem plug in for the toolbar and i have noticed that my cpu is at max ever, and i'm only using xchat and xterm now, what about ? |
| 14:28.25 | dad | Guerin: entered the gui, found the offending packages, and (-) them... |
| 14:28.55 | dad | yes! |
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| 14:30.40 | useruser | giupy: run top and find out what's eating your cpu |
| 14:30.47 | shingouz | giupy: open a terminal and check with top |
| 14:31.07 | abrotman | disclaimer . not a perl pseron .. where is CGI::Safe in debian ? |
| 14:31.14 | giupy | ok |
| 14:31.32 | lindi- | abrotman: check packages.debian.org for Safe.pm ? |
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| 14:31.53 | Eini | another problem is, that i get very often oops-messages: unable to handle kernel paging request ... but memtest say memory is okay. any suggestions ? |
| 14:31.54 | giupy | it's a bash, i'm downloading doom3 demo with wget, can it be that ? |
| 14:32.06 | abrotman | lindi-: that easy? |
| 14:32.07 | resiak | giupy: Yes. |
| 14:32.14 | lindi- | abrotman: if it's there then yes |
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| 14:32.19 | caphuso | abrotman: apt-file search CGI/Safe.pm |
| 14:32.20 | giupy | resiak, ok thanks |
| 14:32.23 | giupy | thanks all |
| 14:32.26 | abrotman | oh . Safe.pm ? |
| 14:32.28 | resiak | !show libcgi-safe-perl |
| 14:32.29 | asg | Eini: does free(1) indicate you have swap setup? |
| 14:32.33 | resiak | Erm, I can't speak dpkg. |
| 14:32.38 | resiak | !info libcgi-safe-perl |
| 14:32.43 | IDC | :) |
| 14:32.46 | resiak | Oh well. :-( |
| 14:33.13 | Eini | asg: yes, i use swap |
| 14:33.18 | IDC | I found exploring in Linux word is the best way to killing time :D |
| 14:33.25 | IDC | world |
| 14:33.31 | asg | Eini: and free does indicate that it is in use? |
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| 14:33.49 | Eini | asg: also im using ramdisk comiled in kernel ... |
| 14:34.01 | Eini | asg: used 856 , free 746124 |
| 14:34.17 | asg | Eini: which kernel? |
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| 14:34.29 | Eini | asg: 2.4.27 |
| 14:34.35 | asg | hmmm, odd |
| 14:34.47 | Eini | asg: means good ? |
| 14:34.51 | Eini | odd is stable ? |
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| 14:35.04 | asg | Eini: odd is 'that shouldn't happen' |
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| 14:35.26 | asg | Eini: for testing purposes, try using a debian 2.6 kernel image and see if you get the same symptoms. |
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| 14:35.49 | asg | Eini: if you compiled 2.4.27 yourself, try updating it to 2.4.30 (and see if you get the same symptoms.) |
| 14:36.00 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 14:36.29 | Eini | asg: updateing ? err.. apt-get install kernel-sources-2.4.30 ?? |
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| 14:36.42 | ^rob^ | i am looking for a cad program for house plans - i have to draw a 3d house - is there any soft for such thing in linux? |
| 14:36.42 | Zambba^ | Can I change my computer's name? |
| 14:36.44 | asg | Eini: did you compile 2.4.27 or apt-get install it? |
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| 14:36.49 | asg | Zambba^: /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 14:37.21 | tarzeau | asg: ever been in this high security area? |
| 14:37.39 | asg | tarzeau: no |
| 14:37.47 | tarzeau | asg: i think that's where Croesus lives |
| 14:37.49 | asg | tarzeau: Fort Ludios eh? |
| 14:37.51 | Eini | asg: it is (or was) special edition by ct, but i needed ppp-kernel-support .. so i got the sources and compiled it.. |
| 14:37.53 | tarzeau | asg: lotsa extra money, yeh |
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| 14:38.31 | m4lu6 | hmm. i modprobe snd-atiixp on this laptop, and get: "ATI IXP AC97 controller: probe of 0000:00:14.5 failed with error -13". this sucks. |
| 14:38.31 | asg | Eini: then I'd try with a debian kernel image and see if that fixes things. |
| 14:38.38 | asg | tarzeau: looks bloody dangerous :) |
| 14:38.44 | abrotman | caphuso: ok .. what i really need is CGI::Safe .. and the guy says Safe.pm isn't it |
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| 14:39.04 | tuxipuxi | hm damn.. when i boot my newly installed debian i get "cannot open dev/console: No such file Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" after a bunch of "nv_sata: primary device added/removed" messages.. anybody an idea? |
| 14:39.05 | tarzeau | asg: just don't be burdened |
| 14:39.12 | asg | tarzeau: no doubt! |
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| 14:40.02 | tarzeau | asg: and don't throw mjollnir when blind ;) |
| 14:40.07 | asg | heh |
| 14:40.32 | Eini | asg: okay, and how do i get a debian kernel image ? and can i add this new kernel to grub loader for choising ? |
| 14:40.45 | caphuso | abrotman: CGI::Safe maps to CGI/Safe.pm on unix. if apt-file doesn't find a package containing that file, it's not packaged and you get to learn dh-make-perl |
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| 14:40.49 | asg | Eini: apt-get install kernel-image (pick one from the list and apt-get install it) |
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| 14:42.09 | Eini | asg: okay, i have 2.4.27-2 and 2.6.8-2 and 2.6.8-11 ..which one ? no .30 .... :( |
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| 14:42.50 | m4lu6 | hrmmmm. I think ACPI might be involved here. |
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| 14:44.39 | bpa | Where do you setup if you want system wide readable homedirectories? |
| 14:44.47 | KLBS_smeagol | hello world |
| 14:44.56 | Anders1 | bpa: dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
| 14:45.04 | bpa | Anders1: Tack |
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| 14:45.28 | KLBS_smeagol | i need help with java instalation, anybody can open private with me and help me? |
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| 14:45.55 | asg | Eini: try the debian 2.4.27 one first, then 2.6.8-2 |
| 14:46.14 | tuxipuxi | fixed |
| 14:46.15 | gradzac | KLBS_smeagol: go here http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 |
| 14:46.33 | KLBS_smeagol | thanks |
| 14:46.36 | KLBS_smeagol | XD |
| 14:46.55 | Eini | asg: ok, i'll do. thanks so far |
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| 14:47.38 | asg | Eini: you're welcome. |
| 14:47.48 | dan2 | asg: hey |
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| 14:48.14 | asg | dan2: morning |
| 14:48.50 | tuxipuxi | my user has no home directory.. is there a better way to create it than with mkdir and chmod/chown? |
| 14:48.54 | dan2 | asg: you know whats funny... I seriously thought I had a memory leak when I kept seeing it eating up total system memory |
| 14:49.17 | dan2 | asg: whats happening is that its allocating and deallocating so much that the system keeps increasing the vm |
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| 14:49.27 | asg | dan2: interesting |
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| 14:49.44 | dan2 | asg: when I run gcc... and compile 4 files at a time... the number goes way down because gcc competes for vm |
| 14:49.45 | asg | HansZ: no, I'm not an op |
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| 14:50.30 | borhanix | which sarge cd's do I need to download in order to install debian and gnome? cd1 or anymore? |
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| 14:50.56 | Eini | err , with a via c3 processor, i use kernel image -686, dont i ? |
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| 14:51.19 | dan2 | asg: I bet its this old kernel has something buggy in it which causes it to do so |
| 14:51.40 | asg | dan2: could be, how old is the kernel? |
| 14:51.49 | dan2 | 2.6.8-24.14-smp |
| 14:51.50 | asg | dan2: also, did you fool with the vm.swappiness values? |
| 14:51.56 | dan2 | asg: no I didn't |
| 14:52.04 | dan2 | asg: tho maybe I should |
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| 14:52.26 | asg | dan2: there was some discussion on lkml last week or so about suggested values |
| 14:52.30 | borhanix | any ideas how many cd's i need to download and burn just for debian and gnome? is it all on sarge cd1? |
| 14:52.39 | giupy | wich line in sources.list for amule in testing ? |
| 14:52.44 | asg | borhanix: cd1 and possibly cd2 for most of it. |
| 14:52.54 | simonrvn | tuxipuxi: man adduser |
| 14:52.57 | borhanix | asg: thank you |
| 14:53.01 | dan2 | asg: whats interesting is my box here which runs 2.6.10 doesn't have vm.swappiness |
| 14:53.10 | shingouz | borhanix: or the sarge installer if you have a fast enough connection. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:53.20 | piripicchio | hi, could you advice me a nice graphical mail client to read the local mails? (username@localhost) |
| 14:53.22 | paulswm | hey gang |
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| 14:53.36 | apfel | What could be the problem if it takes a very long time to copy some data within the LAN (a mounted samba shared, actually) but the internet connection works perfectly (same interface)? |
| 14:53.46 | asg | dan2: no /proc/sys/vm/swappiness? |
| 14:53.50 | LSorense | borhanix: certainly in the past getting kde required the first 5cds. netinstall makes much more sense efficienacy wise |
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| 14:54.03 | LSorense | borhanix: and cd swapping sucks. dvd1 on the other hand covers almost everyone |
| 14:54.06 | dan2 | asg: nope |
| 14:54.15 | dan2 | asg: I use a CK kernel which automatically does swappiness on the fly |
| 14:54.20 | asg | dan2: oh |
| 14:54.34 | borhanix | thank you gentlemen, I had problems with the netinstall cd itself, I will try it on another now and report |
| 14:54.34 | asg | dan2: do you get these issues with a standard debian kernel image? |
| 14:54.37 | Eini | apfel: maybe a virus scanner for samba shares ? |
| 14:54.41 | m4lu6 | damnit. it wasn't acpi. hrmm. |
| 14:54.49 | HansZ | Test 1 2 3 |
| 14:54.54 | shingouz | borhanix: what problems? |
| 14:54.57 | asg | yes, HansZ you're online |
| 14:54.57 | apfel | Eini: The problem doesn't occur with other users |
| 14:54.59 | dan2 | asg: oh, I also don't have a swap here |
| 14:55.00 | dan2 | :) |
| 14:55.04 | HansZ | woo |
| 14:55.05 | asg | !lart dan2 |
| 14:55.13 | LSorense | apfel: samba can be very slow on windows machines if they don't have working wins or dns for the local network |
| 14:55.17 | paulswm | apfel: could be a NIC not set up right (duplex, speed), could be encryption through a slow CPU, could be disk speed, etc. Internet connections are much slower than LAN connections, so that's probably why it looks OK. |
| 14:55.21 | dan2 | asg: I thought 1.5G of ram was enough on this machine and didn't need a swap |
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| 14:55.35 | LSorense | dan2: probably true for most uses |
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| 14:55.45 | asg | dan2: probably but if you ever hit that limit ... |
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| 14:56.02 | LSorense | asg: and if you have 512m and 1G swap and hit the limit the difference is? |
| 14:56.12 | borhanix | shingouz: generic, probably something wrong with the cd.. ill try again, if it fails ill report |
| 14:56.18 | dan2 | asg: I set vm.swappiness to 1 on the box, and it stopped the memory usage in its tracks |
| 14:56.27 | asg | LSorense: it won't start killing processes |
| 14:56.36 | LSorense | asg: sure it will. I have seen it do it. |
| 14:56.40 | apfel | Hmm, the problem seems to be with my configuration. A friend of mine has no problems at all (he's also using Debian and was accessing the same samba server) |
| 14:56.44 | LSorense | asg: it just gets slow due to swapping first |
| 14:56.45 | asg | LSorense: oh, I missunderstood what you said |
| 14:56.53 | asg | LSorense: yes, of course there wouldn't be a difference. |
| 14:57.05 | LSorense | asg: the swap slow down may give you a warning |
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| 14:57.31 | tuxipuxi | will cp -a print I/O errors if they occur? |
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| 14:57.45 | Psycho_Nux | ho |
| 14:57.46 | LSorense | tuxipuxi: some yes |
| 14:57.52 | tuxipuxi | LSorense: only some? |
| 14:57.55 | tuxipuxi | hi Psycho_Nux |
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| 14:58.10 | LSorense | tuxipuxi: well I have seen it give io read errors and I have seen it give write errors, so I guess that covers most problems :) |
| 14:58.43 | tuxipuxi | LSorense: just want to make sure my backup isn't corrupted =) |
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| 14:58.58 | LSorense | tuxipuxi: I tend to use rsync for backups. I know it says so for sure |
| 14:59.10 | LSorense | tuxipuxi: and it has more flexibility in controling what to copy |
| 14:59.11 | tuxipuxi | LSorense: so do i, but i restore it with cp :) |
| 14:59.27 | LSorense | tuxipuxi: And rsync has an ACL patch which is part of why I use it |
| 14:59.36 | tuxipuxi | well ok, regular cp doesn't oppress i/o errors |
| 14:59.50 | LSorense | tuxipuxi: I am not sure if cp does ACL yet |
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| 15:00.10 | tuxipuxi | i'm not yet using ACL, i'm just restoring my backup =) |
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| 15:00.50 | HansZ | Does anyone have experience with the RT2500 Chipsets? |
| 15:01.03 | tuxipuxi | thanks anyway LSorense |
| 15:01.08 | LSorense | tuxipuxi: backups with ACL is hard. Mysolution was to dump the ACL data using getfacl -R to a file adn include it in the backup |
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| 15:01.28 | LSorense | tuxipuxi: star wasn't flexible enough for what I wanted although it does support ACL |
| 15:01.32 | tuxipuxi | LSorense: i'll use acl only for /opt anyway |
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| 15:01.47 | LSorense | tuxipuxi: it makes samba shares much nicer when you have ACL |
| 15:01.57 | tuxipuxi | no samba here :) |
| 15:02.08 | LSorense | tuxipuxi: I mainly use it on a fileserver at work |
| 15:02.25 | tuxipuxi | ah |
| 15:02.45 | trym | where can I find the .config used to compile my current kernel-image ? |
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| 15:02.58 | tuxipuxi | in /boot/ iirc |
| 15:03.11 | tuxipuxi | should be named like the kernel image somehow |
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| 15:03.25 | trym | thanks :) |
| 15:03.39 | trym | config-2.6.8-2-686-smp :) |
| 15:03.44 | tuxipuxi | :) |
| 15:03.54 | tuxipuxi | fortunately i've a backup of my kernel config :) |
| 15:04.46 | Psycho_Nux | hi |
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| 15:04.52 | Psycho_Nux | i have a small probleme |
| 15:04.53 | tuxipuxi | hi Psycho_Nux |
| 15:05.02 | HansZ | Psycho_Nux: Tell us, what is your problem |
| 15:05.14 | Psycho_Nux | Soory for english |
| 15:05.16 | Psycho_Nux | but |
| 15:05.23 | Psycho_Nux | i want to install |
| 15:05.32 | HansZ | you don't have to excuse yourself for english, everyone uses it here. |
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| 15:06.31 | Psycho_Nux | install kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp but i cant because it depend of mesa and mesa cant be installed becaus i have install fglrx driver :\ |
| 15:06.31 | tuxipuxi | what do you want to install Psycho_Nux? |
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| 15:07.07 | tuxipuxi | oh, the weird fglrx driver.. i've nothing but problems with it too |
| 15:07.09 | HansZ | Psycho_Nux: Mesa isn't a dep of fglrx |
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| 15:07.17 | Psycho_Nux | no |
| 15:07.19 | HansZ | Psycho_Nux: switch to your opengl, and it would |
| 15:07.24 | Psycho_Nux | but install kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp need mesa |
| 15:07.26 | tuxipuxi | i think i've installed mesa and then overwrote it with fglrx again |
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| 15:07.32 | Psycho_Nux | and i can t install mesa |
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| 15:07.55 | HansZ | Psycho_Nux: what does fglrxinfo give you? |
| 15:08.14 | Psycho_Nux | OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc. |
| 15:08.14 | Psycho_Nux | OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9200 DDR Generic |
| 15:08.14 | Psycho_Nux | OpenGL version string: 1.3.5010 (X4.3.0-8.12.10) |
| 15:08.17 | now3d | Hi, I created sym link for java, about:plugins shows java is available. But still no java applets load. Any ideas? |
| 15:08.22 | HansZ | that seems to be OK |
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| 15:08.42 | HansZ | what happends if you try to apt-get install mesa - ? |
| 15:08.59 | asg | now3d: make sure java support is turned on in the preferences. |
| 15:09.05 | Psycho_Nux | tentative de remplacement de « /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 », qui appartient aussi au paquet fglrx-4-3-0 |
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| 15:09.25 | now3d | asg: ok, yep it is |
| 15:09.26 | Psycho_Nux | mean that it can be erase libGL |
| 15:09.37 | kalango | DEBIAN/CONFIG |
| 15:09.42 | asg | now3d: hmmm, maybe try restarting the browser. |
| 15:09.46 | HansZ | I think you have to reinstall your fglrx after installing the new kernel image ;) |
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| 15:10.15 | drac | Psycho_Nux: That's pretty silly to use fglrx with r200 card, it's a lot better supported by open source radeon driver. Speed, and quality. |
| 15:10.15 | Psycho_Nux | drac |
| 15:10.18 | Psycho_Nux | i have debian since 2 day |
| 15:10.19 | Psycho_Nux | ^^ |
| 15:10.30 | gan|y|med | hello, can plz anybody tell me if recompiling the dsdt directly affects my bios... |
| 15:10.33 | Psycho_Nux | i dont know wath is the better |
| 15:10.34 | Psycho_Nux | :p |
| 15:10.47 | HansZ | Well Psycho_Nux, the fglrx drivers are the offical drivers.. and they are not very good |
| 15:10.59 | drac | Psycho_Nux: Ok, then. Once you get used to your system and you demand some quality keep that in mind :) |
| 15:11.05 | kalango | BOA TARDE A TODOS |
| 15:11.14 | HansZ | kalango: sure, try english |
| 15:11.33 | paulswm | And lower case |
| 15:11.33 | dan2 | asg: I do have a feeling its the crappy C++ allocators which make the vm go way up |
| 15:11.39 | kalango | DOU NOT SPAIKIN INGLES |
| 15:11.53 | paulswm | !br |
| 15:11.53 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 15:12.04 | Psycho_Nux | i can t remove |
| 15:12.07 | HansZ | paulswm: nice, how did you knew? |
| 15:12.08 | Psycho_Nux | fglrx |
| 15:12.11 | Psycho_Nux | :\ |
| 15:12.15 | kalango | OK |
| 15:12.31 | kalango | HELP |
| 15:12.34 | Eini | hmm.. if i try to boot the new kernel say: Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 03:06 ... hda6 .. hda1 is only my /boot dir |
| 15:12.45 | giupy | do you know how to use soundcard that goes in windows via software? i can't use the mixer, it goes only at max vol |
| 15:12.46 | Psycho_Nux | Les paquets suivants contiennent des dépendances non satisfaites : |
| 15:12.46 | Psycho_Nux | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.49 | kalango | COMO FAÇO PARA IR PARA O PORTUG |
| 15:12.50 | paulswm | HansZ: I looked as his details in XChat, but /whois <nick> will tell you |
| 15:12.52 | asg | !br |
| 15:12.52 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:12.53 | asg | kalango: ^^^ |
| 15:12.58 | sussudio_ | kalango: http://img51.echo.cx/img51/4244/2321914ek.jpg |
| 15:13.07 | HansZ | kalango: #debian-br <- u + help = true |
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| 15:13.18 | kalango | (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:13.18 | kalango | asg kalango: ^^^ |
| 15:13.20 | now3d | asg: hmm, same thing |
| 15:13.33 | asg | kalango: yes, '/j #debian-br' |
| 15:13.40 | now3d | asg: it is still working according to about:plugins |
| 15:13.48 | paulswm | sussudio_: Very funny, that link :) |
| 15:14.05 | HansZ | ahaha that picture |
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| 15:14.10 | HansZ | Kinda offensive |
| 15:14.11 | asg | now3d: hmmm, I don't know then, I'm sorry. |
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| 15:14.34 | now3d | I ran mozilla through gdb and get this: "VM did not start up properly, Error occurred during initialization of VM, java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object, Could not read ack from child process, Plugin: Java VM process has died." |
| 15:14.48 | now3d | does anyone know if there is a JRE in debian? |
| 15:14.57 | asg | now3d: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 15:15.02 | Eini | hmm.. if i try to boot the new kernel it say: "Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 03:06" ... hda6 .. hda1 is only my /boot dir. hmm, what now ? |
| 15:15.12 | Psycho_Nux | erf fglrx suck mesa too ^^ |
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| 15:15.54 | HansZ | now3d: yea there is |
| 15:16.01 | kalango | boa tarde a todos |
| 15:16.22 | HansZ | dont they learn english at school |
| 15:16.25 | sussudio_ | !texugo kalango |
| 15:16.26 | dpkg | kalango: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
| 15:16.33 | Anders1 | kalango: /join #debian-br |
| 15:16.44 | Ceksu | how do I setup traffic limits for shell users? |
| 15:17.09 | HansZ | Ceksu: hmm there was something for it.. |
| 15:17.22 | HansZ | wasn't it trickle guys? |
| 15:17.30 | gan|y|med | Eini: what filesystem are u using for root? |
| 15:17.31 | Psycho_Nux | i can t intall mesa because fglrx is here and i can t unisntall fglrx because mesa is not here :\ |
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| 15:17.56 | Eini | hmm etx3 i thing |
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| 15:18.08 | HansZ | Ceksu: It's trickle |
| 15:18.08 | Anders1 | HansZ: i dunno if trickle can set traffic limits for specific users |
| 15:18.13 | gan|y|med | does anyody know about compiling your own dsdt..... plz need help |
| 15:18.33 | Eini | gan: ext3 |
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| 15:19.15 | asg | Ceksu: lartc.org has a nice HOWTO on various traffic shaping things. |
| 15:19.19 | gan|y|med | Eini: have u compiled ext3 support in the kernel or as module... and if as modules are u using the proper initrd? |
| 15:19.28 | now3d | asg: hmm, are there no pre-built debs in non-free for JRE I can grab..? |
| 15:19.43 | gw|Turms | sarge, kernel 2.6.11, dsl, when i run apt-get or dselect i get "0% waiting for headers" and it rest for about 4 minutes, is that normal? |
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| 15:20.08 | gan|y|med | now3d: why dont u take the packages from sun, they are easy to install... |
| 15:20.16 | HansZ | very easy.. |
| 15:20.22 | asg | now3d: you are much better off using the java-package stuff, the free vms probably are not going to work. |
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| 15:20.39 | HansZ | hi dad |
| 15:20.45 | HansZ | xD |
| 15:21.11 | resiak | gw|Turms: You have a slow mirror, is all. |
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| 15:21.41 | gw|Turms | resiak: thanks :) |
| 15:21.45 | HansZ | gw|Turms: I had that today, It will go away after a while |
| 15:21.49 | now3d | gan|y|med: atm, i took jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.rpm from Sun and installed it, created sym links, but mozilla failes to start the JVM for some reason.. |
| 15:21.53 | dan2 | asg: how do I insert arbitrary spanish characters in openoffice without a character map |
| 15:22.07 | asg | dan2: not a clue, I've never used oo |
| 15:22.17 | gw|Turms | HansZ: bloody austrians :-DDD |
| 15:22.18 | gan|y|med | now3d: did u install it with alien and dpkg? |
| 15:22.24 | trym | "LOOP_MULTI_KEY_SETUP: Invalid argument" I get this when running make tests on loop-aes -- any ideas? |
| 15:22.24 | asg | dan2: maybe a standard compose key setup might work. |
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| 15:22.41 | gw|Turms | HansZ: well, i must admit that italian mirrors are even worse :D |
| 15:22.45 | now3d | gan|y|med: only alien -i jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.rpm |
| 15:22.48 | dan2 | asg: whats a compose key |
| 15:22.58 | now3d | gan|y|med: then created the sym link |
| 15:23.09 | Eini | gan: i've installed kernel-iamge-2.4.27-2-686 with apt-get ... proper initrd ? no clue.. |
| 15:23.23 | now3d | gan|y|med: about:plugins shows it is available and working. but mozilla fails to spawn it, and gdb says that too |
| 15:23.27 | resiak | dan2: Try, say, AltGr-] then n. That should produce n-tilde. |
| 15:23.32 | gan|y|med | i know its annoying but does anybody know anything about acpi in linux... and if it can affect the original acpi table of the bios.... |
| 15:23.35 | resiak | dan2: (or, at least, it does on my keyboard) |
| 15:23.41 | asg | dan2: xmodmap -e 'keysym Super_L = Multi_key' (map the silly windows key to compose key) then, "compose key + e + '" |
| 15:23.41 | dan2 | resiak: GR? |
| 15:23.46 | _joey | does anyone know if pcmcia to pci cards are well supported on linux? |
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| 15:23.57 | HansZ | _joey: they work fine |
| 15:24.00 | resiak | dan2: The right Alt key. Some keyboards have it labelled AltGr. |
| 15:24.05 | _joey | pci to pcmcia rather |
| 15:24.24 | dan2 | ironically, this is a mac keyboard, I want to map my mac key |
| 15:24.38 | resiak | dan2: Ack. Well .. I don't know about remapping it, then -- sorry. |
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| 15:25.00 | gandy909 | only viable solution to being rootkit'd is still a format/reinstall? |
| 15:25.10 | dan2 | asg: thats not working |
| 15:25.25 | dma | hi |
| 15:25.25 | HansZ | !not working |
| 15:25.26 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:25.28 | gan|y|med | Eini: ok sry, but i am a bit out of line. i do not use the debian way of making my own kernel (and everybody curses me for that) but it works for me... i compile it according to kernel.org... anyway, you should compile ext3 modules in the kernel (and i recommend another fs...) |
| 15:25.37 | asg | dan2: there are other examples in xmodmap(1x) |
| 15:26.00 | paulswm | gandy909: And not writing stuff like the following on IRC: |
| 15:26.04 | paulswm | !qotd39 |
| 15:26.04 | dpkg | i heard qotd39 is <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password |
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| 15:26.21 | HansZ | hehe paulswm |
| 15:26.25 | paulswm | :D |
| 15:26.38 | dan2 | hmm |
| 15:26.54 | asg | gandy909: nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. |
| 15:27.06 | Eini | gan: which fs ? i'm happy that i dont have to use ext2 any longer :) |
| 15:27.09 | gan|y|med | now3d: sorry, but then i dont know. i use opera (i know, it's commercial, do not hit me plz) and it has a jre built in... |
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| 15:28.10 | gandy909 | damn! I knew that was the answer, but thought I'd check before nuking... :( |
| 15:28.31 | resiak | gandy909: Do you know how it happened? |
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| 15:28.45 | dimitri | find . -type f -print0|xargs -0 open |
| 15:28.47 | gan|y|med | Eini: ext3 is mainly ext2 with journalling support (as i suppose u already know). that's why it is the slowest of all, even slower than ext2 (but, of course, more secure) |
| 15:28.54 | asg | gandy909: try to find out how it happened before you nuke it though, that will help you secure things in the future. |
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| 15:29.16 | dimitri | find . -type f -print0|xargs -0 mpg123 only plays the last tunes in the current dir, why ? |
| 15:29.19 | gandy909 | resiak, no. Its a stock 30r4, sitting in dmz behind smoothwall. |
| 15:29.52 | HansZ | dimitri: what does * do? instead of . |
| 15:29.52 | asg | dimitri: try adding '-n1' to xargs |
| 15:30.06 | dimitri | HansZ: same, I tried that |
| 15:30.07 | gandy909 | resiak, had apache, php, postgres, exim, sshd, etc. running |
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| 15:30.08 | resiak | gandy909: You might want to boot up from a livecd and try to figure out how it happened. |
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| 15:30.24 | tuxipuxi | damn.. how can i only copy hidden files and dirs? (recursively) cp -dpr /bla/bla/.* /where/to? |
| 15:30.38 | gan|y|med | how do i switch off my second always running, nerv killing fan in idle mode. i hate that bastard... |
| 15:30.49 | tuxipuxi | nah, that . will not work i think |
| 15:30.52 | dimitri | asg: I think it is the -print0 that ignore line-carrigae as well as whitespace |
| 15:30.55 | gan|y|med | via acpi, i mean... |
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| 15:31.12 | asg | dimitri: but -n1 will force xargs to use only one argument, which is what you want I think. |
| 15:31.29 | gan|y|med | is there any way to do it from command line? |
| 15:31.30 | dimitri | asg: i see but it does not work |
| 15:31.34 | asg | hmmm |
| 15:31.41 | tuxipuxi | please people that's important for me |
| 15:32.01 | HansZ | hmpf stupid guides.. download wireless-tools to configure your wireless card xD |
| 15:32.07 | ralf | hi, i'm building a program from source package |
| 15:32.14 | gandy909 | resiak, it seems to still 'run' fine, but the startup scripts never exit, I get 'eth0 setting promiscuous mode' on the console repeatedly. and stuff in /bin has file dates of bootup time on them |
| 15:32.19 | ralf | since that package creates 5 debs |
| 15:32.25 | ralf | how can I create only one? |
| 15:32.28 | dimitri | asg: anyother idea ? |
| 15:32.37 | ralf | not one containing all 5 debs |
| 15:32.39 | resiak | gandy909: Interesting... |
| 15:32.41 | ralf | only one of that 5 |
| 15:32.44 | asg | tuxipuxi: use find + cp or find + tar |
| 15:33.06 | asg | dimitri: for i in $(generate some list of files) ; do foo with $i ; done |
| 15:33.13 | ralf | tuxipuxi: cp .??* |
| 15:33.30 | ralf | better cp -a .??* |
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| 15:33.46 | tuxipuxi | ralf: thank you :) |
| 15:33.59 | gan|y|med | so nobody knows how i can manipulate acpi states from command line? |
| 15:34.20 | ralf | gan|y|med: is written in the kernel docs |
| 15:34.21 | tuxipuxi | not me |
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| 15:34.50 | dimitri | asg: what should I put instead of $(generate some list of files ) |
| 15:35.05 | ralf | gan|y|med: less /usr/src/linux-2.6.11.9/Documentation/power/states.txt |
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| 15:35.11 | d03boy | Got my mouse buttons to work. The .Xmodmap file does load after all... not sure why it wasnt working for me last night |
| 15:35.19 | HansZ | lol /msg dpkg documentation is so funny |
| 15:35.19 | ralf | or wathever you have |
| 15:35.54 | HansZ | Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." |
| 15:35.56 | Aradorn | anyone know a tutorial on apply a .patch to a kernel? |
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| 15:36.24 | k0walski | I'm having a problem getting php4-mysql thru apt, how do I go about getting it? |
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| 15:37.22 | gan|y|med | thx to ralf |
| 15:37.33 | asg | dimitri: your find command, for instance |
| 15:37.34 | ralf | np |
| 15:37.44 | resiak | k0walski: Define "a problem", for starters. |
