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| 00:00.21 | cuti | i tried libwxgtk2.4 libwxgtk2.4-dev but it didnt work |
| 00:01.06 | YOLT | wait what GUI thing comes with cd 1 Kde?? |
| 00:01.13 | jim | no |
| 00:01.21 | jim | probably not, that is |
| 00:01.23 | N00b_0N_d3biAn | Does anyone have the time To help a Noob out with a error? Please. |
| 00:01.27 | YOLT | then what? |
| 00:01.30 | smo_ | sorry jim but i m french so it s not so easy to explain right |
| 00:01.31 | dondelelcaro | YOLT: cd1 has whatever packages cd1 has. You install whatever you want to have installed. |
| 00:01.38 | dondelelcaro | N00b_0N_d3biAn: just ask your question, ideally with a better nick. |
| 00:01.40 | jim | !fr |
| 00:01.40 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 00:01.52 | YOLT | but will it give me GUI. like kde or something |
| 00:01.57 | smo_ | frenchs sleep now... |
| 00:02.15 | N00b_0N_d3biAn | heres my problem! Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel moudle is version 1.0.7167, but this Xmodule is version 1.0.7174. |
| 00:02.36 | N00b_0N_d3biAn | i don't know how to make them the same |
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| 00:02.46 | Ronin | YOLT: it will give you a gui of some sort |
| 00:02.53 | cafuego | N00b_0N_d3biAn: Compile a new nvidia kernel module. |
| 00:03.05 | greg | Hey I want to say only want message to one room |
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| 00:03.06 | jim | YOLT: you'll be able to move windows around |
| 00:03.08 | Cenkk | hi |
| 00:03.20 | greg | how do I do ? |
| 00:03.21 | Cenkk | i need sis 900 driver for debian 3.0 |
| 00:03.27 | YOLT | but my graphic card is really uncompatible unless its high end |
| 00:03.33 | N00b_0N_d3biAn | cafuego is there a guide that shows you how to do that? |
| 00:03.53 | YOLT | that page you gave me is for ethernet connection not usb connection |
| 00:03.54 | streuner | Cenkk: in general you need another kernel, just upgrade to sarge |
| 00:03.59 | greg | only one message... |
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| 00:04.23 | Cenkk | streuner don't connect to internet. |
| 00:04.40 | YOLT | zinx: dude its for ethernet not usb |
| 00:04.56 | streuner | Cenkk: Do you have another NIC? |
| 00:04.57 | greg | humm... |
| 00:04.58 | zinx | YOLT: no. the first page i gave you is both, the second is USB specificly |
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| 00:05.07 | cuti | g++: /usr/lib/libwx_gtk_xrc-2.4.so: No such file or directory |
| 00:05.13 | zinx | YOLT: you have to understand, it's a USB ethernet adapter |
| 00:05.17 | cuti | what packages i need? |
| 00:05.19 | Cenkk | streuner no |
| 00:05.20 | streuner | !tell cuti about repeat |
| 00:05.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell N00b_0N_d3biAn -about nvidia-howto |
| 00:05.32 | cuti | streuner, i asked but no one responed |
| 00:05.34 | Cenkk | im using to OS win + deb. |
| 00:05.42 | zinx | YOLT: one which is hardwired to your cablemodem |
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| 00:05.45 | dElAvA | I've got a general nix question for you guys I've been running various LiveCDs and running into the same problems on all but two of them |
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| 00:05.51 | N00b_0N_d3biAn | i found a website thats going to show me on what to do |
| 00:05.59 | N00b_0N_d3biAn | thatnks for the help |
| 00:06.03 | dElAvA | Im having a problem with the resolution when eache LiveCD enters X |
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| 00:06.05 | YOLT | ok the second one is correct thank you |
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| 00:06.20 | dElAvA | Im getting multiple vertical screens |
| 00:06.23 | streuner | Cenkk: well, NIC's are cheap nowadays |
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| 00:06.26 | dElAvA | overlaped |
| 00:06.34 | cafuego | which debian livecd would that be? |
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| 00:06.48 | Ronin | we have a live cd now? cool |
| 00:06.58 | cafuego | Ronin: My point is we don't. |
| 00:06.59 | streuner | no |
| 00:07.01 | dElAvA | Konppix for example but many others |
| 00:07.03 | |XO3| | how do i get information on the version of an installed package? |
| 00:07.08 | cafuego | dElAvA: Wrong channel. |
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| 00:07.26 | streuner | |XO3|: apt-cache, dpkg |
| 00:07.29 | dElAvA | k I'll hop over there |
| 00:07.34 | starscalling | afk for a while pplz |
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| 00:07.54 | streuner | |XO3|: and change your nick, before we get eye-cancer |
| 00:07.56 | Ronin | cafuego: i knew that, actually i did too |
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| 00:09.14 | |XO3| | streuner what do u mean? |
| 00:09.25 | greg | sorry linux people... |
| 00:09.30 | |XO3| | whays wrong with it |
| 00:09.32 | greg | I have to go |
| 00:09.33 | deadcat | its cool. |
| 00:09.55 | streuner | |XO3|: those chars '|' sucks to type |
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| 00:10.41 | greg | Do you kow if debian AMD 64 will be incorporated in debian |
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| 00:10.48 | jim | starscalling: 1, never saw you in a conversation... at least not for the last few hours... 2, /msg dpkg away |
| 00:10.48 | deadcat | ya. so no ones gonna help you |
| 00:10.53 | deadcat | greg: ya. |
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| 00:11.05 | greg | dataw0lf: I'm sorry |
| 00:11.10 | greg | dat: |
| 00:11.14 | Gud | communists |
| 00:11.17 | greg | yes dead cat ? |
| 00:11.21 | starscalling | jim |
| 00:11.23 | starscalling | was a amsg |
| 00:11.27 | bahamonitor | does anyone know a debian alternative to adobe premiere>? |
| 00:11.29 | YOLT | im a communist |
| 00:11.43 | deadcat | bahamonitor: whats premiere do? |
| 00:11.44 | Gud | bahamonitor: cinelerra or something like that |
| 00:11.45 | streuner | Gud: get a clue |
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| 00:11.51 | Gud | YOLT: COMMUNIST |
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| 00:11.54 | Gud | streuner: COMMUNIST |
| 00:11.57 | YOLT | yes |
| 00:12.00 | bahamonitor | adobe premiere is a video editing app |
| 00:12.00 | Gud | sey |
| 00:12.04 | deadcat | Gud: because we dont help you? |
| 00:12.05 | streuner | haha |
| 00:12.06 | Gud | bahamonitor: cinelerra |
| 00:12.07 | bahamonitor | thanks GUD |
| 00:12.14 | deadcat | bahamonitor: ah. |
| 00:12.17 | jim | starscalling: just curious... why would you say you're away if we never saw you here? :) |
| 00:12.19 | Gud | bahamonitor: NO PROBLEM |
| 00:12.19 | greg | dataw0lf: I 'am sorrry |
| 00:12.22 | xiaogil | is there a command line to replace all the 'a' by 'b' in a text file ? |
| 00:12.27 | Gud | bahamonitor: THESE COMMUNISTS ARE EXTREMLY UNHELPFUL |
| 00:12.30 | deadcat | xiaogil: sed |
| 00:12.35 | Gud | LONG LIVE GEORGE BUSHISM |
| 00:12.46 | deadcat | xiaogil: or tr |
| 00:12.49 | streuner | Gud: shut up |
| 00:12.51 | greg | dat:'m sorry (strage automatic completion) |
| 00:12.53 | Ronin | oh crap who let Gud back in |
| 00:12.53 | jim | Gud: your caps lock key stuck? |
| 00:12.58 | Gud | jim: YEAH |
| 00:12.59 | deadcat | Gud: calm down. try #linux |
| 00:13.01 | Ronin | jim: stuck in the 50s too |
| 00:13.09 | xiaogil | deadcat: how to use it ? |
| 00:13.10 | Gud | deadcat: WHY? I DON'T USE LINUX |
| 00:13.13 | Gud | I DON'T LIKE LINUX |
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| 00:13.17 | Gud | I'M HERE TO ANNOY |
| 00:13.17 | cafuego | !ops gud is trolling |
| 00:13.18 | deadcat | xiaogil: man the mother fucker |
| 00:13.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: gud is trolling |
| 00:13.18 | Ronin | @ops Gud is trolling again |
| 00:13.18 | ravenbird_ | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Gud is trolling again |
| 00:13.26 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 00:13.31 | |||||||XO||||||| | streuner is that better? |
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| 00:13.43 | deadcat | streuner: just ignore that fucker. |
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| 00:13.52 | Gud | hey, in the last 5 minutes I'm the only person who's helped anyone XD |
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| 00:13.53 | smacnay | Is the debian kernel source working with the latest nvidia (.debs) drivers in Sarge? |
| 00:14.02 | SpiritDeb | yess |
| 00:14.03 | streuner | deadcat: haha |
| 00:14.12 | cafuego | deadcat: On the weekend they just keep going though, even if ingored they continue on |
| 00:14.16 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 00:14.18 | *** kick/#debian [Gud!foobar@p5481BAC9.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 00:14.19 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@1-2-5-7b.mal.sth.bostream.se] by caphuso |
| 00:14.20 | smacnay | streuner: was that to me? |
| 00:14.23 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 00:14.25 | deadcat | cafuego: ya. )= |
| 00:14.33 | jim | !ops "Gud deadcat: WHY? I DON'T USE LINUX" "Gud I DON'T LIKE LINUX" (~erik@1-2-5-7b.mal.sth.bostream.se): Erik Johnsson |
| 00:14.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: "Gud deadcat: WHY? I DON'T USE LINUX" "Gud I DON'T LIKE LINUX" (~erik@1-2-5-7b.mal.sth.bostream.se): Erik Johnsson |
| 00:14.36 | cafuego | caphuso: !beer |
| 00:15.05 | deadcat | jim: why is my nick there? (= |
| 00:15.23 | cafuego | deadcat: karma? |
| 00:15.25 | jim | deadcat: he addressed you |
| 00:15.26 | caphuso | why is the whole thing there? |
| 00:15.30 | deadcat | jim: oh |
| 00:15.40 | jim | (sorry; I guess I coulda edited that out) |
| 00:15.45 | cafuego | streuner: evening? |
| 00:15.47 | YOLT | i hate friends im so alone and bored |
| 00:15.49 | xiaogil | is it possible to use something like 'for n=1 until n=5, do whatever' in a terminal ? |
| 00:15.53 | streuner | Sa Mai 28 02:15:54 CEST 2005 |
| 00:16.01 | streuner | cafuego: in europe... |
| 00:16.05 | cafuego | streuner: it's only saturday morning here and I know for a fact you're well behind |
| 00:16.09 | deadcat | working on my .muttrc all day. (= |
| 00:16.11 | cafuego | streuner: morning then eh? |
| 00:16.28 | streuner | cafuego: :-) |
| 00:16.33 | jim | xiaogil: yes |
| 00:16.43 | streuner | !fuck cafuego |
| 00:16.43 | xiaogil | how? |
| 00:17.03 | deadcat | xiaogil: you just typed 1/2 of the for, until loop |
| 00:17.07 | jim | try this... |
| 00:17.11 | jim | seq 1 5 |
| 00:17.13 | cafuego | xiaogil: for `seq 1 5`; do whatever; done |
| 00:17.27 | jim | then try... |
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| 00:17.49 | NOTGUD | :@ |
| 00:17.53 | cafuego | xiaogil: Note, you need the 'do' there. Just replace the 'whatever'. |
| 00:17.55 | starscalling | jim |
| 00:18.00 | starscalling | because ppl saw me here |
| 00:18.02 | starscalling | just not you |
| 00:18.03 | deadcat | oh my god. he doesnt know that hes not welcomed here. |
| 00:18.03 | starscalling | >_> |
| 00:18.05 | cafuego | !ops NOTGUD avoiding ban |
| 00:18.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: NOTGUD avoiding ban |
| 00:18.23 | jim | for i in $(seq 1 5); do echo "$i bottles of beer on the wall"; done |
| 00:18.29 | NOTGUD | :( |
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| 00:18.57 | Ronin | must be sad to have that little of a life that trolling is your way to get your rocks off |
| 00:19.00 | cafuego | NOTGUD: Don't troll, then. |
| 00:19.15 | deadcat | cafuego: clearly hes lying about his caplock. (= |
| 00:19.19 | NOTGUD | If You unban me, I promise I won't! |
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| 00:19.29 | streuner | cafuego: /lastlog NOTGUD - he already did :-) |
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| 00:19.52 | cafuego | streuner: far too late |
| 00:19.55 | xiaogil | jim: your command doesn't work in my terminal |
| 00:20.04 | deadcat | xiaogil: bash? |
| 00:20.15 | jim | xiaogil: echo $SHELL |
| 00:20.38 | deadcat | |XO3|: trying to get some attention eh? |
| 00:20.50 | xiaogil | /bin/bash |
| 00:21.07 | jim | xiaogil: does seq 1 5 work? |
| 00:21.12 | deadcat | xiaogil: then it works. you must mis-typed |
| 00:21.14 | xiaogil | yes |
| 00:21.36 | jim | ok, the idea is: we're using the stuff that comes out of seq to control the loop |
| 00:21.44 | xiaogil | deadcat: i copy-pasted it |
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| 00:22.07 | jim | hmm, let me check it; must have mistyped it |
| 00:22.18 | toresbe | for i in $(seq 100 -1 0); do echo -ne "$i bottles of beer on the wall"\!"\n\n$i bottles of beer on the wall, $i bottles of beer... \n\tYou take one down,\n\tyou pass it around\n"; sleep .1s; done |
| 00:22.31 | jim | no, works for me |
| 00:22.37 | xiaogil | ok |
| 00:22.47 | jim | for i in $(seq 1 5); do echo "$i bottles of beer on the wall"; done |
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| 00:23.05 | deadcat | xiaogil: for i in `seq 1 5`; do echo "$i"; done |
| 00:23.19 | xiaogil | i first didn't copy-paste "done", sorry for that... |
| 00:23.28 | deadcat | xiaogil: what i say? |
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| 00:23.52 | xiaogil | deadcat: you were right |
| 00:24.27 | jim | xiaogil: ok... now try this... |
| 00:24.27 | deadcat | xiaogil: we were. |
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| 00:24.31 | jim | for i in wun too tree 4our fivevif; do echo "$i bottles of beer on the wall"; done |
| 00:24.32 | deadcat | any mutt guy hwere using default in their color scheme? it always fail on default, the rest of the colors works fine. |
| 00:24.46 | deadcat | jim: it works for him now |
| 00:24.51 | jim | yes I know |
| 00:24.52 | deadcat | jim: he missed the done |
| 00:24.56 | jim | yes I know |
| 00:24.58 | jim | :) |
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| 00:25.12 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: the Debian /etc/muttrc isn't really the default |
| 00:25.16 | jim | I'm showing him how for works |
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| 00:25.55 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: no. i mean the color default, which should be nothing for the background. |
| 00:26.04 | paxmaster | hello could someone help on using apt-get -t |
| 00:26.12 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: let me screenshot it |
| 00:26.34 | toresbe | nite |
| 00:26.37 | xiaogil | now, can i give a file the name of the variable i ? or even the name : file_name_i ? |
| 00:26.55 | cklennard | paxmaster: whats the problem |
| 00:27.00 | streuner | paxmaster: man apt-get |
| 00:27.02 | xiaogil | (like when creating a file with echo beer > beer.txt) |
| 00:27.20 | paxmaster | i am using kubuntu but i need a package that in debian rep |
| 00:27.41 | scarynetworkguy | paxmaster: Sucks to be you, doesn't it? |
| 00:27.41 | adexta | what do i say to dpkg to get him to tell me how to upgrade my kernel on sarge from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 00:28.14 | jim | adexta: you should be able to just apt-get it |
| 00:28.15 | streuner | adexta: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 and pick one |
| 00:28.27 | adexta | ok |
| 00:28.29 | paxmaster | lol some where i heard that there is a -t option |
| 00:28.32 | adexta | i thought there might have been more to it |
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| 00:29.01 | streuner | paxmaster: #(k)ubuntu |
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| 00:29.17 | Vibrance | I have installed windows on another partition and it rewrote the MBR. I lost my GRUB boot loader and now i cant boot into my Debian Partition. Any ideas? i dont have a boot floppy but i do have the cd |
| 00:29.28 | pack | anyone know a live cd that speaks lvm? |
| 00:29.30 | paxmaster | i went there down know |
| 00:29.30 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:29.41 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20050527_32514.png notice the bg, if i use default, it should be transparent, but since i cant i had to use black on this example. |
| 00:29.43 | adexta | and pentium 2's can use the 686? |
| 00:30.02 | streuner | !686 |
| 00:30.03 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M. |
| 00:30.22 | adexta | yay |
| 00:30.23 | jim | you could use 386 too |
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| 00:31.02 | jim | any *86 can use those, should be any amd too |
| 00:31.04 | Vibrance | ^^ |
| 00:31.22 | Nigel | jim: not "any amd" |
| 00:31.26 | cafuego | not a k5 |
| 00:31.31 | cafuego | k6 and higher |
| 00:31.34 | jim | oh, ok |
| 00:31.44 | Nigel | amd64's have their own kernel, also there is a k7 kernel iirc |
| 00:32.02 | cafuego | Nigel: amd64s run 686 stuff fine, is the point. |
| 00:32.15 | jim | they do? |
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| 00:32.21 | cafuego | jim: yes |
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| 00:32.37 | cafuego | As do the k6 and k7 range CPUs |
| 00:32.38 | jim | do they run 386 stuff too? |
| 00:32.47 | cafuego | yes |
| 00:33.04 | adexta | so now that i've done this, i reboot? |
| 00:33.11 | Nigel | yeah, but isn't the point of promoting the use of the 64bit kernel, to not only make the dev's feel special, but to 'unlock' the extra proformance? |
| 00:33.37 | jim | so a plain ol i386 cd would work fine |
| 00:33.55 | cafuego | Nigel: An amd64 cpu running 32bit code is significatly faster than an identically clocked amd32 cpu. |
| 00:34.19 | YOLT | does someone in here have a life? |
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| 00:34.36 | cafuego | Nigel: There's still some stuff that hasn't been ported to amd64 (w32codecs, wine all won't work on amd64) |
| 00:34.38 | Nigel | YOLT: nope... |
| 00:34.39 | cafuego | !ops YOLT |
| 00:34.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: YOLT |
| 00:35.02 | udf554 | y0 |
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| 00:35.02 | jim | YOLT: ask yourself that... if you can say yes, then the answer is yes :) |
| 00:35.22 | adexta | after apt has finished upgrading the kernel, i should reboot? |
| 00:35.22 | udf554 | any1 here good in C programming and knowledge of DNS ? |
| 00:35.33 | cafuego | udf554: gethostbyaddr() |
| 00:35.58 | Nigel | udf554: #c & #dns ;) |
| 00:35.58 | streuner | dpkg, jim++ |
| 00:35.59 | zinx | cafuego: getaddrinfo/getnameinfo blz. |
| 00:36.19 | udf554 | cool |
| 00:36.37 | cafuego | zinx: system("host -t NS foo.com"); |
| 00:36.37 | jim | udf554: many here qualify. but you should just ask the question |
| 00:36.45 | zinx | cafuego: eww |
| 00:36.51 | cafuego | zinx: *giggle* |
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| 00:37.08 | zinx | cafuego: it's not as bad as Rain's non-blocking DNS script for epic4 |
| 00:37.16 | dondelelcaro | YOLT: let an op know when you have something constructive to contribute. |
| 00:37.45 | udf554 | i?d need a slight hack on an existing software, the DNRD dns daemon. but i?m so bad in c |
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| 00:38.42 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: did you check the screenshot? |
| 00:38.55 | jim | you'd have to get better :) (practicing makes improvement) |
| 00:39.17 | udf554 | i would for sure if i had the code to compare :) |
| 00:39.42 | jim | go thru a tutorial or primer |
| 00:39.56 | Vibrance | How do i boot into my debian system using the Debian install cd? |
| 00:40.08 | Vibrance | windows has overwritten my MBR |
| 00:40.10 | zinx | i can't recommend messing with something like a DNS daemon without being fluent in C and intimately familiar with DNS |
| 00:40.11 | buu | Eh, I was running "configure" and I got this error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.; is there some lib I can install that isn't the entire kde package? |
| 00:40.17 | deadcat | Vibrance: press F2 or F3 for help |
| 00:40.21 | jim | do the exercises, and after each, make a wishlist of what features each program should have |
| 00:40.23 | streuner | Vibrance: and chroot it |
| 00:40.30 | zinx | you'll probably do more harm than good changing anything without the proper knowledge/skill |
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| 00:40.53 | todotuyo_zaratz | pano.org |
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| 00:40.55 | udf554 | thats what i mean, i cannot fsck around on such a program... i?d need a good coder just to make a little change. |
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| 00:41.40 | jim | become a good coder ;) |
| 00:42.05 | udf554 | i am already in my disciplines ;) |
| 00:42.05 | jim | what do you want to do to it? |
| 00:42.13 | furrywolf | zinx: hey, I'm writing a gimp-print driver with no clue what I'm doing. :P |
| 00:42.39 | zinx | furrywolf: that's not anywhere near as vulnerable a spot, though |
| 00:42.52 | buu | Hmph |
| 00:42.56 | buu | What the heck is a kde prefix? |
| 00:43.08 | streuner | buu: why? |
| 00:43.20 | udf554 | dnrd is a caching dns daemon. it get the records requested from the original dns and caches them for the TTL. i want it to get the dns data not from the original dns server, i want it to get this data from a php-script running on another server. |
| 00:43.23 | streuner | buu: what app? |
| 00:43.38 | buu | streuner: kiso |
| 00:43.52 | streuner | buu: and its not in debian? |
| 00:43.58 | buu | streuner: (It converts various image cd formats) |
| 00:44.02 | buu | I don't see it in the package list |
| 00:44.35 | cklennard | udf554: can't you make the script act like a dns server and than let your dns server connect to it? |
| 00:44.36 | jim | udf554: by "I'm in my disciplines" you're saying you don't have the time? |
| 00:44.36 | udf554 | dnrd asks my script "some.sub.domain.xy" - my script answers A/500/127.0.0.1 or CNAME/86400/google.com and dnrd should use this info and cache it |
| 00:44.50 | streuner | buu: ./configure --help - you need to tell where to find the libs |
| 00:45.00 | buu | streuner: Eh, I doubt I have the libs |
| 00:45.04 | udf554 | jim: i take time and discipline to learn but i am not far enough yet |
| 00:45.12 | streuner | buu: how do you know? |
| 00:45.22 | buu | streuner: Which brings me back to my original question, can I just install the kde libs or whatever it wants without getting the entire freaking kde system? |
| 00:45.32 | buu | streuner: Because I've never installed kde? |
| 00:45.42 | udf554 | cklennard, thats what i?m about... |
| 00:45.45 | streuner | buu: that makes sense then... |
| 00:45.47 | jim | udf554: you say that now... but in 6 months you'll be farther :) |
| 00:45.58 | udf554 | dnrd gets normally his data form a dns, but i want dnrd to get it from my php script |
| 00:46.09 | udf554 | but i?m to bad to change this myself |
| 00:46.12 | streuner | buu: well, read the docs for kiso and find out (apt-cache search foo) |
| 00:46.21 | udf554 | jim: i hope so :) |
| 00:46.29 | buu | Hrm actually, dpkg -l lists ii kdelibs4 3.3.2-6 KDE core libraries |
| 00:46.33 | jim | in that case, you will. |
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| 00:46.38 | streuner | buu: of course (kde libs) |
| 00:46.39 | Havoc][ | hello |
| 00:46.49 | mrplum | hi |
| 00:47.00 | streuner | buu: prolly not enough |
| 00:47.07 | Standarshy | hello |
| 00:47.11 | mrplum | hello |
| 00:47.15 | buu | streuner: Eh, so what else do I need? |
| 00:47.21 | Standarshy | Is it true that debian is almost out of money? |
| 00:47.31 | streuner | buu: how should i know? |
| 00:47.39 | jim | ask Branden |
| 00:47.40 | streuner | buu: just read the docs of kiso |
| 00:47.55 | Havoc][ | with stable bf24 netinstall disk. Is it possible to give so a scsi device at boot time? |
| 00:48.05 | jim | what does debian need money for anyway? |
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| 00:48.10 | Havoc][ | i have a adaptec aic 7896. |
| 00:48.16 | buu | streuner: It lacks docs. |
| 00:48.23 | streuner | jim: debconf for example |
| 00:48.45 | streuner | jim: hardware - the list is prolly endless |
| 00:48.46 | jim | you mean to put a conference on itself |
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| 00:49.02 | streuner | jim: to pay DD's to join there... |
| 00:49.35 | streuner | flight, hotel and stuff |
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| 00:49.54 | adexta | after apt has finished upgrading the kernel, i should reboot, right? |
| 00:50.14 | cklennard | adexta: yes |
| 00:50.22 | liable | adexta: only if you want to use it |
| 00:50.23 | streuner | yes - keep an rescue system (CD or floppy) handy... |
| 00:50.27 | jim | yeah, or you can edit your config to make sure you can boot the prev kernel |
| 00:50.40 | hitchhiker|fake | hehe |
| 00:50.43 | liable | adexta: yeah, check menu.lst first |
| 00:50.51 | jim | what rescue system does debian have after bf is gone? |
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| 00:51.00 | udf554 | hmmm y0y0y0y0 see ya all thank you!!! |
| 00:51.02 | hitchhiker|fake | reboot and ... |
| 00:51.24 | streuner | jim: installer-CD's itself? |
| 00:51.30 | Havoc][ | can no one help me? |
| 00:52.06 | jetscreamer | no, noone isn't in the channel |
| 00:52.24 | hitchhiker|fake | :) |
| 00:52.26 | jim | Havoc][: what device do you have on the card? |
| 00:52.30 | xiaogil | is there a bash command to download a file that is on http ? |
| 00:52.42 | jetscreamer | wget xiaogil |
| 00:52.49 | caphuso | xiaogil: no, but you can use wget or curl |
| 00:52.50 | Havoc][ | jim: card? its a onboard scsi controler. |
| 00:52.56 | jim | xiaogil: no... but bash can run external commands (like cat, grep, wget) |
| 00:52.56 | jetscreamer | Havoc][: i don't know the answer sorry |
| 00:53.01 | hitchhiker|fake | xiaogil< wget -c <ox> |
| 00:53.15 | jim | Havoc][: ok, what device is on it? |
| 00:53.29 | jim | on your motherboard? |
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| 00:53.39 | jim | err |
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| 00:53.55 | jetscreamer | onboard or addin card |
| 00:53.57 | jim | this scsi card is on your motherboard rather than being a plugin card? |
| 00:53.58 | hitchhiker|fake | jim<$ errrrrrrrrr |
| 00:54.02 | jetscreamer | what chipset |
| 00:54.08 | jetscreamer | what model |
| 00:54.27 | Havoc][ | jim: its a adaptec aic7896. Kernelmodul is aic7xxx. With old kernel 2.2 he found hdd's. With bf24 he found nothing. |
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| 00:54.46 | Havoc][ | but i need bf24 for reiserfs. |
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| 00:55.04 | jetscreamer | Havoc][: try d-i, but don't do reaiser on woody imo |
| 00:55.06 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 00:55.07 | Vibrance | erm, k i tried root="/dev/hda" and it just displayed kernel image not found when i tried to boot |
| 00:55.21 | jim | warning: reiser is having some problems with occasional total data loss... |
| 00:55.22 | jetscreamer | Vibrance: hda1 |
| 00:55.24 | Havoc][ | jetscreamer: d-i? |
| 00:55.30 | Vibrance | ah |
| 00:55.37 | streuner | !d-i |
| 00:55.38 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 00:55.40 | jetscreamer | Vibrance: boot would be hda perhaps, but can be hda1 if needed |
| 00:55.51 | jim | he's got woody tho, right? |
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| 00:55.57 | jetscreamer | so he siad |
| 00:56.01 | jetscreamer | ai |
| 00:56.10 | jetscreamer | bf24 |
| 00:56.10 | Havoc][ | jim: yes. want to install woody. |
| 00:56.18 | jim | what do you have now? |
| 00:56.18 | jetscreamer | ok so not 'has' |
| 00:56.25 | jim | ok |
| 00:57.01 | Havoc][ | i search a boot parameter like scsi=aic7xxx |
| 00:57.06 | Havoc][ | or something else. |
| 00:57.16 | jim | no I mean what dist are you running right now? |
| 00:57.22 | streuner | Havoc][: get d-i |
| 00:57.37 | jetscreamer | you might pass is hda=scsi or something (i forget exactly) |
| 00:57.38 | xiaogil | when running the bash command : for i in `seq 1 5`; do echo "$i"; done, is it possible for $i to always be a number with three digits for example (like 001, 002...) ? |
| 00:57.41 | Havoc][ | jim: on this machine no dist. |
| 00:57.51 | streuner | Havoc][: and read ig (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 00:57.56 | jetscreamer | Havoc][: why woody specifically |
| 00:58.02 | toresbe | xiaogil: yes |
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| 00:58.07 | jim | Havoc][: let's name "this machine"... |
| 00:58.21 | toresbe | xiaogil: man printf |
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| 00:58.52 | jetscreamer | is there a printg printh printz ? |
| 00:59.05 | jetscreamer | there's a printk is why i ask |
| 00:59.15 | deadcat | hahah. |
| 00:59.21 | jim | the f means "formatted"; the k might mean "kernel's" |
| 00:59.31 | deadcat | krap |
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| 00:59.55 | hitchhiker|fake | deadcat>$ s/krap/crap/ |
| 00:59.56 | Havoc][ | ok thanks. i think i look for d-i |
| 01:00.09 | deadcat | hitchhiker|fake: not if you're german (= |
| 01:00.13 | Vibrance | okay.. i tried root="/dev/hda1" still said kernel not found |
| 01:00.24 | hitchhiker|fake | deadcat>$ :) |
| 01:00.28 | jetscreamer | Havoc][: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
| 01:00.31 | deadcat | Vibrance: is that were your root is? |
| 01:00.36 | xiaogil | toresbe: to me more precise, i need the second $i (this of the text file name) to be a three digits number in for i in `seq 01 05`; do echo "$i" > $i.txt; done, is that possible ? |
| 01:00.41 | Vibrance | its either there or /dev/hda |
| 01:00.44 | toresbe | xiaogil: hmm |
| 01:00.44 | deadcat | hitchhiker|fake: marvin is hella funny (= |
| 01:00.45 | Vibrance | tried both, dont work |
| 01:00.52 | jetscreamer | Vibrance: did you run lilo after you edited? |
| 01:00.59 | toresbe | xiaogil: it's 'sposed to be possible |
| 01:01.00 | jim | do you have partitions other than hda1? |
| 01:01.09 | Vibrance | i cant run lilo, im trying to boot into the system to reinstall it but i dont have the boot floppy |
| 01:01.18 | toresbe | xiaogil: seq -w 001 003 |
| 01:01.34 | jim | Vibrance: you might be able to make yourself a grub floppy |
| 01:01.56 | Vibrance | would if i had a floppy disk or even a drive for that matter :P |
| 01:02.04 | jim | you'd be able to boot just about anything from that; it has a booter shell |
| 01:02.17 | Vibrance | cant i make a grub cd? |
| 01:02.24 | jetscreamer | Vibrance: http://www.sysresccd.org/ http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ unless no cd |
| 01:02.25 | jim | sure |
| 01:02.44 | jetscreamer | Vibrance: you can use the d-i installer disk |
| 01:02.50 | xiaogil | toresbe: it didn't work |
| 01:03.06 | jetscreamer | Vibrance: start the installer, take it all the way up until the partitioner, then shell out and chroot |
| 01:03.08 | toresbe | xiaogil: hm. |
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| 01:05.14 | jim | xiaogil: do you at least understand what the shell's "for" loop does? |
| 01:05.43 | xiaogil | yes i do, thanks a lot jim!! |
| 01:05.50 | deadcat | xiaogil: you need a cheap book |
| 01:06.01 | jim | info bash is just such a book :) |
| 01:06.15 | xiaogil | jim: i'd like to know about while and others now, i don't where to find a man for that |
| 01:06.15 | jim | oreilly's learning the bash shell |
| 01:06.21 | deadcat | jim: hes too lazy (= |
| 01:06.39 | jim | is there a while in bash? |
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| 01:06.45 | deadcat | jim: ya |
| 01:06.54 | deadcat | jim: while true; do echo yes; done |
| 01:07.09 | deadcat | or simply type yes (= |
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| 01:07.20 | jim | no! |
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| 01:07.53 | xiaogil | excellent! |
| 01:08.00 | xiaogil | i wrote it down to |
| 01:08.14 | xiaogil | o |
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| 01:08.30 | jim | xiaogil: so now, do you want to get broader, or more detailed? |
| 01:08.33 | to_ | hi, i've got this message when i am in a console and when i press some keys : "atkbd.c Use `setkeycodes e001 <keycode>' to make it known"..any idea? |
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| 01:10.00 | toresbe | http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/2033216 :) |
| 01:10.04 | xiaogil | jim: of course... but most of all i'd like to knwo how to have three digit number with the command "seq 1 3", "seq -w 001 003" doesn't work |
| 01:10.22 | jim | ok, so while takes a command's exit status |
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| 01:10.50 | adexta | so, my upgrade to the 2.6 kernel broke sound |
| 01:10.56 | jim | for i in $(seq 1 3); do echo "00$i"; done |
| 01:11.08 | jim | ok so I cheated :P |
| 01:11.10 | adexta | it didn't work right out of the box for me |
| 01:11.15 | ThePlateau | is the sarge netinstall reliable? |
| 01:11.20 | adexta | before, the command that made it work was "apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386" |
| 01:11.23 | adexta | ThePlateau: yes. |
| 01:11.32 | ThePlateau | thats great |
| 01:11.32 | adexta | as long as you can boot from the CD, you'll be fine |
| 01:11.35 | adexta | choose the MIT mirror |
| 01:11.38 | adexta | it works great for me |
| 01:11.39 | ThePlateau | its only 30 mb |
| 01:11.41 | jim | ThePlateau: pretty much so, yes... worked every time I tried it |
| 01:12.04 | adexta | i suggest you upgrade your kernel to 2.6 right after you get it |
| 01:12.12 | ThePlateau | i read that |
| 01:12.14 | jim | ThePlateau: heh, you can do it from 2 floppies and get the same result if you have a nice fat inet connection it supports |
| 01:12.17 | adexta | so you don't have everything working to begin with |
| 01:12.23 | xiaogil | jim: yes, you cheated...;) |
| 01:12.24 | ThePlateau | my floppy drive doesnt work, lol |
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| 01:12.33 | adexta | i don't have a floppy drive |
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| 01:12.43 | ThePlateau | but is this the right one, sarge-i386-businesscard? |
| 01:12.50 | jim | sure |
| 01:13.19 | jim | I never seen that one... but: it ought to work on any intel box |
| 01:13.32 | jim | and most amds |
| 01:13.53 | buu | Bah. How do I get gmake on debian? |
| 01:14.02 | jim | you already have it. |
| 01:14.08 | jim | it's called make. |
| 01:14.10 | buu | oh |
| 01:14.18 | buu | configure: error: Either set MAKE variable to GNU make or use |
| 01:14.19 | jim | gmake is GNU make |
| 01:14.23 | buu | This is confusing the hell out of me. |
| 01:14.32 | xiaogil | toresbe: would you have another solution working better than the command "seq -w 001 003" ? |
| 01:14.35 | jim | oh, wait, you have to install it |
| 01:14.47 | jim | apt-get install make |
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| 01:15.00 | jim | but apt-get install build-essential probably |
| 01:15.12 | buu | jim: Yeah, did that. Now I'm trying to install this stupid piece of crap library |
| 01:15.17 | adexta | sound doesn't work for me now that i've upgraded to 2.6; i get a message stating that artsplay "cannot connect to sound server" |
| 01:15.19 | jim | which will give you make AND a compile |
| 01:15.20 | jim | r |
| 01:15.31 | fhffhqvb | !worked in 2.4 |
| 01:15.31 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 01:15.37 | adexta | fuck |
| 01:15.44 | toresbe | xiaogil: nope |
| 01:15.54 | buu | jim: Yeah. |
| 01:16.02 | adexta | am I on my own for this one then? |
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| 01:16.43 | jim | adexta: not really... but know that it's not impossible to get sound going... is it really needed right NOW? |
| 01:17.06 | jim | or can you get along without it for a few mins/days? |
| 01:17.16 | adexta | i can get along for a few mins/days |
| 01:17.22 | adexta | but it annoys the hell out of me |
| 01:17.28 | adexta | and the people i talk to on aim |
| 01:17.39 | deadcat | theres a fucking bot in this channel that records all urls and i hate it. |
| 01:17.42 | adexta | because i only jumb back to desktop 3 whenever i hear the chime in my headphones |
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| 01:18.10 | jim | #openacs has a nice blogbot |
| 01:18.17 | mrplum | adexta, check the arts settings in the config menus, make sure artsd is running, make sure you've configured alsa |
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| 01:18.33 | adexta | i get a message saying arts can't connect to sound server |
| 01:18.36 | jim | it only records the urls it's told to record |
| 01:18.53 | mrplum | adexta, because artsd isn't running |
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| 01:19.04 | adexta | what's the command to start arts? |
| 01:19.11 | jim | starts? |
| 01:19.18 | jim | no, that's not it :) |
| 01:19.20 | mrplum | adexta, you can try typing artsd at the console to see if it shows you some error messages |
| 01:19.32 | mrplum | but you probably can fiddle in KDE's config menus for sound and get something |
| 01:19.34 | adexta | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 01:19.34 | adexta | device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or directory) |
| 01:19.51 | jim | mmm, oss sound driver? |
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| 01:19.57 | jim | riro |
| 01:20.04 | adexta | uh, i am not sure |
| 01:20.24 | jim | ok, well how did you get your sound goign before? |
| 01:20.36 | jim | or, better, |
| 01:20.40 | mrplum | adexta, type apt-get install alsa-oss |
| 01:20.43 | mrplum | see if that helps |
| 01:20.44 | jim | what sound card you got? |
| 01:20.47 | adexta | i got it to work before with this: |
| 01:20.48 | adexta | "apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386" |
| 01:20.57 | jim | ohh... it is alsa |
| 01:20.59 | adexta | it's an old sound car |
| 01:21.04 | adexta | d; i have a PII |
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| 01:21.19 | jim | alsa modules got moved into 2.6 kernels |
| 01:21.34 | adexta | jim: where? |
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| 01:21.48 | adexta | i'm installing alsa-oss |
| 01:21.51 | jim | you're the one that installed the kernel image right? |
| 01:21.52 | adexta | i'll see if that helps |
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| 01:22.07 | adexta | yeah |
| 01:22.20 | mrplum | adexta, but if you had looked in the kde config and changed the artsd settings to ALSA it may have worked without that |
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| 01:22.31 | adexta | where's KDE config? |
| 01:22.46 | adexta | dpkg-reconfigure kde? |
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| 01:23.02 | mrplum | *sigh* I don't know |
| 01:23.03 | jim | !ops * fuckme (~fuck@85.86.33.29) did "join, advertise, leave" as a different nick before |
| 01:23.04 | khanman | think its called kdmrc forget the path to it |
| 01:23.04 | mrplum | I use GNOME |
| 01:23.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: * fuckme (~fuck@85.86.33.29) did "join, advertise, leave" as a different nick before |
| 01:23.17 | mrplum | PRogram system settings : config |
| 01:23.26 | adexta | lol, i was just informed the KDE is not installed |
| 01:23.30 | mrplum | or system tools : config, or something like that. it's not hidden, it's in the menus |
| 01:23.31 | adexta | this doesn't bode well for teh future |
| 01:23.36 | khanman | /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc |
| 01:23.49 | jim | adexta: you can get kde if you want it pretty easy |
| 01:23.57 | absrtactfetus | i am having problems with the way firefox formats pages. for example, mindsay.com is skinnyer than it should be. does any one know how to mess with with the way firefox formats pages? |
| 01:24.00 | adexta | i'm running it at the moment |
| 01:24.16 | adexta | i was just informed that i wasn't, that's all |
| 01:24.16 | mrplum | Adexta: look in your menus for the config app |
| 01:24.19 | bohan` | hi, is it possible to exclude directories with the rsync command or does it only exclude files? |
| 01:24.22 | adexta | mrplum: i will |
| 01:24.27 | jim | if you're in the process of changing over to debian, it's going to take awhile to take in all the new stuff |
| 01:24.54 | adexta | i used sarge 2.4 for about 2 months now |
| 01:25.01 | jim | bohan`: I think you can exclude paths |
| 01:25.14 | jim | adexta: oh, ok... |
| 01:25.19 | absrtactfetus | i want to change the way firefox formats pages so they take up the whole browser window instead of leaving blank spots on either side. |
| 01:25.28 | absrtactfetus | does anyone know how to do this? |
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| 01:26.11 | jim | absrtactfetus: if it's not in the preferences dialog, I guess you'd have to alter its source and recompile :) |
| 01:26.31 | absrtactfetus | jim: damn, that sucks |
| 01:27.04 | jim | that's likely to be deeeep in the rendering engine too |
| 01:27.25 | Nethox | jim: have you searched for it in about:config? |
| 01:27.44 | jim | maybe the web page you're looking at is doing it |
| 01:27.48 | bohan` | absrtactfetus, isn't the "bug" more in the persons who did the design of the web sites |
| 01:28.29 | jim | absrtactfetus: <Nethox> jim: have you searched for it in about:config? |
| 01:28.48 | bohan` | absrtactfetus, this is annoying me aswell when i see sites that have a restricted width of say 750px while most people have larger windows |
| 01:29.02 | tga | absrtactfetus: take a look at GreaseMonkey |
| 01:29.06 | Nethox | jim: thanks and sorry ;) |
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| 01:29.11 | tga | absrtactfetus: you can write a script to change the look of that particular web page |
| 01:29.15 | jim | Nethox: np |
| 01:29.25 | resiak | absrtactfetus: Use GreaseMonkey to rewrite their CSS. Alternatively, write to the fucking moron website authors. |
| 01:29.28 | tga | absrtactfetus: http://greasemonkey.mozdev.org/ |
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| 01:30.46 | tga | let me guess.. w3m? |
| 01:30.59 | jim | adexta: so what sound card yue got? |
| 01:31.42 | adexta | i don't know |
| 01:31.48 | adexta | it's integrated into my mobo |
| 01:31.52 | adexta | and i'ts a PII 400 MHz |
| 01:32.00 | adexta | yes, i know it's old |
| 01:32.08 | jim | do you know the exact model of the mobo |
| 01:32.12 | jim | old can be good |
| 01:32.18 | tga | adexta: lspci |grep -i audio |
| 01:32.20 | jim | means could be well-supported |
| 01:33.04 | adexta | the sticker on the back says "model number DCM |
| 01:33.21 | adexta | it worked in suse with 2.6, so i know that it is supported somewhere |
| 01:35.31 | buu | Hrm. if do: head -1 on my foo.mdf, I get: "EASY CD CREATOR 5.1 (050) COPYRIGHT (C) 1999-2001 ROXIO, INC.". |
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| 01:36.28 | seto_ | hi |
| 01:37.43 | liable | hola |
| 01:37.55 | adexta | tga: i get nothing with lspci |grep -i audio |
| 01:38.27 | jetscreamer | howzabout i810 |
| 01:38.38 | jim | adexta: take off the | grep ... and see what you can see |
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| 01:39.37 | VoX | what server modules do i want to XF86 to load? |
| 01:39.39 | jetscreamer | woody? |
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| 01:41.11 | liable | shesh, rude nick |
| 01:41.13 | tga | adexta: you should have something like 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link |
| 01:41.20 | tga | adexta: not this particular card of course |
| 01:41.34 | jim | or unknown device |
| 01:41.39 | tga | ah, true |
| 01:42.23 | seto_ | somebody here has test g4u , is it better than symantec ghost ? |
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| 01:42.26 | tga | or nothing if the card is disabled from the bios |
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| 01:42.42 | tga | seto_: I never used ghost.. g4u works for me |
| 01:43.04 | tga | seto_: I only dumped my system partition on a ftp, no splitting into volumes or bootable cds or any fancy stuff |
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| 01:43.41 | Tired_ | where can I find out how an old bug was resolved? |
| 01:43.48 | seto_ | ok thx, I would try g4u , it's for ghost 20 computer , how many time it can take ? |
| 01:43.59 | Tired_ | i can find the bug report, but not the fix (241630) |
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| 01:44.45 | mrplum | Tired_, usually there are messages attached to the bug report |
| 01:44.51 | mrplum | and a reason it was closed |
| 01:45.27 | Tired_ | none that I could find |
| 01:45.30 | tga | seto_: depends on your machines and network |
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| 01:45.34 | Tired_ | all i found was the list post |
| 01:45.43 | mrplum | Tired_, what's the bug ? |
| 01:45.51 | Tired_ | it may not even be closed, but it was reported over a year ago |
| 01:45.54 | seto_ | 30 go per machine , 10/100 network card |
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| 01:46.08 | Tired_ | debian won't boot on Dell Precision 610 |
| 01:46.16 | Tired_ | bug 241360 |
| 01:46.32 | Tired_ | er 241630 |
| 01:46.34 | tga | seto_: quite a while then |
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| 01:46.47 | tga | seto_: just try it on one machine and multiply by 20 |
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| 01:47.08 | seto_ | ok, thx I try this tomorow :D |
| 01:47.14 | |flamesr| | does anyone know the command to increase volume by a unit (w/o a specific mixer)? I'm trying to add a keybinding |
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| 01:47.25 | Strath | is there a way to use the /var/cache/apt/archives/ of one machine as a source for installing on another machine? (burned to a cd maybe?) |
| 01:47.35 | mos__ | |flamesr|: alsactrl |
| 01:47.46 | |flamesr| | tx |
| 01:48.12 | VoX | when configuring xf86, which modules do i want it to load? GLcore and what else? |
| 01:48.57 | liable | Strath: apt-zip |
| 01:48.58 | Tired_ | oh, it's still unfixed :( |
| 01:49.20 | Tired_ | thanks anyways |
| 01:49.22 | Tired_ | :/ |
| 01:49.43 | mos__ | anyone here familiar with creating deb packages? ive been tricked into making debs for afterstep... |
| 01:49.50 | liable | Tired_: does the woody cd work? |
| 01:50.15 | Tired_ | no debian kernel gets past Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel |
| 01:50.28 | liable | that sucks |
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| 01:50.42 | mos__ | Tired_: ouch |
| 01:50.54 | Strath | thx liable, i'll try that :) |
