| 00:00.01 | EvilSporkMan | does openbox have a run bar? It took me MONTHS to discover the one in IceWM, but now i can't live without it |
| 00:00.06 | Rez | aiw: typically, yes. |
| 00:00.08 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: you can use fbpanel or fspanel to have a taskbar, if you really must |
| 00:00.18 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: wtf is a run bar? |
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| 00:00.26 | abrotman | Guerin: blackbox had one iirc |
| 00:00.26 | vchrizzz | aiw: apache runs on port80 and apache-ssl on 443, http == 80 ; https == 443 ; so every content which should be encrypted, you have to put it into apache-ssl's docroot |
| 00:00.38 | simonrvn | it's bar that you run into when you feel like it |
| 00:00.51 | Guerin | aiw: apache-ssl can serve plain apache as well as ssl - the default config even has detailed instructions on how to make it happen |
| 00:01.13 | FieldySnuts | !start a distro war |
| 00:01.13 | dpkg | SuSE rocks! |
| 00:01.18 | aiw | normally, apache listens on both ports using the Listen 80, Listen 443 directive in the httpd.conf |
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| 00:01.28 | PerfDave | Or you can install plain apache and libapache-mod-ssl and have HTTP and HTTPS in one server ;) |
| 00:01.50 | vchrizzz | Linux michelle 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:01:58 EST 2005 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 00:01.50 | vchrizzz | /bin/sh: line 1: debian: command not found |
| 00:01.53 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: well, in IceWM, you can conveniently whack ctrl-alt-space to get a ghetto commandline to replace the taskbar temporarily. I find it's less clunky than having a terminal open to type foo & in for all your programs |
| 00:02.01 | Guerin | but there's almost never a good reason to run both apsache-ssl and plain apache on the same machine |
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| 00:02.28 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: man xterm |
| 00:02.37 | aiw | when i enable mod_ssl i get an error |
| 00:02.40 | abrotman | !punish tarzeau for making me play bub-n-bros |
| 00:02.45 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: when do you not have a terminal open? |
| 00:02.46 | FieldySnuts | do we get to know what it is? |
| 00:02.46 | abrotman | LoonaTick|afk: turn that off |
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| 00:03.16 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: when I'm just browsing the web and IMing? |
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| 00:03.26 | Guerin | aiw: that's almost certainly because you didn't read the instructions of how to make it work. This is why I encourage people to use apache-ssl - it comes with a WORKING default config. |
| 00:03.37 | anthonynunez | Whats the process after installing a kernel from apt-get? just reboot? |
| 00:03.42 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: why? doesn't cost you nothin' |
| 00:03.44 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: also there's no way to say "show me my terminal, but don't open a new one" |
| 00:03.52 | dvs | anthonynunez: yup |
| 00:04.00 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: alt+tab |
| 00:04.17 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: through 5 windows? |
| 00:04.18 | dvs | anthonynunez: Just check if it's configured in lilo/grub |
| 00:04.23 | jethro | simonrvn: Guerin you can use different ports for ssl name based vhosts, on the same IP, but it's not nice |
| 00:04.27 | aiw | Guerin: where are the instructions? I have been looking for three days now |
| 00:04.37 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: you have 5 windows open for browsing web and im? |
| 00:04.38 | jethro | Guerin: I mean for the error not to occur :) |
| 00:04.40 | anthonynunez | dvs: hmm, I upgraded from 2.4 to 2.6 and I have SCSI drives, now it doesnt see root= anymore, and ive tried sd* |
| 00:04.47 | anthonynunez | dvs, it was |
| 00:04.47 | simonrvn | jethro: bad hack, imo. but it's doable, yes |
| 00:04.52 | jethro | simonrvn: imho too |
| 00:05.07 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: and xchat and a terminal that's busy editing rc.xml for openbox |
| 00:05.12 | simonrvn | (cheap IP blocks)++ |
| 00:05.18 | dvs | anthonynunez: What SCSI controller are you using? |
| 00:05.18 | Guerin | aiw: /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-ssl/* and httpd.apache.org |
| 00:05.18 | jethro | ipv6++ |
| 00:05.22 | crondom | will woody play nice with sarge packages for like python,glibc,libssl.....? |
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| 00:05.30 | dvs | crondom: no |
| 00:05.34 | simonrvn | jethro: :) |
| 00:05.37 | Guerin | jethro: oh, that's true. But it's a dirty hack too. |
| 00:05.44 | anthonynunez | dvs: I'm not sure |
| 00:05.51 | crondom | dvs: Why is that/ |
| 00:05.52 | aiw | Guerin: i have those instruction, i mean the instruction for apache-ssl |
| 00:05.59 | jethro | Guerin: wondering if it's dirtier then client side errors :p |
| 00:06.20 | dvs | anthonynunez: It could be that the SCSI controller is called something different in 2.6, or worse not supported at all |
| 00:06.21 | Guerin | jethro: no. my only point was that it IS possible. |
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| 00:06.34 | dvs | crondom: woody uses different libraries than sarge |
| 00:06.36 | jethro | Guerin: and I don't question it don't misunderstand me |
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| 00:06.42 | Guerin | aiw: in /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf |
| 00:06.43 | aiw | i have been using webmin to administer apache, and it has been using the normal apache for everything |
| 00:06.44 | anthonynunez | dvs: I just reinstalled debian, so I know its supported |
| 00:06.49 | Guerin | goddamn |
| 00:06.51 | FieldySnuts | @fuck webmin |
| 00:06.56 | Guerin | never use webmin to administer apache |
| 00:07.06 | aiw | Guerin: why not? |
| 00:07.07 | Guerin | uninstall it now before it breaks something |
| 00:07.09 | FieldySnuts | or anything for that matter |
| 00:07.19 | simonrvn | well, i use a self-signed ca cert, and i get client side errors anyway, but at least when they check out the server cert, they see that everything matches, therefore telling their little luser brain that it's ok to init the ssl conn. |
| 00:07.20 | FieldySnuts | only thing i use it for is last-resort if i can't ssh in and can't get to console |
| 00:07.24 | aiw | i have been using it for 5 years or so with no problems |
| 00:07.25 | jethro | aiw: ever tried to cut the branch you're sitting on ? |
| 00:07.27 | FieldySnuts | and even then I have everything backed up |
| 00:07.38 | Richie086 | yeah never had any probs with webmin myself |
| 00:07.59 | Guerin | webmin WILL eventually break your httpd.conf beyond usability; and worse, it'll keep you ignorant of how to administer the webserver you're responsible for, rendering you impotent when it comes to fixing or securing it |
| 00:08.00 | dvs | anthonynunez: well, without knowing what kernel module your SCSI controller uses, I can't tell you what to check in your .config file |
| 00:08.16 | FieldySnuts | what drives me nuts is a lot of webmin modules like to strip out all comments... asshole. |
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| 00:08.31 | simonrvn | that's the worst |
| 00:08.39 | aiw | i switch beteen hand editing httpd.conf and using webmin, never any problem |
| 00:08.47 | aiw | all the comments are there |
| 00:08.48 | Richie086 | not exactly.. i learned how to use linux from teaching myself how to setup apache with no web interface, just vi and httpd.conf |
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| 00:08.56 | Guerin | aiw: good luck with that. |
| 00:08.56 | FieldySnuts | anyway, this seperates real admins from wanna-bes, shrug, so it actually does have a purpose |
| 00:09.05 | FieldySnuts | </troll> |
| 00:09.09 | anthonynunez | dvs: could I change that .config file in /boot and add a module on next boot without rebooting? |
| 00:09.16 | anthonynunez | dvs: without recompiling I mean |
| 00:09.24 | simonrvn | i leave comments for myself and others as to what a conf option is for, or the reasoning behind it, etc. why remove something useful? stupid.... |
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| 00:09.40 | aiw | is there any documentation on why debian has apache and apache-ssl? do sites that need ssl run two instances of apache under debian? |
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| 00:09.50 | FieldySnuts | didn't we just get done explaining all that..... |
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| 00:10.00 | dvs | anthonynunez: If your SCSI drive is the root partition, you must put the SCSI controller in the kernel itself (or in the initrd image). It can't be a module. |
| 00:10.04 | PerfDave | aiw: Read the damn package descriptions |
| 00:10.07 | simonrvn | aiw: ffs, think it through a bit... you'll figure it out |
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| 00:10.41 | e0n | good night, I'm trying to run Gthumb but I can't remember to which group I have to add my user to (can't access camera). Google isn't helping either... And I'm sure this is some kind o permission problem |
| 00:10.48 | Guerin | aiw: reat the very long and detailed comment section at the end of the apache-ssl httpd.conf |
| 00:10.53 | aiw | no, you have not, i have read the package descriptions, i have run servers under other distros, none have two instances of apache for ssl, shat is the reasoning for debian to do so |
| 00:10.58 | simonrvn | some people may read docs and shit, but *comprehension* is crap.... |
| 00:11.03 | magnus__ | I am trying to get my system drive to keep itself in sleep mode. I have used hdparm to specify a low spindown time on my system root disk, but the disc always spins up after a little while due to processes using the harddrive. Which processes are these on a vanilla debian system? and/or how can one find them to shut them down? |
| 00:11.05 | Crell | Greetings. I have an apt-deadlock. I'm trying to install package A, but it fails trying to overwrite a file that is owned by package B. I'm fine with uninstalling package B, but because apt is now jammed it won't let me until package A is done installing. Suggestions? |
| 00:11.15 | PerfDave | aiw: Debian does not need two instances of apache for SSL. |
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| 00:11.36 | mwilson | Crell: Sure. Uninstall (A) first. |
| 00:11.38 | Guerin | e0n: you probably want a hotplug script to change all the perms on the fly for you, without breaking things permanently |
| 00:11.43 | simonrvn | aiw: ask the debian maintainers for apache already. do we look like them? |
| 00:11.44 | Guerin | Crell: dpkg --force-help |
| 00:11.45 | magnus__ | Crell: manually install one of them using dpkg and --force-overwrite |
| 00:11.59 | Guerin | grr |
| 00:12.12 | simonrvn | affk (away from fucking kbd) |
| 00:12.16 | Guerin | never tell people HOW to use --force-* - it's something that's got to be understood |
| 00:12.16 | mwilson | Ya gotta love cluebies who immediately reach for --force |
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| 00:12.32 | e0n | Guerin, how can I get that script? |
| 00:12.33 | anthonynunez | dvs: this is weird, I apt-get the same kernel except it was 386 last time and it worked after I changed hdb into sdb in /boot |
| 00:12.34 | Crell | netsplit. :-) |
| 00:12.38 | magnus__ | mwilson: --force-all helps for anything :) |
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| 00:12.58 | Crell | mwilson: I tried that, it won't uninstall A because of other things that depend on A. |
| 00:13.00 | Guerin | e0n: google for hotplug camera script or somesuch |
| 00:13.06 | dvs | anthonynunez: Aren't all SCSI drives sdX? |
| 00:13.07 | e0n | ok, tnx |
| 00:13.15 | aiw | Guerin: perhaps we have a different apache-ssl, because mine does not have a long description ad then end of /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf |
| 00:13.15 | Guerin | e0n: i found one pretty easy, works like a charm on my mum's laptop |
| 00:13.23 | peter__ | is there any way i can restore a file that has been ovewritten (by gaim) |
| 00:13.24 | magnus__ | Crell: just do the --force-overwrite on one of the packages, it will fix the problem :) |
| 00:13.30 | Crell | Guerin: So how would you suggest handling it without using force? |
| 00:13.43 | Guerin | Crell: what mwilson said will probably work. |
| 00:13.45 | e0n | Guerin, lets see what I can find :) Thx again |
| 00:13.54 | Crell | No, I tried that, it won't let me uninstall it either. |
| 00:14.03 | Guerin | peter__: backups |
| 00:14.24 | Guerin | Crell: what if you do apt-get remove --purge packagea packageb ? |
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| 00:14.31 | anthonynunez | dvs: yeah,but when I install debian its hdX |
| 00:14.45 | Guerin | aiw: i'm talking about the one in sarge, but the woody package also had it, I believe |
| 00:14.55 | aiw | Guerin: i am running woody |
| 00:14.55 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: my life is complete now |
| 00:15.04 | dvs | anthonynunez: That's weird. Unless there's a SCSI-to-IDE kernel module or something |
| 00:15.12 | Crell | Guerin: Nope. The dependencies on A are other unrelated packages. |
| 00:15.36 | anthonynunez | dvs: hmm I used sdX last time, I dont know either |
| 00:15.38 | Guerin | Crell: use --force-help and survey your options |
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| 00:15.48 | anthonynunez | dvs: I know for sure I have SATA cables connecting each HD |
| 00:16.03 | Crell | So now you say use force, too. :-) |
| 00:16.07 | anthonynunez | dvs: and when I dpkg -i a kernel, it wont boot it |
| 00:16.26 | Guerin | Crell: i suggested you look at it initially, yeah. |
| 00:16.32 | dvs | anthonynunez: I thought SATA drive showed up as hde, hdf,... |
| 00:16.55 | anthonynunez | dvs: When I installed now it came up as hdg, but now it wont boot either kernel |
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| 00:17.28 | peter__ | Guerin: well i dont have that. how can i get the output of xterm that has scrolled off screen.. is it logged anywhere? |
| 00:17.33 | dvs | anthonynunez: Probably because the config or grub or lilo has to be changed to match it. |
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| 00:17.56 | Guerin | aiw: there should be an example config in /usr/share/doc/apache-ssl/examples |
| 00:17.59 | anthonynunez | dvs: im using grub, Ive changed the boot root= to a bunch of stuff, havent tried hde or hdf though |
| 00:18.15 | Guerin | peter__: shift-pgup? |
| 00:18.16 | dvs | anthonynunez: If it's working, I'd leave it alone. |
| 00:18.18 | Crell | apt-get --force-overwrite install packageA # right? That is the right syntax? |
| 00:18.32 | Overand | what is the list of packages people usually install to get a 'good' x system? |
| 00:18.48 | anthonynunez | dvs: well, I have to upgrade to 2.6 |
| 00:18.52 | Crell | Overand: x-window-system-core xserver-xfree86 (and anything they pull down). |
| 00:19.01 | Crell | Plus the WM/desktop of your choice. |
| 00:19.19 | peter__ | Guerin: no, its no longer visible even if you scroll up |
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| 00:19.23 | aiw | Guerin: apparently i am going to have to move the virtual host listening on port 443 from /etc/apache/httpd.con to /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf then start apache-ssl for it to work under debian woody, every other distro i have used enabled me to do this using one apache |
| 00:19.44 | dvs | anthonynunez: And what does it show up as under 2.6? |
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| 00:20.21 | anthonynunez | dvs: what do you mean? I just booted into the debian install CD and it says my HD I installed linux too is /dev/hdg, and 1 is the bootable part of that HD |
| 00:20.31 | anthonynunez | dvs: Yes, Ive tried that and it dosent work |
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| 00:20.50 | aiw | does anyone here ise debian to host with? |
| 00:21.08 | Crell | Where are downloaded .deb files saved? |
| 00:21.17 | gpm | hi. i'm trying to compile a program and it complains that there is no opengl library, but i have installed nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx, what am i missing? |
| 00:21.27 | Crell | nm, found it. |
| 00:21.27 | dvs | anthonynunez: Booted using "linux26" at the prompt? |
| 00:21.52 | Guerin | aiw: you CAN DO IT |
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| 00:22.05 | anthonynunez | dvs: at grub prompt? |
| 00:22.25 | dvs | anthonynunez: When you first boot the debian install CD |
| 00:22.39 | john | anybody familiar with the cd ripping program, "jack" |
| 00:23.07 | kbs | Have a strange firefox/X issue. I can launch xterms without problems, but launching firefox says : "Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client!" |
| 00:23.07 | dvs | I don't know jack... err... |
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| 00:23.28 | aiw | Guerin: i am sure i can, i am wondering what best practices under debian woody are? run both apache and apache-ssl, run only apache-ssl, or run apache and mod_ssl |
| 00:23.33 | gpm | kbs: i got that too. get rid of your .Xauthority, start X with startx, and it should work fine. |
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| 00:23.59 | gpm | kbs: after that you should be able to fire up firefox if you're using {x|g|k}dm or startx |
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| 00:24.01 | Crell | force-overwrite worked. Now let's see if it complains anywhere else... :-) |
| 00:24.02 | kbs | gpm: hm, I start under xdm. I've gone that route, but not without running xdm |
| 00:24.06 | Guerin | aiw: i recommend only using apache-ssl |
| 00:24.10 | Crell | Thanks Guerin. |
| 00:24.19 | kbs | gpm: weird. Did that then, to no avail. |
| 00:24.20 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/httpd.conf |
| 00:24.20 | gpm | kbs: try killing the .Xauthority and then starting without xdm |
| 00:24.27 | FieldySnuts | heh we're still on this eh |
| 00:24.34 | Guerin | aiw: i'll have my silver platter back when you're done with it |
| 00:24.34 | kbs | gpm: yep, heard you first time :-) tried that, to no avail |
| 00:24.44 | FieldySnuts | !medal Guerin |
| 00:24.44 | aiw | Guerin: so you have no hosts in apache, and it does not run, all your virtual hosts are in apache-ssl only? |
| 00:24.46 | gpm | kbs: sorry. worked for me.. |
| 00:24.50 | lexxan | Anyone know of a keylogger for linux? I think my sister is doing cocaine and I need to see her bank statements |
| 00:24.59 | dvs | ???? |
| 00:25.03 | FieldySnuts | !pal lexxan |
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| 00:25.11 | FieldySnuts | heh someone add that to quotes |
| 00:25.12 | lexxan | !pal FieldySnuts |
| 00:25.21 | lexxan | lol |
| 00:25.28 | cafuego | omfg. is lexxan still here and trolluing, like he was when i went to bed over 8 hours ago? |
| 00:25.29 | Aldar_ | quick newbie question about install of Debian 3.0 r5 |
| 00:25.32 | kbs | gpm: thanks for the tip -- maybe there's something silly I did. Strange that only firefox has that issue, not other X programs [that I tried anyway] |
| 00:25.39 | lexxan | Actually you'll see I just joined |
| 00:25.45 | dvs | Aldar_: Get sarge |
| 00:25.47 | gpm | kbs: check the BTS |
| 00:25.48 | lexxan | I actually did something other than sitting on irc today |
| 00:25.51 | lexxan | unlike you |
| 00:25.56 | kbs | gpm: ok, thanks |
| 00:25.59 | Aldar_ | I just finished burning the 9 CDs |
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| 00:26.12 | Aldar_ | or 3.0 r5 |
| 00:26.17 | aiw | Guerin: i have looked for three days for an explanation of debian's policy on apache and ssl, i have not found a single page explainig their reasoning on this, and the instructions i have foinf to enable mod_ssl simply do not work under woody |
| 00:26.24 | FieldySnuts | lexxan: funny. I worked 10 hours, kiddie. keep trolling please, you'll end up +q |
| 00:26.31 | lexxan | what the hell is +q |
| 00:26.35 | anthonynunez | dvs: looks like it just boots the installer |
| 00:26.36 | FieldySnuts | you'll see |
| 00:26.42 | lexxan | ok |
| 00:26.48 | lexxan | Then i'll change my nick and come on from a shell |
| 00:26.49 | dvs | anthonynunez: With the 2.6 kernel |
| 00:26.51 | lexxan | how does that sound? |
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| 00:27.04 | Aldar_ | when I go to install it anyways it picks up my 200GB S-ATA Hard Drive as only 137.48GB |
| 00:27.05 | insane_coder | I'm trying to install new video drivers, but I'm getting this error: 'trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package xlibmesa-gl', what can I do? |
| 00:27.06 | PerfDave | aiw: What are you going on about "debian's policy on ssl". Use apache-ssl, or apache and libapache-mod-ssl. Job done. |
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| 00:27.10 | dvs | lexxan: They'll ban your IP |
| 00:27.10 | anthonynunez | dvs: sweet |
| 00:27.10 | FieldySnuts | then you'll get banned from freenode, please do it (I hope an op and LoRez sees that) |
| 00:27.19 | anthonynunez | dvs: guess ill just reinstall |
| 00:27.20 | lexxan | Yes because they know of my 10 shells |
| 00:27.21 | ogma | is knoppix based on debian? |
| 00:27.23 | lexxan | and all of their ips |
| 00:27.27 | lexxan | lol |
| 00:27.28 | dvs | anthonynunez: ;-) |
| 00:27.31 | FieldySnuts | use them they'll get em all |
| 00:27.35 | FieldySnuts | i'm begging you, please do it |
| 00:27.35 | lexxan | uh huh |
| 00:27.39 | Guerin | aiw: fucking hell. WHat is hard about this? it works. Use it. That httpd.conf i copied out of my examples dir has the skinny. Apart from anything else - it's just fucking APACHE - it's documented exhaustively well. |
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| 00:27.44 | lexxan | diff ident and nick |
| 00:27.47 | lexxan | i'm sure they'll know. |
| 00:27.49 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: he wants you to do it for him |
| 00:27.57 | FieldySnuts | lexxan: have fun cluebie. |
| 00:28.03 | anthonynunez | dvs: It brought all my drives up as SCSI, and the one I was trying to boot as sdb |
| 00:28.05 | lexxan | I've only been trolling for 10 years |
| 00:28.06 | PerfDave | ogma: Knoppix is based on Debian. It's not supported here, ask on #knoppix. |
| 00:28.08 | lexxan | but i wouldn't know. |
| 00:28.16 | FieldySnuts | you should be a lot better then :) |
| 00:28.16 | dvs | anthonynunez: Good! That's what I expected. |
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| 00:28.25 | ogma | no I was just wondering if it was I don't really need any help |
| 00:28.28 | ogma | thank you |
| 00:28.29 | lexxan | Well since i already have an eggdrop in here |
| 00:28.30 | Aldar_ | how large is Sarge? |
| 00:28.32 | ogma | have a nice night |
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| 00:28.35 | lexxan | I find it hard to eblieve i'm busted |
| 00:28.35 | dvs | anthonynunez: Now it will stay as sdb when you reboot |
| 00:28.43 | cafuego | Aldar_: In between 100Mb and 9Gb |
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| 00:28.53 | flash_muppet | I am trying to get my brother 1430 printer going in debian .. I went to linxuprinting.org after someone refferred me there and downloaded a ppd file hl1250 that was recommended for the printer .. only problem is I dunno what to do with it .. any help appreciated? |
| 00:28.54 | Guerin | i'll gladly do it for him, for the bargain-basement rate of $50/hour |
| 00:28.59 | Aldar_ | I mean the ISOs |
| 00:29.01 | lexxan | and you're still forgeting the fact that I really don't give a fuck about irc like you people do |
| 00:29.03 | FieldySnuts | that is quite cheap for an experienced admin |
| 00:29.04 | cafuego | Aldar_: ... possibly more if you download and store pron. |
| 00:29.07 | wallflower | Darnit debian cant dual boot? |
| 00:29.08 | lexxan | It's called a life. |
| 00:29.09 | FieldySnuts | lexxan: then.. why are you here? |
| 00:29.12 | gpm | hi, i am on debian unstable, i installed nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx, but a program i am trying to compile complains that there is no opengl library, anyone know what else i need? |
| 00:29.14 | cafuego | Aldar_: 14 ISOs at 700Mb each - do the maths ;-) |
| 00:29.15 | Aldar_ | because I need to get a special driver for my NIC |
| 00:29.16 | lexxan | because I was gonna ask a question |
| 00:29.20 | aiw | PerfDave: i have been working on libapache-mod-ssl, but enabling it under woody causes apache to fail to start, so i am looking at apache-ssl now |
| 00:29.22 | lexxan | but you're all such assholes I'll goto another network. |
| 00:29.22 | Guerin | hell, I've got nothing else to do today, all my classes have been cancelled, I'm just sitting in my office wasting space |
| 00:29.22 | cafuego | Aldar_: Or there is a 40Mb tiny iso |
| 00:29.24 | hardcampa- | lexxan behave |
| 00:29.26 | FieldySnuts | lexxan: don't bother now, you've shown yourself to be an ass and probably won't get help. |
| 00:29.32 | FieldySnuts | lexxan: good. bye. |
| 00:29.32 | john | lexxan: Debian linux is life :/ |
| 00:29.33 | Aldar_ | I know the mini/tiny |
| 00:29.39 | Guerin | aiw: it only causes it to fail when you don't fucking set it up right. |
| 00:29.39 | lexxan | lol |
| 00:29.41 | lexxan | bye bye |
| 00:29.41 | kawaiikune | rock on john |
| 00:29.45 | cafuego | Aldar_: The full set is *huge* |
| 00:29.48 | PerfDave | aiw: Only if you don't configure it. |
| 00:29.50 | lexxan | pls don't ban me! noes!!!! |
| 00:29.51 | john | and this is the best debian room on the 'net, but okay. |
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| 00:29.59 | lexxan | anyway i gotta run |
| 00:30.00 | lexxan | later fags |
| 00:30.02 | cafuego | !650 * 14 |
| 00:30.02 | dpkg | 9100 |
| 00:30.06 | Aldar_ | I have 3.0 r5 on CD now it just is not picking up my hard drive proper |
| 00:30.08 | cafuego | nine point one gig |
| 00:30.09 | Guerin | ooh |
| 00:30.14 | Guerin | he called us 'fags' |
| 00:30.14 | john | kawaiikune: :) |
| 00:30.17 | kawaiikune | :-) |
| 00:30.17 | FieldySnuts | "fag" applies to me, really? |
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| 00:30.21 | Aldar_ | 200GB Seagate S-ATA only picking up at 137.48 |
| 00:30.25 | john | lol |
| 00:30.26 | kbs | gpm: thanks. I restarted xdm, and now 'it works for me' too ;-) |
| 00:30.28 | dvs | Aldar_: It won't work |
| 00:30.29 | aiw | PerfDave: well, i have been trying to configure it, and it is behaving oddly |
| 00:30.39 | cafuego | !ops lexxan is eating troll feed (again) |
| 00:30.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: lexxan is eating troll feed (again) |
| 00:30.45 | dvs | Aldar_: Woody is too old |
| 00:30.49 | PerfDave | aiw: Well, read the damn apache documentation. |
| 00:31.13 | FieldySnuts | we all started out new at apache at some point. how did we learn? by reading. we're not gonna do it for you. |
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| 00:31.14 | PerfDave | Uhm, that 137.48 thing sounds like a BIOS limitation rather than anything to do with Woody |
| 00:31.15 | Aldar_ | damnit you mean I just downloaded the 9 ISOs and burned them for nothing? |
| 00:31.21 | kbs | gpm: mine is not to reason why, etc etc, but I'm a happy camper. *wave* |
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| 00:31.31 | cafuego | PerfDave: Depends, woody *is* quite crusty, kernel wise. |
| 00:31.34 | PerfDave | Aldar_: You don't need to download all the ISOs to install it. |
| 00:31.38 | Aldar_ | that is what the debian site sent me to saying it was the most recent stable release |
| 00:31.38 | wallflower | running debian install it says cfdisk cant read current partition table |
| 00:31.42 | dvs | Aldar_: Pretty much. Unless you install on a regular ATA drive |
| 00:31.46 | wallflower | i have winxp and freebsd installed on this disk... |
| 00:31.48 | john | heh |
| 00:31.49 | gpm | kbs: cool |
| 00:31.52 | PerfDave | cafuego: That shouldn't make a difference to the size of disk it can see, though its SATA support is pretty crap. |
| 00:31.53 | cafuego | Aldar_: get the 40Mb sarge iso and check if that sees the entire disk... |
| 00:32.00 | cafuego | PerfDave: 2.4.18 |
| 00:32.01 | john | I just downloaded the first ISO. |
| 00:32.03 | aiw | PerfDaveL i have been running apache for 10 years, and have read the docs, but this new server, which is running debian woody, is not behaving like any other i have used, so I have spent three days looking for answers, and neither google nor anybody else seems to have them, so I am asking here |
| 00:32.07 | cafuego | PerfDave: With an oldish libc6 |
| 00:32.12 | FieldySnuts | aiw: bullshit. |
| 00:32.15 | PerfDave | cafuego: And? |
| 00:32.17 | FieldySnuts | @troll aiw |
| 00:32.21 | dvs | john: And that's all you need (with a good internet connection) |
| 00:32.27 | john | yes |
| 00:32.31 | PerfDave | aiw: *shrug* I've run Apache and mod_ssl on Woody perfectly happily using the standard Apache documentation. |
| 00:32.35 | cafuego | PerfDave: it has other issues that it in theory shouldn't have <heh> |
| 00:32.38 | Aldar_ | not if you need a special non standard NIC driver |
| 00:32.49 | kawaiikune | so, i'm looking for some help with mozilla-thunderbird...whenever i try to run it, it doesn't open, and when i run it in a console, it looks like this: |
| 00:32.49 | kawaiikune | kawaiikune@kawaiikune:~$ mozilla-thunderbird & |
| 00:32.49 | kawaiikune | [1] 16840 |
| 00:32.49 | kawaiikune | kawaiikune@kawaiikune:~$ selected locale: en-US |
| 00:32.49 | kawaiikune | but nothing opens....any ideas? |
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| 00:32.50 | FieldySnuts | get real hardware then |
| 00:32.54 | cafuego | Aldar_: What sort of hardware is it? |
| 00:32.57 | Guerin | aiw: funny. It's always behaved exactly like apache for the tens of thousands of other debian users. |
| 00:33.05 | Guerin | including most of the regs of this channel. |
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| 00:33.18 | Aldar_ | Asus P5GD1 I think(Motherboard) |
| 00:33.29 | dvs | Aldar_: What chipset? |
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| 00:33.43 | goodshit | anyone know what chmod is this -rwx------ |
| 00:33.51 | resiak | goodshit: man chmod ? |
| 00:33.52 | Aldar_ | LGA775 |
| 00:33.52 | FieldySnuts | man chmod, read |
| 00:33.54 | aiw | that's why i am looking here for help, it simply isn't working for me, everything else is wprkin gperfectly |
| 00:33.57 | cafuego | Aldar_: Yeah, that's WAY too new to work properly with woody. |
| 00:33.59 | Guerin | goodshit: you can, if you read info coreutils chmod |
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| 00:34.07 | dvs | Aldar_: That's not a chipset but I'm right |
| 00:34.08 | Aldar_ | I just built it last week |
| 00:34.10 | goodshit | what do you mean?? |
| 00:34.13 | cafuego | Aldar_: get a sarge iso and boot it with the 2.6 kernel. |
| 00:34.16 | goodshit | what chmod is that? please tell me.. |
| 00:34.22 | abrotman | goodshit: man chmod |
| 00:34.25 | FieldySnuts | no, figure it out, we did so can you. man chmod |
| 00:34.35 | FieldySnuts | 5 minutes of reading. |
| 00:34.39 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: actually .. my mom told me about chmod |
| 00:34.40 | FieldySnuts | or 50 of begging. |
| 00:34.42 | cafuego | maybe 7 minutes actually |
| 00:34.45 | goodshit | man my asss!!!! |
| 00:34.48 | Aldar_ | well I gotta go. *wife is calling* |
| 00:34.51 | goodshit | if i understand.. i wouldn't ask |
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| 00:34.55 | goodshit | mf!@#!@#!@#! |
| 00:34.58 | Aldar_ | I will get a sarge ISO |
| 00:34.59 | JosephSpiros | Anyone have any experience using tunnelbroker.net? I'm trying to figure out what exactly I have to put in my /etc/network/interfaces for the tunnel, and I think I'm pretty close, as I can ping6 various ipv6 sites fine, but ping6 to my machine from elsewhere on the net doesn't work, and traceroute6 doesn't work either way... |
| 00:34.59 | FieldySnuts | oh well, have fun |
| 00:35.03 | Aldar_ | thanks for the help |
| 00:35.04 | goodshit | or just RTFM!!!!! |
| 00:35.10 | abrotman | !sing rtfm |
| 00:35.10 | dpkg | Lay down the boogie and Read That Funky Manual or you die. |
| 00:35.10 | FieldySnuts | you said it not us |
| 00:35.12 | cafuego | Aldar_: *nod* your hardware is just too new for woody, 2.6 sarge will work fine. |
| 00:35.34 | Overand | Is there a way to upgrade a specific package? |
| 00:35.45 | cafuego | Overand: apt-get install <package> |
| 00:35.50 | Guerin | Overand: apt-get install package? |
| 00:35.56 | rob_lt | Anyone have a suggestion for my system restore? I just successfully tar.gz'ed my whole / partition, then rm'ed everything, booted a knoppix CD, and switched the order of my swap and / partion. I found one caveat though. |
| 00:35.56 | Overand | hm |
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| 00:36.03 | Overand | won't it just say 'already installed?' |
| 00:36.13 | cafuego | Overand: Not if there is a newer version available. |
| 00:36.14 | abrotman | Overand: not if you apt-get update .. and a newer version is available |
| 00:36.17 | Guerin | Overand: not if there's a newer version |
| 00:36.21 | abrotman | Overand: not if you apt-get update .. and a newer version is available |
| 00:36.24 | Overand | yeah |
| 00:36.25 | Overand | i see |
| 00:36.27 | Overand | just tested it, thanks. |
| 00:36.35 | rob_lt | If knoppix does not have the owner or group of a file when I do the restore, It just changes it to knoppix. How would I get around this? |
| 00:36.39 | insane_coder | how does diverting a file work? |
| 00:36.48 | abrotman | insane_coder: how what ? |
| 00:36.49 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: about this "starting things in a terminal" theory. programs like to complain if you start them from a terminal and then close the terminal. |
| 00:37.18 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: not if you us foo & |
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| 00:37.34 | insane_coder | abrotman, I would like to install new vid drivers, but I'm getting errors how an OpenGL file already exisys |
| 00:37.41 | insane_coder | exists* |
| 00:37.42 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: I beg to differ - try it with xchat. doing it with gaim seems to sign off all accounts, but not quit |
| 00:37.46 | abrotman | insane_coder: nvidia ? |
| 00:37.51 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: if you don't want debug output, you can also use foo 2>&1>/dev/null & |
| 00:37.53 | insane_coder | abrotman, ATI |
| 00:38.08 | dvs | insane_coder: What card? |
| 00:38.08 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: you lie. |
| 00:38.26 | insane_coder | dvs, Radeon 9200 |
| 00:38.33 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: let me try again |
| 00:38.42 | abrotman | isn't 9200 supported via xfree ? |
| 00:38.42 | dvs | insane_coder: Just use the XFree radeon driver |
| 00:38.46 | rob_lt | Guerin, he's right |
| 00:38.48 | cafuego | yes, it is. |
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| 00:39.11 | flash_muppet | I am trying to get my brother 1430 printer going in debian .. I went to linxuprinting.org after someone refferred me there and downloaded a ppd file hl1250 that was recommended for the printer .. only problem is I dunno what to do with it .. any help appreciated? |
| 00:39.12 | Overand | evilsporkman also needs to look at 'screen' |
| 00:39.21 | insane_coder | dvs, the XFree radeon driver doesn't do OpenGL |
| 00:39.23 | Guerin | rob_lt: do you know why? I've never seen this. if a process detaches from the termibnal, it detaches from the damn terminal. |
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| 00:39.27 | wallflower | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/i386/ (which one is sarge rc3/newer? debian-testing- or sarge-) |
| 00:39.30 | abrotman | insane_coder: yes it does |
| 00:39.53 | insane_coder | well if it does, it's certainly not workingfor me |
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| 00:39.57 | Guerin | wallflower: they are synonymous |
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| 00:40.03 | cafuego | insane_coder: How odd, it does here. |
| 00:40.06 | wallflower | the dates arent.... |
| 00:40.25 | wallflower | debain-testing is newer according to the dates |
| 00:40.36 | csy | can anyone help me with an error when im compiling mrtg? http://pastebin.com/288796 |
| 00:40.43 | rob_lt | Guerin, I know it is supposed to, but I've found that not to be 100%. The only sure fire way I know it start the app without &, ctrl-z, and then bg the app. |
| 00:40.43 | anthonynunez | how can I change the installing site when I'm doing an http install? |
| 00:40.44 | insane_coder | cafuego, what kind of frame rates do you get with it? |
| 00:40.48 | timt | Hi guys just need some help, can someone tell me how to install dig?? (dns tool) ? |
| 00:40.55 | cafuego | csy: mrtg is prepackaged and does not require compiling. |
| 00:41.12 | cafuego | insane_coder: I haven't tested, the machine is running OSX Tiger at the moment |
| 00:41.18 | abrotman | insane_coder: glxgears .. what do you get ? |
| 00:41.21 | Guerin | rob_lt: ctrl+z doesn't do exactly the same as &, does it? |
| 00:41.24 | csy | it doesnt seem to be the full package when i apt it? so i was compiling it |
| 00:41.29 | dvs | anthonynunez: Just type it in. What does the prompt say? |
| 00:41.38 | cafuego | csy: That's probably not a good idea. |
| 00:41.45 | anthonynunez | dvs: im at where you pick packages |
| 00:41.58 | csy | well ive got this far ok, its just that problem |
| 00:42.04 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: wasn't lying. -_- |
| 00:42.08 | rob_lt | Guerin, I really don't know, but I'm testing it in another window right now, and with & xchat still closes when I close the terminal, but if I ctrl-z/bg, it doesn't close. |
| 00:42.08 | cafuego | 'apt-cache search mrtg' |
| 00:42.17 | dvs | anthonynunez: I'm not sure if you pick the site before or after that |
| 00:42.19 | csy | yes, i did originally install it that way |
| 00:42.22 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: firefox and xchat both died, and i ran them with the ampersand after |
| 00:42.25 | rob_lt | Guerin, and I've noticed that before. |
| 00:42.29 | csy | but it seems not to include any of the scripts etc. |
| 00:42.30 | Guerin | in any case, the answer is to never close your terminals. with screen, there's no reason to. |
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| 00:42.32 | anthonynunez | dvs: its before |
| 00:42.38 | anthonynunez | dvs: I need to change it |
| 00:42.40 | cafuego | csy: They're in mrtg-contrib |
| 00:42.44 | rob_lt | EvilSporkMan, did you read what I said about ctrl-z and then bg the app? |
| 00:42.45 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: i take it back, then. |
| 00:42.51 | csy | oh..? |
| 00:43.04 | EvilSporkMan | rob_lt: yeah, but that's a nuisance =\ |
| 00:43.08 | rob_lt | true |
| 00:43.08 | cafuego | csy: Hence my 'apt-cache search mrtg' - it lists a serioes of apckages, not just one. |
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| 00:43.29 | dvs | anthonynunez: I thought you can cancel the selections then go back to that section by selecting an item from a list of tasks |
| 00:43.33 | insane_coder | abrotman, 1245 frames in 5.0 seconds = 249.000 FPS |
| 00:43.33 | csy | well, yeah.. but i thought it shud have been included in the basic mrtg package |
| 00:43.42 | burd | hello, I had a few weird things happening while tinkering with wine and for some reason in my user directory I have the .wine dir but it has no modified date and time and i cannot delete it and get a resource busy when I try.. any suggestions on how to remove this thing? |
| 00:43.52 | abrotman | insane_coder: yep .. slow .. did you read the trouble shooting docs at dri.sf.net ? |
| 00:43.56 | EvilSporkMan | rob_lt: I saw it, yeah...i wonder if behaving the way it does should be considered a bug. |
| 00:44.16 | insane_coder | abrotman, no, why would I go to some random site on source forge? |
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| 00:44.45 | abrotman | insane_coder: because that's the site for xfree hardware acceleration |
| 00:44.46 | abrotman | !dri |
| 00:44.46 | dpkg | somebody said dri was Direct Rendering Infrastructure, now available in xfree86 4.0, see http://dri.sourceforge.net , or at #dri, or /join #dri |
| 00:44.59 | abrotman | insane_coder: it's not a random site :) |
| 00:45.18 | insane_coder | abrotman, and you think this would perform better than official drivers? |
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| 00:45.58 | rob_lt | EvilSporkMan, I'm not sure if it is debian specific or not, but for the app to close even when I use a & is not the expected behaviour as far as I'm concerned. |
| 00:46.02 | abrotman | insane_coder: did you install the ATI drivers from ati.com ? |
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| 00:46.38 | EvilSporkMan | rob_lt: any idea under what package to file a bug? xterm? |
| 00:46.38 | insane_coder | abrotman, I'm trying to now, but I get: trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package xlibmesa-gl |
| 00:47.11 | abrotman | insane_coder: your card is supported by the standard xfree driver |
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| 00:47.22 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: it's not a terminal issue, it's a shell/backgrounding issue. It's probably not a bug - i think you should ask one of the People WHo Actually KNows why it happens. |
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| 00:47.32 | abrotman | insane_coder: i've not used any official ATI drivers from thier site .. so i can't help you or tell you if they are better than the xfree drivers |
| 00:47.48 | dabreegster | EvilSporkMan: you have a shell/terminal-related problem? What is it? |
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| 00:47.59 | insane_coder | abrotman, but can you tell me how to get official driver to install when this file already exists? |
| 00:48.04 | rob_lt | EvilSporkMan, I'm not sure that it is a bug though, we might just misunderstand the meaning of & |
| 00:48.25 | abrotman | insane_coder: yes .. man dpkg ... look for the --force options |
| 00:48.37 | EvilSporkMan | dabreegster: running a program in xterm as "foo &" and then closing the xterm causes the program to close. |
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| 00:49.16 | abrotman | insane_coder: though .. i've heard the official drivers are pretty bad .. and you might be better off with the xfree drivers |
| 00:49.45 | EvilSporkMan | dabreegster, rob_lt: however, doing foo & and then quitting the SHELL does NOT cause the program to close. (i.e. exit, ctrl-d) |
| 00:49.58 | flash_muppet | do I need foomatic to run my printer? can I install it with apt-get? |
| 00:50.00 | dabreegster | EvilSporkMan: well, yeah. you could write a simple perl script to fork, i.e. perl -e 'exec("program") unless fork()' |
| 00:50.15 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: wait until dondelelcaro or greycat or someone like that comes in; ask them. |
| 00:50.22 | dabreegster | EvilSporkMan: I dunno, something to do with the controlling terminal maybe. does this program require a input/output? |
| 00:50.32 | rob_lt | EvilSporkMan, ok, it looks like a bug then. I just looked up some info on bg, and it said that using bg is supposed to make the app behave "as though it was started with &", so I would also say it is a bug. |
| 00:50.48 | EvilSporkMan | dabreegster: firefox and xchat both do it. gaim seems to just signoff all accounts, not quit. |
| 00:50.55 | caphuso | EvilSporkMan: use nohup, or configure your shell to behave that way by default |
| 00:51.25 | dabreegster | EvilSporkMan: ah, running GUI programs. Well, I guess they talk to a tty and when their controlling terminal exits, they exit. |
| 00:51.37 | insane_coder | excellent, faster frame rate 1459 frames in 5.0 seconds = 291.800 FPS |
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| 00:51.53 | insane_coder | although now I get this error: ERROR: DDX driver parameter mismatch: got 704 bytes, but expected 832 bytes. |
| 00:52.01 | insane_coder | would I perhaps need to reboot? |
| 00:52.03 | abrotman | insane_coder: that's not working right |
| 00:52.08 | cafuego | insane_coder: Well, we did tell you the closed source ATI driver sucked. |
| 00:52.10 | abrotman | insane_coder: i have a crap Intel card |
| 00:52.12 | EvilSporkMan | dabreegster: ah, but they don't exit if you close the shell instead of the terminal - firefox &, followed by ctrl-d, does NOT quit firefox |
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| 00:52.29 | EvilSporkMan | caphuso: beg pardon? |
| 00:52.30 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: man screen |
| 00:52.35 | insane_coder | cafuego, are you saying because it is closed source it sucks, or are you saying there is a higher performing alternative? |
| 00:52.38 | abrotman | insane_coder: and i get 500fps easily |
| 00:52.38 | dabreegster | EvilSporkMan: I'm not sure. I don't really use GUI programs or xterms. |
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| 00:52.47 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: I know about screen, but it's kind of annoying to be banned from closing terminals |
| 00:52.51 | cafuego | insane_coder: No, it sucks because it is extremely low-quality software. |
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| 00:53.05 | dabreegster | EvilSporkMan: yeah, Guerin's suggestion was good. screen rocks. |
| 00:53.10 | abrotman | insane_coder: and i thnik it used to be higher .. but i don't really care about DRI much .. just that it works .. not tweaking etc |
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| 00:53.21 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: i don't know how you can live without screen anyway |
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| 00:53.26 | dabreegster | EvilSporkMan: and I think there's a program that emulates just screen's detach feature, hangon |
| 00:53.48 | dabreegster | EvilSporkMan: see the detachtty package |
| 00:53.50 | EvilSporkMan | dabreegster: this can't possibly be that big a problem. |
| 00:53.53 | christor | Please is the X is installed by default on debian? |
| 00:54.02 | gravity | christor: No, but you can easily install it |
| 00:54.07 | PerfDave | christor: If you ask it to be during the installation process. |
| 00:54.07 | Guerin | dtach |
| 00:54.12 | cafuego | My laptop's radon mobility gets far more then 200fps though on the free driver, so you probably need a config change somewhere. |
| 00:54.15 | dabreegster | EvilSporkMan: Again, no clue, I'm a console guy. |
| 00:54.48 | dabreegster | Hmm, apt-cache search detach didn't return dtach, but that was what I was thinking of. |
| 00:55.01 | christor | gravity: PerfDave : thx I have no screen so n ot need to isntall it very cool thx |
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| 00:55.27 | doub | hi there |
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| 00:55.46 | EvilSporkMan | maybe if i just keep fluxbox around for fbrun |
| 00:55.49 | Blue_ | christor: apt-get install x-window-system should do it, if its installed it will say NO |
| 00:56.14 | karamelos | HighPingedLPB, can you look at this short kernel compile error and give some advice? http://pastebin.com/288803 |
| 00:57.32 | Guerin | EvilSporkMan: fspanel or fbpanel |
| 00:57.36 | gpm | hi, i am on debian unstable, i installed nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx, but a program i am trying to compile complains that there is no opengl library, anyone know what else i need? |
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| 00:57.43 | Guerin | i'm pretty sure they do what you want! |
| 00:58.07 | abrotman | !tell gpm about nvidia one liner |
| 00:58.09 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin: pretty sure fbpanel doesn't if it's just fluxbox's taskbar |
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| 00:58.34 | christor | Blue_: thx blue |
| 00:58.40 | Khert | how do i find to which package a file belongs? |
| 00:58.53 | dabreegster | Khert: apt-file |
| 00:58.54 | Khert | i keep forgetting it |
| 00:58.56 | karamelos | Khert, with apt-file search |
| 00:58.59 | Khert | k, thnx |
| 00:59.00 | dvs | Kerr: apt-cache search |
| 00:59.00 | cafuego | dpkg -S |
| 00:59.11 | gpm | abrotman: the thing is, glxgears and glxinfo look like nvidia is running fine |
| 00:59.14 | Guerin | since you can bind a keystroke to an arbitrary command (say, fbrun) in openbox, that's also an option |
| 00:59.14 | dvs | oh. yeah |
| 00:59.31 | Kerr | tab abuse is a mortal sin, you know this right? |
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| 00:59.37 | abrotman | gpm: i don't own vidia crap . nor am i familiar with how it wroks .. i just know that factoid works for lots of people |
| 00:59.49 | plop | File compressed with unknown method. Decompression not possible. |
| 01:00.00 | cafuego | plop: woo |
| 01:00.07 | plop | unace e archivo.ave |
| 01:00.11 | plop | unace e archivo.ace |
| 01:00.17 | Guerin | haha |
| 01:00.23 | dabreegster | plop: file foo.whatever |
| 01:00.23 | plop | File compressed with unknown method. Decompression not possible. |
| 01:00.28 | Khert | yeah, otherwise now known as encrypted |
| 01:00.33 | Guerin | get unace from the site - there's a ststic unix binary built there |
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| 01:00.53 | karamelos | can someone help me with this short kernel compilation error http://pastebin.com/288803 |
| 01:00.56 | Guerin | the unace in debian is oldish, but it is free |
| 01:00.58 | cafuego | abrotman: after having avoided nvidia for along time I started using a while ago.. and it's absolutely fine. |
| 01:01.19 | abrotman | cafuego: what is ? |
| 01:01.24 | plop | the site of unace ? |
| 01:01.30 | plop | url ? |
| 01:01.32 | cafuego | abrotman: vidia crap ;-) |
| 01:01.35 | abrotman | cafuego: i don't doubt the capability of the hardware .. it's the driver i mind :) |
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| 01:02.00 | cafuego | abrotman: No that's my point, their driver is fine... and I run afairly cutting edge 2.6.12-X amd64 box. |
| 01:02.17 | abrotman | cafuego: the completely open source drivers? :) |
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| 01:02.29 | plop | the url of ace ? |
| 01:02.30 | cafuego | abrotman: No, the closed ones. |
| 01:02.49 | Warp4 | anyone know if gcc 4.0 is available for download via apt-get? |
| 01:02.50 | abrotman | cafuego: crap :) |
| 01:02.54 | cafuego | abrotman: I wanted a card with open drivers, but the local shop was out of low end radeons. |
| 01:03.01 | abrotman | !info gcc experimental |
| 01:03.14 | Warp4 | !info gcc experimental |
| 01:03.20 | abrotman | cafuego: mine is a built-in intel |
| 01:03.23 | cafuego | abrotman: And at that stage the high end radeons 1) weren't supported and 20 didn't have an amd64 driver. |
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| 01:03.24 | abrotman | Warp4: not there |
| 01:03.27 | Warp4 | !info pine |
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| 01:03.32 | Warp4 | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 01:03.47 | cafuego | abrotman: I'd rather used closed drivers than intel branded hardware <heh> |
| 01:03.51 | Warp4 | and it looks like i will have to download and build pine myself :) |
| 01:03.57 | Warp4 | shouldn't be too hard :) |
| 01:04.00 | pipegeek | Hi folks. I'm running sarge/sid. I'm trying to get ndiswrapper to compile, using a kernel compiled from the debian kernel-source-2.6.11 package. I get an error in misc_funcs.c at line 933, followed by a long list of errors in misc_funcs_exports.h (each of which is made up of two errors: '_some_function' undeclared here (not a function) and initializer element is not a constant). |
| 01:04.04 | pipegeek | Googling has been useless |
| 01:04.10 | Warp4 | just run sparc32 ./configure then make :) |
| 01:04.14 | Warp4 | !info gmake |
| 01:04.21 | pipegeek | and this is driving me crazy. I've been able to compile this with previous kernels. |
| 01:04.27 | pipegeek | Anybody have a clue? |
| 01:04.27 | abrotman | hr m.. detroit or mineapolis |
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| 01:04.32 | dabreegster | Warp4: maybe just !gmake? |
| 01:04.40 | abrotman | cafuego: works fine .. and my drivers are free :) |
| 01:04.50 | dvs | pipegeek: What is your previous and current kernel |
| 01:04.50 | pipegeek | I'm using the ndiswrapper-source package from debian, and using module-assistant. |
| 01:04.52 | abrotman | !tell Warp4 about pine |
| 01:05.02 | cafuego | gmake == 'make' on linux systems. ln -sf /usr/local/bin/gmake /usr/bin/make |
| 01:05.06 | EvilSporkMan | mmmkay it's fluxbox time |
| 01:05.13 | cafuego | abrotman: Yes, but it's intel. |
| 01:05.22 | pipegeek | dvs: previous: 2.6.11.3 from kernel.org, current 2.6.11.something from debian/sid as of a few nights ago |
| 01:05.31 | abrotman | cafuego: but yours is nvidia :) |
| 01:05.32 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.39 | cafuego | abrotman: And you don't often get intel gfx chips on non-intel-cpu mobos. |
| 01:05.41 | nn | ncurses or equivilent a must have |
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| 01:05.44 | abrotman | cafuego: i don't mind intel stuff .. the wifi card they made for my laptop is great |
| 01:05.49 | Guerin | nn: cplay |
| 01:05.51 | PerfDave | nn: There are no good console mp3 players. mp3blaster is about the best you'll get. |
| 01:05.53 | cafuego | abrotman: ... and tell will freeze over before I run a p4. |
| 01:05.57 | dvs | pipegeek: and they use the same .config? |
| 01:05.57 | cafuego | hell too |
| 01:06.01 | abrotman | cafuego: heh |
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| 01:06.11 | gravity | People seem to like cplay |
| 01:06.12 | dabreegster | nn: mp3blaster |
| 01:06.14 | abrotman | cafuego: i like IBM laptops .. they use Intel .. guess that's what im' stuck with |
| 01:06.17 | Guerin | nn: make sure to hit h for ui help - it's not very informative onsceen |
| 01:06.20 | cafuego | notable exception to that rule being IF apple go x86 |
| 01:06.26 | pipegeek | dvs: nearly. I added one patch and enabled it: mppe |
| 01:06.30 | Guerin | mpl3blaster is appalling |
| 01:06.42 | dabreegster | nn: You interested in playing a set of songs, pausing them to quickly hear a new tune that just finished downloading, then resuming the first set? Cause I |
| 01:06.52 | pipegeek | dvs: actually, no--this didn't work when I tried to compile without the patch, either |
| 01:06.58 | resiak | Can anyone remember what has to be d-r'd to set the sound wrapper for Mozillaish plugins? |
| 01:06.59 | Guerin | and doesn't play most formats, unlike cplay, which play anything you can decode to wave |
| 01:07.04 | dabreegster | nn: I'm writing a Perl app to handle multiple song queues. A console frontend will be made. |
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| 01:07.27 | nn | dabreegster: sure why not |
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| 01:07.41 | nn | dabreegster: ahh that's the one i used to use |
| 01:07.48 | abrotman | yay .. turboprop service! |
| 01:07.50 | dabreegster | nn: Well, it's not quite stable yet, but when it's ready I'll release it |
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| 01:07.58 | nn | Now another debian package from like 3.0r3.. it was an ncurses wifi scanner, very nice |
| 01:08.05 | resiak | dabreegster: Build it on top of mpd ! |
| 01:08.08 | dabreegster | nn: There's an app that does this already? Btw, are you a programmer? Interested in helping? |
| 01:08.10 | nn | it had GPS capabs and suhc |
| 01:08.13 | cafuego | nn: kismet, yes. |
| 01:08.16 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:08.22 | nn | cafuego: i don't think it was kismet.. it was ncurses |
| 01:08.28 | nn | and pre-kismet |
| 01:08.28 | cafuego | !lart nn |
| 01:08.32 | dabreegster | resiak: Nah. I don't want to mess with existing code. |
| 01:08.36 | pipegeek | dvs: any idea? I've been trying this for the last week |
| 01:08.36 | dabreegster | nn: perl |
| 01:08.48 | dvs | pipegeek: nope. sorry |
| 01:08.55 | Guerin | fuckinghell |
| 01:09.00 | xydarcher | how to upgrade the package i choosed? |
| 01:09.01 | nn | dabreegster: don't remember really any perl nowadays :( been all C, asm, and php lately |
| 01:09.02 | Guerin | what a woft today is going to be |
| 01:09.04 | dabreegster | resiak: Basically it'd launch multiple instances of mpd/moosic/whatever and always use the most 'recent' one for commands and stuff |
| 01:09.17 | resiak | dabreegster: Ah, okay. |
| 01:09.22 | Guerin | whee, BSOD |
| 01:09.30 | nn | cafuego: trying to see if it's still around, that's all :) |
| 01:09.35 | dabreegster | nn: Oh, well, that's cool. Perl is just right for this task. |
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| 01:09.42 | dvs | Guerin: On Debian? I'm impressed! ;-) |
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| 01:09.51 | Guerin | dvs: on w98 :( |
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| 01:09.54 | nn | i had very good success with a card i've not found to work so well in other apps of the type |
| 01:10.02 | dabreegster | dvs: there's a BSOD X screensaver |
| 01:10.15 | nn | hah |
| 01:10.17 | Guerin | dabreegster: it's 1337 |
| 01:10.17 | nn | this is cool |
| 01:10.21 | dvs | I want a GURU Mediation screensaver |
| 01:10.30 | dabreegster | I've been looking for one for the console. |
| 01:10.39 | pipeline | dvs: The "BSOD" 'hack' for xscreensaver includes a guru meditation error. |
| 01:10.42 | dabreegster | dvs: mediation? meditation, you mean? |
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| 01:10.50 | Guerin | dvs: it does that too. Most any os's 'i'm fucked' error screens are in there. |
| 01:10.53 | nn | computer, weight benchs, and LCD projector in the formerly just weight room, now Indoor Training Area :) |
| 01:11.02 | dvs | dabreegster: Yes, that. |
| 01:11.03 | cafuego | wtf is sarge insisting on installing apache-common? |
| 01:11.17 | nn | Guerin: I still like the one i had for a while in my kernel i was working on with some friends ;) |
| 01:11.31 | geppy | If cdparanoia is choking on a CD, but gnome-cd works with the CD, what would be a good way to rip the CD? |
| 01:11.49 | dabreegster | dvs: Meditative screensaver? Like psychedelia and stuff? cthugha. |
| 01:11.57 | Guerin | hrm, something just started beeping in this lab |
| 01:11.59 | dabreegster | dvs: also acidwarp and razzle |
| 01:12.08 | Guerin | BSOD, then beeping... coincidence? |
| 01:12.16 | indole | I've plugged in an additional hard drive, but can't seem to find it. Is there a way of determining which device it could be? |
| 01:12.27 | Guerin | indole: dmesg |
| 01:12.33 | dabreegster | Guerin: It's only a coincidence the first 3 times. |
| 01:12.46 | Guerin | dabreegster: heh |
| 01:12.55 | cafuego | How odd, apache-common insists it needs to be installed, yet can be purged without depend issues. |
| 01:13.08 | dabreegster | Guerin: Which is exactly why I get freaked out every time I see 9:11 on a clock at night, because that happens all too often. |
| 01:13.12 | Guerin | cafuego: i think abrotman saw this problem last night |
| 01:13.17 | Guerin | haha |
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| 01:13.29 | christor | Please I would like to do a raid 0 on a debian system on a machine in prod (is it dangerous?) |
| 01:13.40 | daxal | dabreegster: it's time to change your clock ;) |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | cafuego: yeppers .. stupid depends :) |
| 01:13.46 | cafuego | Guerin: Yeah... it also claims it replaced apache2-utils... |
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| 01:14.04 | dvs | christor: RAID 0 is inheritanly dangerous |
| 01:14.09 | dabreegster | daxal: Nah, the clock is fine. I always happen to glance up from dinner at 9:11. It irks me. |
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| 01:14.12 | Guerin | cafuego: worked fine for me a couple days back. |
| 01:14.31 | indole | Guerin: Aha, found it! |
| 01:14.36 | Chambers` | hi guys, is there a gui for par2 and parchive? I'm trying to go full debian and am trying to find a graphical equivalent to quickpar for windows |
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| 01:14.48 | cafuego | Guerin: Yes, it was fine here too; the apache2 updates on 16/5 and 19/5 didn't have issues |
| 01:15.00 | dabreegster | Hmm, can anybody recommend a good free web host? |
| 01:15.06 | Guerin | oh wait, i only have apachwe1 |
| 01:15.11 | Guerin | dabreegster: no such thing |
| 01:15.18 | Khert | oh, does "apt-file search" look only in packages on my system, or all available packages? |
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| 01:15.28 | daxal | dabreegster: http://127.0.0.1/ |
| 01:15.38 | dabreegster | Guerin: Curse it. I can't afford to pay to host my console customization-related site. |
| 01:15.39 | gravity | Khert: All available packages |
| 01:15.40 | nomed | :D |
| 01:15.47 | Khert | k, thnx gravity |
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| 01:15.52 | dabreegster | daxal: I'm on a 28k dialup connection. Unlikely. |
| 01:15.58 | christor | dvs: my question is : the installation of the raid 0 on a machine in prod is it dangerous?? the machine I would like to do that is already backup using rsync |
| 01:16.24 | indole | dmesg indicates that my additional hard drive should be /dev/hdc/ . However, when I attempt to run fdisk, I get 'Unable to open /dev/hdc' |
| 01:16.26 | christor | dvs: or may be the configuration of the raid 0 on a machine... |
| 01:16.30 | gravity | Khert: To search just the files on your system try dpkg -S |
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| 01:16.34 | dvs | christor: RAID 0 is dangerous. You're spreading yourself thin. If one drive goes down, you're toast! |
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| 01:17.17 | nn | dabreegster: how big is it? |
| 01:17.29 | nn | dabreegster: the site |
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| 01:17.39 | daxal | dvs: does raid 10 count? :) |
| 01:17.45 | dabreegster | nn: the site? Not huge. Only HTML stuff. No images. |
| 01:17.46 | tcsetattr | indole, don't put a slash on the end of /dev/hdc |
| 01:17.50 | dvs | dvs: 10 is OK ;-) |
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| 01:18.12 | nn | dabreegster: email sales@nexiant.net with username and pass and i'll set up a vdir :) |
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| 01:18.47 | dabreegster | nn: alright, thanks. I'm not ready to launch the site yet (I'm still writing content) but thanks. |
| 01:18.54 | nn | dabreegster: np |
| 01:19.23 | nn | dabreegster: just put a little reminder about what it was and that you talked to me on irc and i can put it up within 2 hours of seeing the email |
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| 01:19.44 | techlife | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.55 | abrotman | nn: two hours ? .. you slow poke ! |
| 01:19.59 | dabreegster | nn: alright |
| 01:20.07 | abrotman | techlife: dpkg -l | grep azur |
| 01:20.15 | nn | abrotman: that's maximum possible turn around after i see it :) |
| 01:20.27 | abrotman | nn: you're so slow :) |
| 01:20.29 | nn | usually is under 20 minutes :) |
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| 01:20.34 | cafuego | I didn't think azureus was packaged as deb |
| 01:20.52 | techlife | abrotman, shouldn't it show me all the versions installed? |
| 01:20.54 | indole | tcsetattr: I get the same result with or without a trailing slash. |
| 01:21.01 | abrotman | techlife: yep |
| 01:21.18 | abrotman | cafuego: neither did i :) |
| 01:21.19 | techlife | it's only showing one version but i have three versions installed |
| 01:21.20 | dabreegster | nn: It's a site about mostly customizing the linux console, shell, etc. and programming, plus a blog-style journal and stuff I've written. |
| 01:21.27 | abrotman | techlife: installed from source ? |
| 01:21.34 | techlife | nope |
| 01:21.49 | abrotman | techlife: perhaps they .. upgraded |
| 01:22.06 | techlife | works for me...thanks |
| 01:22.31 | Guerin | wheee |
| 01:22.32 | abrotman | cafuego: i was just answering the question he asked .. regardless of whether or not it's packaged :) |
| 01:22.33 | Guerin | hometime |
| 01:23.06 | bates | having problems with an ati rage 128 in xfree. |
| 01:23.19 | abrotman | define .. problems |
| 01:24.44 | pipegeek | interesting. Used the version on ndiswrapper.sf.net/debian, and it worked fine. Should I file a bug on the version in debian? |
| 01:24.58 | abrotman | if you can reproduce/define the problem |
| 01:25.14 | pipegeek | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 01:26.40 | indole | i amtyyping just because you think it is hot now come make out withh |
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| 01:27.23 | bates | anyone had a "no screens" error with ati cards? |
| 01:27.50 | dvs | bates: Look for "(EE)" in your /var/log/XFree86.0.log file |
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| 01:28.47 | xydarcher | hi,how to upgrade the package specified? |
| 01:28.53 | bates | tnx |
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| 01:30.09 | bates | dvs: heh, that only said "Error" |
| 01:30.27 | dvs | bates: Look for the next occurance |
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| 01:31.23 | bates | looks like theres only one occurance in the log file... |
| 01:31.38 | dvs | bates: What's before "No Screens Found"? |
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| 01:32.07 | flash_muppet | can someone point me in the right direction to get my brother 1430 printer going on debian? |
| 01:32.19 | pacmac | lo |
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| 01:33.07 | pacmac | someone who can help me with qmail-scanner? |
| 01:33.08 | pacmac | May 24 03:08:14 localhost X-Qmail-Scanner-1.25: [covadonga11168968944936432] cannot open /var/spool/qmailscan/qmail-scanner-queue-version.txt - did you initialise the system by running "qmail-scanner-queue.pl -z"? - Permission denied |
| 01:33.16 | gravity | flash_muppet: Install cupsys. If you use gnome install gnome-cups-manager and run it. If you use kde use whatever the kde cups thingy is. |
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| 01:33.16 | pacmac | -rwxrwxrwx 1 qscand root 44 May 24 02:49 /var/spool/qmailscan/qmail-scanner-queue-version.txt |
| 01:33.24 | cafuego | Hint: qmail sucks |
| 01:33.29 | bob2 | tarzeau: fairly hard,unless you want a blah.id.au one |
| 01:33.52 | flash_muppet | gravity: I am using fluxbox so does that make any difference? |
| 01:33.53 | bob2 | tarzeau: companies and associations needs to be registered with the federal government to get .net.au, .com.au or .asn.au or .org.au |
| 01:33.56 | bob2 | gravity: aloha |
| 01:33.57 | gravity | flash_muppet: Not really. |
| 01:34.00 | bates | dvs: oh...it said, "no devices detected" |
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| 01:34.09 | gravity | flash_muppet: If you want, you can use the cups web interface. It works fine. |
| 01:34.19 | flash_muppet | gravity: thanks |
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| 01:34.22 | gravity | flash_muppet: You'll have to look at the cups docs to figure out what port it's on, I forget |
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| 01:34.38 | dvs | bates: What does it say before that? I'm guessing it can't find a driver for your video card. |
| 01:34.38 | daxal | netstat -tap |
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| 01:34.40 | gravity | I like the gnome one quite a bit, and I'm sure the kde one is great too |
| 01:34.44 | flash_muppet | thats a start in the right direction thanks |
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| 01:35.45 | bates | dvs: R128: No matchin Device instance for selection |
| 01:36.21 | XXL | Can someone please tell me how much different in terms of ssh commands, overall operating system Debian is from Centos / Fedora? |
| 01:36.29 | dvs | bates: So I doesn't recognize what video card you're using. You can try the "vesa" driver |
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| 01:36.59 | bates | i tried the vesa driver, but if i use high resolution it goes on the blink |
| 01:37.01 | daxal | XXL: as in ssh itself? |
| 01:37.02 | bates | :> |
| 01:37.06 | sjwalter | is there any debian package for opengl headers? |
| 01:37.12 | sjwalter | or, opengl source or something? |
| 01:37.14 | dvs | bates: How high is high resolution? |
| 01:37.15 | Sardukar | i'm sorry |
| 01:37.18 | XXL | yes daxal |
| 01:37.21 | sjwalter | im trying to compile freaking projectM |
| 01:37.22 | Sardukar | i have the notebook blocked |
| 01:37.25 | sjwalter | and it's all screwey |
| 01:37.39 | Sardukar | for reboot the pc? |
| 01:37.41 | daxal | XXL: not much as far as I'd imagine. why? |
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| 01:37.49 | XXL | if i wanted ot get into debian, would it be a whole new arena for me? |
| 01:37.51 | belracu | where can i get help on REDBOOT ? |
| 01:37.59 | XXL | basically i use centos / fedora with cpanel |
| 01:38.03 | cafuego | !eurovisionsmite bob2 |
| 01:38.14 | bates | dvs: it has to go down to 800x600 not to get screwed up |
| 01:38.29 | daxal | XXL: oh that. well debian uses .deb's whereas fedora/redhat etc use rpm. it's all linux, but the package management would be different. |
| 01:38.42 | bates | dvs: it blinks on and off... |
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| 01:38.55 | prock | XXL: package management in debian is a dream compared to rpms. |
| 01:39.07 | XXL | ok thank you. |
| 01:40.19 | daxal | XXL: yea, no more dependency upgrade hellish nightmares! |
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| 01:40.43 | daxal | that's all he wanted? weird.. |
| 01:41.12 | prock | funny how ssh would make the difference in his distro choice |
| 01:41.47 | dabreegster | I smell a plot! No, wait, that's just the total lack of food. |
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| 01:43.14 | dvs | bates: And you are using the ATI driver? |
| 01:43.15 | stupid_user | what should i do with kopete so that it works with msn protocol? about a week ago it sotped working for some reason. sniffed packets say that i should download a msn messenger from microsoft :/ |
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| 01:43.50 | dvs | stupid_user: Microsoft probably changed their protocol again. |
| 01:44.35 | daxal | stupid_user: I'm having the same issue with psi's msn transport. |
| 01:44.39 | chealer | stupid_user: ask #debian-kde |
| 01:44.39 | stupid_user | dvs that is what i figured |
| 01:44.41 | ethics | stupid-user.....wait for an upgrade...MSN Messenger 7 beta has new codes etc so old code wont work right ...everyones being forced to upgrade |
| 01:44.42 | daxal | psi/jabber/ |
| 01:44.44 | indole | centericq seems to handle the new MSN protocol fine... Perhaps upgrade to a new version of kopete? |
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| 01:45.14 | csy | can anyone guide me through setting up mrtg? i seem to be having ridiculous problems |
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| 01:45.35 | daxal | csy: hire an engineer instead. ;) |
| 01:45.42 | daxal | hehe jk! |
| 01:45.48 | csy | if i had the money :p |
| 01:46.00 | csy | its a good learning curve anyway |
| 01:46.13 | csy | u know much about instaslling it daxal? |
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| 01:46.19 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:46.19 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:46.22 | eeyore- | csy: besides MRTG has been replaced by RRDB |
| 01:46.35 | abrotman | eeyore-: want some honey ? |
| 01:46.45 | eeyore- | csy: or, more specifically, try CACTI + RRDB |
| 01:47.04 | indole | I have installed an additional hard drive, but am unable to mount it. It seems to show up in dmesg, so is apparently functional on some level. What should I do as my next troubleshooting step? |
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| 01:47.18 | dvs | indole: fdisk -l |
| 01:47.27 | abrotman | !mrtg |
| 01:47.27 | dpkg | mrtg is probably old, use rrdtools instead. Check out http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html and RRDTOOL is at http://www.uni-ulm.de/~rbawidam/mrtg-rrd/ |
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| 01:47.39 | tcsetattr | indole try cat /proc/partitions too |
| 01:48.04 | csy | 2nd link doesnt exist |
| 01:48.20 | csy | nm i got it |
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| 01:48.41 | MikeH_ | lo guys, got a problem, I changed an IP wrongly on one of my machines, now I've managed to change another machine to that subnet, I can ping it, ssh tries to connect, but after accepting the RSA key it hangs |
| 01:48.45 | MikeH_ | and then times out |
| 01:48.47 | MikeH_ | any idea? |
| 01:49.01 | daxal | http://www.uni-ulm.de/~rbawidam/mrtg-rrd/ is 404 :( |
| 01:49.07 | indole | fdisk -l returns nothing; /proc/partitions shows info on my primary drive, but nothing on the new one. |
| 01:49.13 | dabreegster | archive.org |
| 01:49.20 | daxal | humm yea |
| 01:49.27 | dvs | indole: I'm betting the new drive isn't partitioned. |
| 01:49.39 | mtnman | indole: fdisk -l /dev/hdb |
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| 01:51.03 | cmatheson | what's the symbolic link /etc/X11/X supposed to point to? |
| 01:51.03 | csy | hmm eeyore-: cacti runs off mysql? |
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| 01:51.19 | tcsetattr | even an unpartitioned disk will show in /proc/partitions |
| 01:51.36 | dvs | cmatheson: Mine says /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
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| 01:51.45 | rr72 | hey all |
| 01:51.57 | cmatheson | dvs: thanks |
| 01:52.03 | eeyore- | csy: yep |
| 01:52.08 | csy | bad :( |
| 01:52.23 | eeyore- | csy: it's just mysql for the UI/layout stuff |
| 01:52.27 | indole | mtnman: returns nothing. |
| 01:52.28 | eeyore- | csy: the data itself is RRD |
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| 01:52.39 | csy | if only my mysql worked :x |
| 01:52.49 | tcsetattr | indole, grep . /proc/ide/hd?/driver |
| 01:52.53 | eeyore- | csy: you mean you can't get mysql to work on your computer either? :-p |
| 01:52.56 | csy | infact..if only i had a working server :) |
| 01:53.00 | eeyore- | csy: *what* can you get to work? :-) |
| 01:53.04 | csy | apache! |
| 01:53.05 | csy | :P |
| 01:53.11 | indole | tcsetattr: ide-disk version 1.17 |
| 01:53.41 | eeyore- | csy: dude man, you gotta find out why things that work perfectly well for other people don't work for you |
| 01:54.03 | rr72 | is there a seen bot? |
| 01:54.06 | tcsetattr | indole, only one of them? |
| 01:54.06 | csy | well..for starters my lack of experience with linux :) |
| 01:54.11 | abrotman | !seen rr72 |
| 01:54.12 | dpkg | rr72 is currently on #debian (3m 3s). Has said a total of 347 messages. Is idling for 8s |
| 01:54.17 | rr72 | k |
| 01:54.18 | rr72 | thx |
| 01:54.27 | rr72 | !seen masoft |
| 01:54.27 | dpkg | masoft <~masoft@217.164.249.114> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1h 57m 53s ago, saying: 'I must go, it's 4 am here. bye friends'. |
| 01:54.39 | abrotman | rr72: /msg dpkg seen blah |
| 01:54.39 | rr72 | !seen fixionin |
| 01:54.39 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'fixionin', rr72 |
| 01:54.44 | eeyore- | !seen elvis |
| 01:54.44 | rr72 | k |
| 01:54.44 | dpkg | elvis <elvismujic@200.109.85.75> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 227d 6h 49m 47s ago, saying: 'this chat is very full'. |
| 01:54.53 | abrotman | !seen g4lt |
| 01:54.53 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 229d 1h 18m 12s ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 01:54.54 | abrotman | :( |
| 01:55.12 | indole | tcsetattr: Only one shows up. |
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| 01:55.28 | eeyore- | that's quite a database dpkg has :-) |
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| 01:56.41 | abrotman | !tell eeyore- about your factoids |
| 01:56.47 | abrotman | eeyore-: he remembers a lot |
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| 02:01.49 | ratifers | noite |
| 02:01.56 | rj` | anyone know of a boot cdron that starts up vncclient automatically -- or querys a gdm server |
| 02:02.08 | rj` | pererale the xdmcp way.. |
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| 02:06.07 | Tabitha | Hi all.. I'd like to install mysql-server on woody from backports.org... is there a way to add an entry for backports.org so that other backported packages hosted there wont' replace the packages on my system? |
| 02:06.23 | pipeline | Tabitha: Google for "apt-pinning for beginners" |
| 02:06.36 | Raf256 | hi there |
| 02:06.43 | pipeline | Tabitha: Follow their instructions, only you want to pin on origin instead of release -- "o=foo" instead of "a=foo" |
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| 02:07.02 | pipeline | Tabitha: e.g. "o=http.us.debian.org" |
| 02:07.26 | Raf256 | I have windoze on hdb (with its MBR in hdb1) and debian on hda (with boot in hda1). Can I add to grub option to boot winxp from second disc? |
| 02:07.28 | W3BMAST3R1 | Why does #Debian ban AOL users? |
| 02:07.54 | Ronin | W3BMAST3R1: common sense? |
| 02:07.57 | daxal | why do you think #debian bans them? |
| 02:08.02 | Tabitha | so something like... Package: mysql-server\nPin: release o=backports.org\nPin-Priority: 700? |
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| 02:08.07 | dabreegster | I can't wait to hear an answer for this. |
| 02:08.20 | W3BMAST3R1 | I havent a clue. |
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| 02:08.35 | Ronin | W3BMAST3R1: so then why ask we ban them? |
| 02:08.35 | pipeline | Raf256: Yes. Just set the root to windows boot partition and use the "chainloader +1" directive |
| 02:09.09 | daxal | works for me. :) |
| 02:09.09 | W3BMAST3R1 | What is the common sense reason? |
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| 02:09.33 | pipeline | W3BMAST3R1: No one with a brain uses AOL. |
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| 02:09.39 | pipeline | W3BMAST3R1: AOL is only available for windows. |
| 02:09.44 | daxal | W3BMAST3R1: time after time they don't follow any rules and expect us to read their mind and hold their hand on everything? |
| 02:09.51 | Raf256 | pipeline- so like: root (hd1,0) makeactive chainloader +1 ? hd(1,0) is the first partition of primary slave? win MBR is in 1st partition of it |
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| 02:10.03 | W3BMAST3R1 | umm... what about the people who route internet traffic through a windows computer? |
| 02:10.10 | pipeline | Raf256: I don't think you want "makeactive" |
| 02:10.14 | Raf256 | ok |
| 02:10.19 | gravity | Since when does #debian ban AOL users? |
| 02:10.20 | pipeline | W3BMAST3R1: Anyone who does that is clearly lacking a brain. |
| 02:10.33 | W3BMAST3R1 | or hasint a choice |
| 02:10.33 | daxal | W3BMAST3R1: what about them? |
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| 02:10.45 | pipeline | W3BMAST3R1: Windows has no routing capabilities without Microsoft ISA Server. Nobody who has enough money to legitimately buy ISA Server idles in #debian :P |
| 02:10.55 | W3BMAST3R1 | no wonder Debianites are moving to gentoo |
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| 02:11.04 | daxal | troll |
| 02:11.06 | Raf256 | W3BMAST3R1- AOL discriminate us so we are returning the f faver |
| 02:11.07 | chealer | hah, gunny one |
| 02:11.07 | sparr_ | my computer seems to be confused about which files exist and which dont. help? http://rafb.net/paste/results/VLOnht78.html |
| 02:11.12 | eeyore- | w3bmast3: why in $diety's name would you route anything through windows if you had alternatives? |
| 02:11.13 | chealer | funny one |
| 02:11.14 | gravity | Troll and liar. |
| 02:11.17 | daxal | he left |
| 02:11.26 | Tabitha | pipeline: Actually, windows 2000/xp will route internet connections natively using "Internet Connection Sharing" -- Me might have had it too. |
| 02:11.31 | Raf256 | lets +b him \o/ |
| 02:11.32 | chealer | l33t gent00 tr0ll |
| 02:11.35 | pipeline | Tabitha: Internet Connection Sharing is a sick joke. |
| 02:11.49 | Tabitha | pipeline: Be that as it may, it doesn't require ISA Server |
| 02:11.52 | pipeline | Tabitha: You would have to be honestly suffering from brain damage to put a Windows machine on the internet with ICS. |
| 02:11.54 | eeyore- | chealer: hey! |
| 02:12.06 | chealer | eeyore-: hey... :-P |
| 02:12.09 | pipeline | Tabitha: That's just begging for it. Especially over dial-up (hahah no patches) |
| 02:12.10 | nn | there's free software for windows to do that |
| 02:12.16 | eeyore- | chealer: i use gentoo, so there! :-) |
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| 02:12.19 | nn | but why? |
| 02:12.19 | antiPoP | hi |
| 02:12.24 | Raf256 | wht was the /etf/cfstab option for read-only access again? ro ? |
| 02:12.33 | pipeline | eeyore-: Why don't you go un-emerge PAM, then :P |
| 02:12.41 | antiPoP | how can i change the instalation packges source??? |
| 02:12.53 | Raf256 | it is probably a good idea to have fstab for /boot with op[tions: ro,nodev,noexec,noatime? |
| 02:12.56 | daxal | pipeline: cute. :P |
| 02:13.01 | eeyore- | pipeline: go strip /lib/* |
| 02:13.04 | pipeline | antiPoP: apt-setup |
| 02:13.06 | chealer | eeyore-: wow, does it come with a troll filter now? :-P |
| 02:13.38 | daxal | Raf256: is your drive+bios pre lba? if not, don't bother with /boot at all. |
| 02:13.47 | prock | Raf256: why noatime? |
| 02:13.56 | antiPoP | pipeline: thanks :) |
| 02:14.01 | eeyore- | prock: wastes time updating atime? |
| 02:14.09 | Raf256 | prock a slighty faster working? |
| 02:14.20 | daxal | trivial for /boot |
| 02:14.23 | eeyore- | prock: atime is not something you use on a regular basis ... |
| 02:14.38 | eeyore- | prock: mtime is "good enough" for many people |
| 02:14.42 | daxal | it wasted more time to type that in then you saved using it |
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| 02:15.03 | daxal | esp for /boot :) |
| 02:15.04 | prock | right, the time you're going to save with it is pretty miniscule methinks |
| 02:15.17 | prock | daxal lol |
| 02:15.24 | eeyore- | prock: it's also handy for flash media .... |
| 02:15.31 | daxal | humm |
| 02:15.35 | daxal | which reminds me |
| 02:15.37 | eeyore- | prock: you don't want go atime-happy there.... |
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| 02:15.40 | Raf256 | is there any chance of windoze bug (entire hdb disc is winxp) can damage my linux data on hdc ? |
| 02:15.49 | prock | eeyore-: I asked 'why noatime' not 'what noatime' |
| 02:15.51 | Raf256 | ...and how to protect against it perhaps |
| 02:16.08 | Raf256 | a/bug/virus&troyan |
| 02:16.12 | Raf256 | s/bug/virus&troyan |
| 02:16.17 | prock | Raf256: if windows destroys your linux install I doubt it's a 'bug' |
| 02:16.23 | rr72 | lmao |
| 02:16.25 | rr72 | ha |
| 02:16.32 | eeyore- | Raf256: you've got something writing to disks .... stuff happens |
| 02:16.32 | j_k | Raf256: well don't boot windows and you're out of trouble.. |
| 02:17.05 | daxal | just don't run everything as administrator^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hroot and you're fine. ;) |
| 02:17.09 | Raf256 | j_k- but whilest Im botted in my game console professional, I want my /dev/HDC with linux stuff to be safe |
| 02:17.10 | eeyore- | Raf256: there's no real way to prevent corruption, writing outside of partitions etc. if you suspect a corrupted code ... |
| 02:17.20 | prock | Raf256: but no, there's no way to protect your linux install against a hostile OS (windows, BSD, or other linux install) |
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| 02:17.29 | guestish | is there any fast way to apply a series of patches? |
| 02:17.37 | daxal | use a removeable drive |
| 02:17.40 | Raf256 | I could hardware disconnect hdc before booting windoze but its not so comfortable |
| 02:17.50 | eeyore- | Raf256: put it on a separate disk (physical disk) and disable its controller if you don't need it |
| 02:18.01 | gravity | guestish: Just once or multiple times during development? |
| 02:18.04 | Raf256 | eeyore-- mhm exacly, I do have it on separate disc |
| 02:18.05 | dondelelcaro | guestish: like for a in $(ls *.diff); do patch -p0 -f $a; done; |
| 02:18.09 | rr72 | aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 02:18.21 | Raf256 | eeyore-- can I disable controler only in BIOS? I must put it on other controller (like primary/seconadry)? |
| 02:18.24 | dondelelcaro | damnit |
| 02:18.28 | dondelelcaro | s/-f/-i/ |
| 02:18.31 | guestish | dondelelcaro: well i got like 20 patches i gotta apply, so i think that should work |
| 02:18.43 | rr72 | i want somin to do |
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| 02:18.49 | rr72 | i want to fix my mb |
| 02:18.53 | daxal | dondelelcaro: add more swap. ;) |
| 02:19.23 | Raf256 | ok, back to my real-os box then \o/ |
| 02:19.27 | guestish | bah, stupid bogomips program wont work |
| 02:19.37 | guestish | whatever |
| 02:19.44 | daxal | guestish: 0 bogomips 1 too many? ;) |
| 02:19.53 | guestish | daxal: :) |
| 02:20.50 | chealer | there's something I don't understand about the last kdelibs upload. on http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdelibs.html it says urgency is high, but on http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdelibs/news/1.html it reads urgency=low. why do the urgencies appear different? |
| 02:21.10 | rr72 | i can't get x to work on debian |
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| 02:22.12 | clown | :o) |
| 02:22.17 | daxal | rr72: email root with nasty threatening messages to get it fixed |
| 02:22.28 | rr72 | idiot |
| 02:22.28 | clown | is mepis debian enough |
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| 02:22.43 | rr72 | ill get pissed and change roots passwd |
| 02:22.49 | chealer | !tell clown about based on debian |
| 02:22.51 | rr72 | then ill be screwd |
| 02:23.02 | rr72 | i am root |
| 02:23.19 | gravity | clown: No |
| 02:23.55 | clown | so mepis is alot easier |
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| 02:24.00 | clown | than pure debian |
| 02:24.07 | gravity | clown: No one is arguing tis |
| 02:24.12 | gravity | clown: But it's not Debian |
| 02:24.18 | clown | ok |
| 02:24.21 | clown | srry |
| 02:24.21 | rr72 | daxal~ i need help getting it to work |
| 02:24.24 | dondelelcaro | who cares? it's not Debian, we don't deal with it... |
| 02:24.24 | daxal | rr72: so do you want to setup x or ? |
| 02:24.34 | rr72 | or ? waht? |
| 02:24.39 | rr72 | i guess |
| 02:24.40 | daxal | rr72: you tell us |
| 02:24.47 | rr72 | i don't want kde |
| 02:24.47 | guestish | dondelelcaro: didnt work, i guess its cause its fedora/redhat patches |
| 02:25.13 | guestish | dondelelcaro: theres a glitch in a module that the redhat people fixed, so i gotta use their kernel, but first i gotta apply the million patches |
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| 02:25.26 | daxal | clown: mepis is no more debian then mandrake is redhat. sorry... |
| 02:25.42 | clown | ok |
| 02:25.43 | rr72 | daxal~ lay mens ters\ms |
| 02:25.58 | daxal | rr72: did you get dpkg's message? |
| 02:26.02 | rr72 | yeah |
| 02:26.10 | rr72 | i don't feel like readin git all |
| 02:26.16 | dondelelcaro | guestish: did you set the right path strip? |
| 02:26.21 | guestish | dondelelcaro: path strip? |
| 02:26.30 | dondelelcaro | guestish: -p0 was just an example... you may need -p1 or similar |
| 02:26.35 | clown | i tried lookin for debian but kept coming up with like so many cd,s i have to download |
| 02:26.56 | dondelelcaro | clown: you don't need to download any cds. |
| 02:26.59 | guestish | dondelelcaro: well its numbered, so patch is trying to apply to linux-810, linux-820, etc, but the directory is just linux-2.6.11 |
| 02:27.12 | daxal | rr72: it's a few lines. take your time. |
| 02:27.24 | rr72 | so just copy paste? |
| 02:27.27 | guestish | dondelelcaro: im really confused |
| 02:27.28 | dondelelcaro | guestish: yeah, but you probably need to use -p1, depending on how many directories you need to strip out of the path |
| 02:27.35 | guestish | dondelelcaro: oh, ok |
| 02:27.40 | guestish | dondelelcaro: whats -p1 do? |
| 02:27.52 | dondelelcaro | guestish: strips one directory out of the path. -p0 uses the exact path. |
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| 02:28.16 | dondelelcaro | guestish: man patch; explains it. |
| 02:28.20 | daxal | rr72: a few different snippets yes. just read and follow. |
| 02:28.33 | dondelelcaro | clown: read /topic and refrain from /msg'ing me. |
| 02:28.40 | dondelelcaro | !d-i clown |
| 02:28.41 | dpkg | clown, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 02:28.52 | clown | srry,just bit embarrassed |
| 02:28.56 | clown | about it all |
| 02:29.00 | guestish | dondelelcaro: k |
| 02:29.06 | rr72 | Guerin~ what up? |
| 02:30.06 | rr72 | daxal~ what do i pick for x server driver? |
| 02:30.18 | rr72 | is nv nvidia? |
| 02:30.34 | guestish | dondelelcaro: ok, but seriously, this makes no sense to me =\ |
| 02:30.39 | gravity | rr72: Yes, but it doesn't support every nvidia card |
| 02:30.42 | guestish | not patch, just how they did the patches |
| 02:30.46 | daxal | rr72: depends on your hardware. check lspci for clues. |
| 02:30.51 | gravity | rr72: If it doesn't work for you, you may have to use the vesa driver |
| 02:31.03 | rr72 | Use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 02:31.07 | rr72 | whats taht meen? |
| 02:31.07 | gravity | No |
| 02:31.09 | dondelelcaro | guestish: ah |
| 02:31.13 | gravity | rr72: Just answer no |
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| 02:31.36 | guestish | dondelelcaro: they are numbered or something like that |
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| 02:33.18 | oneo | hey everyone - whenever my wireless network disconnects, i have to reboot my computer (i have an ifup wlan0 command in my startup scripts) because my machine is headless...anyone know of a way in debian to monitor the wireless connection and automatically reconnect whenever the connection is lost? |
| 02:33.38 | rr72 | i got error |
| 02:33.43 | rr72 | bad one |
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| 02:33.55 | rr72 | said it ruined somein important |
| 02:34.04 | jbmigel | why i cant connect to vsftpd from outside my router without "pasv_promiscuous=YES" in the conf file? is there a better way to do this?? |
| 02:34.11 | prock | oneo: www.nagios.org |
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| 02:35.22 | rr72 | i got error |
| 02:35.25 | rr72 | im in #flood |
| 02:35.38 | silverton | the program 'firestarter' is weird |
| 02:35.44 | silverton | it hands out IP addys backwards |
| 02:35.55 | rr72 | Fatal server error: |
| 02:35.55 | silverton | 254 - 2 instead of 2 - 254 |
| 02:35.55 | rr72 | could not open default font 'fixed'; |
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| 02:36.04 | dondelelcaro | silverton: most dhcpd servers do that. |
| 02:37.06 | silverton | dondelelcaro, routers don't :-/ |
| 02:37.16 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 02:38.11 | glick | hello all |
| 02:38.16 | abrotman | glick: wtf is ucwphilly ? |
| 02:38.23 | abrotman | upper central west philly ? |
| 02:38.30 | glick | abrotman: yes |
| 02:38.36 | qwer | hi all |
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| 02:39.18 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
| 02:39.29 | guestish | !locate kernel-2.6.11 |
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| 02:40.08 | qwer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.12 | qwer | !locate kernel-2.6.11 |
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| 02:40.28 | rr72 | daxal~ is ther a deb program to make a xorg conf file |
| 02:40.34 | glick | hey does anyone here run on a inspiron 8200? |
| 02:40.35 | rr72 | thats my problem |
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| 02:40.49 | sparr_ | weird problem with my latest gcc package... im compiling with --Wall, and i get an error from cc1plus telling me -fWall is an unrecognized option |
| 02:40.50 | sparr_ | wtf? |
| 02:40.51 | gravity | rr72: Debian doesn't have X.org |
| 02:40.52 | gravity | yet |
| 02:41.05 | glick | my fan is getting awefully noisy lately and i was wondering what that is and how i can fix that or if that will expensive to fix? |
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| 02:41.16 | rr72 | then how do i set up x than? |
| 02:41.31 | gravity | rr72: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:41.43 | abrotman | glick: which fan? |
| 02:41.52 | abrotman | glick: oh .. laptop ? |
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| 02:41.59 | glick | abrotman, the air duct fan on my lapto |
| 02:42.17 | abrotman | glick: you'd have to call dell |
| 02:42.29 | glick | i just bought an extra batt for this bitch that set me back 130 bucks |
| 02:42.34 | glick | just so i can get 5 hours work time |
| 02:42.42 | glick | and my laptop will weight 50 lbs |
| 02:42.58 | rr72 | i did that already |
| 02:43.12 | rr72 | gravity~ its somin with fonts |
| 02:43.39 | Subvertir | i feel so l33t writing all this simple python CGI stuff |
| 02:43.41 | Subvertir | it's sad =( |
| 02:43.44 | gravity | rr72: That's not very specific |
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| 02:43.57 | rr72 | i pasted in flood |
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| 02:44.23 | gravity | rr72: Try commenting out the FontPath for the font server |
| 02:44.29 | gravity | rr72: I'm not in #flood |
| 02:44.30 | rr72 | in waht file? |
| 02:44.39 | gravity | rr72: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 02:45.09 | abrotman | glick: hint .. don't buy dell :) |
| 02:45.09 | rr72 | which one |
| 02:45.16 | rr72 | i have multiple ones? all? |
| 02:45.18 | glick | abrotman, yeah i dont know what else to buy |
| 02:45.19 | gravity | What? |
| 02:45.26 | gravity | rr72: How do you have multiple ones? What did you do to your system? |
| 02:45.32 | glick | plus im a broke student now |
| 02:45.32 | rr72 | idk |
| 02:45.36 | glick | so im stuck with what i have |
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| 02:45.45 | rr72 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.45 | rr72 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.45 | rr72 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.45 | rr72 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:45.49 | gravity | ugh |
| 02:45.51 | gravity | ffs |
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| 02:46.09 | CrAzYWolF | sup all |
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| 02:48.01 | rr72 | gravity~ look waht happened |
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| 02:48.12 | gravity | rr72: Use a pastebin please |
| 02:48.21 | rr72 | join flood |
| 02:48.30 | gravity | rr72: No, please use a pastebin |
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| 02:49.10 | rr72 | never mind |
| 02:49.10 | glick | hmm i wonder why in fluxbox the performance of my sys goes down the shitter |
| 02:49.17 | rr72 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.25 | rr72 | FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" |
| 02:49.27 | abrotman | glick: use blackbox |
| 02:49.32 | rr72 | FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" |
| 02:49.33 | gravity | rr72: Don't paste in here. |
| 02:49.52 | gravity | rr72: You're not helping figure out the error by just pasting an auto-generated config file |
| 02:50.27 | gravity | rr72: You'll have to tell me what the error is |
| 02:50.30 | glick | it takes a shitty long time to redraw the screen when you move windows around |
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| 02:50.59 | rr72 | Fatal server error: |
| 02:50.59 | rr72 | could not open default font 'fixed'; |
| 02:51.32 | dondelelcaro | rr72: apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 02:51.37 | gravity | rr72: Install xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-scalable |
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| 02:52.58 | netstat | heya, anyone here use cftp? Not much documentation on it, love the structure though :) want to learn it |
| 02:54.33 | glick | hmm thats funny that kde depends on kde-games |
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| 02:55.38 | Subvertir | kde refers to the complete KDE distribution which includes kde-games |
| 02:55.53 | Subvertir | you can just install kdebase and kdelibs if you'd like |
| 02:56.25 | guestish | lotta compiling... |
| 02:56.29 | guestish | compile compile compile... |
| 02:56.35 | helix | Subvertir: I'm thinking 'distribution' is a somewhat ambiguous term here |
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| 02:56.45 | glick | Subvertir, yeah i did a task install |
| 02:57.34 | rr72 | how do i set $DISPLAY |
| 02:57.45 | rr72 | i got it to come up blank screen |
| 02:57.56 | gravity | rr72: startx should do that for you |
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| 02:58.09 | kingsley | rr72: export DISPLAY=<something> |
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| 02:58.59 | anthonynunez | are the 'harden' tools worth installing? |
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| 03:01.05 | netstat | this bitchx is pretty sweat when you get a feel for it! |
| 03:01.08 | spdf | If you're having problems "downstairs", they're totally worth it.. |
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| 03:01.47 | netstat | hahahaha |
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| 03:02.06 | rr72 | yeah |
| 03:02.08 | rr72 | it works |
| 03:02.11 | rr72 | boo yeah |
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| 03:03.45 | rr72 | gravity~ i got x working |
| 03:03.52 | gravity | rr72: Good, I'm glad |
| 03:03.52 | rr72 | no to install a window mgr |
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| 03:04.30 | madclicker_ | ahoy |
| 03:04.36 | spdf | Yarrrr! |
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| 03:05.30 | madclicker_ | my remote connection locked up while doing upgrade through aptitude and now i am getting "locked cache file" error "read only mode" SOS? |
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| 03:06.23 | rr72 | what are the diff magrs besides gnome and kde? |
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| 03:06.29 | thom__ | How do I change read/write rights for /var/www/apache2-default for a specific user? |
| 03:06.36 | rr72 | damn TwistedEmotions |
| 03:06.41 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:06.44 | rr72 | acid child sux balls |
| 03:06.44 | spdf | rr72, Fluxbox, Blackbox, XFCE, etc... |
| 03:06.44 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
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| 03:07.28 | rr72 | spdf~ just apg-get one of em? |
| 03:07.31 | spdf | thom__, Do you want to add or remove r/w privs? |
| 03:07.44 | daxal | what's the release of linux that'll run on a cisco 675 router? |
| 03:07.58 | daxal | I just scored one for $2.50 :) |
| 03:08.03 | spdf | rr72, Stable/Testing/Unstable? |
| 03:08.08 | thom__ | spdf: add |
| 03:08.14 | rr72 | sarge |
| 03:08.18 | Guerin | !window manager |
| 03:08.18 | dpkg | hmm... window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, windows-el, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No WM-picker-picker. Yet. |
| 03:08.33 | thom__ | spdf: For a specific user. |
| 03:08.35 | spdf | thom__, Add the user to the group (ie. www-data) |
| 03:08.42 | thom__ | how? |
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| 03:09.21 | Guerin | adduser youruser www-data |
| 03:09.22 | spdf | thom__, as root, adduser <group> <user> |
| 03:09.34 | Guerin | spdf: swap those two |
| 03:09.36 | thom__ | how do I get a list of groups? |
| 03:10.01 | Guerin | thom__: you don't need a list of groups |
| 03:10.03 | rr72 | TwistedEmotions~ arnt u ash? tlc's fake adopted son? |
| 03:10.09 | thom__ | Then how do I know which groups have access to which directories? |