| 15:38.21 | k0walski | resiak, it fails to fetch it from ftp.debian.org. it says failed to open file |
| 15:38.29 | resiak | k0walski: apt-get update |
| 15:38.43 | asg | k0walski: also, make sure you are root |
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| 15:38.58 | k0walski | i'm root. |
| 15:39.13 | k0walski | resiak, trying the update. |
| 15:39.29 | CASP | that's story, that's story of looove. |
| 15:39.29 | Eini | i'm always root ... exist another user ? .... (only joking, sry) |
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| 15:39.57 | _gentgeen_ | where can I get png2ico for Debain?? |
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| 15:40.14 | k0walski | _gentgeen_, that comes with netpbm |
| 15:40.25 | k0walski | _gentgeen_, I believe... check out netpmb. |
| 15:40.31 | dimitri | asg: I have difficulties with my find command, I like to solve that one before doing another one |
| 15:40.33 | k0walski | s/netpmb/netpbm/ |
| 15:40.33 | _gentgeen_ | k0walski, I will thanks |
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| 15:42.31 | nse | OK. My fonts are messed up. I can't survive with this situation, I was making a tour in KDE yesterday and acidentally set all the KDE fotns back to the defaut by clicling in Default in the KDE Control Center. Everything changed to Helvetica. That's OK, but when I was back to GNOME all my system fonts were weird, I bit unfocused, the type of the font were the same, but strange. Could somebody help me, please? |
| 15:42.47 | paulswm | !moo |
| 15:42.47 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
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| 15:42.53 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 15:42.53 | dpkg | :), paulswm |
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| 15:44.30 | cahoot | nse: try to move ~/.fonts.conf out of the way |
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| 15:45.59 | k0walski | resiak, tried the update, it worked thanks. |
| 15:46.23 | resiak | k0walski: You should apt-get update and apt-get upgrade on a regular basis. Possibly even apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 15:46.53 | davix | how much karmain boots should cost me |
| 15:46.59 | resiak | davix: karmain? |
| 15:47.13 | asg | dimitri: are you sure 'find ... -print0 | xargs -n1 -0 ...' didn't work? |
| 15:47.17 | k0walski | resiak, ahhh thanks.. |
| 15:47.53 | nse | cahoot: and restart X? |
| 15:48.07 | cahoot | nse: yes |
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| 15:50.05 | xav_ | hi everyone. |
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| 15:50.30 | xav_ | i'm looking for help in C programming |
| 15:50.39 | k0walski | resiak, I installed php4-mysql thru apt, but it's still not recognized by php, what could it be? |
| 15:50.46 | xav_ | does anyone know a good channel for that ? |
| 15:50.46 | Subvertir | xav_, #C |
| 15:50.51 | xav_ | thx |
| 15:50.52 | dvs | C#? |
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| 15:51.56 | trym | does anyone know of any docs explaining how secure serpent128 is.. overhead etc |
| 15:52.08 | resiak | k0walski: Not a clue. Ask the channel as a whole, or #php? |
| 15:53.56 | m4lu6 | GAH. this laptop's sound support has me allll disgusted, and whatnot. |
| 15:54.10 | dvs | m4lu6: which one? |
| 15:54.17 | m4lu6 | just one of the myriad reasons i detest ATI |
| 15:54.32 | m4lu6 | dvs: Toshiba satellite A75 with ATI IXP 150 |
| 15:54.37 | m4lu6 | or something liek that |
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| 15:54.59 | m4lu6 | i was shocked that the video card drv worked "out of the box" at 1280x800 |
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| 15:55.18 | m4lu6 | no gl support as of yet (just haven't done anything about it), but pah, that's fine. |
| 15:55.22 | m4lu6 | i just want bloody audio! ahrhg |
| 15:55.45 | dvs | m4lu6: What does "lspci | grep audio" say? |
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| 15:57.04 | m4lu6 | dvs, says whatever. what is getting on my nerves is what it says when i insert the snd-atiixp module: "ATI IXP AC97 controller: probe of 0000:00:14.5 failed with error -13" |
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| 15:57.21 | m4lu6 | doing an insmod on just the snd_atiixp.ko yeilds a sh*tload of unknown symbols |
| 15:57.36 | cahoot | m4lu6: modprobe |
| 15:57.42 | m4lu6 | i REALLY don't want to compile a custom kernel. |
| 15:57.53 | m4lu6 | cahoot: refer to the 1st error, above. That's a result of modprobe. |
| 15:57.54 | dvs | m4lu6: do as cahoot says |
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| 15:57.58 | m4lu6 | nay. |
| 15:58.01 | m4lu6 | it does not work. |
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| 15:58.15 | dvs | m4lu6: what kernel are you using? |
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| 15:58.55 | m4lu6 | 2.6.8-686-smp, stock debian prebuilt |
| 15:59.05 | m4lu6 | 2.6.11 wreaks havok with this damned touchpad. |
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| 15:59.31 | paulswm | m4lu6: It's ok to say "shitload" in here, if bad language wasn't allowed, this place would be dead :P |
| 16:00.00 | m4lu6 | paulswm, ok, god damnit. i'll say shit. |
| 16:00.11 | m4lu6 | and cocksucker. and all the other things i hear on Deadwood |
| 16:00.21 | paulswm | !beer m4lu6 |
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| 16:00.38 | m4lu6 | anyhow. profanity aside, i want my motherf$*@ing sound to work ;) |
| 16:00.48 | jdcub | Does anyone know why the 2.6.* kernels die on bootup on sarge with "attempted to kill init"? I've heard there is a package I need to upgrade and it will work. |
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| 16:01.04 | shift__ | Net<-Linux box<-Hub<-Multiple machines. None of my machines except the linux box can ping www.google.com. All of them can ping google's IP (64.233.167.99). I'm guessing DNS isn't functioning correctly on the linux box. Help? |
| 16:01.32 | cahoot | jdcub: one is module-init-tools |
| 16:01.38 | m4lu6 | ok. so i stuck soundcore in, did an insmod, that helped with the symbols problem, now i just get the same damned error -13 |
| 16:01.57 | paulswm | m4lu6: I had a dickens of a job getting sound (alsa) to work with my Turtle Beach Santa Cruz, and I can get it to work in 2.6.8 but not in 2.6.10 |
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| 16:02.27 | m4lu6 | i thought this might be an ACPI issue, so i disabled it, no go. Re-enabled it, but i see an ACPI message after i do a modprobe. ugh. |
| 16:02.29 | paulswm | I hate to say it, but sound on Linux bascially sucks |
| 16:02.30 | m4lu6 | ugh + oy. |
| 16:02.38 | resiak | paulswm: It's very true. |
| 16:02.46 | m4lu6 | i think i might step down to a 2.4 kernel and see what happens. |
| 16:02.50 | Anders1 | paulswm: indeed :/ |
| 16:02.55 | eps | sound on linux is fine, as long as you don't want to play two at a time |
| 16:03.07 | cahoot | eps: get a sb |
| 16:03.07 | eps | if you have a hardware sound card it is fine completely |
| 16:03.07 | m4lu6 | paulswm, it's better than it used to be, much much better. |
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| 16:03.16 | eps | cahoot I'm saving up for one :) |
| 16:03.17 | m4lu6 | used to be being, oh, 8 yers ago :) |
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| 16:04.00 | jdcub | hmm, apt said that my module-init-tools was already at the latest version |
| 16:04.01 | iLLf8d | lo all can someone recommend a package that will give me a local debian mirror? I've noticed there are a few different packages available and they all mention "partial" debian mirror in their descriptions? |
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| 16:04.29 | paulswm | m4lu6: My problem with 2.6.10 seems to be that snd_ac97_codec is getting into the snd_pcm list, which it doesn't in 2.6.8, but this stuff is baffling to me. |
| 16:04.45 | err0x | hi, all |
| 16:04.48 | eps | then use 2.6.8 |
| 16:04.54 | eps | hey err0x |
| 16:05.22 | err0x | i need a good channel.. |
| 16:05.29 | m4lu6 | what torque's my nards even more is that w/acpi enabled, box won't "reboot" |
| 16:05.31 | paulswm | iLLf8d: What do you need the mirro for? If it's to share on a LAN, then apt-proxy, because it basically caches packages already downloaded once. |
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| 16:06.08 | m4lu6 | hee hee. i love grub. |
| 16:06.12 | iLLf8d | paulswm: I need a mirror so we can install up to date packages at a lug meeting w/out connectivity |
| 16:06.15 | paulswm | eps: well that's what I do, and that's what I said :) |
| 16:06.21 | m4lu6 | OK. acpi, OFF(!) damn youuuu |
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| 16:06.42 | eps | paulswm okie :) |
| 16:06.50 | paulswm | iLLf8d: Ah, I don't know as I've never done that :) |
| 16:06.53 | eps | I need to disable acpi on my box |
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| 16:07.16 | paulswm | eps: acpi=off on the boot command |
| 16:07.17 | m4lu6 | this box, my trusty Sideshow, is ALL nvidia, all of the time :) |
| 16:07.24 | hundra | gday! |
| 16:07.35 | eps | iLLf8d there are guides on google for setting up your own apt mirror, we used it last week to make ours |
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| 16:07.54 | eps | paulswm I have that, still getting this APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) error |
| 16:07.55 | m4lu6 | but alas, this is the joy of linux: Shit just don't work right out of the box. |
| 16:08.13 | darkk | lol |
| 16:08.16 | m4lu6 | well... some times. |
| 16:08.16 | eps | m4lu6 either does windows, only mac truely works out of the box |
| 16:08.19 | iLLf8d | eps: can you point me to the tool you used for yours? seems theres a bunch of tools and methods, and how did yours work out? |
| 16:08.22 | m4lu6 | i find that anymore, it really does work out of the box. |
| 16:08.24 | paulswm | m4lu6: But the price is great :) |
| 16:08.37 | dvs | m4lu6: what box? you get what you pay for. ;-) |
| 16:08.39 | hundra | if i want to export a block device from one machine to another - what should i use? there seem to be a few *nbd packages out there, and i just want to know which one of those who perform best ;) |
| 16:08.42 | jdcub | has anyone had problems upgrading from a 2.4.* kernel to a 2.6.* kernel on Sarge? |
| 16:08.43 | mtnman | dvs: or less |
| 16:08.45 | err0x | \\IP, windows sucks, bill gates sucks, tux rules |
| 16:08.55 | eps | iLLf8d just downloaded the whole mirror and set it up some how, not sure how we indexed it all - used a guide for it (and there was three of us working on it, all of my links are at work) |
| 16:09.09 | iLLf8d | ah ok |
| 16:09.37 | eps | iLLf8d if you have time I'll get the instructions for you tomorrow (it is 2am here so I'm not in the mood for digging things up :P) |
| 16:09.51 | m4lu6 | i believe in the "nothing worth doing is ever easy" mantra, personally. Not running windows, having a micorsoft free household/office is most certainly worth it |
| 16:09.54 | paulswm | Linux is a good OS for people willing to learn some IT stuff, Ubuntu is best for smart desktop users, debian for pros and sysadmins, and WinXP is best for most users, IMHO |
| 16:09.58 | darkk | jdcub: seemed flawless to me. |
| 16:10.31 | eps | m4lu6 couldn't agree more |
| 16:10.41 | m4lu6 | OK! acpi disabled, once agian. let's see if this damned soundcard will load now. If not!? 2.4.27 |
| 16:10.46 | paulswm | That wasn't meant as a troll, BTW, just my opinion |
| 16:10.50 | eps | paulswm winxp isn't best for most users, because most users are silly, and we can see the result of that |
| 16:10.54 | iLLf8d | eps: np gonna give apt-mirror a try, and if that doesn't work out perhaps debmirror |
| 16:10.58 | eps | at least in my experience :) |
| 16:11.07 | eps | okay iLLf8d |
| 16:11.10 | kimtree | dpkg:good night |
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| 16:11.32 | err0x | i will chance channel, i don?t know a good channel, i need a good channel, you must help me!! |
| 16:11.33 | eps | I'll be idling in here all the time, just give me a pm if you want instructions (it might take awhile for me to reply though :P) |
| 16:11.42 | m4lu6 | eps: now that i am free of my IBM job, wahooo, and a freelance programmer (again, wahooooo!), i have removed the last vestige of windows from my life: rm -rf /home/malus/vmware-IBM-slice/ :) |
| 16:11.45 | eps | night all |
| 16:11.52 | paulswm | eps: For people who have to have stuff work straight out of the box and can't won't leanr a lot of stuff about computers, there's really still no choice I don't think |
| 16:11.57 | eps | m4lu6 lol |
| 16:11.57 | paulswm | eps: Night, stay safe |
| 16:12.05 | dvs | m4lu6: layed off? |
| 16:12.05 | resiak | err0x: What exactly are you looking for? |
| 16:12.23 | eps | :) |
| 16:12.39 | darkk | paulswm: agreed. sadly. |
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| 16:13.18 | paulswm | darkk: Not necessarily sadly, making stuff easy might also make it unsafe, that's bitten MS very hard. |
| 16:13.35 | jdcub | are there any known problems running lvm2 on top of md in a 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:13.42 | m4lu6 | dvs: Nossir. |
| 16:13.43 | m4lu6 | i quit. |
| 16:13.49 | dvs | !beer m4lu6 |
| 16:14.01 | d03boy | Is anyone familiar with the Dell 1400 a/b/g wireless card? it uses the BCM4309 chipset. There doesnt seem to be drivers for it. I'm not very familiar with ndiswrapper, but I think it might be unsupported by it? Could anyone give me a hint of what to do? |
| 16:14.21 | m4lu6 | landed a contract doing a debian-based "device" about 2 weeks ago. worked it for a week, decided i liked it much better than TPS reports, and quit. |
| 16:14.30 | m4lu6 | oh, and the 15% increase in pay helps, too |
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| 16:14.58 | darkk | paulswm: aye. i mean i find it sad that linux is no real alternative for a huge number of computer users, that's all. |
| 16:15.10 | m4lu6 | that device, a via epia based "device", works like a champ. got it squared away in about 3 hours. this new laptop of mine, on the other hand? SHITE! |
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| 16:15.22 | m4lu6 | so, to all you non-believers out there, |
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| 16:15.36 | m4lu6 | there ARE linux jobs, high paying linux jobs, out there. |
| 16:15.38 | darkk | despite i really like using it, i wouldn't necessarily recommend it to everyone, lol |
| 16:15.49 | jdcub | d03boy: ndiswrapper uses the windows driver for the card. the best way to see if it works is to get the driver unpacked on the harddrive and boot into knoppix and try it out, I've had my best success there. |
| 16:16.06 | m4lu6 | OK. kernel image 2.4.x coming. lessee if that changes things. |
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| 16:16.43 | zumbi | hi |
| 16:16.46 | m4lu6 | and none of this fancy schmancy smp stuff to do (drumroll) Hyperthreading(!) |
| 16:16.52 | d03boy | jdcub, would it be a bad idea to try it out in debian? |
| 16:16.59 | err0x | wenn es hier deutsche gibt, ich suche einen guten channel, der extra fuer hacker ist |
| 16:17.14 | m4lu6 | by the way... anybody here toyed around with user-mode linux on deb? |
| 16:17.27 | m4lu6 | it's been tempting me for a few months now, just haven't had the time to try it out. |
| 16:17.32 | paulswm | darkk: Yes, I agree to a certain extent, but a really good compromise is for a user to pay for WInXP but then use free software like Firefox, Thunderbird and OpenOffice |
| 16:17.51 | dvs | !tell beyond -about away |
| 16:18.22 | asg | d03boy: I have a 4306 in a d600 and it works with ndiswrapper |
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| 16:18.40 | kimtree | deadcat:good night! |
| 16:18.49 | darkk | paulswm: aye, I've even done that myself with my workstation. mainly because my old comp was so slow that it wouldn't give me reasonable performance with SWG on linux. =) but cba to buy 64bit-windows now for my new comp .. |
| 16:18.54 | d03boy | asg, ok, and you have to use the winxp driver for that? I guess I need to read up some more on ndiswrapper? |
| 16:18.56 | paulswm | darkk: I've been using Unix as a programmer for 20+ years, so my idea of fun is to mess with kernel builds, etc, so the fact that Linux takes some work is actually a bonus to my contrary way of thinking :) |
| 16:19.00 | asg | d03boy: yes |
| 16:19.06 | green_earz | darkk: a lotttt of peaple had no found linux yet, window is put on a plate for them from the mass median. of the TV but there is a new media the web. and linux is being seen there. lets whatch and see . |
| 16:19.07 | d03boy | ok |
| 16:19.26 | d03boy | gtg |
| 16:19.49 | darkk | paulswm: aye, i need that thing too. windows is just too obscure IMO to heavily mess it up, hehe |
| 16:20.00 | green_earz | darkk: sorry have not |
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| 16:20.46 | paulswm | green_earz: Most people don't want to put in the effort to learn, and Linux still needs a lot of learning, even with a good desktop distro like ubuntu. |
| 16:21.09 | jdcub | d03boy: you can try it out, it shouldnt hurt anything. I was never able to get my linksys G card to work (uses a broadcom chip) under debian with encryption. Koppix is a good tool to try it out with because you can always reboot and try it again if you think you screwed it up |
| 16:21.16 | paulswm | Not advocating ubuntu, just an example |
| 16:21.37 | darkk | green_earz: well. linux has its potential. I found for example knoppix quite impressive as a demonstration of what you can make for it. still .. i have the impression that distros meant for occasional and non-professional users still require knowledge and determination to look things up etc. because sooner or later you find some thing which don't work out of the box. |
| 16:21.47 | m4lu6 | hahah. shit. |
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| 16:21.57 | m4lu6 | 2.4.27 didn't work out so well. |
| 16:22.02 | m4lu6 | Ooops |
| 16:22.25 | mooded | i guess thats why it was an odd number.. |
| 16:22.43 | dvs | m4lu6: crash? |
| 16:22.47 | m4lu6 | now that i think about it, i was unable to get 2.4.X to boot on this laptop when i installed it 2 days ago |
| 16:22.49 | m4lu6 | hrmm. |
| 16:22.49 | darkk | green_earz: ever tried to use a joystick in AMD64 system for 32bit-binaries? that's what i just spent half a day on :P |
| 16:22.52 | paulswm | darkk: http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/viman.gif |
| 16:23.19 | darkk | lol! |
| 16:23.20 | m4lu6 | i initially installed off of sarge net inst disc w/2.4.27, but after base install, rebooted: Oops |
| 16:23.26 | m4lu6 | damnit. |
| 16:23.31 | m4lu6 | 2.4.26, then :) |
| 16:23.39 | cristy | hi guys, i need helh; i've this line of code string=inet_ntoa(cli_addr.sin_addr); it returns this error: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast; anyone knows why? |
| 16:23.58 | cristy | *help |
| 16:24.03 | asg | cristy: try #c |
| 16:24.32 | dvs | cristy: inet_ntoa is expecting a pointer and not an int? |
| 16:24.35 | doub | hi evrybody |
| 16:24.41 | mooded | christy.. try #python.. you dont want to lean c if you can use python for this.. |
| 16:24.49 | mooded | learn .. |
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| 16:25.40 | cristy | dvs: char * inet_ntoa (struct in_addr ADDR); |
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| 16:26.37 | m4lu6 | hahrhar. oops. |
| 16:26.50 | m4lu6 | just got a little too sloppy with my dpkg --purge command. oops. |
| 16:26.54 | m4lu6 | oh well. |
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| 16:28.50 | hackeron | is there anyway to make a raid1 with only 1 drive for now, if the data is only dupicated on the other drive, I will have the other drive delivered tomorrow but I want to install today. |
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| 16:28.55 | green_earz | darkk: but as you know there is a place for linux with the genral user. that wont a reliable machine. I think when peaple start the find out that they can have OS for FREEEEE and it will do the job just as well as microsoft and better. peaple will start the change thier ways. india l think could be a place to whacht for change |
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| 16:29.20 | dvs | hackeron: Don't install it as raid until you get the other drive |
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| 16:29.44 | hackeron | dvs: can I somehow convert the partition to raid1? |
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| 16:30.16 | dvs | hackeron: Yeah, it'll be some configuration change. |
| 16:30.33 | dvs | hackeron: You're using software raid, right? |
| 16:30.41 | hackeron | dvs: yeah |
| 16:30.52 | hackeron | dvs: but isnt it virtually the same if 1 drive fails and I take it out? |
| 16:31.43 | dvs | hackeron: I guess so if you can install it with the errors. I don't know if you can |
| 16:31.51 | green_earz | darkk: just imagen china shipping pc out with linux installed. |
| 16:32.02 | dvs | like Lenovo |
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| 16:33.39 | ciaron | how can i mount windows network shares under linux |
| 16:33.48 | dvs | ciaron: samba |
| 16:33.51 | asg | ciaron: smbfs |
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| 16:34.52 | beardy | ciaron: with mount, if you have smbfs installed |
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| 16:35.08 | gandy909 | what does /lib/locate/ dir belong to? |
| 16:35.14 | green_earz | darkk: and they could because it freee. and india could be the tech support. as in call centres. and it could be. |
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| 16:36.35 | gandy909 | er, what does /var/lib/locate/ dir belong to? |
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| 16:37.10 | asg | gandy909: locate, I would imagine |
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| 16:38.33 | exobyte_ | I rsynced some stuff with --delete, but the dest has files the source doesn't. ideas? |
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| 16:38.51 | fortran01 | Is it possible to change my username in a *nix environment without root priveleges? |
| 16:39.03 | darkk | green_earz: yeah, i said it, it has its potential =) in case it is even shipped preinstalled with a PC that's possibly a different story. the usage of linux is piece of cake. but the customization and administration .. that's usually things for some experienced users IMO |
| 16:39.19 | manas | folden, no |
| 16:39.19 | asg | fortran01: no |
| 16:39.27 | beardy | fortran01: If you are nice to your root, you can ask him, and maybe he will do it :) |
| 16:39.28 | fortran01 | thanks asg |
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| 16:39.47 | beardy | him/her |
| 16:40.00 | fortran01 | Is it really stupid to have username like tek.chen (with dot)? |
| 16:40.22 | dvs | fortran01: Yes, I'd use an alias |
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| 16:40.24 | HansZ | fortran01: dots aren't possible in nicknames |
| 16:40.46 | aeg | fortran01, dot's are possible as usernames on some systems but i wouldn't recommend it |
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| 16:40.59 | HansZ | Oh as username, sorry.. my bad |
| 16:41.32 | fortran01 | i have a remote bsd shell, and i have tek.chen as username, and unfortunately I was having problems connecting to freenode using the shell because of the username |
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| 16:43.31 | green_earz | darkk: that "experienced users" could be tech support from india over ssh and keys. and voip to have that human contact. |
| 16:44.45 | manas | anbody running coLinux + debian out here ? |
| 16:45.01 | Floxxx | dvs? |
| 16:45.19 | manas | I cannot get the damn cdrom working to use my set of Sarge CDs |
| 16:45.23 | dvs | yes? |
| 16:45.34 | Floxxx | what's with the message? |
| 16:45.41 | Floxxx | i didn't spam anything |
| 16:45.50 | Floxxx | i just change nicks |
| 16:46.05 | Floxxx | +d |
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| 16:46.31 | dvs | Floxxx: Use the away flag instead |
| 16:46.53 | Floxxx | right... |
| 16:47.08 | Delph | y'know, the one which is for telling other users that you are away, and all that. |
| 16:47.17 | exobyte | I did rsync -a -v --delete /mnt/foo/* /mnt/bar, but there are files in bar not in foo. Ideas why? |
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| 16:47.57 | beardy | exobyte: the "*" ? |
| 16:48.44 | exobyte | beardy: I just did a dry run without the * (only change). That looks like it could be waht I want |
| 16:48.51 | Eini | how do i deinstall/remove a programm (eg mpg123) which was installed by make install ? |
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| 16:49.05 | dvs | Eini: manually |
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| 16:49.11 | asg | Eini: make uninstall (if you are lucky) |
| 16:49.15 | Gathond | Eini: if you still have the source it might have a make uninstall target |
| 16:49.19 | exobyte | ened: yeah, if you're lucky |
| 16:49.31 | Eini | okay, thx ... |
| 16:49.31 | green_earz | darkk: microsoft may change to a unix model if they want to stay in the market place. because of its qualty. is mac a unix model OS. |
| 16:49.34 | Gathond | Eini: but generally, you dont, you track down and remove every file manually |
| 16:49.51 | ened | re |
| 16:49.54 | pipeline | green_earz: Windows is already so filled with UNIX brain damage, that would be no great leap. |
| 16:49.57 | exobyte | beardy: with that correction, will I get a "perfect" mirror? |
| 16:50.04 | ened | exobyte: why? |
| 16:50.06 | pipeline | green_earz: All operating systems written with C tend to start to look like UNIX |
| 16:50.07 | Eini | to bad, no make uninstall or make remove :( |
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| 16:50.34 | exobyte | ened: see- it isn't there. most of the time people don't write that |
| 16:50.55 | exobyte | ened: start by reading the man page. it should tell you what files it uses |
| 16:50.56 | manas | pipeline, FreeDOS is written in C :) |
| 16:51.01 | pipeline | green_earz: Also, Microsoft already has a pretty good UNIX-compatibility package. "Windows Services for UNIX." Stupid name, great software. 2003R2 will supposedly ship with it by default. |
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| 16:51.05 | K_Dallas | Hi_guys! Problem: i have lost my show-panel or whatever it is named, on the bottom of gnome-sarge (too many mixed updates) i have the task bar which refuses to show the applications nor the desktops. appreciate any help |
| 16:51.09 | pipeline | manas: FreeDOS is a bootloader, not an operating system :P |
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| 16:51.12 | ened | exobyte: you're talking to Eini :) |
| 16:51.19 | manas | pipeline, :)) |
| 16:51.22 | tuxipuxi | hm anyone an idea why my .bashrc might not be parsed? when i do source ~/.bashrc it gets parsed, but not automatically |
| 16:51.47 | Delph | tuxipuxi: your .bash_profile doesn't include it? |
| 16:52.01 | tuxipuxi | if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then |
| 16:52.02 | tuxipuxi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.02 | tuxipuxi | fi |
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| 16:52.21 | Delph | hmm |
| 16:52.31 | Eini | exobyte: i thought i have to read the make install routines and the rollback .. |
| 16:52.38 | Eini | the = then |
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| 16:53.31 | Delph | Eini: that sounds sensible. If you're doing it in the future you could build a package of it and install that, just to make the removal process easier. |
| 16:53.53 | Delph | but there is a debian package of mpg123 anyway, so i'm not sure why the source came out =:) |
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| 16:54.22 | beardy | exobyte: I don't know what you are trying to do, I just noticed you had "*" in one of the directories, and since you wondered why the result (what it now should have been) were not the same for the both dirs, that's why I pointed it out. |
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| 16:54.36 | Eini | delph: mpg123 by debian is mpg321 ( i thought) .. but building a package sounds...err...awful |
| 16:54.59 | Smerdyakov | If I get a syslog error "FATAL: Module serial_cs not found." does it mean I need to modify the kernel to use a PCMCIA modem? |
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| 16:55.34 | darkk | green_earz: hmm .. it might happen ... but is there any reliable information on that? :) |
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| 16:55.59 | green_earz | pipeline: haaa, right it the kernel, because of process runing out side of it. not like micrsoft with apps runing in the kernel. so a app crashs in micrsoft and all is down with a micrsoft kernel. Thank for the info about "systems written with C" |
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| 16:56.37 | Delph | Eini: it's not that bad |
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| 16:57.04 | pipeline | green_earz: Windows NT doesn't run apps in kernel mode. |
| 16:57.06 | Delph | i didn't know how to make one, and managed it in about 45mins with a really simple one with only one executable. |
| 16:57.27 | moi | hello, where do i best create folder for my samba shares? is /usr/local/smbshares/ suitable? or /shares/ |
| 16:58.10 | Delph | Eini: look more carefully, it has both (in testing, anyway) |
| 16:58.22 | Delph | Eini: it's not that hard. |
| 16:58.23 | beardy | moi: absolutely not /usr/anything, I suggest /mnt/shares, or anything you like, under /mnt |
| 16:58.26 | caphuso | moi: modern versions of the FHS try to enforce /srv for such stuff, but you're free to choose whatever you like, modulo certain obviously stupid places like e.g. /usr/bin |
| 16:58.57 | moi | beardy: yep /mnt sounds indeed much better |
| 16:59.10 | darkk | hmm ... what would be wrong about /var? |
| 16:59.10 | darkk | =) |
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| 16:59.28 | moi | caphuso: well /srv sounds nice too |
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| 16:59.56 | caphuso | moi: wait, are you looking for a place to mount samba shares on, or are you looking for a place to put stuff which other computers will mount via samba? |
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| 17:00.19 | firepol | hi there. if i want to backup my mysql databases of my debian (woody) is it enough that i copy: /var/lib/mysql? |
| 17:00.31 | moi | caphuso: i want to create shares there, where other users can upload files and stuff |
| 17:00.34 | FieldySnuts | nope. someone else here will know, gotta go |
| 17:00.41 | caphuso | moi: well, then *not* /mnt |
| 17:00.41 | moi | so i think /srv is the right thing |
| 17:00.45 | moi | ;) ok |
| 17:00.50 | FieldySnuts | !irritate moi |
| 17:00.51 | dpkg | moi: hi every1 how does I run teh grafixx windows lol |
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| 17:01.00 | moi | hehe thanks FieldySnuts |
| 17:01.06 | Mage__ | lol lol lolll!! :D :D :D @#! |
| 17:01.17 | darkk | firepol: hmm .. it should if you stopped your mysql server before .. check mysql online documentation for details, they talk much on the backup and restore topic. |