| 01:51.02 | Tired_ | including Knoppix and Ubuntu live cds |
| 01:51.30 | mos__ | Tired_: any other distros work? |
| 01:51.35 | Tired_ | yes |
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| 01:51.40 | Tired_ | gentoo works fine |
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| 01:51.53 | Tired_ | and mandrake live cd |
| 01:52.26 | Tired_ | seems to only be debian based distros |
| 01:52.35 | liable | wonder if you could make a boot cd with a non debian kernel image on it, and if it would work |
| 01:52.38 | mos__ | i wonder what the kernel issue is then |
| 01:52.44 | resiak | Tired_: So report a bug? |
| 01:52.44 | xiaogil | How to use a command line like sed or tr to make a simple replacement in a file like : "sed myfile.txt s/'abc'/'def'", i can't find the exact syntax... |
| 01:52.48 | BoD_SWAT | Can someone tell me how to uninstall a self-build vsftpd? (I get "make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop." ) |
| 01:52.52 | resiak | BoD_SWAT: man sex |
| 01:52.58 | Tired_ | resiak -> it's been open for over a year |
| 01:53.05 | resiak | BoD_SWAT: man sed; less /usr/share/doc/sed/* |
| 01:53.07 | Tired_ | reported april 04 |
| 01:53.12 | mos__ | resiak: that sounds so dirty |
| 01:53.21 | BoD_SWAT | resiak, wtf? |
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| 01:53.47 | liable | haha typo and wrong nick :) |
| 01:54.19 | resiak | BoD_SWAT: sorry. |
| 01:54.31 | resiak | xiaogil: man sed; less /usr/share/doc/sed/* |
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| 01:54.56 | tga | xiaogil: sed -e 's/abc/def/' foo.txt > bar.txt |
| 01:55.05 | BoD_SWAT | resiak, no worries. I can take a joke :-P |
| 01:55.18 | tga | xiaogil: sed -e 's/abc/def/g' foo.txt > bar.txt rather |
| 01:55.29 | liable | :) |
| 01:55.33 | mos__ | is there a less complicated version, or a how-to, of the debian-policy anywhere? |
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| 01:56.23 | resiak | liable: The fact that my fingers are confused because of trying to learn Dvorak? ;-) |
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| 01:57.06 | liable | sure, sure :) |
| 01:57.14 | mos__ | i dont see the need for dvorak when you already know qwerty |
| 01:57.17 | BoD_SWAT | resiak, Dvorak, why and how's it going? :P |
| 01:57.28 | xiaogil | tga: thanks a lot!! |
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| 01:59.04 | noneother | well the net install is runnning |
| 01:59.35 | tga | xiaogil: np, man sed for more goodiness |
| 01:59.45 | noneother | (have another computer n here for backing up) |
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| 02:00.11 | resiak | BoD_SWAT: Why not, and I've given up for the 5th time or something. WRT your actual question, you'll have to either examine the Makefile to see what it installed or go moan at the makefile's author. |
| 02:00.22 | kjparker | hi, is there an easy way to import my outlook express information, into evolution? |
| 02:01.18 | BoD_SWAT | resiak, thnx and good luck :D |
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| 02:02.51 | tga | kjparker: I don't know about Evolution but Thunderbird might be able to import Outofluk info into standard mailbox files |
| 02:03.10 | noneother | wow i burnt that netinstall cd and am done with it in 10 minutes |
| 02:03.39 | noneother | oh christ |
| 02:03.45 | noneother | kernel panic |
| 02:03.55 | tga | omg! run!!1 |
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| 02:04.15 | Tired_ | is that when you burn your popcorn? |
| 02:04.36 | jim | that would be multiple kernel panics |
| 02:04.44 | Tired_ | ah |
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| 02:09.15 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 02:10.54 | liable | excuse me? |
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| 02:11.30 | mrplum | there's no excuse for you |
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| 02:13.22 | mrplum | I wanted to install Debian onto reiser4 partitions, anyone have some suggestions of how to go about it |
| 02:13.37 | mrplum | Could I partion and format before setup, then load the reiser4 module somehow into the setup kernel |
| 02:13.41 | resiak | mrplum: "Not to"? |
| 02:13.52 | Guerin | mrplum: you'd need a custom install kernel, i believe. |
| 02:13.54 | resiak | mrplum: Make a custom d-i disk with a reiser4 kernel? |
| 02:14.01 | resiak | Guerin: Evening. |
| 02:14.11 | Guerin | but why you'd want to use ricer4 is beyondme |
| 02:14.20 | Guerin | resiak: g'day mite :) |
| 02:14.30 | mrplum | d-i = debian installer I gather. Is there a tool that does that, or do I arrange things by hand |
| 02:14.31 | streuner | damn hot in .de |
| 02:14.34 | zinx | mrplum: i suggest using ext3 instead |
| 02:14.38 | Guerin | !custom d-i |
| 02:14.38 | dpkg | methinks custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 02:14.49 | kjparker | how do i find out what programs depend on mozilla? i want to remove mozilla, and just use firefox, but iirc last time i did that it removed a whole bunch of packages that i actualy wanted... |
| 02:14.58 | jim | you could start with a tiny debian, like just the base, and have a /boot partition at the beginning of the drive, then all unpartitioned space, then the (temporary) / partition at the end of the drive |
| 02:15.14 | jim | then install a kernel that has reiser4 |
| 02:15.17 | jim | reboot into it |
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| 02:15.22 | cafuego | mrplum: if you go with ricer4, also make sure to use RAID0 on a sil3112 chip |
| 02:15.35 | Guerin | kjparker: apt-cache rdepends |
| 02:15.37 | cafuego | That way the chances of losing all your data are doubled again |
| 02:15.40 | mrplum | heh ricer4? is that some kind of pun |
| 02:15.45 | Guerin | yes |
| 02:15.46 | resiak | !ricer |
| 02:15.46 | dpkg | from memory, ricer is at gentoo |
| 02:15.50 | mrplum | hehe |
| 02:15.52 | jim | create first a / partition, copy it down, set the default /, reboot |
| 02:15.56 | Guerin | !ricerfs |
| 02:15.56 | dpkg | well, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 02:16.05 | cafuego | mrplum: Yes. The reason is that reiserfs v4 is supposed to be fast, but is highly unstable. |
| 02:16.07 | jim | then delete the temporary / at the end of the drive |
| 02:16.07 | kjparker | lol |
| 02:16.11 | jim | and continue from there |
| 02:16.31 | Guerin | jim's plan is decent, probably less pain than a custm d-i |
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| 02:16.50 | cafuego | Guerin: zinx's plan is FAR better. |
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| 02:17.06 | Guerin | cafuego: agreed. |
| 02:17.17 | jim | it can work, and if you can find a kernel image that has reiser4, you don't need to make the temp / any bigger than what's needed for the base |
| 02:17.28 | cafuego | mrplum: When you come back in 2 weeks and complain all data is gone, we will NOT help ;-) |
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| 02:17.57 | jim | what help would there be if he lost all the data? |
| 02:17.59 | mrplum | heh yea. no problem |
| 02:18.10 | kjparker | so if i go apt-cache rdepends mozilla and i can live without those packages, it's all good right? |
| 02:18.28 | Guerin | kjparker: you just answered your own question. |
| 02:18.38 | kjparker | just making sure! :) |
| 02:18.40 | jim | it's all good anyway :) |
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| 02:18.56 | cafuego | jim: Normally people join #debian and just start flaming/trolling when we point out we told them to not use $FSTYPE because this would happen and that they should use their backup. |
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| 02:19.24 | cafuego | jim: Something about "you all suck i don't need backups gentoo is nicer fuck you i'm leaving" |
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| 02:19.51 | Strath | not quite what i was hoping for liable, unless i am not understanding apt-zip's usage. i just want to take any .deb that are already downloaded and make them availible to setup on a new machine (rather than outdated packages on the install CDs) would either apt-move or apt-cache be better choices? |
| 02:19.52 | muaddib | I am not sure if this is the appropriate channel to ask this question, but I think myu issue has do with the kernel so here goes. I have a system with kernel 2.6.9. For some reason when I try to transfer ISO images (average size between 250-650) to the system. When I start the transfer network throuput is as expected averging 7.2mbit but then every 10 seconds it will gradual decrese until the machine (the server I am copying to) freezes a |
| 02:19.52 | Guerin | and then /quit FUX0RZ!!!!@ |
| 02:19.55 | muaddib | Has anyone experienced this problem |
| 02:19.55 | jim | and they say "bachups? wee don neeed no steenkeen bachups" |
| 02:20.01 | Sora_Aoi | help!! why is my hdd size decreasing every time i type free? |
| 02:20.25 | Guerin | it isn't |
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| 02:20.28 | caphuso | Sora_Aoi: what makes you think it is? |
| 02:20.36 | furrywolf | free doesn't show hdd size, for one... |
| 02:20.39 | Sora_Aoi | first i have 2gb written |
| 02:20.43 | Sora_Aoi | then it decrease to 1.5 |
| 02:20.44 | Sora_Aoi | then 1 |
| 02:20.46 | jim | muaddib: ending sentences before you complete them makes for fun reading :) |
| 02:20.46 | Sora_Aoi | now left 500 |
| 02:21.00 | Sora_Aoi | now left 200mb |
| 02:21.01 | Guerin | Sora_Aoi: paste what you think is the problem to a httpd |
| 02:21.15 | Sora_Aoi | what u mean? |
| 02:21.17 | cafuego | whoops |
| 02:21.21 | Guerin | but first type 'man free' |
| 02:21.28 | furrywolf | guerin: it's not worth it. :) |
| 02:21.30 | Guerin | !paster |
| 02:21.30 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 02:21.42 | Guerin | furrywolf: speaking from long, hard experience, I take it? |
| 02:21.52 | Sora_Aoi | Unknown HZ value! (90) Assume 100. |
| 02:21.52 | Sora_Aoi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.52 | Sora_Aoi | Mem: 10281664 9957204 324460 0 1707096 4293524 |
| 02:21.52 | Sora_Aoi | -/+ buffers/cache: 3956584 6325080 |
| 02:21.52 | Sora_Aoi | Swap: 0 0 0 |
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| 02:21.56 | muaddib | jlm: Sorry :) |
| 02:21.57 | Guerin | oh christ |
| 02:22.00 | furrywolf | what did I say? :) |
| 02:22.00 | resiak | You fool. |
| 02:22.04 | Guerin | Sora_Aoi: you fucking imbecile |
| 02:22.06 | Sora_Aoi | see it's decreasing lol |
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| 02:22.21 | caphuso | Sora_Aoi: that's RAM. not disk space |
| 02:22.24 | Guerin | !tell Sora_Aoi about free ram |
| 02:22.28 | jim | muaddib: not a problem... it scrolled by before I was able to finish reading it anyway... |
| 02:22.58 | jim | but you didn't say it yet... |
| 02:23.00 | _paxmaster | hi there i am planning to install window on my first partition and i have linux my second part |
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| 02:23.12 | Guerin | _paxmaster: thanks for sharing. |
| 02:23.16 | resiak | !tell _paxmaster -about enter |
| 02:23.23 | resiak | # pre-emptive. |
| 02:23.31 | jim | put a 30 mb partition (for /boot) at the beginning of the drive |
| 02:23.33 | Sora_Aoi | oh that's ram huh |
| 02:23.43 | jim | Sora_Aoi: yep |
| 02:23.53 | Sora_Aoi | 9.805359 |
| 02:23.58 | Sora_Aoi | i dont think it's the ram |
| 02:24.15 | Sora_Aoi | it doesnt tally up to 128 |
| 02:24.16 | jim | is that 3pi? |
| 02:24.16 | TwistedEmotions | resiak and Guerin in the same room... Unsuspecting retards are going to be hurt. |
| 02:24.21 | Guerin | Sora_Aoi: free *ONLY* reports ram and swap usage |
| 02:24.26 | resiak | Sora_Aoi: man free # Trust us. |
| 02:24.29 | muaddib | jlm: any thoughts to my issue |
| 02:24.32 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you here numb nuts? |
| 02:24.40 | Sora_Aoi | Guerin, then what command for hdd? |
| 02:24.45 | Guerin | Sora_Aoi: df |
| 02:24.45 | resiak | Sora_Aoi: man df |
| 02:24.47 | jim | Sora_Aoi: evidently you didn't read the man page when asked to |
| 02:24.48 | Sora_Aoi | ok |
| 02:24.49 | resiak | Sora_Aoi: man du |
| 02:24.56 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what up g. |
| 02:24.57 | jim | kat man du? |
| 02:25.00 | Sora_Aoi | oh it's df |
| 02:25.02 | Sora_Aoi | ok thanks |
| 02:25.35 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: damn. was working on my .muttrc all day. (= |
| 02:25.40 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: leaving for two weeks... still no word from the laptop chick ;P I think she refused my offer |
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| 02:25.51 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: .muttrc? |
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| 02:25.55 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: what you offer (= |
| 02:25.58 | Guerin | tazle: make her one she can't refuse |
| 02:26.05 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: ^^^ |
| 02:26.10 | jim | TwistedEmotions: when she asked for a laptop you tried to sit on her lap? |
| 02:26.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: 110... and I told her I would have sex with her for the discount |
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| 02:26.38 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: she wont gimme her house address. |
| 02:26.50 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. |
| 02:27.00 | jim | then you don't have enough rapport, and probably not enough attraction |
| 02:27.03 | deadcat | furrywolf: for no reason? (= |
| 02:27.03 | Sora_Aoi | Guerin, will freeing the memory |
| 02:27.05 | Sora_Aoi | do any damage? |
| 02:27.08 | Strath | anyone else have a suggestion for how to do what i asked? :) |
| 02:27.10 | Sora_Aoi | to any process accessing files? |
| 02:27.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Was worth a try ;( |
| 02:27.31 | jim | Sora_Aoi: I don't think you can do that... |
| 02:27.44 | furrywolf | jim: he's talking about deleting files in use |
| 02:27.53 | jim | oh |
| 02:27.59 | Sora_Aoi | i just deleted about 2gb of file using rm |
| 02:28.02 | Guerin | Sora_Aoi: the memory is free. |
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| 02:28.05 | Sora_Aoi | maybe that's the problem? |
| 02:28.07 | furrywolf | at least, that's the only explanation that wouldn't make him sound insane... |
| 02:28.08 | TwistedEmotions | Sora_Aoi: Why? |
| 02:28.11 | Guerin | !tell Sora_Aoi about free ram |
| 02:28.18 | Sora_Aoi | Guerin what's that for? |
| 02:28.24 | jim | Sora_Aoi: umm... where were these files you deleted? |
| 02:28.25 | Guerin | jesusfuckingchrist |
| 02:28.32 | Guerin | it's for READING you fuckwit |
| 02:28.37 | Guerin | READ it |
| 02:28.37 | Sora_Aoi | jim, from /var/www |
| 02:28.42 | Sora_Aoi | Guerin i didnt receive anything |
| 02:28.48 | jim | oh, so files you probably put there |
| 02:28.59 | EvanCarroll | what is this reading you speak of. |
| 02:29.01 | TwistedEmotions | !freeram |
| 02:29.05 | TwistedEmotions | !free ram |
| 02:29.05 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 02:29.06 | liable | haha |
| 02:29.08 | TwistedEmotions | there |
| 02:29.09 | cafuego | How would deleting files from disk free ram? Why would ram need to be free? |
| 02:29.23 | Sora_Aoi | good question |
| 02:29.27 | useruser | cafuego: don't you go oppressing my ram |
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| 02:29.31 | jim | at least you didn't do something as majorly destructive as arrremmm -arr -eff /usr |
| 02:29.34 | initech | cafuego: ram wants to be free |
| 02:29.41 | cafuego | useruser: I'm not oppressing it, slaves have no liberties. |
| 02:29.48 | Sora_Aoi | for some reason, my ram usage is decreasingn faster than u can eat ur food |
| 02:29.49 | jim | but it turns out to be expensive |
| 02:29.58 | TwistedEmotions | Sora_Aoi: Why are you deleting files? You know on a linux system it won't speed you up for shit... this ISNT windows... |
| 02:29.59 | resiak | Sora_Aoi: But is your computer suffering for that? |
| 02:29.59 | Guerin | ok, this is so stupid it's sick |
| 02:30.02 | Guerin | host mx5.hanmail.net[211.43.197.11] said: 553 5.5.4 Host |
| 02:30.02 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.03 | cafuego | !ur |
| 02:30.03 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 02:30.06 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:30.16 | Sora_Aoi | resiak erm no |
| 02:30.18 | Sora_Aoi | dont think so |
| 02:30.19 | jim | cafuego: that depends on how the masters treat them... US and england were fucked up |
| 02:30.21 | Guerin | someone do 'host feayn.org' and tell me that the name doesn't match the ip |
| 02:30.23 | resiak | Sora_Aoi: So what's the problem? |
| 02:30.27 | furrywolf | guerin: convinced yet when I said it wasn't worth trying to help him? :) |
| 02:30.32 | Sora_Aoi | i dont like small numbers :D |
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| 02:30.36 | Guerin | furrywolf: oh yeah. |
| 02:30.37 | resiak | Sora_Aoi: .. |
| 02:30.40 | Sora_Aoi | ok since it's nothing like u say, then nvm then |
| 02:30.42 | Sora_Aoi | thanks for help |
| 02:30.42 | jim | but south america treated them better |
| 02:30.45 | cafuego | feayn.org has address 206.123.107.15 |
| 02:30.55 | Guerin | cafuego: exactly. |
| 02:30.59 | bob2 | Guerin: forwards and reverse for me |
| 02:31.00 | cafuego | Guerin: Now do 'host 206.123.107.15' |
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| 02:31.06 | TwistedEmotions | EXACTLY |
| 02:31.13 | TwistedEmotions | host 206.123.107.15 |
| 02:31.18 | TwistedEmotions | nothing. |
| 02:31.22 | resiak | Guerin: How did you manage that? |
| 02:31.26 | Guerin | cafuego: it's set up properly. |
| 02:31.26 | cafuego | 15.107.123.206.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer feayn.org. |
| 02:31.30 | bob2 | 15.107.123.206.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer feayn.org. |
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| 02:31.49 | cafuego | Guerin: Does mx5.hanmail.net have a broken DNS by any chance? or a cached entry? |
| 02:31.54 | Guerin | i sent mail to a friend@hanmail.net and got this as my failure message |
| 02:32.05 | TwistedEmotions | Sounds like a DNS problem. |
| 02:32.07 | jim | hanmail.net is a major spam source |
| 02:32.12 | bob2 | hanmail sounds like one of those isps that hammer me with spam |
| 02:32.16 | bob2 | hah |
| 02:32.18 | Guerin | yeah, exactly |
| 02:32.22 | useruser | han = chinese, no? |
| 02:32.23 | furrywolf | sounds like hanmail sucks, and it's not worth sending them mail. |
| 02:32.32 | jim | and korea.com |
| 02:32.41 | Guerin | it's a huge spamfarm, so it's hilarious that they've put in place measures which stop legitimate mail |
| 02:32.43 | bob2 | kornet is still way more |
| 02:32.45 | cafuego | Well well. the haminal.net NS servers return -> feayn.org too |
| 02:32.53 | Guerin | han = the korean prefix for anything korean |
| 02:33.01 | cafuego | Guerin: Just block hanmail.net and be done with it. |
| 02:33.05 | Guerin | it means various things, but mainly 'one' or 'unified' |
| 02:33.10 | TwistedEmotions | han - Oldschool dynasty.. |
| 02:33.15 | Guerin | cafuego: i'm trying to SEND to hanmail.net. |
| 02:33.17 | cafuego | Guerin: Thei're korean and thus probably spammers anyway ;-) |
| 02:33.27 | jim | why would you want to do that :) |
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| 02:33.46 | Guerin | furrywolf: yeah, I guess so. |
| 02:33.50 | cafuego | Guerin: Can you use a gmail account and inform their postmaster their mail servers are broken? |
| 02:33.56 | Guerin | aalmost certainly not worth sending them a report. |
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| 02:34.04 | Guerin | yeah, I'll do that. |
| 02:34.22 | jim | why would gmail be helpful here? |
| 02:34.28 | cafuego | I note their OWN host entries don't match. |
| 02:34.36 | Guerin | jim: gmail.com is bound to resolve properly, right? |
| 02:34.38 | cafuego | mx5 is actually rmail-164 |
| 02:34.49 | jim | oh, well, yeah probably |
| 02:34.56 | TwistedEmotions | <joke>You know why hanmail.net doesnt work? Because their servers were build in 200BC! </joke> I had to actually look up dates for Han Dynasty.. |
| 02:35.43 | liable | !slap TwistedEmotions |
| 02:35.43 | cafuego | SHOW US YER TITS! |
| 02:35.45 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: it'ss more like their management structure was built in 200BC, and nobody's changed a damn thing since. |
| 02:35.49 | jim | missed him by THAT much! |
| 02:36.42 | cafuego | you need a better hobby |
| 02:36.58 | TwistedEmotions | See kids... #debian DOES kill. |
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| 02:37.37 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: you know they have a davis lug there right? they come to linuxworldexpo and the picnic too. |
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| 02:37.53 | cafuego | freaky, this box boots when I plug the HD into the sil pci card and the DVDRWs into the mobo, but not the other way around. |
| 02:38.00 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: WTF is a davis LUG? |
| 02:38.23 | jim | a lug in davis? |
| 02:38.33 | TwistedEmotions | cafuego: sounds like you should retire your 1960's MB. |
| 02:38.41 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: http://www.lugod.org/ |
| 02:39.00 | jim | who here is near davis? |
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| 02:39.03 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: Same issue on an AMD64 mobo and an nforce2 Athlon mobo. |
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| 02:39.19 | cafuego | TwistedEmotions: So I think I'd prefer to blame the Sil0680 chipset |
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| 02:39.28 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: Wow... you know those guys are socially retarded.. starting a linux group at Davis? |
| 02:39.42 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ? |
| 02:39.44 | TwistedEmotions | jim: Im in bay area... going to Davis next year. |
| 02:39.54 | ideal | I'll let my sister tell you about the roadmap tommorrow. |
| 02:40.01 | gurubie | How do I move the mpg file in an iso file meant for a dvd-r out by itself so my mpeg player card can play it to svideo? |
| 02:40.20 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: got nothing better to do then starting a linux group? Why dont they just get on IRC? |
| 02:40.30 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hahaha. |
| 02:40.51 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: lets start out own group |
| 02:41.09 | jim | TwistedEmotions: just out of HS? or went to a CC? |
| 02:41.22 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: aint no user in the eastbay man. |
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| 02:41.26 | gurubie | Is there a mount command that will then let me extract the vidoe file from the iso FILE? |
| 02:41.27 | furrywolf | back in a bit. need to unload the car, then hop in the shower and get all this fiberglass out of my fur. |
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| 02:41.39 | peterS | gurubie: not a mount command. bchunk will apparently do this |
| 02:41.57 | TwistedEmotions | jim: CC |
| 02:42.03 | jim | which one? |
| 02:42.07 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: I was kidding |
| 02:42.08 | deadcat | dvc |
| 02:42.14 | TwistedEmotions | ^^ |
| 02:42.24 | jim | oh, contra costa |
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| 02:42.41 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: if you can figure out a way for me and you to sit in a circle then we have our group |
| 02:42.42 | deadcat | jim: you? |
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| 02:42.51 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: HAHAHA. |
| 02:42.55 | jim | laney/coa/merritt |
| 02:43.07 | deadcat | jim: oakland eh? |
| 02:43.11 | jjc | hello |
| 02:43.17 | jim | yeah, close by |
| 02:43.22 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: stay away from jim hes ghetto. |
| 02:43.23 | deadcat | jim: run........... |
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| 02:43.32 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: ya. hahhaha. |
| 02:43.33 | gurubie | peterS, Is that an extra feature od bchuck? |
| 02:43.36 | gurubie | of |
| 02:43.37 | TwistedEmotions | haha. |
| 02:43.44 | TwistedEmotions | jim: You go to davis? |
| 02:43.47 | peterS | gurubie: I haven't used it. I only go by what I have heard |
| 02:43.48 | jim | nope |
| 02:43.59 | TwistedEmotions | jim: where? |
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| 02:44.09 | TwistedEmotions | jim: if you dont mind me asking that is.. |
| 02:44.14 | jim | right now, just TheJazzSchool |
| 02:44.26 | deadcat | jim: sounds private to me |
| 02:44.30 | gurubie | peterS, BinChunker converts a CD image in a .bin/.cue format (sometimes .raw/.cue) |
| 02:44.30 | gurubie | into a set of .iso and .cdr/.wav tracks. |
| 02:44.33 | TwistedEmotions | sounds jazzy. |
| 02:44.41 | jim | and taking pvt bass lessons from Michael Wilcox |
| 02:45.13 | shingouz | just as a check, the debianized kernel sources, do they decompress to kernel-source-foo.bar or linux-foo.bar? |
| 02:45.14 | TwistedEmotions | Who the cracker is that? |
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| 02:45.20 | gurubie | Anyone know the best way to extract an mpg out of an .iso file made for dvd-r? |
| 02:45.21 | deadcat | ya. i was talking to tim henderson last time. |
| 02:45.44 | shingouz | gurubie: mount with loop and drag it off the directory |
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| 02:46.00 | jim | all-around good player as far as I know... Steve Erquiaga referred me |
| 02:46.07 | gurubie | shingouz, Yes, what's that mount command? |
| 02:46.23 | deadcat | jim: oh. you know steve? hes cool. |
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| 02:46.31 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you play? |
| 02:46.34 | jim | well met him a coupla times |
| 02:46.35 | shingouz | gurubie: you need to use -o loop in it, otherwise like any other mount |
| 02:46.48 | deadcat | TwistedEmotions: hell no. i was trying confuse him. cus he confused the hell out of me |
| 02:46.53 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 02:46.55 | gurubie | shingouz, cool thanks. |
| 02:47.34 | jim | gurubie: man mount... you should be able to piece the command together |
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| 02:48.07 | jim | deadcat: you didn't want the hell in you anyway :P |
| 02:48.22 | deadcat | jim: ? (= |
| 02:48.30 | deadcat | !confuse jim |
| 02:48.31 | dpkg | Yes, how are our ferret today, jim? shirts of the republic of swaziland with extra cheese |
| 02:48.42 | shingouz | gurubie: as root unless you have it set up in fstab and all... |
| 02:48.56 | jim | that looks like spam text meant to foil bayes |
| 02:49.56 | jim | ok, it's coming time to start processing my confirmed-spam folder |
| 02:50.41 | shingouz | what has happened to the channel, i just noticed that we have way less than 700 people here at the moment. this is actually scary being here all alone like this :p |
| 02:51.10 | kjparker | lol |
| 02:51.11 | jim | shingouz: network upgrade, all servers restarted |
| 02:51.17 | shingouz | oh |
| 02:51.22 | jim | about a week ago |
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| 02:52.46 | kjparker | another stupid question, is it possible for me to set the default browser for my system? at the moment it seems to be ephiphany, i want it to be firefox |
| 02:53.01 | kjparker | i can't seem to find where to change it |
| 02:53.20 | resiak | kjparker: Do you use Gnome? In its "Preferences -> Advanced". |
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| 02:53.57 | kjparker | yes i do, and thanks... don't know how i missed it |
| 02:54.06 | gurubie | shingouz, Jim, peterS: Copying mounted .iso file now. Thanks all. 73 |
| 02:54.17 | shingouz | gurubie: :) |
| 02:54.23 | jim | 42! |
| 02:54.27 | xsquared | hi, ive set squid up but it keeps telling me that Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. What did I miss? |
| 02:54.39 | shingouz | the hammer? |
| 02:54.48 | kjparker | i bet you haven't allowed any hosts to use the cache |
| 02:54.54 | xsquared | i have |
| 02:55.02 | kjparker | obviously not! :) |
| 02:55.16 | xsquared | but i did |
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| 02:55.28 | xsquared | 10.0.0.1-10.0.0.5 |
| 02:55.44 | jim | xsquared: is your ip one of those? |
| 02:55.49 | shingouz | is the format correct? |
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| 02:55.56 | xsquared | yes, im 10.0.0.5 |
| 02:56.00 | jim | on what machine is the thingy running? it's a proxy? |
| 02:56.10 | xsquared | yes |
| 02:56.14 | jim | what machine? |
| 02:56.18 | xsquared | 10.0.0.1 |
| 02:56.52 | jim | usually you'd want to watch the "server" logs in a case like this... here the "server" is the proxy |
| 02:58.02 | Guerin | xsquared: what's your acl line in squid.conf? |
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| 02:58.29 | xsquared | Guerin: acl all src 10.0.0.1-10.0.0.5 |
| 02:58.57 | xsquared | oh yay. bloody thing worked |
| 02:59.11 | xsquared | http_access |
| 02:59.16 | xsquared | heh. |
| 02:59.27 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:59.33 | Guerin | yeah, fallen for that |
| 02:59.43 | xsquared | and also is dans guardian any good? |
| 02:59.57 | filipe | i`m having problems when I try to do a mirror from sarge.... I tried various mirros and i get "connection reset by peer". Just try it: |
| 03:00.00 | filipe | wget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dict-gcide/dict-gcide_0.48-4_all.deb |
| 03:00.19 | kjparker | try a different mirror? |
| 03:00.25 | Guerin | he did |
| 03:00.27 | filipe | or with any repository and you will get an error at byte 4219472/15124092 |
| 03:00.42 | Guerin | sounds like a manky connection to me |
| 03:00.47 | kjparker | oops |
| 03:00.49 | filipe | i trie 7 mirrors..... |
| 03:00.53 | Guerin | can you get any other arbitrary file on teh intarwebs? |
| 03:01.07 | filipe | yeah... some packages have this error.... |
| 03:01.10 | Guerin | or maybe a local disk error of some kind |
| 03:01.18 | jim | filipe: seems like that might be a problem on your side |
| 03:01.54 | filipe | xlibmesa-gl-dbg..... gnat-3.3-doc .... libemdmkit9 |
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| 03:04.13 | Nigel | hmmmm apt doesn't have a maxspeed limit? |
| 03:04.31 | cafuego | Nigel: Of course not. |
| 03:04.38 | bob2 | Nigel: use trickle |
| 03:04.43 | cafuego | Nigel: That's a kernel/network layer function. |
| 03:05.00 | bob2 | or a dodgy LD_PRELOAD layer function ;p |
| 03:05.26 | cafuego | bob2: Well yes.. or a renice/make -j100 function ;-) |
| 03:05.31 | bob2 | haha |
| 03:06.13 | Nigel | like "--limit-rate=RATE limit download rate to RATE." for wget |
| 03:06.26 | filipe | jim: thank you. I will fuck some network administrators now. |
| 03:06.26 | cafuego | Nigel: no |
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| 03:07.06 | Nigel | note to self: update firefox later... |
| 03:07.34 | Nigel | i'm using 1.0.0 (i think) and it seems to have a bit of a memleak |
| 03:07.42 | bob2 | Nigel: trickle does exactly that |
| 03:08.14 | cafuego | (via a dodgy LD_PRELOAD hack) |
| 03:08.24 | cafuego | Hmm. I think i have new neighbours moving in. |
| 03:08.32 | Nigel | i'll just wait... |
| 03:08.48 | bob2 | hope they like their lattes |
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| 03:10.51 | cafuego | I'm not sure how popular lattes are amongts Melbourne's asian residents |
| 03:11.14 | jim | they like thai iced coffee instead? |
| 03:11.36 | cafuego | thai iced coffee? |
| 03:11.49 | jim | try it sometime |
| 03:11.51 | jim | really good |
| 03:11.57 | cafuego | wtf would you do that when there's a perfectly servicable array of 1200 italian restaurants? |
| 03:12.14 | jim | because I don't like italian? :) |
| 03:12.22 | jim | but I'm not in .au either |
| 03:12.24 | cafuego | woggist |
| 03:13.26 | Guerin | how can you not like italian food? |
| 03:13.27 | jim | neiter of which take away from the goodness of thai iced coffee :) |
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| 03:13.49 | cafuego | jim: How much like thai non-iced coffee is it? |
| 03:13.55 | jim | parmasan cheese is evil grossness... |
| 03:14.00 | Guerin | jim: you talking about the stuff with condensed milk in it? |
| 03:14.11 | Guerin | parmesan cheese, and you lie! |
| 03:14.14 | jim | I have no idea |
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| 03:14.25 | cafuego | jim: Parmigiana Reggiana is Queen! |
| 03:14.29 | cafuego | jim: Apologise! |
| 03:14.56 | jim | only if she pees up a rope first... |
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| 03:15.35 | jim | cafuego: about non-iced, dunno. never tried it |
| 03:15.36 | cafuego | jim: You just never had decent parmesan, is what you're saying? |
| 03:15.52 | jim | it's vaguely possible |
| 03:16.09 | bob2 | hah |
| 03:16.10 | Guerin | or he doesn't like any cheese which isn't flavourless rubber shite |
| 03:16.13 | cafuego | jim: Proper italian authentic reggiano. |
| 03:16.22 | bob2 | cafuego: how from brunswick street are you? |
| 03:16.32 | cafuego | bob2: english |
| 03:16.49 | cafuego | bob2: (about 10 mins by car, 20 by bike) |
| 03:16.56 | jim | I hate the rubberlike crap bars add to pizza too |
| 03:17.00 | bob2 | ah |
| 03:17.26 | cafuego | the in-laws live futher along it |
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| 03:17.47 | cafuego | brunswick street got broken when the let all the suburban tourists in though |
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| 03:21.55 | cat | oh boy back with Linux ;P |
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| 03:22.48 | jim | cat: first time using it? |
| 03:22.58 | cat | not really Debian since 99 |
| 03:23.05 | cat | all the way faithfull to it |
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| 03:23.28 | jim | just curious... |
| 03:23.35 | mwilson | Then what is "oh boy back with Linux" supposed to mean? |
| 03:23.46 | cat | mwilson: my pc was dead, ;( that's why |
| 03:23.57 | jim | he's back in the little grass shack? |
| 03:23.59 | cat | so i had to buy a new mother board an a new cpu processor |
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| 03:24.20 | jim | which processes processors? |
| 03:24.31 | Denisbr | How I dowload of driver lucent winmodem for sarge kernel 2.6.8-1-386? |
| 03:24.33 | jim | sorry, couldn't resist :) |
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| 03:24.39 | peterS | jim: yeah, and who will guard the guards? |
| 03:24.41 | quitte_ | processor processor lets the magic smoke out i think |
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| 03:24.54 | mwilson | Denisbr: You don't. |
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| 03:25.08 | cat | amd 2600+ socket a |
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| 03:25.23 | Guerin | !tardware |
| 03:25.23 | dpkg | tardware is, like, the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>. |
| 03:25.25 | jim | cat: what did you have before |
| 03:25.28 | Denisbr | mwilson ? |
| 03:25.33 | Guerin | Denisbr: see above ^^^ - go buy a real modem. |
| 03:25.44 | cat | naw i had a really crapy one, so i just bough this one ;P |
| 03:26.06 | cat | so i'm gonna fixed my friends computer and gonna give the same processor that i had, and that's it |
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| 03:26.33 | Denisbr | Guerin but, I used of lucent in the Debian!!! |
| 03:26.40 | jeff_ | having problem with xine crashing, any advice |
| 03:26.50 | quitte_ | use mplayer |
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| 03:27.19 | jeff_ | have advice how to fix xine? |
| 03:27.30 | jim | Denisbr: what you have is a winmodem, a device that needs a driver... the old ones are better, faster and don't require cpu time slices |
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| 03:28.02 | renegad3 | hi guys, I upgraded my kde to 3.4 I want to revert back to 3.3 any suggestions on how to downgrade? |
| 03:28.04 | liable | Denisbr: linmodems.org |
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| 03:28.22 | Denisbr | liable thanks |
| 03:28.27 | quitte_ | jeff_: describe the problem in more detail |
| 03:28.28 | Guerin | jeff_: try and figure out why. |
| 03:28.39 | jim | renegad3: generally speaking, debian was not designed for downgrade |
| 03:28.46 | renegad3 | doh |
| 03:28.55 | jim | but it -might- work to install the packages... |
| 03:28.59 | Guerin | renegad3: purge all the packages you installed for kde3.4 |
| 03:29.08 | jim | what will work better is get rid of all the kde packages first |
| 03:29.09 | Guerin | renegad3: then install the debian kde package |
| 03:29.11 | Xenguy | renegad3: /b |
| 03:29.14 | Xenguy | sorry |
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| 03:29.17 | quitte_ | renegad3: remove the qtlibs. that will wipe kde away. then install older one |
| 03:29.25 | Guerin | don't bother trying to downgrade, it'll break horribly. |
| 03:29.33 | grepper | renegad3: remove kde, remove the alioth site from sources.list, then do as Guerin said |
| 03:29.46 | renegad3 | ./all* thanks |
| 03:30.03 | jeff_ | quitte_:I get this error: "xiTK received SIGSEGV signal, RIP." when I try to run an avi |
| 03:30.21 | Guerin | !sigsegv |
| 03:30.21 | dpkg | sigsegv is, like, Segmentation Fault (segfault), analogous to the Blue Screen of Death on a Windows(TM) box, except the death of the offending program doesn't bring the whole system to a halt. It's caused by the program trying to use memory that doesn't exist or it's not allowed to access. Get a newer version of whatever did it. |
| 03:30.36 | Guerin | or check your ram |
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| 03:31.07 | jim | jeff_: or you might not have enough available ram, or something like that |
| 03:31.20 | Guerin | insufficient ram should NEVER cause segfaults |
| 03:31.27 | Guerin | (except in some kind of virtualisation) |
| 03:31.35 | mwilson | Why would anyone voluntarily use KDE 3.4 anyway? Isn't 3.3 bad enough? |
| 03:31.47 | jim | never ... except ...? :) |
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| 03:31.55 | mos__ | mwilson: because they cant stop verion chasing |
| 03:31.58 | Guerin | if a program segfaults instead of flaking out gracefully when it hasn't got enough ram, it's poorly written. |
| 03:32.16 | jim | very true |
| 03:32.34 | Guerin | jeff_: such as, for example, UML, which is known to throw segfaults when the uml instance doesn't have enough ram for what it's doing. |
| 03:32.36 | jim | the author needed to check the results of his syscalls |
| 03:32.36 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:32.39 | Guerin | jim: ^^ |
| 03:32.56 | FlimFlamMan | i need to move all my users' uids from above 500 to above 1000... is there a way to do that without completely screwing everything up? :-) |
| 03:33.07 | jeff_ | Guerin: RAM should be fine over 512 |
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| 03:33.27 | jim | FlimFlamMan: it involves locating all files a user owns |
| 03:33.34 | Guerin | jeff_: run memtest86 overnight if upgrading stuff doesn't fix it. |
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| 03:33.44 | Guerin | jeff_: what version of debian? |
| 03:33.48 | jim | also you should not do it when a user is logged in |
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| 03:33.59 | jeff_ | Guerin: Sarge |
| 03:34.08 | Guerin | jeff_: check the BTS also |
| 03:34.08 | jim | how many users you talkin about |
| 03:34.18 | jeff_ | Guerin: BTS? |
| 03:34.25 | Guerin | topic |
| 03:34.25 | jim | bugs.debian.org |
| 03:34.26 | FlimFlamMan | jim, i'm wondering if i can restrict it to a few dirs like /home... etc. |
| 03:34.37 | FlimFlamMan | jim, about 150 users or so |
| 03:34.45 | jim | dunno |
| 03:34.51 | mwilson | Guerin: Remember... he's an unstable user... so he won't know what the BTS is. |
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| 03:35.00 | jim | depends on if your users would have files they own elsewhere |
| 03:35.07 | Guerin | mwilson: he just said he was a sarge user. |
| 03:35.13 | Guerin | mwilson: but your point holds. |
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| 03:35.23 | acid-trip | any one alive |
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| 03:35.34 | FlimFlamMan | jim, hmm, what about samba |
| 03:35.36 | acid-trip | i need help configuring X |
| 03:35.38 | jim | you -could- try with the assumption that only files they would own would be in their home dir |
| 03:35.45 | Guerin | !tell acid-trip about set up x |
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| 03:35.50 | jim | samba has nothing to do with this |
| 03:36.22 | acid-trip | Guerin: i did that but i can't get my x to work with my video card properly |
| 03:36.30 | jim | you would alter the user's metadata, then alter the user's file ownerships |
| 03:36.30 | Guerin | acid-trip: why not? |
| 03:36.40 | bob2 | if it's a modern card, it probably won't work on debian without the vesa driver |
| 03:36.42 | bob2 | which is ass |
| 03:36.51 | acid-trip | it says connection reset by peer |
| 03:36.59 | jim | anyway |
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| 03:37.04 | jim | burrito time |
| 03:37.07 | acid-trip | i can't get my pci location done right |
| 03:37.08 | acid-trip | :/ |
| 03:37.11 | Guerin | acid-trip: did you do exactly what the 'set up x' factoid said? |
| 03:37.18 | bob2 | acid-trip: leave it blank |
| 03:37.20 | Guerin | you don't need to specify busid |
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| 03:37.33 | acid-trip | Guerin: even if my box came with an intergrated? |
| 03:37.47 | Guerin | are you runninx x86? |
| 03:37.48 | acid-trip | cause techincally i have two video outputs |
| 03:37.50 | acid-trip | ya |
| 03:37.52 | Guerin | s/x/g/ |
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| 03:38.10 | acid-trip | i d unno s/x/g/ |
| 03:38.11 | acid-trip | :/ |
| 03:38.17 | Guerin | graah, no idea then |
| 03:38.27 | Guerin | i've never set up or dome anything dual-headwise |
| 03:38.44 | Guerin | if you only want to use one, switch off your onboard in bios |
| 03:38.53 | acid-trip | Guerin: my card is a ati radeon 9000 |
| 03:39.06 | peterS | hmmm, when did debian start supporting experimental with a regular-looking sources.list line? |
| 03:39.20 | Guerin | peterS: ages ago? |
| 03:39.31 | starscalling | ok guerin |
| 03:39.33 | Guerin | i've had experimental in my sources.list for at least a year |
| 03:39.36 | starscalling | went to a buddy's |
| 03:39.40 | peterS | I always thought you needed "../project/experimental" in there |
| 03:39.42 | starscalling | got to rummage in his comp parts |
| 03:39.43 | peterS | but not anymore |
| 03:39.51 | starscalling | found something that is ethernet and looks like it hooks on the mobo |
| 03:39.58 | acid-trip | Guerin: when i installed my new video card my other one automatically was disabled no? |
| 03:40.01 | liable | oh dear |
| 03:40.03 | starscalling | you know where its got those pins with 2 rows on the mobo? |
| 03:40.10 | starscalling | yeah there |
| 03:40.13 | Guerin | acid-trip: i don't know. |
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| 03:40.24 | Guerin | starscalling: no, |
| 03:40.33 | starscalling | no which >.< |
| 03:40.34 | Guerin | peterS: how is that not normal? |
| 03:40.47 | Guerin | (apart from the obvious 'project') |
| 03:40.59 | acid-trip | hmm |
| 03:41.07 | starscalling | 5 rows of 2 pins one pin not avaliable on the thing |
| 03:41.11 | acid-trip | Guerin: i left my busid blank |
| 03:41.17 | acid-trip | x started up but then shut down again |
| 03:41.18 | Guerin | starscalling: it's not ethernet. ethernet doesn't 'hook onto a motherboard with a couple of pins. An ethernet card is something you plug into a pci or an isa slot. |
| 03:41.19 | peterS | Guerin: most sources.list lines don't have ../ in them. that's always been something of a hack for this case. the point is, now you can just say 'deb http://your_mirror/debian experimental main contrib non-free' just like, say, unstable |
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| 03:41.33 | starscalling | like that |
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| 03:41.55 | dabreegster | What's the best way to emulate the look and feel of an old greenscreen on the console or on X? Basically I would like the afterglow-effect or the "ghost image". |
| 03:41.56 | starscalling | correct size for ethernet cable |
| 03:42.13 | Guerin | starscalling: i have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. |
| 03:42.15 | starscalling | its got the female side |
| 03:42.17 | starscalling | lol |
| 03:42.18 | starscalling | ok |
| 03:42.25 | starscalling | let me try to find it somewhere >.< |
| 03:42.35 | Guerin | peterS: i see. |
| 03:42.36 | peterS | dabreegster: crank your brightness way up? |
| 03:42.51 | dabreegster | peterS: On the monitor? It is, I believe |
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| 03:43.04 | peterS | dabreegster: if you have it high enough you even get the fuzziness effect for free |
| 03:43.04 | dabreegster | yeah, it is. All the way. |
| 03:43.16 | dabreegster | peterS: It's as high as it'll go |
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| 03:43.29 | peterS | dabreegster: buy a cheaper monitor then. yours clearly won't let you abuse it |
| 03:43.43 | dabreegster | peterS: There's no other way? |
| 03:43.45 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:44.15 | peterS | dabreegster: oh, I'm sure you could emulate poor video signals in software. have fun - I don't know of any prepackaged apps that do this though |
| 03:44.27 | dabreegster | peterS: Oh well. |
| 03:44.47 | yaboo | is the ati 9700 support under linux and will it work with debian |
| 03:44.49 | peterS | dabreegster: maybe there's an xscreensaver hack to do this. todo: merge that with xterm into a truly unholy mess |
| 03:45.08 | peterS | yaboo: yes, maybe but probably not |
| 03:45.16 | dabreegster | peterS: there's an xscreensaver called phosphor that achieves the basic effect. But I don't feel like hacking code |
| 03:45.30 | yaboo | PeterS hey? |
| 03:45.49 | peterS | yaboo: you asked two questions. I answered two questions. I even kept my answers in the same order as your questions |