| 03:10.30 | spdf | thom__, When you ls -l, you'll see the user and group its owned by.. the second one being the group.. |
| 03:10.39 | TwistedEmotions | rr72: I'm your daddy. |
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| 03:11.01 | Guerin | thom__: you almost never need to. But you do so by looking at the output of 'groups' and grepping /etc/group |
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| 03:11.13 | thom__ | spdf doesn't ls -l just give me a listing of files? |
| 03:11.32 | Guerin | it shows the file ownership and permissions, if you care to look |
| 03:11.33 | spdf | thom__, Yes. It also tells you other things about files/dirs.. |
| 03:11.58 | Guerin | grr, i nmust reboot |
| 03:11.58 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:11.58 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 03:12.17 | spdf | Who u'd? |
| 03:12.37 | spdf | Ahh.. rr72.. Shame! |
| 03:12.48 | rr72 | TwistedEmotions~ sorry |
| 03:12.53 | rr72 | i thought u were somone else |
| 03:13.08 | spdf | Shame on -you-. |
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| 03:13.10 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:13.10 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:13.18 | TwistedEmotions | !slap rr72 |
| 03:13.40 | furrywolf | welp, new printer in the living room... now to make debian talk to it. |
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| 03:13.48 | TwistedEmotions | rr72: I am Ash... but have no relation to TLC.. |
| 03:13.55 | nipplesrulz | ok |
| 03:13.56 | rr72 | i would like a very brief how too on getting a windo mgr to work |
| 03:13.56 | thom__ | spdf: Okay, I've done that, it seemed to work, but when I try to delete a file (through FTP) I get 'access denied'. |
| 03:14.08 | rr72 | TwistedEmotions~ do u know who tlc is? |
| 03:14.11 | nipplesrulz | apparently i have the proper stuff needed to run sftp in my server |
| 03:14.21 | TwistedEmotions | rr72: The singing group? |
| 03:14.22 | nipplesrulz | but how do i tell it to be a server |
| 03:14.27 | rr72 | giess not |
| 03:14.27 | spdf | thom__, which ftp server? |
| 03:14.27 | nipplesrulz | and how do i set permissions |
| 03:14.33 | thom__ | ftpd |
| 03:14.42 | nipplesrulz | can i just tell it to do users and not have those users as system users? |
| 03:14.47 | rr72 | gravity~ mis took him for someone else |
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| 03:15.20 | spdf | nipplesrulz, "do" as in "virtual"? |
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| 03:15.30 | TwistedEmotions | rr72: Akash? |
| 03:15.46 | rr72 | gravity~ just apt-get one of the windows and is taht it? |
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| 03:15.50 | nipplesrulz | spdf, what im looking to do is share my files from my server. |
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| 03:15.57 | spdf | rr72, That should do it |
| 03:16.04 | rr72 | k |
| 03:16.05 | nipplesrulz | so i want to put sftp on since everyone seems to hate normal ftp |
| 03:16.05 | rr72 | thx |
| 03:16.16 | nipplesrulz | but i want to limit the directorys ppl can dl from |
| 03:16.17 | spdf | rr72, Just pick one from the many |
| 03:16.31 | rr72 | spdf~ i do it ssh so i can chat at the same time |
| 03:16.34 | thom__ | spdf: ftpd |
| 03:16.43 | rr72 | spdf~ icebox is one rigjt? |
| 03:17.08 | abrotman | gravity: i feel for you :) |
| 03:17.15 | spdf | icewm? |
| 03:17.28 | rr72 | sure |
| 03:17.29 | rr72 | lol |
| 03:17.51 | spdf | Personally, I'm a fluxbox fan.. |
| 03:18.19 | ethics | rr72 you can have multiples and use something like GDM/KDM/XDM for choosing when you login |
| 03:18.28 | rr72 | oh |
| 03:18.30 | rr72 | thx |
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| 03:18.40 | rr72 | i have taht in SuSE; i forgot about it |
| 03:18.44 | gravity | You can also use ~/.xsession |
| 03:18.47 | spdf | rr72, install a few if you want and use xdm to choose.. |
| 03:18.47 | rr72 | !return |
| 03:18.47 | dpkg | return is, like, not punctuation |
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| 03:19.19 | ethics | rr82 for instance ....apt-get install kde gnome icewm xfce4 fuxbox gdm would install kde gnome xfce4 and fluxbox and they will be options in session in gdm which will take over the login process in a gui form |
| 03:19.56 | ecobit | anyone know the syntax to get ps to show the full command name? right now i see gnome-settiings- |
| 03:20.07 | spdf | and gdm is a nice looking login... |
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| 03:20.23 | Guerin | ecobit: mine does |
| 03:20.35 | TwistedEmotions | ps -el? |
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| 03:20.35 | Guerin | ecobit: i use ps ax typically |
| 03:20.36 | ethics | rr72: so next time you logged in you would get a nice poretty screen with a pULlldown menu for what type of session you have and then you typoe username and password and it logs you into that wm ..it will ask you if its a new defualt if it isnt also |
| 03:21.02 | glick | hey how much could i sell a dell inspiron 8200 for with 1gig ram 40gig harddrive and 1.8gig pentium4 and 2 batteries? |
| 03:21.02 | TwistedEmotions | errr.. ps -elx |
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| 03:21.05 | ecobit | thanks Twisted |
| 03:21.12 | spdf | rr72, If you change over to the graphical login, you can download themes from art.gnome.org |
| 03:21.29 | spdf | rr72, Or make one yourself if you are so inclined.. |
| 03:21.36 | rr72 | i know |
| 03:21.43 | rr72 | i have SuSE custimized |
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| 03:21.57 | spdf | Ahh, understood.. |
| 03:22.02 | rr72 | spdf~ so i install gnome? |
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| 03:22.08 | rr72 | i have kde tho |
| 03:22.10 | spdf | Don't ask me. Ask yourself. |
| 03:22.10 | ecobit | thanks guerin |
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| 03:22.37 | ecobit | gdm is cool but how to remove the "Gnome Display Manager" from the titlebar? |
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| 03:22.48 | Guerin | yay, it's 1221 on tuesday and I'm at home with a beer! |
| 03:22.49 | ethics | rr72: apt-get install kdm olr apt-get install gdm ....both do the same thing just oines gnomes ones kde's |
| 03:22.53 | distempr | Is there a good solution to handling multiple networks with a laptop ie.. one default wireless... one wired home one wired work etc? |
| 03:22.55 | Guerin | and I get paid for today! |
| 03:23.07 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I envy you.. |
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| 03:23.23 | ecobit | rr72, install fluxbox |
| 03:23.32 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: It's 8pm and I have hours of pointless work to do and no beer. |
| 03:23.38 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: you weren't envying me when I was talking about having to eat dog nipples... |
| 03:23.39 | ethics | rr72: once you have gdm or kdm installed you can use kde from the menu and any new ones you install should come up in the list....enlightenment doesnt but its manually setupable easily |
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| 03:24.04 | spdf | Guerin, Thats definitly an acquired taste... |
| 03:24.15 | insane_coder | What does this message on boot up mean? drm: no version for "agp_bind_memory" found: kernel tainted |
| 03:24.19 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Very very true... but then again I still dont quite understand that... |
| 03:24.20 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 03:24.26 | rr72 | icewm wroks |
| 03:24.33 | thom__ | spdf: So ftpd is my ftp server.. I've been looking into chmod.. |
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| 03:24.48 | ethics | rr72: i have gnome ,kde fluxbox and ice loaded on my box but im KDE normally, I used to gnome but i prefered kde 3.X |
| 03:24.55 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: what's not to understand? |
| 03:25.04 | Morydd | is there a way to tell apt to upgrade everything except certain packages? |
| 03:25.11 | Guerin | Morydd: /msg dpkg hold |
| 03:25.14 | spdf | Guerin, The "why" part... :) |
| 03:25.16 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: you know you dont HAVE to eat them.. |
| 03:25.17 | rr72 | ice works now |
| 03:25.52 | ethics | insane_coder, sounds like one of your modules is "broken" |
| 03:26.01 | ethics | insane_coder, nvidia driver by chance? |
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| 03:26.23 | insane_coder | nope |
| 03:26.29 | spdf | ati? |
| 03:26.31 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: tell that to the principal, vice principal and teachers of your school, when they've invited you to a very special lunch with them, in order to bond as blokes and improve our nightpower |
| 03:26.35 | insane_coder | nope |
| 03:26.43 | insane_coder | using dri now |
| 03:26.51 | distempr | how do I search through dpkg's tidbits (the bot) |
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| 03:27.10 | ethics | distempr, /msg dpkg factinfo |
| 03:27.20 | ethics | distemper i thinks |
| 03:27.20 | distempr | ethics: Thanks. |
| 03:27.23 | Guerin | no |
| 03:27.30 | Guerin | listvals and listkeys |
| 03:27.37 | ethics | oh no its the otherone...listvals |
| 03:27.40 | Guerin | factinfo tells you about a particular factoid |
| 03:27.57 | ethics | *holds up hand and scrceams MY BAD |
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| 03:28.16 | distempr | Guerin: OK, so can I search through 'em? |
| 03:28.31 | distempr | aww crap nm |
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| 03:28.33 | ethics | buggered if i can get a factiod to save tho....tried making one for ich6 but no good |
| 03:28.36 | distempr | Guerin: thanks. |
| 03:28.47 | rr72 | spdf~ kde is alot tho |
| 03:28.51 | rr72 | im in kde now |
| 03:28.57 | rr72 | i prefer text |
| 03:28.58 | Guerin | ethics: dpkg, foo is bar |
| 03:29.00 | rr72 | idk why |
| 03:29.12 | rr72 | !foo |
| 03:29.12 | dpkg | bar bir bor |
| 03:29.14 | insane_coder | ethics, so what do you mean by broken? |
| 03:29.18 | rr72 | !foo bar |
| 03:29.18 | dpkg | i guess foo bar is bar foo |
| 03:29.20 | ethics | Guerin no "" marks etc? |
| 03:29.24 | rr72 | !foobar |
| 03:29.24 | dpkg | i guess foobar is a term very generally used name for absolutely anything, esp. programs, files, functions, and such. See foo and bar. It has a complex relation to another term called "fubar." For more info, see "mantra.". FTP Operation Over Big Address Records RFC1639 |
| 03:29.40 | rr72 | !fubar |
| 03:29.40 | dpkg | somebody said fubar was Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition; it is a military term, or ask a fubar question, get a fubar answer. the failed unibus address register in a VAX |
| 03:29.48 | rr72 | sweet |
| 03:29.52 | Nurbs | !rfc |
| 03:29.52 | dpkg | from memory, rfc is Request For Comments. They are available at http://www.rfc-editor.org/, http://www.rfc.net, or ask about rfc 1918 for private address ranges |
| 03:29.54 | gravity | rr72: /msg dpkg foobar (or anything else you want to ask) |
| 03:30.11 | Guerin | ethics: nopes |
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| 03:30.30 | ethics | insane_coder, well the nvidia driver screams similar when you run the nvidia installer...so depending on whats new to create that message or somethingsd missing |
| 03:30.30 | distempr | Well hell, I can't find shit on multi-homed (wrong term I know) networking automagicification in debian. |
| 03:30.38 | rr72 | lmao |
| 03:30.45 | rr72 | i have a query open too |
| 03:31.11 | distempr | Yeh, google isn't helping.. which is rare. I just don't know what to search for. |
| 03:31.19 | insane_coder | is there a way to get my video card to run in AGP 8x? |
| 03:31.38 | insane_coder | I see this on boot: agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode |
| 03:31.49 | spdf | Doesn't the agp bus decide that on its own? |
| 03:32.14 | spdf | I guess not.. given that.. |
| 03:32.14 | CyL | how do I my systems defualt charset? |
| 03:32.33 | insane_coder | spdf, I know my machine is 8x... |
| 03:32.58 | christor | what time is it? |
| 03:33.12 | tcsetattr | it's dodgeball time! |
| 03:33.31 | tcsetattr | </Stormy> |
| 03:33.40 | insane_coder | if my kernel is doing idebus=33, is there a problem if I raise it? |
| 03:34.44 | kensuke | morning |
| 03:34.55 | kensuke | :-) and so another one begins |
| 03:35.05 | ethics | Guerin, from in channel only or can i do it via msg?...im still getting "you lost me on that" |
| 03:35.08 | spdf | insane_coder, What agp chipset do you have, and which kernel? it may be that your kernel version doesn't support 8x... |
| 03:35.35 | Guerin | ethics: what specifically are you typing? |
| 03:35.42 | Guerin | just the first few words |
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| 03:36.02 | insane_coder | spdf, if you mean motherboard chipset, ATIIXP, kernel is 2.6.5 |
| 03:36.15 | tcsetattr | distempr, apt-cache search laptop-net |
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| 03:36.42 | rr72 | cat~ nice host |
| 03:36.44 | furrywolf | grrr. and, of course, can't get cups to talk to the printer. |
| 03:36.50 | cat | thnx =) |
| 03:37.00 | ethics | ich6 is a newer chipset from intel.....audio support for sarge requires the drivers from the alsa-source package in APT.....SAT drivers are under IDE-PIIX module but the new D-I should find SATA with no problems ...was bugfixed recently |
| 03:37.11 | ethics | Guerin, pretty much exactly that |
| 03:37.28 | distempr | tcsetattr: thanks |
| 03:37.30 | Guerin | ethics: put ! in front of it |
| 03:37.40 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:37.44 | insane_coder | so is there a problem if I change idebus=33 to 66 or 100 or 133? |
| 03:37.48 | netstat | I'm getting errors while using apt-get... I was installing aprogram and it failed... now it's stuck.. |
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| 03:38.06 | Guerin | netstat: why? |
| 03:38.08 | furrywolf | you know, there's very, very few things that annoy me more than programs that exit abnormally without giving an error... |
| 03:38.13 | Guerin | netstat: and what errors |
| 03:38.18 | netstat | what files control thaT? .. I wanna get it unstuck |
| 03:38.21 | Guerin | furrywolf: oh yeah, that's dirty. |
| 03:38.32 | Guerin | netstat: paste your error to a httpd |
| 03:38.34 | Subvertir | there was this star trek game that exited completely whenever you hit escape |
| 03:38.40 | Subvertir | I took that bitch back to wal-mart |
| 03:38.42 | rr72 | haha |
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| 03:38.57 | tcsetattr | better remove /bin/false then :) |
| 03:39.02 | furrywolf | subvert: sure it wasn't just hiding itself as in boss mode? :P |
| 03:39.25 | Guerin | ethics: in-channel, you use a ! - in message, it's not necessary. It might be b0rking because there's an 'are' in it, which is one of dpkg's magic words |
| 03:39.41 | christor | I know my question is not concerning Debian, but where are you from all? |
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| 03:40.09 | Nurbs | Earth. |
| 03:40.10 | Subvertir | Indiana here, christor |
| 03:40.11 | cat | all over |
| 03:40.19 | spdf | Ontario, Canada |
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| 03:40.27 | skaught | Calgary, Alberta |
| 03:40.32 | netstat | Toronto, On |
| 03:40.32 | Guerin | i'm from everywhere man |
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| 03:40.34 | revenger | does anyone know an active openldap channel? the problem I have is I changed the cn over to Manager but the changes are still not shown within gq (ldap client) |
| 03:40.40 | tcsetattr | Subvertir, I'm in Indiana too... |
| 03:40.46 | tcsetattr | where you at? |
| 03:40.46 | revenger | #openldap is just idling.. |
| 03:40.47 | spdf | netstat, I'm a few minutes north of Barrie |
| 03:40.53 | Guerin | i walk the desert sands, man, i breathe the mountain air, man |
| 03:40.56 | rr72 | i ahve no progs on my debian box |
| 03:40.57 | furrywolf | cups says "Data file sent successfully", yet I can't see a sign of a single byte going out over the network... |
| 03:40.58 | rr72 | all text |
| 03:41.11 | netstat | spdf : I'm in North York area |
| 03:41.11 | Guerin | furrywolf: haha |
| 03:41.16 | spdf | netstat, We're practically neighbours |
| 03:41.20 | kensuke | I have no frogs on my debian box ;-) |
| 03:41.34 | christor | cool |
| 03:41.43 | Subvertir | I'm in Corydon right now |
| 03:41.44 | netstat | spdf : yeah man, travel up that way for work sometimes.. not far |
| 03:41.51 | Subvertir | I stay in Evansville a lot on the weekends |
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| 03:42.17 | tcsetattr | we're not exactly neighbors, I'm in Logansport |
| 03:42.36 | distempr | :o British Columbia, Canada here |
| 03:42.41 | furrywolf | and, of course, since it's convinced everything is working, the cups logs don't show anything... |
| 03:42.51 | furrywolf | so there's some error, and cups isn't bothering to mention it |
| 03:43.14 | rr72 | kde takes so long on cable |
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| 03:43.20 | nn | rr72: eh? |
| 03:43.30 | rr72 | to dl |
| 03:43.38 | nn | rr72: i did a full install + kde + gnome in about 2 hours over cable |
| 03:43.39 | nn | lol |
| 03:43.42 | rr72 | then i need to install |
| 03:43.53 | rr72 | its been 10 mins |
| 03:44.00 | rr72 | im used to small quick ones |
| 03:44.02 | spdf | What kind of speed do you get off of the reps? 620kb/s here.. |
| 03:44.15 | netstat | spdf btw, can't httpd cuz I think that's part of the issue (harden-surveillance depends) |
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| 03:44.19 | skaught | About 500kb/s here from the Local university |
| 03:44.32 | nn | i got 1900kb/sec last time i mirrored |
| 03:44.34 | rr72 | u suxk |
| 03:44.47 | nn | which was hmm.. a week ago? |
| 03:44.51 | Guerin | i get anywhere between 12 and 8 megabytes per second |
| 03:44.54 | Guerin | ehh |
| 03:44.58 | Guerin | s/12/2/ |
| 03:45.00 | nn | mine really varies.. a lot |
| 03:45.04 | skaught | Guerin: If I'm at school I get that :) |
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| 03:45.13 | furrywolf | cups is never starting foo2zjs... |
| 03:45.18 | nn | good days, 12mbit+, bad days maybe 1.5mbit |
| 03:45.21 | skaught | No OC-48s at my house however |
| 03:45.24 | Guerin | 100mbps internet is sweet |
| 03:45.38 | nn | then again, i've optimized my sleep pattern around the "cap grace" hours |
| 03:45.45 | ethics | Guerin, cool ill rephrase it hehe |
| 03:45.56 | furrywolf | how the fuck is it thinking it's sent the file correctly if it's never even ran the backend?! worthless POS. |
| 03:46.13 | spdf | Man, cups hates you. |
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| 03:46.22 | rr72 | pms |
| 03:46.31 | rr72 | i have a friend with initial like that |
| 03:46.34 | rr72 | a guy too |
| 03:46.50 | rr72 | i want kde to finish for xchat and gaim |
| 03:46.51 | revenger | does anyone know about openldap? |
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| 03:47.06 | glickinator | excuse me, who makes a decent laptop that works well with linux? |
| 03:47.19 | revenger | glickinator: acer |
| 03:47.20 | Nurbs | IBM |
| 03:47.22 | Guerin | i knew a gal whose married initials would have been ARSE if she'd taken her husband's name |
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| 03:47.27 | nn | hahah |
| 03:47.39 | Guerin | glickinator: ibm |
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| 03:47.59 | spdf | Thinkpads are grrrreat |
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| 03:48.16 | glickinator | how is intel centrino? |
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| 03:48.19 | revenger | even dualhead works fine with my travelmate :) |
| 03:48.25 | furrywolf | I've been happy with my dell |
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| 03:48.58 | Guerin | my toshiba's still trucking after nearly8 years |
| 03:49.06 | Subvertir | gentlemen I have noobed my way into a functional python CGI script |
| 03:49.08 | timt | "X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown) ?? Im trying to startx ?? anyone? |
| 03:49.09 | glickinator | the fans on my dell are dying |
| 03:49.12 | glickinator | and battery life is shitty |
| 03:49.25 | Guerin | timt: logs |
| 03:49.28 | spdf | timt, pastebin the log... |
| 03:49.50 | Bac9 | timo: your .xsession empty or somesuch/ |
| 03:49.52 | Bac9 | ? |
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| 03:49.58 | silverton | Subvertir, I'm proud |
| 03:50.00 | spdf | glickinator, same on my inspiron 1100 |
| 03:50.15 | spdf | glickinator, I get an hour of bat life with wireless going.. |
| 03:50.30 | Bac9 | timt: your .xsession empty or somesuch? other than that check the X logs |
| 03:50.33 | Bac9 | timo: sorry |
| 03:50.34 | rr72 | yes |
| 03:50.40 | rr72 | setting up packs |
| 03:50.45 | rixth | Trying to open ANY folder on an NTFS drive, I get a box popping up saying "Opening "DIRNAME". You can stop this operation by clicking cancel." |
| 03:50.57 | ethics | Guerin, yeah rephrasing worked ok 8) ich6 now factoided.......now i wonder if sarge DI will change the alsa modules before release.... |
| 03:51.05 | timt | ok ill just check the logs ...... |
| 03:51.06 | CyL | Is there a way to like 'alias' a mouse botton, so for example the 6th button behaves just like the 2nd? |
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| 03:51.22 | furrywolf | how do I make cups log fucking everything? |
| 03:51.28 | waxboy | question: is there an easy way to add my regular username to sudoers without having to completely grok the sudoers stuff? |
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| 03:52.06 | Guerin | ethics: unlikley |
| 03:52.09 | timt | how do i know if something's failed ?? |
| 03:52.20 | funkyhat | you should use the command visudo to edit the sudoers file, which isn't great for me because i have no idea how to use vi :P |
| 03:52.40 | mwilson | waxboy: Is there some reason you think you're too special to use the tool, but not know how it works? |
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| 03:53.05 | dabreegster | funkyhat: just press i once it's loaded, edit, then escape :wq |
| 03:53.09 | furrywolf | hrmm, the linuxprinting.org listing suggests the debian foo2zjs package is fucked |
| 03:53.14 | timt | "insufficient memory for mode" - would I reconfigure this with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?? |
| 03:53.16 | revenger | can anyone help me with openldap? my server just gives me "additional info: no global superior knowledge" |
| 03:53.18 | dabreegster | funkyhat: and I think you might be able to set $EDITOR to another |
| 03:53.19 | Bac9 | mwilson: what do you get out of coming here? |
| 03:53.26 | rixth | Trying to open ANY folder on an NTFS drive, I get a box popping up saying "Opening "DIRNAME". You can stop this operation by clicking cancel." How can I access the files within the dir? If I cd to it from the command line and then type 'dir' it just stays there. The dir listing doesn't come up, nor does it drop me back to a command line. |
| 03:53.28 | funkyhat | cheers dabreegster :) |
| 03:53.32 | ethics | Guerin, in that case ive done my good deed for the week 8) |
| 03:53.42 | mwilson | timt: Uh, how would changing the configuration add memory to your video card? |
| 03:53.47 | furrywolf | linuxprinting.org entry says to forget the debian package and install from the upstream tarball... |
| 03:53.51 | waxboy | mwilson: yup, i need it to compile something on a machine off the network, and i'm lazy. |
| 03:53.58 | ethics | Guerin, i feel these new chipsets are going to become very common soon |
| 03:54.11 | skaught | waxboy: If you're lazy, use su |
| 03:54.14 | CyL | Is there a way to like 'alias' a mouse botton, so for example the 6th button behaves just like the 2nd? |
| 03:54.14 | glickinator | what about hp |
| 03:54.37 | timt | mwilson: maybe Ive specified to much memory for card ? |
| 03:54.41 | Guerin | waxboy: the basics of sudo are simple. man sudoers has a ton of examples you can crib from |
| 03:54.42 | waxboy | skaught: dpkg-buildpackage don't like su |
| 03:54.54 | mwilson | Guerin: But that would require him to read. |
| 03:54.57 | skaught | waxboy: And 'su -l' ? |
| 03:55.11 | waxboy | guerin: that particular manpage makes my head hurt |
| 03:55.14 | Bac9 | CyL: xmodmap? |
| 03:55.14 | Guerin | mwilson: i know. terrible, isn't it? This is what unix has become! |
| 03:55.17 | glickinator | how are hp pavilian notebookd? |
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| 03:56.02 | mwilson | Guerin: Did you know... it's considered elitist now to expect adults to be able to read above a third-grade level? |
| 03:56.21 | Guerin | waxboy: i have a theory that sudoers is complicated in order to form a cutoff point. you have to be |<---this--->| smart to use sudo. |
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| 03:56.26 | mwilson | Guerin: I actually had some yabbo tell me that. |
| 03:56.43 | CyL | Bac9: I dunno if it's that I want.. I'll man it, but thankyou anyway... |
| 03:56.56 | Bac9 | mwilson: that's because after third grade it all terns to 1337 5p33|< |
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| 03:57.08 | Bac9 | mwilson: adults just can't match that |
| 03:57.14 | waxboy | guerin: it's late and i want to build a package, not learn. maybe i'll put it off to mornin |
| 03:57.17 | Guerin | mwilson: heh. I had a hand in designing some documentation for the NZ tax dept - we were told to pitch to a reading level of age 12. And you wouldn't believe the number of complaints we got about how it was too hard... |
| 03:57.37 | jcook | anyone know what the difference b/w the syscalls "write" and "send" are? |
| 03:57.37 | funkyhat | waxboy, why not use su if you're stuck? |
| 03:57.42 | mwilson | Actually, I don't think I'd have any problem believing it. |
| 03:57.43 | Bac9 | CyL: I know what you want is avialable, I jist don't recall if that's it |
| 03:58.00 | Guerin | mwilson: I guess you probably wouldn't. |
| 03:58.03 | CyL | Bac9: okay, thank you |
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| 03:58.39 | waxboy | funkyhat: dpkg-buildpackage don't seem to like running under su |
| 03:58.40 | glickinator | what do you think of this puppy? |
| 03:58.41 | glickinator | http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_series.do?series_name=zv6000_series&seeAllSpec=true&tab_switch=true&tab=specs&catLevel=2&category=/notebooks/hp_pavilion&storeName=computer_store |
| 03:58.48 | Guerin | waxboy: use fakeroot |
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| 03:58.59 | Guerin | waxboy: you shouldn't ever build debian packages as root. |
| 03:59.05 | furrywolf | E [23/May/2005:20:58:40 -0700] PID 22279 stopped with status 22! |
| 03:59.13 | furrywolf | well, at least that got an error out of it |
| 03:59.20 | Guerin | furrywolf: sshd status! |
| 03:59.45 | Guerin | glickinator: i think its url is too long for you to be pasting in-channel |
| 03:59.45 | furrywolf | guerin: ? |
| 03:59.57 | Guerin | furrywolf: 22. |
| 03:59.58 | Jacobo221 | USB specification states that up to 127 devices can be plugged to a single host (theorically). now, when linux gets the 26th usb-storage device it maps it to /dev/sdz, but what about when it gets the 27th device plugged? |
| 04:00.09 | kasper | are there hostap debs or a equiv? i need to upgrade from the default oronico drivers, |
| 04:00.14 | Guerin | furrywolf: absent all other information, i just assign random meanings to error codes. |
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| 04:00.34 | nakor | can somebody help me make my card reader work? no driver is loaded for it, usb-storage ignores it. |
| 04:00.41 | Guerin | Jacobo221: good question. never heard of it done. |
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| 04:00.58 | waxboy | guerin: fakeroot dumps me at 'sh: debian/rules: permission denied' |
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| 04:01.31 | Guerin | waxboy: if you've done some of your dev, or untarred the packages, as root, it will do that. They all have to be owned by the user. |
| 04:01.38 | rr72 | i have kde running |
| 04:01.41 | idle- | Anyone have a working apt.sources file to install mono |
| 04:01.45 | rr72 | tho sound doesnt work |
| 04:01.53 | waxboy | guerin: i chown'd everything over to make sure |
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| 04:01.57 | Guerin | rr72: that's the normal state of kde sound. |
| 04:01.58 | rr72 | i have soundblaster live! |
| 04:02.02 | rr72 | no |
| 04:02.06 | rr72 | i got somin |
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| 04:02.08 | rr72 | a popup |
| 04:02.13 | furrywolf | looks like a dependencies problem... |
| 04:02.25 | furrywolf | installing more packages now |
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| 04:02.51 | skaught | idle-: What dist are you running? |
| 04:02.54 | Guerin | waxboy: what are the perms on debian/rules? |
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| 04:03.08 | rr72 | damn |
| 04:03.13 | abarbaccia | hey all -i'm having trouble getting a script i wrote to run at startup - correct me if im wrong but you create the script in init.d, run update-rc.d and that should be it correct? |
| 04:03.14 | idle- | skaught: woody |
| 04:03.18 | rr72 | can i re config x? |
| 04:03.26 | rr72 | my moniter setting are to small |
| 04:03.35 | rr72 | err to bug |
| 04:03.35 | furrywolf | !drxx |
| 04:03.35 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 04:03.36 | Guerin | !drxx rr72 |
| 04:03.37 | dpkg | rr72: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 04:03.45 | rr72 | thx |
| 04:03.47 | dabreegster | rr72: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:03.57 | rr72 | say no to the buffer righjt? |
| 04:04.09 | Guerin | abarbaccia: you have to run update-rc.d with some options, and it has to be +x |
| 04:04.17 | skaught | idle-: Ah. I'm not sure who's doing Mono backports for Woody so I can't help ya :) |
| 04:04.19 | waxboy | guerin: rw-r--r-- |
| 04:04.27 | abarbaccia | Guerin, i did, update-rc.d <name> defaults 25 |
| 04:04.30 | Guerin | waxboy: you can see the problem, can't you? |
| 04:04.36 | abarbaccia | and i did chmod 777 to be safe |
| 04:04.38 | waxboy | guerin: i need x, eh? |
| 04:04.42 | Guerin | waxboy: you do indeed |
| 04:05.03 | Guerin | abarbaccia: what runlevel are you booting into? |
| 04:05.03 | furrywolf | yep, that fixed it... foo2zjs should depend on foomatic stuff, but doesn't, and instead just makes cups run programs that don't exist... |
| 04:05.14 | Guerin | furrywolf: bugx0r |
| 04:05.28 | ethics | jacobo221: if you have 27 USB devices you probably already have enough time to waste to look.... |
| 04:05.33 | abarbaccia | default (5?) |
| 04:05.41 | waxboy | guerin: thanks for your patience |
| 04:05.54 | Guerin | waxboy: no problem. |
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| 04:06.09 | abarbaccia | Guerin, the default (5?) |
| 04:06.27 | idle- | ugh |
| 04:06.32 | Guerin | abarbaccia: default is 2, but that's on in defaults. is it executable by root? |
| 04:06.38 | Jacobo221 | ethics: i dont' even have 5 usb devices. I'm just asking. i'm curious. i've been working at university with the usb specification and i was wondering how the kernel andles some weird stuff. and that is one of my wonders |
| 04:07.00 | abarbaccia | Guerin, i changed permissions to all for any user so, yes |
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| 04:07.14 | Guerin | Jacobo221: time to request funding for a couple dozen devices :) |
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| 04:07.25 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: lol |
| 04:07.41 | dabreegster | I just have a joystick and a full-speed DVD reader I "borrow" occaisonally. |
| 04:07.55 | Guerin | i have a mouse, a camera and an IDE housing |
| 04:08.01 | Jacobo221 | Guerin, ethics : looks like it will just go on to /dev/sdaa /dev/sdab and so on |
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| 04:08.12 | Guerin | oh, and a vga->rf converter which is powered by usb |
| 04:08.16 | ethics | jacobo221: i c well id say that there will be limited support beyond 26...but then who would need more than 64KB of ram... |
| 04:08.22 | Guerin | Jacobo221: makes sense |
| 04:08.40 | Jacobo221 | Ether_Man: ye, true. who needs more |
| 04:09.23 | Guerin | abarbaccia: how did you write the script? will it work if called with scriptname start? |
| 04:09.36 | Guerin | abarbaccia: you can't just put any random script in there, y'know |
| 04:09.36 | Kerr | my irc server, running from back at my parents, is currently running the 2.4.27-1-386 kernel. I'll have a unique chance to get hands on with it tomorrow. Should i bother upgrading to a later kernel, or is the one i have safe? |
| 04:09.40 | abarbaccia | um, i dont pass it any arugments, but it runs fine if i just run it |
| 04:09.49 | furrywolf | guerin: yep. it calls the foomatic-rip binary, without requiring the foomatic engine to be installed... |
| 04:10.01 | Guerin | abarbaccia: init calls a script with one of start, stop or restart |
| 04:10.05 | abarbaccia | Guerin, and yes it works with start as well |
| 04:10.08 | skaught | Kerr: Gah! Do you *need* to upgrade? |
| 04:10.14 | ethics | Jacobo221, it could expand to a second set of devs...but then there may be some sort of communucation issues....i dont think USB Hubs actualy have a device list its more like a broadcasted communucation isnt it? |
| 04:10.34 | Guerin | abarbaccia: ok. if you just need to run it without parameters, maybe put it in bootmisc.sh |
| 04:10.48 | abarbaccia | hurm - lemme check that out |
| 04:10.53 | abarbaccia | when does bootmisc run? |
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| 04:11.13 | Guerin | abarbaccia: on boot ... I think at 99 |
| 04:11.21 | Kerr | skaught: I don't know, 's why i asked. The box will be down for switching hard drives, i figured if i was to upgrade the kernel tomorrow makes sense. |
| 04:11.45 | abarbaccia | alright, then this would be the place to put it - i'll let you know how it goes |
| 04:11.46 | abarbaccia | thanks a ton |
| 04:11.54 | glickinator | do compaqs work well with linux? |
| 04:11.56 | Guerin | Kerr: upgrade to the same kernel in the -2- series |
| 04:12.06 | Guerin | !laptop |
| 04:12.07 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 04:12.12 | Guerin | glickinator: ^^^ read |
| 04:12.16 | rr72 | f yeah |
| 04:12.20 | rr72 | i got it working |
| 04:12.25 | Jacobo221 | ethics: i guess usb hubs just get the first /dev/sdXx available. i doubt they expand to a subset of devices |
| 04:12.31 | Guerin | abarbaccia: :) |
| 04:12.35 | Jacobo221 | ethics: http://www.centos.org/docs/4/html/rhel-isa-en-4/s1-storage-rhlspec.html <- check 5.9.1.1.2 |
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| 04:12.57 | Kerr | Guerin: are there exploits/bugs in the kernel i'm currently using? |
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| 04:13.35 | Guerin | Kerr: potentially. the kernel series was updated to -2- even though it's stable for some reasons which are probably important. look at a changelog if you want details - they're on pdo |
| 04:13.45 | Guerin | s/stable/frozen/ |
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| 04:14.57 | rr72 | i need help with kde |
| 04:15.08 | rr72 | it only starts from startx |
| 04:15.08 | spdf | So ask.. |
| 04:15.21 | spdf | It won't start from kdm/gdm/xdm? |
| 04:15.22 | Guerin | rr72: apt-get install kdm |
| 04:15.30 | rr72 | thought so |
| 04:15.37 | rr72 | just double checking |
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| 04:15.52 | stouset | Is there a way to prevent the OSS compatibility modules from loading with the rest of ALSA? |
| 04:16.06 | cafuego | stouset: alias 'em to 'off' |
| 04:16.06 | Guerin | stouset: blacklist them. Not sure why you would, though. |
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| 04:16.53 | abarbaccia | Guerin, well, almost worked - where can i check the logs, it went to fast to read it all |
| 04:17.00 | eddi3 | need major help. sarge is initializing md0 BEFORE the controller drivers are loaded! is there a way to change the sequence? |
| 04:17.03 | Guerin | abarbaccia: dmesg |
| 04:17.28 | Guerin | abarbaccia: if it's not their, add a 'touch /tmp/yayitworkedfine' to the end |
| 04:17.38 | Guerin | s/their/there/ |
| 04:17.46 | Guerin | !hurt me for mangling the english language |
| 04:17.48 | rr72 | works |
| 04:17.49 | rr72 | thx |
| 04:17.53 | mwilson | eddi3: Do you have the array marked as autostart? |
| 04:17.55 | rr72 | new i forgot somin |
| 04:17.57 | rr72 | !aol |
| 04:17.57 | dpkg | i guess aol is for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
| 04:18.08 | rr72 | !drive |
| 04:18.13 | Guerin | to fight what? |
| 04:18.32 | abarbaccia | Guerin, its not in there - the output at bootup isn't logged somewhere? |
| 04:18.38 | rixth | Whenever I try to ls, dir (or open in Nautilus) a subdirectory in a NTFS drive, just sits there. If Iw as to type root@bear:/mnt/ntfs/Program Files/eMule # ls << It just sits there. Doesn't drop me back to root@bear:/mnt/ntfs/Program Files/eMule # eith. |
| 04:18.44 | rr72 | !worm |
| 04:18.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, worm is (Write Once Read Many) This is a type of drive/media that allows you to write to it permanently. However, you cannot erase what you've written. CD-R is a form of WORM drive. |
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| 04:18.59 | eddi3 | mwilson how do i do that? |
| 04:19.02 | cafuego | Guerin: you bin on debian four to long if you're english starts to sucks |
| 04:19.11 | Guerin | not necessarily, dmesg only holds a cetain amount |
| 04:19.15 | mwilson | eddi3: That's not what I asked you, is it? |
| 04:19.22 | Guerin | cafuego: eye no |
| 04:19.29 | spdf | cafuego, seems you've been her for far too long yourself ;) |
| 04:19.29 | rixth | Whenever I try to ls, dir (or open in Nautilus) a subdirectory in a NTFS drive, just sits there. If Iw as to type root@bear:/mnt/ntfs/Program Files/eMule # ls << It just sits there. Doesn't drop me back to root@bear:/mnt/ntfs/Program Files/eMule # either. Is there a package I need for NTFS support? |
| 04:19.35 | rr72 | !pokemon |
| 04:19.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, pokemon is a shot |
| 04:19.37 | rr72 | !mew |
| 04:19.38 | dpkg | hmm... mew is and email client for emacsen |
| 04:19.41 | stouset | spdf: I've been her for awhile now. |
| 04:19.41 | spdf | s/her/here... oh god. |
| 04:19.44 | rr72 | !mutt |
| 04:19.44 | dpkg | from memory, mutt is the official mailer of Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.mutt.org/) or better than pine or with message threading, built-in PGP support, and more config options than you can count, or check out http://www.mutt.org/links.html#config, or more Free than pine |
| 04:19.53 | Guerin | rr72: does it hurt to be this stupid? |
| 04:19.55 | eddi3 | mwilson well i'm not sure |
| 04:19.57 | cafuego | spdf: what doo yu mean? |
| 04:20.00 | ethics | rixth: ntfs on linux is dodgy...any errors on the dirve will just hang the session.... if you can mount the drive then you have ntfs support loaded |
| 04:20.01 | Guerin | because it fucking hurts ME |
| 04:20.31 | rixth | ethics, aight. Thanks. |
| 04:20.32 | spdf | Guerin, Zing! |
| 04:20.35 | stouset | Guerin: blacklisting them didn't work |
| 04:20.56 | ethics | rr72: please type /msg dpkg factoidname... |
| 04:20.56 | Guerin | stouset: oh, nasty. they must come in autoratically with your plain alsa modules. |
| 04:21.01 | rr72 | i am |
| 04:21.06 | stouset | Guerin: *nods*, that's what I was afraid of. |
| 04:21.09 | stouset | Guerin: IA |
| 04:21.14 | stouset | Guerin: Any other way to nix them? |
| 04:21.21 | rr72 | /msg dpkg mutt |
| 04:21.30 | Guerin | stouset: rename them to snd-pcm-oss.ko.DONOTLOAD, etc :) |
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| 04:21.50 | stouset | Guerin: Something a little less dirty than that :-) |
| 04:21.56 | ethics | stoutset: oss support is default.....may differe in 1.0.8+ |
| 04:22.01 | Guerin | stouset: seriously, though, cafuego said to alias them off - you'd do that via the modules.conf etc. system |
| 04:22.06 | cafuego | stouset: compile a kernel without oss emulation? |
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| 04:22.32 | stouset | Guerin: Ah, right. How do I go about aliasing modules? I've tried to stay out of the /etc/modutils directory when at all possible. |
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| 04:22.42 | ethics | out of curiosity why would you turn compatability off....whats it stop? |
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| 04:22.59 | Guerin | stouset: yeah, me too. I haven't done it since for ever... you'll need to R some FM |
| 04:23.09 | Guerin | yeah, I wanna know what it hurts, too. |
| 04:23.15 | stouset | ethics: Because apparently the GNOME mixer applet will latch on to the OSS compatibility modules rather than the ALSA ones, if they're loaded |
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| 04:23.54 | Guerin | stouset: can't you define a different mixer backend for that? i know the xfmixer can use it, and I know there's a gnome-alsamixer... |
| 04:24.12 | ethics | stoutset. i do beleive there is a non module change in a conf file you can make....i looked it up once...i think the unbutu forum had the info |
| 04:24.33 | stouset | Ah, haha. It's just in the preferences. You can switch which device it controls. |
| 04:24.40 | stouset | They added that in 2.10, then :-) |
| 04:24.47 | Guerin | stouset: you could put a modprobe -r snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss into bootmisc or something |
| 04:24.55 | cafuego | stouset: Make a new file in /etc/modprobe.d with your "alias snd-pcm-oss off" etc aliases, one per line. |
| 04:24.56 | Guerin | ah, pwned |
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| 04:25.20 | ethics | stouset, hehe ...tada your welcome heheh |
| 04:25.31 | stouset | ethics: ;) |
| 04:25.35 | cafuego | ooh, it hurts in the middle of the night |
| 04:25.40 | stouset | cafuego: Thanks. I'll store that away for future reference :-) |
| 04:25.45 | ethics | stouset, is intresting to wonder what still uses oss compat and whats effected tho |
| 04:25.47 | dabreegster | stouset: I believe GNOME uses esd as a mixer. |
| 04:26.06 | stouset | dabreegster: It's configurable. And even then, that's only through gstreamer. |
| 04:26.07 | Guerin | ethics: he explained it |
| 04:26.49 | cafuego | dabreegster: esd is a sound server, not a mixer. |
| 04:27.16 | dabreegster | cafuego: It mixes together multiple streams of input, though. |
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| 04:27.31 | simonrvn | that doesn't make it a mixer |
| 04:27.35 | ethics | cafuego, its a sound mixed debian doesn't really support? ie esd is not tested ? |
| 04:27.40 | dabreegster | cafuego: and you can apply different filters; see esdfilt. |
| 04:27.46 | simonrvn | that doesn't make it a mixer |
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| 04:27.55 | cafuego | dabreegster: No, it DUMPS them, no mixing occurs |
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| 04:28.11 | dabreegster | cafuego: Oh |
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| 04:28.58 | liam_t | hey whats the best graphical disk partioner? |
| 04:29.00 | rr72 | how do i get rid of most used apps? |
| 04:29.04 | rr72 | inkde |
| 04:29.14 | cafuego | liam_t: 'Disk Utility' on MacOSX |
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| 04:29.20 | ethics | i never ever got esd to work right ....alsa was my friend |
| 04:29.38 | spdf | While we're on the subject of sound... Would it be bad if I just rm -rf my sound modules? Don't need them on my file server.. |
| 04:29.40 | simonrvn | and why would you want to use an x based disk partition tool? |
| 04:29.50 | cafuego | simonrvn: he didn't ask. |
| 04:29.54 | spdf | They're being loaded.. and its kind of a waste of memory.. |
| 04:29.56 | dabreegster | ethics: esd is awesome. alsa could never correctly mix multiple streams of input for me properly. |
| 04:30.03 | ethics | rr72: kde comes in subpackages.....apt-get install KDE installs a few different debs which can be removed seperateLy.....try dpkg -l |grep kde |
| 04:30.05 | simonrvn | spdf: so don't build them |
| 04:30.11 | dabreegster | spdf: blacklist em |
| 04:30.14 | cafuego | spdf: O-o-o, 32Kb of ram wasted! |
| 04:30.14 | rr72 | no |
| 04:30.14 | zinx | spdf: yes. make your own kernel package and don't include those modules in it, instead |
| 04:30.16 | spdf | simonrvn, using the packaged kernel.. |
| 04:30.17 | Guerin | esd would be awesome if it didn't fuck so many things up |
| 04:30.18 | rr72 | its a setting |
| 04:30.24 | ethics | rr72: that will give you the groupings of things...ie cames edu etc |
| 04:30.34 | dabreegster | Guerin: what's it mess up? |
| 04:30.37 | dabreegster | !esd |
| 04:30.37 | dpkg | methinks esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 04:30.39 | spdf | cafuego, I know.. Its ridiculus.. :) |
| 04:30.44 | zinx | spdf: rm'ing random files that are controlled by package management isn't a good idea |
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| 04:31.02 | simonrvn | 'ridiculous' |
| 04:31.05 | Guerin | dabreegster: practically all apps which don't have a specific 'esd' output mode |
| 04:31.17 | Guerin | at least he didn't say rediculous |
| 04:31.25 | ethics | rr72: who are you talking to ? no out of the blue makes me wonder if your talking to me... |
| 04:31.30 | Guerin | i started saying bluediculous for a while ther |
| 04:31.34 | simonrvn | red dick ulous |
| 04:31.35 | dabreegster | Guerin: mpg321 and all SDL apps do, which is good enough for me. and esddsp might help. |
| 04:31.35 | spdf | simonrvn, My apologies for the omision.. |
| 04:31.42 | rr72 | anyone |
| 04:31.50 | rr72 | its in control panel |
| 04:31.54 | rr72 | some where |
| 04:32.21 | rr72 | night all |
| 04:32.23 | ethics | rr72: you talking about synaptics or something? |
| 04:32.27 | rr72 | no |
| 04:32.28 | Guerin | if it's in the fucking control panel somewhere, find it |
| 04:32.33 | rr72 | in the k-menu |
| 04:32.50 | rr72 | Guerin~ whats up with u? |
| 04:32.55 | spdf | !u |
| 04:32.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:33.00 | rr72 | !ty |
| 04:33.00 | dpkg | i guess ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player |
| 04:33.12 | rr72 | !spdf |
| 04:33.34 | simonrvn | the blue one or the red one? |
| 04:33.38 | Guerin | rr72: nothing is up with u. |
| 04:33.59 | Guerin | rr72: i mean |
| 04:34.08 | Guerin | are you suggesting we can spell 'up' without a u? |
| 04:34.22 | simonrvn | p |
| 04:34.24 | rr72 | what ever |
| 04:34.28 | simonrvn | nope. not really. |
| 04:34.32 | rr72 | !ne1 |
| 04:34.32 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 04:34.37 | Guerin | simonrvn: doesn't work, does it. |
| 04:34.42 | simonrvn | nope |
| 04:34.47 | spdf | ot uch oes |
| 04:34.50 | Guerin | rr72: please to NOT MESSAGE THE FUCKING BOTS |
| 04:35.11 | rr72 | ur a hyicrit |
| 04:35.15 | rr72 | i g2g |
| 04:35.15 | dabreegster | rr72: /msg dpkg TRIGGER |
| 04:35.16 | rr72 | Mon May 23 23:35:17 CDT 2005 |
| 04:35.22 | ethics | rr72: try to use english more...u / leet etc dont work...when your asking dpkg something use /msg dpkg d-i for instance |
| 04:35.24 | simonrvn | ouch your toes? |
| 04:35.25 | Guerin | !dict hyicrit |
| 04:35.27 | dpkg | could not find definition for hyicrit |
| 04:35.28 | rr72 | l8rzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
| 04:35.38 | rr72 | jerl |
| 04:35.40 | rr72 | !twit |
| 04:35.46 | michal__ | anyone know what's involved in hosting your own domain name ? |
| 04:35.47 | dabreegster | rr72: hypocrite? |
| 04:35.50 | cafuego | !lart ethics for not using you're |
| 04:35.59 | simonrvn | a lot |
| 04:36.01 | Guerin | michal__: hosting the dns, you mean? |
| 04:36.01 | rr72 | ty |
| 04:36.31 | ethics | cafuego, hehe |
| 04:36.40 | Guerin | michal__: first you need at least two independently sited, stable, well-connected, reliable boxen. |
| 04:36.49 | Guerin | this is harder than it might seem |
| 04:36.57 | simonrvn | quite |
| 04:37.06 | cafuego | it's amaing how I can still print ~ 25 DVDs after the printer starts moaning about low ink levels |
| 04:37.06 | michal__ | guerin: who says they need to be independantly sited? is that a requirement or a recommendation? |
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| 04:37.23 | spdf | michal__, What kind of site are you expecting to host? |
| 04:37.41 | simonrvn | um... highly recommended? .... |
| 04:37.47 | Guerin | michal__: if your site goes down, you need a backup. there's no point in having two authoritative nameds on the same network, or even in the same address space. |
| 04:37.53 | ethics | cafuego, its amazing work hasnt found out i have 200+ xbox covers printing on their color lasers every 2 months hehe |
| 04:37.56 | michal__ | spdf: nothing special.. www and mail servers for a few companies mostly.. |
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| 04:38.09 | Guerin | highly recommended like not having bald tyres on your car |
| 04:38.16 | michal__ | guerin: if our site goes down then those sites won't be accessible anyway :P |
| 04:38.18 | simonrvn | basically |
| 04:39.04 | Guerin | michal__: but mail service is still dependent on dns - if your site goes down, but the MX records are good, the mail will be queued remotely and retried |
| 04:39.10 | eddi3 | mwilson i'm still having the same prob. |
| 04:39.14 | Guerin | michal__: this is pretty critical, i think you'll agree. |
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| 04:39.46 | cafuego | Guerin: Normally people pretty much mail the same people over and over, the dns results will be cached anyway. |
| 04:39.58 | michal__ | guerin: that's a good point.. but at the same time we've never had an internet connectivity outage in 3 years. |
| 04:39.59 | Guerin | cafuego: that's not true for, say, orders. |
| 04:40.01 | eddi3 | the kernel is initializing md0 BEFORE the controller drivers are loaded is there a way to change the sequence? |
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| 04:40.06 | Jarrette | hey, i jsut installed debian, it never prompted for a username/pass... what are the defaults? |
| 04:40.13 | cafuego | Guerin: and if not, most servers hold on to mail for an hour or 4 anyway |
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| 04:40.19 | Kobaz | okay, how might i reload grub into the boot sector, a friend of mine just mangled it, and i'm not familiar with grub |
| 04:40.21 | simonrvn | there aren't any |
| 04:40.22 | Strife | to start apache2, all I *should* have to do is sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start, right? |
| 04:40.22 | michal__ | guerin: having the 2 on different links at the same site should be enough |
| 04:40.31 | Guerin | Jarrette: if it didn't ask you a username or pass, it's not debian. |
| 04:40.37 | Guerin | Strife: right. |
| 04:40.38 | simonrvn | Jarrette: there aren't any |
| 04:40.47 | Jarrette | then what the hell... |
| 04:40.51 | ethics | Jarrette, what version? you may wanna try /msg dpkg d-i if its not sarge |
| 04:40.51 | spdf | Jarrette, Er.. Knoppix? |
| 04:40.53 | Strife | ok, now when I try to start apache2 that way, it, well, doesn't get started |
| 04:40.53 | michal__ | guerin: ie ns1 on 2mb hdsl and ns2 on an isdn or adsl link |
| 04:40.55 | Guerin | michal__: your choice. I wouldn't take your service, though. |
| 04:41.02 | Strife | nmap localhost shows there is no port 80 open |
| 04:41.05 | Guerin | oh, i see |
| 04:41.06 | Jarrette | i got the cd image from one of the main torrents, it's debian for sure |
| 04:41.25 | Strife | furthermore, when I try to stop the apache2 service, it says: Stopping web server: Apache2 ... no pidfile found! not running?. |
| 04:41.36 | Guerin | michal__: that's better than two on the same network, but ideally you'd just rent a box somewhere off in the ether. |
| 04:41.42 | ethics | Jarrette - uname -r ?? |
| 04:41.45 | simonrvn | didn't write the pid file, hence didn't run |
| 04:41.54 | Guerin | michal__: the thing is, dns is best left to those people who do it professionally, and in bulk. |
| 04:41.57 | Jarrette | i can't log in.. |
| 04:42.07 | Strife | simonrvn: ok, how can I find out why it didn't run then? |
| 04:42.12 | Guerin | !logs |
| 04:42.13 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 04:42.15 | simonrvn | boot to -b or use another boot medium |
| 04:42.22 | simonrvn | Strife: read the logs |
| 04:42.23 | ethics | michal__ : ive had ISPs hosting my dns records before as a backup server...some do some dont |
| 04:42.38 | Guerin | !tell Jarrette about ifrp |
| 04:42.50 | Kobaz | anyone good with grub? |
| 04:42.50 | ethics | Jarrette, so what have you got onscreen atm? |
| 04:42.53 | Guerin | michal__: you can use a service like zoneedit as a last-resort backup, too. |
| 04:42.55 | simonrvn | uh, init=/bin/bash sorry, not -b |
| 04:42.59 | ethics | Kobaz: ask away |
| 04:43.15 | Kobaz | okay |
| 04:43.16 | Strife | ok, apparently it can't load the perl module, thus it exits |
| 04:43.16 | Kobaz | okay, how might i reload grub into the boot sector, a friend of mine just mangled it, and i'm not familiar with grub |
| 04:43.20 | michal__ | guerin: every time we want to make a change it seems to take weeks to explain what we need done.. and we're getting sick of it |
| 04:43.31 | Guerin | michal__: get something you can edit yourself. |
| 04:44.01 | Guerin | michal__: or just email them an updated zone file |
| 04:44.03 | Kobaz | he booted a rescue disk, and hes got his root fs mounted |
| 04:44.07 | Jarrette | ethics, i have the log in screen :P just a sec though, dpkg sent me some instructions.. |
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| 04:44.20 | Strife | [Mon May 23 23:40:39 2005] [error] Can't load Perl module Apache2 for server localhost.localdomain:0, exiting... |
| 04:44.31 | Kobaz | ethics: how would we redo the grub instal |
| 04:44.33 | Kobaz | l |
| 04:44.33 | michal__ | guerin: then we go through the dance of "we dont' have ay record of hosting this domain.." and try to get us to buy it through them |
| 04:44.40 | Strife | so, what needs to be installed then? perl is installed on my machine already... |
| 04:44.45 | herbi_ | ello |
| 04:44.50 | Guerin | Kobaz: chroot into your root ; mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/whatever ; update-grub |
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| 04:45.04 | herbi_ | slightly off topic, but does anyone remember that thing, similar to tinyurl, where you upload a file or some text and it gives a url for it |
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| 04:45.05 | ethics | Kobaz: i think its the same way as if you install windows bootloader and need to recover...sec ill find a link |
| 04:45.07 | Kobaz | chroo, excellent idea |
| 04:45.09 | Guerin | michal__: you chose a shit dns provider |
| 04:45.12 | Strife | [Mon May 23 23:40:39 2005] [error] Can't locate Apache2.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl |
| 04:45.12 | Strife | 5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . /etc/apache2) at (eval 2) line 3.\n |
| 04:45.12 | herbi_ | but it isnt linked to you in anyway |
| 04:45.13 | michal__ | hmm.. don't know of anywhere that lets you edit your own records |
| 04:45.20 | spdf | herbi_, pastebit? |
| 04:45.23 | spdf | herbi_, pastebin rather.. |
| 04:45.28 | herbi_ | spdf: possibly. let me check it out |
| 04:45.38 | michal__ | guerin: cennect.com who were bought out by AAPT |
| 04:45.51 | Guerin | never heard of them |
| 04:45.52 | michal__ | guerin: before they had been bought out this wasn't a problem |
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| 04:45.59 | Guerin | ah, I see. |
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| 04:46.22 | Guerin | michal__: zoneedit does. |
| 04:46.33 | michal__ | AAPT is one of Australia's three largest telecommunications carriers |
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| 04:46.41 | Guerin | it's a bit clunky, though, and I'm not sure I'd trust it for critical stuff. |
| 04:46.46 | michal__ | hmm.. zoneedit.. will search for it |
| 04:46.53 | herbi_ | spdf: good enough :) ta |
| 04:46.58 | Strife | any clue as to what's wrong that would make apache2 not load the perl module? |
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| 04:47.21 | herbi_ | spdf: how long do pastebins remain? |
| 04:47.25 | ethics | michal__ we only have 3 carriers...everyone else is a subsiduary.....AAPT, Telstra,Singtel(optus) |
| 04:47.30 | herbi_ | or more aptly, how long before they expire? |
| 04:47.32 | simonrvn | Strife: read the changelog for mod-perl2 |
| 04:47.42 | simonrvn | 'CHANGES' |
| 04:47.46 | spdf | herbi_, Check their site faq... |
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| 04:48.05 | herbi_ | spdf: so its different for each pastebin? cos i just googled and found like 50 :P |
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| 04:48.28 | gpm | hey, anyone know how to change the font that firefox uses for the menus (file, edit, view, etc.)? |
| 04:48.30 | Guerin | michal__: the good thing is, though, once you have two solid boxen up and running, you can host arbitrary numbers of domains with them. |
| 04:48.35 | eddi3 | the kernel is initializing md0 BEFORE the controller drivers are loaded is there a way to change the sequence? anyone please? |
| 04:48.43 | spdf | herbi_, How long do you need it to be there? |
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| 04:48.49 | gpm | gtk-theme-switch and firefox's own preferences had no effect... |
| 04:48.58 | Guerin | michal__: it's probably worth the $20 a month you'd pay to a good rootshell provider to do that. |
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| 04:49.24 | bucky | ethics what's your domain name? |
| 04:49.34 | Kobaz | ethics: after grub-install |
| 04:49.35 | michal__ | guerin: is bind the way to go or are there easier solutions ? |
| 04:49.40 | herbi_ | spdf: i dont really mind, i was just curious. for example, pastebin.ca doesnt say how long it remains |
| 04:49.45 | Kobaz | ethics: whats this about update-grub |
| 04:49.47 | Strife | simonrvn: thanks... why this doesn't occur automatically is beyond me though... |
| 04:49.55 | Kobaz | ethics: that doesnt seemt to exist |
| 04:49.58 | spdf | herbi_, I see that "recent posts" go back as far as an hour... so I'd imagine longer than that.. |
| 04:49.58 | michal__ | guerin: well how do you know who has "solid" services? for all we knwo we'd be buying from somone just like us :P |
| 04:50.04 | Guerin | michal__: i dunno, I only run bind9 because there's plenty of documentation for it. |
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| 04:50.24 | bucky | michal__, what's your domain name? |
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| 04:50.30 | Guerin | michal__: i use rimuhosting.com, and they're really good. same-hour email or im support most of the time. |
| 04:50.44 | ethics | bucky, don't have any domains atm hehe.. |
| 04:50.45 | simonrvn | Strife: because it involves hand-editing of files that the maintainer may not know exist, therefore it's up to the admin to edit them |
| 04:51.01 | Tabitha | when installing backports from backports.org (specifically mysql-dsfg), must I also install debconf and debconf-utils? |
| 04:51.16 | Strife | there's a whole page of modifications! |
| 04:51.16 | spdf | herbi_, I'm thinking it stays around for a day or two.. |
| 04:51.20 | simonrvn | is it asking for them? if so, then yes |
| 04:51.28 | silverton | what is the package name for "Sound juicer" ? |
| 04:51.29 | Guerin | Tabitha: it clearly requires some feature not in the told debconf, etc. |
| 04:51.33 | bucky | oh cool... run rimuhosting.com thru http://www.zonecut.net/dns/ |
| 04:51.36 | simonrvn | Strife: tough. edit or apache2 dies ;p |
| 04:51.38 | Guerin | silverton: apt-cache search sound juicer |
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| 04:51.46 | herbi_ | ta spdf |
| 04:51.48 | Guerin | s/told/old/ |
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| 04:51.59 | michal__ | guerin: it makes absolutely no difference that we want to have .au domain names hosted? |
| 04:52.00 | silverton | :x |
| 04:52.04 | silverton | image that sounder-juicer |
| 04:52.05 | Tabitha | Guerin: The following packages will be upgraded debconf debconf-utils mysql-common (after adding backports.org to my /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get upgrading) |
| 04:52.09 | Guerin | michal__: none |
| 04:52.18 | Guerin | Tabitha: yeah. |
| 04:52.27 | ethics | Kobaz, im finding a link for you ... |
| 04:52.27 | Tabitha | Guerin: K thanks :D |
| 04:52.30 | Kobaz | k thanks |
| 04:52.34 | iLLf8d | can anyone in channel who nfsmounts their home partition tell me any downsides they've run into? |
| 04:52.36 | simonrvn | "ohnoz, i gotta edit a whole page of things!!!11" FFS, somewtimes i have to edit 200 pages. learn some shortcuts... |
| 04:52.49 | silverton | Guerin, do you know if rhythmbox can play CDs? And if so, how? I don't see it in the source list |
| 04:53.04 | spdf | silverton, pretty sure it doesn't.. |
| 04:53.11 | stouset | silverton: It doesn't play CDs. |
| 04:53.12 | ethics | iLLf8d, ntfs sucks full stop...problems are bound to happen ...dont do it... |
| 04:53.18 | silverton | it imports from CDs... >.< |
| 04:53.21 | stouset | silverton: Although, IMHO, it should. |
| 04:53.29 | stouset | silverton: You have to use the GNOME CD player =P |
| 04:53.34 | Guerin | silverton: i abhor rhythmbox and all such itunes clones, so you'll excuse me if I have no fucking idea. |
| 04:53.56 | silverton | Guerin, rightyo then sir :P |
| 04:53.56 | iLLf8d | ethics: nfs not ntfs? or was that a typo about nfs |
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| 04:54.47 | ethics | iLLf8d, oh then in that case ignore my disdain for ntfs hehe |
| 04:54.58 | iLLf8d | ah gotcha heh |
| 04:55.17 | silverton | hmm.... "CD Player" doesn't put out any sound... |
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| 04:56.11 | ethics | Kobaz, bah struggling to find it but i had a fix earlier today...im dualbooting tonight also |
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| 04:56.33 | michal__ | guerin: so basically the ideal is to host your own primary name server and have the secondary hosted by a reliable third party which will refresh from the primary? |
| 04:56.42 | Guerin | michal__: right. |
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| 04:56.48 | Guerin | or vice versa |
| 04:56.53 | Kobaz | ethics: heh |
| 04:56.54 | Guerin | depending on which is more reliable |
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| 04:58.19 | michal__ | guerin: does hosting a dns generate much traffic? i seem to remember reading that it didn't but you seem to have a fair grasp of the details so I figured I'd ask :P |
| 04:58.27 | Guerin | michal__: practically none at all. |
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| 04:59.13 | Guerin | michal__: actually, most places have more than two nameservers - it's common to presume one .nine per nameserver, though that's not really a meaningful estimate |
| 04:59.26 | michal__ | guerin: haha.. rimhosting has RataVPS plans hosted in Brisbane, Australia.. where I am |
| 05:00.01 | Guerin | michal__: heh. Yeah. They're actually based in NZ, where I'm from, but my box with them is in texas. |
| 05:00.30 | michal__ | guerin: shame they don't host EXTREMELY limited virtual servers at a lower cost.. given than dns is about all I'd use it for |
| 05:00.53 | iLLf8d | anyone know the right way to use the debian version of automount? seems there /etc/auto.helper scripts that never used to be part of the automounter package and I don't see any debian specific documentation for their modss? |
| 05:01.11 | Guerin | michal__: yeah. it's always good to back up other things, too - web, backups, mail services, etc. |
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| 05:03.49 | ethics | michal__: also the low cost webservers at places like dodo etc are normally plesk or something similar.... |
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| 05:05.00 | michal__ | seems rimhosting doesn't offer "Plesk 7 Web Hosting Control Panel" on the low budget plans |
| 05:05.11 | michal__ | then again i don't even know what plesk7 is |
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| 05:05.39 | stouset | michal__: rimuhosting is pretty good. |
| 05:05.58 | stouset | michal__: I use them. I haven't even thought about them in about a year. |
| 05:05.58 | michal__ | guerin: which plan do you have? |
| 05:06.12 | stouset | michal__: Which is a pretty good thing when you're talking about virtual hosting :-) |
| 05:06.22 | silverton | anyone possibly know why "cd player" and xmms don't put out audio when playing a cd? |
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| 05:06.50 | silverton | I use alsa, and I have xmms set to use alsa as well |
| 05:06.52 | mwilson | <shrug> The cable isn't hooked up between the drive and the audio card? |
| 05:06.54 | stouset | silverton: The audio cable isn't plugged in from the CD player to the sound card? |
| 05:07.03 | mwilson | The CD audio channel is muted? |
| 05:07.35 | silverton | mwilson, stouset, a friend has the same thing without the audio cable to the drive, and his worked |
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| 05:07.44 | silverton | I'll look at that audio channel mwilson |
| 05:07.48 | mwilson | silverton: Good for him. |
| 05:07.53 | Gokee2 | Hey all I am having truble unrar ing a file it says "Bad_Boys_2.mpg - file header broken" I would take it as a bad file and try to find another somewhere but it did that on my last rar too so I think there might be something wrong with how I am trying to unrar it. What i did was in the command line "unrar e Bad_Boys_2_seedet_by_www.torrentboyz.com.rar". Thanks all :) |
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| 05:08.03 | mwilson | silverton: Don't have any idea how that's relevant, but good for him. |
| 05:08.06 | silverton | mwilson, CD audio channel isn't muted |
| 05:08.13 | Guerin | michal__: um, i started off with the $20 one, but i've had some ram added since |
| 05:08.18 | silverton | mwilson, if his works, why shouldn't mine ? |
| 05:08.24 | Wowzer | I have sarge installed...but can't get .htaccess to have ErrorDocument or redirect to work from /var/www/ directory. However, I did get .htaccess to have password for a subdirectory. I've read and googled, but can't find the proper way to mod apache2.conf. Can someone help? |
| 05:08.27 | Guerin | michal__: i run mail, web, dns and shells off it, and it's plenty |
| 05:08.30 | stouset | silverton: Because clearly, he is superior. = |
| 05:08.31 | stouset | =P |
| 05:08.33 | mwilson | Gokee2: Wow, you're a rather stupid pirate, aren't you? |
| 05:08.45 | silverton | stouset, he does have more experience with linux >.< |
| 05:08.47 | spdf | silverton, do you have a digital audio cable from your cdrom to your soundcard/motherboard? |
| 05:08.54 | silverton | spdf, no |
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| 05:09.12 | silverton | I was told that xmms does cda extraction, and plays the result, eliminating the need for it |
| 05:09.13 | Gokee2 | mwilson, Er... I don`t have anyother .rar to ask help with |
| 05:09.25 | spdf | silverton, http://www.linuxjunior.org/yabbse/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=10183 |
| 05:09.30 | dabreegster | Gokee2: the trick is to never give a filename. always use foo or something like that. |
| 05:09.36 | ethics | michal__, plesk = redhat with all the stuff needed to host websites (php nysql etc) and mail serve....username@domainname type pop3 logins...etc....its payfor licensing tho but has support etc |
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| 05:09.51 | Gokee2 | dabreegster, ok... can you help me? |
| 05:09.56 | mwilson | What is linuxjunior.org? Another llinuxquestions? |
| 05:09.56 | silverton | heh, spdf, thanks, this is exactly what I need, I have an Audigy 2 as well |
| 05:10.04 | Guerin | they DO preinstall debian woody, though. as minimal as you like. |
| 05:10.05 | dabreegster | Gokee2: No. No I can't. |
| 05:10.08 | spdf | silverton, Near the bottom... something about xmms and "digital audio extraction" might help you... |
| 05:10.47 | Quentusrex | I am trying to compile the package parGCL. It requires the file page.h from the gcl package. Would this file be unique to GCL or how could I find a copy of it? |
| 05:11.08 | michal__ | Guerin: you running debian in yours? |
| 05:11.36 | silverton | spdf, yeah, I saw that :) checking it now |
| 05:11.36 | Guerin | michal__: hell yeah. sarge now. |
| 05:11.38 | mwilson | I should read linuxquestions more often... it's always good for a laugh. |
| 05:12.02 | silverton | yup! it was set to analog, only christ knows why... |
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| 05:12.30 | mwilson | Probably because that's the way most people use it. |
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| 05:12.42 | spdf | silverton, Working now? |
| 05:12.43 | glick | scuse me how do i kill x? |
| 05:12.45 | silverton | yes! I can listen to cds! |
| 05:12.49 | glick | and start it again? |
| 05:12.51 | silverton | thanks much spdf ! :D |
| 05:13.01 | mwilson | I can't imagine a PC not having that audio cable unless a cluebie deliberately removed it. |
| 05:13.05 | spdf | silverton, I imagine 'analog' is for the people with the cable... |
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| 05:13.19 | silverton | spdf, it is |
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| 05:13.27 | dabreegster | glick: killall -9 XFree86. but that's messy. do /etc/init.d/foo stop where foo is kdm, gdm, or whatever |
| 05:13.33 | silverton | my other drive has the cable I think, but I couldn't get the disc to work in that drive |
| 05:13.47 | silverton | It's been a long time since I've had the case open |
| 05:13.52 | spdf | silverton, You may as well hook it up.. |
| 05:13.53 | dabreegster | glick: start it again? Do you use gdm or kdm? /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 05:14.06 | silverton | spdf, I think I have a few spare cables, I should :P |
| 05:14.06 | spdf | silverton, All the cool kids are doing it.. |
| 05:14.11 | ethics | mwilson...if you have 2-4 optical drives...which ones do you want the audio cable for? 4-1 splits on audio cables not really nice |
| 05:14.18 | silverton | it's a shame that the Audigy 2 doesn't have two cd inputs |
| 05:14.28 | individuality | Hi, I accidentally removed a configuration file in /etc for timidity, is there a way to restore it ? (i have already reinstalled the package) |
| 05:14.29 | silverton | now, xmms needs a cddb |
| 05:14.32 | ethics | mwilson, normally a pc will only have the rom wired |
| 05:14.37 | spdf | ethics, The one you play CD's from? |
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| 05:14.47 | ethics | spdf: yeah |
| 05:14.49 | cafuego | ethics: which one? |
| 05:15.01 | cafuego | ethics: hdb,c,d,e,f,g or h? |
| 05:15.03 | Crell | Hm. The nvidia one liner requires kernel-headers-uname -r. However, I'm running 2.6.11.10, and there do not appear to be any headers for it. |
| 05:15.05 | michal__ | guerin: this has got me interested in hosting my own domain.. i used to own my own private domain but never actually used it.. seems to have lapsed |
| 05:15.06 | ethics | spdf: internal 4 wire |
| 05:15.16 | Crell | Wait, I may be wrong. |
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| 05:15.23 | silverton | Crell, you'll want the 2.6 headers, or the 2.6.11 headers |
| 05:15.43 | cafuego | Crell: if you built the kernel yourself, run m-a nvidia |
| 05:15.54 | mwilson | ethics: Yes... your point? |
| 05:15.59 | silverton | kernel-headers-2.6.11-1 that should be the one you want, unless you do, like cafuego said, built it yourself |
| 05:16.06 | Crell | cafuego: I did, and plan to as per the one liner. |
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| 05:16.23 | Crell | silverton: OK, but what's the package for it? apt-cache search kernel-headers | grep 2.6.11 returned nothing. |
| 05:16.30 | silverton | that is the package for it |
| 05:16.38 | silverton | I c&p'd right off of a apt-cache search |
| 05:16.40 | cafuego | Crell: Oh hold on, just install nvidia-kernel-source and run 'make-kpkg modules-image' in the kernel source tree |
| 05:16.40 | ethics | mwilson: that I can't imagine a PC not having that audio cable unless a cluebie deliberately removed it....may be because not all the roms are wired to the cd-in |
| 05:16.52 | silverton | dude, you don't | grep on an apt-cache search |
| 05:16.54 | simonrvn | binary-arch in make-kpkg is an useful target for making kernel-headers and kernel-image packages |
| 05:17.04 | Crell | Do I also want the glx package? |
| 05:17.12 | cafuego | Crell: yes |
| 05:17.15 | silverton | ethics, mine came with one, but found it useless, so I removed it |
| 05:17.32 | mwilson | ethics: As I said. |
| 05:17.34 | silverton | I ran windows with this machine when I first got it |
| 05:17.41 | mwilson | ethics: A cluebie removed it. |
| 05:17.55 | Crell | Hm. The glx package wants to bring down 2.4.27 version binaries. G'what? |
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| 05:18.11 | mwilson | Crell: Well, yes, what did you expect it to do? |
| 05:18.12 | cafuego | it's evil! |
| 05:18.15 | spdf | ethics, I'd think that if someone had 2-4 drives as you suggested, they'd be able to remember which one had the cable connected.. |
| 05:18.18 | ethics | silverton, hehe...depends on what your doing but yeah for most things it's useless.....in windows analog is the normal way to read cd-audio |
| 05:18.36 | mwilson | ethics: Haven't used windows since Windows 98, huh? |
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| 05:18.37 | silverton | ethics, wmp10 and itunes use digital extraction |
| 05:18.39 | laosiano | how can i enable "new login" button in xscreensaver?? |
| 05:18.42 | silverton | I think wmp9 did as well |
| 05:18.52 | ethics | spdf: depends how often do you play cds? i have all mine mp3ed so i use it very rarely |
| 05:18.58 | simonrvn | laosiano: xscreensaver doesn't do logins |
| 05:19.03 | mwilson | laosiano: Re-write the program to have such a button. |
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| 05:19.09 | Crell | mwilson: Um, something realted to a 2.6 kernel instead of 2.4, maybe? |
| 05:19.09 | silverton | ethics, me as well, I just happen to have a CD that I don't feel like ripping yet |
| 05:19.12 | D_F | Which version of Debian would be best for a server? I want to host HTTPd, FTPd, MySQLd, and IRCd. |
| 05:19.14 | ethics | silverton: audio cd in drive defaults to CDplayer still... |
| 05:19.27 | silverton | ethics, I know... I want to destory that... |
| 05:19.32 | silverton | since CDplayer only does analog |
| 05:19.32 | mwilson | Crell: Why? |
| 05:19.33 | Crell | D_F: Does it have to be absolutely secure against everything, or just pretty darned secure? |
| 05:19.44 | jbmigel | so what to do with linux after its installed and like working good then? |
| 05:19.48 | cafuego | D_F: Probably sarge, it will be released very soon now. |
| 05:19.51 | D_F | Crell: Just pretty darned secure :) |
| 05:19.52 | Crell | mwilson: Well, since I'm running 2.6 and a 2.4-kernel version of the package seems rather silly. |
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| 05:20.06 | D_F | cafuego: Why not Woody? |
| 05:20.10 | Crell | D_F: Sarge. As soon as you install it, switch the sources.list file to say sarge instead of testing. |
| 05:20.11 | ethics | silverton, just trying to point out that the audio cable inside onl goes to 1 of the possible drives because splitting those cables is a bad idea sound wise |
| 05:20.11 | silverton | cafuego, what's the bug count in sarge now? |
| 05:20.16 | michal__ | anyone here have any experiecne with .id domain names? |
| 05:20.17 | cafuego | D_F: woody is a bit crusty |
| 05:20.17 | dabreegster | jbmigel: anything you want. experiment. learn. have fun. |
| 05:20.18 | Crell | That way, when sarge goes stable you will too. |
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| 05:20.19 | laosiano | i read that last xscreensaver version 4.21 allow new logins but i can t manage how to enable that |
| 05:20.27 | silverton | ethics, yes, that is true, so how does an end user know which drive to use? |
| 05:20.28 | CyberShadow | how ho install unrar? manually download from homepage? |
| 05:20.29 | cafuego | silverton: Probably less than 500 but more than 5? |
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| 05:20.34 | spdf | silverton, Last I checked it was at 50 release critical.. |
| 05:20.38 | silverton | cafuego, doing good then! rofl |
| 05:20.38 | D_F | Crell, cafuego: OK. |
| 05:20.49 | jbmigel | dabreegster is there a howto for all that? :) |
| 05:20.49 | dabreegster | CyberShadow: it's a non-free paackage |
| 05:20.53 | silverton | CyberShadow, apt-get install unrar |
| 05:20.55 | revenger | does anyone know where to set up an ldap server within windows? |
| 05:20.56 | silverton | oh |
| 05:20.57 | silverton | okay |
| 05:20.58 | spdf | silverton, http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 05:20.59 | mwilson | Crell: Gee, and you'll actually bother to look at the dependencies for nvidia-glx *when, exactly? |
| 05:21.01 | Crell | Don't install any of the major packages during the installer. Just install what you want from ap-tget when you're done. |
| 05:21.02 | skaught | What about unrar-free? |
| 05:21.03 | silverton | have to add non-free to the sources.list |
| 05:21.09 | Gokee2 | Hey all I am having truble unrar ing a file it says "file header broken" I would take it as a bad file and try to find another somewhere but it did that on my last rar too so I think there might be something wrong with how I am trying to unrar it. What i did was in the command line "unrar e file". Thanks all :) |
| 05:21.10 | cafuego | michal__: Sorry, only com|net|org|edu|au|cn |
| 05:21.13 | cafuego | and nl |
| 05:21.14 | CyberShadow | silverton: Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 05:21.14 | dabreegster | jbmigel: no, it's just general advice. anything in particular you're trying to do? |
| 05:21.14 | CyberShadow | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 05:21.14 | CyberShadow | is only available from another source |
| 05:21.26 | ethics | silverton, normally...and i say normally as a person who used to build them ofr a ew different companies ...but if you have a reader only drive to use that...its the cheapest drive to replace so you want it doing the most work.. |
| 05:21.26 | spdf | CyberShadow, do you have non-free in your sources? |
| 05:21.27 | silverton | CyberShadow, :-/ |
| 05:21.28 | pureone | http://www.bbspot.com/Images/News_Features/2005/04/gr_msft_bsod_lg.gif |
| 05:21.28 | D_F | Crell: What is the best way to get Sarge? Last time I remember I saw 15 ISOs... |
| 05:21.33 | CyberShadow | no, what's the server? |
| 05:21.42 | cafuego | D_F: the netinst iso |
| 05:21.49 | silverton | ethics, yes, mine was connected to the DVD-rom drive, and not the burner |
| 05:21.50 | dabreegster | !d-i |
| 05:21.50 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 05:21.56 | Crell | D_F: You want the netinstaller CD. It's like 100 MB, pulls everything over the network. Very nice. |
| 05:21.57 | ethics | silverton, barring that the one highest in the case if the cables long enough |
| 05:21.58 | jbmigel | dabreegster id like to move around my desktop in 3d using 2 mice... can i do that? |
| 05:22.02 | D_F | cafuego: I kind of want to have it on a disc to keep in case I need to reinstall though. |
| 05:22.03 | spdf | pureone, Haven't seen that one.. |
| 05:22.13 | Crell | Or get the BBC netinst version, if you want to be leet about it. :-) |
| 05:22.20 | mwilson | Crell: It depends on nvidia-kernel. If you don't like the version of nvidia-kernel provided in the package archive, you are invited to build one for yourself you like better. |
| 05:22.24 | cafuego | D_F: Well, you could fetch iso 1 and 2, that'll probably do. |
| 05:22.32 | CyberShadow | what's the non-free entry I need to add to sources.list? |
| 05:22.35 | silverton | ethics, also true, my dvd rom drive was at the top of the case |
| 05:22.39 | silverton | well, the top most drive bay |
| 05:22.40 | dabreegster | jbmigel: no clue. I recall seeing a package that had something to do with a 3d desktop though. apt-cache search 3d? |
| 05:22.45 | michal__ | Guerin: btw.. did you go for MataiVPS1 or TawaVPS1 ? |
| 05:22.47 | D_F | cafuego: My server runs Slackware at the moment, but Apache's acting real weird. |
| 05:22.47 | skaught | CyberShadow: What version of RAR is it encoded in? |
| 05:22.49 | Crell | mwilson: Right... then why was I just recommended to install the glx package as well? |
| 05:22.50 | silverton | still is, even though I've changed cases since then |
| 05:22.53 | silverton | but, I got used to it |
| 05:22.56 | ethics | silverton, hehe i think it's just a general conformist thing hehe |
| 05:23.04 | CyberShadow | skaught: wrong person |
| 05:23.06 | cafuego | D_F: I run apache and apache2 on my hosting box, working fine. |
| 05:23.15 | ethics | jbmigel, Spyglass i think is what your talk9ing about |
| 05:23.19 | CyberShadow | 3.4 |
| 05:23.21 | mwilson | Crell: Why wouldn't you want to install the glx pacakge? You don't actually intend to USE the driver for anything? |
| 05:23.34 | D_F | cafuego: I had Apache working fine on CentOS4, but that's RH crap. I only used it because it was a gaming server. |
| 05:23.37 | ethics | jbmigel, and no you cant have it yet...nothing 3d desktop wise is really stable or usefull yet |
| 05:23.46 | spdf | CyberShadow, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add non-free to the end of the line for the debian rep.. |
| 05:23.55 | skaught | CyberShadow: Ah ok, just checking. Previous to 3.0 can use unrar-free :) |
| 05:23.57 | ethics | jbmigel, its just pretty wank factor stuff so far that ive seen |
| 05:23.59 | silverton | CyberShadow, then run apt-get update |
| 05:24.06 | silverton | CyberShadow, after doing what spdf told you |
| 05:24.20 | silverton | anyways, off to spend quality time with teh girlfriend |
| 05:24.21 | CyberShadow | thanks all |
| 05:24.25 | cafuego | 237 vhosts currently |
| 05:24.41 | jbmigel | :( |
| 05:24.41 | furrywolf | foo2zjs seems generally broken... |
| 05:24.51 | D_F | cafuego: Which is actually more stable out of Debian and Slackware? Stability is a big issue for me. And speed. |
| 05:25.02 | cafuego | D_F: Debian. |
| 05:25.08 | mwilson | Slackware doesn't check dependencies on packages, doesn't install security/bugfix patches, and has no means of upgrading itself without trashing your system settings. You don't "upgrade" things in slackware, you attempt to install something, then try to fix whatever the crap broke. |
| 05:25.19 | Crell | mwilson: .... OK, so let me get this straight. Yes, I should install the nvidia-glx package. But if I don't like that it wants to install the 2.4.27 version of the kernel module instead of the 2.6 version, then I shouldn't install it. Um, what? |
| 05:25.21 | cafuego | D_F: Debian has decent bugfix management, makes life REAL easy. |
| 05:25.24 | D_F | cafuego: Is there a comparison chart for Slackware and Debian? |
| 05:25.30 | D_F | cafuego: I love APT :D |
| 05:25.46 | Crell | D_F: You're in a biased channel. ;-) But Slack isn't a distribution, it's an installer. Once it's on, you're on your own. |
| 05:26.03 | D_F | Crell: Yeah - I guess you're right. |
| 05:26.04 | Crell | Apt, and more importantly debconf, make administration and maintenance of Debian FAR easier. |
| 05:26.06 | mwilson | Crell: Uh, no, you should grow a clue. v7174 of nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel of the same version. |
| 05:26.26 | cafuego | D_F: the only slack I have experience with is slackware 3.0, a 1995 install with libc5 and a 2.0.x kernel (still going) |
| 05:26.39 | mwilson | Crell: nvidia-kernel is provided by several packaged collections of kernel modules. If none of those suit your taste, then build your own. |
| 05:26.40 | D_F | cafuego: I have Slackware 10.1 on there at the moment |
| 05:26.43 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: Slackware can install security/bugfix packages with third party software such as slapt-get or swaret. |
| 05:26.48 | cafuego | newfangled crap ;-) |
| 05:26.51 | furrywolf | why can't I find where ICMs should be stored? the list cups gives doesn't list the one for my printer, that's in the default location it installed itself to... |
| 05:27.16 | Crell | mwilson: I'm following the directions cafuego gave me 10 minutes ago. There's no need for you to get insulting. If you'd rather offer something USEFUL in the way of information, please do. |
| 05:27.45 | cafuego | Crell: compile and install nvidia-kernel first, then install nvidia-glx |
| 05:27.56 | furrywolf | nor can I find any of the ones it lists! |
| 05:28.00 | Crell | Ahhh... |
| 05:28.44 | ethics | Crell: waxon....then waxoff... |
| 05:28.49 | furrywolf | brb |
| 05:29.02 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know if you inject yourself with Ice water... would it do any damage? |
| 05:29.03 | ethics | home time for me....cyas in a bit |
| 05:29.05 | Jarrette | ugh, i forgot to/missed the prompt to set a username and pass while installing debian. now when i try to set a pass, i get an "authentication token manipulation error: |
| 05:29.08 | Jarrette | *" |
| 05:29.19 | ethics | TwistedEmotions, where you injecting it? |
| 05:29.20 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: No, only if there are bubbles in the water |
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| 05:29.33 | TwistedEmotions | ethics: Arm? |
| 05:29.36 | D_F | OK - so I should get Sarge for a server? |
| 05:29.40 | cafuego | if you hit an artery it might give you aheadache |
| 05:29.42 | jbmigel | TwistedEmotions man get a job and buy some smack... stop faking it |
| 05:29.48 | maher | TwistedEmotions: that's really not a good idea |
| 05:29.55 | TwistedEmotions | I was thinking... should help me cool off.. |
| 05:30.03 | cureless | ? |
| 05:30.11 | jbmigel | lol! ice water junky |
| 05:30.18 | maher | TwistedEmotions: drink the iced water? pour it over your head? |
| 05:30.21 | cureless | drinking some liquid nitrogen will help you cool off too. |
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| 05:30.26 | TwistedEmotions | fucking hot in my room... figured bypass the problem.. |
| 05:30.26 | dabreegster | Goodnight y'all. |
| 05:30.30 | ethics | ethics, youll be fine....dont inject into your neck or anything tho....you need it to mix with the blood before it hits jour brain or youll get icreame headaches 8) |
| 05:30.32 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: Yes, if you do it right, it'll take you right down to room temperature |
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| 05:30.34 | spdf | D_F, It works great.. |
| 05:30.37 | Crell | D_F: Sarge is close enough to stable these days and the improvements over Woody large enough that I'd recommend it for most uses over Woody. |
| 05:30.42 | Crell | I use sarge for my server, sid for my desktop. |
| 05:30.57 | spdf | Same here |
| 05:31.02 | TwistedEmotions | ethics: you a doctor? have you tried this before? |
| 05:31.08 | D_F | Crell: I use Ubuntu for my desktop, Slackware for my server. |
| 05:31.11 | Guerin | michal__: the production-grade one, with less ram. when i started with them, they didn't offer a tier-2 sort of thing. |
| 05:31.17 | D_F | cafuego: Yeah, Ubuntu is greate. |
| 05:31.23 | Crell | I've been meaning to give Kubuntu a try. |
| 05:31.23 | jbmigel | so like the day after sarge is released will all sort of havor break loose in "testing" repositories? |
| 05:31.34 | Guerin | jbmigel: probably. |
| 05:31.36 | ethics | TwistedEmotions, im not a doctor, im a physio.... |
| 05:31.37 | rob_lt | Do you guys/gals think it would be possible to use an ubuntu kernel on a sarge machine? I'm thinking of pulling down their 2.6.12 kernel. |
| 05:31.37 | cafuego | D_F: Well, it does amd64, whereas debian doesn't really |
| 05:31.37 | TwistedEmotions | I swear it could work.. |
| 05:31.38 | jbmigel | should i set to "sarge" now then?? |
| 05:31.44 | D_F | Crell: Ubuntu better than Kubuntu. |
| 05:31.50 | Jarrette | TwistedEmotions, don't be a dumbass.. you couldn't possibly be that hot that you'd need to inject yourself with cold water |
| 05:31.52 | skaught | jbmigel: It'll happen in unstable first, then in testing shortly after |
| 05:31.57 | cureless | rob_lt, what's wrong with our kernel? |
| 05:32.05 | Guerin | jbmigel: well, not exactly. it'll be slower than that. First unstable will start breaking, then things will filter down. |
| 05:32.05 | cafuego | rob_lt: there is no such thing as a 2.6.12 kernel |
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| 05:32.11 | Crell | jbmigel: Are you currently set to testing? I'd switch it to sarge and wait out the massive post-sarge changes for a while. :-) |
| 05:32.13 | ethics | TwistedEmotions, no i havent tried this before.....its not that hot in airconditioned comfort.... |
| 05:32.14 | spdf | I would imagine that injecting water is far worse than just sitting in a cold bath.. |
| 05:32.15 | D_F | So after I have Sarge installed, I set the default repository to "sarge" instead of "testing"? |
| 05:32.21 | Guerin | rob_lt: no way. build your own, if you must |
| 05:32.23 | spdf | Injecting water wouldn't do anything for your core temperature anyway.. |
| 05:32.25 | TwistedEmotions | Jarrette: Ever live in california? |
| 05:32.27 | Crell | D_F: Same thing, but KDE vs. Gnome by default. I'm a KDE guy. Otherwise they're identical. |
| 05:32.29 | vijay | my laptop doesnt show how much battery backup i have |
| 05:32.30 | cafuego | D_F: yep |
| 05:32.31 | skaught | D_F: Nah, do it now |
| 05:32.32 | Jarrette | no, i live in canada :P |
| 05:32.39 | cureless | D_F, yes, sarge instead of testing now. |
| 05:32.40 | jbmigel | Crell ya that sounds like a good idea to switch it now |
| 05:32.42 | Guerin | Crell: they're not identical - the appload is totally different. |
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| 05:33.03 | D_F | Crell: KDE is too crash-prone and slow for me. O |
| 05:33.08 | Crell | I thought it was just one meta package difference. |
| 05:33.10 | rob_lt | cureless, I'm having issues with my dvd burner causing a kernel oops when I unplug it. I did build my own 2.6.12-rc4-mm2 kernel and that did the trick |
| 05:33.10 | D_F | Crell: I'm an XFCE man, myself. |
| 05:33.27 | mwilson | brrr... people who voluntarily admit they use KDE... |
| 05:33.28 | cureless | rob_lt, what debian kernel where you using? |
| 05:33.28 | Guerin | Crell: which brings in a whole shitload of new apps and bugs. |
| 05:33.28 | cafuego | rob_lt: fireware? |
| 05:33.29 | Crell | D_F: Ah, figures. :-) I only use that on really low end systems. I really like KDE, and just installed 3.4. Purdy. |
| 05:33.29 | rob_lt | but I'm on a new machine and I thought it might be just as easy to use ubuntu's for now. |
| 05:33.31 | cafuego | s/a/e/ |
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| 05:33.39 | Guerin | anyway, this is all way offtopic for #debian |
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| 05:33.42 | glick | damn these fans |
| 05:33.47 | Crell | Quite. :-) |
| 05:33.53 | glick | how much do you think it will cost to get laptop fans replaced? |
| 05:33.55 | cureless | rob_lt, I have no problem with my burner... oh wait, I compiled my kernel. |
| 05:34.04 | Guerin | glick: fuck all, if you install them yourself. |
| 05:34.06 | ethics | Crell_ debian has a different version of KDE/Gnome etc to unbutu also i thinks |
| 05:34.08 | TwistedEmotions | ethics: I got the idea from platelete donation... that shit is trippy.. |
| 05:34.12 | maher | rob_lt: what interface |
| 05:34.14 | Guerin | if you can, i mean. |
| 05:34.17 | spdf | Ubuntu uses X.org does it now |
| 05:34.17 | rob_lt | cureless, 2.6.11 from sid, and I was using 2.6.8 from sarge, both with the same issue. 2.6.12-rc4 with the mm2 patches (not sure the mm's were necessary) and the problem went away. |
| 05:34.19 | glick | Guerin, i have no idea how to do that |
| 05:34.22 | D_F | So Debian is good for a webserver? |
| 05:34.26 | spdf | s/w/t/ |
| 05:34.27 | Guerin | glick: if you need special parts, be prepared to pay. |
| 05:34.31 | jbmigel | glick i have a friend who taped a 60mm fan to the outside vent on his laptop for highpowered fanness |
| 05:34.31 | Guerin | D_F: hell yeah. |
| 05:34.32 | rob_lt | maher, it is an external usb 2.0 dvd burner. As soon as I unplug it, system hangs. |
| 05:34.34 | Crell | ethics: Some differences, yes. (K)Ubuntu is a bit more up to date than Sid. |
| 05:34.39 | spdf | d_f, That's what I run mine on.. |
| 05:34.45 | Crell | D_F: Debian's good for any server. :-) |
| 05:35.06 | spdf | jbmigel, Sounds like a "red gree" fix :) |
| 05:35.10 | ethics | TwistedEmotions, hehe..yeah been there a few times off link from mates..... i know it may be a bit bold of me but have you perhaps tried non internal cooling methods? |
| 05:35.18 | maher | rob_lt: mine works fine on 2.6.11-1-k7 |
| 05:35.20 | jbmigel | spdf lol he used some duck tape too! |
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| 05:35.24 | sudha | hi |
| 05:35.25 | spdf | God damn wireless keyboard... keep missing keys and see what happens to you.. |
| 05:35.27 | iLLf8d | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:35.42 | tarzeau | bob2: i want either aua.au or tu.mir.nicht.weh.au |
| 05:35.44 | D_F | Good, Debian Sarge it is. |
| 05:35.46 | cureless | spdf, my keyboard doesn't miss, but my mouse does, and it goes to sleep to fast, I hate that. |
| 05:35.48 | glick | a windows newbie is asking me what distro would be better for a newbie mandrake or suse? |
| 05:35.52 | Crell | spdf: Yeah, happens to me too at times. :-) |
| 05:35.56 | TwistedEmotions | Dont know if you have ever donated white blood cells... but basically.. the stick a needle in both arms... one side pulls ouf normal blood... goes into a machine... pulls out white blood cells... also blood cools and then goes back into you... interesting feeling... |
| 05:36.02 | Guerin | glick: neither |
| 05:36.02 | john | glick: mandrake, but it's called mandrivia |
| 05:36.03 | tarzeau | glick: crap. Debian |
| 05:36.04 | ethics | Crell, im sarge....wont touch SID for a while...i didnt think sid was really useable yet |
| 05:36.07 | Crell | MDK used to be good, but it's gotten very bloated and buggy in recent versions. |
| 05:36.12 | TwistedEmotions | I was going to actually try it... just wondering if it could work. |
| 05:36.12 | Guerin | mandrivel or luse |
| 05:36.14 | spdf | cureless, I think my batteries are getting low. don't really know until they die, or if I boot into windows.. but who wants to do that.. |
| 05:36.15 | rob_lt | maher, you used make-kpkg? It's not a big deal for me to compile my own kernel, I've done it many times, but I just did a fresh install and really can't be bothered right now ;) |
| 05:36.17 | Crell | ethics: Sid is always Unstable, forever and ever. |
| 05:36.19 | cureless | glick, the best is what your friends will help you with. If you're his friend bring him to debian |
| 05:36.24 | Guerin | they're both broken to the core |
| 05:36.25 | maher | rob_lt: standard kernel |
| 05:36.35 | Guerin | !cureless++ |
| 05:36.49 | Crell | The next testing after sarge is called etch. Sid remains Unstable. |
| 05:36.58 | Tabitha | ok.. I have an apt-pinning problem now. Two backport repositories provide mysql-server, however I want only one of them to be the place I get it from -- backports.org --- I've tried pinning origin backports.org for the mysql-* package, however this is not working. What am I doing wrong? |
| 05:37.01 | rob_lt | maher, where did you get 2.6.11 k7 from? Is there a repository for custom kernels somewhere? |
| 05:37.06 | ethics | Crell: yeah but does it work enough to be moved to testing once testing is stablev2 |
| 05:37.08 | maher | rob_lt: its in unstable |
| 05:37.13 | jbmigel | glick i think ubuntu is good for starters... he can grow up to debian after a while of that |
| 05:37.16 | cureless | spdf, I've booted windows once since I've had my wireless keyb/mouse, I haven't installed the drivers. But my mouse batteries already died once. Found that out the hard way. |
| 05:37.18 | Crell | Er, you mean Sid? |
| 05:37.24 | Guerin | Tabitha: it sounds like you actually want to uninstall all your backports and upgrade to sarge. |
| 05:37.29 | Crell | Sid never moves. |
| 05:37.48 | cureless | rob_lt, it's in unstable. |
| 05:37.52 | eeyore- | etch ... at this rate it will be well into the next century before we move to Toy Story 2 |
| 05:37.53 | ethics | whats the big deal between 2.6.8 and 2.6.12 kernels anyways? i didnt think there was a stable above 8 yet |
| 05:38.12 | spdf | cureless, When I'm less than 6 inches from the base it's time to change the batteries.. lol |
| 05:38.15 | Crell | Packages go into Sid as they are built. When they reach a certain stability threshhold, they get copied down to Testing. Every few years, Testing gets frozen, tweaked, and called Stable. |
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| 05:38.19 | cafuego | eeyore-: hint: we're already well into the next century ;-) |
| 05:38.19 | Crell | Sid never changes. |
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| 05:38.25 | Guerin | ethics: nothing above .8 is in testing, but the current kernel.org stable release is 2.6.11.10 |
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| 05:38.39 | Crell | ethics: 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 were horribly broken kernels. |
| 05:38.43 | Tabitha | Guerin: /etc/apt/pinning lives at http://pastebin.ca/12496 |
| 05:38.48 | Tabitha | er.. |
| 05:38.50 | eeyore- | oh yeah, how come 2.4.30 isn't even in sid? |
| 05:38.54 | Tabitha | /etc/apt/preferences ;) |
| 05:38.57 | cureless | iirc unstable is at 2.6.11.7 or so. |
| 05:38.59 | eeyore- | you'd think it'd make it in sid by now |
| 05:39.00 | Crell | 2.6.12 is still in PR stage. 2.6.11.10 is the most cutting edge stable kernel with Linus' official blessing. |
| 05:39.00 | Guerin | Tabitha: i'm not going to help you pin two backports. just upgrade to sarge already. |
| 05:39.04 | mwilson | eeyore-: Because no one has uploaded it. |
| 05:39.07 | ethics | Guerin, Crell i thought the odd numbers were unstable and even were stable....? |
| 05:39.21 | Tabitha | Guerin: This is a production server--I cannot do that at this moment. I just need updated mysql for now |
| 05:39.30 | rob_lt | maher, clueless: right... I got mixed up for a second there with the ck patches and k7, I thought k7 was a patch set, not an architecture. I'm using 2.6.11 right now, from unstable, and my system hangs when I remove the usb cable from the machine. |
| 05:39.32 | Crell | That's the old setup. :-) |
| 05:39.32 | Guerin | ethics: the odd series numbers are development - 2.3; 2.5, etc |
| 05:39.32 | spdf | ethics, for major version.. |
| 05:39.39 | cureless | ethics, sort of, but for the second number. |
| 05:39.43 | jbmigel | does anyone know sources listing for amd64 sarge security updates? |
| 05:39.47 | cafuego | Guerin: They used to be, yes. |
| 05:39.50 | ethics | ahh cool cool...makes more sense |
| 05:39.54 | Crell | The new setup, 2.6.X is a mostly stable version. 2.6.X.Y is the bug-fix level changes. |
| 05:40.05 | Guerin | cafuego: they still are - since there's no 2.7 yet :) |
| 05:40.11 | maher | rob_lt: file a bug |
| 05:40.16 | Crell | So 2.6.12 will have some feature changes. 2.6.12.1, 2.6.12.2, etc. will be bugfixes only. |
| 05:40.17 | cafuego | jbmigel: Sarge amd64 is not supported and thus has no (and won't have) security updates. |
| 05:40.30 | maher | rob_lt: better, learn about debugging the kernel |
| 05:40.33 | ethics | so why dont we have a 2.6.10/11 in testing? anyparticular reason? |
| 05:40.35 | cafuego | Guerin: It's not certain there will be a 2.7 at all |
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| 05:40.53 | jbmigel | cafuego hehe ok that explains why i cant find links! so i have no security updates till etch release then you mean? |
| 05:41.06 | spdf | ethics, It won't be in until after sarge is released I imagine.. since its frozen.. |
