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| 00:02.55 | iLL_Away | anyone got any idea if you can toss your swap file on lvm? |
| 00:03.15 | Guerin | why on earth would you? |
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| 00:04.00 | iLL_Away | in case I'd want to resize it |
| 00:04.33 | Guerin | hdd space is cheap. Just make it 4G to start with, then you won't need to resize it |
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| 00:06.00 | punsad | while compiling the kernel... I'm running into errors (type 2 mainly). I type the the make-kpkg ... kernel-image command again and it appears to pick up where it left off without a problem. Any explanation for this? CPU overheating? |
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| 00:06.21 | j_k | punsad: yes, or bad memory modules. |
| 00:06.47 | j_k | punsad: don't overclock, and have a memtest86 pass eventually. |
| 00:07.27 | punsad | j_k: I don't overclock.. this is a crusty old box with cheap components, so I guess I'm not surprised... |
| 00:07.39 | warnk | hey, I am trying to setup debian as a router, everything looks okay, but the computers on my net barely connect to websites, any have any ideas? |
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| 00:08.06 | j_k | barely? |
| 00:08.30 | warnk | lol, yeah, it pings fine, |
| 00:08.45 | warnk | and the dns from my router is okay, |
| 00:08.59 | warnk | but it takes minutes for the page to load, if it does at all |
| 00:09.30 | punsad | warnk: how fast is the computer? i.e. processor, memory |
| 00:09.33 | warnk | thought it might be iptables, so I flushed everything, and added masquerading, still nothing tho. |
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| 00:09.56 | warnk | haha, 1.4ghz 768m |
| 00:10.33 | punsad | warnk: yeah...that's plenty |
| 00:10.40 | warnk | oops, sorry 512 |
| 00:10.49 | punsad | still plenty |
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| 00:11.19 | punsad | did the box ever load pages fast? or has it always been slow? |
| 00:12.03 | warnk | i am on it right now, it's hooked to my dsl and runs perfect |
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| 00:12.36 | warnk | err.. except for the network |
| 00:13.08 | punsad | warnk: when you ping, what is the time (in millisec)? |
| 00:13.21 | warnk | ping the router? |
| 00:13.30 | j_k | warnk: maybe install and run tcpdump on the router while loading a page from the network, it may give you a hint about what's going on. |
| 00:13.42 | warnk | ahh, didn't even think of that |
| 00:14.20 | warnk | punsad: 3 < ping time < 9 |
| 00:14.25 | punsad | warnk: ping google.com anything |
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| 00:15.02 | warnk | punsad: about 35ms |
| 00:15.05 | j_k | warnk: it's 1ms in local here on my crappy 10baseT network. |
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| 00:15.42 | warnk | yeah, usually I have 1ms or less (my old linux router) |
| 00:16.08 | punsad | warnk: I can dl 44 MB files in 5 minutes and here's my ping summary: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 113.310/117.749/120.464/2.235 ms |
| 00:16.31 | shingouz | warnk: cant you use the same setup on the new one, just compy over the configs |
| 00:16.41 | punsad | warnk: so 3-9ms sounds really fast (not we're looking at the avg time |
| 00:16.52 | punsad | s/not/note/ |
| 00:17.23 | punsad | oh.. 35ms... that's still plenty fast |
| 00:17.36 | punsad | doesn't sound like a routing problem |
| 00:17.43 | warnk | hmm |
| 00:18.06 | punsad | good luck... gotta go! |
| 00:18.28 | warnk | i installed tcpdump, anything I should look for? |
| 00:18.30 | xst | How do I write the IPv4 address x.y.z.w as IPv6? :ffff:x.y.z.w? Or :ffff:w.z.y.x? |
| 00:18.38 | Guerin | warnk: install ethereal too |
| 00:18.38 | j_k | warnk: you're sure there's no data corruption going on? (let a ping run on your local network for some time..) |
| 00:18.42 | Guerin | warnk: if you have a gui |
| 00:18.53 | j_k | xst: ::ffff:a.b.c.d |
| 00:19.04 | Guerin | xst: the first |
| 00:19.08 | xst | OK |
| 00:19.22 | Guerin | also ::foo.bar.baz.bling |
| 00:19.28 | Guerin | i think that works |
| 00:19.32 | xst | Then I don't understand why the address is reversed in auth.log (example coming up) |
| 00:19.58 | xst | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.58 | xst | Failed keyboard-interactive/pam for illegal user usa from ::ffff:68.204.245.95 port 1077 ssh2 |
| 00:20.12 | xst | Notice that the two adresses are reversed |
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| 00:20.33 | j_k | xst: the DNS is reversed. |
| 00:20.34 | mwilson | xst: Notice that you don't know how to read, more like. |
| 00:20.49 | Guerin | xst: that'd be rr reversing it in their hostname, nothing to do with anything |
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| 00:21.29 | xst | Guerin: OK, so in a.b.c.d.some.hostname.com a.b.c.d is reversed for some reason |
| 00:21.32 | xst | ? |
| 00:21.48 | j_k | xst: the guy affecting the hostnames decide. |
| 00:22.10 | Guerin | xst: yeah. arbitrary decision on the part of rr.com |
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| 00:22.25 | xst | Guerin: Thanks! |
| 00:22.34 | j_k | xst: note that many hostnames don't even have numbers in them. |
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| 00:24.23 | xst | j_k: I know. I just wondered if it was some auto-concatenation of hostname + "IP reversed" by PAM (PAM wrote the host-name logentry) or if there was some strange reverse-convention when using IPv4 addresses in IPv6 |
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| 00:24.30 | xst | But now everything is clear :-) |
| 00:24.38 | stouset | slight problem, guys. |
| 00:25.09 | shingouz | stouset: need a hammer? |
| 00:25.14 | stouset | Upgraded the kernel, now, when I boot, I get the message: Kernel can not convert a name into device number. Check the root= argument in your boot loader." |
| 00:25.46 | abrotman | how is that a problem ? |
| 00:25.47 | abrotman | :) |
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| 00:25.57 | stouset | abrotman: It prevents me from booting. |
| 00:26.05 | stouset | At that point, init and mount start failing in an infinite loop. |
| 00:26.09 | abrotman | stouset: your own compiled kernel ? |
| 00:26.14 | stouset | abrotman: Of course not =P |
| 00:26.21 | stouset | Straight out of apt. |
| 00:26.26 | abrotman | cute |
| 00:26.37 | j_k | stouset: what's your root filesystem? |
| 00:26.43 | stouset | j_k: ext23 |
| 00:26.46 | stouset | ext3, even |
| 00:26.54 | j_k | stouset: what's your root device, I meant? |
| 00:26.55 | abrotman | i tried ext23 .. |
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| 00:27.22 | stouset | j_k: root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 |
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| 00:27.29 | stouset | j_k: but it fails when I try /dev/hda1 as well. |
| 00:27.54 | Guerin | stouset: grub? |
| 00:27.55 | _me_ | anoyone know how to set the region on a dvd drive itself? |
| 00:27.57 | stouset | Guerin: Aye. |
| 00:28.06 | Guerin | stouset: hd(0,1) |
| 00:28.13 | Strife | if I modify my /boot/grub/menu.lst file, do I need to run any program to get it installed like was necessary with LILO? |
| 00:28.20 | j_k | stouset: you still have the old kernel, right? |
| 00:28.21 | Guerin | Strife: no |
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| 00:29.10 | stouset | j_k: No. It was an incremental upgrade (2.6.11-4 to 2.6.11-5) |
| 00:29.25 | stouset | j_k: So it overwrote the old one. Either way, I don't think it's a kernel problem since it's not in the BTS. |
| 00:29.32 | Strife | Guerin: excellent, that's what I thought. thank you |
| 00:29.42 | j_k | stouset: are you using devfs? |
| 00:29.47 | stouset | j_k: But I'm not certain what I could have done to trigger this. |
| 00:29.49 | stouset | j_k: udev |
| 00:30.14 | Guerin | stouset: did you try telling it to use hd(0,1)? |
| 00:30.37 | stouset | j_k: I found a bug with the error message in it: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2004/12/msg00241.html. This appears to be occuring in initrd-tools, but I'm not certain how. |
| 00:30.54 | stouset | Guerin: That's my /home partition :-) |
| 00:31.10 | Guerin | stouset: oh, hd(0,0) then |
| 00:31.19 | Guerin | i guess it doesn't work |
| 00:31.50 | stouset | Guerin: That's what it's set to in my menu.lst for the root stanza |
| 00:31.57 | stouset | root (hd0,0) |
| 00:32.09 | warnk | is there anything else that could be causing my network problems? |
| 00:32.10 | Guerin | man, am I stupid or what |
| 00:32.18 | stouset | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11-1-686 root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 ro vga=0x342 |
| 00:32.38 | stouset | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.11-1-686 |
| 00:32.42 | j_k | stouset: try specifying your root filesystem in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf when you manage to boot (rescue CD or something), it may help. |
| 00:33.09 | stouset | j_k: popping in rescue CD now. Is this self-explanatory once I'm in the config file? |
| 00:33.17 | j_k | stouset: yes |
| 00:33.37 | j_k | stouset: you'll also need to re-run mkinitrd, i think, or dpkg-reconfigure your kernel image. |
| 00:33.57 | j_k | stouset: and copy your old initrd somewhere, so you can autopsy it later. |
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| 00:34.35 | stouset | j_k: I see the ROOT=probe line. This would just be set to /dev/hda1? |
| 00:34.49 | j_k | stouset: yes. |
| 00:34.59 | j_k | stouset: don't know if it'll help, however. |
| 00:35.57 | j_k | stouset: but i've seen mkinitrd fail on detecting the root dev in special cases (yours' not, however...) |
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| 00:36.42 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U get the workprint yet? |
| 00:36.42 | Xinux | so frigen sweaty |
| 00:36.46 | Xinux | its so hot outside |
| 00:37.07 | stouset | j_k: Hm, slight problem. The rescue CD is 2.6.8, so that's what mkinitrd is trying to grab modules from |
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| 00:37.12 | TwistedEmotions | fuck yeah it is.. |
| 00:37.49 | stouset | ah, nm |
| 00:37.52 | stouset | Okay, rebuilt the initrd. |
| 00:37.57 | stouset | Wish me luck. |
| 00:37.58 | j_k | stouset: dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-... |
| 00:38.05 | j_k | stouset: ok, good luck! |
| 00:38.12 | stouset | Nope, failed. |
| 00:38.24 | j_k | wow, quick reboot! |
| 00:38.31 | stouset | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:38.38 | stouset | umount: bin: not mounted |
| 00:38.59 | stouset | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.06 | stouset | cat: proc/cmdline: No such file or directory |
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| 00:39.23 | stouset | Along with various other things about proc not being mounted, the root= argument for the bootloader, etc. |
| 00:39.25 | stouset | =\ |
| 00:39.30 | j_k | mind uploading your initrd somewhere ? (or send it to me via e-mail if you can't) |
| 00:40.19 | stouset | j_k: Can't get it off the machine. I've got a wireless net card which uses the ipw2200 driver that I've got to compile specially (ipw2200-source package) and a broken internal NIC. |
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| 00:40.20 | stouset | :-) |
| 00:40.52 | j_k | stouset: no null-modem/plip cable handy? |
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| 00:41.11 | stouset | j_k: Hm, might have one in a drawer somewhere. One sec. |
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| 00:41.57 | j_k | stouset: i'd really like to know what's going on, before I upgrade anything :-) |
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| 00:42.35 | stouset | j_k: Haha |
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| 00:43.17 | stouset | j_k: Nope. Only null modem cable I've got is on my desk at work ;) Once I figure out the problem though i'll be glad to upload the initrd. |
| 00:43.56 | stouset | j_k: Might I also mention that I completely hosed myself by doing an aptitude clean right afterwards, since / was filling up. |
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| 00:44.34 | stouset | j_k: So no old kernel .deb. Hell, I can't even uninstall the kernel and reinstall :-) |
| 00:44.59 | j_k | stouset: well, if there wasn't going to be a problem, you'd probably have hesitated to do that and/or answer Yes to the scary prompt. :-P |
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| 00:45.25 | stouset | j_k: Scary prompt? |
| 00:45.49 | j_k | "remove running kernel image?" |
| 00:45.55 | stouset | j_k: haha. |
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| 00:47.18 | stouset | Ah, found a PCMCIA NIC. Only one Ethernet cable in the room, though, so I'm going to have to drop off IRC. |
| 00:47.22 | stouset | See you in a bit, I hope. |
| 00:47.44 | j_k | stouset: ok, i don't move. |
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| 00:48.23 | j_k | stouset: coffee time here, anyway (2:48am) :-) |
| 00:48.36 | Hellkat | im having trouble getting my audio drivers working? |
| 00:48.39 | jetscreamer | you can remove it as long as you're putting another in, or have another... remember to update your boot loader |
| 00:48.41 | Hellkat | in 2.4 |
| 00:48.44 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 00:48.44 | dpkg | [alsa-bork] modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 00:48.48 | jetscreamer | nm sorry |
| 00:49.00 | jetscreamer | that's a 2.6 factoid |
| 00:49.07 | Hellkat | ;p; |
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| 00:49.14 | jetscreamer | some of it may work |
| 00:49.18 | Hellkat | lol |
| 00:49.18 | Hellkat | !kaffeine |
| 00:49.20 | Hellkat | alright |
| 00:49.23 | Hellkat | thanks |
| 00:49.45 | Jamsi | !coffee |
| 00:49.45 | dpkg | well, coffee is the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
| 00:49.58 | jetscreamer | coffee howto rox |
| 00:50.18 | Hellkat | jetscreamer: either that , or i figure out how to get my orinoco card to work on 2.6 |
| 00:50.20 | Hellkat | !caffeine |
| 00:50.20 | dpkg | [caffeine] every programmers greatest need or the giver of life-source and the taker of sleep or necessary for most system administrators who have to deal with idiots who think that the world starts at 9a and ends at 5p. http://www.reallifecomics.com/comics/20000710.gif, or http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/caffeine/caffeine.shtml |
| 00:50.26 | Guerin | Hellkat: apt-get install module-assistant alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 00:50.27 | Hellkat | dpkg is awesome |
| 00:50.42 | Hellkat | guerin: for the wireless or the sound? |
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| 00:50.54 | Guerin | Hellkat: sound. Don't know nothing about wireless. |
| 00:50.59 | jetscreamer | that mini/coffee.html doesn't exist on my system |
| 00:51.07 | jetscreamer | but it's on tldp |
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| 00:51.27 | j_k | Hellkat: so do you have any modules loaded? |
| 00:51.31 | jetscreamer | !orinoco |
| 00:51.39 | jetscreamer | worth a shot |
| 00:51.56 | Hellkat | !tux |
| 00:51.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tux is a cute cuddly penguin. Worship him. the logo of Linux, or the linux logo because once, while on vacation in the southern hemisphere, Linus Torvalds was bitten on the hand by a penguin! |
| 00:52.01 | jetscreamer | !listkeys orinoco |
| 00:52.03 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'orinoco' by key returned no results. |
| 00:52.21 | jetscreamer | is that why? cool |
| 00:52.22 | Hellkat | !listkeys wifi |
| 00:52.23 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'wifi' by key (6): wifi howto ;; madwifi ;; which wifi cards ;; wifi compat ;; madwifi-install ;; wifi. |
| 00:52.32 | Hellkat | !wifi |
| 00:52.32 | dpkg | [wifi] a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
| 00:52.39 | Hellkat | !wifi howto |
| 00:52.39 | dpkg | somebody said wifi howto was at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 00:53.04 | Thanatermesis | I like a gamepad Saitek P220, how to look if are compatible with linux ? |
| 00:53.04 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg |
| 00:53.36 | zinx | THanter: depends on several things |
| 00:53.39 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=Saitek+P220&restrict=linux |
| 00:53.55 | Thanatermesis | how depend zinx ? o_O |
| 00:53.58 | pureone | http://i.euniverse.com/funpages/cms_content/9482/newsoapbox2.swf |
| 00:54.03 | zinx | Thanatermesis: what interface does it plug in with, and do you consider compatible to be support the buttons, or also support the rumble/force feedback/etc |
| 00:54.04 | jetscreamer | !depends zinx |
| 00:54.18 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:54.24 | Thanatermesis | oh, yes yes |
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| 00:54.42 | zinx | Thanatermesis: if it's USB, it will probably let you use the buttons |
| 00:54.47 | Thanatermesis | only I need to compatible with linux, no the software |
| 00:54.57 | zinx | Thanatermesis: unless it has specific support, it's unlikely it will support any kind of force feedback |
| 00:55.00 | Thanatermesis | yes zinx, use buttons |
| 00:55.14 | zinx | Thanatermesis: if it uses the game port, however, it's not likely it's supported at all :P |
| 00:55.38 | Thanatermesis | no, is a simple gamepad... |
| 00:55.49 | zinx | you should be safe w/ a usb gamepad |
| 00:55.54 | Thanatermesis | If Im buy this... Im don't like to complile my driver... :S |
| 00:56.02 | Thanatermesis | I don't understand C, hehe |
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| 00:58.25 | Strife | which file contains a list of services to run on startup? |
| 00:58.36 | abrotman | Strife: there is no "list" |
| 00:58.37 | jetscreamer | it's a directory |
| 00:58.43 | Strife | ... |
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| 00:58.51 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d, see also /etc/rc* |
| 00:59.00 | Strife | what I mean is this: how do I set it so that it doesn't, e.g., start sendmail on startup? |
| 00:59.03 | abrotman | Strife: more than likely you want /etc/rc2.d |
| 00:59.12 | abrotman | Strife: you kind of need mail |
| 00:59.16 | jetscreamer | strife: quick fix, chmod -x |
| 00:59.20 | abrotman | stouset: fixed ? |
| 00:59.24 | stouset | Well, the kernel wasn't the problem. |
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| 00:59.25 | jetscreamer | see also rcupdate something |
| 00:59.27 | Guerin | jetscreamer: jesus |
| 00:59.31 | stouset | I downgraded, and still get the problem. |
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| 00:59.38 | Guerin | quelle idiot |
| 00:59.38 | jetscreamer | what is it? rc.update.d? |
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| 00:59.47 | Guerin | !iydkdg |
| 00:59.47 | dpkg | If you don't know, don't guess |
| 00:59.49 | Strife | abrotman: no, I don't "kinda need" sendmail |
| 00:59.56 | Strife | in fact, I don't need it at all |
| 00:59.58 | stouset | Oops, back. |
| 01:00.07 | Guerin | rcconf, update-rc.d, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf |
| 01:00.11 | jetscreamer | i guess chmod -x functions |
| 01:00.13 | stouset | Yeah, downgraded and still get the same errors. No boot. |
| 01:00.15 | abrotman | Strife: ok .. but don't complain when stuff breaks .. you've been warned :) |
| 01:00.20 | Strife | isn't there a command you can run to have it automagically enable the service? (I seem to recall there being a way to do it automatically) |
| 01:00.23 | stouset | So upgrading the kernel is probably safe. It's a me problem and not a package problem :-) |
| 01:00.25 | abrotman | rcconf |
| 01:00.26 | Guerin | Strife: all unix systems need at least a local mta. |
| 01:00.27 | jetscreamer | s/guess/'guess'/ |
| 01:00.30 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
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| 01:00.39 | jetscreamer | ahh update-rc.d |
| 01:00.40 | j_k | stouset: or a initrd-tools problem |
| 01:01.02 | thomas_adam | update-rc.d is perhaps best suited to scripts -- just use 'ln'. |
| 01:01.13 | stouset | j_k: I do not believe initrd-tools was upgraded recently. |
| 01:01.40 | Strife | ok, update-rc.d works to remove things... how do I add though? |
| 01:02.18 | Hellkat | http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el |
| 01:02.32 | thomas_adam | Strife: see its manpage. |
| 01:02.33 | Hellkat | the coffee machine source code. |
| 01:02.55 | lee | I am having trouble with ACPI deciding to clean shutdown my machine without warning due to high temperatures, so I'm trying to disable it by booting with acpi=off ... unfortunately, when booting with that option the machine freezes with "hda: host protected area => 1" ... does anybody know what this means and how to fix it? |
| 01:03.29 | stouset | lee: Just out of curiosity. Isn't it a good thing that your computer turns off when it's about to melt? |
| 01:03.54 | lee | stouset: yes, but it'd be a better thing if it would throttle, or increase the fan speed, as it does under windows |
| 01:04.00 | stouset | j_k: I was wrong. initrd-tools WAS upgraded. Downgrading that. |
| 01:04.16 | stouset | lee: Well, then isn't that what you should be asking how to do? :-) |
| 01:04.37 | j_k | stouset: while you're at it, install busybox, configure mkinitrd.conf to use it and put a DELAY in there. |
| 01:04.38 | lee | I read that I should try booting with acpi=off then place the system under load to see if the bios will increase the fan speed, so that's what I'm trying to do |
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| 01:05.01 | stouset | j_k: Never heard of this before. Why/what will it do? |
| 01:05.16 | j_k | stouset: you can get a shell |
| 01:05.27 | stouset | Aah. |
| 01:05.29 | j_k | stouset: and actually use it for something if it has busybox. |
| 01:05.41 | stouset | j_k: Will try. Gotta rip the network cable out again. Back in a few. |
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| 01:07.46 | j_k | stouset: did you use busybox before ? |
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| 01:08.09 | j_k | never mind. |
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| 01:08.23 | dad | how do i change fonts and font sizes on a system-wide basis? |
| 01:08.54 | StereoSkit | hi dudes, i have had a terrible problem here, i have assembled a pc out of used parts pcchips motherboard m748lmrt, pIII 600MHz, quantum fireball 6.1GB hd, well i installed debian weekly shot from the february 12th, the thing is that my desktop was running ok, until the last few days when out of nothing my xmms (i suppose) beetwen other task i was running at the time suddenly freezed and froze my entire system (under blackbox desktop manager), so t |
| 01:08.54 | StereoSkit | here was absolutely nothing for me to do, no error signals, no nothing just freezing, i had just to power off my pc, that happended like 4 or 5 times, until now that this error msg appeared when iniciating my system: |
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| 01:09.06 | StereoSkit | Code: 1f 2a 30 86 ac 0f 32 1b 01 61 a8 80 56 4d c1 5f a4 02 1f 5b |
| 01:09.06 | StereoSkit | <0> Kernel panic: Aiee, Killing Interrupt handler! |
| 01:09.06 | StereoSkit | In interrupt handlerr not syncing |
| 01:09.06 | StereoSkit | Kernel BUG at page_ alloc.c: 260! |
| 01:09.06 | StereoSkit | Invalid operation: 0000 |
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| 01:09.09 | FieldySnuts | ass |
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| 01:09.37 | StereoSkit | Im sorry i didnt mean to flood |
| 01:09.43 | dad | lol |
| 01:09.51 | StereoSkit | i just have a terrible problem |
| 01:10.05 | j_k | StereoSkit: overclocked? bad ram? did you check out stuff like that? |
| 01:10.14 | StereoSkit | kernel panick |
| 01:10.36 | dad | StereoSkit: sux when that happens |
| 01:11.13 | StereoSkit | im going to hang a .txt file in my server if somebody cares to read ill be glad |
| 01:11.38 | dad | StereoSkit: use #flood - and paste it there |
| 01:11.52 | StereoSkit | heh |
| 01:12.02 | dad | that's what that's for |
| 01:12.38 | A_S | Installed sarge with root on RAID1. After installing kernel-image-2.6.11-9-amd64-k8-smp can not boot. Looks like something went wrong with initrd. Any pointers? |
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| 01:13.09 | stouset | Fixed. |
| 01:13.11 | stouset | It was initrd. |
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| 01:13.36 | j_k | stouset: do you have your old initrd handy? |
| 01:13.40 | A_S | Fixed where? |
| 01:13.43 | stouset | j_k: Aye. |
| 01:13.45 | A_S | Yes |
| 01:13.55 | A_S | Old initrd for 2.6.8 |
| 01:14.27 | j_k | stouset: never mind. You should report this nevertheless. |
| 01:14.33 | jetscreamer | hijk,lmnop |
| 01:14.40 | cafuego | Is mailman able to strip attachments and store them at a public url? |
| 01:14.42 | FieldySnuts | aieou? |
| 01:14.42 | stouset | j_k: You don't want the old initrd? |
| 01:14.55 | jetscreamer | a e, i o u some sugar |
| 01:15.02 | j_k | stouset: if it's not too complicated for you, yes. |
| 01:15.18 | jetscreamer | i swear they taught that to us in elementary, said the girl had a hairlip |
| 01:15.39 | jim | StereoSkit: not having seen anything, I'd say you have hardware problems... in any case, you should try to rule out that possibility first |
| 01:15.44 | jetscreamer | that sucks... ii never thought about it that way |
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| 01:16.00 | StereoSkit | jim, i understand |
| 01:16.06 | ash_ | deadcat: who is your ISP? |
| 01:16.24 | stouset | j_k: It's not. Give me a few to file a bug report. However, I *believe* I know what the problem might be. |
| 01:16.25 | A_S | stouset: what was your problem? I might be having the same |
| 01:16.28 | jim | StereoSkit: one thing you might try soon, is run memtest86 |
| 01:16.48 | ash_ | Uhhh.. |
| 01:16.59 | ash_ | someone is using my name... how do I kick them off? |
| 01:17.12 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.13 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 01:17.15 | jim | ash: /msg nickserv help |
| 01:17.20 | cafuego | StereoSkit: kernel panics are caused by either bad hardware or bad software. Did you compile your own kernel? Which gcc did you use? What did you do when the kernel crashed? |
| 01:17.20 | ash_ | thanks |
| 01:17.29 | j_k | stouset: what might it be? |
| 01:17.42 | StereoSkit | jim,ok i will, but i cant run my system |
| 01:17.50 | j_k | A_S: kernel upgrade gave an fucked up initrd. |
| 01:17.53 | darkk_semiaway | hehe, i just noticed this server features nickserv and the nick i tried to use was already taken, lol |
| 01:17.55 | stouset | A_S: kernel fails to boot with new initrd. Various messages about root not being able to be mounted, bin/root not existing, etc. |
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| 01:18.01 | StereoSkit | cafuego, no i use the kernel 2.4.27 which comes with sarge |
| 01:18.05 | stouset | j_k: One of the config flags. Give me a sec. Filing bug report, then I'll tell you. |
| 01:18.26 | cafuego | StereoSkit: Did you do anything special, like unplug or plug hardware, maybe start X when it did poo? |
| 01:18.27 | jim | StereoSkit: if you can boot a floppy and you have another machine, you can create a memtest floppy and boot that |
| 01:18.27 | j_k | stouset: okay. |
| 01:18.39 | j_k | stouset: bcc me on the bug report |
| 01:18.44 | darkk_semiaway | anyways .. night! |
| 01:18.47 | Jamsi | Anyone know what this means, E: Package spamass-milter has no installation candidate |
| 01:18.49 | j_k | stouset: sprite@sprite.fr.eu.org |
| 01:18.58 | A_S | stouset: Having same problem |
| 01:19.09 | StereoSkit | ihere i hunged my .txt, could you please give it a red http://ellv.homelinux.org/albums/kernel_panic.txt |
| 01:19.11 | Jamsi | After an apt-get install spamassassin |
| 01:19.16 | j_k | A_S: downgrade initrd-tools, then dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-... |
| 01:19.17 | jim | Jamsi: you mis-spelled the package name? |
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| 01:19.25 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U there? |
| 01:19.36 | A_S | j_k: Thanks, will try |
| 01:19.42 | stouset | A_S: Reboot with rescue CD. Go to ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/pool/i/initrd-tools and grab initrd-tools 0.1.79 |
| 01:19.51 | stouset | A_S: install, dpkg-reconfigure your kernel image |
| 01:20.03 | TwistedEmotions | hmm... when I use the LS command there is a dictory with spaces in it... do someone know what the syntex is to get into the directory? |
| 01:20.26 | j_k | TwistedEmotions: escape the space with backslash or quote the filename. |
| 01:20.27 | jim | TwistedEmotions: try first few nonspace chars, then tabkey |
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| 01:20.57 | jim | which will do what j_k said, hopefully :) |
| 01:21.47 | jim | (btw,,, LS: command not found) |
| 01:21.50 | TwistedEmotions | So if the directory is called Jack ass... then cd Jack\ass? |
| 01:22.04 | jim | no |
| 01:22.08 | j_k | TwistedEmotions: cd Jack\ ass, or cd Jac<TAB> will do. |
| 01:22.13 | jim | the space is part of the name |
| 01:22.26 | TwistedEmotions | tab doesnt work. I ssh .. |
| 01:22.43 | Bazzi | "Thou shalt not use them spaces in file names." |
| 01:22.46 | j_k | TwistedEmotions: that should be no problem. |
| 01:22.57 | jim | ok, then you're stuck with typing the whole thing |
| 01:23.09 | stouset | j_k: What's your email? |
| 01:23.15 | cafuego | StereoSkit: Step one should be to try a different kernel, just in case it's a bad driver. |
| 01:23.17 | j_k | stouset: sprite@sprite.fr.eu.org |
| 01:23.38 | j_k | stouset: did you sent out the report yet? |
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| 01:23.39 | StereoSkit | cafuego, what happens might be an hardware error, because only the 75% of the times i can successfully initiate my pc on the first time to switch the power-on, the other time i have to switch on-off, on-off, untill the monitor receives some signal |
| 01:23.50 | stouset | j_k: It's too late to bcc you on it. I'll just forward it to you when I receive back a copy, ok? |
| 01:24.00 | j_k | stouset: ok. |
| 01:24.03 | stouset | I *believe* the problem was in the change from MODULES=most to MODULES=dep in the config file. |
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| 01:24.13 | stouset | I'm going to try 0.1.80 again, but with that flag. |
| 01:24.23 | StereoSkit | its a crappy HW i could manage to buy |
| 01:24.25 | StereoSkit | :( |
| 01:24.52 | jim | how long ago did you buy it? maybe you can return it |
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| 01:25.12 | jim | and if you can, you probably should |
| 01:25.28 | j_k | stouset: ah, yes, I see. |
| 01:25.48 | TwistedEmotions | how do I get file sizes for files in a directory? |
| 01:26.00 | j_k | stouset: the ppc-specific thing that ended up being non-ppc-specific :-) |
| 01:26.00 | jim | ls -l |
| 01:26.03 | TwistedEmotions | thanks |
| 01:26.04 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: ls -s |
| 01:26.27 | TwistedEmotions | can I use the -h option for human? |
| 01:26.35 | TwistedEmotions | score |
| 01:26.37 | jim | and you might want to man ls |
| 01:26.37 | TwistedEmotions | thanks guys |
| 01:26.49 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: yes, you can |
| 01:26.55 | stouset | j_k: sending |
| 01:26.57 | stouset | j_k: que? |
| 01:26.59 | TwistedEmotions | cafuego: thanks. |
| 01:27.06 | jim | to see what it says about both of those, and browse around to see if there's other interesting stuff |
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| 01:27.07 | TwistedEmotions | jim: Thanks. |
| 01:27.13 | Blue_ | what is libapr0? |
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| 01:27.28 | coll | guys |
| 01:27.29 | jim | Blue_: a c library |
| 01:27.44 | Blue_ | jim: ok, thanks |
| 01:27.48 | stouset | j_k: PPC-specific thing? |
| 01:27.53 | coll | woody->sarge finished getting packags now i need to set it up |
| 01:27.59 | j_k | stouset: IIRC, Sven Luther made an upload of mkinitrd to fix a bug on powerpc (most gave too-big initrds) |
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| 01:28.12 | StereoSkit | cafuego, is there a step two? |
| 01:28.30 | coll | its asking about some frontend for debconf - dialog, gnme,kde, readline, noninteractive |
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| 01:28.41 | j_k | stouset: the fix was supposed to be specific to powerpc, but it wasn't (arch was checked while building the package, but the package is arch: all) |
| 01:28.43 | coll | which to go with? |
| 01:29.07 | jim | coll: probably dialog... that's the usual |
| 01:29.12 | coll | ok |
| 01:29.17 | coll | im conitnuing |
| 01:29.22 | jim | but that's also assuming |
| 01:29.25 | stouset | j_k: Whoops :-) |
| 01:29.30 | jim | that you have the dialog code installed |
| 01:29.31 | j_k | stouset: ok, got the report. |
| 01:29.39 | jim | which you probably do |
| 01:29.41 | cafuego | StereoSkit: if the problem occurs with other kernels as well, you start suspecting the hardware. |
| 01:29.50 | coll | its asking about questions priority, should i put it on critical or medium? |
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| 01:30.08 | jim | so the dialog setting is working |
| 01:30.14 | StereoSkit | cafuego, ok, i collected some useful data to start solving my problem |
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| 01:30.26 | coll | yep |
| 01:30.27 | StereoSkit | thank you very much dudes :D |
| 01:30.28 | jim | depends on how many questions you want to answer |
| 01:30.40 | olecom | i need someone with latest glibc onboard to do some tests of glibc's math pow() function, output of fpus1 fpus2 needed <http://flower.upol.cz/~olecom/bugs/glibc-369/>, TIA. |
| 01:30.59 | coll | ok i put it on critical |
| 01:31.08 | dad | jim: is there a debconf thing for fonts? i can't remember |
| 01:31.09 | coll | let it do all the dirty work alone :p |
| 01:31.17 | jim | probably |
| 01:31.42 | TwistedEmotions | is there a way to delete a whole directory without deleting inside isht file? |
| 01:31.42 | stouset | j_k: Is there a bug report for the one you're talking about? |
| 01:31.44 | jim | probably for fonts in particular categories |
| 01:31.46 | TwistedEmotions | *first |
| 01:32.01 | TwistedEmotions | inside files first. |
| 01:32.12 | StereoSkit | bytes |
| 01:32.14 | jim | TwistedEmotions: where will the other files go? no |
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| 01:32.46 | jim | you can -only- remove an empty dir... |
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| 01:32.48 | A_S | j_k, stouset: thanks, that worked! |
| 01:32.57 | TwistedEmotions | jim I want to delete all the inside files too.. |
| 01:33.19 | TwistedEmotions | like delete a temp directoy with all the files inside.. |
| 01:33.20 | stouset | A_S: I'm testing to see if there's a better fix than downgrading |
| 01:33.20 | jim | you mean you want a way to take the whole thing in one command |
| 01:33.29 | TwistedEmotions | jim: yeah |
| 01:33.40 | jim | ok... rm can do that... |
| 01:33.45 | dad | rm -rf |
| 01:33.52 | TwistedEmotions | thanks |
| 01:33.53 | jim | but, see, that ability can get you in trouble... |
| 01:34.05 | dad | i'd say! |
| 01:34.07 | TwistedEmotions | jim: I know.. I wont mess up. |
| 01:34.08 | jim | count to ten before pressing enter |
| 01:34.31 | stouset | j_k: Looks like I was wrong. |
| 01:34.37 | jim | safer is to go in and remove the inside files then cd out one and rmdir |
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| 01:34.54 | j_k | stouset: doesn't work with "most" either? |
| 01:34.56 | stouset | j_k: That wasn't the problem. I did MODULES=most, and the problem was not resolved. |
| 01:35.01 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: read the command at least three times before you hit enter |
| 01:35.03 | TwistedEmotions | you use that command while IN the directory or rm -rf /test |
| 01:35.07 | jim | special care is needed if you're presently root |
| 01:35.15 | rr72 | hey all |
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| 01:35.29 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: I got it... rm -rf /root right? |
| 01:35.32 | stouset | j_k: Considering I don't have a root FS, there's still not much I can do with busybox is there |
| 01:35.37 | j_k | stouset: okay, mind sending me your initrd this time? |
| 01:35.43 | jim | TwistedEmotions: umm |
| 01:35.50 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: if you do that you are bound to fsck up the system |
| 01:35.50 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 01:35.52 | jim | are you sure you want to blow away your home dir? |
| 01:35.54 | j_k | stouset: you do have a root directory. |
| 01:36.03 | j_k | stouset: you have the initrd you can dissect |
| 01:36.08 | TwistedEmotions | Why... none of the programs are in root |
| 01:36.22 | TwistedEmotions | just wastes space... that and etc too |
| 01:36.25 | j_k | stouset: you have mount, pivot_root and everything that's needed to boot. |
| 01:36.34 | j_k | try 'busybox' |
| 01:36.38 | TwistedEmotions | thanks guys. |
| 01:36.49 | jim | you're pulling our leg now :P |
| 01:36.54 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: WHAT? you are going to blow /root and /etc away? |
| 01:37.07 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: have you EVER used those directories? |
| 01:37.15 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: all the time |
| 01:37.18 | j_k | TwistedEmotions: you do all the time, actually |
| 01:37.35 | TwistedEmotions | guys... I'm dumb.. not retarded. |
| 01:37.39 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: most of the configs are in /etc |
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| 01:38.01 | jim | TwistedEmotions: just so you know (but I think you might already), you'll damage your system beyond repair, you'll need to reinstall |
| 01:38.06 | j_k | TwistedEmotions: I promise you your system won't boot without it's /etc. |
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| 01:38.14 | jinx | does anyone here have experience with wacom tablets in kernel 2.6.11/sid? |
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| 01:38.40 | jim | there's a wacom tablet in my kernel??!?! How do I get it out!! |
| 01:39.02 | TwistedEmotions | </joke> |
| 01:39.03 | TwistedEmotions | I mean |
| 01:39.26 | j_k | frightening. :-) |
| 01:39.40 | jim | I mean, you could try it on a machine you don't care about |
| 01:39.50 | shingouz | jinx: the way things are done here is that you just state the problem and see if someone can answer it, not to poll if someone uses something and then pester him |
| 01:40.14 | TwistedEmotions | nah... dont have any of those machines... just want to delete a few movies. |
| 01:40.22 | jinx | shingouz, why would you think I would pester anyone? I just figured if no one uses a wacom tablet here I would just not bother |
| 01:40.39 | jetscreamer | !wacom |
| 01:40.39 | dpkg | hmm... wacom is 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html; They are graphics tablets :) |
| 01:40.52 | jetscreamer | no, no wacoms here |
| 01:40.56 | shingouz | jinx: when you spend as much time here as most of us do you get to see all kinds of things |
| 01:41.15 | jinx | My problem is that I can get wacdump to see the tablet in /dev/input/ but xinput does not seem to be receiving anything |
| 01:41.23 | jinx | but I am not even gettingan error |
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| 01:42.51 | xst | Can I somehow execute something in exactly the same way as cron would have done (without inserting the job in crontab)? |
| 01:42.55 | Kerr | my ex uni housemate, now stuck at home and on dailup gets massive lag when using his shell account on my pc, so wants to install linux for himself. Is there anything better than damn small linux, for tiny but full installs? |
| 01:43.15 | shingouz | !d-i |
| 01:43.15 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 01:43.52 | shingouz | Kerr: define small? under 100MB, under 1GB? |
| 01:43.56 | jim | does d-i somehow work for woody? |
| 01:44.23 | stouset | jim: no |
| 01:44.48 | jim | thought so... you'd have to have the udebs in the archive I guess |
| 01:45.13 | Kerr | shingouz: well, dsl embedded is 53mb.. |
| 01:45.18 | Kerr | bonzai seems too big |
| 01:45.23 | j_k | jim: hmm, not necessarily, you could install woody packages with a sarge installer. |
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| 01:45.33 | shingouz | Kerr: i know but how much space do you have on the target |
| 01:45.33 | j_k | jim: I think skolelinux does this, in fact. |
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| 01:46.09 | Kerr | shingouz: he's on aol dailup, have a heart. every kb requires some sort of blood sacrafice. |
| 01:46.14 | [Timmeh] | if im having errors connecting to mysql through php operations could that mean my apache is having errors? |
| 01:46.22 | [Timmeh] | and how would i restart apache? |
| 01:46.25 | abrotman | Kerr: what does that have to do with lag ? |
| 01:46.30 | shingouz | Kerr: you can always install debian from cd's or a dvd |
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| 01:46.36 | j_k | [Timmeh]: /etc/init.d/apache restart, I guess. |
| 01:46.50 | jim | Kerr: what does he want to do with it? |
| 01:46.52 | [Timmeh] | thnx |
| 01:47.39 | MrKeuner | why would I get this error? dh_compress: command returned error code 512 make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1 |
| 01:47.41 | jim | [Timmeh]: and look in /etc/init.d too... there are other things you can restart if you have a mind to |
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| 01:48.14 | [Timmeh] | thnx\ |
| 01:48.18 | Kerr | jim: he wants to use xmms, icewm, irssi, rip dvds. not much realy; but his only option sofar seems to be download something via his awfull 56k. |
| 01:48.50 | shingouz | Kerr: cant you do the d/l for him and burn it on a dvd? |
| 01:48.57 | jim | do you have a better connection? maybe you could get him a cd image via jigdo |
| 01:49.03 | Kerr | .. |
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| 01:49.18 | jim | icewm... so x window system too |
| 01:49.23 | Kerr | he's my ex housemate, now on the other side of the country. |
| 01:49.41 | shingouz | Kerr: mailing one dvd...? ;) |
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| 01:49.54 | Kerr | i don't own a cd or dvd burner. |
| 01:50.06 | jim | and he does, right? |
| 01:50.07 | shingouz | Kerr: for a real small one maybe DSL but having someone here support it... |
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| 01:50.21 | Kerr | as i said, download via 56k seems his only viable option at the moment. |
| 01:50.44 | Kerr | shingouz: he'll probably bug me for help ~.~ |
| 01:50.44 | jim | can he borrow some bandwidth from someone he knows in the area? |
| 01:50.51 | shingouz | Kerr: buy the debian cd's from somewhere? |
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| 01:51.08 | Kerr | jim: he -realy- lives in the middle of nowhere. |
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| 01:52.00 | [Timmeh] | nup apache isnt giving me the errors.. |
| 01:52.26 | jim | Kerr: then downloading and snailmail seem the only options |
| 01:52.42 | Kerr | yup |
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| 01:53.13 | bonez41 | what might cause linux=windows sharing to work in one direction only? I can mount a networked windows share, from linux but can't see the linux box from the windows machine....as well, I can't print to, let alone 'see' the windows machine attached printer from the linux machine.... |
| 01:53.15 | shingouz | Kerr: do him a real big favor and get the sarge dvd (or 14 cd's worth of stuff) |
| 01:53.36 | jim | 14 cds on one dvd?? |
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| 01:53.51 | glick | hey in bitchx how do i join a network? |
| 01:53.54 | glick | like freenode |
| 01:53.56 | jim | that would be bigger than 5.x gbs, right? |
| 01:54.01 | glick | like with mozilla chat its /attach freenode |
| 01:54.02 | j_k | Kerr: wait a few days though, and get the official release. |
| 01:54.04 | shingouz | jim: 14 cds make one dvd make one full binary of sarge |
| 01:54.06 | jim | glick: you just did :P |
| 01:54.15 | glick | jim, im in xchat |
| 01:54.35 | jim | oh... /server what.ever.com I guess |
| 01:54.48 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.58 | Kerr | he's using windows xp.. which ate his last dual boot with sarge when he booted back into it. He's so far away now, that he'd not be able to come to me for help. I'd love for him to use sarge, but being woken up at 5am by a phonecall telling me windows ate it again just ain't high on my list of priorities. |
| 01:55.05 | glick | bitchx has shitty documentation |
| 01:55.33 | jim | Kerr: the way to do that is to get him to fully commit to it |
| 01:55.37 | shingouz | Kerr: ate it? as in no partition anymore or it just wont boot? |
| 01:55.37 | scarynetworkguy | glick: Irssi is the one true IRC client. |
| 01:55.38 | jim | meaning HE CHOOSES. |
| 01:55.39 | abrotman | glick: use irssi |
| 01:55.48 | Phated | glick: irssi-text. |
| 01:55.54 | glick | ahh yes irssi! |
| 01:55.56 | Kerr | shingouz: wouldn't boot. |
| 01:55.57 | glick | i love Irssi |
| 01:55.58 | resiak | glick: irssi! |
| 01:55.58 | glick | :) |
| 01:56.04 | resiak | glick: In screen! |
| 01:56.05 | Kerr | i fixed the mbr but windows ate it again |
| 01:56.05 | jim | irssi? |
| 01:56.12 | jim | I mean irssi! |
| 01:56.14 | j_k | did someone mention the great irssi yet? |
| 01:56.28 | jim | you just did mention the great irssi yet! |
| 01:56.33 | shingouz | Kerr: mv WinXP /dev/null ;) |
| 01:56.49 | resiak | \o/ \o> <o> <o/ \o/ irssi! \o/ <o/ <o> \o> \o/ |
| 01:56.57 | Kerr | shingouz: He's not experienced enough to make that commitment |
| 01:56.59 | j_k | !irssi |
| 01:56.59 | dpkg | well, irssi is the best irc client ever |
| 01:57.05 | Kerr | !praise irssi |
| 01:57.12 | resiak | !worship irssi |
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| 02:00.52 | abrotman | resiak: use BitchX you luser |
| 02:01.35 | glick | !praise dpkg |
| 02:01.49 | rr72 | i funally got the rest updated to sarge |
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| 02:03.13 | stouset | Anyone familiar with ext2fsd under Windows? |
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| 02:03.47 | meu086 | hello |
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| 02:04.14 | glick | hey whats a good mp3 encoder for debian? lame is not in apt |
| 02:04.34 | meu086 | please help me --> Error: the current /etc/modules.conf is not automatically generated. |
| 02:04.34 | j_k | meu086: do you know meu is the french for moo? |
| 02:04.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell glick -about lame |
| 02:04.37 | j_k | !moo |
| 02:04.38 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 02:04.50 | j_k | sorry. :-) |
| 02:05.05 | abrotman | j_k: can you apt-get meu |
| 02:05.06 | abrotman | ?? |
| 02:05.14 | j_k | meu086: do you need anything particular in there? |
| 02:05.58 | meu086 | mm |
| 02:06.11 | j_k | abrotman: E: L'opération meu n'est pas valable |
| 02:06.29 | j_k | abrotman: only half translated it seems :-) |
| 02:06.31 | meu086 | debian:~# apt-get install alsa |
| 02:06.41 | abrotman | j_k: maybe you should submit a patch :) |
| 02:06.52 | meu086 | Configurando alsa-base (1.0.8-7) ... |
| 02:06.52 | meu086 | Error: the current /etc/modules.conf is not automatically generated. |
| 02:06.52 | meu086 | Use "update-modules force" to force (re)generation. |
| 02:06.52 | meu086 | dpkg: error al procesar alsa-base (--configure): |
| 02:06.52 | meu086 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:07.47 | j_k | meu086: would running update-modules fix it? |
| 02:08.43 | meu086 | since I do it ? |
| 02:08.48 | j_k | meu086: hmm, 'update-modules force', if you didn't change /etc/modules.conf it should be okay. |
| 02:09.01 | abrotman | depmod -a ? |
| 02:09.17 | rr72 | j_k~ thx i am now running sarge |
| 02:09.32 | bohan | hi, i'm having a problem with symlinks: when i try to call cat some-link, it fails with "Too many levels of symbolic links", but i know the link isn't doing an infinite loop since readlink -f some-link gives me a result |
| 02:09.33 | j_k | rr72: good! |
| 02:10.14 | meu086 | j_k, what it's the problem ? :( |
| 02:10.30 | tcsetattr | bohan: try running "namei some-link" |
| 02:10.52 | j_k | meu086: the current /etc/modules.conf is not automatically generated. |
| 02:11.08 | j_k | meu086: :-) |
| 02:11.18 | j_k | meu086: someone or something probably changed it. |
| 02:11.28 | bohan | tcsetattr, it finds a file in the end, tho, there sure are many indirection (seven) |
| 02:11.53 | j_k | meu086: if that was on-purpose, you'll have a problem doing 'update-modules force', but if that wasn't, you can go ahead. |
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| 02:12.35 | meu086 | j_k, and to leave it like before? |
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| 02:14.15 | meu086 | ? |
| 02:14.54 | resiak | ! |
| 02:15.33 | j_k | meu086: you can't. Drop your changes in /etc/modutils. |
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| 02:16.59 | meu086 | and root ? |
| 02:17.26 | j_k | meu086: mmh? root what? |
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| 02:18.10 | meu086 | for repair this error, what it's the solution |
| 02:18.51 | j_k | meu086: if you need local changes to /etc/modules.conf, make them in /etc/modutils/, then run update-modules force. |
| 02:19.47 | j_k | meu086: is there any part of this you're not understanding? |
| 02:19.52 | glick | i dont see any links on the lame home page that has deb build instructions |
| 02:20.01 | meu086 | the english xD |
| 02:20.09 | meu086 | my english it's very poor...... |
| 02:20.30 | shingouz | meu086: what is your first language? |
| 02:20.35 | meu086 | spanish |
| 02:20.39 | shingouz | ah |
| 02:20.41 | shingouz | !es |
| 02:20.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:20.46 | shingouz | better? :) |
| 02:20.50 | meu086 | :) |
| 02:20.52 | meu086 | yes |
| 02:21.04 | meu086 | thnks |
| 02:21.10 | shingouz | no problem |
| 02:21.22 | _Meu086_ | j_k, thanks |
| 02:21.32 | skel_home | can anyone help me with setting up a serial console? I've read various howtos and can't get minicom to work for the life of me |
| 02:21.44 | glick | how do i build a deb from the lame source file? |
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| 02:22.31 | tcsetattr | skel_home, which part are you having trouble with, the bootloader or the getty? |
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| 02:22.38 | j_k | glick: you read tons of documentation for new maintainers :-) |
| 02:22.56 | furrywolf | especially the parts about patents and licensing? :) |
| 02:23.04 | skel_home | tcsetattr: I think it's getty.. (using mgetty) I made the necessary entries (I believe) for grub |
| 02:23.26 | glick | j_k, so basically i should just compile and install it the traditional unix way ? |
| 02:23.31 | skel_home | tcsetattr: but when I connect using minicom or even hyperterminal I get no response |
| 02:23.37 | tcsetattr | skel_home, do you have anything at all showing on the port? boot messages? can you "echo hello > /dev/ttyS0"? |
| 02:23.46 | j_k | glick: yes, or find a package at apt-get.org if there is one. |
| 02:23.50 | skel_home | tcsetattr: I'll try that |
| 02:23.59 | tcsetattr | skel_home, are you using a null modem cable? |
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| 02:24.42 | skel_home | tcsetattr: yes, I made one from the instructions on nullmodem.com |
| 02:24.55 | skel_home | tcsetattr: using rj45 -> db9f |
| 02:25.17 | skel_home | tcsetattr: so its db9 -> db9 from one pc to the other |
| 02:25.47 | skel_home | tcsetattr: i keep getting permission denied when trying to redirect input into /dev/ttyS0 while connected |
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| 02:28.07 | tcsetattr | skel_home, be root... and try running statserial /dev/ttyS[whatever], see if the state changes when you unplug the cable |
| 02:28.22 | skel_home | tcsetattr: ok |
| 02:28.36 | glick | can grip also be used on the commandline? |
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| 02:31.11 | darkgamer20 | hey everyone |
| 02:31.28 | darkgamer20 | i got debian with bind and apache running! |
| 02:31.31 | glick | whats a good commandline ripper? |
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| 02:31.41 | Phated | cdparanoia. |
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| 02:33.06 | skel_home | tcsetattr: no change in statserial if I unplug it.. does that mean its cabled incorrectly? |
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| 02:33.23 | iLLf8d | can anoyne tell me if theres a command to rerun the second stages of the system install? ie getting back into the util that allows you to set your sources list, username, mta settings etc..? |
| 02:33.39 | tcsetattr | skel_home, when you plug in the cable, the CTS and DCD signals should switch from 0 to 1 |
| 02:33.42 | Phated | base-config, I think, iLLf8d. |
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| 02:33.53 | iLLf8d | thnks |
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| 02:34.10 | skel_home | tcsetattr: no |
| 02:34.23 | glick | cdparanoia doesnt do database name lookup does it? |
| 02:34.23 | skel_home | hmm |
| 02:34.36 | skel_home | so I must have done something wrong on the pinout |
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| 02:35.19 | skel_home | =/ stupid connectors didn't come with how they are pinned.. tried looking with magnifying glass and flashlight.. probably got it wrong |
| 02:35.40 | darkgamer20 | anyone know a howto for a sendmail email server? |
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| 02:36.05 | skel_home | darkgamer20: I wouldn't use sendmail.. maybe exim or qmail ? |
| 02:36.25 | darkgamer20 | skel_home: ok exim? |
| 02:36.25 | iLLf8d | Phated: that was it thanks exactly what I needed |
| 02:36.28 | Magick211 | Im having a dsl connection problem maybe someone can help me out with. Ive recently switched from slackware. I normally use adsl to setup my dsl connection. But ive recently switced over to debian :) and im trying to setup my dsl connection with pppoeconf. and it all goes smoothly it seem but i cant go to any websites or anything or if i try to ping a adresses it wont work |
| 02:36.45 | darkgamer20 | skel_home: you know a good howto for exim email server |
| 02:36.47 | Magick211 | i have checked my /etc/resolve.conf and it has the correct name servers added |
| 02:36.54 | Phated | iLLf8d: No problem. |
| 02:37.33 | skel_home | darkgamer20: this link kinda grabs a couple things.. http://www.amason.net/eximplus.php |
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| 02:38.31 | ketter | darkgamer20: on a personal note: I would use postfix http://www.postfix.org/ |
| 02:38.52 | darkgamer20 | guys don't they all do the same thing? |
| 02:39.27 | Magick211 | Anyone have any suggestions for my problem? |
| 02:39.48 | j_k | Magick211: did you pon? |
| 02:39.49 | ketter | darkgamer20: they do, but let the use of one or the other depend on what you like to work with |
| 02:40.00 | Magick211 | yes im connected so it says |
| 02:40.12 | ketter | darkgamer20: and to what extend you can feel comfortable with |
| 02:40.16 | Magick211 | i can run ifconfig and i have a ip address generated trough dhcp |
| 02:40.20 | j_k | Magick211: does plog show any error? |
| 02:40.32 | j_k | Magick211: ok. |
| 02:40.36 | skel_home | darkgamer20: sendmail is notorius for its security vulnerabilities and is very easy to screw up if you don't know what you're doing |
| 02:40.41 | j_k | Magick211: DHCP ? |
| 02:40.46 | skel_home | darkgamer20: thats why I suggested something more simple |
| 02:40.53 | ketter | darkgamer20: and it has a 2000 page manual |
| 02:40.55 | Magick211 | also /etc/resolve.conf has the nameservers added correctly |
| 02:41.01 | j_k | Magick211: is that me or is something not matching pppoe here? |
| 02:41.22 | darkgamer20 | ketter: i see what you mean but i really don't care i just want something secure |
| 02:41.30 | abrotman | Magick211: resolv.conf .. no 'e' |
| 02:41.34 | darkgamer20 | something that is high in security |
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| 02:41.51 | ketter | darkgamer20: then I would go for something like postfix |
| 02:42.02 | Magick211 | heh ok resolv |
| 02:42.02 | skel_home | Magick211: netstat -r do you have a default route and is it correct? |
| 02:42.13 | darkgamer20 | ketter: y not exim? it is the default MTA for deb |
| 02:42.17 | glick | i love linux, listening to mp3s, browsin the web, irc, and rippen and encoding software all with no slowdown |
| 02:42.32 | ketter | darkgamer20: it might be the default, but it wouldn't be my first choice |
| 02:42.33 | j_k | Magick211: can you ping, say, 213.41.136.74 ? |
| 02:42.45 | Magick211 | nope |
| 02:42.50 | darkgamer20 | ketter: how come? |
| 02:43.09 | abrotman | because postfix is better than exim :) |
| 02:43.21 | Magick211 | if i run pon dsl-provider |
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| 02:43.26 | j_k | Magick211: but 'ifconfig ppp0' says you have an address, and (as skel_home suggested) route -n shows a default route (0.0.0.0) ? |
| 02:43.29 | ketter | darkgamer20: compair the config files of exim with postfix's files, and thats even besides the preformance. |
| 02:43.32 | abrotman | !start an mta war |
| 02:43.32 | dpkg | courier has an evil license |
| 02:43.38 | Magick211 | i will get a ip address |
| 02:43.49 | stouset | !start a civil war |
| 02:43.52 | stouset | Bah. |
| 02:43.55 | darkgamer20 | lol |
| 02:43.58 | Magick211 | i first thought it might be a problem with nameserver but i tried to ping a ip adress with no luck |
| 02:44.02 | stouset | !start a cold war |
| 02:44.05 | darkgamer20 | ketter: what do mean? |
| 02:44.10 | Magick211 | excuse my typing tonight |
| 02:44.16 | stouset | Whoever wrote dpkg was lazy ;( |
| 02:44.33 | rr72 | hell yeah |
| 02:45.04 | skel_home | tcsetattr: so would it be a good possibility if I see no change in statserial that there's something wrong with the way I made my cable? |
| 02:45.09 | ketter | darkgamer20: that you have to figure out for yourself what you find the best mailserver for you use on that box, and that you need to look at all diffrent kind of mailservers to find out which is the "right awanser". |
| 02:45.37 | j_k | Magick211: did you check the route stuff? |
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| 02:45.39 | darkgamer20 | ketter: i am gonna try exim first then postfix (alphabettical order lol) |
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| 02:45.51 | Magick211 | im going to check right now |
| 02:46.01 | tcsetattr | skel_home either the cable is bad or the serial driver isn't working... or the port is busted... probably the cable, if you don't have a way to test it |
| 02:46.11 | Magick211 | be back in just a few |
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| 02:46.34 | ketter | darkgamer20: have fun :) |
| 02:46.38 | darkgamer20 | ok |
| 02:46.40 | darkgamer20 | lol |
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| 02:46.57 | skel_home | tcsetattr: ok, thanks for your help and patience. I'm going to review my cable work. |
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| 02:48.13 | equuelus | what is the package name if i am looking for if i were to install the gnome window manager? |
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| 02:48.36 | Jamsi | Im trying to get spamass-milter to work with sendmail, but when I go to install it (under debian, testing packages) it wants to remove a whole heap of things (mutt, nmap, freeswan, anti-virus). I mean wtf? |
| 02:48.37 | TwistedEmotions | xserver? |
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| 02:49.00 | M | j_k: i ran route -n |
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| 02:49.16 | M | under destination it has 192.168.0.1 |
| 02:49.23 | M | and under that it has 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:49.24 | abrotman | equuelus: apt-get install gnome x-window-system |
| 02:49.48 | abrotman | and gnome is not a window manager |
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| 02:51.04 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Fluxbox? |
| 02:51.09 | abrotman | what? |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | !smack TwistedEmotions |
| 02:51.23 | rr72 | !smack abrotman |
| 02:51.30 | j_k | M: nothing else? |
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| 02:51.35 | rr72 | !smack rr72 |
| 02:51.42 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: was asking if fluxbox was a windows manager.. |
| 02:51.43 | rr72 | !smack dpkg |
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| 02:51.52 | M | well then it has the next section gateway |
| 02:51.52 | j_k | M: have you saved the full output somewhere? |
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| 02:51.59 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: and it so you need to slap yourself now. |
| 02:52.06 | j_k | M: there are only two lines, i meant? |
| 02:52.25 | M | yeah |
| 02:52.39 | j_k | M: you have a LAN, right? |
| 02:52.42 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: it is .. yes |
| 02:52.45 | TwistedEmotions | Is there a better file manager for XFCE then the default one? |
| 02:52.49 | joe|code | Is the Debian menu needed in Gnome? |
| 02:52.51 | mattthebaker | i have a problem... i killed a process that was writing to a file, and now the file is locked, how can i remove the lock to delete the file? |
| 02:52.58 | M | no |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: xfe maybe |
| 02:53.27 | abrotman | depends on your definitino of better |
| 02:53.28 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: thanks. |
| 02:53.42 | stouset | Ha, wow I'm stupid. |
| 02:53.45 | stouset | j_k: Still here? |
| 02:53.50 | j_k | stouset: sure. |
| 02:53.52 | joe|code | I am currently using Ubuntu because I wanted to get a taste for Debian, now I am going to install Debian. |
| 02:54.10 | abrotman | stouset: fixed it ? |
| 02:54.13 | j_k | M: are you connected with windows right now? |
| 02:54.24 | j_k | M: on the same line? |
| 02:54.33 | stouset | j_k: I was just reinstalling my main workstation (a new Windows XP install blew away grub and a few other things, so I figured I'd go with a clean reinstall). I just did an upgrade. Guess which package I forgot to hold :-) |
| 02:54.34 | M | yeah but a few minutes ago i was connected with slack |
| 02:54.58 | j_k | stouset: and it did it again? |
| 02:55.10 | stouset | j_k: Gee, how'd you guess? :-) |
| 02:55.15 | j_k | M: that's weird. You don't have a firewall installed or something? |
| 02:55.29 | M | nope |
| 02:55.32 | j_k | stouset: sure it did! :-) |
| 02:55.43 | silverton | anyone know how to mount a alcohol 120% image? |
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| 02:55.59 | bob2 | silverton: convert it to a non-useless format |
| 02:56.03 | bob2 | like iso-9660 |
| 02:56.05 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: Thanks... Xfe is a lot nicer. |
| 02:56.11 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: no problem |
| 02:56.12 | ethics | anyone know if the nvidia driver kills Xv in xfree86? |
| 02:56.13 | silverton | bob2, how? |
| 02:56.23 | bob2 | silverton: presumably using alcohol 120 |
| 02:56.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:56.34 | bob2 | ethics: no, it doesn't break xvideo |
| 02:56.36 | j_k | M: can you see your IP and pointopoint under windows? |
| 02:56.40 | silverton | bob2, does alcohol 120 run under linux? |
| 02:56.41 | bob2 | unless it breaks your whole machine |
| 02:56.43 | abrotman | !coffee bob2 |
| 02:56.44 | bob2 | silverton: no idea |
| 02:56.45 | bob2 | doubt it |
| 02:56.49 | j_k | M: is this something such as 192.168.0.something? |
| 02:56.54 | silverton | bob2, then that doesn't help me much :P |
| 02:57.07 | bob2 | don't use stupid proprietary formats then |
| 02:57.08 | M | yeah |
| 02:57.11 | abrotman | right .. we use lots of proprietary win32 software here |
| 02:57.16 | silverton | bob2, downloaded it :P don't blame it on me |
| 02:57.17 | bob2 | and if it's warez, then drown in my tears of sympathy |
| 02:57.27 | bob2 | run file on it |
| 02:57.33 | bob2 | maybe it's iso with a stupid filename |
| 02:57.38 | glick | hey does anyone here use mutt? how can i send a message from a single command line so it doesnt start the big ass mutt program so i can just be like mutt -s "suck this bitch" <followed by my message> |
| 02:57.38 | glick | ? |
| 02:57.42 | coll | well after about 6 hours it seems like aptitude dist-upgrade has finished. |
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| 02:57.51 | abrotman | use .. mail ? |
| 02:58.02 | coll | so just a reboot now? or is there anything else i should be checking? |
| 02:58.24 | bob2 | glick: echo blah | mutt -stest user@host |
| 02:58.35 | j_k | glick: you can use mutt just like mail. |
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| 02:58.53 | j_k | glick: give it the destination on the commandline and pipe anything to it. |
| 02:59.20 | glick | nice! |
| 02:59.33 | M | Really ive setup my dsl connections trough adsl and it worked fine. So i havent had much experience doing it any other way |
| 02:59.35 | j_k | M: I'm short of ideas, sorry. |
| 02:59.47 | M | its ok just another learning experience for me |
| 03:00.03 | M | :) |
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| 03:00.56 | M | Im looking forward to runnind deb. i liked slack alot but it has weak management |
| 03:01.07 | M | running* |
| 03:01.30 | jim | maybe in some cases you'd find debian too strong... or maybe not |
| 03:01.43 | M | I have heard great things about apt-get |
| 03:01.59 | ethics | bob2: i keep getting screen not found for any Xv calls....im thinking a library is missing |
| 03:02.01 | jim | it's definitely nice allright |
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| 03:02.45 | M | I tried things like like swared and slapt-get for slack and they are nice for dependencie support |
| 03:02.50 | M | swaret* |
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| 03:04.30 | M | j_k: im gonna try to instal adsl and see what happens when i run that script |
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| 03:06.34 | silverton | what is needed for a Makefile command to work |
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| 03:07.19 | rr72 | was therte a split? |
| 03:07.30 | jim | silverton: a make file and the commands it runs |
| 03:08.26 | jim | rr72: yeah, big split last nite |
| 03:08.33 | rr72 | no now |
| 03:08.47 | exobyte | I have a file that has filenames in "s. for some reason, rm -v `cat file` doens't work- the spaces are parsed by the shell |
| 03:08.57 | jim | not that I see |
| 03:09.16 | furrywolf | exobyte: "$(cat file)" |
| 03:10.02 | exobyte | furrywolf: dumb question.. why didn't the subshell call do what I thought it woudl? |
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| 03:10.28 | furrywolf | exobyte: because what you thought it would do isn't what it does? :P |
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| 03:11.02 | TwistedEmotions | cp /font-arial-18-iso-8859-1/* /usr/local/share/mplayer/font <<-- Someone wana tell me wtf I am doing wrong? |
| 03:11.03 | exobyte | furrywolf: now it's trying to remove is all as one, big, long file |
| 03:11.09 | furrywolf | by default they're expanded into separate arguments... putting quotes around it groups it together. |
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| 03:11.24 | furrywolf | exobyte: oh, it has multiple files in it? |
| 03:11.45 | exobyte | furrywolf: oops- yeah, I didn;t explicitly say that |
| 03:11.49 | furrywolf | exobyte: man xargs. :) |
| 03:11.55 | jim | try: for i in $(cat file); do rm "$i"; done |
| 03:12.12 | exobyte | jim: thx- never thought of it that way |
| 03:12.14 | furrywolf | jim: won't work. |
| 03:12.26 | TwistedEmotions | anyone know what is wrong with my command? |
| 03:12.34 | furrywolf | if the filenames have spaces, that'll split them into multiple arguments |
| 03:12.39 | jim | right, becasue it will split |
| 03:12.44 | tcsetattr | it's very odd to have a directory called /font-arial-18-iso-8859-1 why did you put that there? |
| 03:12.53 | furrywolf | twisted: hopefully you don't have a /font-arial-18-iso-8859-1 directory, perhaps? :P |
| 03:12.55 | jim | then try... |
| 03:13.04 | furrywolf | exobyte: cat file | xargs rm might do what you want... |
| 03:13.24 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: yeah... misspelled. |
| 03:13.27 | furrywolf | cat file | xargs rm -v even. :) |
| 03:13.36 | TwistedEmotions | cplx: omitting directory `font-arial-iso-8859-1/font-arial-18-iso-8859-1' |
| 03:13.38 | tcsetattr | UUOC! xargs rm <file ... another fun option is sed 's/^/rm /' file | sh |
| 03:13.38 | exobyte | furrywolf: I'm doin -i -v |
| 03:13.47 | cplx | o_O |
| 03:13.49 | exobyte | uh oh.. not sed |
| 03:13.53 | TwistedEmotions | anyone know what that error is? Why it is omitting files? |
| 03:14.01 | cplx | TwistedEmotions: ? |
| 03:14.03 | furrywolf | twisted: man cp |
| 03:14.07 | furrywolf | rtfm |
| 03:14.08 | TwistedEmotions | mp |
| 03:14.10 | tcsetattr | becuase cp doesn't handle directories unless you ask it to. |
| 03:14.12 | TwistedEmotions | cp |
| 03:14.16 | TwistedEmotions | ohh |
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| 03:14.25 | TwistedEmotions | that targetdirectory shit |
| 03:14.27 | cplx | .. |
| 03:14.27 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
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| 03:14.39 | exobyte | stupid.. using -i when stdin was piped |
| 03:14.45 | rr72 | yeah |
| 03:14.46 | rr72 | duh |
| 03:14.50 | furrywolf | lol |
| 03:14.59 | furrywolf | xargs has an interactive option. you may wish to use it... |
| 03:15.05 | exobyte | furrywolf: yeah, yeah.. hopefully I didn't bomb anything |
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| 03:15.43 | furrywolf | xargs is good. :) |
| 03:15.52 | exobyte | I'm going to rtfm it soon |
| 03:16.06 | exobyte | what did the subshell I tried actually do? |
| 03:16.26 | furrywolf | the very first time? every space and newline separated into separate args |
| 03:16.39 | exobyte | furrywolf: why? |
| 03:16.48 | furrywolf | so if the file was foo bar\nqux xyzzy, it turned into rm foo bar qux xyzzy |
| 03:16.53 | furrywolf | because that's what bash does? :P |
| 03:17.18 | exobyte | furrywolf: I wonder if the shell I wrote in OSes would have worked.. |
| 03:17.23 | tcsetattr | if you did it with "`cat file`" you would have the opposite problem: the whole file considered one huge filename. |
| 03:17.24 | exobyte | furrywolf: or sh for that matter |
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| 03:17.37 | exobyte | tcsetattr: that, I get |
| 03:17.40 | furrywolf | tcset: he tried that, and it did. :) |
| 03:18.12 | tcsetattr | and the quotes would be stuck in it. so it's just bad |
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| 03:20.14 | coll | ok so im after a woody->sarge aptitude dist-upgrade, at first lilo wasn't loading so i mounted / with the rescue option in woody's boot-cd option |
| 03:20.38 | coll | though i can't access my x now, startx complains about "no screens found" |
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| 03:21.15 | coll | should i fix it with apt-get install xserver or something? |
| 03:21.54 | tcsetattr | !noscreensfound |
| 03:21.54 | dpkg | noscreensfound is, like, probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 03:22.14 | rr72 | i hate x |
| 03:22.21 | rr72 | i can never get it to work |
| 03:22.24 | coll | thanks im checking that right now |
| 03:22.36 | rob_lt | Hi. I just did a quick re-install (I'm just fooling around with different options) and I installed gnome. However, I don't seem to have a "taskbar" in my applets to add to my panel. Does anyone know what package the taskbar is in? |
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| 03:24.44 | coll | uhm im still getting the no screens found when i startx |
| 03:25.11 | bob2 | rob_lt: if you have gnome, you have it. it's called window list or such |
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| 03:26.03 | rr72 | how do i fix li? |
| 03:26.06 | rob_lt | bob2, thanks :) Got it now |
| 03:26.17 | coll | how can i re-install x? |
| 03:26.19 | rr72 | !seen grim76 |
| 03:26.19 | dpkg | rr72: i haven't seen 'grim76' |
| 03:26.34 | Jamsi | Anyone know anything about the spamassassin package being screwed? |
| 03:26.47 | bob2 | Jamsi: if they did, there would be a bug open |
| 03:26.55 | simonrvn | no it isn't screwed |
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| 03:27.37 | Jamsi | bob2, Im trying to apt-get it, but its telling me that there will be some programs that will be REMOVED. Packages such as anti-virus, freeswan, nmap and a few others. What on earth? |
| 03:27.56 | bob2 | ok then! |
| 03:27.57 | simonrvn | you did something wrong then |
| 03:28.00 | rr72 | lmao |
| 03:28.08 | bob2 | Jamsi: paste the full output of apt, and /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 03:28.13 | simonrvn | not exactly spamassassin's fault is it? |
| 03:28.16 | rr72 | i need to upgrade 30 packs but they wont upgrade |
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| 03:28.53 | bob2 | rr72: then you need to ask a question |
| 03:29.02 | bob2 | and explain what you did that broke it |
| 03:29.05 | Jamsi | bob2, Im actually going to try another apt source |
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| 03:29.18 | bob2 | Jamsi: that would be the cause of your problem |
| 03:29.20 | rr72 | bob2~ i didnt brake it |
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| 03:29.24 | rr72 | came likek taht |
| 03:29.30 | bob2 | a) english |
| 03:29.31 | Jamsi | bob2 really? |
| 03:29.33 | bob2 | b) someone did |
| 03:29.36 | Fixion | I have a problem with mplayer, a couple days ago it started acting wierd. It will open some moves and play about half a second, then stop... why? these moves work perfectly on my windoze machine |
| 03:29.38 | bob2 | c) tell us what happened |
| 03:29.55 | bob2 | Fixion: does it work if you do "mplayer -ao null porn.avi"? |
| 03:30.14 | rr72 | bob2~ noone else touches it |
| 03:30.14 | bob2 | Jamsi: apt can only work with what you give it. if you point it at broken repositories, it doesn't have many options. |
| 03:30.16 | Fixion | bob2: yeah, minus the -ao null and porn.avi |
| 03:30.33 | bob2 | rr72: so, no one touched it, it just magically stopped working one day? |
| 03:30.41 | rr72 | bob2~ it never worked |
| 03:30.43 | bob2 | Fixion: eh? so how is it broken then? |
| 03:30.50 | bob2 | rr72: can you be more vague then? |
| 03:30.53 | rr72 | bob2~ i need to use a rescue disk |
| 03:30.54 | Jamsi | bob2, I changed apt sources because the one I was using had "Could not connect to blah blah" |
| 03:30.58 | Fixion | bob2: it seems to work if I do -ao null |
| 03:31.02 | Fixion | whys that? |
| 03:31.30 | bob2 | Fixion: it's a sound thing then...are you using alsa? |
| 03:31.39 | Jamsi | Apparently "http://ftp.au.debian.org" is down? |
| 03:31.42 | Fixion | I believe so, kernel 2.6.7 |
| 03:31.55 | rr72 | bob2~ what causes li error? |
| 03:32.04 | Fixion | well.. give me a sec, xmms is borked too... |
| 03:32.06 | bob2 | Jamsi: does indeed |
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| 03:32.12 | simonrvn | i don't want to imagine what kind of r00t holes that has... |
| 03:32.22 | bob2 | Jamsi: try ftp.debian.org or mirror.aarnet if you're in .au/.nz |
| 03:32.24 | rr72 | and what can fix it? |
| 03:32.31 | bob2 | rr72: you need to tell us what actually happened |
| 03:32.46 | rr72 | what do u mean? |
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| 03:33.03 | coll | ok so no luck with dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:33.04 | rr72 | bob2~ it never worked since i installed debian |
| 03:33.19 | bob2 | coll: what video card do you have? |
| 03:33.20 | Jamsi | bob2, I was using au.debian but moved to the aarnet one and thats when all this freaky remvoe stuff happened. I'll post in flood |
| 03:33.44 | rr72 | bob2~ lilo has never worked for me |
| 03:33.56 | coll | bob2: hard to tell its an old p2 system (btw, there was no problem runing x before with woody, thats before i did woody->sarge) |
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| 03:34.16 | bob2 | coll: hmmm, I'd probably be filing a bug then |
| 03:34.28 | rr72 | i can't get x to work |
| 03:34.32 | daxal | is xsane capable of controlling the bulb brightness durring a scan? I'm getting bleed through from the other side of the page. |
| 03:34.36 | rr72 | but i don't care about taht |
| 03:34.41 | coll | bob2: well it was working before |
| 03:34.41 | rr72 | i want it to boot |
| 03:34.50 | Jamsi | bob2, Im using testing packages also. |
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| 03:35.36 | coll | bob2: how do i re-install x all over again? that is ought to fix broken things |
| 03:35.43 | Fixion | yeah, my sound is broken... although I don't think I touched my modules... |
| 03:35.44 | bob2 | coll: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 03:36.01 | coll | thanks |
| 03:36.03 | Fixion | how can I test if alsa is set up correctly? |
| 03:36.15 | rr72 | bob2~ what is li caused from from? |
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| 03:36.33 | simonrvn | could someone touch my modules? "hey baby, wanna touch my modules?" |
| 03:36.48 | WhiteRabbit | hubba hubba |
| 03:36.55 | stouset | simonrvn: I usually charge |
| 03:36.55 | coll | rr72: from lilo reading mis-configured settings in your /boot |
| 03:37.08 | simonrvn | damn |
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| 03:37.18 | stouset | People still use lilo? |
| 03:37.24 | simonrvn | yes |
| 03:37.24 | Fixion | yes |
| 03:37.30 | stouset | Intentionally? |
| 03:37.32 | rr72 | i don't |
| 03:37.33 | Fixion | yes |
| 03:37.36 | rr72 | its broken |
| 03:37.38 | furrywolf | simon: bah. I'm lamenting the lack of kinky things lately. don't be suggestive. :P |
| 03:37.44 | simonrvn | xfs /. you have to, unless you patch it |
| 03:37.54 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:37.57 | rr72 | what do i do? |
| 03:38.01 | coll | rr72: load up with a rescue disk and run lilo, it would fix things most probably |
| 03:38.11 | rr72 | im in debian now |
| 03:38.15 | rr72 | it doesnt work |
| 03:38.28 | coll | oh there we go |
| 03:38.38 | coll | video card is ATI 3D rage II |
| 03:38.40 | stouset | Is there any way to prevent screen from "blinking" the screen whenever you hit backspace when nothing is entered on the current command line? |
| 03:38.47 | stouset | It's annoying and distracting. |
| 03:38.48 | rr72 | ill try aagain |
| 03:38.56 | Jamsi | bob2, could i pm you this information privately? |
| 03:38.58 | jim | Fixion: can you get sound out of your speakers? |
| 03:39.00 | stouset | furrywolf: *blink* |
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| 03:39.05 | rr72 | i need to boot in to windows and change bootloader |
| 03:39.10 | rr72 | it will take a while |
| 03:39.19 | Fixion | jim: no |
| 03:39.24 | Fixion | I used to be able to |
| 03:39.30 | furrywolf | stouset: did I miss something? :P |
| 03:39.35 | jim | under what condition |
| 03:39.43 | simonrvn | furrywolf: not used to thrusting? ;p |
| 03:39.48 | stouset | furrywolf: Just wondering why you're talking about strapons =P |
| 03:40.10 | stouset | furrywolf: apt-cache search strapon returned nothing, so I assume we're not talking about Debian, here :-) |
| 03:40.21 | simonrvn | well, women who're adventurous probably would. like egt on top, instead of boring missionary position, etc. |
| 03:40.30 | furrywolf | stouset: because simonrvn said something suggestive. :P |
| 03:40.39 | Fixion | I have a slight suspicion... I think mplayer took some alsa stuff with it when I uninstalled it... |
| 03:40.48 | K_Dallas | Is there a way to get only security updates with apt-get besides selecting them one by one? thanks |
| 03:40.53 | coll | damn! still complaining about no screens found |
| 03:40.56 | simonrvn | Fixion: why would it? |
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| 03:41.09 | simonrvn | coll: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 03:41.11 | stouset | furrywolf: Likely story. |
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| 03:41.34 | furrywolf | stouset: and that happened to be the first fun thing I thought of when thinking of how to reply to him saying something suggestive. |
| 03:41.39 | Fixion | simonrvn: its a guess, I have no idea. but before I uninstalled mplayer (then reinstalled it, long story) it workedl, so did xmms |
| 03:41.39 | stouset | furrywolf: Haha. |
| 03:41.56 | simonrvn | reggae* |
| 03:42.10 | coll | simonrvn: (EE) problem parsing the config file; (EE) error from xf86HandleConfigFile() |
| 03:42.28 | simonrvn | means it can't find it. what did you do to it? |
| 03:42.30 | Fixion | still doesn't work |
| 03:42.37 | simonrvn | (most likely error) |
| 03:42.39 | coll | *nothing* |
| 03:42.41 | stouset | simonrvn: Can't find it? Or syntax error? |
| 03:42.44 | furrywolf | stouset: something wrong with strapon sex? :P |
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| 03:43.03 | simonrvn | could be syntax, but then s/he hasn't been using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 then |
| 03:43.18 | coll | simonrvn: i've run it about 5 times now |
| 03:43.31 | coll | and i was sure to say no to the frame buffer question |
| 03:43.31 | stouset | furrywolf: Depends ;) |
| 03:43.33 | simonrvn | won't matter if you edited it. |
| 03:43.33 | Fixion | is there a way to test if alsa works, or what could be wrong with it? |
| 03:43.38 | furrywolf | stouset: on? :P |
| 03:43.44 | stouset | furrywolf: things! |
| 03:43.48 | furrywolf | like? :P |
| 03:44.00 | simonrvn | Fixion: install alsa-base and alsa-utils then, and do lsmod | grep snd |
| 03:44.41 | simonrvn | furrywolf: i wouldn't do that, but i could care less what people do in their bedroom/washroom/kitchen/wherever as long as both/they are consenting and knowing |
| 03:44.53 | stouset | furrywolf: Hell if I know. Check "apt-cache showpkg strapon | grep -A1 Dependencies" |
| 03:44.54 | coll | is there any fix i can try? |
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| 03:45.01 | furrywolf | stouset: LOL |
| 03:45.11 | simonrvn | read the comments at the top about the md5sum |
| 03:45.19 | furrywolf | simon: heh. oh well, you can miss out if you want to. :) |
| 03:45.25 | rr72 | i still get error after just running lilo |
| 03:45.29 | Fixion | simonrvn: yeah, I have a boatload of snd mods |
| 03:45.43 | ethics | Fixion what chipset and kernel you on? |
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| 03:45.57 | furrywolf | !li |
| 03:45.57 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 03:46.08 | simonrvn | Fixion: do lspci, and find out which is relevant, and remove the others, for starters |
| 03:46.23 | Fixion | ethics: cs46xx kernel 2.6.7 |
| 03:46.42 | simonrvn | !is |
| 03:46.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, is is the country code for iceland |
| 03:46.47 | caonex | can you boot using grub without having a device.map file with the bios boot sequence listed? |
| 03:47.09 | ethics | Fixion: did you run alsaconf? if not then try it...it will remove modules etc automatically |
| 03:47.13 | stouset | simonrvn: So THAT's what Clinton meant by the meaning of IS. |
| 03:47.34 | simonrvn | iceland. a volcanic island in the north pacific |
| 03:47.43 | coll | im trying that new install that dpkg offers for setup x |
| 03:47.44 | simonrvn | s/pacific/atlantic/ |
| 03:47.53 | simonrvn | @lart me |
| 03:47.59 | Fixion | ethics: that did it :) thanks! |
| 03:48.00 | simonrvn | ow. |
| 03:48.13 | daxal | you asked for it :P |
| 03:48.36 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 03:48.37 | ethics | Fixion : NP...alsactl is the progy for setting default volumes etc if you need it....i dont anymore but i did once a while back |
| 03:49.38 | Fixion | ethics: i use aumix (since oss days) to set my volumes, will that continue to work ok? it seems to work fine now |
| 03:49.54 | stouset | You know, I think there are really only two types of people I want to kill. People who capitalize things in domain names, and people who attach stupid confidentiality notices to the bottom of their emails. |
| 03:49.57 | rr72 | i added lba32 and doesnt work |
| 03:50.07 | rr72 | how do i install grub? |
| 03:50.11 | daxal | you reran lilo? |
| 03:50.24 | Fixion | so is grub better than lilo? |
| 03:50.30 | daxal | !better |
| 03:50.30 | dpkg | better is probably a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 03:50.32 | ethics | Fixion, only time will tell hehe....soem cards seem to keep settings some dont....depends on the way you hold your mouth when you install alsa 8) |
| 03:50.48 | rr72 | yes |
| 03:50.54 | rr72 | i am dual booting tho |
| 03:50.58 | daxal | I like it, but it's a touch tricky to start. after that it's smooth sailing. |
| 03:51.06 | stouset | Fixion: I prefer Grub. |
| 03:51.11 | stouset | daxal: What's tricky about it? :-) |
| 03:51.16 | rr72 | do i need to re do the boot thing? |
| 03:51.21 | Fixion | just perference? |
| 03:51.39 | furrywolf | hrmm, dunno about that factoid. how many people, for example, would find receiving a billion dollars to not be better than being slowly stabbed to death with shards of broken AOL cds? |
| 03:51.45 | daxal | I forget :) just the first time getting it right I suppose, which I get to relearn shortly... |
| 03:51.46 | ethics | Fixion, grub & lilo both do a good job....im grub nowadays but was lilo a while back...i just go with whatever the distro wante |
| 03:52.09 | coll | ok so a total re-install of xfree86 like dpkg suggested doesnt work either |
| 03:52.23 | Fixion | oh, I just prefer to build on top of a minimalist net install :) i don't know what comes in the distro |
| 03:52.24 | ethics | furrywolf, well thats a choice....masochist have a different answer to a poor person.. |
| 03:52.30 | Fixion | *by default that is... |
| 03:53.04 | ethics | coll....what driver are you loading for the video? actual name |
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| 03:53.25 | ethics | coll nv? |
| 03:53.25 | rr72 | Fixion~ should i install grub than? |
| 03:53.32 | coll | vesa |
| 03:53.39 | Fixion | rr72: I wouldn't if lilo works for you |
| 03:53.47 | rr72 | lilo i get li |
| 03:53.51 | rr72 | remmeber? |
| 03:53.58 | rr72 | i dual boot tho |
| 03:54.04 | ethics | coll...hmm...strange... |
| 03:54.09 | Fixion | oh, so do I, on one of my computers |
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| 03:54.12 | ethics | rr72: grub can do dual boot no probs |
| 03:54.16 | Fixion | it works fine with winblows |
| 03:54.25 | coll | ethics: the error message stays the same no matter what. thats weird |
| 03:54.27 | Fixion | just takes a bit of configuring sometimes |
| 03:54.29 | rr72 | im using windows boot tho |
| 03:54.31 | ethics | rr72: just make sure you know your partition numbers |
| 03:54.36 | rr72 | i di |
| 03:54.43 | furrywolf | brb |
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| 03:54.48 | coll | ethics: always no screens found error |
| 03:54.55 | rr72 | just lilo i can't get into debian |
| 03:54.58 | rr72 | i get li error |
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| 03:55.06 | Fixion | oh... |
| 03:55.11 | coll | ethics: maybe i should try totally removing the xfree86 package and try a re-install of it? |
| 03:55.18 | Fixion | it crashes after writing li to the screen? |
| 03:55.22 | ethics | coll: no screens found isnt the error....look for EE....thats the actuall error.....the no creens found is a generic message saying look deeper |
| 03:55.22 | rr72 | no |
| 03:55.25 | rr72 | stays there |
| 03:55.29 | Fixion | yeah |
| 03:55.31 | rr72 | doesnt do anything |
| 03:55.34 | Fixion | just hangs, right? |
| 03:55.36 | Fixion | ok |
| 03:55.40 | Fixion | yeah, I've had that problem |
| 03:55.41 | coll | ethics: (EE) problem parsing the config file; (EE) error from xf86HandleConfigFile() |
| 03:55.54 | rr72 | what do i do? |
| 03:55.56 | Hellkat | is it possible to have a different wallpaper for each workspace? i have 20 different ones, and i want them to be organized like "The FLash, Spawn, Green Lantern, Etc..: |
| 03:55.58 | ethics | coll...try renaming /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to something then reconfigure again..ill recreate the file |
| 03:56.05 | rr72 | ive tried linier lba32 |
| 03:56.08 | Fixion | boot into debian (any way you can, rescue disk prefered) an do "apt-get install lilo;lilo" |
| 03:56.10 | coll | ill try |
| 03:56.15 | Fixion | thats not it |
| 03:56.23 | icyfire0573 | Hellkat, it depends on the WM, i believe KDE's wm does have that ability |
| 03:56.23 | ethics | coll: sounds like theres a missing "" or something hehe |
| 03:56.26 | Fixion | you might just need to run lilo, or possibly reinstall it |
| 03:56.33 | Fixion | its happened a few times to me |
| 03:56.36 | rr72 | with the ; too? |
| 03:56.40 | Fixion | quite easy to fix |
| 03:56.50 | Fixion | no, the hang at boot |
| 03:56.56 | Hellkat | icyfire0573: I am using Gnome-- where would the option be? |
| 03:56.58 | Fixion | it doesn't always display the same thing |
| 03:57.00 | rr72 | iv ran lilo a gross amount of times |
| 03:57.04 | Fixion | reinstall it |
| 03:57.09 | Jamsi | wheres bob2 gone to =\ |
| 03:57.11 | coll | ethics: well im doing a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 so we'll see in a minute |
| 03:57.17 | icyfire0573 | Hellkat, I dont use Gnome, ... so ? |
| 03:57.19 | cafuego | Jamsi: canberra |
| 03:57.21 | rr72 | Jamsi~ f ur mom |
| 03:57.25 | Fixion | apt-get remove lilo;apt-get update;apt-get install lilo;lilo |
| 03:57.31 | ethics | coll what card is it anyways? |
| 03:57.44 | Fixion | that usually fixes it for me :) |
| 03:57.53 | Hellkat | icyfire0573: well thanks for helping-- you rock. |
| 03:58.00 | coll | ethics: ati 3d rage II |
| 03:58.05 | Fixion | I wouldn't purge it... your config files should be fine |
| 03:58.09 | icyfire0573 | Hellkat, yea, i try so hard |
| 03:58.19 | ethics | Hellkat, just to clarify you want different people who login to get different backdrops or different WORKSTATIONS |
| 03:58.29 | Fixion | it happened after an update, didn't it? |
| 03:58.46 | coll | ethics: thats weird. after runing the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 no file was created in /etc/X11 in the name of XF86Config-4 |
| 03:59.06 | coll | ethics: and i renamed the old one to that name with a .old extension |
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| 03:59.13 | ethics | coll just try touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:59.24 | simonrvn | !listkeys md5sum |
| 03:59.26 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'md5sum' by key (2): md5sum ;; x md5sum. |
| 03:59.28 | ethics | coll then rerun again...it may only mod a file rather than creating |
| 03:59.31 | furrywolf | back |
| 03:59.31 | rr72 | im rebooting now |
| 03:59.33 | simonrvn | !x md5sum |
| 03:59.34 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 03:59.43 | Fixion | rr72: hope it works |
| 03:59.47 | Fixion | :) |
| 03:59.49 | Fixion | it should... |
| 03:59.55 | Hellkat | ethics: No, i have a workspace switcher, and i want each of the different workspaces to have a different wallpaper i.e. Workspace1= Wallpaper1 , Workspace2=Wallpaper2 |
| 04:00.20 | rr72 | Fixion~ nope |
| 04:00.25 | Fixion | no? |
| 04:00.31 | Fixion | damn.. |
| 04:00.37 | rr72 | do i need to put the thing on windows again? |
| 04:00.43 | rr72 | the boot.lnx file? |
| 04:00.51 | Fixion | huh? |
| 04:01.04 | rr72 | thats how im booting from nt boot loader |
| 04:01.04 | Fixion | is that a symlink to your kernel? |
| 04:01.04 | coll | ethics: still nothing |
| 04:01.08 | coll | ethics: i dont know whats going on |
| 04:01.11 | Fixion | oh |
| 04:01.28 | Fixion | I don't know about that |
| 04:01.56 | Fixion | is your config ok? |
| 04:01.57 | rr72 | http://www.highlandsun.com/hyc/linuxboot.html |
| 04:02.03 | Fixion | does lilo accept it and update itself? |
| 04:02.37 | rr72 | idk |
| 04:03.04 | coll | well im all about removing x and reinstaling |
| 04:03.10 | coll | how do i do that? |
| 04:03.57 | rr72 | Fixion~ any idieas? |
| 04:04.18 | ethics | Hellcat: http://wallpapoz.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:04.25 | Fixion | rr72: sorry, I'm out. I never did any of the stuff on that page |
| 04:04.43 | Fixion | are you just trying to simply dual boot windoze and linux? |
| 04:04.43 | Hellkat | ethics: just found that on google, thanks guys! |
| 04:04.44 | Jamsi | cafuego, want to take his place? :P |
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| 04:05.50 | Fixion | anyone have any ideas why firefox hates me and freezes every time I try to go to ebay? |
| 04:05.52 | ethics | coll thats all screwed up...sounds like your going to need to do the full remove purge install |
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| 04:05.59 | furrywolf | fixion: because it's firefox. :P |
| 04:06.10 | ethics | coll: i hate xf86config-4 |
| 04:06.12 | rr72 | but keep nt boot loaderr because i wont need lilo soon |
| 04:06.17 | rr72 | im getting a new mb |
| 04:06.20 | rr72 | *ficing one |
| 04:06.21 | Fixion | furrywolf: do you recommend I use Internet Exploder "linux version"? |
| 04:06.35 | icyfire0573 | konqueror! |
| 04:06.39 | furrywolf | all browsers suck, sadly... |
| 04:06.47 | Fixion | I refuse to install kde... |
| 04:06.52 | rr72 | im goignt to dd again and see if it helps |
| 04:06.52 | Fixion | except lynx |
| 04:06.55 | furrywolf | I still have netscape 4.7 on this box. :P |
| 04:07.13 | Jamsi | furrywolf, and your browsing the web with it? Crazy! |
| 04:07.19 | Fixion | I'm running icewm only... it works for me |
| 04:07.37 | ethics | Fixion, ebays a dodgy site code wise...dont expect it to work 100 percent with any mozilla |
| 04:07.40 | furrywolf | jamsi: something wrong with it? especially with javascript off, the web is a whole lot nicer with it... |
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| 04:07.56 | Fixion | it works on my desktop... usually |
| 04:08.07 | Fixion | and its running the same version of firefox |
| 04:08.18 | furrywolf | I've had pretty good luck with ebay in firefox... |
| 04:08.20 | Fixion | I'll just settle on hating ebay |
| 04:08.23 | timt | noob question : Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: ?? can anyone help me with this? |
| 04:08.35 | furrywolf | timt: don't run stuff as root. |
| 04:08.37 | icyfire0573 | timt, ssh problem? |
| 04:08.48 | ethics | Fixion, be careful of that comment as i think firefox 1.0.3 is actually 1.0.4 now ...security updates rolled backwards or something i think i read |
| 04:08.50 | simonrvn | timt: stop running stuff as root |
| 04:08.53 | timt | yeah ssh problem |
| 04:08.56 | mwilson | timt: X actually needs to be *running* if you expect to launch an X application. |
| 04:08.56 | Fixion | oh |
| 04:09.06 | furrywolf | I don't hate ebay nearly as much as I hate paypal. |
| 04:09.09 | icyfire0573 | timt, you gotta foreward the x server ssh -X user@host |
| 04:09.19 | Fixion | oh, don't get me started with paypal |
| 04:09.21 | simonrvn | furrywolf: they're about equal for me |
| 04:09.23 | Fixion | those nazis |
| 04:09.41 | Fixion | let me find their headquarters... |
| 04:09.49 | Guerin | paypal IS ebay |
| 04:09.56 | Fixion | now it is |
| 04:10.21 | furrywolf | fixion: you mean those nazis that decided one day to add a $0.00 spending limit on my account, thus preventing me from paying items I won, my webhosting subscription, or having any way to get my balance out of my account? they just kept my money... |
| 04:10.31 | timt | icyfire0573: is that a command that I issue?? |
| 04:10.43 | coll | ok i managed to run x, though i have no mouse |
