| 00:00.14 | quittt | finally got it working |
| 00:00.23 | shingouz | never seen anything like that. havent run osx though |
| 00:00.24 | seldon | If you want to clean up your system, try debfoster |
| 00:00.33 | quittt | shingouz, thank you |
| 00:00.40 | shivraj | its the login program |
| 00:00.43 | shivraj | not mac osx |
| 00:00.44 | seldon | I don't know what the red is about, but I don't have any gnome stuff installed and it works like a charm. |
| 00:00.50 | shivraj | its not running the login program |
| 00:01.25 | gaoxing | 有没有人说中文 ，我的英文不是很好 |
| 00:01.28 | shingouz | shivraj: what login program? if you are trying to log onto a mac osx the login program is running on the osx |
| 00:01.44 | shivraj | login from a linux machine |
| 00:02.03 | seldon | What was that gaoxing guy about? |
| 00:02.03 | quittt | shingouz, sorry for anoying |
| 00:02.04 | shivraj | the osx machine doesnt have ssh |
| 00:02.09 | quittt | but last question is |
| 00:02.14 | quittt | how do I delete an user? |
| 00:02.17 | shingouz | shivraj: it does nt matter. the software you are trying to use (the login program) runs on the apple |
| 00:02.26 | shingouz | man deluser, quittt |
| 00:02.32 | shingouz | man userdel also |
| 00:02.46 | Glitch_Master | resiak: Regarding the earlier bit, that screensaver is a full-blown emulator? How does one use it outside of its screensaver parameters, if so? |
| 00:03.26 | tpr | seldon: red just shows the missing dependencies but i got rid of em hehe |
| 00:03.34 | shingouz | i hope he quittt for a few hours |
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| 00:04.41 | shivraj | shingouz: ifI do login localhost it gives me the same error |
| 00:05.02 | shivraj | what program do I use, when I'm making a non ssh connection ?? |
| 00:05.05 | shingouz | shivraj: what software you run as the 'login program'? |
| 00:05.37 | tpr | handy one this aptitude wonder why I never tried it before |
| 00:06.02 | shivraj | shingouz : what do you mean ? |
| 00:06.04 | dings | seldon: growisofs seems to do the trick |
| 00:06.09 | seldon | I kinda like synaptic. Though I usually call apt-get from the command line |
| 00:06.24 | tpr | Ive used apt-get always thus far |
| 00:06.37 | shingouz | shivraj: i mean are you using ssh, telnet or what to connect to the remote host? |
| 00:06.39 | tpr | but for some things aptitude seems very nice, now if i could only figure out what actually starts the installation process ;> |
| 00:06.46 | seldon | dings: Sure does. Although I usually use a gui for that sort of stuff. Calling it directly is way too much trouble for me... |
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| 00:07.06 | shivraj | shingouz : I dont know |
| 00:07.15 | zOap__ | bucky, There isn't many g cards which is compatible... do you know if the Asus WL-100G is compatible... the wl-100 is , but couldnt find any about g... |
| 00:07.32 | shingouz | shivraj: so how do you try to login to the computer then? i cannot help unless i know what you are trying to do |
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| 00:07.59 | abrotman | shingouz: i can't delete gnome!!!!!!!!! |
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| 00:08.11 | shingouz | @lart abrotman |
| 00:08.15 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:08.30 | shivraj | shingouz : press the power switch on |
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| 00:08.36 | abrotman | zOap__: mostly at madwifi.sf.net or prism54.org |
| 00:08.47 | shivraj | :-) |
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| 00:08.54 | zOap__ | abrotman thnx |
| 00:09.04 | shingouz | shivraj: press the power on which box? the apple? the debian? the waht? |
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| 00:09.10 | bucky | zOap__, that's a broadcom card.. don't you have an ethernet card? |
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| 00:09.23 | jerome | hello there |
| 00:09.34 | shivraj | the apple |
| 00:09.49 | shivraj | I am trying to connect to the mac osx mahcine thats it, how do you do that ? |
| 00:09.53 | shingouz | shivraj: so what does that have to do with debian |
| 00:09.55 | shivraj | from the debian machine |
| 00:09.59 | abrotman | hrm .. where would i like to live .... |
| 00:10.03 | shingouz | with what? |
| 00:10.04 | shivraj | login isn't working |
| 00:10.09 | shivraj | what program can I use ? |
| 00:10.11 | shingouz | ssh? telnet? rsh? |
| 00:10.26 | shivraj | I dont know what protocol this apple machine is running |
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| 00:10.41 | Azar | I see some guys editing their /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base with some stuff like this: dma1=1 dma2=0 fm_port=0x388 irq=5 isapnp=0 midi_port=0x330 port=0x538 sb_port=0x220 wss_port=0x530 I have no idea what it is.... someone can help me? |
| 00:10.43 | jerome | what's the big difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap ? I want to install debian for my mini-itx from another computer using a classical "chroot install", any advice considering the alternatives ? |
| 00:11.14 | Azar | I have zero idea about the sound register codes |
| 00:11.29 | shingouz | shivraj: lemme try this one more time before i slap you on ignore. what...software...are..you...using...to..connect...to..the..apple? |
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| 00:12.00 | shivraj | the login program /bin/login |
| 00:12.00 | Azar | apple is the sin fruit |
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| 00:12.36 | shingouz | shivraj: so you actually type login and think that is going to magically connect you to the apple? |
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| 00:13.05 | shivraj | well there is a login program |
| 00:13.12 | shivraj | I thought thats what I used it for before |
| 00:13.24 | shingouz | you do really not have a clue, do you |
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| 00:13.40 | shingouz | login is for local logins on the linux box |
| 00:13.44 | herbi__ | exit |
| 00:13.48 | shivraj | oh ok |
| 00:13.53 | concept10 | has anyone used the insightconnector or server? |
| 00:14.42 | shingouz | you figure out what the damn apple uses for remote logins and connect to that with the appropriate client. ssh is probably the one even the osx runs. man ssh shivraj |
| 00:14.46 | shivraj | and what do I use to connect to the apple machine ? |
| 00:14.46 | muaddib | In mplayer is when your playing a dvd how can you get the entire picture to go full screen for som reason when I go full screen it only goes 1024x768 but my monitor is 1600x1200 |
| 00:14.55 | shingouz | shivraj: man ssh |
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| 00:15.19 | resiak | Glitch_Master: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/apple2 -program $shellofyourchoice. |
| 00:15.45 | Glitch_Master | Oooh! :D |
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| 00:16.19 | gall | I add line to my /etc/apt/apt.conf line to make my system unstable but when i wont to add source apt-setup from www he add but stable |
| 00:16.23 | gall | What can i do ? |
| 00:16.25 | rob_lt | Anybody here doing any wxpython/wxglade work with Sarge? I can't seem to find the appropriate packages to install. |
| 00:16.51 | shingouz | gall: what are you trying to do? upgrade from sarge to sid? |
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| 00:16.58 | Techdeck | anyone knows why grub-install hd0,1 will try and look for /boot on hd0,0? |
| 00:17.04 | Techdeck | only on the first time, the second time it just works |
| 00:17.05 | gall | shingouz: I had woddy :> |
| 00:17.26 | tpr | how do i make this aptitude do the things ive chosen? i cant just quit with 'q' can i |
| 00:17.29 | shingouz | gall: that is nice. what are you trying to do now. go from woody to sid? |
| 00:17.40 | gall | shingouz: Yes |
| 00:18.11 | resiak | Glitch_Master: More to the point, stick -fast in there too. |
| 00:18.14 | tpr | oh nm |
| 00:18.27 | shingouz | gall: if you do not even know how to do a dist-upgrade on your own, do not even dream of moving into sid. you will break your system very fast that way |
| 00:18.48 | Techdeck | anyone? |
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| 00:18.58 | gall | shingouz: To sarge will be better ? |
| 00:18.59 | shingouz | Techdeck: relax |
| 00:19.05 | shingouz | gall: yes |
| 00:19.14 | gall | shingouz: How do this ? |
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| 00:19.28 | gnodez | Glitch_Master: See, even irssi can be run fairly effectively in it. |
| 00:19.31 | shingouz | gall: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 00:19.33 | Techdeck | shingouz, I can't man, I googled for this problem like 1000 times, I joined #grub, #linux, and no one knows :( |
| 00:20.30 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.44 | shingouz | the point here is that i am not getting paid to sit here and i am not in school anymore so the anyone is a bit annoying |
| 00:21.10 | Techdeck | shingouz, you are obviously not that helpful either. |
| 00:21.19 | Glitch_Master | I'm currently playing with nano in it. |
| 00:21.24 | gall | "aptitude update" >> apt-get update ? |
| 00:21.26 | shingouz | Techdeck: nope, i am short of caffeine and i had a shitty day |
| 00:21.29 | Techdeck | I would'nt pay for such service anyway :P |
| 00:21.33 | shingouz | gall: i think so |
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| 00:21.36 | nickv111 | Hello |
| 00:21.38 | furrywolf | how do you make imagemagick not suck? :P |
| 00:21.41 | gall | shingouz: ok thx |
| 00:21.45 | Techdeck | furrywolf, lol |
| 00:21.54 | shingouz | gall: read the manuals before you do anything |
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| 00:22.08 | gall | shingouz: But whre is manual :> |
| 00:22.16 | Glitch_Master | How do I make shortcut commands, for example, "apple2" reading as "/blah/apple2 -fast -program" ? |
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| 00:22.20 | shingouz | gall: man aptitude |
| 00:22.24 | Glitch_Master | command aliases, rather. |
| 00:22.24 | furrywolf | it ran out of physical ram at 1.9gb or so, and went into swap as fast as my disk could write it... |
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| 00:22.44 | Azar | shingouz, I see that /proc/asound/cards lists --- no soundcards --- what can I do about this? |
| 00:22.59 | shingouz | Azar: does the sound still work? |
| 00:23.07 | Azar | shingouz, nope |
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| 00:23.08 | gall | shingouz: Ohh this ok thx :> |
| 00:23.11 | shivraj | I have an imac and a debian machine on the same switch, I tried connecting to the imac with ssh but it says its unreachable |
| 00:23.16 | shivraj | I can ping the imac though |
| 00:23.24 | shivraj | and I can connect to localhost on the imac using ssh |
| 00:23.27 | shingouz | Azar: i think i'd better hide under the couch then :( |
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| 00:23.50 | Azar | shingouz I am trying to pinpoint the error I get at bootup alsaclt restore: no sound cards.. |
| 00:24.16 | shingouz | Azar: so lsmod shows no sound. hm. |
| 00:24.22 | Azar | :) shingouz you and others have a angelic patience with me |
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| 00:24.37 | shingouz | Azar: i also go through a shitload of smokes |
| 00:24.55 | Azar | okie I will try enter the sound card ...oh I smoke too |
| 00:25.22 | karamelos | I am compiling a 2.6.12 kernel for low latency performance; should I enable "default linux capabilities", "realtime capabilities" or just load the realtime-lsm module? |
| 00:25.31 | abrotman | karamelos: #kernel |
| 00:25.39 | shingouz | Azar: lets go have one now before we kill something |
| 00:25.46 | Glitch_Master | 'lo? Bash command aliases? |
| 00:25.47 | Azar | hmm I wonder how to enter the soundcard name in /proc/asound/cards.. via82xx or the full name shown in lspci |
| 00:25.56 | Azar | ok smoke time |
| 00:26.08 | abrotman | Glitch_Master: #bash |
| 00:26.17 | Glitch_Master | Oh. |
| 00:26.50 | sepen_ | how can i format a FAT16 partition under debian |
| 00:27.00 | sepen_ | are there any app |
| 00:27.00 | sepen_ | ? |
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| 00:27.04 | Glitch_Master | A assume Bash is the same thing as a console and terminal... |
| 00:27.11 | abrotman | sepen_: mkfs.vfat maybe ? |
| 00:27.17 | abrotman | does it have to be fat16 ? |
| 00:27.23 | sepen_ | is for my pendrive |
| 00:27.30 | resiak | sepen_: What's wrong with fat32 for it? |
| 00:27.32 | jerome | fat32 isn't supported ? |
| 00:27.35 | abrotman | use vfat .. windows won't mind |
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| 00:27.38 | sepen_ | im going to put into my pen a distro |
| 00:27.50 | jerome | ho |
| 00:27.52 | resiak | sepen_: So wait, why are you formatting it with fat? |
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| 00:27.59 | abrotman | sepen_: which distro ? |
| 00:28.05 | sepen_ | because catux-usb he need |
| 00:28.16 | sepen_ | catux-usb.org |
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| 00:29.11 | sepen_ | its a debian distro with X (fluxbox-dillo-elinks...) |
| 00:29.15 | sepen_ | and more |
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| 00:30.54 | resiak | !debian based |
| 00:30.54 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
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| 00:31.09 | herbi | hey guys |
| 00:31.20 | herbi | i cant seem to get debian-installer to detect my hard drive :( |
| 00:31.22 | herbi | sata |
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| 00:31.30 | herbi | latest version of debian-installer |
| 00:31.32 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 00:31.39 | herbi | !d-i |
| 00:31.39 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 00:32.09 | herbi | can anyone give me a hand with it? |
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| 00:34.20 | herbi | anyone? |
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| 00:35.03 | zinx | herbi: what type of hard drive? |
| 00:35.09 | resiak | !tell spdf -about away |
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| 00:36.59 | herbi | zinx: sata |
| 00:37.24 | zinx | herbi: try typing linux26 at the boot prompt.. i think 2.6 is the default, but what the hell, it can't hurt |
| 00:37.25 | herbi | zinx: ive been trawling google and people have successfully installed on the same model as my computer (stupid dell) with 2.4.27 debian installer :( |
| 00:37.37 | herbi | ok ill try |
| 00:37.52 | zinx | herbi: i'm not sure which kernels the current debian-installer comes with |
| 00:37.57 | resiak | zinx: It's definitely not the default. |
| 00:38.01 | zinx | herbi: try 'em all, though ;) |
| 00:38.09 | Azar | I hope that the new Sarge installer comes with ALSA fixed, oh man.. |
| 00:38.15 | herbi | aww crap |
| 00:38.23 | herbi | zinx: see its really weird |
| 00:38.29 | herbi | now it wont detect my cdrom drive :( |
| 00:38.47 | herbi | same thing happened with ubuntu |
| 00:38.58 | Azar | herbi, sometimes the cdrom is listed as hdc |
| 00:39.03 | Azar | I have no idea why |
| 00:39.06 | madclicker | need help with routing: adsl ppp0:20.161.208.109 gw:207.136.64.11, wan eth0 21.161.209.192/255.255.255.192, lan eth1 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0. I need the WAN subnet to go out on ppp connection. |
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| 00:39.29 | zinx | herbi: o_O |
| 00:39.34 | herbi | fucking hell :( |
| 00:39.51 | yonkel-lappy | herbi: share with us |
| 00:39.51 | Azar | hey, hey, herbi thats the beauty of debian: challenge |
| 00:40.02 | herbi | zinx: ubuntu installer wont detect my cdrom drive, debian installer 2.6 wont detect my cdrom drive, and debian installer 2.4 wont detect my hard drive |
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| 00:40.10 | herbi | Azar: i been using debian since '99 |
| 00:40.16 | herbi | im quite familiar with the challenge |
| 00:40.25 | herbi | however im not familiar with sata |
| 00:40.30 | Azar | hmm I have no idea about unbutu |
| 00:40.34 | herbi | which im increasingly disliking |
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| 00:40.42 | resiak | herbi: There's talk that SATA stuffs are buggered on d-i |
| 00:41.01 | herbi | are there any ideas on how i can get the cdrom drive going? |
| 00:41.02 | FieldySnuts | sata stuff is generally too new, stick to ide for now |
| 00:41.12 | Azar | debian like women are more attractive when they look inaccessible |
| 00:41.15 | herbi | FieldySnuts: it isnt up to me. |
| 00:41.18 | zinx | herbi: evil |
| 00:41.21 | FieldySnuts | shrug. have fun not installing then. |
| 00:41.24 | herbi | these are computers ordered by the lab |
| 00:41.32 | herbi | so i have to install debian on them |
| 00:41.33 | zinx | herbi: compile your own kernel :/ |
| 00:41.34 | herbi | or ubuntu |
| 00:41.35 | FieldySnuts | nice research beforehand there |
| 00:41.45 | herbi | FieldySnuts: we dont get to decide on the computers |
| 00:41.56 | herbi | we ring up big IT and say we need new computers |
| 00:41.57 | FieldySnuts | doesn't change anything, have fun |
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| 00:42.00 | Azar | herby install Woody and then upgrade to Sarge, you have experience with that |
| 00:42.06 | madclicker | need help with routing: adsl ppp0:206.161.208.109 gw:207.136.64.11, wan eth0 210.161.209.192/255.255.255.192, lan eth1 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0. I need the WAN subnet to go out on ppp connection. |
| 00:42.13 | herbi | Azar: does woody do sata? |
| 00:42.14 | FieldySnuts | !tell madclicker about repeating |
| 00:42.23 | herbi | FieldySnuts: way to represent the debian commmunity eh |
| 00:42.27 | DerSchotte | herbi, did you set your SATA drives to "Compatibility mode" in BIOS ? |
| 00:42.39 | herbi | DerSchotte: no. let me give that a go. |
| 00:42.40 | Azar | herbi, no but use Woody as base then after upgrading to Sarge ... you get more hardware options |
| 00:42.42 | DerSchotte | So they look like normal drives |
| 00:43.04 | madclicker | i hope it's not the last one :) |
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| 00:43.28 | resiak | Azar: That's not a smart suggestion. There's no way in hell that Woody will speak to SATA |
| 00:43.39 | shingouz | herbi: get the box to boot on any linux kernel that is able to see the sata and do a chroot install with debootstrap? not exactly trivial but if you really have been using debian since 99 you should be able to hack it. /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 00:43.41 | herbi | DerSchotte: no such option :( |
| 00:43.45 | Azar | hmm taht is true true |
| 00:43.58 | DerSchotte | It might have a different name |
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| 00:44.04 | Azar | maybe then the Sarge installer will have that option |
| 00:44.06 | herbi | DerSchotte: the only options are on and off :/ |
| 00:44.21 | DerSchotte | May off is "Compatibility mode" :) |
| 00:44.24 | herbi | lol |
| 00:44.44 | Azar | sigh |
| 00:44.50 | madclicker | i hear there is a new installer. Does that mean a new kernel for sarge? |
| 00:44.53 | herbi | shingouz: elaborate. the problem is that when the kernel can see the sata drives, it cant see the cdrom |
| 00:45.04 | DerSchotte | What BIOS is it ? |
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| 00:45.34 | herbi | a dell one :/ |
| 00:45.36 | thayboiMu | anyone uses ipv6 here? |
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| 00:45.45 | thayboiMu | how do we do 6to4 |
| 00:45.56 | shingouz | herbi: get something that is bootable and can see both the sata and the cd, that is about the only thing i can say |
| 00:45.59 | shingouz | !polls |
| 00:45.59 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 00:46.00 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 00:46.01 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 00:46.04 | herbi | hmmm |
| 00:46.12 | thayboiMu | how do we do 6to4 |
| 00:46.15 | herbi | there appears to be a dell-debian-2.4.29 iso |
| 00:46.16 | thayboiMu | that's why question |
| 00:46.19 | thayboiMu | :) |
| 00:46.25 | thayboiMu | that's my question* |
| 00:46.32 | FieldySnuts | !irritate thayboiMu |
| 00:46.32 | dpkg | thayboiMu: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
| 00:46.32 | abrotman | herbi: CERC card ? |
| 00:46.35 | DerSchotte | herb: Is there something like "legacy ATA mode" |
| 00:46.37 | DerSchotte | ? |
| 00:46.38 | herbi | abrotman: sorry? |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | herbi: Dell CERC card in the machine ? |
| 00:46.48 | shingouz | herbi: get that one on an rw perhaps and try it out |
| 00:46.59 | thayboiMu | l:) |
| 00:47.12 | herbi | abrotman: everything is onboard afaik |
| 00:47.20 | madclicker | abrotman: are you good with routing tables? |
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| 00:47.39 | herbi | DerSchotte: i can set "SATA Operation" to RAID Autodetect/ATA instead of RAID Autodetect/AHCI? |
| 00:47.40 | abrotman | madclicker: your email is still broken ? |
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| 00:48.07 | DerSchotte | herbi: Oh oh -> "It's claimed that Dell Optiplex GX270 and Dell Precision Workstation 360 desktop units, using Intel ICH5 SATA chipsets, don't support switching to legacy ATA mode. This might be true of some others." |
| 00:48.17 | herbi | hmm |
| 00:48.21 | DerSchotte | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 00:48.25 | herbi | ill try this debian-dell iso |
| 00:48.25 | herbi | thanks |
| 00:48.28 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 00:48.29 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html , or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
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| 00:48.56 | madclicker | abrotman: nope, I fixed that, got a later version of ipopd-2001 and all is good, now I have an adsl + subnet routing problems. |
| 00:49.23 | herbi | i dont like sata one bit. |
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| 00:49.51 | abrotman | madclicker: explain more .. i left my mind-reading helmet in the car |
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| 00:50.07 | FieldySnuts | !vague |
| 00:50.07 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
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| 00:50.43 | madclicker | abrotman: adsl ppp0:209.161.208.109 gw:207.136.64.11, wan eth0 210.161.209.192/255.255.255.192, lan eth1 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0. I need the WAN subnet to go out on ppp connection. |
| 00:50.45 | shingouz | didnt we have a vaguesmite too |
| 00:50.50 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: No reading my mind between 1930 and 1800, that's scarynetworkguy time!! |
| 00:50.51 | FieldySnuts | i think so |
| 00:50.56 | N17R0 | wasup |
| 00:50.56 | Azar | herbi: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 00:50.59 | Azar | oh |
| 00:51.05 | Azar | ok it was posted :) |
| 00:51.11 | abrotman | madclicker: that's a router .. |
| 00:51.24 | streuner | shingouz: there serveral 'smites' ;-) /msg dpkg listkeys smite |
| 00:51.27 | Azar | need info on how to groom my /proc/asound files |
| 00:51.30 | N17R0 | im a 'real' linux n00b, but can someone give me some help with firefox wich is doing weird ? |
| 00:51.42 | madclicker | abrotman: yeap a linux box with three nics |
| 00:51.46 | streuner | !n00b |
| 00:51.46 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 00:51.50 | shingouz | streuner: and that makes poor dpkg crash, there has to be so many smites already |
| 00:51.55 | N17R0 | lol |
| 00:52.13 | N17R0 | ok where is the profile for firefox stored on debian ? |
| 00:52.17 | abrotman | madclicker: what about the LAN .. out ppp too ? |
| 00:52.19 | gall | shingouz: I change word stable to sarge and aptitude update show some errors with packages list |
| 00:52.23 | Azar | I have three years and six months learning Debian I am not done yet |
| 00:52.27 | Azar | actually |
| 00:52.31 | Azar | I just started |
| 00:52.40 | streuner | N17R0: ~/.mozilla ? |
| 00:52.41 | abrotman | Azar: slow poke |
| 00:52.46 | madclicker | abrotman: thats the only out I got |
| 00:52.47 | gall | Could somebody show me line with sarge server ? |
| 00:52.47 | shingouz | gall: how about the errors... |
| 00:52.49 | Azar | "Learn a programming language in 10 years" that is my device |
| 00:53.01 | N17R0 | hmm u mean in the root / ? |
| 00:53.02 | scarynetworkguy | gall: I like frogs. |
| 00:53.02 | gall | shingouz: Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 00:53.05 | Azar | yeah but after 10 years I will be a pro |
| 00:53.12 | N17R0 | i dont see .mozilla in my root |
| 00:53.16 | abrotman | madclicker: how do you have publicly routable addresses and no other link |
| 00:53.18 | madclicker | abrotman: its naating through WAN interface ot ppp0 iguess |
| 00:53.21 | gall | scarynetworkguy: Show me your line from source file :> |
| 00:53.25 | streuner | N17R0: if you starting firefox in root then yes... |
| 00:53.30 | streuner | s/in/as/ |
| 00:53.38 | scarynetworkguy | !confuse gall |
| 00:53.39 | dpkg | No, those are their pineapple today, gall? breeches of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra cheese |
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| 00:53.43 | Guerin | but why the fuck would you ever start firefox as root? |
| 00:53.44 | arjanoosting | N17R0: in your home directory |
| 00:53.44 | shingouz | gall: i do not use aptitude at all but with apt-get it would be 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 00:53.55 | DerSchotte | N17R0: $HOME/.mozilla/ |
| 00:54.00 | madclicker | abrotman: dunno, the isp asigned it to me |
| 00:54.12 | streuner | Guerin: bad habits? :-) |
| 00:54.14 | glick | excuse me is there a way i can get apt to get a single package from a certain repository without having to changed my apt.sources file? |
| 00:54.19 | abrotman | madclicker: uhm .. i don't think you want to do what you're trying to do :) |
| 00:54.25 | glick | like as an option to apt-get |
| 00:54.29 | madclicker | abrotman: i use to have a dsl bridge (socketed) connection no ppp0 |
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| 00:54.37 | shingouz | glick: d/l it separately and dpkg --install foo.deb |
| 00:54.41 | doleyb | glick: you can ftp to the repo directly, get the deb, and then dpkg -i |
| 00:54.44 | DerSchotte | glick: download it and the dpkg -i file.deb |
| 00:54.45 | abrotman | madclicker: your DialUp ISP gave you IPs ? |
| 00:54.46 | shivraj | Guerin: windows users do it all the time |
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| 00:55.01 | Guerin | shivraj: oh, and THAT makes it ok. |
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| 00:55.16 | madclicker | abrotman: yeap, they are assigned to me |
| 00:55.24 | streuner | Guerin: hehe :-) |
| 00:55.26 | shivraj | no, I'm making fun of windows |
| 00:55.33 | DerSchotte | Even then it would be in /root/.mozilla/ |
| 00:55.36 | abrotman | madclicker: but it's a 56k dialup line ? |
| 00:55.50 | madclicker | abrotman: 3Mbps ADSL pppoe |
| 00:56.00 | gall | shingouz: www.gall.xpam.de/debian |
| 00:56.13 | abrotman | madclicker: so there are three network cards ? |
| 00:56.41 | madclicker | abrotman: roger, eth0 WAN, eth1: LAN, eth2: ADSL |
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| 00:56.54 | DerSchotte | madclicker: try brctl from bridge-ulils |
| 00:57.00 | abrotman | madclicker: so you're going to have one box route for WAN and LAN ? |
| 00:57.08 | glick | i wanna run the bleeding edge xfce |
| 00:57.14 | abrotman | no you don't |
| 00:57.16 | shingouz | gall: dynamic mmap /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 00:57.21 | madclicker | abrotman: do i have a choice? |
| 00:57.21 | glick | is that difficult to set up from source? |
| 00:57.30 | abrotman | madclicker: two routers .. but it's up to you |
| 00:57.30 | glick | so that my login manager see it and such? |
| 00:57.47 | N17R0 | alright i have Kubuntu, and i downloaded the newest firefox .tar.gz and run the setup and then i choose to let it install to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox. But i can't run it via the KDE menu, only via console with ./firefox command. So i remove the folder mozilla-firefox to install it on the official way using kynaptic, but now i cant run it at all even with the ./firefox command it aint working. |
| 00:57.52 | madclicker | DerSchotte: bridge ppp0 and eth2? |
| 00:57.54 | caphuso | what OS? |
| 00:58.00 | shingouz | N17R0: #ubuntu or install debian |
| 00:58.00 | DerSchotte | abrotman: I have 1 box for DSL, WLAN and LAN, and a UML IPCop doing the routing and firewalling :) It WORKS on 1 box :D |
| 00:58.00 | caphuso | damnit |
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| 00:58.12 | abrotman | madclicker: you can do what you're asking .. but if the linux box is cracked .. they get your wan and lan |
| 00:58.21 | abrotman | DerSchotte: i'm not saying it doesn't work |
| 00:58.23 | madclicker | abrotman: thats what i have currentley, a freebsd box doing the subnet |
| 00:58.55 | N17R0 | :/ |
| 00:58.57 | DerSchotte | If you want to do that madclicker, get UML to do the routing and firewalling |
| 00:59.07 | madclicker | abrotman: it's a temp until the 10meg line gets in |
| 00:59.25 | gall | shingouz: dpkg is very good thing :> |
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| 00:59.28 | abrotman | madclicker: well ... does any of it work ? |
| 00:59.50 | shingouz | gall: yes it is. did you get it working already? |
| 01:00.04 | abrotman | madclicker: i'm pretty sure you have a lot of reading to do at netfilter.org |
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| 01:00.14 | gall | shingouz: yes :> |
| 01:00.18 | gall | shingouz: thx |
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| 01:00.35 | shingouz | gall: the first error is the one that makes the thing go bork |
| 01:00.41 | madclicker | abrotman: am "a deer in the headlights with BSD" and its not working proper, so i thought i could Jimmy rigit on a linux box |
| 01:00.42 | gall | shingouz: Also apt ant aptitude |
| 01:01.04 | abrotman | madclicker: netfilter.org should have enough docs to get you started |
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| 01:01.09 | shingouz | gall: this is debian and not gentoo, that is why we roxx0r |
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| 01:01.33 | DerSchotte | debian \o/ |
| 01:01.57 | madclicker | abrotman: thanks am on it, I tried adding routes for the wan side but it didn't kick in |
| 01:02.07 | streuner | Why does an gentoo user come to #debian and ask for help, i don't get it ? :-) |
| 01:02.14 | gall | shingouz: Gentoo rox :> |
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| 01:02.15 | xydarcher | how to add available locales. |
| 01:02.29 | abrotman | streuner: we do'n tknow .. ask #gentoo |
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| 01:02.39 | streuner | abrotman: :-) |
| 01:02.46 | shingouz | gall: you sure you did not bang your head too many times on the mousepad? |
| 01:03.03 | gall | shingouz: In my opinion debian is the best for server but gentoo for desktop :> |
| 01:03.09 | abrotman | liar! |
| 01:03.12 | streuner | argh |
| 01:03.14 | gall | shingouz: How you now that I use gentoo ? |
| 01:03.15 | abrotman | don't tell my laptop that :) |
| 01:03.18 | Guerin | gall: hahaha |
| 01:03.19 | shingouz | streuner: i was yanking galls chain. he is on sarge as soon as the dist-upgrade is done |
| 01:03.32 | streuner | oh |
| 01:03.37 | shingouz | gall: because you were so awed of the power of dpkg and the rest |
| 01:03.48 | streuner | shingouz: well, good luck :-) |
| 01:04.07 | DerSchotte | herbi: Did you see this link ? http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers |
| 01:04.20 | abrotman | !dell |
| 01:04.20 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with |
| 01:04.24 | shingouz | streuner: luck? me? sid here for a couple of years now ;) |
| 01:04.27 | gall | ok time to sleep |
| 01:04.33 | gall | cya |
| 01:04.38 | shingouz | cya |
| 01:06.12 | Azar | whatever this script in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base means for each type of module listed? ex: install snd-pcm modprobe --ignore-install snd-pcm && { modprobe snd-pcm-oss; : ; } ??? it installs the module then ignores it? is that a testing of modules? |
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| 01:08.28 | FlimFlamMan | is there a way to set up a reverse proxy to accept incoming connections over SSL, but to just use a standard HTTP connection to the target server? the target server cannot support ssl, and i trust the local network, but would like to encrypt anything between the user and our network |
| 01:08.52 | streuner | Azar: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' say? |
| 01:09.03 | xydarcher | how to add available locales? locale -a only shows C and POSIX |
| 01:09.09 | jim | FlimFlamMan: why can't the inside machine use ssl? |
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| 01:09.40 | jim | FlimFlamMan: I'm leading in this direction because it's potentially the easiest and fastest way to go as far as I can see |
| 01:09.42 | FlimFlamMan | jim: because the vendor is an idiot |
| 01:09.53 | jim | what server? |
| 01:09.57 | humbolt | what may be the cause, when in an html mail, the message id for some reason appears above the message? |
| 01:10.11 | Azar | streuner: Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 40) |
| 01:10.12 | FlimFlamMan | jim, it's a point of sale box, i don't have access to the internals |
| 01:10.30 | jim | FlimFlamMan: like an ecommerce thing/ |
| 01:10.33 | jim | ? |
| 01:10.34 | shingouz | Azar: i get the feeling you know that line by heart already |
| 01:10.37 | streuner | Azar: and what kernel do you have (uname -a)? |
| 01:10.39 | FlimFlamMan | kind of |
| 01:10.43 | FlimFlamMan | is there a way to do that? |
| 01:10.46 | herbi | ok lets try a different tack |
| 01:10.47 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: plain http over ssh tunnel -> http proxy like squid -> plain http server |
| 01:10.56 | herbi | how can i get the debian installer to detect my cdrom device? |
| 01:11.00 | Azar | streuner 2.6.8-20k7 |
| 01:11.03 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: ssh tunneling is the shit :) |
| 01:11.06 | jim | there might be... but: how do you store your records? |
| 01:11.08 | Azar | shingouz, yeah hehe |
| 01:11.20 | streuner | Azar: tell us the whole line you get |
| 01:11.22 | FlimFlamMan | Guerin, and that will look like a standard https connection to the outside user? |
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| 01:11.40 | streuner | Azar: so its an custom kernel? |
| 01:11.52 | jim | what are the possibilities of bailing on your present solution and load its data into something different? |
| 01:11.55 | shingouz | herbi: enter the console and modprobe the appropriate modules might work, then try to mount the cd manually |
| 01:12.01 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: no, it'll look like a ssh connection |
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| 01:12.14 | Azar | Linux azar 2.6.8-2-k7 #1 Mon Jan24 03:29:52 EXT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:12.19 | Azar | and proud of it :) |
| 01:12.20 | FlimFlamMan | Guerin, it has to be accessible by browser from the outside |
| 01:12.29 | jim | azar: baazar |
| 01:12.35 | jbmigel | !prize Azar |
| 01:12.36 | Azar | jimmmm!! :) |
| 01:12.43 | streuner | Azar: so thats a yes? |
| 01:12.46 | herbi | i got it going! |
| 01:12.48 | herbi | yaaaaaaay |
| 01:12.52 | Azar | yep I deserve one sitting at it since 7 am this morning |
| 01:12.56 | shingouz | herbi: did my trick work? |
| 01:13.04 | jasoncohen | i constantly have to relink my user's .Xauthority file to /root. How do i fix my system so root can open X apps? |
| 01:13.11 | herbi | had to change SATA reporting from RAID Autodetect/AHCI to RAID Autodetect/ATA in the bios |
| 01:13.13 | Azar | streuner, no is my first precompiled Sarge pick |
| 01:13.15 | herbi | no shingouz :P |
| 01:13.20 | herbi | but thanks for the assist anyway |
| 01:13.21 | herbi | stupid dell |
| 01:13.27 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: oh, maybe I misunderstood. I thought you want to encrypt the request from client to proxy, but have the proxy to server connection in the clear |
| 01:13.34 | streuner | Azar: what happens if you just using an official kernel image? |
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| 01:13.52 | shingouz | herbi: i asked because i figured it might not work in this case. nice one you pulled on the bios though |
| 01:13.55 | humbolt | anybody any idea why there is some text added to HTML mails sent out by my postfix installation? Checking the mail with outlook, there appear some lines beginning with Message-Id: |
| 01:13.55 | Azar | streuner, that was the highest official kernel image offered by Sarge |
| 01:14.02 | streuner | Azar: ok |
| 01:14.12 | jim | FlimFlamMan: so what about your data inside the server? well first off, would you be open to trying a different solution for inside? |
| 01:14.18 | Azar | streuner and I picked it only out of curiosity to see how an official kernel looks/installs |
| 01:14.35 | streuner | Azar: anything in BTS? |
| 01:14.38 | humbolt | is it more likely that these messages are added by my postfix or by the receiving mail server |
| 01:14.42 | jim | or is there actually a convenient way to accomplish what he's asking for |
| 01:14.46 | Azar | streuner, what is BTS? |
| 01:14.56 | streuner | Azar: /msg dpkg bts |
| 01:14.59 | jim | bugs.debian.org |
| 01:15.03 | jim | that's the bts |
| 01:15.17 | FlimFlamMan | Guerin, that is what i want to do - i need standard https connection from user to proxy, and standard http connection from proxy to server |
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| 01:15.28 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
| 01:15.29 | Azar | I never ran bugs, should I ? |
| 01:15.43 | Azar | how would I run bugs? |
| 01:15.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:15.53 | spdf | quit |
| 01:15.55 | abrotman | Azar: try gentoo |
| 01:16.14 | jim | Azar: from what I understand, the person is asking you, have you checked the bug tracking system for known issues with your situation |
| 01:16.20 | shingouz | apt-listbugs should work |
| 01:16.44 | Guerin | FlimFlamMan: ok. ssh tunnelling is not standard https; you have to set it up on the client machine. WHat you probably want is apache-ssl and mod_proxy, but I'm not sure how to do it that way. |
| 01:16.46 | Azar | streuner, jim: No maintainer for alsa. Please do not report new bugs against this package |
| 01:17.03 | Azar | abrotman, I am afraid of gentoo |
| 01:17.07 | jim | so, is that an old package? |
| 01:17.08 | mlalkaka | i've edited my XF86Config-4 file. is there a way of getting apt-get to update the file, when needed, but not delete the changes that i have made; or at least warn me when the package maintainer's version differs from mine? |
| 01:17.14 | shingouz | Azar: so is abrotman |
| 01:17.21 | Azar | :) |
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| 01:17.36 | Azar | well, I guess I pushed everyone too hard with my alsa issue today |
| 01:17.50 | jim | no, not necessarily... |
| 01:17.51 | abrotman | shingouz: i am not |
| 01:17.54 | Azar | I will take and give everyone a break |
| 01:17.58 | abrotman | shingouz: i'm just lazy :) |
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| 01:17.59 | Azar | jim you just got here :) |
| 01:17.59 | FlimFlamMan | Guerin, ok, thanks for starting me off |
| 01:18.02 | shingouz | Azar: you have basically squeezed our brains empty of all things alsa |
| 01:18.06 | jim | that is true |
| 01:18.23 | shingouz | !gentoosmite abrotman |
| 01:18.29 | shingouz | heh |
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| 01:18.34 | abrotman | yeah .. like that |
| 01:18.46 | Azar | jim, in short I seem to have an issue with alsa installation against my via82xx card so its been 12 hours trying to find a fix |
| 01:18.58 | Mestapheles | has anyo used smart boot manager to boot from cd when bios doesn't allow for this? |
| 01:19.04 | abrotman | did you try alsaconf and rebooting ? |
| 01:19.15 | shingouz | abrotman: want some popcorn now that the azar-show runs again? ;) |
| 01:19.24 | jim | hmm... out of useless curiousity, what kernels have you tried? |
| 01:19.32 | MasterChief | Hi, I am new to linux and I am having some problems coping, I type in cp /home/server/phpMyAdmin-2.6.2-pl1/ /var/www/ and press enter and it says omitting directory "/home/server/phpMyAdmin-2.6.2-pl1" and then I go to /var/www/ and the directory I tried to copy isnt there please help. |
| 01:19.35 | abrotman | shingouz: i missed the first showing |
| 01:19.37 | shingouz | Mestapheles: in such cases i install from a floppy |
| 01:19.38 | abrotman | !beer shiner840 |
| 01:19.41 | abrotman | !beer shingouz |
| 01:19.43 | abrotman | him too! |
| 01:19.48 | Mestapheles | I don't see a option for CD. Just "quit to bios", "reboot", "floppy", "hd", and "primary one" (which just boots into windoze) |
| 01:19.50 | abrotman | yuengling for all! |
| 01:19.51 | shingouz | thanks |
| 01:19.51 | Mestapheles | k |
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| 01:20.10 | herbi | thankye all for your assistance :) |
| 01:20.16 | Azar | abrotman, yes, alsaconf, alsamixer, then rebooted |
| 01:20.17 | abrotman | did we help him ? |
| 01:20.18 | MasterChief | anyone? |
| 01:20.25 | shiner840 | Hmmm |
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| 01:20.36 | abrotman | MasterChief: man cp |
| 01:20.36 | jim | MasterChief: php? hmmm... ok, won't go there for now :) you're trying to copy a directory... man cp, you're looking for -a |
| 01:20.57 | MasterChief | thanks |
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| 01:21.24 | jim | this your first experience with any unix-alike? |
| 01:21.26 | Azar | the only problem that sits stubborn at bootup is alsa_ctl_open not reading the sound card and I have a feeling the issue is in /proc/asound... missing any info for sound card |
| 01:21.29 | shingouz | abrotman: i think we did. we made him so ticked off that he finally figured out what was wrong with the dell bios |
| 01:21.33 | CompBrain | aye |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:23.52 | ec | how can i have apt not make init links for particular apps? |
| 01:24.00 | abrotman | say what ? |
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| 01:24.03 | ec | normally they get recreated any time you reinstall a package |
| 01:24.10 | WhoppixTSI | hello |
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| 01:24.17 | abrotman | ec: for the init scripts ? |
| 01:24.20 | glick | hey in apt pinning |
| 01:24.20 | glick | <glick> if you install a package from the unstable distro for example and your running testing |
| 01:24.21 | glick | <glick> when you do apt-get upgrade, for that particular package will it always look in unstable for upgrades? |
| 01:24.24 | abrotman | ec: use update-rc.d |
| 01:24.32 | ec | when I apt-get install ssh it will make /etc/rc2/S20ssh for instance |
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| 01:24.40 | abrotman | ec: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 01:24.44 | ec | i can use update-rc.d to remove them each time |
| 01:24.46 | shingouz | glick: i think so |
| 01:24.52 | ec | but if ssh gets reinstalled it will recreate the links |
| 01:25.02 | WhoppixTSI | anyone know how to exploit a windows computer with SP2 to make the drive viewable? |
| 01:25.09 | abrotman | ec: yes .. i think that's the way it goes .. probably part of the postinst script |
| 01:25.18 | abrotman | WhoppixTSI: wrong channel |
| 01:25.30 | ec | any way to have it not create particular ones? |
| 01:25.31 | shingouz | WhoppixTSI: does this look like #scr1ptk1dd1ez to you? |
| 01:26.08 | WhoppixTSI | its not scriptkiddies buddy, im trying to learn how to remotly access my computer because i set it up as a wargame machine |
| 01:26.17 | abrotman | suppose we could get a staff member after him |
| 01:26.30 | abrotman | WhoppixTSI: wrong channel |
| 01:26.31 | WhoppixTSI | if you would have let me finish |
| 01:26.33 | WhoppixTSI | then |
| 01:26.36 | resiak | !tell WhoppixTSI -about enter |
| 01:26.42 | abrotman | WhoppixTSI: debian is linux .. not windows .. |
| 01:26.45 | shingouz | WhoppixTSI: wtf has that to do with exploiting it? go away |
| 01:27.00 | WhoppixTSI | your a fucking idiot |
| 01:27.03 | WhoppixTSI | i was trying to say that |
| 01:27.09 | WhoppixTSI | i wanted to access windows WITH whoppix |
| 01:27.11 | abrotman | you're |
| 01:27.16 | abrotman | wtf is whoppix ? |
| 01:27.16 | WhoppixTSI | but your ass couldent understand that |
| 01:27.19 | resiak | WhoppixTSI: And this is #whoppix ? |
| 01:27.19 | Azar | jim you are fresh can I grab your pm? |
| 01:27.20 | resiak | !whoppix |
| 01:27.28 | WhoppixTSI | fuck you all, i was just trying to learn something |
| 01:27.30 | WhoppixTSI | go fuck yourselfs |
| 01:27.33 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:27.36 | shingouz | woot |
| 01:27.37 | abrotman | wtf is whoppix ? |
| 01:27.42 | Azar | kicking and screaming |
| 01:27.49 | streuner | prolly knoppix |
| 01:28.03 | abrotman | !whoppix is http://www.whoppix.net/ |
| 01:28.04 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 01:28.15 | glick | in pinning cant i just pin a group of packages to one server? |
| 01:28.21 | resiak | "Whoppix is a stand alone penetration testing live cd based on Knoppix. With the latest tools and exploits..." |
| 01:28.22 | shingouz | we are getting better at this, the moron was here about three minutes |
| 01:28.23 | Shuddertrix | Whoppix is based on knoppix which is based on Debian. Still makes no sense why he came here.. |
| 01:28.26 | abrotman | !whoppix is also Whoppix is a stand alone penetration testing live cd based on Knoppix. With the latest tools and exploits, it is a must for every penetration tester and security auditor. Whoppix includes Several exploit archives, such as Securityfocus, Packetstorm, SecurityForest and Milw0rm, as well as a wide variety of updated security tools. The new custom kernel also allows for better WIFI support, for tools such as Airepla |
| 01:28.26 | abrotman | y. |
| 01:28.31 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 01:28.35 | abrotman | close enough |
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| 01:28.42 | streuner | hm |
| 01:28.46 | resiak | !whoppix =~ s/Airepla/Aireplay/ |
| 01:28.46 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
| 01:29.10 | Guerin | so it's basically knoppix for wardriving crax0rz |
| 01:29.14 | abrotman | basically |
| 01:29.15 | Guerin | what a great idea |
| 01:29.20 | shingouz | neat |
| 01:29.21 | abrotman | but we too fucking stupid to see that |
| 01:29.38 | resiak | abrotman: Our asses were too stupid, I think. |
| 01:29.39 | abrotman | you know .. that cracking an SP2 box is fun :) |
| 01:29.43 | Azar | honorable jim |
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| 01:29.55 | nullset | Hi I am looking for a cheap motherboard that has onboard lan, sound and video that are all supported and I also need "some" 3d acceleration. Any suggestions what brands/boards I should focus on? |
| 01:29.56 | abrotman | resiak: i'm so stupid .. can i have your other brain cel ? |
| 01:30.00 | abrotman | cell |
| 01:30.33 | Azar | nullset check out tom's hardware website |
| 01:30.34 | shingouz | Shuddertrix: what? don't you have a dedicated kismet laptop? everyone should have at least one |
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| 01:31.18 | Shuddertrix | eh? |
| 01:31.24 | nullset | Azar, didnt think that really gets into linux support though? |
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| 01:31.59 | abrotman | resiak: give it to me!!! |
| 01:32.10 | DerSchotte | Since I compiled my custom kernel I'm getting "depmod: Can't read /boot/System.map-2.4.27", where is that in the kernel tree so I can copy it ? |
| 01:32.10 | shingouz | Shuddertrix: wardriving just once. not good enough, you need to have a dedicated wardriving tool and do some sniffing every other day to keep current :p |
| 01:32.34 | Azar | hey I found some answer but is in italian :( |
| 01:32.34 | Shuddertrix | I live 100 miles from Toledo. |
| 01:32.46 | Shuddertrix | I erased pretty much all records of that visit |
| 01:33.06 | shingouz | wardriving is not illegal |
| 01:33.22 | Shuddertrix | I know, but it was a one-time thing |
| 01:33.32 | MidgetSpy | hey guys. this isn't really a debian question but maybe someone here will know the answer anytay :0) I have mounted a new HD with 1 partition (/dev/hdb1) as /backup: mount /dev/hdb1 /backup. this works correctly, backup is writable and chmodded 777. when I try to rsync to it, however, rsync says it is unable to create the directory on /backup. what could I be doing wrong here? |
| 01:33.41 | humbolt | what does "/r" mean? I know "/n" codes a newline |
| 01:33.44 | Shuddertrix | To stay on topic, i was using sarge on the computer I used for that. |
| 01:33.52 | Shuddertrix | ;) |
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| 01:34.12 | shingouz | Shuddertrix: well, i have a dedicated kismet laptop running sid with a patched to hell kernel |
| 01:34.17 | BibTeX | hello |
| 01:34.28 | resiak | abrotman: Okay. |
| 01:34.29 | BibTeX | Does anybody have experience un Module programming? |
| 01:34.32 | kelan | humbolt: its usually \n. \r is a carriage return |
| 01:34.37 | abrotman | resiak: is it larger than a breadbox ? |
| 01:34.49 | resiak | abrotman: i'm not sure |
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| 01:34.58 | Guerin | BibTeX: lots of people on lkml do |
| 01:35.05 | prodope | is there any browser that supports javascript in console? |
| 01:35.05 | abrotman | resiak: maybe you should take the other half back .. you seem darn dumb WHOPPIX RULESZZ |
| 01:35.15 | BibTeX | Guerin : Thx |
| 01:35.16 | prodope | i need to get some mail from hotmail via console |
| 01:35.17 | Guerin | prodope: not that I know of |
| 01:35.34 | shingouz | prodope: try elinks |
| 01:35.39 | Guerin | prodope: gotmail? |
| 01:35.44 | prodope | shingouz: yeah, i've tried that |
| 01:35.50 | Guerin | !info gotmail |
| 01:35.53 | dpkg | gotmail: (utility to download email from a Hotmail or MSN account), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.8.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 01:36.00 | BibTeX | Guerin : Is it a channel on freenode? ...cause i cannot find it |
| 01:36.05 | Guerin | yeah, that's the one I was thinking of |
| 01:36.11 | Guerin | BibTeX: it's a mailing lis |
| 01:36.13 | Guerin | t |
| 01:36.13 | prodope | Guerin: ahh, nice, thanks |
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| 01:36.30 | abrotman | is there a magic download thingie to get pics from digicam ? |
| 01:36.30 | Guerin | BibTeX: you might also want #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:36.42 | BibTeX | Guerin : Thx a lot |
| 01:36.43 | Guerin | abrotman: depends on the digicam |
| 01:36.47 | shingouz | abrotman: gphoto maybe |
| 01:36.47 | resiak | abrotman: Heh. |
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| 01:37.23 | abrotman | Guerin: assume i have the right one :) |
| 01:37.37 | Guerin | abrotman: thanks for being specific. |
| 01:37.58 | glick | hey if i install xfce from source, how do i make it so my login managers see it? |
| 01:38.05 | abrotman | Guerin: not my camera .. i have no idea . i'm looking for programs :) |
| 01:38.11 | Guerin | glick: don't install xfce from source |
| 01:38.16 | shingouz | glick: why the hell do you want to install it from source |
| 01:38.19 | glick | Guerin, why not? |
| 01:38.19 | jim | BibTeX: the #kernelnewbies channel has been a very good resource for getting started -programming- with the kernel... they're not much interested in the basics, especially just using it |
| 01:38.26 | Guerin | abrotman: gphoto2 is your best bet if it doesn't do mass storage |
| 01:38.30 | glick | shingouz, cause the testing one is out dated as hell |
| 01:38.38 | LinuxNIT | where is the kerenl image located? |
| 01:38.45 | Guerin | glick: because you'll break things. There are debian packages of thre newest on os-works.de |
| 01:39.01 | glick | Guerin, not the newest |
| 01:39.13 | abrotman | boohhoo |
| 01:39.16 | Guerin | glick: 4.2.x |
| 01:39.22 | Azar | jim! |
| 01:39.27 | glick | there are bugs in 4.2.1-1 that where fixed |
| 01:39.30 | jim | forexample, if I recall correctly the question of "how do I configure and compile a kernel (maybe for purpose X)" is a faq, and they'd point you at already-written materi9al for that |
| 01:39.38 | jim | mmm? |
| 01:39.57 | Azar | :) jim can I get a little pm with you? |
| 01:40.00 | Guerin | glick: anyway, I can tell you're just going to mash it up and annoy us with your stupid nondebian problems, but i don't care, because I'm off to work now. |
| 01:40.11 | jim | not now... I'm fighting against time |
| 01:40.20 | Azar | oh ok :) |
| 01:40.20 | kelan | anyone got recommendations on a nice trackball? maybe one that can be used easily with either hand? |
| 01:40.26 | jim | and as usual, time is winning |
| 01:40.26 | glick | ive installed other things from source with no problems |
| 01:40.40 | shingouz | kelan: kensington has a few good ones. pricey though |
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| 01:41.19 | Skaag_ | i'm trying to run nfs-user-server but it does not manage to connect to my portmap |
| 01:41.20 | kelan | shingouz: yeah, i saw those expert ones. they are pricey |
| 01:41.25 | Skaag_ | on the same box |
| 01:41.32 | seldon | kelan: I usually opt for logitech with mice and trackballs. Just go to a retailer near you and check them out - it is mostly a matter of taste, so you'll have to find one that suits you. |
| 01:41.44 | Skaag_ | portmap is enabled with -i x.x.x.x <-- ip address of eth0 |
| 01:42.02 | shingouz | kelan: of course the m$ optical trackball works too. at least mine does |
| 01:42.06 | jim | kelan: kensington -is- very good... but the tracking on their stuff isn't that good (software issues? weird movement when you try to go fast) logitech is much better in that regard, and I speak from first-hand experience |
| 01:42.23 | kelan | seldon: the retailers in my city don't seem to like trackballs. i went around today to see if i could demo a real one, but no display models:P |
| 01:42.28 | Skaag_ | jim: you mean first few fingers experience, surely? :-) |
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| 01:42.51 | jim | sounds like a personal question to me :P |
| 01:43.05 | Skaag_ | heh |
| 01:43.14 | kelan | shingouz: do you have the one that is thumb controlled or fingertip controlled? |
| 01:43.15 | shingouz | kelan: the mickeysoft optical trackball ps/2 / usb works very well, i am using one at the very moment |
| 01:43.16 | Skaag_ | ok i'm freezing my ass in this colo, please help me guys :-) |
| 01:43.18 | shingouz | thumb |
| 01:43.30 | Skaag_ | i need to get this nfs-user-server to load |
| 01:43.45 | Skaag_ | but it can not connect to portmap altough it is enabled |
| 01:43.57 | shingouz | kelan: the fingertip one shoudl work too but i needed this one to get my wrist to settle down a bit |
| 01:44.01 | Skaag_ | and i have portmap: x.x.x. (local network) in /etc/hosts.allow |
| 01:44.22 | kelan | shingouz: do you get good accuracy with thumb control? i don't need FPS accuracy, but seems like thumb would be a bit odd |
| 01:44.30 | shingouz | yes |
| 01:44.39 | jim | I can't spend time on the problem... but so far you haven't said whether portmapper is running |
| 01:44.53 | shingouz | kelan: takes a couple of days to get used to but i would not change anymore |
| 01:44.54 | glick | doesnt anyone install anything from source on debian? |
| 01:45.00 | jim | sure |
| 01:45.05 | shingouz | glick: most of the time no |
| 01:45.10 | kelan | furrywolf: trying to minimize desk footprint. i don't think a tablet would work for that:) |
| 01:45.11 | Skaag_ | jim: yes it's running of course |
| 01:45.11 | jim | I do |
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| 01:45.30 | furrywolf | kelan: want to borrow my 9x12 tablet? :P |
| 01:45.30 | spdf | glick, Once in awhile.. |
| 01:45.37 | Skaag_ | glick : sometimes it is a must, some packages are sometimes broken or not new enough |
| 01:45.40 | jim | because there are times when it's inappropriate for debian packaging to have influence over what I have installed |
| 01:45.43 | glick | so whats wrong with installing xfce4 from source |
| 01:45.57 | shingouz | kelan: one of the ibm trackpoint keyboards maybe? takes care of the mouse |
| 01:45.59 | spdf | glick, I imagine nothing.. |
| 01:46.04 | Skaag_ | glick: there's nothing ever wrong with anything |
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| 01:46.22 | jim | but: no debian package has any dependency on stuff I build from source |
| 01:46.26 | spdf | Skaag_, Unless you're talking about nfs-user-servers :) |
| 01:46.28 | kelan | shingouz: with the little eraser head thing? or does it have a mini-touchpad? |
| 01:46.31 | Skaag_ | glick: but debian does have a certain philosophy |
| 01:46.41 | shingouz | glick: that is too big and clumsy to install from source imho. besides it is not like there are some real neat things you need on the latest version |
| 01:46.41 | Skaag_ | spdf: nah, wasn't :-) |
| 01:46.42 | Azar | jim you are going above the boundaries of debian package system? |
| 01:46.48 | shingouz | kelan: the red nipple |
| 01:46.53 | Skaag_ | spdf : my nfs-user-server is from the original package |
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| 01:47.06 | jim | Azar: simply that I don't want apt or anything else to have control over certain things I have installed; I want to maintain it myself |
| 01:47.09 | glick | shingouz, some software i need/want the latest version |
| 01:47.17 | glick | like gaim for example |
| 01:47.20 | abrotman | furrywolf: yay .. i think |
| 01:47.21 | Skaag_ | argh why does my nfs-user-server get a connection refused from rpc |
| 01:47.24 | glick | or other non system critical software |
| 01:47.25 | shingouz | glick: stop bitching and compile from source then |
| 01:47.25 | spdf | furrywolf, er ah. w00t. |
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| 01:47.33 | flash_muppet | if I wanted to play with apache what would I install on my computer besides the server .. and any particular apache? thanks for the help .. |
| 01:47.35 | Azar | jim if you love fiddling with dependencies, hey, you are GOD |
| 01:47.35 | jim | for that part, debian's main advantage to me is their compilers/toolchain always -works- |
| 01:47.38 | kelan | shingouz: i don't like them much either, but i like them more than the nipples |
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| 01:47.43 | Morydd | anyone know a simple (graphical?) midi file editor? |
| 01:47.47 | glick | shingouz, what do i have to do so that my login manager will see xfce as installed? |
| 01:47.54 | shingouz | kelan: hmm... nipples are good for you ;) |
| 01:47.58 | kelan | hah |
| 01:47.59 | spdf | flash_muppet, The server, mysql perhaps, php, perl if you want/need it.. |
| 01:48.09 | shingouz | glick man update-alternatives |
| 01:48.09 | jim | Azar: that's just it... I -don't- like the dependencies fiddling with me |
| 01:48.13 | Skaag_ | ok managed to get it to work |
| 01:48.15 | jim | anyway |
| 01:48.26 | jim | got 12 mins to get there... so I'm gone :) |
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| 01:48.36 | Azar | oh have a great day/night jim |
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| 01:48.45 | spdf | Damnit Jim! She can't take much more of this, let alone 12 minutes! |
| 01:48.49 | Azar | Ill skip work tomorow to fix this alsa stuff |
| 01:48.49 | flash_muppet | spdf: just apt-get install those packages? |
| 01:48.55 | tiger1020x | hello all |
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| 01:48.59 | Skaag_ | shit i'm so cold in this colo :-( |
| 01:49.02 | Skaag_ | <brrrrr> |
| 01:49.11 | furrywolf | skaag: wear a coat? |
| 01:49.15 | shingouz | turn off the a/c |
| 01:49.16 | Skaag_ | forgot to bring it |
| 01:49.29 | Azar | 89F in this room need more cold beers |
| 01:49.30 | Skaag_ | if i turn off the a/c in here, i will probably be arrested |
| 01:49.37 | plasmatics | i set the permissions on my /etc/sudoers file to 7 (full), then I changed it up a bit, saved it and tried log into root through the console to set the permission back. I can't log into root though because it says that the sudoers file has to be set at 0440 (read-only), but I can't log into root to change it back :S How can i fix this? |
| 01:49.47 | tiger1020x | can a mac driver be converted to linux? |
| 01:50.02 | abrotman | is it open source ? |
| 01:50.05 | furrywolf | plasmatics: you can't su? |
| 01:50.08 | kelan | plasmatics: use your root password to log into root instead of sudo |
| 01:50.11 | spdf | flash_muppet, Pretty much... libapache-mod-php4, mysql takes a bit of setup... |
| 01:50.12 | kelan | using su |
| 01:50.12 | Azar | mac is more proprietary than ms |
| 01:50.15 | tiger1020x | i'm not sure abrost |
| 01:50.22 | tiger1020x | ahem |
| 01:50.23 | shingouz | plasmatics: boot into single user mode and do it from there. remember to sync the filesystem before rebooting |
| 01:50.30 | tiger1020x | i see an rsrc file |
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| 01:50.55 | raf256 | wazup \o/ |
| 01:50.59 | glick | i dont get what update-alternatives does? |
| 01:51.02 | glick | from the man page |
| 01:51.09 | plasmatics | furrywolf: nope, "sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 07, should be 0440" |
| 01:51.09 | shingouz | plasmatics: uh.. of course my alternative is the last option |
| 01:51.20 | shingouz | glick: jsut what you need it to do |
| 01:51.30 | abrotman | glick: it's probably in english .. is that a problem for you? |
| 01:51.35 | furrywolf | plasmatics: I said su. not sudo. READ. |
| 01:51.40 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:51.46 | plasmatics | furrywolf: yes, i cannot su or sudo |
| 01:51.59 | spdf | plasmatics, Have you tried logging in as root? |
| 01:52.00 | furrywolf | what happens when you run "su -" and give your root password? |
| 01:52.06 | shingouz | plasmatics: can you logon as root at the prompt? |
| 01:52.09 | Delph | plasmatics: sudo and su do not do the same thing. 'su -' and use the root password. |
| 01:52.11 | abrotman | init=/bin/sh :) |
| 01:52.26 | glick | looking at the man page i just dont see how that relates in what i want to do |
| 01:52.29 | glick | its not obvious |
| 01:52.34 | plasmatics | Delph: no it does not work, i have tired su and sudo |
| 01:52.45 | Delph | plasmatics: what is the error when you use su? |
| 01:52.47 | furrywolf | plasmatics: what error does su - give? |
| 01:52.47 | kelan | plasmatics: do you know your root password? |
| 01:52.56 | furrywolf | kelan: I suspect not. :) |
| 01:52.57 | Delph | it is highly unlikely to be the same as the one that sudo gives. |
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| 01:53.11 | plasmatics | for both of them it says "sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 07, should be 0440" |
| 01:53.17 | kelan | heh |
| 01:53.20 | plasmatics | kelan: yes i know my root password :P |
| 01:53.20 | Delph | plasmatics: are you running debian? |
| 01:53.28 | plasmatics | Delph: debian unstable |
| 01:53.32 | shingouz | glick: you want the system to see the new botched up xfce as the only alternative, that tool makes it possible. if you are not up to it do not compile from source |
| 01:53.37 | Delph | and su links to sudo? |
| 01:53.39 | deadcat | plasmatics: then fucking change the perm |
| 01:53.48 | plasmatics | deadcat: perm? |
| 01:53.55 | Delph | plasmatics: ission |
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| 01:54.00 | Delph | deadcat: the issue being logging in. |
| 01:54.05 | furrywolf | plasmatics: type login, root, and your root password |
| 01:54.12 | furrywolf | plasmatics: ssh root@localhost |
| 01:54.17 | kelan | deadcat: i love when you join the conversation:) |
| 01:54.25 | deadcat | kelan: thanks (= |
| 01:54.31 | glick | stick your eleetism where the sun dont shine |
| 01:54.32 | plasmatics | furrywolf: connection refused |
| 01:54.33 | deadcat | kelan: i have no clue what they talking about |
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| 01:55.06 | shingouz | plasmatics: can you change the terminal and just log on as root in a CLI? |
| 01:55.09 | Delph | plasmatics: for the future: it's always useful to run a sshd on your box, for when X dies or similar. |
| 01:55.28 | furrywolf | since when did su in any way relate to sudo? |
| 01:55.35 | plasmatics | shingouz: cli? |
| 01:55.40 | spdf | plasmatics, command line interface |
| 01:55.41 | shingouz | command line interface |
| 01:55.46 | spdf | Woot. I won. |
| 01:55.49 | Skaag_ | plasmatics: cli is the name of the linux god |
| 01:55.54 | deadcat | !in spdf |
| 01:55.56 | shingouz | spdf: you are not multitasking |
| 01:55.58 | deadcat | !win spdf |
| 01:55.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, spdf! You have won the US presidency! |
| 01:56.04 | glick | yeah shingouz that was for you |
| 01:56.05 | plasmatics | well i'm doing all of this from a console... |
| 01:56.21 | deadcat | spdf: dance rummy |
| 01:56.25 | furrywolf | plasmatics: and what happens when you simply log in as root? |
| 01:56.29 | Azar | quote from a forum: "nobody seems to want to tell us that alsa now has to be added as a service at boot" ? |
| 01:56.31 | shingouz | !fuck glick |
| 01:56.42 | spdf | plasmatics, Are you working in a terminal window in X? |
| 01:56.46 | plasmatics | ok, i fixed it |
| 01:56.50 | Azar | hehehe loved that one dpkg |
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| 01:57.12 | spdf | Pink dildos are so immasculating |
| 01:57.20 | plasmatics | i just did sh then su |
| 01:57.45 | Skaag_ | oh god... |
| 01:58.02 | furrywolf | plasmatics: kinda like we all told you to, eh? |
| 01:58.09 | Azar | pink dildos represent clean , healthy genitalia |
| 01:58.10 | Skaag_ | when I tell portmap to listen on an ip address that is not 'localhost' my nfs-user-server can not connect to it |
| 01:58.22 | plasmatics | furrywolf: where? you just said ssh |
| 01:58.30 | Skaag_ | i change it to 127.0.0.1 and nfs-user-server can connect and register its services |
| 01:58.36 | Skaag_ | but then, my remote box can't connect |
| 01:58.40 | Skaag_ | what gives |
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| 01:58.54 | furrywolf | plasmatics: scroll up further. I even asked you, I think twice, for the error su gives. |
| 01:59.03 | spdf | Skaag_, What seperates the two boxes? |
| 01:59.03 | Skaag_ | how do I tell nfs-user-server that portmap is listening on a specific ip address? |
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| 01:59.10 | Skaag_ | spdf: network cable |
| 01:59.17 | spdf | Skaag_, A single network cable? |
| 01:59.24 | Skaag_ | a switch in the middle of course |
| 01:59.27 | furrywolf | sigh. some people shouldn't be allowed to have their own root passwords... |
| 01:59.34 | Nigel | Skaag_: read /usr/share/docs/nfs* |
| 01:59.59 | Skaag_ | Nigel: the text jumps in front of my eyes cuz my teeth are clacking, because of the cold |
| 02:00.08 | Skaag_ | Nigel: I wanna see you read in such conditions :-) |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | !rootsmite furrywolf |
| 02:00.30 | furrywolf | abrotman: hey, I'm not the one who kept typing sudo when 10 people told me to type su. :P |
| 02:00.48 | abrotman | furrywolf: you mean .. There's a difference?!?!?!? |
| 02:00.55 | Nigel | Skaag_: next time take a Jersery with you... |
| 02:01.32 | DerSchotte | damn, a kernel path that I'm using has been updated :/ |
| 02:01.39 | DerSchotte | *patch |
| 02:01.41 | abrotman | damn .. don't compile your own kernel |
| 02:02.03 | Nigel | abrotman: it's fun! |
| 02:02.09 | furrywolf | !puncsmite abrotman |
| 02:02.09 | dpkg | summons the gods of trailing punctuation, smiting abrotman with a maelstrom of '?'s and '!'s descending from above. |
| 02:02.09 | DerSchotte | Oh, and be a windows user :o) |
| 02:02.20 | Skaag_ | Nigel : I will never forget, ever again |
| 02:02.20 | furrywolf | hrmm, that's broken. sec. :) |
| 02:02.21 | abrotman | furrywolf: like i care! |
| 02:02.35 | abrotman | furrywolf: at least peterS doesn't apostrophesmite me anymore |
| 02:02.44 | furrywolf | !puncsmite abrotman |
| 02:02.47 | furrywolf | much better. :) |
| 02:02.58 | shingouz | !apostrophesmite abrotman |
| 02:03.24 | abrotman | too much poking |
| 02:03.27 | abrotman | this is a family channel |
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| 02:03.48 | Delph | abrotman: for family people? |
| 02:03.58 | shingouz | ok. we had a nice demonstration on the 'poke' command, lets try 'peek' next |
| 02:04.08 | abrotman | Delph: i suppose |
| 02:04.27 | digibox | forget 'peek' lets try 'finger' |
| 02:04.29 | DerSchotte | Hmm, now that patch has been updated, how do "unpatch" ? |
| 02:04.45 | shingouz | digibox: keep your fingers to yourself please |
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| 02:05.28 | m4lu6 | what's IO redirector i might use to redirect output from 3 programs to 1 file? |
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| 02:05.41 | Skaag_ | ok i have done everything according to the docs and faqs, i've rtfm, my nfs-user-server can't connect to rpc, still... any ideas? |
| 02:05.41 | m4lu6 | i thought it was >| , but that didn't seem to work. |
| 02:05.50 | remmy | my sound is not working could someone help me fix it? |
| 02:05.52 | Skaag_ | i've added the relevant lines in /etc/hosts.allow as well |
| 02:05.55 | Delph | m4lu6: how do you want to combine them? |
| 02:06.01 | spdf | remmy, We could try... |
| 02:06.08 | spdf | remmy, There is a fee though.. |
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| 02:06.09 | Delph | just randomly interleaved? interleaved every line? |
| 02:06.10 | DerSchotte | sarge package - kernel-patch-skas: was 3-9.1 now: 3-9.2 :/ |
| 02:06.15 | furrywolf | digibox: no fingering. :P |
| 02:06.16 | remmy | spdf, lol |
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| 02:06.30 | m4lu6 | Delph, in no particular way. |
| 02:06.39 | remmy | spdf, this is the first real install of debian on my computer... it worked when i had it on vmware |
| 02:06.39 | DerSchotte | update over wrote the old patch, so I can't "un--patch" :( |
| 02:06.40 | m4lu6 | just want output of a couple programs to be directed to a single file |
| 02:06.44 | digibox | :) |
| 02:06.56 | Delph | m4lu6: so you don't care if it's totally mixed up and not making much sense? |
| 02:06.58 | brimstone | when i go to the debian website in firefox, it causes x to hang, how do i turn down my agp speed? |
| 02:07.06 | m4lu6 | Delph, nope. not at all |
| 02:07.12 | furrywolf | digibox: do I want to know who you are or what you want to finger? :P |
| 02:07.12 | Delph | m4lu6: strange person. |
| 02:07.16 | abrotman | brimstone: could you throw in some more unrelated stuff ? |
| 02:07.27 | digibox | furrywolf, maybe |
| 02:07.29 | m4lu6 | Delph, sometimes, yeah :) |
| 02:07.36 | zxc | how can I upgrade from stable to frozen (I cant find the keyword at dpkg bot) |
| 02:07.42 | abrotman | frozen ? |
| 02:07.44 | m4lu6 | so what's the strange answer to my strange question? :) |
| 02:07.51 | brimstone | abrotman: it hast to do with my nvidia driver/card, but i can't turn down my agp speed in my dell bios, is there a software way to do it? |
| 02:07.55 | zxc | abrotman, sarge |
| 02:07.58 | furrywolf | digibox: ok then. why? :P |
| 02:08.06 | abrotman | brimstone: try another browser |
| 02:08.15 | abrotman | !tell zxc about woody->sarge |
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| 02:08.18 | shingouz | !tell zxc about woody->sarge |
| 02:08.19 | brimstone | opera is fine, but i like my firefox |
| 02:08.19 | zxc | thx |
| 02:08.27 | brimstone | works well with thunderbird |
| 02:08.29 | abrotman | brimstone: guess it's not your AGP then is it .. |
| 02:08.33 | Delph | m4lu6: no idea, it's not something i've ever needed to do. |
| 02:08.45 | linoleum | hi, how can I know in with mode my x window is set (16 bits, or 32 bits ... ? ) . How can I set it? |
| 02:08.46 | Delph | m4lu6: i just tend to output into three files, and use tail to monitor them all at the same time. |
| 02:08.57 | m4lu6 | hrmm. |
| 02:08.59 | abrotman | brimstone: i don't know much about nvidia stuff but /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 02:09.01 | m4lu6 | i don't want to do that. |
| 02:09.13 | brimstone | abrotman: a friend of mine said that he turned down his agp and it fixed his firefox problem on debian |
| 02:09.30 | Delph | works for me. nice little headers which delineate the differences. |
| 02:09.33 | DerSchotte | When using jigdo, do I have to mount the last ISO image or will it just update what I already have ? Be gentle, it's my first jigdo ;) |
| 02:09.37 | abrotman | brimstone: well .. then call Dell .. ask them . but i bet you can't do it |
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| 02:09.53 | brimstone | i'm going to later then, let me try the nvidia one liner |
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| 02:11.12 | jond3rd | hello people |
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| 02:11.13 | furrywolf | digibox: do I know you? :) |
| 02:11.18 | jond3rd | just wondering if it's possible to do scp and sftp but without giving one a shell, any help would be appreciated |
| 02:11.32 | linoleum | please, how Can I set my screen to 32 Bits? |
| 02:11.32 | abrotman | you can chroot them ... |
| 02:11.37 | digibox | dunno if you know me but |
| 02:11.37 | abrotman | !drxx linoleum |
| 02:11.38 | dpkg | linoleum: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 02:11.40 | digibox | I know you |
| 02:11.50 | linoleum | ok :) thank |
| 02:11.51 | linoleum | x |
| 02:11.51 | furrywolf | and who am I? |
| 02:11.57 | abrotman | a furry wolf |
| 02:11.58 | abrotman | duh |
| 02:12.01 | abrotman | !win me |
| 02:12.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 02:12.14 | jbmigel | linoleum do you know if you monitor and graphics card support such rediculous color depth? |
| 02:12.17 | digibox | well I dont wanna give out your screen name out in public here |
| 02:12.26 | digibox | your aim SN that is |
| 02:12.27 | abrotman | it's not a rediculous color depth |
| 02:12.35 | Baloo | abrotman: Who? |
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| 02:12.48 | Delph | meee! |
| 02:12.53 | abrotman | Baloo: what? |
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| 02:13.12 | spdf | Pickles. |
| 02:13.17 | linoleum | jbmigel, what do you mean rediculous color depth??? |
| 02:13.44 | jasoncohen | anyone know how to do a dual-head setup with the radeon or fglrx drivers? |
| 02:14.02 | abrotman | jasoncohen: #ati might know |
| 02:14.03 | Baloo | abrotman: a furry wolf |
| 02:14.15 | abrotman | Baloo: furrywolf maybe ? |
| 02:14.26 | Baloo | abrotman: Oh... |
| 02:14.31 | Baloo | abrotman: duh...mybad. |
| 02:14.37 | linoleum | hey |
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| 02:14.42 | pitillo | jasoncohen: do you trie to run fglrxconfig? |
| 02:14.50 | linoleum | there is only 24 bith, there is no 32 bits ... |
| 02:15.10 | jbmigel | linoleum and abrotman: I mean 16 bit color can differentiate 16.8million colors... 32 bit color is 4.3billion colors if your hardware can do it... but there is twice the data to move around slowing everything down for nothing... this i deem "rediculous" |
| 02:15.13 | abrotman | linoleum: guess what .. your card can't do it |
| 02:15.14 | shingouz | linoleum: you do not need the 32 bits really |
| 02:15.17 | spdf | linoleum, There is no 32 bits.. |
| 02:15.23 | Azar | hey how come somebody recommmends installing discovery2 ? aptitude say it does not exist! |
| 02:15.36 | furrywolf | 32 bits is typically 24 bits with padding added. |
| 02:15.37 | abrotman | jbmigel: well .. you'd be wrong .. but it's not the first time i've seen that happen |
| 02:15.46 | jasoncohen | pitillo, at this point i haven't installed the fglrx driver yet. i'm looking for instructions on setting it up with the open-source radeon driver. |
| 02:15.51 | sepen_ | i have a dependence problem |
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| 02:15.56 | linoleum | jbmigel, we are in 2005 mate, you can byt a new video card |
| 02:15.56 | sepen_ | with perl |
| 02:16.26 | Skaag_ | damnit my nfs-user-server gets a connection refused from portmap :-\ |
| 02:16.29 | Azar | abrotman you mean debian does not handle 64bit color? |
| 02:16.41 | abrotman | Azar: do you have a 64bit color card ? |
| 02:16.48 | pitillo | jasoncohen: with the open-source driver i have no idea sorry |
| 02:16.49 | Azar | abrotman I have no idea... |
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| 02:17.02 | spdf | jasoncohen, With? |
| 02:17.09 | jasoncohen | pitillo, i think i'll go with fglrx. fglrxconfig should make it easy |
| 02:17.17 | sepen_ | apt-get -f install is it a good idea? |
| 02:17.24 | jasoncohen | spdf, a ati radeon 9700 pro, a 19" CRT and a 27" TV |
| 02:17.26 | Azar | my nVidia GeForce2 XM/XM 400 is 5 year old |
| 02:17.40 | shingouz | 64bit color, that would be like... umpteen gazzilion colors when the human eye cannot possibly differentiate between them |
| 02:17.43 | spdf | jasoncohen, I use a 9600se with the fglrx driver, works great |
| 02:17.46 | jetscreamer | can't hurt sepen |
| 02:17.47 | pitillo | jasoncohen: try it then |
| 02:18.04 | Azar | is that 64bit color coming with the new 64bit system? |
| 02:18.15 | jasoncohen | spdf, and you just used the fglrxconfig to set it up/ |
| 02:18.27 | jasoncohen | spdf, did you use the binary drivers or did you compile your own? |
| 02:18.33 | spdf | jasoncohen, Nope. All I did was change the driver entry in my X config from radeon to fglrx |
| 02:18.33 | Azar | in linux I use the native 24bit color the 32bit replica |
| 02:18.41 | sepen_ | when i have a crash dependencies t is an option apt-get -f install? |
| 02:18.56 | jbmigel | linoleum i suggest you do some research on how many colors your eye can differentiate between, since its like 10 million and less than 16 bit color... try upgrading your eyes first mate |
| 02:18.56 | spdf | jasoncohen, Er ah, for dual head though you'll want to use the fglrxconfig.. |
| 02:19.01 | furrywolf | shingouz: but I want 21bpp! :P |
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| 02:19.06 | jasoncohen | spdf, thanks |
| 02:19.14 | abrotman | jbmigel: how many is 16bit ? |
| 02:19.19 | furrywolf | bpc, I should say |
| 02:19.21 | jbmigel | 16.8million |
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| 02:19.23 | furrywolf | typo |
| 02:19.26 | abrotman | jbmigel: wrong |
| 02:19.29 | furrywolf | 16 bit is 65536. |
| 02:19.31 | abrotman | !2^16 |
| 02:19.31 | dpkg | well, 2^16 is 65536 :-)) |
| 02:19.33 | spdf | jasoncohen, Its not terribly hard to do it yourself though, its just easier to define each monitor with the fglrx config.. |
| 02:19.37 | Azar | true or false: someone on a forum claims: Discovery2 is a program that detects your hardware and sets it up for you most of the time |
| 02:19.42 | abrotman | jbmigel: you might as well stop now |
| 02:20.03 | furrywolf | azar: true. with emphasis on the fact that "most" only means "greater than 50%". |
| 02:20.10 | spdf | Discovery2? |
| 02:20.12 | abrotman | !2^32 |
| 02:20.12 | dpkg | 34 |
| 02:20.18 | jasoncohen | spdf, ok, i'll do it that way then |
| 02:20.19 | abrotman | dpkg: what the hell was that ? |
| 02:20.24 | jasoncohen | spdf, what drivers did you use? |
| 02:20.30 | abrotman | !2^32 |
| 02:20.30 | dpkg | 34 |
| 02:20.33 | abrotman | uhm |
| 02:20.35 | jasoncohen | i have the 2.6.8.2-386 kernel. would i be ok using the binary driver? |
| 02:20.39 | Skaag_ | abrotman : it was 42 - 8 |
| 02:20.51 | spdf | jasoncohen, There's a very slow rep for deb packages. |
| 02:20.52 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:20.55 | jasoncohen | spdf, these- http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-fglrx-xfree86/index.html |
| 02:20.59 | furrywolf | dpkg: no, 2^32 is 4294967296 |
| 02:20.59 | dpkg | okay, furrywolf |
| 02:21.00 | Azar | furrywolf I am doing aptitude install discovery2 and I get "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "discovery2" |
| 02:21.06 | jasoncohen | spdf, that one, right? |
| 02:21.08 | spdf | jasoncohen, That's them |
| 02:21.09 | abrotman | furrywolf: that's math .. he shouldn't have that in there |
| 02:21.13 | abrotman | !literal 2^32 |
| 02:21.13 | dpkg | 2^32 is 4294967296 |
| 02:21.13 | jasoncohen | spdf, are they safe to use? |
| 02:21.15 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:21.20 | Delph | Baloo: do you get much in the way of updates to that Jargon File wiki thing? |
| 02:21.35 | abrotman | dpkg: forget 2^32 |
| 02:21.36 | dpkg | abrotman: i forgot 2^32 |
| 02:21.39 | jbmigel | abrotman your right i was thinking about 24 bit color... |
| 02:21.41 | abrotman | !2^32 |
| 02:21.41 | jasoncohen | but isn't 32 bit color really 24? |
| 02:21.41 | dpkg | 34 |
| 02:21.46 | abrotman | what the hell is going on |
| 02:21.48 | abrotman | jbmigel: you're |
| 02:21.49 | jasoncohen | !2^24 |
| 02:21.49 | dpkg | 26 |
| 02:21.57 | spdf | jasoncohen, Safe enough. I've never had a problem |
| 02:22.01 | abrotman | oh shit |
| 02:22.04 | abrotman | !2**32 |
| 02:22.04 | dpkg | 4294967296 |
| 02:22.04 | furrywolf | abrotman: I'd say it can't do exponentiation, as a random guess. :P |
| 02:22.05 | jasoncohen | !literal 2^24 |
| 02:22.12 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:22.19 | abrotman | !2**24 |
| 02:22.20 | dpkg | 16777216 |
| 02:22.23 | abrotman | !win me |
| 02:22.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 02:22.26 | abrotman | stupid ^ :) |
| 02:22.32 | furrywolf | !2**12345 |
| 02:22.32 | dpkg | inf |
| 02:22.33 | reo | @find dj bobo .jpg |
| 02:22.34 | spdf | jasoncohen, He jokingly says on his site about the possibility of planted malicious code.. but I imagine its just that, a joke.. |
| 02:22.59 | Azar | what the hell? discovery not known by aptitude? |
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| 02:23.12 | furrywolf | discover, not discovery |
| 02:23.13 | pitillo | spdf: that .deb are generated with alien? |
| 02:23.13 | spdf | Azar, how about discover? |
| 02:23.20 | Azar | oh :) |
| 02:23.30 | spdf | pitillo, I don't think so. The rpm's put things in different places.. |
| 02:23.34 | abrotman | Azar: how many years have you been using debian ? |
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| 02:23.38 | spdf | pitillo, Pretty sure he packages them himself.. |
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| 02:23.48 | jbmigel | abrotman: you're? |
| 02:23.59 | abrotman | jbmigel: homonyms .. |
| 02:24.03 | pitillo | thanks, good to know that |
| 02:24.03 | andrew_ | dose any 1 no how to install files on linux |
| 02:24.05 | quitte | is there a tool to check the permissions and ownership of the files and directories that are installed |
| 02:24.07 | jbmigel | wow |
| 02:24.09 | quitte | ? |
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| 02:24.21 | Skaag_ | grrrr |
| 02:24.21 | shingouz | !irritate andrew_ |
| 02:24.22 | spdf | quitte, ls? |
| 02:24.22 | dpkg | andrew_: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd plz msg me, ugv |
| 02:24.23 | abrotman | andrew_: please .. we speak english here |
| 02:24.24 | factotum | ls -l works pretty well |
| 02:24.30 | furrywolf | andrew: learn to fucking type. I'm not even going to bother fixing the errors in that line. |
| 02:24.33 | pitillo | spdf: i have the .deb generated with alien, and fglrx works fine |
| 02:24.39 | jbmigel | i never met such an ass before who thinks correct spelling/grammer is fun |
| 02:24.42 | quitte | spdf that doesnt tell me permission isnt the way it should be |
| 02:24.50 | abrotman | jbmigel: at least i can do math :) |
| 02:25.10 | spdf | pitillo, Yeh, it works as well. The deb's just take a little less effort.. |
| 02:25.23 | pitillo | spdf: true |
| 02:25.23 | jbmigel | you "you're" whom i speak of |
| 02:25.31 | DerSchotte | !wwsr |
| 02:25.31 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. The current estimate is that it will be released around May 30th. Latest release update: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20050517.234235.d8eac4b7.en.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. Sarge takes too long? ask me about <vancouver> |
| 02:25.36 | spdf | pitillo, I thought you were asking if the stanchina deb's were just alien'd fglrx rpms... |
| 02:25.42 | abrotman | jbmigel: then learn basic grammar |
| 02:25.58 | andrew_ | this is my first time with linux plz help me and how do i install files on linux |
| 02:25.59 | Skaag_ | anyone knows why nfs-user-server can not connect to portmapper if it is not listening on 127.0.0.1? |
| 02:26.04 | abrotman | !plz |
| 02:26.04 | dpkg | from memory, plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 02:26.28 | shingouz | andrew_: what distro you have there? |
| 02:26.30 | spdf | andrew_, What are you trying to install? |
| 02:26.38 | rob_lt | andrew_, are you actually running linux right now? |
| 02:26.46 | andrew_ | any p2p software |
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| 02:26.50 | Azar | abrotman, I have three years and half using Debian mainly in console mode, X is getting to my nerves but I had to do it all |
| 02:26.53 | furrywolf | lol |
| 02:26.54 | spdf | andrew_, giFT is a good bet |
| 02:26.54 | andrew_ | im using ubuntu |
| 02:26.59 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 02:26.59 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story" |
| 02:27.02 | pitillo | spdf: the stanchinas .deb were packaged for this person, and this isnt alien'd rpms no? |
| 02:27.03 | rob_lt | andrew_, join #ubuntu |
| 02:27.03 | abrotman | resiak: you're slacking |
| 02:27.03 | jetscreamer | no there is no bittorrent giFT or *mule |
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| 02:27.09 | furrywolf | this isn't #ubuntu. for help with ubuntu, go to #ubuntu. |
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| 02:27.11 | shingouz | andrew_: in that case you should be on #ubuntu and not on #debian |
| 02:27.24 | andrew_ | ok thanks haeps |
| 02:27.30 | spdf | pitillo, Pardon? |
| 02:27.35 | pitillo | spdf: i understand this (sorry for my english) |
| 02:27.47 | spdf | pitillo, Oh, no problem. I think we're on the same track. |
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| 02:28.36 | pitillo | stanchinas .deb and alien'd rpms are two diferents things? |
| 02:28.38 | Skaag_ | is there a channel where somebody might know why nfs-user-server does not connect to portmapper when the latter is not listening on 127.0.0.1? |
| 02:28.41 | Nigel | jetscreamer: amule is on debian... |
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| 02:29.08 | jetscreamer | no it's not |
| 02:29.08 | spdf | giFT also connects to the mule network, does it now? |
| 02:29.12 | spdf | s/now/not/ |
| 02:29.14 | jetscreamer | giFT isn't either |
| 02:29.20 | spdf | giFT isn't what? |
| 02:29.21 | jetscreamer | and *torrent is deprecated |
| 02:29.27 | jetscreamer | available in linux |
| 02:29.30 | spdf | yes it is |
| 02:29.34 | jetscreamer | no, lies |
| 02:29.34 | Nigel | server:~/debprog# apt-cache search amule |
| 02:29.35 | spdf | I compiled it not more than 20 days ago. |
| 02:29.36 | Nigel | amule - aNOTHER eMule P2P Client |
| 02:29.40 | jetscreamer | LIES |
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| 02:29.46 | spdf | LA LA LA LA LA LA |
| 02:29.54 | prahal | thereis are bittorent client : azureus |
| 02:30.10 | jetscreamer | no, azureus was shut down by the bbb |
| 02:30.16 | jetscreamer | and eaten |
| 02:30.20 | spdf | like a baby. |
| 02:30.30 | prahal | bbb wazzup ? |
| 02:30.35 | Nigel | and iirc there is a package "bittorrent" or sumiliar |
| 02:30.39 | sepen_ | another p2p -> nicotine |
| 02:30.40 | jetscreamer | better biz bureau |
| 02:30.41 | factotum | big blue boogeymen |
| 02:30.47 | jetscreamer | i already said there is no *torrent |
| 02:30.53 | shingouz | not a grue? |
| 02:31.00 | DerSchotte | going to get some sleep now, cya all |
| 02:31.10 | prahal | well hotline then (fidelio) |
| 02:31.13 | sepen_ | Y |
| 02:31.17 | jetscreamer | and you wanna see a big lie? |
| 02:31.21 | spdf | Next he'll tell us that Sasquatch is just a myth.. |
| 02:31.23 | jetscreamer | !info bittornado |
| 02:31.24 | dpkg | bittornado: (bittorrent client with enhanced curses interface), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.11-4 (sid), Packaged size: 148 kB, Installed size: 836 kB |
| 02:31.26 | jetscreamer | ^^huge lie |
| 02:31.28 | prahal | though the server are quite out of date and hard to setup |
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| 02:31.34 | Nigel | http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/amule.html & http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bittorrent.html |
| 02:31.59 | Nigel | the former is actually kept updated pretty well too... |
| 02:32.04 | jetscreamer | bull |
| 02:32.08 | jetscreamer | vaporware |
| 02:32.15 | spdf | Haha.. Geez |
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| 02:32.25 | prahal | iFile :) not yet ! |
| 02:32.32 | prahal | but there are debs in the wild |
| 02:32.37 | ethics | !42 |
| 02:32.37 | dpkg | from memory, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 02:32.40 | oneo | hey everyone - whenever my wireless network disconnects, i have to reboot my computer (i have an ifup wlan0 command in my startup scripts) because my machine is headless...anyone know of a way in debian to monitor the wireless connection and automatically reconnect whenever the connection is lost? |
| 02:33.04 | PenjejakNeraka_ | Hi guys, is there any application/software in debian that can play *.3gp file? |
| 02:33.22 | jetscreamer | what format is it |
| 02:33.23 | Delph | 3gpp |
| 02:33.24 | rob_lt | Isn't 6 * 7 42? |
| 02:33.32 | jetscreamer | !6*7 |
| 02:33.32 | dpkg | 42 |
| 02:33.32 | spdf | oneo, You could create a cron job that maybe pings your base and if it doesn't reply, it ifup's.. |
| 02:33.35 | factotum | depends on the mood |
| 02:33.52 | Delph | PenjejakNeraka_: i think mplayer can play it. |
| 02:33.59 | jasoncohen | spdf, i installed flgrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src but modprobe fglrx says no such driver |
| 02:34.00 | prahal | oneo: had a script in /etc/networks/if-down.d/ ? |
| 02:34.14 | oneo | spdf-ive tried that and it doesnt really work...could you perhaps look at my code? |
| 02:34.23 | useruser | PenjejakNeraka_: google says this may be what you want: http://www.saunalahti.fi/~laakkon1/linux/3650_vid.php |
| 02:34.39 | spdf | oneo, I am not schooled in the ways of script fu, so I may not be much help.. |
| 02:34.41 | PenjejakNeraka_ | Delph; thanks, i just try on RHEL but it didn't work. anyway, i could try to search for more codecs |
| 02:34.52 | PenjejakNeraka_ | useruser; thanks, i'll open it :) |
| 02:34.55 | jetscreamer | jasoncohen: did you see the fglrx factoid? |
| 02:34.57 | rob_lt | !5*5 |
| 02:34.57 | dpkg | 25 |
| 02:34.57 | factotum | hmm, this will be interesting. Jumping from 256M ram to 1G. Wonder if my head will explode or something |
| 02:34.58 | Delph | PenjejakNeraka_: see the 3gpp site for more details. |
| 02:35.06 | jasoncohen | jetscreamer, no |
| 02:35.09 | prahal | or you could set up a cron job to test the connection and ifup/ifdown automagically (i di it when pppoa got mad ) |
| 02:35.24 | jetscreamer | !tell jasoncohen about fglrx |
| 02:35.24 | rob_lt | !e^(-i * Pi) |
| 02:35.46 | jasoncohen | oh, ok |
| 02:35.47 | abrotman | don't break the bot |
| 02:35.52 | rob_lt | come on dpkg, that's an easy one! |
| 02:35.55 | rob_lt | abrotman: :) |
| 02:36.01 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 02:36.01 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 02:36.03 | PenjejakNeraka_ | useruser; nice info. thanks again. i'll try it |
| 02:36.35 | prahal | oneo: why would you reboot ? you can do cut n paste the command from your startup script (or execute the same script) |
| 02:36.44 | spdf | jasoncohen, You compiled the drivers of course right? in /lib/modules/fglrx and then copied the module to /lib/moduls/<kernel> and then do a depmod.. |
| 02:37.08 | oneo | prahal - its headless...i cant control it unless its on the network |
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| 02:37.26 | nn | oneo: cron job is best then |
| 02:37.36 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 02:37.52 | oneo | how do i createa cron job in linux? |
| 02:37.55 | oneo | i mean debian |
| 02:38.13 | useruser | oneo: crontab -e |