| 05:41.08 | rob_lt | maher, I captured the errors from dmesg, but since the problem "seems" fixed in a later kernel, I was going to wait and see what happens. |
| 05:41.10 | MobyTurbo | Linus himself doesn't recommend that people use 2.6 vanilla kernels, but rather to use bugfix-patched vendor kernels. |
| 05:41.17 | cureless | cafuego, but it is certain there will be something other than 2.6 in the future. |
| 05:41.19 | D_F | Which kernel is better for a server, 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 05:41.25 | maher | rob_lt: use a later kernel then? |
| 05:41.27 | ethics | jbmigel, security is up on testing |
| 05:41.28 | cafuego | cureless: Maybe. OpenBSD might take over. |
| 05:41.30 | eeyore- | D_F: i like 2.6 with CK patches |
| 05:41.33 | MobyTurbo | anyone who uses a vanilla kernel on a production machine is asking for trouble. |
| 05:41.36 | Crell | 2.6. |
| 05:41.44 | cureless | D_F, I say use 2.6 unless you are already on 2.4 and want to stay there. |
| 05:41.47 | jbmigel | ethics for x86_64? |
| 05:41.49 | Guerin | cafuego: yeah, but until that time my statement is true :) |
| 05:41.55 | Crell | 2.4 is more aged, but the HW support is lower and the new scheduler can make a difference on high-volume servers. |
| 05:42.02 | ethics | jbmigel, hmm maybee no 64..... |
| 05:42.04 | D_F | Why 2.6? Because it's preemtpible? |
| 05:42.06 | Guerin | Tabitha: raise the pin on the mysql repo you want. |
| 05:42.08 | rob_lt | maher, I plan on it... that is why I was asking if I could just use an ubuntu rc 2.6.12 kernel instead of spending the time compiling my own, at least for the time being ;) |
| 05:42.09 | ethics | !testing security |
| 05:42.09 | cafuego | Guerin: Be that as it may, I must disagree on principle. |
| 05:42.09 | dpkg | Testing *finally* has security updates. (This was one of the prerequisites for sarge's freeze.) Try "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main" (add " contrib non-free" if you like). |
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| 05:42.12 | Crell | MobyTurbo: Then I guess I've been asking for trouble for years. :-) |
| 05:42.25 | maher | rob_lt: try it and see... |
| 05:42.28 | jm_ | D_F: 2.4 also has preempt and low latency patches |
| 05:42.29 | D_F | s/preemtpible/preemptible |
| 05:42.29 | eeyore- | Crell: and with CK patches it is very conservative and doesn't dip into swap unless it has to |
| 05:42.42 | rob_lt | maher, yeah... I think I will. What's the worst that can happen ;) |
| 05:42.44 | cafuego | ethics: that only works for officially suppiorted arches, which as I told jbmigel, sarge is not. |
| 05:42.49 | D_F | Well if 2.6 is so much better, why do Slackware and Debian still come with 2.4? |
| 05:42.59 | maher | rob_lt: your machine will catch fire and burn to the ground |
| 05:43.01 | Crell | Inertia. -) |
| 05:43.11 | Crell | eeyore-: patches? |
| 05:43.16 | ethics | cafuego, ahh ignore me then...missed a line above i guess |
| 05:43.20 | Crell | CD patches? |
| 05:43.25 | Crell | bah! CK patches? :-) |
| 05:43.26 | jm_ | Sarge has both 2.4 and 2.6 on installation media, 2.6 was for from available when Woody came out |
| 05:43.29 | eeyore- | Crell: CK (Con Kolivas) |
| 05:43.35 | jm_ | for=far |
| 05:43.45 | michal__ | michal |
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| 05:43.48 | michal__ | hmm |
| 05:43.49 | rob_lt | maher, I can only hope :) |
| 05:43.51 | cureless | D_F, don't change something unless it's broken (or the update is _really_ worth it). That said, the default is 2.4, but 2.6 is there. |
| 05:43.52 | michal__ | that didn't work |
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| 05:44.39 | michal__ | aha |
| 05:44.44 | michal__ | that DID work.. just not for me |
| 05:44.46 | michal__ | someone say my name |
| 05:44.50 | spdf | michal__, What? |
| 05:44.53 | jm_ | my name |
| 05:45.03 | michal__ | ok.. just highlighting messages with my nick in them |
| 05:45.08 | Tabitha | Guerin: http://pastebin.ca/12496 is /etc/apt/preferences... the mysql one is the highest pin (502) |
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| 05:45.19 | bucky | michal__: but out of the 25,000 people logged on to the server probably a couple have the nick michal |
| 05:45.20 | cafuego | michal__: Yes, your own messages don't get hilighted |
| 05:45.24 | michal__ | i missed a hell of a lot of responses earlier that i only just found now with a search |
| 05:45.26 | Danar | can someone help me? i can't save a document on a floppy... |
| 05:45.34 | cureless | Danar, why not? |
| 05:45.43 | Danar | the floppy is mounted on /floppy as /dev/fd0 |
| 05:45.47 | Danar | i have permissions |
| 05:45.47 | michal__ | bucky: not many in the same channel |
| 05:45.55 | cureless | Danar, so? |
| 05:45.57 | Danar | i'm trying to save a document from open office |
| 05:45.59 | Guerin | Tabitha: both of those which reference mysql are 550 |
| 05:46.01 | jbmigel | Danar that stupid floppy tab thing?? |
| 05:46.02 | ethics | so how does the kernel changes effect debian?...i have audio, IVTV,Nvidia, Wacom stuff which all changes in the 2.6.10 kernel i think from what ive read... |
| 05:46.10 | Danar | but it says 'general input output error' |
| 05:46.17 | cafuego | Danar: Broken floppy |
| 05:46.19 | Danar | jbmigel: sorry? |
| 05:46.25 | Danar | cafuego: nah, i tried another one... |
| 05:46.26 | MobyTurbo | Crell: it used to be safe to use vanilla kernels, their status as being non-production-system-ready is recent, though actually there weren't a few 2.4 kernels that were buggy. |
| 05:46.29 | ethics | with kernel updates comes new kernel modules yah? |
| 05:46.31 | cafuego | You did remember that floppy disks suck, didn't you? |
| 05:46.33 | Tabitha | Guerin: Shouldn't that be the one selected then? |
| 05:46.38 | jbmigel | Danar there is a tab in top corner of floppy to make it read-only |
| 05:46.45 | Danar | oh yeah |
| 05:46.45 | spdf | Floppy disks are so last week. |
| 05:46.51 | Danar | should be so there's no hole, right? |
| 05:46.55 | Guerin | Tabitha: WHICH one? according to that document, you have WTO repos pinned at 550. |
| 05:46.56 | cafuego | spdf: last millennium |
| 05:47.04 | spdf | last universe. |
| 05:47.04 | jbmigel | Danar i think so |
| 05:47.06 | cureless | literally |
| 05:47.07 | Danar | er, it's down... |
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| 05:47.14 | Danar | i thought that's how it's supposed to be |
| 05:47.18 | bucky | Danar, umount it and use mcopy file a: |
| 05:47.19 | Crell | MobyTurbo: As I discovered with 2.6.8, which broke my USB devices something fierce. That's why I'm more cautious now. |
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| 05:47.29 | Tabitha | Guerin: one for libmysqlclient12 and one for mysql-* -- both pointing to backports.org |
| 05:47.36 | Guerin | Tabitha: if you're talking about mysql-* packages; yes, it does look like they should be drawing from the backports.org repo |
| 05:47.43 | Guerin | yes |
| 05:47.43 | bucky | mtools are pretty good for that |
| 05:47.53 | Guerin | Tabitha: tried installing them using -t? |
| 05:47.59 | ethics | Crell: i fear half my peripherals will die next kernel change hehe |
| 05:48.00 | jm_ | one should be a hole, indicating it's a HD floppy, the other not (RW protection) |
| 05:48.09 | ethics | Crell: lots of fixups to do then |
| 05:48.09 | furrywolf | I think I'm going to give up for tonight. the foo2zjs package is broken, and installing from source (as linuxprinting.org recommends on debian systems due to the package being broken) doesn't put things where debian wants them, since debian does things its own way. |
| 05:48.19 | jbmigel | Danar yeah its supposed to be down so you cant see through it |
| 05:48.23 | Tabitha | Guerin: no |
| 05:48.24 | Crell | ethics: I know the feeling. :-) |
| 05:48.32 | Danar | it is... |
| 05:48.44 | Guerin | Tabitha: this is why backports suck massively. |
| 05:49.20 | Danar | umount says device is busy |
| 05:49.23 | eeyore- | need to combine debian patches with gentoo portage :-> |
| 05:49.28 | ethics | Crell: i think i have 8 devices which are not working out of box in 2.6.8 but are in 2.6.10 but need reconfigs everywhere...for instance waom tables are now under a different /dev name i think and my entire sound module changes hehe |
| 05:49.41 | Danar | oh, and it's saying the file exists 'overwrite?' |
| 05:49.58 | Danar | but when i say yes, it gives a "general i/o error" |
| 05:50.02 | Danar | and the file is not there |
| 05:50.11 | cafuego | Danar: is the file bigger then 1.4Mb? |
| 05:50.19 | Guerin | Danar: save it somewhere else |
| 05:50.27 | jbmigel | lol |
| 05:50.28 | Danar | nope |
| 05:50.30 | jm_ | Danar: check your logs for possible I/O errors - trash your floppy disc if you see them |
| 05:50.31 | spdf | Is the drive any good? |
| 05:50.32 | Crell | ethics: Best advice is to make sure you're using udev and to NOT TOUCH the udev.rules file. :-) |
| 05:50.33 | Guerin | i/o error might mean your disc or your drive are fux0r3d |
| 05:50.35 | Danar | Guerin: i need to save it to a floppy |
| 05:50.39 | cafuego | Did I mention floppies suck? |
| 05:50.39 | jbmigel | yeah go buy a dvd burner already geez :P |
| 05:50.46 | Crell | It improves steadily on its own. Add your own additions in the rules.d directory. |
| 05:50.47 | Guerin | Danar: save it to disc and copy it to floppy |
| 05:50.58 | cafuego | a 32Mb usb key should cost in between $nothing and $10 |
| 05:51.02 | ethics | Crell hehe i havent even touched udev hehe RTFM before now and then hehe |
| 05:51.02 | Crell | Recent versions of udev are getting fairly darned good. |
| 05:51.04 | Danar | floppy0: disk absent or changed during operation |
| 05:51.04 | Danar | end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 21 |
| 05:51.04 | Danar | FAT: unable to read inode block for updating (i_pos 338) |
| 05:51.12 | spdf | They gave them away for free at my brothers school |
| 05:51.17 | jm_ | heh |
| 05:51.29 | jbmigel | Danar was the floppy formatted? |
| 05:51.30 | Crell | udev is weird, but once you get the hang of it it's a marked improvement over what didn't exist before. :-) |
| 05:51.34 | Guerin | Danar: http://www.dontusefloppydiskstheysuck.com |
| 05:51.41 | Danar | shoulda been |
| 05:51.42 | ethics | crell cool...well im off home |
| 05:51.44 | furrywolf | and I don't know nearly enough about ICM and gs to figure out what the fuck is wrong with it |
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| 05:51.56 | spdf | Anyone else click that hoping it was a real domain? |
| 05:51.57 | Guerin | Danar: and see also http://ifyoureallymust.getanewfuckingboxofdisks.net |
| 05:52.07 | spdf | ...that one too? |
| 05:52.23 | Danar | ok, i just changed disks, and tried to save again, but it's still saying it's already there, and won't let me "overwrite" it |
| 05:52.37 | spdf | How old are those disks? |
| 05:52.43 | cafuego | Danar: You didn't unmount and remount, did you. |
| 05:52.45 | Danar | Guerin: no choice. and i have lots |
| 05:52.45 | Guerin | Danar: did you unmount/mount the disk? |
| 05:52.54 | Danar | cafuego: won't let me |
| 05:52.58 | jm_ | heh |
| 05:53.00 | eeyore- | Danar: cd out of the directory |
| 05:53.03 | Guerin | umount -l |
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| 05:53.08 | Guerin | christ |
| 05:53.12 | cafuego | Danar: So you just RIPPED it out and inserted another one? Sheesh, |
| 05:53.12 | Crell | OK, going to restart to try out the nvidia drivers. See ya! |
| 05:53.19 | cafuego | Danar: No wonder the disks are busted |
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| 05:53.20 | Guerin | if you insist on using outdated technology, at least understand how it works |
| 05:53.46 | D_F | Burning netinst now :) |
| 05:53.56 | Danar | gah. you shouldn't need to remount the damn thing every time |
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| 05:54.05 | Danar | Guerin: i don't insist, i have no choice |
| 05:54.07 | D_F | Unfortunately someone else is using my network cable, so I can't install it for another hour or so. :( |
| 05:54.07 | jm_ | you don't if you use autofs |
| 05:54.11 | tcsetattr | wonder why software-ejectable/lockable floppy drives never caught on among PeeCee makers |
| 05:54.14 | cafuego | Danar: You don't if you use mtools. |
| 05:54.16 | Danar | eeyore-: i did |
| 05:54.23 | Danar | cafuego: erm... ? |
| 05:54.34 | cafuego | Danar: mtools. your friend. |
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| 05:55.31 | Danar | i don't understand. why can't i unmount it? i'm not using the dir anymore |
| 05:55.38 | maher | Danar: use lsof |
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| 05:55.49 | cafuego | Danar: The mountpoint is in use (maybe by OOo?) |
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| 05:56.12 | anthonynunez | whats the command to get the nvidia display drivers for your kernel? |
| 05:56.16 | Danar | no, apparently it's konqueror, but i closed it |
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| 05:56.27 | Danar | and zsh |
| 05:56.35 | Wowzer | has anyone installed phpbb2 via aptitude in sarge? I have it installed, but can't figure out how to access the darn thing...it's in the /usr/share/phpbb2/ directory, but how do I configure/use the web interface? I had it running woody (but I did a manual install there)... |
| 05:56.40 | cafuego | Danar: cd / |
| 05:56.46 | Danar | i'm in ~ |
| 05:56.48 | streuner | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 05:56.52 | Danar | in both zsh * konq |
| 05:56.55 | Danar | & |
| 05:56.56 | Sunblade | anthonynunez: apt-get ? or go to www.nvidia.com and get the latest drivers |
| 05:57.13 | anthonynunez | !dpkg nvidia-oneliner |
| 05:57.18 | jm_ | Wowzer: tried /usr/share/doc/phpbb2? and often such things add an alias into /etc/apache*/something that redirects /foo/ to the right place |
| 05:57.23 | anthonynunez | hmm |
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| 05:57.27 | anthonynunez | dpkg no work |
| 05:57.39 | Danar | got it |
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| 05:57.43 | streuner | !nvidia one liner |
| 05:57.44 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 05:58.10 | streuner | anthonynunez: wrong factoid produces nothing then... |
| 05:58.12 | syb-work | Since when does "AYBABTU.COM" resolve to http://debian.org/ ? ;-) |
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| 05:58.33 | Wowzer | tried http://myurl/php2bb but got nada... |
| 05:58.36 | jbmigel | hehe where was that nvidia one liner when struggling with fedora 1? |
| 05:59.08 | alakdan | hello how do I change the date/ time in debian? |
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| 05:59.33 | spdf | Wowzer, Did you add an alias to /usr/share/phpbb2 in your /etc/apache/httpd.conf? |
| 05:59.35 | jbmigel | alakdan man date |
| 05:59.48 | tcsetattr | with the "date" command. Or ntpdate, or by running ntpd |
| 05:59.56 | spdf | Wowzer, php2bb rather.. |
| 06:00.00 | Wowzer | spdf- no, but I will |
| 06:00.02 | Danar | hrm, it's telling me only root can mount floppy, but then i get access denied when i try to save |
| 06:00.06 | jm_ | alakdan: /msg dpkg set time |
| 06:00.42 | syb-work | And why?.... |
| 06:00.46 | Danar | ? |
| 06:00.51 | alakdan | thanks a lot :) |
| 06:01.08 | Danar | what do i do now? |
| 06:01.20 | spdf | Danar, Is your user in the floppy group? |
| 06:02.04 | Danar | what's the command to check that? |
| 06:02.13 | spdf | Danar, groups <user> |
| 06:02.25 | Danar | yes |
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| 06:03.48 | Danar | hrm. i can mount it from the floppy icon on the desktop, but not from the commandline... |
| 06:04.06 | cafuego | Danar: famd is satan |
| 06:04.10 | caojun | IDC, hello . |
| 06:04.31 | Danar | don't have famd... not running anyway |
| 06:04.50 | Coke | Danar: sudo mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/where-you-want-it |
| 06:05.02 | crudpuppy | alsa question -> why does my PCM not have a volume control? |
| 06:05.05 | deadcat | sudo to mount a floppy?thats bad |
| 06:05.07 | Danar | Coke: yeah, but then it gave me access denied when i tried to save to it |
| 06:05.16 | IDC | caojun, Hi,sorry i am busy |
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| 06:05.23 | Coke | Danar: what kind of fs is on the floppy? |
| 06:05.25 | Coke | deadcat: why? |
| 06:05.30 | Danar | vfat |
| 06:05.31 | tcsetattr | Danar, you need to learn about hown or the umask mount option, depending on which filesystem you have on your obsolete medium |
| 06:05.38 | tcsetattr | s/hown/chown/ |
| 06:05.46 | deadcat | Coke: its a freakin floppy |
| 06:05.52 | Coke | Danar: yep, you might have to set the umask manually |
| 06:06.05 | Coke | deadcat: yeah, I thought the sudo was the problem. |
| 06:06.09 | Danar | it gives me ownership... |
| 06:06.15 | tcsetattr | minix is the correct filesystem for floppies... |
| 06:06.22 | Danar | meh |
| 06:06.28 | crudpuppy | Danar: you can setup in fstab so that normal users can mount floppies |
| 06:06.32 | Danar | tcsetattr: a windows box won't be able to read that |
| 06:06.32 | cafuego | floppies should die, so they don't need filesystems at all |
| 06:06.48 | tcsetattr | windoze is not the correct answer to anything |
| 06:06.52 | Danar | crudpuppy: i can... just not from the commandline for some reason |
| 06:07.05 | jbmigel | does there exists a *GOOD* gui for nethack anywhere? Im tired of |
| 06:07.09 | Danar | cafuego: yeah, they prolly should, but that's irrelevant |
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| 06:07.21 | jbmigel | ...asciicking |
| 06:07.29 | furrywolf | tcsetattr: I don't know about that. windoze was the correct answer to disabling the korg cube in that star wreck movie... |
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| 06:07.51 | Coke | Danar: by default, you should be able to mount it as a regular user, have you tried that? |
| 06:08.06 | crudpuppy | any ideas on the PCM thing? |
| 06:08.09 | Danar | *d |
| 06:08.17 | MobyTurbo | jbmigel: tile graphics for originally text-based roguelikes are evil. |
| 06:08.32 | glick | hey is there a lightweight version of kontact out there? |
| 06:08.34 | TwistedEmotions | Dont worry I killed it. |
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| 06:08.37 | Danar | yeah, i should. and i can, if i use the floppy icon on the desktop, but not when i do it on the commandline |
| 06:08.46 | MobyTurbo | jbmigel: the only good one I've seen is AngbandTk |
| 06:08.53 | jbmigel | MobyTurbo have you used glhack it looks maybe ok isometric 3D |
| 06:08.56 | crudpuppy | Danar: how are you trying to mount it on command line? |
| 06:09.03 | rob_lt | john@diablo:~$ uname -r |
| 06:09.03 | rob_lt | 2.6.12-1-686 |
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| 06:09.04 | Danar | Coke: mount /dev/fd0 /floppy |
| 06:09.09 | MobyTurbo | jbmigel: 've never used glhack |
| 06:09.09 | rob_lt | from ubuntu. So far, so good |
| 06:09.10 | Danar | works with sudo though |
| 06:09.11 | Coke | Danar: if you want you can set the gid and umask of the mounted device so that root can mount it and all users can access it. |
| 06:09.14 | MobyTurbo | I've even |
| 06:09.19 | tcsetattr | when you specify both the device and the mountpoint on the command line, fstab is not consulted. |
| 06:09.27 | Coke | Danar: yeah, that's the "user" option in /etc/fstab |
| 06:09.28 | crudpuppy | exactly |
| 06:09.29 | Danar | Coke: er, i think i'd rather just be able to mount as user |
| 06:09.33 | tcsetattr | if you want it to look things up in fstab, just give ONE argument. |
| 06:09.35 | Danar | k |
| 06:09.39 | Danar | well, thx people |
| 06:09.40 | Danar | nite |
| 06:09.58 | spdf | Well.. that was dumb.. |
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| 06:10.45 | spdf | Nasty Hobitsezz... |
| 06:10.57 | anthonynunez | 128MB in bytes? for XF86Config-4 videoram |
| 06:10.57 | crudpuppy | my music is toooooo loud |
| 06:11.15 | jm_ | anthonynunez: leave it empty |
| 06:11.26 | jm_ | driver should detect that |
| 06:11.34 | anthonynunez | jm_: just delete videoram |
| 06:11.35 | toresbe | anthonynunez: you most usually don't need it |
| 06:11.46 | rob_bed | 'night everyone |
| 06:11.53 | Coke | good morning |
| 06:12.12 | toresbe | anthonynunez: so just delete the line and it figures out for itself |
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| 06:13.27 | crudpuppy | hmmmm, guess theres not alsa guys on |
| 06:13.32 | sobersabre | hello everyone. |
| 06:13.40 | sobersabre | crudpuppy, what is the question... |
| 06:13.46 | crudpuppy | alsa question -> why does my PCM not have a volume control? |
| 06:13.54 | spdf | crudpuppy, alsamixer |
| 06:13.56 | sobersabre | what module is it ? |
| 06:13.57 | Guerin | crudpuppy: in what program? |
| 06:14.01 | crudpuppy | even in alsamixer |
| 06:14.02 | sobersabre | :))) |
| 06:14.08 | sobersabre | what MODULE?! |
| 06:14.30 | crudpuppy | i810? |
| 06:14.31 | sobersabre | or... what soundcard ? |
| 06:14.35 | Guerin | !guess |
| 06:14.35 | dpkg | it has been said that guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 06:14.44 | sobersabre | i don't know such module |
| 06:14.47 | jetscreamer | !fuck alsa |
| 06:14.50 | sobersabre | which module do you use |
| 06:14.56 | jetscreamer | damn bot |
| 06:14.59 | jetscreamer | !lart bot |
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| 06:15.09 | kokoko1 | hi I want to stop those annoying sounds coming from speakers when typing in CLI , e,g when backspacing etc |
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| 06:15.21 | Guerin | !beep |
| 06:15.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 06:15.22 | jetscreamer | what sounds |
| 06:15.26 | jetscreamer | where did yo uget sounds |
| 06:15.34 | Guerin | grrr |
| 06:15.42 | Guerin | !nobeep |
| 06:15.46 | crudpuppy | sobersabre: its on the board...it detects in lsmod i810_audio ac97_codec snd_intel8x0 |
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| 06:16.04 | Guerin | dpkg knows something about turning the beep off, but I can't remember how to make him spit it out |
| 06:16.06 | sobersabre | crudpuppy, you need to 1. lspci |
| 06:16.10 | sobersabre | 2. remove all sound modules |
| 06:16.17 | jetscreamer | crudpuppy: you need snd- in front of all those modules |
| 06:16.23 | jetscreamer | or not in front of any |
| 06:16.27 | jetscreamer | that's oss vs alsa |
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| 06:16.38 | jetscreamer | looks like 2 oss 1 alsa |
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| 06:16.55 | jm_ | Guerin: /msg dpkg listkeys beep ; /msg dpkg shell beep |
| 06:17.01 | kokoko1 | Guerin, the beeps :) |
| 06:17.16 | jetscreamer | beep beep |
| 06:17.38 | sobersabre | jetscreamer, remove all sound modules. |
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| 06:17.45 | jm_ | also /msg dpkg bell |
| 06:17.46 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 06:17.53 | sobersabre | you have now both alsa and oss, probably oss taking over... |
| 06:17.54 | jetscreamer | i like mine, they function |
| 06:17.57 | Guerin | i turned beep off so long ago I can't even remember how. |
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| 06:18.03 | jetscreamer | no i don't |
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| 06:18.13 | sobersabre | jetscreamer, i mean not "delete" them, rmmod |
| 06:18.15 | furrywolf | I turned beep off by unplugging the pc speaker. |
| 06:18.23 | furrywolf | haven't heard a beep since. |
| 06:18.25 | jetscreamer | why |
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| 06:18.39 | glick | how do you config irssi as to which ports to use for dcc? |
| 06:18.40 | spdf | sobersabre, There's nothing wrong with his modules.. |
| 06:18.41 | Guerin | furrywolf: i do like to hear the POST noises |
| 06:18.46 | crudpuppy | wont the auto config put them back upon reboot? |
| 06:18.53 | furrywolf | guerin: if mine stops posting, I can plug it back in. :P |
| 06:19.00 | tcsetattr | damn... the terminal bell is a vital piece of feedback equipment. I'd more easily be able to work on a terminal that couldn't display any vowels than one that couldn't sound the bell |
| 06:19.02 | jetscreamer | thanks sobersabre |
| 06:19.09 | jetscreamer | sobersabre: now reboot? |
| 06:19.11 | crudpuppy | spdf then what? |
| 06:19.19 | spdf | Then what what? |
| 06:19.27 | crudpuppy | if its not my modules |
| 06:19.29 | sobersabre | spdf, i810_audio is OSS, snd_intel8x0 is ALSA... both in kernel... |
| 06:19.39 | sobersabre | jetscreamer, NO! |
| 06:19.48 | sobersabre | why would you need to reboot ?!?!?! |
| 06:19.52 | jetscreamer | crudpuppy: like i said, you seem to have 2 oss modules and 1 alsa module loaded |
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| 06:20.04 | jetscreamer | you need to decide on either/or |
| 06:20.16 | sobersabre | :) |
| 06:20.26 | jetscreamer | i rm -f /lib/modules like you said, sobersaber |
| 06:20.29 | crudpuppy | hmmmm....seems they are actually modules not in kernel |
| 06:20.48 | sobersabre | miscommunication over IRC... at least IRC is a limited means ... |
| 06:20.51 | sobersabre | :) |
| 06:20.54 | MobyTurbo | !permasunday |
| 06:20.54 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 06:20.56 | jetscreamer | oh |
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| 06:21.01 | jetscreamer | ok how do i undelete |
| 06:21.21 | Guerin | jetscreamer: unmount the filesystem and run debugfs |
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| 06:21.35 | jetscreamer | ah ok |
| 06:21.38 | Guerin | jetscreamer: or i think mc has a mostly-useless undelete function |
| 06:21.39 | jm_ | and good luck |
| 06:21.51 | jm_ | it will be much easier to reinstall |
| 06:21.53 | jetscreamer | umount / |
| 06:22.05 | sobersabre | :)) |
| 06:22.09 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:22.16 | Guerin | silly me, i thought you were serious |
| 06:22.24 | jetscreamer | then i run /lib/modules/debugfs right |
| 06:22.26 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:22.34 | sobersabre | hehe |
| 06:22.52 | jetscreamer | hell no |
| 06:22.56 | jetscreamer | i just look like an idiot |
| 06:23.01 | sobersabre | crudpuppy, anyway, did you manage to get alsa mixer ? |
| 06:23.10 | glick | is there a commandline version of a korganizer program |
| 06:23.18 | tcsetattr | lde is a good companion tool, it's like a more interactive debugfs |
| 06:23.26 | jetscreamer | did you rmmod the oss or alsa, crudpuppy? |
| 06:23.40 | anthonynunez | how do I lower mouse senstativity? |
| 06:23.43 | sobersabre | did you rmmod any modules, crudpuppy ? |
| 06:23.45 | jetscreamer | crudpuppy: apt-get install modconf && modconf |
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| 06:23.53 | sobersabre | anthonynunez, beat it to death... |
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| 06:24.16 | erps | ... What is the apt command for finding out what command line a program was compiled with? |
| 06:24.30 | sobersabre | anthonynunez, you can also tell it jokes until it faints... and then it just won't feel anything. |
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| 06:24.44 | jetscreamer | less ~/.bash_history or you're out of luck? |
| 06:25.20 | sobersabre | anthonynunez, are you talking about mouse accelleration ? |
| 06:25.24 | MobyTurbo | erps: get the source package and look at the configuration files. |
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| 06:25.36 | erps | thanks |
| 06:25.40 | jetscreamer | or that sounds better |
| 06:25.47 | jetscreamer | good idea |
| 06:25.52 | erps | thought there was an apt-info stuyle command for it.. but can't remember what it is. |
| 06:25.55 | tcsetattr | apt-get source pkgname |
| 06:26.09 | trend | hello |
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| 06:27.13 | trend | for the last 10~ hours (after a reboot), my system thinks it still is in the reboot process.. everytime i login it says: System bootup in progress - please wait |
| 06:27.23 | trend | but it lets me log in though |
| 06:28.02 | sobersabre | trend, this doesn't seem very nice... do you want to investigate or you just need to reboot ? |
| 06:28.04 | trend | how can i tell what is hanging it up? |
| 06:28.17 | trend | i would like to know what is happening.. |
| 06:28.24 | sobersabre | man ps |
| 06:28.25 | sobersabre | ? |
| 06:28.26 | tcsetattr | trend, rm /etc/nologin |
| 06:28.35 | jm_ | trend: something failed to delete /etc/nologin |
| 06:28.42 | anthonynunez | sobersabre: yeah my bad |
| 06:29.00 | furrywolf | trend: is the box generally unstable? sig11's when compiling a kernel, etc? |
| 06:29.00 | sobersabre | your bad ? |
| 06:29.03 | trend | so just delete nologin.. and that will fix everiything? |
| 06:29.12 | trend | it has been very stable |
| 06:29.23 | trend | i haven't recompiled the kernel |
| 06:29.23 | furrywolf | if it's stable, something is broken. :) |
| 06:29.27 | anthonynunez | sobersabre: how do I change mouse sensativity? |
| 06:29.42 | sobersabre | in console or in X ? |
| 06:29.53 | trend | well.. someone restarting the server... |
| 06:29.55 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep |
| 06:29.56 | trend | and i need to know who |
| 06:30.03 | trend | i try last |
| 06:30.08 | anthonynunez | sobersabre: X |
| 06:30.15 | trend | reboot system boot 2.6.8-2-686 Mon May 23 11:59 (08:28) |
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| 06:30.25 | sobersabre | trend, does "who" show you who's on ? |
| 06:30.27 | trend | I get that under last.. does that mean anything ? |
| 06:30.36 | trend | just root |
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| 06:30.46 | Guerin | trend: who has root? |
| 06:30.47 | Somebody_ | Hello |
| 06:30.48 | JohnConstantine | try whois |
| 06:30.50 | trend | me |
| 06:30.51 | JohnConstantine | hello |
| 06:30.54 | JohnConstantine | yes |
| 06:30.56 | Guerin | Somebody_: omfg, you're here! |
| 06:31.03 | sobersabre | trend, are you sure only you ? |
| 06:31.26 | Somebody_ | Guerin, sorry I think you might have me confused with somebody else |
| 06:31.28 | trend | well.. i know one other person has root |
| 06:31.28 | Guerin | Somebody_: people keep asking about you, whether you've used some program or distro or have experience with something or other... we never know because you never come in here. |
| 06:31.33 | trend | he is the sys admin |
| 06:31.37 | sobersabre | anthonynunez, usually windows manager allows you this... which do you use ? |
| 06:31.40 | Guerin | nono, it's definitely somebody they want to know about |
| 06:31.44 | Somebody_ | :P |
| 06:31.47 | Guerin | not somebody_else |
| 06:31.48 | trend | but.. i don't see his login when i do a last |
| 06:32.22 | denial | I'm having problems with arts... all apps that use it for playback are skipping. I can only get decent sound using xmms wit the oss output plugin. Any ideas? |
| 06:32.26 | Somebody_ | I'm trying to add a process to start at bootup. I've Googled "Debian + Starting processes on boot" and a few others but don't get any good results. |
| 06:32.29 | Somebody_ | What file would I edit? |
| 06:32.39 | Somebody_ | To make processes start at bootup |
| 06:32.46 | trend | well.. i will just restart |
| 06:32.48 | Guerin | Somebody_: what do you want to start? |
| 06:32.56 | jm_ | something ;) |
| 06:32.56 | MobyTurbo | denial: sound daemons are evil, avoid them if you can. |
| 06:33.04 | Guerin | denial: set it to 'realtime' if you must |
| 06:33.07 | Somebody_ | Guerin, webserver (apache), and seti client |
| 06:33.11 | sobersabre | MobyTurbo, unless it is jackd... |
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| 06:33.31 | furrywolf | apache should start itself |
| 06:33.32 | denial | Guerin, if I must? is there a better option? |
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| 06:33.46 | furrywolf | bbl |
| 06:34.41 | Guerin | Somebody_: if you're using debian, it'll give you the option to start both those |
| 06:34.53 | anthonynunez | sobersabre: E |
| 06:35.00 | Guerin | Somebody_: if you install the debian packages, that is... and there's no reason you shouldn't. |
| 06:35.10 | Guerin | denial: better not to use arts at all. |
| 06:35.21 | Guerin | since it stands for Arts Ruins Teh Sound |
| 06:35.30 | Somebody_ | Yep I've installed the packages from the Debian repositories. |
| 06:35.30 | green_earz | hi all and a bit of advise please. when a apt-cache for apache. i see that there is apache2. as being a newbie on the subject of web servers. would it be a ok starting point to install apache2 as my web server ???. instead of the apache ? |
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| 06:35.49 | MobyTurbo | sobersabre: tell me more about jackd, how many programs support it? |
| 06:35.49 | Guerin | Somebody_: then use rcconf or sysvconfig to make sure they're set to go. |
| 06:36.04 | denial | Guerin, I tried using the gstreamer engine from amarok, but it is giving me an error about /dev/dsp not existing |
| 06:36.30 | Guerin | green_earz: you might as well, yeah. Most people still using apache1 are using it because they don't want to have to upgrade and set everything up again. |
| 06:36.36 | skaught | denial: Well, does it exist? |
| 06:36.40 | Guerin | denial: yeah, that's what arts does. |
| 06:36.43 | glick | hey does anyone know of any good cheap web hosts? |
| 06:36.51 | MobyTurbo | denial: gstreamer wants esd, which is even more evil |
| 06:37.06 | Guerin | glick: define cheap |
| 06:37.17 | glick | Guerin: not an arm and a le |
| 06:37.18 | glick | leg |
| 06:37.19 | denial | ok, so is there a non-evil alternative? |
| 06:37.22 | jm_ | at least esd has -as switch |
| 06:37.23 | Guerin | glick: all of them |
| 06:37.28 | green_earz | Guerin: thanks for that |
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| 06:38.49 | spdf | Oh man.. One of the search terms that hit my site was "dad sucked my dick" |
| 06:39.20 | Guerin | spdf: i got a whole lot of hits on "gay farm sex incest shemale" |
| 06:39.31 | Somebody_ | Oh no wonder. I thought it was apache that hadn't started, it was in fact ddclient :s |
| 06:39.32 | Guerin | still no idea how they got to my site from that |
| 06:39.34 | spdf | Haha, Man |
| 06:39.42 | denial | so I'm stuck with xmms if I want sound with no daemon? |
| 06:39.47 | nn | Guerin: i'm sorry about that |
| 06:40.02 | Guerin | denial: alsa? |
| 06:40.13 | trend | how do I kick someone off my debian server? |
| 06:40.28 | Guerin | trend: slay? |
| 06:40.31 | denial | Guerin, can I configure amarok to use alsa? |
| 06:40.31 | trend | their connection was lost.. |
| 06:40.39 | Guerin | denial: after you disable the sound daemon, what happens? |
| 06:40.53 | Guerin | nn: hope you found what you were looking for. |
| 06:40.56 | denial | Guerin kill it? |
| 06:41.01 | MobyTurbo | denial: helix and it's closed-source cousin realplayer don't need a sound daemon, though they can be misconfigured to use esd IIRC. |
| 06:41.03 | nn | Guerin: i was joking :) |
| 06:41.06 | Guerin | denial: you actually have to switch it off in config. |
| 06:41.10 | Guerin | nn: sure you were. |
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| 06:41.21 | MobyTurbo | denial: unless you need realplayer files though I'd recommend xmms |
| 06:41.40 | Zta | Anyone here who use a USB wlan dongle under Debian? I need one and want to know, which to buy. |
| 06:41.57 | MobyTurbo | denial: I think beep-media-player also supports non-daemon-sound. |
| 06:42.08 | Guerin | all players support non-daemon sound |
| 06:42.21 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: not gstreamer-based ones. |
| 06:42.26 | Guerin | if they don't, they're not media players, they're tools of evil desktop lock-in |
| 06:42.36 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: case in point. |
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| 06:42.43 | MobyTurbo | !Guerin++ |
| 06:43.08 | denial | Guerin, OK, i have turned it off in config and killed it |
| 06:43.09 | Guerin | denial: is this amorok thing gstreamer-based? |
| 06:43.25 | trend | my debian box doesn't have slay |
| 06:43.27 | icyfire0573 | amarok uses multiple different sound engines |
| 06:43.31 | Guerin | !installit |
| 06:43.32 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 06:43.32 | trend | any other suggestions on how to kill a user? |
| 06:43.36 | denial | Guerin no it is artsd based, but it gives the option to use gstreamer |
| 06:43.41 | trend | hm.... well make a user logoug |
| 06:43.50 | Guerin | denial: ok. without arts running, you should have clear access to /dev/dsp |
| 06:43.52 | skaught | trend: You can kill their login process |
| 06:43.54 | Guerin | or the alsa devices |
| 06:44.30 | trend | skaught.. how can i do that (and how can i find their login proc?) |
| 06:44.48 | denial | Guerin, /dev/dsp no such file |
| 06:44.50 | MobyTurbo | trend: you can kill them with an awk pipeline |
| 06:44.54 | tcsetattr | su user -c 'kill -9 -1' |
| 06:45.29 | Guerin | denial: modprobe snd-pcm-oss, as root |
| 06:45.30 | trend | user being the useraccount that needs to get kicked? |
| 06:45.40 | denial | Guerin, and now amarok is playing, but directing output to null instead of artsd |
| 06:46.00 | Guerin | denial: can you run alsamixer? |
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| 06:46.36 | denial | Guerin ok, after the modprobe I have an accessible /dev/dsp |
| 06:46.52 | denial | Guerin, yep, alsmixer runs |
| 06:47.21 | Guerin | denial: awesome. now echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules |
| 06:47.26 | trend | tcsetattr user being the useraccont that needs to be kicked? |
| 06:47.41 | skaught | trend: Yes. |
| 06:48.23 | trend | great |
| 06:48.24 | trend | thank! |
| 06:49.05 | denial | Guerin, getting /dev/dsp is in use from gstreamer... |
| 06:49.19 | Guerin | denial: that might be gstreamer being stupid and evil. |
| 06:49.31 | icyfire0573 | or you could check /dev/dsp with losf |
| 06:49.33 | icyfire0573 | lsof* |
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| 06:49.46 | Guerin | denial: are you still using it with another process? |
| 06:50.16 | denial | Guerin, not as far as I can see... haven't started any processes since I did the modprobe |
| 06:50.37 | jm_ | they should just charge $20 more for newbies and include emu10k1 in computers, it would help everyone |
| 06:50.38 | Guerin | denial: you're no loonger playing through it, i mean. |
| 06:50.50 | Guerin | ok |
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| 06:51.07 | denial | Guerin, yeah, I haven't played anything through it yet, and have only one audio program (amarok) open |
| 06:51.15 | Guerin | not only can the gstreamer folk not design a fucking working media backend, but they can't configure a fucking apache server either |
| 06:51.16 | Somebody_ | Okay, I've done some reading about /etc/rcS.d and how it works. If I want to run a certain command, as opposed to making a link to /etc/init.d how would I do this? |
| 06:51.23 | Guerin | (presuming gstreamer.org is theirs) |
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| 06:51.36 | Guerin | denial: ok. |
| 06:51.40 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 06:51.40 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 06:52.16 | denial | not found |
| 06:52.47 | Guerin | denial: but it worked before. |
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| 06:53.33 | denial | Guerin, xmms was working before... now it is complaining of misconfiguration |
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| 06:55.58 | jm_ | why don't you just run lsof - it would save lots of typing |
| 06:55.59 | Guerin | denial: lsof |
| 06:55.59 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:55.59 | anthonynunez | !dpkg sound |
| 06:55.59 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
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| 06:55.59 | denial | lsof is new to me... lots of arts though... I thought I'd killed that... sec |
| 06:55.59 | streuner | anthonynunez: /msg dpkg sound |
| 06:55.59 | streuner | anthonynunez: works too |
| 06:55.59 | jm_ | do not kill it, disable it in preferences/whatever |
| 06:55.59 | Guerin | ok, so since the gstreamer.fd.o faq is worthless, can anyone explain to me why it needs a sound server? |
| 06:55.59 | Guerin | i told you to disable that motherfucker |
| 06:56.14 | denial | I now have a bunch of entries for kio_file |
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| 06:56.31 | denial | Guerin, I did, in the gnome setup... don't know why it came back |
| 06:56.47 | Guerin | denial: arts is a kde app. you need to turn it off in kcontrol. |
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| 06:57.07 | denial | Guerin, woops... my bad, sec |
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| 06:57.09 | streuner | !arts |
| 06:57.09 | dpkg | i guess arts is the multimedia framework of KDE, or teh sux, or see "esound". Arts Ruins Teh Sound |
| 06:57.24 | Hotepric | XFCE all the way ;-) |
| 06:57.27 | stouset | !esound |
| 06:57.27 | dpkg | i guess esound is the Enlightened Sound Daemon and can be found at http://www.tux.org/~ricdude/EsounD.html or a userspace sound multiplexing daemon used by gnome, and known to fail badly. See "arts". |
| 06:57.50 | denial | Guerin, you mean uncheck "enable sound system"? |
| 06:57.56 | Guerin | !esd |
| 06:57.56 | dpkg | it has been said that esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
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| 06:58.04 | glick | i wonder if i should just host my own webserver |
| 06:58.15 | glick | hey if you have two addresses can you host them on the same machine? |
| 06:58.19 | Guerin | dpkg, no, esound is <reply> see esd |
| 06:58.19 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 06:58.24 | Guerin | denial: 1 |
| 06:58.48 | jm_ | glick: of course |
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| 06:58.58 | glick | like can i have www.dbsmut.net go to one website on my machine and www.tightpussies.com go to a different website on teh same machine? |
| 06:59.22 | stouset | glick: Yes. Google apache vhosting. |
| 06:59.30 | denial | OK, killed that |
| 06:59.32 | Guerin | glick: no, there's a clause in the debian free software policy which prohibits multiple porn sites on one machine |
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| 06:59.48 | glick | dbsmut.net is not a porn site |
| 06:59.54 | Guerin | stouset: get ur facx rite n00b |
| 06:59.58 | glick | hehe its my rant site |
| 07:00.03 | Guerin | glick: sure buddy, whatever you say |
| 07:00.04 | Starfire | hey again guys. anyone remember me? lol |
| 07:00.12 | MobyTurbo | !ur |
| 07:00.12 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 07:00.13 | glick | i swear its not a porn site |
| 07:00.16 | stouset | Guerin: Ah, right. |
| 07:00.24 | denial | Guerin, now it's not playing, but no error message |
| 07:00.24 | Guerin | glick: you can swear as much as you like, mate. |
| 07:00.28 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: ;-) |
| 07:00.45 | glick | tightpussies.com is about cats! |
| 07:00.48 | Guerin | denial: check alsamixer for mutedness etc. |
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| 07:01.25 | denial | Guerin, alsmixer looks fine |
| 07:01.29 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 07:01.44 | Starfire | i cant get my cd drive to mount. i even tried rebooting with hardware in at startup. this happened before and i had to edit some kinda text file and change something like cdrom1 o_O |
| 07:01.51 | Guerin | denial: do the soundcheck again |
| 07:01.59 | Guerin | you should get a lovely blast of white noise |
| 07:02.05 | denial | Guerin, on the plus side, xmms works again now |
| 07:02.20 | Guerin | denial: ok. so xmms plays, but gstreamer doesn't? |
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| 07:02.24 | abrocadabro | Starfire: how did you mount it? |
| 07:02.26 | denial | soundcheck command not found |
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| 07:02.41 | Guerin | !sooundcheck |
| 07:02.43 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 07:02.43 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 07:02.44 | Starfire | abrocadabro i just right click on cdrom1 under computer o_O |
| 07:03.02 | denial | Guerin, right xmms is behing nicely, but amarok through gstreamer is not |
| 07:03.13 | Guerin | denial: can you tell it to not use gstreamer? |
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| 07:03.25 | abrocadabro | Starfire: login as root in case you don't have an entry in fstab, mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom |
| 07:03.37 | denial | Guerin, the only other option is use artsd... |
| 07:04.01 | skaught | denial: Also, make sure not to run an app playing directly to OSS or Alsa and a sound server at the same time, etc. |
| 07:04.07 | Starfire | says it doesnt exist abrocadabro :( |
| 07:04.13 | Guerin | denial: don't fucking use it then; it's horribly broken. or look and see if there's an alsa or oss plugin you can use. |
| 07:04.24 | abrocadabro | Starfire: what doesn't exist? |
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| 07:04.47 | abrocadabro | Starfire: mkdir /mnt/cdrom fist |
| 07:04.47 | krenin | hi |
| 07:04.54 | denial | Guerin, the problem is it has vastly nicer library functionality than any other linux app I've seen... |
| 07:05.06 | Guerin | so, since the gstreamer.fd.o faq is worthless, can someone explain why gstreamer needs a fucking sound daemon to work? |
| 07:05.34 | Guerin | denial: i don't call the inability to play nice with standard subsystems 'functionality' |
| 07:05.35 | skaught | Guerin: As far as I know, gstreamer is an application framework that uses multiple sources and sinks (sinks being servers and output devices) |
| 07:05.39 | Starfire | mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 07:05.43 | skaught | Guerin: So it can use ALSA/OSS directly or a sound server |
| 07:05.55 | Guerin | skaught: it CAN use alsa or oss directly? |
| 07:06.05 | spdf | It uses oss by default |
| 07:06.08 | abrocadabro | Starfire \: there you go, go to /mnt/cdrom |
| 07:06.16 | Guerin | spdf: not on denial's box it doesn't. |
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| 07:06.37 | spdf | It may not work by default.. |
| 07:06.38 | stouset | Guerin: Does he have the correct gstreamer plugins installed? |
| 07:06.44 | Starfire | abrocadabro oookaaay.... o_O |
| 07:06.44 | Guerin | the hell I know |
| 07:06.45 | icyfire0573 | if the person using gstreamer didn't run gst-register it would probably cause a bunch of problems (like not knowing it can play certain formats) plus in amarok you can (or cant) choose what outputs to use for gstreamer, (like oss_sink and alsa_sink) |
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| 07:06.55 | abrocadabro | Starfire: check if you have cdrom entry in your /etc/fstab and could you tell me what it says? |
| 07:06.56 | Guerin | all I know about gstreammer I learnt in here |
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| 07:07.04 | denial | Guerin, I can actually configure which driver gstreamer uses from within amarok... it doesn't seem to matter though |
| 07:07.16 | stouset | Everything to do with gstreamer should be configured simply by installing the packages. |
| 07:07.19 | abrocadabro | Starfire: this way only root can access it |
| 07:07.21 | spdf | I've always used gstreadmer with esd |
| 07:07.31 | spdf | -m |
| 07:07.48 | spdf | -d rather.. lord... |
| 07:07.53 | tuggy | I have a hardware question, how many hits per day will a PIII833Mhz/384MB server will be able to take without bailing |
| 07:07.54 | glick | whats a good way to give myself access to all my files and my desktop from anywhere on the internet without making my shit wide open to the world? |
| 07:08.04 | Starfire | no i dont abrocadabro. should i add it somehow x.x |
| 07:08.15 | Guerin | icyfire0573: are you one of the devs? |
| 07:08.18 | glick | tuggy: probably more than you will get |
| 07:08.22 | icyfire0573 | Guerin, sorry no, |
| 07:08.37 | denial | gstreamer let's me use various ouptu plugins, osssink, esdsink, etc, none seem to work |
| 07:08.44 | Starfire | abrocadabro, nevermind i have this line: |
| 07:08.51 | MobyTurbo | glick: sshd |
| 07:08.55 | s-toned | How do I activate alt-numpad for entering ascii codes? |
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| 07:08.58 | Guerin | tuggy: depends. |
| 07:09.01 | Starfire | abrocadabro: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 07:09.07 | abrocadabro | Starfire: /dev/hdc/ /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 07:09.08 | factotum | tuggy: i have a 600 mHz with 256, no problems |
| 07:09.13 | glick | MobyTurbo: so have sshd runnin on my desktop and then forward a port through it through my firewall? |
| 07:09.14 | icyfire0573 | denial, is it telling you that the sound is blocked, or is it just not playing the files, not playing the files may be because it cant decode the files, how did you install gstreamer and is it .6 or .8? |
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| 07:09.24 | tuggy | glick, should I keep running X while the server is idle, any performance problems? |
| 07:09.27 | glick | can i forward ports from the outside into the safe zone? |
| 07:09.28 | abrocadabro | Starfire: okay, you should be able to mount it as normal user then |
| 07:09.37 | MobyTurbo | glick: just open ssh's port |
| 07:09.40 | glick | tuggy: x shouldnt be on a server |
| 07:09.41 | Guerin | tuggy: why run x on a webserver? |
| 07:09.45 | Starfire | abrocadabro, but it didnt let me when i started up. i had to do all that to get it to work |
| 07:10.00 | sobersabre | guys, what are linux means to shape traffic ( e.g. one of the IP addresses to get bandwidth 2MB/s and the rest 0.5 MB/s ) |
| 07:10.00 | D_F | What is a good partition setup for a box that is primarily a webserver? |
| 07:10.00 | tuggy | Guerin, some times people need to do other stuff on it |
| 07:10.11 | cafuego | sobersabre: shaperd, tc |
| 07:10.18 | denial | icyfire0573, I installed it with apt, it gives various errors through to none depending on plugin, sec I'll check what version |
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| 07:10.21 | sobersabre | cafuego, thanks |
| 07:10.23 | Guerin | tuggy: people should never need to do anything requiring X on a webserver, under any circumstances, ever. |
| 07:10.26 | toresbe | D_F: I'm a big fan of single-partition root nowadays |
| 07:10.28 | abrocadabro | Starfire: you have to do all what to get it to work? |
| 07:10.31 | skaught | D_F: Probably /, /usr, /var at least |
| 07:10.39 | Starfire | abrocadabro, affirmative |
| 07:10.42 | denial | icyfire0573, Its 0.8 |
| 07:10.42 | cafuego | Guerin: not even xlibs? |
| 07:10.45 | icyfire0573 | denial, did you run gst-register0.8 |
| 07:10.47 | D_F | skaught: Is it sensible to make a seperate partition for /boot and /home? |
| 07:10.57 | Guerin | cafuego: i should say an x server. |
| 07:11.04 | tuggy | Guerin, so command line only? |
| 07:11.08 | Guerin | tuggy: yes. |
| 07:11.16 | skaught | D_F: That would be less important on a webserver. Assuming you're storing most files in /usr and your log files are in /var :) |
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| 07:11.28 | Guerin | tuggy: if you have some apps (like, say, ethereal) which require X, run them remotely over ssh. |
| 07:11.32 | abrocadabro | Starfire: your conf is the same as mine, and I didn't seem to have to go through all your trouble |
| 07:11.41 | mtnman | how can i prevent grub from changing the console font at boot-time? |
| 07:11.46 | denial | icyfire0573, now I'm getting device in use errors... but I don't have a daemon running unless kio is causing it |
| 07:11.49 | D_F | skaught: But my client's sites go in their /home/x/public_html folders |
| 07:11.55 | cafuego | mtnman: it doesn't, it can't. |
| 07:12.00 | tuggy | Guerin, its for a student club and sometimes people need OO.org and other stuff for printing etc |
| 07:12.01 | jm_ | mtnman: GRUB doesn't do that |
| 07:12.01 | skaught | D_F: Then /home is a very good idea |
| 07:12.02 | D_F | skaught: Should I even worry about /boot? |
| 07:12.07 | icyfire0573 | denial, what does lsof /dev/dsp show? |
| 07:12.16 | Guerin | tuggy: so it's a multi-purpose machine. |
| 07:12.20 | Starfire | abrocadabro, im writing down the commands incase i have to do it again x.x |
| 07:12.21 | tuggy | Guerin, right now running a full fledged WindowsXp install |
| 07:12.22 | skaught | D_F: Some paranoids only mount /boot when necessary. You can choose to buy into that or not |
| 07:12.26 | denial | icyfire0573, it returns nothing |
| 07:12.27 | mtnman | hmm... somewhere in the boot sequence the console font is changed... |
| 07:12.29 | tuggy | Guerin, Yes |
| 07:12.38 | Guerin | tuggy: how's it going to serve web from windowsxp? |
| 07:12.41 | spdf | mtnman, it has nothing to do with grub though |
| 07:12.48 | tuggy | Guerin, Apache |
| 07:12.52 | jm_ | yes, you can tell console-tools which font to load |
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| 07:12.55 | icyfire0573 | well that means the device isn't in use denial, so... i dont have a clue |
| 07:12.57 | Guerin | tuggy: you poor bastard. |
| 07:13.05 | denial | icyfire0573, but gstreamer is convinced it's in use |
| 07:13.11 | D_F | skaught: OK. Let's say I'm going to have /, /usr, /home/ and /var. What size should each be? I have an 80GB drive. |
| 07:13.13 | tuggy | Guerin, What should I do :S |
| 07:13.13 | mtnman | spdf: okay, so where is the font changed? |
| 07:13.20 | Starfire | abrocadabro thanks |
| 07:13.26 | factotum | ugh i knew someone who experimented with a xp server, lasted about 2 hours and then splat |
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| 07:13.27 | abrocadabro | Starfire: welcome |
| 07:13.38 | icyfire0573 | denial, try quitting amarok, then running killall amarokapp then restarting amarok, and then see if its still complaining? |
| 07:13.46 | glick | im thinkin of setting up a file server where a few of my friends can upload and download files |
| 07:13.49 | denial | icyfire0573, k, sec |
| 07:13.50 | D_F | skaught: And which FS would be better for a webserver, reiserfs or ext3? |
| 07:14.07 | glick | is there anything that I could use so that it organizes the files |
| 07:14.12 | Guerin | tuggy: install debian, for a start. |
| 07:14.18 | glick | and makes it easy for them to upload, download files |
| 07:14.24 | factotum | glick, get a second hand box, sign up for no-ip or something to start with, go from there |
| 07:14.25 | Guerin | tuggy: dfzi ext3 |
| 07:14.25 | glick | maybe search for files by name |
| 07:14.27 | Guerin | graa |
| 07:14.31 | skaught | D_F: That does depend on what your usage is going to be. / won't take up much space, /usr should only be a couple gigs at max, /var is several hundred mbs, and then rest can go to home if you like. Use ext3 |
| 07:14.33 | Guerin | D_F: ext3 |
| 07:14.41 | jm_ | glick: there are web based "file managers", maybe try that |
| 07:14.47 | D_F | Guerin, skaught: OK. |
| 07:14.49 | glick | factotum: i have some dedicated servers at my house |
| 07:14.53 | denial | icyfire0573, do I want to kill entries like: [kdeinit] kio_file file /tmp/ksocket-mrichards/klauncherpooKWb.slave-socket /tmp/ksocket-mrichards/amarokkJ31Nb.slave-socket |
| 07:15.02 | sobersabre | D_F, why suse are so fond about reiser ? |
| 07:15.06 | factotum | alrighty then |
| 07:15.13 | D_F | sobersabre: Sorry? :/ |
| 07:15.13 | Guerin | because they're stupid |
| 07:15.14 | sobersabre | i mean not D_F only |
| 07:15.22 | icyfire0573 | denial, just killall amarokapp <- thats the command, and then restart it, no need to kill all of the kio_file entries |
| 07:15.22 | D_F | SuSE sucks... |
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| 07:15.30 | denial | icyfire0573, k |
| 07:15.30 | Guerin | and hans reiser is german? |
| 07:15.35 | skaught | sobersabre: Because they sponsor the development? |
| 07:15.45 | D_F | skaught: I am using Debian Sarge, so I'd say 5GB to /usr, 2GB to /, and how large should /var be? |
| 07:16.03 | sobersabre | skaught, why would they sponsor something _stupid_ ... they're not really stupid... |
| 07:16.04 | sobersabre | :) |
| 07:16.08 | valdyn | Guerin: his parents might be, he isnt |
| 07:16.08 | D_F | skaught: Or is my partition scheme stupid? |
| 07:16.14 | glick | jm_: recommend any? |
| 07:16.16 | Guerin | D_F: i'd go 5, 5, 5 and 65 |
| 07:16.16 | denial | icyfire0573, now each song flashes, and then after a few seconds amarok skips to the next song with no playback |
| 07:16.26 | Guerin | valdyn: oh yeah, my sarc tags got lost |
| 07:16.36 | Guerin | i think skaught has the real answer |
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| 07:16.42 | D_F | Guerin: Which size is for which? |
| 07:16.47 | icyfire0573 | denial, you ran gst-register-0.8 right? |
| 07:16.49 | Guerin | D_F: the big one is for home |
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| 07:16.53 | skaught | 2gb to root is very hefty. So is 5gb for /usr -- but if you want to be on the safe size... :) /var should probably be at least 500mb |
| 07:16.55 | D_F | Guerin: Of course :) |
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| 07:17.11 | denial | icyfire0573, right, it spammed a nuch of messages... did I need to run it with sudo though> |
| 07:17.14 | D_F | Guerin: 5GB /, 5GB /usr, 5GB /var - is that what you said? |
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| 07:17.23 | Guerin | but when you're talking about an 80g drive, there's no point in pinching for space |
| 07:17.26 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:17.31 | sobersabre | guys... serious q. hmm... I have a RAID controller and the storage should serve NFS |
| 07:17.32 | D_F | Guerin: OK - done and done. |
| 07:17.50 | Guerin | just to keep it simple ; that way you can easily re-purpose a partition if you need to |
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| 07:17.51 | sobersabre | I have no backup ( hmm i have, partial backup ) |
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| 07:18.03 | sobersabre | which RAID+FS shall I use ? |
| 07:18.12 | sobersabre | which tunings ? |
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| 07:18.23 | sobersabre | it is giga net. |
| 07:18.24 | icyfire0573 | denial, you just run it as a regular user, mine returns a crapload of results, then ends with a line that says loaded 148 plugins with 276 features, a bunch of these are unnecessary, but if you dont have the gst flac, mp3 and whatever sound file parts installed , it won't be able to play your songs |
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| 07:18.38 | jm_ | glick: I don't use them |
| 07:18.42 | skaught | GStreamer really grosses me out. |
| 07:18.51 | denial | icyfire, yeah, I ran it already as a regular user |
| 07:19.17 | stouset | skaught: Why? |
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| 07:19.20 | icyfire0573 | denial, do you have the mp3 plugin for gstreamer installed, or whatever sound format you have? |
| 07:19.40 | wishie | im having trouble getting my USB printer to work in debian.. i can see its ink levels etc using mtink, but cant seem to print via CUPS |
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| 07:20.12 | D_F | skaught: How large should the swap partition be, considering I have 384MB RAM? |
| 07:20.27 | icyfire0573 | typical thoughts are swap is 2x the ram |
| 07:20.38 | D_F | Ah - so I've heard, just wanted to be sure. |
| 07:20.41 | skaught | stouset: Because it doesn't quite jive with the UNIX way. Requiring users to register plugins, etc, etc. It does an aweful lot of things for just one component -- quite hefty |
| 07:20.47 | wishie | E [24/May/2005:17:15:38 +1000] Unable to convert file 0 to printable format for job 8! |
| 07:20.50 | denial | icyfire0573, I can't see a plugin for mp3... figured it was installed by default |
| 07:20.51 | wishie | I [24/May/2005:17:15:38 +1000] Hint: Do you have ESP Ghostscript installed? |
| 07:20.54 | wishie | oops, wrong server. sorry. |
| 07:20.55 | skaught | D_F: 1.5-2 times your RAM is a fair rule of thumb |
| 07:21.05 | D_F | skaught: OK - I'll make it 768MB. |
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| 07:21.06 | glick | how can i look at the id tag of a mp3? |
| 07:21.07 | wishie | but applicable here anyway |
| 07:21.17 | alexmacy | hi |
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| 07:21.48 | icyfire0573 | denial, i believe the plugin is called gstreamer0.8-mad |
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| 07:21.57 | Coke | wishie: there's a ton of CUPS material if you google for it. |
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| 07:22.09 | cafuego | D_F: Under 512MB, 1 to 2 times the size of your ram, when you have more ram, about the same size. |
| 07:22.10 | skaught | glick: Like, programmatically? |
| 07:22.20 | Coke | wishie: does your printer have postscript support? |
| 07:22.24 | glick | skaught: ? |
| 07:22.25 | michael__ | hi.. i think i fucked my interfaces file. whats the package to dpkg-reconfigure to get the dialog where i can set up my eth0? |
| 07:22.29 | D_F | cafuego: OK - I've already configured it as 768MB. |
| 07:22.38 | cafuego | D_F: There used to be a performance hit if swap was smaller than twice the ram, but that no longer applies. |
| 07:22.40 | skaught | glick: Do you want to look at the id3 tag of a file programmatically? |
| 07:22.42 | D_F | skaught: Partitioning is now done. Thanks for your help. :) |
| 07:22.49 | denial | icyfire0573, ok, that one wasn't by default... installing it now |
| 07:22.50 | D_F | cafuego: Ah, OK. |
| 07:22.54 | glick | skaught: oh no |
| 07:22.54 | skaught | D_F: Not a problem |
| 07:22.57 | glick | just look at it |
| 07:23.01 | glick | what it says |
| 07:23.06 | oppoziee | can anyone help me with an Netgear WG511 (Rev. 1) PCMCIA WLAN Card? I use kernel 2.6.8. But iwconfig says "NOT READY!" |
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| 07:24.02 | skaught | glick: Look for a id3 tag view/editor. Something like id3ed should do the trick |
| 07:24.07 | shurik | Fsck you and your whore girlfriends |
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| 07:24.12 | michael__ | lol |
| 07:24.14 | shurik | :) |
| 07:24.26 | wishie | Coke: i have been googling. my printer is an Epson, so it uses its own proprietary commands i think |
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| 07:24.34 | denial | icyfire0573, still getting /dev/dsp is in use, and lsof shows nothing |
| 07:24.35 | cafuego | shurik: Please don't refer to your father that way. |
| 07:24.39 | wishie | apparenylu IJS/Ghostscript deal with that though |
| 07:24.40 | michael__ | haha |
| 07:24.53 | shurik | cafuego I was refering to your uncle |
| 07:25.04 | cafuego | shurik: I have no uncles. |
| 07:25.08 | icyfire0573 | denial, try quitting amarok again, running killall amarokapp, then gst-register-0.8, then rerun amarok then see if it works |
| 07:25.12 | scruffy | does anyone have any suggestions for how I can have a search.cgi run at a certain nice setting? Fixing the bad coding isn't an option and it's causing a CPU problem. |
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| 07:25.13 | michael__ | haha pwned |
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| 07:26.14 | denial | icyfire0573, wow... thank you very much... would not have been able to track through all that crap without your help |
| 07:26.33 | icyfire0573 | denial, next time just get the damn xine plugin for amarok :-) |
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| 07:26.48 | denial | icyfire0573, xine? |
| 07:26.50 | Coke | wishie: I have never successfully configured CUPS. basically, printing in non-Windows is a hazzle unless your printer supports PS or GS. |
| 07:26.57 | icyfire0573 | denial, dont even think about it |
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| 07:27.08 | denial | icyfire0573, ;) |
| 07:27.39 | wishie | hmm |
| 07:27.50 | wishie | fixed the ESP Ghostscript error message.. |
| 07:27.53 | wishie | getting somewhere.. |
| 07:28.06 | D_F | That seemed a bit slow to boot... |
| 07:28.15 | denial | allright, later people, thanks icyfire0573 and Guerin |
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| 07:29.29 | Wowzer | man...aptitude somehow corrupted the password for my mysql-server. And I cant reset the password for mysql-server! |
| 07:29.36 | D_F | Cool - the netinstaller is download the files needed at 160kB/s :D |
| 07:29.38 | JohnConstantine | I think vi-user is more than emacs-user...right?? |
| 07:30.08 | cafuego | silly 1.5Mbit dsl |
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| 07:31.26 | D_F | I'm at the part where I choose what software to install. All I plan to host is HTTPd, FTPd, IRCd, and I need mySQL. Should I just choose Web server and SQL Database? |
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| 07:32.34 | cureless | D_F, choose nothing. Then choose what you need one by one |
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| 07:32.49 | D_F | cureless: OK... can you help me with that if I choose nothing? :) |
| 07:33.10 | cureless | D_F, you won't need the help, it's really simple. But yes, if I'm here I'll help |
| 07:33.15 | D_F | cureless: Wait, do you mean nothing or manual package selection? |
| 07:33.15 | JohnConstantine | fds |
| 07:33.22 | cureless | D_F, I mean nothing. |
| 07:33.22 | D_F | cureless: Because I can't stand aptitude |
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| 07:33.32 | mathrick | hi |
| 07:33.38 | D_F | cureless: Oh, so then when I'm ready to choose my stuff, I just "apt-get install" it all? |
| 07:33.48 | cureless | D_F, how come? (I just use apt-get, but aptitude is ok. You're not thinking dselect, are you?) |
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| 07:34.09 | D_F | cureless: Dunno, just can't stand it. |
| 07:34.18 | mathrick | is there a way to automatically install python2.4 and everything I have currently installed for python2.3 ? |
| 07:34.19 | cureless | D_F, yes, once you have a working base system apt-get install the servers you need. |
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| 07:34.27 | D_F | cureless: OK - I'll do that. :) |
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| 07:34.36 | D_F | Be back later :) |
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| 07:40.50 | s-toned | What I meant was "How do I activate alt-numpad for entering ascii codes in X?" It works on a tty console. |
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| 07:44.26 | jbmigel | Anyone know why deb installer doesnt recognise my IDE drive connected through a UltraDMA133 promise raid controller in simple IDE mode? |
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| 07:47.02 | mathrick | s-toned: there isn't single universal way in X. In GTK2, you can use Ctrl+Shift+<hex unicode reference> |
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| 07:47.54 | kain | hello |
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| 07:48.03 | oppoziee | can anyone help me with an Netgear WG511 (Rev. 1) PCMCIA WLAN Card? I use kernel 2.6.8. But iwconfig says "NOT READY!" |
| 07:48.22 | jm_ | jbmigel: check if kernel recoginzies it at all |
| 07:48.28 | shurik | is the card supported ? |
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| 07:49.01 | jbmigel | jm_ you mean kernel may not support ultraDMA? |
| 07:49.04 | D_F | cureless: You still here? |
| 07:49.22 | jm_ | jbmigel: no, just check if it recognized the drive |
| 07:50.58 | oppoziee | yes its supported its an prism54gt chipset an the module support ist an debian standard 2.6.8 activated.. |
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| 07:51.11 | jbmigel | jm_ well it didnt put it in the list with the other drives to install too so i assume no. The drive is fine i have it connected through the standard ATA133 interface now and it works... but i want it UDMA'ed |
| 07:51.14 | oppoziee | i think that will be a prob with the firmware... |
| 07:51.58 | s-toned | mathrick: That works in gedit. Well, better than nothing. Thanks. |
| 07:52.06 | mathrick | np |
| 07:52.07 | sobersabre | how can i test for a variable in bash ? the meaning should be 'variable X is not empty ' |
| 07:52.08 | jm_ | jbmigel: that would only mean installer doesn't recognize it, not that kernel didn't - so there may be an issue with the installer or with the kernel |
| 07:52.31 | mathrick | sobersabre: if [ "x$var" != "x" ]; then ... |
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| 07:52.43 | jm_ | sobersabre: read ABS |
| 07:52.52 | mathrick | sobersabre: where $var is variable you want to test |
| 07:53.36 | jbmigel | jm_ i guess your right, I will plug it in and see if i can get fdisk to run on it |
| 07:53.51 | jm_ | jbmigel: there are also things like /proc/ide and dmesg output and so on |
| 07:54.06 | cureless | D_F, still here |
| 07:54.12 | D_F | Good. |
| 07:54.24 | D_F | cureless: How come exim is installed even when you choose nothing? :/ |
| 07:54.51 | cureless | a basic system still "needs" an MTA. |
| 07:54.58 | skaught | D_F: an MTA (exim by default) is part of the base system to handle things like system messages |
| 07:55.04 | D_F | cureless: it's OK to remove it right? |
| 07:55.10 | cureless | mail is used for various system communications (to root) |
| 07:55.18 | silverton | When pinging an IP address, how do I make it resolve to a hostname? |
| 07:55.20 | cureless | D_F, no. |
| 07:55.22 | skaught | D_F: Not really, you should keep it. Don't worry, exim is quite light |
| 07:55.25 | silverton | like, when ping an address on the local network |
| 07:55.26 | cureless | D_F, but you can replace it. |
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| 07:55.41 | D_F | cureless: Oops |
| 07:55.45 | cureless | D_F, what you probably want is to configure it "off". |
| 07:55.50 | D_F | cureless: Better reinstall it :P |
| 07:56.00 | jm_ | silverton: that makes no sense |
| 07:56.01 | skaught | D_F: How did you remove it? |
| 07:56.01 | D_F | cureless: How do I do that? |
| 07:56.07 | D_F | skaught: apt-get remove |
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| 07:56.39 | silverton | ok... I want to ping an ip address on my network (i.e. 192.168.0.2) and I want it to return the machines hostname |
| 07:57.07 | jm_ | no you don't - ping doesn't do that |
| 07:57.13 | jm_ | man host |
| 07:57.38 | skaught | D_F: Oh, I forgot that apt-get doesn't complain about it... aptitude does. Just apt-get install the same package(s), it will have kept your configuration files |
| 07:57.39 | D_F | cureless: I want only the wheel group to be able to su, and I want to configure PAM to do that. |
| 07:57.40 | doleyb | silverton: that is like weighing yourself with a yardstick |
| 07:57.48 | D_F | skaught: I reinstalled it with APT :) |
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| 07:58.20 | D_F | A13x: Are you the same A13x from DCX team? |
| 07:58.23 | cureless | D_F, configure /etc/sudoers |
| 07:58.30 | D_F | cureless: OK :) |
| 07:58.36 | skaught | D_F: It's not a huge deal, but Debian does provide useful e-mails to the administrator on occasion :) |
| 07:58.54 | D_F | skaught: I'd probably like it if I knew how to setup a mail server :( |
| 07:59.08 | D_F | cureless: No, I mean being able to use su, not sudo |
| 07:59.09 | skaught | D_F: Debian should have configured it for you |
| 07:59.29 | D_F | skaught: Yeah, but then there's all the other stuff like MX record, etc/. |
| 07:59.31 | cureless | D_F, keep an MTA, basic configuration should be done for you, just choose "only local delivery" or some such option. |
| 07:59.36 | silverton | jm_, I still don't see what I want to do with host |
| 07:59.59 | cureless | D_F, forget MX records, you don't need to setup any of that. |
| 08:00.08 | jm_ | silverton: host is used to make reverse resolution (IP to host) |
| 08:00.13 | cureless | D_F, MX records are DNS, not mail per se. |
| 08:00.19 | jm_ | or to get a result of, or whatever |
| 08:00.27 | silverton | well, "host 192.168.0.2" doesn't work... |
| 08:00.29 | D_F | cureless: Yes, but if I setup a mailserver, I want it to work with my DDNS |
| 08:00.30 | agenteo | hi, how much must be the root in a debian sarge. I was used about 100MB on woody but seems too little... (/usr /lib /home /tmp are on other partitions) |
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| 08:00.41 | jm_ | then use getent |
| 08:00.49 | cureless | silverton, use host, or dig or (sort of depricated) nslookup. |
| 08:00.52 | jm_ | it seems you don't have name server for your network |
| 08:01.17 | D_F | cureless: Whatever, forget mailserver. Onto configuring SSHd so only wheel can su :D |
| 08:01.23 | cureless | D_F, for what? I thought you didn't need a mailserver? Also, if a system doesn't have an MX record the A record will be used. |
| 08:01.25 | jm_ | should have mentioned getent from the start |
| 08:02.10 | D_F | cureless: I don't "need" a mail server, I just thought it'd be cool to have one. |
| 08:02.12 | sciboy | I am wondering what it takes to get an openGL/SDL app to play into the rootwindow (desktop)? |
| 08:02.20 | sciboy | And after that, how to have that application have minimal impact on any other applications that are using the same resources. |
| 08:02.56 | cureless | sciboy, you're asking for a lot. |
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| 08:03.20 | sciboy | cureless: I am curious =) |
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| 08:03.28 | cureless | sciboy, the application should be able to use the root window... well, it depends on the application, try something like -root |
| 08:03.53 | sciboy | cureless: Code wise? =P |
| 08:03.58 | cureless | sciboy, as for have minimal impact, I don't know what you mean. Maybe you just want to run in in nice mode. |
| 08:04.07 | cureless | sciboy, so you're writing the GL code? |
| 08:04.23 | sciboy | cureless: In theory. |
| 08:04.52 | skaught | Just design it properly, nicing it isn't an ideal solution... it tends to yield unpredictable results |
| 08:04.55 | cureless | sciboy, well, "in theory" you can request the root window. |
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| 08:05.27 | sciboy | cureless: Is there a good resource for information relative to this that you could point me to? =) |
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| 08:05.54 | cureless | sciboy, the opengl docs? |
| 08:06.10 | cureless | sciboy, or maybe the X lib apis. |
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| 08:06.38 | jbmigel | sciboy i dont think you will have trouble getting a handle to the desktop, but passing your mangled image on to gnome/kde to put its crap on top will be the ticket |
| 08:06.43 | umbop | hey guys, what is the status now with nvidia and debian? As i remember a while ago it use to be a bit of a nightmare to get the modules etc |
| 08:07.17 | cureless | I don't really do opengl coding. But from what I remember my friends doing in, it's not that hard. |
| 08:07.21 | sciboy | jbmigel: Its easy to get gnome and kde to stop drawing to the desktop =) |
| 08:07.38 | cureless | The hard part is integrating your opengl application with all the "crap" that's out there. |
| 08:08.16 | jbmigel | sciboy well if your just going to stop them then why try to interoperate with them? just make your own desktop environment starting with the background |
| 08:08.41 | sciboy | jbmigel: I don't plan to, i am designing this for XFCE. |
| 08:08.58 | sciboy | jbmigel: Which seems to be pretty ok with me drawing stuff to the root window. |
| 08:09.02 | cureless | sciboy, same thing applies. What the hell are you doing? Just some opengl background? |
| 08:09.03 | D_F | cureless: Is it hard to get PHP working with Apache? |
| 08:09.08 | cureless | D_F, trivial. |
| 08:09.17 | D_F | cureless: How so? |
| 08:09.24 | sciboy | cureless: Yup, an animated opengl background. |
| 08:09.26 | cureless | D_F, apt-get install the-php-modules. |
| 08:09.40 | cureless | sciboy, easy, use the code for any screensaver. Those already work as backgrounds. |
| 08:09.46 | D_F | cureless: Uh.... OK..... |
| 08:10.02 | jbmigel | cureless i can set my background to a screensaver? |
| 08:10.02 | cureless | D_F, or you can do it other (albeit harder) ways. |
| 08:10.02 | d03boy | ive been fussing with ndiswrapper, and I've finally come to the decision (i dont know for sure) that I dont have the ndiswrapper module installed in the kernel (does that sound right?) |
| 08:10.27 | sciboy | cureless: Really? |
| 08:10.28 | D_F | cureless: OK - so what PHP modules? |
| 08:10.46 | D_F | cureless: libapache-mod-php4? |
| 08:10.51 | cureless | jbmigel, you should be able to (... if the desktop environment allows you to grab it). |
| 08:11.56 | cureless | sciboy, look at the code from Enlightenment, they have moving backgrounds working really nicely. |
| 08:12.15 | D_F | cureless: libapache-mod-php4 < is that the one I want? |
| 08:12.30 | cureless | google for Enlightentment demo or something like that. I remember seing a video of it. |
| 08:12.42 | cureless | D_F, well, is that what you're looking for? |
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| 08:12.47 | D_F | cureless: I guess so |
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| 08:14.30 | d03boy | do I need to recompile my kernel to add a module to it? |
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| 08:15.46 | jbmigel | do3boy you will need to compile the module, and for that will require your kernel headers at least |
| 08:15.56 | d03boy | ok |
| 08:16.37 | cureless | d03boy, there are some modules that might require kernel changes, most don't (if you are using the debian kernel or some other enable-everything-we-can kernel) |
| 08:16.37 | umbop | or you could use insmod |
| 08:16.48 | d03boy | im so confused :( |
| 08:16.55 | Guerin | !insmod |
| 08:16.55 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 08:17.08 | d03boy | lol |
| 08:17.12 | cureless | d03boy, do you want to just load the module? Or compile a new previously-unavailable module? |
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| 08:17.40 | d03boy | cureless, i wish I knew... i just keep getting an error when I try to "modprobe ndiswrapper".. says it cant find the module |
| 08:17.59 | cureless | aha! the plot thikens. |
| 08:18.01 | jbmigel | lol umbop |
| 08:18.38 | cureless | d03boy, how did you install/get ndiswrapper? |
| 08:18.46 | d03boy | via apt |
| 08:18.53 | cureless | d03boy, which one did you get? |
| 08:18.54 | d03boy | actually, I may have gotten ndiswrapper-tools |
| 08:18.59 | d03boy | or something of the sort |
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| 08:19.23 | cureless | d03boy, you need the kernel module. Either precompiled for your kernel (if available) or the source (so you can compile it for your kernel) |
| 08:19.25 | d03boy | utils |
| 08:19.31 | d03boy | ok.. |
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| 08:19.50 | cureless | d03boy, what kernel are you running? |
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| 08:20.12 | d03boy | Linux mrslave 2.6.11-1-686 #1 Sun Apr 3 06:20:48 EDT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:21.08 | d03boy | apt only comes up with 2.6.8 versions |
| 08:21.14 | d03boy | sooo, I should get the source and compile it? |
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| 08:22.08 | cureless | d03boy, yes. |
| 08:22.23 | d03boy | kain, i dont trust the source from apt, so I will get it from sourceforge i guess |
| 08:22.42 | nunez | What happened to the program mindi? seems like everybody has taken it down from their sites |
| 08:22.43 | cureless | d03boy, why is that? |
| 08:22.47 | nunez | Is there a replacement |
| 08:22.48 | nunez | ? |
| 08:23.16 | d03boy | cureless, because I dont know how old that source is? |
| 08:23.29 | jbmigel | ya i dont trust anything from apt, i think them dirty maintainers put nasty hooks in there to get my credit card number, how else can they offer truly "FREE" software... well they aint getting me |
| 08:23.33 | cureless | d03boy, you wouldn't know how old the precompiled ones are either. |
| 08:23.47 | cureless | d03boy, use the debian one unless you have a reason not to (like it doesn't work). |
| 08:23.53 | d03boy | oh ya, im retarded |
| 08:24.03 | cureless | d03boy, the debian package is set up so that you can easily create a module for your kernel. |
| 08:24.17 | cureless | d03boy, btw, you need the kernel sources or kernel headers for the module compile. |
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| 08:24.43 | d03boy | i'm pretty sure I have them, if I'm thinking of the right thing |
| 08:24.54 | cureless | nunez, isn't mindi in apt? |
| 08:25.13 | cureless | d03boy, you'll find out when you try to compile the module |
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| 08:26.09 | nunez | nunez, yeah, but I try to research it for help and I get very little |
| 08:26.34 | nunez | Whats a very good backup utitlity other than mindi? |
| 08:26.35 | d03boy | any idea where source files go? |
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| 08:26.53 | icyfire0573 | kernel source should go to /usr/src/ |
| 08:26.57 | jbmigel | /usr/src? |
| 08:27.10 | cureless | nunez, you mean like http://www.mondorescue.org ? |
| 08:27.13 | d03boy | good call |
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| 08:27.44 | giupy | hi all |
| 08:27.46 | d03boy | !bzip2 |
| 08:27.46 | dpkg | well, bzip2 is a high-quality block-sorting file compressor, but see bz2 |
| 08:27.51 | jbmigel | do3boy make sure you get the right sources! using apt is way easier than whatever your doing |
| 08:27.54 | giupy | can i run hotkeys automaticcaly at boot ? |
| 08:28.02 | d03boy | jbmigel, im using apt |
| 08:28.03 | giupy | automatically |
| 08:28.32 | icyfire0573 | giupy, put it in /etc/init/rc* star being the init level your in, /etc/inittab will tell you what init level you start at |
| 08:28.47 | icyfire0573 | rcS that is, not just rc |
| 08:28.54 | giupy | icyfire0573, i'll try thanks |
| 08:29.03 | jbmigel | do3boy: oh hehe -> "tar xjvf kernel-source-2.x.y.tar.bz2" |
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| 08:29.21 | d03boy | got it thanks :) |
| 08:29.27 | Guerin | what should be the permissions of ~/.ICEauthority? |
| 08:29.30 | d03boy | i msged dpkg for the first time ever... how handy that bot is |
| 08:29.41 | Guerin | this is half a trick question, beecause I think I already know |
| 08:29.48 | icyfire0573 | 600 |
| 08:29.52 | icyfire0573 | Guerin, |
| 08:29.52 | Guerin | !botsnack |
| 08:29.52 | dpkg | Guerin: aw, gee |
| 08:29.58 | Guerin | icyfire0573: owned by user? |
| 08:30.08 | Guerin | (as opposed to root) |
| 08:30.14 | icyfire0573 | yep, owned and writable, user |
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| 08:30.27 | cureless | Guerin, did you startx from a "su" again? |
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| 08:30.28 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you're having all sorts of fun with root owned files? |
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| 08:30.30 | Guerin | icyfire0573: cheers. Now to figure out why it got changed to root. |
| 08:30.39 | Guerin | different computers, would you believe |
| 08:30.55 | Guerin | this one is a machine which is accessed by an xdmcp client |
| 08:31.46 | streuner | hm |
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| 08:32.06 | cureless | Guerin, the ownership problems happen when you run startx or xinit on an account where you su'ed to root. The processes get started as root (and create root owned files) but some of the environmental variables are still set for the user. |
| 08:32.20 | Guerin | cureless: yeah. I didn't, though. |
| 08:32.47 | Guerin | interestingly, i just rebooted this morning for a new kernel |
| 08:33.00 | cureless | so? |
| 08:33.07 | Guerin | and another (local) user on that machine can start an x session normally |
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| 08:33.27 | Guerin | cureless: so it hasn't been used by that x client since the reboot, until my wife tried to log in just now |
| 08:33.42 | Guerin | xdmcp client, i mean |
| 08:34.33 | cureless | it's been a while since I've used xdmcp. |
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| 08:34.43 | cureless | Guerin, is this an unstable box? |
| 08:34.57 | salahuddin | hello |
| 08:35.02 | Guerin | i don't believe it does anything much different... it just allows a remote x server to connect and login via *dm |
| 08:35.07 | Guerin | cureless: yeah, plain sid. |
| 08:35.08 | skaught | Hi salahuddin |
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| 08:35.12 | salahuddin | i am looking for the nvidia-glx for sarge |
| 08:35.36 | streuner | salahuddin: do you have contrib and non-free section? |
| 08:35.37 | cureless | Guerin, not related, there was a problem with initrd-tools recently. |
| 08:35.52 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx sarge |
| 08:35.53 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2966 kB, Installed size: 9592 kB |
| 08:36.02 | salahuddin | cant found the prefect one do not work correctally and other i have found www.apt-get.org is install nad work but do not run script preperly |
| 08:36.02 | salahuddin | no |
| 08:36.11 | Guerin | ⌫ |
| 08:36.14 | michal_ | are there any opensource "netflow collectors" ? |
| 08:36.14 | Guerin | grr |
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| 08:36.17 | streuner | salahuddin: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:36.26 | Guerin | wtf is a netflow collector when it's at home? |
| 08:36.39 | d03boy | well, I compiled the ndiswrappper source, and it still isnt modprobing :( |
| 08:37.12 | michal_ | guerin: i presume a "netflow collector" is a "netflow collector" regardless of where it is |
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| 08:37.17 | cureless | Guerin, I've used xdmcp in the past, just not recently to remember the permission setup (and take a guess at what's going on with your .ICE-unix, which btw is 1777 owned by root)) |
| 08:37.19 | salahuddin | it says |
| 08:37.24 | salahuddin | that "Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 08:37.25 | salahuddin | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 08:37.25 | salahuddin | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 08:37.25 | salahuddin | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 08:37.25 | salahuddin | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| 08:37.25 | salahuddin | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 08:37.32 | streuner | dumbass |
| 08:37.44 | dondelelcaro | !win salahuddin |
| 08:37.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, salahuddin! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 08:37.50 | streuner | haha |
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| 08:37.55 | cureless | d03boy, how did you compile it? |
| 08:37.57 | d03boy | ok, I used depmod -a, then I tried modprobe ndiswrapper and now it works :) |
| 08:38.00 | dondelelcaro | salahuddin: read /topic, and don't paste here. |
| 08:38.09 | ralf | what are AOL cd? |
| 08:38.11 | salahuddin | oh opps |
| 08:38.13 | cureless | d03boy, ok, so you're goot to go. |
| 08:38.15 | streuner | salahuddin: edit your souces.list |
| 08:38.19 | d03boy | woohoo, thanks for the help peoples |
| 08:38.25 | salahuddin | 2.3.2.ds1-21 |
| 08:38.37 | salahuddin | and the nvidia-glx need the 20 not 21 |
| 08:38.54 | streuner | salahuddin: nvidia-glx is in sarge and you are running sarge |
| 08:38.55 | Guerin | cureless: i don't have a .ICE-unix, at least not in ~ |
| 08:39.00 | salahuddin | ya |
| 08:39.13 | salahuddin | mirrors.kernel.org |
| 08:39.19 | salahuddin | only |
| 08:39.38 | streuner | so? |
| 08:39.49 | Guerin | oh, it lives in /tmo |
| 08:39.50 | cureless | Guerin, I thought you were talking /tmp |
| 08:39.53 | streuner | You don't want to tell us mirrors.kernel.org has no non-free section? |
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| 08:40.00 | Guerin | cureless: no, these files are in ~ |
| 08:40.01 | salahuddin | i seach in www.apt-get.org for the nvidia-glx |
| 08:40.12 | jbmigel | !nvidia one liner |
| 08:40.12 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 08:40.15 | streuner | salahuddin: You don't need too |
| 08:40.24 | streuner | s/too/to/ |
| 08:40.57 | Guerin | ok, well, fuck it, chown time. |
| 08:40.58 | cureless | Guerin, yes, iceauthority lives in ~, but there should be some user owned files in /tmp/.ICE-unix too, no? |
| 08:41.07 | streuner | salahuddin: Are you learn-resisdent? |
| 08:41.10 | Guerin | cureless: yeah, there are. |
| 08:41.18 | salahuddin | ya |
| 08:41.20 | tra1a1a | streuner: :))) |
| 08:41.22 | erps | of course the rsync package src isn't avilable :p |
| 08:41.41 | Guerin | no rootkits showing, no other suspicious activity. I'll put it down to sid being sid, and see what happens. |
| 08:41.44 | cureless | Guerin, is it still giving you crap or are you just trying to find out what went wrong? |
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| 08:42.08 | Guerin | cureless: just trying to figure out why. |
| 08:42.30 | cureless | Guerin, tell me about it, I got the initrd bug and had to uninstall and reinstall the kernel just to have the initrds work correctly. |
| 08:42.31 | maalox | Does anyone know how to change the default mail program for mozilla? I'm tired of using evolution |
| 08:42.34 | streuner | salahuddin: http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/nvidia-glx |
| 08:42.41 | Xyrouz | Have anyone experienced that Debian SID was unable to boot after update yesterday (12 hours ago) ? |
| 08:42.53 | salahuddin | thanx |
| 08:42.59 | streuner | Xyrouz: no |
| 08:43.00 | cureless | Xyrouz, yes, update the initrd-tools, unistall and reinstall your kernel if needed. |
| 08:43.14 | Coke | maalox: I have another suggestion; apt-get install mutt |
| 08:43.18 | Xyrouz | cureless, thx, will du that... |
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| 08:43.27 | Guerin | cureless: heh, funky. Yeah, giving me no problems now that i've changed the ownership |
| 08:43.29 | maalox | Coke: ;) |
| 08:43.40 | Coke | maalox: I've been using it for two years now and I'm very pleased with it. |
| 08:44.01 | tra1a1a | maalox: that's not exactly a debian question, is it? |
| 08:44.05 | maalox | Coke: The problem is I need to send a form via mozilla |
| 08:44.10 | nunez | anybody know why when I do "aumix" it says "aumix: Error opening mixer" yet I installed ncurses for it |
| 08:44.11 | Coke | maalox: why? |
| 08:44.11 | streuner | Xyrouz: the problem is always the same, use serveral kernels |
| 08:44.27 | skaught | I don't use initrd, but I happened to install and upgrade a machine to Sid yesterday, so I did notice that :) |
| 08:44.28 | Coke | maalox: are you talking about HTTP forms? |
| 08:44.32 | cureless | Guerin, are you sure you didn't su? maybe to run k3b or some other I-need-to-be-graphical-root-sometimes app? |
| 08:44.34 | Coke | maalox: sorry, HTML forms. |
| 08:44.36 | Guerin | nunez: because curse has nothing to do with the mixer? |
| 08:44.42 | streuner | nunez: so the audio module is loaded? |
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| 08:44.48 | maalox | Coke: Yeah. Oldschool ones |
| 08:44.50 | icyfire0573 | nunez, because it cant open the mixer not because it cant open the program? |
| 08:45.03 | Coke | maalox: that is done through a HTML browser, not an MUA |
| 08:45.21 | Guerin | cureless: hell no. I run k3b with sudo. My wife is the only person who's tried to log into X on that machine, and she doesn't know the root pass :) |
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| 08:45.23 | cureless | nunez, if your soundcard is installed correctly, and you're using alsa remember the oss mixer module. |
| 08:45.37 | maalox | Coke: Yes usually, but this particular one doesn't send the email via cgi |
| 08:45.40 | Coke | maalox: anyway, all confiuration in Firefox can be done by going to the URL "about:config" |
| 08:45.53 | maalox | Coke: It opens up a mail client with the info in it |
| 08:45.58 | solars | hi, how can I boot a linux kernel with grub if I don't know the exact name of the kernel file in /boot/ ? its vmlinuz-2.6.11.xx |
| 08:46.02 | cureless | Guerin, I had an ex girlfriend ask me for my root password once. Did I mention she is my ex? |
| 08:46.06 | maalox | Coke: And evolution doesn't display it correctly |
| 08:46.07 | Guerin | haha |
| 08:46.08 | Coke | maalox: so that's the problem; the site is broken |
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| 08:46.13 | maalox | Coke: Well yes |
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| 08:46.24 | Coke | maalox: write and complain :) |
| 08:46.27 | jm_ | solars: GRUB has tab completion, maybe you should read the docs first |
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| 08:46.45 | solars | jm_ I read the docs first |
| 08:46.55 | Coke | maalox: but like I said, about:config, then search for something with the word "mail" in it or similar. |
| 08:47.19 | maalox | Coke: Thanks :) |
| 08:47.36 | jm_ | solars: so why are you asking this? or do you actually want GRUB to find the latest kernel named vmlinuz-2.6.* and boot that? that won't work |
| 08:47.50 | solars | jm_ and it cannot find anything with root(hd2,h2) and then kernel /boot/vmlinuz<tab> |
| 08:48.04 | jm_ | solars: (hd2,h2) ? |
| 08:48.04 | Guerin | s/h//2 |
| 08:48.19 | solars | jm_ because I don't know the kernel name ... |
| 08:48.23 | solars | sry, hd2,2 yeah |
| 08:48.40 | jm_ | solars: that means either (hd2,2) is wrong, or it can't read it |
| 08:48.45 | jm_ | or you have no /boot dir on it |
| 08:49.05 | solars | I'm sure its now wrong ... thats the problem |
| 08:49.15 | tra1a1a | solars: so you root partition is on hdc3? |
| 08:49.18 | cureless | solars, is your kernel in that partition or do you have a separate /boot? |
| 08:49.34 | nunez | cureless, thanks, that fixed it |
| 08:49.51 | solars | tra1a1a: yes |
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| 08:49.56 | cureless | nunez, no prob. Make sure you add it to /etc/modules for the next boot. |
| 08:49.59 | solars | cureless: in that partition |
| 08:50.00 | nunez | cureless, You know how to do the Save? the S is red, but 's' doesnt work |
| 08:50.12 | tra1a1a | solars: and your fs is? |
| 08:50.19 | solars | ext3 |
| 08:50.19 | cureless | nunez, save what? |
| 08:50.22 | Guerin | ? |
| 08:50.28 | solars | hm I guess the version is too old |
| 08:50.30 | Guerin | is he talking about a mixer? |
| 08:50.30 | cureless | solars, try without the /boot/ in front of it. |
| 08:50.38 | cureless | Guerin, I think so. |
| 08:50.40 | nunez | cureless, my options in aumix |
| 08:50.42 | solars | I'll d/l a new grub version and try |
| 08:50.46 | cureless | nunez, like the volumes? |
| 08:50.47 | solars | cureless: same result .. |
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| 08:51.13 | cureless | nunez, iirc when alsa is unloaded (on reboot/shutdown) it'll save your current mixer values. |
| 08:51.20 | tra1a1a | solars: do you have /boot there? |
| 08:51.44 | solars | yes |
| 08:51.45 | cureless | solars, how about trying other partitions / hard drives? Was grub ever working? |
| 08:51.56 | nunez | cureless, iirc? |
| 08:52.03 | solars | yeah but not with that disk .. |
| 08:52.15 | solars | I'll reboot and try a lilo boot disk |
| 08:52.17 | jm_ | so it has trouble reading from it like I said |
| 08:52.20 | cureless | nunez, iirc = if I recall correctly. |
| 08:52.26 | s-toned | There is a nice preview of saved *.html pages in konqueror. Would it be possible to get such a preview while being with the mouse over a normal link? |
| 08:52.28 | nunez | alight, thanks |
| 08:52.33 | solars | brb |
| 08:52.53 | tra1a1a | solars: does grub give you a list of files when you /boot<tab><tab>? |
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| 08:53.24 | Guerin | s-toned: it might be possible to set that up in konqueror's preview thingamawhatsit - i think most network previews are disabled, for obvious reasons |
| 08:53.37 | Guerin | s-toned: this would be a question for a kde channel, though |
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| 08:55.02 | smagy2 | hello folks, i had installed woody and then upgraded to unstable. the stock 2.2.x kernel is still running. i am trying to compile 2.6.11 and boot it, but the kernel always complains of unable to mount the root filesystem and the type is unknown. ext2, ext3 and reiserfs are compiled into the kernel. the root file system specified is also correct. would appreciate some help |
| 08:55.18 | bob2 | don't bother compiling it |
| 08:55.21 | petemc | smagy2: there are prebuilt kernels |
| 08:55.22 | bob2 | just install a new kernel-image |
| 08:55.22 | Guerin | !bunk |
| 08:55.22 | dpkg | well, bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 08:55.25 | s-toned | Guerin: konqueror was only an example, any browser would be welcome to do this, if possible |
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| 08:56.10 | Guerin | s-toned: no way. konqueror is the only browser with even close to that sort of technology for inter-process communication |
| 08:56.18 | cureless | smagy2, install the debian kernel-image for 2.6, once you get that working you can do your own kernel and know that you have what you need for 2.6 |
| 08:56.46 | Guerin | much as i dislike kde, i'd almost use it just for konqueror if the damn thing would actually render webpages decently |
| 08:57.08 | petemc | konqueror doesnt do ajax stuff, so no google maps etc |
| 08:57.15 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 08:57.21 | Guerin | it also mangles css horribly |
| 08:57.27 | smagy2 | petemec, cureless Gurein thank you |
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| 09:02.56 | mufa | hi... I have an expired password (aged) and I cannot change it. How could I fix that? |
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| 09:03.08 | bob2 | you used to be able to use Gecko inside konq |
| 09:03.11 | bob2 | which was whack |
| 09:03.12 | bob2 | but cool |
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| 09:04.04 | Coke | mufa: how did it expire? |
| 09:04.33 | antony | anyone using netatalk? one of my users can't see any files in a share. i have deleted his .Apple* files, but no joy. |
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| 09:05.00 | BucWheat | deadcat you there? |
| 09:05.01 | Coke | mufa: anyway, root can change any user password with the command "passwd <user>" |
| 09:05.09 | BucWheat | deadcat how are the papers coming along? |
| 09:05.24 | BucWheat | !seen deadcat |
| 09:05.24 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian (4h 43m 51s). Has said a total of 16373 messages. Is idling for 2h 59m 39s |
| 09:05.37 | BucWheat | !seen BucWheat |
| 09:05.37 | dpkg | bucwheat is currently on #debian (44s). Has said a total of 1356 messages. Is idling for 0s |
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| 09:05.39 | mufa | Coke: I tried that: "passwd user" and it says "Changing password for user user." and does nothing |
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| 09:06.03 | Coke | mufa: grep <user> /etc/passwd |
| 09:06.05 | Mardus | Hi. |
| 09:06.15 | BucWheat | hrmm... deadcat must be hard at work trying to finish those 8 essays |
| 09:06.22 | simonrvn | getent passwd user |
| 09:06.27 | jethro | moin moin |
| 09:06.31 | simonrvn | man getent |
| 09:06.34 | simonrvn | hi |
| 09:07.07 | mufa | user:x:505:505::/home/user:/bin/bash |
| 09:07.16 | Mardus | I've been using the gnotepad+ text editor and writing text in it, but it crashed. I haven't saved the file, but I wonder where I could get the text, which is supposedly in memory and I wish to recover it. The keyword that I have in mind is stack dump or something, but I am clueless about all that. |
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| 09:07.29 | simonrvn | 505? |
| 09:07.38 | mufa | looks normal to me |
| 09:07.47 | simonrvn | that's a radhatism |
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| 09:07.50 | simonrvn | red* |
| 09:07.51 | Coke | mufa: normally it would start over 1000. |
| 09:07.57 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:08.02 | Space_NL | root 643 0.0 0.2 2736 1024 ? S May19 0:00 /bin/bash /etc/rc2.d/S20xprint start <= i got this 3 times in my ps aux, and i dont even have a printer on it .. can i disable this, or does it have a different purpose ? |
| 09:08.18 | mufa | yeah, users id starts from 500... it's a fc system |