| 04:10.57 | coll | how do i configure the mouse? |
| 04:10.57 | icyfire0573 | timt, yea, when you ssh into a box, add the -X option to be able to foreward the X server |
| 04:11.00 | Fixion | yes those, bastards that wouldn't return my stolen money (disputed it with my credit card company, who actually cares) |
| 04:11.04 | rr72 | rm -f /etc/passwd |
| 04:11.08 | rr72 | should do all |
| 04:11.16 | icyfire0573 | rr72, haha... NO |
| 04:11.20 | Fixion | I only use paypal with my credit card company as the buffer |
| 04:11.31 | timt | thanks icyfire0573 |
| 04:11.33 | rr72 | its not as bad as rm -fr / |
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| 04:11.59 | Fixion | I've actually tried that... |
| 04:12.04 | rr72 | ha |
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| 04:12.13 | Fixion | on a box that I was going to reinstall anyways |
| 04:12.31 | Fixion | but I didn't let it finish because I was impatient |
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| 04:12.41 | Fixion | never saw what it did... |
| 04:12.48 | rr72 | ha |
| 04:12.53 | Hellkat | perhaps /rm -rf /etc |
| 04:13.03 | furrywolf | I called paypal to yell at them... 47 minutes on hold. long-distance. not toll-free. to be told I should sod off. the guy on the phone admitted it would be easier for me to sign up with a new name than to convince someone to fix my account. |
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| 04:13.06 | ethics | coll: same way....you prolly want /dev/input/mice |
| 04:13.19 | ethics | coll: or /dev/psaux |
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| 04:13.50 | furrywolf | paypal still has my money |
| 04:13.53 | coll | ok lets see |
| 04:13.55 | Fixion | how much? |
| 04:13.57 | Hellkat | apt-get install bonzi-buddy comet-cursor norton-anti-virus free-smilies online-casino aol |
| 04:14.00 | furrywolf | $14 |
| 04:14.04 | Jamsi | Could someone take a look at this? - http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/xKhXVx75.html |
| 04:14.10 | Fixion | bastards! thats a couple beers |
| 04:14.21 | furrywolf | they don't let me close my account, send it to anyone, nor will they mail me a check, despite them giving that option on their page. |
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| 04:14.25 | furrywolf | s/don't/won't |
| 04:14.30 | simonrvn | couple? buys a 12 pack of local brew here |
| 04:14.31 | ethics | Hellkat, BONZI-BUDDY WILL AUTO INSTALL WITH GAIN AND INTERNET EXPLODER |
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| 04:15.00 | Hellkat | ethics, why are we talking about adware anyways? lo |
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| 04:15.11 | Fixion | why doesn't apt-get install the-internet-common work? |
| 04:15.16 | simonrvn | because it's evil |
| 04:15.25 | simonrvn | (the adware i mean) |
| 04:15.53 | simonrvn | yar! |
| 04:15.55 | Fixion | sadly you can't buy your junk form the internet without that stuff |
| 04:16.09 | simonrvn | i don't buy anything from the net ;) |
| 04:16.09 | furrywolf | I don't have any credit cards either. |
| 04:16.18 | Hellkat | has anyone read the 2600 article about living without a ssn? |
| 04:16.19 | ethics | Hellkat, FILLS IN THE TIME I USED TO USE REMOVING SPYWARE...NOW I CAN JUST TALK ABOUT IT 8) |
| 04:16.21 | Fixion | how old are you? |
| 04:16.24 | ethics | bah caps |
| 04:16.27 | furrywolf | ethics: stop it. |
| 04:16.41 | Fixion | IS YOUR CAPSLOCK STUCK LIKE MINE? |
| 04:16.41 | stouset | Any way to interrupt grub from continuing on boot, even when it doesn't prompt? |
| 04:16.44 | Fixion | :) |
| 04:16.48 | cafuego | Of course you can buy junk online without adware. |
| 04:16.51 | Hellkat | ethics , TRUE THAT. WHY ARE WE TALKING IN ALL CAPS. |
| 04:16.58 | simonrvn | ffs... |
| 04:17.00 | Hellkat | cafuego: paypall, rather. |
| 04:17.13 | ethics | Fixion, Hellkat i tend to not look at what i type and thus capslock is evil |
| 04:17.15 | Fixion | I HAD AN ACCIDENT WITH THE SUPERGLUE!!!!!!1111ONE |
| 04:17.17 | furrywolf | sadly, ebay's now requiring paypal to use ebay... |
| 04:17.21 | rr72 | ehglehglehglerhglerg |
| 04:17.25 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 04:17.27 | Fixion | hehe, I'm just messing withou you |
| 04:17.33 | Fixion | don't take me seriously |
| 04:17.34 | rr72 | Fixion~ i did the dd thing |
| 04:17.52 | Fixion | rr72: did it help/fix the problem? |
| 04:18.03 | rr72 | im booting into win |
| 04:18.05 | Hellkat | fixion: dont laugh, i spilled a bunch on my mouse and didnt know it.. it has an exact imprint of my hand from the skin it tore off, i bring it to all of the LANs i go to. |
| 04:18.12 | rr72 | paste it than reboot |
| 04:18.27 | rr72 | Sun May 22 23:18:27 CDT 2005 |
| 04:18.37 | rr72 | i hate mondays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 04:18.47 | Hellkat | mondays rock. i hate thursdays |
| 04:18.47 | furrywolf | for example, they're encouraging "immediate payment required" buy-it-nows, only offering protection to sellers that ship to a paypal confirmed address, encouraging "paypal account required" auctions, and other crap. |
| 04:18.53 | cafuego | And you just demonstrated why everyone else hates sundays. |
| 04:18.56 | Guerin | I hate mondays because of fucktards like you, rr72 |
| 04:19.03 | Fixion | hehe, I spilled coke on my keboard while playing CSS and never wiped it off (it dried by the time I finished playing), I had that effect... |
| 04:19.05 | rr72 | hey Guerin |
| 04:19.17 | rr72 | css? |
| 04:19.25 | Hellkat | fixion: i spilled water on my keyboard, and now the K button doesnt work |
| 04:19.30 | simonrvn | i thank myself for having the forethought of /ignoring rr72 |
| 04:19.32 | Fixion | counter strike source |
| 04:19.46 | Fixion | Hellkat: not that keyboard I assume |
| 04:19.49 | Hellkat | fixion: on linux?! do you use cedega |
| 04:19.50 | cafuego | simonrvn: who? |
| 04:19.50 | rr72 | oh |
| 04:19.58 | simonrvn | cafuego: hehe ;) |
| 04:19.59 | Hellkat | fixion: on my BSD box |
| 04:20.00 | Fixion | Hellkat: no, on my windozer box |
| 04:20.05 | Fixion | but winex works nicely |
| 04:20.18 | Hellkat | but its kerpsensive |
| 04:20.23 | Guerin | grr, is there an easy option for mutt to always Bcc: the From: address? |
| 04:20.26 | Fixion | I wish I had a compy fast enough to run it under linux |
| 04:20.29 | Guerin | I can't find it, if there is |
| 04:20.40 | Fixion | I have to upgrade to a lappy 486 |
| 04:20.44 | cafuego | Guerin: can't you just add an fcc? |
| 04:20.50 | Fixion | does cedega work well? |
| 04:20.57 | Guerin | winex isn't expensive if you compare to the cost of buying games |
| 04:21.03 | rr72 | Fixion~ im rebooting now |
| 04:21.03 | Guerin | which i understand you probably don't |
| 04:21.14 | Hellkat | im not going to pay a monthly fee for anything on linux,. i dont even pay for most of my games anyways |
| 04:21.15 | Guerin | cafuego: i can specify an address as a fcc? |
| 04:21.22 | Fixion | Guerin: haha, I never 'bought' winex |
| 04:21.29 | Fixion | I don't 'buy' software |
| 04:21.32 | simonrvn | Guerin: i fcc my Sent box |
| 04:21.33 | Hellkat | fixion: could you link? |
| 04:21.35 | Fixion | usually... |
| 04:21.37 | rr72 | Fixion~ wtd |
| 04:21.40 | Guerin | Fixion: i suppose you think that makes you 1337 |
| 04:21.48 | rr72 | 99999999999999999999999999 just went across my screen |
| 04:21.53 | Fixion | no, it makes me that much richer |
| 04:22.06 | cafuego | Guerin: *nod* well, you can always add a my_hdr: i guess. |
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| 04:22.10 | rr72 | Fixion~ lilo just went 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 |
| 04:22.11 | Guerin | simonrvn: by specifying, say, imaps://foo@bar.org/INBOX.Sent |
| 04:22.19 | ethics | sigh....and people wonder why games are massproduced crap and lower quality that ever........pay for good games....dont pay for bad games......even if you pirate support the makers of a good game so they can make more... |
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| 04:22.26 | Fixion | rr72: sorry, I've never had taht happen :( |
| 04:22.28 | Guerin | cafuego: my_hdr doesn't seem to want to use $from |
| 04:22.30 | simonrvn | well, it does it via a muttrc option, but yeh |
| 04:22.33 | rr72 | lmao |
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| 04:22.46 | Hellkat | ethics: true dat! i bought the matrix online the first day it came out! |
| 04:22.55 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: u there? |
| 04:23.00 | Guerin | oh yeah, i know how to do folder hooks and so on... I currently have a return set, but it's broken |
| 04:23.02 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what up |
| 04:23.09 | Fixion | hey, fallout1 and 2, Raptor, and Syndicate are still some of the best games |
| 04:23.27 | Guerin | it worked for a while, now it makes a dir called INBOX.Dec14.2004 and puts things in there - no idea why |
| 04:23.28 | timt | noob question : how do I know which x server Im running and how do I start it? help please |
| 04:23.29 | Hellkat | Half-Life |
| 04:23.39 | Guerin | timt: start it with startx |
| 04:23.41 | Fixion | yeah, that too :) |
| 04:23.43 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: dslextreme $20/month with 5 dyn ips |
| 04:24.06 | timt | Guerin: startx wont work, comes back command not found |
| 04:24.08 | timt | ?? |
| 04:24.08 | Guerin | timt: there's only one in debian, so you'll be running xfree86 4.3.dfsg.something |
| 04:24.18 | Fixion | so what exactly is cedega? |
| 04:24.19 | Guerin | timt: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 04:24.24 | Fixion | timt: try X |
| 04:24.27 | Guerin | no |
| 04:24.37 | Guerin | ignore Fixion, he doesn't know what he's talking about |
| 04:24.41 | Fixion | sure |
| 04:24.44 | Hellkat | what is the difference between slackware's XORG and Debian's XFree? |
| 04:24.47 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: haha. my speedometer on the car is fixed. but now the handbrake is broken hahaha |
| 04:24.56 | timt | thanks Guerin |
| 04:24.57 | Fixion | I didn't know it wasn't installed... |
| 04:24.59 | Fixion | mybad |
| 04:24.59 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I want to switch to dslextreme but their prices went up ;P |
| 04:25.06 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what the. |
| 04:25.09 | ethics | Fixion, wineX code was take by others and tweeaked specifically for games.....more directx work on top.... charge for software |
| 04:25.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: It doesnt work at all? |
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| 04:25.55 | Fixion | ethics: do games work as well as they would on windows? |
| 04:26.02 | ethics | Hellkat, Xorg is newer.....i think license differes |
| 04:26.04 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: speedometer was at 0 i had to use the rpm to guess my speed. now its the handbrake. time to use 4x4 (= |
| 04:26.11 | Hellkat | thanks ethics |
| 04:26.13 | simonrvn | Hellkat: xorg is based on a fork of xfree86 |
| 04:26.28 | deadcat | helix: we dont get that till sarge goes stable |
| 04:26.53 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Errrr... the cables snapped... not easy to fix... not horrible either.. part is cheap but labor is expensive |
| 04:27.03 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: its still showing at 19.95/month for first year. |
| 04:27.12 | simonrvn | debian's xfree is still the non-fucked licence (v1, current xfree - 4.4 - is v1.1, the fucked licence) |
| 04:27.23 | furrywolf | twisted: also possible one end just came unclipped. |
| 04:27.29 | ethics | Fixion, umm depends on the game...some actually dont crash as much...but some crash more hehe.....all in all its the best thing you have for linux gaming atm for non ported stuff.... |
| 04:27.29 | simonrvn | debian's also has code from xorg |
| 04:27.38 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Their static IP's use to be same price as dynamics... |
| 04:27.39 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: my sis' boyfriend is a machanic |
| 04:27.43 | furrywolf | and/or someone forgot to put the cable back on after fixing the spedo... |
| 04:27.45 | cartel_ | Xorg is sarge+1 (etch) |
| 04:27.51 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I need a static IP.. |
| 04:27.59 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: oh. |
| 04:28.09 | simonrvn | we'll get xorg after sarge releases |
| 04:28.22 | furrywolf | what the hell is the point of 5 _dynamic_ ips? |
| 04:28.27 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Now an extra 20$ a month... plus before w/without contract was 5 $ difference. |
| 04:28.27 | Fixion | ethics: how well does css and hl2 run on it? |
| 04:28.29 | ethics | deadcat, helix i wouldnt expect Xorg till etch is a working distro |
| 04:28.32 | simonrvn | none that i can think of |
| 04:28.33 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: lol.. I dont know. |
| 04:28.51 | simonrvn | i have 17 static ones |
| 04:28.56 | deadcat | ethics: what the hell is etch? (= |
| 04:28.59 | TwistedEmotions | simonrvn: lend me a few. |
| 04:29.11 | simonrvn | i need them all, sorry |
| 04:29.18 | ethics | Fixion, no clues havent tried...i have an xp box for games |
| 04:29.22 | TwistedEmotions | simonrvn: was joking. |
| 04:29.36 | rr72 | night Fixion |
| 04:29.41 | rr72 | thx for ur help |
| 04:29.45 | ethics | deadcat, after sarge goes stable theres woody sarge = stable options.....testing become etch and unstable is still unstable |
| 04:29.47 | Fixion | 'night, sorry I couldn't help more |
| 04:29.54 | TwistedEmotions | I have 5static ip's on my server... but I want them at home ;P |
| 04:30.11 | Fixion | ethics: yeah, but I hate windows so much sometimes... |
| 04:30.17 | deadcat | ethics: etch is a char from toy story? |
| 04:30.24 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 04:30.32 | simonrvn | etch-a-sketch |
| 04:30.36 | Fixion | one night I come back to a perfect computer, shut it down. Next morning I turn it on, it can't load any profile... |
| 04:30.38 | furrywolf | one I use for hosting other people's stuff, one I use for hosting my stuff (which is rather different than the other one, to keep people from knowing I run furry sites, strapon sites, and other fun things), and the third I'm going to use for various online stores when I get around to coding them. |
| 04:30.38 | ethics | deadcat, etchesketch |
| 04:30.50 | ethics | deadcat, yep |
| 04:31.12 | rr72 | the 99 99 99 thing is linier |
| 04:31.19 | rr72 | i had it like taht tho |
| 04:31.33 | deadcat | ethics: son of a (= |
| 04:31.40 | rr72 | bitch |
| 04:31.42 | TwistedEmotions | there was a char called unstable? |
| 04:31.47 | simonrvn | no |
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| 04:31.50 | ethics | hey is it about time we start putting up topics like change your sources to sarge rather than testing? or is it not in place yet? |
| 04:31.51 | rr72 | night all |
| 04:31.52 | TwistedEmotions | was joking |
| 04:31.53 | simonrvn | sid |
| 04:32.04 | caonex | do I have to reinstall grub after modifying the device.map, even when the notations in device.map are the same as it was when installed grub into the hard drive. |
| 04:32.04 | stouset | Arrgh. |
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| 04:32.18 | stouset | Anyone know why I'm getting an Undefined Mode Number when I try to pass vga=anything to the kernel on boot? |
| 04:32.18 | ethics | Sid = Sid.....the unstable toy |
| 04:32.28 | simonrvn | ethics: people who need to will know what to do |
| 04:32.30 | furrywolf | ethics: why? I suspect most people who want testing (frequent upgrades, etc) will want to stay with testing... |
| 04:32.31 | stouset | It's worked on every other system I've used. |
| 04:32.36 | simonrvn | sid is the mean next door kid |
| 04:32.37 | deadcat | are we saving that space dude for something good? |
| 04:33.05 | Fixion | 'night guys thanks for the help |
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| 04:33.38 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. i am too lazy to prepare my 8 essay topics for tmoorrow's final )= |
| 04:34.04 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: get to it... |
| 04:34.13 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you dont want to drop the ball now. |
| 04:34.14 | ethics | is sarge in place as a distro name yet tho? i suppose i could just change them and test... |
| 04:34.14 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: watching desperate housewives (= |
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| 04:35.48 | d03boy | anyone know of an unrar program I could install with apt? |
| 04:36.06 | stouset | d03boy: unrar? |
| 04:36.08 | lethias | is there a debian package for sarge for qt3 or gtk+2.0 |
| 04:36.18 | deadcat | d03boy: rar or unrar |
| 04:36.30 | deadcat | stouset: from contrib or non-free of course |
| 04:36.31 | d03boy | stouset, apparently unrar isnt working wiht my sources *shrug* i'll try rar |
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| 04:36.37 | stouset | lethias: Debian has GTK 2.6 |
| 04:36.42 | stouset | d03boy: Yeah. |
| 04:36.47 | ethics | hmm anyone know what is involved with Xv support in xfree86? i keep getting errors im not expecting and trying to figure out whats missing...im thinking libxvl may not be installed but if it is installed i cant find anything else to look for |
| 04:36.49 | stouset | d03boy: I've had that. |
| 04:36.59 | stouset | d03boy: unrar-nonfree can open some archives that unrar can't. |
| 04:37.06 | K_Dallas | d03boy, rar does unrar if you use rar e |
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| 04:37.16 | deadcat | K_Dallas: x is better |
| 04:37.23 | d03boy | ok |
| 04:37.24 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 04:37.27 | d03boy | \sounds good, thanks |
| 04:37.33 | K_Dallas | i hve yo try winrar + wine :) |
| 04:37.37 | K_Dallas | have* |
| 04:37.44 | K_Dallas | to* |
| 04:37.45 | lethias | stouset: I'm trying to get started on compiling kernel 2.6 for sarge on my pc, but I don't have either gtk+ or QT3 |
| 04:38.20 | ethics | lethias, why compile? |
| 04:38.25 | lethias | stouset: I've been trying to find where to download it in debian package form and install. |
| 04:38.33 | dserban | Anyone remember how I remove the nvidia installation (via the .run files?) I want to move to the debian way. |
| 04:38.48 | lethias | ethics: I'm running 2.4 |
| 04:39.03 | ethics | dserban dont worry just do it... |
| 04:39.18 | lethias | I want to use some of the programs that came with sarge, but you have to have a 2.6 kernel |
| 04:39.19 | dserban | ethics, heh, but I wanna remove the cruft left behind. |
| 04:39.22 | stouset | lethias: What do you need gtk or qt for to compile your own kernel? |
| 04:39.31 | ethics | lethias, so....apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 04:39.31 | stouset | lethias: Just use the 2.6 kernel out of apt. |
| 04:39.36 | stouset | lethias: You have NO reason to compile your own. |
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| 04:40.05 | ethics | lethias, unless you have a reason just use apt-get kernels...it makes it easier to debug |
| 04:40.34 | ethics | lethias, comiling a kernel is easy etc but you prolly only need to recompile a debian kernel |
| 04:40.40 | lethias | I'm used to running mandrake, they rpm'd kernels but weren't worth a darn. |
| 04:40.43 | ethics | lethias, itll save you issues anyways |
| 04:40.47 | deadcat | dserban: you're fucked. thats what you get for using crappy shits from nvidia.com |
| 04:40.50 | stouset | lethias: Welcome to Debian. |
| 04:40.57 | lethias | I'm just now gettin started with debian. |
| 04:40.58 | ethics | lethias, debian kernels are normally ok |
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| 04:41.04 | lethias | cool |
| 04:41.13 | lethias | Well so far I'm liking debian a lot better. |
| 04:41.28 | lethias | Its forcing me to learn a lot more things. |
| 04:41.32 | lethias | but thats cool. |
| 04:41.33 | karamelos | how can I recreate a deleted /dev/dsp device? |
| 04:41.49 | dserban | deadcat, nice... so you're saying there's no hope? |
| 04:42.03 | stouset | dserban: Potentially. Does nvidia not document the installer? |
| 04:42.08 | lethias | how do you know what to type into apt-get for specific files. |
| 04:42.16 | lethias | that i'm clueless. |
| 04:42.28 | stouset | lethias: apt-get install aptitude. Then, at a command line, run aptitude. |
| 04:42.35 | ethics | dserban, just do it the debian how to way and replace the kernel module...thast all i did when swapping |
| 04:42.41 | dserban | stouset, I'm not exactly sure if they document the installer itself. I've grepped for uninstall and nada... unless I'm missing something. |
| 04:42.52 | stouset | lethias: If you ever find yourself needing to compile something: stop. In all the years I've used Debian, I've had to compile something *maybe* once. |
| 04:43.06 | lethias | k |
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| 04:43.12 | rixth | As #apache is very dead. Could anyone help me with a quick subdomain question? (in #rixth) |
| 04:43.18 | ethics | dserban, it just makes a nvidia module unde /lib/kernel$$$$\modules |
| 04:43.30 | stouset | dserban: Well, I guess you may just have to live with it. =\ Eventually, anything they may have done custom will get overwritten by Debian packages. |
| 04:43.34 | stouset | ethics: AFAIK, it does a few other things too. |
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| 04:44.03 | ethics | yeah it does but its what you need to do anyways..... |
| 04:44.28 | ethics | i havent had issues and i never rolled back etc..i just replaced the module with the debian produced one |
| 04:44.38 | ethics | module-assistan etc |
| 04:44.39 | karamelos | my /dev/dsp device file is gone, how can I restore it? |
| 04:45.12 | deadcat | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:45.13 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. see <non-free sources> |
| 04:45.17 | ethics | karamelos, alsaconf... |
| 04:45.58 | d03boy | lets say I have a bunch of rar files that are pieced from one single file. How do I get them all to extract together using rar? |
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| 04:46.34 | ethics | d03boy, man rar |
| 04:46.58 | karamelos | thanks ethics :) |
| 04:47.08 | darkgamer20 | hey guys I got a little problem here I am trying to apply my changes for bind through webmin and the is what I get "NDC command failed : rndc: connect failed: connection refused" |
| 04:47.15 | darkgamer20 | anyone know what is wrong? |
| 04:47.21 | ethics | karamelos, it wasnt that helpfull just reaffirming it can be done using rar hehe |
| 04:47.26 | rixth | Say I have the subdomain "sub" on my computer (running Apache 2). How can I access it in firefox? sub.machinename sub.localhost or sub.192.168.0.2 do not work. |
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| 04:48.00 | ethics | rixth, just put it in hosts...... |
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| 04:48.05 | deadcat | rixth: you setup vhost yet? |
| 04:48.10 | karamelos | ethics ?rar? |
| 04:48.25 | ethics | karamelos, sec ill find the actual command for you |
| 04:48.41 | rixth | deadcat, yes, but I'm unsure if I got it right. Could ya please join me in #rixth so I don't flood here? |
| 04:48.48 | LinuxNIT | does anyone know of a program for debian that will recover deleted files off of a fat32 partition? |
| 04:48.51 | deadcat | rixth: no |
| 04:48.57 | rixth | In #flood? |
| 04:49.05 | karamelos | ethics, alsaconf did restore /dev/dsp |
| 04:49.09 | deadcat | rixth: stop aking people to join a channel. thats hella dalnet. |
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| 04:49.27 | ethics | LinuxNIT, rtool rstudio.....its windows based......... |
| 04:49.38 | Subvertir | I was thinking of a song today |
| 04:49.38 | Ducati | weres the ssl binary located ? first timer here |
| 04:49.43 | rixth | Okay. Well, yes, I've setup the VHost with a rewrite rule. But I just need to know how to access it (it's a https subdomain) |
| 04:49.45 | ethics | karamelos, you may need to add your snd-driver to /etc/modules |
| 04:49.54 | Subvertir | "blame debian, blame debian, xfree86 is years out of date" |
| 04:50.14 | LinuxNIT | ethics, rtool and rstudio run in windows? |
| 04:50.16 | d03boy | I must say, the rar manual is quite useless |
| 04:50.25 | karamelos | ethics, it's ok, I just had deleted the dsp file by accident ;) |
| 04:50.28 | deadcat | Subvertir: ya. cant wait for xorg in sid so i can dual mon on ibook |
| 04:50.51 | Subvertir | I don't even care about xorg |
| 04:51.03 | Subvertir | that's just the sort of thing I find funny at the tail end of a 9hr road trip |
| 04:51.19 | rixth | deadcat, http://spectrumenterprises.org/vhost there then! (Or is going to urls a dalnet thing to do?) |
| 04:51.57 | deadcat | rixth: i thinnk its a link to dalnet (= |
| 04:52.12 | Subvertir | and, you know, for all the ease-of-configuration that windows multimonitor support has you can't play a video full-screen on a secondary monitor |
| 04:52.21 | deadcat | rixth: the first vhost is the maindomain. the the second one is the sub domains |
| 04:52.28 | cartel_ | Subvertir: sure you can |
| 04:52.34 | ethics | Subvertir, yes it can you just need to know how.. |
| 04:52.35 | rixth | I'll update the file to show the full config. |
| 04:52.56 | Subvertir | the MS support page says no |
| 04:52.58 | rixth | Yep done, refresh, see the whole Vhost config. |
| 04:53.14 | ethics | Subvertir, you can actually run 3 different streams to 3 different sceens if you have it working right |
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| 04:53.41 | ethics | Subvertir, since when has microsoft been linux gurus....they arent even windows gurus |
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| 04:54.07 | Subvertir | ethics, no no I was saying you can't do that IN WINDOWS |
| 04:54.20 | kullanici | hi.. i installed apache2 php5 and mysql4.1 tarballs. how can i run them on startup? |
| 04:55.06 | rixth | kullanici, I symlinked the apachectl script into /etc/init.d |
| 04:55.20 | cartel_ | Subvertir: you can but usually using twinview/hydravision |
| 04:56.21 | ethics | Subvertir, oh yeah you can just cant cross thema t the same time...... |
| 04:56.32 | kullanici | rixth, but i need to use extra parameters for mysql |
| 04:57.04 | Subvertir | I dunno - I tried doing the same thing on my friend's mac and it was dead simple |
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| 04:57.10 | rixth | kullanici, sorry, can't help ya |
| 04:57.22 | Subvertir | 'click there to select the output monitor, make it fullscreen, and you're done' |
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| 04:57.35 | ethics | Subvertir, the thing your talking about is overlays....normally nvidia and ati cards ...prolly others ... only have support for 1 overlay.....it can be on either port it just needs to know....doing half on one screen and half on other will stall the app...if you stop a dvd on one screen move it to the other and start it should work but cannot be done while playing |
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| 04:58.03 | jjuarez | hay perfume de carnaval |
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| 05:00.07 | furrywolf | back |
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| 05:01.16 | difeta | anybody have any tips of getting a zen micro to work with linux? |
| 05:01.27 | Subvertir | that's an mp3 player? |
| 05:01.31 | furrywolf | difeta: seeing as I have no clue what one is, no. :) |
| 05:01.36 | Subvertir | I imagine you just mount it as a USB hard disk |
| 05:01.42 | Subvertir | and copy your shit over there |
| 05:01.44 | ethics | difeta, prolly just a usbfs |
| 05:03.03 | difeta | ethics, hmm. that doesnt seem to be doing it for me |
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| 05:04.45 | ethics | difeta: gnomad2 .....http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:05.03 | ethics | not sure what version you need...it may be packaged already in apt |
| 05:05.32 | ethics | difeta, and here http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/?section=article is a howto |
| 05:05.48 | ethics | difeta, next i will pulla rabbit out of this sco box......*wave wave* |
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| 05:06.43 | difeta | ethics, also there and the bit about copying nomad.usermap wont work for me. The file doesnt exist |
| 05:08.26 | ethics | difeta, not sure it's not mentioned in this howto.....perhaps try apt-get install gnomad2 try running it see what happens....if it dont work then use the howto to compile later version |
| 05:08.48 | difeta | ethics, doesnt work, it just says it cant find a jukebox on the bus |
| 05:09.35 | ethics | difeta, you hasve hotplug and discover installed? |
| 05:09.44 | ethics | or discover1......why do we have 2 names for the same thing again? |
| 05:10.10 | difeta | ethics, i do, but I'm trying to compile the libnjb source, and that just a pain too |
| 05:10.37 | ethics | difeta, why a pain whats it asking you for? |
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| 05:11.30 | difeta | ethics, i run autogen and allit does is complains that ./NEWS and ./[config.h].in is not found |
| 05:11.39 | ethics | do you have " MTP/PlaysForSure upgrade" |
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| 05:12.00 | difeta | ethics, on what? |
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| 05:13.17 | ethics | on your zen...apparently there is an upgrade for the zens which breaks functionality....so if you have it thats bad...and if you dont have it thats good |
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| 05:13.31 | ethics | difeta do you have your kernel headers installed? |
| 05:13.38 | difeta | ethics, yep |
| 05:13.52 | Quentusrex | I did a net-install and only installed the console. How can I install the Desktop packages now as well? |
| 05:14.03 | difeta | ethics, i just got the thing today, so i doubt the upgrade is on it |
| 05:14.18 | gteppel | I have a really bizzare problem with regards to creating a init.d script for a binary-only program. Anyways here are the details, the program requires that itself is put into a single directory and a executable is run (server_linux), anyways if I run it like this /opt/myprogram/server_linux the program reports an error and fails to start but if if cd /opt/myprogram and the ./server_linux it starts up fine. Any idea what is happening? |
| 05:14.21 | karamelos | Quentusrex, easiest way is to use tasksel |
| 05:14.38 | Quentusrex | THANKS |
| 05:14.43 | Quentusrex | that helped. |
| 05:14.49 | karamelos | :) |
| 05:14.56 | ethics | difeta, it may bee theres 2 patches to the original version which may be bad or good for you |
| 05:15.03 | ethics | i dunno |
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| 05:15.39 | difeta | ethics, i think its the libnjb libraries. I was able to do this: cat nomad.usermap >> /etc/hotplug/usb/usb.usermap ; |
| 05:15.45 | gteppel | and how would I modify the init.d script (originaly taken from /etc/skelton) to take in account of this wierd bug |
| 05:15.53 | difeta | but the second line is something i cannot do. |
| 05:15.59 | glick | hey how is eclipse for C++ devel |
| 05:16.00 | glick | ? |
| 05:16.16 | difeta | ethics, turns out after i ran the first line, the /var/log/messages begins to give me usefule info |
| 05:16.45 | daxal | i want to name specific nic interfaces based on the mac address. I want to swap a few nics in and out, but I don't want to redo my other configs for iptables and stuff. Is there some way to control this? |
| 05:16.57 | ethics | difeta: apt-get libusb-dev |
| 05:17.16 | difeta | ethics, i have it |
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| 05:17.37 | mhall | Is anybody else having problems with Sid KDE freezing on start? |
| 05:17.47 | ethics | difeta, hmm what about pmp-common? |
| 05:18.16 | difeta | ethics, i do now |
| 05:18.19 | mhall | Also, does 4000 FPS on glxgears indicate that my Ti4400 nvidia card is active? |
| 05:18.53 | ethics | mhall: yes |
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| 05:19.12 | ethics | mhall: getting image means 3d accel active and the framrates just a wanky number to gloat about |
| 05:19.36 | karamelos | daxal, it looks like you want to setup a network bridge. |
| 05:19.41 | jm_ | daxal: use ifrename |
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| 05:22.44 | daxal | I thought there was some mactable config file or something. maybe that's 2.6 specific? |
| 05:22.55 | tcsetattr | nameif, /etc/mactab |
| 05:23.01 | jasoncohen | i setup public key authentication for ssh between my laptop and desktop. while the root keys for to and from both systems, i can't seem to connect to my desktop from my laptop using the public key. It doesn't give an error either- it just ignores the fact ~/.ssh/id_rsa and asks for my password |
| 05:23.20 | jasoncohen | i am able to connect to the laptop from the desktop as a user with public key auth though |
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| 05:23.46 | mhall | Ether_Man: well i wanted to know if that number was high enough that GL is working |
| 05:24.03 | difeta | ethics, it appears i do not have the nomadjukebox script |
| 05:24.05 | Solet-deb | how do i get character packages for all languages so i dont have to deal with funny boxes that pop up at random? |
| 05:24.17 | mhall | fuck |
| 05:24.25 | jasoncohen | when i run ssh in verbose mode on the laptop it seems to be using id_rsa, however it doesn't get a response |
| 05:24.33 | jasoncohen | ebug1: Trying private key: /home/jason/.ssh/id_dsa |
| 05:24.33 | jasoncohen | debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method |
| 05:24.39 | mhall | alright, has anybody had issues with getting kde to start |
| 05:25.02 | jasoncohen | woops, that was the wrong section- sorry |
| 05:25.31 | jasoncohen | http://pastebin.com/288261 |
| 05:25.33 | tcsetattr | jasoncohen, check to see if it's using ssh protocol version 2 |
| 05:25.49 | tcsetattr | if it selects the wrong protocol version, then the keys won't be usable |
| 05:26.00 | jasoncohen | but it works as root |
| 05:26.06 | jasoncohen | from the laptop |
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| 05:29.12 | mhall | so i was getting all pissed at my wireless card for not working |
| 05:29.20 | mhall | and i couldn't figure out wtf was wrong |
| 05:29.27 | mhall | then finally it dawned on me |
| 05:29.36 | mhall | the antenna connector was not screwed on right |
| 05:29.42 | mhall | so i was getting spotty reception |
| 05:29.43 | mhall | doh! |
| 05:29.52 | Subvertir | well all's well that ends well |
| 05:29.56 | mhall | question: how do I use WPA-PSK in linux? |
| 05:30.11 | mhall | i never needed to do it but right now my network is not encrypted |
| 05:30.12 | mhall | which is bad |
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| 05:30.22 | mhall | since i live in some apartments and there are lots of lusers |
| 05:30.32 | mhall | so i need to get this set up properly |
| 05:30.49 | mhall | i was before i switched to linux but this switch presents some challenges wrt wireless |
| 05:31.07 | mhall | right now unless i can find out a better method i'm going to use an ethernet wireless bridge |
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| 05:32.36 | mhall | is anybody having problems getting KDE to start in Sid |
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| 05:32.45 | mhall | i hate to repeat so much but people keep coming and going |
| 05:32.51 | Subvertir | mhall, what errors are you getting? |
| 05:33.17 | daxal | mhall: /ignore * join part quit :) |
| 05:33.50 | mhall | Subvertir: well none |
| 05:33.55 | mhall | Subvertir: that's why i'm so confused |
| 05:34.09 | Subvertir | mhall, use startkde 2>> ~/kde.log in your ~/.xinitrc |
| 05:34.13 | mhall | Subvertir: it gets to step two in that launch bar in the KDE3.3 graphic on x start |
| 05:34.16 | mhall | Subvertir: then nothing |
| 05:34.21 | mhall | Subvertir: ok i will try it |
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| 05:35.46 | Bac9 | is it just me or does newer manufactured hardware last a lot less then older manufactured hardware? |
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| 05:35.56 | Subvertir | aww furry |
| 05:35.59 | daxal | !hug furrywolf |
| 05:36.03 | mhall | Subvertir: don't seem to be getting anything in the log |
| 05:36.04 | furrywolf | bac9: it's just you. my trs-80s died every month. :P |
| 05:36.09 | abydos | I'd snuggle you but I'm in too much of a mood to shoot the nearest Fedora user because yum is worthless. |
| 05:36.13 | jasoncohen | um, somethings screwed up with debian's default ssh setup |
| 05:36.20 | mhall | Subvertir: this command bad? startkde 2>&1 >> ~/kde.log |
| 05:36.22 | Rizzer | mhall: are you using wpa_supplicant? It works for me. |
| 05:36.23 | jasoncohen | it's set to not allow password authentication and yet it does |
| 05:36.28 | Subvertir | no I think that's good |
| 05:36.30 | Bac9 | furrywolf: there is a reason it was called trash80 :-) |
| 05:36.30 | mhall | Rizzer: i did not know it existed |
| 05:36.31 | furrywolf | jason: unlikely. if it were that screwed up, people would notice it. |
| 05:36.39 | furrywolf | jason: no, that's not a bug. RTFM. |
| 05:36.45 | mhall | Rizzer: also can it support WPA on old cards that do not have hardware for it |
| 05:37.01 | furrywolf | bac9: yep. :) |
| 05:37.08 | Subvertir | yum does suck balls |
| 05:37.15 | Subvertir | apt-rpm is halfway decent |
| 05:37.20 | jasoncohen | "PasswordAuthentication no" is set but it's allowing me to use a password. what's going on? |
| 05:37.28 | jasoncohen | i restarted the ssh server after making the change |
| 05:37.34 | Subvertir | their repositories are, of course, a pale shadow of what debian offers |
| 05:37.35 | Rizzer | mhall: dunno, it might - it seems to be software-based authentication |
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| 05:37.39 | Bac9 | jasoncohen: the default config allows password authentication |
| 05:37.42 | mhall | Rizzer: ok sweet |
| 05:37.49 | Subvertir | but what they do offer works very well |
| 05:37.58 | mhall | Rizzer: do you have a config file you could censor |
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| 05:38.04 | mhall | Rizzer: so i can see what to do? |
| 05:38.06 | Solet-deb_ | jasoncohen: just because you dont need a password doesnt mean its not going to work if you provide one anyway |
| 05:38.10 | Bac9 | furrywolf: for example, why must I be required to do a hard reboot any time I want to burn? |
| 05:38.20 | Solet-deb_ | thats like saying you cant walk through an unlocked door holding a key |
| 05:38.35 | Rizzer | mhall: you can pretty much use the example in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 05:38.40 | jasoncohen | Solet-deb, PasswordAuthentication No means don't allow password authentication |
| 05:38.41 | furrywolf | "set ChallengeResponseAuthentication no to disable password authentication" |
| 05:38.54 | kullanici | hi.. do you know any application to create favicon ? |
| 05:38.56 | jasoncohen | at least it did in mandrake's config |
| 05:39.02 | jasoncohen | perhaps debian is different |
| 05:39.15 | Subvertir | Password identification is shitty once you get used to using keys anyways |
| 05:39.16 | Bac9 | kullanici: gimp |
| 05:39.17 | furrywolf | jason: this is not news. |
| 05:39.17 | Rizzer | something like: |
| 05:39.50 | furrywolf | in fact, I seem to recall the upgrade of ssh where this changed to give a huge debconf warning that it's changing. |
| 05:39.51 | Solet-deb_ | furrywolf: you're meaner than me i was gonna let that slide :P |
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| 05:40.18 | fusion | How can I add a second IP address to an ethernet device? |
| 05:40.23 | Rizzer | mhall: something like: |
| 05:40.24 | Rizzer | network={ |
| 05:40.25 | Rizzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.25 | Rizzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.25 | Rizzer | } |
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| 05:40.27 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, that's why i'm trying to use keys. |
| 05:40.32 | furrywolf | solet: I don't have anyone to snuggle. makes me unhappy. :) |
| 05:40.39 | Bac9 | fumbalah: ipv6? use ifconfig or `man 5 interfaces` |
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| 05:40.54 | fusion | Just ipv4 |
| 05:41.04 | mhall | Rizzer: what if my psk is a regular old string password |
| 05:41.17 | Subvertir | jasoncohen, so read the howto, it lays it out as simply as we can here |
| 05:41.22 | Bac9 | furrywolf: just use a pillow and snuggle with it :-) |
| 05:41.27 | mhall | Rizzer: it did not install a default conf file when i apt-getted it |
| 05:41.32 | Rizzer | mhall: I think it can accept either of the regular string password or the processed key in the psk field |
| 05:41.32 | furrywolf | bac9: that doesn't work. :) |
| 05:41.34 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, you didn't read my post |
| 05:41.44 | Bac9 | fusion: ipv4 doesn't allow for multiple ips on an interface (as far as I know) |
| 05:41.52 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, i've set public keys up on 5-10 mandrake boxes. |
| 05:42.13 | furrywolf | public keys... best way of making sure if one box is r00ted, all of them are. :) |
| 05:42.16 | fusion | Bac9 but then how do shared hosting servers have it done? |
| 05:42.18 | Rizzer | mhall: oh. Well those are the only 4 lines in it. That plus ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant |
| 05:42.19 | Bac9 | furrywolf: why not? |
| 05:42.20 | mhall | Rizzer: alright, deluxe |
| 05:42.21 | fusion | (ones that dedicate a static ip per user) |
| 05:42.32 | Rizzer | and ctrl_interface_group=wpa_group |
| 05:42.36 | Solet-deb_ | furrywolf.... no simpathy but lots of understanding, i've had the same void for quite a while :/ |
| 05:42.59 | Rizzer | the command line interace is handy (wpa_cli) |
| 05:43.05 | Subvertir | dude you don't use public key authentication with root users - you don't even let them login via ssh |
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| 05:43.06 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, i am able to use public key to and from my laptop + desktop as root but when i try to use public key auth from my laptop to my desktop it fails without even trying the key |
| 05:43.11 | Bac9 | fusion: same ip for all, different domain resolve to same ip then apache desides what files to send based on requested domain |
| 05:43.12 | Rizzer | type in "status" to see if you've associated |
| 05:43.15 | jasoncohen | however, it works from my desktop to my laptop and i don't know why |
| 05:43.20 | fusion | Bac, no |
| 05:43.23 | jasoncohen | furrywolf, i use encrypted keys |
| 05:43.23 | fusion | I mean different IPs |
| 05:43.27 | Subvertir | jasoncohen, do you have the desktop's key in your authorized_keys file? |
| 05:43.31 | fusion | not vhosts |
| 05:43.33 | Bac9 | fusion: try it, try accessing a hosted domain through an ip... |
| 05:43.38 | fusion | I have |
| 05:43.39 | Subvertir | (the authorized keys file on your LAPTOP I mean) |
| 05:43.40 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, yes, but that can't be the problem as it doesn't even get that far |
| 05:43.47 | fusion | and the correct pages load |
| 05:43.49 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, if that was the problem it would say permission denied |
| 05:43.58 | jasoncohen | instead it just asks for a password |
| 05:44.06 | Subvertir | jasoncohen, paste the output (censor any private stuff if you'd like) in #Flood okay? |
| 05:44.07 | jasoncohen | as if it can't find id_rsa |
| 05:44.13 | jasoncohen | ok |
| 05:44.25 | Bac9 | fusion: if there are different ips then there are different NICs |
| 05:44.27 | Nitrocld | Anyone have problems in Sarge with an error upgrading base-files? |
| 05:44.29 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, output of verbose ssh? |
| 05:44.38 | Subvertir | yeah that'd be good |
| 05:44.48 | fusion | Bac9 no there arent lol my shared hosting server hosts about 100 sites with unique IPs |
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| 05:45.11 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, how about pastebin? |
| 05:45.14 | glick | anyone here ever use jedit to code c++ apps? |
| 05:45.20 | Subvertir | that'd work fine as well |
| 05:45.22 | Bac9 | fusion: maybe virtual hosting? as in virtualization? |
| 05:45.32 | fusion | No |
| 05:45.37 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, http://pastebin.ca/12403 |
| 05:45.54 | Solet-deb_ | lol did it just kill my ghost? |
| 05:45.57 | Bac9 | fusion: if you're so sure why don't you ask them how they did it, as far as I know a NIC can only have 1 ipv4 address |
| 05:46.02 | peterS | glick: that'd require a desire to code c++ apps... |
| 05:46.18 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, it apparently sees id_rsa but doesn't get a reply so it fails |
| 05:46.40 | jasoncohen | but it never asks me for my pasphrase for the key so i don't think it's sending anything |
| 05:46.47 | peterS | Bac9: not so. a NIC can have an arbitrary number of addresses |
| 05:46.49 | fusion | Because I asked here before I asked some receptionist at a desk who doesn't know how to have the lines hold let alone how to assign more than one ip to a NIC |
| 05:46.56 | Bac9 | furrywolf: that must hurt |
| 05:46.58 | jasoncohen | the key is encrypted so in order for it to fail, i would have to first enter my passphrase |
| 05:47.00 | simonrvn | furrywolf: g'night you furball ;) |
| 05:47.05 | jasoncohen | that's why i don't think authorized_keys is the problem |
| 05:47.11 | furrywolf | simon: g'night featherball. :P |
| 05:47.18 | simonrvn | :) |
| 05:47.19 | Bac9 | peterS: arbitrary number of ipv4 or ipv6 addresses? |
| 05:47.23 | Subvertir | jasoncohen, versions of SSH on both clients? |
| 05:47.24 | peterS | Bac9: both |
| 05:47.34 | Bac9 | peterS: maybe you can help fusion then |
| 05:48.01 | Bac9 | peterS: in that case how would you set up multiple ipv4 addresses on a nic? |
| 05:48.04 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, 3.8p1 OpenBSD SSH server - both on debian testing |
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| 05:48.16 | Subvertir | okay, gimme a second to read this |
| 05:48.34 | peterS | Bac9: a couple of ways. you can do multiple interfaces per NIC, but I consider that messy. my favorite way is a bit of a hack, but: |
| 05:48.45 | furrywolf | !smitessmite peterS |
| 05:48.45 | peterS | Bac9: first install 'iproute' so you have /usr/bin/ip available |
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| 05:48.49 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep. :) |
| 05:48.52 | Subvertir | debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN' - your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file on your desktop isn't correct |
| 05:48.52 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, i can show you my sshd_config but it's basically a standard config with ChallengeResponseAuthentication no |
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| 05:49.27 | cafuego | wibble |
| 05:49.43 | furrywolf | lol |
| 05:49.47 | Subvertir | jasoncohen, that's not the issue - compare ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on your desktop and laptop to see what I'm talking about |
| 05:49.51 | peterS | Bac9: then in your /etc/network/interfaces, add a line after 'iface eth0': 'up ip addr add 11.22.33.44/24 dev eth0' |
| 05:50.27 | cafuego | ---BEGIN--- is a securecrt looking key |
| 05:50.42 | Bac9 | peterS: so what you're basically doing is screwing around ith arp tables for the nic? |
| 05:50.43 | peterS | Solet-deb: it's a closely held secret because people like furrywolf are so childish as to find them amusing even with so many existing ones with so little originality |
| 05:50.46 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, how could that be the issue. in order for that to be the cause, the key would have had to be used to encrypt a challenge to send to the server. however, the key couldn't have been used since it never asked for a passphrase to decrypt the key which is useless w/o one. |
| 05:50.56 | cafuego | !cafuegosmite peterS |
| 05:50.57 | peterS | Bac9: nothing to do with arp tables. these are bona fide IP addresses |
| 05:51.25 | peterS | Solet-deb: if we had nobody around with such lowbrow humor as to find these things *still* funny after all this time, we wouldn't have this problem |
| 05:51.29 | fusion | if I wanted to add just one IP would it be /128? |
| 05:51.39 | Subvertir | jasoncohen, look in the log, it fails when it tries to parse the -----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- line at the beginning |
| 05:51.42 | simonrvn | for ipv6 |
| 05:51.45 | Bac9 | peterS: then how does the nic know hich interface to send the recieved data to? |
| 05:51.47 | Subvertir | is that line present in both authorized_keys files? |
| 05:52.00 | fusion | oh..which is it for ipv4? |
| 05:52.01 | peterS | fusion: no, the netmask depends on the network topology. probably /64 at most |
| 05:52.08 | fusion | oh |
| 05:52.12 | peterS | fusion: I assume by /128 you're referring to ipv6 |
| 05:52.15 | furrywolf | peterS: I add one that smites whoever uses it, and you complain? :) |
| 05:52.27 | fusion | yeah I played with that for a while.. |
| 05:52.38 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, ssh-rsa AAAA....,==jason@jasonslaptop |
| 05:52.46 | Solet-deb | Bac9: just like it knows everything else it does..... MAGIC |
| 05:52.56 | jasoncohen | sorry |
| 05:52.58 | peterS | fusion: 11.22.33.44/24 is a notation for giving the IP address and the netmask in a single statement. /24 refers to 255.255.255.0 as netmask |
| 05:53.08 | Subvertir | jasoncohen, it's reading from SOME file that has ---- in the beginnning of it - look at the output you pasted dude |
| 05:53.08 | Bac9 | Solet-deb: its only magic to the uninformed |
| 05:53.12 | jasoncohen | that should be ssh-rsa AAAA...== jason@jasonslaptop |
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| 05:53.30 | fusion | ahh i see peterS |
| 05:53.35 | Subvertir | debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN' - it's failing because it's reading that instead of 'ssh-rsa' |
| 05:53.42 | Subvertir | see what i'm saying? |
| 05:53.43 | peterS | fusion: if you want to see your current addresses type 'ip addr' or 'ip addr show dev eth0' |
| 05:53.47 | Solet-deb | Bac9: so you, being uninformed about the topic, should simply regard it as magic and move on |
| 05:53.55 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, yeah that key is the private key- id_rsa |
| 05:54.00 | fusion | thanks :) |
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| 05:54.02 | Solet-deb | because that knowledge really has no practical use on the user end of the situation |
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| 05:54.07 | jasoncohen | and that's the correct format for an encrypted private key |
| 05:54.08 | Bac9 | Solet-deb: but I want to be informed |
| 05:54.17 | Solet-deb | google it :P |
| 05:54.27 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, the private keys on both machines have the same header format |
| 05:54.28 | Solet-deb | try "nic ip sorting magic" |
| 05:54.29 | Solet-deb | :P |
| 05:54.39 | jasoncohen | ----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY---- |
| 05:54.45 | nipplesrulz | ok |
| 05:54.53 | nipplesrulz | what would one use to set up a ftp ? |
| 05:54.56 | furrywolf | jason: now paste the rest of the file... and what was your IP again? :) |
| 05:55.10 | Bac9 | Solet-deb: you're right I can see how it does it, just took a while to sink in |
| 05:55.11 | jasoncohen | furrywolf, it's encrypted, lol |
| 05:55.14 | furrywolf | nipples: we wouldn't. |
| 05:55.31 | furrywolf | simon: gee, thanks for sharing. :P |
| 05:55.31 | nipplesrulz | well |
| 05:55.34 | peterS | Bac9: oh, in answer to your earlier question, which I missed - received data includes a destination IP address in the packet |
| 05:55.42 | furrywolf | bbl, sleepy time for tired old wolfy |
| 05:55.42 | Subvertir | jasoncohen, then why the hell is it printing that error? lol |
| 05:55.47 | nipplesrulz | what is another secure way to share files with a select group of ppl mostly running windows |
| 05:55.51 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, i have no idea...tha'ts why i'm here |
| 05:55.54 | Solet-deb | Bac9: i dont see how that makes me right but sure i'll take credit for it :P |
| 05:55.58 | furrywolf | ftp is not secure. |
| 05:55.58 | Bac9 | peterS: yep, it took me a while for that to sink in, sorry |
| 05:56.00 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, i've done this before and i haven't had a problem |
| 05:56.07 | furrywolf | install one of the many windows sftp clients and use sftp |
| 05:56.11 | jasoncohen | the id_rsa keys look identical in format |
| 05:56.12 | Subvertir | Yeah so have I |
| 05:56.22 | peterS | Bac9: think of it this way: the kernel has to know which IP address a packet came to *anyway*, so it can handle broadcast packets separately from normal ones |
| 05:56.24 | Bac9 | Solet-deb: it makes you right because I am sleepy and don't know what I am saying |
| 05:56.25 | Subvertir | which is why I'm thinking 'wtf!' right now |
| 05:56.37 | Solet-deb | Bac9: cool, that works |
| 05:56.50 | glick | can i make mutt use the same inbox as kmail? |
| 05:56.55 | nipplesrulz | why isnt ftp secure and which sftp to use |
| 05:57.02 | nipplesrulz | or is it just apt-get install sftp |
| 05:57.03 | bob2 | kmail does weird shit to maildirs |
| 05:57.09 | bob2 | nipplesrulz: it's part of the ssh package |
| 05:57.09 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, lol, that error is meaningless |
| 05:57.18 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, i get the same error on the desktop and it works fine there |
| 05:57.24 | nipplesrulz | oic |
| 05:57.25 | furrywolf | sftp is part of ssh on debian, and you likely already have it. |
| 05:57.25 | Bac9 | peterS: I am just surprised because I haven't read anywhere that ipv4 can actually support pultiple ips per interface nor that an interface is not always 1:1 with a nic |
| 05:57.28 | Subvertir | jasoncohen, try forcing ssh mode 1? |
| 05:57.29 | jasoncohen | point your attention to the bottom |
| 05:57.30 | furrywolf | now bbl, I need sleep. |
| 05:57.32 | nipplesrulz | then i can just do a man sftp then? |
| 05:57.33 | glick | bob2, why is that? |
| 05:57.33 | jasoncohen | that's where the error is occuring |
| 05:57.38 | nipplesrulz | or google it somewhere? |
| 05:57.38 | bob2 | glick: I don't know |
| 05:57.48 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, why mode 1? |
| 05:57.56 | nipplesrulz | i just wanna set up users that can dl but limited to a directory no other rights |
| 05:58.00 | peterS | Bac9: as for interfaces <=> nics, a hack is to treat eth0:0, eth0:1, eth0:2, etc. as separate interfaces. this works with normal /etc/network/interfaces and ifconfig syntax |
| 05:58.01 | Solet-deb | anyone know what package has character definitions so i can get rid of the goofy ass box things that show up if a page has a 'special char' on it? |
| 05:58.06 | Subvertir | I'm looking at the 'debug1' errors (which I assume corresponds to ssh version 1) and they look fine |
| 05:58.07 | nipplesrulz | and limit them to total dled about |
| 05:58.10 | Subvertir | debug2 is failing |
| 05:58.12 | glick | what email client do you use? |
| 05:58.16 | Subvertir | it's really a shot in the dark |
| 05:58.23 | bob2 | glick: mutt |
| 05:58.34 | peterS | Bac9: putting multiple IPs on a single interface is something you can't do with ifconfig, which is why I recommended installing iproute |
| 05:58.45 | simonrvn | no, differing debug levels. not ssh version |
| 05:58.51 | nipplesrulz | ifconfig sux |
| 05:59.00 | nipplesrulz | dam thing wraps all the time on me |
| 05:59.00 | bob2 | iproute 4 eva |
| 05:59.01 | jasoncohen | Subvertir, http://pastebin.ca/12404 |
| 05:59.09 | Subvertir | 'we did not send a packet' |
| 05:59.13 | bob2 | nipplesrulz: duh, get a 64-bit machine then, or use iptraf |
| 05:59.16 | Bac9 | peterS: oh so iproute actually alows you to have multiple ips per interface? I know ipv6 allows it and so does ifconfig for ipv6 |
| 05:59.19 | nipplesrulz | yeah |
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| 05:59.28 | jasoncohen | that's the output on my desktop where it works. notice how t says PEM_read_PrivateKey failed |
| 05:59.38 | peterS | Bac9: yeah. try it some time. 'ip addr add 11.22.33.44/24 dev eth0' |
| 05:59.41 | nipplesrulz | bob2 if i run iptraf and ntop which is more correct if the readings differ |
| 05:59.51 | peterS | Bac9: then 'ip addr show dev eth0' |
| 05:59.55 | bob2 | nipplesrulz: I don't know, they shouldn't differ at all |
| 05:59.56 | jasoncohen | i don't see that on my laptop..it's like it doesn't realize it's encrypted and it fails because it never asks to decrypt it |
| 06:00.03 | nipplesrulz | oh ok thanx man |
| 06:00.08 | simonrvn | or ip addr sh eth0 ;) |
| 06:00.10 | nipplesrulz | is there a way to grep em to a log? |
| 06:00.12 | bob2 | ip is so amazingly awesome, more people should know about it |
| 06:00.16 | nipplesrulz | yeah |
| 06:00.17 | Bac9 | peterS: so it'll not show up in a regular ifconfig to just see multiple ipv4 ips? |
| 06:00.22 | jm_ | it's also seriously undocumented |
| 06:00.24 | peterS | simonrvn: or ip a s eth0 |
| 06:00.26 | Subvertir | http://sunportal.sunmanagers.org/pipermail/summaries/2003-June/004025.html |
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| 06:00.30 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 06:00.33 | nipplesrulz | it has a logging option but it seems that it only actually logs when its shut down or something> |
| 06:00.35 | Subvertir | same behavior, no fix =( |
| 06:00.36 | peterS | Bac9: ifconfig doesn't know about multiple ipv4 addresses per interface, so no |
| 06:00.58 | Bac9 | peterS: thanx for the info |
| 06:01.05 | bob2 | jm_: hey, it has a bnf grammar |
| 06:01.09 | bob2 | jm_: what more do you want! |
| 06:01.12 | glick | why use mutt over like evolution or kmail or somethin? |
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| 06:01.25 | simonrvn | behaves like quagga. in quagga i can do something like sh run, or con t, or similar things, and it doesn't get confused |
| 06:01.30 | peterS | glick: for one thing, because mutt doesn't require a GUI |
| 06:01.34 | jm_ | bob2: heh |
| 06:01.47 | bob2 | glick: handles lists rather well |
| 06:01.51 | peterS | simonrvn: both programs got the behavior from cisco ios, I believe |
| 06:01.54 | simonrvn | exactly. once you get that, it gets easy |
| 06:01.55 | bob2 | glick: quick and easy to use, easy to configure |
| 06:01.57 | simonrvn | they do |
| 06:02.14 | glick | bob2, what about attachments and encryption and all that jazz |
| 06:02.24 | bob2 | glick: handles them well too |
| 06:02.24 | stouset | glick: Because 90% of people are crazy :-) |
| 06:02.25 | peterS | glick: very well supported by mutt |
| 06:02.47 | bob2 | glick: for text/html, it displays them inline, for others it starts helper programs |
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| 06:02.59 | jm_ | it also supports urlview for that |
| 06:03.00 | glick | i wish they had a program like kontact that wasnt as resource heavy |
| 06:03.09 | jm_ | tried abook? |
| 06:03.26 | bob2 | I wonder how hard syncing a palm with abook and my phone will be |
| 06:03.27 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 06:03.32 | bob2 | probably a massive pain in the arse |
| 06:03.38 | stouset | glick: Use Evolution. It's not all that heavy, and works very well. |
| 06:03.39 | simonrvn | MPITA |
| 06:04.16 | bob2 | glick: the other reason I use mutt is that it just does normal maildirs, so I can use offlineimap to sync my mail |
| 06:04.27 | bob2 | glick: evolution/kmail/etc seem to want to add random crap to them |
| 06:04.35 | glick | i see |
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| 06:05.23 | bob2 | plus I've used it so long I use it without thinking...if I try to conciously type the "change folder", I always get it wrong |
| 06:06.11 | bob2 | well, c?<tab> |
| 06:06.15 | bob2 | I think |
| 06:06.27 | glick | but i can use kmail and mutt together if i use IMAP right? |
| 06:06.35 | peterS | which is not to say mutt doesn't have limitations. only supporting one open folder, and being entirely synchronous w/r/t composing and reading mail, are disadvantages |
| 06:06.36 | bob2 | sure |
| 06:06.41 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yeah... here I usually end up just typing in the folder, because I usually know where it is |
| 06:06.48 | peterS | both can be worked around by running multiple instances, which fortunately is pretty lightweight |
| 06:07.02 | jm_ | and it's also slow on mailboxes/folders with lots of mail |
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| 06:07.07 | nunez | whats the command to check how many lines is in a file? |
| 06:07.11 | peterS | nunez: wc |
| 06:07.11 | bob2 | jm_: with header cache it's ok |
| 06:07.12 | dondelelcaro | nunez: wc -l |
| 06:07.14 | glick | jm_, whats slow? |
| 06:07.16 | nunez | thanks |
| 06:07.18 | dondelelcaro | peterS: although, the composition part isn't so bad because you can postpone it |
| 06:07.22 | jm_ | bob2: is that in mutt-ng? |
| 06:07.25 | bob2 | the really annoying slowdown is when a large folder changes under mutt |
| 06:07.31 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 06:07.35 | peterS | nunez: I used to think it was blazing fast, because I migrated from emacs vm to mutt |
| 06:07.36 | bob2 | then it takes minutes looking it over again |
| 06:07.40 | bob2 | far longer than it took to load |
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| 06:08.02 | bob2 | jm_: it is, and it's in the ubuntu mutt package. it was in debian's, but the maintainer disabled it again. |
| 06:08.04 | nunez | 6402800 audit/Wordlists/master |
| 06:08.05 | nunez | lol |
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| 06:08.16 | dondelelcaro | if your mailbox is *THAT* big, it's time to use archivemail and slit stuff out |
| 06:08.45 | bob2 | yeah, I do, fortnightly |
| 06:08.51 | bob2 | but a fortnight of lkml is thousands of messages |
| 06:08.58 | jm_ | glick: mutt - it's OK for normal stuff, but once you have like several thousand mails in folders/mailboxes, it's really slow because it always reads everything (but see above what bob2 said) |
| 06:09.03 | timt | noob question: when I load startx it says something about my mouse and wont start ?? |
| 06:09.04 | dondelelcaro | you actually read lkml? |
| 06:09.06 | dondelelcaro | yeesh |
| 06:09.16 | bob2 | well, subsrcibe and skim |
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| 06:09.53 | bob2 | but, yeah, mutt is like irssi to me know...so used to it that I'm far far too lazy to switch |
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| 06:10.05 | jm_ | it's not, but my trash gets very big over months, and then I archive it, but even then I have no problems with sylpheed because it has a cache |
| 06:10.14 | dondelelcaro | I would consider switching if there was actually something better... but there doesn't appear to be |
| 06:10.23 | dondelelcaro | I considered gnus for a while, but that's not all that great |
| 06:10.29 | Solet-deb | how do i access my linux machine from a windows machine on the same network? |
| 06:10.35 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: with putty |
| 06:10.53 | Solet-deb | dondelelcaro: ??? |
| 06:10.57 | pureone | winscp can be handy aswell |
| 06:11.01 | bob2 | the learning curve for gnus seems very very steep, too |
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| 06:11.15 | dondelelcaro | eh, steep learning curves don't bother me any more |
| 06:11.20 | timt | solet-deb: use putty to ssh into your box or telnet |
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| 06:11.40 | bob2 | well, having to write elisp to read my mail is too much effort for just trying it out |
| 06:11.49 | dondelelcaro | although, steep learning curves with shitty documentation are not my thing |
| 06:12.12 | dondelelcaro | (if I have to open up the source for minor things... there's a problem) |
| 06:12.37 | Solet-deb | eek... i'm just talking about making 'shared folders' as windows would call them... i dont know what debian calls them or how to 'share' them |
| 06:12.48 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: just use samba |
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| 06:13.02 | bob2 | Solet-deb: install samba, and then the machine should magically appear in "my network" or whatever |
| 06:13.23 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: and in the future, the more precise and complete your question, the more likely we are to give you the answer you're actually looking for. |
| 06:13.36 | peterS | dondelelcaro: yeah I tried gnus long ago. lots of little things I didn't like about it, and it wasn't faster than vm, so I stuck with vm. later I moved off the elisp email platform idea entirely, so. |
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| 06:14.12 | mwilson | http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2005-05-17-004-26-OP-MR |
| 06:14.33 | Solet-deb | dondelelcaro: i know... i try.. but my brain is rather dead atm... (it usually is by this time of night ) |
| 06:14.35 | mwilson | Gods but the average Linux user is a moron. |
| 06:14.40 | timt | noob question: how do I install a mouse from the command line?? apparently I cant start X because this device is missing?? help please. |
| 06:14.58 | mwilson | Sad, really. |
| 06:15.12 | bob2 | timt: ok, no one can help with that question |
| 06:15.19 | bob2 | timt: and asking you for more information is annoying |
| 06:15.35 | Solet-deb | mwilson: but still the average linux user is prolly 50 iq pts higher than the average Micro$oft user |
| 06:15.41 | bob2 | timt: so, you tell us what the error is, and offer to paste your whole X log file (/var/log/XFree86.0.log) to #flood or to a website somewhere |
| 06:15.51 | mwilson | Solet-deb: Actually, the reverse is probably true. |
| 06:15.57 | jetscreamer | it's humor, isn't it, mwilson? |
| 06:15.59 | timt | bob2: sorry dont know who you are, I dont believe Ive asked you for help before |
| 06:16.02 | Solet-deb | wtf? no way...; |
| 06:16.22 | simonrvn | wtf... so how is this a linux and windoze comparison if s/he's trying openbsd... |
| 06:16.22 | mwilson | jetscreamer: Yes, it is. And it's *obvious* that it is. Now, read the comments to the article. |
| 06:16.26 | Solet-deb | i dont know very many dumb linux users.... but everyone and there dog owns a windows machine |
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| 06:16.37 | dondelelcaro | "After my intensive testing of one install of OpenBSD, I can conclude without a doubt that Linux is not ready for the desktop. Maybe if they added some blush or other cosmetics, it might fare better." |
| 06:16.49 | bob2 | timt: this is how #debian generally works... |
| 06:16.56 | jetscreamer | ah ok haven't gotten there |
| 06:16.57 | simonrvn | fucking brain dead... |
| 06:17.04 | bob2 | timt: you're asking for help, so you need to provide enough details so people can help you |
| 06:17.10 | mwilson | Note the incredible stupidity shown. |
| 06:17.13 | Phated | There's -blush- now? What happened to good old lipstick? |
| 06:17.25 | dondelelcaro | Phated: uh... they're totally different |
| 06:17.27 | mwilson | simonrvn: It's *satire*. |
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| 06:17.39 | Solet-deb | Phated: blush has been around longer than lipstick |
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| 06:17.46 | simonrvn | yeh i realised after reading the 2nd paragraph |
| 06:17.48 | mwilson | simonrvn: And the comments are more humorous than the article. |
| 06:17.50 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Lipstick functions perfectly well without blush, y'know. |
| 06:17.58 | bob2 | bah |
| 06:18.02 | dondelelcaro | Phated: sure, it's great for labeling things... but... |
| 06:18.07 | Phated | Hah. |
| 06:18.18 | Solet-deb | it was a pinkish colored wax that was finly ground, then rubbed on the cheaks to put color back in the face because the corset cut off circulation |
| 06:18.32 | dondelelcaro | it predates corsets, actually. |
| 06:18.37 | Phated | Probably. |
| 06:18.46 | Solet-deb | blush does? really... wow |
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| 06:20.06 | Solet-deb | if i apt-get upgrade is there a way i can choose which packages i dont want upgraded? (for example the acx100 driver) |
| 06:20.07 | doleyb | there is blush from 5500 yrs ago |
| 06:20.24 | bob2 | Solet-deb: /msg dpkg hold |
| 06:20.34 | bob2 | Solet-deb: upgrading acx100-source won't actually do anything, though |
| 06:20.48 | mwilson | Why do people use unstable, but don't bother learning how the tools work? |
| 06:20.57 | Solet-deb | hrm... good point, and they dont distribute the compiled thing... |
| 06:21.20 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: what's the fun in that? |
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| 06:22.07 | bob2 | so, is NTLM a broken auth protocol? aside from it's proprietariness. |
| 06:22.09 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Personally, I think Debian should make an official statement that unstable is unsupported. |
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| 06:22.27 | mwilson | bob2: <shrug> It seems to work. |
| 06:22.33 | dondelelcaro | uh, considering that we only "support" stable, we pretty much have |
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| 06:23.03 | dondelelcaro | plus, such an announcement wouldn't do anything to forestall the demographic in question anyway... |
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| 06:23.09 | cheal | I compiled a kernel, and forgot to set a driver I need to M instead of N. is there a way to compile this module now without recompiling my entire kernel? I used make-kpkg kernel_image. the module is not an add-on. |
| 06:23.31 | peterS | bob2: it's based on MD4 hashes, which are ridiculously weak, but that's not a problem per se because the hashes are not sent in cleartext anyway |
| 06:23.34 | bob2 | timt: I didn't mean to be rude or patronising before, I was trying to get enough information out of you so I could answer your X question |
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| 06:23.41 | bob2 | peterS: hmm |
| 06:23.42 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Oh, no, every time you turn around, person (A) is telling person (B) to install unstable, d-i apparently allows you to install unstable, morons routinely get walked through moving to unstable, etc. |
| 06:23.44 | icyfire0573 | cheal, go into the kernel source make it a module then make modules make modules_install |
| 06:24.02 | icyfire0573 | cheal, thats only for 2.6 series kernels |
| 06:24.10 | bob2 | peterS: guess there are simpler attack vectors on an all-windows network, anyway |
| 06:24.15 | peterS | heh |
| 06:24.16 | mwilson | icyfire0573: How is that any sort of answer to the question he asked? |
| 06:24.43 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: *shrug* I don't, and people in the know don't. The documentation makes it clear as day... and there's really little that can be done about random people's recommendations. |
| 06:24.46 | mwilson | icyfire0573: You see, I actually *read* what he said. You should try it sometime. |
| 06:25.12 | TwistedEmotions | Check this out... new processors http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/ps3/cellsony.jpg called G4 processors... up to 6gighrtz... will be in PS3's I think... and a crazy screen shot from PS3 (madden 2006 or nfl 2006 or some shit like that ).. http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/ps3/madd.jpg |
| 06:25.16 | peterS | bob2: in fact Microsoft treat the MD4 hashes as plaintext-equivalent - they're kind of like rot13 - good enough to obscure a password from casual eyes but otherwise treated as the real password. (you don't even need the original password to log into an NT network, just the MD4) |
| 06:25.26 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: no real point in even worying about it |
| 06:25.55 | cheal | icyfire0573: I'm using 2.6, but I used make-kpkg to compile a kernel...and I'm not familiar with just make. could you tell me what this would do basically? will it also create a debian package or what? |
| 06:25.57 | bob2 | peterS: ah, interesting |
| 06:26.04 | peterS | simonrvn: 500 years ago 'horn' was a common euphemism for 'penis'. hence the term 'horny'.... |
| 06:26.20 | jetscreamer | damn, those comments go on and on and on.... |
| 06:26.20 | peterS | so I wonder what 'longhorn' was really supposed to signify |
| 06:26.20 | mwilson | simonrvn: Linux is already simple to *use*, and has been for a long time. What the morons want is a brain-dead installer... which I have zero sympathy for. |
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| 06:26.29 | bob2 | "the trousers conceal a tiny secondary horn" |
| 06:26.32 | bob2 | I love futurama |
| 06:26.51 | mwilson | cheal: Ignore him. He couldn't be bothered to read your original question. |
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| 06:27.19 | dondelelcaro | cheal: it's not trivially possible to just rebuild the kernel based on what is already built. |
| 06:27.29 | icyfire0573 | cheal, i dont know the specifics of make-kpkg, but assuming its similar to make (save it builds the .deb or whatever) it should just add the module, i only use make myself |
| 06:27.32 | Fuzz | anyone installed 3.0 R5 on a Sparc ? |
| 06:27.37 | icyfire0573 | mwilson, im pretty sure i read his first question right |
| 06:27.37 | simonrvn | mwilson: yeh exactly. actually d-i comes close to that, though it doesn't fuck up anything. however, that said, if you go out of the narrow niche it was written for, then it starts misbehaving (like a separate /boot partition e.g.) |
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| 06:27.57 | dondelelcaro | cheal: just reissuing the make-kpkg kernel-image; command will do the right thing |
| 06:28.09 | peterS | bob2: anyway, on your original question - I *think* NTLM is considered secure, but I don't remember for sure. Microsoft rolled out NTLMv2 with, I believe, Windows 2000. they might have done this because of crypto weaknesses in NTLMv1 |
| 06:28.16 | bob2 | Fuzz: #sparc might be a better place to ask |
| 06:28.18 | timt | error message: "XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured mouse" , could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list." " xf86Openserial: cannot open device /dev/input/mice , no such device" ?? |
| 06:28.22 | cheal | mwilson: ok, thanks for warning me |
| 06:28.26 | Fuzz | ok thanks bob2 |
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| 06:28.44 | peterS | timt: those two messages are harmless |
| 06:28.44 | jetscreamer | modprobe mousedev timt |
| 06:28.51 | bob2 | peterS: ahhh, ok. just trying to decide if I care enough to convince these people to mvoe to something useful |
| 06:28.52 | jetscreamer | or nevermind |
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| 06:30.09 | Coke | bob2: people can be convinced? |
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| 06:30.17 | simonrvn | mwilson: i agree. linux was soon usable to me. just some basic *nix commands, and that starts the ball rolling. i couldn't imagine doing what i do now in say mac os 9... |
| 06:30.17 | bob2 | hah |
| 06:30.21 | bob2 | to try to convince then |
| 06:30.26 | peterS | bob2: one problem with NTLM is that the server has to store an MD4 password, with no salt. as opposed to unix crypt with md5 or what have you. so the server has to store something which is almost as weak (these days) as plain text. whether this can be considered a weakness depends on how much you trust your server to keep secure things secure |
| 06:30.30 | timt | jetscreamer: Can't locate module mousedev ?? |
| 06:30.44 | cheal | dondelelcaro: ok, I don't really want to rebuild the kernel itself, just add a module. I still have the source tree BTW...does that make a difference? otherwise, I'll rebuild it. |
| 06:30.56 | jetscreamer | timt: do what peterS said |
| 06:30.59 | bob2 | peterS: hm, the servers holding account info are supposed to be secure, but they seem to be run by monkeys |
| 06:31.01 | Zipcat | Even with my runlevel set to 1 when I restart I gdm still loads and I wind up in Gnome Desktop Manager... how can I temporarily startup without Gnome DeskTop Manager and just at a Console prompt? |
| 06:31.12 | peterS | bob2: well, I mean the server has to store either an md4 hash, or plain text itself, of course |
| 06:31.18 | mwilson | Zipcat: What was changing the run level supposed to do? |
| 06:31.19 | Coke | bob2: you have my vote. pity it does not matter. :) |
| 06:31.32 | dondelelcaro | cheal: well, you can just reissue the make to build the module, and manually install it. However, you won't be making the .deb |
| 06:31.35 | bob2 | Zipcat: no, booting to level 1 will get you a console with no running services |
| 06:31.48 | glick | hey crontab will run all yur entries even when your not logged in right? |
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| 06:31.53 | dondelelcaro | glick: yes. |
| 06:32.02 | bob2 | Zipcat: 2-5 will get you gdm. if you don't want it to start in some random run level, sudo rm /etc/rcX.d/S*gdm |
| 06:32.12 | prodope | is there a proper way for me to remove/disable inetd for good without hurting dependencies like samba/etc |
| 06:32.12 | Zipcat | mwilson: yeh I'm trying to be at that lvl with no gdm running / xserver to reinstall nvidia driver |
| 06:32.31 | bob2 | prodope: sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/S*inetd |
| 06:32.47 | Coke | Zipcat: run level 1 is single user mode by default in Debian |
| 06:32.58 | jetscreamer | backup /etc/X11/default-display-manager , then use an editor and empty it out |
| 06:33.05 | jetscreamer | that will sto gdm |
| 06:33.07 | jetscreamer | stop |
| 06:33.17 | Zipcat | ok I'll try again with run lvl one |
| 06:33.20 | prodope | bob2: thanks |
| 06:33.26 | Coke | hm. I haven't tried level 1 in Debian. Ever. |
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| 06:33.41 | cheal | Zipcat: are you sure /etc/init.d/gdm stop isn't all you need? |
| 06:33.43 | mwilson | Zipcat: Why would you try again with run level one, rather than trying again with the CORRECT answer you were given? |
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| 06:34.26 | Coke | I find runlevel 0 exhilirating and liberating. |
| 06:34.32 | Coke | It's my favourite. |
| 06:34.34 | glick | how can i tell if the cron daemon is runnin on my system? |
| 06:34.36 | Zipcat | mwilson: ok I'l do the /etc/init.d/gdm stop then thanks |
| 06:34.39 | jetscreamer | top? |
| 06:34.40 | prodope | bob2: rm: cannot remove `/etc/rc2.d/S*inetd': No such file or directory |
| 06:34.43 | Coke | glick: ps -A | grep cron |
| 06:34.55 | Coke | glick: man ps |
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| 06:35.00 | bob2 | prodope: then it's not starting anyway |
| 06:35.02 | Guerin | grr, why do I have drwx------ 2 root root 4096 2005-05-23 08:45 .aptitude in my home? shouldn't it be owned by me? |
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| 06:35.27 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: sudo aptitude; maybe? |
| 06:35.35 | simonrvn | yes, sudo |
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| 06:35.47 | Coke | use -H |
| 06:35.57 | dondelelcaro | blech |
| 06:36.20 | Coke | Guerin: you need that flag for all programs that uses $HOME |
| 06:36.24 | glick | is cron usually runnin on a default debian system? |
| 06:36.29 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:36.33 | dondelelcaro | glick: there's no such thing. |
| 06:36.40 | cheal | dondelelcaro: I didn't issue just a "make" and don't know that stuff. do you think I should try what you say and probably have to learn the normal way to build a kernel, or just recompile the kernel (this takes me half an hour)? |
| 06:36.47 | Coke | Guerin: or always_set_home in sudoers (man sudoers) |
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| 06:36.57 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah, normally. can I safely chown it so it doesn't throw errors when I use aptitude search as a user? |
| 06:36.59 | Zipcat | thanks guys :) |
| 06:37.03 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yerp. |
| 06:37.08 | Guerin | sweet |
| 06:37.15 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: if you ran just aptitude; first, it would have worked fine |
| 06:37.35 | jetscreamer | aptitude is suid? |
| 06:37.41 | Coke | How come people with limited knowledge on a subject will always tell you what they want to do rather than what they want to achieve? |
| 06:37.42 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: no. |
| 06:37.48 | jetscreamer | o |
| 06:37.55 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: i see. |
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| 06:38.35 | dondelelcaro | glick: cron is Priority: important, so it's usually installed, but it's not required by any stretch of the imagination |
| 06:38.47 | Coke | cheal: what hardware are you on? |
| 06:38.58 | mwilson | Coke: Stupid people have already decided on the solution to their problem, they just have no clue how to implement it. So they whine, and someone spoon-feeds them how to do their "solution", and it doesn't work, so they pick another solution... lather, rinse, repeat. |
| 06:39.03 | cheal | Coke: k7...I need to add forcedeth module |
| 06:39.31 | mwilson | Coke: Meanwhile, people with a clue never know the actual problem, so they can never propose a *correct* solution to the actual problem. |
| 06:40.19 | cahoot | so they end up making sarcastic comments? |
| 06:40.46 | Coke | cheal: compiling the kernel takes 30 minutes? |
| 06:41.00 | Coke | cahoot: indeed we do! :) |
| 06:41.09 | cheal | Coke: Barton 2500+...what do you think it should take? |
| 06:41.12 | jetscreamer | good job on the rw-vfat factoid dondelelcaro |
| 06:41.13 | peterS | cahoot: yeah, that's their way of showing that they can contribute productively if only they wanted to |
| 06:41.19 | Coke | cheal: I dunno. Five minutes? |
| 06:41.22 | simonrvn | cahoot: basically |
| 06:41.51 | Coke | cheal: I have an XP 3200+, it takes less than five minutes. |
| 06:41.57 | cheal | Coke: five minutes??? ur... |
| 06:42.06 | Coke | cheal: but I guess it would also depend on the speed of your MB, memory and disk. |
| 06:42.19 | jetscreamer | !dondelelcaro++ |
| 06:42.25 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: Gothtec did that one, actually... I just linked rw-vfat to vfatrw |
| 06:42.33 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:42.37 | Coke | cheal: what kernel version? I don't think the build scripts in 2.4 and 2.6 will rebuild the entire kernel if you add one dynamic module to it. |
| 06:42.54 | jetscreamer | !Gothtec++ |
| 06:42.59 | simonrvn | it'll rebuild what's needed to rebuild. nothing more |
| 06:43.02 | cheal | Coke: yeah, when I check top, XFree86 is usually at top. I couldn't really believe it, but it looks like disk is by far the bottleneck. I'm compiling 2.6.11.10 |
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| 06:43.33 | cheal | oh...cool! |
| 06:43.36 | mwilson | Coke: 2.4's scripts aren't smart enough to and NEVER will, even though you often should. 2.6's dependency handling works much better. |
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| 06:44.49 | cheal | do I run make-kpkg clean? |
| 06:45.43 | simonrvn | g'night all |
| 06:45.51 | glick | can i make it so cron does not send me an email everytime it does a job? |
| 06:46.11 | tarzeau | is there some program to rotate pdf documents in batch mode ? |
| 06:46.19 | simonrvn | erm s/ego/$/ |
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| 06:47.37 | jetscreamer | glick: you told it to |
| 06:47.44 | jetscreamer | when you installed |
| 06:48.12 | glick | jetscreamer, hmm crond isnt runnin on my system |
| 06:48.17 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: pdftoedit should do it |
| 06:48.18 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 06:48.34 | kullanici | drwxr-x--- 14 host (?) 4096 May 18 09:09 public_html |
| 06:48.39 | kullanici | what's (?) mean ? |
| 06:48.43 | glick | jetscreamer, i didnt tell it anything during installation |
| 06:48.45 | jetscreamer | i can trust you, right? |
| 06:48.54 | jetscreamer | you wouldn't lie to me would you? |
| 06:49.02 | kullanici | jetscreamer, :) |
| 06:49.30 | jetscreamer | all i know is when i set up exim4 the last install, it asked who i wanted the messages sent to |
| 06:49.45 | jetscreamer | or was it exim i forget |
| 06:50.53 | glick | oooh |
| 06:50.56 | icyfire0573 | I think that you only get emails from cron jobs that generate output, so if you manage to direct all output from either std output, or stderr to /dev/null it won't send you any email about it |
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| 06:52.07 | jetscreamer | man 5 cron, it's near the top |
| 06:52.24 | jetscreamer | line 49 or so |
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| 06:58.33 | tra1a1a | is there a debian package for the ati drivers similar to the nvidia package? |
| 06:59.03 | Subvertir | Not that I'm aware of. In my opinion, in either case, it's a lot easier (for me) to just use the installers provided by them. |
| 06:59.05 | streuner | !tell tra1a1a about ati |
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| 06:59.22 | tra1a1a | streuner: thanks |
| 06:59.32 | bluefox83 | does anyone know if you can hook a ps2 to a flat panel monitor? |
| 06:59.54 | mwilson | bluefox83: Does a PS2 have a VGA output? |
| 07:00.03 | jbmigel | bluefox you will need an adapter |
| 07:00.07 | tra1a1a | Subvertir: I like to make the things in the debian way |
| 07:00.11 | bluefox83 | mwilson, uhm..i believe so... |
| 07:00.34 | mwilson | bluefox83: Then you already know the answer to your question, don't you? |
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| 07:00.52 | bluefox83 | jbmigel, what kind of adapter? i'd like to buy one ^_^ |
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| 07:01.10 | jbmigel | bluefox83 go here and give them money http://www.gocybershop.ca/customer/home.php?cat=196 |
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| 07:02.32 | mwilson | PB == powerbook |
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| 07:02.40 | mwilson | ack |
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| 07:03.34 | jbmigel | anyone know of howto install x86_64 without any disks? I have no cd's left and want to play tonight |
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| 07:07.03 | Solet-deb | with samba where do i go to add users/passwords? |
| 07:07.12 | Solet-deb | or is there a wizard (i hope) to do this? |
| 07:07.29 | jm_ | man smbpasswd |
| 07:07.30 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 07:07.30 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 07:08.13 | jbmigel | i have a usb key? and a 32bit debian disk |
| 07:08.23 | doleyb | isn't it possible to run debbootstrap from ontop of another kind of linux? |
| 07:08.28 | dondelelcaro | jbmigel: you can use the usb key images if your machine will boot from a usbkey |
| 07:08.35 | Solet-deb | streuner: that would be a fun machine :P |
| 07:08.36 | jbmigel | this is what im talking about |
| 07:08.44 | streuner | !tell jbmigel about ig |
| 07:09.08 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: check webmin or swat |
| 07:09.13 | jbmigel | what are you kidding me streuner |
| 07:09.22 | streuner | no |
| 07:09.26 | streuner | read that first |
| 07:09.40 | streuner | it doesn't hurd (TM) |
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| 07:10.31 | jbmigel | streuner your link has no x86_64 manual |
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| 07:10.55 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: huh? |
| 07:11.09 | streuner | jbmigel: the install process isn't that much different |
| 07:11.14 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: samba configurators |
| 07:11.34 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: which one is easier to use? |
| 07:11.34 | streuner | jbmigel: you will need another iso for amd64 |
| 07:11.43 | dondelelcaro | jbmigel: http://amd64.debian.net/ |
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| 07:12.30 | streuner | !tell jbmigel about amd64 |
| 07:12.41 | jaysin | heys guys, i have a question to ask... |
| 07:12.45 | jaysin | heya* |
| 07:12.55 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: both are easy. however swat is a samba only configurator while webmin is a kind of plugin based configurator that can do a lot of other things as well |
| 07:12.59 | jaysin | can anyone help me get limewire to run? |
| 07:13.28 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: installing webmin now |
| 07:13.34 | liable | !webmin |
| 07:13.35 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 07:13.36 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: apt-cache show swat; apt-cache show webmin for more info |
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| 07:14.01 | Subvertir | On an exposed server is the keyword |
| 07:14.37 | jbmigel | doleyb thanks this remote installation may work! like 64 bits from scratch! |
| 07:14.42 | abydos | Running webmin without forwarding 10000 (or whatever port you use it on) is perfectly okay. |
| 07:14.45 | Subvertir | There are a *few* features found in webmin that I liked (I can't remember which), and you can add/remove plugins |
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| 07:15.16 | doleyb | jbmigel: only if you enjoy fixing things, i assume you already have some 32 bit installer cds for when it breaks. |
| 07:15.34 | tra1a1a | if you are responsible for a server and you don't know better than using any gui configurators you are most probably going to "shove table knives into live electrical outlets" anyway |
| 07:15.36 | jbmigel | ya im just wanting to play so this will help! |
| 07:15.37 | crudpuppy | I'm new to debian and I keep getting "Ifnoring unknow interface eth0=eth0 |
| 07:15.41 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: i installed webmin but it wont let me run it from terminal and it isnt in my app menu on the desktop |
| 07:16.05 | TwistedEmotions | It's a usefull tool... my advice.. install it... close ports to it... whenever you need to access it... ssh... open ports.. login using webmin... change whatever.. close ports.. and your good to go. |
| 07:16.07 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: read a bit now |
| 07:16.14 | doleyb | Solet-deb: what is your ip address, i will run it for you. |
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| 07:17.20 | crudpuppy | hmmm...a quite a few ppl usin ipv6 |
| 07:17.23 | TwistedEmotions | Solet-deb: make sure you hav enough access.. sudo/root. Also make sure it's already not running http;//localhost:10000 |
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| 07:17.40 | TwistedEmotions | https://localhost:10000 |
| 07:18.32 | crudpuppy | I keep getting "Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0" when trying to do a ifup eth0....any ideas....I dont have a clue what I should REALLY have in interfaces |
| 07:18.46 | jasoncohen | i want to start vnc on bootup and since there are no init scripts i figured i would put it in rc.local...but there is no rc.local in debian. So, where would i put it in debian? |
| 07:19.08 | TwistedEmotions | Solet-deb: ^^ I think thats the correct setting... if you are SSH'ing into the box then try accessing with links... wont let you see the website but should allow you to see something that tells you it is running. |
| 07:19.28 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: viewer or server? |
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| 07:19.32 | jasoncohen | server |
| 07:19.36 | Solet-deb | twisted: thx workin on it now |
| 07:19.40 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: why? |
| 07:19.44 | TwistedEmotions | Solet-deb: sure. |
| 07:19.49 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, i want to run one vnc4server and one x11vnc server |
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| 07:20.08 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, the box is for mythtv meaning i can't use the screen |
| 07:20.26 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: you know then that your computer will be extremely unsecure right? |
| 07:20.33 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, vnc gives me a second screen to use and x11vnc allows me to restart mythfrontend w/o a mouse |
| 07:20.39 | TwistedEmotions | ohhhh.. |
| 07:20.40 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
| 07:20.46 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, this is all behind a firewall |
| 07:20.54 | TwistedEmotions | right right... |
| 07:21.02 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, the only ports open are SSH & OpenVPN |
| 07:21.17 | jasoncohen | even mythweb must be tunneled over VPN |
| 07:21.35 | jasoncohen | so, where do i put the commands? |
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| 07:21.47 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: #flood |
| 07:21.51 | jasoncohen | someone told me before but i forgot |
| 07:22.00 | jasoncohen | lol, no. i mean what file should i use |
| 07:22.16 | TwistedEmotions | jason.. I know. |
| 07:22.17 | jasoncohen | in RH/Mandrake you can put commands in /etc/rc.local to run on boot |
| 07:22.25 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: go to #flood |
| 07:22.27 | jasoncohen | ok |
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| 07:24.09 | Coke | jasoncohen: no, they use the same system as Debian |
| 07:24.14 | Solet-deb | ok i give up with webmin... its fuckin retarded... i added the user and it didnt work... when i tried to connect from another machine the dialog that popped up didnt even read correctly... |
| 07:24.25 | Coke | jasoncohen: in RH and Mandrake you add symlinks to the rcX.d directories, just like in Debian. |
| 07:24.27 | jasoncohen | Coke, but there is no /etc/rc.local in debian |
| 07:24.42 | Coke | jasoncohen: no, why should there be? |
| 07:24.46 | streuner | !rc.local |
| 07:24.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 07:25.19 | Coke | jasoncohen: I already told you, rc.local is NOT the way to do it. I also gave you instructions on how to do it correctly. |
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| 07:25.32 | jasoncohen | ok |
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| 07:25.38 | PenjejakNeraka | Hi guys |
| 07:25.45 | Solet-deb | fuck! i cant get rid of webmin... what the hell |
| 07:25.47 | PenjejakNeraka | how can i install/configure libxinerama? |
| 07:25.59 | jasoncohen | Solet-deb, um, uninstall it |
| 07:26.01 | TwistedEmotions | Solet-deb: first time you login you have to be on local machine I think.. to setup users and all that... or set it up the config file. |
| 07:26.16 | doleyb | jasoncohen: for the x11vnc server, you probably want to put that in your window manager startup things, like ~/.kde/autostart |
| 07:26.18 | Solet-deb | TwistedEmotions: i was on local machine |
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| 07:26.26 | jasoncohen | Solet-deb, anyways, if you're worried about security, webmin's default setting in debian is only to allow access by localhost |
| 07:26.36 | jasoncohen | doleyb, ok, thanks |
| 07:26.37 | Solet-deb | i just tried apt-get remove --purge webmin and it didnt kill it |
| 07:26.39 | liable | crudpuppy: look in /usr/share/doc/ifup/down/examples. does ifconfig eth0 up work? |
| 07:26.49 | Solet-deb | i'm not worried about security i'm pissed cause i cant make it work |
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| 07:26.56 | Solet-deb | and i cant even get rid of the piece of shit now |