| 02:38.19 | prahal | oneo: duh so loosing connection is like pressing the power button ... how could you recover from that ? |
| 02:38.21 | useruser | oneo: and man 5 crontab |
| 02:38.22 | nn | oneo: one sec :) |
| 02:38.42 | jasoncohen | spdf, heh, i should have kept reading. now i'm able to load fglrx |
| 02:38.56 | nn | ping -c 3 ip-address; if [ "$?" != "0" ]; then ifup whatever; done |
| 02:39.20 | nn | That'll send 3 pings, if no replies, it'll give return code of non-zero, which will do your ifup |
| 02:39.31 | useruser | nn: don't you have to ifdown first? |
| 02:39.36 | jetscreamer | hey how do you fix a symlink. i moved some directories to another hd, and i don't want to delete and recreate them all |
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| 02:40.02 | jasoncohen | spdf, it worked! |
| 02:40.07 | useruser | jetscreamer: find + sed + stat ? probably a better way... |
| 02:40.11 | remmy | how do i make the gui start at startup? |
| 02:40.12 | jasoncohen | now to lug my 27" tv to the basement |
| 02:40.29 | nn | useruser: not if it's down already, i'd assume not |
| 02:40.43 | jetscreamer | remmy: install xdm gdm or kdm is one way |
| 02:40.48 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.56 | furrywolf | jason: that's small. I install directv dishes. cables always have to go on the back of the TV. TVs are always in a console or burried under a ton of crap.... |
| 02:40.58 | useruser | nn: *shrug* when my wireless card decides to die, I have to ifdown it first or it won't ifup again |
| 02:41.09 | nn | useruser: duly noted |
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| 02:41.16 | nickv111 | Yay! I got my bridge working! |
| 02:41.27 | WhiteRabbit | goody. |
| 02:41.28 | nickv111 | Phew, finally :D |
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| 02:42.10 | digibox | does anyone know if a plc 286 chip can be replaced with a plc 386 chip or if there are any plc 386 chips? |
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| 02:42.20 | nn | oneo: i'd suggest inserting an appropriate ifdown before the ifup, say ping -c 3 192.168.1.1 || (ifdown eth0; ifup eth0) should do fine |
| 02:42.24 | furrywolf | digibox: no. |
| 02:42.34 | furrywolf | 286 and 386 are very different... |
| 02:42.49 | mwilson | digibox: There were, but no, the one doesn't replace the other. Why would you want to? |
| 02:42.50 | digibox | drats. I wanted to make this laptop run linux |
| 02:43.09 | furrywolf | maybe you should try licking it? :P |
| 02:43.18 | punsad | I'm running woody on some old hardware - my compact flash card+reader doesn't seem to be recognized. It's usb 1.1. I did compile in the modules (kernel 2.4.30). Is there anythingI'm missing? |
| 02:43.25 | nn | oneo: of course, use your interface names and ip :) |
| 02:43.30 | digibox | mwilson, I wanted to get it to at least 386 status so I could install linux |
| 02:43.34 | useruser | digibox: http://tuxmobil.org/286_mobile.html |
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| 02:46.11 | sepen | anyone knows an older workstation from intergraph series 6900? |
| 02:46.34 | sepen | i have one |
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| 02:46.56 | punsad | anyone here able to use compact flash reader with 2.4.30? |
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| 02:47.09 | digibox | thanks useruser |
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| 02:47.20 | jetscreamer | intel used to make cards you put in the isa slot that had a 386 chip on it |
| 02:47.48 | jetscreamer | those'd probably be hard to find nowadays though |
| 02:48.10 | digibox | I have a chip thats labled intel but has the amd logo on it |
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| 02:49.09 | oneo | nn - thanks for all your help...i think i got it working! the syntax was bad in my if statement - your code worked! |
| 02:49.11 | shingouz | digibox: you can find 486 laptops for about 20-50 US if you just look around a bit. makes for a better platform than a 386 |
| 02:49.26 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:49.37 | nn | oneo: the || conditional is nice |
| 02:50.05 | digibox | shingouz, I was only asking cause I want to make most of resources I have available to me |
| 02:50.27 | nn | oneo: It works based on the return value of the previous command, such that ping returns non-zero if the host is down (1 if all pings fail, dont know the return -i'd wager on 1, however- if some fail, and 0 for success |
| 02:50.53 | shingouz | digibox: slap some older version of some unix or maybe os/2 on it for the hell of it |
| 02:51.08 | nn | so the || means that if ping returns non-zero (zero being success), it'll try the next command (ifdown eth0; ifup eth0) in this case |
| 02:51.47 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.50 | digibox | I will slap anything other then microsoft if I could get anything to work on it |
| 02:52.09 | digibox | its a working laptop so I might as well get it to run something |
| 02:52.13 | shingouz | digibox: what is it? |
| 02:52.29 | mwilson | digibox: Run minix on it. |
| 02:52.34 | digibox | zeos 286 |
| 02:52.50 | shingouz | minix would be cool |
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| 02:53.51 | digibox | I already DLed ELKS but will try minix too |
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| 02:55.02 | jazzanova | hi |
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| 02:55.28 | jazzanova | anyone uses subversion ? whats the debian standard for subversion repository ? |
| 02:55.32 | digibox | is 2gb hd too big for a 286? |
| 02:55.45 | nbhoodrat | shouldnt be |
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| 02:56.01 | nickv111 | Hmm, ssh on my server keeps dropping connections |
| 02:56.16 | nickv111 | bash-2.05b$ ssh 192.168.1.6 |
| 02:56.17 | digibox | kk wasnt sure. I know some of the old computers there were bios limitations on HD size |
| 02:56.17 | nickv111 | Connection closed by 192.168.1.6 |
| 02:56.20 | shingouz | digibox: try to keep under the 500M limit and you should be ok |
| 02:56.28 | nbhoodrat | i once had a 486 with a 4 gig drive, but it wasnt a laptop |
| 02:56.29 | nickv111 | It closes the connection immediately |
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| 02:58.57 | bob2 | jazzanova: what do you mean? |
| 02:59.11 | digibox | hmmm maybe I should forget about the zeos laptop then |
| 02:59.46 | nbhoodrat | what were you plannaing on using it for? |
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| 03:00.42 | jazzanova | do i do: svnadmin create /usr/local/svn or svnadmin create /usr/local/svn/myproject ? |
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| 03:01.11 | jazzanova | bob2: ^^ |
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| 03:01.28 | bob2 | you need to read the subversion book |
| 03:01.35 | jazzanova | i am reading it |
| 03:01.37 | bob2 | you can do either, depending on what you want to do |
| 03:01.40 | digibox | nbhoodrat, you asking me what I was planning on useing it for? |
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| 03:02.13 | jazzanova | with cvs, i have /usr/local/cvs |
| 03:02.21 | bob2 | yes, I know |
| 03:02.30 | bob2 | the equivalent would be svnadmin crate /usr/local/svn |
| 03:02.31 | jazzanova | inside it i got 20 projects that i checkout by their name |
| 03:02.41 | jazzanova | bob2: ah.. ok, great. |
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| 03:04.01 | Nigel | make /usr/local/svn, then on a client do a "svn mkdir <whatever to get to that dir>/{proj1,proj2...}/{branches,tags,trunk} - it's something like that, should be in the SVN Book |
| 03:04.02 | jazzanova | as what user should i be running this command ? |
| 03:04.05 | jazzanova | bob2 ? |
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| 03:05.24 | MikeH_ | hi guys, having a problem with htpasswd, wondering if you could help me, getting "htpasswd: could not determine temp dir" |
| 03:05.43 | Glitch_Master | inittab's startup runlevel is 3, but x starts automatically anyway. What's wrong? How do I disable the X starting up auto-nes? |
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| 03:06.11 | shingouz | Glitch_Master: first change the runlevel back to two, then /msg dpkg nodm |
| 03:06.22 | bob2 | jazzanova: whatever user you want to have own the repository |
| 03:06.25 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: no, it's 2 |
| 03:06.26 | Glitch_Master | Thank you... wise one... amazing that you knew already. |
| 03:06.31 | Glitch_Master | 2 |
| 03:06.32 | Glitch_Master | Yes.. |
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| 03:08.51 | Glitch_Master | Amazing. I struggle through a ton of stuff, and all I really wanted was to change the display manager. One line. One file. |
| 03:09.02 | CountZ | if i want a secure box with latest protections, i should stay with stable, right? |
| 03:09.23 | jcook | are there any channels for c programming? |
| 03:09.28 | Delph | #c ? |
| 03:09.31 | CountZ | jcook: #C |
| 03:09.40 | Delph | (suprisingly =:) |
| 03:09.45 | jcook | CountZ: doh |
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| 03:10.54 | Glitch_Master | And now I go poof. |
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| 03:12.42 | Glitch_Master | What was that dpkg thing again? |
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| 03:12.48 | abrotman | CountZ: yes |
| 03:12.50 | Glitch_Master | This didn't work. :P |
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| 03:13.23 | jazzanova | bob2: but for apache to access the repository, i ineed to add www-data user to a svn group ? |
| 03:13.37 | shingouz | !tell Glitch_Master about nodm |
| 03:13.39 | bob2 | if you want to do that, yes |
| 03:14.21 | CountZ | abrotman: ok and is there a kernel i can install easily that contains the grsecurity patches? |
| 03:14.29 | abrotman | CountZ: not that i'm aware of |
| 03:14.34 | CountZ | I see |
| 03:14.37 | abrotman | night folks |
| 03:14.42 | CountZ | well i've compiled my own |
| 03:14.46 | shingouz | nite abrotman |
| 03:14.46 | CountZ | seeya abrotman thanks |
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| 03:14.50 | Glitch_Master | Before I go any further, I had better look into the ham. |
| 03:14.51 | Glitch_Master | Err.. |
| 03:15.04 | shingouz | err? |
| 03:15.09 | Glitch_Master | I had better ask, is fvwm considerably better than GNOME in most aspects? |
| 03:15.10 | CountZ | to err is human |
| 03:15.22 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: define better |
| 03:15.28 | bob2 | it's obviously subjective |
| 03:15.32 | shingouz | Glitch_Master: depends on what you run it on. a 486 and gnome is painful |
| 03:15.56 | Glitch_Master | Yeah. I could envision that. |
| 03:16.07 | buu | Glitch_Master: Ratpoison is superiour to everything. |
| 03:16.20 | Glitch_Master | AMD Athlon XP. |
| 03:16.34 | shingouz | Glitch_Master: should be good for a nice CLI |
| 03:16.37 | Glitch_Master | Resource, stability, and graphical comfort/functionality are the key ingredients. |
| 03:16.45 | Glitch_Master | CLI? |
| 03:16.50 | shingouz | !cli |
| 03:16.50 | dpkg | somebody said cli was a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 |
| 03:16.57 | Delph | Glitch_Master: 'graphical comford/functionality' is again, very subjective. |
| 03:17.02 | WhiteRabbit | define graphical comfort |
| 03:17.16 | jazzanova | if i want to create a user that can't login, do i just do: useradd svn ? |
| 03:17.20 | Delph | do you need to clicky clicky everywhere to do anything? |
| 03:17.21 | Glitch_Master | Tabs and menus within panels that don't disappear, and windows that aren't a pain to move around. |
| 03:17.33 | bob2 | jazzanova: no, adduser, and read the manpage |
| 03:17.40 | buu | Eww, windows. |
| 03:17.53 | Delph | Glitch_Master: uhhm, ok, so what's being a pain to move around? |
| 03:17.55 | shingouz | Glitch_Master: i was about to say a plain desktop with no blingbling but we seem to have different tastes |
| 03:17.58 | Delph | it's *very* subjective. |
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| 03:18.23 | nicodein | jazzanova: set /bin/false as the user's shell |
| 03:18.36 | Glitch_Master | I dislike having to dig through a bunch of windows. If anything, it has to have a menu and tabs. |
| 03:19.11 | buu | Glitch_Master: Ratpoison! |
| 03:19.15 | Delph | Glitch_Master: but what does that have to do with the display manager? |
| 03:19.22 | Glitch_Master | I could probably make aliases for a lot of commands, but I'm lazy as hell. |
| 03:19.27 | nickv111 | Hmm, my ssh server closes any connections before I can enter a password |
| 03:19.34 | nickv111 | Whenever I connect, it disconnects immediately |
| 03:19.40 | nickv111 | ssh -vvv gives me this: |
| 03:19.44 | nickv111 | debug1: Next authentication method: keyboard-interactive |
| 03:19.44 | nickv111 | Connection closed by 192.168.1.6 |
| 03:19.49 | Glitch_Master | Delph, from what I understand, GDM + Anything = Slower than it could be. |
| 03:19.57 | Glitch_Master | This is a claim, anyway. |
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| 03:20.02 | Glitch_Master | Yes, I'm blindly following a claim. |
| 03:20.03 | nickv111 | I am using PAM and challenge-response auth |
| 03:20.03 | useruser | Glitch_Master: ratpoison is quite nice |
| 03:20.13 | Delph | did i mean display manager? i meant window manager =:/ |
| 03:20.18 | useruser | Glitch_Master: i use ratpoison or xfce |
| 03:20.23 | Glitch_Master | Enough with the goddamned ratpoison, unless that's a window manager. -_-; |
| 03:20.28 | Glitch_Master | Oh... |
| 03:20.32 | useruser | Glitch_Master: yes, it's a wm |
| 03:20.32 | Glitch_Master | It IS a window manager. :P |
| 03:20.33 | buu | Glitch_Master: It *is* a window manager. |
| 03:20.39 | buu | useruser: Yay ratpoison! |
| 03:20.39 | useruser | Glitch_Master: ratpoison.sf.net |
| 03:20.48 | Glitch_Master | I thought you actually meant rat poison. |
| 03:20.53 | useruser | Glitch_Master: no |
| 03:20.55 | lexxan | an ugly ass one at that |
| 03:21.02 | Delph | Glitch_Master: just try it, ok? |
| 03:21.02 | jasoncohen | great...now KDE is sitting at "setting up interprocess communications" and it won't finish loading KDE. I had this problem before and it mysteriously went away. |
| 03:21.12 | jasoncohen | what causes these errors and how do i get rid of it? |
| 03:21.19 | Delph | if you want to see what gnome is like, grab an ubuntu livecd; equally kde and knoppix. |
| 03:21.19 | buu | lexxan: Ugly?! |
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| 03:21.30 | lexxan | at least use openbox or something :P |
| 03:21.37 | useruser | buu: yeah, it's ugly. but i like it |
| 03:21.45 | Delph | fwvm/openbox/ratpoision don't tend to take over your system as much, so they can be tried out and removed if you don't like. |
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| 03:21.54 | buu | How on earth can you consider it ugly? There's nothing to look at! |
| 03:22.06 | lexxan | I just use openbox w/ fbpanel |
| 03:22.07 | jazzanova | i am using ratpoison.. |
| 03:22.10 | useruser | buu: C-t w - that's ugly |
| 03:22.16 | lexxan | xfce4 was a buggy POS |
| 03:22.17 | buu | useruser: What, the letters? |
| 03:22.27 | Glitch_Master | ratpoison doesn't have tabs. I want tabs. |
| 03:22.32 | Glitch_Master | I also like to have a bit of style. |
| 03:22.33 | buu | useruser: Maybe you need a better font, or perhaps I'm missunderstanding |
| 03:22.40 | useruser | buu: maybe. |
| 03:22.40 | Delph | tabs in a window manager? |
| 03:22.45 | jasoncohen | now it says- "there was an erorr setting up inter-process communication for KDE. The message returned was. Could not read network connection list. /home/jason/.DCOPserver_jasonsdesktop__0. Please check that the dcopserver is running! |
| 03:22.47 | useruser | buu: anyway, i'm not so bothered. |
| 03:22.47 | buu | Glitch_Master: Pssh, the entire thing is one giant set of tabs |
| 03:22.49 | jazzanova | try ion |
| 03:22.52 | Glitch_Master | In a panel associated... with.. |
| 03:22.58 | Glitch_Master | Eh? |
| 03:23.00 | Delph | like having multiple things in one window? |
| 03:23.13 | Glitch_Master | Kind of... I mean tabs to navigate through each windows. |
| 03:23.14 | rj` | any idea why this wont work? Alias /bots/ "/" in apache2 conf under a virtualhost directive |
| 03:23.16 | Glitch_Master | window* |
| 03:23.26 | Delph | Glitch_Master: do you mean like a taskbar? |
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| 03:23.36 | Glitch_Master | If you're using Windows, you might call it that. |
| 03:23.37 | buu | Delph: He probably means every window can contain multiple windows, much like firefox |
| 03:23.43 | buu | Or.. not |
| 03:23.48 | Delph | tabs are generally assumed to be things that look a lot like amazon.com, or like firefox's tabbars. |
| 03:23.51 | useruser | lexxan: i'm happy with xfce4 (self-compiled, not the debian package) |
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| 03:24.16 | Glitch_Master | Something like those tabs, but I meant on a panel. You've used GNOME. You know what I'm talking about. |
| 03:24.20 | Glitch_Master | Call it a taskbar if you want. |
| 03:24.22 | jasoncohen | what is the dcop server anyways? |
| 03:24.22 | Delph | Glitch_Master: if you're using linux, or anything else, you might call it that. |
| 03:24.29 | Delph | Glitch_Master: tabs are *not* what you're saying they are. |
| 03:24.32 | useruser | Glitch_Master: xfce4 has that |
| 03:24.39 | Glitch_Master | Whatever you might call them. |
| 03:24.40 | Glitch_Master | I dunno. |
| 03:24.43 | Glitch_Master | A taskbar. Fine. |
| 03:24.45 | buu | Taskbars are for lamers =[ |
| 03:24.48 | Delph | Glitch_Master: so install gnome. |
| 03:24.52 | doublehp | any one can return me 'apt-cache search memo' in private plz ? |
| 03:24.55 | Glitch_Master | I'M USING GNOME. |
| 03:24.57 | Delph | happybouncy clicky enviroment. |
| 03:24.59 | Delph | Glitch_Master: sorted then. |
| 03:25.05 | Glitch_Master | Gnome is bloated. |
| 03:25.07 | shivraj | openbox lets u use alt-tab |
| 03:25.10 | Delph | Glitch_Master: well, nerrr |
| 03:25.15 | Delph | that's what you get if you want the happybouncy. |
| 03:25.17 | Glitch_Master | alt-tab requires wrist movement. |
| 03:25.22 | xmp | 4fo45 |
| 03:25.28 | Delph | win-n then |
| 03:25.30 | Glitch_Master | I don't want happy bouncy. I want function and visual appeal. |
| 03:25.38 | Delph | Glitch_Master: then wtf with the taskbar? |
| 03:25.49 | Delph | visual appeal = happy bouncy. |
| 03:25.51 | Glitch_Master | A taskbar allows quick shuffling through windows without going through every single one to reach the target. |
| 03:25.52 | Delph | it kind of defines it. |
| 03:26.06 | lexxan | Glitch_Master, xfce. |
| 03:26.18 | Delph | Glitch_Master: as does multiple workspaces. |
| 03:26.22 | Delph | as do many things. |
| 03:26.23 | lexxan | or openbox w/ fbpanel |
| 03:26.26 | lexxan | now stop talking |
| 03:27.01 | Glitch_Master | Delph: Wrong. If windows are sorted through keys, you have left and right. You do not have "immediately go to this window with the press of a single button regardless of when it was created or where in the list it is" |
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| 03:27.08 | ceci | server irc.cl |
| 03:27.13 | nickv111 | I've even tried generating new keys :( |
| 03:27.21 | Delph | Glitch_Master: but you don't get that with a taskbar. |
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| 03:27.31 | Delph | you get hand to mouse, mouse to point on screen, click. |
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| 03:28.04 | lexxan | Who gives a fuck.. it's a personal preference |
| 03:28.06 | Glitch_Master | Mouse movements are fluid and smooth. |
| 03:28.07 | lexxan | I like a taskbar. |
| 03:28.09 | Delph | heaven help you if they're named the same, or you want more than twenty windows on the screen. |
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| 03:28.12 | doublehp | any one can return me 'apt-cache search memo' in private plz ? |
| 03:28.12 | Delph | Glitch_Master: hahahahahaha |
| 03:28.12 | Delph | hgahahahahah |
| 03:28.15 | Delph | hahaha. |
| 03:28.16 | Glitch_Master | lexxan, thank you. |
| 03:28.25 | spdf | Did I miss a good joke? |
| 03:28.30 | Delph | really, moving to the mouse is the slowest operation. |
| 03:28.33 | useruser | doublehp: you can't do it yourself/ |
| 03:28.35 | useruser | ? |
| 03:28.46 | lexxan | oh no .. it takes 2 seconds more to use a mouse |
| 03:28.50 | lexxan | goto bed. |
| 03:28.55 | doublehp | useruser: no :( no Debian around ... but I need the result for a friend |
| 03:29.07 | useruser | doublehp: ok, but there's a lot of it |
| 03:29.09 | Delph | doublehp: i think dpkg does it. |
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| 03:29.39 | spdf | doublehp, You can search packages on debian.org |
| 03:29.40 | Glitch_Master | Let me put it this way: Would you rather control the aim and directional positioning of a high-speed FPS game like Cube with the mouse or the keyboard? |
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| 03:29.57 | Delph | Glitch_Master: hang on, aren't we talking about taskbars? |
| 03:30.00 | wirwzd | joystick |
| 03:30.07 | Glitch_Master | Not anymore. |
| 03:30.11 | Delph | right. |
| 03:30.15 | Glitch_Master | wirwzd: That wasn't an option. |
| 03:30.30 | Delph | well, since we've totally changed the topic of conversation, the mouse. |
| 03:30.37 | shingouz | nor was the FPS for that matter |
| 03:30.40 | Glitch_Master | Now, it's not entirely different. |
| 03:30.42 | spdf | Mouse for FPS's, if you don't have a decent paddle around for that.. |
| 03:30.47 | Glitch_Master | Why the mouse? |
| 03:30.48 | Delph | Glitch_Master: yes it is. |
| 03:30.53 | shingouz | ..or virtual reality |
| 03:30.54 | lexxan | I prefer to use just the mouse for FPS.. no keyboard |
| 03:30.57 | Glitch_Master | Just listen. |
| 03:30.59 | lexxan | it's good exercise |
| 03:31.00 | wirwzd | if people limited thmselves to the options they were presented where would we be? |
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| 03:31.10 | spdf | lexxan, You can do that? Even for Forward/Back? |
| 03:31.12 | Delph | because fps' require fine control in two dimensions. |
| 03:31.14 | Guerin | mouse+kb for me |
| 03:31.14 | tweak | hi, how do I search a folder full of text files for the word mexicola? |
| 03:31.15 | lexxan | of course |
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| 03:31.24 | lexxan | you have to use a big mouse pad though |
| 03:31.25 | shingouz | wirwzd: running windows |
| 03:31.28 | tweak | I know I need to use grep somehow, but I dont understand it. |
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| 03:31.29 | Delph | however, i'd like to see you get 30wpm in a FPS. |
| 03:31.30 | wirwzd | Billygate's slaves |
| 03:31.30 | Guerin | spdf: got enough buttons on your mouse, you can do anything |
| 03:31.32 | spdf | tweak, grep -i -R 'mexicola' * |
| 03:31.32 | lexxan | like 3x3 feet |
| 03:31.39 | tweak | Thanks spdf |
| 03:31.43 | buu | lexxan: How do you use just the mouse for a fps?! |
| 03:31.46 | spdf | Guerin, I'm way back in the dark ages with my measely 2 button + scrollie.. |
| 03:31.46 | Guerin | tweak: you don't understand grep?? |
| 03:31.54 | Guerin | spdf: me too :) |
| 03:31.54 | lexxan | It moves you back and forth |
| 03:31.57 | Glitch_Master | I'm not going to argue. Nevermind. |
| 03:31.57 | lexxan | or side to side |
| 03:32.06 | buu | lexxan: Then how do you look around? |
| 03:32.08 | wirwzd | shingouz: exactly |
| 03:32.12 | shivraj | how can I set the system time ? |
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| 03:32.22 | lexxan | buu my thumb buttons |
| 03:32.28 | spdf | I've played FPSs using the right mouse button as the strafe modifier.. but its too much work.. |
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| 03:32.30 | buu | spdf: "decent paddle" hehe |
| 03:32.34 | lexxan | my top buttons for up and down |
| 03:32.39 | Guerin | shivraj: man hwclock, man date, man ntpdate |
| 03:32.39 | lexxan | and click the scroll wheel to shoot |
| 03:32.40 | tweak | spdf I just put a > is it searching? will it say search complete? |
| 03:32.41 | buu | lexxan: That sounds awkward. |
| 03:32.43 | spdf | buu, paddle's rock.. :) |
| 03:33.01 | buu | spdf: Not for any video game that's not a street fighter clone |
| 03:33.02 | spdf | tweak, It will list each file containing mexicola, which line, and what the line says |
| 03:33.07 | lexxan | I usually lose |
| 03:33.17 | buu | lexxan: =] |
| 03:33.25 | jasoncohen | anyone get this DCOP server error before? |
| 03:33.40 | spdf | buu, Ahh, I call anything hand held (ie. Xbox controller) a paddle.. |
| 03:33.54 | buu | spdf: Yeah, and they all suck ass for real games |
| 03:33.55 | tweak | spdf yes sorry I put a " instead of ' works good now. |
| 03:34.08 | spdf | tweak, Go team apostrophe.. |
| 03:34.45 | karamelos | hi, anyone using a 3c590/3c900 series NIC? |
| 03:34.45 | tweak | ? |
| 03:34.55 | dondelelcaro | karamelos: just ask your question |
| 03:34.56 | lexxan | does anyone know how to edit fbpanel |
| 03:34.56 | shingouz | !polls |
| 03:34.56 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 03:35.00 | Guerin | xbox controllers are better than ps2 controllers, but they still suck for anything precise |
| 03:35.06 | spdf | tweak, the -R is for recursive, it'll go into each directory. You don't need that if you only want the current directory searched |
| 03:35.28 | spdf | PS2 controllers don't have enough weight for me |
| 03:35.36 | mwilson | lexxan: Anyone bothering to read the documentation does... your excuse? |
| 03:35.37 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: I just wish the stupid thumb thingies wouldn't loose their rubber caps all the time |
| 03:35.41 | buu | spdf: They don't have enough precision for me |
| 03:35.56 | lexxan | mwilson, ignored. |
| 03:35.59 | spdf | and when I get real into it, and the palms are sweating, they slip out of my hands if I'm not on the shoulder buttons.. |
| 03:36.00 | karamelos | since kernel 2.6.12 my 3c590/3c900 series NIC module does not get a connection at boot time. Then I can connect manually with ifup eth0. |
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| 03:36.27 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah. I've never used one for long enough :) |
| 03:36.29 | dondelelcaro | karamelos: anything interesting in dmesg? |
| 03:36.31 | mwilson | Guess he's too special for that. |
| 03:36.36 | nicodein | how to make an initrd.img ? I tried mkinitrd -o initrd.img but I can't find the output file |
| 03:36.36 | shingouz | karamelos: make it autoload by putting it into /etc/modules |
| 03:36.46 | Guerin | mwilson: fsvo special |
| 03:36.48 | karamelos | shingouz, it already is there. |
| 03:37.01 | spdf | mwilson, Documentation is for the lesser folk.. |
| 03:37.17 | shingouz | hm. in that case i will go to sleep now, i sure could use a few hours |
| 03:37.20 | spdf | karamelos, Is the module loaded atleast on boot? |
| 03:37.31 | Guerin | documentation is for anyone who actually wants to know what they're doing |
| 03:37.31 | karamelos | dondelelcaro, DHCSERVER fails to get a connection, it tries several time before givin up. |
| 03:37.38 | Nigel | Documentation is for the folks still finding their way to debian ;) |
| 03:37.48 | karamelos | spdf, yes, it is reported as loaded. |
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| 03:38.12 | dondelelcaro | karamelos: and it works once the machine has been on for a while? |
| 03:38.17 | P8ntKid | can anybody help me with a floppy |
| 03:38.23 | P8ntKid | i get this error mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/floppy, missing codepage or other error |
| 03:38.26 | P8ntKid | when i try to mount it |
| 03:38.35 | Guerin | P8ntKid: http://images.google.com |
| 03:38.40 | karamelos | dondelelcaro, it works once I boot into Gnome and issue ifup eth0 in a console. |
| 03:38.51 | spdf | Guerin, Oh. Give him the other link. :) |
| 03:38.54 | dondelelcaro | karamelos: I'd guess that it's booting fast enough so the spanning tree hasn't finished enabling the port. What type of switch are you plugged into? |
| 03:39.09 | Guerin | spdf: don't know what link you're on about, sorry. |
| 03:39.27 | karamelos | dondelelcaro, mmm, I have a fixed wireless connection. |
| 03:39.37 | dondelelcaro | wha? |
| 03:39.41 | spdf | Guerin, Ahh, the floppiesarefrigginobsolete.com link.. |
| 03:39.42 | karamelos | dondelelcaro, it is a wireless LAN. |
| 03:39.45 | dondelelcaro | karamelos: uh, the 3c590's are not wireless cards |
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| 03:39.59 | spdf | P8ntKid, What is the diskete formatted as? |
| 03:40.09 | Guerin | spdf: oh. |
| 03:40.19 | karamelos | dondelelcaro, I know that!, my NIC connects into a special modem, which in turn connects to the external antenna. |
| 03:40.27 | Guerin | !pity people who use floppies |
| 03:40.28 | dpkg | I pity da fool people who use floppies! |
| 03:40.32 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: it was fbsplash that cause mol not to start. i compile an exact kernel without fbsplash and works. )= |
| 03:40.39 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: blech |
| 03:41.04 | dondelelcaro | karamelos: so then how long does it take for your "special modem" to link up? |
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| 03:41.32 | karamelos | about 3 seconds since it starts quering the DHCP server usually. |
| 03:41.56 | spdf | "Its all wireless, its really new, you don't need wires or anything..." "Do you have a wireless card?" "What's that?" |
| 03:42.21 | spdf | Best day on tech support ever.. |
| 03:42.53 | dondelelcaro | riiight... the modem shouldn't be quering the DHCP server. |
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| 03:43.12 | karamelos | dondelelcaro, it doesn't, my NIC does that. |
| 03:43.39 | dondelelcaro | karamelos: well, it obviously takes longer than 3 seconds to link up if you can't get a response from the dhcp server instantly. |
| 03:44.15 | dondelelcaro | karamelos: do the following experiment: 1) unplug the computer. 2) wait 2-5 minutes 3) plug in the computer while pinging 4) see how long it takes for the link to come back up. |
| 03:44.42 | karamelos | dondelelcaro, I am shure it is a module issue, in 2.6.12 the module for my nic is now associated with other module called mii. |
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| 03:45.11 | dondelelcaro | karamelos: the mii module just is used for determining which device on the card you want to use to connect to. |
| 03:45.35 | dondelelcaro | if you think that's it, check using mii-tool what the card is configured to use at start. |
| 03:46.10 | dondelelcaro | however, there's nothing really different between running an ifup eth0; in a console, and running ifup eth0; at boot, save the time differential. |
| 03:46.19 | karamelos | dondelelcaro, this mii module was not present in previous kernels and I think is the trouble maker here, or may be is my nic module which got bugged. |
| 03:46.34 | dondelelcaro | probably not frankly... |
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| 03:49.58 | useruser | shivraj: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 03:50.00 | useruser | shivraj: and tzconfig |
| 03:50.06 | useruser | karamelos: nah, only losers use those cards |
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| 03:58.42 | stupidkid | hey |
| 03:58.45 | stupidkid | can someone help me |
| 03:58.53 | deadcat | stupidkid: just ask |
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| 03:59.03 | stupidkid | after i compile kernel 2.10.11 i got kernel panic |
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| 03:59.09 | deadcat | stupidkid: you know the drill. not the first time we tell you to just ask |
| 03:59.16 | stupidkid | :D |
| 03:59.19 | deadcat | stupidkid: why do you want to compile? |
| 03:59.19 | stupidkid | ok |
| 03:59.27 | stupidkid | because i like new kernel |
| 03:59.34 | deadcat | stupidkid: then you're on your own. |
| 03:59.41 | stupidkid | here is the error |
| 04:00.07 | deadcat | stupidkid: whats the diff between your new compiled kernel and 2.6.8? |
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| 04:00.11 | stupidkid | Please append a correct "root =" boot option |
| 04:00.16 | stupidkid | yeah |
| 04:00.37 | stupidkid | i can't get ipv6 (6to4) in kernel 2.8 |
| 04:00.42 | stupidkid | 2.6.8 |
| 04:00.48 | jdhutchin1 | yeah, you can |
| 04:00.58 | stupidkid | cant |
| 04:01.00 | stupidkid | i tried it |
| 04:01.03 | deadcat | stupidkid: theres you go. yes you can |
| 04:01.19 | jdhutchin1 | you were doing something wrong, compiling a new kernel isn't going to solve your problems |
| 04:01.23 | shivraj | how do I install the module to get my sound card to work ? |
| 04:01.41 | jdhutchin1 | shivraj, alsaconf |
| 04:01.49 | stupidkid | tun6to4 Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4 |
| 04:01.49 | stupidkid | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.49 | stupidkid | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.49 | stupidkid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:01.54 | deadcat | stupid |
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| 04:02.00 | rixth | How can I see what aplications are using a filesystem? I can't umount it. |
| 04:02.00 | stupidkid | :D |
| 04:02.04 | stupidkid | you see it |
| 04:02.15 | stupidkid | ? |
| 04:02.16 | deadcat | rixth: lsof or fuser |
| 04:02.19 | spdf | Aaaa.. Sick.. Just opened a beer without carbonation and took a swig.. |
| 04:02.24 | useruser | !till shivraj about sound |
| 04:02.31 | useruser | !tell shivraj about sound |
| 04:02.35 | stupidkid | it's not working |
| 04:02.48 | stupidkid | i can't connect to ipv6 server |
| 04:02.48 | spdf | Rotten beer sucks the bag.. |
| 04:02.53 | stupidkid | and no one can ping me |
| 04:03.10 | rixth | What is gam_serve? |
| 04:03.14 | stupidkid | i'm not behind firewall or router |
| 04:03.30 | stupidkid | i think it effected by the kernel |
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| 04:03.59 | deadcat | stupidkid: they why not just get 2.6.10 from sid. |
| 04:04.08 | nicodein | stupidkid: I got the same error when I tried to compile my own kernel : append a correct root=... I've searching for two days, and didn't solve |
| 04:04.09 | stupidkid | oh |
| 04:04.14 | Solet-deb | lol: he just told us his ip then declairs that he's not behind a firewall or router, he's flooded the channel.... does he want to get pwned |
| 04:04.15 | stupidkid | lol |
| 04:04.15 | nicodein | :( |
| 04:04.16 | stupidkid | haha |
| 04:04.17 | stupidkid | :D |
| 04:04.19 | spdf | rixth, its a binary for gamin |
| 04:04.25 | stupidkid | maybe sarge sucks |
| 04:04.28 | stupidkid | :D |
| 04:04.34 | spdf | rixth, http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/ |
| 04:04.41 | deadcat | why in the fuck do you guys think you need to compile a kernel anyway? so you can be 1337? jesus. |
| 04:04.48 | spdf | stupidkid, or maybe you can compile a kernel... |
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| 04:05.02 | nicodein | deadcat: learning ? |
| 04:05.05 | Solet-deb | spdf: s/can/can't |
| 04:05.12 | deadcat | nicodein: learn to use the fucking system first. |
| 04:05.16 | stupidkid | i can compile kernel |
| 04:05.18 | rixth | spdf, I shall kill it then |
| 04:05.24 | spdf | Solet-deb, can't what? |
| 04:05.24 | Solet-deb | stupidkid: obviously not |
| 04:05.26 | deadcat | stupidkid: ya. ones that dont work. |
| 04:05.35 | nicodein | deadcat: how so ? |
| 04:05.40 | spdf | Solet-deb, oooooh. Thanks for the fix. :) |
| 04:05.48 | Solet-deb | "stupidkid, or maybe you can compile a kernel" he can't |
| 04:05.50 | Solet-deb | :P |
| 04:06.05 | deadcat | nicodein: learn how a system work before anything. |
| 04:06.12 | stupidkid | yeah:D |
| 04:06.34 | shivraj | I wish eterm could have the same font as XbitchX |
| 04:06.39 | useruser | stupidkid: you should try gentoo. that way you'll really learn how a system works |
| 04:06.40 | nicodein | deadcat: and how can I know I know enough to access the kernel lessons ? |
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| 04:06.46 | ticktoc | gnome channel complete useless so guess i'll try here... EMail.. Balsa.. I need to change the msg status from unread to read on a BUNCH (like over 800) and I can't find a damn thing anywhere in the menus or button clicks... Is there any Balsa users here that might have an answer? |
| 04:06.50 | stupidkid | Solet-deb: if you want to get your kernel to work use lilo |
| 04:06.59 | stupidkid | Solet-deb, you use grub? |
| 04:07.18 | Solet-deb | stupidkid: i use grub i dont compile my own kernels... i'm making fun of you... |
| 04:07.20 | stupidkid | where do i get 2.6.8.10? |
| 04:07.27 | Solet-deb | stupidkid: the internet |
| 04:07.27 | stupidkid | oh |
| 04:07.32 | stupidkid | haha |
| 04:07.50 | deadcat | nicodein: if you cant get a kernel to work. isnt that a sign that you arent ready? |
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| 04:08.11 | useruser | ticktoc: run mutt on the mailbox? |
| 04:08.22 | deadcat | stupidkid: < 2.6.11 dont have the last dot. |
| 04:08.23 | rixth | What package do I need to allow File Roller to support rars? unrar doesn't work, nor does unrar-nonfree |
| 04:08.31 | Solet-deb | deadcat: sorta like if a virgin is about to get laid and he gets so nervous he cant get..... nvm |
| 04:08.38 | nicodein | deadcat: I have upgraded my kernel to 2.6.11 with the image |
| 04:08.39 | deadcat | stupidkid: but try packages.debian.org |
| 04:08.50 | nicodein | the 2.6.11 kernel is working |
| 04:09.01 | ticktoc | will Pine work with a maildir format mailbox? |
| 04:09.01 | stupidkid | what kernel you are using? |
| 04:09.01 | deadcat | Solet-deb: HAHAHA. |
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| 04:09.15 | spdf | Solet-deb, Nice. :) |
| 04:09.37 | stupidkid | deadcat, why you laughing so hard |
| 04:09.39 | useruser | ticktoc: apt-get install mutt |
| 04:09.40 | stupidkid | :) |
| 04:09.52 | deadcat | stupidkid: not that hard. |
| 04:10.02 | stupidkid | :) |
| 04:10.14 | stupidkid | i want to get my ipv6 to work |
| 04:10.16 | stupidkid | can you help me |
| 04:10.24 | deadcat | i dont know ipv6 |
| 04:10.30 | stupidkid | let me paste my ifconfig |
| 04:10.36 | shivraj | jdhutchin1 : alsa didnt find my sound card |
| 04:10.38 | spdf | stupidkid, pastebin it.. |
| 04:10.48 | shivraj | I have an ibm t20 |
| 04:10.53 | nicodein | stupidkid: learn system without ethernet before trying to make a network |
| 04:10.54 | nicodein | ;) |
| 04:10.55 | shivraj | crystal sound card I think |
| 04:11.08 | ticktoc | useruser... guess i could but then that still leaves me with the same problem... every day i get tons of emails from debian-user ml and would like to use my balsa to chang the status of all the ones i don't or can't read.. |
| 04:11.23 | Solet-deb | shivraj: lspci... tell us what it really is |
| 04:11.26 | stupidkid | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/lEIeDQ26.html <<< this is my ifconfig |
| 04:11.33 | stupidkid | can someone help me get ipv6 working,? |
| 04:11.37 | spdf | shivraj, cs461x |
| 04:11.42 | stupidkid | the tunnel is up but i can't ping6 address |
| 04:11.51 | spdf | shivraj, a little googlin'... http://mr.uue.org/gnulinux/t20/#sound |
| 04:11.57 | useruser | ticktoc: this page http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html seems to indicate that it'd be easy to write a script to add the right header to a loads of emails |
| 04:12.05 | shivraj | 0000:00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01) |
| 04:12.12 | Solet-deb | stupidkid: listen to what deadcat fucking told you.... he may have a goofy ass nick, but he knows his shit better than 95% of this channel |
| 04:12.14 | useruser | ticktoc: or you could use procmail or something depending on how your mail is delivered |
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| 04:12.29 | stupidkid | what did he told me? |
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| 04:12.42 | ticktoc | maybe the script would be a good investment in time.. |
| 04:12.46 | ticktoc | i'll check it out.. |
| 04:12.50 | stupidkid | Solet-deb, he said he doesnt know ipv6 |
| 04:12.51 | spdf | stupidkid, who? |
| 04:12.57 | deadcat | Solet-deb: thats greycat. i only know 20% (= |
| 04:12.59 | stupidkid | deadcat |
| 04:13.00 | shivraj | I am using the stock kernel, woody, do I have to recompile or can I install a module ? I see something at startup abt the sound card |
| 04:13.09 | stupidkid | deadcat is greycat? |
| 04:13.10 | Solet-deb | deadcat: you're so humble |
| 04:13.13 | Solet-deb | !deadcat++ |
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| 04:13.24 | stupidkid | greycat is cool |
| 04:13.32 | stupidkid | are you greycat deadcat? |
| 04:13.33 | aFlag | how do i list the contents of an installed package? |
| 04:13.38 | useruser | aFlag: dpkg -L |
| 04:13.47 | deadcat | no dammit. grey is NOT dead... |
| 04:13.54 | aFlag | it doesn't seem to work |
| 04:13.56 | stupidkid | haha |
| 04:14.00 | stupidkid | he's not |
| 04:14.00 | curzde | what is the math library used for gcc? |
| 04:14.04 | spdf | aFlag, dpkg -L <PACKAGE> |
| 04:14.09 | useruser | aFlag: schade |
| 04:14.17 | aFlag | yes, that's what i'm doing |
| 04:14.18 | Solet-deb | stupidkid: or listen to what nicodein told you that may be better advice, less helpful but better in the long run |
| 04:14.25 | spdf | aFlag, paste the command you're using.. |
| 04:14.26 | aFlag | oh, i found out the problem, nevermind |
| 04:14.41 | stupidkid | Solet-deb, they're not help me |
| 04:14.55 | nicodein | Solet-deb: that was irony ;) |
| 04:15.33 | aFlag | i thought the package was installed but it was not :-/ |
| 04:15.33 | Solet-deb | nocodein: ROFL |
| 04:15.33 | stupidkid | i think Solet-deb is making fun of me |
| 04:15.33 | nicodein | :p |
| 04:15.33 | stupidkid | :D |
| 04:15.33 | spdf | aFlag, Ahhh. That'll do 'er.. |
| 04:15.33 | Solet-deb | omfg: i got through to him |
| 04:15.33 | Solet-deb | he understood what i said to him |
| 04:15.42 | stupidkid | hehe |
| 04:15.43 | Solet-deb | nicodein: i'm gonna steal what you said real quick |
| 04:16.00 | useruser | nooo. stop word theif |
| 04:16.00 | nicodein | I expected that |
| 04:16.06 | spdf | shivraj, Is that link helping you out? |
| 04:16.09 | Solet-deb | stupidkid: learn system without ethernet before trying to make a network |
| 04:16.24 | stupidkid | i just want to get ipv6 working |
| 04:16.25 | spdf | Solet-deb, tell me you're paraphrasing... |
| 04:16.28 | stupidkid | :( |
| 04:16.44 | Solet-deb | spdf: if ctrl+c paraphrases things :P |
| 04:17.11 | spdf | Solet-deb, I thought I read that before, I didn't understand it then either.. |
| 04:17.50 | floppyears | hi guys |
| 04:18.03 | floppyears | is there a good index search for linux like googlesearch desktop for windows ? |
| 04:18.13 | stupidkid | hehe |
| 04:18.19 | Solet-deb | stupidkid: ipv6 works just fine, its a network protocol, what the fuck you are trying to do with it is the problem and i dont think you've even specified that yet |
| 04:18.33 | stupidkid | yeah |
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| 04:18.41 | spdf | F-Bombs flying all over this mother. |
| 04:18.50 | stupidkid | i dont' know why i can't ping an ipv6 address Solet-deb |
| 04:18.54 | stupidkid | the tunnel is up |
| 04:18.58 | spdf | floppyears, Not that I can think of.. |
| 04:19.13 | Solet-deb | spff: it my favorite fucking word do you have a fucking problem with that? :P |
| 04:19.22 | floppyears | spdf: thanks :( |
| 04:19.35 | Solet-deb | stupidkid: you're doing it wrong |
| 04:19.39 | stupidkid | oh |
| 04:19.39 | spdf | Solet-deb, No problems. Just commenting on the level of usage.. |
| 04:19.49 | spdf | These eyes have seen worse ;) |
| 04:19.52 | stupidkid | which is wrong Solet-deb ? |
| 04:19.56 | Solet-deb | spdf: :P |
| 04:20.04 | Solet-deb | stupidkid fiik |
| 04:20.11 | stupidkid | huh? |
| 04:20.11 | spdf | stupidkid, How did you compile your kernel? |
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| 04:20.16 | stupidkid | oh |
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| 04:20.30 | Solet-deb | fiik == [censored for spdf] if i know |
| 04:20.34 | stupidkid | first i make xconfig |
| 04:20.35 | stupidkid | then |
| 04:20.49 | stupidkid | go throught all the configure for my machine |
| 04:20.52 | stupidkid | make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install && make install |
| 04:20.56 | stupidkid | then that |
| 04:21.02 | bluefox83 | when i try to unmount my cdrom, with umount -f /cdrom it says device is busy..how to i force it to open (pushing th ebutton on the cdrom wont work either) |
| 04:21.05 | stupidkid | it compiles fine |
| 04:21.11 | stupidkid | then i do update-grub |
| 04:21.16 | stupidkid | then it won't boot hahhaa |
| 04:21.18 | deadcat | stupidkid: theres your freakin problem. |
| 04:21.19 | stupidkid | kernel panic |
| 04:21.21 | doleyb | bluefox83: lsof|grep /cdrom |
| 04:21.22 | stupidkid | :D |
| 04:21.36 | stupidkid | deadcat, show me |
| 04:21.37 | spdf | stupidkid, and the error was "root =" option or something, right? |
| 04:21.44 | stupidkid | yeah |
| 04:21.46 | deadcat | !debian kernel |
| 04:21.46 | dpkg | well, debian kernel is see kp |
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| 04:21.56 | deadcat | !tell stupidkid about kp |
| 04:21.57 | nicodein | stupidkid: "this is black magic" ;) |
| 04:21.59 | spdf | Goog 'ol kernel-package.. |
| 04:22.15 | stupidkid | it says please append a correct "root= " boot option |
| 04:22.17 | stupidkid | something |
| 04:22.18 | stupidkid | i forgot |
| 04:22.32 | bluefox83 | doleyb, and..that was suppose to accomplish..what? |
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| 04:22.52 | stupidkid | holy cow |
| 04:22.56 | stupidkid | i didn't build build-essential |
| 04:23.03 | stupidkid | do you think that was my problem? |
| 04:23.12 | spdf | bluefox83, That'll tell you what's using the cdrom.. |
| 04:23.18 | Solet-deb | stupidkid: you assume you only have one? |
| 04:23.24 | spdf | bluefox83, So you can close it. |
| 04:23.31 | stupidkid | Solet-deb, i dont know :( |
| 04:23.47 | bluefox83 | heh..i was still in the directory..hehe |
| 04:23.58 | Solet-deb | stupidkid: i'm not just talking about your AWOL kernel :) |
| 04:24.05 | spdf | bluefox83, Guess that solves that problem then 'eh... |
| 04:24.20 | stupidkid | What is AWOL mean? |
| 04:24.31 | bluefox83 | spdf, yeah, now lets see if i can get doom3 to run in linux :D |
| 04:24.34 | Solet-deb | omg i need food i've been up for 36 hours strait and i've only had a cheeseburger |
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| 04:24.38 | deadcat | !awol |
| 04:24.38 | dpkg | from memory, awol is Absent WithOut Leave; a military term. |
| 04:24.46 | stupidkid | haha |
| 04:24.47 | Solet-deb | stupidkid: absent with out leave its a military term |
| 04:24.51 | spdf | bluefox83, Have fun, its a good time... |
| 04:24.52 | stupidkid | cool |
| 04:24.54 | tga | is it possible to have grub boot from an usb-storage device if the machine can't boot from usb? |
| 04:25.02 | tga | or lilo for that matter |
| 04:25.06 | Solet-deb | hey dpkg has a factoid... thats good to know i was getting ready to make one for it :P |
| 04:25.07 | stupidkid | let me try to recompile my kernel again |
| 04:25.10 | deadcat | tga: no |
| 04:25.13 | stupidkid | i hope it works this time |
| 04:25.22 | Solet-deb | stupidkid: no |
| 04:25.22 | spdf | dpkg has a factoid for everything.. |
| 04:25.30 | Solet-deb | do or do not, there is no try |
| 04:25.32 | nicodein | stupidkid: I bet it won't |
| 04:25.36 | spdf | stupidkid, try it with make-kpkg... |
| 04:25.38 | nicodein | ;) |
| 04:25.51 | stupidkid | it wont work? |
| 04:26.00 | stupidkid | why you're so sure ;) |
| 04:26.06 | nicodein | I'm pessimistic :) |
| 04:26.07 | spdf | stupidkid, He has his sources. |
| 04:26.21 | stupidkid | oh hehe |
| 04:26.25 | Solet-deb | spdf: judgement of character isnt a 'source' |
| 04:26.58 | Solet-deb | stupidkid: i bet you 10 bux it wont work |
| 04:27.02 | nicodein | stupidkid: anyway I can't wait for your issues |
| 04:27.26 | Solet-deb | nicodein: i have faith in the boy i bet you 5 bux it will work |
| 04:27.30 | bluefox83 | stupidkid, why exactly would you assume that a system that can't boot from usb could somehow magically boot from a usb storage device? |
| 04:27.43 | spdf | bluefox83, act of god |
| 04:28.15 | nicodein | Solet-deb: if it works I give you 5 euros |
| 04:28.17 | nicodein | ;) |
| 04:28.19 | bluefox83 | spdf, if god cared about computer woa's i'd be an expert computer programmer by now..lol |
| 04:28.25 | nicodein | that's even more |
| 04:28.32 | bluefox83 | 5 euros! that's like..12 bucks! |
| 04:28.33 | Solet-deb | hehe |
| 04:28.39 | nicodein | bluefox83: right ;) |
| 04:28.40 | tga | deadcat: I imagine keeping the kernel on a separate /boot and the root filesystem on usb would work |
| 04:28.44 | Solet-deb | no its about 6.5 bux us |
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| 04:28.53 | bluefox83 | oh.. |
| 04:29.07 | nicodein | yeah just a little more |
| 04:29.09 | deadcat | tga: let us know |
| 04:29.26 | Solet-deb | nicodein: i havent been to europa for almost 2 years :P |
| 04:29.44 | Solet-deb | 1 euro was about 1.18usd last time i was there |
| 04:29.50 | Solet-deb | i assumed about 1.5ish now |
| 04:30.07 | Solet-deb | oops guess that'd make it 7.5 :P |
| 04:30.13 | bluefox83 | uhm.. |
| 04:30.13 | spdf | 1.59 for me... |
| 04:30.23 | Solet-deb | wow |
| 04:30.24 | bluefox83 | you realise the US dollar is dropping in value right? |
| 04:30.32 | Solet-deb | bluefox83: yes |
| 04:30.41 | Solet-deb | thus why i added 32 cents |
| 04:30.42 | deadcat | bluefox83: ya. thank god i dont have much. |
| 04:30.50 | bluefox83 | lol deadcat |
| 04:31.08 | Solet-deb | usd is almost like the fuckin franc was before they went to euros.... multicolored toilet paper... |
| 04:31.14 | deadcat | bluefox83: hehe. so basically i dont have much to loose while poeple cry like bitches |
| 04:31.24 | bluefox83 | am waiting to save a few thousand so i can move to england or scotland..where money is worth more :P |
| 04:31.35 | nicodein | Solet-deb: and that was useless |
| 04:31.46 | spdf | I was in the us last week at a crappy McD's and they wouldn't give me more than $.40 on the dollar for Canadian.. huge rip off.. |
| 04:31.54 | nicodein | wasting money for something that disappeared soon after |
| 04:31.54 | dav | I see the new exim package has introduced more placeholders (like MAIN_TRUSTED_USERS). Is there a canonical place to define them? |
| 04:31.56 | jla | Is there a good search engine for code/path type stuff? For example, df -h gives me an error about not finding /.dev mount on one of my systems. Searching for "/.dev" does not pull up that exact string or as a first match on Google. |
| 04:31.59 | bluefox83 | US money is worth less..but i hope to make more when i get there |
| 04:32.18 | deadcat | spdf: why would you want to eat at those shtty places? |
| 04:32.37 | Solet-deb | us money is not worth less than the franc was when it went out... the franc was worth 17 cents... cause it was about 6f to the usd |
| 04:32.38 | stupidkid | GRUB is installed. To automatically switch to new kernels, point your |
| 04:32.39 | stupidkid | default entry in menu.lst to /boot/arch/i386/boot/bzImage-2.6.11.10 |
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| 04:33.15 | spdf | deadcat, It was the worst restaurant experience I've ever had. The table wobbled atleast six inches on each side, my chair legs weren't even, and they kicked us out after 25mins becuase we we're loitering (we had just finished eating..) |
| 04:33.22 | deadcat | stupidkid: you are soo leet |
| 04:33.35 | spdf | deadcat, mind you, to call a McD's a restaurant is a stretch.. |
| 04:33.37 | stupidkid | hahaha |
| 04:34.03 | deadcat | spdf: exactly. i havent been there for years. |
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| 04:34.19 | dav | any one cares to chime in on my exim question ? :-) |
| 04:34.39 | spdf | deadcat, you're definitely not missing anything |
| 04:34.47 | deadcat | spdf: i know that (= |
| 04:38.21 | spdf | Its pretty sad when my "file server" can't push out much more than 1mb/s |
| 04:38.29 | doleyb | spdf: what kind of idiot slows down to eat INSIDE an mcd? Even going inside = mistake. |
| 04:38.40 | deadcat | spdf: haha. not much of a file server then. |
| 04:39.58 | spdf | doleyb, Well, call me an idiot I 'spose :) |
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| 04:40.21 | dserban | Any reason why a USB mouse would go nuts? Is it hardware? Or is it possible that it uses some strange protocol? |
| 04:40.22 | spdf | doleyb, It was in Buffalo if that says anything.. |
| 04:40.37 | deadcat | dserban: strange protocol |
| 04:40.54 | dserban | deadcat, ok, I'll look it up for my particular model. |
| 04:41.00 | rixth | What package do I need to allow File Roller to support rars? unrar doesn't work, nor does unrar-nonfree |
| 04:41.14 | deadcat | rar? |
| 04:41.29 | spdf | rixth, Weird, they worked for me.. |
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| 04:41.58 | spdf | rixth, but really, I dont remember if unrar worked or not.. |
| 04:42.17 | ardy | is there a script that updates the gcc and associated links to the newest version of gcc installed? |
| 04:42.47 | rixth | spdf, the kind of thing I've become to expect from Linux in general. Works for some, not for others. |
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| 04:43.01 | spdf | rixth, I'm pretty sure it worked for me though |
| 04:43.06 | sean_micken | hmm |
| 04:43.15 | sean_micken | my scroll lock doesn't turn on.. ideas why? |
| 04:43.23 | spdf | rixth, Its been awhile since I've used gnome |
| 04:43.39 | spdf | sean_micken, because you touch yourself at night. |
| 04:43.49 | shivraj | does the stock kernel come with soundcore support ? |
| 04:44.02 | sean_micken | spdf: ohhh... well, that would explain it. |
| 04:44.08 | sean_micken | spdf: thanks man! |
| 04:44.30 | spdf | sean_micken, Anytime. Tip your waitress. |
| 04:45.58 | rixth | spdf, turns out I need unrar AND rar. |
| 04:46.06 | rixth | (That really should be fixed in the package,) |
| 04:47.03 | spdf | rixth, Ahh, I guess it kind of makes sense.. |
| 04:48.48 | stupidkid | i dont think i like grub :D |
| 04:48.53 | stupidkid | lilo is cool |
| 04:49.03 | spdf | They both have their merits.. |
| 04:49.43 | poli | stupidkid: I am on lilo myself. :) But grub surely has its uses... |
| 04:49.53 | stupidkid | ehehe |
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| 04:52.24 | nicodein | stupidkid: so did you succeed ? |
| 04:52.36 | nicodein | erf |
| 04:52.46 | Azar | can anyone help me understand what "emerge" command replica is in Debian? I know gentoo users have this... how does it replicates in Debian? |
| 04:53.03 | deadcat | apt-get |
| 04:53.09 | deadcat | replica? HAHHAHAH |
| 04:53.21 | Azar | I need to enter env ALSA_CARDS='via82xx' emerge alsa driver |
| 04:53.38 | Azar | oh thanks deadcat |
| 04:53.39 | deadcat | Azar: we not none of those here. |
| 04:53.43 | quitte | wtf. no source package found for cfdisk |
| 04:54.03 | Azar | deadcat I know but I am trying to solve my alsa issue in Debian and I read that line on a forum |
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| 04:54.29 | deadcat | quitte: util-linux |
| 04:54.54 | quitte | deadcat thanks |
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| 04:59.14 | Skrylar | hi everyone |
| 05:00.25 | Azar | your head blows to see how many hacks mushroom out there trying to fix the buggy alsa |
| 05:00.49 | Skrylar | when did alsa get buggy all the sudden? |
| 05:01.01 | Skrylar | o |
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| 05:01.08 | Skrylar | (err didnt mean to type o) |
| 05:01.50 | Azar | Skrylar if youd google with my bootup error : no cards found even though there are modules and cards listed correctly, you will be amazed how many people are complaining about it |
| 05:02.21 | Skrylar | Azar: hm |
| 05:02.27 | Azar | regardless of linux distro, kernel version or sound card brand |
| 05:02.33 | Skrylar | Azar: alsa's always been nice to me |
| 05:02.50 | Azar | well it is stubborn with me but I will not give up |
| 05:02.52 | Skrylar | Azar: the setup apps for distros are never nice to me but alsa has always been... lol |
| 05:03.37 | Azar | Skrylar, to sum it up : nVidia video driver setup is piece of cake comparing with alsa |
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| 05:03.48 | stupidkid | holy cow |
| 05:03.52 | stupidkid | kernel panic |
| 05:03.54 | stupidkid | haha |
| 05:03.58 | Skrylar | Azar: still doesn't help lol |
| 05:04.00 | ethics | Azar: i can tell you how to fix it if you want..... |
| 05:04.14 | stupidkid | have to boot in rescue mode to fix lilo |
| 05:04.15 | Skrylar | Azar: I just ran the nvidia installer and it ran and installed nice... the ati one took a while to get it to work |
| 05:04.16 | stupidkid | :( |
| 05:04.27 | Azar | ethics I would be more interested if you could help me find the bork |
| 05:04.30 | Skrylar | stupidkid: that's easy compared to the screwy stuff I have to do to get debian installed |
| 05:04.39 | stupidkid | heh |
| 05:04.43 | ethics | Azar: you in testing or unstable? |
| 05:05.14 | nicodein | deadcat: you owe me 5 bucks :) |
| 05:05.16 | stupidkid | noone use 2.6.11.10 here? |
| 05:05.20 | Azar | ethics I am running Sarge with an official kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 , via82xx sound card |
| 05:05.25 | deadcat | nicodein: hows that i know hes gonna fuck it up. |
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| 05:05.41 | Skrylar | stupidkid: first, CDROM won't read all of my perfectly good cd so install borks; and it wont boot from usb key; so what I've decided to do is load up Gentoo Stage 3 on the thing and try to manually install debian |
| 05:05.55 | stupidkid | :D |
| 05:05.58 | stupidkid | that was hard |
| 05:06.10 | kensuke | \q |
| 05:06.14 | kensuke | oops |
| 05:06.14 | Azar | ethics the main error is at bootup where alsa_ctl-open will refuse to load with warning: no sound cards found |
| 05:06.18 | deadcat | Skrylar: is it that hard to install debian? |
| 05:06.34 | Skrylar | deadcat: only if you have a laptop that's considered ancient by today's standards |
| 05:06.37 | ethics | Azar......apt-get alsa-source compile the newer drivers as per the ./configure make make installl then depmod and alsaconf.....the newer drivers fix alot of stuff that should have just worked |
| 05:06.55 | deadcat | Skrylar: boot from usb is ancient? you ahve cdrom right? |
| 05:06.56 | Skrylar | deadcat: stupid friggin cd-rom won't read MY disc |
| 05:07.03 | deadcat | Skrylar: get another one. |
| 05:07.18 | Skrylar | deadcat: the price to get a new cd-rom out values the computer itself |
| 05:07.19 | Skrylar | lol |
| 05:07.20 | stupidkid | Skrylar: usually a bad burn |
| 05:07.29 | ethics | Azar: kernel-source is alsa 1.0.8 in testing whhere as the kernel is 1.0.4or5 |
| 05:07.34 | luulis | deadcat: some pre-2001 laptops wont even boot from cdrom |
| 05:07.52 | deadcat | !tell Skrylar about debootstrap |
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| 05:08.10 | Skrylar | did you not just read the part where I said I was installing it manually |
| 05:08.12 | deadcat | luulis: kidding me? |
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| 05:08.19 | waxwax | if you are not getting good service here, join me @ #debian-haters |
| 05:08.24 | luulis | Skrylar: theres smart boot manager that installs on a floppy disk that can boot from cdrom |
| 05:08.28 | deadcat | Skrylar: no. |
| 05:08.50 | Skrylar | luulis: it boots fine |
| 05:09.23 | Skrylar | luulis: it just doesn't like the sector with the package list for some reason (but my desktop does >-| ) |
| 05:09.26 | Azar | ethics, ok I am trying that |
| 05:09.59 | ethics | Azar itll be a bug in the driver not seeing a new device id or something syntatic like that |
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| 05:10.47 | Azar | I take it that ./configure is an executable I run it right from the root? |
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| 05:11.02 | deadcat | Azar: no ./ |
| 05:11.53 | Azar | I am trying to understand what to do with ./configure |
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| 05:12.10 | deadcat | !tell spdf about away |
| 05:12.41 | shivraj | I need a simple howto on how to configure my kernel |
| 05:12.41 | deadcat | Azar: ./blah means run the blah thats in the current dir. |
| 05:12.42 | fortran01 | Azar: ./configure will complete your make file |
| 05:12.53 | deadcat | shivraj: why do you need to compile a kernel? |
| 05:13.11 | ethics | Azar Azar...alsa-source dumps a tarball in /usr/src extract it |
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| 05:13.20 | ethics | Azar you also need your kernel headers |
| 05:13.28 | deadcat | Azar: what kernel you using? |
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| 05:13.45 | skiddieleet | how many of you are idle? |
| 05:13.52 | deadcat | 17 |
| 05:13.58 | skiddieleet | thanks |
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| 05:14.05 | nicodein | O_o |
| 05:14.07 | deadcat | he went back to gentoo |
| 05:14.09 | fortran01 | Azar: ./configure will complete your make file |
| 05:14.12 | shivraj | sound support |
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| 05:14.31 | deadcat | shivraj: and your current kernel dont support? |
| 05:14.33 | ethics | deadcat : azar is having a problem with alsa which is probably fixed in alsa 1.0.8 (alsa-source) |
| 05:14.35 | shivraj | deadcat : I dont think I have soundcore support |
| 05:14.46 | deadcat | ethics: i see. |
| 05:14.48 | shivraj | deadcat : how can I check ? |
| 05:14.57 | deadcat | shivraj: lsmod |grep sound |
| 05:15.46 | deadcat | Azar: apt-get install <alsa-source package> module-assistant kernel-headers-`uname -r`; sudo m-a a-i alsa-source-package-name |
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| 05:15.55 | shivraj | deadcat: nope nothing |
| 05:16.09 | deadcat | shivraj: modprobe -l |grep sound |
| 05:16.19 | ethics | azar the actual package is called alsa-source |
| 05:16.22 | Skrylar | deadcat who went to Gentoo |
| 05:16.35 | deadcat | Skrylar: that moron asked about number of idels |
| 05:17.20 | deadcat | Skrylar: he was sent here from gentoo to do his recon work. |
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| 05:18.28 | Skrylar | ok this will be odd |
| 05:18.35 | Skrylar | chroot from the CD to a local system |
| 05:18.46 | Skrylar | chroot from the local system to the SoonToBeDebian system |
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| 05:20.42 | Skrylar | ... great |
| 05:20.48 | Skrylar | debian cd doesnt have fdisk |
| 05:21.03 | shivraj | deadcat : nope nothine |
| 05:21.14 | shivraj | deadcat : I ran alsaconf and its not finding anything |
| 05:21.24 | shivraj | I dont think I have soundcore support |
| 05:21.26 | ethics | Skrylar.....i just boot form the netinst and then cancle out and choose partition disks....it's parted i think |
| 05:21.35 | deadcat | shivraj: what kernel you using? |
| 05:21.46 | shivraj | the one that came with woody |
| 05:21.49 | shivraj | never recompiled |
| 05:21.59 | Azar | ok I installed alsa-source |
| 05:22.00 | Skrylar | ethics: the installer's shell script doesn't have /dev/sda either, which I need to pull off this stunt im doing |
| 05:22.04 | deadcat | shivraj: shit. you need a better one. type uname -r |
| 05:22.16 | Azar | and module-assistant |
| 05:22.22 | shivraj | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 05:22.30 | ethics | Skrylar....what scsi controller? |
| 05:22.35 | Azar | I have no idea how to compile it |
| 05:22.38 | deadcat | shivraj: damn. desktop right? you sure you want woody? |
| 05:22.39 | Skrylar | ethics: uh donno at the moment |
| 05:22.46 | ethics | Skrylar even on linux26 at the boot prompt? |
| 05:22.51 | Skrylar | ethics: yea |
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| 05:23.00 | ethics | Skrylar SATA? |
| 05:23.12 | Skrylar | ethics: no this laptop is from like the 1999 era |
| 05:23.18 | Skrylar | ethics: dell latitude cpi |
| 05:23.24 | shivraj | deadcat I upgraded to sarge |
| 05:23.48 | deadcat | shivraj: then apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 or what ever the last part |
| 05:24.10 | shivraj | wow debian rocks |
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| 05:25.13 | ethics | Skrylar: try this..you may be jumping out at wthe wrong time..... boot of the netinst disk linux26 option on the boot: prompt when it come up hit enter till you get the modules probed once they are probed you should be able to use alt-f2 to open the second console which will have /dev/scsi/lun0\ drive\partions |
| 05:25.28 | ethics | skrylar you should be able to mount chroot etc then |
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| 05:26.11 | ethics | skrylar: if you want fdisk/parted you can press escape to get to the menu and choose partition disk... |
| 05:26.38 | Azar | wow, it is tar.bz2, ethicks after bunzip2 it should I untar it too? |
| 05:26.56 | deadcat | tar -jxf |
| 05:27.08 | Azar | thanks deadcat |
| 05:27.45 | shivraj | deadcat : and now what ? |
| 05:27.47 | shivraj | restart ? |
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| 05:28.47 | rixth | What the command to get your cpu speed? |
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| 05:29.01 | deadcat | shingouz: reboot to the new kern. |
| 05:29.07 | glick | excuse me im trying to get the latest xfce however im havin some problems |
| 05:29.07 | deadcat | oops |
| 05:29.24 | deadcat | glick: sarge? sid? using 3rd party source? |
| 05:29.25 | glick | on the xfce it says i can use www.os-works.com to get the packages |
| 05:29.34 | glick | deadcat, im using testing |
| 05:29.53 | glick | they tell me to put the following two lines into my apt.sources file : |
| 05:29.54 | deadcat | glick: then apt-get update. os-works.com is working |
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| 05:30.02 | deadcat | glick: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:30.10 | glick | deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main |
| 05:30.10 | glick | deb-src http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main |
| 05:30.13 | glick | however |
| 05:30.23 | glick | i only want these two packages to come from there |
| 05:30.24 | egg| | rixth: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:30.27 | glick | not my entire system |
| 05:30.39 | glick | in other words i only want xfce from there |
| 05:30.41 | deadcat | damn. my ibook bat is showing 7:32 hour left, then just down to 6:22 |
| 05:30.42 | glick | not the rest of my system |
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| 05:31.04 | Azar | I have kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 and kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 05:31.08 | deadcat | glick: and your point? |
| 05:31.17 | deadcat | Azar: nope. dont match |
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| 05:31.24 | glick | deadcat, my point is how do i get just that one package from them |
| 05:31.33 | glick | so that the next time i do apt-get update |
| 05:31.38 | glick | it will use my regular source |
| 05:31.38 | deadcat | glick: browser then dpkg -i |
| 05:31.55 | shivraj | deadcat : I restarted I think its still using 2.20 |
| 05:31.55 | stupidkid | IPV6=$(`printf "2002:%x%02x:%x%02x::\n" `echo $1 | sed 's/\./ /g'``) |
| 05:32.02 | glick | deadcat, ? |
| 05:32.03 | stupidkid | can you help me fix it? |
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| 05:32.07 | stupidkid | it gives me an error |
| 05:32.28 | Supaplex | startx has an EE line stating nvidia driver is not available, but it's clearly loaded (lsmod). What gives? |
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| 05:32.38 | Azar | tar -jxf alsa-driver.tar did not worked bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2file |
| 05:32.40 | digibox | does anyone know how to tell the size of a HD by cylinders, heads and sectors? |
| 05:32.53 | deadcat | Supaplex: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select nvidia |
| 05:33.14 | Azar | Supaplex use ctrl-alt-F7 |
| 05:33.21 | deadcat | Azar: the j is to handle the bz2, if its tar, xf |
| 05:33.31 | Azar | oh thanks |
| 05:33.32 | deadcat | Azar: what the hell you trying to do? |
| 05:33.44 | Azar | I am trying to learn to compile alsa-driver |
| 05:33.58 | deadcat | Azar: how the hell is ctrl-alt-f7 gonna help him when he has error on nvidia? |
| 05:34.00 | waxwax | Supaplex: you are very lucky, when I asked this question, nobody knew the answer |
| 05:34.07 | shivraj | deadcat whats the command to check the kernel version ? |
| 05:34.13 | deadcat | Azar: didnt i give you the steps? |
| 05:34.17 | Azar | oh oh sorry I didnt pay attention |
| 05:34.17 | shivraj | I dont think my boot loader is loading the new kernel |
| 05:34.19 | deadcat | shivraj: uname -r |
| 05:34.22 | egg| | digibox: hdparm -i |
| 05:34.25 | deadcat | shivraj: update-grub |
| 05:34.27 | glick | so does anyone know? |
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| 05:34.38 | Azar | deadcat I typed all the line at command line not all went ok |
| 05:34.39 | glick | do i just add the lines to apt-get |
| 05:34.44 | shivraj | I am using lilo |
| 05:34.47 | deadcat | glick: dpkg -i the .deb |
| 05:34.51 | digibox | egg| um its not an isntalled HD |
| 05:34.52 | glick | then incommine them and add the old ones back? |
| 05:34.52 | deadcat | shivraj: oh. you have to config lilo then |
| 05:35.00 | Supaplex | nvidia isn't available in the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:35.02 | glick | deadcat, its a bunch of packages |
| 05:35.06 | egg| | @@ |
| 05:35.07 | ravenbird | it has been said that @ is where it's at |
| 05:35.11 | shivraj | yep its still using 2.20 |
| 05:35.16 | deadcat | glick: if you are affraid of 3rd party messing up your system. DONT fucking use it. |
| 05:35.27 | deadcat | glick: get xfce from experimental then |
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| 05:35.30 | glick | deadcat, you dont understand what im tryin to say do you? |
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| 05:35.53 | digibox | I am just wanting to know if there is a formula to figure out the size of a HD based on cylinders, heads and sectors |
| 05:35.54 | deadcat | shivraj: config lilo and reboot to new kernel. i dont remember how to config lilo without seeing anything |
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| 05:36.08 | deadcat | digibox: google? |
| 05:36.56 | digibox | I would google but wouldnt know what to google for |
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| 05:37.01 | glick | i just want xfce, plus its dependancies, from this source |
| 05:37.05 | deadcat | digibox: what you just typed |
| 05:37.11 | glick | all other packages i want from my regular source |
| 05:37.17 | deadcat | glick: apt-get is the fucking command. |
| 05:37.18 | digibox | if google worked on asking a question form then it would work |
| 05:37.30 | deadcat | glick: theres a reason it installs the dependencies. |
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| 05:38.17 | shivraj | deadcat : Im looking at lilo.conf |
| 05:38.23 | shivraj | where would the new image be ? |
| 05:38.29 | shivraj | whats the name of it ? |
| 05:38.58 | deadcat | shivraj: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6...... i use grub and i only update-grub it will add all the kernel on the system for me |
| 05:39.35 | shivraj | yeah all I gotta do is edit lilo and run another program that will update lilo |
| 05:39.41 | ethics | digibox: you have a harddisk you cant workout how dig it is? |
| 05:39.51 | ethics | digibox: how big |
| 05:40.25 | digibox | yah its outdated but im just wondering on the size cause the website doesnt support the drive anymore. |
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| 05:40.37 | digibox | I am just hopeing its at least 5gb or something |
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| 05:40.40 | ethics | digibox what brand? |
| 05:40.51 | sean_micken | i installed the artwiz fonts package and i can use the fonts fine, but they aren't appearing in the GTK2 font selection apps, know why? |
| 05:41.06 | deadcat | sean_micken: because those are gtk1 fonts. |
| 05:41.08 | shivraj | dead cat I dont see it there |
| 05:41.14 | digibox | quantum |
| 05:41.18 | deadcat | shivraj: ls /boot/vmli* |
| 05:41.19 | shivraj | deadcat : I got an error and I did apt-get -f install |
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| 05:41.38 | sean_micken | deadcat: fonts aren't tied to a GTK version... |
| 05:41.42 | deadcat | shivraj: i didnt say anything about apt-get install -f (= |
| 05:41.43 | shivraj | whats the name of the package again ? |
| 05:41.51 | deadcat | sean_micken: oh? |
| 05:41.55 | ethics | digibox right where the ide connector is theres a sticker with a serialnumber/barcode is it there....its on the bottom of the drive boardside |
| 05:41.58 | shivraj | well it gave me an error when I was trying to install it |
| 05:42.07 | shivraj | and I did that |
| 05:42.21 | deadcat | shivraj: install what? you are working on lilo aint it? |
| 05:42.35 | shivraj | yeah but I cant find the image |
| 05:42.45 | shivraj | looked in /boot/ its not there |
| 05:42.46 | deadcat | shivraj: its in /boot/ |
| 05:43.09 | deadcat | shivraj: when you install the kernel. did you READ the instruction? |
| 05:43.21 | deadcat | dont just press enter |
| 05:43.21 | shivraj | its not 2.20 is there but 2.6 |
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| 05:43.28 | shivraj | but not |
| 05:43.48 | yac | hi all. is it right that mplayer consumes 80% of CPU(AthlonXP 2100+ - 1730Mhz). and that's not fulcreen... |
| 05:43.54 | glick | for xfce4 from osworks do i just want the core or their xfld-desktop? |
| 05:44.06 | deadcat | yac: same here. mplayer is weird. |
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| 05:44.17 | doleyb | yac: all depends on the video file. If you're doing a HDTV one, might be expected. |
| 05:44.31 | ethics | yac: depends on what your doing....IDE devices use CPU too so it may be shared load on moving the data and unencrypting it..... |
| 05:44.45 | ethics | yac: what format file? |
| 05:44.46 | Azar | hmm make did not work |
| 05:44.57 | deadcat | yac: if you play the same file with xine. it only uses like 40% |
| 05:45.12 | digibox | nevermind found it out 1,086,382,080 bites |
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| 05:45.37 | technos | Oww.. A tiny 1Gb drive. |
| 05:45.43 | yac | deadcat: Yes, I noticed... xine ? how about it's codecs ? |
| 05:45.53 | digibox | if what I am seeing is correct that its 512 bytes per sector |
| 05:46.07 | deadcat | yac: if it doesnt work in xine, then mplayer (= |
| 05:46.23 | yac | deadcat: heh, ok, thans;) |
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| 05:46.39 | deadcat | yac: maybe we just dont know how to config that shit or something. |
| 05:47.17 | yac | that's possible.. you know i am used to 3 BSplayers working on 80%... :-P |
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| 05:47.41 | deadcat | yac: i dont know htat |
| 05:47.51 | tra1a1a | morning all |
| 05:47.52 | glick | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.04 | glick | thats what i get when i use 0s-works sources |
| 05:48.42 | yac | deadcat: that's Window's mplayer |
| 05:48.53 | deadcat | o |
| 05:49.18 | shivraj | deadcat : I think I pressed Y when it said do you want to stop now |
| 05:49.27 | deadcat | ya. say no |
| 05:49.27 | glick | all i want to do is install the latest version of xfce4 in debian testing |
| 05:49.31 | yac | deadcat: well. is there some easy-to-use subtitles tool for mplayer/xine ? |
| 05:49.43 | glick | why is this such an unreasonable thing to want to do? |
| 05:49.48 | deadcat | glick: then you have to install all those shits from os-work. dammit. |
| 05:50.04 | deadcat | yac: dont know. dont use subtitles (= |
| 05:50.07 | Azar | hmm I am getting an error about /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7: No such file or directory cannot state' snd-page-alloc.ko' : No such file or directory, same for some other snd modules |
| 05:50.29 | deadcat | Azar: because your image and headers dont match? |
| 05:50.33 | yac | deadcat: I'd like to understand english SO good too;o) |
| 05:50.35 | tra1a1a | glick: the latest version from where? sid? |
| 05:50.43 | Azar | deadcat, I guess so |
| 05:50.50 | glick | tra1a1a, the latest version that exists |
| 05:50.54 | deadcat | Azar: then get it match uip |
| 05:51.04 | Azar | uh how? |
| 05:51.16 | tra1a1a | glick: that would be the cvs version from the xfce site |
| 05:51.18 | deadcat | apt-cache search? |
| 05:51.33 | deadcat | tra1a1a: os-work.com |
| 05:51.35 | glick | tra1a1a, yes |
| 05:51.40 | glick | when i use os-come |
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| 05:51.46 | glick | os-work.com |
| 05:51.51 | glick | i get a shitload of depends errors |
| 05:52.44 | Azar | but it is correct, the kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 is what I have |
| 05:52.53 | Supaplex | waxwax: make any sence out of http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/05/msg00269.html ? Compare with the last few paragraphs of http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 05:53.14 | deadcat | kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 05:53.20 | glick | cd cant i do ls * | tar xzvf - |
| 05:53.26 | glick | to undar all files in a dir? |
| 05:53.33 | glick | untar |
| 05:53.46 | deadcat | man tar |
| 05:53.46 | glick | oh no i have to use cat dont i |
| 05:54.09 | tra1a1a | to untar to a specific dir use -C |
| 05:54.12 | Supaplex | glick: you didn't intend to use xargs did you? |
| 05:54.14 | Azar | yes it is correct deadcat that is what I have |
| 05:54.24 | glick | Supaplex, ? |
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| 05:54.45 | deadcat | Azar: didnt i tell you to use m-a a-i alsa-souce ? |
| 05:54.55 | tra1a1a | man, even google doesn't know about os-work.com |
| 05:54.59 | Glitch_Master | Hiyo. I'm just testing APPLE2 Ircnes... |
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| 05:55.01 | sean_micken | deadcat: well then is there a way to make the artwiz fonts available to gtk2 apps? |
| 05:55.10 | Glitch_Master | It wasn't scrolling too well. |
| 05:55.12 | Azar | deadcat I wrote that at command line it did not took it |
| 05:55.14 | deadcat | sean_micken: hell if i know |
| 05:55.18 | shivraj | deadcat this is a much bigger kernel it took longer to load |
| 05:55.38 | shivraj | plus X11 stopped working |
| 05:55.39 | Azar | oh it took it now.. |
| 05:55.40 | deadcat | shivraj: i dont know. 2.6 maybe. 2.2 has nothing? (= |
| 05:55.43 | Glitch_Master | It scrolls down. Thus, I have to /clear every time it reaches the bottom. |
| 05:55.46 | Supaplex | glick: there's like 6 ways to skin that cat. man xargs (eg, ls *.tar | xargs ... tar ...) or for a in *.tar ; do tar -xf $a ; done |
| 05:56.03 | Glitch_Master | Mmm... Apple ][... |
| 05:56.07 | yac | heh, i installed one nice panel tomrrow and forget it's name.... double 'l' and 'g' in name ... any ideas ? |
| 05:56.13 | deadcat | Azar: did you install module-assistant ? |
| 05:56.24 | Azar | deadcat, yes |
| 05:56.27 | deadcat | yac: gkrellm? |
| 05:56.44 | yac | deadcat: exactly:] thanks |
| 05:56.55 | deadcat | Azar: then m-a a-i alsa or alsa-source WILL work |
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| 05:57.30 | Azar | deadcat now it works maybe I mistyped back then |
| 05:57.50 | glick | yeah so screw it im just gonna install it from source |
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| 05:58.43 | shivraj | deadcat : its broken, its saying no /dev/psaux |
| 05:58.52 | shivraj | when loading X |
| 05:58.59 | deadcat | shivraj: echo psmouse /etc/modules |
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| 05:59.08 | deadcat | >> it to that file |
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| 06:00.26 | shivraj | yeah I see something there |
| 06:00.29 | yac | deadcat: xine 25% only with the same clip. but in fullscreen still overload(or how to say)... is there any way to watch fullscreen movies without... eh... those sucks ? |
| 06:00.37 | Azar | it surely takes a while to build alsa-source |
| 06:00.59 | deadcat | yac: damn. what video card? you have glx? |
| 06:01.48 | yac | deadcat: Ati Radeon - fglrx |
| 06:01.50 | hackel | I'm at a major loss here and could really use some help. My system will no longer boot with an error "No program vgchange found for your current version of LVM." My root is on an LVM2 partition, and this happens with any kernel version. What can I do to boot my system? |
| 06:02.09 | yac | deadcat: *frglx |
| 06:02.35 | deadcat | yac: what does glxgrears give you? like how many fps? |
| 06:02.36 | Azar | wow, amazing |
| 06:02.47 | tra1a1a | yac: is your xvideo working? |
| 06:02.58 | yac | tra1a1a: how can i tell ? |
| 06:03.05 | tra1a1a | yac: xvinfo |
| 06:03.29 | tra1a1a | and grep -i xvideo /var/log/XFree86.$DISPLAY.log |
| 06:03.50 | doleyb | yac: try mplayer twice, with -vo x11 and then -vo xv |
| 06:04.09 | yac | deadcat: glxgrears don't work. but i ran them yesterday... there is one command to run before, no ? |
| 06:04.10 | deadcat | /etc/XFree86.0.0.log dont exist |
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| 06:04.31 | deadcat | /etc/XFree86:0.0.log dont exist |
| 06:04.36 | tra1a1a | eh?! |
| 06:04.50 | yac | tra1a1a: X-Video Extension version 2.2 |
| 06:04.50 | yac | screen #0 |
| 06:04.50 | yac | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.06 | yac | tra1a1a: that's bad ? |
| 06:05.25 | tra1a1a | yac: you need to enable xvideo in order to have smooth movie playback with fullscreen. ask google about it |
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| 06:07.27 | shivraj | deadcat : echo psmouse /etc/modules ?? |
| 06:07.32 | waxwax | woody->sarge |
| 06:07.52 | deadcat | shivraj: echo psmouse >> /etc/modules |
| 06:07.53 | shivraj | deadcat: why would the kernel make X not work ? |
| 06:07.59 | yac | tra1a1a: well, there are many offtopic links fo 'xvideo' and 'xvideo howto', do you know some particular site about it ? |
| 06:08.07 | deadcat | shivraj: next time it will load the mouse driver. for now modprobe psmouse then restart x |
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| 06:08.24 | deadcat | shivraj: maybe 2.2 mouse is built into the kernel. |
| 06:08.42 | tra1a1a | yac: not really. It has always worked for me right out of the box. |
| 06:09.34 | yac | tra1a1a: ok, so what should I do with it ? |
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| 06:12.37 | tra1a1a | yac: you should enable it somehow, but don't ask me how exactly. There are a few things you might check. The xvideo module of XFree86 (Load xv or xvideo somewhere in your XF86Config-4), your video card driver instructions (you're using ati binary right?) and tldp.org for howtos on the subject. |
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| 06:14.00 | shivraj | deadcat : nope that didnt work |
| 06:14.36 | shivraj | its saying cannot open /dev/input/device |
| 06:14.45 | shivraj | its saying cannot open /dev/input/mice |
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| 06:14.51 | deadcat | shivraj: thats usbmouse |
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| 06:14.57 | H2OyJaBoN | hi |
| 06:14.59 | shivraj | no its a laptop |
| 06:15.04 | shivraj | it was using psaux before |
| 06:15.07 | deadcat | !drxx |
| 06:15.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 06:15.26 | technos | Am I allowed to kick this Sparc in the jimmy without provocation and say F! to installing an OS on it? |
| 06:15.28 | H2OyJaBoN | one repositor to can download "Ncurses" library? |
| 06:16.04 | jm_ | ncurses is in base for ages |
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| 06:17.22 | H2OyJaBoN | jm_, there are not in my system... |
| 06:17.36 | jm_ | !wayttd H2OyJaBoN |
| 06:17.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, H2OyJaBoN? |
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| 06:17.56 | H2OyJaBoN | dpkg, compiling a kernel! |
| 06:17.56 | dpkg | it has been said that kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 06:18.04 | jm_ | H2OyJaBoN: /msg dpkg menuconfig |
| 06:18.11 | Azar | this is really amazing: same error at bootup |
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| 06:20.26 | H2OyJaBoN | jm_, yeah! thanks! "apt-get install libncurses5-dev"=) |
| 06:20.37 | Supaplex | my nvidia kernel and user-space (X11) drivers mismatch on the API used. (6.1.0 vs 1.0.7174). Where or how am I suppose to obtain the userspace (nvidia-glx) to match the kernel driver? |
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| 06:21.56 | tra1a1a | Supaplex: the nvidia-glx package? |
| 06:22.04 | Supaplex | yes |
| 06:22.35 | shivraj | deadcat its still not working man, |
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| 06:22.45 | shivraj | I tried setting the mouse device to /dev/ttyS0 |
| 06:22.47 | Supaplex | from startx, Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 6.1.0, but this X module is version 1.0.7174. Please be sure that your kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version. |
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| 06:22.58 | shivraj | its still saying can't open /dev/input/mice |
| 06:23.45 | technos | Hmm.. I just found a reason to jimmy-knock the Sparc.. I forgot my DB25 genderchangers. |
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| 06:24.11 | tra1a1a | shivraj: did you read drxx? |
| 06:24.16 | Supaplex | technos: trade your sparc for my hp pa risc :) |
| 06:24.25 | yac | tra1a1a: hmm, that's not good, I am to noob to find out myself... grrr |
| 06:24.29 | Azar | ethics, deadcat thanks, it alsa-driver compiled nicely but it still did not fixed my issue, I will try again something tomorrow |
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| 06:25.19 | Azar | good night, honorables |
| 06:25.21 | tra1a1a | yac: try xfree.org, there is a plenty of documentation out there. see if they have mailing lists archives as well |
| 06:25.29 | technos | Supaplex: What model? |
| 06:25.53 | tra1a1a | Supaplex: I meant did you install the latest nvidia-glx? |
| 06:25.58 | Supaplex | technos: b132l 96mb ram 4gb drive |
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| 06:26.18 | Supaplex | tra1a1a: I suppose I'd like to do that :) |
| 06:26.22 | spatulasnout | Hi, I'd like to install mod_fastcgi with apt-get. I see that mod_fastcgi is [non-free] (and have read the license analysis as to why). I've never installed from [non-free] before and am wondering how to do it? |
| 06:26.42 | jm_ | spatulasnout: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 06:26.44 | tra1a1a | Supaplex: well, do it then - apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 06:27.07 | shivraj | tra1a1a : how do I read it ? |
| 06:27.24 | tra1a1a | shivraj: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 06:27.34 | shivraj | tra1a1a : yeah I did that |
| 06:27.36 | technos | Supaplex: That's not a bad machine.. Why the devil do you want to liquidate it? |
| 06:27.53 | shivraj | since I updated the kernel its bitching |
| 06:27.57 | Supaplex | tra1a1a: but it's 1.0.7174-3 |
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| 06:28.17 | shivraj | deadcat said this new kernel has support for the mouse as a module |
| 06:28.45 | Supaplex | technos: I wanted a sun box at one point, but now I realise it, I have no reason for one now. :) |
| 06:29.12 | tra1a1a | Supaplex: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 06:29.48 | shivraj | it works when I make a link to /dev/psaux from /dev/ttyS0 |
| 06:29.54 | shivraj | but the mouse doesnt work |
| 06:30.06 | shivraj | how do I get the mouse to work ?? |
| 06:30.10 | spatulasnout | jm_: thanks |
| 06:30.14 | tra1a1a | shivraj: what's your kernel version? |
| 06:30.16 | technos | Supaplex: Ah.. Myself, I bought a pair of Sparcstation 5's to steal their discs for my HPPA, and realized that I already had a pair of >2gb drives in my parts bin, so now I have them sitting around. |
| 06:30.38 | shivraj | 2.6.8.2-686 |
| 06:31.10 | jm_ | spatulasnout: no worries |
| 06:31.43 | tra1a1a | shivraj: go check google about /dev/input/mice. there is a module you need to load, but I'm not sure which one |
| 06:31.58 | nunez | How do I protect myself from harmful binaries disturbing files under a normal account that arent in ~ of that account? |
| 06:32.12 | shivraj | its a good thing I have another computer handy |
| 06:32.26 | Supaplex | tra1a1a: I've already read the howto a few times, but I guess I'll nitpick the *$@( thing until I figure it out. Are you saying you're certian my issue is covered here? |
| 06:32.28 | bob2 | nunez: it can only modify files you have permission to modify |
| 06:32.38 | bob2 | nunez: if you're really paranoid, run it as a seperate user |
| 06:32.54 | tra1a1a | shivraj: links, lynx and links2 are also good things if you don't have X running |
| 06:33.09 | spdf | w3m isn't too bad either.. |
| 06:33.11 | nunez | bob2, How would I go about chrooting a user? |
| 06:33.26 | bob2 | nunez: why would you chroot a user? |
| 06:33.41 | nunez | bob2, Extra security |
| 06:33.58 | bob2 | nunez: how does that gain you any security? |
| 06:34.07 | tra1a1a | Supaplex: no, I'm just guessing. If you have installed the driver from the debian packages you shouldn't have problems with different versions unless you've mixed sarge and sid |
| 06:34.14 | nunez | bob2, For some reason my libc has been failing, ls-mount etc.. giving me "seg faults" |
| 06:34.34 | bob2 | bad ram or bad disk |
| 06:34.39 | bob2 | or your kernel has been rootkitted |
| 06:34.42 | Guerin | fuckinhell |
| 06:34.44 | Kernel | shivraj: in Xfree86config-4 chang the line that says /dev/input/mouse or mice to /dev/ttyS0 thats what i had to do |
| 06:34.45 | yac | doleyb: mplayer with -vo xv say error initiation of -vo device... xvideon isn't set. any suggestions ? |
| 06:34.46 | bob2 | does "dmesg" say anything weird? |
| 06:34.51 | nunez | bob2, Well, it runs fine for awhile |
| 06:34.58 | Supaplex | I'm on sarge, but it appears the glx driver is woody or something. *sigh* |
| 06:35.06 | Guerin | don't make me launch into my 'obscuring the filesystem is a waste of fucking time' rant |
| 06:35.07 | Coke | nunez: that happens with broken hw as well |
| 06:35.25 | nunez | Coke, that fuckin sucks |
| 06:35.25 | Coke | Guerin: please do. :) |
| 06:35.47 | nunez | Coke, If it segfaults again, if I replace the hardware I believe is faulty, will it work again without reinstall? |
| 06:36.11 | Coke | nunez: no. |
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| 06:36.14 | bob2 | nunez: depends what's broken. if your disk has been corrupted, you'll need to reinstall at least some packages. |
| 06:36.17 | Guerin | Coke: i'll grep my logs and put in it a factoid |
| 06:36.21 | yac | where can be XF86Config config found ? |
| 06:36.22 | diomedes | anyone using mythtv in australia? |
| 06:36.24 | Coke | nunez: imagine that your entire file cache in RAM might be corrupt |
| 06:36.28 | Agrajag- | yeah diomedes |
| 06:36.29 | bob2 | yac: /etc/X11/ |
| 06:36.36 | Agrajag- | diomedes: you probably want #mythtv-users |
| 06:36.36 | Coke | Guerin: yes please |
| 06:36.45 | tra1a1a | Supaplex: see? use everything from sarge |
| 06:36.50 | diomedes | agrajag cool thanks |
| 06:37.05 | shivraj | Kernel |
| 06:37.08 | yac | bob2: thanks. and how can i ilst pages in terminal man ? |
| 06:37.11 | shivraj | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.19 | bob2 | yac: I don't know what you mean |
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| 06:37.55 | yac | bob2: when i run 'man xvinfo' for example. |
| 06:38.01 | spdf | yac, man <whatever> | less |
| 06:38.22 | bob2 | yac: install the "less" package |
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| 06:39.13 | yac | spdf, no effect, still only first page ? |
| 06:39.18 | CountZ | i need help applying grsecurity to a debian kernel, the debian way (with make-kpkg) |
| 06:39.27 | bob2 | don't bother |
| 06:39.33 | CountZ | why? |
| 06:39.36 | bob2 | just apply it normally and build the kernel with mak-kpkg after |
| 06:39.43 | CountZ | I see |
| 06:39.46 | yac | spdf, bob2 : bah, never mind. |
| 06:39.48 | bob2 | because applying patches with make-kpkg is a massive pain in the arse |
| 06:39.54 | CountZ | yes so i've noticed |
| 06:39.54 | jm_ | heh |
| 06:39.57 | shivraj | Kernel: X loads but the mouse doesnt work |
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| 06:40.09 | CountZ | i tried the way the docs indicate, and it did not apply the patch before making |
| 06:40.20 | bob2 | yup |