| 09:08.21 | Coke | mufa: regardless, if you have set the password for the user then it's all good. |
| 09:08.42 | Coke | mufa: fc system |
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| 09:08.48 | sciboy | Anyone here had success compiling Panda3d under debian? |
| 09:08.49 | Coke | mufa: fc system? |
| 09:08.53 | mufa | fedora core |
| 09:08.55 | simonrvn | fedora core |
| 09:09.05 | Mardus | Actually, gnp is in memory, but it hanged and it doesn't react. |
| 09:09.25 | mufa | Coke, that is my problem, I cannot set/change/modify the password |
| 09:09.31 | Space_NL | fedora ? *wonders if he is in the wrong channel* |
| 09:09.45 | mufa | I tried passwd -u user |
| 09:09.55 | bbrazil | mufa: usermod |
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| 09:10.49 | streuner | mufa: go to #fedora |
| 09:10.59 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
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| 09:11.25 | mufa | streuner, been there, but you are nicer :) |
| 09:11.47 | D_F | When I "apt-get install mysql", it says "E: Package mysql has no installation candidate". How should I install mySQL? |
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| 09:11.53 | Mardus | gnotepad+ hanged, it stays in memory and I want to have the unsaved text that it has trapped and I can't get it. How to get it? Is there anything to do with renicing a task or with a stack dump of the program? |
| 09:11.56 | timt | is this where we ask for help?? |
| 09:12.14 | timt | or am I in the wrong channel?? |
| 09:12.16 | Mardus | timt: This is also where we give help, too. |
| 09:12.22 | liable | timt: try it |
| 09:12.24 | jethro | !they don't know |
| 09:12.24 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 09:12.36 | Space_NL | timt: if you got questions on debian, they (we ?) might even do that |
| 09:12.43 | jethro | mufa: read above ^^ |
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| 09:13.07 | joshua__1 | Yo |
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| 09:13.18 | icyfire0573 | D_F, try aptitude search mysql for the package you need |
| 09:13.20 | Skrylar | hi mortum |
| 09:13.21 | mufa | jethro: then let's suppose I have this problem on a debian system |
| 09:13.44 | timt | dpkg: Im asking the people that are willing to help, obviously not you! |
| 09:13.44 | dpkg | timt: okay |
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| 09:13.55 | timt | whats your deal??\ |
| 09:14.05 | Skrylar | oh duh ... heres the command to use to burn the cds ( i just made a disc that boots but fails :S ) |
| 09:14.08 | streuner | mufa: you haven't and thats fact. |
| 09:14.09 | jethro | mufa: I m not into the good mood for pretending you have a debian system. what you'll get here is debian answers, they don't apply well to non debian system most of the time, so either *really* get yourself a debian system, or gtfo |
| 09:14.09 | Mardus | timt: You haven't even asked any help. |
| 09:14.12 | simonrvn | dpkg is a bot... |
| 09:14.13 | icyfire0573 | dpkg is a bot, wats the question timt |
| 09:14.14 | timt | Im just after some advice |
| 09:14.29 | streuner | !gtfo |
| 09:14.31 | liable | timt: just ask |
| 09:14.32 | timt | thats because dpkg thinks Im molesting by asking! |
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| 09:14.36 | DoM`Afk | hi all |
| 09:14.40 | timt | ok |
| 09:14.41 | jethro | dpkg: gtfo is get the fsck out |
| 09:14.42 | dpkg | jethro: okay |
| 09:14.43 | liable | timt: dpkg is a bot |
| 09:14.44 | Mardus | timt: dpkg is a bot. |
| 09:14.53 | Skrylar | hi DoM`Afk |
| 09:15.01 | DoM`Afk | anyone knows if exist webapp-config for debian ? |
| 09:15.11 | concept10 | timt: advice -- dont ask a questuon to ask a question .. just ask a question |
| 09:15.13 | mufa | jethro, if u give me a debian way to solve my problem, I will mange to adapt it to my system :) |
| 09:15.20 | icyfire0573 | DoM`Afk, like webmin? |
| 09:15.20 | MobyTurbo | mufa: if you have a distro-nonspecific question then go to ##linux or your distribution's channel (#fedora). Just because #debian is a busy channel doesn't mean it's for non-debian questions |
| 09:15.25 | jethro | mufa: you are a moron |
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| 09:15.32 | DoM`Afk | icyfire0573, no no it's different from webmin |
| 09:15.37 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 09:15.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:15.59 | D_F | lmao @ timt |
| 09:16.10 | mufa | jethro, why am I a morong, because I asked a question regarding password which is the same on almost linux distribution? |
| 09:16.16 | mufa | moron, sorry |
| 09:16.32 | simonrvn | so ask your question already |
| 09:16.34 | Skrylar | lol dpkg is flipping out |
| 09:16.48 | D_F | rofl |
| 09:16.55 | streuner | mufa: he already told you what's the problem, but you didn't give a fuck what he says or not |
| 09:16.59 | jethro | mufa: because 1/ you can't seem to be able to use the solution provided 2/ you keep on asking for problems occuring on your shitty fc system 3/ you wont understand you're off topic here, no matter what you can say |
| 09:17.01 | liable | Skrylar: you bot abusing? |
| 09:17.05 | MobyTurbo | !moron mufa |
| 09:17.06 | dpkg | mufa: You are moron #71 |
| 09:17.21 | Skrylar | liable: i haven't done anything to him |
| 09:17.28 | jethro | mufa: ie: you are a moron |
| 09:17.28 | timt | when I enter startx I get this: "perinit failed for input device Generic mouse, "Xf86Openserial:cannot open /dev/input/mice no such file or directory, cannot determine the mouse protocol, " fatal server error caught signal 4" . Does anyone have a fix? |
| 09:18.02 | Skrylar | timt: this is xfree isn't it |
| 09:18.06 | timt | yes |
| 09:18.07 | liable | timt: what kind of mouse, what version of debian |
| 09:18.09 | mufa | streuner: then it is my mistake I haven't seen that he told me what's the problem. My appologies for that. |
| 09:18.11 | icyfire0573 | timt, cat /dev/input/mice, if it says no such file then your mouse is configured wrong in /etc/X11/XF86config |
| 09:18.15 | Skrylar | timt: eww.. i only use xorg so i cant help :( sorry |
| 09:18.23 | jethro | !tell timt -about setup x |
| 09:18.49 | jethro | !tell timt -about troubleshooting x |
| 09:19.05 | D_F | icyfire0573: It also says "Package mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 09:19.12 | streuner | mufa: again, you can't solve fedora problems here in #debian |
| 09:19.15 | bob2 | D_F: do you mean mysql-server? |
| 09:19.34 | D_F | bob2: I just want the whole of mySQL installed. |
| 09:19.36 | Space_NL | root 643 0.0 0.2 2736 1024 ? S May19 0:00 /bin/bash /etc/rc2.d/S20xprint start <= i got this 3 times in my ps aux, and i dont even have a printer on it .. can i disable this, or does it have a different purpose ? |
| 09:19.40 | icyfire0573 | D_F, yes, i know, aptitude search mysql, will return you more than 40 packages, scroll through the buffer and find the one you want, then aptitude install it |
| 09:19.52 | concept10 | anyone know of a good hardware channel? i need advice on ecs motherboard |
| 09:19.54 | D_F | icyfire0573: I'm not sure which one I want :( |
| 09:20.06 | Mardus | My issue right now is that I have a text editor that hanged, but I want to get the text that's likely trapped in memory. How do I get it? Pointers? |
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| 09:20.16 | icyfire0573 | D_F, mysql-common |
| 09:20.18 | D_F | I guess mysql-server is what I need. Thanks bob2 |
| 09:20.29 | icyfire0573 | D_F, i agree w/ bob2 |
| 09:20.36 | Skrylar | Mardus: that or find something that lets you view your active memory |
| 09:20.38 | D_F | icyfire0573, bob2: Thanks for your time :) |
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| 09:20.43 | bob2 | D_F: no, you don't. do you mean "I want the mysql client and server installed"? if so, install mysql-server and mysql-client |
| 09:20.47 | bob2 | blah |
| 09:20.51 | Skrylar | Mardus: but then, you need to know where to point these pointers at |
| 09:20.54 | jethro | Space_NL: either man update-rc.d or apt-get install rcconf, and run rcconf. yes you can safely disable the xprint server |
| 09:20.59 | mufa | streuner: so, what you are trying to say is that on debian systems there is no such thing like "expired passwords" ? :) |
| 09:21.08 | D_F | bob2: mysql-server installs many other packages including mysql-client |
| 09:21.17 | bob2 | cool |
| 09:21.19 | Mardus | Skrylar: Well, I formulated it wrong: I wished to have pointers/links which would help. |
| 09:21.37 | Skrylar | Mardus: oh |
| 09:21.49 | Skrylar | Mardus: i thought you meant pointers as in the evil C things x_x |
| 09:21.54 | jethro | mufa: what we are trying to say, is that #debian volunteers may or may not choose to help morons using fc systems and asking for help on #debian. in my case, I wont help if the guy asking is being annoying, like you are |
| 09:21.54 | Space_NL | thnx jethro (i never know in debian what things might be really needed but have a name that asumes its useless :-) |
| 09:22.01 | jethro | Space_NL: you're welcome |
| 09:22.04 | Mardus | Skrylar: I don't know about these, I'm just a beginner. |
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| 09:22.57 | tra1a1a | mufa: we are trying to say that we don't provide support for anything non-debian |
| 09:22.59 | Skrylar | Mardus: if the editor has become fubar'ed i don't know if the data will still be accesible; What editor is this? |
| 09:23.09 | jethro | mufa: and if it's about an expired password, you probably want to use chage, and you also want to read about asking smart questions |
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| 09:23.24 | streuner | mufa: well, its also pretty unfair to didn't mention the time before, you are running actually fedora, because you are wasted peoples time |
| 09:23.26 | Mardus | Skrylar: gnotepad+ |
| 09:23.33 | Skrylar | Mardus: hmmm |
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| 09:23.41 | paulswm | jethro: I read your remark including "you keep on asking for problems occuring on your shitty fc system", you are inspired today :) |
| 09:23.53 | paulswm | !jethro++ |
| 09:23.57 | Skrylar | Mardus: you're on your own on that one... if it were Vim i would say you could check the .swp file |
| 09:24.00 | jethro | paulswm: I m quitting pot, it makes me nervous :) |
| 09:24.05 | tra1a1a | mufa: and finally if you don't stop trolling us you'll get banned sooner or later |
| 09:24.09 | Skrylar | Mardus: you should check to see if gnotepad is set up to save file backups |
| 09:24.12 | mufa | streuner: I run both debian and fedora... |
| 09:24.32 | tra1a1a | yeah, right |
| 09:24.33 | jethro | mufa: *chage* *chage* *chage* |
| 09:24.36 | mufa | now, please tell me how I could not to be a moron |
| 09:24.41 | skaught | mufa: Try a ls -al in the directory in which you were editing the file |
| 09:24.47 | Mardus | Skrylar: It is set up to save file backups, AFAIK, but the file was unsaved. That's why I came here. |
| 09:24.53 | mufa | jethro: thank you for chage command |
| 09:24.54 | jethro | mufa: read what I said, and leave, that will make you not being a moron in #debian at least |
| 09:25.00 | Skrylar | Mardus: oh... |
| 09:25.09 | jethro | mufa: also ask dpkg about smart questions |
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| 09:25.19 | Aronofsky | little question , I just installed freeglut and freeglut-devel , but when i try to compile with the command 'gcc -lGL -lGLU -lGLUT -o lesson2 lesson2.c' i got the msg '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLUT' , any idea ? |
| 09:25.21 | concept10 | Why do you guys have negative thoughts of other distros? |
| 09:25.23 | jethro | mufa: this way people will figure out your problems more efficiently |
| 09:25.29 | liable | !annoy mufa |
| 09:25.43 | jethro | concept10: we have negative thoughts about people asking for support here, nothing against other distros |
| 09:25.55 | tra1a1a | concept10: why would you think that? |
| 09:25.56 | icyfire0573 | Mardus, most programs crash and close, this one seems to have just froze, is it possible it got send a stop signal a-la ^Z and just needs to be resumed? |
| 09:25.57 | pngwn | concept10, they are off topic in here |
| 09:26.23 | streuner | concept10: and those people wasting our time |
| 09:26.33 | jethro | concept10: asking for support on fedora in #debian is not compliant to the channel guidelines. as a regular, I don't like people abusing the guidelines, and I tell them |
| 09:26.37 | bbrazil | Aronofsky: I don't think you need the -lGLUT, -lGLU should do it IIRC |
| 09:26.42 | Mardus | icyfire0573: I haven't given it a stop signal. I scrolled text upwards and then it froze. |
| 09:26.51 | Space_NL | can i disable "lpd" if i dont have a printer connecter, or does it have a different purpose too ? |
| 09:27.01 | mufa | anyway, thank you for helping me, and I am really sorry for being an offtopic moron and annoying you. I will try not to be in the future |
| 09:27.05 | jethro | Space_NL: yes you can |
| 09:27.13 | jethro | mufa: thanks a lot. I hope you achieve that |
| 09:27.17 | concept10 | point him to #fedora and move on is what I say |
| 09:27.19 | skaught | mufa: Did you read my comment above? Regarding checking the directory for hidden files? |
| 09:27.19 | Skrylar | Mardus: Hm, sounds like you might could try to send it a continue signal |
| 09:27.20 | Space_NL | thnx jethro once again |
| 09:27.30 | mufa | skaught, I read |
| 09:27.38 | streuner | concept10: what distro do you actually running? |
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| 09:27.47 | Mardus | mufa: That you get ash thrown on yourself in here (sometimes with justice), doesn't mean you should throw ash on yourself. |
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| 09:28.08 | Skrylar | Mardus: either it blew up or you accidentally locked it (i've accidentally stopped apps before somehow) |
| 09:28.14 | concept10 | debian,ubuntu,fc3 |
| 09:28.32 | mufa | Mardus, I don't understand what u mean |
| 09:28.39 | jethro | !u |
| 09:28.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 09:28.48 | Mardus | Skrylar: How to send a continue signal? If ½^Z refers to such a keystroke, then I don't remember giving it. |
| 09:28.59 | silverton | !kewl |
| 09:29.00 | dpkg | hmm... kewl is not cool. kewl is what people who are not cool think is cool. |
| 09:29.02 | tra1a1a | mufa: what dpkg says, it says it for you |
| 09:29.04 | silverton | haha :D |
| 09:29.17 | Mardus | mufa: What I meant is that you don't have to call yourself stupid if others call you stupid. |
| 09:29.31 | silverton | is there a list somewhere, of all dkpg's triggers? |
| 09:29.31 | Skrylar | Mardus: I can't help you there.. the only way i've ever sent signals is when i run the app in Konsole |
| 09:29.43 | jethro | silverton: /msg dpkg help |
| 09:29.53 | bob2 | silverton: it has thousands of factoids and commands |
| 09:29.53 | silverton | jethro, thanks |
| 09:30.12 | Skrylar | but does it do fortune cookies? |
| 09:30.18 | jethro | silverton: otoh, I wonder if dpkg would list the 25k+ factoids at once |
| 09:30.20 | concept10 | streuner: why do you ask? |
| 09:30.21 | Mardus | Skrylar: gnotepad+ is a gtk or gtk+ based x app. |
| 09:30.26 | mufa | Mardus: well, when many people says you are drunk, you go to sleep :) |
| 09:30.27 | erps | cause OMG I wouldn't want an OS that doesn't do fortune cookies |
| 09:30.33 | jethro | silverton: actually I doubt it |
| 09:30.47 | Space_NL | man, using debian as off 99, i still feel n00b, but: where is nethack-common for ? |
| 09:30.52 | Skrylar | erps: lol... that OS would be my Gentoo setup on my desktop :'( |
| 09:30.53 | streuner | concept10: interested in |
| 09:31.10 | erps | skaught, OMG UR L33T :p Ok, enough of that from me. |
| 09:31.11 | liable | silverton: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 09:31.13 | jethro | Space_NL: what the hell are you trying to ask? |
| 09:31.26 | jethro | liable: that won't list available factoids |
| 09:31.27 | Mardus | mufa: But you don't believe just everyone when they claim you're stupid? |
| 09:31.36 | icyfire0573 | mardus, try sending sig cont to gnotepad, like this kill -s CONT processnumber, where processnumber is the process number of gnotepad |
| 09:31.44 | Space_NL | i am trying to ask why "nethack-common" is starting at boot, and if it needs to be there i guess |
| 09:31.45 | liable | no, it'll point you to a page that does |
| 09:31.46 | jethro | liable: hi btw |
| 09:31.52 | liable | jethro: morn |
| 09:32.00 | Skrylar | killall might work but it'd send it to every notepad |
| 09:32.00 | Space_NL | jethro: cleaning out the "bootup-closet" i guess. |
| 09:32.10 | jethro | ah nice liable I didn't know that |
| 09:32.11 | mufa | Mardus: if they have a good logical explanation, I might believe them |
| 09:32.29 | silverton | someone in here help me with apache? |
| 09:32.37 | silverton | er, can someone help me? |
| 09:32.44 | Skrylar | silverton: Whats yer problem? |
| 09:32.46 | jethro | silverton: /msg dpkg smart questions :) |
| 09:33.00 | jethro | silverton: never ask to ask, just state your problem with details |
| 09:33.01 | silverton | Skrylar, not really a problem, just don't know where to put the index.html file |
| 09:33.08 | bbrazil | Space_NL: it cleans up crashed games IIRC |
| 09:33.09 | silverton | jethro, sorry :) |
| 09:33.11 | Skrylar | silverton: uuh... lol... |
| 09:33.21 | silverton | /var/www/ doesn't work :-/ |
| 09:33.24 | jethro | silverton: index.html has its place in DocumentRoot |
| 09:33.35 | silverton | jethro, where is that? |
| 09:33.37 | Skrylar | silverton: i think it usually goes in /var/www/localhost/htdocs |
| 09:33.41 | Mardus | mufa: dpkg is a bot. Its calling you a moron is may or may not be believed. |
| 09:33.43 | jethro | silverton: check what you have in httpd.conf for the DocumentRoot, ususally /var/www on debian |
| 09:33.44 | Space_NL | bbrazil: hmm, not that i play games, but i guess it doesnt pull much proc/mem then anyways. |
| 09:33.47 | Space_NL | bbrazil: thnx |
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| 09:34.10 | erps | ok, tire,d braindead, bad jokes, must sleep |
| 09:34.11 | erps | bye |
| 09:34.24 | jethro | good night |
| 09:34.29 | Mardus | icyfire0573: I did kill -s CONT (process #), nothing happened really -- it stays the same. |
| 09:34.32 | silverton | all five lines in httpd.conf are commented jethro |
| 09:34.40 | tra1a1a | !tell silverton doesn't work |
| 09:34.43 | jethro | silverton: which five lines? |
| 09:34.48 | mufa | Mardus: I think jethro also called me a moron and he doens't seem to be a bot :) |
| 09:34.50 | jethro | silverton: you only have 5 lines in httpd.conf? |
| 09:34.50 | Guerin | sounds like apache2 |
| 09:34.53 | icyfire0573 | Mardus, then it isn't frozen, its crashed, that was just a test |
| 09:34.54 | tra1a1a | !tell silverton about doesn't work |
| 09:34.57 | silverton | jethro, yes |
| 09:34.58 | jethro | mufa: you deserved it, now move on |
| 09:35.06 | icyfire0573 | you could always try to cat the memroy of the program from /proc |
| 09:35.16 | silverton | tra1a1a, never said it didn't work :P |
| 09:35.17 | jethro | silverton: is that apache2 ? |
| 09:35.17 | Mardus | icyfire0573: So, it's crashed, but not frozen. |
| 09:35.20 | Guerin | apache2 has the 'mongolian hordes of config files' thang going on |
| 09:35.21 | silverton | jethro, yes |
| 09:35.26 | icyfire0573 | Mardus, yes |
| 09:35.29 | tra1a1a | <silverton> /var/www/ doesn't work :-/ |
| 09:35.41 | silverton | tra1a1a, technicality!! |
| 09:35.50 | liable | silverton: try 'dpkg-reconfigure apache' and make sure the root dir is /var/www |
| 09:35.55 | jethro | silverton: I m not familiar with apache2, look for a conf.d directory there may be configuration files there |
| 09:36.10 | Guerin | liable: try to keep up, sunshine |
| 09:36.18 | Skrylar | sorry to sound stupid but is manually sigstop'ing idle apps worth it |
| 09:36.26 | concept10 | anyone here do computer support for a living? not development |
| 09:36.27 | liable | Guerin: heh, yes watching telly too :) |
| 09:36.38 | tra1a1a | silverton: being more specific gives you better answers |
| 09:37.01 | bbrazil | Space_NL: its only at bootup, its not a daemon |
| 09:37.03 | jethro | tra1a1a: that's why I pointed him to the smart questions factoid, which I hoe he read |
| 09:37.06 | silverton | liable, nothing ran when I typed that command as root |
| 09:37.09 | jethro | s/hoe/hope/ |
| 09:37.13 | Space_NL | bbrazil: okies, thnx! |
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| 09:37.17 | silverton | jethro, there is just a doc file in /et/apache2/conf.d/ |
| 09:37.23 | silverton | */etc |
| 09:37.28 | jethro | silverton: dpkg-reconfigure apache2 would be more efficient fore your care |
| 09:37.31 | bbrazil | Space_NL: also, play nethack |
| 09:37.31 | jethro | s/fore/for/ |
| 09:37.32 | Mardus | mufa: So what. If ppl called me a moron over a chat like this here, I wouldn't take it so seriously and begin calling myself a moron. I wanted to point out that it's a self esteem thing. |
| 09:37.41 | tra1a1a | jethro: I saw that but I also say the later questions that made me doubt he read it |
| 09:37.43 | silverton | jethro, that is what I typed |
| 09:37.46 | jethro | Mardus: mufa would you mind taking this elsewhere? |
| 09:37.56 | liable | silverton: what does dpkg -l apache say? is it installed properly? |
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| 09:38.02 | mufa | jethro: who started it ? :) |
| 09:38.47 | jethro | mufa: you. now please, you've already been an ass asking for support on fc in #debian, don't go on being an ass argueing about why people call you a moron |
| 09:38.53 | liable | mufa: c'mon dude, this will only get nasty if you keep up. |
| 09:38.53 | tra1a1a | mufa: we are not gathering here to have general conversations. You are disturbing the people who are trying to get actual help |
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| 09:39.41 | silverton | liable, http://pastebin.com/288955 |
| 09:40.19 | paulswm | !qotd51 |
| 09:40.19 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
| 09:40.32 | paulswm | Just my $0.02 |
| 09:40.56 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 09:40.57 | Skrylar | word of wisedom from experience: trying to put sense in a flamewar is impossible |
| 09:41.00 | Phated | streuner: Oi! |
| 09:41.01 | Mardus | Hi Phated. |
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| 09:41.15 | streuner | haha |
| 09:41.16 | jethro | !paulswm++ |
| 09:41.26 | Skrylar | grrr stupid CD isn't working |
| 09:41.34 | jethro | stupid cd will remain stupid |
| 09:41.38 | Skrylar | lol |
| 09:41.42 | jethro | :) |
| 09:41.45 | Guerin | he asked for fedora support on debian, and now he's getting pissy? |
| 09:41.48 | paulswm | Heh. |
| 09:41.51 | jethro | Guerin: indeed |
| 09:41.52 | Skrylar | i think this jiggo thing is busted.. at least for me |
| 09:41.56 | Skrylar | or something |
| 09:42.05 | Skrylar | the MD5SUM of the ISO says its fine |
| 09:42.08 | liable | silverton: is it running? |
| 09:42.09 | Skrylar | but every burn is bad |
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| 09:42.21 | streuner | Guerin: well, he is going to manage that the whole channel is pissed off about him :-) |
| 09:42.29 | tra1a1a | Skrylar: hw problem? |
| 09:42.30 | Guerin | streuner: heh |
| 09:42.35 | Guerin | pwn3d by #debian |
| 09:42.40 | liable | haha |
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| 09:42.48 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 09:42.51 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: in the burner or the reciever |
| 09:42.52 | silverton | liable, Starting web server: Apache2httpd (pid 28416) already running |
| 09:42.55 | jethro | mufa: did the chage command help btw? |
| 09:43.03 | Guerin | silverton: use restart |
| 09:43.13 | umbop | hmm is there a way for me to bring an interface down and up, bearing in mind it will drop my connection. i.e. ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 or something? |
| 09:43.24 | mufa | jethro: It seems I am wrong thinking in terms such as linux comunity. It is obiously that I have to think in terms like "debian comunity" "fc comunity" and so on. |
| 09:43.27 | jethro | umbop: precisely |
| 09:43.30 | tra1a1a | Skrylar: whay do you mean by "reciever"? the reader? |
| 09:43.31 | silverton | Guerin, okay |
| 09:43.33 | umbop | good needed to check |
| 09:43.36 | mufa | jethro: it helped to remove a hidden file from /etc |
| 09:43.40 | jethro | mufa: that's exactly the case, there is no such thing a linux communities |
| 09:43.46 | jethro | community even |
| 09:43.47 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: Burner=CD Burner Reciever=Laptop getting debian |
| 09:43.53 | jethro | but communities are for sure |
| 09:43.54 | Space_NL | umbop: indeed you can, and mostly its fast enough for stuff like mirc to just keep running without noticing. |
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| 09:44.01 | bbrazil | umbop: that'll work, best to do it in a screen to be fully safe |
| 09:44.08 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: it boots and loads setup but then fails to 'load files from cd' |
| 09:44.14 | liable | mirc? |
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| 09:44.32 | streuner | mufa: ##linux exist for a reason, #debian exist for a reason, #gentoo exist for a reason |
| 09:44.44 | holycow | hola streuner |
| 09:44.49 | tra1a1a | Skrylar: did you try it with another pc? |
| 09:44.56 | streuner | mufa: Do you think all this people are stupid? |
| 09:45.02 | Skrylar | i only have my desktop and laptop |
| 09:45.09 | Guerin | mufa: well, the differences between debian and fedora are pretty big. We can't speak with any authority on fedora, and they can't on debian. It's mostly just an issue of not being wrong. |
| 09:45.14 | streuner | holycow: moo! |
| 09:45.18 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: so no... i think its the media |
| 09:45.25 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: since the ISO comes back fine |
| 09:45.40 | mufa | streuner: I don't think anyone is stupid. |
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| 09:45.55 | jethro | mufa: you're wrong, there are stupid people |
| 09:46.03 | holycow | SlayerXP, rofl |
| 09:46.05 | Skrylar | To quote a friend "Anyone who thinks fedora should be used needs to be beaten, flogged, tarred, feathered, removed from their position..." |
| 09:46.11 | SlayerXP | mufa: on average, 50% of people are of subnormal intelligence |
| 09:46.16 | liable | stupid is as stupid does :) |
| 09:46.22 | tra1a1a | Skrylar: since the md5 is fine it is either the burner, the reader (on the laptop) or the media. trying different combinations of these three elements will help you to locate the problem |
| 09:46.35 | icyfire0573 | SlayerXP, 99% of the people have more than the average number of legs! |
| 09:46.42 | mufa | for my point of view anyone is not stupid untill he/she proves otherwise |
| 09:46.54 | liable | icyfire0573: ?? |
| 09:46.55 | jethro | hah |
| 09:46.58 | Guerin | mufa: that tends to happen with remarkable swiftness in #debian |
| 09:47.18 | LinuxUser | hi all, i have a problem, if i want to update apache he stops at "Setting up apache (1.3.26-0woody5) ..." (debian woody) |
| 09:47.21 | MobyTurbo | mufa: you've proved otherwise |
| 09:47.25 | LinuxUser | can anyone help me pls? |
| 09:47.31 | tra1a1a | mufa: you are trying very hard to prove otherwise |
| 09:47.38 | icyfire0573 | liable, averages being what they will be i decided to throw a random quote out there |
| 09:47.45 | Guerin | LinuxUser: what happens after that? |
| 09:47.49 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: apparently the MD5 on the cd itself is failing |
| 09:47.50 | liable | oh |
| 09:47.55 | LinuxUser | nothing, he stops |
| 09:48.05 | holycow | i see #debian is as ragingly ruthless as ever :) |
| 09:48.07 | LinuxUser | i only can press crtl + c |
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| 09:48.34 | Guerin | LinuxUser: run strace on it and see where it stops |
| 09:48.56 | MobyTurbo | holycow: there's nothing ruthless about not supporting Fedora in #debian |
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| 09:49.15 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: i think my CDs are bad |
| 09:49.30 | LinuxUser | wait4(10126, Setting up apache (1.3.26-0.dotdeb.1) ... |
| 09:49.31 | LinuxUser | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.31 | tra1a1a | Skrylar: this leaves you with the same three options - the reader, the writer, the media |
| 09:49.41 | mufa | MobyTurbo: please, let's stop this. I have just asked a user/expired passwd that occured on a fc system. What's stupid in that ? |
| 09:49.46 | paulswm | holycow: some people just beg for it though :) |
| 09:49.46 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: ISO md5 test from ftp site reports ok, sum on itself reports ok, but the cd on the laptop reports failed |
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| 09:50.00 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: I'll run the ISO test again on my desktop |
| 09:50.06 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: from the cd |
| 09:50.17 | paulswm | mufa: asking in #debian |
| 09:50.39 | MobyTurbo | mufa: what makes you think that #debian is a generic Linux help channel? |
| 09:50.51 | jethro | mufa: you're still at it? man, you need to know when to stop |
| 09:51.06 | liable | mufa: please stop and retreat, for your own good :) this will get you no where, and possibly ignored by some people who could help you in future |
| 09:51.08 | MobyTurbo | mufa: there is such a channel, it's called ##linux, where they are willing to put up with FC suckage |
| 09:51.09 | holycow | .... damn, i forgot to bring popcorn |
| 09:51.11 | Mardus | Reference to LinuxUser: Is it a he or a she? |
| 09:51.32 | tra1a1a | mufa: try #linuxhelp as well |
| 09:51.38 | jethro | Phated: :) |
| 09:51.43 | Phated | Mardus: There can't possibly be she LinuxUsers. |
| 09:51.51 | streuner | !hwinfosmite holycow |
| 09:51.51 | dpkg | Scanning holycow ... No meaningful response. Please ensure brain is connected, or return to supplier for replacement. |
| 09:52.00 | MobyTurbo | mufa: try "/part #debian" as well |
| 09:52.03 | LinuxUser | i'm a he :P |
| 09:52.05 | holycow | rofl |
| 09:52.24 | Phated | Exactly my point. |
| 09:52.34 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: ok this is screwy |
| 09:52.41 | streuner | holycow: you are welcome, just sit and enjoy you visit ;-) |
| 09:52.43 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: its the recieving computer |
| 09:52.43 | mufa | well, the only reason I asked here is because almost everytime when I had a problem I find a solution in here. |
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| 09:52.59 | MobyTurbo | !they don't know |
| 09:53.00 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 09:53.02 | jethro | mufa: /msg dpkg they don't know |
| 09:53.13 | liable | flattery will get you no where |
| 09:53.19 | Mardus | Phated: LOL. LinuxUser referred to his/her machine as 'he'. Maybe just a similar issue of John Crichton calling his sidearm Winona. |
| 09:53.20 | tra1a1a | Skrylar: so the cd reader needs to be replaced. that's bad news for a laptop, sorry. |
| 09:53.36 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: I think its the drivers debian's trying to use |
| 09:53.46 | Phated | Mardus: I call my machine she. What does that have to do with anything? |
| 09:53.50 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: the cd-rom works perfectly fine on windows |
| 09:54.16 | tra1a1a | Skrylar: didn't you say that the md5 sum fails on the laptop? |
| 09:54.17 | Guerin | goddamn |
| 09:54.30 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: yea |
| 09:54.33 | Guerin | where are the cluebatteries? |
| 09:54.42 | Mardus | Phated: Well, it was a moot question that I posed, just that I see computers are more inanimate things. Though I do remember when I was a teen, I hugged a 286 that I hadn't seen in a very long time :) |
| 09:54.44 | Ronin | Guerin: still charging |
| 09:54.45 | Phated | I can offer cluebullets! |
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| 09:54.47 | jethro | Guerin: reloading |
| 09:54.51 | tra1a1a | Skrylar: does it fail on the desktop as well? |
| 09:54.56 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: no, it succeeds |
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| 09:55.30 | Skrylar | tra1a1a: it isn't tripping any massive kernel errors like my cd-roms have done in the past when discs were fubar though |
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| 09:55.44 | possie | what is a easy tool to rip audio to mp3 format? |
| 09:55.52 | streuner | grip |
| 09:55.54 | icyfire0573 | grip |
| 09:56.01 | Skrylar | eww mp3 |
| 09:56.17 | Mardus | Skryar: But Ogg has that odd fish symbol. |
| 09:56.20 | tra1a1a | Skrylar: so either the laptop cd reader has a problem with that particular media (try another brand) or it's fscked |
| 09:56.23 | Skrylar | Mardus: lol |
| 09:56.50 | jethro | how does one take video captures in X? similar to import -root foo.jpg, but I d like a movie, not a screenshot |
| 09:57.14 | streuner | xine |
| 09:57.20 | jethro | I don't want a player |
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| 09:57.37 | streuner | hm |
| 09:57.41 | tra1a1a | is xine able to record movies of your desktop? |
| 09:57.41 | anhi | i think he wants to record everything happening in X |
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| 09:57.52 | jethro | anhi: exactly |
| 09:58.01 | liable | sony handicam? :) |
| 09:58.01 | Skrylar | xvidcap might be what you want |
| 09:58.01 | streuner | oh |
| 09:58.16 | Skrylar | but thats a screen capping prog |
| 09:58.18 | jethro | Skrylar: thank you I ll look into that |
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| 09:58.24 | Skrylar | that makes videos from your desktop activity |
| 09:58.31 | streuner | !find xvidcap |
| 09:58.33 | jethro | Skrylar: that's what I want |
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| 09:58.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xvidcap' (1): (/usr/share/doc/appunti-informatica-libera/html/figure_ldr_xvidcap.jpg) in doc/appunti-informatica-libera. |
| 09:58.40 | qwertz_ | Hi! Does anybody know how to unsubscribe all newsgroups in slrn? (Got subscribed to all newsgroups my nntp server provides) |
| 09:58.43 | mysurfguide | is it free struener? |
| 09:59.01 | Skrylar | jethro: =D the only drawback is i haven't been able to get it to build with sound support.. but it's been done |
| 09:59.02 | streuner | no idea |
| 09:59.05 | mysurfguide | lol |
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| 09:59.28 | jethro | Skrylar: is there any debian package for it? or do I have to usrlocal? |
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| 09:59.34 | mysurfguide | couldnt find xvidcap |
| 09:59.41 | Guerin | !tell jethro about checkinstall |
| 09:59.45 | streuner | its not in debian |
| 09:59.47 | mysurfguide | im looking for something similair to my FAQ's |
| 09:59.48 | Skrylar | jethro: nafc (not a freaking clue)... |
| 09:59.49 | jethro | Guerin: I don't like checkinstall |
| 09:59.53 | Guerin | why not? |
| 09:59.57 | Guerin | i mean |
| 10:00.07 | Guerin | i've had it break some stuff, but overall it's pretty good |
| 10:00.08 | mysurfguide | so that it can record desktop activity and save as a video, such as captivate |
| 10:00.09 | jethro | it fits a need, I just don't like it |
| 10:00.13 | Skrylar | jethro: today is the first day i've used debian... and its got as much of a pain install process as my previous experiences X_X |
| 10:00.27 | jethro | Guerin: I ve had a bad starter with it :) |
| 10:00.28 | mufa | jethro: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=81535&package_id=83441 |
| 10:00.44 | Skrylar | jethro: (no distro i ever use installs like it should.. except mandrake.. which had a virus on it) |
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| 10:01.06 | jethro | mufa: thank you |
| 10:01.23 | jethro | nice they have .debs |
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| 10:01.43 | jethro | Skrylar: mandrake had a virus ? |
| 10:01.54 | Guerin | Skrylar: you lie! |
| 10:01.57 | man_in_shack | how do i set up my keyboard to use the alt combo characters, like the euro symbo? |
| 10:02.00 | jethro | Skrylar: or xvidcap in mandrake had a virus? and what sort of virus was this? |
| 10:02.00 | tra1a1a | Skrylar: btw what debian are you trying to install? |
| 10:02.00 | man_in_shack | *symbol |
| 10:02.05 | liable | got it from a warez site :) |
| 10:02.06 | Guerin | !extended chars |
| 10:02.06 | dpkg | [extended chars] to enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñ, or the complete list of combinations is in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/*/Compose, where * depends on your locale (iso8859-1 is default), or similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command |
| 10:02.14 | Skrylar | jethro: this was a virus on the CD for mandrake.. nothing to do with xvidcap |
| 10:02.29 | Skrylar | Guerin: there seriously was a windows virus on the cd.. lol |
| 10:02.34 | jethro | Skrylar: w<here the fuck did you get this cd? some cheap linux related magasine? |
| 10:02.35 | man_in_shack | dpkg is not utf-8 8| |
| 10:02.37 | Guerin | Skrylar: oh, a windows virus. |
| 10:02.45 | Skrylar | jethro: mandrake.com |
| 10:02.49 | jethro | HAHAHAHAH |
| 10:02.51 | mysurfguide | mandrake virii wtf? |
| 10:02.52 | mysurfguide | lol |
| 10:02.57 | jethro | Skrylar: you must be kidding me |
| 10:02.58 | Skrylar | was from their own site.. rofl |
| 10:03.08 | Guerin | man_in_shack: there are some utf8 characters in there, and some 8991-* characters too |
| 10:03.18 | MobyTurbo | I've tried a lot of distrbiutions, and only really hated one, Mandrake. |
| 10:03.22 | man_in_shack | ah i see |
| 10:03.25 | Ronin | Skrylar: guess you burned a virus off your computer? good thing you went to linux |
| 10:03.30 | Guerin | Skrylar: is this documented anywhere other than your mind? |
| 10:03.41 | tra1a1a | man_in_shack: dpkg is a bot |
| 10:03.46 | Skrylar | installer snafu'd again |
| 10:03.48 | man_in_shack | tra1a1a, i know that |
| 10:03.48 | Skrylar | does not like the 2.6 kernel |
| 10:03.49 | jethro | Guerin: not in a place I can find easily. nothing yet |
| 10:04.00 | Guerin | nor me |
| 10:04.13 | tra1a1a | man_in_shack: ah, I thought you were addressing it |
| 10:04.21 | Skrylar | Guerin: the main cd with the virus got thrown out |
| 10:04.30 | Skrylar | Guerin: otherwise i'd be happy to send you an iso |
| 10:04.32 | jethro | Skrylar: there is nothing in the news |
| 10:04.43 | Skrylar | jethro: they were real quiet about it |
| 10:04.44 | LinuxUser | i need the 2.6.x Kernel because of the driver for my Networkcard |
| 10:04.57 | Guerin | Skrylar: but it must have been published someplace. At least on /. |
| 10:04.57 | Skrylar | jethro: i guess its bad PR to tell everyone Hey you downloaded a virus! |
| 10:05.01 | jethro | I ll ask some mandriva friend of mine |
| 10:05.04 | liable | *cough* bullshit *cough* :) |
| 10:05.11 | jethro | Ronin: so do I |
| 10:05.13 | Skrylar | lol believe what you want |
| 10:05.14 | man_in_shack | Guerin, that didn't work |
| 10:05.18 | Guerin | i think liable might be unwrong |
| 10:05.18 | Skrylar | but we confirmed it with two computers |
| 10:05.20 | man_in_shack | trying loadkeys |
| 10:05.21 | Guerin | !didn't work |
| 10:05.21 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 10:05.25 | Skrylar | unrelated from each other |
| 10:05.30 | MobyTurbo | Skrylar: are you sure your nick isn't spelled Skrliear |
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| 10:06.03 | Skrylar | MobyTurbo: no but it will be spelled GonnaKillSomebody if this debian doesn't start working |
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| 10:07.08 | jethro | Skrylar: 2 computeers, and 2 different Cds burnt on different places? |
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| 10:07.19 | MobyTurbo | Skrylar: netinst RC3, which is what's recommended, works fine here. You'll need to give us more information. |
| 10:07.26 | mortalman | diff between xvncviewer and xvnc4viewer packages? |
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| 10:07.38 | man_in_shack | loadkeys doesn't like "Multi_key" |
| 10:07.49 | Skrylar | jethro: burned three times, two at my comp one at the other comp |
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| 10:07.52 | tra1a1a | !tell Skrylar about doesn't work |
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| 10:08.15 | Skrylar | MobyTurbo: the cd is acting like crap under the debian installer |
| 10:08.21 | Guerin | Skrylar: did you md5 the burnt cd against the official numbers from mandy? |
| 10:08.22 | tra1a1a | moreal: apt-cache show |
| 10:08.28 | tra1a1a | mortalman: apt-cache show |
| 10:08.29 | Skrylar | MobyTurbo: it's failing MD5 sums on the cd itself |
| 10:08.48 | Guerin | Skrylar: i had this, actually, with a whitebox cdrom drive |
| 10:08.48 | man_in_shack | xev is reporting Multi_key correctly but it's not doing anything |
| 10:08.55 | Rakeleer | On apt-get instal slapd I get this: "Setuid script not plain file" a bunch. Any ideas? |
| 10:08.58 | Yparcos | hello |
| 10:08.59 | MobyTurbo | Skrylar: then maybe your media or the iso is corrupted. If so, all bets are off. |
| 10:09.04 | Skrylar | Guerin: yea, i checked the MD5 on the jiggo generated iso |
| 10:09.05 | mortalman | tralala: Did, the onw without the 4 has tunneling option, but other than that... I mean, which is newer? |
| 10:09.09 | Guerin | Skrylar: i think it was a combination of a hit cdrom and a shit ide controller which did it in |
| 10:09.36 | Yparcos | i'm trying to make debian package. but when i use debuild i have an error message |
| 10:09.36 | possie | streuner: but does grip do mp3? i need to send a mp3 to a vriend who doesn't know a lot about computers, so i want to keep it easy for him |
| 10:09.37 | Yparcos | dpkg-deb: conffile `/etc/myfile' does not appear in package |
| 10:09.44 | Yparcos | but .../mypackage/etc/myfile is present |
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| 10:10.04 | tra1a1a | mortalman: the one with the higher version number? |
| 10:10.14 | Guerin | possie: you'll need an mp3 encoder |
| 10:10.17 | Guerin | !lame |
| 10:10.17 | dpkg | from memory, lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 10:10.35 | jethro | Yparcos: read the NM guide |
| 10:10.35 | man_in_shack | :S |
| 10:11.00 | tra1a1a | Yparcos: usually you need fakeroot involved in the process |
| 10:11.11 | Yparcos | jethro, i already watch http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 10:11.20 | jethro | don't watch it, read it :) |
| 10:11.20 | possie | Guerin: can lame also read from audio cd? |
| 10:11.32 | streuner | no |
| 10:11.32 | Yparcos | i'll verify is fakeroot is used |
| 10:11.36 | Skrylar | possie: you may want cddparanoia |
| 10:11.39 | tra1a1a | possie: try ripperx |
| 10:11.41 | Skrylar | possie: that rips to wav files |
| 10:11.42 | man_in_shack | has sarge been released? |
| 10:11.49 | Guerin | no, lame only encodes wave to mp3. grip can use it to turn your ripped cd files into mp3s if it's installed. |
| 10:11.57 | Guerin | !topicbadger man_in_shack |
| 10:11.57 | liable | man_in_shack: /topic |
| 10:11.58 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that man_in_shack didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 10:12.00 | Skrylar | man_in_shack: the channel topic says Sarge Not Out |
| 10:12.01 | Yparcos | jethro, i searched in it but i didn't found answer |
| 10:12.18 | man_in_shack | sorry |
| 10:12.20 | Guerin | grip uses cdparanoia as a backend |
| 10:12.30 | jethro | Yparcos: cri74 you work for my previous uni :) |
| 10:12.49 | man_in_shack | it's just the "SARGE HAS FROZEN" is a little confusing |
| 10:13.11 | jethro | man_in_shack: freeze != release |
| 10:13.18 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 10:13.19 | Guerin | man_in_shack: /msg dpkg frozen |
| 10:13.25 | Phated | What's confusing about it? "SARGE HAS FROZEN" != "SARGE HAS RELEASED", that's -quite- simple. |
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| 10:13.35 | man_in_shack | lay off |
| 10:13.40 | jethro | Phated: only when you know that freeze and release are different things :) |
| 10:13.58 | man_in_shack | right now i just want to get this keyboard reconfigured |
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| 10:14.13 | streuner | !keymap |
| 10:14.13 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 10:14.17 | LinuxUser | is there a command to reset all packages in woody to default ? |
| 10:14.26 | Phated | jethro: The rest of the topic also mentions "sarge not out." <shrug> Make of it what you will. |
| 10:14.29 | Guerin | man_in_shack: what didn't work about the above? That worked fine for me, except that my file was in a slightly different place |
| 10:14.31 | jethro | LinuxUser: what do you want to do? |
| 10:14.44 | Guerin | LinuxUser: yeah, they call it 'reinstall' |
| 10:14.50 | LinuxUser | i installed some updates to apache and so on |
| 10:14.52 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 10:15.01 | jethro | Phated: taht's what guerin pointed out right before we told man_in_shack about freeze being different from release |
| 10:15.18 | man_in_shack | compose key :S |
| 10:15.30 | LinuxUser | but now i can't install anything else, because apache made a mistake by last updating :( |
| 10:15.40 | jethro | Phated: err that was Skylar actually |
| 10:15.42 | man_in_shack | Guerin, can i do euro with "compose key"? |
| 10:15.44 | Guerin | LinuxUser: apt-get remove --purge apache |
| 10:15.54 | Guerin | man_in_shack: € ? |
| 10:15.57 | tra1a1a | LinuxUser: apt-get -f install |
| 10:16.00 | man_in_shack | yes |
| 10:16.03 | Guerin | yes |
| 10:16.05 | man_in_shack | how? |
| 10:16.15 | Guerin | compose = C |
| 10:16.19 | LinuxUser | apt-get -f install does the same as apt-get update :P |
| 10:16.20 | Guerin | one after another |
| 10:16.24 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 10:16.31 | Guerin | LinuxUser: no, it most certainly does not |
| 10:16.33 | LinuxUser | ok, purge helped for the first :D |
| 10:16.35 | tra1a1a | LinuxUser: no, it doesn't |
| 10:16.44 | man_in_shack | i thought there was a mod+5 == € |
| 10:16.52 | LinuxUser | *did |
| 10:17.04 | LinuxUser | he stopped by the same point by me |
| 10:17.20 | Guerin | LinuxUser: you probably shouldn't install woody anyhow |
| 10:17.27 | tra1a1a | Guerin: compose? |
| 10:17.38 | LinuxUser | it's a virtual Server :P |
| 10:17.50 | Yparcos | jethro, hu ? your previous what ? ... |
| 10:17.50 | Guerin | tra1a1a: /msg dpkg extended chars |
| 10:17.51 | LinuxUser | i can't really choose a other system :P |
| 10:18.00 | tra1a1a | LinuxUser: and you're the virtual administrator?! |
| 10:18.04 | Guerin | LinuxUser: ok. then upgrade to sarge. |
| 10:18.05 | Mardus | Anyways, thahks for all the great company. The weather today (Tallinn, Estonia) is too beautiful to miss by sitting in an aparatment. |
| 10:18.09 | jethro | Yparcos: I used to study at univ-savoie.fr |
| 10:18.14 | Guerin | !tra1a1a++ |
| 10:18.25 | Yparcos | jethro, ok |
| 10:18.27 | Guerin | man_in_shack: i hear that |
| 10:18.28 | jethro | Yparcos: and I think cri74 works with them |
| 10:18.30 | Guerin | gah |
| 10:18.35 | Guerin | Mardus: i hear that |
| 10:18.37 | Yparcos | tra1a1a, with fakeroot i have this message "dh_testroot: You must run this as root (or use fakeroot)." |
| 10:18.40 | LinuxUser | is it safe to upgrade from woody to sarge via apt-get ? |
| 10:18.52 | Guerin | LinuxUser: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 10:18.57 | jethro | Yparcos: dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot |
| 10:19.01 | man_in_shack | Guerin, so how do you get that set up? |
| 10:19.11 | jethro | s/r /r/ |
| 10:19.26 | jethro | Yparcos: there is no space after -r |
| 10:19.49 | Yparcos | jethro, yes yes |
| 10:19.53 | tra1a1a | Yparcos: read a bit |
| 10:19.57 | Guerin | man_in_shack: you did the euro, didn't you? |
| 10:20.12 | man_in_shack | ... |
| 10:20.15 | man_in_shack | that's not the point |
| 10:20.27 | man_in_shack | it's much easier to got mod+5 |
| 10:20.29 | Guerin | well, what ain't working? |
| 10:20.32 | Yparcos | jethro, i don't run dpkg-buildpackage but debuild |
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| 10:20.45 | Guerin | i know nothing about this 'mod+5' of which you speak |
| 10:20.52 | man_in_shack | bah |
| 10:21.17 | man_in_shack | Guerin, you know how some keyboards have 3 or 4 characters written on some keys instead of just 2? |
| 10:21.27 | jethro | Yparcos: not so different, just man debuild, /fakeroot |
| 10:21.38 | ^Duffy^ | hmm, can anyone tell me where the mysql header files are installed when installing the mysql package |
| 10:22.10 | Guerin | man_in_shack: yeah. |
| 10:22.11 | jethro | ^Duffy^: dpkg -L can tell you |
| 10:22.13 | icyfire0573 | ^Duffy^, somewheres in /usr/includes perhaps |
| 10:22.26 | jethro | ^Duffy^: dpkg -L <package name> lists provided files |
| 10:22.26 | man_in_shack | Guerin, well you hit a mod key to get get to the extra chars |
| 10:22.31 | Guerin | ^Duffy^: they're not. you need mysql -dev packages. apt-cache search mysql dev |
| 10:22.35 | man_in_shack | Guerin, that's what i want to get set up |
| 10:22.41 | Guerin | man_in_shack: oh, i know how mod keys work |
| 10:22.55 | Guerin | man_in_shack: I just don't know how to do what you want |
| 10:22.59 | man_in_shack | ok |
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| 10:23.14 | Yparcos | jethro, so i try "debuild -rfakeroot" |
| 10:23.18 | man_in_shack | bah |
| 10:23.22 | jethro | Yparcos: yes |
| 10:23.26 | tra1a1a | Yparcos: so you try man debuild |
| 10:23.32 | jethro | tra1a1a: :) |
| 10:23.45 | Yparcos | jethro, but with -rfakeroot or without it is same |
| 10:24.03 | man_in_shack | ooh i could use some of those |
| 10:24.04 | jethro | Yparcos: ok, there's a pebcak preventing the work from being done |
| 10:24.11 | Guerin | these ones don't work |
| 10:24.31 | Yparcos | jethro, and so ? |
| 10:24.38 | tra1a1a | I guess it's the most obvious things that should be most oftenly explained... |
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| 10:26.14 | LinuxUser | not enough disk space to download all the packages :( |
| 10:26.23 | jethro | Yparcos: so you can pay me to do the job if you want, and get rid of the pebcak |
| 10:26.24 | Guerin | LinuxUser: get a better virtualhost |
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| 10:27.09 | Yparcos | jethro, :) |
| 10:27.22 | jethro | :) |
| 10:27.50 | LinuxUser | i can't nfs to another server |
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| 10:28.06 | LinuxUser | because i have no other servers there :P |
| 10:28.23 | tra1a1a | LinuxUser: I'm affraid you're getting way to virtual for us to be able to help you |
| 10:28.24 | jethro | use gmailfs then |
| 10:28.40 | tra1a1a | s/to/too |
| 10:28.44 | Guerin | LinuxUser: how big is this virtual server? |
| 10:28.55 | LinuxUser | 1 gb harddisk |
| 10:28.59 | Guerin | it must either be utterly minute, or have too much porn on it |
| 10:29.01 | Guerin | wtf |
| 10:29.10 | Guerin | delete some shit |
| 10:29.17 | Phated | Good LORD, even more minute than my previous box. |
| 10:29.23 | LinuxUser | there is only woody on it |
| 10:29.32 | jethro | bigger than my uml |
| 10:29.32 | liable | what about apt-get clean |
| 10:29.34 | Guerin | a base woody install is ~200MB, a fully-functional server is about 400 |
| 10:29.45 | Guerin | jethro: you poor bastard |
| 10:30.21 | LinuxUser | ok, i saw, that they installed xfree o_O |
| 10:30.47 | jethro | Guerin: mine fits in less than 400Mg |
| 10:30.49 | jethro | Mo even |
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| 10:30.56 | drac | xfree on woody? hrr. |
| 10:31.03 | jethro | Guerin: it being a public www dns and smtp |
| 10:31.08 | Guerin | jethro: yeah, mine could too, if I didn't use it for backups etc :) |
| 10:31.13 | jethro | :) |
| 10:31.18 | skaught | My Sid workstation (Emacs, SBCL, Firefox, XFree) is 500mb |
| 10:31.35 | jethro | skaught: 500Mb on a desktop ? |
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| 10:31.42 | icyfire0573 | What is SBCL ? |
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| 10:31.47 | jethro | !sbcl |
| 10:31.47 | dpkg | i guess sbcl is Steel Bank Common Lisp, http://sourceforge.net/projects/sbcl, based on cmucl, looks easier to build than cmucl |
| 10:32.06 | jethro | icyfire0573: if you don't know something ask dpkg ;) |
| 10:32.07 | Guerin | aargh, lisp |
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| 10:32.09 | tra1a1a | and mine is ~15Gb |
| 10:32.17 | Guerin | someone told me I should learn lisp as a first programming language |
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| 10:32.29 | jethro | yeah my desktop is closer to a few gigs than a few hundreds |
| 10:32.35 | skaught | Guerin: Hmm.. I think that's a less then wise idea :) |
| 10:32.44 | jethro | hundred megs even |
| 10:32.49 | Guerin | yeah, that's what I thought, too |
| 10:32.59 | darkness1 | Guerin i don't think so. |
| 10:33.03 | skaught | s/then/than |
| 10:33.12 | scar` | how can I tell my debian, that it should not block port 4500 udp ? |
| 10:33.13 | Guerin | they said it was a food idea on account of the fact that lisp teaches discipline |
| 10:33.15 | darkness1 | Guerin learn java or C. |
| 10:33.50 | jethro | scar`: man iptables ? |
| 10:33.52 | Guerin | darkness1: i'm not learning java; c looks too hard for my poor brain. I started on perl and sh |
| 10:33.53 | LinuxUser | wtf? they installed gnome on woody server O_o |
| 10:33.53 | skaught | Guerin: It's a good language for anyone to learn. Just maybe not first |
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| 10:33.56 | jethro | scar`: also see the IP filtering howto |
| 10:34.05 | tra1a1a | when I was learning prolog I have never imagined that I'm going to work with it one day... |
| 10:34.11 | scar` | jethro, where do I find that howto? |
| 10:34.30 | jethro | scar`: how bout you bisit http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com ? |
| 10:34.33 | Guerin | scar`: debian doesn't block 4500 UDP unless you've told it to. Are you sure it's not your ISP filtering? |
| 10:34.34 | jethro | s/bisit/visit/ |
| 10:34.39 | tra1a1a | "the faith it seems is not without a sense of irony" (Morpheus, The Matrix) |
| 10:35.37 | LinuxUser | "Follow the white rabbit..." |
| 10:36.02 | scar` | Guerin, but doesn't block Debian anything unless I have told not to? ... My ISP requires this port to be open vor VPN connections |
| 10:36.05 | jethro | EAT THE RED PILL! |
| 10:36.08 | Phated | tra1a1a: s/the faith/fate/ |
| 10:36.09 | darkness1 | btw, my debian machine shows this error on bootup. Soundserver device/dev/dsp can't be opened permissions denied. Soundserver will continue using null output device. |
| 10:36.27 | tra1a1a | Phated: note taken :) |
| 10:36.31 | jethro | hahah |
| 10:36.32 | Guerin | scar`: no, debian, by default, blocks no ports, in or out. |
| 10:37.10 | scar` | Guerin, hmm ... I'm confused |
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| 10:37.49 | tra1a1a | scarynetworkguy: start reading the netfilter howto and the clouds will start disappearing |
| 10:37.55 | tra1a1a | bah |
| 10:38.06 | tra1a1a | scar`: start reading the netfilter howto and the clouds will start disappearing |
| 10:38.31 | Space_NL | darkness1: means that the soundcard can not be found, and that u thus cannot play sound. check if you have the correct module loaded. |
| 10:38.34 | tra1a1a | scar`: also try /usr/share/doc/iptables/html |
| 10:39.29 | jim | scar`: you might start from a place of known info just to sync with the docs |
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| 10:40.11 | scar` | rogar that ... I'll read my way through... thx everyone... |
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| 10:41.53 | jim | at first it will seem weird; you're learning something of a weird shape to get results from... trust... get as familiar with the shape of netfilter as you can... then see examples |
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| 10:42.20 | Nermal | ahh.. the serenity of #debian after the n00b / CoC riddled #ubuntu |
| 10:42.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:42.38 | jim | serenity?! here??! |
| 10:42.44 | Nermal | :) |
| 10:42.58 | simonrvn | coc? |
| 10:43.26 | jim | cranksters on crack? |
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| 10:44.05 | Nermal | code of conduct |
| 10:44.14 | Nermal | apparently calling someone an arse goes against it |
| 10:44.47 | Phated | They all think #ubuntu is nicer, anyway. |
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| 10:45.43 | Guerin | it's just too nice in there for me |
| 10:47.13 | streuner | Phated: heh, no. |
| 10:47.23 | Phated | streuner: Why are they in there, then? |
| 10:47.48 | streuner | Phated: don't ask me, ask them. |
| 10:47.56 | Phated | I'd rather not. :) |
| 10:48.14 | PeTeRB | How do I list all packages that depend on a certain package? |
| 10:48.43 | boycer | huhuh - arse goes against CoC... |
| 10:48.43 | Guerin | PeTeRB: apt-cache rdepends packagename |
| 10:48.49 | streuner | PeTeRB: /msg dpkg depends foo |
| 10:48.54 | Guerin | !lose boycer |
| 10:48.54 | dpkg | boycer: You Lose. |
| 10:49.15 | boycer | i lose... :( |
| 10:49.21 | Guerin | depends = packages that a certain package depends upon |
| 10:49.35 | Guerin | rdepends = packages which are depended upon by a certain package |
| 10:50.02 | Guerin | i find it extremely hard to get my head around, so just pick on based on that explanation ... i think I got it right |
| 10:50.06 | Phated | Guerin: Uhm, you just said the same thing, twice. |
| 10:50.22 | Guerin | Phated: oh, i did |
| 10:50.26 | Guerin | lemme rephrase |
| 10:50.34 | liable | glad i'm not the only confused one |
| 10:50.40 | Guerin | rdepends = packages which depend on a certain package |
| 10:50.47 | Phated | Bettah. |
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| 10:51.02 | Guerin | damn the passive voice and its confiselating ways |
| 10:51.13 | jim | ubuntu is sponsored by Canonical; I'm not sure yet whether they're good free-sofware citizens and otherwise nice or not... |
| 10:51.20 | streuner | Phated: there are folks which want the latest kernel, the latest GNOME - most people don't know you can realize that in debian as well... |
| 10:51.27 | Phated | streuner: Ah. |
| 10:51.36 | liable | !dict confiselating |
| 10:51.38 | dpkg | could not find definition for confiselating |
| 10:51.57 | jim | ask snoop dog for the proper definition |
| 10:52.01 | liable | Guerin: you make that word up? |
| 10:52.14 | Guerin | liable: no. Which? |
| 10:52.21 | Guerin | confuselating |
| 10:52.24 | PeTeRB | Guerin: Thanks |
| 10:52.35 | liable | oh |
| 10:52.44 | liable | that makes more sense |
| 10:52.53 | Guerin | i'm not sure it does, really |
| 10:53.04 | man_in_shack | anyone know where i can find a full listing of xkb modifier names? |
| 10:53.04 | liable | works for me |
| 10:53.15 | Phated | A new word or two is hardly significant when one is dealing with passive voice to boot. |
| 10:53.18 | streuner | jim: the only point is that support works well, other issues aren't in prior _that_ high... |
| 10:54.11 | jim | I'm trying to figure out if they're hiding things... for one, they might have obfuscated the fact they own the domain gnuarch.org |
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| 10:54.19 | jim | at least for awhile |
| 10:55.44 | cahoot | man_in_shack: /etc/X11/xkb/symbols? |
| 10:56.40 | man_in_shack | ok |
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| 10:59.18 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 10:59.23 | man_in_shack | what does "Mode_switch" do? |
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| 11:04.19 | kart_ | hi all! |
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| 11:04.36 | D_F | Where is the rc.local or equivalent on Debian Sarge |
| 11:05.09 | liable | !rc.local |
| 11:05.09 | dpkg | rc.local is, like, the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 11:05.34 | D_F | Cheers liable. |
| 11:06.02 | liable | np |
| 11:06.06 | liable | dpkg: thanks |
| 11:06.06 | dpkg | liable: de nada |
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| 11:12.55 | liable | ait always makes me sad, when I set myself a beer limit for the night, and I crack the last one. |
| 11:13.08 | liable | s/ait/it |
| 11:13.26 | Space_NL | why ? it means u made youre target! |
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| 11:13.41 | si0ux | hi! |
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| 11:13.47 | Space_NL | (u did mean a limit on the amount u surely NEED to drink, no less then that ?) |
| 11:13.58 | liable | no, it means I have to ajust it |
| 11:14.20 | seldon | Aren't you drunk enough to not care about it yet? |
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| 11:14.42 | liable | unfortunatley not, I have to work tommorrow |
| 11:15.00 | liable | but, ou couldnt tell from my spelling :) |
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| 11:15.42 | skaught | liable: Where do you live? |
| 11:15.48 | liable | oz |
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| 11:16.41 | liable | and yes english is my native language |
| 11:17.07 | seldon | Oz? As in "The Wizard of"? |
| 11:17.14 | skaught | liable: Gotcha :) It's still 05:00 here in Canada. I wasn't making reference to your typing, just that you said "work tomorrow" |
| 11:17.23 | liable | no, the drunkard of ... |
| 11:17.25 | seldon | Didn't know that was in Australia... |
| 11:18.15 | positrix | seldon: hell yes we got a yellow brick road and flying monkeys and everything ;) |
| 11:18.21 | D_F | What do I use if I want a specific command to run at boot? |
| 11:18.41 | bob2 | !+rc.local |
| 11:18.41 | dpkg | rc.local is probably the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 11:18.53 | D_F | I've already read that. |
| 11:18.54 | liable | D_F: make a script and put it in /etc/init.d |
| 11:19.03 | D_F | liable: Thanks, I'm a bit slow. |
| 11:19.05 | liable | D_F: well, read it again |
| 11:19.19 | liable | D_F: :) hah |
| 11:19.22 | D_F | liable, Oh I see exactly what you mean now. Thanks a lot :) |
| 11:19.38 | D_F | I think I just truly discovered how init.d works, cheers. ;) |
| 11:20.15 | jim | look at man update-rc.d too |
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| 11:21.05 | PeTeRB | It's OK to remove libglade2-dev if I don't use Gnome, right? |
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| 11:21.24 | D_F | jim: I did. :) |
| 11:21.42 | jim | any -dev is mostly for compiling stuff against the libarary |
| 11:22.25 | jim | there's nothing there that's needed to -run- anything |
| 11:23.06 | PeTeRB | I knew that. |
| 11:23.20 | man_in_shack | how to tell when you've been running debian too long: when you think you need to apt-get install girlfriend |
| 11:23.32 | sobersabre | guys... a 60-70 MB/s disk throughput gives me 30 MB/s via NFS |
| 11:23.41 | sobersabre | is there a way to improve it ? |
| 11:23.49 | bob2 | try using tcp instead of udp |
| 11:23.57 | bob2 | and google "linux nfs performance tips" |
| 11:23.58 | sobersabre | bob2, how do i do this ?! |
| 11:24.03 | bob2 | man mount |
| 11:24.12 | bob2 | I think the option is just "tcp" |
| 11:24.15 | sobersabre | bob2, i've read so many things about nfs... |
| 11:24.21 | bob2 | yup |
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| 11:24.25 | seldon | tcp is generally slower than udp |
| 11:24.37 | bob2 | for nfs? |
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| 11:24.39 | man_in_shack | seldon, unless you have high packet loss |
| 11:24.41 | bob2 | I'd heard the opposite |
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| 11:25.18 | seldon | Well, yeah, unless you lose lots of packages. But that is rarely the case. |
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| 11:25.47 | PeTeRB | Packages? |
| 11:26.00 | MobyTurbo | I think he means "packets" |
| 11:26.03 | man_in_shack | packets |
| 11:26.05 | seldon | Uh...yeah. |
| 11:26.06 | seldon | Sorry. |
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| 11:26.17 | sobersabre | i thinksss he means packetettes ,,, |
| 11:26.24 | man_in_shack | seldon, over the internet it's a problem for me. i dun think i've had packet loss over the lan |
| 11:26.27 | bob2 | not in english |
| 11:26.54 | jim | girl packets? |
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| 11:26.56 | seldon | I think 30MB/s network performance is a dead giveaway he's talking about a LAN |
| 11:26.59 | liable | hehe |
| 11:27.10 | sobersabre | bob2, what throughput shall i expect with 70MB/s disk and Gigabit network ... ? |
| 11:27.16 | jim | and a fast lan at that |
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| 11:27.31 | sobersabre | :) |
| 11:27.46 | sobersabre | i want to see an isp to get 30MB/s :)))) |
| 11:27.50 | bob2 | I don't know |
| 11:28.03 | bob2 | I'd be whinging if I got < 60MB/s on sequential reads |
| 11:28.15 | sobersabre | OK... |
| 11:28.38 | sobersabre | i am trying to write a large file from a client with dd, i measure with time. |
| 11:28.55 | sobersabre | i get this rate... so it point out there's some trouble... right ? |
| 11:29.19 | seldon | But it's not the network performance. Gigabit LAN can handle more than 30 MB/s, tcp or not. |
| 11:29.53 | liable | sobersabre: hdparm -t /dev/blah |
| 11:30.08 | positrix | processing speed of one of the boxes??? |
| 11:30.21 | sobersabre | liable, we're on scsi + it ia a raid |
| 11:30.35 | sobersabre | i measured local read/writes - got 70M/s |
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| 11:30.39 | liable | well, ignore that then :) |
| 11:30.51 | sobersabre | s/ia/is/g |
| 11:31.02 | seldon | It _is_ a hardware raid, right? |
| 11:31.10 | sobersabre | seldon, indeed. |
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| 11:31.29 | jm_ | machine has to do much more for NFS reads/writes that for local ones |
| 11:31.38 | jm_ | that=than |
| 11:31.54 | bob2 | what's the cpu usage look like? |
| 11:32.01 | jim | fat=fan? |
| 11:32.19 | tra1a1a | fat=fan of food |
| 11:32.33 | jim | fat=fan=tan=tin=thin |
| 11:32.41 | jim | therefore fat=thin! |
| 11:32.44 | seldon | you're weird. |
| 11:32.45 | MobyTurbo | aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 11:32.46 | tra1a1a | :)) |
| 11:32.53 | jim | you noticed?! |
| 11:33.03 | seldon | Not until it was too late, it appears... |
| 11:33.26 | jim | ahh,,, meaning you're weird too cause it's contagious? |
| 11:33.33 | sobersabre | bob2, not much. it is 4 cpu's ( 2 xeons ) |
| 11:33.38 | seldon | You noticed? |
| 11:33.56 | jim | compared to windows, debian is weird... so go figure :P |
| 11:34.11 | sobersabre | loadavg though is not low... 5.8 |
| 11:34.13 | jim | well in uneducated minds anyway |
| 11:34.18 | tra1a1a | jim: the other way around too |
| 11:34.39 | sobersabre | jim, win looks really pecular after a while of not using it.. |
| 11:34.43 | bob2 | sobersabre: look at what's using all your cpu then |
| 11:34.51 | seldon | Well, uneducated minds call "The Sun" a newspaper, so... |
| 11:34.52 | bob2 | maybe you have a shitty gigE card |
| 11:34.55 | bob2 | like realtek or something |
| 11:34.55 | sobersabre | nfsd, mate |
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| 11:35.07 | bob2 | haha |
| 11:35.09 | bob2 | there you go |
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| 11:35.22 | sobersabre | bob2, i have a shitty broadcom cards. they share interrupt. i can't find a way to separate them ... |
| 11:35.26 | jim | what do shitty gige cards do that makes them slow? |
| 11:35.41 | bob2 | jim: demand the kernel talk to them every 16 bytes or whatever |
| 11:35.47 | liable | seldon: i'm aussie and I dont even get that |
| 11:35.47 | jim | ugh |
| 11:35.55 | jim | that's not the driver? |
| 11:35.59 | sobersabre | jim, it is possible interrupts are handled in a shitty way |
| 11:36.05 | bob2 | jim: some cards only have very small buffers |
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| 11:36.18 | jim | oic... ram is soo cheap too |
| 11:36.22 | sobersabre | bob2, i have set os buffers to be really big. |
| 11:36.51 | bob2 | jim: this isn't ram, it's bytes on the ethernet asic |
| 11:37.01 | bob2 | but yes, it is due to stupidity and tightarseness |
| 11:37.21 | Subvertir | is there some easy way to set up an authoritative DNS server on debian, other than hand-editing bind files |
| 11:37.37 | sobersabre | Subvertir, order someone to do it for you .... |
| 11:37.38 | liable | hmm, another new word :) |
| 11:37.57 | sobersabre | "authoritive DNS" ? |
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| 11:38.08 | Subvertir | a DNS server that is authoritative for a particular domain |
| 11:38.13 | sobersabre | liable, which new word ? tightarseness ? |
| 11:38.17 | liable | yah |
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| 11:38.24 | jim | liable: if that's the word, it's very old :) |
| 11:38.37 | jim | oh, not auth dns? |
| 11:38.40 | liable | is it a *real* word though |
| 11:38.46 | tra1a1a | how old? since the money were invented? |
| 11:39.02 | jim | no I meant auth dns is an old concept |
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| 11:39.14 | tra1a1a | ah... |
| 11:40.51 | Subvertir | it's old, so one owuld think there'd be a wide variety of easy-to-use tools to deal with it |
| 11:40.51 | Subvertir | but HELL AH |
| 11:40.51 | Subvertir | nah* |
| 11:40.51 | Subvertir | I guess that's why noone is paying me to think though |
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| 11:40.52 | liable | Subvertir: what do they pay you to do? |
| 11:40.52 | cArLoSbAsTos | alguem pt-br? |
| 11:40.52 | bob2 | Subvertir: how would you do it more simply? |
| 11:40.52 | jim | cArLoSbAsTos: /msg dpkg br |
| 11:41.16 | cArLoSbAsTos | KVIrc 2.1.3 'Renaissance' |
| 11:41.45 | tra1a1a | speaking about DNS, I've always wanted to have a dns "forwarder" that will forward the requests to whatever I have in resolv.conf or return host not found if I have nothing there. Is there such a thing? |
| 11:41.49 | Subvertir | bob2, How would I implement a DNS server configuration interface? It's 2005, xmlrpc over ssl seems like it'd be he 'neat' thing to use |
| 11:42.10 | Delph | tra1a1a: dnsmasq... oh wait. |
| 11:42.22 | Space_NL | is andy enige leiding dan ? |
| 11:42.25 | Space_NL | wrong chan |
| 11:42.25 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 11:42.31 | Delph | why would you want to return host not found if you don't have any config setup. |
| 11:42.32 | jim | cArLoSbAsTos: /msg dpkg br |
| 11:42.47 | jim | NOT /msg jim -anything- |
| 11:42.54 | bob2 | tra1a1a: you can just install bind and run it on your local machine. it'll answer things from it's cache, but look up new things remotely. |
| 11:42.54 | Delph | ah; if you were connectionless, then you'd want it to time out quickly. |
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| 11:43.06 | bob2 | tra1a1a: you need to tell it where to forward to, tho, it won't read resolv.conf |
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| 11:43.28 | tra1a1a | actually I don't care what it will return I just want to aviod the big timeout waiting if I'm not online |
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| 11:43.30 | sobersabre | is there anything related to grid on irc ? |
| 11:43.52 | terraces | Hi, Someone already installed sympa on debian sarge. I can't find how to get correct URLs |
| 11:44.07 | tra1a1a | bob2: so it won't work very nice for dial up with several providers, will it? |
| 11:44.38 | tra1a1a | Delph: exactly |
| 11:45.05 | tra1a1a | Delph: so can dnsmasq do the job? |
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| 11:46.34 | Delph | tra1a1a: no idea |
| 11:46.42 | cArLoSbAsTos | tks a lot! it so helpful.... :) but im asking if i can build put kern 26 with 24 on the same partition... can u help-me... i asking this because after i compile all i have to copy system-myver.map to bott and link it aganist system.map which is linked to sys-24.map... it will work for me? |
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| 11:46.47 | Delph | it serves out of /etc/hosts, or looks up in resolv.conf otherwise |
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| 11:46.53 | Delph | not sure what happens if there's nothing in resolv.conf |
| 11:47.20 | tra1a1a | ok, let me check it out and thanks for the hint |
| 11:47.24 | liable | cArLoSbAsTos: you use woody? |
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| 11:48.04 | tra1a1a | !tell cArLoSbAsTos about u |
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| 11:48.36 | cArLoSbAsTos | yes... i think.... kurumin a debian recompilation... |
| 11:48.37 | liable | cArLoSbAsTos: dont compile, or if you do use make-kpkg, /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 11:48.48 | directhex|work | cArLoSbAsTos, ask #kurumin for kurumin support |
| 11:48.50 | cArLoSbAsTos | ok... |
| 11:48.57 | simonrvn | cArLoSbAsTos: just stick the kernel version after the file name. like System.map-2.6.11.10 and System.map-2.4.30 for example. or just use the debian images |
| 11:48.59 | directhex|work | cArLoSbAsTos, if you were using debian, you woundt have a problem |
| 11:49.26 | directhex|work | cArLoSbAsTos, on debian, you use make-kpkg, and don't need to piss about with anything in /boot yourself |
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| 11:50.51 | cArLoSbAsTos | its not useful for me... i trying a very lightwieght kernel... my purposes only... <simonrvn> thats is my light too, but if i dont link the 26 image againt system.map it wont work. Am i right? |
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| 11:51.17 | liable | cArLoSbAsTos: wrong channel |
| 11:51.32 | petemc | cArLoSbAsTos: system.map isnt essential |
| 11:51.39 | simonrvn | what? the system.map is created during the build. and go see #kurumin for better help |
| 11:52.02 | liable | !dont support kurumin |
| 11:52.11 | liable | bleh |
| 11:52.18 | directhex|work | !not supporting kurumin |
| 11:52.18 | tra1a1a | cArLoSbAsTos: try #linux, #linuxhelp and perhaps #kernel for help on kernel compilation. If you want to do it the debian way use make-kpkg |
| 11:52.19 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support $1 too. Try #$1 or donating money to charity. |
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| 11:52.25 | directhex|work | XD |
| 11:52.27 | cArLoSbAsTos | kurumin doesnt exist... |
| 11:52.29 | directhex|work | someone fix it ¬_¬ |
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| 11:52.32 | liable | directhex|work: :) |
| 11:53.09 | cArLoSbAsTos | illl do it later... now tks all... |
| 11:53.12 | liable | wtf is kurumin anyway |
| 11:53.12 | cArLoSbAsTos | c u |
| 11:53.18 | directhex|work | don't you worry about blank, let me worry about blank |
| 11:53.20 | directhex|work | !kurumin |
| 11:53.20 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 11:53.24 | simonrvn | !literal cmd: not supporting (.*?) |
| 11:53.24 | dpkg | CMD: not supporting (.*?) is <reply>We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support $1 too. Try #$1 or donating money to charity. |
| 11:53.36 | Phated | !not supporting kurumin |
| 11:53.36 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support $1 too. Try $1 or donating money to charity. |
| 11:53.42 | Phated | Bother. |
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| 11:54.21 | tra1a1a | $1 should be %1%?!? |
| 11:54.38 | Phated | AH0HAH! |
| 11:54.42 | Phated | !not supporting kurumin |
| 11:54.43 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support kurumin too. Try #kurumin or donating money to charity. |
| 11:54.51 | Phated | !win me |
| 11:54.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, phated! You have won the US presidency! |
| 11:55.03 | asg | !give Phated a cookie |
| 11:55.03 | Phated | Unless, ehm, someone edited that silently while I was editing it. |
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| 11:55.07 | Phated | Cookiecookie! |
| 11:55.22 | directhex|work | great. intarweb porn has been banned in ukland |
| 11:55.23 | simonrvn | fixed |
| 11:55.43 | Phated | directhex|work: :( |
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| 11:55.43 | vchrizz | :P |
| 11:55.44 | simonrvn | !not supporting kurumin |
| 11:55.44 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support kurumin too. Try #kurumin or donating money to charity. |
| 11:55.58 | Phated | :) |
| 11:56.03 | vchrizz | does anybody have experience with botting/installing debian via pxe? |
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| 11:56.13 | bob2 | vchrizz: yup |
| 11:56.14 | vchrizz | i tried this: http://www.debianplanet.com/node.php?id=818&mode=4&order=1 |
| 11:56.17 | bob2 | it's fun and simple |
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| 11:56.49 | tra1a1a | vchrizz: you might want to try lessdisks |
| 11:57.01 | vchrizz | but its somehow not working... it loads the file, changes resolution (or similar) and then i just have a black screen |
| 11:57.10 | bob2 | the trick seems to be to use tftp-hpa |
| 11:57.27 | directhex|work | sounds like the console output,s not going to tty1 |
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| 11:57.44 | tra1a1a | vchrizz: do you have the initrd loaded as well? |
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| 11:58.26 | vchrizz | i did nothing ;) just bootup the box and pressed enter at prompt |
| 11:58.57 | vchrizz | i see much text for a part of a second and then i have a black screen... |
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| 11:59.30 | tra1a1a | vchrizz: if you give us a short breefing on your goals you might get better suggestions |
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| 12:00.24 | simonrvn | cat /usr/bin/aspell > /dev/tra1a1a/brain |
| 12:00.29 | ere | I plan to ditch OSX on my iBook and run only Debian, when I have the opportunity I want to use a logical volume manager, the question is: wich one? evms or lvm2? |
| 12:00.44 | liable | tra1a1a: I hope you are happy, I will go to bed singing the banana splits theme song because of your nick :) |
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| 12:01.00 | cahoot | simonrvn: wouldn't a pipe be more suitable? |
| 12:01.08 | simonrvn | no |
| 12:01.13 | tra1a1a | liable: oh, yes! yes! |
| 12:01.29 | simonrvn | i'm trying to implant it |
| 12:01.52 | liable | sarcasm |
| 12:01.52 | vchrizz | tra1a1a: well, ive got a notebook with winxp on it, no floppy and defect secondary ide-channel (where the cdrom is at) |
| 12:02.02 | tra1a1a | simonrvn: /dev/tra1a1a/brain permission denied (ro fs) |
| 12:02.07 | vchrizz | tra1a1a: and what i want is to install debian on it ;) |
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| 12:02.26 | simonrvn | su -c "mount -o remount,rw /dev" |
| 12:02.38 | man_in_shack | i know it's possible to make right-alt do special things |
| 12:02.50 | man_in_shack | but htf do you config it for that? |
| 12:02.52 | Caquinho | hail... is any body here uses squirrelmail? |
| 12:03.02 | bob2 | vchrizz: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s06.html |
| 12:03.10 | bob2 | Caquinho: best to just ask your question |
| 12:03.13 | man_in_shack | right-alt + key == char written on right-hand-side of key |
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| 12:03.18 | jim | ere: isn't evms pretty old? lvm2 is fairly mature now, and it features a "dispatcher" kernel module... all the lvm smarts are in userland |
| 12:03.42 | tra1a1a | simonrvn: my english is what it is - you'll have to live with it |
| 12:03.50 | simonrvn | which makes lvm2 rather nice for that |
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| 12:04.04 | simonrvn | no, i'll die from the typos ;p |
| 12:04.16 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 12:04.21 | vchrizz | bob2: thx, ill have a look ;) |
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| 12:04.48 | ere | jim: I'm not sure, I tried evms about a half year ago, my impression is that it was a more capable solution that integrated software raid management etc, but I don't have any use for that on a laptop |
| 12:05.00 | jim | watch out, recommended you put your / and /boot partitions out of lvm (they can be small, but /boot has to be physically near the start of the drive) |
| 12:05.15 | Caquinho | bob2 =] okz... Im trying to use squirrelmail but its returns this msg when im logged in: "Query:CREATE "INBOX.Sent" Reason |
| 12:05.15 | Caquinho | Given: Permission denied |
| 12:05.15 | nextime | jim : evms and lvm are different, evms is an unified ui over lvm, raid, mkfs and so on |
| 12:05.16 | jim | ere: you sure you don't want macos at all? |
| 12:05.21 | nextime | lvm is only lvm |
| 12:05.27 | bob2 | Caquinho: your imap server is misconfigured |
| 12:05.30 | jim | ahh |
| 12:05.40 | bob2 | Caquinho: or you didn't tell squirelmail what sort of imap server you're using |
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| 12:06.03 | jim | so it could resize partitions that are of types that support that |
| 12:06.06 | jim | ? |
| 12:06.07 | tra1a1a | vchrizz: I'm almost certain that there is an easier way but you could set up a diskless server to load debian from, then boot the laptop over the network with nfs-root and then use debootstrap to install it on the laptop hdd |
| 12:06.15 | CreeZeeR | hello |
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| 12:06.45 | Caquinho | bob2 im using cyrus... ill see .conf and back here to ask somothing =] |
| 12:06.45 | directhex|work | !cyrus |
| 12:06.45 | dpkg | [cyrus] the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. Its homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. <greycat> cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN" |
| 12:06.46 | directhex|work | sorry, i just love that quote |
| 12:06.52 | ere | jim: at present time I run both OSX and debian, and almost never use OSX |
| 12:07.09 | bob2 | haha, me too |
| 12:07.11 | xophEr | any1 else had this problem?; When I leave my computer unattended, it goes into 'standby' (monitor shuts down), but the next morning it wont wake up again.. This only happens when it has been idle more than 10hrs.. |
| 12:07.15 | bob2 | maildir or bost |
| 12:07.16 | bob2 | er, bust |
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| 12:07.58 | tra1a1a | xophEr: are you using winxp? |
| 12:08.07 | pureone | lol |
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| 12:08.18 | Subvertir | rofl@greycat quote |
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| 12:08.36 | Caeies[taff] | heya all |
| 12:08.39 | directhex|work | xophEr, run memtest86 for 48 hours |
| 12:08.41 | simonrvn | i like cyrus. call me crazy. i don't give a crap :) |
| 12:08.46 | jim | well... you'd use the osx to do the apps that require it... also macos is actually an -integrated- os, much more so than win or linux, under which the graphic part is a side point/side attachment of the os |
| 12:08.49 | directhex|work | xophEr, and check /var/log/kern.log for kernel crashes |
| 12:09.05 | CreeZeeR | Is anybody knows what is the differences between the kernel source from kernel.org and the kernel source from debian.org ? |
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| 12:09.19 | Nermal | if it's vanilla, not much |
| 12:09.21 | jim | well os < x was pretty good |
| 12:09.34 | liable | CreeZeeR: not much, but a patch or two |
| 12:09.34 | xophEr | tra1a1a, not quite :P |
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| 12:09.41 | simonrvn | debian's has patches |
| 12:09.49 | xophEr | directhex|work, kernel didnt crash, checked that already |
| 12:09.51 | directhex|work | debian kernel sources have some modules removed, one or two minor random things added, and a completely fucked v4l tree |
| 12:09.52 | tra1a1a | CreeZeeR: iinm, none |
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| 12:09.55 | Caeies[taff] | I try to comiple the cloop-src for a 2.6.8 kernel on an amd64 and get a funny error when trying to load it : |
| 12:10.04 | xophEr | everything just seemed to stop.. |
| 12:10.09 | Caeies[taff] | `cloop' likely not compiled with -mcmodel=kernel (and more message) |
| 12:10.20 | directhex|work | xophEr, which sounds a lot like this defective hardware's behaviour |
| 12:10.27 | CreeZeeR | ok thanks |
| 12:10.30 | Caeies[taff] | I was using module-assistant to compile it, so I'm really surprised |
| 12:10.36 | tra1a1a | directhex|work: why fucked v4l? |
| 12:10.39 | jim | wazza cloop? |
| 12:10.48 | Caeies[taff] | compressed loop |
| 12:10.50 | sobersabre | what are path and PATH for tcsh ? |
| 12:10.53 | jim | ahh |
| 12:10.53 | Caeies[taff] | used by knoppix for example |
| 12:10.56 | sobersabre | why 2 ? |
| 12:10.58 | ere | jim: I don't need any apps that require OSX :) and I feel a bit trapped. Fink did improve the situation a bit, but well, for me I really don't have any reason to use OSX |
| 12:11.03 | directhex|work | tra1a1a, because the debian kernel people suck? |
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| 12:11.17 | oskie | are RSA PRIVATE KEYs password protected? if so, is there a way one can test its password? |
| 12:11.26 | jim | ok... well howbout this: can you swap drives? |
| 12:11.31 | greycat | they may or may not be passphrase protected. |
| 12:11.44 | tra1a1a | directhex|work: but how do you know it's fucked? I'm using v4l (actually v4l2) heavily and it simply works |
| 12:11.54 | jim | it just seems too much a shame to blow it away... you paid for it :) |
| 12:11.59 | directhex|work | tra1a1a, check the status of cx88xx.ko |
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| 12:13.34 | tra1a1a | directhex|work: check status cx88xx.ko |
| 12:13.35 | tra1a1a | -bash: check: command not found |
| 12:13.41 | Lrd_Matrx | where can i find the config for the cronjob thingy that sends out mails regarding cron jobs ? |
| 12:13.48 | tra1a1a | anyway is cx88x = completely fucked? |
| 12:13.52 | directhex|work | sigh |
| 12:14.07 | jethro | !lart postgrey |
| 12:14.17 | directhex|work | tra1a1a, yes, it's completely beyond fucked. however, you can't apply any patches to fix it, because other sections of the v4l tree have tiny patch-breaking chunks of code inserted. |
| 12:14.37 | directhex|work | tra1a1a, when it comes to v4l, i have to use upstream kernel source, because the debian stuff is beyond redemption |
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| 12:15.04 | tra1a1a | directhex|work: ok, I'll take your word on that |
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| 12:16.16 | tra1a1a | directhex|work: ah, just an idea - did you try to first patch the cx88xx and then apply the debian patches (with the conflicting parts eventually removed)? |
| 12:16.29 | directhex|work | tra1a1a, as a further sign, check packages.debian.org for packages containing cx88xx.ko - spot the pattern as to whether it's been built at all, or simply ignored by the debian kernel maintainers as somebody else's problem |
| 12:16.30 | moi_ | hey, does someone know how to make text bold within dialog? the --colors option is somehow not available. (using debian stable) |
| 12:17.04 | ethics | anyone know how to correct this error in my alsa-source install? make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/source SUBDIRS=/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver O=/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build modules |
| 12:17.05 | ethics | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/source: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 12:17.05 | ethics | make: *** [compile] Error 2 |
| 12:17.19 | directhex|work | ethics, why are you compiling alsa on 2.6? |
| 12:17.42 | tra1a1a | directhex|work: I guess even the debian kernel maintainers could not possibly care about everything |
| 12:17.48 | ethics | directhex...newer version needed for ich6...i have it running on an similar box i just think something i did different |
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| 12:18.08 | tarzeau | !seen abrotman |
| 12:18.08 | dpkg | abrotman <~abrotman@pcp01413775pcs.potshe01.pa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9h 1m ago, saying: 'gravity: i feel for you :)'. |
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| 12:18.22 | directhex|work | ethics, i should think installing the kernel source or headers, and specifying /usr/src/kernel-whatever-2.something might work better |
| 12:19.08 | ethics | cool headers are installed...i need that include line in configure 8) |
| 12:19.13 | puzl | question: I have disabled SMP support in my kernel without disabling Hyper-Threading in my bios. The system has failed to come back from a reboot. Am I an Idiot? ;) |
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| 12:19.42 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: tonight again? |
| 12:19.46 | tra1a1a | puzl: do you expect an honest or a polite answer? |
| 12:19.49 | directhex|work | puzl, shouldn;t matter |
| 12:19.52 | tarzeau | puzl: zes |
| 12:19.58 | puzl | I didn't think so |
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| 12:20.12 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ok |
| 12:20.14 | puzl | now, I have previously ( this morning ) followed this procedure this morning |
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| 12:20.17 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what time? |
| 12:20.23 | puzl | first time I changed USER_HZ to 1000 in param.h |
| 12:20.23 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: after 5 hours |
| 12:20.26 | puzl | reboot worked ok |
| 12:20.26 | Gathond | puzl: a non smp kernel should boot on an smp system I would think, this should also be true for HT i think |
| 12:20.37 | puzl | second time I disabled HT, and the reboot worked |
| 12:20.51 | puzl | third time I disabled SMP and it didn't reboot. I can't get at the console until next week :( |
| 12:21.01 | jharrisonwk | ok |
| 12:21.17 | puzl | perhaps there's a failed fsck waiting for user input. |
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| 12:21.47 | tra1a1a | ah, your fscking around with the kernel of a remote machine? Are you still interested in the answer of your question?! |
| 12:21.54 | tra1a1a | s/your/you're/ |
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| 12:22.31 | puzl | lol |
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| 12:23.01 | puzl | I've been doing remote kernel maintenance for years. |
| 12:23.07 | tra1a1a | puzl: for the next time you might want to recall the lilo option that boots with the last known "good" configuration |
| 12:23.19 | puzl | I have the lilo options saved |
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| 12:23.27 | puzl | but can't invoke them until I get to console |
| 12:23.44 | puzl | so why am I even asking the question? |
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| 12:23.59 | tra1a1a | indeed, why are you? |
| 12:24.01 | puzl | well, I can get a friend to have a look at the system, but I want to understand the possible failure conditions before he goes out there |
| 12:24.45 | tra1a1a | what do you mean you have the lilo options saved? |
| 12:25.05 | puzl | there are two lilo entries in the current lilo config |
| 12:25.20 | puzl | one for the last known good configuration, and one for my customised compile |
| 12:25.32 | tra1a1a | nah, that's not what I meant |
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| 12:25.48 | puzl | what did you mean? |
| 12:25.51 | EmleyMoor | Why is ftp.uk.debian.org so slow at the moment? |
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| 12:26.03 | cahoot | teatime? |
| 12:26.07 | tra1a1a | lilo has an option to boot a kernel only once (for testing) and next time to boot the last kernel |
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| 12:26.22 | puzl | oh really. I didn't know that. |
| 12:26.40 | EmleyMoor | lilo -R whattobootnexttime IIRC |
| 12:26.43 | puzl | it would only work for me if the failure condition is resulting in a reboot |
| 12:26.44 | tra1a1a | and you've been doing remote kernel maintainance for years? |
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| 12:26.55 | EmleyMoor | (mind you, I have changed over to grub now) |
| 12:26.56 | tra1a1a | I've never been doing it and I don't even use lilo |
| 12:27.08 | puzl | ok, you know more than me |
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| 12:27.10 | puzl | congrats |
| 12:27.10 | tra1a1a | anyway I think the option is -r |
| 12:27.21 | EmleyMoor | Ah yes, lower case |
| 12:27.23 | tra1a1a | puzl: thanks |
| 12:28.03 | BehnaM | i want remove lilo and install grub how ? |
| 12:28.14 | tra1a1a | as for the smp I've used non-smp kernel on an smp system - worked like a charm but only one of the cpus was used |
| 12:28.35 | toresbe | yep |
| 12:28.46 | tra1a1a | I've never tried HT system with linux, but I imagine it's the same as with real smp system |
| 12:28.52 | EmleyMoor | BehnaM: Not tested whether mine works - two of my machines have effectively always had grub on their current installs - but I think I have changed over correctly on this machine |
| 12:28.55 | toresbe | only insecure :P |
| 12:29.17 | EmleyMoor | All a case of generating the menu file and installing grub to the mbr, I think |
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| 12:30.07 | tra1a1a | BehnaM: grub-install |
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| 12:30.10 | kneet | BehnaM: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-grub.php |
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| 12:30.57 | BehnaM | tralala i try this but it dont work |
| 12:31.16 | tra1a1a | BehnaM: did you try man grub; man grub-install as well? |
| 12:31.31 | puzl | well, thanks for the help guys. I guess all I can do is wait and go out there myself. |
| 12:31.41 | matt__ | Hi Guys, I'd like to install testing now in preparation for the upcoming release. However I'd like to run stable when it is actually released. Can anyone shed some light on how the freeze process will work during this transition period? Is it possible to do? |
| 12:31.44 | BehnaM | kneet thank you |
| 12:31.48 | puzl | I would be really surprised if disabling SMP is the cause of this problem |
| 12:31.53 | tra1a1a | ah, and try /msg dpkg didn't work |
| 12:31.53 | BehnaM | no tralala |
| 12:31.55 | kneet | Was sent that on channel last night :) |
| 12:32.06 | puzl | upcoming release? |
| 12:32.07 | EmleyMoor | matt__: Use the tag "sarge" until after it is declared stable |
| 12:32.09 | puzl | is sarge going out soon? |
| 12:32.20 | tra1a1a | puzl: /topic |
| 12:32.32 | liquidhouse | help: when logon screen appears in xwindow to load kde the cursor and mouse frozes, but mouse works. in console mode keyb is working fine |
| 12:32.40 | puzl | awesome news |
| 12:32.49 | BehnaM | tnanks |
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| 12:33.05 | matt__ | EmleyMoor: ah okay :-) |
| 12:33.24 | resiak | !tell Phated -about stfw |
| 12:33.30 | liquidhouse | i try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:33.30 | EmleyMoor | YMMV |
| 12:33.33 | Phated | Ah. |
| 12:33.38 | matt__ | What about from a testing net install? |
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| 12:34.05 | EmleyMoor | matt__: Did that ages ago to two of my machines - even less by way of headaches |
| 12:34.18 | skaught | matt__: A testing net install would be sarge, so changing "testing" to "sarge" in sources.list wouldn't make a difference initially |
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| 12:35.07 | matt__ | Skaught: that's what I'm after. How long will the period be between testing sarge start to merge. ie. what will be my window of oppurtinity |
| 12:35.09 | greycat | Silly. |
| 12:35.24 | macbobby | hey guys. is anybidy here who is able to help me with a java-problem? |
| 12:35.33 | matt__ | greycat: I think I agree.... |
| 12:35.41 | EmleyMoor | sarge is currently testing |
| 12:35.50 | skaught | matt__: Testing *is* sarge right now, and when it's released, sarge will be stable. So if you keep sarge in sources.list, you're good to go |
| 12:35.52 | tra1a1a | !tell macbobby about ask |
| 12:36.15 | EmleyMoor | "etch" will become the new testing |
| 12:36.20 | matt__ | skaught: ok |
| 12:36.32 | macbobby | tra1a1a: how could i make an array in which the first entry has the index 1 not 0 like default |
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| 12:37.05 | matt__ | Well I now understand so thanks guys and gals. :-) |
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| 12:37.12 | skaught | matt__: No problem |
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| 12:37.35 | tra1a1a | macbobby: 1) this sounds like a question for #java or #programming-n00b; 2) make array of k elements and don't use [0] |
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| 12:38.02 | matt__ | Just gotta go change all my testing installs to sarge now and I'm set. |
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| 12:38.19 | Delph | macbobby: not in java. The first element is [0]. This is the number of the first element. Any other number is a different element. |
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| 12:38.23 | Gud | communists |
| 12:38.36 | Ronin | Gud: so what if someone is? |
| 12:38.43 | Gud | Ronin: COMMUNIST |
| 12:38.55 | macbobby | Delph: is there no way to start with index 1? |
| 12:38.59 | skaught | Gud: Yes, those are both words. |
| 12:39.08 | greycat | Gud: WITCH! |
| 12:39.10 | Gud | Everyone, Ronin is a liberal commienist :@ |
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| 12:39.13 | skaught | macbobby: Why would you want to? |
| 12:39.14 | BehnaM | can anyone tell me how can i install xfce desktop ? |
| 12:39.29 | macbobby | skaught: because of my algorith i have here...! |
| 12:39.34 | macbobby | algorithm |
| 12:39.37 | Phated | BehnaM: apt-get install xfce4? |
| 12:39.42 | SlayerXP | BehnaM: "apt-get install xfce" at a guess |
| 12:39.48 | skaught | macbobby: Then fix your broken algorithm |
| 12:39.55 | BehnaM | ok thanks |
| 12:40.11 | Gud | BehnaM: cd /usr/ports/x11-wm/xfce && make install :@ |
| 12:40.12 | macbobby | skaught: this is not my one it's from our teacher |
| 12:40.14 | tra1a1a | BehnaM: for the related questions you should try apt-cache search |
| 12:40.22 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search xfce && pick something && apt-get install them |
| 12:40.22 | Gathond | macbobby: you could just allocate one more space than you need in your array and just not used the first element |
| 12:40.28 | EmleyMoor | I've just been explaining the concept of a C drive and why it doesn't apply to Linux |
| 12:40.34 | BehnaM | ok tralala |
| 12:40.37 | Delph | macbobby: NO |
| 12:40.52 | Delph | macbobby: the first one is numbered 0. |
| 12:40.52 | skaught | macbobby: Seriously, there's a purpose for homework you know. |
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| 12:41.19 | Gathond | skaught: yes, to make other people on IRC think:) |
| 12:41.28 | Delph | macbobby: there might be an obvious mathematical function that converts from 1-100 into 0-99, however =:) |
| 12:41.39 | liquidhouse | well will someone help me? |
| 12:41.52 | matt__ | mkdir /c: mount /dev/hdc /c: - emulate and then assimilate |
| 12:41.59 | matt__ | lol |
| 12:42.01 | Gud | greycat: COMMUNIST |
| 12:42.02 | skaught | macbobby: Or write a wrapper object that simulates an array starting from 1 |
| 12:42.05 | directhex|work | BehnaM, in case you missed it, the only useful and correct answer there came from the lovely Phated |
| 12:42.26 | greycat | Gud: Get with the program! It's TERRORIST now! |
| 12:42.26 | EmleyMoor | The way you get lettered drives in wine is clever |
| 12:42.58 | Gud | greycat: TERRARIST COMMUNIST LIBERAL MUSLEM |
| 12:43.04 | Gud | (homosexual) |
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| 12:43.09 | JohnnyST | liquidhouse, dose gnome work? |
| 12:43.11 | PeTeRB | Gud: You can't spell. |
| 12:43.13 | macbobby | Gathond: i think i'll try this that way |
| 12:43.14 | toresbe | Gud: hold kjeft. |
| 12:43.14 | petemc | insurgent |
| 12:43.19 | Phated | Learn to spell, it might actually be worth noticing your, ehm... insults. |
| 12:43.20 | Ronin | Gud: ahh there we go i was wondering when you'd try the gay insults too |