| 07:26.59 | TwistedEmotions | Solet-deb: sudo apt-get remove --purge webmin |
| 07:27.12 | Solet-deb | why sudo |
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| 07:27.26 | Solet-deb | i'm already root in the terminal |
| 07:27.31 | liable | Solet-deb: just do it as root then |
| 07:27.32 | TwistedEmotions | or that.. |
| 07:27.35 | Coke | Solet-deb: that way you can isolate root privileges to a single command instead of the entire bash process. |
| 07:27.44 | Solet-deb | and i tried apt-get remove --purge webmin and it didnt do shit |
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| 07:28.11 | TwistedEmotions | Solet-deb: you can kill the process ps -a then kill <processid> |
| 07:28.40 | Solet-deb | it listed "fork failed: cannot allocate memory" "errors were encountered while processing: webmin" and processing was halted becasue there were too many errors |
| 07:28.56 | Solet-deb | how to i figure out what processid it is? |
| 07:29.06 | Solet-deb | oh nvm |
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| 07:29.16 | TwistedEmotions | ps -a |
| 07:29.16 | Solet-deb | i didnt read your whole line |
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| 07:30.01 | TwistedEmotions | Solet-deb: but unless you uninstall next time you reboot will pop back up I think... |
| 07:30.26 | Solet-deb | yeah it will |
| 07:30.31 | Solet-deb | but the motherfucker wont uninstall |
| 07:30.39 | TwistedEmotions | what's the error again? |
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| 07:31.07 | Solet-deb | TwistedEmotions: join #flood i'll paste it to you |
| 07:31.17 | Coke | Solet-deb: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 07:31.27 | Solet-deb | sarge |
| 07:31.59 | Coke | Solet-deb: and it was the apt-get command that got you the "fork failed" error? |
| 07:32.15 | Solet-deb | yes |
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| 07:33.00 | Coke | Solet-deb: does it give you the same error if you do it again? |
| 07:33.10 | Solet-deb | yes |
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| 07:33.58 | Coke | looks like you have run out of memory or similar |
| 07:34.38 | Solet-deb | if it had enough memory to put it there it should have enough to kill the bastard shouldnt it? |
| 07:36.05 | Coke | Solet-deb: how do you know that all it tries to do is kill it? by the looks of it it tries to fork and fork != kill. |
| 07:36.18 | cafuego | Oh dear. Someone just tried to tell me I could take a 4 port HW raid5 ata card home for AU$100 |
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| 07:38.04 | spdf | cafuego, "Seriously. I'll steal it, and you give me $100. Its flawless." |
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| 07:39.11 | Solet-deb | coke s/kill/innhilate |
| 07:39.17 | cafuego | spdf: Nono. In box, at shop... I think he misunderstood what his boss told him on the phone (I was just after an actual $100 PCI ATA card) |
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| 07:39.37 | Coke | Solet-deb: but don't you think that it also removes files and modifies the package database? |
| 07:39.46 | cafuego | spdf: The inside of the box clearly said AU$1300 though |
| 07:40.02 | Coke | Solet-deb: how much memory do you have and how much swap? |
| 07:40.04 | spdf | cafuego, Bah. You should have taken advantage of the situation :) |
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| 07:40.20 | Solet-deb | coke 256mb ram... cant remember for swap how do i check |
| 07:40.29 | cafuego | spdf: No, because I would have had to deasl with his boss demanding the card back tomorrow |
| 07:40.39 | liable | Solet-deb: top |
| 07:40.47 | Coke | Solet-deb: free |
| 07:40.51 | spdf | cafuego, Details details.. |
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| 07:41.54 | cafuego | And why the fuck is is not possible to buy a card WITHOUT a damn Sil680 controller? |
| 07:42.03 | Solet-deb | it appears i have no swap :( |
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| 07:42.49 | Coke | Solet-deb: it's nice to have a little swap so that you don't get the out of memory error. |
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| 07:43.51 | Solet-deb | how can i add swap? or is it possable? |
| 07:43.57 | liable | Solet-deb: close some stuff and try again |
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| 07:44.21 | toukitsune | Does anyone know of any resume programs for linux or does open office have a resume tool or something |
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| 07:45.20 | spdf | toukitsune, Bah, Just roll your own resume.. |
| 07:45.39 | Solet-deb | ok i killed the gnome terminal and just went to normal terminal and i think i got it |
| 07:45.46 | Solet-deb | dpkg -l shows it as gone |
| 07:45.46 | dpkg | ii shows it as gone 3.1-11.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 07:46.02 | spdf | toukitsune, There's likely a Resume template for OO somewhere.. |
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| 07:46.22 | TwistedEmotions | Solet-deb: check ps -a |
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| 07:46.32 | liable | Solet-deb: so, it removed it without errors? |
| 07:46.48 | Solet-deb | well there were errors |
| 07:46.48 | TwistedEmotions | Solet-deb: just because it doesnt show under dpkg -l doesnt mean it doesnt exist. |
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| 07:47.04 | Solet-deb | like it tried to get rid of /usr/share but it didnt cause it wasnt empty (thank god) |
| 07:47.16 | Solet-deb | same with /usr/local |
| 07:47.21 | liable | Solet-deb: thats just the docs for it |
| 07:47.40 | liable | /usr/share ^^ |
| 07:47.48 | TwistedEmotions | haha maybe you had the help files open for it numb nuts.. |
| 07:47.52 | Solet-deb | laible: but it tried to del the whole dir |
| 07:47.54 | Solet-deb | :( |
| 07:47.57 | Solet-deb | that woulda been bad |
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| 07:48.04 | liable | yes |
| 07:48.08 | silverton | anyone know when gnome 2.10 is going to be packaged for sarge? |
| 07:48.25 | TwistedEmotions | 5/29/07 |
| 07:48.27 | spdf | toukitsune, http://tinyurl.com/4k6v4 <-- Some templates there. The 'CV Template' might work out for you.. |
| 07:48.34 | silverton | TwistedEmotions, omfg... >.< |
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| 07:48.40 | liable | Solet-deb: dpkg -L webmin |
| 07:48.49 | Solet-deb | liable i did |
| 07:48.55 | liable | L or l |
| 07:49.13 | Solet-deb | oh i forgot its Cs |
| 07:49.14 | TwistedEmotions | silverton: I mean do you really expect for these people to know the dates different packages are released? |
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| 07:49.26 | silverton | TwistedEmotions, some might... |
| 07:49.32 | Solet-deb | package webmin not installed |
| 07:49.34 | silverton | or, have a guestimate |
| 07:49.46 | dondelelcaro | we know when packages were made, but we can't tell the future. |
| 07:49.50 | nunez | whats the command for grep that takes certain text out of a file (Ex. cat foo.txt | grep (?) blah > foowithoutblah.txt ? |
| 07:49.56 | dondelelcaro | if you want it to be released faster, help out with the gnome subteam. |
| 07:50.01 | TwistedEmotions | !slap dondelelcaro |
| 07:50.08 | doleyb | nunez: grep -v badtext filenames |
| 07:50.10 | dondelelcaro | TwistedEmotions: ? |
| 07:50.11 | TwistedEmotions | dont speak for me! I know the FUTURE |
| 07:50.27 | dondelelcaro | riiiight. |
| 07:50.31 | TwistedEmotions | heh ;) |
| 07:50.38 | Solet-deb | !aliensmite TwistedEmotions |
| 07:50.41 | TwistedEmotions | !block |
| 07:50.43 | Solet-deb | you didnt see that coming |
| 07:50.51 | TwistedEmotions | see... I knew it was.. just type slow |
| 07:51.04 | spdf | He's a god damn prophet! |
| 07:51.44 | Solet-deb | why is sharing a directory across a network so fucking difficult? |
| 07:51.46 | liable | wtf |
| 07:52.02 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: because it's not? |
| 07:52.05 | mwilson | Solet-deb: What gave you the idea that it was? |
| 07:52.16 | sepski | Solet-deb, it's a walk in the park |
| 07:52.18 | Coke | channel deterioration: high |
| 07:52.21 | doleyb | Solet-deb: apt-get install ssh. Boom, its shared. |
| 07:52.28 | Solet-deb | the whole not fucking working thing was my first clue |
| 07:52.38 | TwistedEmotions | Last time I try and help you with shit. |
| 07:52.39 | dondelelcaro | troll meter: ******************************** |
| 07:52.42 | Solet-deb | doleyb: but will that share it with windows machines too? |
| 07:52.45 | spdf | Its 4am here. I wouldn't go around doing this "walk in the park" business.. |
| 07:52.57 | Coke | Solet-deb: sharing i directory over network is not difficult. we share 35,000+ directories where I work. |
| 07:53.11 | TwistedEmotions | Solet-deb: to fix the apt think try rm /root |
| 07:53.15 | TwistedEmotions | *thing |
| 07:53.24 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: just install samba; set up the samba password, connect to the machine. It's rather trivial. |
| 07:53.33 | liable | TwistedEmotions: shuddup |
| 07:53.35 | Solet-deb | umm i did that |
| 07:53.35 | sepski | Solet-deb, ofcouse if your going to add windows to the mix things get messy :P |
| 07:53.38 | Solet-deb | it didnt work |
| 07:53.38 | Coke | TwistedEmotions: please don't make such jokes |
| 07:53.41 | dondelelcaro | !didn't work |
| 07:53.41 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 07:53.55 | TwistedEmotions | Wont work without the options anways... |
| 07:54.02 | Solet-deb | dondelelcaro: trying to access from a windows machine! the error i got was fucking "DIDNT WORK" |
| 07:54.09 | doleyb | Solet-deb: if you install a tiny winscp program on the windows machines, it is good. |
| 07:54.12 | Solet-deb | i'm telling you what it told me |
| 07:54.14 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: what exactly are you doing? |
| 07:54.33 | mwilson | Solet-deb: No, it did not. That's about all that needs to be said. |
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| 07:54.42 | Coke | Solet-deb: have you got this working in rh or mdk? |
| 07:54.50 | TwistedEmotions | dondelelcaro: trying to get us to setup his computer for him. |
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| 07:54.59 | Solet-deb | dondelelcaro: you know in windows when you right click a directory icon and click properties then tick 'share folder on network', i'm trying to do that, but on the linux machine |
| 07:55.02 | TwistedEmotions | Im not one to speak... bgut.. |
| 07:55.16 | liable | Solet-deb: can you ping the other machines first? |
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| 07:55.25 | Coke | Solet-deb: I recommend that you switch to Mandrake |
| 07:55.32 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: yes, so you install samba, set up the users, and edit /etc/samba/smb.conf; what's the problem? |
| 07:55.38 | Solet-deb | liable: i can access shared folders on the windows machines from the linux machines |
| 07:55.40 | stouset | Coke: Haha, why's that? |
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| 07:56.25 | jaysin | Can ayone help me install java and limewire? |
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| 07:56.55 | Coke | stouset: well, mdk has presets for all that crap, but more importantly it will get him out of our hair. he will be back to debian after a year or two when he knows more. |
| 07:56.59 | TwistedEmotions | Solet-deb: did you get windows machines on the same workgroup/domain? or did you setup so workgroup wasnt needed? |
| 07:57.02 | jbmigel | jaysin lookit www.ubuntuguide.org the procedure is the same for debian |
| 07:57.05 | stouset | Coke: Haha. |
| 07:57.07 | snail_ | I just mistakenly allowed "apt-get update" to do a major upgrade to gnupg. is there a url telling me how to roll back that upgrade? |
| 07:57.21 | jaysin | jbmigel: i tried that and it still wont work :( |
| 07:57.36 | jbmigel | jaysin did you get java installed? |
| 07:57.47 | Solet-deb | TwistedEmotions: all MY windows machines are on the workgroup solet-net, as are my linux machines |
| 07:57.51 | dondelelcaro | snail_: so apt-get install gnupg=vesionyouwantinstalled |
| 07:57.57 | Coke | Solet-deb: save yourself a lot of time by downloading mandrake or fedora. |
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| 07:58.08 | dondelelcaro | snail_: you may need to add an appropriate sources.list line to snapshot.debian.net |
| 07:58.15 | dondelelcaro | Coke: not hardly |
| 07:58.18 | Coke | Solet-deb: or possibly ubuntu or knoppix. |
| 07:58.20 | ottoaim_ | Coke: lol |
| 07:58.23 | jaysin | jbmigel: I'm not sure... i'm a toatl newbie... i did the java installation from ubuntuguide and i dont know if that worked either |
| 07:58.26 | Solet-deb | some one shoot him |
| 07:58.29 | sepski | Solet-deb, well i have samba here, on debian works like a charm, from windows also |
| 07:58.29 | snail_ | dondelelcaro: thanks. where do i find what versions are avaliable? |
| 07:58.45 | dondelelcaro | snail_: by visiting snapshot.debian.net, basically. |
| 07:58.54 | TwistedEmotions | Coke: you traitor. |
| 07:58.57 | jbmigel | jaysin type "java -version" at command prompt... what does it say? |
| 07:59.09 | TwistedEmotions | TwistedEmotions: learn to spell. |
| 07:59.21 | Coke | dondelelcaro: oh, he will. I know that mandrake assumes default for all that crap, so it's basically just a click away from working. they also have pretty fucked up GUI's for it, but they work for what he's trying to accomplish and it will save everybody some time. |
| 07:59.26 | stouset | Arrrgh. j_k, still there? |
| 07:59.35 | jaysin | jbmigel: "Bash: Java command not found" |
| 07:59.39 | snail_ | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 07:59.39 | Coke | traitor? I think not. |
| 07:59.53 | ottoaim_ | jaysin: install java silly |
| 08:00.03 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: if you want help with this, you're going to have to answer my questions. |
| 08:00.04 | stouset | jaysin: You don't have java installed =P |
| 08:00.06 | jbmigel | jaysin it doesnt look like java is installed, are you sure you followed the directions properly? |
| 08:00.21 | jaysin | I've no clue... i did it exactly like it said to |
| 08:00.27 | TwistedEmotions | Hahaha... check this ignorant site out... http://www.probush.com/traitor.htm |
| 08:00.32 | dondelelcaro | Coke: uh, I know Debian's defaults, and there's no clicking. It just works. |
| 08:00.35 | Solet-deb | how do i see what other packages were installed when i installed webmin earlier? there were 3 others and they werent removed when i removed webmin... i just wanna clean up now while i remember |
| 08:01.01 | Coke | We can either spoon-feed rookies all day long, or we can send them to Mandrake and Fedora where they will learn the basic GNU skills they need to be effective with Debian. They'll be back once they get beyond newbie knowledge. |
| 08:01.07 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: use deborphan or debfoster or aptitude... but that's not the problem you were considering earlier. |
| 08:01.12 | jbmigel | jaysin: ok well is there lots of files in /usr/java/jre1.5.0_03/ now then? |
| 08:01.17 | Coke | Everybody ends up with Debian sooner or later. |
| 08:01.20 | dondelelcaro | Coke: if you have a problem with helping rookies, feel free to hang out in some other channel. |
| 08:01.54 | peterS | good answer, dondelelcaro |
| 08:02.08 | peterS | !dondelelcaro++ |
| 08:02.19 | Coke | dondelelcaro: no, but you know too that there are no "fast answers" and it seems that's what they all want. not to learn, but to get spoon fed the information they think they need. |
| 08:02.22 | jaysin | jbmigel: "no such file or directory" |
| 08:02.39 | jbmigel | hmmm |
| 08:02.39 | dondelelcaro | Coke: otherwise, utilize /ignore if a particular individual is bothering you. Harping on them doesn't help at all. If they're not helping themselves, I, or another op will remove them or handle the situation. |
| 08:02.59 | jbmigel | jaysin is there a /usr/java directory? |
| 08:03.08 | stouset | Coke: Well, to be fair, most people simply aren't interested in the learning process when it comes to computers. Computers aren't their interest, nor should it be. |
| 08:03.09 | dondelelcaro | Coke: I'm well aware of that fact. |
| 08:03.19 | stouset | Coke: When it comes down to it, not everyone can or should be a computer scientist. |
| 08:03.40 | Coke | stouset: do you think installing and maintaining Debian is suitable for such a person? |
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| 08:03.49 | jaysin | jbmigel: how can i tell? |
| 08:03.54 | stouset | Coke: Actually, yes. It's getting closer every day. |
| 08:04.02 | jbmigel | ls -l /usr/java |
| 08:04.05 | Coke | stouset: ok, then we'll just have to agree on disagreeing. |
| 08:04.07 | cahoot | Coke: accept that the cause is lost |
| 08:04.08 | liable | anyway, back to the problem :) |
| 08:04.08 | darkne55 | hi all |
| 08:04.19 | Coke | cahoot: yes. |
| 08:04.22 | stouset | Coke: My parents use Debian. Not that they know and/or care. I installed it and set it up for them, and they use it as well as they used Windows. Only, I have less to worry about as far as viruses and spyware. |
| 08:04.35 | jaysin | jbmigel: nope no such file or directory |
| 08:04.36 | ottoaim_ | my girlfriend isnt a computer scientist and she runs debian |
| 08:04.38 | Coke | stouset: yes, YOU installed and maintain it. |
| 08:04.42 | toresbe | stouset: My mom and both grandmothers use Ubuntu |
| 08:04.45 | darkne55 | i am having problems installing the package grass using apt-get |
| 08:04.53 | toresbe | actually, mom uses Sarge. |
| 08:04.57 | Coke | stouset: I didn't ask you whether or not Debian is usable by computer iliterates. My mom uses Debian too. |
| 08:04.59 | dondelelcaro | darkne55: paste the output from the install run into #flood or using the paster bot. |
| 08:05.00 | darkne55 | says: E: Package grass has no installation candidate |
| 08:05.13 | jbmigel | jaysin i dont believe you followed the ubuntuguide instructions very well, did you download the jre binary file at least? |
| 08:05.25 | stouset | Coke: And, eventually, computer illiterates should be able to install Debian without problems, as well. |
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| 08:05.35 | dondelelcaro | darkne55: uh, what does apt-cache policy grass; say? [and apt-cache policy; if that doesn't produce any useful output] |
| 08:05.42 | stouset | Coke: There's no reason that the installation should be more complicated than the day to day operation. |
| 08:05.43 | TwistedEmotions_ | gnite guys. |
| 08:05.47 | jaysin | jbmigel: i have "jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586-rpm.bin" saved to my desktop |
| 08:05.52 | togs | hello #debian! |
| 08:05.56 | jbmigel | jaysin ok thats a good start! |
| 08:05.59 | toresbe | hello togs! |
| 08:06.04 | Overand | weird, debian sarge netinstall disk inside MS VPC seems to not work. |
| 08:06.14 | Coke | stouset: like I've said so many times; Debian is the best multi-purpose OS there is and it's layout and utilities are the most user friendly I've ever seen, they just require the user to have some knowledge. |
| 08:06.19 | Overand | "Invalid or corrupt kernel image" |
| 08:06.21 | Overand | !vpc |
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| 08:06.38 | jbmigel | jaysin next step is open a command prompt and "su" to root |
| 08:06.39 | dondelelcaro | !+info grass sarge |
| 08:06.42 | dpkg | grass: (Geographic Resources Analysis Support System), section science, is extra. Version: 6.0.0-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 5167 kB, Installed size: 12296 kB |
| 08:06.55 | darkne55 | dondelelcaro: i pasted the output from apt-policy to #flood |
| 08:06.56 | snail_ | dondelelcaro: thanks. everything working and I'm a happy camper :) |
| 08:06.57 | jaysin | okay |
| 08:07.04 | Coke | stouset: yes there is a good reason why installation and maintenance of an OS should be harder than day-to-day usage; they are not even remotely the same types of tasks |
| 08:07.16 | jaysin | jbmigel: i type 'su' and nothing happens... doesnt it usually ask for a pass? |
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| 08:07.25 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you dont have finals? |
| 08:07.30 | togs | you only do a debian install once, maybe twice if you bork it :P |
| 08:07.34 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I'm a grad student... |
| 08:07.39 | jbmigel | jaysin yes unless your already root |
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| 08:07.44 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: I only have to grade them |
| 08:07.51 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: (= |
| 08:08.01 | jbmigel | jaysin type "whoami" |
| 08:08.16 | Overand | ugh, still 'invalid or corrupt kernel image' |
| 08:08.22 | jaysin | jbmigel: "root" |
| 08:08.28 | stouset | Coke: They are, actually. Installation should be no harder than the task of using it. Think about it: for an experienced admin who wants to set it up as a server to perform various tasks, he's going to want to care about the minutia. In other words, disk partitioning, bare configs, etc. But a home user wants it to "just work", so the system should be able to configure itself in a sane manner without user intervention. |
| 08:08.28 | jbmigel | jaysin good |
| 08:08.30 | doleyb | i have run debian for 7 years, have no idea how to install, only did once |
| 08:08.43 | dondelelcaro | darkne55: ok, it looks like you've got a really wierd pinning setup. You should insetad see something like 500 http://http.us.debian.org testing/main Packages |
| 08:08.48 | jbmigel | jaysin next step is to "cd Desktop" |
| 08:09.02 | dondelelcaro | darkne55: are you running stable and pinning to testing or something? |
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| 08:09.29 | jaysin | jbmigel: done |
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| 08:09.38 | darkne55 | sorry forgot to mention.. im on progeny debian |
| 08:09.39 | jbmigel | jaysin if you type "pwd" now it should say /home/username/Desktop |
| 08:09.56 | silverwolf | Hi. Where can i find a guide for installing debian over network. I want to install it on a machine without cdrom or floppy. Only have network bootup |
| 08:10.24 | Coke | stouset: for some things yes. but 99% of all spam I get here are relayed through MS Exchange servers. The reason spammers have access to a vast number of relayable MTA's is because it's too easy to install the software. That means any moron can do it without having to learn anything about the technology or the hazards. The reason they don't need the knowledge is because MS provides them with fucked up defaults. Some things _should_ be hard to do because the te |
| 08:10.25 | deadcat | jaysin: i think you're in deep shit if you have trouble cd'ing |
| 08:10.25 | tra1a1a | stouset: users need to learn how to use computers or they will never be able to use them. It's kinda like drivers need to learn the traffic regulations or they will never obtain a license (even though they could be albe to drive). |
| 08:10.38 | dondelelcaro | darkne55: ok... well, I don't know what they're default is, but most likely you've got something set in /etc/apt/apt.conf to pin testing at -1, which won't allow those packages to be installed. |
| 08:10.40 | jaysin | jbmigel: thats what it says |
| 08:10.42 | jbmigel | stuff it deadcat |
| 08:10.47 | jbmigel | jaysin next step is type "sh jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin" |
| 08:10.52 | deadcat | what the fuck? |
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| 08:11.21 | deadcat | next step is ls |
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| 08:11.38 | deadcat | !confuse jaysin |
| 08:11.38 | dpkg | No, them are my snake tomorrow, jaysin? breeches of the monarchy of tibet with extra anchovies |
| 08:11.42 | jbmigel | jaysin it will print out lots of garbage about user license... just hit space till its over then type "yes" |
| 08:11.45 | Overand | GEE, you think the reason my netinstall CD won't work is becuase it's 1.6 megs? =] |
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| 08:11.48 | dondelelcaro | tra1a1a: sure, but not very many drivers actually understand the difference between a valve and a cam shaft, and when it's appropriate to advance or retard their timing |
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| 08:11.53 | cafuego | tra1a1a: Haha. Sadly over half the people with a licence still can't drive. |
| 08:12.01 | jaysin | jbmigel: done... i got an error |
| 08:12.02 | dondelelcaro | Overand: heh. You don't even have the entire eltorito there |
| 08:12.07 | deadcat | jaysin: press "q" (= |
| 08:12.12 | Overand | dondelelcaro: no kidding |
| 08:12.16 | jbmigel | jaysin what error? |
| 08:12.22 | Overand | i'd have had better luck with a floppy |
| 08:12.28 | jaysin | jbmigel: "error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2) |
| 08:12.28 | jaysin | error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm" |
| 08:12.33 | dondelelcaro | Overand: although, I guess that's better than having it missing in the middle |
| 08:12.37 | tra1a1a | cafuego: well I didn't say my comparison is perfect :) |
| 08:12.39 | Overand | true |
| 08:12.39 | dondelelcaro | wha? /var/lib/rpm? |
| 08:12.40 | ghatak | Hi, are there any products for linux similar to Microsoft's OneNote? |
| 08:12.46 | Overand | at least i didn't get 1/2way through an install |
| 08:12.52 | Overand | ghatak: what's "onenote" ? |
| 08:12.54 | deadcat | ghatak: what the hell is OneNote? |
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| 08:13.10 | Overand | heh |
| 08:13.14 | jaysin | one note is pretty much a notepad isint it? |
| 08:13.20 | Solet-deb | regarding the samba configuration file: what the fuck is "WINS" |
| 08:13.24 | deadcat | leafpad then |
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| 08:13.33 | dondelelcaro | Solet-deb: if you don't know, don't worry about it. |
| 08:13.37 | ghatak | OneNote is pretty useful tool manage notes, take quick notes etc |
| 08:13.43 | tra1a1a | dondelelcaro: neither do I, but then again I'm not trying to repair my car by myself. |
| 08:13.44 | dondelelcaro | unless you've got a PDC, you really could care less about wins |
| 08:13.48 | umbop | WINS - is a windows netbios dns resolving |
| 08:13.52 | deadcat | ghatak: sounds like vi to me |
| 08:13.53 | jbmigel | jaysin can you go back to the ubuntuguide.org java install section and download the jre from his link there? I believe you got one from somewhere else that is an rpm |
| 08:14.01 | doleyb | onenote is a note-manager, as opposed to an ascii editor. |
| 08:14.06 | dondelelcaro | tra1a1a: well, the latter actually has more to do with driving your car than repairing it |
| 08:14.11 | doleyb | actually, a Wiki program is rather similar in effect. But not as snappy. |
| 08:14.12 | togs | onenote: Capture, organize, and reuse your notes on laptop computers, desktop computers, or Tablet PCs |
| 08:14.15 | umbop | Windows Internet Naming Service or whatever it stands for |
| 08:14.20 | jaysin | jbmigel: okies... lemme try that again :P |
| 08:14.20 | dondelelcaro | (although, it's been quite a long time since cars have had manual spark advances on the steering wheels) |
| 08:14.26 | Solet-deb | umbop: so WINS is what turns "oji-san" into 192.168.0.201? |
| 08:14.27 | darkne55 | dondelelcaro, progeny is based on sarge, i added the sources for testing in sources.list.. is that ok? |
| 08:14.33 | umbop | Solet-deb: yes |
| 08:14.37 | kensuke | OneNote is like a project research tool isn't it ? |
| 08:14.38 | ghatak | deadcat: its diffirent, very easy to use, true togs |
| 08:14.43 | darkne55 | dondelelcaro, i cant find apt.conf in /etc/apt |
| 08:14.45 | deadcat | sounds like a OneNote promotion in #debian to me |
| 08:14.52 | dondelelcaro | darkne55: maybe, maybe not. again, progeny isn't debian, so I can't tell you exactly what they've changed. |
| 08:14.52 | togs | i got the description from MS site :P |
| 08:15.02 | Solet-deb | ok... that sounds important then... cause with out it how is it to know what the machines name is? |
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| 08:15.13 | jbmigel | jaysin if you wish to download right from sun again you can just dont pick the .rpm download |
| 08:15.15 | stouset | What sets $LANG and $LANGUAGE in the shell? |
| 08:15.21 | stouset | I'm having problems with locales. |
| 08:15.22 | dondelelcaro | stouset: your .bashrc typically |
| 08:15.35 | togs | I dunno, ghatak, I'd just use vi if I kept notes |
| 08:15.41 | jaysin | jbmigel: its download in the terminal |
| 08:15.42 | deadcat | stouset: export |
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| 08:15.47 | stouset | dondelelcaro: It's not there. |
| 08:15.49 | jaysin | jbmigel: downloading* |
| 08:15.50 | ghatak | well nobody is promoting it, i am looking for its alternative to use on linux :) |
| 08:15.50 | darkne55 | dondelelcaro, any clue where apt.conf might be? |
| 08:16.00 | kensuke | vim |
| 08:16.04 | kensuke | :-) |
| 08:16.04 | umbop | Solet-deb: well you could just put them in the hosts file, for special machines, depends whether you need it or not |
| 08:16.04 | karsten_ | OT: Who's the guy that runs SpamCop? Justin Mason or Julian Haight or ... ? |
| 08:16.06 | deadcat | ghatak: most people just use vi |
| 08:16.22 | stouset | deadcat: Something set my $LANGUAGE to en_US:en_GB:en, and I don't know what. |
| 08:16.25 | dondelelcaro | darkne55: it dosen't necessarily need to be there, it's just common. check /etc/apt/conf.d/ as well. |
| 08:16.37 | jbmigel | jaysin ok when its done try running sh jrefilename.bin again |
| 08:16.41 | karsten_ | stouset: export LANG=foo |
| 08:16.45 | deadcat | stouset: export LANG maybe? type locales and see |
| 08:16.53 | ghatak | kensuke: well its not. onenote is way too easy and advanced. i use it in office and it pretty handy to take quick notes |
| 08:16.53 | karsten_ | stouset: ... in .bash_profile or .bashrc |
| 08:16.59 | stouset | karsten_: It's in neither. |
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| 08:17.11 | deadcat | stouset: then set it |
| 08:17.11 | stouset | karsten_: And I know it's a misconfiguration of the system, because I've never had it before. |
| 08:17.20 | dondelelcaro | ghatak: for most things I just use a texteditor |
| 08:17.20 | stouset | deadcat: I'd rather fix the source than bandage it :-) |
| 08:17.23 | ghatak | i guess i should be looking at crossover office site to see if it can run it on linux |
| 08:17.25 | dondelelcaro | ghatak: if it's a todo, I use devtodo |
| 08:17.38 | jaysin | jbmigel: it downloaded and installed it in the terminal |
| 08:17.47 | togs | ghatak, try this link: http://tinyurl.com/8l7y3 |
| 08:17.47 | ghatak | dondelelcaro: yes todo is just part of it |
| 08:17.48 | karsten_ | stouset: Blame GNOME ;-) |
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| 08:17.55 | jbmigel | jaysin you ran the sh and it extracted the files then?? |
| 08:17.57 | stouset | karsten_: ...why? |
| 08:18.05 | jaysin | terminal did it all |
| 08:18.19 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: still on the samba sharing problem? |
| 08:18.25 | dondelelcaro | ghatak: generally you're better off using a collection of separate tools to modulate text files instead, since you can actually get the data out and do useful things with it |
| 08:18.25 | jaysin | jbmigel: but im still getting nothing with 'java -version' |
| 08:18.28 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: yes |
| 08:18.29 | togs | that BasKet seems OK if you're a KDE fan |
| 08:18.32 | jbmigel | jaysin lol not done yet |
| 08:18.35 | Space_NL | hi all, bi use proftpd, and have all users chrooted, how can i except 1 user from this chrooting (i like myself to be able to go to /var/www to for example) |
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| 08:18.53 | jbmigel | jaysin you say you didnt have to type "yes" to the user license?? |
| 08:19.07 | jaysin | jbmigel nope i did type yes |
| 08:19.12 | Solet-deb | it says its working on the linux machine, but when i try to access from a windows machine, the dialog in the windows machine doesnt even read the right crap |
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| 08:19.21 | jbmigel | jaysin great ok we on our way now |
| 08:19.21 | BucWheat | hello all |
| 08:19.23 | karsten_ | stouset: For the hell of it. |
| 08:19.24 | jaysin | jbmigel then it inflated all the files and didnt error |
| 08:19.27 | deadcat | i like the episode of family guy where brian was describing the witch project movie to the blind man.. "nothing happening, they're lost, movie is over, people seem pissed..." |
| 08:19.42 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: It is really beyond my understanding why didn't you bother to give a real try to webmin |
| 08:19.46 | kensuke | Space_NL: I usually just create a user whos home dir is /var/www |
| 08:19.57 | jbmigel | jaysin ok now i want you to lookit that ubuntuguide again, we just did the first two steps listed there right?? |
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| 08:20.10 | kensuke | Space_NL: bit of a hack I suppose ... |
| 08:20.11 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: because i found nothing in the web client that even talked about samba |
| 08:20.12 | darkne55 | dondelelcaro, apt.conf.d/ and it isn?t there.. not sure how to use the command find to search for it.. can you help me out |
| 08:20.13 | BucWheat | anyone ever get bootsplash to work in sarge with 2.6.x kernel? i cannot get any image or splash screen to come up after following the instructions |
| 08:20.15 | sepski | Solet-deb, not to be negative, but 'does not read the right crap' is not so easy to troubleshoot, more spesific error messages might make #debian's live easier |
| 08:20.20 | Space_NL | kensuke: oke, sounds like a solution, so i do adduser, where do i go to then to change someones homedir ? |
| 08:20.21 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: anyway, let me give you some hints - check with anonymous share first to be sure that you have at least the samba working properly |
| 08:20.28 | jaysin | jbmigel which part am i looking at? the java or the limewire? |
| 08:20.31 | BucWheat | anyone know of a .deb for bootsplash? or a howto for debian users? |
| 08:20.36 | jbmigel | jaysin the java part |
| 08:20.38 | deadcat | BucWheat: which istruction did you follow? |
| 08:20.38 | stouset | Nobody know what is responsible for setting $LANG? |
| 08:20.42 | stouset | Or a way I can find out? |
| 08:20.45 | deadcat | BucWheat: bootsplash.de |
| 08:20.46 | jaysin | jbmigel okay. step 3 is restart mozilla |
| 08:20.52 | jbmigel | jaysin no |
| 08:20.59 | dondelelcaro | darkne55: find /etc -type f -print0|xargs -0 grep 'Default-Release' |
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| 08:21.01 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: cant now, got rid of samba... googling around for a complete walkthrough |
| 08:21.02 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: as I said webmin is a plugin based tool - so you just needed to install the webmin-samba plugin (or whatever it is named) |
| 08:21.03 | fo0bar | okay, newbie question I guess... has debian-non-US been abandoned? I don't see any files newer than November 2003 |
| 08:21.12 | jbmigel | jaysin we are 3rd step in that big black window of steps |
| 08:21.13 | kensuke | Space_NL: useradd -d <homedir> <username> |
| 08:21.18 | dondelelcaro | fo0bar: it's no longer needed. |
| 08:21.23 | dondelelcaro | !tell fo0bar about crypto in main |
| 08:21.25 | kensuke | Space_NL: or vi /etc/passwd ;-) |
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| 08:21.31 | Space_NL | kensuke: thnx! |
| 08:21.35 | deadcat | BucWheat: deb http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian unstable main |
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| 08:21.40 | kensuke | Space_NL: no problemo |
| 08:21.41 | jaysin | jbmigel i think i just found the problem... i copy and pasted the whole box |
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| 08:21.53 | cahoot | stouset: tried /etc/environment? |
| 08:21.56 | jbmigel | jaysin ahh you see there are many steps there to follow |
| 08:22.08 | jaysin | jbmigel OMG I AM A MORON! |
| 08:22.19 | darkne55 | dondelelcaro, got 1 result: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00cl:APT::Default-Release "cl"; |
| 08:22.27 | jbmigel | jaysin lol ;) |
| 08:22.34 | jaysin | jbmigel i'll go do all that now |
| 08:22.34 | peterS | karsten: what complaints do you have with it? the only problem I have is its handling of reconnects, and how you can't really mess with them while they're going on |
| 08:22.35 | fo0bar | dondelelcaro: thank you. so is there any incentive to keep debian-non-US in my sources.list, or has all data been moved to main? |
| 08:22.39 | stouset | cahoot: That's it. Thanks. |
| 08:22.45 | cello | hi |
| 08:22.48 | peterS | fo0bar: moved to main, in sarge+ |
| 08:22.49 | jbmigel | jaysin ok good luck! should be the same with limewire |
| 08:22.53 | darkne55 | dondelelcaro, 00cl has only 1 line: APT::Default-Release "cl"; |
| 08:23.04 | karsten | stouset: Whereve it's being set, it's part of your process tree. If it's set in all shells, check any inits at your WM level or better. |
| 08:23.07 | silverton | to have a dhcp server, the only package needed would be "dhcp" right? |
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| 08:23.21 | stouset | karsten: It's in /etc/environment |
| 08:23.23 | deadcat | SiliconViper: dhcp3-server |
| 08:23.25 | BucWheat | deadcat exactly! i followed bootsplash.de |
| 08:23.29 | stouset | dpkg -S /etc/environment shows nothing. Anyone know what owns it? :-) |
| 08:23.30 | dpkg | Package: /etc/environment shows nothing. Anyone know what owns it? :-: Status: install ok installed|There is no record of a /etc/environment shows nothing. Anyone know what owns it? :-) package|(Dingos|Badgers) ate my /etc/environment shows nothing. Anyone know what owns it? :-)!|You Fool! /etc/environment shows nothing. Anyone know what owns it? :-) is installed!) |
| 08:23.32 | fo0bar | peterS: thanks |
| 08:23.33 | deadcat | BucWheat: works for me |
| 08:23.33 | prodope | how can i limit how much bandwidth a nic is using? |
| 08:23.45 | deadcat | prodope: shaper |
| 08:23.51 | peterS | silverton: dhcp, or dhcp3-server. I think the latter is recommended these days |
| 08:24.02 | BucWheat | deadcat which kernel are you using and boot loader? i'm 2.6.8 with grub bootloader |
| 08:24.15 | deadcat | BucWheat: 2.6.11.7 with grub |
| 08:24.35 | jbmigel | Anyone know if it is possible to debootstrap an x86_64 install from a running i686 kernel? |
| 08:24.36 | jaysin | jbmigel Thank you soooo much! I owe everything to you! |
| 08:24.37 | stouset | dpkg -S /etc/environment |
| 08:24.38 | dpkg | Package: /etc/environment: Status: install ok installed |
| 08:24.43 | jbmigel | jaysin np! |
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| 08:25.02 | deadcat | jbmigel: man debootstrap. it has arch option |
| 08:25.13 | karsten | stouset: There you go. |
| 08:25.34 | BucWheat | deadcat k. in menuconfig what options did you set for console frame buffer? i didn't see the exact one in kernel menu so i chose the closes one to it. when i said Y to bootsplash in kernel config i got an error during make-pkg kernel-image |
| 08:25.39 | jbmigel | deadcat yes so then i install the i386 version and run it with x86_64 then? seems kinda weird |
| 08:25.44 | karsten | peterS: I keep ending up with multiple sessions to irc.debian.org, which mess with my nick settings, and trying to figure out which connection is active is a bitch. |
| 08:25.50 | stouset | karsten: ...eh? Didn't answer my question :-) I edited it out, but I was still curious. |
| 08:25.53 | BucWheat | deadcat which instructions did you follow? |
| 08:26.20 | peterS | karsten: ah yes - multiple connections, and managing reconnects, is my beef with irssi too. you can't delete a server while it's waiting for the timeout period before reconnecting |
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| 08:26.32 | deadcat | BucWheat: from gentoo i think. just the usuall steps. disable nvidia ati and enable vesa. |
| 08:26.38 | stouset | karsten: Ah, fuck. Looks like I accidentally picked the language during debian installer. |
| 08:26.48 | stouset | karsten: Picked GB english rather than US english. |
| 08:26.56 | BucWheat | deadcat so i need to disable all video card drivers except vesa? |
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| 08:27.09 | karsten | stouset: You can pick your languages, and you can pick your friends, but you can't pick your friend's language.... |
| 08:27.11 | deadcat | jbmigel: i dont know man. i only use it to install woody on my machines. |
| 08:27.28 | deadcat | BucWheat: just the nvidia and the ati. |
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| 08:27.42 | BucWheat | deadcat k. let me fire up kernel config now |
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| 08:28.50 | jbmigel | deadcat sorry for stuff it comment earlier, thought maybe you were trolling jerk but im just nub here. |
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| 08:29.06 | deadcat | jbmigel: hehe. i am a troll hahha |
| 08:29.15 | deadcat | BucWheat: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=49036 |
| 08:29.25 | jbmigel | :) |
| 08:29.35 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: just do apt-get install webmin-samba and then use it |
| 08:29.36 | BucWheat | deadcat i'm in device drivers->graphics and i've said no to all nVidea and ATI and said Y to VESA VGA graphics support |
| 08:29.50 | deadcat | BucWheat: that should do it |
| 08:30.03 | BucWheat | deadcat and under console text driver i said Y to VGA and Frame buffer |
| 08:30.07 | directhex|work | !wayttd BucWheat |
| 08:30.09 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, BucWheat? |
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| 08:30.20 | deadcat | directhex|work: bootsplash |
| 08:30.29 | BucWheat | deadcat now mind you ati/nvidia where only modules and not included already |
| 08:32.48 | BucWheat | deadcat did that matter? |
| 08:32.48 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: fuck it all, its taken me more time fucking with this thing that its worth... |
| 08:32.48 | deadcat | BucWheat: they recommend disabling the nvidia stuff. |
| 08:32.49 | directhex|work | i seem to recall bootsplash involves static compilation of cramfs, vesafb, bootsplash |
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| 08:32.49 | directhex|work | and debian never uses rivafb unless forced. it always uses vesafb by default |
| 08:32.49 | deadcat | BucWheat: besides. you are only gonna use the vesa fb anyway. |
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| 08:32.49 | Solet-deb | i can just ftp put then ftp get from the other machine on one of my sites... |
| 08:32.49 | dorijan | is there any special config needed to use debootstrap ? im getting work_out_debs:command not found |
| 08:32.49 | BucWheat | deadcat k. i'm looking at the forum link you gave now |
| 08:32.49 | deadcat | dorijan: man debootstrap, theres an example at the bottom |
| 08:32.49 | jaysin | jbmigel okay... limewire is taking forever loading the HTML engine |
| 08:32.57 | jbmigel | jaysin did you get java installed good? |
| 08:33.35 | BucWheat | deadcat the forum says to enable bootsplash in 2.6 kernel conf as well did you enable it? |
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| 08:33.58 | Solet-deb | i think its retarded that i can share a directory from the desktop.... i guess it goes in the 'i got what i paid for' catagory |
| 08:34.03 | deadcat | BucWheat: of course if you want bootsplash. |
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| 08:34.31 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: everything goes there |
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| 08:35.04 | directhex|work | BucWheat, why are you reading forums. bootsplash.de has handy debian guides and sources.list mirrors to make everything easy, and bootsplash.org covers the kernel bits in depth too |
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| 08:35.15 | jaysin | lemme try restarting... |
| 08:35.23 | jbmigel | jaysin that wont help |
| 08:35.27 | deadcat | directhex|work: bootsplash.org is SO out of date. )= |
| 08:35.30 | jbmigel | jaysin welcome to linux! |
| 08:35.47 | directhex|work | deadcat, marginally, but still useful |
| 08:35.48 | BucWheat | directhex|work i checked that site out and i guess i must have overlooked the debian bits or something but i remember following a set of directions on there and i couldn't get it to work |
| 08:35.57 | jbmigel | jaysin "java -version"?? |
| 08:36.13 | directhex|work | hm. time for another directhex'd factoid i think |
| 08:36.14 | deadcat | directhex|work: i agree on .de tough. but i have to use fbsplash on ppc because freakin .de dont have shit for ppc |
| 08:36.30 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: in the webmin it had users and passwords, one of my windows machines didnt even have a user field |
| 08:36.32 | directhex|work | deadcat, i have no interest in ppc |
| 08:36.40 | deadcat | directhex|work: and ppc dont have vesa (= |
| 08:36.51 | phorce1 | plain apache install. fiddling with Squirelmail. http://server.domain.com/squirrelmail/ works fine with DocumentRoot set to /var/www. If I change DocumentRoot to /usr/share/squirrelmail it suddenly can't find things like ../images/logo.jpg. The image path collected from the browser says http://server.domain.com/images/logo.jpg so that should be the same as /usr/share/squirrelmail/images/logo.jpg, right? |
| 08:37.01 | phorce1 | debian sarge BTW |
| 08:37.07 | Solet-deb | it had 'resource' which wasnt editable and it read "\\TSUKASA\IPC$" then it had password, when i entered in the password it would say invalid |
| 08:37.35 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: possibly not, actually. |
| 08:37.53 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: since an Alias can trivially change that. |
| 08:38.39 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: hmmm I thought I turned off all aliasing for /squirrelmail and /usr/share/squirrelmail -- good hint, lemme double check |
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| 08:39.09 | Delph | jbmigel: btw, java-package is probably better than getting people installing java using either the RPMs, a deb from somewhere random, or the .bin file from sun. |
| 08:39.15 | deadcat | BucWheat: if you're building a kernel. why not just use the latest one? |
| 08:39.19 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: I would be surprised if you get help for your windows machines right here |
| 08:39.20 | BucWheat | deadcat here is a question. i'm currently not using initrd because i have said Y to my hdd drivers. do i need to say M so initrd will load them or just enable initrd like instructions say and use it only for bootsplash? |
| 08:39.46 | deadcat | BucWheat: set initrd to Y. |
| 08:39.51 | BucWheat | deadcat what is the latest? .11 ? |
| 08:39.53 | BucWheat | i'm on .8 now |
| 08:39.59 | deadcat | .11.10 |
| 08:40.06 | BucWheat | let me apt get that one |
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| 08:40.19 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: but let me say it one more time - if you have problems with the passwords you should try an anonimous share first |
| 08:40.22 | BucWheat | ahh well i'll upgrade later |
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| 08:40.26 | deadcat | BucWheat: oh. i think you have to use the kernel.org version. apt-get source dont patch well. |
| 08:40.27 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: Thanks -- ouch, there's a default alias for /images/ in the debian install |
| 08:40.30 | BucWheat | i want to get this bootsplash working first |
| 08:40.32 | peet | how do i get folding at home on debian? |
| 08:40.37 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: i dont need help with the window$ machines... they run perfectly (as perfectly as windows can anyway), they were only trying to do what the linux machine told them they had to do to connect... |
| 08:40.52 | deadcat | peet: whats folding? |
| 08:40.59 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: it wasnt just password problems... |
| 08:41.05 | peet | deadcat: folding at home http://folding.stanford.edu |
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| 08:41.13 | Solet-deb | it never asked me what directories i wanted to share |
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| 08:41.25 | phorce1 | gotta move that down into my virthost config that points /var/www to another port |
| 08:41.25 | Solet-deb | even if the passwords worked where would it go? |
| 08:41.30 | jaysin | Limewire works!!! now i have nother problem :(( |
| 08:41.30 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: the webmin? |
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| 08:42.28 | deadcat | peet: you might have to build it yourself. |
| 08:42.35 | Solet-deb | what? fuck webmin. i'm talking about file sharing, not the means by which its done |
| 08:42.48 | jaysin | The Application window goes off my viewing area... a lot of programs do this.. can i change my resolution or something? |
| 08:43.01 | Solet-deb | i dont know the means by which its done, i'm not even sure on the means by which i couldnt do it an hour ago |
| 08:43.16 | deadcat | !drxx |
| 08:43.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 08:43.21 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: in the samba you have to define shares (the folders you will share) and then the access control for them |
| 08:43.25 | BucWheat | deadcat if i'm using driver "vesa" in xf86config-4 i should be able to say N to all other drivers in kernel right? |
| 08:43.26 | Delph | jaysin: if you're in X, then Control-Alt (+ or -) changes resolutions. |
| 08:43.49 | BucWheat | deadcat thought i'd trim down me kernel while i'm at it again :) |
| 08:43.50 | silverton | is there a tool I can apt-get to configure samba? |
| 08:43.50 | jaysin | Delph i'm in ubuntu lol |
| 08:44.04 | peet | deadcat: actually running the .exe works fine i just wish it would install itself.. |
| 08:44.08 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: where/how is this done? |
| 08:44.12 | deadcat | BucWheat: what does xf86 got to do with vesafb? |
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| 08:44.16 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: webmin gives you the gui to do so. otherwise it's /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 08:44.20 | jm_ | silverton: swat |
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| 08:44.35 | deadcat | peet: oh. why they named it .exe i am confused (= |
| 08:44.38 | BucWheat | deadcat nothing just thought i'd remove drivers i don't need |
| 08:44.53 | BucWheat | deadcat and if i removed them i wanted to make sure X would still load |
| 08:45.06 | deadcat | BucWheat: what video card you have? |
| 08:45.17 | BucWheat | hld on |
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| 08:45.26 | deadcat | never heard of that brand |
| 08:45.30 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: did you say earlier that swat was EXCLUSIVLY for samba? |
| 08:45.45 | james | deadcat sorry i got kicked and missed your response to debootstrap toolchain dependency? |
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| 08:46.03 | BucWheat | deadcat S3 Graphics UniChrome™ 2D/3D Graphics |
| 08:46.12 | deadcat | james: man debootstrap and go to the bottom for example? |
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| 08:46.46 | deadcat | BucWheat: oh. i dont have fbdriver have anything to do with X. but i might(probably) wrong (= |
| 08:46.46 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: yes, it is |
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| 08:47.07 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: is it a real app or is it a crappy webutil like webmin? |
| 08:47.25 | BucWheat | deadcat no worries if i break it i'll just have to recompile kernel no biggie :) |
| 08:47.29 | james | deadcat yes i have seen man page, also install doc talks of glibc dependancy so I am wondering if I somehow need to link in 64bit glibc before running bootstrap. |
| 08:47.31 | BucWheat | i'm proceeding now... |
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| 08:47.36 | deadcat | BucWheat: thats the spirit |
| 08:47.39 | skaught | Solet-deb: What's the difference between a web ui and any other? |
| 08:47.47 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: it is "a crappy webutil like webmin" |
| 08:47.50 | james | deadcat maybe i should just break down and buy a blank cd eh? ;) |
| 08:47.59 | Solet-deb | fantastic :/ |
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| 08:48.02 | deadcat | james: heheh. |
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| 08:48.17 | Delph | bah. |
| 08:48.34 | silverton | params.c:OpenConfFile() - Unable to open configuration file "/etc/samba/smb.conf": |
| 08:48.34 | silverton | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.36 | silverton | um.... :-/ |
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| 08:49.27 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: btw I'm having a look right now at webmin-samba and it looks pretty straight-forward to me |
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| 08:49.33 | Solet-deb | skaught: web based utilities are retarded... if you're gonna write a program, write an accual program... people need to learn to program where programming is appropriate and to script where scripting is appropriate |
| 08:50.27 | Delph | Solet-deb: nothing about an application with a html GUI makes it inherently bad |
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| 08:51.00 | Delph | Solet-deb: nothing about a web-based application means that it has to be written in a scripting language. |
| 08:51.10 | stouset | Delph: Wise words. |
| 08:51.18 | stouset | Hell, look at some of the neat XUL-based apps. |
| 08:51.20 | skaught | Solet-deb: You're not making any argument. A configuration utility like SWAT is a front-end, so if you wrote a *real* application (whatever that means) it would just be a front-end as well. Usability is what really counts, and that can be delivered a multitude of way |
| 08:51.30 | BucWheat | deadcat is this right: make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=.050522 kernel-image |
| 08:51.32 | BucWheat | ? |
| 08:51.37 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: a) earlier when i accually had webmin on this machine you hadnt told me about webmin-samba. b) i'm tired and irritable, webmin pissed me off i'm not going to use it. c) calculus looked straight forward to my professor but i still failed the class... |
| 08:51.38 | Delph | equally, webmin *does* ming, as do a lot of badly coded web applications. |
| 08:51.53 | stouset | Solet-deb: Well webmin is a piece of shit anyways =P |
| 08:51.56 | deadcat | BucWheat: no need for --initrd because it built into the kernel |
| 08:52.36 | BucWheat | deadcat k. |
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| 08:52.45 | deadcat | BucWheat: if you use the sources.list line from bootsplash.de it will create the initrd for you when you install the bootsplash thing. |
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| 08:53.06 | kensuke | the cool thing about webmin ... is it makes it easy for people to not RTFM, then make a mess, then get people who have / will RTFM to come and fix it ;-) |
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| 08:53.11 | Solet-deb | delph: agreed some web aps were written in programming languages... but thats very few... and the one in quesiton was a script i can tell by looking at it... |
| 08:53.27 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: a) when I did so, I didn't imagine that you wouldn't bother to take 10 minutes and see how the tool works before trying to use it. b) ok. c) I find it hardly compareable |
| 08:53.30 | doleyb | Solet-deb: 100% of webapps were in programming languages |
| 08:53.31 | peterS | Solet-deb: do you consider java to be a scripting language, or a programming language? |
| 08:53.43 | BucWheat | deadcat deb http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian unstable main that it? |
| 08:53.53 | skaught | Solet-deb: The UNIX way encourages scripting by providing a multitude of small utilities. What's bad about that? |
| 08:54.05 | Solet-deb | peters java is programming |
| 08:54.13 | stouset | skaught: Because obviously scripting is inherently evil. |
| 08:54.17 | doleyb | scripts are programs |
| 08:54.19 | silverton | which port is samba ? |
| 08:54.23 | snail_ | Solet-deb: which scripting languages are not also programming languages? |
| 08:54.25 | Solet-deb | skaught: if i want to change something about my computer i dont want to have to load a browser to do so |
| 08:54.26 | peterS | Solet-deb: the best web apps are in java because that's the only thing of any substance most people think you can depend on client-side |
| 08:54.29 | stouset | skaught: Because you know, scripts aren't *programs*. And programs are good. |
| 08:54.41 | skaught | Solet-deb: *cough* vi /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 08:54.45 | BucWheat | deadcat got. i'm about to apt-get install bootsplash now |
| 08:54.51 | stouset | Solet-deb: What does that have to do with scripting languages? |
| 08:55.07 | stouset | Solet-deb: Hell, you can write fully-featured GUI apps in a scripting language. |
| 08:55.22 | stouset | Solet-deb: Python and Perl have GTK bindings. |
| 08:55.29 | deadcat | BucWheat: cool. you can reconfigure the package when you have a new kernel. |
| 08:55.42 | Delph | java is interpreted -> java is a scripting language =:) |
| 08:55.43 | BucWheat | do i need to install kernel-patch-bootsplash |
| 08:55.48 | Delph | and all that |
| 08:55.50 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: you actually don't need to even have a gui to configure debian. vi or emacs will do just fine |
| 08:55.52 | Solet-deb | stouset: when gtk is implimented it becomes a programing language because of its structure and object orientation |
| 08:55.53 | stouset | Solet-deb: You already said you don not consider Java a scripting language. Do you consider Perl a scripting language? |
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| 08:56.58 | stouset | Solet-deb: Because Webmin is written in Perl. |
| 08:56.59 | Solet-deb | java is a programing language, javascript is a scripting language, perl is a scripting language, php is a scripting language, php-gtk is a scripting language that has been extended with object oriented code to become a programmng language |
| 08:57.09 | stouset | Solet-deb: Why is Perl a scripting language? |
| 08:57.25 | stouset | Solet-deb: It runs in a bytecode interpreter, like Java. It uses Just-In-Time compilation, like Java. |
| 08:57.35 | doleyb | Solet-deb: please don't embarrass yourself like that. |
| 08:57.39 | Guerin | i always thought perl was the case study of the fuzzy boundary between a programming language and a scripting language |
| 08:57.50 | pusling | hmm... anyone knows a place to get vim7-debian-packages ? |
| 08:58.00 | stouset | Guerin: Hence me choosing it as a demonstration :-) |
| 08:58.01 | kensuke | SEMANTICS PEOPLE |
| 08:58.03 | Guerin | hehe |
| 08:58.13 | Delph | i think scripting languages have to be defined as ones which are directly interpreted from source, line(block,whatever) by line. |
| 08:58.19 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: it is interesting to see that you don't have 10 minutes to find your way around webmin but you have plenty of time to participate in baseless arguments about programming languages |
| 08:58.21 | Solet-deb | the little bit of perl i know tells me that its a scripting language because of its 'when this happens do this and make it look like this' nature |
| 08:58.23 | kensuke | you are gonna argue yourselves in circles |
| 08:58.45 | stouset | Solet-deb: There is little, execution-wise that would differ Java and Perl from each other. What, then, makes Java and Perl not the same type of language? |
| 08:58.46 | doleyb | Solet-deb: if you don't even know what "program" means... |
| 08:59.06 | Solet-deb | tra1a1a: stfu, that prgm pissed me off now i'm venting |
| 08:59.12 | stouset | Solet-deb: Hell, you will never even have a Perl program abort out in the middle of execution because of a syntax error, like most "scripting languages". |
| 08:59.30 | BucWheat | deadcat am i going to have to update grub myself? i ran the script and it didn't modify grubs menu.lst |
| 08:59.30 | Solet-deb | stouset: as i do not know java, i cant answer |
| 08:59.33 | Guerin | eeew, webmin |
| 08:59.41 | stouset | Solet-deb: You can't answer because there is no answer. |
| 08:59.59 | BucWheat | deadcat just got error when compiling kernel with bootsplash set to Y |
| 09:00.05 | Solet-deb | well thats daft of you... asking a question with no answer |
| 09:00.07 | silverton | this is irritating... |
| 09:00.08 | kensuke | peoples knee-jerk reaction to webmin is not based on the fact that it might be powered by a scripting language... its based on the fact that it sucks. Finish and klaar |
| 09:00.16 | Solet-deb | its like masturbating with no pay off at the end... |
| 09:00.27 | BucWheat | http://rafb.net/paste/results/lhmEdp79.html |
| 09:00.33 | Guerin | Solet-deb: the lack of answer is the answer |
| 09:00.39 | BucWheat | deadcat here is the errors: http://rafb.net/paste/results/lhmEdp79.html |
| 09:00.53 | stouset | Solet-deb: It's like debating where the boundary of "life" is. It's all a matter of perspective, and all a matter of situation. There is no hard and fast line between a scripting language and a "programming" language. Java to you seems to be a "programming" language because it's C-like. Perl does not, because it "feels" like a script. |
| 09:01.13 | tosh| | im doing some korn shell scripting and I want to check if a certain path is a subdir of second pathname... any way of doing this using shell commands? |
| 09:01.23 | skaught | Perl can compile to native-code, but few people do that because it doesn't make much sense |
| 09:01.26 | Solet-deb | wtf! |
| 09:01.35 | kensuke | I have an aplication that has a c-like scripting engine :-) |
| 09:01.37 | Solet-deb | stouset: when did you switch to my side |
| 09:01.47 | stouset | Solet-deb: I didn't. At all. |
| 09:02.07 | stouset | I'm saying that you're wrong because you're stating absolutes in a situation where there aren't any. |
| 09:02.09 | Solet-deb | stouset: you just said what i've been saying for 20 minutes |
| 09:02.26 | stouset | Solet-deb: Then you haven't been saying it very well. |
| 09:02.31 | kensuke | Lets debate if c-like scripting laguages deserve the same moral rights as c itself ... or is that for#debian-legal ? ;-) |
| 09:02.51 | stouset | kensuke: #debian-religion-evolution |
| 09:02.51 | dondelelcaro | kensuke: moral rights? |
| 09:02.58 | kensuke | lol |
| 09:03.00 | RichiH | kensuke: heh |
| 09:03.01 | Guerin | i blame sun |
| 09:03.04 | Solet-deb | ok in the end it matters not because its all fucking binary, my point is that web based applications for use on the machine that hosts them are fucking retarded |
| 09:03.06 | BucWheat | deadcat you still with me? |
| 09:03.07 | stouset | kensuke: Clearly, C has a soul while Perl does not. |
| 09:03.17 | dondelelcaro | but perl does? |
| 09:03.19 | deadcat | BucWheat: what up |
| 09:03.19 | skaught | If C has a soul then Lisp is God |
| 09:03.19 | stouset | Solet-deb: Why? |
| 09:03.30 | Solet-deb | opening a browser to look at your own machine is daft.... |
| 09:03.32 | BucWheat | deadcat here is the errors: http://rafb.net/paste/results/lhmEdp79.html |
| 09:03.34 | stouset | Solet-deb: It's all a matter of implementation. Yes, most webapps suck giant flaming monkey balls. |
| 09:03.42 | stouset | Solet-deb: No, they are not destined to be such. |
| 09:03.50 | BucWheat | deadcat i got that while compiling kernel with bootsplash set to Y |
| 09:03.51 | bbrazil | tosh|: maybe grep? |
| 09:03.52 | kensuke | Im a buddhist, there is no soul, only self-referential beings ... so I suppose Lisp is realy ... shite Im talking crap. I better go work |
| 09:04.11 | deadcat | BucWheat: did the patch fail before you compile? |
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| 09:04.20 | BucWheat | no |
| 09:04.29 | deadcat | BucWheat: try using kernel.org kernel instead of apt-get |
| 09:04.30 | BucWheat | deadcat not that i remember i can repatch to see |
| 09:04.35 | gary | I was wondering how i would install a .deb file on my debian computer? |
| 09:04.41 | dondelelcaro | gary: dpkg -i it |
| 09:04.43 | stouset | gary: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 09:04.50 | gary | kewl thanks |
| 09:04.56 | BucWheat | deadcat will i still be able to use make-pkg? |
| 09:05.03 | stouset | !kewl |
| 09:05.03 | dpkg | hmm... kewl is not cool. kewl is what people who are not cool think is cool. |
| 09:05.08 | deadcat | BucWheat: oh ya. |
| 09:05.13 | BucWheat | k |
| 09:05.14 | stouset | Hm. Appropriate enough. |
| 09:05.28 | gary | hmm |
| 09:05.29 | tra1a1a | I think we all got your point Solet-deb - you're pritty deep into the computing languages' matters. It's only that you can't configure your samba server |
| 09:05.34 | stouset | That was my AOL password, god knows how long ago. |
| 09:05.39 | stouset | Back when I was like seven. |
| 09:06.08 | stouset | ...actually, I guess then I do know how long ago. |
| 09:06.09 | silverton | lol stouset, I don't even remember what my AOL pass was... |
| 09:06.11 | Solet-deb | stouset: if you wanted to play solitare would you rather a) open mozilla and go to http://localhost:09808897786 or b) double click an icon that looks like a deck of cards that sits on your desktop? |
| 09:06.14 | deadcat | BucWheat: i am going to sleep. have to wake up and prepare 8 essay topics for final.. |
| 09:06.38 | skaught | Solet-deb: I'd reach for a pack of cards in my desk drawer |
| 09:06.46 | stouset | Solet-deb: Why can I not have an icon of a deck of cards on my desktop that takes me to http://localhost:09808897786 |
| 09:06.47 | doleyb | Solet-deb: your opinion on philosophy is undermined because you can't figure out how to config samba on your own. |
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| 09:06.53 | BucWheat | deadcat wow. good luck man and thanks |
| 09:06.54 | Space_NL | and skaught gives the correct answer. |
| 09:06.55 | stouset | doleyb: Hahahaha. |
| 09:07.08 | deadcat | BucWheat: ya. iam fucked (= |
| 09:07.10 | deadcat | later |
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| 09:07.23 | Space_NL | deadcat : gl |
| 09:07.28 | tra1a1a | my point exactly |
| 09:07.56 | coll | ok i think that im finally done with all the usual configs. how can i check that everything went smooth after my aptitude woody->sarge operation? maybe /etc/debian_version? |
| 09:07.58 | stouset | Solet-deb: Hell, if it was done in Java, you could conceivably run it locally OR in a web browser! |
| 09:08.01 | Solet-deb | stouset: but whats the point of broadcasting your solitare application to the world |
| 09:08.10 | spdf | Solet-deb, or even, that aliased to http://cards.localhost |
| 09:08.24 | stouset | coll: That's a sanity check, sure. But the only real way to know for sure is to play around. |
| 09:08.32 | stouset | Solet-deb: Daemons can listen on localhost. |
| 09:08.38 | stouset | Solet-deb: You bind to the lo interface. Simple enough. |
| 09:08.46 | doleyb | some people like to re-config 100 machines around the campus without walking to each one. |
| 09:08.51 | Solet-deb | but why? whats the point of putting it in a browser? why run a program to run a program? |
| 09:09.00 | stouset | Solet-deb: Isn't that what an Operating System is? |
| 09:09.04 | skaught | hehe |
| 09:09.07 | stouset | Why run a terminal in order to execute shell commands? |
| 09:09.28 | kensuke | I think they should just burn gnome straight onto the chips |
| 09:09.34 | kensuke | i686-gnome |
| 09:09.36 | tosh| | im doing some korn shell scripting and I want to check if a certain path is a subdir of second pathname... any way of doing this using shell commands? can grep do this level of regexps? |
| 09:09.40 | _joey | debian is coming out sooooon |
| 09:09.42 | Delph | Solet-deb: because you can run the same application on the console as in X, without requiring any changes. |
| 09:09.45 | resiak | kensuke: s/ straight.*// ? |
| 09:09.46 | _joey | grr |
| 09:09.48 | resiak | kensuke: ;-) |
| 09:09.52 | _joey | stable release rather |
| 09:09.56 | _joey | what am I thinking :) |
| 09:09.58 | Delph | with the same UI. |
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| 09:10.07 | coll | stouset: to play around with what? im not even sure about whats suppose to be different |
| 09:10.18 | kensuke | :-hehehehe |
| 09:10.21 | tra1a1a | Solet-deb: the hole point of webmin is to configure your server remotely - this is why it's in web. |
| 09:10.22 | kensuke | took me a while |
| 09:10.24 | Delph | because the bandwidth needs to run it remotely are minimal. |
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| 09:10.39 | _joey | no |
| 09:10.39 | coll | stouset: other than now gnome is runing extremely slow than it was before. im assuming this new version is increadibly heavy for my system |
| 09:10.39 | Coke | tra1a1a: you can do that better using remote shells |
| 09:10.39 | stouset | At the point you're at with your deck of cards, you're running Solitaire while running under GNOME while running under X, while running under init, while running under the Linux kernel. |
| 09:10.45 | Solet-deb | stouset: yes thats what an operating system is... and i already have one... i dont want mozilla to be a sub-operating system |
| 09:10.47 | _joey | you could use ssh to configure remotely too |
| 09:10.48 | stouset | coll: What's your system specs? |
| 09:10.55 | stouset | Solet-deb: Too late. That's what init is. |
| 09:10.59 | _joey | webmin provides an interface |
| 09:11.00 | nayif | hi |
| 09:11.14 | kensuke | _joey has a point |
| 09:11.19 | tra1a1a | Coke: sure, if you know your way around all your config files, which is not always the case |
| 09:11.20 | kensuke | hi nayif |
| 09:11.20 | coll | stouset: p2 200mhz with 128mb sdram, 10gb hd, 256 swap |
| 09:11.29 | stouset | coll: Wow, probably :-) |
| 09:11.31 | coll | stouset: with woody before it ran smooth - both kde and gnome... |
| 09:11.37 | doleyb | Solet-deb: why run a program to run a program? apt-get remove bash, see what happen. |
| 09:11.38 | doleyb | He's right that web-apps for local use is usually a stupid idea, especially if you are on an OS that allows remote program interaction anyhow. |
| 09:11.41 | Coke | tra1a1a: sure it is. I have never used any type of web interface for my machine. |
| 09:11.41 | doleyb | When you have ssh, who needs anything more for remote admin? |
| 09:11.49 | stouset | coll: I use gnome myself, but you may want to use XFCE on a system like that. Even then I'm not sure how snappy it's going to run. |
| 09:11.57 | _joey | kde is zzee best |
| 09:12.04 | Coke | web interfaces are stupid. period. |
| 09:12.07 | mwilson | Since when? |
| 09:12.08 | tosh| | if you have a room full of watercooled RAM |
| 09:12.14 | tosh| | then kde is nice |
| 09:12.22 | spdf | KDE isn't lightweight though.. |
| 09:12.22 | coll | stouset: oh well, ok |
| 09:12.24 | stouset | Coke: Please don't start this argument over again. If you want to pretend you are in your mind, scroll up about half an hour. |
| 09:12.25 | s-toned | How do I emulate ALT-NUMPAD for entering ascii codes? |
| 09:12.36 | _joey | watercooled is so 20th century tech |
| 09:12.38 | mwilson | "emulate"? |
| 09:12.40 | tra1a1a | Coke: you mean for *you*. however I preffer to use webmin for setting up samba |
| 09:12.44 | coll | stouset: thats the ugliest theme ever that came with gdm :) |
| 09:12.44 | tosh| | _joey :) |
| 09:12.45 | stouset | coll: Sorry :-) Sadly, the march of progress will always pass by old hardware. |
| 09:12.48 | _joey | cool companies are using luquid metal |
| 09:12.51 | coll | stouset: i *must* replace that hehe |
| 09:12.55 | stouset | coll: Yeah. I like the debblue one with gdm-themes. |
| 09:12.58 | _joey | to cool their devices :) |
| 09:12.58 | stouset | coll: It's very nice. |
| 09:13.04 | simonrvn | why would you want to emulate borked support for codes higher than 127? ;) |
| 09:13.05 | peet | hey uhm so how do i share folders between to NIX's |
| 09:13.05 | Coke | tra1a1a: no, I mean web interfaces, as they are called, are stupid. HTML is not for GUI and HTTP is not for communicating with stateful processes. |
| 09:13.13 | coll | stouset: how do i install a new gdm theme? |
| 09:13.14 | Solet-deb | doleyb: 1) re: removing bash, fuck you 2) re: standing in my defense (sorta) thx |
| 09:13.17 | tosh| | peet ftp? nfs? |
| 09:13.18 | stouset | tra1a1a: Anyone who prefers Webmin over anything else needs to be lobotomized ;) |
| 09:13.18 | kensuke | wouldn't liquid metal be quite hot ? |
| 09:13.23 | d03boy | FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. <-- what should I do when I get this error while trying to modprobe ndiswrapper? |
| 09:13.28 | silverton | I like the smokeyblue theme for gnome myself |
| 09:13.29 | stouset | coll: Install gdm-themes package. You can configure it in GDM. |
| 09:13.32 | tra1a1a | stouset: here I am :) |
| 09:13.34 | silverton | is there a place to download more themes? |
| 09:13.35 | peet | tosh|: is nfs hard to set up? :( |
| 09:13.35 | simonrvn | kensuke: usually. not always |
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| 09:13.37 | stouset | silverton: Industrial all the way. |
| 09:13.45 | kensuke | simonvr: I thought so ... |
| 09:13.48 | _joey | depends which metal |
| 09:13.49 | Coke | tra1a1a: either way, once you know your system it is easier to just edit the files manually and the only way to learn your system is to use it. |
| 09:13.52 | stouset | d03boy: depmod |
| 09:13.53 | coll | stouset: ahh, awesome. by the way, am i bound now to using aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 09:13.55 | kensuke | simonvr: but Im not chemist / physicist |
| 09:14.00 | Delph | Coke: HTML is for GUI; http/sessions is fine for stateful connections. |
| 09:14.02 | spdf | d03boy, Its in your /lib/modules/[kernel ver] directory? |
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| 09:14.04 | stouset | d03boy: assuming the module IS in the /lib/modules/kernel-<version>/blah/blah/blah directory |
| 09:14.07 | simonrvn | there's the mercury exception that mwilson pointed out. |
| 09:14.08 | tra1a1a | Coke: given the number of web apps I would say that plenty of people disagree with you |
| 09:14.08 | _joey | I read an article on slashdot ATI is using lequid metal to cool their latest card |
| 09:14.13 | stouset | coll: No, but lord knows you should use aptitude anyways :-) |
| 09:14.15 | s-toned | mwilson: or what do I have to do to enter ascii codes and get the character (like in wind.)? |
| 09:14.17 | Space_NL | oke .. so i have 2 sarge systems, how come 1 only needs 9mb of updates, and the other on 170mb ? .. is that only due to the difference in kernel ? (1 running a bit older 2.4.18 586 version, the other a pretty new 2.4.27 686 version ? |
| 09:14.22 | Delph | and the discussion is about webapps, not about webmin. |
| 09:14.23 | _joey | :) |
| 09:14.31 | Coke | tra1a1a: plenty of people are morons |
| 09:14.31 | kensuke | _joey: interesting. What metal ? |
| 09:14.39 | _joey | it's very new may not even be a feasible solution |
| 09:14.45 | coll | stouset: yeah so thats what im asking. should i be doing aptitude install, etc...? is that the replacement of apt for sarge? |
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| 09:14.50 | tra1a1a | Coke: didn't I say the same right in the beginning? |
| 09:14.56 | kensuke | _joey: but fliping cool none the less |
| 09:15.11 | stouset | coll: No. apt-get is still just fine. But aptitude is nice, because it lets you manage dependencies easily. |
| 09:15.12 | Space_NL | coll: u can use them both, i still use apt, but i hear aptitude is a bit better. |
| 09:15.21 | Coke | tra1a1a: possibly. anyway, counting what is used more, shouldn't you be using Windows? Following your argument, that is. |
| 09:15.33 | tra1a1a | Coke: and plenty of the morons think they know better that the others and that the others are morons |
| 09:15.38 | mwilson | stouset: And is broken crap on top of that. How can you go wrong? |
| 09:15.48 | simonrvn | this is getting moronic |
| 09:15.48 | Guerin | coll: despite what Space_NL says, pick one and stick with it. Mixing apt-get and aptitude can cause some funny behavior |
| 09:15.53 | stouset | mwilson: What's broken about it? :-) Works fine for me. |
| 09:16.01 | _joey | kensuke they are not saying which metal |
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| 09:16.03 | Delph | Guerin: it can? eee. |
| 09:16.03 | alexmacy | hi |
| 09:16.13 | Guerin | Delph: /msg dpkg aptitude, read the bug |
| 09:16.14 | mwilson | stouset: The BTS is your friend. Read. |
| 09:16.21 | stouset | Delph: In the sense that when you install via apt-get, it doesn't update aptitude's dependency tracking or selections. |
| 09:16.34 | mwilson | stouset: Among other things. |
| 09:16.36 | Coke | tra1a1a: read the RFC's for HTML and HTTP and you'll see that there's nothing in there to promote building stateful graphical user interfaces. there are other more suitable technologies for that. |
| 09:16.40 | tra1a1a | Coke: did I say that anyone should use web interface only because it's widely used? |
| 09:16.46 | d03boy | i'm not sure if its in my /lib/modules/[kernel ver] dir or not... theres too darn many directories to sift through... what if its not there? |
| 09:16.52 | stouset | mwilson: M'kay. Just have never experienced problems with it myself. I assumed naturally that the BTS would be full of rare conditions. |
| 09:16.55 | Space_NL | where can i read bug numbers ? |
| 09:16.56 | coll | Guerin: alright |
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| 09:17.11 | Guerin | Space_NL: bugs.debian.org/bugnumber |
| 09:17.12 | mwilson | stouset: And you'd make an idiotic assumption like that because...? |
| 09:17.14 | Coke | tra1a1a: there was an insinuation of that. "considering the number of web apps..." |
| 09:17.16 | coll | how do i check if a package is already installed? is it apt-cache search package? |
| 09:17.23 | stouset | Coke: There's nothing in the Linux kernel for building stateful graphical applications either. |
| 09:17.31 | kensuke | coll: dpkg -l <pkgname> |
| 09:17.35 | Guerin | coll: dpkg -l packagename or aptitude search packagename |
| 09:17.38 | Subvertir | If you're really paranoid and want to use webmin, you could make it available only to 127.0.0.1 and forward X over ssh to your workstation to modify it |
| 09:17.38 | Coke | stouset: which is why people don't build GUI apps in kernel code |
| 09:17.41 | BucWheat | deadcat still lurking? |
| 09:17.44 | stouset | Coke: It's all about layers of abstraction. If you look, Google has made some DAMN sexy stateful applications on the web. |
| 09:18.02 | Coke | Delph: don't be stupid. HTML is Hyper TEXT Markup Language, not GUI language. |
| 09:18.06 | Solet-deb | rofl @ coke re kernel code gui's |
| 09:18.06 | BucWheat | 2.6.11.10 kernel config does not have Bootsplash configuration ---> |
| 09:18.06 | BucWheat | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.09 | BucWheat | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.19 | mwilson | stouset: Like what? The disaster they've made out of Google Groups? Or the mess that is GMail? |
| 09:18.24 | Delph | Coke: and user interfaces don't include text? |
| 09:18.27 | stouset | Coke: Which is also why people don't use HTTP and HTML for writing interfaces. They use javascript, DOM, etc., on top of those technologies. |
| 09:18.33 | Coke | Delph: yes, but not graphical user interfaces. |
| 09:18.43 | Delph | Coke: no graphical user interfaces include text? |
| 09:18.44 | Coke | Delph: and it was never meant for HTML to be used as an interactive GUI form. |
| 09:18.45 | Guerin | Subvertir: the biggest problem with webmin is not its hackability, it's 1) the ability to do awesome amounts of damage at the click of a mouse and 2) the fact that it teaches you to be a braindead drooling moron instead of an administrator |
| 09:18.45 | stouset | mwilson: maps.google.com is neato. Google suggest is as well. |
| 09:18.48 | mwilson | stouset: Google should be taught in user-interface classes as case-studies of how NOT to do things. |
| 09:18.55 | Solet-deb | stouset: like pepsi's mountain dew, and the 1960's ramones, google is the exception to web apps |
| 09:19.00 | Delph | Coke: it was never meant for there to be more than 10 computers in the world. |
| 09:19.03 | Coke | Delph: it's like building an application in MS Word or LaTeX. |
| 09:19.04 | stouset | mwilson: Really? I hear good things from usability folks about them. |
| 09:19.10 | Coke | Delph: who said that? |
| 09:19.11 | Delph | Coke: no, it's not. |
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| 09:19.20 | Subvertir | untrue - zope/plone have done extremely cool stateful web apps |
| 09:19.23 | stouset | Solet-deb: But that's the point we've been trying to get across all along. There's nothing inherently bad about a web application. |
| 09:19.24 | tra1a1a | Coke: should I read the rfc's and evaluate if html is good or bad for gui to know if it's more convinient for me to use webmin-samba over smb.conf? |
| 09:19.25 | matteo | Hi! |
| 09:19.27 | Coke | Delph: HTML was DESIGNED for text formatting, not GUI's. end of story. |
| 09:19.30 | stouset | Solet-deb: Like everything, it's a matter of implementation. |
| 09:19.36 | matteo | I've a little problem... |
| 09:19.40 | Delph | latex does not have a return path for information. HTML/http does. |
| 09:19.55 | stouset | Coke: So? |
| 09:19.55 | doleyb | Coke: google.com would like to disagree with that. |
| 09:20.05 | Coke | tra1a1a: no, I think you should start using your shell and learn about your system. that way you won't have to use webmin. |
| 09:20.07 | stouset | Coke: Perl was DESGINED for data extraction. |
| 09:20.08 | Guerin | tra1a1a: convenience of administering a server should NEVER be your highest priority. |
| 09:20.10 | Coke | doleyb: really? |
| 09:20.16 | Delph | Coke: why are you still talking about webmin. |
| 09:20.18 | Coke | stouset: yes, and that's all it's good for too |
| 09:20.28 | matteo | When I mount my USBPEN (fs FAT) I'd like have writing permissions also by simple user...not only by root! |
| 09:20.32 | Coke | Delph: tra1a1a mentioned it. |
| 09:20.39 | Solet-deb | stouset: i will grant that there are some exceptions ... but in general web apps are not the best place to change local settings |
| 09:20.41 | matteo | chmod doesn't work! |
| 09:20.43 | Delph | Coke: please read the last ~40 mins of chatter for background. |
| 09:21.00 | tra1a1a | Guerin: this really depends on the type of server and the security it needs, doesn't it? |
| 09:21.04 | mwilson | matteo: That'd be good, since it's not supposed to. |
| 09:21.04 | stouset | Solet-deb: What definitively makes a web application bad for it and a console utility good for it? |
| 09:21.06 | Guerin | tra1a1a: no. |
| 09:21.08 | spdf | matteo, You could add a usb group, and add the option gid=usb to your fstab |
| 09:21.10 | coll | you know when you're on an ftp and do an mget *, is there a way to approve all the files automatically? |
| 09:21.12 | stouset | Solet-deb: Ignoring implementation. |
| 09:21.13 | doleyb | matteo: edit /etc/fstab, put ,users |
| 09:21.14 | kensuke | matteo: mount -o uid=<uid>,gid=<gid> or something similar ... check out the man page |
| 09:21.21 | jm_ | coll: help prompt |
| 09:21.35 | Subvertir | stouset, more input to validate = more room for exploits |
| 09:21.35 | tra1a1a | Guerin: this was not a question actually |
| 09:21.36 | doleyb | matteo: that way, non-root people can mount the thing, and write to it. |
| 09:21.36 | coll | ahh thanks |
| 09:21.38 | stouset | Solet-deb: Hell, take a look at XUL. XUL is delivered through a web browser, and with it you can make apps that look and feel native. |
| 09:21.41 | s-toned | vdr |
| 09:21.44 | Guerin | tra1a1a: yes it was. |
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| 09:22.10 | tra1a1a | Coke: thank you, is there anything else that *you* think I should do or for the rest it's up to me to decide? |
| 09:22.21 | Coke | stouset: and that technology was designed for making applications distributed through a browser, HTML was not. |
| 09:22.24 | stouset | Subvertir: On the other hand, you tie yourself to one widely used interface, which can be buttressed against exploits by a larger number of people. |
| 09:22.26 | Solet-deb | if my screensaver settings were at http://localhost:2 (thsts 3 clicks and 19 keystrokes to get there) then i have to log in, and change what i want, then save, then close |
| 09:22.32 | stouset | Subvertir: Kind of like writing your own libraries versus using preexisting ones. |
| 09:22.34 | Guerin | xul is pretty nasty performancewise, and I get the feeling it's going to end up being the new activex, securitywise |
| 09:22.46 | Coke | tra1a1a: I pass on suggestions, not demands. It has always been and always will be your descision. |
| 09:22.48 | stouset | Solet-deb: Why can't it be a link on your desktop? |
| 09:22.49 | incorrect | i want to script dialing a modem from either bash or perl script, are there any packages that i can do this with? |
| 09:22.56 | Solet-deb | currently with xscreensaver i have to click once, move my mouse an inch and a half click again and its open thats one click and 19 keystrokes less |
| 09:23.05 | stouset | Solet-deb: Nautilus' CD burner is burn:/// but it opens when you pop in a CD. |
| 09:23.05 | spdf | Solet-deb, What is your argument? |
| 09:23.06 | Space_NL | oke, maybe a dumb question .. BUT .. 1 of my boxxes still runs woody, so when sare becomes stable .. i should change sources list .. right ? where do i change it to, and can i already do this ? |
| 09:23.09 | Guerin | incorrect: what's to script? apt-get install ppp |
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| 09:23.12 | matteo | This is the line I have in fstab : /udev/usbpen1 /usbpen auto rw,users,noauto 0 0 |
| 09:23.12 | Subvertir | and wtf does XUL do that any number of mature scripting languages/virtual machines don't already do? |
| 09:23.14 | Solet-deb | stouset becasue i dont change my screensaver often enough to need it there |
| 09:23.17 | kensuke | incorrect: script what ? |
| 09:23.22 | stouset | Solet-deb: Okay, in a preferences panel |
| 09:23.23 | incorrect | Guerin, i don't want to ppp |
| 09:23.29 | matteo | I can mount by user... |
| 09:23.30 | incorrect | i want to script the modem |
| 09:23.35 | Coke | Space_NL: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:23.41 | Guerin | incorrect: oh, i see. No idea, sorry. |
| 09:23.44 | Delph | Solet-deb: you're complaining that your web based UI is not suitable in one occasion. |
| 09:23.47 | Subvertir | incorrect, use getty and chat |
| 09:23.47 | jasoncohen | for some reason i can't login with one of my users in KDE. It sits at setting up interprocess communications and says that it can't access the DCOP server |
| 09:23.48 | stouset | Solet-deb: Why not replace your Screensaver config shortcut to a shortcut to http://localhost:2/ |
| 09:23.48 | doleyb | incorrect: maybe diald |
| 09:23.54 | simonrvn | "script the modem"? |
| 09:23.54 | Coke | Space_NL: just change the part of the lines that says "stable" or "woody" |
| 09:23.54 | kensuke | incorrect: .. you want to script the modem ? as in not using ppp at all ? |
| 09:23.55 | jasoncohen | but i can login fine with another user |
| 09:23.57 | Solet-deb | stouset: still gotta log in dont i? otherwise some one else can change my screensaver remotely |
| 09:23.58 | stouset | Solet-deb: You click on it, it takes you there. |
| 09:24.17 | Delph | Solet-deb: how can people change it remotely? It's not remotely accessable? |
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| 09:24.22 | stouset | Solet-deb: Not necessarily. The information could be preserved somehow through your session, or through flags that are automatically inserted into the link |
| 09:24.22 | incorrect | kensuke, indeed, i want to say call.sh <number> |
| 09:24.26 | simonrvn | what's hard about pon/poff? |
| 09:24.26 | tra1a1a | Coke: let me pass back a suggestion to you - when you pass suggestions try passing them based no the context of every specific problem and not using the universal "truth". That could make your suggestions much better |
| 09:24.36 | stouset | Solet-deb: the link could be to http://solet-deb:password@localhost:2/ |
| 09:24.41 | Space_NL | Coke: so i change "stable" to "woody" on my woody machine, and later change "sarge" to "stable" on the sarge box ? |
| 09:24.43 | matteo | It's correct? |
| 09:24.45 | incorrect | there are some perl modules for it, however i can't see packages for them |
| 09:25.07 | matteo | Is it correct (sorry)? |
| 09:25.07 | Solet-deb | stouset: you've now made more code just to launch the thing than is needed |
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| 09:25.08 | stouset | Solet-deb: Hell, why not have your whole damn DM run inside the web browser? Then you would simply preserve your session information natively. |
| 09:25.11 | kensuke | incorrect: so you want to connect and then send data between them, not initiating any protocol once connected ? |
| 09:25.14 | doleyb | incorrect: you can always echo 555-1926 > /dev/ttyS0 |
| 09:25.17 | stouset | Solet-deb: We're already way past that point. |
| 09:25.30 | Delph | Solet-deb: there are ways around it. There are useful web interfaces. Get over it. |
| 09:25.34 | incorrect | kensuke, i wall stick the modem into voice mode |
| 09:25.45 | kensuke | ahh ... use c |
| 09:25.47 | Solet-deb | delph: yes there are some useful ones |
| 09:25.49 | simonrvn | Space_NL: well be better to change them both to stable (eventually, like you said for the 2nd box), since woody will get no more support after about a year or 18 months after sarge releases |
| 09:25.52 | stouset | Solet-deb: Just opening the Xscreensaver config opens GTK shit, GNOME-VFS crap, CORBA shit, calls on lower level X libraries, etc. |
| 09:25.52 | Delph | Solet-deb: just not webmin. |
| 09:25.57 | incorrect | vmgetty will be the way to go, just want something very quick right now |
| 09:26.06 | Delph | Solet-deb: so edit your config files for samba, and get on with your life =:) |
| 09:26.07 | Solet-deb | but 4 usful web ui's dont justify 95.3 billion crappy ones... |
| 09:26.07 | incorrect | i am phoning mobiles |
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| 09:26.14 | incorrect | call it a wake up call |
| 09:26.22 | simonrvn | oh ok |
| 09:26.25 | kensuke | incorrect: I would use c, open the device, write to it, close it |
| 09:26.26 | stouset | Solet-deb: Hell, if everything ran inside your web browser it'd all be loaded into memory anyways. |
| 09:26.27 | Delph | Solet-deb: remind yourself never to buy anything online, ok? |
| 09:26.34 | Delph | don't touch those web forms... they're scripted. |
| 09:26.38 | Solet-deb | and as such i find it justified to say that in general they fucking suck |
| 09:26.42 | kensuke | Im sue you could do the same with perl |
| 09:26.51 | stouset | Solet-deb: And you would be right in saying that. |
| 09:26.54 | Subvertir | I would write a simple bash script to echo ATDT<phnumber> and tell chat to execute it |
| 09:26.57 | doleyb | incorrect: echo ATDT555-1973 > /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 09:27.06 | coll | if i want to temporarily disable scripts in my /etc/rc2.d cant i just chmod -x theme? |
| 09:27.06 | Subvertir | you have to initialize the modem first |
| 09:27.06 | stouset | Solet-deb: But you would be dead wrong in saying that by nature there is nothing web interfaces can do to be useful in running local applications. |
| 09:27.07 | kensuke | Subvertir: good idea |
| 09:27.13 | incorrect | doleyb, thanks |
| 09:27.16 | coll | because i did that before and im noticing now that they're back with -x |
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| 09:27.18 | Space_NL | simonrvn: well, the woody box is due for removal asap, where asap is when i changed all my services running to the sarge box, which has a much nicer proc and stuff .. (only reason i run 2 boxes .. 1 stable old machine, which is due for replacement by my "testing" box.. |
| 09:27.20 | coll | err, +x that means |
| 09:27.30 | resiak | coll: Or just mv them to start with anything other than S or K. |
| 09:27.31 | jm_ | minicom also supports some form of scripting, but it's very poor |
| 09:27.39 | resiak | coll: (such as -S or -K) |
| 09:27.43 | doleyb | incorrect: i don't remember the exact syntax though, haven't used a modem in 10 yrs, you can google for Hayes atdt codes |
| 09:27.45 | stouset | coll: update-rc.d is preferred, though. |
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| 09:27.46 | incorrect | jm_ yeah i looked at minicom scripts |
| 09:27.48 | skaught | The update-rc.d utility is helpful also |
| 09:28.00 | incorrect | doleyb, i know at commands ;) |
| 09:28.10 | resiak | coll: If you believe that update-rc.d will eat your babies, try rcconf |
| 09:28.17 | coll | alright |
| 09:28.18 | simonrvn | Space_NL: oh i see. so it won't matter for the woody box then. so yeh, that would work (s/sarge/stable/) |
| 09:28.28 | simonrvn | eventually |
| 09:28.35 | Subvertir | for i in $(cat numberlist> do echo $i >> /etc/chatscripts/script_with_init_commands_at_beginning; chat -f chatscript;done cat /etc/chatscripts/chatscript|sed 's/$1//' |
| 09:28.39 | Subvertir | or something like that |
| 09:28.48 | tra1a1a | coll: rename 's/^/1/' /etc/rc2.d/* |
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| 09:29.15 | stouset | Heading to work. See you guys in 30 =P |
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| 09:29.29 | Space_NL | simonrvn: an s/stable/woody on the old box already ? (cos i figure it messes up if it goes and mix woody and sarge if i update for security ?) |
| 09:29.32 | tra1a1a | coll: this will disable everything there if this is what you want |
| 09:29.52 | simonrvn | Space_NL: yeh, that you could do now however. it's the same right now |
| 09:30.05 | stouset | Solet-deb: We're done if you recognize defeat. |
| 09:30.14 | spdf | Solet-deb, pretty sure you should just turn it off and walk away. |
| 09:30.45 | Space_NL | simonrvn: okies, perfect thnx. (why do we even bother naming it stable then, when its new we call it "woody" .. then we change it to stable, and eventualy we change it back to woody .. sounds like extra work to me ?) |
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| 09:31.06 | bbrazil | Space_NL: it becomes 'oldstable' |
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| 09:31.08 | spdf | Space_NL, the new stable will be called sarge |
| 09:31.18 | spdf | Space_NL, Sarge is the new hotness. |
| 09:31.25 | Guerin | you could just leave it as woody |
| 09:31.25 | coll | tralala: simply renaming them to ^ |
| 09:31.27 | simonrvn | security, good design, and other "features" are usually what should be in mind when you do anything like that |
| 09:31.39 | simonrvn | Space_NL: yeh, oldstable, like bbrazil said |
| 09:31.41 | coll | anyhow, i have some things which i dont know what they do |
| 09:31.55 | Solet-deb | running an ap with mozilla and running mozilla with xf86 has go to take more resources than just running the damned app with xf86 |
| 09:31.58 | stouset | Etch is 4.0, correct? |
| 09:32.05 | tra1a1a | coll: no, it simply adds 1 in the beginnig of each name |
| 09:32.14 | Guerin | stouset: will be |
| 09:32.16 | simonrvn | no, dunno what it is yet |
| 09:32.17 | skaught | Solet-deb: what if you're got 50 apps running? Each implementing their own toolkit? |