| 17:01.17 | green_earz | darkk: but as you can see there is the possability, for Massive change. and it may be a developing nation that make that change. ideal situation free good quality software and more and more pc s. in public use |
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| 17:01.31 | leo | finally my fonts are OK.. |
| 17:01.35 | FieldySnuts | copying a bunch of dirs is NOT enough to back up mysql stuff |
| 17:01.38 | FieldySnuts | so yeah go read |
| 17:01.57 | hackeron | could someone point me to a 2.6 debian installation cd? -- I have an sata controller thats only supported by 2.6 |
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| 17:02.01 | firepol | darkk: well in reality i screwed m,y partition, i found the var folder inside lost+found and i was wondering if that folder is enough or i need to look elsewhere |
| 17:02.06 | Eini | firepol: i use phpmyadmin for such a things |
| 17:02.10 | leo | i thought i was going to die.. nobody know what's a messed up font |
| 17:02.19 | Eini | and then use the web interface |
| 17:02.19 | firepol | Eini: see above |
| 17:02.19 | meds | hackeron: all the sarge cds have 2.6 |
| 17:02.23 | moi | caphuso: but wait.. apache keeps it's root under /var/www .. that wouldn't be suitable ?! |
| 17:02.30 | Eini | okay, forget it |
| 17:02.38 | caphuso | moi: it would be |
| 17:02.40 | darkk | moi: that's why i proposed /var in first place :P |
| 17:02.51 | HansZ | I need some help configuring my Wireless card, I've installed the RT2500 Drivers.. but the lights on the card aren't on |
| 17:03.00 | caphuso | moi: again, you can choose anything that's not obviously stupid |
| 17:03.05 | moi | hum. seems as i need some basical introduction which dir for what part |
| 17:03.09 | moi | ok |
| 17:03.16 | HansZ | I really apreciate help |
| 17:03.22 | hackeron | meds: ah, thanks :) |
| 17:03.40 | meds | HansZ: the linux rt2500 drivers don't work very well for some people. you can try ndiswrapper |
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| 17:03.52 | leo | cahoot: removing the ~/.fonts.config worked, is there anything I have to do in order to replace the removed file? |
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| 17:04.03 | darkk | firepol: hmm i THINK it should be okay |
| 17:04.12 | HansZ | meds: When the card is inserted, i'm getting messages such as "Rt2500 bla blaa.. succesfully loaded" |
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| 17:04.57 | meds | HansZ: just saying what i've read. i'm going to be buying an rt2500 card in the next day or so |
| 17:05.11 | Eini | moi: take a look at http://www.geocities.com/lunatech3007/how-to/html/howto_4.html for Understanding Linux Directories and Files |
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| 17:05.32 | HansZ | meds: OK, i'll try the ndiswrapper |
| 17:05.40 | moi | one last thing. would you recommend to link /var/www into /srv for easy access? |
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| 17:05.47 | moi | thanks Eini i'll have a look |
| 17:05.50 | cahoot | leo: don't think so - kde makes one when one runs it's font config - messes up for others |
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| 17:06.15 | beardy | moi: read man hier |
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| 17:07.24 | moi | hey beardy nice ;) |
| 17:07.27 | spiorf | How can I force a package version with apt-get? |
| 17:07.29 | meds | damn, debian-desktop.org went down when my xorg install was 90% done |
| 17:07.35 | beardy | moi: :) |
| 17:08.03 | firepol | darkk, th, cya |
| 17:08.10 | HansZ | merds: that sucks, I think there servers run M$ xP |
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| 17:09.20 | tarzeau | spiorf: you can't |
| 17:09.35 | leo | cahoot: so with as a normal GNOME user i don't need .fonts.config |
| 17:09.50 | manas | spiorf, use dpkg commands instead |
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| 17:10.29 | seldon | Is there a way to make make-kpkg use a compiler other than gcc? |
| 17:10.30 | cahoot | leo: not necessarily |
| 17:10.50 | tarzeau | seldon: sure |
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| 17:11.00 | tarzeau | seldon: link gcc to tcc for example? |
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| 17:11.14 | spiorf | manas, i'm trying to install gnome-2.10 from experimental |
| 17:11.19 | seldon | Hm. I'd rather not mess with the symlinks. |
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| 17:11.57 | tarzeau | seldon: why not? |
| 17:12.03 | FieldySnuts | !pal spiorf |
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| 17:12.23 | spiorf | :( |
| 17:12.44 | spiorf | this means that is not a good idea, i think |
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| 17:13.10 | seldon | Because I'd end up switching the symlinks back and forth and probably forget something somewhen so that the right compiler uses the wrong preprocessor. |
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| 17:13.31 | seldon | Also, I won't be able to run two make-kpkgs at the same time with different compilers |
| 17:13.32 | K_Dallas | How do i add more keyboard layouts to Sarge-Gnome? thanks |
| 17:13.51 | K_Dallas | (on the task bar there is a language icon but only us in it) |
| 17:14.07 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: RTFM |
| 17:14.16 | K_Dallas | of course |
| 17:14.20 | kzar | Bit of a newbie question but I'm trying to set libcurl to be in the include path of gcc so I can use it but I'm not sure how. |
| 17:14.52 | FieldySnuts | -I (eye) , man gcc |
| 17:15.16 | beardy | K_Dallas: Probably in the Config-center/thing, whatever it is called and located. |
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| 17:15.33 | K_Dallas | i am looking in there, thanks |
| 17:16.06 | steven__ | Whoah! you guys can speak chinese! |
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| 17:17.13 | WhiteRabbit | 5 dollar 5 dollar! |
| 17:17.17 | ibor132 | i have a small problem with permissions on my ntfs partiton - that is, only root can access it. I've fixed this before, but I can't quite remember how. It's set to ro,users in fstab. Anyone have any suggestions? |
| 17:17.27 | sussudio_ | !fix WhiteRabbit |
| 17:17.33 | FieldySnuts | !medal sussudio_ |
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| 17:17.39 | sussudio_ | !fist FieldySnuts |
| 17:17.43 | FieldySnuts | er. |
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| 17:17.46 | FieldySnuts | ok you win |
| 17:17.56 | WhiteRabbit | !lark sussudio_ |
| 17:17.59 | FieldySnuts | t. |
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| 17:18.57 | tilmaniac | hi what do you guys do about unrar on testing? I can't find a package for that distribution |
| 17:19.04 | K_Dallas | cool, it feels good to type in ones tongue ;) thanks beardy |
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| 17:19.12 | mort | ibor132: give options like umode, uid and gid. can't tell you exactly |
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| 17:19.17 | asg | tilmaniac: check non-free, if you must use it |
| 17:19.39 | tilmaniac | asg: I did. There is a package for stable/unstable but not testing |
| 17:19.41 | petroleum | ok, a very newbish question i know... but how do you install a .deb from your /home/user directory? |
| 17:19.50 | ibor132 | mort: i'll go through the manpage again |
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| 17:19.58 | asg | tilmaniac: /msg dpkg why is unrar not in testing ; /msg dpkg why is rar not in testing |
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| 17:20.02 | shingouz | petroleum: dpkg -i foo |
| 17:20.04 | asg | petroleum: dpkg -i |
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| 17:20.08 | ibor132 | petroleum: dpkg -i <packagename> |
| 17:20.11 | petroleum | thanks very much :D |
| 17:20.13 | tilmaniac | asg: thanks |
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| 17:24.06 | tarzeau | tilmaniac: we don't have .rar files |
| 17:24.14 | mklebel | why must i type "source .bash_profile" everytime i log in for my .bash_profile to fully work? |
| 17:24.23 | kzar | turns out I just had to add -lcurl onto the command |
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| 17:26.39 | doleyb | mklebel: try renaming it to .bashrc ? |
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| 17:27.39 | mort | mklebel: try renaming to .profile or put the sourcing into .bashrc |
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| 17:29.22 | beardy | mklebel: What is it that doesn't fully work, does it get read at all? |
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| 17:34.53 | meds | anyone running debian on an ibook g4? |
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| 17:35.31 | mau | hi |
| 17:35.42 | mort | meds: I do |
| 17:35.45 | beardy | meds: Please ask your question. |
| 17:35.49 | mau | do i need to open a special port for dhcp?? |
| 17:35.59 | shingouz | mau: no |
| 17:36.13 | mau | i have problem with dhcp server |
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| 17:36.23 | Putu_Pluto | final fantasy |
| 17:36.27 | shingouz | mau: is it running in the first place |
| 17:36.33 | mau | my laptop can t get his adress from my pc (by wireless) |
| 17:36.46 | mau | i have 2 subnets |
| 17:37.00 | shingouz | mau: is that wireless card the apple airport? |
| 17:37.06 | mau | log just report no |
| 17:37.11 | mau | sorry |
| 17:37.11 | mau | no |
| 17:37.13 | mort | mau: some wlan-drivers have problems with dhcp |
| 17:37.40 | shingouz | mau: does pcmcia see the card? |
| 17:37.46 | mau | yes |
| 17:37.49 | mau | signal is good |
| 17:38.06 | mau | 100% |
| 17:38.14 | meds | beardy: which usb wireless adapter do you use? linux-wlan is horrible |
| 17:38.25 | shingouz | mau: do and ifdown/ifup on the wlan |
| 17:38.43 | mau | ra0 for me |
| 17:38.47 | FlimFlamMan | i'm using apache2 on sarge. when i put an .htaccess file in a directory, the files in that directory are no longer displayed in the directory index in my browser. any idea why that might be? |
| 17:38.59 | mau | i think all the config for this is good |
| 17:39.04 | meds | yeah i was looking at a buffalo airstation something or other with rt2500 chipset |
| 17:39.19 | mort | meds: I run a DWL-122 usb adapter, linux-wlan-ng and it's not so horrible at all |
| 17:39.20 | mau | i use the rt2500 yes |
| 17:39.22 | mklebel | beardy, it wont use my java settings at the end |
| 17:39.37 | mklebel | the java command wont work until i type "source .bash_profile" |
| 17:39.59 | meds | mort: how did you make right click work |
| 17:40.07 | mau | can t u ssh me shingouz?? |
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| 17:40.18 | FieldySnuts | !irritate mau |
| 17:40.19 | dpkg | mau: wenas how can I make my knoppix werkz ????? |
| 17:40.22 | shingouz | mau: no, i will not ssh into your comptuer |
| 17:40.36 | vipersniper | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.47 | mau | k |
| 17:40.52 | mort | meds: with /etc/sysctl.cfg, check with showkeys on a linux-console and write your prefered keys in there |
| 17:41.04 | shingouz | mau: what does ifconfig tell? |
| 17:41.04 | vipersniper | what do i have to add to sources.list to apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 17:41.11 | mort | meds: in #DebianPPC is bot that has a lot answers like that... |
| 17:41.12 | mau | all right.. |
| 17:41.20 | mau | eth0 dhcp |
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| 17:41.25 | mau | eth1 192.168.0.1 |
| 17:41.29 | mau | ra0 192.168.1.1 |
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| 17:41.51 | beardy | mklebel: Do you source your .bashrc in your .bash_profile?, have you tried having that command in .bashrc instead? |
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| 17:41.52 | mort | vipersniper: non-free |
| 17:42.00 | shingouz | mau: paste /etc/network/interfaces in #flood and lets see |
| 17:42.08 | mau | k |
| 17:42.10 | mau | wait 2 sec |
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| 17:42.36 | meds | mort: what's the name of the bot, apt? |
| 17:42.51 | BhAaD | I have a very wierd problem, can anyone help me? I have a laptop running linux (one i'm typing from); and a headless box, The headless box was working fine, but it wont accept the letter 's' through ssh anymore, any ideas ? |
| 17:43.02 | mklebel | no |
| 17:43.15 | mort | meds: ravenbird |
| 17:43.35 | mau | done shin |
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| 17:43.50 | IDC | bed is calling on me ,see you all tomorrow :) |
| 17:43.51 | shingouz | mau: ra0 should be the wireless and run on dhcp? |
| 17:44.03 | IDC | bye shingouz |
| 17:44.15 | shingouz | IDC: see ya |
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| 17:45.20 | shingouz | mau: ping? |
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| 17:45.58 | BhAaD | so does anyone have any idea why i cant type *just* the letter 's' into ssh ? |
| 17:46.05 | BhAaD | i can do everything else |
| 17:46.54 | mau | ra0 is the wireless |
| 17:46.58 | mau | like wlan0 |
| 17:47.09 | beardy | BhAaD: no idea, broken keyboard..? |
| 17:47.17 | shingouz | mau: and is it supposed to take the ip from dhcp? |
| 17:47.26 | mau | no |
| 17:47.30 | BhAaD | beardy: how can keyboard be broken?...i can type sss in here just fine, i'm ssh'ing from my laptop to my box |
| 17:47.36 | mau | it s give adress |
| 17:47.45 | mau | to the laptop normally |
| 17:47.51 | mau | dhcp server listen on ra0 |
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| 17:48.10 | shingouz | mau: what are you trying to do with it? |
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| 17:48.31 | mau | i want make ad-how network |
| 17:48.34 | mau | ad-hoc |
| 17:49.15 | shingouz | mau: so ra0 does not get the ip from a dhcp server? wtf does the dhcp to do with this in that case? |
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| 17:50.01 | cristy | if i use port 2000 with a .c file and my program quits (e.g. conection reset by peer), the next time i run the program i've problems with binding this port..what function should i use for unbinding this port? |
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| 17:50.37 | helloworld | 终于好了 |
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| 17:51.00 | shingouz | helloworld: a bit weird charactres there |
| 17:51.42 | j_k | cristy: see setsockopt(2) iirc. |
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| 17:52.36 | KSM | e ae |
| 17:52.43 | mau | i get web from eth0 by dhcp then i share it (masquerading) with iptables now i use my ra0 to make a wireless ap |
| 17:53.10 | KSM | e ae |
| 17:53.30 | shingouz | i do not think you can actually make the dhcp server to shoot the ip over to another network, mau |
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| 17:54.01 | mau | i made it 1 week ago during 1 month |
| 17:54.02 | shingouz | mau: do you need dhcp on the ad-hoc wlan in anycase, youre not going to have a shitload of computers on it |
| 17:54.03 | mau | so i can |
| 17:54.14 | mau | until 1 week ago |
| 17:54.27 | mau | y u right |
| 17:54.35 | sylvainnn | Hello people, I have a question which is not specific for debian, but very basic maybe somebody can help?? |
| 17:54.47 | mau | so i configure the laptop in static?? |
| 17:55.01 | shingouz | mau: it is on static. at least ra0 is |
| 17:55.16 | mort | sylvainnn: shoot |
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| 17:56.53 | RvGaTe | someone here that has experience with Eggbot ? |
| 17:56.54 | sylvainnn | mort: the problem is that I can not unmount the CDROM device. The cdrom is there and I try to get it out. when I write (as root) the standard command : umount -t etc... it amswers "the device is busy". I would like then to make it FREE but how to do this? (it occurs quite often) |
| 17:57.07 | shingouz | RvGaTe: just ask your question and do not poll |
| 17:57.17 | meds | which package do i run dpkg-reconfigure on to be asked about font options and defoma? |
| 17:57.34 | RvGaTe | shingouz: i know, but maybe that is my question.. lol |
| 17:57.41 | shingouz | !anyone |
| 17:57.42 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 17:57.44 | mort | sylvainnn: are you in the mounted directory? |
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| 17:57.50 | shingouz | RvGaTe: and there is your answer |
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| 17:57.57 | sylvainnn | mort: no |
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| 17:58.06 | j_k | RvGaTe: you may want to /join #eggdrop, if that's what you meant. |
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| 17:58.16 | RvGaTe | j_k: im already in there |
| 17:58.18 | leOn | hello |
| 17:58.22 | beardy | sylvainnn: Is there any program that still uses the cdrom? |
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| 17:58.29 | sylvainnn | mort: should I try in the mounteds directory? |
| 17:58.33 | zaikxtox | hello . someone knows how to enable tv out on an nvidia card using nvtv? i'm using sarge |
| 17:58.41 | sylvainnn | beardy: no, as least I do not find one |
| 17:58.59 | chealer | hi. I made a custom kernel, and booting it gives a lot of "modprobe : FATAL: could not find existingfile" errors, that indicate that mounting the root filesystem failed. the problem is that this error is repeated so much that I can't see what comes before it. I remember that compiling there was an option about the size of the kernel buffer or something like that. do I have to recompile the kernel with an increased value for that option to se |
| 17:59.33 | shingouz | chealer: initrd or no initrd? |
| 17:59.36 | FlimFlamMan | using apache2 on debian-sarge - my browser will not show an index for any directory that has a htaccess file in it, or if any of its parent directories has an htaccess file. what's up wit dat?? |
| 17:59.43 | chealer | shingouz: initrd. |
| 17:59.51 | zaikxtox | i try things like nvtv -t -r 800,600 -s Large but it says that don't know that modes |
| 17:59.52 | chealer | the boot ends in a kernel panic |
| 17:59.55 | sylvainnn | mort: I went to the mounted directory and tried there, the same answer |
| 18:00.08 | shingouz | chealer: does it find the root filesystem at all? |
| 18:00.17 | mort | sylvainnn: no, you should _not_ be in the mounted directory. try ps aux, and try if you see your drive somewhere |
| 18:00.20 | j_k | chealer: is there something that prevents you to make a non-initrd kernel ? |
| 18:00.34 | j_k | chealer: that'll be alot easier and less prone to failure. |
| 18:00.43 | chealer | shingouz: I guess no, but...I'd like to see those errors :) |
| 18:01.01 | sylvainnn | well, before I was NOT in the directory... ok, trying ps aux |
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| 18:01.15 | HansZ | Can someone help me? I just installed ndiswrapper, And when trying to install the drivers, it says it's Invalid |
| 18:01.26 | chealer | j_k: not really, I was under the impression that it would be easier, but...I guess I'll try without if I get no clue about the problem |
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| 18:02.08 | j_k | chealer: the interest of initrd kernels in debian is that your debian kernel isn't bloated with drivers for everyone's possible root filesystem. |
| 18:02.10 | mort | sylvainnn: better: do "lsof /cdrom/mountpoint/" and you'll see what app is using it |
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| 18:02.27 | j_k | chealer: but if you make a custom kernel, you know what you're going to need and what you're not. |
| 18:02.28 | sylvainnn | mort: there is a lot of things with ps aux coming out, what does it mean? I m interested ... |
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| 18:02.35 | shingouz | chealer: i have no clue about what is wrong there. non-initrd, static drivers for the root fs including all the necessary hardware drivers and you should be set |
| 18:03.12 | mort | sylvainnn: ps aux shows alll running processes. but try the lsof thing first. |
| 18:03.38 | sylvainnn | mort: bash: lsof: command not found |
| 18:04.02 | shingouz | sylvainnn: install it |
| 18:04.04 | Subvertir | apt-get install lsof |
| 18:04.06 | mort | sylvainnn: apt-get it ;-) |
| 18:04.06 | chealer | j_k: yeah...I've been mostly told about that |
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| 18:04.43 | sylvainnn | mort sorry as I have said this is not about debian, I am Mandrake user. but please do not send me to Mandrake channel, they are unfriendly ... |
| 18:04.56 | simonrvn | @installit |
| 18:04.57 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 18:05.04 | Subvertir | hahahahaha |
| 18:05.08 | Subvertir | what, #debian is friendly? |
| 18:05.08 | chealer | j_k, shingouz: honestly, I made a first try without initrd, then red more of kpkg's README.gz, and then made one because of "NOTE: if you have instructed your boot loader to expect initrd kernels (which is the norm for recent official kernel image packages) you need to add --initrd to the line above," |
| 18:05.13 | shingouz | sylvainnn: how the hell are we supposed to help you here? |
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| 18:05.19 | Subvertir | when the hell did this come about? |
| 18:05.36 | j_k | chealer: ... or to instruct it not to :-) |
| 18:05.50 | sylvainnn | OK, I shall try to get lsof anyway |
| 18:05.53 | sylvainnn | thanx |
| 18:05.55 | sylvainnn | bye |
| 18:05.56 | shingouz | chealer: just comment out the initrd=/initrd.img from lilo.conf |
| 18:06.11 | mort | sylvainnn: yeah, since when is #debian friendly? mandrake must have a package maintaing system or something... else get the source and compile |
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| 18:06.14 | shingouz | !lart sylvainnn |
| 18:06.23 | chealer | j_k: yeah...I suppose learning some GRUB will just be some more fun :-P |
| 18:06.28 | rob_lt | urpmi for mandy |
| 18:06.43 | j_k | chealer: and it'll be handy the day you run into trouble ! |
| 18:06.45 | chealer | shingouz, j_k: ok...I'm going to compile a third time :) |
| 18:06.51 | shingouz | chealer: not a big deal that one, grub has to have some config file too, just comment out the initrd part |
| 18:07.07 | shingouz | chealer: get some caffine and tylenol too while youre at it ;) |
| 18:07.08 | cristy | how could i find my ip address using c? |
| 18:07.56 | rob_lt | sylvainnn: you have gone here http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/? Then urpmi lsof. |
| 18:08.00 | j_k | cristy: gethostname then gethostbyname. |
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| 18:08.06 | chealer | shingouz: err, yeah, if geekness asks for it, I'll get medicine |
| 18:08.17 | shingouz | chealer: :) |
| 18:08.33 | j_k | cristy: but bind to INADDR_ANY or let the user configure it. |
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| 18:08.41 | shingouz | sylvainnn: #mandrake (or whatever the channel is called) |
| 18:10.10 | cristy | j_k: i've used bind to INADDR_ANY with my server, but now, i must write my client part..and i have to transmit client's ip address to the server |
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| 18:11.26 | iostream | Hi. Has anyone experience with using "nordic" characters (latin-1) and samba? The characteres show up as _ (underscore).. How can I fix this? |
| 18:11.27 | j_k | chealer: then you need getsockname |
| 18:11.55 | j_k | chealer: to get the address of your side of the connexion. |
| 18:12.06 | chealer | cristy: I think j_k is talking to you |
| 18:12.20 | karamelos | hingwah, do the +2.6.10 debianized kernels include the low latency and capabilities patches? |
| 18:12.27 | j_k | cristy, chealer, yes sorry, tab key abuse :-) |
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| 18:12.57 | hingwah | karamelos: ?? |
| 18:13.07 | j_k | karamelos: no they don't as far as I know. |
| 18:13.35 | j_k | karamelos: you need to patch and build your own. |
| 18:13.36 | karamelos | hingwah, , sorry, I typed hi and xchat filled the rest of your nick :~ |
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| 18:13.53 | hingwah | karamelos: never mind,u are not the first one |
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| 18:14.13 | beardy | iostream: "character set = ISO8859-1" man smb.conf, search "character set" |
| 18:14.29 | karamelos | j_k, are those patches available for 2.6 kernel series, I couldn find debian packages for them? |
| 18:14.44 | FlimFlamMan | let's say i have /sub1/sub2/sub3, and they all contain some files and other directories. i can access them and see them all with my browser. |
| 18:14.44 | FlimFlamMan | then i create /sub1/sub2/.htaccess, containing only: "require user flim" ... |
| 18:14.44 | FlimFlamMan | now when i access /sub1/ , sub2 has disappeared from the index listing |
| 18:14.44 | FlimFlamMan | and when i type in /sub1/sub2/ explicitly and log in as flim, none of the files in /sub1/sub2/ are displayed at all. |
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| 18:14.51 | j_k | karamelos: I don't think they are packaged. |
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| 18:15.15 | FlimFlamMan | ??? |
| 18:15.30 | whm | kicked :) |
| 18:15.43 | FlimFlamMan | i know, ??? is about my problem above :-) |
| 18:16.02 | whm | don't know flood?? |
| 18:16.06 | iostream | beardy: "character set" : pattern not found.. Isn't character set only 2.x ? Or am I mistaken? |
| 18:16.10 | FlimFlamMan | didn't know what the limit was here |
| 18:16.38 | j_k | karamelos: see http://www.affenbande.org/~tapas/wiki/indexindex.php?Low%20latency%20for%20audio%20work%20on%20linux%202.6.x |
| 18:17.01 | j_k | karamelos: there are pointers to different patches there I think. |
| 18:17.55 | karamelos | j_k, I get url not found. |
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| 18:18.02 | j_k | karamelos: the realtime-lsm stuff is packaged however. |
| 18:18.03 | Epod69 | hey everyone |
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| 18:18.32 | j_k | karamelos: yeah it's index.php instead of indexindex.php |
| 18:18.38 | Epod69 | is it possible to use xorg with debian.. |
| 18:18.49 | shingouz | !xorg |
| 18:18.50 | dpkg | i guess xorg is X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 18:19.08 | karamelos | j_k, afaik realtime-lsm is a succesor of capabilities for 2.6 kernels |
| 18:19.13 | tid-wave | hello! why does andale mono look so ugly in konsole? ( http://www.iq-net.ro/~ovidiu/snapshot7.png ) |
| 18:19.20 | mulder | people do you help me? |
| 18:19.30 | beardy | iostream: That's possible. That's what I'm running here so.. Try asking in #samba, or google. |
| 18:19.34 | meds | mort: what does your /etc/sysctl.conf look like. i've sort of got middle click but nothing else works |
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| 18:19.37 | shingouz | !tell mulder about ask |
| 18:20.27 | j_k | karamelos: realtime-lsm allows members of a group you choose to run with realtime priorities. |
| 18:20.48 | Epod69 | well i am new to debian and was using gentoo and I was using xorg and all I could find was Xfree86...is this pretty much the same.. |
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| 18:21.01 | j_k | karamelos: which is kind of very useful if you want to take advantage of the low latency stuff. |
| 18:21.04 | PerfDave | Epod69: Yes, it is pretty much the same for 99% of things. |
| 18:21.14 | silverton | okay, I can't figure out where the hell the kernel tree is put, the last time I had a debian system, it was in /usr/src/ |
| 18:21.18 | mulder | i install knoppix in to hdd, and don`t reinstall lilo. |
| 18:21.27 | PerfDave | mulder: #knoppix |
| 18:21.27 | shingouz | silverton: it shoudl be there |
| 18:21.34 | shingouz | mulder: #knoppix |
| 18:21.38 | silverton | shingouz, but it's not >.< |
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| 18:21.56 | shingouz | silverton: you used apt-get to get it? |
| 18:22.03 | iostream | beardy: Been to #samba... Kind of dead there... And google gives nothing... But I will keep looking :) |
| 18:22.03 | mort | meds: check man sysctl. do you want me to past my sysctl.conf somewhere? |
| 18:22.11 | silverton | yes |
| 18:22.16 | silverton | er, shiner840, yes |
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| 18:22.22 | silverton | gah... >.< |
| 18:22.25 | silverton | shingouz, |
| 18:22.27 | meds | mort: i read it but it's not fully working, pm me if you like |
| 18:22.35 | beardy | iostream: Good luck to you :) |
| 18:22.37 | shiner840 | haha... damn tab complete huh |
| 18:22.39 | shingouz | silverton: dpkg -L foo should tell you where it got installed |
| 18:22.40 | iostream | beardy: Thanks :) |
| 18:22.45 | rob_lt | silverton: do a dpkg -L <package you just installed> |
| 18:22.46 | shingouz | shiner840: yup :) |
| 18:23.07 | karamelos | j_k, I had installed the realtime-lsm module for 2.6.10 kernel before but couldn't even start jack with qjackctl, I will read that page, thanks. |
| 18:23.12 | silverton | shiner840, yes, sorry :P |
| 18:23.20 | Epod69 | i cant seem to get it to work though...if I type XFree86 -configure, i think it guesses the wrong video card cause it says it needs glide drivers. And what is the mouse? I cant get the mouse to work. /dev/input/mice doesnt work and neither does /dev/mouse |
| 18:23.21 | shingouz | silverton: alternatively updatedb and locate foo |
| 18:23.24 | silverton | what the hell... it's in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 18:23.36 | shingouz | Epod69: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 18:23.39 | PerfDave | Epod69: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
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| 18:23.46 | shiner840 | hehe... np silverton |
| 18:23.48 | mulder | version debian life on cd |
| 18:23.52 | PerfDave | shingouz: drxx won't work after "XFree86 -configure" |
| 18:23.58 | shingouz | !knoopixsmite mulder |
| 18:24.01 | PerfDave | mulder: No, Knoppix is not Debian. #knoppix |
| 18:24.03 | shingouz | !knoppixsmite mulder |
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| 18:24.34 | Skyblaze | anyone knows about the rhythmbox patch to support the covers? |
| 18:24.37 | shingouz | mulder: is it sunday where you live? |
| 18:24.40 | silverton | shingouz, there are only two things in the directory... "changelog.Debian.gz" and "copyright" |
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| 18:24.47 | silverton | From previous experience, that isn't quite right |
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| 18:24.58 | shingouz | silverton: no it is not. you sure you installed it? |
| 18:25.08 | silverton | Yes |
| 18:25.15 | Epod69 | what location does everyone else use for the mouse ? |
| 18:25.21 | silverton | kernel-tree-2.6.8 is already the newest version. |
| 18:25.48 | beardy | iostream: maybe this works? http://tinyurl.com/aucum |
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| 18:26.00 | shingouz | silverton: you are going to compile a custom kernel? if that is the case, kernel-source, not kernel-tree |
| 18:26.02 | Epod69 | is there debian documentation online I can look at for configuring X |
| 18:26.04 | Xgates | hey guys, and gals :-) |
| 18:26.06 | Xgates | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:26.28 | shingouz | Xgates: compile flags? this is DEbian, not Gentoo |
| 18:26.46 | silverton | shingouz, I need the tree to install the nvidia video card "drivers" |
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| 18:27.00 | shingouz | silverton: hmm |