| 12:43.21 | JohnnyST | liquidhouse, try apt-get install kde |
| 12:43.22 | macbobby | so bye bye |
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| 12:43.31 | Gud | PeTeRB: WHAT. |
| 12:43.39 | PeTeRB | Gud: Words. |
| 12:43.41 | Gud | get out of my internet :@ |
| 12:43.42 | greycat | it's kinda hard to be a MUSLEM[sic] and a COMMUNIST at the same time, isn't it? |
| 12:43.51 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 12:43.55 | Ronin | greycat: now dont confuse the poor boy with logic |
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| 12:44.02 | Gud | greycat: communist :@ |
| 12:44.05 | Subvertir | logic? wtf? |
| 12:44.06 | Subvertir | where? |
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| 12:44.12 | Phated | Or a MUSLEM and a LIBERAL, eh. |
| 12:44.22 | greycat | Gud: ok, this is your final warning. Stop trolling. |
| 12:44.23 | directhex|work | depends, really. think what afghanistan would have been if fbi-al-qaida hadn't kept the commies out |
| 12:44.26 | Subvertir | I prefer the term "kike gypsy" tyvm |
| 12:44.31 | Gud | greycat: I'm not trolling :@ |
| 12:44.39 | Phated | Or a MUSLEM and a (homosexual), too. |
| 12:44.39 | Gud | what's trolling :@ |
| 12:44.42 | Ronin | Gud: then what do you call it? |
| 12:44.44 | greycat | Gud: /lastlog Gud reveals nothing even remotely close to being on topic. |
| 12:44.51 | Gud | Ronin: expressing my opinion :@ |
| 12:44.58 | Subvertir | some niggas scared to flaunt it gud |
| 12:45.07 | toresbe | Phated: Plenty of gay Muslims, they're all just in denial |
| 12:45.12 | Ronin | Gud: trolling by any other name is trolling |
| 12:45.17 | greycat | Subvertir: you can stop too. |
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| 12:45.30 | Subvertir | i haven't started |
| 12:45.44 | Phated | toresbe: Ehm... let's not go there. |
| 12:45.51 | Subvertir | I'm anti-troll-trolled =( |
| 12:45.52 | greycat | Subvertir: you've used at least 2 rather bad racial terms so far. |
| 12:46.04 | SlayerXP | someone hand me a +o so I can hand out a few +qs |
| 12:46.08 | Ronin | on the bright side listening to Gud is definatly more intersting then watching the virus scan im running ona users machine |
| 12:46.14 | Gud | SlayerXP: yeah, shut Ronin up :@ |
| 12:46.14 | Phated | Eeek, Slayer on the rampage! |
| 12:46.16 | toresbe | Phated: just like there are gay Christians too |
| 12:46.25 | Phated | toresbe: Yes, deary. |
| 12:46.27 | Gud | Ronin: stfu commienist :@ |
| 12:46.29 | Subvertir | greycat, I think we're all big boys in here |
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| 12:46.39 | SlayerXP | Gud: it'd be you too, so I'd start being quiet and on topic if I were you |
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| 12:46.52 | toresbe | and several big girls too |
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| 12:47.06 | wintix_ | heh |
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| 12:47.15 | Phated | toresbe: But... we all thought you were male. |
| 12:47.18 | Subvertir | no one is gonna go on an "ALLAH BIDS ME TO DESTROY YOU" binge because I said kike gypsy in some IRC channel, you know? |
| 12:47.29 | toresbe | Phated: Funny, could've said the same about you! |
| 12:47.33 | jharrisonwk | yeah |
| 12:47.39 | EmleyMoor | Must reorganise my apt sources.list to download from Ireland in preference to Britain - it's a LOT quicker |
| 12:47.40 | Phated | toresbe: Pwned. |
| 12:47.41 | toresbe | Phated: *hughug* |
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| 12:47.47 | jharrisonwk | assume makes an ass out of u and me |
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| 12:47.49 | Phated | toresbe: *hughug* |
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| 12:48.11 | matt__ | hmmm - not quite the chat I was expecting....... |
| 12:48.28 | Phated | That's us - unexpected. |
| 12:48.46 | greycat | NOBODY expects the Debian .... errr.... damn, he left. |
| 12:48.53 | SlayerXP | bet you weren't expecting that :) |
| 12:48.55 | Phated | Hahah. |
| 12:49.29 | Phated | *glub* |
| 12:49.37 | Phated | *glu... pop* |
| 12:49.40 | jharrisonwk | hhhmmmm |
| 12:50.06 | toresbe | oooh, worry not, fair maiden, for I shall save you! |
| 12:50.10 | Phated | Hm, blackcurrant, I like. |
| 12:50.15 | toresbe | plus, I like blackcurrant |
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| 12:50.21 | toresbe | *ger-FLOMP* |
| 12:50.32 | Phated | *glub* |
| 12:50.34 | jharrisonwk | these are some strange noises |
| 12:51.01 | jharrisonwk | toresbe: too late |
| 12:51.11 | jharrisonwk | toresbe: she has died in relative bliss |
| 12:51.18 | jharrisonwk | toresbe: see above ^ |
| 12:51.23 | jamuraa | hmm, I wish there was a mixer that sat in the tray like gaim |
| 12:51.27 | greycat | she's not all the way dead. |
| 12:51.30 | Phated | *koff* |
| 12:51.34 | jharrisonwk | oh I see |
| 12:51.35 | toresbe | see, I saved her |
| 12:51.38 | jharrisonwk | only partly dead? |
| 12:51.39 | Phated | Oooh, jelly. |
| 12:51.44 | SlayerXP | dead from the neck up :) |
| 12:51.51 | jharrisonwk | maybe we should visit the dude from princess bride |
| 12:52.05 | jharrisonwk | he could make one of those chocolate covered pill things |
| 12:52.06 | Phated | OK, fuck, this went on totally longer than I meant it to. :) |
| 12:52.10 | toresbe | heheh |
| 12:52.42 | jharrisonwk | ew |
| 12:52.45 | jharrisonwk | spam |
| 12:52.59 | tra1a1a | bah |
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| 12:53.16 | zophyx | eat |
| 12:53.19 | greycat | For the record, and for your entertainment: 08:49 <-Gud[~erik@1-2-5-7b.mal.sth.bostream.se] Can you -q me? I promise to behave(:@) ... 08:52 <-Gud[~erik@1-2-5-7b.mal.sth.bostream.se] communist |
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| 12:53.28 | Phated | HAHAH. |
| 12:53.34 | Phated | Encore! |
| 12:53.35 | tra1a1a | apt-get remove --purge Phated toresbe |
| 12:53.44 | SlayerXP | greycat: in soviet russia the communists communise YOU |
| 12:54.11 | toresbe | tra1a1a: You are about to do something potentially harmful |
| 12:54.12 | greycat | !curse autofs |
| 12:54.13 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, autofs! |
| 12:54.18 | toresbe | tra1a1a: To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
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| 12:54.25 | jharrisonwk | so dude got +q for calling someone a communist? |
| 12:54.44 | greycat | jharrisonwk: for excessive trolling, even past his last warning. |
| 12:54.47 | jamuraa | jharrisonwk: I think he was calling someone a communist for not getting -q |
| 12:54.50 | EmleyMoor | Why is bash(2) always required even if you install bash3? |
| 12:55.02 | oskie | what's the right way to enable TLS in exim4? it looks for 'MAIN_TLS_ENABLE', but I don't know how to enable that |
| 12:55.10 | jamuraa | which is particularly funnny :P |
| 12:55.16 | man_in_shack | EmleyMoor, because bash3 does not provide bash |
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| 12:55.24 | man_in_shack | maybe |
| 12:55.47 | greycat | !depends bash3 sarge |
| 12:55.48 | dpkg | bash3: depends on base-files (>= 2.1.12), passwd (>= 1:4.0.3-10), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1) |
| 12:56.02 | BehnaM | how to create a deb file ? |
| 12:56.08 | greycat | BehnaM: /msg dpkg mg |
| 12:56.08 | jharrisonwk | greycat: yes I see |
| 12:56.16 | jharrisonwk | greycat: I read up |
| 12:56.20 | zophyx | EmleyMoor: because bash 2 =! bash 3 ? |
| 12:56.32 | man_in_shack | what version is bash in sarge? |
| 12:56.35 | BehnaM | greycat thanks |
| 12:56.37 | EmleyMoor | Both = bash |
| 12:56.39 | greycat | man_in_shack: 2.05b by default |
| 12:56.44 | EmleyMoor | bash is 2.05b |
| 12:56.44 | SlayerXP | man_in_shack: apt-cache show bash |
| 12:56.46 | jharrisonwk | insane in the membrane |
| 12:56.56 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, afternoon |
| 12:57.01 | SlayerXP | hey jamie |
| 12:57.11 | man_in_shack | SlayerXP, i'm running sid |
| 12:57.14 | tra1a1a | man_in_shack: apt-cache showpkg whatever; google: whatever site:packages.debian.org |
| 12:57.15 | SlayerXP | vorsprung: we've sold the house! |
| 12:57.16 | EmleyMoor | Some other systems I use have dropped bash2 in favour of bash3 |
| 12:57.19 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, how's things? I just had lunchtime....urk boss-o-phone |
| 12:57.20 | SlayerXP | man_in_shack: and? |
| 12:57.26 | man_in_shack | a slightly out-of-date sid |
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| 12:57.39 | man_in_shack | SlayerXP, and my apt-cache has no knowledge of sarge |
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| 12:57.55 | greycat | man_in_shack: that's fixable. |
| 12:57.59 | SlayerXP | man_in_shack: then http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 12:58.14 | man_in_shack | SlayerXP, i thought it'd just be easier to ask here |
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| 12:58.33 | SlayerXP | man_in_shack: i.e. you're too lazy to do basic reasearch yourself? |
| 12:58.47 | SlayerXP | research |
| 12:58.49 | greycat | man_in_shack: unstable. |
| 12:58.53 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 12:58.53 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 12:59.09 | man_in_shack | SlayerXP, i'm already in here, and loading packages.debian.org takes time ... |
| 12:59.29 | simonrvn | lamest excuse i've heard all week |
| 12:59.30 | man_in_shack | SlayerXP, with something as simple as that, why not ask in here? |
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| 12:59.38 | tra1a1a | but packages.debian.org knows every single package, while here we don't |
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| 12:59.49 | SlayerXP | man_in_shack: because you'll get people like me telling you to stop being lazy |
| 12:59.57 | greycat | FUCK! My login as a user is *still* hanging on this box even after the reboot. |
| 13:00.13 | tra1a1a | woow! |
| 13:00.19 | greycat | Thank god I'm clever enough to allow root logins over ssh :/ |
| 13:00.25 | man_in_shack | then lay off |
| 13:00.34 | simonrvn | an egg |
| 13:01.01 | tra1a1a | greycat: how did you achieve that? |
| 13:01.22 | greycat | tra1a1a: apparently by being stupid enough to run "apt-get -u dist-upgrade" on a sarge box and permit it to upgrade autofs. |
| 13:01.44 | simonrvn | ow. autofs ~/ and it puked? |
| 13:01.58 | man_in_shack | now that i want some information more than just a version number, i go load packages.debian.org |
| 13:02.01 | greycat | simonrvn: ironically, my $HOME is *fine*. It's everything *else* autofs-related that's puking. |
| 13:02.05 | SlayerXP | greycat: I'm guessing that comments along the lines of "just restore from your backup" will get a free +q ? :) |
| 13:02.09 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 13:02.17 | greycat | SlayerXP: not necessary in this case... no data loss. |
| 13:02.35 | tra1a1a | greycat: well I'm using autofs without any problems, so you must have some really funny autofs settings |
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| 13:14.09 | robin_sz | OK, question. how close are we getting to having the megaraid problem fixed for Sarge/2.6 kernels? |
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| 13:15.34 | greycat | Yup. I ctrl-C'ed the hung login shell, unmounted /net/home/wooledg (which works *fine*... it's /net/appl/tool and so on that hung), downgraded autofs from 4.1.3+4.1.4beta2-10 to 4.1.3+4.1.4beta2-7, and everything's fine. |
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| 13:15.48 | robin_sz | the one where a update from 2.4 fails because the intrd tools seem the think it needs megaraid2.ko still which doesnt exist in 2.6 |
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| 13:16.45 | tra1a1a | so? an autofs bug? |
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| 13:16.59 | greycat | I don't want to play around with it too much, either, because this is a server. |
| 13:17.14 | greycat | fortunately it's not the kind of server that has interactive shell users other than me... |
| 13:17.28 | positrix | just want to make sure i understand this correctly: cvs--> release by individualpackage developers--> debain unstable --package compiles without problems on all major architectures and there are no critical bugs--> debian testing --every few years--> debain stable ? |
| 13:17.54 | greycat | positrix: mostly, yes. |
| 13:17.59 | robin_sz | tra1a1a: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=293569 |
| 13:18.02 | PerfDave | Don't packages have to compile on all arches to get into unstable in the first place? |
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| 13:18.09 | greycat | PerfDave: no |
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| 13:19.02 | tra1a1a | robin_sz: I was asking greycat |
| 13:19.28 | robin_sz | tra1a1a: ok |
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| 13:19.44 | robin_sz | so .. what would i have to do to bump this from "important" to "critical"?? |
| 13:20.05 | tra1a1a | robin_sz: anyway for the progress of a bug you could ask the person who has the bug assigned |
| 13:20.06 | jm_ | robin_sz: maybe ask in #debian-boot |
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| 13:20.49 | tra1a1a | robin_sz: I don't think it's up to you to assign the priority of a bug |
| 13:20.58 | robin_sz | yeah, guessed that |
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| 13:21.08 | robin_sz | jm_: no, thats only for installer bugs |
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| 13:21.41 | tra1a1a | robin_sz: if it was I would imagine all the bugs being critical. |
| 13:21.43 | jm_ | robin_sz: ahh you are upgrading the kernel? |
| 13:21.55 | robin_sz | jm_: correctamundo |
| 13:22.05 | robin_sz | and it craps out after an upgrade |
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| 13:22.30 | jm_ | robin_sz: ahh well, just wait like with all these things - I remember reading about this somewhere, maybe planet debian |
| 13:22.46 | robin_sz | well I waited 109 days |
| 13:22.48 | _gentgeen_ | anyone know anything about gnumeric not opening .xls files any more?? |
| 13:22.48 | tra1a1a | robin_sz: why don't you try out a sid kernel or (possibly better) forget about it? |
| 13:22.49 | jm_ | :) |
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| 13:23.13 | robin_sz | tra1a1a: would love to forget it .. but my client would actually like his new server to work |
| 13:23.17 | SlayerXP | _gentgeen_: yes, someone knows something about gnumeric not opening .xls files any more. |
| 13:23.34 | streuner | _gentgeen_: no, but what does changelog say? |
| 13:23.36 | tra1a1a | robin_sz: so what about a sid kernel or even mainstream? |
| 13:23.51 | SlayerXP | can someone with bot-fu add an action for me please? |
| 13:23.57 | _gentgeen_ | I was checking the Gnumeric website and could not see anything |
| 13:24.07 | ethics | can anyone tell me how i can correct this? make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/source SUBDIRS=/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver O=/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build modules |
| 13:24.07 | ethics | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/source: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 13:24.29 | ethics | i dont seem to have missed naything but i cant find the doco i had the other day for it |
| 13:24.33 | robin_sz | tra1a1a: i appreacite that Dell poweredge servers are rare and hardly used these days ... |
| 13:24.38 | jm_ | robin_sz: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/04/msg00330.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/03/msg00461.html |
| 13:25.06 | robin_sz | tra1a1a: its unlikely to help I fear, as its an unpgrade issue with the intird tools |
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| 13:27.03 | jm_ | so I guess one should really try with sid kernel |
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| 13:27.23 | tra1a1a | robin_sz: then sid initrd-tools |
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| 13:28.46 | d33p | I've got a pdf that I have to edit... somebody recommends me a debian package to do so? |
| 13:29.03 | robin_sz | jm_: weird, that says horms closed the relevant bugs, yet mine is still open ... hmm |
| 13:29.41 | jm_ | robin_sz: it also says it has been removed from 2.6.8 |
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| 13:30.04 | robin_sz | jm_: what has been removed from 2.6.8? |
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| 13:30.48 | jm_ | robin_sz: read the second URL again |
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| 13:31.25 | robin_sz | I just did |
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| 13:31.54 | cored | hi |
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| 13:31.58 | jm_ | so you noticed how it says you need a different module? |
| 13:31.58 | cored | im trying to set my source.list |
| 13:32.11 | cored | but i always get an error concerning can't fetch the list of packages |
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| 13:32.52 | robin_sz | jm_: yes, I know I need a different module .. the problem is it still tries to load megaraid2 ... not megariad or megariad_mbox |
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| 13:33.05 | jetscreamer | so edit it correctly |
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| 13:33.16 | jm_ | robin_sz: I know, so see if it's fixed in newer release, or modify the image by hand? |
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| 13:33.45 | tra1a1a | robin_sz: why don't you create the initrd image yourself or skip it entirely? |
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| 13:34.26 | mikeX | j0se, mila ligo ispanika na deis |
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| 13:34.42 | tra1a1a | !tell cored about sources.list |
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| 13:35.16 | tra1a1a | mikeX: #debian-gr? |
| 13:35.37 | mikeX | tra1a1a, lol how did you know? |
| 13:35.52 | tra1a1a | mikeX: I happen to live in .gr now |
| 13:36.01 | mikeX | :D |
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| 13:36.05 | mikeX | well gotta go |
| 13:36.06 | mikeX | bye |
| 13:36.14 | tra1a1a | cya |
| 13:36.29 | robin_sz | tra1a1a: been through all that, doen the cramfs thing, doen the scripts to edit modules.conf on the fly as its built etc etc etc |
| 13:36.39 | jethro | mikeX the firefox hacker? |
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| 13:36.58 | robin_sz | tra1a1a: I'LL TRY THIS NEW MEGRAID_MBOX THING AND SEE WHAT GIVES |
| 13:36.58 | mikeX | jethro, no not really |
| 13:37.15 | jethro | ok |
| 13:37.24 | jethro | I read such a nickname lately, on an advisory |
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| 13:37.49 | tra1a1a | robin_sz: try to compile your own kernel without using initrd |
| 13:37.50 | mikeX | hmm, now I have a hacker status yay |
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| 13:38.19 | tra1a1a | MikeH_: don't worry it could be worse |
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| 13:38.38 | jethro | tra1a1a:javascript hjackker is not something you'd brag about :) |
| 13:38.39 | tra1a1a | bah, fscking nick autocompletition |
| 13:38.41 | EmleyMoor | Who's being radicle? <g> |
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| 13:39.18 | greycat | radical. rascal. icicle. |
| 13:39.20 | greycat | !english |
| 13:39.20 | dpkg | i guess english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it?, or see #debian-en |
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| 13:39.51 | greycat | hey, there's nothing to see in #debian-en :/ |
| 13:39.59 | EmleyMoor | "radicle" as in root! |
| 13:40.15 | greycat | "radicle" as in "me flunk english? that's unpossible!" |
| 13:40.43 | stouset | greycat: "me fail english" |
| 13:40.46 | robin_sz | English: "a loose conglomeration of random words" |
| 13:40.50 | greycat | stouset: sorry. |
| 13:41.19 | jethro | general english question, how do I say that my laptop is not on battery, but plugged? |
| 13:41.24 | robin_sz | American: "a lose conglomerationisatinism of randomanisationised words" |
| 13:41.29 | stouset | greycat: Damn well you should be :-) |
| 13:41.40 | stouset | jethro: Your laptop is plugged in. |
| 13:42.04 | stouset | robin_sz: Personally, I'm a fan of "randomish" |
| 13:42.09 | EmleyMoor | radicle (n): 1: botany: The part of a plant embryo that develops into a root 2: anatomy: a small structure, such as a fibril of a nerve, that resembles a root. (dictionary.com) |
| 13:42.11 | tra1a1a | jethro: ah, I didn't realize that you meant hacker as hijacker |
| 13:42.41 | jethro | tra1a1a: see the latest firefuck advisories |
| 13:42.56 | EmleyMoor | jethro: You could say "it's on mains power." |
| 13:42.56 | robin_sz | stouset: im on a mission to rid the planet of people who mix up lose and loose |
| 13:43.12 | tra1a1a | bah, who cares 'bout such things |
| 13:43.14 | greycat | EmleyMoor: only if you're some sort of non-English-speaker. |
| 13:43.22 | jethro | EmleyMoor: thanks for the alternative, something involving AC-sources? |
| 13:43.34 | stouset | robin_sz: No kidding. Next time I see one of those motherfuckers on the lose, I'm going to loose it. |
| 13:43.35 | EmleyMoor | greycat: to what was that? |
| 13:43.46 | tra1a1a | jethro: how about apm? |
| 13:43.51 | greycat | jethro: "My laptop is plugged in." would be the most straightforward. "My laptop is currently wall-powered." would also work. |
| 13:44.03 | jethro | greycat: thanks alot sir |
| 13:44.05 | greycat | EmleyMoor: what the hell is "mains power"? Is that some British slang? |
| 13:44.22 | robin_sz | stouset: here, have this grenade, wait, the pin is dirty ... I'll just take ti away to wash it .. you stay there |
| 13:44.24 | EmleyMoor | greycat: British but certainly not "slang" |
| 13:44.28 | stouset | greycat: If you wanted to be politically correct, you would say "my laptop is not electrically challenged" |
| 13:44.44 | stouset | robin_sz: Did the pin shake lose or something? |
| 13:44.54 | greycat | EmleyMoor: bah. You guys can't even manage to abbreviate "math" properly. :-P |
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| 13:45.29 | slept | I want to use symbolic links with nfs that the users can delete the links they don't need , I found the option to make symbolic links relative . But that doesn't do it for me - what am I missing ? |
| 13:45.45 | greycat | slept: huh? |
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| 13:46.25 | asuffield | there is a 1mm solid plastic shell around this thing |
| 13:46.36 | Phated | What's wrong with that? |
| 13:46.36 | asuffield | how the fuck am I supposed to get into it? there are no openings |
| 13:46.38 | ethics | whos on a debian stock kernel atm? |
| 13:46.39 | slept | greycat, It's a music share - and I don't want to see the bands I hate |
| 13:46.42 | Phated | Ah. |
| 13:46.51 | asuffield | what utter lunatic designed this thing? |
| 13:46.59 | csy | guys-postfix, wondering if you can help.. im following this tutorial - http://www.workaround.org/articles/ispmail/ ive got to (Step 7) come to the end of it, run telnet localhost 25, yet i dont see any lines "250-STARTTLS" |
| 13:47.20 | stouset | greycat: You know, the whole math/maths thing has me really at an impass. Maths is probably more gramatically correct, but it just sounds so damned retarded. |
| 13:47.34 | stouset | greycat: We might as well start writing "colour" and "theatre", for chrissakes. |
| 13:47.38 | greycat | stouset: "from the people who brought you 'pants'" |
| 13:47.53 | ethics | can someone run this....ls -la /lib/modules/kernelnumber/ |
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| 13:48.04 | EmleyMoor | pants: what the American vs. British English argument is |
| 13:48.07 | ethics | i need to know where !source is meant to point..it's a symlink there |
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| 13:48.22 | jm_ | asuffield: why do you want to open it? |
| 13:48.25 | greycat | EmleyMoor: my point was that you guys say "That is pants.", using "pants" as a *singular* adjective. It's lunacy. |
| 13:48.32 | asuffield | jm_: so that I can plug it into a usb socket! |
| 13:48.48 | greycat | EmleyMoor: and you continue this pattern of insanity with things like "mains power" (what the *fuck* is that?), and "maths". |
| 13:49.15 | jm_ | asuffield: ahh same problem as me - I use USB cable that came with it, otherwise it doesn't fit with my stupid case |
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| 13:49.29 | tra1a1a | who gives a shate actually? |
| 13:49.43 | oskie | is there any program that can call crypt(1) on a string? |
| 13:49.59 | jm_ | oskie: man mkpasswd |
| 13:50.00 | Delph | mkpasswd? |
| 13:50.03 | EmleyMoor | American English and British English are two "dialect families" of the same root language - at one time they were the same but they were then allowed to develop on their own. So, neither can be said to be more correct than any other. |
| 13:50.08 | stouset | greycat: Haha. |
| 13:50.19 | positrix | greycat: wouldn't it be more correct to say "that is a pairt of pants" |
| 13:50.25 | positrix | *pari |
| 13:50.29 | positrix | *pair |
| 13:50.36 | greycat | positrix: no, it's more correct to say "That's shit." |
| 13:50.47 | directhex|work | greycat, do american schools only teach one mathematic? |
| 13:50.51 | tra1a1a | yeah, let's talk about shit |
| 13:51.03 | oskie | jm_: i'll install the whois package :) |
| 13:51.08 | greycat | directhex|work: "math" is the abbreviation for "mathematics", because "mathematics" begins with the letters "math". |
| 13:51.08 | positrix | !dpkg what is shit? |
| 13:51.09 | dpkg | positrix: what are you talking about? |
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| 13:51.23 | stouset | directhex|work: Correct. |
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| 13:51.32 | directhex|work | stouset, which one? |
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| 13:52.06 | stouset | greycat: Actually, I guess what it comes down to is: is mathematics plural? |
| 13:52.08 | oskie | jm_: thanks. |
| 13:52.23 | ethics | nm fixed it |
| 13:52.24 | stouset | greycat: If it is, then maths is the correct abbreviation since you're supposed to retain plurality on an abbreviation. |
| 13:52.32 | stouset | greycat: If not, then math is the correct abbreviation. |
| 13:52.39 | EmleyMoor | "math" rhymes with "bath" in the Tom Lehrer song "My Home Town" |
| 13:52.40 | stouset | directhex|work: The first one, obviously. |
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| 13:52.54 | stouset | directhex|work: The rest build on it. |
| 13:52.59 | ethics | directhex|work, the problem was a broken symlink in my headers |
| 13:53.02 | positrix | EmleyMoor: British english is the evolution of the origional root language. all other enlishes in use are branched from british enlish about 3-4 hundred years ago. |
| 13:53.13 | tra1a1a | the real question is: "does dpkg give a shit about how mathematics is abbriviated?" |
| 13:53.16 | Nermal | well..maybe not |
| 13:53.25 | tra1a1a | s/abbri/abbre/ |
| 13:53.33 | positrix | !dpkg do you give a shit about how mathematics is abbriviated? |
| 13:53.35 | Nermal | some of the works of shakespear seem to lean towards american english / accent |
| 13:53.43 | Nermal | as there were no dictionaries back then |
| 13:53.44 | greycat | positrix: you can go back farther. Why not simply speak Gaelic or Celtic? |
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| 13:53.48 | positrix | yes. dpkg does. |
| 13:53.51 | Nermal | so they just spelt things phoenetically |
| 13:53.58 | douglas_om | unrar-nonfree won't exist at Sarge? |
| 13:54.05 | stouset | positrix: Why can't it be said that British english branched off from its original version 300-400 years ago? |
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| 13:54.18 | oskie | what's the sarge release date & status? |
| 13:54.21 | directhex|work | (a collective term for) geometry, arithmetic, and certain physical sciences involving geometrical reasoning, such as astronomy and optics |
| 13:54.30 | greycat | oskie: "not yet". "later". |
| 13:54.32 | directhex|work | yes, it's a plural |
| 13:54.45 | oskie | greycat: but at some point in time it was 'may something', wasn't it? |
| 13:54.47 | stouset | oskie: "Not released". "When it's ready". |
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| 13:54.53 | greycat | oskie: /msg dpkg d-d-a |
| 13:54.53 | tra1a1a | positrix: actually dpkg seems a bit confused what to do |
| 13:54.55 | directhex|work | Nermal, shakespeare spelt his name about 20 different ways |
| 13:54.57 | greycat | oskie: have fun reading the archive. |
| 13:55.04 | directhex|work | http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/00303352?query_type=word&queryword=mathematics&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&result_place=1&search_id=3X7G-6uGLng-3793&hilite=00303352 |
| 13:55.15 | Nermal | directhex|work, aye.. but some words like route were splet rawt / etc |
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| 13:55.19 | Nermal | not "root" |
| 13:55.26 | Nermal | spelt* (sigh* |
| 13:55.28 | stouset | oskie: Branden Robinson said two weeks ago (I believe) that Sarge is aiming for May 30. |
| 13:55.37 | directhex|work | shakespeare had root? |
| 13:55.41 | greycat | Debian's aim isn't the best. |
| 13:55.42 | jethro | yes |
| 13:55.43 | oskie | greycat, stouset: ok, cool. thanks. |
| 13:55.55 | stouset | oskie: The last d-d-a report was today, I haven't read it yet. That probably has an update on whether or not we're on target. |
| 13:56.26 | stouset | oskie: In all likelihood, it will be within a few days of that target. Sarge is frozen, so it really only depends on RC bug count at this point. All other infrastructure changes are in place, which were the previous major blockers. |
| 13:56.38 | JohnnyST | stouset, where can I read the d-d-a report ? |
| 13:56.42 | positrix | because british enlish hasn't changed much in that time. it is the american version that was chacnged. remember, before america was founded, there was only british english. then |
| 13:56.50 | stouset | http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ |
| 13:56.54 | JohnnyST | ok |
| 13:56.55 | stouset | Evidently today's hasn't been sent out yet. |
| 13:57.02 | stouset | But it will be, eventually :-) |
| 13:57.32 | JohnnyST | stouset, ok. |
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| 13:57.38 | tra1a1a | so what? |
| 13:57.47 | sobersabre | i've created kernel-image. |
| 13:57.53 | sobersabre | deb |
| 13:57.56 | douglas_om | apt: unrar-nonfree |
| 13:58.02 | douglas_om | ops |
| 13:58.08 | sobersabre | now i need to create a corresponding initrd image |
| 13:58.14 | sobersabre | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.26 | tra1a1a | remember how before britain there was not british english? |
| 13:58.33 | tra1a1a | s/not/no/ |
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| 13:58.48 | j_k | sobersabre: Are You Sure You Need To? |
| 13:58.57 | positrix | before britan there was no bloody english |
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| 13:59.36 | greycat | !blame jethro |
| 13:59.55 | directhex|work | english is just a mess of words and grammar from every civilisation to invade for 4,000 years though |
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| 14:00.07 | petemc | its mostly from latin, i thought |
| 14:00.17 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: blame (.*?) =~ s/for $1 and/and $1 for/ |
| 14:00.18 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 14:00.57 | sobersabre | j_k, I Do :) |
| 14:01.08 | j_k | sobersabre: did you use kpkg-make? |
| 14:01.08 | greycat | directhex|work: or as I like to put it, "ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US !!" |
| 14:01.09 | tra1a1a | positrix: so what were the people talking just before they founded Britain? |
| 14:01.13 | sobersabre | but I am not sure whether it hasn't already been created... |
| 14:01.13 | Phated | That would be "I Am". |
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| 14:01.22 | sobersabre | j_k, yes indeed |
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| 14:01.28 | Phated | Sorry, but on the tails of an Englishy debate... |
| 14:01.29 | directhex|work | greycat, belong to US you mean. damned yank. |
| 14:01.39 | j_k | sobersabre: did you pass it --initrd ? |
| 14:01.40 | sobersabre | nope |
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| 14:01.50 | sobersabre | that sounds like a bad thing |
| 14:01.52 | j_k | sobersabre: don't you have your root filsystem drivers built-in? |
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| 14:01.54 | sobersabre | i shall rerun it. |
| 14:02.13 | PeTeRB | greycat: Could you fix dpkg's response to "stfw"? It says "tdlp.org" |
| 14:02.21 | j_k | sobersabre: I'd suggest to compile the support for your root in the kernel, instead. |
| 14:02.28 | greycat | PeTeRB: why not fix it yourself? |
| 14:02.37 | Phated | !stfw =~ s/tdlp/tldp/ |
| 14:02.37 | dpkg | Phated: OK |
| 14:02.43 | j_k | sobersabre: but when you pass --initrd, the initrd will be generated at installation time. |
| 14:02.46 | PeTeRB | greycat: If I knew how, I would :P |
| 14:02.46 | Phated | PeTeRB: See above. Learn. |
| 14:02.49 | positrix | how did this go from "the americans modified the english language to make spelling "simpler" to a discussion of the origins of language several hundred years ago?? |
| 14:02.50 | tra1a1a | is everyone able to fsck up with dpkg database? |
| 14:03.06 | streuner | yes |
| 14:03.07 | sobersabre | how can i see if the previous package contains initrd inside it or instruction to prepare one ? |
| 14:03.14 | j_k | tra1a1a: you mean rm /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 14:03.18 | sobersabre | i don't remember what i did! |
| 14:03.26 | j_k | tra1a1a: I think we can all do it :-) |
| 14:03.29 | positrix | !dpkg fuck me |
| 14:03.30 | greycat | dpkg, stfw =~ s/ ||/./ |
| 14:03.30 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 14:03.44 | positrix | yes, any one can fsk dpkg |
| 14:03.51 | j_k | sobersabre: mhhh.. install it? |
| 14:04.02 | tra1a1a | hmm |
| 14:04.03 | sobersabre | j_k, i have it already installed.... |
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| 14:04.13 | sobersabre | i just will see then in /boot... |
| 14:04.20 | j_k | sobersabre: yes. |
| 14:04.52 | sobersabre | thanks. |
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| 14:05.03 | greycat | dpkg, no, stfw is Search The Fucking Web, a modern incarnation of RTFM. <http://google.com/>, <http://google.com/linux>, <http://www.google.com/help/index.html>, <http://groups.google.com/>, <http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif>, <http://tldp.org/>. |
| 14:05.03 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 14:05.28 | iskywalker_ | Hi, i got a big problem, seems i have too many files in a directory, find doest return, but it consumes cpu time... |
| 14:05.43 | iskywalker_ | find -name "*.dat" -printf "%f\n" |
| 14:06.11 | iskywalker_ | does tell me nothing, and i know i shoul;d have thousands of *.dat files |
| 14:06.13 | greycat | iskywalker_: it *will* finish. eventually. |
| 14:06.17 | iskywalker_ | anyone a idea? |
| 14:06.22 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 14:06.22 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 three-legged hamsters. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 14:06.28 | iskywalker_ | rm -r dir has also problems... |
| 14:06.42 | j_k | iskywalker_: also, prefer single quotes in such cases, to prevent shell globbing. |
| 14:07.07 | greycat | j_k: it won't glob *.dat through double quotes. But his \-constructions may be affected. |
| 14:07.08 | iskywalker_ | j_k: that isnt the problem of quotes... |
| 14:07.09 | b_52GM | do you know a irc proxy!? |
| 14:07.19 | tra1a1a | iskywalker_: it seems that: 1) your find is missing a target dir; 2) you have one more -printf than needed |
| 14:07.23 | greycat | b_52GM: NO! |
| 14:07.27 | iskywalker_ | even find -type f | xargs -n 50 rm doesnt work... |
| 14:07.36 | b_52GM | greycat , ok :) |
| 14:07.55 | greycat | b_52GM: or maybe we should say.... hey, why don't *you* tell *us* about your irc proxies, so we can FUCKING BAN THEM ALL!! |
| 14:07.57 | j_k | greycat: ah, yes. I was somehow sure it would. |
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| 14:08.14 | tra1a1a | iskywalker_: man find will work though |
| 14:08.29 | PerfDave | iskywalker_: Use null-terminated stuff |
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| 14:08.34 | b_52GM | greycat, because i was ban on channel and i need to get in so......... |
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| 14:08.53 | iskywalker_ | like i said if i do a rm -r dirname, it doesnt work either... |
| 14:09.04 | gAndanOia | Hi pple |
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| 14:09.17 | greycat | b_52GM: I can see why they banned you. Keep on in this vein, and we'll do it again. |
| 14:09.30 | greycat | b_52GM: consider this your last warning, script kiddie asshole. |
| 14:09.33 | [2D2D]Supporter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:09.40 | gAndanOia | I'm new in Debian world, and I'm gonna make a stupid question: |
| 14:09.49 | j_k | iskywalker_: what does rm say? |
| 14:09.49 | devazion | gAndanOia, thanks for the warning. |
| 14:09.55 | iskywalker_ | nothing |
| 14:10.09 | Nermal | [2D2D]Supporter, ran out of ram ? |
| 14:10.13 | j_k | iskywalker_: and it's no network mounted stuff? |
| 14:10.17 | greycat | iskywalker_: you just have to be patient. Go take a nap while it's working. |
| 14:10.17 | iskywalker_ | ohh it works... after 10 minutes... |
| 14:10.17 | gAndanOia | anyone can help me how setup KDE in a recent Debian instalation (test) ? |
| 14:10.30 | greycat | gAndanOia: apt-get install kde |
| 14:10.31 | stouset | gAndanOia: apt-get install x-window-system-core kdm kde |
| 14:10.32 | PerfDave | [2D2D]Supporter: Have you tried using "nice" on the compile job? |
| 14:10.33 | iskywalker_ | sry ppl |
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| 14:10.45 | devazion | gAndanOia, and then after you installed them you start kdm as root :) |
| 14:10.54 | greycat | devazion: uh, no, it does that itself. |
| 14:10.55 | b_52GM | greycat , i kicked .. ; beacause :"abuse of power" |
| 14:10.57 | [2D2D]Supporter | PerfDave: no, how? |
| 14:10.57 | iskywalker_ | jesus, with that velocity i will still be waiting in 2 years... |
| 14:11.02 | b_52GM | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:11.10 | devazion | greycat, oh really? :| i remember i had to start gdm myself |
| 14:11.12 | Nermal | byeeee |
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| 14:11.15 | gAndanOia | ok, so i need alll that, i've done just apt-get kde :) |
| 14:11.19 | gAndanOia | thnks |
| 14:11.22 | PerfDave | [2D2D]Supporter: man nice |
| 14:11.27 | [2D2D]Supporter | tnx |
| 14:11.37 | resiak | !greycat++ |
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| 14:11.56 | b_52GM | greycat, it's not kinnd :) |
| 14:11.59 | Phated | !greycat++ |
| 14:12.05 | PerfDave | !tnx |
| 14:12.05 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
| 14:12.05 | Phated | If you'll do it again! :) |
| 14:12.07 | greycat | Asking for a "proxy" so you can evade a ban? THAT is unkind. |
| 14:12.39 | devazion | b_52GM, I know this place... Its called QuakeNet! Go get it! |
| 14:12.41 | b_52GM | greycat, ok sorry to hurt you |
| 14:12.46 | tra1a1a | b_52GM: ah, and btw go /msg your girlfriend and leave us alone |
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| 14:13.11 | b_52GM | tra1a1a, i foreget about her nick i only know that he start wtith s |
| 14:13.12 | b_52GM | :) |
| 14:13.18 | tra1a1a | or... you're going to become dpkg's girlfriend! |
| 14:13.29 | Nermal | or bitch.. |
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| 14:14.01 | Phated | Ehm... Not knowing your girlfriend's nick is... kind of leading to that relationship ending, anyway. |
| 14:14.08 | [2D2D]Supporter | It's a funny thing, I never experienced consequent hanging on when compiling before. I fear something is terrible wrong somewhere. The machine is quite powerful 2.4ghz / 512 MB ram. |
| 14:14.10 | tra1a1a | b_52GM: don't worry you'll find another one |
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| 14:14.18 | greycat | Phated: any relationship is purely in his imagination, I'm sure. |
| 14:14.24 | devazion | Phated, i call my girlfriend "dear"... But nick was taken already so she dont use irc... |
| 14:14.25 | Phated | greycat: Yes, of course. |
| 14:14.28 | Nermal | [2D2D]Supporter, swap / ram usage ? |
| 14:14.40 | b_52GM | waaw |
| 14:14.49 | Phated | devazion: I commiserate, I truly do. |
| 14:14.53 | b_52GM | ook i'm sorry to start talking about proxy |
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| 14:15.01 | Delph | an/win 8 |
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| 14:15.09 | Delph | (sorry) |
| 14:15.09 | b_52GM | i didn't think that this subject will mae you angry...... |
| 14:15.12 | Thanatermesis | please, any person control "dialog" ? |
| 14:15.17 | stouset | Dammit, where is my DWN update? :-( I've got nothing to do for an hour at work. |
| 14:15.18 | wintix | b_52GM: so simply just stop talking. |
| 14:15.19 | greycat | no, it's out of control. |
| 14:15.21 | tra1a1a | [2D2D]Supporter: you could be either running out of memory or running into hardware problems (overheating?) |
| 14:15.32 | b_52GM | wintix, yess searr |
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| 14:16.42 | stouset | Ah sweet, they have the unfinished one online. |
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| 14:17.09 | stouset | Wow, kind of bare. |
| 14:17.32 | Thanatermesis | how to posible user choices one line for a list.txt of 1000 lines with dialog ? |
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| 14:17.49 | greycat | fuckin' hell... asking in #bash wasn't enough? |
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| 14:18.06 | greycat | read the man page! figure it out! google for examples! |
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| 14:18.24 | devazion | phew, life is hard |
| 14:18.25 | wintix | oh, greycat is in a bad mood ;) |
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| 14:19.05 | PerfDave | [2D2D]Supporter: Are you sure that all compilation processes are finished when you've quit your compile job? use ps. |
| 14:19.12 | KerPlunk | If I download a program like azureus...in binary form... I know I can put the folder _anywhere_ and it will work fine... |
| 14:19.18 | KerPlunk | But where should I put the program? |
| 14:19.33 | mosty | kerplunk, eh? |
| 14:19.42 | positrix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.47 | wintix | KerPlunk: u can put it where u like it. |
| 14:19.48 | mosty | KerPlunk: oh i see. put it in /usr/local/bin/ |
| 14:19.53 | [2D2D]Supporter | Nermal: have 512 mb ram and 296 mb swap |
| 14:19.55 | resiak | KerPlunk: /usr/local or /opt |
| 14:19.56 | greycat | KerPlunk: /usr/local/bin |
| 14:20.04 | resiak | KerPlunk: Anywhere else is apt's domain. |
| 14:20.20 | [2D2D]Supporter | PerfDave: yes, they are finished. |
| 14:20.49 | positrix | resiak: except for /home/ ;) |
| 14:20.54 | fabit | hi |
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| 14:21.23 | resiak | positrix: Don't me come over there and beat you with a stick :) |
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| 14:23.04 | ttchispa | hola |
| 14:23.08 | resiak | Delph: Don't tell them that. They like pain. :) |
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| 14:23.20 | ttchispa | alguien puede ayudarme? |
| 14:23.23 | greycat | !es |
| 14:23.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:23.42 | ttchispa | gracias |
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| 14:23.57 | tra1a1a | greycat: gui hater! |
| 14:24.39 | positrix | greycat: does emacs under ratpoison count as a gui? |
| 14:24.49 | greycat | tra1a1a: I am, at this very moment, running bittornado inside screen, to which I'm (re)attached by ssh and the loving magic of 'screen -x', and that ssh is inside *another* screen. You can't do that with a GUI. |
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| 14:25.25 | stouset | Sure. ssh -x :-) |
| 14:25.37 | petemc | greycat: you could do a reasonable approximation of it with ssh -x or rfb or something |
| 14:25.38 | wintix | screen rockz |
| 14:25.40 | greycat | you can't reattach to a GUI application using ssh -X. |
| 14:25.55 | greycat | if you logout of X, the GUI *dies*. |
| 14:26.01 | petemc | rfb then |
| 14:26.01 | Delph | whatever happened to that screen-for-x project, i can't even remember what it was called. |
| 14:26.09 | wintix | greycat: maybe with vnc |
| 14:26.16 | [2D2D]Supporter | What would be a reccomended swap size for 512 MB RAM? |
| 14:26.18 | positrix | Delph: ratpoison? |
| 14:26.27 | greycat | or maybe I'll just use nice sensible console apps that *work* :) |
| 14:26.29 | tra1a1a | greycat: I'm currently using kde so my wife can use the damn computer as well. You can't make my wife use a computer without a GUI! |
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| 14:26.44 | Delph | positrix: uhhm. again. screen as in detachable & reattachable. |
| 14:26.47 | greycat | tra1a1a: ctrl-alt-F8 gets you to your non-KDE screen. |
| 14:26.47 | wintix | greycat: ok. i do so too :) |
| 14:26.56 | Delph | if ratpoision lets me move X apps about, then i'll be impressed. |
| 14:27.00 | greycat | tra1a1a: or didn't you have enough sense to use "startx -- :1" for yourself? :) |
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| 14:27.28 | tra1a1a | greycat: on the other hand konsole gets me there too |
| 14:27.37 | resiak | Delph: Did it get anywhere? |
| 14:28.13 | tra1a1a | plus it has tabs! now how neet is that! |
| 14:28.32 | Delph | resiak: i don't think so. |
| 14:29.08 | positrix | Eterm -t Escreen does tabs. (sort of) |
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| 14:30.29 | tra1a1a | konsole is just fine and since I have plenty of resources to waste I wouln't bother wasting my time to learn how to use anything else than kde |
| 14:30.55 | tra1a1a | s/woul/would/ |
| 14:31.11 | PerfDave | kdm has some easy-to-setup multiple X server fu |
| 14:31.19 | [2D2D]Supporter | I'm beginning to wonder if that hang can be heating related, though I have alarm on 70 degrees celcius. Running with an open chassis now to check... |
| 14:31.20 | PerfDave | I use it when I'm sharing the desktop with the grilf |
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| 14:31.26 | resiak | Delph: Shame. |
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| 14:32.32 | f00bar | anyone know how to import mutt maildirs into evolution? |
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| 14:33.31 | tra1a1a | I had thoughts about using 2 Xs but didn't want to get my wife confused in switching between them and also didn't want to bother setting up everything for another user too |
| 14:33.41 | f00bar | oops, did anyone answer my question during that brief interlude :) |
| 14:33.57 | greycat | f00bar: nope. |
| 14:34.17 | greycat | as for evolution... isn't that an IMAP client? |
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| 14:35.02 | Delph | f00bar: *prods nextdoor neighbours* |
| 14:35.13 | Delph | isn't there a funky import thing? |
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| 14:36.07 | stouset | greycat: Yes. |
| 14:36.21 | positrix | greycat: evolution does all sorts of mail protoclas. not just IMAP. |
| 14:36.38 | positrix | s/protoclas/prtotocols |
| 14:36.40 | greycat | so run courier-imap and have it serve your Maildir to the IMAP client portion of it. |
| 14:37.00 | greycat | or dovecot, or bincimap |
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| 14:37.22 | giupy_ | hi all |
| 14:37.31 | tra1a1a | hi, giupy_ |
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| 14:38.06 | giupy_ | i have this line in my fstab /dev/hdg1 /giupy-all xfs rw,user,auto , but i can't write in that partition with my user, what i need ? |
| 14:38.16 | giupy_ | hi tra1a1a :) |
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| 14:39.20 | tra1a1a | giupy : to mount it as user, i.e. s/auto/noauto/ maybe? |
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| 14:39.49 | giupy | tra1a1a, well i must mount it as normal user first ? |
| 14:39.49 | incorrect | which is better mrtg or cacti? |
| 14:39.55 | f00bar | Delph: import apparantly doesnt support maildir format :( |
| 14:39.59 | [2D2D]Supporter | giupy: Refresh the exports? |
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| 14:40.13 | f00bar | greycat: imap client as well as pop3 etc |
| 14:40.24 | giupy | [2D2D]Supporter, uh ? |
| 14:40.33 | tra1a1a | giupy : or add uid=xxx,gid=xxx to the options? or set the permissions for the user? |
| 14:40.44 | tra1a1a | [2D2D]Supporter: xfs != nfs |
| 14:40.51 | [2D2D]Supporter | Ah, sorry :) |
| 14:40.54 | f00bar | maybe there is a way to convert a maildir into an mbox file :) |
| 14:40.56 | mosty | f00bar: there's no need to import if you're using imap |
| 14:41.10 | f00bar | the messages are only stored locally |
| 14:41.14 | Delph | f00bar: well, run foorandom imap client, connect evolution to that to get the data, then throw it away again. |
| 14:41.24 | Delph | uhhm, s/imap client/imap server/ |
| 14:41.39 | giupy | tra1a1a, chmod ? |
| 14:41.55 | tra1a1a | yeah, baby |
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| 14:42.10 | f00bar | there must be a better way than setting up an imap server :P |
| 14:42.13 | giupy | baby? mmmm |
| 14:42.16 | ttz | hi, any GNU make guru around ? |
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| 14:42.35 | tra1a1a | ttz: try #gnu-make-guru-squad |
| 14:42.42 | Delph | f00bar: well, it's your own problem for using that ... thing. |
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| 14:42.57 | greycat | f00bar: think Long Term. |
| 14:43.07 | greycat | f00bar: ultimately, you'll WANT to have an imap server. |
| 14:43.10 | ttz | lol tra1a1a |
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| 14:44.11 | resiak | Hell, Evolution can read maildirs. |
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| 14:45.04 | Matalo | hi what program could i use in windows that is similar to remotedesktop to view gnome from remote? |
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| 14:45.26 | pureone | http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/lcds/ |
| 14:45.40 | devazion | Matalo, VNC Tightvncviewer |
| 14:45.41 | greycat | !tell ttz about ask |
| 14:45.54 | devazion | Matalo, and use vino in gnome. |
| 14:46.04 | Matalo | oki thans |
| 14:46.11 | f00bar | greycat: no i dont |
| 14:46.12 | Matalo | thanks ;) |
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| 14:47.03 | f00bar | there is in fact a program called maildir2mbox |
| 14:47.07 | f00bar | supplied with qmail :) |
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| 14:48.07 | greycat | yeah, but that would be STUPID. |
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| 14:48.26 | dev_alex | what's a tool I can use to build a pool style debin package repository from a pile of hand rolled packages? |
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| 14:48.30 | PerfDave | There's also mb2md for converting your mail spools into something an IMAP server can read ;) |
| 14:48.33 | PerfDave | dev_alex: apt-move |
| 14:48.44 | BehnaM | hi how can i remove xfce desktop |
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| 14:49.02 | BehnaM | apt-remove xfce ? |
| 14:49.08 | greycat | man apt-get |
| 14:49.25 | dev_alex | apt-remove --purge xface, one needs to be sure :-p |
| 14:49.26 | BehnaM | aha ok |
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| 14:50.03 | dev_alex | PerlDave : you don't by any chance happen to have the command handy would you? I can't quite seem to get it do what I want |
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| 14:50.21 | SlayerXP | BehnaM: you've now asked how to install something, and how to remove it. READ THE FRICKING NEWBIE GUIDE |
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| 14:50.54 | BehnaM | slayerxp were is it ? |
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| 14:51.03 | SlayerXP | !tell BehnaM about newbie guide |
| 14:51.11 | SlayerXP | !tell BehnaM about newbie |
| 14:51.14 | SlayerXP | bah |
| 14:51.44 | BehnaM | ahan dpkg told me thanks all |
| 14:51.46 | SlayerXP | BehnaM: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tutorial.en.html |
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| 14:52.42 | Sji | Good morning. |
| 14:53.21 | BehnaM | ok |
| 14:53.33 | positrix | lol: "bleeding-edge potato box" |
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| 14:54.22 | Sji | Guys Iam having a problem with the Sarge distro, when I add a user, next day when he login, it says access denied, and his psy gets down as well, can anyone help me? |
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| 14:55.10 | nexuslab_ | hi people |
| 14:55.27 | snooo | if apt-get upgrade fails to download pkgs which it has been told have been updated, is this a repository problem? |
| 14:55.31 | PerfDave | "his psy gets down as well" |
| 14:55.36 | nexuslab_ | i have this |
| 14:55.38 | nexuslab_ | acer382:/home/nexus# modprobe acpi |
| 14:55.38 | nexuslab_ | FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.11-smart/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): Device or resource busy |
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| 14:55.43 | nexuslab_ | someone can help? |
| 14:55.46 | uragano | hi everyone, who can help me for configure an ALS4000 sound card ? Debian Sarge |
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| 14:56.15 | Sji | Guys Iam having a problem with the Sarge distro, when I add a user, next day when he login, it says access denied, and his psy gets down as well, can anyone help me? |
| 14:56.18 | nexuslab_ | uragano try alsacfg |
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| 14:56.28 | nexuslab_ | uragano try alsaconf |
| 14:56.33 | snooo | If it is a repository problem, where can one find a list of repoistories? |
| 14:56.38 | BehnaM | how can i get kernel source 2.6.11 with apt-get from internet |
| 14:56.52 | PerfDave | !tell Sji -about repeat |
| 14:56.53 | greycat | snooo: /msg dpkg mirrors or just run apt-setup |
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| 14:57.02 | snooo | greycat: cheers |
| 14:57.03 | dev_alex | apt-get install kernel-image-.... |
| 14:57.03 | greycat | BehnaM: it's only in unstable. |
| 14:57.19 | BehnaM | i like to try |
| 14:57.33 | nexuslab_ | someone know the solution to this problem? |
| 14:57.44 | uragano | nexuslab_: in which cd is alsaconf ? i have just two |
| 14:57.46 | nexuslab_ | acer382:/home/nexus# modprobe acpi |
| 14:57.47 | nexuslab_ | FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.11-smart/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 14:57.58 | BehnaM | ok |
| 14:58.00 | PeTeRB | BehnaM: kernel-source-2.6.11 package |
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| 14:58.04 | CrAzYWolF | question how do i download something to my linux box over the command line? |
| 14:58.12 | jetscreamer | wget |
| 14:58.12 | nexuslab_ | uragano i dont know i installed from net sources |
| 14:58.13 | Mage\work | wget |
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| 14:58.14 | PeTeRB | man wget |
| 14:58.18 | CrAzYWolF | ok thx |
| 14:58.19 | PerfDave | CrAzYWolF: From where? Probably you want wget for FTP or HTTP |
| 14:58.24 | CrAzYWolF | HTTP |
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| 14:58.34 | PerfDave | Then you want wget ;) |
| 14:58.35 | jetscreamer | both |
| 14:58.41 | Mage\work | wget works with ftp too.. |
| 14:58.42 | CrAzYWolF | cool let me see |
| 14:58.44 | CrAzYWolF | thx |
| 14:59.09 | BehnaM | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.25 | nexuslab_ | i have a acer tm 382 with centrino (and smart battery...sigh) however my problem is this |
| 14:59.26 | nexuslab_ | acer382:/home/nexus# modprobe acpi |
| 14:59.26 | nexuslab_ | FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.11-smart/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): Device or resource busy |
| 14:59.35 | nexuslab_ | do u know the reason?? |
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| 14:59.54 | nexuslab_ | i use powernowd to scale cpu freq and it works great |
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| 15:00.51 | BehnaM | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:00.51 | BehnaM | bu it wont work |
| 15:01.24 | Sji | Guys, the woody is more stable than sarge, thats right? |
| 15:01.27 | nexuslab_ | dont write package |
| 15:01.32 | greycat | Sji: supposed to be. |
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| 15:01.54 | Delph | Sji: the woody is stable, as in unchanging. |
| 15:02.03 | PeTeRB | BehnaM: I suppose you need the word "install" in there ;) |
| 15:02.10 | Delph | (plus or minus security fixes) |
| 15:02.14 | Sji | Sarge is really bad for shell hosting, it made me loose my mind! |
| 15:02.15 | BehnaM | aha ok thanks |
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| 15:02.25 | pif | m |
| 15:02.34 | mtnman | sji: well, you wouldn't want to have a tight mind, anyhow. |
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| 15:02.46 | nexuslab_ | FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.11-smart/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): Device or resource busy ..... any ideas???? |
| 15:02.49 | Sji | mtnman: with linux, lol |
| 15:03.03 | nexuslab_ | after modprobe acpi i have.....FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.11-smart/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): Device or resource busy ..... any ideas???? |
| 15:03.13 | greycat | Sji: what specific problem did you have? |
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| 15:04.07 | Sji | greycat: when i add a shell user, the next day when he login, it says access denied, so he loose his psy & etc.. |
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| 15:04.16 | zol1 | g'day |
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| 15:04.29 | mtnman | sji: note that there is a difference between "loose" and "lose" |
| 15:04.46 | Sji | mtnman: my english isnt perfect :) |
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| 15:05.01 | PeTeRB | mtnman: What about "looose" ? |
| 15:05.17 | mtnman | peterb: escapes me |
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| 15:05.35 | quitte | loose,lose,lost? |
| 15:05.47 | mtnman | sji: well, now you have learned something about english, if not what is the problem with your sarge box. |
| 15:05.47 | kamilmirza | i downloaded debian-30r5-i386-binary-NONUS.iso & debian-30r5-i386-binary-2.iso & install it - but packages are to old? -;) - can anyone explain |
| 15:05.57 | Sji | whats the difference between "apt-get update" & "apt-get upgrade" ? |
| 15:06.15 | mtnman | sji: man apt-get will tell you. |
| 15:06.16 | jethro | Sji: man apt-get |
| 15:06.18 | zol1 | Sji: update refreshs the list, upgrade the installed packages |
| 15:06.23 | Gwildor | Sji, update jsut updates you package listing....upgrade actually upgrades the packages |
| 15:06.41 | Sji | ok :)) |
| 15:06.45 | KerPlunk | Sji if you do apt-get update(6 months ago) |
| 15:06.47 | zol1 | i'd recommend against upgrade |
| 15:06.48 | KerPlunk | And then you do apt-get upgrade |
| 15:06.56 | KerPlunk | It will try to upgrade from package listings 6 months ago |
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| 15:07.05 | Sji | aha, I got it, thx :)) |
| 15:07.13 | jf3 | Anyone using apt-listbugs ? Do you need to pipe a list of packages that will be upgraded to it? |
| 15:07.52 | pnu | jf3: no, it just tells you during apt-get upgrade |
| 15:08.09 | jethro | jf3: it runs when you apt-get upgrade |
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| 15:08.33 | jf3 | ok, so I don't have to run it manually? |
| 15:08.55 | jethro | jf3: no you don't |
| 15:08.55 | pnu | no |
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| 15:09.16 | jf3 | Thanks for the help, jethro & pnu |
| 15:09.19 | Sji | "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." |
| 15:09.22 | Sji | :)) |
| 15:09.25 | Triffid_Hunter | help, my serial port won't go slower than 115200 baud.. setserial /dev/ttyS0 baud_base 9600 spd_cust divisor 4 (which is sposed to set it to 1200) doesn't do anything |
| 15:09.44 | Sji | Now Iv updated all the packages, right? |
| 15:09.50 | jethro | jf3: welcome |
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| 15:10.26 | stouset | Sji: yes. |
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| 15:10.33 | Sji | SWEET. |
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| 15:11.11 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 15:11.44 | gypsymauro | I'm trying to use sl-modem modules and daemon, I can call my provider but after a while i get an error "NO CARRIER"..any hint? |
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| 15:12.11 | cfh_dev | I need to patch the libsasl2 package's source. How do I grab the source for that from apt? |
| 15:12.21 | Sji | Iv just installed the "xchat" prog, well how could I use it? |
| 15:12.24 | toresbe | gypsymauro: odd |
| 15:12.28 | toresbe | gypsymauro: might be a bug |
| 15:12.42 | toresbe | gypsymauro: or you're dialling something that isn't a computer |
| 15:12.46 | petemc | cfh_dev: is this for open-exchange? |
| 15:12.58 | gypsymauro | yes I'm toresbe I can hear modems talking |
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| 15:13.31 | toresbe | gypsymauro: are you hearing both ends? |
| 15:13.36 | toresbe | odd |
| 15:13.38 | gypsymauro | no:( |
| 15:13.44 | cfh_dev | petemc, it's for postfix and using md5 passwords stored in MySQL |
| 15:13.44 | gypsymauro | I mean I can hear mine |
| 15:13.45 | Sji | Guys, Iv just installed the "xchat" prog, well how could I use it? |
| 15:13.55 | toresbe | this smell, it smells like Mærklin train motors |
| 15:13.57 | PerfDave | Sji: Run "xchat"? |
| 15:14.02 | PerfDave | Sji: irssi is better though :) |
| 15:14.02 | toresbe | that's not a good smell to have from the kitchen |
| 15:14.20 | Phated | Oooh, æ! |
| 15:14.26 | Sji | It says this: |
| 15:14.26 | Sji | Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 15:14.41 | Phated | Are you trying to run it from X? |
| 15:14.48 | Sji | nope |
| 15:14.50 | Bingo | hello, what do you think about using an installation of knoppix? |
| 15:15.15 | Phated | Sji: ... Xchat. X. X. Chat... Get the idea? |
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| 15:15.33 | PeTeRB | Sji: You could try xchat-text, but it sucks |
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| 15:16.01 | Solet-deb | Running Windows on a Pentium is like having a brand new Porsche but only |
| 15:16.02 | Solet-deb | be able to drive backwards with the handbrake on. |
| 15:16.04 | Solet-deb | (Unknown source) |
| 15:16.05 | PerfDave | Bingo: It's a bad idea, and isn't supported here. #knoppix seems to be prettu useless :) |
| 15:16.13 | Phated | If you really wanted to, wouldn't you use irssi or something instead? |
| 15:16.19 | Sji | what about the "irssi-text" ? |
| 15:16.22 | Sji | how to use? |
| 15:16.25 | PerfDave | Sji: irssi |
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| 15:16.27 | ivoks | Solet-deb: lol, but debian isn't much better :) |
| 15:16.36 | ivoks | at least, default install :) |
| 15:16.48 | PerfDave | Debian's fine on my Pentium. |
| 15:16.50 | Bingo | ok PerfDave |
| 15:16.50 | greycat | Sji: apt-get install irssi-text; irssi |
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| 15:16.56 | petemc | cfh_dev: ahh, add a deb-src line to sources.list, apt-get source package |
| 15:16.57 | ivoks | :) |
| 15:17.07 | Sji | well, it opened a window! |
| 15:17.07 | cfh_dev | petemc, thanks |
| 15:17.07 | ^Duffy^ | hmm, I actually got a support ticket from a customer having a dedicated server hosted here, asking why bitchx wouldnt run as root |
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| 15:17.09 | PerfDave | Bingo: Install Debian instead, it's much better :) |
| 15:17.12 | Sji | lol, it seems hard! |
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| 15:17.24 | petemc | cfh_dev: theres more involved in building it as, ask when you get that far |
| 15:17.37 | ivoks | but... |
| 15:17.39 | PerfDave | Sji: /connect irc.debian.org |
| 15:17.40 | ivoks | be realistic :) |
| 15:17.42 | PerfDave | Sji: /join #debian |
| 15:17.53 | quitte | ivoks go join #gentoo. |
| 15:17.58 | PerfDave | ivoks: What the hell are you talking about? |
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| 15:18.12 | ivoks | quitte: :) i tried... debian is my first love :) |
| 15:18.23 | Bingo | PerfDave, it's what i'm doing but I have big probleme with ndiswrapper. it was so easy with knoppix |
| 15:18.50 | ivoks | PerfDave: debian compile options don't take everything out of your pentium |
| 15:18.56 | PerfDave | Bingo: Ah, you should buy hardware that's supported by Linux ;) |
| 15:18.58 | ivoks | PerfDave: but, that's irrelevant... |
| 15:19.13 | PerfDave | ivoks: Debian compile options don't take everything out of my quad Opteron either ;) |
| 15:19.14 | quitte | ivoks running gentoo is like driving slightly downhill to stay with the car comparisons |
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| 15:19.24 | Sji | well, Iam in here now, But It dont talk |
| 15:19.25 | Sji | @! |
| 15:19.26 | ravenbird | from memory, ! is what my sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not |
| 15:19.33 | Bingo | PerfDave true |
| 15:19.42 | Sji | thats me :pP |
| 15:19.45 | PerfDave | Bingo: Perhaps if you tell us what problem you're having, we'll be able to help :) |
| 15:19.48 | ivoks | quitte: I agree... i disklike gentoo |
| 15:19.52 | quitte | and installing gentoo is like having a car in the garaage at full throttle |
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| 15:20.42 | cfh_dev | petemc, so I have the src downloaded. What next? |
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| 15:21.10 | jethro | quitte: installing gentoo is like changing the motor of your low end car for a F1 motor, but to run a 20mph |
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| 15:21.16 | Sji` | hi |
| 15:21.24 | Sji` | wahoo, It works :)) |
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| 15:21.44 | gall | Where is kernel ? |
| 15:21.49 | Sji` | ! |
| 15:21.52 | gall | My /usr/src is empty ? |
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| 15:22.00 | PerfDave | Installing Gentoo is like spending eight hours manually tuning your engine when you don't know what you're doing, so it ends up running more slowly :) |
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| 15:22.10 | PerfDave | gall: Have you installed a kernel-source package? |
| 15:22.19 | gall | PerfDave: no |
| 15:22.21 | jethro | PerfDave: :) |
| 15:22.25 | Bingo | i installed debian testing, all my hardwre were found but not my WMP54G :-( |
| 15:22.26 | gall | PerfDave: gentoo is great :> |
| 15:22.29 | PerfDave | gall: That would be a good start :) |
| 15:22.31 | petemc | cfh_dev: cd into the debian directory, make your changes |
| 15:22.50 | ivoks | gall: gentoo has great parts, but shole picture isn't great |
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| 15:22.57 | ivoks | s/shole/whole/ |
| 15:23.09 | gall | PerfDave: Where are 2.6 kernels ? |
| 15:23.25 | PerfDave | gall: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 15:23.25 | cfh_dev | petemc, I don't see an .c files. Where are those? |
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| 15:23.29 | ivoks | gall: on ftp.kernel.org |
| 15:23.30 | PerfDave | gall: There are no 2.6 kernels in Woody. |
| 15:23.31 | gall | ivoks: I use gentoo aprox one year :> And i thinf that gentoo as desktop is good :> |
| 15:23.37 | Patrick` | yo, I heard there was a flamewar going on? |
| 15:23.41 | wers | has anyone gotten kismet to work with a ipw2200 driver? |
| 15:23.55 | PerfDave | Bingo: Have you tried installing ndiswrapper? |
| 15:23.55 | BehnaM | were is kernel its not in /usr/src |
| 15:23.55 | petemc | cfh_dev: this is a little too involved for me to talk you through, you really need to go off and read some docs |
| 15:24.01 | gall | PerfDave: But i could use kernel from kernel.org and all will work ? |
| 15:24.01 | ivoks | gall: nah... i tried... i don't have time to compile whole openoffice for minor change |
| 15:24.02 | quitte | Patrick`: oh. yes but it never really got started. put some petrol in |
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| 15:24.06 | PerfDave | gall: On Woody? No. |
| 15:24.08 | Patrick` | quitte: ah, ok |
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| 15:24.20 | gall | ok |
| 15:24.22 | PerfDave | gall: /msg dpkg bunk2.6 |
| 15:24.27 | gall | o will try with this 2.4 kernel :> |
| 15:24.30 | cfh_dev | petemc, okay. I'll probably just grab the src from cyrus. I've worked with that before and don't mind doing the full build |
| 15:24.34 | thom___ | How can I set up ftpd to restrict uploading only to the apache2-default directory? |
| 15:24.36 | cfh_dev | petemc, thanks for the help |
| 15:24.39 | Sji | how to read the help file in the irssi? whats its name? |
| 15:24.44 | petemc | cfh_dev: np |
| 15:24.45 | thom___ | In fact how do I just lock them in there? |
| 15:24.47 | amorphovs | Hey all, I've been going nuts for about a month trying to get my cdrom drive to work in kernel 2.6. It works perfectly fine in 2.4 but 2.6 doesn't recognize it AT ALL. It doesn't show up in dmesg or lspci and if i try to mount it from either /dev/cdrom, /dev/hdc or a few others ive tried (-t iso9660) it says its not a valid block device. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 15:24.53 | PerfDave | Sji: Look in /usr/share/doc/irssi* ? |
| 15:25.07 | PerfDave | cfh_dev: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 15:25.16 | Triffid_Hunter | PerfDave: why not? i've used vanilla kernels on woody with no problems? |
| 15:25.26 | PerfDave | Triffid_Hunter: 2.6 ones? |
| 15:25.30 | ivoks | isn't woody a bit outdated gall? :) |
| 15:25.34 | Triffid_Hunter | yeah |
| 15:25.38 | PerfDave | Woody's still fine for many purposes. |
| 15:25.44 | petemc | Triffid_Hunter: load any modules on that those kernels did ya? |
| 15:25.47 | cfh_dev | PerfDave, thanks for the tip |
| 15:26.10 | Bingo | PerfDave, yes : I installed a kernel-source package, recompilling my kernel, installing ndiswrapper,and when I compilled the ndismodule I have some error |
| 15:26.11 | petemc | s/that// |
| 15:26.21 | PerfDave | Bingo: Why did you recompile your kernel? |
| 15:26.23 | Triffid_Hunter | yeah.. i make everything as modules until i know exactly what i need, then compile it in and leave the rest as modules.. |
| 15:26.24 | ivoks | PerfDave: it is fine, but... sarge is fine too :) |
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| 15:26.31 | ivoks | even finer :) |
| 15:26.41 | PerfDave | ivoks: That's a matter of opinion :) |
| 15:26.45 | dabreegster | amorphovs: lsmod|grep cd is telling me I have ide_cd and cdrom loaded. try modprobing those maybe? |
| 15:26.48 | Bingo | PerfDave I thougt it was the methode |
| 15:27.00 | petemc | Triffid_Hunter: 2.6 kernels need a package that woody doesnt have to load modules... |
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| 15:27.13 | PerfDave | Bingo: No. Install and use a Debian kernel-imate, then install module-assisant and use that to compile ndiswrapper for you. |
| 15:27.17 | PerfDave | s/imate/image/ |
| 15:27.25 | ivoks | but, seriously, i wouldn't use debian for desktop :( |
| 15:27.40 | petemc | s/debian/woody/ |
| 15:27.40 | jethro | ivoks: you should, e17 is the greatest desktop I ever tried! |
| 15:27.51 | Triffid_Hunter | petemc: woody doesn't have vanilla kernel sources either, unless i'm very much mistaken |
| 15:27.51 | ivoks | jethro: i tried that about year ago :) |
| 15:27.52 | jethro | now if you talk about woody, that would be a pain, I agree |
| 15:27.58 | jethro | ivoks: it wasn't working by then |
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| 15:28.07 | PerfDave | Woody is fine as a desktop too :) |
| 15:28.08 | ivoks | jethro: sarge is a bit outdated for a desktop |
| 15:28.14 | ivoks | jethro: it has gtk, what? |
| 15:28.16 | ivoks | 2.6? |
| 15:28.18 | PerfDave | ivoks: In what way? |
| 15:28.19 | jethro | ivoks: gtk? |
| 15:28.21 | dabreegster | I use Debian as my desktop. Try, my desktop consists of a spiced up console... |
| 15:28.24 | jethro | ivoks: are you kidding me? |
| 15:28.29 | ivoks | jethro: nope |
| 15:28.40 | PerfDave | What's wrong with Sarge as a desktop? |
| 15:28.51 | jethro | ivoks: I use sid as a desktop but wouldn't recommend one to do it, since sid needs some skills (not trying to show up) |
| 15:28.57 | petemc | Triffid_Hunter: right, but getting a kernel from kernel.org doesnt automagically grab you module-init-tools, so if you're telling people vanilla kernels work fine on woody, you should probably mention that |
| 15:28.58 | mtnman | perfdave: woody desktops are much nicer than the formica variety. |
| 15:29.00 | ivoks | sarge has gtk 2.6 |
| 15:29.06 | ivoks | gtk2.6 is bad, very bad |
| 15:29.11 | Bingo | what is kernel-imate |
| 15:29.11 | jethro | ivoks: the whole point in e17 is to get rid of gtk like stuff |
| 15:29.11 | ivoks | 2.8 is much much better |
| 15:29.14 | PerfDave | ivoks: I don't use gtk :) |
| 15:29.22 | ivoks | jethro: i'm not talking about e17 |
| 15:29.26 | jethro | ivoks: well I am |
| 15:29.31 | PerfDave | ivoks: That doesn't mean that "Sarge is a bit outdated for a desktop" ;) |
| 15:29.33 | ivoks | jethro: but there are apps that need gtk, right? |
| 15:29.34 | jethro | ivoks: we got a misunderstanding somewhere |
| 15:29.36 | ivoks | like, Gimp? |
| 15:29.42 | Bingo | PerfDave: what is kernel-imate? |
| 15:29.50 | PerfDave | Bingo: I meant kernel-image, as I stated. |
| 15:30.06 | jethro | ivoks: when you said "I tried that" I thought you were talking about e17 |
| 15:30.10 | quitte | ivoks: what's wrong with gtk 2.6? 2.6.7 is latest stable |
| 15:30.10 | Triffid_Hunter | petemc: every time i've installed debian i've ended up making half of it by hand in the end.. i don't tell people that they "Just Work" cos they don't.. but they do work well with a little leverage.. ;) |
| 15:30.16 | PerfDave | GIMP works fine in Sarge |
| 15:30.36 | nexuslab_ | does anyone have a laptop with smart battery...and knows related problem? |
| 15:30.47 | PerfDave | Triffid_Hunter: I've not compiled anything by hand on Debian for *years* :) |
| 15:31.20 | petemc | donkeys years |
| 15:31.35 | ivoks | ups, sorry |
| 15:31.38 | mrbuckets | I wish I was a donkey year |
| 15:31.39 | ivoks | sarge has 2.6 |
| 15:31.40 | ivoks | :) |
| 15:31.40 | Triffid_Hunter | you're luckier than i then.. i'm using gentoo now anyway though so moot point |
| 15:31.49 | ivoks | but it was 2.4 when i last checked :) |
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| 15:31.55 | ivoks | my mistake, sorry |
| 15:32.00 | ivoks | 2.4 is broken |
| 15:32.04 | petemc | i installed kolab today, no debian package but a piss easy install |
| 15:32.10 | ivoks | ok, isn't broken, but almost useless |
| 15:32.15 | quitte | but you where complaining about 2.6 not 2.4 earlier anyhow |
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| 15:32.20 | petemc | ivoks: whys that then? |
| 15:32.39 | ivoks | quitte: yeah, i tought 2.8 is latest stable... too many figures in head :) |
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| 15:32.48 | ivoks | petemc: file chooser is very bad |
| 15:33.10 | ivoks | petemc: there is big diff in file chooser beetwen 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 15:33.19 | PerfDave | ivoks is suffering from Gentooitis. |
| 15:33.34 | ivoks | PerfDave: :) i'm using debian, man :) |
| 15:33.38 | ivoks | and debian derivated distros :) |
| 15:33.42 | PerfDave | ivoks: So? |
| 15:33.55 | quitte | right. gentoo users run a 3.x kernel with a 2.7 glibc qt5 kde7 etc. that's why debian is so bad in comparison |
| 15:34.00 | ivoks | PerfDave: do i don't have gentooitis :) |
| 15:34.06 | PerfDave | ivoks: You still seem to be under the delusion that software is useless the minute if't no longer the bleeding edge. |
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| 15:34.14 | PerfDave | ivoks: gentooitis has nothing to do with the distro you're running. |
| 15:34.15 | ivoks | PerfDave: i'm not |
| 15:34.30 | ivoks | PerfDave: i'm just saying that gtk2.4 is useless |
| 15:34.30 | PerfDave | ivoks: Well, that's what you've been going on about for the last ten minutes ;) |
| 15:34.38 | ivoks | PerfDave: gtk1.2 is better than gtk2.4 |
| 15:34.40 | PerfDave | Exactly :) |
| 15:34.46 | dabreegster | quitte: 3.x kernel? Does such a thing exist yet? |
| 15:34.51 | ivoks | :)) |
| 15:34.57 | dabreegster | </sarcasm> |
| 15:35.07 | Bingo | PerfDave: I need kernel-source for module assistant? |
| 15:35.16 | ivoks | no |
| 15:35.20 | ivoks | u need kernel-headers |
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| 15:35.28 | PerfDave | Bingo: Not necessarily, you may need kernel-headers, but module-assistant should install whatever it needs. |
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| 15:35.47 | PerfDave | Bingo: Some modules *do* need full kernel source (I think ipw2000 does), I have no idea whether ndiswrapper does. |
| 15:35.55 | ivoks | ipw2000? |
| 15:36.11 | amorphovs | dabreegster: I modprobed both and it didn't do anything. Is there a way to find out if my cdrom drive has been redirected to somewhere else in /dev/? I know that I had to start booting into /sda instead of hda for my hard drive when i upgraded to 2.6, could something similar happen to the cdrom? |
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| 15:36.19 | ivoks | ipw21000 and ipw22000, right? :) |
| 15:36.36 | dabreegster | amorphovs: is your CD drive connected through IDE cables? |
| 15:36.50 | ivoks | amorphovs: nope... |
| 15:36.51 | amorphovs | dabreegster: No, it's internal |
| 15:37.00 | ivoks | :) |
| 15:37.17 | dabreegster | amorphovs: Internally, how is it connected to the mobo? |
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| 15:37.22 | Bingo | PerfDave tanks i will try module assistant |
| 15:37.30 | ivoks | it's IDE |
| 15:37.31 | Bingo | thanks |
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| 15:37.46 | dabreegster | amorphovs: do you happen to remember what /dev/cdrom used to point to? |
| 15:37.48 | quitte | ivoks the hdd is sata, but the cdrom is not? |
| 15:37.56 | quitte | dabreegster: ^^ |
| 15:37.58 | thom___ | How can I set up ftpd to restrict uploading only to the apache2-default directory?? |
| 15:37.59 | ivoks | quitte: SATA cdrom?! |
| 15:38.06 | ivoks | come on, give me a break... |
| 15:38.15 | quitte | ivoks doesn't exist? |
| 15:38.19 | ivoks | amorphovs: dmesg | grep CD |
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| 15:38.25 | amorphovs | dabreegster: This is a laptop, and it used to point to hdc. It still does point to hdc, actually, I just don't know if that's right. |
| 15:38.29 | dabreegster | I only have experience with IDE cdrom drives, so I can't help. |
| 15:38.29 | ivoks | that will tell you what device is your CDROM |
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| 15:38.49 | pwned | is it possible to remove all dependencies that were installed with a package? |
| 15:38.54 | amorphovs | ivoks: no output |
| 15:38.56 | ivoks | laptop and SATA CDROM? lol... that would be a day... |
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| 15:39.00 | dogwater | Does anyone know how to boot single user in debian? |
| 15:39.00 | Phated | pwned: Try debfoster. |
| 15:39.03 | greycat | pwned: if you installed it with aptitude, yes. |
| 15:39.06 | ivoks | amorphovs: then you didn't compile IDE support in your kernel |
| 15:39.10 | pwned | I did it with apt-get install |
| 15:39.20 | greycat | dogwater: "linux single" at lilo. or select the "rescue mode" on the grub menu. |
| 15:39.24 | amorphovs | ivoks: i just did apt-get from 2.4 |
| 15:39.24 | dabreegster | amorphovs: dmesg | grep -i cd |
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| 15:39.34 | dabreegster | You never know. :P |
| 15:39.36 | ivoks | amorphovs: then do modprobe ide-cdrom |
| 15:39.41 | joel_ | pwned: use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 15:39.55 | si|vercat | I just put a wireless pcmcia-card in my old laptop, how do I make Wlan0 appear? :P |
| 15:39.56 | amorphovs | FATAL: Module ide_cdrom not found. |
| 15:39.57 | ivoks | or something like that... |
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| 15:40.01 | ivoks | ide-cdrom |
| 15:40.03 | ivoks | - not _ |
| 15:40.14 | amorphovs | i did it with - |
| 15:40.21 | amorphovs | that was still the output |
| 15:40.26 | Bingo | PerfDave why do you think that using a knoppix installation is not good? |
| 15:40.27 | quitte | ivoks: both - _ work with modprobe |
| 15:40.29 | Phated | ide-cd. |
| 15:40.33 | ivoks | ide-cd |
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| 15:40.35 | ivoks | right |
| 15:40.41 | PerfDave | Bingo: Because it's not as stable or as well supported as Debian. |
| 15:40.51 | resiak | pwned: Try debfoster, like Phated said. It does roughly what you want. |
| 15:41.09 | amorphovs | i did ide-cd, it gave no error but it still won't mount |
| 15:41.14 | ivoks | pwned: install packages with aptitude and deinstall them with aptitude |
| 15:41.18 | ivoks | amorphovs: dmesg | grep CD |
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| 15:41.21 | PerfDave | debfoster always makes me think of Fosters, and that's bad. |
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| 15:41.33 | amorphovs | no output |
| 15:41.34 | Bingo | PerfDave: ok , bye bye |
| 15:41.38 | Triffid_Hunter | help, my serial port won't go slower than 115200 baud.. setserial /dev/ttyS0 baud_base 9600 spd_cust divisor 4 (which is sposed to set it to 1200) doesn't do anything |
| 15:41.39 | si|vercat | iwconfig says lo and irda0 have no wireless extensions.. |
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| 15:41.58 | PerfDave | si|vercat: irda0 is an infra-red interface |
| 15:42.02 | ivoks | amorphovs: lspci | grep IDE |
| 15:42.24 | amorphovs | 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801FBM (ICH6M) SATA Controller (rev 03) |
| 15:43.18 | si|vercat | PerfDave: I know, I need to make wlan0 or eth0 somehow but I'm kinda clueless here |
| 15:43.30 | ivoks | hm.. that's... hm... piix? |
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| 15:44.17 | CrAzYWolF | i did a /sbin/iptables -I INPUT 1 -s ip -j DROP |
| 15:44.26 | PerfDave | si|vercat: Uhm, do you have (a) PCMCIA services running to detect the card being inserted and (b) kernel support for the card? |
| 15:44.28 | CrAzYWolF | now i cant access that ip |
| 15:44.34 | ivoks | amorphovs: modprobe piix |
| 15:44.40 | CrAzYWolF | how can i undo that |
| 15:44.50 | CrAzYWolF | mmm |
| 15:44.50 | jethro | CrAzYWolF: iptables -F as per manpage |
| 15:45.05 | berzerka | CrAzYWolF: iptables -D INPUT 1 |
| 15:45.07 | Delph | CrAzYWolF: iptables-save > file ; edit the file; iptables-restore file. |
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| 15:45.24 | Delph | far easier than doing random iptables -F/-D/-Whatever as you go. |
| 15:45.28 | amorphovs | ivoks: no output, still cant mount |
| 15:45.42 | ivoks | amorphovs: don't mount; do dmesg | grep CD |
| 15:45.47 | amorphovs | k |
| 15:45.48 | berzerka | Delph: using the iptables-save/restore scripts is highly discouraged even by their creator. |
| 15:45.51 | si|vercat | PerfDave: yep and yep. |
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| 15:45.58 | amorphovs | still nothing |
| 15:45.59 | ivoks | Gathond: i agree :) |
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| 15:46.04 | ivoks | amorphovs: dmesg |
| 15:46.04 | Delph | berzerka: what's the replacment then? |
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| 15:46.09 | ivoks | amorphovs: check last lines |
| 15:46.17 | berzerka | Delph: your own script |
| 15:46.21 | amorphovs | ivoks: for? |
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| 15:46.25 | Delph | berzerka: why? |
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| 15:46.58 | greycat | Delph: to be more l33t!!!! |
| 15:47.00 | CrAzYWolF | ohh damn im using irssi sorry all the text that you type went up >:( |
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| 15:47.01 | berzerka | Delph: well.. wait a second ill search the note i was relating to.. |
| 15:47.04 | ivoks | amorphovs: did it discover ide ports? |
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| 15:47.12 | berzerka | greycat: you got it =) |
| 15:47.20 | amorphovs | ivoks: not that i can see |
| 15:47.27 | CrAzYWolF | in irssi how can i scroll up |
| 15:47.30 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 15:47.33 | greycat | CrAzYWolF: pageup |
| 15:47.40 | CrAzYWolF | cool |
| 15:47.41 | CrAzYWolF | th |
| 15:47.43 | CrAzYWolF | thanks |
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| 15:47.53 | ivoks | amorphovs: boot your 2.4 kernel and check out dmesg and lsmod |
| 15:48.10 | amorphovs | ivoks: k, ill be back |
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| 15:48.11 | Delph | berzerka: if you're quoting the random iptables faq and the statements that iptables isn't configurable, then sure. |
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| 15:48.16 | PerfDave | si|vercat: Hmm, sorry, i'm not good on laptops. |
| 15:48.27 | Delph | berzerka: but for changing single lines in an existing system, it's perfect. |
| 15:48.37 | jethro | the only good firewall is openbsd's pf |
| 15:49.19 | gall | How to install ncurse ? apt-get install ncurse doesn't find anything |
| 15:49.23 | greycat | !start a firewall war |
| 15:49.24 | dpkg | OpenBSD's pf *owns* your sorry little iptables ass. |
| 15:49.29 | jethro | :D |
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| 15:49.34 | dabreegster | gall: libncurse*? |
| 15:49.46 | ivoks | hahaha |
| 15:49.46 | jethro | greycat: there is no possible war, since there are no competitors :p |
| 15:49.57 | greycat | that factoid's two years old... |
| 15:50.02 | jethro | is it? |
| 15:50.07 | jethro | still applies quite well |
| 15:50.10 | si|vercat | PerfDave: but you do know what it takes for a network device to appear in ifconfig? :P |
| 15:50.18 | ivoks | jethro: does pf has layer7 filtering? |
| 15:50.35 | PerfDave | si|vercat: If a network device appears in ifconfig -a then it is both supported and recognised by the kernel. |
| 15:50.37 | jethro | ivoks: as in FWTK ? |
| 15:50.37 | Kjetil | on older versions of debhelper is there a flag that equals --name ? |
| 15:50.47 | greycat | ivoks: no, it doesn't. |
| 15:50.54 | CrAzYWolF | ok the iptables -D INPUT 1 dind't work |
| 15:50.56 | ivoks | i shit on that firewall :)) |
| 15:50.56 | greycat | layer 7 (application layer) filtering belongs in userspace. |
| 15:51.01 | CrAzYWolF | i cant still not see the website |
| 15:51.02 | nilux | hello :) is there a meta package with alle the gtk or gtk2 engines (themes) in apt? |
| 15:51.15 | jethro | ivoks: it has hooks for spamd(8) and authpf at the moment |
| 15:51.17 | greycat | ivoks: layer 7 filtering in openbsd is done by redirecting packets to a userspace daemon |
| 15:51.31 | jethro | ivoks: I don't know of any other userspace daemons for layer7 filtering |
| 15:51.37 | ivoks | greycat: ah... |
| 15:51.42 | si|vercat | PerfDave: so, if a device exists and works and stuff, it should just appear there, right? |
| 15:51.55 | ivoks | greycat: so it's easy to update definitios... |
| 15:52.05 | ivoks | well... l7 is in iptables, in kernel |
| 15:52.07 | PerfDave | si|vercat: In "ifconfig -a", yes. It won't appear in plain "ifconfig" unless it's UP |
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| 15:52.16 | ivoks | and uses one dir in /etc to update definitions |
| 15:52.39 | pwned | ah debfoster helped me refreshen a little bit |
| 15:52.51 | jethro | ivoks: only a moron would to layer7 normalization at the kernel level |
| 15:52.52 | si|vercat | PerfDave: I didn't know it should just appear, so I had no idea what to expect :) now I know what to look for.. thanks :D |
| 15:52.56 | berzerka | Delph: you might be right.. i dont find the passage i was relating to right now. ill tell you when i have found it.. |
| 15:53.00 | jethro | s/would to/would do/ |
| 15:53.08 | FarrisG | Anyone know of any gnome applets to give a pop-up notification when new mail arrives in Thunderbird? |
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| 15:53.39 | ivoks | jethro: why? |
| 15:53.44 | CrAzYWolF | ok got it working |
| 15:53.48 | CrAzYWolF | thanks |
| 15:54.02 | ivoks | at least, we have war :) |
| 15:54.06 | jethro | ivoks: because if it's flawed your at ring0 |
| 15:54.38 | jethro | ivoks: if it's userspace, you can chroot, and so on |
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| 15:56.40 | aptiko | Do we really have security support for sarge, as http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ says? Because, for example, my (sarge) system doesn't seem to be aware about security-updated versions for ppxp (dsa-725) or xfree86 (dsa-723). |
| 15:56.46 | gpm | hi. how do i change the font of the menus (file,edit,view,etc.) and bookmarks in firefox? i can't find it in the preferences, and gtk-theme-switch2 doesn't do any good either. |
| 15:57.07 | ivoks | back:) phone |
| 15:57.32 | ivoks | jethro: i didn't understand sentence with ring0 |
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| 15:58.36 | jethro | ivoks: exploiting something in the kernel gives one the highest privileges, whereas exploiting a userland daemons won't necessarily give you the highest privs, since you can use security measures to defend against attacks |
| 15:58.56 | jethro | ivoks: like having a dedicated user run the daemon, chroot it, etc.. |
| 15:59.01 | ivoks | ah... |
| 15:59.03 | ivoks | that... |
| 15:59.08 | jethro | that's ain't a detail |
| 15:59.15 | ivoks | it would be ideal if nothing would roon as privliged user |
| 15:59.19 | ivoks | but... :) |
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| 15:59.22 | jethro | if you talk about layer7 filtering, it means you're concerned by security |
| 15:59.24 | PerfDave | ivoks: HURD! :) |
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| 15:59.50 | jethro | PerfDave: I don't recall HURD not running anything as root, at least a few years ago |
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| 16:00.00 | bob2 | or you're an idiot who's been reading the OSI spec too much |
| 16:00.02 | KursK | is it very risky to install woody-packages into testing? |
| 16:00.07 | jethro | bob2: :) |
| 16:00.07 | greycat | KursK: no. |
| 16:00.35 | spdf | KursK, good 'ol trustworthy pinning :) |
| 16:00.35 | greycat | jethro: no, layer 7 filtering more likely means he's a censor who wants to prevent his users from reading something he deems inappropriate. |
| 16:00.36 | ivoks | jethro: not security |
| 16:00.40 | ivoks | jethro: content |
| 16:00.44 | greycat | see? |
| 16:00.45 | greycat | told you! |
| 16:00.51 | ivoks | :) |
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| 16:01.01 | jethro | damn you rule greycat, I m really impressed, now you can read minds without a crystal ball. |
| 16:01.06 | PerfDave | KursK: Why would you want to? |
| 16:01.13 | greycat | jethro: implants. |
| 16:01.17 | jethro | greycat: heh :) |
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| 16:01.24 | ivoks | layer7 kills protocol, ignoring ports in use |
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| 16:01.36 | N-0-X | hello |
| 16:01.45 | spdf | Yaaarrr! |
| 16:01.49 | KursK | PerfDave, because the package is only available for woody....also saw some others which are only for unstable... |
| 16:01.57 | jethro | ivoks: can you name anything in iptables doing layer7 filtering? |
| 16:02.01 | amorphovs | ivoks: dmesg in 2.4 showed: |
| 16:02.01 | amorphovs | hdc: TSSTcorpCD-RW/DVD-ROM TSL62C, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 16:02.01 | amorphovs | hdc: ATAPI 24X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 1536kb Cache |
| 16:02.01 | amorphovs | Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision:3.12 |
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| 16:02.02 | telpochyaotl | how do i deactivate dhclient? it have a fixed ip now, but the dhclient is being started and from time to time replaces my fixed ip with a dhcp one... |
| 16:02.14 | N-0-X | I have a little problem here with xserver-xfree86. |
| 16:02.17 | spdf | geez, some peoples kids these days... |
| 16:02.18 | ivoks | jethro: l7filter |
| 16:02.27 | bob2 | telpochyaotl: edit /etc/network/interfaces so it doesn't say "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 16:02.29 | ivoks | jethro: l7-filter.sf.net |
| 16:02.32 | N-0-X | I installed it using apt-get install, but I don't know how to lauch it... |
| 16:02.37 | bob2 | ivoks: stop being such a fascist |
| 16:02.37 | ivoks | :) |
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| 16:02.45 | ivoks | ? |
| 16:02.47 | PerfDave | KursK: There may well be a good reason for it. |
| 16:02.50 | ivoks | what did I do now? |
| 16:03.00 | telpochyaotl | bob2: it doesn't... it's static |
| 16:03.01 | greycat | ivoks: some of us *hate* censorship. |
| 16:03.07 | Triffid_Hunter | help, my serial port won't go slower than 115200 baud.. setserial /dev/ttyS0 baud_base 9600 spd_cust divisor 4 (which is sposed to set it to 1200) doesn't do anything.. any ideas what i should try next? |
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| 16:03.11 | jethro | yet another good reason not to use iptables |
| 16:03.13 | PerfDave | N-0-X: startx, or use a display manager like KDM |
| 16:03.20 | ivoks | ? |
| 16:03.21 | berzerka | Delph: ah i got it. i meant the remarks in /etc/default/iptables. there the creator of the ipt-save-restore script discourages their use and urges the user to write his own initscript. |
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| 16:03.29 | telpochyaotl | bob2: but still i see dhclient and it must be the culprit for my ip changing. |
| 16:03.34 | jethro | ivoks: reading the site docs, and having fun doing it |
| 16:03.35 | bob2 | telpochyaotl: sudo pkill dhclient |
| 16:03.36 | N-0-X | the problem is that i don't have any command called starx |
| 16:03.38 | Delph | berzerka: oh yes, I agree totally with that =:) |
| 16:03.38 | N-0-X | hu |
| 16:03.39 | abrotman | if nmbd doesn't start on boot(in sarge) .. an RC bug ? |
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| 16:03.41 | N-0-X | startx |
| 16:03.45 | PerfDave | N-0-X: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:03.47 | ivoks | greycat: I'm admin that had problems with law because of users downloading illegal stuff |
| 16:03.48 | greycat | !FAQ N-0-X |
| 16:03.49 | dpkg | N-0-X: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:03.56 | greycat | ivoks: fix the law. |
| 16:03.56 | PerfDave | abrotman: Depends on why it doesn't start, I guess. |
| 16:03.59 | bob2 | ivoks: so kick them off when they get caught |
| 16:04.00 | ivoks | lol |
| 16:04.03 | berzerka | Delph: but youre right, for minor changes it really seems pretty helpful.. |
| 16:04.03 | abrotman | PerfDave: it crashes :) |
| 16:04.06 | N-0-X | all I have is 'startfluxbox' or 'starstopdeamon' |
| 16:04.09 | greycat | ivoks: or stop logging so that you won't be blamed. |
| 16:04.14 | KursK | PerfDave, because they don't have the time to make unstable-packages I think....the debs are not in the tree of woody too... |
| 16:04.15 | bob2 | ivoks: they broke the AUP, no internet for them |
| 16:04.16 | greycat | !faq N-0-X |
| 16:04.16 | amorphovs | ivoks: dmesg in 2.4 showed: hdc: TSSTcorpCD-RW/DVD-ROM TSL62C, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive <line> hdc: ATAPI 24X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 1536kb Cache <line> Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision:3.12 |
| 16:04.16 | dpkg | N-0-X: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:04.17 | jethro | this l7filter is just a hack for users not to use real proxies or what? |
| 16:04.19 | KursK | bot downloadeble |
| 16:04.26 | abrotman | PerfDave: guess that's a yes huh ... |
| 16:04.30 | ivoks | amorphovs: more important was lsmod |
| 16:04.39 | PerfDave | abrotman: Not necessarily. |
| 16:04.42 | greycat | !tell amorphovs about paste |
| 16:04.49 | abrotman | PerfDave: how not ? |
| 16:04.50 | ivoks | guys.... |
| 16:04.51 | bob2 | ivoks: layer7 filtering will only catch the dumb people in your organisation |
| 16:04.55 | ivoks | true |
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| 16:05.02 | ivoks | and this isn't organistaion |
| 16:05.05 | ivoks | it's university |
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| 16:05.11 | bob2 | N-0-X: read the faq, then install x-window-system |
| 16:05.13 | greycat | ivoks: quit. |
| 16:05.13 | jethro | hah |
| 16:05.24 | greycat | ivoks: get a real job somewhere that doesn't force you to be a nazi. |
| 16:05.24 | bob2 | universities want to do content filtering?!?! |
| 16:05.24 | ivoks | with computers dedicated for students working on projects |
| 16:05.29 | amorphovs | ivoks: brb |
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| 16:05.31 | ivoks | greycat: :) |
| 16:05.43 | maxxle | I'm using a standard-kernel-image from the debian-sarge repository. Is there a way to enable Framebuffer during bootsequence? Maybe a kernel-parameter? |
| 16:05.46 | bob2 | ivoks: so block everything going out but ssh and http |
| 16:05.58 | abrotman | PerfDave: that's the area i've always been a little fuzzy on .. what constitutes an RC bug vs not .. |
| 16:06.00 | greycat | bob2: *cough* dns. |
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| 16:06.13 | jethro | the only use I d see in this l7filter would be handling IRC and FTP with iptables if you don't already use conntrack which would be stupid |
| 16:06.17 | ivoks | dns is local :) |
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| 16:06.21 | bob2 | greycat: presumably the uni has dns servers |
| 16:06.30 | PerfDave | abrotman: Have you fucked with the config at all? |
| 16:06.30 | N-0-X | ?apt? |
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| 16:06.42 | bob2 | ivoks: are you still going to jail when your students start tunneling porn over ssh? |
| 16:06.45 | ivoks | jethro: l7filter is great for leveling bandwith |
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| 16:06.59 | bob2 | ivoks: how hard do your laws say you have to try? |
| 16:07.04 | jethro | ivoks: again, it's just a hack for users not aware of other *real* solutions |
| 16:07.05 | greycat | tunneling porn over ssh? who would do that? |
| 16:07.09 | gall | How to find module in kernel 2.4 something like / in kernel 2.6 |
| 16:07.10 | jethro | :) |
| 16:07.13 | PerfDave | greycat: Me ;) |
| 16:07.14 | bob2 | if you *have* to prevent it, you're screwed |
| 16:07.24 | ivoks | i don't have to... |
| 16:07.30 | ivoks | this isn't about porn |
| 16:07.38 | bob2 | or warez or whatever |
| 16:07.38 | greycat | what *is* it about, then? |
| 16:07.44 | jethro | ivoks: just log things, and know who you have to blame |
| 16:07.50 | jethro | ivoks: be a real bofh ffs |
| 16:07.57 | greycat | jethro: or conspicuously *don't* log things. |
| 16:08.06 | greycat | jethro: then when the cops demand the logs, you can say there are none. |
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| 16:08.11 | jethro | greycat: I wouldn't do that, for I m too paranoid not to log any single byte |
| 16:08.14 | bob2 | jethro: if you log things, you should have noticed and stopped them. now you go to jail. |
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| 16:08.28 | Delph | indeed. |
| 16:08.29 | jethro | bob2: that's why I said log then blame |
| 16:08.50 | PerfDave | Just block all outgoing IP, it's the only way to be sure. |
| 16:08.56 | abrotman | PerfDave: it's samba. . you kind of have to :) |
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| 16:09.08 | [2D2D]Supporter | APIC in linux? Reccomended? |
| 16:09.20 | ivoks | so, i'm facist :) |
| 16:09.25 | bob2 | if you have non-crap hardware |
| 16:09.29 | PerfDave | abrotman: Uhm, Debian's samba packages have always come with a working default config. If it's crashing on startup *after* you've changed the config files, then it's not an RC bug. |