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| 09:32.23 | stouset | Solet-deb: Well, running an app using native X calls takes less resources than running it using GTK, doesn't it? |
| 09:32.25 | simonrvn | Guerin: 4.0? |
| 09:32.26 | skaught | Solet-deb: Then it's a different story |
| 09:32.30 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeah. |
| 09:32.37 | Guerin | was decided ages ago |
| 09:32.37 | coll | like nfs-kernel-server, dbus-1, rmnologin, stop-bootlogd, nfs-common |
| 09:32.39 | simonrvn | i see. ok |
| 09:32.52 | Subvertir | I think the point is that by running mozilla you've already got the library loaded |
| 09:32.55 | tra1a1a | coll: but if you want to disable only a specific service you should better use update-rc.d |
| 09:32.57 | coll | and there's also an fam thing in there |
| 09:33.09 | Solet-deb | skaught but 50 web aps + 50 mozillas is still more than 50 apps |
| 09:33.10 | stouset | Solet-deb: At *every* level you go, you make choices and sacrifices like that. What makes any particular level of abstraction the optimal solution? Nothing, except personal preference and circumstance. |
| 09:33.13 | Space_NL | so do i so /s/stable/woody or do i /s/stable/oldstable ? |
| 09:33.13 | Guerin | coll: you don't need nfs? |
| 09:33.21 | skaught | Solet-deb: WTF. Ever heard of shared libraries? |
| 09:33.26 | stouset | Solet-deb: Not if each implements their own version of features that Mozilla supports. |
| 09:33.31 | Guerin | Space_NL: woody will be fine |
| 09:33.34 | coll | nfs means working windows stuff, no? |
| 09:33.45 | Guerin | coll: no. |
| 09:33.47 | coll | or am i confusing that with ntfs.. |
| 09:33.48 | Guerin | !nfs |
| 09:33.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 09:33.48 | Space_NL | (personaly, i would prefer just naming it woody and sarge, and not bother naming it stable or oldstable .. i mean .. i know its stable or not .. no need to name it like that ) |
| 09:33.51 | simonrvn | Space_NL: er, that's s/foo/bar/, FYI :) |
| 09:33.57 | skaught | coll: If you don't know what it is, don't worry about it ;) |
| 09:34.15 | coll | dont think i ever used that. i dont know what it is |
| 09:34.19 | coll | i want to remove it |
| 09:34.22 | Guerin | coll: depete it then |
| 09:34.24 | simonrvn | could be s,foo,bar, too, or s#foo#bar#, ... |
| 09:34.28 | Guerin | or delete it, if you like |
| 09:34.32 | stouset | Solet-deb: At any level you go, you're adding more complexity and requiring more resources in order to receive "canned" functionality. How can you definitively say what the appropriate level of abstraction is |
| 09:34.39 | simonrvn | Space_NL: hehe |
| 09:34.55 | stouset | Solet-deb: As we get faster and faster hardware, the more abstractions we're able to satisfy at once with negligible performance hits. |
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| 09:35.10 | coll | whats the fam and dbus1 stuff? |
| 09:35.23 | skaught | coll: Either look them up, or forget about them |
| 09:35.31 | Guerin | coll: apt-cache show them and see |
| 09:35.35 | stouset | coll: Fam is for GNOME to monitor files so it can respond by refreshing the screen when files/folders are modified by things other than it |
| 09:35.49 | Guerin | not just for gnome |
| 09:35.50 | Guerin | sadly |
| 09:35.53 | coll | ahh ok, i can use apache show... true. thanks |
| 09:35.55 | skaught | coll: Just don't go deleting things you don't understand ;) |
| 09:36.01 | coll | lol yeah |
| 09:36.03 | Guerin | apache show? |
| 09:36.07 | stouset | coll: dbus is an intra-application messaging system. An implementation of IPC. |
| 09:36.08 | coll | im trying to be careful about that |
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| 09:36.16 | coll | sorry, i meant cache show |
| 09:36.22 | stouset | Guerin: Well, I know he's using GNOME :-) |
| 09:36.24 | simonrvn | er, apt-cache show, not apache show |
| 09:36.28 | coll | i was just looking at the S20apache rc.d entry :) |
| 09:36.36 | Guerin | i know that feeling |
| 09:36.42 | simonrvn | heh |
| 09:36.59 | stouset | coll: dbus is used for hal, I believe. |
| 09:37.10 | coll | well im off for a reboot to see if its all ok now |
| 09:37.10 | Solet-deb | stouset: would you agree that we are more or less arguing personal preference? i like applications... you are in love with web utilities.... and that software should come with both a web app and a real app? or atleast with the information needed to compile the web app source into a real app... |
| 09:37.16 | coll | be back in a few mins |
| 09:37.20 | coll | *hopefully* :) |
| 09:37.26 | coll | exit |
| 09:37.28 | Gone | hi |
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| 09:37.54 | Delph | Solet-deb: are you allowing a client/server interface with commands passed over http ? |
| 09:38.16 | Solet-deb | what? |
| 09:38.32 | Delph | Solet-deb: 'information needed to compile...' |
| 09:38.52 | doleyb | Solet-deb: web is real, web is not fake or imaginary. Its not your preference, but its still real. |
| 09:38.53 | Guerin | i'd like to call in an airstrike on whoever thought up the concept of branding common technologies in such a way as to make them seem uncommon and special |
| 09:39.01 | Guerin | case in point: podcasting |
| 09:39.04 | Delph | you can presumably just write a commandline application which goes and makes http pokes. |
| 09:39.53 | notty | is there a way to make access to my gateway user/password based, not ip/mac based ? |
| 09:40.04 | hblaschka | chillispot |
| 09:40.10 | Overand | Guerin: fact o the matter is, if you said 'you can use RSS enclosures to allow you to deliver RSS syndicated content binaries to your devices'.... |
| 09:40.13 | Overand | doesn't really work |
| 09:40.15 | simonrvn | fartfish |
| 09:40.29 | Gone | HOW DARE YOU NOT SAY HI TO MY TEACHER! |
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| 09:40.35 | Overand | -afk- |
| 09:40.36 | Gone | If you knew how smart he was |
| 09:40.36 | tuxinator | hi all |
| 09:40.45 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 09:40.46 | spdf | Er... |
| 09:40.47 | tuxinator | where to get chkconfig for debian sarge? |
| 09:40.47 | Gone | you would be soooooo sorry now |
| 09:40.50 | Guerin | Overand: but it's been branded to the name of an apple product |
| 09:40.55 | zeedo | Guerin: yeh and calling "establishing tcp connections to site in order to download content via http" "web browsing" is just insane |
| 09:40.58 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 09:41.00 | zeedo | Guerin: :-P |
| 09:41.06 | Gone | Please say sorry to him |
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| 09:41.13 | Guerin | zeedo: that is NOT what i'm talking about |
| 09:41.18 | Gone | I am going to call him the the laptop |
| 09:41.23 | simonrvn | Gone: bugger off. kthxbye |
| 09:41.31 | jaysin_ | sorry, my comp crashed... can i change my screen resolution from 640x480 in ubuntu? |
| 09:41.34 | Guerin | what i'm talking about is the implication that you need an ipod to podcast |
| 09:41.40 | spdf | jaysin_, Yes. |
| 09:41.43 | streuner | !hwinfosmite jaysin_ |
| 09:41.44 | dpkg | Scanning jaysin_ ... No meaningful response. Please ensure brain is connected, or return to supplier for replacement. |
| 09:41.46 | Guerin | jaysin_: #ubuntu will know how |
| 09:41.55 | spdf | jaysin_, While you're on the subject of Ubuntu. This is #debian. |
| 09:42.03 | jaysin_ | sorry |
| 09:42.08 | tuxinator | has someone an idea where to get chkconfig for debian sarge? apt-get doesn't recognize it |
| 09:42.08 | tra1a1a | tuxinator: it's called update-rc.d in debian (although it's not quite the same) |
| 09:42.12 | Gone | Ok I am going to call my teacher now |
| 09:42.15 | tuxinator | ok thanks |
| 09:42.19 | Guerin | !red hat tools |
| 09:42.19 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat Tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. |
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| 09:42.29 | simonrvn | Gone: go right ahead. see if we care |
| 09:42.33 | Gone | You better say sorry |
| 09:42.49 | Gone | simonrvn, If you knew who he is you would |
| 09:42.52 | streuner | Gone: ask a debian related question |
| 09:43.02 | Guerin | Gone: can i say it this way: "You'll be sorry if you don't STFUAD pretty soon." |
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| 09:43.22 | Gone | cya |
| 09:43.28 | Gone | as no one said sorry |
| 09:43.40 | Solet-deb | gone: go suck a horses dick |
| 09:43.41 | Gone | no one gets to see my teacher here. |
| 09:43.50 | Guerin | here's the bit where he tells us we're all going to be haxx0r3d |
| 09:43.58 | spdf | Gone, it was unlikely that anyone would have seen him at all... |
| 09:43.59 | Guerin | but his 1337 t34ch3r |
| 09:44.03 | Gone | Guerin, He isn't |
| 09:44.08 | simonrvn | oh puhleeez... s/but/by/ |
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| 09:44.12 | Gone | Guerin, He is a guiness |
| 09:44.13 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:44.17 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:44.25 | simonrvn | (sorry replying to 2 coments at once there :) |
| 09:44.26 | Guerin | send him over to my place, then, I could use a drink |
| 09:44.32 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 09:44.38 | spdf | Mmm. Beer. |
| 09:44.39 | simonrvn | evening |
| 09:44.40 | Guerin | SlayerXP: evening |
| 09:44.48 | streuner | hehe |
| 09:44.57 | Guerin | simonrvn: it can't be evening there |
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| 09:45.05 | streuner | morning TZ would be better :-) |
| 09:45.07 | simonrvn | it isn't ;) |
| 09:45.14 | simonrvn | 5:45 |
| 09:45.21 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:45.25 | streuner | am |
| 09:45.42 | simonrvn | if it were evening i'd say 17:45 :) |
| 09:46.35 | simonrvn | is Gone still ranting? |
| 09:46.42 | Guerin | he's Gone |
| 09:46.49 | simonrvn | heh, ok |
| 09:47.06 | spdf | *rimshot* |
| 09:47.11 | Solet-deb | if i were lucky this gone fuck would live in topeka and would agree to arrange a fight... cause i'm bored and not in a good mood, and beating the holy fuck out of some one sounds like fun..... :( too bad my brothers are such pussies |
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| 09:47.31 | dondelelcaro | right... |
| 09:47.32 | spdf | Solet-deb, Wow. Samba's realy got you rilled up.. |
| 09:47.37 | Guerin | Solet-deb: you can't find a place to get into a fight where you live? |
| 09:47.48 | Guerin | you really can't be trying hard. |
| 09:47.56 | Solet-deb | guerin: if you lived in topeka you'd know why... |
| 09:47.56 | germanin | hello |
| 09:48.02 | silverton | what else besides main, non-free, and contrib should I have in my sources.list? |
| 09:48.11 | Guerin | Solet-deb: give over. |
| 09:48.17 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: the question is always, "will you be alive after the fight?" |
| 09:48.20 | Solet-deb | i'm trying to get into a fight... not tryihng to get shot |
| 09:48.24 | Guerin | Solet-deb: for a start, you shouldn't have those last two |
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| 09:48.31 | spdf | Solet-deb, The first rule.... |
| 09:48.35 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: haha, i guess that's a valid point. |
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| 09:48.56 | germanin | eat my dick |
| 09:49.09 | kensuke | I just apt-get instaled putty :-) this rules |
| 09:49.11 | streuner | !fuck germanin |
| 09:49.12 | simonrvn | something wrong with a society when people shoot each other instead of having a fist fight... |
| 09:49.12 | spdf | Is it dud day? |
| 09:49.14 | Guerin | germanin: chop it off with a cleaver, mail it to me and I'll consider it |
| 09:49.28 | kensuke | !fuck yeah |
| 09:49.33 | SlayerXP | !ops germanin is a rima-tde moron, please kick it |
| 09:49.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: germanin is a rima-tde moron, please kick it |
| 09:50.06 | dondelelcaro | oh joy... |
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| 09:50.21 | Guerin | simonrvn: even knife-fights would be more civilised |
| 09:50.55 | Solet-deb | Guerin: quoi t'fais parle "ew" |
| 09:50.56 | dondelelcaro | !eternal sunday |
| 09:50.56 | dpkg | Eternal Sunday of The Clueless Mind. Yes, folks, due to popular demand, every day is now sunday. See <sunday>. |
| 09:51.01 | Delph | thought so. |
| 09:51.07 | simonrvn | Guerin: at least you have a chance of coming out of it alive (less than the fist fight, but more than the shoot-out) |
| 09:51.41 | kensuke | !sunday |
| 09:51.43 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 09:51.56 | simonrvn | though, well, depends... but technically, yes |
| 09:52.22 | doleyb | why is there a unix putty?? |
| 09:52.37 | dondelelcaro | why not? |
| 09:52.42 | spdf | doleyb, Redundancy? |
| 09:52.43 | simonrvn | for windoze weenies still transitioning to linux ;p |
| 09:52.43 | tra1a1a | doleyb: there is |
| 09:52.48 | directhex|work | erm... you're kidding, right? |
| 09:52.49 | tra1a1a | at least linux one |
| 09:52.49 | Solet-deb | accually i wouldnt mind a guy pulling a knive on me in a fight too much.... its just the guns i dont fuckin like |
| 09:53.11 | doleyb | Solet-deb: they are too random, not elegant right? |
| 09:53.45 | Solet-deb | doleyb: they are like a bad cheat code for a game thats not that hard |
| 09:53.59 | Solet-deb | and definitly not elegant |
| 09:54.02 | Guerin | well, i've got the advantage of having trained extensively with knives :) |
| 09:54.08 | Guerin | and having been a chef :) |
| 09:54.13 | Delph | eee |
| 09:54.14 | Delph | *runs* |
| 09:54.20 | simonrvn | minced long pig ;p |
| 09:54.23 | Guerin | Delph: run, furry, run! |
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| 09:54.33 | Solet-deb | hehe |
| 09:54.47 | Delph | *hop hop hop* |
| 09:54.56 | Solet-deb | see the american way seems to be "furry? where? *bang*" |
| 09:55.14 | directhex|work | don;t let any of the channel furries hear you |
| 09:55.20 | Solet-deb | it really oughta be "chase for a while, poke a little, watch it drip |
| 09:55.22 | Delph | what, all four of us? |
| 09:55.47 | nunez | Ive mounted and unmounted the cdrom drive about 8 times in a row and now it gives me a "segmentation fault"? |
| 09:55.51 | directhex|work | that's a higher percentage than the channel clunkies though |
| 09:56.07 | Solet-deb | i fuckin hate topeka... |
| 09:56.18 | Solet-deb | i raced this guy last night... smoked him horribly |
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| 09:56.30 | Solet-deb | and he throws a gatorade bottle at me as i'm slowing down for my turn |
| 09:56.37 | Solet-deb | dented my car |
| 09:56.37 | Delph | see, 4/528. That percentage is out there, in the real world too! |
| 09:56.48 | spdf | Solet-deb, Why did you fight him? |
| 09:56.49 | Guerin | i fucking hate boy racers |
| 09:57.01 | Solet-deb | not fight... street race |
| 09:57.04 | spdf | Solet-deb, rather, Why didn't you? |
| 09:57.08 | Guerin | Delph: there are FOUR of you now? |
| 09:57.11 | Solet-deb | just jumped off a light cause i was bored |
| 09:57.13 | directhex|work | children O_o |
| 09:57.49 | Solet-deb | and he decided to rev at me then try to pass... he never managed to pass cause he's in a grand am and i'm in a mercedes 190E 2.6L |
| 09:58.01 | Delph | Guerin: aye |
| 09:58.11 | Delph | well, four that i know of. |
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| 09:58.42 | Solet-deb | a quarter mile later when i'm 4 car lengths ahead of him i slow down for my turn and get a gatorade bottle thrown out of his car at mine... fuckin half full... that shit dents at 45 miles an hour |
| 09:59.09 | Guerin | hrm, why the fuck will mutt not read my imap sent dir? |
| 09:59.10 | directhex|work | child ¬_¬ |
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| 09:59.23 | Guerin | squirrelmail reads it |
| 09:59.37 | Guerin | maybe I'll fire up another client and move some shit around |
| 09:59.49 | nunez | wtf, "ls" is giving me "segmentation fault" now lol |
| 10:00.07 | spdf | Solet-deb, That story isn't as interesting as you'd think it would be.. |
| 10:00.20 | Solet-deb | i need to make remote detonating ink grenades for people like that... throw it in their window, press a button , bang splat guess what their entire interior is now neon green colored and they cant do shit cause i slowed down and they'll never know who i was |
| 10:00.23 | spdf | nunez, Sounds like you F'd something in the A. |
| 10:00.28 | Solet-deb | spdf: no it just pissed me off.... |
| 10:00.32 | doleyb | nunez: that can be you broke libc |
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| 10:01.02 | Solet-deb | spdf: just an example of how the fucks here fight dirty |
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| 10:01.58 | Desaix | Hello, is there any OSS software that can do what 'Matlab' does ? |
| 10:02.14 | directhex|work | not as much |
| 10:02.16 | Solet-deb | if some one has a problem with me and we're driving... follow my ass till i stop, then i'll fight you... leave my car alone it didnt do shit to you... if i've pissed off all 4 of you i'll fight all 4 of you but wait in line or i will have to fight dirty |
| 10:02.59 | liable | eh |
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| 10:03.48 | Desaix | directhex|work: heh, any suggestions ? |
| 10:04.33 | Solet-deb | fight dirty == http://www.soletscripts.com/escaflowne.jpg |
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| 10:04.57 | directhex|work | Desaix, pay the license, if it's the tool to suit your needs |
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| 10:06.06 | directhex|work | Desaix, you might have some luck with GNU Octave, but i think matlab is likely to be the tool you need |
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| 10:10.45 | coll | system seems good |
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| 10:11.07 | coll | for keeping sarge now uptodate with security updates all there is to it is aptitude update? |
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| 10:12.03 | liable | B"#"#"#!VB10000B1_!WJ,L5NA%]%$%s%HB#Dh%-%c%s%Z!<%s<B;\Cf!*"#"#"#B, wtf are these emails supposed to do, they have these weird rectangle characters with numbers in them, that I cant print here? |
| 10:12.04 | snail_ | coll: providing you have the security site in your sources.list |
| 10:12.35 | coll | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:12.36 | coll | this one? |
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| 10:12.49 | snail_ | liable: those weird rectangle characters are how the display system is handling unicode characters it can't find glyths for |
| 10:12.56 | snail_ | coll yep :) |
| 10:13.09 | coll | ok thanks |
| 10:13.15 | directhex|work | liable, and weird unicode characters suggests arabic, asian, or whatever |
| 10:13.26 | directhex|work | liable, so korean spam, then! |
| 10:13.29 | maja | what is dpkgs one liner for nvidia instlation ? |
| 10:13.30 | liable | yah, the last one was from china |
| 10:13.45 | directhex|work | !nvidia one-liner |
| 10:13.45 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. see <non-free sources> |
| 10:13.59 | coll | i thought dillio would be in debians archive though it cant find it |
| 10:14.05 | doleyb | coll: it is dillo |
| 10:14.11 | directhex|work | dpkg, nvidia one-liner ~= s/see /See / |
| 10:14.11 | maja | directhex|work: ta |
| 10:14.18 | coll | that could explain it |
| 10:14.23 | directhex|work | bah |
| 10:14.29 | directhex|work | dpkg, nvidia one-liner =~ s/see /See / |
| 10:14.29 | dpkg | OK, directhex|work |
| 10:14.32 | doleyb | dillio, is like, Ned Flanders |
| 10:15.16 | coll | everytime i issue aptitude install, i constantly get: The following packages have been kept back: |
| 10:15.16 | coll | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.30 | coll | is this bad? |
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| 10:16.13 | Delph | coll: it means that those packages haven't been upgraded because they need an extra package installed, or an extra package removed to be upgraded, so they've not been touched automatically. |
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| 10:17.03 | doleyb | coll: it often means the package has been replaced with a new version, but you have something else installed which depends on the old version. |
| 10:17.13 | directhex|work | coll, so if you want to force them to do something, use apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 10:17.28 | doleyb | so you won't get the new one yet, until all the dependencies have also been updated. Not a real problem. |
| 10:17.30 | coll | well aptitude has been working fine for now |
| 10:17.32 | Delph | basically you need to go see what has changed, and make a decision on what to do. |
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| 10:17.41 | libra102 | hello |
| 10:17.42 | Delph | the dist-upgrade will just do it |
| 10:17.53 | coll | apt-get dist-upgrade? not aptitude dist-upgrade? |
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| 10:18.07 | Guerin | coll: just s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
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| 10:18.53 | Guerin | you can do most all of the same things with aptitude as with apt-get; just don't mix them |
| 10:19.46 | coll | ok so im not gonna do any dist-upgrade, just use aptitude |
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| 10:20.35 | Guerin | coll: you'd better get things up-to-date. I'd use aptitude dist-upgrade and see if they come in |
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| 10:21.34 | Guerin | pwn |
| 10:21.36 | coll | ok lets see |
| 10:21.45 | stouset | I enter the room and four people get K-lined. |
| 10:21.49 | stouset | Now that's power. |
| 10:22.15 | directhex|work | you hit them so hard they fell off the internet |
| 10:22.29 | Guerin | not so different from Solet-deb really |
| 10:22.35 | Guerin | though he took a combined effort |
| 10:22.40 | directhex|work | ( http://penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2005-05-11&res=l ) |
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| 10:22.58 | Guerin | like one o' them - whadayacallems - raids on EejitQuest |
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| 10:23.14 | Guerin | yay, mutt reads my Sent dir again |
| 10:23.25 | Guerin | and turns out it'd been faithfully saving mail there all along |
| 10:23.39 | Guerin | that's what we like; an app that succeeds even when it fails |
| 10:24.11 | Space_NL | i get this error, what did i mess up ?: |
| 10:24.12 | Space_NL | vanombergen:/etc/bind# rename named.conf named.conf.old |
| 10:24.12 | Space_NL | Bareword "named" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. |
| 10:24.12 | Space_NL | Bareword "conf" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1. |
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| 10:24.16 | stouset | directhex|work: Hahahaha. |
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| 10:24.22 | crusty | uhm, hi. this is my first ever irc chat attempt, where do i go from here if looking to have some, for example chat on customising debian |
| 10:24.24 | Space_NL | hey, up to 5 lines wasnt it ? |
| 10:24.43 | Guerin | crusty: just what are you trying to do? |
| 10:24.48 | Guerin | !flood |
| 10:24.48 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 10:24.51 | stouset | crusty: Here would be the place, more than likely. |
| 10:24.59 | bbrazil | Space_NL: wrong program, use 'mv' |
| 10:25.19 | crusty | well, i don't know the commands or anything or what rooms exists, thanks |
| 10:25.26 | stouset | Space_NL: Yeah, you're looking for "mv"/ |
| 10:25.26 | Space_NL | bbrazil: man, use debian as of 99 .. and i am STILL a n00b. thnx. |
| 10:25.37 | stouset | Space_NL: We're all n00bs inside. |
| 10:25.43 | Space_NL | crusty: /list |
| 10:25.45 | bbrazil | Space_NL: rename is the name of the syscall though |
| 10:25.53 | Space_NL | woeps |
| 10:25.54 | Space_NL | thnx |
| 10:26.10 | crusty | ooooooh, world domination ;-) |
| 10:26.19 | stouset | crusty: What customization are you trying to do? |
| 10:26.38 | Desaix | libra102: dot-procmailrc : # Silently drop all asian language mail |
| 10:26.38 | Desaix | UNREADABLE='[^?"]*big5|iso-2022-jp|ISO-2022-KR|euc-kr|gb2312|ks_c_5601-1987' |
| 10:26.38 | Desaix | :0 |
| 10:26.38 | Desaix | * 1^0 $ ^Subject:.*=\?($UNREADABLE) |
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| 10:26.38 | bbrazil | Space_NL: the progrma rename does different thing depending on platform, debian one is nice - does perl regexes |
| 10:26.45 | Guerin | what the fuck |
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| 10:26.55 | crusty | ehm, well, nothing grand, just to build a firewall-distro with only specific packages added |
| 10:27.00 | Desaix | |maildir .Trash/ |
| 10:27.01 | Desaix | etc.. |
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| 10:27.06 | Guerin | Desaix: i just hit the flood factoid - did you think you were exempt? |
| 10:27.25 | Guerin | Desaix: and why are you asking procmail questions of #debian? |
| 10:27.29 | Desaix | Guerin: Not , just wasn't aware how many lines constituted a flood |
| 10:27.36 | SlayerXP | we should kickban for people who autorejoin |
| 10:27.37 | Desaix | Guerin: Not asking a procmail question |
| 10:28.01 | Guerin | Desaix: you didn't fucking READ the flood factoid i pasted not onre minute earlier |
| 10:28.03 | stouset | crusty: Don't really need a distro. Just install Debian, remove all unneeded packages, install iptables, have fun :-) |
| 10:28.33 | Desaix | Guerin: Swearing isn't necessary |
| 10:28.36 | Guerin | crusty: the benefit of debian for this job is that you get security support |
| 10:28.41 | Guerin | Desaix: i disagree. |
| 10:28.44 | crusty | stouset: well, that is exactly what i want to avoid, i feel the 'urge' for a private pacakge pool ... |
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| 10:28.53 | Desaix | Guerin: Low class |
| 10:29.04 | Guerin | crusty: you probably want ipcop or something. |
| 10:29.07 | Guerin | Desaix: no class. |
| 10:29.21 | jethro | hello #debian |
| 10:29.30 | Desaix | Guerin: I've had my kick which was punishment and now I'm back you are making a mountain out of a molehill I allready recieved my 'lump' |
| 10:29.32 | crusty | guerin: it's a distro if i'm not wrong |
| 10:29.33 | tra1a1a | Desaix: get to the point. you've been cursed because you've asked for it |
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| 10:29.50 | snail_ | jethro: hello |
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| 10:30.15 | Guerin | crusty: it is, but it's tuned precisely to do firewalling and routing |
| 10:30.20 | grumpydog | I am an old irc traditionalist, it is from the old days where flooding comes into force. Really it is not needed unless it cuts the flow of dialogue, anything more than 6 lines would be considered a flood. |
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| 10:30.32 | tra1a1a | desai: so move on and ask your question and stop flooding the chanel with out of the topic conversations |
| 10:30.55 | Guerin | crusty: if you want a no-distro distro, you want linuxfromscratch |
| 10:31.42 | crusty | Guerin : that's it, i've tested it some time ago but felt i needed more, as such my interest ... i have some idea's on what my-own-little distro should look like ... does such a project violate the debian license ? |
| 10:31.46 | nunez | whats the command to see how big a certain directory is? |
| 10:31.54 | Guerin | crusty: absolutely not. |
| 10:32.01 | Guerin | nunez: du |
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| 10:32.15 | Guerin | crusty: do what you like with it; that's what free software is all about. |
| 10:32.18 | crusty | Guerin : LFS is on my desktop ;-) i'll just have to start printing or use this old laptop as a 'book' |
| 10:32.20 | bbrazil | crusty: there's debian-from-scratch, don't know how matrue it is |
| 10:32.23 | genix_ | how do I run a if statement only if the variable is not empty: if ($test!=="") ? |
| 10:32.28 | Guerin | crusty: so, you can look at making a custom debian-installer... |
| 10:32.40 | Guerin | !custom d-i |
| 10:32.40 | dpkg | from memory, custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
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| 10:33.06 | crusty | Guerin: i've just installed Ubuntu/Hoary wich is really nice, for sure on this old IBM570 |
| 10:33.06 | crusty | è |
| 10:33.18 | genix_ | Guerin: how do I run a if statement only if the variable is not empty: if ($test!=="") ? |
| 10:33.37 | Guerin | genix_: run a test to see if it's nonzero beforehand - look at the abs guide or help test for hints |
| 10:33.43 | Guerin | why am *I* getting asked |
| 10:33.50 | crusty | bbrazil : LFS is about as mature as one wants it to be i guess, since it's from scratch ;-) |
| 10:33.55 | directhex|work | Guerin, you know all, see all |
| 10:34.03 | liable | cause you a so l33t :) |
| 10:34.09 | liable | *are |
| 10:34.12 | Guerin | i am potentially the worst shell scripter in the whole world |
| 10:34.16 | Guerin | well |
| 10:34.27 | tra1a1a | genix_: if [ -n "$test" ] |
| 10:34.39 | liable | no, that title is reserved for me |
| 10:34.48 | Guerin | maybe not the WHOLE world, but it's certainly possible i'm the worst shell scripter of the #debian regulars |
| 10:34.49 | crusty | Guerin : i'm for sure |
| 10:35.10 | bbrazil | crusty: from scratch != mature, they still pass in certain compile/configure time options that mightn't be ready for production |
| 10:35.57 | crusty | bbrazil , interesting to hear. I've been a solitary debianite for far to long |
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| 10:36.29 | genix_ | tra1a1a: if [ -n "$var" ] echo "You have selected $var" does not work |
| 10:36.29 | bbrazil | crusty: I came to debian from LFS, was going to make my own mini-distro from it until I realised debian was what I was going to end up bit, just worse |
| 10:36.38 | bbrazil | *with |
| 10:36.51 | genix_ | tra1a1a: the variable must contain something but the echo fails |
| 10:37.02 | tra1a1a | genix_: give me some details - what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 10:37.17 | yang | Which software is good for checking the structure of MP3? |
| 10:37.29 | csaba198 | hi! Could anybody advise me a scanner which is able to scan dias, and supported by linux (I checked the sane- project, but didn' t find a suitable one). (debian, sarge). |
| 10:37.33 | crusty | bbrazil : hmm, that's a true thing, typical situation heh. Ubuntu has this pretty nice thing called kickstart wich i'll probably be trying .... |
| 10:37.38 | coll | well aptitude dist-upgrade found some stuff to upgrade |
| 10:37.52 | coll | i was telling it to go on with it |
| 10:38.01 | coll | hoping that nothing will break now that i have everything runing now |
| 10:38.08 | crusty | bbrazil : actually i don't want to drop debian at all you know, just to get rid of that hurricane of packages hurld at me from time to time |
| 10:38.17 | genix_ | tra1a1a: You have it in private now, my codeexample |
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| 10:38.36 | bbrazil | crusty: aptitude with no-auto-reccomends and dependancy removal leads to a light system (mostly) |
| 10:39.01 | tra1a1a | !explain genix_ about msg me |
| 10:39.34 | crusty | bbrazil : i have my apt_preferences set but kind of shy away from aptitude after a bad experience in the early days |
| 10:39.41 | tra1a1a | genix_: test -n "$var" && echo whatever |
| 10:40.06 | Guerin | crusty: i was the same, but I recently decided to take the bull by the horns and just use it, damn the torpedoes. |
| 10:40.10 | Overand | so debian sarge intaller doesn't want to find the cd drive in MS VPC |
| 10:40.17 | Guerin | if you'll excuse the mangulated metaphors |
| 10:40.17 | tra1a1a | !explain genix_ about privmsg |
| 10:40.26 | Guerin | !tell |
| 10:40.55 | crusty | Guerin : waha !!! okay, i'll take a wash, scratch my *ss a bit and give it a a go later today |
| 10:40.58 | bbrazil | crusty: there's also debfoster and deborphan |
| 10:41.36 | tra1a1a | genix_: and if you inisist on scripting read some more about it at tldp.org and lg.net |
| 10:41.38 | bbrazil | crusty: one problem with aptitude - it uses a seperate DB for holds than apt-get |
| 10:41.44 | crusty | bbrazil : i know, they're okay, but not so great (yet) |
| 10:41.57 | bbrazil | only really matters when you transition |
| 10:41.58 | genix_ | tra1a1a: thank you, I will |
| 10:42.19 | Guerin | crusty: i needed to purge and reinstall it before starting, in order to stop certain... hangovers which result from apt-* doing different cachey and status things, but since then it's been working fine on three boxen - one sarge/sid/experimental/many 3rd-party repos; one plain sid and one plain sarge. |
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| 10:42.43 | Overand | nevermind, got it |
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| 10:43.39 | crusty | bbrazil : aha, that's something i probably didn't like at all, unless it's smaller of course .... for that matter .... what about synaptic apt dpkg ... they're not all on the same db either ... at least they got me suspicious |
| 10:43.44 | tra1a1a | genix_: s/lg/linuxgazette/ |
| 10:44.08 | Guerin | crusty: /msg dpkg aptitude; read the bug mentioned there |
| 10:44.32 | bbrazil | crusty: dpkg has nothing to do with holds, preferences etc., it only installs and removes. |
| 10:44.49 | crusty | Guerin : yeah, mixing is a delicate thing to do, i _know_ ... me i chose to go for ubuntu on desktops and debian on server(s) ... actually i just did earlier this morning |
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| 10:45.27 | Guerin | crusty: fair play. I like to stick with the devil I know. |
| 10:45.40 | Flamenca | HolaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 10:45.51 | crusty | guerin : yah, that's been my guess on debian as well ;-) |
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| 10:46.44 | Flamenca | Hay un español por hayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
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| 10:47.25 | Flamenca | venga |
| 10:47.27 | crusty | guerin : suse, redhat, mandrake, and some others all had too many issues installing, only debian seems to work on my computers .... no kiddin' either, i admire the userfriendly ness of the other distro but debian gives you control and insight, not dependancy |
| 10:47.41 | Flamenca | po vete a la mierda |
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| 10:47.55 | Topper^ | does anybody know how to set the minimum number of characters for samba passwords? |
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| 10:48.03 | genix_ | tra1a1a: One final question: $VAR MUST BE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 THEN && echo "You have selected $var" |
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| 10:48.43 | crusty | hey, how do i change my alias actually ? |
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| 10:49.50 | coll | whats gtk-config? |
| 10:50.03 | Delph | some random configuration utility for gtk, one imagines. |
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| 10:50.26 | js | genix_: if [ $VAR -gt 0 -a $VAR -lt 6 ]; then echo "You have selected $VAR"; fi |
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| 10:51.16 | d1 | nick dr.chandra |
| 10:51.21 | stouset | Jesus. Not a day goes by that I don't curse Fedora Core and RPMs. |
| 10:51.52 | Overand_ | stouset: not a day goes by that i don't curse my WRT54G and its tendency to CRASH AND REBOOT during large wifi transgfers |
| 10:51.56 | Space_NL | stouset has nothing better to do ? |
| 10:51.57 | Overand_ | or just whenever it wants to |
| 10:52.02 | Overand_ | (note my tail) |
| 10:52.09 | stouset | Space_NL: No, stouset has to administer Fedora Core servers for his company. |
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| 10:52.36 | Space_NL | ah, stouset makes a living out off cursing .. now .. that would be the kind of life i love .. lol |
| 10:52.39 | Overand_ | oh. ouch |
| 10:52.52 | Overand_ | i can replce my router. stouset can't replace his company's distro =] |
| 10:52.53 | stouset | Space_NL: And stouset is tired of hunting down random-ass RPMs, finding old versions of programs packaged for newer versions of the operating system, and in general hates the fact that there is only one of anything in RedHat. |
| 10:53.07 | genix_ | js: that gives me: [: too many arguments |
| 10:53.17 | stouset | Overand_: Sadly, no. The guy above me chose Fedora Core 3, waited just long enough for our development team to start writing for it, and then left. |
| 10:53.18 | Topper^ | does anybody know how to set the minimum number of characters for samba passwords? |
| 10:53.32 | js | genix_: test that $VAR is set first |
| 10:53.36 | Space_NL | fedora core uses redhat programs ? (heh, i only use debian, never bothered to look beyond it ..) |
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| 10:54.00 | coll | seems like i dont have gtk, since 'which gtk' returns nothing |
| 10:54.11 | Overand_ | stouset: ugh |
| 10:54.15 | Overand_ | that's a pain |
| 10:54.21 | Overand_ | (also, while we were talking, wifi went down again) |
| 10:54.23 | directhex|work | Space_NL, red hat no longer exists as a distro. defora is the free, beta-grade release, for red hat enterprise edfition |
| 10:54.24 | genix_ | js: test -n "$var" if [ $VAR -gt 0 -a $VAR -lt 6 ]; then echo "You have selected $VAR"; fi ? |
| 10:54.35 | stouset | Overand_: It's a webapp, so the distro is pretty much arbitrary. Unfortunately, our developers have no idea how to write applications that aren't tightly bound to whatever environment they're running on. I swear to god we're having to undo minor bugfixes to PHP and ODBC that break our code, with every version. |
| 10:54.38 | snail_ | Topper^: ask in #samba ? |
| 10:54.46 | crusty | Topper^ : ehm, the smb config file ? |
| 10:54.47 | stouset | coll: gtk isn't an executable, it's a library :-) |
| 10:54.48 | Space_NL | directhex|work: thnx for the info |
| 10:54.51 | js | genix_: if [ -n $VAR ]; then if [ blabla ]; then ... fi; fi |
| 10:55.03 | js | genix_: use test or [ ], but its good to be consistent |
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| 10:55.15 | coll | stouset: how do i check if i have it installed? |
| 10:55.21 | Overand_ | stouset: ouch |
| 10:55.24 | Overand_ | well... good luck |
| 10:55.27 | directhex|work | stouset, takes skill & experience to only program for bugs, not for systems |
| 10:55.41 | To_Sem_Ideia_Pra | how i can see de uptime of my conection with internet |
| 10:55.43 | stouset | coll: You have it installed if you have anything GNOME installed. |
| 10:56.04 | coll | i do have gnome runing now |
| 10:56.05 | stouset | directhex|work: skill and experience are not exactly terms I would readily associate with our developers. |
| 10:56.09 | stouset | coll: Then you have GTK :-) |
| 10:56.23 | coll | i figured i would |
| 10:56.52 | coll | nessus wants gtk-config though |
| 10:56.57 | genix_ | js: if [ -n $VAR -gt 0 -a $VAR -lt 6]; then echo "You have selected $VAR"; fi is not working |
| 10:57.34 | js | genix_: thats not what i said |
| 10:57.51 | ralf | hi all |
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| 10:58.14 | stouset | coll: Nessus is a flaming pile of crap :-) |
| 10:58.19 | genix_ | js: hmm, it's to complicated right now |
| 10:58.44 | ralf | how can I set up a transparent proxy on a machine that isn't the gateway? |
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| 10:59.25 | js | genix_: if [ -n "$VAR" ]; then if [ $VAR -gt 0 -a $VAR -lt 6 ]; then echo "You have selected $VAR"; fi; fi |
| 10:59.27 | kps | how do i create /usr/lib/ispell/english.hash ? |
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| 11:00.54 | coll | stouset: really? what are you using? |
| 11:00.56 | genix_ | js: ok, does not work yet, pls check: http://rafb.net/paste/results/y0tnzg86.html |
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| 11:01.22 | stouset | coll: nessus :-( |
| 11:01.23 | jc-denton | t/topic |
| 11:01.26 | jc-denton | sry |
| 11:01.28 | js | genix_: you forget that its case sensitive |
| 11:01.35 | genix_ | js: ok |
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| 11:01.37 | genix_ | js: w |
| 11:01.39 | kps | ok apparently i can just make a symlink to american.hash |
| 11:01.39 | js | genix_: you read var but test VAR, they are two different variables |
| 11:01.40 | coll | stouset :) |
| 11:01.40 | stouset | coll: Hence, I am entirely aware of how much of a festering pile of crap it is. |
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| 11:02.15 | genix_ | js: the problem persist |
| 11:02.18 | coll | stouset well there's nothing better to use to check your server for security holes as far as i know of |
| 11:02.30 | Guerin | or crash your server |
| 11:02.47 | genix_ | js: http://rafb.net/paste/results/MppfqV33.html |
| 11:02.47 | coll | stouset when im runing aptitude search <package> it shows the chars v or p to the left, what do they mean? |
| 11:02.47 | stouset | coll: Yeah, I suppose. But it's largely pointless as long as you keep everything up to date. |
| 11:02.51 | coll | Guerin yeah that too :) |
| 11:02.57 | Guerin | coll: man aptitude :) |
| 11:02.59 | js | genix_: thats because select returns a string, not an integer |
| 11:03.05 | stouset | coll: The various states of installed or not-installed that the package is in. |
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| 11:03.19 | coll | well then back to man pages it is :) |
| 11:03.22 | genix_ | js: ok |
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| 11:04.00 | stouset | coll: what I really object to is the retarded "security firms" that "test your company's security" by running a Nessus scan on your network, then faxing it to you with a bill for $5,000. |
| 11:04.04 | genix_ | js: I want the user to pick a number between 1-5 and blank should not be allowed |
| 11:04.14 | liable | excellent, a dist-upgrade, and I get space back :) |
| 11:04.20 | stouset | liable: I always love that ;) |
| 11:04.26 | liable | :) |
| 11:04.30 | js | genix_: the string the user input is stored in the variable $REPLY, you could test that if you want |
| 11:04.31 | pe1 | what's the time now? |
| 11:04.37 | Guerin | !date |
| 11:04.37 | dpkg | The current date is Mon May 23 11:04:39 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
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| 11:05.00 | stouset | !findmeadate |
| 11:05.04 | coll | im not finding it there |
| 11:05.07 | pe1 | oh thanks |
| 11:05.17 | js | genix_: http://rafb.net/paste/results/3kjhmL65.html |
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| 11:05.44 | stouset | Guerin: Yes, dpkg gives in UTC because it's *NIX. If it were Windows, it would just trigger a General Protection Fault. |
| 11:05.46 | coll | im gonna go installing it anyway |
| 11:06.00 | stouset | coll: what are you looking for? |
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| 11:06.27 | js | genix_: but that breaks if someone doesnt type an integer |
| 11:06.28 | genix_ | js: the user can still type 6+ |
| 11:06.36 | genix_ | js: ok |
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| 11:07.17 | IDC | Can anyone tell me if this is correct " adduser --home /chroot/apache --shell /dev/null --no-create-home --system --group chrapax " |
| 11:07.21 | coll | stouset knowing what does v and p stands for when i run aptitude |
| 11:07.38 | stouset | coll: p is purge, I believe |
| 11:07.51 | IDC | i just want to make a chroot env. |
| 11:07.54 | coll | okie |
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| 11:08.03 | stouset | coll: v is virtual |
| 11:08.03 | Guerin | stouset: if it were windows, it'd have crashed the machine about the time it hit 5,000 factoids |
| 11:08.27 | coll | did i tell you already about how happy i am with DSL (damn small linux) which is by the way debian based? :-) |
| 11:08.33 | xst | I have some very suspicious messages in /var/log/messages: May 23 01:49:41 server kernel: device eth0 entered promiscuous mode |
| 11:08.33 | xst | May 23 01:49:41 server kernel: device eth0 left promiscuous mode |
| 11:08.43 | xst | Has I been hacked? |
| 11:08.43 | Yatesy | thats not suspicious |
| 11:08.47 | Yatesy | err no |
| 11:08.50 | Guerin | coll: yes |
| 11:09.01 | coll | Guerin: still am thrilled heh |
| 11:09.04 | Guerin | xst: are you running an ids? |
| 11:09.07 | liable | xst: do you have snort installed? |
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| 11:09.21 | xst | What's an ids? |
| 11:09.22 | Guerin | xst: run chkrootkit |
| 11:09.37 | Guerin | xst: intrusion detection system |
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| 11:09.50 | xst | Snort is not installed. |
| 11:09.57 | Guerin | xst: chkrootkit |
| 11:10.03 | Yatesy | ntop? |
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| 11:10.13 | xst | What package contain chrootkit? |
| 11:10.24 | Guerin | no package contains chrootkit |
| 11:10.25 | stouset | xst: chkrootkit. |
| 11:10.30 | liable | !info chkrootkit |
| 11:10.30 | stouset | xst: AFAIK |
| 11:10.40 | dpkg | chkrootkit: (Checks for signs of rootkits on the local system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.45-1 (sid), Packaged size: 228 kB, Installed size: 676 kB |
| 11:11.00 | Guerin | i have a good fun pic of chkrootkit, too |
| 11:11.10 | TheGrudge | !info chkrootkit |
| 11:11.12 | dpkg | chkrootkit: (Checks for signs of rootkits on the local system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.45-1 (sid), Packaged size: 228 kB, Installed size: 676 kB |
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| 11:11.18 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/chkrootkit.png |
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| 11:12.37 | topyli | tough choice |
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| 11:13.16 | Guerin | i hit 'no' and it seemed to work fine |
| 11:13.33 | xst | Damn! chkrootkit tells me: Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS: 600) |
| 11:13.35 | xst | What to do? |
| 11:14.12 | Guerin | xst: check the BTS entry for chkrootkit to see if you match any false-positive cases |
| 11:14.22 | Guerin | false-positives are pretty common |
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| 11:14.34 | liable | xst: is that it? |
| 11:14.52 | liable | s/it/all |
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| 11:15.11 | xst | Guerin: Thanks - I'm pretty newbie. What's the "BTS" entry? |
| 11:15.16 | xst | And how do I check it. :-) |
| 11:15.26 | liable | xst: you could also try rkhunter |
| 11:15.28 | Yatesy | its classified dhcp as a packet sniffer heh |
| 11:15.29 | xst | liable: Yes, thats pretty much it |
| 11:15.29 | topyli | bug tracking system |
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| 11:15.40 | shingouz | !bts |
| 11:15.40 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 11:16.00 | Guerin | Yatesy: hah. well, technically, it is ... |
| 11:16.05 | Yatesy | ya |
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| 11:17.56 | Yatesy | anyone whos using/has vmware installed get a few false positives? |
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| 11:18.14 | Yatesy | i've got a few lines like: /usr/lib/vmware/perl5/site_perl/5.005/i386-linux/auto/VMware/VmPerl/.exists |
| 11:18.37 | pe1 | perl is still usefull? |
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| 11:19.04 | Guerin | !test |
| 11:19.04 | dpkg | No, guerin, you're not online any more. |
| 11:19.13 | Subvertir | PWNT |
| 11:19.16 | Yatesy | lol |
| 11:19.37 | TheGrudge | !test |
| 11:19.37 | dpkg | Yes, thegrudge, you're still online. |
| 11:19.37 | Guerin | 20:16:38 < Guerin> !test 20:17:58 < dpkg> No, guerin, you're not online any more. |
| 11:19.42 | Guerin | he wasn't far from wrong |
| 11:19.47 | liable | hmm, the first page of google 'debian bindshell' shows five hits about chkrootkit :) |
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| 11:21.21 | xst | What can cause the net card to go into promiscuous mode? I still can't understand what should have caused these log entries in /var/log/messages |
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| 11:23.39 | Yatesy | xst: a package could do it |
| 11:23.47 | Yatesy | xst: or u could for that matter ;) |
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| 11:23.56 | coll | ok brb, gonna do another reboot |
| 11:24.31 | liable | now thats a different leaving message |
| 11:24.37 | Yatesy | which one? |
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| 11:24.50 | liable | 21:24 ::: hundra [hundra@xtc.df.lth.se] has quit ["Erection reset by queer."] |
| 11:24.56 | Yatesy | thats well old |
| 11:25.02 | astharot | hi, is there a way to change debian32bit installation to 64bit on a Opteron machine ? |
| 11:25.26 | Yatesy | install 64bit compiled packages instead? |
| 11:25.27 | directhex|work | astharot, yes. reinstall, with a debian-amd64 cd |
| 11:25.31 | stouset | astharot: Good question. Gut instict is no. |
| 11:25.41 | astharot | cool. thanks a lot :) |
| 11:25.49 | directhex|work | you cannot charnge arch on an installed system, end of discussion |
| 11:26.44 | tripppy | you bitches |
| 11:26.50 | tripppy | *yo |
| 11:26.53 | tripppy | soz. |
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| 11:27.28 | astharot | ok |
| 11:27.30 | Guerin | dpkg, promiscuous is <reply> If an ethernet interface is in promiscuous mode, it's grabbing and sending all the frames it can - even if they're not addressed to it. This means there is likely a packetsniffer of some sort running on the system - tcpdump and/or ethereal, snort, even a dchpd can show this. It doesn't necessarily mean you're owned. |
| 11:27.31 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 11:27.47 | tripppy | anyone using kaim? |
| 11:27.51 | gromf | hello everybody ! |
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| 11:28.06 | tripppy | sorry, kaid |
| 11:28.13 | skwashd | hi all |
| 11:28.15 | astharot | so what are the debian images to use on an opteron ? |
| 11:28.20 | tripppy | hi |
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| 11:28.36 | nevyn | astharot: the unofficial AMD64 port ;) |
| 11:28.39 | directhex|work | astharot, um, a debian-amd64 install cd, for the amd64 architecture |
| 11:28.39 | skwashd | i made some some network changes on the weekend ... and now one box isn't happy ... |
| 11:28.44 | nevyn | astharot: or i386 |
| 11:28.44 | directhex|work | astharot, amd64.debian.net |
| 11:28.55 | astharot | thanks |
| 11:28.58 | astharot | but it's unofficial! :P |
| 11:29.01 | directhex|work | astharot, i386 sarge has 64 bit kernels, but 32bit userspace, if that's okay |
| 11:29.02 | gromf | has somebody an acer travelmate 4150 ? |
| 11:29.02 | umbop | hmm how do i get the base path of a file through find i.e. if i do find . -name 'file' -exec mv {} newname \; i need that to be mv /path/to/file /path/to/newfile |
| 11:29.21 | astharot | directhex|work: it's not ok |
| 11:31.04 | skwashd | pam_ldap seems to work fine mostly ... but now when i try chgrp A_Group or chown :A_Group i get invalid errors |
| 11:31.04 | directhex|work | it's not? |
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| 11:31.04 | astharot | directhex|work: I need 64bit userspace |
| 11:31.04 | directhex|work | astharot, why? |
| 11:31.04 | skwashd | btw pam_ldap has worked well for ~1.5yrs on sid and now sarge |
| 11:31.05 | astharot | directhex|work: because I need 64bit compiled daemons :P |
| 11:31.05 | liable | gromf: just explain the prob, may still be able to help, even if no-one does |
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| 11:31.14 | skwashd | getent shows the groups fine |
| 11:31.17 | directhex|work | astharot, there's an amd64-libs package on i386 sarge, it allows 64 bit binaries to work |
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| 11:31.34 | doleyb | umbop: try dirname and basename. |
| 11:31.43 | skwashd | so .. the question is ... any ideas on where i should start looking ? |
| 11:31.52 | stouset | How do people get work done, now that IRC has been invented? |
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| 11:32.43 | doleyb | firewalls |
| 11:32.56 | liable | not me though, cause i'm off to bed :) |
| 11:32.56 | gromf | I have an acer travelmate 4150 with an ich6 chipset, and when I do hdparm -d1, my Debian does'nt want to activate DMA, so I have a very very slow transfer rate... |
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| 11:33.39 | tra1a1a | gromf: did you check linux-on-laptops.com? |
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| 11:33.59 | zerofree | acer sucks |
| 11:34.04 | skwashd | the changes on the weekend were ... a-g update; upgrade ... and replacing the ldap server |
| 11:34.05 | directhex|work | gromf, which kernel? |
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| 11:34.24 | gromf | tralala: yes but my laptop does not appear |
| 11:35.13 | gromf | directhex|work: 2.6.11 |
| 11:35.22 | tra1a1a | gromf: try with similar models (from the same class). It is likely that they will have the same hardware |
| 11:35.43 | gromf | zerofee: yes but when you can only buy acer... |
| 11:39.21 | skwashd | ah ... think i found it ... |
| 11:39.21 | skwashd | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 11:39.21 | skwashd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:39.26 | Matalo | what would you suggest for most easy-to-use ftpserver for debian ? |
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| 11:39.40 | gromf | tralala: this laptop is very recent and based on sonoma architecture |
| 11:40.38 | tra1a1a | gromf: sorry, I can't help there |
| 11:41.19 | skwashd | grrr no |
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| 11:42.02 | gromf | tralala: thanks a lot anyway |
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| 11:42.44 | tra1a1a | however a quick google check revealed that you're not the only one having hdd problems with this platform |
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| 11:45.03 | zerofree | gromf, i have got many problems with my ex-laptop |
| 11:45.13 | zerofree | and the customer care was very sick |
| 11:45.30 | gromf | tralala: what did you ask to google ? |
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| 11:46.05 | gromf | zerofree: do you think I can ask Acer customer care for my problem ? |
| 11:46.08 | tra1a1a | gromf: linux sonoma |
| 11:46.34 | tarzeau | is non-us still relevant? |
| 11:46.36 | tra1a1a | I don't think that the customer care will care about linux |
| 11:46.39 | jethro | damn leffe is killing me |
| 11:46.39 | Guerin | tarzeau: no |
| 11:46.39 | gromf | thanks a lot tralala |
| 11:46.41 | jethro | !non-us |
| 11:46.41 | dpkg | somebody said non-us was where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". |
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| 11:47.15 | tarzeau | Guerin: thanks. ahh my sources.list really got short now |
| 11:47.27 | Guerin | heh |
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| 11:47.50 | zerofree | gromf, sure |
| 11:47.58 | tra1a1a | gromf: you're welcome |
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| 11:48.30 | zerofree | tra1a1a, we can make some pressure |
| 11:48.31 | DragonWhelp | Hi, does anyone has expirience with an ATI-X800XL on Debian 3.0+ ? I have no suitable drivers found yet. |
| 11:48.44 | tarzeau | telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 11:49.05 | Guerin | !woody hardware support |
| 11:49.06 | dpkg | it has been said that woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (nForce*), wireless net interfaces (Bluetooth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 11:49.14 | tarzeau | what's the name of the xfree driver for "radeon" ? |
| 11:49.32 | jethro | tarzeau: doesn't work! |
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| 11:49.44 | directhex|work | tarzeau, ati. |
| 11:49.45 | Guerin | tarzeau: trick_question? |
| 11:49.45 | jethro | ah my bad, just slow |
| 11:49.54 | directhex|work | tarzeau, if you mean closed source, then fglrx |
| 11:50.00 | tra1a1a | zerofree: yeah, right... I would rather pressurise the manifacturers by buying from others that are not forcing me to by windows |
| 11:50.03 | tarzeau | Guerin: i've got a very new computer with a very new ati, yeah fglrx |
| 11:50.07 | directhex|work | !sarge hardware support |
| 11:50.07 | dpkg | well, sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. |
| 11:50.14 | tarzeau | directhex|work: i see there's nothing like "NV" for nvidia |
| 11:50.27 | tarzeau | that'd at least work "slow" |
| 11:50.31 | directhex|work | tarzeau, "ati" supports cards up to the 9800, on sarge |
| 11:50.43 | tarzeau | directhex|work: i'll try ati then. i think i did, and it didn't work |
| 11:50.57 | directhex|work | tarzeau, whereas nv supports up to the 5950 |
| 11:50.57 | tarzeau | i hate video card manufacturers |
| 11:51.03 | zerofree | tra1a1a, i don't know any company on the right way |
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| 11:51.19 | zerofree | hp too, make a lot of blablabla |
| 11:51.34 | directhex|work | for fuck's fucking sake SARGE DOES NOT SUPPORT NEW VIDEO CARDS. infcat, neither does sid. i'll generalise. DEBIAN does not support new cards. |
| 11:51.48 | tra1a1a | zerofree: non of the big names, but there are some no-name manifacturers that sell blank |
| 11:51.55 | SlayerXP | directhex|work: or more accurately, it does. |
| 11:52.00 | tarzeau | directhex|work: yes i got it, but it's hard to get, say, old cards that are not produced anymore |
| 11:52.04 | Phated | directhex|work: You forgot to capitalise. |
| 11:52.05 | Guerin | really, really brand spanking new cards, you mean. |
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| 11:52.17 | zerofree | tra1a1a, often the reacheable products are all from big companies |
| 11:52.27 | directhex|work | i think 6-12 months is a reasonable age for hardware |
| 11:52.27 | tripppy | anyone used kaid ? |
| 11:52.34 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 11:52.34 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 11:53.32 | directhex|work | 6800's are over a year old. |
| 11:53.32 | gromf | Otherwise I tried to boot on ubuntu live, but it doesn't recognize my cdrom drive... |
| 11:53.47 | f00bar | could a bad ide cable cause high CPU activity on file transfer? |
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| 11:53.58 | asuffield | f00bar: technically 'yes' but not really |
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| 11:54.30 | Renski | Can I ask a question? |
| 11:54.31 | f00bar | it could just be normal cpu activity, it is only a 266mhz |
| 11:54.31 | asuffield | there are two possible causes for high CPU load when doing IDE stuff. PIO mode, and shitty controllers |
| 11:54.41 | Guerin | Renski: you already did. Extra are $1 each. |
| 11:54.43 | f00bar | DMA is enabled |
| 11:54.44 | tra1a1a | zerofree: the easy reachable - no doubt. others are available though - you just need to look harder |
| 11:54.52 | asuffield | there is no excuse for being in PIO mode, but a dodgy cable could cause transfer errors, and that would push you out of DMA mode |
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| 11:55.10 | f00bar | would transfer errors be logged? |
| 11:55.14 | Renski | Everytime I try and change my hardware settings it asks for a password, is there anyway I can get rid of this? |
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| 11:55.30 | Guerin | Renski: define 'change your hardware settings' |
| 11:55.34 | directhex|work | tarzeau, use vesa or fglrx, or a different distro |
| 11:55.44 | Renski | Well, I click on 'configure your computer' |
| 11:55.44 | asuffield | yup, kernel message buffers would say stuff like {YourDriveIsBusted SeekError}, then 'dma disabled', 'ide0 reset' |
| 11:55.58 | Guerin | Renski: in what? gnome/kde/? |
| 11:56.05 | Renski | kde |
| 11:56.21 | f00bar | asuffield: well, dma is still enabled and I don't get those sort of errors |
| 11:56.28 | asuffield | just a crappy controller then |
| 11:56.33 | Guerin | Renski: no, you can't disable this. It's there for a reason. |
| 11:56.39 | Renski | But its annoying |
| 11:56.44 | f00bar | cyrix controller, yay |
| 11:56.52 | f00bar | and a slow cpu |
| 11:56.58 | njan | Can I ask a question |
| 11:57.01 | Guerin | Renski: security is annoying. |
| 11:57.06 | Renski | Everytime I try and do anything, it asks for the password, again and again. |
| 11:57.09 | Guerin | njan: you already did. Extra are $1 each. |
| 11:57.17 | njan | Guerin, ok, sorry. |
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| 11:57.29 | f00bar | Renski: log in as root, haha |
| 11:57.33 | Guerin | Renski: don't fuck with things so much. |
| 11:57.39 | Renski | f00bar: how do I do that? |
| 11:57.41 | njan | Guerin, where do I make payment to? |
| 11:57.44 | Guerin | f00bar: don't fucking tell people to do that, even in jest. |
| 11:57.50 | Delph | Renski: that's a bad idea. |
| 11:57.51 | Guerin | njan: debian.org/donate |
| 11:57.53 | f00bar | lol chill Guerin |
| 11:58.04 | njan | Guerin, ok, I paid.. can I ask a second question now? |
| 11:58.05 | jethro | !tell Renski -about sux |
| 11:58.07 | Renski | f00bar: please, tell me |
| 11:58.11 | asuffield | njan: you just did that too |
| 11:58.14 | Guerin | njan: you're up to $3, but go on. |
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| 11:58.23 | tra1a1a | !tell njan about ask |
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| 11:58.41 | Renski | jethro: that doesnt make much sense to me |
| 11:58.43 | njan | I can't login as root.. I don't remember installer asking me for a root password and I'm not sure what to do.. |
| 11:58.45 | f00bar | Renski: you are entering a world of pain |
| 11:58.54 | jethro | Renski: read what dpkg told you |
| 11:58.55 | Guerin | !ifrp |
| 11:58.56 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 11:59.05 | directhex|work | Renski, debian asks for a root password during install |
| 11:59.11 | directhex|work | Renski, which debian did you install? |
| 11:59.13 | Renski | jethro: yes, but ive never heard of the sux command |
| 11:59.13 | jethro | Renski: if it's not making sense, tell me how it's not making sense. if you can't explain, you don't deserve help |
| 11:59.32 | Renski | directhex|work: errr, the blue one |
| 11:59.35 | jethro | Renski: I guess you learn each and every day, that's why life isn't such a bore |
| 11:59.49 | Guerin | this guy has to be a troll |
| 11:59.49 | jethro | yeah |
| 11:59.50 | jethro | definitely |
| 11:59.57 | jethro | the blue debian, hilarious |
| 12:00.08 | njan | anyone? how I login as root? |
| 12:00.08 | Renski | 10.1 |
| 12:00.09 | tra1a1a | njan: boot a live-cd (like knoppix) mount your hdd root partition (say /mnt) and do chroot /mnt passwd (as root) |
| 12:00.16 | Guerin | Renski: open a shell up and tell us the output of dpkg -l libc6 |tail -n1 |
| 12:00.35 | Guerin | Renski: 10.1 is no version of debian |
| 12:00.38 | njan | tra1a1a, ok, sec, I have it beside me, let me boot knoppix |
| 12:00.44 | Guerin | njan: read the ifrp factoid above |
| 12:00.45 | directhex|work | 10.1 is an old version of mandrake. |
| 12:01.03 | Guerin | which is blue |
| 12:01.12 | Renski | Guerin: it says command not found |
| 12:01.17 | MobyTurbo | or a version of slackware |
| 12:01.20 | Guerin | Renski: you're not running debian. |
| 12:01.23 | njan | ok, done, tra1a1a .. I just type new password into the prompt? |
| 12:01.39 | Renski | It says debain on the box |
| 12:01.40 | njan | Renski, you used the blue one? |
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| 12:01.45 | Renski | yes |
| 12:01.47 | Guerin | Renski: it lies. |
| 12:01.48 | tra1a1a | njan: yes |
| 12:01.50 | njan | Renski, I thought I might, but I liked the brown one better |
| 12:01.57 | njan | ok, now reboot, tra1a1a? |
| 12:02.05 | f00bar | I want debian 10.1!! |
| 12:02.09 | Guerin | Renski: give us the output of cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:02.18 | Guerin | f00bar: apt-get install timemachine |
| 12:02.31 | tra1a1a | njan: unmount the partition first |
| 12:02.39 | njan | tra1a1a, ah, ok. |
| 12:02.42 | njan | tra1a1a, ok, done that.. now I reboot? |
| 12:02.48 | tra1a1a | yes |
| 12:02.49 | Phated | He'll be dead by the time 10.1 comes out, it took three years from 3.0 to 3.1! |
| 12:02.51 | njan | ok |
| 12:02.58 | Renski | Guerin: 3.1 |
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| 12:03.23 | directhex|work | something potentially debian based then. |
| 12:03.23 | njan | tra1a1a, rebooted. It's still giving me wrong username or password at the gdm screen.. |
| 12:03.35 | tra1a1a | Renski: 10.1 is most likely Mandrake. try #mandrake |
| 12:03.35 | njan | directhex|work, if it's debian based doesn't that make it debian? |
| 12:03.50 | directhex|work | njan, wanna go breathe some carbon monoxide? it's oxygen based |
| 12:03.51 | Coke | njan: no, that makes it debian based |
| 12:03.51 | f00bar | but is it blue?? |
| 12:03.57 | DragonWhelp | njan: Perhaps you have different language-settings for you're keyboard? |
| 12:04.08 | njan | DragonWhelp, no, I can type in username just fine.. |
| 12:04.13 | Renski | No, it says debain on the screen. |
| 12:04.15 | Guerin | it's mandriva now |
| 12:04.18 | Guerin | Renski: it LIES |
| 12:04.30 | Guerin | Renski: of you do; not sure which at this point |
| 12:04.30 | f00bar | debian XP |
| 12:04.37 | Renski | My background says debain |
| 12:04.39 | njan | directhex|work, we all breathe carbon monoxide all the time. :) |
| 12:04.44 | tra1a1a | njan: using X as root is not recommended. try to login in a text console |
| 12:04.45 | SlayerXP | !debain renski |
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| 12:04.55 | njan | dame problem, tra1a1a |
| 12:05.49 | tra1a1a | njan: and to be sure that you're typing the password correctly - type it on the login prompt first |
| 12:06.06 | supaman | njan: just dont press enter after it |
| 12:06.08 | f00bar | unlug your network cable then log in as root, haha |
| 12:06.15 | njan | same |
| 12:06.16 | Coke | Renski: where did you get this copy of "Debian"? |
| 12:06.17 | tra1a1a | njan: btw did your knoppix use the same keyboard layout? |
| 12:06.18 | directhex|work | njan, that would be dioxide. |
| 12:06.18 | f00bar | s/unlug/unplug |
| 12:06.27 | Renski | Guerin: I KNOW ITS DEBAIN, IT SAYS DEBAIN 10.1 ON THE CASE!! |
| 12:06.36 | f00bar | haha |
| 12:06.44 | Renski | Coke: from a magazine |
| 12:06.46 | f00bar | definitely a troll |
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| 12:07.04 | TheGrudge_ | its debian not debain |
| 12:07.04 | Coke | Renski: the version you have is 3.1 |
| 12:07.12 | Guerin | Renski: you're such a fucking tard |
| 12:07.12 | directhex|work | !ops Renski is a rather tiresome troll, please dispose |
| 12:07.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Renski is a rather tiresome troll, please dispose |
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| 12:07.15 | njan | directhex|work, I'm sure there's come Carbon monoxide in the air in most populated areas |
| 12:07.22 | Coke | Renski: it's a simple typo from the magazine editor |
| 12:07.30 | directhex|work | njan, so you don't mind me replacing your oxygen with it? |
| 12:07.40 | njan | tra1a1a, the brown login screen thing and the console thing all give wrong password |
| 12:08.02 | njan | directhex|work, never said that. damn small linux is based on debian.. it has its place, but I wouldn't replace debian with it :-P |
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| 12:08.14 | directhex|work | njan, you said based on debian == debian. |
| 12:08.29 | f00bar | pedant ahoy |
| 12:08.29 | Renski | So if it is 3.1, how do I turn of the box that asks for the password |
| 12:08.35 | njan | directhex|work, I asked, I never made the statement :) |
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| 12:08.50 | skwashd | Renski: which mag? |
| 12:08.54 | TheGrudge_ | TheGrudge_: test |
| 12:08.55 | directhex|work | njan, in that case, "no it bloody doesn't" is the answer to your question |
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| 12:09.05 | f00bar | Renski: it is asking you for a password because it needs superuser privelages and therefore a password |
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| 12:09.24 | tra1a1a | njan: did you type the password so you can see it? are you typing what you think you are? |
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| 12:09.36 | f00bar | too late |
| 12:09.37 | njan | tra1a1a, yes, I'm typing it fine |
| 12:09.59 | njan | root login does not work for me even with right password.. |
| 12:10.09 | tra1a1a | njan: are you sure that this is what you've typed from knoppix? |
| 12:10.12 | njan | am typing 'root' and 'root' in fine.. |
| 12:10.12 | njan | yes |
| 12:10.16 | Guerin | njan: you haven't fixed it, then |
| 12:10.30 | Guerin | njan: /msg dpkg ifrp and READ |
| 12:10.37 | njan | Guerin, sec, I'll try that too |
| 12:10.41 | jethro | dman I wasn't quick enough to !moron renski before you guys made him leave |
| 12:10.47 | tra1a1a | njan: yep, try the ifrp then |
| 12:10.47 | Coke | njan: what do you mean "does not work for me"? |
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| 12:11.01 | njan | Coke, I cannot login, it gives me bad username or password error message |
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| 12:11.16 | Coke | njan: is it an X login or console? |
| 12:11.21 | njan | Coke, have tried both |
| 12:11.26 | Coke | njan: oh, bummer. |
| 12:11.28 | egg|hardened | hi |
| 12:11.43 | njan | I'll try changing from 'root' to 'password' with Guerin's method.. |
| 12:12.25 | njan | ok |
| 12:12.32 | tarzeau | directhex|work: i'll try vesa |
| 12:12.32 | njan | have set password to password.. do I now rebooty? |
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| 12:12.42 | njan | yes.. ok.. |
| 12:12.49 | Guerin | njan: ifrp wouldn't work using my method |
| 12:12.49 | directhex|work | tarzeau, vesa will work. slowly. |
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| 12:12.54 | Guerin | err |
| 12:13.00 | Guerin | changing the password, I mean |
| 12:13.06 | Guerin | you have to reboot for ifrp to work |
| 12:13.16 | directhex|work | tarzeau, use hwinfo --monitor if you want your monitor h/v sync rates |
| 12:13.19 | jethro | damn apache |
| 12:13.20 | njan | Guerin, ok, I'm about to login with password now.. |
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| 12:13.37 | njan | Is giving me same error message.. bad username/password.. |
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| 12:13.50 | Guerin | njan: did you boot with init=/bin/sh ? |
| 12:14.14 | njan | Guerin, I followed the instructions and set the password with the 'passwd root' |
| 12:14.19 | tra1a1a | njan: do you have more than one root partition on that pc? |
| 12:14.24 | Guerin | njan: did you boot with init=/bin/sh ? |
| 12:14.32 | njan | tra1a1a, no |
| 12:14.34 | njan | Guerin, yes |
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| 12:14.49 | Guerin | ok, something's wildly fucked up then |
| 12:15.04 | egg|hardened | ? |
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| 12:17.04 | salahuddin | debian problem after upgrade |
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| 12:17.23 | jethro | !tell salahuddin -about smart questions |
| 12:17.23 | j_k | salahuddin: what problem? |
| 12:17.28 | salahuddin | when i wanna run rhythmbox |
| 12:17.29 | tra1a1a | njan: if you have nothing to lose reinstall and pay attention when you're asked for password |
| 12:17.40 | njan | tra1a1a, it didn't ask me for root password I think |
| 12:17.44 | salahuddin | then is shows me Failed to create the player: Couldn't initialise scheduler. Did you run gst-register? |
| 12:17.51 | Guerin | njan: then it's not debian |
| 12:18.02 | njan | Guerin, it says debian on the box.. |
| 12:18.04 | salahuddin | but whrn i run gst-register then is do not found the bin file |
| 12:18.04 | Guerin | njan: is it ubuntu or something else? |
| 12:18.06 | salahuddin | :( |
| 12:18.11 | Guerin | njan: fuckinghell |
| 12:18.25 | Guerin | njan: dpkg -l libc6|tail -n1 |
| 12:18.26 | njan | It has a nice brown box.. |
| 12:18.30 | directhex|work | salahuddin, install all the gstreamer0.8-* packages you come across |
| 12:18.35 | Guerin | !moron njan |
| 12:18.35 | dpkg | njan: You are moron #98 |
| 12:18.46 | salahuddin | ok |
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| 12:19.03 | tra1a1a | njan: paste the cd contents to #flood |
| 12:19.14 | Guerin | njan: the worst bit of this is that i recognise your nick as an ubuntu troll |
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| 12:20.59 | Koenie | Hi! I've come acress this problem a few times and I never found a solution. What is the right way to add TrueType fonts to my Debian system? I've looked at defoma, but I can't figure it out. |
| 12:21.36 | jm_ | Koenie: it depends on the apps, but try /msg dpkg font guide |
| 12:21.54 | jm_ | and use "/msg dpkg xf4 ttf" for old apps that don't use fontconfig stuff |
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| 12:22.05 | directhex|work | Koenie, to my shame, i use the font installer in kcontrol |
| 12:22.15 | Guerin | njan: so? are you going to paste the output of that command? |
| 12:22.17 | tarzeau | directhex|work: thanks alot. vesa worked |
| 12:22.18 | Koenie | jm_: Thanks, I'll have a look. |
| 12:22.27 | tarzeau | directhex|work: and it's like double fast like the nv driver on glxgears |
| 12:22.33 | tarzeau | (same machine) |
| 12:22.41 | directhex|work | tarzeau, as long as you weren't planning on using DRI or XV, vesa works |
| 12:22.46 | tarzeau | what's the worst character in a filename? yes / ... |
| 12:23.01 | Guerin | tarzeau: \n |
| 12:23.03 | Koenie | directhex|work: Yes, I can just install it as a user in gnome, but I was looking for 'the right way' to do this systemwide for all (relatively new) apps. |
| 12:23.06 | directhex|work | tarzeau, that's softrware rendered. |
| 12:23.10 | tarzeau | directhex|work: xv like the non-free application? what would i need a dri for? |
| 12:23.16 | tarzeau | directhex|work: i know |
| 12:23.23 | tarzeau | Guerin: is \n really worse than / ? |
| 12:23.31 | Guerin | tarzeau: arguable |
| 12:23.39 | directhex|work | tarzeau, xv as in xvideo, for overlay based video playback (i.e. low cpu useage, smoother video when zoomed) |
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| 12:23.47 | caphuso | / can't be in a filename on a unix system |
| 12:23.53 | tarzeau | directhex|work: what about xawtv stuff? |
| 12:23.55 | tra1a1a | tarzeau: xv = xvideo |
| 12:23.58 | directhex|work | tarzeau, and you'd need dri for, well, tv |
| 12:24.00 | tarzeau | caphuso: well it is on mac os x |
| 12:24.12 | tarzeau | caphuso: actually mac os .. and refuses to be copied to os x |
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| 12:24.37 | tarzeau | directhex|work: i see. good we don't need tv at werk |
| 12:24.44 | directhex|work | tarzeau, xawtv will try and fail to use xvideo, and fall back to high-cpu-use-and-pixelated-when-zoomed xshm |
| 12:25.01 | directhex|work | i meant 3d not tv. my brain is easily confised |
| 12:25.07 | caphuso | tarzeau: yeah, you need to rename it, not just plain copy it |
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| 12:25.37 | tarzeau | caphuso: yep thanks. the crap is the copy blocks the whole machine, and i have 100000 files of which i don't know how many are named crappy like that |
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| 12:25.48 | tarzeau | any idea how i can list only the ones wiht a / in them? |
| 12:25.49 | Polak | hi, i would like to ask if somebody knows a language translator in the command line? |
| 12:26.04 | tarzeau | Polak: for more than a word? |
| 12:26.18 | Polak | if it is possible... |
| 12:26.19 | Guerin | Polak: it's probably possible to write a script to access googlefish |
| 12:26.22 | juanmals | Polak, try reddo , it is very simple http://reddo.org |
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| 12:26.26 | jm_ | Koenie: you can put them in a dir mentioned in fontconfig's configuration files for new apps, also install x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 12:26.32 | Guerin | some versions of blootbot do it in perl, for example |
| 12:26.46 | Polak | reddo? |
| 12:27.00 | juanmals | yeah |
| 12:27.02 | opqdonut | is yp/nis still usable? |
| 12:27.07 | Polak | does it have web page? |
| 12:27.10 | darkness1 | Say is their anything out that will securely encrypt large amounts of data? |
| 12:27.11 | tarzeau | opqdonut: we use that |
| 12:27.20 | Koenie | jm_: I already got x-ttcidfont-conf. I'm trying to install the fonts in a directory under /usr/local/share/fonts now. |
| 12:27.20 | opqdonut | tarzeau: we as in? |
| 12:27.21 | Guerin | Polak: can you read english? |
| 12:27.21 | IDC | hmm |
| 12:27.21 | tarzeau | opqdonut: on 150 machines with dual nis/yp servers |
| 12:27.32 | tarzeau | opqdonut: www.debian.org/users/ ethz department of physics |
| 12:27.33 | Polak | yes |
| 12:27.43 | jm_ | Koenie: that will work OK, as long as fontconfig knows about it |
| 12:27.45 | egg|hardened | i smell the $$$ |
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| 12:27.50 | opqdonut | tarzeau: wow sounds good. is there a windoze client? |
| 12:27.51 | tarzeau | opqdonut: for windows, mac os x and linux (debian) clients |
| 12:27.57 | tarzeau | opqdonut: you must be kidding |
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| 12:28.04 | IDC | i ran 'makejail apache.py' but i forgot to disable something in php.ini now can i do 'makejail clean' in /etc/makejail ? |
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| 12:28.11 | IDC | i wanna a rollback :( |
| 12:28.17 | opqdonut | cool. i thought it was old and deprecated :) |
| 12:28.23 | Koenie | jm_: It's listed in my default /etc/fonts/fonts.conf, so I guess it should be OK. |
| 12:28.36 | tarzeau | greycat: i found the vibrating square yesterday on dlvl:48 as a valk! with 6 candles (don't ask) |
| 12:28.45 | tarzeau | greycat: and i'm still alive :) |
| 12:28.45 | jm_ | Koenie: yup |
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| 12:28.56 | j_k | tarzeau: I never got to this point.. |
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| 12:29.05 | j_k | tarzeau: despite playing for many years. |
| 12:29.07 | tarzeau | j_k: i finished once as wizard. this one will be the valk |
| 12:29.20 | tarzeau | j_k: why do you die? and where? |
| 12:30.02 | IDC | or,i simple remove the file from the chroot directory then re-run makejail ? |
| 12:30.06 | IDC | simply* |
| 12:30.14 | j_k | tarzeau: usually around D15 or something, out of a bad mistake. |
| 12:30.15 | greycat | tarzeau: haven't you ascended yet? |
| 12:31.17 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: hi |
| 12:31.17 | egg|hardened | @#$%^&&*# |
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| 12:31.25 | tarzeau | greycat: i left the game alone for a week and only continued the last two days |
| 12:31.34 | tarzeau | greycat: i did once!, but this is my 2nd ascension |
| 12:31.38 | j_k | tarzeau: I'm pretty okay with the basic stuff, done the quest many times, get to medusa occasionnaly, etc. It's just that I'm not playing long and concentrated enough. |
| 12:31.48 | tarzeau | greycat: HP:140, AC:-15, no pick-axe :) don't ask |
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| 12:32.13 | tarzeau | j_k: ever been in gehennom? www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/welcome.txt |
| 12:32.16 | Koenie | jm_: I ran fc-cache, and now I got a fonts.cache-1 in the subdirectory. So, I guess that's it, right? |
| 12:32.41 | j_k | tarzeau: yeah, although not quite often, and not for quite long :-) |
| 12:33.05 | tarzeau | j_k: you should have identified alot of items. a boh, lotsa potions by then |
| 12:33.11 | tarzeau | j_k: and some extra weapon |
| 12:33.14 | jm_ | Koenie: yes, see if fc-list picks them up |
| 12:34.11 | Koenie | jm_: Yes, they seem to be there. Thanks! |
| 12:34.19 | Subvertir | -15, I bet you think you're hardcore |
| 12:34.50 | _joey | is gnome as cool as kde ? |
| 12:34.58 | jethro | _joey: no, as sucky as kde |
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| 12:35.33 | _joey | I'd kick your butt if you don't appologize over kde |
| 12:35.39 | j_k | _joey: and as fat. I use ratpoison :-P |
| 12:35.46 | jethro | kde sucks goats |
| 12:35.48 | Koenie | jm_: Yes, seems to work fine. I now only get some error about the Symbol font, but that's a different issue. (Trying to display MathML) |
| 12:35.55 | _joey | ratpoison ?! |
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| 12:36.03 | _joey | sucks |
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| 12:36.22 | jethro | !start a de war |
| 12:36.32 | jethro | dpkg: you suck too |
| 12:36.52 | j_k | _joey: apart from being buggy, it's very cool. Who's gonna need something else that ratpoison and a few x-terminal-emulators? |
| 12:37.12 | _joey | http://www4.tpg.com.au/alexgne/cards8.png |
| 12:37.28 | _joey | I do |
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| 12:37.58 | _joey | RAM is cheap, hdd space is cheap, cpu is cheap, why not running kde? |
| 12:38.05 | jethro | _joey: youlack a my computer icon, and a few hundred shitty files on the desktop, and itll look like windows |
| 12:38.18 | _joey | what? |
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| 12:39.04 | _joey | in kde, everything is integrated, in gnome it's probably the same |
| 12:39.15 | _joey | and I've got news feeds running :) |
| 12:39.21 | beardy | _joey: WHy not use the computer to other, more useful/funny things than displaying a desktop? It the hardware is cheap I mean.. |
| 12:39.21 | _joey | have a look on the screen shot |
| 12:39.33 | jethro | _joey: I just did, it's ugly |
| 12:39.46 | jethro | _joey: you don't even have decent fonts |
| 12:39.47 | egg|hardened | jethro, i cann't agree with you more. |
| 12:39.49 | _joey | usefull, what's usefull on desktop ? |
| 12:39.58 | _joey | I've got everything I need |
| 12:39.59 | jethro | _joey: dockapps, like wmcoincoin |
| 12:40.11 | f00bar | I agree that is ugly |
| 12:40.19 | _joey | shell, interactive programming environemnt, dev utilities, network utilites , servers |
| 12:40.23 | Phated | You can probably run dockapps in KDE/Gnome. |
| 12:40.29 | egg|hardened | hmmm, step like. |
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| 12:40.46 | jethro | Phated: sure but he doesn't have any *coincoin dockapp :'( |
| 12:41.15 | egg|hardened | dockapp sucks |
| 12:41.17 | Phated | I'm loading his screenshot. |
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| 12:41.25 | jethro | X is for weenies anyway |
| 12:41.41 | tra1a1a | computers suck but we have to live with them |
| 12:41.46 | egg|hardened | weenie = hehe? |
| 12:41.49 | _joey | you are just jealous of my desktop :) |
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| 12:41.50 | Guerin | or people who like surfing the web |
| 12:41.55 | jethro | _joey: yeah sure |
| 12:42.04 | jethro | Guerin: links2 is great about that! |
| 12:42.13 | Guerin | no it ain't |
| 12:42.14 | beardy | tra1a1a: that's a surprising attitude to find in here :) |
| 12:42.26 | jethro | Guerin: why isn't it? |
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| 12:42.35 | jethro | hi karsten |
| 12:42.38 | Guerin | honestly, if I have to explain it to you |
| 12:42.45 | tra1a1a | beardy: it's my humble contribution to the "sucking" conversations |
| 12:42.47 | jethro | :) |
| 12:43.11 | tra1a1a | and it's not that far from the truth btw |
| 12:43.48 | Guerin | jethro: firefox is the only thing which keeps me tied to X |
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| 12:44.16 | jethro | Guerin: I stopped using it lately, too many holes. I ain't browsing anylonger |
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| 12:44.38 | tra1a1a | yeah, that's right! |
| 12:44.45 | jethro | Guerin: but I agree, appart from web browsing there aren't so many things requiring you to run X |
| 12:44.51 | tra1a1a | next step - unplug your pc and go live in the forest |
| 12:44.59 | jethro | tra1a1a: I use wifi |
| 12:45.01 | _joey | I can't believe people are indulging themselves configuring software in shell |
| 12:45.02 | egg|hardened | :) :) :) |
| 12:45.11 | beardy | tra1a1a: A good contribution to a discussion like that yes, about which de/wm/shell/editor/else that is "best" :) It's never any point to it.. |
| 12:45.14 | _joey | on servers on network is all right what's point on your desktop |
| 12:45.15 | jethro | _joey: that's what you do when you know |
| 12:45.28 | tra1a1a | jethro: from the power cord I meant |
| 12:45.30 | jethro | _joey: fine grain control, and better understanding ? |
| 12:45.32 | directhex|work | jethro, games! |
| 12:45.42 | jethro | directhex|work: yeah that too, but I don't play on linux much |
| 12:45.42 | jetscreamer | tabbuddy i see you've met the troll |
| 12:45.51 | Guerin | _joey: no better way to do it. If you can show me a gui which can do all the things a text edirot can do, equally well, with equal or less difficulty, i'll use it. |
| 12:46.00 | caonex | does grub have problems booting reiserfs partitions? |
| 12:46.05 | jethro | I d rather play css on windows than any other half started/finished game on linux |
| 12:46.18 | jethro | hello jetscreamer |
| 12:46.27 | jetscreamer | css? |
| 12:46.30 | tra1a1a | beardy: and still they (the conversations) are always around to entertain us |
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| 12:46.33 | jethro | counter strike sourfce |
| 12:46.33 | jetscreamer | new mod? :) |
| 12:46.36 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 12:46.37 | jethro | s/f// |
| 12:46.38 | egg|hardened | html css |
| 12:46.46 | jethro | not exactly the same as html css :) |
| 12:46.47 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, counterstrike, remade with the half life 2 engine |
| 12:47.03 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 12:47.05 | beardy | tra1a1a: yeah.. they are always around us anyway.. |
| 12:47.15 | egg|hardened | or counter strike source? |
| 12:47.25 | jethro | egg|hardened: source |
| 12:47.31 | directhex|work | sauce |
| 12:47.37 | egg|hardened | juice |
| 12:47.41 | jethro | you 're making me hungry again |
| 12:47.50 | IDC | if i want to mount /proc as /example/proc,shall i do that in /etc/fstab ? |
| 12:47.56 | Phated | Eggs. |
| 12:47.59 | jethro | I must be a walking stomach |
| 12:48.21 | Phated | Most of us are, with some additional bits. |
| 12:48.23 | Guerin | !who ate all the pies jethro |
| 12:48.24 | dpkg | Who ate all the pies? Who fat bastard jethro, you fat bastard jethro, you ate all the pies! |
| 12:48.41 | jethro | hey! I ain't fat! I m big boned! |
| 12:48.55 | Guerin | sure buddy |
| 12:48.59 | jethro | :) |
| 12:49.00 | Phated | You're only allowed to say that if you're a girl. |
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| 12:49.12 | jethro | well I wish I were fat, I m a skeletton |
| 12:49.16 | beardy | IDC: Is there any point to doing that? What are you trying to do? (Yes, in /etc/fstab) |
| 12:49.20 | egg|hardened | 111 |
| 12:49.23 | Guerin | jethro: eat more pies |
| 12:49.26 | egg|hardened | !!! |
| 12:49.26 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 12:49.31 | jethro | Guerin: doesne't work for me (tm) |
| 12:49.47 | IDC | beardy, hmm but there already has that line by default |
| 12:49.48 | Guerin | egg|hardened: have you got anything other than random shite to add to #debian this $localtime? |
| 12:50.02 | jethro | Guerin: I m eating a lot, but not taking any weight |
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| 12:50.05 | orangey | hey all! |
| 12:50.05 | IDC | beardy, i am making chroot env. for apache |
| 12:50.15 | orangey | is it possible to play a DVD ISO image with xine? |
| 12:50.20 | Guerin | jethro: worm tablets |
| 12:50.33 | Guerin | orangey: /msg dpkg dvd |
| 12:50.35 | jethro | Guerin: is this a disease? |
| 12:51.29 | Guerin | jethro: worms are. tablets are the cure. |
| 12:51.36 | Guerin | a parasite, tbf |
| 12:51.41 | egg|hardened | no clue |
| 12:51.47 | jethro | ah ok |
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| 12:52.41 | jethro | !e17 |
| 12:52.41 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. |
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| 12:54.23 | jetscreamer | orangey: mount the .iso, play it |
| 12:54.43 | orangey | jetscreamer, thank you. |
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| 12:55.13 | tripppy | how do i run kaid? |
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| 12:55.20 | Guerin | wtf is kaid? |
| 12:55.28 | loadd77 | does somebody of you guys konws a textbrowser which supports javascript something like elinks |
| 12:55.28 | tripppy | root@box:/home/dam/kaid-7.0.0.4-linux_x86/kaid# ls |
| 12:55.29 | tra1a1a | isn't the dvd format udf instead of iso? |
| 12:55.31 | tripppy | MD5SUM README WHATSNEW kaid kaid.conf |
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| 12:55.49 | jetscreamer | orangey: some programs will just read the iso w/no need to mount it, also. not sure about xine. |
| 12:55.54 | greycat | tripppy: less README |
| 12:55.56 | tripppy | kaid is a tunnelling program for the xbox |
| 12:56.11 | SlayerXP | tripppy: you could read the docs perhaps? |
| 12:56.11 | jethro | hah |
| 12:56.12 | tripppy | greycat, read me is empty |
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| 12:56.20 | greycat | tripppy: file kaid |
| 12:56.26 | tripppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.31 | Guerin | ... |
| 12:56.32 | tripppy | how do i run it? |
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| 12:56.39 | tra1a1a | !tell tripppy about paste |
| 12:56.39 | Guerin | !htfswk karsten |
| 12:56.40 | dpkg | karsten: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 12:56.41 | greycat | HOW THE FUCK DO WE KNOW IF YOU DON'T RUN file(1) FOR US?! |
| 12:56.41 | SlayerXP | tripppy: you type "less README" |
| 12:56.44 | Guerin | gah |
| 12:56.53 | tripppy | got it from http://www.teamxlink.co.uk/?go=download |
| 12:57.00 | SlayerXP | tripppy: we don't care. |
| 12:57.04 | greycat | tripppy: explain to us how this is related to Debian. |
| 12:57.06 | tripppy | oops |
| 12:57.06 | Guerin | tripppy: ask them. |
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| 12:57.23 | jethro | !lart tripppy |
| 12:57.38 | greycat | that *really* need to be cat-5-o-nine-tails |
| 12:57.47 | SlayerXP | tripppy: and I think I speak for the channel when I say so either answer the question you were asked or shut the fuck up |
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| 12:57.58 | maja | what did i forget to do if my kernal wont mount my root fs after i compile a new one ? |
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| 12:58.03 | directhex|work | i'd say cat5-o-nine-tails, cat-5 is eaiser to ignore the 5 |
| 12:58.09 | greycat | !debian kernel image |
| 12:58.09 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 12:58.13 | tripppy | im using knoppix and im not getting anyhelp in #kknoppix |
| 12:58.16 | tripppy | soz |
| 12:58.18 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 12:58.19 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 12:58.20 | SlayerXP | tripppy: tought shit. |
| 12:58.28 | Guerin | greycat in the house |
| 12:58.43 | SlayerXP | sheesh |
| 12:59.00 | jethro | damn, wasnt fast enough to knoppixsmite him |
| 12:59.21 | greycat | it's probably off-topic in #knoppix too. |
| 12:59.24 | maja | greycat: i take it that was for me. kernels compile just fine on bsd |
| 12:59.36 | greycat | maja: Debian isn't BSD. (Unfortunately.) |
| 12:59.48 | _joey | bsd is the suck |
| 12:59.51 | maja | greycat: not entirely unfortunet |
| 12:59.52 | greycat | maja: you'll note that even OpenBSD advises end users NOT to build their own custom kernel configs. |
| 12:59.56 | jethro | _joey: stfu |
| 13:00.03 | SlayerXP | http://www.hinterlands.org/linuxhate.html |
| 13:00.14 | maja | greycat: thats open |
| 13:00.17 | SlayerXP | I wrote that nearly 6 years ago |
| 13:00.29 | SlayerXP | make that 8 |
| 13:00.33 | SlayerXP | and it's _still_ valid |
| 13:00.37 | maja | i just want to know why new kernel wont mount ext file sys |
| 13:00.42 | Guerin | !geezersmite SlayerXP |
| 13:01.06 | jethro | maja: because you missed some options, or didn't address you root fs the right way |
| 13:01.07 | _joey | good thing about bsd users is that winge about gpl software infesting their OS and then it's not even functional without gcc :) |
| 13:01.25 | greycat | !custom kernel |
| 13:01.25 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD" |
| 13:01.30 | j_k | maja: what happens? are you running sid and upgraded recently? |
| 13:01.34 | jethro | _joey: good thing about bsd users is that they have good manpages |
| 13:01.51 | maja | jethro: thougth i seleced all ext2 otpions and grub is pointing right place |
| 13:02.10 | kokoko1 | jethro, good thing about bsd users is that they are just a ass in nature :) |
| 13:02.10 | greycat | maja: and your disk controller. Right. Uh-huh. |
| 13:02.11 | maja | j_k: upgraded to sarge resently |
| 13:02.23 | jethro | kokoko1: you surely don't know a lot of them |
| 13:02.26 | orangey | jetscreamer, well, mplayer appears to, but it doesn't give me the menus.. |
| 13:02.30 | maja | greycat: i have to compile all ide options in as well ? |
| 13:02.32 | tra1a1a | unfortunately until some very useful stuff makes its way into the official kernel (lirc assumed) I have to stick with the do-it-yourself kernels |
| 13:02.36 | j_k | maja: ok, then you aren't concerned by the mkinitrd big. |
| 13:02.41 | maja | thought that would be given nowrdays |
| 13:02.42 | greycat | !tell maja about custom kernel |
| 13:02.44 | kokoko1 | jethro, kinda mate :) |
| 13:02.48 | greycat | !tell maja about debian kernel image |
| 13:02.48 | jetscreamer | TAB |
| 13:03.04 | kokoko1 | ofcourse they are just like us with same ass like us ;) |
| 13:03.08 | directhex|work | *use |
| 13:03.14 | greycat | dpkg, custom kernel is also see <debian kernel image> |
| 13:03.15 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 13:03.17 | jetscreamer | orangey: ok |
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| 13:03.29 | tra1a1a | maja: what I'm doing when compiling a kernel is to take a default debian kernel .config and modify it. I suggest you do the same. |
| 13:03.45 | greycat | I suggest not compiling a kernel at all. |
| 13:03.48 | jethro | omg |
| 13:03.58 | jetscreamer | orangey: iirc vlc will give you the menus and read the .iso w/o mounting it |
| 13:04.00 | maja | tra1a1a: ok that def sounds like what i am doing wrong |
| 13:04.00 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 13:04.08 | maja | where debian keep that file ? |
| 13:04.16 | greycat | JEEEEEEEEsus. |
| 13:04.18 | jethro | calling a machine stallman, this is brilliant. I ll call my next honeypot that way |
| 13:04.21 | Guerin | actually, taking a debian .config is a BAD idea, because 99% of people forget to make the initrd for it |
| 13:04.31 | Guerin | and then it's GUARANTEED to not boot |
| 13:04.32 | tra1a1a | maja: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:04.37 | greycat | jethro: only if you have "raymond" and "deraadt" on the same network. |
| 13:04.55 | jethro | greycat: I was thinking about some place for the dear theo and esr too |
| 13:05.02 | maja | Guerin: initrd ? |
| 13:05.03 | greycat | Guerin: but then we get to smite them some more! |
| 13:05.05 | jethro | I ll just use vserver :) |
| 13:05.12 | Guerin | and don't forget gates and jobs |
| 13:05.14 | greycat | Guerin: see? maja is just a walking accident. |
| 13:05.19 | Guerin | maja: case in point. |
| 13:05.25 | jethro | no I won't name my machines with such names Guerin |
| 13:05.29 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 13:05.29 | dpkg | i guess initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 13:05.32 | greycat | maja has NO BUSINESS building a kernel. Period. |
| 13:05.36 | j_k | maja: you definitively shouldn't be compiling a custom kernel if you don't know what an initrd is. |
| 13:05.37 | tra1a1a | maja: and check man make-kpgk |
| 13:05.59 | maja | guess not |