| 06:40.23 | bob2 | I've never got it to work |
| 06:40.28 | CountZ | ok so going the manual way then |
| 06:40.52 | CountZ | but now a dillema: i have kernel-source 2.6.11 |
| 06:41.13 | CountZ | so which patch to apply from grsecurity... :-o |
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| 06:41.56 | nomed^ | hi |
| 06:42.01 | Kernel | shivraj: seems like there was 2 places in that file one around the top and one around the middle if i recall |
| 06:42.11 | nomed^ | is it possible to use gij (GNU libgcj) version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8) |
| 06:42.15 | nomed^ | with firefox |
| 06:42.16 | nomed^ | ? |
| 06:42.24 | nomed^ | o i need java from sun |
| 06:42.25 | Kernel | leme check my config and ill paste it in a past bin |
| 06:42.36 | bob2 | nomed^: that's a compiler, not a browser plugin |
| 06:42.42 | bob2 | CountZ: www.grsecurity.net |
| 06:42.55 | naoliv | How can I use my own variable inside debian/rules, using CDBS? For example, MY_VAR = "foo". |
| 06:43.05 | nomed^ | bob2, do i need to install the whole java pckge from sun? |
| 06:43.07 | tra1a1a | nomed^: I've tried using it for my crappy ups java software and it didn't work, but for general use it could be ok |
| 06:43.27 | bob2 | nomed^: yes |
| 06:43.32 | nomed^ | ufff |
| 06:43.35 | nomed^ | thanks |
| 06:43.36 | bob2 | I think the sablevm guys are working on a Free plugin |
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| 06:43.43 | bob2 | but I'm pretty sure it's nto a replacement yet |
| 06:43.45 | tra1a1a | not necessairly |
| 06:43.49 | shivraj | Kernel: there's configured mouse and generic mouse |
| 06:43.57 | tra1a1a | there is a plugin based on the gnu java |
| 06:43.59 | shivraj | I changed both to /dev/ttyS) |
| 06:44.04 | CountZ | bob2: I managed, thanks :-) |
| 06:44.06 | shivraj | ttyS0 |
| 06:44.09 | nomed^ | tra1a1a, where can i find it? |
| 06:44.12 | shivraj | I have a laptop |
| 06:44.16 | shivraj | what do you ahve ? |
| 06:44.25 | CountZ | bob2: now with the amazing task of selecting which features to activate in grsecurity |
| 06:44.42 | Guerin | !security by obscurity is <reply> Ok, if you're nwanting to hide /proc from a user, or chroot a user, disable su for a user, or otherwise fool a user into thinking he's not capable of doing anythjing bad, you're a fool. |
| 06:44.42 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 06:44.46 | Guerin | gah |
| 06:44.50 | Guerin | fuckingshitanddamn |
| 06:46.13 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.13 | CountZ | Guerin: or where i come from, we say, arsebuggerysoddingcrap |
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| 06:46.29 | tra1a1a | !gcjwebplugin |
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| 06:46.53 | shivraj | Guerin I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.8 now my mouse wont work with X |
| 06:46.56 | shivraj | you know ? |
| 06:47.16 | shivraj | I got the kernel-image-2.6.8 package |
| 06:47.38 | Guerin | shivraj: what kind of mouse? |
| 06:47.43 | shivraj | laptop |
| 06:47.46 | tra1a1a | nomed^: check gcjwebplugin |
| 06:47.51 | Guerin | modprobe psmouse |
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| 06:48.36 | shivraj | I did that |
| 06:48.36 | tico | how does the end of line in kwrite works like windows,unix or mac?? |
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| 06:48.43 | shivraj | I added it to /etc/modules too |
| 06:48.53 | tra1a1a | nomed^: however if you want a guarantie that java will work as expected you will need sun java. gcj is not compatible enough at the moment |
| 06:49.11 | nomed^ | i would try it ... |
| 06:49.13 | CountZ | do i want socket restrictions? (grsecurity) |
| 06:49.19 | yac | How can I set up xvideo, please ? google isn't too particular(well, i found nothing). xvinfo says 'no adaptors present' and I foun nothing in XF86Config-4 too... |
| 06:49.37 | nomed^ | i just need it to use a web page service .. if it works there that's good |
| 06:49.57 | tra1a1a | yeah, give it a try |
| 06:50.20 | CountZ | tra1a1a: me? |
| 06:50.28 | bob2 | CountZ: if you don't know what they are, enabling it is not a good idea |
| 06:50.32 | CountZ | ok |
| 06:50.36 | tra1a1a | yac: did you read xfree.org and check for mailing lists archives as advised? |
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| 06:50.39 | bob2 | if you don't know what grseccurity does, enabling it at all is a bad idea |
| 06:50.41 | tra1a1a | CountZ: no |
| 06:51.06 | deadcat | good one bob2 (= |
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| 06:51.42 | Guerin | has dpkg recently been lobotomised? |
| 06:51.58 | bob2 | dpkg: status |
| 06:51.58 | dpkg | Since Wed May 18 23:04:59 2005, there have been 138 modifications, 4239 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1471 commands. I have been awake for 7d 7h 47m 1s this session, and currently reference 25541 factoids. I'm using about 17016 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1913.19/86.16 child 1408.49/123.01 |
| 06:52.10 | yac | tra1a1a: well, I hate mailing list... I check it but not too carfuly. I afraid I'll not find it there... ok, but I try. What than ? |
| 06:52.25 | Guerin | greycat's lovely chroot ssh factoid is missing |
| 06:52.29 | Supaplex | dpkg: botsnack |
| 06:52.29 | dpkg | thanks, Supaplex |
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| 06:52.37 | Supaplex | you deserve it :) |
| 06:52.54 | tra1a1a | yac: do you use the ati binary driver? |
| 06:52.55 | CountZ | bob2: what about disabling privileged IO, in address space protection? the help says the only affected program is xfree86 and this is a server that only runs apache/php... sounds safe to turn it on, no? |
| 06:53.02 | nomed^ | tra1a1a uff i need sid it seems |
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| 06:53.12 | bob2 | CountZ: this is a bad idea |
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| 06:53.20 | bob2 | you're heading towards pain-town |
| 06:53.26 | bob2 | but yes, it's safe to enable if you don't use X |
| 06:53.33 | CountZ | wait, why? |
| 06:53.37 | CountZ | why pain-town, i mean |
| 06:53.49 | bob2 | because you're enabling things you don't understand |
| 06:53.50 | CountZ | after the last 24 hours, pain is the last thing i need |
| 06:53.52 | bob2 | that have consequences |
| 06:53.54 | CountZ | ah i see |
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| 06:54.00 | bob2 | e.g. some of them break java |
| 06:54.02 | bob2 | and scheme |
| 06:54.12 | CountZ | I know, i've experienced that before |
| 06:54.21 | CountZ | chpax -spermx fixed it before... |
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| 06:54.28 | Coke | Guerin: how's that factoid coming along? |
| 06:54.36 | Kernel | shivraj: take a look here both XF86config and XF86config-4 are there the both contain that line http://trbonet.pastbin.com |
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| 06:54.44 | Guerin | there are several |
| 06:54.50 | yac | tra1a1a: I am unsure... i use that frglx from http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html. |
| 06:54.59 | Coke | Guerin: regarding your obscurity rant |
| 06:55.36 | clojster | why is my locales on root different from locales of normal user... normal user is ok, but roots locales are posix |
| 06:56.26 | yac | how can i found xfree version ? |
| 06:56.32 | Guerin | !chroot ssh is <reply> Nope, don't. This is potentially a big security risk in and of itself, and a massive waste of disk space to boot. See http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.htmlhttp://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html |
| 06:56.32 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 06:56.34 | clojster | and dpkg-reconfigure locales doesnt work |
| 06:56.43 | tra1a1a | yac: follow the instructions in /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 06:57.10 | tra1a1a | or use the radeon xfree driver but be aware - it has no 3d acceleration |
| 06:57.16 | gporcel | Is debian sarge still being actively updated? The reason I ask is that I thought the packages had been frozen, but I continue to see quite a bit of updates. |
| 06:57.36 | shivraj | Kernel: is that the right url ?? |
| 06:57.48 | mne | hi everybody ! I have 2 pentium III Xeon processors (type SL3D9) in an IBM netfinity server. I'm looking forward to add another 2 CPUs and I was wondering if they need the same cache size apart from their same stepping code ? |
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| 06:58.19 | shivraj | Kernel: its late, I typed in .coom |
| 06:58.20 | shivraj | oops |
| 06:58.30 | tra1a1a | dpkg, what is chroot ssh? |
| 06:58.32 | dpkg | tra1a1a: what are you talking about? |
| 06:58.41 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 06:58.48 | Kernel | shivraj: http://trbonet.pastebin.com/ |
| 06:58.54 | shivraj | oh ok |
| 06:59.05 | yac | tra1a1a: oh, I was so happy i succesfully instaled driver i forgot X configuration.... hehe, thank, that will be it.) |
| 06:59.07 | gporcel | mne: My experience is not debian specific, but it is usually recommended that you fully match processors for SMP setups |
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| 06:59.39 | alexmacy | hi |
| 06:59.43 | CountZ | damn these colos, i'm getting sick... i'm already coughing |
| 06:59.45 | tra1a1a | gporcel: do you use "sarge" or "testing" in your sources.list? |
| 06:59.55 | Guerin | !security by obscurity |
| 06:59.55 | dpkg | Ok, if you're nwanting to hide /proc from a user, or chroot a user, disable su for a user, or otherwise fool a user into thinking he's not capable of doing anythjing bad, you're a fool. Hiding things from users normally provides no material security benefit, and causes massive headaches for those who actually use the machine in question. Ask me about <chroot ssh>, <hide ps> and <disable su> |
| 07:00.01 | Guerin | excuse typos |
| 07:00.09 | Guerin | i'm stuck on a fucking korean machine |
| 07:00.16 | tra1a1a | dpkg, chroot ssh? |
| 07:00.16 | dpkg | Nope, don't. This is potentially a big security risk in and of itself, and a massive waste of disk space to boot. See http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.htmlhttp://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html |
| 07:00.34 | Guerin | gah |
| 07:00.39 | Guerin | i suck |
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| 07:00.50 | mne | gporcel, thx for the tip. I just thought that cpus with more cache would lead to slightly more perormance, thus it would be nice. Just to be sure it works I#ll follow yor advice ;) |
| 07:01.37 | gporcel | Well, it would probably work, but I wonder if you would not get some weirdness from the processors being able to hold different caches. |
| 07:01.51 | furrywolf | !chroot ssh =! s/htmlhttp://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html/html/ |
| 07:01.52 | furrywolf | grr |
| 07:01.53 | gporcel | If it's a serious server, I'd take the safer route. |
| 07:02.03 | furrywolf | !chroot ssh =~ s/htmlhttp://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html/html/ |
| 07:02.06 | Guerin | furrywolf: i fixed it alread |
| 07:02.08 | Guerin | y |
| 07:02.13 | furrywolf | guerin: ah |
| 07:02.23 | gporcel | tra1a1a: here are my sources list: |
| 07:02.26 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep, then. I can't even hit the ~ key on my keyboard. :) |
| 07:02.30 | gporcel | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 07:02.30 | gporcel | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 07:02.30 | gporcel | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib |
| 07:02.39 | gporcel | Is that what it should be? |
| 07:02.58 | tra1a1a | gporcel: don't paste see /msg dpkg paste |
| 07:03.04 | gporcel | ok, sorry |
| 07:03.41 | naoliv | Nobody knows how to use my own variable inside debian/rules, using CDBS? |
| 07:03.52 | gporcel | tra1a1a: In any case, is that what it should look like. I am a bit new to the world of Debian. The server has been running beautifully, but I want to make sure that I run Sarge and not anything else. |
| 07:03.55 | bob2 | it's just a makefile, dude |
| 07:03.56 | tra1a1a | now, frozen means no new packages comming, but the bugs in the existing packages are being fixed, i.e. you have updates comming |
| 07:03.56 | Guerin | naoliv: try #debian-mentors |
| 07:04.08 | naoliv | Thanks Guerin. |
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| 07:04.16 | Guerin | naoliv: but yeah, it's not rocket science |
| 07:04.55 | tra1a1a | but I'm not sure if testing is frozen too or only sarge |
| 07:05.05 | Guerin | tra1a1a: testing == sarge |
| 07:05.19 | gporcel | tra1a1a: So, just to confirm, my sources.list match those of a sarge system, right? |
| 07:05.25 | mne | gporcel, i hate those weirdnesses ;) I had cpus with different stepping codes in a SMP machine once. The kernel did just use one CPU and it even worked for some minutes and then the machine freezed. It took me some hours to find out that teh reason was CPUs with different stepping codes |
| 07:05.44 | shivraj | Kernel: trbonnet.pastebin/28939 |
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| 07:05.47 | gporcel | mne: Right, I have been there. |
| 07:06.17 | tra1a1a | Guerin: because? (just asking) |
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| 07:06.25 | furrywolf | moral of the story: listen to intel/amd when they tell you not to mix stepping codes? :P |
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| 07:06.26 | Kernel | looking |
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| 07:06.40 | Guerin | gporcel: that sources.list won't stay sarge after the release. It'll move to etch, the new testing. If you want it to stabilise on sarge, change 'testing' to 'sarge' |
| 07:06.47 | simonrvn | tra1a1a: testing *is* sarge right now |
| 07:06.48 | shivraj | Kernel 289940 |
| 07:06.56 | Guerin | tra1a1a: because that's the way it is. |
| 07:07.32 | gporcel | Guerin: That's exactly what I was trying to figure out. I thought maybe once Sarge became stable, it auto-updated the sources.list |
| 07:07.40 | Guerin | !sarge upgrade path |
| 07:07.40 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades will work once sarge stabilises: If your sources.list says "woody", you'll stay with woody. If it says "sarge", you'll upgrade to sarge. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to sarge, the new stable. If it says "testing", your sarge box will upgrade to etch, the new testing. Any questions? |
| 07:07.44 | simonrvn | uh, no |
| 07:07.52 | simonrvn | gporcel: ^^ |
| 07:07.55 | Guerin | yes indeed, folks, I've got a factoid written up for everything |
| 07:07.56 | tra1a1a | simonrvn: I know, but I'm a bit confused about it. Sarge is frozen. Does this mean that testing is frozen and there is no other testing (unforzen) out there? |
| 07:08.03 | CountZ | so that's it? sarge is now the new stable? |
| 07:08.03 | digibox | .C3nZC3nZC3nYDxD1DhTWCNnY.fHmc.Dhj7C3b0CNn2CNr7. |
| 07:08.12 | digibox | woops sorry |
| 07:08.14 | Guerin | tra1a1a: that's correct, for the time being |
| 07:08.16 | CountZ | have I been living in some cave? |
| 07:08.18 | simonrvn | no. it means sarge is frozen. period. |
| 07:08.23 | Overand | !windows |
| 07:08.23 | dpkg | somebody said windows was from memory, windows is a 32 bit shell on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally designed for a 4 bit microprocessor, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or see panic(3) |
| 07:08.24 | CountZ | ah cool |
| 07:08.25 | digibox | woh I have a barcode reader |
| 07:08.38 | Guerin | CountZ: no, frozen is the period BEFORE release, not after. |
| 07:08.42 | simonrvn | when sarge -> stable, then etch "comes into existence" |
| 07:08.45 | CountZ | yes i know |
| 07:08.56 | Kernel | shivraj: that number shows blank |
| 07:08.57 | Overand | simonrvn: does etch 'fork' from sarge, or does it pull down from sid? |
| 07:09.02 | simonrvn | how is this hard to grok? |
| 07:09.25 | Overand | simonrvn: the upgrade path is simple |
| 07:09.26 | gporcel | But guys is frozen, how come I am still getting updates every so many days? |
| 07:09.29 | simonrvn | don't recall. i think what happened last time stuff got grabbed from sid |
| 07:09.34 | tra1a1a | Guerin: I see. Thanks. |
| 07:09.43 | Overand | gporcel: bug fixes? |
| 07:09.46 | simonrvn | last minute crap |
| 07:09.46 | Overand | dunno |
| 07:09.53 | shivraj | Kernel: which one ? |
| 07:09.54 | shivraj | works here |
| 07:09.55 | gporcel | ok |
| 07:09.56 | Guerin | gporcel: security updates and very important packages. Frozen means that no new functionality will be added, but bugs will be fixed. |
| 07:09.59 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 07:10.06 | shivraj | 289939 ?? and 289940 ?? |
| 07:10.11 | gporcel | Guerin: Thanks for clarifying again. |
| 07:10.26 | gporcel | Guerin: I have been running Linux for a while, but Debian only for a few months. |
| 07:10.30 | Kernel | shivraj: look here http://trbonet.pastebin.com/289936 and here http://trbonet.pastebin.com/289935 |
| 07:10.46 | shivraj | I made a mistake 289939 not 28939 |
| 07:10.48 | shivraj | ok |
| 07:10.54 | gporcel | One last thing, so is there any practical difference between having testing and sarge in your sources.list? |
| 07:11.06 | simonrvn | scroll up |
| 07:11.15 | digibox | hello I have a barcode reader connected to my ps/2 keyboard input and I am wondering if there is anything that I can use to convert the output of the reader into the actual numbers on the barcode? |
| 07:11.38 | tra1a1a | gporcel: yes, there is. did you read upgrade path? |
| 07:11.55 | Guerin | digibox: find out how they're hashed and unhash them |
| 07:11.59 | Overand | hm, if i've got an apt-proxy set up, will it care if my clients request 'testing' as opposed to 'sarge' ? |
| 07:12.02 | john | I'm confused. Since I'm on Sarge.. what's the deal now? |
| 07:12.03 | shivraj | Kernel: both blank |
| 07:12.03 | gporcel | I guess not... linky? |
| 07:12.09 | Guerin | digibox: given that you know the input and output, it shouldn't be hard to do |
| 07:12.11 | Kernel | wtf |
| 07:12.19 | Guerin | jesus |
| 07:12.19 | Kernel | im looking at them |
| 07:12.22 | tra1a1a | !tell gporcel about upgrade path |
| 07:12.23 | Guerin | !cluebat #debian |
| 07:12.27 | digibox | here comes an example of a barcode that is labled 0 71149 00350 51865 |
| 07:12.32 | Kernel | click the urls at the top left |
| 07:12.32 | digibox | .C3nZC3nZC3nYDxD1DhTWCNnY.fGj2.C3rYCND6C3nWDNn3DNj7Dxy. |
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| 07:13.00 | Guerin | digibox: we don't want examples. You're going to have to figure this out for yourself unless there's something already written for it. |
| 07:13.23 | Guerin | Overand: YES |
| 07:13.29 | Guerin | !sarge upgrade path |
| 07:13.29 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades will work once sarge stabilises: If your sources.list says "woody", you'll stay with woody. If it says "sarge", you'll upgrade to sarge. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to sarge, the new stable. If it says "testing", your sarge box will upgrade to etch, the new testing. Any questions? |
| 07:13.32 | Guerin | NOTA BENE |
| 07:13.32 | shivraj | !kernel-image-2.6.8-686 |
| 07:13.37 | furrywolf | bbl, sleep |
| 07:13.44 | Overand | Guerin: i think you misunderstood |
| 07:13.47 | Overand | i understand the upgrade path |
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| 07:13.59 | tra1a1a | ah, it has sarge in front! |
| 07:14.00 | shivraj | Guerin how do I get X to work ? |
| 07:14.02 | Overand | my question was, will it maintain a seperate cache for each ver. |
| 07:14.06 | john | so |
| 07:14.13 | Overand | and i just dug through it and realized it maintains one main pool |
| 07:14.14 | Overand | so i'm set |
| 07:14.15 | Guerin | Overand: yes. What is unclear about that? |
| 07:14.18 | john | if i enjoyed "testing" with Sarge |
| 07:14.18 | tra1a1a | gporcel: read now |
| 07:14.23 | john | I should just change my sources to testing then |
| 07:14.26 | john | instead of sarge |
| 07:14.28 | Overand | Guerin: i'm not talking about apt, i'm talking about apt-proxy |
| 07:14.29 | shivraj | Kernel ctcp me ur config files |
| 07:14.33 | simonrvn | Overand: what will? |
| 07:14.43 | Overand | ok, let's rephrase this |
| 07:14.46 | CountZ | wait wait, what if i have mickeymouse instead of woodie? |
| 07:14.47 | Guerin | Overand: it'll keep a copy of every unique package. |
| 07:14.50 | Overand | yeah |
| 07:14.53 | Overand | i got that. |
| 07:14.53 | Guerin | simple as that |
| 07:15.01 | Guerin | CountZ: try it |
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| 07:15.06 | Overand | i dug around in the directory structure and figured that out myself. |
| 07:15.09 | gporcel | dpkg: What's confusing is the following "will work once sarge stabilises". Has it been stabilized now and therefore putting sarge in the sources list is the right thing to do or not? |
| 07:15.10 | dpkg | gporcel: what are you talking about? |
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| 07:15.19 | simonrvn | CountZ: then you get to leave the channel |
| 07:15.23 | gporcel | It's all a question of timing, that's what I am trying to get correct. |
| 07:15.30 | Guerin | gporcel: if you want sarge, have sarge in your sources.list |
| 07:15.30 | tra1a1a | dpkg, what are you? |
| 07:15.30 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 07:15.33 | CountZ | Guerin: i just did, my debian box has demanded asylum in a foreign country just now... |
| 07:15.58 | CountZ | simonrvn :-) |
| 07:16.01 | Guerin | fuck's sakes people |
| 07:16.06 | Guerin | where are the rockets? |
| 07:16.16 | CountZ | i personally understand it perfectly |
| 07:16.32 | Guerin | nono |
| 07:16.34 | CountZ | it's a simple parallelization of the to channels |
| 07:16.42 | CountZ | two |
| 07:16.43 | cafuego | simonrvn: noooo! put that thing away! |
| 07:16.50 | Guerin | i'm just thinking, it seems I thought this was simple, when in fact it's Rocket Science |
| 07:16.51 | gporcel | Guerin: Thanks, that clears it. |
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| 07:16.56 | tra1a1a | gporcel: stabilises, means to become stable |
| 07:17.08 | Guerin | so if someone could tell me where the rockets are, that make this Rocket Science, that'd be good |
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| 07:17.35 | CountZ | Guerin: perhaps a more practical 'do this' approach is needed? |
| 07:17.35 | gporcel | Guerin: You are all enshrouded in Debian's culture and things that may not be vague to you are to outsiders. |
| 07:17.36 | cafuego | Guerin: monkeys can fly rockets, no science required. |
| 07:17.44 | technos | Stingers, eh? I'll just stand here, right where you're aiming at. It's the safest place. |
| 07:17.54 | CountZ | Guerin: I can already see how this issue is going to cause massive questions in this channel |
| 07:17.59 | Guerin | CountZ: nobody has ever been confused by that factoid before. |
| 07:18.06 | tra1a1a | gporcel: stop complaining, I explained you what it is. |
| 07:18.13 | simonrvn | these have been upgraded ;). i ran apt-get dist-upgrade on them |
| 07:18.15 | CountZ | I know, neither was I, ever, but..! |
| 07:18.26 | gporcel | tra1a1a: I now understand and I appreciate it. |
| 07:18.32 | Guerin | nobody ever went broke underestimating computer users |
| 07:18.33 | gporcel | I am not complaining, just trying to learn. |
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| 07:18.43 | CountZ | no, you shall pay the price!! |
| 07:18.50 | CountZ | ;-) |
| 07:18.54 | Guerin | gporcel: yeah, I know. Is english your first language? |
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| 07:19.23 | spdf | Guerin, doubt it |
| 07:19.25 | tra1a1a | freedom101:18 <gporcel> Guerin: You are all enshrouded in Debian's culture and things that may not be vague to you are to |
| 07:19.25 | tra1a1a | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.32 | tra1a1a | that didn't sound like a question |
| 07:19.38 | gporcel | I don't know that I have a first language by now. My native language is Spanish, but I have been around English long enough to be able to teach at University level. |
| 07:20.50 | Guerin | gporcel: well, what's you excuse then? |
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| 07:21.03 | gporcel | tra1a1a: it wans't a question. It was my explanation for why things are sometimes perceived to be a little harder for someone who is trying to come to terms with the way things are done in Debian. |
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| 07:21.05 | jm_ | heh |
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| 07:21.08 | tra1a1a | common guys, cut the crap |
| 07:21.22 | gporcel | Anyway, this is all offtopic. I appreciate that my questions were answered. |
| 07:21.28 | shivraj | Guerin you teach english ? |
| 07:21.32 | tra1a1a | gporcel: it sounded like a complaint to me though |
| 07:21.36 | Guerin | gporcel: your point there is fine, but honestly... |
| 07:21.45 | Guerin | shivraj: yeah, that's what english teachers do. |
| 07:21.50 | Hackel | Why would I be getting a bunch of "File descriptor left open" messages when upgrading a kernel with LVM? |
| 07:21.57 | spdf | Heh |
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| 07:22.20 | john | Hmm |
| 07:22.24 | gporcel | Guerin: I am a bit older and IRC isn't my prefered medium, but I am coping, ok? |
| 07:22.36 | gporcel | I think this whole conversation would be far less verbose in a different medium. |
| 07:22.44 | simonrvn | a bit older than what? |
| 07:22.53 | Guerin | gporcel: definitely |
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| 07:23.05 | gporcel | Anyway, Debian's is an amazing system and I will eventually learn its ropes. |
| 07:23.19 | gporcel | Thanks, everyone. |
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| 07:23.45 | simonrvn | debate? on topic? |
| 07:23.56 | shivraj | Kernel are you there ? |
| 07:23.56 | eye69 | Guerin: Yeah. You're like 62. |
| 07:23.57 | spdf | tra1a1a, there isn't one really. This place often strays... |
| 07:24.12 | Kernel | lol |
| 07:24.18 | Guerin | eye69: hah, that's almost funnay |
| 07:24.24 | mne | shivraj, right under your irc client :P |
| 07:24.24 | simonrvn | like a cat in heat in june |
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| 07:24.34 | eye69 | Guerin: Or not. |
| 07:24.38 | spdf | That's a hot cat! |
| 07:24.40 | liable | ok, the shitty town I live in, is finally getting an adsl exchange, so recommends for adsl-modem-wireless-router, or much of a muchness? |
| 07:24.43 | Kernel | shivra: u get the paste in the pm window? |
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| 07:25.01 | shivraj | mne, someone in the channel is Kernel |
| 07:25.06 | john | okay here's a question, if i did a dist-upgrade with sarge, which is now stable.. and it downgraded a few things, well, to "stable packages" of course.. and then I changed my sources to "testing" and did a dist-upgrade - nothing new? |
| 07:25.07 | simonrvn | that wr54g or whatever it's called |
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| 07:25.17 | mne | shift, i know, just some joke ;) |
| 07:25.22 | spdf | simonrvn, wrt54g |
| 07:25.26 | simonrvn | john: it isn't stable right now |
| 07:25.29 | simonrvn | spdf: danke |
| 07:25.37 | mne | shivraj, i know, just some joke ;) |
| 07:25.37 | john | oh, well, when will it be? |
| 07:25.51 | spdf | simonrvn, I'm routing through one right now :) |
| 07:25.51 | john | I'll just leave testing in my sources. I like testing. |
| 07:25.59 | yac | tra1a1a: heh, all set but mplayer with '-vo xc' says It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available. i Mean ATI owners can't watch movies on fullscreen ? :] |
| 07:26.01 | simonrvn | john: last i heard, release date was 30th, if all went well |
| 07:26.06 | john | oh, okay. |
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| 07:26.21 | shivraj | Guerin is there another kernel image that I can install that will fix this problem ? |
| 07:26.24 | simonrvn | spdf: :) |
| 07:26.27 | tra1a1a | yac: I'm an ati owner and xvideo works fine for me |
| 07:26.31 | Guerin | shivraj: no. |
| 07:26.37 | tra1a1a | I use the radeon driver though |
| 07:26.39 | yac | tra1a1a: well, what do you have ? |
| 07:26.50 | simonrvn | hmm, maybe i need to tweak the stupid bios for this mouse to work... *sigh* |
| 07:26.55 | Guerin | shivraj: does X actually work? or does it fail to run? |
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| 07:27.16 | tra1a1a | yac: the cheapest ati I could find about a month ago 9250 or something |
| 07:27.52 | shivraj | it runs, mouse isnt working |
| 07:28.10 | Guerin | shivraj: ok. modprobe hid |
| 07:28.13 | tra1a1a | shivraj: did you google for the mouse module? |
| 07:28.31 | Guerin | shivraj: what sort of mouse is it? |
| 07:28.32 | shivraj | I cant find it in google |
| 07:28.36 | shivraj | laptop |
| 07:28.38 | shivraj | ibm t20 |
| 07:28.49 | spdf | shivraj, usb? |
| 07:28.50 | shivraj | its not a touchpad |
| 07:29.02 | shivraj | no |
| 07:29.02 | yac | tra1a1a: I have exactly the same, the cheapest possible:-P I did it trough that howto and nothing. It worked for you without problems ? with fglrx ? |
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| 07:29.07 | spdf | simonrvn, x96 0wns j00. |
| 07:29.27 | simonrvn | no, open firmware does ;p |
| 07:29.28 | tra1a1a | yac: I told you I'm using radeon, not fglrx. |
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| 07:30.05 | eps | evening all |
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| 07:30.12 | spdf | eps, morning. |
| 07:30.16 | eps | :) |
| 07:30.27 | spdf | eps, opposite ends of the world :) |
| 07:30.43 | Kernel | shivra: is your dcc working? |
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| 07:30.47 | simonrvn | jeu mai 26 03:30:49 EDT 2005 |
| 07:30.56 | eps | spdf where are you from? |
| 07:31.18 | eps | I want to open a second gui, of a smaller wm or similar... mainly to play wolf:et as it crashes under gnome and I'm sick of rejoining all the channels I'm in when I restart x |
| 07:31.25 | Guerin | shivraj: nipple? |
| 07:31.25 | miline | which is best ftp mirror for downloading debian linux for MIPS architecture..... |
| 07:31.27 | spdf | eps, Ontario, Canada. Not exactly opposites, but close enough.. |
| 07:31.39 | yac | tra1a1a: that one from ATI's site ? i wonder if I should try it... |
| 07:31.47 | cahoot | eps: xnest? |
| 07:31.48 | shivraj | Guerin : nipple ? |
| 07:31.48 | eps | spdf hehe, magnetic north from here ey :P |
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| 07:32.00 | tra1a1a | yac: no, the one that comes with xfree |
| 07:32.09 | eps | erm |
| 07:32.17 | eps | cahoot googling it now |
| 07:32.18 | Guerin | shivraj: is your mouse a nipple-like device. I believe the technical term is 'touchpoint' |
| 07:32.29 | spdf | eps, My parents always said I'd tunnel to China if I kept digging, but I always hoped it would be Australia :) |
| 07:32.32 | shivraj | yeah |
| 07:32.34 | liable | trachpoint |
| 07:32.43 | simonrvn | nipple mouse is the technical term ;p |
| 07:32.45 | liable | trackpoint even |
| 07:33.09 | eps | spdf hehe, I'm planning to visit canada at some point in my life :) |
| 07:33.19 | Guerin | shivraj: if your x config is set up right, psmouse should be the right module. rerun drxx and choose /dev/psaux and imps/2 |
| 07:33.21 | miline | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.22 | spdf | eps, Don't come in the winter, its ridiculous... |
| 07:33.29 | Guerin | miline: use apt-spy |
| 07:33.31 | eps | haha |
| 07:33.36 | Guerin | ok |
| 07:33.55 | simonrvn | Guerout |
| 07:34.00 | spdf | Later fella |
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| 07:34.10 | eps | spdf I'm not a friend of winter at the moment... getting up for work each morning is painful... |
| 07:34.14 | eps | silly cold |
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| 07:34.16 | Guerin | off to give my bosses hell for incompetence |
| 07:34.18 | simonrvn | miline: same one as any other |
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| 07:34.40 | spdf | eps, Heh, If you do manage to come in the winter, go to British Columbia, there's is much milder.. |
| 07:34.45 | eps | hehe |
| 07:35.02 | eps | define mild? :| like 20*c? |
| 07:35.38 | yac | tra1a1a: you have 'radeon' option when run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 07:35.50 | spdf | eps, Last winter we had three weeks of between -30C and -40C, I think their lowest was -20C |
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| 07:36.33 | tra1a1a | yac: I don't know. I haven't run it in a while. But I do have a text editor to modify XF86Config-4 |
| 07:36.40 | eps | spdf I'm not a fan of anywhere colder than 29*c ... and I'll put up with 21*c but I'll complain :| |
| 07:37.24 | spdf | eps. Haha, come in the summer then :) |
| 07:37.29 | tra1a1a | eps: that's a bit extreme, although I'm on your side :) |
| 07:37.41 | eps | spdf I think I will have to! |
| 07:37.43 | sep | eps: seriously ? i'd probably think it was to warm in 21*c, and die at 29*c !! |
| 07:37.54 | spdf | eps, Anytime between May and September would do ou fine |
| 07:38.00 | spdf | sep, Same here.. lol |
| 07:38.09 | sep | eps: or at the very lease be incapitated of doing anything |
| 07:38.12 | eps | sep 29 to 34*c is my favourite temperture |
| 07:38.22 | spdf | eps, You're nuts. :) |
| 07:38.26 | tra1a1a | for me it would be 25 to 30 |
| 07:38.31 | eps | I get angry at 44*c and go and sit in a freezer |
| 07:38.35 | miline | I wont whole distribution of Debian for MIPS .....does this apt-spy provides that |
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| 07:38.46 | sep | i think i'v once experienced 28*c and it was horrible. |
| 07:38.48 | tra1a1a | eps: do you really ahve 44?!? |
| 07:38.53 | tra1a1a | *have |
| 07:39.00 | spdf | I feel best between 15C and 20C |
| 07:39.05 | eps | nuts!? the people in australia that live with 41 to 47*c all the time are nuts :) |
| 07:39.06 | liable | eps: australian? |
| 07:39.07 | sep | spdf: same here |
| 07:39.11 | eps | tra1a1a yes |
| 07:39.14 | miline | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:39.16 | liable | bah, thats me :) |
| 07:39.21 | yac | tra1a1a: strange it work for you. can I somehow look to you XF86Config-4 ? and what kernel are you using, btw ? |
| 07:39.28 | technos | 44 celsius isn't that bad.. What is that, 110F? |
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| 07:39.39 | eps | normally for three or four days before a big storm, it gets that hot |
| 07:39.39 | liable | yes it is bad |
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| 07:39.52 | toresbe | it's cold and raining outside |
| 07:39.57 | sep | miline: you want to make a local copy of the repository ? |
| 07:39.59 | liable | its that fucking hot here for like three months, every day |
| 07:40.05 | simonrvn | @tell miline -about repeat |
| 07:40.10 | tra1a1a | eps: That must feel horrible! I can live up to 35-36 but I think I'll start to lose it after that. |
| 07:40.12 | eps | hehe so yeah, 44*c is my "this is to hot, I'm leaving" point, 21*c is my "damn this is cold, where is my heater" |
| 07:40.20 | eps | tra1a1a lol :) |
| 07:40.21 | spdf | technos, Right about there, 111ish if my mind math is correct |
| 07:40.38 | simonrvn | miline: apt-spy is crap anyway. what you have as remote sources should work. if not, try running apt-setup |
| 07:40.39 | eps | eh... people still use *f? |
| 07:40.47 | eps | sifn't use *c or *k |
| 07:40.50 | tra1a1a | technos, spdf: man units |
| 07:40.58 | technos | eps: Mostly just us lamers in the states. |
| 07:41.06 | miline | I have downloaded some iso image from one Ftp but it has nothing like source......what shoult I do with that |
| 07:41.18 | simonrvn | burn it |
| 07:41.24 | technos | tra1a1a: Eh.. If I can mentally guesstimate it within a few degrees, I'm fine. :) |
| 07:41.27 | spdf | eps, I worked in a factory a couple of summers ago and when it went past 32*C in the building they shut the ovens down and sent everyone home because it was -TOO HOT- :) |
| 07:41.57 | shivraj | switched back to old kernel |
| 07:41.58 | sep | miline: why you want sources on cd? you just just apt-get the sources you need when you need them |
| 07:41.59 | miline | ya SIMONRVN ............but does 400MB has all packages in that |
| 07:42.16 | eps | spdf hehe, I remember back in school we had this one week were it sat on 40*c every day... and 41*c is the temperture that you get to go home on! that was one long and hard week! |
| 07:42.17 | tra1a1a | yac: I'm using 2.6.11 but that should not matter. Unfortunately the XF86Config in question is at home and right now I'm not. |
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| 07:42.52 | tra1a1a | technos: If you can that's fine. I can't and that's why I'm using units :) |
| 07:42.55 | mrnull | I'm very new to CVS. What would you guys say is the easiest program to use? (gnome) |
| 07:43.02 | spdf | eps, Heh, They used to send us home when it was -30*C, I've never been sent home for too hot :) |
| 07:43.05 | yac | tra1a1a: that's bad... is xvideo importan ? or... is it worth reinstalling driver ? |
| 07:43.08 | technos | tra1a1a: Can always google it too. |
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| 07:43.28 | eps | spdf hehe :) |
| 07:43.32 | Zta | I've got an odd problem: My server has |
| 07:43.35 | Zta | argh |
| 07:43.37 | simonrvn | miline: no, net install fetches them |
| 07:43.40 | spdf | Zta, it has a blank? |
| 07:43.51 | technos | It has argh! What's argh? |
| 07:43.57 | spdf | AIDS! |
| 07:44.03 | eps | anyway, got to work on a server, any one here know much about bind... and why it isn't liking only one domain :| |
| 07:44.12 | Zta | someone placed Enter under my finger =) |
| 07:44.20 | spdf | Zta, act of god 'eh? |
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| 07:44.20 | miline | but I have downloded some debian-update-3.0r2.01-mips.iso does it sufficient to run on MIPS |
| 07:44.25 | spdf | eps, Onto the questions! |
| 07:44.38 | sep | eps: your doing it wrong |
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| 07:45.04 | tra1a1a | yac: I'm not a graphics expert but I think xvideo is used for color convertion. If the video card does it, it's fast. If the cpu does it, it's slow. So if you are watching dvd/divx/tv on your pc you want either xvideo or veeery fast cpu (and xvideo). |
| 07:45.24 | tra1a1a | technos: ah, does google have sort of units? |
| 07:45.59 | miline | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.01 | tra1a1a | sodf: why? |
| 07:46.03 | eps | spdf onto the questions?! |
| 07:46.07 | eps | and yes I know I'm going it wrong |
| 07:46.07 | tra1a1a | spdf: why? |
| 07:46.19 | Zta | I've got an odd problem: My server has the devices eth0, bnep0 and, wlan0. It also runs a webserver (httpd). When I connect to it though eth0 and bnep0, I get its homepage. But when I connect to its though wlan0, I get nothing. However, ping and telnet works, I can portscan and see port 80 open, and netstat on the server shows established connections on port 80 to the client. But still the client (my browser) receives nothing. |
| 07:46.43 | spdf | eps, We were holding you up from asking your questions.. lol |
| 07:46.48 | miline | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.48 | eps | spdf the company that owns the domain is pointing at the right name server, and bind is setup for the domain, but still nothing happens... like you ping the domain and nothing |
| 07:46.49 | spdf | tra1a1a, Why what? |
| 07:46.55 | eps | lol |
| 07:46.57 | tra1a1a | spdf: why a ping? |
| 07:47.24 | spdf | tra1a1a, I thought you were lagging |
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| 07:47.39 | spdf | tra1a1a, No worries. 2 seconds if you're interested... |
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| 07:47.54 | eps | lol |
| 07:48.13 | tra1a1a | spdf: I probably am, but it has nothing to do with my connection. I'm way too slow reader. |
| 07:48.17 | miline | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:49.16 | spdf | tra1a1a, I ping frequently, habit from the old days when people "!ping"'d all the time... |
| 07:49.18 | yac | tra1a1a: great, so I am fucked then. :/ |
| 07:49.23 | eps | lol |
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| 07:50.28 | alienn | If I upgrade from woody to sarge I shall fill out an upgrade report. But I can't remember where to find it. Can you tell me? |
| 07:50.33 | ir0n-e | anyone else here think it is pointless and tedious to read a 700 page exam prep book to learn networking? wouldn't the summaries be adequate? |
| 07:50.41 | ir0n-e | Exam Prep Network+ |
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| 07:50.56 | tra1a1a | yac: man radeon |
| 07:51.24 | eps | sif ati |
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| 07:52.02 | technos | miline: I think you want one of the mips-binary-1 images. |
| 07:52.03 | spdf | ir0n-e, do what you gotta do. |
| 07:52.13 | sep | ir0n-e: read the 700 page book, and try managing a large network and youll still learn something they didnt talk about. |
| 07:52.13 | eps | -e |
| 07:52.14 | tra1a1a | !start nvidia war |
| 07:52.24 | spdf | eps, Same here. I've waited 13 weeks so far to get mine back from RMA |
| 07:52.25 | ir0n-e | h8eh |
| 07:52.27 | ir0n-e | hehe |
| 07:52.33 | ir0n-e | i figured |
| 07:52.41 | eps | I cannot wait for the open graphics project to release some thing :) |
| 07:53.07 | eps | in fact... I'm putting off buying a pci graphics card (which I want for another monitor) until they release their card |
| 07:53.20 | ir0n-e | it just seems like they puffed up the damn book with pointless words and newbie comparative examples |
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| 07:53.50 | technos | eps: Open Graphics? They got shelved. The company funding it decided it was no longer a priority, and now they need a VC firm to pick it up. |
| 07:53.56 | spdf | ir0n-e, You'd likely do fine with just lecture notes.. |
| 07:54.24 | Smoking2000 | With this mornings changes to the exim4 packages in Sarge, our mail server no longer forwards incoming mail to any of our multiple domains to the internal server behind it, how should I reconfigure exim to have it forward to our internal mailserver again and not get any "relay not permitted" errors anymore? |
| 07:54.27 | ir0n-e | hehe, to me that statement is equivalent with "the chapter summaries are just fine," am i wrong? |
| 07:54.29 | ir0n-e | =) |
| 07:54.33 | cheal | technos: ur. I guess it was predictable |
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| 07:54.59 | eps | technos I heard they were continuing work on it though, so I'll wait, if they try doing it another way (public donations etc) I'll probably also help up |
| 07:55.00 | eps | out* |
| 07:55.06 | spdf | ir0n-e, I guess thats pretty much what I said, if the chapter summaries are your lectures.. |
| 07:55.14 | ir0n-e | =) |
| 07:55.14 | ir0n-e | k |
| 07:55.31 | spdf | ir0n-e, What level of schooling? |
| 07:55.42 | ir0n-e | i mean, wouldn't you agree somehwat that life is so damn short with work and college and all, that there is barely any time to read a 700 page book? |
| 07:55.45 | technos | eps: They were going to do dev boards, but actually getting the finished chips fabbed is on the order of a a megabuck. |
| 07:55.57 | yac | tra1a1a: hmmm, ok, i try that |
| 07:56.14 | liable | hmm, anyone here just get porn spam, or was it from another channel |
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| 07:56.42 | toresbe | liable: it was most likely from #ubuntu |
| 07:56.42 | spdf | ir0n-e, When's your exam? |
| 07:56.44 | eps | technos yeah, ...just hoping that it will happen within the next two years or so |
| 07:56.45 | technos | Was another channel. |
| 07:56.50 | toresbe | 09:53 <KaRizMa_> Sex Sex (url) |
| 07:56.52 | spdf | liable, Yah. Other channel. |
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| 07:57.03 | nomed^ | i need help |
| 07:57.12 | liable | hehe |
| 07:57.12 | spdf | nomed^, Don't we all? |
| 07:57.15 | deadcat | dont panic! |
| 07:57.20 | nomed^ | it seems debian version of cvs doesn't include ssl |
| 07:57.24 | nomed^ | is it possible |
| 07:57.28 | nomed^ | ? |
| 07:57.42 | deadcat | clarify your q |
| 07:57.52 | nomed^ | cvs login: Unknown method (`sserver') in CVSROOT. |
| 07:58.07 | nomed^ | should i compile cvs including ssl libs? |
| 07:58.18 | tra1a1a | !panic |
| 07:58.19 | dpkg | panic is, like, STAY CALM DAMMIT! |
| 07:58.25 | deadcat | we apt-get. dont compile |
| 07:58.30 | ir0n-e | spdf: i'm not taking an exam, i am just learning it because i want to know more about networking |
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| 07:58.55 | spdf | ir0n-e, Oh. If you're doing it for kicks then read the whole thing.. |
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| 07:59.16 | ir0n-e | spdf: with a busy schedule its hard to spend time away from gaming and stuff (when i have free time) to read a 700 page book to learn something, you know what i mean? |
| 07:59.30 | freewoody | Well my Exim MTA Server is still not working |
| 07:59.38 | nomed^ | can someone test cvs -H sserver ... |
| 07:59.51 | nomed^ | it should show an help about how to use cvs sserver |
| 07:59.52 | valdyn | ir0n-e: while you are at it ( learning ), learn to read fast and skip parts that you already know |
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| 08:00.10 | nomed^ | maybe i just need to enable something ... |
| 08:00.31 | tra1a1a | nomed^: #debian is not a cvs howto |
| 08:01.00 | ir0n-e | valdyn: heheh, i'll try, but if i read any faster, i lose any comprehension heh |
| 08:01.02 | nomed^ | tra1a1a, i need to know if debian cvs pkge works using sserver |
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| 08:01.11 | nomed^ | where to ask if not here ? |
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| 08:02.04 | tra1a1a | first, check the documentation of the package, and then see /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 08:02.26 | Smoking2000 | freewoody: what's your problem with exim? |
| 08:02.27 | digibox_ | I have a perl script but I want the results of the script to insert into gvim. can that be done? |
| 08:02.36 | jm_ | of course it can be done |
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| 08:03.26 | digibox_ | jm_, how would I do that. I tried ./cat.pl > gvim and I also tried ./cat.pl | gvim |
| 08:03.34 | jm_ | digibox_: :help :r! |
| 08:03.59 | deadcat | :help! |
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| 08:04.39 | valdyn | digibox: what about: "./cat.pl > file && gvim file" |
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| 08:06.28 | john | !windows os |
| 08:06.29 | dpkg | This is #Debian, os, not #bungholes! |
| 08:06.35 | john | hmm.... |
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| 08:07.18 | digibox_ | valdyn, doesn't work |
| 08:07.33 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 08:07.33 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 08:07.51 | pinks | Can anyone shed some light on an rsync problem between my sarge latop and my remote sarge server? I get an error of " error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(420) " |
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| 08:08.01 | digibox_ | I mean it doesnt do anything |
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| 08:08.04 | digibox_ | does that help |
| 08:08.10 | tra1a1a | no, it doesn't |
| 08:08.24 | tra1a1a | check /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 08:08.53 | Smoking2000 | pinks: it could be that it tried to transfer a file which contains charactes not supported by the locale like russian characters |
| 08:09.07 | digibox_ | gvim doesnt start and the program does not translate and send the translations to gvim or anything.... in other words just plane does not work |
| 08:09.21 | pinks | Smoking2000 : k checking that....... |
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| 08:09.34 | tra1a1a | digibox_: fine, read the smart questions now |
| 08:10.39 | tosh | what is the function of the lastlog? its not rotated on my machine, can I just cat /dev/null to it? what will I lose? |
| 08:11.25 | pinks | Smoking2000: only english and php in there. I can scp the files, but not rsync them |
| 08:11.49 | valdyn | tosh: man lastlog |
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| 08:12.08 | tra1a1a | tosh: you didn't bother to read the manual, did you? |
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| 08:14.21 | Smoking2000 | pinks: could it be that it tried to copy a lock file or some other file which it is not permitted to copy? |
| 08:14.28 | pinks | Smoking2000: in fact I have loaded everything with scp -r but rsync would be a better method if I could get it to work |
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| 08:17.00 | pinks | Smoking2000: no odd files in there. Some big images, but they show correctly locally |
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| 08:19.27 | tarzeau | is there some tool to display me all sorts of holidays? like christmas, easter and the like? |
| 08:19.41 | Smoking2000 | pinks: thats all I can think of right now, I got a similar error when I copied files to a Windows share via rsync to a local mount point, when it tried to copy files with odd characters, and files in use by the OS... |
| 08:19.56 | Smoking2000 | did you have any luck googling for the error? |
| 08:20.43 | pinks | Smoking2000: thanks anyway - Google didnt come up with anything useful either. I'll wait till my guru gets out of his bed ;-) |
| 08:21.48 | jm_ | tarzeau: hmm just holidays? not that I know - I use remind which lets you specify the holidays and it shows them on calendar for each month |
| 08:22.05 | sep | pinks: iirc i had a similar error message between a windows 2000 server running cygwin rsync and a linux rsync server. but that was just a typo in my rsync command. i remember the error message becouse it confused me a lot |
| 08:22.07 | Smoking2000 | pinks: good luck, sorry I couldn't be of any more help |
| 08:22.56 | sep | or was it a typo in the rsync server config file..cant remember exactly |
| 08:23.33 | john | somebody do that windows thing again |
| 08:23.41 | john | where it says "windows is a 32 bit.. blah blah" |
| 08:24.01 | jm_ | john: /msg dpkg listvalues 32 bit |
| 08:24.14 | jm_ | then ask it for matching factoids (via /msg!) |
| 08:24.33 | tra1a1a | that being the general approach |
| 08:24.38 | liable | john: /msg dpkg windows |
| 08:24.51 | tra1a1a | and the specific case is solved like that: /msg dpkg windows |
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| 08:26.18 | john | ;) |
| 08:26.18 | john | ty |
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| 08:27.17 | pinks | sep I have reduced my command to "rsync" to eliminate all possibilty of wrong options, but no good. |
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| 08:28.25 | nomed^ | tra1a1a, cvs debian version doesn't include sserver |
| 08:29.15 | tra1a1a | nomed^ : ok |
| 08:30.00 | tra1a1a | tra1a1a 100 |
| 08:30.09 | tra1a1a | ops, sorry about that |
| 08:30.46 | technos | I think I will kill my coworkers.. |
| 08:30.55 | nomed^ | i can't ask smart Q but i can arrive to 'smart' conclusion :) |
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| 08:31.19 | ac3 | hi |
| 08:31.33 | ac3 | how can i check which packages are installed? |
| 08:31.48 | tra1a1a | technos: please, don't kill anyone |
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| 08:31.53 | sep | ac34 man dpkg |
| 08:32.05 | technos | As an example of how moronic they are.. There are five clipboards in the office. Three large, legal size ones, and two small, standard size ones. There are stacks of pads in both legal and standard. Can you guess which they have chosen to affix to which? |
| 08:33.12 | tra1a1a | that's what we are - people. we are easily getting confused |
| 08:33.28 | technos | And this sort of thinking permeates everything they do. Everything is exactly backwards, I swear. |
| 08:34.12 | tra1a1a | why don't you prepare a presentation for them how to use the clipboards? |
| 08:34.31 | simonrvn | technos: legal on the standard clipboard, and standard on the legal clipboard? ;) |
| 08:34.54 | ac3 | yeah i know |
| 08:35.04 | simonrvn | i call that "stupid human tricks" |
| 08:35.14 | technos | tra1a1a: .... Y'know, that might be a good idea. "Mind If I have everyone retrained? I came in this evening and realized the day monkies couldn't even master how to use a clipboard." |
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| 08:35.20 | tra1a1a | I mean, basically there are two ways to deal with this problem - teach them to do the right thing, or teach yourself to not give a shit about them doing the wrong thing |
| 08:35.31 | simonrvn | ..after the david letterman skits |
| 08:35.34 | ac3 | but i how can i diplay only the package? |
| 08:35.38 | dondelelcaro | nomed^: the sserver functionality is only in the cvsnt version of cvs. Debian distributes the cvshome version of cvs. |
| 08:35.50 | ac3 | like rpm -qa | package-name |
| 08:36.00 | nomed^ | dondelelcaro, now i know :) |
| 08:36.17 | nomed^ | i was asking this ... :) |
| 08:36.46 | tra1a1a | ac3: read the man page again and focus on the -l option |
| 08:37.15 | nomed^ | ac3, apt-cache search apt-howto .. |
| 08:37.26 | nomed^ | it 's a very good doc |
| 08:37.38 | dondelelcaro | nomed^: if you want the cvsnt version to be packaged, you'll have to file an RFP bug against wnpp. |
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| 08:37.54 | ac3 | i know the -l option, but if the package-name is long it does not display the name completely |
| 08:38.04 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 08:38.17 | tra1a1a | sweet dreams |
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| 08:38.36 | nomed^ | dondelelcaro, i just needed the :sserver connection for freerepository.com .. |
| 08:38.39 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:38.45 | tra1a1a | ac3: use COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 08:38.51 | tra1a1a | or more if needed |
| 08:38.54 | nomed^ | i didn't know debian version doesn't support it |
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| 08:39.09 | dondelelcaro | why are you using frerepository.com? Just use sourceforge or something similar. |
| 08:39.10 | [sr] | howdy |
| 08:39.17 | nomed^ | i downloaded the source and dh_make .. debuild and now it works |
| 08:39.31 | Smoking2000 | ok I've figure out my exim4 problem, I needed to add our multiple domains to the MAIN_RELAY_TO_DOMAINS list, now it forwards all valid mail to our internal server again |
| 08:39.35 | nomed^ | (not debian source) |
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| 08:40.52 | ethics | i have a very wierd issue...my sarge laptop for some reason does not have xv nor xvinfo |
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| 08:41.37 | tra1a1a | ethics: apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 08:41.56 | [sr] | guys |
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| 08:42.09 | [sr] | does anyone has a IT8212 ide controller ? |
| 08:42.31 | tarzeau | jm_: it has them predefined? |
| 08:42.41 | jm_ | tarzeau: nope |
| 08:42.42 | ac3 | thx |
| 08:42.46 | ethics | tralala actually cancel that i have xvinfo but it say canot open display... |
| 08:44.17 | liable | ethics: you doing this as root, when logged in as user? |
| 08:44.32 | jethro | hello #debian |
| 08:44.37 | [sr] | no one?:P |
| 08:44.42 | sep | !anyone |
| 08:44.42 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 08:45.16 | technos | it8212? Isn't that one of those crappy on board jobbies you find on Intel mobos? |
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| 08:45.18 | [sr] | bah |
| 08:45.26 | ethics | liable yeah..im grabbing xbase-clients..it wasnt installed so will test again after |
| 08:45.30 | [sr] | not intel |
| 08:45.37 | [sr] | that's an asus board |
| 08:45.41 | [sr] | it sucks i know:S |
| 08:45.49 | liable | hi jethro :) |
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| 08:46.17 | tarzeau | jethro! |
| 08:46.26 | tarzeau | jethro: can we find 5 more players? |
| 08:46.30 | jethro | now? |
| 08:46.42 | tarzeau | jethro: no after 8 hours |
| 08:46.43 | ethics | whats the most minimalistic way to run x? i just want a shell,xmms & mplayer.... |
| 08:46.53 | tarzeau | ethics: exec xterm |
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| 08:46.57 | technos | ethics: twm! |
| 08:47.10 | jethro | tarzeau: I ll try to have a few friends join, but tonight, I m having a dinner with my boss, negociating me being fired |
| 08:47.34 | ethics | tarzeau hmm never thought of that hehe |
| 08:47.40 | tarzeau | ethics: using -geometry +0+0 |
| 08:47.51 | tarzeau | ethics: it's really minimalistic. but i prefer amiwm |
| 08:47.56 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/amiwm.png |
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| 08:48.33 | ethics | amiwm you say....and twm techos says...hmm ok to google we shall go |
| 08:48.44 | Coke | ethics: ion and icewm are pretty small too |
| 08:48.45 | sep | tarzeau: makes an old amiga users heart cry *sniff* |
| 08:48.51 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ for a great amiwm config |
| 08:48.59 | tarzeau | sep: oh well :) |
| 08:49.08 | tra1a1a | I recall someone mentioning openlook for being minimalistic |
| 08:49.10 | eps | gah... sifn't have a gui that takes advantage of current graphics tech |
| 08:49.10 | jim | ethics: you don't need a window manager... (note: a window manager is just another client, just like xdm, xterm, etc) |
| 08:49.16 | tarzeau | sep: try the package schism and http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
| 08:49.23 | tarzeau | tra1a1a: and ugly |
| 08:49.35 | ethics | only issue is its only a low end 400-500 mhz processor with 64 ram hehe |
| 08:49.43 | tarzeau | ethics: haha, that's a SUPER COMPUTER |
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| 08:49.55 | tarzeau | ethics: i run amiwm on a sparc classic, 50mhz, 48mb ram |
| 08:49.55 | tra1a1a | tarzeau: ok, I'll add that to my knowledge base about openlook |
| 08:50.04 | tarzeau | ethics: and mp3 playing! and browsing! |
| 08:50.06 | ethics | jim: ill try xterm first if its all i need then cool but im always looking at new WMs hehe i have about 8 loaded atm hehe |
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| 08:50.24 | ethics | tarzeau dvds? |
| 08:50.37 | e_mpika | hi |
| 08:50.40 | tarzeau | ethics: don't have a drive. but if you send me one with dvd. sure. know how a sparc classic box looks like? |
| 08:50.44 | technos | ethics: twm is antique, and does nothing more than draw simple borders and provide a root menu. I ran twm on a 386SX16 with 4M of ram at one point. |
| 08:50.47 | tarzeau | ethics: kinda like a mac mini.... |
| 08:50.50 | tra1a1a | ethics : it will be what you need, given that you don't need to move the apps around the screen |
| 08:50.51 | jim | ethics: hint, try to find out how to run a program using the standard parameters meant to position it on the screen |
| 08:51.02 | ethics | tarzeau oh one of THOSE!! |
| 08:51.04 | tarzeau | ethics: but without moving parts (coolers) |
| 08:51.07 | jim | ethics: try xterm first, you'll see what I mean |
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| 08:51.50 | tarzeau | ethics: http://www.yukikaze.kodaira.tokyo.jp/~k1-urabe/goods/computers/SPARCclassic.jpg |
| 08:51.50 | ethics | jim like mplayers -xy stuff hehe |
| 08:52.15 | jim | technos: sheesh... can you say "24-hour kernel compiles"? |
| 08:52.24 | jethro | is that on gentoo? |
| 08:52.43 | ethics | anyone know how to make any mozilla browser and any chat program click on a lin k = new tab from irc? |
| 08:52.46 | technos | jim: No sir. The 1.2 kernels were not exactly huge. :) |
| 08:52.52 | tarzeau | jim: so long? i've baked a kernel on my sparc classic in 5 hours |
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| 08:53.26 | ethics | tarzeau, i have a xt that has more flashing lights and switches on hehe |
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| 08:53.38 | jim | technos: I dunno, this one 386 at school took a long time |
| 08:53.40 | tarzeau | ethics: mine can netboot! |
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| 08:54.02 | ethics | tarzeau: leet break out the haxor expletives!! |
| 08:54.09 | p2-mate | tarzeau: hmm, I thought it was like 10 or more on my classic. did you overclock it ? :) |
| 08:54.25 | jim | leet break? oh good, I was getting tired of leet... |
| 08:54.31 | tarzeau | p2-mate: maybe it's 20 or 25, i've got 50 bogomips |
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| 08:54.44 | tarzeau | p2-mate: ipx have less, and no rj45 |
| 08:54.57 | tarzeau | leet breakfast? |
| 08:55.14 | jim | haxor stew |
| 08:55.15 | tarzeau | http://tuxick.net/pics/leet.jpg |
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| 08:55.50 | p2-mate | tarzeau: except if you have this weitek upgrade CPU |
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| 08:56.15 | tarzeau | p2-mate: you know, i've got a dual ultrasparc cpu ultra2 |
| 08:56.18 | e_mpika | anybody use a dlink router/firewall? |
| 08:56.26 | jethro | no |
| 08:56.30 | tra1a1a | !anyone |
| 08:56.31 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 08:56.31 | tarzeau | p2-mate: it is smaller but louder than my alpha |
| 08:56.36 | jim | e_mpika: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 08:56.41 | tra1a1a | !anyone use |
| 08:56.42 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 08:56.43 | tarzeau | e_mpika: nobody should use a firewall |
| 08:56.45 | jethro | anybody prefered using a home brewed linux based router firewall |
| 08:56.50 | tarzeau | e_mpika: and routers only if you isp sucks |
| 08:56.50 | p2-mate | tarzeau: nice |
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| 08:56.54 | technos | Weitek? That is a blast from the past, heh. |
| 08:56.58 | tarzeau | jethro: no |
| 08:56.58 | jethro | !moron anybody |
| 08:56.59 | dpkg | anybody: You are moron #34 |
| 08:57.10 | e_mpika | !? |
| 08:57.13 | jethro | tarzeau: then it must be anyone. I never recall who's who |
| 08:57.41 | e_mpika | well, im having problems setting up this dlink firewall :S |
| 08:57.50 | tarzeau | e_mpika: nice |
| 08:57.51 | p2-mate | tarzeau: I would love to have a multi CPU alpha though |
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| 08:57.54 | jim | select moron_name from morons where moron_id = 34 |
| 08:57.56 | tarzeau | !tell e_mpika about ask |
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| 08:58.06 | tra1a1a | e_mpika: does it run debian? |
| 08:58.20 | e_mpika | lol tra1a1a no... |
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| 08:58.28 | tarzeau | e_mpika: how is it related to here, then? |
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| 08:58.51 | sidvicius | its not very fast your site tarzeau |
| 08:58.52 | sidvicius | :( |
| 08:58.57 | e_mpika | tarzeau its not.. |
| 08:59.03 | jethro | it's in .ch, that's why |
| 08:59.05 | tarzeau | sidvicius: did you have a 2s delay? |
| 08:59.11 | sidvicius | more i thin |
| 08:59.12 | sidvicius | k |
| 08:59.13 | tra1a1a | e_mpika: exactly our point |
| 08:59.14 | Space_NL | i know this is not directly a debian question, but, does anyone know if the "intel anypoint wireless home network" is maybe not on a "real" wireless protocol ? |
| 08:59.15 | tarzeau | jethro: on a private dynamic ip |
| 08:59.31 | jim | e_mpika: probably you reset it, then you connect to it with your computer, and try browsing 192.168.1.1... YMMV. READ the manual first. These instructions may not apply to your device. |
| 08:59.49 | jethro | tarzeau: I m kidding. I grew up near the swiss border, and we were always making fun of the swiss people being rather slow |
| 08:59.51 | sidvicius | hey, how can i get more speed in gnome? |
| 08:59.56 | tarzeau | sidvicius: you can't |
| 09:00.03 | sidvicius | because i installed gnome in one Transmeta procesor |
| 09:00.05 | jim | sidvicius: you need a chemist |
| 09:00.12 | sidvicius | and isn't very fast :( |
| 09:00.14 | e_mpika | you dont think i havnt rtfm!? i would have to resort to irc if the manual acctualy contained any usefull information at all |
| 09:00.16 | tarzeau | jethro: but i'm not swiss |
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| 09:00.28 | tarzeau | jethro: where exactly was that? |
| 09:00.31 | valdyn | sidvicius: what exactly is slow? |
| 09:00.38 | jim | sidvicius: you could run something like fvwm |
| 09:00.40 | tarzeau | e_mpika: it's not related to #debian |
| 09:00.40 | jethro | tarzeau: 15km away from geneva, on the french side |
| 09:00.55 | jethro | tarzeau: between thonon and geneva to be accurate |
| 09:00.58 | sidvicius | jim yes |
| 09:01.10 | sidvicius | but i don't have the same compatibility with libsmbclient |
| 09:01.11 | sidvicius | you kniow |
| 09:01.15 | tarzeau | jethro: i'm like 4 hours north/east of geneva |
| 09:01.18 | sidvicius | nautilus its great! |
| 09:01.23 | tarzeau | sidvicius: no it's bullshit |
| 09:01.23 | jethro | tarzeau: and I know you're not, Iwas just assuming the host was in .ch that's all :p |
| 09:01.24 | jim | I happen to like fvwm for the useful window borders |
| 09:01.27 | e_mpika | no tarzeau.. but this channel has technically minded people that might have been able to help |
| 09:01.31 | tarzeau | jethro: yes that's right |
| 09:01.38 | tra1a1a | e_mpika: reading the manual is not enough |
| 09:01.42 | tarzeau | e_mpika: yes but since you got no answers, don't ask again |
| 09:01.45 | tra1a1a | !tell e_mpika about smart questions |
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| 09:01.56 | jethro | !they don't know |
| 09:01.56 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 09:02.05 | sidvicius | i probed xfce and its really fast, but its suck in archives containers |
| 09:02.06 | jim | e_mpika: say, care to enter into a service contract? :) |
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| 09:02.29 | valdyn | sidvicius: you can use nautilus in xfce too |
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| 09:02.34 | e_mpika | seeing as ive just got a bunch of abuse from jumped up debian users.. im out |
| 09:02.36 | e_mpika | christ |
| 09:02.40 | e_mpika | freindly channel |
| 09:02.41 | fredm | hi people. |
| 09:02.43 | jim | I get money, you get help and you don't have to read manuals :) |
| 09:02.46 | valdyn | sidvicius: ( though that wont speed up nautilus itself ) |
| 09:02.46 | jethro | !fgi e_mpika solutions+to+your+non+debian+problem |
| 09:02.47 | postel | I export my X sessions from a debian box thats remote, everything works just fine, only problem is any kind of sound playing comes off the speakers of the remote box, i want it to come from the local ones, i know there should be some sound manager config involved, i just kind find any documentation about it, anybody knows of any docs or howtos? |
| 09:02.47 | dpkg | e_mpika: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=solutions+to+your+non+debian+problem |
| 09:02.48 | sidvicius | yes but i cant get the icons |
| 09:02.51 | jethro | fuck |
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| 09:02.59 | jethro | !fgi jethro foo bar |
| 09:03.00 | dpkg | jethro: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=foo bar |
| 09:03.00 | rixth | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.04 | jethro | dpkg: you suck |
| 09:03.04 | dpkg | Dream on, jethro. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 09:03.13 | sidvicius | because nautilus need gnome to get all functions |
| 09:03.13 | tarzeau | rixth: #mplayer |
| 09:03.22 | jethro | !lart dpkg for not knowing <url></url> type |
| 09:03.31 | jethro | damn bot, can't lart itself |
| 09:03.39 | sidvicius | and if i will install nautilus, i need to install the 60% of libraries of gnome |
| 09:03.40 | jetscreamer | can't? |
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| 09:03.46 | jetscreamer | or won't... |
| 09:03.51 | tarzeau | sidvicius: yes i told you it's bad |
| 09:03.55 | valdyn | sidvicius: installing software doesnt make things slow.. |
| 09:04.04 | jethro | jetscreamer: needs a few kicks in the belly I assume |
| 09:04.04 | rixth | tarzeau, not really. I've asked it there though. |
| 09:04.20 | fredm | I'm translating the cvs manual to brazilian portuguese. But I'm facing troubles to translate some words. One of then is 'commit'. I want to know, why that word? answers will help me |
| 09:04.21 | rixth | (I'm using totem-xine) |
| 09:04.21 | kokoko1 | do someone use clamav? |
| 09:04.25 | tarzeau | rixth: i guess your file is broken |
| 09:04.28 | tarzeau | !poll |
| 09:04.28 | dpkg | You wanna poll me? You can't handle polling me! |
| 09:04.33 | tarzeau | !poll kokoko1 |
| 09:04.39 | jim | jethro: actually the way it is is a good thing: in that form, people with some clients can click the link (like me on xchat) |
| 09:04.41 | jethro | @lart dpkg for not knowing <url></url> and not larting itself when requested |
| 09:04.48 | jetscreamer | dict commit dude |
| 09:05.13 | jetscreamer | it's like point of no return, it's done, too late, no changee your mindee |
| 09:05.13 | sidvicius | eys :) |
| 09:05.17 | sidvicius | but for example |
| 09:05.22 | kokoko1 | tarzeau, what does it mean? |
| 09:05.25 | rixth | tarzeau, No, it happens to all my wmvs. |
| 09:05.27 | jethro | jim: the whole point of the <url></url> is that you don't have to URL'ify your !fgi so that users can click. it does basic url encoding for ' ' and likewise |
| 09:05.30 | sidvicius | i have gnome + kernel 2.6.11.10 + XFree86 |
| 09:05.30 | valdyn | rixth: unrar is an incomplete free reimplementation of the unfree unrar-nonfree, so you probably want that or just only plain "rar" from non-free |
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| 09:05.34 | tarzeau | kokoko1: that the way you asked sucked badly |
| 09:05.40 | sidvicius | and this use 296 BM |
| 09:05.41 | sidvicius | MB |
| 09:05.41 | sidvicius | :) |
| 09:05.46 | kokoko1 | tarzeau, aha oki |
| 09:05.53 | sidvicius | but its in french :) |
| 09:05.54 | jim | oic |
| 09:06.01 | tarzeau | rixth: maybe they are all broken? where from did you get them? can i have one copy? did they ever work , anywhere? |
| 09:06.04 | fredm | jetscremer: no, no, no... take a look in the dictionary is not good. not for this specific word. As i say, it is hard to translate |
| 09:06.07 | sidvicius | i will upload the iso in internet .. |
| 09:06.16 | valdyn | rixth: but then again, you probably know that already since everyone looks at package descriptions before installing random packages, dont they |
| 09:06.17 | jethro | I wonder which of the blootbots here have it |
| 09:06.18 | sidvicius | and this system is based in debian :) |
| 09:06.22 | kokoko1 | I just wana know if someone suggest me nice adn good log analysis tool "script" for clamav + spamassissin |
| 09:06.26 | tarzeau | !based on debian |
| 09:06.26 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 09:06.32 | tarzeau | sidvicius: it's NOT DEBIAN |
| 09:06.33 | jetscreamer | @dict commit |
| 09:06.36 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'commit' (2 of 8): cause to be admitted; of persons to an institution; "After the second episode, she had to be committed"; "he was committed to prison" ;; confer a trust upon; "The messenger was entrusted with the general's secret"; "I commit my soul to God" . |
| 09:06.43 | sidvicius | :( |
| 09:06.50 | rixth | Turns out it was DRM. |
| 09:06.57 | jethro | SHOW YOUR COMMITMENT ASAP |
| 09:07.11 | tarzeau | HILARIOUS INFIDELS! |
| 09:07.15 | jethro | :) |
| 09:07.27 | sidvicius | what time is it in usa? |
| 09:07.28 | jim | sidvicius: just so you know... "based on debian" won't get you support... it's just too much for helpers to have to learn |
| 09:07.28 | jetscreamer | asp is your god? |
| 09:07.34 | jim | NOW! |
| 09:07.41 | valdyn | sidvicius: varies |
| 09:07.43 | spdf | NOT LATER! |
| 09:07.50 | valdyn | sidvicius: www.whattimeisit.com |
| 09:07.53 | fredm | ravenbird: this definition agree with the meaning used in csv? |
| 09:07.54 | ravenbird | no idea, fredm |
| 09:07.55 | jethro | jetscreamer: that's what one of my former employers used to say twice a day |
| 09:07.55 | jim | the time in the US is NOW! |
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| 09:07.57 | beardy | sidvicius: google timezones |
| 09:08.19 | spdf | sidvicius, USA has different time zones.. |
| 09:08.23 | sidvicius | i know :) |
| 09:08.34 | tarzeau | !xplanet |
| 09:08.34 | dpkg | it has been said that xplanet is a application that can render images of the earth in various projections, add on cloudscapes, day/night, satelites, point maps of places on the globe, and even model other planets|moons. apt-get install xplanet xplanet-images |
| 09:08.36 | jetscreamer | it's 1400hrs |
| 09:08.47 | jetscreamer | all across the usa |
| 09:08.50 | jim | we're in daylight time; at the moment the range is UTC-4 - UTC-7 |
| 09:09.04 | jetscreamer | it's utc40 |
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| 09:09.22 | vick | How can i copy a couple of .pdf files into a writable CD on Fedora ? |
| 09:09.31 | valdyn | vick: haha |
| 09:09.31 | jethro | vick: we don't know |
| 09:09.33 | jetscreamer | xpdf |
| 09:09.34 | tarzeau | vick: GO AWAY |
| 09:09.49 | vick | using xcdroast ? |
| 09:09.50 | jethro | vick: what is the channel you just joined? is it #fedora? |
| 09:09.56 | sidvicius | rm -rf /usr/share/zoneinfo :) |
| 09:09.58 | tarzeau | vick: NO. GO AWAY. |
| 09:10.00 | directhex|work | vick, i'm not sure that's a relevant question to #debian |
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| 09:10.19 | jetscreamer | vick, first you open up my computer, then browse to c:\program files... |
| 09:10.25 | tarzeau | debian is not an ancient word to help humanity |
| 09:10.29 | tarzeau | GO TO #UBUNTO |
| 09:10.33 | spdf | vick, fedora fedora and fedora, if fedora is fedora then fedora fedora fedora... #fedora |
| 09:10.45 | Space_NL | bijv |
| 09:10.45 | directhex|work | considering he's in #gentoo as well, this is probably a troll |
| 09:10.47 | fredm | OK. imagine that I'm a 6 years old clild. And you are teaching me CVS. then you teach me who to put a file into the repository. so, you show me the cvs commit command. And I asked: "commit? what is this?". who can you answer my question? (remember, i'm 6 years old) |
| 09:10.55 | jim | as I said the other day... helpers here have a tendency to become hostile |
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| 09:10.58 | jetscreamer | PUT |
| 09:11.02 | SlayerCE | fredm: /part #debian; /join #cvs |
| 09:11.10 | valdyn | fredm: #cvs or man cvs |
| 09:11.11 | sidvicius | debian is debian |
| 09:11.11 | jetscreamer | PONGA, PONER |
| 09:11.25 | jethro | s/on IRC networks// |
| 09:11.29 | sidvicius | if you have problem with debian, packets, configurations, etc you need to enter here |
| 09:11.36 | fredm | SlayerCE: i will try in #cvs. |
| 09:11.38 | jetscreamer | bullshit, debian is linspire |
| 09:11.40 | sidvicius | but not with pheriphicals |
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| 09:11.47 | jethro | !irritate jetscreamer |
| 09:11.48 | dpkg | jetscreamer: HELP ME!!! who uses gnome lol |
| 09:11.51 | jim | feriferals! |
| 09:11.54 | fredm | valdyn: man cvs don't work. are you a bot? |
| 09:12.00 | tra1a1a | haha :) |
| 09:12.03 | jetscreamer | i use gnome in my rocket ship |
| 09:12.03 | jim | sorry :) |
| 09:12.04 | tra1a1a | !irritate me |
| 09:12.05 | dpkg | tra1a1a: Y iz debain so old? who uses gnome kk |
| 09:12.17 | sidvicius | when debian will exit xorg support? |
| 09:12.17 | valdyn | fredm: yea im a bot |
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| 09:12.31 | jethro | where cn I get w4rez 4 debina lololo????????? |
| 09:12.34 | tarzeau | !list |
| 09:12.35 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 09:12.35 | jetscreamer | june 14, 2006 |
| 09:12.38 | valdyn | !tell sidvicius about xorg |
| 09:12.49 | jetscreamer | 0735hrs |
| 09:12.58 | jim | fredm: go to redbean and download the cvs book |
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| 09:13.02 | jim | try info cvs |
| 09:13.16 | valdyn | !find cvs.1.gz |
| 09:13.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cvs.1.gz' (6 of 9): (/usr/share/man/man1/cvs.1.gz) in devel/cvs ;; (/usr/share/man/man1/mcvs.1.gz) in devel/mcvs ;; (/usr/share/man/man1/gcvs.1.gz) in devel/gcvs ;; (/usr/share/man/man1/tkcvs.1.gz) in devel/tkcvs ;; (/usr/share/man/man1/ocamlcvs.1.gz) in devel/ocamlcvs ;; (/usr/share/man/man1/lincvs.1.gz) in non-free/devel/lincvs. |
| 09:13.24 | jim | what are you trying to do? |
| 09:13.55 | valdyn | fredm: installing cvs would be a first step.. |
| 09:13.57 | jetscreamer | COMETA |
| 09:13.59 | jim | hmm... seems you'd have the man page if you had the debian package of cvs installed.... |
| 09:14.42 | jim | if you can, look into the more modern alternatives to cvs |
| 09:14.47 | fredm | doleyb: what kind of connotations? |
| 09:14.49 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.59 | jim | svn, arch are both free |
| 09:15.11 | jetscreamer | COMMIT may express the general idea of delivering into another's charge or the special sense of transferring to a superior power or to a special place of custody |
| 09:15.27 | fredm | doleyb: so if you do cvscommit in a file, means that file is insane? |
| 09:15.32 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 09:15.41 | jetscreamer | or a criminal |
| 09:15.56 | doleyb | fredm: No, but it means that you are giving up responsibility for that file to the respository, in the same way ... |
| 09:16.03 | jim | no, that means you're claiming it to be insane :) |
| 09:16.13 | jethro | or a 50 years old slut on prozac |
| 09:16.14 | doleyb | fredm: that an insane man's family gives up responsibility for him to a hospital. |
| 09:16.15 | bob2 | !+find Memo |
| 09:16.16 | dpkg | searching for package name should be fully lowercase! |
| 09:16.16 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'Memo' (4): cl-memoization ;; cl-rsm-memo ;; lmemory ;; timemon.app. |
| 09:16.31 | fredm | doleyb: that is good: So, commit means that you are giving something, but also giving away responsibility for it to a large organization. |
| 09:16.32 | jim | and it will put you in an editor first so you can justify your opinion of that :) |
| 09:16.35 | doleyb | fredm: commit means "Here, have this, and you will be taking care of it from now on, I am done with it" |
| 09:16.39 | jetscreamer | ooo lowercase |
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| 09:17.29 | doleyb | fredm: A programmer knows that once he has committed his changes to CVS, he can go ahead and burn his PC on fire. Because the changes are safe in the repository. |
| 09:17.30 | jetscreamer | so: are you committed? |
| 09:17.42 | fredm | doleyb: unfortunately, I cant find a brazilian word to that meaning. but i will look for |
| 09:17.47 | jetscreamer | COMETA |
| 09:17.56 | jim | welll hooold on thar partner.... what if the repo is on the burning box?! |
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| 09:18.55 | jim | that's a perfectly acceptable situation (except for the burning part)_ |
| 09:19.04 | doleyb | fredm: "commit" isn't something an English six year old would know, anyhow. |
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| 09:19.23 | jetscreamer | hey babelfish sucks |
| 09:19.36 | tra1a1a | dpkg, you suck |
| 09:19.36 | dpkg | Dream on, tra1a1a. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
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| 09:20.04 | tra1a1a | dpkg, you rock |
| 09:20.04 | dpkg | tra1a1a: :) |
| 09:20.08 | doleyb | jetscreamer: translate(en,pr,"commit")="cometa", but translate(pr,en,"cometa")="comet" |
| 09:20.21 | tarzeau | tra1a1a: www.linuks.mine.nu/rockstone.jpg |
| 09:20.22 | jethro | dpkg: shut up and be a good bot now |
| 09:20.23 | dpkg | jethro: thanks |
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| 09:20.48 | tra1a1a | tarzeau: hehe, nice :) |
| 09:21.06 | tra1a1a | dpkg, you rule |
| 09:21.06 | dpkg | aw, gee, tra1a1a |
| 09:21.07 | sidvicius | i think to make one manual |
| 09:21.12 | tra1a1a | dpkg rulez |
| 09:21.13 | dpkg | Yeah, I do, don't I? |
| 09:21.13 | sidvicius | i don't know my problem :( |
| 09:21.24 | jim | so commit is like a comet if you go by way of portugal? |
| 09:21.40 | fredm | doley: pr? |
| 09:21.41 | tra1a1a | sidic: so? |
| 09:21.46 | tra1a1a | sidvicius: so? |
| 09:21.52 | jetscreamer | yeah i noticed that |
| 09:22.32 | fredm | jim: portuguese is pt. brazilian portuguese is pt_BR |
| 09:22.44 | jim | so what's pr? |
| 09:22.53 | fredm | doleyb: completely wrong |
| 09:23.21 | fredm | jim: dont kown |
| 09:23.48 | fredm | doleyb: this is 'cometa', in portuguese |
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| 09:25.04 | jim | fredm: so what are you trying to do? |
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| 09:26.26 | fredm | find a word, in portuguese, equivalent to the meaning of commit in cvs context. |
| 09:26.49 | fredm | try to translate 'saudade' to english |
| 09:27.02 | tra1a1a | fredm: and all this is somehow related to #deiban? |
| 09:27.13 | fredm | 'saudade' is a feeeling. when i miss someone, i'm feeling 'saudade' |
| 09:27.16 | tra1a1a | bah, #debian |
| 09:27.21 | jetscreamer | hey here's a weird idea: did you ask in #debian-br ? |
| 09:27.43 | jim | that's a word idea :) |
| 09:27.54 | fredm | tra1a1a: no. not directly |
| 09:28.02 | jetscreamer | yuk yuk yuk... emphasis on yuck... :) |
| 09:28.26 | tra1a1a | fredm: well, don't let that stop you from discussing it here |
| 09:28.32 | jethro | !irritate fredm |
| 09:28.33 | dpkg | fredm: hi every1 who uses gnome !!!1 |
| 09:28.54 | fredm | jetscreamer: we, brazilians are very lazy to translate english words. my friends in #debian-br use the same word |
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| 09:29.16 | fredm | we dont translate a lot of words. for example: mouse and software |
| 09:29.19 | jetscreamer | wait i've got it! |
| 09:29.32 | jethro | fredm: don't you think it's a bit off topic? and when I say a bit, I m trying not to underestimate |
| 09:29.45 | sidvicius | tra1a1a what its your problem? |
| 09:29.48 | sidvicius | hahah |
| 09:29.52 | jetscreamer | commito! like telephono or television... |
| 09:29.59 | fredm | jethro: yes. i agree. i'll try in #cvs |
| 09:30.08 | jethro | fredm: thank you |
| 09:30.25 | jim | fredm: hence Antonio Carlos Jobim => Tony |
| 09:30.46 | jetscreamer | taking up all the screen realestate with that conversation eh jethro ... time to upgrade from that 4" |
| 09:30.50 | doleyb | you mean henceo |
| 09:31.18 | tra1a1a | sidvicius: you |
| 09:31.24 | jethro | jetscreamer: it's ok, I have a 1920x1200 widescreen at the moment, so space is not a problem |
| 09:31.26 | jetscreamer | dvd-o...vhs-o... |
| 09:31.34 | sidvicius | your mother |
| 09:31.37 | sidvicius | in ly dick xD |
| 09:31.58 | jetscreamer | kiram tu kosse nanat |
| 09:32.05 | jetscreamer | or however you spell it |
| 09:32.17 | jetscreamer | who speaks farsi? |
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| 09:33.16 | technos | jetscreamer: I'd assume a lot of Iranians do. |
| 09:33.26 | jetscreamer | yukyukyuk |
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| 09:34.13 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 09:34.28 | jetscreamer | no you're not |
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| 09:34.57 | sidvicius | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.4p1 Debian 1:3.4p1-1.woody.3 |
| 09:35.01 | sidvicius | opps |
| 09:35.08 | ^rob^ | is there a way to make macromedia flash to view correct fonts? - i have gsfonts, x11gsfonts and microsoft ttf too - but arial is not arial in flash player |
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| 09:37.07 | jetscreamer | so did you change the font path in the xf86config-4 like it said, when you installed msttcorefonts? |
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| 09:37.40 | ^rob^ | jetscreamer: 1 sec i'll ck - don't remember |
| 09:37.52 | jetscreamer | i know nothing, but i know it says that |
| 09:38.13 | ^rob^ | ain't in ttf ? |
| 09:38.26 | jetscreamer | or was it ttf CID and the other one |
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| 09:38.37 | jetscreamer | same thing |
| 09:39.43 | jetscreamer | yeah the cid and the other one(i forget the other).. also, xfs or xtt? |
| 09:40.05 | jetscreamer | and some programs alias arial as helvectia |
| 09:40.14 | ^rob^ | but i use defoma |
| 09:40.36 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 09:40.38 | ^rob^ | do i still need to tell X the path to ms ttf? - i can see the fonts |
| 09:40.50 | ^rob^ | i can see arial arial black etc |
| 09:40.51 | jetscreamer | not sure, but nobody else had any ideas |
| 09:40.56 | jm_ | it depends on the app, if it's not using fontconfig, you do |
| 09:41.07 | ^rob^ | i use defoma |
| 09:41.11 | jetscreamer | cept jm_ the cool brainy guy |
| 09:41.25 | jethro | !tell ^rob^ -about ttf |
| 09:42.32 | ^rob^ | jethro: i can see the fonts in firefox or other aplication - just mmflash does not see this correctly |
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| 09:43.14 | ^rob^ | jethro: do you use flash plugin? |
| 09:43.30 | jethro | ^rob^: yes I do |
| 09:43.42 | jethro | ^rob^: I don't use mstt fonts on the other hand |
| 09:43.55 | jetscreamer | i installed flash for linux once... could not figure out how to remove it... fdisk worked though |
| 09:44.05 | ^rob^ | LOOOL |
| 09:44.15 | jetscreamer | true story |
| 09:44.23 | ^rob^ | jethro: you use gsfonts? |
| 09:44.33 | jetscreamer | i was gonna anyway though |
| 09:44.49 | jethro | ^rob^: I must be using the default fonts, I didn't tweak anything on this side |
| 09:45.01 | ^rob^ | jetscreamer: you have 2 del 2 files from mozilla plugin dir. |
| 09:45.28 | jetscreamer | ah. why does a freshly 'formatted' 4.4gb ext3 partition use 120mb of space? |
| 09:45.29 | ^rob^ | jethro: what distrib do you have? Sarge? |
| 09:45.33 | jethro | jetscreamer: can't you just use mozilla to remove the plugin? |
| 09:45.41 | jethro | ^rob^: I use unstable as a desktop |
| 09:45.50 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 09:45.53 | ^rob^ | i use sarge |
| 09:46.10 | yaccobb | how can i adjust brightness or constrast in X server ? |
| 09:46.29 | jetscreamer | but a freshly formatted jfs partition, and fat32, use only kb's |
| 09:46.35 | Gathond | jetscreamer: the journal would be my guess |
| 09:46.39 | ^rob^ | yaccobb: kde has this feature in control center |
| 09:46.54 | scoopexH | hi - ist it possible to inherit rights or groups from a directory, if a fle is created in that directory ? |
| 09:46.56 | ^rob^ | yaccobb: gnome i donno - i use kde |
| 09:47.06 | simonrvn | yaccobb: xgamma |
| 09:47.06 | jethro | scoopexH: chmod g+s |
| 09:47.09 | jetscreamer | yaccobb: xgamma |
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| 09:47.25 | jethro | jetscreamer: setgid directory is what you want I think |
| 09:47.46 | yaccobb | simonrvn, jetscreamer :thanks |
| 09:47.56 | jetscreamer | he doesn't look like my tabbuddy jethro |
| 09:47.56 | jethro | damn |
| 09:48.04 | jethro | scoopexH: setgid directory is what you want I think |
| 09:48.04 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 09:48.14 | jethro | I m such a dumbass today |
| 09:48.15 | ^rob^ | scoopexH: it is - google a lil' bit for unix rights |
| 09:48.28 | tra1a1a | !tell tra1a1a about smart questions |
| 09:48.54 | yaccobb | simonrvn / jetscreamer: has it some graphical form ? |
| 09:49.08 | simonrvn | just run it from a term |
| 09:49.17 | jetscreamer | probably, but no idea. apt-cache search maybe |
| 09:49.29 | simonrvn | no it doesn't |
| 09:49.44 | jetscreamer | how about: yeah it has a front end. it's called kde... :o |
| 09:49.47 | ^rob^ | yaccobb: what windows manager do you use? |
| 09:50.37 | yaccobb | ^rob^: gnome |
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| 09:50.48 | simonrvn | gnome is not a window manager |
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| 09:51.25 | jetscreamer | my remote rh es 3.0 box with the 4 procs and 4 gigs keeps locking up, and if i complain, they might notice that i'm not supposed to have 4gigs or ram! what do i do??? |
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| 09:51.30 | ^rob^ | yaccobb: gnome is the global lib name like qt. |
| 09:51.48 | yaccobb | simonrvn: no idea than... |
| 09:52.06 | simonrvn | likely it's metacity |
| 09:52.24 | jetscreamer | i'm only supposed to have 128mb available :) |
| 09:52.33 | ^rob^ | yaccobb: i use kde - it is more stable. |
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| 09:52.36 | simonrvn | heh |
| 09:52.49 | Yatesy | god might as well use the windows one :P |
| 09:52.59 | ^rob^ | yaccobb: and has the feature you need in control center |
| 09:53.17 | jethro | ^rob^: how is kde more stable than gnome? |
| 09:53.26 | yaccobb | ^rob^: there are manz oppinions for gnome/KDE. |
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| 09:53.45 | ^rob^ | jethro: man - i used both this is my oppinion - |
| 09:54.01 | jetscreamer | in soviet russia, gnome is stable |
| 09:54.07 | jetscreamer | (hey i'm not russian) |
| 09:54.11 | jethro | ^rob^: say that you prefer kde, stability is not really a difference between the two |
| 09:54.16 | yaccobb | jetscreamer: lol |
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| 09:54.53 | yaccobb | ^rob^: i think too thez are both stable... but I must say gnome sessions suck a bit form me... |
| 09:55.03 | tra1a1a | ah, those lasy anantech forums soviet russia jokes... |
| 09:55.30 | ^rob^ | ok |
| 09:55.47 | jetscreamer | i've only seen em here, but i quit hanging on anadtech forums.. i use to be one of the regulars back before it went commercial |
| 09:55.59 | jetscreamer | in the big way |
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| 09:56.17 | yaccobb | btw E17 enlighment is Windows manager or.. the other think like gnome or kde ? |
| 09:56.23 | yaccobb | ;) |
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| 09:56.28 | jethro | yaccobb: wm |
| 09:56.29 | raz_cx | Hello. |
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| 09:56.44 | yaccobb | jethro: that mean i can run gnome with e17 ? |
| 09:56.53 | jetscreamer | no |
| 09:56.57 | jethro | yaccobb: I d say yes |
| 09:57.01 | jetscreamer | wrong way to parse |
| 09:57.10 | jethro | yaccobb: I don't see a point in doing it though |
| 09:57.21 | yaccobb | jethro: i am just curious |
| 09:57.23 | jetscreamer | arent they both like desktops or somehting? |
| 09:57.36 | raz_cx | I'm having a problem reporting what appears to me to be a pretty serious bug (#310722), but the maintainer is being obstoperous. |
| 09:57.40 | yaccobb | jethro: that's what i am asking;) |
| 09:57.42 | jethro | jetscreamer: I ll try that. I use DR17, but didn't bother to add some bloat to it |
| 09:58.05 | raz_cx | Can anyone suggest how to make progress on this? |
| 09:58.10 | yaccobb | and what's gnome wm ? |
| 09:58.19 | jetscreamer | metacity |
| 09:58.22 | jethro | yaccobb: metacity is now the default, used to be sawfish |
| 09:58.29 | jetscreamer | can use sawfish, and that used to be the default |
| 09:58.33 | jetscreamer | jinx |
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| 09:58.55 | yaccobb | i see... and panels ? |
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| 09:59.07 | jethro | yaccobb: what's the point of your questions? |
| 09:59.10 | ^rob^ | anyone use openbox? |
| 09:59.18 | jethro | yaccobb: do you hav ea problem, or are you just being curious? |
| 09:59.32 | jethro | ^rob^: ask your question, if someone knows, they'll tell you |
| 09:59.36 | jetscreamer | many ppl use openbox. why are you taking a poll |
| 09:59.42 | yaccobb | jethro: Just curious. ok, ok, I shut up. |
| 09:59.42 | jetscreamer | jinx |
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| 10:00.24 | jethro | yaccobb: that's not what I meant, but if you're just being curious, I ll renice you and set a lower priority to your questions :) |
| 10:01.17 | ^rob^ | jethro: how does openbox handle qt style? - do you have 2 different styles in it gnome style an kde or merge the styles somehow! |
| 10:01.44 | jethro | ^rob^: I don't use openbox, I was just pointing out the fact that one should not ask to ask, but ask a real question. |
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| 10:02.01 | ^rob^ | jethro: oh - sorry |
| 10:02.03 | yaccobb | jethro: heh, if you wanna hear some igh priority question... i am unable to enable xvideo on Radeon 9250 with radeon nor fglrx driver :( |
| 10:02.22 | yaccobb | jethro: so fulscreen pretty sucks... |
| 10:02.41 | jethro | yaccobb: did you /msg dpkg ati already? |
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| 10:02.54 | ^rob^ | gtg |
| 10:02.55 | ^rob^ | bye |