| 18:27.03 | Xgates | I was talking to the DEV Team at Ubuntu and I know that since it's Debian based you guys might use it or know them, and I found out they compile the whole distro and software as -mcpu=pentium4 not doing it as -mcpu=i686 |
| 18:27.11 | shingouz | !tell silverton about nvidia |
| 18:27.32 | shingouz | !knoppixsmite Xgates |
| 18:27.33 | Phated | Or nvidia one-liner. |
| 18:27.48 | silverton | :-/ |
| 18:27.58 | Xgates | so I'm trying to find some online info URL that shows why you would not pick a specific cpu to compile on but instead would go with -mcpu=i686 which is more generic across the board and better for all cpus |
| 18:28.04 | paulswm | I love that knoppixsmite. |
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| 18:28.13 | PerfDave | Xgates: Uhm, most of Debian is compiled for i386, not i686 |
| 18:28.15 | shingouz | Xgates: www.google.com is a good place to start |
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| 18:28.27 | PerfDave | Xgates: It wouldn't run on my 486 and Pentium otherwise. |
| 18:28.27 | mulder | i live in russua, and i bad speake in englesh |
| 18:28.33 | PerfDave | !ru |
| 18:28.33 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 18:28.54 | shingouz | mulder: you are in the wrong place now. if you run knoppix, ask in #knoppix |
| 18:29.12 | Xgates | PerfDave: I think the start arch is i386 on Debian but its optimized up to i686 as in ---> -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 |
| 18:29.17 | mulder | ok |
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| 18:29.32 | PerfDave | Xgates: Hmm, I'm not familiar with that sort of thing, to be honest. |
| 18:29.38 | shingouz | Xgates: if it is optimized to 686 it will not run on a 386. period |
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| 18:29.42 | Xgates | shingouz: I know that been compiling 5 years, just dont know any URLS is all thats why I asked |
| 18:30.08 | Epod69 | how come if you install a desktop manager like blackbox, it doesnt install everything else needed to use it such as XFree86, I took me forever trying to find it since there was no xorg |
| 18:30.21 | Xgates | shingouz: do you know what -march=i386 means? that means the starting point cpu is for that |
| 18:30.29 | shingouz | Xgates: i am not sure but in this case i think gentoo might have a clue on this |
| 18:30.41 | silverton | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian $NVDIST main contrib non-free |
| 18:30.43 | sepski | Epod69, maybe you wanted to run your blackbox on a remote xserver.. |
| 18:30.44 | silverton | that isn't working :-/ |
| 18:30.50 | Xgates | -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 means it will START at a i386 and be optimized all the way up to a i686 |
| 18:30.51 | Xgates | :-) |
| 18:30.59 | rob_lt | I think Xgates is right about the 386/686 thing though, I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. |
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| 18:31.08 | Gathond | Epod69: probably because you could actually use blackbox over a network connection, and in that case would only need XFree86 on the machine displaying stuff |
| 18:31.25 | chealer | silverton: what's $NVDIST's value? |
| 18:31.35 | shingouz | Xgates: you may be rifght there but i still think your best bet might be either gentoo or google |
| 18:31.53 | Epod69 | well i ended up downloaded like 5 different XFree86 packages to get XFree86 to even run, and I still cant get the mouse to work |
| 18:31.57 | PerfDave | Perhaps it's that -mcpu=pentium4 is good for Intel but offers no advantage for AMD processors, and -mcpu=i686 is reasonable for both. |
| 18:32.00 | Xgates | SORRY I did not clarify this I'm not a compiling noob hehe I know this all for a fact I've been compiing for 5 years straight in Slackware I'm jsut asking you guys because I dont know any compile URLS is all |
| 18:32.02 | Xgates | lol |
| 18:32.14 | PerfDave | Epod69: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 18:32.14 | silverton | chealer, what is it supposed to be? |
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| 18:32.24 | silverton | chealer, nevermind |
| 18:32.25 | silverton | wow |
| 18:32.30 | Xgates | and thought maybe you guys might know some Ubuntu ppl too |
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| 18:32.41 | PerfDave | Xgates: Ask #ubuntu, they know Ubuntu people. |
| 18:32.45 | shingouz | Xgates: this is not ubuntu ffs |
| 18:32.58 | Xgates | yeah I know they dont know much in there |
| 18:32.59 | Xgates | ;-) |
| 18:33.00 | Epod69 | PerfDave: all that command does is tell me to look at log file... |
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| 18:33.06 | shingouz | Xgates: sunday where you live? |
| 18:33.09 | PerfDave | Epod69: Have you looked at the log file? |
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| 18:33.26 | paulswm | compiling for 5 years sounds like what would happen if I installed gentoo on my old P133 32MB |
| 18:33.28 | PerfDave | Epod69: And that's not all it tells you. Read it. |
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| 18:33.39 | rob_lt | Epod69: apt-get install x-window-system or x-window-system-core |
| 18:33.49 | shingouz | Epod69: what is the problem you have there? ask and see if we can help with the particular problem |
| 18:33.51 | rob_lt | to make sure you have everything you need |
| 18:34.01 | evilgeek | can someone remind me of the name of the package that one uses in order to create dummy packages and thereby satisfy some dependencies? |
| 18:34.02 | Epod69 | i would have to disconnect this xp computer, then plug in everything in to the other computer, look at the log file, then connect the other computer back up just to tell you what it says... |
| 18:34.19 | PerfDave | Epod69: So IRC from your Debian box :) |
| 18:34.27 | Epod69 | all I want to know is what the mouse should be set to cause /dev/input/mice doesnt work, what do you use? |
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| 18:34.45 | shingouz | Epod69: it should work. usb or ps/2? |
| 18:34.48 | Epod69 | PerfDave, is there a teminal version |
| 18:34.53 | Epod69 | ps/2 |
| 18:35.00 | PerfDave | Epod69: irssi, in package irssi-text |
| 18:35.02 | shingouz | Epod69: /dev/psaux |
| 18:35.05 | Phated | irssi! |
| 18:35.07 | PerfDave | Epod69: Depends what your mouse is. Read your X log file, check the md5sum since you did something stupid like "XFree86 -configure", refigure it. |
| 18:35.37 | Xgates | shingouz: sunday? |
| 18:35.38 | Epod69 | even if i do xf86cfg, no matter what I set it to it doesnt work |
| 18:35.52 | shingouz | Xgates: yes. is it sunday where you are now? |
| 18:35.54 | Epod69 | xorg worked when I typed /dev/input/mice, but that was with gentoo |
| 18:36.00 | PerfDave | Epod69: Oh, I give up. You're clearly too inane to read. |
| 18:36.19 | Epod69 | PerfDave: what do u mean? |
| 18:36.26 | beardy | iostream: this is for samba 3.0.6 at least http://tinyurl.com/dglbb |
| 18:36.29 | Xgates | shingouz: Maui |
| 18:36.32 | Epod69 | oh /dev/psaux i should use? |
| 18:36.35 | shingouz | Epod69: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:36.47 | PerfDave | Epod69: I mean you've been told everything you need to know to fix your damn problem, but you're too busy whining about xorg and Gentoo to fix it. |
| 18:36.52 | iostream | beardy: Looking at it.. |
| 18:36.55 | chealer | evilgeek: equivs? |
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| 18:37.07 | namnar | hello |
| 18:37.15 | shingouz | Xgates: so *is* it sunday there. should be judging from your answers |
| 18:37.17 | shingouz | grr... |
| 18:37.21 | iostream | beardy: Funny thing though.. When I create a file with special characters in explorer, it shows up correct in explorer, but wrong with ls |
| 18:37.39 | evilgeek | chealer: yeah! thanks. |
| 18:37.52 | schrankwand | Hi, sometimes when I try to play a song (mp3 or from CD) it works sometimes it doesn't. What could be the reason? |
| 18:38.04 | Xgates | shingouz: no saturday morning 8:42am |
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| 18:38.20 | shingouz | Xgates: you could have fooled me... |
| 18:38.35 | PerfDave | schrankwand: In what way "doesn't work"? |
| 18:38.48 | PerfDave | schrankwand: What program are you trying to use to play these songs, and what version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:38.48 | shingouz | !doesn't work |
| 18:38.48 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:38.55 | beardy | iostream: annoying.. well I guess you have to either fix it, or choose which one you most want to be correct then.. |
| 18:39.01 | schrankwand | I dont hear something but no error message is shown |
| 18:39.08 | iostream | beardy: Yeah :) |
| 18:39.18 | schrankwand | PerfDave schrankwand: What program are you trying to use to play these songs, and what version of Debian are you running? | bmp and xmms |
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| 18:39.35 | shingouz | schrankwand: try starting the app from a terminal, you shoudl see errors there |
| 18:39.36 | BrianAnthony | hi |
| 18:39.45 | PerfDave | schrankwand: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:39.53 | schrankwand | sarge |
| 18:40.01 | schrankwand | kernel 2.6.11.8 |
| 18:40.07 | BrianAnthony | My gnome panels keep flashing. I changed the background color from solid to none, and it won't stop flashin. |
| 18:40.08 | mohadib | schrankwand: do you have teh pcm and master volumn unmuted |
| 18:40.10 | BrianAnthony | flashing, even |
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| 18:40.18 | Epod69 | im not whining, i just like to know how things work. I am 2 months new to linux and am still trying to understand everything, so why doesnt /dev/input/mice work |
| 18:40.30 | BrianAnthony | How do I get rid of gnome, entirely? |
| 18:40.39 | shingouz | Epod69: because the mouse is on /dev/psaux |
| 18:40.45 | sepski | Epod69, maybe you dont have the correct modules loaded. |
| 18:40.49 | sepski | !devinputmice |
| 18:40.49 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
| 18:40.51 | mohadib | BrianAnthony: dpkg --purge gnome-desktop-environment ? |
| 18:40.53 | schrankwand | mohadib schrankwand: do you have teh pcm and master volumn unmute | i don't know :/ |
| 18:40.54 | Xgates | shingouz: why? |
| 18:40.55 | shingouz | Epod69: hmm.. what kernel? |
| 18:40.59 | PerfDave | BrianAnthony: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 18:41.06 | shingouz | Xgates: you do not want to know |
| 18:41.31 | Epod69 | i dont know..i think it was a 2.4 kernel =( |
| 18:41.31 | PerfDave | schrankwand: Can you stop that copy and pasting crap? It's annoying and hard to follow. |
| 18:41.31 | Epod69 | do you know how to change it to 2.6 |
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| 18:41.31 | PerfDave | Epod69: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 18:41.35 | shingouz | Epod69: yes, with apt-get install |
| 18:41.35 | Epod69 | all i did was a netinst and a destktop setup |
| 18:41.50 | schrankwand | shingouz schrankwand: try starting the app from a terminal, you shoudl see errors there | i have try this and i don't see errors. i just don't hear something |
| 18:42.09 | shingouz | schrankwand: stop that copy paste shit please |
| 18:42.10 | schrankwand | sorry |
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| 18:42.16 | iostream | beardy: Hey.. Great :) That did the trick (the URL).. |
| 18:42.37 | PerfDave | schrankwand: Does this happen with some files? Always the same files? Any CD? All CDs? |
| 18:42.40 | rob_lt | Epod69: fyi, in the future, you can pass linux26 to the netinst when it first boots up, and it will automagically install a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 18:42.55 | crylyx | ,nvidia |
| 18:42.55 | iostream | beardy: Thanks alot :) Saved me a lot of trouble. |
| 18:42.56 | shingouz | i need a smoke and some caffeine or i will lart someone just for the hell of it :) |
| 18:43.00 | crylyx | ,nvidia-one-liner |
| 18:43.04 | Epod69 | will dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 bring me to the graphical setup it did in the first place ? |
| 18:43.07 | crylyx | whats the bot prefix? |
| 18:43.12 | shingouz | crylyx: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 18:43.24 | mohadib | lart? |
| 18:43.30 | crylyx | shingouz: thx |
| 18:43.30 | sepski | Epod69, read the debian reference, it should get you up to speed on the basics atlest http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 18:43.31 | schrankwand | I have try it with different files and CDs. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't with the same song |
| 18:43.32 | shingouz | Epod69: yes if you consider ncurses graphical |
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| 18:43.41 | sloopy | shingouz: hmmm union break, sounds like a good idea :') |
| 18:43.47 | Xgates | shingouz: oh trying to HaXor me huh? |
| 18:43.48 | Xgates | LOL |
| 18:43.55 | shingouz | !lol |
| 18:43.55 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. |
| 18:43.55 | Epod69 | shingouz: heh, ok |
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| 18:44.09 | sepski | crylyx, use /msg, that way you dont need prefix, and we dont have to read your chatter |
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| 18:46.58 | PerfDave | schrankwand: When it stops working, how do you start it working again? |
| 18:47.13 | schrankwand | i reboot |
| 18:47.19 | PerfDave | schrankwand: *shudder* |
| 18:47.27 | schrankwand | sometimes it works after a reboot |
| 18:47.42 | PerfDave | schrankwand: It only works after a reboot sometimes? What do you do if it doesn't??? |
| 18:48.09 | Xgates | later all |
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| 18:48.29 | schrankwand | PerfDave: I come here in the channel and ask for help ;) |
| 18:48.40 | deadcat | do we have gmake? |
| 18:49.41 | PerfDave | schrankwand: Rebooting is rarely a good idea. It's better to *fix* problems. |
| 18:49.48 | PerfDave | schrankwand: Do you know whether you're using ALSA? |
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| 18:50.27 | schrankwand | i don't know |
| 18:50.31 | PerfDave | schrankwand: More to the point, does the command "lsmod | grep snd_" show up any output? |
| 18:50.31 | silverton | ok... debian has pissed me the fuck off... |
| 18:50.53 | deadcat | silverton: for the last time? (= |
| 18:50.59 | silverton | As soon as I'm done with a netinst, it'll go into gnome |
| 18:51.04 | deadcat | cant seem to find gmake. what up? |
| 18:51.07 | silverton | but, when I restart, it doesn't |
| 18:51.17 | liquide | do startx |
| 18:51.18 | liquide | ;) |
| 18:51.30 | liquide | or.. actually.. did you install xfree86 and such? |
| 18:51.46 | silverton | liquide: "failed to initialize core devices" |
| 18:51.57 | silverton | liquide: um...obviously, if I had a gui before I restarted |
| 18:52.12 | schrankwand | PerfDave: no lines returned |
| 18:52.32 | silverton | This happened last night too, so I reinstalled |
| 18:52.34 | PerfDave | schrankwand: Bah, that's my first clever idea out the window. |
| 18:52.43 | PerfDave | schrankwand: What core devices does it fail to initialise? |
| 18:52.44 | silverton | last night, I tried reconfiguring xserver, but that didn't do anything |
| 18:53.18 | schrankwand | i don't use a module for sonud i have sound compiled into the kernel |
| 18:54.04 | silverton | PerfDave: talking to me about the core devices? |
| 18:54.28 | PerfDave | silverton: Well, "failed to initialise core devices" is more of a summary than an actual error. |
| 18:54.35 | PerfDave | schrankwand: You've got a hand-compiled kernel? |
| 18:54.46 | schrankwand | yes |
| 18:54.48 | silverton | well, above that, it's says some shit about not being about to find the mouse |
| 18:55.05 | silverton | "cannot open device /dev/psaux |
| 18:55.51 | whm | thereis something in my lsmod like "ns87415 4296 0 [permanent] |
| 18:55.51 | whm | cy82c693 4740 0 [permanent] |
| 18:55.51 | whm | amd74xx 13788 0 [permanent] |
| 18:55.51 | whm | sis5513 16200 0 [permanent] |
| 18:55.52 | whm | via82cxxx 13532 0 [permanent] |
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| 18:55.54 | PerfDave | schrankwand: Why? |
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| 18:56.16 | schrankwand | wahat, why? |
| 18:56.18 | whm | what's them problem |
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| 18:56.45 | toukitsune | what is exim? |
| 18:56.49 | whm | what's the mean of permanent |
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| 18:56.51 | PerfDave | toukitsune: It's a Mail Transfer Agent |
| 18:56.57 | PerfDave | silverton: There's obviously something different in your mouse setup between the netinst boot (on the netinst kernel, presumably) and the kernel-image you have installed. |
| 18:57.05 | toukitsune | PerfDave: is it something I need to have on my computer? |
| 18:57.07 | silverton | PerfDave: how do I reconfigure the mouse then? |
| 18:57.08 | PerfDave | silverton: If reconfiguring your x server didn't work, /msg dpkg x md5sum |
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| 18:57.16 | ssb | !exim |
| 18:57.16 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 18:57.24 | Rawplayer | !wine |
| 18:57.24 | dpkg | it has been said that wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 18:57.29 | PerfDave | toukitsune: Your system needs *a* Mail Transfer Agent. It doesn't have to be exim. There's no real problem with having it on your system. |
| 18:57.37 | asg | toukitsune: it's a mail transport agent. You need it on your system or things like cron and other system tools will break. |
| 18:57.47 | silverton | PerfDave: I didn't hand edit my X config file |
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| 18:57.57 | PerfDave | silverton: Did you check the md5sums? |
| 18:58.05 | PerfDave | schrankwand: Why do you compile your own kernel? It's rarely useful and makes it much harder for people to help you when you have problems (and more likely that you'll have problems in the first place). |
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| 18:58.19 | meds | i think i have the wrong fonts dpi setting, how do i change it |
| 18:58.29 | asg | meds: how do you usually start X? |
| 18:58.35 | meds | startx |
| 18:58.43 | asg | meds: edit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 18:58.56 | Eini | hi again... i dont know, if i should concerned, but i am: if i type "mount" there are nearly 20 time entries with "proc...", "devpts..." and "sysfs..." what to do ? |
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| 18:59.12 | hackeron | I try to boot with linux26 root=/dev/sda3 but it says unknown superblock 0,0 -- its a sata drive with debian, any suggestions? |
| 18:59.27 | hackeron | (bios refuses to boot from the drive since its on an sata controller) |
| 18:59.32 | PerfDave | hackeron: Does your kernel have SATA support? |
| 18:59.45 | meds | asg: what about with xdm |
| 18:59.46 | silverton | PerfDave: says they are identical |
| 18:59.48 | hackeron | PerfDave: donno, does it? -- I'm using the latest sid livecd |
| 19:00.01 | hackeron | PerfDave: should it matter, isnt initrd there to rescue me if a module isnt loaded? |
| 19:00.04 | shift__ | I'm getting RPC errors mounting an nfs filesystem on my debian box. more /proc/filesystems |grep nfs returns nothing. Do I have to recompile my kernel to include nfs support? (Using the stock 2.6.8 kernel from the netinst CD) |
| 19:00.05 | asg | meds: find out how xdm's session files invoke X (and edit the -dpi accordingly.) |
| 19:00.08 | ibor132 | what would it mean if I was trying to mount a vfat partition at /music, when /music is an empty dir and the partition is NOT mounted, i always get the error "/dev/sda1 already mounted or /music busy". It's set up properly in my fstab (as far as I can tell) |
| 19:00.22 | lyosha | Hello. I have a problem with hot-plugging in gnome. I plug in a removable drive and gnome tries to mount /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1. How would I fix it? |
| 19:00.35 | PerfDave | hackeron: "latest sid livecd"? |
| 19:00.42 | hackeron | PerfDave: I mean install cd, sorry :) |
| 19:00.43 | silverton | sid has a livecd? |
| 19:00.47 | schrankwand | PerfDave: it is not much more work to compile a new kernel than update a kernel by installing image. Above all a kernel compiled for my machine is faster than a default-kernel. |
| 19:00.49 | silverton | oh =/ |
| 19:00.50 | PerfDave | sid has an install CD? |
| 19:00.56 | PerfDave | silverton: Wrong, and wrong :) |
| 19:01.00 | PerfDave | Whoops |
| 19:01.03 | PerfDave | schrankwand: Wrong, and wrong. |
| 19:01.09 | schrankwand | no |
| 19:01.25 | PerfDave | schrankwand: *shrug* Your kernel, your sound drivers. If you're not running a kernel-image, I can't help you. |
| 19:02.32 | silverton | PerfDave: help me then :D lol |
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| 19:03.23 | PerfDave | silverton: Well, if "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" is working, you just need to find the right settings for your mouse device. |
| 19:03.30 | Supaplex | there's like nothing on gimp.org or twain.org about each other. how do I aquire images from my scanner into the gimp, or something else? |
| 19:03.35 | silverton | PerfDave: okay |
| 19:03.39 | Supaplex | there's no aquire option on the menu |
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| 19:03.56 | PerfDave | shift_: You shouldn't need to. Debian kernel-images have NFS client support built in, assuming they need it. |
| 19:03.56 | shingouz | Supaplex: sane |
| 19:04.19 | shingouz | !tell Supaplex about sane |
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| 19:04.56 | hackeron | PerfDave: so, no ideas? |
| 19:04.57 | shingouz | Supaplex: of course you can apt-get it in place which is the recommended way to install stuff on debian |
| 19:05.18 | hackeron | PerfDave: this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 19:05.28 | silverton | PerfDave: how the hell can a mouse keep it from showing video though? |
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| 19:05.56 | shingouz | hackeron: you installed Sid on your computer? |
| 19:06.11 | useruser | !online |
| 19:06.11 | dpkg | methinks online is The term refers to anything that's on the Internet, as in "I've got this great online magazine for you to check out at www.ugeek.com." |
| 19:06.19 | sussudio_ | !hackeron |
| 19:06.19 | dpkg | [Hackeron] Someone very very stupid, who should really have been disposed off at birth. |
| 19:06.30 | hackeron | hmm |
| 19:06.45 | shingouz | sussudio_: that a real factoid? |
| 19:06.55 | sussudio_ | shingouz: yes. |
| 19:07.00 | shingouz | sussudio_: scary :) |
| 19:07.13 | whm | anyone use kernel 2.6.11-k7??? |
| 19:07.19 | toresbe | yes |
| 19:07.20 | tarzeau | !anyone |
| 19:07.21 | toresbe | several |
| 19:07.24 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 19:07.32 | PerfDave | hackeron: That's not a sid install CD, taht's a Sarge install CD. |
| 19:07.45 | sussudio_ | shingouz: it's not often that someone who's been running debian for years remains such a total and utter fucking cluebie like hackeron. |
| 19:07.59 | anyone | ya i use 2.6.11 |
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| 19:08.10 | shingouz | sussudio_: i see... :) |
| 19:08.11 | whm | have error message when booting use kernel 2.6.11-1-k7?? |
| 19:08.17 | jaibeee | hello everyone |
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| 19:08.29 | shingouz | whm: and the error message is? |
| 19:08.38 | silverton | PerfDave: it's just not working |
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| 19:09.02 | doub | silverton: the video card should deal with both, so if there's a bug in the video driver, or a misconfig, it can f*** up as you see it |
| 19:09.10 | silverton | PerfDave: and the thing is, I didn't change kernels |
| 19:09.26 | silverton | well, I did, I guess, technically I did, I installed a new one |
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| 19:09.31 | PerfDave | silverton: In what way is it "not working"? X is designed to require a pointing device, and I don't think there's any way around that. |
| 19:09.32 | silverton | but didn't use it |
| 19:09.46 | shingouz | whm: do not msg me |
| 19:10.14 | pipeline | PerfDave, silverton : -allowMouseOpenFail |
| 19:10.14 | doub | PerfDave: there is, you have to set some option, but it works |
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| 19:10.35 | silverton | so, PerfDave, explain this same kernel it was using when I installed, md5sum checks out... why isn't it working?? |
| 19:10.39 | hackeron | shingouz: heh, yeah, wondering why a sarge install cd cant boot an sata root partition makes me a cluebie ;) |
| 19:10.40 | whm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:11.47 | shingouz | hackeron: i have no idea what you are trying to do there. install debian on the sata or use the install cd as a rescue disk |
| 19:11.48 | chealer | whm: that shouldn't be problematic |
| 19:12.07 | PerfDave | hackeron: Ask #grub |
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| 19:13.33 | PerfDave | silverton: Well, I have to admit I'm stumped. |
| 19:13.57 | hackeron | shingouz: well, I'm installing debian on an sata, but its a separate controller and the dell bios is having trouble with it, so I'm trying to boot new installation with the install cd |
| 19:14.16 | silverton | PerfDave: werd... |
| 19:14.30 | PerfDave | silverton: /msg dpkg further help |
| 19:14.36 | FieldySnuts | @lart dell |
| 19:14.46 | shingouz | hackeron: you did get the stuff installed on the sata then? |
| 19:14.46 | PerfDave | Fiiieldeee |
| 19:14.52 | FieldySnuts | hiii |
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| 19:19.28 | CyL | Is there any sh/bash scripting reference guide? |
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| 19:19.56 | j_k | CyL: isn't man sh/bash sufficient? |
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| 19:21.03 | CyL | j_k: I would like a more detailed help... |
| 19:21.03 | jcuk | How do i boot into my debian system (already installed) from the install disk? |
| 19:21.29 | Blissex | jcuk: you specify the root of your installed system to the kernel you boot... |
| 19:21.33 | j_k | CyL: the bash manual page is very detailed. Do you run into a specific problem? |
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| 19:22.19 | jcuk | so my system is installed on /dev/hda1 |
| 19:22.27 | jcuk | would i just type that then enter? |
| 19:22.53 | sylvainnn | Hello people, have a question about unmounting CDROMS and DVDROMS maybe somebody can help? |
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| 19:23.04 | jcuk | perhaps i cansylv |
| 19:23.10 | j_k | jcuk: you have to pass the 'root=/dev/hda1' parameter to your kernel at boot. |
| 19:23.15 | CyL | j_k: I dunno a sh* about bash, and I wanted to write a script to start a service in the right way... that is my specific problem... but I'll stick with the man pages for a while... maybe I just too desperate to get things going too fast... |
| 19:23.15 | shingouz | jcuk: woody cd, rescbf24 root=/dev/hda1 |
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| 19:23.26 | jcuk | its sarge, shingouz |
| 19:23.37 | shingouz | jcuk: woody install cd |
| 19:23.37 | CyL | j_k: thansk buddy |
| 19:23.46 | jcuk | k |
| 19:23.51 | CyL | j_k: s/thansk/thanks |
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| 19:23.59 | j_k | CyL: you can use the scripts in /etc/init.d as examples/starting points and serach the bash manual for things you don't get. |
| 19:24.06 | sylvainnn | jcuk: thanx! I have often a problem of unmounting, the system answers: device is busy. This time I know the reason: i hav get the disk out without saying "eject". But how should I proceed now? |
| 19:24.10 | shingouz | jcuk: or knoppix or basically anything that is a linux and can boot. just use the root=/dev/hda1 there |
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| 19:24.28 | shingouz | sylvainnn: still on mandrake? |
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| 19:25.00 | sylvainnn | shingouz: yes, but it makes no differensce. I have installed lsof, so if it should say smth, tell me please what shoudl UI expect |
| 19:25.12 | jaibeee | hello*:#:/msg |
| 19:25.27 | CyL | j_k: I'm using /etc/inint.d/skeleton... |
| 19:25.46 | rob_lt | sylvainnn: are you in one of the directories of the cd when you are trying to unmount it? try cd'ing back to /home/username before you try to unmount (if that's the problem). |
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| 19:25.56 | shingouz | sylvainnn: easy. check what is keeping the device occupied, make it umountable and umount it. for more information visit your local friendly mandrake support channel or install debian |
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| 19:26.47 | orph_ | hi, the #ubuntu people don |
| 19:26.53 | orph_ | hi, the #ubuntu people don't seem to know much |
| 19:27.08 | shingouz | orph_: and that has what to do with us? |
| 19:27.09 | orph_ | how do i diff a file from it's packaged version? |
| 19:27.24 | anyone | orph_: well. you have to hang with the people that runs the same distro you do (= |
| 19:27.37 | anyone | orph_: diff file file2 |
| 19:27.39 | asg | orph_: download the orignal package, and use diff(1) on the file you extract from that package. |
| 19:27.42 | sylvainnn | shingouz: I have a long file -- the result of lsof. How can I understand from this file what keeps the device occupied? |
| 19:27.43 | orph_ | shingouz, wondering if you are a little more clued |
| 19:27.59 | shingouz | sylvainnn: man grep |
| 19:28.02 | orph_ | asg, there is no rpm -V alike? |
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| 19:28.10 | ]stu | hello #debian, I'm having trouble getting alsa working with my audigy/2 in sarge, lsmod shows the emu10k1 module is loaded, but /proc/asound/cards doesn't show it. I've tried several howto's and am reading the man pages, but would appreciate a nudge in the right direction |
| 19:28.15 | j_k | sylvainnn: cat file | grep mount-point |
| 19:28.15 | sylvainnn | rob_lt: no I am not in the mounted directory |
| 19:28.16 | asg | orph_: what does that do? |
| 19:28.17 | shingouz | orph_: wtf is rpm -V supposed to do |
| 19:28.27 | anyone | orph_: what does rpm have to do with diff? |
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| 19:28.39 | orph_ | asg, tell you if the file md5 is different from the packaged version |
| 19:29.19 | j_k | orph_: have a look at debsums. |
| 19:29.26 | asg | orph_: well, the packaged md5sums are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.md5sums |
| 19:29.39 | Blissex | ]stu: try this if you haven't already: http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2#troubleshooting |
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| 19:30.00 | sylvainnn | j_k: checked. there is no text "mount-oint" in the file which is the result of "lsof" |
| 19:30.07 | sylvainnn | "mount-point" |
| 19:30.19 | ]stu | thanks Blissex |
| 19:30.22 | Blissex | ]stu: ]stu and #ALSA. But if the driver is loaded and '/proc/asound/cards' does not show the card, probably you have a chipset variants that is not yet supported. |
| 19:30.27 | shingouz | sylvainnn: oh $DEITY! man grep |
| 19:30.35 | j_k | sylvainnn: you were supposed to replace this with the name of the directory your device is mounted on :-) |
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| 19:30.54 | anyone | shingouz: hehe. |