| 13:06.02 | jetscreamer | maja: just make sure you have that backup image to boot to, and play with it all you want |
| 13:06.19 | greycat | jethro: but you're smarter than the average newbie. |
| 13:06.30 | jetscreamer | i hadtrouble with initrd when i didn't understand it |
| 13:06.33 | jethro | I m no longer a newbie!! I spent some time being flamed at here :) |
| 13:06.42 | Guerin | i had massive trouble building my kernels initially |
| 13:06.56 | jetscreamer | other thant the initrd np here |
| 13:06.58 | tra1a1a | so did I |
| 13:06.59 | jm_ | it was much simpler back in 1.2 times ;) |
| 13:07.07 | jethro | just don't know what's the big deal about initrd, when using kernel images .config as a starter |
| 13:07.30 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg sucks uname -r's .config in to use as a template |
| 13:07.33 | greycat | jethro: because if you forget the --initrd on the make-kpkg it breaks. |
| 13:07.54 | maja | i realy just want to update kernel form the 2.2.20 that came with debian, that is giveing me greaf |
| 13:07.58 | jetscreamer | only if you have initrd= in the bootloader |
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| 13:08.05 | jm_ | maja: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 13:08.05 | jethro | greycat: unless you remove something in the configuration? cause I don't recall using this --initrd switch ever |
| 13:08.05 | greycat | maja: oh you flaming IDIOT! |
| 13:08.06 | directhex|work | oh GOD |
| 13:08.10 | directhex|work | motherfucking woody AGAIN |
| 13:08.13 | greycat | maja: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 13:08.27 | greycat | or any other 2.4.18 kernel that's in woody, or upgrade to sarge. |
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| 13:08.33 | jetscreamer | no just if lilo looks for the initrd |
| 13:08.35 | directhex|work | someone just make it DIE >_< |
| 13:08.36 | jethro | greycat: but I don't recall doing anything particular to disable initrd either, I ll double check on my lappy tonight |
| 13:08.37 | jetscreamer | or grub |
| 13:08.40 | maja | greycat: thats it ? |
| 13:08.54 | greycat | !info kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 woody |
| 13:09.07 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4.18 (bf variant) on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.18-5 (woody), Packaged size: 6269 kB, Installed size: 16024 kB |
| 13:09.11 | directhex|work | greycat, why would you apt-get a bf kernel? surely you want a non-bf kernel? |
| 13:09.24 | jethro | !brf |
| 13:09.26 | jetscreamer | !directhex|work++ |
| 13:09.33 | tra1a1a | maja: if you had told us the problem right in the beginning... |
| 13:09.33 | greycat | directhex|work: 2.4.18-bf2.4 has advantages over the other 2.4.18 kernels in woody. It's non-initrd, and it might even also be non-FB, I forget now. |
| 13:09.46 | Mage\work | I use pam_ldap and pam_nss and sometimes I have strange messages in my logs : http://pastebin.com/288348 any idea ? |
| 13:10.03 | jethro | Mage\work: /j #ldap they know a lot about ldap authentication |
| 13:10.07 | greycat | directhex|work: plus, I can remember its name. I don't remember whether the -386 one in woody is -1-386 or -2-386 or what. |
| 13:10.09 | directhex|work | greycat, you're talking to the wrong person to describe the above as advantages |
| 13:10.11 | maja | tra1a1a: true though i try to work though problems |
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| 13:10.16 | Mage\work | okay |
| 13:10.27 | greycat | !bf24 |
| 13:10.27 | dpkg | bf2.4 is probably boot floppies with a 2.4.x kernel. Read the install guide (ask me about "install guide"). Press F3 when the woody CD is at the boot: prompt for a list of images. |
| 13:10.32 | maja | looked on google for upgradeing debian kernal and came up with this mtord |
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| 13:10.36 | greycat | !idepci |
| 13:10.36 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Tux cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
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| 13:10.40 | lexxan | Does anyone know how I can get a taskbar or preferably an app to put have tray icons with openbox? |
| 13:10.41 | jethro | Mage\work: where's your ldap? |
| 13:10.46 | lexxan | oops |
| 13:10.47 | tra1a1a | maja: given the number of the packages that debian has you first tool should be apt-cache search |
| 13:10.50 | lexxan | to have* |
| 13:10.55 | Guerin | lexxan: install fspanel ot some other such |
| 13:11.03 | maja | tra1a1a: will do |
| 13:11.05 | Mage\work | jethro: localhost |
| 13:11.07 | greycat | dpkg, idepci =~ s/install guide /msg dpkg install guide/<install guide>/ |
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| 13:11.21 | lexxan | okay.. one more question. Where do I put themes I manually download? |
| 13:11.23 | greycat | dpkg, idepci =~ s#install guide /msg dpkg install guide#<install guide># |
| 13:11.23 | dpkg | greycat: that doesn't contain 'install guide /msg dpkg install guide' |
| 13:11.31 | jethro | Mage\work: ouch, your paste looks weird |
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| 13:11.35 | NP_complete | hi all |
| 13:11.42 | directhex|work | omghi2u |
| 13:11.42 | Mage\work | yes .. |
| 13:11.51 | Mage\work | The services looks strange |
| 13:11.55 | greycat | bah. |
| 13:11.56 | jethro | Mage\work: didn you mangle the logfiles? |
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| 13:12.07 | Mage\work | jethro: no |
| 13:12.34 | Guerin | oh, what joy |
| 13:12.47 | Mage\work | in fact the "rtal [local]", "rtal_test", ... are strange ... |
| 13:12.53 | Guerin | there's a kernel oops bug in sid's latest 2.6.11 source |
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| 13:12.57 | jethro | Mage\work: your log entries dopn't make much sense. |
| 13:13.11 | jethro | Mage\work: exactly, that's what I m wondering about, what the fuck could that be? |
| 13:13.15 | directhex|work | Guerin, there are always massive bugs in debian 2.6 kernels |
| 13:13.27 | NP_complete | I looking for a way to do remote desktop (Gnome)? |
| 13:13.30 | Guerin | directhex|work: kernel.org ain't much better |
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| 13:13.43 | jethro | Mage\work: you should visit #ldap and ask there, they might have already seen such issues. I m kinda new to ldap stuff, so I can't help much with this problem |
| 13:13.44 | Mage\work | jethro: I have no idea ... I've already googling for it but with no result ... |
| 13:13.55 | Mage\work | I'm on #ldap .. but no answer |
| 13:14.03 | Mage\work | jethro: thanks anyway |
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| 13:14.11 | Guerin | i'm still running my own 2.6.9 on this box |
| 13:14.11 | jethro | Mage\work: just wait, they're not active as people in #debian, but as smart for sure |
| 13:14.45 | jethro | Mage\work: which debian are you using? |
| 13:14.52 | Mage\work | testing |
| 13:14.52 | directhex|work | Guerin, hate to say it, but in the case of 2.6.9+, it is |
| 13:15.01 | NP_complete | What is the best remote desktop server? |
| 13:15.05 | jethro | Mage\work: did you check the bts for such problems? |
| 13:15.14 | Mage\work | not yet |
| 13:15.15 | Guerin | directhex|work: worth using the .12 rc? sources? |
| 13:15.25 | directhex|work | Guerin, i haven't looked at .12 yet |
| 13:15.41 | Guerin | ah well, i'll see what I can do with it |
| 13:15.47 | directhex|work | Guerin, i use v4l and speedstep-centrino as my yardsticks for how well a distribution has tidied up the upstream kernel |
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| 13:16.37 | jethro | Mage\work: there's nothing on bts |
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| 13:16.56 | Mage\work | I'll submit a bug report |
| 13:17.21 | jethro | Mage\work: did it ever work ? |
| 13:17.26 | xiptos | Hi all! What is the most convenient charset to use when mounting fat devices (usb)? |
| 13:17.33 | Mage\work | jethro: it work perfectly |
| 13:17.37 | Mage\work | but thoses messages are strange |
| 13:17.41 | Guerin | directhex|work: hahah |
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| 13:17.49 | Mage\work | and I don't like strange messages :) |
| 13:17.54 | directhex|work | Guerin, debian makes a mockery of both of those. |
| 13:18.20 | xiptos | I mean when the user (me) wants to use "special" characters, such as ç or Ă£ |
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| 13:18.23 | lexxan | Ok I'm runng with openbox with gdm to login.. i put gnome-panel & in ~/.xsession and it's not loading.. any ideas? |
| 13:18.31 | directhex|work | Guerin, the complete abuse and destruction of v4l are especially impressive, speedstep-centrino is simply obsolete & in need of a patch handily pre-applied to ubuntu kernel sources |
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| 13:19.04 | Guerin | directhex|work: interesting. |
| 13:19.25 | jethro | Mage\work: I ve never seen such messages. do you use any caching feature? like nscd for instance |
| 13:19.36 | jethro | Mage\work: I don't either and I understand your worries |
| 13:19.43 | Guerin | directhex|work: i wonder if it'll stabilise afer sarge |
| 13:19.57 | FlimFlamMan | i'd like to set up some webspace where our users can upload files, add access controls to files/directories, ideally maintain their own list of guest users with access controls...- any suggestions for packages in debian-sarge that might do this? |
| 13:20.01 | Guerin | when the emphasis is on etch and new shinies |
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| 13:20.23 | directhex|work | Guerin, want a good example? do a search on pdo for packages in unstable containing cx88xx.ko |
| 13:20.24 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: apache and libapache-mod-dav |
| 13:20.33 | Mage\work | jethro: I don't use nscd |
| 13:20.56 | jethro | weird |
| 13:20.56 | FlimFlamMan | Guerin, webdav and autoindex are a problem for me - autoindex isn't showing content in directories where htaccess files exist. |
| 13:20.57 | directhex|work | Guerin, note the subarches which do & don't contain that module. hint, it doesn't compile from source on debian kernel source on my i386 machine |
| 13:21.09 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: that's fixable. |
| 13:21.19 | Guerin | directhex|work: haha |
| 13:21.41 | lexxan | Noone knows which file I use to run stuff on startup of X/ gdm & openbox |
| 13:21.44 | orangey | jetscreamer, VLC does the same thing as mplayer: it plays the whole video_ts directory (no menus) |
| 13:21.54 | greycat | ~/.gnomerc |
| 13:21.55 | apt | ~/.gnomerc is the startup file for gdm, or <hippie> .gnomerc looks like it's pronounced "no mercy", or set the DEBUG_GNOME_SESSION variable to make ~/.gnomerc act sane |
| 13:22.00 | FlimFlamMan | Guerin, how is that? |
| 13:22.04 | jethro | orangey: xcine has menus |
| 13:22.05 | directhex|work | Guerin, upstream v4l doesn't fare much better. the module maintainer has patches on his website (bytesex.org), but they won't apply against debian source, because the debian kernel team already half-applied a broken version of a patch for another v4l driver |
| 13:22.07 | jethro | orangey: xine even |
| 13:22.26 | lexxan | thanks |
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| 13:22.57 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: i ran into this, and I fixed it somehow ... by reading the doc on httpd.apache.org |
| 13:23.07 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: not precisely sure which, sorry |
| 13:23.27 | FlimFlamMan | Guerin, i've been looking for about three days and hung around on #apache for same - no solution found |
| 13:23.27 | Guerin | directhex|work: aargh. which can't easily be backed off? |
| 13:23.32 | Guerin | hrm |
| 13:23.49 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: i did it months ago - can't for the life of me remember how, and that box is dismantled now |
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| 13:24.16 | jethro | FlimFlamMan: #apache is not very usefull if you already know where the documentation is on apache website |
| 13:24.18 | FlimFlamMan | Guerin, what would you recommend other than straight webdav |
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| 13:24.26 | lexxan | Hmm ~/.gnomerc didn't work =[ |
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| 13:24.46 | jariep1_ | what is the name of the fonts package that debian 3.1 uses? |
| 13:24.49 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: an ftpd - but that means a whole lot more hassle |
| 13:24.53 | lexxan | brb |
| 13:25.00 | directhex|work | Guerin, take one kernel.org tar.bz2, extract, and do a mv linux-2.6.11/drivers/media kernel-source-2.6.11/drivers. then patch the nice pristine v4l to make it work. |
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| 13:25.21 | FlimFlamMan | Guerin, yeah, i'm looking for low-hassle, end-user-ish friendly |
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| 13:25.40 | Guerin | yeah |
| 13:26.04 | jariep1_ | can somebody help remind me how to invoke dpkg? |
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| 13:26.24 | Guerin | jariep1_: man dpkg |
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| 13:26.40 | jariep1_ | dpkg on in this channel |
| 13:26.46 | Guerin | jariep1_: if you mean the bot, just /msg dpkg badgers |
| 13:26.52 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 13:26.55 | jariep1_ | thanks |
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| 13:29.00 | lexxan | Ok.. I have gnome-panel & in ~/.xinitrc ~/.xsession ~/.gnomerc still isn't loading w/ openbox? anyone?? =[ |
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| 13:29.44 | greycat | lexxan: describe *precisely* how you are starting X. |
| 13:29.56 | lexxan | gdm |
| 13:30.01 | lexxan | logging in as a user |
| 13:30.02 | greycat | gnome session? debian session? |
| 13:30.10 | lexxan | no openbox |
| 13:30.21 | lexxan | I do have gnome installed tho.. |
| 13:30.49 | greycat | !pal gdm users |
| 13:30.51 | lexxan | I just want the panel with openbox heh |
| 13:31.02 | jetscreamer | jariep1_: /msg dpkg help, /msg dpkg listkeys <searchterm> |
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| 13:31.05 | lexxan | i removed gdm but then i got some weird GLCore error |
| 13:31.08 | lexxan | and x wouldn't start |
| 13:31.12 | Guerin | sanity would be to ditch gdm |
| 13:31.28 | Mage\work | jethro: bug submitted :) |
| 13:31.41 | jetscreamer | i like gdm, works well. kdm seems to pick up on the sessions available better |
| 13:31.55 | Guerin | lexxan: echo false > /etc/X11/default-display-manager ' killall gdm |
| 13:32.02 | Guerin | s/'/;/ |
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| 13:32.27 | jethro | Mage\work: let's hope its a debian bug now :) |
| 13:32.47 | jethro | Mage\work: or else you'll get a lart like answer :p |
| 13:33.08 | Mage\work | jethro: we'll see :) |
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| 13:33.41 | jethro | jetscreamer: try entranced |
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| 13:34.15 | jetscreamer | that's not packaged for debian i take it |
| 13:34.23 | jethro | jetscreamer: not officialy, no |
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| 13:35.21 | jariep1_ | Guerin & jetstreamer, thanks |
| 13:35.43 | jetscreamer | sure... |
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| 13:36.01 | kneet | Is linux/debian totally independant of BIOS disk size limits? I have an 80Gb disk that the BIOS sees as 14 Gb but that sarge happily boots from and sees all of - will there be problems going 100GB, 200GB etc? (2.6 kernel, grub) |
| 13:36.06 | jetscreamer | oh the bot |
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| 13:36.18 | jariep1_ | hehe, ya :) |
| 13:36.20 | jetscreamer | !botsnack |
| 13:36.20 | dpkg | thanks, jetscreamer |
| 13:36.30 | PerfDave | kneet: Yes, no |
| 13:36.37 | Guerin | kneet: i have an 80gb which detects as 80mb :) |
| 13:36.42 | directhex|work | kneet, in my experience it's fine |
| 13:36.57 | kneet | OK - good to hear - nice to get a feelgood before laying the cash on the counter :) |
| 13:37.14 | topyli | bring on the cash! |
| 13:37.19 | jetscreamer | linux bypasses the bios (is that too general a statement?) |
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| 13:37.37 | Guerin | yes |
| 13:37.39 | kneet | Not sure - I believe that it does for some things but I've never looked at the details |
| 13:37.41 | Guerin | it's totally false |
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| 13:37.52 | tra1a1a | if only we could altogether bypass it (the bios)! |
| 13:37.53 | Guerin | without bios, linux could never boot |
| 13:38.07 | Guerin | by the time linux does boot, the bios has been and gone |
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| 13:38.14 | jetscreamer | ok how about 'doesn't care once it's booted' |
| 13:38.17 | directhex|work | as long as /boot is in an area your bios can see, the rest of the disk capacity should be determined by the kernel |
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| 13:38.58 | topyli | isn't it enough when the bootloader sees your disk correctly? |
| 13:39.06 | cklennard | yes |
| 13:39.06 | lexxan | Ok I got a font error now heh.. Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! |
| 13:39.15 | kneet | topyli, but then the bootloader must be in an area the BIOS can see? |
| 13:39.15 | jetscreamer | ignore that error |
| 13:39.17 | lexxan | <-- in bitchx =] |
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| 13:39.25 | topyli | kneet: like on the mbr :) |
| 13:39.30 | Guerin | lexxan: that's a warning, it won't stop x from booting |
| 13:39.37 | lexxan | Well X isn't starting |
| 13:39.38 | Guerin | err s/booting/loading/ |
| 13:39.43 | jetscreamer | xfs is 7100 xtt is 7110 iirc |
| 13:39.44 | lexxan | It shuts down after 3 font errors |
| 13:39.47 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 13:39.54 | kneet | Don't think all of grub sits in the MBR? Just the first 512 or so? |
| 13:39.56 | Guerin | lexxan: grep ^EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 13:40.01 | jethro | lexxan: look for EE lines in XFree86.0.log |
| 13:40.13 | jetscreamer | if grub can't find /boot/grub/blah it borks |
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| 13:40.15 | Guerin | kneet: grub is a userspace program which installs a boot sector to th3e mbr |
| 13:40.26 | jethro | Guerin: I think it's (EE) not ^EE |
| 13:40.29 | lexxan | none |
| 13:40.36 | lexxan | o |
| 13:40.44 | topyli | kneet: enough of grub is on the mbr |
| 13:41.00 | kneet | So - in that case - does the BIOS have to be able to see /boot or not? |
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| 13:41.14 | lexxan | The last thing in my log are the 3 font errors |
| 13:41.24 | lexxan | no EEs |
| 13:41.28 | cklennard | kneet: no never |
| 13:41.31 | topyli | kneet: if your bootloader is on the mbr, no |
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| 13:41.50 | cklennard | kneet: bios inits the hw and then the bootloader takes over |
| 13:42.24 | lexxan | So i guess it's reinstall time |
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| 13:42.37 | kneet | OK. So - as long as you have chosen to put the boot loader in the MBR then you can ignore _all_ BIOS disk size limits totally ? |
| 13:42.46 | topyli | yes |
| 13:42.51 | kneet | :) |
| 13:42.54 | tra1a1a | lexxan: you should stop thinking as a windows user |
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| 13:43.11 | kneet | Thanks for the info folks :) |
| 13:43.14 | cklennard | kneet: well, i had to disable my secodn hd in the bios |
| 13:43.15 | lexxan | Well if it takes longer to figure out how to fix it than reinstall.. i choose reinstall =] |
| 13:43.17 | tra1a1a | try installing a font server instead (and some fonts) |
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| 13:43.41 | cklennard | kneet: else it had the wrong geometry, other option is to use |
| 13:43.44 | lfx | hi |
| 13:43.48 | lexxan | hmm root logs in fine |
| 13:43.51 | cklennard | kneet: the kernel boot cmdln |
| 13:44.12 | coachzed | How do i get the package for postgresql 8.0.3 (experimental) to show up ? My sources.lst has deb http://www.itlab.musc.edu/mirror/debian experimental main contrib non-free and deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free but apt-cache show postgresql gives me the 7.4 version. |
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| 13:44.14 | tra1a1a | maybe it will take longer but you will end up having some understanding how things work |
| 13:44.25 | tra1a1a | to me it worths the time invested |
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| 13:44.44 | lfx | i've got a problem with my siemens cx65 connected to computer via usb cable |
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| 13:45.00 | lfx | kernel sees the phone |
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| 13:45.03 | lfx | as siemens |
| 13:45.03 | topyli | coachzed: don't do that |
| 13:45.16 | coachzed | topyli, continue....... |
| 13:45.29 | topyli | coachzed: use the debian source packages to build nice ubuntu binaries |
| 13:45.30 | lfx | but it doesn't load pl2303 module |
| 13:45.31 | lfx | and doesn't use it |
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| 13:45.49 | coachzed | i'm not on ubuntu |
| 13:45.56 | lfx | someone wants to help me?;) |
| 13:46.13 | topyli | coachzed: oh, and i'm not on #ubuntu. sorry :) |
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| 13:46.19 | lexxan | thx for the help later |
| 13:46.31 | topyli | coachzed: i'd still build from the experimental sources |
| 13:46.43 | topyli | heh |
| 13:46.57 | coachzed | it says there's a package so how to just use the package ! |
| 13:47.04 | coachzed | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/misc/postgresql-client-8.0 |
| 13:47.08 | jethro | wget it, then dpkg -i it |
| 13:47.26 | coachzed | i don't see a package, i thought apt-get update would find it |
| 13:47.29 | tra1a1a | coachzed: apt-get showpkg |
| 13:47.39 | coachzed | it only shows the 7.4 version |
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| 13:48.01 | tra1a1a | so how do you know that there is 8.0 in? |
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| 13:48.08 | coachzed | here's my sources list http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/2674 |
| 13:48.15 | darkness1 | Say don't flame me but when you add a user to deb can you control and list what they have permissions too etc? |
| 13:48.31 | coachzed | doesn't this page say there's a package? http://packages.debian.org/experimental/misc/postgresql-client-8.0 |
| 13:48.33 | topyli | maybe you need to specify experimental (-t experimental IIRC) |
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| 13:49.09 | Guerin | no |
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| 13:49.18 | Guerin | nobody ever needs to specify experimental |
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| 13:49.32 | tra1a1a | did the update download the packages.gz from experimental? |
| 13:49.33 | kensuke | darkness1: Deb uses the std linux pam stuff by default. |
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| 13:49.56 | wintix | hi there. i have an debian based linux router which does NAT between eth0 and eth1. i want to forward incoming packages at eth0 on a specific TCP port to eth1 with a static destination adress. can anyone help? |
| 13:50.03 | coachzed | tralala how to tell ? |
| 13:50.55 | lfx | does someone knows how to make my debian to asociate the new usb device with a kernel module?? |
| 13:51.15 | topyli | Guerin: i suggested the source packages but no effect |
| 13:51.18 | tra1a1a | coachzed: see the ouptut of the command |
| 13:51.20 | coachzed | i changed my sources.lst to ONLY have experimental and it only has 7.5.2 version |
| 13:51.27 | kensuke | darkness1: np |
| 13:51.30 | coachzed | no 8.0.3 pg package |
| 13:51.33 | coachzed | hmm |
| 13:51.35 | Guerin | coachzed: apt-cache policy packageyouwant |
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| 13:51.57 | Guerin | and don't think your clever nick will fool me, coachz! |
| 13:51.58 | coachzed | 7.5.2 is all that command returns |
| 13:52.05 | tra1a1a | lfx: try linux-usb.org |
| 13:52.10 | kensuke | whats a good package to do network diagrams ? |
| 13:52.15 | coachzed | Guerin, did you see that strongbad changed coachz's name to coachzed ? |
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| 13:52.19 | kensuke | blush: like visio |
| 13:52.20 | coachzed | so i had to follow |
| 13:52.26 | Mage\work | kensuke: dia |
| 13:52.32 | tra1a1a | choac: I mean the apt-get update command |
| 13:52.34 | Guerin | coachzed: i don't do homestarrunner, it's all flash |
| 13:52.36 | coachzed | how's it going Guerin |
| 13:52.36 | kensuke | thanx |
| 13:52.46 | Guerin | i keep meaning to, but I don't have flash installed |
| 13:52.49 | coachzed | coachzed is the smarter version ;-) |
| 13:52.56 | lfx | tralala: i'll check, thanks |
| 13:53.03 | Guerin | coachzed: as ever. Still not reading doc, I see. |
| 13:53.13 | coachzed | what doc? |
| 13:53.19 | Guerin | ... |
| 13:53.47 | Guerin | hurry up, stupid kernel compile |
| 13:53.49 | coachzed | you got a doc on how to get this package? http://packages.debian.org/experimental/misc/postgresql-client-8.0 |
| 13:53.56 | coachzed | i'll read it |
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| 13:54.59 | topyli | get it with your browser |
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| 13:55.16 | RichiH | coachzed: ask dpkg about experimental |
| 13:55.22 | Guerin | coachzed: the reason it's in experimental is because of all the "Package not available"s |
| 13:55.25 | coachzed | ok, thanks |
| 13:55.53 | orangey | jethro, xine has menus, but it doesn't read ISOs with menus.. |
| 13:55.54 | cafuego | yaah |
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| 13:56.07 | RichiH | Guerin: i am eating these italian milk-cakes and they are just enormously delicious |
| 13:56.11 | Guerin | coachzed: that means the packages that this was built against won't build on some arch or other yet, or are so horribly bug-ridden that they're not worth using, at all |
| 13:56.32 | Guerin | coachzed: you MIGHT be able to grab the source and build it against your own versions of those libs, but all bets are off |
| 13:56.32 | coachzed | i see, thanks Guerin |
| 13:56.36 | Guerin | RichiH: milk cakes? |
| 13:56.46 | Space_NL | RichiH: rather share the milk-cakes then just the thought of it |
| 13:56.55 | RichiH | Guerin: some kinda roll with is filled with some sort of milk cream |
| 13:57.01 | RichiH | Space_NL: would if i caould |
| 13:57.19 | Space_NL | upload it to pd2spc.nl .. i love to have some :-) |
| 13:57.24 | RichiH | flauti con latte di alta qualita by mulino bianco |
| 13:57.30 | Guerin | coachzed: note also "missing dependencies are likely found in the "unstable"" - you might find some of them there, but it's clear that some missing dep is preventing this from installing |
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| 13:57.38 | RichiH | which is a daughter of barilla |
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| 13:57.58 | RichiH | Space_NL: perhaps you can get them with that info |
| 13:58.05 | RichiH | i can only say.. WOW! |
| 13:58.17 | coachzed | sounds like i can't install the package and should not bother |
| 13:58.20 | Space_NL | RichiH: in holland ? bad luck i guess .. al i can get the looks italian is pizza |
| 13:58.32 | Guerin | RichiH: cream, you mean? I'm not aware of an (edible) cream which isn't milk-based |
| 13:58.39 | RichiH | Space_NL: in germany, we have italian shops in the larger cities |
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| 13:58.50 | Guerin | i love italian food |
| 13:58.53 | Guerin | i want pannetone |
| 13:58.53 | RichiH | Space_NL: also, you guys have fla (or however you spell that) |
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| 13:58.59 | RichiH | Space_NL: which we don't :( |
| 13:59.12 | RichiH | Guerin: go for panna cota ;) |
| 13:59.19 | RichiH | pannetone is so heavy |
| 13:59.29 | Guerin | pannetone is light! |
| 13:59.32 | RichiH | italian is weird, btw |
| 13:59.38 | Guerin | (compared to most christmas cakes) |
| 13:59.41 | Space_NL | vla .. and indeed. and its odd no one can get it .. cos all foreiners i know want it ! (belgium shops just recently started selling it though .. it IS moving south!) |
| 13:59.46 | RichiH | pane == bread, panne == cake, panna == cream |
| 13:59.52 | lexxan | This is retarded that .xsession .xinitrc and .gnomerc won't work =[ |
| 14:00.00 | RichiH | and i think you write 'dog' similar to that, too |
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| 14:00.20 | RichiH | Space_NL: cah, i don't get it, either |
| 14:00.20 | Space_NL | why are people talking about weird stuff in the channel btw ? this channel is about food .. cant the n3rds go out ? :-))) |
| 14:00.30 | RichiH | it's not as if it would be that hard to produce thin pudding.. |
| 14:00.40 | Guerin | Space_NL: we talk about all manner of stupid shit in here. |
| 14:00.59 | RichiH | Guerin: he tried to get rid of the tech talk, i think ;) |
| 14:01.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 14:01.13 | ircdevil | is there a switch to ls so it only shows directories and not files - i am staring at the man page, but i cant see it? |
| 14:01.18 | mwilson | lexxan: You really have a problem with reading documentation, don't you? |
| 14:01.25 | lexxan | I am reading. |
| 14:01.45 | lexxan | and every fucking document says ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession |
| 14:01.47 | lexxan | so thanks for coming out. |
| 14:02.13 | mwilson | lexxan: Unlikely that anything at all is telling you gdm pays any attention to either one of those unless it's told to. |
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| 14:02.21 | RichiH | ircdevil: the quickndirty hack would be to grep for ^d.* |
| 14:02.22 | jetscreamer | ls -d maybe ircdevil |
| 14:02.25 | cafuego | lexxan: Do you use kde/kdm? |
| 14:02.26 | RichiH | ircdevil: or use find |
| 14:02.26 | Space_NL | en je kan niet 1 over laten komen voor hem WhiteRabbit ? |
| 14:02.26 | topyli | ircdevil: it's -d believe it or not :) |
| 14:02.29 | lexxan | gdm |
| 14:02.31 | Space_NL | woeps, wrong chan |
| 14:02.34 | RichiH | topyli: psst ;) |
| 14:02.34 | mwilson | lexxan: Not that it would pay any attention to xinitrc in any case. |
| 14:02.40 | cafuego | lexxan: gdm works fine with .xsession |
| 14:02.42 | topyli | oops :) |
| 14:02.58 | lexxan | Not for me. |
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| 14:03.12 | lexxan | gnome-panel & |
| 14:03.19 | lexxan | I have that in it and it refuses to load |
| 14:03.21 | cafuego | Then you're doing something wrong, like maybe choosing the wrong session type on logim. |
| 14:03.36 | lexxan | Well I just choose openbox for the session.. |
| 14:03.39 | Guerin | ircdevil: ls -F |grep \/ |
| 14:03.44 | ircdevil | ls -d prints . only - i want it to show all the directories and not the current one |
| 14:03.53 | cafuego | lexxan: gnome-panel probably wants a window manager, and you're not loading one. |
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| 14:03.59 | mwilson | lexxan: If you're choosing openbox, why are you surprised that it doesn't read the .xsession file? |
| 14:04.17 | lexxan | because i'm not a huge linux nerd? |
| 14:04.22 | lexxan | lol. |
| 14:04.33 | mwilson | lexxan: What would that have to do with anything? |
| 14:04.34 | abrotman | uhm .. i don't think you can load gnome-panel without gnome-session .. i suppose i could be lying .. but who would want gnome-panel in openbox anyway .. |
| 14:04.40 | lexxan | I loaded gnome-panel right now.. through console heh |
| 14:04.55 | lexxan | I've tried ~/.openbox/rc |
| 14:04.57 | lexxan | that didn't work |
| 14:04.57 | ircdevil | Guerin: dirty :o) - but the ansi colors disappeares with grep - there must be a simple way |
| 14:04.58 | Guerin | fspanel or fbpanel could be better |
| 14:05.17 | mwilson | lexxan: Making up random names for startup files seldom does any good. |
| 14:05.20 | keeper | english? |
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| 14:05.21 | Guerin | ircdevil: i know, it's dirty. you could also use find -type |
| 14:05.29 | abrotman | keeper: we like it |
| 14:05.41 | lexxan | mwilson, Maybe if you looked at their website it's not made up. STFU and stop talking to me you're a tool. |
| 14:05.46 | keeper | en |
| 14:05.50 | lexxan | geezus christ. |
| 14:05.54 | keeper | i can read it |
| 14:06.07 | abrotman | mwilson: i'd like to use you |
| 14:06.09 | mwilson | lexxan: I use openbox, I know perfectly well how it works. |
| 14:06.10 | abrotman | you're a tool |
| 14:06.12 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:06.16 | jethro | !pal lexxan |
| 14:06.27 | ircdevil | Guerin: hmmm - but find is without ansi colors agains? |
| 14:06.29 | cafuego | it already left, kids |
| 14:06.32 | abrotman | why didn't he ask #openbox ? |
| 14:06.33 | Guerin | i wonder what you'd use the mwilson-9000 for |
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| 14:06.45 | jethro | I was wondering why tab wouldn't complete |
| 14:06.46 | cafuego | Guerin: egg whisk |
| 14:06.47 | mwilson | Guerin: Bashing stupids, I hope. |
| 14:06.50 | abrotman | Guerin: Thermonuclear War |
| 14:06.51 | Guerin | ircdevil: come on, why do you want ansi colours |
| 14:06.56 | RichiH | jethro: heh |
| 14:06.57 | FlimFlamMan | i've install zope and plone, but there is no option to add a plone site in ZMI ... ? |
| 14:07.04 | greycat | Guerin: combination staple gun and welding torch. |
| 14:07.05 | ircdevil | Guerin: they are so pretty |
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| 14:07.19 | Guerin | i think greycat wins this one |
| 14:07.44 | cafuego | !win greycat |
| 14:07.45 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 14:08.30 | sollust | hello...where can I find additional kernel modules for 2.4.26-1-386 (d-i)? |
| 14:08.38 | Guerin | i bought a little flamethrowery gadget the other day |
| 14:08.51 | Phated | Guerin: How did the mackerel turn out? |
| 14:08.52 | Guerin | sollust: aptitude search modules |
| 14:08.58 | lexxan | mwilson, creative nickname btw. |
| 14:08.58 | Guerin | Phated: pretty black :) |
| 14:09.03 | jetscreamer | i bought some wd40 the other day |
| 14:09.04 | Guerin | (on purpose :) |
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| 14:09.14 | Phated | Guerin: Edibly and yummably black? |
| 14:09.15 | lexxan | must've taken your dense ass awhile to think that one up |
| 14:09.15 | lexxan | lol |
| 14:09.19 | cafuego | Guerin: african american mackerel? |
| 14:09.24 | jetscreamer | lexxan: leave sleeping whatevers lie |
| 14:09.27 | jethro | HE'S BACK!! |
| 14:09.28 | sollust | yeah, but I'm installing on 386, and I need to get a particular one for the nic |
| 14:09.33 | cafuego | lexxan: Please troll somewhere else. |
| 14:09.39 | jethro | !pal lexxan |
| 14:09.58 | Guerin | it's the simplest flamer I ever saw - just a valve and nozzle which clips onto a gas bottle like what you put in some portable gas ranges |
| 14:10.04 | Guerin | ph333r |
| 14:10.09 | Delph | oh, not a proper one then. |
| 14:10.13 | lexxan | brb |
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| 14:10.22 | Guerin | cafuego: i think these ones were spanish. but they were cooked cajun stylee |
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| 14:10.39 | cafuego | Guerin: ie: yes ;-) |
| 14:10.43 | jetscreamer | wd40 is the simplest flamethrower ever |
| 14:10.47 | Guerin | cafuego: indeed. |
| 14:10.48 | cafuego | Guerin: Pretty adventurous for korea |
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| 14:11.06 | Guerin | cafuego: bah, fresh fish is easy... it's the spices which are hard to get. |
| 14:11.10 | lexxan | cafuego, mwilson gives me his smug / smartass remarks isn't exactly helpful either. |
| 14:11.15 | lexxan | giving* |
| 14:11.22 | cafuego | lexxan: See '/help ignore' |
| 14:11.23 | greycat | lexxan: so /ignore him. |
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| 14:11.25 | jetscreamer | dammit lexxan you don't take advice very well do you |
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| 14:11.50 | acidchild | whats a fast debian apt-get server? |
| 14:11.53 | LP469 | hi |
| 14:11.55 | BlackHawk | sup all |
| 14:11.56 | cafuego | acidchild: apt-setup |
| 14:11.56 | jethro | acidchild: the closer |
| 14:11.58 | Rawplayer | 192.168.1.1 |
| 14:12.02 | lexxan | acidchild, an edu or gov thats close to u ? =] |
| 14:12.03 | jetscreamer | t... jethro you thief |
| 14:12.06 | kensuke | acidchild: whats the length of a piece of tring ? |
| 14:12.10 | BlackHawk | ineed a quick help im unable to login using putty to a debian box |
| 14:12.14 | acidchild | http://ftp.uk.debian.org at the moment.. |
| 14:12.18 | kensuke | s/tring/string/ |
| 14:12.20 | jethro | jetscreamer: I ain't your tabbuddy for nothing you now? |
| 14:12.22 | jethro | know even |
| 14:12.26 | Guerin | lexxan: here's a dirty hack for you: write a script which does sleep 20 ; exec gnome-panel ; and call it from your xsession |
| 14:12.27 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:12.30 | acidchild | but its going at less than 1kb/s |
| 14:12.34 | Guerin | see if that works |
| 14:12.37 | cafuego | Guerin: Eh? Just various peppers are they not? |
| 14:12.39 | BlackHawk | what do i need to check and where to have access to the ssh? |
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| 14:12.46 | mtnman | blackhawk: does said debian box allow ssh login? |
| 14:12.49 | sollust | Guerin: used the command you mentioned, but it doesn't give the debian installer kernel |
| 14:12.50 | jethro | acidchild: where are you located? |
| 14:12.55 | acidchild | england |
| 14:13.05 | suki | hello, ive just updated my source list, and i get errors, can anyone guide me |
| 14:13.08 | mtnman | blackhawk: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 14:13.12 | jethro | suki: man sources.list |
| 14:13.13 | boycer | acidchild: the uk server seems a bit narked atm |
| 14:13.16 | BlackHawk | ko |
| 14:13.20 | BlackHawk | ok let me check that out |
| 14:13.21 | suki | deb http://http://mirror.averse.net/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 14:13.21 | FlimFlamMan | is plone fucked on sarge or what? |
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| 14:13.29 | acidchild | :( |
| 14:13.31 | jethro | !pal suki |
| 14:13.38 | jethro | suki: you don't http://http:// |
| 14:13.41 | suki | eeks :) |
| 14:13.42 | suki | saw that :) |
| 14:13.43 | jethro | suki: you just http:// |
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| 14:13.47 | boycer | acidchild: yep... I'm having to use the us :( |
| 14:13.48 | suki | but other than that everything good ? |
| 14:13.49 | sollust | FlimFlamMan: even the plone people say to stay away from zope/plone on debian |
| 14:13.54 | jethro | suki: yes |
| 14:13.55 | Guerin | cafuego: yeah. can't get corns of white or red, or cayenne in any form; can't get garlic powder of any usable quality. Barely able to get dried herbs. |
| 14:13.59 | Phated | suki: You're in .sg? |
| 14:14.03 | FlimFlamMan | sollust, great, thanks |
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| 14:14.16 | mwilson | lexxan: So, are you going to stop making up filenames? |
| 14:14.23 | FlimFlamMan | sollust, any suggestions for a cms on debian? |
| 14:14.27 | jethro | s#http://#use http://# |
| 14:14.29 | ircdevil | FlimFlamMan: drupla |
| 14:14.31 | cafuego | greycat: it isn't the verb is 'wget' and the noun is 'http'. |
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| 14:14.38 | ircdevil | FlimFlamMan: err -> drupal |
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| 14:14.39 | sollust | FlimFlamMan: just install from source. It's not that hard, actually |
| 14:14.42 | jethro | cafuego: :) |
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| 14:15.11 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: ask bob2 about it - he was messing with zope yesterday |
| 14:15.12 | lexxan | mwilson, Are you going to get a personality? |
| 14:15.28 | bob2 | FlimFlamMan: if you want to write one, zope. if not, drupal. |
| 14:15.29 | jethro | lexxan: are you going to leave mwilson alone and stfu ? |
| 14:15.33 | bob2 | or plone, but it looks like ass |
| 14:16.26 | sollust | so...where are the debian-installer kernels kept? |
| 14:16.33 | cafuego | or Typo3 |
| 14:16.44 | cafuego | ARGH! |
| 14:16.44 | Guerin | sollust: you're wanting to make a custom installer kernel? |
| 14:16.45 | lexxan | jethro, Umm he's the one talking to me? |
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| 14:16.54 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:16.56 | ircdevil | or mamba |
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| 14:17.06 | jethro | lexxan: in a few minutes there won't be a lot of people able to read you anymore |
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| 14:17.15 | jethro | lexxan: I can't anymore |
| 14:17.25 | lexxan | huh? |
| 14:17.25 | lcore | sshd config question: After setting 'Protocol 2' in sshd_config and scaning host with nessus I get the following Info: "The remote daemon supports the following versions o the SSH protocol: . 1.99 . 2.0" How to allow only version 2.0? |
| 14:17.26 | cafuego | ircdevil: mambO |
| 14:17.30 | RichiH | cafuego: they like the cheese smell |
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| 14:17.37 | sollust | Guerin: the problem is that the modules I need aren't in the disk images (floppies), but I figure that the d-i kernel must have a more complete list somewhere |
| 14:17.44 | Guerin | mambo |
| 14:17.44 | mwilson | lexxan: You go ahead, it's entertaining. |
| 14:17.44 | abrotman | lexxan: /ignore him .. or stop complaining |
| 14:17.45 | cafuego | RichiH: Mustafa does yes, Pixel prefers potato. |
| 14:17.57 | FlimFlamMan | jesus, if mod_autoindex worked i wouldn't need a cms at all |
| 14:17.59 | lexxan | I haven't complained have I |
| 14:17.59 | lexxan | lol. |
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| 14:18.06 | ircdevil | but who wants to waste time om cms - get a linux server and an admin instead ... |
| 14:18.09 | Guerin | sollust: if you are, since you didn't answer, /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 14:18.13 | abrotman | cafuego: did they eat any toes ? |
| 14:18.13 | jethro | FlimFlamMan: it's enabled by default isn't it? |
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| 14:18.15 | RichiH | cafuego: you have strange feet |
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| 14:18.20 | sollust | Guerin: the problem is that the modules I need aren't in the disk images (floppies), but I figure that the d-i kernel must have a more complete list somewhere |
| 14:18.28 | lexxan | mwilson, I entertain you? wow. Your life must really be boring. |
| 14:18.29 | FlimFlamMan | jethro, the problem is that it won't display directories that contain .htaccess files |
| 14:18.39 | BlackHawk | <mtnman> |
| 14:18.43 | BlackHawk | ok got it open |
| 14:18.48 | BlackHawk | what do i need to look for? |
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| 14:19.18 | Diego | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 14:19.18 | Diego | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
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| 14:19.31 | cafuego | Diego: Stop pasting |
| 14:19.37 | Diego | sorry |
| 14:19.41 | abrotman | Diego: dpkg-reconfigure locales ... might help |
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| 14:19.54 | cafuego | Lummel. |
| 14:19.55 | joe|code | Debian fails to boot, I updated the kernel and when booting it says /proc/cmdline directory not found |
| 14:19.59 | joe|code | it just repeats |
| 14:20.01 | mtnman | blackhawk: the fact that the file exists is a good sign. when you installed ssh, did you config it to run sshd? |
| 14:20.01 | lexxan | mwilson, Do you know what MWD is? |
| 14:20.11 | Diego | after dpkg-reconfigure locales i have de same probl?me |
| 14:20.16 | BlackHawk | it was alredy installed |
| 14:20.19 | mwilson | abrotman: They always flail around aimlessly instead of actually learning how to use the tool. |
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| 14:20.22 | BlackHawk | in the box |
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| 14:20.34 | mtnman | lexxan: you seem to be going down the road which leads to being banned from the channel. |
| 14:20.40 | abrotman | mwilson: a fish two feet from the water :) |
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| 14:20.49 | BlackHawk | i dind't do the install |
| 14:20.53 | BlackHawk | someone else did |
| 14:20.55 | jethro | FlimFlamMan: http://corz.org/serv/tricks/htaccess.php |
| 14:20.55 | lexxan | mtnman, Oh noes.. my life will be over! |
| 14:20.58 | mtnman | blackhawk: dpkg-reconfigure ssh to be sure. |
| 14:21.04 | abrotman | lexxan: do you want help or not ? |
| 14:21.09 | lexxan | ya |
| 14:21.14 | abrotman | then stop abusing people |
| 14:21.17 | lexxan | Why else would I be here |
| 14:21.17 | jethro | FlimFlamMan: then look for occurences of autoindex |
| 14:21.20 | lexxan | to hang out? LOL |
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| 14:21.28 | mwilson | !lol |
| 14:21.28 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. |
| 14:21.35 | mtnman | lexxan: we all know mwilson is caustic. no need to stir things up. won't help anything. |
| 14:21.38 | abrotman | greycat: you evil bastard! |
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| 14:21.40 | lexxan | haha |
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| 14:22.08 | lexxan | Noone knows the answer anyway |
| 14:22.09 | greycat | I had nothing to do with that factoid. |
| 14:22.11 | lexxan | except maybe mwilson |
| 14:22.13 | lexxan | =[ |
| 14:22.16 | mwilson | lexxan: Oh, really. |
| 14:22.26 | abrotman | lexxan: did you ask #openbox ? (i think that exists) |
| 14:22.35 | mwilson | lexxan: The documentation does. |
| 14:22.35 | lexxan | i'll try |
| 14:22.46 | mwilson | abrotman: It doesn't. |
| 14:22.50 | lexxan | mwilson, Well point me to correct documentation?????????????????? |
| 14:22.59 | abrotman | mwilson: i see that now |
| 14:23.04 | abrotman | !tell lexxan about ep |
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| 14:23.20 | BlackHawk | <mtnman> |
| 14:23.21 | lexxan | lol you have a factoid for that |
| 14:23.26 | BlackHawk | thanks man got it working |
| 14:23.27 | cafuego | preparation h cookies |
| 14:23.28 | BlackHawk | >:) |
| 14:23.29 | fatal_ | I'm using php4 and apache2 on Sarge... every time there are php upgrades apt-get tries to pull in apache(1) on dist-upgrade .... if I do apt-get upgrade on all other packages then apache(1) isn't pulled in.... I don't understand why... can anyone help me explain it? |
| 14:23.33 | fatal_ | http://gamezone.fjortis.info/~gem/apt-get.txt |
| 14:23.41 | mtnman | blackhawk: what was the problem/solution? |
| 14:23.50 | lexxan | mwilson, So super genius.. gdm documentation.. openbox??? |
| 14:23.57 | BlackHawk | sure |
| 14:23.59 | abrotman | fatal_: do you have libapache-mod-php4 possibly installed ? |
| 14:24.04 | fatal_ | abrotman: no. |
| 14:24.13 | BlackHawk | it appers the sshd was not running |
| 14:24.15 | abrotman | lexxan: i seriously doubt he's giong to help you now .. |
| 14:24.18 | abrotman | going |
| 14:24.28 | greycat | lexxan: gdm, IF YOU USE THE DEFAULT GNOME SESSION AND NOT THE DEBIAN SESSION, reads ~/.gnomerc and then processes the system's /etc/gdm/Sessions/Gnome. |
| 14:24.28 | fatal_ | abrotman: apache-common and libapache-mod-php4 are the ones that is being added on dist-upgrade ... |
| 14:24.31 | greycat | lexxan: but of course nothing that anyone tells you is ever correct is it. |
| 14:24.34 | mtnman | blackhawk: so, dpkg-reconfigure did the trick? |
| 14:24.38 | BlackHawk | yes |
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| 14:24.49 | mtnman | you're welcome. |
| 14:25.01 | abrotman | fatal_: ok .. dpkg -l | grep apache ... make sure oyu don't have any other apache1 stuff installed accidentally |
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| 14:25.10 | abrotman | fatal_: and maybe grep php also |
| 14:25.19 | lexxan | greycat, If that made any sense to me.. hold on |
| 14:25.47 | fatal_ | abrotman: http://gamezone.fjortis.info/~gem/apt-get.txt updated with that info.... |
| 14:25.50 | greycat | lexxan: if gdm is acting more fucked-up than normal, you *could* take the advice that at least two people have given you, and simply DELETE its fucking crap-filled ass. But no.... that would be too easy. Using xdm and having a sane, normal, standard system... wow, that's too hard. |
| 14:26.04 | fatal_ | abrotman: no apache1 afaik or apache1-related php packages.... |
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| 14:26.19 | cbr | so when will sarge be out? |
| 14:26.19 | jethro | holy fucking shitty freeradius with no ssl support AGAIN |
| 14:26.34 | abrotman | fatal_: how long as this been happening ? |
| 14:26.46 | Guerin | fatal_: what packages does it try to install? and does it try to remove a2 and replace it all with a1? |
| 14:26.48 | joe|code | Can anytone explain why my updated kernel cannot find /proc/cmdline when booting? |
| 14:26.58 | fatal_ | abrotman: the weird thing is that if I upgrade all other packages with upgrade instead of dist-upgrade ... then I can do dist-upgrade and apache-common and libapache-mod-php4 will NOT be pulled in... |
| 14:27.19 | maja | can grub work with initrd ? |
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| 14:27.31 | jethro | maja: man grub |
| 14:27.38 | Guerin | maja: of course it can |
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| 14:27.50 | abrotman | fatal_: this happened before iirc .. and the workaround is exactly what you just described |
| 14:27.58 | fatal_ | abrotman: as long as I can remember..... on both my Sarge computers... one of them recently installed. |
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| 14:28.14 | fatal_ | abrotman: yes, but the workaround is getting annoying.. ;) |
| 14:28.20 | abrotman | fatal_: yes .. it is :) |
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| 14:28.36 | maja | jethro: my man page says nothing about it |
| 14:28.46 | fatal_ | is it a dpkg/apt bug or what? ... has anyone hunted it down? |
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| 14:28.54 | lexxan | greycat, Thanks. |
| 14:28.59 | abrotman | fatal_: it's a dependency thing iirc .. |
| 14:29.06 | lexxan | Someone actually explained it |
| 14:29.09 | greycat | maja: just follow the examples for all the standard lines in menu.lst on a standard sarge install, and you'll see the initrd stuff. |
| 14:29.11 | lexxan | amazing =] |
| 14:29.22 | DexterF | a program here expects kernel headers in /usr/src/linux/include. I installed kernel-headers-2.4.27-2. they have a seperate dir in /usr/src. what to do? just copy them to the kernel src? |
| 14:29.28 | abrotman | lexxan: are you going to apologize to everyone now? |
| 14:29.31 | lexxan | no |
| 14:29.40 | lexxan | Everyone else acted like a bunch of retards. |
| 14:29.53 | maja | greycat: dont seem to have that line |
| 14:29.58 | abrotman | lexxan: including you |
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| 14:30.06 | jethro | maja: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/GNU-Linux.html |
| 14:30.13 | lexxan | Well if I get treated like a retard.. I'll act like one. |
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| 14:30.22 | Guerin | lexxan: way to not get treated like one |
| 14:30.29 | mtnman | lexxan: you could attempt to rise above... |
| 14:30.34 | fatal_ | DexterF: shouldn't be too hard to change it in the programs source.... |
| 14:30.36 | greycat | maja: install sarge. cat /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:30.38 | lexxan | I' |
| 14:30.39 | lexxan | ll pass |
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| 14:30.48 | fatal_ | DexterF: most programs even have a configure option for it, so you don't have to touch the source. |
| 14:30.54 | lexxan | I want my computer to work so I can be productive |
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| 14:31.01 | lexxan | not waste time on irc =] |
| 14:31.03 | greycat | then don't install gnome on it. |
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| 14:31.24 | maja | greycat: sarge just wanted to install lilo |
| 14:31.25 | mtnman | lexxan: if you're not interested in the minutia of a linux system, perhaps debian is not the best choice of distribution for you. |
| 14:31.25 | abrotman | fatal_: i had those two extras installed .. i removed them .. then attempted a dist-upgrade .. it's not asking me to install them again |
| 14:31.29 | greycat | maja: liar. |
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| 14:31.35 | lexxan | minutia? |
| 14:31.36 | maja | greycat: wish i was |
| 14:31.38 | jethro | haha |
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| 14:31.42 | lexxan | wtf is that |
| 14:31.50 | abrotman | fatal_: i do see that i'm not using php4-pear |
| 14:31.51 | greycat | !dict minutia |
| 14:31.53 | dpkg | could not find definition for minutia |
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| 14:31.55 | greycat | @dict minutia |
| 14:31.56 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 14:32.01 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'minutia' (2): a small or minor detail; "he had memorized the many minutiae of the legal code" ;; \Mi*nu"ti*a\, n.; pl. {Minutiae} (-[=e]). [L., fr. minutus small, minute. See 4th {Minute}.] A minute particular; a small or minor detail; -- used chiefly in the plural. [1913 Webster]. |
| 14:32.02 | Guerin | !dict minutiae |
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| 14:32.03 | maja | have removed lilo and it still tried to install it greycat |
| 14:32.03 | dpkg | could not find definition for minutiae |
| 14:32.07 | Guerin | hrm |
| 14:32.12 | greycat | maja: you are not INSTALLING sarge, then. |
| 14:32.14 | lexxan | heh |
| 14:32.16 | gypsymauro | someone knows if there is a GUI for the cisco vpn client x linux? |
| 14:32.20 | greycat | maja: you may be doing something resembling an UPGRADE. |
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| 14:32.31 | lexxan | mtnman, What should I install then? |
| 14:32.31 | mtnman | lexxan: if you don't know what a word means, you could look it up in the dictionary, rather than throw around profanity in the channel. |
| 14:32.33 | fatal_ | abrotman: once all packages are up to date, a dist-upgrade won't ask for installing any extra programs for me eigther... |
| 14:32.34 | maja | greycat: yes my bad |
| 14:32.42 | DexterF | fatal_: about any program I know that needs the headers expects them to be there, first distro I see which deviates there. |
| 14:32.43 | abrotman | fatal_: mine aren't up to date |
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| 14:32.51 | abrotman | fatal_: the PHP came in over the weekend i guess |
| 14:32.54 | maja | greycat: still would of thought it would go with built in boot loader when up gradeing |
| 14:32.56 | mtnman | lexxan: i dunno. i'm interested in the minutia and only run debian. |
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| 14:33.03 | fatal_ | DexterF: not even the vanilla source unpacks to a "linux" directory any more... |
| 14:33.07 | greycat | maja: no, an upgrade retains as much as possible. |
| 14:33.09 | lexxan | mtnman, lol.. gear down. |
| 14:33.13 | jethro | maja: why would you replace the bootloader when upgrading? |
| 14:33.29 | lexxan | Anyway thx for the help |
| 14:33.31 | greycat | hey debhelper! prepare to kick me! |
| 14:33.35 | lexxan | hopefully I don't have to see any of you for awhile |
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| 14:33.38 | lexxan | later |
| 14:33.39 | greycat | title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.4.27-1-686 |
| 14:33.39 | greycat | root (hd0,0) |
| 14:33.39 | greycat | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 14:33.39 | greycat | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-1-686 |
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| 14:33.49 | abrotman | !lart greycat |
| 14:33.50 | jethro | !lart greycat |
| 14:33.53 | jethro | damn |
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| 14:34.13 | greycat | abrotman: jethro: that 4 line paste will save 40 lines of explanation. |
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| 14:34.18 | suki | is there only a need for one source list? or more deb http://mirror.averse.net/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 14:34.19 | yahalom | i installed ubuntu on one pc and it was setup to 686 now i moved that hard disk to another pc and it wont load x how do i fix this? |
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| 14:34.26 | suki | like testing ? |
| 14:34.27 | PerfDave | yahalom: #ubuntu |
| 14:34.29 | maja | greycat: jethro : when i upgraded from woody to sarge it wanted to install lilo |
| 14:34.29 | jethro | greycat: it sure is mr garrison |
| 14:34.34 | suki | not too familiar |
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| 14:34.45 | greycat | maja: because you already have lilo |
| 14:34.46 | jethro | maja: it wanted to *upgrade* lilo, since it was already installed |
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| 14:35.05 | maja | i purged lilo before |
| 14:35.18 | maja | with dkpg -P lilo |
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| 14:35.21 | jethro | maja: you HAVE to HAVE a bootloader so you can't just purge lulilo |
| 14:35.28 | jethro | s/luli/li/ |
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| 14:35.41 | jethro | maja: installing grub would remove lilo though |
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| 14:35.59 | maja | jethro: installed grub then had to remove lilo |
| 14:36.09 | _joey | lilo is the suck |
| 14:36.20 | maja | hehe any way thanks for link |
| 14:36.20 | jethro | nm you don't have to have a bootloader actually |
| 14:36.52 | gnat_x | how would i go about disabling appletalk at boot on a sarge box? |
| 14:37.10 | maja | true though it may not be such a useful computer |
| 14:37.30 | jethro | maja: you can use a boot floppy :p |
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| 14:38.44 | maja | hehe |
| 14:38.51 | maja | no stiffy on this box |
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| 14:41.35 | directhex|work | as it happens, installing grub isn't all that you need to replace lilo. you also need to edit /etc/kernel-img.conf to point to /sbin/update-grub as the post* script |
| 14:42.18 | gartt | Why do they say that .jpg's lose quality? |
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| 14:42.35 | jethro | gartt: what are you talking about? |
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| 14:42.51 | abrotman | gartt: it's a lossless format |
| 14:42.53 | abrotman | err lossy |
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| 14:42.59 | abrotman | it's a lossy format ! |
| 14:43.01 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:43.32 | directhex|work | gartt, because they do. information is lost. depending on compression levels, jpeg can make a mockery of an original |
| 14:43.42 | jethro | now that's funny. I removed lilo, then re installed it, and I had to install some libdevicemapper package. then I aptitude upgrade on the very same box, and it wants to remove the libdevicemapper thingie |
| 14:43.45 | abrotman | i prefer 2bit images! |
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| 14:43.54 | jethro | .bmp uber alles |
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| 14:44.14 | directhex|work | bmp is fine for lossless bitmapped data, yes |
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| 14:44.32 | directhex|work | kinda useless for professional use, where things like alpha, white levels, etc, are stored |
| 14:44.32 | pipeline | bmp is NOT fine |
| 14:44.40 | pipeline | That was what I was about to mention. |
| 14:44.44 | jethro | I was kidding guys |
| 14:44.47 | pipeline | BMP limits you to 24 bit color with no extras. |
| 14:45.08 | directhex|work | fine, but those extras don't come under the headings bmp is supposed to cater for |
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| 14:46.38 | jethro | !tell [W]ar[W]olF -about root |
| 14:46.43 | mwilson | jethro: Welcome to the brokenness that is aptitude. |
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| 14:48.06 | jethro | mwilson: yes, apparently it's because of aptitude. I ll just no longer use it then. |
| 14:48.06 | gartt | It's only an initial loss in quality b/c of compression- copying it 8012323 times later doesn't do anything to it, right? |
| 14:48.26 | jethro | gary: how is this related to debian? |
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| 14:48.37 | joe|code | what should the /proc line in fstab look like for kernel 2.6.8? |
| 14:48.44 | joe|code | proc /proc proc defaults? |
| 14:49.11 | jethro | gartt: how is this related to debian? |
| 14:49.30 | abrotman | fatal_: i am having the same problem on another box that you are describing |
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| 14:50.14 | cahoot | gartt I believe the lossiness comes to play of you manipulate and save the file - not cp |
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| 14:51.40 | punsad | I just upgraded kernel to 2.4.30 from 2.4.18, no I can't mount cdrom using /dev/scd0. mounting /dev/cdrom, works, though... and I'm noticing that cdrecord -scanbus shows no working devices... anyone else have this problem? |
| 14:51.49 | PerfDave | This is why image manipulation programs like GIMP like to save in their own lossless format while you're working on images. |
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| 14:52.44 | Nexus | Did the java-package package dissapear? |
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| 14:52.59 | greycat | !info java-package sarge |
| 14:53.01 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
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| 14:53.28 | Nexus | Hmm.. I tried apt-get install java-package, but it said it doesn't exist. |
| 14:53.33 | greycat | contrib. |
| 14:53.40 | jorgp_ | punsad: did you include scsi emulation and scsi cd? |
| 14:54.06 | PerfDave | "upgraded kernel from 2.4.30 to 2.4.18"? |
| 14:54.11 | punsad | jorgp_: lsmod shows that both of those are loaded |
| 14:54.28 | cahoot | PerfDave: read again |
| 14:54.43 | jorgp_ | punsad: do you have hd?=ide-scsi (?=your cdrom) |
| 14:54.52 | punsad | PerfDave: yeah I think I typed it right |
| 14:54.55 | jorgp_ | in your bootloader |
| 14:54.59 | Nexus | greycat, Thank you. |
| 14:55.07 | PerfDave | I am clearly too stupid even for #debian today ;) |
| 14:55.10 | punsad | jorgp_: that may be the problem |
| 14:55.17 | directhex|work | so punsad compiled his own 2.4.30, didn't compile in all the legacy junk woody needs, and wonders why it doesn't work? |
| 14:55.32 | PerfDave | I got all the right words, just not necessarily in the right order ;) |
| 14:55.44 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 14:56.06 | punsad | directhex|work: care to elaborate? |
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| 14:56.30 | jethro | punsad: /msg dpkg debian kernel images |
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| 14:57.02 | directhex|work | punsad, you need SCSI IDE emulation, and lines such as "hdc=ide-scsi" in your kernel boot parameters |
| 14:57.03 | jethro | punsad: /msg dpkg debian kernel image even. can't remember that one |
| 14:57.17 | directhex|work | punsad, okay, i lie, what you need is debian sarge. |
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| 14:57.50 | covux | hi. is anyone here using nvidiacard as has enabled fastwrite? |
| 14:57.50 | directhex|work | covux, i have done so in the past |
| 14:57.59 | punsad | directhex|work: lsmod shows that they ide-scsi is in... anything else I should have compiled in? |
| 14:58.00 | directhex|work | covux, it only speeds things up on geforce fx cards, and can cause stability problems |
| 14:58.18 | directhex|work | punsad, no idea. i use sarge, because i like things to work. |
| 14:58.40 | covux | directhex|work: i have a nvidia 6600 agp. should i fiddle with fastwrite? |
| 14:58.51 | PerfDave | directhex|work: I'm sure that should be "I use kernel-image packages because I like things to work" ;p |
| 14:59.52 | covux | directhex|work: cat proc shows me that the host-bridge and card supports fastwrite |
| 15:00.08 | directhex|work | covux, no. |
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| 15:00.32 | directhex|work | covux, if you run glxgears for 20 seconds, what kind of average framerates do you get? |
| 15:00.41 | directhex|work | PerfDave, woody does not work. |
| 15:00.52 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Bullshit. |
| 15:01.02 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Works for me quite happily, CD writing included. |
| 15:01.12 | directhex|work | PerfDave, it may well be fine for other people, but is a useless heap of shit for me |
| 15:01.27 | PerfDave | directhex|work: That doesn't mean it "doesn't work", lamer ;p |
| 15:01.29 | covux | directhex|work: about 6580 |
| 15:01.43 | directhex|work | covux, that's fine then. don't poke fastwrites |
| 15:01.54 | covux | directhex|work: k. thanks |
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| 15:02.25 | ^Uragano^ | sorry there is someone that can help me how to configure an ALSA4000 sound card ? |
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| 15:02.55 | directhex|work | PerfDave, a 0% success rate whenever i've interacted with it scores a full on "doesn't work in my experience", anecdotal as it may be |
| 15:03.39 | directhex|work | PerfDave, even sarge is heading towards inferior to me, compared to alternatives |
| 15:03.43 | shingouz | ^Uragano^: have you tried alsaconf already? and please lose the ^'s you have in your nick, they are a pain in the ass to type |
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| 15:04.34 | mtnman | directhex|work: seeing as woody works fine for other people, seems the root of the problem could be categorized as "PEBKAC" |
| 15:04.36 | jethro | no need to type them, urag<tab> completes just fine in irssi :) |
| 15:04.45 | PerfDave | directhex|work: You go out of your way to buy bleeding-edge hardware, and seem surprised when it's not supported by an older distro? Sarge works on *thousands* of systems, and you *know* that. Talking shit about it not working is just you trolling. |
| 15:04.56 | PerfDave | s/Sarge/Woody/, for that matter. |
| 15:04.59 | shingouz | uragano: thanks :) |
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| 15:05.10 | PerfDave | directhex|work: I know you're not stupid, please stop acting like you are :) |
| 15:05.22 | uragano | shingouz: i try but nothing to do with alsaconf |
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| 15:05.36 | shingouz | uragano: more hints please |
| 15:05.43 | uragano | ok |
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| 15:06.09 | uragano | with alsaconf it say no supported PnP or P |
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| 15:06.14 | uragano | CI card found |
| 15:06.28 | DexterF | well, no matter where I point that program it keeps complaining that one of the required dirs "linux" "asm" or "net " ain't there. |
| 15:06.28 | uragano | mine is an PCI |
| 15:06.42 | shingouz | uragano: lspci might tell you something. try that next |
| 15:06.52 | DexterF | tried kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 , -2-686, the kernel src dir, /usr/include, nothing |
| 15:07.16 | jethro | DexterF: kernel-headers-$(uname -r) ? |
| 15:07.37 | uragano | lspci it say Avance LOgic ALS4000 chipset 00:09.0 |
| 15:07.46 | DexterF | taht would be kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 |
| 15:07.52 | DexterF | *that |
| 15:07.53 | jethro | ok |
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| 15:08.05 | shingouz | uragano: do you already know what module you should be using for it? |
| 15:08.09 | uragano | the kernel thAT I USE is 2.4.18.686 |
| 15:08.31 | DexterF | or do I have to make a kernel by all means? |
| 15:08.36 | uragano | as it say alsa doc it must be als4000 |
| 15:08.44 | bob2 | 2.4.18 is uselessly old |
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| 15:08.55 | directhex|work | bob2, it's fine on 2001 or older hardware |
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| 15:09.05 | directhex|work | bob2, though apparently that's a PEBCAK issue |
| 15:09.06 | uragano | there is a new kernel-image ? |
| 15:09.17 | uragano | after 2.4.18.686 ? |
| 15:09.21 | j_k | uragano: what debian version are you using ? |
| 15:09.27 | PerfDave | Yeah, 2.4.18 doesn't work on brand new servers or anything. |
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| 15:09.29 | greycat | apparently woody. |
| 15:09.31 | shingouz | uragano: apt-cache search kernel-image should spit out a bunch of them |
| 15:09.34 | uragano | 3.0 woody |
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| 15:09.41 | directhex|work | brand new? it doesn't work with my old 2002 p4 system |
| 15:09.43 | greycat | uragano: woody only has 2.4.18. |
| 15:09.50 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Sucks to be you, evidently ;) |
| 15:09.56 | greycat | directhex|work: your p4 isn't 100% IBM compatible? |
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| 15:10.07 | uragano | so greycat i have to change version ? |
| 15:10.09 | j_k | uragano: ok, you may want to upgrade to sarge, /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 15:10.13 | directhex|work | greycat, my p4 had eccentric hardware like "intel etherexpress 100" |
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| 15:10.29 | greycat | directhex|work: oh, so it worked just fine, but your NIC was unsupported. ;-) |
| 15:10.39 | asuffield | eepro100 works just fine |
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| 15:10.45 | directhex|work | greycat, fsvo "fine" |
| 15:10.50 | uragano | j_k how ? |
| 15:10.56 | shingouz | uragano: google tells me that als4000 is an oss module and that is why you cannot use it with alsa |
| 15:11.04 | bob2 | asuffield: depends on the hardware |
| 15:11.11 | bob2 | I had a intel nic it hated |
| 15:11.11 | j_k | shingouz: there is one for alsa. |
| 15:11.13 | asuffield | I bet it was one of the silly embedded eepro100 variants, which is exactly the same chip but a different pci id, so the driver ignored it |
| 15:11.19 | directhex|work | asuffield, on antique versions of the chip, yeah. anything made in 2001 or 2002, you need a modified eepro100.c with added pci ids. or the superior e100. |
| 15:11.23 | greycat | apparently there are more than one different Intel Ether Express 100 chipset. |
| 15:11.24 | shingouz | yeah it does. scrolled down :) |
| 15:11.28 | uragano | uhm oss module ? |
| 15:11.30 | uragano | wait |
| 15:11.34 | uragano | i'll see |
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| 15:11.56 | shingouz | uragano: snd-als400 is for alsa, als4000 is for oss |
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| 15:12.11 | shingouz | snd-als4000 of course |
| 15:12.51 | uragano | modconf....i have configured OSS sound modules |
| 15:13.06 | shingouz | uragano: for that card? does the sound work as root? |
| 15:13.25 | uragano | no doesn't work |
| 15:13.32 | uragano | addgroup root sound ? |
| 15:13.38 | shingouz | no need |
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| 15:13.57 | shingouz | uragano: modconf the oss sound out of the kernel and lets work on the alsa |
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| 15:14.07 | I-T-A-Y | hi! I have a few questions before installing debain (today!) |
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| 15:14.12 | JohnnyST | How do I set default printer and settings in Mozilla? it keeps chaning back to what I do not want. |
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| 15:14.26 | uragano | shingouz how can i do this ? |
| 15:14.33 | kokoko1 | I-T-A-Y, first change you nick :P |
| 15:14.44 | I-T-A-Y | what do you mean? |
| 15:14.55 | sussudio | !il |
| 15:14.55 | dpkg | il is, like, Israel, the home of (among others) Zap-W, shimon|sevenseventy and hackeron, all notable fucktards. |
| 15:15.00 | shingouz | uragano: with modconf. just pick the als4000 module and hit it, should remove it |
| 15:15.12 | shingouz | I-T-A-Y: remove the -'s, please :) |
| 15:15.32 | bob2 | sussudio: shimon lives in .au, sadly |
| 15:15.42 | kokoko1 | and also capslock "off" pls |
| 15:16.00 | I-T-A-Y | ahh, ok, sorry, I did it because in another channel somebody have alreay used it |
| 15:16.01 | uragano | shingouz i don't have the als4000 module in modconf |
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| 15:16.15 | shingouz | uragano: you sure? |
| 15:16.19 | Itay | I'm back! |
| 15:16.20 | uragano | yes |
| 15:16.28 | shingouz | uragano: lsmod | grep als4000 |
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| 15:16.50 | shingouz | Itay: a lot better, thanks. /nick newnick does the same btw |
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| 15:17.08 | uragano | shingouz nothing |
| 15:17.11 | Itay | do unstable sources included the stable? I mean, if I use the unstable sources, I will ba able to download programs that in stable and testing? |
| 15:17.11 | directhex|work | Itay, what were the questions? just ask, don't ask to ask |
| 15:17.27 | Itay | be* |
| 15:17.32 | directhex|work | Itay, no, but it's VERY rare for there to be a program in stable but not in unstable that you want to use |
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| 15:17.41 | shingouz | uragano: ok, looks like you do not have the oss loaded at all. that is good |
| 15:17.46 | Chaos27 | opera isnt on apt-get ? |
| 15:17.53 | shingouz | uragano: try modprobe snd-als4000 |
| 15:17.55 | directhex|work | Chaos27, is it Free? |
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| 15:18.07 | greycat | Chaos27: it's not Free Software. |
| 15:18.12 | Chaos27 | skipstone then? |
| 15:18.14 | greycat | Chaos27: www.opera.com |
| 15:18.16 | Chaos27 | its free |
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| 15:18.24 | shingouz | ..with ads... |
| 15:18.26 | uragano | Can't locate module snd-als4000 |
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| 15:18.44 | Chaos27 | Any graphical browser that supports frames etc.. and uses very little memory? I tried mozilla, firefox but they are going extreemly slow! |
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| 15:18.52 | giupy | hi all |
| 15:18.52 | Chaos27 | and is free |
| 15:18.53 | shingouz | uragano: hmmm.... not fun. i think you do not have the alsa modules for the kernel in that case |
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| 15:18.56 | Itay | is it dangerous to use unstable sources? or testing is better? what do you use? |
| 15:18.59 | PerfDave | Chaos27: It's not Free, it just doesn't cost money. |
| 15:19.05 | PerfDave | Itay: If you have to ask, don't use unstable. |
| 15:19.09 | giupy | how can i toggle completely alsa conf and return to oss ? |
| 15:19.15 | shingouz | Itay: do not use Sid sources, you will screw up your system |
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| 15:19.16 | PerfDave | Chaos27: If you want a lightweight browser, try Dillo. |
| 15:19.17 | Chaos27 | so what browser should I use |
| 15:19.18 | Kernel_Panic | Chaos27, you can install opera with apt-get if you input the sourslist:) |
| 15:19.18 | j_k | shingouz: it's 2.4.18 on woody, it hasn't got alsa. |
| 15:19.26 | uragano | i installed before so what can i do ? |
| 15:19.32 | Chaos27 | dillo doesnt support frames |
| 15:19.32 | greycat | uragano: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 15:19.38 | Gathond | Chaos27: opera perhaps, if you dont care that is it only free as in beer |
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| 15:20.08 | greycat | Gathond: more like "free as in beer commercials" |
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| 15:20.23 | uragano | greycat is a command ? |
| 15:20.28 | Kernel_Panic | the Opera sourslist for apt-get = deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ unstable non-free |
| 15:20.29 | shingouz | uragano: what greycat said, a nice dist-upgrade might be in order right now for you too. srge is going to be stable pretty soon ( i hope) and with sarge you will get a lot newer software |
| 15:20.32 | drac_ | greycat: are you an command? |
| 15:20.33 | Gathond | greycat: well the google commercial (those 0.8 cm at the top) is iirc rather unintrusive |
| 15:20.33 | j_k | uragano: for your irc client, yes. |
| 15:20.35 | Itay | what about testing? does stable have programs that is not included in testing, or it's rare? |
| 15:20.42 | shingouz | !tell uragano about woody->sarge |
| 15:20.52 | shingouz | Itay: sarge is good for you. go for it |
| 15:20.53 | drac_ | ;) |
| 15:20.55 | directhex|work | Itay, use testing. |
| 15:20.58 | greycat | !d-i |
| 15:20.58 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 15:21.00 | directhex|work | !d-i Itay |
| 15:21.01 | dpkg | Itay, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:21.09 | CrAzYWolF | question i did a user adduser test but it dind't did a home directory |
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| 15:21.28 | CrAzYWolF | dind't make* |
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| 15:22.13 | CrAzYWolF | ok found the problem |
| 15:22.37 | shingouz | incidentally, does woody even support a 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:22.42 | jethro | shingouz: no |
| 15:22.43 | directhex|work | shingouz, no |
| 15:22.45 | shingouz | k |
| 15:22.49 | petemc | it can do.. |
| 15:22.55 | directhex|work | shingouz, google for "bunk 2.6" if you REALLY want it, but you don't want it |
| 15:22.58 | PerfDave | shingouz: Not without some unofficial packages. |
| 15:23.04 | directhex|work | petemc, "support"? it has full security et al? |
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| 15:23.09 | shingouz | woody even |
| 15:23.11 | PerfDave | 2.6 is overrated anyway ;) |
| 15:23.20 | ebarnes | PerfDave: why do you say tha? |
| 15:23.30 | directhex|work | PerfDave, you're turning into greycat. soon you'll be on 2.0 kernels and declaring more than 100mhz overrated |
| 15:23.39 | shingouz | PerfDave: works very nicely on an smp box with the peremptive stuff turned on. real nice |
| 15:23.39 | petemc | directhex|work: well, when a problem is found you install a later kernel with the fix |
| 15:23.44 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Bah. I'll like 2.6 when it's stable. |
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| 15:23.49 | petemc | directhex|work: not everyone needs complete hand holdin |
| 15:23.55 | PerfDave | ebarnes: In my experience, it's not as stable as 2.4. |
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| 15:24.04 | shingouz | directhex|work: over 100MHz is overrated ;) |
| 15:24.18 | jethro | I didn't read support as is "can do" hence why my "no" |
| 15:24.23 | PerfDave | And, y'know, my Pentium 166 still does sterling work as a file server ;) |
| 15:24.25 | jethro | s/is/in/ |
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| 15:24.59 | Morvok | perfdave: 166! that must be nice. |
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| 15:25.08 | MrKeuner | why would I get this error? dh_compress: command returned error code 512 make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1 |
| 15:25.23 | shingouz | PerfDave: join #flood and i'll paste the cpuinfo for you to ogle ;) |
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| 15:25.50 | PerfDave | shingouz: Really, I can live without it :) |
| 15:25.52 | CrAzYWolF | clear |
| 15:25.55 | shingouz | :) |
| 15:26.05 | CrAzYWolF | why i cant make a directory to a user im typing |
| 15:26.22 | CrAzYWolF | useradd enet -d/home/enet -m enet |
| 15:26.31 | shingouz | PerfDave: cpu MHz : 133.021 ........ and there are two of them :p |
| 15:26.33 | MrKeuner | after a dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in the vazaar-0.1.9 directory, I get this error? dh_compress: command returned error code 512 make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1. Why is that? |
| 15:26.33 | j_k | CrAzYWolF: you want to use adduser instead |
| 15:26.40 | PerfDave | shingouz: \m/ |
| 15:26.49 | j_k | well that sparcstation 10 here is pretty impressive for a 60Mhz machine! |
| 15:27.00 | CrAzYWolF | ok so how do i add the directory to it |
| 15:27.06 | CrAzYWolF | the home directory |
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| 15:27.08 | PerfDave | shingouz: I'm running 2.6 on my quad Opteron, but only because Debian don't provide 2.4 amd64-k8-smp kernel-images :) |
| 15:27.11 | jethro | CrAzYWolF: adduser does it for you |
| 15:27.14 | bob2 | MrKeuner: the source package is broken |
| 15:27.15 | CrAzYWolF | mmm weird |
| 15:27.17 | CrAzYWolF | i did it |
| 15:27.19 | jethro | CrAzYWolF: that's why you want to use adduser and not useradd |
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| 15:27.25 | CrAzYWolF | and when i went to the box |
| 15:27.26 | pipeline | j_k: That SS10 has more bus bandwidth than a modern PCI bus. |
| 15:27.33 | MrKeuner | bob2/ ok thanks |
| 15:27.38 | Itay | I downloaded woody 3.0rc5. If I set testing sources and "apt-get dist-upgrade", will I have sarge? |
| 15:27.40 | shingouz | PerfDave: woohoo... quad opteron? what is surname? rockefeller? :) |
| 15:27.41 | CrAzYWolF | and type in the login prompt enet and pass it was saying |
| 15:27.50 | j_k | pipeline: heh, and 128M of RAM! |
| 15:27.50 | bob2 | Itay: yes |
| 15:27.52 | PerfDave | shingouz: It's a work box ;) |
| 15:27.54 | CrAzYWolF | the home directory was not made and it was going to use root directory |
| 15:27.55 | PerfDave | Itay: No |
| 15:27.55 | shingouz | Itay: pretty much yes |
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| 15:28.03 | pipeline | Itay: Set your sources to "sarge" rather than testing |
| 15:28.06 | PerfDave | Itay: Read the Sarge release notes, upgrading with apt-get may break. |
| 15:28.07 | Itay | what is the different? |
| 15:28.21 | pipeline | Itay: Soon sarge will release, and then "testing" will be something different from what it is now. |
| 15:28.30 | directhex|work | god almighty i will stab the next person who calls woody R* a release candidate |
| 15:28.52 | PerfDave | Itay: Sarge is more up to date, but not yet officially released. |
| 15:28.53 | DexterF | mystery solved. I had to install "kernel-builds" to be able to build 3rd party modules. |
| 15:28.59 | pipeline | j_k: That was one of the weaknesses of the line. I think the SS10 held 256M max, the SS20 512M. |
| 15:29.03 | CrAzYWolF | ??? any idea? |
| 15:29.10 | jethro | !any idea |
| 15:29.10 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little thermal paste, and 42 rabid hamsters. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 15:29.14 | pipeline | j_k: They wanted you to upgrade to the SS1000 :P |
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| 15:29.15 | directhex|work | Itay, apt-get install aptitude, change the sources to "sarge" not "stable" or "woody", aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 15:29.19 | DexterF | when something req'es *headers*, why do I have to install a package called kernel-*build*? |
| 15:29.23 | greycat | directhex|work: can you stab all the /. readers who think 3.0r* are New Debian Releases With Fancy New Softwate, while you're at it? |
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| 15:29.37 | greycat | DexterF: kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 15:29.45 | PerfDave | DexterF: because you're trying to *build* stuff for your *kernel*? :) |
| 15:29.46 | DexterF | ? |
| 15:29.49 | CrAzYWolF | i went to the boxed and typed the user/pass and a pop up came saying that user doesn't have a dir |
| 15:29.49 | directhex|work | greycat, i've given up on slashdot's opinions of debian. only my own opinions matter. |
| 15:29.57 | DexterF | PerfDave: yah. right. |
| 15:29.59 | greycat | directhex|work: but they come *here* |
| 15:30.03 | jethro | CrAzYWolF: tehen fix it |
| 15:30.06 | shingouz | brb |
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| 15:30.14 | greycat | directhex|work: "I installed the new Debian version 3.0r5 and it only has 2.2.20 help me!!!!11!!!!!1" |
| 15:30.21 | CrAzYWolF | jethro thats what im trying to do |
| 15:30.26 | CrAzYWolF | make a dir for that user |
| 15:30.35 | Wuffi600 | hi. |
| 15:30.41 | PerfDave | CrAzYWolF: mkdir :) |
| 15:30.42 | jethro | CrAzYWolF: mkdir /home/foo; chown foo:foo /home/foo; |
| 15:30.50 | jethro | CrAzYWolF: as root, change foo with your username |
| 15:31.01 | CrAzYWolF | ok thanks let me try that out |
| 15:31.20 | Itay | ok, thank you, I am going to install DEBIAN!!! |
| 15:31.24 | j_k | CrAzYWolF: you may also want to cp /etc/skel/.* /home/foo. |
| 15:32.05 | directhex|work | greycat, that's the fault of fucking debian.org. "The latest stable release of Debian is 3.0. The last update to this release was made on April 16th, 2005.". what's the average luser gonna think that means? |
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| 15:32.40 | j_k | directhex|work: will be fixed in a few days, hopefully :-) |
| 15:32.41 | greycat | !stab debian.org |
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| 15:33.36 | directhex|work | j_k, are those debian days or real days? |
| 15:33.54 | j_k | directhex|work: debian days, of course. |
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| 15:34.10 | jethro | I d blame the lusers actually |
| 15:34.13 | jethro | not debian.org |
| 15:34.14 | j_k | directhex|work: if these were real days, it'd have been fixed by september 2004 :-) |
| 15:34.17 | cr33p | Can anyone help with a problem I have booting debinan? I set my refresh rate too high when setting up the xserver and now as soon as it gets to the logon screen my monitor goes blank and I can't do anything.. I didn't make a boot disk when I installed.. any ideas? |
| 15:34.29 | Wuffi600 | i'm seriously interested in developing an "apt-torrent" (you can image what it's traget is.) this summer. But first of all: Are there other people activ in this direction of development? Are there any other project the could be of interest to me (e.g. some kind of multicast apt)? |
| 15:34.47 | jethro | cr33p: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 15:35.10 | pipeline | cr33p: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 15:35.22 | j_k | Wuffi600: this has been discussed on the mailing lists I think, search debian-devel at lists.debian.org. |
| 15:35.29 | uragano | shingouz: i follow the instruction of dpkg but nothing |
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| 15:36.07 | Wuffi600 | j_k: so i'll look for information ... thanx |
| 15:36.23 | PerfDave | CrAzYWolF: Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get to a prompt. /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 15:36.36 | jethro | nodm says it all damn you |
| 15:36.59 | TheGrudge_ | !info |
| 15:37.07 | TheGrudge_ | !test |
| 15:37.07 | dpkg | Yes, thegrudge_, you're still online. |
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| 15:37.11 | cr33p | I'll give it a shot.. I'll brb.. |
| 15:37.15 | cr33p | thanks.. |
| 15:37.53 | xst | I try to copy/paste from emacs to evolution but for some reason nothing shows up in evolution. I guess it is an encoding problem. Has anyone a solution? |
| 15:38.45 | pipeline | xst: Emacs uses a cut and paste setup from the dawn of time. Use highlight + mouse2 to copy and paste. |
| 15:38.51 | libra102 | hello |
| 15:38.57 | jethro | hello |
| 15:39.01 | pipeline | xst: The emacs cut and paste really only works between emacs and... emacs, I suppose. |
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| 15:39.46 | furrywolf | yeep! :) |
| 15:39.50 | CrAzYWolF | >:) |
| 15:39.59 | covux | is there anything i can do if midnight commander draws garbled outlines? |
| 15:40.15 | _joey | what's mid night commander ? |
| 15:40.24 | WhiteRabbit | nortons file manager clone dealy |
| 15:40.55 | furrywolf | crazywolf: furry, or just using wolf in your nick? :) |
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| 15:41.02 | _joey | in that case rip every single bit out of it |
| 15:41.20 | covux | :-) |
| 15:41.22 | xst | pipeline: I do exactly that. highlight + middlemouse. Nothing happens. When I try to *import* the file in evolution it just says "Invalid byte sequence in conversion input" |
| 15:41.34 | CrAzYWolF | heh |
| 15:41.39 | CrAzYWolF | i have a wolf |
| 15:41.42 | xst | The file should be in ISO-8859-1 |
| 15:41.51 | CrAzYWolF | and love that animal with my life |
| 15:42.12 | Delph | eww, no need. |
| 15:42.22 | CrAzYWolF | dont worry no wierd shit |
| 15:42.26 | CrAzYWolF | hehe |
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| 15:42.34 | CrAzYWolF | i just like em dont know how they are |
| 15:42.39 | directhex|work | ah, a furry. we were just talking about you this morning |
| 15:42.55 | directhex|work | _joey, betray? it's an OS |
| 15:43.00 | jethro | windows is fine for a desktop use |
| 15:43.03 | _joey | grr, what am I saying? I need to sleep it off |
| 15:43.05 | directhex|work | _joey, it's not as if tux the penguin will sit & cry |
| 15:43.10 | PerfDave | directhex|work: You'll hurt its feelings! |
| 15:43.17 | _joey | directhex|work it's more than just OS, it's a relgion :) |
| 15:43.20 | _joey | for some |
| 15:43.28 | furrywolf | every time you use windows, bill gates kills a baby tux! |
| 15:43.34 | directhex|work | my religion involves running Revelation on people |
| 15:43.39 | CrAzYWolF | haha |
| 15:43.47 | _joey | Bill is zzee man |
| 15:44.02 | PerfDave | It's not an OS, it's a way of life :) |
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| 15:44.11 | jethro | it's a kernel |
| 15:44.12 | jethro | ffs |
| 15:44.12 | _joey | wanker, he should have donated money to linux projects |
| 15:44.15 | furrywolf | crazywolf: you have a wolf, but don't know how they are? huh? |
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| 15:44.26 | CrAzYWolF | no |
| 15:44.30 | CrAzYWolF | i love the way they are |
| 15:44.35 | CrAzYWolF | their style |
| 15:45.03 | CrAzYWolF | i have fangs |
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| 15:45.21 | CrAzYWolF | eat with them sleep with them everything |
| 15:45.23 | furrywolf | heh. I have ears and a tail, but no fangs. :) |
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| 15:45.42 | _joey | by the way, is anyone running kde and has this desktop creature set by armor application |
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| 15:45.51 | _joey | I've got tux sitting in the corner |
| 15:45.56 | aeho | Does LG GSA-4163BB (DVD burner) work in linux? I'm wondering what DVD dual layer burner I should buy |
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| 15:46.01 | CrAzYWolF | hehe |
| 15:46.12 | _joey | but when I am in abetter mood I let it wonder over my desktop |
| 15:46.24 | Itay | while installing debian, can I install grub? or lilo is the default? |
| 15:46.46 | PerfDave | Itay: Sarge installs grub, Woody installs lilo. You can install either. |
| 15:46.55 | PerfDave | Hmm, furry in "hanging around schoolchildren" shock. |
| 15:47.17 | furrywolf | college sophmores hardly count as schoolchildren. |
| 15:47.29 | PerfDave | furrywolf: But you're working your way down, right? |
| 15:47.49 | furrywolf | perfdave: ? |
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| 15:48.28 | wwallace | hello 2 all |
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| 15:49.14 | furrywolf | I'm not interested in kids, if that's what you're implying. |
| 15:49.31 | PerfDave | !hello wwallace |
| 15:49.35 | PerfDave | Bah |
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| 15:50.07 | PerfDave | !hello wwallace |
| 15:50.09 | dpkg | Hello wwallace, pleased to meet you! |
| 15:50.13 | PerfDave | Better :) |
| 15:50.44 | furrywolf | crazywolf: so you're actually lucky enough to have a wolf? |
| 15:50.47 | furrywolf | they're illegal here. :( |
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| 15:51.47 | CrAzYWolF | ohh yeah |
| 15:51.49 | CrAzYWolF | >:( |
| 15:52.00 | CrAzYWolF | where you at |
| 15:52.16 | furrywolf | northern california, usa |
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| 15:52.46 | wwallace | how nice |
| 15:52.48 | Delph | PerfDave: thunderbird-locale-en_gb or whatever ? |
| 15:52.53 | wwallace | big change in this room |
| 15:53.08 | furrywolf | wwallace: ? |
| 15:53.09 | jethro | !room |
| 15:53.09 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 15:53.16 | wwallace | furrywolf: yes? |
| 15:53.19 | Delph | 'locale-uk' even |
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| 15:53.25 | furrywolf | big change? what, you were expecting to get beaten up and kicked for saying hello or something? :P |
| 15:53.25 | Delph | ah, but that's ukrainian. |
| 15:53.48 | Delph | hmmm. |
| 15:54.08 | furrywolf | -uk is the uk, no? hrmm |
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| 15:54.22 | Delph | uk is the country code for the ukraine |
| 15:54.24 | greycat | -oook is the Unseen University |
| 15:54.28 | boycer | PerfDave: locale-gb doesn't help :( |
| 15:54.43 | furrywolf | then why is .uk the cctld for the uk? :) |
| 15:55.00 | jethro | Delph: are you on crack? |
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| 15:55.05 | PerfDave | .uk as a ccTLD predates the formal assigning of ISO3066 (IIRC) codes to ccTLDs |
| 15:55.32 | PerfDave | Maybe it's 3166, been a while since I worked for CENTR :) |
| 15:55.35 | Delph | i'm sure it is. |
| 15:55.38 | rob_lt | Anyone have a solution for a system restore technique? I've played with mondo a bit, but haven't had much luck. |
| 15:55.41 | Delph | we certainally shouldn't have it. |
| 15:55.41 | jethro | the uk tld is for united kingdom, for sure |
| 15:55.44 | PerfDave | And almost as long since I worked for Nominet :) |
| 15:55.45 | greycat | besides, wasn't Ukraine not a country at the time these codes were originally assigned? |
| 15:55.56 | rob_lt | Basically I would like to take a snapshot of my system right now, and be able to restore it from CD. |
| 15:56.00 | PerfDave | greycat: The ISO document is updated and new ccTLDs assigned occasionally. |
| 15:56.12 | jethro | Delph: apt-get install countrycodes && countrycodes uk |
| 15:56.24 | greycat | stupid politics, making countries appear and disappear. |
| 15:56.31 | furrywolf | oh well. /me thinks the channel needs more wolves. :P |
| 15:56.31 | _joey | in sources.list should I put sarge or stable when the release comes out ? |
| 15:56.33 | jethro | Delph: ukraine is ua, or ukr |
| 15:56.39 | Delph | UNITED KINGDOM |
| 15:56.39 | Delph | |
| 15:56.41 | PerfDave | _joey: Either |
| 15:56.41 | Delph | GB |
| 15:56.41 | greycat | _joey: whichever you want. |
| 15:56.45 | Delph | (bah, firefox pain) |
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| 15:56.49 | _joey | sarge it will be |
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| 15:57.07 | PerfDave | _joey: Putting "stable" will migrate you to Etch when that releases. |
| 15:57.18 | _joey | I am already using sarge |
| 15:57.26 | yahalom | anyone here use xfce? i need help with a mount issue, and no one in xfce available. |
| 15:57.27 | _joey | and have been ever since I installed Debian |
| 15:57.30 | _joey | :)) |
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| 15:57.41 | _joey | that's how long it's been tested |
| 15:57.47 | _joey | should be really good |
| 15:57.59 | DexterF | someone around by chance who knows how to config XFree when running debian as a VMware guest? keeps crashing here. |
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| 15:58.17 | bush | DexterF: its only ever worked for me using vesa as the driver |
| 15:58.22 | CrAzYWolF | sorry furry you from the UK? then |
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| 15:58.42 | DexterF | bush: worth a shot |
| 15:58.50 | furrywolf | crazywolf: nope. I already said... northern california, usa. :) |
| 15:58.55 | CrAzYWolF | ahh ok |