| 10:02.58 | yaccobb | bye |
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| 10:03.57 | yaccobb | jethro: now i am running radeon driver, but switching to fglrx is just matter of rewriting and uncommenting few lines |
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| 10:04.47 | jethro | yaccobb: I m not experienced with this. I d say directhex|work might have an answer for you, he seems to be the expert at such things |
| 10:05.08 | Zitter | hi, i'm trying to install cycle for my girlfriend but it failed not importing wxversion... which package i have to install? |
| 10:05.40 | yaccobb | jethro: ok, thans for tip. |
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| 10:06.50 | jetscreamer | no 802.11G support? |
| 10:07.05 | jethro | jetscreamer: what are you talking about? |
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| 10:07.22 | jetscreamer | nm ooops |
| 10:07.28 | jethro | :) |
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| 10:08.04 | yaccobb | directhex|work: I suppose you doun't have few minutes ? I need help with xvideo... |
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| 10:08.35 | tra1a1a | !tell yaccobb about smart questions |
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| 10:10.55 | usn | hi all |
| 10:10.58 | gass | i there ... can anyone help me with ldap? i have slapd installed, but i run start and it won't. ps aux | grep slapd shows nothing, and nmap shows no open door for ldap |
| 10:11.10 | jethro | gass: /j #ldap |
| 10:11.17 | gass | jethro: ok |
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| 10:12.03 | ants | hi |
| 10:12.11 | jetscreamer | why |
| 10:12.13 | lestest | hi if I check with stat the last access date I get the current date ... is there a way to check the previuos access date |
| 10:12.41 | ants | yes I think |
| 10:13.03 | lestest | how? |
| 10:13.39 | simonrvn | man stat ? |
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| 10:14.12 | tra1a1a | nah, it can't be that simple! |
| 10:15.09 | tra1a1a | dpkg, you morron |
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| 10:15.29 | jetscreamer | why do intel fpu have 'exceptions' wtf don't they make good ones |
| 10:15.31 | tra1a1a | dpkg, you moron |
| 10:15.37 | ljoris | hello people |
| 10:15.54 | ljoris | anyone who is familiar with autopackage ? |
| 10:15.58 | simonrvn | !moron tra1a1a |
| 10:15.59 | dpkg | tra1a1a: You are moron #95 |
| 10:16.08 | tra1a1a | !anyone know |
| 10:16.08 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 10:16.21 | tra1a1a | !irritate simonrvn |
| 10:16.22 | dpkg | simonrvn: hi every1 who uses dvd lol |
| 10:16.40 | jetscreamer | i finally bought me a dvd burner |
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| 10:19.34 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: unexpected reaction from you :-P I'd like talkt just to directhex(because it seem he might know answer i didn't yet found in any howto's or google) others don't but he is probably working. ? I don't ask question for everyone because you always tell dpkg to answer me :] |
| 10:19.52 | ljoris | grmbl |
| 10:21.28 | tra1a1a | yacoco: for a reason. and you will understand that reason once you bother to read the smart questions howto |
| 10:21.54 | tra1a1a | *yaccobb |
| 10:22.10 | jetscreamer | i can't read the screen, somebody heeelp! |
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| 10:22.38 | g-FM`zeroC | hi |
| 10:22.40 | g-FM`zeroC | ive installed Debian/kFreeBSD but how can i change the keyboardlayout? |
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| 10:23.03 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 10:23.04 | g-FM`zeroC | and what did i have to install the manpages?? cause otherwise i have a problem to read them... ;) |
| 10:23.10 | tra1a1a | say again, what did you install?! |
| 10:23.15 | jetscreamer | apt-get install manpages-dev |
| 10:23.18 | jetscreamer | maybe |
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| 10:23.22 | g-FM`zeroC | Debian/kFreeBSD |
| 10:23.39 | g-FM`zeroC | i cannot install console data |
| 10:23.42 | g-FM`zeroC | console-data |
| 10:23.49 | jetscreamer | don't install it, dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 10:24.10 | Space_NL | is there a thin client program for debian ? |
| 10:24.13 | g-FM`zeroC | it isnt intalled |
| 10:24.16 | tarzeau | tra1a1a: #gnu-kbsd |
| 10:24.24 | jetscreamer | that's just weird, and just not debian |
| 10:24.27 | tarzeau | g-FM`zeroC: it's GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 10:24.33 | tarzeau | since kFreeBSD is only a kernel |
| 10:24.46 | g-FM`zeroC | jepp debian w/ the freebsdkernel |
| 10:24.53 | tarzeau | Space_NL: like what? |
| 10:25.09 | tarzeau | g-FM`zeroC: runs pretty well too! it's just a pain to install |
| 10:25.10 | jetscreamer | !find console-data |
| 10:25.13 | dpkg | console-data: (Keymaps, fonts, charset maps, fallback tables for console-tools), section utils, is important. Version: 2002.12.04dbs-49 (sid), Packaged size: 1119 kB, Installed size: 3956 kB |
| 10:25.20 | tra1a1a | tarzeau: actually the homepage says debian gnu/kf.... |
| 10:25.23 | g-FM`zeroC | thats right... :D |
| 10:25.34 | tra1a1a | and it's hosted at debian.org |
| 10:25.35 | g-FM`zeroC | tarzeau can i qry u? |
| 10:25.39 | tarzeau | !u |
| 10:25.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:25.41 | tarzeau | !qry |
| 10:25.42 | tarzeau | g-FM`zeroC: no |
| 10:25.45 | g-FM`zeroC | k |
| 10:25.48 | tarzeau | g-FM`zeroC: talk here or in #gnu-kbsd |
| 10:25.54 | g-FM`zeroC | gnu-kbsd? |
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| 10:25.54 | technos | !find my car keys |
| 10:25.55 | g-FM`zeroC | ah |
| 10:26.03 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'my car keys' returned no results. |
| 10:26.11 | jetscreamer | call a locksmith |
| 10:26.16 | tarzeau | dpkg qry is It's query. |
| 10:26.16 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 10:26.35 | g-FM`zeroC | tarzeau its really a pain |
| 10:26.35 | g-FM`zeroC | :D |
| 10:26.43 | Space_NL | tarzeau: euhm, well, thin clients are like terminals, mostly running citrix (for windows) .. but would like to use them on a linux server .. |
| 10:26.52 | jetscreamer | dpkg, qry is also what the used to prepend msaccess querys with so they could tell wtf they were |
| 10:26.52 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 10:27.00 | technos | jetscreamer: Naw.. I figured something as obvious as that, the bots owner would have had a snappy comeback. |
| 10:27.04 | pudo | hi all. here's a trivial one for you, I guess: how do I cnvince sarges mysqld to accept remote connections? I commented out bind-address but that did nt do the trick? |
| 10:27.30 | tarzeau | Space_NL: well there's vnc, rdesktop, remote x... |
| 10:28.05 | Space_NL | tarzeau: but those dont support the citrix protocol .. |
| 10:28.11 | Space_NL | afaik |
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| 10:28.16 | tarzeau | Space_NL: of course not |
| 10:28.18 | expose | Hi. |
| 10:28.23 | tarzeau | Space_NL: the citrix protocol is bullshit |
| 10:28.38 | Space_NL | tarzeau: but it is the software flashed into thin clients .. |
| 10:29.10 | technos | Space_NL: Nope. Your brand and model, perhaps. I have a couple thin clients at home that use X, for example. |
| 10:29.33 | expose | How can i see every package that is currently installed? (I'm not a debian user usually, so i dont know the tools to use here...) |
| 10:29.41 | tra1a1a | !tell Space_NL about smart questions |
| 10:29.52 | directhex|work | expose, dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
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| 10:30.33 | Space_NL | euhm, compaq thin clients .. but what kind of software has technos flashed into his thin client, and what software is he running on the server ? |
| 10:30.37 | expose | directhex|work: thanks |
| 10:30.42 | Space_NL | tra1a1a: grr |
| 10:30.43 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: you can't make me happier by following it, but you'll most probably be able to solve the problem you have |
| 10:31.22 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: I am not so sure... but, i try just now... |
| 10:31.25 | tra1a1a | Space_NL: read it, really |
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| 10:33.31 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: if you don't understand it (the howto) read it again as it is suggesting |
| 10:35.12 | technos | Space_NL: Flashed? Nope. Plain old rebranded NCR terminals. Nothing special required. They're older than sin though. |
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| 10:36.14 | yaccobb | I am using fglrx driver with ATI Radeon 9250 (installed using http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html) and xvideo don't work. xvinfo says there are no adaptors present. It is the same with 'radeon' X driver. I found nothing in google. |
| 10:36.27 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: what's wrang on that question ? |
| 10:37.04 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: sorry, i must broke the rules of that FAQ and ask from where are you from ? Your name has special meaning in my language... |
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| 10:37.45 | Space_NL | hmmm .. thing is, we have a internet cafe for scoutinh, now running a w2k server with citrix, and compaq T1010 thin clients .. but load on the windows machine isnt funny, so would like to switch to linux. we have found all the software we need (for proxy, and for blocking games/pr0n for example), but not yet found how to get the compaq T1010 to run as terminal for X |
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| 10:38.38 | tarzeau | jethro: there? |
| 10:39.12 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: .bg |
| 10:39.28 | jetscreamer | compaq/hp are really nice supporting linux, have you tried, iirc, linux.hp.com? aka http://h10018.www1.hp.com/wwsolutions/linux/index.html |
| 10:39.32 | tra1a1a | and it's not my name - merely my nick |
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| 10:40.31 | jetscreamer | you know, like maybe... http://search.hp.com/query.html?hpvc=US+-+English&lang=eng&qp=%2Burl%3Awww.hp.com/wwsolutions/&qt=compaq+T1010&la=en&hps=Worldwide+Linux+Site&hpr=http%3A//h10018.www1.hp.com/wwsolutions/linux/&submit.x=0&ctry=us&submit.y=0&hpo=hphqglobal,hphqwwesg,hphqiss&hpn=Return+to+Linux+and+HP+home&hpl=1&hpc=1&hpa=http%3A//www.hp.com/wwsolutions/linux/contactweb.html |
| 10:40.49 | Putiikki | nice url ;) |
| 10:40.52 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: your question is much, much better now. No radeon is not the same with fglrx. The former is proveided by xfree while the later is by ati |
| 10:41.23 | Space_NL | jetscreamer: THNX! |
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| 10:42.37 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: howerver there isn't too much improvement in your attitude. I told you to try the radeon driver and you didn't. Instead you are comming again to ask different person about the same problem. |
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| 10:42.54 | yaccobb | .bg ? your english is good... I'd like have such english too. Anyway, I have problems with expression yet, so be tolerant please. ... i know it isn't the same, but xvideo don't work with ati's nor(right usage ?) radeon. |
| 10:42.58 | yaccobb | I DID |
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| 10:43.23 | tra1a1a | where do I read that you did? |
| 10:44.23 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: i am runing 'radeon' driven whole day... i writed it two times (that may be that problem with myexpressioning) but you leted dpkg answer me. |
| 10:44.32 | jetscreamer | i saw him say it |
| 10:44.38 | jetscreamer | if that helps |
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| 10:44.42 | yaccobb | :-P |
| 10:44.53 | tra1a1a | ok, my fault |
| 10:44.56 | yaccobb | jetscreamer: thanks;) |
| 10:45.20 | directhex|work | bleh. stupid solaris. |
| 10:45.24 | tra1a1a | now are you currently running radeon? |
| 10:45.41 | jetscreamer | oh yeah, NOW he returns... |
| 10:45.42 | yaccobb | yes, i am. |
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| 10:46.02 | tra1a1a | on display :0? |
| 10:46.17 | directhex|work | meh? |
| 10:46.31 | yaccobb | i don't know that for sure but i think yes. how can i tell ? |
| 10:46.49 | tra1a1a | in any x terminal type echo $DISPLAY |
| 10:47.31 | tra1a1a | and if you think of pasting be sure to check /msg dpkg paste first |
| 10:47.47 | jetscreamer | ~wave to DerSchotte |
| 10:47.48 | apt | Bye, to DerSchotte |
| 10:47.54 | Space_NL | Oke, so i flash thin clients with RDP, do i need special software on a debian server for thin clients to log in with RDP protocol ? (asuming the answer is yes, does anyone know what software?) or is TEC a better protocol for linux && thin clients. |
| 10:48.03 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: even for 4 characters ? |
| 10:48.06 | yaccobb | heh |
| 10:48.18 | tra1a1a | for more than a line |
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| 10:48.59 | tra1a1a | what is your display number anyway? |
| 10:49.05 | yaccobb | 0.0 |
| 10:49.29 | directhex|work | xfree86 is great fun |
| 10:49.43 | tra1a1a | ok, now as root: grep -i xvideo /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 10:49.50 | jetscreamer | ah. wtf do i use for a psu in a car? |
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| 10:50.37 | DerSchotte | jetscreamer: Diesel or petrol ;) |
| 10:50.50 | yaccobb | seems succesfull |
| 10:50.57 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: /j flood; paste whatever you have there |
| 10:51.23 | tra1a1a | does it show any output? |
| 10:51.46 | yaccobb | two lines *yac is paste it to flood* |
| 10:52.20 | yaccobb | *pasting |
| 10:52.22 | tra1a1a | this means that your xvideo is loaded and active |
| 10:52.47 | DerSchotte | !bts |
| 10:52.48 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 10:53.26 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: look on flood what xvinfo says |
| 10:53.27 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: are you running X as root? |
| 10:53.47 | tra1a1a | I'm looking at flood, you don't need to point me there |
| 10:54.00 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: how do you mean that ? on gdm i log in as user... that'S all i know;) |
| 10:54.42 | tra1a1a | where are you typing this xvinfo line? |
| 10:54.55 | yaccobb | in su console |
| 10:54.59 | yaccobb | hups |
| 10:55.13 | tra1a1a | type it in a non su console |
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| 10:55.26 | yaccobb | :( the same output |
| 10:55.37 | tra1a1a | anyway the X log shows that you *have* xvideo working |
| 10:55.49 | tra1a1a | in x console? |
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| 10:56.02 | yaccobb | btw mplayer says something about... x console ? |
| 10:56.15 | yaccobb | i am runing gnome-terminal |
| 10:56.24 | schrankwand | Hi, I look for a tool to see all procs with there cpu load? |
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| 10:56.29 | tra1a1a | and you type xvinfo there? |
| 10:56.35 | jetscreamer | top ? |
| 10:57.04 | yaccobb | schrankwand: gnome-system-log ? |
| 10:57.20 | schrankwand | jethro: that is what i'm looking for, thanks |
| 10:57.25 | jetscreamer | ahh here it is |
| 10:57.30 | jetscreamer | tabbuddy! |
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| 10:57.31 | jetscreamer | http://freshmeat.net/projects/computeraudiocdcarplayerhowto/ |
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| 10:57.59 | tra1a1a | yaccobb ? |
| 10:58.21 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: yas. in gnome-terminal i type xvinfo and that's output. And in XF86Config-4 it is enabled. |
| 10:58.44 | tra1a1a | show me your mplayer -vo help output |
| 10:59.14 | yaccobb | bu, wait, i aste what mplayer says when run with -vo xv .... |
| 10:59.33 | tra1a1a | go on |
| 11:00.55 | yaccobb | that's strange if you have the same radeon and you're running normal... |
| 11:01.32 | tra1a1a | I do. I have 92-something and it's running just fine out of the box |
| 11:02.04 | yaccobb | i have 9250. |
| 11:02.58 | yaccobb | and 1294.600 FPS with glx at least that mean driver is ok, no ? |
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| 11:03.12 | yaccobb | *glxgears |
| 11:03.17 | directhex|work | 9250 is the latest r200 rehash |
| 11:03.23 | directhex|work | and yes, more than 100 means 3d accelerated |
| 11:03.44 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: it has nothing to do with xvideo though |
| 11:03.52 | yaccobb | ok |
| 11:04.10 | yaccobb | any more ideas, or I definitively can't watch dvd ? |
| 11:04.30 | jm_ | you don't need xv to watch DVD-s |
| 11:04.44 | yaccobb | no ?! even normal avi suck fullscreen... |
| 11:04.48 | tra1a1a | show me the Module section of your XF86Config |
| 11:04.57 | yaccobb | ok, wait a sec |
| 11:05.39 | Space_NL | technos: what linux(debian) program would support RDP? |
| 11:06.28 | sep | Space_NL: rdesktop |
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| 11:06.39 | yaccobb | there is everything set expect one thing(I do it so in spkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) |
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| 11:08.03 | yaccobb | what the... |
| 11:08.31 | directhex|work | might i make a suggestion? |
| 11:08.34 | Space_NL | sep: wrong way around, i want the winCE clients to connect to a linux server. |
| 11:08.41 | yaccobb | it changed to flgrx and somehow edited itself... what the... directhex|work sure |
| 11:08.44 | directhex|work | try -vo gl instead of -vo xv |
| 11:09.37 | yaccobb | that's strange. that config changes itself ?i saved changes, rebooted and it's now different... |
| 11:09.40 | tra1a1a | that's wierd |
| 11:10.14 | tra1a1a | I mean X is reporting xvideo as successfully loaded and xvinfo is missing it... |
| 11:10.42 | yaccobb | i am not runiing on radeon now. grrr, i am confused... i try to edit it again. |
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| 11:10.52 | tra1a1a | wait a sec |
| 11:10.57 | directhex|work | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will NOT sace changes if the file has been edited manually |
| 11:11.01 | supernena | hola alguien ke hable espaol |
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| 11:11.04 | tra1a1a | check this ls /var/log/XFree*log |
| 11:11.08 | zubuntu_thereal | hi :) |
| 11:11.14 | K_Dallas | !es |
| 11:11.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:11.16 | yaccobb | oh... |
| 11:11.34 | supernena | hello a todos |
| 11:11.35 | zubuntu_thereal | is debian including kde apache php mysql? |
| 11:11.46 | zubuntu_thereal | no parlare spanish |
| 11:12.01 | yaccobb | directhex|work: yeah, it work on with gl |
| 11:12.06 | jm_ | zubuntu_thereal: what do you think? |
| 11:12.07 | tra1a1a | zubuntu_thereal: debian includes apt-cache |
| 11:12.19 | zubuntu_thereal | don't know, actually |
| 11:12.21 | yaccobb | it's xvideo worth playing with xserver again ? |
| 11:12.28 | supernena | salut efaistOs |
| 11:12.30 | zubuntu_thereal | never used it |
| 11:12.40 | jm_ | zubuntu_thereal: packages.debian.org |
| 11:12.45 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: if you have a tv tuner and you want to watch tv, it is |
| 11:12.58 | zubuntu | i mean in the iso image |
| 11:13.09 | tra1a1a | it also is if you want to use other programs than mplayer that don't support gl |
| 11:13.10 | directhex|work | zubuntu, debian is 14 iso images. |
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| 11:13.20 | zubuntu | yay!! |
| 11:13.26 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: nope, i just wanna watch movies without sucks like in mplayer x11 mode... |
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| 11:13.45 | zubuntu | i'm on a 56kb/s (therically) 5kb/s (actually) connexion |
| 11:13.48 | tra1a1a | is gl ok? |
| 11:14.09 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: but it's better to teach how to make it work. I'll try reconf. XF86Config again.. you said something abut some tool for that ? |
| 11:14.21 | Nigel | you mean 56kbs, 5kBs |
| 11:14.29 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: yes, it works |
| 11:14.31 | Nigel | there is a difference... |
| 11:14.37 | zubuntu | 5kb/s |
| 11:14.54 | zubuntu | i'm on a dial up modem (ever heard about)? :) |
| 11:15.07 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: I would say leave it then. It's not worth for you. |
| 11:15.15 | Nigel | 56kbs (kilo-bits-per-second) ~= 5kBs (kilo-Bytes-per-second) |
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| 11:15.26 | zubuntu | arrgh! |
| 11:15.27 | Nigel | zubuntu: yes i'm on one atm... |
| 11:15.29 | zubuntu | sorry |
| 11:15.33 | directhex|work | zubuntu, the 56k is in kilobits. divide by 8 for kilobytes |
| 11:15.38 | yaccobb | zubuntu: oh my god... May the bits are with you... |
| 11:15.43 | zubuntu | a dial up modem with a phone line |
| 11:16.09 | Nigel | i'd LOVE to see you IRC on a 5kbps connection ;) |
| 11:16.17 | supernena | zubuntu |
| 11:16.27 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: but in ati faq there is said there are feq changes neccesary and they aren't done... i think.. does that matter ? |
| 11:16.28 | jm_ | I've irced on 2400bps |
| 11:16.30 | zubuntu | cry for me knights |
| 11:17.14 | tra1a1a | yaccobb : I don't really know. I haven't tried frlgjrarj (whatever) yet. |
| 11:17.22 | Nigel | actually yeah, 5kbps would be enough... |
| 11:17.52 | zubuntu | 5kb/s enough? you're kidding, don't ya? |
| 11:18.03 | directhex|work | yaccobb, run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" |
| 11:18.07 | DerSchotte | Can ImageMagik create "covert" .ico files for my web server ? |
| 11:18.09 | Nigel | zubuntu: just so you know, b=bits B=bytes |
| 11:18.15 | directhex|work | yaccobb, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will definitely behave |
| 11:18.23 | DerSchotte | s/covert/convert/ |
| 11:18.30 | LordFrith | Nigel: Do you think a single channel on IRC uses more than 800 bytes/sec of communication? |
| 11:18.38 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: do you think their effectivity(fps etc) is different ? i mean radeon/fglrx ? |
| 11:18.45 | zubuntu | yes i've been an AI teacher at university |
| 11:18.48 | Nigel | zubuntu: 5-kilobits-per-second would be enough for IRC |
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| 11:19.06 | zubuntu | not for IRC! for debian download!!!! |
| 11:19.08 | yaccobb | directhex|work: mm, it can'T be done trought dpkg-reconfigure i think... |
| 11:19.11 | LordFrith | Ah, it was zubuntu that was the doubter. :) |
| 11:19.15 | LordFrith | My bad. |
| 11:19.32 | Nigel | LordFrith: no worries |
| 11:19.42 | sep | Space_NL: use vnc server on linux and a vncviewver on windows, or just use X + the low bandwith proxy and cygwin+x on windows (or another x eg x-win32 ) |
| 11:19.43 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: For 9200 series I think it's better to use radeon unless you really need to play 3d games / do other 3d work. |
| 11:19.55 | zubuntu | anyway, nobody will understand my pain |
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| 11:20.11 | Debianes | hi |
| 11:20.13 | yaccobb | I do, zubuntu, i do.... |
| 11:20.23 | zubuntu | yaccobb, thanks bro |
| 11:20.29 | Debianes | need help with a doubt |
| 11:20.32 | Nigel | zubuntu: do a netinstall, or jiggo or what ever it is |
| 11:20.36 | directhex|work | yaccobb, fglrx is usually 2-3x faster than ati - but is also pretty unstable and unreliable |
| 11:20.37 | jethro | hah |
| 11:20.39 | directhex|work | !d-i zubuntu |
| 11:20.40 | jethro | netinstall on dialup |
| 11:20.40 | dpkg | zubuntu, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:20.45 | liable | zubuntu: dont worry, there are other dial up users out there |
| 11:20.50 | yaccobb | directhex|work: SO much faster ? |
| 11:20.54 | Nigel | jethro: i did it... |
| 11:20.56 | zubuntu | Nigel, Internet costs a lot here |
| 11:21.09 | Debianes | anybody got error messages with apt-get? |
| 11:21.12 | liable | zubuntu: get cd 1, then upgrade from it |
| 11:21.13 | directhex|work | yaccobb, and nvidia is 2-3x faster than fglrx, but you don't have the hardware for that |
| 11:21.16 | sep | zubuntu: i use sneaker net, have a usb2.0 harddrive i cary from home to work. |
| 11:21.25 | yaccobb | directhex|work: I am used to Windows, unstability is nothing new for me.... |
| 11:21.27 | jethro | Nigel: if you have unlimited calls it's ok, otherwise it gets expensive |
| 11:21.35 | Nigel | i downloaded the 100mb iso, from like BETA3, and just built up on that... |
| 11:22.06 | Nigel | jethro: well yeah, i guess... |
| 11:22.09 | yaccobb | directhex|work: you mean that with one hardware you can have different effectivity ? *yac note that* |
| 11:22.24 | zubuntu | does xine on debian let me play sex videos? mom don't :p |
| 11:22.24 | jethro | zubuntu: you'dd better download all isos you might need frmo a faster connection, or order a cd set |
| 11:22.35 | liable | hah |
| 11:22.37 | directhex|work | yaccobb, drivers are very important, especially with 3d drivers |
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| 11:23.08 | zubuntu | jethro, where to find a faster connexion? i'm in africa!! and buy means a credit card with money inside |
| 11:23.32 | yaccobb | directhex|work: and what about Win drivers for ATI ? |
| 11:23.34 | jethro | zubuntu: you might as well want to order ubuntu cds, they ship for free |
| 11:23.45 | jethro | zubuntu: and the cds are free as well |
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| 11:23.56 | liable | zubuntu: no net cafes there, go there and get a cd1 sarge and go from there |
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| 11:23.59 | directhex|work | yaccobb, ati's windows drivers are okay. installation bugs sometimes, but performance is good |
| 11:24.00 | zubuntu | yes but ubuntu don't include apache+mysql+php |
| 11:24.03 | jethro | zubuntu: where in africa are you exactly ? |
| 11:24.07 | zubuntu | and i must download 'em too :'( |
| 11:24.11 | simonrvn | shipit.ubuntu.com |
| 11:24.19 | liable | bleh |
| 11:24.19 | zubuntu | jethro: algeria |
| 11:24.19 | jethro | zubuntu: I m trying to give you alternatives, I don't know what your needs are |
| 11:24.21 | yaccobb | directhex|work: are linux drivers on the sane level of efectivity ? |
| 11:24.26 | yaccobb | *same |
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| 11:24.38 | zubuntu | jethro, thanks :) |
| 11:24.41 | directhex|work | yaccobb, no, ati'[s linux drivers are awful, as i already said |
| 11:24.44 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: the best thing to do is try them both, use them for a while and see what you will like better |
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| 11:25.08 | directhex|work | yaccobb, they're unstable, unreliable, highly buggy, and 2-3x slower than their windows equivalents - not to mention missing basic features like ansiotropic filtering |
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| 11:25.13 | jethro | zubuntu: in which city ? |
| 11:25.21 | liable | zubuntu: so, you cannot get any kind of fast connection anywhere? |
| 11:25.21 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: yes, i do that. |
| 11:25.23 | zubuntu | bejaia, ever heard about? |
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| 11:25.28 | sep | been away from work a week, and there is 4000 unread mails in my debian-user list aghhh :) |
| 11:25.36 | yaccobb | directhex|work: wow, taht's useful information, thanks |
| 11:25.38 | zubuntu | liabvle, not where i live |
| 11:25.44 | jethro | zubuntu: no, I only know big cities |
| 11:25.56 | zubuntu | bejaia, is a big one too :) |
| 11:26.08 | zubuntu | and the most beautiful btw :) |
| 11:26.09 | directhex|work | yaccobb, if you want to play 3d games under linux, you need nvidia. that's just the way it is. if you don't care about games, then anything'll do |
| 11:26.11 | jethro | zubuntu: not a known one then, or known with a different name :) |
| 11:26.17 | xydarcher | hello,my bios time is recognized as GMT how to set it back to locale? |
| 11:26.23 | zubuntu | Bougie then |
| 11:26.27 | zubuntu | or vgayet |
| 11:26.29 | jm_ | xydarcher: /msg dpkg set time |
| 11:26.32 | jethro | zubuntu: try contacting a local Lunix Users Group, if such a thing exists in your country |
| 11:26.46 | zubuntu | neither :( |
| 11:26.47 | jethro | zubuntu: they should be able to help you and provide cds |
| 11:26.52 | jethro | damn you're doomed then |
| 11:26.53 | liable | linux even :) |
| 11:26.58 | yaccobb | directhex|work: hmm, any tip for low-end NVidia card ? |
| 11:27.01 | zubuntu | yes! i am |
| 11:27.05 | jethro | anyways I gotta leave, meeting starting in a minute |
| 11:27.09 | jethro | liable: indeed, sorry for the typo |
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| 11:27.10 | zubuntu | linux even :) |
| 11:27.14 | directhex|work | yaccobb, whatever your budget will get you. |
| 11:27.16 | liable | hehe |
| 11:27.28 | zubuntu | thanks folks :) |
| 11:28.23 | zubuntu | is there any organization that can provide me with free cds? |
| 11:28.29 | liable | zubuntu: you could order debian cd's too |
| 11:28.39 | tra1a1a | I have the impression that ati have significantly improved their linux dirvers lately. Nvidia on the other side is not much better. |
| 11:28.40 | yaccobb | liable: price ? |
| 11:28.51 | liable | dunno, one sec |
| 11:29.04 | zubuntu | order means a credit card with $$ inside. I'm in a country where ain't no credit cards! |
| 11:29.14 | zubuntu | unbelievalble, isn't it? |
| 11:29.15 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: you are in opposition with directhex|work now. |
| 11:29.15 | liable | or you could do what I am, and google it :) |
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| 11:30.27 | valdyn | zubuntu: credit cards are not bound to countries |
| 11:30.27 | directhex|work | tra1a1a, they still have major memory leaks, and are still roughly half the speed of nvidia - not to mention the lack of features like ansiotropic filtering |
| 11:30.27 | zubuntu | how to buy online then? with checks? no way too |
| 11:30.27 | ethics | anyone know if theres any tools around to recover lost partitions...they are ntfs and fat partitions...dont want to build a nt box just to fix these |
| 11:30.27 | liable | zubuntu: you have dial up though? |
| 11:30.27 | jm_ | ethics: tried gpart? |
| 11:30.35 | tra1a1a | The thing is that with nvidia/ati binary drivers your going to eat the shit anyway and neither of them is putting too much effort into the linux drivers |
| 11:30.35 | ethics | i will in a sec hehe downloading |
| 11:30.44 | zubuntu | dial up that costs me la peau des fesses like french people say |
| 11:31.09 | tra1a1a | directhex|work: could you, please, point me to the source? |
| 11:31.19 | xydarcher | jm_: that is not what i wanted, i want my bois time would be the same with locale time, in order to make time correct under windows in the same machine |
| 11:31.28 | liable | zubuntu: does that mean 'a shitload'? |
| 11:31.45 | petemc | a fuckton |
| 11:31.49 | yaccobb | tra1a1a, directhex|work : you guys are debian developers ? |
| 11:31.55 | directhex|work | tra1a1a, personal experience, and every single user on linux-gamers.net ? |
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| 11:32.08 | directhex|work | i'm not, no |
| 11:32.17 | directhex|work | i'm a solaris & linux sysadmin, and part time tech journo |
| 11:32.31 | tra1a1a | directhex|work: ah, the personal experience. Ok. |
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| 11:32.56 | zubuntu_thereal | that was my dial up connexion:( i'm back :) |
| 11:32.59 | yaccobb | directhex|work: and you play games on linux ? I don't know if to install wine yet... |
| 11:33.16 | directhex|work | yaccobb, google for "linux gaming". the bottom linux, to hexus.net, is an article i wrote on the topic |
| 11:33.19 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: there are more and more native games popping up |
| 11:33.43 | directhex|work | *bottom link |
| 11:33.54 | jm_ | xydarcher: yes it is, it says how to change it as the last thing |
| 11:34.07 | J_P | people, one question... 2005-23-05 was release subversion 1.2.0. Bus in sarge is 1.1.4-2. Exist possibility team add 1.2 to sarge or now(in frozen mode) is impossible any new version package are add in ? |
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| 11:34.44 | yaccobb | directhex|work, tra1a1a : so It's not so bad with linux game no more ? ok, i read it directhex. |
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| 11:34.55 | tra1a1a | I cannot judge the possibilities, but frozen means it shouldn't go in. |
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| 11:35.11 | zubuntu_thereal | have a nice day folks and thanks |
| 11:35.11 | liable | zubuntu_thereal: you get charged by time? |
| 11:35.20 | directhex|work | lunchtime \o/ |
| 11:35.38 | liable | yah, beer and pies |
| 11:35.42 | zubuntu_thereal | liable, connexion costs a lot here |
| 11:35.46 | sep | J_P http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00001.html this link explains what may or may not go into sarge after the freeze |
| 11:35.49 | liable | bugger |
| 11:35.59 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: I'm not much of a gamer, and my personal favourite NFS doesn't run on linux, so I don't know much. However linux isn't anywhere close to windows as a gaming platform. |
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| 11:38.03 | ethics | xbox foreva hehe |
| 11:38.09 | Gothfunc | what's the most reliable console based, menu driven mp3 player? |
| 11:38.13 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 11:38.22 | jm_ | Gothfunc: try mp3blaster |
| 11:38.23 | ethics | xbox = games and myth 8) |
| 11:38.29 | tra1a1a | that should be added to !irritate |
| 11:38.32 | jm_ | Gothfunc: or cplay |
| 11:38.47 | Gothfunc | i'm using that at the mo jm_, mp3blaster. the interface is great, but i'm starting to get seg faults |
| 11:38.48 | technos | Second vote for mp3blaster. |
| 11:39.11 | liable | Gothfunc: maybe hardware? |
| 11:39.14 | ethics | mplayer seems to work fine for me |
| 11:39.17 | jm_ | Gothfunc: I have experienced that too back then |
| 11:39.41 | Gothfunc | back when? |
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| 11:39.56 | jm_ | back when I was using mp3blaster - probably 2 or 3 years ago |
| 11:39.57 | Gothfunc | liable: maybe. if so, ugh :/ |
| 11:40.04 | liable | yes |
| 11:40.07 | Gothfunc | jm_: ah, not so reliable then :P |
| 11:40.34 | jm_ | Gothfunc: then the author released a new version and it was OK, but then I stopped using it |
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| 11:41.05 | Gothfunc | maybe a system specific bug |
| 11:41.09 | xydarcher | jm_: I changed the UTC setting to 'no', but there is no effect on them |
| 11:41.28 | jm_ | xydarcher: it will be at next boot |
| 11:41.45 | jm_ | xydarcher: and adjust it in BIOS prior to booting into Linux |
| 11:41.58 | technos | I ran it a million years ago on a purpose-built PC. Clocked the processor up a notch from 120 to 133, it segged. I just stuck the damn thing in inittab and said done. |
| 11:42.10 | FabParma | how to install a "deb package"? |
| 11:42.27 | liable | FabParma: man dpkg |
| 11:42.40 | FabParma | liable: thank you |
| 11:42.46 | liable | FabParma: dpkg -i foo |
| 11:42.46 | ethics | FabParma, apt-get normally but dpkg -i pkgname is the other option |
| 11:43.24 | FabParma | ethics: thank you |
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| 11:43.46 | Gothfunc | cplay looks ok |
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| 11:44.27 | Gothfunc | shame it doesn't appear to have as much control as mp3blaster, but if it stays running then i shant complain :P |
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| 11:46.00 | yaccobb | what is xine best Pou driver ? |
| 11:46.50 | liable | wtf is Pou |
| 11:47.01 | Gothfunc | lol, installed splay to go with cplay, and it's frozen my entire system |
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| 11:47.32 | Gothfunc | i alt-f2 and i can't even login |
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| 11:47.56 | jm_ | heh |
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| 11:48.18 | yaccobb | liable: Do I know?! but simply in viedo tab there is list of drivers and it's titeled Pou;) |
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| 11:48.34 | Hobart | Since Sarge is frozen, is it too late to suggest changes to text in the installer? |
| 11:49.07 | yaccobb | liable: never mind. |
| 11:49.34 | liable | ok, I wont, thanks |
| 11:49.59 | J_P | sep: ok, thanks! |
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| 11:50.55 | liable | !be a Puo barbie |
| 11:50.56 | dpkg | Aww, Puo is hard! Let's go shopping, liable |
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| 11:52.14 | xydarcher | jm_: that is really works fine, thank you |
| 11:52.20 | jm_ | xydarcher: no worries |
| 11:52.32 | tra1a1a | !be a debian barbie |
| 11:52.32 | dpkg | Aww, debian is hard! Let's go shopping, tra1a1a |
| 11:52.37 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 11:52.40 | tra1a1a | nice command |
| 11:53.35 | streuner | http://www.ircd.de/i/ircop.jpg |
| 11:53.52 | xydarcher | jm_: btw how would i know what info and the key word of dpkg has? |
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| 11:54.15 | jm_ | xydarcher: /msg dpkg listvalues UTC |
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| 11:54.41 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 11:55.16 | Gothfunc | "Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000" |
| 11:55.20 | liable | howdy do :) |
| 11:55.26 | amorphix | :) |
| 11:55.41 | Gothfunc | "<0>Kernel panic: Aiee, killing interrupt handler!" |
| 11:55.41 | jm_ | that's a bug in kernel |
| 11:55.51 | J_P | sep: other important package very well and with news features and not are in sarge is postgresql 8!! :-( |
| 11:55.52 | snail_ | Gothfunc: nasty! |
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| 11:55.58 | streuner | Gothfunc: looks nasty :-) |
| 11:56.03 | Gothfunc | :P |
| 11:56.12 | streuner | Gothfunc: be more vague |
| 11:56.17 | snail_ | Gothfunc: give us the results of a "uname -a" |
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| 11:56.24 | streuner | Gothfunc: custom kernel? |
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| 11:56.35 | Gothfunc | hold on, booting |
| 11:56.40 | Gothfunc | no not custom |
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| 11:57.13 | oguz | hi, how can i mount my double layer dvd writer? |
| 11:57.21 | zOap__ | is prism54 included in debian netinst sarge? |
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| 11:57.44 | Gothfunc | running sarge on vmware, might be something to do with it i guess. i hope not. kernel 2.4.27-1-386 |
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| 11:57.51 | streuner | zOap__: what does ip (/msg dpkg ig) say? |
| 11:57.51 | bdlug | hello |
| 11:57.56 | bdlug | how to restart samba |
| 11:58.02 | streuner | zOap__: s/ip/ig/ |
| 11:58.07 | SlayerCE | bdlug: take a wild guess. |
| 11:58.17 | streuner | bdlug: /etc/init.d/samba restart ? |
| 11:58.20 | bdlug | thanx |
| 11:58.24 | Gothfunc | guess i should try upgrading to -2- |
| 11:58.26 | SlayerCE | .... |
| 11:59.07 | sep | J_P: it shoudn't be to hard to backport that from etch yourself you know. you must ofcouse keep on top of security yourself also then, but if you need pgsql 8 then i think you can live with that |
| 11:59.54 | sep | Gothfunc: i have sarge on vmware here. have not seen that error. |
| 12:00.02 | Gothfunc | kernel? |
| 12:00.25 | directhex|work | zOap__, there's a prism54.ko if that counts |
| 12:00.54 | sep | Gothfunc 2.6.8-2-686 from the kernel-image |
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| 12:01.16 | Gothfunc | fair enough. well i'm just installing 2.4.27-2 |
| 12:01.26 | Gothfunc | see if that makes any difference |
| 12:01.48 | bigmouse | hi |
| 12:01.51 | bdlug | hi |
| 12:01.54 | Gothfunc | hi |
| 12:02.07 | xydarcher | jm_:if i want to kick a user out of my system how to get the info? i used /msg dpkg kick |
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| 12:02.21 | jm_ | xydarcher: kill his/her processes |
| 12:02.22 | resiak | xydarcher: apt-cache show slay |
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| 12:02.36 | bdlug | is is not possible for linux delevepers make a grapsics bundle software line the alsa !!! |
| 12:02.41 | bigmouse | uh |
| 12:02.46 | bdlug | graphics |
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| 12:03.07 | resiak | bdlug: What's wrong with SDL? |
| 12:03.21 | bigmouse | bdlug: b2d? |
| 12:03.24 | liable | bdlug: what do you mean, alsaconf and alsa mixer have pretty colours :) |
| 12:03.34 | Gothfunc | nah, newer kernel, same error |
| 12:03.35 | J_P | sep: but one native pgsql 8 in sarge is better tahn one backport :-) |
| 12:03.44 | jm_ | there's gnome-alsamixer anyway |
| 12:03.44 | bigmouse | bdlug: clone + clone + clone ..... |
| 12:03.55 | Gothfunc | when i play a track on cplay, it plays for a minute, then makes nasty sounds and everything dies |
| 12:03.57 | bdlug | SDL mean ? bd mean banglade linux users group 66 my id is salahuddin66 |
| 12:03.58 | bdlug | :) |
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| 12:04.05 | bdlug | bangladesh |
| 12:04.06 | liable | wtf is wrong with alsamixer |
| 12:04.25 | Gothfunc | this is most displeasing |
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| 12:04.44 | bdlug | i wanna know like sound we do not get graphics driver like nvidia ati built in like in XP |
| 12:05.08 | tra1a1a | !fuck bdlug |
| 12:05.15 | sep | J_P: if you should postpone the release of sarge to get just that one package you wanted into it, then sarge would never be released. if you need the new features so desperatly, you should be able to handle that small hurdle yourself |
| 12:05.23 | liable | nasty |
| 12:05.30 | bdlug | exapain whY............ |
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| 12:05.41 | liable | bdlug: no, google it |
| 12:05.42 | tra1a1a | !fuck bdlug again |
| 12:05.46 | SlayerCE | !confuse bdlug |
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| 12:05.48 | dpkg | No, who was your pineapple today, bdlug? lederhosen of the dictatorship of tibet with extra anchovies |
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| 12:06.21 | liable | !irritate bdlug |
| 12:06.23 | dpkg | bdlug: hi every1 where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
| 12:06.26 | J_P | sep: but pgsql 8 was released months ago!! |
| 12:06.27 | bdlug | i say if we got a project for video like sound we got in alsa |
| 12:06.27 | bdlug | ok |
| 12:06.28 | bdlug | bye |
| 12:06.47 | jm_ | bdlug: there have been some, but they have all failed |
| 12:06.49 | tra1a1a | cya (hopefully not) |
| 12:06.54 | bdlug | ya thanx |
| 12:07.01 | bdlug | this is the ans that i do not know |
| 12:07.07 | littlemonk | dpkg: just BT it |
| 12:07.24 | bdlug | tra1a1a is really a bad guy |
| 12:07.26 | bdlug | shame |
| 12:07.30 | littlemonk | dpkg: get all of them ... |
| 12:07.30 | liable | bdlug: its not an easy question to answer |
| 12:07.46 | liable | bdlug: and not apprpriate here |
| 12:07.48 | Pappa | i need a stopwatch program |
| 12:08.08 | Gothfunc | i need a kernel that sounds bomb |
| 12:08.14 | Gothfunc | sounds = doesn't |
| 12:08.18 | Gothfunc | i have sounds on the brain |
| 12:08.24 | liable | I need a blowjob |
| 12:08.29 | Gothfunc | $15 |
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| 12:08.32 | directhex|work | bdlug, they already ARE provided like that, as long as the drivers are open-source. buy a new dell centrino laptop, install ubuntu, and get 3d support out of the box, as it's included in xorg. same goes for a radeon 9000. the problem is with cards with only closed-source drivers |
| 12:08.37 | tra1a1a | bdlug: nah, I'm not that bad - I've just got tired of the bullshit and I'm relaxing a bit now |
| 12:08.37 | liable | too cheap |
| 12:08.43 | Gothfunc | sucky sucky |
| 12:08.46 | Gothfunc | love you longtime |
| 12:08.53 | liable | bleh |
| 12:09.16 | liable | I wasnt soliciting, just saying :) |
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| 12:09.30 | liable | as were you |
| 12:09.30 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: have I ever said you are a bad guy after all that dpkg torment ? ;] |
| 12:09.36 | Gothfunc | rather than work through this problem, i think i'll work around it and install a different media player |
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| 12:10.04 | ElvenForest | man with hole in pocket feel cocky all day. |
| 12:10.06 | irreverentrevere | !test |
| 12:10.06 | dpkg | No, irreverentrevere, you're not online any more. |
| 12:10.17 | ElvenForest | wow |
| 12:10.18 | ElvenForest | lol |
| 12:10.21 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: on the other hand have I ever asked dpkg to fuck you?! ;) |
| 12:10.24 | ElvenForest | If I want your opinion, I'll ask you to fill out the necessary forms. |
| 12:10.34 | ElvenForest | sorry |
| 12:10.48 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: One hand better than another :D |
| 12:10.59 | liable | !fuck ElvenForest |
| 12:11.13 | Gothfunc | !fuck itself |
| 12:11.22 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: lol |
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| 12:11.32 | tra1a1a | aaahh, that's a mistake |
| 12:11.38 | yaccobb | who made that bot ? |
| 12:11.41 | liable | !botabuse |
| 12:11.41 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 12:11.47 | tra1a1a | the !fuck itself command should fuck back instead |
| 12:11.49 | directhex|work | !stupid bot tricks |
| 12:11.49 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. /join #debian-bots and play there |
| 12:11.54 | zulkifar | Hi. How to convert an image to grayscale? When I use -monochrome - the image becomes just exactly black and white. Sorry for offtopic. |
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| 12:12.12 | zulkifar | <-- 'convert' from imagemagick |
| 12:12.24 | liable | directhex|work: spoil sport ;0 |
| 12:13.04 | Gothfunc | woo it's not crashing anymore |
| 12:13.12 | yaccobb | has mPlayers some graphical gui ? |
| 12:13.35 | shingouz | yaccobb: gmplayer |
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| 12:13.42 | directhex|work | yaccobb, gmplayer |
| 12:13.48 | directhex|work | or there's a kplayer i think |
| 12:13.49 | Gothfunc | fuck! |
| 12:13.52 | Gothfunc | it crashed :( |
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| 12:14.00 | yaccobb | shingouz, directhex|work: thanks |
| 12:14.14 | directhex|work | !crash Gothfunc |
| 12:14.17 | directhex|work | :( |
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| 12:14.25 | Gothfunc | "Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000" again. this time the kernel didn't die though, just seg fault |
| 12:14.29 | liable | hehe |
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| 12:14.33 | yaccobb | !crush Gothfunc |
| 12:14.38 | yaccobb | hehe |
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| 12:15.13 | giupy | hi all |
| 12:15.19 | theD3viL | hi |
| 12:15.51 | liable | Gothfunc: have you run memtest? |
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| 12:16.54 | Gothfunc | no. uh... looks like it did kill the kernel after all |
| 12:16.59 | Gothfunc | i'll run memtest now |
| 12:17.11 | liable | see ya in 8 hrs :) |
| 12:17.31 | yaccobb | see ya |
| 12:17.34 | jm_ | NULL pointer dereference is unlikely to occur if you have hardware issues, but it's nevertheless a possibility |
| 12:17.34 | doublehp | in which file does ispell store the user dictionary ? |
| 12:17.49 | ac3 | how can i prevent the loading of the ipv6 module in debian sarge? |
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| 12:18.04 | shingouz | ac3: blacklist it |
| 12:18.10 | liable | ac3: why |
| 12:18.12 | snail_ | doublehp: ~/.ispell_<LANG> |
| 12:18.24 | Gothfunc | memtest not installed. why 8 hrs? |
| 12:18.50 | ac3 | it is giving dns problems |
| 12:18.51 | liable | Gothfunc: apt-get install memtest86+, reboot run |
| 12:18.52 | shingouz | Gothfunc: install it. the longre you run it the better the chance it actually catches the error |
| 12:18.55 | ac3 | dns is slow as hell |
| 12:18.56 | giupy | wich is the difference between joliet 1,2 and 3 ? |
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| 12:19.11 | ac3 | shingouz: how do i do that? |
| 12:19.13 | tra1a1a | !tell giupy about smart questions |
| 12:19.25 | shingouz | !tell ac3 about blacklist |
| 12:19.30 | giupy | ok |
| 12:19.33 | doublehp | snail_: I used to fill about 200 words it my en dictionary, and it look empty today, what could have happe n? |
| 12:19.36 | liable | Gothfunc: and go to bed |
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| 12:20.18 | Gothfunc | if i didn't have that much time to get this running reliably, would there be an alternative? |
| 12:20.20 | carlos__ | #debian-es |
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| 12:20.38 | bdlug | apt-get upgrade problem is always conflict in my gstreamer and when i wanna lister song it says run gst-get register but i can't found the gst-get register |
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| 12:21.02 | snail_ | doublehp: ispell sees a difference between default and en, even if en is the default... |
| 12:21.31 | theD3viL | what is wrong? - mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, |
| 12:21.32 | theD3viL | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.32 | theD3viL | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.32 | theD3viL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:21.50 | doublehp | snail_: I said that I ADDED 200 words ... which are NOT in the public dic |
| 12:22.11 | shingouz | doublehp: you do not have to yell here |
| 12:22.43 | sep | theD3viL: you cant mount /dev/hdc you need to mount one of your partitions on /dev/hdc eg /dev/hdc1 |
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| 12:22.43 | snail_ | doublehp: ispell keeps added words for each different language. |
| 12:22.47 | snail_ | do you have more than one file in ~/.ispell* ? |
| 12:22.50 | theD3viL | sep, so what i must do? |
| 12:23.00 | shingouz | theD3viL: tail dmsg to get more information out of it as the error tells you to do |
| 12:23.01 | doublehp | snail_: I checked all of them |
| 12:23.18 | J_P | exist modifications in debian system for releases more speed ? each 6 months as openbsd for example ? |
| 12:23.19 | liable | Gothfunc: try new mem sticks |
| 12:23.27 | snail_ | doublehp: what application were you using? |
| 12:23.39 | liable | nite folks |
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| 12:23.57 | Gothfunc | night |
| 12:24.00 | theD3viL | shingouz, command not found |
| 12:24.01 | sep | theD3viL: without knowing what you intend that's a bit dificult to answer. but if that is a new drive you want to mount, then you want to cfdisk /dev/hdc make a partition on it, format the partition with mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdc1 and mount the partition /dev/hdc1 on some mountpoint |
| 12:24.10 | shingouz | theD3viL: what command? |
| 12:24.14 | doublehp | snail_: ispell-aspell |
| 12:24.20 | tra1a1a | sweet dreams |
| 12:24.30 | snail_ | doublehp: do any of the files have recent timestamps? maybe you had two ispells running simultanously and one overwrote the other? |
| 12:24.31 | theD3viL | tail | dmsg |
| 12:24.43 | shingouz | theD3viL: dmesg | tail |
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| 12:24.56 | doublehp | ls |
| 12:25.29 | theD3viL | shingouz, hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 12:25.45 | shingouz | theD3viL: you sure the hd is not borked? |
| 12:25.49 | bdlug | exit |
| 12:25.56 | theD3viL | shingouz, yes |
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| 12:26.20 | shingouz | theD3viL: just that it looks that way... |
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| 12:26.20 | theD3viL | shingouz, its not hd its cdrom |
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| 12:26.52 | irsirius | hi. can someone tell me in which package gl.h and glu.h are or how to find out_? |
| 12:27.03 | greycat | irsirius: /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:28.28 | shingouz | theD3viL: i suspect bad hardware in anycase. if you have another drive there, replace and retry. the only time i have seen such errors is when the drive is dead or when the ide cables are way too long |
| 12:28.31 | irsirius | greycat: great, thanks |
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| 12:29.57 | theD3viL | shingouz, tnx anyway i will testing it on |
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| 12:30.07 | pitillo | whats the channel where i can find help to register my nick? |
| 12:30.25 | shingouz | pitillo: /msg nickserv help |
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| 12:30.36 | pitillo | or how i can ask dpkg about it? |
| 12:30.44 | pitillo | shingouz: thanks |
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| 12:30.51 | pitillo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.55 | volve | Hey all, so I have Sarge running nicely on a dual-boot with WinXP and I'm currently connected remotely and was wondering if, after a reboot back into WinXP there was a way to set a grub flag so that if I reboot from WinXP, it will default back to Linux, and vice-versa... basically I need to change grub defaults from WinXP... anyone? :-/ |
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| 12:31.08 | shingouz | pitillo: lose the space... |
| 12:31.16 | pitillo | yes, sorry |
| 12:32.00 | sep | volve: you can change the default in the file /boot/grub/menu.1st |
| 12:32.30 | volve | sep: yeah but how can I do that from within WinXP ? |
| 12:32.37 | tsw | volve: grub can remember wichc one you chose on previous boot iirc |
| 12:33.12 | volve | I need to do this all remotely, that's the key, so I'll never actually 'see' the grub selection menu |
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| 12:33.21 | d00f | hi |
| 12:33.52 | sep | volve: uuuhhh.. use some kind of ext2fs filesystem tool in windows ? |
| 12:34.17 | shingouz | volve: i think you need to run linux to be able to hack the file (or at least make it work) |
| 12:34.28 | tsw | volve: you could make /boot as fat32 and us it from windows (not recommended though) |
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| 12:34.45 | pitillo | sep: can you edit a file in a extx partition from win? |
| 12:35.08 | shingouz | pitillo: i hear it is doable but i would not recommend it |
| 12:35.34 | d00f | is-it possible to install a package with a answer file ? |
| 12:35.41 | pitillo | shingouz: i think that is only possible to read it, but not to write it |
| 12:35.44 | Triffid_Hunter | shingouz: that would be cos of the chr 13s that windows adds to the newlines |
| 12:35.55 | jm_ | volve: info grub, Booting -> Making your system more robust -> Booting once-only |
| 12:36.15 | Triffid_Hunter | if you could find a win32 program that'll save text with only chr 10 line separators you should be right to make /boot fat32 and edit as you please |
| 12:36.28 | Triffid_Hunter | its not something i'd set up remotely in case it doesn't work though ;) |
| 12:36.31 | pitillo | xD |
| 12:36.40 | sep | pitillo: i tried doing just that using a tool called e2fsexplorer, it runined my partition.. so maybe :) |
| 12:36.41 | tsw | emacs for win should work |
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| 12:36.58 | Triffid_Hunter | or notepad++ |
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| 12:37.46 | sep | pitillo: why are you dualbooting a remote computer anyway ? that sounds like a very uncommon setup :) |
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| 12:38.08 | pitillo | sep: i know that there is a program called explore2fs than can only read this partitions types, but cant write it |
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| 12:38.38 | pitillo | sep: im not dualbooting a remote computer |
| 12:38.50 | pitillo | sep: volve ask that :P |
| 12:38.55 | irsirius_ | i reinstalled xlibmesa-gl-dev xlibmesa-glu-dev. but in /usr/X11R6/include/GL are now only symlinks pointing on themself like glu.h -> ../../X11R6/include/GL/glu.h |
| 12:38.58 | sep | pitillo: run vmware with a minimal linux on it, in windows.. give your vmware linux access to your real ext3 partitions, adn youll have 'safe' write ability |
| 12:39.01 | pitillo | i havent win |
| 12:39.15 | sep | pitillo: ugh sorry. brainfreeze probably |
| 12:39.20 | pitillo | jajajaa |
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| 12:42.32 | volve | thanks jm_, I'll check that out |
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| 12:42.42 | doublehp | aspell does not memorise words properly, ispell can not deal at all with Latex files ... what are the alternatives ? |
| 12:43.01 | volve | thanks sep/ shingouz /tsw :) |
| 12:43.23 | caphuso | doublehp: ispell -t |
| 12:44.20 | pitillo | volve: read about this program Paragon Mount Everything v3 |
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| 12:44.49 | pitillo | volve: perhaps it can help you |
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| 12:46.03 | shingouz | volve: why the hell would you like to screw with the grub.conf from windoze is what i would like to know |
| 12:46.26 | doublehp | caphuso: no effect |
| 12:47.18 | caphuso | doublehp: that's weird |
| 12:47.19 | theD3viL | i cant add printer in kcontrol.. what can i do?? |
| 12:47.36 | volve | shingouz: you're missing the point. jm_ pointed me in the right direct. I basically want to boot to WinXP once, then reboot and have the system load Linux again and NOT WinXP for a 2nd time. Luckily Grub has some "Boot once-only" options that are useful in this instance, but were designed in case your newly compiled kernel panics or something. |
| 12:48.06 | shingouz | volve: why do you need to access the ext2 then from windows |
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| 12:48.53 | kamils | Helo. How to disabled ipv6 in /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
| 12:49.15 | shingouz | kamils: you do not disable it from there |
| 12:49.15 | volve | shingouz: I don't, that wasn't my suggestion :) |
| 12:49.39 | kamils | shingouz: thx |
| 12:50.24 | shingouz | kamils: why do you want to disable ipv6 in the first place |
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| 12:51.39 | kamils | shingouz: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade stop any minut |
| 12:52.09 | shingouz | kamils: and what has that to do with ipv6 then. how about telling us the real error |
| 12:52.12 | yaccobb | have linux some PSPad like web editor ? Blufish isn't bad but I am still missing many features.... |
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| 12:52.53 | CrAzYWolF | morning all |
| 12:52.57 | gbo | hi all ! |
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| 12:53.32 | yaccobb | CrAzYWolF: morning ? i have 2:53PM :-P |
| 12:53.38 | gbo | i have a question, anyone know nxclient ??? (sorry for my bas english, i'm french) |
| 12:53.45 | shingouz | !fr |
| 12:53.45 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:53.46 | greycat | !ask |
| 12:53.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 12:54.49 | CrAzYWolF | yaccobb |
| 12:54.51 | CrAzYWolF | whoa |
| 12:54.55 | CrAzYWolF | hahaha |
| 12:54.58 | CrAzYWolF | here is 8:55 |
| 12:54.59 | CrAzYWolF | am |
| 12:55.00 | CrAzYWolF | >:P |
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| 12:55.15 | yaccobb | CrAzYWolF: you could write that on one line:-P |
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| 12:55.17 | dfzi | CrAzYWolF, new york? |
| 12:55.21 | greycat | CrAzYWolF: so what? |
| 12:55.26 | gbo | I just want to connect two PC via internet with nxclient and freenx, but he can't loggin, he said "Info: Proxy running in client mode with pid '8081'." |
| 12:55.36 | CrAzYWolF | Dominican Republic |
| 12:55.43 | dfzi | wtf is that |
| 12:55.48 | dfzi | some oil country? |
| 12:55.55 | greycat | dfzi: don't be a moron. |
| 12:55.58 | yaccobb | greycat: Kuba |
| 12:56.04 | CrAzYWolF | is a island is left to Puerto Rico |
| 12:56.07 | dfzi | CrAzYWolF, you smuggle heroine and oil? |
| 12:56.15 | yaccobb | greycat: sorry, not for you;) |
| 12:56.16 | CrAzYWolF | lol |
| 12:56.17 | shingouz | dfzi: not nice |
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| 12:56.33 | jm_ | gbo: it's probably best if you subscribe to their mailing list and ask there |
| 12:56.34 | J_P | hey all, exist modifications in debian system for releases more speed ? each 6 months as openbsd for example ? |
| 12:56.35 | CrAzYWolF | greycat nothing bro just saying what time is here |
| 12:56.41 | CrAzYWolF | >:( |
| 12:56.42 | greycat | J_P: no. |
| 12:56.43 | CrAzYWolF | >:) |
| 12:56.55 | dfzi | "bro" :E |
| 12:57.05 | greycat | CrAzYWolF: apparently we share the same time zone. But you don't have to spread it across 7 lines of IRC with "lol" crap thrown in. |
| 12:57.15 | dfzi | shingouz, i would if i could. 1. business 2. profit |
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| 12:57.31 | shingouz | dfzi: that is your problem |
| 12:57.49 | pitillo | shingouz: the option make -j x in 1 computer compiler faster? or this is an option for clustering? |
| 12:57.56 | CrAzYWolF | sorry man thats my style |
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| 12:58.03 | shingouz | pitillo: how many cpu's do you have? |
| 12:58.06 | pitillo | 1 |
| 12:58.15 | shingouz | pitillo: leave it as it is then |
| 12:58.50 | pitillo | shingouz: then it isnt beter with 1 cpu only? |
| 12:59.13 | J_P | ok |
| 12:59.14 | shingouz | pitillo: it just overloads your system unless you have the cpu's to back it up. leave as it is |
| 12:59.20 | greycat | pitillo: try it and find out. |
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| 12:59.52 | Gathond | pitillo: -j 2 might be slightly faster on a 1 CPU system, if the workload is generated such that one thread can use CPU while one waits for IO |
| 12:59.56 | shingouz | yaccobb: do you have more cpu's? ;) |
| 12:59.57 | pitillo | shingouz: i tried with 2 cpus, but yesterday one friend told me to trie it with 1 cpu only |
| 13:00.05 | bbrazil | I've heard say on this channel that (no cpus)+1 is the best |
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| 13:00.46 | pitillo | thanks for all answers |
| 13:00.57 | shingouz | pitillo: compile a few kernels with different settings of -j and time them. you have to do the comparison yourself but most of the time on a single cpu system -j 1 is the fastest |
| 13:01.06 | yaccobb | shingouz: when i was looking to kernel, there is some value for max nuber of cpu's (each 8kb in kernel) adn default value is 32:) so I wonder who have more than 2 cpu's.... |
| 13:01.25 | yaccobb | *CPUs |
| 13:01.51 | streuner | hm |
| 13:01.55 | snail_ | yaccobb: search the lkml for dicussions of multiple cpu machines |
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| 13:01.58 | yaccobb | shingouz: but I must agree it would be cool to have 32 processord |
| 13:02.07 | shingouz | yaccobb: i have a quad here but it is not yet operational |
| 13:02.08 | FabParma | Does exist a repository very comlete? |
| 13:02.22 | jm_ | you might soon have a system with dual-core CPU |
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| 13:02.27 | FabParma | Does exist a repository very complete? |
| 13:02.40 | shingouz | !it |
| 13:02.40 | volve | jm_: not sure if my last message came through. My Sarge system seems to be missing grub-set-default... Google yeilds only 1 other person with the same issue :-/ |
| 13:02.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 13:02.47 | yaccobb | shingouz: 4 ? where did you get such mainboeard ? NASA ? :-P |
| 13:02.50 | eye69 | FabParma: Stop repeating yourself. |
| 13:02.50 | shingouz | FabParma: and do not repat, it is annoying |
| 13:03.03 | shingouz | yaccobb: Compaq Proliant 6000 |
| 13:03.26 | streuner | he did correct himself not repeat |
| 13:03.32 | shingouz | quad ppro 200 |
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| 13:03.46 | FabParma | shingouz: i repeated just because i mistaken typing |
| 13:03.48 | jm_ | volve: yes, it's not there -- you can find it in a post on GRUB list, I know I have found it a few weeks ago when someone asked a similar question |
| 13:03.52 | shingouz | k |
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| 13:04.30 | streuner | FabParma: try #debian-it |
| 13:04.36 | nickv111 | Hello. I recently set up a debian UML and installed ssh |
| 13:05.09 | nickv111 | Unfortunately, when I run sshd on it, it closes the connection on any machines that try to connect |
| 13:05.21 | volve | jm_: hmm, I'll see if I can play with grub-reboot too then instead... thanks :) |
| 13:05.25 | yaccobb | shingouz: Compaq Proliant 6000 - wow, how did it costed you ? And why it isn't working ? It's not the newest machine but... |
| 13:05.30 | shingouz | nickv111: check hosts.allow and hosts.deby |
| 13:05.33 | yaccobb | *how much |
| 13:05.35 | nickv111 | shingouz: I did |
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| 13:06.02 | nickv111 | shingouz: It closes the connection right before the ssh client tries to use keyboard-interactive |
| 13:06.02 | shingouz | yaccobb: the price is a secret and i do not have the space here to use it, too many boxes as it is |
| 13:06.03 | streuner | !tell weriowepor03 about away |
| 13:06.09 | tra1a1a | nickv111: explain better, what is happening? |
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| 13:06.36 | nickv111 | nick@p1mp nick $ ssh 192.168.1.6 -p 2223 |
| 13:06.37 | nickv111 | Connection closed by 192.168.1.6 |
| 13:06.45 | nickv111 | I'm using port 2223 for the server, by the way |
| 13:06.54 | yaccobb | shingouz: secret ? that sound like you gained it some unusual way... :-P ok. |
| 13:06.54 | shingouz | i was about to ask about it |
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| 13:07.05 | doublehp | how to spell check a document ? |
| 13:07.05 | shingouz | yaccobb: cheap. dirt cheap |
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| 13:07.09 | nickv111 | I am using debian unstable |
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| 13:07.31 | nickv111 | I upgraded from a sarge install |
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| 13:07.56 | pitillo | nickv111: have you tried ssh -p 2223 IP |
| 13:07.58 | tra1a1a | nickv111: ah, sid... that's the reason. don't use it anymore. |
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| 13:08.24 | nickv111 | tra1a1a: Funny, because I have another machine running sid and its ssh works fine |
| 13:08.50 | brontitall | Ok, I'm probably really dense at this time of night, but what's the official fix for "c++: command not found"? I have g++-3.2 installed, but no /etc/alternatives link |
| 13:08.51 | amorphix | i think i broke my locate :-( |
| 13:08.53 | tra1a1a | nickv111: yes, sid is known to behave funny. check /msg dpkg sid |
| 13:08.58 | nickv111 | pitillo: Yes |
| 13:09.15 | yaccobb | shingouz: I have no idea about prices and stuff like that. Nor servers.... |
| 13:09.28 | shingouz | nickv111: try with some other value of -l |
| 13:09.32 | yaccobb | shingouz: you are sys administrator, aren't you ? |
| 13:09.43 | shingouz | i have been known to bofh around, yes |
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| 13:09.51 | snail_ | doublehp: emacs and openoffice both do it from the menus |
| 13:09.55 | nickv111 | shingouz: I have |
| 13:10.10 | nickv111 | shingouz: No matter what I do, it closes the connection |
| 13:10.38 | amorphix | when i try to use locate i get the following: locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory |
| 13:10.38 | shingouz | nickv111: can you scp something into the box? |
| 13:10.48 | amorphix | is it possible to fix it? |
| 13:10.48 | nickv111 | I am using PAM and challenge response authentication |
| 13:10.53 | doublehp | snail_: for latex files ? |
| 13:10.57 | nickv111 | shingouz: No, I can't connect via ssh at all |
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| 13:11.08 | shingouz | nickv111: maybe PAM fscks it up somehow |
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| 13:11.19 | tra1a1a | amorphix: man updatedb |
| 13:11.20 | sep | amorphix: updatedb |
| 13:11.21 | nickv111 | shingouz: When I disable PAM, I get this error upon connecting: |
| 13:11.25 | snail_ | doublehp: user emacs. |
| 13:11.28 | amorphix | tralala: thanx |
| 13:11.58 | nickv111 | nick@p1mp nick $ ssh 192.168.1.6 -p 2223 |
| 13:11.58 | nickv111 | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
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| 13:12.43 | amorphix | sep: thanx |
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| 13:12.57 | shingouz | nickv111: you sure the keys are as they should and that you do not have some weird and wonderful firewall on it? nmap the box to see is ssh there in the first place? |
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| 13:13.10 | nickv111 | shingouz: ssh is on there |
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| 13:13.18 | nickv111 | Otherwise I would get connection refused |
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| 13:13.31 | shingouz | nickv111: i am a bit lost. quite a bit to tell the truth |
| 13:13.34 | nickv111 | I even tried regenerating the keys manually |
| 13:13.53 | nickv111 | I can telnet to the ssh port and stay there |
| 13:14.03 | shingouz | yaccobb: good choice |
| 13:14.11 | nickv111 | It's just after the client asks to do keyboard-interactive that the server closes the connection |
| 13:14.15 | nickv111 | It never prompts me for my password |
| 13:14.39 | shingouz | nickv111: recheck the sshd.conf, you may have some oddities there |
| 13:14.49 | nickv111 | shingouz: I have |
| 13:14.51 | yaccobb | shingouz: You are so happy I shut up ? bah, what can i do... |
| 13:15.01 | amorphix | should i update my kernel im running Sarge 2.4.18 |
| 13:15.01 | nickv111 | shingouz: I compared it with a working sshd_config and it was identical |
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| 13:15.18 | shingouz | yaccobb: naah.. pratchett is always a good choice |
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| 13:15.52 | amorphix | is it recommended to update kernel to 2.6? |
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| 13:16.02 | shingouz | nickv111: i am stumped. sorry :( |
| 13:16.16 | nickv111 | shingouz: I see... |
| 13:16.36 | nickv111 | I've used unstable for a long time on my laptop and haven't had any troubles |
| 13:16.40 | nickv111 | Except with ssh, that is |
| 13:16.40 | amorphix | has anyone had any success getting a Wacom graphics tablet to work in X? |
| 13:16.48 | yaccobb | shingouz: that's true, there aren't many autors who written many books and all are good. Don't you think ? |
| 13:16.50 | nickv111 | I wonder if there is a problem with sid and ssh |
| 13:16.57 | greycat | !bts |
| 13:16.57 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 13:17.00 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 13:17.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 13:17.25 | shingouz | nickv111: are all the necessary parts on the system if keyboard interactive fails. did you check the logs already for hints? |
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| 13:18.15 | takisd | hi, cleaning up start up services, i have rsync starting - do i need it. it was set to start by default (??) i imagine?? |
| 13:18.34 | shingouz | you'll get it pretty soon |
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| 13:18.42 | amorphix | hi |
| 13:18.50 | amorphix | is it recommended to update kernel to 2.6? |
| 13:19.06 | shingouz | !tell amorphix about repeat |
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| 13:19.30 | shingouz | amorphix: depends if you need it. go for it if you like but not on a server |
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| 13:20.07 | amorphix | oh im just wondering, since im having probs with my hardware (graphics tablet and digital camera) |
| 13:20.15 | amorphix | would upgrading fix it |
| 13:20.17 | nickv111 | I can't find anything on the FAQ or the BTW |
| 13:20.18 | shingouz | amorphix: in that case yes |
| 13:20.20 | nickv111 | BTS* |
| 13:20.20 | greycat | amorphix: there is much debate about 2.6 vs. 2.4. |
| 13:20.22 | amorphix | okay thanx |
| 13:20.29 | greycat | amorphix: use whatever works best for *you*. |
| 13:20.38 | nickv111 | I have to go, guys |
| 13:20.40 | nickv111 | BIAB |
| 13:20.48 | amorphix | i dunno which works best tho, i guess no one can know unless someone has similiar hardware |
| 13:20.49 | shingouz | nickv111: has to be some misconfiguration on your system :( |
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| 13:21.32 | amorphix | im trying to setup a Wacom graphics tablet without success so far, i know its been successfully setup on Debian Woody & Sid, but no mention of Sarge |
| 13:21.43 | amorphix | it should work, kernel 2.4 and 2.6 have been used |
| 13:21.57 | shingouz | amorphix: did you read the tablet howto? |
| 13:22.00 | amorphix | yea |
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| 13:22.28 | useruser | nickv111: ssh -v -v -v doesn't say anything interestingn? |
| 13:22.29 | amorphix | one fing about Linux that really pisses me off is lack of hardware support, or if it is supported it takes ages to setup |
| 13:22.49 | amorphix | end rant |
| 13:22.54 | amorphix | heh |
| 13:22.57 | useruser | nickv111: oh, you've gone. nm. |
| 13:23.00 | shingouz | amorphix: b/s |
| 13:23.12 | amorphix | bs? |
| 13:23.19 | useruser | !bs |
| 13:23.20 | dpkg | i guess bs is Bullshit. Bahamas, or an annoying pain in the ass, so be smart: /ignore bs |
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| 13:23.26 | amorphix | well this is pretty common hardware |
| 13:23.27 | tra1a1a | amorphix: there are two things you could do about it - 1) become a sponsor of a driver development team, 2) become a member of a driver development team |
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| 13:23.53 | useruser | 3) pay aforementioned people |
| 13:24.01 | useruser | oh, that;s 1) |
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| 13:24.09 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 13:24.12 | amorphix | with Windows tho they have sussed, plug in, start to use eh |
| 13:24.17 | amorphix | why not in Linux? |
| 13:24.39 | tra1a1a | !tell amorphix about smart questions |
| 13:24.44 | amorphix | the drivers are available and installed on my system |
| 13:24.50 | amorphix | yet i cant use my hardware |
| 13:24.57 | greycat | how do you expect US to fix it? |
| 13:25.12 | snail_ | amorphix: bitch to someone who cares? |
| 13:25.15 | shingouz | amorphix: you need to give us information on the damn thing |
| 13:25.15 | amorphix | im just wondering what ive done wrong |
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| 13:25.22 | tra1a1a | and why do you expect us to give a shit about it? |
| 13:25.23 | amorphix | ok |
| 13:25.37 | useruser | greycat: if everyone in #debian closes their eyes and wishes *very* hard, it might just fix it |
| 13:25.44 | amorphix | heh |
| 13:25.53 | pitillo | xD |
| 13:26.08 | tra1a1a | naah, I'm not going to do that - I'll wish that it breaks instead! |
| 13:26.12 | amorphix | the graphics tablet stops X starting and reports "no screen available" |
| 13:26.33 | directhex|work | !noscreensfound |
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| 13:26.33 | dpkg | methinks noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 13:26.45 | tra1a1a | !tell amorphix about smart questions |
| 13:26.57 | tra1a1a | again, and again, and again |
| 13:27.00 | amorphix | i copied the config from another Wacom PenPartner user who got it working |
| 13:27.05 | amorphix | so i should work on my system |
| 13:27.08 | amorphix | *it |
| 13:27.28 | useruser | amorphix: bzzt. wrong, try again |
| 13:27.28 | amorphix | phew |
| 13:27.43 | useruser | amorphix: unless you have identical machines |
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| 13:28.24 | shingouz | amorphix: does the thing need drivers and are they loaded, what is the thing connected to (serial, usb, scsi, sata, phone line)... |
| 13:28.39 | amorphix | yes it needs a wacom_drv which i have is loaded by X |
| 13:28.43 | GregM | ive managed to kill dpkg is there a way ican get it back to a salvagable level when i try apt-get remove xserver-xfree86 it says /var/lib/dpkg/available does not exist? |
| 13:28.53 | amorphix | its connected on serial |
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| 13:29.27 | caphuso | GregM: run "dselect update", and hope that your available file is the only thing gone missing |
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| 13:30.14 | shingouz | amorphix: how about reading the xfree86 log and tell us what the real error is? is it too hard to do? |
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| 13:30.19 | pitillo | amorphix: have you readed the X log to find any problem? |
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| 13:30.43 | golya | Hi! How can I undelete files on an ext3 filesystem? |
| 13:30.51 | amorphix | ok im going thru the log, but i didnt get much last time i checked |
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| 13:30.54 | shingouz | backups |
| 13:31.21 | tra1a1a | don't tell us you don't have backups |
| 13:31.35 | golya | I don't have backups, just daily backups |
| 13:31.51 | golya | So? |
| 13:32.08 | useruser | golya: no idea if this would actually work, but maybe you could remount it as ext2 and use ext2 undeletion tools |
| 13:32.57 | shingouz | golya: get the stuff from the backups is the best alternative, maybe what useruser said will work too |
| 13:32.59 | Guerin | golya: best bet is to unmount it immediately and use debugfs |
| 13:33.00 | tra1a1a | so you have the golden opportunity to implement a backup scheme right now |
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| 13:35.08 | doublehp | any one can afford me an ssh account for 15 minutes ? |
| 13:35.42 | weriowepor03 | hey all , is there currently an issue upgrading to kde from the unstable branch ? |
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| 13:36.07 | weriowepor03 | apt-get install kde <- fails within unstable |
| 13:36.09 | tra1a1a | !moron doublehp |
| 13:36.10 | dpkg | doublehp: You are moron #71 |
| 13:36.12 | snail_ | doublehp: to do what? |
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| 13:36.30 | doublehp | !moron doublehp |
| 13:36.31 | dpkg | doublehp: You are moron #79 |
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| 13:36.34 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.44 | DarthShredder | http://www.phcn.ws/main/include.php?path=content/news.php&contentid=195 Today big Event ... |
| 13:36.46 | schrankwand | Hi, can I check if a specific screen is available in the XFConfig-4? |
| 13:36.51 | tra1a1a | to run teh l4tets c00l scr1pt, ya no |
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| 13:37.29 | greycat | schrankwand: uh... by reading it? |
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| 13:37.46 | tra1a1a | nah, it can't be *that* easy! |
| 13:37.53 | schrankwand | gradzac: how do you mean that? |
| 13:38.09 | Sirius_Black | is there a package that let's you open/read pdf files in console (i.e. not in X)? |
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| 13:38.16 | useruser | schrankwand: you could use this: http://www.fiction.net/blong/programs/mutt/autoview/RunningX.c |
| 13:38.49 | tra1a1a | !find ps2ascii |
| 13:38.49 | MDC | Sirius_Black: pdf2text |
| 13:38.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ps2ascii' (4): (/usr/bin/ps2ascii) in text/gs-common ;; (/usr/share/gs-esp/7.07/lib/ps2ascii.ps) in text/gs-esp ;; (/usr/share/gs-gpl/8.01/lib/ps2ascii.ps) in text/gs-gpl ;; (/usr/share/gs-afpl/8.14/lib/ps2ascii.ps) in non-free/text/gs-afpl. |
| 13:39.06 | useruser | Sirius_Black: gs + fbi + a little script, i guess |
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| 13:39.17 | Sirius_Black | tnx guys |
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| 13:40.08 | tra1a1a | !tnx |
| 13:40.09 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
| 13:40.52 | useruser | dpkg: you, sir, are obnoxious |
| 13:40.52 | dpkg | useruser: what are you talking about? |
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| 13:40.53 | amorphix | u're a grumpy lot today :P |
| 13:40.53 | whm | can someone tell me how to add program icon(links) to the desk on icewm?? |
| 13:41.09 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: heh, I like your style. |
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| 13:42.13 | tra1a1a | yaccobb: thank you - it meens so much to me! |
| 13:42.55 | tra1a1a | whm: let me take a wild guess - the icewm docs? |
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| 13:43.45 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: you would teach dpkg something like '!sarcasm' instead of replying to me. bah |
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| 13:44.05 | s-toned | Is there a (nearly) complete diagnosis suite for a debian system, where /proc, lspci, lsmod, vmstat, nload, lsusb, dpkg -l,... is integrated under a nice gui (maybe curses-gui) |
| 13:44.09 | useruser | !sarcasm |
| 13:44.09 | dpkg | from memory, sarcasm is when you say something that you don't entirely mean in order to gain some sort of dramatic effect or other er something;; for example "that's a really good definition" |
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| 13:44.49 | weriowepor03 | hey all , is there currently an issue upgrading to kde from the unstable branch ? |
| 13:44.50 | weriowepor03 | apt-get install kde <- fails within unstable |
| 13:45.32 | tra1a1a | yes, there is |
| 13:45.44 | s-toned | tra1a1a: oh, good |
| 13:46.06 | yaccobb | tra1a1a: How can someone becom so naturaly rude ? Is there some FAQ :-P |
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| 13:46.17 | s-toned | tra1a1a: and, has it a known name? |
| 13:46.41 | tra1a1a | whm: don't msg me, instead /msg dpkg smart questions and come back later |
| 13:46.53 | greycat | yaccobb: constant exposure to morons. |
| 13:47.09 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 13:47.15 | cahoot | yaccobb: easily picked up manner if one hangs around here for a while |
| 13:47.31 | tra1a1a | s/g/k/ |
| 13:48.12 | tra1a1a | yaccobb : yes, there is - the smart questions covers it as well |
| 13:48.14 | yaccobb | greycat: sorry, I can't translate that. But I suppose it's 'you-are-stupid' said complicated way. Ok, I really go read... |
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| 13:48.39 | tra1a1a | s-toned: it has - we are calling it unstable |
| 13:48.45 | Guerin | yaccobb: more like 'everyone is stupid' |
| 13:48.49 | Triffid_Hunter | lol greycat.. its funny 'cause its true.. |
| 13:48.55 | prahal | whm: you should try editing your program /usr/lib/menu/$package file (if it have one) |
| 13:49.08 | yaccobb | Guerin: and 'exposure' mean what ? |
| 13:49.24 | yaccobb | Guerin: and don't redirect me to dictionary... |
| 13:49.34 | Guerin | yaccobb: hanging around - like exposure to radiation gives you cancer. |
| 13:49.38 | greycat | yaccobb: /msg dpkg ravenbird exposure |
| 13:49.41 | s-toned | tra1a1a: no, I mean a diagnostic software suite for a debian system |
| 13:49.42 | greycat | yaccobb: /msg dpkg ravenbird dict exposure |
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| 13:49.48 | greycat | bah. fuck it. not worth it. |
| 13:49.56 | Guerin | yaccobb: you probably don't understand hanging around |
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| 13:51.12 | yaccobb | Guerin: constant exposure to morons -> 'still existence there, where morons are' ? :] |
| 13:51.17 | prahal | s-toned: not debian per se - snare (need kernel patching , is an event logger), moodss . zabbix looks great but is not packaged yet (you can try ti from source) |
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| 13:51.51 | greycat | yaccobb: "being around morons all the time" |
| 13:52.19 | Guerin | morons... everywhere |
| 13:52.24 | tra1a1a | s-toned : sorry, there's been a misunderstanding. I wasn't talking to you. |
| 13:52.25 | greycat | !thursday |
| 13:52.26 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day. |
| 13:52.53 | DerSchotte | depmod says it's can't find System-map for my compiled kernel, how do I make one or where do I find it ? |
| 13:53.10 | greycat | DerSchotte: cp System.map /boot/System.map-$(uname -r) |
| 13:53.13 | greycat | DerSchotte: and then /msg dpkg kp |
| 13:53.14 | yaccobb | greycat: how is that book with Arthur and Ford called in english ? |
| 13:53.15 | prahal | s-toned: http://prahal.darktech.org/~prahal/know/bk2site/Harden/Monitoring/index.html |
| 13:53.26 | greycat | yaccobb: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy |
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| 13:53.32 | cahoot | DerSchotte: if you use kernelpackage all this is taken care of for you |
| 13:54.02 | gnube | I would like to move from Fedora to Debian; do I need to update the kernel then use apt-get or is there a better way? |
| 13:54.17 | yaccobb | greycat: omg, very interesting translation... 'Stopav prvodce po galaxii' in my lang;) |
| 13:54.19 | Guerin | gnube: dude, it's not like changing underware. |
| 13:54.20 | greycat | gnube: you don't need to touch the kernel. |
| 13:54.24 | jethro | yaccobb: there isn't just one book |
| 13:54.26 | s-toned | prahal: so I'm not alone in thinking that there is a need for such a diagnosis-software-suite, I'll have a look (maybe two), thanks |
| 13:54.27 | gnube | I would like to preserve as much information on the system as possible |
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| 13:54.38 | gnube | greycat, |
| 13:54.38 | jethro | yaccobb: it's like 4 or 5 |
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| 13:54.40 | DerSchotte | hmm, I had to include a few patches on my server and used make bzImage, I don't know kernelpackage |
| 13:54.46 | Guerin | gnube: back up what you want to keep, nuke your drive and install from scratch |
| 13:54.58 | yaccobb | jethro: 6. I have 6th at home. |
| 13:55.02 | greycat | Guerin: "It's the only way to be sure." |
| 13:55.08 | jethro | yaccobb: my bad |
| 13:55.11 | gnube | greycat Should I just use apt-get then? |
| 13:55.12 | DerSchotte | !kp |
| 13:55.12 | dpkg | kp is probably To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 13:55.18 | Guerin | it's the only way to really eradicate fedora |
| 13:55.37 | yaccobb | Guerin: omg why erradicate Fedora ? |
| 13:55.55 | Guerin | gnube: no, you can't upgrade directly from fedora to debian. Just like you can't make your car suddenly run on diesel instead of petrol. |
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| 13:56.10 | prahal | s-toned: i agree for the need. Though there is no point in having a debian only one :) |
| 13:56.13 | Guerin | yaccobb: i can think of a bunch of reasons, but i'm talking about gnube's computer specifically. |
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| 13:56.29 | Knight_Lord | How can i find if 2 computers in my network have the same IP |
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| 13:56.49 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: they can't, at the same time. |
| 13:57.07 | greycat | Guerin: it would be bad if they did. it's not impossible.... just evil. |
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| 13:57.11 | yaccobb | Guerin: I thought Fedora is good distribution... Linux is full of surprises (and opinions). |
| 13:57.12 | caphuso | Guerin: they can |
| 13:57.22 | caphuso | causes a few problems |
| 13:57.27 | Knight_Lord | Guerin yea i know but someone plugged in by mistake |
| 13:57.34 | gnube | A while back I saw a document on the internet that describe the process of moving from RedHat to debian using only the net install |
| 13:57.37 | Guerin | hrm, mine always kicks one if i get a clash |
| 13:57.40 | gnube | I want to do that |
| 13:57.50 | greycat | gnube: so do it. we won't be responsible for the disaster. |
| 13:57.51 | Knight_Lord | Guerin or that is my suspicion. I tried to use arp to get the MAC addresses but i always get the same |
| 13:57.58 | Guerin | gnube: you're talking about debtakeover. Use with extreme caution. |
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| 13:58.10 | Tecky | anyone know about a postfix-dbm package ? |
| 13:58.10 | gnube | I'll google that |
| 13:58.16 | Guerin | gnube: better to use debootstrap |
| 13:58.21 | tra1a1a | what a brilliant idea! |
| 13:58.23 | Tecky | i'm getting a fucked up error w/ postfix cuz it says i dont have the postfix-dbm error |
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| 13:58.35 | DerSchotte | !help |
| 13:58.35 | s-toned | prahal: Once debian has it, the world has it. :-) |
| 13:58.38 | greycat | you get an error because you don't have an error? |
| 13:58.41 | Tecky | May 26 09:50:18 Guardian postfix/smtpd[12377]: fatal: dict_open: unsupported dictionary type: dbm: Is the postfix-dbm package installed? |
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| 13:58.59 | petemc | gnube: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 13:59.02 | Guerin | gnube: debootstrap means installing debian in a separate partition or cd, then removing the host OS, in this case fedora |
| 13:59.04 | Knight_Lord | I want to know if 2 computers in my network are grabbing the same IP. How can i do that? |
| 13:59.07 | d00f | ++ |
| 13:59.09 | Guerin | err, s/cd/dir/ |
| 13:59.17 | yaccobb | Ok, one moron less for a while, lowering your rate of exposure. |
| 13:59.33 | runa | hey :) I have a new machine (amd64 with an asus-nForce mb) and the soundcard (Realtek ALC850 / Nvidia CK8S) works horrible with ALSA (sounds metalic, with echo, etc). Any hints? |
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| 13:59.44 | gnube | Thanks for the suggestions Guerin petemc |
| 13:59.50 | tra1a1a | !anyone know |
| 13:59.50 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 14:00.19 | jethro | Knight_Lord: run ifconfig or the equivalent on both and check their IP addresses? |
| 14:00.27 | DerSchotte | oh oh, jigdo just spewed out "EROR package x not found", is that bad ? |
| 14:00.43 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: i'd use tcpdump and awk and sort and uniq, i suppose |
| 14:00.44 | tra1a1a | Knight_Lord: you might try to sniff the arp network traffic using tcpdump |
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| 14:01.35 | theD3viL | Why my cdrom cant mount it? |
| 14:01.44 | Guerin | tcpdump, order by ip address, awk out ip address and mac, use uniq to remove duplicates |
| 14:01.47 | theD3viL | it says mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, |
| 14:02.11 | tra1a1a | DerSchotte: it's not a disaster, but you will need to build another image |
| 14:02.11 | Guerin | you should get two hits with the same ip and different mac |
| 14:02.19 | daft | what is the divrence between ext3 and reiser? |
| 14:02.19 | gnube | theD3viL, try it as root first |
| 14:02.29 | DerSchotte | tra1a1a: k, thnx |
| 14:02.33 | theD3viL | i did... still same |
| 14:02.55 | Guerin | theD3viL: what's your mount line? |
| 14:02.58 | prahal | s-toned: well if you go further than i (i mainly try to help those packages works out of the box on debian), could you send your findings to http://www.debian-administration.org/ (i know i should too ... ) |
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| 14:02.59 | gnube | theD3viL, post the command you used |
| 14:03.11 | DerSchotte | daft: they are both jpurnaling FSs but with different pros/contra |
| 14:03.23 | greycat | "pros and cons" |
| 14:03.36 | DerSchotte | s/jpurnaling/journaling/ |
| 14:03.38 | theD3viL | gnube, mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom or. media/cdrom |
| 14:03.39 | Knight_Lord | How can i determine the MAC addresses that correspond to a certain IP? |
| 14:03.55 | Guerin | theD3viL: just try mount /media/cdrom |
| 14:04.01 | greycat | Knight_Lord: ping it, then use "arp -a" |
| 14:04.03 | daft | if i want a big partition with large files (movies) I dont need journaling right? |
| 14:04.05 | gnube | theD3viL, Is this a music CD by any chance? |
| 14:04.06 | DerSchotte | theD3vil: /mnt/cdrom is a device |
| 14:04.09 | greycat | Knight_Lord: you must, of course, be on the same network. |
| 14:04.10 | jethro | Knight_Lord: or use arping |
| 14:04.18 | s-toned | prahal: I'll try to keep that in mind. |
| 14:04.20 | Guerin | no, mnt/cdrom is NOT a fucking device |
| 14:04.37 | greycat | unless he made it one, but that's unlikely. |