| 19:30.54 | sylvainnn | j_k ok trying |
| 19:31.01 | p2-mate_ | .away |
| 19:31.43 | shingouz | sunday is coming fast. i can tell, my old bones feel sundayish already |
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| 19:33.05 | sylvainnn | j_k: there are several lines, for example: famd 4913 a 197r DIR 22,0 2048 1792 /mnt/cdrom |
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| 19:34.17 | j_k | sylvainnn: well that means these programs use your CD-ROM, hence you can't unmount it until they do not use it anymore. |
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| 19:34.46 | shingouz | sylvainnn: and why they are using it is something you *need*to*ask* people who run mandrake |
| 19:35.04 | jasoncohen | does debian have gparted |
| 19:35.18 | jasoncohen | i can't seem to find it even though the gparted site has a deb package |
| 19:35.23 | shingouz | jasoncohen: should have. apt-cache search gparted |
| 19:35.33 | sylvainnn | j_k: actually this time I know exactly what has happened: I have take it out without appealing to "eject". So how should I stop the "famd" program?? |
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| 19:35.50 | shingouz | sylvainnn: ASK #MANDRAKE |
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| 19:36.04 | jasoncohen | shingouz, nothing..i even searched debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 19:36.13 | jasoncohen | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gparted&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 19:36.24 | j_k | sylvainnn: or install Debian :-) |
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| 19:36.49 | shingouz | jasoncohen: really? hmm... in that case i guess it is not there then. if you feel adventurous, grab the package off the website and dpkg -i it |
| 19:37.29 | jasoncohen | lol, in fact it's ONLY releaesed in the deb format |
| 19:37.31 | jasoncohen | deb and source |
| 19:37.41 | jasoncohen | strange |
| 19:37.43 | shingouz | jasoncohen: grab and install :) |
| 19:37.47 | jasoncohen | *strange |
| 19:37.50 | jasoncohen | doing that now |
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| 19:40.31 | TML | I just updated a couple of stable boxes to testing, and suddenly my consoles are "broken". When I hit ctrl-pgup to read scrollback, it will suddenly pop back down to where the cursor is for no obvious reason. Anyone have a guess as to which terminal setting I need to adjust to set the behaviour back to the old way? |
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| 19:42.18 | j_k | TML: if you're speaking about the linux console, it's shift-pgup. |
| 19:42.35 | rob_lt | anyone here using a 2.6.12 kernel? I've tried 2.6.11 and now I'm on 2.6.12-rc4-mm2 because of usb issues, but now I have no sound. This is onboard snd_intel8x0. |
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| 19:43.03 | TML | j_k: You're right. That doesn't really answer the question, though. :) |
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| 19:43.09 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.37 | j_k | TML: it pops back down when something is written to the terminal. |
| 19:43.49 | pipeline | doublehp: No. |
| 19:43.52 | j_k | TML: but there's nothing new about this. |
| 19:44.19 | asg | doublehp: help ulimit (it will provide some help) |
| 19:44.19 | pipeline | doublehp: UNIX semantics wouldn't allow such a thing anyway. There's just no way to do it short of doing it in-kernel. |
| 19:44.28 | anyone | yes i use 2.6.11 |
| 19:44.37 | TML | j_k: It's popping back down when NOTHING has been written. That's new. |
| 19:44.55 | j_k | TML: what's running on this term ? |
| 19:44.59 | gordonjcp | anyone got a good pointer to setting up ALSA with 2.6 in Sid? |
| 19:45.09 | gordonjcp | in fact, does anyone know why Sid doesn't use ALSA? |
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| 19:45.18 | anyone | gordonjcp: default 2.6 has alsa. just install the alsa-utils |
| 19:45.20 | asg | gordonjcp: alsa is a kernel thing, not a distro thing |
| 19:45.21 | pipeline | gordonjcp: Install the alsa-oss package and hotplug will load alsa modules instead of oss. |
| 19:45.21 | shingouz | gordonjcp: sid does use alsa if you configure it to do so |
| 19:45.31 | TML | j_k: Nothing. It's sitting at a bash prompt. |
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| 19:45.46 | gordonjcp | well, I've installed alsa-oss and alsa-utils, and it insists on using OSS |
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| 19:45.59 | shingouz | gordonjcp: kernel? |
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| 19:46.06 | gordonjcp | 2.6.11 |
| 19:46.11 | pipeline | gordonjcp: You would have to reboot to see hotplug load new sound modules. |
| 19:46.14 | anyone | ayone sucks. |
| 19:46.19 | gordonjcp | pipeline: I have rebooted |
| 19:46.20 | anyone | anyone sucks. |
| 19:46.32 | shingouz | gordonjcp: remove the oss modules and install the alsa modules |
| 19:47.01 | pipeline | shingouz: The modules come with the kernel package. How would he do that? |
| 19:47.06 | doublehp | asg: pipeline can you confirm that vserver/vhost can still do it ? |
| 19:47.16 | gordonjcp | shingouz: how can I list what modules are installed? |
| 19:47.17 | asg | doublehp: no, I've never used either. |
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| 19:47.19 | shingouz | pipeline: modprobe -r module or modconf |
| 19:47.26 | shingouz | gordonjcp: lsmod |
| 19:47.50 | j_k | TML: Maybe something is writing (even if it's not visible), maybe try "fuser -v `tty`". Sound weird, though. |
| 19:48.18 | gordonjcp | shingouz: no, I mean what modules packages are installed? |
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| 19:48.34 | shingouz | gordonjcp: they all come with the kernel |
| 19:48.41 | gordonjcp | ok |
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| 19:48.59 | shingouz | well.. most of them and the ones that are not with the kernel are not relevant in this case |
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| 19:49.22 | asg | gordonjcp: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 19:49.24 | shingouz | gordonjcp: you are running a debian kernel though, not something you cooked up yourself? |
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| 19:52.10 | gordonjcp | shingouz: yes, it's the normal debian 2.6.11-k7 kernel |
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| 19:53.04 | TML | j_k: Nothing. It shows the bash process, that's it. |
| 19:53.58 | doublehp | shingouz: I ll have a VIA_82cxxx driver as dessert, please. |
| 19:54.37 | j_k | TML: and it pops back repeatedly? How often? That's really strange. |
| 19:55.12 | shingouz | gordonjcp: modconf the oss modules out of it and run alsaconf |
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| 19:55.33 | shingouz | doublehp: this channel has been quiet enough to play pong ;) |
| 19:55.43 | doublehp | o_O |
| 19:56.11 | doublehp | !ping |
| 19:56.11 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:56.22 | doublehp | !pong |
| 19:56.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, pong is the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
| 19:56.24 | TML | j_k: Every 2-3 seconds, roughly. |
| 19:56.40 | shingouz | gordonjcp: uh.. that is if you do not have hotplug there. if you have hotplug, blacklist the oss modules |
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| 19:56.46 | shingouz | doublehp: not that way |
| 19:56.48 | TML | j_k: It's continuous, and started happening on all three boxes when I upgraded to testing. |
| 19:57.08 | doublehp | shingouz: will you show me ? |
| 19:57.21 | shingouz | doublehp: not really, not tonight :) |
| 19:57.39 | doublehp | ds this chan dead due to Srage stalled cause of Linux local issue ? |
| 19:57.40 | j_k | TML: what happens if you scroll lock prior to scrolling back? It'll probably jump back once, but does it more than this? |
| 19:58.08 | gordonjcp | asg / shingouz: blacklisting the OSS modules did the job, thanks |
| 19:58.10 | shingouz | doublehp: not sure, maybe everyone is saving up on questions for sunday |
| 19:58.15 | gordonjcp | but why isn't ALSA standard in Sid? |
| 19:58.17 | shingouz | gordonjcp: excellent |
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| 19:58.26 | asg | gordonjcp: because it breaks more often than oss does. |
| 19:58.28 | shingouz | gordonjcp: nothing is standard on debian |
| 19:58.42 | gordonjcp | asg: OSS has been broken for years |
| 19:58.56 | gordonjcp | although I suppose it isn't getting any worse |
| 19:59.05 | asg | gordonjcp: oss has a 100% working record for my machines, I've only been able to get also to work 25% of the time. |
| 19:59.12 | doublehp | gordonjcp: SID is by definiton unstable, you cant ask anything to be standard in there ... |
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| 19:59.24 | shingouz | gordonjcp: depends on the kernel of course. alsa is the preferred method on 2.6 |
| 19:59.37 | shingouz | doublehp: Sid is not an acronym ;) |
| 19:59.41 | gordonjcp | asg: I've only ever got OSS working with extremely "boring" soundcards |
| 19:59.48 | gordonjcp | nothing more exciting than an SB16 |
| 20:00.09 | shingouz | gordonjcp: and some crystals too. older hardware in anycase |
| 20:00.12 | doublehp | shingouz: I am aware, but the development had no place in my answer |
| 20:00.18 | asg | gordonjcp: boring cards are great, I don't have any use for sound other than the odd ogg. |
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| 20:00.29 | gordonjcp | asg: ah, I use rosegarden pretty heavily |
| 20:00.33 | doublehp | gordonjcp: the one with an IDE port ? |
| 20:00.34 | gordonjcp | and cinelerra |
| 20:00.45 | gordonjcp | doublehp: I've got one of those somewhere |
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| 20:00.56 | gordonjcp | it's got an IDE port and two 30-pin simm slots |
| 20:00.58 | gordonjcp | mental |
| 20:01.09 | gordonjcp | but it is, mutatis mutandis, an SB16 |
| 20:01.15 | doublehp | gordonjcp: the only Snd card with an IDE ? my brother had one, dont where it is actually |
| 20:01.21 | gordonjcp | it just has a funky EMU sampler IC on it |
| 20:01.25 | shingouz | as long as it works who cares :) |
| 20:01.31 | darkk | pfft .. teamspeak and cedega both rely on oss .. that sooks. |
| 20:01.48 | gordonjcp | not sure what iaxcomm uses, tbh |
| 20:01.52 | shingouz | darkk: and skype and a few other such things |
| 20:01.56 | doublehp | shingouz: you may not have real 7.1+3D effects .... |
| 20:02.15 | shingouz | doublehp: i do not have the cpu to run such shit in anycase :) |
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| 20:03.11 | doublehp | shingouz: a friend just bought a card which have 3 or 4 output Jacks ... for real 3D ... and it is PCMCIA !!! |
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| 20:03.53 | doublehp | shingouz: I just put my AMD 1.4 back in his box, to use the elder P3 800. |
| 20:03.54 | shingouz | doublehp: neat. something real new? does it run on linux too? |
| 20:04.08 | shingouz | doublehp: dual p1-133 here |
| 20:04.19 | doublehp | shingouz: I was not brave enough to ask about linux compliance ... |
| 20:04.29 | shingouz | doublehp: you should... ;) |
| 20:04.48 | doublehp | shingouz: I set up Dual P3 800 and dual Xeon 800 in july \o/ |
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| 20:04.59 | doublehp | shingouz: not too late to call my friend :) |
| 20:05.06 | shingouz | see? you have all the cpu in the world then compared to me |
| 20:05.18 | doublehp | lol |
| 20:05.25 | doublehp | I was given the MB |
| 20:05.31 | doublehp | I found tnhe CPU on Ebay ... |
| 20:05.36 | pipeline | a dual 133 should be good enough for most tasks if you have a lot of RAM and a lot of patience. |
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| 20:05.55 | shingouz | doublehp: wait until about four in the morning, call him up and say in a very urgent manner: "hey! is your pillow ok!?" |
| 20:06.07 | shingouz | hang up and repeat a few times |
| 20:06.19 | doublehp | pipeline: the CPU does not really matter, but you need good FSB, large Memory, and fast drives. |
| 20:06.35 | shingouz | pipeline: 512M ram and patience is not really needed with the 2.6 kernel |
| 20:06.45 | doublehp | pipeline: CPU are way too powerfull now, and most people misconsider Mem size, of HDD access time |
| 20:06.52 | shingouz | doublehp: several scsi buses, eisa |
| 20:07.01 | pipeline | The thing is, I like to run fancy-pants desktop software with lots of bells and whistles. |
| 20:07.08 | pipeline | You need a lot of RAM and patience to pull that off on a 133 :P |
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| 20:07.35 | abydos | Does anyone know if you can achieve networkable scanning with an HP OfficeJet all-in-one and the hpoj driver? |
| 20:07.35 | doublehp | the DUal Xen have PCI64 , and integrated SCSI, no clue where to buy stuff to fit .... |
| 20:07.48 | doublehp | LOL |
| 20:07.52 | shingouz | pipeline: xfce3 and a real lean and mean setup |
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| 20:08.17 | pipeline | doublehp: As a rule of thumb, any SCSI that's physically compatible will work with any other SCSI, with the exception of 8-bit SCSI. |
| 20:08.28 | abydos | I bought an HP OfficeJet 350 for 10 bucks earlier, the LCD is broken but it's still quite functional |
| 20:08.42 | abydos | or it would be if I had an ink cartridge for it. |
| 20:08.43 | pipeline | doublehp: As for PCI-X slots, if a 32-bit card is voltage-compatible (i.e. if it fits) it should work. It will, however, bring the entire bus down to 32-bit operation. |
| 20:08.48 | shingouz | pipeline: differential scsi is another thing afaik |
| 20:08.51 | darkk | abydos: i could do it with a HP PSC 950 xi. |
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| 20:09.00 | darkk | it works with sane |
| 20:09.04 | pipeline | shingouz: Hence the "physically compatible" :P |
| 20:09.14 | pu_buha | hi, i'm trying to find previous versions of debian packages... specifically a version of mount prior to 2.12p-4, in which losetup has 1466a67260ad7ffe1df4082238e3e9d6 for an md5sum. any idea how to go about this? |
| 20:09.15 | abydos | darkk: Mine doesn't work with sane, unfortunately |
| 20:09.20 | doublehp | pipeline: I can not afford for SCSI drives ATM ... maybe by Xmas ... |
| 20:09.34 | doublehp | not even refurb |
| 20:09.37 | pipeline | doublehp: Ebay it. SCSI /drives/ are extremely cheap. |
| 20:09.38 | asg | pu_buha: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 20:09.44 | pipeline | doublehp: It's the cabling that's bloody fucking murder. |
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| 20:10.08 | darkk | abydos: hmm, no clue how to do it otherwise.. |
| 20:10.15 | abydos | oh, blimey, it is sane-supported |
| 20:10.16 | j_k | pu_buha: prior versions of debian packages are archived at snapshot.debian.net. |
| 20:10.19 | abydos | with the hpoj driver |
| 20:10.27 | shingouz | doublehp: get an old server and make that into a desktop. you might even get hotplug hardware raid |
| 20:10.40 | doublehp | pipeline: what about If I buy the wrong stuff ? I maen, maybe I buy a wrong drive, or a cable with non compatible plugs ... |
| 20:10.49 | tadhg | hello |
| 20:10.50 | abydos | sane has an hpoj backend apparently |
| 20:11.00 | darkk | aye |
| 20:11.06 | abydos | that I did not know |
| 20:11.15 | abydos | guess I better hook this scanner up then |
| 20:11.19 | darkk | now you do :P |
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| 20:11.43 | pipeline | doublehp: That's a different problem. |
| 20:11.45 | doublehp | shingouz: if I can already play with raid5 (aka 6 drives on a cable), that would be great already |
| 20:11.47 | tadhg | i was running kanotix hd install for a while and my hp 6300c was working fine, now i'm using the new version of knoppix and i'm getting problem, any help?# |
| 20:11.54 | gandy909 | brutessh.tgz is not a good thing to find on your system is it? |
| 20:11.59 | asg | tadhg: #knoppix |
| 20:12.07 | shingouz | tadhg: yes, #knoppix |
| 20:12.14 | tadhg | my sane is up to datte, so hp-backend should be functonal |
| 20:12.21 | shingouz | !knoppix |
| 20:12.22 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 20:12.22 | asg | gandy909: not unless you put it there. |
| 20:12.22 | sameer | is bogomips same as mips |
| 20:12.29 | asg | sameer: no |
| 20:12.31 | tadhg | asg: thx, but my system is now debian |
| 20:12.32 | doublehp | shingouz: I guess thats the origin of the 7 id limit (or 15) : just to fit the 6 drives for RAID5 :) |
| 20:12.45 | asg | tadhg: no, you said you were using a new version of knoppix and having issues. |
| 20:12.51 | shingouz | tadhg: did you install debian with knoppix? |
| 20:13.08 | tadhg | shingouz: yeah, it is debian |
| 20:13.14 | doublehp | asg: what does ASG stand for ? |
| 20:13.29 | gandy909 | asg, no I didn't... is there a 'usual' exploit by which it gets there that I should have patched? |
| 20:13.32 | shingouz | !knoppix2debian |
| 20:13.32 | dpkg | methinks knoppix2debian is http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2251 or something which will leave you running neither Knoppix nor Debian and with no help from anywhere. |
| 20:14.08 | abydos | tadhg: knoppix is not debian. |
| 20:14.12 | shingouz | tadhg: my point is that the install you have there is something totally new then. install either knoppix and ask in #knoppix or install debian and ask here |
| 20:14.17 | abydos | tadhg: only unadulterated debian is debian |
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| 20:15.44 | abydos | Is Gnome 2.10 packaged yet? |
| 20:15.54 | FieldySnuts | @topicsmite abydos |
| 20:15.55 | ravenbird | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon abydos. And all the people marvelled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:15.59 | shingouz | abydos: in experimental i hear |
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| 20:16.11 | FieldySnuts | actually, nevermind, it USED to be in the topic. I take that back. |
| 20:16.13 | abydos | kde != gnome |
| 20:16.23 | abydos | 2.10 != 3.4 |
| 20:16.26 | FieldySnuts | !medal abydos |
| 20:16.37 | abydos | !smite FieldySnuts |
| 20:16.45 | FieldySnuts | ribbit. |
| 20:16.59 | abydos | a plague of frogs |
| 20:17.15 | abydos | So you have frogs barfing and getting ill all over too |
| 20:17.27 | abydos | so it's like 'ribbit ribbit bleeeh ribbit' |
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| 20:17.48 | CowboyDan | hello I'm looking for a debian iraf developer ? |
| 20:18.03 | CowboyDan | Zed Pobre ? |
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| 20:18.57 | gordonjcp | can frogs actually barf? |
| 20:19.13 | shingouz | gordonjcp: are you sure you really want to know? |
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| 20:19.50 | abydos | I believe they can, some frogs can actually stick their stomach out their mouths. |
| 20:19.57 | asg | doublehp: my initials |
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| 20:20.22 | asg | gandy909: not sure, google might help you narrow things down |
| 20:20.29 | sameer | asg: whats the difference between bogomips and real mips |
| 20:20.42 | doublehp | asg: cause it is close to ASV, which is in french Age Sex Ville(=town) , when you start a chat .... |
| 20:20.44 | abydos | what is taking hpoj so long to install? |
| 20:21.01 | meds | how do i get kernel 2.6.12rc4 with apt? |
| 20:21.13 | asg | doublehp: well, it could be age / sex / garage I suppose |
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| 20:21.38 | rob_lt | I've got no audio since upgrading to 2.6.12-rc4-mm2. Alsa quit when I tried 2.6.11 too. Anyone running 2.6.11+ and still have functioning sound? |
| 20:21.53 | asg | sameer: bogomips don't measure anything per se. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BogoMips/ |
| 20:22.03 | stupkid | can someone help me when i do ifup eth0 it says /var/run/dhcclient.eth0.pid No such file or directory |
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| 20:22.26 | stupkid | and No DHCPoffers received |
| 20:22.30 | shingouz | stupkid: do you have a dhcp client on the box in the first place |
| 20:22.37 | stupkid | yeah |
| 20:22.43 | shingouz | stupkid: looks like you do not have a dhcp server on the network |
| 20:22.47 | stupkid | oh |
| 20:22.51 | stupkid | how do i install it |
| 20:22.53 | doub | stupkid: what does 'dhclient eth0' do? |
| 20:23.12 | doub | stupkid: the simplest is dnsmasq |
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| 20:23.22 | stupkid | oh |
| 20:23.24 | shingouz | stupkid: install a dhcp server? depends on your hardware you have there |
| 20:23.27 | stupkid | i removed dnsmasq |
| 20:23.31 | stupkid | is that the problem? |
| 20:23.48 | stupkid | when i do dhclient eth0 it's trying to connect |
| 20:23.49 | doub | stupkid: if it was configured as DHCP, it might |
| 20:24.00 | knj | Is it possible to load a raid driver during install of Debian? If yes, can someone point in the direction of some kind of guide. |
| 20:24.35 | stupkid | doub how do i install dnsmasq when i dont have internet connection on the linuxmachine |
| 20:24.48 | asg | stupkid: sneakernet |
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| 20:24.52 | shingouz | knj: hardware or software? |
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| 20:24.57 | stupkid | sneakernet? |
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| 20:25.11 | doub | stupkid: you can download the .deb from packages.debian.org |
| 20:25.14 | knj | shingouz: I would like to load the drivers. |
| 20:25.20 | asg | stupkid: you use a machine that does have a connection to get the packages you need and walk them over on a cd or floppy set |
| 20:25.26 | shingouz | knj: hardware or software raid? |
| 20:25.26 | r3m | 3.0.r5 dont let you choose kernel 2.6? |
| 20:25.27 | doub | stupkid: but you'll have to get dependencies as well |
| 20:25.28 | stupkid | ohhh |
| 20:25.37 | asg | r3m: no, it doesn't have 2.6 kernel support |
| 20:25.42 | stupkid | i have debian cd |
| 20:25.48 | asg | r3m: you are better off using sarge at this point (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 20:25.55 | stupkid | how do i get source from the cd |
| 20:26.00 | r3m | thanks |
| 20:26.02 | asg | stupkid: apt-cdrom |
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| 20:26.11 | stupkid | let me try |
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| 20:26.29 | stupkid | i only need to install dnsmasq right? |
| 20:26.34 | sameer | is there any benchmarking tools available in sarge? |
| 20:26.47 | asg | sameer: it depends on what you want to benchmark |
| 20:27.08 | gordonjcp | asg: |
| 20:27.29 | r3m | asg: scuse me, 3.0.r5 is jigdo? so i need to install sarge to got support for 2.6? |
| 20:27.31 | gordonjcp | shingouz: actually, although I have ALSA modules loaded, I'm unable to use *any* sound drivers now |
| 20:27.46 | gordonjcp | neither oss, nor alsa, nor snd-pcm-oss work |
| 20:28.00 | asg | r3m: woody, debian 3.0, doesn't have kernel 2.6 support at all. If you want to attempt to use a 2.6 kernel with woody (after installing with 2.4), /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 20:28.03 | shingouz | gordonjcp: wow. check that the sound is not muted and that you are in the audio group |
| 20:28.13 | gordonjcp | shingouz: nope - there is actually no device |
| 20:28.25 | gordonjcp | (yes, I know about permissions and muting) |
| 20:28.33 | shingouz | gordonjcp: uh.. does lsmod show the modules? |
| 20:28.36 | gordonjcp | yup |
| 20:28.37 | stupkid | hey i installed dnsmasq but i still dont have internet connection |
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| 20:28.48 | sameer | asg : cpu |
| 20:28.53 | stupkid | it says No DHCPofers received |
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| 20:29.05 | gordonjcp | shingouz: I guess I'm not going to be doing any work on an iaxcomm Debian package then... |
| 20:29.23 | asg | sameer: apt-get install stress |
| 20:29.41 | shingouz | stupkid: you are trying to up the interface on dhcp but the network you are on does not have one. either install an external dhcp server somewhere or up the interface statically |
| 20:29.50 | asg | sameer: not really a benchmark, but it will help you determine things relatively between various machines. |
| 20:30.00 | stupkid | oh |
| 20:30.03 | shingouz | gordonjcp: that problem is a bit over my head at the moment. sorry |
| 20:30.16 | gordonjcp | shingouz: nm, you've been really helpful |
| 20:30.19 | shingouz | stupkid: your network or do you have a netadmin there? |
| 20:30.27 | shingouz | gordonjcp: did you try alsaconf? |
| 20:30.28 | r3m | asg 3.0.r1 is sarge or jigdo |
| 20:30.32 | gordonjcp | shingouz: it's just that Debian seems to be quite perverse about doing things differently for the sake of it |
| 20:30.51 | asg | r3m: jigdo is a way to get files, sarge is the next debian release. They have nothing in common. |
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| 20:31.11 | stupkid | apt-cdrom install dhcp3-server ? |
| 20:31.19 | j_k | r3m: and 3.0r1 is an old woody, not sarge. |
| 20:31.24 | shingouz | stupkid: that does not help |
| 20:31.26 | asg | stupkid: no, man 5 interfaces |
| 20:31.32 | asg | r3m: correct |
| 20:31.41 | stupkid | i typed apt-cdrom add |
| 20:31.44 | asg | r3m: to get a sarge install disc, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 20:31.47 | shingouz | stupkid: do you have someone taking care of the network you are on or is it all yours? |
| 20:31.53 | stupkid | mine |
| 20:32.02 | stupkid | it's all mine |
| 20:32.02 | r3m | asg 3.0.r5 is a sarge? |
| 20:32.05 | shingouz | stupkid: what kind of a router you have? |
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| 20:32.11 | j_k | stupkid: is this computer directly connected to the internet or is it connected through a LAN ? |
| 20:32.15 | stupkid | i have wrt54gs |
| 20:32.17 | asg | r3m: no, it's the fifth release of woody |
| 20:32.29 | r3m | hm |
| 20:32.32 | shingouz | stupkid: bridging or routing? |
| 20:32.32 | stupkid | j_k directly connected to the internet |
| 20:32.37 | asg | r3m: it contains all the security fixes and remove some packages since 3.0r4. |
| 20:32.47 | j_k | stupkid: can't you configure you wrt54gs to provide a DHCP server ? |
| 20:32.49 | r3m | woody is before then sarge, why they got a higher number |
| 20:32.57 | shingouz | stupkid: if you have the wrt54g there you are not directly on the internet |
| 20:33.03 | stupkid | oh |
| 20:33.05 | asg | r3m: r = revision. |
| 20:33.06 | asg | r3m: 3.0r5 < 3.1 |
| 20:33.17 | r3m | ok thx |
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| 20:33.27 | shingouz | stupkid: well.. you may be if you have it bridging |
| 20:33.48 | stupkid | how do i add cd source to my source.list |
| 20:33.53 | stupkid | i have 3 cds |
| 20:33.58 | asg | stupkid: apt-cdrom |
| 20:34.03 | stupkid | i did that |
| 20:34.04 | BrianAnthony | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.08 | stupkid | but it doesn't work |
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| 20:34.19 | shingouz | gordonjcp: not really, i think there is just some oddities with the configuration at the moment, i just cannot put my finger on them |
| 20:34.20 | stupkid | do i need to comment out the https in there? |
| 20:35.02 | shingouz | stupkid: what do you mean with "doesnt work"? |
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| 20:35.41 | sameer | asg : i dont have stress |
| 20:35.41 | sameer | asg : im using sarge testing |
| 20:35.43 | sameer | asg: will it be there in the frozen? |
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| 20:36.54 | gordonjcp | shingouz: meh, it works in Slackware, guess what my next plan of attack is? |
| 20:37.18 | shingouz | gordonjcp: install xp? :p |
| 20:37.40 | shingouz | gordonjcp: apt-get install pizza? |
| 20:37.44 | gordonjcp | shingouz: xp? |
| 20:37.47 | fortran01 | Is it possible to bypass the username given by identd to irssi? My username is tek.shek and this is not acceptable in a freenode login. Any tips? |
| 20:38.07 | shingouz | gordonjcp: yea, that is supposedly an operating system from some minor vendor |
| 20:38.14 | gordonjcp | shingouz: actually, I think we've just gone to XP at work |
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| 20:38.19 | lindi- | fortran01: don't run identd? |
| 20:38.23 | gordonjcp | is that the one with the garish colour scheme? |
| 20:38.26 | shingouz | @comfort gordonjcp |
| 20:38.27 | ravenbird | There, there, gordonjcp. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:38.32 | r3m | asg, why somebody would like to got woody if they can get sarge.. |
| 20:38.43 | shingouz | gordonjcp: that is the one with the teletubbies and barney, yes |
| 20:38.48 | fortran01 | lindi-: I don't own the server with the remote shell |
| 20:38.49 | gordonjcp | shingouz: <nods> |
| 20:38.56 | lindi- | fortran01: then you are out of luck |
| 20:38.59 | stupkid | Dang i think it screwed up the machine now |
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| 20:39.13 | stupkid | my system is not woody |
| 20:39.14 | BrianAnthony | how do I stop from using gnome and switch to fluxbox |
| 20:39.14 | gordonjcp | shingouz: the first time I ever actually used Windows for more than a couple of minutes at a time was when I started working at Big Blue... |
| 20:39.17 | shingouz | stupkid: what happened |
| 20:39.25 | stupkid | it's sarge and i installed packaged from woody cd |
| 20:39.25 | BrianAnthony | what config file do I need to edit |
| 20:39.40 | stupkid | and now it says ifup eth0 Unrecognized kernel version |
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| 20:39.47 | shingouz | stupkid: not really i think |
| 20:39.51 | stupkid | oh |
| 20:39.56 | stupkid | i need to reboot? |
| 20:40.01 | shingouz | stupkid: no |
| 20:40.11 | shingouz | stupkid: you are not running xp now |
| 20:40.16 | stupkid | yeah |
| 20:40.18 | stupkid | :D |
| 20:40.43 | stupkid | what can i do now |
| 20:41.08 | shingouz | stupkid: how are you connected to the internet |
| 20:41.13 | BrianAnthony | is there a way to simply edit something to change from gnome to fluxbox? |
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| 20:41.32 | r3m | asg |
| 20:41.51 | shingouz | BrianAnthony: /msg dpkg update-alternatives |
| 20:42.12 | stupkid | shingouz: i used to ifup eth0 before and it work, then i just added auto eth0 in my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:42.21 | shingouz | stupkid: how are you connected to the internet |
| 20:42.27 | stupkid | ifup eth0 |
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| 20:42.57 | shingouz | stupkid: what kind of hardware you have there. how the fuck is the computer connected physically |
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| 20:43.40 | stupkid | right now i connected throught a wireless router |
| 20:43.48 | stupkid | wrt54gs |
| 20:44.10 | shingouz | stupkid: but that is not the connection you have problems with, is it? |
| 20:44.19 | stupkid | yeah |
| 20:44.34 | shingouz | it is the connection you have problems with? |
| 20:44.50 | shingouz | (someone hand me the cluebat) |
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| 20:45.12 | darkk | lol |
| 20:45.26 | stupkid | lol |
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| 20:45.47 | simonrvn | !lol |