| 03:46.28 | yaboo | peterS just got a dell 9100 with a ati 9700 card |
| 03:46.33 | shingouz | dabreegster: check the matrix xscreensaver module, they have some odd fonts there it seems, looks kinda like the old monitors. maybe you can get some hints from hte module when you start hacking together some weird and wonderful configuration for your monitor |
| 03:47.01 | peterS | shingouz: beside the point. he doesn't want to hack, he wants to find an xterm flag that does this already |
| 03:47.09 | dabreegster | shingouz: Alright. there's cmatrix for the console, too, I had forgotten about that |
| 03:47.13 | yaboo | if I download the ati drivers and xwindows system install, will it work peterS? |
| 03:47.27 | dabreegster | Exactly. I'm not great at C, let alone combining two programs |
| 03:47.30 | shingouz | ok ok, i'll go get more caffeine ;) |
| 03:47.39 | peterS | yaboo: xwindows does not exist. beyond that, I refuse to make guarantees on behalf of non-free software |
| 03:48.03 | peterS | nobody in his right mind would wish to do *that* |
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| 03:49.01 | dabreegster | Can anybody recommend a psf font (console font, usually found in /usr/share/consolefonts/) that looks Matrix-style or at least a font that's pretty neat-looking? |
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| 03:49.04 | yaboo | peterS xfree86 I guess the default x debian package |
| 03:49.23 | Guerin | wtf, my mailserver just got rebooted |
| 03:49.30 | Guerin | and not by me |
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| 03:49.46 | liable | brb |
| 03:50.17 | yze | sarge is the greatest release ever |
| 03:50.22 | yze | and the most stable |
| 03:50.32 | Guerin | maybe it was hanmail haxx0ring me for sending them a stroppy 'your server is fucked, fix it' mail |
| 03:50.34 | yze | i've replaced my family with copies of it |
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| 03:50.54 | Guerin | yze: wow, that's pretty far out. I'd prefer to keep my family, with all their flaws. |
| 03:51.07 | yze | families are so yesterday |
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| 03:51.55 | yze | the latest stable release is sarge |
| 03:52.03 | yze | and it is so stable i sometimes cry |
| 03:52.24 | zinx | sarge was released?!?!??!?! |
| 03:52.24 | Guerin | well |
| 03:52.29 | Guerin | it's not released yet. |
| 03:52.36 | zinx | oh. |
| 03:52.54 | yze | not released to the unwashed masses |
| 03:53.02 | yze | but only to select few |
| 03:53.08 | Guerin | no |
| 03:53.09 | peterS | it won't release until I'm another year older, at this rate |
| 03:53.12 | Guerin | not released to anyone |
| 03:53.16 | peterS | and that won't be for another month |
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| 03:53.37 | yze | you won't be a year older in a month. you will be a month older |
| 03:53.39 | yze | a common mistake |
| 03:53.46 | silverton | Is their a package that I can apt-get that will give me information on proc temp in the panel ? |
| 03:53.48 | yze | in a year you will be a year older |
| 03:53.50 | yze | next! |
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| 03:54.34 | yze | anyway, i got my copy of sarge in singapore, were it was always slated for an early release |
| 03:54.43 | yze | were/where |
| 03:54.56 | peterS | yze: you got a warezed copy then |
| 03:54.59 | Guerin | no, you didn't |
| 03:55.04 | Guerin | you got fooled |
| 03:55.06 | peterS | they must have no respect for copyrights in .sg |
| 03:55.06 | yze | yes, yes i did |
| 03:55.12 | Guerin | !pal yze |
| 03:55.25 | yze | i paid over $4000 USD for it |
| 03:55.28 | yze | so it's official |
| 03:55.31 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 03:55.31 | yze | and so, so stable |
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| 03:55.41 | dumezil | im trying to search for a number of files in my machine, but i want to combine the grep regular expressions into one, so i can search for all the files at the same time... |
| 03:55.49 | dumezil | how can i do that? |
| 03:55.58 | yze | dumezil, you'll be needing sarge |
| 03:56.01 | Guerin | dumezil: egrep 'foo|bar|baz|bling' |
| 03:56.09 | Guerin | yze: fuck off |
| 03:56.11 | peterS | dumezil: find -name '*.exe' -o -name '*.com' -o -name '*.virus' |
| 03:56.11 | yze | i can send you a copy for a one-off low, low price |
| 03:56.21 | dumezil | thanks |
| 03:56.44 | yze | Guerin, i understand your anger at being out of the loop and not having your own copy of sarge |
| 03:56.57 | yze | it can hurt to be left out |
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| 03:57.15 | shingouz | where the fuck did that one crawl out from? |
| 03:57.24 | Guerin | singapore, home of the tards |
| 03:57.31 | Guerin | if he is actuall speaking the truth |
| 03:57.33 | shingouz | i see... |
| 03:57.43 | yze | anyway, who would use debian when there is FreeBSD |
| 03:57.46 | yze | very strange indeed |
| 03:57.49 | yze | anyway, ciao! |
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| 03:57.56 | silverton | what are "gdesklets" ? |
| 03:58.08 | shingouz | bling bling for gnomw |
| 03:58.09 | Guerin | oh, he's from australia |
| 03:58.13 | shingouz | gnome even |
| 03:58.19 | dumezil | how can i search for a.c but not camera.c? they both end in a.c |
| 03:58.20 | Guerin | that explains a few things |
| 03:58.21 | peterS | silverton: they're what anyone else would call 'panel applets' but they're set free to roam apart from an actual panel |
| 03:58.33 | liable | !bite Guerin |
| 03:58.38 | peterS | dumezil: find -name 'a.c' rather than -name '*a.c' |
| 03:58.54 | dumezil | sorry ive read the faqs and such, but i can't seem to get these regular expressions to work. |
| 03:59.03 | silverton | peterS, how do I have them run? |
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| 03:59.07 | dumezil | if i wanted to use egrep? what would the regular expression be? |
| 03:59.18 | peterS | silverton: don't know. they come with gnome, presumably you install gdesklets and hope for the best |
| 03:59.36 | silverton | yeah, that is what I'm doing |
| 03:59.55 | peterS | dumezil: it's unclear to me how you're invoking the egrep. is it on full pathnames? in that case I'd egrep for '/a.c$' |
| 04:00.39 | dumezil | well im doing |
| 04:00.40 | dumezil | find / | egrep "a.c|bind.c|whatever.else" |
| 04:00.46 | peterS | dumezil: the $ limits the pattern to the end of a string, the / is the final directory separator |
| 04:00.56 | dumezil | ok ok that makes sense. thanks |
| 04:01.15 | caphuso | egrep for '/a\.c$' |
| 04:01.22 | peterS | dumezil: also, egrep treats "." as any single character. if you want to be specific, say \. in place of . |
| 04:01.55 | peterS | dumezil: often you can be lazy about this but if you want a strict pattern you have to remember that . and \. are different in grep/egrep |
| 04:02.31 | dumezil | so in grep . is treated as a literal period, but in egrep it is treated as any single char? |
| 04:02.36 | silverton | hmm :-/ |
| 04:02.43 | peterS | dumezil: no, grep treats . as any character as well |
| 04:02.50 | kjparker | Guerin oh, he's from australia <----- but don't hold that against him |
| 04:02.55 | peterS | dumezil: \. means literal dot in both variants of grep |
| 04:03.08 | dumezil | ohh ok... so grep and egrep are the same in this regard |
| 04:03.11 | peterS | yep |
| 04:03.29 | peterS | they're more similar than different, all told |
| 04:03.35 | Guerin | !test |
| 04:03.35 | dpkg | Yes, guerin, you're still online. |
| 04:03.40 | shingouz | i'll go grep a few dreams, laters |
| 04:03.43 | dumezil | ok ok... thanks for having great patience with my slow moving head |
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| 04:04.23 | peterS | hmmm, I should be off - I have to go to a wedding tomorrow *morning* (who the @#$^ schedules weddings for before noon?) and ought to wrap the gift between now and then (: |
| 04:04.59 | cafuego | peterS: leaves time to drink from lunch onwards |
| 04:05.25 | cafuego | I wish them better luck than the ones at my last wedding |
| 04:05.35 | cafuego | (they managed 6 months...) |
| 04:05.35 | peterS | cafuego: even evening weddings leave a lot of time at the reception to imbibe. afternoon weddings leave *lots* of time. there's no excuse for a 10 a.m. wedding |
| 04:05.57 | starscalling | yeah its really an onboard ethernet not pci lol |
| 04:06.02 | cafuego | peterS: Mebbe the booking for the chapel was cheaper in the morning, or the afternoon was already booked |
| 04:06.02 | starscalling | still looking for a pic of it |
| 04:06.07 | smo_ | hi, what s a zombie task (in the "top" command)?? |
| 04:06.13 | cafuego | starscalling: 'lspci' |
| 04:06.21 | peterS | cafuego: however ... there *is* the fact that this is to be an outdoor event, and up here in the northern hemisphere it gets kind of hot after noon this time of year. I'm sure that's what they were thinking |
| 04:06.24 | caphuso | smo_: /msg dpkg zombie |
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| 04:06.29 | cafuego | smo_: a process that's dead, but doesn't know it yet |
| 04:06.30 | smo_ | k |
| 04:06.34 | Guerin | if people hold by the tradition that the couple should leave no earlier or later than midnight, a 10am wedding would be utterly boring |
| 04:06.39 | Guerin | or utterly insane |
| 04:06.39 | smo_ | ok |
| 04:06.56 | peterS | Guerin: this couple is anything but traditional. the invitation came on a *postcard* |
| 04:06.59 | starscalling | cafuego, huh? whats that for to list pci devices running in linux? |
| 04:07.06 | cafuego | starscalling: yes |
| 04:07.15 | starscalling | its not plugged in yet, was just debating whether to risk burning it out lol |
| 04:07.19 | cafuego | starscalling: Easier to find out what you have then cracking the box open |
| 04:07.21 | cafuego | starscalling: ah, ok |
| 04:07.26 | starscalling | ^_^ |
| 04:07.30 | starscalling | this thing is wierd |
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| 04:08.36 | cafuego | "The men is rich when he is wealthy!" |
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| 04:09.14 | silverton | ok, this gdesklet thing is pretty damn cool |
| 04:09.27 | peterS | silverton: oh, you got it going? |
| 04:09.51 | peterS | silverton: is it what I think - panel applets that have escaped the panel for no known sensible reason other than to make pretty screenshots? |
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| 04:10.21 | Guerin | peterS: and waste screen real-estate |
| 04:10.30 | peterS | Guerin: right, that too |
| 04:10.33 | Guerin | don't forget that important property all *lets have |
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| 04:11.16 | peterS | what - the main window is visible all the time so it has to crunch CPU showing you updated status you most of the time don't care about? |
| 04:11.37 | silverton | peterS, precisely |
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| 04:12.28 | eskaypey | installing ubuntu here, it configures dhcp allright but says it cant detect default route |
| 04:12.45 | mwilson | eskaypey: #ubuntu |
| 04:12.47 | liable | derr, wrong channel maybe? |
| 04:12.48 | eskaypey | what could it be, ive done install before and never had problems with route |
| 04:13.05 | eskaypey | mwilson: been there no one seem to help me |
| 04:13.08 | dabreegster | eskaypey: this is #debian |
| 04:13.14 | peterS | eskaypey: so ask in #redhat |
| 04:13.15 | dabreegster | eskaypey: debian is not ubuntu |
| 04:13.20 | mwilson | eskaypey: And someone would help you HERE because...? |
| 04:13.23 | liable | !not supporting ubuntu |
| 04:13.24 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support ubuntu too. Try #ubuntu or donating money to charity. |
| 04:13.24 | dabreegster | eskaypey: or #mandrake |
| 04:13.24 | peterS | eskaypey: if we knew ubuntu we'd probably be in #ubuntu |
| 04:13.45 | Guerin | ok, bash loop for morons |
| 04:13.46 | peterS | some of us *are* in #ubuntu, I believe. I'm not one of them |
| 04:14.09 | eskaypey | right |
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| 04:14.12 | eskaypey | sorry guys |
| 04:14.22 | Guerin | while [ $? != 0 ]; do something i want to do until it succeeds ; done |
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| 04:14.25 | mwilson | eskaypey: You're not. |
| 04:14.28 | eskaypey | have a good day :) |
| 04:14.34 | mos__ | there are very few reasons a debian derivative user should be here.... |
| 04:14.51 | jeff99 | what would you all recommend the best way to install mplayer is? |
| 04:14.58 | caphuso | Guerin: until commandtosuccess; do sleep 1; done |
| 04:14.59 | mos__ | jeff99: marillat |
| 04:15.01 | Guerin | !tell jeff99 about marillat |
| 04:15.04 | mwilson | jeff99: Other than reading the instructions? |
| 04:15.06 | Guerin | oh, until |
| 04:15.10 | Guerin | caphuso: thanks :) |
| 04:15.10 | caphuso | commandtosucceed |
| 04:15.29 | jeff99 | im asking if i should compile it or use marillat |
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| 04:15.41 | peterS | Guerin: note that 'while ! foo' is equivalent to 'until foo' if foo is only a single command |
| 04:15.50 | mos__ | marillat is fine |
| 04:16.11 | Guerin | ah, I see |
| 04:16.11 | peterS | ...so in case you don't want to burden your brain with a new verb, you can burden it with a new punctuation character instead |
| 04:16.19 | Guerin | so $? is the stupid way around it |
| 04:16.26 | peterS | uh, conjunction I guess |
| 04:16.29 | Guerin | i just want to try shelling into my host until it works |
| 04:17.04 | peterS | the $? thing should work, but just putting the condition directly into the while / until test is generally more straightforward, yeah |
| 04:17.38 | caphuso | great, the bash docs are as useless as always |
| 04:18.05 | TwistedEmotions | f |
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| 04:18.11 | mos__ | caphuso: not really |
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| 04:18.22 | caphuso | mos__: yes, really |
| 04:18.41 | TwistedEmotions | maybe, really |
| 04:18.45 | mos__ | i need of more work yes, but useless no |
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| 04:18.54 | caphuso | i've yet again resort to SUSv3 shell grammar docs and hope that bash implements it properly |
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| 04:20.34 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know of a first person shooter game w/multiplayer that is a debian package? |
| 04:20.55 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: Quake2 is packaged, I believe |
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| 04:21.13 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: except quake2... I cant get it to run right.. |
| 04:21.41 | Wyzard | TwistedEmotions: though the package just contains the engine and such, and you need the original game CD to copy the big PAK file containing all the levels and sounds and so on |
| 04:21.58 | TwistedEmotions | Wyzard: all that is downloaded through apt-get |
| 04:22.08 | caphuso | peterS: "while ! cat foo | grep bar; do sleep 1; done" works just fine, at least in bash 3 |
| 04:22.20 | TwistedEmotions | it's all downloaded... the game ran... just sound gave me errors and I was too lazy to fix. |
| 04:22.24 | peterS | caphuso: yeah, by single statement I meant single pipeline |
| 04:22.40 | peterS | caphuso: as opposed to: while ! this; that; something_that_might_fail; |
| 04:23.12 | caphuso | peterS: enclose it in ( ) |
| 04:23.25 | peterS | caphuso: bah, that's what { } are for |
| 04:23.41 | caphuso | peterS: works too |
| 04:23.47 | Solet-deb | whats the mozilla flash plugin called? |
| 04:24.21 | Guerin | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 04:24.22 | mos__ | Solet-deb: apt-cache search mozilla flash |
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| 04:25.07 | caphuso | peterS: i've stopped caring about subshells. those buggers turn up in the wrong place anyways |
| 04:25.15 | WhiteRabbit | t-minus tick tock |
| 04:25.46 | Guerin | WhiteRabbit: have you seen the saucers? |
| 04:25.52 | nn | wannna watch it burnnnnnnnnn |
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| 04:26.30 | WhiteRabbit | Guerin, my cat carried it off this morning matter a fact so not all day. Hope the fscker brings it back for more milk though. ;) |
| 04:26.36 | joeinspirit | Question: Does anyone have experience with upgradeing from Debian to Ubuntu? |
| 04:26.54 | Guerin | WhiteRabbit: well, nothing gonna stop the milk train runnin' |
| 04:26.54 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: That's not an upgrade, it's a parallel move |
| 04:27.04 | doleyb | joeinspirit: that's a downgrade.. |
| 04:27.07 | liable | joeinspirit: I hope you mean re-installing |
| 04:27.09 | Guerin | joeinspirit: it's unwise to do so. |
| 04:27.18 | WhiteRabbit | Guerin, trust me my girlfreind already knows that fact. |
| 04:27.23 | joeinspirit | hum, |
| 04:27.29 | Guerin | reinstall from scratch; you can keep your homedir and so on |
| 04:27.36 | joeinspirit | downgrade? |
| 04:27.40 | Guerin | WhiteRabbit: you're just not getting it, are you. |
| 04:27.55 | doleyb | Seriously, why would you want ubuntu, if debian is already running. |
| 04:27.58 | joeinspirit | What I was going to try was editing my src lists |
| 04:28.07 | joeinspirit | apt-get update etc.. |
| 04:28.10 | WhiteRabbit | Guerin, If you think so I feel the same way bout joo though but as so well eh. |
| 04:28.16 | Guerin | good luck with that. It'll almost certainly break horribly. |
| 04:28.20 | liable | joeinspirit: it will end in tears |
| 04:28.31 | doleyb | The prime advantage of ubuntu is easier installer, but if you have done install already, why? |
| 04:28.38 | Guerin | i'm sure #ubuntu will say the same thing |
| 04:28.39 | lexxan | xorg |
| 04:28.45 | Guerin | no, the ubuntu installer is the sarge installer |
| 04:28.49 | joeinspirit | I really like ubuntu's out of box hardware support |
| 04:28.58 | Guerin | the prime advantage is newer hardware support and newer desktop packages |
| 04:28.59 | lexxan | me too |
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| 04:29.14 | lexxan | xfce + ubuntu is good |
| 04:29.15 | WhiteRabbit | a modified version of the sarge installer that is |
| 04:29.19 | peterS | Guerin: the other thing about this wedding, it's 20km away from me. I figure that's a good 45-minute ride. I hope it *isn't* too hot out at 9am tomorrow (: |
| 04:29.22 | Guerin | not very heavily modified |
| 04:29.31 | Guerin | peterS: whee, you ride fast. |
| 04:29.53 | WhiteRabbit | it's not a verbatim copy though |
| 04:30.06 | peterS | Guerin: I can average 30 km/h, but I won't tomorrow because I don't want to wind up all sweaty. 45 minutes might be a bit of an underestimate, it could go more like 50 minutes |
| 04:30.12 | Guerin | no; but the PROGRAM itself is the same. It's just CONFIGURED differently. |
| 04:30.34 | Guerin | so it IS the same installer, in the same sense that the irssi I'm running is the same as the one peterS is running |
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| 04:30.52 | joeinspirit | Well I'd been holding back on going to ubuntu, but I tried it on my notebook, at it was great, tried sarge, and it just didn't have the same support. |
| 04:30.57 | joeinspirit | This is my last system with sarge on it |
| 04:31.16 | doleyb | joeinspirit: What is "support"? Does your hardware work, or not? |
| 04:31.17 | joeinspirit | and I didn't really want to reinstall reformat, so I'll give it a go I guess. |
| 04:31.21 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: Support for what, out of curiosity? |
| 04:31.34 | WhiteRabbit | Guerin, well he could be running a different v.# & be using different configs so once again it's not gonna be verbatim |
| 04:31.44 | joeinspirit | My lcd, ubuntu picked up the correct refresh and res. sarge didn't |
| 04:31.51 | Guerin | WhiteRabbit: where did I say it was verbatim? |
| 04:32.01 | joeinspirit | sound didn't work in sarge |
| 04:32.03 | joeinspirit | out of the box |
| 04:32.05 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: Ubuntu has "newer" software because it doesn't go through as rigorous a testing regime to eliminate serious bugs. It's a choice of latest-and-greatest vs. tried-and-true. |
| 04:32.06 | joeinspirit | in ubuntu it did |
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| 04:32.24 | WhiteRabbit | when you used a 2nd idea to show difference being the same |
| 04:32.35 | Guerin | WhiteRabbit: no. I didn't. |
| 04:32.40 | joeinspirit | ok, not to argue but its seemed pretty stable to me. I'll take your word for it as far as them not testing there stuff like debian does. |
| 04:32.49 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: Not being configured out-of-the-box isn't quite the same as "not supported", though :-) |
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| 04:33.10 | starscalling | well blah |
| 04:33.33 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Ubuntu... I've tried it too and it seems nice, aside from the ugly brown default theme |
| 04:33.33 | starscalling | is there a place i can post a pic without joining? |
| 04:33.36 | starscalling | bah |
| 04:33.36 | Guerin | starscalling: http://127.0.0.1 |
| 04:34.00 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: Debian's stable releases are suitable for things like servers, though, where reliability is of utmost importance |
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| 04:34.01 | starscalling | nice Guerin nice ............... |
| 04:34.07 | joeinspirit | wyzard, true. but not being configured out-of-the-box does = another thing to deal with. |
| 04:34.13 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: Ubuntu is targeted at desktop-type systems where reliability, while important, shares a pedestal with being nice and new and shiny and convenient |
| 04:34.25 | gogo3or | how to compile new thing in apache i.e. lurl? I instaled curl |
| 04:34.37 | Guerin | !wayc gogo3or |
| 04:34.38 | dpkg | gogo3or: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 04:34.59 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: If you want a modern desktop system with minimal maintenance, Ubuntu is probably better for you |
| 04:35.02 | deadcat | Guerin: cus hes leet |
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| 04:35.17 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: On the other hand, running Debian (and having to configure stuff manually from time to time) is a good way to learn and expand your Linux skill set |
| 04:35.19 | gogo3or | dpkg: i have got slack on remote server, in debian is easy apt-get install php4-curl |
| 04:35.20 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, gogo3or |
| 04:35.22 | joeinspirit | Wyzard, ya it is. I run gentoo on my server, I like it, but gentoo doesn't make a good desktop IMO |
| 04:35.37 | Guerin | gogo3or: ask #slackware |
| 04:35.40 | Guerin | or #apache |
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| 04:36.13 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: I have a Gentoo box too, though I don't use it for anything since my Debian box takes care of my needs pretty well already |
| 04:37.10 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: If you're experienced enough to be comfortable maintaining a Gentoo system, you might want to try Debian's unstable, which is roughly equivalent, and has more up-to-date software than stable releases |
| 04:38.19 | joeinspirit | I was thinking of trying debian unstable on a server at work. But they want suse enterprise server 9 for some reason. |
| 04:38.40 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: I wouldn't recommend unstable on a server that does anything important |
| 04:38.49 | Guerin | !date |
| 04:38.49 | dpkg | The current date is Sat May 28 04:38:50 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
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| 04:39.31 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: Since it's where new versions of packages go, it's the place where new bugs get found so that they can be fixed prior to a stable release |
| 04:39.53 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: I've been running unstable on my desktop system for nearly 5 years, though |
| 04:40.04 | Guerin | debian sid would probably still be better than suse |
| 04:40.18 | Guerin | less liable to break for no reason |
| 04:40.20 | joeinspirit | I don't know the politics of debian org much, isn't there some fight going on about release cycle for debian? |
| 04:41.07 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: There's been discussion about how Debian goes too long between releases, but that's mostly a consequence of Debian being a huge distribution -- sarge has over ten thousand packages |
| 04:41.10 | Guerin | joeinspirit: yeah, a bit. Partly this is because ubuntu has managed to make two releases in the past few months or so, while debian still hasn't got sarge out. The issue is that many debian developers are working on ubuntu. |
| 04:41.26 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: So developers are looking for ways to speed up the release cycle without sacrificing quality |
| 04:41.40 | Guerin | ubuntu has only ~1500 supported packages, sarge has about ten times that |
| 04:41.43 | Guerin | yeah, what Wyzard said |
| 04:42.12 | WhiteRabbit | have a vote on the top 2,000 packages |
| 04:42.18 | Guerin | why? |
| 04:42.30 | Wyzard | I think the actual number is around 13k (main+contrib) on the sarge snapshot I installed on a test system at work last week |
| 04:42.31 | joeinspirit | Ya, I read that Ian Murdock was upset about the current state of affairs, as ubuntu has shot up like wild fire and participation in the elections at debian is at all time low or something. |
| 04:42.32 | WhiteRabbit | just a idea to help the release speeds |
| 04:42.43 | Guerin | the point of debian is to cater for EVERYONE, not just the lowest common denominator |
| 04:42.54 | mos__ | Wyzard: synaptic says ~16000 for me |
| 04:43.02 | Wyzard | WhiteRabbit: apt-cache show popularity-contest |
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| 04:43.06 | WhiteRabbit | with a 2 year release in the making thats overkill atm imho |
| 04:43.11 | Guerin | joeinspirit: not really that low. ~60% is a decent turnout in any voluntary election |
| 04:43.14 | joeinspirit | Currently most of the sarge packages I've tried work just fine in ubuntu. |
| 04:43.36 | Guerin | joeinspirit: you've been lucky, then. |
| 04:43.44 | joeinspirit | maybe |
| 04:43.46 | Wyzard | Not surprising... Ubuntu isn't radically different from Debian in most ways |
| 04:44.12 | lexxan | joeinspirit, which ones haven't worked |
| 04:44.20 | Wyzard | though there'd likely be compatibility problems in the X.org and GNOME 2.10 areas |
| 04:44.49 | joeinspirit | lexxan, none that I have tried. Wyzard, ya I used the ubuntu x.org and gnome |
| 04:44.50 | _joey | is this normal to have high number of errors on wireless interface ? |
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| 04:45.35 | WhiteRabbit | _joey, if someone is actively scanning it sure |
| 04:45.44 | _joey | I doubt |
| 04:45.45 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: I was going to try that, but the pinning wasn't behaving quite right and I decided not to bother since I'm not in any great hurry to have them |
| 04:45.50 | _joey | it's on private network |
| 04:46.02 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: They'll go into Debian after sarge is released... that's mostly what they've been waiting for |
| 04:46.10 | Guerin | i tried xorg a while ago, and it was fucking unusable |
| 04:46.20 | WhiteRabbit | _joey, when was the last router reboot? |
| 04:46.24 | Guerin | on my admittedly ancient hardware, but where xfree runs perfectly |
| 04:46.33 | Wyzard | Guerin: It seems to work fine on my Gentoo system, and in Ubuntu when I tried it out |
| 04:46.36 | _joey | WhiteRabbit Yesterday |
| 04:46.46 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:46.59 | WhiteRabbit | _joey, using the default firmware? |
| 04:47.00 | _joey | WhiteRabbit I am also using WPA encryption |
| 04:47.06 | _joey | WhiteRabbit yep |
| 04:47.10 | WhiteRabbit | _joey, what str |
| 04:47.19 | _joey | sorry ? |
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| 04:47.26 | Guerin | Wyzard: i think it has a much higher resource overhead than xfree - not necessaril noticeable on a modern system with a good gpu, but on a ~1997 laptop, it's appalling |
| 04:47.46 | _joey | WhiteRabbit wpasupplicant is debian's package |
| 04:47.49 | Guerin | that said |
| 04:47.53 | Guerin | this was a few months ago |
| 04:48.07 | WhiteRabbit | _joey, whats the key length |
| 04:48.17 | joeinspirit | Well so far the ubuntu "upgrade" "downgrade" whatever you want to call it is working. apt-get finished looks like I'll have to manually update x |
| 04:48.43 | Wyzard | Guerin: Not surprising, but at the same time, I wouldn't fault xorg for it... ensuring support for 8-year-old hardware doesn't need to be a priority in new software development |
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| 04:48.56 | WhiteRabbit | _joey, 64bit or 128bit? |
| 04:49.01 | Guerin | Wyzard: true. |
| 04:49.28 | _joey | WhiteRabbit preshared key for authentication, it accepts ascii cahr by default |
| 04:49.39 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: Note that if you do an in-place Debian->Ubuntu, the result is neither proper Debian nor proper Ubuntu, and you'll have trouble getting support for it in either project's IRC channel |
| 04:49.44 | _joey | about 64 bits it would be |
| 04:50.20 | joeinspirit | Question: Anyone know if when upgrading from xfree to xorg, a person should remove the xfree before or after installing xorg? |
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| 04:50.23 | WhiteRabbit | _joey, I had that problem once when setting up a wireless in a huge house I just used extra long ants & 2 repeaters to fix the packet erroring over the distance |
| 04:50.28 | Guerin | before |
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| 04:51.27 | _joey | If I ever build a new house I'd wire it properly |
| 04:51.48 | WhiteRabbit | _joey, is it a older house with older paint that may contain lead? |
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| 04:51.52 | joeinspirit | In answer to my own question, it works to first install xorg then remove xfree. |
| 04:52.16 | Wyzard | joeinspirit: It's probably safer to remove xfree first |
| 04:52.18 | Guerin | joeinspirit: that wasn't your question: the question was what SHOULD you do :) |
| 04:52.25 | _joey | WhiteRabbit it's reasonably new, gyprox walls with insulation |
| 04:52.38 | liable | joeinspirit: /join #debuntu :) |
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| 04:53.08 | WhiteRabbit | _joey, live near a plant or anything with high voltage or you live near a ham operator? |
| 04:53.25 | _joey | :)) |
| 04:53.32 | WhiteRabbit | ah |
| 04:53.38 | _joey | we've got microwave at home |
| 04:54.04 | _joey | av av sender using similar band of frequencies |
| 04:54.32 | WhiteRabbit | reseat the card then check the drivers & the app is the last resort then |
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| 04:55.50 | daesotho | so i just installed debian with the testing netboot cd |
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| 04:56.33 | WhiteRabbit | well that sucks first time I saw a image bypass in thunderbird that was weird heh |
| 04:56.35 | daesotho | i hear you guys want installation reports; this was a fairly standard installation on 1386 |
| 04:56.43 | _joey | quite an exercise :) |
| 04:57.34 | daesotho | the linux26 installer option crashed because of acpi |
| 04:57.48 | Guerin | daesotho: send the insstallation report in. the template should be in /root/ |
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| 04:58.07 | Guerin | that sounds pretty standard for acpi |
| 04:58.20 | gogo3or | how to compile new thing in apache e.i curl? |
| 04:58.25 | Guerin | to this day, I have to boot with acpi=off if I want my usb to work |
| 04:58.33 | daesotho | heh |
| 04:58.34 | Guerin | gogo3or: ask #apache |
| 04:58.42 | gogo3or | Guerin: they sleep |
| 04:58.43 | Guerin | gogo3or: we tol you to do this already. |
| 04:58.56 | Guerin | gogo3or: so? |
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| 04:59.11 | Guerin | gogo3or: wait. Or read httpd.apache.org, or ask in #slackware |
| 04:59.13 | gogo3or | so I'm asking hier |
| 04:59.24 | jasoncohen | i installed kernel 2.6 on two systems without specifying a acpi option without any problems |
| 04:59.33 | jasoncohen | just did linux26 |
| 04:59.33 | Guerin | gogo3or: apt-get install php4-curl |
| 04:59.37 | gogo3or | i know |
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| 05:05.58 | namnar | hello |
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| 05:06.02 | WhiteRabbit | hi |
| 05:07.13 | WhiteRabbit | http://www.snapple.com/ click on a top link |
| 05:07.24 | deadcat | die mother fucker die. (= |
| 05:07.44 | WhiteRabbit | I Like a Cola :) |
| 05:07.47 | deadcat | WhiteRabbit: stop spamming |
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| 05:08.32 | lexxan | What's good port scanner? |
| 05:08.40 | WhiteRabbit | choose your words carefully retoocs |
| 05:08.46 | Wyzard | lexxan: nmap |
| 05:08.48 | Guerin | lexxan: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be scanning ports |
| 05:09.03 | lexxan | Guerin, is that any of your business? |
| 05:09.08 | Guerin | lexxan: yes. |
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| 05:09.22 | lexxan | no. |
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| 05:09.36 | drp | scooter backwards |
| 05:09.37 | Guerin | lexxan: you asked in a public channel. i answered. Deal. |
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| 05:09.47 | namnar | hello |
| 05:09.55 | lexxan | Yeah I didn't ask for your opinion on what i'm doing |
| 05:10.00 | nano | how do I change my setting, so that my debian will not boot with x windows? (what file do I need to configure) |
| 05:10.19 | Guerin | lexxan: and yes, you using potentially harmful tools you a) don't know about and b) don't know how to use IS my fucking business. |
| 05:10.19 | Wyzard | nano: Uninstall the display manager (xdm, gdm, or kdm, whichever you're using) |
| 05:10.25 | daesotho | i installed 2.4 because i was going to have to recompile 2.6 anyway to be able to use my gigabit ethernet card |
| 05:10.35 | Wyzard | Guerin: A port scanner is potentially harmful? |
| 05:10.41 | lexxan | no it really isn't |
| 05:10.52 | Guerin | depends how it's used |
| 05:10.55 | nano | Wyzard: do I need to change anything in /etc/initrd? |
| 05:11.06 | Wyzard | nano: No, initrds have nothing to do with X |
| 05:11.07 | daesotho | but apparently you can't use 2.6 unless you originally installed it? |
| 05:11.07 | nonix4 | Or in another words: if the compiled-in serial driver reserves a whole bunch of ports beyond the actually useful 2f8, how to free the rest? |
| 05:11.19 | nano | Wyzard: will try it, thanks for help |
| 05:11.39 | Wyzard | daesotho: No, not true, and you're not making sense... you installed 2.4 because you needed 2.6? |
| 05:11.48 | lexxan | Guerin, I think you should get outside more often =] |
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| 05:11.59 | Guerin | lexxan: you can think what you like, mate. |
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| 05:12.15 | lexxan | Anyway thanks nmap worked perfect |
| 05:12.17 | daesotho | i installed 2.4 because 2.6 wouldn't boot |
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| 05:12.41 | lexxan | I'm trying to figure out how the fuck my pason computer at work is connecting to the server with java |
| 05:12.42 | Wyzard | daesotho: Did you compile the 2.6 yourself, or did you install one of the kernel packages that Debian provides? |
| 05:12.50 | daesotho | but i just compiled a 2.6 and it won't boot either |
| 05:13.08 | Wyzard | daesotho: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 05:13.19 | Wyzard | daesotho: Replace 386 with 686 or k7 or whatever processor you have |
| 05:13.24 | __zao__ | i want a crontab-cronjob to run as a certain user and run a script of him. for that i want his env to be loaded. i thought one would do that with: '/usr/bin/env /some/script'. but that doesnt create the env |
| 05:13.29 | __zao__ | what then? |
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| 05:14.27 | Guerin | __zao__: source his bashrc or profile in the script |
| 05:14.34 | daesotho | Wyzard: does that kernel have the driver for the via velocity gigabit chip? |
| 05:14.43 | lexxan | Does anyone here know anything about blueheat ppp? |
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| 05:14.53 | Guerin | __zao__: but doesn't crontab -e as user do just this? |
| 05:14.58 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 05:14.59 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 05:15.04 | __zao__ | guerin: thats an option, but i remember havin red s/t with that /usr/bin/env stuff |
| 05:15.08 | Wyzard | daesotho: Probably... it has most drivers built |
| 05:15.09 | Jayparadise | hey i just installed debian...its hung up when lilo boots the kernel |
| 05:15.12 | trand | can aptitude remove all packages installed with before, or only some depended package? |
| 05:15.14 | __zao__ | guerin: crontab -e is forbidden |
| 05:15.24 | daesotho | Wyzard: thanks |
| 05:15.32 | lexxan | Guerin, You're so slick =] |
| 05:15.35 | Jayparadise | i think i heard that using a netinstall disk will cause it to take a long time to boot initially |
| 05:16.04 | Wyzard | Jayparadise: lilo doesn't care what type of disk you installed from |
| 05:16.10 | trand | i thinks dselect can remove some dependede packages. i like to remove a package and othere all packages installed together at that time |
| 05:16.23 | Guerin | Jayparadise: why did you install debian woody? |
| 05:16.37 | Wyzard | Jayparadise: The installer itself would take longer to load from a floppy disk, because floppy disks are slow... is that what you meant? |
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| 05:16.43 | Jayparadise | well, yea i doubt its boot loaders fault |
| 05:16.47 | Wyzard | Guerin: Because it's the current stable release? :-) |
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| 05:16.55 | Jayparadise | though it could be partitioning |
| 05:17.07 | Jayparadise | i got a sarge loader |
| 05:17.22 | Guerin | Jayparadise: better to use sarge, since it's about to stabilise. |
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| 05:17.24 | Davey | is there any list of the network cards support by the debian netinst CD image? I would like to know if it will support my PCMCIA Wireless D-Link DWL-650 |
| 05:17.24 | Guerin | trand: start using aptitude, or use debfoster |
| 05:17.26 | Wyzard | Jayparadise: Sarge uses GRUB, not LILO |
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| 05:17.51 | Jayparadise | this is my first time using debian othre than knoppix |
| 05:18.00 | Jayparadise | initially it did |
| 05:18.09 | Jayparadise | and i think i screwed up when i over rode it with lilo |
| 05:18.10 | trand | Guerin, thanks. aptitude can do this feature that i want? |
| 05:18.14 | Jayparadise | i found anoption to change it |
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| 05:18.43 | shivraj | Jayparadise you should change your name to jeopardise |
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| 05:19.49 | Guerin | trand: yeah, but only for packages installed with aptitude. Start using it and it'll work for future packages. |
| 05:20.03 | Jayparadise | i guess i picked the wrong kernel |
| 05:20.14 | Jayparadise | they had a lot listed i chose an snp |
| 05:20.22 | Guerin | trand: you CAN use dselect or aptitude's ncurses UI to delete packages, but debfoster is probably better |
| 05:20.44 | Wyzard | Jayparadise: The SMP kernels should work, even on a non-SMP system, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to choose a non-SMP kernel initially and then install an SMP one later |
| 05:20.48 | shivraj | Guerin: I had to reinstall debian, I have a base sytem with bitchx and sudo installed, I think thats all I really need, no X and all of that stuff |
| 05:21.19 | trand | Guerin, thanks again. =] |
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| 05:23.59 | Jayparadise | yea dude this is definately sarge |
| 05:24.09 | Jayparadise | a prompt just verified that |
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| 05:24.36 | bwlang | i'm trying to replicate a production environment for testing. i've added an interface to my test box with the ip address of the ISP's router ... the device under test had a default gateway of that IP... the test box has a route back - what am i missing? |
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| 05:24.47 | namnar | hello |
| 05:25.00 | Wyzard | Jayparadise: So far all you've said about your actual problem is that the kernel apparently hangs at some unspecified point during startup |
| 05:25.11 | james__ | Does using LVM (linux volume management) affect hard drive performance, at all? I will be using a 10K sata drive. |
| 05:25.26 | lexxan | is there a package for java to work with firefox? |
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| 05:25.37 | YaleR | what is the shutdown option for power down? |
| 05:25.37 | james__ | lexxan, yes... |
| 05:25.39 | Jayparadise | i havent loooked into lvm |
| 05:25.40 | bwlang | james__: a tiny bit... but it's hardly worth it for a single drive system. |
| 05:25.46 | lexxan | ok |
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| 05:25.48 | Jayparadise | ive had numerous disasters with partitions |
| 05:25.52 | lexxan | which one is it? |
| 05:26.01 | lexxan | or do I have to make-jpkg first with a bin |
| 05:26.02 | Wyzard | james__: There's slightly more CPU overhead in a disk access because the physical disk location has to be looked up, but it should be negligible |
| 05:26.16 | james__ | lexxan, i believe the blackdown packages install a plugin for mozilla |
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| 05:26.27 | james__ | lexxan, just find the plugin, and give firefox a symbolic link |
| 05:26.30 | liable | YaleR: halt, shutdown |
| 05:26.38 | Wyzard | james__: If you expand and shrink your LVs a lot you might get fragmentation, which could reduce performance a bit, but it's possible to fix that with some use of pvmove to rearrange |
| 05:26.54 | james__ | Wyzard, do you think it would be worth it? |
| 05:26.57 | YaleR | liable: I don't want to use halt |
| 05:27.04 | liable | why not? |
| 05:27.11 | Wyzard | james__: If you have a need which would be met by LVM, then by all means do use it |
| 05:27.14 | YaleR | I use shutdown -r for reboot, what is the powerdown option, do you know? |
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| 05:27.22 | Wyzard | YaleR: -h, for "halt" |
| 05:27.31 | liable | YaleR: shutdown -h |
| 05:27.34 | YaleR | why do they call it halt? |
| 05:27.48 | liable | halt -> stop I spose |
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| 05:27.50 | james__ | YaleR, because it brings your computer to a halt ;) |
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| 05:28.04 | daesotho | Wyzard: thanks!!! |
| 05:28.10 | YaleR | alright then... :s |
| 05:28.11 | daesotho | it all works nov |
| 05:28.11 | YaleR | lol |
| 05:28.15 | Wyzard | YaleR: Because halting the system is what shutdown actually does... automatic poweroff is done by the APM driver if it's available, otherwise you'll just get a message saying "system halted" and you can turn off the power switch |
| 05:28.19 | daesotho | *now |
| 05:28.25 | bwlang | james__: i only use lvm when i need to do snapshotting for backups or i need to hold some disk space in reserve. on a single disk system (since you'd be crazy to put a single disk system into multiuser production use) you probably don't have those concerns |
| 05:28.37 | daesotho | ^_^ i love debian |
| 05:28.44 | YaleR | Wyzard: well, if gdm does it, I should have APM right? |
| 05:28.57 | Wyzard | YaleR: Considering that gdm just runs shutdown, yes |
| 05:29.00 | onie_cHAN | i juz install linux knoppix,but it dont detect my pci modem,can anyone help he? |
| 05:29.07 | Wyzard | onie_cHAN: #knoppix |
| 05:29.09 | james__ | YaleR, yes |
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| 05:29.19 | YaleR | shweet, you guys rock late nights... |
| 05:29.33 | YaleR | keep on rocking in the free world, thanks for the help |
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| 05:29.49 | Wyzard | james__: I use LVM in my desktop system across three drives totaling 440GB, and I find it quite useful |
| 05:29.51 | bwlang | nobody sees a problem with my network on network setup? i don't understand why packets are not passing... |
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| 05:30.44 | james__ | bwlang, are you trying to foward packets? |
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| 05:31.44 | bwlang | james__: nah... i'm just trying to make my test computer look like my isp's router so i can test this new firewall device. |
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| 05:32.35 | namnar | hello |
| 05:32.42 | bwlang | i notice that route -n says iface eth0 instead of eth0:0 ... anybody know what that's about? |
| 05:32.44 | shivraj | anyone know how to change the xterm font to the XbitchX font ? |
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| 05:33.13 | liable | namnar: what are you |
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| 05:40.04 | CrypticSquared | morning |
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| 05:41.49 | kjparker | liable, what makes you say that |
| 05:42.26 | rorot | can anybody tell me how to save tty2 buffer to a file on console ? |
| 05:43.01 | liable | kjparker: cause, every time it logs in, it says hello, and that is it, if you are in #fllod, have a look in there |
| 05:43.11 | liable | flood even |
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| 05:43.38 | kjparker | i am now |
| 05:43.46 | kjparker | wanna paste? |
| 05:43.56 | liable | ok, one sec |
| 05:45.56 | technos | It probably does other things. The hello is just "Look at me ma! Bot is working fine!" |
| 05:46.11 | liable | dunno, prolly a trolling bot for emails or whatver |