| 16:09.36 | bob2 | ivoks: you're screwed. people will get around it |
| 16:09.43 | ivoks | bob2: i know they will |
| 16:09.50 | abrotman | PerfDave: it's not a complex config .. except that whole entire authing off a NT4 PDC |
| 16:09.53 | jethro | ivoks: then why're you doin it? |
| 16:09.54 | bob2 | ivoks: so why bother? |
| 16:10.05 | PerfDave | abrotman: It may still be a bug, but it's not an RC bug. |
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| 16:10.08 | ivoks | bob2: problem is that we have so few computers |
| 16:10.14 | KursK | huh and installing an unstable in testing sounds dangerous...;) |
| 16:10.16 | ivoks | 100 students on one computer |
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| 16:10.30 | ivoks | and then, when someone needs to work on thesis or project |
| 16:10.38 | KursK | someone knows an alternative to vcr under debian? |
| 16:10.44 | ivoks | they can't cause of other jerking off or d/w music |
| 16:10.50 | greycat | ivoks: you just need someone with a bat to beat the clubies off the computers. |
| 16:10.54 | greycat | you don't need a firewall. |
| 16:10.56 | ivoks | i tried talking with people |
| 16:11.03 | greycat | ivoks: try yelling. |
| 16:11.04 | ivoks | i even used force |
| 16:11.14 | ivoks | but you can't be a police man all the time |
| 16:11.23 | ivoks | i have my work to do, and studies |
| 16:11.24 | PerfDave | ivoks: There's an old saying - "you can't solve social problems with technical solutions". People abusing your computing facilities is a social problem, not a technical one. |
| 16:11.39 | ivoks | PerfDave: i agree, but i have to do something |
| 16:11.42 | spdf | I say cut 'em off |
| 16:11.50 | ivoks | PerfDave: i don't have years to teach people what's right, and what's wrong |
| 16:12.06 | greycat | ivoks: give them one warning, then revoke their accounts. |
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| 16:12.15 | PerfDave | ivoks: Lay down some ground rules - work takes priority over play. Temporarily disable login accounts for users who don't play ball. |
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| 16:12.20 | ivoks | problem is that they don't have accounts |
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| 16:12.31 | ivoks | that's stoopid windows setup.. i didn't do that... |
| 16:12.31 | greycat | then WHAT THE HELL do you think your firewall is going to achieve? |
| 16:12.33 | BucWheat | deadcat |
| 16:12.41 | PerfDave | ivoks: You can have accounts on Windows. |
| 16:12.46 | greycat | put in a transparent proxy that requires auth. |
| 16:12.47 | ivoks | PerfDave: i know :) |
| 16:12.52 | greycat | force them to authenticate to get out. |
| 16:12.54 | ivoks | PerfDave: but i do only linux machines :) |
| 16:12.57 | PerfDave | ivoks: But just give them all nice shiny Linux desktops, it's much easier ;) |
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| 16:13.03 | greycat | or that. |
| 16:13.05 | PerfDave | ivoks: Oh, so you're incompetent at your job? :) |
| 16:13.07 | ivoks | i wanted to do that, but win admin chocked... |
| 16:13.10 | petemc | squid, or use iptables QUEUE to look at what the users are at |
| 16:13.12 | sackretruq | whats the fsck fix script, move stuff from lost+found back |
| 16:13.20 | bob2 | greycat: "transparent" my ass |
| 16:13.21 | PerfDave | ivoks: If the windows admin won't do it, then it's not your problem. |
| 16:13.28 | greycat | bob2: translucent. |
| 16:13.31 | bob2 | sackretruq: it's called "manual review" |
| 16:13.32 | ivoks | petemc: squid auth is nice... but there is kazza, winmx etc :) |
| 16:13.39 | sackretruq | and is it possible to do on a second step, when the stuff in lost+found has been marked already as their original dir, the '..' entry |
| 16:13.43 | bob2 | greycat: like a brick wall when it silently mis-caches things |
| 16:13.46 | greycat | ivoks: baseball bats. |
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| 16:14.03 | bob2 | ivoks: block everything but ssh and http through the proxy then |
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| 16:14.25 | greycat | sackretruq: things in lost+found do not have known names. where would you move them back *to*? |
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| 16:14.30 | greycat | sackretruq: just restore from your last backup. |
| 16:14.35 | sackretruq | dude you dont know? |
| 16:14.36 | petemc | ivoks: looka at the second thing i said, i dont ACCEPT packets, I QUEUE them, let an app look for signs of p2p usage, if i see it, i drop the connection |
| 16:14.36 | ivoks | bob2: wouldn't i be fasict then? :) |
| 16:14.37 | giupy | when i have tried to use software raid i did recive an error from my promise controller copying a big file from a partion(raid0) to another partition (normal), but now i don't have raid0 software and i recive the same error, can i suppose that software raid wasn't the cause of problem? and can it be the udma support inkernel for the promise controller the problem ? |
| 16:14.42 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 16:14.43 | dpkg | i heard unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 16:14.56 | sackretruq | no (2) for me, say i fucked up |
| 16:15.03 | ivoks | petemc: that's layer7 filtering :) |
| 16:15.09 | petemc | ivoks: no, its not |
| 16:15.18 | sackretruq | wheres this damn script, or whats the options to get the ext2 entries for .. to make one myself |
| 16:15.20 | bob2 | ivoks: people with clue escape via ssh. dumbasses lose. |
| 16:15.21 | greycat | sackretruq: read every file in less. figure out what it is. rename it. |
| 16:15.23 | bob2 | everyone wins |
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| 16:15.43 | ivoks | petemc: and the difference is? |
| 16:15.47 | sackretruq | dude nevermind, theres a script for that, i figure you should know |
| 16:15.52 | petemc | ivoks: i dont have the l7 stuff installed |
| 16:16.04 | sackretruq | my system is gone anyway |
| 16:16.08 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! During the startup I get these two fail messages on sarge-2.6.8. How to resolve them? Thanks |
| 16:16.09 | greycat | why should I know how a luser would approach a problem that should have been solved by making system backups? |
| 16:16.10 | K_Dallas | May 24 12:01:02 localhost kernel: shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001 |
| 16:16.11 | K_Dallas | May 24 12:01:02 localhost kernel: pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001 |
| 16:16.15 | ivoks | petemc: what's wrong with l7 stuff? |
| 16:16.16 | BucWheat | any bootsplash users here? my bootsplash image shows up but quickly goes to verbose mode. why is this and how do i fix it? |
| 16:16.23 | greycat | sackretruq: if it's gone, then just reinstlal. |
| 16:16.27 | sackretruq | i know a luser know theres such a script since years, but another user dont |
| 16:16.42 | petemc | ivoks: are you just here to argue with people? |
| 16:16.44 | greycat | sackretruq: why not just make backups? |
| 16:16.56 | sackretruq | wtf im searching the script, not discussing something else |
| 16:17.00 | ivoks | petemc: hehe no, i was just asking... |
| 16:17.05 | bob2 | K_Dallas: ignore it |
| 16:17.09 | greycat | sackretruq: google. |
| 16:17.12 | amorphovs | ivoks: lsmod | grep cd gives the same output in 2.4 and 2.6 (ehci_hcd, usbcore, ide-cd, cdrom, ide_core) except 2.6 also has uhci_hcd |
| 16:17.23 | K_Dallas | bob2, ok. is it a bug in the kernel? |
| 16:17.24 | sackretruq | anyone else, bob, would you know about the fsck lost+found restore script? |
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| 16:17.35 | bob2 | K_Dallas: no |
| 16:17.39 | K_Dallas | oh! |
| 16:17.45 | bob2 | sackretruq: the filenames are gone |
| 16:17.49 | bob2 | afaik |
| 16:17.58 | ivoks | amorphovs: no lsmod | grep cd |
| 16:18.06 | sackretruq | yes but theres a script.. i never realized how that'd work |
| 16:18.07 | bob2 | K_Dallas: it's the module saying "your hardware doesn't do hot plug, oh well" |
| 16:18.13 | sackretruq | till i figured out earlier |
| 16:18.14 | ivoks | amorphovs: it's important to find out what IDE driver does 2.4 use |
| 16:18.22 | bob2 | sackretruq: you keep insisting, but no one else has ever heard of it |
| 16:18.27 | sackretruq | so instead of asking why not make backups when its too late, shall ya ask how it would work |
| 16:18.35 | ivoks | amorphovs: you don't have to reboot now |
| 16:18.37 | K_Dallas | bob2, that is bad! it is supposed to i guess even tho it is not a new hardware |
| 16:18.42 | bob2 | sackretruq: why don't you just stop being annoying |
| 16:18.42 | sackretruq | k ill show when i've found it so |
| 16:18.43 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 16:18.45 | ivoks | amorphovs: open /var/log/kern.log |
| 16:18.47 | K_Dallas | any way to force hotpluging? |
| 16:18.58 | si|vercat | PerfDave: seems I got the wrong version of Linksys WPC11 :P |
| 16:18.59 | bob2 | K_Dallas: you would know if your hardware did PCI hotplug |
| 16:19.08 | bob2 | K_Dallas: the fact it cost you more than my car is a hint |
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| 16:19.13 | jasoncohen | i have been trying to get my laptop to see a remote CUPS printer for a day now and i'm getting nowhere |
| 16:19.15 | greycat | bob2: for the record, this guy first showed up as root, /msg'ed me about why he couldn't speak, then came back as knoppix, /msg'ed me again, ... |
| 16:19.23 | bob2 | it's nothing to worry about |
| 16:19.26 | bob2 | greycat: haha |
| 16:19.29 | K_Dallas | thanks bob2 |
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| 16:19.53 | amorphovs | ivoks: ok, what am i looking for? |
| 16:19.53 | bob2 | K_Dallas: you can stop the module even being loaded by putting it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 16:20.07 | jasoncohen | i set the ipp as ipp://192.168.0.4:631/printers/Stylus-C84. it says it's idle and accepting jobs but nothing ever printers |
| 16:20.07 | ivoks | amorphovs: search for string "IDE" |
| 16:20.27 | jasoncohen | i edited printers.conf and cupsd.conf to allow connections from my ip. what should i do? |
| 16:20.28 | bob2 | jasoncohen: test pages work fine? |
| 16:20.29 | ivoks | amorphovs: maybe ICH4 |
| 16:20.32 | makaveli | anyone know how to assign a command line argument to a keybinding |
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| 16:20.36 | jasoncohen | bob2, no, nothing prints |
| 16:20.45 | makaveli | what would be the syntax for that? |
| 16:20.46 | K_Dallas | bob2, i am going to do just that, appreciate it |
| 16:20.55 | bob2 | makaveli: you need to be more specific |
| 16:21.04 | malex | Hi. apt-get build-dep package should fetch _all_ build-depends for a package, right? |
| 16:21.06 | bob2 | makaveli: e.g. start with "How do I assign hotkeys in gnome?"? |
| 16:21.12 | amorphovs | ivoks: May 20 00:06:43 localhost kernel: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2 |
| 16:21.13 | bob2 | malex: yes |
| 16:21.18 | malex | bob2: thanks |
| 16:21.23 | bob2 | malex: bear in mind you have to install build-essential by yourself, tho |
| 16:21.28 | ivoks | amorphovs: next... |
| 16:21.46 | makaveli | bob2: if i was in a terminal i would type 3ddesk --acquire i would like to know how to assign that command to a keybinding |
| 16:21.49 | jasoncohen | bob2, what do i have to do to get the printer working? |
| 16:21.53 | ivoks | amorphovs: just under that line |
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| 16:21.59 | jasoncohen | bob2, it works fine on the local machine |
| 16:22.04 | bob2 | makaveli: you're being too vague |
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| 16:22.06 | amorphovs | ivoks: then there are four lines "Probing IDE interface ideX..." |
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| 16:22.14 | bob2 | makaveli: read what I said and try again |
| 16:22.23 | bob2 | no one is going to beg a useful question out of you |
| 16:22.24 | ivoks | amorphovs: before that? |
| 16:22.25 | malex | bob2: aye-aye. |
| 16:22.28 | amorphovs | ivoks: May 21 12:20:04 localhost kernel: PCI: Ignoring BAR0-3 of IDE controller 0000:00:1f.2 |
| 16:22.34 | ivoks | amorphovs: anything with ICH4? |
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| 16:22.49 | bob2 | jasoncohen: hm? test pages from the web don't work but from the command line do? or what does "works fine on the local machine" mean? |
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| 16:22.53 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 16:22.56 | makaveli | bob2: How would i open a terminal and run a command from a keybinding? |
| 16:23.08 | amorphovs | ivoks: May 22 10:55:49 localhost kernel: i810: Intel ICH4 found at IO 0xec40 and 0xed00, MEM 0xdfebfe00 and 0xdfebfd00, IRQ 193 <line> May 22 10:55:49 localhost kernel: i810: Intel ICH4 mmio at 0xe0238e00 and 0xe0254d00 |
| 16:23.09 | berzerka | makaveli: do you use X? |
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| 16:23.18 | makaveli | berzerka: yes |
| 16:23.20 | ivoks | amorphovs: great... then it is ich4 |
| 16:23.28 | bob2 | makaveli: then tell us what window manager you use |
| 16:23.34 | amorphovs | ivoks: so do i modprobe that? |
| 16:23.35 | ivoks | amorphovs: exit |
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| 16:23.40 | jasoncohen | bob2, i can print to the printer from the machine where its connected as a local printer (direct usb connection) but i can't print from a remote machine |
| 16:23.41 | ivoks | amorphovs: modprobe ich4 |
| 16:23.43 | vds | hi all |
| 16:23.49 | ivoks | amorphovs: pardon piix |
| 16:23.57 | gypsymauro | there is a way to run automatically dhcp client when a cable is connected to the ethernet? suppose to have a notebook, when you boot you have not connected the cable when you do it , it does automaticalli a ifup eth0:) |
| 16:23.58 | bob2 | jasoncohen: even using the "print test page" option in the web interface? |
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| 16:24.01 | jasoncohen | the kde printer utility is giving an error that it can't see the printer |
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| 16:24.05 | bob2 | gypsymauro: yes, ifplugd |
| 16:24.11 | jasoncohen | bob2, yes, that doesn't work on the remote machine |
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| 16:24.18 | bob2 | wow |
| 16:24.22 | amorphovs | ivoks: ok, i modprobed piix |
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| 16:24.27 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know of a good program to encrypt files with a GUI? |
| 16:24.32 | gypsymauro | tanx bob2 |
| 16:24.34 | makaveli | bob2: i am using gconf-editor to do the keybinding i just don't know where the terminal is in the system and how to tell the terminal to automatically run a command when it is opened |
| 16:24.37 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: gpg in an xterm |
| 16:24.42 | TwistedEmotions | thanks |
| 16:24.43 | ivoks | amorphovs: ide-core and ide-cd |
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| 16:24.49 | makaveli | bob2: i want to do something like a batch file in windows |
| 16:24.58 | bob2 | makaveli: so, there you go, your question is "How do I start a terminal and have it run a command?" |
| 16:25.10 | bob2 | makaveli: so you make a shell script somewhere listing the commands you want to run |
| 16:25.12 | ivoks | amorphovs: now check dmesg |
| 16:25.23 | makaveli | bob2: how do i do that? |
| 16:25.30 | BucWheat | c'mon fellow debian'ers help me with my bootsplash issue |
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| 16:25.33 | giupy | ehm...if have udma support in the bios for my 2 hds, must i use kernel support udma too for have it ? |
| 16:25.37 | ivoks | amorphovs: and look at last lines... do they look like thoose you saw in kern.log |
| 16:25.38 | bob2 | makaveli: a shell script is a file, one line per command |
| 16:25.43 | ivoks | damn... i'm abusing nickserv :) |
| 16:25.45 | cahoot | jasoncohen: you do have cups on the client too? |
| 16:25.48 | bob2 | BucWheat: the problem is that so few people care about it |
| 16:25.52 | jasoncohen | bob2, kde printmgr gives "unable to retreive printer info . Printer responded client-error-not-found" |
| 16:25.58 | jasoncohen | cahoot, yes |
| 16:25.58 | amorphovs | ivoks: no |
| 16:26.02 | bob2 | giupy: the kernel ignores the bios after boot |
| 16:26.13 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.17 | bob2 | makaveli: then "xterm -e /path/to/shell/script.sh" |
| 16:26.17 | giupy | bob2 thanks |
| 16:26.18 | ivoks | no? |
| 16:26.21 | ivoks | it should be there |
| 16:26.31 | jasoncohen | cahoot, i've used that printer on my machine before |
| 16:26.34 | ivoks | amorphovs: paste last lines to me, on private |
| 16:26.36 | jasoncohen | when it was directly connected |
| 16:26.37 | berzerka | makaveli: if you use bash, add the command to .bashrc |
| 16:26.37 | bob2 | jasoncohen: that is bizarre |
| 16:26.48 | makaveli | bob2: ok thank you |
| 16:26.48 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: The only thing that I am seeing with apt-cache is gpgp or gnupg? |
| 16:26.50 | jasoncohen | maybe my cupsd settings are wrong |
| 16:26.57 | jasoncohen | but i set Allow From 192.168.0.4 |
| 16:27.02 | jasoncohen | which is the machine i'm on |
| 16:27.02 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: gnupg |
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| 16:27.09 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: Thanks |
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| 16:27.20 | jasoncohen | can someone send me their cupsd.conf who has remote printing working? |
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| 16:27.36 | jasoncohen | the default cupsd.conf is to only allow from localhost |
| 16:27.46 | incorrect | does anyone here run their own jabber server? |
| 16:27.56 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: Are you trying to printer to a remote printer to trying to share a local printert |
| 16:27.57 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 16:28.19 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, i'm trying to share a local printer from my desktop and then print to it from my laptop |
| 16:28.23 | cahoot | jasoncohen: BrowseAddress: specifies a broadcast address to be used - on the server side |
| 16:28.46 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: is your laptop windows? |
| 16:28.51 | jasoncohen | no |
| 16:28.55 | jasoncohen | debian testing on both |
| 16:28.59 | TwistedEmotions | errr... kk. |
| 16:29.00 | BucWheat | bob2 grrrr |
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| 16:29.18 | belzebu | hello |
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| 16:30.15 | Mardus | Hi again. |
| 16:30.33 | jasoncohen | cahoot, what should i set for BrowseAddress |
| 16:30.39 | jasoncohen | it's currently all commented out |
| 16:30.56 | cahoot | jasoncohen: follow the instructions that's written there |
| 16:32.03 | berzerka | makaveli: stick to bob2s proposal, i think that is closer to what youre trying to do. |
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| 16:32.47 | greycat | ARGH!! I have a bogus /etc/hosts entry! |
| 16:32.55 | greycat | no wonder it can't find NFS mount from that machine! |
| 16:33.11 | BucWheat | i'm trying to connect to my NAS that supports NFS and i get this error when doing mount -t nfs 192.168.2.150:/mla /mnt/nas/ |
| 16:33.19 | BucWheat | mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused |
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| 16:34.11 | Mardus | I just installed fvwm1. Problem is, that unlike with twm, I have trouble doing normal window managing in fvwm1, like minimising windows (clicking on a down arrow button won't work) or moving windows around by ciicking a window title without having to use the menu. |
| 16:34.23 | Mardus | * clicking |
| 16:34.24 | greycat | who the hell uses fvwm 1.x? |
| 16:34.42 | Mardus | greycat: I just wanted to try it out. |
| 16:34.45 | BucWheat | what is wrong with my mount syntax for nfs ? |
| 16:34.53 | greycat | BucWheat: check for firewalls. make sure portmap is running on both ends. |
| 16:35.12 | ermavin | anyone know how to bind Ctrl+1 to WINDOW_NEXT command in bitchx rc file? |
| 16:35.48 | jasoncohen | bob2, i'm still getting the not-found error |
| 16:36.16 | Mardus | At least twm is more concise out-of-the-box. I'll try some other window manager. |
| 16:36.33 | bob2 | I don't know what your question was |
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| 16:37.13 | xophEr | what would you guys say would be the performance gain if I installed debian on a 7200rpm hdd instead of the 5400rpm its on right now? |
| 16:37.28 | BucWheat | greycat let me check |
| 16:37.40 | berzerka | bob2, 'i'm trying to share a local printer from my desktop and then print to it from my laptop' was his question.. |
| 16:37.46 | Bac9 | xophEr: if you don't run hdd intesive tasks then not much |
| 16:38.02 | bob2 | yeah, that's what I thought, but I have noe idea |
| 16:38.04 | dogwater | How do you change a password on debian 3 if you're at the machine and you put the rescue disc in? |
| 16:38.10 | berzerka | =) |
| 16:38.17 | dogwater | i booted with the rescue disc and it gives me a password prompt |
| 16:38.19 | dogwater | ?? |
| 16:38.19 | greycat | dogwater: /msg dpkg I forgot root's password |
| 16:38.54 | jasoncohen | bob2, and the kde printmgr is still showing the printer as a local printer for some reason |
| 16:39.02 | bob2 | ok |
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| 16:39.11 | bob2 | I've never prtined from kde |
| 16:39.13 | BucWheat | greycat portmap is running on debian box and the NAS (http://www.intellinet-network.com/html/522991.htm) is an appliance that doesn't offer ssh or telnet |
| 16:39.25 | greycat | BucWheat: try "showmount -e servername" |
| 16:39.40 | bob2 | it's very very suspicious that lp on the remote machine works but the web thing does not |
| 16:40.02 | jel | just to confirm something I *think* I know: there's no way to share the mouse paste buffer between X and the console, right? |
| 16:40.09 | jasoncohen | grr! |
| 16:40.16 | jasoncohen | bob2, i was using the wrong option |
| 16:40.20 | bob2 | jel: there's a program to do that |
| 16:40.24 | jasoncohen | bob2, i used Network Printe w/IPP |
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| 16:40.36 | jasoncohen | what i should have done is remote cups server |
| 16:40.37 | BucWheat | showmount -e 192.168.2.150 |
| 16:40.37 | BucWheat | mount clntudp_create: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive |
| 16:40.41 | jasoncohen | it scans the server and finds printers |
| 16:40.43 | BucWheat | showmount -e mla |
| 16:40.43 | BucWheat | mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered |
| 16:40.49 | greycat | BucWheat: you have probliems. |
| 16:40.49 | BucWheat | are the errors i get greycat |
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| 16:40.53 | greycat | s/i// |
| 16:40.53 | bob2 | !+find bin/showmount |
| 16:40.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/showmount' (1): (/sbin/showmount) in net/nfs-common. |
| 16:41.08 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: What is the command to get the GUI based encryption tool up? |
| 16:41.11 | greycat | BucWheat: did you check *really* *hard* for firewalls? |
| 16:41.18 | greycat | BucWheat: did you rip 'em all down? |
| 16:41.19 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: I said it wasn't gui-based |
| 16:41.22 | jel | bob2: there is? Remember the name? |
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| 16:41.27 | bob2 | because gui-based encryption tools are stupid |
| 16:41.31 | TwistedEmotions | man gnupg doesnt say shit. |
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| 16:41.39 | BucWheat | greycat i didn't install one i don't think but let me check. |
| 16:41.46 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: All good... dont care if it's gui... |
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| 16:41.57 | BucWheat | greycat there is only iptables/ipchains that would be options for sarge install right? |
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| 16:42.02 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: gpg -c filename |
| 16:42.04 | TwistedEmotions | How do I encrypt/decrypt a file |
| 16:42.05 | aFlag | where should i assign a static ip for a machine? Would it be on /etc/network/interface? |
| 16:42.05 | greycat | BucWheat: broken reverse DNS combined with /etc/hosts.deny may qualify as one. |
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| 16:42.16 | bykte | is there any settings where u can max out your network bandwidth on a server? |
| 16:42.19 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: do not lose the password, gpg cannot be broken by anyone but the NSA |
| 16:42.24 | greycat | TwistedEmotions: could you please be less stupid? It would really help my blood pressure. KTHX. |
| 16:42.25 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: gpg can do symmetric and asymmetric encryption, which do you want? |
| 16:42.28 | BucWheat | greycat i do not have a /etc/hosts.deny |
| 16:42.30 | bob2 | aFlag: yes |
| 16:42.32 | jel | TwistedEmotions: try kgpg? |
| 16:42.38 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: man gpc? |
| 16:42.45 | bob2 | bykte: that question makes no nense |
| 16:42.47 | BucWheat | greycat yea i do disregard that i forgot the s heh |
| 16:42.52 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: ? the command I gave you is all you need |
| 16:42.56 | TwistedEmotions | kk |
| 16:43.09 | aFlag | bob2, what program uses that as a config file though? |
| 16:43.10 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: I will eat your heart. |
| 16:43.20 | BucWheat | greycat /etc/hosts.deny doesn't have anything enabled. i'm checking .allow now |
| 16:43.22 | jasoncohen | bob2, thanks for the help |
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| 16:43.26 | Vladi | hi, does anyone have a way to "minimize" fullscreen games like quake3 and ut2004 i do this with wine by switching virtual desktops in kde but it does not work in native linux games? |
| 16:43.31 | bob2 | aFlag: no program, the network setup scripts read it |
| 16:43.31 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Symmetric Encryption is easy but fairly useless for many things. Asymmetric encryption is hard. Read the documentation at http://www.gnupg.org/ |
| 16:43.36 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: I just want to encrypt a file to where no one can run it and it's safe. |
| 16:43.39 | paulswm | TwistedEmotions: You're assuming that greycat has a heart. :P |
| 16:43.49 | greycat | you want to encrypt a *program*? |
| 16:43.55 | bob2 | jasoncohen: glad it's working |
| 16:43.56 | zol1 | Vladi: often, those games run better if you start a second Xserver |
| 16:44.02 | TwistedEmotions | no data files. |
| 16:44.02 | bykte | bob2, how to prevent fluctuation of upload speed? |
| 16:44.03 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: You can't encrypt a file so *nobody* can run it. shred is probably your best offer ;) |
| 16:44.08 | greycat | you don't run data files, twit. |
| 16:44.09 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 16:44.15 | makaveli | bob2: i tried writing a shell all that is in the text document is "exec 3ddesk --acquire" then when i go to a terminal and type xterm -e /name/of/file it brings up a window and then closes it and doesn't do anything |
| 16:44.15 | TwistedEmotions | Errrr... |
| 16:44.17 | jasoncohen | bob2, and it was easier than i thought. i just needed to put in the IP of the server |
| 16:44.21 | zol1 | and switch between those with ctrl-alt-f7, f8 |
| 16:44.23 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Look, just read the documentation at http://www.gnupg.org/ |
| 16:44.31 | jasoncohen | so you add a remote server..not a remote printer |
| 16:44.34 | Vladi | zol1: i see |
| 16:44.35 | TwistedEmotions | WTF are you all talking about you whores.. I just want to encrypt a file. |
| 16:44.37 | bob2 | jasoncohen: ah |
| 16:44.54 | zol1 | Vladi: it improves performance too |
| 16:44.54 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, gpg --encrypt |
| 16:44.59 | bob2 | makaveli: xterm -e "3ddesk --acquire" |
| 16:45.00 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Insults will get you nowhere. You've been told what package you need and where to find the relevant documentation. |
| 16:45.00 | jasoncohen | or use a tool like kgpg |
| 16:45.05 | TwistedEmotions | gpg -c filename |
| 16:45.07 | jasoncohen | which has integration with konqueror- very nice |
| 16:45.08 | bob2 | makaveli: but why do you want it in an xterm at all? |
| 16:45.09 | bob2 | jasoncohen: ahh |
| 16:45.11 | BucWheat | ipchains --list |
| 16:45.11 | BucWheat | ipchains: Incompatible with this kernel |
| 16:45.20 | jasoncohen | -c ? |
| 16:45.22 | zol1 | BucWheat: modprobe ipchains |
| 16:45.26 | jasoncohen | -e is to encrypt |
| 16:45.29 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: I got it... and I was ACTUALLY insulting anyone.. was just kidding |
| 16:45.32 | jasoncohen | -es to encrypt & sign |
| 16:45.33 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: I dont it |
| 16:45.54 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.20 | BucWheat | greycat it can't be firewall because ipchains/tables returns errors when i try to start them saying they aren't in kernel |
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| 16:47.08 | greycat | BucWheat: could it be a firewall between you and the NAS device? |
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| 16:47.29 | BucWheat | greycat no. it is plugged into same switch/router as desktop |
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| 16:48.53 | BucWheat | greycat when i setup nas i had to specify users/groups do i need to issue l/p with mount command? |
| 16:48.54 | TwistedEmotions | Is there anything with a lighter/faster encryption speed? I am looking for like 16 bit encryption.. |
| 16:49.15 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: caesar |
| 16:49.33 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: thanks |
| 16:49.34 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: rot13 |
| 16:49.34 | bob2 | and if you want shitty encryption, you need to specify that |
| 16:49.42 | jel | lol, shingouz :) |
| 16:49.44 | zol1 | TwistedEmotions: rot13 *g* |
| 16:49.46 | greycat | BucWheat: NFS does not use passwords. |
| 16:49.48 | PerfDave | "16 bit encryption" is meaningless |
| 16:49.53 | shingouz | as i said... |
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| 16:50.04 | bob2 | you ask for encryption in a room full of geeks, you're going to get people suggesting AES and blowfish, not rot13 |
| 16:50.04 | BucWheat | greycat k. so that isn't the problem |
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| 16:50.14 | greycat | BucWheat: if you can't even get a showmount -e to work, you have some *serious* low-level networking issues. RPC/UDP packets aren't getting through. You MUST find out why. |
| 16:50.18 | jel | PerfDave: I think he means data ^ 0xFFFF ;) |
| 16:50.25 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Read the GPG manpage and specify a different encryption algorithm. |
| 16:50.37 | jasoncohen | TwistedEmotions, unless you're on a very slow box, AES should be quite fast |
| 16:50.41 | BucWheat | greycat k. |
| 16:50.43 | jasoncohen | and blowfish even faster |
| 16:50.52 | TwistedEmotions | jasoncohen: files are huge that's why... |
| 16:50.54 | Nurbs | BucWheat: basic NFS is basically not secured. except for IP security, often |
| 16:50.59 | zol1 | TwistedEmotions: blowfish should be allright for low performance |
| 16:51.03 | PerfDave | AES is fine on my Pentium :) |
| 16:51.10 | jasoncohen | how big TwistedEmotions? |
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| 16:51.20 | shingouz | and how fast cpu TwistedEmotions |
| 16:51.21 | jasoncohen | and what's the point of encrypting them if you use useless encryption? |
| 16:51.24 | TwistedEmotions | like 2 gigs a piece |
| 16:51.31 | TwistedEmotions | 3.0 gighrtz |
| 16:51.35 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Why are you encrypting these files? |
| 16:51.53 | bob2 | porn |
| 16:51.56 | bob2 | or movies |
| 16:51.57 | jasoncohen | why not just use strict file permissions? |
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| 16:52.01 | TwistedEmotions | to restrict access to the files... and for peace of mind... |
| 16:52.04 | TwistedEmotions | movie |
| 16:52.06 | BucWheat | Nurbs k |
| 16:52.08 | TwistedEmotions | not pron |
| 16:52.18 | bob2 | if it's a pirated movie, encrypt it properly |
| 16:52.19 | jasoncohen | make the files 700 |
| 16:52.28 | bob2 | you don't want to leave stuff for the MPAA to find |
| 16:52.38 | zol1 | TwistedEmotions: consider cryptoloop partition |
| 16:52.53 | jel | TwistedEmotions: sounds like you want to setup an AES filesystem. That way, if you download a big file onto your machine, you won't notice the encryption as much, since it happens AS you download. |
| 16:53.01 | clojster | I need someone who understands VPN (pptpd)... I have complex questions so I'd like to talk via PM... |
| 16:53.05 | jasoncohen | yeah, that's a good suggestion |
| 16:53.17 | jasoncohen | i used a cryptoloop FS on my mdk box, quite nice |
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| 16:53.34 | De_Mon | how could I compair 3 files and find out how many lines they had in common? |
| 16:53.35 | Nurbs | at 3 GHz you can get like 30-40 MB/s with dmcrypt/AES, if not more |
| 16:53.37 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Why not use filesystem permissions or just store them offline? :) |
| 16:53.39 | BucWheat | greycat got it working :) . my error was i forgot to enable NFS on the NAS hehe |
| 16:53.47 | jel | jasoncohen: we all like to hide mandrake out of sight, but that's a bit over the top ;) |
| 16:53.50 | TwistedEmotions | PerfDave: I am... |
| 16:54.02 | De_Mon | compare even |
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| 16:54.11 | bob2 | I still don't get how CBC mode works on encrypted disks |
| 16:54.16 | PerfDave | TwistedEmotions: Then don't bother with encryption :) |
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| 16:54.19 | jasoncohen | jel, lol, and the mandrake bashing continues |
| 16:54.25 | bob2 | changing early blocks should mean you have to re encrypt the whole disk |
| 16:54.28 | jair | hello guys |
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| 16:54.35 | jair | it is any new version of sarge? |
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| 16:54.39 | jair | than RC3? |
| 16:54.39 | greycat | !smite BucWheat |
| 16:54.53 | greycat | jair: the installer version doesn't matter that much. |
| 16:54.55 | jair | I have the version netins CD rc3 |
| 16:54.58 | Guest64908 | Hi from Greece i have a channel P2P (File Server Downloading Channel) but in greece and i want ppl from abroad with file servers or not plz msg me :) |
| 16:54.59 | jair | ok |
| 16:55.11 | greycat | jair: you'll be doing a net install anyway, so all the packages will come from the servers |
| 16:55.17 | jair | greycat, I am having problems with my laptop |
| 16:55.19 | shingouz | ffs... Guest64908, this is not warez. go away |
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| 16:55.38 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: now that I've got a encrypted .gpg file howu to I un-decrypt? |
| 16:55.47 | TwistedEmotions | *do |
| 16:55.49 | greycat | !cookie bob2 |
| 16:55.56 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: gpg --decrypt blah.gpg |
| 16:55.57 | jair | greycat, I think that installing the packages acpi, apm, I disconfigure the sound |
| 16:56.09 | jair | how could I reinstall the sound |
| 16:56.12 | greycat | jair: sounds like a kernel issue. |
| 16:56.17 | jair | hmmm |
| 16:56.29 | jair | it is a way that I could fix my kernel? |
| 16:56.30 | jel | jair: did you reboot while configuring that? |
| 16:56.48 | jair | no I did not reboot anything |
| 16:56.53 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: Errr... didnt like that command... computer went nuts... spitting out BS..? |
| 16:57.01 | bob2 | jair: did you modify your kernel at all? |
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| 16:57.07 | jair | I use to have all sound configured and working properly |
| 16:57.14 | antony | anyone know of a program like root-tail that will let me monitor log files on _remote machines_? |
| 16:57.15 | jair | bob2, yes |
| 16:57.16 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: gpg --decrypt blah.gpg --output blah |
| 16:57.22 | bob2 | jair: then don't do that |
| 16:57.28 | jair | I went to the modconf and add the acpi-ibm |
| 16:57.33 | jair | or somthing like that |
| 16:57.38 | bob2 | antony: ssh -t user@host tail -f /var/log/mail.log |
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| 16:57.44 | jasoncohen | how do i start swat? i can't connect to localhost:901 |
| 16:58.02 | peterS | jasoncohen: install it and make sure the entry in /etc/inetd.conf for it is uncommented. reload inetd if necessary |
| 16:58.05 | jel | antony: only ways I know of are to mount the remote folders, read them via ssh, or have them remotely log to a central log server. |
| 16:58.28 | jair | bob2, i think the problem start when I did the change on the kernel or adding the packages for acpi |
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| 16:58.31 | qwertz_ | Just found that when pressing ALT and entering numbers bash takes this as some "arg" - anyone know where to use that? |
| 16:58.39 | jair | I will have to resintall alsa |
| 16:58.40 | jair | ?? |
| 16:58.42 | bob2 | jair: so, use a Debian kernel |
| 16:58.46 | thomas_adam | qwertz_: readline. |
| 16:58.48 | bob2 | jair: instead of the broken one you compiled |
| 16:58.52 | caphuso | qwertz_: try "alt-1 alt-2 x" |
| 16:58.55 | jair | bob2, ok |
| 16:59.06 | jair | so how I choose the booter do that? |
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| 16:59.18 | greycat | jair: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
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| 16:59.21 | greycat | or whatever. |
| 16:59.24 | antony | bob2: nice, but ssh wants a password and running it via root-tail, there's no interactivity |
| 16:59.27 | jair | ohhh |
| 16:59.32 | zol1 | qwertz_: repeat key n times |
| 16:59.35 | jair | greycat, that will overrite all I did? |
| 16:59.36 | bob2 | antony: you dn't use ssh keys?!? |
| 16:59.44 | greycat | only if you did it VERY WRONG. |
| 16:59.50 | jair | greycat, and what about the centrino? configuration I did? |
| 16:59.50 | bob2 | antony: ssh-keygen -t rsa ; ssh-copy-id user@host |
| 16:59.55 | antony | bob2: no, was waiting for X.509 support |
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| 17:00.03 | jel | antony: ssh won't require a password if you use public keys |
| 17:00.10 | jair | bob2, I can do that I am running that kerneol version right now |
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| 17:00.21 | bob2 | antony: well, you could setup remot syslog or something |
| 17:00.28 | bob2 | jair: I don't understand you, sorry |
| 17:00.32 | bob2 | jair: but use a Debian kernel |
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| 17:00.40 | Mardus | Hi again. |
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| 17:00.49 | jasoncohen | peterS, still not working |
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| 17:01.37 | jair | bob2, I am using that kernel CURRENTLY |
| 17:01.44 | bob2 | AWESOME |
| 17:01.44 | jasoncohen | i edited the line to "swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/swat and then reloaded inetd |
| 17:01.46 | peterS | jasoncohen: it should be if you did those steps. tell me the things you did |
| 17:01.46 | bob2 | GOOD FOR YOU |
| 17:02.14 | jasoncohen | peterS, i got rid of the #<off># |
| 17:02.16 | jair | greycat, If I install that kernel it will replace the compiling kernel I did? |
| 17:02.18 | peterS | jasoncohen: what happens when you try to connect to localhost:901 then? |
| 17:02.36 | jasoncohen | connection refused |
| 17:02.56 | peterS | jasoncohen: I'm dubious that inetd reloaded successfully |
| 17:02.58 | qwertz_ | zol1, thomas_adam caphuso thanks! |
| 17:03.06 | K_Dallas | I have never used a fax-modem under linux now that i have bought an analog modem, I would like to know how i could send out faxes? i looked into kfax but it accepts only its own format or tiff which pretty restrictive. |
| 17:03.11 | Vladi | zol1: can u point me in the right direction how do i go about adding a shortcut to start the game in a new xorg session searching in google but cant seem to find info? |
| 17:03.11 | zol1 | qwertz_: don't mention it |
| 17:03.20 | jair | I think I will have to read little bit about this issue |
| 17:03.39 | jair | thank you anyway for your help |
| 17:03.54 | jasoncohen | peterS, /etc/init.d/inetd says inetd has been diverted by xinedt and that inetd doesn't need to be run |
| 17:03.58 | jasoncohen | all it does is exit 0 |
| 17:04.00 | zol1 | Vladi: create desktop icon, executing "startx /path/yourgame -- :1" |
| 17:04.00 | jasoncohen | it's useless |
| 17:04.18 | Delph | K_Dallas: throw whatever you're using through convert first? |
| 17:04.21 | Gokee2 | Hey all I am having truble unrar ing a file it says "file header broken" I would take it as a bad file and try to find another somewhere but it did that on my last rar too so I think there might be something wrong with how I am trying to unrar it. What i did was in the command line "unrar e file". Thanks all :) |
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| 17:04.29 | peterS | jasoncohen: so you have xinetd installed. great. edit the config file in /etc/xinetd.d or wherever. you know where that is, or if you don't, you shouldn't be running xinetd in the first place |
| 17:04.40 | doub | hi there |
| 17:04.46 | K_Dallas | Delph, you mean i convert for instance my pdf to tiff? |
| 17:04.53 | jasoncohen | peterS, chan i change back? |
| 17:04.57 | Vladi | zol1: ok gonna try now thx :) |
| 17:05.03 | zol1 | Vladi: np |
| 17:05.06 | K_Dallas | isnt there a better solution? |
| 17:05.14 | peterS | jasoncohen: you can uninstall xinetd and make sure you have netkit-inetd installed, or whatever |
| 17:05.15 | doub | i'd like to know, is it "safe" to just put an 'experimental' line in sources.list to get some experimental packages? |
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| 17:05.23 | xophEr | is it possible to view *.sub subtitles with totem? |
| 17:05.32 | K_Dallas | doub, i am not really sure if you get experimental that easily ;) |
| 17:05.33 | peterS | jasoncohen: but there must be a reason you installed xinetd in the first place - think back, remember what that reason is, and make sure it no longer applies |
| 17:05.33 | jasoncohen | peterS, what's xinetd for? |
| 17:05.43 | peterS | jasoncohen: it's a replacement for inetd |
| 17:05.48 | shakparl | is captive, the ntfs read-write utility built into sarge |
| 17:05.49 | doub | K_Dallas: there is an 'experimental' branch on the debian ftp |
| 17:05.55 | shakparl | or by default i can only mount ntfs as rw |
| 17:06.02 | jasoncohen | netkit-inetd is already installed |
| 17:06.08 | peterS | shakparl: the interesting part of captive is distributed by Microsoft under a very non-free license |
| 17:06.15 | doub | K_Dallas: so it's that easy, in theory. but i bet it will happily f*** up the whole system if just doing an upgrade |
| 17:06.25 | shakparl | peterS: it's distributed by ms?? |
| 17:06.27 | peterS | shakparl: so we *can't* put the rest of it in debian proper. possibly in debian contrib. I don't think it's in there but it could be |
| 17:06.38 | peterS | shakparl: yes. do you know how captive works? it uses a driver from Windows NT |
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| 17:06.55 | peterS | shakparl: that driver is distributed by Microsoft and is not exactly open source software |
| 17:06.57 | Delph | doub: read about testing/unstable mixes (can't remember which !dpkg it is, though) |
| 17:06.57 | shakparl | i know it uses the ntfs.sys |
| 17:07.16 | peterS | shakparl: who did you *think* distributes ntfs.sys, then, if not Microsoft? |
| 17:07.21 | shakparl | anyway so hence it wouldn't be included in debian |
| 17:07.22 | shakparl | gotcha |
| 17:08.10 | peterS | shakparl: debian proper only includes software that functions without any non-free software around |
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| 17:08.17 | shakparl | ok ok |
| 17:08.18 | jasoncohen | peterS, got it, thanks |
| 17:08.19 | shakparl | lol |
| 17:08.21 | peterS | shakparl: obviously captive doesn't fit that category. that is why there is debian contrib |
| 17:08.32 | doub | Delph: pinning |
| 17:08.43 | peterS | shakparl: so you can look in contrib, but I don't remember hearing that it's in there, so. |
| 17:08.53 | greycat | dpkg, policy =~ s#/,#/ - # |
| 17:08.53 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 17:09.13 | jasoncohen | peterS, i did a apt-get remove xinetd and a apt-get install --reinstall netkit-inetd |
| 17:09.18 | shakparl | peterS: thanks :) |
| 17:09.28 | Vladi | zol1: ok that starts fluxbox and not the game is there a way to start just the game ? |
| 17:09.35 | peterS | jasoncohen: swat should work now then |
| 17:10.00 | doub | Delph: that's what i'm trying right now. thanks |
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| 17:10.32 | doub | but anyway, has anyone succeeded to install xen2 with the experimental packages? |
| 17:11.02 | doub | !anyone |
| 17:11.02 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 17:11.46 | diesel | I just read that quotas only work for ext2 filesystems. Is this the case, because I thought that ext3 filesystems also supported quotas? |
| 17:12.20 | Mage_ | diesel: ext3 support quota too |
| 17:12.26 | peterS | diesel: several filesystems support quotas. I've heard of them being used in ext3, xfs and even reiserfs |
| 17:12.41 | Vladi | zol1: ok nv got it typo in the path :) |
| 17:13.23 | diesel | Mage_, peterS : thanks |
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| 17:16.33 | Jacobo221 | udev is not linking /dev/mouse to a valid mouse device... is this solved in Sid? |
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| 17:18.20 | drac | Jacobo221: PS/2 and USB mouses are allways /dev/input/mice, what's the use for /dev/mouse? |
| 17:19.02 | Jacobo221 | drac: well, i can point all my config files (i.e. gpm and X) to /dev/mouse and when I switch mouses I only have to change the link, not all config files |
| 17:19.13 | Jacobo221 | drac: that's exactly the same use /dev/mouse has always had, in fact |
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| 17:20.23 | drac | Hmm. So, just point them to /dev/input/mice then (Needs module mousedev loaded into kernel) :) |
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| 17:21.37 | Jacobo221 | drac: ye, but then again if at a given moment I need to switch to /dev/psaux or some rare M$ device, I have to go editting the config files instead of just a link ;) |
| 17:21.39 | jonkri | hey guys, i have a non-technical problem. you see i'm taking a course called open source/free software - political science and i'm writing the essay. the only problem is that i'm stuck - it's about microsoft, and other big comapanies (software companies, primarily), and how they're making it hard for developing countries to get on its feet when it comes to ict |
| 17:21.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: moo |
| 17:21.44 | jonkri | i have read about peru/gnu, lock-in problem in japan, school project in namibia, software patents (hague), the documents on gnu.org etc but i still don't know where to begin |
| 17:21.49 | jonkri | it feels that i need more information on the issue |
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| 17:21.58 | jasoncohen | can't video files be streamed over samba? |
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| 17:22.06 | jasoncohen | it's transfering the file over for some reason |
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| 17:23.01 | drac | Jacobo221: Didn't you know, /dev/psaux is marked deprecated in recent kernels and only there for backwards compability. Those old mices are also in /dev/input/mice. |
| 17:23.12 | PerfDave | jonkri: http://www.eff.org/ has some stuff about intellectual property law in developing countries. |
| 17:23.15 | Jelcin | jonkri start with the beginning of it all and how it delevoped ? |
| 17:23.19 | drac | Jacobo221: In fact, if you compile your own kernel you most likely don't want to include /dev/psaux support at all. |
| 17:23.19 | Jacobo221 | drac: oh really? |
| 17:23.41 | PerfDave | jonkri: There was quite a good quote from the Indian representative at WIPO recently, which was quoted on the EFF blog and IIRC at BoingBoing. |
| 17:23.50 | Jacobo221 | drac: so /dev/input/mice is from 2.6 and on the "standard" mouse device? |
| 17:23.58 | drac | Jacobo221: 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 17:24.02 | MID-Cloud | is there any page where I can find debian apt-get reps with the "unstable" softwares? if yes can you link me some pls? (some with most software on it!) |
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| 17:24.18 | Jacobo221 | drac: afaik, 2.4 used input/mice only for usb mice |
| 17:24.35 | drac | Jacobo221: Maybe some old 2.4 kernels, but that is not the case for recent 2.4 versions. |
| 17:24.42 | peterS | MID-Cloud: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main |
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| 17:24.48 | Jacobo221 | drac: since /dev/input layer was just introduced during 2.5 development and was initially intended for usb inoput devices |
| 17:24.58 | Jacobo221 | drac: ye, might be that. ok :) |
| 17:25.21 | jasoncohen | what do i need to install to run an nfs server? |
| 17:25.22 | MID-Cloud | thank peters i'll try that then! but security.debian.org doesn't run with the unstable, possible? |
| 17:25.25 | peterS | Jacobo221: 2.4 kernels have always used /dev/input/mice for ADB mice, I believe |
| 17:25.33 | peterS | MID-Cloud: correct |
| 17:25.55 | peterS | MID-Cloud: unstable has lower latency than security.debian.org would anyway, so there's no point |
| 17:26.05 | Jacobo221 | peterS: i'm almost sure /dev/input layer was introduced during 2.5 development. but well , who cares ;) |
| 17:26.25 | MID-Cloud | thank you very much for claryfing me that! |
| 17:26.26 | jonkri | PerfDave hi and thank you once again for the help with exim. thanks for the link to eff, i will read what they have to say |
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| 17:26.44 | Jacobo221 | now only one thing left about debian's udev is that it doesn't link /dev/floppy to /dev/fd0. ok, floppies are deprecated too, but /dev/floppy has always been the right way to go read a floppy... |
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| 17:26.50 | jonkri | Jelcin when was the beginning, and do you have any articles i can read? :) |
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| 17:27.15 | peterS | Jacobo221: I've never had a /dev/floppy on my boxes. where did you get yours? |
| 17:27.27 | peterS | Jacobo221: I've used /dev/fd0 on AIX and Linux as long as I can remember |
| 17:27.48 | Jacobo221 | peterS: i've always done that link. since years ago. and many mount scripts expect it ;) |
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| 17:27.58 | alys | Jacobo221: if floppies are now 'deprecated' what is recommended in their place? |
| 17:28.07 | green_earz | jonkri: check out richard stalkman site may be some links their ?. I was told that india is taking on open sauce. one reason is that the langaue font set can be work on. |
| 17:28.15 | Jacobo221 | alys: whatever. ask Steve Jobs :P |
| 17:28.24 | peterS | Jacobo221: if you do local customisations to your /dev you can hardly expect the udev maintainers to know this. unless you've let them know, of course. have you? |
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| 17:28.45 | alys | Jacobo221: Thanks - I doubt I shall bother... ;-) |
| 17:28.45 | peterS | Jacobo221: also, 'floppy' takes longer to type than 'fd0'. what's the advantage? |
| 17:28.48 | Jacobo221 | peterS: of course not. i've always thought 7dev/floppy was pretty standard |
| 17:28.52 | Jacobo221 | alys: heh |
| 17:28.54 | Jelcin | jokri sorry i dont have any articles but try google? |
| 17:29.07 | jonkri | green_earz thank you, i will search through his site, but what i was hoping to find is microsoft specific information, not advantages why free software |
| 17:29.11 | jonkri | s/why/of |
| 17:29.20 | Jacobo221 | peterS: you can point /dev/floppy to a non-real-floppy device such as pcmcia or usb or... |
| 17:29.33 | Jacobo221 | peterS: even a virual floppy or loopback |
| 17:29.57 | Matalo | does anybody knows where octave stores .m files? |
| 17:30.07 | SquareRt | jacobo221: erm |
| 17:30.16 | SquareRt | jacobo221: /dev/floppy is a symlink, right? |
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| 17:30.28 | Jacobo221 | drac: "In fact, if you compile your own kernel you most likely don't want to include /dev/psaux support at all." <- are there incompatibility issues known or any specific reason for that? |
| 17:30.34 | peterS | SquareRt: it's a directory in devfs, I believe |
| 17:30.36 | Jacobo221 | SquareRt: ye |
| 17:30.47 | Jacobo221 | peterS: nope |
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| 17:30.59 | SquareRt | jacobo221: and it's normally a symlink to /dev/fd0? |
| 17:31.09 | peterS | Jacobo221: that would be on kernel 2.6. the reason not to compile /dev/psaux compatibility is mere feature bloat. it's a synonym for /dev/input/mice in kernel 2.6 |
| 17:31.31 | Jacobo221 | SquareRt: i've always done it and many scripts expect it to be there |
| 17:31.37 | peterS | Jacobo221: oh? what's the directory in devfs for floppy devices called, then? /dev/fd? that can't be right |
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| 17:31.47 | Jacobo221 | SquareRt: well, maybe they are old scripts... times when floppies were much more used than today |
| 17:31.48 | drac | Jacobo221: As in, why include anything you don't need into kernel, or better yet, anything that is being deprecated AND you don't need? :) |
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| 17:32.06 | SquareRt | peters: yeah... /dev/fd sounds too much like file descriptor... but it's true! lol |
| 17:32.27 | peterS | SquareRt: what's true? what's the devfs name for the floppy directory? |
| 17:32.37 | SquareRt | well... I have a /dev/fd |
| 17:32.40 | peterS | SquareRt: I was pretty sure it was /dev/floppy but Jacobo221 insists it is not |
| 17:32.46 | Jacobo221 | peterS, drac : oki :) sunds much better to have a single device pointing always to the right primary mosue :) |
| 17:32.55 | peterS | SquareRt: ls -l /dev/fd - is it actually a symlink to /proc/self/fd or is it a directory? |
| 17:32.56 | SquareRt | peters: but maybe that's a udev thing? |
| 17:33.09 | SquareRt | ls -ld /dev/fd you mean? |
| 17:33.16 | SquareRt | lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 13 2001-08-31 08:01 /dev/fd -> /proc/self/fd |
| 17:33.26 | peterS | yep, as I said |
| 17:33.30 | SquareRt | peters: clearly I'm not awake lol... carry on |
| 17:33.41 | SquareRt | peters: I'm guessing it IS my guess of File Descriptor then lol |
| 17:33.45 | peterS | yes |
| 17:33.53 | Jacobo221 | peterS: i dont' insist it is not. i inisist I've always used /dev/floppy. you asked my if it wasa a ditr, i told you it was a symlink. i never used devfs. i switched directly to udev |
| 17:34.12 | peterS | Jacobo221: I said I thought it was a directory in devfs. you said "peterS: nope" |
| 17:34.18 | SquareRt | peters: that reminds me... you know how you can use /etc/mtab as a symlink to /proc/self/mounts |
| 17:34.21 | SquareRt | ? |
| 17:34.29 | peterS | SquareRt: you can if you don't mind losing some features, yeah |
| 17:34.31 | Jacobo221 | peterS: in udev, /dev/fd points to file descriptor, just as /dev/stdin /dev/stdout and /dev/stderr |
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| 17:34.38 | SquareRt | peters: and gaining some? |
| 17:34.44 | green_earz | jonkri: have a look at ivan illich. on social monopalie of tech nolagies. sorry for the poor spelling > http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ira/illich/ |
| 17:34.45 | jasoncohen | how do i specify a NFS export with a space in the name? |
| 17:34.46 | SquareRt | peters: namely, per-process group namespaces? |
| 17:35.01 | Jacobo221 | peterS: ah, then i read you wrong :P |
| 17:35.03 | SquareRt | (well, more specifically CLONE_NS attribute of fork() iirc) |
| 17:35.13 | peterS | SquareRt: per-process namespaces work regardless. just a matter of whether things like 'mount' and 'df' report them accurately for non-root users |
| 17:35.25 | SquareRt | peters: that's what I should have said lol |
| 17:35.34 | jonkri | green_earz i will read that! thank you very much. and i don't mind your spellning ;) |
| 17:35.36 | SquareRt | peters: so, if you are root... do you see all namespaces? |
| 17:35.52 | peterS | SquareRt: no, it's the same as any other process - you have whatever namespace you have |
| 17:36.04 | peterS | SquareRt: but there's very little point in giving a root shell a nonstandard namespace |
| 17:36.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: werkin?? |
| 17:36.20 | SquareRt | peters: so... say a process in a namespace mounts something.. then closes... how do you unmount it? |
| 17:36.21 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: there? |
| 17:36.26 | jharrisonwk | yes |
| 17:36.37 | peterS | SquareRt: why would it do that? |
| 17:36.57 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ping |
| 17:37.13 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: gnu.ethz.ch:48103 |
| 17:37.17 | peterS | SquareRt: anyway I think you can umount it relative to the root namespace in any case |
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| 17:38.09 | SquareRt | peters: well, say you were using the functionality to allow remote terminal users (let's say X terminals) to all mount floppies on /media/floppy ... but their suid mount tool would mount, say, an nbd (network block device) to access the floppy |
| 17:38.17 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: im too busy right now to play |
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| 17:38.23 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: in about 2 hours I can play |
| 17:38.26 | SquareRt | now let's say they forget to umount before they log out |
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| 17:38.51 | SquareRt | would I just have to umount it "blind" by knowing the mount properties and unmounting it as root? |
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| 17:38.56 | whiny | can anyone help me with mail problems ? when i read mail at work, i can't access it from home anymore, even with imap |
| 17:39.06 | peterS | SquareRt: probably |
| 17:39.07 | SquareRt | whiny: do you use pop at work? |
| 17:39.17 | whiny | SquareRt: both work and home |
| 17:39.28 | SquareRt | peters: just seems a bit sucky there's no namespace supervisor or somesuch |
| 17:39.40 | peterS | SquareRt: a global /etc/mtab doesn't make too much sense if you separate processes into their own namespaces and then give them permission to mount things |
| 17:40.24 | SquareRt | whiny: well, you'd need to either A: use IMAP at both work and home or B: either use IMAP or POP set not to delete messages from the server |
| 17:40.33 | SquareRt | at all locations |
| 17:41.01 | SquareRt | peters: hence symlinking it to /proc/self/mounts |
| 17:41.13 | whiny | SquareRt: i use imap at both home and work and still doesn't work |
| 17:41.15 | peterS | SquareRt: if you don't mind losing some features, go ahead |
| 17:41.32 | SquareRt | peters: perhaps someone should define a new format, say, /etc/gmtab that has a new field, namespace id? |
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| 17:41.52 | SquareRt | peters: as well as an inheritance attributes fielf |
| 17:41.54 | SquareRt | field* |
| 17:42.07 | kawaiikune | i'm having trouble with mozilla-thunderbird, whenever i attempt to open it, even in a console, it looks as thought it is opening, but it never actually opens |
| 17:42.11 | SquareRt | (ie whether it's inherited from the previous namespace) |
| 17:42.20 | peterS | SquareRt: stop to ask yourself if the util-linux maintainers are so stupid they didn't know about the /proc/self/mounts trick. they probably aren't that stupid. they probably just realise that the features you lose by doing that are more important to most people than the ones you gain |
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| 17:42.37 | green_earz | jonkri: with the ivan illich work you will see how knowlage as become privatised. and by compareison GNU opens up the ethical trap |
| 17:42.55 | kawaiikune | if anyone could help me with that it would be greatly appreciated |
| 17:43.03 | crashbg | wich mail client to use (i don't like KMail)? sarge+kde |
| 17:43.04 | greycat | green_earz: was that supposed to make sense? |
| 17:43.09 | kawaiikune | i checked the chrome files and they all look good |
| 17:43.12 | jonkri | green_earz :) sounds lovely |
| 17:43.14 | greycat | crashbg: mutt |
| 17:43.21 | daxal | kawaiikune: does top or ps show it's running? |
| 17:43.21 | green_earz | greycat: yes |
| 17:43.28 | jonkri | thank you very much for your help |
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| 17:43.35 | SquareRt | peters: oh, I'm not saying that one should necessarily make that a default action... but that, should an installation be configured that way, there should be a mechanism for storing the same data as /etc/mtab, but with namespace info |
| 17:43.44 | whiny | SquareRt: no idea ? |
| 17:43.47 | kawaiikune | daxal: yes |
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| 17:43.58 | crashbg | greycat, maybe something with GUI ? :) |
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| 17:44.28 | SquareRt | peters: and I just realised inheritance attributes would be pointless (except for a /proc/gmounts, say) as an entry wouldn't be created by util-linux tools for inherited mounts? |
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| 17:44.36 | SquareRt | whiny: not really, sorry :( |
| 17:44.43 | daxal | kawaiikune: I'd kill them all to start with, and start a fresh new process from an xterm (or such) |
| 17:44.59 | CrAzYWolF | question |
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| 17:45.08 | CrAzYWolF | emessenger does it use the same por like msn |
| 17:45.08 | CrAzYWolF | ? |
| 17:45.09 | guzu | helo all |
| 17:45.09 | daxal | CrAzYWolF: ends in a ?. |
| 17:45.15 | guzu | anybody knows why my pptp connection hangs after 20 seconds? (linux2linux, client2lan |
| 17:45.18 | CrAzYWolF | port* |
| 17:45.37 | daxal | CrAzYWolF: if it uses the same protocol, it should |
| 17:45.53 | incorrect | guzu, i know, its because of the internet monster |
| 17:45.55 | CrAzYWolF | ok |
| 17:46.03 | CrAzYWolF | thanks |
| 17:46.34 | SquareRt | peters: I'm assuming that the features you lose are the ability to have -o user /-o users mounts? |
| 17:46.49 | peterS | SquareRt: that's the one most people care about |
| 17:46.52 | SquareRt | peters: as well as knowing where the root partition was mounted from (/dev/root indeed) |
| 17:46.53 | kawaiikune | daxal: still doesn't work, although now i get more messages in the xterm: DOUBLE-CLICK: 400 --> -1 THRESHOLD: 8 --> -1 *** loading the extensions datasource |
| 17:47.09 | kawaiikune | but it doesn't open |
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| 17:48.20 | SquareRt | peters: what's your opinion of the idea of having a separate file (eg /etc/gmtab or /etc/mtab.global) that contains mounts and the namespaces they are in? |
| 17:48.47 | peterS | SquareRt: if you need it, hack it. I can't figure out why people would go to the considerable trouble of creating per-process namespaces in the first place |
| 17:49.16 | SquareRt | peters: as in why it's "supported" at all or as in why anyone would use it? |
| 17:49.54 | peterS | SquareRt: why anyone would use it. and then why, having gone to all the trouble of using it, you would want to do your own custom namespace management anyway (cutting out the whole need for /etc/mtab) |
| 17:49.55 | Kjetil | What is the easiest way to install the rt2400 driver on woody ? |
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| 17:51.41 | TwistedEmotions | What's up oakland |
| 17:51.48 | SquareRt | peters: erm... well, my thoughts were that in the instance of a many-faced machine (whether they be directly connected terminals or remote via ethernet) you don't necessarily want the same set of removable media mountings? |
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| 17:52.11 | TwistedEmotions | oakland: you go to the A's Giant's game? |
| 17:52.27 | wargre | is someone know a good frontend debugger for linux ? |
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| 17:52.56 | raphink | hi there |
| 17:52.59 | SquareRt | peters: eg my /media/cdrom0 might be /dev/sr4 but the person next to me's "first cdrom" /media/cdrom0 might be /dev/sr0 or /dev/nbd6 |
| 17:53.06 | raphink | I'm trying to find the netinst iso for sarge |
| 17:53.08 | raphink | where can I find it? |
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| 17:53.20 | wargre | debian.org |
| 17:53.20 | greycat | !d-i |
| 17:53.21 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 17:53.51 | raphink | wargre: where in debian.org |
| 17:53.55 | raphink | this ISO is almost impossible to find |
| 17:54.04 | SquareRt | peters: and, also, I might want to mount a filesystem... but, that filesystem (it's location etc) is nobody else's business? |
| 17:54.19 | wargre | well look dpkg info |
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| 17:54.36 | SquareRt | peters: eg I could write a PAM session (I think it would be session) module to change the namespace? |
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| 17:55.30 | SquareRt | actually... I don't think that would work... as it has to be a fork (or exec?) to change the namespace iirc.. so it would have to be a modified login/gdm/ssh/etc |
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| 17:55.54 | SquareRt | peters: or am I talking _complete_ twaddle now? |
| 17:56.11 | peterS | SquareRt: you can do all this. I just can't figure out why you'd want to bother |
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| 17:57.39 | SquareRt | peters: do you think centralised processing is not going to be in vogue any time soon for the desktop user? |
| 17:57.55 | SquareRt | (whether it be home, small business, school...) |
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| 17:58.17 | SquareRt | peters: any idea how LTSP handles floppy drives? |
| 17:58.32 | peterS | SquareRt: thin clients have *always* been around. they're not going away. I very much doubt they're about to suddenly get popular again though |
| 17:58.49 | AldarHawk | anyone know why when I get to the X part of the Jigdo DVD download it drops to 300bps? |
| 17:59.07 | Delph | SquareRt: what; gmail and all the other applications running over port 80... it's already here. |
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| 17:59.30 | Big_Wolf | If I installed debian from a chroot instead of with the tradition boot CD method, did I miss anything vital? Cause I can't figure out how to make alsa work, and I don't think it's supposed to be this hard. |
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| 17:59.44 | SquareRt | delph: you think that graphics responsibility is just moving towards the client side? |
| 17:59.54 | valdyn | !alsa 2.6 |
| 17:59.54 | dpkg | On Sarge with a 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, apt-get install alsa-utils discover1. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 18:00.29 | Big_Wolf | ok |
| 18:00.32 | wargre | ! |
| 18:01.01 | Big_Wolf | is there anything else that I don't get if I install from a chroot? |
| 18:01.04 | valdyn | Big_Wolf: discover(1) is not needed, discover works in place of discover1 ( though its not required ) |
| 18:01.31 | wargre | how can debug a module? |
| 18:01.33 | greycat | if you don't use discover/hotplug, you can always put the module names you need into /etc/modules |
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| 18:01.58 | SquareRt | wargre: in what sense? |
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| 18:03.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: si senor |
| 18:03.39 | SquareRt | peters: that's a point... how's support for multiple consoles going (ruby/backstreet etc)? |
| 18:03.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: #bub-n-bros |
| 18:03.59 | SquareRt | peters: last time I recall it brought up some interesting questions about VTs lol |
| 18:03.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: but i'm at work :) |
| 18:04.02 | berzerka | is it possible to get human-readable output of filesizes in midnight commander (mc)? or does someone know for sure that it's not possible? |
| 18:04.47 | peterS | SquareRt: got put on hold when kernel 2.6 wanted to get released without it. I haven't heard what they were up to since then |
| 18:05.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: ask some friends to join us from there as well! |
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| 18:05.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: you know all the same people i do :) |
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| 18:05.47 | patan | hola |
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| 18:06.26 | juan__ | somebody knows a goog experimental repositry? |
| 18:06.33 | juan__ | repository |
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| 18:06.50 | Zrin | i need help with cdrw setup under sarge with 2.4.27, i'm following cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup but with no luck. my DVD-RW is on hda, i've added option to atapi driver to ignore hda, added ide-scsi to modules and added hda=ide-scsi to menue.lst for grub. but my device is still not detected |
| 18:07.07 | CrAzYWolF | whats the command of the firewall i want to block port 569 <-- Msn port to see if emessenger stops to work |
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| 18:07.49 | valdyn | Zrin: "not detected" ? |
| 18:08.02 | Nielsen | Zrin: cdrecord -dev=ATAPI -scanbus ? |
| 18:08.05 | rue_mohr | anyone here able to talk with me about opennms? |
| 18:08.05 | ptlis | Any way to get gnome to deal with Daylight Savings? |
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| 18:08.29 | valdyn | Zrin: dmesg | grep cdrom |
| 18:08.31 | Zrin | valdyn: i expect some message about CD/DVD drive at boot time and to access it through /dev/scd0 |
| 18:08.59 | ptlis | Setting the clock in gnome back by an hour changes my system clock - which means Windows is one hour behind. Setting the time in Windows forwards again makes the time wrong in gnome... |
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| 18:09.48 | Zrin | Nielsen: shows nothing, which is logical because i have "ide-cd ignore=\"hda\" in modules, and ide-cd writes "ignoring hda" on boot |
| 18:10.03 | valdyn | Zrin: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
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| 18:10.26 | Zrin | valdyn: mo cdrom in dmesg |
| 18:11.07 | Zrin | valdyn: two scsi hosts there - for 2 SATA controllers, that's all |
| 18:11.15 | CrAzYWolF | whats the command of the firewall |
| 18:11.16 | CrAzYWolF | ? |
| 18:11.29 | Zrin | valdyn: no cdrom in dmesg |
| 18:11.31 | greycat | CrAzYWolF: you *probably* mean iptables. |
| 18:11.37 | berzerka | CrAzYWolF, the port 'should be' closed as long as you havent explicitly opened it.. but you would append a rule to the input chain which forbids connections on tcp port 569, iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 569 -j DROP |
| 18:11.49 | valdyn | Zrin: you dont have your scsi modules loaded i suspect, i dont know atm how theyre called |
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| 18:12.28 | berzerka | CrAzYWolF: i dont know if thats syntactically correct, but the iptables man page should tell you |
| 18:12.32 | CrAzYWolF | ok so the firewall is the iptables |
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| 18:13.03 | Zrin | valdyn: modprobe shows the modules loaded (?): ide-scsi and sg |
| 18:13.31 | greycat | ide-scsi on a box that has SATA? |
| 18:13.51 | Zrin | greycat: i have raid on SATA and DVD-RW on hda |
| 18:14.01 | greycat | Zrin: what kernel? |
| 18:14.19 | Zrin | greycat: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:14.23 | greycat | Zrin: ok. |
| 18:14.42 | valdyn | Zrin: lsmod | grep sg |
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| 18:14.44 | valdyn | Zrin: is your cdrom listed in /proc/ide/ ? |
| 18:14.44 | valdyn | greycat: sata cdroms are still rare or hardly exist |
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| 18:14.49 | greycat | it seems most SATA users prefer 2.6, but if yours works on 2.4, excellent. |
| 18:15.08 | Zrin | greycat: i have ide-cd ignore=\"hda\" in modules - is this ok? |
| 18:15.08 | greycat | valdyn: I wasn't referring to that, but rather, to the use of ide-scsi on a box that I thought likely ot be running a 2.6.x kernel. |
| 18:15.18 | valdyn | greycat: ok, i see |
| 18:15.27 | greycat | Zrin: I've never used that syntax before. no idea. |
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| 18:16.01 | Zrin | valdyn: in /proc/ide i see hda -> ide0/hda/ |
| 18:16.06 | berzerka | erm.. CrAzYWolF, maybe you should learn some fundamentals first. take a look at the linux network administrators guide (tldp.org), and then at the packet filtering HOWTO's at netfilter.org. if youve read all that, come back, then youll probably be able to ask more precise questions.. |
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| 18:16.30 | aleitner_ | since yesterdays upgrade i cannot connect to a box of mine anymore (ssh, error is "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host") |
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| 18:16.46 | Zrin | greycat: the syntax works (ide-cd reports "ignoring hda") but do i need that? |
| 18:16.51 | Rawplayer | nice ip The_SSho1 |
| 18:16.59 | valdyn | Zrin: you shouldnt need that "ignore.." line, just hdx=ide-scsi |
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| 18:17.20 | Zrin | valdyn: ok, i'll bb after reboot... |
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| 18:17.25 | Zrin | thanks |
| 18:17.27 | greycat | Zrin: you need *some* way to force hda to be handled by ide-scsi instead of ide-cd. |
| 18:17.38 | garttt | unable to mount root fs -- what do you think would cause that problem |
| 18:17.39 | greycat | Zrin: I don't know what all of those ways are. |
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| 18:17.59 | greycat | garttt: usually, a custom kernel. |
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| 18:18.30 | Zrin | greycat: i turned off ide-cd handling it, and added hda=ide-scsi to the kernel line in grub's menue.lst |
| 18:18.42 | berzerka | CrAzYWolF, concerning your question, iptables is the program with which you manage the packet filter (firewall if you want to) of your kernel. but youll read about that, just be patient and take some time to learn the basics. |
| 18:18.48 | garttt | greycat: Could using an acpi kernel cause that? |
| 18:19.08 | CrAzYWolF | got it berzerka |
| 18:19.08 | greycat | what the hell is "an acpi kernel"? is that some new OS like OpenBSD or Linux? |
| 18:19.20 | Zrin | greycat: after altering grub's menue.lst, i just need to reboot (unlike with lilo) is that correct? |
| 18:19.38 | peterS | Zrin: ja |
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| 18:19.43 | greycat | Zrin: if you edited one of the commented lines, you must run update-grub |
| 18:19.45 | Zrin | peterS: thx |
| 18:19.50 | valdyn | Zrin: i scrolled up, i see your telling ide-cd to ignore hda, but nothing about hda being told to be ide-scsi |
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| 18:20.24 | greycat | valdyn: if ide-scsi appears in /etc/modules, it should take over at that point... |
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| 18:20.30 | [2D2D]Supporter | Hi! I am trying to have some domain update script updating my domain on boot in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/. On boot it execute the script, but the domain is not updated for some reason. But if I do "ifdown internet" and "ifupinternet" the script is working. Any idea why? |
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| 18:21.03 | Zrin | valdyn: kernel /boot/vmlinuz... root=/dev/md0 ro hda=ide-scsi |
| 18:21.08 | valdyn | greycat: yea, as long as ide-cd is not in it before that. |
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| 18:21.20 | greycat | Zrin: you edited one of the NON-commented lines, that will be ripped out when you upgrade the kernel?? |
| 18:21.29 | Zrin | greycat: shall i remove ide-cd from modules? |
| 18:21.38 | valdyn | Zrin: yea |
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| 18:21.45 | Zrin | greycat: i edited the commented line, then update-grub |
| 18:21.50 | greycat | ok |
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| 18:22.14 | [2D2D]Supporter | It's almost as if there is no internet access when /ppp/ip-up.d/ runs on boot. |
| 18:22.15 | CyL | [2D2D]Supporter: You mean updating ip's in dynamic dns? |
| 18:22.21 | Zrin | ok, thanks so far, i'll try commenting out ide-cd |
| 18:22.24 | [2D2D]Supporter | CyL: yes |
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| 18:22.51 | j3g | anyone know a way to boot off a USB knoppix disk if the machine doesn't support boot-from-usb? (like... start the boot from a floppy and then continue from CD) |
| 18:22.53 | CyL | [2D2D]Supporter: you have to start the daemon linkin its startup scritps in rc.d.... |
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| 18:23.19 | pll | hi all, does anyone know if the /testing pkgs for amanda include smbclient support? If not, how can I tell? |
| 18:23.26 | valdyn | Zrin: iirc the first loaded module will determine if your cdrom is scsi / atapi unless you have that line hda=ide-scsi, in which case module loading order should be irrelevant |
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| 18:24.31 | [2D2D]Supporter | CyL: but the scripts are working fine when I do ifup ppp0 and ifdown ppp0 after boot. |
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| 18:24.48 | Zrin | valdyn: thanks, i commented out ide-cd, going to reboot |
| 18:24.58 | Diegote | Hi all. I'm having problems with my CD-ROM: it seems it is not being detected at boot time. However I know it _does_ work because e.g., I can boot Knoppix. Any hints? |
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| 18:25.06 | CyL | [2D2D]Supporter: Hmm, maybe you pp connection should be up so you can update.... |
| 18:25.21 | CyL | s/pp/ppp |
| 18:26.15 | CyL | [2D2D]Supporter: You're trying to update the ip for your pp connection? |
| 18:26.24 | CyL | s/pp/ppp |
| 18:26.39 | [2D2D]Supporter | CyL: yeah, but should scripts in /ppp/ip-up.d/ be run when the ppp link is actually up? This works fine, only not on boot. |
| 18:26.48 | [2D2D]Supporter | shouldn't |
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| 18:27.01 | jasoncohen | anyone know what package i need to install to get eventd? |
| 18:27.08 | greycat | jasoncohen: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:27.13 | dan[iel] | Hey can anyone help me out with alsa ? |
| 18:27.18 | greycat | dan[iel]: /msg dpkg alsa |
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| 18:27.43 | BucWheat | !seen deadcat |
| 18:27.44 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian (6h 25m 31s). Has said a total of 16373 messages. Is idling for 12h 21m 57s |
| 18:27.51 | BucWheat | grrr |
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| 18:28.17 | Nielsen | dan[iel]: whats the problem? |
| 18:28.34 | [2D2D]Supporter | I'm trying to run several scripts when the ppp0-link is up and running. /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ should be the right place to do that, right? |
| 18:28.49 | CyL | [2D2D]Supporter: Your computer probably cannot set the ip for ppp0 iface, since it is not up in boot time.... |
| 18:28.53 | jasoncohen | greycat, apt-cache search isnt' giving me what i'm looking for. that's why i asked here |
| 18:29.02 | jasoncohen | i also tried a synaptic name + description search |
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| 18:29.22 | valdyn | jasoncohen: i dont think an eventd is in debian |
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| 18:29.45 | greycat | jasoncohen: did you try READING what dpkg said? |
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| 18:29.57 | jasoncohen | greycat, yes |
| 18:29.58 | BucWheat | greycat what can i do about ntpdate and MTA taking 2 mins to timeout during bootup when no network connection is present? |
| 18:30.21 | CyL | [2D2D]Supporter: The iface wich ip's your trying to update is a ppp? |
| 18:30.21 | greycat | BucWheat: make sure your network connection comes up sooner. rearrange the order of boot things. |
| 18:30.34 | shamman_at_whoop | hi |
| 18:30.43 | K_Dallas | BucWheat, what i have found an easy way to handle situations like this is to install webmin and activate-deactivate from there |
| 18:30.59 | shamman_at_whoop | my first day with linux ... omg |
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| 18:31.07 | [2D2D]Supporter | CyL: didn't understand you. |
| 18:31.15 | BucWheat | greycat K_Dallas the problem is that this box will only have a network connection like once every 6 months |
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| 18:32.00 | CyL | [2D2D]Supporter: You're trying to update the ip of a ppp interface? |
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| 18:32.00 | K_Dallas | BucWheat, you need to stop it from running at the boot time |
| 18:32.00 | [2D2D]Supporter | CyL: no, for my webserver domain. |
| 18:32.16 | valdyn | BucWheat: why did you configure your mta to rely on a remote host then ( = a hostname it cannot look up when booting ) |
| 18:32.16 | greycat | BucWheat: find an MTA that doesn't do DNS lookups at boot time, then. That definitely disqualifies sendmail.... |
| 18:32.25 | shamman_at_whoop | can someone try to help me? |
| 18:32.32 | [2D2D]Supporter | I had things working before, but then Debian changed their network setup structure... |
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| 18:32.39 | greycat | valdyn: sendmail (and exim4, I think) does a DNS lookup of its *own* *friggin'* *hostname*. |
| 18:32.55 | K_Dallas | shamman_at_whoop, just do it, ask your Q ;) |
| 18:33.05 | AldarHawk | why does python2.3_2.3.5-1.deb only come at 5.2K when the rest up to this point has been coming at 900K+? |
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| 18:33.14 | valdyn | greycat: ..which should be in /etc/hosts and all will go fine |
| 18:33.19 | CyL | [2D2D]Supporter: so you have to set the ip update script to run after debian brings up the network.... |
| 18:33.19 | greycat | BucWheat: perhaps you should set up a local DNS server that only feeds your MTA the /etc/hosts stuff. There's a package for that... I forget its name.... |
| 18:33.24 | DoktorTomoe | is there any user-friendly tutorial for setting up an email server under debian sarge? |
| 18:33.25 | shamman_at_whoop | need a DirectConnect klient under linux |
| 18:33.28 | greycat | valdyn: a DNS lookup doesn't use /etc/hosts |
| 18:33.40 | greycat | valdyn: unless you've got that funny DNS server... |
| 18:33.47 | valdyn | greycat: its not doing a dns lookup then |
| 18:33.49 | greycat | something with masq in it, I think. |
| 18:33.56 | tHiaGu_ | WARNING: Get lmstat from Globetrotter Software to monitor flexlm licenses |
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| 18:34.05 | valdyn | greycat: my exim doesnt wait for a timeout.. |
| 18:34.06 | greycat | valdyn: you've lost me. are you telling me that sendmail does *not*? I assure you. It does. |
| 18:34.11 | tHiaGu_ | WARNING: Get lmstat from Globetrotter Software to monitor flexlm licenses => can help about down this? |
| 18:34.12 | greycat | exim may not. I don't know. |
| 18:34.13 | [2D2D]Supporter | CyL: that's not the problem...the problem is getting scripts to run after the ppp-link is up. |
| 18:34.14 | [2D2D]Supporter | (at boot time) |
| 18:34.16 | peterS | tHiaGu_: wtf? you're using flexlm for something? |
| 18:34.25 | valdyn | greycat: exim4 does not |
| 18:34.41 | tHiaGu_ | peterS: to install nagios, monitoring system! |
| 18:34.43 | valdyn | greycat: i know noting about sendmail |
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| 18:34.52 | BucWheat | greycat i'm using exim4 now |
| 18:34.52 | greycat | valdyn: you're fortunate. |
| 18:34.56 | shamman_at_whoop | oh my god this whoopix is a dumb system .... oh ... my old solaris :\ |
| 18:35.02 | greycat | !find masq sarge |
| 18:35.04 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'masq' (4): dnsmasq ;; ipmasq ;; ipmasqadm ;; masqmail. |
| 18:35.06 | [2D2D]Supporter | Or way, CyL: you might actually be on to something. Perhaps named isn't running! |
| 18:35.10 | greycat | dnsmasq is probably it. |
| 18:35.12 | [2D2D]Supporter | At that point |
| 18:35.14 | peterS | tHiaGu_: nagios is free software. why would it use flexlm? |
| 18:35.25 | BucWheat | greycat i'm looking into dnsmasq |
| 18:35.50 | BucWheat | greycat what is the purpose of having an MTA if i do not host my own email server? |
| 18:35.59 | greycat | BucWheat: local deliveries |
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| 18:36.15 | tHiaGu_ | peterS: i see this warning in ./configure command |
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| 18:36.17 | BucWheat | greycat from programs to root or from users to users? |
| 18:36.20 | valdyn | BucWheat: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, dont feed to names it cant lookup |
| 18:36.31 | peterS | tHiaGu_: very very strange. why not use the debian packaging for nagios though? |
| 18:36.49 | greycat | BucWheat: from cron, primarily. |
| 18:36.56 | tHiaGu_ | ((peterS)): i compiling it ... |
| 18:36.57 | BucWheat | k |
| 18:37.07 | peterS | tHiaGu_: I know. why are you compiling it? |
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| 18:37.16 | tHiaGu_ | ((peterS)): because the version is old version in apt-get |
| 18:37.47 | [2D2D]Supporter | CyL: Think I got the problem: bind is started after ppp in rc2.d |
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| 18:38.03 | peterS | tHiaGu_: 1.3-cvs.20050402-2 is old? if 20050402 is a date, that's less than 2 months old |
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| 18:38.26 | tHiaGu_ | ((peterS)): the new version is 1.4 :D |
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| 18:38.45 | peterS | tHiaGu_: repeat: that's less than 2 months old |
| 18:38.48 | [2D2D]Supporter | Thanx, CyL. Gonna test... |
| 18:38.50 | peterS | tHiaGu_: and please stop with the (()) crap |
| 18:39.01 | tHiaGu_ | ok! sorry |
| 18:39.02 | BucWheat | valdyn i didn't see the optioin you suggested |
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| 18:39.27 | valdyn | BucWheat: i suggested an option? |
| 18:39.38 | martin | hey :) I've compiled my kernel on amd 64 but uname -a shows i686 instead of x86_64 (the kernel is configured to use AMD64).any ideas? |
| 18:40.08 | peterS | martin: probably uname is a 32-bit binary |
| 18:40.10 | BucWheat | valdyn i thought that was an "option" in exim4-config sorry |
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| 18:40.35 | martin | peterS: mm.. intresting :) should I use the packages from amd64.debian.org? |
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| 18:40.46 | valdyn | BucWheat: no, it isnt, just dont feed it names that you cannot resolve via /etc/hosts |
| 18:40.58 | BucWheat | k |
| 18:40.58 | martin | peterS: .net,even? |
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| 18:41.02 | peterS | martin: does not exist. amd64.debian.net you may mean |
| 18:41.26 | peterS | martin: if you want a fast i686 with the ability to use huge amounts of memory, you've got that already |
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| 18:41.44 | peterS | martin: if you want something that uses 64-bit mode for things that honestly you'll never know the difference, you want the packages from amd64.debian.net |
| 18:41.54 | martin | peterS: thanks :) |
| 18:41.58 | furrywolf | lol |
| 18:42.03 | CyL | How do I swap my mouse buttons? |
| 18:42.38 | peterS | martin: to verify your actual kernel, try 'cat /proc/version' |
| 18:42.41 | furrywolf | peterS: actually, on some 64 bit sparc machines, I noticed compiling for 64 bit ran SLOWER than compiling for 32 bit... :P |
| 18:42.44 | wintix | how many open files can 2.6.11 kernel handle? |
| 18:42.50 | BucWheat | valdyn this is all i have in /etc/hosts |
| 18:42.51 | BucWheat | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost mla |
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| 18:42.58 | valdyn | CyL: you are using gnome / kde ? |
| 18:43.04 | CyL | valdyn: kde |
| 18:43.05 | greycat | BucWheat: you didn't define a FQDN. No wonder. |
| 18:43.06 | peterS | furrywolf: yep. that's why Debian ships mainly 32-bit apps for use on sparcv9, as does everyone else in the world |
| 18:43.11 | DoktorTomoe | is there any user-friendly tutorial for setting up an email server under debian sarge? |
| 18:43.13 | FromTO | I am working on a remote machine from the local one and want to print locally through ssh. But I would rather instruct the remote machine to do so. is there a way to do this |
| 18:43.15 | greycat | BucWheat: make it "... localhost mla.local mla" |
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| 18:43.20 | peterS | furrywolf: this is not true of amd64, however. amd64 really does run faster in 64-bit mode for most purposes |
| 18:43.24 | CrAzYWolF | w00f |
| 18:43.25 | valdyn | CyL: look in your kde control panel |
| 18:43.28 | BucWheat | valdyn oh, and some ipv6 bits but i've commented those out |
| 18:43.37 | valdyn | CyL: i cant tell you where its exactly though unfortunately |
| 18:43.45 | valdyn | BucWheat: you can ignore those |
| 18:43.45 | furrywolf | peterS: seeing as I doubt I'll own an amd64 machine within the next 10 years, doesn't matter too much. :P |
| 18:44.05 | valdyn | BucWheat: your /etc/mailname can only be localhost.localdomain then i think |
| 18:44.08 | jasoncohen | i can't get X11 forwarding working in SSH. i set X11Forwarding to yes in sshd_config |
| 18:44.10 | BucWheat | greycat so 127.0.0.1 localhost mla.local mla ? |
| 18:44.13 | peterS | furrywolf: most new machines sold are amd64 compatibles, I think. if you don't buy a new machine in the next 10 years that may be true |
| 18:44.18 | jasoncohen | and also in ssh_config on the client |
| 18:44.34 | valdyn | BucWheat: or mla.local |
| 18:44.34 | CyL | valdyn: But isn't there a sollution to make this work with X in general? The sollution in KDE cc is not what I want... I would like to swap my 6th and 2nd mouse buttons... kde only allows me to switch it to left handed mapping... |
| 18:44.38 | furrywolf | peterS: I can't afford to buy anything other than garage sale hardware... |
| 18:44.39 | greycat | BucWheat: keep the OTHER ENTRIES. Jeez. Don't you people understand the concept of an *ellipsis*? |
| 18:44.48 | peterS | BucWheat: it's usually recommended to use a different IP address for names other than localhost. like, say, 127.0.1.1 |
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| 18:45.11 | peterS | furrywolf: those atari 2600s and apple IIgses are not likely to be amd64-compatible any time soon, then |
| 18:45.12 | BucWheat | greycat i don't understand ellipsis the ... meant to keep 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost mla |
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| 18:45.33 | BucWheat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.37 | BucWheat | on a separate line ? |
| 18:45.42 | furrywolf | peterS: I put together my dual p3-866 with 2gb of ram from garage sale parts... only thing I bought new was the fansinks. :P |
| 18:45.56 | greycat | *thud* *thud* *thud* |
| 18:46.20 | RichiH | heh |
| 18:46.22 | peterS | is there reason to believe BucWheat shouldn't be running nullmailer? |
| 18:46.41 | RichiH | just glancing over the channel, i know greycat has encountered a Slow One, again |
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| 18:47.06 | BucWheat | RichiH that is okay :) |
| 18:47.15 | furrywolf | richih: this happens often. that's why I only help those I deem not to be slow ones. :P |
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| 18:48.05 | jasoncohen | anyone know how to get X11 forwarding working in SSH? i've enabled it in sshd_config on the server and ssh_config on the client but it's still not workig |
| 18:48.07 | jasoncohen | *working |
| 18:48.14 | resiak | !sshx |
| 18:48.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 18:48.19 | furrywolf | jason: tried ssh -X |
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| 18:48.48 | furrywolf | ssh -X root@localhost? LOL! how to waste even more cpu cycles than X normally does. :P |
| 18:48.51 | jasoncohen | furrywolf, that works |
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| 18:49.04 | jasoncohen | furrywolf, how do i enable X11 forwarding by default? |
| 18:49.17 | furrywolf | jason: dunno. tried man ssh? :) |
| 18:49.21 | RichiH | furrywolf: for people not wanting to to change their magic cookie, i presume |
| 18:49.26 | greycat | jasoncohen: man sshd_config; man ssh_config |
| 18:49.30 | jasoncohen | ok |
| 18:49.59 | caphuso | and X doesn't use a lot of CPU cycles anyways, so it |
| 18:50.06 | caphuso | 's irrelevant if you add a few more or not |
| 18:50.17 | furrywolf | richih: but unless you use the null encryption method, encrypting and decrypting the x11 traffic for a local connection is just... ugly! |
| 18:50.30 | greycat | openssh has no null cipher. |
| 18:50.31 | RichiH | furrywolf: of course |
| 18:50.42 | RichiH | greycat: and a good thing, also |
| 18:51.15 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: u whore you therE? |
| 18:51.22 | Eclipser | !u |
| 18:51.22 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 18:51.31 | TwistedEmotions | thanks. |
| 18:51.35 | TwistedEmotions | That was great |
| 18:51.41 | Eclipser | wasn't it? |
| 18:51.48 | TwistedEmotions | agreed. |
| 18:52.03 | furrywolf | twisted: stop it with the bloody "u". I think at least 20 different people have done a !u in your direction. if you can't bother to type out three letter words, do you really think people should be spending their time to help you? |
| 18:52.28 | jasoncohen | i don't see anything in man ssh_config about automatically allowing X11 tunneling |
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| 18:52.40 | jasoncohen | just ForwardX11 and ForwardX11Trusted |
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| 18:52.46 | furrywolf | jason: if you want to be lazy, aliasing ssh to ssh -X works. :) |
| 18:52.48 | greycat | jasoncohen: read it SLOWER. |
| 18:52.58 | prozac | I'm new too Debian ... can i search the internet for programs using apt-get ? |
| 18:52.59 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: at least 10 people has told you to type twi <tab> ... it's not a matter of doing it on purpose... just habit ;) |
| 18:53.19 | greycat | prozac: man apt-cache |
| 18:53.26 | furrywolf | twi<tab>: this client doesn't seem to have tab completition... if you want to make it suddenly develop it, be my guest. :P |
| 18:53.31 | greycat | prozac: or consider aptitude, or even tasksel |
| 18:53.33 | prozac | greycat: thanks |
| 18:53.44 | furrywolf | dselect > * :P |
| 18:53.48 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: get a new IRC client... |
| 18:53.58 | wintix | furrywolf: get irssi :) |
| 18:54.00 | furrywolf | twi<tab>: nah |
| 18:54.07 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: what is client do you use? |
| 18:54.18 | RichiH | greycat: tasksel is eeevil |
| 18:54.24 | RichiH | it installs all kind of crud |
| 18:54.24 | furrywolf | twi<tab>: once I get my other box stable, going to relocate this one to the spare parts pile. |
| 18:54.40 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: Ahhh... |
| 18:54.49 | furrywolf | twi<tab>: a rather outdated semi-broken ircii. |
| 18:55.02 | wintix | furrywolf: if u want it grafically use xchat |
| 18:55.12 | furrywolf | wintix: why the fuck would I want that? :P |
| 18:55.26 | wintix | furrywolf: then use irssi. |
| 18:55.37 | RichiH | indeed |
| 18:55.40 | PeTeRB | Use telnet :D |
| 18:55.40 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: update? |
| 18:55.55 | greycat | irssi > * |
| 18:55.57 | furrywolf | I use bitchx on my other box... but with -12rc kernels it's unstable, so ircing from this box so I don't get disconnected with the semi-daily hangs... |
| 18:55.58 | wintix | i have an perl-irc-client here, also. |
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| 18:56.15 | furrywolf | twi<tab>: dpkg is also broken on this box |
| 18:56.26 | furrywolf | I've been installing from tarballs for several years. :) |
| 18:56.39 | Eclipser | o.O |
| 18:56.45 | Eclipser | ever considered fixing it? |
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| 18:57.01 | furrywolf | Eclipser: gives me an experience of what slack users have to do. :P |
| 18:57.13 | Eclipser | furrywolf, then use slack :) |
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| 18:57.57 | Jondo | Hi, whats wrong with this crontab entry? It keeps running 'john touch /home/john/touchtest' as the command: 35 13 * * * john touch /home/john/touchtest |
| 18:58.24 | caphuso | Jondo: personal crontabs don't have the user field |
| 18:58.25 | furrywolf | as I said, I'm retiring this box soon... I've always used a dual-boxes setup, with x2x between the boxes to warp the mouse/keyboard between monitors... going to replace it with a single dual-head box. |
| 18:58.40 | Jondo | caphuso: ahh cool ok |
| 18:58.43 | caphuso | only those in /etc/cron* do |
| 18:59.19 | furrywolf | it's a p2-350, which is getting a bit slow, and there's really no reason for me to have two separate boxes anymore... but the latest kernels all seem unstable. |
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| 18:59.28 | furrywolf | yet I need the latest kernels to make hardware work |
| 18:59.49 | Jondo | thanks |
| 19:00.06 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.13 | furrywolf | this box, however, is very stable. :) |
| 19:00.22 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: What do you mena all the latest kernels seem very unstable? |
| 19:00.25 | TwistedEmotions | *mean |
| 19:00.43 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: You sure it isnt some kind of a hardware glitch? |
| 19:00.57 | furrywolf | twi<tab>: everything past .11.7, on both my box and a relative's, has random hard lockups, correlated to high network activity... |
| 19:01.16 | Madmardigan | please, everyone here read this site: http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net... it is EXTREMELY important, and keep in mind that it was compiled by many of the world's leading experts on the subject |
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| 19:01.24 | furrywolf | twi<tab>: no instability if I go back to .6.8, but half my hardware dies. :P |
| 19:01.47 | furrywolf | @ops Madmardigan is spamming |
| 19:01.47 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Madmardigan is spamming |
| 19:01.47 | WhiteRabbit | Madmardigan, organic diesel to the rescue... |
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| 19:02.12 | w00t | can some one help me? |
| 19:02.20 | RichiH | !someone |
| 19:02.20 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 19:02.31 | RichiH | w00t: just ask ;) |
| 19:02.36 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: perhaps a new network card... ? Sounds like some new type of protocol is being used that causes your computer to go nuts... can you check for what changes have been made pre-post .6.8? |