| 20:45.47 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a LOLer. |
| 20:45.57 | shingouz | stupkid: is that the connection you have problems with? |
| 20:46.15 | shingouz | yes or no? |
| 20:46.18 | stupkid | the link machine |
| 20:46.19 | stupkid | yes |
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| 20:46.24 | stupkid | linux machine |
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| 20:46.28 | stupkid | i'm now on windows |
| 20:46.41 | shingouz | dual boot? |
| 20:47.19 | stupkid | nope |
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| 20:47.23 | stupkid | another chine |
| 20:47.25 | stupkid | machine |
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| 20:47.34 | shingouz | stupkid: is that running at the moment? |
| 20:47.57 | stupkid | yes it's running but the internet connection screwed up |
| 20:48.31 | shingouz | now. check the parameters on the xp box you are on. how does it get the ip? |
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| 20:48.48 | shingouz | and hi junksie :) |
| 20:48.58 | junks- | hey :] |
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| 20:49.19 | stupkid | how do i check that shingouz |
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| 20:49.43 | MrKeuner | hi, what should be done to have man pages listed/included in yelp |
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| 20:50.18 | shingouz | stupkid: i am not too sure, i have never run windows xp in my whole life. lemme guess though. control panel -> network -> interface -> tcp/ip |
| 20:50.25 | rob_lt | Ahhhh, sweet sound! "Headphone Jack Sense" didn't seem to make a difference with 2.6.8, but in 2.6.11 and higher it killed my audio. |
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| 20:54.18 | gordonjcp | asg / shingouz : thanks for all the help, but Debian just isn't working out for me |
| 20:54.31 | shingouz | gordonjcp: sorry to hear, man |
| 20:54.49 | MrKeuner | to have man pages listed/included in yelp. can it be a seperate package? |
| 20:55.19 | shingouz | MrKeuner: building something new there? |
| 20:55.38 | MrKeuner | no using yelp deb package provided by debian |
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| 20:56.13 | gordonjcp | shingouz: I love the packaging, but the politics are too much for me |
| 20:56.15 | shingouz | MrKeuner: didnt you get the man pages at all then? has to be in a separate package in that case. apt-cache serach |
| 20:56.22 | shingouz | gordonjcp: ? |
| 20:56.45 | MrKeuner | shingouz/ but I have all man pages if I use the console man utility |
| 20:56.55 | gordonjcp | shingouz: the way that *everything* has to be done in a slightly different way from everybody else |
| 20:57.06 | shingouz | gordonjcp: heh |
| 20:57.09 | gordonjcp | just enough to break compatibility with existing systems |
| 20:57.12 | j_k | gordonjcp: it's others that do it differently ! |
| 20:57.17 | gordonjcp | and constant whining about closed-source stuff |
| 20:57.39 | gordonjcp | j_k: meh, maybe. Slackware's been around longer than Debian, though |
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| 20:57.42 | shingouz | ...closed sourece is bbbaaaddd... mmmkay? ;) |
| 20:58.02 | blackout | if you're trying to download a torrent, and you have the bittorrent ports blocked, can you still upload at all? |
| 20:58.04 | gordonjcp | shingouz: well, if you want 3d acceleration, what options have you got? |
| 20:58.16 | blackout | is it just a little bit, or actually nothing? |
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| 20:58.42 | shingouz | gordonjcp: that is something that has to be pounded into the hardware vendors i think. at the moment not a lot of choice, that is true |
| 20:59.01 | Wyzard | blackout: If your ports are blocked, nobody will be able to connect to you, but you can still connect to others |
| 20:59.14 | gordonjcp | shingouz: but consider that the drivers contain the firmware for the GPU |
| 20:59.21 | gordonjcp | shingouz: do you use an open-source BIOS? |
| 20:59.23 | blackout | Wyzard, that's what i thought - i'm seeing some odd behavior, since I seem to be uploaded, but from behind a firewall |
| 20:59.25 | Wyzard | blackout: So others won't be able to connect to download from you |
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| 20:59.43 | blackout | Wyzard, i'm using shorewall's AllowBittorrent action, and i'm wondering if it enabled something handy |
| 20:59.47 | gordonjcp | shingouz: what about the FPGAs that make up a lot of the glue logic on your motherboard, got the source for those? |
| 20:59.51 | shingouz | gordonjcp: no, i do not think an ancient IBM PCserver 320 even has such an option. i would if i could though |
| 21:00.06 | Wyzard | blackout: However, I think peers that you're already connected to (because you initiated the connection, for example) can download from you using the same connection... I'm not sure of that, though |
| 21:00.07 | gordonjcp | shingouz: ahaa, well, if you want sources for that... |
| 21:00.14 | gordonjcp | shingouz: I *may* know where to look... |
| 21:00.27 | shingouz | gordonjcp: Big Blue? |
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| 21:00.44 | gordonjcp | shingouz: maybe... |
| 21:00.46 | simonrvn | !maint metar |
| 21:00.50 | dpkg | metar: Kees Leune <kees@leune.org> |
| 21:01.07 | gordonjcp | shingouz: I may well keep Debian on one of my servers |
| 21:01.13 | shingouz | gordonjcp: if you can get the C-Bus into the kernel for the 720/704 servers i would almose kiss you for that ;) |
| 21:01.15 | BrianHV | what's involved in getting a script to be run when a device is hotplugged with hotplug/udev? |
| 21:01.20 | blackout | Wyzard, if i'm connected to them, why would they connect to me? I'm downloading from them what they have - they don't need anything from me then |
| 21:01.27 | gordonjcp | asterisk in Debian seems to be easier than asterisk in NetBSD |
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| 21:01.32 | deadcat | why isnt there a gelly gtk2-engines in debian? i mean i dont use it but... |
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| 21:01.41 | gordonjcp | shingouz: oh hey, steady on mate, mrs gordonjcp may have something to say about that! |
| 21:01.41 | pipeline | BrianHV: I believe that's what /etc/hotplug.d and /etc/udev.d are for |
| 21:01.45 | pipeline | deadcat: gelly? |
| 21:01.50 | BrianHV | pipeline: I figured that much out. ;) |
| 21:01.54 | deadcat | pipeline: that kde default theme. |
| 21:01.59 | shingouz | gordonjcp: so would mrs shingouz for that matter |
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| 21:02.54 | gordonjcp | hehe |
| 21:03.55 | shingouz | gordonjcp: i did say *almost* kiss, not kiss btw. would just be fun to get the old PS/2 dinosaurs to run on a real o/s with all four cpu's |
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| 21:04.57 | BrianHV | where would I put a script such that it would be run after udev created the device nodes for the device? |
| 21:05.46 | pipeline | deadcat: Why would the KDE default theme be a GTK engine? |
| 21:05.57 | pipeline | deadcat: Perhaps you're wanting the qtpixmap GTK engine? |
| 21:06.14 | deadcat | pipeline: porting. |
| 21:06.24 | deadcat | pipeline: let me take a look |
| 21:06.28 | crashbg | hey, here is something odd : can i play games with cedega running on a remote pc? |
| 21:06.44 | pipeline | crashbg: Almost certainly not. |
| 21:07.03 | pipeline | crashbg: Anything that uses DGA, OpenGL, or DirectX inside wine almost certainly won't work. |
| 21:07.21 | pipeline | crashbg: Wine's X11 driver isn't all that robust as far as network use :P |
| 21:07.34 | deadcat | pipeline: i remember theres a linux theme that looks like this. the green section witht he --- in the middle: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=Sale&siteID=%2A7WaaTN6umc-89%2AiRWDpuy3whZES2Wu9Sw |
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| 21:10.10 | fusion | has anyone here had experience with CUPS and turning printers off? For me it complains that the device doesnt exist and rejects jobs, even when I turn the printer back on. Is there a way to make it not do this? it is used by new people who don't know how to make it accept jobs again |
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| 21:19.38 | jjb123 | Any body here? |
| 21:19.46 | dondelelcaro | no, no one is here. |
| 21:20.00 | sameer | we are just going out |
| 21:20.02 | simonrvn | no one's here, not even us mice |
| 21:20.07 | sameer | u coming jjb123 |
| 21:20.23 | streuner | heh, here is nobody :-P |
| 21:20.40 | liquide | jjb123 nope, never here, never was, or never will |
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| 21:20.45 | jjb123 | I have a problem. I just installed debian, configured the monitor settings right and when I restart the computer the login screen goes of the edges of the screen |
| 21:21.15 | jjb123 | Any ideas? |
| 21:21.17 | liquide | you gotta fix that on your screen.. or choose a smaller resolution |
| 21:21.25 | maciek | you mean a line --bash? |
| 21:21.33 | maciek | like the terminaòl? |
| 21:21.40 | jjb123 | I tried every resoulution at least once |
| 21:21.50 | dondelelcaro | jjb123: that basically indicates that you either 1) haven't set up your monitor properly 2) don't have your monitor calibrated correctly |
| 21:22.03 | jjb123 | How do I calibrate? |
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| 21:22.17 | dondelelcaro | jjb123: uh, with the buttons on the front of your monitor. |
| 21:22.18 | maciek | i have installed debian and i have a similar problems too |
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| 21:22.30 | maciek | sorry i can help you |
| 21:22.49 | fusion | Normally I'd ask "have you checked the monitor?" but in this case it would make sense to, so I won't |
| 21:23.12 | jjb123 | Yeh, I am going to switch over to that computer now. I will stay on. |
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| 21:23.42 | BillMair | hi @ all |
| 21:23.57 | BillMair | I need some serious help with LVM |
| 21:23.58 | simonrvn | "tonight's news at 11: sunday hits early in the debian channel. more later" |
| 21:24.15 | simonrvn | aaw, we can't crack lame jokes? |
| 21:24.24 | deadcat | hmm. when did unix/linux accounts can go more than 8 chars? (= |
| 21:24.40 | fusion | pfft they're all probably paid by microsoft to shut up about linux / open source / macs |
| 21:25.15 | BillMair | Is there an irc channel somewhere for LVM issues ? |
| 21:25.15 | jjb123 | I am in the command promt now, what do I use to edit the monitor settings? |
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| 21:25.52 | Blissex | BillMair: probably #LVM |
| 21:26.03 | Blissex | BillMair: there is also a channel for DM help |
| 21:26.07 | stupkid | hey |
| 21:26.14 | BillMair | on this server ? |
| 21:26.16 | jjb123 | Any ideas? |
| 21:26.19 | shingouz | jjb123: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 21:26.27 | stupkid | can i download testing image? |
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| 21:26.36 | asg | stupkid: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:26.38 | simonrvn | you have our permission |
| 21:26.41 | stupkid | oh |
| 21:26.44 | stupkid | thanks asg |
| 21:26.48 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 21:26.50 | deadcat | when did unix/linux accounts can go more than 8 chars and can do uppercase? |
| 21:26.50 | Fluten | is there something i can put in my X configuration to lower the brightness of my screens? |
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| 21:27.09 | simonrvn | deadcat: uh, since when did they not? |
| 21:27.12 | deadcat | Fluten: thats your monitor's job? |
| 21:27.31 | asg | deadcat: 1) for a while now. 2) for historical reasons. |
| 21:27.32 | deadcat | simonrvn: damn. must be a UNIX thing then. |
| 21:27.35 | Fluten | deadcat, the one on my laptop won't go down any lower, and is bothering me, since i'm in a dark room |
| 21:27.35 | simonrvn | (probably with 11 bit machines...) |
| 21:27.50 | ordi666 | I've a problem after installing Xorg (using ubuntu deposite) I reinstalled my ATI's drivers (Alien flgrx... make_buil && make install) everythings run OK BUT fglrxinfo give MESA as driver ... please help |
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| 21:28.04 | deadcat | Fluten: those filters (= |
| 21:28.06 | stupkid | dhcp3-client-udeb_3.0.1-2_i386.udeb dhcp3-server_3.0.1-2_i386.deb dnsmasq_2.22-2_i386.deb << Is this all i need to get dhcp internet connection working? |
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| 21:28.12 | simonrvn | ordi666: you're on your own |
| 21:28.16 | stupkid | i want to burn this on cd |
| 21:28.20 | stupkid | in |
| 21:28.23 | shingouz | stupkid: udeb? |
| 21:28.28 | streuner | stupkid: /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 21:28.31 | streuner | !udeb |
| 21:28.31 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 21:28.32 | stupkid | oh |
| 21:28.36 | simonrvn | you don't need the udeb.... |
| 21:28.50 | stupkid | ah |
| 21:28.52 | Exile | :) |
| 21:29.04 | jjb123 | Still didnt work any more ideas |
| 21:29.07 | shingouz | stupkid: you have not told us yet if you even have a dhcp server on the network |
| 21:29.10 | streuner | prolly part of the installer itself |
| 21:29.28 | stupkid | no shingouz |
| 21:29.50 | streuner | stupkid: you need an dhcp client |
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| 21:30.04 | streuner | stupkid: hardware-router? |
| 21:30.10 | shingouz | stupkid: in that case you need to configure it statically instead of trying to install a dhcp client which cannot work as you do not have the server to hand out the addresses |
| 21:30.15 | astronut | how do you set precision in bc? |
| 21:30.39 | stupkid | shingouz: I removed them all |
| 21:30.59 | simonrvn | @mansmite astronut |
| 21:30.59 | jjb123 | does anyone know how to change my screen resoulution from the comment prompt? |
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| 21:31.14 | astronut | simonrvn: ?? |
| 21:31.18 | shingouz | stupkid: you are about to install a dhcp *server* with those packages |
| 21:31.19 | asg | jjb123: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 21:31.21 | astronut | h |
| 21:31.21 | astronut | ah |
| 21:31.43 | stupkid | shingouz: can you tell me where can i get those packages? |
| 21:31.45 | gordonjcp | hah, right |
| 21:31.52 | gordonjcp | if you lot are so clever... |
| 21:31.53 | jjb123 | ask: already tried that doesnt work |
| 21:31.55 | streuner | !installit |
| 21:31.55 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 21:32.03 | gordonjcp | ... when am I going to get a PDP11 port of Debian? |
| 21:32.16 | asg | gordonjcp: ask toresbe |
| 21:32.20 | gordonjcp | asg: lol |
| 21:32.23 | shingouz | stupkid: ffs... you do not need them at all. just slap the ip and other information into /etc/network/interfaces and you are ready to roll |
| 21:32.31 | gordonjcp | asg: man, toresbe is legendary in #classiccmp |
| 21:32.46 | stupkid | i tried it |
| 21:32.47 | asg | gordonjcp: yes, he has quite a collection |
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| 21:32.51 | gordonjcp | asg: actually, toresbe needs to get his VoIP setup working so I can get my helpline going |
| 21:32.56 | stupkid | shingouz: it doesn't work |
| 21:33.09 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 21:33.09 | jjb123 | Some one please help! |
| 21:33.09 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 21:33.11 | shingouz | stupkid: define not work |
| 21:33.18 | stupkid | shingouz: the linux machine doesnt have dhcp now |
| 21:33.24 | gordonjcp | asg: there is a guy in #classiccmp with over 70 PDP11s, and that is just a tiny fraction of his total kit list... |
| 21:33.27 | stupkid | i removed all of the dhcp packages |
| 21:33.28 | asg | jjb123: type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (choose better values) |
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| 21:33.40 | stupkid | i need to redownload it |
| 21:33.44 | gordonjcp | asg: http://pdp11.kicks-ass.net |
| 21:33.51 | asg | gordonjcp: whoa, does he have them powered on? |
| 21:33.51 | streuner | What are "PDP11s"? |
| 21:34.01 | asg | streuner: teh old |
| 21:34.10 | gordonjcp | asg: I suspect not |
| 21:34.12 | shingouz | stupkid: you do not need a dhcp server on the box. you can configure the ip manually |
| 21:34.18 | stupkid | oh |
| 21:34.19 | jjb123 | thanks |
| 21:34.19 | stupkid | i see |
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| 21:34.21 | gordonjcp | asg: my PDP11 is up quite a bit though |
| 21:34.32 | stupkid | even if i don't have dhcp client shingouz? |
| 21:34.47 | asg | gordonjcp: nice |
| 21:34.56 | shingouz | stupkid: static ip means you do not use dhcp. not a client, not a server |
| 21:35.08 | stupkid | i don't have static ip |
| 21:35.13 | gordonjcp | asg: yup... |
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| 21:35.24 | stupkid | shingouz my ip is dynamic |
| 21:35.29 | gordonjcp | asg: teh b3astyne55 |
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| 21:35.40 | streuner | stupkid: so /msg dpkg dhcp client |
| 21:35.45 | shingouz | stupkid: so *do you have a dhcp server on the network or not*? |
| 21:35.55 | stupkid | no |
| 21:35.55 | BillMair | Doesn't look like the LVM guys are awake :( |
| 21:36.04 | shingouz | stupkid: in that case you do it statically |
| 21:36.06 | fusion | your ISP is still a network, stupkid |
| 21:36.13 | crylyx | what is the right file to set my dnsdomainname ? |
| 21:36.14 | gordonjcp | asg: I hate to think how much it cost new in ~84 |
| 21:36.16 | stupkid | oh |
| 21:36.21 | asg | gordonjcp: :) |
| 21:36.26 | asg | stupkid: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage |
| 21:36.34 | streuner | stupkid@24-177-52-124.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com |
| 21:36.44 | gordonjcp | asg: I mean, I have about 15 or so RL02 disk packs, and I *know* they weren't cheap... |
| 21:36.48 | simonrvn | dumbasss... |
| 21:36.50 | shingouz | stupkid: you never got to see what the ip on the windows box is? |
| 21:36.53 | stupkid | yeah |
| 21:36.55 | simonrvn | s/sss/ss/ |
| 21:36.57 | asg | gordonjcp: nice, very nice. |
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| 21:37.07 | stupkid | shingouz: nope |
| 21:37.13 | shingouz | stupkid: would it be too impossible for you to check it? |
| 21:37.18 | gordonjcp | asg: 16MHz, a whole 1M of RAM (not core, sadly) and two 30M ST-506 disks |
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| 21:37.25 | stupkid | let me check |
| 21:37.41 | asg | gordonjcp: well, it beats my Atari 800, that's for sure. |
| 21:37.49 | shingouz | stupkid: get the netmask, default gateway and dns too whilke you are at it |
| 21:37.49 | stupkid | oh |
| 21:37.57 | gordonjcp | asg: not by much, I'm sure |
| 21:37.59 | asg | gordonjcp: and, come to think of it, my 286 |
| 21:38.11 | gordonjcp | asg: it's about equivalent to the same speed 68010 |
| 21:38.11 | stupkid | shingouz, in the ip setting it says DHCP enabled |
| 21:38.23 | shingouz | stupkid: geee... |
| 21:38.29 | stupkid | :D |
| 21:38.32 | shingouz | stupkid: so you do have a dhcp server there |
| 21:38.35 | stupkid | yeah |
| 21:38.38 | shingouz | fsck |
| 21:38.40 | stupkid | :) |
| 21:38.42 | simonrvn | his isp's dhcpd |
| 21:38.45 | gordonjcp | asg: very roughly speaking, anyway. Similar CPU model, but it has a segmented memory map |
| 21:38.46 | asg | gordonjcp: oldest thing I have now is a PI 200 with 48M |
| 21:38.56 | gordonjcp | asg: heh |
| 21:39.01 | streuner | simonrvn: well the hostname says the same ;-) |
| 21:39.02 | gordonjcp | asg: that's still a worthwhile desktop... |
| 21:39.09 | shingouz | i think so too. just that he does not have a clue if he is on a private or public ip |
| 21:39.13 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 21:39.15 | gordonjcp | asg: you want to stick OpenStep on that and let it rip |
| 21:39.18 | stupkid | yeah |
| 21:39.25 | astronut | Once sarge is released, the only updates will be security fixes, correct? |
| 21:39.37 | asg | gordonjcp: though it's been my home übermench system for years now. |
| 21:39.42 | shingouz | stupkid: do you have a dhcp *client* on the box? pump, dhclient? |
| 21:39.51 | streuner | astronut: basically yes |
| 21:39.52 | stupkid | shingouz nope |
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| 21:40.04 | asg | astronut: yes, unless a security fix necessitates a new package instead of a backported fix (though this is rare) |
| 21:40.12 | astronut | k |
| 21:40.18 | shingouz | stupkid: install pump or some other *client* not a server |
| 21:40.19 | astronut | and these happen as the bugs are found, correct? |
| 21:40.24 | asg | astronut: yes |
| 21:40.33 | astronut | so, whenever a message is sent to whatever that mailing list, right? |
| 21:40.38 | astronut | mailing list is* |
| 21:40.38 | stupkid | shingouz, can i install it from woody cdrom? |
| 21:40.45 | asg | astronut: debian-security-announce |
| 21:40.49 | astronut | kk |
| 21:40.52 | simonrvn | debian-security-announce |
| 21:41.04 | shingouz | stupkid: would be better if you jsut installed it from whatever version you run there |
| 21:41.06 | stupkid | shingouz: the machine run testing |
| 21:41.08 | asg | astronut: bugtraq gets them at about the same time also |
| 21:41.08 | astronut | so subscribe to that, then when a message is sent, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 21:41.14 | stupkid | oh |
| 21:41.23 | asg | astronut: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (for a stable system) |
| 21:41.35 | astronut | asg: ya...either works |
| 21:41.35 | stupkid | shingouz. can you send me the package from testing? |
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| 21:41.45 | asg | astronut: yes |
| 21:41.46 | Nula | i have setup the S.M.A.R.T disk monitoring tools to monitoring the raid arrays in the ubuntu server .. I configured it to send email for errors.. I also added a -M test which sends a test mail at the daemon startup.. I can't seem to configure postfix correctly though since I'm not recieving anymail .. any ideas on how to correctly setup postfix for external mail?? |
| 21:41.53 | streuner | This dude is prolly never able to install debian at all |
| 21:42.03 | simonrvn | dhclient v2.x.x gets installed by default since probably the potato (or earlier) days, so i think s/he does have a dhcp client installed, and doesn't know it |
| 21:42.03 | asg | Nula: #ubuntu, #postfix |
| 21:42.05 | fusion | Nula this is not #ubuntu |
| 21:42.16 | shingouz | stupkid: just get them from any debian mirror |
| 21:42.34 | simonrvn | shingouz: ^^ |
| 21:42.40 | stupkid | shingouz, just pump package? |
| 21:42.43 | astronut | what's the after sarge release? |
| 21:42.45 | asg | Nula: also, apt-get install postfix-doc (and read) |
| 21:42.48 | asg | astronut: etch |
| 21:43.00 | Nula | fusion, true.. but it seems the level of expertise in ubuntu channels goes as high as click the main menu button |
| 21:43.11 | shingouz | simonrvn: <sigh> :) |
| 21:43.13 | streuner | stupkid: read the fine ig (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 21:43.20 | fusion | well you chose the distro Nula :P |
| 21:43.48 | Nula | nothing wrong with the distro.. my problems are with linux software that run on all distros sigh |
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| 21:44.07 | shingouz | stupkid: locate dhclient |
| 21:44.21 | shingouz | stupkid: run that command: locate dhclient |
| 21:44.37 | asg | Nula: then read the documentation (postfix-doc package, /usr/share/doc/postfix*) |
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| 21:45.07 | stupkid | shingouz, /sbin/dhclient |
| 21:45.25 | shingouz | stupkid: excellent. ps -A | grep dhclient |
| 21:45.40 | stupkid | but when i run /sbin/dhclient it says no such file or directory |
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| 21:46.00 | Nula | asg, unfortunately I did read the documentation prior to coming here... IRC channels are always my last resort |
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| 21:46.04 | simonrvn | /sbin/dh<tab> |
| 21:46.10 | snooga | !apt zip |
| 21:46.11 | shingouz | stupkid: as root? |
| 21:46.14 | stupkid | yeah |
| 21:46.15 | stupkid | root |
| 21:46.17 | snooga | apt zip |
| 21:46.18 | apt | Creates PKZIP(tm)-compatible .zip files. URL: ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/Info-ZIP.html |
| 21:46.26 | Nula | the examples in the doc are not very clear.. |
| 21:46.48 | asg | Nula: then try a different mail that has examples that make sense or find clarification in #postfix. |
| 21:46.53 | asg | s/mail/mailer/ |
| 21:46.55 | Nula | for example it says I might need to send mail indirectly through a relay... but what qualifies as a relay?? I just want my server to send mail to my gmail account |
| 21:47.04 | Nula | I really don't think that's too complicated |
| 21:47.14 | asg | Nula: relay is a smart relay (your ISP's mail server) |
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| 21:47.26 | asg | Nula: if your ISP prevents you from sending outbound mail directly. |
| 21:47.26 | shingouz | how was it checked what is actually installed? dpkg --get-selections dhclient? |
| 21:47.34 | FarrisG | Ok, I need some rudimentary help with this RAID. I'm using a raid card that nobody seems to use much (highpoint tech rr1820A). It was setup by my predecessor, and it's complaining that one of the drives in the array is bad, but all the data seems to be available. |
| 21:47.35 | asg | Nula: like crappy earthlink. |
| 21:47.39 | simonrvn | -l |
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| 21:47.54 | streuner | shingouz: dpkg -l | grep dhcp |
| 21:47.59 | fusion | why would an isp do that? |
| 21:48.02 | shingouz | ty streuner |
| 21:48.04 | simonrvn | might want -l '*dhclient*' |
| 21:48.05 | Nula | asg, I see... well I don't even use my ISPs email so this will be interesting |
| 21:48.09 | asg | fusion: to prevent spam worms of course |
| 21:48.13 | gordonjcp | FarrisG: the whole point of RAID is that if a drive goes bad, the data remains available |
| 21:48.16 | shingouz | stupkid: dpkg -l | grep dhcp |
| 21:48.21 | FarrisG | The manufacturer's utility will give me info about it, and tell me the array is in "critical" condition, but it won't let me add spares, etc. I have a feeling it's using software raid instead of the manufacturer's stuff |
| 21:48.23 | streuner | !info dhcp-client |
| 21:48.25 | dpkg | dhcp-client: (DHCP Client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0pl5-19.1 (sid), Packaged size: 99 kB, Installed size: 284 kB |
| 21:48.26 | gordonjcp | you need to determine *which* drive is bad, and replace it |
| 21:48.28 | fusion | but that doesn't stop everyone else who isnt on earthlink to attack earthlink customers? |
| 21:48.39 | FarrisG | gordonjcp: I understand, but I cannot figure out how to properly replace the bad drive in t he array |
| 21:48.45 | asg | fusion: they can block both inbound and outbound (or both) |
| 21:48.52 | FarrisG | gordonjcp: I know which drive it SAYS is bad. |
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| 21:49.08 | shingouz | simonrvn: ty :p |
| 21:49.11 | gordonjcp | FarrisG: usually if you just replace the drive, it will rebuild the data on it by itself |
| 21:49.16 | fusion | yeah but not 100% for incoming mail through another provider |
| 21:49.20 | simonrvn | i take the awrd back |
| 21:49.30 | streuner | simonrvn: why? :-P |
| 21:49.30 | FarrisG | gordonjcp: I'll give it a shot. |
| 21:49.41 | asg | fusion: no, mail will be allowed through the ISP's mail exchangers. |
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| 21:49.44 | gordonjcp | FarrisG: can't hurt, if the drive's already on its way out |
| 21:49.54 | shingouz | streuner: he should be awarded the useless use of the word use award ;) |
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| 21:50.06 | simonrvn | mine would've produced nothing. need to do 'dh*client' |
| 21:50.07 | stupkid | shingouz. i got 3 packages return put they're from woody |
| 21:50.11 | stupkid | not testing |
| 21:50.14 | Dull4o4 | Hey, If i mount a cdrom in kde, then when i unmount it i cant eject it. the drive is bussy, so i have to manuall kill all processes running it (fuser -k /dev/hdc) .. how can i fix this? |
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| 21:50.32 | B_Raven | hey |
| 21:50.42 | simonrvn | leme guess, it's an incomplete dist-upgrade to sarge |
| 21:50.43 | asg | Dull4o4: if the process is a kde io thingy, ask #debian-kde |
| 21:50.46 | shingouz | stupkid: /etc/init.d/dhclient start |
| 21:50.46 | simonrvn | lemme* |
| 21:50.58 | asg | lemmy |
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| 21:51.03 | leo | Hello everybody, I recently installed icoutils trought apt-get, typing icoutils in a terminal do not launch the program, what to do to know which command line i have to type to launch a program? |
| 21:51.10 | simonrvn | lemming |
| 21:51.11 | Dull4o4 | asg, im not sure, something is using the drive after i unmount it.... |
| 21:51.13 | shingouz | simonrvn: it is a fscked up sarge i guess |
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| 21:51.26 | stupkid | shingouz, no such file or directory |
| 21:51.27 | asg | Dull4o4: what does fuser return? |
| 21:51.35 | Dull4o4 | asg, hold on.. |
| 21:51.46 | fusion | Dull4o4 you can do lsof /dev/hdc and see what processes are using it |
| 21:51.51 | simonrvn | leo: dpkg -L package name | less |
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| 21:51.55 | asg | simonrvn: I used to be long ago but some bastard stole it while I was on a long holiday :p |
| 21:52.01 | shingouz | stupkid: i think something real odd has happened there. run updatedb |
| 21:52.11 | simonrvn | :/ |
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| 21:52.23 | shingouz | stupkid: after updatedb has run all the way locate dhclient again |
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| 21:52.35 | Dull4o4 | fusion, not when i have reiserfs :( |
| 21:52.46 | fusion | Dull4o4 ahh :/ |
| 21:52.54 | Dull4o4 | asg, kdeinit last time.. but now it worked :/ must try again.. hold on :) |
| 21:52.55 | streuner | simonrvn: for what? to hand me my award? :-) |
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| 21:53.39 | slugbug | What tool could I use to dump a CD-ROM to an ISO image? |
| 21:53.49 | shingouz | slugbug: dd |
| 21:53.50 | streuner | dd |
| 21:53.53 | incorrect | i there the modem perl libs in a package? |
| 21:53.57 | slugbug | ah, that simple, then? |
| 21:54.00 | slugbug | okay, thanks |
| 21:54.04 | shingouz | slugbug: yes |
| 21:54.22 | Dull4o4 | asg, it's kdeinit |
| 21:54.24 | slugbug | dd if=/dev/scd0 of=whatever.iso? |
| 21:54.32 | Dull4o4 | asg, i'll ask in debian-kde, thanks |
| 21:54.33 | shingouz | slugbug: about so |
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| 21:54.49 | slugbug | okay, it seems to be working |
| 21:54.51 | slugbug | thank you |
| 21:54.56 | shingouz | slugbug: np |
| 21:55.00 | doleyb | how can i open an iso like it was a tar? |
| 21:55.14 | shingouz | doleyb: mount with loop |
| 21:55.22 | slugbug | doleyb, yeah mount with loop |
| 21:55.22 | doleyb | that's not nearly the same |
| 21:55.29 | streuner | doleyb: debian iso images are in tar? |
| 21:55.37 | shingouz | doleyb: what do you mean then? |
| 21:55.44 | Dull4o4 | fusion, know how to do the same but on reiserfs? |