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| 05:47.13 | Jayparadise | ok im at that kernel screen again with like 50 |
| 05:47.21 | CrypticSquared | hey just wondering what everyones favorite window manager is? |
| 05:47.40 | Jayparadise | kernel-image-2.2.20 kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 05:47.43 | zinx | !start a window manager war |
| 05:47.43 | dpkg | enlightenment blows! |
| 05:47.46 | Jayparadise | how the hell am i supposed ot know wihch one |
| 05:48.10 | CrypticSquared | lol zinx nah someone told me about a cool one but a forgot its name |
| 05:48.16 | liable | Jayparadise: you installing woody? |
| 05:48.36 | CrypticSquared | sick of fluxbox |
| 05:48.46 | zinx | CrypticSquared: can you describe it? |
| 05:48.48 | Jayparadise | i may be |
| 05:48.55 | Jayparadise | the package said sarge |
| 05:49.02 | CrypticSquared | zinx, kinda like osx, with dock and desktop icons |
| 05:49.07 | Jayparadise | but someone else said sounds like im describing woody |
| 05:49.08 | Wyzard | Jayparadise: sarge ships with 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 05:49.14 | Jayparadise | this does |
| 05:49.17 | liable | Jayparadise: well, 2.2 is a woody kernel |
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| 05:49.24 | Wyzard | Jayparadise: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:49.27 | Jayparadise | but the readme says 2.6 is unstable on this netinst |
| 05:49.48 | zinx | CrypticSquared: hmm, i dunno of one, but hopefully someone else in here does |
| 05:50.16 | Wyzard | Jayparadise: 2.6 works fine |
| 05:50.23 | Jayparadise | i guess im about done now tho |
| 05:50.27 | liable | Jayparadise: you saying there is a 2.2 kernel on the sarge install cd? |
| 05:50.27 | Jayparadise | its installed |
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| 05:50.33 | Jayparadise | says reboot |
| 05:50.33 | CrypticSquared | i remember the homepage was a light blue if that helps?? :) |
| 05:51.35 | Jayparadise | ok here goes, 3rd try is a charm |
| 05:51.49 | Jayparadise | damnoit |
| 05:52.11 | Jayparadise | filesystem tyope unknown |
| 05:53.10 | liable | Jayparadise: oops, how did you manage that? |
| 05:53.27 | james__ | CrypticSquared, xffwm ;) |
| 05:53.59 | liable | Jayparadise: can you give me a url, where you got the cd? the exact one? |
| 05:54.34 | moyix | CrypticSquared, maybe you're thinking of xfce? |
| 05:55.03 | Jayparadise | well now i need a grub url |
| 05:55.04 | CrypticSquared | xfce thanks :) |
| 05:55.15 | Jayparadise | windows nor debian will boot |
| 05:55.16 | Wyzard | Jayparadise: Why a URL? |
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| 05:55.20 | liable | a what |
| 05:55.39 | technos | Mmmm. ZZTop, Lucky Strikes, instant ramen, and Red Bull. The real breakfast of champions. |
| 05:55.46 | Jayparadise | i thought i had grub figured out |
| 05:56.24 | james__ | CrypticSquared, xfce 4.2 is in experimental... it works really well |
| 05:56.28 | adexta | technos: you forgot the kindbud |
| 05:56.51 | Wyzard | Jayparadise: Are you trying to reconfigure it or something? As installed by the Debian installer, it should work fine. |
| 05:57.12 | Jayparadise | no i didnt reconfigure it |
| 05:57.35 | Wyzard | Jayparadise: Anyway, if you're installing, you should install sarge, not woody |
| 05:57.36 | WhiteRabbit | Mmm Korn, pall mall, maruchan, and amp. The real breakfast of champions. |
| 05:58.12 | james__ | mmm, number 10 nails, the *true* breakfast of champions |
| 05:58.14 | Wyzard | Jayparadise: sarge is planned to be formally released in a little over a week... there's not much reason to use woody in a new install |
| 05:59.03 | Jayparadise | yea |
| 05:59.05 | Jayparadise | brb |
| 05:59.06 | liable | hmmm, a glass of milk, a joint and pink floyd, I wanna go back to bed :) |
| 05:59.12 | kjparker | by the same token, is there any reason i shouldn't upgrade (a non critical box) to sid? |
| 05:59.15 | technos | WhiteRabbit: Maruchan! You traitor! Nissin > all. |
| 05:59.17 | adexta | liable: damn straight. |
| 05:59.21 | kjparker | given sid will be etch shortly? |
| 05:59.22 | furrywolf | hmm, you people are all wierd. :P |
| 05:59.25 | adexta | smack ramen is the best |
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| 06:00.03 | james__ | kjparker, sid won't have the 10 day release delay |
| 06:00.45 | Wyzard | kjparker: I don't think there's any more or less reason to upgrade to sid now than at any other time |
| 06:01.06 | adexta | so, my sound does not work |
| 06:01.10 | WhiteRabbit | technos, candidat! I am! Ricer < all. |
| 06:01.23 | adexta | i recently upgraded from the 2.4 to the 2.6 kernel |
| 06:01.24 | james__ | adexta, what's wrong? |
| 06:01.43 | adexta | it was troublesome getting it to work in the first place |
| 06:01.44 | shivraj | how can I remove downloaded .deb files ? |
| 06:01.53 | james__ | shivrag, apt-get clean |
| 06:01.59 | james__ | shivraj, apt-get clean |
| 06:02.01 | kjparker | delete them? :) |
| 06:02.07 | adexta | before, the command that fixed it was "apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386" |
| 06:02.07 | furrywolf | I've heard reed's makes ginger ice cream... I so have to try a carton. |
| 06:02.19 | adexta | james__: don't you use tab completion for nicks? |
| 06:02.27 | liable | adexta: rerun alsaconf, see what it says |
| 06:02.36 | adexta | as root? |
| 06:02.36 | Wyzard | adexta: ALSA is integrated into 2.6 so you don't need a separate modules package like you did with 2.4 |
| 06:02.41 | liable | adexta: yup |
| 06:03.06 | james__ | adexta, sometimes it doesn't work |
| 06:03.44 | adexta | liable: okay |
| 06:03.45 | adexta | probing |
| 06:03.54 | adexta | Probing legacy cards.. This may take a few minutes.. |
| 06:04.46 | shivraj | james__ : thanks |
| 06:05.03 | shivraj | james__ : my tiny 11 gig hd, doesnt have a lot of space |
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| 06:05.55 | adexta | shivraj: i have a 20 |
| 06:05.59 | adexta | and most of it is mp3's |
| 06:06.23 | adexta | okay, i think it's working |
| 06:06.26 | adexta | kjparker: haha! |
| 06:06.27 | CrypticSquared | does anyone know how to find out the monitors h/v frequency when there are no docs available? |
| 06:06.29 | kjparker | it is an old clunker laptop though |
| 06:06.56 | adexta | CrypticSquared: you could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:06.59 | Wyzard | CrypticSquared: If it's not ancient, the XFree86 startup log will probably have that info when it probes it from the monitor via EDID |
| 06:07.04 | shivraj | 11 is a enough, but with all of these nice debian packages, I think its gonna be gone soon |
| 06:07.05 | adexta | and see what the detected values are |
| 06:07.10 | james__ | i have a 60 gb for debian, 20 gb for windows (and adobe premiere) |
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| 06:07.13 | shivraj | I think my /home partition is too big 4 gigs |
| 06:07.15 | CrypticSquared | a cool thanks Wyzard |
| 06:07.20 | adexta | shivraj: data expands to fill available space |
| 06:07.21 | Karnaugh | I swear they are legal |
| 06:07.24 | adexta | Karnaugh: nice. |
| 06:07.25 | gushi | hello all... |
| 06:07.33 | shivraj | Karnaugh : I work for the RIAA |
| 06:07.39 | adexta | i borrow, rip, and return |
| 06:07.40 | gushi | Is there an easy utility to tweak what things run at startup in debian? |
| 06:07.41 | Wyzard | CrypticSquared: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 06:07.41 | liable | haha |
| 06:07.48 | Overand | Karnaugh: pisspoor |
| 06:07.51 | Wyzard | CrypticSquared: Not all monitors provide it, though |
| 06:07.51 | Overand | Karnaugh: use flac |
| 06:07.55 | CrypticSquared | yeah didnt think to try there Wyzard |
| 06:07.56 | liable | gushi: sysvconfig |
| 06:07.59 | Karnaugh | shivraj: I could care - I'm not in America |
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| 06:08.04 | Overand | when i convery my CDs, I do them to FLAC files |
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| 06:08.10 | furrywolf | Karnaugh: if you like classic rock, and want to further your collection, I've got about 80gb... |
| 06:08.13 | shivraj | Karnaugh : im kidding |
| 06:08.20 | Overand | itunes store isn't an option - lossy music? i think not. |
| 06:08.32 | Karnaugh | Overand: yea well, portable mp3 players dont play funny formats like Flac and OGG |
| 06:08.34 | adexta | what's a good mixer? |
| 06:08.40 | liable | alsamixer |
| 06:08.44 | adexta | for 2.6? |
| 06:08.49 | Overand | Karnaugh: that's funny, MINE does |
| 06:08.50 | liable | yeah |
| 06:08.50 | Wyzard | Karnaugh: You can recompress from FLAC to MP3 |
| 06:09.01 | Overand | i listen to FLAC files on my portable player all the time |
| 06:09.04 | Overand | and it plays ogg vorbis too |
| 06:09.06 | Karnaugh | Wyzard: what is the point of that? |
| 06:09.09 | Overand | so obviously you're full of crap |
| 06:09.11 | Karnaugh | Overand: River? |
| 06:09.15 | liable | haha |
| 06:09.15 | Overand | Rio Karma |
| 06:09.21 | Karnaugh | ahh |
| 06:09.25 | Overand | and i think you mean 'iRiver' |
| 06:09.29 | Karnaugh | Overand: well all the ones we get here, dont play them |
| 06:09.30 | Wyzard | Karnaugh: You keep the "archival" copy of your music in FLAC, and make MP3 for the sake of your portable player |
| 06:09.41 | Overand | Karnaugh: yes, obviously you can't get someone to ship a rio karma overseas... |
| 06:09.45 | Karnaugh | Wyzard: that sounds like a hell of alot of work |
| 06:09.45 | Overand | Wyzard: that's a good bet |
| 06:09.50 | Overand | Karnaugh: only if you're an idiot |
| 06:10.03 | Overand | guh |
| 06:10.04 | Overand | sorry |
| 06:10.05 | Overand | that was uncalled for |
| 06:10.07 | Karnaugh | wow, you're just full of usefull things to say |
| 06:10.09 | Overand | yeah sorry |
| 06:10.14 | Wyzard | Karnaugh: Not really... you can write scripts to do it, and such scripts probably exist already |
| 06:10.25 | Overand | can we start that over? |
| 06:10.35 | Overand | i'd say th eproblem with converting is simply maintaining the metadata |
| 06:10.40 | Karnaugh | Wyzard: true - I just find 256K mp3's good enough for my poor hearing |
| 06:11.00 | Wyzard | Karnaugh: Quality-wise, I agree, but when I say "archival", I mean archival |
| 06:11.11 | Overand | Karnaugh: the fun part is the 'glitches' between tracks on most mp3 encodings |
| 06:11.12 | Karnaugh | Wyzard: most digital audio players have such bad D-A i cant tell |
| 06:11.19 | Overand | Karnaugh: no kidding |
| 06:11.25 | Overand | and the headphone amp on the iPod... don't even get me started |
| 06:11.33 | Overand | i can drive my sennheiser HD-650 phones off of my rio karma, baaaaarely |
| 06:11.34 | furrywolf | karnaugh: you mean 1-bit DACs aren't good? :P |
| 06:11.43 | Overand | but if you plug them into an ipod, don't even try |
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| 06:11.55 | Overand | (of course, i usually use a portable headphone amp with them) |
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| 06:12.06 | Karnaugh | Overand: gees, those are a high impedance headphones |
| 06:12.11 | Overand | Karnaugh: yeah |
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| 06:12.16 | Overand | the rio has a very decent headphone amp |
| 06:12.23 | Overand | it's a bit bass-weak due to the impedence mismatching |
| 06:12.23 | nunez | I'm trying to mount my USB external HDs and they say that their mounted already, which isnt true. They worked before I rebooted with the same kernel? |
| 06:12.27 | Karnaugh | my HD-200 sound nice on just about anything i've plugged them into |
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| 06:12.33 | Overand | so i don't make a habit of using them straight like that |
| 06:12.35 | furrywolf | s/cat/car |
| 06:12.36 | furrywolf | lol |
| 06:12.43 | tremere | when i run "insmod usbcore" (using Mepis) it says that the file or directory couldn't be found. why won't it let me load the module? |
| 06:12.44 | james__ | nunez, are they in /etc/fstab? |
| 06:12.46 | Overand | furrywolf: and a noise floor to match, even if it's OFF |
| 06:12.52 | Overand | furrywolf: loud != good |
| 06:12.55 | nunez | james__: yup |
| 06:13.10 | shivraj | furrywolf : i agree, my neighbor was going to sell his house |
| 06:13.12 | Overand | i'll bet my headphones sound substantially better than your car |
| 06:13.17 | furrywolf | overand: heh. I don't crank it up. I doubt I've ever used 1/10th the power it can put out. |
| 06:13.18 | Karnaugh | nunez: umount the device? |
| 06:13.23 | cat | tremere, try modprobe insmod |
| 06:13.30 | Overand | that being said i'e heard some decent car stereos |
| 06:13.32 | nunez | Karnaugh: yeah, did fsck also |
| 06:13.37 | Overand | but the noise floor is sooooo high... |
| 06:13.40 | james__ | nunez, did you mount as root and try to read as non-root? |
| 06:13.45 | tremere | cat, that didn't show up, either. |
| 06:13.46 | nunez | Karnaugh: Funny how I go, umount , then mount their both contradiciting |
| 06:13.52 | cat | tremere, what kernel? |
| 06:13.59 | nunez | james__: nope |
| 06:14.03 | furrywolf | overand: it'll be a close call. I keep my Toa studio monitors in the back if I want quality sound. (sure, they're 8 ohms, but the amp still doesn't get anywhere near clipping) |
| 06:14.09 | Overand | yeah |
| 06:14.14 | Overand | you can usually pull that |
| 06:14.21 | tremere | cat, i'm new to linux....not sure what kernel i'm using....i just received Mepis cd's about two weeks ago |
| 06:14.25 | Overand | I'd love to put a pair of active studio monitors in a car |
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| 06:14.32 | Overand | like a pair of HR-824s |
| 06:14.32 | cat | tremere, try uname -r |
| 06:14.39 | furrywolf | I could put my L-100s in, but they take up a heck of a lot of room. :) |
| 06:14.41 | nunez | Overand: MB Quartz ;) |
| 06:14.41 | tremere | 2.6.10 |
| 06:14.50 | Overand | hey now, let's not go crazy |
| 06:15.02 | cat | tremere, go to #mepis and ask there |
| 06:15.04 | Overand | 'i have a 4 way genelec setup in my car' |
| 06:15.07 | nunez | Overand: I love mine |
| 06:15.11 | tremere | cat, i did :) |
| 06:15.19 | Karnaugh | I've got a radio-tape in my car :D |
| 06:15.21 | furrywolf | overand: ever hear a pair of JBL L-100s with the good crossovers? |
| 06:15.23 | Karnaugh | :/ |
| 06:15.23 | Overand | nunez: may i suggest you install debian? |
| 06:15.24 | liable | tremere: lesson 1) dont ask for mepis help in #debian 2) install debian |
| 06:15.26 | adexta | sound still isn't working |
| 06:15.27 | Overand | furrywolf: not sure |
| 06:15.32 | Overand | lemme see what they look like |
| 06:15.33 | tremere | cat, all i got was "have you tried digikam?" :) |
| 06:15.40 | nunez | Overand: Thats what Im running lol |
| 06:15.45 | furrywolf | ~30 years old and still sound better than anything you can buy for less than 5 grand... |
| 06:15.51 | tremere | liable, please don't be a smartass. Mepis is based off Debian, did you know that? |
| 06:15.57 | Overand | furrywolf: old doesn't mean bad =] |
| 06:15.57 | cat | tremere, interesting try looking at some manuals (: |
| 06:16.04 | Karnaugh | dpkg: knoppix |
| 06:16.04 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or no more debian then mandrake is redhat. |
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| 06:16.06 | Overand | pick up a pair of used electrostatic speakers and get a new panel |
| 06:16.08 | Overand | *poof* |
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| 06:16.25 | TwistedEmotions | How do I set it up so in consule when I type foo it runs a different command... in this case "links -dump " |
| 06:16.29 | adexta | woot |
| 06:16.32 | adexta | i'm a genius |
| 06:16.37 | furrywolf | overand: http://www.audioheritage.org/html/profiles/jbl/l100.htm |
| 06:16.47 | Overand | yeah i just googled it |
| 06:17.01 | Overand | I don't think I've heard these, no |
| 06:17.06 | james__ | i have a pioner sx-203 hooked up to my computer |
| 06:17.14 | furrywolf | they don't have a photo of the inside, but the magnet on the back of the midrange weighs about 10lbs... |
| 06:17.15 | james__ | it's 2x75w. i paid $5 for it |
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| 06:17.35 | Overand | wow those are some UGLY grilles |
| 06:17.57 | furrywolf | they are CLEAR. absolutely perfect sound. everything else you can get for less than the cost of a car sounds muddy compared to them. :) |
| 06:18.24 | nunez | I have a pair of JBL Monitors in my apts in tally |
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| 06:19.12 | nunez | Nobody knows why mount says that my USB HD is already mounted and its not? |
| 06:19.16 | nunez | Im stuck |
| 06:19.24 | james__ | nunez, umount it |
| 06:20.01 | liable | why do you think it isnt mounted? |
| 06:20.42 | nunez | james__: Its not mounted lol |
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| 06:20.52 | nunez | liable: Because I've checked |
| 06:21.02 | nunez | Hope you can tell me it is, so I can umount it |
| 06:21.30 | liable | well, try lsof |grep /the/dev |
| 06:21.53 | liable | or /the/mountpoint |
| 06:22.15 | nunez | liable: nothing |
| 06:22.29 | nunez | Yet, I can go fsck /the/mountpoint and it works |
| 06:22.59 | liable | well, then it is mounted, yes? |
| 06:23.15 | furrywolf | overand: don't worry, not a single one of the original grills has survived to the 21st century. :) |
| 06:23.21 | muaddib | Has anyone every had issue with a transfer a file to a server and the system just crashed. It seems that when I transfer an iso image from one machine to the other via ssh after 28 seconds the system crashes and I have to reboot. The only thing I have been able to observe that alerts me to the problem is during the transfer throuput drops significally until the system freezes |
| 06:23.27 | nunez | bitch |
| 06:23.29 | liable | nunez: what does umount say when you run it? |
| 06:23.34 | muaddib | Any thoughts as to what it could be I am running the 2.6 kernel |
| 06:23.42 | nunez | liable: I just unplugged it and its goign to a different /dev/ now |
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| 06:23.56 | nunez | liable: nothing, acts like it unmounted it |
| 06:24.05 | nunez | liable: For some reason its changing /dev now |
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| 06:24.10 | Overand | muaddib: if i were you, i'd try with the 2.4 kernel to see if it's a kernel issue... |
| 06:24.22 | Nigel | account off |
| 06:24.31 | muaddib | Overand: I have and someone recommeded going to 2.6 |
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| 06:24.39 | Nigel | oppps, sorry guys |
| 06:24.46 | Overand | muaddib: does it happen on 2.4 *and* 2.6? |
| 06:25.21 | muaddib | 3Overand: yes |
| 06:25.30 | dabreegster | muaddib: can it transfer smaller files ok? |
| 06:25.40 | muaddib | dabreegster: Yeah just fine |
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| 06:26.04 | furrywolf | muaddib: try another NIC? I had a crappy one once with similar symptoms. |
| 06:26.15 | shivraj | after you unpack the kernel whats next ? |
| 06:26.15 | nunez | Why would it suddenly change in /dev? |
| 06:26.20 | shivraj | make menuconfig ?? |
| 06:26.23 | shivraj | or ./configure |
| 06:26.25 | shivraj | ?? |
| 06:26.43 | furrywolf | nunez: by suddenly, do you mean when you unplugged it? that hardly counts as suddenly. |
| 06:26.47 | liable | shivraj: if you need to ask that, dont compile one. |
| 06:27.01 | Overand | 3overand? |
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| 06:27.01 | Overand | hm |
| 06:27.03 | Overand | that's odd |
| 06:27.23 | Wyzard | shivraj: Install one of Debian's kernel-image packages |
| 06:27.49 | muaddib | Overand: Typed a little too fast |
| 06:28.17 | muaddib | furrywolf: If it was a device problem I wouldn't see this happening on both transfers big and small |
| 06:28.25 | dabreegster | muaddib: are you using your client's tab complete? |
| 06:28.25 | shivraj | Wyzard : I installed one and it didnt have support for me mouse |
| 06:28.31 | Overand | muaddib: not neccesarily |
| 06:28.34 | Overand | run memtest86 |
| 06:28.34 | Wyzard | shivraj: What kind of mouse? |
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| 06:28.43 | shivraj | ibm t20 |
| 06:29.00 | Wyzard | shivraj: Do you mean the built-in mouse in a ThinkPad T20? |
| 06:29.02 | muaddib | Overand: are you asking me to memtest86 |
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| 06:29.05 | shivraj | yeah |
| 06:29.13 | Wyzard | That's a plain PS/2 mose |
| 06:29.18 | Wyzard | modprobe psmouse |
| 06:29.19 | liable | shivraj: bah, its in the standard kernel. |
| 06:29.30 | Overand | muaddib: yes, i'd say that's a good idea |
| 06:29.57 | furrywolf | overand: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50597&item=5777362230&rd=1 <== the midranges out of the L-100s. there's more magnet and more cast aluminum than I've seen on some 1000 watt subwoofers. :) |
| 06:30.05 | technos | Hrm.. This SCSI drive sounds like a freaking Dremel tool. |
| 06:30.15 | liable | shivraj: you just installed on it? |
| 06:30.20 | Overand | yeesh |
| 06:30.21 | Overand | that's nuts |
| 06:31.03 | shivraj | liable, no I tried modprobe psmouse all of that and it still wouldn't work |
| 06:31.21 | Wyzard | shivraj: Any errors when loading the module? |
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| 06:31.27 | Snoopp | hello |
| 06:31.27 | liable | shivraj: have you tried reconfiguring x? |
| 06:31.29 | shivraj | I installed it the other night, now I reinstalled the stock 2.2 kernel |
| 06:31.36 | shivraj | yeah ... |
| 06:31.46 | liable | shivraj: woody? |
| 06:31.57 | shivraj | dont want to deal with all of that, I used to use linux but that was a while ago, |
| 06:32.07 | shivraj | yeah, I upgraded to sarge |
| 06:32.16 | Wyzard | Check that X is configured to use /dev/psaux as its mouse device, and that GPM is not running (I'd recommend just uninstalling it) |
| 06:32.17 | Snoopp | hmm i have some prob with my ati all in wonder .. |
| 06:32.24 | Snoopp | someone have it installed ? |
| 06:32.32 | liable | shivraj: what did you choose when you configured x? |
| 06:32.36 | muaddib | Overand: is there a howto on how to use memtest86 |
| 06:32.39 | furrywolf | snoopp: let me guess, instant hard lockup attempting to capture? |
| 06:32.50 | Overand | muaddib: it's really braindead simple |
| 06:32.51 | Snoopp | yep .. |
| 06:32.54 | Snoopp | no capture .. |
| 06:32.57 | Snoopp | no tv .. |
| 06:33.01 | furrywolf | muaddib: it doesn't need a howto. you put it on a disk and boot. |
| 06:33.03 | Overand | if you've got a relatively recent version of knoppix, it comes with it |
| 06:33.09 | liable | shivraj: I can paste my mouse config for x if you want |
| 06:33.19 | Overand | just boot it with 'memtest' instead of just hitting enter |
| 06:33.36 | muaddib | Overand: Ahh its a boot option my bad |
| 06:33.37 | Overand | or download a floppy or cd image and poof |
| 06:33.40 | Overand | muaddib: no |
| 06:33.44 | Overand | it's not a 'boot option' |
| 06:33.50 | Overand | knoppix just happens to come with it |
| 06:33.51 | furrywolf | snoopp: I haven't gotten mine to work either... kills random IRQs or locks up. I asked on the gatos-devel list; they didn't seem to care all too much... |
| 06:34.00 | liable | Overand: yeah it is, if you install it |
| 06:34.00 | Overand | i figured you might have a knoppix disc around, which would save you the effort |
| 06:34.08 | Overand | liable: fair enough |
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| 06:34.27 | Overand | will it automagically stuff itself into your grub menu? |
| 06:34.29 | shivraj | liable : thanks but I rather configure the kernel |
| 06:34.39 | liable | shivraj: it wont help |
| 06:34.48 | Wyzard | shivraj: It is not a kernel problem. The stock kernel already contains the driver you need. |
| 06:34.54 | Snoopp | ah .; and now .. working for you ? |
| 06:35.01 | muaddib | Overand: Rebooting my system now what exactly am I looking for |
| 06:35.10 | muaddib | I've never used memtest before |
| 06:35.13 | liable | shivraj: reconfigure x again |
| 06:35.14 | Wyzard | shivraj: I have my T20 running on my desk right now. I rmmod psmouse, and the mouse stops working. I modprobe psmouse, and the mouse works again. |
| 06:35.15 | shivraj | so which package do I get ? |
| 06:35.31 | furrywolf | wyzard: umm. duh? :) |
| 06:35.37 | Overand | muaddib: you run it |
| 06:35.44 | Overand | if it says you've got errors, then you've got errors |
| 06:35.47 | liable | and wait, and wait |
| 06:35.51 | dragonfly | i just installed debian and have two questions: 1. how do i get the sound to work 2. I added some NTFS partitions into /etc/fstab but root is the only one who can access them, what option do i have to change? or is it an option for the folders they mount into? |
| 06:35.52 | shivraj | kernel-image-2.6.8-686 ? |
| 06:35.53 | Wyzard | shivraj: First, remove GPM if you have it. It's possible to use GPM alongside X, but for troubleshooting purposes, it's not worth the time it takes to explain. |
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| 06:36.13 | shivraj | I dont have anything installed, I installed woody with no packages and upgraded to sarge |
| 06:36.13 | Wyzard | shivraj: Second, in your X configuration, check that the mouse device is "/dev/psaux" and not something like "/dev/ttyS0" |
| 06:36.23 | liable | shivraj: can you post yor mouse config on flood or pastebin? |
| 06:36.31 | shivraj | I dont have X installed right now |
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| 06:36.36 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Well, shivraj was wanting to compile a custom kernel rather than using a Debian kernel-image, solely because his T20's mouse didn't work |
| 06:36.37 | shivraj | just a basic config |
| 06:36.42 | dabreegster | dragonfly: for sound: be specific. what works, what doesn't work. what soundcard? lsmod|grep snd. grab a mixer like aumix and unmute the channels. |
| 06:36.43 | cat | !tell shivraj about set up x |
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| 06:36.56 | Wyzard | shivraj: If you don't have X installed, where are you expecting to use your mouse? |
| 06:36.57 | Overand | somebody set up x the bomb |
| 06:37.01 | furrywolf | wyzard: /dev/input/mice would be more the Right Way (tm), as /dev/psaux on 2.6 kernels is just a copy of it... |
| 06:37.02 | Overand | and i'm sorry i said that |
| 06:37.21 | Wyzard | furrywolf: I know, but shivraj doesn't seem to be using 2.6 |
| 06:37.27 | dabreegster | dragonfly: also, what version of debian? woody, sarge, or sid? and what kernel? |
| 06:37.35 | shivraj | ok let me install x first |
| 06:37.39 | dabreegster | dragonfly: do you plan on using oss or alsa modules? |
| 06:37.48 | furrywolf | wyzard: ah, I saw mention of psmouse, and thought 2.6... |
| 06:37.54 | Wyzard | shivraj: If you're trying to use your mouse in the console, forget X for now, and look at your GPM config instead |
| 06:37.54 | dabreegster | dragonfly: #alsa can help with alsa-specific problems. |
| 06:37.55 | cat | shivraj, first installed lynx www.debian.org/doc and enjoy ;P |
| 06:38.17 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Did psmouse have a different name in 2.4? (I haven't used 2.4 in so long that I don't remember...) |
| 06:38.41 | dragonfly | sarge 2.6.8 kernel |
| 06:38.49 | furrywolf | wyzard: unless I'm mistaken, 2.4 didn't do anything with the mouse; X did it all. |
| 06:39.00 | dabreegster | dragonfly: lsmod|grep snd |
| 06:39.06 | dragonfly | lsmod|grep snd |
| 06:39.07 | dragonfly | snd_bt87x 13640 0 |
| 06:39.07 | dragonfly | snd_pcm 85384 1 snd_bt87x |
| 06:39.07 | dragonfly | snd_timer 23172 1 snd_pcm |
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| 06:39.08 | Wyzard | furrywolf: I was just testing that the built-in nub mouse in a Thinkpad T20 is indeed a PS/2, and that no "special" drivers are needed to use it |
| 06:39.10 | dabreegster | dragonfly: apt-get install aumix then run aumix and turn the channels up |
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| 06:39.18 | liable | dragonfly: dont flood |
| 06:39.24 | liable | dragonfly: /topic |
| 06:39.27 | dabreegster | dragonfly: read the topic |
| 06:39.31 | Wyzard | furrywolf: No, the kernel still has to communicate with the mouse to provide data on /dev/psaux |
| 06:39.34 | muaddib | Overland: How many test our there |
| 06:39.40 | dragonfly | sorry 'bout that |
| 06:39.48 | liable | muaddib: best to let it go overnight |
| 06:39.58 | cat | furrywolf, try lspci and see if the mouse is there |
| 06:40.02 | shivraj | shouldn't I install the new kernel image before installing X ? |
| 06:40.12 | liable | shivraj: doesnt matter |
| 06:40.13 | dabreegster | dragonfly: grab aumix and unmute the channels, then try playing something |
| 06:40.20 | furrywolf | wyzard: yes, but on 2.4 it was just low-level communications (registers, interrupts, etc), while on 2.6 it actually parses the mouse data for all the different mouse protocols, etc. |
| 06:40.25 | Wyzard | shivraj: Again, you don't need to install a new kernel |
| 06:40.29 | chealer | !tell dragonfly about ntfs |
| 06:40.34 | furrywolf | car: I have a usb mouse. it shows up on lsusb. I think you meant someone else. :) |
| 06:40.48 | muaddib | liable: Thanks |
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| 06:40.49 | cat | lol, |
| 06:40.50 | furrywolf | s/car/cat |
| 06:41.00 | glick | hey did anyone get the latest xfce4 working for debian? |
| 06:41.21 | Wyzard | furrywolf: There's always been an option for PS/2 mouse support in menuconfig, though... but that's always been enabled in Debian kernel-image packages, so any kernel-image (of any version) should be suitable for using PS/2 mice |
| 06:41.24 | liable | glick: no, no one did |
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| 06:41.25 | glick | using the source from os-works |
| 06:41.54 | dragonfly | chealer: thank you |
| 06:42.11 | shivraj | I need support for my sound card |
| 06:42.24 | Wyzard | shivraj: Using your existing (Debian-provided, kernel-image-*) kernel, configure either X or GPM (whichever it is that you're trying to use) to use /dev/psaux as the mouse device. That's all you need to do. |
| 06:42.33 | Wyzard | shivraj: What sound card? |
| 06:42.35 | liable | shivraj: one step at a time dude :) |
| 06:42.45 | shivraj | alsaconf can't find it, I dont think this kernel has support for sound core |
| 06:42.56 | Wyzard | ugh |
| 06:43.01 | Wyzard | Yes, Debian's stock kernels provide soundcore |
| 06:43.03 | cat | omg |
| 06:43.03 | liable | shivraj: what kernel are you on now? |
| 06:43.07 | shivraj | yeah I had X and all of that stuff working, but everything got messed up when I tried to get sound to work |
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| 06:43.13 | Wyzard | Debian's stock kernels provide pretty much everything except the most esoteric devices |
| 06:43.18 | furrywolf | !devinputmice |
| 06:43.19 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
| 06:43.26 | shivraj | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 06:43.38 | boukensya | hey guys.. I am looking for a console program that tells me nicely how much bandwidth and is coming from what program etc.. Basically a nice monitor for my network |
| 06:43.40 | liable | !real kernel |
| 06:43.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 06:43.56 | Wyzard | shivraj: OK, that's a stripped-down kernel used by the installer |
| 06:44.09 | Wyzard | shivraj: If you're running sarge now, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 06:44.23 | shivraj | ok Wyzard |
| 06:44.24 | Wyzard | shivraj: (Replace 386 with 686 or k7 or whatever processor you have) |
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| 06:44.25 | dragonfly | aumix isn't running for me.....i don't have to be root do i? |
| 06:44.31 | shivraj | I have p3 |
| 06:44.36 | cat | dragonfly, nope |
| 06:44.38 | liable | shivraj: and alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 06:44.41 | furrywolf | p3 is 686 |
| 06:44.42 | cat | you run it as a normal user |
| 06:44.54 | glick | well i tried ubuntu, and ubuntu aint got shit on debian testing |
| 06:44.58 | Wyzard | shivraj: Then reboot, and you'll be running a modern kernel with a full set of driver modules |
| 06:45.00 | furrywolf | cat: unless permissions don't give him access to the mixer device... |
| 06:45.10 | dabreegster | dragonfly: is your normal user part of the audio group? |
| 06:45.13 | cat | yeah that's why is always to do adduser username audio |
| 06:45.30 | furrywolf | that's why I always a+rw /dev/mixer*, but I'm lazy. :) |
| 06:45.34 | cat | *that's why is always good to do adduser username audio ;P |
| 06:45.38 | Wyzard | glick: Not at present, but Ubuntu will probably go through several releases before Etch is done |
| 06:45.39 | dabreegster | yeah, mixer is rw by owner (root) and group (audio) |
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| 06:45.57 | glick | Wyzard, ubuntu is buggy as hell |
| 06:46.02 | dabreegster | furrywolf: That's a security threat! Anybody could force you to endure music you despise! Wait, that's mixer. |
| 06:46.08 | liable | dragonfly: try alsamixer |
| 06:46.16 | furrywolf | glick: which is why we don't use ubuntu. or answer questions about it. |
| 06:46.17 | Wyzard | glick: Doesn't surprise me, though I didn't run into any major problems when I tried it out for a few days |
| 06:46.18 | dragonfly | yes dabreegster |
| 06:46.20 | dragonfly | ok liable |
| 06:46.20 | glick | for example for some reason some unknown force is breaking my dns at random times so gnome doesnt load up properly |
| 06:46.23 | cat | glick, ubuntu is just like debian same developers, |
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| 06:46.40 | furrywolf | dabreegster: if people are playing with my sound card, I have far bigger problems than having to turn the volume down on my amp. :P |
| 06:46.52 | glick | Wyzard, no, for the first few days there are no apparent problems till you look deeper |
| 06:46.56 | dabreegster | furrywolf: Really. ^_^ |
| 06:47.20 | dabreegster | furrywolf: I suppose somebody could blast your ear drums out by turning up the volume when you have headphones and a song with bass on. |
| 06:47.24 | liable | ding dong beer'o'clock :) |
| 06:47.34 | Wyzard | glick: No, scratch that, I did run into one problem -- my laptop's internal Ethernet (3c575, IIRC) not being supported |
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| 06:47.56 | glick | for example i wish this would stop fsckin with my dns so i can lauch gnome programs normally and not have to wait 5 minutes for them to load till the name resolution times out |
| 06:48.16 | furrywolf | dabreegster: actually, that's more true right now than always... something's flakey with the preamp stage on my amp, so I have my sound card plugged directly into the power stage, with the volume set to about 5%... |
| 06:48.17 | glick | Wyzard, thats a kernel problem not really a distro problem |
| 06:48.39 | Overand | uh |
| 06:48.48 | Overand | DNS... gnome errors.. kernel problem? |
| 06:48.50 | dabreegster | furrywolf: gulp. I have a nice graphic equalizer between my card and speakers/woofer |
| 06:49.01 | shivraj | ok I installed the new kernel image |
| 06:49.06 | shivraj | ... restarting |
| 06:49.12 | liable | dont you mean wolfer :) |
| 06:49.23 | dabreegster | liable: hah. |
| 06:49.25 | furrywolf | dabreegster: heh. with my studio monitors and the my nice silver-era pioneer amp, I've never needed equalization. |
| 06:49.28 | Wyzard | Well, some later investigation revealed that it wasn't the lack of a driver, but rather something going wrong with initializing the driver or something like that, due to some patch that had been applied... I don't remember the details, but the issue was specific to Ubuntu's build of the kernel |
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| 06:49.48 | dabreegster | furrywolf: I've got an old teac. It's 30 years old; works great. |
| 06:50.10 | furrywolf | the old pioneer sx-series receivers sound remarkably good. :) |
| 06:50.14 | glick | yeah ubuntus stock kernels wouldnt support my external fuzzy drive correctly so i had to recompile a vanilla one |
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| 06:50.35 | furrywolf | mine's only 75 RMS/channel, but that's more than I need. they claim 0.01% distortion iirc... |
| 06:50.38 | dragonfly | hmmm, there's nothing |
| 06:50.45 | Wyzard | Anyway, we probably shouldn't spam #debian with Ubuntu installation reports :-) |
| 06:51.03 | liable | dragonfly: meaning? |
| 06:51.26 | furrywolf | wyzard: you're not an audiophile, are you? :P |
| 06:51.28 | dragonfly | it's like debian doesn't even see a sound card |
| 06:51.33 | Wyzard | Evidently not |
| 06:51.39 | furrywolf | dragonfly: is it in lspci? |
| 06:51.39 | dragonfly | i can't even get any "channels" to show up |
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| 06:52.06 | liable | dragonfly: what kernel, does lsmod show snd modules loaded? |
| 06:52.16 | furrywolf | wyzard: nor do you work with electronics much either. :) |
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| 06:52.44 | Wyzard | Nope, I'm a software person |
| 06:52.46 | dabreegster | dragonfly: dmesg|grep -i sound # replace sound with snd and anything else you can think of |
| 06:52.53 | dragonfly | kernel 2.6.8 |
| 06:53.00 | furrywolf | welp, tired wolfy needs sleep... have to be up early tomorrow. going to go to a few garage sales, then head over to watch the start of the kinetic sculpture race. |
| 06:53.22 | dabreegster | furrywolf: howl on. |
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| 06:54.29 | bimbo | hello |
| 06:54.33 | bimbo | anyone here using ipv6? |
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| 06:54.56 | liable | !anyone |
| 06:54.57 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 06:55.04 | bimbo | someone |
| 06:55.09 | bimbo | any debian user? |
| 06:55.13 | bimbo | fuck, you get the point |
| 06:55.13 | liable | !someone |
| 06:55.14 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 06:55.18 | liable | hehe :) |
| 06:55.21 | dabreegster | bimbo: ask a specific question about it |
| 06:55.44 | bimbo | ok, I've just installed tspc in linux router |
| 06:55.51 | dabreegster | An op needs to put a link to RMS's smart questions FAQ in the topic. |
| 06:55.56 | bimbo | it gets the ipv6 global ip without problems |
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| 06:56.25 | bimbo | but when I specify host_type=route I can't get my tun working |
| 06:56.53 | buu | dabreegster: Like anyone reads the topic |
| 06:56.54 | dabreegster | Goodnight everybody. |
| 06:57.03 | Guerin | RMS never said anything about smart questions |
| 06:57.06 | bimbo | I don't know why this is happening, also when I reach a page like www.kame.net I can't see the turtle moving |
| 06:57.13 | Guerin | he's a philosopher, not an instructor |
| 06:57.16 | bimbo | altho I can ping ipv6 sites like kame.net using ping6 |
| 06:57.24 | buu | Eh, what was the name of the package that contains the sexy microsoft fonts? |
| 06:57.31 | Guerin | msttcorefonts |
| 06:57.45 | Overand | d'oh |
| 06:57.45 | bimbo | so, the point here is, what do I need to enable in my kernel to get support for host_type=route? |
| 06:57.53 | Overand | i was gonna ask dabreegster for that RMS link |
| 06:57.59 | bimbo | I have everything about ipv6 compiled and tun is also compiled |
| 06:58.04 | Guerin | there is no rms link |
| 06:58.06 | bimbo | I've even compiled netfilter ipv6 options |
| 06:58.16 | bimbo | so, what's the problem? what's wrong? |
| 06:59.02 | buu | Guerin: Excellent, thanks |
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| 06:59.39 | buu | Overand: It was ESR not RMS |
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| 07:00.07 | Overand | oh |
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| 07:01.11 | nn | anyone using X10 wireless cameras (IR/day) in linux? |
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| 07:01.16 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 07:01.17 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 07:01.24 | edward__ | hi.. I need to configure netconsole.. |
| 07:01.41 | buu | Guerin: Hrm. What do I need to do to make applications aware of my new fonts? |
| 07:01.41 | edward__ | it's built-in.. In what file must I configure it... ? |
| 07:01.53 | nn | Guerin: twat. I was asking if anyone used them, because i can't seem to find appropriate software for them :) |
| 07:02.09 | buu | nn: So why didn't you just ask for software? |
| 07:02.19 | Guerin | nn: what a fucking stupid question. Of course someone uses them. |
| 07:02.28 | nn | buu: because there's more ways to use them than software ;) |
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| 07:02.40 | bimbo | so... |
| 07:02.41 | buu | Uh huh. |
| 07:02.43 | Guerin | nn: software doesn't get written and hardware made so people can't use it. |
| 07:02.51 | nn | Guerin: they're designed for windows :) |
| 07:03.02 | buu | Hrm. Do I need to restart X to get the new fonts? |
| 07:03.22 | Guerin | buu: not sure. |
| 07:03.27 | glick | i just want xfce 4.2 in debian :( |
| 07:03.29 | buu | hmph |
| 07:03.32 | Guerin | buu: shouldn't |
| 07:03.45 | Guerin | glick: use the fucking packages from os-workss.de |
| 07:03.48 | Guerin | s/ss/s/ |
| 07:03.52 | buu | Guerin: They aren't showing up in firefox.. isn't there a command that creates a font database or some such? |
| 07:03.53 | nn | buu: i believe you need to restart the font server |
| 07:03.57 | edward__ | any one useing netconsole.. .? |
| 07:04.08 | buu | edward__: NOBODY |
| 07:04.15 | buu | nn: Hrm. Ok |
| 07:04.15 | Guerin | buu: the postinst script should take care of that. You will have to restart firefox at least. |
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| 07:04.24 | buu | Guerin: I restarted firefox |
| 07:04.27 | buu | No joy. |
| 07:04.29 | nn | buu: defoma-hints perhaps |
| 07:04.34 | Guerin | try restarting x then, i may be wrong |
| 07:04.34 | glick | Guerin, last time i tried it it was givin me ish |
| 07:04.49 | nn | buu: apropos font|less |
| 07:04.58 | Guerin | glick: there's also an auto-build installer there. |
| 07:05.04 | edward__ | buu, /nick edward_ |
| 07:05.06 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.20 | chealer | what's wrong with the experimental packages, except that they're experimental and 1 minor version behind? |
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| 07:05.35 | buu | nn: Yeah.. |
| 07:05.48 | Guerin | karsten_: ping |
| 07:06.04 | nn | update-fonts-* might be of use, but personally i don't use anything fancy font-wise in X |
| 07:06.11 | buu | nn: I seem to recall having to do mkfontdir or some such |
| 07:06.22 | nn | buu: probably :) |
| 07:06.28 | Guerin | all this shit should be done by the package's install scripts |
| 07:06.37 | Guerin | you might also need to install ttcidsomething |
| 07:06.53 | Guerin | !msttcorefonts |
| 07:06.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, msttcorefonts is package to install MSFT core TrueType fonts. http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ for font *.EXEs, unpack with cabextract. Install the 'x-ttcidfont-conf' package, and add this FontPath line to your XF86Config-4 file in the "Files" section: 'FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"'. then 'xset fp rehash' |
| 07:06.57 | Guerin | there ya go |
| 07:07.37 | buu | ah |
| 07:07.49 | buu | I wish something in the package mentioned the last step |
| 07:08.08 | gushi | Hrmmm, is there a good package for all the "standard" trusted root certificates? |
| 07:08.21 | Guerin | as i said, the scripts should do that |
| 07:08.35 | Guerin | gushi: apt-cache search ssl cert |
| 07:08.37 | nn | buu: also you might have to restart firefox |
| 07:08.58 | buu | Argh. Nope |
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| 07:09.31 | Snoopp | hmm i have some prob with my cam to .. |
| 07:09.38 | Snoopp | and gnome meeting |
| 07:09.42 | Guerin | !tardware |
| 07:09.42 | dpkg | tardware is, like, the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>. |
| 07:09.47 | Snoopp | someone can help ?. |
| 07:09.47 | buu | I added the line, ran the xset, firefox still isn't showing up |
| 07:09.52 | Guerin | lesson: don't buy shitty cameras |
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| 07:09.59 | Snoopp | lol Guerin |
| 07:10.03 | buu | s/firefox/fonts in firefox/ |
| 07:10.06 | Guerin | Snoopp: i'm not joking. |
| 07:10.17 | simonrvn | re |
| 07:10.23 | Guerin | simonrvn: sup |
| 07:10.27 | Snoopp | what you calling shitty cameras ? |
| 07:10.39 | Snoopp | it ays to me |
| 07:10.41 | simonrvn | recovering from my freak accident |
| 07:10.43 | Snoopp | (gnomemeeting:13254): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: |
| 07:10.43 | Snoopp | Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
| 07:10.43 | Snoopp | (dc1394_control.c) Couldn't raw1394_set_port! |
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| 07:10.54 | oguz | when i tried to write to dvd with growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -R -J dir_name, it doesnt write the direcotry itself but the files and dirs inside it, how can i write totaly the directory itself |
| 07:10.54 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:11.19 | simonrvn | dumbass... |
| 07:11.21 | Guerin | simonrvn: you collided with a freak? |
| 07:11.23 | nn | bbl, got porn to make! |
| 07:11.34 | Guerin | . . . |
| 07:11.43 | simonrvn | Guerin: hehe, don't make me laugh, i hurt my ribs |
| 07:11.44 | Guerin | nn: nobody wants to watch you wanking |
| 07:11.52 | nn | Guerin: i'm not in it, my gf and her gf are |
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| 07:12.00 | Guerin | oh, sure. |
| 07:12.02 | buu | Sounds like a manson song |
| 07:12.08 | simonrvn | we still don't care |
| 07:12.09 | buu | (Granted it's a cover) |
| 07:12.18 | nn | about 5 hours of video to cut into something good |
| 07:12.21 | simonrvn | ...even if it were true |
| 07:12.21 | Guerin | simonrvn: what happen? |
| 07:12.27 | nn | buu: that's type o negative - my girlfriend's girlfriend :) |
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| 07:12.41 | buu | nn: Yeah, I couldn't remember the original one, I've been hearing the manson one a bunch |
| 07:12.43 | Snoopp | usorry :p |
| 07:12.44 | nn | off i believe october rust or bloody kisses |