| 14:04.38 | theD3viL | gnube, i did... still the same erorr.... |
| 14:04.45 | DerSchotte | Duh, you're right, I read /dev/cdrom, my bad |
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| 14:05.07 | gnube | theD3viL, If this is a music CD, the it is not an iso9660 filesystem |
| 14:05.13 | theD3viL | DerSchotte, i tried both |
| 14:05.20 | tra1a1a | !tell theD3viL about smart questions |
| 14:05.21 | Guerin | theD3viL: not a valid iso9660 image, then. Simple. |
| 14:05.22 | theD3viL | gnube, no its not music.. |
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| 14:05.41 | Knight_Lord | jethro if i have more than 1 computer with the same IP would i be able to detect the second with arping? |
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| 14:05.51 | DerSchotte | try fsck /dev/hdc and see WHAT FS it is then :) |
| 14:06.02 | gnube | theD ^^^ what he said |
| 14:06.21 | tra1a1a | Knight_Lord: didn't you just get several answers on how to check the problem?! |
| 14:06.21 | greycat | Knight_Lord: just walk up to the fucking computer and FIND OUT what its IP is. Sheesh. |
| 14:06.47 | Knight_Lord | greycat i don't know where the rogue computer is |
| 14:06.47 | theD3viL | fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.iso9660 for /dev/hdc |
| 14:07.15 | gnube | theD3viL, you may have a corrupted iso |
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| 14:07.21 | useruser | Knight_Lord: maybe you want arpwatch |
| 14:07.27 | greycat | Knight_Lord: take down the one you know has the IP in question, then ping that IP and if something responds, you had a duplicate. |
| 14:07.33 | DerSchotte | *IF* it is an iso CD then it's broken |
| 14:07.35 | Knight_Lord | greycat someone connected to the network a computer with the same IP as the server and obviously it fucked up everything |
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| 14:08.08 | Knight_Lord | greycat yes that's an option. I was trying to figure out if i could do it without shutting down the server |
| 14:08.35 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: the server's probably unreliable now anyway |
| 14:08.40 | tra1a1a | yes, you can - just unplug it |
| 14:08.46 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: mine timed out and dropped off after a short while |
| 14:09.03 | DerSchotte | theD3viL: Did you burn the CD, or where is it from ? |
| 14:09.12 | runa | does anyone uses debian & amd64 and has some tips&tricks to share? |
| 14:09.17 | Tecky | May 26 09:50:18 Guardian postfix/smtpd[12377]: fatal: dict_open: unsupported dictionary type: dbm: Is the postfix-dbm package installed? ???? there is no such package w/ debian is there ? |
| 14:09.28 | tra1a1a | !anyone use |
| 14:09.28 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:09.31 | paco | hi...i have debian sid and i am trying to install VMWare Workstation 5.0. Duirng the installation proces, they asked me 'where is the location of the directory of c header files that match the running kernel'? |
| 14:09.32 | greycat | Tecky: well, is it? |
| 14:09.34 | Knight_Lord | useruser thanks arpwatch is good |
| 14:09.40 | jethro | Knight_Lord: if they're on the same network, we don't you get to each console, and run ifconfig or the equivalent for the concerned Operating System ? |
| 14:09.48 | jethro | s/get/go/ |
| 14:09.55 | Tecky | greycat: huh ? |
| 14:10.05 | Knight_Lord | jethro and what would ifconfig get me? |
| 14:10.11 | joel_ | paco: those are the kernel-header packages, after installation those reside in /usr/src |
| 14:10.13 | jethro | Knight_Lord: the IP address is any |
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| 14:10.24 | jethro | Knight_Lord: that's what the manpage suggests |
| 14:10.27 | DerSchotte | paco: apt-get install kernal-headers-xyz |
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| 14:10.31 | Tecky | there is no such package in debian testing |
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| 14:10.40 | Knight_Lord | jethro to the console of each computer? i don't even know where thecomputers are |
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| 14:10.44 | jethro | Knight_Lord: the IP address if any |
| 14:10.57 | theD3viL | DerSchotte, yes it was wrong type.. but it was 2cds .. so i think its cool... now this fine...now i must set up my HP5150 printer.. but i cant add it in kcontrol .. what to do? |
| 14:11.11 | jethro | Knight_Lord: then you need to read about smart questions, so you can detail your problem properly, and let others help you more efficiently |
| 14:11.21 | joel_ | paco: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) will get you the correct package |
| 14:11.21 | paco | DerSchotte and joel_, thx |
| 14:11.22 | jethro | Knight_Lord: /msg dpkg smart questions |
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| 14:12.00 | paco | joel_, with the parenthesis? |
| 14:12.05 | joel_ | paco: yes |
| 14:12.15 | paco | joel_ thnx |
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| 14:13.52 | DerSchotte | theD3viL: Go look at the cups pages if you are using that |
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| 14:14.13 | gnube | cups yuck |
| 14:14.26 | mwelsh | what do people here use to rip cd's? |
| 14:14.40 | greycat | cdparanoia |
| 14:14.44 | Gathond | mwelsh: I think it was ripperX i used the last time |
| 14:14.50 | gnube | <flamebait>iTunes</flamebait> |
| 14:14.56 | greycat | if you want a front-end, abcde. but that still uses cdparanoia. |
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| 14:15.19 | Davey|Work | I'm having issues using apt-get, anyone care to see my errors? http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=3269 |
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| 14:15.37 | directhex|work | mwelsh, i like goobox, a lot |
| 14:15.41 | witless | yo bitches, when you gonna get netscape directory in the repository?! |
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| 14:15.54 | directhex|work | !php5 |
| 14:15.54 | dpkg | php5 is, like, at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system, or see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
| 14:15.57 | scarynetworkguy | Gathond: And ripperx calls what, by default at least, to rip a cd? |
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| 14:16.09 | tra1a1a | !fuck witless |
| 14:16.29 | Gathond | scarynetworkguy: probably cdparanoia, but I never touched that directly |
| 14:16.30 | jethro | !irritate me |
| 14:16.31 | dpkg | jethro: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd lol |
| 14:16.43 | theD3viL | DerSchotte, when i select CUPS its says to me an error |
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| 14:17.00 | carlos__ | #debian-es |
| 14:17.09 | Gathond | scarynetworkguy: more basically I used a CDrom driver, but that was not really what he meant either |
| 14:17.15 | jethro | !hitachi vibrator |
| 14:17.15 | dpkg | methinks hitachi vibrator is http://www.libida.com/content/shop/toys/item.php?view=toys&product_id=001037 |
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| 14:17.21 | jethro | dpkg: thanks |
| 14:17.21 | dpkg | sure thing, jethro |
| 14:17.22 | DerSchotte | theD3viL: then you're not using cup :) |
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| 14:17.53 | DerSchotte | I think I'll have to mail to the jigdo maintainer and have him add a log output file, I keep on forgeting to tee the output |
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| 14:18.03 | Davey|Work | directhex|work: dotdeb is down atm, care to tell me what it did say? |
| 14:18.12 | Guerin | DerSchotte: and i'm sure he'll implement that just for you |
| 14:18.12 | jethro | damn it, libida.com is forbidden by the corporate proxy.. then they wonder why covert channels exist |
| 14:18.28 | directhex|work | Davey|Work, i don't know. what the factoid SHOULD say is "don't run php5, it's highly experimental and will break your system" |
| 14:18.31 | greycat | jethro: mine too. I have it in my special list in my squid.conf. |
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| 14:18.47 | tra1a1a | DerSchotte: I thing you should really read the smart questions faq beforehand |
| 14:18.49 | DerSchotte | Guerin: If I ask him nicely he might :) |
| 14:19.06 | Guerin | DerSchotte: if you write the patch yourself he might :) |
| 14:19.16 | DerSchotte | Hmm, true |
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| 14:19.57 | tra1a1a | bah, my endless typos |
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| 14:21.05 | DerSchotte | tra1a1a: apt-get install type-what-i-meant ;) |
| 14:21.22 | scarynetworkguy | :unix philsophy |
| 14:21.25 | jethro | Guerin: looking at the stats for the channel, I m wondering how many hours a day you sleep, since you're in top5 most of the time |
| 14:21.30 | resiak | !unix philosophy |
| 14:21.30 | dpkg | unix philosophy is probably http://www.scarynetworkguy.net |
| 14:21.36 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Heh. |
| 14:21.38 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: (a) Learn to spell, (b) : is raseac ;-) |
| 14:21.50 | scarynetworkguy | DerSchotte: Greater tenet number 9. |
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| 14:22.07 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Yeah yeah yeah. I am th Dark Lord of IRC typos. |
| 14:22.51 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: You use the word "leverage". Shame be unto you. |
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| 14:23.16 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Bah on you. |
| 14:23.37 | resiak | scarynetworkguy: *shrug* At least you didn't verb it :-) |
| 14:24.08 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Heh. |
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| 14:24.29 | Davey|Work | directhex|work: hahahahahahahahahaha. sorry, thats funny |
| 14:24.33 | Jon | how can I use the function keys (i.e. F10) over a serial console? Alternatively, how else can I access aptitude's menu and disable incremental search (which is horrible, over a serial console) |
| 14:25.11 | DerSchotte | Jon: <esc>10 I think |
| 14:25.15 | Davey|Work | directhex|work: any system that can be broken by a simple apache DSO is flawed. |
| 14:25.29 | tra1a1a | Jon: <esc>+0 |
| 14:25.32 | Davey|Work | directhex|work: it can b0rke Apache, sure, but I've never had that happen in like almost 2 years. |
| 14:25.57 | omniv | hey folks. i'm having (a lot) of trouble getting mdadm to cooperate. it refuses to mount my root partition everytime i boot, saying my uuid's don't match |
| 14:26.17 | Jon | hm that isn't working, but it may be the serial multiplexer in the way, thankyou both |
| 14:26.28 | DerSchotte | omniv: lvm ? |
| 14:26.33 | exerd | hi i have some problems getting my new tft to display correctly. this is the technical info. 1024 x 768 dpi & vertikale Frequenz: 75 Hz. but the picture looks "blurry" i have this settings in my XF86-config file: Screen "Default Screen" Depth 24Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480". What could be wrong? |
| 14:26.34 | omniv | DerSchotte: nope. just raid1 |
| 14:26.39 | omniv | on two scsi disks |
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| 14:28.15 | DerSchotte | omniv: not 100% sure about this but can't you give boot=/dev/sda1 on the lilo promt , and forget about the RAID1 ? |
| 14:28.26 | omniv | yes, and that works |
| 14:28.53 | Tecky | May 26 09:50:18 Guardian postfix/smtpd[12377]: fatal: dict_open: unsupported dictionary type: dbm: Is the postfix-dbm package installed? --- there is no such package w/ debian is there ??? |
| 14:28.55 | omniv | (and it's grub) |
| 14:29.01 | paco | joel_ unfortunantely, i am not connected to the net right now |
| 14:29.03 | DerSchotte | then remove /dev/sdb1 from the raid |
| 14:29.06 | resiak | !info postfix-dbm |
| 14:29.11 | snail_ | scarynetworkguy: your website is lord of the broken links too |
| 14:29.17 | resiak | !find postfix-dbm |
| 14:29.21 | DerSchotte | and reinsert it so that it is recreated |
| 14:29.26 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'postfix-dbm' returned no results. |
| 14:29.29 | resiak | :-/ |
| 14:29.43 | Tecky | see |
| 14:29.44 | omniv | that wouldn't help though. i still wouldn't be able to boot the raid setup |
| 14:29.46 | Tecky | thats just shit =\ |
| 14:29.57 | omniv | i could remove one disk |
| 14:30.07 | scarynetworkguy | snail_: Yep. I'm a lazy bastard and have never gotten around to creating content. |
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| 14:30.20 | DerSchotte | If wou want to rebuild your whole raid then yes |
| 14:30.21 | scarynetworkguy | I will someday. |
| 14:30.36 | omniv | i can already boot the individual unraided disks fine |
| 14:30.54 | abrotman | Tecky: did you install postfix from source ? |
| 14:30.55 | omniv | so you're saying to just boot it as sda6 in grub / fstab? |
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| 14:30.59 | DerSchotte | raidhotadd maybe, after botting ? |
| 14:31.04 | omniv | and then try and configure the raid inside the running debian? |
| 14:31.10 | Tecky | abrotman: no from apt-get |
| 14:31.11 | DerSchotte | s/botting/booting/ |
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| 14:31.20 | omniv | but md0 wouldn't exist. there would be nothing to raidhotadd to |
| 14:31.28 | omniv | er, md3 really in my case |
| 14:31.38 | abrotman | Tecky: which debian? |
| 14:31.42 | DerSchotte | omniv: raidhotremove then :) |
| 14:31.47 | Tecky | testing |
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| 14:32.16 | stdout | damn |
| 14:32.23 | scarynetworkguy | !tell snail_ about bofh-magic |
| 14:32.23 | stdout | i was forced to reboot caouse of the monitor |
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| 14:32.36 | scarynetworkguy | snail_: You just might like that. :) |
| 14:32.46 | scarynetworkguy | As in get a laugh out of. |
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| 14:35.22 | deckrider | hi, is there a utility that can generate a nice debian changelog from svn? |
| 14:35.29 | abrotman | Tecky: what is it looking for again ? |
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| 14:37.12 | romulo | hi |
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| 14:38.34 | Space_NL | hi, logged in to my new server using ftp, but it wont allow me to make directories, so i guess its due to the user not being in the correct groups, how can i add a user to a group. |
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| 14:39.12 | greycat | Space_NL: man 5 passwd, man 5 group, get a unix book. |
| 14:39.18 | geekboi | Okay. I'm trying to go from 2.4.26 to 2.6.11.10 on "Woody". I'm following the steps at http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/, and it tells me to do mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.8.1 2.6.8.1 |
| 14:39.24 | greycat | and LEARN TO READ THE ERROR MESSAGES! |
| 14:39.30 | greycat | they will tell you WHY it failed. |
| 14:39.42 | greycat | geekboi: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
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| 14:40.01 | starscalling | bah |
| 14:40.01 | Space_NL | i know, i am useless |
| 14:40.11 | geekboi | greycat: Many thanks |
| 14:40.54 | foka | Hello! Is it just me? Or does anyone else fails to get apache2 running after a recent apt-get -u dist-upgrade? Thanks! |
| 14:41.15 | directhex|work | geekboi, don't use 2.6 on woody, if you think you need 2.6, you actually need sarge |
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| 14:42.04 | green_earz | Space_NL: this link will be help full to you > Debian Reference > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html |
| 14:42.15 | greycat | good, that's already in the factoid. |
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| 14:42.50 | Space_NL | green_earz: thnx! |
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| 14:43.02 | romulo | hiya, where pkg-config find the directories and stuff for each package in "--cflags" option? |
| 14:43.36 | green_earz | Space_NL: and have a look at using proftpd as yours ftp server |
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| 14:44.02 | greycat | ewwww, proftpd. |
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| 14:44.21 | greycat | damned thing doesn't even use standard getpw* calls to process groups. Fails horribly in an NIS setup. |
| 14:44.29 | S4nD3r_ | Which modem should I buy to work on my linux box ??? |
| 14:44.37 | S4nD3r_ | I have agere PCI, it doesnt work |
| 14:44.37 | greycat | S4nD3r_: any external RS-232 serial modem. |
| 14:44.46 | Space_NL | green_earz: yeah, i use proftpd, but used that on my old server too, never gotten me troubles .. but it does now .. wont let me create directories, even is i chmod the upper dir to 777 |
| 14:44.50 | DerSchotte | !fuck himself |
| 14:45.07 | DerSchotte | Sorry I couldn't resist :D |
| 14:46.02 | Space_NL | !fuck DerSchotte |
| 14:46.12 | DerSchotte | lol |
| 14:46.13 | S4nD3r_ | but its so expensive |
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| 14:47.15 | DerSchotte | S4nD3r_: telco line or ISDN ? |
| 14:47.31 | S4nD3r_ | telephone line |
| 14:48.09 | DerSchotte | The Xyxels are good |
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| 14:50.11 | yaccobb | Is is possible to install WINE and run windows apps without windows installed ? |
| 14:50.19 | jethro | yaccobb: yes |
| 14:50.23 | seldon | Yes. That's what wine does. |
| 14:50.25 | jethro | yaccobb: but ymmv |
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| 14:50.49 | yaccobb | jethro: and is there some debian package way to do that ? |
| 14:51.00 | jethro | !tell yaccobb -about search |
| 14:51.01 | ralf | yaccobb: yes |
| 14:51.17 | seldon | apt-get install wine |
| 14:51.29 | jethro | let him learn how to search once for all ffs |
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| 14:51.33 | ralf | apt-cache search job, and you will look for job |
| 14:51.35 | dings | Can I burn with cdrecord on a 2.6 kernel with a ide device? |
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| 14:51.41 | jethro | otherwise he'll just keep on asking the same again and again.. |
| 14:51.41 | greycat | dings: yes. |
| 14:51.51 | yaccobb | again i ask stpid questions... sorry. |
| 14:51.57 | ralf | dings: yes, try cdrecord -help |
| 14:51.57 | dings | greycat: ide-scsi? |
| 14:52.00 | greycat | dings: no. |
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| 14:52.09 | ralf | no, use ide-cd |
| 14:52.09 | jethro | yaccobb: you're just provided useless as in one shot answers |
| 14:52.18 | greycat | ide-scsi is horribly broken on 2.6. |
| 14:52.22 | jethro | yaccobb: it doesn't help you in the process of learning |
| 14:52.30 | seldon | cdrecord dev=ATA:x,y,z iirc |
| 14:52.42 | pinks | Hola - what's the cl command which will tell me the amount of hdd space a folder and it's contents are using? |
| 14:52.43 | cahoot | seldon: no |
| 14:52.43 | ralf | sean_micken: dev=/dev/hdX |
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| 14:52.47 | ralf | oops |
| 14:52.50 | ralf | *seldon |
| 14:53.12 | jethro | pinks: du , man du |
| 14:53.13 | p2-mate | tarzeau: hmm, should work. at least mine works |
| 14:53.14 | dings | ralf: greycat: with ide-cd probed cdrecord -scanbus gives no targets |
| 14:53.23 | pinks | cheers jethro :-) |
| 14:53.27 | geekboi | directhex|work: Yeah, I just did apt-get dist-upgrade after changing testing to sarge in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:53.28 | jethro | !tell pinks -about folder |
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| 14:53.34 | ralf | digibox: can you read a cd? |
| 14:53.36 | greycat | !wikifaq dings UseCdBurner |
| 14:53.36 | tarzeau | p2-mate: you installed by floppy, cd, or netboot? |
| 14:53.37 | dpkg | dings: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseCdBurner or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:53.40 | cahoot | dings: add dev=ATAPI to scanbu |
| 14:53.45 | tarzeau | p2-mate: mine is a workgroup server 7350 |
| 14:53.55 | directhex|work | geekboi, so why did you not just install a debian kernel image? |
| 14:53.58 | dings | cahoot: greycat thanks |
| 14:53.59 | greycat | cahoot: ATA, not ATAPI. |
| 14:54.00 | tarzeau | p2-mate: it stopped on vmlinuz-coff.initrd image |
| 14:54.01 | p2-mate | tarzeau: netboot probably. mine is a 7200. it's ages ago I installed it |
| 14:54.14 | cahoot | greycat: sorry - ATAPI |
| 14:54.16 | tarzeau | p2-mate: it started transfering and stopped with a DEFAULT CATCH! |
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| 14:54.27 | geekboi | directhex|work: I didn't know I needed to go to sarge before I went to the trouble of downloading the kernel source and compiling it |
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| 14:54.59 | p2-mate | tarzeau: ah. image too large probably :( |
| 14:54.59 | greycat | geekboi: you don't need to build kernels at all. |
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| 14:55.10 | tarzeau | p2-mate: there's no smaller images at !d-i |
| 14:55.17 | DerSchotte | omniv: have you got your RAID fixed now ? |
| 14:55.17 | yaccobb | jethro: ok. When i need download big non-torrent file with resumes, what is the best way ? |
| 14:55.19 | p2-mate | tarzeau: I didn't use d-i |
| 14:55.20 | tarzeau | p2-mate: you built your own? |
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| 14:55.30 | tarzeau | p2-mate: now i get somewhere. can i have yours? |
| 14:55.32 | jethro | yaccobb: how is that debian related? |
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| 14:55.45 | p2-mate | tarzeau: you can use fai to install |
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| 14:55.55 | directhex|work | geekboi, woody was released in 2001, it predates the very idea of 2.6 kernels |
| 14:55.57 | p2-mate | tarzeau: ask on the fai list |
| 14:55.59 | tarzeau | p2-mate: fai is not just i386 and sparc? |
| 14:56.01 | jethro | yaccobb: I m not an autoritative source of answers for such topics, as I don't use torrents |
| 14:56.02 | p2-mate | tarzeau: no |
| 14:56.03 | amorphix | whats evolution |
| 14:56.06 | p2-mate | tarzeau: there is fai_ooc |
| 14:56.08 | p2-mate | tarzeau: there is fai_ppc |
| 14:56.22 | amorphix | !tell amorphix evolution |
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| 14:56.36 | tarzeau | p2-mate: i see, oh well, it's just one mac. i don't feel like checking fai for it now |
| 14:56.39 | jethro | amorphix: tell <foo> about <bar>; that's how it works |
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| 14:56.45 | DerSchotte | amorphix: GNOME file explorer |
| 14:56.47 | amorphix | thanx |
| 14:56.55 | amorphix | oh |
| 14:57.01 | DerSchotte | amorphix: and a lot more :) |
| 14:57.05 | amorphix | :) |
| 14:57.14 | amorphix | i dont use gnome |
| 14:57.19 | tarzeau | p2-mate: if that's the homepage, http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ and i can't find "ppc" . it sucks |
| 14:57.28 | directhex|work | evolution is an Outlook clone |
| 14:57.35 | amorphix | wow |
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| 14:57.42 | yaccobb | jethro: I am used to more... chat channels. Ok, debian things only. |
| 14:57.44 | jethro | DerSchotte: evolution ain't a file explorer, it's an overbloated MUA |
| 14:57.51 | geekboi | grey/direc: Yeah. I just finished apt-get dist-upgrade. Is there a good howto or checklist I can look at to make sure I've got all my bases covered? |
| 14:57.55 | tarzeau | directhex|work: no it's not |
| 14:57.59 | amorphix | can it run under kde? |
| 14:57.59 | tarzeau | directhex|work: and both sucks |
| 14:58.02 | Ronin | jethro: over bloated? well compared to mutt i guess thats correct |
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| 14:58.32 | DerSchotte | the GNOME equiv of Outlook ? |
| 14:58.34 | directhex|work | amorphix, erm... yes, as with all x11 apps. |
| 14:58.37 | omniv | DerSchotte: not yet. i googled some more, and realized what my problem is. mdadm puts the boot info in the initrd |
| 14:58.39 | tarzeau | DerSchotte: doesn't exist |
| 14:58.39 | amorphix | cool |
| 14:58.51 | omniv | so i need to recreate the initrd file. i'm working on that now |
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| 14:58.52 | directhex|work | amorphix, it's GTK2-based though, and relies on a lot of gnome libraries |
| 14:58.58 | jethro | Ronin: my opinion on how good at being a mua evolution is was pointless. the only part that matter is that it ain't a file manager/explorer |
| 14:59.06 | amorphix | oh so u would need gnome |
| 14:59.07 | Ronin | very true |
| 14:59.12 | DerSchotte | omniv: what lilo version do you have ? |
| 14:59.12 | geekboi | I have no access to this server other than via ssh, so, if it won't reboot, my only recourse is to have tech support at the hosting company re-image the machine |
| 14:59.25 | directhex|work | amorphix, no, you would need to apt-get install evolution, which would pull in a number of gnome libraries |
| 14:59.36 | amorphix | ok understood |
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| 14:59.44 | omniv | i'm using grub. not sure which version |
| 14:59.55 | greycat | !version |
| 14:59.56 | dpkg | somebody said version was Debian = Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r5 "Woody" | dpkg = blootbot |
| 15:00.00 | greycat | bah. |
| 15:00.11 | DerSchotte | ok, I use lilo, so I can't help there, sorry |
| 15:00.16 | jethro | omniv: dpkg -l grub can tell you the version |
| 15:00.18 | prasad | # flood |
| 15:00.29 | jethro | omniv: if your system is running of course |
| 15:00.40 | greycat | dpkg, no, version is <reply> Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 15:00.41 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 15:00.51 | prahal | jethro: evolution is a groupware app not a mua (though i miss the "dashboard" for v1 for this use) also if you know a lighter gui mua than the mail part of evolution (except kmail ) please share |
| 15:01.18 | prahal | geekboi: wait a sec |
| 15:01.31 | jethro | prahal: I alredy apologized for giving my 2 cents on evolution, no need to go on with the MUA war |
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| 15:02.13 | geekboi | prahal: I've got all the time in the world :) |
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| 15:03.47 | prahal | jethro: i am really looking for a lighter gui (i use mutt too but i am looking for something in between) , sylpeed looked good but had few annoying bugs (not that evo don't :). |
| 15:04.00 | jethro | sylpheed-claws was ok when I was using it |
| 15:04.06 | DerSchotte | omniv: did you just try rebuilding the raid and "reinitialising" grub, the way I would with lilo (i.e. just callit) ? |
| 15:04.14 | jethro | prahal: but I switched to mutt a year and a half ago, and I m addicted now |
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| 15:06.07 | prahal | geekboi: if you use lilo http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/70 (though i find the article would need a rewrite , it does not explain everything : i collected links about this feature on : http://localhost/~prahal/know/bk2site/Admin/SystemManagment/index.html , the one on "reboot panic" from lkml |
| 15:06.09 | amorphix | im determined to get my Wacom graphics tablet working |
| 15:06.34 | jethro | prahal: links to localhost aren't of any use :) |
| 15:06.40 | geekboi | prahal: I think you need to fix the localhost link :) |
| 15:06.40 | amorphix | i just found a wacom-tools package on Debian which contains wacdump which is a utility to test the graphics tablet in a shell |
| 15:06.52 | amorphix | however im getting an error: 17:05:05.154 ERROR: Failed to open /dev/ttys0: Input/output error |
| 15:07.03 | prahal | jethro: geee :) prahal.darktech.org (sorry the search tool is only localhost :P ) |
| 15:07.05 | jethro | prahal: unless one runs a website with the same content as yours :p |
| 15:07.12 | amorphix | DerSchotte u have one? |
| 15:07.16 | omniv | the issue is mdadm doesn't like my uuid, which you can't set in the config file but rather the initrd. grub or lilo has little or nothing to do with it. i'm fooling with a livecd now to recreate the initrd |
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| 15:07.42 | LinuxNIT | where is the kernel located? |
| 15:07.46 | DerSchotte | I don't have one of the "new" USB ones if that's what you mean |
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| 15:07.59 | amorphix | DerSchotte: me either |
| 15:08.02 | jethro | LinuxNIT: /boot usually, and there's a symlink in / pointing to /boot/ entries |
| 15:08.03 | shingouz | amorphix: check what the group of the pad is and add yourself to the same group, logout and login. try the utilities again |
| 15:08.12 | amorphix | DerSchotte: did you manage to get yours working at all in Linux? |
| 15:08.15 | directhex|work | LinuxNIT, the core kernel in /boot, modules in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 15:08.17 | DerSchotte | Problem with X and Wacom then ? |
| 15:08.24 | shingouz | amorphix: and please type the word 'you' instead of 'u', it is annoying |
| 15:08.28 | amorphix | shingouz: thanx! i will try it |
| 15:08.29 | starscalling | goes to work |
| 15:08.32 | LinuxNIT | whats it called? |
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| 15:08.52 | jethro | LinuxNIT: the symlink is vmlinuz usually |
| 15:09.01 | LinuxNIT | hm ok |
| 15:09.02 | greycat | LinuxNIT: try not to be *quite* so retarded. Just fucking *look*. You can't miss it. |
| 15:09.03 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
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| 15:09.19 | greycat | jethro: you'd better wash that spoon before you feed any more newbies with it. |
| 15:09.20 | LinuxNIT | fuck off |
| 15:09.27 | prahal | jethro: well i am now addicted to ical ... so bound to use evolution even for emails (i am looking for a way a kind of light calendar local server and building a local imap so i could switch client without duplicating 3G of mails and such problems) |
| 15:09.38 | amorphix | shingouz: what is the "pad" ? |
| 15:09.49 | shingouz | tha wacom |
| 15:09.51 | jethro | greycat: I was wondering if this guy was a troll or not, as I was reading again |
| 15:09.53 | amorphix | DerSchotte: yeah |
| 15:09.54 | greycat | I'm not *trying* to be diplomatic. I'm trying to get people to *learn*. |
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| 15:10.10 | abrotman | greycat: horror! |
| 15:10.23 | shingouz | diplomatic? us? |
| 15:10.32 | amorphix | i have no clue how to check what group the pad is in or even where it is |
| 15:10.32 | DerSchotte | *teaching |
| 15:10.33 | greycat | if you want diplomatic warm fuzzy crap, go read Ubuntu's home page. |
| 15:10.36 | snail_ | greycat: learning has a pre-condition of the brain being turned om, that's the problem |
| 15:10.56 | abrotman | non-existant |
| 15:11.12 | jethro | abrotman: some actually develop skills, I m a living proof |
| 15:11.40 | prahal | or mybe switch to mh for mail storage though i have not understood everything about it yet (it looks like it feet as a pseudo imap server, managing conflict in client access , but i cannot swear) |
| 15:11.40 | LinuxNIT | for you info GREYCAT I HAD looked but what i was trying to do wasnt working right so i came here to chek and make sure i had the right file |
| 15:11.40 | abrotman | directhex|work: isn't it /lib/modules/kernel-`uname -r` ? |
| 15:11.40 | abrotman | jethro: btw .. guess what happened to the wonky samba server |
| 15:11.41 | greycat | abrotman: noe. |
| 15:11.43 | greycat | nope* |
| 15:11.47 | jethro | LinuxNIT: on the other hand, you can also search by yourself, and start with google |
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| 15:11.51 | jethro | abrotman: you trashed it? |
| 15:11.51 | shingouz | amorphix: did you try the utilities as root? |
| 15:11.56 | amorphix | yes |
| 15:11.59 | abrotman | !win greycat |
| 15:11.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 15:12.09 | directhex|work | abrotman, whatever |
| 15:12.20 | abrotman | directhex|work: you were right |
| 15:12.27 | abrotman | jethro: ever tried cpuburn ? |
| 15:12.29 | jethro | geez, greycat has like millions of AOL cds now |
| 15:12.51 | jethro | abrotman: I had a CPU burn once, but I m not sure it's what you asked |
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| 15:13.02 | shingouz | he is going to build Schloss Greycat out of them ;) |
| 15:13.04 | TNKS | hello all. I, for the most part, am for udev. However, for my USB mouse, I'm finding that I'd really like to have a permanent device block. Is there a way to set that up that doesn't conflict with udev? |
| 15:13.04 | DerSchotte | greycat has his own garage just for CDs :) |
| 15:13.04 | amorphix | damn i feel such a fool |
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| 15:13.08 | jethro | stupid me forgot to remove the plastic thing from the cooler before sticking it to the CPU |
| 15:13.18 | abrotman | jethro: it's a package .. and it says "Warning .. this may destroy your system" ... took it about 20-30 seconds to cook the machine :) |
| 15:13.20 | amorphix | i typed a small s instead of a cap S for ttyS0 |
| 15:13.33 | shingouz | amorphix: there you go |
| 15:13.48 | jethro | abrotman: it's not supposed to fuck your hardware is it? |
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| 15:14.02 | DerSchotte | amorphix: Well it's fixed and you're happy, that's what counts :) |
| 15:14.18 | shingouz | amorphix: does the wacom work now? |
| 15:14.19 | abrotman | jethro: nope .. first time i've ever had it do that to a system .. so i guess the hardware was flaky |
| 15:14.30 | gfork | hey, does anyone here know anything about deep freeze? |
| 15:14.42 | shingouz | yea, it is cold |
| 15:14.46 | greycat | !anyone know |
| 15:14.46 | jethro | greycat: yes, but anyone is on /away at the moment |
| 15:14.46 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 15:14.46 | abrotman | gfork: they can be bought at sears |
| 15:14.51 | jethro | fdamn |
| 15:14.54 | gfork | woot |
| 15:15.02 | jethro | I ll just stop stupid jokes and tab completion mistakes |
| 15:15.08 | shingouz | gfork: welcome to #debian ;) |
| 15:15.08 | DerSchotte | amorphix: Just wait 'til you start GIMP and get that sorted too (especially the eraser) :) |
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| 15:15.16 | jethro | greycat: my bad |
| 15:15.17 | gfork | thanks |
| 15:15.20 | amorphix | shingouz: i dont think so, it seems to be detected but nothing happens, i was expecting some output or something when i use the pad |
| 15:15.31 | prahal | TNKS: daoesn't it already bound to /dev/input/mice ? |
| 15:15.34 | shingouz | amorphix: you in CLI now? |
| 15:15.40 | abrotman | gfork: what about it ? |
| 15:15.52 | amorphix | shingouz: yes |
| 15:15.59 | CrAzYWolF | one thing in Debian the bar that is always down by default that when you minize something it gets stored there how do i add that bar again? |
| 15:16.04 | gfork | nvm ill just try and firewire a hd |
| 15:16.10 | DerSchotte | amorphix: have you added the pointer to XFree config ? |
| 15:16.13 | jethro | !confuse CrAzYWolF |
| 15:16.14 | dpkg | No, how are your weasel today, CrAzYWolF? breeches of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra anchovies |
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| 15:16.16 | amorphix | no |
| 15:16.26 | DerSchotte | Then no wonder :) |
| 15:16.28 | shingouz | amorphix: that is one problem. unless you have some pointer there (gpm) you will not see anytyhing happening |
| 15:16.29 | CrAzYWolF | heh |
| 15:16.31 | amorphix | the howto said not to |
| 15:16.35 | greycat | Debian doesn't have a "bar". Certainly not by default. |
| 15:16.38 | prahal | TNKS: if you have multiple mice, you can bound them to a known name via udev "rules", create a /etc/udev/rules.d/local.rules with your own ones |
| 15:16.40 | TNKS | prahal, I know where you're going. The only problem is that I'm doing something of a hack to get my laptop's touchpoint working, so I filter it's output through a daemon to get center-button scrolling. |
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| 15:16.55 | greycat | YOUR window manager may have one. Or YOUR desktop environment may have one (called a "panel"). |
| 15:16.56 | amorphix | wacdump doesnt need it |
| 15:16.58 | TNKS | which unfortunately, kind of breaks /dev/input/mice. |
| 15:17.02 | FarrisG | is there an easy way to cat a list of users in a particular group so I can use awk to script some directory creation based on that list of users? |
| 15:17.06 | CrAzYWolF | panel sorry |
| 15:17.06 | greycat | But since you didn't SAY what DE or WM you use, how do we konw? |
| 15:17.13 | DerSchotte | amorphix: ok, my bad then |
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| 15:17.32 | abrotman | FarrisG: man groups say anything ? |
| 15:17.41 | stouset | Wow. GNOME does something really neat, as of 2.10, that I hadn't noticed. |
| 15:17.44 | DerSchotte | amorphix: did you restart ? |
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| 15:17.59 | stouset | If you're typing in a window, new Windows won't ever take focus. |
| 15:17.59 | abrotman | stouset: sends hot girls to your place ? |
| 15:18.01 | TNKS | prahal, I've read about this, but I didn't find in the udev documentation exactly how to do this. |
| 15:18.01 | DerSchotte | amorphix: ** did you restart X ? |
| 15:18.06 | stouset | No, better! |
| 15:18.12 | TNKS | prahal, do you have a sample line? |
| 15:18.21 | CrAzYWolF | heh never mind |
| 15:18.23 | stouset | It's subtle, I almost didn't even notice it. |
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| 15:18.40 | prahal | TNKS: BUS="usb", KERNEL="ttyUSB*", SYSFS{product}="USB Serial Adaptor", SYMLINK="pilot" |
| 15:18.55 | amorphix | DerSchotte: you dont restart |
| 15:19.03 | amorphix | you're taking the piss |
| 15:19.11 | paco | has anyone here ever tried out VMware workstation? |
| 15:19.15 | FarrisG | abrotman: So far as man tells me, groups just tells you what groups you're in |
| 15:19.21 | FarrisG | or a particular user |
| 15:19.21 | directhex|work | paco, yes. |
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| 15:19.30 | shingouz | amorphix: if you did some configuration on X you need to restart X |
| 15:19.35 | jethro | FarrisG: look at /etc/groups |
| 15:19.39 | amorphix | no way i havent touched X |
| 15:19.40 | abrotman | FarrisG: cat /etc/groups | grep <group> ? |
| 15:19.43 | prahal | TNKS: /usr/share/doc/udev/examples/udev.rules.examples and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 15:19.44 | TNKS | prahal, I guess I'm trying to deal also with one more problem, the hotplugging of a mouse into X. X needs the file to exist even if the mouse isn't plugged in (or rather it needs the mouse plugged in). |
| 15:19.48 | greycat | jethro: /etc/group |
| 15:19.48 | abrotman | or .. UUOC for me! |
| 15:19.51 | greycat | abrotman: /etc/group |
| 15:19.53 | amorphix | ive just installed wacdump a shell utility |
| 15:19.54 | paco | directhex, does it work in debian? |
| 15:19.55 | DerSchotte | Well I'm not, but I was thinking of X seeing the devices, not a PC restart but an X zapp |
| 15:19.56 | greycat | man 5 group |
| 15:20.00 | jethro | FarrisG: look at /etc/group :) |
| 15:20.02 | shingouz | amorphix: k |
| 15:20.06 | FarrisG | yeah, that's what I was gonna do. I was just wondering if I wasn't reinventing the week here :) |
| 15:20.11 | greycat | see also man getent |
| 15:20.13 | abrotman | greycat: yes .. my filenames are messed up today :) |
| 15:20.14 | TNKS | prahal, if I'm following your udev rule correctly, I think that doesn't make the block file permanent. |
| 15:20.18 | jethro | getent is a linuxism |
| 15:20.23 | jethro | shouldn't even exist |
| 15:20.24 | directhex|work | paco, if you use the .tgz then yes. |
| 15:20.27 | amorphix | lets see whats supposed to happen |
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| 15:20.40 | paco | directhex, i use the .gz file |
| 15:20.40 | greycat | jethro: you're in #debian now. Sssh. |
| 15:20.42 | directhex|work | paco, vmware workstation 5 works fine for me on amd64 debian and i386 debian |
| 15:20.44 | jethro | :) |
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| 15:21.19 | prahal | TNKS: i think X not only need the device fie to exists ut a real mouse behind ... |
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| 15:22.06 | TNKS | prahal, you might be right. . . do you know any work-around? |
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| 15:22.30 | TNKS | prahal, I guess that's what /dev/input/mice was intended to solve. |
| 15:22.41 | paco | directhex, i am stuck on the install, where it requests that i specify the location of the directory of the c header files that match the runnung kernel. |
| 15:23.04 | amorphix | I installed jpilot and setup serial port S0 for my Palm, would this be likely to stop me using Wacdump in a shell? |
| 15:23.12 | DerSchotte | paco: ls /usr/src |
| 15:23.22 | greycat | paco: kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 15:23.24 | prahal | TNKS: not really /dev/input/mice is a "multiplexer" thus it helps if you have more than a mouse, not 0 |
| 15:23.28 | amorphix | maybe i cant share the port? |
| 15:23.48 | jethro | amorphix: maybe you can just try and tell us |
| 15:23.55 | amorphix | i dunno |
| 15:24.18 | jethro | amorphix: you should be able to try |
| 15:24.33 | amorphix | in Windows if you setup a Palm/PDA on a serial port you cant use that port for something like a pointing device |
| 15:24.54 | amorphix | im getting weird result in wacdump, no output from my pad |
| 15:25.03 | amorphix | but it seems to be detected |
| 15:25.08 | prahal | TNKS: maybe ... i use gpm and tell X to use /dev/gpmdata thus i can remove the mouse while X is running and plug another one (the new mouse does not works), there for an "unknown" reason restarting gpm make it works in X |
| 15:25.11 | amorphix | maybe the driver is bad |
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| 15:25.24 | jethro | amorphix: then obviously you need different settings, depending on which device is plugged |
| 15:25.26 | shingouz | amorphix: if the jpilot runs at this very moment it is taking up the serial |
| 15:26.01 | prahal | TNKS: so you could have two gpm config for each mouse, tell X to use gpmdata, then switch the mouse and the gpm config and restart gpm ... |
| 15:26.06 | amorphix | no the jpilot isnt running but i was wondering if its laid claim to the port or something resident is loaded |
| 15:26.12 | paco | greycat, it says command not found |
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| 15:26.21 | greycat | *whimper* |
| 15:26.22 | shingouz | amorphix: it shouldnt |
| 15:26.22 | usuario | olaaaaaa |
| 15:26.25 | amorphix | ok |
| 15:26.25 | DerSchotte | amorphix: how can you have more than 1 device on a serial port ? |
| 15:26.26 | greycat | !es |
| 15:26.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:26.33 | jethro | paco: it ain't a command, it's a package name |
| 15:26.36 | usuario | k ablais en ingles |
| 15:26.36 | usuario | ? |
| 15:26.40 | prahal | TNKS: though i am not that confident i understood what s your setup |
| 15:26.41 | amorphix | DerSchotte: i unplugged the Palm of course |
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| 15:26.44 | greycat | especially spanish speakers who can't even spell "hola" or "que" |
| 15:26.47 | shingouz | !tell usuario about es |
| 15:27.06 | DerSchotte | amorphix: ok, then maybe palm has it locked |
| 15:27.08 | amorphix | ive decided not to use the Palm anymore |
| 15:27.24 | amorphix | i think its a possibility but these guys says its unlikely |
| 15:27.31 | DerSchotte | amorphix: Really ? I love my Palm Vx |
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| 15:27.39 | paco | greycat, i know, but you'd think that would spit out the location of my headers |
| 15:27.40 | daft | How can I burn a que/bin file |
| 15:27.45 | amorphix | maybe the driver is wrong, ive noticed theres alot of stuff on the howto concerning re-building drivers for some setups |
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| 15:27.49 | greycat | paco: I utterly *refuse* to breast-feed you every. single. fucking. command. and. argument. |
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| 15:28.09 | greycat | paco: you AIN'T GOT NO FUCKING HEADERS YET BECAUSE YOU DID NOT INSTALL THE PACKAGE THAT I JUST NAMED FOR YOU. |
| 15:28.09 | paco | greycat: understood |
| 15:28.28 | amorphix | DerSchotte: ahh yours is alot newer than mine, i have a IIIx and find it a bit limited.. i also have a Cassiopeia E-15 which i like better but it runs WinCE so cant talk to Linux |
| 15:28.34 | tarzeau | daft: using cdrdao? |
| 15:28.55 | tarzeau | daft: example http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/.openstep.txt |
| 15:29.05 | DerSchotte | amorphix: I have an OLD, very OLD Newton too :D |
| 15:29.10 | amorphix | hehe |
| 15:29.14 | amorphix | i collect old PDAs |
| 15:29.14 | greycat | now, one could argue that a newbie might not be able to grasp, intuitively, that kernel-headers-$(uname -r) is a PACKAGE name, and that therefore, they might be confused about it. Possibly. In theory. Maybe. If they're *really* dense. |
| 15:29.16 | TNKS | prahal, this sounds interesting. Here's my setpup. Thinkpad with a trackpoint and a touchpad. I found a hack that allows me to scroll by holding the center-button down and moving the trackpoint (a useful feature supported by Windows). This hack basically routes the filtered signal to a simple FIFO pipe. Therefore, /dev/input/mice has the "dirty" old signal. |
| 15:29.46 | shingouz | amorphix: IBM Workpad (Palm III). eat your heart out :p |
| 15:29.48 | tarzeau | amorphix: do they run linux? |
| 15:29.51 | greycat | Hmm, first google hit on kernel-headers-$(uname -r) is lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/10/msg05064.html and talks about " Re: nvidia drivers & kernel headers". |
| 15:29.53 | amorphix | :D |
| 15:29.55 | greycat | Could that possibly be relevant? |
| 15:30.01 | greycat | Maybe just a little? Somewhat? |
| 15:30.05 | TNKS | prahal, on occasion (limited, tough), I'd like to plug in a mouse for some GUI intensive apps. Ideally, I'd like to not have to reset X. |
| 15:30.08 | greycat | NOOO!!! Couldn't be! That would be too *obvious*! |
| 15:30.10 | tarzeau | greycat: and it's not even weekend yet |
| 15:30.12 | DerSchotte | Hmm, I have a Paml III lying about too |
| 15:30.18 | amorphix | tarzeau: nah |
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| 15:30.26 | aptiko | How can I regenerate a package's configuration files? I try apt-get install --reinstall sysklogd in order to get a fresh /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd, but no. |
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| 15:30.34 | shingouz | i hate to think what sunday will look like |
| 15:30.36 | amorphix | I wish the Palm III had IR syncing |
| 15:30.48 | amorphix | i dunno why they would not put that feature in |
| 15:30.50 | jetscreamer | --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 15:30.53 | greycat | shingouz: I'm planning to *not* be here when sarge releases and /. announces it. |
| 15:30.55 | WillR | anyone know of a good lightweight program that has an EXCEL and MSWORD equivelent that will run on debian and xfce ? |
| 15:31.05 | shingouz | greycat: good idea |
| 15:31.17 | tarzeau | is there no read-only irc mode? |
| 15:31.17 | shingouz | otoh, it might be fun, just add some b33r and popcorn |
| 15:31.30 | tarzeau | WillR: sc |
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| 15:31.34 | jetscreamer | WillR: gnumeric and abiword, koffice, open office |
| 15:31.34 | jethro | it's called +m |
| 15:31.35 | tarzeau | WillR: and cat |
| 15:31.40 | jetscreamer | 3 possibilities |
| 15:31.43 | greycat | maybe I'll join #openbsd that day. |
| 15:31.47 | paco | greycat: please note that i am really really trying here...i am a converted win32 fan, and my mind is still stuck in ms world |
| 15:31.53 | tarzeau | greycat: and a few days later? |
| 15:31.56 | jetscreamer | i'll /join #gentoo |
| 15:32.01 | WillR | thank you |
| 15:32.05 | greycat | jetscreamer: that's its own punishment. |
| 15:32.08 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: #UBUNTO! |
| 15:32.09 | WillR | open office was huge last time itried to install that |
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| 15:32.26 | greycat | jethro: won't happen. |
| 15:32.27 | jetscreamer | WillR: my personal choice is abiword and gnumeric |
| 15:32.37 | amorphix | kspread |
| 15:32.37 | tarzeau | there is also #debian_ |
| 15:32.45 | jethro | greycat: sadly it won't :/ |
| 15:32.48 | amorphix | excel clone eh |
| 15:33.26 | amorphix | i have an excel clone on my WinCE 2.11 pda |
| 15:33.30 | jetscreamer | i have koffice installed but never used it, and i hate oo |
| 15:33.33 | jethro | let's sabotage /. then, they barely have news, which don't matter at all. |
| 15:33.48 | jetscreamer | aha@jethro |
| 15:33.51 | DerSchotte | On the subject of BSD, I had to help a friend set up tomcat on his BSD machine. He was able to "join" me in my SSH, is that using "screen" ? |
| 15:34.01 | tarzeau | WillR: it won't get smaller |
| 15:34.02 | greycat | ask him. |
| 15:34.05 | jethro | DerSchotte: yes, man screen /-x |
| 15:34.16 | jethro | DerSchotte: could be watch as well |
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| 15:34.40 | DerSchotte | k, time to investigate screen/watch on deb then :) |
| 15:34.48 | WillR | (jetscreamer): gnumeric looks good |
| 15:34.55 | WillR | (tarzeau): im aware |
| 15:34.55 | jethro | watch doesn't exist on debian, at least not the very same watch freebsd has |
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| 15:35.05 | jethro | DerSchotte: you're left alone with screen there |
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| 15:35.24 | greycat | !find bin/watch$ sarge |
| 15:35.26 | DerSchotte | amorphix: XP loses hands down :) |
| 15:35.29 | amorphix | if i can get all my hardware to run as smoothly as it does in XP i'll be sorted, but i doubt that day will come soon |
| 15:35.32 | jethro | greycat: it's a different thing |
| 15:35.39 | tarzeau | jethro: you'd like gnu/kfreebsd? |
| 15:35.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/watch' (1): (/usr/bin/watch) in base/procps. |
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| 15:35.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: and you? |
| 15:35.46 | jetscreamer | man, i need a new battery for my computer and for my car... now that's coincidence... |
| 15:35.56 | jethro | tarzeau: what would be the point? have shitty manpages on top of a less messy kernel? :) |
| 15:35.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: would i like fbsd ? |
| 15:36.04 | greycat | pegasus:~$ man watch |
| 15:36.04 | greycat | man: no entry for watch in the manual. |
| 15:36.08 | greycat | ^^ obsd 3.7 |
| 15:36.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah, add yourself: http://wiki.debian.net/?kfreebsdgnu |
| 15:36.25 | tarzeau | jethro: yes! add yourself: http://wiki.debian.net/?kfreebsdgnu |
| 15:36.30 | amorphix | DerSchotte: ok so the OS and software is a pile of pants, but it works! i can use my USB canon powershot and pix outta my camera quickly and use IR to my pda, my tablet pad works etc |
| 15:36.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: but why ? |
| 15:36.40 | DerSchotte | amorphix: linux vs. windows, the question is simple, WHO is in control ;) |
| 15:36.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: so it can go into official debian |
| 15:36.47 | amorphix | yes |
| 15:36.52 | jethro | greycat: on freebsd : watch -- snoop on another tty line |
| 15:36.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: i thought it was .. and i'm rooting for amd64 first :) |
| 15:36.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: and be much better (like you fix the shitty manual pages :) |
| 15:37.01 | greycat | jethro: not in the base system apparently. |
| 15:37.01 | jethro | greycat: I guess linux doesn't have that because of RMS :) |
| 15:37.13 | amorphix | i love X since i switched to Linux as a desktop OS, but i just find it liking having teeth pulled when it comes to setting up hardware |
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| 15:37.18 | amorphix | should an OS bring pain? |
| 15:37.20 | amorphix | :P |
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| 15:37.33 | jethro | greycat: it's in /usr/sbin, looks like base to me |
| 15:37.37 | greycat | jethro: you seem to be the only one of us who *does* have this mythical program. |
| 15:37.38 | asg | amorphix: for some, there is pleasure in pain |
| 15:37.43 | amorphix | i guess |
| 15:37.44 | greycat | ls: /usr/sbin/watch: No such file or directory |
| 15:37.48 | DerSchotte | amorphix: Yes, it takes a bit of work getting linux to do what you want, but after that you'll never want to go back. |
| 15:37.51 | jethro | greycat: it's on freebsd not openbsd |
| 15:37.56 | greycat | oh. |
| 15:37.57 | shingouz | amorphix: unusual hardware makes for some unusual pains, that is true |
| 15:38.01 | jethro | 17:36:52 jethro | greycat: on freebsd : watch -- snoop on another tty line |
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| 15:38.17 | amorphix | i think it will be worth the investment in time its not like i buy new hardware regularly anyways |
| 15:38.32 | jethro | greycat: openbsd users don't need to snoop at each other I guess or have another tool for that |
| 15:38.45 | DerSchotte | most definately, I only have windows for games |
| 15:38.51 | greycat | FreeBSD is the Big Brother distro! </troll> |
| 15:38.59 | jetscreamer | i only have windows for .net |
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| 15:39.01 | shingouz | amorphix: not to mention that getting odd hardware to work will get easier over time. the drivers will be better and you learn to make them work as you go |
| 15:39.08 | jethro | that's why RMS use to run it on his lappy. for he felt guilty for the wheel issue |
| 15:39.22 | gabrod24 | good morning to all people |
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| 15:39.31 | Shay | hi gabrod24 |
| 15:39.42 | amorphix | i guess the linux driver guys do their best but theres so much hardware out there they cant support everything in every dist |
| 15:39.56 | K_Dallas | Good evening gabrod24 (Dracula's accent:) |
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| 15:40.02 | prahal | TNKS: do you have a url for the hack ? |
| 15:40.04 | shingouz | amorphix: it is not a distro thing, it is a kernel thing |
| 15:40.06 | jethro | amorphix: linux has more hardware supported than most of the other opensource operating systems |
| 15:40.08 | DerSchotte | jetscreamer: I have windows and STILL don't have .net :) (mono project anyone?) |
| 15:40.09 | amorphix | manufacturers should make linux drivers |
| 15:40.10 | gabrod24 | Shay: i am a latin man |
| 15:40.12 | thayboiMu | hey can someone send me your default /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/accept_redirects? |
| 15:40.20 | gabrod24 | sorry for my english |
| 15:40.21 | thayboiMu | is it 0 in there? |
| 15:40.22 | jetscreamer | it's kinda like there needs to be a dev that has that hw so he can write it |
| 15:40.22 | jethro | thayboiMu: you want a dcc? |
| 15:40.22 | Shay | hola, gabrod24 |
| 15:40.26 | snail_ | amorphix: there's also the fact the hadrware vendors lie aobut their specs |
| 15:40.28 | thayboiMu | yeah |
| 15:40.31 | amorphix | oh |
| 15:40.32 | jethro | !pal thayboiMu |
| 15:40.33 | gabrod24 | Shay: ahblas espaol |
| 15:40.35 | petemc | gabrod24: 1 |
| 15:40.38 | Shay | gabrod24; If you want spanish support you can try #debian-es or #debianitas |
| 15:40.40 | shingouz | amorphix: amen on that. if you can make the manufacturers work with the devels please do so |
| 15:40.45 | K_Dallas | !es |
| 15:40.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:40.46 | petemc | thayboiMu: 1 |
| 15:40.49 | jethro | thayboiMu: 1/ don't call me your bro 2/ don't /msg me please |
| 15:40.54 | prahal | TNKS: i wonder if you can achieve what you want : have the toughpad an trackball event merged (thus needing input/mice) except when you click on the center button .... |
| 15:40.58 | thayboiMu | ok |
| 15:41.05 | thayboiMu | oh |
| 15:41.07 | abrotman | jethro: hey bud .. can i msg you :) |
| 15:41.11 | jethro | abrotman: of course |
| 15:41.12 | prahal | have i understood this time ?-) |
| 15:41.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:41.17 | thayboiMu | how about /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/accept_ra |
| 15:41.24 | thayboiMu | /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/accept_redirects |
| 15:41.24 | amorphix | Canon have been good to make a Linux driver available at the request of Linux users |
| 15:41.29 | thayboiMu | /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding |
| 15:41.30 | amorphix | for the powershot family of cameras |
| 15:41.33 | thayboiMu | /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/router_solicitations |
| 15:41.34 | jethro | thayboiMu: are you kidding us? |
| 15:41.35 | jetscreamer | lexmark is your god |
| 15:41.38 | thayboiMu | are they all 1? |
| 15:41.38 | jethro | !tell thayboiMu -about flood |
| 15:41.41 | gabrod24 | y need know how use the iptables for deny acces to inetrnet to someone mahine in my lan |
| 15:41.44 | fatal_ | with the split configuration mode of exim4 in Sarge, you're supposed to be able to use hooks defined in the config files to add your own configuration rather then edit the standard config files and hand-apply all updates when new packages arrives.... I haven't found any docs about how to set values like "CHECK_RCPT_LOCAL_ACL_FILE" (which I think is a debconf value but don't really know).... can anyone enlighten me please? :) |
| 15:41.45 | DerSchotte | snail_: AND change specs without telling anyone ! |
| 15:41.49 | thayboiMu | i made some change and i dont know |
| 15:41.51 | asg | gabrod24: #iptables |
| 15:41.59 | amorphix | HP is linux friendly |
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| 15:42.04 | thayboiMu | are they all 1? |
| 15:42.05 | greycat | amorphix: why don't they just make their cameras NOT SUCK!? If they used standard USB mass storage, they wouldn't HAVE to use special drivers. |
| 15:42.09 | gabrod24 | i have a coyote linux router |
| 15:42.10 | amorphix | i have my HP printer working in Linux right away |
| 15:42.11 | snail_ | DerSchotte: or change the specs and forget to increment the product ids... |
| 15:42.20 | amorphix | greycat: true |
| 15:42.26 | jethro | thayboiMu: reboot, changes in /proc are not persistent unless you mod sysctl.conf |
| 15:42.37 | greycat | Why are Linux and Windows users so EAGER to be ass-raped by vendors?> |
| 15:42.38 | jetscreamer | i'm still waiting for the 'fax from pc' support with hp, but other than that i'm happy |
| 15:42.42 | gabrod24 | asg: know this distro |
| 15:42.42 | directhex|work | amorphix, drivers for my canon printer would be nice though. my next printer will be hp |
| 15:42.42 | DerSchotte | Exactly what I meant, new chips but SAME product ID and PCI ID |
| 15:42.46 | thayboiMu | jethro, yes , i messed up with it |
| 15:42.54 | thayboiMu | how do i change them back to default? |
| 15:42.56 | jethro | thayboiMu: you changed sysctl.conf? |
| 15:42.57 | snail_ | greycat: they're habituated... |
| 15:43.00 | shingouz | nikon should be larted into submission too, the fileformats on the nikons are a bit odd, especially raw |
| 15:43.03 | amorphix | most of my hardware is HP |
| 15:43.09 | amorphix | i like HP systems |
| 15:43.26 | asg | gabrod24: never heard of it |
| 15:43.29 | greycat | "Hey, I have a shiny new widget here!" "Oooooh!" "It works in Windows XP using this driver." "Oooooh, I'll just run your driver inside my i386 linux kernel using ndiswrapper! Hurt me some more!" |
| 15:43.32 | thayboiMu | jethro, yeah |
| 15:43.37 | directhex|work | greycat, many cameras these days offer a choice of 2 protocols, a scanner-style one and a mass-storage-type one |
| 15:43.47 | thayboiMu | jethro, can you dcc me those files? |
| 15:43.48 | asg | gabrod24: but iptables is iptables and #iptables can help with iptables |
| 15:44.04 | jethro | thayboiMu: no I wont dcc it, because you can restore them from debian packages |
| 15:44.06 | directhex|work | greycat, or just use a card reader |
| 15:44.07 | shingouz | asg: logical |
| 15:44.16 | amorphix | card media can be used in mass storage eh |
| 15:44.18 | thayboiMu | jethro, oh |
| 15:44.23 | jethro | thayboiMu: it's provided by procps |
| 15:44.25 | amorphix | device support is irrelevant |
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| 15:44.28 | shingouz | amorphix: yes. most of the time |
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| 15:44.35 | greycat | directhex|work: for cameras with removable storage, yes. |
| 15:44.45 | greycat | directhex|work: I've heard of some where the storage medium isn't removable. |
| 15:44.47 | thayboiMu | jethro, just remove them ? |
| 15:44.49 | snail_ | amorphix: how so? |
| 15:44.51 | thayboiMu | then install right? |
| 15:44.54 | jethro | thayboiMu: apt-get install --reinstall procps should work |
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| 15:45.02 | thayboiMu | cool |
| 15:45.07 | thayboiMu | thanks jethro :D |
| 15:45.08 | jethro | thayboiMu: maybe you need to purge then reinstall, just try and read apt-get manpage |
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| 15:45.13 | directhex|work | greycat, these days that's pretty rare. and modern cameras tend to use standards for image transfer over usb anyway |
| 15:45.19 | jetscreamer | hard drives are obselete, run everything in a ramdisk |
| 15:45.20 | asg | greycat: the dc-20 I got free with my fujitsu lifebook many moons ago didn't even work with Windows |
| 15:45.24 | directhex|work | greycat, the problems are mostly related to old cameras |
| 15:45.31 | greycat | directhex|work: gods, I hope so. |
| 15:45.34 | amorphix | snail_ if you setup a card reader as a mass storage device you can read your cards from your cam without needing to hook up your cam and tackle driver issues |
| 15:45.38 | darkskiez | [ Debconf was not configured to display this note, so it mailed it to you. ] <-- scince when has this been happening? |
| 15:45.49 | jetscreamer | miro won't give out the damn drivers for dc10,20, or 30 iirc |
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| 15:45.50 | greycat | darkskiez: quite some time... |
| 15:45.52 | jethro | jetscreamer: hard drives are only good when part of a SAN |
| 15:45.54 | jetscreamer | i tried like hell |
| 15:45.58 | sciboy | Heya, i am looking to setup LIRC on my laptop since windows was able to detect a IR interface... But i have no idea on which port it is, how can i find out? |
| 15:46.10 | jetscreamer | there's some lame guy who sells em |
| 15:46.21 | amorphix | sciboy: IR support in Linux? |
| 15:46.27 | amorphix | thats something im interested in |
| 15:46.28 | jethro | anyways, gotta negociate me being fired, so let's visit my retarded boss |
| 15:46.29 | sciboy | amorphix: LIRC |
| 15:46.30 | jethro | cheers #debian |
| 15:46.38 | directhex|work | LIRC is abominable to get working right |
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| 15:46.49 | DerSchotte | sciboy: did you check the laptop forums ? |
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| 15:47.01 | sciboy | First thing first, i want to discover which port it is on... COM1 etc. |
| 15:47.13 | sciboy | DerSchotte: I am googling through some at this very moment. |
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| 15:47.52 | DerSchotte | . /dev/ttyS0 is almost ALWAYS the serial port, try /dev/ttyS1 (for com2) |
| 15:47.55 | amorphix | whats my chances of getting my WinCE IR pda to connect to Linux via tcp/ip i wonder |
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| 15:48.18 | directhex|work | greycat, most cameras these days use the kodak PTP protocol (or offer it as an option). my brand new canon camera does, anyway |
| 15:48.20 | WhiteRabbit | t-minus 4 |
| 15:48.23 | sciboy | DerSchotte: So you're saying Trial and Error? =P |
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| 15:49.08 | thayboiMu | jethro, it still keep the old setting |
| 15:49.10 | sepski | hmm i think i found an working dec alpha in the 'trashed hardware' heap |
| 15:49.15 | DerSchotte | sciboy: go into BIOS and see what serial ports are provided. BTW, what H/W are we talking here ? |
| 15:49.28 | shingouz | sepski: go for it :) |
| 15:49.45 | sciboy | DerSchotte: Toshiba Satellite, the less i touch the BIOS the better =/ |
| 15:49.53 | directhex|work | http://www.teaser.fr/~hfiguiere/linux/digicam.html suggests most people use usb mass storage though |
| 15:50.07 | sepski | hmm a DECchip is that a mips ? |
| 15:50.09 | prahal | amorphix: i cannot tell for winCE though i have done tcp/ip over usbserial with palm (the hard part is the broken usbserial driver :( |
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| 15:50.19 | shingouz | sciboy: /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 15:50.35 | DerSchotte | There are LinuxLaptop sites for just this type of question, I know because I run the one for ThinkPads :) |
| 15:50.44 | shingouz | !laptop |
| 15:50.44 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 15:50.46 | amorphix | cool |
| 15:50.52 | amorphix | i owned a ThinkPad once |
| 15:50.54 | bluefox83 | when i try to install libglu1-mesa apt wants to remove x-window-system and x-window-system-core, is there a way around that? |
| 15:51.13 | TNKS | prahal, sorry, got distracted. The hack is called "tp-scroll". . . here's a link that Google turned up: http://rsim.cs.uiuc.edu/~sachs/tp-scroll/ |
| 15:51.20 | amorphix | i managed to blow out the psu so sold it on |
| 15:51.25 | DerSchotte | I still have 3, and oatched X to work with the 770x :) |
| 15:51.38 | amorphix | hehe |
| 15:51.38 | DerSchotte | s/oatched/patched/ |
| 15:51.48 | amorphix | i now own a Compaq Armada M700 |
| 15:51.59 | amorphix | which im using atm, and its very hot |
| 15:52.05 | shingouz | DerSchotte: want an IBM L40sx? ;) |
| 15:52.05 | DerSchotte | My name is still in the patch work fot that :) |
| 15:52.08 | bluefox83 | perhaps i should repeat or rephrase the question |
| 15:52.10 | sepski | what arch is a DIGITAL Personal workstation 433au it have a DECchip |
| 15:52.19 | greycat | sepski: alpha |
| 15:52.26 | TNKS | prahal, can you further explain this merging of the touchpad and trackball, which is bypased by the center button? Is this something you facillitate with GPM? |
| 15:52.28 | sepski | greycat, thank you |
| 15:52.38 | bluefox83 | how do i install libglu1-mesa without removing x-window-system? or can i simply re-install it once it's uninstalled? |
| 15:52.39 | greycat | or at least it sounds like an alpha |
| 15:52.45 | sepski | is it normal that those things have 4 grafic cards ? |
| 15:52.54 | TNKS | prahal, also, I'm not really sure what GPM is exactly. From what I've read, I get the impression it's for using a mouse in the console. |
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| 15:53.03 | greycat | TNKS: yes. |
| 15:53.15 | shingouz | sepski: no but it is cool |
| 15:53.23 | bluefox83 | !opengl |
| 15:53.24 | dpkg | well, opengl is (Open Graphics Language) This is a 3D graphics API developed by Silicon Graphics., but at http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html. There is also a free implementation for it, ask me about mesa |
| 15:53.27 | TNKS | greycat, but it seems that a few people use GPM for other "benefits". |
| 15:53.35 | bluefox83 | !mesa |
| 15:53.35 | dpkg | hmm... mesa is the free implementation of the OpenGL API, more information is at http://www.mesa3d.org/ or ask me about 'glx' |
| 15:53.41 | stupidkid | can someone check me default /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/accept_ra ? what number is in there |
| 15:53.44 | bluefox83 | !glx |
| 15:53.44 | dpkg | i heard glx is opengl for X. Currently, Matrox MGA-G200, MGA-G400, ATI Rage based cards, Intel i810 cards, and nvidia's RIVA series are supported. it can be grabbed from CVS at :mailto:pserver:anonymous@cvs.utah-glx.sourceforge.net:/cvs/utah-glx or at http://utah-glx.sourceforge.net, or ask me about `glx debs`, or included in XF4 nowadays and uses dri, so utah-glx is obsolete. |
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| 15:53.51 | sepski | should be able to run sarge then .. hmm :) |
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| 15:54.00 | greycat | TNKS: maybe years ago. sarge's X shouldn't require gpm for any dubious "benefits". |
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| 15:54.17 | bluefox83 | !glx debs |
| 15:54.17 | dpkg | i guess glx debs is available in woody and sid. If you need them for potato, just recompile it. |
| 15:54.23 | greycat | hahaha |
| 15:54.28 | DerSchotte | sepski: I heard potatoe is stable now |
| 15:54.31 | shingouz | bluefox83: msg dpkg instead of doing it on the channel |
| 15:54.33 | greycat | !potatoe |
| 15:54.33 | dpkg | IT'S POTATO DAMMIT!! P-O-T-A-T-O!!, or please learn to spell better than Dan Quayle |
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| 15:55.34 | sepski | i think it have vms something on it. unfortunatly i have no monitor that sync to whatever it's configured to, and i have no passwords eihter :/ |
| 15:55.54 | sepski | it was running 4 immense screens at a power and utillities control room |
| 15:56.11 | shingouz | sepski: did you get the screens too :p |
| 15:56.21 | sepski | shingouz, no they are still in use :/ |
| 15:56.23 | yaccobb | glxgears have about 1000fps(somehow CPU on 1000%) for me but xscreensavers are very very very laggy. Is it due to unworking xvideo or it's normal ? |
| 15:56.37 | shingouz | sepski: damn :( |
| 15:56.40 | sepski | shingouz, aye :( |
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| 15:57.02 | sepski | or maybe for the best, or i woudnt have space for my self in my 'computer' room |
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| 15:57.17 | Gathond | yaccobb: on a recent machine 1000 fps in glx gears seems to indicate non accelerated OGL |
| 15:57.18 | shingouz | sepski: but if the box is really an alpha you should not have vms on it, there should be some unix |
| 15:57.23 | mngrif | computer room? try lab :) |
| 15:57.38 | sepski | ill try booting it again see what i can see |
| 15:57.48 | shingouz | i hope not smoke |
| 15:57.53 | Gathond | yaccobb: glxgears is very very simple animation |
| 15:57.54 | mngrif | yaccobb: run glxinfo and at the top look for "direct rendering: " and it will say yes or no |
| 15:58.09 | sepski | Digital UNIX = |
| 15:58.10 | sepski | ? |
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| 15:58.15 | amorphix | how do i quit X and get to the shell? |
| 15:58.21 | shingouz | sepski: no vms in that case |
| 15:58.30 | DerSchotte | Hey guys, I have a "Promise" controller (non raid), and I'm thinking of slapping that in with 2 80G drives, question is, RAID1 or RAID0 ? |
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| 15:58.35 | asg | amorphix: depends on how you started X |
| 15:58.38 | amorphix | i need to test wacdump outside X |
| 15:58.41 | sepski | Digital unix v4.0D |
| 15:58.46 | shingouz | amorphix: does the box boot into X? |
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| 15:58.50 | bluefox83 | amorphix, in a terminal, /etc/init.d/*dm stop |
| 15:58.51 | amorphix | asg: i started it via the menu login system |
| 15:58.56 | amorphix | yes |
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| 15:59.09 | amorphix | ok thanx |
| 15:59.42 | sepski | how can i password /recover/ a Digital unix :) |
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| 16:00.27 | yaccobb | mngrif, Gathond : direct rendering: yes, 1300fps but I have low-end card (R9250). But i though no SO low-end to lag screensaver. |
| 16:00.46 | mngrif | yaccobb: i have a voodoo 5 5500. tell me about low end. |
| 16:01.24 | Gathond | yaccobb: depends on the screensavers, some of them might demand quite alot |
| 16:01.26 | yaccobb | mngrif: wow. but you can run screensaver normaly and i can't. |
| 16:01.26 | prahal | TNKS: ok then definitely you should not use input/mice ... you should have two mouse input section as told in http://www.antrix.net/stuff/suse_thinkpad/ ... and to set the device file in each of those section if input/mouse0 and 1 are not always bound to the same mouse , use udev rules to create /dev/input/trackpad and /dev/input/touchpad (though i don't get the problem with hotplug ... the trackball and touchpad are always on |
| 16:02.15 | sepski | away from monitor a sec, going to try my newest monitor on the digital |
| 16:02.49 | elirips | hello. can somebody please give me a hint how to set up RANDR support for x? i have the package libxrandr2 installed, but what option do i need to set in my xf86config-4 to enable it? |
| 16:03.02 | mngrif | yaccobb: xscreensaver is too much for my p2-400.. i'd rather not deal with it swapping out on resume. and i don't like over half of them |
| 16:03.38 | prahal | greycat: i use it for the last benefit ... hotplugging mouse :) though i hope X will support it soon (but i wonder how they would manage to guess to which visual to bound which input :/ ) |
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| 16:04.29 | yaccobb | Gathond: ok, let's forget about screensavers, I don't use them. But i think graphic's aren't good. Is there any advanced glxgears debian package ? |
| 16:05.01 | Gathond | yaccobb: advanced? you mean using more polygons and stuff? not that I know of |
| 16:05.12 | yaccobb | mngrif: p2 ?! a ithought tose PC aren't in use.... if you feel better i have 468 in room next too(and my mum use it sometimes) |
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| 16:05.26 | Gathond | yaccobb: that CPU do you have?, it might be the CPU that sets the upper limit for the speed and not the card |
| 16:05.35 | sepski | no chance :P |
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| 16:05.55 | greycat | prahal: you mean PS/2 mice? PS/2 hardware is *not* hot-pluggable. |
| 16:05.57 | greycat | !two mice |
| 16:05.58 | dpkg | You have a laptop with a touchpad (PS/2) and an external USB mouse, and you want X to use either one, but despite the promises, it Just Doesn't Work? Make the PS/2 mouse the primary device, and add a new InputDevice section for the USB device with Option "SendCoreEvents" instead of Option "CorePointer". Be sure to use both input devices down in the ServerLayout section. modprobe mousedev && echo mousedev >> /etc/modules |
| 16:06.11 | yaccobb | Gathond: yes. AthlongXP 2100+ but in glx gears in run on 100% like software render... strange. |
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| 16:06.22 | greycat | there is no 'g' in Athlon. |
| 16:06.29 | petemc | you can pull a mouse out and stick another one in if you're quick enough |
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| 16:06.52 | greycat | petemc: not supported on PS/2 ports. Use USB. |
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| 16:06.54 | Gathond | yaccobb: Im still suspecting it to use software rendering for some reason, that or the driver is really really bad on that particular card |
| 16:06.55 | sec_dude | is any one using ntop |
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| 16:07.02 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 16:07.02 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:07.07 | furrywolf | petemc: the withdrawal method has very poor success rates though. |
| 16:07.18 | prahal | greycat: i know. It is told to be bad for the motherboard. Though i never had a MB broke by this ... and yes with gpm they become hotpluggable :) |
| 16:07.18 | petemc | greycat: it may be unsupported, but it does work |
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| 16:07.29 | sec_dude | hehe |
| 16:07.39 | petemc | furrywolf: the billings method? yes |
| 16:07.50 | furrywolf | actually, I've never had a problem hotswapping ps/2 mice or keyboards with anything but my kvm... |
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| 16:08.05 | sec_dude | can some one pls help me to configure NTOP |
| 16:08.26 | CrAzYWolF | hehe sup man what have you been up 2 |
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| 16:08.31 | Triffid_Hunter | hehe yeah PS/2 hotswap works fine for me on all my puters, though i've used ones on which it wouldn't |
| 16:08.46 | yaccobb | Gathond: I am using fglrx (for ATI Radeon 9250) but i have such feeling there is some bad stuff in XF86Config-4. I edited but it has changed somehow. |
| 16:08.57 | greycat | if you hot-plug a PS/2 mouse on an HP B132L+ or B180L workstation, you'll have to restart X to use it. |
| 16:09.02 | shingouz | PS/2 hotswap is impossible on most real PS/2's fwiw |
| 16:09.31 | furrywolf | crazy: working on gimp-print... so far I've written a little C proggie that makes test patterns come out the printer... now to work on adding the printer to gimp-print. |
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| 16:09.51 | prahal | yaccobb: i cannot tell about fglrx ... though using the "radeon" driver with a 7500 i had around 1600 in glxgears on a duron 600 (though it is an unreliable benchmark) |
| 16:09.51 | mngrif | in over 10 years of dealing with PS2 mice and keyboard, i've never had a problem hotswapping any of them, and am about to do it so i can hack a bit on an old server of mine |
| 16:10.16 | njan | mngrif, I've crashed more than one commercial firewall based on a PC by hotswapping Ps/2. |
| 16:10.18 | prahal | greycat: except if you use gpmdata and restart gpm in between the change of mouse ... |
| 16:10.22 | shingouz | mngrif: PS/2, not PS2 please, the plaguestation makes my head hurt |
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| 16:10.38 | CrAzYWolF | furry nice man |
| 16:10.38 | greycat | prahal: on HP-UX 10.20. |
| 16:10.47 | CrAzYWolF | im messing with squid |
| 16:10.59 | greycat | 1797 N L May 25 To secureshell@ ( 0) OpenSSH 4.1 released |
| 16:11.06 | mngrif | njan: i had a compaq that i was using as a router that was iffy about doing it ("no keyboard found, press F11 to continue") |
| 16:11.11 | prahal | greycat: gee i was talking about linux :) |
| 16:11.32 | njan | mngrif, crappy. Routers/firewalls made of old PCs are a nuisance when they make you do that |
| 16:11.39 | prahal | whatever the hardware i guess . I cannot tell how HPUX manage ps2 |
| 16:11.47 | njan | mngrif, makes me want to hack up a PS/2 connector and stick a resistor in it. :) |
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| 16:11.54 | yaccobb | prahal: well, I tried 'radeon' but it somehow switched back to fglrx... is it normal that 'radeon' driver is not in menu of drivers in depkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? Before that i had 2000fps |
| 16:11.55 | mngrif | njan: yeah, i'm glad i switched to a linksys |
| 16:12.00 | njan | mngrif, lol |
| 16:12.13 | amorphix | ok my wacom pad is not working |
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| 16:12.17 | njan | mngrif, I'm lucky enough to have an old PC with a bios that'll let me tell it to ignore having no keyboard. |
| 16:12.18 | amorphix | i gives up |
| 16:12.24 | prahal | yaccobb: "ati" will do the same (it fails back to radeon if it finds such a card) |
| 16:12.27 | furrywolf | amorphix: did you install the linuxwacom drivers? |
| 16:12.36 | jasoncohen | mythtv isn't filling my tv monitor. there are horizontal bars at the top and bottom. is there a tool for ati like the nvidia one to increase the size of the display? Or can i set an overscan percentage in XF86Config-4.conf? |
| 16:12.41 | mngrif | njan: it was just on boot that the problem presisted.. eventualy i cleared enough space to leave it sitting plugged in |
| 16:12.44 | jasoncohen | *XF86Config-4 |
| 16:12.48 | amorphix | i just grabbed the package for the drivers, didnt compile my own |
| 16:13.04 | xoz | any quick script to concatenate columns? cat only concatenate rows in files. |
| 16:13.10 | greycat | xoz: paste |
| 16:13.18 | njan | mngrif, waste of a good keyboard |
| 16:13.33 | greycat | that's the second person today who wanted paste(1). must be an epidemic. |
| 16:13.37 | furrywolf | amorphix: umm? I'm pretty sure you have to compile something to make it work... |
| 16:13.43 | njan | mngrif, I have a compaq server (huge hulking thing) which has a keyboard plugged into it because of that, it's a complete pain.. the damn thing makes me hit f1 to boot it. Servers shouldn't do that. |
| 16:13.56 | amorphix | oh |
| 16:14.05 | yaccobb | prahal: well, i try to edit XF86Config-4 again... any instructions about it ? btw one person here said that fglrx is 2x faster than 'ati' and 'radeon'. |
| 16:14.14 | asg | greycat: they must all be doing Windows vs OS/X comparisons |
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| 16:14.17 | greycat | njan: you should make a keyboard with *just* an F1 key. |
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| 16:14.25 | DerSchotte | How do I use a mouse wheel in emacs on debian ? |
| 16:14.26 | greycat | njan: duct tape it to the server. |
| 16:14.28 | xoz | ah... transpose file1 file2 ... then cat ... then transpose again. |
| 16:14.39 | prahal | yaccobb: it may be . It did not support ati 7500 so i was never able to compare |
| 16:14.49 | furrywolf | amorphix: the debian package just provides the source, it has to be compiled... personally I'd recommend compiling your own kernel, patched with the linuxwacom drivers before compiling. |
| 16:14.50 | greycat | xoz: man 1 paste |
| 16:15.13 | amorphix | furrywolf thanx, thats where im going wrong then..doh |
| 16:15.23 | DerSchotte | greycat, do think we'll get the stable release on monday ? |
| 16:15.28 | bluefox83 | xorg isn't available in apt yet is it? |
| 16:15.33 | yaccobb | prahal: oh, that's true (8500 higher ?). Ok, i try to make fglrx work. thanks for info. |
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| 16:15.44 | greycat | bluefox83: /topic |
| 16:15.46 | prahal | yaccobb: though i find your glxgears results so low it is either false or the driver have a hard time with your card |
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| 16:16.16 | greycat | prahal: or he didn't read his logs and dmesg to see what the problem is. |
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| 16:16.53 | xoz | greycat: that's it.... ive written a script of transpose... waste of time. |
| 16:17.09 | xoz | greycat: thanks |
| 16:17.19 | prahal | well i don't see the use for debugging fglxr issues ... please spend time testing and bugreporting the free one :) |
| 16:17.34 | amorphix | i think now is the time to upgrade my kernel |
| 16:17.35 | DerSchotte | DAMN, why can I find books about knoppix but NOT about debian, just not fair I tell you |
| 16:17.56 | furrywolf | amorphix: if you do compile your own kernel, follow their directions for replacing the kernel files with the 5 .c files included with the wacom drivers... don't expect it to work any other way. in the linuxwacom-whatever/src/2.6.11/ (assuming you use .11) dir, each of those .c files has to replace the .c file of the same name in the kernel source tree. |
| 16:18.15 | yaccobb | prahal: i think so too... |
| 16:18.15 | amorphix | aha thanx |
| 16:18.23 | aidehua | So. I'm about to resign, and I have a 3 month notice period, except I want to re-negotiate that down to 4-6 weeks. |
| 16:18.34 | Gathond | yaccobb: given that your card is supported by the free driver, and the fglrx driver is rather slow i believe, you are probably better of using the free one anyway |
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| 16:18.40 | njan | greycat, if I had a keyboard plugged in I wouldn't need to hit F1 :p |
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| 16:18.42 | mig16 | hi |
| 16:18.44 | aidehua | Is it normal for an employer to say "that's fine, but we're going to scratch this year's holiday allowance in order to do so" ? |
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| 16:18.53 | mig16 | can some 1 help me? |
| 16:18.55 | greycat | njan: consider it extra special irony, then. |
| 16:19.00 | njan | aidehua, no. |
| 16:19.02 | njan | greycat, lol |
| 16:19.05 | DerSchotte | aidehua: WTF ? |
| 16:19.05 | greycat | !tell mig16 about ask |
| 16:19.11 | bash0 | gnome 2.10 in experimental more or less a stable thing now? |
| 16:19.12 | amorphix | at last i feel like im getting somewhere with this wacom! |
| 16:19.15 | njan | greycat, if anything I'm going to make a ctl-alt-del keyboard. It is a win2k server, after all. |
| 16:19.25 | njan | greycat, then it would be useful, too. |
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| 16:19.28 | mig16 | i need to talk with a head developer or with some 1 who i can talk about events |
| 16:19.28 | greycat | bash0: look up experimental in your dictionary. |
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| 16:19.52 | bash0 | greycat: i mean did someone checkout if it's usable yet? |
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| 16:20.45 | FieldySnuts | vagueness? |
| 16:21.03 | mig16 | i need to talk with a head developer or with some 1 who i can talk about events |
| 16:21.06 | bash0 | just thought someone tested it already |
| 16:21.15 | prahal | yaccobb: you may stay with fglrx though stay tuned to http://www.livejournal.com/users/airlied/ . Great stuff on the radeon side |
| 16:21.16 | FieldySnuts | don't expect to talk to one speaking like "some 1" |
| 16:21.16 | bash0 | besides the guys who uploaded *g* |
| 16:21.19 | shingouz | !tell mig16 about repeat |
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| 16:21.46 | mig16 | mmmm..... look |
| 16:21.56 | DerSchotte | mig16: What evets and where, then someone here *MIGHT* be able to point you in the right direction |
| 16:21.58 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 16:22.04 | shingouz | we have a cluebie here |
| 16:22.23 | mig16 | i want to ivnite debian to an expo,.,,,, |
| 16:22.23 | mig16 | WTC mexico |
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| 16:22.37 | humbolt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:22.57 | ernstable | shurely you have one at home? |
| 16:23.31 | DerSchotte | mig16: I thought you meant HW event and interrupt drivers :) |
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| 16:23.31 | mig16 | no |
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| 16:23.37 | mig16 | i ment WTC "Wold trade center" mexico |
| 16:23.48 | shingouz | mig16: talk to us, do not make us guess |
| 16:24.00 | mig16 | sorry,,, my english is not the best :P but im trying lol |
| 16:24.11 | mig16 | ,,, its an expo for developers.... |
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| 16:24.27 | mig16 | and we are thinking of having debian in there |
| 16:24.28 | DerSchotte | ok, mig16 is looking for someone to contant regarding an expo in Mexico and having debian present. |
| 16:24.33 | DerSchotte | corret ? |
| 16:24.37 | mig16 | right! |
| 16:24.39 | mig16 | thx :P |
| 16:24.40 | greycat | !es |
| 16:24.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:24.46 | sepski | mig16, read this page http://www.debian.org/events/ |
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| 16:24.54 | mig16 | i did,,,and i allreayd email |
| 16:25.00 | mig16 | but i have no answer... |
| 16:25.07 | sepski | patience |
| 16:25.09 | prahal | mig16: you shoudl ask to #debian-devel though ML ( http://lists.debian.org/ ) would reach more people |
| 16:25.10 | FieldySnuts | !irritate mig16 |
| 16:25.12 | dpkg | mig16: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound plz msg me, thorie_ |
| 16:26.10 | DerSchotte | Get onto the main devel mailing list and get a response there mig16 |
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| 16:26.34 | mig16 | okz,,, thanks man |
| 16:26.40 | mig16 | im gonna keep waiting,,, ;) |
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| 16:26.54 | romulo | hi, how i tell ld to look for one file .so when it finds the -lfilename? |
| 16:27.02 | DerSchotte | Hmm a debian-marketting mailing list would be a good idea too though |
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| 16:27.39 | mig16 | why when i open xhat as root i didnt have voice? |
| 16:27.44 | mig16 | xchat* |
| 16:27.46 | DerSchotte | Or maybe debian-evangilist ? |
| 16:27.46 | ajs | Anybody running AMD64 Linux that could put libstdc++.so.5 up somewhere? I only have so.6, and this binary I'm trying to run needs 5 (and I can't symlink, I've tried). |
| 16:28.20 | bluefox83 | i can't find xorg anywhere =( |
| 16:28.31 | bluefox83 | i must be looking in the wrong place or something |
| 16:28.34 | greycat | ajs: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 16:28.46 | greycat | bluefox83: /topic |
| 16:28.46 | shingouz | bluefox83: you do not need xorg at this point |
| 16:29.19 | kimtree | is sarge better than woody ? |
| 16:29.26 | sepski | !better |
| 16:29.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 16:29.54 | amorphix | if u set the fuzzy to max u get the middle of the week for the time hehe |
| 16:30.34 | Darien | Hi all, I'm trying to install a Debian-AMD64 system, but it fails when I try to install GRUB, giving me a useless error message (basically 'Didn't work.') Is there any way I can find out WHY it's not working and how to fix it? |
| 16:30.36 | amorphix | fuzzylogic(tm) |
| 16:30.36 | sepski | amorphix, so ntp to keep clock in sync and fuzzy to keep it diffues... reather pointless ? :) |
| 16:30.40 | caonex | i am using automounter and when i try to load cd into one of the mount folders i get: No such file or folder, any ideas why? |
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| 16:31.44 | greycat | DerSchotte: could you PLEASE stop putting double quotes around your /me actions? It's really annoying. |
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| 16:31.52 | prahal | where is the ML archive to view events@debian.org ? i can only find evnt north maerica and events europe :) |
| 16:31.59 | prahal | oups america |
| 16:32.15 | kimtree | where to apt-get install php? |
| 16:32.28 | kimtree | php5 |
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| 16:33.05 | prahal | kimtree: sadly there is no official repo :( some sort of war . |
| 16:33.06 | FieldySnuts | !nickometer PHUNKy_BUDDhA |
| 16:33.06 | dpkg | 'PHUNKy_BUDDhA' is 99.9215% lame, fieldysnuts |
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| 16:33.14 | FieldySnuts | php5 in debian? laugh |
| 16:33.28 | furrywolf | phunky buddha? is that like having zazan in a zendo with a disco ball on the ceiling? |
| 16:33.34 | furrywolf | zazen |
| 16:33.37 | romulo | hi, how i tell ld to look for one file .so when it finds the -lfilename? |
| 16:33.46 | WhiteRabbit | !nickometer FieldySnuts |
| 16:33.54 | WhiteRabbit | hah |
| 16:33.55 | amorphix | DerSchotte ist deutschlander? |
| 16:34.03 | prahal | FieldySnuts: there are debs since day one ... and both group of devels tells they are pending upload for 2 years !( |
| 16:34.04 | FieldySnuts | odd how that never works on me when someone else tries it |
| 16:34.11 | FieldySnuts | shrug |
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| 16:34.14 | DerSchotte | Nope, reine Schotte :) |
| 16:34.19 | FieldySnuts | !de |
| 16:34.19 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 16:34.20 | WhiteRabbit | FieldySnuts, dpkg the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for FieldySnuts is 0.000%, whiterabbit |
| 16:34.21 | amorphix | oops |
| 16:34.23 | thayboiMu | hey can i create file in /proc/sys/net/ipv6/ip_forward ? |
| 16:34.28 | kimtree | prahal: why not php5 in debian? |
| 16:34.28 | WhiteRabbit | FieldySnuts, it did for me |
| 16:34.44 | FieldySnuts | because php5 is fucked up |
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| 16:34.55 | eeyore- | morning! |
| 16:35.07 | prahal | FieldySnuts: please comment |
| 16:35.10 | greycat | afternoon, eeyore- |
| 16:35.23 | shingouz | evening, eeyore- |
| 16:35.27 | prahal | i am eager to understand why the upload is pending for 2 years |
| 16:35.37 | PHUNKy_BUDDhA | FieldySnuts =] |
| 16:35.40 | eeyore- | `localtime()` |
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| 16:36.07 | sepski | argh netinstalling debian/alpha on a 64kbit ... :/ |
| 16:36.15 | sepski | patience.. |
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| 16:36.59 | shingouz | sepski: you got the box to boot already? |
| 16:37.09 | kimtree | FieldySnuts:where is your patience! |
| 16:37.20 | sepski | shingouz, yes i dl the 4MB netboot cd |
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| 16:37.39 | sepski | shingouz, and with the documentation on www.debian.org it's a walk in the park |
| 16:37.51 | shingouz | nice |
| 16:37.57 | sepski | (so far atlest) |
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| 16:38.07 | shingouz | kimtree: this is #debian, we have no patience |