| 21:55.45 | doleyb | extract the files as a non-root user. |
| 21:55.56 | fusion | Dull4o4 no sorry I don't :/ |
| 21:56.22 | Dull4o4 | fusion, ok :) |
| 21:56.28 | phorce1 | apache, the Debian way, is two separate servers for http and https. If I want them to serve the exact same pages with https using a self signed cert do I need to make sure I alway make the /etc/apache/httpd.conf and /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf match exactly (including loaded modules like php)? |
| 21:56.31 | slugbug | hmm, I think that the disc is scratched |
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| 21:56.42 | shingouz | doleyb: just mount it so that the non-root can access the mounted iso |
| 21:56.53 | Dull4o4 | fusion, fuser -k, is good though ;) |
| 21:57.03 | fusion | Dull4o4 hehe I'll remember that :P |
| 21:57.04 | doleyb | shingouz: how can I do that if I am not root? |
| 21:57.20 | asg | phorce1: why don't you just use apache + mod_ssl |
| 21:57.28 | shingouz | doleyb: mount as root to a suitable location |
| 21:57.31 | FarrisG | gordonjcp: That was no fun. I really hate this card's management interface |
| 21:57.34 | streuner | simonrvn: :-) |
| 21:57.44 | gordonjcp | heh |
| 21:58.00 | doleyb | shingouz: that's another thing only root can do. i am a user, i download an iso, how can i get a file out without the root pw? |
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| 21:58.17 | FarrisG | gordonjcp: It's still not acting right. I added an extra drive to see if I can use it as a spare. |
| 21:58.20 | justin | phorce1: since when does debian have an apache way? |
| 21:58.22 | phorce1 | asg: I'm trying that -- and I've broken something. :-D no apache at all right now and I can't seem to get mod_ssl to accept the self signed cert that worked fine with apache-ssl |
| 21:58.32 | shingouz | doleyb: hmmm.... burn it on a rw and grab the files from there? |
| 21:58.50 | phorce1 | justin: The way debian separates ssl/perl/normal apache installs. |
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| 21:59.11 | asg | phorce1: then create another self-signed cert (or check your logs and find out why it doesn't like it) |
| 21:59.16 | doleyb | shingouz: ok, assuming root has already setup a cdrecord i can use setuid... so you don't think there's a way to open it like a tar. |
| 21:59.35 | shingouz | doleyb: i dont think what you want to do is possible |
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| 21:59.42 | justin | !+info libapache-mod-perl |
| 21:59.45 | dpkg | libapache-mod-perl: (integration of perl with the Apache web server), section perl, is optional. Version: 1.29.0.3-6 (sid), Packaged size: 473 kB, Installed size: 1184 kB |
| 21:59.47 | B_Raven | finaly! My legal copy of libdvdcss :D *mutters darkly about legal restrictions in some countries* |
| 22:00.18 | doleyb | i wonder if there is a backwards mkisofs |
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| 22:00.41 | shingouz | doley sfosikm? :p |
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| 22:01.09 | phorce1 | asg: it gripes about CN not matching. The machine currently has no "real name" because it's going to be dropped into the place of another machine that is currently online using a different OS that has the fqdn that will be assigned to this server. Thing is, apache-ssl worked fine with a self signed cert and a bogus machine name. |
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| 22:02.05 | doleyb | B_Raven: what country are you? |
| 22:02.06 | phorce1 | doleyb: for what? |
| 22:02.39 | CyL | exit |
| 22:02.39 | doleyb | phorce1: i had been looking for way to extract an iso like a tar or zip |
| 22:02.55 | asg | doleyb: mount -o loop,ro foo.iso /mnt/point |
| 22:03.02 | asg | doleyb: copy off what you want |
| 22:03.06 | phorce1 | doleyb: dd -if=/dev/cdrom -of=file.iso |
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| 22:03.41 | doleyb | asg: that is not the same. Only root can do that, unless you have a very nonstandard kernel. |
| 22:03.46 | shingouz | phorce1: the other way around. he has the iso but he wants the files |
| 22:03.47 | phorce1 | doleyb: to create an iso from a cd -- mount as asg said to open it up |
| 22:04.02 | asg | doleyb: then ask your administrator to give you permission or do it for you |
| 22:04.24 | doleyb | asg: yeah, but to transform one user-owned file to another user-owned file should not need help from root. |
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| 22:05.14 | asg | doleyb: no, but loopback mounting does, and that's the only way I'm aware of. |
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| 22:05.32 | m0p | Does anyone know of a decent video editing app that can import mpg? |
| 22:05.42 | shingouz | kino |
| 22:05.52 | m0p | tried it |
| 22:05.55 | m0p | can't import mpg :( |
| 22:06.03 | shingouz | lives |
| 22:06.26 | doleyb | m0p: run it through mplayer first to convert to avi or jpg? |
| 22:06.32 | m0p | hmmmm |
| 22:06.36 | m0p | won't that take ages? |
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| 22:06.48 | doleyb | m0p: time isn't the problem, disk space and quality loss is. |
| 22:06.53 | m0p | hmmmm |
| 22:07.02 | Xinux | bah i need to run a windows game |
| 22:07.13 | Xinux | ive tried wine on it |
| 22:07.29 | Xinux | came up with a "External exception 800C" |
| 22:07.32 | fusion | Xinux google the game with keywords such as linux port you may find someone has done it before |
| 22:07.33 | doleyb | Xinux: what game? tried cedega? |
| 22:07.36 | shingouz | Xinux: need? *need* to run a game? get a gamecube or something |
| 22:07.58 | asg | Xinux: ask #winehq |
| 22:07.58 | Xinux | doleyb: Soldat |
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| 22:08.11 | pipeline | Xinux: Soldat kind-of sort-of works in wine. It doesn't work well. |
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| 22:08.35 | m0p | damnit! mplayer isn't in my apt repositories |
| 22:08.35 | Xinux | what is cedega? |
| 22:08.43 | m0p | Xinux, WINE, but for games |
| 22:08.43 | asg | m0p: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:08.43 | Xinux | !cedega |
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| 22:09.06 | Xinux | free, or you have to buy? |
| 22:09.10 | shingouz | Xinux: buy |
| 22:09.13 | asg | Xinux: you have to buy it |
| 22:09.17 | Xinux | ahhh, gay |
| 22:09.20 | m0p | it's £3 a month |
| 22:09.23 | Xinux | eww |
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| 22:09.34 | asg | Xinux: then just run Windows |
| 22:09.39 | Xinux | nooooooooo |
| 22:09.47 | shingouz | get a game console |
| 22:09.48 | asg | then don't play Windows games *shrug* |
| 22:09.51 | Xinux | i dont like running Windows just to play a game |
| 22:10.00 | shingouz | then dont play the game |
| 22:10.05 | Xinux | shingouz: its for the computer, not for a game console; idiot |
| 22:10.22 | shingouz | Xinux: geee.... thanks. |
| 22:10.22 | phorce1 | then buy a separate computer just for games. |
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| 22:11.14 | pipeline | Xinux: Cedega is actually /behind/ regular wine on compatibility. It's just easier to set up. |
| 22:11.17 | zumbi | hello, i have kernel 2.6.11.7 and i have to recompile the kernel, could i add directly 2.6.11.10 patch or do i have to patch with ...8 ...9 ...10 ? |
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| 22:11.22 | fusion | calling people idiots when YOU'RE asking for help isn't polite. |
| 22:11.26 | m0p | Damn, I cant connect to that marrillat server |
| 22:11.30 | asg | zumbi: you have to go in sequence |
| 22:11.36 | m0p | it says "too many connections from IP" |
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| 22:11.41 | asg | m0p: then wait a bit |
| 22:11.44 | doleyb | pipeline: there are many games wine is less compatible, cd-testing and direct3d especially. |
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| 22:11.47 | zumbi | tnx asg |
| 22:11.58 | asg | zumbi: you're welcome |
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| 22:12.29 | aFlag | calling people idiots is never polite |
| 22:12.37 | pipeline | doleyb: copy protection will never work properly in wine. Period. Cedega uses a few sick, questionably-legal hacks. |
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| 22:12.59 | pipeline | doleyb: And mainstream wine is arguably on par with Cedega for D3D compat now. |
| 22:13.11 | Xinux | phorce1: If I had the money to buy a new computer; I would buy Win4Lin |
| 22:13.19 | poonj | Win4Lin? |
| 22:13.38 | Xinux | really good windows emulator |
| 22:13.38 | Xinux | http://www.win4lin.com/ |
| 22:13.41 | schrankwand | I have a question about anacron. does it call a command twice if the cmd would called twice in the time where the machine was down? |
| 22:13.42 | fusion | dl the vmware trial or something |
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| 22:13.46 | m0p | can Win4Lin even run D3D apps? |
| 22:13.52 | Xinux | i don't really know |
| 22:13.57 | Xinux | pretty sure it can |
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| 22:14.03 | Xinux | the pro version costs 120$ |
| 22:14.04 | shingouz | Xinux: you do not have a lot of choice at this point. either you run the game under wine or cedega or play it on windows. the remaining option is that you do not play the game |
| 22:14.23 | Xinux | shingouz: I will play the game MWUAHAHAHA |
| 22:14.31 | shingouz | Xinux: then go play |
| 22:14.32 | Xinux | its addictive |
| 22:14.34 | doleyb | pipeline: by "mainstream wine", you mean newer than in sid? |
| 22:14.47 | Xinux | trust me, i feel like I will die without it |
| 22:15.00 | asg | schrankwand: iirc, it only runs a job once. |
| 22:15.01 | shingouz | Xinux: then go play and stop bitching here |
| 22:15.11 | m0p | hmm, will converting all of these 1GB MPG files to AVI take up loads of space!? |
| 22:15.21 | schrankwand | well, thanks |
| 22:15.22 | m0p | AVI files are HUUUUUGE! |
| 22:15.26 | shingouz | m0p yes |
| 22:15.30 | m0p | damn!! |
| 22:15.31 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 22:15.35 | FieldySnuts | why bother anyway |
| 22:15.37 | doleyb | m0p: well, the avi converter would have compression options, so you can have them small, but lose detail |
| 22:16.02 | Xinux | keep them MPG ? |
| 22:16.05 | doleyb | m0p: you can set the vbitrate to 300 or some other small number k/s |
| 22:16.06 | m0p | Cause I need to combine several MPG files using kino which can't import MPG |
| 22:16.09 | shingouz | m0p: cant you get the files on the hd in any other format to begin with? |
| 22:16.09 | Xinux | why do you need them AVI? |
| 22:16.19 | Xinux | oh |
| 22:16.27 | FieldySnuts | so then you'll save them back to avi, then back to mpg? gonna be a lot of loss involved |
| 22:16.27 | Xinux | it wont import MPGG |
| 22:16.32 | shingouz | m0p: check out lives |
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| 22:16.41 | m0p | where can I get it? |
| 22:16.50 | FieldySnuts | kino is for pulling from DV cams anyway not general movie editing |
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| 22:16.57 | jazzanova | hi |
| 22:16.58 | FieldySnuts | there's cinelerra but it sucks serious goat ****s |
| 22:17.01 | shingouz | m0p: not sure, i thikn it is not on debian at the moment |
| 22:17.05 | shingouz | hehe |
| 22:17.11 | jazzanova | how do I add php support for apache2 ? |
| 22:17.21 | asg | jazzanova: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 22:17.29 | m0p | so, any other editors I can use to combine several MPG files then compress them? |
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| 22:18.18 | shingouz | m0p: i think there was some odd thing that was able to catenate several mpegs. mencoder? |
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| 22:18.28 | shingouz | no. something else... |
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| 22:18.35 | KiBi | hi |
| 22:18.36 | FieldySnuts | menecoder is powerful but extremely irritating to use |
| 22:18.45 | shingouz | yes it is :( |
| 22:18.56 | asg | shingouz: some can be concatted in place so cat(1) works fsvo of MPG. |
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| 22:19.03 | shingouz | there was some neat utility that was able to do such things from the command line though |
| 22:19.04 | jazzanova | thankjs :) |
| 22:19.06 | FieldySnuts | fsvo? |
| 22:19.09 | m0p | hmm, is libdvdcss2 any faster than libdvdcss? |
| 22:19.20 | asg | !fsvo |
| 22:19.20 | dpkg | i guess fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 22:19.32 | FieldySnuts | in short video editing on *nix reall, really stinks |
| 22:19.36 | m0p | libdvdcss is REAL slow, even on my computer |
| 22:19.39 | fusion | m0p i think the numbers refer to the technology |
| 22:19.44 | fusion | there is css and there is css2 |
| 22:19.48 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :) |
| 22:19.56 | Phated | FieldySnuts: 'ello. |
| 22:20.00 | FieldySnuts | hi, what's up |
| 22:20.02 | m0p | well, I've just upgraded to 2, will this break compatability? |
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| 22:20.12 | fusion | m0p unlikely |
| 22:20.16 | m0p | k |
| 22:20.50 | m0p | well, I'm installing mplayer and mencode. hopefully mencode or mplayer can combine MPEG's |
| 22:21.17 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Nothing much at all. Starting school week after next. |
| 22:21.21 | shingouz | m0p: it was something else, i just cannot remember what it was called. |
| 22:21.24 | doleyb | m0p: no. I don't even know if they can output an mpg, I've only seen them output avi |
| 22:22.02 | Dull4o4 | mencoder can do anything :) |
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| 22:22.16 | Mage__ | transcode is fine too |
| 22:22.22 | shingouz | ty Mage |
| 22:22.30 | shingouz | m0p: transcode |
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| 22:23.07 | shingouz | m0p that package has a few really good tools to make several files into one bigger one and it worls too |
| 22:23.13 | shingouz | command line though |
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| 22:25.37 | phorce1 | how can I force a --purge remove of certain packages without also removing everything that depends on them? I want to remove all apache packages and configs so I can start fresh without also removing things like squirrelmail which I've spent days tweaking. |
| 22:26.08 | Phated | phorce1: backup your squirrelmail configs, purge, and then restore the configs? |
| 22:26.12 | benjamindees | phorce1, check the dpkg manpage, it tells you how to force things |
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| 22:26.26 | goodshit | hi, anyone know if this will work?? i got postfix mail to log to /var/log/maillog . I'm using clamav and clamav.log is under /var/log/clamav.log is it possible to set clamav.log to /var/log/maillog . I mean can you have to progrm running and going to the same log file? or it can't be done?? |
| 22:26.27 | benjamindees | phorce1, but don't screw up :) |
| 22:27.31 | asg | goodshit: check clamd and see if you can specify the facility it logs to (via syslog) instead of its own logfile |
| 22:27.50 | phorce1 | phated: it's more than just squirrelmail. buttloads of SQM plugins that would vanish too. And a few other things. |
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| 22:28.22 | asg | goodshit: man clamd.conf |
| 22:28.22 | goodshit | asg. yeah. so via syslog will auto go to /var/log/maillog? |
| 22:28.25 | Phated | phorce1: <shrug> Refer to the manpage, then. |
| 22:28.45 | asg | goodshit: if you set its log facility to mail.* |
| 22:29.00 | goodshit | this is what i got |
| 22:29.11 | m0p | what bitrate would you recommend I encode to mpeg2 in? keep in mind the original files are DVD quality. what bitrate would still look good, but not be so unneccesarily large? |
| 22:29.34 | shingouz | maybe use that fakee 'yes the package has been installed'-package to mimic apache while you do the reinstall? |
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| 22:29.49 | goodshit | LogFile /var/log/clamav/clamd.log |
| 22:29.51 | yovtronic | hola q tal |
| 22:30.07 | shingouz | yovtronic: english please |
| 22:30.07 | phorce1 | Phated: reading through it now. Looks like I'll have to manually remove all the apache stuff so it appears broken in apt then do apt-get --reinstall to rewrite the missing configs and libs I ripped out |
| 22:30.19 | yovtronic | hello |
| 22:30.20 | goodshit | asg. so what should i do?? |
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| 22:30.37 | asg | goodshit: stop using that, use LogSyslog and LogFacility instead (man clamd.conf) |
| 22:30.47 | Phated | phorce1: It would be a possible option, I guess. Cleaner, somewhat, than forcing removes. Ripping out the apache configs would force dpkg to install fresh version of them. |
| 22:31.31 | m0p | anyone? |
| 22:31.44 | goodshit | asg. so this.. # Use system logger (can work together with LogFile). |
| 22:31.44 | goodshit | # Default: disabled |
| 22:31.44 | goodshit | #LogSyslog |
| 22:31.49 | shingouz | m0p: i guess you just have to test it |
| 22:31.50 | asg | phorce1: dpkg --force-help (you might be able to force it to forget about dependency issues, though do be careful.) |
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| 22:31.59 | asg | goodshit: uncomment it |
| 22:32.03 | goodshit | i see. |
| 22:32.08 | goodshit | so i disable the other log file? |
| 22:32.15 | phorce1 | Phated: yeah -- I broke it badly trying to apache with mod_ssl working on a system that already had apache-ssl and apache installed. I want http and https to both serve the exact same pages using a self signed cert. |
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| 22:32.34 | asg | goodshit: you can or have them both, that's your choice (so sayeth the manpage) |
| 22:32.51 | phorce1 | asg: It's that "be careful" thing that makes me thing manually deleteing the configs for only the "broken" parts will be the best route. |
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| 22:33.00 | goodshit | asg. what do i put for this #LogFacility LOG_MAIL |
| 22:33.11 | asg | goodshit: yes (don't forget to remove the #) |
| 22:33.20 | goodshit | do i chane the LOG_MAIL to /var/log/maillog |
| 22:33.29 | m0p | well, the files total at 4GB roughly at 7500kbit, so a third if that maybe, 1GB file is fine, as long as it looks ok |
| 22:33.30 | goodshit | or just leave it as LOG_MAIL |
| 22:33.41 | goodshit | and that will log into /var/log/maillog? |
| 22:33.44 | asg | goodshit: no, /etc/syslog.conf should already direct facility mail to /var/log/maillog |
| 22:33.51 | asg | goodshit: check to be sure though. |
| 22:33.55 | goodshit | i see |
| 22:33.56 | goodshit | thanks!! |
| 22:33.59 | phorce1 | goodshit: leave it. that's telling it what to report itself to syslog as. |
| 22:34.00 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 22:34.03 | goodshit | so just leave LogFacility LOG_MAIL |
| 22:34.09 | goodshit | and enable syslog |
| 22:34.15 | goodshit | thanks!!! |
| 22:34.19 | goodshit | let me try.. |
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| 22:34.56 | goodshit | what does it mean by #LogFacility LOG_MAIL i mean the LOG_MAIL what does that mean? |
| 22:35.10 | goodshit | is that just some kind of MAIL LOG FILE |
| 22:35.10 | phorce1 | goodshit: that's telling it what to report itself to syslog as. |
| 22:35.18 | goodshit | i see. |
| 22:35.31 | infinity1 | damn. not long till sunday? i'll see if i can drop in to see what its like |
| 22:35.32 | asg | goodshit: no, it's the facility that syslog uses to decide where to send logs (man syslog.conf) |
| 22:35.41 | m0p | ok, if a video is in PAL res, at 7500kbit, what res would look the same quality at 2500kbit? |
| 22:35.43 | phorce1 | syslog decides what to do with log info reported as MAIL or DEBUG or (WHATEVER) |
| 22:35.43 | goodshit | this is what i got in my syslog.conf mail.info /var/log/maillog |
| 22:35.45 | _gentgeen_ | anyone here happen to know the height of the via epia 5000 -- all I keep finding is the width & length |
| 22:35.58 | infinity1 | goodshit: syslog-ng is nonstandard, but its the $(*& bomb |
| 22:36.04 | asg | goodshit: then you should be good to go. |
| 22:36.12 | goodshit | so its logging.. if i set it to use LogFacility LOG_MAIL? |
| 22:36.17 | goodshit | thanks!!! |
| 22:36.28 | asg | goodshit: and don't forget to restart clamd |
| 22:36.30 | goodshit | damn.. that mean maillog file will be HUGE!! |
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| 22:36.49 | asg | goodshit: it will be rotated (man logrotate) |
| 22:36.52 | infinity1 | i need some AV. anyone use spamassassin clam-av plugin? |
| 22:37.00 | goodshit | it does. rotate every day.. |
| 22:37.02 | phorce1 | infinity1: yeah -- after I get all my server crap straightened out I plan to buil a logging box around syslog-ng to clooect the logs for everything in the farm. |
| 22:37.10 | goodshit | thanks asg... |
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| 22:38.29 | infinity1 | ooo SA 3.0.3 is out? hmm ..maybe i should upgrade |
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| 22:39.48 | furrywolf | not too much at garage sales today... olympus 1.3MP digital camera (with macro mode), and a pile of usb cables, flash card reader, etc, $5, ATX power supply, 64mb dimm, few cables, and a scsi card, $1, and a vga extension cable, $0.25. |
| 22:40.02 | phorce1 | infinity1: building new server with postfix/amavis/clamd/spamassassin right now. tying them all together is kicking my butt since I'm using virthosting to keep from needing /etc/passwd entries for every email account. |
| 22:40.32 | shingouz | furrywolf: not too bad. i like yard sales :) |
| 22:40.43 | infinity1 | phorce1: what virt hosting software are you going to use to manage it? |
| 22:41.09 | infinity1 | phorce1: i would recommend skiping amavis. in my experience. it sucks. |
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| 22:41.52 | phorce1 | set up postfixadmin to manage user add/delete -- letting Amavis do the delivery determination and white/blacklisting. |
| 22:42.19 | phorce1 | infinity1: so i don't have to set up maildrop or procmail and make them deal with virtual usernames |
| 22:42.44 | phorce1 | infinity1: the loss of the per-user prefs available through spamc/spamd sorta sucks though. |
| 22:42.45 | infinity1 | phorce1: what email backend |
| 22:42.46 | furrywolf | shingouz: when possible, I go every weekend. :) |
| 22:42.55 | infinity1 | phorce1: is there a demo ui of it anywhere on the web? |
| 22:42.59 | furrywolf | have gotten a lot of good deals |
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| 22:43.30 | phorce1 | infinity1: Courier (IMAP for squirrelmail access only -- and POP3 for remote retrieval) |
| 22:43.30 | infinity1 | phorce1: i went a different route. ended up with an ldap backend instead of mysql |
| 22:43.40 | m0p | how do I combine multiple files with transcode? |
| 22:43.56 | infinity1 | phorce1: cyrus/sieve has been a godsend in my environment. especially with the sieve editor for squirrelmail |
| 22:44.03 | toukitsune | Does anyone know if you can "mount" a FTP account so its like it is part of your file system? |
| 22:44.05 | phorce1 | infinity1: MySQL was enough of a learning curve for me -- no desire to try setting up an LDAP server |
| 22:44.12 | asg | toukitsune: ftpfs |
| 22:44.18 | infinity1 | phorce1: i say if you do it, do it right ;) |
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| 22:44.42 | m0p | ANYONE? |
| 22:44.49 | infinity1 | phorce1: if you want the best setup possible using open source. |
| 22:44.49 | Marble2 | Does anyone know why traceroute doesn't work for me? I've tried tcptraceroute too, that doesn't work. Everything just times out after the first hop. I can use the internet fine |
| 22:44.52 | infinity1 | ... |
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| 22:45.17 | infinity1 | phorce1: go openldap, cyrus,ispman,postfix,spamassassin |
| 22:45.23 | phorce1 | infinity1: I don't like Cyrus' idea of creating mail in it's own format. I want to stay with formats that can be operated on by more common tools (using Maildir here) |
| 22:45.40 | infinity1 | phorce1: yea. sounds great, but doesn't scale. |
| 22:46.01 | phorce1 | infinity1: maia mailguard is a drop in spam/virus/email solution that I won't use because it store ALL mail in MySQL |
| 22:46.35 | infinity1 | phorce1: the sweet thing about cyrus is its a cross between courier and a database. |
| 22:47.09 | infinity1 | phorce1: try dovecot |
| 22:47.20 | infinity1 | phorce1: or whatever that other weird one is called |
| 22:47.29 | infinity1 | heh |
| 22:47.41 | phorce1 | infinity1: I'm just more comfortable with regular Maildir been working with it for too long. |
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| 22:48.27 | dondelelcaro | dovecot works fairly well |
| 22:48.28 | phorce1 | infinity1: I installed dovecot before courier because it had similar features and a smaller footprint -- worked good but doesn't support the QUOTA command |
| 22:48.37 | jjb123 | I am having prolems configuring my mouse can someone help? |
| 22:49.08 | infinity1 | phorce1: ummm ..are there screenshots of postadmin around? |
| 22:49.12 | jjb123 | I need to now what port type to use |
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| 22:49.51 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: so implement the quota command... |
| 22:50.02 | jjb123 | Anybody? |
| 22:50.10 | dorijan | infinity1 you mean postfixadmin ? |
| 22:50.11 | phorce1 | infinity1: I don't think I saw any. Lemme see if I can get my apache working real quick so I can grab a couple for you |
| 22:50.14 | meds | i have a dwl-g122 wireless adapter, what's the best way to make it work with 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 22:50.17 | infinity1 | dondelelcaro: when i was researching my architecture, i remember tons of drama between dovecot and others. forget what it was about. |
| 22:50.27 | infinity1 | dondelelcaro: i guess some odd implementation of imap |
| 22:50.32 | infinity1 | dorijan: yea |
| 22:50.37 | dorijan | high5.net |
| 22:50.41 | dorijan | check out their demo |
| 22:50.47 | m0p | how do I combine multiple videos using transcode? |
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| 22:51.00 | infinity1 | dorijan: i don't see a link . did i miss it |
| 22:51.08 | infinity1 | ? |
| 22:51.15 | jjb123 | Someone please help and tell my how to find out what port type my mouse is? |
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| 22:52.01 | jjb123 | Help please! |
| 22:52.02 | streuner | jjb123: mdetect |
| 22:52.03 | shingouz | jjb123: round or square plug |
| 22:52.05 | dorijan | http://forums.high5.net/index.php?showtopic=2212 |
| 22:52.08 | benjamindees | if it's round, it's ps/2, if it's rectangular, it's usb |
| 22:52.26 | benjamindees | umm, if it's trapezoidal, serial :) |
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| 22:52.36 | dorijan | hmm |
| 22:52.39 | dorijan | seems they removed the demo |
| 22:52.41 | dorijan | one sec :p |
| 22:52.41 | gan|y|med | hello, have a question concerning acpi and dsdt... after repairing my dsdt my fan in my nb runs all the time... in linux (knx hdd install) and strangely under winxp too |
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| 22:52.51 | jjb123 | it is a ps/2 but how do I configure it right at the install, there are like 7 options, not port types but other stuff |
| 22:52.56 | m0p | anyone!? :( |
| 22:53.02 | toukitsune | E: Couldn't find package ftpfs |
| 22:53.06 | TNKS | Can someone quickly explain what the "repeater" is that GPM provides? |
| 22:53.12 | streuner | gan|y|med: #knoppix |
| 22:53.13 | dondelelcaro | infinity1: dunno, I haven't run into any issues. However, it does look like there is a QUOTA plugin for dovecot already |
| 22:53.23 | toukitsune | asg: there is no ftpfs package |
| 22:53.38 | dorijan | infinity1 the easiest thing would be downloading it and trying it |
| 22:53.40 | dorijan | takes like 5 mins |
| 22:53.42 | m0p | ffs |
| 22:53.45 | dorijan | you only need apache+php+mysql |
| 22:53.47 | infinity1 | dorijan: doh |
| 22:54.02 | asg | toukitsune: there used to be. It might now be old and unmaintained. If you have the choice, though, shfs is quite nice. |
| 22:54.03 | gan|y|med | sorry, but it is debian sarge not knoppix so again: |
| 22:54.06 | shingouz | m0p: sorry on that one, been a long time since i last used it and i had to do some serious rtfm before i was able to combine two files with it. it is doable though |
| 22:54.14 | m0p | k |
| 22:54.18 | infinity1 | yea. i don't want to set it up. |
| 22:54.21 | gan|y|med | after repairing my dsdt my fan in my nb runs all the time... in debian sarge and strangely under winxp too |
| 22:54.30 | dorijan | tar xfvz file.tar.gzt |
| 22:54.32 | dorijan | too much for you ? :p |
| 22:54.37 | infinity1 | dorijan: yep |
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| 22:54.41 | infinity1 | :) |
| 22:54.41 | toukitsune | shfs will mount FTP into the filesystem? |
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| 22:54.56 | dorijan | then better dont use it or get your admin to do it |
| 22:54.57 | asg | toukitsune: no, ssh (sftp) |
| 22:55.01 | shingouz | gan|y|med: how did you install the sarge there? |
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| 22:55.17 | infinity1 | dorijan: yes. i don't plan on using it. i just want to see it. i already have something similar setup. |
| 22:55.19 | toukitsune | ? |
| 22:55.22 | m0p | well, I done a little test, it tried to seperate the mpeg and the audio |
| 22:55.32 | m0p | is there a switch to combine the two? |
| 22:55.34 | gan|y|med | with a dvd. what do u mean? |
| 22:55.57 | shingouz | gan|y|med: did you install it with the sarge installer? |
| 22:56.26 | infinity1 | phorce1: did you try this? http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ClamAVPlugin |
| 22:56.34 | infinity1 | phorce1: i would try that before i get near amavis |
| 22:56.38 | asg | toukitsune: google for the source and compile it, it is apparently no longer in Debian. |
| 22:56.47 | gan|y|med | no |
| 22:56.52 | m0p | wait, I need to use MPEG4 to combine Audio and Video right? |
| 22:56.56 | toukitsune | asg nevermind |
| 22:57.02 | shingouz | gan|y|med: so how did you install it then |
| 22:57.34 | shingouz | m0p yes i think so but that is divx |
| 22:57.52 | asg | toukitsune: there may be more info in the lufs-utils or lufs-source package about what you need to do. |
| 22:57.54 | drac | gan|y|med: 'knx hdd install', is that 'knoppix hdd install' ? |
| 22:58.03 | PerfDave | drac: Or Kanotix? |
| 22:58.10 | gan|y|med | if u mean the new installer, i think not, it is still the standard thing i had already used with woody... it is a debian testing snapshot on a dvd in a newspaper. satisfied? |
| 22:58.14 | drac | ah |
| 22:58.30 | m0p | trying to use MPEG4 says "(split.c) failed to read VOB navigation file 100" :| |
| 22:58.41 | bonez41 | I want to mount a drive on a networked windows machine, at \\DEBRA\C but mount -t smbfs //DEBRA/C /debra wont' mount it....what am I doing wrong? |
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| 22:58.57 | shingouz | gan|y|med: the reason for the questions is that a knoppix into debian is not debian and is pretty much unsupportable |
| 22:59.14 | juanmals | does anybody know a tool to translate from the command line? |
| 22:59.21 | justin | !tell bonez41 about doesn't work |