| 07:12.47 | edward_ | "the kernel command line" <--- where is that... ? |
| 07:12.55 | Guerin | edward_: in your bootloader's config |
| 07:12.58 | nn | edward_: Boot loader config (lilo/grub/etc) |
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| 07:13.08 | edward_ | ok tnx |
| 07:13.21 | simonrvn | Guerin: was raining today, on and off. was headed for critical mass demo. decided (stupidly) to slalom down a wet street, picking up speed... |
| 07:13.34 | Guerin | simonrvn: wheee. bicycle? |
| 07:14.12 | nn | ja tal :) |
| 07:14.26 | simonrvn | Guerin: ... so i go sliding across the pavement, face down, then i turn around and see the bike heading towards my head, i put up my arms to block it hitting me in the face, but it hit my ribs. also tore up my right elbow. yeh, bike |
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| 07:14.40 | Guerin | hardcore |
| 07:15.32 | simonrvn | i thought so =) |
| 07:15.43 | glick | hey for install i just want a kina minimum install with xfce4 is there a minimal X install option? |
| 07:16.07 | simonrvn | couple of people stopped to see if i was ok... didn't notice the wounds til later. |
| 07:16.25 | Guerin | glick: when you install, don't pick any tasks. Just install the packages you want once you have base set up. |
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| 07:16.41 | simonrvn | got right back up on the thing. though i had to go in to local bike shop and do some fixing |
| 07:16.43 | liable | glick: base system install |
| 07:16.51 | glick | hmm ok |
| 07:17.14 | Guerin | simonrvn: i know that feeling. My wife's head hit the windscreen when we had an accident ... she didn't realise until the next day when it came up purple. |
| 07:17.17 | glick | how do i know what all i need? |
| 07:17.44 | Guerin | glick: you need x-window-system and xfce4, clearly. |
| 07:17.45 | Snoopp | where i can find what cams working with my debian ? |
| 07:17.48 | simonrvn | yeh. i don't have a bruise right now (i don't bruise easily), but i'll feel it in the morning |
| 07:18.00 | Guerin | glick: after that, use aptitude search to see what packages you have available |
| 07:18.01 | glick | Guerin, gdm? |
| 07:18.01 | omry | what could cause a debian system to go berserk and not open any processes all the sudden? almost every process I tried to open gave me illegal instuction or segmentation fault. the problem was solved after a reboot. |
| 07:18.14 | Guerin | glick: if you want it, install it. |
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| 07:18.29 | usn | good morning |
| 07:18.29 | simonrvn | upgrade libc6. should be fixed |
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| 07:18.34 | Guerin | omry: something fucked with libc is usually the problem. |
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| 07:18.54 | Guerin | simonrvn: i got a good spam story for ya |
| 07:19.01 | omry | Guerin, any was to verify that? |
| 07:19.13 | bimbo | fuck there's no support for ipv6 |
| 07:19.16 | simonrvn | Guerin: shoot |
| 07:19.17 | glick | can i use this kernel dpkg that i compiled in ubuntu with debian |
| 07:19.24 | glick | just dpkg -i the kernel package |
| 07:19.42 | omry | it never happened to me before, and I didn't do any upgrades recently. |
| 07:19.49 | technos | I rolled a Jeep once. Ended up upside down, hanging in my belt, out cold. After I came to, punched the windshield out to free myself. Walked two miles, called a tow, walked two miles back, and only then noticed my hands looked like hamburger. |
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| 07:20.09 | simonrvn | oh fun. |
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| 07:21.03 | simonrvn | adrenaline can do wonders |
| 07:21.09 | Guerin | simonrvn: http://feayn.org/~lewis/hanmail.txt |
| 07:21.17 | simonrvn | oh, hanmail.... |
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| 07:21.28 | simonrvn | i have them on perma ban here |
| 07:21.42 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 07:22.07 | Guerin | i was trying to SEND mail to a mate of mine @hanmail, but their broken rdns checker rejected it. |
| 07:22.26 | simonrvn | louis guerin? hey, BTW, you'd fit right in with that name |
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| 07:22.36 | Guerin | technos: yikes |
| 07:22.38 | Guerin | simonrvn: ? |
| 07:23.07 | simonrvn | Guerin: your name |
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| 07:23.16 | simonrvn | quebec... french speaking.. |
| 07:23.21 | Guerin | oh, yeah |
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| 07:23.23 | simonrvn | clicking yet? |
| 07:23.26 | simonrvn | aah :) |
| 07:23.35 | technos | I was okay. Only five stitches, I didn't damage them that badly. |
| 07:23.46 | simonrvn | technos: that's good |
| 07:23.56 | technos | They didn't stitch any of the small holes I glued shut waiting for the tow. |
| 07:24.00 | Guerin | flesh wounds from car accidents tend to be much worse than that |
| 07:24.16 | simonrvn | i'm glad i had my helmet, and my poofy hair (dreads) |
| 07:24.32 | simonrvn | technos: hardcore :) |
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| 07:24.36 | simonrvn | ++ |
| 07:24.42 | FloTiX | hello!! |
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| 07:24.52 | simonrvn | hi |
| 07:24.54 | Guerin | heh, dreads make good head protection |
| 07:24.57 | FloTiX | what is the mirrors of debian ? |
| 07:25.05 | simonrvn | FloTiX: apt-setup |
| 07:25.09 | technos | simonrvn: Eh. I've had real pain, shit like that is "Oh, darn.". |
| 07:25.34 | simonrvn | i mean doing first aid with glue. ;) |
| 07:25.36 | Guerin | real pain = ? |
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| 07:26.14 | technos | Guerin: Nitric acid burns. 90% of my face and the palms of my hands. |
| 07:26.18 | liable | I had my head glued together at a hospital once, true story, was like supa glue |
| 07:26.24 | simonrvn | brb, need to take care of some pkg updates |
| 07:26.44 | mdfk | can anyone explain me the difference between apt-proxy and apt-cacher? |
| 07:26.50 | Guerin | i've been lucky enough, despite spending many years studying martial arts, hunting, fishing, and doing practically every stupid thing I can find to do, to have never broken a bone, never fallen unconscious, never really been that close to dying |
| 07:27.02 | glick | do gnome programs like gnome terminal need all of gnome? |
| 07:27.08 | Guerin | glick: pretty much. |
| 07:27.13 | glick | will apt-get gnome-terminal attempt to get all of gnome? |
| 07:27.14 | Guerin | technos: yowch |
| 07:27.22 | Guerin | glick: it'll get as much as it needs. |
| 07:27.31 | simonrvn | mdfk: i hear one's less of a PITA than the other (the latter being less) |
| 07:27.52 | mdfk | simonrvn, so you vote for apt-cacher? |
| 07:28.09 | simonrvn | technos: oooouch. at least it wasn't a base... that shit keeps buring and burning and burning |
| 07:28.40 | simonrvn | though i only speak from anecdotal evidence, not personal experience |
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| 07:29.31 | chill | after my last update/upgrade i have some files with invalid ELF headers, is this my problem, or am i not the only one? |
| 07:29.53 | factotum | wow, 1 gig or ram makes a big difference over 256 |
| 07:29.59 | Guerin | chill: see BTS |
| 07:30.01 | chill | the pkgs are from dis |
| 07:30.10 | chill | Guerin, BTS? |
| 07:30.15 | liable | dis? |
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| 07:30.25 | Guerin | you use dis and you don't know about the sbt? |
| 07:30.36 | Guerin | stb even |
| 07:30.37 | technos | simonrvn: Eh.. Was good enough to peel me down to subcutaneous fat and take over a year of stretch grafting, dermabrasion and chem peels. |
| 07:30.46 | chill | Guerin: nope |
| 07:30.51 | Guerin | !bts |
| 07:30.51 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 07:31.04 | simonrvn | technos: full tilt eh? wow |
| 07:31.06 | mdfk | hows that nobody can give me advice about apt-cacher vs apt-proxy... |
| 07:31.09 | mdfk | i find it pretty useful |
| 07:31.14 | chill | Guerin: righty |
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| 07:31.57 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: you here? |
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| 07:33.12 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone here got a lombard laptop? |
| 07:33.43 | adexta | anybody here up to a challenge? |
| 07:33.58 | adexta | i can't get sound to work in gaim when amaroK is open |
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| 07:34.18 | TwistedEmotions | close one... open other. |
| 07:34.33 | glick | does testing come with 2.6 kernel images? |
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| 07:34.52 | EvanCarroll | glick: yes. |
| 07:35.00 | simonrvn | !dmix |
| 07:35.00 | dpkg | [dmix] an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 07:35.02 | drag_sid | glick: sure, try using linux26 as the arguement at boottime |
| 07:35.12 | drag_sid | for the install cd |
| 07:35.21 | glick | drag_sid, cool thanks |
| 07:35.39 | Guerin | or maybe just try reading the fucking instructions on said boot screen |
| 07:35.45 | Guerin | it's not rocket science |
| 07:35.55 | EvanCarroll | Guerin: agreed. |
| 07:36.18 | drag_sid | hehe |
| 07:37.43 | simonrvn | yay, " * lftp can now work with gnutls 1.x so compiled with tls" |
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| 07:37.53 | technos | simonrvn: Yeah. The pain from a burn like that is incredible. I was on morphine and CNS stimulant for weeks, then just morphine for a couple more, then Vicodin and CNS stim for amother month and a half. |
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| 07:38.21 | simonrvn | i can imagine... |
| 07:39.05 | Guerin | technos: no eye or nerve damage, though? |
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| 07:39.28 | giupy | hi all |
| 07:39.28 | technos | Guerin: Plenty of nerve damage, no eye damage. I was wearing glasses. |
| 07:39.48 | giupy | how can open ".mpc" audio files ? |
| 07:39.49 | Guerin | you had to be pleased about that. |
| 07:39.52 | technos | Guerin: I lost a fair amount of feeling, and the feeling I do have doesn't really correspond with reality anymore. |
| 07:39.54 | Guerin | !musepack |
| 07:39.58 | Guerin | !mpc |
| 07:39.58 | dpkg | mpc is probably musepack, yet another audio compression routine. It's lgpl, and there's an xmms plugin and encode/decode utilities available - ask me about rarewares. |
| 07:40.22 | giupy | well xmms-plubin :) |
| 07:40.31 | giupy | thanks Guerin |
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| 07:40.43 | technos | Guerin: Very. I'm just pissed I took off my face shield like 15 seconds before the flask hyperboiled. |
| 07:40.45 | Guerin | !musepack is <reply> see mpc |
| 07:40.45 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 07:41.01 | Guerin | technos: fuck yeah. |
| 07:41.33 | giupy | mm, can it be possible that the plugin is only in sid ? |
| 07:41.37 | simonrvn | whoah... |
| 07:41.45 | Guerin | giupy: the plugin isn't in debian, afaik. |
| 07:41.52 | giupy | ah k |
| 07:41.52 | Guerin | hence rarewares |
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| 07:42.13 | technos | Guerin: But it was my fault, no one else to blame it on. I didn't check my vent tube, and then I removed my mask with it still heated. |
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| 07:42.35 | Guerin | technos: won't be doing that again. |
| 07:42.43 | Guerin | technos: do you still work with chemicals? |
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| 07:43.13 | simonrvn | i would. even if just once. get back on the horse, so to speak |
| 07:43.33 | technos | Guerin: No sir. That horse was a little too steep to get back on. |
| 07:43.38 | Guerin | yeah, i'm a big fan of getting back on horses, but i've never really been mashed into the ground by one. |
| 07:43.43 | Guerin | heh |
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| 07:44.04 | simonrvn | nitric acid is heavy shit too... |
| 07:44.35 | simonrvn | i'm liking moving my desktop away from one of the servers... :) |
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| 07:45.13 | technos | Guerin: No more boiling nitrating baths for me. Course, I've done some smaller shit since. But no more making plastics at home. |
| 07:45.35 | Guerin | hahah |
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| 07:45.56 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 07:46.14 | simonrvn | oh ok. so you did get back on the horse, in a way |
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| 07:46.36 | simonrvn | maybe not the "untamed" stallion, but wtf ;) |
| 07:46.41 | technos | Hahaha. |
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| 07:47.17 | Guerin | 1645 - showertime |
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| 07:47.24 | Guerin | might consider a bit of breakfast, too |
| 07:47.39 | simonrvn | 03:47 here |
| 07:47.49 | Guerin | nearly breakfast time for you, then |
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| 07:47.59 | simonrvn | sleep :) |
| 07:48.00 | b0xen | Hey does anybody know if the sarge netinst cd supports the integrated ethernet cards on nforce2 mobos? |
| 07:48.14 | b0xen | Even winXP sp1 doesnt have the drivers for that card built in |
| 07:48.17 | technos | Yeah. Simple things, low quality nitrostarch for gags in college, cheater tricks with sugar and sulphuric acid, but nothing nearly as complex as bakelite. |
| 07:48.31 | adexta | b0xen: well, you can try it |
| 07:48.44 | simonrvn | b0xen: doesn<t hurt to try |
| 07:48.45 | adexta | i think it tries detection before you nuke harddrive space |
| 07:48.50 | b0xen | adexta: I know. Its just a popular mobo type so i thought maybe som1 wud kno |
| 07:49.08 | simonrvn | s/us/u.s./ |
| 07:49.22 | adexta | simonrvn: you're a dvorak guy, or just a foreigner? |
| 07:49.41 | simonrvn | please at least *try* to spell full words? this isn't AIM |
| 07:49.54 | simonrvn | part of me is furriner |
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| 07:50.41 | simonrvn | the other part is pissed off ;p |
| 07:51.04 | PolPosQ | hai |
| 07:52.05 | simonrvn | heh. was just looking around on alioth, and found this, http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debcontrol/ |
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| 07:55.48 | starscalling | time to watch anime laterz >_> |
| 07:56.06 | glick | what version of 2.6 kern does deb testin come with? |
| 07:56.15 | liable | 2.6.8 |
| 07:56.21 | glick | damn |
| 07:56.40 | glick | i need 2.9.11-9 |
| 07:56.46 | b0xen | hey is sarge using xorg or xfree86? |
| 07:56.47 | glick | oops |
| 07:56.48 | d03boy | you can recompile...? |
| 07:56.55 | glick | 2.6.11-9 |
| 07:56.56 | d03boy | sarge is xfree86 |
| 07:57.00 | b0xen | :( |
| 07:57.36 | liable | glick: you can get the 2.6.11.deb from unstable and install it with dpkg |
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| 07:58.06 | glick | liable, its gotta be greater then -9 |
| 07:58.11 | glick | or equal to |
| 07:58.19 | liable | well, check |
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| 07:59.42 | liable | glick: why, anyway? |
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| 08:00.26 | glick | liable, 2.6.11-9 supports my external firewire drive correctly cause it has a non standard controller in it |
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| 08:00.49 | technos | Anyone ever notice how much dialup sucks? |
| 08:00.57 | d03boy | does anyone have any recommendations for a good pdf viewer? gpdf seems to... well... suck ass |
| 08:00.57 | b0xen | technos: No, never. |
| 08:01.04 | bob2 | xpdf |
| 08:01.04 | liable | heh, unfortunately yes :( |
| 08:01.13 | Overand | i have yet to find a good pdf viewer |
| 08:01.17 | b0xen | d03boy: I think adobe actually released the newest version of acrobat reader for linux |
| 08:01.17 | Overand | none of them antialias properly |
| 08:01.22 | b0xen | but i could b wrong |
| 08:01.23 | Overand | thin line art displays really poorly |
| 08:01.31 | Overand | maybe OOorg? |
| 08:01.37 | bob2 | the new version of acrobat at least uses gtk |
| 08:01.38 | Overand | does it import/view PDFs? |
| 08:01.49 | d03boy | b0xen, well i'm not sure if I'm willing to call that "good" ... but we'll see I guess |
| 08:01.50 | b0xen | I can't wait for like . . . . 5 years to pass. The linux desktop will be so much better |
| 08:02.01 | Overand | b0xen: it's already very usable |
| 08:02.05 | Overand | i'm surprised |
| 08:02.10 | bob2 | depends who you are |
| 08:02.12 | Overand | i took a several year break from anything X related |
| 08:02.14 | b0xen | overand: I agree it is usable. |
| 08:02.18 | bob2 | for me it's better than any other system I've ever used |
| 08:02.23 | Overand | it's much better now than it was for years |
| 08:02.28 | b0xen | agreed again |
| 08:02.42 | Overand | bob2: in general, MS Win has better (see: more consistent) keyboard support in the GUI |
| 08:02.53 | Overand | that's really about it |
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| 08:03.09 | b0xen | Well that and the openoffice-msoffice issues |
| 08:03.19 | buu | Overand: That's what you get for choosing a crappy linux gui |
| 08:03.22 | b0xen | but if you save as RTF its usually ok |
| 08:03.25 | bob2 | Overand: that's subjective, I much prefer my key setup on linux |
| 08:03.33 | bob2 | b0xen: that only matters to people who care about office |
| 08:03.41 | b0xen | bob2: true, and i care |
| 08:03.50 | technos | I have a terminal on a T1 ten feet away.. But the router upstream blocks everything but FTP and I'm sick of links'ing the web. |
| 08:04.15 | glick | eject |
| 08:04.20 | Overand | bob2: i'm not talking about the window managfer itself |
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| 08:04.31 | bob2 | technos: if they block everything but ftp, how do you use links at all? |
| 08:04.31 | b0xen | anyway ive been using slackware for about 5 months and im about to install debian for the first time |
| 08:04.32 | Overand | i'm talking about the inconsistency between windowing tooklets re: switching 'tabs' etc |
| 08:04.48 | bob2 | Overand: again, subjective, the only thing I use with tabs is firefox :) |
| 08:04.54 | Overand | b0xen: i 'learned' on this progression: mandrake --> slackware --> debian |
| 08:05.10 | Overand | bob2: i don't think you can call 'it works' vs. 'it doesn't work' subjective |
| 08:05.13 | technos | bob2: ssh to an outside machine listening on the FTP port. |
| 08:05.20 | bob2 | Overand: ? |
| 08:05.28 | Overand | there *is* no consistent support for keyboard use of tabs in X11 apps |
| 08:05.30 | b0xen | overand: for me it was fedora/rhel --> slackware --> and now debian |
| 08:05.38 | bob2 | Overand: my desktop is perfectly usable, and all my tabbed applications (one) have the same keybindings |
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| 08:05.45 | bob2 | technos: so tunnel http over ssh |
| 08:05.49 | Overand | much more flexible in X11 |
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| 08:05.59 | Overand | or at least potentially so |
| 08:06.01 | simonrvn | debian -> trying out bsd, ubuntu |
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| 08:06.25 | b0xen | yeah i was gonna try BSD but then asked myself: why? and i couldnt come up with an answer |
| 08:07.18 | Overand | because BSD zealots say it's better =] |
| 08:07.22 | b0xen | lol |
| 08:07.30 | EvanCarroll | b0xen: because you can't answer 'why' is the answer to your question 'why'. |
| 08:07.36 | Overand | because *very arguably* the BSD kernel is 'better' than the linux kernel |
| 08:07.39 | b0xen | Unfourtunately, I don't care about "Better" I care about applicable |
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| 08:08.07 | bob2 | something doesn't have to be "better" to be worth trying |
| 08:08.08 | Overand | the amount of interaction that users have with their kernels in a 'visible' way is pretty minimal |
| 08:08.08 | b0xen | For example, if I wanted to get a linux related job in a large company, I would learn RHEL, even though I don't like it |
| 08:08.19 | Overand | occasionally we've got to run modprobe |
| 08:08.20 | Overand | etc |
| 08:08.20 | bob2 | os X annoys the hell out of me, but I still use it sometimes to see how it works |
| 08:08.26 | Overand | yeah OS X is interesting |
| 08:08.38 | Overand | MACH microkernel, BSD + NeXT frankenstein monster on top of that |
| 08:09.02 | CrypticSquared | does anyone know where the firewall config file is once the firewall is activated in osx? |
| 08:09.02 | b0xen | Anybody tried a HURD-based OS? |
| 08:09.14 | technos | bob2: Naw. It's a machine that has embedded NT, some crappy ssh program and a 3278 emulator on it, that's it. |
| 08:09.17 | CrypticSquared | sorry just thought cause you guys were talking bout it |
| 08:09.21 | bob2 | b0xen: there's only one |
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| 08:09.36 | b0xen | b0xen: Oh. Well have you tried it? |
| 08:10.01 | Overand | bob2: that's not entirely true |
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| 08:10.10 | Overand | or, maybe i'm wrong |
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| 08:10.18 | Overand | i assumed that 'hurd' and 'debian gnu/hurd' were different |
| 08:10.21 | bob2 | Overand: debian is the only thing I've ever seen on top of hurd |
| 08:10.38 | b0xen | bob2: yeah but technically you could run anything on hurd if you did the work |
| 08:10.38 | Overand | i thought they had their own entire userland set up |
| 08:10.41 | Overand | albiet minimalistic |
| 08:11.01 | bob2 | "techincally" you could kick yourself in the head |
| 08:11.08 | b0xen | bob2: Actually, I can't reach. |
| 08:11.18 | drag_sid | you can knee yourself |
| 08:11.19 | Overand | heh |
| 08:11.22 | b0xen | lol |
| 08:11.23 | Overand | i considred tryin that just now |
| 08:11.24 | TwistedEmotions | Is this laptop good enough to run Debian+XFCE4? PS. I already own this laptop just want to know if I cant use it for debian. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31560&item=6771572894&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW |
| 08:11.36 | Overand | if it' a 386 with 8 megs of ram you CAN do it |
| 08:11.40 | Phated | TwistedEmotions: CPU, RAM? |
| 08:11.45 | b0xen | it may not work very WELL |
| 08:11.47 | b0xen | but it will work |
| 08:11.55 | bob2 | technos: 26mb of ram will make things like firefox a bit unhappy |
| 08:11.55 | Overand | i'm running it on a Thinkpad 600E |
| 08:12.01 | bob2 | technos: but you'll be able to use it, yeah |
| 08:12.03 | TwistedEmotions | 333mhz + 96mb or ram. |
| 08:12.04 | lexxan | Twisted.. i'm running debian w/ xfce on a p1 233 with 64 megs of ram |
| 08:12.05 | TwistedEmotions | *of |
| 08:12.05 | Overand | Pentium 2 400, 96 megs of ram |
| 08:12.07 | b0xen | Oh yeah that can definately run it, but it will run like crap |
| 08:12.09 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: ^ |
| 08:12.14 | Phated | TwistedEmotions: Yeah, possible. |
| 08:12.15 | lexxan | and it runs like shit. |
| 08:12.19 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: you'll need a lot of swap, tho |
| 08:12.25 | TwistedEmotions | Awww.. |
| 08:12.31 | TwistedEmotions | dont want to use swap. |
| 08:12.31 | Overand | TwistedEmotions: the one there is a 266 |
| 08:12.31 | drag_sid | just use console |
| 08:12.38 | drag_sid | no X |
| 08:12.41 | drag_sid | :) |
| 08:12.43 | Phated | XFCE4 ran on 64 megs of ram with something like 500 megs of swap. Sad. |
| 08:12.45 | Overand | TwistedEmotions: do you plan to use a GUI? |
| 08:12.52 | TwistedEmotions | I want to... |
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| 08:12.56 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: even without X you'd need swap |
| 08:12.57 | Phated | On a PIII 500, though. |
| 08:13.01 | drag_sid | If you can get more RAM it will help |
| 08:13.03 | Overand | TwistedEmotions: use a minimal window manager |
| 08:13.08 | Overand | on this p2-400, 96 megs of ram, even KDE is ok |
| 08:13.10 | drag_sid | matters more then cpu |
| 08:13.12 | TwistedEmotions | really? Without x I still need swap? |
| 08:13.12 | Overand | but firefox drags ass badly |
| 08:13.15 | adexta | enlightenment is decent |
| 08:13.16 | Overand | it's entirely usable |
| 08:13.19 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: xfce isn't all that minmal, btw |
| 08:13.20 | Overand | TwistedEmotions: you ALWAYS need swap |
| 08:13.22 | adexta | i have a pII 400 MHz |
| 08:13.27 | adexta | but i have 384 MB ram |
| 08:13.28 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: do you want more tha 64MB of data in ram at once? |
| 08:13.29 | adexta | and it runs great |
| 08:13.33 | b0xen | overand: actually you dont need a swap |
| 08:13.38 | bob2 | if so, yes, you need swap |
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| 08:13.43 | b0xen | overand: but the comptuer runs like shit without it |
| 08:13.43 | TwistedEmotions | Overand: Err.... no. |
| 08:13.52 | b0xen | Hear yee Hear yee! |
| 08:13.54 | Overand | heh |
| 08:13.55 | Overand | fine |
| 08:13.57 | Overand | don't run any apps |
| 08:14.00 | Overand | see if i care |
| 08:14.00 | technos | xfce was usable but slow on this machine. Then again, FVWM is slow on this machine. |
| 08:14.08 | Overand | it is SO inadvisable to have a machine without swap |
| 08:14.08 | b0xen | I do contest, that regardless of which bootloader is the best, GRUB has the coolest name! |
| 08:14.14 | drag_sid | Icewm is nice and minimalist |
| 08:14.16 | technos | So I'd imagine you'll be fine with that one. :) |
| 08:14.23 | Phated | Fluxbox/openbox. |
| 08:14.24 | drag_sid | they use it on handhelds sometimes. I think |
| 08:14.30 | TwistedEmotions | I run xfce and I got 512 MB of ram with p4 3.0 and I have never seen it actually load anything to swap |
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| 08:14.44 | b0xen | with the linux gui its all about ram |
| 08:14.49 | Phated | Ehm, 512 != 96, dude. |
| 08:14.54 | drag_sid | memory |
| 08:15.01 | b0xen | when i upgraded from 256 to 1 GB the difference was rediculous |
| 08:15.11 | Phated | Yeah, it's sickening. :) |
| 08:15.12 | drag_sid | technically you dont' *need* swap, but in reality you *want* swap. |
| 08:15.37 | TwistedEmotions | So if I just wanted to run a GUI for web what WM should I use? flux? |
| 08:15.57 | TwistedEmotions | I dont mind doing eveything else in console |
| 08:15.59 | bob2 | flux is lighter than xfce |
| 08:16.10 | Phated | You probably want to run IceWM or something. Firefox isn't going to be happy with 96, though. |
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| 08:16.10 | bob2 | you don't have to run any WM at all |
| 08:16.11 | drag_sid | Any of the *box thingies. IceWM FVWM, stuff like that. |
| 08:16.14 | REds | flux xfce |
| 08:16.21 | bob2 | firefox in 64MB will need swap, tho |
| 08:16.24 | REds | black |
| 08:16.27 | drag_sid | no firefox |
| 08:16.27 | Phated | Maybe Galeon or something. |
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| 08:16.39 | drag_sid | graphical version of links. |
| 08:16.40 | REds | windowmaker |
| 08:16.43 | REds | all fairly thin |
| 08:16.46 | Phated | Firefox in 64 was a swap whore. |
| 08:16.46 | drag_sid | or Dillo |
| 08:16.49 | TwistedEmotions | is there a decent console based web browser out there... I mean well.. I guess for any pictures to load you need a WM right? |
| 08:16.56 | Phated | Yeh, links2 -g is decent. |
| 08:17.15 | drag_sid | Links2 -g actually looks nice for a text turned graphical browser |
| 08:17.18 | drag_sid | good stuff |
| 08:17.21 | Phated | It does. |
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| 08:17.41 | rixth | Offtopic and horrible, but help would still be appreciated.I'm trying to install XP on a 160gb SATA disk, it just locks up I think Ineed to "Press F6 to load drivers" Where cna I get my drivers from? I have a ASUS A7V600 (not SE or X), Ican't find the drivers on their site. |
| 08:17.41 | krumms | hi all - having a strange issue with sarge after a reinstall ... my mouse and keyboard work fine for most part, but the mouse jerks violently if I'm hitting keys on the keyboard at the same time |
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| 08:17.52 | Phated | So X and links2 -g, you probably -can- skip the WM if you only want to surf the net. |
| 08:17.58 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: X != window manager. X displays graphical programs, a window manager draws borders on them and moves them around. you can do without the window manager completely if you tell X where to put your windows manually. |
| 08:18.00 | krumms | generally it's not a problem, but when playing games it really becomes an issue |
| 08:18.03 | simonrvn | you don't even need x to see pics, you can do it in console if you have a framebuffer console |
| 08:18.08 | Phated | rixth: Ehm... How, precisely, would we know? |
| 08:18.21 | simonrvn | links -g -mode fb |
| 08:18.32 | bob2 | krumms: both on usb? |
| 08:18.33 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: Ohh... so just install x and I am good to go as far as firefox? |
| 08:18.49 | krumms | bob2: yup |
| 08:18.52 | Phated | TwistedEmotions: Or whatever browser, yeah. |
| 08:18.53 | drag_sid | rixth: wait for longhorn to come out, maybe? But in reality check out your motherboards manufacturer's website |
| 08:18.57 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: yes, but you will need swap |
| 08:19.11 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: obviously on that pos I need it. |
| 08:19.25 | rixth | Phated, I'm simply looking for SATA drivers. drag_sid I did, can't find them. |
| 08:19.26 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: ok, just making it clear |
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| 08:19.51 | drag_sid | rixth: call them, or call MS. nobody here would have a clue... |
| 08:20.14 | TwistedEmotions | shockingly in runs win98 with minimal lag. |
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| 08:20.14 | beeblebrox87 | trying to wget a file from an apache server, connection closes at byte 2147483647 |
| 08:20.14 | TwistedEmotions | *it |
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| 08:20.27 | Phated | TwistedEmotions: Firefox really is heavier, though. You might try links2 -g. Galeon is also somewhat lighter. |
| 08:20.29 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: if you run fluxbox and dillo, you'll have little lag, too |
| 08:20.43 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: try again with wget's -c option |
| 08:20.47 | krumms | bob2: logitech mx duo - never had trouble with it before, has worked fine for about a year and several reinstalls. I've recently switched to KDE, perhaps that has something to do with it ... |
| 08:20.48 | technos | beeblebrox87: You've hit the file size limit. That's a 2 gigabyte file on the money. |
| 08:20.49 | beeblebrox87 | i did |
| 08:21.02 | beeblebrox87 | yeah, how do i move a file biggery than 2GB? |
| 08:21.06 | beeblebrox87 | bigger |
| 08:21.11 | Phated | bob2: Dillo actually looks worse than links2, though. :) |
| 08:21.19 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: are you sure apache on the other end supports it? |
| 08:21.34 | bob2 | krumms: might be...does using another window manager show the same problem? |
| 08:21.37 | simonrvn | debian's is built with large file support iirc |
| 08:21.37 | TwistedEmotions | Phated: bob2: kk... need to back it up first and my dad lost the wireless card so cant install debian yet but hopefully all will go well. |
| 08:21.49 | TwistedEmotions | thanks for advice by the way. |
| 08:21.51 | Phated | TwistedEmotions: Good luck. |
| 08:21.54 | beeblebrox87 | the apache on the other end is mine too. 2.0.54-4 mpm-prefork |
| 08:22.30 | TwistedEmotions | Damn... and I gave my aunt a damn nice laptop for free just because I never used it... now I need one and am stuck with this POS. |
| 08:22.49 | Phated | Never give away nice laptops. |
| 08:22.54 | Phated | Sell them. |
| 08:23.08 | TwistedEmotions | it's my aunt... cant charge her. |
| 08:23.14 | drag_sid | that and LCD displays |
| 08:23.20 | Phated | Oh, yes you can. |
| 08:23.23 | krumms | bob2: as I said, I was running with GNOME for a year or so without any issues ... and actually, just thinking, it was working fine just last night - a friend of mine was buggering around in enemy territory and there were no issues |
| 08:23.25 | simonrvn | if i had money, i'd give away laptops.. |
| 08:23.25 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 08:23.26 | technos | It sounds like the local machine is hitting the single file filesize limit. There's a config option to increase it, every stock kernel I've seen has it enabled. But you may have not. |
| 08:23.34 | bob2 | krumms: ah |
| 08:23.37 | Phated | simonrvn: I'll hold you to that. :) |
| 08:23.43 | bob2 | krumms: maybe kde has some "feature" that does this |
| 08:23.51 | simonrvn | though i think there's better stuff to give away than lappys.. ;) |
| 08:23.53 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: yes, but are you sure it supports large files? |
| 08:23.54 | TwistedEmotions | someone give simonrvn a fake PhD... |
| 08:23.56 | bob2 | I'm not sure apache does |
| 08:24.02 | krumms | bob2: I've probably done something bloody stupid ... might go checking some settings :)\ |
| 08:24.08 | drag_sid | simonrvn: like love |
| 08:24.12 | Phated | simonrvn: Lappies are fine, really! :) |
| 08:24.15 | drag_sid | :p |
| 08:24.18 | simonrvn | drag_sid: :) |
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| 08:24.27 | Phated | For one, I need one for school. :) |
| 08:25.04 | TwistedEmotions | love dies... laptop just need bateries replaced ;) |
| 08:25.08 | simonrvn | lappy would be nice to lug around and bring along work-related stuff |
| 08:25.16 | TwistedEmotions | batteries |
| 08:25.20 | Phated | Pshaw, you can't get the pirated rubbish if you want love! |
| 08:25.22 | simonrvn | love doesn't die. just goes elsewhere |
| 08:25.37 | drag_sid | ya, especially at bars |
| 08:25.42 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:25.43 | technos | Can always migrate that partition to ext3.. It's stable, tested, and the filesize limit is 1TB or something equally ridiculous. |
| 08:25.47 | TwistedEmotions | simonrvn: that slut. |
| 08:25.52 | simonrvn | that's lust, not love ;) |
| 08:25.53 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 08:26.05 | beeblebrox87 | bob2: well, if it doesn't, how do i get it to? |
| 08:26.14 | simonrvn | though you may like him/her/whatever |
| 08:26.19 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: technos does raise a good point, what file system are you wget'ing the file onto? |
| 08:26.27 | Phated | But like is not looove. |
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| 08:26.37 | TwistedEmotions | but guys... on the UP SIDE... it's energy star compliant! WEEEEE.... |
| 08:26.51 | simonrvn | english sucks at the expression of love related words. in french, or other languages, you can express various kinds of love with different words |
| 08:26.57 | Phated | Crap, all I want for Christmas is a laptop. |
| 08:27.01 | beeblebrox87 | bob2: ext3, fairly certain the filesize thing is enabled... sec |
| 08:27.05 | bob2 | yeah |
| 08:27.18 | tremere | does kudzu tell you device (i.e., sda1) detected hardware is assigned to? I have a digital camera, and kudzu recognizes it, however, i don't know what to put in my mount command |
| 08:27.28 | beeblebrox87 | yeah, it is, i've had 6GB file here before |
| 08:27.43 | simonrvn | ugh, kudzu... if you have to use something like that, use discover.. |
| 08:27.45 | beeblebrox87 | i have a 4GB one on the same filesystem right now |
| 08:27.58 | bob2 | tremere: best to not use kudzu for that sort of thing |
| 08:28.20 | krumms | bob2: it only seems to happen if I hit *different* keys - holding down the 'a' key causes no problems, but mashing 'a', 's', 'd' & 'f' while moving the mouse causes the jerkiness again |
| 08:28.21 | drag_sid | in testing you should be able to use gphoto2 for that sort of thing, right? |
| 08:28.27 | drag_sid | the camera stuff |
| 08:28.30 | simonrvn | anyway, brb, gotta tst some elevator= settings on this box |
| 08:28.32 | tremere | bob2, what would be the best thing to use to get the information i need for creating the mount command? |
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| 08:28.45 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: use netcat and split :) |
| 08:28.52 | drag_sid | tremere: dmesg command, I think |
| 08:28.55 | tremere | drag_sid, i'm not interested in running a command line program to retrieve files, thank you |
| 08:29.05 | drag_sid | there are gui front ends |
| 08:29.13 | bob2 | tremere: well, better still would be using hotplug/udev/gnome-volume-manager or whatever kde has, whici mounts it for you |
| 08:29.20 | Guerin | tremere: why not? |
| 08:29.26 | beeblebrox87 | i'll just remote-mount the file and dd seek=2147483647 |
| 08:29.45 | krumms | bob2: it almost seems like some sort of input buffer issue ... I wonder what would happen if I booted to a console and started up enemy territory without KDE |
| 08:29.57 | Phated | tremere: It's not hard to just run dmesg to see what device it is. :/ |
| 08:30.32 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: so, apache2 (and apache) don't support files > 2GB |
| 08:30.33 | drag_sid | with my camera, I am using testing with hotplug/udev/kernel 2.6 et al, and when I plug it into the usb port I get a pop-up to download photos. I click on that, download photos and that's it. |
| 08:30.46 | drag_sid | my user has to be in the camera group though |
| 08:31.02 | liable | drag_sid: what wm? |
| 08:31.05 | drag_sid | gnoem |
| 08:31.08 | drag_sid | gnome |
| 08:31.09 | beeblebrox87 | bob2: why not? |
| 08:31.09 | tremere | Phated, doesn't dmesg only log stuff that was found during boot-up? |
| 08:31.12 | bob2 | it's not a window -manager issue |
| 08:31.19 | Guerin | tremere: nope. |
| 08:31.20 | bob2 | it's a "desktop environment" thing |
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| 08:31.23 | Phated | tremere: You haven't tried it, have you. |
| 08:31.29 | tremere | yes, i have Phated |
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| 08:31.38 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: because it would involve an ABI dump |
| 08:32.03 | bob2 | er, bump |
| 08:32.03 | bob2 | and break all existing modules |
| 08:32.46 | tremere | Phated, and all i can see in the output is -> usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6 |
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| 08:33.02 | bucky | i'd like to see a 2 G webpage |
| 08:33.03 | liable | tremere: install gphoto2 |
| 08:33.04 | Guerin | tremere: lsusb |
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| 08:33.29 | yaccobb | Is there some gui archiver which can handle zip/rar in standard Debian packages ? |
| 08:33.38 | liable | !tell tremere about based on debian |
| 08:33.53 | Guerin | yaccobb: ark |
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| 08:34.19 | bob2 | ah, right, tremere is using mepis |
| 08:34.23 | Guerin | ffs |
| 08:34.25 | bob2 | tremere: #mepis might be able to help you |
| 08:34.28 | Guerin | !fuck tremere |
| 08:34.33 | bob2 | if they're not lighting their own farts |
| 08:34.57 | Phated | Hmph. Idiocy never manages to kill itself. :| |
| 08:34.59 | bob2 | yaccobb: gnome's fileroller can do at least zip, I think |
| 08:35.02 | Guerin | yaccobb: ark is a kde app ... there's bound to be one which will do it for gnome, i just don't know it |
| 08:35.13 | Guerin | yaccobb: mc is probably a better choice than either |
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| 08:35.33 | bob2 | benh broke my ibook! |
| 08:35.34 | Phated | Cool, mc does zip? |
| 08:35.34 | drag_sid | expermental kernels do that |
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| 08:35.35 | Guerin | mc does shellescapes, aiui |
| 08:35.39 | Phated | Ah. |
| 08:36.08 | Guerin | aargh, new password |
| 08:36.16 | Guerin | my hands don't know how to type it |
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| 08:36.21 | yaccobb | bob2: nope, I thought so but no. But I'll try update it, perhaps it will.... |
| 08:36.23 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:36.42 | bob2 | hm, maybe my memory is wrong |
| 08:36.52 | drag_sid | for fireroller you'd have to install unrar and such. |
| 08:36.54 | Phated | memtest86! :) |
| 08:36.55 | drag_sid | I beleive |
| 08:37.18 | bob2 | ah, right |
| 08:37.20 | Guerin | yeah, it should be able to do anything you have a decompressor for |
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| 08:37.30 | yaccobb | Guerin: I have gnome. hmmm, mc ? It didn't open .rar i wanted... are there some plugins needed ? |
| 08:37.56 | liable | !info unrar |
| 08:37.59 | Phated | You can just install unrar and use fileroller, it seems. |
| 08:38.00 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.2-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
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| 08:38.16 | Phated | There's unrar-free in sid by now, I think. |
| 08:38.18 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to make this work for debian... http://www.physik.uni-freiburg.de/~zwerger/cip/Vaio/software-fix_Linux.htm? original problem is here... http://www.physik.uni-freiburg.de/~zwerger/cip/Vaio/indexeng.htm |
| 08:38.20 | drag_sid | ya I think fireroller is just a front-end for command line utilities |
| 08:38.33 | Phated | Well, it's a GUI, and it handles zip/rar. :) |
| 08:38.38 | tremere | Guerin, go fuck yourself, moron |
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| 08:38.48 | bob2 | crap |
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| 08:38.51 | Phated | (With suitable backends. :)) |
| 08:38.55 | Guerin | he always does that just before leaving |
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| 08:39.02 | Guerin | like a bat in the night... |
| 08:39.03 | *** mode/#debian [+b tremere!*@*] by bob2 |
| 08:39.04 | Phated | Pity. |
| 08:39.09 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha |
| 08:39.12 | drag_sid | haha |
| 08:39.13 | TwistedEmotions | saw that coming. |
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| 08:39.26 | drag_sid | if he is using mephis why come to #debian? |
| 08:39.31 | liable | asshole |
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| 08:39.45 | bob2 | drag_sid: because #mepis isn't the most useful technica; channel in the world |
| 08:39.46 | Phated | drag_sid: Morons require no explanations. |
| 08:39.53 | bob2 | like most newbie distro channels |
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| 08:39.55 | drag_sid | lol |
| 08:40.03 | beeblebrox87 | any other http server that supports file >2GB? |
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| 08:40.08 | Phated | Then again, if #mepis is such shite, why not use Debian? At least he'd be allowed in here. :) |
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| 08:40.11 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I HATE YOU! I DARE YOU TO BAN liable! |
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| 08:40.18 | Guerin | http is a braindead way to serve files >2G |
| 08:40.25 | liable | told him that, called me an asshole |
| 08:40.26 | Phated | beeblebrox87: Can't you SSH in and split or something? |
| 08:40.31 | TwistedEmotions | hahha |
| 08:40.34 | Guerin | use a ftpd running on 80 if you must |
| 08:40.45 | drag_sid | funny thing was that guerin probably got it right and fixed it for him and that pissed him off. |
| 08:40.51 | bob2 | or rsync |
| 08:40.55 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:41.02 | drag_sid | split! |
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| 08:41.02 | Guerin | bob2 loves his rsync |
| 08:41.03 | mwright1 | hi |
| 08:41.04 | liable | !slap TwistedEmotions |
| 08:41.08 | Guerin | netcat and split!2 |
| 08:41.10 | TwistedEmotions | !slap TwistedEmotions |
| 08:41.14 | Phated | split it is! |
| 08:41.19 | bob2 | I want to have rsync's babies. |
| 08:41.27 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:41.38 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone? VAIO fix? |
| 08:41.41 | Guerin | little bobsync2s! |
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| 08:41.46 | Phated | Hahahaha. |
| 08:41.47 | mwright1 | if Firefox isn't integrating into Kde properly .. ie if i click in the downloads dialog and say open containing folder and it does nothing then is there a way to set it to use konquerer? |
| 08:41.53 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: /msg dpkg tardware |
| 08:42.01 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: chill dude, I'm reading the damn website for you |
| 08:42.18 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: i lub u ;) |
| 08:42.18 | mwright1 | also what's the best RFB client to use on a win32 box if you wish to connect to desktop sharing on port 3030 |
| 08:42.23 | Guerin | mwright1: ask #kde |
| 08:42.23 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: thanks. |
| 08:42.45 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: I'd think thttpd would |
| 08:42.53 | mwright1 | Guerin: I have tried that course of action |
| 08:43.01 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: how was that suppose to help me?\ |
| 08:43.18 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: it's supposed to discourage you from buying toys instead of real hardware in the future. |
| 08:43.31 | Phated | TwistedEmotions: OR distract you while bob2 finishes reading. |
| 08:43.33 | Guerin | because sony makes toys, not real hardware. |
| 08:43.37 | liable | Guerin: hard with a lappie, not to get shitty hardware |
| 08:43.40 | TwistedEmotions | hahaha... |
| 08:43.43 | Phated | They make nice toys, though. |
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| 08:43.49 | Guerin | liable: you can do a lot better than a vaio... |
| 08:43.49 | drag_sid | toys are nice.. |
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| 08:43.55 | liable | Guerin: true |
| 08:43.57 | Phated | ThinkPads foreva! |
| 08:44.01 | liable | yay |
| 08:44.12 | bob2 | wow |
| 08:44.16 | TwistedEmotions | Hey at least they *look* sexy... and we all know we buy laptops for the looks and not performance. |