| 15:59.05 | CrAzYWolF | cool |
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| 15:59.16 | bush | DexterF: you wont have hardware accel, but then again you're using vmware anyway |
| 15:59.23 | bush | so it shouldnt matter |
| 15:59.42 | _joey | PerfDave when Etch becomes stable I will grow out of linux |
| 15:59.50 | PerfDave | _joey: Why do you say that? |
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| 16:00.07 | _joey | because I'd get older in 3 years time |
| 16:00.19 | greycat | and, uh, old people don't use linux? |
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| 16:00.27 | bush | old people use bsd |
| 16:00.29 | PerfDave | greycat: Yeah, they all get put down at 30. |
| 16:00.37 | PerfDave | Linus' Run |
| 16:00.40 | js_ | which one of nfs-kernel-server and nfs-user-server gives the best performance? |
| 16:00.44 | greycat | PerfDave: good thing I ripped out my blinking palm crystal thingy. |
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| 16:00.51 | EdibleTe1t | PerfDave, heh |
| 16:00.53 | _joey | old people use sexy MacOS |
| 16:01.00 | greycat | joel_: stop trolling. |
| 16:01.03 | greycat | sorry. |
| 16:01.06 | DexterF | bush: indeed. |
| 16:01.09 | PerfDave | _joey: Well, yeah, MacOS 9 is pretty sexy, and also pretty old now :) |
| 16:01.11 | greycat | _joey: stop trolling. And STOP USING LEADING PUNC. |
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| 16:01.22 | _joey | go away |
| 16:01.25 | PerfDave | greycat: "Are you feeling leading, punc?" |
| 16:01.26 | _joey | :) |
| 16:01.34 | j_k | js_: I don't know about performance, but the kernel one has less problems wrt locking files. |
| 16:01.39 | greycat | PerfDave: macos9 was never sexy. |
| 16:01.44 | PerfDave | s/Are you feelling/do you feel/ |
| 16:01.45 | MrKeuner | is there anybody who have installed beagle on sid? |
| 16:01.50 | PerfDave | greycat: It was much, much sexier than OS X. |
| 16:01.54 | _joey | greycat fell bein insulted |
| 16:01.56 | _joey | :) |
| 16:02.04 | greycat | PerfDave: nope. anything that has no memory protection can't be called sexy. |
| 16:02.04 | j_k | js_: so i'd recommend that one, although in my opinion a NFS server has nothing to do in the kernel.. |
| 16:02.06 | _joey | feel* |
| 16:02.08 | Sinisterr | 10:02 PerfDave: Linus' Run |
| 16:02.16 | greycat | _joey: stop trolling, then, and we'll stop insulting you. |
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| 16:02.38 | beginner | hello |
| 16:02.40 | _joey | I am not trolling you punc, besides, I didn't even chat to you |
| 16:02.43 | greycat | !leading punctuation |
| 16:02.43 | dpkg | if your nick begins with leading punctuation, nobody is going to want to help you, because typing your nick is a HUGE FUCKING PAIN IN THE ASS, even with tab completion |
| 16:02.58 | sussudio | he's been trolling for days |
| 16:03.11 | greycat | joe<TAB> completes to joel_ first, *then* to _joey, even if _joey spoke more recently. |
| 16:03.31 | beginner | how is posible cikilin@10:~ $ sudo apt-get install valknut_0.3.7-0quickpackage_i386.deb |
| 16:03.31 | beginner | Reading package lists... Done |
| 16:03.31 | beginner | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 16:03.31 | beginner | E: Couldn't find package valknut_0.3.7-0quickpackage_i386.deb |
| 16:03.31 | beginner | cikilin@10:~ $ |
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| 16:03.42 | _joey | jethro is a real troll |
| 16:03.46 | js_ | j_k: all right, ill stick to the kernel one then |
| 16:03.46 | jethro | sure |
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| 16:03.56 | paulswm | jethro est mon ami |
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| 16:03.59 | j_k | PerfDave: s/linux/debian, you may get seduced by the Hurd eventually :-) |
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| 16:04.02 | jethro | _joey: ask sussudio he'll tell you |
| 16:04.06 | jethro | heh paulswm :) |
| 16:04.09 | paulswm | :D |
| 16:04.25 | greycat | jethro's all right, for a frenchie. |
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| 16:04.29 | jethro | hah |
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| 16:04.37 | jethro | I appreciate it :) |
| 16:04.38 | pngwn | joey fucked with the wrong cat :) |
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| 16:05.35 | paulswm | !prize greycat |
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| 16:09.23 | Itay | PerfDave, with warty I can install grub, or only lilo? |
| 16:09.55 | jethro | Itay: /j #ubuntu |
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| 16:10.41 | Itay | I am working with ubuntu now, I want to install debian with grub, can I do it with warty? |
| 16:11.02 | greycat | !d-i |
| 16:11.02 | dpkg | d-i is probably the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 16:11.40 | PerfDave | Itay: Uhm, how were you planning on installing Debian? |
| 16:11.55 | PerfDave | Itay: If you install Sarge over Warty, it won't matter what Warty was using. |
| 16:12.28 | Spec | Spec's guide to installing linux/related software: Click buttons until it works; if it isn't working, you haven't clicked enough buttons. |
| 16:12.29 | CrAzYWolF | my native language is Spanish |
| 16:12.37 | Pappa | !es |
| 16:12.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:12.39 | Pappa | ;) |
| 16:12.42 | Itay | I thought that I will install debian warty , then using testing sources and "dist-upgrade" |
| 16:12.54 | paulswm | Itay: there is no debian warty. |
| 16:13.24 | K_Dallas | Itay, you are going to go thru too much trouble! Why not back up your data and install afresh what you want? |
| 16:13.31 | MobyTurbo | Itay: mixing Debian and Ubuntu repositories is asking for pain. |
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| 16:13.49 | whm | sure |
| 16:13.50 | Itay | I mean woody |
| 16:14.01 | sussudio | greycat: is the fucktard /msg'ing you too? |
| 16:14.06 | PerfDave | Itay: There is no such thing as "Debian Warty". Warty is a release of Ubuntu, and Ubuntu is not LInux. |
| 16:14.17 | PerfDave | Itay: Just install Sarge straight off, it'll be easier. |
| 16:14.19 | paulswm | Itay: it's simpler to install testing (sarge) rather than woody and upgrade. |
| 16:14.21 | MobyTurbo | Itay: you probably don't want woody either, you probably want Sarge. |
| 16:14.22 | K_Dallas | PerfDave, ubuntu is not linux? interesting ;) |
| 16:14.39 | PerfDave | K_Dallas: Shhh ;) |
| 16:14.42 | K_Dallas | ;) |
| 16:14.53 | Spec | ubuntu is GNU/Linux I think ^.~ |
| 16:14.57 | MrKeuner | isn't there a way to make gnomebaker use dvdrecord instead of cdrecord? |
| 16:14.59 | K_Dallas | warty+sarge would be chimera or seomthing ;) |
| 16:15.04 | CrAzYWolF | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom and |
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| 16:15.29 | mrbuckets | K_Dallas: my mother used to call me chimera |
| 16:15.44 | K_Dallas | wow :) |
| 16:15.45 | nomed^ | K_Dallas, why ubuntu is not linux? what about pkges manatainers? |
| 16:15.55 | K_Dallas | nomed^, did i say that? |
| 16:15.58 | K_Dallas | ;) |
| 16:16.03 | juanmals | ubuntu is linux |
| 16:16.13 | juanmals | but ubuntu sucks anyway |
| 16:16.14 | Itay | yes, I want to use sarge. |
| 16:16.15 | K_Dallas | guys! read up |
| 16:16.19 | Spec | I'm pretty sure Ubuntu is GNU/Linux |
| 16:16.26 | Itay | there is no testing non-us, what do I lose? |
| 16:16.28 | MobyTurbo | !d-i Itay |
| 16:16.29 | dpkg | Itay, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:16.32 | PerfDave | Itay: Nothing |
| 16:16.52 | PerfDave | Itay: Anything that was in non-US in Woody is now in the main repositories for Sarge, due to changes in export legislation. |
| 16:17.04 | PerfDave | It's amazing how mistyping one thing leads to five minutes of mindless stating the obvious ;) |
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| 16:17.07 | nomed^ | K_Dallas, ops ... PerfDave read up :) |
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| 16:17.23 | PerfDave | nomed^: No :p |
| 16:17.26 | sussudio | _joey: stop messaging you piece of crap |
| 16:17.32 | nomed^ | ok ok :D |
| 16:17.35 | paulswm | CrAzYWolF: this is a help channel for users of debian GNU/Linux, not a place to spam anthropomorphics. |
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| 16:17.47 | Itay | ok, I am downloading now "debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso" from this week |
| 16:17.55 | PerfDave | paulswm: Yay, paedofurs! :) |
| 16:17.57 | furrywolf | paulswm: and furries don't use debiab? :P |
| 16:17.59 | Itay | does it set sources automatically? |
| 16:18.01 | furrywolf | debian |
| 16:18.07 | PerfDave | furrywolf: We should be so lucky. |
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| 16:18.14 | K_Dallas | Itay, you would have the option to choose |
| 16:18.18 | nomed^ | Itay, there are nice scripts for that |
| 16:18.44 | paulswm | furrywolf: Well I have an interest in early 19th century British naval history, but I don't go on about it here :) |
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| 16:18.46 | Itay | and can I use wget and pause a download? |
| 16:18.54 | mrbuckets | My mom used to be a hot script. But now she's just an old hack |
| 16:18.54 | furrywolf | sigh. from what I've seen, there's fewer (as in, smaller percentage) paedophile furries than paedophiles in general. |
| 16:18.56 | PerfDave | paulswm: Naval-gazer :) |
| 16:19.06 | paulswm | Heh. |
| 16:19.22 | furrywolf | paul: feel free to go on about it here. I don't know anything about it, but that doesn't automatically mean I don't like it. :P |
| 16:19.26 | Nielsen | furrywolf: let me guess, zzstudios? |
| 16:19.58 | Itay | can wget pause a download and resume it? if yes, how? |
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| 16:20.08 | nomed^ | Itay, apt-get install apt-howto-common (that just to know that hoary is not debian tooo :) ) |
| 16:20.12 | furrywolf | nielson: and what does that have to do with anything? :P |
| 16:20.21 | Nielsen | Itay: wget -R or -r i think |
| 16:20.31 | furrywolf | itay: either ctrl-z or, it cancel it and resume it with wget -c |
| 16:20.40 | Nielsen | furrywolf: not much :) im a furry too |
| 16:21.00 | Itay | thank you! good bye! |
| 16:21.09 | furrywolf | heh. I've never been a fan of yiff art. :P |
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| 16:21.42 | Nielsen | fumbalah: me neither, i prefer the nice stuff |
| 16:21.44 | PerfDave | Sheesh. Why can't furries use Gentoo or Ubuntu or something? |
| 16:21.44 | Nielsen | argh |
| 16:21.49 | furrywolf | nielson: this channel needs more furs. :) |
| 16:21.55 | Nielsen | furrywolf: me neither, i prefer the nice stuff |
| 16:21.59 | paulswm | furrywolf: not a question of likes and dislikes, merely one of appropriateness - not to say we don't all stray OT of course |
| 16:22.04 | PerfDave | Life would be so much easier if all the sick and wrong shit stayed in one place. |
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| 16:22.25 | paulswm | See ya Perfy |
| 16:22.28 | furrywolf | perfdave: and what's sick and wrong with being furry, eh? |
| 16:22.37 | PerfDave | furrywolf: Hahahahahahahahahahaha. |
| 16:22.46 | mrbabiesanddaddi | Robin Williams is furry, and look where that got him |
| 16:22.47 | paulswm | I like animals. |
| 16:22.51 | PerfDave | furrywolf: If you have to ask... you should go jump off a cliff. |
| 16:22.53 | paulswm | They taste great. |
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| 16:23.15 | PerfDave | paulswm: "If God hadn't meant for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat." |
| 16:23.26 | furrywolf | perfdave: talk about avoiding the question. :P |
| 16:23.26 | paulswm | !prize PerfDave |
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| 16:23.45 | PerfDave | furrywolf: *shrug* I prefer to talk about Debian on #debian, really. |
| 16:24.05 | greycat | "If God had meant for women to rule the world, he would have given then vaginas." |
| 16:24.06 | furrywolf | bah, where's the fun in that? :) |
| 16:24.24 | greycat | s/then/them/ |
| 16:24.26 | paulswm | We're usually pretty good here about staying away from subjects which some might find offensive, like politics, religion or sexual preference, for instance |
| 16:24.40 | greycat | !pal paulswm |
| 16:24.45 | paulswm | :P |
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| 16:24.57 | furrywolf | seeing as furry is neither political, religious, or a sexual preference, it should be fine then. |
| 16:25.13 | paulswm | furrywolf: it's unrelated to debian, though |
| 16:25.29 | PerfDave | furrywolf: According to most furs, it's all of the above :p |
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| 16:25.56 | paulswm | !win EdibleTe1t |
| 16:25.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, EdibleTe1t! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 16:25.58 | furrywolf | perfdave: and which one of us knows more furs? :P |
| 16:26.08 | PerfDave | furrywolf: Evidently not you :p |
| 16:26.10 | EdibleTe1t | heh |
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| 16:26.33 | greycat | !down not across |
| 16:26.33 | dpkg | from memory, down not across is the a.s.r motto. http://google.com/search?q=down,+not+across |
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| 16:27.20 | furrywolf | perfdave: I used to run a furry club/group/whatever... and have a hundred or so death threats from SA goons to prove it. :P |
| 16:27.30 | PerfDave | furrywolf: Oh, I do hope one of them follows through :) |
| 16:27.39 | furrywolf | that's not very nice. :P |
| 16:27.52 | PerfDave | Neither's child molestation. |
| 16:28.01 | CrAzYWolF | question im on a network and i want to block sites from the users box is squid a good app to make that happen? |
| 16:28.21 | CrAzYWolF | or there are others app that i can use? |
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| 16:28.32 | PerfDave | CrAzYWolF: Uhm, you'll have to tighten your network. |
| 16:28.36 | furrywolf | perfdave: do you have any evidence whatsoever that any more furs molest children than the general population? or are you just making stuff up? |
| 16:28.40 | shingouz | stop pulling furrywolfs tail ;) |
| 16:28.59 | PerfDave | furrywolf: Oh, just the furry fandom in general, their websites, talking to them IRL. |
| 16:29.03 | CrAzYWolF | PerfDave tighten ok will do but where extacly |
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| 16:29.17 | greycat | CrAzYWolF: perhaps #squid would be a place to ask. |
| 16:29.35 | greycat | PerfDave: I don't consider censorship a security mechanism. |
| 16:29.37 | PerfDave | CrAzYWolF: Well, you'll have to make sure that all HTTP requests go through your squid server. Either set up a transparent proxy, or block all non-squid HTTP outgoing traffic. |
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| 16:29.42 | furrywolf | perfdave: such as? you're being rather vauge. :P |
| 16:29.44 | CrAzYWolF | ohh cool dind't know there was a chan for that let me check |
| 16:29.55 | mtnman | any recommendations on a hosting service which offers debian and can get a machine up quickly? |
| 16:29.57 | PerfDave | furrywolf: I'm not going to go into specfics, it's offtopic. |
| 16:30.20 | mtnman | (quickly == today) |
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| 16:30.48 | PerfDave | mtnman: http://www.bytemark.co.uk/ might be worth a look. No idea about speed of new accounts but their support appears to be pretty quick to respond. |
| 16:30.49 | furrywolf | I don't know what kind of furs you know, but I've yet to meet, or even heard of, a paedophile fur... sure, they probably exist, but I've yet to hear of one. |
| 16:31.06 | PerfDave | furrywolf: It must be nice to be so blinkered to the things you like :) |
| 16:31.15 | mtnman | perfdave: ah, but i need one in the us (client doesn't want to pay euros) |
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| 16:31.21 | hyde | what's the difference between network cable CAT6 and CAT6e? |
| 16:31.30 | PerfDave | mtnman: Hmm, can't help then, I'm not in .us :) |
| 16:31.44 | mtnman | perfdave: thanks anyhow... |
| 16:31.46 | shurik | I don't think there's cat6e |
| 16:31.53 | mtnman | shurik: yes, there is. |
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| 16:32.17 | shurik | I've seen cat5, cat5e and cat6 |
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| 16:32.29 | mtnman | oh, yeah, i was thinking of 5e |
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| 16:32.56 | furrywolf | perfdave: it must be nice to base your opinions entirely on third-party anecdotal evidence and occasional media sensationalism rather than on actual fact. :P |
| 16:32.58 | paulswm | furrywolf: illisutration, if someone came in here spamming sex with children, you would no doubt find it offensive, and that's how some in here may feel about your own particular eccentricity, so dropping the subject is really just being considerate |
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| 16:33.21 | greycat | paulswm: that's a rather poor analogy. |
| 16:33.34 | paulswm | Why? |
| 16:33.35 | SuRfLoKo | where did i get linux debian ? |
| 16:33.43 | shurik | cat5 was created for fast ethernet, cat5e for extra perfomance for gigabit ethernet, imho |
| 16:33.45 | bush | !annoy SuRfLoKo |
| 16:33.48 | furrywolf | !d-i surf |
| 16:33.48 | dpkg | surf, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:33.51 | paulswm | gerynm, I don't want to argue with you or waste your time. |
| 16:33.58 | paulswm | greycat: , I don't want to argue with you or waste your time. |
| 16:34.03 | greycat | paulswm: because dressing up in fur for fun is *not* even remotely close to statutory rape. |
| 16:34.19 | hyde | here are some CAT6e cables |
| 16:34.22 | hyde | http://www.dttuk.co.uk/structured-cabling-cat6-high-prices.htm |
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| 16:34.39 | SuRfLoKo | where did i get linux manual to install it? |
| 16:34.47 | greycat | !d-i SuRfLoKo |
| 16:34.48 | dpkg | SuRfLoKo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:35.02 | furrywolf | greycat: I already did that. :) |
| 16:35.54 | j_k | furrywolf: yes, but only once wasn't sufficient, apparently :-) |
| 16:36.14 | furrywolf | people who need to be told more than once might not be cut out to be linux users. :P |
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| 16:36.22 | SuRfLoKo | !annoy |
| 16:36.29 | greycat | furrywolf: yours didn't have the full nick, though... |
| 16:36.31 | greycat | *shrug* |
| 16:36.31 | SuRfLoKo | !d-i |
| 16:36.31 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 16:36.41 | CrAzYWolF | wierd apt-get doesn't have irssi |
| 16:36.48 | greycat | CrAzYWolF: try irssi-text |
| 16:36.55 | paulswm | greycat: my definition is broader, I guess. AH, well. |
| 16:36.57 | greycat | CrAzYWolF: try 'apt-cache seach irssi' |
| 16:37.04 | green_earz | SuRfLoKo: and bookmart Debian Reference > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 16:37.06 | CrAzYWolF | roger thanks |
| 16:37.15 | giupy | how can i remove alsa settings and restore oss ? |
| 16:37.39 | IDC | i need help please,i didn't notice it's a ln but not ln -s but i wrong removed that link along with mysqld.sock |
| 16:37.45 | CrAzYWolF | clear |
| 16:37.50 | IDC | can anyone please send me that file ? |
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| 16:38.00 | greycat | .sock was a *file*?? |
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| 16:38.03 | greycat | unlikely. |
| 16:38.09 | IDC | hmm ? |
| 16:38.12 | shingouz | giupy: basically remove all pointers to the snd* modules everywhere and replace them with the appropriate oss modules. you will have some headaches while doing it though |
| 16:38.27 | IDC | green_earz, I accidently removed /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 16:38.50 | IDC | i forgot i put a link to it but it was not from a ln -s |
| 16:39.03 | giupy | shingouz, uhh, something more easy ? :)) |
| 16:39.10 | IDC | oops green_earz ,wrong person |
| 16:39.37 | shingouz | giupy: nope, sorry |
| 16:39.50 | giupy | :) |
| 16:39.51 | IDC | how can i retrieve that file |
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| 16:40.11 | shingouz | giupy: been there a couple of times and have the scars to prove it. painful but doable |
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| 16:40.25 | CrAzYWolF | the apt-cache told me what irssi is |
| 16:40.25 | greycat | why the hell would you think anything in /var/run which ends with *sock* is a) a file, or b) something that you would need to manually install? |
| 16:40.55 | giupy | shingouz, k thanks |
| 16:40.57 | CrAzYWolF | apt-get install irssi dind't work |
| 16:41.16 | CrAzYWolF | package not found mmmm need to do it manually then |
| 16:41.26 | drac_ | CrAzYWolF: Then you didn't look apt-cache correctly. |
| 16:41.32 | shingouz | CrAzYWolF: apt-get update before you install |
| 16:41.45 | greycat | type the actual name of the package that apt-cache showed you. |
| 16:41.45 | drac_ | Because irssi package name is not irssi. |
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| 16:41.51 | IDC | greycat, I need to make a link to it,i tried,but in a wrong directory,so i removed that link ,but i forgot that was from doing 'ln' so when i was removing the link it actually removed both files |
| 16:41.53 | furrywolf | back in a bit... need to warm up my generator and make sure it still starts instantly before loaning it to someone. :) |
| 16:41.59 | MobyTurbo | CrAzYWolF: irssi-text |
| 16:42.10 | CrAzYWolF | ohhh |
| 16:42.13 | CrAzYWolF | got it |
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| 16:42.21 | CrAzYWolF | my bad sorry |
| 16:42.22 | greycat | IDC: did you get too much mercury as a child? |
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| 16:42.46 | IDC | ? |
| 16:42.55 | greycat | svr1a:~$ ls -l /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 16:42.55 | greycat | srwxrwxrwx 1 mysql mysql 0 May 11 15:16 /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
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| 16:43.10 | greycat | IT IS A FUCKING SOCKET! IMAGINE THAT! IT'S A SOCKET AND IT ENDS WITH .sock! |
| 16:43.26 | IDC | oh |
| 16:43.33 | greycat | (and it's in fucking /var/run!) |
| 16:43.38 | furrywolf | greycat: no one else fucks socks. too much information. :P |
| 16:43.39 | greycat | don't you know what /var/run is? |
| 16:43.40 | IDC | but now,i missed that .sock |
| 16:43.46 | greycat | so restart mysqld. |
| 16:43.50 | greycat | GODS. |
| 16:43.53 | greycat | !sing monday |
| 16:43.53 | dpkg | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
| 16:44.13 | greycat | furrywolf: oh, you prefer nylons? |
| 16:44.18 | dvs | is there a song for every day of the week? |
| 16:44.23 | greycat | dvs: unfortunately no |
| 16:44.28 | SuRfLoKo | which of all download ? in http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:44.29 | exobyte | I have 2 hard drives, one I use, one for backup. Is there a tool that can keep an list of hashes, update files on the backup as needed, but report when a hash unexpectedly changed (corrupted file)? |
| 16:44.32 | dvs | just seems like it ;-) |
| 16:44.35 | greycat | there just aren't enough songs about most days. |
| 16:44.35 | MobyTurbo | !permasunday |
| 16:44.35 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 16:44.42 | furrywolf | bbl, need to dig the generator out from the pile of boxes that have accumulated on it. :) |
| 16:44.43 | paulswm | !tuesday |
| 16:44.43 | dpkg | i guess tuesday is soylent green day |
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| 16:45.10 | greycat | tuesday has a couple (rolling stones "Ruby Tuesday", moody blues "Tuesday Afternoon"), but neither is very amusing. |
| 16:45.28 | furrywolf | !secondtuesday |
| 16:45.28 | dpkg | methinks secondtuesday is debian releases always happen on the second tuesday of each week |
| 16:45.31 | paulswm | I was thinking of "Ruby Tuesday". |
| 16:46.00 | shingouz | greycat: monday, bloody monady; blue monday |
| 16:46.05 | jetscreamer | the song or the food place |
| 16:46.14 | greycat | shingouz: uh, the former is "sunday, bloody sunday" |
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| 16:46.31 | shingouz | oh. true. i am not into u2 |
| 16:46.31 | greycat | and we already have monday covered, by the boomtown rats. |
| 16:46.31 | rob_lt | Is there a way to span a tar.gz over a couple discs, but when I go to untar the first one, it will ask for the second disc when it gets to the end of the first one? |
| 16:46.49 | jetscreamer | !u2-- |
| 16:47.06 | paulswm | greycat: Yes, but that is such a depressing song. |
| 16:47.09 | jetscreamer | rob_lt: it should ask you |
| 16:47.24 | greycat | paulswm: for a depressing day. |
| 16:47.25 | jetscreamer | man tar, that functionality is there |
| 16:47.39 | rob_lt | jetscreamer, ok thanks.... I wasn't sure. That is if I split it up using the "split" command? Just want to be sure. |
| 16:47.44 | furrywolf | I found my own true love was on a Blue Sunday / She looked at me and told me / I was the only, One in the world. (jim morrison) |
| 16:48.25 | jetscreamer | rob_lt: forget what i said, i know nothing about tar. worng program. |
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| 16:48.42 | jetscreamer | but it should |
| 16:48.43 | rob_lt | jetscreamer, ok :) |
| 16:48.50 | rob_lt | I'll just do a quick test here. |
| 16:49.08 | furrywolf | what days need songs? |
| 16:49.20 | paulswm | All of them. |
| 16:49.31 | paulswm | Oh, I see, which haven't already got them. |
| 16:49.38 | furrywolf | yes. :P |
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| 16:50.04 | greycat | sunday, monday and wednesday have songs. |
| 16:50.23 | peterS | thursday has a quote, that should be close enough |
| 16:50.29 | greycat | "Wednesday" is a newer Tori Amos song, by the way. Most of you may not recognize it. |
| 16:50.33 | jetscreamer | the mommans and the pappas hava a song with all the names in it don't they.. and then there's the monkee's |
| 16:50.37 | useruser | rob_lt: i don't think split has any such functionality |
| 16:50.54 | jetscreamer | saturday's child iirc |
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| 16:51.14 | greycat | jetscreamer: "Saturday Night's All Right For Fighting" comes to mind. |
| 16:51.16 | paulswm | furrywolf: Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday it looks like. |
| 16:51.41 | peterS | "Tuesday Afternoon", Moody Blues |
| 16:51.43 | furrywolf | grepping my mp3 list... Tuesday Afternoon by the moody blues... Country Joe and the Fish - I Feel Like I'm Fixin' to Die Rag - 08 - Lsd Song & Thursday.mp3, Bryan Maclean - Ifyoubelievein - 09 - Friday's Party.mp3, Jefferson Airplane - After Bathing at Baxter's - 12 - Saturday Afternoon.mp3 |
| 16:51.48 | shingouz | i think i remeber something like "friday on my mind" seventies maybe? |
| 16:51.53 | greycat | peterS: now find an amusing lyric in it. |
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| 16:51.58 | jetscreamer | there has to be a hymn with sunday in the title |
| 16:52.07 | sussudio | shingouz: easybeats |
| 16:52.12 | jetscreamer | !sing hymms |
| 16:52.14 | peterS | greycat: hmmmm. I don't have my speakers plugged in, so I guess google to the rescue |
| 16:52.25 | rob_lt | Hrmmm.... what I'm trying to do is make a tar.gz of my / partition. I'm then going to try to boot from CD, and restore from another external usb CD drive. The problem is, the tar.gz is going to span at least 2 CD's, and I can't copy them and put them back together before I start untarring. |
| 16:52.36 | jetscreamer | use rar |
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| 16:52.45 | Kjetil | ?? kernel |
| 16:52.52 | greycat | shingouz: find an amusing lyric in it. |
| 16:52.57 | jetscreamer | rar the tar |
| 16:53.00 | Kjetil | kernel? |
| 16:53.08 | greycat | Kjetil: what about it? |
| 16:53.11 | jetscreamer | !tell Kjetil about kernel |
| 16:53.15 | Kjetil | thanks |
| 16:53.15 | shingouz | yea... i should have to grep half the internet for the words to being with :) |
| 16:53.21 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 16:53.46 | peterS | Friday would have to be The Cure. "Friday I'm in love" |
| 16:53.46 | Kjetil | ehm |
| 16:53.46 | jetscreamer | !real kernel |
| 16:53.46 | dpkg | it has been said that real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 16:53.46 | greycat | shingouz: "doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo" is in it. |
| 16:53.46 | greycat | shingouz: hope that helps. |
| 16:53.47 | useruser | rob_lt: looks like tar -M may do what you want.. perhaps |
| 16:53.48 | shingouz | greycat: thanks :) |
| 16:53.54 | paulswm | greycat: Monday's "And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die" is hardly amusing. |
| 16:53.57 | greycat | furrywolf: the Tori Amos song called "Wednesday" is one of the few I know. |
| 16:54.12 | rob_lt | useruser, thanks... I' |
| 16:54.16 | rob_lt | I'll take a look |
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| 16:54.19 | furrywolf | I have every day but wednesday. :) |
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| 16:54.40 | peterS | shingouz: how can you hate the cure? |
| 16:54.42 | Kjetil | friend of mine updated the kernel on his "fresh" woody install from 2.2.20 to 2.4.18 but the modules are missing |
| 16:54.47 | jetscreamer | cuz they suck |
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| 16:54.48 | Kjetil | rather wierd |
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| 16:55.01 | greycat | !gothsmite jetscreamer |
| 16:55.02 | dvs | Kjetil: Did he use the debian package? |
| 16:55.12 | shingouz | peterS: i am old enough to have grown up on things like the beach boys and black sabbath |
| 16:55.15 | Kjetil | dvs: yeah, he used apt-get |
| 16:55.16 | jetscreamer | try modconf, Kjetil ? |
| 16:55.21 | peterS | shingouz: oh, ok. maybe you're excused |
| 16:55.23 | dvs | Kjetil: Oh! Probably initrd |
| 16:55.29 | MrKeuner | does dvdrecord use /etc/defaults/cdrecord as well? |
| 16:55.30 | shingouz | peterS: ty |
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| 16:55.33 | jetscreamer | ahh |
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| 16:55.45 | bwlang | anybody know how i can download all the dependencies for a given app... i need to put them on a cd for an offline host |
| 16:55.46 | greycat | MrKeuner: strace it and see. |
| 16:55.52 | Kjetil | dvs: why would initrd fuck up /lib/modules ? |
| 16:55.56 | jetscreamer | Kjetil: when you go from 2.2 to 2.4 you need to add the initrd= line in lilo.conf |
| 16:55.58 | MrKeuner | greycat/ how can I strace? |
| 16:56.04 | jetscreamer | if you mean it won't boot |
| 16:56.06 | dvs | Kjetil: The modules are in the initrd image |
| 16:56.06 | peterS | bwlang: well, there is apt-get -d install given_app |
| 16:56.12 | peterS | bwlang: though that won't download anything you already have |
| 16:56.15 | greycat | MrKeuner: this is UNIX, not kindergarten. |
| 16:56.18 | furrywolf | They call it stormy Monday, but Tuesday's just as bad / They call it stormy Monday, but Tuesday's just as bad / Wednesday's worse, right on to Thursday, both so sad, yeah |
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| 16:56.40 | Kjetil | dvs: thanks |
| 16:57.08 | dvs | Kjetil: np. Just add the initrd= line in lilo.conf |
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| 16:57.31 | furrywolf | Monday, monday, can't trust that day / Monday, monday, sometimes it just turns out that way |
| 16:57.35 | furrywolf | bbl, need to have a life. :P |
| 16:57.41 | greycat | furrywolf: there are a LOT of songs for monday. |
| 16:57.43 | jetscreamer | initrd=/initrd.img usually, or point it at the actual file in /boot |
| 16:57.48 | jetscreamer | then rerun lilo |
| 16:58.19 | Kjetil | grub is teh superior :) |
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| 16:58.45 | shingouz | jetscreamer: he might bite... |
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| 16:59.10 | F-Lelo | Hi Guys |
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| 16:59.28 | furrywolf | saturday afternoon / saturday afternoon / when your head is feeling fine / you can ride inside our car / I will give you caps of blue and silver sunlight for your hair / all that soon will be is what you need to see, my love / won't you try / won't you try |
| 16:59.46 | shingouz | jetscreamer: you stepped on other tails too i guess |
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| 17:00.03 | jetscreamer | my mother's wolf didn't like to be told what to do |
| 17:00.06 | F-Lelo | I have a P43.6HT with 2GB of Ram runnnig Debian and I want to use it to serve X's window to a MS Windows Desktop... What can I use on MS Windows to accept X queries? |
| 17:00.22 | ohad | hi, does anyone know if there's a deb pkg for openoffice.org 2.0beta/1.9x? |
| 17:00.28 | F-Lelo | I open ssh -q -X ... and run something... How can I accept this window on the windows machine? |
| 17:00.28 | shingouz | jetscreamer: ouch. a real wolf? as in 100% the real thing? neat |
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| 17:00.35 | jetscreamer | 7/8ths |
| 17:00.55 | shingouz | jetscreamer: nice |
| 17:00.58 | jetscreamer | timber wolf.. his name was timber (original eh) |
| 17:01.03 | shingouz | very |
| 17:01.06 | greycat | F-Lelo: run an X server first. |
| 17:01.07 | Kjetil | F-Lelo: xwin32 ? |
| 17:01.21 | F-Lelo | Kjetil: is there such thing? |
| 17:01.30 | F-Lelo | if there is, that would do |
| 17:01.31 | jetscreamer | yes but it costs money |
| 17:01.36 | Kjetil | yes.. but it`s commercial |
| 17:01.36 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 17:01.36 | F-Lelo | aaaaw... =/ |
| 17:01.37 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:01.45 | F-Lelo | so I need something else heheh |
| 17:01.49 | Kjetil | You can use cygwin + X I guess |
| 17:01.51 | jetscreamer | cygwin i hear |
| 17:01.53 | furrywolf | Saturday Night's Alright for fighting, to get a little action in / I get about as oiled as a diesel train, gonna set this dance alight / Cause Saturday Night's the night I like, / Saturday Night's Alright... / Alright, Alright! (The Who - Thirty Years of Maximum R&B - Disk 4 - 21 - Saturday Night's Alright (For Fighting).mp3) |
| 17:02.00 | F-Lelo | hmmm cygwin works with X? |
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| 17:02.10 | jetscreamer | elton john did it better imo |
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| 17:02.20 | furrywolf | elton john annoys me. :P |
| 17:02.44 | jetscreamer | captain fantastic and the brown dirt cowboys was a pretty good album |
| 17:02.47 | peterS | whom does elton john not annoy? |
| 17:02.51 | furrywolf | can't believe pete townshend put up with him. :) |
| 17:02.59 | Kjetil | F-Lelo: http://x.cygwin.com/ |
| 17:03.05 | F-Lelo | Thanks Kjetil !!! :) |
| 17:03.13 | ohad | or, does anyone know if there's a linux application that can allow one to have views to a ms sql db? |
| 17:03.14 | jetscreamer | what, they were 'roommates'? |
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| 17:03.41 | jasoncohen | i'm tryingn to set a cronjob to do a daily backup of my mythtv db but i can't' figure out how to include the date in the file name |
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| 17:04.05 | peterS | jasoncohen: put $(date +%Y-%m-%d) on the command line somewhere |
| 17:04.10 | furrywolf | joasoncohen: for a bash script, "$(date)" works.... |
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| 17:04.15 | jasoncohen | thanks petemc |
| 17:04.19 | jasoncohen | woops |
| 17:04.22 | jasoncohen | thanks peterS |
| 17:04.23 | peterS | poor petemc |
| 17:04.34 | peterS | he's been getting my highlights for a year and a half |
| 17:04.41 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 17:04.49 | peterS | I get one of his every now and then but not all that often |
| 17:04.53 | furrywolf | change your nick? :P |
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| 17:05.16 | CrAzYWolF | .cl |
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| 17:05.20 | raf256 | wtf O_o |
| 17:05.22 | CrAzYWolF | better |
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| 17:05.47 | raf256 | my synaptics doesnt find any mule or donkey clients packages, on debian sarge... wtf? |
| 17:05.58 | kimtree | does the sarge have total fourteen iso for installing? |
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| 17:06.06 | jetscreamer | !info emule sarge |
| 17:06.14 | peterS | raf256: maybe the rest of us only download legal things, so http works fine |
| 17:06.17 | jetscreamer | !info emule woody |
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| 17:06.32 | jetscreamer | must be a sid thing |
| 17:06.35 | furrywolf | !star wreck |
| 17:06.35 | raf256 | peterS: maybe medonkey is used also for legal things |
| 17:06.52 | raf256 | !info emule sarge |
| 17:06.53 | peterS | raf256: but why would it be? people really don't have access to their own home pages? |
| 17:06.55 | raf256 | !info emule sid |
| 17:07.25 | raf256 | peterS: not everyone owns hiquality server with no limits you know |
| 17:07.26 | jasoncohen | peterS, mysqldump -mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -c | bzip2 -9 mythbackup-$(date +%m-%d) |
| 17:07.29 | jasoncohen | is that correct? |
| 17:07.32 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search emule |
| 17:07.37 | jetscreamer | works every time |
| 17:07.50 | raf256 | jetscreamer: *dpkg* Package 'emule' does not exist. |
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| 17:07.59 | jetscreamer | !info xmule sarge |
| 17:08.01 | raf256 | (dpkg as in "out bot dpkg") |
| 17:08.02 | peterS | jasoncohen: I don't know mysqldump but it should end with | bzip2 -9 > mythbackup-$(date +%m-%d).bz2 |
| 17:08.07 | jetscreamer | !info xmule sid |
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| 17:08.13 | dpkg | xmule: (an eMule client for the edonkey2000 network), section net, is optional. Version: 1.9.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1029 kB, Installed size: 3244 kB |
| 17:08.14 | peterS | jasoncohen: note the ">" and the addition of a file extension to make it easy to see what sort of file it is |
| 17:08.24 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search emule |
| 17:08.33 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search mule |
| 17:08.41 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know if wget has a equivalent windows command? |
| 17:08.49 | jetscreamer | yes it's called wget |
| 17:08.52 | jetscreamer | download it |
| 17:08.52 | peterS | TwistedEmotions: you can install wget on windows |
| 17:08.54 | raf256 | only in sid? shit |
| 17:09.02 | TwistedEmotions | peterS: oh thanks. |
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| 17:09.08 | jetscreamer | raf256: apt-cache search emule in an xterm |
| 17:09.14 | jasoncohen | peterS, thanks |
| 17:09.14 | jetscreamer | err make that mule |
| 17:09.16 | raf256 | how can I install one package from SID? and how to make shure it will not mess entire pack system |
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| 17:09.34 | mirak | there is still no way to mount an iso as a user ? |
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| 17:09.46 | jetscreamer | mirak: sure there is |
| 17:09.49 | raf256 | jetscreamer: I know how to use search in apt. But I have sarge not sid and there isnt emule in it |
| 17:10.02 | jetscreamer | raf256: ok then sarge stability doesn't like it |
| 17:10.15 | Myren | whats the keyboard shortcut to navigate between tabs in Firefox? |
| 17:10.18 | furrywolf | brb |
| 17:10.19 | jetscreamer | raf256: apt-pinning, backports.org |
| 17:10.26 | jetscreamer | and so on |
| 17:10.30 | raf256 | thnx |
| 17:10.38 | Kompo | Any debian from scratch gurus here? I'm trying to install debian kernel in chroot environment, but it doesn't work because my chroot /dev doesn't contain the mounted hard drives. Any insights how i could mount the /dev from non-chroot inside chroot? |
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| 17:11.23 | jetscreamer | mirak: mount has a tendency to not be suid sometimes, with a sarge install |
| 17:11.43 | mirak | jetscreamer: how to do it ? |
| 17:11.56 | jetscreamer | chmod +s, if it's not suid |
| 17:12.07 | peterS | jetscreamer: that'd be a bug. lots of people need mount to be setuid. I can't imagine why it would install itself not-suid |
| 17:12.08 | mirak | yes but it means that any user will be able to mount anything ? |
| 17:12.34 | jetscreamer | peterS: i dunno why, or how, but you know it does get that way |
| 17:12.41 | mirak | why isn't pmount doing that by the way ? |
| 17:12.41 | peterS | jetscreamer: weird |
| 17:12.46 | jetscreamer | mirak: it means anyuser could use mount |
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| 17:13.01 | mirak | that's not what I am looking for |
| 17:13.05 | jetscreamer | but not nec. mount 'anything' |
| 17:13.07 | peterS | mirak: no, mount enforces its own security boundaries |
| 17:13.12 | mirak | I am more looking for something similar to pmount but for iso |
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| 17:13.31 | peterS | mirak: it only lets arbitrary users mount things that are labeled in /etc/fstab as 'user', and it doesn't let users pass additional flags to it when they do |
| 17:13.31 | jetscreamer | i mount blah.iso /blah -o loop i think |
| 17:13.32 | mirak | so what exactly happens then ? |
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| 17:14.04 | mirak | so a fstab line is needed ? |
| 17:14.14 | jetscreamer | no |
| 17:14.17 | peterS | mirak: yep |
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| 17:14.33 | mirak | OS X handled isos like removable devices in /mountedVolumes or something liek that |
| 17:14.35 | jetscreamer | for the user capability i guess, but not just to mount somethjing |
| 17:14.36 | peterS | mirak: otherwise mount has no way of knowing whether an administrator would want a user mounting a specific thing in a specific place |
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| 17:14.59 | mirak | peterS: so it's really dynamicall |
| 17:15.06 | mirak | not |
| 17:15.21 | peterS | mirak: 'mount' reads /etc/fstab to determine what a non-root user should be allowed to mount. it's that simple |
| 17:15.45 | jetscreamer | but the user could still mount anything he owns in a dir he owns, correct? |
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| 17:17.12 | mirak | peterS: yes but where can he mount it ? |
| 17:17.23 | peterS | mirak: wherever the admin specifies that he can, in /etc/fstab |
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| 17:17.42 | mirak | yes but the problem is that you can mount only one iso |
| 17:17.57 | raf256 | jetscreamer: http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/stable/ dont seem to have xmule or emule |
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| 17:18.14 | mirak | I think it should be the job of pmount to do that |
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| 17:19.33 | furrywolf | yeep! |
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| 17:19.46 | mememe | hi |
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| 17:20.08 | furrywolf | sorry :) |
| 17:20.15 | CrAxYWolF | irssi better |
| 17:20.18 | CrAxYWolF | thanks guys |
| 17:20.33 | CrAxYWolF | now let me try to fix that squid thing |
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| 17:21.06 | jc-denton | lots of people asking me if i use skype |
| 17:21.18 | jc-denton | i don't want it, its stupid spyware and stuff |
| 17:21.24 | jc-denton | is there an alternative? |
| 17:21.40 | shingouz | jc-denton: not that i know of |
| 17:22.38 | geekboi | I have Debian 3.1 running 2.6.11.4, and for some reason, it continually loses time, despite the fact that I'm syncing with the USNO every 1/2 hour or so |
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| 17:22.46 | jc-denton | hrmm |
| 17:22.55 | dvs | geekboi: How are you syncing |
| 17:22.56 | shingouz | jc-denton: sourceforge has a couple of projects listed that supposedly are trying to make an open version of skype but they are still in planning afaik |
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| 17:23.06 | greycat | geekboi: run ntp-simple |
| 17:23.09 | jc-denton | shingouz: thx |
| 17:23.49 | shingouz | jc-denton: if you really need it, grab the skype deb off the skype website, looks like it works pretty well |
| 17:23.51 | furrywolf | linux spyware? |
| 17:23.54 | geekboi | dvs: cronjob 0,30 * * * * ntpdate tick.usno.navy.mil |
| 17:23.56 | shingouz | skype |
| 17:24.07 | furrywolf | don't know what it is |
| 17:24.11 | peterS | geekboi: I think you mean pool.ntp.org |
| 17:24.14 | shingouz | www.skype.com |
| 17:24.23 | furrywolf | and if it's spyware, I don't want it. :P |
| 17:24.24 | shingouz | furrywolf: some odd VoIP thingie |
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| 17:24.26 | geekboi | It sync with tick if I do it manually |
| 17:24.33 | jetscreamer | i don't have jack in fstab about it, i mount under ~. i own * . it works. |
| 17:24.44 | greycat | geekboi: why the fuck would you run ntpdate every 30 minutes instead of running ntpd? |
| 17:24.55 | dvs | geekboi: Isn't there an entry in /etc/cron.daily? |
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| 17:25.15 | jc-denton | shingouz: do u know who coded skype? |
| 17:25.24 | jc-denton | the same guys as kazzaa |
| 17:25.26 | greycat | !skype |
| 17:25.26 | dpkg | methinks skype is a free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols |
| 17:25.26 | shingouz | jc-denton: no? should i? |
| 17:25.29 | shingouz | true |
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| 17:25.50 | jc-denton | so i f### dont wnat it |
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| 17:25.55 | jc-denton | want |
| 17:26.02 | greycat | dpkg, skype =~ s/free/non-free/ |
| 17:26.02 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 17:26.08 | wolf__ | damn someone shutdown the linux box |
| 17:26.10 | wolf__ | >:@ |
| 17:26.13 | jc-denton | but i need something to communicate with skype usesr |
| 17:26.21 | jc-denton | greycat: free(beer) is correct i think |
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| 17:26.26 | greycat | jc-denton: irc, e-mail, smoke signals, ... |
| 17:26.30 | shingouz | jc-denton: you are out of luck then. skype or not at all. |
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| 17:27.09 | jc-denton | noo |
| 17:27.09 | jethro | telepathy is cool too |
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| 17:27.31 | greycat | jc-denton: get busy reverse engineering it. |
| 17:27.50 | jc-denton | i dont have skills/time |
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| 17:28.04 | shingouz | jc-denton: i think the protocol has been hacked already, there was something about it on /. |
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| 17:28.24 | jc-denton | shingouz: ah that would be cool |
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| 17:28.54 | geekboi | Okay. Running ntp-simple now |
| 17:29.08 | jc-denton | http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~library/TR-repository/reports/reports-2004/cucs-039-04.pdf |
| 17:29.11 | jc-denton | that seems to be cool |
| 17:29.36 | shingouz | jc-denton: now just hack a nice openskype and i'll promise to beta it :) |
| 17:30.24 | maja | should i be conserned if my drives go form hde-h insted of a-d after new kernel install ? |
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| 17:30.50 | dvs | maja: If it's running fine then no. |
| 17:31.06 | dvs | maja: it is a bit weird though |
| 17:31.13 | maja | dvs: ok just have to change my fstab around ? |
| 17:31.19 | dvs | maja: yup |
| 17:31.25 | maja | and it seems to be working fine |
| 17:31.42 | dvs | maja: fugetaboutit |
| 17:31.43 | K_Dallas | Hi_guys! What daemon takes care of time synchronization? thanks |
| 17:31.50 | jetscreamer | ntpdate |
| 17:32.01 | dvs | K_Dallas: listen to jetscreamer |
| 17:32.03 | K_Dallas | should i install it? cannot find it with whereis |
| 17:32.04 | jetscreamer | or ntp |
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| 17:32.16 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search ntp |
| 17:32.21 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 17:32.31 | K_Dallas | i was under the impression that it was installed on my system ;) |
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| 17:32.39 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 17:32.42 | maja | dvs: can do :) |
| 17:32.42 | jetscreamer | make that ntp- |
| 17:32.53 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 17:32.55 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 17:33.14 | jim | ntpd syncs, ntpdate sets once from another ntpd |
| 17:33.33 | jim | likely you'll need both |
| 17:33.51 | greycat | and if your clock is as bad as mine, even with both of those, it STILL won't keep in sync. |
| 17:34.11 | jetscreamer | mine get off like 6 seconds every few days or so :( |
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| 17:34.38 | dvs | my clock is perfect. It's a rolex ;-) |
| 17:34.46 | greycat | mine's so bad that even with openntpd calling adjtime() every 30 seconds (witnessed by running it in debug mode), it *still* falls behind. |
| 17:35.07 | jim | did you get it from one of those rolecks spam? |
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| 17:35.09 | Morvok | greycat: is it a mac? |
| 17:35.17 | greycat | nope. VIA x86 motherboard. |
| 17:35.26 | shingouz | greycat: does the box have one of those sucky Dallas clockchips? |
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| 17:35.35 | Morvok | greycat: cool I want to get one of them. |
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| 17:35.46 | RichiH | greycat: with 30 sec updates? ouchies.. |
| 17:35.47 | greycat | 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400/KT600 AGP] Host Bridge |
| 17:35.59 | dvs | KT400? Yuck! |
| 17:36.12 | greycat | RichiH: wow. |
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| 17:36.23 | jethro | pot makes me waste more than that |
| 17:36.28 | RichiH | greycat: yah, i think the quartz broke or sth |
| 17:36.34 | FieldySnuts | eh, what did i walk into |
| 17:36.35 | RichiH | greycat: also, it's unregular |
| 17:36.36 | greycat | !win RichiH |
| 17:36.37 | dpkg | Congratulations, RichiH! You have won the US presidency! |
| 17:36.39 | RichiH | sometimes more, sometimes less |
| 17:36.45 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: a trollfest |
| 17:36.46 | RichiH | hehe, thanks :p |
| 17:36.49 | greycat | RichiH: yeah, mine's not a steady loss either. but yours is worse. |
| 17:36.54 | FieldySnuts | shingouz: :/ |
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| 17:36.56 | RichiH | yay me |
| 17:37.17 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: gotcha ;) |
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| 17:39.31 | J_P | hi all |
| 17:40.14 | RichiH | greycat: as the box is a laptop i can't update it every day, but on the other hand, it's not too bad |
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| 17:41.25 | Aradorn | hello |
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| 17:43.08 | kullanici | how can i open two different gmail accounts with one user on firefox ? |
| 17:43.10 | p88 | hi all |
| 17:43.16 | p88 | does anyone here have gmailfs? |
| 17:43.21 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 17:43.21 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:43.37 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: any ideas? |
| 17:43.37 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box of string, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 three-legged ostriches. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 17:43.39 | p88 | I am not asking if anyone uses it |
| 17:43.43 | kullanici | p88, i used gmailfs on windows.. |
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| 17:43.53 | greycat | you wanted to know whether anyone has it but doesn't use it? |
| 17:43.56 | greycat | that's even stupider. |
| 17:44.01 | p88 | ;) |
| 17:44.23 | p88 | if people have it they know if it works or not if they use it they just know it works |
| 17:44.29 | p88 | otherwise they wouldn't use it |
| 17:44.37 | kullanici | anyone know my question's answer? |
| 17:44.49 | kullanici | p88, it works |
| 17:44.52 | kullanici | :p |
| 17:44.53 | FieldySnuts | if we know and also care, we'll answer |
| 17:44.54 | green_earz | hi all just a bit of please. i have a two eth card brigde box. and i want to set the mtu rate for the cards. the br0 in the interface file will not take the mtu xxxx command so i try it in "if-pre-up.d" as a cript ifconfig eth0 mtu xxxx but no luck. any idears ? |
| 17:44.59 | p88 | ok :) |
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| 17:45.58 | green_earz | should be > hi all just a bit of help please |
| 17:46.04 | Aradorn | can anyone walking me through applying a patch to my kernel for usb boot support? |
| 17:46.10 | libra102 | hello |
| 17:46.22 | csy | http://csy.int0rw3b.com/Clipboard01.jpg <- any of u ever had anything like that before? solution? |
| 17:46.57 | |stefan| | csy font problems i see =) |
| 17:47.06 | csy | mmhmm |
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| 17:47.15 | csy | im pretty sure i installed all of the ones needed tho :( |
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| 17:47.49 | greycat | GAH. Why isn't there an easily findable list of modes on the freenode.net FAQ? |
| 17:47.58 | shingouz | Aradorn: grab the patch and the proper kernel source, slap the patch into the kernel directory, patch -p1 --dry-run < name.of.diff and see if you get any errors. if it applies cleanly, do the same without the --dry-run. man patch before you start working on it |
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| 17:48.15 | alindeman | greycat: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
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| 17:48.36 | Aradorn | k ill give it a whirl =) |
| 17:48.52 | libra102 | kill |
| 17:49.10 | greycat | alindeman: oh, thanks... why isn't that searchable inside the FAQ by typing the keyword "modes"? |
| 17:49.25 | alindeman | greycat: Hm, probably should be |
| 17:49.28 | alindeman | I'll look into doing it |
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| 17:49.55 | greycat | roote: can you speak now? |
| 17:49.56 | shingouz | what is that then? |
| 17:50.17 | roote | greycat: PING |
| 17:50.26 | shingouz | he can |
| 17:50.28 | roote | ok |
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| 17:50.32 | roote | thanks a lot greycat ! |
| 17:50.35 | ipso | Anyone know why when trying to upgrade my PostgreSQL installation with apt-get, it claims I have the newest version, but when I do apt-cache show postgresql-8.0 it shows that I don't? |
| 17:50.52 | shingouz | ah. excemption |
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| 17:51.52 | roote | anyone knows why prozilla is only available on stable? i'm using unstable, how do i get that package? |
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| 17:53.01 | roote | i have 2 PCs with unstable: one was installed a long time ago and has prozilla. The other one was installed 3 weeks ago and doesn't have it. |
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| 17:53.25 | roote | any ideas? |
| 17:53.44 | CrAzYWolF | im so hungry |
| 17:53.52 | greycat | !+info prozilla sarge |
| 17:53.54 | dpkg | Package 'prozilla' does not exist. |
| 17:53.55 | dvs | then eat! |
| 17:53.56 | CrAzYWolF | let me see if i grab a juice meat |
| 17:53.57 | greycat | !stop prozilla |
| 17:53.57 | dpkg | from memory, stop prozilla is http://dominia.org/djao/limitipconn.html -- an apache module to limit concurrent connections from a single IP address, or apt-get install libapache-mod-limitipconn |
| 17:54.13 | greycat | !+info prozilla sid |
| 17:54.15 | dpkg | Package 'prozilla' does not exist. |
| 17:54.18 | greycat | YAY! |
| 17:54.20 | greycat | No more evil! |
| 17:54.32 | IDC | greycat, i have fixed the problem,thanks |
| 17:54.36 | greycat | I can't tell you specifically why it was removed... I can only rejoice. |
| 17:54.40 | IDC | night,all,good day |
| 17:54.42 | dvs | hahah |
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| 17:55.08 | dvs | Go Knights! |
| 17:55.11 | roote | greycat: lol |
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| 17:55.31 | K_Dallas | how can i use apt-get to update only security patches? thx |
| 17:55.38 | epsilon5 | I've been looking for a current hardware support list for some time. The only place I have found relative information is the LDP (Linux Documentation Project) and that is not current. Does anyone have information on where I can find this data.. |
| 17:55.39 | roote | greycat: how can i find out why it was removed? |
| 17:55.55 | greycat | roote: I'd suggest searching the -devel mailing list archive... |
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| 17:55.58 | roote | greycat: should i mail the stable version package maintainer? |
| 17:56.04 | dvs | epsilon5: Google is your best bet. |
| 17:56.07 | greycat | roote: that might not hurt either. |
| 17:56.12 | roote | greycat: hmmm, ok. thanks! |
| 17:56.28 | K_Dallas | epsilon5, you could always contact the hd people directly |
| 17:56.42 | shingouz | epsilon5: you looking for some specific hardware? |
| 17:56.53 | lavamind | hello, im setting up a debian server (ftp/samba/ldap) which should require as less maintenance as possible. My question is would having the machine reboot periodically, ie once a week, make it a little more reliable ? |
| 17:57.04 | Ampheus | does someone have experience with the s-ata raid controller at ASUS K8V-X under debian ? |
| 17:57.05 | dvs | lavamind: no |
| 17:57.50 | epsilon5 | shingouz: I'm developing software that will be distributed with Debian and I need to know what hardware is supported when I go live |
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| 17:58.12 | shingouz | epsilon5: ok, that is a bit trickier then |
| 17:58.16 | jethro | lavamind: no |
| 17:58.20 | lavamind | dvs : ok, but im finding that after a week or two, users are having problems logging in, and when i reboot all is back to normal |
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| 17:58.24 | r0dent | hi |
| 17:58.27 | dvs | epsilon5: You should check the hardware list BEFORE buying it |
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| 17:58.45 | r0dent | does the latest kernel image in unstable make other people's LVM'd root partition unbootable too? |
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| 17:58.51 | jethro | lavamind: find out why they have problems, reboot is not a fix |
| 17:58.58 | K_Dallas | epsilon5, you are selling Debian+ your software or just your software? |
| 17:59.06 | EdibleTe1t | lavamind, what happens. ldap flaking out ? |
| 17:59.22 | tarzeau | anyone playin' http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? join #bub-n-bros for coordination of server |
| 17:59.24 | epsilon5 | shingouz: I want to use Knoppix possibly, but I can't find the information I need on that either. I thought since it's Debian based the HCL would be the same |
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| 17:59.34 | lavamind | EdibleTelt: i think but i havent narrowed it down yet |
| 17:59.45 | jethro | tarzeau: gonna try it now |
| 17:59.49 | shingouz | epsilon5: not really, knoppix is another animal |
| 17:59.59 | tarzeau | jethro: great join so i can setup a fast (100mbit) server ;) |
| 18:00.03 | epsilon5 | shingouz: I'm not selling Debian or the software. It will a leasing/rent model. |
| 18:00.23 | lavamind | jethro: ok but are necessary maintenance tasks already set up with debian ok should i add a few (ie fsck) |
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| 18:00.53 | shingouz | epsilon5: if you are planning on distributing it with knoppix you might be better off asking the knoppix devels |
| 18:01.14 | jethro | tarzeau: do I have to install it manually? I don't find any package |
| 18:01.20 | Ampheus | does someone have experience with the s-ata raid controller at ASUS K8V-X under debian ? i need to know how to use my two hdd's on Raid 0 |
| 18:01.33 | tarzeau | jethro: no just unpack |
| 18:01.44 | jethro | lavamind: fsck is done when you reboot, and you usually reboot for kernel upgrades or hardware replacement |
| 18:01.46 | tarzeau | jethro: apt-get install python2.3-dev (or 2.2) then make, ./BubBros.py |
| 18:01.48 | jethro | tarzeau: aight |
| 18:01.58 | tarzeau | jethro: set your name, scroll down, internet servers |
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| 18:02.01 | jethro | tarzeau: I have that already, just a matter of seconds I guess |
| 18:02.04 | epsilon5 | shingouz: I'll check that out. I thought Knoppix and Debian were very much the same except the Knoppix hardware detection was different. |
| 18:02.13 | EdibleText | !say EdibleText, hello |
| 18:02.14 | dpkg | EdibleText, hello |
| 18:02.15 | tarzeau | jethro: join the gnu.ethz.ch server |
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| 18:02.19 | jethro | aight |
| 18:02.30 | shingouz | epsilon5: not really, knoppix has all kinds of different things in it afaik |
| 18:02.39 | dvs | epsilon5: They have different version of packages as well as a different installer |
| 18:02.39 | lavamind | jethro: right, but i just fixed a box thats been running for a month, the filesystem was full of errors, had to reboot/run fsck |
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| 18:02.59 | jethro | lavamind: what is the filesystem? |
| 18:03.05 | xarti | hi all |
| 18:03.06 | epsilon5 | Hmm? I did not know this |
| 18:03.13 | lavamind | jethro: / partition |
| 18:03.22 | xarti | is there anybody who speaks polish?? |
| 18:03.36 | shingouz | !pl |
| 18:03.36 | jethro | lavamind: what kind of filesystem I mean. I know what a filesystem is |
| 18:03.36 | dpkg | somebody said pl was sometimes referred to as "packet loss" |
| 18:03.43 | shingouz | hmm |
| 18:03.44 | jethro | hah |
| 18:03.45 | lavamind | jethro: ext3 |
| 18:03.57 | epsilon5 | dvs: Thanks for the info. Would you say Knoppix is like Ubuntu with its packages? |
| 18:04.20 | dvs | epsilon5: I have no clue what Ubuntu is all about. |
| 18:04.24 | shingouz | xarti: i am not sure, polish is not one of my stronger languages. i listen to it fluently but i do not understand it at all |
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| 18:04.43 | greycat | dvs: it's about smiling and hand-waving |
| 18:04.50 | scarynetworkguy | Nope, all former speakers of Polish have been hunted down and killed. Sorry. |
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| 18:05.02 | FieldySnuts | !start a language war |
| 18:05.03 | dpkg | Java is cleaner than Lua |
| 18:05.11 | dvs | huh? |
| 18:05.22 | jethro | so does my hp48gx |
| 18:05.26 | greycat | !ubuntu |
| 18:05.26 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story" |
| 18:05.26 | shingouz | xarti: do not message me |
| 18:05.26 | FieldySnuts | it's about annoying channels with off-topic convos |
| 18:05.32 | greycat | dvs: see their web page. |
| 18:05.37 | FieldySnuts | shingouz: grr i got it too |
| 18:05.47 | shingouz | xarti: do not message me! |
| 18:06.09 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: it was nto her fault. i think |
| 18:06.33 | lavamind | jethro: would running fsck periodically help maintain ext3 ?? |
| 18:06.38 | FieldySnuts | i know, it's just fun |
| 18:06.41 | shingouz | xarti: stop messaging me |
| 18:06.48 | FieldySnuts | ignore.. i had to |
| 18:06.48 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no bub-n-bros for ya? ya wife? |
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| 18:07.05 | epsilon5 | dpkg: I was wondering this. It seems that Ubuntu is trying to steer people away from Debian with dalse claims. Just an opinion with little to go on. |
| 18:07.05 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, epsilon5 |
| 18:07.13 | FieldySnuts | yeah right |
| 18:07.18 | greycat | don't you have to be innocent for that? |
| 18:07.23 | paulswm | Heh |
| 18:07.25 | FieldySnuts | exactly |
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| 18:08.27 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: dont think the wife will play anymore |
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| 18:08.38 | jethro | lavamind: no |
| 18:08.41 | epsilon5 | Thanks ya'll |
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| 18:08.59 | lexxan | How can I change my resolution via command line to 640x480 in X.. so I can play a game properly? |
| 18:09.00 | shingouz | epsilon5: what kind of stuff you developing? |
| 18:09.17 | jethro | lavamind: my boxes usually run for ~180-200 days max and I have no such filesystem problems |
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| 18:09.18 | valdyn | lexxan: ctrl-alt-+ |
| 18:09.21 | jharrisonwk | EdibleText: dpkg is a bot? |
| 18:09.28 | shingouz | jharrisonwk: yes |
| 18:09.36 | valdyn | lexxan: or if that does not exactly do what you want, try xrandr |
| 18:09.36 | jethro | tarzeau: do I have to play with the java applet or is there any other way? |
| 18:09.36 | shingouz | dpkg: what are you |
| 18:09.37 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 18:09.43 | lexxan | ah |
| 18:09.45 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 18:09.45 | dpkg | paulswm: thanks |
| 18:09.45 | lexxan | that worked |
| 18:09.46 | lexxan | thx |
| 18:09.47 | jharrisonwk | so thats why he is always saying crazy things |
| 18:09.49 | EdibleText | jharrisonwk, but dpkg is already something else.. |
| 18:09.54 | tarzeau | jethro: yes gtk/pythong/x11 |
| 18:10.00 | Aradorn | clearly he is lying to us |
| 18:10.07 | Aradorn | he is from the future |
| 18:10.08 | jharrisonwk | EdibleText: what do you mean? |
| 18:10.17 | jethro | tarzeau: I ll look into that first, getting clientonly was apparently not enough, or I need to read more :) |
| 18:10.23 | EdibleText | jharrisonwk, I think you lost me on that one. |
| 18:10.24 | epsilon5 | shingouz: I'm working on a POS for my wife's business |
| 18:10.34 | shingouz | epsilon5: cool |
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| 18:10.36 | lavamind | jethro: on my other boxes either, but that particular one does and coincidentally is the only p-200 machine i have, the others are more recent, might be the fujitsu HD as well... |
| 18:10.46 | jharrisonwk | 14:10 < EdibleText> jharrisonwk, but dpkg is already something else.. |
| 18:10.53 | tarzeau | jethro: no it's enough |
| 18:11.01 | jethro | lavamind: that's what I was about to suggest, hardware issues |
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| 18:11.08 | EdibleText | jharrisonwk, i have failed my anti-turing test... |
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| 18:11.23 | jharrisonwk | EdibleText: what? |
| 18:11.32 | EdibleText | jharrisonwk, my bot emulation-foo is weak |
| 18:11.37 | epsilon5 | shingouz: It's fun so far. I still have a long way to go. I have been working the idea for about 4 months now. All part time work though. |
| 18:11.44 | toresbe | EdibleText: in that context it's spelled "fu" |
| 18:11.47 | jethro | tarzeau: can I /msg you and get that off #debian ? |
| 18:11.49 | JediMaster | what's the best way to copy 9gig of files (small and large) From a debian box to a windows machine? (have a directory on the winblows machine smb mounted on the machine) |
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| 18:11.57 | shingouz | epsilon5: apt-get install caffeine helps a bit ;) |
| 18:11.59 | EdibleText | toresbe, QED ;) |
| 18:12.01 | jharrisonwk | EdibleText: so you are saying that you are dont telling me about bots then? |
| 18:12.03 | jethro | wait I ll just join the chan you mentionned earlier |
| 18:12.13 | tarzeau | jethro: #bub-n-bros |
| 18:12.16 | valdyn | JediMaster: you dont need the "best" way, smb is probably ok for your purpose |
| 18:12.20 | epsilon5 | shingouz: Yes indeed!!! |
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| 18:12.31 | JediMaster | valdyn: ok, but how would you suggest copying them over? |
| 18:12.34 | FieldySnuts | smb isn't best for much... |
| 18:12.42 | mate | Hi! Is linux-kernel-headers needed for kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 ? |
| 18:12.49 | epsilon5 | epsilon5: Me like Debian ver much. |
| 18:12.50 | EdibleText | jharrisonwk, no. I am not a bot. dpkg is a bot. |
| 18:12.52 | valdyn | JediMaster: cp -R |
| 18:12.53 | JediMaster | valdyn rsync? I've tried but it fails after a few minutes and when I restart it, it restarts from the begning again unlike when you sync over ssh etc. |
| 18:12.56 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: rube goldberg install? |
| 18:12.56 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 18:12.59 | jharrisonwk | EdibleText: yes I know |
| 18:13.09 | epsilon5 | shingouz: Me like Debian ver much. |
| 18:13.15 | jharrisonwk | dpkg: a/s/l |
| 18:13.15 | dpkg | I'm a bot, fucker. |
| 18:13.16 | JediMaster | valdyn: already tried that, get IO errors every now and then and it doesn't copy those files, carries on to the next |
| 18:13.19 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 18:13.20 | valdyn | JediMaster: no point to bothering w/ rsync if all you want is copy files |
| 18:13.21 | FieldySnuts | jharrisonwk: haha |
| 18:13.21 | jharrisonwk | I love that |
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| 18:13.26 | gilead | hello |
| 18:13.30 | FieldySnuts | yes. hello. |
| 18:13.31 | dvs | dpkg: shut up |
| 18:13.31 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 18:13.38 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: fuck dvs |
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| 18:13.44 | FieldySnuts | greycat: heh. |
| 18:13.47 | JediMaster | valdyn: yes, but the IO problems means they're not all copied |
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| 18:14.11 | FieldySnuts | rsync over samba takes a special option, --window=1 or something, let me find it |
| 18:14.17 | dvs | are you sure dpkg is a bot? |
| 18:14.17 | valdyn | JediMaster: right, thats neither rsync nor cp being at fault, so none of both will work in all likelyness |
| 18:14.21 | JediMaster | oh, thanks, not seen that one |
| 18:14.27 | valdyn | JediMaster: disk full? permissions issues? i dont know.. |
| 18:14.32 | JediMaster | no and no |
| 18:14.36 | JediMaster | 36 gig free |
| 18:14.40 | JediMaster | full write access |
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| 18:14.49 | valdyn | JediMaster: file to big for windows? |
| 18:14.50 | JediMaster | it's copied 1.5 gig over already |
| 18:14.56 | FieldySnuts | --modify-window=1 pass that to rsync if you are copying over smb |
| 18:15.00 | JediMaster | hmm, no I donm't htink so, let me check |
| 18:15.03 | FieldySnuts | or you will see really funky problems |
| 18:15.07 | JediMaster | thanks FieldySnuts |
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| 18:15.31 | JediMaster | FieldySnuts: hence the whole restarting thing? |
| 18:15.40 | mate | Hey... is linux-kernel-headers needed if I install kernel-headers-2-6-8-2-686 ? |
| 18:15.45 | jharrisonwk | EdibleText: somehow I knew already that dpkg was a bot by the way |
| 18:15.45 | FieldySnuts | i dunno i just know rsync acts lame without it when working over smb |
| 18:15.47 | valdyn | FieldySnuts: never knew that or had any problems, is that specific to some windows version(s) ? |
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| 18:16.11 | FieldySnuts | the problems caused by not using it are sometimes tough to spot... files copying over but not exactly etc |
| 18:16.22 | FieldySnuts | or other times outright failing with no error at all in the middle |
| 18:16.39 | FieldySnuts | googling on it probably explains it better |
| 18:16.55 | valdyn | FieldySnuts: cifs yields the same error(s) ? |
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| 18:17.29 | EdibleText | jharrisonwk, thats why i tried to emulate dpkg stock responses. I figured you *had* to have known, if only on a sub conscience level. ;) |
| 18:17.37 | gilead | "/dev/ide/host0/...: p1 \n Kernel can not convert a name into device number.\nCheck your 'root=' argument passed on by bootloader.\ninitrd-tools:...\n/sbin/init: 360: cannot open bin/root:..." -- that's what I get while booting after upgrading from 2.6.11-1-k7_2.6.11-3 to -5. What can I do about it? I tried reinstalling kernel. 2.6.10 works fine. |
| 18:17.38 | volve | hey all, the NTFS module that comes with Sarge seems to default to read-rwite mode of any NTFS partitions - is it safe to use read-write? :-/ Essentially I want to delete files but have been hesitant to test in case the partition goes kablamo... |
| 18:17.58 | dvs | volve: No, it's not safe |
| 18:18.07 | jharrisonwk | EdibleText: I was giving you a hard time |
| 18:18.10 | jharrisonwk | EdibleText: :) |
| 18:18.15 | valdyn | JediMaster: maybe you want to use cifs to mount your windows fs, its been better for me. |
| 18:18.19 | JediMaster | thanks FieldySnuts, valdyn |
| 18:18.29 | JediMaster | cifs? |
| 18:18.41 | valdyn | !cifs |
| 18:18.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, cifs is Common Internet File System or see SMB, or it is basically SMB without NBT |
| 18:18.52 | JediMaster | ah |
| 18:19.23 | JediMaster | still getting the IO errors, but it's resuming from where it left off |
| 18:19.28 | Gozar | Hi. I want to find all ppm pictures and convert them to jpeg pictures. The following command finds all ppm pictures but give them the same name. how can I give them different names? command: find ./ -name '*.ppm' -exec ppmtojpeg {} > {}.jpeg \; |
| 18:19.34 | volve | dvs: awesome, thanks :-/ |
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| 18:19.48 | dvs | volve: That's not awesome, it's dangerous |
| 18:20.08 | gilead | Gozar: for i in *ppm; do convert $i JPG:$i.jpg; done |
| 18:20.11 | cahoot | Gozar: use mogrify |
| 18:20.22 | gilead | Gozar: you can put sed in there to properly convert names |
| 18:21.13 | useruser | Gozar: find ... | while read file; do ppmtojpeg $file > $file.jpeg; done |
| 18:21.26 | gilead | anyone can help me with kernel booting problem? Is it something wrong with my system? |
| 18:21.51 | greycat | most "kernel booting problems" are because the user tried to build his/her own kernel. |
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| 18:22.12 | valdyn | gilead: vagueness causes cancer |
| 18:22.13 | volve | dvs: so why is it read-write by default? :-/ |
| 18:22.29 | gilead | greycat: I did regular update, as everyday |
| 18:22.35 | Gozar | gilead: That worked thanks. |
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| 18:22.47 | gilead | valdyn: please scroll up, it was long paragraph |
| 18:23.26 | greycat | gilead: Gozar for i in *.ppm; do convert "$i" "${i%.ppm}.jpg"; done |
| 18:23.40 | cheal | gilead: what initrd-tools do you have? |
| 18:24.11 | gilead | cheal: 0.1.80 |
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| 18:24.35 | cahoot | Gozar: mogrify -format jpg *.ppm |
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| 18:25.03 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: How in the buttload do you download multiple files again with wget? |
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| 18:25.27 | useruser | TwistedEmotions: wget url1 url2 ... |
| 18:25.29 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know if I have all access with wget how to download a whole directory? |
| 18:25.30 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 18:25.31 | saabin | Hello $myvar hold the some "/tmp/file" location. How to check if it is empty? |
| 18:25.39 | greycat | if [[ $myvar ]] |
| 18:25.41 | useruser | TwistedEmotions: wget -r -np |
| 18:25.49 | saabin | if [ -z "$myvar" ] ; then |
| 18:25.53 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.55 | greycat | or did you mean to check whether the *file* is empty...? |
| 18:26.01 | saabin | greycat: in sh ? |
| 18:26.03 | valdyn | gilead: your description makes it sound like thats a bug with that specific kernel-image or its source code, i would downgrade and/or check the bts. |
| 18:26.09 | Subvertir | http://pastebin.com/288545 anyone see any problems with this bit of code? |
| 18:26.11 | useruser | TwistedEmotions: yes, with the protocol (http, whatever) in the url |
| 18:26.12 | greycat | saabin: I assume bash unless stated otherwise. |
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| 18:26.18 | saabin | greycat: no if the entry is blank |
| 18:26.19 | TwistedEmotions | useruser: thanks. |
| 18:26.19 | Subvertir | it's throwing exceptions and making me very very angry |
| 18:26.30 | valdyn | gilead: you can get -3 at snapshot.debian.net |
| 18:26.31 | CrAzYWolF | shit is got to eat |
| 18:26.33 | CrAzYWolF | >:) |
| 18:26.36 | CrAzYWolF | >XD |
| 18:26.39 | greycat | saabin: besides, why are you asking us for the answer if you already have the answer? |
| 18:26.53 | gilead | valdyn: k, thanks, I didn't want to make fuss without good reason, will go to bts |
| 18:27.02 | saabin | greycat: it does not work so far |
| 18:27.06 | cheal | gilead: why are you using an old sid version? |
| 18:27.09 | saabin | the one I have |
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| 18:27.16 | greycat | saabin: /j #bash |
| 18:27.20 | gilead | cheal: old? I upgraded yesterday |
| 18:27.50 | valdyn | !info initrd-tools sid |
| 18:27.50 | cheal | gilead: well, why ddid you get the sid version at this time? |
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| 18:27.53 | dpkg | initrd-tools: (tools to create initrd image for prepackaged Linux kernel), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.1.80 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 18:27.59 | matthias1 | hi |
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| 18:28.22 | gilead | cheal: err... I'm not sure about versions, I have unstable in sources.list |
| 18:28.52 | cheal | gilead: you need to set APT's Default-Release, otherwise you'll get more and more sid packages |
| 18:28.54 | TwistedEmotions | useruser: It works... Im a genius..! I mean thanks ;) |
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| 18:29.26 | valdyn | gilead: you are using sid/unstable unintentionally? |
| 18:29.59 | gilead | valdyn: yes, and it's first serious problem since I started using debian :-) (means a couple of years ;-) ) |
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| 18:30.24 | valdyn | gilead: so you've been using unstable unitentionally for a couple years? uh! |
| 18:30.29 | gilead | valdyn: I mean, I use it intentionally |
| 18:30.29 | K_Dallas | FYI: XOveroffice+Winrar+Sarge == haaaaaaalaljua :) |
| 18:30.34 | monitor | anyone know how to get cdrecord to work on debian kernel 2.6.10 kernel image |
| 18:30.34 | cheal | gilead: when did you get the unstable sources? |
| 18:30.35 | valdyn | gilead: ok |
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| 18:30.56 | gilead | cheal: sources? |
| 18:31.29 | cheal | gilead: you said "I have unstable in sources.list" |
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| 18:31.37 | gilead | monitor: did you upgrade recently from 2.4? |
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| 18:31.51 | gilead | cheal: ah, I switched from stable right after install, long time ago |
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| 18:32.19 | cheal | gilead: from stable to unstable? |
| 18:32.29 | valdyn | monitor: whats your cd writers device file and what interface is it physically ( atapi or scsi? ) |
| 18:32.45 | gilead | cheal: yep, I don't remember if there was testing as an intermediate step or not |
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| 18:33.19 | gilead | cheal: I suppose maybe I did something wrong when upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6 and it only now surfaced? |
| 18:33.21 | cheal | gilead: hum... maybe you're using debian since longer than I imagined. |
| 18:33.36 | gilead | cheal: should I have /dev/ide subdirectory? I think yes, but it's not there |
| 18:33.38 | useruser | TwistedEmotions: np |
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| 18:33.43 | homekneet | lvm question - everything is up and running/mounted/working OK except pvmove which gives: "mirror: Required device-mapper target(s) not detected in your kernel". I want to shift content off a partition so I can remove it from the volgrp |
| 18:33.48 | gilead | cheal: from 1999 iirc |
| 18:33.52 | cheal | gilead: no, you appear to have a initrd-tools 0.1.80 bug |
| 18:33.59 | monitor | I have an atapi cdrom |
| 18:34.11 | cheal | gilead: ok...package pools were indeed not introduced at that time IIRC |
| 18:34.15 | monitor | cant get it to work on linux kernel 2.6.10 |
| 18:34.18 | valdyn | monitor: and whats the device file? |
| 18:34.29 | gilead | monitor: ask my question please |
| 18:34.31 | valdyn | monitor: what *exactly* doesn't work? |
| 18:34.35 | gilead | monitor: answer, that is |
| 18:34.35 | monitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.39 | cheal | gilead: anyway, just upgrade to 0.1.81 to fix your problem |
| 18:34.49 | cheal | gilead: maybe you'll have to reinstall your kernel too |
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| 18:34.54 | gilead | cheal: ok, I'll look where I can find it |
| 18:34.58 | valdyn | monitor: cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdd file.iso |
| 18:35.02 | monitor | I run scanbus and get a No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
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| 18:35.10 | monitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.11 | monitor | cdrecord: package and read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup . |
| 18:35.20 | gilead | cheal: thanks, I'll go looking |
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| 18:35.25 | lexxan | Can anyone tell me what I put after exec in ~/.xinitrc for xfce4 ? exec xfce4 and exec xfce didn't work =[ |
| 18:35.27 | valdyn | monitor: ignore that shite, try what i said |
| 18:35.30 | monitor | then I set it up to recognize the scsi at boot time |
| 18:35.51 | gilead | monitor: do you have any special configuration for your cd recorder eg. left from 2.4? |
| 18:36.13 | |V\oNK | hello everyone |
| 18:36.22 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know what other program I can user for checking messages that is consul based and easy to use... mail doesnt have a mass delete function... and I get like 100 messages. |
| 18:36.32 | valdyn | TwistedEmotions: mutt |
| 18:36.34 | monitor | its a new install , dont have an older version |
| 18:36.37 | TwistedEmotions | thanks |
| 18:36.45 | gilead | monitor: if so, delete it all, 2.4 required stuff for recording to work, but it breaks things in 2.6, it should work w/o any special configs |
| 18:36.54 | K_Dallas | TwistedEmotions, pine |
| 18:36.57 | shingouz | lexxan: exec xfwm |
| 18:37.04 | useruser | lexxan: here's what I run: /opt/bin/xfce-mcs-manager /opt/bin/xfwm4 --daemon /opt/bin/xftaskbar4 & /opt/bin/xfdesktop & mail-notification & exec /opt/bin/xfce4-panel |
| 18:37.05 | deadcat | K_Dallas: pine is non-free |
| 18:37.09 | valdyn | monitor: did you try what i said? |
| 18:37.10 | K_Dallas | really? |
| 18:37.22 | K_Dallas | deadcat, it from washington university! |
| 18:37.27 | deadcat | K_Dallas: ya |
| 18:37.36 | K_Dallas | and still nonfree! didnt know that |
| 18:37.42 | deadcat | K_Dallas: ya. those bitches |
| 18:37.47 | K_Dallas | ;) amen |
| 18:37.52 | lexxan | useruser, That's the standard way? heh |
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| 18:38.02 | deadcat | K_Dallas: but who cares. mutt owns their asses anyway |
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| 18:38.16 | K_Dallas | i have to try mutt, never seen it in action either |
| 18:38.17 | useruser | lexxan: no idea :) you need some newlines in the obvious places, of course |
| 18:38.20 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: did you get the mesg? |
| 18:38.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: What message? |
| 18:38.33 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: on the server. |
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| 18:38.36 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.38 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 18:38.44 | shingouz | lexxan: try exec xfwm |
| 18:38.48 | TwistedEmotions | installing mutt now. |
| 18:38.49 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: the README file |
| 18:39.04 | lexxan | I did |
| 18:39.08 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: was empty last time I checked |
| 18:39.10 | lexxan | it loaded X.. but nothing else |
| 18:39.23 | K_Dallas | TwistedEmotions, your alias is too long, it messesup my xchat window :) |
| 18:39.31 | |V\oNK | ive got a question, i can connect to mt linux box via x11vnc but if i log off i cant log back on, x11vnc sais -- Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server/Xlib: No protocol specified / XOpenDisplay failed (:0), i tryed startx but i get an error w/ that too for dri. so ATM the only time it works is when i boot untill i log offanyone know how to fix this, or a vnc server thats doesnt forward the gui already running on the remote |
| 18:39.31 | |V\oNK | host? (more like MS Term Server) |
| 18:39.33 | useruser | lexxan: start xftaskbar4 and xfdesktop too |
| 18:39.37 | shingouz | lexxan: didnt you say you tried xfce4 instead of xfwm |
| 18:39.52 | lexxan | i tried all of them now heh |
| 18:40.00 | linux_dude | quit |
| 18:40.01 | TwistedEmotions | K_Dallas: You mean TwistedEmotions ? |
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| 18:40.19 | lexxan | sec making my ~/.xinitrc |
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| 18:40.21 | K_Dallas | yes :) |
| 18:40.29 | lexxan | have to manually type :P |
| 18:40.44 | K_Dallas | i have xchat to show the time in seconds and your nick covers both min and sec ;) |
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| 18:40.54 | useruser | lexxan: or just run xterm in your .xinitrc and try them out manually to see what works |
| 18:40.56 | deadcat | K_Dallas: time for irssi maybe (= |
| 18:40.57 | shingouz | K_Dallas: just grab the separating bar and drag it a bit more to the right. my xchat does not mess it up |
| 18:40.57 | Aradorn | god i need to find a program that iwll let me control my CPU fan speed in linux |
| 18:41.04 | Aradorn | 56 dbs sucks =p |
| 18:41.13 | valdyn | Aradorn: cat does that |
| 18:41.17 | Aradorn | cat? |
| 18:41.17 | lexxan | useruser, I'll just run it all.. |
| 18:41.18 | lexxan | heh |
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| 18:41.24 | BucWheat | deadcat how did the essays turn out? |
| 18:41.25 | deadcat | echo you mean |
| 18:41.28 | K_Dallas | i know guys ;) and i was merely joking |
| 18:41.33 | BucWheat | deadcat i'm still trying to get bootsplash working :( |
| 18:41.35 | valdyn | Aradorn: ops, i meant echo |
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| 18:41.41 | mick_home | hi everyone |
| 18:41.43 | deadcat | BucWheat: i just woke up. (= i still have to prepare them for tonight. heheh. boy i am fucked. |
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| 18:41.55 | K_Dallas | deadcat, what is irssi? another irc client? |
| 18:41.57 | mick_home | i hope that it is ok to ask an OT question (regarding Open Office) |
| 18:42.00 | Aradorn | ... |
| 18:42.05 | mick_home | ok, why does =SUM(1,23+7,5%) equal 1,31 ? |
| 18:42.10 | deadcat | it all #debian's fault. i should be preparing for finals (= |
| 18:42.11 | mick_home | it should bw 1,32225 |
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| 18:42.18 | lexxan | holy shit i wanted the small xfce.. i got this new one =\ |
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| 18:42.34 | BucWheat | deadcat don't you just love doing papers at the last minute? |
| 18:42.36 | deadcat | K_Dallas: ya |
| 18:42.36 | |V\oNK | can anyone help me? |
| 18:42.46 | valdyn | Aradorn: your fan speed control is mostly a kernel level issue to get working, the "control" is done by echo <value> > /proc/acpi/fan/<whatever> |
| 18:42.48 | FieldySnuts | xfce4 is larger but still quite fast |
| 18:42.48 | shingouz | lexxan: xfce instead of xfce4 |
| 18:42.49 | Nielsen | mick_home: rounded perhaps? |
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| 18:42.51 | deadcat | BucWheat: ya.. i always do that for my english class too. 4am |
| 18:42.58 | cheal | mick_home: try asking #openoffice.org |
| 18:43.00 | lexxan | ya |
| 18:43.01 | deadcat | BucWheat: hows the splash? |
| 18:43.02 | K_Dallas | deadcat, i will try it later, right now i am curious to see how mutt looks like but thanks a lot for the suggestion |
| 18:43.07 | lexxan | xfce4 is bloated too i see heh |
| 18:43.14 | deadcat | K_Dallas: hehe. |
| 18:43.16 | mick_home | 1,32225 doesn't round to 1,31 |
| 18:43.28 | mick_home | cheal: i did |
| 18:43.29 | useruser | lexxan: there's a nice old version in woody still, of course :) |
| 18:43.32 | shingouz | |V\oNK: not with that nick, that is a total pain in the ass to type |
| 18:43.39 | K_Dallas | lol |
| 18:43.47 | shingouz | K_Dallas: just try it |
| 18:43.48 | K_Dallas | it is Monk, right? |
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| 18:43.59 | valdyn | Aradorn: either way its probably better to let your mainboard logic do it, instead of manually fucking up things and burning your cu |
| 18:44.00 | K_Dallas | shingouz, you mean mutt? |
| 18:44.05 | |V\oNK | |V + tab +D |
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| 18:44.11 | shingouz | K_Dallas: nope. typing that nick |
| 18:44.12 | Aradorn | valdyn, ah ok =) |
| 18:44.15 | valdyn | s/cu/cpu/ |
| 18:44.19 | shingouz | |V\oNK: ffs... |
| 18:44.21 | mick_home | ah someone answered |
| 18:44.22 | K_Dallas | i do not, i type | and tab ;) |
| 18:44.25 | lexxan | it seems to run pretty quick tho |
| 18:44.27 | lexxan | better than gnome |
| 18:44.29 | lexxan | heh |
| 18:44.31 | Aradorn | valdyn, heh my mobo cant control it... its either on or off |
| 18:44.41 | valdyn | Aradorn: i see |
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| 18:44.44 | Aradorn | the mobo comes with windows software that can control it once i boot up |
| 18:44.51 | Aradorn | which is usually what i do |
| 18:44.51 | valdyn | Aradorn: get a better fan/heatsink |
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| 18:45.11 | TwistedEmotions | stuck in a fucing mutt screen... how do I get out.. ? ---INSERT--- is at the bottom... ctrl ^X ^C ^. nothing works... |
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| 18:45.14 | Aradorn | vantec tornado 90mm with Thermalright 948slk-u heatsink |
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| 18:45.15 | Aradorn | =) |
| 18:45.23 | Aradorn | comp runs below 40C all the time |
| 18:45.28 | |V\oNK | so does mine |
| 18:45.35 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: its set to vim (=... press escape then :q! |
| 18:45.35 | |V\oNK | but mines quiet |
| 18:45.38 | |V\oNK | +D |
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| 18:45.44 | Nunez | When I do "mount" "ls" I get a "Segmentation Fault", "umount" works fine and many other commands, This happened to me all of a sudden last night and I rebooted this morning and its the same way. I have had this happen to me before so I had chattr +i /bin,/sbin,/usr/bin/,/usr/sbin, although I dont know if it has anything to do with that |
| 18:45.48 | valdyn | Aradorn: if you can control this from linux depends on your mainboard specifically, i dont know it, so i cant tell if its supported |
| 18:45.55 | furrywolf | Temp.= 38.5, 36.3, 22.5; Rot.= 4720, 4821, 0 |
| 18:46.00 | mick_home | 7,5% = 0,075 |
| 18:46.05 | mick_home | that was the prob |
| 18:46.10 | mick_home | anyhow, later |
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| 18:46.19 | furrywolf | mine tends to stay below 40, but it's actually up 5C on what it used to be... probably getting time to clean the fansinks. |
| 18:46.25 | Aradorn | its not a big problem was just thinking aloud really, just gets annoying sometimes =p |
| 18:46.43 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: thanks. that shit is scary |
| 18:46.51 | Maciek | hello.wher eis a polish chat about Knoppix? |
| 18:47.01 | gilead | cheal: you mentioned initrd-tools 0.1.81, but unstable has 0.1.80 and experimental has none, is there any debian archive with it? |
| 18:47.03 | BucWheat | deadcat splash sucks man i finally got kernel patched properly and i'm getting ready to boot into new kernel now |
| 18:47.04 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: haha. set it to nano in /etc/Muttrc |
| 18:47.16 | |V\oNK | ive got a question, i can connect to mt linux box via x11vnc but if i log off i cant log back on, x11vnc sais -- Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server/Xlib: No protocol specified / XOpenDisplay failed (:0), i tryed startx but i get an error w/ that too for dri. so ATM the only time it works is when i boot untill i log offanyone know how to fix this, or a vnc server thats doesnt forward the gui already running on the remote |
| 18:47.16 | |V\oNK | host? (more like MS Term Server) |
| 18:47.22 | deadcat | BucWheat: you just need a ok looking image i guess. |
| 18:47.38 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: all good... |
| 18:47.46 | quiet | hey, I'm having a hard time getting X to start because of mouse problems. (Synaptics touchpad) I have installed the xfree86-driver-synaptics package but whether I do the default settings, or the full setting that I know to work usually, I get errors like: "xf86OpenSerial: Cannot opn device /dev/mouse" (same thing with /dev/psaux) |
| 18:47.53 | cheal | gilead: I see, it's in incoming.d.o |
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| 18:48.02 | Leo42 | hi |
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| 18:48.02 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you know why I can move curcor to very right? It goes one till and sits there.. |
| 18:48.17 | gilead | cheal: oh, thanks |
| 18:48.19 | furrywolf | aradorn: http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/694d2/p1010099.jpg <== my fansinks |
| 18:48.23 | valdyn | !synaptics |
| 18:48.23 | dpkg | i heard synaptics is http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download, or for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 18:48.23 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: in /etc/Muttrc put: set editor="nano" |
| 18:48.24 | BucWheat | deadcat well after running dpkg-reconfigure bootsplash i don't see an initrd so i select none to create one but it doesn't |
| 18:48.38 | Leo42 | I have a problem mounting my fp drive... |
| 18:48.45 | valdyn | quiet: what about /dev/input/mice ? |
| 18:48.53 | deadcat | BucWheat: create a file called /boot/initrd.splash then rerun it. and select that one. |
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| 18:48.57 | shingouz | Leo42: hints appreciated, do not make us guess |
| 18:49.04 | quiet | valdyn, as you can see, I have already installed that. Haven't tried /dev/input/mice.... will brb |
| 18:49.09 | deadcat | BucWheat: http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 18:49.36 | GinoPilotino | Hello, does exist a linux based system precompiled for firewall/gateway, sort of closebsd or smoothwall? Doesn't need to be installed on hd |
| 18:49.39 | Aradorn | how long does it take to apply a patch |
| 18:49.45 | Leo42 | got the error message: "can't open /dev/fd0: not such device or address" when typing "mount /dev/fd0 /floppy" |
| 18:49.45 | deadcat | BucWheat: of course i also do ln -s initrd.splash initrd.img-`uname -r` |
| 18:49.47 | Aradorn | this seems to be taking an extremely long time =p |
| 18:49.52 | quiet | valdyn, same thing... this is rather odd.. |
| 18:49.55 | furrywolf | (and, yes, the case fans are unplugged... I've found they don't do any good, and make way too much noise) |
| 18:49.56 | valdyn | !ipcop |
| 18:49.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ipcop is a RedHat based firewall disto, It is used to share an internet connection using old hardware. http://www.ipcop.org, or a fork of smoothwall by disillusioned developers, or ipcop is all Free Software, Smoothwall is not (there is a non-GPL commercial version). |