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| 19:03.17 | w00t | i got this new wireless ok im trying to shard stuff with my 3 computers how do i do? |
| 19:03.31 | furrywolf | twi<tab>: I highly doubt both of our network cards simultaniously failed to cause the exact same random symptoms... from poking at it, I think it's something related to the motherboard chipset. |
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| 19:04.12 | douglas | my porn site is getting hotlinked all over the place .. how'd i go about getting apache to detect and defend against this, either by not sending any data or instead just sending the goatse guy to hotlink calls? |
| 19:04.12 | LoRez | douglas: try #apache |
| 19:04.12 | greycat | what the fuck is "hotlink"? |
| 19:04.12 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: it has to be something that they added to the kernel... check to see what is listed in the change logs and see if anything rings a bell.. as far as software/network settings |
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| 19:04.15 | Nielsen | douglas: check for referers and redirect if not local |
| 19:04.16 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: a hotdob |
| 19:04.19 | TwistedEmotions | *hotdog |
| 19:04.22 | furrywolf | douglas: try rm'ing the porn. will fix it quite easily. |
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| 19:04.36 | w00t | how do i shard???????? |
| 19:04.40 | greycat | furrywolf: you haven't found the right porn yet, then. |
| 19:04.48 | greycat | w00t: shard is a noun. |
| 19:04.56 | douglas | greycat: it's when people on other sites do an <img src="http://a_remote_site"> |
| 19:05.12 | d03boy | i just got an idea... what would happen if I had a router and I plugged one end of an ethernet wire into it, and then I plugged the other end into it again? |
| 19:05.13 | furrywolf | greycat: or I just don't see why people find naked pictures so interesting? |
| 19:05.23 | PerfDave | douglas: WHat, you mean using the web as it was intended? :) |
| 19:05.24 | greycat | douglas: then use cookies or reject based on referer or something. As LoRez said, #apache. |
| 19:05.30 | w00t | i mean on windows |
| 19:05.33 | furrywolf | d03boy: been hitting the bong a bit too often today, eh? |
| 19:05.38 | douglas | ok, thanks |
| 19:05.45 | greycat | douglas: or dijjerize it if you think dijjer's ready for that. |
| 19:05.47 | TwistedEmotions | furrywolf: thats because you stare at naked pictures of yourself... try fine women. |
| 19:05.48 | d03boy | lol... I just have this wire sitting here and it came to mind :\ |
| 19:05.48 | furrywolf | referer checking is BAD. |
| 19:05.49 | w00t | how do i shard stuff on windows 2 pc and 1 linux laptop |
| 19:05.55 | greycat | w00t: do you mean "share"? |
| 19:06.03 | w00t | yes |
| 19:06.04 | furrywolf | I send nasty emails to any site I find using referer checking. |
| 19:06.05 | douglas | !dijjerize |
| 19:06.07 | greycat | w00t: samba. |
| 19:06.08 | TwistedEmotions | w00t: sambe |
| 19:06.12 | TwistedEmotions | Errrr |
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| 19:06.18 | TwistedEmotions | !tell w00t about samba |
| 19:06.23 | greycat | furrywolf: geocities must get a LOT of your email traffic, then. |
| 19:06.43 | furrywolf | greycat: I've never actually seen a site on geocities in a few years... they even still exist? |
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| 19:07.28 | furrywolf | in fact, if I recall correctly, various http RFCs mention the referer header as optional... |
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| 19:07.44 | furrywolf | mis-spelled, of course. :) |
| 19:07.54 | TwistedEmotions | Geocities was the worst idea ever... just became a site with a bunch of advertisements.. and all the decent pages were killed for random dumbshit reasons. |
| 19:08.09 | beginner | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.20 | furrywolf | beginner: #ubuntu |
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| 19:08.23 | SquareRt | twistedemotions: and it's almost impossible to find the half-decent stuff on there |
| 19:08.45 | Purice | hi there ... could anyone give me a hint about how to set the speed of a USB mouse ... the Option "Resolution" thing seems not to be working |
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| 19:09.11 | SquareRt | twistedemotions: and at our college it's filtered because there's so much random shite on there, so teachers find their stock handouts have links to geocities sites that don't work |
| 19:09.12 | greycat | Purice: xset can do it. |
| 19:09.25 | SquareRt | of course, the book's stupid for listing geocities sites lol |
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| 19:09.31 | TwistedEmotions | SquareRt: when it first came out there were some decent pages regaurding computing/studies of all sorts... but then no one kept up their pages.. and geocities killed all the good/bad pages alike due to inactivity. |
| 19:09.43 | douglas | greycat: know of a good rackmount server dealer? |
| 19:10.01 | furrywolf | douglas: ebay. :P |
| 19:10.12 | douglas | nice. |
| 19:10.35 | TwistedEmotions | SquareRt: now a days everyone has their own web hosting space so it doesnt make sense anymore... not to mention most people got over the whole make a website just because I can phase. |
| 19:10.47 | SquareRt | twistedemotions: heh heh |
| 19:10.47 | furrywolf | except keep in mind that paypal is evil, not your friend, and will steal your money. |
| 19:10.54 | SquareRt | twistedemotions: that's what blogs are for ;) |
| 19:11.01 | furrywolf | lol |
| 19:11.03 | TwistedEmotions | SquareRt: true... |
| 19:11.06 | SquareRt | twistedemotions: to bring back eternal september |
| 19:11.08 | Kwidgebo | hello can anyone help me fix firefox on my debian sarge system? its segfaulting (hopefully others have seen this too, I didn't do anything special) |
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| 19:11.16 | greycat | !bts |
| 19:11.17 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 19:11.19 | PerfDave | I have no web hosting space other than my Apache server on my Debian box :) |
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| 19:11.26 | SquareRt | !eternal september |
| 19:11.26 | greycat | PerfDave: what's wrong with that? |
| 19:11.35 | douglas | furrywolf: are 2x1ghz processors better than one 2ghz chip, as far as serving goes? |
| 19:11.38 | SquareRt | twistedemotions: I guess it hasn't heard of it |
| 19:11.42 | PerfDave | greycat: It's quite easy for me to be slashdotted ;) |
| 19:11.44 | TwistedEmotions | !dictionary eternal september |
| 19:11.48 | greycat | douglas: probably not. |
| 19:11.51 | TwistedEmotions | Errr... nope. |
| 19:11.53 | Jacobo221 | i wonder why ppdev.ko is not being autoloaded when needed. is anyone having the same problem? |
| 19:11.57 | furrywolf | Kwidgebo: don't bother. firefox has more bugs than a rotting whale on a sunny beach. |
| 19:12.07 | TwistedEmotions | !definition eternal september |
| 19:12.09 | SquareRt | twistedemotions: of course, eternal september ended when AOL stopped providing news servers a few months back |
| 19:12.25 | furrywolf | douglas: probably not. and it'll cost you more too. |
| 19:12.41 | w00t | quit |
| 19:12.45 | PerfDave | Kwidgebo: Under what circumstances is it segfaulting? Removing or at least moving your $HOME/.firefox directory may fix it. |
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| 19:13.10 | Delph | douglas: on a webserver box you're likely to be IO bound. Unless you're doing absolutely shedloads of backend processing. |
| 19:13.12 | TwistedEmotions | SquareRt: Alone reason why AOL and Microsoft should merge and then we could just use DoS attacks on one website. |
| 19:13.13 | douglas | so maybe the reason most rackmounts i'm looking at have dual processors is to split the load for overheating protection? |
| 19:13.35 | furrywolf | Delph: a porn site is unlikely to be doing much processing... |
| 19:13.42 | PerfDave | douglas: It's probably so they can sell you more expensive kit ;) |
| 19:13.44 | Delph | furrywolf: hence 'unless' |
| 19:13.46 | douglas | Delph: by backend you mean my machine doing a lot of php and databasing stuff while serving pages? |
| 19:14.02 | greycat | furrywolf: it might, if he's doing heavy cookie -> dynamic ads sorts of things. |
| 19:14.05 | Delph | douglas: no, i mean spending 30-40 seconds processing every page, and spending all that time processing. |
| 19:14.13 | peterS | douglas: most likely it's because rack space is expensive as are rack-mountable cases, so vendors figure you want the most bang for your buck |
| 19:14.18 | PerfDave | douglas: Depending on architecture, a dual CPU machine might be able to stay up if one CPU burns out, which is useful for high-availability webservers in remote colo. |
| 19:14.24 | furrywolf | douglas: they have dual cpus because many ISPs charge by the size of your box, so if you fit twice as many cpus into the same space, you spend less. :P |
| 19:14.26 | Delph | being database bound is general equvalent to being IO bound. |
| 19:14.42 | TwistedEmotions | www.TwistedEmotionsnaked.com |
| 19:14.43 | furrywolf | perfdave: name a single linux-running box that will stay up if a cpu fries. :P |
| 19:14.59 | Delph | douglas: and you tend to be able to split load over two processors better in a remote server context than in a local desktop context. |
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| 19:15.14 | Delph | (you're likely to have more than one serious process going at once) |
| 19:15.28 | peterS | furrywolf: that'd have to be SP clusters or zSeries mainframes, I think |
| 19:15.36 | PerfDave | furrywolf: I have no idea, I'm not familiar with Linux's support for HA. |
| 19:15.49 | peterS | furrywolf: both use hypervisors and virtualise your CPUs |
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| 19:15.55 | douglas | gotchya.. What is the name of this hardware that detects total panic crashes independently and do a reboot, in the event of a crash being so messed up that it can't reboot itself? |
| 19:16.17 | furrywolf | douglas: hardware watchdog |
| 19:16.32 | peterS | furrywolf: that's the point - with a hypervisor it doesn't, since the CPU set is virtual (: |
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| 19:16.40 | douglas | ahh, like the software.. thanks. |
| 19:16.49 | furrywolf | peterS: you need to buy me one of those so I can do some testing. :P |
| 19:17.03 | peterS | furrywolf: yeah, coming right up. soon as I make my first million I'll spend 3/4 of it on you |
| 19:17.09 | furrywolf | lol |
| 19:17.44 | furrywolf | douglas: do you sell sex toys, or just porn? the first makes more money, the second is boring. :P |
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| 19:18.52 | douglas | furrywolf: well to nit-pick it's classy erotica |
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| 19:18.56 | Delph | furrywolf: i'll disagree |
| 19:18.59 | TwistedEmotions | SquareRt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September |
| 19:19.00 | Delph | porn makes a lot of money. |
| 19:19.14 | douglas | not with my clickthrough rates |
| 19:19.18 | furrywolf | douglas: newer kernels have a hang-check timer, which may be useful if you don't have any hardware one. |
| 19:19.23 | oguz | hi, in dmesg i see my second primary disk as /dev/hdb but while i am mounting it i wrote /dev/hdb1 in fstab and it works |
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| 19:19.32 | oguz | what is the reason |
| 19:19.51 | douglas | furrywolf: oh so there is a reason i should go ahead and upgrade from 2.4 |
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| 19:19.56 | peterS | oguz: hdb1 is the first (and probably only) partition on hdb |
| 19:19.58 | PeTeRB | oguz: /dev/hdb is a disk, /dev/hdb1 is a partition |
| 19:19.59 | greycat | why does dpkg(8) snip the epoch number from the package version strings when you use 'dpkg -l'? |
| 19:20.09 | furrywolf | delph: porn may make money if you produce original content. if you're just an affiliate or something, with no new content, no one will sign up. so unless you're a studio, or have friends at one, porn isn't likely to make you money. |
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| 19:20.11 | greycat | Unpacking automake1.4 (from .../automake1.4_1%3a1.4-p6-9_all.deb) ... |
| 19:20.15 | TwistedEmotions | SquareRt: preety good definiton... feeling of nostalgia is present ;( |
| 19:20.15 | greycat | ii automake1.4 1.4-p6-9 |
| 19:20.28 | paulswm | oguz: you don't mount a disk, you mount a filesystem (sometimes corresponding to a physical partition), that's why it works |
| 19:20.48 | greycat | Oh great. the word epoch doesn't even *appear* in the man page. |
| 19:20.50 | peterS | greycat: oooh that's bad behavior |
| 19:20.50 | furrywolf | douglas: yep. the description of the hangcheck timer is something along the lines of "checks to see if the kernel went out to lunch for too long, and prints a warning or reboots". :) |
| 19:21.05 | paulswm | Of course it doesn't correspond to a physical partiton if it's lvm or tmpfs for instance |
| 19:21.09 | peterS | very bad behavior |
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| 19:21.16 | TwistedEmotions | greycat: What are you trying to glue? |
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| 19:21.34 | furrywolf | !tell _cow about moo |
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| 19:22.00 | tortho_ | Hi, anyone running Kylix? Ive tryed it with ubuntu, but cant get it to work correctly. |
| 19:22.02 | paulswm | furrywolf: that is weird, I was just about to type '!moo' :) |
| 19:22.03 | dan[iel] | Anyone know if there is a way to get limewire running on debian ? |
| 19:22.16 | Delph | furrywolf: nooo, distributors make a fortune. |
| 19:22.34 | douglas | furrywolf: if stability is my chief concern which kernel should i upgrade to, iyho |
| 19:22.43 | TwistedEmotions | man... if this was #contractor I would have just killed the crowd. |
| 19:22.56 | Delph | anyhow. |
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| 19:23.03 | Delph | distraction =:/ |
| 19:23.07 | alessandro_ | hi all |
| 19:23.09 | furrywolf | douglas: the one packaged with debian is supposed to be pretty stable. .12-rc3 has an uptime of about 30 minutes, so avoid it. .12-rc4 is better, but still not too stable. :) |
| 19:23.16 | furrywolf | 2.6.10 ate ext2 partitions |
| 19:23.20 | alessandro_ | how can I modify linux partition? |
| 19:23.25 | paulswm | 'epoch' != 'epoxy', maybe that's why it didn't raise many laughs |
| 19:23.40 | furrywolf | peterb: most of us have done that too. :P |
| 19:24.00 | TwistedEmotions | paulswm: therefore the joke. |
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| 19:24.07 | PeTeRB | furrywolf: I have too. Before. Just wanted to see if it hasn't changed :P |
| 19:24.19 | oguz | is there a low level format tool that i can use to format my hard disk that have some bad sectors |
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| 19:24.52 | paulswm | oguz: Use the manufacturer's utility, download it from their web site. |
| 19:24.58 | furrywolf | oguz: it won't help modern drives... if you're actually seeing bad sectors, it means the drive's automagic remapping has failed, and the drive is probably toast... |
| 19:24.59 | douglas | i shouldn't have used the word porn.. i even have an album exclusively of clothed broads, and a picture of condaliza rice |
| 19:24.59 | PerfDave | oguz: Low level formatting won't fix bad sectors. Use badblocks with mkfs. |
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| 19:26.22 | furrywolf | delph: dunno. selling sex toys makes far more money from my experience. :P |
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| 19:26.52 | paulswm | I'm still trying to come to terms with someone keeping a picture of Confy Rice. |
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| 19:26.56 | paulswm | condy |
| 19:27.13 | bucky | candi if you're nasty |
| 19:27.36 | furrywolf | no clue what/who that is |
| 19:27.53 | furrywolf | wasn't she some bush-supported type? |
| 19:27.56 | furrywolf | supporter |
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| 19:28.10 | bucky | candi rice had the german chancellor tripping all over himself |
| 19:28.26 | paulswm | furrywolf: She's the fucking U.S Secretary of State, turn on the news some time :P |
| 19:28.47 | furrywolf | paulswm: seriously? sec, googling. |
| 19:29.01 | furrywolf | umm. no. :P |
| 19:29.08 | alessandro_ | please, somebody knows how move first bootable linux partition? |
| 19:29.21 | greycat | alessandro_: partition magic, etc. |
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| 19:29.29 | furrywolf | Results 1 - 50 of about 266 for condaliza rice. <== doesn't sound like an important politician to me. :P |
| 19:29.33 | greycat | parted if you prefer Free stuff of dubious quality |
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| 19:29.40 | greycat | furrywolf: not spelled right. |
| 19:29.51 | peterS | furrywolf: yeah, try condolezza |
| 19:30.02 | peterS | or, wait, something like that. condoleeza? |
| 19:30.04 | furrywolf | Dr. Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor |
| 19:30.09 | peterS | hey, I was close |
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| 19:30.54 | furrywolf | I gave up on the US government a while ago. don't bother paying attention to it anymore. just depressing. |
| 19:31.11 | peterS | I have a private theory that she gets shat upon as much as she does because she's such a traitor to black people as to serve in a republican administration. I could be wrong though |
| 19:31.15 | douglas | yes .. Dr. Rice .. i ain't jiving neither |
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| 19:31.57 | Eclipser | hmm hmm |
| 19:32.16 | douglas | also got a Black Chicks album for the brothers |
| 19:32.18 | Eclipser | how would I play an SVCD in .bin/.cue format? |
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| 19:32.21 | furrywolf | heh... www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/ricebio.html "Dr. Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor.". www.whitehouse.gov/government/rice-bio.html "Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice". |
| 19:32.35 | furrywolf | you'd think they could keep their pages consistent... |
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| 19:32.46 | Eclipser | :) |
| 19:32.56 | peterS | she certainly used to be national security advisor. I guess she took on secstate more recently |
| 19:33.01 | jbmigel | Eclipser i think you have to burn that crap |
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| 19:33.15 | Eclipser | I don't want to :< |
| 19:33.18 | furrywolf | douglas: no girls-with-strapons-doing-guys section? |
| 19:33.24 | douglas | NO |
| 19:33.25 | K_Dallas | Eclipser, mplayer plays it right away from the bin |
| 19:33.29 | peterS | Eclipser: then ask whoever you got it from for a physical CD |
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| 19:33.54 | PerfDave | peterS: Or possibly because she's second only after Dubya himself in the crazy religious nutjob stakes. |
| 19:33.55 | Trewas | Eclipser: or you can use vcdrip to extract mpegs from the .bin file |
| 19:33.55 | Delph | douglas: aww |
| 19:34.05 | bomb | i just moved to uk and i am trying to set my clock, rdate -s <host> keeps hanging |
| 19:34.07 | peterS | PerfDave: see that's what I'm talking about |
| 19:34.08 | alessandro_ | graycat |
| 19:34.08 | bomb | any suggestions? |
| 19:34.10 | K_Dallas | Eclipser, the otherway is to use binchunk to convert it to iso and then mount and play it |
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| 19:34.15 | greycat | PerfDave: no, there's quite a line of them. |
| 19:34.23 | PerfDave | peterS: I don't think her colour's got anything to do with it, really. |
| 19:34.23 | greycat | PerfDave: Wolfowitz, for one. |
| 19:34.38 | alessandro_ | the problem is: if linux starts... how can i move its partition? |
| 19:34.38 | PerfDave | greycat: Is Wolfowitz as bad as Condi? That's not the impression I've received. |
| 19:34.56 | PerfDave | alessandro_: Why are you trying to move partitions around? |
| 19:35.27 | greycat | PerfDave: well, I tend to avoid mainstream news most of the time, so maybe I've missed some of the Condi headlines. |
| 19:35.29 | douglas | sorry Delph but i got standards.. for instance, i'm about to delete all pictures of girls with tattoos and tongue rings because i am opposed on personal principle to chicks doing that |
| 19:35.36 | paulswm | Wolfowitz is a war monger. |
| 19:36.12 | Eclipser | K_Dallas, thanks, I didn't know mplayer can play it :) |
| 19:36.15 | alessandro_ | because I want to put windows one at the begin of disk |
| 19:36.17 | paulswm | I hate tattoos on women, also |
| 19:36.18 | PerfDave | greycat: TBH, I don't go *that* in-depth into the senior ranks of the US Government, so I'm happy to admit to being wrong on this ;) |
| 19:36.20 | K_Dallas | ;) pleasure |
| 19:36.26 | douglas | right on paulswm |
| 19:36.38 | dabreegster | Eclipser: mplayer can play almost anything besides "interactive" media like flash |
| 19:36.38 | PerfDave | Depends on the woman, depends on the tattoo. |
| 19:36.42 | PerfDave | My ex's tatts were hawt |
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| 19:36.47 | paulswm | douglas: and those tongue piercings, eeew |
| 19:37.02 | douglas | paulswm: i just find it sleezy |
| 19:37.05 | paulswm | I'd rather kiss a goat. |
| 19:37.07 | douglas | the piercings |
| 19:37.11 | icyfire0573 | actually ive used mplayer to play flash files |
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| 19:37.22 | PerfDave | paulswm: Nah, the goat would try to eat your face, and not in a good way :) |
| 19:37.23 | dabreegster | icyfire0573: how? |
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| 19:37.26 | WhiteRabbit | o come on nothing like someone with metal in the mouth on purpose |
| 19:37.40 | paulswm | PerfDave: HAHA, you are right, I'm sure :) |
| 19:37.47 | PerfDave | alessandro_: Oh, you want to swap two partitions around? That'd be... hard. Maybe Partition Magic could do it, but that costs $$$ |
| 19:37.48 | icyfire0573 | mplayer file.swf, sometimes it works , sometimes it looks like crap, sometimes the audio dosen't work, but ive done it |
| 19:37.55 | dabreegster | icyfire0573: There's a funny cartoon called The End of the World. I can't play it with mplayer because it has a 'play' button to start it. That's not interactivity. That's just b.s. |
| 19:38.12 | gall | make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install && depmod -ae && make install ? |
| 19:38.12 | dabreegster | icyfire0573: did it have 'interactive' elements like pressing a start button? |
| 19:38.16 | PerfDave | furrywolf: I'm failing to see why tattoos or piercings are incompatiable with being loving, caring, mature or intelligent :) |
| 19:38.23 | gall | I must write all thid to compile kernel 2.4 ? |
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| 19:38.35 | greycat | gall: why the hell would you compile a kernel? |
| 19:38.46 | greycat | and you didn't even use make-kpkg! |
| 19:38.47 | Kobaz | PerfDave: because most people who get tatoos and piercing that i've met, arent mature and inteligent, although there are exceptions |
| 19:38.47 | PerfDave | gall: (a) don't compile your own kernel (b) if you do, use make-kpkg |
| 19:38.48 | icyfire0573 | dabreegster, nope, no buttons at all |
| 19:38.55 | alessandro_ | PerfDave, i know... the problem is that windows doesn't start, and I can't manipulate partition while linux is running.... |
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| 19:38.57 | PerfDave | Kobaz: Most people aren't mature or intelligent full stop ;) |
| 19:39.04 | gall | PerfDave: But i wont some modules to choice |
| 19:39.06 | peterS | PerfDave: they're mainly indicators of not being intelligent. and not being mature when the tattoos were applied, though that could have been years before |
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| 19:39.22 | dabreegster | icyfire0573: Curse. There was a project on freshmeat designed to extract all elements from a flash file, never worked for me. |
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| 19:39.44 | PerfDave | peterS: Really? I'd take wearing designer labels and drinking Budweiser to be more of a sign of unintelligence than tattoos and piercings ;) |
| 19:39.49 | PerfDave | gall: So modprobe them. |
| 19:39.56 | peterS | PerfDave: I'd put them all in about the same camp |
| 19:40.02 | PerfDave | peterS: YMMV :) |
| 19:40.06 | gall | PerfDave: All is in the kernel ? |
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| 19:40.19 | paulswm | I'm not a big fan of tatoos, period, although my son and his swat team members have one, but that's more of a bonding brothers-in-arms thing |
| 19:40.20 | furrywolf | I also seem to be the only guy on the planet who doesn't find it interesting to oggle women's butts, so maybe I'm just odd... |
| 19:40.22 | PerfDave | gall: Debian kernel-images provide almost everything you could ever want. |
| 19:40.22 | douglas | it just makes me sad and angry at life in general to see a fly-ass honey permanently ink up her skin regardless of said maturity and the coolness of the tatoo |
| 19:40.26 | peterS | PerfDave: designer labels are easy enough to, you know, *stop wearing* |
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| 19:40.43 | PerfDave | alessandro_: Boot off a system rescue CD or tomsrtbt? |
| 19:41.16 | PerfDave | peterS: Oh, if you get a shitty tatt that you hate three years later, then that's your own damn fault. But not every tattoo or tattoed person is like that :) |
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| 19:41.19 | furrywolf | perfdave: everything you could ever want, and about a thousand times more you don't want. I get at least 10 screens of errors booting a debian kernel complaining it can't find or doesn't like my hardware. :P |
| 19:41.22 | alessandro_ | PerfDave, what is tomsrtbt? |
| 19:41.23 | Skrylar | Hello again |
| 19:41.29 | PerfDave | alessandro_: It's a rescue floppy |
| 19:41.37 | PerfDave | furrywolf: See? Nothing likes you, not even Debian. |
| 19:41.41 | greycat | furrywolf: I think anyone who spends any time in #debian must be odd. |
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| 19:41.55 | alessandro_ | PerfDave, ahhhh :( I'm on a laptop... |
| 19:42.04 | furrywolf | perfdave: and the stock debian kernels have broken wacom tablet support. they ought to be patched with the linuxwacom drivers before packaging them... |
| 19:42.17 | greycat | furrywolf: did you file a bug report? |
| 19:42.19 | douglas | one of the chief reasons i use debian is that i love the eliteness that is #debian |
| 19:42.22 | PerfDave | alessandro_: So burn the floppy image to a CD, or use a System Rescue CD, or Knoppix, or something else. |
| 19:42.30 | js_ | ive set up NIS on my network of 3 linux boxes.. however, i cant login with a user i newly added on the master server on one of the slaves, but i can "id username" on the slaves successfully.. is there something i need to do other than "adduser username"? when i did adduser a lot of yp information was output, so i thought that was ok |
| 19:42.33 | gall | PerfDave: I could't load i mean modprobe ip_filter |
| 19:42.33 | douglas | and just wouldn't feel welcome running slackware |
| 19:42.35 | directhex | furrywolf, stock debian kernels have LOADS of fucked modules |
| 19:42.50 | directhex | i trust kernel.org more than debian-kernel these days |
| 19:42.52 | kerneld | So is Friday looking good for volatile? Any hitches so far? |
| 19:43.01 | furrywolf | greycat: if "doesn't include my favorite patches" was a bug, the bug list for the debian kernel would be even longer than the error list booting one. :P |
| 19:43.04 | paulswm | douglas: We're not elite, it's just than people running other distros are obviously morons :P |
| 19:43.05 | greycat | js_: you have *slaves* on a 3-box NIS network? surely you mean *clients*. |
| 19:43.22 | douglas | debian kernels? there are debian tailored kernels? |
| 19:43.23 | greycat | js_: did you add the +::::... line to passwd(5) as the docs say? |
| 19:43.29 | alessandro_ | PerfDave, yes, I tried, but knoppix doesn't allow me to modify hard disk partition... even it's unmounted... |
| 19:43.36 | furrywolf | douglas: the kernel packages |
| 19:43.36 | PerfDave | gall: Debian kernels have iptables built in. |
| 19:43.52 | douglas | pauswm: exactly! but c'mon, you might be somewhat elite |
| 19:43.56 | furrywolf | directhex: I always just compile my own... |
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| 19:44.04 | kerneld | debian kernels use initrd by default these day too don't they? |
| 19:44.05 | js_ | greycat: i read the howto, but it explained two different ways of setting up nis or somteihng, and i thought that putting those lines there was some kind of old approach.. but i'll add them back there now, thanks |
| 19:44.09 | js_ | greycat: yes, clients, sorry |
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| 19:44.16 | douglas | !initrd |
| 19:44.16 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 19:44.19 | peterS | douglas: yes. always have been |
| 19:44.23 | Skrylar | Anyone know a possible solution to an awkward problem I'm having? I have a realtively old laptop computer (Dell Latitude CPi) that won't read my burned disc in certain places. It goes enough to boot, but it doesn't seem to acknowledge the first few files on the MD5 list. I tried burning, re-burning, and testing on two other CDROMs, same problem. I changed out the laptop's cdrom with another one of the same brand and it still will n |
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| 19:44.46 | tavo | ola |
| 19:44.51 | furrywolf | greycat: nothing wrong with slaves... a bit of leather and/or latex can make it fun, too. |
| 19:44.51 | Skrylar | hi tavo |
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| 19:45.06 | peterS | furrywolf: slaves in an NIS context are stupid if you only have 3 boxes |
| 19:45.11 | douglas | peterS, you don't need to tell me that. You're oldschool and k-rad across the board |
| 19:45.14 | douglas | like bob2 |
| 19:45.16 | tavo | k tal |
| 19:45.18 | douglas | but not as much |
| 19:45.19 | furrywolf | peterS: that was a joke. :P |
| 19:45.31 | tavo | tavo |
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| 19:45.42 | Skrylar | tavo: you talking to yourself? |
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| 19:46.02 | alessandro_ | PerfDave, sorry me... but do you know why knoppix doesn't allow me...? |
| 19:46.05 | peterS | furrywolf: yeah, pardon me, I find slavery just as funny as torture, which is probably also a lighthearted matter in your world |
| 19:46.08 | jesperj | what is the package for libdvdcss? |
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| 19:46.46 | peterS | jesperj: it's not in debian, for obvious reasons |
| 19:46.52 | douglas | slavery is underrated |
| 19:46.59 | furrywolf | peterS: I was more referring to "slaves" in the context of light bondage. as in, letting your girlfriend tie you up and be creative. not my thing, but I know more than a few people who like it... |
| 19:47.11 | peterS | douglas: you enjoy it? how long have you been a slave? what kind of work did you have to do? |
| 19:47.13 | jesperj | peterS, Does that mean I can't play encrypted dvd's in debian? |
| 19:47.29 | Skrylar | Apparently I joined the Debian channel and got the BDSM channel :S |
| 19:47.44 | jesperj | Bondage Debian Sado Masochism |
| 19:47.46 | peterS | jesperj: correct. you have to find third-party software somewhere. I forget where. awhile back I pulled down a libdvdcss2 from some third-party site like ftp.nerim.net |
| 19:47.47 | kerneld | Skrylar: Your problem being? |
| 19:47.49 | kerneld | :P |
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| 19:47.55 | furrywolf | skrylar: you missed yesterday's discussion on electrosex toys and girl-on-guy strapon sex. :P |
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| 19:48.12 | Skrylar | jesperj: You can play encrypted dvds in any distro; but you have to usually roll the media player yourself |
| 19:48.14 | douglas | Woah hey i didn't say i like it, just that it's been heavily demonized by The black Man and there's a chance that people with good defending arguments are compelled to remain silent on the matter out of fear of rap music |
| 19:48.18 | js_ | greycat: i added the lines there as described in nis.debian.howto, but i still cant login with the user |
| 19:48.19 | kerneld | Boot Debian Sarge Man! |
| 19:48.25 | peterS | furrywolf: exactly. like torture, probably a lighthearted thing in your world of sex fantasies. I imagine people who have seen slavery or torture first-hand probably wouldn't get much enjoyment out of pretending to do it |
| 19:48.34 | directhex | jesperj, keep discussing libdvdcss and you're asking to be sent to guantanamo bay |
| 19:48.53 | furrywolf | peterS: umm. non-consensual bondage, or any other activity, is NOT ok. |
| 19:48.55 | kerneld | who is going to make a BDSM powered by png for sarge? :P |
| 19:48.57 | peterS | furrywolf: it's only funny and cool stuff if you don't think about its applications in the real world |
| 19:49.06 | pipeline | peterS: I think you would be shocked by how many of the folks in that world have not only seen, but implemented slavery and torture first-hand. |
| 19:49.15 | pipeline | peterS: Perversion and sociopathy walk hand in hand. |
| 19:49.16 | Skrylar | Blasted Debian's Stupid .... word that starts with m.. |
| 19:49.23 | douglas | ok is in the eyes of the toturer |
| 19:49.31 | furrywolf | skrylar: Maintainers. :P |
| 19:49.32 | Delph | peterS: curse those computers. |
| 19:49.38 | ircdevil | what is the best tool to convert ascii to ps ? |
| 19:49.40 | Delph | no-one thinks of their appications in the real world. |
| 19:49.45 | Skrylar | ircdevil: cfdisk. |
| 19:49.55 | Delph | and what about that metal stuff. |
| 19:49.57 | ircdevil | !moron Skrylar |
| 19:49.57 | pipeline | ircdevil: ghostscript. |
| 19:49.58 | dpkg | Skrylar: You are moron #26 |
| 19:50.02 | jesperj | Skrylar, Peters : ty |
| 19:50.04 | peterS | furrywolf: I just don't see why it would be *fun* to joke about and play at things as horrible as torture or slavery. I think you could only do it if you honestly had no idea that it exists in the real world, or what it's like |
| 19:50.06 | pipeline | ircdevil: You probably want gs-esp, which is a non-free package. |
| 19:50.07 | [Cadet] | js_: You might need to cd /var/lib/nis and run make (on server) <-- something like that anyways |
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| 19:50.12 | oguz | is there a program that i can use to create a new partition under my root file system so that i can install a new linux version |
| 19:50.13 | furrywolf | peterS: you're confusing a loving couple doing something different with the fucked up stuff some people do. |
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| 19:50.31 | kerneld | ircdevil: mpage |
| 19:50.38 | pipeline | oguz: You probably want parted, but beware, you could very lose all your data. |
| 19:50.39 | furrywolf | peterS: I will state, as a fact, that I know couples where light bondage is part of their FUN. |
| 19:50.44 | Skrylar | oguz: cfdisk is a visual partition manager... fdisk does the same but it isn't as friendly |
| 19:50.56 | douglas | sometimes joking about these tough issues can lead to progress |
| 19:51.06 | douglas | mark twain did this |
| 19:51.09 | peterS | furrywolf: I. Know. That. it just makes no sense to me that something on that topic could be considered *fun*, unless you seriously believe it doesn't really exist |
| 19:51.11 | Skrylar | oguz: er well cfdisk isn't good for resizing partitions and keeping data, its just meant for setting it up during a fullout system install |
| 19:51.15 | douglas | sat-something.. |
| 19:51.44 | abrotman | !magic smoke |
| 19:51.44 | dpkg | Did you know computers run on smoke? You can tell because if the smoke escapes, they stop working. |
| 19:51.48 | BehnaM | have linux defrah ? |
| 19:51.53 | pipeline | oguz, Skrylar : I'm pretty sure he's not looking for cfdisk. cfdisk is just a curses fdisk. |
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| 19:51.54 | BehnaM | defrah=defrag |
| 19:51.59 | furrywolf | peterS: as I said, I don't do bondage, so I don't know why they like it... but you can't argue with the fact that many people do. |
| 19:52.00 | greycat | BehnaM: not as such. |
| 19:52.02 | gall | PerfDave: When I write iptables -L debian gave me : modprobe : Can't locate ip_tables |
| 19:52.05 | douglas | lol abrot |
| 19:52.11 | pipeline | oguz: You really should just flatten and reinstall. You're likely to lose all your data anyway, you might as well plan for it. |
| 19:52.15 | ircdevil | pipeline: are you certain of the name? |
| 19:52.25 | pipeline | ircdevil: The package name is gs-esp. |
| 19:52.31 | Skrylar | oguz: and if your lucky your install discs will work... rofl |
| 19:52.42 | kerneld | ircdevil: or a2ps |
| 19:52.54 | Tecky | what perms should /var/log/mail.* have ? |
| 19:52.54 | peterS | furrywolf: put it down, I suppose, to my irrational belief that making light of torture is in extremely poor taste, given that people elsewhere in the world are being tortured for real |
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| 19:53.17 | SquareRt | behnam: erm, xfs_repair defrags iirc |
| 19:53.25 | peterS | slavery likewise |
| 19:53.28 | ircdevil | pipeline: the bots cant find it, neither can my apt-file or apt-cache (i do have non-free in sources.list) |
| 19:53.28 | douglas | furrywolf: ever fire up gnutella and turn on the monitoring of what search requests pass through your box? People are more perverted by far than what one might suspect |
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| 19:53.41 | SquareRt | behnam: because most file systems shouldn't become fragmented on linux/unix below 90% usage |
| 19:53.45 | kerneld | ircdevil: What are you looking for? |
| 19:53.46 | oguz | what i want is that, i have only one disk, have two partitons, one has windows the other one has linux and i want to install a new linux version, and i dont have anymore partiton |
| 19:53.52 | osh | SquareRt: I think it's "fsr" that defrags... |
| 19:53.55 | PerfDave | gall: Then you've screwed something up :) |
| 19:54.06 | SquareRt | osh: xfs or in general? |
| 19:54.08 | pipeline | BehnaM, SquareRt : Routine maintenance on XFS filesystems is performed by the mount() system call. xfs_repair is for recovery, when something is seriously hosed. |
| 19:54.19 | zol1 | abrotman: to lend an idea from hitchhikers' guide: one could solve the problem of getting computers to run ever faster, by not having them run on electricity, but on bad news. electrons travel at a limited speed, but nothing travels as fast as bad news. |
| 19:54.19 | furrywolf | peterS: slavery, in the traditional meaning of the word, is fucked up and wrong. so in invading countries for their resources and quite a few other things, but no one seems to mind that. I, personally, could never see hurting another person, and have no clue how such a large percentage of the population can be so uncaring, selfish, greedy, unempathic... |
| 19:54.28 | osh | SquareRt: For XFS on SGI anyway. |
| 19:54.38 | SquareRt | osh: I was under the impression that during the repair defrag also occurred... maybe I'm getting confused |
| 19:54.38 | abrotman | zol1: i cooked a problematic samba server about 45 minutes ago :) |
| 19:54.44 | douglas | i hate rubbers |
| 19:54.46 | pipeline | ircdevil: Well, something's wrong with your setup. Are you using Debian? |
| 19:54.49 | douglas | anyone with me on that? |
| 19:54.52 | BehnaM | thanks |
| 19:54.53 | peterS | furrywolf: no one seems to mind invading countries for their resources? can you give some examples where that has happened and nobody has cared? |
| 19:54.55 | furrywolf | douglas: heh. I might enjoy a few non-traditional activites myself, but none of them really count as perverted. :P |
| 19:54.55 | Skrylar | oguz: So is your disc formatted like mine is [Windows 40% / Linux 40% / Swap 5%] or is it [Windows 100%] |
| 19:54.57 | pipeline | douglas: Yeah, fuck galoshes. Go barefoot. |
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| 19:54.58 | Delph | *THWACK* |
| 19:55.02 | ircdevil | kerneld: i want to take a block of ascii text and turn into a eps image. i did try a2ps, but that assumes a piece of paper |
| 19:55.10 | ircdevil | pipeline: debian, yes |
| 19:55.15 | furrywolf | peterS: people re-elected bush. |
| 19:55.16 | douglas | pipeline you still got it baby |
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| 19:55.21 | osh | SquareRt: Hmm, dunno about that. You might be right. fsr does a "defrag" on a running system though. |
| 19:55.25 | John6000 | linus been here? |
| 19:55.26 | douglas | drop a zinger like that on a dime. |
| 19:55.33 | Skrylar | peterS: czech(cant spell) got sold out in WW2.. nobody seemed to care about that |
| 19:55.35 | peterS | furrywolf: that's a non sequitur. can you give some examples where that has happened and nobody has cared? |
| 19:55.45 | pipeline | osh, SquareRt: xfs_repair should not be used routinely. Period. |
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| 19:55.52 | furrywolf | peterS: just about every war in history? |
| 19:55.56 | nn | i'm pretty damn stoned |
| 19:55.58 | kerneld | Skrylar: Lots of places got sold out in WW2 |
| 19:56.03 | peterS | furrywolf: nobody cared about any of the wars in history? where do you get your facts? |
| 19:56.05 | pipeline | Skrylar: It's called "realpolitik," bud. |
| 19:56.14 | John6000 | when im compiling my kernal it freezes |
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| 19:56.22 | pipeline | Skrylar: States act to defend various state and national interests. Not out of altruism. |
| 19:56.23 | douglas | what if these wars are what God wants once in a while |
| 19:56.33 | John6000 | when im compiling my kernal it freezes |
| 19:56.35 | douglas | in his mysterious ways... |
| 19:56.35 | pipeline | douglas: Then we'll line you up and burn you, heretic. |
| 19:56.38 | John6000 | when im compiling my kernal it freezes |
| 19:56.38 | Skrylar | i didn't come here to start a flamewar... |
| 19:56.41 | John6000 | when im compiling my kernal it freezes |
| 19:56.47 | douglas | that trenscend our capacity to understand |
| 19:56.51 | John6000 | when im compiling my kernal it freezes |
| 19:56.51 | oguz | Skrylar, i have 10 gb for windows and 30 gb for linux |
| 19:56.51 | furrywolf | peterS: let's see... the fact that soldiers willingly killed... the population provided resources to the soldiers... no one made an effort to stop them... |
| 19:56.51 | pipeline | John6000: Go fuck yourself. |
| 19:56.52 | peterS | John6000: SHUT UP ALREADY |
| 19:56.54 | osh | pipeline: Nope. I've been working with SGI's for the last 5 years and have only used xfs_repair two or three times in that time... So I agree with you. |
| 19:56.57 | peterS | John6000: we heard you the first 17 times |
| 19:57.00 | John6000 | you you sun of a bitch |
| 19:57.01 | kerneld | Skrylar: Only difference between Soviets and Nazi's was that the soviets were less ambitious in their expansion and more random in their genocide |
| 19:57.08 | peterS | furrywolf: nobody made an effort to stop them? where do you get your facts? |
| 19:57.11 | Skrylar | oguz: and you want to change partitioning or reinstall over your old linux? |
| 19:57.14 | John6000 | when im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my ke |
| 19:57.14 | John6000 | zeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my |
| 19:57.14 | sussudio | troll time! |
| 19:57.17 | John6000 | when im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my ke |
| 19:57.19 | douglas | i heard him the 11th time myself |
| 19:57.21 | pipeline | Why isn't he banned yet? |
| 19:57.23 | John6000 | zeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezes |
| 19:57.24 | peterS | !ops John6000 is spamming |
| 19:57.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: John6000 is spamming |
| 19:57.26 | John6000 | when im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my kernal it freezeswhen im compiling my ke |
| 19:57.32 | John6000 | zes |
| 19:57.33 | PerfDave | !kernal |
| 19:57.33 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 19:57.35 | sussudio | John6000: http://img51.echo.cx/img51/4244/2321914ek.jpg |
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| 19:57.45 | BehnaM | john6000 plese dont do this |
| 19:57.46 | ElectricElf | Heh |
| 19:57.50 | ElectricElf | Damn lack of identify |
| 19:57.51 | cbr | !kernal |
| 19:57.51 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 19:57.53 | Skrylar | dpkg is apparently very able to flip out |
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| 19:58.04 | RichiH | what a retard |
| 19:58.12 | ElectricElf | pipeline: He'd have been banned sooner, but I wasn't identified |
| 19:58.16 | ElectricElf | RichiH: Indeed |
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| 19:58.52 | RichiH | yah, bleh |
| 19:58.53 | ElectricElf | Must be Tuesday |
| 19:59.02 | PerfDave | IRC, it's full of idiots ;) |
| 19:59.11 | osh | graycat: Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. |
| 19:59.16 | furrywolf | perfdave: Earth. it's full of idiots. :P |
| 19:59.35 | Skrylar | PerfDave: by IRC you mean "Intire inteRnet" right? |
| 19:59.37 | peterS | furrywolf: I suppose blanket unsupported assertions are are good as facts when you're talking to someone who already supports your basic premise. but it doesn't always work so well with me |
| 20:00.18 | Delph | peterS: does the action have a positive or negative net effect on the sum of human happiness? |
| 20:00.25 | furrywolf | peterS: so you're going to argue that most of the population doesn't support war, and doesn't think it's wrong to hurt other people for their own benefit? |
| 20:00.34 | peterS | Delph: oh, stop. bentham is obsolete. (: |
| 20:00.37 | RichiH | ElectricElf, greycat: interestingly enough, he is also in #ubuntu |
| 20:00.37 | furrywolf | s/doesn't think/thinks |
| 20:00.38 | Skrylar | PerfDave: you should see 4chan... wow... most uncalled for flame wars over stupid crap you've ever seen |
| 20:00.50 | Delph | peterS: you know it's true, and it applies in this case, because there is no downside =:) |
| 20:01.01 | peterS | furrywolf: I didn't say "most of the population doesn't support war". I just called your bluff when you claimed that *all* of the population supports it |
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| 20:01.06 | punsad | my bios is only recognizing 30GB of my 40GB HD. I think I need to upgrade my BIOS to access the full disk. Is this true? |
| 20:01.11 | PerfDave | The sum of human happiness is impossible to quantify :0 |
| 20:01.21 | Delph | PerfDave: are you more or less happy doing what you do, or not? |
| 20:01.23 | furrywolf | peterS: ok, only 99%. happy now? |
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| 20:01.30 | PerfDave | Delph: I'm very happy doing what I do. |
| 20:01.33 | sepen | hello |
| 20:01.34 | jbmigel | hey what is proper way to kill application? emacs has locked up on me and wont quit |
| 20:01.36 | Skrylar | sepen: hi |
| 20:01.41 | PerfDave | jbmigel: kill :) |
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| 20:01.51 | sepen | im a newbie |
| 20:01.54 | peterS | furrywolf: 99% of people informed about a war will support it? I find that hard to believe, so I'm afraid I still have to ask where you get your numbers |
| 20:01.57 | sepen | and a debian user |
| 20:02.00 | pipeline | jbmigel: kill -9 will send an un-catch-able kill. |
| 20:02.00 | punsad | jbmigel: ps ax | grep emacs , then kill -9 PID |
| 20:02.01 | Skrylar | jbmigel: "ps x | less" helps you find the pid, then "kill -SIGKILL #pid" |
| 20:02.13 | pipeline | jbmigel: You can also use "xkill", which will let you just click on the program you want to die. |
| 20:02.25 | Delph | PerfDave: exactly. |
| 20:02.26 | PerfDave | Anyway, the sum of human happiness is a stupid metric. The Iraq war killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who were pretty miserable anyway, and made lots of Bush supporters and SUV drivers happy. I wouldn't claim it was a good thing ;0 |
| 20:02.27 | sepen | often ps -ef | grep -H emacs |
| 20:02.29 | Skrylar | i xkilled my kde start bar once x_x |
| 20:03.00 | jbmigel | thanks guys! it didnt even need the -9 ! |
| 20:03.05 | Delph | PerfDave: however, i can accept it on those grounds. |
| 20:03.05 | sepen | o have a question |
| 20:03.10 | Skrylar | sepen: aye? |
| 20:03.12 | PeTeRB | sepen: You sure you're a newbie? |
| 20:03.13 | furrywolf | peterS: what percentage of the US population took any steps whatsoever to prevent the invasion of iraq? |
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| 20:03.20 | sepen | sarge is freezing ?¿ |
| 20:03.36 | Skrylar | sepen: uh.. can't help you there. i can't get the blammed thing to install |
| 20:03.36 | furrywolf | sepen: might want to get him a coat! |
| 20:03.39 | sepen | because i used it |
| 20:03.44 | PerfDave | sepen: Sarge has frozen |
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| 20:03.52 | peterS | furrywolf: your efforts to appear as the lone human being crying in the wilderness, the last person with any sense of compassion or humanity, are not working out very well. I think you'd do better trying less hard to seem unique |
| 20:03.52 | sepen | sorry i am spanish |
| 20:03.58 | pipeline | peterS, furrywolf : One of the lovely things about "informing" people |
| 20:04.01 | PerfDave | !es |
| 20:04.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:04.07 | toubsu | is there like a PATH for where binaries look for libraries? |
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| 20:04.13 | sepen | but why ? |
| 20:04.17 | PerfDave | toubsu: Yes |
| 20:04.20 | peterS | furrywolf: I have no idea. I don't have any numbers, I'm just having trouble believing yours. where did you get your numbers? |
| 20:04.22 | douglas | toubsu don't SHOUD! |
| 20:04.23 | sepen | sarge++ |
| 20:04.23 | douglas | :) |
| 20:04.26 | Skrylar | toubsu: yea.. its called LC_PATH i think... |
| 20:04.35 | douglas | s/shoud/SHOUT |
| 20:04.36 | pipeline | peterS, furrywolf : Is that when faced with contradictory principles, people change the most easily changed principle. When faced with the facts about war, while backing the war, they usually disregard the facts rather than change a facet of their ideology. |
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| 20:04.39 | toubsu | Skrylar: thx |
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| 20:04.53 | pipeline | peterS, furrywolf : This was a popular subject of research in the seventies, because it's easy to observe experimentally :P |
| 20:04.58 | Skrylar | toubsu: /etc/ld.conf (i believe) also does that, but you need to run ldconfig after changing it |
| 20:04.59 | sepen | join #sarge for comments |
| 20:05.01 | PerfDave | toubsu: look at ldd, ldconfig, ld.so |
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| 20:05.11 | dyneuser__ | ii |
| 20:05.15 | ateoh211 | which testing install iso is most likely to contain the ultra 320 drivers? |
| 20:05.23 | ateoh211 | sorry, kernel module |
| 20:05.27 | peterS | pipeline: it's clear enough. people *opposed* to wars hang on to their illusions surprisingly strongly too |
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| 20:05.46 | PerfDave | sepen: What do you mean, "but why?" It's frozen to get serious bugfixes in before release without breaking anything else. |
| 20:05.58 | douglas | is there a text version of xtraceroute that guesses where the given IP might be located by naming the place without a 3D globe? |
| 20:06.06 | peterS | pipeline: note that you're trapped. if you say anything defending your anti-war stance you acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, you're holding on to illusions yourself (: |
| 20:06.08 | Skrylar | It's too late to gripe about going to war now; it's already in motion and all you'll do is lower the morale and get more of our guys killed the more you protest |
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| 20:06.24 | greycat | Skrylar: or change foreign policy and bring them home. |
| 20:06.29 | PerfDave | Skrylar: They signed up for it :) |
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| 20:06.48 | osh | I'm looking for a good "ticket tracking" system. Something like a portal where users can file bugreports and questions. Then a backend where we can assign cases to each other. A tie-in with email would be good but not a requirement. Same thing with LDAP authentication. Anyone know of any good software like this? |
| 20:06.58 | PerfDave | osh: request tracker? |
| 20:06.59 | Skrylar | greycat: ok so some guy changes policy and brings them home |
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| 20:07.03 | PerfDave | Anyway, if nobody protests, then nohing will stop such a thing happening again |
| 20:07.04 | BehnaM | were is kernel its not to /usr/src |
| 20:07.07 | Skrylar | greycat: what did their best friend Bob just die for |
| 20:07.08 | pipeline | peterS: I don't know about that. I don't really care about things like avoiding abuses of U.S. power. I'm more angry about how poorly prepared we were. It's costing us, bleeding the services dry. |
| 20:07.08 | Delph | osh: trak |
| 20:07.10 | Delph | trac? |
| 20:07.12 | Delph | something like that |
| 20:07.14 | douglas | i was surprised to learn this morning that speaker cables just don't cut it for car jumpstarting applications |
| 20:07.15 | osh | PerfDave: Link? |
| 20:07.18 | greycat | Skrylar: for George Bush's idiocy. |
| 20:07.20 | greycat | And this is off topic. |
| 20:07.22 | pipeline | Skrylar: Nothing, just like all other wars. Keep in mind that these people SIGN UP for this shit. |
| 20:07.27 | SquareRt | osh: RequestTracker3? |
| 20:07.28 | Delph | bug+ticketing+wiki+documenting thingy |
| 20:07.28 | peterS | douglas: ha |
| 20:07.28 | PerfDave | osh: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 20:07.39 | BehnaM | can i install and make kernel in /usr/src ? |
| 20:07.42 | PerfDave | :jfgi request+tracker |
| 20:07.47 | greycat | BehnaM: you can. /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:07.48 | PerfDave | BehnaM: Yes, but there's rarely any point |
| 20:07.49 | JoshH | lol PerfDave |
| 20:07.51 | Delph | BehnaM: you can but you don't want to, generally. |
| 20:07.51 | pipeline | BehnaM: That's the conventional place for such things. |
| 20:07.55 | PerfDave | :fgi request+tracker |
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| 20:08.07 | PerfDave | ARGH! Wrong bot :) |
| 20:08.08 | PerfDave | !fgi request+tracker |
| 20:08.11 | PerfDave | !jfgi request+tracker |
| 20:08.14 | osh | PerfDave: Delph: SquareRt: Thanks. I'll look at those. Any hints are greatly appriciated. (Sorry for being a jerk and not googeling for it before asking). |
| 20:08.29 | Delph | osh: no worries, can i point and mock you a bit first? |
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| 20:08.45 | douglas | osh you're not sorry and you know someone would have told you to man or google whatever you were asking about |
| 20:08.55 | osh | Delph: Mock away. :-) |
| 20:09.05 | Skrylar | well; i guess the only way to install sarge on my laptop is to do a usb stick install |
| 20:09.15 | furrywolf | peterS: or look at most humans in general... most people will happily hurt someone else for their own advantage. slavery and war are obvious examples, but smaller ones too... talking behind someone's back at work to get a promotion. using a partner. taking advantage of a friend/relative. abusing children and/or parents. driving a SUV. pushing in line at the supermarket. trying to enforce your fucked-up religious views on others. |
| 20:09.26 | SquareRt | osh: not googoling then? ;) |
| 20:09.36 | PerfDave | !fgi osh request+tracker |
| 20:09.37 | dpkg | osh: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=request+tracker |
| 20:09.40 | furrywolf | peterS: you'll have a very hard time convincing me most of the population isn't completely self-centered. |
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| 20:10.00 | douglas | how do we know that the squirrles don't believe in God? We cannot be certain of it, we just can't. |
| 20:10.00 | PerfDave | That's better :) |
| 20:10.05 | peterS | furrywolf: I won't try to convince you of that. I'm no humanist, humanists are stupid in their belief that human nature is not inherently flawed |
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| 20:10.19 | TheTransporter | well i have an actual question. i just used apt-get to install X and get it configured. however, i had a XFree86Config-4 file that i saved to a floppy disk before i had installed debian. when i try to copy the new file to /etc/X11 i get an error about "cp: cannot stat 'XF86Config-4': No such file or directory". when i also try to list the contents of my floppy disk instead of getting a full XFree86Config-4 file listing i |
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| 20:10.30 | Delph | douglas: we know because there is only one God (traditionally) and squiwwels can't communicate world-wide. |
| 20:10.36 | osh | SquareRt: Not yet. It'll be my next try. |
| 20:10.38 | furrywolf | douglas: I knew a squirrel. he didn't seem to believe in god. I know I'm a wolf and don't... :P |
| 20:10.38 | Skrylar | furrywolf, peterS: biologic nature is self preservation... which tends to contribute to the >>>self<<< importance and belief that the world will bow to them |
| 20:10.42 | Delph | so they must be thinking of different ones, hence it's not God. |
| 20:10.45 | SquareRt | osh: it was a joke ;) |
| 20:11.02 | PerfDave | Delph: How do you know squirrels dont' have ESP? :) |
| 20:11.17 | Delph | PerfDave: the only squirrels I know get horribly horribly pissed very easily. |
| 20:11.18 | douglas | i wonder how the squirrles would react if they figured out how to read Genesis and got to the line about humans having dominion or whatever over them |
| 20:11.29 | Delph | They're *so* going to be the last ones to get ESP |
| 20:11.30 | peterS | furrywolf: humanism, at least the part of it that believes we will eventually get over the problems stemming from human nature, is hopelessly naive. it's one of those things I can't believe anyone can still believe (: |
| 20:11.35 | douglas | you'd get a lot of consciously objecting squirrles |
| 20:11.39 | PerfDave | Delph: Why are you getting squirrels drunk? Are you soaking acorns in vodka or something? |
| 20:11.53 | PerfDave | douglas: There's a terribly cheesy Disney cartoon from the 70s on such a matter. |
| 20:11.53 | Delph | PerfDave: uh, yes. acorns. |
| 20:11.55 | Delph | >.< |
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| 20:12.05 | douglas | No shit |
| 20:12.05 | sepen | anyone can help me about sarge |
| 20:12.07 | Skrylar | Delph: "special" acorns? |
| 20:12.12 | peterS | acorn shots |
| 20:12.16 | PerfDave | sepen: Ask a question :) |
| 20:12.23 | douglas | i thought i was coming up with fresh material |
| 20:12.25 | Delph | Skrylar: special squirrels. |
| 20:12.27 | PeTeRB | douglas: For that IP -> location stuff you can try http://netgeo.caida.org/perl/netgeo.cgi , but it's sometimes waaaaaay off |
| 20:12.37 | TheTransporter | well could somebody actually help me instead of just rambling about other stuff? |
| 20:12.37 | douglas | ok cool thanks |
| 20:12.44 | peterS | anyway, this channel isn't about squirrels |
| 20:12.46 | peterS | this channel is about badgers |
| 20:12.46 | sepen | if i put a SID source in sources.list i upgrade my sarge to sid |
| 20:12.46 | jair | how do I specify the file system mounting the flash usb drive? |
| 20:12.47 | Skrylar | sepen: just make sure the question is [relatively] short or nobody will read it (yea i know its dumb) |
| 20:12.52 | PerfDave | sepen: Don't do that. |
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| 20:13.02 | Skrylar | i thought Sarge was the latest one |
| 20:13.04 | PerfDave | sepen: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:13.05 | Skrylar | whats sid |
| 20:13.06 | Delph | TheTransporter: what's the bit after "listing I"... |
| 20:13.08 | furrywolf | peterS: I'm still not convinced on which part of it is inherent (i.e. genetics) and which part is environmental... after all, we teach kids from the day they're born to compete. win that sports event! get that prize! get that good grade! don't let that kid have your food! first-come first-serve! etc. |
| 20:13.09 | jair | I did this: /dev/sda1 /home/user/pendrive |
| 20:13.10 | Delph | you cut off half-way |
| 20:13.12 | douglas | do penguins go without saying? |
| 20:13.14 | PerfDave | Skrylar: Sid is unstable. You don't want to run it. |
| 20:13.18 | sepen | /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:13.18 | sepen | <Skrylar> whats sid |
| 20:13.26 | jair | but it is asking me that I have to specify the file system |
| 20:13.29 | TheTransporter | Delph: its i get 'xf86co~1' |
| 20:13.44 | Delph | TheTransporter: oh, well use that then. |
| 20:13.48 | TheTransporter | i tried |
| 20:13.50 | PerfDave | jair: Probably vfat. Assuming your pendrive *is* on /dev/sda1 |
| 20:13.50 | TheTransporter | it hasn't worked |
| 20:13.54 | Skrylar | PerfDave so Woody is Stable, Sarge is Testing and Sid is Dumping errors out the bucket? |
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| 20:13.57 | benjamindees | furrywolf, lots of parents spend as much time teaching their kids about "sharing" too... |
| 20:14.03 | douglas | sarge is a good compromise |
| 20:14.05 | Delph | what do you mean "hasn't worked" |
| 20:14.05 | peterS | furrywolf: you think all societies are equally focused on achievement? or that the ones that don't are 19th century style "noble savages"? |
| 20:14.07 | TheTransporter | i also tried using the name i actually gave it which is XFree86Config-4 |
| 20:14.07 | ircdevil | gs is black magic |
| 20:14.10 | jair | PerfDave, correct but the command will be...? |
| 20:14.14 | Delph | did you move it to the right place and renaming it correctly? |
| 20:14.17 | PerfDave | jair: man mount |
| 20:14.18 | paulswm | peterS: Just read back, I'm with you on humanism. |
| 20:14.25 | Delph | is there an error in the logs when you start X? |
| 20:14.28 | PerfDave | Skrylar: Currently, Woody is stable, Sarge is testing, Sid is unstable. Soon, Sarge will be stable and Etch will be Testing. |
| 20:14.32 | pipeline | Skrylar: Unstable isn't very unstable at all. It just doesn't have all the bugs worked out. |
| 20:14.39 | PerfDave | TheTransporter: XF86Config-4? |
| 20:14.49 | pipeline | Skrylar: The idea behind "testing" is that 99% of the bugs are worked out, that it could be released at any time with minimal hassle. |
| 20:14.53 | Delph | PerfDave: hah, good point =:) |
| 20:14.55 | furrywolf | benjamindees: yet they're the same parents who might drive SUVs, enforce their religious views on others, back-stab coworkers, etc. "do as I say, not as I do" doesn't work for children any more as anyone else. |
| 20:15.01 | douglas | hey, Sarge gets the job done and you don't feel like you're running the oldest shit |
| 20:15.17 | PerfDave | douglas: Depends entirely on what the job is ;) |
| 20:15.20 | Skrylar | Gentoo gets you the latest junk but its a pain in the butt |
| 20:15.23 | greycat | douglas: wait 3 months, and they'll start whining again. |
| 20:15.24 | streuner | pipeline: those statements aren't very helpful |
| 20:15.26 | TheTransporter | its named correctly and all, but i can't move it, that's the problem. its on a floppy disk and i want to copy it off, but the messed up name or something won't allow me to copy it off to the directory i want. i know its named correctly because i put it in another computer and the filename shows up fine. |
| 20:15.40 | douglas | PerfDave: serving or collecting porn |
| 20:15.42 | Delph | TheTransporter: can you copy it off on that other computer? |
| 20:15.42 | benjamindees | furrywolf, touche |
| 20:15.45 | Skrylar | i got debian since um.. compiling and OS is not a good thing to do with GCC and an epic 300mhz of CPU |
| 20:15.45 | peterS | furrywolf: your fixation on SUVs as the root of all evil is a little threadbare. AFAICT it's just a way to proclaim that you enjoy wasting money |
| 20:15.52 | PerfDave | douglas: Woody's fine for that :) |
| 20:15.54 | TheTransporter | yeah, i can |
| 20:15.55 | streuner | pipeline: a) you force newbies to use unstable |
| 20:16.03 | Delph | can you put it into 8.3 format on that other computer, and put *that* on the disk. |
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| 20:16.18 | benjamindees | oddly enough, most SUV owners I know get better gas mileage than I do :( |
| 20:16.20 | DoktorTomoe | does anyone know where the courier mail server puts error messages under debian sarge? |
| 20:16.22 | douglas | but for at least some time the woody users could not make gaim go transparent while the sargers could |
| 20:16.26 | douglas | i think |
| 20:16.28 | furrywolf | peterS: it's a way to proclaim you have more money than other people, and are proud of it. |
| 20:16.28 | streuner | pipeline: b) as you can see see we had a lot of problems to get even in a state of frozen with sarge |
| 20:16.30 | TheTransporter | Delph: lemme see |
| 20:16.47 | peterS | furrywolf: much like people who run dual G5s to read their email. it's silly but I hardly see how it's evil |
| 20:16.48 | Skrylar | benjamindees: yea but the drivers with their little cell phones drive like shit because they think their big car-thing is safe |
| 20:16.56 | PerfDave | douglas: OMG! WOODY IS TOTALLY USELESS! TEH GAIM IS NOT TRASNPARNET! |
| 20:17.00 | douglas | i just think that the Community is too conservative in letting things move from sarge to woody |
| 20:17.04 | greycat | PerfDave: hahah |
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| 20:17.16 | streuner | hehe |
| 20:17.25 | streuner | dpkg, PerfDave++ |
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| 20:17.35 | cureless | douglas: things don't "move" from sarge to woody. |
| 20:17.37 | Skrylar | PerfDave, douglas: who in the heck uses that transparency anyway |
| 20:17.40 | peterS | furrywolf: "if you buy gas, the terrorists have already won"? |
| 20:17.42 | Delph | benjamindees: who cares what milage they're getting. |
| 20:17.42 | Delph | benjamindees: i care when some stupid mother drives over me on the way to school, school being 3mins walk down the road. |
| 20:17.42 | PerfDave | peterS: Well, that's supporting Apple, a corporation with very dubious business practices. I don't think buying a dual G5 is particularly ethically sound ;0 |
| 20:17.42 | Delph | (based on a representative sample of large car drivers outside my office, opposite a school) |
| 20:17.44 | benjamindees | Skrylar, also true, you can walk away from an 80mph crash in a mazda, but not in a SUV |
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| 20:17.46 | ircdevil | what is the gs command to turn ascii text into eps? |
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| 20:17.47 | douglas | icure: you know what i mean |
| 20:17.50 | pipeline | streuner: Most new folks associate the word "unstable" with say, gentoo unstable, or the Mandrake cooker, or Fedora tests. "Unstable" isn't segfaultingly unstable -- such bugs are fixed in hours, not days. |
| 20:17.54 | douglas | cureless: that is |
| 20:18.08 | PerfDave | douglas: Nothing goes from Sarge to Woody. That's not the way that Debian or any other sensible distro works. |
| 20:18.14 | cureless | ircdevil: try enscript. |
| 20:18.16 | furrywolf | peterS: most people don't go around saying "look at me! I use a dual G5 to read my email!". people do go around saying "look at me! I drive a SUV to get groceries from two blocks down the street! I don't care that it hurts the environment, causes wars over oil, and kills anyone it runs into! I'm better than you are!" |
| 20:18.20 | streuner | !hwinfosmite pipeline |
| 20:18.21 | dpkg | Scanning pipeline ... No meaningful response. Please ensure brain is connected, or return to supplier for replacement. |
| 20:18.22 | pipeline | streuner: Secondly, the release standards are absolutely nuts. It may seem, in hindsight, that Sarge should have been packed out the door, bugs and all, as soon as the installer was finished. |
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| 20:18.27 | Skrylar | benjamindees: The blasted things tend to tip more and the crash setup is shifted around, if you get hit from the side it isn't as safe as a normal car.. |
| 20:18.41 | cureless | douglas: no I don't. You want things backported? |
| 20:18.42 | peterS | furrywolf: driving an SUV causes wars over oil? I do believe, sir, that you have gone off the deep end |
| 20:18.46 | PerfDave | furrywolf: You don't think Apple users like to show off that they spend more money on pointless tech? You're *really* stupid :) |
| 20:18.46 | pipeline | streuner: Of course, I'm glad it wasn't. Sarge is glorious. |
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| 20:18.54 | Skrylar | But they got the 5-Star Bullshit rating |
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| 20:19.03 | douglas | word to the wise, don't change your sources.list to sid and then later back to sarge when you realize sid's too crazy because you're totally screwed |
| 20:19.08 | pipeline | furrywolf: I agree with PeterS. Oil independence is totally impossible. It's laughable. Oil is found in unstable parts of the world. |
| 20:19.16 | TheTransporter | the file is still showing up with that weird filename when use the 'ls' command in the directory where i mounted the floppy |
| 20:19.24 | PerfDave | Oil independence is perfectly possible :) |
| 20:19.25 | peterS | pipeline: are you, btw, an oil pipeline? |
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| 20:19.35 | furrywolf | perfdave: ok, apple users may be an exception. ipod narcissism too. :P |
| 20:19.44 | streuner | pipeline: *shakes my head* the result is the same, saying here unstable isn't unstable force newbies to try it |
| 20:19.44 | Skrylar | electic is better than combustion |
| 20:19.46 | Skrylar | more torque |
| 20:19.48 | cureless | douglas: stay in sid. Sid is not too crazy. |
| 20:19.56 | Skrylar | less noise |
| 20:19.58 | ecobit | does anyone know of an application similar to wiki but which uses standard html tags? having to learn a whole new set of tags is BS |
| 20:20.01 | tavo | hi |
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| 20:20.07 | Skrylar | tavo hello |
| 20:20.08 | pipeline | streuner: And I think they would get a favorable impression of debian from Unstable. |
| 20:20.23 | pipeline | streuner: Unstable is vastly better than the average user experience in the other popular distributions. |
| 20:20.23 | benjamindees | streuner, kids these days... short attention spans |
| 20:20.23 | tavo | hello |
| 20:20.25 | greycat | ecobit: webDAV. |
| 20:20.25 | douglas | cureless: i'm saying that i want to get newer releases during my apt upgrades so instead of running woody and tracking down the unstable .debs manually i'll just go with sarge |
| 20:20.39 | PerfDave | pipeline: They'll get a better impression from Sarge :) |
| 20:20.45 | PerfDave | The US could be made oil independent by converting land to biodiesel production and converting cars to biodiesel, for less money than they've spent on invaderising Iraq |
| 20:20.49 | pipeline | No. Period. |
| 20:20.51 | ecobit | greycat, thanks |
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| 20:20.54 | cureless | douglas: if what you want is "newer releases" then stick to unstable. |
| 20:20.58 | Skrylar | Sarge has XORG right? |
| 20:21.01 | streuner | no |
| 20:21.03 | PerfDave | Skrylar: No |
| 20:21.04 | pipeline | PerfDave: The U.S., under no circumstance, will ever be oil independent. |
| 20:21.05 | Skrylar | gaaaaah |
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| 20:21.11 | pipeline | PerfDave: Biodiesel is NOT cheap. |
| 20:21.11 | streuner | Skrylar: /topic |
| 20:21.13 | sepen | i open a new channel for that (SARGE) |
| 20:21.17 | furrywolf | perfdave: biodiesel doesn't require cars to be converted... I think most/all will run off it directly with no problems. |
| 20:21.18 | sepen | .... #sarge |
| 20:21.19 | PerfDave | pipeline: The US will never be oil independent, but it *could* be :) |
| 20:21.25 | cureless | pipeline: neither was the war on Iraq. |
| 20:21.27 | Skrylar | streuner: i can't read the entire topic because im in a console |
| 20:21.28 | furrywolf | WVO requires conversion, but not biodiesel. |
| 20:21.30 | douglas | cureless: i was just chiming in, right now i am quite happy with the way sarge is treating me |
| 20:21.31 | PerfDave | furrywolf: Uhm, cars need to be capable of running diesel first. |
| 20:21.40 | RichiH | pipeline: oil independence might be impossible, but we can reduce the amount of oil we need |
| 20:21.44 | streuner | Skrylar: heh? use another irc-client then |
| 20:21.45 | furrywolf | perfdave: well duh. but I mean standard diesel engines. :P |
| 20:21.47 | cureless | douglas: we're glad to hear it :-) |
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| 20:22.03 | benjamindees | pipeline, sure, but it could be, if we weren't growing food instead, because it's cheaper that way |
| 20:22.04 | RichiH | pipeline: also, the new human waste recycling facilites do produce biological gas |
| 20:22.11 | cureless | Skrylar: type /topic, read the topic |
| 20:22.14 | streuner | RichiH: prolly ok for the rich countries... |
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| 20:22.25 | douglas | we will never run out of oil ... it's everywhere and we're nowhere near having checked everywhere |
| 20:22.35 | RichiH | streuner: of course, that's not an option for the poor countries |
| 20:22.36 | pipeline | douglas: Running out of oil isn't the problem, dumbass. |
| 20:22.39 | cureless | douglas: right.... |
| 20:22.43 | PerfDave | douglas: Wrong :) |
| 20:22.51 | benjamindees | douglas, *cheap*, cheap oil... |
| 20:22.57 | peterS | why do people persist in believing that the war in iraq was about oil? does anyone really believe that the US oil supply was threatened in any way? it sounds like a thin pretext for tying in hatred for SUVs with hatred for the iraq war. convenient but it doesn't really hold together |
| 20:22.57 | pipeline | douglas: The problem is running out of oil as an energy SOURCE. At some point, the remaining oil in the ground will cost more energy to extract than we can get from burning it. |
| 20:23.03 | RichiH | streuner: i expect them to adapt solar, wind and sea power once they become cheaper |
| 20:23.08 | paulswm | NUclear fusion will ultimately be the answer, I doubt it's more than a generation away. |
| 20:23.14 | pipeline | douglas: Oil will still be a wonderful energy TRANSPORT long, long, long after we "run out" |
| 20:23.16 | furrywolf | if the amount of money put into oil was put into, say, solar, we'd probably have a solar panel for every person on the planet... |
| 20:23.22 | cureless | can we move politics to another #channel? |
| 20:23.25 | PerfDave | peterS: Uhm, oil had an awful lot to do with it, and money from oil :) |
| 20:23.25 | douglas | by the time we run out of oil we will have already figured out how to synthesize that shit, probably using technology powered by Debian |
| 20:23.26 | pipeline | furrywolf: Solar panels still, after fifty years, suck ass. |
| 20:23.30 | cureless | try #debian-offtopic or something |
| 20:23.33 | TheTransporter | could the problem be when i mounted the floppy i did something wrong and it caused the filenames to become all morphed |
| 20:23.34 | abrotman | what! |
| 20:23.35 | peterS | furrywolf: solar panels are quite energy-expensive. I don't think they're all that practical |
| 20:23.35 | toubsu | Skrylar: is there just a main folder for libraries where i can add a file to? |
| 20:23.39 | benjamindees | pipeline, I'm not sure oil ever *was* a wonderful transport... |
| 20:23.41 | furrywolf | solar power is artifically expensive; nothing about their design justifies the price they charge. |
| 20:23.47 | PerfDave | cureless: God no, don't take flamewars over to #debian-offtopic :) |
| 20:23.49 | PerfDave | cureless: #politics! |
| 20:23.52 | douglas | peterS: right on, +1 insightful |
| 20:23.52 | peterS | PerfDave: huh? how did the US get any money back from oil from iraq? |
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| 20:23.58 | abrotman | peterS: it didn't hurt :) |
| 20:23.59 | RichiH | peterS: i for one think oil was a factor in the considerations. think about all the contracts they made in advacne |
| 20:24.04 | PerfDave | peterS: Uhm, they're selling it right now. |
| 20:24.04 | pipeline | benjamindees: Petrochemicals are the best energy transport known to man. It beats hydrogen by an order of magnitude. |
| 20:24.05 | stubby_ | I need help with my locale :| |
| 20:24.08 | streuner | peterS: uhm |
| 20:24.09 | cureless | PerfDave: I was just trying to keep the "debian" feeling. |
| 20:24.11 | abrotman | stubby_: how so ? |
| 20:24.17 | pipeline | benjamindees: Actually, I think it's closer to two orders of magnitude. |
| 20:24.19 | SquareRt | toubsu: try /usr/local/lib/ |
| 20:24.29 | benjamindees | pipeline, best *chemical* transport maybe |
| 20:24.30 | stubby_ | abrotman: how to change the language of it ? |
| 20:24.31 | pipeline | benjamindees: Enough that moving our infrastructure to anything else would be criminally stupid. |
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| 20:25.00 | furrywolf | oh well, I need to go get food. final words: most humans are selfish, greedy, self-centered, uncaring, unthinking, unempathic, and stupid. :) |
| 20:25.00 | garttt | peterS: Not so much that the US didn't get money from oil in Iraq, but we prevented Iraq from exclusively dealing oil to other countries, the US of which wasn't one of them |
| 20:25.01 | streuner | peterS: one fact, they had all info and plans for oil (US gov.), but none plans to build iraq... |
| 20:25.02 | douglas | hey, pretty soon we'll have frickin' lazer beams powering space elevators |
| 20:25.04 | pipeline | benjamindees: No, best transport in general. Nothing else comes close to the energy density of certain petrochemical products. |
| 20:25.04 | benjamindees | pipeline, the fact that our infrastructure hasn't been moved already is criminally stupid... |
| 20:25.10 | peterS | PerfDave: the US doesn't own the oil in iraq. it didn't change hands. that's the difference between an invasion and what actually happened |
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| 20:25.22 | pipeline | benjamindees: What alternatives are there? Hydrogen and batteries are laughable options. Long-distance power lines only slightly less so. |
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| 20:25.32 | douglas | PerfDave: peterS is correct |
| 20:25.40 | PerfDave | peterS: Yeah, that's why your Senate is holding inquiries into American companies and the American government illegally profiting from Iraqi oil right now ;) |
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| 20:25.44 | streuner | peterS: uhm, you are pretty wrong, almost everyone is involved in oil |
| 20:25.51 | douglas | pipeline: what's wrong with having a good laugh when going with an option |
| 20:25.54 | RichiH | peterS: they do sell the oil and give the money to iraq last time i checked |
| 20:26.05 | garttt | peterS: The straw that broke the camel's back was that Iraq was willing to sell oil to other countries, but not the US. That's why Bush invaded |
| 20:26.14 | toubsu | SquareRt: well that folder is empty, but i tried it and no success |
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| 20:26.25 | pipeline | douglas: Nothing. You can go live in a commune. I'll drive my conservative four-door car to work and worry about the state of geopolitics. |
| 20:26.30 | garttt | douglas: PeterS can think for himself, so can you :) |
| 20:26.36 | Skrylar | well I will see everyone later, since this is apparently the Bash The President channel |
| 20:26.47 | paulswm | !topicsmite everyone |
| 20:26.48 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon everyone. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 20:26.50 | douglas | good word, geopolitics |
| 20:26.51 | garttt | Skrylar: Welcome to america |
| 20:26.56 | PerfDave | Skrylar: Not the President, just the current incumbent of that office ;) |
| 20:26.57 | streuner | !politics |
| 20:26.57 | dpkg | it has been said that politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 20:26.58 | peterS | Skrylar: every day is bash the president day. easier to do that than to think |
| 20:27.11 | paulswm | !prize streuner |
| 20:27.14 | PerfDave | I'm very thoughtful in my President-bashing :) |
| 20:27.26 | streuner | paulswm: thanks, but i prefer wine ;-) |
| 20:27.28 | furrywolf | hey, I wasn't bashing the president nearly as much as I was bashing humans in general. :P |
| 20:27.29 | furrywolf | bbl |
| 20:27.38 | peterS | Skrylar: the furrywolf twist of "hey, *I* bash the government but nobody else cares" is interesting, given the reality (: |
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| 20:27.59 | Skrylar | Well; it's a very bad image when people join your #channel for assistance and 90% of the channel is spouting off about how BDSM is fsjpoiasj and Bush is [pok[pokrwe |
| 20:28.01 | PerfDave | peterS: Nobody cares! Poor furrywolf, a lone voice crying out in the wilderness at the evils of humanity! :) |
| 20:28.09 | douglas | if we could start a war in which we'd get a good rate on blood for oil, we shouldn't rule out going for it because war is "bad" |
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| 20:28.21 | peterS | PerfDave: yeah (: nobody cares except 80% of livejournal (: |
| 20:28.47 | TheTransporter | good idea |
| 20:28.52 | TheTransporter | it'd be really nice |
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| 20:28.57 | PerfDave | peterS: And the millions who marched in protest against the Iraq invasion. Those were fun days out :) |
| 20:29.02 | PerfDave | douglas: What is the going rate on blood for oil? :) |
| 20:29.03 | furrywolf | peterS/PerfDave: face it. most humans are greedy and selfish. |
| 20:29.06 | furrywolf | now bbl before my food burns. :P |
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| 20:29.18 | douglas | beaujolais, being a wine not to bother aging, usually doesn't need decanting |
| 20:29.20 | PerfDave | furrywolf: Agreed with that, just none of the other shit you've been spouting :) |
| 20:29.32 | douglas | .. except for a few vintage years |
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| 20:29.47 | peterS | yes, they are. and many of the humans who are greedy and selfish also have this affectation where they act as though they worry a lot about the effects of other people's greed and selfishness |
| 20:29.53 | PerfDave | liboil0.3 - Library of Optimized Inner Loops |
| 20:29.55 | oguz | /dev/hdb1 /home/oguz/win_c2 vfat defaults,rw,umask=002,gid=100 0 0, i want to enable write for this device, how can i do it? |
| 20:29.59 | furrywolf | peter: oil is optimized inner loops. I'm thinking of using it for my raytracer. |
| 20:30.00 | furrywolf | bbl! |
| 20:30.10 | paulswm | douglas: I was using dpkg's words thinking it was humorous, so give it a rest |
| 20:30.42 | blablablabla | is modconf somewhat outdated and one should use a new tool instead? |
| 20:30.46 | paulswm | well I'm tired of the BS here and I hardly ever leave. |
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| 20:31.04 | ircdevil | what is the difference between ps level 1 and 2? |
| 20:31.32 | douglas | PerfDave: ~1000 corpses' worth of blood would be worth however much crude oil it would take to get the pumps below $2/gallon, at least in my book as long as i'm not one of those 1000, dig? |
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| 20:32.05 | benjamindees | heh, yeah, it's the Bush-bashers giving #debian a bad name... |
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| 20:32.13 | PerfDave | douglas: Is it a linear scale? Do the 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians mean we have to drive oil down to 2 cents a gallon? :) |
| 20:32.29 | PeTeRB | benjamindees: Let's bash someone else then :) |
| 20:32.32 | KursK | what can I do if I have sarge and wan't to install an app which ist from woody? A got a deb-src-line but this ends with woody so dselect will ignore it... |
| 20:32.35 | Lee__ | this sounds like AM radio |
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| 20:32.51 | douglas | PerfDave: not sure but if that's a possibility we should start the nuking yesterday |
| 20:32.54 | Lee__ | KursK: the app should also be in sarge |
| 20:33.07 | resiak | Lee__: Unless it's not, of course. |
| 20:33.15 | TheTransporter | fuck this, you guys aren't helping |
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| 20:33.29 | shingouz | douglas, PerfDave: please stop that, it is already getting a bit annoying |
| 20:33.32 | peterS | douglas: you can complain about gas prices being too high since the war, or you can complain that the war was about the US guaranteeing its supply of cheap oil, but it's kind of hard to do both at once, eh? |
| 20:33.36 | blablablabla | is modconf somewhat outdated and one should use a new tool instead? |
| 20:33.45 | douglas | sigh ok peter |
| 20:33.50 | KursK | Lee__, in this case it isn't...? it's videolan |
| 20:34.11 | KursK | Lee__, got main and non-free in my apt |
| 20:34.17 | shingouz | blablablabla: not really, you can still use it afaik. i think modprobe is the preferred tool these days though |
| 20:34.22 | PerfDave | sepen: But nobody else is in #sarge :) |
| 20:34.26 | PerfDave | !why is videolan not in sarge |
| 20:34.26 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, PerfDave |
| 20:34.38 | blablablabla | shiner840: modprobe saves my configuration? |
| 20:34.43 | PerfDave | !info vlc sarge |
| 20:34.49 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1.svn20050314-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 5106 kB, Installed size: 12944 kB |
| 20:34.55 | KursK | on the videolan-page there are only links for unstable and stable, no testing |
| 20:35.04 | douglas | this past hour's gotta be close to a #debian record of offtopic/on ratios |
| 20:35.05 | Lee__ | KursK: ^^ |
| 20:35.07 | KursK | mmmmmh |
| 20:35.09 | PerfDave | KursK: vlc is already packaged for Debian as vlc |
| 20:35.34 | douglas | i mean no one even asked about configuring sound |
| 20:35.34 | KursK | uh oh ah okay you won =) |
| 20:35.35 | KursK | sorry |
| 20:35.46 | shingouz | blablablabla: yes it does. and check your tab completion ;) |
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| 20:36.09 | jbmigel | howto configure alsa please? |
| 20:36.20 | shingouz | jbmigel: alsaconf |
| 20:36.21 | blablablabla | shingouz: far too many ppl in here, thanks I never used it that way ... |
| 20:36.25 | streuner | !tell jbmigel about alsa |
| 20:36.29 | douglas | jbmigel: if you're interested in sound, you should not be running debian |
| 20:36.33 | pipeline | jbmigel: If you install alsa-base and alsa-oss and reboot, it should "just work" |
| 20:36.38 | pipeline | douglas: What the hell are you talking about? |
| 20:36.49 | jbmigel | douglas i was only asking to appease you |
| 20:36.55 | douglas | i know |
| 20:36.58 | douglas | i kept it rolling |
| 20:37.02 | douglas | easy fellas |
| 20:37.14 | jbmigel | thanks guys "apt-get install alsa-utils" did it fine! |
| 20:37.16 | Lee__ | jbmigel: sounds works very well with Debian testing |
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| 20:38.09 | douglas | not for nothing, but debian's history of seemless sound configging aint so hot relative to other distros.. |
| 20:38.14 | Lee__ | !tell jbmigel about alsa |
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| 20:38.37 | EvilSporkMan | what kind of regexes does apt-cache use? I'm trying to do a case-insensitive search |
| 20:38.51 | douglas | EvilSporkMan: they are insensitive |
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| 20:38.54 | EvilSporkMan | oh, never mind, i'm just blind |
| 20:39.05 | ircdevil | anyone knows if it is possible to improve the quality of an epsi preview image? |
| 20:39.34 | abrotman | ircdevil: use pepsi |
| 20:39.43 | jbmigel | streuner or Lee_ whats this nonsense about needing discover1? isnt that that stupid program that borks your cdrom if you let it do anything? |
| 20:39.54 | abrotman | jbmigel: it's gotten much better |
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| 20:40.17 | resiak | abrotman: It doesn't keep removing the mount point any more? |
| 20:40.19 | streuner | jbmigel: usually you don't need it to configure ALSA |
| 20:40.25 | abrotman | resiak: i thought that was udev |
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| 20:40.29 | Lee__ | jbmigel: don't know. Gnome works alright with cdroms, I've left it at that. |
| 20:40.35 | resiak | abrotman: No, udev removes the device ;-) |
| 20:40.42 | streuner | jbmigel: most sarge user have it just installed (d-i) |
| 20:40.45 | abrotman | i think that's what he said |
| 20:40.46 | shingouz | but udev is a bug ;) |
| 20:40.52 | douglas | ircdevil: on gimp, filters < enhance < * |
| 20:40.55 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 20:40.55 | dpkg | useless factoids is probably Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 20:41.03 | resiak | :magic hate ball |
| 20:41.09 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:41.10 | resiak | !magic hate ball |
| 20:41.11 | resiak | !spank me |
| 20:41.15 | shingouz | abrotman: lets create some useless factoids |
| 20:41.15 | ircdevil | douglas: naa, i want it generated in high quality |
| 20:41.17 | pipeline | Someday freenode will ban bots. And I will cheer. |
| 20:41.20 | abrotman | maybe we should make that (knoppix|ubuntu) |
| 20:41.21 | RichiH | heh, a hate ball |
| 20:41.29 | abrotman | RichiH: how was italy ? |
| 20:41.38 | RichiH | abrotman: didn't you already ask me= |
| 20:41.41 | douglas | ircdevil: ok word i can't help you there |
| 20:41.43 | RichiH | abrotman: but it was good :) |
| 20:41.44 | abrotman | RichiH: of course not :) |
| 20:41.55 | RichiH | abrotman: also, i got these italian cakes |
| 20:41.57 | abrotman | pipeline: you could choose to ignore them |
| 20:41.59 | ircdevil | dpkg tell abrotman about pepsi |
| 20:42.01 | abrotman | pipeline: or not come here :) |
| 20:42.06 | RichiH | they are filled with some kind of milk cream |
| 20:42.07 | resiak | !useless factoids =~ s/Every/<reply> Every/ |
| 20:42.07 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 20:42.09 | RichiH | they are _great_ |
| 20:42.10 | ircdevil | abrotman: and then you tell me what pepsi is :o) |
| 20:42.18 | pipeline | abrotman: I would still have to see people spam !foo bar !fsck my a550rgy |
| 20:42.19 | streuner | abrotman: italy isn't far away from RichiH, that's like for you to drive to NYC... |
| 20:42.25 | resiak | !useless factoids =~ s/knoppix/(knoppix|ubuntu|kurumin|mepis|linspire)/ |
| 20:42.25 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 20:42.31 | abrotman | streuner: like i would ever do that :) |
| 20:42.41 | abrotman | resiak: a ubuntu ? |
| 20:42.45 | RichiH | !useless factoids |
| 20:42.46 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a linspire user |
| 20:42.52 | resiak | pipeline: Then /ignore lines starting wih ! |
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| 20:42.58 | RichiH | well, that would be a good thing, wouldn't it? |
| 20:42.58 | resiak | abrotman: Oh, hang on. |
| 20:43.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:43.10 | sackretruq | i couldnt find the fsck lost+found recover script |
| 20:43.11 | abrotman | RichiH: agreed |
| 20:43.14 | streuner | RichiH: hehe |
| 20:43.15 | douglas | damn firefox users and their middle wheel clicking all my thumbnails at once .... |
| 20:43.24 | pipeline | resiak: That would be a sysiphean task as people found new annoying ways to talk to bots in public. |
| 20:43.31 | douglas | not to mention the wgetting a-holes |
| 20:43.32 | RichiH | abrotman: but streuner is right, it was a 5 1/2 hour drive to bibione |
| 20:43.43 | streuner | oh |
| 20:43.45 | abrotman | pipeline: i'm sorry we force you to come in here daily to observe our antics :) |
| 20:43.53 | RichiH | without particullarly hurrying, either |
| 20:43.53 | abrotman | RichiH: NYC is much closer for me |
| 20:44.06 | resiak | abrotman: Fixed. |
| 20:44.14 | streuner | s/like/about/ |
| 20:44.21 | abrotman | resiak: yay |
| 20:44.27 | RichiH | streuner: venezia would of been 20 minutes more |
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| 20:45.04 | streuner | RichiH: and milano, how long do you have to drive by car? |
| 20:45.11 | douglas | what might be a good way to delay the bursting of blood vessels in my eyes from extended exposure to a CRT? brightness/contrast? color scheems? resolution? |
| 20:45.25 | douglas | 'cause visine ain't doing it for me anymore |
| 20:45.26 | abrotman | douglas: buy an LCD |
| 20:45.37 | douglas | i heard lcds are worse in this area |
| 20:45.41 | abrotman | douglas: get a new job ? |
| 20:45.52 | shingouz | lsd? |
| 20:45.53 | douglas | well, a new hobby .. |
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| 20:46.01 | King_Brad | Starting MTA: 2005-05-24 09:42:11 Exim configuration error in line 6 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated: |
| 20:46.02 | King_Brad | malformed macro definition |
| 20:46.09 | King_Brad | any idea on what that means / how to fix it? |
| 20:46.16 | abrotman | oh .. i can guess |
| 20:46.21 | RichiH | streuner: dunno |
| 20:46.21 | PerfDave | douglas: Put the CRT down and go read a book or sleep or something. |
| 20:46.22 | abrotman | but i would need to see LINE 6! |
| 20:46.30 | King_Brad | ok |
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| 20:46.50 | douglas | PerfDave: i hate books and i only have so much klonopin left |
| 20:46.52 | King_Brad | DEBCONFminimaldnsDEBCONF <----- line 6 |
| 20:47.06 | Lee__ | this is a funny discussion with douglas on /ignore |
| 20:47.20 | abrotman | King_Brad: i'm not an exim person .. but looks fine to me |
| 20:47.23 | PerfDave | Lee__: "/ignore -replies" is your friend :) |
| 20:47.39 | douglas | ignore, huh .. i'm somehow flattered |
| 20:47.52 | King_Brad | well, if it looks fine, then why is it erroring ? |
| 20:47.55 | douglas | a lil' bit. |
| 20:47.59 | PerfDave | douglas: Books are good. Books are your friend. |
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| 20:48.11 | toubsu | or they're evil |
| 20:48.34 | PeTeRB | Off-topic: If you ask someone to find nothing, what reply should you get? |
| 20:49.03 | shingouz | PeTeRB: is this a trick question? |
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| 20:49.12 | PeTeRB | shingouz: Maybe. |
| 20:49.20 | abrotman | King_Brad: did you try dpkg-reconfigure on the package? |
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| 20:49.40 | King_Brad | umm |
| 20:49.41 | shingouz | PeTeRB: something sarcastic as an answer perhaps? ;) |
| 20:49.42 | King_Brad | brb |
| 20:49.51 | abrotman | PeTeRB: depends where you're searching doesn't it ? |
| 20:49.58 | resiak | Does anyone remember what needs dpkg-reconfiguring to pick a dsp wrapper for mozilla plugins? |
| 20:50.04 | PeTeRB | abrotman: Exactly. |
| 20:50.06 | abrotman | !win me |
| 20:50.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 20:50.13 | sepen | can i connect my irc-server with this? |
| 20:50.16 | PeTeRB | dpkg just found lots of nothing :| |
| 20:50.30 | covux | do u like exciting new adventures and thrilling experience? the lokal nerd alliance recommends a everyday apt-get update / dist-upgrade on sid.. feel it ;-) |
| 20:50.45 | PeTeRB | covux: I do that. |
| 20:50.54 | King_Brad | abrotman ok, did that |
| 20:51.07 | shingouz | sepen: huh? |
| 20:51.12 | King_Brad | how do i start MTA? |
| 20:51.19 | BucWheat | !seen deadcat |
| 20:51.19 | dpkg | deadcat is currently on #debian (8h 49m 6s). Has said a total of 16373 messages. Is idling for 14h 45m 32s |
| 20:51.31 | abrotman | King_Brad: /etc/init.d/exim restart .. i would guess anyways |
| 20:51.55 | King_Brad | no such file or dir |
| 20:51.58 | toubsu | is deadcat greycat? |
| 20:51.59 | PeTeRB | s/exim/exim4/ ;) |
| 20:52.03 | abrotman | King_Brad: exim4 maybe ? |
| 20:52.05 | covux | PeTeRB: me too. :-) |
| 20:52.08 | abrotman | exim<tab><tab> |
| 20:52.14 | abrotman | toubsu: no |
| 20:52.15 | King_Brad | nope |
| 20:52.17 | King_Brad | didnt help |
| 20:52.35 | King_Brad | i did dpkg -reconfigure exim4 |
| 20:52.35 | toubsu | abortman: greycat is missing!? |
| 20:52.37 | King_Brad | didnt help |
| 20:52.37 | abrotman | King_Brad: sarge or sid ? |
| 20:52.40 | King_Brad | sarge |
| 20:52.43 | abrotman | King_Brad: it's one word .. dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:52.51 | abrotman | toubsu: he just quit |
| 20:52.58 | toubsu | oh lol |
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| 20:53.07 | King_Brad | eggys:/var/lib/exim4# dpkg-reconfigure exim4 <---- just goes to next line |
| 20:53.12 | King_Brad | does not say anything |
| 20:53.19 | abrotman | -plow ? |
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| 20:53.24 | King_Brad | -plow? |
| 20:53.26 | toubsu | abortman: but i miss him already |
| 20:53.30 | abrotman | ok |
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| 20:54.02 | resiak | Right, I'm looking for a way to wrap mozilla plugins with aoss. dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-browser doesn't seem to include that option, which is a pain in the behind. |
| 20:54.06 | Jacobo221 | which is better: clara or gocr |
| 20:54.12 | King_Brad | dpkg-reconfigre -plow exim4? |
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| 20:54.22 | abrotman | resiak: thought there was a plugin |
| 20:54.30 | lestat | hi all, I'm in need of a bit of help: I'm writing down an italian guide to Sarge installation, and I was wondering how can I take installer screenshots during the installation process... |
| 20:54.34 | resiak | abrotman: If you find it, I'll hug you. |
| 20:54.47 | PerfDave | lestat: Run the installer in qemu, until it crashes. |
| 20:54.52 | Jacobo221 | or, may I ask it in another way: in your experience, which gives better OCR results: clara or gocr? |
| 20:54.53 | Terr1 | There isent a .deb package that adds mysqli for php4 in debian yet? if you need this you must compile yourself? |
| 20:54.54 | lestat | is there some utility, or I have to make a fake installation? |
| 20:54.54 | PerfDave | lestat: Run it on a seperate box, over a serial console :) |
| 20:54.58 | King_Brad | Warning! Invalid configuration file for exim4. Exiting. <---- now i get that as an added bonus |
| 20:55.01 | benjamindees | lestat, or bochs |
| 20:55.20 | abrotman | resiak: not the vlc plugin ? |
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| 20:55.25 | lestat | urgh... |
| 20:55.28 | resiak | !info php4-mysql |
| 20:55.29 | PeTeRB | lestat: Another option is to actually install it and use a camera |
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| 20:55.34 | dpkg | php4-mysql: (MySQL module for php4), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-15 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 67 kB |
| 20:55.36 | lestat | hehehe :) |
| 20:55.44 | resiak | Terr1: Doesn't php4-mysql do the trick? |
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| 20:55.56 | abrotman | King_Brad: i have no idea how you did that .. but it's probably not good .. |
| 20:55.56 | resiak | abrotman: Does that wrap Flash? |
| 20:55.58 | Terr1 | dont think so hmm |
| 20:56.05 | abrotman | resiak: oh .. i did that at home .. i think |
| 20:56.07 | resiak | Terr1: Have you tried it? |
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| 20:56.08 | King_Brad | abrotman yea i coulda guessed that |
| 20:56.09 | King_Brad | lol |
| 20:56.24 | lestat | a `cat /dev/tty1 > myscreen` can be processed in some way, at installation end? |
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| 20:56.36 | rr72 | hey all |
| 20:56.38 | abrotman | resiak: but my flash just worked .. hrm |
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| 20:57.07 | Terr1 | resiak, yes I have |
| 20:57.21 | ircdevil | grrrrr - xfig doenst even have a mailing list |