| 08:44.16 | bob2 | that's so amazingly broken |
| 08:44.20 | drag_sid | Nope. IBM sold that part off a couple months ago. |
| 08:44.21 | drag_sid | :P |
| 08:44.25 | mwright1 | hpaq is best -- cause I get them so cheap |
| 08:44.26 | Phated | TwistedEmotions: Ehm. No. |
| 08:44.33 | Phated | drag_sid: OLD thinkpads foreva! |
| 08:44.36 | Guerin | drag_sid: not yet, they didn't. |
| 08:45.01 | Guerin | drag_sid: i think the FTC or something was freaking about it; and in any case, IMB are still making the boxen on contract for a few years. |
| 08:45.13 | bob2 | Guerin: http://www-306.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-51697 |
| 08:45.20 | bob2 | Guerin: right hand side, middle |
| 08:45.51 | yaccobb | Have you some favourite screen toys even for small 1024x768 desktop ? |
| 08:45.58 | bob2 | yaccobb: tomboy |
| 08:46.26 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: so, in summary: sony don't actually know how to make computers, soboot debian with the no-hlt option. |
| 08:46.32 | drag_sid | Guerin: maybe government contracts or something like that. |
| 08:46.34 | Guerin | bob2: oh, it's gone through. Ok. |
| 08:46.45 | Guerin | but IBM are still making parts, aiui. |
| 08:46.59 | bob2 | Guerin: yeah, only had that link on hand because I was being depressed about it yesterday ;) |
| 08:47.05 | Guerin | bob2: heh |
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| 08:47.11 | bob2 | so, you can no longer buy IBM-compatible PCs from IBM. |
| 08:47.15 | yaccobb | bob2: wow, linux ATNotes ;) |
| 08:47.18 | mwright1 | all laptops are made in the same bunch of factories |
| 08:47.24 | drag_sid | ya but they make Apple parts now |
| 08:47.34 | Phated | I have no tomboy. :( |
| 08:47.38 | beeblebrox87 | thttpd gives error 500 |
| 08:47.39 | drag_sid | mwright1: YEP! |
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| 08:47.53 | drag_sid | different plastics for same lappies |
| 08:47.54 | bob2 | mwright1: sure, but the design and support are why I bought an expensive ibm instead of a chep acer or whatever |
| 08:47.56 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: WHY are you using a damn httpd? |
| 08:48.00 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: Yes. so it's possible? |
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| 08:48.08 | mwright1 | ibm do do good support |
| 08:48.12 | drag_sid | yep. |
| 08:48.14 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: yes... |
| 08:48.16 | mwright1 | I work @ hp so I bought HP cause I pay 1/4 of retail |
| 08:48.19 | TwistedEmotions | bob2: thanks. |
| 08:48.25 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: what should i use? |
| 08:48.25 | Guerin | mwright1: be rude not to. |
| 08:48.27 | drag_sid | we just bought a IBM server, dual xeon. The thing is fucking hardcore |
| 08:48.34 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: vsftpd. |
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| 08:48.56 | VoX | what java package do i have to install inorder to be to install azureus? |
| 08:48.58 | drag_sid | it has lcds that light up to tell you which PCI card goes bad, just incase one does, and it even has a plugable module for a embedded machine to monitor the hardware |
| 08:48.59 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: or rsync, though you can't use, eg, a browser to get your files off it then |
| 08:48.59 | mwright1 | i was looking with interest @ these dell precision desktops with 64bit processors and upto 16gb ram |
| 08:49.07 | mwright1 | run like intel's answer to AMD64 |
| 08:49.07 | Guerin | VoX: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 08:49.12 | Phated | Heh, the Linux meetup here are doing an outing to IBM to check out Blade servers next week. :) |
| 08:49.28 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: try another httpd then |
| 08:49.36 | drag_sid | Hope they will end up with Cell-based worksations. |
| 08:49.39 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: there is a reason people don't use http servers for sillily big files... |
| 08:49.48 | VoX | Guerin: cheers |
| 08:49.48 | drag_sid | They demo'd a Cell-based blad running Linux 2.6.11 |
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| 08:49.53 | amorphix | greets |
| 08:49.53 | drag_sid | er blade |
| 08:49.54 | Phated | Stupidly might have been a better word. :) |
| 08:50.03 | yaccobb | bob2: I can't find in www1.apt-get.org, is there some Debian way to install it ? |
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| 08:50.28 | bob2 | yaccobb: install what? |
| 08:50.36 | yaccobb | bob2: tomboy |
| 08:50.40 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: tried rsync, it didn't even start downloading because it was too busy copying all of foo into .foo.8tg6w |
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| 08:50.57 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: heh, that's disableable. |
| 08:51.08 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: you know what ftp stands for, right? |
| 08:51.10 | amorphix | well guys, after 3 days on the case and numerous attempts i did not manage to get my Wacom pad working under Sarge and have concluded that it is not supported |
| 08:51.11 | beeblebrox87 | yes |
| 08:51.13 | Guerin | FILE transfer protocol |
| 08:51.23 | Guerin | it's for transferring FILES. Even big ones. |
| 08:51.23 | bob2 | yaccobb: suck, not in debian yet |
| 08:51.25 | bob2 | oh well |
| 08:51.27 | beeblebrox87 | setting up ftp to do this now. but how do i disable that in rsync? |
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| 08:51.39 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: man rsync |
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| 08:52.09 | drag_sid | amorphix: I have Wacom pad! |
| 08:52.12 | amorphix | when will sid become testing? |
| 08:52.12 | bob2 | rsync -azv user@host:/pth/to/file ./file |
| 08:52.16 | drag_sid | works perfectly. |
| 08:52.16 | bob2 | amorphix: never |
| 08:52.22 | amorphix | drag_sid working under sid? |
| 08:52.23 | bob2 | amorphix: the next version of testing is called etch |
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| 08:52.30 | Phated | amorphix: Never. |
| 08:52.32 | amorphix | oh |
| 08:52.39 | Guerin | !sid faq |
| 08:52.39 | dpkg | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 08:52.42 | liable | amorphix: furrywolf is your man for that, if you can catch him |
| 08:52.45 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: rather than telling me to read 15000 words, can you give me a hint what the option is? |
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| 08:52.55 | ozzloy | stupid question, how do i check which debian i'm currently using? sarge versus stable |
| 08:53.05 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: i don't know if ottomh; try what bob2 said. |
| 08:53.06 | drag_sid | amorphix: yes, but it will work under testing, too. You have to isntall special drivers to get all the features and configure XF86Config-4 correctly. |
| 08:53.12 | bob2 | ozzloy: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:53.15 | amorphix | ok, i will try but im at my wits end with it..its really annoying and a shame i cant use my hardware in Linux and may have to stop using Linux as a desktop OS |
| 08:53.16 | Guerin | s/if/it/ |
| 08:53.30 | Fare | ahem. dictd dies because it says a C locale is incompatible with a utf8 dictionary -- even though I set my locale to en_US.utf8 |
| 08:53.41 | amorphix | drag_sid: phew tell me about it, i went all thru it about 4x yesterday |
| 08:53.50 | amorphix | i must be doing it wrong |
| 08:53.50 | ozzloy | bob2, 3.1 |
| 08:53.54 | ozzloy | is that sarge? |
| 08:53.57 | bob2 | Fare: did you generate the en_US.utf8 locale? |
| 08:54.00 | ozzloy | i'm thinking that's sarge |
| 08:54.10 | Guerin | amorphix: /msg dpkg tardware |
| 08:54.10 | Fare | bob2: I don't know. How do I check? |
| 08:54.11 | liable | ozzloy: yes |
| 08:54.24 | bob2 | Fare: then you didn't. |
| 08:54.26 | Fare | and if not, how do I generate it? |
| 08:54.28 | bob2 | Fare: sudo localeconf |
| 08:54.35 | drag_sid | amorphix: you try: http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/main |
| 08:54.41 | Fare | command not found. Ouch. |
| 08:54.51 | Fare | bob2: thanks! |
| 08:54.52 | Guerin | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:54.53 | drag_sid | download their package, and copy the correct example wacom driver over yours |
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| 08:55.19 | amorphix | drag_sid thats what ive been following for 3 days |
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| 08:55.39 | amorphix | everything is setup but my Wacom pad just doesnt respond |
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| 08:55.54 | drag_sid | try getting output with wacdump? |
| 08:55.55 | amorphix | even wacdump detects but provides no output |
| 08:56.10 | drag_sid | detects, but no output? |
| 08:56.25 | drag_sid | so it doesn't report any movement or anything like that? |
| 08:56.32 | amorphix | well it seems to know the pad is connected, as it runs but nothing happens past that |
| 08:56.35 | drag_sid | but identifies the device correctly? |
| 08:56.35 | amorphix | no |
| 08:56.39 | Fare | ahem, I already have the newest version. What do I need to do? And dpkg-reconfigure localeconf isn't enough either, it seems |
| 08:56.42 | drag_sid | ok |
| 08:56.47 | Guerin | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:56.52 | amorphix | well i say identifies, it just loads up on the right port |
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| 08:56.59 | drag_sid | do you have a LCD indicator on your wacom board? |
| 08:57.04 | amorphix | no :( |
| 08:57.09 | bob2 | Fare: what Guerin said |
| 08:57.23 | amorphix | im running a PenPartner, old serial one |
| 08:57.32 | Fare | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:57.33 | amorphix | should be easy to setup |
| 08:57.42 | drag_sid | amorphix: when you use wacdump it shows that it's is a wacom pad, right? |
| 08:57.43 | Phated | Eh, WTF, why would someone post messages on a forum in a different annoying colour for EACH MESSAGE? |
| 08:57.53 | beeblebrox87 | bob2: that doesn't work, rsync still creates the .foo.randomnumbers file when trying to download something to foo |
| 08:57.54 | Phated | Stupid fuckers. |
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| 08:57.59 | Guerin | Phated: people are fucking idiots. |
| 08:58.03 | liable | because the're an ass |
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| 08:58.07 | amorphix | drag_sid: doesnt show nothing at all, just takes the cursor away and locks |
| 08:58.10 | Phated | Guerin: I agree. Thankfully, not in my course. |
| 08:58.12 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: er, so? |
| 08:58.14 | amorphix | maybe the driver is screwed? |
| 08:58.19 | Guerin | CHRIST |
| 08:58.20 | drag_sid | wacdump does that? |
| 08:58.23 | drag_sid | wow |
| 08:58.23 | amorphix | yes |
| 08:58.25 | Guerin | use a FUCKING ftpd already |
| 08:58.32 | drag_sid | what kernel you using? |
| 08:58.38 | beeblebrox87 | bob2: so it's needlessly copying a 2GB file around |
| 08:58.41 | Guerin | i could have DOWNLOADED a 2G file in the time you've been whining about http and rsync |
| 08:58.49 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: did you forget to use --partial? |
| 08:58.54 | amorphix | drag: just upgraded to stock kernel 2.6.8-2 |
| 08:59.04 | beeblebrox87 | i used --partial. |
| 08:59.09 | Guerin | Fare: takes a while on slow machines. |
| 08:59.16 | drag_sid | you using the wacom module from that kernel, right? |
| 08:59.22 | Guerin | Fare: more broken than ... |
| 08:59.23 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: then it is making use of the 2gb yo ualready have |
| 08:59.24 | Fare | Guerin: which is why I said, on the fly, and by default |
| 08:59.35 | bob2 | Fare: that would be a stupid default |
| 08:59.52 | Fare | Guerin: well, at least, Apple attempts to build a sensible userland (but it's proprietary) |
| 08:59.53 | bob2 | Fare: you want every program using gettext to have root permissions in case it needs to generate a locale? |
| 08:59.58 | amorphix | drag_sid: no, i followed that page on the howto site relating to the Debian part and so used the tarball from that howto site |
| 09:00.03 | Guerin | Fare: yeah, I want it to pause and regenerate locales every time I use a program which wants a new one |
| 09:00.03 | bob2 | what happens when I do LOCALE=FUCKMEINTHEHEAD? |
| 09:00.03 | Fare | bob2: ever heard of a server? |
| 09:00.06 | amorphix | i screwed up? |
| 09:00.08 | bob2 | Fare: haha |
| 09:00.11 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:00.11 | Fare | there's a nameserver, why not a localeserver |
| 09:00.17 | Guerin | apple ... sensible .. haha |
| 09:00.22 | Fare | no locale? wait, I'll generate it. |
| 09:00.33 | Guerin | Fare: that's the problem: wait. |
| 09:00.38 | Fare | bob2: the server replies "error, locale not known" |
| 09:00.46 | seldon | bob2: MOst likely, all setlocale calls will fail, so you get stuck with the C locale. |
| 09:00.48 | Fare | what's the problem with waiting? |
| 09:00.48 | beeblebrox87 | bob2: no, it isn't, the first bytes of .foo.randnumbers are identical to the first bytes of foo. it's just uselessly copying. |
| 09:01.03 | Fare | (only the first time around) |
| 09:01.04 | Guerin | Fare: what's the problem with generating your localse, once, then forgetting about it? |
| 09:01.09 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: you did something wrong |
| 09:01.18 | bob2 | I use rsync --partial all the time to fix up partial downloads |
| 09:01.27 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: show us the whole command line you're using |
| 09:01.42 | drag_sid | amorphix: on my kernel it creates a sym link at /dev/input/wacom that points to the correct /dev/input/event#, does it do teh same for you? |
| 09:01.49 | Fare | common-lisp-controller does this kind of thing ... compilation on the fly of the modules you need, if they weren't compiled before (which you may choose to do systematically at debian installation time, at the cost of latency) |
| 09:01.56 | beeblebrox87 | rsync --partial --no-whole-file -av /mnt/foo foo |
| 09:02.11 | Fare | Guerin: you could also generate all locales for all languages, indeed |
| 09:02.18 | beeblebrox87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.41 | amorphix | drag_sid: nothing |
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| 09:03.11 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: the file is actually called foo? |
| 09:03.33 | drag_sid | ok... try this, try cat /dev/input/event# on each event and see if you can get a response from whiggling the stylus on the pad. |
| 09:03.34 | Fare | dictd is still complaining :( :( :( |
| 09:03.36 | liable | no its called pr0n, what else would be > 2G |
| 09:03.43 | drag_sid | see if you can find the correct event file that way. |
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| 09:04.04 | ozzloy | thanks bob2 and liable |
| 09:04.05 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: and you're actuall ydoing this over a local filesystem? |
| 09:04.06 | drag_sid | should get response from your mouse and other things, and one just for your wacom pad |
| 09:04.06 | Fare | liable: we have stuff here >2G and it's not pr0n, I promise |
| 09:04.07 | amorphix | ok |
| 09:04.18 | ozzloy | sorry for being a tad late on the thanx |
| 09:04.20 | drag_sid | it can corrupt your terminal, so do it on a xterm |
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| 09:04.23 | liable | Fare: I believe you, but most wouldnt :) |
| 09:04.31 | beeblebrox87 | no, it's an iso, but that's not relevant. and no, /mnt isn't local |
| 09:04.31 | drag_sid | make it all gibberish |
| 09:04.36 | TwistedEmotions | Can wine emulate a net connection too? |
| 09:04.44 | amorphix | drag_sid: what kernel are you running? |
| 09:04.46 | Guerin | goddamn |
| 09:04.49 | bob2 | beeblebrox87: so, you didnt actually show us the command line you used |
| 09:04.51 | bob2 | TwistedEmotions: yes... |
| 09:04.53 | Guerin | what an outrageously stupid idea |
| 09:05.02 | liable | what? |
| 09:05.16 | Karnaugh | *blink* |
| 09:05.26 | beeblebrox87 | bob2: i suppose not, what's your point? |
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| 09:05.38 | drag_sid | 2.6.11-drag-1 |
| 09:05.42 | drag_sid | :) |
| 09:05.48 | amorphix | :) |
| 09:05.58 | drag_sid | I am not at home right now, so I don't have access to my pad at this moment |
| 09:06.02 | drag_sid | :/ |
| 09:06.08 | amorphix | ah well |
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| 09:06.32 | Fare | apparently, I need to add --locale en_US.utf8 to the dictd invocation. |
| 09:07.12 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: and vsftpd gives error 500 for some reason |
| 09:07.47 | Fare | which is strangely commented out in the default configuration file |
| 09:07.59 | drag_sid | amorphix: how I do it is just use the wacom kernel driver that comes with my kernel, then copy the example wacom_drv.o file |
| 09:08.05 | TwistedEmotions | xwine --config error: wine doesn't work, you have to install it... |
| 09:08.06 | drag_sid | to the the correct location |
| 09:08.21 | TwistedEmotions | apt-get install xwine? wasnt that installing? |
| 09:08.24 | Fare | the wonderful world of linux locales... |
| 09:08.24 | drag_sid | then the only hard part is editing the xf86config correctly. |
| 09:08.33 | Fare | (so braindead) |
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| 09:08.48 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=10&q=http://www.ftpplanet.com/ftpresources/ftp_faq.html&e=9707 |
| 09:09.00 | glick | scuse me, i installed X and xdm |
| 09:09.11 | TwistedEmotions | man xwine sucks my balls. |
| 09:09.12 | rijakr | Is there a way to boot from pcmcia if the bios doesn't support it? |
| 09:09.20 | Karnaugh | TwistedEmotions: why are you wasting your time with Wine? |
| 09:09.24 | glick | yet when i type xdm it doesnt open an xdm, when i reboot, it says starting xdm but then it doesnt and simply leaves me at the console |
| 09:09.25 | Fare | whoever invented locales should be shot |
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| 09:09.47 | rijakr | Like can I add something to Lilo and point it to a compact flash card in the pcmcia slot? |
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| 09:09.54 | liable | rijakr: pcmcia what? |
| 09:09.57 | TwistedEmotions | Karnaugh: I'm addicted to pokerstars dammit! and I cant play ;P |
| 09:10.03 | glick | how do i make it so xdm starts? |
| 09:10.07 | Phated | rijakr: Only if it's a bootable device? :) |
| 09:10.08 | Guerin | !log |
| 09:10.08 | dpkg | Yeah, big guy, show me your /var/log!, or "It's /var/log, /var/log, it's big, it's heavy, it's wood! It's /var/log, /var/log, it's better than bad it's good!" |
| 09:10.15 | Guerin | glick: ^^^ |
| 09:10.19 | drag_sid | glick: /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 09:10.19 | Fare | rijakr: you can load your kernel with a ramdisk that initializes pcmcia and uses pivot_root |
| 09:10.29 | Fare | (I do that on my wince pda) |
| 09:10.34 | rijakr | I'm trying to do some testing with Pebble Linux on a 64mb compact flash card for some wireless testing. |
| 09:10.48 | Guerin | Fare: heh, *wince* |
| 09:11.11 | rijakr | It's just a pain to install pebble on the card, then pull it out and boot it off usb on a different box because that box has usb-hdd boot options. |
| 09:11.11 | Fare | Guerin: it's in ROM... hacking a flash for it would cost more than buying a newer pda |
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| 09:11.22 | ozzloy | anyone here using ndiswrapper? i got to the point of modprobing ndiswrapper, but it says that module is not found |
| 09:11.26 | Guerin | Fare: yeah. |
| 09:11.27 | Fare | maybe I should buy a better pda... |
| 09:11.33 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 09:11.33 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:11.36 | Fare | or a laptop |
| 09:11.50 | liable | ozzloy: good howto's out there for ndiswrapper |
| 09:12.14 | amorphix | drag_sid: no response/output on the events :-/ |
| 09:12.32 | glick | hmm i cant startx either? |
| 09:12.40 | Guerin | glick: why not? |
| 09:12.42 | drag_sid | do you have your wacom module loaded? |
| 09:12.47 | ozzloy | liable, i have followed the howto, it doesn't have what to do if the module is not found. thanx Guerin i didn't no that was a bad question |
| 09:12.52 | drag_sid | amorphix: modprobe wacom |
| 09:12.57 | Guerin | glick: you don't know, because you haven't READ THE FUCKING LOGS. |
| 09:12.58 | drag_sid | then do dmesg |
| 09:13.01 | glick | guerin something about /usr/Xll/bin/X not being found |
| 09:13.07 | Guerin | gah |
| 09:13.10 | liable | ozzloy: standard kernel? |
| 09:13.17 | Guerin | glick: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 09:13.18 | drag_sid | unplug and plug back in the wacom tablet, then use dmesg see if you get events |
| 09:13.30 | amorphix | drag_sid: dont think it's loading, just returns command prompt |
| 09:13.30 | liable | glick: install x-window-system??? |
| 09:13.37 | liable | bah |
| 09:13.52 | drag_sid | amorphix: lsmod |grep wacom |
| 09:13.54 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: okay, vsftpd is now working, except it dies a 2GB too. |
| 09:14.01 | drag_sid | then use dmesg |
| 09:14.08 | drag_sid | you'r using USB wacom pad? |
| 09:14.08 | amorphix | grad_sid: in lsmod its showing as loaded but not used |
| 09:14.12 | glick | heh i thought that would have been pulled down automatically when i pulled down xfce4 |
| 09:14.14 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: it's gotta be a local filesystem thing. |
| 09:14.15 | amorphix | *drag |
| 09:14.29 | amorphix | drag_sid: serial on ttyS0 |
| 09:14.31 | beeblebrox87 | but i have a 4GB file right here |
| 09:14.40 | liable | glick: not neccessaraly |
| 09:14.42 | drag_sid | oh, crap. I only use USB version |
| 09:14.49 | amorphix | drag_sid: module is showing as "wacom" on lsmod |
| 09:14.51 | ozzloy | liable, yes standard kernel |
| 09:15.04 | amorphix | drag_sid: oh i see, serial is supposed to be much easier to setup eh ! |
| 09:15.16 | glick | hot damn! its passed 5am |
| 09:15.22 | glick | i should get my ass to bed! |
| 09:15.35 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: I know for a fact that vsftpd supports large filesizes. |
| 09:15.43 | Guerin | files greater than 2GB |
| 09:15.57 | Guerin | hrm, maybe a ftp client thing |
| 09:16.05 | theD3viL | What i must install to play *.ogg and *.wma files ? |
| 09:16.11 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: http://ftp.isu.edu.tw/pub/Unix/FTP/vsftpd/untar/vsftpd-2.0.1/FAQ # right down near the bottom |
| 09:16.17 | TwistedEmotions | error: wine doesn't work, you have to install it... Anyone know wtf its talking about? |
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| 09:16.25 | beeblebrox87 | yeah, maybe wget doesn't... what's a good ftp client that supports resuming? |
| 09:16.25 | drag_sid | amorphix: you know which /dev/ttys* it is attatched too? |
| 09:16.32 | Guerin | theD3viL: vorbis-tools for ogg, /msg dpkg rarewares for wma |
| 09:16.35 | amorphix | drag_sid: 0 |
| 09:16.39 | ozzloy | liable, i did: apt-get install apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-2-386; grabbed the files off the cd, did the ndis -i, then tried the modprobe |
| 09:16.40 | liable | ozzloy: apt-cache search ndiswrapper, looks promising :) |
| 09:16.40 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: lftpd |
| 09:16.45 | drag_sid | /dev/ttyS* I mean |
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| 09:16.49 | Guerin | s/d// |
| 09:16.49 | liable | ozzloy: oh |
| 09:16.52 | theD3viL | Guerin, txn :) |
| 09:17.02 | ozzloy | woops, take out the second apt-get install |
| 09:17.05 | amorphix | drag_sid: i verified this cuz i use this port for my Palm too occasionally |
| 09:17.31 | amorphix | drag_sid: definitely ttyS0 |
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| 09:17.43 | drag_sid | try cat /dev/ttyS0 |
| 09:17.52 | amorphix | ok |
| 09:18.13 | Guerin | goddamn, I want pizza so much |
| 09:18.28 | liable | ozzloy: is it in /lib/modules/2.6.8/blah? extra maybe? |
| 09:18.32 | Guerin | if my damn wife would drag her arse out of bed and clean the kitchen, i'd even make some. |
| 09:18.38 | liable | haha |
| 09:18.39 | amorphix | drag_sid: same as wacdump, takes the prompt away and locks |
| 09:18.57 | liable | glick: no pizza shop? |
| 09:19.11 | liable | errr |
| 09:19.13 | ozzloy | liable, i don't know. i am not really not sure what it means to load a module |
| 09:19.18 | Guerin | liable: korean pizza is horrible to behild |
| 09:19.18 | liable | Guerin: ^^ |
| 09:19.21 | Guerin | or behold |
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| 09:19.32 | beeblebrox87 | god, why should it be so much trouble to move a file from one machine to another |
| 09:19.34 | karl_ | Can anyone help sudo netstat -anp gives me an open tcp port 2049 I can telnet there But I can not figure out what is listning there netstat shows - instead of pid |
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| 09:19.46 | ozzloy | liable, i'm now reading what it says here: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/InstallDebianSarge |
| 09:19.47 | Guerin | ever had pizza with corn, mayonnaise, mashed sweet potato and canned fruit salad on it? |
| 09:19.50 | liable | why is that, funny, they reckon italian pizza is crap too |
| 09:20.05 | liable | holy shit, thats fucking out there |
| 09:20.15 | ozzloy | it says to get kernel headers and make a symlink, i didn't do that, might that be where the problem lies? |
| 09:20.15 | technos | Guerin: Please tell me they don't serve that as "pizza" |
| 09:20.25 | Guerin | liable: 'they' being people who've grown up with flabby overloaded doughboy american-style pizza |
| 09:20.31 | Guerin | technos: oh, they do. |
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| 09:20.39 | Guerin | pizza with botato wedges on it, anyone? |
| 09:20.44 | Guerin | fucking potato |
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| 09:21.15 | Oliver_ | don't fuck potatoes, unless they're mashed |
| 09:21.32 | ozzloy | liable, nevermind i don't think that's it. if i do ndis -l it shows the card installed and says the hardware is present |
| 09:21.33 | Guerin | Oliver_: well, if it's gonna be that kinda party... |
| 09:21.38 | liable | Guerin: maybe its just *gormeau* or however you spell that |
| 09:21.43 | Oliver_ | don't forget the gravy :D |
| 09:21.48 | Guerin | gourmet |
| 09:21.50 | bbrazil | karl_: NFS ? |
| 09:21.53 | liable | thats it |
| 09:21.54 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: looking at the man page, lftp does not appear to support resume |
| 09:21.56 | technos | Guerin: So long as it's tomatoe-y and cheesy, I could see the potato wedges. |
| 09:22.00 | drag_sid | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.11 | theD3viL | Guerin, what now i must search? |
| 09:22.13 | Guerin | i'm a pizza traditionalist |
| 09:22.23 | karl_ | bbrazil: no |
| 09:22.27 | amorphix | ok thanks anyway drag_sid, i might try moving to 2.6.8-11 |
| 09:22.28 | liable | what tomatoe and cheese? |
| 09:22.30 | Guerin | i was a pizza chef for a while in an old-skool italian pizzeria |
| 09:22.36 | Guerin | (not in italy) |
| 09:22.37 | nunez | what would be the command to start another X session? |
| 09:22.39 | GregM | hi , upgraded from woody kerenl to sarge and xserver crashes "faled to load module pex5" and " failed to load module xie |
| 09:22.47 | Guerin | theD3viL: ? |
| 09:22.51 | GregM | any ideas? |
| 09:22.51 | beeblebrox87 | meanwhile, rsync has yet to actually start downloading. |
| 09:23.00 | liable | nunez: another? |
| 09:23.07 | nunez | liable: yes |
| 09:23.19 | liable | ozzloy: does lsmod show the moduleas loaded |
| 09:23.23 | ozzloy | so i think it's a matter of getting that module loaded and that its not in the right place. but i don't know where to look for the module or where to put it |
| 09:23.23 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: hrm, I dunno. there are a million other ftp clients... ncftp, snarf |
| 09:23.32 | Guerin | are you SURE lftp doesn't support resume? |
| 09:23.37 | theD3viL | Guerin, for wma support? .... i add extra repositiors |
| 09:23.39 | Oliver_ | i always liked yafc for ftp |
| 09:23.49 | Guerin | theD3viL: apt-cache search wma? |
| 09:23.51 | ozzloy | liable, lsmod|grep ndis; shows nothing |
| 09:23.51 | liable | ozzloy: /lib/modules/2.6.8/extra or something |
| 09:23.57 | theD3viL | lol =) |
| 09:24.30 | liable | ozzloy: or network maybe |
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| 09:24.39 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: fuck's sake, am I going to have to wipe your arse for you, too? |
| 09:24.39 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 09:24.45 | Guerin | beeblebrox87: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/linux/cmd/l/lftp.html |
| 09:24.59 | Guerin | first fucking hit on The Oracle of Google |
| 09:25.08 | beeblebrox87 | Guerin: the words "resume" and "continue" do not appear in the man page |
| 09:25.17 | ^rob^ | is there a way to limit bandwith to intranet ip? - |
| 09:25.28 | beeblebrox87 | at least, not in the local version of it |
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| 09:25.36 | davi | Where can I get the .config file used to compile the kernel-image 2.4.27 Sarge package ? |
| 09:25.52 | ozzloy | liable, i get something here.. this directory exists with .ko file in it: /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko bcm |
| 09:25.54 | beeblebrox87 | thank you |
| 09:25.56 | ^rob^ | i want to limit bandwith to all intranet ip on port 80 |
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| 09:26.13 | ^rob^ | is there a way to do this? |
| 09:26.32 | liable | ozzloy: ok, so its there, but obviously modprobe cant find it |
| 09:26.40 | liable | ozzloy: update-modules? |
| 09:26.45 | ozzloy | liable, but that's the only thing in */2.6.8-2-386/* everything else is in */2.6.8-2-686/* |
| 09:27.07 | liable | ozzloy: what kernel are you in now? |
| 09:27.22 | ozzloy | 686! |
| 09:27.26 | ozzloy | hey that's neat |
| 09:27.39 | liable | ozzloy: ffs, get the 686 ones then |
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| 09:28.14 | ozzloy | liable, thanx, sorry for that |
| 09:28.49 | liable | ozzloy: np, dont do it again :) |
| 09:28.53 | ozzloy | hehehe |
| 09:29.24 | VChriZZ | could someone help me with my samba config? i want to set it up as domain controller, but when i try to log onto the DC (regardless which user) i get "access denied" on the win2k workstation... my config file: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VMB73n97.html |
| 09:29.41 | liable | davi: why are you compiling |
| 09:30.00 | liable | davi: its in /boot btw |
| 09:30.17 | davi | liable, I need it due to I use VMware |
| 09:30.30 | liable | davi: ^^ |
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| 09:30.38 | davi | I need to compile the VMware modules and load it |
| 09:30.40 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.46 | liable | davi: /boot |
| 09:30.49 | davi | thanks |
| 09:30.53 | liable | np |
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| 09:31.20 | bbrazil | VChriZZ: you done smbpasswd? |
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| 09:31.40 | liable | davi: you'll need to rename .config and put it in source |
| 09:31.41 | VChriZZ | sure |
| 09:31.49 | VChriZZ | http://www.tutorials.de/showthread.php?p=55876#post55876 |
| 09:31.56 | davi | thanks liable !! |
| 09:32.32 | VChriZZ | http://www.freeos.com/articles/3842/ |
| 09:32.34 | liable | davi: cant just apt-get headers? |
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| 09:32.45 | VChriZZ | i tried these two guides, but im not able to logon |
| 09:32.50 | ozzloy | liable, i now have 2 working wireless cards on my lappy! |
| 09:32.53 | blahh | i installed ati fglrx driver, and ran fglrxconfig the configuration replaced my xfree86 config file now my system dont boot how can i reconfigure it back to normal? |
| 09:32.54 | ozzloy | thanx |
| 09:33.04 | liable | ozzloy: :) |
| 09:33.10 | VChriZZ | i tried as root, got "no such user or password wrong" |
| 09:33.20 | liable | ozzloy: wtf 2 for? |
| 09:33.27 | VChriZZ | as samba user i get "access denied" |
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| 09:34.04 | ozzloy | well i have the mini-pci that came with it, but the signal drops and sucks. so a friend of mine lent me his wireless g pc-card |
| 09:34.21 | liable | oh |
| 09:34.41 | ozzloy | can i use them both at the same time? |
| 09:34.59 | rijakr | What card are they? |
| 09:35.10 | blahh | anyway to reconfigure x11? |
| 09:35.15 | rijakr | WPC54G? |
| 09:35.28 | liable | !tell blahh about drxx |
| 09:35.43 | ozzloy | it shows the signal on the pc-card as better. it's a airlink card. Card: Airlink+ 802.11g Model#WLC3010 |
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| 09:36.20 | blahh | ta |
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| 09:36.40 | liable | ozzloy: you could have em both up at the same time, to see signal strength errors etc |
| 09:37.11 | rijakr | I did some testing with a Soekris 4511-30 board, running Pebble Linux and a Linksys WPC11 (v3) worked. :> |
| 09:37.11 | ozzloy | it looks like they are both up right now, but does that mean that i could download faster using both cards? |
| 09:37.16 | rijakr | Prism is my hero. |
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| 09:37.42 | liable | ozzloy: no, dont think so |
| 09:37.51 | ozzloy | damnit |
| 09:37.55 | rijakr | lol |
| 09:38.03 | davi | liable, I am going to try to compile with just headers. I will report you. |
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| 09:38.50 | rijakr | What chipset is in an Airlink? |
| 09:38.53 | liable | davi: ok, should work |
| 09:39.15 | ozzloy | rijakr, broadcom |
| 09:39.28 | rijakr | oohh |
| 09:39.30 | ozzloy | 0000:03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
| 09:39.53 | rijakr | I'm trying to decide on which to use as a backhaul A or B. |
| 09:39.58 | rijakr | er, A or G |
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| 09:41.26 | ozzloy | rijakr, idk depends on if you want the speed |
| 09:41.51 | liable | security is the main between a and g |
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| 09:42.00 | davi | thanks liable |
| 09:42.05 | ozzloy | liable, security? |
| 09:42.06 | davi | rebooting |
| 09:42.08 | liable | davi: np |
| 09:42.18 | liable | ozzloy: wpa |
| 09:42.28 | ozzloy | a doesn't do wpa? |
| 09:42.38 | liable | ozzloy: no wep |
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| 09:42.43 | ozzloy | oic |
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| 09:42.50 | ozzloy | i thought wep was weak anyways |
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| 09:43.08 | technos | WEP is better than nothing though |
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| 09:43.12 | liable | yes |
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| 09:43.38 | ozzloy | thanx liable again |
| 09:43.42 | liable | ozzloy: i meant no, a uses wep, g uses wpa |
| 09:43.53 | ozzloy | oic ic |
| 09:44.05 | ozzloy | wpa i haven't heard as much about |
| 09:44.23 | rijakr | I don't need to worry about security though. |
| 09:44.34 | rijakr | It's a bridge from office -> tower. MAC specific. |
| 09:44.44 | rijakr | Using FHSS (frequency hopping spread spectrum) |
| 09:44.52 | ozzloy | because MACs can't be spoofed? |
| 09:44.57 | rijakr | They can be |
| 09:44.57 | ozzloy | oic |
| 09:45.02 | ozzloy | right |
| 09:45.03 | rijakr | But it's a beotch. |
| 09:45.12 | liable | mac resolution can be hacked |
| 09:45.12 | ozzloy | what's the FHSS? |
| 09:45.18 | rijakr | Yeah |
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| 09:46.12 | Overand | is there a good guide for finding good laptops, esp. re: linux hardware support? |
| 09:46.19 | Overand | i think i may be outgrowing this P2-400 thinkpad |
| 09:46.24 | Overand | =] |
| 09:46.31 | technos | Hahaha. Local paper makes a big deal, gushing at length about the terrible, dangerous heat, and that it being so hot we had our first heat warning EVAH!!11!.. Of course, the Boston Globe reports it and points out this is the first year they've ever actually been able to issue them. |
| 09:46.33 | liable | Overand: *new* thinkpad :) |
| 09:46.45 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:47.01 | ozzloy | Overand, if you find such a guide please tell me. i've heard good things about the thinkpad. |
| 09:47.04 | rijakr | http://www.linux.org/hardware/laptop.html |
| 09:47.06 | Overand | does "IBM" still make them, or are they being made by that chinese company that IBM sold their PC business to? |
| 09:47.11 | liable | Guerin: been making pizza? |
| 09:47.29 | Guerin | naw, Her Majesty is still in bed ... despite it being 1846 |
| 09:47.40 | Guerin | i'll go to dominos, it's the best of a bad bunch |
| 09:47.52 | liable | dominos in korea? |
| 09:47.52 | Phated | linux-laptop.net? |
| 09:47.59 | rijakr | http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ |
| 09:48.05 | Guerin | liable: omfg, chain stores!!1 |
| 09:48.10 | liable | hah |
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| 09:48.30 | ozzloy | how do i tell which card i'm using to connect? |
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| 09:48.47 | Overand | hm, i SUPPOSE I could go for a powerbook, but the price would have to be right |
| 09:49.06 | technos | liable: Monaghan has em everywhere. |
| 09:49.07 | ozzloy | Overand, i am probly going apple next computer i ge |
| 09:49.09 | ozzloy | get |
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| 09:49.20 | ozzloy | though that won't be for a while |
| 09:49.29 | technos | liable: I hear they're building one at Everest base camp to compete with the McDonalds. |
| 09:49.29 | rijakr | What are they setup as? wlan0/1 eth1/2? |
| 09:49.32 | liable | thinkpad thinkpad thinkpad :) |
| 09:49.33 | Guerin | Overand: friends don't let friends by crappleware. |
| 09:49.37 | liable | technos: hehe |
| 09:49.40 | rijakr | crappleware ahahahaha |
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| 09:49.48 | ozzloy | rijakr, they are wlan0 and eth0 |
| 09:49.53 | Overand | Guerin: powerbooks are fine, and would be much mor efine if they cost 30% less |
| 09:49.54 | warhead | Hello, I have sat system Dreambox 7020, and I please help, any program for skynet download data under linux ? |
| 09:50.03 | rijakr | eth0 is one card and wlan the other |
| 09:50.08 | Guerin | Overand: does everything actually work in free software yet? |
| 09:50.09 | liable | ozzloy: route? |
| 09:50.10 | ozzloy | eth0 is the mini-pci card |
| 09:50.21 | ozzloy | wlan0 is the pc-card |
| 09:50.22 | Guerin | last i heard the wireless was busted |
| 09:50.27 | Guerin | and some other shit, too. |
| 09:50.48 | Overand | Guerin: i was actually envisioning myself using my old compaq 802.11b card |
| 09:50.49 | Overand | WL110 |
| 09:51.01 | Overand | i think there are still some broken bits |
| 09:51.03 | liable | technos: micky d's at everest base camp? |
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| 09:51.16 | liable | technos: really? |
| 09:51.17 | rijakr | Man morning pizza is always the best |
| 09:51.24 | liable | I am gullible |
| 09:51.25 | amorphix | how do i quit X and get back to shell |
| 09:51.28 | technos | liable: Starbucks too.. Naw, I'm joking. :)( |
| 09:51.29 | davi | liable, Another question. I have installed over IDE Software RAID1, but only on one disk. Now, If I compile the raid1 module in kernel both disk are used, but buttom with the custom debian sarge kernel it only use the hard disk with I defined when I installed the host. Note: I added the second to the raid1 with "mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/hdc1" and I added /dev/hdc1 to the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf file. |
| 09:51.30 | ozzloy | micky d's @ everest? |
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| 09:51.40 | amorphix | (im running gdm) |
| 09:51.54 | rijakr | People still run X? |
| 09:51.59 | liable | davi: sorry, know nothing about raid :( |
| 09:52.04 | amorphix | rijakr: what else? |
| 09:52.12 | davi | liable, np |
| 09:52.17 | Guerin | amorphix: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 09:52.22 | liable | amorphix: why not just alt + F1 |
| 09:52.25 | amorphix | Guerin: thanks |
| 09:52.28 | rijakr | Console > * |
| 09:53.01 | Phated | Ctrl-Alt, actually, but yeah. |
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| 09:53.21 | liable | Phated: corrected :) |
| 09:53.22 | Guerin | rijakr: when there's firefox or comparable browser for console, i'll ditch X |
| 09:53.30 | rijakr | lynx/links |
| 09:53.40 | Phated | Hah. |
| 09:54.01 | Guerin | rijakr: no way. They're like a banged up old mini compared to a shiny new rally car. |
| 09:54.12 | rijakr | Ok, I do use flux for enjoying porn |
| 09:54.13 | Guerin | same goes for links2 -g |
| 09:54.25 | liable | davi: software raid on linux isnt very supported I believe |
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| 09:55.02 | rijakr | wget -d blah.com/index.html; vi index.html |
| 09:55.07 | rijakr | just envision it...right? |
| 09:55.16 | Phated | less it. :P |
| 09:55.42 | paulswm | !fruitsmite Phated |
| 09:55.48 | Phated | Eeeep. |
| 09:55.55 | technos | Guerin: There used to be a svgalib/framebuffer browser called Tao or Zen or something. |
| 09:55.55 | paulswm | There are those bananas! |
| 09:56.03 | tgwj | might is be possible to compile firefox for framebuffer? |
| 09:56.12 | rijakr | unless there's that funkay ^M, tr -d '\r' <index.html >index.htm |
| 09:56.13 | davi | liable, It really works very well for me! |
| 09:56.35 | Guerin | tgwj: i've tried to compile gtk+ for framebuffer, thinking i'd then build firefox to use those libs... but man, it failed BADLY. |
| 09:56.36 | rijakr | b-a-nanas |
| 09:56.44 | rijakr | i have that song in my head now =\ |
| 09:56.51 | liable | davi: ok, good for you, must be lucky :) |
| 09:57.09 | tgwj | guerin what went wrong? |
| 09:57.23 | davi | liable, yes. I have heard of SAN , NAS which use GNU/Linux to its storage. |
| 09:57.46 | davi | so, I am supposing it works. |
| 09:57.51 | rijakr | You heard of the limitless BiG (broadband in gas) crap? |
| 09:58.01 | Guerin | tgwj: a host of things ... upstream sources wouldn't find some dev libs I had and needed, debian sources would configure but fail partway through the build, etc. |
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| 09:58.22 | Guerin | tgwj: i can't program my way out of a paper bag, so i wasn't able to fix anything. |
| 09:58.23 | rijakr | Nethercomm is a key player in that game. They say limitless; then on the docs they say something like 84gb |
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| 09:58.35 | intx_ | can vi hex edit properly? |
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| 09:58.44 | technos | Heh |
| 09:59.01 | technos | The hell was that? A drive by attempt to start an editor flamewar/ |
| 09:59.06 | davi | liable, I running over RAID1 right now. |
| 09:59.15 | liable | davi: cool |
| 09:59.15 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:00.12 | rijakr | rofl |
| 10:00.34 | rijakr | Speaking of drive-bys, I went to an amish party over the night before I got here and those mofos are crazy. |
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| 10:00.57 | rijakr | They had their buggies out and and were joking about drive-by pitchforkings. |
| 10:01.28 | ozzloy | night all |
| 10:01.30 | liable | gotta admit, the whole idea intrigues me |
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| 10:01.40 | liable | nite ozzloy |
| 10:01.47 | technos | rijakr: Sounds about right. They'll drive by your house really slow holding a pitchfork and scowling sternly. But how that's any different than how they'd pass my house normally is beyond me. |
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| 10:02.13 | rijakr | You live near amish folk? |
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| 10:02.17 | liable | although, the whole beard without the mo, alarms me |
| 10:02.42 | technos | rijakr: I used to. |
| 10:02.44 | rijakr | Eh these were jerked over amish kids drinking busch light. |
| 10:02.59 | rijakr | I just go for the free beer. :D |
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| 10:03.52 | rijakr | *.ohio = amish. |
| 10:04.13 | technos | rijakr: Yessiree. |
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| 10:04.54 | asdasdasd | alguien habla español |
| 10:04.55 | asdasdasd | ? |
| 10:05.00 | technos | rijakr: I once saw an Amish guy in line to get on the Turnpike. I hope to god they didn't let him on. |
| 10:05.00 | liable | !es |
| 10:05.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 10:05.19 | rijakr | Funny thing is, our ISP is in the middle of amish country... |
| 10:05.31 | rijakr | Yet the business is still good =] |
| 10:05.49 | liable | hah, they have hampsters powering the servers |
| 10:05.53 | rijakr | rofl |
| 10:06.05 | nunez | I started a second X session and closed it, now I cant start apps in the original X session? |
| 10:06.07 | rijakr | Actually, we have electricity in our server rooms. |
| 10:06.12 | rijakr | Surprising! |
| 10:06.13 | bbrazil | IP over hamster? |
| 10:06.17 | technos | rijakr: Eh. Some Amish stick to the rule that they won't use anything they can't repair themselves. It's not like repairing a home computer is difficult. |
| 10:06.20 | rijakr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:06.45 | rijakr | technos: but when i have to talk them through their troubles, it's not easy. |
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| 10:07.01 | technos | rijakr: Hahahaha. |
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| 10:07.13 | rijakr | Their accents are very strong, and half of them are millers, hershbergers, yoder, or yutzy last names. |
| 10:07.36 | liable | rijakr: are they mainly jewish? |
| 10:07.54 | rijakr | So when Levi Miller calls, then 20 min later another Levi Miller calls, and then 10 min later the first Levi Miller calls, it gets rather confusing. |