| 18:49.58 | shingouz | Aradorn: very short time usually |
| 18:50.00 | K_Dallas | Q: how to apply only security patches with apt-get? |
| 18:50.04 | useruser | Aradorn: hit control-d |
| 18:50.04 | BucWheat | deadcat k. |
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| 18:50.18 | quiet | it always says that error, No such file or directory |
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| 18:50.35 | shingouz | Leo42: man mount. basically you insert the floppy and "mount /floppy" |
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| 18:50.45 | quiet | It's a sarge install, from net-inst chooseing only "Desktop Environment" from package selections |
| 18:50.55 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: all good... I need to learn to use vi anyways |
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| 18:50.57 | valdyn | quiet: lsmod | grep psaux |
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| 18:50.59 | Aradorn | do i apply the patch to the source and then compile the kernel? |
| 18:51.05 | Crell | Greetings. I'm having a problem compiling the latest kernel sources (2.6.11.10). Every time I run make, I get a segfault while compiling slab.o. gcc is version 3.3. All of this is on Debian Sid. Any idea what the problem could be? |
| 18:51.07 | Leo42 | don't have floppy defined in fstab... |
| 18:51.10 | shingouz | Aradorn: yes |
| 18:51.14 | quiet | valdyn, none |
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| 18:51.26 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. theres few commands on my webpage |
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| 18:51.26 | Aradorn | k thats what im doing |
| 18:51.28 | Aradorn | just making sure =p |
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| 18:51.36 | shingouz | Leo42: you need to define it there. man fstab |
| 18:51.41 | cheal | gilead: you may want to start tracking testing by adapting the explanations in the quick sid/sarge mix factoid |
| 18:51.52 | valdyn | quiet: oh sorry, try the same but for the right module: "lsmod | grep psmouse" |
| 18:52.03 | useruser | Aradorn: how did you invoke patch? |
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| 18:52.12 | quiet | valdyn, none again |
| 18:52.18 | Aradorn | shingouz, im doing patch -p1 --dry-run blkdev_wakeup.patch ... |
| 18:52.33 | valdyn | quiet: ok, before we load it.. "dpkg -l | grep ^udev" |
| 18:52.34 | shingouz | Aradorn: man patch |
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| 18:52.39 | TwistedEmotions | To remove a whole directory with everything inside it was rm -rp right? |
| 18:52.48 | gilead | cheal: uh, can you tell it the dumb way, please? ;-) |
| 18:52.49 | useruser | TwistedEmotions: -rf |
| 18:52.50 | Crell | TwistedEmotions: rm -rf |
| 18:52.52 | Aradorn | k reading.. |
| 18:52.54 | TwistedEmotions | err |
| 18:52.56 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
| 18:52.56 | valdyn | quiet: ok, before we load it.. "dpkg -l | grep udev" |
| 18:52.57 | TwistedEmotions | thanks |
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| 18:53.02 | shingouz | Aradorn: you have missed something in that command... there should be a '<' in it somewhere |
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| 18:53.04 | valdyn | quiet: ^^^ ski the ^ |
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| 18:53.29 | Aradorn | k |
| 18:53.29 | quiet | valdyn, ii udev 0.056-2 /dev/management daemon |
| 18:53.43 | shingouz | Aradorn: i *did* mention you should man patch before you started haxx0ring on it, didn't i |
| 18:53.51 | valdyn | quiet: modprobe psmouse && modprobe mousedev |
| 18:53.53 | Aradorn | woot got it |
| 18:54.01 | Monk | how do i get the temp sensors to work ? |
| 18:54.02 | Aradorn | shingouz, patch -p1 --dry-run < blkdev_wakeup.patch ... |
| 18:54.04 | BucWheat | deadcat after creating initrd.splash and reruning bootsplash it gave me this: Building bootsplash initrd image... |
| 18:54.04 | BucWheat | Using the bootsplash-theme-newlinux bootsplash theme at 1024x768 resolution(s). |
| 18:54.09 | Aradorn | that applies the specified patch file |
| 18:54.11 | shingouz | Aradorn: looks more like it |
| 18:54.15 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hehe. sorry. i edited .bashrc but i commented those back though. |
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| 18:54.20 | cheal | !tell gilead about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 18:54.25 | Aradorn | k no errors |
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| 18:54.28 | Aradorn | so i applied the patch |
| 18:54.32 | Aradorn | now to compile the kernel |
| 18:54.32 | BucWheat | deadcat i have no /boot/grub/images/ were do i get them from? the .xpm.gz files that i see in the example menu.lst |
| 18:54.36 | quiet | valdyn, okay... it all works now... what happened?? |
| 18:54.40 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: wtf... only you and me downloading... how come speeds are so shitty? When it's uploading torrents its at 300k+? |
| 18:54.40 | gilead | cheal: thanks :-) |
| 18:54.48 | deadcat | BucWheat: online or you can use mine |
| 18:54.54 | cheal | gilead: open sources.list, duplicate your unstable lines and change one set to testing. then apt-get update |
| 18:54.57 | valdyn | quiet: we loaded the ps mouse driver |
| 18:55.00 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: dont trip... either way is fine |
| 18:55.03 | BucWheat | did you make your own? i would like to make my own after i get this working |
| 18:55.04 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. ya. 80k/sec only |
| 18:55.04 | shingouz | Aradorn: you just did a dry-run. did it apply correctly, no errors at all? |
| 18:55.08 | cheal | gilead: and then echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 18:55.11 | quiet | right, but will it do this on it's own from now on? |
| 18:55.22 | Aradorn | no errors, so i ran it without the --dry-run |
| 18:55.24 | Aradorn | and it worked |
| 18:55.29 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: check the .bashrc though. if you want to use some settings in there. just copy it outside of the if statement. |
| 18:55.29 | Aradorn | er well it didnt have any errors |
| 18:55.31 | BucWheat | deadcat let me try yours and then i'd like to make my own if its possible |
| 18:55.32 | valdyn | quiet: do this: "echo psmouse >> /etc/modules && echo mousedev >> /etc/modules" |
| 18:55.32 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: basterds. I will eat their hears. |
| 18:55.35 | Aradorn | not sure if this "patch" is going to do what i need it to |
| 18:55.46 | TwistedEmotions | *hearts |
| 18:55.50 | Aradorn | hopefuly it will allow me to boot linux off my usb HDD now =) |
| 18:55.51 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. |
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| 18:56.16 | quiet | valdyn, done... |
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| 18:56.19 | deadcat | BucWheat: ya. i used to have alot in that dir, set a script to randomized it but now only 1 i need. |
| 18:56.21 | cheal | gilead: if you take care, you'll progressively move closer to testing |
| 18:56.22 | quiet | valdyn, thanks a lot man |
| 18:56.33 | shingouz | Aradorn: in that case you need use make menucinfig and a few other things |
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| 18:56.57 | shingouz | !tell Aradorn about kp |
| 18:56.59 | BucWheat | deadcat where is yours? |
| 18:57.09 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: by the way... wget has a option that allows you to download a whole directory.. |
| 18:57.10 | shingouz | Aradorn: read that. carefully. twice |
| 18:57.13 | deadcat | http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/boot/grub/images/ |
| 18:57.24 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. so does curl |
| 18:57.47 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: so you dont have to do it manually or use dump function |
| 18:57.48 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya (= |
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| 18:58.12 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I am a l33t haxor !\ |
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| 18:58.22 | deadcat | ahhaha |
| 18:58.30 | TwistedEmotions_ | brb |
| 18:58.38 | gilead | yay, it works with initrd-tools 0.1.81 :-D huge thanks cheal and valdyn!!! :-) |
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| 18:59.08 | js_ | is there an alternative to nfs that gives better performance? it is slow as hell here, transfers are at like 300kb/s over a free 100mbit lan |
| 18:59.25 | PhUrl | olleh, anyone care to help me setup logging for iptables? |
| 18:59.27 | Nunez | When I do "mount" "ls" I get a "Segmentation Fault", "umount" works fine and many other commands, This happened to me all of a sudden last night and I rebooted this morning and its the same way. I have had this happen to me before so I had chattr +i /bin,/sbin,/usr/bin/,/usr/sbin, although I dont know if it has anything to do with that |
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| 18:59.48 | gilead | js_: I have at least 3.5MB/s over 100mbit here, I guess it's not NFS |
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| 19:00.40 | justin | js_: what kind of nics do you have? |
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| 19:01.19 | valdyn | js_: that speed has nothing to do w/ nfs |
| 19:01.48 | hcooper | can anyone give me a quick script to remove underscores from the first characters in a list of filenames? |
| 19:01.54 | thomas_adam | Nunez: Might be a glibc upgrade issue. |
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| 19:02.19 | justin | hcooper: man rename? |
| 19:02.42 | Klowner2 | could anyone point me in the right direction, I'm having screwy problems installing amd64 nvidia drivers on this screwy new system I've got here. |
| 19:02.49 | Nunez | thomas_ada: The thing is it just happened all of a sudden, I havent updated glibc and I know I didnt upgrade it since my last mount, because I was mounting around 8 cds back to back when it happened |
| 19:03.01 | valdyn | hcooper: man bash, for i in _* ... |
| 19:03.07 | comfrey | what to do if a process wont die with a kill -9? |
| 19:03.15 | thomas_adam | Nunez: And there's nothing in your logs that might help? |
| 19:03.21 | RedGlow | comfrey: pray? :-) |
| 19:03.25 | Nielsen | comfrey: either kill the parent, or reboot |
| 19:03.29 | Nunez | thomas_add: where do you want me to check? |
| 19:03.37 | comfrey | dang |
| 19:03.39 | Crell | reboot = the ultimate parent process kill. :-) |
| 19:03.44 | thomas_adam | Nunez: /var/log/messages, would be a start. |
| 19:03.46 | RedGlow | Nielsen: doesn't it simply make the process you want to kill a child of init? |
| 19:03.46 | js_ | justin: rtl8139 and davicom on the other side.. other transfers from say apache and ftp are at 8-10mb/s+ |
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| 19:03.51 | js_ | valdyn: what could it be related to? |
| 19:03.56 | Nielsen | RedGlow: maybe, maybe not |
| 19:04.01 | thomas_adam | RedGlow: It might ophan it, yes. |
| 19:04.07 | Nielsen | RedGlow: it works, sometimes, and sometimes not |
| 19:04.18 | justin | js_: try defaults,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 in /etc/fstab |
| 19:04.22 | comfrey | wow, so i killed the parent and it was inherited by 1 |
| 19:04.26 | greycat | if you're using a signal 9, you're probably doing something wrong to begin with. |
| 19:04.27 | js_ | justin: i did, it gave me the same speed |
| 19:04.29 | comfrey | sheesh! |
| 19:04.37 | js_ | justin: i tried tweaking rsize and wsize using higher values as well |
| 19:04.43 | cheal | Klowner2: what do you mean by screwy? #nvidia or #debian-amd64 may help you |
| 19:04.44 | justin | js_: nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server ? |
| 19:04.49 | greycat | comfrey: is there some reason WHY you aren't just showing us the full line of ps output including the status flag? |
| 19:04.51 | RedGlow | comfrey: well... what's the process status? |
| 19:04.52 | Nielsen | comfrey: reboot or wait for it to die ... |
| 19:04.53 | js_ | justin: nfs-kernel-server |
| 19:05.10 | comfrey | root 9943 1 0 11:58 ? 00:00:00 ls --color=auto |
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| 19:05.20 | Klowner2 | cheal: I'll try there |
| 19:05.20 | justin | js_: *shrug* I get 10+MB/s easy over nfs |
| 19:05.26 | greycat | comfrey: on what file system? something NFS mounted? SMB? |
| 19:05.35 | comfrey | hfsplus ;) |
| 19:05.36 | greycat | comfrey: a USB mass storage device that's physically disconnected? |
| 19:05.38 | Harley^ | Is someone here who is familiar with ffmpeg ? |
| 19:05.39 | js_ | justin: actually when i think about it i only get those low speeds between my gentoo and debian box, while debian between my other debian box goes at great speeds |
| 19:06.02 | greycat | Harley^: try #mplayer |
| 19:06.04 | js_ | justin: i was gonna get rid of gentoo anyway, i cant stand it after only 5-10 hours |
| 19:06.06 | comfrey | is hfsplus just borked? |
| 19:06.15 | Nunez | thomas_ada: nope, just firewall logs and my most recent reboot isnt logged because the filesystem was mounted read only |
| 19:06.20 | Borg^Queen | Hey people I need help trying to figure out why I have no input recording sources. I'm on Sarge, Kernel 2.6.11, with a sound blaster Audigy. I have ALSA and the sound works. I just can't record from any of the sources. |
| 19:06.40 | Spec | have you checked your mixer settings? (aumix) |
| 19:06.41 | shingouz | Borg^Queen: unmute the microphone |
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| 19:06.49 | valdyn | Borg^Queen: how are you trying to record? |
| 19:06.51 | comfrey | it is on a sata sil device... |
| 19:06.52 | cahoot | Borg^Queen: enable capture |
| 19:06.56 | Borg^Queen | shingouz: ha ha |
| 19:06.58 | Harley^ | greycat, thanks |
| 19:07.06 | comfrey | so there are many questionable drivers at work |
| 19:07.18 | Borg^Queen | valdyn: I'm using ReZound |
| 19:07.23 | Borg^Queen | cahoot: pardon? |
| 19:07.30 | Borg^Queen | How do I enable capture? |
| 19:07.31 | greycat | comfrey: which ps flags generated that line? |
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| 19:07.40 | shingouz | Borg^Queen: alsamixer |
| 19:07.41 | comfrey | greycat: ps -ef |
| 19:07.42 | cahoot | Borg^Queen: in alsamixer |
| 19:07.44 | Nielsen | Borg^Queen: try with arecord -f cd and aplay |
| 19:07.47 | Borg^Queen | Plus, in kmix, the input tab is empty |
| 19:07.49 | greycat | comfrey: and what does "ps u -p 9943" say? |
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| 19:08.03 | comfrey | root 9943 0.0 0.0 6960 600 ? D 11:58 0:00 ls --color=auto |
| 19:08.08 | greycat | there we go. state D. |
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| 19:08.20 | greycat | it's stuck in a kernel driver (system call), and is ignoring all signals. |
| 19:08.24 | valdyn | Borg^Queen: in your mixer, but it would be better to try to get alsa recording tested and going ( man arecord ) |
| 19:08.24 | nomed^ | do you know any free cvs hosting? |
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| 19:08.34 | greycat | nomed^: uh, sourceforge... |
| 19:08.40 | gilead | what should I do to make famd ignore certain mount points? It's annoying to have to kill famd when I want to unmount cd or usb drive... |
| 19:08.45 | quiet | okay... another question, probably simple, but I can't figure it out. Doing './configure' prior to compiling JWM, I fails on: "checking for X... no configure: error: Could not find X11" |
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| 19:08.47 | valdyn | Borg^Queen: ...instead of rezound |
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| 19:08.55 | Melior | omg busy here |
| 19:08.59 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 19:09.03 | nomed^ | ops :P greycat i didn't know it was also for bad programmer as me :) |
| 19:09.05 | comfrey | greycat: thanks i will check lkml and see if there are known issuies with either |
| 19:09.13 | Melior | where can i find the debian welcome message when i log in ^^ |
| 19:09.18 | Nielsen | Borg^Queen: using alsamixer, arecord and aplay would be the way to go while debugging |
| 19:09.19 | Spec | quiet: probably need X libraries installed, a something-dev package is probably needed |
| 19:09.21 | greycat | Melior: /etc/motd |
| 19:09.21 | gilead | quiet: looks like you need -dev packages |
| 19:09.25 | Melior | ok thnxs |
| 19:09.29 | valdyn | quiet: thats typical, ./configure scripts expect you to know *some* stuff, its not finding your X11 headers |
| 19:09.30 | Borg^Queen | valdyn: I'm very unfamilair with alsa tools |
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| 19:09.42 | Borg^Queen | Nielsen: ok |
| 19:09.48 | valdyn | Borg^Queen: which is why theres a manpage |
| 19:10.03 | KoopaPoopa | im guessing im being a complete idiot... |
| 19:10.10 | comfrey | yup known hfsplus issue |
| 19:10.12 | Spec | good guess |
| 19:10.23 | Borg^Queen | valdyn: I have read them. the docimentation assumes you are familiar with it |
| 19:10.24 | KoopaPoopa | but ive spent the last half hour looking through the package list for a graphical id3 tag editor |
| 19:10.28 | KoopaPoopa | but i cant find one |
| 19:10.39 | gilead | KoopaPoopa: EasyTag |
| 19:10.40 | Spec | www.sf.net |
| 19:10.54 | KoopaPoopa | excellent, thanks! |
| 19:11.04 | KoopaPoopa | thatd be why, i was doing searches on id3 |
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| 19:11.11 | apfel | What program can be used to query the computer name of an IP address? |
| 19:11.26 | Spec | nslookup? dig? host? i dunno |
| 19:11.27 | Borg^Queen | myinfo |
| 19:11.40 | KoopaPoopa | nslookup is windows |
| 19:11.45 | greycat | nslookup is legacy UNIX. |
| 19:11.49 | KoopaPoopa | ah, haha |
| 19:11.50 | Borg^Queen | apfel:a little script on kde-apps.org |
| 19:11.52 | KoopaPoopa | i am an idiot |
| 19:11.55 | greycat | all 3 of those are in the same package. |
| 19:12.04 | Spec | really? |
| 19:12.07 | Spec | i didn't know that :p |
| 19:12.08 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.14 | KoopaPoopa | haha |
| 19:12.16 | Spec | i wouldn't be suprised |
| 19:12.18 | KoopaPoopa | at least i admit it |
| 19:12.30 | greycat | oops, only 2 of them. host(1) is in bind9-host. |
| 19:12.35 | jethro | host is host |
| 19:12.39 | Spec | KoopaPoopa: oops, i was talking to greycat :p |
| 19:12.55 | jethro | I installed a host package on sarge less than a month ago |
| 19:13.04 | greycat | there're probably alternatives... |
| 19:13.20 | jethro | bind9 provides a similar utility as per package description |
| 19:13.25 | Spec | if you have apt-file installed, you could do apt-file search host or something along those lines |
| 19:13.30 | Spec | but you'll probably get thousands of packages |
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| 19:13.45 | greycat | bind9-host: /usr/bin/host |
| 19:13.50 | jethro | yup |
| 19:14.02 | apfel | Sorry, my question was misleading. The remote host runs Windows and I want to get the computer name which you can enter somewhere in the "system control" (don't know if it's called like that) |
| 19:14.10 | Melior | please pm me how to update kernel |
| 19:14.12 | Melior | and download |
| 19:14.20 | greycat | nobody is going to pm you. |
| 19:14.24 | Melior | O_O |
| 19:14.28 | greycat | !tell Melior about ask |
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| 19:14.55 | Spec | apfel: sounds like samba would help you |
| 19:15.09 | Melior | well |
| 19:15.18 | Melior | can i download a new kernel with apt-get? |
| 19:15.22 | Spec | yes |
| 19:15.22 | karsten | Melior: Yes. |
| 19:15.33 | j_k | Melior: what version of debian are you running ? |
| 19:15.34 | Spec | !tell Spec about cows |
| 19:15.35 | karsten | Who bought IBM's disk drive business? Hitachi or Fugitsu? |
| 19:15.41 | Nurbs | Hitachi |
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| 19:15.44 | Melior | hitachi |
| 19:15.46 | Melior | :P |
| 19:15.49 | Melior | how |
| 19:15.51 | karsten | Nurbs: Melior Danke. |
| 19:16.09 | Melior | apt-get kernel-2.blabla |
| 19:16.16 | Spec | that won't do anything |
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| 19:16.21 | Melior | install* |
| 19:16.21 | furrywolf | !tell Spec about moo |
| 19:16.22 | Melior | O_0 |
| 19:16.28 | greycat | for the love of GOD. |
| 19:16.28 | Spec | Melior: :-p |
| 19:16.32 | greycat | Melior: man apt-get |
| 19:16.39 | shingouz | Melior: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 19:16.45 | greycat | this is UNIX, not kindergarten. Stop being a baby. |
| 19:16.54 | Spec | furrywolf: i know that song :p |
| 19:16.56 | Melior | omg |
| 19:17.01 | Spec | furrywolf: who made it?....worm something, right? |
| 19:17.03 | Melior | wich kernel is stable |
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| 19:17.06 | greycat | arrogant worms |
| 19:17.11 | shingouz | Melior: they all are |
| 19:17.14 | greycat | Melior: 2.4.whatever is the most stable series available IMHO |
| 19:17.14 | Melior | ok |
| 19:17.20 | quiet | sorry about that guys, my Xchat froze up |
| 19:17.27 | greycat | Melior: some new bleeding-edge hardware may require 2.6.x |
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| 19:17.29 | Spec | ah, arrogant worms, that's it |
| 19:17.31 | quiet | okay.. so I need X -dev libs?? |
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| 19:17.35 | greycat | !faq quiet |
| 19:17.36 | dpkg | quiet: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:17.46 | karsten | greycat: What? You didn't like the 0.01 kernel? |
| 19:17.46 | Melior | my stupid usb not working on current |
| 19:17.49 | Melior | brb |
| 19:17.52 | Melior | door bell |
| 19:17.55 | Spec | In my most unhonest opinion, 2.6.x kernels are the most stable |
| 19:17.59 | quiet | greycat ? |
| 19:18.07 | greycat | karsten: 2.0.x is no longer available (won't run on sarge's libc) |
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| 19:18.17 | valdyn | quiet: likely the package "x-dev" |
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| 19:18.29 | karsten | Spec: 2.6.x is not "stable" as 2.4 was, there's continuing developer work on it. |
| 19:18.30 | quiet | that's what I thought, okay |
| 19:18.32 | greycat | valdyn: likely, the package "read the damned FAQ" |
| 19:18.33 | karsten | greycat: Pity. |
| 19:18.41 | karsten | greycat: 2.2.x though right? |
| 19:18.46 | valdyn | aww |
| 19:18.47 | greycat | karsten: on some architectures. |
| 19:18.56 | greycat | karsten: e.g. hppa dropped support for everything prior to 2.6.x (!) |
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| 19:19.15 | karsten | greycat: ...and most things after ;-) |
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| 19:19.37 | greycat | valdyn: it's even on the *front page* of the FAQ. |
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| 19:19.46 | Bazy | what does kpps mean ?? |
| 19:19.55 | quiet | thanks greycat and valdyn. Shouldn't that be a part of the Debian website? |
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| 19:19.58 | greycat | Bazy: use it in a sentence. |
| 19:19.59 | toresbe | !kpps |
| 19:20.03 | TwistedEmotions_ | I know what kbps is.. |
| 19:20.11 | greycat | quiet: we have no control over the debian web site. |
| 19:20.29 | quiet | I understand :) |
| 19:20.33 | greycat | TwistedEmotions_: maybe it's "kilo-*plonk*s per second" |
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| 19:20.47 | greycat | or would that be k*p*ps |
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| 19:20.56 | TwistedEmotions_ | greycat: lol... |
| 19:21.01 | Bazy | greycat someone sayd that trafic thru a 100mbps network, download and upload, generates about 10-15 kpps |
| 19:21.18 | TwistedEmotions_ | Bazy: they meant kbps... |
| 19:21.20 | greycat | Bazy: you misread, or they mistyped. |
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| 19:21.33 | Spec | that, or kpps really does stand for kilo-plonks-per-second |
| 19:21.42 | Crell | kilo-pings-per-second? |
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| 19:21.50 | greycat | also, 100 Mbps is a hell of a lot more than 15 kbps |
| 19:21.52 | Spec | Crell: that's called DOS |
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| 19:22.05 | Crell | Quite. :-) |
| 19:22.11 | TwistedEmotions_ | greycat: maybe they meant as far as overhead... |
| 19:22.17 | greycat | maybe they meant "10-15 kbps worth of ACK packets" or something |
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| 19:22.36 | Spec | kbps = kilo - BITS - per second |
| 19:22.47 | valdyn | maybe thats just completely stupidly taken out of context, or plain bullshit |
| 19:22.53 | Spec | 15 kbps being ungodly slow |
| 19:22.54 | Bazy | yes, i think that by kpps he ment ack pachets... we were talking about flood |
| 19:22.55 | TwistedEmotions_ | true... |
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| 19:23.27 | TwistedEmotions_ | kbps = bits KBPS = bytes? |
| 19:23.34 | greycat | Bazy: so the sentence should have read "downloading at 100 Mbps generates an upload of about 10-15 kbps worth of ACK packets" |
| 19:23.35 | Bazy | he wrote kpps in 2 diferent places, not kbps, but kpps |
| 19:23.35 | TwistedEmotions_ | how do you distinguish? |
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| 19:23.47 | greycat | TwistedEmotions_: kBps or kB/s |
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| 19:23.48 | Bazy | greycat I understand now :) |
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| 19:23.54 | TwistedEmotions_ | Bazy: Perhand he is a idiot... |
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| 19:24.02 | TwistedEmotions_ | greycat: Uhhh... kk. |
| 19:24.08 | Bazy | :) |
| 19:24.11 | TwistedEmotions_ | *ahhhh |
| 19:24.18 | TwistedEmotions_ | *perhaps |
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| 19:24.29 | greycat | TwistedEmotions_: or even KiB/s if you're politically correct |
| 19:24.31 | Spec | 1 kilobyte = 8 kilobits, right? |
| 19:24.36 | greycat | Spec: yes |
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| 19:24.54 | Bazy | I know that :) about kilobites and kilobytes, damn :) |
| 19:24.59 | anthonynunez | "ls" "mount" "grep"...Are giving me "segmentation fault" Is there anyway to fix this? |
| 19:25.00 | Spec | yeah, and so <2kilobytes/sec on a 100mbit network sucks if that's the speed :p |
| 19:25.07 | Bazy | kpps are ack pakets |
| 19:25.11 | Spec | anthonynunez: yes |
| 19:25.15 | TwistedEmotions_ | Spec: Or so they WANT you to think.. they lie... it's probably closer to 9... but shhhh... dont tell anyone |
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| 19:25.20 | greycat | Bazy: it's a TYPO!! |
| 19:25.22 | anthonynunez | Spec: Dont tell me reinstall lol |
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| 19:25.24 | Spec | anthonynunez: cat /var/log/auth.log and check for attacks :p |
| 19:25.24 | greycat | Bazy: it should have been kbps |
| 19:25.28 | Bazy | and when you DoS you use alot of ack pachets |
| 19:25.38 | Bazy | greycat yes, i know |
| 19:25.38 | greycat | Bazy: when you *what*? |
| 19:25.59 | anthonynunez | Spec: I wasnt attacked, but what worms could do this damage to libc? |
| 19:26.00 | Bazy | when you flood, DoSing :) |
| 19:26.02 | Spec | i don't think denial of service is a verb |
| 19:26.11 | Spec | anthonynunez: message me in private and tell you I shall! |
| 19:26.12 | greycat | Bazy: give me one reason I should not just kick ban you right now. |
| 19:26.15 | nomed^ | is there any *real* debian live cd? |
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| 19:26.21 | greycat | nomed^: no |
| 19:26.26 | Bazy | greycat let me explain... |
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| 19:27.11 | anthonynunez | greycat: Help me out, I've searched google and my problem isnt explained how mine is |
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| 19:27.36 | Spec | kpps - kilo packets per second |
| 19:27.39 | Bazy | greycat I received an email from my ISP that said... that I got flooded... and that tru my 512 kbps fiber connection were going abou 90 "kpps", and normali there have to be 10-15 "kpps", so I was confused... i didn't know what kpps were |
| 19:27.40 | valdyn | anthonynunez: faulty hardware, faulty filesystem |
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| 19:27.56 | Spec | anthonynunez: message me and i shall tell you :p |
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| 19:28.03 | gass | hello |
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| 19:28.03 | greycat | Bazy: it's remotely plausible that they meant "kilopackets per second", but that's not a common way to measure traffic. |
| 19:28.17 | valdyn | anthonynunez: you really really want to reinstall and probably run mentest86 |
| 19:28.17 | anthonynunez | valdyn: This happened all of a sudden, I was mounting about 8 cds back to back and it happened |
| 19:28.18 | valdyn | s/mentest/memtest/ |
| 19:28.29 | gass | does anyone know if php4 in sarge brings mmcache and ming? |
| 19:28.33 | greycat | Bazy: either that, or it's some weird fiber thing. |
| 19:28.33 | anthonynunez | valdyn: mentest86? |
| 19:28.37 | anthonynunez | ohh |
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| 19:28.41 | davis | hello |
| 19:28.43 | Bazy | greycat they were talking that they anti-flood filters start droping you at 90 kpps |
| 19:29.01 | davis | where would be a good channel for talking about backing up debian servers? |
| 19:29.08 | greycat | davis: probably this one. |
| 19:29.14 | Bazy | :) |
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| 19:29.35 | davis | hey greycat oh wise one. |
| 19:29.36 | anthonynunez | I jsut dont understand how repeated mount and umount can cause this type of damage |
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| 19:29.42 | Burnzy | I have a few simple question. I am running a webserver with postnuke and it appears as though its getting too bogged down. What command allows me to check the CPU usage and the RAM usage? |
| 19:29.51 | abrotman | top is one way |
| 19:29.52 | greycat | anthonynunez: if you have bad RAM, all bets are off. |
| 19:29.55 | burtonator_ | I'm trying to install a package from experimental.. .is "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free" all I need to add? |
| 19:30.06 | greycat | Burnzy: top, or vmstat |
| 19:30.09 | abrotman | if you have to ask .. you shouldn't :) |
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| 19:30.13 | nomed^ | greycat, when i'll test my scripts i would ask you a suggestion .. just because your unconscious support has been fundamental .. :D ..but maybe in another chan ..and soon . |
| 19:30.17 | anthonynunez | greycat: My ram should be fine, how do i make sure? |
| 19:30.17 | valdyn | burtonator_: you dont want to do this at all |
| 19:30.26 | davis | i have a bad backup stratey, once in a blue moon, I will rsync the contents of my home dir to /opt/burn, make an isofs of /opt/burn and then I burn the iso. |
| 19:30.31 | Spec | anthonynunez: build a kernel |
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| 19:30.33 | Spec | anthonynunez: many times |
| 19:30.39 | abrotman | burtonator_: you understand they may be totally broken at any time right ? |
| 19:30.39 | davis | unfortunately, I am burning the same stuff over and over. |
| 19:30.42 | Spec | anthonynunez: memtests don't always find memory errors |
| 19:30.46 | davis | is there a better way? |
| 19:30.56 | anthonynunez | Spec: I cant, it boots into a read-only filesystem |
| 19:31.03 | greycat | davis: do it more often. |
| 19:31.03 | Spec | davis: look into mondo/mindi |
| 19:31.05 | anthonynunez | Spec: and shits all mounted wrong |
| 19:31.08 | j_k | anthonynunez: and the errors they find aren't always from memory :-) |
| 19:31.15 | burtonator_ | abrotman: yes.. but I REALLY need glibc > 2.3.4 |
| 19:31.21 | burtonator_ | because it breaks Java on Debian |
| 19:31.25 | burtonator_ | 2.3.2 does at least |
| 19:31.28 | anthonynunez | j_k: whos they? |
| 19:31.30 | abrotman | funny .. seems fine to me |
| 19:31.32 | Spec | anthonynunez: i think you should reinstall, the last time simple binaries (ls, df, etc) seg faulted, i had been hacked |
| 19:31.40 | burtonator_ | we're already running the 2.3.4 package and 2.3.5 is now in experimental |
| 19:31.42 | j_k | anthonynunez: memory testers. |
| 19:31.43 | greycat | davis: you want to back up /etc also, at a bare minimum. |
| 19:31.52 | Crell | I'm having a problem compiling the latest kernel sources (2.6.11.10). Every time I run make or make-kpkg, I get a segfault while compiling slab.o. gcc is version 3.3. All of this is on Debian Sid. Any idea what the problem could be? |
| 19:31.54 | greycat | davis: probably also /usr/local and parts of /var |
| 19:32.11 | supaman | hey ... is there some way to know if ones cd drive can boot up from a cd without trying it? |
| 19:32.22 | anthonynunez | Spec: naw, I wasnt hacked, maybe I ran a trojaned binary, but douhtful |
| 19:32.27 | davis | i think maybe I could setup a cron job to rsync dirs to a backup machine |
| 19:32.27 | abrotman | supaman: ask the bios ? |
| 19:32.29 | greycat | supaman: that's a BIOS issue, not a drive issue |
| 19:32.29 | Spec | anthonynunez: how are you so sure? |
| 19:32.35 | anthonynunez | Is there a good way to backup after I install on the stuff I want so I dont have to reinstall again? |
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| 19:32.40 | davis | use rsa keys so I don't have to login. |
| 19:32.41 | valdyn | davis: apt-cache show dirvish |
| 19:32.51 | anthonynunez | Spec: I'm majorly security concious |
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| 19:32.56 | valdyn | davi: that does all that, via ssh / rsync |
| 19:33.04 | supaman | abrotman: well, it was more of a question of if the cd-drive was capable of it or not, not a setting matter in the bios |
| 19:33.04 | Spec | so you've read your auth.log? |
| 19:33.04 | abrotman | burtonator_: does that line not work ? |
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| 19:33.19 | abrotman | supaman: it's always a BIOS question .. the CD drive shuld be irrelevant |
| 19:33.23 | davis | valdyn: that sounds good. im reading the website now. thanks. |
| 19:33.23 | anthonynunez | Spec: well if I was hacked, I'm sure they would have modified auth.log |
| 19:33.40 | Spec | not if it was a script kiddy |
| 19:33.45 | Burnzy | how does one tell how much ram they have installed. |
| 19:33.48 | deadcat | sounds like someones having a case of the mondays (= |
| 19:33.51 | supaman | abrotman: got a friend who says that by experience that is not true (has tried several drives on the same cd and some could do it and some not) |
| 19:33.55 | Spec | Burnzy: free -m maybe |
| 19:34.01 | davis | valdyn: does it require root logins via ssh? |
| 19:34.03 | deadcat | Burnzy: free or install linuxlogo |
| 19:34.08 | j_k | anthonynunez: you mean backup your selection of packages? |
| 19:34.17 | mrbuckets | does anyone actually use exim? |
| 19:34.18 | burtonator_ | abrotman: hm.. well i was running testing.. and rewriting my sources.list doesn't allow apt-get install to see the new package |
| 19:34.25 | davis | valdyn: a new mandate came down that we can't have ssh logins via ssh anymore. |
| 19:34.28 | deadcat | mrbuckets: no postfix |
| 19:34.29 | anthonynunez | dont know of a script kiddie with the most recent apache remote exploit, plus it wasnt on the default port |
| 19:34.35 | burtonator_ | but http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/main/binary-i386/Packages shows that 2.3.5 is in there |
| 19:34.42 | davis | valdyn: puts a dint in my rsync root@xxxx plans. |
| 19:34.59 | _keroppi_ | Just to confirm, in debian where is the file that you specify what window-manager to run by default with startx? Is it ~/.xinitrc, ~/.Xsession, ~/.xinitrc/.Xsession, or something else? |
| 19:34.59 | mrbuckets | deadcat: why do you use postfix? |
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| 19:35.20 | deadcat | mrbuckets: it works and easy to config. |
| 19:35.28 | Spec | anthonynunez: read the auth.log anyways, ^.^ |
| 19:35.32 | deadcat | muckdog: but i only do localmail though. (= |
| 19:35.55 | deadcat | _keroppi_: .xsession then you can ln -s it to .xinitrc (= |
| 19:35.58 | mrbuckets | deadcat:muckdog eh? I kind of like that |
| 19:36.14 | valdyn | davis: thats the default, maybe you could suid /usr/sbin/dirvish, i dont know |
| 19:36.15 | mtnman | _keroppi_: all of those are appropriate. they are checked in sequence(man xsession) |
| 19:36.16 | abrotman | burtonator_: apt-get update first |
| 19:36.36 | deadcat | mrbuckets: oops (= |
| 19:36.41 | burtonator_ | abrotman: nevermind... I had APT::Default-Release "testing" set |
| 19:36.43 | burtonator_ | my bad |
| 19:36.50 | abrotman | burtonator_: erm .. ok |
| 19:36.55 | valdyn | davis: its just a perl script... |
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| 19:37.04 | anthonynunez | Spec: nothing in auth.log that looks funky |
| 19:37.08 | quiet | how to add a display manager to GDM?? Specifically, JWM, which I had to compile, and as such, is not automatically recognized? |
| 19:37.25 | Spec | anthonynunez: good, but i still hope you had backups, 'cause seg faulting random binaries is still a bad sign :p |
| 19:37.29 | mrbuckets | deadcat: tell me you didn't honestly make the mistake of calling me muckdog...that's an odd misread |
| 19:37.35 | anthonynunez | Is it possible that a faulty cdrom drive would mess it up? |
| 19:37.36 | metaperl | what is the best way to see if ghc-6.4 has moved to testing? |
| 19:37.37 | Spec | try ldd `which (whatever program is crashing)` |
| 19:37.41 | deadcat | quiet: check /etc/X11/gdm/ under Sessions or something. create one yourself there. |
| 19:37.51 | abrotman | metaperl: why would it ? RC bugs or security fixes ? |
| 19:37.54 | Spec | mrbuckets: probably tab-auto-completition |
| 19:37.59 | anthonynunez | Spec: Whats a good program to backup to DVD? |
| 19:38.02 | deadcat | mrbuckets: i have bad typing skills (= |
| 19:38.05 | Spec | anthonynunez: mondo/mindi :) |
| 19:38.14 | valdyn | davis: not being root however makes backing up tricky |
| 19:38.15 | anthonynunez | Spec: I didnt, all system links to libs that are there |
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| 19:38.34 | mrbuckets | tweedbat: me too |
| 19:38.46 | Spec | o/` the brothers are gonna work it out o/` |
| 19:38.55 | valdyn | davis: so thats a seemingly stupid policy |
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| 19:39.30 | Spec | valdyn: are you talking about backing things up? |
| 19:39.45 | valdyn | Spec: yes |
| 19:39.54 | Spec | valdyn: cron-root mondo/backup into a .iso, scp it over to another machine for safe-keeping, and/or burn it |
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| 19:40.29 | Spec | when your machine dies, take the iso, burn it on a cd, put it in and you just need to press some buttons and it automagically restores everything |
| 19:40.52 | Spec | it can even install on different hardware, and harddrive sizes/etc, complete with automagic partition resizing |
| 19:40.52 | bucky | metaperl apt-cache search ghc6 |
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| 19:41.20 | metaperl | bucky: thanks |
| 19:41.48 | anthonynunez | Spec: Could a faulty cdrom drive be a problem? |
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| 19:42.11 | metaperl | bucky: actually that only tells me the package exists.. not the version |
| 19:42.16 | Spec | anthonynunez: yes, it could be a problem, but it would probably not produce the prblems you're having =P |
| 19:42.22 | bucky | metaperl apt-cache show ghc6 |
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| 19:42.31 | Spec | apt-cache showpkg ghc6? |
| 19:42.55 | anthonynunez | Spec: figured lol, but its weird that it happened right when all my mounting and umounting cds |
| 19:43.06 | metaperl | bucky: thanks |
| 19:43.11 | Spec | anthonynunez: have you tried rebooting? |
| 19:43.27 | anthonynunez | Spec: yeah |
| 19:43.32 | Spec | that sucks |
| 19:43.34 | anthonynunez | Spec: windows boots up fine ;) |
| 19:43.53 | Spec | reinstall; it's fun! |
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| 19:44.15 | anthonynunez | Spec: Its juat all that time setting up the shit was wasted |
| 19:44.23 | anthonynunez | Spec: Im not formatting /home, fuck that |
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| 19:44.44 | Spec | hehe |
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| 19:45.00 | Spec | and now anthonynunez learns why I <3 mondo/mindi |
| 19:45.22 | anthonynunez | Spec: How would I install the backup if this happens again with mondo/mindi? |
| 19:45.24 | nakor | Can someone please help me with my usb cf/sm reader? driver=(none) shows up in /proc/bus/usb/devices for the card reader and i have the usb-storage and ide-scsi modules loaded. Query me if you can help |
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| 19:45.40 | Spec | when my box got attacked and df, ls, mv, etc were seg faulting, and auth.log made it quite apparant that a script kiddy had hacked the box, I had the server back up good as new in less than an hour |
| 19:46.17 | Spec | mondo/mindi backs up all your data into iso files (if you tell it to), and then you burn those to cds and put them back in, it boots off the cd, and then restores all your data/partition schemes/etc |
| 19:46.24 | mrbuckets | I've just uninstalled exim (exim4, exim-da |
| 19:46.29 | anthonynunez | wow |
| 19:46.30 | anthonynunez | thats nice |
| 19:46.35 | Spec | I don't really know of a backup program that's better than mondo/mindi |
| 19:46.42 | anthonynunez | sounds like a plan |
| 19:46.46 | Spec | for personal use, at any rate |
| 19:46.56 | xidaux | Is the "Lonely genius who is finallly driven to suicide" a cliche ? |
| 19:47.58 | anthonynunez | Spec: How did they get into your box? |
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| 19:48.18 | mrbuckets | I've just uninstalled exim (exim4, exim-dee/quit |
| 19:48.45 | Spec | anthonynunez: not my box, root's password was set to a really easy password and ssh allowed remote root logins |
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| 19:49.05 | Spec | anthonynunez: i had backed up the box, and had sudo, but didn't know the root password was ...well, stupid :p |
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| 19:49.58 | delire | can anyone reccomend a PCMCIA TV card? |
| 19:50.08 | mrbuckets | Ok, so I just uninstalled exim4, and was wondering if there was a non messy way of getting rid of all the associated files which are installed when you install that package, aka the /etc files, and I don't know of any others that might be floating around |
| 19:50.08 | deadcat | delire: none |
| 19:50.16 | delire | shame |
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| 19:50.22 | delire | deadcat: albeit they do exist |
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| 19:50.33 | deadcat | delire: let me know (= |
| 19:50.40 | delire | deadcat: :| |
| 19:50.46 | mrbuckets | i know that dpkg --purge, normally does that, but I couldn't do it that way, because removing those packages would break dependencies. So I installed postfix instead, and exim was remove, but not purged. |
| 19:50.48 | deadcat | delire: tv on laptop is cool (= |
| 19:50.58 | greycat | mrbuckets: dpkg --purge |
| 19:51.16 | scorphus | hi. How do I setup pppoe to reconnect (auto-dial) on disconnect? |
| 19:51.18 | _keroppi_ | deadcat: thanks |
| 19:51.22 | deadcat | delire: portable tv (=.. usb baby. |
| 19:51.26 | greycat | mrbuckets: dpkg --purge --force-depends IMMEDIATELY followed by replacing the mail-transport-agent package. |
| 19:51.27 | _keroppi_ | mtnman: thanks |
| 19:51.44 | greycat | mrbuckets: better, install postfix first, *then* purge exim4. |
| 19:51.51 | mrbuckets | greycat: --force-depends makes dpkg ignore the dependencies? |
| 19:51.55 | greycat | (and exim4-config and whatever else) |
| 19:51.56 | delire | deadcat: too big for regular air/train travel sadly. i need something light. |
| 19:52.21 | deadcat | delire: hehe. |
| 19:52.43 | deadcat | any cheap usb tvcard? works on linux? (= |
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| 19:52.59 | delire | deadcat: i have a shuttle. any experience with PCI tv cards under Linux? |
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| 19:53.15 | delire | deadcat: they come with a carry case u c ;) |
| 19:53.21 | anthonynunez | Is a network install possible where it install a 2.6.x kernel? |
| 19:53.34 | deadcat | delire: bt878 are ok |
| 19:53.35 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 19:53.38 | pipeline | anthonynunez: Yes. |
| 19:53.43 | mrbuckets | greycat: I just man dpkg, did you mean --ignore-depends? |
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| 19:55.19 | delire | deadcat: ok cheers. and usb tv cards, never heard of such magic. will look into it. |
| 19:55.29 | deadcat | ya. |
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| 19:56.04 | Melior | yo |
| 19:56.05 | blahdeblah | Hi. Topic says "SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up". Do we use sarge security just like woody security? |
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| 19:56.23 | Melior | kernel-image-2.2.20 i want that kernel |
| 19:56.30 | Melior | but what no |
| 19:56.31 | Melior | now |
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| 19:56.45 | Melior | apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 ? |
| 19:56.54 | jethro | eNTi: yes |
| 19:56.56 | jethro | Melior: yes |
| 19:56.57 | abrotman | blahdeblah: yes .. change woody to sarge in your security line |
| 19:57.00 | jethro | eNTi: sorry I can't type today |
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| 19:57.04 | abrotman | blahdeblah: if you're currently running sarge |
| 19:57.20 | Melior | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 19:57.21 | Melior | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 19:57.24 | Melior | woopsie |
| 19:57.25 | Melior | :P |
| 19:57.33 | jethro | Melior: read the end of the second line :) |
| 19:57.37 | delire | Melior: what do you think that means? |
| 19:57.42 | abrotman | oh .. i can guess!!! |
| 19:57.44 | Melior | i know |
| 19:57.45 | Melior | su root |
| 19:57.46 | Melior | done |
| 19:57.47 | abrotman | pick me .. i know the answer! |
| 19:57.51 | delire | hehe |
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| 19:58.38 | Melior | downloading |
| 19:58.58 | Melior | i think the current kernel doesnt turn my cpu fan on |
| 19:59.08 | TwistedEmotions_ | that is dope... with xchat you can just detach the #debian window... not sure what use it has.. but its nice. |
| 19:59.12 | delire | Melior: try lengerie? |
| 19:59.29 | jethro | !tell Melior -about enter |
| 19:59.31 | delire | Melior: my 2.6.11 wears lipstick |
| 19:59.34 | Melior | i needed to install Debian because gentoo cant handle my laptop videocard |
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| 20:00.17 | Melior | !tell jethro _about "niet zeuren" |
| 20:00.26 | Crell | What's the official package name of the current gcc? |
| 20:00.29 | TwistedEmotions | !test |
| 20:00.30 | dpkg | No, twistedemotions, you're not online any more. |
| 20:00.34 | TwistedEmotions | kk good |
| 20:00.37 | Melior | Would you like to create a boot floppy now? [No] |
| 20:00.45 | useruser | Crell: gcc? |
| 20:00.47 | FieldySnuts | !nickometer TwistedEmotions |
| 20:00.47 | dpkg | 'TwistedEmotions' is 0.000% lame, fieldysnuts |
| 20:01.05 | Melior | omg what do i need to do |
| 20:01.05 | luulis | Melior: so whats your laptop videocard? |
| 20:01.13 | Melior | euh |
| 20:01.15 | TwistedEmotions | !nickometer FieldySnuts |
| 20:01.20 | Melior | Chips and technologies |
| 20:01.29 | TwistedEmotions | hehe.. your no better. |
| 20:01.31 | Melior | 2mn or something |
| 20:01.33 | abrotman | you're |
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| 20:01.36 | Melior | mb |
| 20:01.39 | Melior | You already have a LILO configuration in /etc/lilo.conf |
| 20:01.39 | Melior | Install a boot block using the existing /etc/lilo.conf? [Yes] |
| 20:01.43 | Melior | ? |
| 20:01.56 | HelmutG | hi. is there a method to disable libc6-i686 for certain applications (i.e. firefox)? |
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| 20:02.03 | FieldySnuts | !irritate Melior |
| 20:02.04 | dpkg | Melior: HELP ME!!! who uses cable plz msg me, Alleria |
| 20:02.05 | Crell | useruser: Yes, I need to check the BTS, but it says it can't find a package named "gcc". |
| 20:02.14 | FieldySnuts | oh no it's using $randnick heh |
| 20:02.14 | HelmutG | the libc6-i686 nptl implementation seems to be buggy when used with firefox. |
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| 20:02.27 | Melior | fieldy snuts ssst |
| 20:02.30 | Melior | Installation successful. |
| 20:02.34 | delire | Crell: 'apt-cache search <keyword>' |
| 20:02.36 | useruser | Crell: bugs.debian.org/gcc works for me |
| 20:02.45 | mond0 | $ sudo mailq | grep frozen | wc -l |
| 20:02.45 | mond0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.51 | FieldySnuts | ouch! |
| 20:02.55 | delire | eek |
| 20:02.57 | mond0 | how can i unfreeze these? :) |
| 20:02.59 | Melior | how can i see my current kernel and how to config it? |
| 20:03.09 | delire | mond0: sendmail -qf |
| 20:03.11 | FieldySnuts | wait however long your mta takes to kill em (days?) |
| 20:03.20 | mrbuckets | Melior: I think 'uname -a' |
| 20:03.23 | delire | mond0: ISTR ;) |
| 20:03.27 | mond0 | delire, aw. i've tried that. lemme try again. |
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| 20:03.36 | Melior | oh |
| 20:03.42 | Crell | Hm. Related question. there seems to be a gcc 3.3 and 3.4 in the tree, but my kernel is compiling with 3.3, I think. |
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| 20:03.45 | Melior | fuck |
| 20:03.47 | Melior | wrong kernel |
| 20:03.50 | Melior | :@ |
| 20:03.51 | TwistedEmotions | fuck |
| 20:04.01 | Melior | i need 2.6 |
| 20:04.05 | TwistedEmotions | just trying to be agreeable. |
| 20:04.09 | mrbuckets | hah |
| 20:04.21 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a kernel war |
| 20:04.22 | apt | 2.2 is old and slow! |
| 20:04.32 | TwistedEmotions | apt-get install kernel-source<whatever> |
| 20:04.35 | Melior | Linux Max-Laptop 2.2.20-idepci |
| 20:04.40 | TwistedEmotions | wowowow |
| 20:04.46 | dondelelcaro | I think he said war, not commonly agreed upon fact... |
| 20:04.52 | FieldySnuts | 2.6.11.9-grsec-20050512 me crazy |
| 20:05.13 | dondelelcaro | although. 2.0 still has its merits |
| 20:05.16 | TwistedEmotions | 2.6.10-1-686 SPM |
| 20:05.19 | TwistedEmotions | ;P |
| 20:05.20 | FieldySnuts | hehe yeah |
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| 20:05.39 | Melior | E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.10 |
| 20:05.42 | Melior | m00000000000 |
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| 20:06.07 | TwistedEmotions | melior... apt-get update then... apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 20:06.16 | hasimir44 | anyone know how to forward dns requests/replies through iptables masquerading? |
| 20:06.42 | Melior | twisteblabla i only see 2.4 |
| 20:06.46 | Melior | kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 |
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| 20:06.54 | Melior | i need 2.6? |
| 20:06.59 | seven_six_two | I just upgraded my debian woody system with smart update, and i now get a repeated error on boot: http://pastebin.com/288614 . My menu.1st file looks fine: http://pastebin.com/288616 , and my root partition is hda2 as it says...any suggestions on what to fix? |
| 20:06.59 | green_earz | hi all i just going to install apache and i have seen from apt-cache that there is apache2 should I is install apache2 ? |
| 20:07.47 | seven_six_two | **debian sarge |
| 20:07.48 | Crell | Hm. To whom do I submit a bug in the BTS? :-) |
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| 20:08.09 | Melior | why is the highest kernel in that list kernel-image-2.4.18-k7 ? |
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| 20:08.43 | balika | hi |
| 20:08.50 | balika | can you help me |
| 20:08.53 | Melior | hi |
| 20:08.53 | Melior | no |
| 20:08.54 | cheal | Crell: what do you mean? you want to open a new bug? |
| 20:08.55 | Melior | :P |
| 20:08.58 | balika | :D |
| 20:09.00 | balika | ok, bye :D |
| 20:09.02 | jethro | !tell balika -about ask |
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| 20:09.21 | blahdeblah | abrotman: Belated thanks (got caught up in #LinuxHelp :-) |
| 20:09.23 | Crell | cheal: Apparently searching for "gcc" works, but "gcc " yields no results. I'd consider that a bug. |
| 20:09.29 | Crell | In the BTS search function. |
| 20:09.29 | Melior | damn |
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| 20:09.35 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: change your apt-get sources to testing... your probably running woody. |
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| 20:09.41 | Melior | yeah |
| 20:09.44 | Melior | its woody |
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| 20:09.48 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: personal computer or server? |
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| 20:09.54 | Melior | going to be server |
| 20:10.03 | Melior | now on slow connection |
| 20:10.05 | Melior | gameserver |
| 20:10.05 | abrotman | blahdeblah: que? |
| 20:10.11 | abrotman | blahdeblah: regarding sarge security ? |
| 20:10.11 | mond0 | hm, after running sendmail -qf, i still have all those 7209 frozen messages. how can i flush 'em? the problem was that root could not recieve mail for a month or two. now root can. i'd like if these messages would make it to root's mailbox now that things are fixed. |
| 20:10.12 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: does it need to be hella secure? |
| 20:10.21 | Melior | dthink not |
| 20:10.26 | abrotman | it's a game server :) |
| 20:10.27 | jethro | Crell: apt-get install reportbug |
| 20:10.32 | balika | I try to install Sarge on my new notebook, no success. It's a Clevo M400A with SATA hdd |
| 20:10.47 | Melior | i already used gentoo on it |
| 20:10.49 | abrotman | balika: you tried 2.4 and 2.6 images ? |
| 20:10.49 | Melior | low load |
| 20:10.55 | balika | 2.6.8-2 |
| 20:10.58 | Melior | but wont work with mt screen |
| 20:11.01 | Melior | my |
| 20:11.08 | abrotman | balika: any errors to speak of ? |
| 20:11.12 | Melior | it doesnt turn the screen OFF |
| 20:11.13 | exobyte | I wonder why I have some mp3s that have 3 byte that differ.. |
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| 20:11.24 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: so just change apt-get source files to testing... sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:11.29 | balika | the installer couldn't find the contoller |
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| 20:11.34 | balika | nor the hdd |
| 20:11.36 | abrotman | balika: ask #debian-boot |
| 20:11.44 | cheal | Crell: I don't understand. "gcc " yields no results is what way? |
| 20:11.52 | abrotman | balika: if it can't find the controller .. obviously not gonna find the HDD .. maybe your laptop has a PATA mode ? |
| 20:11.59 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: Errrr... change sources... apt-get update... get new kernel... then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:12.00 | abrotman | balika: but i'd ask #debian-boot |
| 20:12.17 | dhr | interfaces(5) alludes to wireless-* options but does not describe them. It points to iwconfig(8) which does not describe them (as options for interfaces). Is there a manpage that does? |
| 20:12.19 | balika | it has not |
| 20:12.28 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: if your setting it up might as well upgrade everything |
| 20:12.39 | balika | no setting in bios |
| 20:12.39 | abrotman | balika: which controller ? |
| 20:12.42 | Spec | dhr: maybe try using info |
| 20:12.42 | Melior | twisted : i did apt-get dist-upgrade but i see its unpacking stuff from woody? |
| 20:12.43 | balika | ICH6 |
| 20:12.54 | Melior | done now |
| 20:12.56 | Spec | Melior: i'm pretty sure you're not supposed to use dist-upgrade? |
| 20:12.57 | abrotman | balika: seems to me that should be supported .. ask #debian-boot |
| 20:13.05 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: apt-get update... then apt-get upgrade |
| 20:13.07 | Crell | cheal: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ Go to the "what to search for" box, and enter gcc with a space after it. |
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| 20:13.24 | Melior | done |
| 20:13.32 | jethro | dhr: it points to man 7 wireless which has your answer |
| 20:13.53 | jethro | dhr: I mean man 5 interfaces points you to man 7 wireless |
| 20:13.55 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: no way that fast... did you change your sources files? |
| 20:14.09 | Melior | omg |
| 20:14.11 | Melior | silly me |
| 20:14.12 | TwistedEmotions | to testing... or at least sarge... |
| 20:14.17 | Melior | where to find it |
| 20:14.18 | TwistedEmotions | grrr... |
| 20:14.20 | Melior | i forget |
| 20:14.28 | TwistedEmotions | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:14.37 | new2gentoo | TwistedEmotions, does not sarge=testing? |
| 20:14.42 | Melior | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 20:14.50 | Melior | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 20:14.50 | TwistedEmotions | change all instances of stable to testing or sarge |
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| 20:15.04 | TwistedEmotions | new2gentoo: true... but isnt sarge about to go stable? |
| 20:15.16 | Crell | TwistedEmotions: In theory. ;-) |
| 20:15.36 | TwistedEmotions | heh.. then just change it to testing... thats what I run.. no problems |
| 20:15.37 | Melior | ok |
| 20:15.39 | Melior | done |
| 20:15.42 | blahdeblah | "Even *communism* works - in /theory/" Homer J. Simpson |
| 20:15.44 | jethro | is a package maintainer responsible for the content of a manpage? |
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| 20:15.48 | TwistedEmotions | apt-get update |
| 20:15.48 | Melior | well i need testing i think |
| 20:15.53 | new2gentoo | blahdeblah, lol |
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| 20:16.05 | jethro | or is there a separate -doc team for this job ? |
| 20:16.11 | Melior | i need my usb port |
| 20:16.27 | dhr | jethro: thanks! I was looking at an older version which did not http://www.annodex.net/cgi-bin/man/man2html?interfaces+5 |
| 20:16.32 | Melior | and now apt-get update? |
| 20:16.34 | TwistedEmotions | then apt-cache search kernel-image-foo |
| 20:16.37 | blahdeblah | new2gentoo: Ah, Homer. Your quotes serve me well. BTW, if you are new2gentoo, what are you doing in #debian? :-) |
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| 20:16.53 | jethro | dhr: can't you use the manpages on the debian system you want to configure? |
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| 20:16.54 | delire | jethro: that is very odd |
| 20:16.55 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: upgrade your kernel first.. |
| 20:17.03 | Melior | ok how |
| 20:17.04 | jethro | delire: what do you mean? |
| 20:17.06 | Melior | need 2.6 |
| 20:17.15 | balika | abrotman: #debian-boot seems to be dead |
| 20:17.21 | delire | jethro " jethro/#debian wonders why the hell man 7 wireless tells him about suse configuration" |
| 20:17.21 | zahod | is there any reason to keep /home setgid? would "d--x--x--x home" break something? |
| 20:17.21 | Baard | I'm having some trouble with Vim and utf8 files. Any tip on how to make Vim show utf8 files correct? Å turns up like Ă¥ and so on :) I have run dpkg-reconfigure locales and selected utf8 too, but that didn't help |
| 20:17.24 | balika | abrotman: no answer |
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| 20:17.32 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 20:17.36 | jethro | delire: ok |
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| 20:17.45 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: 7.1.1 Debian standard method |
| 20:17.46 | greycat | zahod: it shouldn't matter |
| 20:17.48 | abrotman | balika: still the best place to ask .. you might have to wait a bit |
| 20:18.00 | cheal | balika: is your controller supported by linux 2.6.8? |
| 20:18.01 | dhr | jethro: no, this is a Zaurus, with no manpages loaded (yet?). I did just boot a knoppix to check. Is there a website with current manpages "live"? |
| 20:18.09 | abrotman | cheal: ICH6 .. i thought it was |
| 20:18.12 | zahod | great |
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| 20:18.14 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: you need to read up a little.. I'm a newb and I know this isnt. |
| 20:18.19 | TwistedEmotions | *isht. |
| 20:18.29 | balika | cheal: yes |
| 20:18.33 | jethro | dhr: I couldn't tell you. check debian.org for online manpages, I don't know if there is such a thing |
| 20:18.48 | balika | cheal: ICH6 is supported |
| 20:18.49 | greycat | jethro: sure as hell not on debian.org. |
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| 20:19.00 | jethro | greycat: wouldn't it be usefull? |
| 20:19.03 | greycat | jethro: but openbsd has them, naturally. |
| 20:19.12 | jethro | greycat: debian manpages? are you kidding me? |
| 20:19.13 | greycat | jethro: of *course* it would be useful. but this is debian *GNU*/Linux. |
| 20:19.20 | Melior | omg |
| 20:19.22 | greycat | jethro: no. it has openbsd man pages. |
| 20:19.23 | jethro | ah ok I misunderstand you :) |
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| 20:19.24 | Melior | looks to dificult |
| 20:19.26 | Melior | :S |
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| 20:19.32 | jethro | s/stand/stood/ even |
| 20:19.46 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: it really isnt... but you have to know what your doing at least 1/2 assed. |
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| 20:19.52 | cheal | balika: sorry, I missed it |
| 20:19.56 | Melior | the first line |
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| 20:20.04 | Crell | Question. I currently have gcc 3.3 installed. 3.4 is in the archive for sid currently. Is it reasonable to try 3.4 before reporting a bug on 3.3? And if I just apt-get install gcc-3.4, will that horribly break things or is it effectively drop-in (for things like make-kpkg)? |
| 20:20.06 | Melior | i need to change it to the kernel i want? |
| 20:20.18 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: join #flood... |
| 20:20.22 | Melior | neh |
| 20:20.28 | Melior | that wont help i think |
| 20:20.28 | balika | cheal: shall I do a bug-report, or where to start |
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| 20:20.54 | Melior | soz im just noob at linux and i want my system on a 100mbit soon |
| 20:20.59 | TwistedEmotions | Melior: trying to walk you through it... join #flood so I can tell you what to do.. what do you mean it wont help? |
| 20:21.06 | jethro | manpages even |
| 20:21.16 | cheal | Crell: it shouldn't break things |
| 20:21.20 | Melior | i thougt it was a chat shit |
| 20:21.22 | delire | Crell: you can run several versions of gcc concurrently. /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink to whatever gcc -v you would like. |
| 20:21.22 | Melior | :P |
| 20:21.31 | jethro | fifi.org has it |
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| 20:21.35 | abrotman | well this is cute .. apache is barfing on upgrade .. |
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| 20:21.44 | Crell | I see. I just want to try using 3.4 for the kernel and see if that works before filing a bug. |
| 20:21.45 | jethro | dhr: http://www.fifi.org/cgi-bin/man2html/usr/share/man/man7/wireless.7.gz |
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| 20:22.01 | dhr | jethro: http://www.annodex.net/cgi-bin/man/man2html?interfaces+5 has old ones. looking at fifi |
| 20:22.26 | jethro | dhr: fifi.org has an up to date man page for interfaces too |
| 20:22.34 | jethro | dhr: I d consider using this if I were you |
| 20:22.39 | delire | Crell: just 'carefully' 'rm /usr/bin/gcc && ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc' |
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| 20:22.52 | jethro | greycat: would a factoid in dpkg for online manpages be usefull? |
| 20:23.01 | Subvertir | in python, if I read a file as a string like so: file.open('file', 'r'); FileVar = file.read() - if 'file' contains %s, can I then do print FileVar %(arg1, arg2) or do I have to use a regex to replace stuff in it? |
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| 20:23.07 | cheal | balika: heh, don't ask me :) |
| 20:23.12 | RichiH | jethro: certainly |
| 20:23.13 | Crell | delire: Will installing gcc-3.4 do that automatically, and is there an update-alternatives for it? |
| 20:23.21 | RichiH | jethro: besides, anyone may add stuff ;) |
| 20:23.43 | greycat | jethro: you don't have to ask permission to add useful factoids... |
| 20:24.00 | abrotman | now .. useless factoids .. we love those too :) |
| 20:24.01 | jethro | dpkg online manpages is <reply> see http://www.fifi.org/ |
| 20:24.01 | dpkg | okay, jethro |
| 20:24.04 | greycat | Crell: gcc doesn't use alternatives. cc does. |
| 20:24.09 | Crell | I see. |
| 20:24.09 | delire | Crell: i don't use update-alternatives too often. just installing it won't set a newer version of gcc as default. |
| 20:24.13 | abrotman | they kill knoppix users :) |
| 20:24.13 | jethro | I wasn't asking permission, I was questionning the use |
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| 20:25.24 | greycat | jethro: ooh, nice. they even have debian specific ones (like dpkg(8)) |
| 20:25.40 | jethro | greycat: I think the whole site is debian specific but I might be wrong |
| 20:26.04 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.09 | jethro | duh |
| 20:26.12 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.22 | guruman | hello, my computer hangs during boot-up (network error) is there some way to start so i can choose what things that should start? |
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| 20:26.39 | greycat | jethro: no need to duck. I'm just poking at it to see what they've got. |
| 20:26.44 | jethro | greycat: it has debian specific manpages like interfaces, dpkg and such, maybe it has only those |
| 20:26.50 | Leo42 | how can i change the directory packages are downloaded to ? |
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| 20:26.58 | Spec | guruman: you can boot into single user mode |
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| 20:27.03 | delire | greycat: hosting manpages for exim would require them to upgrade their webhosting account. |
| 20:27.08 | Spec | guruman: and then use update-rc.d to take out things you don't want to start up |
| 20:27.08 | greycat | looks like they have sendmail (the *real* sendmail) installed, and they only have manpages for things that are installed locally. |
| 20:27.53 | guruman | spec ok, how do i do that? some "magic" key after lilo or something? |
| 20:27.53 | Crell | OK that's weird. |
| 20:28.02 | greycat | jethro: we could, in theory, determine which packages they have installed, if we do enough brute force querying... |
| 20:28.13 | Crell | Just installing gcc-3.4, and doing nothing else, seems to have made the kernel compile continue just fine. |
| 20:28.20 | Spec | guruman: edit kernel parameters in lilo before you boot, and add an "S" at the end |
| 20:28.21 | jethro | greycat: and then you talk about mod_throttle to protect your own site? ;) |
| 20:28.22 | Crell | Even though the symlink still points to 3.3 |
| 20:28.35 | greycat | jethro: mod_iplimitconn. |
| 20:28.42 | jethro | greycat: my bad :) |
| 20:28.46 | greycat | jethro: err, limitipconn |
| 20:28.59 | delire | Crell: well gcc-3.3 should be fine. which kernel version are you compiling? |
| 20:29.06 | hellfire | how do i do that "*hellfire does ..." in irc ? |
| 20:29.12 | greycat | jethro: it's people who want to download 10 ogg files at once that I have to protect against, not people looking up stuff on my home page. |
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| 20:29.18 | greycat | hellfire: /me |
| 20:29.30 | jethro | greycat: I know, I was just teasing you |
| 20:29.37 | hellfire | thx |
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| 20:30.00 | Crell | delire: 2.6.11.10. I tried an hour or two ago and it died with a segfault on the slab.o module. I've changed nothing else but installing gcc-3.4, yet it works. |
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| 20:30.08 | guruman | spec, great, im at prompt, :) thanks for the help |
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| 20:30.25 | Thanatermesis | how to search "only symbolic links" in one directory and after sub-directories ? |
| 20:30.31 | avinoam21 | Hello folks |
| 20:30.32 | delire | Crell: a segfault? weird. |
| 20:30.34 | usn | hi all |
| 20:30.40 | delire | Crell: what architecture? |
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| 20:31.06 | Crell | delire: Agreed. :-) i386 arch, actual processor is an Athlon 2100+. |
| 20:31.21 | jethro | greycat: this site seems to be a really nice collection of debian related documentation, not only online manpages |
| 20:31.26 | BucWheat | deadcat still around? |
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| 20:31.55 | BucWheat | deadcat i get garbage on screen for like 1sec then regular bootup appears |
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| 20:32.14 | BucWheat | who knew setting up bootsplash could be so time consuming |
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| 20:32.28 | j_k | Crell: did you reproduce it multiple times? |
| 20:33.07 | Crell | j_k: Yes, same error in the same place every time. I was going to file it as a bug when I noticed there was a 3.4 available, installed that, the symlink still points to 3.3 but it's still compiling fine now. |
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| 20:33.29 | nakor | Can someone please help me with my usb cf/sm reader? driver=(none) shows up in /proc/bus/usb/devices for the card reader and i have the usb-storage and ide-scsi modules loaded. Query me if you can help |
| 20:33.47 | mlots_ | How do I detect the existance of a file in a shell script (not using any XSIisms)? |
| 20:33.49 | Crell | nakor: What kernel? |
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| 20:34.06 | avinoam21 | anyone else here on colinux? |
| 20:34.18 | greycat | if so, you're in the wrong place. |
| 20:34.28 | nakor | 2.6.10.5 |
| 20:34.29 | avinoam21 | why? |
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| 20:34.39 | greycat | 'cause this is #debian. |
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| 20:34.47 | avinoam21 | i am using debian |
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| 20:34.56 | mond0 | just FYI, for anyone wondering, exim will attempt to flush frozen messages thusly: sendmail -qff (that's two 'f's) |
| 20:35.07 | sebas_ | it is posible to check the HD integrity without umount it? |
| 20:35.15 | greycat | !frozen mail |
| 20:35.15 | dpkg | well, frozen mail is <damf> FeliX-D: exim -M message-id will immediately attempt to remail a frozen mail. <Zygo> greycat: needs to know about exim -qff (all frozen mail) and the 'auto_thaw' parameter (send frozen mail every N seconds) |
| 20:35.15 | seven_six_two | is apt in /usr ? |
| 20:35.25 | mlots_ | What's a good place to find information on good shell scripting? |
| 20:35.26 | greycat | seven_six_two: huh? |
| 20:35.30 | greycat | mlots_: /topic #bash |
| 20:35.39 | Crell | nakor: Do you have udev installed? |
| 20:35.47 | j_k | sebas_: not really. |
| 20:35.57 | j_k | sebas_: why do you need to do this? |
| 20:35.58 | nakor | yes |
| 20:36.10 | EdibleText | !abs |
| 20:36.10 | dpkg | somebody said abs was a free graphical spreadsheet designed for Unix operating systems. see http://www.ping.be/bertin/abs.shtml. Advanced Bash Scripting Guide on linuxdoc.org, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 20:36.31 | seven_six_two | i did smart update, but i can't boot because initrd-tools is a bad version. i booted knoppix... chroot /mnt/hda2 and i can't run apt |
| 20:36.32 | mlots_ | Thanks |
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| 20:36.48 | sebas_ | j_k: i need to invetigate the integrity of the server's HD |
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| 20:37.04 | greycat | wasn't a very smart update, then, was it? |
| 20:37.15 | seven_six_two | my /usr is hda3 and my root is hda2 |
| 20:37.19 | nexuslab | hi. i have a big problem...after upgrading my precompiled kernel-image 2.6.11 |
| 20:37.30 | greycat | !debian kernel image |
| 20:37.30 | dpkg | <hexxeh|work> 99% of people in here who compile their own kernels are idiots, who don't know what they did, or did it badly. debian kernel images exist for a reason. |
| 20:37.33 | nexuslab | at reboot (i use grub) i have this: |
| 20:37.39 | nexuslab | http://trader.altervista.org/img.jpg |
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| 20:37.57 | seven_six_two | greycat, obviously. but i didn't write the software |
| 20:37.59 | j_k | sebas_: if something's fucked up, the kernel will tell you. Do you have any reason of doubting of your filesystem? |
| 20:38.00 | TwistedEmotions | liable: was woody using lilo or grub as default install or did it have both available? |
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| 20:38.01 | guruman | i had eth0:0 in my interfaces-file before for a local-lan ip, but now i have a secondary nic instead, so i replaced eth0:0 wirh eth1 and rebooted, eth1 works fine but there is still a eth0:0 when listing with ifconfig. how do i remove that one? |
| 20:38.04 | jethro | HAHA |
| 20:38.08 | Crell | nakor: You'll want to create a new file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ named "cardreader.rules" (or something). It should contain just the UDEV rules to set up your card reader. |
| 20:38.22 | Crell | Mine is one line: BUS="usb", SYSFS{serial}="0000224540", GROUP="disk" NAME{all\_partitions}="usbcard%n" |
| 20:38.34 | greycat | guruman: got the "auto eth0:0" too? |
| 20:38.43 | guruman | greycat yep |
| 20:38.44 | Crell | The serial number will be unique to your card reader. You could also use a model number. You'll need to figure out what those are for your particular reader. |
| 20:38.57 | sebas_ | j_k: for our tranquility |
| 20:39.00 | guruman | greycat and i replace that one too with eth1 instead |
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| 20:39.06 | quiet | what would be the best way to disable GDM for CLI login?? |
| 20:39.08 | nakor | will that be the same info as i get from usbview? |
| 20:39.31 | greycat | quiet: apt-get remove gdm |
| 20:39.38 | greycat | quiet: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 20:39.39 | j_k | sebas_: well, wait 3am then :-) |
| 20:39.40 | nexuslab | http://trader.altervista.org/img.jpg |
| 20:39.42 | quiet | lol... good point |
| 20:39.45 | nexuslab | help me!!! |
| 20:39.49 | jetscreamer | empty out /etc/X11/default-display-manager after you back it up |
| 20:39.57 | j_k | sebas_: also, if you're using LVM, maybe the snapshot stuff can help you |
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| 20:40.17 | FieldySnuts | !irritate nexuslab |
| 20:40.18 | dpkg | nexuslab: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd lol |
| 20:40.22 | Crell | nakor: Um, maybe? :-) There are tutorials on how to get the necessary info out of the sysfs system, which is itself more complicated than it should be. |
| 20:40.30 | FieldySnuts | oh my god, three !'s and everything |
| 20:40.44 | FieldySnuts | !medal nexuslab |
| 20:40.45 | greycat | the irritate command is *really* well written. |
| 20:40.51 | FieldySnuts | greycat: no doubt |
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| 20:41.43 | j_k | sebas_: did you mean the drive or the filesystem? |
| 20:41.55 | Crell | nakor: http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php A bit older, but most of it still applies. |
| 20:42.01 | seven_six_two | i can't seem to mount my /usr after doing chroot |
| 20:42.13 | nakor | thanks |
| 20:42.19 | greycat | well, this answers the question I had the other day. No, greycat, your rxvt -C does *not* work to intercept console error messages. |
| 20:42.34 | Crell | woah. The CSS for that page is missing. :-) |
| 20:42.51 | nakor | if i had a newer reader the umass driver woulda picked it up :( this has been a major headache |
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| 20:44.16 | toresbe | greycat: xrefresh! |
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| 20:44.51 | HelmutG | hi. i really need some help on debugging firefox and libc6-i686. (just tell me how). how to disable libc6-i686 just for firefox? and why does firefox work with LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.22? |
| 20:45.09 | Crell | umass? |
| 20:45.28 | Melior | someone can help me @ #flood |
| 20:45.50 | Melior | twistedblabla needed to go |
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| 20:45.58 | HelmutG | what exactly does LD_ASSUME_KERNEL do on debian and why doesn't apropos tell? |
| 20:46.12 | Melior | it says edit your lilo.conf !! |
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| 20:46.25 | Melior | but i dont know WHAT to change |
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| 20:48.13 | Crell | Bah. Why does this always happen? |
| 20:48.54 | Crell | lilo won't run because I have an sda device in /proc/partitions that's not in /dev/. I don't know why, since my only sdX devices are USB psuedo-SCSI, and none of them are mounted atm. |
| 20:49.06 | Crell | I get this all the time. Any idea what could be the cause? |
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| 20:49.29 | HelmutG | Crell: no, but how you can fix. ;) |
| 20:50.00 | guruman | how do i remove eth0:0? removeing it from interfaces and a reboot doesnt do the trick, what do i do wrong? |
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| 20:50.17 | Crell | HelmutG: How, other than just deleting the offending lines from /proc/partitions? |
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| 20:50.38 | Crell | The error message is: Name change: '/dev/sda' -> '/dev/sda' Fatal: open /dev/sda: No such file or directory |
| 20:50.54 | HelmutG | Crell: you can't edit /proc/partitions. i'd suggest to create /dev/sda. |
| 20:51.25 | Crell | ... create a device that doesn't exist? That seems like, you know, a rather silly and hacked-up way of handling, uh, anything. |
| 20:51.46 | whitetiger | Hi, I just came to visit the debian people... |
| 20:51.59 | seven_six_two | i updated(broke) my system (debian sarge) and now i have to upgrade initrd-tools or it won't boot. i booted knoppix and did chroot /dev/hda2 which went fine, but i can't mount my hda3(usr) because it says it won't mount block device read only. without /usr i can't run apt. any ideas? |
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| 20:53.13 | HelmutG | seven_six_two: if you are using knoppix, try mounting somewhere other than the suggestions of knoppix because these don't permit device access and suid programs. |
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| 20:53.36 | liable | seven_six_two: how did you mount it? |
| 20:53.38 | seven_six_two | HelmutG, before my chroot? |
| 20:53.43 | HelmutG | Sinisterr: yes. |
| 20:53.52 | HelmutG | Sinisterr: sorry. wrong tab. |
| 20:53.55 | HelmutG | seven_six_two: yes. |
| 20:54.02 | seven_six_two | double clicked on the icon on knoppix desktop mounted it |
| 20:54.13 | HelmutG | seven_six_two: mount it manually (some where else) |
| 20:54.17 | seven_six_two | ok |
| 20:54.26 | sebas_ | j_k: the drive |
| 20:54.56 | Melior | pfew still booting |
| 20:54.57 | liable | umount it, then try 'mount -a' from the chroot |
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| 20:55.33 | seven_six_two | device is busy... |
| 20:55.35 | Melior | WTF |
| 20:55.56 | Melior | eth0 no such device yeah my ass |
| 20:56.08 | whitetiger | bye.. |
| 20:56.30 | Melior | DAMN |
| 20:56.34 | Melior | now im doomed |
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| 20:56.52 | rr72 | !seen ficionion |
| 20:56.52 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'ficionion', rr72 |
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| 20:57.01 | rr72 | !seen fixinion |
| 20:57.01 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'fixinion', rr72 |
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| 20:57.05 | Lanz | Hey what's the nvidia one liner? can someone gimme it>? |
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| 20:57.21 | rr72 | bob2~ i had the lilo problem |
| 20:57.22 | jethro | Lanz: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 20:57.32 | ticktoc | quickie.. i just noticed i don't have 'mail' command? Synaptic shows 'mailx' application but to install it I also have to install exim4. I don't want to do that cause I've installed postfix for my mail server.. so.. where/how do I get my cli 'mail' command back?? |
| 20:58.02 | Melior | DAMN help me :@ i updated the kernel now my PMCIA NOT WORKING??? |
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| 20:58.21 | jethro | ticktoc: how did you install postfix? |
| 20:58.30 | ticktoc | from synaptic |
| 20:58.30 | rr72 | apt=get |
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| 20:58.37 | guaranajul | yo everybody |
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| 20:58.51 | ticktoc | it's on dvd1 |
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| 20:59.07 | Melior | Great Debian update your kernel and your pmcia wont work yay ! |
| 20:59.14 | guaranajul | i am novice and i try Agnula |
| 20:59.19 | rcon | Hi, does sarge netinst cd use grub as the default bootloader? |
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| 20:59.27 | Crell | rcon: Yes. |
| 20:59.38 | rcon | Thanks. |
| 20:59.45 | Melior | crell |
| 20:59.46 | guaranajul | but i can 't see my windows part |
| 20:59.47 | joel_ | Melior: use hotplug |
| 20:59.50 | Melior | ? |
| 20:59.53 | Melior | HOW |
| 20:59.56 | guaranajul | yes it use grub |
| 21:00.11 | Melior | i updated the kernel REBOOT and pmcia DEAD |
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| 21:00.24 | rr72 | is sarge stable codename? |
| 21:00.25 | joel_ | Melior: when you install a new kernel, the modules don't get loaded, hotplug loads modules for you |
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| 21:00.40 | Melior | ok tell me please how to use that |
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| 21:01.05 | joel_ | Melior: just apt-get install hotplug and reboot |
| 21:01.09 | dondelelcaro | rr72: no. what is currently stable is codenamed woody. |
| 21:01.09 | Crell | Melior: |
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| 21:01.21 | Melior | joel |
| 21:01.26 | rr72 | so why did i upgrade to sarge? |
| 21:01.29 | rr72 | then what is sid? |
| 21:01.30 | ticktoc | issue2: grub did not install loader for my w2k partition on /dev/hdc although it did find and put the partitions on that drive in fstab.. |
| 21:01.32 | Melior | i think it needs internet for it |
| 21:01.33 | peterS | rr72: sid is unstable |
| 21:01.36 | dondelelcaro | rr72: sid is unstable, sarge is testing. |
| 21:01.39 | rr72 | oh |
| 21:01.39 | peterS | rr72: sarge is stable as of a couple weeks from now |
| 21:01.53 | peterS | well, with a great deal of luck |
| 21:01.55 | dondelelcaro | s/is/will be/; s/as of/in/; |
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| 21:02.11 | Melior | joel |
| 21:02.16 | peterS | I suppose that constitutes chicken-counting |
| 21:02.17 | dondelelcaro | assuming more people help squash the remaining RC bugs, and the new RC bug filing rate goes down... |
| 21:02.20 | joel_ | Melior: boot with the old kernel then, install hotplug, reboot the new kernel |
| 21:02.27 | Melior | how |
| 21:02.29 | Melior | ? |
| 21:02.39 | joel_ | hold shift during bootup, if you use lilo |
| 21:02.44 | Melior | k |
| 21:03.15 | rr72 | joel_~ howcome? |
| 21:03.20 | Melior | linuxold? |
| 21:03.23 | rr72 | oh |
| 21:03.25 | rr72 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:03.29 | joel_ | Melior: yea |
| 21:04.15 | Melior | no such device |
| 21:04.16 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: hum. i think i found something like a rc bug, but i can't isolate it. do you know how to debug a problem occuring only when libc6-i686 is installed? |
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| 21:04.31 | ticktoc | guaranajul: did you get any help? |
| 21:04.33 | davuty | hi |
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| 21:04.53 | Melior | i see an error |
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| 21:04.58 | davuty | I have a laptop which has i915gm chipset video controller |
| 21:05.02 | kaiowa | how could i send a netsend message to a windows users???? |
| 21:05.09 | davuty | xfree86 does not seem to support it |
| 21:05.10 | dondelelcaro | HelmutG: well, any problem occuring only with libc6-i686 isn't likely to be RC |
| 21:05.16 | Crell | HelmutG: So how do I create a fake sda node in order to get lilo to shut up and behave? |
| 21:05.20 | davuty | hwhat should I do with it |
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| 21:05.32 | Melior | starting pmcia services: module directory /lib/modules/2.2.20/pmcia |
| 21:05.41 | Melior | not found |
| 21:05.48 | joel_ | did you delete that directory? |
| 21:05.53 | Melior | no way |
| 21:06.10 | psycose | hi |
| 21:06.14 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: why? isn't libc6-i686 included in sarge? |
| 21:06.29 | HelmutG | Crell: using makedev or mknod |
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| 21:06.40 | dondelelcaro | HelmutG: it probably is a bug though... you'll need to explain more about what is happening. |
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| 21:07.00 | liable | Melior: is that your old kernel or new one? |
| 21:07.06 | Melior | i think old? |
| 21:07.09 | Melior | how do i see it |
| 21:07.16 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: i observed temporary deadlocks in firefox, smbc and other applications when running libc6-i686 on a 2.6 kernel. |
| 21:07.20 | psycose | i'm trying to recompile the libsafe strnlen function with Debian GNU/linux Sid, gcc 3-3, i got the following error : error: can't find a register in class `DREG' while reloading `asm', i can paste the function body in #paste ... thanks |
| 21:07.34 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: setting LD_ASSUME_KERNEL to 2.4.x removes the problem. |
| 21:07.35 | Crell | What settings do I want for mknod? I've not used it before3. |
| 21:07.36 | Melior | well how can i see my current kernel |
| 21:07.36 | joel_ | Melior: nevermind.. reboot to the new (Linux) kernel and load the modules manually to get internet |
| 21:07.43 | Melior | k |
| 21:07.45 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: that's almost all i know. |
| 21:07.54 | Melior | need to press shift again? |
| 21:07.59 | nomed^ | HelmutG, it happened to me also ... |
| 21:08.03 | dondelelcaro | HelmutG: ok... those are probably bugs, but not RC. |
| 21:08.06 | joel_ | Melior: no |
| 21:08.10 | Melior | ok |
| 21:08.14 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: ok. |
| 21:08.20 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: how to debug then? ;) |
| 21:08.31 | BucWheat | ughh why does my bootsplash breifly show silent mode then quickly turn to verbose mode? |
| 21:08.32 | nomed^ | HelmutG, but i feel it' s related to jave mainly |
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| 21:08.39 | nomed^ | s/jave/java |
| 21:08.40 | dondelelcaro | HelmutG: what type of deadlock? |
| 21:08.58 | rr72 | anyone know how to fix lilo? |
| 21:09.04 | tarzeau | helix: bom dia |
| 21:09.12 | tarzeau | bob2: how's it in .au? |
| 21:09.13 | Crell | rr72: I'm trying to fix my own. :-) |
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| 21:09.17 | HelmutG | nomed^: no. |
| 21:09.23 | K_Dallas | CDROM mounting: there is a new way to mount the CD drives which is kind of dynamic or so. I have unfortunately installed and activate it and right now i have to mount the drives manually as it deletes /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1. What is the fix for that? Should i remove those lines from my fstab or ...? thanks |
| 21:09.23 | rr72 | Crell~ li error? |
| 21:09.27 | tarzeau | bob2: btw how hard would it be for me to get an .au domain? and the price? |
| 21:09.46 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: programs seem to sleep for a certain amount of time. this scales from 10 seconds to five minutes. |
| 21:09.49 | useruser | rr72: li meant (for me) that linux didn't understand my ata100 controller |
| 21:09.58 | Melior | ok |
| 21:10.00 | Melior | what now |
| 21:10.02 | Melior | booted |
| 21:10.03 | rr72 | oh |
| 21:10.03 | enyc | k_dall: im not sure what this menchanism you are referring to is! |
| 21:10.05 | useruser | rr72: kernel patch fixed it. this was a while ago though |
| 21:10.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: according to !debstats you're on top! |
| 21:10.15 | rr72 | i have sarget ho |
| 21:10.19 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: straceing them showes up a futex(..., FUTEX_WAIT call. |
| 21:10.22 | Crell | rr72: Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. Name change: '/dev/sda' -> '/dev/sda' Fatal: open /dev/sda: No such file or directory |
| 21:10.38 | K_Dallas | enyc: i upgraded a while ago and it installed something which dynamically mounts the cd drives, cannot remember the name of the package |
| 21:10.38 | Crell | I don't have an sda, that's true. My ZIP drive is sde, and my USB card reader is sdc. (Why? Ask udev.) |
| 21:10.44 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: it sometimes helps killing the program with SIGCONT a lot of times. |
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| 21:10.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: you slackers! |
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| 21:11.00 | tarzeau | !dict slackers |
| 21:11.01 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: any idea? |
| 21:11.02 | dpkg | could not find definition for slackers |
| 21:11.03 | Melior | joey? what now |
| 21:11.03 | nomed^ | HelmutG, have you ever had this? /lib/libc.so.6: Permission denied |
| 21:11.07 | dondelelcaro | HelmutG: hrm... interesting |
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| 21:11.11 | Crell | I'm sure rebooting would fix it, but I figure making sure lilo works should be done before rebooting. :-) |
| 21:11.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: for something more interesting ... !seen abrotman |
| 21:11.15 | enyc | 'I've got sda and sdb and sdc and scd0 and scd1 ;-) |
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| 21:11.22 | tarzeau | !seen abrotman |
| 21:11.23 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (7h 45m 5s). Has said a total of 101566 messages. Is idling for 9s |
| 21:11.30 | tarzeau | !seen tarzeau |
| 21:11.30 | dpkg | tarzeau is currently on #debian (1d 6h 56m 27s) #debian-devel (1d 6h 56m 27s). Has said a total of 25890 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 21:11.35 | joel_ | Melior: you need to load modules for pmcia and your network card, try modconf as root and try to locate the modules |
| 21:11.44 | HelmutG | nomed^: no, what about giving permission using chmod? ;) |
| 21:11.48 | tarzeau | !hehstats |
| 21:11.48 | dpkg | total count of heh on #debian: 19845 |
| 21:11.48 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: yes. |
| 21:11.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: sad eh ? |
| 21:12.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: you've got no live! you IRC ADDICT! |
| 21:12.04 | nomed^ | HelmutG, that happens when no LD_ASSUME_KERNEL to 2.4.x .. |
| 21:12.09 | tarzeau | s,live,life |
| 21:12.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: life :) |
| 21:12.17 | dodecahedron | Anyone familiar with the common mutt problem of not being able to read /var/mail/<user> spool by default with it ? Mutt says : /var/mail/<user> is not a mailbox but it most certainly is. |
| 21:12.21 | Melior | OMG |
| 21:12.21 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: i don't expect anyone to know what the problem causes. i only expect someone to know how to debug. |
| 21:12.21 | dodecahedron | |? |
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| 21:12.24 | Melior | its an empty menu |
| 21:12.27 | Melior | :@ |
| 21:12.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: you'd have a bubbly brain too, after playing 2 hours http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 21:12.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have no idea how that happend .. i don't think i spend that much time here .. and certainly think i speak less than some of the other regulars |
| 21:12.32 | dodecahedron | s/|//g |
| 21:12.35 | dondelelcaro | HelmutG: well, I'd file a bug against libc6-i686, but at severity important... and attach as much of the debugging information you've currently got. |
| 21:12.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: but hey it was fun! 9 players |
| 21:12.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's just not that good .. sorry :( |
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| 21:12.58 | dondelelcaro | HelmutG: the best thing I can think of is to rebuild libc6-i686 without stripping it, and make the application that locks dump core |
| 21:13.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: i tried it |
| 21:13.01 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: that's not much. how can i get further information? |
| 21:13.05 | joel_ | Melior: it seems something is seriously wrong with your /lib/modules directory.. |
| 21:13.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you enjoy it. i sometimes do. ever play nethack? |
| 21:13.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: a little .. try enigma :) |
| 21:13.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: i hate enigma |
| 21:13.26 | rr72 | Crell~ i have dueal boot |
| 21:13.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: too hard? :) |
| 21:13.29 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: hum. any easier way? |
| 21:13.30 | Melior | 3dirs in it |
| 21:13.35 | rr72 | its a different setup |
| 21:13.40 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: or anything i can do *before* compiling? |
| 21:13.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: i have 5 cm horizontally and 3 cm vertically to move my mouse |
| 21:13.48 | dodecahedron | Anyone familiar with the common mutt problem of not being able to read /var/mail/<user> spool by default with it ? Mutt says : /var/mail/<user> is not a mailbox but it most certainly is ? |
| 21:13.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: you guess... |
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| 21:13.56 | dondelelcaro | HelmutG: not really. You're going to need an unstripped libc6-i686 to make heads or tails of it anyway. |
| 21:14.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. i play on my laptop with a trackpoint .. it makes it very easy :) |
| 21:14.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can't stand tickling balls |
| 21:14.19 | Melior | crap shit |
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| 21:14.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: good to know |
| 21:14.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: womenstuff, you know |
| 21:14.27 | DB_ | When copying a partition with parted, will file fragmentation copy over as well? |
| 21:14.30 | Melior | 3dirs in /lib/modules |
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| 21:14.39 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: i think submitting a bug is better then since 266mhz isn't very fast. |
| 21:14.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm not a super big game person .. |