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| 22:59.35 | shingouz | gan|y|med: what are dstd and nb? |
| 22:59.36 | gan|y|med | i know this! im do not have only one installed linux... |
| 22:59.53 | shingouz | gan|y|med: not all know, believe me |
| 23:00.00 | PerfDave | They're giving away debian testing snapshots on DVDs in a newspaper? |
| 23:00.00 | jul_ | is there some french people here ?? |
| 23:00.04 | PerfDave | !fr |
| 23:00.05 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:00.09 | bonez41 | justin, fair enough...it responds with this: zugraum:/home/scott# mount -t ntfs /dev/DEBRA/ /debra mount: special device /dev/DEBRA/ does not exist |
| 23:00.31 | juanmals | !es |
| 23:00.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:00.39 | stupkid1 | hey guys |
| 23:00.42 | gan|y|med | nb = notebook. dsdt = Differentiated System Description Table. and yes, they do... |
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| 23:00.43 | shingouz | bonez41: /dev/DEBRA? |
| 23:00.47 | bonez41 | justin, or with this zugraum:/home/scott# mount -t smbfs /dev/DEBRA/c /debra mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/DEBRA/c, or too many mounted file systems |
| 23:00.47 | justin | bonez41: mount -t smbfs //DEBRA/C /debra is not the same as mount -t ntfs /dev/DEBRA/ /debra |
| 23:00.56 | justin | bonez41: make up your mind |
| 23:00.59 | stupkid1 | shingouz, the guys in wrt54g helped me |
| 23:01.04 | stupkid1 | it was problem with openwrt |
| 23:01.09 | streuner | gan|y|med: i see, you are already in #knoppix ;-) |
| 23:01.12 | bonez41 | justin, doesn't work with either of those, i.e., it just returns that same error...... |
| 23:01.16 | stupkid1 | i can get internet now :D |
| 23:01.18 | jul_ | merci mais j'y accède?? |
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| 23:01.25 | shingouz | stupkid1: excellent. |
| 23:01.31 | bonez41 | shingouz, I am posting the output from smbtree in #flood..... |
| 23:01.34 | justin | bonez41: it does not return the "same error" |
| 23:01.50 | justin | bonez41: what happens when you run the command you claimed you ran originally? |
| 23:01.50 | phorce1 | infinity1: like I said. I'm using Amavis to handle final determination of whether a message gets delivered or deleted as spam/virus. Can't really use anything else unless I also want to set up maildrop or procmail to actually handle delivery to the mailboxes. That opens a whole new can of worms when you want 6000+ users to be able to set their own scoring limits. |
| 23:01.55 | bonez41 | justin, ok, you are right..it essentially doesn't mount..that's my point.. |
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| 23:02.28 | shingouz | gan|y|med: could it have something to do with the temp sensors on the laptop? |
| 23:02.30 | justin | bonez41: what point? you claimed one command didn't work, and then when I asked you for more info, you pasted two diffferent equally wrong commands |
| 23:02.34 | stupkid1 | thank you for ya help shingouz :) |
| 23:02.42 | gan|y|med | as i said. i have more than one linux installed. but yes i am "really" in knoppix right now. which doesn't make a difference because as i said, my fan problem prevails in all free and commercial oss |
| 23:02.51 | trym | is there a better way to create a big file other than doing dd with if=/dev/random |
| 23:02.51 | shingouz | stupkid1: np |
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| 23:03.01 | gan|y|med | so u mean a hardware issue...? |
| 23:03.12 | bonez41 | justin, at first I tried just mount -t ntfs /debra which yields the help file.... |
| 23:03.16 | phorce1 | infinity1: http://www.phorce1.us/pfadmin00.jpg there are screenshots labeled pfadmin00.jpg to pfadmin07.jpg. No html index, manually change the number to see each. |
| 23:03.22 | shingouz | gan|y|med: sounds like that if you have the same problem with all the o/s'es on the laptop |
| 23:03.25 | asg | gan|y|med: you might be better off asking on an acpi list. Fiddling with your dsdt shouldn't affect hardware. |
| 23:03.29 | stupkid1 | and others that tried to help me. |
| 23:03.30 | stupkid1 | thanks |
| 23:03.37 | goron | I want to get a file from a remote server(which I connect to via another computer) (thus two times ssh), but I am behind a NAT, and am not really sure of how I can get it to work. |
| 23:04.06 | justin | !lart bonez41 |
| 23:04.19 | shingouz | goron: can you configure the nat? |
| 23:04.22 | goron | I forwarded port 22 to 192.168.2.103 in the router and I am scping to <ip-address of router> |
| 23:04.31 | gan|y|med | do u know an acpi list... i am pretty much out of resources... and it seems to me the problem occured when i fixed and recompiled y dsdt... i know it practically impossible |
| 23:04.35 | asg | goron: ( ssh -t serverone ssh -t servertwo cat file ) | cat - >> localfile |
| 23:04.35 | shingouz | goron: try scp |
| 23:04.54 | sparr__ | Why would bash tell me "no such file or directory" when i try to run './foo'? foo is there, its executable, bash even knows about it because i can do ./foTAB and have it complete for me. |
| 23:04.54 | goron | shingouz: I have that option, yes, but I don't know whether I did it correct. |
| 23:05.03 | bonez41 | justin, thanks..just what I expected..but didn't hope for |
| 23:05.04 | shingouz | goron: listen to asg rather than me :) |
| 23:05.34 | justin | bonez41: if you want someone to help you you are going to have to stop changing your story |
| 23:05.38 | justin | bonez41: and pay attention |
| 23:05.42 | goron | asg: Does that also work for directories? (recursive) |
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| 23:05.46 | justin | sparr__: what does it actually say |
| 23:05.50 | teun | sparr__: is 'foo' a script executing some other program (which doesn't exist)? |
| 23:06.06 | asg | goron: no, you might tar it though |
| 23:06.17 | bonez41 | justin, ok, I am confused....thus the changing story....I want to mount /DEBRA/C on machine named DEBRA......... |
| 23:06.27 | bonez41 | justin, you have my full attention |
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| 23:06.57 | justin | bonez41: what happens when you run the command you claimed you ran originally? |
| 23:07.02 | masoft | How can I set numlock on when linux start ? (Bios seted correctly, my problem is Linux) |
| 23:07.15 | bbrazil | masoft: setleds |
| 23:07.27 | sparr__ | Jussi: bash: ./stool: No such file or directory |
| 23:07.29 | sparr__ | teun: no |
| 23:07.38 | goron | asg: And what about configuring NAT so I can use scp? |
| 23:07.55 | toukitsune | is there any documentaition on how to install debian with XFS? Also can it be done with sarge? |
| 23:08.05 | streuner | yes |
| 23:08.08 | asg | goron: use port forwarding |
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| 23:08.32 | bonez41 | justin, I believe this was my original command, and its response: zugraum:/home/scott# mount -t smbfs //DEBRA/C /debra mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //DEBRA/C, or too many mounted file systems |
| 23:08.45 | streuner | toukitsune: /msg dpkg ig |
| 23:09.00 | goron | asg: I forwarded in my router port 22 (which I believe is ssh) to 192.168.2.103 (which is my machine where I want it to connect to). |
| 23:09.00 | jethro | god bless good food |
| 23:09.08 | goron | asg: Is that correct? |
| 23:09.10 | bonez41 | justin, I try that also with ntfs instead of smbfs....to no avail... |
| 23:09.12 | asg | goron: should be |
| 23:09.23 | justin | bonez41: smbfs is the right type |
| 23:09.31 | asg | goron: try ssh <your nat-router> and verify you end up on x.x.2.103 |
| 23:09.34 | gan|y|med | toukitsune: i have installed sarge with jfs. works fine. but i had trouble booting first time as the initrd didn't work as it shpuld have |
| 23:09.34 | bonez41 | ok..... |
| 23:09.36 | justin | bonez41: do you have teh smbfs package installed? |
| 23:09.51 | sparr__ | other than stool not existing, what would cause this (no stool jokes please)? /usr/bin/ldd: line 162: ./stool: No such file or directory |
| 23:09.53 | KerPlunk | What is a good newsgroup client program? |
| 23:09.55 | toukitsune | jfs? |
| 23:10.01 | jethro | KerPlunk: slrn |
| 23:10.09 | justin | sparr__: what type of file is this "stool" |
| 23:10.12 | goron | asg: Ok, then when I do the scp, it asks for a password, but when I type my password, it does not accept is: Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 23:10.15 | sparr__ | justin: binary |
| 23:10.25 | bonez41 | justin, hmmm installing it now...I had incorrectly assumed it was installed on this machine, when it was not... |
| 23:10.28 | justin | sparr__: what does file say specifally |
| 23:10.39 | gan|y|med | asg: do u know an acpi list... i am pretty much out of resources... |
| 23:11.08 | sparr__ | stool: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 23:11.08 | masoft | bbrazil, and insert it in RCs ? |
| 23:11.08 | justin | goron: telnet to that address on port 22, what does it say |
| 23:11.09 | sparr__ | i assume thats normal |
| 23:11.09 | sparr__ | i dont use file on binaries often |
| 23:11.09 | gan|y|med | toukitsune: ibm's journalling fs |
| 23:11.19 | asg | gan|y|med: only anything on acpi.sourceforge.net (they might have one, but I'm not sure offhand.) |
| 23:11.23 | bbrazil | masoft: thats one eay, it won't affect X though |
| 23:11.27 | bbrazil | *way |
| 23:11.33 | bonez41 | justin, thank you....sometimes takes a toothpick aside my head....sometimes something more like a railroad tie! |
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| 23:11.48 | goron | asg: portforwarding works :) |
| 23:11.55 | goron | asg: portforwarding works :) |
| 23:12.16 | asg | goron: cool |
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| 23:12.32 | goron | asg: But the problem now is that my key isn't accepted. |
| 23:12.54 | gan|y|med | thx |
| 23:12.57 | sparr__ | justin: is that normal output? |
| 23:13.01 | justin | sparr__: yep |
| 23:13.14 | sparr__ | so im lost again :( |
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| 23:13.41 | toukitsune | is XFS actualy a good FS to use instaid of EXT3? |
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| 23:14.00 | drac | toukitsune: yes. |
| 23:14.01 | teun | sparr__: you can try to strace it and see what happens |
| 23:14.35 | bonez41 | justin, ok, now that I can mount it...if I cd to /debra....which now works....yet....ls shows the contents of /debra's root, but cd'ing to any other directory returns zugraum:/debra/Program Files# ls ls: reading directory .: Permission denied , does that mean permissions aren't correctly set on /debra? |
| 23:14.41 | sparr__ | teun: execve("./stool", ["./stool"], [/* 21 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 23:14.42 | toukitsune | how does XFS deal with damage caused from power failior? |
| 23:15.30 | goron | asg: I am not sure what key to put where :( |
| 23:15.37 | teun | sparr__: weird... did you type './stool' or did you use tab completion? |
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| 23:16.02 | infinity1 | toukitsune: ext3 is the best filesystem ever!!! |
| 23:16.07 | infinity1 | toukitsune: uhh ..not :) |
| 23:16.10 | gan|y|med | good joke |
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| 23:16.12 | asg | goron: well, start looking at logs on the internal machine and see if there is anything in there that stands out |
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| 23:16.19 | masoft | Is there any config in Linux that make numlock off ? where is that ? |
| 23:16.19 | streuner | !start an fs war |
| 23:16.19 | dpkg | ffs uses too much overhead! |
| 23:16.33 | infinity1 | lol |
| 23:16.39 | gan|y|med | sry, but a slow fs cannot be the best fs |
| 23:16.45 | bowman | anyone know how to set the tab width in vim? |
| 23:16.59 | meds | :set tabstop 3 |
| 23:17.05 | shingouz | masoft: .bashrc? |
| 23:17.09 | bowman | thx |
| 23:17.12 | toukitsune | infinity1: don't have to be sarcastic. I don't know a whole lot about file systems so I thought I would ask |
| 23:17.17 | bbrazil | gan|y|med: don't be sure of that, if it had builtin hamming code it could be very redundant == good |
| 23:17.21 | toukitsune | I want something that is safe for my files |
| 23:17.28 | infinity1 | toukitsune: i couldn't help it. sorry :) |
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| 23:17.36 | sparr__ | teun: both |
| 23:17.50 | infinity1 | toukitsune: actually, i would say most all file systems for linux are relatively safe. |
| 23:17.50 | streuner | toukitsune: RAID 1 and backup are safe (TM) |
| 23:17.52 | masoft | shingouz, it's just for bash ! is there anything in kernel ? |
| 23:17.58 | furrywolf | !start a war war |
| 23:17.58 | dpkg | OS wars suck ass! |
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| 23:18.03 | shingouz | masoft: not that i know of |
| 23:18.06 | FieldySnuts | !start a badger war |
| 23:18.06 | dpkg | kawfees suck compared to badgers |
| 23:18.09 | furrywolf | !start a war war |
| 23:18.09 | dpkg | file system wars suck ass! |
| 23:18.10 | goron | asg: Only when I didn't put in a password for a long time, a message came up. |
| 23:18.14 | furrywolf | heh :) |
| 23:18.17 | infinity1 | toukitsune: i would go with a journaling one personally. but they all repair fairly well in my experience. |
| 23:18.22 | teun | sparr__: hmm weird, i'm out of ideas then :( |
| 23:18.39 | justin | bonez41: depends if you were doing that as root or not |
| 23:18.43 | gan|y|med | bbrazil: ok i am not that into it, but aren't there better alternatives to ext3, especially when it comes to performance |
| 23:18.44 | bowman | meds: and the indentation after newline? |
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| 23:21.11 | infinity1 | bbrazil: lets not start an arguement |
| 23:21.15 | jason__ | i need to build the ivtv drivers but i'm getting an error in dmesg |
| 23:21.17 | KerPlunk | !start a distro war |
| 23:21.17 | dpkg | Mandrake sux0rz! |
| 23:21.20 | Drizzt321 | jason__: yup, I do |
| 23:21.23 | asg | goron: try it and see. |
| 23:21.28 | gan|y|med | i have had problems with reiser recently, but doesnt have to be the fs itself |
| 23:21.29 | toukitsune | pipeline: whats great about ext3 over XFS? |
| 23:21.31 | pipeline | infinity1, bbrazil : There's no argument to be made. Reiser is a work in progress with a long history of problems. |
| 23:21.32 | Drizzt321 | jason__: what driver version? |
| 23:21.34 | jason__ | Drizzt321, what did you hvave to do to get ivtv working? |
| 23:21.35 | KerPlunk | !start a browser war |
| 23:21.35 | dpkg | Netscape is more secure than Amaya! |
| 23:21.39 | pipeline | toukitsune: Nothing. But if you have to ask on IRC, you shouldn't be futzing with XFS. |
| 23:21.39 | infinity1 | toukitsune: but i would guess ...that 99% of the popel in the channel will tell you reiserfs or xfs. as to which is best, well ...don't ask. |
| 23:21.47 | jason__ | Drizzt321, 0.2.0-rc3j |
| 23:21.51 | meds | i don't know |
| 23:21.52 | streuner | KerPlunk: use /msg dpkg instead |
| 23:22.01 | masoft | I prefer Firefox ! |
| 23:22.01 | infinity1 | pipeline: lol. thats called "instigating" |
| 23:22.05 | goron | asg: But I somehow need to communicate the file to ssh. I am googling for answers. Maybe it will work. |
| 23:22.05 | Drizzt321 | jason__: ah, I'm using the 0.3.4y, and before that the 0.3.2f |
| 23:22.08 | jason__ | Drizzt321, do you have to recompile the standard kernel with support for the ivtv module? |
| 23:22.12 | Drizzt321 | jason__: worked fine for me |
| 23:22.15 | Drizzt321 | jason__: no |
| 23:22.17 | toukitsune | pipeline: please explain |
| 23:22.22 | Drizzt321 | jason__: shouldn't have to, you can compile them seperately |
| 23:22.39 | Drizzt321 | jason__: just need to make sure to install the kernel-headers and kernel-source for whatever kernel you are currently running |
| 23:22.46 | pipeline | toukitsune: Use your brain. Browse the internet for information. If you have to ask, use ext3. That's all I have to say. |
| 23:22.57 | jason__ | Drizzt321, so, just make && make install in ivtv/drivers, then download & extract firmware in utils, make && make install? |
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| 23:23.12 | infinity1 | pipeline: excellent answer. |
| 23:23.28 | gan|y|med | can anybody give reliable resource for fs benchmarks... i am using jfs and reiser on two fairly different machines, so comparing is difficult |
| 23:23.33 | Drizzt321 | jason__: basically. you probably will need to futz with the exact name of the firmware you've downloaded otherwise the script might not detect it |
| 23:23.47 | Drizzt321 | jason__: I think I had to do that. otherwise, basically, yea. should be about it |
| 23:23.47 | toukitsune | well I have used the net and I don't see any explination on pros or cons of different filesystems and sutch. I thought by asking others I could get a better view |
| 23:23.51 | jason__ | Drizzt321, i have the kernel-source installed and linked to linux. what should be done with the kernel-headers? |
| 23:24.11 | Drizzt321 | jason__: apt-get it to correspond with the kernel image you are using |
| 23:24.15 | infinity1 | toukitsune: i would say you haven't searched very hard. i've looked, and have found TONS of information in the past. |
| 23:24.33 | Eclipser | should just using 'a2enmod' to enable mod_ssl work? |
| 23:24.34 | infinity1 | toukitsune: the only fs that i would expect to not find much about is reiser4 |
| 23:24.39 | gan|y|med | toukitsune; once there was a good review on fs-s in linux magazine |
| 23:24.49 | jason__ | Drizzt321, already done but i have linux linked to kernel-source-2.6.8, not the kernel-headers |
| 23:24.56 | jason__ | should i link it to the kernel-headers? |
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| 23:25.10 | Drizzt321 | jason__: no need to link anything once the kernel-headers package is installed |
| 23:25.12 | infinity1 | is reiser4 in the debian kernel source? |
| 23:25.14 | streuner | gan|y|med: isn't that german? |
| 23:25.21 | goron | asg: I only have a random seed on the remote server, not a real public key (unless that's the key ofcourse). |
| 23:25.23 | Drizzt321 | jason__: or did you compile your own custom kernel without using make-kpkg? |
| 23:26.05 | gan|y|med | simply spoken... performance winner (in this order): jfs, xfs, reiserfs, (ext2), ext3. but this is probably a bit too simple |
| 23:26.12 | jason__ | i didn't compile a custom kernnel. i just installed the source, linked it to linux, did cp boot/config-2.6.8-2-386 .config && make-kpkg --config old configure |
| 23:26.22 | meds | with make-kpkg do i use --initrd or not? |
| 23:26.23 | infinity1 | ic. reiser4 for debian is accessable via kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4 |
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| 23:26.34 | gan|y|med | there is an english version. but ya, basically it is. |
| 23:26.39 | asg | goron: and your standard user/password combination didn't work? |
| 23:26.44 | infinity1 | meds: depends. ask google. |
| 23:26.46 | goron | asg: no |
| 23:26.54 | jason__ | Drizzt321, what did you do? |
| 23:27.00 | Drizzt321 | jason__: erm...what you're saying is you did apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 basically, right? |
| 23:27.01 | asg | goron: is the internal server configured for only public/private key? |
| 23:27.05 | goron | asg: Well, my username is different. |
| 23:27.15 | Drizzt321 | jason__: to get the kernel-source package? |
| 23:27.15 | asg | goron: oh, try ssh user@server |
| 23:27.24 | jason__ | Drizzt321, yes, but i also have the kernel-headers installed |
| 23:27.40 | goron | asg: Ah, right, I was doing scp all the time, but testing ssh should be done first. |
| 23:27.42 | streuner | gan|y|med: that magazin effects mostly system admins, for a 'normal' user its simply enough to just use a journal FS? |
| 23:28.02 | asg | goron: if that works, scp user@server ... should work just fine. |
| 23:28.03 | jason__ | actually scratch that- i don't have the kernel-headers |
| 23:28.05 | jason__ | just the source |
| 23:28.10 | Drizzt321 | jason__: you already have the kernel-image-2.6.8 installed, no need to use make-kpkg to make you're own kernel, which is basically what you've done from what I understand |
| 23:28.21 | gan|y|med | as far as i know, not |
| 23:28.29 | Drizzt321 | jason__: yea, try getting the kernel-headers package |
| 23:28.32 | jason__ | Drizzt321, no, i think i just loaded the configuration from /boot |
| 23:28.48 | goron | asg: Yeah, that works. |
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| 23:29.06 | goron | asg: Ok, the rest should be doable now. |
| 23:29.11 | gan|y|med | reiser is said to have a very high cpu load. on a slower machine another fs might be better, probably even ext3 |
| 23:29.11 | asg | goron: yep |
| 23:29.12 | goron | asg: Thanks |
| 23:29.16 | asg | goron: you're welcome |
| 23:29.24 | goron | asg: You are too kind :) |
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| 23:29.36 | technos | Weirdest thing. With the machine on it's right side (the way it's supposed to be) the SCSI devices flip out. Disc errors, timeouts, journal errors.. On the lft side, everything works fine. |
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| 23:29.39 | asg | goron: nah, I'm usually a right bleedin' bastard |
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| 23:29.49 | RvGaTe | boooooooooooooooooring.... (<- isn't really helping anyone isn't it... :P) |
| 23:30.09 | jason__ | Drizzt321, ok, now i have kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 in /usr/src |
| 23:30.25 | Drizzt321 | jason__: did you install the package? |
| 23:30.27 | jason__ | yes |
| 23:30.35 | Drizzt321 | jason__: ok, now try compiling ivtv |
| 23:30.40 | jason__ | apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
| 23:31.07 | jason__ | what should i do about linux being linked to kernel-source-2.6.8. should i delete the link? |
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| 23:31.35 | Drizzt321 | jason__: nope, that is probably necessary, since most tarballs assume the kernel source is in /usr/src/linux |
| 23:31.38 | Drizzt321 | jason__: so leave that |
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| 23:31.54 | jason__ | Drizzt321, doesn't the kernel-source have the kernel-headers? |
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| 23:32.27 | KerPlunk | streuner: What is the point of starting a war if I use /msg dpkg |
| 23:32.32 | KerPlunk | I'm going to start a war with myself? |
| 23:32.36 | Drizzt321 | jason__: yes and no, it has the headers, but the kernel headers package puts them in the corret include dir for programs that don't care about the source, just the headers |
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| 23:33.35 | jason__ | Drizzt321, damn, i'm getting the same error |
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| 23:35.52 | pipeline | m0p: It means that it's processing eleven frames each second. |
| 23:35.55 | m0p | ok |
| 23:36.01 | Drizzt321 | jason__: that is not a compile error |
| 23:36.07 | m0p | so it will play at 25fps though? |
| 23:36.12 | jason__ | Drizzt321, what's the problem? |
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| 23:36.45 | Drizzt321 | jason__: not exactly sure, but seems like it may be some kind of memory allocation error maybe |
| 23:36.48 | shingouz | m0p: the fps when ripping has nothing to do with the actual playback speed |
| 23:36.53 | jason__ | Drizzt321, what should i do? |
| 23:36.54 | Drizzt321 | jason__: try 0.3.4y driver version |
| 23:36.56 | jason__ | ok |
| 23:36.57 | nottu | can bash read from stdinput ? |
| 23:37.09 | m0p | damn, Totem won't open. is it because I'm encoding at the same time? |
| 23:37.15 | Drizzt321 | jason__: which version of the pvr do you have? |
| 23:37.22 | m0p | or is it just a bad config or something else annoying? |
| 23:37.34 | jason__ | pvr-250 MCE |
| 23:37.49 | shingouz | m0p: like if you do the rip on a 386 the fps will probably be something like one frame a month but it will get done eventually. when you play that rip on a suitable computer yuo will get the correct speed |
| 23:37.58 | Drizzt321 | jason__: ah, ok. I was just wondering if it was the 350, I could help you setup the output if you wanted to :) |
| 23:38.03 | jason__ | Drizzt321, what firmware file did you use? |
| 23:38.05 | Drizzt321 | jason__: seeing as how I just finished the same thing |
| 23:38.16 | Drizzt321 | jason__: ahhh...good question |
| 23:38.53 | m0p | I wonder how long it would take to run "make bootstrap" when compiling GCC4 on a 386..... my guess... years |
| 23:38.55 | jason__ | perhaps that's my problem |
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| 23:39.05 | Drizzt321 | jason__: I _think_ its pvr48wdm_1.8.22037.exe but I could be wrong |
| 23:39.18 | jason__ | what url? |
| 23:39.19 | Drizzt321 | jason__: you looked to see what the recommened firmware was on the ivtv wiki? |
| 23:39.34 | noclue | whats the right syntax from removing services from the default runlevel? rc-update ...? |
| 23:39.35 | jason__ | nope |
| 23:39.38 | Drizzt321 | jason__: http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php |
| 23:39.41 | noclue | for* |
| 23:39.44 | Drizzt321 | jason__: wiki homepage for ivtv |
| 23:41.31 | m0p | Ok, if I encoded some files named 1.mpg 2.mpg and 3.mpg, if I gave transcode their directory as input, would it build the resulting file with the 3 mpeg's in numeric order? |
| 23:41.41 | jason__ | i took the first one in the list - pvr48wdm_1.0.20123.exe |
| 23:41.47 | m0p | and play them in order |
| 23:42.15 | shingouz | m0p: i would do it one at the time. (1+2)+3 |
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| 23:42.35 | mihaly | how do i extract a tgz file? |
| 23:42.48 | deadcat | mihaly: tar -zxf file.tgz |
| 23:42.49 | m0p | yeah, but how would I combine them afterwards? |
| 23:42.56 | m0p | will this method work? |
| 23:43.04 | deadcat | noclue: man update-rc.d or just cd /etc/rc2.d and rename the mofo |
| 23:43.06 | jason__ | Drizzt321, i see this in the compile. "Warning: could not find versions for .tmp_versions/ivtv.mod |
| 23:43.06 | jason__ | *** Warning: "msleep_interruptible" [/home/jason/ivtv-0.3.5/driver/tda9887.ko] undefined!" |
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| 23:43.16 | asg | mihaly: /msg dpkg tar |
| 23:43.17 | m0p | I used: "transcode -i /home/joe/Music/Video/G3/ -o /home/joe/Music/Video/G3-LiveInConcert -y mpeg2enc,lame -C 1 -y ffmpeg -F mpeg4 -I 3 -Q 5 -w 2500 |
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| 23:43.47 | Drizzt321 | jason__: hrm. well, something to do with the tda driver, but thats usually not used anyways, so I wouldn't worry |
| 23:43.49 | shingouz | m0p: uh. did it work the first time? as in can mplayer access the resulting file? |
| 23:43.57 | m0p | the first time? |
| 23:44.01 | noclue | deadcat: ill go for the second solution. do i have to remove some links pointing to or from the init scripts? |
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| 23:44.20 | m0p | I've been randomly viewing the output at various intervals, and nothing has overlapped about 4 minutes in |
| 23:44.29 | shingouz | m0p: you havent tried it yet. go ahead and try it, maybe it works |
| 23:44.38 | deadcat | noclue: just rename them to OFF.whatever. thats what i do. |
| 23:44.39 | mihaly | deadcat: tar -zxf file.tgz didn't work |
| 23:44.52 | m0p | or, 80mb, but the original file is 1024mb and I hven't used much compression so it will take ages before the next file is put into the output |
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| 23:45.02 | deadcat | mihaly: file file.tgz make sure its a tar gzip file. |
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| 23:45.10 | shingouz | m0p: true |
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| 23:45.47 | shingouz | m0p it would have been easier to do the testing with a few smaller files.... ;) |
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| 23:46.12 | stupkid1 | how do i change my host name |
| 23:46.16 | stupkid1 | i rename /etc/hosts |
| 23:46.25 | stupkid1 | but it doesn't show the host name i change |
| 23:46.26 | deadcat | stupkid1: /etc/hostname |
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| 23:48.31 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | Sarge d-i rc3 out! /msg dpkg d-i | SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up |
| 23:48.44 | jasoncohen | damn |
| 23:48.47 | jasoncohen | what should i do? |
| 23:49.01 | shingouz | m0p: in that case i shall hide ynder the couch just before the encoding is done |
| 23:49.37 | deadcat | lyosha: check /proc/partitions see if you have sda or sda1 there |
| 23:49.48 | Drizzt321 | jasoncohen: at a guess? power cycle the machine, boot it back up, and take a look in /var/log/syslog to see if there might be a reason it locked. |
| 23:50.03 | shingouz | jasoncohen: get a bigger hammer? wait for a while and if there is no way you can get into the box you have to reset it |
| 23:50.05 | lyosha | deadcat: I have sda1, and that's what I want to mount. Gnome decides to mount /dev/sda instead which obviously doesn't work. |
| 23:50.05 | anhi | i had a nice day. i met a gentoo fan who didn't (!) tell me about his CFLAGs and was angry cos his emerge -u world takes that long and wont work most of the time :D |
| 23:50.25 | deadcat | lyosha: #gnome then. |
| 23:50.42 | lyosha | Right, thanks. |
| 23:50.43 | m0p | I'll keep checking the progress. Each file is 14 minutes long, and so far it's encoded over 4 mins |
| 23:50.44 | goron | anhi: Let me guess: he did man gcc and copied all the flags? :D |
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| 23:52.05 | jasoncohen | lol, it says ivtv detected... then restart |
| 23:52.43 | anhi | goron: well, i couldn't get him to admit debian is by far superior, but we could agree that switching from gentoo to open/free-bsd is a step into the right direction :D |
| 23:52.46 | Drizzt321 | jasoncohen: looks like it crashed as soon as the module started up. is the module loaded now? |
| 23:53.04 | nottu | i have a problem with my squid proxy.. users can't do windows update and access msn... any ideea why ? |
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| 23:53.14 | jasoncohen | no, i can't load it. it starts to load for a few seconds and then locks up |
| 23:53.24 | jasoncohen | i guess i'll need to stick with the .2 branch |
| 23:53.28 | jasoncohen | i used 0.3.5 |
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| 23:55.39 | Drizzt321 | jasoncohen: hrm...I had no trouble with the 0.3.4, haven't tried the 0.3.5 |
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| 23:56.05 | Drizzt321 | jasoncohen: didn't even realize it had been released to .5 |
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| 23:57.24 | jasoncohen | i also seem to have no sound now |
| 23:57.36 | Drizzt321 | jasoncohen: thats odd |
| 23:58.11 | m0p | the transition is near! I'm playing the file currently 10 minutes in, and each file is 14 minutes :D soon I'll know whether this thing works |
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| 23:58.24 | Drizzt321 | jasoncohen: brb |
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| 23:59.37 | dae | I could use some help on how to link my C-program with the profiling version of the GNU libc library (from the libc6-prof package). Any pointers ? |
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