| 20:57.29 | resiak | abrotman: Mine does Just Work unless something else is using sound. My chip doesn't do hardware mixing. It's all okay if everything uses ALSA, since dmix deals with that, but if anything uses the OSS emulation ... death. |
| 20:57.33 | resiak | Terr1: Oh. |
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| 21:01.17 | lestat | thanks2all :) |
| 21:01.36 | PerfDave | Does ALSA OSS emulation not work through dmix? |
| 21:01.51 | PerfDave | I guess I'll stick with aRts ;) |
| 21:01.56 | Lee__ | I think dmix is specific to alsa |
| 21:01.59 | resiak | PerfDave: No, it doesn't. |
| 21:02.06 | PerfDave | resiak: Suckage. |
| 21:02.15 | PerfDave | I mean, that's so broken it's not true. |
| 21:02.20 | resiak | PerfDave: I was rather surprised by that, too. My current workaround is to run galeon itself through aoss. |
| 21:02.32 | PerfDave | resiak: artsdsp! :) |
| 21:02.37 | resiak | PerfDave: I think that the OSS emulation happens too late in the chain for anything to be intercepted. |
| 21:02.44 | resiak | PerfDave: Do you not remember what happened the last time I used arts? |
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| 21:03.07 | PerfDave | resiak: Yeah, but that was running it in vmware or something, wasn't it? |
| 21:03.19 | resiak | PerfDave: No... |
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| 21:03.33 | PerfDave | resiak: Oh, well, you suck ;) |
| 21:03.54 | rr72 | well not for money like u |
| 21:04.00 | Terr1 | When I currently got mysql 4.0 installed and want to install mysql 4.1 I guess it messes with mysql 4.0 settings as well? |
| 21:04.06 | resiak | PerfDave: I was using Konqueror when picking a browser to use in place of Redhairedsexylady, and got an aRTs forkbomb! |
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| 21:06.33 | PerfDave | resiak: You suck ;) |
| 21:07.38 | xiptos | Hi all! I've been having some clock drift with sid even using ntp-simple... anyone experiencing the same? |
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| 21:07.59 | shingouz | xiptos: a dallas clockchip? |
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| 21:08.12 | rr72 | i need help!! my sound doesnt work. |
| 21:08.16 | xiptos | shingouz: how can I find that out? |
| 21:08.22 | rr72 | *work in kde |
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| 21:09.25 | shingouz | xiptos: the only way to see it is to open up the box. if you know you have one of those small shiny buttoncells there you do not have a dallas chip. if you do have a dallas, i suspect the chip in that case. they do get old and tired by now |
| 21:09.40 | resiak | PerfDave: I suck? What TF did I do? |
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| 21:10.03 | rleigh | Hi folks. |
| 21:10.15 | ryno1 | i need help with my sound |
| 21:10.23 | abrotman | what about it ? |
| 21:10.23 | ryno1 | im on my debian box |
| 21:10.29 | ryno1 | its broke |
| 21:10.32 | xiptos | shingouz: the board has a littium battery... |
| 21:10.41 | abrotman | define broke |
| 21:10.58 | PerfDave | resiak: Didn't use KDE properly ;0 |
| 21:11.18 | ryno1 | no |
| 21:11.26 | ryno1 | i just installed kde last night |
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| 21:11.31 | abrotman | you don't want to define broke ? |
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| 21:11.42 | ryno1 | not work at all |
| 21:11.46 | shingouz | xiptos: not a dallas there in that case. if you suspect the condition of the battery, replace it. a couple of years may already zap it and there are bad batteries too. |
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| 21:11.54 | rleigh | I've just been setting up a bunch of chroots (with cdebootstrap) for use with sbuild, and I've mounted proc, home etc. within them. No problems there, but I do have a problem with synching passwd/group files between the base system and all the chroots. Is there a simple (non-NIS) way to do this? [hard links are not possible.] |
| 21:11.54 | shingouz | !doesn't work |
| 21:11.54 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 21:12.13 | resiak | rleigh: Do you want to define "not work at all"? |
| 21:12.15 | xiptos | shingouz: I replaced it yesterday... didn't fix it... :( |
| 21:12.16 | ryno1 | i defined it |
| 21:12.25 | ryno1 | plays no sound |
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| 21:12.28 | PeTeRB | Isn't broke = bankrupt? |
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| 21:12.53 | rr72 | but his machine is fine |
| 21:12.56 | abrotman | ryno1: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 21:12.58 | rleigh | resiak: I didn't say that! |
| 21:13.00 | PerfDave | rleigh: Set up a partition for shared configuration files, bind mount it as /sharedconfig everywhere, symlink /etc/passwd to /sharedconfig/passwd in each chroot? |
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| 21:13.03 | resiak | rleigh: Sorry. |
| 21:13.06 | Debianes | hi? |
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| 21:13.16 | Debianes | am i in the right place for a question? |
| 21:13.21 | shingouz | xiptos: the batteries are not *that* bad. in that case i am not sure what to do, probably hardware if the clock does the same with any and all o/s you feed the box |
| 21:13.27 | rr72 | abrotman~ thats not nice |
| 21:13.31 | PeTeRB | Debianes: Depends. |
| 21:13.37 | abrotman | what isn't ? |
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| 21:13.41 | abrotman | rr72: shuddup |
| 21:13.50 | rr72 | why? |
| 21:13.50 | zol1 | Debianes: sry, most people are quite poor themselves to ask them for money |
| 21:13.56 | Debianes | i am a debian new comer and have a doub with apt-get install |
| 21:14.01 | abrotman | rr72: because it's a way to test sound you jackass |
| 21:14.01 | ryno1 | ur an idiot |
| 21:14.12 | abrotman | ryno1: did you get noise or not ? |
| 21:14.13 | rleigh | PerfDave: That sounds promising. You can also bind single files somehow nowadays, right? |
| 21:14.19 | ryno1 | abrotman, no its not |
| 21:14.25 | abrotman | no it's not what ? |
| 21:14.29 | abrotman | no sound ? or not a way to test ? |
| 21:14.31 | shingouz | Debianes: just ask the question, that is the way things work here :) |
| 21:14.31 | PerfDave | rleigh: I've not tried. That's just what I'd do if I were doign what you had in mind. |
| 21:14.32 | ryno1 | to test sound |
| 21:14.35 | abrotman | yes it is |
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| 21:14.44 | PerfDave | rleigh: Of course, you have to check that each chroot uses the same password hashing algorithm and salt. |
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| 21:15.01 | Debianes | well, i try to install bur i receive a message: broken packages |
| 21:15.05 | abrotman | ryno1: did your sound work before kde ? |
| 21:15.07 | zol1 | is the question "is this a metaquestion" a metaquestion ? |
| 21:15.08 | resiak | ryno1: it is most definitely a way to test sound. |
| 21:15.15 | rr72 | abrotman~ no |
| 21:15.18 | rr72 | never worked |
| 21:15.23 | xiptos | shingouz: I have only tried with Debian sid... well. I'll keep looking for possibilities. Thanks a lot! |
| 21:15.34 | abrotman | rr72: i didn't ask you did i ? |
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| 21:15.38 | rleigh | PerfDave: Thanks for the suggestion. I'll give it a whirl. |
| 21:15.39 | rr72 | yes u did |
| 21:15.42 | rr72 | same person |
| 21:15.43 | abrotman | rr72: are you ryno1 ? |
| 21:15.51 | shingouz | xiptos: some mobos do that with the clock from time to time afaik :( |
| 21:15.51 | rr72 | no shit sherlocjk |
| 21:15.58 | abrotman | rr72: pick one damn nick |
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| 21:16.03 | rr72 | ryno1 is on my debian box |
| 21:16.06 | abrotman | grr |
| 21:16.12 | abrotman | rr72: so your sound never worked ? |
| 21:16.15 | shingouz | Debianes: what are you trying to install? |
| 21:16.18 | abrotman | rr72: which chpiset ? |
| 21:16.22 | rr72 | via |
| 21:16.29 | dan[iel] | has anyone had problems with their mouse uncalibrating in xserver ? |
| 21:16.30 | xiptos | shingouz: I found someone with similar prob and similar chipset: http://list.wylug.org.uk/pipermail/wylug-help/2003-November/002286.html |
| 21:16.39 | Guerin | rr72: via is a company, not a chipset |
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| 21:16.47 | rr72 | here we go again |
| 21:17.01 | PeTeRB | abrotman: Oooh. cat'ting files or devices to /dev/dsp is really cool :P |
| 21:17.01 | rr72 | u want the link to mb? |
| 21:17.07 | dan[iel] | :::::::::::: anyone run planeshift in debian ? :::::::::: |
| 21:17.11 | Guerin | rr72: no, i want you to be specific. |
| 21:17.17 | c4_ | i have a problem with a sensor or something, the machin reach 60 centigrades and something turn it of, is something in the kernel?, the message it displays is: "Critical temperature". |
| 21:17.19 | Debianes | shingouz: i trying kopete |
| 21:17.20 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:17.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:17.24 | abrotman | rr72: stop being vague |
| 21:17.31 | shingouz | Debianes: apt-get install kopete? |
| 21:17.35 | Debianes | yeah |
| 21:17.44 | Debianes | but i receibe some error messages |
| 21:17.45 | dan[iel] | booo for kopete |
| 21:17.46 | directhex | c4_, usually it's a hardware thing |
| 21:17.48 | shingouz | Debianes: di dyou do apt-get update first? |
| 21:17.51 | Guerin | dan[iel]: no, dude, I can't get it to work. I'm stuck here on the prime material like all the rest of you. |
| 21:17.52 | dan[iel] | apt-cache search gaim |
| 21:18.01 | c4_ | directhex: only in linux |
| 21:18.05 | Guerin | except abrotman, but he's an exception to all sorts of rules |
| 21:18.10 | Debianes | shingouz, yeah, i did |
| 21:18.23 | Debianes | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:18.28 | shingouz | Debianes: could you paste the errors into #flood? |
| 21:18.30 | Debianes | that one of the messages i receive |
| 21:18.37 | shingouz | Debianes: do *NOT* paste here! |
| 21:18.39 | shingouz | :) |
| 21:18.40 | rr72 | VIA KM400/VT8235 chipsets |
| 21:18.45 | Debianes | ok! |
| 21:18.49 | directhex | c4_, i'm not aware of anything kernel level that acts upon cpu over temp. for one thing, you need too many unreliable sensors modules for it |
| 21:18.50 | Guerin | rr72: /msg dpkg ac97 |
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| 21:18.58 | c4_ | some ACPI stuff? |
| 21:19.05 | Guerin | rr72: i think that's the chipset you want. |
| 21:19.12 | ryno1 | k |
| 21:19.13 | ryno1 | kool |
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| 21:19.48 | dan[iel] | Guer what problem is planeshift telling you ? |
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| 21:20.13 | IDC | bye |
| 21:20.16 | rr72 | 6 Channel AC97 CODEC VT1616 on board audio solution |
| 21:20.21 | abrotman | Guerin: exception for what ? |
| 21:20.40 | xiptos | shingouz: think I found a solution: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0410.1/1505.html |
| 21:21.02 | Guerin | dan[iel]: it can't find a fissure in the astral flux. I have the flux disruptor working fine, but the damn thing can't find it. |
| 21:21.03 | rr72 | so i need a driver right? |
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| 21:21.13 | abrotman | Guerin: what did i do again? |
| 21:21.20 | shingouz | Debianes: hmm... what version of debian you run there at the moment? |
| 21:21.24 | kisielk | hm, is it possible to remount / ro while SSH'd in to a system? |
| 21:21.26 | abrotman | rr72: why arne't you using discover/alsa/somecombinationofthat |
| 21:21.26 | shingouz | xiptos: lemme see |
| 21:21.30 | resiak | rr72: (a) Install a 2.6 kernel. (b) Get ALSA packages. (c) Reboot. |
| 21:21.39 | abrotman | run alsa-conf ? |
| 21:21.42 | Guerin | abrotman: you were an exception to the 'no interplanar travel' rule |
| 21:21.46 | rr72 | i have sarge |
| 21:21.53 | abrotman | Guerin: oh .. it was just that one time |
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| 21:22.00 | Guerin | abrotman: still... |
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| 21:22.14 | tra1a1a | how do I set the time zone? |
| 21:22.16 | horst | helo |
| 21:22.17 | resiak | abrotman: Or discover1 \o/ |
| 21:22.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:22.19 | resiak | !timezone |
| 21:22.19 | dpkg | [timezone] "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 21:22.21 | abrotman | yay |
| 21:22.32 | xiptos | shingouz: well... rebooting into BIOS... back in sec... |
| 21:22.33 | tra1a1a | thanks |
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| 21:23.13 | Debianes | aloo |
| 21:23.41 | rr72 | what do i do? |
| 21:23.45 | horst | changed from ati rage pro to NVedia GeForce II. don't get the xserver running with the nv driver |
| 21:23.52 | d03boy | what file do I need to change my ident? |
| 21:23.58 | shingouz | i am not too sure what to do with that error, Debianes. lemme do a small google, ok? |
| 21:24.05 | Debianes | ok |
| 21:24.06 | horst | in XF86Config-4 |
| 21:24.24 | Debianes | i am newcomer so i am really lost |
| 21:24.25 | resiak | !drxx horst |
| 21:24.25 | dpkg | horst: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 21:24.29 | resiak | !tell horst -about xmd5 |
| 21:24.35 | Debianes | it's only a week since i met debian |
| 21:24.36 | dan[iel] | im using a Radeon 9600 and its working fine with debians base ATI drivers |
| 21:24.43 | zol1 | can anyone give me a rough estimate of the memory requirement of mpd music server + some frontend for it ? |
| 21:24.43 | jasoncohen | anyone know how to add a CUPS printer in windows? |
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| 21:24.53 | jasoncohen | i usually use samba but it's not showing the printer |
| 21:24.58 | rr72 | jasoncohen~ tons of docs on it |
| 21:25.21 | furrywolf | with gs and the foo2zjs filter, how do you tell it not to dither in a horribly fucking ugly fashion? |
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| 21:25.28 | d03boy | can I get a list of commands for dmsg? |
| 21:25.46 | carsten | test |
| 21:25.48 | jasoncohen | rr72, is there something i have to do to get swat to detect CUPS printers which are already added to my system? |
| 21:25.58 | rr72 | idk |
| 21:26.03 | rr72 | don't lsten to me |
| 21:26.16 | shingouz | there has been some bitching on the channle about drifting clocks. check this out: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0410.1/1505.html <--- a new factoid, perhaps? |
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| 21:26.37 | tarzeau | moo |
| 21:26.41 | rr72 | how do i upgrade kernel with apt-get? |
| 21:26.51 | abrotman | rr72: just like you install anything else with apt |
| 21:26.52 | PerfDave | rr72: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 21:26.56 | dan[iel] | apt-get install kernel<version> |
| 21:27.00 | zol1 | jasoncohen: samba config file contains a section which allow adding cups printers. though i couldn't get it to work |
| 21:27.14 | Cyanophytes | anyone know a place to get a decent inexpensive linux laptop? |
| 21:27.19 | tarzeau | that's only true for linux kernel |
| 21:27.26 | tarzeau | and it should be renamed to linux |
| 21:27.27 | abrotman | Cyanophytes: wal-mart :) |
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| 21:27.29 | dan[iel] | ... linux laptop .. buy a lap top ... install linux |
| 21:27.31 | tarzeau | since there's better kernel |
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| 21:27.43 | tarzeau | damn my "s" kez stucks hit |
| 21:27.57 | tarzeau | dan[iel]: you mean apple laptop, right? |
| 21:28.01 | zol1 | tarzeau: and zou got the wrong lazout |
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| 21:28.06 | tarzeau | zol1: crap |
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| 21:28.27 | furrywolf | the dithering it uses is just... ugly! banding, blotching, inaccurate... typical ghostscript crap. |
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| 21:29.17 | tarzeau | damn does schism rock |
| 21:29.39 | tarzeau | dan[iel]: i never said MAC WAS LINUX! |
| 21:29.45 | xiptos | shingouz: now I only have to wait for some hours... thanks again. |
| 21:29.50 | tarzeau | dan[iel]: i said apple laptops are nice. and linux runs on them |
| 21:29.53 | Terr1 | What is the correct way to check how much hdd space a specified folder is taking? |
| 21:29.56 | tarzeau | dan[iel]: x86 sucks big time |
| 21:29.59 | PerfDave | tarzeau: There's not yet any way to interchangably switch between Linux and non-Linux kernels in Debian, is there? |
| 21:30.04 | exobyte | ibm laptops are nice |
| 21:30.04 | PerfDave | Terr1: du |
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| 21:30.08 | tarzeau | dan[iel]: CAN YOU STOP MSG ME |
| 21:30.10 | horst | thx @ll |
| 21:30.13 | prozac | ibm laptops rock |
| 21:30.13 | tarzeau | exobyte: no they suck |
| 21:30.15 | PerfDave | Apple laptops involve giving money to Apple though, that's not good ;) |
| 21:30.17 | tarzeau | prozac: bullshit |
| 21:30.20 | shingouz | xiptos: i didnt do anything, you did it all on your own :) |
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| 21:30.25 | prozac | espescially with linux |
| 21:30.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: mine is great .. |
| 21:30.32 | tarzeau | PerfDave: not for the same binaries |
| 21:30.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: so be it |
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| 21:30.45 | dan[iel] | IBM laptops are awesome ... |
| 21:30.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: i love you too! :) |
| 21:30.55 | tarzeau | dan[iel]: there was never a question about price |
| 21:30.55 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Hmm, you'd expect HURD and Linux to be interchangable with the same version of libc6 :) |
| 21:31.03 | tarzeau | dan[iel]: do NOT MSG ME! EVER AGAIN |
| 21:31.05 | prozac | tarzeau: what the hell ? |
| 21:31.06 | xiptos | shingouz: :) |
| 21:31.12 | tarzeau | dan[iel]: or i will show you my fucking hairy scrotum |
| 21:31.30 | bucky | that's against the geneva conference |
| 21:31.34 | dan[iel] | Tarzeau is an immature child |
| 21:31.41 | paulswm | well that's a visual I can do without |
| 21:32.08 | ecobit | how to reference a the directory that a script is in from within the script itself? |
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| 21:32.37 | zol1 | ecobit, through $0 you could |
| 21:32.41 | shingouz | apt-get install results in E: Broken packages. is that a really broken package in the repository or some error with dpkg/apt/whatnot? |
| 21:32.51 | carsten | hello debian folks. has anyone tried to install debian on a shuttle sn45gv3 ?? or even any other shuttle barebone ?? |
| 21:32.55 | PerfDave | ecobit: dirname $0 |
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| 21:33.01 | tarzeau | carsten: yes |
| 21:33.05 | tarzeau | carsten: nvidia problems? |
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| 21:33.28 | zol1 | carsten, shuttle ss51 good enough ? |
| 21:33.46 | carsten | no - i have the bone not bought jet. i just think about buying it... |
| 21:33.58 | PerfDave | !de |
| 21:33.58 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 21:33.59 | londonboi | Hi guys, I have just repartitioned my HD under sarge, its all up and running fine except for this error message, "Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy" any ideas on the problem. Thanks |
| 21:34.02 | tarzeau | carsten: just know that you have one pci slot less |
| 21:34.07 | zol1 | carsten, i did on a shuttle, and run now a soltek barebone |
| 21:34.12 | tarzeau | carsten: because the nvidia cards in there suck badly |
| 21:34.14 | ecobit | PerfDave, the output of that varies according to where i run the command from. i want it to always be identical |
| 21:34.21 | FarrisG | I've got a VPN user (working from home) with a box he had opened up to the WAN (just ssh). Somehow he ended up hosting some script-kiddies baby, trying to brute-force password-hack a shitload of boxes |
| 21:34.22 | tarzeau | carsten: i'd get a mac mini |
| 21:34.34 | anhi | tbh: #debian.de sucks big time |
| 21:34.34 | PerfDave | ecobit: Ask #bash maybe |
| 21:34.38 | FarrisG | I know the box should be wiped, but is there any methodical way for me to figure out exactly how it happened? |
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| 21:34.48 | zol1 | anhi, realname *g* |
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| 21:34.53 | FarrisG | Or at least what process/script is/was doing it? |
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| 21:34.58 | carsten | can i run debian on a mac mini ?? |
| 21:34.58 | anhi | zol1: one of the examples... |
| 21:35.02 | tarzeau | carsten: yes |
| 21:35.09 | gall | PerfDave: can we talk on msg ? |
| 21:35.13 | PerfDave | carsten: You can, if you want to give money to Apple. |
| 21:35.14 | tarzeau | anhi: full ack |
| 21:35.17 | PerfDave | gall: I'd rather not. |
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| 21:35.31 | gall | debian:~# iptables -L |
| 21:35.31 | gall | modprobe: Can't locate module ip_tables |
| 21:35.31 | gall | iptables v1.2.6a: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
| 21:35.34 | carsten | do i need to compile everything by myself or are there packages ? |
| 21:35.34 | gall | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 21:35.37 | gall | debian:~# |
| 21:35.38 | shingouz | Debianes: could you paste your sources into #flood too? just the relevant parts that is, not all the comments |
| 21:35.38 | gall | sorry |
| 21:35.44 | PerfDave | I looked at Mac mini, but it's just not as powerful or expandable as a Shuttle |
| 21:35.46 | tarzeau | carsten: there's powerpc support by debian |
| 21:35.51 | tarzeau | carsten: no, you don't have to compile anything |
| 21:35.59 | tarzeau | PerfDave: but way smaller |
| 21:36.04 | tarzeau | PerfDave: say if you want it in a car |
| 21:36.18 | PerfDave | tarzeau: If you wanted it in a car, you could do much better than a Mac Mini |
| 21:36.20 | tarzeau | PerfDave: a shuttle is so oversized |
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| 21:36.20 | zol1 | anhi, there are actually two debian-related reasons why i switched some machines to gentoo. debian.de and sussudio *g* |
| 21:36.27 | tarzeau | PerfDave: yeah? |
| 21:36.33 | Debianes | shingouz, ok there i go |
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| 21:36.37 | gall | PerfDave: I tell you i don't had this on my kernel what can i do ? You tell me to don't compile the kernel but what other could i do ? |
| 21:36.37 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Anyway, a Shuttle doesn't do what I want, and I wouldn't give money to Apple even if it did. |
| 21:36.42 | BehnaM | hi everyone |
| 21:36.42 | tarzeau | zol1: wait, you don't like sussudio? |
| 21:36.58 | PerfDave | gall: What does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:37.05 | tarzeau | PerfDave: you don't like apple, eh? |
| 21:37.10 | carsten | tarzeau: Do you know if mac-mini will also fast enough for video-cards ? ( tv on the computer ) |
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| 21:37.13 | tarzeau | PerfDave: actually, i don't either ;) |
| 21:37.13 | PerfDave | tarzeau: I don't want to support their business practives. |
| 21:37.19 | tarzeau | carsten: no idea |
| 21:37.19 | zol1 | tarzeau: i can't sy "yes" to that. but i dislike his bad moods |
| 21:37.21 | gall | PerfDave: debian:~# uname -r |
| 21:37.21 | gall | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 21:37.31 | PerfDave | carsten: I looked into it, and I don't think a Mac mini is powerful enough for a PVR. |
| 21:37.36 | PerfDave | gall: No wonder, 2.2 doesn't have iptables! |
| 21:37.43 | PerfDave | gall: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
| 21:37.47 | BehnaM | #flood |
| 21:37.51 | shingouz | !tell gall about real kernel |
| 21:37.55 | tarzeau | hah another person without bf24 |
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| 21:38.02 | carsten | tarzeau: Do you know the cpu speed of your mac mini ? |
| 21:38.05 | zol1 | tarzeau: actually, i only experienced him in bad moods |
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| 21:38.15 | rr72 | i installed kernal and restarted but still says 2.2 |
| 21:38.21 | tarzeau | carsten: i don't have one. i've got 10 shuttles at work, and they all suck if i'm honest |
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| 21:38.36 | PeTeRB | !kernal |
| 21:38.37 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 21:38.37 | ottoaim_ | mac minis have plenty of power(assuming you up the ram) |
| 21:38.37 | anhi | zol1: well, since english isn't a problem for me (ok, apart from spelling) i have an advantage over most germans (and my austrian colleges), explaining complex problems in english is less pain in the ass than those #debian.de ops |
| 21:38.38 | tarzeau | zol1: strange, never happened to me |
| 21:38.40 | jethro | zol1: I ve had the very same experience but still use debian :p |
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| 21:38.47 | tarzeau | zol1: only had alot of fun when he ever said something |
| 21:38.51 | tarzeau | zol1: know this one? |
| 21:38.55 | tarzeau | !sussudio |
| 21:38.55 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass, tarzeau! |
| 21:39.05 | tarzeau | zol1: i mean www.linuks.mine.nu/sussudio/ ? |
| 21:39.16 | PerfDave | ottoaim_: Depends on how you define "plenty of power". Not enough for decent PVR usage. |
| 21:39.24 | carsten | rr72: on my debian was a new iten on the boot-manager |
| 21:39.25 | jethro | paulswm: agreed |
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| 21:39.37 | carsten | rr72: to choose between 2.2 and 2.6 |
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| 21:39.45 | carsten | rr72: sorry 2.4 and 2.6 :-) |
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| 21:39.59 | BehnaM | how can i talck with dpkg |
| 21:40.02 | PerfDave | rr72: How did you install your kernel? |
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| 21:40.05 | paulswm | jethro: not even if I pissed *you* off :P |
| 21:40.09 | ottoaim_ | hmm, let me rephrase that, "and assuming you get a real hard drive" |
| 21:40.09 | rr72 | carsten~ can't understand u |
| 21:40.19 | jasoncohen | for some reason when i try to start the nfs-kernel daemon it just sits there |
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| 21:40.26 | PerfDave | ottoaim_: No, it's just not got enough CPU power. |
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| 21:40.30 | jasoncohen | is there something wrong with it? my settings are correct, i believe. |
| 21:40.34 | halls | oi |
| 21:40.35 | shingouz | BehnaM: /msg dpkg foo |
| 21:40.42 | tarzeau | !u |
| 21:40.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:40.48 | Lee__ | how do I change the minor number on an existing block device? |
| 21:40.50 | gall | PerfDave: And what now ? |
| 21:40.51 | jethro | paulswm: heh |
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| 21:41.06 | tarzeau | Lee__: what do you really want to do? |
| 21:41.07 | PerfDave | gall: Install a 2.4 kernel-image. Use it. |
| 21:41.08 | IceD^ | hello |
| 21:41.18 | Lee__ | tarzeau: I want to change the minor number on a block device |
| 21:41.26 | ottoaim_ | PerfDave: how so? for any tv input recording, you need a box and you might as well get one that encodes for you |
| 21:41.27 | Lee__ | from 1 to 16 |
| 21:41.28 | gall | PerfDave: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 ? |
| 21:41.31 | tarzeau | Lee__: why? |
| 21:41.33 | IceD^ | the problem: postfix's smtpd + sasl + ldap |
| 21:41.46 | ottoaim_ | or am i misunderstanding? |
| 21:41.47 | IceD^ | howto make them work together |
| 21:41.55 | jasoncohen | actually it did mount. now it's giving me remote system error even though i explicitly granted access to this ip |
| 21:41.55 | carsten | rr72: after i says "apt-get install kernel-image-xxxxyyyy" i saw a new point at the boot-manager where i could choose to boot 2.4 kernel of 2.6. |
| 21:41.59 | PerfDave | ottoaim_: You're misunderstanding :) |
| 21:42.00 | Lee__ | tarzeau: the UML kernel isn't recognizing it as a valid block device |
| 21:42.05 | ottoaim_ | :P |
| 21:42.12 | shingouz | gall: 2.4.18 is real old but even that is better than the one you have now |
| 21:42.18 | PerfDave | gall: What CPU do you have? |
| 21:42.24 | [Granger] | !size sarge |
| 21:42.24 | rr72 | carsten~ lilo is fucked |
| 21:42.29 | [Granger] | bah |
| 21:42.30 | Lee__ | tarzeau: mknod doesn't seem to modify, only create |
| 21:42.33 | [Granger] | what's the command for that |
| 21:42.33 | gall | PerfDave: on this p166 |
| 21:42.34 | rr72 | i need to use rescue diks |
| 21:42.45 | tarzeau | Lee__: yes |
| 21:42.51 | ottoaim_ | i personally wouldnt get a mac mini... |
| 21:43.04 | PerfDave | gall: kernel-image-2.4.18-586tsc |
| 21:43.14 | IceD^ | [postfix/smtpd] warning: SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory |
| 21:43.22 | IceD^ | warning: SASL authentication failure: Password verification failed |
| 21:43.29 | IceD^ | there is |
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| 21:43.48 | halls | nick |
| 21:43.48 | IceD^ | I have specified smtpd_sasl_mechanism_filter = ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap-aliases |
| 21:43.56 | halls | nick wesley |
| 21:44.02 | shingouz | Debianes: where did you go with the sources.list? |
| 21:44.20 | wesley | kk |
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| 21:44.34 | halls | oi |
| 21:44.37 | PerfDave | ottoaim_: Capture cards encode to raw MPEG2, which is huge. Mac Minis are crap at re-encoding to a more conservative format like DivX at any reasonable rate. They also don't seem to have enough processing power to perform other PVR functions like watching TV while recording, or pausing live TV. And they've got no room for capture cards so you have to use external USB devices which limits your bandwidth to the USB bus and takes up more space outsi |
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| 21:45.24 | tarzeau | PerfDave: firewire? |
| 21:45.31 | gall | PerfDave: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 21:45.46 | furrywolf | grrr... according to google, I'm screwed. there's no way to make ghostscript dither any way other than fucking ugly. |
| 21:45.53 | Lee__ | so...any ideas on how to change the minor number of a block device? |
| 21:46.24 | bbrazil | Lee__: why? |
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| 21:46.32 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Are firewire TV encoders supported by Linux? Doesn't change any of the other points though. |
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| 21:47.08 | Lee__ | bbrazil: cause my filesystem own't mount with a UML kernel cause the minor number is set wrong on the block device |
| 21:47.20 | Lee__ | s/own't/won't |
| 21:47.22 | bbrazil | Lee__: just use mknod |
| 21:47.29 | Lee__ | the device exists |
| 21:47.38 | bbrazil | and thats a problem because... |
| 21:47.48 | Lee__ | mknod won't let me modify an existing device |
| 21:48.01 | bbrazil | you've heard of 'rm' right? |
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| 21:48.06 | Lee__ | mknod /dev/ubd1 b 98 16 |
| 21:48.21 | Lee__ | perhaps deleting it is a bad idea? |
| 21:48.37 | bbrazil | can't make it worse, just save the old value |
| 21:48.45 | Lee__ | aight |
| 21:48.50 | bbrazil | assuming nothing else is using it |
| 21:49.03 | Lee__ | no, it's an empty file of zeros |
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| 21:49.44 | Lee__ | well hell, thanks for the encouragement :) |
| 21:49.57 | DoktorTomoe | can someone please help me getting exim to work? #exim is dead -_- |
| 21:49.58 | bbrazil | that doesn't prevent something else from using it |
| 21:50.13 | jethro | !tell DoktorTomoe -about ask |
| 21:50.36 | budluva | how do i burn an .img file? it wont load in either k3b or nerolinux, i thought .img was a nero image file? |
| 21:50.41 | yam | doktortom: what is your problem with your mta? |
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| 21:51.07 | DoktorTomoe | jethro: just wanted to be polite ... ok. I have a debian sarge box, and worked for some hours to get an exim/courier/Mysqlö service to work. logging into accounts works ... |
| 21:51.30 | PerfDave | DoktorTomoe: You're setting up virtual users on Exim 4? |
| 21:51.31 | DoktorTomoe | however: if I send an email from another server to an existing account of this one, it never shows up |
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| 21:52.12 | ethics | PerfDave, tarzeau : on the good side of things is that a 2 gig intel processor box is worth not much nowadays and can do all you need pvr wise with a reasonable card |
| 21:52.16 | yam | Doktortomoe: but... what does the log say? |
| 21:52.27 | green_earz | budluva: in k3b its tools > CD > burn CD image |
| 21:52.28 | shingouz | Debianes: you could use apt-setup to change the sources.list slightly. make 'contrib' and 'non-free' available too, then do a update and try to install again. lets see what happens |
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| 21:52.36 | DoktorTomoe | PerfDave: What is an "virtual user"? I used a german howto to this point (which tells me about exim4, vecim2, courier and mailman on debian sarge). |
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| 21:52.55 | PerfDave | DoktorTomoe: I mean people who don't have system accounts but do have mail accounts. |
| 21:53.01 | rr72 | the kernal is still 2.2 |
| 21:53.06 | PerfDave | DoktorTomoe: I assumed that's why you were using MySQL |
| 21:53.07 | DoktorTomoe | Perfdave: I've done this |
| 21:53.08 | PerfDave | !kernal |
| 21:53.08 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 21:53.31 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 21:53.31 | dpkg | paulswm: thanks |
| 21:53.40 | zol1 | DoktorTomoe: that's a mail recipient without a login account on the machine with the mta |
| 21:53.59 | rr72 | !slap PerfDave |
| 21:54.00 | DoktorTomoe | zol1, PerfDave: Right ... that's my configuration |
| 21:54.02 | Debianes | ok, i'm going with it |
| 21:54.04 | paulswm | !colonel |
| 21:54.09 | paulswm | :( |
| 21:54.09 | Debianes | tnak you shingouzx |
| 21:54.21 | Debianes | i mean, shingouz |
| 21:54.26 | PerfDave | DoktorTomoe: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/140 might be worth reading, I've not tried this myself. |
| 21:54.30 | js_ | how can i higher the rate of my mouse wheel? |
| 21:54.37 | zol1 | DoktorTomoe: you'd send mail to those on to another mail address |
| 21:54.46 | shingouz | Debianes: dont thank me yet, lets see if it works first ;) |
| 21:54.55 | paulswm | I wouldn't personally risk slapping PerfDave . |
| 21:54.57 | Debianes | there i go |
| 21:54.57 | furrywolf | bah. gimp is objecting to my trying to make a 1.4gb image... wtf do I have 2gb of ram for anyway? :P |
| 21:55.07 | DoktorTomoe | zol: no ... i send a mail from a different machine to an account on this one, and it vanishes. |
| 21:55.16 | tarzeau | furrywolf: color picture? |
| 21:55.22 | hardcampa- | porn pic? |
| 21:55.26 | jethro | DoktorTomoe: it doesn't even show up in the logs? |
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| 21:55.27 | hardcampa- | =P |
| 21:55.33 | zol1 | DoktorTomoe: look in /var/log/mail.info |
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| 21:55.36 | tarzeau | furrywolf: look one pixel in a color picture needs three bytes (if you got 8bpp) |
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| 21:55.49 | PerfDave | Oops, no, that's for virtual domains, not virtual users. |
| 21:55.50 | carsten | rr72: you neet to configure lilo ( or grub ) to use the new kernel |
| 21:55.54 | zol1 | DoktorTomoe: should tell you where it went |
| 21:55.59 | furrywolf | yarzeau: ghostscript seems incapable of dithering for my printer... so generating a 600dpi pre-dithered image with gimp. :P |
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| 21:56.14 | rr72 | carsten~ i don't use a boot loader |
| 21:56.14 | tarzeau | furrywolf: how large is your picture? |
| 21:56.22 | rr72 | they r broken |
| 21:56.23 | rr72 | !r |
| 21:56.23 | dpkg | i heard r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 21:56.26 | furrywolf | right now? friggin huge. :) |
| 21:56.34 | tarzeau | rr72: GRUB is fine |
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| 21:56.40 | shingouz | Debianes: apt-get install -f kopete might actually help too as you pointed out |
| 21:56.42 | PerfDave | rr72: How do you boot your system without a boot loader? |
| 21:56.45 | tarzeau | furrywolf: in numbers? |
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| 21:56.53 | carsten | rr72: sorry - i don't know - you boot your linux using a floppy disk ? |
| 21:57.02 | rr72 | i have to |
| 21:57.02 | FarrisG | is there anyway to tell the working dir of a process given a PID |
| 21:57.03 | FarrisG | ? |
| 21:57.05 | furrywolf | can't check, gimp is busy dithering. |
| 21:57.10 | rr72 | !slap PerfDave |
| 21:57.13 | sepen | anyone know how show only the sources installed with apt |
| 21:57.13 | PerfDave | FarrisG: lsof? |
| 21:57.14 | furrywolf | I think I'm going to need to hack zjs support into gimp-print. |
| 21:57.16 | PeTeRB | carsten: I think that still utilizes a bootloader :/ |
| 21:57.20 | michal_ | E: Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (40 Too many levels of symbolic links) |
| 21:57.27 | michal_ | there is only 1 level.. is that still too many? |
| 21:57.30 | DoktorTomoe | Nope, there is absolutly no reference to one of my testmails |
| 21:57.30 | sepen | anyone know how show only the sources installed with apt? |
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| 21:57.32 | tarzeau | sepen: that makes no sense |
| 21:57.32 | PerfDave | rr72: Well fuck you. I've done my best to help you, and you've just ignored me and insulted me. *plonk* |
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| 21:57.39 | FieldySnuts | @lart rr72 |
| 21:57.44 | Debianes | i'm getting the update, if it doesn' t work i'll try de apt-get -f |
| 21:57.44 | tarzeau | dpkg repeat sepen |
| 21:57.45 | paulswm | !prize PerfDave |
| 21:57.45 | zol1 | FarrisG: could be done by grepping lsof for pid |
| 21:57.55 | rr72 | g4u |
| 21:57.56 | shingouz | sepen: what do you mean? |
| 21:57.59 | paulswm | @annoy rr72 |
| 21:58.00 | ravenbird | rr72: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 21:58.02 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 21:58.03 | tarzeau | PerfDave: he did the same on me, yesterday |
| 21:58.16 | furrywolf | every page I can find with google says ghostscript's dithering is beyond worthless for this... which definitely agrees what what I'm finding right now. |
| 21:58.22 | sepen | tarzeau: apt-cache show is only for show .deb |
| 21:58.22 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: irritate rr72 |
| 21:58.23 | dpkg | rr72: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh quake3 !!!! |
| 21:58.23 | carsten | rr72: sorry - i never saw or heard from a linux whithout bootloader. |
| 21:58.25 | IceD^ | hmmm - ok - somebidy running postfix with ldap auth? |
| 21:58.31 | tarzeau | sepen: so? |
| 21:58.45 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: dammit that's the one I meant, 'irritate' :/ |
| 21:58.45 | sepen | tarzeau: can i view the complete list app installed |
| 21:58.51 | tarzeau | sepen: dpkg -l ? |
| 21:58.58 | tarzeau | sepen: apt-cache pkgnames ? |
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| 21:59.03 | sepen | tarzeau: thanks im going to. |
| 21:59.11 | tarzeau | sepen: going to what? |
| 21:59.12 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: !blame is funny too, picks out a random nick and blames the person you selected on them |
| 21:59.35 | benjamindees | old kernels included a minimal loader, new ones don't |
| 21:59.47 | FieldySnuts | very very very old kernels |
| 21:59.54 | DoktorTomoe | zol1: I've looked in mailinfo ... there is no reference ... what could this mean? |
| 22:00.00 | sepen | tarzeau: i want to list all the .deb that i installed |
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| 22:00.02 | rr72 | !kill tarzeau |
| 22:00.02 | bbrazil | there was also some windows prog to bootstrap into linux |
| 22:00.03 | benjamindees | FieldySnuts, even 2.4 |
| 22:00.04 | js_ | how do i find the "names" of keys like ~ and §, so i can remap them using xmodmap? |
| 22:00.07 | Debianes | shingouz, no way... neither apt-get -f |
| 22:00.07 | tarzeau | sepen: yes that's dpkg -l |
| 22:00.11 | zol1 | DoktorTomoe: that the mail didn't come in |
| 22:00.13 | tarzeau | rr72: fuck off |
| 22:00.18 | paulswm | You can't load an OS without a boot loader |
| 22:00.21 | shingouz | Debianes: apt-get install -f |
| 22:00.27 | PerfDave | Bah, lsof is a bit shit. "-d cwd" and "-p $PID" are mutually exclusive |
| 22:00.27 | tarzeau | js_: xev |
| 22:00.37 | sepen | tarzeau: dpkg -I¿? |
| 22:00.41 | tarzeau | sepen: no -l |
| 22:00.46 | Debianes | yeah, i tried apt-get install -f kopete bur received the same error message |
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| 22:00.48 | rr72 | its called a rescue disk |
| 22:00.50 | sepen | tarzeau: ah! |
| 22:00.50 | PerfDave | That makes FarrisG's problem hard. |
| 22:00.53 | sussudio | zol1: glad you fucked off then |
| 22:01.01 | jethro | rr72: the rescue disk has a bootloader |
| 22:01.05 | sussudio | zol1: now leave the channel and everything will be great. |
| 22:01.13 | rr72 | jethro~ i did not know that |
| 22:01.15 | sepen | tarzeau: thanks a lot |
| 22:01.20 | tarzeau | sussudio: can do you some badger magic? |
| 22:01.22 | zol1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.26 | jethro | rr72: now you do :p |
| 22:01.31 | sepen | tarzeau: man dpkg too ... |
| 22:01.34 | sussudio | !troll zol1 |
| 22:01.47 | rr72 | !pebcak |
| 22:01.47 | dpkg | well, pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 22:01.50 | jethro | heh |
| 22:01.54 | FieldySnuts | !sunday |
| 22:01.54 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 22:01.54 | tarzeau | sepen: why me? i know how it works. you man it |
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| 22:02.01 | rr72 | jethro~ i hate lilo |
| 22:02.04 | FieldySnuts | hyrm that wasn't it... permanentsunday or something |
| 22:02.14 | paulswm | !permasunday |
| 22:02.14 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 22:02.17 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 22:02.18 | rr72 | and don't want to go to grub |
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| 22:02.27 | Debianes | shingouz, shall i update to stable? |
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| 22:02.40 | rr72 | !permfriday |
| 22:02.40 | shingouz | Debianes: you are in sarge now, you cannot go to woody |
| 22:02.41 | FieldySnuts | !rube goldberg install rr72 |
| 22:02.43 | jethro | rr72: you don't have a lot of options, at least that I know of |
| 22:02.50 | FieldySnuts | hm. |
| 22:02.53 | rr72 | lmao |
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| 22:03.05 | tarzeau | jethro: not on PC, right |
| 22:03.15 | paulswm | rr72: if you hate lilo and don't want to go to grub, then you can always just go and install Windows and forget about Linux. |
| 22:03.15 | rr72 | jethro~ i dual boot with windows tho |
| 22:03.17 | PeTeRB | rr72: You can always make your own bootloader... |
| 22:03.18 | shingouz | Debianes: maybe the package really *is* broken, i havent had time to check on the buglist :) |
| 22:03.26 | jethro | tarzeau: I was assuming a PC being used :p |
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| 22:03.33 | [sr] | hi debians:P |
| 22:03.38 | tarzeau | !debians |
| 22:03.47 | rr72 | !kill tarzeau |
| 22:03.50 | Debianes | shingouz, i think the error is in my pc... if i try gaim i get the same error message |
| 22:03.53 | tarzeau | rr72: can you just fuck off? |
| 22:04.10 | shingouz | Debianes: hmm... |
| 22:04.13 | rr72 | lmao |
| 22:04.19 | rr72 | !rotflmao |
| 22:04.20 | Debianes | shingouz, and i bet this is going to happen whatever pack i try |
| 22:04.21 | [sr] | does the new ATI express pci, the xfree suports it? |
| 22:04.27 | tarzeau | [sr]: no |
| 22:04.31 | [sr] | if anyone has one |
| 22:04.38 | [sr] | damn |
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| 22:04.44 | tarzeau | [sr]: wait, maybe |
| 22:04.50 | tarzeau | [sr]: what driver? |
| 22:04.53 | [sr] | make your choice :P |
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| 22:05.02 | [sr] | i only tryied the "ati" so far |
| 22:05.05 | carsten | rr72: why are you against bootloaders ? is it disk-space ? or boot-speed ? |
| 22:05.05 | tarzeau | [sr]: i don't have a express pci one |
| 22:05.06 | shingouz | Debianes: i have to tell that i am a bit out of my depth at this time. if you tell the channel what you are trying to install and the error message i guess some of the real gurus here know the answer |
| 22:05.08 | tarzeau | [sr]: try "vesa" |
| 22:05.15 | tarzeau | [sr]: or the binary driver |
| 22:05.17 | FieldySnuts | carsten: he's trolling. you have to have a boot loader. |
| 22:05.21 | Debianes | shingouz: apt-get install worked fine until i gor emacs20... maybe? |
| 22:05.24 | rr72 | carsten~ i don't want to mess with my other hardrive |
| 22:05.25 | [sr] | binary driver = ? |
| 22:05.29 | [sr] | tarzeau binary driver = ? |
| 22:05.33 | FieldySnuts | ~fuck ati |
| 22:05.36 | shingouz | Debianes: no idea, i do not use emacs at all |
| 22:05.39 | tarzeau | [sr]: no idea, i just use vesa |
| 22:05.39 | benjamindees | caravena, the 512 bytes of space lost :( |
| 22:05.43 | rr72 | !fuck ati |
| 22:05.46 | tarzeau | [sr]: i kinda dislike non-free shit |
| 22:05.52 | tarzeau | rr72: SHUT THE FUCK UP |
| 22:05.56 | carsten | rr72: ok - good reason |
| 22:06.02 | FieldySnuts | oh just @ops him already |
| 22:06.05 | tarzeau | rr72: nobody gives a shit if you want to fuck your harddrive or not |
| 22:06.12 | furrywolf | scaling the image to 600dpi and using gimp to dither it to cmykrgbw results in substantially beteer dithering than ghostscript's. which is pathetic and sad. |
| 22:06.13 | rr72 | !tell tarzeau about capslock |
| 22:06.15 | jethro | either a troll, or someone not very clued |
| 22:06.19 | [sr] | tarzeau binary driver, a comercial one u mean? |
| 22:06.24 | paulswm | He is certainly simultaneously annoying and stupid. |
| 22:06.25 | Debianes | well shingouz, thank u very much... i'll try it latter now i´m going for a break |
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| 22:06.31 | tarzeau | [sr]: no, just without any source code, www.ati.com |
| 22:06.38 | shingouz | Debianes: i have been thinking about a smoke too |
| 22:06.39 | [sr] | oh i see |
| 22:06.42 | [sr] | thanks then |
| 22:06.44 | Debianes | ;-) |
| 22:06.47 | [sr] | i'll try i t tomorow |
| 22:06.54 | [sr] | i'm nor near the machine now |
| 22:06.54 | [sr] | :p |
| 22:06.59 | [sr] | nnor=not |
| 22:07.06 | rr72 | tarzeau~ ill leave u and dpkg alone |
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| 22:07.20 | carsten | rr72: how do you boot your linux ? |
| 22:07.38 | rr72 | a rescue disk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:07.39 | jethro | carsten: using a bootloader, on a rescue disk .. |
| 22:07.45 | tarzeau | carsten: usually people use GRUB (or lilo) |
| 22:07.45 | benjamindees | rr72, so put the bootloader on the partition, and sbm on the mbr |
| 22:07.46 | rr72 | been through this |
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| 22:07.49 | PeTeRB | With a stick. |
| 22:07.50 | luulis | [sr]: theres debian packages for those which you should use if you are to use them at all, some factoid had url for those if someone could remember what it was.. |
| 22:07.56 | rr72 | i have one |
| 22:08.01 | rr72 | its lilo but doesnt work |
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| 22:08.12 | DoktorTomoe | zol1: If I send an email to the hostname of my server, it does not appear in the logfiles. If I use the IP address, it is forwarded to the account... |
| 22:08.27 | paulswm | !qotd51 |
| 22:08.27 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
| 22:08.32 | [sr] | luulis i see.. |
| 22:08.32 | PerfDave | [sr]: /msg dpkg ati |
| 22:08.38 | jethro | paulswm: you seem to like this one :) |
| 22:08.39 | shingouz | rr72: define "doesnt work" |
| 22:08.43 | DoktorTomoe | zol1: Does this look like an DNS-MX problem? |
| 22:08.46 | jethro | !doesn't work |
| 22:08.46 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 22:08.53 | paulswm | jethro: Indeed, it saves some typing :) |
| 22:08.54 | rr72 | fuck |
| 22:08.58 | rr72 | here we go again |
| 22:08.59 | benjamindees | rr72, you can add linux to the windows bootloader... |
| 22:08.59 | FieldySnuts | rr72 is a troll, okay folks? you are wasting your time |
| 22:09.01 | rr72 | not this again |
| 22:09.10 | rr72 | benjamindees~ i have that |
| 22:09.19 | rr72 | benjamindees~ i get lilo error |
| 22:09.20 | jethro | FieldySnuts: I wouldn't call him a troll, but he certainly lacks communication skills |
| 22:09.20 | shingouz | i think youre right FieldySnuts |
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| 22:09.28 | jasoncohen | i added a samba printer and i was able to add it on windows but it can't print. word & firefox simply die when trying to print. I setup the path as /dev/usb/lp0 on the samba server. is this correct? |
| 22:09.34 | jethro | FieldySnuts: and basic knowledge too |
| 22:09.41 | FieldySnuts | I'm a troll, i know when i see one :D |
| 22:09.42 | jasoncohen | and the printer is showing up as //192.168.0.4/EpsonStylusC86 |
| 22:09.45 | jethro | :) |
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| 22:10.34 | shizz | okay, im running kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 and i have no sound. I have audigy card and need some assistance with the configuration |
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| 22:11.26 | cureless | shizz: install and configure alsa |
| 22:11.48 | shizz | how do i do that? |
| 22:12.17 | shizz | apt-get install alsa? |
| 22:12.43 | cureless | shizz: apt-get install alsa-utils alsa-base |
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| 22:13.08 | cureless | shizz: then run alsaconf |
| 22:13.15 | ecobit | what happened to dh_make? |
| 22:13.21 | shizz | cureless, thank you. |
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| 22:13.33 | jetscreamer | dvd writers don't have one of those buffers like a cd writer? |
| 22:13.35 | jetscreamer | looking at k3b |
| 22:13.37 | cureless | shizz: don't thank me until it works |
| 22:13.45 | shizz | k |
| 22:14.07 | ecobit | ah, dh-make |
| 22:14.26 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Normall ythey do, also about 2Mb. |
| 22:14.27 | cureless | ecobit: what happend to it? |
| 22:14.37 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Takes 'em 0.2 seconds to emty that to the disc, though. |
| 22:15.32 | jetscreamer | it just says 'no info' with this new 1st-time-i-ever-owned-a dvd writer in that buffer area |
| 22:15.35 | shizz | cureless, any sound tests i can run? |
| 22:15.49 | ecobit | cureless, i got confused. package name and command are different |
| 22:15.51 | jetscreamer | under k3b |
| 22:15.54 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Odd. What brand/model? |
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| 22:16.07 | cureless | shizz: play something. enalbe sounds in your window manager or just cat random stuff to /dev/dsp (you need to load the oss compat module) |
| 22:16.10 | cafuego | jetscreamer: (incidentally, k3b hangs my machine when writing DVDs) |
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| 22:16.29 | cureless | jetscreamer: but not mine. |
| 22:16.52 | PeTeRB | shizz: speaker-test |
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| 22:16.57 | jetscreamer | memorex dvd+/-dlrwl16 d2-15 just came home with it from frys |
| 22:17.13 | jetscreamer | it's only a 2x dvdrw media though |
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| 22:17.18 | cureless | jetscreamer: it should work fine. |
| 22:17.18 | ethics | benjamindees, hey are you cluey on grub and multibooting? i have a 2k partition i want to boot but im getting partition type unknown...other than that i think grub set itself up right |
| 22:17.21 | cafuego | jetscreamer: that doesn't matter |
| 22:17.27 | jetscreamer | it does seem to be working |
| 22:17.29 | thayboiMu | hey people is there a tool likc xkill in mandrake? |
| 22:17.37 | thayboiMu | like* |
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| 22:17.44 | simonrvn | ask #mandrake |
| 22:17.45 | jetscreamer | just the no info thing in the buffer part of k3b |
| 22:17.48 | PerfDave | thayboiMu: How should we know what tools are in mandrake? |
| 22:17.50 | thayboiMu | i use debian |
| 22:17.55 | cureless | thayboiMu: mandrake has no xkill? |
| 22:17.55 | thayboiMu | :) |
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| 22:18.05 | thayboiMu | it has xkill |
| 22:18.16 | cureless | thayboiMu: so what's your question? |
| 22:18.23 | thayboiMu | i have 3 xchat windows 's running and one is crashing |
| 22:18.27 | thayboiMu | i want to kill it |
| 22:18.42 | cureless | thayboiMu: so xkill it. |
| 22:18.47 | thayboiMu | how |
| 22:18.52 | Ronin | why run multiple times thayboiMu, doesnt xchat support multiple servers? |
| 22:18.58 | cureless | thayboiMu: xkill, click |
| 22:19.00 | thayboiMu | oh |
| 22:19.01 | thayboiMu | lol |
| 22:19.03 | thayboiMu | dang |
| 22:19.06 | thayboiMu | there is x kill |
| 22:19.09 | thayboiMu | cool :D |
| 22:19.11 | jetscreamer | hey i went in windows and tried to start up xchat, and it said my trial version had expired, i must register... so i installed cygwin and will compile it |
| 22:19.11 | thayboiMu | thanks |
| 22:19.28 | cureless | thayboiMu: but yes, why do you have multiple instances? |
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| 22:19.40 | jetscreamer | must want multiple nicks |
| 22:19.45 | thayboiMu | yeah |
| 22:19.48 | thayboiMu | :D |
| 22:19.54 | cureless | you can do that with just one instance |
| 22:19.56 | Ronin | ahh cloning on the same network then |
| 22:20.12 | cureless | open new server tab, connect to same server, use other nick. |
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| 22:20.24 | jetscreamer | that'd work |
| 22:20.39 | thayboiMu | ohhh |
| 22:20.54 | cureless | that said, cloning is bad. |
| 22:21.04 | thayboiMu | thanks all! :) |
| 22:21.04 | jetscreamer | damn spy |
| 22:21.14 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 22:21.18 | thayboiMu | :p |
| 22:21.41 | simonrvn | ,.|.. ;p |
| 22:21.47 | jetscreamer | no thankee |
| 22:22.16 | jetscreamer | you're nowhere near cute enough to make me wanna 'experiment' |
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| 22:22.35 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:22.48 | cureless | PeTeRB: an xchat bot? |
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| 22:25.39 | d03boy | what program do I use to extract an exe? |
| 22:25.39 | ecobit | i want to make a package of a bunch of binaries. how can i tell the package system that all the files will go into /my/dir ? |
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| 22:25.58 | liable | d03boy: windows |
| 22:26.02 | furrywolf | d03boy: depending on the exe, unzip and/or windows |
| 22:26.07 | d03boy | ty |
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| 22:26.15 | c4y0 | hi |
| 22:26.26 | shizz | cureless, it works, i hear fuzz. |
| 22:26.44 | crashbg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.45 | cureless | shizz: cool. |
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| 22:26.50 | ecobit | currently the "source" is just a .tgz that extracts into CWD |
| 22:27.10 | crashbg | i've enabled x forwading but i want to start a movie locally on the pc's monitor |
| 22:27.12 | jasoncohen | ah, i got it. I added the printer as http://192.168.0.4:631/printers/Stylus-C84 and it worked |
| 22:27.26 | crashbg | not on my pc |
| 22:27.28 | c4y0 | how can know why the sarge installer with kernel 2.6 have problems with some netgear switches? |
| 22:27.36 | crashbg | something like DISPLAY=0.0 |
| 22:27.39 | crashbg | mplayer ... |
| 22:27.47 | crashbg | but doesn't work |
| 22:27.52 | c4y0 | i install with 2.4 kernel and dont have problems!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 22:27.55 | ecobit | c4y0, are you installing sarge on the switch? |
| 22:28.01 | c4y0 | nop |
| 22:28.04 | underline | wazzup dudes... |
| 22:28.12 | c4y0 | im installing in my proxy server |
| 22:28.47 | BabbaYagga | I'm having a problem with OpenNTPD. It is not changeing the local time after it calculates the time skew. In syslog i'm seeing the error "adjtime failed: Invalid argument" I'm not really sure where to go with this sine there are not many configuation options with the daemon. Anyone had a similar exp? |
| 22:28.51 | c4y0 | in three diferents networks i see that |
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| 22:29.11 | simonrvn | please use a real ntpd other than openntpd |
| 22:29.17 | silverton | okay, do network interface "received/sent" data reset after hitting a certain amount ? |
| 22:29.32 | BabbaYagga | simonrvn: Is openntpd a bad choice? |
| 22:29.53 | c4y0 | just cant connect to the network if i install with 2.6. but 2.4 work fine! thats success puntually with netgear switches |
| 22:30.02 | simonrvn | it is if you want to participate in the ntp pool. otherwise just make sure it doesn't poll too often |
| 22:30.14 | underline | c4y0 wich is the network card??? =p |
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| 22:30.27 | c4y0 | dlink |
| 22:30.28 | c4y0 | intel |
| 22:30.29 | c4y0 | via |
| 22:30.31 | c4y0 | davicom |
| 22:30.55 | underline | c4y0 i see... could send me lspci?? in pvt please |
| 22:31.03 | MobyTurbo | !tell c4y0 -about enter |
| 22:31.27 | shingouz | c4y0: paste it the output of lspci in #flood so that others can see it too |
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| 22:31.55 | ecobit | i know that normally i would edit the flags to ./configure in debian/rules to customize the install dirs of a package, but i currently have a 'package' that is not built with make. where can i specify where to unpack it? |
| 22:32.09 | c4y0 | wait |
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| 22:34.16 | c4y0 | duh! i cant connect to the machine! |
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| 22:34.24 | c4y0 | i dont have there! |
| 22:34.30 | silverton | c4y0, sounds like a personal problem |
| 22:34.33 | shingouz | where? |
| 22:35.05 | c4y0 | more or less! my work is install proxy servers with debian |
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| 22:35.19 | shingouz | c4y0: ssh in |
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| 22:36.05 | c4y0 | shingouz the machine is down. |
| 22:36.17 | skel_home | anyone have a good resource for sys admin salary reports? |
| 22:36.28 | shingouz | c4y0: i guess you have to boot it then |
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| 22:40.03 | c4y0 | moment |
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| 22:43.37 | ecobit | skel_home, salary.com |
| 22:44.06 | ecobit | skel_home, and many of the big job sites like monster can have salary survey sections |
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| 22:44.59 | Pupeno | What's the Ubuntu/Debian way to install Products on a Zope2.7 instance ? |
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| 22:46.01 | shingouz | Pupeno: which one are you running? |
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| 22:47.10 | Pupeno | shingouz: I'm running Kubuntu hoary, I've installed zope2.7 and various products (all from packages). |
| 22:47.33 | Guerin | Pupeno: so why aren't you telling #ubuntu? |
| 22:47.37 | shingouz | Pupeno: has it occurred to you that you are in the wrong place now? |
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| 22:48.12 | Sensebend | Pupeno, this is #debian |
| 22:48.17 | Pupeno | Guerin, shingouz: because Kubuntu/Ubuntu is based on Debian and the Zope2.7 packages are probably exactly the same and nobody on Ubuntu has a clue. |
| 22:48.27 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 22:48.27 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 22:48.34 | Pupeno | s/on Ubuntu/on #ubuntu/ |
| 22:48.35 | shingouz | !based on debian |
| 22:48.35 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 22:48.48 | shingouz | !ubuntusmite Pupeno |
| 22:48.50 | Guerin | Pupeno: i know at least one person on #ubuntu who has a clue about zope |
| 22:48.59 | Pupeno | Guerin: lucky you! |
| 22:49.12 | Sensebend | Pupeno this is offtopic |
| 22:49.16 | Pupeno | Why is everyone so... well, nevermind. |
| 22:49.23 | Guerin | Pupeno: my point is that if you keep asking, someone will give you a hand eventually. |
| 22:49.24 | Pupeno | What's the Debian way to install Products on a Zope2.7 instance ? |
| 22:49.25 | Sensebend | you'll be lucky if you get an answer here |
| 22:49.46 | Pupeno | Sensebend: yes, this channel was very useless for me in the past, but I'll give it a try anyway. |
| 22:49.55 | liable | !not supporting ubuntu |
| 22:49.56 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support ubuntu too. Try #ubuntu or donating money to charity. |
| 22:50.04 | PerfDave | Pupeno: The Debian way is to use Debian, not Ubuntu :) |
| 22:50.21 | Sensebend | Pupeno if I could help you I would, but it's really rude to expect support in the wrong channel |
| 22:50.22 | Pupeno | PerfDave: ok. |
| 22:50.40 | Pupeno | PerfDave: I'm asking how to do it on Debian. |
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| 22:50.42 | Shuddertrix | Pretend he didn't say he's using Ubuntu. Pretend he's using a most up to date sarge. Can't we all get along? |
| 22:50.55 | shingouz | no |
| 22:51.01 | seldon | Heh. Distro Wars III: Revenge of the spin-offs. |
| 22:51.04 | Pupeno | Shuddertrix: thank you, it's nice to see nice people here. |
| 22:51.05 | Shuddertrix | I figured ;) |
| 22:51.11 | PerfDave | Shuddertrix: This is a channel for Debain support, not Ubuntu support. |
| 22:51.16 | PerfDave | Argh. Debian. |
| 22:51.18 | Shuddertrix | Me? Nice? Impossible. |
| 22:51.22 | MobyTurbo | Shuddertrix: we have done that with people using other distros, only to find out an hour later that their problem is due to the other distro's brokeness. |
| 22:51.22 | Guerin | no, because we have no way of knowing what's different between his distro and ours. |
| 22:51.23 | Shuddertrix | Pupeno, use debian or get out. |
| 22:51.46 | MobyTurbo | Shuddertrix: when they finally admit that it wasn't Debian |
| 22:51.56 | Xenguy | Shuddertrix: a fair request ;-) |
| 22:52.00 | Guerin | Delph: ph33r |
| 22:52.00 | Shuddertrix | Ok, yeah, I typed too much ;) |
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| 22:52.15 | Shuddertrix | Err, too fast. |
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| 22:52.51 | Pupeno | I can believe people here is so stupid. You give Debian a bad name, furthermore, I'm making a lot of .deb packages that will end up on Debian, that is, I'm contributing, probably much more than everyone here, and still you came with you distro war, that's really, really stupid. |
| 22:53.19 | Xenguy | Pupeno: it's not supposed to be personal; it's just a channel policy |
| 22:53.37 | shingouz | yes it is. we have also noticed that helping people with non-debian distros is usually fruitless as they do not function like debian |
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| 22:53.41 | MobyTurbo | Pupeno: if you want to go to a channel that supports all distros, go to ##linux or #linuxhelp. This is the #debian channel, we support Debian. |
| 22:53.45 | Ronin | Pupeno: if you run ubuntu go ask there, we dont go to a mandrake channel and ask about redhat why do you do what you just did |
| 22:53.49 | cureless | darn it, I turn to another window for a few minutes and things happen, what did I miss? |
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| 22:54.02 | shingouz | cureless: trollfest |
| 22:54.02 | MobyTurbo | cureless: use /lastlog |
| 22:54.10 | PerfDave | Pupeno: Go ask #redhat for Ubuntu support. Go ask #gentoo. Why the fuck should you expect a non-Ubuntu channel to support Ubuntu? |
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| 22:54.15 | Guerin | Pupeno: it's NOT a distro war. What do you suggest, that we support OSen that we've never even used? That we support all the crazy unofficial spinoffs of debian? |
| 22:54.16 | skel_home | ecobit: ty |
| 22:54.19 | furrywolf | do people not get it? ubuntu DOES THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN DEBIAN. |
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| 22:54.59 | PerfDave | Go ask Canonical for Ubuntu support :) |
| 22:55.58 | cafuego | furrywolf: yeah, but ubuntu isn't knoppix! |
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| 22:56.03 | Pupeno | Xenguy: but I asked how to do it on Debian, and everyone still hates me because I use another distro, so, it is the policy "screw you if you run 200 Debians but one ubuntu ? |
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| 22:56.22 | cafuego | Pupeno: pretty much, yes. |
| 22:56.33 | Xenguy | Pupeno: sorry, I came into this thread late I guess |
| 22:56.41 | PerfDave | Pupeno: But you don't want to know how to do it on Debian, you want to know how to do it on Ubuntu |
| 22:56.42 | Guerin | cafuego: because everyone knows you don't run ubuntu :) |
| 22:56.45 | Pupeno | MobyTurbo: ok, I asked a Debian question: "What's the Debian way to install a product to a product to a Zope instance". |
| 22:56.46 | cureless | Pupeno: ask a debian question, I'll try to help you. |
| 22:56.50 | Sensebend | I run Ubuntu, I just don't come into here for Ubuntu support |
| 22:56.51 | liable | Pupeno: we dont hate you, just hate supporting other distos when it turns into a clusterfuck |
| 22:56.51 | cafuego | Guerin: HA! |
| 22:56.54 | Delph | Pupeno: it's not a matter of hate; it's a matter of it being a pointless waste of everyones time. |
| 22:56.55 | cafuego | OpenBSD gibson.mel.cc.com.au 3.7 GENERIC#50 i386 |
| 22:56.56 | Sensebend | this isn't #ubuntu |
| 22:57.01 | PerfDave | Pupeno: If you wanted to know how to run it on Debian, you'd've asked how to run it on Debian. |
| 22:57.07 | cafuego | fuck linux with a shovel! ;-) |
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| 22:57.24 | PerfDave | Pupeno: You're just making shit up now in the hope of getting support for your poorly-supported non-Debian distro. |
| 22:57.26 | scar_ | how can I access user home dirs with apache? the welcome page says it's enabled and files will be looked in public_html within user dirs... but how to access them? |
| 22:57.27 | MobyTurbo | Pupeno: /lastlog yourself and you'll see you said "Ubuntu/Debian" |
| 22:57.36 | Pupeno | Delph: everyone is wasting time in fighting me, most people here that is fighting me doesn't even know what Zope is anyway. |
| 22:57.39 | PerfDave | scar_: http://my.server/~user/ |
| 22:57.53 | cafuego | Pupeno: #ubuntui is *full* of helpful people. |
| 22:57.59 | [2D2D]Boneless | Monitor is a porn spammer |
| 22:58.01 | Delph | Pupeno: i'm entirely aware of what zope is, and equally, i'm not going to say anything *because* of the reason that it's probably done differently. |
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| 22:58.09 | cureless | Pupeno: so you want to install zope applications? |
| 22:58.26 | Pupeno | PerfDave: no, I'm asking how to do it on Debian, period. |
| 22:58.32 | Delph | see; i'd be tempted to just apt-get them, but that's just me, randomly guessing. |
| 22:58.43 | PerfDave | Pupeno: Yeah, but you don't want to know how to do it on Debian, you want to know how to do it on Ubuntu :) |
| 22:58.43 | Pupeno | cureless: I want to know what is the Debian way to install a product into a zope instance. |
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| 22:58.44 | shingouz | [2D2D]Boneless: didnt see any spam? |
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| 22:58.50 | Delph | who knows. maybe the help files have hints. |
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| 22:58.54 | PerfDave | [2D2D]Boneless: /msg dpkg ops |
| 22:58.55 | Pupeno | Delph: that answer comes from someone that doesn't know what a zope instance is. |
| 22:58.59 | cureless | Pupeno: a packaged product? |
| 22:59.00 | [2D2D]Boneless | shingouz: was sent in private |
| 22:59.05 | RichiH | [2D2D]Boneless: didn't spam me |
| 22:59.11 | Pupeno | PerfDave: error, I want to know how to do it on Debian, period. |
| 22:59.13 | shingouz | [2D2D]Boneless: no spam here |
| 22:59.16 | PerfDave | Pupeno: You lie. |
| 22:59.23 | scar_ | PerfDave, thx! |
| 22:59.28 | Pupeno | cureless: yes (if it's not packaged, I'll make one). |
| 22:59.31 | Pupeno | PerfDave: I do not lie. |
| 22:59.34 | FieldySnuts | !bite Phated |
| 22:59.34 | Gromgull | Does anyone have any experience with installing new fonts? I've been trying for hours now, and my truetype fonts remain invisible. |
| 22:59.40 | FieldySnuts | not like that! |
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| 22:59.44 | PerfDave | Pupeno: Well, I don't believe you :) |
| 22:59.52 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 22:59.54 | cureless | Pupeno: what product are you installing? |
| 23:00.05 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 23:00.15 | Pupeno | cureless: any, but let's take Plone for example (which is compelx enough). |
| 23:00.23 | bucky | apt-get install plone |
| 23:00.33 | TJH|busy | who has some experience installing an ircd service? |
| 23:00.36 | bucky | fuggedaboutit |
| 23:00.39 | Ronin | damn bucky thats complex :) |
| 23:00.43 | cureless | Pupeno: in that case apt-get install plone |
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| 23:01.10 | Pupeno | bucky: I've done that, I asked how to install it to a zope instance, do you know what a zope instance is ? |
| 23:01.10 | [2D2D]Boneless | I'm trying to monitor cpu temperature and other things on my Abit IS7-G. I read about lm_sensors, is this needed to be installed seperately, or is there a Debian package for it? Any with experince with these things? |
| 23:01.10 | Pupeno | cureless: I've done that, I asked how to install it to a zope instance, do you know what a zope instance is ? |
| 23:01.11 | Delph | Pupeno: hey, maybe you're asking the wrong channel then =:) |
| 23:01.12 | Guerin | Pupeno: wait for bob2 to come alive on #ubuntu |
| 23:01.15 | MobyTurbo | !poll |
| 23:01.15 | dpkg | You wanna poll me? You can't handle polling me! |
| 23:01.29 | PerfDave | Pupeno: If #ubuntu can't help you with your Ubuntu problem, try asking #plone or #zope or something. |
| 23:01.30 | Delph | try the zope people, they might end up with the debian packager among them. |
| 23:01.39 | Guerin | Pupeno: he was messing with zope the other day, he may be able to help you in some way other than saying RTFM n00b |
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| 23:02.15 | Pupeno | Delph, PerfDave: zope/plone peole are anti distro/install everything from source/every package management sucks, they won't be helpfull for this kind of problem. |
| 23:02.20 | Delph | it's some crazy web application faffness. |
| 23:02.25 | Delph | Pupeno: well, someone must have packaged it. |
| 23:02.27 | FieldySnuts | not our problem |
| 23:02.29 | Pupeno | Guerin: thanks. |
| 23:02.32 | cureless | Pupeno: so you have plone installed, what does /usr/share/doc/plone say? |
| 23:02.35 | TJH|busy | mmh.. anyone has an idea why I can't /samode on an ircd-hybrid installation ? |
| 23:03.04 | shingouz | cureless: bad idea yo know.. ubuntu does things differently |
| 23:03.05 | PerfDave | Pupeno: I guess you'd better install from source then :) |
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| 23:03.27 | cureless | shingouz: I know, lemme continue, see where we get. |
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| 23:03.55 | shingouz | cureless: to heck? |
| 23:03.56 | Pupeno | PerfDave: I won't discuss with you why I choose packages instead of sources, thank you. |
| 23:04.18 | Sensebend | well if sources exist, just build them into your own .deb |
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| 23:04.23 | cureless | shingouz: I was more thinking of nowhere, but heck might be a destination too. |
| 23:04.24 | Pupeno | Well, that's it for now, yet again #debian shows itself to be the worst irc channel on freenode, good luck! |
| 23:04.47 | Sensebend | that would be the debian way wouldn't it |
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| 23:04.48 | PerfDave | Pupeno: I don't give a fuck what you do, since you're not running Debian :) |
| 23:04.52 | cureless | hey, don't look at me, I was trying to help the guy. |
| 23:04.52 | PerfDave | Oh dear, Pupeno's gone off in a huff and taken his ball with him. |
| 23:04.59 | PerfDave | I bet we don't get invited to his birthday party :) |
| 23:05.06 | Sensebend | lol PerfDave |
| 23:05.18 | Ronin | damn i wanted to be on his christmas card list too |
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| 23:05.25 | shingouz | i just hope he finds his marbles... |
| 23:05.27 | cafuego | oops, i tripped over the power cord |
| 23:05.44 | Sensebend | maybe his glasses, so he can see #debian isn't #ubuntu :) |
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| 23:06.08 | Delph | well, the packages just seem to dump stuff into the tree. |
| 23:06.10 | Delph | strange people. |
| 23:06.53 | TJH|busy | Nobody has experience in installing an ircd server on a Debian box? |
| 23:07.06 | shingouz | TJH|busy: apt-get install foo |
| 23:07.12 | MobyTurbo | !nobody |
| 23:07.12 | dpkg | from memory, nobody is there, or perfect |
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| 23:08.47 | TJH|busy | shingouz: no.. installed ircd-hybrid... installation isn't the problematic part ;-) it's the configuration - I cant "/samode" as an ircop... always says samode Unknown command... ?! |
| 23:08.48 | Delph | TJH|busy: apt-get install it; then edit the configuration files like normal. |
| 23:08.49 | FieldySnuts | TJH|busy: if you ask a much more specific question, people might be able to answer |
| 23:08.58 | Delph | TJH|busy: /quote samode |
| 23:09.09 | FieldySnuts | ask whoever makes it then (irc channels, mailing lists etc), unlikely to find such specific help here |
| 23:09.10 | Delph | your irc client may be braindead and the command may be being rejected by the client. |
| 23:09.53 | shingouz | TJH|busy: check the O-lines you have, oper up and read the documentation on the commands |
| 23:09.59 | TJH|busy | Delph: mmh... don't think so.. works on other servers... |
| 23:10.14 | shingouz | TJH|busy: running hybrid? |
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| 23:10.25 | TJH|busy | shingouz: yes |
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| 23:10.48 | cureless | TJH|busy: why don't you ask one of the network channels. freenode operators might know more than us. |
| 23:11.01 | shingouz | TJH|busy: check the ircd config file for your O-line |
| 23:11.08 | K_Dallas | somebody please help me :) I cannot find where in gnome i can change screensaver atributes, i have done it before but i am getting frustrated as it is not whereever i look for, thanks |
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| 23:11.31 | shingouz | K_Dallas: xscreensaver? |
| 23:11.46 | MobyTurbo | K_Dallas: xscreensaver-demo |
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| 23:12.02 | K_Dallas | shingouz, it should be in the menu but they have put it a wierd location that i cannot find. so i try your suggestion :) thanks |
| 23:12.52 | K_Dallas | the demo one was what i was looking for, thanks guys, shingouz , MobyTurbo |
| 23:13.08 | K_Dallas | i needed to remove lockout for screensaver |
| 23:13.19 | shingouz | heh |
| 23:13.26 | netstat | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.16 | K_Dallas | i still believe linux desktop should do more work to bemoce more user firendly if it seeks out on windows users. i am actually going backwards, going to command line but still ;) |
| 23:14.31 | FieldySnuts | windows users can stay on windows, thanks. |
| 23:14.57 | K_Dallas | well that is a very personal opinion which i respect but that is not the global opinion |
| 23:15.07 | FieldySnuts | you'd be surprised. have fun |
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| 23:15.26 | mtnman | there is no such thing as a "global opinion" |
| 23:15.40 | pippo00 | ciao a tutti |
| 23:15.46 | FieldySnuts | english please |
| 23:15.47 | Ronin | K_Dallas: its getting there just not sure if thats a good thing or not yet |
| 23:15.52 | useruser | !italian |
| 23:15.52 | dpkg | from memory, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 23:16.00 | pippo00 | hi everybody |
| 23:16.04 | FieldySnuts | hi :) |
| 23:16.08 | mtnman | benvenuto |
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| 23:16.28 | K_Dallas | Ronin, i agree with you, the thing is i can install ion3 and enjoy it and still some could install kde and love it, both should be pleasant |
| 23:16.37 | Delph | K_Dallas: seeking out windows users is not a valid use of our time. It does what we want it to do, and if it also does the same for other people, that is good. Yet there is no requirement to make it 'more' or 'less' user-friendly to windows users. They're happy with what they have. |
| 23:16.58 | FieldySnuts | heh, trollfest inbound |
| 23:16.58 | Delph | happy in the sense that it's the best they can get for a specific task. |
| 23:16.59 | useruser | Delph: well, some of them are |
| 23:17.19 | useruser | Delph: happy in the sense "ignorance is bliss" |
| 23:17.23 | FieldySnuts | at least in the open source world, users can give feedback or even code contributions to make changes |
| 23:17.25 | Ronin | FieldySnuts: dont think so, least not as obvious as some others we've seen here :) |
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| 23:17.59 | chealer | Delph: "our time"? AFAIK there's no such thing as "our time" |
| 23:17.59 | K_Dallas | i am not here to start a discussion on the windows-linux question, i merely stated the fact that gnome or kde are not at user firendly as windows, now what is wrong with that! |
| 23:17.59 | pippo00 | could find here someone who tell me something about suzuki 650 bandit...how is? |
| 23:18.01 | Delph | indeedily. |
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| 23:18.15 | K_Dallas | chealer, ;) |
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| 23:18.16 | FieldySnuts | K_Dallas: people here are inflamed easily, that's all. |
| 23:18.18 | Ronin | K_Dallas: those two are the most user/windows like |
| 23:18.21 | Guerin | pippo00: it doesn't run debian, does it? |
| 23:18.36 | FieldySnuts | i run linux becuase it is NOTHING like w*ndows, thank you very much |
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| 23:18.41 | Guerin | K_Dallas: it's bullshit, is what's wrong with it. |
| 23:18.41 | Pumpkin_Pie | hi |
| 23:18.41 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 23:18.43 | pippo00 | ronin???? |
| 23:18.45 | K_Dallas | Ronin, exactly yet even the default font selection is not easy on eye! |
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| 23:18.54 | Ronin | pippo00: yes? |
| 23:18.58 | Ronin | K_Dallas: it was for me |
| 23:19.06 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 23:19.08 | shingouz | pippo00: just install a turbo on it ;) |
| 23:19.18 | Pumpkin_Pie | TURBO BIZNATCH |
| 23:19.20 | FieldySnuts | :) |
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| 23:19.32 | pippo00 | maybe it's better start buying it :) |
| 23:19.34 | FieldySnuts | Pumpkin_Pie: #rap ? |
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| 23:19.52 | Guerin | K_Dallas: understand that user-experience is subjective, and relies largely on what's gone before. People who've grown up with windows will NEVER like something as much at first blush. unfamiliarity is disconcerint. |
| 23:19.59 | K_Dallas | absolutely |
| 23:20.04 | Ronin | suzuki 650 bandit? as in a motor bike? |
| 23:20.06 | Pumpkin_Pie | theres no need to define anything or talk |
| 23:20.09 | pippo00 | yes |
| 23:20.10 | PerfDave | Guerin: Unless they're so damn sick of Windows that anything is better ;) |
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| 23:20.20 | pippo00 | yes ronin |
| 23:20.22 | Ronin | pippo00: now why would you ask that here in a linux channel? |
| 23:20.22 | Guerin | PerfDave: which is a special case. |
| 23:20.22 | Sensebend | I use the right tool for the job |
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| 23:20.33 | pippo00 | i want i want i want... :( |
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| 23:20.45 | Sensebend | that involves serveral distros of GNU/Linux, FreeBSD and Windows XP for me |
| 23:20.47 | shingouz | pippo00: you buy you buy you buy ;) |
| 23:20.50 | FieldySnuts | i want to use the right tool however I care much more about open source and licensing and ethics/morals/business practices of whoever i'm using |
| 23:20.58 | Sensebend | others may have different needs |
| 23:20.59 | FieldySnuts | which is why I do not use MS for anything of my own, period |
| 23:21.04 | pippo00 | sorry ronin...but i am confused.. :D |
| 23:21.28 | FieldySnuts | my feet smell funny brb |
| 23:21.29 | K_Dallas | Guerin, i used windows most of my time, then some 8 years ago i had to work on workstations, all sort of them, and that is how i got into unix, i waited till linux installation was nothing harder than windows and now i am on linux, except when i need to run applications that i do not have counterparts on linux |
| 23:21.33 | FieldySnuts | !tmi |
| 23:21.33 | dpkg | from memory, tmi is too much information, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island |
| 23:21.34 | Ronin | pippo00: does the motor bike run on debian? |
| 23:21.58 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: you're being trolled, rather cleverly |
| 23:22.03 | pippo00 | maybe ronin...someone with dos |
| 23:22.07 | K_Dallas | Sensebend, that is the main point, an OS is jsut a tool |
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| 23:22.24 | Ronin | FieldySnuts: still not positive but hey ive been wrong before today |
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| 23:22.40 | FieldySnuts | Ronin: if i wanted lip off you I'd remove it from your zipper |
| 23:23.00 | Ronin | ha, hear better then that daily |
| 23:23.02 | paulswm | o.O |
| 23:23.02 | c01100011 | I was wondering if x.org will be available in sid repoistorys immediatley after sarge's release ? |
| 23:23.04 | pippo00 | sorry ronin...thank for your attention...i stop disturbing u...ciao ciao ciao!!! |
| 23:23.32 | shingouz | c01100011: probably not immediately but pretty soon |
| 23:23.37 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a badger war |
| 23:23.37 | dpkg | mushrooms are worse than badgers |
| 23:23.48 | c01100011 | shingouz- ohh like 2 three months , : ) just kidding ! |
| 23:23.52 | Phated | ... Worst war ever. |
| 23:23.54 | bztunk | Snakes! |
| 23:24.05 | FieldySnuts | with a snake |
| 23:24.18 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 23:24.34 | shingouz | c01100011: bah :p |
| 23:24.40 | Phated | Oh dear... will bitchx now have a badgerslap? |
| 23:24.44 | FieldySnuts | .. |
| 23:25.23 | Phated | FieldySnuts: I'm off, deary, haveaniceday. |
| 23:25.27 | FieldySnuts | bye! |
| 23:25.40 | paulswm | Alligators > badgers. |
| 23:26.04 | FieldySnuts | salt water or fresh water? I don't know that!! argh! (flung off bridge of death) |
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| 23:26.23 | paulswm | Fresh water, about 100 ft from my back door. |
| 23:26.43 | Ronin | paulswm: im guessing thats a bad thing? floodwaters? |
| 23:26.44 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: afaik there are no saltwater gators |
| 23:26.52 | FieldySnuts | oh i'm thinking crocs, my bad |
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| 23:27.21 | shingouz | saltwater crocs do exist |
| 23:27.32 | jaggi | How can I get a list of all uninstalled packages so I can grep through them? |
| 23:27.33 | Guerin | i thought saltwater gators did too |
| 23:27.43 | paulswm | Ronin: No, I'm in central Florida, my property borders on conservation land and a large pond containing 6 to 12 gators |
| 23:27.43 | Guerin | jaggi: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |
| 23:27.47 | pattieja | anybody worked with shorewall 2.2.3-1 before and have it drop all packets no matter what I try? |
| 23:27.58 | ethics | shingouz, Crikey, no saltwater crocks....have a look at this little fellah...hes "beuwdiful"! |
| 23:27.58 | jaggi | thanks.. |
| 23:28.06 | FieldySnuts | !lart ethics |
| 23:28.07 | jaggi | oooh, aptitude accepts regexes in its searches! |
| 23:28.24 | shingouz | ethics: saltwater crocs do exist but saltwater gators do not |
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| 23:29.14 | jaggi | are you sure -l lists UNinstalled packages? |
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| 23:29.21 | paulswm | They are a pain in the ass during mating season, lots of unattached males with testosterone up to the eyeballs wnadering around looking for single females |
| 23:29.24 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:29.31 | Alleria | Is obtaining GigE support in woody a matter of running a sufficiently new 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 23:29.38 | ethics | shingouz, hmm i wonder just how closely aligators and crocs are related and if aligator and croc could be interchangable a few steps back in the wvolutionary cycle |
| 23:29.40 | simonrvn | dpkg -l specified without a package name lists everything |
| 23:29.41 | dpkg | ii specified without a package name lists everything 3.4-2.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 23:29.56 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 23:29.58 | PerfDave | Alleria: I wouldn't've thought you'd've needed a particularly new kernel for that. |
| 23:29.59 | Alleria | Or are there other drivers or things that I also need to be aware of compatibility issues with? |
| 23:30.00 | Guerin | jaggi: oh, my bad. |
| 23:30.05 | simonrvn | dpkg: yeh yeh whatever |
| 23:30.13 | shingouz | ethics: #florida-gators and ask who is the coach ;) |
| 23:30.18 | PerfDave | Alleria: Check the gige card in question for its linux support. |
| 23:30.20 | FieldySnuts | !breastfeed ravenbird |
| 23:30.47 | simonrvn | @breastfeed dpkg |
| 23:30.49 | Alleria | PerfDave: well, I'm checking into driver support for a given kernel version. |
| 23:31.17 | Alleria | e.g. I'm running 2.4.16-K7. |
| 23:31.19 | ethics | paulswm, alidiles to aisle 2 |
| 23:31.30 | paulswm | Ah well, I'm off, you all have a safe night or day depending on your tz |
| 23:31.34 | paulswm | ethics: Heh. |
| 23:31.35 | Alleria | I would suspect that the newer chipsets may not be supported on a kernel version that old. |
| 23:32.09 | PerfDave | Alleria: Depends on the chipset! 2.4.16 isn't *that* old, though it's a weird kernel to be running. Which version of Debian do you have installed? |
| 23:32.24 | FieldySnuts | 2.6 has far better gige support |
| 23:32.24 | Alleria | PerfDave: sarge. It's a standard sarge kernel package. |
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| 23:32.58 | PerfDave | Alleria: Is it? I can only see 2.4.27 in Sarge |
| 23:33.04 | Alleria | PerfDave: woody. |
| 23:33.10 | Alleria | sorry. |
| 23:33.28 | PerfDave | Alleria: Well, you probably want to be running 2.4.18 anyway, for starters. |
| 23:33.35 | PerfDave | Alleria: But Woody has some gig-E support. |
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| 23:33.51 | jaggi | Guerin, but aptitude handles regex's! |
| 23:34.01 | Guerin | jaggi: aptitude search . |awk '{print $1 $2}' |
| 23:34.05 | MobyTurbo | Alleria: Woody doesn't have 2.4.16 either. Are you sure you're running Debian? |
| 23:34.15 | Guerin | jaggi: yeah, the above shows all packages and their status, installed or not |
| 23:34.30 | Alleria | MobyTurbo: Kernel-Image-2.4.16-k7 is a woody package. comes standard. |
| 23:34.47 | PerfDave | !info kernel-image-2.4.16-k7 woody |
| 23:34.48 | Alleria | The trouble is, generally people are referred to just the standard Linux hardware support page. |
| 23:34.55 | dragonfly | can someone help me, i am trying to install debian onto and external harddrive. It was going good. I used the expert26 option and on reboot i get pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 23:34.56 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4.16-k7: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4.16 on AMD K7), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.16-1 (woody), Packaged size: 8459 kB, Installed size: 22976 kB |
| 23:35.03 | MobyTurbo | hmm, sorr, my bad |
| 23:35.09 | MobyTurbo | sorry* |
| 23:35.12 | pipeline | dragonfly: Sounds like a bad initrd image :( |
| 23:35.17 | PerfDave | Anyway, I'm off to bed. |
| 23:35.20 | Alleria | Which is well and good, except that it's hard to figure out what a specific kernel will support. |
| 23:35.22 | gall | What i must added to to my system to use imaghe kernel ? |
| 23:35.34 | Alleria | I'm trying hard not to rock the boat on a woody system. ;-) |
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| 23:35.43 | Guerin | gall: what version of debian? |
| 23:35.50 | dragonfly | ok, how do i test your theory/fix the problem pipeline |
| 23:35.52 | gall | Guerin: woody |
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| 23:36.08 | Guerin | !tell gall about real kernel |
| 23:36.13 | Lafitte- | what file do i edit to correct my screen resolution ? something went south on setup |
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| 23:36.30 | blueshoe | anyone know of any decent voice activated recorder apps? |
| 23:36.35 | pipeline | dragonfly: Well, "no such file," coming from pivot_root almost certainly means that your initrd doesn't have the right device nodes or is missing drivers. |
| 23:36.41 | shingouz | gall: didnt i tell you to install a newer kernel hours ago? |
| 23:37.08 | dragonfly | ok... |
| 23:37.09 | gall | shingouz: Yes but i had kernel panic and i don't know why |
| 23:37.11 | pipeline | dragonfly: The easiest fix is to fool around with mkinitrd.conf (not easy), a simpler fix would be to build your own kernel with no initrd (hard) |
| 23:37.28 | gall | I made apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-586tsc |
| 23:37.32 | Guerin | gall: most likely because you didn't follow the instructions you were given to rerun lilo, etc. |
| 23:37.45 | shingouz | gall: how about making a note of the error that caused the panic and tell us about it |
| 23:37.48 | pipeline | dragonfly: Short: There's no easy fix and this is going to suck. Read the mkinitrd.conf man page, try including more drivers on your initrd. To generate a new initrd, reinstall the kernel package (--reinstall) |
| 23:37.57 | gall | Guerin: But i don't understad this what i must do in lilo.conf |
| 23:38.03 | dragonfly | i've done kernel configs before.... |
| 23:38.08 | b-_-d | gall what patch set is tsc |
| 23:38.11 | Guerin | gall: why not? |
| 23:38.23 | Guerin | b-_-d: it's for pentiums |
| 23:38.24 | b-_-d | i have never herd if that patch set |
| 23:38.31 | b-_-d | url? |
| 23:38.39 | Guerin | it's not a patchset, it's a subarch |
| 23:38.42 | Guerin | !tsc |
| 23:38.42 | dpkg | well, tsc is Timestamp Counter, an instruction on newer x86 processors, which gives a fairly accurate timestamp. |
| 23:38.47 | dragonfly | if i were to reconfigure and recompile the kernel would that maybe do some good? |
| 23:39.00 | gall | Guerin: I add an 'initrd=/initrd.img' to the image=/vmlinuz |
| 23:39.00 | gall | stanza of your /etc/lilo.conf |
| 23:39.24 | Guerin | aiui it's for pentium-class machines with a tsc, but which aren't 686 |
| 23:39.25 | b-_-d | cool |
| 23:39.36 | Guerin | gall: then rerun lilo |
| 23:40.16 | b-_-d | i wish im system clock did not have so much drift |
| 23:40.18 | Lafitte- | anyone help with how to resetup my screen resoltion ? |
| 23:40.27 | Lafitte- | i dont know what file to edit |
| 23:40.30 | Guerin | b-_-d: apt-get install ntp-simple |
| 23:40.31 | shingouz | Lafitte-: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 23:40.47 | PerfDave | !drxx Lafitte- |
| 23:40.47 | gall | Guerin: Change image=/vmlinuz to initrd=/initrd.img |
| 23:40.47 | b-_-d | Guerin i have ntpd |
| 23:40.47 | dpkg | Lafitte-: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 23:41.00 | b-_-d | just wish i did not need it |
| 23:41.08 | dragonfly | else, if i reinstall the OS is there a particular option that you know of that I should make sure to select? |
| 23:41.16 | FieldySnuts | few actually need to run ntpd itself |
| 23:41.19 | c01100011 | how can i set /usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5" to run at boot, so i don't have to do it manually after every reboot to get my mouse to fully work ? |
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| 23:41.54 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: no, few need to run it in "master mode" |
| 23:42.04 | FieldySnuts | very very few |
| 23:42.15 | b-_-d | my clock will be off by 5min or more in a mo. :( |
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| 23:42.26 | b-_-d | if i do not sync |
| 23:42.27 | zinx | c01100011: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 23:42.50 | zinx | c01100011: assuming you're using ~/.xsession, not ~/.xinitrc |
| 23:43.06 | zinx | c01100011: all the files in that dir are executed when X starts |
| 23:44.03 | gall | gelignite: This shoud look like this www.gall.xpam.de/debian3 ?? |
| 23:44.12 | c01100011 | zinx- thanks, i will try it out in there, yeah i use xsession, i remember atempting this once before to get my mouse wheel to work, |
| 23:44.21 | gall | Guerin: This shoud look like this www.gall.xpam.de/debian3 ?? |
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| 23:45.35 | simonrvn | "should" |
| 23:46.07 | Guerin | gall: looks ok to me. YOU MUST RUN /sbin/lilo NOW |
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| 23:47.21 | jaggi | okay, bye all :) |
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| 23:48.17 | ultraviolet16 | hello |
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| 23:48.38 | ultraviolet16 | can anyone help adding an unstable source to the sourcelist file? |
| 23:48.42 | nottu | can a CentaurHauls at 200mhz with 32mb of ram and 1.2 gb hdd do nat for 20-30 computers ? |
| 23:48.44 | PerfDave | ultraviolet16: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 23:48.55 | PerfDave | nottu: Easily |
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| 23:49.13 | ethics | hey what was before woody?...potato and anything before? |
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| 23:49.18 | cafuego | nottu: only if it has a network card |
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| 23:49.21 | pipeline | ethics: slink |
| 23:49.28 | furrywolf | ok, looks like what I want to do is hack an entry for my printer into gimp-print, that outputs a bitcmyk image, then run that image through foo2zjs in place of its expected foomatic/ghostscript input... now to figure out how the heck to do that. :) |
| 23:49.29 | pipeline | ethics: Before that, ham, but I never touched ham :P |
| 23:49.29 | Guerin | !tell ethics about releases |
| 23:49.30 | nottu | cafuego: 2 :) |
| 23:49.33 | cafuego | buzz |
| 23:49.55 | nottu | !tell nottu about releases |
| 23:50.01 | gall | Guerin: thx a lot |
| 23:50.06 | chealer | !tell nottu about msg the bot |
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| 23:50.55 | ultraviolet16 | i add unstable source to sourcelist for apt-get but when apt-get update, error... any ideas? |
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| 23:51.25 | chealer | ultraviolet16: any error? |
| 23:51.33 | chealer | with any text? |
| 23:51.42 | digibox | hello everyone. I have debian installed on my computer right now but I have a new HD that I want to put debian on. Is there a way for me to run an install on a slave HD and make it bootable after makeing it master after the install? |
| 23:52.02 | shingouz | !tell digibox about cp hd to hd |
| 23:52.04 | ultraviolet16 | im a new user.. Im not sure. Is there a channel for new users.. dont want to offend anyone with newb questions |
| 23:52.18 | pipeline | ultraviolet16: This is the channel for new users. |
| 23:52.22 | netstat | ls |
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| 23:52.27 | pipeline | ultraviolet16: You're going to have to be more specific about the error |
| 23:52.35 | shingouz | ultraviolet16: do not add sid to the package lists |
| 23:52.38 | ultraviolet16 | good, thanks. Well i wanted to install mozilla-firefox |
| 23:52.41 | pipeline | ultraviolet16: Also, why are you trying to use unstable? |
| 23:52.44 | Guerin | ultraviolet16: if you're a new user, why are you using unstable? |
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| 23:52.54 | ultraviolet16 | for firefox |
| 23:52.57 | digibox | No I dont want to copy my install I want to run a fresh install |
| 23:53.00 | Guerin | unstable is for developers, bughunters and experts. |
| 23:53.00 | shingouz | firefox is in sarge |
| 23:53.10 | pipeline | digibox: Why do you want to run a fresh install? |
| 23:53.10 | ultraviolet16 | I have woody |
| 23:53.12 | brosio | mm dma is disable on both dvd and dvdrecorder... anyone could help ? |
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| 23:53.20 | pipeline | ultraviolet16: You can't use unstable packages on woody. |
| 23:53.23 | Guerin | !tell ultraviolet16 about woody->sarge |
| 23:53.24 | shingouz | ultraviolet16: just move to sarge |
| 23:53.48 | Guerin | ultraviolet16: foollow those instructiosn precisely ... first, remove all the unstable lines from your sources.list. |
| 23:54.11 | digibox | because this install is so messed up and everything that I want a new install. not to mention I am not sure about if the person who installed debian on my system in the first place put a logger on my computer or something |
| 23:54.12 | ultraviolet16 | i reformatted the list. its default now |
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| 23:54.42 | ultraviolet16 | cant use unstable in woody at all? |
| 23:54.45 | ultraviolet16 | wow, ok |
| 23:54.48 | shingouz | digibox: in that case just nuke the original install and do a fresh install |
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| 23:55.09 | LinuxNIT | does anyone know of a program for debian that will recover deleted files off of a fat32 partition? |
| 23:55.20 | Guerin | ultraviolet16: nope. they're ~3 years apart, and mixing them will BREAK. |
| 23:55.37 | pipeline | ultraviolet16: Upgrading is perfectly safe, but mixing them is absolutely certain not to work. |
| 23:55.38 | Guerin | LinuxNIT: you might be able to use debugfs or mc's undeleter |
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| 23:55.51 | LinuxNIT | ok thanks |
| 23:55.55 | digibox | I want to do a fresh install. I am just asking on how to do it from a currently running install. Every instance I have tried DLing the sarge CD even the 30mb business card image there have been MD5 discrempencies |
| 23:56.00 | karamelos | I have installed xorg xserver. Somewhere I saw it supports menu shadows and transparency. How can I set up that? |
| 23:56.11 | ultraviolet16 | ok im reading instructions for apt-get install aptitude |
| 23:56.19 | ultraviolet16 | this is to upgrade to sarge? |
| 23:56.19 | shingouz | digibox: what have you used to download it? |
| 23:56.25 | bucky | karamelos, which version of debian are you using? |
| 23:56.26 | digibox | wget |
| 23:56.32 | Guerin | karamelos: ask some distro who uses xorg. |
| 23:56.33 | akusarujin | are there any decent CLI bandwidth monitors for a single machine? |
| 23:56.43 | shingouz | digibox: you could do a chroot install |
| 23:56.45 | furrywolf | "Upgrading is perfectly safe" heh, heh, sure.... |
| 23:56.45 | Guerin | bucky: irrelevant. xorg ain't in debian/ |
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| 23:56.55 | karamelos | bucky, I am using Sid |
| 23:56.57 | Guerin | ultraviolet16: yes. |
| 23:57.03 | digibox | I dont know what a chroot install is |
| 23:57.06 | bucky | hmm... |
| 23:57.12 | Guerin | digibox: ask dpkg about it |
| 23:57.12 | ultraviolet16 | ok i'll come back to channel after upgrade. thanks |
| 23:57.25 | shingouz | !tell digibox about dbeootstrap |
| 23:57.27 | ecobit | is there something like ical for linux? |
| 23:57.32 | shingouz | !tell digibox about debootstrap |
| 23:57.54 | bucky | !irrelevant |
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