| 16:38.14 | shingouz | ;) |
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| 16:38.38 | eeyore- | should try #gentoo, we have negative patience |
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| 16:39.37 | kimtree | shingouz:then how can i get debian run the fucked php4 ? |
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| 16:39.45 | furrywolf | bah, that's be a good rant. what's with the remarkable suckyness of american food? :P |
| 16:40.00 | shingouz | kimtree: i have no idea, i dont have any experience with php at all |
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| 16:40.38 | eeyore- | kimtree: what's wrong with php4 now? |
| 16:40.43 | kimtree | shingouz:then how do you run your website? |
| 16:40.55 | eeyore- | kimtree: AFAIK, i'm running sid + php4 + apache (1.3) |
| 16:41.37 | kimtree | eeyore:why not php5? |
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| 16:41.49 | shingouz | kimtree: i do not have a website |
| 16:41.49 | eeyore- | kimtree: there's php5 for debian now? :-> |
| 16:41.50 | furrywolf | derschotte: stop it with the bloody quotes! |
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| 16:42.31 | kimtree | eeyore:where to get all about php5 information? |
| 16:42.33 | DerSchotte | afaik php5 is buggy |
| 16:42.54 | eeyore- | kimtree: i would suspect http://www.php.net/ |
| 16:43.13 | kimtree | eeyore:i see |
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| 16:43.39 | eeyore- | kimtree: i run mix of debian/php4/apache-1.3 and gentoo/php5/mod-php4/apache2, and they both work just fine |
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| 16:44.03 | kimtree | eeyore:but do you have some shortcut for me to install php? |
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| 16:44.26 | bash0 | greycat: for further reference, gnome 2.10.1 in experimental is quite usable atm |
| 16:44.31 | nati | Nati |
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| 16:44.39 | eeyore- | kimtree: i don't understand. you need to get something like LAMP set up, you have to invest some sweat equity and commit some brain cells to the task |
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| 16:44.51 | eeyore- | kimtree: there is no "wizard" to help you install and configure it all |
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| 16:45.28 | yaccobb | how can i select text in gnome-terminal without mouse, please ? |
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| 16:46.13 | Lee__ | yaccobb: you're probably better off using a regular console + screen |
| 16:46.42 | oguz | hi, i was trying to write to a rewritable dvd with my dual dvd writer but when i copy files to the nautilus-cd-creator and press write cd it said: Please replace the in-drive media by a rewritable or blank media. |
| 16:46.46 | yaccobb | Lee__: what do you mean by 'regular console ?' ? |
| 16:46.50 | oguz | how can i fix it? |
| 16:47.03 | Lee__ | yaccobb: press ctrl + alt + f1 |
| 16:47.08 | eeyore- | oguz: you might have to blank the media first |
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| 16:48.01 | oguz | eeyore-, it should be blank, when i mount it there is nothing in it, anyway how can i erase it? |
| 16:48.39 | yaccobb | Lee__: That's the way to, but my goal is to capture text from console. how can I do that ? |
| 16:48.43 | eeyore- | oguz: cdrecord has specific command for blanking media, one sec |
| 16:49.00 | eeyore- | oguz: cdrecord dev=.... blank=all |
| 16:49.13 | Lee__ | yaccobb: apt-get install screen ; man screen |
| 16:49.13 | oguz | eeyore-, ok let me try |
| 16:49.36 | furrywolf | dammit! other box crashed AGAIN. |
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| 16:50.17 | kimtree | eeyore-: thanks! |
| 16:50.43 | eeyore- | furrywolf: i disagree. i run 2.6 on all machines now, and they're high-volume high-workload machines |
| 16:50.48 | Lee__ | furrywolf: what made your kernel crash?> |
| 16:51.11 | furrywolf | lee: no clue. instant hard lockups. no magic sysrq, even. |
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| 16:51.28 | Lee__ | well you can't go about blaming the kernel version if you don't know what caused the crash. |
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| 16:51.35 | furrywolf | seem to be correlated with high network activity, although only in a slight way. |
| 16:51.36 | eeyore- | furrywolf: you're probably using modules / kernel code /etc. that don't like each other. that's not specific to 2.6, though. fbconsole? |
| 16:51.37 | biggi | hi |
| 16:51.40 | Tecky | May 26 12:48:06 Guardian amavisd-new[15133]: ANTI-SPAM code NOT loaded (this is after removing both amavis-new and spamassassin and readding both) What gives???? |
| 16:51.49 | eeyore- | furrywolf: what network chip/driver is it? |
| 16:51.51 | Lee__ | I had a machine do that when the CPU was at sustained 99% and it turned out to be a bad CPU |
| 16:51.52 | SpaceLobster | can I use expectk to record a session in Mozilla, and then playback that session? |
| 16:52.03 | furrywolf | it's an 8139too-compatible. :)3 |
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| 16:52.06 | furrywolf | grr |
| 16:52.09 | furrywolf | no 3. :) |
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| 16:52.29 | oguz | eeyore-, This drive or media does not support the 'BLANK media' command |
| 16:52.32 | Lee__ | furrywolf: run memtest86 if the arch is x86. you could have bad RAM |
| 16:52.34 | masoft | fusero_ppc, do you have a apple computer ? |
| 16:52.40 | amorphix | emergency personnel on standby plz |
| 16:52.42 | biggi | i'm trying to configure the X. i want to use KDE. i have one little problem with my mouse. don't know how to find out which port is it connected to and things like that. could please someone help me. thank you |
| 16:52.43 | eeyore- | oguz: well then. are you *sure* it's CD rewritable media? |
| 16:52.50 | Lee__ | amorphix: to what version? |
| 16:52.51 | eeyore- | oguz: my guess is it's *not* a rewritable media |
| 16:52.55 | yaccobb | Lee__: useful, thanks. |
| 16:52.59 | amorphix | Lee_: 2.6 |
| 16:53.06 | Lee__ | from 2.4? |
| 16:53.10 | amorphix | ya |
| 16:53.17 | furrywolf | lee: it's all ECC... I'd hope to see ecc warnings before it crashes. |
| 16:53.18 | Lee__ | the upgrade in sarge is really simple |
| 16:53.27 | amorphix | really |
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| 16:53.39 | Lee__ | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 16:53.41 | humbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.42 | Lee__ | reboot |
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| 16:53.46 | amorphix | no compiling? |
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| 16:53.48 | carlos_ | #debian-es |
| 16:53.51 | shingouz | amorphix: nope |
| 16:53.52 | Lee__ | amorphix: no compiling |
| 16:53.55 | biggi | Lee__ don't use 2.6.8 |
| 16:53.55 | furrywolf | and it only started being unstable around about 2.6.8... |
| 16:53.56 | amorphix | phew |
| 16:53.56 | eeyore- | furrywolf: ECC doesn't always detect all types of parity errors |
| 16:54.02 | drp | humbolt: write maybe |
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| 16:54.09 | Lee__ | biggi: fine, what's you're poison? |
| 16:54.09 | amorphix | why not 2.8.6 |
| 16:54.13 | eeyore- | furrywolf: if ECC is the be-all solution, there wouldn't be a need for things like memtest86 |
| 16:54.18 | humbolt | drp: does not work somehow |
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| 16:54.26 | biggi | amorphix first of all, it very ownable and it's old |
| 16:54.35 | amorphix | damn |
| 16:54.37 | shingouz | amorphix: 2.6.8 is a bit odd, get something a bit newer |
| 16:54.45 | biggi | yep yep |
| 16:54.48 | biggi | 2.6.11-1 |
| 16:54.50 | Lee__ | biggi: I'm fine sticking with the kernels in sarge |
| 16:54.51 | drp | humbolt: write <username> |
| 16:54.56 | furrywolf | right now I'm running .12-rc4, which seems a lot less stable than .11.7 was. :) |
| 16:54.57 | biggi | i guess it's the best what you can get at the time |
| 16:54.57 | amorphix | so i must be in dinasaur land with 2.4 eh |
| 16:55.15 | biggi | Lee__ good for youz |
| 16:55.16 | biggi | -z |
| 16:55.21 | DerSchotte | 2.4 is not dino land |
| 16:55.23 | eeyore- | furrywolf: "it only happened <x> days ago" type of statement is not relevant generally. you have a problem now. you might not have seen it before, doesn't mean it wasn't there before. doesn't mean it was there before either. so, you get the drift. |
| 16:55.25 | amorphix | hehe |
| 16:55.33 | Lee__ | biggi: and good for you too, with your super up to dateness |
| 16:55.43 | biggi | ok whatever |
| 16:55.45 | biggi | now please |
| 16:55.47 | biggi | my problem |
| 16:55.53 | amorphix | isnt it safer to have older kernels rather than newer cutting edge ones |
| 16:55.55 | biggi | with configuring X (KDE) |
| 16:56.02 | biggi | i can't install the mouse |
| 16:56.03 | amorphix | or does that only apply to apps |
| 16:56.06 | biggi | don't know why really.. |
| 16:56.07 | furrywolf | eeyore: one of my other boxes also became unstable when I ugpraded to .11.7 on it... I don't think it's hardware. |
| 16:56.08 | shingouz | biggi: on one line please |
| 16:56.10 | Lee__ | amorphix: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 in sarge. it'll be great. |
| 16:56.11 | humbolt | drp: I wrote write <username> humbolt and it did not do anything |
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| 16:56.14 | DerSchotte | 2.4.27/28 is better IMHO |
| 16:56.16 | biggi | shingouz ok |
| 16:56.18 | amorphix | Lee__ thanks |
| 16:56.25 | furrywolf | my cd-rw drives broke in both boxes at the same time, too. |
| 16:56.27 | humbolt | drp: just kidding |
| 16:56.29 | CrAzYWolF | yo un pico how i know in witch line im in? |
| 16:56.31 | eeyore- | furrywolf: you're right :-) if only YOU have the problem, it might be you :-) classical PEBCAK? |
| 16:56.37 | Overand | amorphix: debian is pretty careful about only providing you with stable kernels |
| 16:56.45 | Overand | that's why they have an 'older' kernel |
| 16:56.53 | Overand | it's been patched, checked out, etc. |
| 16:56.53 | amorphix | i see |
| 16:56.53 | humbolt | drp: I'll try ktalkd |
| 16:56.55 | furrywolf | yet no one else has broken cd-roms or random crashes. both boxes have the same chipset, starting to wonder if it might be some odd interaction with it. |
| 16:57.04 | Overand | furrywolf: swap hard drives |
| 16:57.07 | CrAzYWolF | yo un pico how i know in witch line im in? any help |
| 16:57.10 | biggi | so any idea how to install the fucking mouse? |
| 16:57.14 | eeyore- | furrywolf: what is the motherboard chipset? |
| 16:57.35 | greycat | biggi: could you be any more vague? |
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| 16:57.45 | biggi | greycat anytime |
| 16:57.45 | Lee__ | biggi: I don't think there is a driver for the fucking mouse. though the mouse perhaps... |
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| 16:57.55 | biggi | ok i'll ask again |
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| 16:58.00 | eeyore- | Lee__: there are drivers for USB vibrators .... |
| 16:58.02 | rob_lt | CrAzYWolF: ctrl-c |
| 16:58.03 | oguz | eeyore-, it is rewritabel because i wrote by using windows and the erased it |
| 16:58.05 | greycat | ask again, sure, but GIVE DETAILS. |
| 16:58.07 | Lee__ | and tea warmers |
| 16:58.08 | greycat | !details |
| 16:58.08 | eeyore- | Lee__: it's *close enough* to a fucking mouse |
| 16:58.09 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian version, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
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| 16:58.17 | furrywolf | eeyore: msi 694d pro motherboards, via vt82c686a |
| 16:58.25 | Lee__ | !fucking mouse |
| 16:58.26 | dpkg | dunno, try without swearing, maybe. :-P |
| 16:58.26 | CrAzYWolF | thanks rob_it |
| 16:58.30 | biggi | could some one please help me install the mouse? i'm having some problems with it. i'm nut sure which port it is connected to and so on...please |
| 16:58.37 | greycat | that's not detailed. |
| 16:58.42 | thayboiMu | hey can i remove /proc folder? |
| 16:58.48 | Overand | thayboiMu: no |
| 16:58.49 | greycat | thayboiMu: yes, but DON'T DO IT. |
| 16:58.52 | Lee__ | thayboiMu: please don't |
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| 16:58.59 | thayboiMu | and reinstall procsc? |
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| 16:59.01 | furrywolf | eeyore: woot! I'm not the only person on the planet who knows of the existance of usb vibrators. :P |
| 16:59.05 | greycat | thayboiMu: you're being stupid. Stop. |
| 16:59.06 | biggi | thayboiMu don't do it :) |
| 16:59.08 | eeyore- | oguz: well, cdrecord doesn't believe you :-> |
| 16:59.11 | thayboiMu | oh |
| 16:59.16 | thayboiMu | i messed it up |
| 16:59.17 | biggi | could some one please help me install the mouse? i'm having some problems with it. i'm nut sure which port it is connected to and so on...please |
| 16:59.18 | thayboiMu | :( |
| 16:59.24 | greycat | thayboiMu: you can't mess up a virtual directory. |
| 16:59.29 | Overand | biggi: try looking at the back of your computer to see what port it is in |
| 16:59.30 | shingouz | why is it so hard for noobs to actually provide information, we always have to extract it with pliers |
| 16:59.32 | oguz | i have output |
| 16:59.32 | theD3viL | Has enyone HP5150? |
| 16:59.34 | thayboiMu | oh |
| 16:59.37 | Lee__ | !tell biggi about details |
| 16:59.39 | oguz | eeyore-, i have the output |
| 16:59.43 | biggi | Overand ok i know it's ps2 thinkg |
| 16:59.53 | thayboiMu | greycat, is there a way i can reinstall default value in there? |
| 16:59.54 | eeyore- | furrywolf: MSI is generally good, and VIA chipset has good support generally. unless you have a very very early VI chipset with known DMA issues, you should be fine |
| 16:59.56 | oguz | eeyore-, maybe we can talk on the output, where can i send it for you to read |
| 16:59.58 | greycat | thayboiMu: reboot |
| 16:59.58 | furrywolf | eeyore: and, no, neither board has bad capacitors. :P |
| 17:00.01 | biggi | Lee__ i was here before and i know how things here go btw |
| 17:00.15 | Lee__ | good for you |
| 17:00.15 | oguz | eeyore-, for eg: his version of cdrecord does not include DVD-R/DVD-RW support code |
| 17:00.17 | biggi | but there is not much more i can tell |
| 17:00.17 | thayboiMu | greycat, reboot it will set back to default? |
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| 17:00.21 | furrywolf | msi generally good? virtually every one they ever made has insta-explode caps... |
| 17:00.37 | shingouz | biggi: /dev/psaux should have it. |
| 17:01.07 | Overand | maybe he should do a dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:01.14 | eeyore- | furrywolf: is this the board with the buggy/faulty chipsets that would lock up under heavy DMA transfers? google around. i have a board that once i plugged in a wintv pvr250 (it's a KT133 chipset) would just die horribly silent death (corrupted IDE transfers, etc.), nothing visible |
| 17:01.22 | furrywolf | eeyore: pci=noacpi made it a LOT more stable (crashes every 30 minutes replaced with every day or two)... and I think removing cards from my bottom two PCI slots makes it even more stable. |
| 17:01.51 | furrywolf | the other box does slightly different things... instead of just crashing, the box goes out to lunch for 1-2 minutes, then comes back as if nothing happened. |
| 17:01.54 | biggi | shingouz it has it allright but then when i make that in the xfree86 the startx doesn't go. there is some kind of failure with this mouse then. |
| 17:02.04 | eeyore- | furrywolf: for my case, the KT133 is known to have DMA issues with particular bus-master expansion cards |
| 17:02.04 | greycat | biggi: WHAT VERSION OF DEBIAN? WHAT KERNEL? |
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| 17:02.22 | kurumin_ | hehe |
| 17:02.23 | biggi | greycat debian woody unstable 2.6.11-1 kernel |
| 17:02.30 | greycat | *plonk* |
| 17:02.30 | Lee__ | woah! |
| 17:02.36 | pngwn | heh |
| 17:02.38 | Lee__ | how fun |
| 17:02.40 | furrywolf | no kt133 in these boxes. :) |
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| 17:02.43 | eeyore- | furrywolf: if you can narrow it down to ACPI, why not go grab latest bios updates for your mobo? might fix a few chip setup issues |
| 17:02.45 | Overand | biggi: just for reference, so you see the word there that starts in 'un' and ends in 'stable' ? |
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| 17:02.53 | eeyore- | furrywolf: the KT133 was just an example |
| 17:02.54 | furrywolf | eeyore: already is latest bios. |
| 17:02.56 | kurumin_ | caraca naum manjo nnda de ingles porra ehhee |
| 17:02.56 | Lee__ | biggi: perhaps you should just upgrade to sarge and stop complaining |
| 17:03.00 | greycat | Overand: you mean the one which means "the exact opposite of woody"? |
| 17:03.17 | Overand | greycat: he's running on a pentium 486, obviously. |
| 17:03.25 | biggi | Overand yes. well i'm configuriong the Xes for the first time now. til now i had console for a long time. |
| 17:03.28 | eeyore- | folks, admit it ... the only way to debian is sid. everything else is horribly outdated. |
| 17:03.30 | jerome | damnit, seems I can't download libgcrypt with debootstrap |
| 17:03.32 | biggi | what is wrong with unstable? |
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| 17:03.33 | Overand | And he's running Microsoft Linux |
| 17:03.39 | Overand | biggi: are you running woody or unstable? |
| 17:03.42 | greycat | Overand: oh, I used to have one of those. but now i have an athlon pentium. |
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| 17:03.47 | Lee__ | biggi: uh, it's un-stable. |
| 17:03.53 | biggi | Overand it is unstable |
| 17:03.56 | Overand | !dict unstable |
| 17:03.58 | dpkg | Dictionary 'unstable' Unstable \Un*sta"ble\, a. [Cf. Instable.] Not stable; not firm, fixed, or constant; subject to change or overthrow. -- Un*sta"ble*ness, n. Chaucer. |
| 17:04.01 | DerSchotte | greycat: before you go AWOL on Monday (didn't you say you'ld be on FreeBSD channel?), how do I update from "sarge/testing" to "sarge/stable" ? |
| 17:04.02 | biggi | i mean, the debian unstable :) |
| 17:04.06 | takatumi | eeyore-: I am in. |
| 17:04.14 | furrywolf | eeyore: the oddest thing is the simultanious breaking of the cd-rw drives... attempting to read pegs the cpu at 100% and reads at about 1 byte/second. yet no one else has the problem... |
| 17:04.18 | greycat | DerSchotte: make sources.list say sarge instead of testing. |
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| 17:04.35 | rob_lt | !tell biggi about d-i |
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| 17:04.58 | biggi | so let's make it clear. i have to install the stable or sid version of debian to make the thing? |
| 17:05.10 | DerSchotte | rgr, thanks greycat, because that will be an FAQ in a few days :) |
| 17:05.13 | furrywolf | I can burn a dvd at 16x with 2% or so cpu usage, but reading the same dvd pegs BOTH cpus at 100%, and takes about 10 minutes to read a 1mb file. :) |
| 17:05.30 | Overand | biggi: if you're not already a debian expert, running 'unstable' is not a great idea |
| 17:05.35 | Lee__ | biggi: I think you should spend some more time reading http://www.debian.org and lear what the three different versions contain |
| 17:05.37 | rob_lt | biggi, you want to run sarge |
| 17:05.39 | eeyore- | furrywolf: you just might be unlucky enough to get bitten by 2.6 IDE issues. 2.6 IDE stack is, according to some, horribly broken beyond belief. Alan Cox got pissed at the 2.6 IDE maintainer for tripping up his work in 2.4 where he last left it for sabbatical. |
| 17:05.40 | Overand | often, things break that require a fair amount of tweaking |
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| 17:05.47 | rob_lt | biggi, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 17:05.47 | WhiteRabbit | fast dvd burning always messes up the inner tracks |
| 17:05.48 | Lee__ | s/lear/learn/ |
| 17:05.52 | takatumi | biggi: why don't you spend some time reading about the releases at debian.org before you start? |
| 17:05.58 | biggi | Overand well i'm kinda "expert" with console but not with X. like i said, first time. |
| 17:06.00 | eeyore- | furrywolf: the whole thread is available somewhere online. but, in short, you just might be bitten by the IDE problems in 2.6 :-> |
| 17:06.08 | biggi | takatumi no time for that, thank you |
| 17:06.19 | Overand | biggi: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 17:06.30 | Overand | if you don't have time for reading docs, we don't have time to help you |
| 17:06.34 | masoft | someone from Germany pm me, plz |
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| 17:06.40 | greycat | !de |
| 17:06.41 | dpkg | well, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 17:06.44 | Lee__ | woah, dpkg doesn't know about patience |
| 17:06.45 | furrywolf | eeyore: I know it's horribly broken beyond belief. the box slows down to the point where there's a 1-2 second keyboard/mouse lag until you kill the read... no non-broken kernel would do that. :P |
| 17:06.51 | DerSchotte | Yepp, I had to re-burn DVD image one with DVDx2 as WhiteRabbit said, no high speedburns |
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| 17:07.00 | Overand | furrywolf: swap hard drives |
| 17:07.08 | Overand | you said you have two boxes with the same chipset? |
| 17:07.11 | furrywolf | overand: between what and what? |
| 17:07.14 | Overand | one's crappy, one isn't, right? |
| 17:07.19 | furrywolf | no, both are crappy |
| 17:07.21 | Overand | oh. |
| 17:07.23 | Overand | heh, nevermind then |
| 17:07.28 | furrywolf | that was the whole point of mentioning it. :P |
| 17:07.31 | eeyore- | furrywolf: so you have a couple of choices ... go back to 2.4 on your IDE chipset, or get a different IDE chipset (which would necessitate swapping out motherboard, or get PCI cards for that) |
| 17:07.34 | Overand | i missed the 'both crappy' part |
| 17:07.45 | xoz | furrywolf: what version of kernel are you running? |
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| 17:07.46 | eeyore- | furrywolf: that's *if* you suspect the problem to be with 2.6 IDE + your IDE chipset |
| 17:07.51 | quittt | !beos |
| 17:07.51 | dpkg | beos is probably a graphical operating system related to unix or non-free, or ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/BeOS/, or personal edition is free, dev tools in a seperate package at previous URL. kaput D.E.D. DEAD. see haiku |
| 17:08.08 | Overand | beos =[ |
| 17:08.15 | eeyore- | furrywolf: but generally speaking, 2.6 is *not* unstable as a whole |
| 17:08.18 | Overand | one of the neatest propriertary OSes, IMO |
| 17:08.23 | furrywolf | eeyore: 2.4 can't do usb well on my boxes... |
| 17:08.30 | quittt | Overand, BeOS was great... |
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| 17:08.32 | quittt | !zeta |
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| 17:08.40 | eeyore- | furrywolf: well then you have a catch-22, right? pick the lesser of the two evils |
| 17:08.41 | furrywolf | xoz: right now .12-rc4. which is slightly less stable than .11.7. |
| 17:08.43 | coywolf | hey, anyone could help? |
| 17:08.47 | greycat | !ask |
| 17:08.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 17:09.04 | DerSchotte | Q: Promise PDC20268 and sarge d-i are happy working together right ? |
| 17:09.12 | furrywolf | eeyore: next time it crashes, I'm pulling out the bottom two PCI cards... last time I tried I think it fixed it, but I didn't test for long enough to be sure. |
| 17:09.19 | xoz | furrywolf: yeah, i also notice that ide is somehow problematic in the latest kernel |
| 17:09.21 | coywolf | sorry, wrong chann greycat |
| 17:09.24 | coywolf | sorry all |
| 17:09.25 | eeyore- | DerSchotte: i have a few PDC's in my boxes and they work just fine |
| 17:09.33 | eeyore- | DerSchotte: including the SATA variants |
| 17:09.41 | DerSchotte | k, thnxs eeyore |
| 17:09.50 | furrywolf | the promise ide controller on these boards is total crap. :) |
| 17:09.54 | furrywolf | s/ide/ide raid |
| 17:09.55 | Overand | anthropomorphic zoo |
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| 17:10.19 | quittt | !zeta |
| 17:10.19 | dpkg | zeta is probably an closed operating system basead in BeOS from Be, Inc. It is developed by yellowtab.com and it is CLOSED source, so you have to pay for it. |
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| 17:10.31 | DerSchotte | furrywolf, it's a straight PCI IDE contolled, no raid |
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| 17:10.46 | Kerr | ugh... I'm stuck in my uni's library, i need to do some work but it's in a swx file that word*spit* can't read. Is therea way i can convert it to rtf or something? |
| 17:10.49 | eeyore- | Overand: computer users have a tendency to anthropomorphize |
| 17:10.53 | furrywolf | !zeta =~ s/basead in/based on/ |
| 17:10.53 | dpkg | OK, furrywolf |
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| 17:11.38 | furrywolf | eeyore: I think I was anthropomorphizing before I was a computer user. :) |
| 17:11.48 | Overand | ohhh keen |
| 17:11.50 | Overand | it does regex |
| 17:13.16 | eightchar | having trouble w/ networking and have been over http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html multiple times |
| 17:13.28 | eightchar | can't get virtual interfaces to bind |
| 17:13.37 | eightchar | auto eth0:0 |
| 17:13.37 | eightchar | iface eth0:0 inet static |
| 17:13.46 | eightchar | in /etc/networking/interfaces? |
| 17:14.06 | asg | eightchar: do you have a real eth0 defined also? |
| 17:14.11 | furrywolf | eeyore: the one that goes out to lunch is the most interesting... the box will be working fine, then appear to hang, then 1-2 minutes later come back to life as if nothing happened. (and, yes, I've tried waiting on this one... it never comes back. :) |
| 17:14.34 | jerome | does sarge support XFS at install time ? |
| 17:14.40 | Lee__ | if I'm running sarge as the host OS for UML and a kernel.org tarball for the various guest OS's, would it be possible to build a module with m-a on the host by pointing it to the guest's kernel source? |
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| 17:15.05 | eightchar | yah, do I need the whole address, netmask, network, broadcast, gateway info for the main interface AND virtual interfaces (:0,:1,etc)? |
| 17:15.06 | xoz | eightchar: try ifconfig eth0:0 in the command line |
| 17:15.12 | greycat | jerome: I think so |
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| 17:15.31 | eightchar | miracle:/etc/network# ifconfig eth0:0 |
| 17:15.32 | eightchar | eth0:0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0B:6A:3B:58:71 |
| 17:15.32 | eightchar | UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 17:15.32 | eightchar | Interrupt:11 Base address:0xd400 |
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| 17:15.37 | eightchar | sry. |
| 17:15.52 | eightchar | no ip bound. |
| 17:15.59 | asg | eightchar: you need address and netmask at least |
| 17:16.15 | zeroC | ^^ |
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| 17:16.47 | xoz | eightchar: i think it should work. try to specify a static address and netmask in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:17.48 | jerome | greycat: oki then, DFS and knoppix seems to have problems with debootstrap today :/ |
| 17:17.56 | kimtree | eightchar:you can cover HWaddr 00:0B... information pls! |
| 17:18.00 | yaccobb | how can i tell if kernel module is disabled or not ? |
| 17:18.19 | Lee__ | yaccobb: lsmod | grep modulename |
| 17:18.21 | quittt | !SARGE |
| 17:18.21 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. Sarge is now FROZEN (no changes except bug fixes). |
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| 17:18.41 | quittt | !woody |
| 17:18.41 | yaccobb | Lee__: thanks again |
| 17:18.41 | dpkg | woody is probably the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 17:18.41 | xoz | eightchar: or for example in command line: ifconfig eth0:0 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 17:18.51 | Lee__ | yaccobb: np |
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| 17:19.46 | yaccobb | Lee__: when there is no output what does it mean ? |
| 17:19.55 | Lee__ | the module's not loaded |
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| 17:20.06 | Lee__ | lsmod by itself shows all the loaded modules |
| 17:20.42 | kimtree | which programmer can i use to play programming ? |
| 17:20.56 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 17:20.57 | Lee__ | woah |
| 17:21.21 | yaccobb | Lee__: ok, thanks |
| 17:22.02 | Gothfunc | setting up the client now, installed nfs-common, can't see any other client related packages, but mount returns the error "mount: rpc: program not registered". nfs isn't in /proc/filesystems. |
| 17:22.02 | Gothfunc | 2005-05-26 [18:13:45] <tchang> how is that impressive |
| 17:22.06 | Gothfunc | oops |
| 17:22.24 | Gothfunc | using sarge , kernel 2.6.8-2-386. any ideas? |
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| 17:22.50 | rob_lt | kimtree: what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:23.32 | anhi | n c |
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| 17:25.06 | kimtree | rob_It:i used to program on windows like java or C++ using some programming tools then how can i do the same thing on debian? |
| 17:25.19 | j_k | Gothfunc: what does 'rpcinfo -p <server>' say? is there mount and nfs? |
| 17:25.29 | Lee__ | kimtree: with a text editor and compiler? |
| 17:25.37 | j_k | Gothfunc: is portmap running on the client, too? |
| 17:25.38 | Jacobo221 | udev is creating /dev/loop/0 thought i dont' have devfs compiled in my kernel. why? |
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| 17:26.06 | kimtree | Lee__ what compiler for java ? |
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| 17:26.16 | j_k | Jacobo221: me too, no idea. Harmless anymay. |
| 17:26.30 | Gothfunc | j_k: portmap on both, mountd and nfs on server |
| 17:26.35 | j_k | s/anymay/anyway. |
| 17:27.19 | j_k | Gothfunc: ah, weird. What's the mount command you used? |
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| 17:27.37 | HansZ | Hmz.. how to configure my network to use a proxy server |
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| 17:28.04 | j_k | HansZ: you mean, how to run a proxy, or how to use an already running one? |
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| 17:28.25 | Jacobo221 | j_k: ok. but confusing anyway ;-P but well, i'll just do as if I didn't see it heh |
| 17:28.28 | HansZ | j_k: already running one |
| 17:28.33 | Lee__ | !tell kimtree about java |
| 17:28.37 | Gothfunc | j_k: fstab reads server:/dir /dir nfs rw,noauto 0 0 |
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| 17:29.00 | HansZ | and eh.. trickle isn't working because it couldent access trickled.. |
| 17:29.16 | asuffield | Gothfunc: nfs-common is all you need. most likely you're missing something from the kernel config |
| 17:29.52 | j_k | HansZ: most programs will use the http_proxy environment variable, which has to contain a URL (ie., http://proxy:8080/ or something.) Some GUI crap (ie, firefox and all) require it to be configured independently. |
| 17:29.57 | Gothfunc | i used apt-get to install 2/6/8-2-386 |
| 17:30.09 | Gothfunc | with .s instead of /s :P |
| 17:30.24 | HansZ | j_k: what's the syntax? |
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| 17:31.15 | j_k | HansZ: well, something like 'export http_proxy=http://proxy:8080/'. You'll probably want to set this in your /etc/environment file, though (see manpage). |
| 17:31.29 | xoz | Gothfunc: /etc/init.d/portmap start |
| 17:31.30 | HansZ | j_k: Ok, great, thanks |
| 17:31.33 | kimtree | HansZ:syntax is some rules |
| 17:31.41 | j_k | HansZ: the port depends on your proxy software. |
| 17:31.47 | exerd | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7(1 bug), hal(1 bug) is it safe to continue upgrade? i use sid. |
| 17:31.49 | Gothfunc | xoz: on the client? |
| 17:31.55 | xoz | Gothfunc: nfs needs the portmap for its services |
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| 17:32.07 | xoz | Gothfunc: ah... maybe? |
| 17:32.11 | HansZ | j_k: It's working :) |
| 17:32.18 | HansZ | One more problem.. |
| 17:32.22 | Gothfunc | portmap is already running xoz |
| 17:32.22 | j_k | xoz: he runs this already, I think. |
| 17:32.29 | HansZ | Trickle doesn't seems to work for me, it says it can't access trickled |
| 17:32.57 | xoz | ls /proc/filesystems |
| 17:33.00 | j_k | HansZ: what's trickle? |
| 17:33.01 | xoz | less /proc/filesystems |
| 17:33.05 | xoz | less /proc/filesystems |
| 17:33.24 | HansZ | j_k: bandwith shaper.. I really need to limit my download speed, that crappy apt-get doesn't support that :/ |
| 17:33.34 | xoz | oops, wrong window |
| 17:33.39 | Gothfunc | xoz: nfs isn't there |
| 17:33.44 | j_k | HansZ: well, it's not its job! |
| 17:33.52 | HansZ | j_k: :) |
| 17:34.10 | xoz | Gothfunc: exportfs ... shows the exported files? |
| 17:34.10 | yaccobb | is there some list of additional debian package servers ? |
| 17:34.15 | j_k | Gothfunc: maybe modprobe it and try again, but it should be loaded automatically. |
| 17:34.26 | HansZ | j_k: do you know some more global limiters around? |
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| 17:34.38 | anhi | yaccobb: apt-get.org |
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| 17:34.43 | Helix_ | Hi all |
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| 17:35.15 | Helix_ | I have a big problem with SSH |
| 17:35.18 | j_k | HansZ: I can't get what you mean. Things that make mounting NFS fail? Well, iptable rules and the stuff.. |
| 17:35.27 | K_Dallas | what program i could use to capture videos from my analog camcorder? it is connected thru usb? Thanks |
| 17:35.29 | xbaez | what problema |
| 17:35.37 | Helix_ | A non-root user cannot ssh a box, even localhost |
| 17:35.39 | Lee__ | could someone recommend a small httpd with cgi and ssl support that's not Apache? |
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| 17:35.53 | Helix_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.54 | Helix_ | Host key verification failed. |
| 17:35.54 | necrite | hi all |
| 17:36.00 | Gothfunc | trying stuff now |
| 17:36.08 | IDC | night,all |
| 17:36.24 | HansZ | j_k: NFS? your confusing me and yourself :) |
| 17:36.31 | eeyore- | Lee__: why not apache? |
| 17:36.33 | kimtree | Lee__ resin |
| 17:36.38 | HansZ | j_k: just something that can limit my global download speed |
| 17:36.42 | j_k | Helix_: the host key has changed since the last time you ssh'ed localhost. |
| 17:36.47 | Lee__ | eeyore-: too big. I'm shooting for an embedded system |
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| 17:36.57 | Helix_ | j_k: no, known_hosts files are emptu |
| 17:36.58 | kimtree | Lee__ tomcat |
| 17:36.59 | Helix_ | empty |
| 17:37.14 | Lee__ | tomcat depends on java. that's the opposite of small. |
| 17:37.15 | j_k | Helix_: maybe it's not the same host, maybe you reinstalled the system/ssh daemon, maybe someone's fucking something up. |
| 17:37.34 | xbaez | helix, clean .ssh in the home user |
| 17:37.40 | Helix_ | ssh 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:37.41 | Helix_ | Host key verification failed. |
| 17:37.41 | Lee__ | I noticed mini-httpd isn't in Debian anywhere |
| 17:37.41 | eeyore- | helix: rm ~/.ssh/known_host --- that's the lazyman's approach |
| 17:37.45 | j_k | HansZ: ah, i'm confusing you and Gothfunc. Sorry, I don't know. |
| 17:37.46 | necrite | can i customize my cd images with jigdo ? |
| 17:37.54 | yaccobb | anhi: thanks, that's what i wanted. |
| 17:38.00 | Helix_ | j_k: rm -rf ~/.ssh/, already tried |
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| 17:38.17 | HansZ | j_k: ok no problem |
| 17:38.25 | Helix_ | rm -f /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts, already tried too |
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| 17:38.44 | kimtree | Lee__ but i use tomcat and resin to run my website |
| 17:38.46 | Helix_ | http://julienhuang.com/~helix/ssh_config |
| 17:38.47 | kimtree | well |
| 17:38.49 | eeyore- | helix: if you did in fact remove it, then you couldn't possibly get mismatch hostkey message |
| 17:38.52 | Helix_ | http://julienhuang.com/~helix/sshd_config |
| 17:38.56 | Lee__ | kimtree: that's nice. thanks for the advice. |
| 17:39.05 | helix | :| |
| 17:39.11 | greycat | double helix again |
| 17:39.13 | eeyore- | Helix_: ^^ |
| 17:39.19 | Helix_ | lol |
| 17:39.22 | kimtree | Lee__ youre welcome |
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| 17:39.32 | Gothfunc | exportfs shows the export |
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| 17:39.57 | Gothfunc | modprobe does something, but still the same error |
| 17:40.01 | xbaez | Helix_, you just must had remove the a line in know-host |
| 17:40.14 | greycat | Helix_: perhaps you should run the sshd in debug mode for a bit... |
| 17:40.16 | Helix_ | xbaez: I've said that known_hosts files are empty |
| 17:40.19 | xoz | Helix_: are you using udev? |
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| 17:40.29 | Helix_ | xoz: completely not |
| 17:40.31 | eeyore- | helix: it can't possibly be. ssh gets the host key from that file |
| 17:40.48 | eeyore- | Helix_: the fact that it refers to a mismatch host key means it has some ways of finding an existing host key |
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| 17:40.54 | saabin | hello |
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| 17:41.12 | Helix_ | Here is the debug output from ssh (-vvv): http://julienhuang.com/~helix/ssh_pb |
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| 17:41.28 | asg | FieldySnuts: that's why it's got a big head and tail |
| 17:41.30 | greycat | client-side -v never helps... |
| 17:41.35 | xoz | Helix_: check this http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/securityfocus/Secure_Shell/2004-11/0073.html |
| 17:41.37 | eeyore- | alias helix=Helix_ |
| 17:41.47 | Helix_ | ls -l .ssh/ |
| 17:41.47 | Helix_ | total 0 |
| 17:41.48 | saabin | I have /bin/myscript < /tmp/file or stdin. How to capture what is being sent in bash? |
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| 17:42.06 | greycat | STOP ASKING IN TWO PLACES AT ONCE! |
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| 17:42.17 | paulswm | o.O |
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| 17:43.14 | Helix_ | xoz: I've already looked at this link, and it's specific to udev |
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| 17:43.28 | TNKS | hello all. I forget. Given the device files in /dev, say for a mouse, what's the simple way to look at a ASCII dump of the character inputs of these files (to see which files are attached to which device)? |
| 17:43.51 | TNKS | I tried a cat, but that wasn't it. |
| 17:43.54 | xoz | Helix_: have you tried generating/regenerating ~.ssh/ ? |
| 17:44.02 | jim2 | looking for a configuration tool for 3c509 no-jumper, isa |
| 17:44.22 | Helix_ | xoz: Yep, I've rm -rf it, and it was regenerated by the ssh program, but doesn't work too |
| 17:44.23 | Gothfunc | any more bright ideas j_k? :P |
| 17:44.45 | jim2 | I have bright ideas! use a light when reading! |
| 17:45.04 | Gothfunc | what if it's sunny? |
| 17:45.09 | Gothfunc | that would be wasteful |
| 17:45.13 | eightchar | virtual interface still does not bind w/ ifconfig eth0:0 IP netmask NETMASK |
| 17:45.35 | asg | eightchar: custom kernel or debian kernel? |
| 17:45.59 | xoz | Helix_: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 17:47.01 | Gothfunc | does "mount: RPC: Program not registered" imply a problem with the client, the server, or either |
| 17:47.02 | Gothfunc | ? |
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| 17:47.53 | asg | Gothfunc: probably that portmap isn't running |
| 17:48.05 | xoz | Gothfunc: portmap problem |
| 17:48.07 | Helix_ | http://julienhuang.com/~helix/sshd_debug |
| 17:48.22 | Sauron21 | hi guys....I was wondering if anyone know of a script of a program that lets you pick out parts of a text.....something like the first 3 lines....then next 3 lines.....and so on....... |
| 17:48.23 | Gothfunc | portmap is running, i even downloaded the latest version |
| 17:48.24 | Sauron21 | ?? |
| 17:48.26 | xoz | Gothfunc: check /etc/portmap.conf if it is bind to localhost only |
| 17:48.34 | Gothfunc | ok |
| 17:48.40 | Gothfunc | on the server or client? |
| 17:48.40 | bbrazil | Sauron21: what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:48.43 | Helix_ | sorry : http://julienhuang.com/~helix/ssh_debug |
| 17:48.45 | Gothfunc | cause that was my question :) |
| 17:48.50 | asg | Gothfunc: both |
| 17:48.57 | Gothfunc | right |
| 17:49.00 | xoz | Gothfunc: make sure the option -i <address> is bound to your ip address |
| 17:49.00 | eightchar | Asg: debian |
| 17:49.12 | eightchar | asg: default install |
| 17:49.25 | Sauron21 | I am trying to make a text changer for karamba....and I am looking for a script that can do that..... |
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| 17:49.26 | eightchar | don't even know what release |
| 17:49.27 | eightchar | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 17:49.34 | asg | !idepci |
| 17:49.35 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Jebus cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 17:49.38 | bbrazil | Sauron21: try perl |
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| 17:49.48 | asg | eightchar: that kernel might not have virtual ip support, install 2.4.18 |
| 17:49.51 | DerSchotte | Any chance of having a 'debian' command added that shows release/kernel version ? |
| 17:50.00 | Lee__ | DerSchotte: uname -a |
| 17:50.02 | nickv111 | Hmm... For some reason, my sshd on my new UML sid system always drops connections. It happens like this: |
| 17:50.03 | asg | DerSchotte: uname |
| 17:50.05 | nickv111 | bash-2.05b$ ssh 192.168.1.6 -p 2223 |
| 17:50.07 | nickv111 | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 17:50.08 | Sauron21 | ok....but the problem is that I dont know anything about perl codes..... |
| 17:50.10 | eightchar | oh mah baby jebus |
| 17:50.12 | bbrazil | DerSchotte: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:50.21 | nickv111 | When I use PAM, it just does "Connection closed by 192.168.1.6" |
| 17:50.31 | eightchar | 3.0! |
| 17:50.49 | Helix_ | xoz: http://julienhuang.com/~helix/ssh_debug, have you any ideas ? |
| 17:51.11 | bbrazil | Sauron21: I'm bored so if you give me sampel input and output I'll throw something together - if I can do it in a one liner |
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| 17:51.22 | xoz | Helix_: have you upgraded your packages? |
| 17:51.34 | Helix_ | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade done |
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| 17:51.50 | nickv111 | Helix_: That's like what I get |
| 17:52.13 | bbrazil | Helix_: vim ./ssh/known_hosts and remove the 127.0.0.1 line |
| 17:52.32 | nickv111 | Helix_: Actually, mine's different |
| 17:52.43 | Helix_ | ls -l ~/.ssh |
| 17:52.43 | Helix_ | total 0 |
| 17:52.50 | Sauron21 | sampel input and output?....well....my karamba theme is pretty easy...you just click on the "onclick" area....and then the text that is inside a frame changes from the first 3 lines in a text file....to the next 3 lines..... |
| 17:52.55 | bbrazil | Helix_: then check out /etc/sshd/known_hosts |
| 17:52.58 | Helix_ | bbrazil: I don't have to remove amything |
| 17:52.58 | DerSchotte | cat /etc/debian_version = "3.1", uname -r = "2.4.27", two commands to find out what we are talking about, AND I'm using a custom kernel. I think a 'what does debian show" would really help here |
| 17:53.11 | yaccobb | is there any gui for setting up apache ? |
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| 17:53.20 | asg | DerSchotte: then code one. man bash |
| 17:53.22 | Nick0r2 | hi guys im having major problems with my box |
| 17:53.27 | Lee__ | DerSchotte: shouldn't be hard. whip one up and submit it. |
| 17:53.32 | Nick0r2 | it seems that after 2 reboots not even apache will startup |
| 17:53.38 | xoz | Helix_: try ssh-keygen |
| 17:53.40 | Helix_ | ls -l /etc/ssh/ |
| 17:53.40 | Helix_ | total 124 |
| 17:53.40 | Helix_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 88039 Nov 22 2004 moduli |
| 17:53.40 | Helix_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1113 May 26 19:31 ssh_config |
| 17:53.40 | Helix_ | -rw------- 1 root root 668 May 26 17:57 ssh_host_dsa_key |
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| 17:53.45 | Nick0r2 | it just holds there forever |
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| 17:53.56 | jim2 | damn! helix flooding? |
| 17:53.56 | Helix_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 229 May 26 17:56 ssh_host_rsa_key.pub |
| 17:53.58 | Seb | Nick0r2: what holds ? |
| 17:53.58 | Helix_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2045 May 26 18:41 sshd_config |
| 17:53.59 | asg | Nick0r2: have you check your logs |
| 17:53.59 | jethro | !pal Helix_ |
| 17:54.00 | Helix_ | Sorry :/ |
| 17:54.00 | asg | Helix_: stop it |
| 17:54.06 | greycat | jim2: the other Helix_ |
| 17:54.09 | Nick0r2 | Seb: apache |
| 17:54.11 | Seb | heh |
| 17:54.11 | Nick0r2 | when I start it... |
| 17:54.14 | Nick0r2 | doesn't actually start |
| 17:54.18 | Nick0r2 | it just waits |
| 17:54.20 | Seb | Nick0r2: can you control-c it ? |
| 17:54.26 | Nick0r2 | nothing in the logs |
| 17:54.26 | Nick0r2 | yes Seb |
| 17:54.28 | Nick0r2 | that's what I have to do |
| 17:54.32 | jethro | !tell Nick0r2 -about enter |
| 17:54.33 | Seb | Nick0r2: strace it then |
| 17:54.33 | paolob | Hy guys! upgrading apache, the server doesn't accept connections anymore. What conf file should I modify? thank you! |
| 17:54.43 | DerSchotte | ok, I was just thinking aloud *just whip one" *make* one etc is good enough, but don't get disappointed with what I whip up :) |
| 17:54.48 | Seb | /etc/apache/**/* |
| 17:54.53 | Seb | paolob: ^ |
| 17:55.00 | Nick0r2 | explain what you mean Seb? |
| 17:55.12 | Seb | Nick0r2: strace apachectl start |
| 17:55.20 | Nick0r2 | I just had a problem where the box used ALL of its swap |
| 17:55.24 | Nick0r2 | there was like 500mb left |
| 17:55.26 | Nick0r2 | or less |
| 17:55.32 | Nick0r2 | and i had to reboot |
| 17:55.34 | Seb | Nick0r2: please *start your lines* with my nick |
| 17:55.41 | xoz | !tell Nick0r2 about enter |
| 17:55.44 | Seb | Nick0r2: and stop fucking using so many lines please |
| 17:55.47 | Nick0r2 | sorry |
| 17:55.49 | jethro | Nick0r2: and don't use enter every 5 words |
| 17:55.50 | bbrazil | Sauron21: I don't know enough about your application to help you |
| 17:55.52 | Seb | heheh |
| 17:56.02 | Seb | angry crowd ain't we ? :> |
| 17:56.11 | Nick0r2 | Seb: installing strace now.. :) |
| 17:56.15 | Seb | Nick0r2: good boy |
| 17:56.23 | Nick0r2 | Seb: it's mega lagged though, I dunno how long it will take |
| 17:56.28 | Helix_ | So no idea about my problem ? |
| 17:56.31 | Seb | anyone has any fun story to share ? |
| 17:56.33 | Nick0r2 | Err ftp://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main strace 4.5.8-1.2 |
| 17:56.33 | Nick0r2 | Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org' |
| 17:56.39 | Nick0r2 | oh dear Seb :( |
| 17:56.46 | abrotman | Seb: i do .. but it's totally OT |
| 17:56.48 | Seb | Nick0r2: fix your network and try again |
| 17:56.53 | Seb | abrotman: please go ahead |
| 17:57.01 | abrotman | Seb: can't .. too long .. i'd ban me :) |
| 17:57.02 | xoz | Helix_:have you ssh-keygen? |
| 17:57.03 | Nick0r2 | network is fine |
| 17:57.04 | Seb | i might die of boredom oethrwise |
| 17:57.08 | asg | Helix_: your earlier paste indicated /root's known_hosts was the culprit. does ~/.ssh in your examples to know really map to /root/.ssh |
| 17:57.09 | Seb | abrotman: email ? :) |
| 17:57.11 | abrotman | Seb: install enigma |
| 17:57.21 | abrotman | Seb: or ask tarzeau about bub-n-bros |
| 17:57.34 | asg | s/know/now/ |
| 17:57.39 | Seb | abrotman: console :\ |
| 17:57.45 | Nick0r2 | Seb, the network is fine.. |
| 17:57.48 | Sauron21 | I can pretty much any kind of script with karamba.....so its just about what the code is....I am trying to find a script that change from the first 3 lines in a text fil....to the next 3 line....thats it..... |
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| 17:57.50 | abrotman | Seb: robotfindskitten! |
| 17:57.57 | Seb | Nick0r2: obviouysly not since it can't resolve |
| 17:57.59 | jim2 | seb: there ya go... see, I'm trying to do something here that's on topic; not appropriate for you to encourage mass off-topic traffic |
| 17:58.00 | Nick0r2 | Seb,it's more something to do with the box |
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| 17:58.18 | smo_ | hi |
| 17:58.20 | Nick0r2 | Seb, I just tried to restart bind, it stopped it, but on starting it just hangs again :S |
| 17:58.20 | Seb | Nick0r2: dude figure ouyt why it's not resolving properly |
| 17:58.25 | Nick0r2 | ^ |
| 17:58.30 | smo_ | how can i verify sssh is working and listening port 22?? |
| 17:58.37 | asg | smo_: netstat |
| 17:58.42 | Seb | Nick0r2: use top, find ouyt what's sucking up all your resources |
| 17:58.46 | smo_ | clearly |
| 17:58.50 | Seb | smo_: sudo netstat -pant |
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| 17:58.57 | jim2 | smo: that, and try to get in from another machine (or even the same machine to localhost) |
| 17:58.59 | smo_ | k |
| 17:59.04 | smo_ | thx |
| 17:59.05 | Seb | abrotman: robotsfindkitten ? :) |
| 17:59.05 | smo_ | i try |
| 17:59.07 | Helix_ | ash: I have no problem to use ssh with root, but other user doesn't work |
| 17:59.11 | xoz | smo_: or nmap localhost |
| 17:59.16 | abrotman | Seb: apt-cache show robotfindskitten |
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| 17:59.23 | Helix_ | xoz: Yes, I've used ssh-keygen |
| 17:59.25 | Nick0r2 | Seb |
| 17:59.25 | Nick0r2 | Cpu(s): 2.0% user, 4.7% system, 0.0% nice, 93.3% idle |
| 17:59.25 | Nick0r2 | Mem: 506260k total, 224336k used, 281924k free, 9780k buffers |
| 17:59.25 | Nick0r2 | Swap: 2097136k total, 0k used, 2097136k free, 159716k cached |
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| 17:59.37 | Nick0r2 | appears fine? |
| 17:59.40 | xoz | Helix_: are you using sid? |
| 17:59.41 | asg | don't ever do that again |
| 17:59.43 | smo_ | ok -pant is good |
| 17:59.44 | FieldySnuts | !pee on Nick0r2 |
| 17:59.51 | jim2 | looking for a configuration tool for 3c509 no-jumper, isa... I want to make sure it's doing pnp (yes... I know... but I know what I'm doing and I have my reasons which I'll explain after installing the card) |
| 17:59.55 | smo_ | working for i ll try on my friend pc |
| 18:00.05 | Nick0r2 | That was only three lines from top |
| 18:00.05 | FieldySnuts | config tool for isa == your fingers and jumpers |
| 18:00.07 | smo_ | me |
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| 18:00.30 | FieldySnuts | Nick0r2: in a large channel it takes much less to be considered a flood. you can google for a pastebot if you have more, or ask people to join #flood and do it there |
| 18:00.34 | Helix_ | xoz: Debian 1:3.4p1-1.woody.3 |
| 18:00.35 | jim2 | fieldysnuts: read again... it has no jumpers |
| 18:00.38 | asg | jim2: modinfo <kernel module for your card> |
| 18:00.44 | Eclipser | is there a command line program to convert TGA images to PNG? |
| 18:00.45 | asg | jim2: see if it lets you set params |
| 18:00.48 | FieldySnuts | is and no jumpers? wtf? geez get real hardware |
| 18:00.52 | Nick0r2 | Seb, #flood please |
| 18:00.55 | FieldySnuts | s/is/isa/ |
| 18:00.56 | Seb | Eclipser: convert from imagemagick |
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| 18:01.06 | Seb | Nick0r2: nah I don't intend to read top for ya |
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| 18:01.10 | Nick0r2 | its only 3 lines |
| 18:01.13 | Nick0r2 | to show everything is fine |
| 18:01.16 | Nick0r2 | I don't know what's wrong |
| 18:01.21 | peterS | Eclipser: tga2ppm then pnmtopng? |
| 18:01.22 | Nick0r2 | could it be dodgy ram? |
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| 18:01.29 | nomed^ | if i apt-get install <pkge> and Depends: pkge1 | pkge2 , pkge3 and so on |
| 18:01.30 | cahoot | Eclipser: mogrify (form same package) if several files |
| 18:01.33 | Seb | Nick0r2: install strace |
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| 18:01.51 | nomed^ | how does apt chose which one between pkge2 and pkge3 ? |
| 18:01.54 | xoz | Helix_: no more ideas. gotta sleep...night. |
| 18:02.08 | jim2 | asg: I need to set the card to pnp. that's -all- I need to do now, -not- try the card. |
| 18:02.47 | nickv111 | Hmm, I set up telnetd on the server and telneting to it works fine. However, this is insecure. |
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| 18:03.16 | FarrisG | anybody here work at samsung? :) |
| 18:03.38 | Seb | jim2: maybe some option to the module for this card ? |
| 18:03.43 | jim2 | NO |
| 18:03.55 | Seb | nickv111: why not use ssh ? |
| 18:03.58 | jim2 | it has nothing to do with the module... that's USING the card |
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| 18:04.09 | nickv111 | Seb: It's broken |
| 18:04.15 | Seb | jim2: dude, yelling is not gonna help |
| 18:04.26 | jim2 | not yelling isn't helping either |
| 18:04.34 | Seb | jim2: lemme rephrase |
| 18:04.41 | jim2 | no, please don't |
| 18:04.49 | nickv111 | Seb: For some reason, the ssh server is dropping all connections. The following is the error message: |
| 18:04.52 | nickv111 | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). |
| 18:04.54 | jim2 | because I have my reasons for what I'm doing |
| 18:04.55 | shingouz | jim2: either go to the 3com website, grab the driver floppy for the card, make a bootable dos floppy and run 3c5x9cfg.exe or check the linux version of it (3c5x9cfg) |
| 18:05.00 | Seb | jim2: yelling will lower your chances of getting help |
| 18:05.00 | Nick0r2 | Seb strace installed |
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| 18:05.11 | Seb | Nick0r2: now run the line I gave above |
| 18:05.14 | nickv111 | Seb: -v isn't helping at all. Neither is -vvv |
| 18:05.15 | jim2 | I ONLY want to set the card to pnp. that's ALL I want to do now. |
| 18:05.22 | Nick0r2 | ok |
| 18:05.25 | nickv111 | !tell jim2 about caps |
| 18:05.29 | Nick0r2 | its doing loads of stuff Sebs |
| 18:05.31 | shingouz | jim2: the tool i mentioned does just that |
| 18:05.32 | jethro | nickv111: did you check the bts ? |
| 18:05.37 | nickv111 | jethro: Yeah |
| 18:05.43 | Seb | jim2: forget about the fucking caps dude, how do we have to say it ? |
| 18:05.47 | DerSchotte | Is this enough ? /usr/bin/debina |
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| 18:05.49 | jim2 | !tell nickv111 about msg the bot for helpers |
| 18:06.06 | Nick0r2 | Seb, it's pasting tons of code |
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| 18:06.09 | DerSchotte | #!/bin/sh |
| 18:06.09 | DerSchotte | # |
| 18:06.09 | DerSchotte | # Show debian / kernel information |
| 18:06.09 | DerSchotte | # |
| 18:06.10 | DerSchotte | DEB_VERSION=`cat /etc/debian_version` |
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| 18:06.14 | Seb | Nick0r2: well at some point it should hang |
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| 18:06.36 | DerSchotte | Output: debian: Debian: 3.1, Kernel: Linux server 2.4.27 #12 Tue May 17 04:37:24 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:06.40 | Seb | DerSchotte: that was more than enough |
| 18:06.44 | Seb | DerSchotte: now quit it |
| 18:06.44 | DerSchotte | for my system |
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| 18:07.01 | cn_ | hey i use kernel 2.4 and usbmouse what modules do i need? |
| 18:07.13 | jim2 | then please stop trying to solve a problem I have solved already... I just need to know what package the 3c509 config tool is. that's it, end of story |
| 18:07.34 | jim2 | I don't need the module, I already have that |
| 18:07.41 | cn_ | in 2.6 i use usbhid usbmouse mousedev |
| 18:07.53 | jethro | nickv111: would you mind rephrasing your problem? I jumped in late, and can't lastlog is too big for me to want to search through it. I m willing to help though, if you don't mind repeating |
| 18:07.57 | jim2 | and I already understand how to use it and I am aware of the modinfo command |
| 18:07.58 | DerSchotte | Seb, I asked earlier about a 'simple' debian command that we can use here |
| 18:08.04 | jethro | s/can't// |
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| 18:08.22 | DerSchotte | my output: debian: Debian: 3.1, Kernel: Linux server 2.4.27 #12 Tue May 17 04:37:24 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:08.54 | nickv111 | jethro: OK. What happens is that my server keeps closing the conncetion right before I can enter my password |
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| 18:09.09 | plugwash | anyone know if debian is still on target to release sarge the end of this month? |
| 18:09.23 | shingouz | plugwash: your guess is as good as anyones |
| 18:09.25 | Nick0r2 | Seb it hangs here |
| 18:09.25 | Nick0r2 | rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {0x8075fa0, [], SA_RESTORER, 0x400896f8}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 |
| 18:09.25 | Nick0r2 | waitpid(-1, |
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| 18:09.28 | nickv111 | jethro: Right when the client is about to try keyboard-interactive, the server closes the connection for some strange reason. Setting the server to DEBUG3 and reading the logs doesn't help me |
| 18:09.36 | DerSchotte | plugwash: you mean Monday, I've nothing different |
| 18:09.37 | caphuso | plugwash: you'll see in a couple of days |
| 18:09.40 | jethro | nickv111: grep -i password /etc/ssh/sshd_config. what does it say? |
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| 18:09.56 | S4nD3r_ | Who is connecting using Agere modem ??? |
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| 18:09.59 | Seb | nickv111: paste the 6 lines above that in #flood |
| 18:10.04 | glick | excuse me how can i check the state of my battery using acpi? |
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| 18:10.25 | Seb | glick: acpi :] |
| 18:10.26 | DerSchotte | glick: You mean CMOS bat ? |
| 18:10.29 | jim2 | jethro: maybe you can help... you know about the 3c509 config tool that was originally on a dos floppy that came with the card that got ported to or rewritten for linux -- and then packaged? I just want that package to install |
| 18:10.37 | glick | DerSchotte, no my power battery |
| 18:10.42 | Seb | glick: just old ya |
| 18:10.48 | jethro | jim2: I just don't care about the 3c509 config tool, but thanks anyway |
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| 18:10.56 | glick | Seb, the command acpi is not found on my system |
| 18:11.07 | Seb | glick: install it then |
| 18:11.13 | jim2 | jethro: I'm not asking if you care... I'm asking if you know what package it's in |
| 18:11.13 | jethro | jim2: ask the channel, not specific users |
| 18:11.16 | greycat | there's an acpi *command*? since when? |
| 18:11.17 | glick | what do i need Seb ? |
| 18:11.22 | jim2 | I did that |
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| 18:11.29 | Nick0r2 | Seb, any idea what this is: tmpfs 248M 0 248M 0% /dev/shm |
| 18:11.31 | jethro | jim2: take that for a "no I don't" I first misread you but it still applies partly |
| 18:11.39 | shingouz | jim2: apt-cache search 3com |
| 18:11.44 | Seb | Nick0r2: that's fine |
| 18:11.45 | asg | greycat: acpi: usr/bin/acpi |
| 18:11.48 | jethro | jim2: also /msg dpkg search |
| 18:11.53 | paulswm | greycat: there is an acpi command |
| 18:11.57 | Nick0r2 | Seb, something is *really* unresponsive and its not cpu/mem |
| 18:12.06 | Seb | Nick0r2: why not paste what I asked instead of wild guessing ? |
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| 18:12.15 | Nick0r2 | Seb, I did |
| 18:12.19 | Seb | greycat: apt-get install acpi |
| 18:12.19 | Nick0r2 | (19:14:53) (Nick0r2) Seb it hangs here |
| 18:12.19 | Nick0r2 | (19:14:53) (Nick0r2) rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {0x8075fa0, [], SA_RESTORER, 0x400896f8}, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 |
| 18:12.28 | Seb | Nick0r2: you ought to read mate |
| 18:12.33 | FieldySnuts | @lart Nick0r2 |
| 18:12.39 | Seb | 11:10:03 Seb | nickv111: paste the 6 lines above that in #flood |
| 18:12.40 | jethro | nickv111: don't /msg again please. if you really want password authentication, why do you have that : 20:11:56 nickv111 | PasswordAuthentication no |
| 18:12.41 | jim2 | you shouldn't paste to the channel |
| 18:12.42 | Seb | that was for ya |
| 18:12.42 | FieldySnuts | that's a new one |
| 18:12.52 | Nick0r2 | oh |
| 18:12.54 | glick | how can i see how much time i have on my batteries? |
| 18:12.55 | DerSchotte | glick: I know of UPS batteries, what is an ACPI battry, please enlighten me |
| 18:13.01 | jethro | nickv111: I suggest you set PasswordAuthentication yes, then password authentication would work quite better |
| 18:13.05 | shingouz | jim2: paste in #flood then |
| 18:13.11 | asg | glick: acpi -t |
| 18:13.14 | glick | DerSchotte, the power batteries in my laptop |
| 18:13.15 | Seb | glick: you kidding right ? |
| 18:13.23 | asg | glick: and you get the thermals for free |
| 18:13.24 | jim2 | tell the paster that, I'm not intending to paste anything |
| 18:13.34 | jim2 | nickwhatever |
| 18:13.37 | Nick0r2 | Seb, done |
| 18:13.39 | S4nD3r_ | If I buy a DSL modem, I may use to dial connect? |
| 18:13.39 | DerSchotte | Oh, rgr, sorry on my desktop atm. fair enough |
| 18:13.53 | sparr__ | test |
| 18:13.53 | sparr__ | can anyone see this? |
| 18:13.58 | abrotman | greycat: when it says sagan.freenode has someone banned .. what does that mean? |
| 18:13.59 | jim2 | no, can't see it |
| 18:14.00 | nickv111 | sparr__: No |
| 18:14.01 | cahoot | can you? |
| 18:14.03 | paulswm | No, I can't. |
| 18:14.11 | jim2 | !test |
| 18:14.11 | dpkg | Yes, jim2, you're still online. |
| 18:14.13 | MDC | I get this error message when trying to install/remove any kernel package: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: device /dev/sda2 is not a block device. Mount says that my / is /dev/sda2; that's cool until I do cat /proc/partitions and get that there isn't a partition named sda2 only sda, sdb, sdb1, sdb2 etc... What is totally wrong?? Running kernel 2.6.10-1-k7 |
| 18:14.14 | greycat | abrotman: the servers reinstituted a ban after a netsplit |
| 18:14.22 | glick | asg, oh i have to be on battery power before i get a time estimate? |
| 18:14.37 | shingouz | glick: of course |
| 18:14.41 | asg | glick: or have batteries that are not 100% |
| 18:14.49 | abrotman | greycat: someguy msg'ed me saying his IP is banned .. and he'd like to enter .. i don't have a clue why .. he said someone from his IP was trolling but it wasn't him |
| 18:14.56 | jethro | nickv111: if you're puzzled with likewise stuff, I'd rather not use sid if I were you |
| 18:15.03 | sparr__ | omg |
| 18:15.05 | sparr__ | [13:18:37] <sparr__> can anyone see this? |
| 18:15.07 | glick | my main battery only goes to 99 % |
| 18:15.07 | sparr__ | [13:26:01] <nickv111> sparr__: No |
| 18:15.08 | Nick0r2 | does anyone know how you can diagnose a dodgy disk? |
| 18:15.09 | sparr__ | talk about lag |
| 18:15.17 | paulswm | Someone ought to hard code time estimate of 'forever' for mains power |
| 18:15.23 | jim2 | therewego... nictools-nopci |
| 18:15.34 | nickv111 | jethro: What would you recommend I use? Woody? The problem I have with woody is that all the packages are ancient |
| 18:15.41 | jethro | nickv111: sarge |
| 18:15.45 | abrotman | greycat: do i have to have him talk to someone ? .. or just tell him he's SOL ? |
| 18:15.47 | paulswm | Nick0r2: the manufacturer's diagnostics |
| 18:15.53 | nickv111 | jethro: OK, I'll try sarge |
| 18:15.55 | Nick0r2 | ok |
| 18:15.56 | greycat | abrotman: use your own judgment |
| 18:16.00 | nickv111 | jethro: Can you downgrade? |
| 18:16.03 | jethro | nickv111: no |
| 18:16.08 | shingouz | Nick0r2: smartmontools help too |
| 18:16.11 | S4nD3r_ | tell me a modem CARD that is availlable to linux ? |
| 18:16.14 | nickv111 | jethro: OK, so I'll just reinstall then |
| 18:16.16 | abrotman | greycat: he says there are 80 others on his IP .. natted .. they apparently killed the troll |
| 18:16.23 | Nick0r2 | I found the problem, my DNS doesn't seem to be working |
| 18:16.25 | jethro | nickv111: well maybe you can wait, and then track sarge, but I d rather install sarge from scratch |
| 18:16.26 | Nick0r2 | how can I fix this? |
| 18:16.30 | DerSchotte | nickv111: sarge 'should' release Monday so SARGE |
| 18:16.36 | Nick0r2 | when I do an init.d/bind start it just hangs |
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| 18:16.46 | Seb | Nick0r2: uninstall bind, use your provider's DNS |
| 18:16.47 | glick | i think ima try out ubuntu |
| 18:16.50 | jethro | DerSchotte: where did you get this monday? |
| 18:16.54 | shingouz | S4nD3r_: any hardware modem. they are there but cost an arm and a leg, the externals are a bit cheaper |
| 18:16.57 | greycat | jethro: wishful thinking |
| 18:16.59 | J_P | have anyone debian version for run in HP jornada 720 ? |
| 18:16.59 | DerSchotte | 30Th May |
| 18:17.00 | Nick0r2 | Seb, no I need my own |
| 18:17.09 | Seb | glick: yeah, do that. ANd /part debian && /join #ubuntu too |
| 18:17.10 | paulswm | S4nD3r_: US Robotics harware based modems work well |
| 18:17.11 | jethro | I m like St Thomas |
| 18:17.15 | Seb | Nick0r2: you do ? |
| 18:17.15 | S4nD3r_ | shingouz, I understand |
| 18:17.20 | Nick0r2 | Seb, yes for my domains |
| 18:17.21 | glick | Seb, ? |
| 18:17.24 | S4nD3r_ | paulswm, those are expensive |
| 18:17.27 | sepski | DerSchotte, there are still about 50 release critical bugs, so you better start bugsquashing if you want to hold that timeframe |
| 18:17.29 | S4nD3r_ | Im so pour |
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| 18:17.39 | Seb | heh |
| 18:17.42 | Seb | "poor" |
| 18:17.42 | shingouz | S4nD3r_: get a used modem then |
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| 18:17.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: bub-n-bros now? |
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| 18:18.03 | tarzeau | Seb: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net #bub-n-bros |
| 18:18.07 | S4nD3r_ | shingouz, do you have one ? |
| 18:18.19 | ciaron | where does Bind log to by default? |
| 18:18.20 | shingouz | S4nD3r_: a few but i need them |
| 18:18.24 | paulswm | S4nD3r_: IOCP (Internet Over Carrier Pigeon) :P |
| 18:18.24 | DerSchotte | I was quoting the time line as posted in the deve list |
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| 18:18.40 | Seb | tarzeau: i wish I had x running here :) |
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| 18:18.51 | Seb | tarzeau: ya still on hold for that DD thing ? |
| 18:18.58 | tarzeau | Seb: ouf! not even windows , or mac os x? |
| 18:19.08 | tarzeau | Seb: yeah :) where do i know you from? |
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| 18:19.10 | cn_ | hey |
| 18:19.18 | cn_ | i have usbmouse and using 2.4 kernel |
| 18:19.19 | Seb | tarzeau: it's a work computer, can't install much |
| 18:19.22 | cn_ | what modules do i need? |
| 18:19.31 | Seb | tarzeau: been using #debian since 1999 man :] |
| 18:19.47 | Seb | tarzeau: i know wher youy live and where you from ;) |
| 18:19.48 | tarzeau | Seb: awww, you're root or not? |
| 18:19.56 | tarzeau | Seb: i'm in #debian since 1999 too ;) |
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| 18:20.05 | S4nD3r_ | I really will need a modem to use on my linux box... |
| 18:20.09 | Seb | tarzeau: I am, it'd just be agasint company policy to install a game |
| 18:20.10 | tarzeau | Seb: hehe, but you don't live in europe, do you? |
| 18:20.15 | cn_ | can someone tell me |
| 18:20.25 | tarzeau | Seb: what time is it? you don't have to tell anyone? |
| 18:20.35 | Seb | tarzeau: i'm from france, but living in the US |
| 18:20.35 | Lee__ | !tell sn about sarge |
| 18:20.36 | tarzeau | Seb: are you dd? |
| 18:20.41 | Lee__ | oops |
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| 18:20.47 | Seb | tarzeau: you don't take that kind of risk in US companys :> |
| 18:20.54 | Lee__ | !tell cn_ about sarge |
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| 18:21.11 | tarzeau | Seb: oh i see, never been in a us company. what does the company do? |
| 18:21.29 | Seb | tarzeau: spy on his employees mostly ;) |
| 18:21.31 | paulswm | tarzeau: Seb is correct, policy usually contains penalties "not excluding termination" |
| 18:21.33 | cn_ | Lee__: sarge is out? |
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| 18:21.42 | DerSchotte | Quote: Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> [Tue, 3 May 2005 12:46:32 -0700] |
| 18:21.42 | DerSchotte | > 30 May 2005 |
| 18:21.42 | DerSchotte | > Release |
| 18:21.42 | DerSchotte | Ref: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00001.html |
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| 18:21.43 | Lee__ | nope, but it's frozen |
| 18:21.43 | Seb | tarzeau: not a DD yet |
| 18:21.45 | sepski | installing debian base over 64Kbit... silly me, coudnt i wait untill tomorrow.. and grab a cd from broadband at work |
| 18:21.51 | paulswm | Waht a wanker |
| 18:21.53 | paulswm | What |
| 18:22.02 | cn_ | i want to know how to get my mouse working on 2.4 kernel |
| 18:22.04 | Seb | tarzeau: soon hopefully |
| 18:22.09 | cn_ | i have a usb mouse |
| 18:22.11 | tarzeau | paulswm: strange. usually here you can logout (time stamping) and do whatever you want (well not surf porn actually) |
| 18:22.21 | Lee__ | cn_: upgrade to sarge |
| 18:22.25 | glick | does anyone know why cpu hums a high pitched noise when it is idle? |
| 18:22.28 | glick | and how i can stop that |
| 18:22.29 | cn_ | i'm using sarge Lee__ |
| 18:22.29 | beeblebrox87 | i have a completely offtopic question, where should i go to ask it? |
| 18:22.33 | Lee__ | install 2.6 |
| 18:22.35 | tarzeau | glick: fan? |
| 18:22.39 | DerSchotte | Seb: see -> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00001.html |
| 18:22.41 | shingouz | glick: the cpu does not hum |
| 18:22.42 | cn_ | oh |
| 18:22.44 | glick | tarzeau, no its not the fan |
| 18:22.49 | Nick0r2 | May 26 19:22:10 2and2 named[2328]: socket.c:1111: unexpected error: |
| 18:22.49 | cn_ | ok |
| 18:22.49 | Nick0r2 | May 26 19:22:10 2and2 named[2328]: internal_send: 216.32.71.42#53: Invalid argument |
| 18:22.50 | Nick0r2 | any ideas? |
| 18:22.52 | tarzeau | glick: it's really the cpu? |
| 18:22.54 | cn_ | 2.4 is old? |
| 18:22.57 | Lee__ | yes |
| 18:23.02 | cn_ | oh |
| 18:23.04 | tarzeau | cn_: 2.4.n which exactly? |
| 18:23.10 | cn_ | 2.4.27 |
| 18:23.13 | glick | tarzeau, yeah its definatly something electronic, cause it only does it when im not doing something |
| 18:23.13 | shingouz | beeblebrox87: no idea. maybe you should ask it here? |
| 18:23.14 | paulswm | tarzeau: It's not strange to be required to follow policy for what you may or may not do with equipment which belongs to your employer. |
| 18:23.23 | glick | when i optn a program, the time it takes to open it, it doesnt hum |
| 18:23.26 | Seb | DerSchotte: you do realize there are still ~40 RC bugs ? |
| 18:23.31 | beeblebrox87 | shingouz: but it has nothing to do with debian, or linux even |
| 18:23.36 | Seb | paulswm: tell me abouyt it... |
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| 18:23.37 | glick | or when im typing fast |
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| 18:23.52 | beeblebrox87 | and google doesn't seem to know... which scares me, google is supposed to know everything |
| 18:24.02 | shingouz | beeblebrox87: ummm... #warez? #allnightcafe? |
| 18:24.04 | tarzeau | paulswm: true |
| 18:24.06 | sepski | beeblebrox87, without knowing the nature of your OT question it's impossible to know where to ask it, maybe in #freenode, or in #sexdeprivedmaniacs who knows.. |
| 18:24.15 | paulswm | If one of my staff installed non-approved stuff, I would have no problem in firing them. |
| 18:24.18 | Seb | tarzeau: you work or study ? |
| 18:24.22 | tarzeau | Seb: work |
| 18:24.23 | shingouz | #hamstersandducttape? |
| 18:24.30 | paulswm | It's too much of a security risk these days. |
| 18:24.31 | Seb | tarzeau: software, network ? |
| 18:24.32 | asg | #debian-offtopic |
| 18:24.33 | DerSchotte | Seb: Steve Langasek said "30 May 2005, Release", no post stopping this date afaik, and the is monday. |
| 18:24.38 | tarzeau | Seb: both |
| 18:24.39 | DerSchotte | Seb: Steve Langasek said "30 May 2005, Release", no post stopping this date afaik, and the is monday. |
| 18:24.43 | Seb | DerSchotte: you're thick mate |
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| 18:24.45 | tarzeau | Seb: and debian ;) |
| 18:24.47 | Seb | DerSchotte: you're thick mate |
| 18:24.53 | paulswm | Seb: No shit :) |
| 18:24.55 | tarzeau | Seb: http://nic.phys.ethz.ch |
| 18:24.55 | Seb | tarzeau: hehe, same here |
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| 18:25.00 | DerSchotte | Duh. double post |
| 18:25.05 | snail_ | shingouz: the answer to every question that's the appropiate forum for is "trim the toe nails fool!" |
| 18:25.06 | greycat | DerSchotte: and Debian has never missed a projection. |
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| 18:25.10 | greycat | !pal DerSchotte |
| 18:25.19 | Seb | greycat: heh |
| 18:25.19 | sepski | DerSchotte, sarge wont release with RC bugs. just get a grip |
| 18:25.21 | shingouz | snail_: dobermann? |
| 18:25.22 | Seb | tarzeau: looks cool |
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| 18:25.32 | beeblebrox87 | it was how to unlock a GSM phone |
| 18:25.38 | Seb | DerSchotte: see, see sepski is *not* thick |
| 18:25.40 | beeblebrox87 | but as i said that's offtopic |
| 18:25.49 | shingouz | beeblebrox87: operator lock? |
| 18:25.52 | beeblebrox87 | yeah |
| 18:25.55 | tarzeau | Seb: it very is ;) |
| 18:25.57 | DerSchotte | I know it won't release with RC bugs, as if it should |
| 18:26.03 | beeblebrox87 | "is there any software in debian for unlocking GSM phones" |
| 18:26.04 | beeblebrox87 | there we go |
| 18:26.05 | glick | does anyone have the same problem ever? |
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| 18:26.11 | sepski | DerSchotte, http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ when the green line reaches 0 here.. then i think we'r rather close to a release |
| 18:26.21 | shingouz | beeblebrox87: most of the time you need to go talk with the operator i think |
| 18:26.21 | J_P | hey, have debian to arm processor ? |
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| 18:26.27 | streuner | We waiting 3 years now, so what? ;-) |
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| 18:26.45 | glick | it only does when the cpu is reletively idle |
| 18:26.49 | beeblebrox87 | shingouz: they're about 12000km from here. called them, they were unhelpful. |
| 18:27.00 | glick | like when i run glx gears for example the sound is gone |
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| 18:27.07 | DerSchotte | sepski: I know, but a lot of magazines are going by the above post for sarge release |
| 18:27.15 | shingouz | beeblebrox87: damn. what phone? |
| 18:27.16 | glick | then when i stop glxgears the sound comes back |
| 18:27.34 | Seb | tarzeau: got work for me when I leave dummyland ? ;] |
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| 18:27.39 | xophEr | I recently removed my floppy drive from my computer, how do I remove it from debian? thanks |
| 18:27.42 | sepski | DerSchotte, and you belive everything you read? |
| 18:27.46 | beeblebrox87 | motorola v180 |
| 18:27.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm at work :) |
| 18:27.53 | tarzeau | Seb: in switzerland? |
| 18:27.55 | greycat | xophEr: what are you, some sort of nitwit? |
| 18:28.02 | greycat | maybe he's a closet Gentooist. |
| 18:28.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: :( so nice weather, can't you leave earlier? it's almost weekend |
| 18:28.08 | Seb | tarzeau: fuck yeat :) |
| 18:28.10 | DerSchotte | No, someone once told me windows XP SP2 was safe :P |
| 18:28.18 | Seb | yeah |
| 18:28.19 | greycat | "I GOOTA SAVE ME 5k OF R4M!!!!11" |
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| 18:28.25 | paulswm | Heh |
| 18:28.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: 10 yr company party tonight |
| 18:28.38 | paulswm | greycat: you are on form today, buddy |
| 18:28.41 | asg | greycat: and a few bytes of space in /dev |
| 18:28.48 | fz- | anybody .. how to extract *.tar file ?? |
| 18:28.50 | dondelelcaro | DerSchotte: again, the latest post is absolutely correct. It even tells you what is actually driving the release date, and why it may slip. |
| 18:28.53 | asg | fz-: /msg dpkg tar |
| 18:28.55 | xophEr | greycat, well no, I just dont want to see a floppy drive in 'my computer' when I dont have one :) |
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| 18:29.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: women? |
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| 18:29.04 | greycat | even worse. |
| 18:29.06 | shingouz | beeblebrox87: either the manufacturer or check if google can come up with something along hacking $brand, unlocking... i think i have seen something on the motorolas on the net |
| 18:29.07 | greycat | a gnome. |
| 18:29.10 | asg | xophEr: then delete the friggin icon |
| 18:29.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: we bought some |
| 18:29.12 | sepski | greycat, are you trying to run gameis in MS-DOS 6.2 or something ? :) those 5k was essensial :) |
| 18:29.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: yuck |
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| 18:29.25 | dondelelcaro | http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&ignpatch=on&new=3 <-- this is the list of bugs |
| 18:29.25 | Oliver | mmm, dos games |
| 18:29.29 | abrotman | who didn't make a special boot disk for some stupid game :) |
| 18:29.34 | nickv111 | Seb: Still doesn't work, even with sarge |
| 18:29.36 | yalu | aaaaaaargh..... my pc is "busy". I was doing some desktop stuff and a compilation and it went from barely responsive to non-responsive in a minute and now it does not react to anything I do except moving the mouse pointer |
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| 18:29.44 | Seb | nickv111: what doesn;'t work ? |
| 18:29.46 | nickv111 | Seb: Still get the same error |
| 18:29.47 | aplus | Hi. Anyone seen a Debian box not using more than 900MB of RAM? The box has 2GB of RAM in it. |
| 18:29.48 | yalu | I can't even ssh in and see what is going on |
| 18:29.54 | sepski | abrotman, you didnt use config.sys boot menus ? |
| 18:30.04 | Seb | aplus: your memory wants to be used |
| 18:30.06 | nickv111 | Seb: sshd is still closing the connection |
| 18:30.06 | DerSchotte | dondelelcaro: Yes but with *so* many RC stoppers open when are we going to get a GO/-NO-GO on sarge release ? |
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| 18:30.13 | yalu | last time I looked at top all swap space was used up |
| 18:30.19 | greycat | DerSchotte: who cares. sit back. enjoy the show. |
| 18:30.21 | asg | paulswm: bureaucracy was the best |
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| 18:30.35 | Seb | what's the dpkg factoid that tells about the memory wanting to be used |
| 18:30.41 | dondelelcaro | DerSchotte: I don't think you're understanding here. There will be NO RC bugs when sarge is actually released. |
| 18:30.42 | asg | Seb: free memory |
| 18:30.43 | yalu | how on earth is it possible that stuf like that still happens in 2005, with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:30.57 | Seb | dpkg tell aplus about free memory |
| 18:30.58 | paulswm | aplus: There's a setting in the kernel, can't remember which one, for using more than 1GB of memory, you are limited to 900MB becasue it's not turned on, hang on, I'll look it up |
| 18:31.01 | asg | yalu: because 2.6 kernels aren't stable? |
| 18:31.01 | Seb | asg: thanks man |
| 18:31.03 | sepski | aplus, linux uses all available ram all the time, for disk cache |
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| 18:31.15 | shingouz | beeblebrox87: http://www.google.com/search?q=motorola+v180+unlocking gives you about 94,700 hits... ;) |
| 18:31.16 | DerSchotte | greycat: I've been sitting on (a) woody so long it's gone erevocabily HARD ;) |
| 18:31.20 | Seb | asg: 2.5 are pieces of shit |
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| 18:31.29 | yalu | asg: 2.5 kernels, soI am told, are not stable. 2.6 however is a stable branch |
| 18:31.30 | aplus | Only 900MB shows up on the box. |
| 18:31.36 | dondelelcaro | DerSchotte: Debian doesn't do arbitrary time based releases. Releases happen when things are ready to be released. |
| 18:31.38 | abrotman | sepski: i had a few .. but for really special games .. a boot disk |
| 18:31.39 | naddar | anyone know a apt ftp server for mythtv |
| 18:31.43 | greycat | DerSchotte: sit longer, and it'll become soft. |
| 18:31.47 | abrotman | naddar: /msg dpkg mythtv |
| 18:31.50 | asg | yalu: what 2.6 are you running anyway? |
| 18:31.53 | aplus | It is probably the kernel. |
| 18:32.01 | valdyn | aplus: not 900 but also not 1gb, since you cannot use more than 1 gig ram on i386 without a "special" kernel.. |
| 18:32.09 | yalu | asg: 2.6.8 or 2.6.7 if I am not mistaken |
| 18:32.12 | nse | hello everybody |
| 18:32.20 | sepski | abrotman, i think i had a few boot disks too, but there realy wasn't any DOS game that my Amiga didnt run in circles about :P |
| 18:32.20 | DerSchotte | lol @ greycat, I know @ dondelelcaro |
| 18:32.23 | runa | nse: aloha :) |
| 18:32.35 | runa | has anyone used the kernel keyring (I've just seen it in kernel 2.6.11) |
| 18:32.43 | Triffid_Hunter | valdyn: er just set high mem support to 4gb and it works fine ;) |
| 18:32.45 | abrotman | sepski: duh .. but by the time i was really into gaming .. amiga was dead :) |
| 18:32.45 | asg | yalu: then see if this happens with 2.4.x (if it doesn't, file bugs) |
| 18:32.45 | trouble | 20:26 Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 18:32.45 | trouble | 20:26 /dev/hda1 7.4G 5.4G 1.6G 77% / |
| 18:32.55 | trouble | 5.4 + 1.6 is not 7.4 :o |
| 18:32.59 | valdyn | Triffid_Hunter: i know. |
| 18:33.02 | trouble | wheres that 400mb? |
| 18:33.03 | dondelelcaro | DerSchotte: so why are you asking for a GO/NO GO? |
| 18:33.11 | yalu | asg: but how can I reproduce??? |
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| 18:33.19 | paulswm | aplus: I just told you it was the kernel. You need:# CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM is not set |
| 18:33.19 | paulswm | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 18:33.19 | paulswm | # CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G is not set |
| 18:33.19 | paulswm | CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
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| 18:33.32 | Gathond | trouble: no, but 5% of the drive is reserved space (for root usually) and therefore dont show up as available |
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| 18:33.35 | asg | yalu: well, use a 2.4.x kernel. See if the same thing happens. |
| 18:33.35 | abrotman | !smack paulswm |
| 18:33.36 | yalu | asg: it just happened, and it doesn't happen often |
| 18:33.46 | streuner | hm |
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| 18:33.52 | sepski | abrotman, i was into gaming before the amiga.. the vic20 and C64 was nice.. |
| 18:33.52 | paulswm | abrotman: those were the only lines I intended, sorry |
| 18:33.54 | trouble | ok thanks |
| 18:33.59 | asg | yalu: are you using non-free binary drivers for ati or nvidia or ndiswrapper stuff? |
| 18:33.59 | aplus | Thanks dudes |
| 18:34.06 | sepski | my c64 still functions. so that was one sturdy box |
| 18:34.09 | DerSchotte | The release maintainer should post the revived dated, that's all |
| 18:34.16 | abrotman | sepski: cmd [*4!! run |
| 18:34.20 | abrotman | or whatever that crap was |
| 18:34.27 | asg | !cload abrotman |
| 18:34.31 | abrotman | paulswm: joking! |
| 18:34.39 | yalu | asg: not a single bit of nonfree software at the moment. and certainly no drivers |
| 18:34.47 | abrotman | asg: heh |
| 18:34.50 | paulswm | abrotman: I know, I am embarassed anyway |
| 18:34.50 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 18:34.50 | dpkg | hmm... pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:34.59 | abrotman | paulswm: hopefully you can get over it |
| 18:35.13 | asg | yalu: well, reboot. See if there is anything odd in the logs. Otherwise, keep doing what you are doing and see if it happens again. |
| 18:35.23 | DerSchotte | dondelelcaro: The release maintainer should post the revived dated, that's all |
| 18:35.24 | sepski | abrotman the first game i played was on some green backlit monitor it was a # trying to eat letters, and avoid the %'s that chased you |
| 18:35.25 | asg | abrotman: getting close, getting close |
| 18:35.35 | sepski | have no idea what it was called :) |
| 18:35.35 | asg | sepski: like nethack |
| 18:35.39 | abrotman | sepski: lemonade stand! apple //e :) |
| 18:35.44 | asg | abrotman: heh |
| 18:35.47 | paulswm | !fruitsmite abrotman |
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| 18:36.03 | sepski | asg no not even close to nethack, nethack is still great, and is a full advanture |
| 18:36.08 | dondelelcaro | DerSchotte: the release manager has better things to do, like actually fixing RC bugs. The RM has already given you the information that the RMs are using to figure out when sarge is ready for release. |
| 18:36.29 | asg | sepski: but it is still the odd # and $ running around trying not to be eaten by ^ |
| 18:36.32 | abrotman | DerSchotte: there is no date .. it's ready when it's ready .. not before .. |
| 18:36.45 | abrotman | DerSchotte: and the word is revised :) |
| 18:36.46 | sepski | asg, well there was only % monsters in that game |
| 18:36.48 | greycat | asg: heresy. you should be an @. |
| 18:37.01 | dondelelcaro | DerSchotte: those dates are just estimates anyway. The actual fixing of RC bugs is what drives the release. |
| 18:37.06 | asg | greycat: yeah, I was making it backward compatible |
| 18:37.21 | asg | sepski: ah |
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| 18:37.37 | abrotman | DerSchotte: if you want to get a better idea .. check http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical .. and /topic #debian-bugs and help out |
| 18:37.51 | snail_ | DerSchotte: until you can list us 5 rc bugs you've fixed you have this much excuse for complaining about the lack of release: --><-- |
| 18:38.00 | sepski | asg, was too young to remember the os or gamename, but it shaped my destiny LOL :) |
| 18:38.00 | dondelelcaro | better, check out http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&ignpatch=on&new=3 |
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| 18:38.10 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that's in the topic of #debian-bugs :) |
| 18:38.10 | sepski | been a computer addict since then |
| 18:38.16 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yerp |
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| 18:38.18 | paulswm | I once converted the whole original Unix adventure game from a FORTRAN source listing to Basic to run on DOS 0.92. |
| 18:38.26 | abrotman | !geek paulswm |
| 18:38.26 | greycat | snail_: I'd be impressed by just 1. |
| 18:38.27 | valdyn | yalu: if you fill up your systems memory completely, then things will break, thats not really the kernels fault. |
| 18:38.40 | naddar | ebconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 18:38.43 | naddar | what is that |
| 18:38.51 | S4nD3r_ | Hey, I accept a modem as gift ! |
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| 18:39.18 | yalu | valdyn: so I can simply write a little program that does malloc() till the OS crashes |
| 18:39.24 | sepski | 10% of debian base system.. :) |
| 18:39.34 | greycat | yalu: help ulimit |
| 18:39.36 | sepski | hmm does the debian installer support resuming ? ... |
| 18:39.48 | valdyn | yalu: it doesnt "crash" but it becomes unresponsive. Yes you can. ( on any OS ) |
| 18:39.51 | paulswm | yalu: Yes, you can unless limits are set, see greycat's response above |
| 18:39.57 | yalu | hmm |
| 18:40.05 | dondelelcaro | sepski: if you're at a point where the machine can boot, yes. Otherwise, no. |
| 18:40.14 | yalu | it seems ot me most people don't know about ulimit |
| 18:40.15 | shingouz | S4nD3r_: don't you have a recycler in your area? hit them and see if they have any 28 or 34 modems on isa. if you are real lucky you may be able to land a 56 too |
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| 18:40.23 | zeeeee | hi all, how do i find out what scsi disks are available to me? (i.e. which of the /dev/sd* are actually active?) |
| 18:40.26 | paulswm | I did it recently while testing a data compressor |
| 18:40.30 | sepski | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 18:40.31 | greycat | yalu: I've been too lazy so far to write that page for the FAQ. |
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| 18:40.37 | glick | ahh found out my problem |
| 18:40.39 | yalu | hehe |
| 18:40.40 | valdyn | yalu: particularily swap tends to makes your system unresponsive before it crashes ( or randomly kills a memory eater ) |
| 18:40.46 | glick | surprisinglly on the ubuntu help forums |
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| 18:40.50 | S4nD3r_ | shingouz, really ! |
| 18:40.53 | glick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:41.17 | naddar | ebconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
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| 18:41.22 | shingouz | S4nD3r_: what? i told you some useful information |
| 18:41.23 | naddar | anyone kniow how i can solve that |
| 18:41.29 | paulswm | glick: Good idea, we get enough high-pitched whining in here as it is. |
| 18:41.30 | greycat | naddar: terminate the other process. |
| 18:41.32 | Seb | naddar: lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 18:41.33 | greycat | (like, duh!) |
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| 18:41.37 | Seb | naddar: and kill it |
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| 18:41.48 | S4nD3r_ | shingouz, ok !!! |
| 18:41.52 | yalu | and I will read syslog |
| 18:41.52 | S4nD3r_ | I understand. |
| 18:42.10 | elias | what program to use to connect a cisco router via console to a debian linux box? |
| 18:42.38 | greycat | shingouz: I have a feeling he's in some 3rd world country where people still use dial-up and won't throw away old working hardware modems. |
| 18:42.45 | streuner | elias: vice versa? |
| 18:42.49 | abrotman | greycat: canada ? |
| 18:42.52 | streuner | elias: telnet? |
| 18:43.06 | pngwn | ;''' |
| 18:43.07 | shingouz | greycat: that is a possibility too |
| 18:43.19 | paulswm | greycat: much of the US. |
| 18:43.32 | greycat | paulswm: right, as I said... 3rd world country. |
| 18:44.00 | paulswm | greycat: But here in lil ol Kissimmee, I have 6MBit cable :) |
| 18:44.03 | J_P | hey all, i find only woody for ARM http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm/release-notes/. After sarge are released as stable sarge will be portable to ARM too ? how this page ? |
| 18:44.20 | snail_ | a chunk of those rc bugs are kernel patches which are no longer relavent. i suspect those'll evaporate pretty quick over the weekend |
| 18:44.30 | jim | elias: serial cable? you can use minicom for that I think |
| 18:44.32 | abrotman | J_P: nothing at the d-i page ? |
| 18:44.34 | naddar | seb what is the command to kill it |
| 18:44.35 | elias | serial cable |
| 18:44.48 | abrotman | J_P: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. i see arm there |
| 18:44.49 | jim | is it a text interface? |
| 18:44.51 | elias | is there a gui app? |
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| 18:44.55 | jim | maybe |
| 18:45.04 | naddar | seb: what is the command to kill that |
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| 18:45.08 | sepski | elias, minicom in an xterm is gui isnt it ? |
| 18:45.20 | S4nD3r_ | Hardmodem is faster them internal modems? |
| 18:45.24 | FieldySnuts | !is there |
| 18:45.42 | valdyn | S4nD3r_: hows a location related to something being h/w or s/w ? |
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| 18:46.08 | sepski | S4nD3r_, faster ? i seriouslt dont think the modem will be your bootleneck if you run on a regular phoneline :) |
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| 18:46.22 | naddar | how i can kill a proces in linux |
| 18:46.29 | paulswm | naddar: kill |
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| 18:46.49 | _p4c | :) |