| 10:08.08 | rijakr | liable: not really sure. |
| 10:08.20 | liable | rijakr: sounds like it |
| 10:08.33 | rijakr | I just know they are hard to understand, emit strange odors, and rip up our county roads with their f'n horses & buggies. |
| 10:08.44 | liable | heh |
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| 10:09.07 | liable | rijakr: you should smell some of the locals around here :( |
| 10:09.11 | bbrazil | liable: Amish is a religion AFAIK |
| 10:09.27 | technos | Amish are mennonites. It's like being Baptist. |
| 10:09.35 | rijakr | Amish != mennonites |
| 10:09.38 | ugenn | what's a good genesis emulator? |
| 10:09.51 | rijakr | mennonites can drive, and use electric stuff. |
| 10:09.51 | liable | yah, but those names definately sound jewish, and the beard without the mo, is also a jewish thing iirc |
| 10:10.05 | technos | rijakr: I should have typed like, heh. |
| 10:10.09 | Guerin | technos: thanks for that. I'm building zen now. |
| 10:10.09 | rijakr | liable, i saw an amish dude with a mullet the other day. |
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| 10:10.17 | liable | hahahhaa |
| 10:10.23 | paulswm | What goes "clipitty-clop, BANG, clipitty-clop"? An Amish drive-by shooting. |
| 10:10.24 | Guerin | man, are you kids STILL going on about amish? |
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| 10:10.37 | liable | well, yes |
| 10:10.48 | rijakr | What else? |
| 10:11.05 | rijakr | I'm at work , but not on the clock til 10. |
| 10:11.12 | tgwj | like... rants on prussian germans ? |
| 10:11.18 | rijakr | Need to bs about something useless. |
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| 10:11.49 | liable | mullets never go out of fashion |
| 10:12.16 | Guerin | can't go out if it never came in |
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| 10:12.25 | rijakr | Trying to relax after lastnight. Did a SpamAssassin update...ever had those moments of shear terror? Well, I experienced it for about 20 minutes at about 10PM last night. After updated SA, the load on all the slaves jumped to 20+. |
| 10:12.54 | robin_sz | heh |
| 10:12.55 | nunez | I started a second X session and closed it, now I cant start apps in the original X session? |
| 10:12.55 | liable | Guerin: what, look at a 80's afl footy game, or cricket, everyone had one |
| 10:12.57 | rijakr | It was spawning children at 10MB * 20 |
| 10:13.09 | robin_sz | but that was just spamd catching up right? |
| 10:13.10 | rijakr | Little devils! |
| 10:13.18 | rijakr | Yessir |
| 10:13.19 | liable | nunez: kill it, and start again |
| 10:13.20 | tgwj | snunuz: how are you trying to start apps ? |
| 10:13.23 | rijakr | Er, ma'am |
| 10:13.31 | robin_sz | rijakr: not really 10mb * 20 ... |
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| 10:13.34 | rijakr | Well, I used 3.0.3 /incoming/ from backports |
| 10:13.37 | nunez | tgwj: Tried with the menu in E and with command line |
| 10:13.37 | robin_sz | most of that 10mb is shared |
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| 10:13.52 | rijakr | Spam has been getting out of hand here lately. |
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| 10:14.06 | rijakr | Thinking about using spamcop *shudders* |
| 10:14.13 | tgwj | nunez : how did ya start the command line? what does echo $DISPLAY show |
| 10:14.21 | paulswm | Mullets will never go out of fashion, (mullet == twat) will always return TRUE |
| 10:14.29 | paulswm | just kidding |
| 10:14.41 | liable | paulswm: no, thats *true* :) |
| 10:14.46 | Guerin | paulswm is kidding about kidding |
| 10:14.50 | paulswm | Heh |
| 10:14.55 | Guerin | he's a tricky one, yessir |
| 10:14.55 | rijakr | damn kids |
| 10:14.57 | nunez | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.25 | tgwj | hmmm. what error are u getting ? nunez |
| 10:15.39 | rijakr | i have a weird error maybe you guys can help |
| 10:15.40 | nunez | tgwj: no error it just doesnt open in X |
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| 10:16.23 | simonrvn | well ok, seems deadline works nice here too |
| 10:16.29 | tgwj | nunez: oh: what about forgetting it and hitting ctrl-alt-backsp to restart X |
| 10:16.48 | simonrvn | it doesn't pause everything when doing heavy disk i/o |
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| 10:16.51 | ServerCrash | i am looking for a gui tool to access mysql, pgsql, oracle, firebird etc |
| 10:16.52 | rijakr | ypserv keeps killing the daemon/syslog file with ypserv[20238]: refused connect from slaveX to procedure ypproc_match |
| 10:16.57 | tgwj | he hit ctrl-alt-achsp |
| 10:17.05 | rijakr | I've googled, posted, researched etc...cannot figure out why it is doing that. |
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| 10:17.47 | simonrvn | rijakr: BTS? sounds like some strange bug. still using NIS, eh? heh |
| 10:17.50 | rijakr | In a matter of 3 days, it will fill /var partition and it's becoming rather annoying. |
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| 10:17.59 | simonrvn | ick |
| 10:17.59 | rijakr | actually, we're not anymore. |
| 10:18.07 | simonrvn | 1bts |
| 10:18.07 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 10:18.07 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 10:18.16 | theD3viL | Where in XFree86.conf set no acceleration for mouse?? |
| 10:18.19 | rijakr | the slave machines should not be trying to connect to our mgmt-server... |
| 10:18.23 | simonrvn | ok. so why is it doing yp queries? |
| 10:18.26 | rijakr | mgmt connects to slaves. |
| 10:18.36 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 10:18.40 | rijakr | well, i never got a chance to take a slave down and set debugs on it. |
| 10:18.59 | simonrvn | i'd suggest it *grin*. asap anyway |
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| 10:19.06 | rijakr | either way, this has happened before. I'm thinking when we did a security update, it may have "switched" something back on. |
| 10:19.16 | simonrvn | possible |
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| 10:19.32 | rijakr | because we don't even use ypserv/bind for production |
| 10:19.47 | rijakr | I could simply kill it on the slaves, but don't want to just yet. |
| 10:19.53 | simonrvn | dpkg remembering a "yes, move my old conf to dpkg-old" kinda thing |
| 10:19.59 | rijakr | yep =P |
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| 10:20.08 | rijakr | But, the way the system is set-up here, that would not happen. |
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| 10:20.52 | rijakr | well, SHOULD not happen |
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| 10:21.40 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 10:22.07 | rijakr | i hate not having enough time in the day to get things done... when a problem arises i can't fix right away, i make a quick patch [usually script] to fix it until i can resolve the issue fully. pisses me off. |
| 10:22.14 | rijakr | need a job? |
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| 10:22.34 | rijakr | Why the hell did a big yellow smiley face just pop up after your name? |
| 10:22.43 | simonrvn | probably too far from where i'm at =) |
| 10:22.45 | liable | rijakr: xchat |
| 10:22.54 | rijakr | < gaim |
| 10:22.54 | liable | rijakr: :) |
| 10:22.57 | rijakr | wtf |
| 10:23.03 | rijakr | That is creepy |
| 10:23.09 | rijakr | It's staring at me. NOOOO. |
| 10:23.13 | liable | rijakr: get a decent cliant :) |
| 10:23.16 | rijakr | =P I need a smoke. =| |
| 10:23.26 | rijakr | ./irssi |
| 10:23.28 | nn | i'm naked! |
| 10:23.33 | nn | ok.. not really |
| 10:23.36 | liable | oh, ok |
| 10:23.37 | rijakr | liar. |
| 10:23.42 | nn | i am tired tho :( |
| 10:24.01 | liable | thats similar |
| 10:24.07 | liable | ??? |
| 10:24.10 | rijakr | lolcopter |
| 10:24.10 | nn | walked 11 miles out of desire to get buffalo meat and donuts! |
| 10:24.18 | Guerin | whee, zen causes my box to hang! |
| 10:24.35 | liable | nn: interesting combo |
| 10:24.43 | nn | liable: beef is just so... nasty |
| 10:24.53 | liable | nn: no car?, bicycle |
| 10:24.58 | Guerin | farm-grown beef is great |
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| 10:25.06 | liable | nn: no, beef is *good* |
| 10:25.06 | Guerin | you know what i mean - home-killed |
| 10:25.08 | nn | liable: that was part of it :) walking to fetch the car |
| 10:25.12 | rijakr | farm-grown |
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| 10:25.25 | liable | isnt it all grown on a farm?\ |
| 10:25.26 | Guerin | it's the horrible watered bland-tasting shit that's nasty |
| 10:25.27 | rijakr | Yeah, where they put shit in the cow's feed to "help" it get beefy. |
| 10:25.29 | xxenon | morning |
| 10:25.30 | rijakr | No pun intended. |
| 10:25.33 | Guerin | define farm |
| 10:25.35 | xxenon | can I prevent dhclient to update the system DNS ? (resolv.conf) |
| 10:25.48 | simonrvn | pharm... |
| 10:25.52 | Guerin | wild beef is something else altogether, though |
| 10:25.54 | liable | farm/station/ranch |
| 10:25.55 | nn | wtf is raping my harddrive |
| 10:25.57 | simonrvn | xxenon: yes |
| 10:26.00 | rijakr | Street PHARMacist? |
| 10:26.12 | nn | ahh a find process.. interesting |
| 10:26.21 | liable | no cows live exclusively in a feedlot |
| 10:26.23 | rijakr | nice it sir. |
| 10:26.31 | rijakr | nice it NOW |
| 10:26.36 | nn | rijakr: Ahh it's not an issue, was just curious about the clatter :) |
| 10:26.42 | xst | I have a strange problem: If I execute some job as a user there are no problems. But if I make cron execute the same job as the same user, I get "permission denied" errors. What can cause this? |
| 10:26.50 | rijakr | You ever burnt up bearings in a harddrive? |
| 10:26.53 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.55 | nn | rijakr: Nope |
| 10:26.57 | Guerin | xst: hos did you set up the cron? |
| 10:26.57 | rijakr | While you're working? |
| 10:27.04 | rijakr | Oh man, that blows. |
| 10:27.14 | rijakr | I'm never buying seagate again. |
| 10:27.20 | nn | I love my WD's |
| 10:27.21 | rijakr | I've burnt 2 up. |
| 10:27.22 | Guerin | xst: crontab -e should work just as if the user had run it from a shell |
| 10:27.26 | rijakr | Westerns are decent. |
| 10:27.33 | rijakr | I like maxtor =) |
| 10:27.36 | nn | the newer maxtor's i've bought haven't burnt me yet either |
| 10:27.48 | Guerin | all major HDD brands seem about equal to me nowadays |
| 10:27.49 | nn | but i've had some maxtor's (particularly 20-80gb) burn me in the past |
| 10:27.51 | rijakr | Got a couple 10K RPMs upstairs. |
| 10:27.59 | Guerin | i've had good shit ones, and shit good ones. |
| 10:28.07 | uruboro | nn how old are the maxtors you're using? |
| 10:28.12 | nn | uruboro: They were new |
| 10:28.22 | nn | these are about a year old now |
| 10:28.25 | nn | all 12 of them |
| 10:28.26 | nn | lol |
| 10:28.29 | xst | Guerin: Something like "crontab -u <theuser> <somefile>" |
| 10:28.31 | Guerin | !lol |
| 10:28.31 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 10:28.32 | nn | haven't had anything die in the raid yet |
| 10:28.33 | amaldo | But all HD drives eventually: use RAID1! |
| 10:28.34 | rijakr | Damn I'm about to scrap Gentoo on this laptop. |
| 10:28.40 | liable | luck of the draw I think, dont get one made on a friday arvo :) |
| 10:28.48 | rijakr | Throw back The woody. |
| 10:28.52 | rijakr | I miss my woody. |
| 10:28.52 | liable | or monday morning |
| 10:28.53 | uruboro | oh ok i hope mine lasts too :) |
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| 10:29.18 | nn | amaldo: yea, i've got 12 maxtor 250gb drives raided |
| 10:29.30 | uruboro | fabparma non usare xchat quando sei loggato come root |
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| 10:29.30 | rijakr | nn: what for? |
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| 10:29.33 | amaldo | nn: now we're talking |
| 10:29.33 | nn | since i got them for about 120$/ea due to bein gon sale and having mailins |
| 10:29.41 | nn | rijakr: Storing map data |
| 10:29.46 | rijakr | for what? |
| 10:29.59 | nn | rijakr: stalking people mostly |
| 10:30.03 | rijakr | how come? |
| 10:30.19 | nn | rijakr: no, actually it's for a project i was working on and kinda lost interest in |
| 10:30.24 | rijakr | You ever played with OpenMosix? |
| 10:30.34 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.36 | rijakr | I'm working on a side project involving that and dvd ripping. |
| 10:30.43 | rijakr | legally ripping dvd's that is. |
| 10:30.48 | rijakr | and conversion |
| 10:30.48 | liable | rijakr: stalking? |
| 10:30.59 | rijakr | no, openmosix =P |
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| 10:31.16 | rijakr | damn you sarcastic bastards. it's too early. |
| 10:31.35 | liable | hah |
| 10:31.38 | nn | maps w/ elevation, resources (oil, gas, water, etc), roads, road names, rail ways, IR sat. image overlays, etc |
| 10:31.50 | rijakr | I saw 10K rpm 400GB hds for 265 bucks somewhere. |
| 10:31.52 | nn | all compiled from freely downloadable sources |
| 10:31.53 | rijakr | I can't remember where |
| 10:31.57 | nn | rijakr: Damn that's not bad |
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| 10:32.08 | rijakr | i know i'll have to figure out where it was. it was about 3 weeks ago. |
| 10:32.14 | toresbe | rijakr: SCSI or SATA? |
| 10:32.39 | rijakr | let me see if i have it in my history still |
| 10:32.47 | rijakr | go go gadget firefox |
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| 10:33.17 | toresbe | heh |
| 10:33.32 | nn | it's that time again.... |
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| 10:33.41 | nn | rijakr: care to /msg it when you find it, i gotta get a little sleep :) |
| 10:33.49 | uruboro | nn a free map db is an interesting project anyway. could be going on wikipedia style. could become a wikipedia child project if they haven't something like that already |
| 10:33.54 | blahh | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesnt seem to be creating XFree86-4 config files |
| 10:33.54 | liable | whats that? sunday? |
| 10:34.05 | blahh | what command do i need to run to get that configuration? |
| 10:34.18 | liable | blahh: have you habd edited it? |
| 10:34.22 | liable | habd |
| 10:34.27 | liable | ffs hand |
| 10:34.27 | nn | uruboro: I doubt they'd have an interest in over 1238gb of data :P |
| 10:34.28 | paulswm | HEH |
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| 10:34.49 | blahh | liable: I delted it cause fglrx stuff it up |
| 10:35.10 | nn | uruboro: there's census data to be eventually integrated, tons of grid-plane data, elevation data, IR overlays, resource overlays, etc |
| 10:35.10 | liable | !bite paulswm |
| 10:35.15 | nn | it's a big mess right now :) |
| 10:35.18 | liable | paulswm: :) |
| 10:35.25 | paulswm | !fruitsmite liable |
| 10:35.33 | paulswm | liable: :D |
| 10:35.34 | nn | ton of raw related, but differently scaled or otherwise hard to combine data |
| 10:35.42 | nn | but i really need sleep, date in a few hours :) |
| 10:35.43 | nn | ciao |
| 10:35.44 | liable | blahh: 'touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' |
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| 10:35.53 | uruboro | hehe ok nn ciao |
| 10:36.07 | blahh | would that make a config file there? |
| 10:36.12 | liable | !xmd5sum |
| 10:36.22 | nn | uruboro: catch me sometime tho and i'll give you URLs of my sources, if you'd like ;) |
| 10:36.24 | blahh | liable: it was there before but i deleted it |
| 10:36.27 | liable | fuck whats the factoid for that? |
| 10:36.28 | paulswm | Nooo, I don't believe that someone here actually has an upcoming real date |
| 10:36.30 | nn | it's a few weeks of wget and untar time |
| 10:36.41 | rijakr | well i thought it was on newegg |
| 10:36.51 | liable | blahh: just do that, then theres another thing to do, |
| 10:37.07 | uruboro | nn i'm daunted by the complexity of the task ;) |
| 10:37.16 | rijakr | i don't think it was sata |
| 10:37.24 | liable | !x md5sum |
| 10:37.24 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 10:37.30 | blahh | liable: wat else is there to do? cause i am in windows atm gonna reboot and do it |
| 10:37.32 | liable | blahh: ^^ |
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| 10:37.47 | rijakr | Are we allowed to idle here? |
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| 10:37.56 | rijakr | !rules |
| 10:37.56 | dpkg | from memory, rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 10:37.59 | paulswm | liable: Good one, I couldn't remember it either |
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| 10:38.10 | IronRoses | ello fellers |
| 10:38.28 | liable | paulswm: :) love listkeys |
| 10:38.29 | rijakr | We're very international. |
| 10:38.35 | rijakr | Cute |
| 10:38.39 | paulswm | rijakr: I stay joined all the time, if that's what you mean, turn off away messaging though |
| 10:38.50 | rijakr | I don't think gaim has that junk. |
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| 10:39.16 | IronRoses | << "uses amsn" |
| 10:39.16 | xxenon | simonrvn - how ? |
| 10:39.27 | rijakr | Why'd you quote that? |
| 10:39.27 | liable | blahh: just do the second after the touch command |
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| 10:39.47 | paulswm | I hate to miss all the smart questions and intelligent answers while I'm away. |
| 10:39.49 | IronRoses | sorry, I'm coding at the moment in a txt editor |
| 10:39.54 | rijakr | rofl |
| 10:39.56 | IronRoses | in C++ |
| 10:40.05 | rijakr | cout is cute |
| 10:40.16 | IronRoses | are(lmao) any compiler gui's |
| 10:40.21 | IronRoses | lol |
| 10:40.22 | rijakr | mm need a smoke |
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| 10:40.34 | rijakr | afk, tornado |
| 10:40.50 | IronRoses | cout<<"amsn rocks"; |
| 10:40.55 | IronRoses | works nicely |
| 10:41.35 | Mage_ | except that it take 4% cpu |
| 10:41.43 | Mage_ | where gaim takes only 1% |
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| 10:42.30 | liable | wtf is asmn? an irc slient |
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| 10:42.37 | liable | right |
| 10:42.45 | setog3 | this night somebody say on this chan g4u is good for deploying linux and windows , |
| 10:42.50 | setog3 | and g4l ? |
| 10:43.02 | Mage_ | liable: a msn client |
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| 10:44.21 | liable | Mage_: ewwww |
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| 10:44.42 | IronRoses | where can I find free C++ buuilder/compiler's? |
| 10:44.46 | liable | hehe, just the secutary will do :) |
| 10:44.54 | liable | damn |
| 10:44.55 | bbrazil | IronRoses: apt-get install build-essential |
| 10:44.56 | Mage_ | IronRoses: apt-get install g++ |
| 10:45.02 | IronRoses | all i keep seeing is intel this and intel that is it's doing me titties in |
| 10:45.05 | IronRoses | thanks |
| 10:45.41 | bbrazil | IronRoses: if you want a gui, there's a big list on linuxmafia.com/kb somewhere |
| 10:46.31 | liable | IronRoses: you using windows or what? |
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| 10:46.57 | paulswm | My coding gui is vim/gvim |
| 10:47.42 | IronRoses | nix |
| 10:48.05 | IronRoses | i was using visuakl studio(bought of coarse) cough in winslows |
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| 10:48.29 | IronRoses | I was so haoppy when they sent me a bill for $900 |
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| 10:48.50 | Putu_Pluto | hey, me podeis decir el nombre de musica para bajarme?? |
| 10:48.52 | blahh | liable: thanks man, working now =) |
| 10:49.01 | liable | blahh: sweet :) |
| 10:49.12 | paulswm | !es |
| 10:49.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:49.12 | djlinux | ./join #debian.pl |
| 10:49.13 | liable | !fr |
| 10:49.13 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 10:49.21 | blahh | anyone know how i can get fglrx ati driver to work? |
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| 10:49.37 | liable | blahh: what card |
| 10:49.42 | liable | !ati |
| 10:49.42 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 10:49.49 | blahh | liable: 9800xt |
| 10:49.54 | liable | |
| 10:49.56 | dimitri | is there a way when doing chmod -R to only affect directory and not file ? |
| 10:50.08 | IronRoses | nyone who is in to gaming and wants to start coding in directx, don't bother, it take nearly 500lines of codes just to make a blank workspace |
| 10:50.15 | IronRoses | it's horrible |
| 10:50.34 | liable | IronRoses: why are you here? |
| 10:50.52 | IronRoses | what? |
| 10:51.12 | dimitri | well I guess I can't, can I ? |
| 10:51.32 | liable | IronRoses: well, are you just gonna crap on about you coding or wtf are you here for |
| 10:52.35 | paulswm | !irritate IronRoses |
| 10:52.35 | dpkg | IronRoses: hi every1 who uses gnome hello? |
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| 10:53.23 | DaCa | ~/quit |
| 10:53.24 | apt | ACTION has signed off IRC (NULL), or <action> /quit #kde... hmm doesn't work... |
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| 10:53.45 | liable | @test |
| 10:53.46 | ravenbird_ | liable: grrr, what do *you* want? |
| 10:54.12 | schrankwand | Hi, what could be the reason, if i don't hear anything whlie playing sound? |
| 10:54.24 | liable | hehe, no speakers? |
| 10:54.30 | schrankwand | no |
| 10:54.30 | paulswm | Deaf? |
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| 10:54.44 | liable | schrankwand: ok, more details then eh? |
| 10:55.07 | schrankwand | when i run alsaconf i get the message: No supported PnP or PCI card found. |
| 10:55.10 | tazle | er |
| 10:55.21 | mikeX | schrankwand, what kernel? |
| 10:55.29 | schrankwand | 2.6.11.8 |
| 10:55.31 | liable | schrankwand: whats lspci say about it, is it supported? |
| 10:56.15 | schrankwand | sebastian@nb-sebastian:/boot$ lspci | grep audio |
| 10:56.16 | schrankwand | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 10:56.24 | DerSchotte | hi, I'm trying to install from the latest sarge iso and it says "chroot /sbin/grub-install not found" when it tries to install the boot loader, how do I get that to load during the install process ? |
| 10:56.36 | liable | schrankwand: lsmod? |
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| 10:57.26 | schrankwand | lsmod returns nothing what sounds like snd or audio |
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| 10:57.45 | liable | schrankwand: modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 10:58.03 | mikeX | schrankwand, did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 10:58.15 | liable | good point |
| 10:58.29 | DerSchotte | !debian-install |
| 10:58.31 | liable | me thinks, yes, vanilla |
| 10:58.50 | DerSchotte | !debian-installer |
| 10:58.51 | dpkg | somebody said debian-installer was the replacement for the aging "boot-floppies" installation system used in all previous versions of debian. The Debian Installer will be the installer for future versions of Debian, beginning with sarge. It has been designed to be more modular, easier to use, and more extensible than the old installation system. see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or ask me about d-i |
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| 10:58.57 | schrankwand | the module wasn't found |
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| 10:59.23 | schrankwand | and yes the kernel is compiled by myself |
| 10:59.25 | liable | schrankwand: well back too make menuconfig then eh? |
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| 10:59.56 | liable | schrankwand: works with a debian kernel? |
| 11:00.00 | CharcoDildoh | msg /dpkg guidelines |
| 11:00.02 | liable | image |
| 11:00.13 | liable | CharcoDildoh: / |
| 11:00.24 | liable | :) |
| 11:00.26 | dimitri | is there a way when doing chmod -R to only affect directory and not file ? |
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| 11:00.36 | madroach | How can I create a big file without overwriting its contents with zeroes like in dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=1M count=1M?? |
| 11:00.39 | mikeX | schrankwand, you probably missed out on something. Are you sure you compiled the right modules etc for your sound card? |
| 11:00.47 | liable | dimitri: maybe not -r? |
| 11:01.03 | schrankwand | here the sound related configuration of my kernel |
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| 11:01.08 | schrankwand | # |
| 11:01.09 | schrankwand | # Sound |
| 11:01.09 | schrankwand | # |
| 11:01.09 | schrankwand | CONFIG_SOUND=y |
| 11:01.09 | schrankwand | # |
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| 11:01.23 | dimitri | liable: no that will not be recursive |
| 11:01.32 | liable | dimitri: point |
| 11:01.36 | doggie | madroach, cat file /dev/null > file? |
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| 11:01.38 | liable | thats the point |
| 11:01.44 | schrankwand | # |
| 11:01.46 | dimitri | liable: no its not |
| 11:01.46 | schrankwand | # Generic devices |
| 11:01.47 | mikeX | schrankwand, if you want to paste |
| 11:01.48 | schrankwand | # |
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| 11:01.50 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_DUMMY is not set |
| 11:01.52 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_VIRMIDI is not set |
| 11:01.53 | mikeX | > 3 go to #flood |
| 11:01.54 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_MTPAV is not set |
| 11:01.55 | paulswm | schrankwand: /topic |
| 11:01.55 | liable | schrankwand: /topic |
| 11:01.57 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_SERIAL_U16550 is not set |
| 11:01.58 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_MPU401 is not set |
| 11:01.59 | doggie | might work (my shell-fu isnt the greatest) |
| 11:02.00 | schrankwand | # |
| 11:02.02 | paulswm | schrankwand: STOP IT NOW |
| 11:02.02 | schrankwand | # PCI devices |
| 11:02.03 | madroach | doggie: Without overwriting its content with zeroes. |
| 11:02.03 | cplx | schrankwand: topic |
| 11:02.04 | mikeX | schrankwand, |
| 11:02.04 | liable | schrankwand: STOPIT |
| 11:02.04 | schrankwand | # |
| 11:02.06 | schrankwand | CONFIG_SND_AC97_CODEC=y |
| 11:02.08 | amaldo | ouch |
| 11:02.09 | cplx | !fix schrankwand |
| 11:02.11 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_ALI5451 is not set |
| 11:02.12 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_ATIIXP is not set |
| 11:02.16 | cplx | *sigh* |
| 11:02.17 | paulswm | schrankwand: STOP |
| 11:02.18 | theD3viL | Where in XFree86.conf set no acceleration for mouse?? |
| 11:02.20 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_ATIIXP_MODEM is not set |
| 11:02.22 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_AU8810 is not set |
| 11:02.23 | liable | ffs |
| 11:02.24 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_AU8820 is not set |
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| 11:02.26 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_AU8830 is not set |
| 11:02.28 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_AZT3328 is not set |
| 11:02.30 | mikeX | schrankwand, !! |
| 11:02.30 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_BT87X is not set |
| 11:02.32 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_CS46XX is not set |
| 11:02.34 | cplx | schrankwand: idiot. |
| 11:02.34 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_CS4281 is not set |
| 11:02.36 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_EMU10K1 is not set |
| 11:02.39 | liable | !ops schrankwand is a wanker |
| 11:02.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: schrankwand is a wanker |
| 11:02.41 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_EMU10K1X is not set |
| 11:02.42 | dimitri | liable: being recursive is to go in each directory found and affect whats found in there, what I want is to do this but I only want to affect directories and not files |
| 11:02.42 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_CA0106 is not set |
| 11:02.44 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_KORG1212 is not set |
| 11:02.46 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_MIXART is not set |
| 11:02.48 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_NM256 is not set |
| 11:02.52 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_RME32 is not set |
| 11:02.54 | FireBox | Are you retarded? |
| 11:02.54 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_RME96 is not set |
| 11:02.55 | dimitri | schrankwand: stop it |
| 11:02.56 | cplx | *sigh* |
| 11:02.56 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_RME9652 is not set |
| 11:02.58 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_HDSP is not set |
| 11:03.00 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_TRIDENT is not set |
| 11:03.02 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI is not set |
| 11:03.04 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_ALS4000 is not set |
| 11:03.06 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_CMIPCI is not set |
| 11:03.08 | cplx | .. |
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| 11:03.10 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_ENS1370 is not set |
| 11:03.11 | doggie | afaik "cat file /dev/null > file" should read the file first then write zeros ... not sure how to stop it though |
| 11:03.12 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_ENS1371 is not set |
| 11:03.14 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_ES1938 is not set |
| 11:03.16 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_ES1968 is not set |
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| 11:03.18 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_MAESTRO3 is not set |
| 11:03.20 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_FM801 is not set |
| 11:03.21 | Shay | sigh |
| 11:03.22 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_ICE1712 is not set |
| 11:03.24 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_ICE1724 is not set |
| 11:03.26 | schrankwand | CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0=y |
| 11:03.27 | drag_sid | this is hilarious |
| 11:03.28 | schrankwand | CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0M=y |
| 11:03.30 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_SONICVIBES is not set |
| 11:03.30 | drag_sid | not |
| 11:03.30 | cplx | some idiots these days lol |
| 11:03.31 | amaldo | WTF? |
| 11:03.32 | FireBox | I ignored him. |
| 11:03.32 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_VIA82XX is not set |
| 11:03.33 | dimitri | can't someone do something there ? |
| 11:03.34 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_VIA82XX_MODEM is not set |
| 11:03.36 | schrankwand | # CONFIG_SND_VX222 is not set |
| 11:03.40 | Shay | yeah, me too |
| 11:03.40 | cplx | don't help him. |
| 11:03.40 | pngwn | drag_sid, not it isn't |
| 11:03.40 | schrankwand | hehe |
| 11:03.41 | eXistenZ | how much space am I supposed to allocate for desktop usage debian? |
| 11:03.42 | schrankwand | what should i stop? |
| 11:03.44 | schrankwand | i can't stop anything |
| 11:03.45 | paulswm | schrankwand: If you think anyone will help you now after that display of idiocy, you can just go fuck yourself |
| 11:03.45 | FireBox | Just: /ignore schrankwand |
| 11:03.46 | schrankwand | sorry |
| 11:03.51 | DerSchotte | I need help on sarge install, every went fine in 1st stage until it came to bootloader installantion |
| 11:03.55 | cplx | schrankwand: bl :) |
| 11:03.57 | mikeX | eXistenZ, nice movie |
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| 11:04.01 | doggie | or you could use dd to create a padding file then "cat file padding > file" |
| 11:04.04 | dimitri | schrankwand: /quit |
| 11:04.11 | cplx | indeed. |
| 11:04.14 | drag_sid | pngwn: see 2 posts down from my first one. :) |
| 11:04.18 | mikeX | schrankwand, look at the Topic |
| 11:04.20 | schrankwand | i wasn't able to stop it, sorry |
| 11:04.28 | pngwn | ;) |
| 11:04.31 | cplx | schrankwand why do it in the first place? |
| 11:04.33 | cplx | .. |
| 11:04.37 | FireBox | Which is better for a desktop, Ubuntu or Sarge? |
| 11:04.47 | mikeX | FireBox, whichever you like |
| 11:04.50 | paulswm | !better |
| 11:04.50 | dpkg | it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 11:05.10 | FireBox | Damn, I asked a stupid question. |
| 11:05.19 | paulswm | !beat FireBox |
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| 11:05.20 | Guerin | FireBox: that NEVER happens in here. |
| 11:05.21 | paulswm | :D |
| 11:05.25 | FireBox | :( lmao |
| 11:05.27 | mikeX | lol |
| 11:05.30 | FireBox | Which is better performance wise? |
| 11:05.36 | drag_sid | same |
| 11:05.46 | FireBox | OK... which has a larger repository? |
| 11:06.05 | FireBox | Or rather, which has never versions of programs in repository? |
| 11:06.11 | FireBox | s/never/newer |
| 11:06.12 | mikeX | FireBox, there shouldn't be any real big differences performance wise, though I hear X.org is kinda slow |
| 11:06.13 | Guerin | FireBox: sarge has ~11 times as many supported packages as ubuntu |
| 11:06.37 | mikeX | FireBox, ubuntu has newer (and more unstable) packages |
| 11:06.39 | Guerin | FireBox: ubuntu has newer desktop stuff and newer kernel, = more hardware support. |
| 11:06.51 | drag_sid | Ubuntu = Debian Sid plus newer version of Gnome and X.org instead of XFree86 |
| 11:06.54 | drag_sid | that's about it. |
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| 11:07.11 | FireBox | So perhaps Ubuntu would be better in the way of newer versions? |
| 11:07.13 | paulswm | FireBox: IMO ubuntu is better if you want a quick desktop without messing around, sarge is much better if you are willing to spend the time setting up |
| 11:07.16 | Guerin | but honestly, this is not the place to ask about such things: you'll get predictable responses here and in #ubuntu |
| 11:07.22 | drag_sid | Ubuntu is special because they have a nice default setup, were in debian you'd have to manually call apt-get to get it configured |
| 11:07.35 | Kerr | if i install irssi-snapshot will my .irssi dir be preserved/used or should i back it up ? |
| 11:07.37 | FireBox | paulswm: Oh I'm willing to muck around as much as I have to. In fact, I'd prefer to (I'm bored here!!) |
| 11:07.39 | liable | new shmew whats wrong with sarge |
| 11:07.54 | paulswm | FireBox: Then I'd go with sarge |
| 11:08.00 | drag_sid | Debian sarge is probably more stable |
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| 11:08.13 | FireBox | paulswm: I have the Sarge netinst disk but there's a problem. My net is capped to 64kbps right now :'( |
| 11:08.33 | liable | FireBox: get cd1, then update |
| 11:08.36 | beardy | FireBox: Do you have to pay for the time you are connected? |
| 11:08.44 | mikeX | FireBox, or get a DVD : ) |
| 11:08.54 | liable | Guerin: wrong cheese eh? |
| 11:08.54 | paulswm | FireBox: Then start it and when the package downloading begins, to to bed/watch a movie/boff the GF :) |
| 11:08.58 | drag_sid | there are people who burn and mail debian cds... |
| 11:09.03 | Guerin | liable: yeah. |
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| 11:09.23 | madroach | Again: How can I just allocate memory for a BIG file on my filesystem, without writing 20 GB of zeroes to my hard disk? |
| 11:09.25 | FireBox | paulswm: I don't plan to go to sleep for at least another 7 hours :P |
| 11:09.29 | Guerin | liable: i wouldn't even eat dominos back home :( |
| 11:09.31 | FireBox | paulswm: And I live on my PC. |
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| 11:09.46 | liable | Guerin: niether would I |
| 11:09.53 | Guerin | liable: and it's even worse, because I paid at least twice what I'd have paid back home for this awful pizza. |
| 11:09.59 | liable | haha |
| 11:10.01 | paulswm | FireBox: Me too, puters all day at work, then puters at home |
| 11:10.13 | FireBox | paulswm: Ah, the good life :) |
| 11:10.15 | pngwn | the box tastes better than a domino's pizza |
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| 11:10.35 | liable | so true |
| 11:11.04 | drag_sid | FireBox: Linux is multitasking, as soon as you get the initial install out of the way, you can screw around on the terminal as the rest of it downloads and gets isntalled. :) |
| 11:11.13 | liable | FireBox: go to the local net cafe and get cd1 |
| 11:11.26 | paulswm | In .us, the DiGiorno's frozen deep dish supreme pizzas si teh win, IMO |
| 11:11.37 | FireBox | liable: Mate, the local net cafe has 2mbit internet. And 80 people are using it so it'd cost me a shitload |
| 11:11.38 | Guerin | frozen = bad pizza |
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| 11:11.43 | paulswm | No |
| 11:11.49 | FireBox | liable: Where do I get CD1? |
| 11:11.51 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 11:11.53 | bob2 | schrankwand: do not ever do that again |
| 11:11.54 | Guerin | a pizza is not a unit; it's many different ingredients combines with love and care |
| 11:11.57 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 11:11.57 | paulswm | It's actually very good |
| 11:12.03 | FireBox | paulswm: At the moment I'm talking from Windows (I know, I'm about to cop a lot of criticism :P) - some of my favourite games don't work in Cedega. But since I seem to spend all my time mucking around with Linux, I may as well just get rid of Windows altogether. Now to decide which distro to try out next :) |
| 11:12.06 | paulswm | bob2: thanks |
| 11:12.36 | FireBox | paulswm: I run Debian Sarge on my server. Several people recommended it (in this channel), and I do not regret it :) |
| 11:12.36 | liable | FireBox: duh, debian.org :) |
| 11:12.38 | mikeX | schrankwand, you can do it in flood though if you need help : P |
| 11:12.41 | paulswm | FireBox: I always keep an XP partition although much downsized :) |
| 11:12.46 | FireBox | liable: Sorry, I'm lazy |
| 11:13.05 | doggie | madroach: why? |
| 11:13.06 | FireBox | FireBox: I guess. |
| 11:13.10 | liable | !lazysmite FireBox |
| 11:13.15 | liable | bah |
| 11:13.27 | FireBox | Excuse me? |
| 11:13.40 | mikeX | madroach, like making an file with holes? |
| 11:13.47 | paulswm | !lazy |
| 11:13.47 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
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| 11:14.03 | FireBox | Sorry Mr. dpkg, sir lol |
| 11:14.10 | liable | must make a lazysmite |
| 11:14.22 | madroach | mikeX: Maybe. I need a bit file to create a filesystem in it. But waiting for 20 GB of zeroes to be written is boring. |
| 11:14.23 | paulswm | !fruitsmite FireBox |
| 11:14.25 | doggie | how can i get a list of ! commands from dpkg? |
| 11:14.33 | Guerin | you can't |
| 11:14.34 | FireBox | That was uncalled for. |
| 11:14.35 | paulswm | Not the same, but hey |
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| 11:14.43 | paulswm | FireBox: :D |
| 11:14.44 | Guerin | and you don't want them all, because there are over 25,000 of them |
| 11:14.45 | mikeX | madroach, well I think bochs had a utility |
| 11:14.47 | FireBox | paulswm: :) |
| 11:14.52 | mikeX | madroach, for that |
| 11:14.56 | liable | doggie: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 11:15.00 | FireBox | paulswm: Why does Sarge have 14 CD's? |
| 11:15.10 | liable | FireBox: just get #1 |
| 11:15.13 | Guerin | FireBox: because that's how many cds it takes yto fit all the software in. |
| 11:15.13 | mikeX | FireBox, cause it has a shitload of packages |
| 11:15.14 | bob2 | FireBox: because it has 14 * 700MB worth of software |
| 11:15.19 | paulswm | FireBox: because it has a *lot* of packages |
| 11:15.22 | FireBox | Holy shit |
| 11:15.26 | Guerin | no shit |
| 11:15.32 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 11:15.32 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 11:15.32 | doggie | liable, thanks |
| 11:15.34 | liable | FireBox: cause debian r0xors with a shitload of apps |
| 11:15.36 | FireBox | Well I'll get CD1 when I'm uncapped. |
| 11:15.37 | bob2 | FireBox: for each arch, so 14 * 700 * 11 for the totial |
| 11:15.48 | bob2 | you're better off getting a netinst cd |
| 11:15.52 | asuffield | stop storing it on CDs, you wimps |
| 11:16.00 | asuffield | it's been DVD time for years |
| 11:16.01 | bob2 | and get it directly off the intarweb |
| 11:16.05 | Bazzi | hehe, DVD9 for the masses |
| 11:16.16 | bob2 | asuffield: it's still more than one dvd |
| 11:16.21 | beardy | !d-i FireBox |
| 11:16.21 | dpkg | FireBox, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:16.26 | mikeX | it's 3 |
| 11:16.26 | asuffield | bob2: I have a stack of dual-layer DVDs right here |
| 11:16.31 | mikeX | and the 3rd is 20 MB , lol |
| 11:16.32 | paulswm | FireBox: in sarge, looks like 15,706 packages (apt-cache search ' '|wc -l) |
| 11:16.33 | liable | haha, love the overfiend cmd |
| 11:16.34 | FireBox | beardy: I already have it :P |
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| 11:16.56 | Bazzi | how can you afford a stack of dual layer dvds |
| 11:16.57 | Nigel | mikeX: forget a kernel package then... |
| 11:17.04 | bob2 | asuffield: they're way more expensive than wo single layer dvds here |
| 11:17.09 | beardy | FireBox: Then why are you on about cd1 and the like.. |
| 11:17.20 | FireBox | beardy: Because someone said to get it |
| 11:17.23 | asuffield | bob2: and here, but not excessively so, and I don't exactly use a lot of them |
| 11:17.29 | liable | beardy: cause of me |
| 11:17.29 | asuffield | Bazzi: get a job, layabout |
| 11:17.32 | FireBox | beardy: I don't wanna download packages at the moment, I'm capped |
| 11:17.45 | mikeX | Nigel, is that all there is in the 3rd? I haven't checked it out yet |
| 11:17.46 | Bazzi | a dvd9 is still 10 times as expensive as a dvd5 :( |
| 11:17.53 | bob2 | asuffield: how much data does a dual-layer dvd-r fit? |
| 11:17.56 | Nigel | mikeX: i dunno... |
| 11:18.02 | Guerin | stupid amounts |
| 11:18.05 | mikeX | Nigel, let's see then |
| 11:18.11 | doggie | !lart himself |
| 11:18.13 | technos | 4.7 and 9 and change. |
| 11:18.14 | liable | FireBox: I can go to the local net cafe and download a cd for like $6 |
| 11:18.15 | asuffield | bob2: the label says 8.5Gb. I've never actually tried to test the limits |
| 11:18.19 | Guerin | 4.7x2 or x4 |
| 11:18.26 | asuffield | bob2: oh, actually these are dvd+r |
| 11:18.28 | Phated | asuffield: Do it, now! :) |
| 11:18.33 | Bazzi | its 8.500.000.000 |
| 11:18.33 | Guerin | oh, no, x4 is the double-sided crazy ones |
| 11:18.38 | bob2 | asuffield: is that a whole sarge arch? |
| 11:18.38 | theD3viL | I set xset m 1 but i want my mouse goes slower then now... how can i do that? |
| 11:18.47 | bob2 | it's not a whole sarge+woody+sid one, at least |
| 11:18.48 | FireBox | liable: If I go to the net cafe at 3am, I should be able to get it for $3 |
| 11:18.49 | Bazzi | so ~7.9GB |
| 11:18.56 | asuffield | bob2: should fit. haven't tried yet |
| 11:18.56 | mikeX | Nigel, join flood if you wanna see |
| 11:18.57 | liable | theD3viL: fast is good, you get used to it |
| 11:18.58 | FireBox | No one will be using the net there at 3AM |
| 11:19.09 | asuffield | Phated: it takes like 45 minutes, I have other things to do |
| 11:19.22 | Phated | asuffield: Oh, very well. |
| 11:19.29 | bob2 | hm |
| 11:19.33 | theD3viL | liable, hm.. :) but you dont know command ' |
| 11:19.44 | bob2 | my optical mouse works better on crockery than on the back of an ibook |
| 11:19.50 | liable | theD3viL: for? |
| 11:19.51 | asuffield | get an mx1000 |
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| 11:19.54 | asuffield | that works on my arse |
| 11:20.00 | asuffield | it'll work on anything |
| 11:20.02 | bob2 | I don't want to know |
| 11:20.46 | asuffield | you can even do the old trick of holding it in mid air and stroking it, when you have no surface. I haven't done that since I last had a male rodent |
| 11:21.03 | paulswm | I wonder how anyone finds out that a mouse will work on their ass. |
| 11:21.06 | liable | theD3viL: oh, no I dont, sorry |
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| 11:21.18 | Guerin | paulswm: trial and error |
| 11:21.26 | paulswm | Or, rather, thinks to try. |
| 11:21.36 | bob2 | emphasis on the error, methinks. |
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| 11:21.43 | Phated | paulswm: Remember, people thought Edison was a crackpot! :) |
| 11:21.46 | paulswm | Must be a gerbil thing, heh |
| 11:21.55 | liable | asuffield: hmmm, your grossing me out :) |
| 11:22.00 | streuner | Does someone use 'shutdown -h now' as alarm or warning in gkrellm? |
| 11:22.03 | Guerin | !your |
| 11:22.03 | dpkg | it has been said that your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 11:22.30 | bob2 | streuner: no, they'd use cron |
| 11:22.36 | liable | Guerin: whatever, english nazi :) |
| 11:23.05 | Guerin | i vote we institute a 5-minute +q on people who misuse your, kernal, and other such things that anyone should have mastered by age 10. |
| 11:23.14 | yaccobb | is there some way to look at web pages as they look in IE ? I hate it (as every normal webdesigner working with css) but I need it... |
| 11:23.17 | bob2 | debain |
| 11:23.18 | streuner | bob2: whatever, why do i _need_ cron for that, gkrellm has that feature already implented? |
| 11:23.21 | liable | hah, fuck you |
| 11:23.21 | bob2 | ubunut |
| 11:23.32 | Guerin | bob2: yup. |
| 11:23.32 | bob2 | yaccobb: install IE |
| 11:23.37 | bob2 | yaccobb: (in wine) |
| 11:23.38 | Phated | Guerin: I second it. |
| 11:23.48 | Guerin | SID |
| 11:23.49 | technos | Guerin: And leet speek is what, a week banned from every channel but #ubuntu? |
| 11:23.50 | bob2 | streuner: because cron will always be running and gkrellm won't. |
| 11:23.54 | liable | Guerin: what about dinnah, or bunneh? |
| 11:24.02 | Guerin | technos: every channel but #gentoo, i thought |
| 11:24.03 | doggie | Guerin, like using a capital I when referring to oneself? |
| 11:24.06 | bob2 | Guerin: someone the other day was claiming experimental's codename was scud. |
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| 11:24.12 | Phated | Heh. |
| 11:24.21 | yaccobb | bob2: ok, I just asked is there isn't other way |
| 11:24.26 | Guerin | bob2: goddamn, that's a really stupid one. Everyone thinks it's real. |
| 11:24.32 | Guerin | liable: no. |
| 11:24.36 | bob2 | yaccobb: how else could there be? |
| 11:24.37 | madroach | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.52 | Guerin | doggie: No. |
| 11:25.00 | bob2 | yaccobb: implementing an entire web browser just to replicate bugs in IE is not something you're likely to find random people doing |