| 21:14.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: but enigma was captivating for a while |
| 21:15.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: check it, http://bub-n-bros.sf.net let's play one level, very easy |
| 21:15.10 | rr72 | what is locked on a floppy? |
| 21:15.18 | rr72 | open or closed? |
| 21:15.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: four keys needen, left,right,jump and shoot-bubble |
| 21:15.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm at work again .. you always ask me to play while i'm at work :) |
| 21:15.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: when are you out of work? |
| 21:15.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: and by the time i get home . you're snoozing |
| 21:15.47 | dondelelcaro | HelmutG: http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=259362 sounds similar, though... |
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| 21:15.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: and when you're home, i'm at work |
| 21:15.51 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'll be home in about 2 hours more or less :) |
| 21:15.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: oyu work late nights ? |
| 21:16.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm no table dancer if you mean that |
| 21:16.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's ok . i'm sure toresbe wouldn't mind seeing a show |
| 21:16.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: he's blind? |
| 21:16.43 | ninja_ | hmm, had second sata WD caviar die on me. any suggestions for a good, quiet and reliable sata drive? |
| 21:16.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: heh |
| 21:17.30 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: one difference is striking: firefox and smbc both return after some time (most often withing 5 minutes). |
| 21:17.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you play with jharrison ? |
| 21:17.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: he missed all the fun |
| 21:18.00 | rr72 | how do u formaat flopy to ms-dos? |
| 21:18.01 | Lee__ | what kernel options do I have to disable to get rid of the initrd dependence? It's for a UML kernel. |
| 21:18.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: but we were 9 persons (9 dragons ;) |
| 21:18.12 | EdibleText | !mformat |
| 21:18.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: and it was so damn funny, i got tears |
| 21:18.25 | dondelelcaro | HelmutG: yeah... *shrug* libc6 bugs aren't really my thing. The maintainers should be able to help you out, though. |
| 21:18.29 | EdibleText | !info mformat |
| 21:18.30 | rr72 | !msformat |
| 21:18.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know, you get the bananas, and then die, the banans fly around, the other 8 move to it like it was a magnet |
| 21:18.42 | tarzeau | and they die,a nd more bananas and bonuses fly around it's crazy |
| 21:18.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: heh .. |
| 21:18.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: like a drunken orgy eh ? |
| 21:18.50 | EdibleText | rr72, i beleive its called dos-tools |
| 21:18.55 | rr72 | i have it |
| 21:18.57 | EdibleText | !info dos-tools |
| 21:18.58 | Melior | i thougt gentoo sucks but debian just deletes my modules? |
| 21:18.58 | rr72 | i think |
| 21:19.10 | john | What's a good cdripper? |
| 21:19.12 | liable | !info dos-utils |
| 21:19.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's good after a day of fixing 600 files on mac os with filenames consisting /, ? and * |
| 21:19.16 | dondelelcaro | john: jack |
| 21:19.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: sed ? |
| 21:19.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: nope |
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| 21:19.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: there's / in the filenames |
| 21:19.31 | TheGrudge_ | john: grip |
| 21:19.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: keyboard ? |
| 21:19.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: in the shell it's shown as ":" |
| 21:19.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: don't ask. |
| 21:19.40 | abrotman | yay |
| 21:19.44 | john | okay |
| 21:19.45 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: thanks very much for your help. |
| 21:19.46 | john | what i meant to say was |
| 21:19.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you punish the infidel ? |
| 21:19.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: i hate apple. and mac. and its users |
| 21:19.50 | john | a good cd ripper, with GUI :) |
| 21:19.51 | EdibleText | rr72, mtools |
| 21:19.52 | tarzeau | HILARIOUS |
| 21:20.01 | dondelelcaro | HelmutG: np... sorry I couldn't give you more information there |
| 21:20.02 | TheGrudge_ | again, GRIP |
| 21:20.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: i've told my users to stop putting spaces in filenames |
| 21:20.20 | rr72 | mformat? |
| 21:20.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: they only half heeded me |
| 21:20.24 | Melior | joey can i solve this damnit |
| 21:20.26 | anthonynunez | whats the command to apt-get nvidia? |
| 21:20.33 | tarzeau | anthonynunez: apt-get moo |
| 21:20.35 | rr72 | lmao |
| 21:20.35 | abrotman | !tell anthonynunez about nvidia one liner |
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| 21:20.58 | EdibleText | rr72, apt-get install mtools; mformat |
| 21:21.09 | rr72 | its on my SuSE box |
| 21:21.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: i wish the weather would get better |
| 21:21.19 | rr72 | this is so debian is fixed |
| 21:21.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: let me show you my forecast |
| 21:21.23 | rr72 | i have it already |
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| 21:21.42 | glick | excuse me how do i make my login manager xdm instead of the default gdm? |
| 21:21.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USPA1858.html .. now please .. try not to laugh |
| 21:21.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: and i don't live in Seattle |
| 21:22.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: HAHA |
| 21:22.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: thanks, that makes me feel really good |
| 21:22.16 | TheGrudge_ | glick: update-alternatives --config xdm ?? something like that |
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| 21:22.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: and if you click the extended forecast .. it continues for 4 more days |
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| 21:22.35 | Lee__ | did that dude just complain that #debian is too Debian fixed? |
| 21:22.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: cracks me uop |
| 21:22.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: not funny ... i like sunshine |
| 21:23.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: i have a lamp that looks like a sun, want me to ship it to you? |
| 21:23.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: nah .. that's ok .. just sucks .. it will be cloudy for 10 days .. yay |
| 21:23.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you have a sea or lake nearby? |
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| 21:23.47 | Melior | crap debian |
| 21:23.53 | tarzeau | !eat Melior |
| 21:23.58 | Melior | update kernel and bye modules |
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| 21:24.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm about 100 miles from Atlantic Ocean .. but the jetstream comes from the south mostly |
| 21:24.02 | Melior | blaat |
| 21:24.05 | Lee__ | awesome! |
| 21:24.32 | Lee__ | abrotman: nyc caught some of that over the weekend. It was rad. |
| 21:24.44 | abrotman | Lee__: rain? |
| 21:24.58 | chealer | when using make config on a fresh kernel source tree, how can I start with the default used by stock kernels? |
| 21:25.07 | Lee__ | yeah, like sudden massive downpour. I was running away from it on my bike. |
| 21:25.09 | chealer | s/default/defaults |
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| 21:25.39 | BehnaM | hi every body |
| 21:25.41 | maxxle | I have a dsl-flat that should stay connected all the time. Is it ok to configure it in /etc/ppp/options the option persist? Is this value for all dial-up connections the pppd manages? |
| 21:25.46 | wwallace | does anyone play with xmame? |
| 21:25.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: tell me about the exciting things of a day of yours |
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| 21:26.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: i spent today mucking with Gimp. Coding in RepLang .. and now fixing a crashy samba server .. isn't that fun ? |
| 21:26.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: gimp 2.x i hope? |
| 21:26.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. and dpkg hung on our webserver while doing an upgrade :) |
| 21:26.31 | Space_NL | hi .. i just told apt to install postfix on a sarge box .. but it sells me to install 1 and to remove 1 package, how can i see what it wants to remove ? |
| 21:26.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: never heard replang. but yeah we've got also broken samba crap (and clients) |
| 21:26.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: yeah .. but win32 .. too lazy to reboot and the replang crap is windows only |
| 21:26.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: stable or better? |
| 21:26.52 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: the only problem with reporting a bug is reading the outstanding buglist in order to not submit one twice. it's just tooo long. %) |
| 21:26.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: dunno .. it only crashes on sunday :) |
| 21:27.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't like being callled in |
| 21:27.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'd change the system date ;) |
| 21:27.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's not nice :) |
| 21:27.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: to jump from friday to monday |
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| 21:27.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: is your samba on sarge ? |
| 21:27.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: freebsd and stable |
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| 21:28.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. cute |
| 21:28.07 | wintix | heh |
| 21:28.09 | tarzeau | woody, we only run woody , i'm the exception |
| 21:28.23 | rr72 | i have sarge now |
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| 21:28.32 | rr72 | updated last night |
| 21:28.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. i put new machines up with sarge . thinking it would go stable a year ago .. |
| 21:28.43 | rr72 | tho it needs a boot disk |
| 21:28.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: obviously i was wrong :) |
| 21:29.02 | maxxle | abrotman: But now you will get stable very soon ;) |
| 21:29.19 | BehnaM | who can tel me how to install gtk+.tar.gz in my debian |
| 21:29.23 | abrotman | maxxle: great .. i've only been running it on all but two machines now for quite some time :) |
| 21:29.23 | rr72 | will we have to update then? |
| 21:29.34 | anthonynunez | how much more unstabe is testing compared to the unstable version(sid?) |
| 21:29.35 | rr72 | lmao |
| 21:29.42 | tarzeau | anthonynunez: not at all |
| 21:29.45 | rr72 | BehnaM~ lmao |
| 21:29.51 | abrotman | anthonynunez: testing is supposed to be more stable than unstable |
| 21:30.05 | anthonynunez | tarzeau: Is there a difference in performance? |
| 21:30.08 | Melior | DAMN HELP ME |
| 21:30.12 | wintix | unstable ist relatively stable, too |
| 21:30.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: heh. we can autoinstall the clients (fully non-interactive ;) |
| 21:30.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: sarge too, now |
| 21:30.26 | simonrvn | !help Melior |
| 21:30.30 | tarzeau | Melior: BUT DAMN WHY? |
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| 21:30.39 | Melior | is it normal that that the /lib/modules is empty |
| 21:30.44 | tarzeau | anthonynunez: neither |
| 21:30.44 | Melior | and has only sub dirs |
| 21:30.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you tell joey yet? |
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| 21:30.48 | tarzeau | Melior: no |
| 21:30.51 | glick | hmm i dont think xdm is installed by default on a debian desktop? |
| 21:30.55 | abrotman | !irritate Melior |
| 21:30.56 | dpkg | Melior: hi every1 how can I make my lindows werkz lol |
| 21:30.59 | Melior | its han dir 2.2.20 |
| 21:30.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: didn't you send a DWN entry? |
| 21:31.03 | anthonynunez | tarzeau: Do you run unstable? |
| 21:31.08 | Crell | Hm. I have this problem with lilo all the time. Would I be better switching to grub? |
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| 21:31.09 | tarzeau | anthonynunez: sure, telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 21:31.18 | Lee__ | Crell: yes |
| 21:31.50 | Crell | Would just apt-get install grub handle switching over to grub cleanly? |
| 21:31.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: a long time ago |
| 21:31.56 | Crell | Then reinstall the new kernel package. |
| 21:32.07 | Melior | well can someone tell me how to copy stuff from /lib/modules/2.2.20 to /lib/modules |
| 21:32.15 | tarzeau | Melior: i'd use mc |
| 21:32.30 | simonrvn | wtf, you can't use cp -a? |
| 21:32.35 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i can |
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| 21:32.43 | Melior | i cant acces internet |
| 21:32.45 | Melior | so please? |
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| 21:32.47 | simonrvn | not you dear |
| 21:33.08 | liberion | Melior, do you have ehternet or modem? |
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| 21:33.13 | maxxle | Melior: But you know what you are trying? |
| 21:33.25 | Melior | modules fucked up thnxs to new kernel |
| 21:33.32 | tarzeau | Melior: your kernel? |
| 21:33.33 | Melior | so need to fix it' |
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| 21:33.39 | Melior | updated to 2.6 |
| 21:33.41 | Melior | i think |
| 21:33.45 | Melior | rebooted |
| 21:33.47 | Melior | and pmcia dead |
| 21:33.48 | EdibleText | !pal Melior |
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| 21:33.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: YAY :) |
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| 21:33.59 | Melior | not funny |
| 21:34.03 | tarzeau | Melior: yes it is |
| 21:34.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: heh |
| 21:34.08 | tarzeau | Melior: since this is easy to fix |
| 21:34.09 | maxxle | it is |
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| 21:34.17 | Melior | well please explain it |
| 21:34.22 | simonrvn | wtf is telnet built against ssl 0.9.6? sheesh |
| 21:34.23 | tarzeau | Melior: got GRUB? |
| 21:34.24 | Melior | dont want to reinstall :( |
| 21:34.29 | tarzeau | simonrvn: openSSL? |
| 21:34.30 | Melior | lilo? |
| 21:34.40 | anthonynunez | what is the unstable version called in sources.list? |
| 21:34.41 | tarzeau | Melior: no lilo sucks |
| 21:34.45 | tarzeau | anthonynunez: unstable |
| 21:34.47 | simonrvn | yes |
| 21:34.50 | BehnaM | how can i get kernel source 2.6.11 with apt-get |
| 21:34.51 | Melior | well i have lilo i think |
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| 21:35.19 | Melior | behnam dont update yoour modules are fucked up when finished :P |
| 21:35.24 | anthonynunez | tarzeau: didnt like it for security |
| 21:35.30 | tarzeau | anthonynunez: sid? |
| 21:35.31 | chealer | BehnaM: you need sid sources |
| 21:35.36 | jasoncohen | should gnome-cups-manager automatically show remote printers? |
| 21:35.39 | tarzeau | anthonynunez: damn, let me quote it again |
| 21:35.48 | BehnaM | ok |
| 21:35.51 | tarzeau | anthonynunez: http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/article.php?thold=-1&mode=flat&order=1&sid=235#1538 |
| 21:35.59 | BehnaM | what is sid sources ? |
| 21:36.03 | kbs | I'm puzzled about what the 'size' entry that shows up under top. Looking at /proc/<pid>/status, it doesn't seem like the virtual process size. What does this entry mean? man top doesn't seem to have it |
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| 21:36.09 | z|bandito | hi |
| 21:36.14 | tarzeau | BehnaM: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 21:36.17 | Melior | tarzeau i did pressed SHIFT at boot and used old kernel |
| 21:36.21 | Melior | same problem |
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| 21:36.23 | tarzeau | Melior: smart |
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| 21:36.40 | Melior | how to fix it please explain |
| 21:36.47 | tarzeau | Melior: have no network? |
| 21:36.51 | Melior | no |
| 21:36.52 | Melior | dead |
| 21:36.58 | Melior | pmcia = dead |
| 21:37.00 | tarzeau | Melior: i would play nethack then |
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| 21:37.27 | chealer | BehnaM: do you know what's sid? |
| 21:37.29 | z|bandito | how do you mount a ntfs hdd in read/write mode please? i'm trying to help my friend.. her laptop won't boot. thanks :) |
| 21:37.38 | tarzeau | z|bandito: your kernel needs to support it |
| 21:37.45 | tarzeau | z|bandito: got a photo? |
| 21:37.50 | Melior | lol |
| 21:37.55 | z|bandito | heh |
| 21:37.57 | z|bandito | she's hot |
| 21:37.59 | z|bandito | =p |
| 21:38.02 | chealer | !tell z|bandito about ntfsrw |
| 21:38.03 | tarzeau | z|bandito: i mean teh laptop! |
| 21:38.09 | Melior | hehehe |
| 21:38.13 | z|bandito | lol ;) |
| 21:38.17 | liberion | z|bandito, on the line in /etc/fstab its umask=000 i think |
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| 21:38.28 | z|bandito | thanks |
| 21:39.01 | Melior | HOW DO I FIX THE MODULES |
| 21:39.05 | Melior | GRRR |
| 21:39.11 | simonrvn | with a pipe wrench |
| 21:39.14 | BehnaM | loool |
| 21:39.22 | chealer | Melior: give them more CAPS |
| 21:39.22 | Melior | nerds |
| 21:39.25 | jasoncohen | anyone know how to add a remote CUPS printer? |
| 21:39.53 | Crell | How do I tell the make-kpkg -created deb file to setup grub instead of lilo? I just rebuild the package and it's still trying to use lilo. Do I need to fully remove lilo in addition to installing grub? |
| 21:39.53 | jbmigel | is it possible to burn a cd .iso onto a dvd? I have no blank cd's left but i have dvd's?? |
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| 21:39.58 | maxxle | jasoncohen: try localhost:631 in your browser |
| 21:40.00 | TheGrudge_ | which NFS server is better? I'm running nfs-kernel-server, but every time I restart it, I have to wait 2 minutes before the directory is actually exported. is nfs-user-server faster? maybe my settings are bad? |
| 21:40.00 | TheGrudge_ | my exports: |
| 21:40.00 | TheGrudge_ | /mnt/media 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(sync,rw,all_squash,anonuid=1000,anongid=100) |
| 21:40.00 | TheGrudge_ | /var/www 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(sync,rw,all_squash,anonuid=1000,anongid=100) |
| 21:40.00 | simonrvn | Melior: idiot. you have no clue do you |
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| 21:40.04 | Crell | Or is there an update-alternatives -like thing I can use? |
| 21:40.10 | Melior | NO THATS WHY IM ASKING HERE |
| 21:40.12 | Melior | BAH |
| 21:40.23 | simonrvn | @tell Melior -about smart questions |
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| 21:40.32 | simonrvn | go read that. it'll help |
| 21:40.38 | liberion | Melior, do you still have old kernel? |
| 21:40.44 | simonrvn | at least it'll help getting you better help |
| 21:40.46 | scorphus | hello, does snort opens the TCP package? |
| 21:40.47 | Melior | i think yes |
| 21:40.54 | Melior | but when i boot that one |
| 21:40.56 | Melior | same crap |
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| 21:41.17 | liberion | Melior, whats you internet connection |
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| 21:41.22 | maxxle | Melior: btw you really still use a box with 2.2-kernel? |
| 21:41.23 | jasoncohen | maxxle, do you know the correct syntax for specifying the Location of remote printer? |
| 21:41.24 | z|bandito | can you just delete files on ntfs partitions? |
| 21:41.36 | homekneet | lilo2grub factoid - URL is dead :( |
| 21:41.48 | Melior | my internet why |
| 21:41.52 | Crell | homekneet: hm? |
| 21:41.58 | homekneet | !lilo2grub |
| 21:41.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lilo2grub is http://www.markybob.com/24misc/24/lilo2grub |
| 21:42.01 | homekneet | Try that URL |
| 21:42.02 | maxxle | jasoncohen: no I have to try it myself all the time I install a new one. |
| 21:42.05 | simonrvn | Melior: hint start pcmcia first, then network |
| 21:42.14 | Melior | pmcia gives errors |
| 21:42.14 | liberion | Melior, ethernet what is it so i can help you |
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| 21:42.23 | Melior | i use pmcia |
| 21:42.28 | Melior | but = dead |
| 21:42.32 | simonrvn | for some stupid reason debian *still* puts pcmcia after the network |
| 21:42.38 | liberion | Melior, did you build the kernel or apt-get it ? |
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| 21:42.44 | Melior | ap-get |
| 21:42.52 | Melior | i booted the old kernel |
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| 21:43.06 | Melior | 2.2.20 |
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| 21:43.13 | liberion | Melior, are you in the old kernel now ? |
| 21:43.18 | KursK | hargh, what an idiot...installed tv card in my little "server" but all forget to...how bring the sound on my desktop? =) any idea? |
| 21:43.34 | Melior | yeah i am |
| 21:43.44 | Crell | homekneet: Oh good. Yep, dead URL. Do you recall what was in it? :-) |
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| 21:43.50 | Melior | i get /lib/modules/pmcia not found on boot screen |
| 21:43.51 | liberion | Melior, to make sure run uname -r ok |
| 21:44.01 | Melior | 2.2.20 |
| 21:44.03 | Melior | it says |
| 21:44.10 | simonrvn | pcmcia, not pmcia |
| 21:44.14 | enyc | ~ 2.2.20 = default woody kernel |
| 21:44.18 | homekneet | No - I asked dpkg about factoids with grub in - since I'm migrating a box from lilo 2 - well - grub :) |
| 21:44.20 | Melior | i know |
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| 21:44.22 | simonrvn | and full of holes |
| 21:44.35 | Melior | thats why i updated it |
| 21:44.36 | liberion | Melior, ok what is the kernel you were gonna use ? |
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| 21:44.44 | Melior | 2.6 i think |
| 21:44.55 | maxxle | enyc: Isn't the default 2.4.18? |
| 21:45.00 | beardy | Melior: That's not possible on woody. Use the latest 2.4 |
| 21:45.02 | dabreegster | Hey. Quick bash-related question: (I'll try #bash in a minute) If I have something in file 'foo', how can I make every other file in that directory have the contents of 'foo'? |
| 21:45.05 | Melior | i changed it to |
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| 21:45.07 | Melior | testing |
| 21:45.13 | Melior | ;) |
| 21:45.24 | liberion | Melior, do you know the module name for your pcmcia device? |
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| 21:45.35 | Kjetil | any suggestions ? "/bin/sh: ./debian/rules: /usr/bin/make: bad interpreter: Permission denied" ( I am trying to compile the rt2400 driver on woody ) |
| 21:45.38 | Melior | how can i found out? |
| 21:45.39 | TheGrudge_ | ok I tried kernel-user-server, this is faster... exported in 3 seconds... |
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| 21:45.50 | simonrvn | Kjetil: chmod +x |
| 21:45.53 | beardy | dabreegster: man tee |
| 21:46.05 | liberion | Melior, well what is your pcmcia card your using? |
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| 21:46.09 | dabreegster | beardy: thanks |
| 21:46.20 | Kjetil | simonrvn: both rules and make have +x permissions |
| 21:46.21 | beardy | dabreegster: np |
| 21:46.35 | Melior | 3com |
| 21:46.51 | liberion | Melior, one moment checking |
| 21:46.52 | Melior | wtf |
| 21:46.55 | simonrvn | check the hash bang path for the rules file |
| 21:47.01 | Melior | pmcia is realy GONE |
| 21:47.01 | beardy | dabreegster: or you can write a small script to copy foo to all other files |
| 21:47.07 | Melior | out of the modules dir |
| 21:47.08 | Melior | :S |
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| 21:47.36 | Crell | homekneet: Ahhh... Great, so we're in the same boat. :-) |
| 21:47.45 | tarzeau | !pmcia |
| 21:47.54 | tarzeau | dpkg pmcia IT'S FUCKING PCMCIA |
| 21:47.59 | dabreegster | beardy: tee is great |
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| 21:48.50 | homekneet | Crell: Was hoping that an apt-get install grub would replace lilo - but - no. Bit risky I guess. I'm wondering about the /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz instructions at the moment |
| 21:49.01 | dondelelcaro | ah yes... pcmcia... the acronym that was so hard to properly pronounce that it's now called PC Card |
| 21:49.04 | Melior | OMG |
| 21:49.10 | Melior | i found the pcmcia map back |
| 21:49.29 | Melior | its not in 2.2.20 but in 2.2.20-idepci |
| 21:49.36 | Melior | ?:S |
| 21:49.50 | Crell | homekneet: I'll go google, let me know what you find out. :-) |
| 21:50.06 | rr72 | Crell~ keep me posted |
| 21:50.08 | homekneet | Crell: will do |
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| 21:50.17 | kg4wxw | Hello to all i have a non debian ? (Does any one know of a decent windows key logger?) sorry for saying the "W" word |
| 21:50.29 | rr72 | i did know one |
| 21:50.30 | liberion | Melior, try as root dhclient eth0 |
| 21:50.37 | Aradorn | lol |
| 21:50.41 | BehnaM | were can i finde macromedia flash not flash player |
| 21:50.43 | dondelelcaro | key logger? why would we care about tools that you're going to use to commit a felony? |
| 21:50.44 | tarzeau | kg4wxw: no. and nobody cares |
| 21:50.48 | Melior | ERROR |
| 21:50.51 | rr72 | u mean the editor |
| 21:50.57 | kg4wxw | non felony |
| 21:50.57 | Melior | no such device |
| 21:50.59 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i have one for linux x86, www.linuks.mine.nu/uberkey/ |
| 21:51.04 | Melior | liberaion |
| 21:51.10 | kg4wxw | legitimate purpose and thanks for the help genteklman |
| 21:51.13 | tarzeau | kg4wxw: can you read #debian ? |
| 21:51.15 | Melior | what is the file debian loads at booting |
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| 21:51.22 | dondelelcaro | right. |
| 21:51.26 | kg4wxw | yes and im a user also |
| 21:51.28 | Melior | so i can change the dir |
| 21:51.28 | tarzeau | kg4wxw: what legitimate purpose would that be? |
| 21:51.31 | homekneet | Crell: looks like it's a simple: grub-install /dev/...; update-grub - but the readme talks about /dev/hda - where /dev/hda is the device you boot from - trying to figure out if that wants the disk device or the partition device :) |
| 21:51.33 | simonrvn | channel name. debian. not windows. bye |
| 21:52.03 | Kjetil | kg4wxw: google motherfucker. Do you use it ? |
| 21:52.10 | kg4wxw | To all have a good day (thought linux users were helpfull) |
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| 21:52.19 | Crell | hehe. I just want make-kpkg's package to use grub and be done with it. It does on systems I installed from sarge, but this system began life as woody. |
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| 21:52.35 | dondelelcaro | right-i-o |
| 21:52.40 | simonrvn | not so you can log people's keystrokes and crack their accounts, no |
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| 21:52.50 | simonrvn | dumb fuck... |
| 21:53.00 | Melior | liberion. what is the file debian loads at startup |
| 21:53.09 | tarzeau | Melior: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 21:53.09 | homekneet | Crell: well - this is sid that started as woody and made it's way up. All I want is for lilo (std package install) to be replaced by grub (standard package install) |
| 21:53.19 | Melior | meh |
| 21:53.28 | cahoot | Crell: does /etc/kernel-img.conf exist? |
| 21:53.33 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i've used mine for a keyboard-web-cam |
| 21:53.44 | simonrvn | i should have @ff him/her, would've been funny see them get confused |
| 21:53.50 | liberion | Melior, hmm rc.sysinit im not sure i dont use debian i use slackware |
| 21:53.53 | Crell | cahoot: No, but there is a kernel-pkg.conf |
| 21:54.03 | BehnaM | bye al tanx for help |
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| 21:54.53 | simonrvn | tarzeau: sure. but you don't come into a channel and say "i need a keystroke logger for windows.. and oh, it's for legit reasons" and not give any |
| 21:55.00 | Melior | starting pcmcia services |
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| 21:55.07 | simonrvn | there ya go |
| 21:55.09 | Melior | ERROR module dir |
| 21:55.10 | liberion | Melior, just get the kernel image of old kernel and install it ny dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 21:55.11 | Melior | :P |
| 21:55.20 | Melior | look |
| 21:55.23 | simonrvn | Melior: might need to run depmod -Aa |
| 21:55.25 | tarzeau | simonrvn: no, i write my own ;) |
| 21:55.26 | graham__ | hey all... is there a reasonable way i can configure my system to allow non-root users to mount any ISO image of their choosing? (i don't mind if the mountpoint has to be predetermined.) |
| 21:55.28 | masoft | What's the gnome default VNC client ? |
| 21:55.36 | simonrvn | or not, if you install it via dpkg |
| 21:55.39 | tarzeau | masoft: they have their own? |
| 21:55.45 | simonrvn | tarzeau: :) |
| 21:55.50 | tarzeau | masoft: how many more bugs did they put in? |
| 21:55.58 | masoft | tarzeau, KDE has one :P |
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| 21:56.04 | tarzeau | masoft: so? |
| 21:56.11 | oneo | hey everyone - whenever my wireless network disconnects, i have to reboot my computer (i have an ifup wlan0 command in my startup scripts) because my machine is headless...anyone know of a way in debian to monitor the wireless connection and automatically reconnect whenever the connection is lost? |
| 21:56.20 | masoft | tarzeau, r u sure, u r with me ?!?! |
| 21:56.25 | tarzeau | !u |
| 21:56.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:56.25 | tarzeau | !r |
| 21:56.25 | dpkg | well, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 21:56.27 | liberion | Melior, the problem is that the module is not loaded and it not compiled into the kernel if you knew your pcmcia module name you could load it by modprobe |
| 21:56.29 | timbre | hi there! I'm trying to make some noise w/ cs 4614/22/24 . i got an error message that my soundcard isnt configured properly. i'm totally new to deb and no idea what to do. - google didn't help this time. (i run woodííy w/ default kernel 2.2.20-idepci) |
| 21:56.33 | tarzeau | masoft: a/s/l? |
| 21:56.34 | dabreegster | graham__: sudo |
| 21:56.41 | Melior | i need to copy the PCMCIA dir from /lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci to /lib/modules/2.2.20 |
| 21:56.45 | masoft | tarzeau, is it important for u ? :-? |
| 21:56.48 | Melior | so |
| 21:56.49 | tarzeau | !u |
| 21:56.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:56.52 | Melior | then it will work |
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| 21:56.59 | Melior | i dont know how to copy |
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| 21:57.01 | masoft | tarzeau, M from Dubai (UAE) |
| 21:57.11 | homekneet | !tell Crell about install grub |
| 21:57.23 | Melior | liberion you know how to copy a dir |
| 21:57.26 | Melior | ? |
| 21:57.33 | liberion | Melior, that may not work you need the find the pcmcia module name so you can load it by modprobe |
| 21:57.35 | tarzeau | !? |
| 21:57.49 | EdibleText | !copy |
| 21:57.54 | rr72 | !paste |
| 21:57.54 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 21:57.58 | EdibleText | !dir |
| 21:57.58 | dpkg | wrong OS, foo |
| 21:58.01 | Melior | well can i test it? |
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| 21:58.05 | Melior | with copying |
| 21:58.13 | rr72 | !ls |
| 21:58.13 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 21:58.14 | masoft | graham__, u can config /etc/fstab and write "defaults,user" in second tab for ur mount |
| 21:58.23 | rr72 | !unmount |
| 21:58.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unmount is how non-linux people spell "umount" |
| 21:58.27 | liberion | Melior, sure its your box |
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| 21:58.53 | Melior | how to copy dir to /lib/modules/2.2.20? |
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| 21:59.25 | tarzeau | 23:59 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from Melior: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
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| 21:59.30 | graham__ | masoft: Yeah but then I'd have to specify which image file to mount in fstab, and that's not what I want |
| 21:59.35 | EdibleText | Melior, man cp |
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| 21:59.49 | Ronin | tarzeau: that version means nothign, who doesn't cloak now a days |
| 22:00.19 | liberion | Melior, pcmcia_core i think |
| 22:00.21 | tarzeau | Ronin: you don't. so do i |
| 22:00.31 | Ronin | actually tarzeau i am :) although i do have scrollz installed |
| 22:00.46 | masoft | graham__, oh, so if you want use mount for variable things, it's not work ! did you test make "mount" SID ? (but I think it will not work :P ) |
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| 22:01.09 | Crell | homekneet: Thanks. That would be great, if I had a /usr/lib/grub/ directory. :-) |
| 22:01.24 | graham__ | masoft: I believe mount is SUID already -- but in any case I would not want to totally bypass ALL security on the "mount" command, obviously |
| 22:01.33 | lcore | apache2: I want to configure very similar virtualhosts. Is there a directive to clone vhost1 config and with only adding some directives produce vhost2 or do I have to repeat all vhost1 directives in vhost2 section? |
| 22:01.38 | homekneet | Crell: just found that too :( |
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| 22:02.07 | masoft | graham__, so I have no idea (if you find any way tell me to I know too ;) ) |
| 22:02.10 | simonrvn | lcore: no, it won't fetch the info from the first vhost. you have to replicate it, plus your changes |
| 22:02.38 | lcore | simonrvn, so there is no way to create sth like a vhost template? |
| 22:02.42 | EdibleText | Melior, you should install a newer kernel-image. cp'ing stuff in /lib/modules will not accomplish what it is [i think] you want to accomplish |
| 22:02.44 | simonrvn | lcore: if you want some options to be global, you stick it in the global section (i.e., not in a vhost) |
| 22:02.52 | simonrvn | lcore: sure |
| 22:03.01 | gteppel | I've created a init.d script (based on /etc/init.d/skelton) for a binary only package. Is there a way to suppress any output from the starting executable? When I start the program the init.d prints information out to the screen which I want to see, but once the actual executable is run there is other output I don't want... Any ideas? |
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| 22:03.35 | tarzeau | gteppel: all or nothing |
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| 22:03.45 | gteppel | tarzeau: ok thank you |
| 22:03.51 | simonrvn | make one, and then stick in some stuff you can just sed -e 's/@foo@/bar/g', or whatever means you want to do |
| 22:04.01 | masoft | anyone don't know about the Gnome VNC client ? |
| 22:04.09 | tarzeau | masoft: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 22:04.35 | nomed^ | masoft, i like vnc4viewer ... i think this is the name .. |
| 22:04.40 | masoft | tarzeau, it seem u r very genius :P |
| 22:04.46 | lcore | simonrvn, the thing is I want to publish /var/www/mysite both on 80 and 443. The config is very similar except for ssl directives. |
| 22:04.53 | tarzeau | masoft: u r very annoying |
| 22:04.57 | deadcat | anyone familiar with european history? i mean very familiar |
| 22:05.03 | tarzeau | deadcat: just ask |
| 22:05.08 | streuner | deadcat: why? |
| 22:05.19 | shingouz | deadcat: it was the butler |
| 22:05.20 | deadcat | final |
| 22:05.28 | streuner | deadcat: its a history of wars :-) |
| 22:05.35 | masoft | !slap tarzeau |
| 22:05.45 | tarzeau | !murder masoft |
| 22:05.49 | simonrvn | lcore: you *can* set up a file to have 2 vhosts, one for each port + ssl shit. just make sure that they match, as https requires its own IP per vhost |
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| 22:06.00 | shingouz | deadcat: try us out |
| 22:06.06 | deadcat | the assassination of the heir to the austro-hungarian throne in june 1914 proved to be the "catalyst for an eruption of discord that had simmered for serveral decades." how mght this be true? |
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| 22:06.18 | jhon | 2.6.8 |
| 22:06.24 | simonrvn | world war 1 |
| 22:06.37 | masoft | Do u know anyprogram like CPanel ? (except Webmin) |
| 22:06.50 | shingouz | afaik that was because there were no diplomatic excuses and other assorted shit involved, deadcat |
| 22:06.52 | simonrvn | that's how it started |
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| 22:06.54 | beardy | deadcat: how? well, it is.. google or go to the library? |
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| 22:07.24 | rr72 | whats does lilo 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 4 0 44 04 04 04 04 04 04 04 error mean? |
| 22:07.33 | deadcat | beardy: google just say ww1. i am suppose to write the aftermath from ww1 to the coldwar because of that incident. |
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| 22:07.43 | streuner | rr72: fscked lilo, just run lilo -v again |
| 22:07.44 | Crell | homekneet: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-grub.php |
| 22:07.46 | masoft | rr72, when u get this err ? when run lilo command ? |
| 22:07.48 | lcore | simonrvn, <quote>as https requires its own IP per vhost<unquote>. It doesn't I've just setup 2 ssl vhosts on single ip... or didn't I? |
| 22:07.51 | rr72 | no |
| 22:07.52 | ethics | ANYONE GOT A DUALBOOT SYSTEM RUNNING WITH GRUB AND 2K/XP? |
| 22:07.55 | ethics | bah caps |
| 22:07.56 | rr72 | when try to boot |
| 22:07.58 | tarzeau | !dict lilo |
| 22:08.00 | dpkg | Dictionary 'lilo' (4): 2. first-in first-out. ;; 220 aspen.miranda.org dictd 1.9.15/rf on Linux 2.4.27-2-k7 <auth.mime> <2375135.27979.1116886080@aspen.miranda.org> 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "lilo" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" lilo ;; 1. <operating system> Linux Loader. ;; (2001-03-26). |
| 22:08.02 | simonrvn | lcore: won't work |
| 22:08.03 | deckrider | ethics: yes |
| 22:08.11 | rr72 | ethics~ i almost have on on lilo |
| 22:08.15 | tarzeau | ethics: yes |
| 22:08.20 | rr72 | but lilo wont but |
| 22:08.23 | beardy | deadcat: To understand the bigger picture, you have to to go back to the late 1800:s, and read your way from there. |
| 22:08.26 | simonrvn | lcore: the ssl certs won't match up to the right vhost |
| 22:08.26 | rr72 | i use nt bootloader tho |
| 22:08.36 | deadcat | beardy: ok.. cool. |
| 22:08.45 | ethics | deckrider: tarzeau : does 2k have to be the primary master? |
| 22:08.46 | homekneet | Crell: cool |
| 22:08.47 | Hobart | deadcat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_World_War_I |
| 22:09.00 | deckrider | hi, anyone know of something I can use in my c program that is the equivalent of java's "native2ascii -reverse" |
| 22:09.05 | Hobart | And, of course, your history textbook. :) |
| 22:09.07 | tarzeau | ethics: no |
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| 22:09.09 | ethics | i have a 2k drive installed on a disk i want to add. |
| 22:09.12 | tarzeau | ethics: it's hda3 here |
| 22:09.13 | masoft | tarzeau, you can use /msg dpkg lilo instead of making room noisy with !lilo !!! anybody know what is lilo ... |
| 22:09.14 | homekneet | Crell: still wonder about "Using in place of /dev/hda the device that you boot from" - disk device or partition device? |
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| 22:09.27 | ethics | tarzeau, thats primary master.... |
| 22:09.30 | shingouz | the funniest thing about that assasination is that not even his own family came to pay their respect at the funeral, the archduke was so hated |
| 22:09.40 | tarzeau | ethics: ah |
| 22:09.48 | masoft | rr72, did u test grub ? |
| 22:09.49 | lcore | simonrvn, no unless I setup 2 certs matching 2 different domain names (vhost1.domain vhost2.domain) |
| 22:09.49 | deadcat | Hobart: thanks. |
| 22:09.56 | rr72 | masoft~ no |
| 22:09.57 | jhon | i'm Jedi |
| 22:09.59 | tarzeau | ethics: but i'm sure it also works otherwise, grub can do it imho |
| 22:10.04 | rr72 | don't have on debian |
| 22:10.06 | deckrider | ethics: mine is the primary first partition, and then I chain load the nt boot loader |
| 22:10.15 | simonrvn | lcore: i suggest you read the ssl bits in the apache docs |
| 22:10.16 | rr72 | what it the lba32 option? |
| 22:10.20 | rr72 | is it spelled right? |
| 22:10.23 | tarzeau | rr72: man lilo.conf |
| 22:10.26 | rr72 | !lba32 |
| 22:10.27 | masoft | rr72, it's low size, u can get from internet ! |
| 22:10.33 | streuner | !lba |
| 22:10.33 | dpkg | hmm... lba is Logical Block Addressing. or good bios informations at http://usuarios.intercom.es/ag0ny/msxdev.html |
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| 22:10.36 | beardy | !u |
| 22:10.36 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 22:10.42 | lcore | simonrvn, ok. Thanks anyway. Will do more reading... |
| 22:10.46 | tarzeau | masoft: actually i wanted the definition of Lilo |
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| 22:11.03 | Crell | homekneet: For lilo, device. It installs into the MBR. I'm not sure about grub, to be honest. Anyone else know? |
| 22:11.03 | ethics | tarzeau, deckrider hmm i have debian on my sata and then xp on the second sata but were istalled as independant systems now i need grub to chain to 2k loader |
| 22:11.13 | ethics | ahh well more research i guess |
| 22:11.39 | tarzeau | ethics: shouldn't be too hard, check map command |
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| 22:11.53 | ethics | Crell...grub can be done mbr or /boot....normally mbr |
| 22:12.01 | homekneet | Crell: I mean - here - lilo is in the MBR - / is /dev/hda2 (and boot is not a seperate partition). I'm guessing I want /dev/hda - but there's a vague feeling of maybe /dev/hda2 here that I'm not sure about |
| 22:12.24 | ethics | tarzeau, yeah ill have to ...dont suppose you can dump your /boot/grub/lst into flood or somewhere? |
| 22:12.28 | Crell | Ask ethics. :-) |
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| 22:12.35 | ethics | menu.lst i think it is actually |
| 22:12.43 | tarzeau | ethics: i got one at www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ but haven't run windows for ages |
| 22:12.59 | ethics | Crell, hehe just learning it myself hehe...just knew the answer for ya |
| 22:13.02 | masoft | Crell, grub-install /dev/hda (to mbr) or grub-install /dev/hda3 (boot partition) |
| 22:13.22 | ethics | tarzeau, thats prolly better as i can see why they do things hehe |
| 22:13.28 | guruman_ | heyi use framebuffer and got a res of 1024x768 and ls and mutt aso works fine, but when i type in the prompt (bash) it wont go to the end of the screen only to about 1/4 and then begin from the start (not on a new line). Can this be fixed? |
| 22:13.29 | masoft | Crell, (but of course /dev/... depends on your partitioning ;) ) |
| 22:13.39 | Crell | homekneet: I'm assuming that since the tutorial says "hda or whatever on your system" instead of "hda1 or whatever", that it means hda, not hda1. |
| 22:13.41 | deckrider | ethics: /usr/share/doc/grub contents have been very helpful to me, as well as reading the comments of /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:13.59 | rr72 | did u do a apt-get grub? |
| 22:14.18 | jasoncohen | i'm trying to add a remote CUPS printer in gnome-cups-manager but it doesn't seem to be working. is this the correct syntax for a remote cups printer - s this correct- ipp://jasonsdesktop/ipp/usb/lp0 ? |
| 22:14.23 | sbk | rr72: do you get an L 40 40, or actually a LILO 40 40 |
| 22:14.25 | homekneet | Crell: That and masoft's comment - I tried /dev/hda - it says "Installation finished. No error reported." |
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| 22:14.35 | ethics | deckrider, yeah i havent spent much time on it yet just thought id ask about the primary master thing as i read something about nt wanting it on a lilo page...it may be lilo specific |
| 22:14.39 | rr72 | sbk~ don't know |
| 22:14.44 | rr72 | i can check again |
| 22:14.47 | sbk | rr72: if it is the former, the error says "seek failure" |
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| 22:14.57 | sbk | rr72: is this off a floppy? Or HD? |
| 22:15.02 | rr72 | hd |
| 22:15.22 | deckrider | ethics: there is a way to do it in grub that seems easy with out much fiddling, but haven't actually used it myself |
| 22:15.37 | sbk | rr72: hm, interesting. Are you able to boot into the machine, and can you ensure your HD is still working? |
| 22:15.51 | sbk | rr72: and did you do anything different before you started seeing this error? |
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| 22:15.54 | rr72 | rescue disk |
| 22:15.59 | rr72 | yeah |
| 22:16.00 | jasoncohen | anyone know how to add a remote cups printer? |
| 22:16.05 | rr72 | im fiddling with lilo |
| 22:16.10 | rr72 | i get li error |
| 22:16.14 | rr72 | and lilo 90 90 |
| 22:16.19 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: i know it works |
| 22:16.27 | jasoncohen | tarzeau, how did you set it up |
| 22:16.33 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: i didn't ;) |
| 22:16.35 | masoft | jasoncohen, it's easy in KDE. do u use KDE or Gnome ? |
| 22:16.36 | jasoncohen | i don't know what the URI Line should be |
| 22:16.39 | ethics | deckrider np ill google a bit |
| 22:16.41 | jasoncohen | masoft, i use KDE |
| 22:16.56 | tarzeau | jasoncohen: actually i don't have a printer. and can't stand them |
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| 22:17.27 | masoft | jasoncohen, I tried it some times ago, I think there is a Print manager in kde |
| 22:17.33 | masoft | jasoncohen, did u find anything ? |
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| 22:17.44 | masoft | jasoncohen, that u can add hardware printers ... |
| 22:17.46 | sbk | rr72: ah, ok. Well, fiddle away :-) i'm sure there's something silly that you'll figure out soon enough |
| 22:17.49 | gteppel | Does -a|--startas option in start-stop-daemon allow you name what a process will be called when it is started? I'm kind of confused about that option |
| 22:18.00 | tarzeau | gteppel: you're not alone |
| 22:18.09 | rr72 | sbk~ i get l 90 90 90 90 |
| 22:18.14 | tarzeau | gteppel: i try to start all my stuff in screen -dmS |
| 22:18.15 | rr72 | what does taht mean? |
| 22:18.23 | tarzeau | rr72: lilo sucks hard |
| 22:18.28 | tarzeau | rr72: why don't you just install GRUB? |
| 22:18.41 | rr72 | i have it right now |
| 22:18.42 | tarzeau | rr72: GRUB is GNU. GNU is superior quality. |
| 22:18.45 | homekneet | Crell: going for a reboot - if it worked I'll be back in a sec ;) |
| 22:18.46 | anthonynunez | how do I find out the root= for grub if I can boot into the OS? |
| 22:18.48 | masoft | jasoncohen, where u can add hardware printer, there is a part u can add Remote printer |
| 22:18.54 | tarzeau | rr72: did you install it? |
| 22:18.59 | rr72 | no |
| 22:19.00 | jasoncohen | masoft, how do i run it in terminal as root? |
| 22:19.03 | tarzeau | rr72: you should |
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| 22:19.13 | masoft | tarzeau, Hurd is GNU, too !!! |
| 22:19.18 | rr72 | tarzeau~ is it easy to install? |
| 22:19.19 | tarzeau | masoft: i know |
| 22:19.19 | jasoncohen | i'll just check the command from my menu |
| 22:19.23 | tarzeau | rr72: yes |
| 22:19.32 | tarzeau | masoft: you run it too? |
| 22:19.36 | rr72 | tarzeau~ i don't want to screw up my main win2k hda |
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| 22:19.43 | Seb | rr72: that'd be bad |
| 22:19.46 | rr72 | debian is hdb |
| 22:19.54 | masoft | jasoncohen, you don't need run in terminal ! when u run in normal user, it will ask the SU password |
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| 22:20.27 | masoft | tarzeau, I have it in my VM machine |
| 22:20.33 | sbk | rr72: beats me. I'd google for that error code, or look in the user guide. |
| 22:20.37 | tarzeau | masoft: ah that's not fun |
| 22:20.47 | tarzeau | masoft: do you also have plan9 or OPENSTEP? |
| 22:20.56 | sbk | rr72: it looks like that might be something fubar'ed in the install, rather than a disk error per-se. lucky you |
| 22:21.26 | rr72 | tarzeau~ can i specify what boot sector? |
| 22:21.29 | deadcat | Hobart: that was a good link. thanks (= |
| 22:21.41 | tarzeau | rr72: there is only one of that |
| 22:21.54 | rr72 | no |
| 22:21.58 | deckrider | ethics: by the way, I think what you need is hide/unhide .. and the information can be found in 'info grub' not in /usr/share/doc/grub as I had earlier mentioned |
| 22:21.59 | rr72 | i have two |
| 22:22.01 | Hobart | deadcat: don't forget to check a few more sources, esp. incl. your textbook |
| 22:22.06 | masoft | tarzeau, no ! the reason that I have hurd is I'm working on developing this for embedded devices |
| 22:22.07 | tarzeau | rr72: two harddisks, yes |
| 22:22.19 | rr72 | tarzeau~ i have two boot sectors |
| 22:22.30 | rr72 | my main mbr |
| 22:22.32 | deadcat | Hobart: the only reasno i am going crazy is that i havnet been reading the textbook )=. |
| 22:22.33 | tarzeau | rr72: but pc bioses suck |
| 22:22.43 | rr72 | and the one on second hd |
| 22:22.45 | masoft | rr72, of course u can ! |
| 22:22.54 | ethics | deckrider, yeah im finding conf files with hide in them atm so i have a few things to try....although i think i need to change my win2k boot.ini file also as it has changed drive numbers etc |
| 22:22.54 | rr72 | <tarzeau> rr72: there is only one of that |
| 22:22.58 | tarzeau | rr72: can you easily select one of the both , or only one? |
| 22:23.15 | rr72 | im sticking with rescue disk |
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| 22:23.18 | rr72 | its fine |
| 22:23.20 | tarzeau | rr72: one per medium |
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| 22:23.37 | tarzeau | rr72: but on pc it makes not much sense, since most pc bioses just are cheap shit |
| 22:23.44 | timt | noob question: how do I install Dig? |
| 22:23.51 | deckrider | ethics: for better or worse, I tend to try to do everything on the linux side so as to make windows thinks its alone on the machine |
| 22:23.52 | rr72 | tarzeau~ i have 2 hds |
| 22:23.57 | rr72 | twit |
| 22:23.57 | tarzeau | rr72: so? |
| 22:24.05 | rr72 | go away |
| 22:24.06 | tarzeau | rr72: can you boot from both? |
| 22:24.14 | ethics | im sure when grub first installed it had a scanning for OS screen...was hoping to have a reconfigure type option |
| 22:24.15 | rr72 | go away |
| 22:24.21 | rr72 | im not messing with it |
| 22:24.39 | rr72 | ill only have to live with it untill i fix my mb |
| 22:24.44 | anthonynunez | how do I find out the root= for grub if I can boot into the OS? |
| 22:24.47 | deckrider | ethics: grub-install |
| 22:25.02 | rr72 | anthonynunez~ ur screwed if u forgot |
| 22:25.09 | tarzeau | !ur |
| 22:25.09 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 22:25.14 | rr72 | u could fuck everything up |
| 22:25.23 | rr72 | tarzeau~ i don't care |
| 22:25.26 | deckrider | ethics: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian has the install stuff |
| 22:25.35 | masoft | rr72, do u want to make ok ur mbr ? |
| 22:25.44 | anthonynunez | rr72: I didnt forget, I install 2.6.8 and it was supposted to like it did last install to change to "sdX" |
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| 22:26.00 | Shuddertrix | Ugh, now i read ur as clock :( |
| 22:26.00 | ethics | deckrider, cool ill have to go looking there tonight 8) |
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| 22:26.14 | ethics | work PCs atm so no way to test hehe |
| 22:26.17 | jasoncohen | masoft, it iddn't work |
| 22:26.40 | homekneet | Crell: grub-install /dev/hda it is :) |
| 22:26.47 | jasoncohen | ipp://192.168.0.4:631/ipp |
| 22:26.55 | masoft | jasoncohen, I had some idea but rr72 left room ! |
| 22:27.01 | Crell | homekneet: yay! |
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| 22:27.18 | Crell | Thanks. Now to see if I can do that and get the kernel installed properly in one fell swoop. Wish me luck! |
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| 22:27.37 | homekneet | Good luck |
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| 22:28.11 | gteppel | is it just me or is dpkg just a little sarcastic? |
| 22:28.24 | masoft | rr72, If ur MBR is not working correctly, I have an idea |
| 22:28.29 | dondelelcaro | gteppel: it's just you. |
| 22:28.32 | rr72 | it works |
| 22:28.38 | rr72 | everything is fine |
| 22:28.47 | homekneet | I reckon that the "install grub" factoid which refers to /usr/lib/grub which is not on sid at least should be replaced with a link to http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-grub.php - but I've no idea how to tell the bot :) |
| 22:28.48 | rr72 | windows boots and so does debian |
| 22:28.48 | masoft | rr72, so what's ur problem exactly ? |
| 22:28.57 | rr72 | lilo on debian |
| 22:29.06 | rr72 | i use a rescue disk |
| 22:29.09 | rr72 | its fine |
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| 22:29.21 | masoft | rr72, did u try "lilo" again ? |
| 22:29.32 | rr72 | ive tried it many times |
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| 22:29.39 | rr72 | and editted the file |
| 22:29.45 | deckrider | hi, anyone know of something I can use in my c program that is the equivalent of java's "native2ascii -reverse" |
| 22:29.48 | rr72 | linear and lba32 |
| 22:29.52 | rr72 | get bad errors |
| 22:30.04 | tarzeau | deckrider: what does n2a -r do? |
| 22:30.13 | rr72 | tarzeau~ trie it |
| 22:30.26 | rr72 | s/trie/try |
| 22:30.28 | Crell | Hm, I wonder why grub picked up the last dozen kernels I've run. Are they ALL still in /boot? |
| 22:30.29 | tarzeau | rr72: i don't have non-free shit |
| 22:30.41 | homekneet | Crell: Well - ls /boot :) |
| 22:30.44 | deckrider | tarzeau: it takes "unicode escapes" written entirely in ascii, and converts it to unicode |
| 22:30.50 | rr72 | good for u tarzeau |
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| 22:31.25 | Crell | Yep, every kernel I've had for the past 2+ years. Yeesh. :-) I suppose I should delete some. |
| 22:31.38 | homekneet | Crell: apt-get --purge remove? |
| 22:31.44 | js_ | what is the basic X program called that gives shows me a map of my current keyboard? |
| 22:31.47 | masoft | rr72, do u try lilo on MBR or one of ur other partitions ? |
| 22:32.00 | ethics | js_ xkbd? |
| 22:32.02 | rr72 | i only have one partition |
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| 22:32.12 | deckrider | tarzeau: for instance input is "Espa\u00F1ol" output is "Español" |
| 22:32.16 | rr72 | masoft~ its fine |
| 22:32.27 | rr72 | masoft~ ill deal with it when i get my mb fixed |
| 22:32.29 | js_ | ethics: ok |
| 22:32.34 | tarzeau | deckrider: wait i think i have one such thing, but the other way around ;) |
| 22:32.39 | rr72 | i need to change caps |
| 22:32.54 | masoft | rr72, ok, if u want fix ur mbr, try "testdisk" |
| 22:32.59 | masoft | rr72, really useful ;) |
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| 22:33.03 | deckrider | tarzeau: yes, glib convert with fall back does something very similar, but in the wrong direction for me :) |
| 22:33.05 | rr72 | i don't have a mbr |
| 22:33.18 | rr72 | i have one on my windows hd |
| 22:33.34 | masoft | rr72, any hard disk have MBR :D |
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| 22:33.53 | rr72 | i changed mine |
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| 22:36.21 | Wowzer | hi all. I have sarge installed, but apache2 defaults to /var/www/apache2-default. Where can I specify the default dir? I've added an .htacesss redirect, but it doesn't seem to override this... |
| 22:36.55 | Eclipser | edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 22:37.14 | Wowzer | ty |
| 22:37.18 | Eclipser | !ty |
| 22:37.18 | dpkg | somebody said ty was thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player |
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| 22:39.09 | kazim | hi |
| 22:39.16 | kazim | i want find a command for put a word at the end of all file like /home/<all users>/file.conf please |
| 22:39.32 | tarzeau | kazim: echo word >> file |
| 22:39.43 | kazim | but there is 70 file |
| 22:39.48 | tarzeau | kazim: find /home -name "file.conf" -exec |
| 22:40.09 | kazim | ho |
| 22:40.23 | Eclipser | -exec is neat |
| 22:40.37 | kazim | hum |
| 22:40.49 | kazim | i sux with find |
| 22:40.58 | kazim | in find /home -name "file.conf" -exec where can i put my word ? |
| 22:41.04 | tarzeau | kazim: find /home -name "file.conf" -exec echo {} \; try that |
| 22:41.24 | tarzeau | kazim: replace echo with echo WORD >> later |
| 22:41.29 | masoft | kazim, if users not created, use /etc/skel |
| 22:41.34 | kazim | ho |
| 22:41.39 | tarzeau | !ho |
| 22:41.39 | dpkg | i guess ho is a derisive term for a promiscuous woman most often used in (american) english, or one of the many bits of african-american slang that white people have appropriated |
| 22:41.55 | kazim | sorry |
| 22:42.00 | masoft | kazim, but if created, u need a simple script ! but I'm weak on this :D excuse me :P |
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| 22:42.03 | Xenguy | for i in `find . -name "file.conf"; do echo blah >> $i; done |
| 22:42.04 | kazim | skel ? |
| 22:42.20 | Xenguy | ^-- not tested |
| 22:42.28 | masoft | kazim, /etc/skel |
| 22:42.31 | Xenguy | for i in `find . -name "file.conf"`; do echo blah >> $i; done |
| 22:42.32 | tarzeau | Xenguy: you're missing a ` |
| 22:42.36 | Xenguy | ;-) |
| 22:42.39 | EvilSporkMan | my IDE CD burner is performing much slower than expected - it should give at least 40x, and I have an SATA hard drive, a gig of RAM, and an Athlon 64, so there shouldn't be any speed issues. what can I do to resolve this? |
| 22:42.48 | Eclipser | find /home -name "file.conf" -exec echo blah >> {} \; |
| 22:42.55 | EvilSporkMan | It is giving speeds closer to 10x or 20x on average |
| 22:43.00 | masoft | EvilSporkMan, ur kernel version ? |
| 22:43.01 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: do you say speed=40 ? |
| 22:43.03 | Eclipser | EvilSporkMan, does it have DMA enabled? |
| 22:43.04 | Eclipser | !ur |
| 22:43.04 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
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| 22:43.18 | EvilSporkMan | masoft: 2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 |
| 22:43.28 | EvilSporkMan | tarzeau: i was using K3B and GnomeBaker |
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| 22:43.34 | tarzeau | EvilSporkMan: YUCK |
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| 22:43.43 | Eclipser | pft |
| 22:43.46 | EvilSporkMan | Eclipser: no |
| 22:43.48 | Eclipser | k3b is nice |
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| 22:43.52 | Crell | Hm. How do I tell what package provided a certain file? |
| 22:43.57 | Eclipser | EvilSporkMan, well, try enabling DMA then?-p |
| 22:43.58 | tarzeau | Eclipser: gives me eye cancer |
| 22:44.03 | PerfDave | Crell: dpkg -S |
| 22:44.11 | EvilSporkMan | Eclipser: does it have to be the IDE master for that? |
| 22:44.15 | rr72 | g2g |
| 22:44.18 | Eclipser | no |
| 22:44.33 | rr72 | amsg g2g |
| 22:44.38 | rr72 | g2g |
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| 22:44.45 | Eclipser | ... |
| 22:45.01 | Crell | PerfDave: Interesting. It says the file isn't found. Unless it means the package for it. |
| 22:45.01 | EvilSporkMan | Eclipser: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd gives HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
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| 22:45.36 | Eclipser | EvilSporkMan, your kernel probably doesn't have the correct motherboard chipset drivers |
| 22:45.56 | EvilSporkMan | Eclipser: for the IDE? definitely have sata_nv loaded for the hard drive |
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| 22:46.45 | glick | excuse me when you install debian do you do desktop install and then remove what you dont need? or install minimum and then add what you need? |
| 22:46.54 | EvilSporkMan | Eclipser: wonderful. |
| 22:46.54 | PerfDave | Crell: It could not be provided by a package. |
| 22:47.01 | masoft | EvilSporkMan, if ur problem will not solved, I offer take a see to NEROLinux :P |
| 22:47.02 | Crell | glick: Install minimum and install just what you need. |
| 22:47.03 | PerfDave | glick: Do whatever suits you best. |
| 22:47.04 | shingouz | glick: i usually install a minimum and add from there |
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| 22:47.13 | Eclipser | !tell masoft about ur |
| 22:47.14 | Crell | PerfDave: It's the original 2.4bf kernel image from woody. :-) |
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| 22:47.28 | PerfDave | Crell: That isn't provided by a package. |
| 22:47.36 | Crell | Ah. Is it safe to just delete then? |
| 22:47.36 | PerfDave | Crell: As you'd know if you'd read the Installation Manual ;) |
| 22:47.38 | glick | i did a desktop install |
| 22:47.45 | glick | and i bet there is sooo much crap that i dont use |
| 22:47.45 | EvilSporkMan | Eclipser: isn't NF3 the chipset for everything on the board? |
| 22:47.47 | PerfDave | Crell: Assuming you've got a different working kernel, yes. |
| 22:47.48 | Crell | PerfDave: What, 2+ years ago? Like I'd remember. :-) |
| 22:47.49 | masoft | Eclipser, sth wrong with "ur" ? |
| 22:47.53 | glick | like for example i dont really use kde and gnome |
| 22:47.54 | timt | noob question: how do I install Dig??? help please. |
| 22:47.55 | EvilSporkMan | Eclipser: as in "Nvidia NF3 250 Gb" |
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| 22:48.00 | glick | i guess i could and should get rid of one of them |
| 22:48.16 | glick | im tryin to get acquainted with fluxbox |
| 22:48.17 | Eclipser | EvilSporkMan, I have no idea, sorry |
| 22:48.24 | PerfDave | glick: They'll just take up HDD space if you don't get rid of them, it's not really a problem. |
| 22:48.26 | Eclipser | !tell masoft about sth |
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| 22:48.36 | Crell | glick: It's much better to install none of the big tasks in the installer and then learn the proper magic commands to get X installed (since it's a complicated set of packages) manually. :-) |
| 22:48.38 | Crell | At least IMHO. |
| 22:48.41 | Crell | Much less cruft. |
| 22:49.05 | PerfDave | timt: "dig" the DNS utility? |
| 22:49.06 | K_Dallas | Could anyone please show a place where I could read and find out why cdrecord does not allow me to use it directly to blank CDs or write ISOs while K3B does it? Thanks |
| 22:49.07 | masoft | Eclipser, I know the mean of "sth" or "ur" :P don't need ur help ! |
| 22:49.07 | Crell | PerfDave: Yeah, I'm just trying to get them out of grub's way so that I don't end up with a giant menu. |
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| 22:49.19 | timt | PerfDave: Yes. |
| 22:49.27 | Eclipser | masoft, you should learn that they're not words... |
| 22:49.33 | PerfDave | timt: Find out what package it's in, install that package. /msg dpkg search |
| 22:49.53 | MobyTurbo | Crell: it's not too complicated to install X and a simple wm. "apt-get install x-window-system-core fluxbox xterm" would be what he's looking for. |
| 22:50.03 | glick | PerfDave, isnt it just as easy to uninstall gnome and stuff? |
| 22:50.17 | timt | perfdave: thanks |
| 22:50.25 | Crell | Yes, it's that x-window-system-core and then xserver-xfree86 that took a while to figure out. |
| 22:50.34 | PerfDave | glick: Uninstalling stuff is tricky, because you've got to zap all the dependencies. Deborphan and debfoster help there. |
| 22:50.36 | masoft | Eclipser, these r words for persons spend their time in chat rooms ! they help to be faster to helping people. |
| 22:50.43 | kazim | re |
| 22:50.46 | Eclipser | !r |
| 22:50.46 | dpkg | methinks r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 22:50.54 | MobyTurbo | Crell: x-window-system-core pulls in xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:51.00 | EvilSporkMan | i know about the nvidia DRI drivers, but do we have a corresponding handy way to install the nvidia nforce driver? |
| 22:51.03 | Eclipser | masoft, it's overly childish and makes you look stupid |
| 22:51.08 | PerfDave | masoft: They are not words, they make you sound like a moron, it's harder for people to understand what you're saying and it just causes extra hassle for everybody. |
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| 22:51.17 | kazim | anyone know how can i set courier-imap to susbribe my user to one mail dir ? |
| 22:51.22 | Eclipser | PerfDave, thanks |
| 22:51.30 | glick | so should i reinstall? |
| 22:51.41 | PerfDave | glick: I wouldn't bother. |
| 22:51.51 | masoft | PerfDave, ok ! don't need to kill me :P |
| 22:51.54 | Crell | Up to you. You can strip stuff out, it just takes a bit because the dependencies are one-way. :-) |
| 22:52.07 | masoft | kazim, are you (r u) arab ? |
| 22:52.35 | MobyTurbo | !moron masoft |
| 22:52.36 | dpkg | masoft: You are moron #35 |
| 22:52.52 | kazim | french |
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| 22:52.55 | K_Dallas | doublespacing is only logical when you make microfilms out of your documents, i guess |
| 22:53.13 | K_Dallas | darn, wrong chan again, sorry |
| 22:53.29 | GrayThunder | is there ANY way to send a fax from debian to a hylafax server? (and i dont meant ftp the file to hylafax server, then log in to the server and send the file manually) |
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| 22:53.40 | oppoziee | hellp |
| 22:53.43 | oppoziee | hello |
| 22:53.43 | big_wolf | I can't get X to recognize my mouse. It always says Cannot open device /dev/whatever. Any ideas? |
| 22:53.48 | masoft | kazim, ok, your name is like some arab names :P |
| 22:53.56 | masoft | oppoziee, hi |
| 22:54.08 | Eclipser | big_wolf, set it to use /dev/input/mice |
| 22:54.17 | drac | big_wolf: modprobe mousedev, and modprobe usbhid (for usb mouse) and modprobe psmouse (for ps/2) mouse, they are both at /dev/input/mice |
| 22:54.25 | oppoziee | can anyone help me with an Netgear WG511 PCMCIA Wlan Card? |
| 22:54.29 | kazim | masoft: k :) |
| 22:54.35 | abrotman | oppoziee: on debian ? |
| 22:54.43 | oppoziee | yes, of course |
| 22:54.52 | glick | so ill still be cool with all that stuff installed? |
| 22:54.54 | kazim | masoft: and you know perhaps how make my courier-imap suscribe my user to a dir ? :) |
| 22:54.59 | abrotman | oppoziee: what do you need help with ? |
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| 22:55.29 | big_wolf | drac: woo, thank you |
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| 22:55.55 | masoft | kazim, sorry, have no experience with courier-imap :( |
| 22:56.04 | kazim | no problem |
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| 22:57.11 | abrotman | oppoziee: ? |
| 22:57.12 | glick | am i still cool with all tha stuff installed? |
| 22:57.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: back? |
| 22:57.39 | oppoziee | i've used the 2.6.8 Debian Kernel wich has build in the module, it loads correct but it says "not ready!" |
| 22:57.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: NOW http://bub-n-bros.sf.net #bub-n-bros i waited jsut for you! |
| 22:57.50 | PerfDave | glick: "cool" how? Your system should still work. |
| 22:57.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: just quick |
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| 22:58.05 | glick | PerfDave, no i mean am i still cool as in 'suave' |
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| 22:58.41 | oppoziee | i've done all like: http://prism54.org/phpwiki?pagename=Prism54%20Debian%20HowTo |
| 22:58.42 | PerfDave | glick: Riiiight. |
| 22:58.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: let me get there |
| 22:59.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: quiiiick ;) |
| 22:59.03 | glick | will other linux users still respect me |
| 22:59.04 | glick | ? |
| 23:00.16 | abrotman | oppoziee: in the channel please |
| 23:00.22 | Phated | You're rapidly losing whatever you might have salvaged. |
| 23:00.25 | oppoziee | ok.. |
| 23:00.54 | oppoziee | can you help me..i will give you an ssh access that you can look |
| 23:00.58 | abrotman | !tell jethro about sing rtfm |
| 23:01.12 | PerfDave | oppoziee: NEVER give random strangers accounts on your system. |
| 23:01.25 | Phated | oppoziee: No, don't give random people accounts. |
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| 23:01.50 | abrotman | oppoziee: you've showed us the howto .. now what doesn't work ? |
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| 23:02.20 | oppoziee | when i do an iwconfig it says doesnt work.. |
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| 23:02.48 | abrotman | define doesn't work :) |
| 23:03.02 | abrotman | vagueness makes baby jesus cry |
| 23:03.26 | Phated | And kills penguins. |
| 23:03.27 | oppoziee | "not ready!" dmesg shows me that the firmware is loaded correctly can it happend to the sysfs?... |
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| 23:03.35 | Crell | baby penguins. |
| 23:03.57 | Phated | After raping them. |
| 23:04.32 | oppoziee | must i for sysfs put any command to grub or ist ist enough to write it in fstab... /sys shows me all devices.. |
| 23:04.32 | rr72 | hey all |
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| 23:06.03 | oppoziee | its also an netgear wg511 Rev. 1 card... |
| 23:06.14 | oppoziee | with prismGT chipset |
| 23:07.23 | oppoziee | "dmesg" after an "iwconfig eth0" up it says: "mgmt tx que is still full" |
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| 23:10.57 | jbmigel | like why does jigdo have to log into its ftp server anon like 8001 times ina row geez |
| 23:11.10 | EvilSporkMan | could ide-scsi be prohibiting me from turning on DMA? |
| 23:11.52 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to fix videos with out of sync audio? |
| 23:12.09 | masoft | EvilSporkMan, u don't need turn on ide-scsi when use kernel 2.6.x |
| 23:12.15 | rr72 | hey masoft |
| 23:12.16 | EvilSporkMan | masoft: it automatically loads |
| 23:12.37 | masoft | rr72, oh, u disconnected last time ... |
| 23:12.41 | oppoziee | abrotman? |
| 23:12.42 | rr72 | wha? |
| 23:12.45 | rr72 | i was gone |
| 23:12.51 | rr72 | smashing garlic |
| 23:12.56 | rr72 | mom needed muscles |
| 23:13.01 | masoft | rr72, ok, I thought u disconnected :P |
| 23:13.07 | rr72 | i did |
| 23:13.12 | rr72 | i was gone |
| 23:13.16 | masoft | rr72, did u use Nvidia driver or nv driver ? |
| 23:13.21 | rr72 | idk |
| 23:13.29 | rr72 | oh |
| 23:13.37 | rr72 | i read ur last staemnet wrong |
| 23:13.37 | jbmigel | I noticed the official jigdo download site now contains iso's for amd64 now! does this mean that all debian mirrors now contain amd64 .debs too?? |
| 23:13.43 | abrotman | oppoziee: phone .. momment |
| 23:13.54 | oppoziee | ok.. |
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| 23:14.37 | oppoziee | anyone fromg germany here? is there an support channel on irc.debian.org german |
| 23:14.53 | bucky | !gr |
| 23:14.54 | dpkg | well, gr is Greece, or General Relativity, or General Resolution |
| 23:14.54 | joel_ | !german |
| 23:14.54 | dpkg | methinks german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 23:14.57 | bucky | !de |
| 23:14.57 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 23:15.01 | masoft | EvilSporkMan, you can disable it ! if you use lilo just comment the append= line |
| 23:15.03 | cartel_ | what happened to raidtools2 in sarge? |
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| 23:15.26 | masoft | oppoziee, #debian.de |
| 23:15.41 | EvilSporkMan | masoft: shouldn't it be disabled in discover or hotplug or something? |
| 23:16.17 | oppoziee | ther is noone in #debian.de-so i wll try with my bad english :( |
| 23:16.27 | masoft | EvilSporkMan, as I know you can disable it without any problem ! I disabled mine and can write CDs without any problem |
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| 23:17.06 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to fix videos with out of sync audio.... or #where I can find info on that kind of thing? |
| 23:17.13 | masoft | oppoziee, my german is not good :P aber ich spreche deutsch :D |
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| 23:18.15 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone? |
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| 23:18.40 | simonrvn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 23:18.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 23:18.48 | simonrvn | oh no, sorry |
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| 23:18.59 | simonrvn | i thought it was going to /msg me |
| 23:19.15 | ethics | can you resize partitions using the sarge installer cd? |
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| 23:19.49 | masoft | ethics, as I know, it's unpossible to resize ... |
| 23:20.06 | PerfDave | ethics: AFAICR, yes. |
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| 23:20.42 | PerfDave | ethics: If not, boot off Knoppix and use qtparted or something. |
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| 23:21.38 | masoft | ethics, the most safe program is Partition magic but infact not 100% safe ... |
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| 23:22.40 | kadarkhan | hello all |
| 23:22.43 | rr72 | i prefer cfdisk |
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| 23:23.05 | EvilSporkMan | rr72: i prefer to open the partition table in a hex editor |
| 23:23.18 | rr72 | sure |
| 23:23.19 | rr72 | what ever |
| 23:23.47 | kadarkhan | i have eth0: 172.16.17.0 network and eth1: 10.11.12.0 network (both netmask 255.255.255.0). Will "route add -net 10.11.12.0 eth1" route packets from eth0 to eth1 or is it the other way around? |
| 23:24.44 | ethics | yeah was going to use knoppic live cd.....does std have it or just knoppix live?....650 mb download on dialup sucks but shrug. |
| 23:24.44 | masoft | kadarkhan, u must enable IP-forwarding |
| 23:24.50 | kadarkhan | i want to have all packets destined to 172.16.17.0 or on that network to be routed to 10.11.12.130 (eth1) |
| 23:24.59 | kadarkhan | masoft i've enabled ip-forwarding |
| 23:25.36 | EvilSporkMan | kadarkhan: how about iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE -o eth1 && echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
| 23:25.39 | ethics | PerfDave, does knoppix-std have QT-parted |
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| 23:25.43 | floppyears | hello |
| 23:25.58 | floppyears | are there debian packages for vim scripts ? |
| 23:26.01 | kadarkhan | i just want to make sure its correct before i hook up the AP's (before i hook them up and think that something is wrong with them if it doesn't work) |
| 23:26.01 | masoft | kadarkhan, so if all of your users add you as default gateway, all packets route ... :P |
| 23:26.09 | kadarkhan | floppyears apt-get install vim-scripts |
| 23:26.18 | kadarkhan | EvilSporkMan so i dont need a static route? |
| 23:26.23 | masoft | EvilSporkMan, I think no NAT needed here !!! |
| 23:26.40 | EvilSporkMan | kadarkhan: not if you don't mind eth0 being behind nat...otherwise you get to look up the commands to open up ports |
| 23:26.48 | EvilSporkMan | masoft: there's an easier way to do it? |
| 23:27.14 | kadarkhan | i might need a NAT, what im doing is setting up a wireless gateway so I can instlal nocatsplash on this thing and offer wifi free to our apt building |
| 23:27.38 | kadarkhan | i know nocatsplash has its own firewalling so i dont want to mess with iptables until i get to that stage |
| 23:27.38 | masoft | EvilSporkMan, it just has 2 simple (non-internet) network, so NAT no needed ! just a forwarding is enough |
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| 23:28.54 | floppyears | kadarkhan: so I can't install just one script or select a sepcific script I want like in gentoo ? |
| 23:29.07 | kadarkhan | right now i just want to be able to access the internet too, i have this setup: cable modem -> dlink router (no dhcp, ip 10.11.12.130) -> cisco switch -> gateway (2 eth, eth1: 10.11.12.130, eth0: 172.16.17.1). Then I will have all the AP's connected to a switch as .2 and .3 etc.. |
| 23:29.11 | zol3 | g'day |
| 23:29.37 | kadarkhan | floppyears i dont know how gentoo does things |
| 23:29.54 | masoft | kadarkhan, if you want share internet just with 1 ip, of course u need NAT |
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| 23:30.10 | floppyears | kadarkhan: neither do I, but I was jelaous when I saw that a friend with gentoo could search for a specific script and install just that one :( |
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| 23:31.06 | masoft | Gentoo is fast but hard to install. also not good for person doesn't have highspeed internet because of lack of Packages :P |
| 23:31.23 | kadarkhan | hmm but right now my setup is correct? if I install nocatsplash and setup the iptables to forward packets destined to 172.165.17.0 -> 10.11.12.0 ? |
| 23:31.27 | rr72 | masoft~ what do u recommend? |
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| 23:31.38 | masoft | rr72, recommend for ? |
| 23:31.42 | rr72 | os? |
| 23:31.47 | kadarkhan | im not going to install nocatsplash/nocatauth yet because i need to get dhcp working on this box as well |
| 23:32.03 | masoft | rr72, for which use ? Desktop ? Server ? (for a beginner ? an Advance ? ) |
| 23:32.11 | rr72 | lmao |
| 23:32.16 | rr72 | u sound so pro |
| 23:32.18 | rr72 | sorry |
| 23:32.25 | rr72 | i use lmao too much |
| 23:32.27 | rr72 | !lmao |
| 23:32.27 | dpkg | somebody said lmao was laughing my ass off, or see lol |
| 23:33.42 | oppoziee | can anyone help me with PCMCIA wlan prismGT chipset? |
| 23:33.54 | masoft | rr72, :P in fact Debian is good for most of the purposes ! I had tried 20 main distro for it's abilities :D |
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| 23:34.11 | rr72 | masoft~ i have so many live cds |
| 23:34.51 | masoft | rr72, I find Knoppix(and Gnoppix) and Slax as the best live CDs ( for general purposes) |
| 23:35.04 | masoft | rr72, did u tried Slax ? |
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| 23:35.12 | rr72 | i have dsl morphix slax |
| 23:35.14 | wwallace | !lol |
| 23:35.14 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. |
| 23:35.19 | rr72 | dynebolic |
| 23:35.21 | rr72 | phlak |
| 23:35.35 | rr72 | i have a lot |
| 23:35.43 | rr72 | i have ton of isos on comp |
| 23:36.07 | masoft | rr72, it's hard for persons doesn't have highspeed internet :P |
| 23:36.19 | rr72 | i didnt realy like slax too much |
| 23:36.26 | rr72 | and mandrake move |
| 23:36.31 | rr72 | and nurmouse |
| 23:36.44 | rr72 | no i can use all my woody cds again |
| 23:36.50 | rr72 | now* |
| 23:36.56 | rr72 | i use cdrw's |
| 23:37.46 | masoft | rr72, completely depends on what u want to use :D Slax is low size ;) just 180 Mb. I changed it's environment to Gnome. so I have all time a Gnome linux in my packet :P |
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| 23:38.23 | masoft | rr72, do u know any other 200Mb linux with Gnome ? |
| 23:38.54 | rr72 | do u know someone who has at least 15 dif isos on comp of live cds? |
| 23:39.02 | pipeline | You can't fit a full gnome into 180M. |
| 23:39.12 | oneo | hey everyone - whenever my wireless network disconnects, i have to reboot my computer (i have an ifup wlan0 command in my startup scripts) because my machine is headless...anyone know of a way in debian to monitor the wireless connection and automatically reconnect whenever the connection is lost? |
| 23:39.15 | masoft | pipeline, I fitted :D |
| 23:39.19 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: that's why it's 200M |
| 23:39.31 | pipeline | masoft: Translation: You omitted tons of crap. You cannot. It just can't be done. |
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| 23:39.53 | masoft | pipeline, by a good compression, it's possible :D |
| 23:40.05 | pipeline | oh, so you're using a huge ramdisk. |
| 23:40.10 | TwistedEmotions | <lie>KDE is a simple and VERY NICE GUI... and I'm sure no more then like 50 megs. </lie> |
| 23:40.15 | rr72 | i want a pc in my room with wireless |
| 23:40.21 | rr72 | i have to stay in basmenet |
| 23:40.27 | EvilSporkMan | <lie>KDE and GNOME are light and easy to use and support</lie> |
| 23:40.29 | masoft | pipeline, just 512 is enough |
| 23:40.38 | [Granger] | KDE > * |
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| 23:40.42 | TwistedEmotions | Weeeee ;) |
| 23:40.42 | pipeline | <lie>Desktop environments other than Gnome and KDE are worth wasting time on.</lie> |
| 23:40.48 | dataw0lf | oh, jesus, don't talk to rr72. |
| 23:40.49 | rr72 | !<lie> |
| 23:40.51 | dataw0lf | the guy is a retard. |
| 23:40.56 | rr72 | lmao |
| 23:41.05 | EvilSporkMan | lol...whenever i try to support KDE/GNOME, my answer is always "diddle with the pretty checkboxes". :-[ |
| 23:41.05 | rr72 | dataw0lf is a SPAZ |
| 23:41.09 | masoft | I like this command :D cat Gnome > /dev/null :P |
| 23:41.11 | dataw0lf | laugh it up, cockbreath. |
| 23:41.25 | EvilSporkMan | I suppose I should learn how to use them properly |
| 23:41.28 | [Granger] | masoft: that's mv Gnome /dev/null |
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| 23:41.39 | [Granger] | get it right :P |
| 23:41.40 | masoft | excuse me !!! KDE :D |
| 23:41.42 | TwistedEmotions | !tell rr72 about return |
| 23:41.54 | PerfDave | KDE makes Linux useable :) |
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| 23:42.03 | masoft | not mv ! just cat ;) |
| 23:42.08 | TwistedEmotions | XFCE isnt bad... |
| 23:42.12 | rr72 | !tell TwistedEmotions rtfm |
| 23:42.14 | EvilSporkMan | masoft: wouldn't cat just take a long time |
| 23:42.17 | pipeline | XFCE is just gnome without features. |
| 23:42.23 | TwistedEmotions | I hear openbox is better.. |
| 23:42.23 | rr72 | !tell TwistedEmotions about rtfm |
| 23:42.27 | Guerin | and without bloat |
| 23:42.29 | PerfDave | pipeline: But Gnome doesn't have any features to start with! :) |
| 23:42.32 | EvilSporkMan | i hear, um, icewm rocks? |
| 23:42.41 | TwistedEmotions | !slap rr72 |
| 23:42.44 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 23:42.44 | [Granger] | gnome debian needs a serious facelift |
| 23:42.56 | masoft | PerfDave, what u need ? I think it has all u need :D |
| 23:43.07 | PerfDave | !tell masoft -about u |
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| 23:43.24 | PerfDave | masoft: Being easy to use and configure, intuitive and newbie-friendly would be a good start. |
| 23:43.33 | rr72 | g2g |
| 23:43.36 | rr72 | dinner |
| 23:43.40 | rr72 | bbl |
| 23:43.57 | EvilSporkMan | PerfDave: there's that i-word again. Pray tell, what is an intuitive interface? |
| 23:44.09 | masoft | PerfDave, I choose Gnome because of its Speed and license |
| 23:44.09 | john | what does it mean if you try to mount your cdrom, and it says wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd |
| 23:44.11 | rr72 | !tell dataw0lf about commonsense |
| 23:44.12 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: depends on the wetware |
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| 23:44.19 | rr72 | <dpkg> i dunno what is 'commonsense'. |
| 23:44.28 | EvilSporkMan | Linux has two GUIs, like Mac and like Windows, also known as "menu on top" and "menu on bottom" |
| 23:44.30 | Guerin | john: is there a data cd with a filesystem in there? |
| 23:44.32 | rr72 | !tell dataw0lf about rm -fr / |
| 23:44.33 | masoft | john try mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd |
| 23:44.47 | john | there is a data cd |
| 23:44.53 | john | with just mp3s on it |
| 23:44.53 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: and 'menu on right-click' and 'no menu at all' |
| 23:44.56 | PerfDave | EvilSporkMan: I can sit my girlfriend down in front of a default KDE desktop, and she can do anything she needs without having to ask me for help. |
| 23:45.11 | Guerin | john: what mount line are you using |
| 23:45.24 | Guerin | masoft: don't want to bother with a mount point? |
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| 23:45.28 | PerfDave | masoft: KDE is Free Software, and IME faster than Gnome. |
| 23:45.40 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: I sit my girlfriend in front of my computer... reboot into windows and tell her to download all the adware she can. |
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| 23:45.45 | EvilSporkMan | PerfDave: doesn't necessarily mean it's intuitive. it may also be like a system she's used before. |
| 23:45.48 | masoft | Guerin, of course wants ... with -t iso9660 |
| 23:45.51 | mwilson | PerfDave: But far uglier. |
| 23:45.53 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: I don't have Windows on my computer :) |
| 23:46.02 | trend | hello |
| 23:46.03 | john | Guerin: I'm unsure, I just type mount /media/cdrom |
| 23:46.06 | john | or mount /dev/hdd |
| 23:46.07 | Guerin | my wife uses free software by choice |
| 23:46.10 | Guerin | and understands it |
| 23:46.16 | PerfDave | mwilson: Yeah, the Win 3.1 look is so *in* this year. |
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| 23:46.19 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: how do you keep your girlfriend busy then? |
| 23:46.21 | trend | how can I tell what users have logged into my system and when (via ssh ) |
| 23:46.32 | Guerin | john: ok. try mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /media/cdrom |
| 23:46.37 | Guerin | john: same error? |
| 23:46.39 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: I don't think that's suitable for a family IRC channel ;) |
| 23:46.46 | EvilSporkMan | PerfDave: I prefer the Win98 sans desktop icons look ;) |
| 23:46.47 | zol3 | trend: last |
| 23:46.51 | mwilson | PerfDave: I hadn't noticed KDE looking as good as Win 3.1 lately. |
| 23:46.53 | masoft | PerfDave, could u write free in terminal and copy-paste for me ? |
| 23:46.56 | john | Guerin: Yes,same error. |
| 23:46.59 | TwistedEmotions | trend: When you try to login with root command and you dont have access.. |
| 23:47.09 | trend | zol ahh.. i was using lastlog |
| 23:47.14 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: So you DO have windows! |
| 23:47.18 | PerfDave | mwilson: Heh, whatever. We all know you're a troll then it comes to GUIs. |
| 23:47.19 | Guerin | i prefer the 'no ui widgets unless i specifically ask for them' look of openbox with my 'null' theme |
| 23:47.20 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Hee :) |
| 23:47.32 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: you mean twm? |
| 23:47.40 | PerfDave | !tell masoft -about u |
| 23:47.44 | Guerin | john: are you sure about the provenance of that file? |
| 23:48.00 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: twm has ui widgets, and is clunky as a bastard |
| 23:48.01 | PerfDave | free |
| 23:48.04 | Guerin | s/file/cdrom/ |
| 23:48.06 | masoft | PerfDave, I'm trying to don't use ! but it's for 5-6 years I use "u" :P |
| 23:48.19 | PerfDave | masoft: Configure your IRC client not to send "u" :p |
| 23:48.23 | trend | ok, how do you change the date? |
| 23:48.41 | masoft | PerfDave, write "free" in terminal, not here :P |
| 23:48.43 | PerfDave | trend: The easiest way is just to run ntp |
| 23:48.46 | TwistedEmotions | trend: look up your local time when set it to that. |
| 23:48.47 | Guerin | trend: man hwclock; man date |
| 23:48.55 | Guerin | but yeah, PerfDave has it right |
| 23:49.12 | TwistedEmotions | thats a first |
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| 23:49.25 | TwistedEmotions | not that I am one to talk... |
| 23:49.26 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 23:49.35 | john | hmm |
| 23:49.37 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: what are you on about? |
| 23:49.38 | john | now i get the error |
| 23:49.39 | john | mount: block device /dev/hdd is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 23:49.41 | Guerin | hrm, well |
| 23:49.52 | PerfDave | john: That's not an error, that's a warning. |
| 23:49.53 | Guerin | all my classes today have been cancelled |
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| 23:50.03 | Guerin | would have been nice of them to tell me about this yesterday |
| 23:50.05 | vchrizz | hiho |
| 23:50.05 | john | ah. |
| 23:50.07 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Good job you.. |
| 23:50.16 | masoft | john, it's ok ! not any problem |
| 23:50.21 | Guerin | the trouble is i'm not sure if they'll let me come home |
| 23:50.41 | TwistedEmotions | I am done with all my classes... only 1 final left on friday. |
| 23:50.43 | Guerin | because koreans have this stupid 'being there is more important than actually doing anything' office ethic |
| 23:50.47 | EvilSporkMan | fluxbox <=> openbox |
| 23:51.04 | PerfDave | Guerin: Can you IRC from work? ;) |
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| 23:51.11 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: fluxbox comes with a shitty taskbar etc. by default |
| 23:51.19 | Guerin | PerfDave: i am. |
| 23:51.31 | PerfDave | Guerin: Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot about timezone-fu ;) |
| 23:51.48 | Guerin | PerfDave: but i have to use the evil windows terminal emulator |
| 23:52.12 | EvilSporkMan | do i start openbox with exec openbox or just openbox in .xsession? |
| 23:52.17 | PerfDave | Evil Windows terminal emulator? xterm with random crashes compiled in? :) |
| 23:52.31 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: man xsession |
| 23:52.44 | Guerin | PerfDave: cmd.exe |
| 23:52.58 | Guerin | i wish it were half as good as xterm |
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| 23:53.03 | mwilson | PerfDave: Now, now... you know it's elitism to expect people to be able to read. |
| 23:53.05 | PerfDave | Cygwin! PuTTY! :) |
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| 23:53.18 | aiw | why are there two apache httpd.conf files, one in /etc/apache and the other in /etc/apache-ssl ? when is the /apache-ssl one used? |
| 23:53.25 | zol3 | teraterm is not too bad for windows |
| 23:53.29 | cycom | PerfDave: Mindterm! :) |
| 23:53.32 | cycom | java based |
| 23:53.37 | Guerin | i'm using the cygwin openssh; putty doesn't work for reasons I've been unable to determine |
| 23:53.41 | heiner | aiw: for https |
| 23:53.45 | Guerin | cycom: eew, java. |
| 23:53.49 | vchrizzz | uhm, i just set up ma router with a pptp connection to the internet, now i want to configure iptables and dont know what to set that the pptp connection doesnt brake? |
| 23:54.02 | simonrvn | 'break' |
| 23:54.03 | Guerin | i can't get teraterm to do anything but a com: connection or telnet |
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| 23:54.05 | cycom | Guerin: mmmm... web based |
| 23:54.12 | Guerin | cycom: even worse |
| 23:54.18 | simonrvn | unless you want to stop it, then 'brake' is cool ;p |
| 23:54.22 | PerfDave | Mindterm is shitty :) |
| 23:54.31 | cycom | Guerin: it does the job when you don't want to deal with downloading an exe. |
| 23:54.40 | cycom | very handy when it's not your computer. |
| 23:54.44 | PerfDave | cycom: Except you have to deal with downloading Java instead :) |
| 23:54.48 | aiw | does that mean if i need to configure a virtual host for ssl, i need to edit the /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf? |
| 23:54.48 | Guerin | cycom: cmd.exe is installed on every windows machine I know |
| 23:54.59 | vchrizzz | simonrvn: well, its 01:54 am here ;) |
| 23:55.27 | cycom | Guerin: except for loder windows machines where it's command.exe. |
| 23:55.29 | BiNaRiO | its 6:55 pm here (Lima - PerĂº) |
| 23:55.32 | Guerin | aiw: yes. realise that ssl with multiple virtual hosts is tricky. |
| 23:55.33 | cycom | Guerin: that's IF you can access it. |
| 23:55.43 | simonrvn | 19:55 |
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| 23:56.13 | vchrizzz | ive opened port 1723 for outgoing pptp traffic, but what should i set to allow the incoming traffic? afaik its GRE packets |
| 23:56.14 | Guerin | cycom: hell, dude, on anything newer than w98 i can use putty. on w98 it's impossible to lock down command.exe or anything else, so it's moot. |
| 23:56.30 | simonrvn | you need an IP per vhost for HTTPS |
| 23:56.33 | Guerin | 08:56 here |
| 23:56.34 | masoft | I must go, it's 4 am here. bye friends |
| 23:56.42 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn nailed it |
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| 23:56.55 | Guerin | you don't NEED an ip per host |
| 23:56.56 | simonrvn | nailed what? |
| 23:56.58 | cycom | Guerin: unless you are trying to stay within the bounds of the rules. |
| 23:56.59 | aiw | Guerin: i only have a single client that needs ssl, so will i need two virtual hosts for the site, one in the /etc/apache/httpd.conf for the port 80 parts of the site, and one in /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf for the port 443 parts of the same website? |
| 23:57.01 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 23:57.11 | simonrvn | for HTTPS you do |
| 23:57.17 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: here's a stupid question. Now that I have openbox, HOW DO I TELL WHAT WINDOWS I HAVE OPEN?! >_< |
| 23:57.26 | Guerin | you CAN run multiple ssls off one ip, but clients will throw errors which will scare the shit out of anyone who tries to use it |
| 23:57.34 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: alt+tab |
| 23:57.36 | mwilson | You look at the screen, oh clueless one. |
| 23:57.41 | simonrvn | bullshit. certs won't match |
| 23:57.46 | Guerin | simonrvn: nope :) |
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| 23:58.15 | Guerin | the certs won't match, and that'll throw an error at client side, which users can choose to ignore if they wish. It's a bad idea, but it IS possible. |
| 23:58.15 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: you yell at the computer of course |
| 23:58.16 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: I was afraid you were going to say that |
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| 23:58.40 | aiw | i really don't understand the purpose of the apache-ssl directory, is there a second instance of apache running under debian for port 443? |
| 23:58.41 | EvilSporkMan | mwilson: my screen isn't big enough to hold all my windows. I guess it's time to RTFM and rethink windowing as I know it |
| 23:58.42 | FieldySnuts | it's the nature of ssl. |
| 23:58.43 | simonrvn | it's a bad idea, and it isn't just client side that'll crap out |
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| 23:59.14 | Rez | aiw: it's for the apache-ssl package |
| 23:59.28 | Overand | what's the name of the metapackage for development? |
| 23:59.28 | Guerin | i just use secure.mymaindomain.com for all domains, and cheap-and-dirty meta-refresh to tell people they're being shuffled around the place :) |
| 23:59.46 | Guerin | Overand: build-essential? |
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| 23:59.51 | aiw | Rez: i guessed that much, but is that an independant instance of apache running independantly of the normal apache? |
| 23:59.52 | Overand | Guerin: that's the one, thanks |