| 18:46.57 | jshoenberger | Long shot in the dark, but does anyone know mrtg? Mainly its use with RRDTool? |
| 18:47.09 | greycat | !anyone know |
| 18:47.09 | ciaron | trying to rung apt-get upgrade |
| 18:47.09 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 18:47.10 | ciaron | invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S20rsync |
| 18:47.12 | dondelelcaro | jshoenberger: uh, you generally don't use mrtg if you're using rrdtool |
| 18:47.14 | ciaron | any ideas what that means? |
| 18:47.17 | asg | jshoenberger: the latter replaced the former |
| 18:47.24 | greycat | ciaron: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:47.33 | sepski | jshoenberger, dont think many use mrtg directly anyloger it's been made redundant by rrdtool |
| 18:47.36 | binaryc | i am trying to setup alsa to use my 5.1 sound but can not manage tot get anything out of the satalites, a good source of information on setting up sound in linux/ guidances on where to begin would ben greatly apreciated |
| 18:47.40 | sepski | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 18:47.42 | ciaron | greycat: 3.1 |
| 18:47.58 | naddar | kill /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 18:48.05 | naddar | no such pid |
| 18:48.10 | paulswm | naddar: man kill |
| 18:48.11 | zOap__ | does startx -x -m ion2(eg) work, what does the -x stand for? |
| 18:48.15 | jasoncohen | how do i get a list of all files included in a package? |
| 18:48.18 | jshoenberger | asg, it didn't replace, it is a different method for logging, but I digress, my problem is that I can't load RRD and I'd post the error, but I'm afraid I'll flood |
| 18:48.19 | paulswm | naddar: and man ps while you're at it |
| 18:48.21 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 26 14:48 S20rsync -> ../init.d/rsync |
| 18:48.28 | dondelelcaro | jshoenberger: paste it into #flood |
| 18:48.36 | streuner | jasoncohen: man dpkg |
| 18:48.46 | greycat | ciaron: your version of the package is obviously broken. try upgrading that package. or if YOU broke it by hand, you may lart yourself now. |
| 18:48.56 | ciaron | didn't touch it :) |
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| 18:49.06 | ciaron | i'm trying to upgrade the package, thats whats throwing the error |
| 18:49.31 | greycat | ciaron: rm /etc/rc2.d/S20rsync |
| 18:49.44 | greycat | ciaron: ln -s ../init.d/rsync /etc/rc2.d/S20rsync |
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| 18:49.59 | shingouz | S4nD3r_: the difference between a harware and software modem is that the hardware version does the signal processing on its own and needs no drivers. the other type does the dsp on the computer cpu |
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| 18:50.26 | naddar | nice thanks |
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| 18:51.01 | paulswm | S4nD3r_: re shingouz' comment above: the former is often known as a controller based modem, and the latter as a 'winmodem", |
| 18:51.02 | J_P | abrotman: humm ok |
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| 18:51.18 | abrotman | J_P: you found it ? |
| 18:51.25 | greycat | S4nD3r_: or "softmodem". |
| 18:51.32 | shingouz | S4nD3r_: and all external serial modems are hardware |
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| 18:52.00 | paulswm | greycat: or "piece of cheap ass crap" |
| 18:52.00 | sepski | shingouz, there are some external usb sof ones arent there ? |
| 18:52.08 | J_P | abrotman: yeh, i find! |
| 18:52.15 | abrotman | J_P: good .. we party now |
| 18:52.29 | asg | now is the time of sprockets when we dance |
| 18:52.35 | J_P | abrotman: i think in buy one HP jornada 720. this iso for arm install ok in it ? |
| 18:52.50 | abrotman | J_P: no idea .. but i've heard bad things about Jornados |
| 18:52.58 | abrotman | static+jornado = memory wipe |
| 18:53.01 | greycat | asg: hands off the monkey. |
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| 18:53.14 | J_P | abrotman: uhh ? I not undertand |
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| 18:53.22 | J_P | static+jornado = memory wipe |
| 18:53.23 | J_P | ? |
| 18:53.44 | starshine | where do I find partimaged? there's no such package and it's not inside partimage. |
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| 18:53.49 | abrotman | J_P: if you get static on you .. then it discharges while the jornado is on you .. byebye memory contents .. but this was also like 6 years ago |
| 18:54.05 | j_k | J_P: you'd better not rub your hand in your hair before you handle it? |
| 18:54.09 | MarsLobster | I am trying to run VNC between two boxes, 192.168.200.4 and 192.168.200.3, can I use tcpdump on alinux box, 192.168.200.2, to keep track of the ports being used by the two boxes? |
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| 18:54.36 | paulswm | !qotd108 |
| 18:54.36 | dpkg | <drp> is there a command to allow me to see lan printers < greycat> drp: yes. "Joe! Show me that printer!" < greycat> substitute "Joe" with the name of your LAN adminsitrator < drp> lol |
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| 18:54.52 | sepski | MarsLobster, only if the boxes are connected with a hub, or a switch with a monitor port and your .2 is on that port |
| 18:54.54 | paulswm | !prize greycat |
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| 18:55.14 | J_P | abrotman: but if batery is ok ? then not have problem right ? |
| 18:55.16 | sepski | MarsLobster, easier to look at netstat on the 2 boxes i think if port usage is all you care about |
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| 18:55.35 | starshine | apt-cache search was useless :( partimage' man page crossrefs it but, no such man page either :/ |
| 18:55.41 | chris | dpkg intel |
| 18:55.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, intel is a bunch of horridly evil crack whores |
| 18:55.48 | seldon | MarsLobster: Unless the network is switched, ethereal should do the trick |
| 18:56.09 | asg | seldon: he quit |
| 18:56.11 | sepski | starshine, you are looking for a file ? try apt-file |
| 18:56.22 | seldon | Oh. |
| 18:56.31 | sepski | seldon, what network isnt switched today ? |
| 18:56.38 | sepski | :) |
| 18:56.39 | seldon | Old ones. |
| 18:56.43 | starshine | sepski: I'm looking for a specific binary... |
| 18:56.51 | sepski | apt-file does that |
| 18:57.02 | asg | starshine: apt-file search bin/<insert specific binary here> |
| 18:57.05 | paulswm | starshine: apt-file search partimaged |
| 18:57.29 | paulswm | starshine: returns only one hit on sarge: mindi-partimagehack: usr/share/doc/mindi-partimagehack/README.partimagedhack |
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| 18:57.50 | starshine | errr I'm not doing this for mindi |
| 18:57.54 | starshine | that's a bad sign... |
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| 18:58.24 | abrotman | J_P: i don't know .. that model couldn't withstand any shock |
| 18:58.40 | asg | paulswm: there aren't any, I suck |
| 18:58.45 | J_P | abrotman: i think buy one 720(used) |
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| 18:59.20 | paulswm | asg: actually, you have one of the best: |
| 18:59.24 | paulswm | !qotd62 |
| 18:59.24 | dpkg | <fenix> My discover is problem people!!! Not find ide or scsi automatic <fenix> Help!! Discover Problem!!! PEOPLE!! <asg> fenix: yes discovering people can be a bit disconcerting |
| 18:59.49 | asg | paulswm: the fruitsmite one is my favorite |
| 19:00.00 | paulswm | asg: Yes, that is also excellent |
| 19:00.24 | asg | pubtime |
| 19:00.33 | streuner | hf |
| 19:00.35 | paulswm | That is an asg/greycat double act |
| 19:00.41 | Nick0r2 | May 26 20:00:26 2and2 named[19693]: socket.c:1111: unexpected error: |
| 19:00.41 | Nick0r2 | May 26 20:00:26 2and2 named[19693]: internal_send: 216.32.71.42#53: Invalid argument |
| 19:00.44 | Nick0r2 | what does that mean? |
| 19:01.01 | elias | how are the serial ports called in linux |
| 19:01.04 | greycat | Nick0r2: ask #dns or the BTS for bind. |
| 19:01.10 | fhffhqvb | elias: dogwhistle. |
| 19:01.12 | peterS | elias: /dev/ttyS0 for ISA serial port one |
| 19:01.31 | peterS | elias: /dev/ttyUSB0 for USB serial adapter port one |
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| 19:01.31 | DerSchotte | <snail_> DerSchotte: until you can list us 5 rc bugs you've fixed you have this much excuse for complaining about the lack of release: --><-- |
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| 19:02.01 | elias | so how co I connect to a cisco router on serial one with linux? |
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| 19:02.22 | peterS | elias: install the package 'minicom' and try using that |
| 19:02.22 | Azar | the alsa terrorist has arrived, hello honorables |
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| 19:02.34 | peterS | elias: it's a terminal program that talks to modems and serial ports |
| 19:02.49 | shingouz | Azar: welcome back to the company of hash-dweebians |
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| 19:03.15 | DerSchotte | <snail_> DerSchotte: until you can list us 5 rc bugs you've fixed you have this much excuse for complaining about the lack of release: --><-- |
| 19:03.16 | DerSchotte | I didn't complain, I was was asked why I kept quoting "Monday" as release date, get your facts straight before posting. |
| 19:03.16 | abrotman | J_P: i'd do somemore research |
| 19:03.30 | Azar | :) hi shingouz, I am coming with great news: Stallman makes Taiwanese source code plea // Some Taiwanese companies, such as chipmakers VIA Technologies and XGI Technology, have already released the source code of various drivers in an attempt to improve Linux support for their products. |
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| 19:03.45 | shingouz | you are shitting me? |
| 19:04.03 | Azar | here is the link: hot from the press http://news.com.com/2061-10795_3-5721803.html?part=rss&tag=5721803&subj=news |
| 19:04.11 | shingouz | wow |
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| 19:04.25 | shingouz | RMS should be made a knight or something |
| 19:04.33 | streuner | Azar: enough! |
| 19:04.33 | streuner | Azar: get a emu10k1 |
| 19:04.33 | streuner | Azar: problem solved |
| 19:04.34 | DerSchotte | <abrotman> DerSchotte: if you want to get a better idea .. check http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical .. and /topic #debian-bugs and help out |
| 19:04.34 | DerSchotte | ok, thanks I will do to check up, thanks. |
| 19:04.34 | KoopaPoopa | is there a command to clean up the debian menu? there are packages listed that i've removed.... |
| 19:04.41 | greycat | shingouz: he's already a Saint, sort of. |
| 19:04.48 | xzgv | i tried installing the kernel-image-2.6.11 a couple of days ago, is the bug still there? |
| 19:05.01 | Azar | lol |
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| 19:05.20 | greycat | !btssmite xzgv |
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| 19:05.34 | peterS | fhffhqvb is back? |
| 19:05.43 | greycat | !rot13 fhffhqvb |
| 19:05.43 | dpkg | sussudio |
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| 19:05.49 | xzgv | hehe ok |
| 19:05.51 | peterS | greycat: yeah, I know who he is |
| 19:05.55 | shingouz | Azar: i get the feeling that there is some animosity against your sound setup here |
| 19:05.57 | Azar | hey, I worked hard at asking all day yesterday here, I deserve a newbie medal |
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| 19:05.59 | fhffhqvb | !rot13 onqtref |
| 19:05.59 | dpkg | badgers |
| 19:06.07 | greycat | !prize Azar |
| 19:06.19 | streuner | Azar: in your case RMS wasted his time, there is none entry in whole usenet about your problem... |
| 19:06.20 | shingouz | at least you try, that is for sure Azar |
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| 19:06.28 | Azar | shingouz, I will have to remove all I installed yesterday, and try again (alsa wise) |
| 19:06.28 | fhffhqvb | Azar: http://img51.echo.cx/img51/4244/2321914ek.jpg |
| 19:06.34 | roo9 | if you needed a 14TB disk array, what would you do, something primarilary for backup not optimized for speed. |
| 19:06.39 | Seb | ca va gourdin ? |
| 19:06.44 | shingouz | Azar: have tylenol and caffeine? |
| 19:06.47 | greycat | roo9: what budget? |
| 19:06.54 | Azar | fhffhqvb: I am only using lynks I am not able to see jpg |
| 19:07.08 | roo9 | greycat: cheaply, i really have no idea of the specific budget |
| 19:07.15 | roo9 | greycat: as cheaply as possible really |
| 19:07.18 | Azar | shingouz, I have to admit I woke up with a huge headache, but excited about the challenge |
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| 19:07.59 | sepski | roo9, get a few large disk cases, and use a heap of sata drives, and linux software raid, |
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| 19:08.11 | sepski | roo9, youd need lots and lots of sata controllers tho. :P |
| 19:08.24 | shingouz | Azar: that was just a stfu noob pic, i figured it might actually be somethign useful |
| 19:08.24 | Azar | I am sure I did my installation and configuration badly then later I borked...I will have to purge all I installed yesterday |
| 19:08.26 | streuner | Azar: You don't want to tell us you are unable to set up X in debian too? |
| 19:08.36 | shingouz | hehe |
| 19:08.43 | Azar | streuner, I already have X |
| 19:08.49 | Azar | and nvidia card setup |
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| 19:08.54 | sepski | roo9, a better aproch would be 3ware with the backplane connectors, and one of the many drive chassis's with backplanes out there, you can get 16drives easily |
| 19:08.54 | Azar | now I need to milk audio |
| 19:09.15 | greycat | if your sound cards gives milk, take it back. |
| 19:09.26 | Azar | :) |
| 19:09.49 | Azar | I bet that four years from now, I will miss all this struggle |
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| 19:10.06 | Azar | everything will be gui, we will just click and install |
| 19:10.10 | Azar | no fun |
| 19:10.12 | Azar | boring |
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| 19:10.48 | streuner | Azar: that isn't the point, usually you load the module in debian and bang you have sound... |
| 19:10.54 | sepski | Azar, gui's are pointless is most cases, it's only needed on the desktop. i dont belive well loose the console in many many years yet |
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| 19:11.07 | lehel | hello |
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| 19:11.19 | glick | hmm dell sent me a battery that only gets 90% charged? |
| 19:11.25 | glick | should i make them send me another one? |
| 19:11.29 | lehel | how to make an archive? |
| 19:11.32 | Azar | guys I am so excited, if VIA Tech have released the source code, it means I could upgrade my driver so to speak to my Debian |
| 19:11.40 | S4nD3r_ | USROBOTICS PCI, HARDMODEM, works in linuxbox ? |
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| 19:12.02 | shingouz | S4nD3r_: it should work but please do not shout here |
| 19:12.11 | streuner | Azar: get a emu10k1 - they are fine |
| 19:12.18 | glick | shy am i getting different readouts |
| 19:12.30 | glick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.30 | glick | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.42 | Azar | streuner, you think emu10k1 will solve my alsa error at bootup? |
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| 19:12.51 | S4nD3r_ | Im looking for a external modem to buy |
| 19:12.55 | roo9 | sepski: i need more than 16 drives though, many more it seems. |
| 19:12.57 | shingouz | glick: apm is not an exact science you know |
| 19:13.15 | streuner | Azar: well, i have a emu10k1 too - none problems here and the soundcard is better than via of course. |
| 19:13.16 | roo9 | specifically, i need 35 drives |
| 19:13.16 | glick | shingouz, should i cal them to send me another battery? |
| 19:13.31 | streuner | Azar: about 10 bucks second hand |
| 19:13.40 | sepski | roo9, well any chassis with multilane backplanes would do , it eases cabeling a lot :) |
| 19:14.04 | shingouz | glick: why not if you like. most batteries do not accept the full charge the first few times though |
| 19:14.04 | sepski | use 2 chassises then |
| 19:14.04 | roo9 | it sounds like a good idea |
| 19:14.08 | roo9 | but i need 35 Drives |
| 19:14.13 | Azar | streuner, my PC has a VIA motherboard kit and the sound is embedded in a chip in the motherboard |
| 19:14.24 | glick | shingouz, so i should let it discharge a few times? |
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| 19:14.34 | streuner | Azar: easy to disable in BIOS |
| 19:14.42 | sepski | roo9, you know if your time is valuable you could just go a buy such a system |
| 19:14.48 | shingouz | glick: yes and remember to let it charge up before you use it again |
| 19:15.02 | Azar | and no slot available to be used with a changed "sound card" |
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| 19:16.01 | dn4 | how do you extact a .tar.bz2 file? |
| 19:16.08 | shingouz | dn4: man tar |
| 19:16.18 | streuner | dn4: /msg dpkg tar |
| 19:16.23 | Lee__ | tar is hard |
| 19:16.26 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.33 | Azar | streuner, maybe I wont stubbornly hang on alsa but I know it worked in sid and people say it works in Sarge ok, my main goal is succeed a perfect installation/configuration to prove myself it can work |
| 19:16.35 | Lee__ | shingouz: tar -jxvf whatever.tbz |
| 19:16.37 | shingouz | !lart Lee__ |
| 19:16.52 | Lee__ | sorry, streuner |
| 19:17.01 | greycat | !be tar barbie |
| 19:17.15 | streuner | !listkeys tar barbie |
| 19:17.15 | Azar | ... there are lots of people out there, with different cards, different Linux distros that are complaining about same error message ... is not only Debian, or the kernel or the card |
| 19:17.17 | roo9 | sepski: from who would you buy it? |
| 19:17.17 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'tar barbie' by key returned no results. |
| 19:17.20 | Azar | I want to find the error |
| 19:17.25 | roo9 | sepski: that's probably what i want |
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| 19:17.41 | greycat | Azar: then work with the linux sound mailing list or whatever it's called these days. |
| 19:17.55 | greycat | Azar: we're just end users here. |
| 19:17.56 | sepski | roo9, i'd use a norwegian integrator, since it's local to my country. |
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| 19:18.09 | Nick0r2 | (20:05:52) (Nick0r2) May 26 20:00:26 2and2 named[19693]: socket.c:1111: unexpected error: |
| 19:18.09 | Nick0r2 | (20:05:52) (Nick0r2) May 26 20:00:26 2and2 named[19693]: internal_send: 216.32.71.42#53: Invalid argument |
| 19:18.11 | Nick0r2 | any ideas? |
| 19:18.13 | greycat | Azar: perhaps #alsa could get you into a productive mode |
| 19:18.15 | Nick0r2 | #dns is unresponsive |
| 19:18.29 | shingouz | Nick0r2: change your dns |
| 19:18.32 | Azar | greycat, right, but I want to learn it the Debian way, my friends would fix it for me in some totally non Debian ways |
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| 19:18.39 | fhffhqvb | !any ideas |
| 19:18.39 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 starving oxen. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 19:18.43 | greycat | Nick0r2: anything with "internal" in it is automatically suspicious of a bug to me. Did the BTS mention it? Did you *file* a bug yet? Did you Google for the error? |
| 19:18.43 | fhffhqvb | !tell Nick0r2 about repeat |
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| 19:18.52 | Nick0r2 | change my dns? |
| 19:18.54 | Nick0r2 | it's my server.. |
| 19:18.55 | ciaron | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.02 | ciaron | arse wrong window |
| 19:19.06 | Azar | ok trying #alsa |
| 19:19.06 | greycat | Nick0r2: tear out your broken firewall if you have one. |
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| 19:19.25 | streuner | Azar: besides, what sound-daemon do you running actually?= |
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| 19:20.00 | thayboiMu | is debian default kernel include ipv6 support ? |
| 19:20.07 | Azar | streuner, how could I tell? |
| 19:20.19 | streuner | thayboiMu: yes |
| 19:20.31 | thayboiMu | cool |
| 19:20.37 | thayboiMu | thanks streuner |
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| 19:20.44 | Azar | alsa channel users are refusing to answer |
| 19:20.56 | c01100011_ | i need some guidance on getting alsa to use all 6 speakers in my 5.1 set, currently nothing is comming out of the sataliteg , and speakers test shows(or sounds i suppose) that some of the speakers are switched, any help/ redirection would be apreciated |
| 19:21.00 | paulswm | !beat alsa channel users |
| 19:21.10 | Azar | <Azar> anyone knows anything about alsa here? |
| 19:21.13 | streuner | Azar: are you running GNOME _OR_ KDE? |
| 19:21.18 | Azar | nobody answered |
| 19:21.18 | c01100011_ | i will aid in the beating , they were useless last night as well |
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| 19:21.27 | Azar | streuner, xdm with openbox on top |
| 19:21.35 | shingouz | Azar: probably not the best question on #alsa |
| 19:21.54 | sepski | roo9, http://www.akiwa.com/proddetail.asp?linenumber=238 40 hotswap bays in 1 box ? nice or what? buy thatone, add a handful of 3ware 9000 with miltilance, and if you are _realy_ lazy you can add a www.open-e.com NAS ide flash module and youd have an instant NAS server for your backup storage |
| 19:21.54 | paulswm | c01100011_: They probably couldn't hear you, HAHA |
| 19:21.59 | Azar | shingouz, yesterday I asked about my error at bootup nobody answered |
| 19:22.02 | ultraviolet16 | Hi, is it possible to insatll sarge with only the first cd then accessing the rest through ftp/http? |
| 19:22.06 | cahoot | c01100011_: what card? |
| 19:22.07 | Azar | is a "static" silent channel |
| 19:22.09 | ultraviolet16 | through a dhcp |
| 19:22.12 | shingouz | Azar: useless bunch that is |
| 19:22.20 | Azar | well maybe they are shy |
| 19:22.22 | plugwash | ultraviolet16 yes |
| 19:22.27 | shingouz | could be... |
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| 19:22.36 | c01100011_ | Abit at7 onboard via - ac97 |
| 19:22.40 | ultraviolet16 | ok good cause I dont have 15 blank cd's |
| 19:22.46 | paulswm | Azar: try changing your nick to "fluffybunnygirl" and try asking again |
| 19:22.55 | Azar | :) |
| 19:23.03 | shingouz | Azar: actually not a too bad idea |
| 19:23.04 | c01100011_ | or will flash for sound |
| 19:23.07 | cahoot | c01100011_: via... what? |
| 19:23.08 | ultraviolet16 | do i need any other images? |
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| 19:23.17 | ultraviolet16 | or only the first? |
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| 19:23.23 | Nick0r2 | greycat: don't have one |
| 19:23.29 | sepski | ultraviolet16, everyone do netinstalls. i do one now from a 4MB cd image. |
| 19:23.30 | plugwash | ultraviolet16 if your system can cd boot then the first full cd is fine on its own |
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| 19:23.39 | c01100011_ | cahoot - it is onboard - i am not sure of the chip, it uses the ac97 driver |
| 19:23.48 | ultraviolet16 | ok beautiful. thanks |
| 19:23.50 | plugwash | that will get the base system installed and then from there you can fetch anything else over the net |
| 19:23.52 | shingouz | sepski: chroot install? |
| 19:24.02 | ultraviolet16 | got you |
| 19:24.05 | sepski | no just the regular installer |
| 19:24.05 | hypz | yes netinstalls are much more up to date and efficient |
| 19:24.07 | ultraviolet16 | thanks for the help, bye |
| 19:24.08 | plugwash | the only time you would ever want the full cd set for debian is if you are likely to be stuck without an internet connection |
| 19:24.14 | Nick0r2 | greycat: I have no firewall, but that error is spamming my daemon log :S |
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| 19:24.33 | c01100011_ | cahoot- Realtek AL650 |
| 19:24.43 | plugwash | most of the packages on the later cds are stuff only a few people are likely to ever wan't anyway |
| 19:24.58 | Azar | c01100011_ has the same sound hardware I have |
| 19:25.16 | paulswm | !apostrophesmite plugwash |
| 19:25.26 | paulswm | :D |
| 19:25.26 | Azar | via82xx AC97 |
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| 19:25.30 | c01100011_ | azar - do you happen to be using all 6 channels ? |
| 19:25.44 | shingouz | lets see if he has the same problem, Azar |
| 19:25.51 | Azar | c01100011_ so my alsa configuration settings say |
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| 19:26.02 | plugwash | !lart paulswm |
| 19:26.11 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 19:26.13 | fhffhqvb | !alc650 |
| 19:26.14 | dpkg | ALC650 is the soundchip of satan! Kill it! Kill it now! Use a hammer! |
| 19:26.16 | c01100011_ | Azar you have configurations, you are one up on me ! |
| 19:26.20 | sepski | whats the easiest to administer mailling list daemon included in sarge ? |
| 19:26.23 | Azar | c01100011_ do you get a warning error message at bootup about card not being found? |
| 19:26.26 | Nick0r2 | guys |
| 19:26.31 | Nick0r2 | relays.monkeys.com |
| 19:26.32 | Nick0r2 | what is it? |
| 19:26.43 | Azar | alsa_ctl_open: no cards found.. |
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| 19:27.02 | c01100011_ | not that i know of , but i haven't booted in a long time , and never read it |
| 19:27.05 | sepski | Nick0r2, without actualy going there and checking, i'd do a wild guess at some open realy blacklist of some kind |
| 19:27.09 | dondelelcaro | sepski: probably mailman... but there may be a few others |
| 19:27.19 | sepski | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 19:27.33 | cahoot | c01100011_: tried this page? http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=via8233 |
| 19:27.45 | Azar | oops am I getting disconnected? |
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| 19:27.50 | Azar | lag |
| 19:27.51 | coywolf | !libwww |
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| 19:28.03 | quiet | if anyone cares, I just made a new Debian wallpaper.. check it out at http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/16418294/ |
| 19:28.11 | shingouz | Azar: no, just lobotomized |
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| 19:28.26 | Azar | ok I have to change servers here |
| 19:28.29 | Nick0r2 | sepski: apparenltly i'm quering tthem or something, how can I stop it? |
| 19:28.55 | plugwash | !rtl8139 |
| 19:28.55 | dpkg | well, rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c> |
| 19:29.04 | niclas5 | hi! is there a cd-burning channel or can anybody recommend a program different from cdrecord (which obviously won't work with my 2.6.11.10 kernel... grrr) ? |
| 19:29.06 | sepski | Nick0r2, reconfigure your mailserver to not use relay checks against that blacklist provider |
| 19:29.21 | plugwash | !rtl81x9.c |
| 19:29.21 | dpkg | it has been said that rtl81x9.c is the openbsd realtek 8129/8139 PCI NIC driver. Quote: "The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made, with the possible exception of the FEAST chip made by SMC. The 8139 supports bus-master DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance gains that bus-master DMA usually offers." |
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| 19:29.34 | coywolf | !rtl81x9.c |
| 19:29.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, rtl81x9.c is the openbsd realtek 8129/8139 PCI NIC driver. Quote: "The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made, with the possible exception of the FEAST chip made by SMC. The 8139 supports bus-master DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance gains that bus-master DMA usually offers." |
| 19:29.47 | sepski | Nick0r2, but now your going after the assumpthis that what i said was correct, arnt you going to check for yourself ? |
| 19:30.11 | shingouz | plugwash, coywolf: msg dpkg instead of flooding the channel |
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| 19:31.46 | Nick0r2 | sepski: I really don't know how to do that... |
| 19:31.55 | cahoot | niclas5: /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup is of no help? |
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| 19:33.14 | shingouz | oh ffs.. |
| 19:33.14 | niclas5 | cahoot: i didn't read it, cause i have a SCSI-burner. /dev/sr0 ... |
| 19:33.14 | Azar | are all the servers going down? |
| 19:33.14 | c01100011_ | Azar - loooks like it |
| 19:33.14 | cahoot | niclas5: sorry |
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| 19:33.16 | niclas5 | cahoot: so... nothing much about atapi i guess |
| 19:33.16 | Azar | .. |
| 19:33.29 | abrotman | Azar: it's a netsplit |
| 19:33.42 | Azar | yeah, I seen |
| 19:33.44 | niclas5 | maybe i shoulkd emulate an ide-drive, so i can use ide-scsi... *donk* |
| 19:33.47 | Azar | maybe maintenance day |
| 19:33.57 | shingouz | netsplits suck butt |
| 19:34.03 | DerSchotte | Not, check freenoode.net for a server near you, don't just use irc.debian.org |
| 19:34.31 | Azar | yup... lunch time afk |
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| 19:36.21 | abrotman | DerSchotte: same thing |
| 19:36.32 | smagy2 | hello folks this is so elementary and yet i can't figure this out. i setting up 2 computer network connected by a hackiing 100M switch. machin A (debian) has 192.168.0.1 and machine B (suse) are trying to ping each other and both of them are failing. tcpdump on both the machine shows 15:27:16.542928 arp who-has 192.168.0.3 tell 192.168.0.1 and the reverse arp requests are going on from the other machine. i would really appreaciate some help. |
| 19:36.56 | DerSchotte | abrotman: not really, I dont get a rip using local IRC server |
| 19:37.17 | smagy2 | i meant hawking |
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| 19:37.28 | abrotman | DerSchotte: they are the same thing .. do an nslookup on them |
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| 19:38.33 | DerSchotte | Oh come on, you know that a server crash != node crash, and show me a DNS that takes "closest" addy. |
| 19:38.39 | Gothfunc | "mount -t nfs server:/stuff /stuff" returns "mount: RPC: Program not registered". portmap is running. /proc/filesystems shows nfs. the server can mount from itself using nfs. all involved packages are freshly installed. any ideas? |
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| 19:39.11 | Gothfunc | client machine is sarge 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 19:40.09 | eeyore- | back :-> |
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| 19:40.46 | Karnaugh | hi |
| 19:40.46 | eeyore- | i'm trying to talk my company into sponsoring a team for DARPA grand challenge. think thye'll go for it? :-> if they do, man, it'll be linux galore ;-) in terms of the onboard computers |
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| 19:40.59 | Karnaugh | dos anyone know what package the Cyrus-SASL stuff is in? |
| 19:41.03 | Karnaugh | *does |
| 19:41.08 | shingouz | eeyore-: i sure hope they go for it |
| 19:41.16 | eeyore- | Karnaugh: cyrus* |
| 19:41.19 | abrotman | eeyore-: i'd go with ARM cpus if i were you |
| 19:41.19 | c01100011_ | speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 is giving me out put on most of the speakers- they aren't beping acording to the correct names, is everything i need to fix this in gnome-alsamixer or is there more to it ? |
| 19:41.26 | eeyore- | abrotman: of course ;-) |
| 19:41.31 | shingouz | would be really nice to have the winnign vehicle running debian, think about the prestige, eeyore- |
| 19:41.42 | Karnaugh | eeyore-: do you know where it is? :P |
| 19:41.46 | eeyore- | abrotman: it'd be a showcase/exporsure |
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| 19:41.54 | eeyore- | Karnaugh: dselect, search for it (with "/" key) |
| 19:41.56 | abrotman | eeyore-: might be good publicity |
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| 19:42.00 | eeyore- | abrotman: exactly! |
| 19:42.07 | abrotman | eeyore-: do eet! |
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| 19:42.20 | DerSchotte | Karnaugh: sasl-bin or sasl2-bin |
| 19:42.23 | Triffid_Hunter | c01100011_: i've never used gnome-alsamixer but it sounds like you need to play with /etc/asoundrc |
| 19:42.23 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'm hoping they'll do it. already entered an idea into internal idea submission page. |
| 19:42.35 | abrotman | eeyore-: are you handy as a mechanic ? |
| 19:42.37 | eeyore- | abrotman: and if they do go for it, i get to work with Jeeps :-) |
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| 19:42.41 | Karnaugh | DerSchotte: thanks |
| 19:42.45 | abrotman | eeyore-: why jeeps ? .. |
| 19:42.57 | david | can anyone point me to a good howto on compiling modules against the kernel source tree? I'm not coming up with anything obvious on google |
| 19:42.59 | Karnaugh | eeyore-: I was, but I didnt realise that Cyrus was an entire mail system too :P |
| 19:43.01 | shingouz | abrotman: why not jeeps |
| 19:43.14 | c01100011_ | Triffid_Hunter I don't have a /etc/asoundrc |
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| 19:43.21 | eeyore- | abrotman: somewhat ... i won't kill anyone, that's for sure. why jeeps? because we have a club here and we have vendor who's really involved. i could get them talking to ARM and see if something comes up |
| 19:43.32 | abrotman | shingouz: i vote for ... land rovers! |
| 19:43.34 | doub | david: module-assistant is your friend. just install, launch it and follow on-screen instructions |
| 19:43.35 | eeyore- | abrotman: besides, the grand challenge will be on 175 miles of desert. why not jeeps? :-) |
| 19:43.42 | Karnaugh | hmm |
| 19:43.45 | abrotman | land rover! |
| 19:43.47 | Triffid_Hunter | c01100011_: so its using automagically guessed settings ;) |
| 19:43.49 | eeyore- | abrotman: you know, them being UK company they MIGHT insist on Land Rovers ;-) |
| 19:43.53 | david | doub: is that available in woody? |
| 19:44.16 | doub | david: not that i know of. use make-kpkg for debian packaged modules then |
| 19:44.20 | shingouz | abrotman: hummer. the real thing and not one of those wimpyass thingies |
| 19:44.23 | abrotman | eeyore-: heh .. i'd say it's a wash between land rover and jeep |
| 19:44.38 | DerSchotte | Karnaugh: sasl is required by cyrus but can be installed on it's own if you want saslauthd functionality |
| 19:44.42 | eeyore- | abrotman: there was one team in 2004 that entered with .... get this .... minivan |
| 19:44.49 | abrotman | eeyore-: hey .. if it works |
| 19:44.52 | doub | david: for other modules, just install the kernel-headers-$(uname -r) and compile as described |
| 19:44.53 | c01100011_ | Tmiffid_Hunter- hence my screwy auido, maybe I am getting somewhere, how do i go about creating one and making settings for output ? |
| 19:44.58 | david | doub: will do... just want to make sure I put the module source in the right place... |
| 19:45.00 | eeyore- | abrotman: no, it crashed into the wall from starting gate :-p |
| 19:45.13 | eeyore- | abrotman: there went one mom's car :-> |
| 19:45.14 | abrotman | eeyore-: i meant getting the equipment inside :) |
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| 19:45.27 | Karnaugh | DerSchotte: yea that was the plan, thanks :) I was just searching for "cyrus2" not "cyrus" so i didnt see the sasl2 package |
| 19:45.36 | doub | david: it's only important for debian packaged modules, and the packages takes care of this for you |
| 19:45.46 | FieldySnuts | !prize SCO |
| 19:45.55 | FieldySnuts | er guess that's not what I wanted |
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| 19:46.06 | shingouz | !prise sco |
| 19:46.17 | eeyore- | abrotman: well, considering that on a scouting trip for the 2004 challenge, they broke the axle on a ford F250 ... i'd say you need something a little tougher than minivan. something with, say, a DANA 44 or some |
| 19:46.24 | shingouz | FieldySnuts: was that what you were looking for? |
| 19:46.36 | abrotman | eeyore-: replace steel with carbon! |
| 19:46.37 | FieldySnuts | oh yeah |
| 19:46.42 | FieldySnuts | haha goat |
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| 19:47.02 | shingouz | eeyore-: on a F250 you would need Dana 60 amd the 44 on the front |
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| 19:47.04 | FieldySnuts | !prise Phated |
| 19:47.05 | Azar | c01100011_: here is the site but cafuego had another better way to deal with that : http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=VIA&card=.&chip=VIA82C686%2C+VIA8233%2C+VIA8233A%2C+VIA8235&module=via82xx |
| 19:47.05 | eeyore- | abrotman: imagine ... Debian powering autonomous vehicles |
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| 19:47.23 | greycat | poorly constructed factoid. |
| 19:47.26 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's creepy |
| 19:47.27 | FieldySnuts | seems so |
| 19:47.30 | Azar | c01100011_, it was about installing the latest alsa-driver |
| 19:47.39 | eeyore- | abrotman: "Sid is in driver seat" :-> |
| 19:47.49 | abrotman | eeyore-: what .. no sarge ? |
| 19:48.30 | Azar | apt-get install alsa-source module-assistant kernel-headers- `uname -r` |
| 19:48.38 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: prise (.*?) =~ s/removes $1 from the (sheep|goat|Welshman) he was molesting/stops $1 from molesting that (sheep|goat|Welshman)/ |
| 19:48.38 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 19:49.21 | greycat | Azar: no space after -headers- |
| 19:49.26 | Azar | or was greycat, .... |
| 19:49.37 | Azar | ah yes thanks greycat |
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| 19:50.08 | ultraviolet16 | how can I see a list of channels on this server? |
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| 19:50.13 | dondelelcaro | ultraviolet16: /list |
| 19:50.16 | ultraviolet16 | ty |
| 19:50.25 | david | doub: installing kernel-headers... hmmm.. I'm working with 2.4.30 source from kernel.org, that should include the headers, no? |
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| 19:51.01 | doub | david: yes. the kernel-headers are only useful for the matching debian kernel-image anyway |
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| 19:51.27 | ultraviolet16 | has anyone seen anywhere on the net where someone has attempted to isntall osx on a linux machine? |
| 19:51.32 | ultraviolet16 | that is everything but darwin |
| 19:51.32 | david | doub: okay... off to experiment. THanks! |
| 19:51.39 | doub | david: you probably will need the kernel headers for your running kernel, which are not always the same as the vanilla just-unppacked headers |
| 19:52.18 | c01100011_ | Azar- I FIXED MY SOUND PROBLEMS -it was just the matter of sifting through all the items in Alsa mixer such as Exchange Center/LFE and others to find out which channels need to be switched / turned on |
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| 19:52.23 | Apfelstrudel | Hi |
| 19:52.24 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: OS-X is PPC code. why should it run on "a" linux machine that's not PPC-Linux, and even so, why would you do such a thing? |
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| 19:52.35 | Apfelstrudel | Can someone help me installing CPUFREQD ???? |
| 19:52.43 | ultraviolet16 | its to do it on an 386 |
| 19:52.44 | abrotman | eeyore-: opendarwin will |
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| 19:53.12 | ultraviolet16 | for the simple reason that it will be "cool" to install a macos on a non mac computer |
| 19:53.18 | eeyore- | abrotman: OK but didn't he just say "anything but darwin"? i guess he meant the rest of the whiz-bang stuff that makes it OSX |
| 19:53.22 | doub | ultraviolet16: install pearpc, follow the instructions from there website. but be prepared, it's damn slow |
| 19:53.28 | resiak | !there |
| 19:53.29 | dpkg | Learn to use there properly. "Look, it's over there!", not "So english is there first language?" or "There going to release it soon." |
| 19:53.30 | abrotman | eeyore-: yes .. that is PPC only officially |
| 19:53.32 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: you do *not* want a PC emulating a PPC |
| 19:53.40 | ultraviolet16 | pearpc is really slow.. and its like an emulation |
| 19:53.48 | doub | their* even, thanks resiak |
| 19:53.51 | resiak | "like" an emulation? |
| 19:54.00 | resiak | s/"/_/g |
| 19:54.00 | doub | ultraviolet16: it *is* |
| 19:54.09 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: so you want a *simulation*? simple! Power Point! |
| 19:54.11 | ultraviolet16 | the darwin kernel is specified for the mac hardware.. im wonderin about using a different kernel |
| 19:54.30 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: you want Aqua to run on Linux kernel ? |
| 19:54.36 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: ok, you clearly have no clue .... |
| 19:54.38 | resiak | You want Aqua to run on non-PPC? |
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| 19:54.44 | ultraviolet16 | im n00b ok, so bear in mind i mind say things that are dumb, but im trying to learn here.. |
| 19:54.47 | ultraviolet16 | exactly |
| 19:54.49 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: put down the Star Trek crackpipe |
| 19:54.53 | c01100011_ | !n00b |
| 19:54.53 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 19:54.55 | ultraviolet16 | lol |
| 19:55.03 | abrotman | ultraviolet16: beg apple .. and watch them laugh .. |
| 19:55.04 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: in the *real world*, it very much matters what CPU you're dealing with |
| 19:55.31 | ultraviolet16 | the 64-bit archeticture you mean? |
| 19:55.37 | ultraviolet16 | tecture |
| 19:55.43 | Gnea | texture |
| 19:55.45 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: it's more than just the "kernel". everything on Mac OS-X is compiled for PPC machine code. there's no way to get native PPC code to run on x86 platform (which uses IAPX86 machine code) |
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| 19:56.00 | elias | I could connect to my cisco devices using minicom, but I am not able to end the program. What is CTRL-A Z ??? CTRL+ALT+Z? |
| 19:56.17 | mufa | ctrl-a-x |
| 19:56.21 | ultraviolet16 | are you talking about the isa by any chance? |
| 19:56.27 | sepski | elias, ctrl+a [release both keys] press [Z] |
| 19:56.29 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: analogy, "x86 speaks English and PPC speaks swahili, you're trying to get an english-speaking person to understand text written in swahili" |
| 19:56.35 | Gnea | elias: do a ctrl-a, then hit z on it's own |
| 19:56.41 | ciaron | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 19:56.42 | doub | ultraviolet16: any compiled program in the known universe is compiled for a particular architecture. you can't have it run on another without an arch emulator |
| 19:56.44 | elias | a or alt? |
| 19:56.47 | ciaron | while running apt-get upgrade |
| 19:56.48 | resiak | ultraviolet16: ISA is a bus type, which is completely irrelevant here. |
| 19:56.51 | Gnea | a |
| 19:56.54 | ciaron | is there any way of further debugging this? |
| 19:57.00 | resiak | ciaron: Look further up -- what's the error? |
| 19:57.07 | ultraviolet16 | instruction set archetecture? |
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| 19:57.24 | eeyore- | resiak: ISA is also Instruction Set Architecture |
| 19:57.25 | ciaron | dpkg: error processing apache (--configure): |
| 19:57.25 | ciaron | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.30 | ciaron | resiak |
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| 19:57.34 | ultraviolet16 | aren't there different instruction sets for different cpu types? |
| 19:57.35 | resiak | ciaron |
| 19:57.37 | Gremlin[ | hello |
| 19:57.38 | Gnea | elias: there are a couple types of configuration for minicom - by default it uses the ctrl-a scheme, but it can also use meta keys (aka alt) |
| 19:57.41 | resiak | ciaron: Further up? |
| 19:57.44 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: of course |
| 19:57.45 | resiak | ultraviolet16: Yes, there are. |
| 19:57.47 | doub | ultraviolet16: you're getting at it |
| 19:57.50 | mufa | elias:ctrl-a-x |
| 19:57.52 | ciaron | resiak thats first thing |
| 19:57.52 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: sometimes even within same CPU types |
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| 19:57.57 | ultraviolet16 | oooo |
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| 19:58.01 | Gremlin[ | suddenly when i do a apt-get i get a "bus error" |
| 19:58.04 | Gremlin[ | any ideeas ? |
| 19:58.04 | resiak | ciaron: ARe you running Sid? |
| 19:58.06 | ultraviolet16 | damn. |
| 19:58.07 | Gnea | mufa: that would be ctrl-a x |
| 19:58.07 | resiak | !any ideas |
| 19:58.07 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little vegemite, and a handful of starving kittens. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 19:58.09 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: so, no, you can't get an x86 to execute PPC code ... like i said, this is *not* Star Trek |
| 19:58.09 | ultraviolet16 | well that sucks |
| 19:58.20 | mufa | Gnea: yes, sorry about last dash |
| 19:58.26 | elias | I got a keyboard option in my windows ssh client: use alt as meta key (send escape)? what is that for? |
| 19:58.27 | Gnea | - denotes that all are held down at once,like ctrl-alt-del :) |
| 19:58.28 | resiak | !bus error |
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| 19:58.29 | doub | ultraviolet16: in a compiled program, there are instructions, those are part of an instruction set |
| 19:58.33 | ultraviolet16 | its just a crazy idea, wondering if possible |
| 19:58.34 | resiak | !busserror |
| 19:58.37 | resiak | !buserror |
| 19:58.41 | ciaron | resiak: "testing" |
| 19:58.41 | Gnea | mufa: no problem :) |
| 19:58.44 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: you can use powerpoint ;-) |
| 19:58.47 | Gremlin[ | !buserror |
| 19:58.54 | ultraviolet16 | ever since i've gotten into linux i see you can do so much.. so why not that |
| 19:58.56 | doub | ultraviolet16: it's as possible as running windows programs on macosx |
| 19:59.04 | resiak | Gremlin[: i'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 19:59.08 | eeyore- | doub: that's plausible |
| 19:59.12 | DerSchotte | Hah, even if the local mirror doesn't have the file, jigdo goes to http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debi#an/ to complete the image, excellent :D |
| 19:59.16 | resiak | ciaron: Are you _sure_ that's the first thing it says? |
| 19:59.22 | doub | eeyore-: either way, yes. but not easy |
| 19:59.23 | resiak | ciaron: Go paste the whole thing in #flood |
| 19:59.28 | Seb | ultraviolet16: there's obviously some basic concepts about machine code that you're missing here |
| 19:59.29 | Gnea | ultraviolet16: well you can run emulated environments if that's what you mean |
| 19:59.39 | sepski | yay!!! my brand old trashed and recovered digital alpha actualy rebooted into debian sarge now :)) |
| 19:59.51 | eeyore- | or you can "simulate" the environment, but nobody came up with that so far |
| 20:00.10 | elias | so ctrl-a x is exit and reset. what does the reset in this case mean? reset of the line but not of the router of course? |
| 20:00.13 | elias | right? |
| 20:00.14 | eeyore- | you can also do "binary translation" beforehand, to get native speed, but again, nobody has done this |
| 20:00.14 | ultraviolet16 | i read that the emulated enironment runs at 1/15 the speed of the regular machine |
| 20:00.21 | Gnea | ultraviolet16: it's just not as easy to do, you have to study every detail unless someone's done it already and written a program that makes it 'easy' |
| 20:00.50 | elias | and what for is there a quit with no reset? |
| 20:00.51 | resiak | ultraviolet16: Depends entirely on the architecture you're emulating the architecture you're emulating _on_. |
| 20:00.51 | Gnea | right, any emulated environment is only going to use a subset of the main systems capacity, otherwise the main system would not be able to support it |
| 20:00.56 | mufa | elias: I think it is ctrl-a q, but I not sure |
| 20:01.11 | doub | eeyore-: i was just wondering about that one, why has anybody ever thought about it? is it that emulator writers want to show how big theirs are? |
| 20:01.14 | ultraviolet16 | well! i have 4 g4 motherboards here at home with no computer |
| 20:01.15 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: that depends on the respective computing powers of the platforms in question |
| 20:01.18 | ultraviolet16 | maybe I can install it on there? |
| 20:01.49 | ultraviolet16 | bought it off of friend for $100 to sell on ebay.. i can use one of them |
| 20:01.53 | Gnea | ultraviolet16: sounds like fun, have you gotten them to at least bootup? |
| 20:01.58 | ultraviolet16 | i have the mb cpu and heat sink |
| 20:02.00 | elias | mufa: thst is right, but still i do not know what it actually does. what will be or will be not resetted using either ctrl-a x or ctrl-a q? |
| 20:02.00 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: for example, on an athlon64 4000+, we can get 100% clock speed of an emulated platform (but only because the target platform is an ARM core running at around 300MHz or so) |
| 20:02.12 | niktaris | anyone knows where to find the .deb sources of kde 3.4 ? |
| 20:02.15 | doub | eeyore-: i think there is a technical problem that prevents it to happen |
| 20:02.22 | mufa | elias: I suggest you read minicom manual. I think it is written there pretty clear. |
| 20:02.26 | abrotman | niktaris: #debian-kde |
| 20:02.36 | Gnea | ultraviolet16: IOW, have you tested them? i sure wouldn't buy hardware that isn't tested - made that mistake already heh |
| 20:02.40 | mufa | elias: the cisco router will not be reseted |
| 20:02.48 | DerSchotte | ultraviolet16: I think they meant that an S/390, AS/400, i386, Sparc, PowerPC, etc all have different instructions |
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| 20:03.19 | ultraviolet16 | its from a trusted source.. my neighbor |
| 20:03.27 | ultraviolet16 | i'll go and kick his ass if they dont work ;) |
| 20:03.34 | Gnea | i don't know your neighbor and i don't know you |
| 20:03.37 | thefly | how long do you think we'll have to wait to see postgres 8 in debian? |
| 20:03.38 | greycat | that's not trusted; it's verifiable :) |
| 20:03.39 | BucWheat | deadcat splashy works beautifully for me :) |
| 20:03.42 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: neighbours have been known to rape/murder/commit atrocious acts on one another |
| 20:03.45 | resiak | ciaron: I haven't a clue, sorry. |
| 20:03.58 | ciaron | resiak: np, thanks for trying |
| 20:03.59 | Gnea | ultraviolet16: i'd feel better if you personally took the time to make sure that the hardware is bonafide |
| 20:04.02 | eeyore- | ultraviolet16: not to mention selling each other crappy broken hardware (read: yard sale) |
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| 20:04.06 | doub | thefly: wir |
| 20:04.21 | thefly | doub: wir? |
| 20:04.22 | ultraviolet16 | ok |
| 20:04.27 | thefly | when it's ready? |
| 20:04.28 | Gnea | otherwise, be sure to state that in your description unless you or your neighbor don't wanna get burned |
| 20:04.31 | doub | thefly: exactly |
| 20:04.35 | thefly | doub: mofo? |
| 20:04.39 | ultraviolet16 | ill check it before i sell |
| 20:04.39 | thefly | you know that? |
| 20:04.45 | Gnea | :) |
| 20:04.49 | niktaris | abrotman, already asked :) |
| 20:04.52 | Gnea | good deal, you'll get more bids that way ;) |
| 20:04.58 | abrotman | niktaris: and they did'nt know ? |
| 20:05.08 | eeyore- | abrotman: so, are you handy? |
| 20:05.08 | doub | thefly: not that one |
| 20:05.10 | elias | mufa: what the reset actually means is not stated in the man page. only that the modem will be resetted. what ever effect that would have and whatever would happen when no reset is done is not mentioned. |
| 20:05.12 | Gnea | more bids, less bullshit |
| 20:05.15 | abrotman | eeyore-: mildly |
| 20:05.19 | niktaris | abrotman, no answer yet |
| 20:05.21 | ultraviolet16 | dammit i was just download sarge iso 1 and it stopped short |
| 20:05.21 | abrotman | eeyore-: but i'm kind of far away to work on it |
| 20:05.22 | doub | thefly: but i guess i know, thanks |
| 20:05.27 | resiak | !d-i ultraviolet16 |
| 20:05.27 | abrotman | niktaris: did you check the topic ? |
| 20:05.28 | dpkg | ultraviolet16, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:05.35 | thefly | doub: i guess that answer is useless |
| 20:05.38 | eeyore- | abrotman: yeah, you would have to be in socal really |
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| 20:05.54 | abrotman | eeyore-: that can be arranged :) |
| 20:06.01 | ultraviolet16 | the i iso though says to be a certain size, but it stopped well short and said download was over |
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| 20:06.07 | ultraviolet16 | ohweel |
| 20:06.14 | ultraviolet16 | I'll check it out, thanks guys, bye |
| 20:06.16 | resiak | ultraviolet16: md5sum it |
| 20:06.16 | mufa | elias: it will not reset your cisco |
| 20:06.18 | eeyore- | abrotman: not by me :-) *i* don't have the budget |
| 20:06.22 | eeyore- | abrotman: :-) |
| 20:06.29 | eeyore- | bbl, lunch |
| 20:06.29 | ultraviolet16 | im on a windows machine now |
| 20:06.30 | niktaris | abrotman, er... here or #debian-kde? |
| 20:06.30 | doub | thefly: which one? just package it if you want it. don't you know most of the DD are not paid? |
| 20:06.30 | abrotman | eeyore-: hrm .. can you rob another dept ? |
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| 20:06.39 | DerSchotte | Only 210 files away from 2nd sarge DVD ISO according to jigdo. |
| 20:06.42 | ultraviolet16 | can i md5sum from dos? |
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| 20:06.50 | Gnea | heh, HP has a new Wintendo Entertainment System |
| 20:06.55 | abrotman | niktaris: #debian-kde ... /topic #debian-kde |
| 20:06.57 | Gnea | flatscreen, $4k |
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| 20:07.03 | smagy2 | hello folks, i am a newbie when it comes to kernel patching. would appreciat help on to apply the following patch http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/4/12/611 |
| 20:07.16 | doub | thefly: that's why i think my answer is not useless. i didn't mean it to be useful, either way |
| 20:07.21 | abrotman | smagy2: #kernel might be more help |
| 20:07.23 | david__ | doub: looks like I installed the module with no errors... just wanted to say thanks. |
| 20:07.28 | niktaris | abrotman, yes. Did I miss something ? |
| 20:07.33 | smagy2 | abortman: thanks |
| 20:07.33 | doub | david__: np |
| 20:07.36 | abrotman | niktaris: are you serious ? |
| 20:07.37 | DerSchotte | Tomorrow my H/W get a reformation and debian-installer from 2xDVD gets a test. |
| 20:07.49 | abrotman | wait |
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| 20:08.06 | abrotman | why the fuck does the #debian-kde thing say "Disregard if you are a #debian luser - KDE 3.4-PREVIEW packages deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0 ." |
| 20:08.22 | abrotman | missed the ending / .. but you get the gist |
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| 20:08.38 | thefly | doub: i'm not complaining that it's not ready |
| 20:08.39 | niktaris | abrotman, I first asked there. got no answer and THEN connected here |
| 20:08.43 | doub | !start a channel war |
| 20:08.43 | thefly | doub: i just wanted to know the state |
| 20:08.46 | thefly | doub: mofo |
| 20:08.58 | abrotman | niktaris: i'm trying to figure out why it says not to use if you are a #debian luser |
| 20:09.06 | carlos_ | #debian-es |
| 20:09.15 | niktaris | abrotman, oh I don't know |
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| 20:09.19 | DerSchotte | because debian uses GNOME ? |
| 20:09.25 | doub | thefly: where are you from? |
| 20:09.48 | abrotman | DerSchotte: no |
| 20:09.50 | sepski | DerSchotte, get real |
| 20:09.51 | thefly | doub: for example i just discovered it's in Experimental, this is the kind of information that i was expecting. Usefull and flameless |
| 20:10.17 | thefly | doub: answering with tauthology is being nerd |
| 20:10.24 | DerSchotte | OMG, who want the Windows emulatoer KDE any ways ? ;) |
| 20:10.34 | resiak | abrotman: I think it's if you're someone who's been sent that way from here. |
| 20:10.46 | abrotman | resiak: but why? |
| 20:10.47 | bbrazil | abrotman: because this channel has a tendacy to point people looking for the latest kde/gnome/whatever elsewhere? |
| 20:10.56 | greycat | !start a de war |
| 20:11.01 | greycat | !start a desketop war |
| 20:11.04 | greycat | !start a desktop war |
| 20:11.04 | dpkg | enlightenment: the choice for the -smarter- debian user. |
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| 20:11.24 | Azar | I like openbox, is easy on a newbie like me |
| 20:11.25 | DerSchotte | !kde |
| 20:11.25 | dpkg | i guess kde is a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.4.0. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details. for woody check out http://www.apt-get.org/, or not a window manager |
| 20:11.39 | tarzeau | !gnustep |
| 20:11.39 | dpkg | hmm... gnustep is a cross-platform development environmnt based on OpenStep., or going to be really awesome, if it ever gets finished, or http://www.gnustep.org/, or http://www.lefinnois.net/step-art/, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/ (tarzeau the fanboy) |
| 20:11.39 | DerSchotte | dpkg has to guess :D |
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| 20:11.46 | c01100011_ | sorry this is not at all debian, but maybe i can get some quick help or redirection to a good source for info, how do i setup xmms to use 6 speakers , aka fake surround sound |
| 20:11.51 | sepski | bbrazil, i'v never understood why giveing people directions to where they can find their answers shoudl be a bad think. |
| 20:12.05 | greycat | 16:12 #xmms 33 http://www.xmms.org | http://tnsp.org/faq.php || Gentoo? Make |
| 20:12.05 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.05 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.27 | hypz | i love fluxbox :), I don't really like the whole Gnome/Kde look, especially not Kde |
| 20:12.34 | sloopy | |
| 20:12.34 | sloopy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.37 | bbrazil | sepski: neither do I, but they don't sit in this channel and I can kinda see the point |
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| 20:12.42 | sloopy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.50 | thefly | hypz: i hate fluxbox since last upgrade, i don't like the icons in the menu, fuck that |
| 20:12.54 | Azar | !op kick the prick |
| 20:12.57 | doub | thefly: just asking in here because you don't want to bother is plain laziness, you know? you did answer yourself in a short time. but i don't give a damn about who is right and who is wrong |
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| 20:13.12 | sloopy | sorry... |
| 20:13.17 | doub | thefly: so please don't insult me because i don't think the same was as you do. |
| 20:13.18 | Azar | pffff |
| 20:13.20 | thefly | doub: good, than next time don't answer with a useless answer |
| 20:13.32 | hypz | thefly: You can get rid of the icons and stuff |
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| 20:13.57 | thefly | hypz: i hope so, i still haven't had time to read the doc, i just checked the configuration menu and nothing is said about icons |
| 20:14.02 | thefly | IIRC |
| 20:14.07 | hypz | I just apt-get installed it, and I didn't have icons |
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| 20:14.13 | doub | thefly: 'useless' is your point of view. i don't think i say useless things, i want to crucify people who do. so if i did tell you that, i had a reason. so be it |
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| 20:14.34 | DerSchotte | apt-get now has icons ??? |
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| 20:14.41 | hypz | no |
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| 20:14.51 | thefly | doub: well, don't blame me if i insult you, considering your aim is to "crucify" me |
| 20:15.00 | hypz | DerSchotte: fluxbox can have icons now |
| 20:15.06 | hypz | not apt-get |
| 20:15.09 | greycat | thefly: I could arrange it so that you never have to get useless answers here again. |
| 20:15.12 | doub | thefly: who said i would? |
| 20:15.12 | Azar | ...speaking of which I forgot what program I need to have openbox adjust the text size, I just remember I used to rightclick and drag on a console screen to have font size adjusted |
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| 20:15.38 | thefly | greycat: it's not my fault |
| 20:15.40 | doub | thefly: i don't think the way you do |
| 20:15.59 | thefly | i aksed politely, and this nerd answered unpolitely |
| 20:16.27 | greycat | 16:03 thefly> how long do you think we'll have to wait to see postgres 8 in |
| 20:16.27 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.27 | greycat | 16:04 doub> thefly: wir |
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| 20:16.34 | [1]paco | i installed my kernel headers for (uname -r); i cannot seem to find them. |
| 20:16.45 | greycat | doub's answer *was* the correct one. |
| 20:16.51 | hypz | thefly: The icons in the fluxbox menu are just set in the menu file by the way |
| 20:16.51 | thefly | yes |
| 20:17.03 | thefly | if you spend 21 hours in front of the computer |
| 20:17.03 | Azar | paco it must be in /usr/src directory somewhere |
| 20:17.11 | thefly | then you appreciate tauthology |
| 20:17.14 | [1]paco | azar, let me check again |
| 20:17.18 | thefly | but in the real world, this is being unpolite |
| 20:17.24 | Seb | thefly: you don't get it do you ? |
| 20:17.31 | thefly | Seb: sorry? |
| 20:17.32 | Azar | thefly I spend 24 out of 24 front of a computer and I do not complain |
| 20:17.33 | runa | hey.. I've compiled my own kernel, w/ amd64 support. now, Im doing the debian amd64 chroot install but when I try to execute bin/bash (or chroot) I get bash: ./bin/bash: cannot execute binary file any ideas? |
| 20:17.37 | simonrvn | no s/he doesn't |
| 20:17.48 | [1]paco | azar, does it make a difference if i did not compile my own j\kernel, i simply am using the one that came with the ditro? |
| 20:17.53 | thefly | Azar: then you'r good |
| 20:17.58 | DerSchotte | hmmm, thefly, I had 7.4 in woody installed on /usr/local, getting 8.x on sarge there SHOULDN'T be a problem for an admin |
| 20:18.09 | Seb | thefly: after 21 hours of seeing stupid fucking questions like that we have a right to be impolite and tell ya to fuck off. Or "when it's ready" for that matter |
| 20:18.09 | thefly | DerSchotte: nobody said it's a problem |
| 20:18.12 | Azar | paco : you work less at configuration with a precompiled kernel |
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| 20:18.24 | thefly | Seb: stfu, you're free to ignore me |
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| 20:18.33 | Azar | paco: you configure better with an unofficial one |
| 20:18.34 | coywolf | does epic support color? |
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| 20:18.55 | [1]paco | azar, okay...thx...but let me check in /usr/src..like you said, its gotta be there |
| 20:18.59 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:19.00 | doub | thefly: that is not an unpolite answer, to me, but rather a base concept of free software. and i don't spend 21 hrs in front of the computer, for your information |
| 20:19.10 | coywolf | !epic |
| 20:19.19 | simonrvn | Azar: same effect a -v does in an +m channel |
| 20:19.31 | doub | thefly: we, however, live a very different reality, for that matter. |
| 20:19.48 | Azar | yay!! that is fun |
| 20:19.59 | DerSchotte | thefly: Unless there is a really *GOOD* reason to upgrade a distro package. tp a new version, I have no idea when the the nex debian release is planned |
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| 20:21.21 | AbuseTheElderly | Hello |
| 20:21.49 | AbuseTheElderly | Is anyone here? |
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| 20:21.53 | mrbuckets | no |
| 20:22.00 | doub | me neither |
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| 20:22.03 | sepski | not me |
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| 20:22.08 | tsw | only echo |
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| 20:22.12 | resiak | Please leave a message after the tone. |
| 20:22.26 | coywolf_ | anyone use epic |
| 20:22.35 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 20:22.36 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:22.51 | Gnea | greycat: heh at least he's not versioning the channel ;) |
| 20:23.07 | AbuseTheElderly | can someone help me? Im new to Debian. |
| 20:23.10 | sepski | i have a working DEC alpha *happy* *happy* *joy* *joy* :) |
| 20:23.22 | Gnea | !tell AbuseTheElderly about ask |
| 20:23.25 | ciaron | what can i do if dpkg --remove errors and i can't remove a package? |
| 20:23.31 | K_Dallas | AbuseTheElderly, you are not going to get any elp from elderlies for sure ;) |
| 20:23.31 | Seb | AbuseTheElderly: prolly, if you state your problem :) |
| 20:23.32 | shingouz | !prize sepski |
| 20:23.32 | DerSchotte | AbuseTheElderly: say what your problem is, you never know :) |
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| 20:23.37 | greycat | !faq ciaron |
| 20:23.37 | dpkg | ciaron: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:23.50 | AbuseTheElderly | I installed it on my xbox and i need to know how to install programs using the terminal |
| 20:23.58 | DerSchotte | OMG |
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| 20:24.00 | greycat | !faq AbuseTheElderly |
| 20:24.01 | dpkg | AbuseTheElderly: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:24.08 | Seb | AbuseTheElderly: apt-get install apache for instance |
| 20:24.10 | Seb | heh |
| 20:24.13 | Gnea | !xbox |
| 20:24.13 | dpkg | methinks xbox is should be renamed to the wintendo, or http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-06-30&res=l |
| 20:24.15 | Seb | or what greycat said |
| 20:24.20 | sepski | shingouz, i imagin this would have been a lot faster on a broadband link |
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| 20:24.31 | Seb | nah wintendo is actually the win32 OSes |
| 20:24.34 | Davey|Work | How do I upgrade one package? |
| 20:24.38 | shingouz | sepski: possible :p |
| 20:24.41 | greycat | Davey|Work: apt-get install foobar |
| 20:24.41 | [1]paco | azar, my /usr/src/ is completely empty |
| 20:24.48 | resiak | greycat: You type too damned fast. |
| 20:24.52 | greycat | paco: for now. |
| 20:24.54 | Davey|Work | greycat: gee, thats obvious! |
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| 20:25.07 | DerSchotte | Davey|Work: dl deb file and dpkg -i file.deb |
| 20:25.15 | greycat | DerSchotte: NOT recommended. |
| 20:25.18 | K_Dallas | i am trying to install usbvision but while making, i get this error: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/build: No such file or directory, i did install the source for the kernels i run tho |
| 20:25.20 | abrotman | DerSchotte: wrong |
| 20:25.21 | Azar | ok now I would like to talk about a feature I would like to see in Debian, that would be like the most liked after aptitude: system restore, does Debian have something like this? |
| 20:25.24 | sepski | irssi-text wants perl ? *sigh that's 45 more minutes :P |
| 20:25.27 | abrotman | Davey|Work: upgrade from where |
| 20:25.38 | Trewas | ooh, nokia's new pda "internet tablet" runs debian |
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| 20:26.04 | [1]paco | greycat, what did you mean 'for now'? |
| 20:26.52 | doub | Azar: it has, for ages, it's called backing up |
| 20:26.52 | greycat | paco: disks tend not to remain empty. directories also. |
| 20:26.52 | Azar | K-Dallas you might be missing that module |
| 20:26.53 | DerSchotte | greycat,abrotman: Why, what can that break ? |
| 20:26.53 | K_Dallas | ;) backup is really underexploited |
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| 20:26.53 | abrotman | DerSchotte: there are better ways |
| 20:26.53 | greycat | DerSchotte: you won't get the dependencies if they changed. |
| 20:26.53 | ciaron | greycat: k i tried dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq <package> but it still errors, any ideas? |
| 20:26.53 | greycat | !errors |
| 20:26.53 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 20:26.53 | Azar | doub, yes I know but a system snapshot like GoBack or Restore would be nicer |
| 20:27.04 | greycat | did you think we can see your screen? |
| 20:27.04 | [1]paco | greycat, okay..its just i installed my kernel headers, and you'd think they would be in /usr.src |
| 20:27.08 | DerSchotte | dpkg doesn't check dependancies ?? :O |
| 20:27.15 | resiak | [1]paco: No, you wouldn't. |
| 20:27.25 | Karnaugh | agh |
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| 20:27.37 | sepski | Azar, i do that with dd over ssh |
| 20:27.39 | doub | paulswm: thanks |
| 20:27.41 | Karnaugh | anyone know a less Gentoo way of getting a SASL enabled postfix package? |
| 20:27.50 | paulswm | doub: you're welcome :) |
| 20:27.51 | K_Dallas | Azar, is it the build module or it is something else? |
| 20:27.58 | greycat | DerSchotte: oh, it *checks* them. but it just bombs out if they aren't present. |
| 20:27.58 | Azar | sepski, alas I am not familiar with ssh |
| 20:28.09 | simonrvn | Karnaugh: doesn't it support sasl with the ldap stuff? |
| 20:28.09 | greycat | Azar: change that. |
| 20:28.15 | Azar | K_Dallas if you do the magic modconf you could find it there and grab it |
| 20:28.17 | ^Duffy^ | Karnaugh: apt-get ? ;P |
| 20:28.22 | doub | Azar: windows and debian aren't the same, we would loose quality in trying to emulate windows on debian |
| 20:28.26 | sepski | Azar, then your seriously missing out on the best thing since the wheel and sliced bread and girls and a lot of oter cool stuff |
| 20:28.39 | ciaron | greycat: there are no errors, apart from a very generic "error during sub-process" |
| 20:28.42 | Karnaugh | does dpkg have a clue for ^Duffy^ |
| 20:28.47 | Karnaugh | simonrvn: I'll check on that thanks |
| 20:28.53 | DerSchotte | greycat: so you REALLY have to know what you're doing using "dpkg -i" right ? |
| 20:28.56 | greycat | ciaron: then you get to debug it. good luck. |
| 20:28.56 | paulswm | To download and use dpkg -i is to avoid the one thing which makes debian better than anything else. The practice is known as "taking leave of one's senses". |
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| 20:29.07 | Haukkari | Hello |
| 20:29.09 | greycat | DerSchotte: just use apt-get unless you have a damned good reason not to. |
| 20:29.19 | Azar | sepski, give me pretty please the magic formula do undo what I worked all day yesterday: I want to completely remove alsa and all stuff that came with it and start over |
| 20:29.28 | ciaron | greycat: how would i got about that? dpkg doesn't seem to have any error logs |
| 20:29.33 | Haukkari | Are there any packages in Debian that enable easy traffic (amount of traffic) monitoring from a network interface and to make stats of those with mrtg? |
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| 20:29.39 | Haukkari | Or does anyone know of such? |
| 20:29.42 | Azar | tho, reinstall would be my favorite task |
| 20:29.45 | Azar | :) |
| 20:29.46 | doub | Azar: for example, some people like kde, but they should know better. ;) |
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| 20:29.55 | paulswm | !prize doub |
| 20:29.59 | AbuseTheElderly | thanks for the help guys |
| 20:30.00 | DerSchotte | Ohh, greycat, that qpopper sec mail, the boards say .4 is the current fix :) |
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| 20:30.09 | greycat | ciaron: the scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info. You have strace. Go for it. |
| 20:30.16 | zumbi | Haukkari, i'm not sure... maybe nagios |
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| 20:30.21 | Azar | I learned a good lesson: beer and installation are not going well together |
| 20:30.27 | coywolf | epic4 no color |
| 20:30.30 | Haukkari | zumbi: nagios? Sounds weird. But I'll look it up. Thanks |
| 20:30.30 | greycat | !info qpopper sid |
| 20:30.35 | coywolf | even with /set control_c_color on |
| 20:30.36 | dpkg | qpopper: (Enhanced Post Office Protocol server (POP3)), section mail, is extra. Version: 4.0.5-4sarge1 (sid), Packaged size: 403 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
| 20:30.45 | DerSchotte | yeah, I only use dpkg -i when I use modules-maKE |
| 20:31.08 | Azar | laggg |
| 20:31.13 | paulswm | Azar: No, the beer should be "Plan B" in case "Plan A" (the install) fails :) |
| 20:31.16 | zumbi | Haukkari, you also could use QoS |
| 20:31.16 | coywolf | !info coywolf epic |
| 20:31.21 | Azar | :) |
| 20:31.31 | coywolf | i can't see without color |
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| 20:31.44 | tarzeau | Azar: beer and installation work perfect at our install parties: |
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| 20:31.54 | paulswm | No, without color everything would be black. |
| 20:31.59 | doub | paulswm: that's way too much. and i quit drinking a week ago anyway ;) |
| 20:32.10 | Karnaugh | simonrvn: yea it does, thanks a million - just need to sort out permissions between sasl and courier now :) |
| 20:32.11 | doub | paulswm: (just to start again on next WE, but don't tell anyone) |
| 20:32.13 | Azar | not when working 12 hours without eating trying to get things done right |
| 20:32.23 | tarzeau | Azar: http://www.harzi.ch/gallery/lie-20050520 |
| 20:32.24 | Haukkari | Hmh. Does anyone know what the package "iog" is? It sure is small and claims to do what I want it to. ;) |
| 20:32.30 | paulswm | doub: I'm not telling :) |
| 20:32.32 | [1]paco | greycat, i did apt-cache search kernel-headers 2.6 and i came up with the fact that the headers for the 2.6 kernel were referred to as 2.6.8-11 |
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| 20:33.00 | simonrvn | Karnaugh: good educated guess then. they tend to go together ;) |
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| 20:33.13 | Karnaugh | simonrvn: I shal remember that now ;) |
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| 20:33.33 | Azar | oh hoping to get rid of lags |
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| 20:34.35 | DerSchotte | Azar: if you mean here on IRC then go to http://freenode.net and find your closest server |
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| 20:34.46 | greycat | paco: NO. they are called kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 20:34.48 | greycat | ALWAYS. |
| 20:35.02 | Azar | DerSchotte: that is what I did but it seems they are doing server works today |
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| 20:35.19 | greycat | paco: if apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) does not work for you, then your kernel is no longer in your sources, and you need to upgrade it. Or you have a custom kernel, and we get to laugh at you. |
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| 20:36.06 | sepski | night all |
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| 20:36.15 | DerSchotte | \o/ 2 DVDs and ~8.5GB of deb binaries I love jigdo :D |
| 20:36.28 | resiak | DerSchotte: Why didn't you wait till Sarge released to get a full set? |
| 20:36.40 | Gnea | coywolf: apt-get install epic4-script-thirdeye |
| 20:37.04 | DerSchotte | Because the mirrors will be overloaded, now I only have to get the updates |
| 20:37.35 | resiak | DerSchotte: *shrug* Point. |
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| 20:39.49 | caonex | I am trying to cd into the mount points that i have specified in the auto.drives from automounter and it tells me: no such file or folder, why is this? |
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| 20:40.08 | thomas_adam | caonex: It tells you 'no such file or directory'. |
| 20:40.11 | greycat | check your logs. |
| 20:40.16 | caonex | thomas_adam, yes.. |
| 20:40.31 | caonex | greycat, /var/log/syslog |
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| 20:40.42 | streuner | http://deadbeast.net/~branden/toronto/debconf/8.html <--- hehe :-) |
| 20:41.11 | caonex | greycat, thomas_adam, May 26 16:38:31 filma automount[8560]: failed to mount /drives/hda2 |
| 20:41.11 | caonex | May 26 16:38:33 filma automount[8562]: lookup(program): lookup for hda5 failedMay 26 16:38:33 filma automount[8562]: failed to mount /drives/hda5 |
| 20:41.12 | Azar | I forgot the magic command to view what kernels Sarge offers? |
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| 20:41.30 | shingouz | Azar: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 20:41.34 | greycat | caonex: well, you have to fix your configuration. |
| 20:41.41 | Azar | thanks shingouz :) |
| 20:42.07 | caonex | greycat, i do not see what is wrong? i have done everything i have seen in manuals |
| 20:42.14 | shingouz | streuner: that t-shirt is different for sure |
| 20:42.21 | caonex | greycat, you talking about the auto.drives file right? |
| 20:42.37 | caonex | greycat, could i show it to you using pastebin? |
| 20:43.03 | DerSchotte | caonex: does the mount point even exist ? |
| 20:43.19 | caonex | DerSchotte, /drives yes |
| 20:43.31 | caonex | DerSchotte, i did not create each single folder though, do i have to? |
| 20:43.45 | caonex | DerSchotte, you know inside of /drives |
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| 20:44.03 | DerSchotte | Each mount point defined HAS to bee ther |
| 20:44.24 | caonex | DerSchotte, so i should do mkdir hda2 for the case pasted here, for example |
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| 20:45.04 | DerSchotte | if /drives/hda5 is a mount point then yes |
| 20:45.18 | DerSchotte | **** if /drives/hd25 is a mount point then yes |
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| 20:46.06 | DerSchotte | caonex: The inode has to exist to mount to it |
| 20:46.19 | Sji | guys help me pls :< |
| 20:46.26 | caonex | the inode is /drives, in this case? |
| 20:46.39 | Sji | I changed the box DNS to a new name, and the box name still applying the old DNS record |
| 20:46.51 | caonex | DerSchotte, oh i see... |
| 20:46.52 | Sji | I wanna change the box name to the new DNS record. |
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| 20:47.15 | DerSchotte | Try 'touch /drives/hda2' then mount |
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| 20:48.02 | Pred1 | i set a cronjob for root (0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * sh /data/openssh.php) but it doesn't run. what can be wrong? |
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| 20:48.27 | DerSchotte | Duh, 'mkdir /drives/hda2' for a mount point |
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| 20:49.34 | caonex | DerSchotte, still says: -bash: cd: hda2: No such file or directory |
| 20:49.55 | caonex | DerSchotte, and i have created the mount point and everything |
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| 20:51.34 | caonex | DerSchotte, i have done this before, but never seen this error. I do not have to have the mount points in /etc/fstab right? |
| 20:51.54 | PeTeRB | caonex: What's the command you're trying? |
| 20:52.08 | caonex | cd /drives/hda2 |
| 20:52.16 | PeTeRB | I mean for mounting |
| 20:52.38 | caonex | PeTeRB, i am not mounting it, i am using automount. |
| 20:52.59 | PeTeRB | caonex: Ok, sorry, no idea about that |
| 20:53.04 | caonex | PeTeRB, i have everything configured as it should |
| 20:53.12 | caonex | DerSchotte, ideas? |
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| 20:54.01 | WillR | hey all.... how can i cap a directory to only allow 10mb or 20 mb.....(mail and webserver) |
| 20:54.25 | bbrazil | WillR: quotas, per filesystem per user/group |
| 20:55.02 | WillR | i wish that helped me.... i donno what that means really |
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| 20:55.11 | WillR | how do i implelment? |
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| 20:56.08 | Azar | the online Debian manuals are deprecating so fast |
| 20:56.33 | Azar | I mean..they are still ok but the way of working with them are cumbersome |
| 20:57.04 | shingouz | Azar: maybe you should write a few new ones. one about alsa perhaps? :p |
| 20:57.12 | Azar | the kernel tutorials for example are written for kernel 2.2 |
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| 20:57.26 | WillR | anyone else help me on this? directory quotas? how do i make that? |
| 20:57.31 | Azar | shingouz, if I would not take notes as I learn Id be lost |
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| 20:57.47 | shingouz | Azar: dont we all. no pun |
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| 20:58.27 | shingouz | Azar: 2.2 and 2.4 are not too much different when configuring and most of the same stuff works on 2.6 too |
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| 20:59.04 | Azar | shingouz yes but in the last 2 years new cool helping tools have showed up that saves some of the tasks |
| 20:59.14 | cahoot | Azar: and it's not really hard to find uptodate info via google |
| 20:59.20 | shingouz | Azar: that is true |
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| 21:00.09 | cahoot | Azar: furthermore /usr/share/doc is there for you |
| 21:00.20 | Gnea | shingouz: actually, 2.6 has become much more detailed and branched out to itself than 2.2 and 2.4 were |
| 21:00.49 | Azar | take for example the way greycat showed me how to activate the alsa-driver installation vs googled alsa for VIA manual says: huge difference, maybe leading to some result, but what a difference greycat's advice made |
| 21:00.54 | Pred1 | WillR: u can use virtual quotas |
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| 21:00.58 | windowsrefund | hello |
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| 21:01.13 | windowsrefund | I'm tryin to apt-get source samba but that's not working |
| 21:01.17 | shingouz | Gnea: yup but you still configure it with pretty much the same interface and the make-kpkg still works. ok, there are new modules and they are in different order but that is irrelevant i think |
| 21:01.26 | windowsrefund | is that the right command to grab the source code? |
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| 21:02.03 | WillR | (Pred1): how do virtual quotas work? |
| 21:02.26 | resiak | windowsrefund: Define "not working". |
| 21:02.26 | Gnea | shingouz: from a general perspective, sure |
| 21:02.31 | WillR | (Pred1): can i type one command ioncluding the folder name and lock it like that? that seems almost to easy to work.... :| |
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| 21:02.41 | moa3333 | Does anyon know what we nead to do with CUPS after we configure it so that it works ? |
| 21:02.48 | paco | greycat, there is a package called kernel-source-2.6.8, and my uname -r is 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 21:02.52 | Gnea | shingouz: see, it's my job to make sure that kernels are done right ;) |
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| 21:02.55 | windowsrefund | resiak, E: Unable to find a source package for samba |
| 21:03.12 | shingouz | Gnea: uh? devel? |
| 21:03.20 | Gnea | shingouz: naw, for work |
| 21:03.27 | shingouz | ok :) |
| 21:03.31 | resiak | windowsrefund: samba is a metapackage. apt-cache show samba, apt-get source package-you-want |
| 21:03.35 | resiak | windowsrefund: Oh, but why are you doing that/ |
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| 21:03.41 | Gnea | might start doing some debian packaging and testing design on the side though :) |
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| 21:04.01 | Azar | paco make sure you get the kernel appropriate for your cpu, like k7 would be an AMD, my kernel is 2.6.8-2-k7 for example |
| 21:04.13 | shingouz | Gnea: on the side... are you going to have any time left to sleep after that? |
| 21:04.16 | windowsrefund | resiak, I believe samba is infact the name of the package |
| 21:04.20 | SuperPhly | what's the debian way of telling a service to start on certain run levels? i thought there was a dpkg-runlevel or something like that |
| 21:04.23 | SuperPhly | apt-runlevel command |
| 21:04.27 | Gnea | shingouz: good question hehe |
| 21:04.27 | resiak | windowsrefund: I believe it is not. apt-cache show samba |
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| 21:04.35 | resiak | windowsrefund: s/believe/know/ |
| 21:04.36 | caonex | what does this mean? automount[8567]: lookup(program): lookup for sda5 failed |
| 21:04.37 | shingouz | SuperPhly: man update-rc.d |
| 21:04.48 | Gnea | SuperPhly: update-rc.d |
| 21:04.54 | resiak | windowsrefund: I'm sorry, I'm wrong. Many apologies. |
| 21:05.02 | windowsrefund | np :) |
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| 21:05.29 | eeyore- | back :-) |
| 21:05.31 | resiak | windowsrefund: But my sarge/six mix box fetches it from sid, which implies there's no source package in Sarge :-/ |
| 21:05.36 | Azar | I guess I am a lucky noob not knowing what the /s series mean |
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| 21:05.48 | windowsrefund | resiak, I could just dl the source from samba.org |
| 21:05.59 | resiak | windowsrefund: I'd pull the Debianised source from Sid. packages.d.o |
| 21:06.03 | windowsrefund | resiak, I just never used apt to grab source and wanted to see it in action |
| 21:06.22 | paco | azar, there was only one source for 2.6....there are various 'images,' eg. kernel-image-2.6-k7' |
| 21:06.34 | jbmigel | what a good gnu equivalent of vmware nowadays? |
| 21:06.36 | resiak | windowsrefund: Looks like you got unlucky :) |
| 21:06.40 | windowsrefund | yes |
| 21:06.47 | windowsrefund | hahah vmware |
| 21:06.49 | tarzeau | jbmigel: qemu? |
| 21:06.49 | resiak | jbmigel: If by GNU you mean Free, qemu |
| 21:06.52 | windowsrefund | they want to interview me |
| 21:07.36 | windowsrefund | though I have no interest in working for them and have no idea why they've reached out to me |
| 21:07.46 | Azar | paco, just for general idea, you want to make sure youa re using the right kernel for your cpu type: if not, install the right kernel, then you can match your kernel-source to the kernel you are actually using |
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| 21:08.04 | resiak | paco: `uname -r` ? |
| 21:08.29 | paco | when you say using the right kernel, you mean installing the correct kernel image? |
| 21:08.35 | resiak | paco: `uname -r` |
| 21:08.48 | jbmigel | tarzeau/resiak thx qemu looks great! |
| 21:08.55 | paco | okay |
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| 21:09.02 | takatumi | resiak: " paco | greycat, there is a package called kernel-source-2.6.8, and my uname -r is 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 21:09.04 | Azar | like shingouz shingouz have shown me, first check with apt-cache search kernel-image and make sure your kernel version matches your cpu |
| 21:09.11 | resiak | takatumi: Point. |
| 21:09.24 | deadcat | jbmigel: looks better when you get the kqemu thing to work. accel. |
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| 21:09.55 | Davey|Work | Wow, that was the quickest and easiest MySQL upgrade I think I ever did. |
| 21:10.06 | takatumi | paco: if the kernel-headers for your kernel is not available, upgrade your kernel-image and install the corresponding kernel-headers. |
| 21:10.08 | Davey|Work | I'm really starting to be glad I chose Debian for this new box over FBSD :) |
| 21:10.18 | deadcat | Davey|Work: hehe. how easy? (= |
| 21:10.25 | paco | azar, my kernel image was pre-compliled, so wouldn't it 'have' to? |
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| 21:10.46 | Blissex | Davey|Work: you can have both of course... |
| 21:10.55 | Pred1 | WillR: u can set a virtual quota in the ftp server (for http) and an other in postfix |
| 21:11.22 | Azar | paco that sound great, what I want to say, are you sure the kernel you got is for your type of cpu? if yes, then pick the kernel-image that matches yours in uname -r |
| 21:11.30 | Davey|Work | deadcat: apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 && mysql-fix-whatever-that-script-was, thats it :) |
| 21:11.34 | Davey|Work | took like 2 minutes |
| 21:11.39 | eeyore- | guys, if you gnome/gtk you ought to try "Neos" theme (the Neos-Dark is now my favourite). Go see http://gnome-look.org/, gth-2.x theme, sort by popularity, look for Neos on the first page. |
| 21:11.44 | eeyore- | it's an awesome "dark" theme |
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| 21:12.13 | deadcat | Davey|Work: everything works eh? |
| 21:12.17 | paco | azar, when you say 'kernel you got,' are you referring to the kernel image or kernel source? |
| 21:12.25 | Blissex | eeyore- dark themes may look cool but they tend to be less legible... However, so many people like them. |
| 21:12.43 | eeyore- | Blissex: this one is readable (or so i think) --- it has light-blue text |
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| 21:12.54 | deadcat | paco: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:13.01 | Blissex | eeyore-: light blue on dark blue? :-) |
| 21:13.29 | eeyore- | Blissex: my previous experiences with "dark" themes tend to be that i get excited for a couple of hours but soon uninstall ... but this one has survived for nearly a week |
| 21:13.31 | Davey|Work | deadcat: yup :) |
| 21:13.40 | Davey|Work | anyways, off home, bye! |
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| 21:14.21 | deadcat | Davey|Work: giggly hahah |
| 21:14.42 | Blissex | gathond: well, best is black text on something like 90% bright warm colour background |
| 21:14.56 | paco | deadcat: i am trying to install vmware workstation 5.0 |
| 21:14.59 | Azar | what I mean paco is that in the list where you pick a precompiled kernel there are 2.6.8 kernels for Pentium, Celeron, AMD you want to be sure you got and installed the right 2.6.8 on your machine |
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| 21:15.05 | Blissex | gathond especially on LCDs where dark background is rarely that dark |
| 21:15.11 | Gathond | Blissex: well i disagree :) the best is almost black and like 90% bright text :) |
| 21:15.12 | deadcat | paco: ah. |
| 21:15.26 | Blissex | but I must admit I sort of liked the amber on dark in old terminals... |
| 21:15.29 | paco | azar, okay |
| 21:15.36 | eeyore- | Blissex: throwback! |
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| 21:16.16 | Azar | shingouz: , my old IBM was in orange text, nag nag |
| 21:16.17 | paco | deadcat: suring the installation, it asks you the location of where your c headers match your kernal headers |
| 21:16.28 | dondelelcaro | ah, the joys of greenscreen and orangepuke. |
| 21:16.39 | shingouz | Azar: i still have three of the IBM P70 portables here. amber screens |
| 21:16.40 | Blissex | azar your ol IBm was probably in amber more than orange... |
| 21:16.48 | doub | Blissex: isn't bright colour background hurting your eyes? |
| 21:16.51 | Azar | dondelelcaro: moreover,the joys of learning WordPerfect for DOS |
| 21:17.02 | deadcat | paco: what kernel you using? |
| 21:17.03 | Blissex | azar no because it is subdued. |
| 21:17.13 | dondelelcaro | (being that I started out with WordStar) |
| 21:17.15 | zztt | hi. i just finished installing sarge on an SGI O2.... it went pretty well (i could log into gnome immediately) except the image on the screen is all blue-greenish... any ideas ? |
| 21:17.29 | Blissex | azar I dont set brightness high and then background is something like gre95 or yellowish (cornsilk) |
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| 21:17.39 | doub | Blissex: i can't stand windows machines for their default bright white background in every window, that's giving me headaches |
| 21:17.58 | doub | Blissex: and besides, you can't reverse it |
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| 21:18.04 | Blissex | azar the brightness setting for a light background should be different from that for a dark background |
| 21:18.12 | shingouz | doub: i cannot stand windows machines at all never mind what the background is ;) |
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| 21:18.34 | Blissex | doub i agree with windows and bright white backgrounds, too much contrast |
| 21:18.36 | doub | shingouz: so do i. but that's just another obvious reason |
| 21:19.01 | WillR | i installed pureftpd but they have no documentation on how to set quotas on upload directories... can anyone help? |
| 21:19.02 | shingouz | doub: yea, one acceptable to the poor windoze users |
| 21:19.03 | Azar | good afternoon caphuso |
| 21:19.17 | caphuso | Azar: afternoon? you wish... |
| 21:19.32 | Azar | caphuso: I greeted you with PST time |
| 21:19.34 | paco | azar, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 is pretty standard for 32 bit amd? |
| 21:19.38 | doub | shingouz: i just remember my communications teacher at the CS school "having a white background is important to ease reading". she was trying to learn us human interface guidelines... |
| 21:19.48 | shingouz | heh |
| 21:19.51 | Azar | paco k7 is for AMD, what cpu are you using? |
| 21:19.51 | deadcat | paco: then apt-get kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 21:20.03 | doub | shingouz: maybe it's because she's a woman ;) |
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| 21:20.24 | shingouz | doub: maybe it is because she did not work at a terminal |
| 21:20.28 | Azar | paco check your actual kernel you got first do : uname -r |
| 21:20.30 | caphuso | Azar: well, i'm not in california, but in central europe, so your afternoon is about midnight for me :) |
| 21:20.32 | Azar | make a note of it |
| 21:20.33 | paco | azar, it the amd on sale at microcenter..it wasn't like asempron or anything..it was the cheapest one they had |
| 21:20.36 | mihaly | how do I share using smb from my linux installation? |
| 21:20.44 | dondelelcaro | mihaly: with samba |
| 21:20.55 | Azar | if it is an AMD, then k7 is paco |
| 21:21.09 | Azar | paco then do what caphuso said |
| 21:21.19 | zztt | so nobody has any idea why the picture on my O2 is all green when using sarge ? O2's are so mainstream though... |
| 21:21.29 | Azar | err deadcat said (paco) |
| 21:21.29 | Blissex | doub white background is indeed important on paper, it is a reflective medium |
| 21:21.33 | WillR | anyone? quotas ? |
| 21:21.34 | doub | shingouz: i think it's this one rather, but i never miss a time to annoy female rights activists |
| 21:21.45 | paco | azar, the kernel i have now is 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 21:21.46 | deadcat | nah. do what he said. i am pulling shits out of my ass. |
| 21:21.48 | cahoot | doub: it's actually investigated and found to be true wrt eyestrain |
| 21:21.56 | doub | shingouz: or any sort of blind activism for that matter |
| 21:22.02 | Azar | paco the -386 is NOT AMD |
| 21:22.06 | shingouz | doub: and you have not been taken to the vet for a special visit yet? wow |
| 21:22.06 | deadcat | paco: then get the k7 kernel then. |
| 21:22.37 | paco | azar, that's the kernel that came with the sarge cd...i do in fact have an amd chip |
| 21:22.38 | deadcat | paco: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 <- heres the fucking command you former gentoo user. |
| 21:22.43 | eeyore- | zztt: you seriously think people with O2's hang out here? |
| 21:22.50 | doub | shingouz: oh, i guess i've been several times in the past, but i can't remember exactly |
| 21:22.51 | eeyore- | zztt: they're not exactly garden variety |
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| 21:23.30 | paco | deadcat, dont hate me for liking to point and click |
| 21:23.33 | shingouz | doub: i just figure that saying such things in the presence of the 'wrong' persons usually cause physical pain |
| 21:23.40 | zztt | eeyore-: trying anyway just in case ;) |
| 21:23.49 | deadcat | paco: i hate you. |
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| 21:24.01 | doub | cahoot: that's just plain obvious. work for some time on a regular gray on black term, then switch to windows or any windowsish white background everywere, you'll feel your eyes in pain. no need for any scientific research behind it |
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| 21:24.13 | doub | cahoot: or maybe for microsoft to understand how dumb they are |
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| 21:24.36 | Azar | paco do what deadcat say |
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| 21:25.02 | paco | azar, i am |
| 21:25.05 | doub | shingouz: of course, but people in this case tend to understand i'm never serious, especially about very serious matters |
| 21:25.21 | mihaly | in more detail how should I use samba to share from my linux installation |
| 21:25.29 | TNKS | hello all. Does anybody know what happens if two udev rules create the same symlink for different devices? |
| 21:25.32 | shingouz | doub: :) |
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| 21:25.45 | cahoot | doub: the point being dark on light is ergonomically better than the revers |
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| 21:25.58 | useruser | !samba |
| 21:25.58 | dpkg | i guess samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba |
| 21:26.23 | shingouz | doub: i know that there is a big difference between a joke and some serious shit but some people do not take jokes too well, if you know what i mean |
| 21:26.25 | zztt | !O2 |
| 21:26.48 | doub | shingouz: of course, that's why i make them ;) |
| 21:27.00 | shingouz | doub: i see. masochist ;) |
| 21:27.10 | IRCMonkey | hello, does anybody know how to get kinput2 working? |
| 21:27.24 | doub | shingouz: i'm just young and stupid, despite my age. and i hope to keep it that way as long as possible |
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| 21:27.42 | shingouz | doub: ditto |
| 21:28.09 | doub | cahoot: can you define ergonomy? i've never been able to |
| 21:28.25 | zOap__ | IRCMonkey, I'm sure that kinput2 is working just fine. It's you who doesn't know how to use it properly.... |
| 21:28.38 | shingouz | doub: ergonomy != painful |
| 21:28.59 | zOap__ | IRCMonkey, asking how to get something to work is just silly.... |
| 21:29.16 | doub | shingouz: explain why ergonomical chairs are unbearable for more than 1h then |
| 21:29.23 | eeyore- | does anybody have any ideas if/when gnome is ever gonna have more extensive font-settings capability? |
| 21:29.32 | cahoot | doub: sort of makes the arbument a moot point |
| 21:29.40 | shingouz | doub: your ass end is not configured correctly? dpkg-reconfigure butt |
| 21:29.51 | Blissex | eeyore- it already does |
| 21:30.05 | Blissex | eeyore- they are the same as GTK2 |
| 21:30.05 | eeyore- | right now gnome has only one application font ... i wish it would have different fonts for different UI elements, for example, one for menu, one for regular widgets, one for toolbar, etc |
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| 21:30.20 | furrywolf | doub: it's very easy. if the chain is so horribly uncomfortable you can't sit in it for any length of time, you also won't be using your keyboard for any length of time, and thus won't develop RSI. |
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| 21:30.32 | Blissex | eeyore- I think you can do that with a GTK2 theme |
| 21:30.32 | doub | shingouz: Package `butt' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 21:30.34 | eeyore- | Blissex: isn't that a theme-specific thing, though? |
| 21:30.43 | eeyore- | Blissex: right, so it's harder to edit :-> whining |
| 21:30.51 | furrywolf | s/chain/chair |
| 21:30.57 | eeyore- | let's see |
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| 21:31.25 | shingouz | doub: maybe it was 'ass' then unless you are running non-us packages in which case it is 'arse' :p |
| 21:31.42 | doub | furrywolf: that's the storry. and so is true for windowsish white background everywhere : you won't have time to understand that besides it destroying your eyes, it's crappy on the deepest level. |
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| 21:33.18 | alex__ | how can I create Path shortcut in my shell ? is it something in ./~profile or something like this, is not ? |
| 21:34.05 | furrywolf | alex: ~/.profile would be closer. but you might want .bashrc or another bash dotfile instead. |
| 21:34.35 | alex__ | furrywolf: ok, can you give me an example ? |
| 21:34.41 | eeyore- | bbl |
| 21:34.51 | mihaly | how do I change the incomming port for sshd? |
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| 21:35.05 | furrywolf | bbl, going to clean out the back of my car and do some housework |
| 21:35.27 | yalu | the floppy is freshly-imaged with no problems :/ |
| 21:35.36 | Azar | shingouz, I want to take it from the beginning, how do I clean all the alsa installation from yesterday, alsa-driver included? |
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| 21:35.56 | juanmals | mihaly, in /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 21:36.10 | Anders1 | +d |
| 21:36.16 | alex__ | furrywolf: what would be the syntax ? |
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| 21:36.44 | Azar | :) |
| 21:36.46 | azeroth | hi guys |
| 21:37.09 | Azar | comeon, shingouz, you are helping building something nice |
| 21:37.22 | mihaly | juanmals everyting in that file i commented out |
| 21:37.48 | juanmals | uncomment port 22 and change it to whatever port you want |
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| 21:37.59 | azeroth | i have a problem with my soundcard. I have to start "alsaconf" as root after every start to "find" my soundcard. after that i have to enable "analog soundoutput" in kmix.... someone knows a way how to stop this made activity? |
| 21:38.10 | mihaly | and if I wanto to listen on more then I port? |
| 21:38.20 | mihaly | is it , or ; to separate them? |
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| 21:38.46 | shingouz | Azar: but but but.. i am doing somehting else too ;) |
| 21:38.58 | Azar | oh sorry to bugger you |
| 21:39.05 | shingouz | hehe.. |
| 21:39.15 | paco | deadcat: is the next step to decompress the kernel source? kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 21:39.38 | shingouz | seriously speaking i am not too sure how to get all the stuff off the system unless a nice apt-get --purge does the trick |
| 21:39.40 | azeroth | hmm nobody can help me? |
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| 21:40.01 | giupy | hi all |
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| 21:40.06 | yalu | it boots!!!!!!!! |
| 21:40.12 | PeTeRB | azeroth: One moment. |
| 21:40.16 | azeroth | okay |
| 21:40.19 | cahoot | azeroth: alsa-modules not loaded at boot? |
| 21:40.35 | deadcat | paco: what the hell you want the kernel-source for? |
| 21:40.36 | azeroth | i dont thinks so |
| 21:40.54 | cahoot | azeroth: not present in /etc/modules? |
| 21:41.05 | paco | deadcat: i guess i, in fact, do NOT want it |
| 21:41.13 | azeroth | i dont know how to check it? |
| 21:41.20 | Azar | azeroth, I am having same issues with alsa.. |
| 21:41.25 | azeroth | but if they are there why doesnt he knows my soundcard? |
| 21:41.58 | streuner | something overwrote your settings... |
| 21:42.04 | Azar | azeroth, did you runned alsaconf did you seen your card listed in the list? |
| 21:42.04 | paco | deadcat: so, do I now creat a boot block for my old kernel? |
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| 21:42.18 | azeroth | yeah |
| 21:42.31 | azeroth | and than i can start sound |
| 21:42.40 | azeroth | but after reboot there is an messagebox: |
| 21:42.46 | streuner | ok |
| 21:42.47 | Azar | paco edit lilo then run /sbin/lilo after that reboot |
| 21:42.51 | azeroth | Sound server informatuinal message: |
| 21:42.52 | streuner | we know that already |
| 21:42.52 | deadcat | paco: huh? |
| 21:43.02 | azeroth | error while initializing the sound driver: |
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| 21:43.22 | Azar | azeroth, normally, after you run alsaconf and accept the settings for your card from the list, do alsamixer and unmute your channels |
| 21:43.23 | azeroth | device: default cant be opened for playback (No such device) |
| 21:43.29 | streuner | azeroth: what did you change? |
| 21:43.39 | azeroth | i change nothing |
| 21:43.51 | cahoot | azeroth: check /etc/modules - i e read it |
| 21:43.54 | azeroth | i have it since i installed debian |
| 21:44.27 | Azar | !confuse Azar |
| 21:44.27 | dpkg | No, what are my pants today, Azar? trousers of the people's republic of belarus with extra cheese |
| 21:44.36 | Azar | :) |
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| 21:45.20 | Azar | I humildly request for help: how do I clean up the mess I did with alsa yesterday? I need a new fresh start |
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| 21:45.44 | giupy | Azar, mess? |
| 21:45.46 | Azar | apt-get purge alsa would clean all stuff? |
| 21:46.04 | streuner | azeroth: look in dmesg and the logs - something change the setting of alsaconf every time you boot |
| 21:46.12 | Azar | azeroth left, my turn |
| 21:46.36 | Azar | nicely pretty please |
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| 21:46.47 | azeroth | uff |
| 21:46.52 | azeroth | i am back |
| 21:46.59 | streuner | azeroth: look in dmesg and the logs - something change the setting of alsaconf every time you boot |
| 21:47.09 | giupy | Azar, try apt-get remove alsa-base , than update-modules and reboot, i know this is a non-linux way :) but it was well for me |
| 21:47.26 | giupy | than i had oss |
| 21:47.34 | Azar | cool, thanks giupy |
| 21:47.47 | azeroth | http://paste.debian.net/521 |
| 21:47.52 | shingouz | Azar: apt-get remove --purge alsa* |
| 21:47.52 | giupy | Azar, wait to say cool :) |
| 21:47.53 | PeTeRB | Azar: Use the --purge option too. |
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| 21:48.04 | azeroth | thats the modules |
| 21:48.17 | azeroth | there stands nothing about alsa |
| 21:48.42 | Azar | btw for those who have not seen this, the apt-cache now lists alsa-modules-2.6.8-2-k7 - ALSA modules for kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 just FYI |
| 21:48.50 | cahoot | azeroth: look for snd- entries |
| 21:49.00 | azeroth | in the /etc/modules? |
| 21:49.02 | PeTeRB | azeroth: You need to add the soundcard modules there for them to load at boot |
| 21:49.24 | cahoot | azeroth: in /etc/modules - yes |
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| 21:49.30 | streuner | azeroth: ls -l /etc/modules.conf |
| 21:49.30 | azeroth | yeah i thougt that there should be the error :-) |
| 21:49.33 | juanmals | !google |
| 21:49.33 | dpkg | from memory, google is a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
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| 21:49.52 | azeroth | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12410 May 26 23:22 /etc/modules.conf |
| 21:49.53 | mihaly | !java |
| 21:49.53 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
| 21:49.54 | Azar | hey giupy, shingouz, any bone is cool for me |
| 21:50.19 | doub | mihaly, juanmals: /msg the bots if it's for private use |
| 21:50.21 | azeroth | PeTeRB: what do i have to put into this file to load my soundcard? |
| 21:50.32 | mihaly | oh |
| 21:50.32 | giupy | :) |
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| 21:50.38 | PeTeRB | I don't know what your soundcard is. |
| 21:50.41 | sloncho | hi. I have debian wood. I installed apache2 from backports.org. does anyone has idea where from to find the devel package? I need mod_dav.h at least, trying to build svn |
| 21:50.43 | kelan | why is it so hard to find a split-key keyboard with a detachable number pad, or without a numpad altogether? the only ones i could find are like $120! |
| 21:50.44 | kelan | sigh |
| 21:50.48 | azeroth | soundblaster audigy 2 zs |
| 21:50.50 | kelan | maybe its worth it |
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| 21:51.18 | arjanoosting | hi zesjut |
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| 21:51.20 | shingouz | kelan: be a Man and get DasKeryboard |
| 21:51.30 | shingouz | DasKeyboard even |
| 21:51.42 | streuner | Which file starts 'update-modules' every time when you reboot? |
| 21:52.09 | kelan | shingouz: i don't need a keyboard with no key markings. i already know how to type |
| 21:52.18 | azeroth | PeTeRB: do you saw the cardname? (soundblaster audigy 2 zs) What should i put into the file? |
| 21:52.29 | shingouz | kelan: :) |
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| 21:53.01 | PeTeRB | azeroth: Sorry, I'm not that good with guessing module names. Try looking in /proc/modules for the modules loaded ATM. Since you ran alsaconf, the modules you need have been loaded |
| 21:53.05 | kelan | shingouz: and why are those so expensive anyway? they charge you more to leave the key markings off? |
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| 21:53.30 | kelan | i guess five different key weights might make a difference |
| 21:53.35 | oguz | hi, i was trying to install dvd support for cdrecord but i encountered with en error |
| 21:53.38 | PeTeRB | azeroth: I'm really not sure if "snd" alone would do the trick. |
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| 21:53.47 | azeroth | omg thats a gigant file |
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| 21:54.11 | paco | azar, it appears to have worked....unmae -r now spits out the new kernal |
| 21:54.16 | oguz | when i followed the steps and at the end wrote: fakeroot debian/rules dvd=yes cdrecord |
| 21:54.23 | shingouz | kelan: no idea. a friend of mine runs a small computer store and ordered some cheap-ass keyboards from .sg or whereever and for some reason they had blank keycaps. he sold them off for somethign like 2 euros a pop on the local ebay wannabe |
| 21:54.46 | oguz | here is the output: cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/misc/config.sub': No such file or directory |
| 21:54.46 | oguz | cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/misc/config.guess': No such file or directory |
| 21:54.46 | oguz | make: *** [cdrecord.mmap] Error 1 |
| 21:54.55 | PeTeRB | azeroth: On second thought, lsmod makes it look a bit nicer :) |
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| 21:55.01 | paco | azar, i have grub, so i went to grub the a text editor, and all the lines with the original kernel, i put a pound sign next to it. |
| 21:55.12 | kelan | shingouz: heh |
| 21:55.23 | azeroth | http://paste.debian.net/522 O_o |
| 21:55.28 | shingouz | oguz: why are you trying to compile cdrecord instead of just apt-gettting it is beyond me |
| 21:55.49 | takatumi | paco: why? |
| 21:55.59 | oguz | shingouz, i had it with apt-get but the one that you get doesnt have DVD support |
| 21:56.16 | azeroth | i a a newbie and i dont know how to work with the /etc/modules file |
| 21:56.27 | oguz | shingouz, so it should be added a patch |
| 21:56.27 | shingouz | kelan: maybe any keyboard could be modified into das keyboard with some serious solvents like acetone |
| 21:56.37 | resiak | kelan, shingouz: They're expensive because the keys have different weightings. |
| 21:56.38 | paco | takatumi: why what? why did i get a new kernel? |
| 21:56.38 | Azar | paco, I am sorry I have no idea how to work with grub, maybe is easier than lilo |
| 21:56.41 | shingouz | oguz: ok, whatever floats your boat |
| 21:56.55 | Azar | shingouz, I am prettier |
| 21:56.57 | Azar | :) |
| 21:56.58 | paco | azar, is doing what we did called compiling a new kernel? |
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| 21:57.20 | doub | azeroth: isn't the syntax explained at the top of the file |
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| 21:57.26 | Azar | paco the main idea of compiling a new kernel is to make sure you got the right one in the first place |
| 21:57.35 | oguz | shingouz, it is written at their manual page, so i followed the packages instruction, and i had an error |
| 21:57.39 | shingouz | Azar: anyone is prettier than me but i am bigger and heavier than you |
| 21:57.43 | Azar | then you can download the kernel-image to work with for other packages |
| 21:57.45 | gahan | i've lost 'configure' file is there a way to recreate it? |
| 21:57.58 | takatumi | paco: no, why comment out the entries in grub? you can leave the old kernel lines in grub and boot either of them. or uninstall the old kernel-image, the grub entries will be removed. |
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| 21:57.59 | oguz | shingouz, how can i fix the config files, it seems i dont have such files |
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| 21:58.14 | eeyore- | nah, gtk doesn't like to set font_name in any "menu*" properties :-p |
| 21:58.17 | Azar | shingouz, I note that you have not realized I am hitting on you: help me with alsa? |
| 21:58.21 | Azar | :) |
| 21:58.22 | PeTeRB | azeroth: Try adding snd_emu10k1 and snd_pcm_oss |
| 21:58.28 | eeyore- | so i'm stuck with *ONE*, count 'tm, ONE :-p font for all widgets |
| 21:58.31 | paco | takatumi: i commented them out because i do not know what i am doing |
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| 21:58.37 | eeyore- | that's fricking retarded for Gtk |
| 21:58.38 | Epidemical | Hi, I've two NICs, both show up as Ethernet controllers in /proc/pci, but ifconfig -a only shows a single interface - what do I need to do to add the other one? |
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| 21:58.46 | oguz | shingouz, /usr/share/misc/config.sub and /usr/share/misc/config.guess and i have an error |
| 21:58.47 | Azar | run and hide shingouz... |
| 21:58.47 | azeroth | ok |
| 21:58.47 | shingouz | Azar: hm. so what you are saying is that this is foreplay? |
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| 21:58.58 | paco | takatumi: and i guess i am learning as i go |
| 21:59.02 | Azar | :P |
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| 21:59.07 | doub | oguz: what debian version are you using ? there's a dvdrtools package in sarge IIRC |
| 21:59.42 | giupy | doub, yes dvd+rw-tools |
| 21:59.44 | kelan | hmm. i think i'll go back to irssi for irc. gaim makes it bit inconvenient. no up-arrow to get previous commands! |
| 21:59.55 | shingouz | Azar: unless you are a petite blonde grrl i think you are out of luck with that approach |
| 21:59.55 | geekboi | Okay. I did a dumbass and managed to 0 out my kernel. Is there a way to tell apt-get to re-download the kernel or am I SOL without a re-install? |
| 22:00.06 | Azar | paco after installing the new kernel, and updating the bootloader, check your modules with modconf: look at and pick any modules for the new kernel the eth0 included then reboot |
| 22:00.08 | oguz | doub, i installed dvd+rw-tools, dvdrtools i am using sarge |
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| 22:00.44 | doub | oguz: anyway you seem to miss one of autoconf or automake (first one i guess) |
| 22:00.59 | resiak | geekboi: apt-get install --reinstall kernel-image-$(uname -r) |
| 22:00.59 | azeroth | thanks PeTeRB |
| 22:01.03 | azeroth | rebot :-) |
| 22:01.03 | doub | oguz: aren't you fine with any of them? |
| 22:01.08 | PeTeRB | azeroth: I hope so. |
| 22:01.14 | azeroth | thanks :-) |
| 22:01.16 | azeroth | bye |
| 22:01.16 | oguz | doub, i dont have any idea about them |
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| 22:01.32 | useruser | Azar: behold the power of /nick |
| 22:01.40 | doub | oguz: i'm talking about dvd+rw-tools, dvdrtools |
| 22:02.10 | forester | Does Ubuntu depend on debian package maintainers? ie. Will Ubuntu always be equal to or behind the latest Debian packages? |
| 22:02.16 | Azar | It would be nice to get a #Debian-Class with fixed topics every six hours |
| 22:02.17 | oguz | doub, ok, i installed them but didnt configure them |
| 22:02.35 | oguz | doub, i just used apt-get install thats all |
| 22:02.56 | doub | oguz: that's not much of a problem, you can set it up on the command line anyway |
| 22:02.58 | Azar | the #Debian-Class would be +m and only the teacher would copy/paste the issues of the topic there |
| 22:03.06 | doub | oguz: at least for dvdrecord |
| 22:03.36 | geekboi | debian:/boot# apt-get install --reinstall kernel-image-$(uname -r) |
| 22:03.37 | geekboi | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 22:03.37 | geekboi | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 22:03.37 | geekboi | E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.4.26 |
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| 22:03.42 | yalu | quick question please: where in modconf is the driver for pcmcia sockets? it was called yenta_socket if I am not mistaken |
| 22:03.48 | Azar | then the logs could be distributed |
| 22:03.51 | oguz | doub, ok what should i do |
| 22:03.58 | PeTeRB | Azar: You can start right away. |
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| 22:04.10 | alex__ | can someone give me an example of syntax to create an alias of path for my shell |
| 22:04.14 | geekboi | Doh. Sorry. |
| 22:04.17 | Azar | yalu, the pcmcia modules are down near bottom if you scroll way down |
| 22:04.22 | geekboi | E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.4.26 |
| 22:04.23 | azeroth | ahh |
| 22:04.26 | useruser | alex__: alias of path? is that an alias or a $PATH? |
| 22:04.27 | giupy | geekboi, first apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 22:04.41 | Azar | PeTeRB you would be one of the honorable teachers |
| 22:04.43 | giupy | geekboi, than choose what you want |
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| 22:04.48 | doub | oguz: dvdrecord dev=<your dvd recorer device> speed=<writing speed> <your image file> |
| 22:04.50 | PeTeRB | Azar: No way! |
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| 22:04.53 | doub | oguz: read the docs for the details |
| 22:04.58 | alex__ | useruser: well I want to go to /usr/share/local/somewhere, when I type 'somewhere' for ex |
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| 22:05.08 | useruser | alex__: you want to set $PATH |
| 22:05.09 | azeroth | PeTeRB: You are a real hero!! It works :-) |
| 22:05.10 | geekboi | giupy: Reinstallation of kernel-image-2.6.11.10 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
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| 22:05.19 | Azar | PeTeRB I would build a Pantheon filled with your and the other names |
| 22:05.28 | useruser | alex__: export PATH=/usr/share/local/somewhere:$PATH |
| 22:05.29 | Azar | see? bee a TEACHER |
| 22:05.30 | oguz | doub, ok |
| 22:05.34 | giupy | geekboi, are you on sid ? |
| 22:05.35 | alex__ | useruser: ah, and that is in my bashrc, is not it ? |
| 22:05.40 | Epidemical | Hi, how can I add a network interface? My NIC is recognized as an Ethernet controller in /proc/pci, but it doesn't show up in ifconfig -a |
| 22:05.43 | geekboi | giupy: sarge |
| 22:05.49 | PeTeRB | Azar: I'm a S T U D E N T ! |
| 22:05.50 | jetscreamer | it's the .10 |
| 22:05.51 | useruser | alex__: could go there, yes |
| 22:05.51 | jetscreamer | try -10 or something |
| 22:05.53 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 22:05.59 | PeTeRB | azeroth: Great |
| 22:05.59 | giupy | geekboi, there isn't that image on sarge |
| 22:06.00 | azeroth | PeTeRB: Thanks a lot now i doesnt have to play guitar to make some music :-) |
| 22:06.01 | alex__ | useruser: ok, but that will only work for the current session, no ? |
| 22:06.04 | jetscreamer | then there is no 2.6-10 |
| 22:06.06 | yalu | Azar: hmmm... no :/ input, media, sound, video, message, ieee1394 and parport |
| 22:06.06 | Azar | PeTeRB you can be a hero if you want to |
| 22:06.10 | azeroth | :-) |
| 22:06.12 | doub | Epidemical: /etc/network/interfaces is where you configure it. man interfaces for the syntax |
| 22:06.15 | giupy | however apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 22:06.25 | Azar | yalu, are you running Sarge? |
| 22:06.25 | useruser | alex__: if you stick it in ~/.bashrc then it'll take effect each time you log in |
| 22:06.26 | jetscreamer | !find kernel-image-2.6.11 sarge |
| 22:06.30 | azeroth | Bye i will hear music now :-) |
| 22:06.34 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-image-2.6.11' returned no results. |
| 22:06.38 | alex__ | useruser: where else should it idealy go to ? |
| 22:06.43 | Azar | jetscreamer sarge offers 2.6.8 as the highest kernel |
| 22:06.53 | jetscreamer | yes i know azar |
| 22:06.53 | useruser | alex__: ~/.bashrc is fine |
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| 22:06.57 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 22:07.07 | useruser | alex__: unless you use another shell of course |
| 22:07.32 | TNKS | Shoot, I got distracted. Did anyone respond to my question: "Does anybody know what happens if two udev rules create the same symlink for different devices?" (my buffer overflowed) |
| 22:07.38 | Azar | yalu, Sarge has an enhanced support list for more hardware, whlist woody only a few |
| 22:07.41 | geekboi | giupy: Okay, so, what do I need to change in /etc/apt/sources.list to get that? |
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| 22:07.57 | geekboi | !find kernel-image-2.6.11 |
| 22:07.59 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-image-2.6.11' (10): kernel-image-2.6.11-1-386 ;; kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 ;; kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7 ;; kernel-image-2.6.11-1-k7-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.11-9-amd64-generic ;; kernel-image-2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 ;; kernel-image-2.6.11-9-amd64-k8-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.11-9-em64t-p4 ;; kernel-image-2.6.11-9-em64t-p4-smp. |
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| 22:08.03 | jetscreamer | geekboi: you want to go sid? |
| 22:08.04 | yalu | Azar: hm, since wood? is still stable... this is woody |
| 22:08.09 | giupy | geekboi, you need to upgrade to seed or download source and compile it |
| 22:08.20 | trym | I chose something by mistake when I installed a package ( I dont remember which ), and after that my fonts look all crappy. Any ideas what I might have done wrong? |
| 22:08.26 | yalu | sigh. well, no disaster, it's just so tiresome to write these 6 disks |
| 22:08.27 | douglas | having trouble finding my apache .htaccess file .. |
| 22:08.27 | jetscreamer | hey it's sunday right? |
| 22:08.38 | Azar | yalu woody might not have all the drivers, so it will be painful to go to websites and try to download drivers that might not work with woody |
| 22:08.43 | doub | jetscreamer: seems like |
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| 22:08.47 | Azar | woody= stable, sarge=testing |
| 22:08.51 | jetscreamer | yalu: 6 discs? |
| 22:08.58 | geekboi | jethro: Sure. I'm assuming sid is somewhat stable (eg, my box won't crash every 5 minutes?) |
| 22:09.03 | useruser | trym: uninstalled some fonts? |
| 22:09.06 | geekboi | jetscreamer even |
| 22:09.07 | Epidemical | doub: that file seems to need a physical interface - I don't think my kernel assigns an interface to my card |
| 22:09.08 | Azar | yalu, get sarge |
| 22:09.18 | Epidemical | doub: at least, there's no mention of an eth1 in dmesg |
| 22:09.20 | yalu | jetscreamer: including drivers. I don't have a cdrom drive in this laptop |
| 22:09.26 | trym | useruser: probably not.. maybe chose another font manager or something? It happened on my friends computer aswell |
| 22:09.26 | jetscreamer | geekboi: i run it, it CAN break enough to scare you (well it has) so it's up to you |
| 22:09.26 | douglas | where's the .htaccess file located (typically)? |
| 22:09.28 | yalu | and network = pcmcia |
| 22:09.28 | doub | Epidemical: of course you need to load the correct module first |
| 22:09.41 | jetscreamer | ah you mean floppies then yalu |
| 22:09.45 | doub | Epidemical: s/correct/right/ |
| 22:09.51 | jetscreamer | thought you meant cd's |
| 22:09.51 | alex__ | useruser: ok so in my .baschrc, it will look like 'export somewhere=/usr/share/local/somewhere:$PATH' , is that correct ? |
| 22:09.59 | useruser | trym: maybe you're running a font server or something. don't really know though |
| 22:10.05 | useruser | alex__: nope |
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| 22:10.15 | useruser | alex__: maybe you did want an alias after all |
| 22:10.21 | alex__ | useruser: hum |
| 22:10.42 | jetscreamer | trym: did you install xtt maybe? |
| 22:10.48 | useruser | alex__: do you want to be able to run all programs in /usr/share/local/ just by typing their name? |
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| 22:11.05 | alex__ | useruser: what I want is to type cd somewhere and it goes there, regarless where I am |
| 22:11.05 | useruser | alex__: or do you just want to run /usr/share/local/somewhere by typing somewhere? |
| 22:11.16 | useruser | alex__: well that's a different kettle of cod |
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| 22:11.33 | cuco | if i remember that was a tutorial for compiling and installing a kernel on debian... does anyone know what i am talking about? |
| 22:11.36 | useruser | alex__: choose a different name than cd, that'll get confusing |
| 22:11.37 | yalu | can netboot be used on a laptop? |
| 22:11.46 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 22:11.46 | doub | alex__: you might want CDPATH |
| 22:11.46 | dpkg | methinks kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 22:11.58 | alex__ | doub: how do that work ? |
| 22:12.06 | useruser | alex__: you could do this: alias cds='cd /usr/share/local/somewhere' |
| 22:12.07 | jetscreamer | yalu: yeah but i can't tell you how |
| 22:12.22 | useruser | alex__: type it into your shell prompt, then type cds to test it out |
| 22:12.24 | doub | alex__: just as the regular $PATH, but it only affects the 'cd' command |
| 22:12.29 | jetscreamer | yalu: if you mean by the floppies sure, if you mean pxe i don't know how but yeah |
| 22:12.31 | yalu | I'll just use floppies |
| 22:12.35 | doub | alex__: man bash, search for CDPATH |
| 22:12.52 | useruser | doub: hey that's cool |
| 22:12.52 | yalu | jetscreamer: pxe won't work anyhow |
| 22:12.54 | jetscreamer | yalu: you may only need the root and the boot floppies |
| 22:13.00 | useruser | alex__: ignore me, do what doub said |
| 22:13.04 | yalu | jetscreamer: I'll try it out hehe |
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| 22:13.32 | doub | useruser: it's so cool it's nearly ice ;) |
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| 22:14.09 | streuner | ralf`away: turn that off |
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| 22:14.42 | jetscreamer | i had a dog named ralph once, she was a good dog |
| 22:14.49 | useruser | streuner: hey, can't you read? he's away! :P |
| 22:15.29 | PeTeRB | useruser: Your nickname reminds me of badgerbadgerbadger.com :| |
| 22:15.34 | streuner | some users aren't able to turn it off - they just don't know how... |
| 22:15.41 | Azar | newbiedoc is not available, too bad, this newbie lost another potentially good link |
| 22:15.50 | jetscreamer | had to turn it on didn't they |
| 22:16.08 | paco | has anybody here ever heard of the website "thegleek.com"? |
| 22:16.21 | PeTeRB | useruseruser: How about useruseruser-kernel-kernel ? |
| 22:16.22 | takatumi | Azar: try http://qref.sourceforge.net |
| 22:16.36 | takatumi | or install the debian-reference package. |
| 22:16.47 | Azar | beautiful site takatumi. thanks :) |
| 22:18.01 | Azar | wow that is the updated reference :) |
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| 22:19.21 | useruseruser | takatumi: that winking penguin freaks me out |
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| 22:19.41 | dfzi | how many of you have maken their hobby with computers & linux into a successfull career? |
| 22:19.52 | takatumi | useruseruser: turn off images. :) |
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| 22:20.27 | FieldySnuts | dfzi: me |
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| 22:20.39 | PeTeRB | dfzi: Ask me again in a few years. |
| 22:20.58 | WhiteRabbit | dfzi, I did but with bsd instead of linux |
| 22:21.09 | dorijan | dfzi: just different, i was forced to linux by my career |
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| 22:21.44 | cureless | can anybody recommend a good rescue CD with parted? |
| 22:22.01 | giupy | cureless, knoppix? |
| 22:22.08 | elirips | hello. anybody knows what could be the reason for this: i have some smb shares mounted with smbmount. if i set my laptop into suspend-mode and wake it up later again, konqueror is "stuck" until i remount the smb-shares. any ideas how to avoid this? |
| 22:22.26 | dfzi | FieldySnuts (others can answer too), this might be a bit sensitive, and you don't have to answer if this feels pushy, but how much they pay you? |
| 22:22.53 | cureless | giupy: I'm trying to avoid knoppix, I was looking for something small, but I'll try knoppix if nothing shows up. Does it come with parted? |
| 22:23.10 | jetscreamer | don't do knoppix do kanotix |
| 22:23.14 | trym | jetscreamer: might be.. in that case.. how could I fix it ? |
| 22:23.25 | FieldySnuts | well i won't give a number, but I don't make shit. that is because 1) it is my first job in the field 2) i was a wanker and didn't tell them higher but that's okay, i'm ready for my next job, and will be making about us$60-70K/year |
| 22:23.27 | WhiteRabbit | cureless, http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 22:23.56 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.10 | trym | jetscreamer: in re to your xtt question |
| 22:24.15 | Azar | dfzi, personally I envision myself mswindows free as soon as possible as I forsee my company moving to linux (hopefully debian) soon |
| 22:24.16 | cureless | I tried sysresccd but it doesn't work on this laptop. |
| 22:24.32 | cureless | I normally use that, but I'm forced to find a replacement. |
| 22:24.36 | WhiteRabbit | cureless, let me guess it want even boot |
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| 22:25.03 | cureless | no, it'll boot, but it won't recognize the cd drive. It's one of those laptops with external cds. |
| 22:25.13 | jetscreamer | trym: if so, change the line in /etc/XF86Config-4 from FontPath"unix/:7100" to FontPath"unix/:7110" (iirc) |
| 22:25.14 | alex__ | doub: I have tried to put this in my .bashrc, but it does not work: export PATH=/var/www:$CDPATH |
| 22:25.14 | cureless | However, other distros do boot correctly. |
| 22:25.21 | WhiteRabbit | bam tom backpack? |
| 22:25.35 | alex__ | doub: sorry export CDPATH=/var/www:$CDPATH |
| 22:25.41 | fugit | anyone have information on getting ASE 12.5.2 running under debian? All the information I can find points to a glibc problem but no solution |
| 22:25.48 | trym | jetscreamer: just a sec.. ill try |
| 22:25.51 | jetscreamer | alex__: are you using gdm or something? |
| 22:26.06 | geekboi | jetscreamer: Well, I have no access to this machine other than ssh, so, if it faw down go boom, I'm up a creek and since it's unmanaged, it's likely the resolution is to have tech support re-image it |
| 22:26.10 | alex__ | jetscreamer: no why ? |
| 22:26.23 | jetscreamer | alex__: because gdm sets the path if you use it |
| 22:26.25 | dfzi | FieldySnuts, 60-70K is a lot. :) |
| 22:26.31 | PeTeRB | alex__: You just put that in .bashrc and didn't execute it? |
| 22:26.36 | trym | jetscreamer: I dont have a line that looksl ike that.. just /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/* |
| 22:26.49 | FieldySnuts | dfzi: yeah fine with me, i could make far more but I'm not willing to work that hard... personal life is far more important to me |
| 22:26.50 | jetscreamer | trym: it 'should' be the first line in the font section |
| 22:26.58 | jetscreamer | trym: it always has been here |
| 22:27.01 | alex__ | PeTeRB: no I put this in my .bashrc, then I loged out and back in again |
| 22:27.13 | PeTeRB | alex__: Ah. |
| 22:27.14 | cureless | FieldySnuts: what do you do? |
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| 22:27.20 | jetscreamer | and then under it it says # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these |
| 22:27.21 | alex__ | jetscreamer: no I use zsh |
| 22:27.27 | jetscreamer | and there's a longer list under that |
| 22:27.33 | dfzi | FieldySnuts, who needs more than that anyway? |
| 22:27.40 | jetscreamer | alex__: oh ok nm |
| 22:27.42 | FieldySnuts | dfzi: yeah no kidding |
| 22:27.43 | trym | jetscreamer: my xfree conf has been modified from day 1.. but I can try adding it ? |
| 22:27.45 | alex__ | doub: any other suggestion ? |
| 22:27.55 | alex__ | jetscreamer: nm ? |
| 22:28.00 | dfzi | FieldySnuts, that's like 5000 dollars / month. |
| 22:28.18 | doub | alex__: explain "does not work" ? |
| 22:28.19 | jetscreamer | trym: sure, but you might wanna try # md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum and drxx |
| 22:28.21 | FieldySnuts | yeah. i'm living (sort of) on far far far less than that right now |
| 22:28.22 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 22:28.22 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 22:28.26 | jetscreamer | !md5sum |
| 22:28.27 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 22:28.32 | jetscreamer | blecgh |
| 22:28.36 | cureless | dfzi: how old are you? |
| 22:28.44 | trym | jetscreamer: netstat does not show anything containing 7100 or 7110 |
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| 22:29.00 | eeyore- | dfzi: depends on where you live |
| 22:29.01 | jetscreamer | trym: ok |
| 22:29.03 | paco | is anyone familiar with vmware workstation? |
| 22:29.11 | alex__ | doub, I do 'cd somewhere' and it says 'cd no such file or directory: somewhere' |
| 22:29.14 | eeyore- | dfzi: if you have a family, that might not be sufficient for certain parts of the country |
| 22:29.17 | resiak | !anyone |
| 22:29.17 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:29.25 | jetscreamer | trym: beyond me, try the fontdeuglification how-to on tldp.org maybe |
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| 22:29.28 | cureless | eeyore-: you live in california too? |
| 22:29.32 | dfzi | cureless, soon to be 19, but i was just asking for wages since i'm about to choose what will i be studying next years. (completed high school this spring) |
| 22:29.33 | eeyore- | cureless: :-> |
| 22:29.35 | giupy | paco, what do you want to know? |
| 22:29.36 | eeyore- | cureless: yeah |
| 22:29.41 | bwlang | i just broke my exim setup for authentication during an upgrade... it seems that auth has stopped working... "plain_saslauthd authenticator failed" is reported in the log... i am able to use test-saslauthd from the Debian-exim user ... any suggestions? |
| 22:29.42 | soukihei | i am getting error: Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library when i try to use gpgp Enigmail & Thunderbird. How can I fix this? running unstable |
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| 22:30.01 | cureless | dfzi: is your goal to make money or is your goal to have fun with computers? |
| 22:30.03 | resiak | jetscreamer: /msg dpkg xmd5 # just so you know :-) |
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| 22:30.04 | Azar | greycat, last night you recommended me to do : m-a a-i alsa-source what m-a a-i means? |
| 22:30.07 | eeyore- | cureless: i'm waiting for the housing market bubble to go boom, *then* maybe i can afford a house |
| 22:30.08 | azeroth | kann mir einer sagen wie ich den debian ordner in das kde men tu? |
| 22:30.12 | resiak | !m-a |
| 22:30.12 | dpkg | methinks module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 22:30.12 | jetscreamer | heh ok resiak |
| 22:30.13 | dfzi | cureless, and IT business is nowadays kinda low-rated job, unless you're professional willing to code symbian for food. at least in finland. |
| 22:30.14 | eeyore- | cureless: no offense if you own a house :-> |
| 22:30.15 | azeroth | oh english xD |
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| 22:30.19 | resiak | Azar: What's wrong with man m-a? |
| 22:30.19 | useruseruser | !german |
| 22:30.20 | dpkg | well, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 22:30.20 | doub | alex__: is somewhere in your CDPATH ? that is within the contents of what's in $CDPATH? |
| 22:30.25 | azeroth | How to add the "debian fodler" into the kde menue? |
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| 22:30.27 | FieldySnuts | dfzi: just remember what i've found... that is a peice of paper (cert, degree) to the big companies is very important. but to everyone else (that's like 95% of the companies), experience is usually far more important. a peice of paper isn't always the key. |
| 22:30.31 | Azar | resiak, good idea, thanks |
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| 22:30.36 | cureless | eeyore-: there was an article on ... newsweek (iirc) recently about why right now it's the time to rent, not to buy. |
| 22:30.37 | paco | giupy, i installed debian, and then vmware, and when i did the debian install, i only left like 5 megs for vmware. am i in deep trouble? |
| 22:30.38 | cy_ | hello |
| 22:30.45 | dfzi | cureless, my job is to find a job, that i can enjoy for the coming decades. |
| 22:30.53 | jetscreamer | ib4exceptafterc |
| 22:31.03 | mngrif | dfzi: right behind ya |
| 22:31.03 | cureless | dfzi: I'm getting a job offer from Nokia right now. |
| 22:31.05 | eeyore- | cureless: no *shit*. condominiums costing $980K for WHAT? no yard, no nothing. that's absolutely disgusting |
| 22:31.08 | jetscreamer | dfzi: good luck |
| 22:31.08 | trym | jetscreamer: Im comparing the X configs I had before when it worked to the one I have now.. no difference.. so it has to be something else |
| 22:31.14 | doub | alex__: it works that way : you have /foo/bar, you put 'export CDPATH=/foo', then you can 'cd bar' |
| 22:31.17 | azeroth | How to add the "debian fodler" into the kde menue? |
| 22:31.34 | jetscreamer | trym: i suggested that only if it was the x-tt that you inadvertently installed |
| 22:31.38 | giupy | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.50 | cureless | dfzi: all I can say is go to school doing something that you like, you won't regret it, even if you don't make gizillions of dollars. |
| 22:31.52 | jetscreamer | trym: however, you might want the line with 7100 in it |
| 22:31.57 | alex__ | I understand that, and yes I have bar in my foo which is now in my $CDPATH, ok I check again |
| 22:32.04 | paco | giupy, i formatted the whole 80gigs for debian, and i left no room for my virtual OS. |
| 22:32.05 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 22:32.13 | dfzi | FieldySnuts, so true. relations and experience are far more important than degrees. |
| 22:32.25 | paco | giupy, there's like, 5 megs left |
| 22:32.25 | dfzi | cureless, what country? |
| 22:32.27 | giupy | paco but you can create virtual hd |
| 22:32.33 | cureless | dfzi: what country what? |
| 22:32.33 | trym | jetscreamer: Ill dig some more into it.. thanks for your help |
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| 22:32.41 | dfzi | cureless, you live in? |
| 22:32.43 | jetscreamer | np |
| 22:32.46 | cureless | dfzi: California. |
| 22:32.53 | FieldySnuts | dfzi: yeah that really is the key, go to school and do something you LIKE... then work won't feel like work, or if it doesn't, you at least won't hate it |
| 22:32.55 | Aeo | how do i get the apt-get think to work?? |
| 22:33.00 | paco | giupy, oh...didn't know that..i am still learning here |
| 22:33.02 | cureless | dfzi: but I'm not a US citizen. |
| 22:33.02 | FieldySnuts | dfzi: makes life a lot easier... |
| 22:33.11 | cy_ | somehow, my system keeps installing the same packages over and over, everytime i do apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade .. it installs just like 5 packages.... without errors .. then after redoing it, it wants to install em again ?!?! |
| 22:33.21 | mngrif | what's a good dos emulator that does graphics while being somewhat fast? |
| 22:33.21 | giupy | paco :) that's the good of vmware :) |
| 22:33.24 | eeyore- | dfzi: as long as you know your stuff, degrees are secondary. HOWEVER, and this is a big however ... degrees make it easier to get past the basic HR filters |
| 22:33.25 | jetscreamer | Aeo: run it as root for one, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade for another |
| 22:33.58 | paco | giupy, i thought the point of vmware was that you could run two OSs on one machine |
| 22:34.09 | eeyore- | paco: it is |
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| 22:34.12 | FieldySnuts | more than once I've run accross employers that are even annoyed at people with degrees |
| 22:34.13 | doub | alex__: don't forget to put '.' first in CDPATH, as it is implied but last, so if you have bar somewhere in your CDPATH and another bar in your current folder, it will go to the first one |
| 22:34.25 | FieldySnuts | educated doesn't equal common sense, as one put it |
| 22:34.25 | mngrif | giupy: you can make a hd image into a file. it worked quite well for me |
| 22:34.34 | giupy | paco, with vmware you can run all oses you want, it's depend of your ram and cpu |
| 22:34.38 | cureless | dfzi: if you know your stuff getting a degree won't be a big hassle. It'll help you along and will increase your starting salary. |
| 22:34.45 | jbmigel | paco "qemu" is good like vmware too and its free |
| 22:34.48 | paco | giupy, i had no choice..my orginal xp install was not detecting my sata drive, so i first used linux to detect it, and then a second user can use xp. |
| 22:34.50 | jetscreamer | cy_: i recommend trying dselect and seeing if you get the same behavior, most of the channel might disagree |
| 22:35.01 | mngrif | hey, qemu... |
| 22:35.06 | Aeo | jetscreamer i onley get.. 0 packages, o newly installd,,, bla bla bla |
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| 22:35.22 | doub | FieldySnuts: 'common sense' implies you share something with the others having the same 'common sense' |
| 22:35.25 | jetscreamer | Aeo: ok so what you have installed is up to date |
| 22:35.25 | ethics | paco: what sata chipset out of curiosity? |
| 22:35.38 | doub | FieldySnuts: which makes it not so common after all |
| 22:35.39 | jetscreamer | aeo so now you want more packages? try aptitude or dselect |
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| 22:35.39 | paco | its a hitachi |
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| 22:35.58 | jetscreamer | hitachi makes chipsets? |
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| 22:36.14 | resiak | paco: You're not planning to use XP through VMWare for day-to-day use, are you? |
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| 22:36.35 | paco | resiak: no, not me..its for the chick scretary |
| 22:36.51 | paco | resiak: xp is terrible |
| 22:36.56 | alex__ | doub, I have /tmp/xyz, then in my .bashrc I have 'export CDPATH=.:/tmp/:$CDPATH', is that correct ? |
| 22:36.58 | paco | down with the king! |
| 22:37.03 | FieldySnuts | has to be king first |
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| 22:37.05 | eeyore- | dfzi: in chicago when i first started six years ago ... the first offer i got was $35k, and that was without degree. but, i knew my stuff :-> |
| 22:37.12 | TNKS | Does anybody know of a website that documents the major and minor block numbers well? |
| 22:37.24 | Azar | I am confused, I view my /usr/src list and I see TWO kernel-headers in there: kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 and kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 when trying to compile alsa-sources, which one would be good ? |
| 22:37.33 | doub | alex__: seems like |
| 22:37.37 | eeyore- | dfzi: actually, it was more like .... seven years ago |
| 22:37.38 | dfzi | cureless, yey. but it isn't certainly nice to graduate and unemployed, since it-business and everything else is in a bit of depression right now here in finland. although companies running paper- and metalwork are having a huge deficit of labour force. |
| 22:37.38 | jetscreamer | eeyore-: so has your salary doubled yet? |
| 22:37.44 | resiak | paco: You do realise that it will be horrifically slow, don't you? Surely SATA drivers for your chipset exist for WinXP? |
| 22:37.45 | paco | qemu...never even heard of it...where do you fellas here of this?? sourceforge?? |
| 22:37.53 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: of course :-> |
| 22:37.59 | resiak | !info qemu |
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| 22:38.00 | jbmigel | paco hehe i heard of it here |
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| 22:38.03 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: but it's a different company and all |
| 22:38.06 | jetscreamer | :( i feel inferior |
| 22:38.07 | dpkg | qemu: (fast processor emulator), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.6.1+20050407-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1841 kB, Installed size: 5992 kB |
| 22:38.17 | alex__ | doub, it does not work, is it possible that this is because I use zsh ? |
| 22:38.22 | jetscreamer | but not much |
| 22:38.22 | cureless | dfzi: go to school, if the job market is bad, go to grad school. |
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| 22:38.35 | Aeo | jetscreamer .. Like I whant to apt-get gaim2 for an ex.. |
| 22:38.39 | dfzi | cureless, but the problem is that no-one really does feel those kind of jobs as their own. they aren't so mediasexy as careers running around information technology etc. |
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| 22:39.00 | cureless | dfzi: what kind of jobs? |
| 22:39.03 | paco | resiak: the problem is that the xp install on its own didnt detect the sata drive, so xp wouldnt load |
| 22:39.03 | FieldySnuts | !feel Phated |
| 22:39.05 | doub | alex__: it's obviously a good reason, as it's a bash feature |
| 22:39.06 | resiak | Aeo: You want gaim2? |
| 22:39.07 | FieldySnuts | m. |
| 22:39.07 | jetscreamer | Aeo: apt-cache search gaim && apt-get install (probably gaim) |
| 22:39.14 | FieldySnuts | !info gaim |
| 22:39.16 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.3.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 864 kB, Installed size: 2216 kB |
| 22:39.17 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :) |
| 22:39.18 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: salary is highly dependent on what part of country you live in. $45k might be a lot in certain places. $80k might be not enough in places like california :-p |
| 22:39.19 | resiak | paco: So you boot from an appropriate floppy. |
| 22:39.28 | FieldySnuts | there IS no gaim 2 as far as i Know |
| 22:39.28 | dfzi | cureless, of course there's an option of graduating in finland (for free) and moving abroad for few years to work. |
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| 22:39.42 | doub | alex__: maybe zsh has it too, but under another name |
| 22:39.42 | resiak | FieldySnuts: That was going to be my point: it's in CVS, and will be for a while. |
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| 22:40.02 | FieldySnuts | oh. if it's in cvs, you're on your own then |
| 22:40.02 | jetscreamer | eeyore-: i was just comparing :) |
| 22:40.17 | resiak | FieldySnuts: That was going to be my next point. |
| 22:40.21 | dfzi | cureless, paper and metal industries. |
| 22:40.36 | alex__ | doub: the strange thing is that I have not got any ~/.zshrc |
| 22:40.42 | ethics | paco: when you run the xp setup there is text that is displayed on the screen that you may be advised to rean: its the one that says...Press f-6 to load supplementary drivers from disk |
| 22:40.44 | eeyore- | dfzi: you know .... paper and metal industries HAVE to use computers, too |
| 22:40.49 | PeTeRB | alex__, doub: One question. Does zsh execute ~/.bashrc? |
| 22:40.50 | cureless | dfzi: yeah, that sounds boring. |
| 22:40.51 | caphuso | alex__: wait, you've put a line setting $CDPATH in your ~/.bashrc and are wondering why it doesn't affect your zsh? |
| 22:40.57 | resiak | PeTeRB: No. |
| 22:41.02 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 22:41.02 | eeyore- | dfzi: or, you think there's any industry in today's age that doesn't use computers? |
| 22:41.12 | simonrvn | wtf... |
| 22:41.15 | alex__ | caphuso: yes |
| 22:41.17 | ethics | paco or something similar to it...its almost the first thing you will see in the startup of windows nt installers. |
| 22:41.27 | cureless | eeyore-: paiters. |
| 22:41.30 | jetscreamer | !crabpastesmite alex__ |
| 22:41.35 | eeyore- | dfzi: and the metal industry would *probably* use a few automation tools .... that means fun stuff working with realtime computers |
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| 22:41.37 | simonrvn | alex__: uh, do you not know what your shell's rc files are? stick to bash then |
| 22:41.40 | cureless | eeyore-: painters. |
| 22:41.41 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.42 | alex__ | caphuso: obviously zsh do not execute .bashrc |
| 22:41.45 | dfzi | eeyore-, yeah. but the problem is that paper and metal industries can't market themselves for the youth and nobody's interested. |
| 22:41.49 | crogue5_ | the painter probably uses a comp to make his invoices to give to the customers |
| 22:41.51 | forester | eeyore-: Yes, definitely, multiple industries. |
| 22:41.52 | caphuso | alex__: uhm |
| 22:42.00 | eeyore- | cureless: well, *some* painting industry employs computers ... automotive paint for instance |
| 22:42.01 | jetscreamer | Azar: just pass it kernel-headers-`uname -r` for the value |
| 22:42.03 | ethics | Azar type uname -r and use the headers that match that |
| 22:42.05 | alex__ | caphuso: makes sense now |
| 22:42.09 | doub | alex__: try it on command line, see if it works, add it to .zshrc |
| 22:42.11 | caphuso | alex__: one could, when reading the file name .bashrc, kinda suspect something like that |
| 22:42.12 | Azar | thanks guys |
| 22:42.17 | zeroC | gn8 @ll |
| 22:42.21 | forester | Not that I will be teaching you what they are, even if you did want to know.. |
| 22:42.24 | forester | :p |
| 22:42.30 | doub | caphuso: that's being paranoid ;) |
| 22:42.33 | caphuso | since it's called .BASHrc not .ANYRANDOMSHELLYOUAREEVERGOINGTOUSErc |
| 22:42.33 | jethro | !irritate me |
| 22:42.34 | dpkg | jethro: hi every1 who uses cable plz msg me, ps` |
| 22:42.46 | jetscreamer | !tabsmite jethro |
| 22:42.49 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 22:42.51 | cureless | eeyore-: crogue5_: I mean artist painters, the old kind. I guess they use computers for email, but they probably wont _hire_ a computer person for something else. |
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| 22:43.17 | eeyore- | cureless: if they're successful enough, Wylan :-> the guy who paints whales and stuff |
| 22:43.19 | paco | resiak: you are right....the trouble is that i was too cheap too purchase an internal a drive |
| 22:43.27 | jethro | I ll avoid talking since I m so fscking drunk |
| 22:43.29 | dfzi | eeyore-, yea. that's what i thought. i'm kinda interested in maths & computers, hence it would be nice to combine those with paper or metal industry. or something. |
| 22:43.36 | alex__ | caphuso: doub, ok it works if I put it in .zshrc, obviously, sorry for the bother |
| 22:43.39 | jethro | just wanted an irritate by dpkg |
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| 22:43.47 | jetscreamer | jethro: you're so drunk you're confusing typing with talking |
| 22:43.51 | resiak | paco: ...why not get one for, ooh, $5? |
| 22:43.52 | cureless | dfzi: get a CS degree. |
| 22:43.54 | jethro | jetscreamer: indeed! |
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| 22:44.00 | dfzi | eeyore-, wicked i can't get my thoughts gathered... though its 2:00AM so that explains. |
| 22:44.01 | eeyore- | cureless: uh, no. NO. he does *NOT* paint whales. he paints *pictures* of whales :-p |
| 22:44.01 | paco | resiak: where? best buy? |
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| 22:44.03 | alex__ | by the way, can I restart my shell session, without loggin out and in again ? |
| 22:44.13 | dfzi | cureless, what's CS? |
| 22:44.16 | eeyore- | cureless: i imagine painting whales would be rather hazardous to your health |
| 22:44.21 | dfzi | cureless, university degree? |
| 22:44.27 | cureless | dfzi: computer science, yes. |
| 22:44.29 | jetscreamer | comp sci |
| 22:44.31 | jbmigel | paco just take one out of some other computer for 5 mins and once windows is installed then put it back |
| 22:44.34 | caphuso | alex__: you can simply source your startup files again, or exec a new shell |
| 22:44.36 | dfzi | cureless, ah ok. |
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| 22:44.43 | doub | alex__: you can always start another shell (at first sight, 'zsh' would make it) |
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| 22:45.00 | paco | resiak: true... |
| 22:45.02 | resiak | paco: I have NFI, I'm not an American. The Global Intarweb probably knows. |
| 22:45.27 | jetscreamer | paco: http://pricewatch.com/ |
| 22:45.37 | cureless | dfzi: and if you want to make "more money" you might want a masters. Don't you have one of those 5 year degrees in .fi? |
| 22:45.42 | dfzi | cureless, just for curiosity... what kind of job did they offer you from nokia? |
| 22:45.44 | eeyore- | resiak: just you wait. Best Buy will open a store near you. All Hail Globalization! |
| 22:45.52 | cureless | dfzi: Network Researcher. |
| 22:46.06 | jetscreamer | googling for a living? :) |
| 22:46.18 | eeyore- | jetscreamer: might as well be a porn start |
| 22:46.18 | simonrvn | @shoot globalisation |
| 22:46.21 | eeyore- | porn star |
| 22:46.22 | resiak | eeyore-: And I will stab them in the face. ;-) |
| 22:46.24 | dfzi | cureless, i believe that every higher diploma in finland takes from 5 to 6 years. |
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| 22:46.57 | cureless | dfzi: some european countries have a bach+masters that's about 5 years, that's what I was saying. |
| 22:47.13 | COOL-L | hi |
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| 22:47.37 | thaswiftness | how can i set my local timezone to EST instead of UTC ? |
| 22:47.42 | jetscreamer | tzconfig |
| 22:47.46 | caphuso | thaswiftness: tzconfig |
| 22:48.05 | jetscreamer | !lart slowass caphuso |
| 22:48.14 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 22:48.25 | dfzi | cureless, the english terminology is a bit of mystery to me, but master in philosophy (cs, maths, physics, chemistry etc under that) takes about 5 years. but diploma-engineer is a bit higher rated in finland. |
| 22:48.27 | jetscreamer | beer sounds good |
| 22:48.45 | caphuso | jetscreamer: but i wasn't too lazy to not add the nick :-) |
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| 22:48.56 | dfzi | cureless, especially in technical stuff related positions. |
| 22:49.02 | underline | wazzup dudes... |
| 22:49.16 | cureless | dfzi: it's not english terminology, it's cultural diferences. Happens between many countries. |
| 22:49.21 | jetscreamer | !chastise me |
| 22:49.23 | PeTeRB | underline: Ceiling. |
| 22:49.31 | thaswiftness | caphuso, i ran tzconfig, but the time is still showing UTC when i select local timezone |
| 22:49.41 | jetscreamer | as root? |
| 22:49.47 | resiak | paco: I'd get mine here: http://dabs.com/uk/channels/hardware/storage/products.htm?catid=210 # Admittedly 5GBP ~= 10USD, but you get my drift. |
| 22:49.49 | jetscreamer | you ran it as root? |
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| 22:49.56 | cureless | dfzi: what do you refer to as a diploma-engineer? |
| 22:50.06 | caphuso | thaswiftness: what's your local time zone? |
| 22:50.16 | thaswiftness | eastern |
| 22:50.30 | dfzi | cureless, that's true also. for instance it's impossible to meassure swedish and finnish high schools although they should be quite like the same. |
| 22:50.41 | jetscreamer | thaswiftness: exactly which clock hasn't changed |
| 22:50.46 | caphuso | thaswiftness: what does "TZ=EST date" report? |
| 22:50.56 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 22:51.02 | thaswiftness | resiak, i did restart x |
| 22:51.06 | resiak | :O |
| 22:51.10 | resiak | jetscreamer: OMG! |
| 22:51.15 | dfzi | cureless, humn. diploma-engineer differs from traditional engineer that they make a Pro-Gradu as their final work (diploma work) |
| 22:51.16 | caphuso | why should he need to log out? |
| 22:51.20 | resiak | caphuso: I don't know, TBH. |
| 22:51.24 | cureless | dfzi: I've never been to a finnish or swedish high school so I'll take your word for it. |
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| 22:51.46 | thaswiftness | Thu May 26 17:51:11 EST 2005 |
| 22:51.55 | dfzi | cureless, gradu is oftenly ordered by a company. |
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| 22:51.57 | caphuso | that looks about right |
| 22:52.08 | caphuso | thaswiftness: and "just date" says what? |
| 22:52.08 | jetscreamer | his system is set to use utc instead of local time i guess |
| 22:52.08 | dfzi | cureless, no wait! master's thesis :) |
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| 22:52.16 | jetscreamer | !utc |
| 22:52.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, utc is Universal Time Convention, aka GMT. BST is British Summer Time, our version of daylight savings time. Timezones are expressed as UTC plus-or-minus some difference, e.g. UTC-0500 or UTC+0930 |
| 22:52.21 | caphuso | jetscreamer: yes, i think so too |
| 22:52.26 | thaswiftness | Thu May 26 22:51:59 UTC 2005 |
| 22:52.37 | jetscreamer | but i can't remember how to change that... i know/think it's in baseconfig |
| 22:52.48 | jetscreamer | base-config |
| 22:52.49 | thaswiftness | but that est time isnt right, since its almost 7 and not almost 6 |
| 22:53.04 | eeyore- | s/Contention/Coordinated |
| 22:53.12 | eeyore- | uh, Convention, even |
| 22:53.27 | eeyore- | let me try ... |
| 22:53.29 | caphuso | jetscreamer: editor /etc/default/rcS |
| 22:53.40 | eeyore- | nah, better not. i'd screw up dpkg :-) |
| 22:53.42 | caphuso | thaswiftness: and you chose what in tzconfig? |
| 22:53.45 | underline | thaswiftness thaswiftness try to use tzselect |
| 22:53.46 | dfzi | dfzi, master's thesis is the right word for diploma-work made by diploma-engineers. |
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| 22:54.02 | jetscreamer | as god is my witness! |
| 22:54.09 | thaswiftness | i think base-config did the trick |
| 22:54.11 | jetscreamer | asgard is my witness! |
| 22:54.11 | thaswiftness | :] |
| 22:54.15 | simonrvn | jeu mai 26 18:54:15 EDT 2005 |
| 22:54.20 | simonrvn | jeu mai 26 18:54:20 EDT 2005 |
| 22:54.20 | thaswiftness | Thu May 26 18:53:32 EDT 2005 |
| 22:54.25 | simonrvn | /bin/sh: dateoops,: not found |
| 22:54.32 | simonrvn | jeu mai 26 22:54:32 UTC 2005 |
| 22:54.37 | simonrvn | sorry.. |
| 22:54.39 | FieldySnuts | @lart simonrvn |
| 22:54.40 | thaswiftness | guess i should have known to check that :p |
| 22:54.43 | thaswiftness | thanks guys |
| 22:54.43 | caphuso | Today is Boomtime, the 1st day of Confusion in the YOLD 3171 |
| 22:54.49 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: you localized in french? |
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| 22:54.55 | jetscreamer | you're? |
| 22:55.01 | simonrvn | yeh, fr_CA.UTF-8 |
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| 22:55.17 | simonrvn | some of the stuff, other stuff is either C, or en_CA |
| 22:55.38 | jetscreamer | more skills to admire :/ |
| 22:55.44 | jetscreamer | (and not have) |
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| 22:55.55 | simonrvn | nt hard, just export the locale stuff |
| 22:56.09 | jetscreamer | reading french |
| 22:56.24 | jetscreamer | might help |
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| 22:56.45 | simonrvn | LANG=en_CA.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=en_CA.UTF-8 LC_NUMERIC=en_CA.UTF-8 LC_TIME=fr_CA.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C LC_MONETARY=fr_CA.UTF-8 LC_MESSAGES=en_CA.UTF-8 LC_PAPER=en_CA.UTF-8 LC_NAME=en_CA.UTF-8 LC_ADDRESS=en_CA.UTF-8 LC_TELEPHONE=en_CA.UTF-8 LC_MEASUREMENT=fr_CA.UTF-8 LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_CA.UTF-8 LC_ALL= |
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| 22:56.57 | simonrvn | (from 'locale') |
| 22:57.11 | PeTeRB | Just out of curiosity, am I the only one who has speed issues with fluxbox and UTF-8 locales? |
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| 22:57.30 | simonrvn | utf-8 doesn't matter for speed |
| 22:57.34 | jetscreamer | PeTeRB: you might get a better response if you rephrased |
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| 22:58.10 | doub | !dict response |
| 22:58.12 | dpkg | Dictionary 'response' Response \Re*sponse"\ (r?*sp?ns"), n. [OF. response, respons, F. r['e]ponse, from L. responsum, from respondere. See Respond.] 1. The act of responding. |
| 22:58.21 | doub | cool |
| 22:58.39 | doub | what's the difference between 'response' and 'answer' ? |
| 22:58.44 | jetscreamer | i have one: why are my ncurses menus, like menuconfig, populated with ugly hash marks in console, but not an xterm |
| 22:58.57 | PeTeRB | !dict answer |
| 22:59.00 | dpkg | Dictionary 'answer' (2 of 33): . Answer \An"swer\, v. i. 1. To speak or write by way of return (originally, to a charge), or in reply; to make response. ;; 2. Something said or written in reply to a question, a call, an argument, an address, or the like; a reply.. |
| 22:59.03 | simonrvn | locale settings |
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| 22:59.25 | doub | simonrvn: i guess so :) |
| 22:59.26 | jetscreamer | well i wouldn't consider a nuclear answer, but maybe a nuclear response |
| 22:59.28 | tam | i've had this problem before and forgot how to fix it. here it is: i'm on another computer on my lan but whenever i try and connect to my webserver on my lan it always resolves my actual domain name. how is it so that i can view my computer on the lan using the lan name as it is connection refused using my domain |
| 22:59.30 | simonrvn | do something like unicode_stop; LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 22:59.39 | Inglorion | i just put together a system consisting of a via epia sp8000e and a nec dvd burner. i'm booting it over network (root is nfs). everything works great, but i can't play dvds; it gives me read errors for pretty much every sector. does anyone know what could be the problem? |
| 22:59.56 | jetscreamer | hmmm /me gives it a shot |
| 23:00.00 | ethics | doub , isnt and answer a completion to a question but a response can be used even if theres no question |
| 23:00.21 | eeyore- | Inglorion: no idea. i have epia m2-10k + dvd/cdrw combo, no problem there |
| 23:00.38 | eeyore- | Inglorion: check the ide cable maybe? |
| 23:00.58 | eeyore- | Inglorion: maybe it's a bum drive/disk? |
| 23:01.13 | jetscreamer | what is an xterm if it's not a virtual console |
| 23:01.32 | eeyore- | Inglorion: may be a bum drive, then |
| 23:01.43 | oguz | eeyore-, i still have cdrecord problem and couldnt fix it |
| 23:01.50 | doub | jetscreamer: an X terminal, maybe |
| 23:02.12 | r_marvin | jetscreamer: a terminal emulator |
| 23:02.13 | jetscreamer | oguz: check the permissions on cdrecord and the device in /dev |
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| 23:02.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:02.20 | eeyore- | Inglorion: i've had a brand spanking new drive shipped from vendor, and i hear a plastic thing rolling around inside ... shook it a bit and a piece fell off. can't be too sure about newness = workingness :-) |
| 23:02.22 | jetscreamer | clear as mud |
| 23:02.34 | TNKS | I was wondering. I have a Thinkpad, so it has both a trackpoint and a touchpad. It seems on my system that the touchpad is assigned mouse0 and the trackpoint mouse1 by the kernel. What determines that? Is it possible to alternate this somehow? |
| 23:02.48 | TNKS | I don't need to. I'm just curious about the kernel names. |
| 23:02.58 | zinx | TNKS: just use /dev/input/mice |
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| 23:03.09 | zinx | TNKS: driver load order determines device |
| 23:03.15 | jetscreamer | that didn't answer what he wanted to know zinx |
| 23:03.18 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:03.19 | zinx | TNKS: you can remap it with udev, but it's slightly complicated |
| 23:03.30 | FieldySnuts | ~annoy udev |
| 23:03.31 | oguz | Jetscreamer, brw-rw---- 1 root disk 22, 0 2003-12-21 18:53 hdc |
| 23:03.33 | r_marvin | ... not to mention useless |
| 23:03.42 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: annoy udev |
| 23:03.43 | ravenbird | udev: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 23:04.27 | jetscreamer | oguz: myself, i chown root:cdrom /dev/hdc ymmv |
| 23:04.30 | zinx | hey, at least you don't have to deal with properly assigning pilot / pilot-generic devices |
| 23:04.35 | TNKS | zinx, I hear you. Actually. I'm setting up udev right now. Does load order determine the minor number too? |
| 23:04.42 | zinx | udev gets absolutely nothing to differentiate them |
| 23:04.54 | zinx | most people have hardcoded the ports; hah, i say to that! |
| 23:05.01 | zinx | TNKS: yes |
| 23:05.14 | zinx | TNKS: udev names based on minor, by default |
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| 23:05.23 | Max222 | Hey all.. |
| 23:05.33 | zinx | TNKS: well, it names via the kernel name, but that's based on the minor number ;) |
| 23:05.35 | oguz | jetscreamer, whati is this command used for, hdc is my dvd writer |
| 23:05.40 | jetscreamer | oguz check the pointing: ls -lAd /dev/cdrom |
| 23:05.40 | tam | how long should one wait before asking their question for a second time? |
| 23:05.48 | Max222 | One stupid question.. How do i set the debian clock manually? |
| 23:05.55 | jetscreamer | oguz: lets the cdrom group access the drive |
| 23:05.59 | paulswm | an xterm is more like a telnet session, you don't see console messages on it, consoles are different devices |
| 23:06.01 | FieldySnuts | man date |
| 23:06.04 | jetscreamer | Max222: date |
| 23:06.11 | TNKS | zinx, yeah. I've just found that udevinfo doesn't provide any information other than the minor number to efficiently differentiate one from the other. |
| 23:06.12 | Max222 | Thanks m8-s |
| 23:06.18 | jetscreamer | paulswm: okie thankee |
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| 23:06.27 | TNKS | (touchpad from trackpoint). |
| 23:06.27 | mngrif | is it just me, or is date the single most scarey unix-like command in existence? |
| 23:06.28 | paulswm | jetscreamer: np |
| 23:06.40 | Max222 | I useally use ntdate but i got no firewall clearance for that |
| 23:06.46 | jetscreamer | Max222: you might check into ntpdate also to set it to an sntp server |
| 23:06.56 | jetscreamer | ah nm |
| 23:07.05 | paulswm | non-root date is just dandy |
| 23:07.34 | doub | mngrif: vi wins by large ;) |
| 23:07.34 | jetscreamer | yeah date's manpage is kinda... unclear |
| 23:07.36 | zinx | mngrif: no. that would be gcal. gcal doesn't even work all that well, though.. |
| 23:07.39 | FieldySnuts | it is? |
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| 23:07.47 | mngrif | Max222: a great deal of firewalls are known to run ntpd servers |
| 23:07.50 | oguz | jetscreamer, i have a cdrom and it is hdd and dvdwriter is hdc, how will i ass the cdrom group tp dvdwriter |
| 23:07.59 | mngrif | doub: i won't go there... |
| 23:08.12 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start an editor war |
| 23:08.13 | dpkg | nano users can't think straight |
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| 23:08.14 | paulswm | But using date to radically change date/time can seriously fuck things up, particularly if you move the date into the past, some somtware is unimpressed with files and stuff which appear to have been created in the future. |
| 23:08.16 | mngrif | zinx: i'll have to play with that then... |
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| 23:08.20 | jetscreamer | oguz: a single group can have access to many devices |
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| 23:08.35 | jetscreamer | !worship nano |
| 23:09.00 | mngrif | !worship me |
| 23:09.04 | paulswm | !be an editor barbie |
| 23:09.04 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 23:09.06 | mngrif | neat :) |
| 23:09.11 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: perfect heh |
| 23:09.19 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: :D |
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| 23:09.40 | oguz | jetscreamer, i dont know how i will add group for dvdwriter or make is to belong a group |
| 23:09.55 | jetscreamer | oguz: i like the setup script that comes with xine-ui, it's called xine-check i think |
| 23:10.02 | jetscreamer | sets up your dvd |
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| 23:10.41 | jetscreamer | oguz: chown root:cdrom /dev/hd(whatever) would work |
| 23:10.54 | paulswm | !qotd43 |
| 23:10.55 | dpkg | i heard qotd43 is <kingk> Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me <takatumi> kingk: and yet you say it's easy. |
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| 23:10.55 | jetscreamer | oguz: but this is what 'I' do |
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| 23:11.12 | jetscreamer | qotd0 is cool |
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| 23:11.44 | mngrif | !qotd0 |
| 23:11.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd80 is <toresbe> Holy shit! <toresbe> My Ultra 1 is streaming kernel panics! <toresbe> oh crap - It's the BSOD screensaver <toresbe> I fall for that motherfucker every time |
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| 23:12.10 | paulswm | jetscreamer: Nah, I like to choose them rather than have one randomly picked :) |
| 23:12.27 | oguz | jetscreamer, nothing changed, my cdrecord still is not able to write dvds |
| 23:12.28 | doub | this qotd80 is great |
| 23:12.40 | resiak | Yes, it is. toresbe! You rock. |
| 23:13.21 | jetscreamer | oguz: you use growisofs to write to dvd |
| 23:13.34 | thaswiftness | lol @ that quote |
| 23:13.35 | jetscreamer | i thought you had permission issues |
| 23:14.00 | jetscreamer | oguz: rather, it's better to use growisofs |
| 23:14.13 | paulswm | doub: qotd71 is really good |
| 23:14.38 | thaswiftness | !qotd71 |
| 23:14.38 | dpkg | methinks qotd71 is <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
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| 23:15.02 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 23:15.02 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 23:15.04 | mrwill | that's a great quote |
| 23:15.07 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 23:15.23 | oguz | jetscreamer, shoule there be a /dev/dvd |
| 23:15.30 | eeyore- | who came up with "Toilet Paper" paper template in latest gimp anyway? :-) |
| 23:15.35 | oguz | jetscreamer, if so i dont have it |
| 23:15.46 | jetscreamer | oguz: a symlink pointing to /dev/hdc(or d) |
| 23:15.48 | paulswm | mrwill: And that was for real, too |
| 23:16.01 | mrwill | paulswm: that's what makes it so wonderful. |
| 23:16.10 | eeyore- | paulswm: you should see the quote over in #gentoo ... |
| 23:16.13 | jetscreamer | oguz: ln -sn /dev/hdc /dev/dvd iirc |
| 23:16.16 | eeyore- | paulswm: let me try to recall .... |
| 23:16.18 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 23:16.19 | jetscreamer | man ln |
| 23:16.26 | jetscreamer | the ln -sn is right |
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| 23:16.34 | eeyore- | nevermind, let me try to get the actual text |
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| 23:16.39 | jethro | pingouin_: hello :) |
| 23:16.49 | doub | paulswm: yeah. but i tend to like the qotd80 better, as it's being misled by the stupid machine, not just error |
| 23:17.38 | jethro | !qotd51 |
| 23:17.38 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
| 23:17.43 | paulswm | OK, here's a very good one... |
| 23:17.46 | paulswm | !qotd103 |
| 23:17.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd103 is <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
| 23:17.52 | guestish | hi, im using 2.6.12-rc4 and the w83627thf driver as detected by detect-sensors in lm-sensors, but even through the voltages are accurate, the fan and case temperature is completely wrong, it says my temp and fan RPMS are 0 |
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| 23:18.08 | jetscreamer | rofl@103 |
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| 23:18.15 | jethro | paulswm: good one indeed :) |
| 23:18.17 | paulswm | jetscreamer: :D |
| 23:18.28 | pingouin_ | jethro: hi ;) |
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| 23:19.10 | eeyore- | paulswm: can't find it ... anyhow it went like this ... user was getting frustrated with CUPS and came up with " The unforeseen problems should be documented, that way it's available for future reference" |
| 23:19.27 | eeyore- | paulswm: it was truly a Dilbert Moment (tm) |
| 23:19.32 | jethro | !beer jetscreamer |
| 23:20.12 | jetscreamer | from not drinking for years to drinking every few weeks.. am i becoming a lush again? |
| 23:20.18 | oguz | jetscreamer, ok it seems growisofs works now, thanx |
| 23:20.24 | jetscreamer | np |
| 23:20.25 | oguz | jetscreamer, i am leaving |
| 23:20.29 | jetscreamer | cya |
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| 23:21.23 | jetscreamer | i swear, i got drunk 4 weeks ago and now again? |
| 23:21.28 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 23:21.44 | naoliv | Hi. Today when upgrading dpkg to version 1.10.28 (unstable) I saw this: "After unpacking 532kB of additional disk space will be used." Why the new version will use more space? |
| 23:21.51 | jethro | !irritate yab |
| 23:21.52 | dpkg | yab: HELP ME!!! how can I make my libranet werkz !!!! |
| 23:22.01 | jetscreamer | naoliv: because it's bigger? |
| 23:22.02 | yab | :) |
| 23:22.10 | yab | libranet is for dummies |
| 23:22.15 | jethro | weenies even |
| 23:22.17 | naoliv | jetscreamer, but why it's bigger? |
| 23:22.27 | paulswm | eeyore-: that's good :) |
| 23:22.30 | jetscreamer | naoliv: read the changelog dude |
| 23:22.42 | jetscreamer | or dudette |
| 23:23.17 | naoliv | jetscreamer, I already read. I don't think that two new translations can add 500k... |
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| 23:23.40 | paulswm | PeTeRB: below... |
| 23:23.42 | paulswm | !qotd63 |
| 23:23.42 | dpkg | <gomba> Can anyone help me to solve a light mounting problem? <sussudio> gomba: you turn the bulb |
| 23:23.42 | jetscreamer | go to pdo and dl the older ver and diff em |
| 23:23.54 | PeTeRB | naoliv: How big is your HD? |
| 23:24.04 | Azar | after remove --purge alsa* I see I still have leftover directories and files from it |
| 23:24.06 | PeTeRB | paulswm: That's a good idea. |
| 23:24.07 | jetscreamer | it's the why |
| 23:24.41 | naoliv | PeTeRB, Yes, I know that 500k won't hurt anybody. I just want to know why it's 500k larger... |
| 23:24.59 | jetscreamer | Azar: that would be stuff you might delete if you want if you know you don't want it |
| 23:25.36 | doub | naoliv: you might find localepurge handy |
| 23:25.39 | jetscreamer | s/want/want\/need/ |
| 23:25.49 | jetscreamer | localepurge rox |
| 23:25.58 | PeTeRB | Yes. |
| 23:26.00 | jetscreamer | but fuxors debsums |
| 23:26.01 | j_k | Azar: dpkg -S them. |
| 23:26.01 | Azar | jetscreamer just for figuring out how things work: alsa left behind in /etc, /usr some directories and files, is that normal? should I do a manual hunt-cleanup? |
| 23:26.10 | naoliv | What is the tool that see diffs between packages? |
| 23:26.19 | jetscreamer | Azar: me personally, i would. ymmv. |
| 23:26.21 | doub | naoliv: of course, that won't prevent bandwidth waste. but welcome on earth ;) |
| 23:26.43 | Azar | thanks j_k just for my personal notes what dpkg -S is/does? |
| 23:26.43 | dpkg | Azar: no problem |
| 23:26.53 | j_k | Azar: man dpkg |
| 23:26.57 | paulswm | Azar: man dpkg |
| 23:26.58 | Azar | :P |
| 23:27.03 | Azar | thanks |
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| 23:27.33 | naoliv | doub, Problem is not swpace or bandwidth... I am curious on what have changed... just this... :-) |
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| 23:27.53 | j_k | naoliv: then read the changelog, as mentionned before, in /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 23:27.56 | paulswm | Azar: you can get rid of cofig files and stuff by doing apt0get --purge remove, or, better, aptitude purge |
| 23:28.01 | paulswm | apt-get |
| 23:28.22 | jetscreamer | paulswm: he said after he did a remove --purge |
| 23:28.27 | paulswm | Ah |
| 23:29.18 | jetscreamer | i must purge myself! |
| 23:29.19 | paulswm | aptitude purge is better at cleaning up in my experience |
| 23:29.26 | paulswm | Eeew |
| 23:29.32 | jetscreamer | i am unfit for society! |
| 23:29.43 | jetscreamer | i don't grok screen!!! |
| 23:29.49 | doub | naoliv: if you're not upgrading from the just-older version, there might be a bunch of changes either way |
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| 23:30.09 | naoliv | doub, Right. |
| 23:30.10 | paulswm | jetscreamer: you have one of the best puch lines in the qotds |
| 23:30.15 | paulswm | punch |
| 23:30.18 | FieldySnuts | !medal paulswm |
| 23:30.27 | FieldySnuts | i was looking for "an ass kisser" but ok |
| 23:30.28 | jetscreamer | i was wondering what # it was |
| 23:30.28 | paulswm | :( |
| 23:30.41 | paulswm | !qotd42 |
| 23:30.41 | dpkg | somebody said qotd42 was * ravenbird whips out his power stapler and staples jetscreamer's genitalia to the ground <jetscreamer> musta been a very large staple |
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| 23:30.48 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 23:30.52 | jeff_ | what is a good small memory footprint x window manager |
| 23:31.00 | jetscreamer | icewm |
| 23:31.02 | jetscreamer | others |
| 23:31.03 | FieldySnuts | jeff_: icewm, xfce (not 4) |
| 23:31.14 | FieldySnuts | though xfce4 isn't horrible, it's far far far less than kde or gnome |
| 23:31.15 | kuene | fluxbox |
| 23:31.16 | jeff_ | FieldySnuts, why not v4 |
| 23:31.24 | FieldySnuts | 3 has a smaller footprint |
| 23:31.24 | jetscreamer | flux is pretty |
| 23:31.28 | kuene | jeff_, ion |
| 23:31.29 | rkt | i need help fast! what is this locales thing? I want my system in english only, but i want my strange characters from sweden, eg aao should work! what locales should be used for my requirments? please help me fast! |
| 23:31.35 | FieldySnuts | twm. oh you said good. |
| 23:31.48 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-date |
| 23:31.48 | paulswm | You all have a safe night, off I go |
| 23:31.51 | jetscreamer | err data |
| 23:31.52 | FieldySnuts | apt: start a wm war |
| 23:31.53 | apt | ratpoison is the ONLY wm to use! |
| 23:31.53 | j_k | jeff_: ratpoison ! |
| 23:31.53 | drp | is the newest version of kde available as a .deb |
| 23:31.54 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 23:31.58 | FieldySnuts | wow |
| 23:32.19 | resiak | !topicsmite drp |
| 23:32.20 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon drp. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 23:32.31 | cropalat | anybody know how can i config a X session to do not open a dialog box off screen? |
| 23:32.49 | resiak | cropalat: You what? |
| 23:33.30 | jetscreamer | drp: alioth.debian.org iirc |
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| 23:33.41 | doub | cropalat: a dialog box is a window. a window manager manages windows. maybe you should look at your window manager |
| 23:33.44 | Azar | in 62 minutes not a single word was exchanged at #alsa, my question remained unanswered |
| 23:33.52 | doub | cropalat: even if i didn't get what you want |
| 23:33.55 | FieldySnuts | doesn't mean we know yet |
| 23:33.56 | azeroth | wie mounte ich eine externe platte (USB Karte oder MP3Player)? |
| 23:34.01 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 23:34.02 | jetscreamer | Azar: keep waiting maybe |
| 23:34.02 | fhffhqvb | !dachs azeroth |
| 23:34.03 | dpkg | azeroth: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 23:34.08 | FieldySnuts | fhffhqvb: haha |
| 23:34.09 | jetscreamer | !de |
| 23:34.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 23:34.11 | Azar | jetscreamer :) |
| 23:34.21 | fhffhqvb | meh. kanotix user. |
| 23:34.23 | fhffhqvb | !kanotix |
| 23:34.28 | FieldySnuts | @fuck kanotix |
| 23:34.30 | jetscreamer | kanotix is great |
| 23:34.33 | azeroth | fhffhqvb: du freak |
| 23:34.33 | resiak | Azar: Summarise your problem, please? |
| 23:34.34 | fhffhqvb | nein |
| 23:34.35 | jetscreamer | /join #kanotix |
| 23:34.41 | fhffhqvb | he's already in there |
| 23:34.43 | Azar | azeroth: du beast oder night du beast das ist der fragen |
| 23:34.44 | jetscreamer | o |
| 23:35.06 | resiak | fhffhqvb: Why with the rot13? |
| 23:35.12 | Azar | resiak, you know, I became an alsa terrorist here, I will try to document myself now, before asking |
| 23:35.32 | resiak | Azar: Define "ALSA terrorist" :-) |
| 23:35.33 | azeroth | Azar ich kann nur meine cd-laufwerke und festplatten mounte |
| 23:35.34 | azeroth | n |
| 23:35.44 | FieldySnuts | speak fucking english |
| 23:35.50 | cafuego | jul abg? |
| 23:35.50 | Azar | azeroth I wunsche to know german better |
| 23:35.53 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 23:36.06 | Azar | hehe FieldySnuts |
| 23:36.18 | azeroth | wie mounte ich die denn? |
| 23:36.20 | jetscreamer | Azar: /join #debian-de then, or #kanotix is a gret chan also and bi lingual like that |
| 23:36.28 | Azar | azeroth, you mean you cannot mount your cdrom? |
| 23:36.39 | cropalat | resiak: i use an remote app with X protocol to i/o info. In the unix when someone click in a bottom near of the rigth side, a messagebox open (and this window are all in the screen). When i use a linux box to do it, the messagebox is off screen |
| 23:36.51 | cropalat | resiak: any ideia? |
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| 23:36.53 | azeroth | Azar i can mount my cdrom and hda but not my mp3player |
| 23:36.57 | PeTeRB | Azar: He can only mound his cdrom and disks |
| 23:37.01 | Azar | wow you want to mount me? hahaha |
| 23:37.03 | resiak | cropalat: Sounds like your window manager on the linux box is retarded. What are you using? |
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| 23:37.06 | resiak | !mount Azar |
| 23:37.15 | jetscreamer | you are his mp3palyer? |
| 23:37.15 | azeroth | how can i mount my mp3 player (USB)? |
| 23:37.20 | jetscreamer | pun intended |
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| 23:37.27 | resiak | !tell azeroth -about usb-storage |
| 23:37.27 | jetscreamer | sd1 or so |
| 23:37.28 | cropalat | i try with blackbox , windowMaker and gnome |
| 23:37.39 | Azar | azeroth, I guess you will need to study the usb howto's I have not used usb yet |
| 23:37.50 | cropalat | resiak: i try with blackbox , windowMaker and gnome |
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| 23:38.26 | doub | well, bed time |
| 23:38.27 | resiak | cropalat: I have low opinions of all three of those. TBH I don't know. |
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| 23:38.33 | Azar | good night doub |
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| 23:40.09 | cropalat | resiak: With manager do you think can resolve my problem? |
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| 23:40.32 | hellonoko | hello room. can anyone point me to a IRC where i can ask exploit related questions that i am undertaking legally without being berated? |
| 23:40.41 | resiak | !room |
| 23:40.41 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 23:40.51 | resiak | cropalat: I don't have a clue. Is the resolution of your linux screen lower than that of the unix you usually use? If so, maybe the positioning of the dialog is hard-coded. |
| 23:41.36 | cropalat | the resolution is the same. i use a digital unix |
| 23:41.46 | resiak | cropalat: Speak to the app vendor? |
| 23:41.54 | cafuego | Hmm. cat upside down in toilet, drinking water. |
| 23:42.49 | cropalat | It is a problem, because the support is poor |
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| 23:43.25 | cropalat | resiak: By the way, thanks. any other ideia? |
| 23:43.37 | Azar | haha cafuego |
| 23:43.52 | resiak | cropalat: Nope. |
| 23:43.56 | furrywolf | .whois eeyore- |
| 23:43.58 | furrywolf | grr |
| 23:44.02 | cropalat | resiak: ok |
| 23:44.03 | cafuego | filthy bugger |
| 23:44.14 | furrywolf | eeyore-: it crashed again. blah. |
| 23:45.10 | furrywolf | pulled out my spare NIC, so now the bottom two pci slots are free. will see if it helps at all. |
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| 23:47.12 | bsims | quick question... I have set the icon I want for pan in the dock, but when I minimize it it uses its own icon. How do I change this? |
| 23:47.21 | FieldySnuts | 'the' dock? |
| 23:47.23 | bsims | I am using wmaker |
| 23:47.26 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 23:47.30 | bsims | sorry FieldySnuts |
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| 23:48.03 | bsims | this is a self compiled deb so there is no /usr/lib/menus entry for it... |
| 23:48.54 | bsims | I'm sorry but the default pan icon is just ugly |
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| 23:54.05 | Azar | ok I found a clear Alsa for Debian manual: http://wiki.debian.net/?ALSA |
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| 23:58.33 | nunez | Is E17 stable enough to run? |
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| 23:59.38 | ethics | Azar still cant get alsa to pick up your card? |
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