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| 11:25.10 | paulswm | !prize bob2 |
| 11:25.12 | yaccobb | bob2: that's what i ask;) If there isn't |
| 11:25.28 | Kerr | i added some usntable mirrors so i can get irssi-snapshot. Do i need to set sarge as default release somehow so i can -t unstable when trying for snapshot, or is that done by default? |
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| 11:25.34 | doggie | Guerin, sorry I couldn't resist it |
| 11:25.35 | bob2 | it took hundreds of person-years to get gecko |
| 11:25.47 | Guerin | yaccobb: just put a fucking big link on each site saying 'if this page looks shit, click here' and give them the plaintext version. |
| 11:25.47 | bob2 | Kerr: not done by default |
| 11:25.48 | paulswm | yaccobb: email Microsoft and ask when IE will be available for Linux :P |
| 11:25.55 | beardy | yaccobb: run the ugly thing in wine if you must? |
| 11:26.28 | yaccobb | hehe, do you thin I WANT to run it ?! 80% of stupid population still use it :( |
| 11:26.36 | paulswm | Actually, iirc, IE *used* to be available for Linux. |
| 11:26.38 | arantxa | wo you mamlamalamalamalamajjjjjaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 11:26.45 | beardy | yaccobb: ignore them |
| 11:26.45 | bob2 | does IE really render that differently to gecko? |
| 11:26.47 | liable | wtf? |
| 11:26.55 | Guerin | Kerr: be really careful. You'll end up upgrading to sid wholesale if you run upgrade or dist-upgrade with that source in. |
| 11:27.01 | Nigel | bob2: a little... |
| 11:27.10 | Guerin | bob2: hell yeah |
| 11:27.12 | arantxa | commet t'appelles |
| 11:27.15 | yaccobb | beardy: I'd like to, but I am paid for making it work in all browsers, mainly IE. sad, isn't it ? |
| 11:27.19 | paulswm | !fr |
| 11:27.19 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:27.32 | bob2 | hm, wow |
| 11:27.35 | arantxa | salut |
| 11:27.39 | drag_sid | IE will work in Wine... |
| 11:27.45 | beardy | yaccobb: Yeah. But try it in wine. |
| 11:27.45 | liable | yay |
| 11:27.46 | technos | Damnit. I hate when I log in with caps on. |
| 11:27.47 | arantxa | ui |
| 11:27.48 | Kerr | apt-get -default-release testing gives me the help ouput. |
| 11:27.49 | bob2 | drag_sid: Free wine or codeweavers wine? |
| 11:27.54 | arantxa | ui |
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| 11:27.59 | Kerr | is that right, or is there somethign else i should be doing? |
| 11:28.01 | Nigel | so what is experimentials codename? |
| 11:28.09 | drag_sid | try free wine, if that doesn't work try codeweavers.. My guess. |
| 11:28.15 | arantxa | yesyezxyesyeysyyeysyeeysyeyeysy |
| 11:28.16 | yaccobb | drag_sid, beardy : yes, i will. What choice do I have ? :-p |
| 11:28.18 | drag_sid | sometimes you have to struggle to get it to work though |
| 11:28.20 | arantxa | oi hfufhgf |
| 11:28.23 | streuner | omg, why would someone want IE - that's crap! |
| 11:28.24 | liable | arantxa: go away |
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| 11:28.36 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@82.198.111.236] by asuffield |
| 11:28.36 | technos | Nigel: They're adopting the Slackware naming scheme. Overfiend always liked it. Experimental will be Debian 2012. |
| 11:28.37 | Guerin | Kerr: you SHOULD set up pinning. Now that you have a sid source, it'll draw from sid automatically. |
| 11:28.38 | *** mode/#debian [-o asuffield] by ChanServ |
| 11:28.41 | bob2 | hah |
| 11:28.47 | bob2 | I was going to give a warning |
| 11:28.49 | Guerin | Kerr: to STOP it doing so, pin sid below sarge. |
| 11:28.52 | asuffield | where's the point? |
| 11:28.54 | liable | asuffield: ++ |
| 11:28.57 | bob2 | Nigel: there isn't one |
| 11:29.01 | Kerr | streuner: to use assanine websites created just for use with ie. |
| 11:29.09 | yaccobb | streuner: well, they don't KNOW how crap is it because they don'T know about other browsers. That's M$ policy. |
| 11:29.10 | doggie | paulswm, when it was still Spyglass Mosaic? |
| 11:29.18 | beardy | yaccobb: Refusal :) But maybe your boss don't like that. Convince your workmates to join you :) |
| 11:29.24 | Nigel | hmmm btw, so my understanding, all of the sudden: woody=oldstable, sarge=stable, sid=testing, something=experimental |
| 11:29.37 | liable | Nigel: roughly yes |
| 11:29.42 | Nigel | errr with experimentalnow=unstable |
| 11:29.43 | Guerin | no |
| 11:29.51 | Guerin | sid is always unstable, never testing |
| 11:29.54 | portahex | Nigel, it will be sarge=stable, etch=testing, sid=unstable |
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| 11:30.04 | portahex | woody=obsolete |
| 11:30.04 | Nigel | oh ok... |
| 11:30.05 | streuner | Kerr, yaccobb: there are hardly some websites which you can't use with mozilla or friends, and those aren't worse enough to use them then... |
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| 11:30.11 | bob2 | Nigel: no, woody=stable, sarge=testing, sid=unstable. sid will never change, sarge will become stable and etch will be testing |
| 11:30.12 | portahex | then again, that part applies already |
| 11:30.14 | paulswm | doggie: later than that, I thought they had a Linux version but then discontinued, but maybe I'm confusing it with MacOS |
| 11:30.15 | jethro | hello #debian |
| 11:30.19 | Guerin | oldstable=woody, stable=sarge, testing=etch, unstable=sid, experimental=experimental |
| 11:30.24 | paulswm | !wb jethro |
| 11:30.25 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! jethro has returned! |
| 11:30.31 | yaccobb | beardy: heh, i am 17 years old, don't have stable job. But I am good enough to know how great it would be without IE... |
| 11:30.38 | IronRoses | where can I find the latest debina sarge installer, if somone could give me a direct link, that'd be great |
| 11:30.39 | liable | hi jethro |
| 11:30.41 | Guerin | note that mine isn't correct until after sarge releases |
| 11:30.46 | portahex | !d-i IronRoses |
| 11:30.47 | dpkg | IronRoses, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:30.55 | Kerr | the new unstable should be galled gentoo, just to fuck with people's minds. |
| 11:31.03 | tarzeau | nice, next week we got sarge! http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/05/msg00020.html |
| 11:31.05 | Kerr | :D |
| 11:31.07 | Guerin | THERE IS NO NEW UNSTABLE |
| 11:31.08 | Phated | There won't be a new unstable. |
| 11:31.10 | Guerin | !sid faq |
| 11:31.10 | dpkg | i guess sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 11:31.11 | Phated | Eedjit. |
| 11:31.14 | gall | Kerr: calley |
| 11:31.15 | Guerin | everyone, go and read that fucking faq |
| 11:31.21 | liable | anal |
| 11:31.23 | Guerin | don't come back until you've fucking read it |
| 11:31.26 | bob2 | liable: ? |
| 11:31.27 | portahex | !info gentoo |
| 11:31.29 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.46-1 (sid), Packaged size: 741 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
| 11:31.33 | streuner | Guerin: everyone? :-) |
| 11:31.33 | liable | nm |
| 11:31.33 | jim | Guerin: but it will change mood/mode |
| 11:31.35 | tarzeau | Guerin: maybe there will, when sid is the last artist in toy story 1 + 2 |
| 11:31.37 | Nigel | Kerr: we had just been talking about that... |
| 11:31.46 | mikeX | http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/2033216 |
| 11:31.50 | Guerin | tarzeau: heh. |
| 11:31.55 | doggie | paulswm, there was a MacOS version, up to 5.2, but ti used a different rendering engine to Windows IIRC |
| 11:31.59 | yaccobb | streuner: I do page with w3c standard, SEO friendly... simply nice web. workind same in mozzila and opera. Then I look to it in IE and I can do it again. |
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| 11:32.26 | jim | development will become more experimental, more things will break, etc etc... |
| 11:32.39 | streuner | yaccobb: that sucks |
| 11:32.42 | Guerin | jim: will it? |
| 11:32.43 | paulswm | doggie: Well, I'm old and my memory is non-ECC, so I guess I am mistaken :) |
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| 11:33.06 | jim | because once sarge is released, sid won't have obligation to stay synced to sarge |
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| 11:33.23 | Guerin | jim: it'll still be sid. |
| 11:33.24 | gearry | I really screwed up, and I hope someone here can help me |
| 11:33.35 | jim | yes, of course that won't chanbe |
| 11:33.36 | gearry | I am running unstable |
| 11:33.37 | jim | ge |
| 11:33.42 | jethro | jim: did sid ever have to stay in sync to anything? |
| 11:33.44 | gearry | I updated my kernel |
| 11:33.47 | streuner | gearry_ good |
| 11:33.48 | Phated | Sid has never had an obligation to anything. |
| 11:33.49 | tarzeau | jethro: no didn't |
| 11:33.55 | jethro | that's what I thought too |
| 11:34.00 | technos | gearry: Try a flashlight. They supposedly crawl towards the light to free themselves. |
| 11:34.01 | tarzeau | sid can destroy all toys, any time |
| 11:34.02 | yaccobb | streuner: yep. that's why i do it for IE first and then do little changes to make it work in NORMAL browsers. You can't imagine how MUCH I HATE IE. |
| 11:34.06 | paulswm | Well there's two screw ups to start with |
| 11:34.20 | tarzeau | and sid's got a helper called experimental |
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| 11:34.26 | bob2 | jethro: close to releases, people don't upload new things to sid |
| 11:34.36 | gearry | for some reason lilo always fails unless I run it manually |
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| 11:34.37 | bob2 | jethro: since, if they do, it's a pain in the arse to fix the version in sarge |
| 11:34.39 | tarzeau | bob2: why not? |
| 11:34.46 | jethro | bob2: is it an "have to" or just a common policy they adopted? |
| 11:34.51 | tarzeau | bob2: they do, it just doesn't move to testing anymore |
| 11:34.59 | paulswm | gearry: what do you mean, "run it manually"? |
| 11:35.00 | gearry | I had not gotten around to running it, and my machine died |
| 11:35.02 | jim | nothing is a have-to... everyone is a volunteer |
| 11:35.08 | bob2 | jethro: I don't think the archive software mandates it |
| 11:35.11 | Kerr | ah, i was under the impression that sid would be renamed or something. |
| 11:35.11 | paulswm | gearry: OK, I get it |
| 11:35.15 | liable | gearry: dont run sid then |
| 11:35.17 | bob2 | jim: can you do an upload to sarge right now? no. |
| 11:35.19 | yaccobb | 6th generation of world's most using browser is unable to properly show basic css. bah, fuck that *yaccobb tries to run IE in wine* |
| 11:35.20 | jethro | bob2: ok, thanks for the answer |
| 11:35.24 | bob2 | jethro: np |
| 11:35.28 | gearry | normally I have no problems with sid |
| 11:35.39 | gearry | this was not a noob problem |
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| 11:35.50 | gearry | I knew what I needed to do |
| 11:35.51 | bob2 | jethro: if you want more details, search the debian-devel-announce list archive for "bits from the release managers" |
| 11:35.54 | jim | gearry: running unstable... don't you read the -source code- of everything you are about to install to ensure your system won't break? |
| 11:35.54 | gearry | I was just a moron |
| 11:36.01 | Kerr | yaccobb: firefox doesn't display css right, either. |
| 11:36.10 | paulswm | News flash, yet again, sid is called unstable for a fucking reason, if you want stuff to *always* work, don't use sid |
| 11:36.15 | gearry | oh it wasn't unstable that broke my system |
| 11:36.22 | gearry | it was me |
| 11:36.23 | liable | of course |
| 11:36.38 | gearry | I broke it |
| 11:36.45 | liable | well fix it |
| 11:36.46 | mysurfguide | Hey guys I got some issues with my USB stick, well more correctly getting it to mount and getting write access to it. The problem is that I can mount it via "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usb0" but only at certain times, see it doesnt find the device "/dev/sda1" for some reason, and some times it does find it! However, when I do get it mounted I get a "Access Denied" error whenever I try to send or write something to the USB |
| 11:36.49 | jethro | bob2: think I ll just do that :) |
| 11:36.50 | IronRoses | awww, he broke it... |
| 11:36.53 | paulswm | gearry: Then boot off a rescue or live cd and fix it |
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| 11:37.00 | jim | if you know how you broke it, why not just fix it? |
| 11:37.01 | liable | !usb mass storage |
| 11:37.07 | tarzeau | mysurfguide: how do you mount it? |
| 11:37.10 | liable | bleh |
| 11:37.16 | tarzeau | mysurfguide: you know vfat is kinda crappy, no unix file permissions: |
| 11:37.21 | gearry | well, that is another problem all together |
| 11:37.22 | mysurfguide | "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 |
| 11:37.23 | tarzeau | mysurfguide: www.linuks.mine.nu/mount/ |
| 11:37.24 | beardy | multi_io: Haven't you got help yet, you were here with that question yesterday too.. |
| 11:37.27 | liable | !usb mass-storage |
| 11:37.38 | yaccobb | Kerr: Yes, that's true, I have best expirience with opera although opera for linux sucks a bit. But there aren'T SUCH errors. I will probably write book called "1000+1 errors in IE". It wouldn't be so hard :-P |
| 11:37.40 | mysurfguide | I heard there is a fsusb ? |
| 11:37.41 | gearry | I had a rescue disk, but it was old |
| 11:37.43 | liable | haha, I suck |
| 11:37.43 | mysurfguide | or usbfs? |
| 11:37.45 | Guerin | liable: use listkeys and listvals in /msg, willya? |
| 11:37.50 | Guerin | no |
| 11:37.54 | gearry | does not seem to recognize initrd kernels |
| 11:37.57 | liable | Guerin: yes, too lazy :) |
| 11:38.00 | Guerin | usbfs is nothing to do with storage, forget you ever heard of it |
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| 11:38.16 | mysurfguide | yes but as a FS type Guerin, since vfat is crappy |
| 11:38.24 | yaccobb | Kerr: you are webdesinger or something like that ? |
| 11:38.24 | gearry | I have an install cd, but only 3.0r2 |
| 11:38.28 | gearry | same problem |
| 11:38.32 | Guerin | mysurfguide: if you don't need to use it with windows, etc. use ext2 |
| 11:38.51 | liable | Guerin: hoping someone would correct me, but alas no |
| 11:38.51 | mysurfguide | Well thats the problem, I do need to use it on windows machines as well. |
| 11:39.04 | Guerin | mysurfguide: you have to use vfat, then. Sucks to be you. |
| 11:39.05 | gearry | the install images in unstable don't seem to have the rescue functionality built in |
| 11:39.09 | Coke | Everytime I start firefox it wants me to choose a profile other than my default. It seems it thinks another firefox process is already running, but it's not. What wretched file must I slay to get rid of this problem? |
| 11:39.20 | tarzeau | Coke: firefox sucks |
| 11:39.21 | gearry | and I am having some problems booting those disks |
| 11:39.21 | mysurfguide | Anybody else that can actually help in here? |
| 11:39.23 | gearry | not sure why |
| 11:39.27 | tarzeau | !anybody |
| 11:39.27 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 11:39.38 | tarzeau | mysurfguide: didn't you read my url? |
| 11:39.44 | doleyb | Coke: find ~/.mozilla -name lock |
| 11:39.46 | Coke | tarzeau: yes. I have never figured out why they bloated it. |
| 11:39.47 | Guerin | Coke: delete .mozilla/firefox/default-cosomething/lock |
| 11:39.48 | mysurfguide | I am right now tarzeau, ty |
| 11:39.54 | liable | Coke: fucking funny, took me back to the 1600's |
| 11:39.54 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:39.56 | gearry | ok, I can understand the "fix it yourself thing" |
| 11:40.15 | Coke | doleyb: that was it, thank's. |
| 11:40.21 | gearry | but just because I know how I broke it does not mean that I know how to get out of the mess that I am in |
| 11:40.22 | beardy | mysurfguide: What exactly is the problem, that you can't write to it, or not mount it as read+write, what? |
| 11:40.23 | mysurfguide | where /dev/hda5 would be /dev/sda1 correct? |
| 11:40.23 | jim | mysurfguide: if you don't think you're being helped, you could post to debian-user@lists.debian.org to that effect, with relevent logs |
| 11:40.33 | Coke | Guerin: yep, that did it. |
| 11:40.39 | technos | mysurfguide: If you need to use it on Windows machines, you have to use fat. You can't format them with NTFS, and usbfs is not for USB devices. The answer was already given |
| 11:41.08 | mysurfguide | both beardy, I cannot get write access to it even after I tried adding the settings to fstab where includes the umask, uid, gid |
| 11:41.09 | technos | usbfs is like /dev.. |
| 11:41.15 | mysurfguide | ah |
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| 11:41.18 | Guerin | mysurfguide: if you need to preserve unix perms on the things in there, tar it up and untar it onto the host machine. |
| 11:41.23 | toresbe | how can I attach a PTY to a serial port? |
| 11:41.25 | gearry | specifically, I guess I need to know how to rescue a system that was using an initrd image |
| 11:41.29 | jim | or you could also post there with your question, after making sure the question you're asking is not a faq |
| 11:41.40 | jim | and also satisfy the other list rules |
| 11:41.45 | mysurfguide | Well it is empty so no files to worry about, I just need to get it with write access. |
| 11:41.45 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 11:41.47 | Guerin | !vfatrw |
| 11:41.47 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS. |
| 11:41.52 | POVaddct | toresbe: slsnif |
| 11:41.53 | Guerin | it's not fucking rocket science |
| 11:41.56 | mysurfguide | That ive done, guerin |
| 11:42.27 | liable | gearry: boot the install cd and chroot or copy or whatever |
| 11:42.55 | gearry | doh, chroot |
| 11:43.01 | gearry | had not thought of that |
| 11:43.09 | Kerr | is this correct for pinning testing repositories above unstable? |
| 11:43.11 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.11 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.12 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.17 | liable | idiot |
| 11:43.20 | Kerr | or should i go with 1000 |
| 11:43.41 | liable | damn, thought that was gonna flood |
| 11:43.47 | Coke | liable: festering files of faecis must be thwarted lest they may corrupt our very hearts and souls |
| 11:43.48 | portahex | Kerr, easier to add APT::Default-Release "testing"; to apt.conf |
| 11:44.15 | liable | Coke: hahaha, I dont get it? |
| 11:44.33 | liable | !confuse me |
| 11:44.34 | dpkg | Yes, where is your mushroom yesterday, liable? lederhosen of the people's republic of swaziland with extra cream |
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| 11:44.56 | Kerr | ah |
| 11:45.06 | Guerin | Kerr: pin unstable down to 500 or so, pin testing below 1000 |
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| 11:45.19 | Guerin | but yeah, hex's will work too |
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| 11:45.33 | liable | ooh |
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| 11:45.44 | SaKSuKa1369 | Sex Sex free www.lise3.tk |
| 11:45.45 | Nigel | have fun guys |
| 11:45.49 | jim | join/clonebot flood |
| 11:45.50 | beardy | fuck.. |
| 11:45.56 | liable | !ops SaKSuKa1369 porn |
| 11:45.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SaKSuKa1369 porn |
| 11:46.04 | js_ | i think hes typing it manually |
| 11:46.18 | liable | fuckit, one |
| 11:46.25 | liable | gone even |
| 11:46.33 | Nigel | i always think Guerin is an op... |
| 11:46.44 | Kerr | /etc/apt/apt.conf doesn't appear to exist. |
| 11:46.50 | jim | !ops clone Yuzuk-3-@85.100.22.52 |
| 11:46.50 | Guerin | no way |
| 11:46.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: clone Yuzuk-3-@85.100.22.52 |
| 11:47.00 | Guerin | if I was an op I would abuse my powers terribly |
| 11:47.10 | Nigel | anyway, good night... |
| 11:47.22 | Nigel | Guerin: more fun! |
| 11:47.23 | Coke | Guerin: with great power comes great responsibility |
| 11:47.36 | jim | it's only pretty good power |
| 11:47.37 | Kerr | Guerin: with great power comes heat vision. |
| 11:47.40 | Guerin | Coke: hell yeah! Lemme get my rifle! |
| 11:48.24 | Nigel | Guerin: as long as you abuse your ops on the spammers, we wouldn't care... |
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| 11:48.40 | jim | !ops clone Kelebek@85.100.64.100 |
| 11:48.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: clone Kelebek@85.100.64.100 |
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| 11:48.42 | liable | if Guerin was an op, you'd be banned for misspelling :) |
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| 11:48.49 | Coke | pestering spammers isn't abuse of op powers, it's _use_ of op powers. |
| 11:48.57 | tarzeau | liable: heh |
| 11:48.58 | Guerin | Nigel: i'd end up abusing them on stupid people. |
| 11:49.05 | Guerin | instead of just cursing them out |
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| 11:49.12 | Guerin | or more probably, in addition to |
| 11:49.13 | Kerr | should /etc/apt/apt.conf already exist? |
| 11:49.24 | Guerin | Kerr: not necessarily. |
| 11:49.26 | Phated | Guerin: In conjunction with, likely. |
| 11:49.30 | Coke | Guerin: good. I can sense the anger in you. use it, there's more to the dark side than you are lead to beleive. |
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| 11:49.54 | Phated | *** stupidperson has been kicked from #debian by Guerin (fuck you, you fucking piece of brain-impaired fuckingness.) |
| 11:50.02 | Kerr | lol |
| 11:50.04 | liable | hahha |
| 11:50.09 | sec_dude | hi i am new to network securit /i am playing with ntop now i am getting some unknow ip addresss and thier ports how do i check them /is there an way out |
| 11:50.11 | Nigel | lol |
| 11:50.19 | setog3 | hmm , I don't remember , how can I delete all the iptable rules ? |
| 11:50.26 | asuffield | I see that Phated has mastered the use of the word 'fuck' |
| 11:50.27 | jethro | setog3: man iptables |
| 11:50.32 | liable | Phated: exactly as I imagine it :) |
| 11:50.37 | jim | you fucking fuckingness... |
| 11:50.38 | jim | hmmm |
| 11:50.38 | Guerin | now all she has to do is master the Art... |
| 11:50.39 | yaccobb | I installed mysql-server-4.1 and php4-mysql and still having 'undefined mysql_connect()' error. |
| 11:50.43 | setog3 | thx |
| 11:50.45 | Kerr | now my apt.conf reads APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 11:50.57 | Phated | asuffield: It's unavoidable, being here. |
| 11:50.59 | Kerr | will it be safe to leave the sarge repositories in sources.list ? |
| 11:51.04 | Coke | she has found the words, now the words must find a meaning |
| 11:51.30 | Phated | FFS. Snicker at it and go about your business already, protracted analysis of such statements are best left to -ot. |
| 11:51.31 | Guerin | Kerr: absolutely. |
| 11:51.35 | Kerr | err, unstsble repositories even |
| 11:51.37 | asuffield | Phated: well, at least you caught up now. in the area where I live, kids generally pick it up by the time they're 8 or 9 |
| 11:51.37 | liable | thats the great thing about fuck, it has endless meanings |
| 11:51.41 | jim | Kerr: do you want to stay with sarge? |
| 11:51.51 | Kerr | apt before coffee leads to typing the wrong words |
| 11:52.06 | Guerin | Kerr: if you have that line in apt.conf or preferences, yes. |
| 11:52.06 | Kerr | goodie :) |
| 11:52.06 | Phated | asuffield: I think I did, to. I just didn't use it as much. |
| 11:52.23 | Kerr | i'll go replace all references to sarge with testing.. |
| 11:52.29 | asuffield | see, you're not doing it properly if you don't use it much |
| 11:52.44 | jim | then you'd move to testing when testing changes... that could be unexpected... |
| 11:52.58 | Guerin | practice makes perfect |
| 11:53.15 | Phated | Do stop fucking going on about it. |
| 11:53.18 | jim | you'll never get to perfect... practice makes improvement |
| 11:53.21 | Phated | :) |
| 11:53.38 | Phated | jim: You've never seen Guerin cussing someone out, then. |
| 11:53.47 | setog3 | arf , |
| 11:53.48 | Guerin | naw, I still have a ways to go |
| 11:54.00 | setog3 | iptable -F , and iptable -X .. now I remember :) thx |
| 11:54.03 | jim | Phated: what, so you think he's a perfect cusseroutter? |
| 11:54.22 | Phated | No, just very, very good at it. |
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| 11:54.35 | jim | you've made my point :) |
| 11:55.03 | Coke | points are being made as we speak |
| 11:55.17 | Phated | Ew, gross, at least do it off-channel. |
| 11:55.31 | jim | or get a room and do it there |
| 11:55.41 | Phated | Yes, that's off-channel, too. |
| 11:55.48 | jim | Too bad you can't buy a voodoo globe so that you could make the earth spin real fast and freak everybody out. |
| 11:56.00 | Kerr | thanks muchly, portahex Guerin, jim :) |
| 11:56.01 | Phated | You probably can. |
| 11:56.08 | Kerr | , ^ |
| 11:56.30 | jim | Kerr: just keep in mind what -your- preferences are |
| 11:56.30 | DerSchotte | Got past the install problem. There is no package call install anymore, so I used "udpkg -i grub-installer....udeb" in the console, time for a failed installation report :( |
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| 11:57.08 | jim | DerSchotte: just install grub |
| 11:57.15 | jim | then -learn- grub |
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| 11:57.43 | DerSchotte | jim, this was happening during 1st stage install |
| 11:57.45 | fusion | what would I put for these settings in snmp? its on a router: Read Community: Set Community: System Name: System Location: System Contact: Trap Manager IP: |
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| 11:58.10 | jethro | fusion: you asked the wrong place |
| 11:58.27 | jim | DerSchotte: you probably have to get all the pieces of grub copied to a place in the low 1024 cyls of the drive |
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| 11:58.39 | fusion | jethro where would I ask? #snmp doesnt exist |
| 11:58.44 | jim | which is why /boot is sometimes its own partition |
| 11:59.02 | jethro | fusion: I don't know, but #debian isn't the place afaict |
| 11:59.02 | fusion | i figured this was the closest thing cause its a debian router |
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| 11:59.45 | DerSchotte | jim: no, the latest iso image (from this morning) fails says "chroot /target /sbin/grub-install hd0 failed, target does not exist" |
| 11:59.49 | jethro | fusion: maybe ask on some netwworking related channel, or better yet, read about snmp and figure out yourself what you should put for these settings |
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| 12:00.08 | jethro | s/ww/w/ |
| 12:00.10 | jim | hmm... no drivers for your hd? |
| 12:00.21 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 12:00.23 | jlj_ | is there any way to get a non-english keyboard layout, but to keep program messages in english (ie. apt-get, pine..) |
| 12:00.27 | jethro | !de |
| 12:00.27 | dpkg | well, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 12:00.28 | jim | the latest cause of that is you have sata drives... that true? |
| 12:00.32 | Guerin | omfg, i cant dl teh drivers for my hd bcoz my hd dont wrok |
| 12:00.46 | Guerin | linnux is teh suck!2 |
| 12:00.50 | meppl | jlj, yes |
| 12:00.55 | liable | !anal |
| 12:00.56 | dpkg | anal is probably a type of sex tat involves the penetration of the bum with a long object, usually a penis, or like, when, you say your, and Guerin says "ffs its you're, not your, you fucking idiot" |
| 12:01.01 | liable | :) |
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| 12:01.19 | meppl | dpkg, its not a german-only-question ;) |
| 12:01.36 | DerSchotte | jim: yes, everything went fine until the bootloader installation, I had to force the install with "udpkg -i" |
| 12:01.38 | Kerr | Irssi 0.8.10-rc5 (20050514) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 12:01.43 | Kerr | cool, worked |
| 12:01.49 | Guerin | there is a qualitative difference between being anally retentive and being CORRECT |
| 12:02.02 | jlj_ | meppl: could you tell me how? i tries setting the locale (with dpkg-reconfigure locales) but then both keyboard layout+messages changed |
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| 12:02.08 | rr | hi |
| 12:02.10 | jim | but they're not mutually exclusive |
| 12:02.11 | DerSchotte | jnim: no, I have no sata drives |
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| 12:02.32 | jim | ok, so you're not in need of the latest kernel |
| 12:02.34 | jethro | jlj_: keyboard layout is not related to your locales |
| 12:02.39 | beardy | jlj_: You need to have only ceirtain LC_FOO set to the other locale. |
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| 12:03.07 | rr | what's the problem with this error msg? (EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap |
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| 12:03.28 | DerSchotte | It looks like d-i has a problem with grub-installer |
| 12:03.33 | bernouli | how can you activate ip_masquerading? |
| 12:03.46 | DerSchotte | Well, with tonight's image at least |
| 12:03.52 | meppl | jlj, i wrote you in your query |
| 12:03.58 | Guerin | DerSchotte: tell #debian-boot after checking bts |
| 12:04.15 | DerSchotte | jim: bts ? |
| 12:04.16 | Kerr | anyone know how i can set irssi to understand ~ as a prefix like .@% ? |
| 12:04.16 | rijakr | &killall -9 tcpdump |
| 12:04.18 | jim | bernouli: first make sure your interfaces are configured properly, and are up... |
| 12:04.27 | jethro | bernouli: do you have a custom kernel or a debian kernel image? |
| 12:04.35 | bernouli | jim, everything is fine |
| 12:04.37 | jim | bernouli, then apt-get install ipmasq |
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| 12:05.02 | jim | it will set all the necessary iptables rules for you |
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| 12:05.14 | mysurfguide | Anybody else in here experienced with the "Special device /dev/sda1 does not exist" error for USB Sticks? |
| 12:05.16 | bernouli | ok, got it workking |
| 12:05.29 | tarzeau | mysurfguide: some usb sticks are broken and you have to use /dev/sda |
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| 12:05.36 | tarzeau | mysurfguide: filesystem without partitions. |
| 12:05.43 | DerSchotte | Guerin: what is bts ? |
| 12:05.47 | tarzeau | !bts |
| 12:05.47 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 12:05.47 | jethro | !bts |
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| 12:05.56 | mysurfguide | Ty I will try that trazeau |
| 12:05.57 | tarzeau | jethro: you lag ;) |
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| 12:06.02 | DerSchotte | k, thanks :) |
| 12:06.03 | jim | unparttibed volume |
| 12:06.04 | tarzeau | jethro: that's why i get all the bananas , and you not |
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| 12:06.11 | tarzeau | !volume |
| 12:06.11 | dpkg | If you need to set your soundcard's volume, try apt-get install cam |
| 12:06.30 | liable | doesnt anyone know about bts but us? |
| 12:06.30 | jethro | tarzeau: no, you get all the bananas, cause I focus on the crap items |
| 12:06.38 | tarzeau | jethro: hehehe true ;) |
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| 12:07.01 | mysurfguide | tarzeau ,"Special device /dev/sda does not exist" |
| 12:07.10 | liable | sda1 |
| 12:07.11 | mysurfguide | Any clue? |
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| 12:07.16 | jethro | tarzeau: you want to play a few rounds? |
| 12:07.16 | mysurfguide | Tried that liable. |
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| 12:07.24 | liable | sdb? |
| 12:07.25 | tarzeau | jethro: sure! |
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| 12:07.30 | mysurfguide | not yet, lemme try |
| 12:07.34 | maya | hi all, is there anyone who could give me some advice on installing sarge on a 8knxp? thank you |
| 12:07.36 | jethro | any other bub-n-bros addicts want to join ? |
| 12:07.37 | tarzeau | jethro: let me start a server. anyone else? http://bub-n-bros.sf.net #bub-n-bros |
| 12:07.40 | maya | help |
| 12:07.55 | jethro | tarzeau: aight I m waiting for your go |
| 12:07.58 | liable | mysurfguide: dmesg |
| 12:08.07 | mysurfguide | Same there liable. |
| 12:08.08 | tarzeau | jethro: server is started! |
| 12:08.14 | jethro | GO GO GO |
| 12:08.16 | jlj_ | meppl: ah, thank you. |
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| 12:08.26 | Guerin | PRACE YOUR BETS! |
| 12:08.27 | jim | what's bub-n-bros |
| 12:08.33 | tarzeau | jim: best. game. ever. |
| 12:08.38 | tarzeau | jim: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 12:08.51 | mysurfguide | usb 1-1.3: Control timeout on ep0in |
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| 12:08.57 | technos | jim: It's a british euphimism for buggering your siblings. |
| 12:09.06 | liable | eeewwww |
| 12:09.39 | jethro | jeez fucking DISPLAY being not set and bubnbros launching w3m |
| 12:09.39 | liable | nasty |
| 12:09.42 | jim | you bugger your siblings?! |
| 12:09.45 | mysurfguide | Funny thing is that sometimes It does mount, but when it does, although I have followed the permission setting, It still wont let me write to it. And no not even as root, and yes ive tried both umask 002 and 000. |
| 12:09.49 | jim | that -is- nasty! |
| 12:09.50 | Phated | Oy, why wasn't I told that when I played?! |
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| 12:10.00 | jethro | Phated: told what? |
| 12:10.05 | mysurfguide | How come it finds sda1 sometimes and sometimes I wonder? |
| 12:10.14 | Phated | That it was euphemismity. |
| 12:10.14 | mysurfguide | not* |
| 12:10.17 | tarzeau | mysurfguide: usb sucks |
| 12:10.18 | jethro | ah :) |
| 12:10.27 | mysurfguide | That is true tarzeau |
| 12:10.39 | liable | mysurfguide: depends if you unplug it, then plug it in again |
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| 12:10.53 | Phated | And if you remember to unmount it before plugging it in. |
| 12:11.00 | mysurfguide | well I did one mistake if not unmounting it before I plugged it out, but I got that fixed. |
| 12:11.21 | tarzeau | jethro: are you joinging? i've finished 4 levels already |
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| 12:11.58 | beardy | mysurfguide: Then you may have screwed the filesystem on it? |
| 12:12.00 | jethro | tarzeau: I was pebcak'ing |
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| 12:12.12 | mysurfguide | No, it gave me this trouble before I did that as well. |
| 12:12.34 | mysurfguide | If I do fdisk -l /dev/sda1 it doesnt find anything |
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| 12:12.51 | mysurfguide | dmesg tells me there is a timeout for some reason |
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| 12:13.03 | jim | there a sarge pkg for this? |
| 12:13.10 | beardy | mysurfguide: Then how are you going to write to it, if it ain't formatted and partitioned? |
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| 12:13.20 | tarzeau | jim: not really |
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| 12:13.26 | mysurfguide | It is partitioned as fat32 beardy |
| 12:13.29 | tarzeau | jim: a broken one only, just get the source unpack |
| 12:13.39 | tarzeau | run ./BubBros.py and have python2.2-dev (or 2.3) |
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| 12:14.28 | mysurfguide | Problem is that it refuses to find sda1 device for some reason, and it finds it a little every when it feels like it. |
| 12:14.43 | jim | the simulation loop runs in python? |
| 12:14.46 | rijakr | What device is it? |
| 12:14.54 | mysurfguide | sda1 |
| 12:14.59 | rijakr | What is it though? |
| 12:15.03 | mysurfguide | refuses to find all sda, sda1, sdb |
| 12:15.07 | mysurfguide | its for a USB stick |
| 12:15.09 | liable | mysurfguide: dmesg |
| 12:15.10 | jim | mysurfguide: you sure the device is partitioned? |
| 12:15.17 | rijakr | Ok |
| 12:15.27 | rijakr | Tail your syslog/messages then plug it in... |
| 12:15.34 | beardy | mysurfguide: Does your kernel have USB support? |
| 12:15.37 | mysurfguide | it found it pretty clear as a FAT32 earlier |
| 12:15.38 | jethro | WOAAA |
| 12:15.39 | jethro | I M THE FIRST§ |
| 12:15.46 | mysurfguide | 2.6.8 I am sure it does |
| 12:15.56 | rijakr | Is it on in the kernel? |
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| 12:16.08 | liable | mysurfguide: tail dmesg, whats it say when you plug it in? |
| 12:16.08 | bernouli | i have such scene, box a has 2 interfaces eth0:192.168.0.1 ra0:192.168.1.100 which ip it got from a router, now box b has eth0:192.168.0.2, box b can ping eth0 and ra0 from box a, but not the router (192.168.1.1), what should i do? |
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| 12:16.17 | rijakr | It's one thing to support it, but to ACTUALLY support it. |
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| 12:16.29 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 12:17.22 | rijakr | bernoulli, the gateway routing table? |
| 12:17.39 | tarzeau | ribnitz: wanna join a nice game? |
| 12:17.41 | mysurfguide | it doesnt give me an error except that timeout error from ep0in |
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| 12:18.06 | ribnitz | tarzeau: what game? |
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| 12:18.18 | mysurfguide | weird thing is that it is suppose to blink once its connected, and it does it very faintly when I plug it in, but not any longer then that |
| 12:18.24 | bernouli | route add -net 0.0.0.0 netmask 0.0.0.0 gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:18.28 | tarzeau | ribnitz: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net #bub-n-bros |
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| 12:19.07 | liable | mysurfguide: wtf is it |
| 12:19.21 | leikh | everyday i get a mail from mailman telling me that my mailing list has tons of requests waiting for my consideration. it's just one user that is allowed to post to the mailing list. all the other request are not even from members of the list. how can i get rid of all those annoying spam requests? |
| 12:19.26 | mysurfguide | got no idea liable, wish I knew |
| 12:19.32 | ribnitz | tarzeau: not right now, I am thinking about repartitioning the old (company) pc to use lvm. |
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| 12:19.51 | liable | mysurfguide: when you plug it in, whats it say in dmesg |
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| 12:19.56 | mysurfguide | I dont see how it will find a non existent device? is it a contemporary device created? |
| 12:20.00 | ribnitz | liable: set up your malijnglist correctly. |
| 12:20.33 | jim | unless you have rescue media that supports lvm, your / and /boot should not be lvm |
| 12:20.33 | liable | ribnitz: ??? no. I refuse to do that :) |
| 12:20.33 | mysurfguide | this is what it says: usb 1-1.3: control timeout on ep0in |
| 12:20.45 | rijakr | Ok |
| 12:20.46 | ribnitz | jim: I have no boot, and root is ext3, non-lvm. |
| 12:20.54 | rijakr | A can ping B? |
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| 12:21.16 | jetscreamer | hub 1-0:1.0: connect-debounce failed, port 1 disabled |
| 12:21.18 | jim | that's fine too, as long as your rescue media supports ext3 |
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| 12:21.39 | ribnitz | jim: what will become lvm is /home, /usr,/var, /backup, and a few"project specific" mountpoints. |
| 12:21.39 | rijakr | Yo |
| 12:21.39 | mysurfguide | I dont get it, well if anybody who is familair with this error would send me a message it would be nice of yall |
| 12:22.12 | bernouli | rijakr, a can ping b, b can ping both interfaces from a |
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| 12:22.27 | bernouli | b cant ping router |
| 12:22.29 | ribnitz | jim: it does. |
| 12:22.35 | rijakr | uh |
| 12:22.44 | rijakr | it's gateway is fudged then? |
| 12:22.54 | ribnitz | jim: rescue media?- you mean I can end up with a non-bootable system? |
| 12:23.07 | bernouli | in b, which ip should i put as gateway? |
| 12:23.11 | rijakr | wait |
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| 12:23.24 | rijakr | B can ping ra0? |
| 12:23.26 | liable | mysurfguide: modprobe -r usb, then modprobe usb, then plug it in |
| 12:23.27 | jim | by putting your / into lvm, yes |
| 12:23.27 | bernouli | yes |
| 12:23.29 | rijakr | ok |
| 12:23.41 | rijakr | Can A-eth0 and A-ra0 ping router? |
| 12:23.44 | xelon | hi, I installed debian to my hp laptop. And search the internet for how to install intel 2200BG wireless card. And i find this website : ipw2200.sf.net . To install this driver I had to compile new kernel. Than I download kernel-source-2.6.8 and compile it. Now my wireless card is working. But I can't use my tg3 ethernet card. When i run "ifup eth0", it tries to connect to LAN with 2200BG card. I had searched Web again. than i find this document : http://www. |
| 12:23.44 | xelon | redhat.com/mirrors/LDP/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO-2.html#ss2.4 . But i don't know if it works or not. Also i don't know the io ports and interrupts. What can i do??? |
| 12:23.49 | bernouli | yes |
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| 12:24.01 | mysurfguide | aha, FATAL: Module usb not found. |
| 12:24.05 | rijakr | route add default gw 192.168.1.1 That shoudl work then |
| 12:24.07 | bernouli | a can go to internet through ra0, which connected to router |
| 12:24.08 | rijakr | I don't see why it wouldn't. |
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| 12:24.23 | liable | ehci |
| 12:24.23 | Phated | Eh, there isn't even a usb module, is there? |
| 12:24.31 | liable | mysurfguide: ^^ |
| 12:24.33 | mysurfguide | doesnt seem like it phated |
| 12:24.44 | rijakr | Try that bern |
| 12:24.48 | mysurfguide | would I go about adding the mod to the kernel in order to get that? |
| 12:25.00 | Phated | It's NOT a module. :| |
| 12:25.02 | ribnitz | jim: my slash is on a disk of its own, with swap and one other mountpount. all the other mountpounts are on the other disk (I want to convert to lvm). Also would you recommend first software raid and then lvm? |
| 12:25.02 | liable | mysurfguide: echi, or ohci ffs |
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| 12:25.13 | Phated | mysurfguide: load one of the uhci, ehci, or ohci modules. |
| 12:25.19 | ribnitz | jim: the thing is a stone old p2-450mhz pc. |
| 12:25.20 | rijakr | What device is ra0? router? |
| 12:25.21 | Phated | It's, what, hcd_uhci? |
| 12:25.30 | Phated | Something along those lines. |
| 12:25.38 | mysurfguide | how would I do that phated? |
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| 12:25.40 | ribnitz | Phated: Greets to the Free World. :) |
| 12:25.44 | rijakr | Becuse it's .1.100 |
| 12:25.46 | Phated | ribnitz: 'ello. |
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| 12:25.55 | Phated | mysurfguide: modprobe? Duh? |
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| 12:26.10 | xelon | isn't there anybody know how to use 2 ethernet cards? |
| 12:26.11 | codester | liable: the ati site u gave me before to build the driver, i followed the direction but cant go on since when building the package i get 2 errors |
| 12:26.23 | Phated | Ah, pah, I have them built in, no idea what they're called, someone else tell the dude, please. |
| 12:26.25 | bernouli | i |
| 12:26.29 | liable | mysurfguide: fuck, do you read, ehci,ohcio |
| 12:26.32 | ribnitz | I can also some pseudo-harware-raid thing of my contorller (sata-sil).. |
| 12:26.37 | liable | ohci |
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| 12:26.46 | bernouli | rijakr, i did that, but it wont work |
| 12:26.51 | Phated | liable: The module name isn't just ohci, though, is it? |
| 12:27.10 | rijakr | xelon: one or the other |
| 12:27.11 | liable | Phated: erm, yes, I thought so |
| 12:27.19 | xelon | rijakr, what? |
| 12:27.33 | Phated | IIRC, it wasn't, but... hm. |
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| 12:27.46 | mysurfguide | liable, if you got a fucking problem take it with yourselv, this is a fucking debian room and not your sixth heaven, people in here come in here to learn and experience debian as is , and any help is appreciated but just because I aint no brain junkie on linux it doesnt mean im gonna take that crappy ass attitude, I didnt ask you in the first place did I. |
| 12:27.48 | liable | Phated: ohci-hcd, stand corrected again |
| 12:27.59 | Phated | Ah, yes, I knew hcd was somewhere in there. |
| 12:28.03 | Phated | Thanks, liable. |
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| 12:28.23 | liable | mysurfguide: ok, go fuck yourself then asshole |
| 12:28.30 | paulswm | !beer liable |
| 12:28.41 | anabain | has anybody made this before? Was it successful? "linux26 rescue root=/dev/sdaX" |
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| 12:28.48 | rijakr | Is ra0 your router? |
| 12:28.50 | mysurfguide | liable, shut the cake hole and get a life |
| 12:29.16 | xelon | rijakr, do you ask to me? |
| 12:29.16 | liable | *plonk* |
| 12:29.17 | paulswm | mysurfguide: you asked in open channel, this isn't your private conversation room, grow up |
| 12:29.20 | bernouli | rijakr, no |
| 12:29.27 | rijakr | What is ra0 then? |
| 12:29.27 | ribnitz | mysurfguide: calm down please. |
| 12:29.31 | rijakr | xelon, no sorry. |
| 12:29.32 | bernouli | ra0 got ip from router |
| 12:29.43 | jetscreamer | hey troll bashing and nobody called me?? |
| 12:29.44 | bernouli | ra0 is wlan card |
| 12:29.45 | mysurfguide | ribnitz im perfectly fine, just dont take bullshit |
| 12:29.49 | rijakr | Oh |
| 12:29.58 | paulswm | jetscreamer: hehe |
| 12:29.59 | rijakr | Is it up? |
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| 12:30.02 | rijakr | ifup ra0 |
| 12:30.08 | bernouli | yes, i go to internet trough ra0 |
| 12:30.09 | Phated | mysurfguide: People -have- been trying to help you. That attitude doesn't make you particularly endearing to them, either. Modprobe one of uhci-hcd, ohci-hcd, or ehci-hcd, depending on what controller you have. |
| 12:30.11 | rijakr | Ok |
| 12:30.20 | anabain | I would like to know why I get a kernel panic message when typing this: "linux26 rescue root=/dev/sda5" with the sarge CD |
| 12:30.44 | jetscreamer | anabain: because d-i doesn't have a rescue image? |
| 12:30.50 | mysurfguide | Thank you phated, I appreciate that. But is asking a question in a channel a violation towards attitudes? |
| 12:30.50 | xelon | please HELP me |
| 12:31.07 | bernouli | the problem is that somehow the packet from B to internet wont forwarded to router |
| 12:31.11 | jetscreamer | anabain: the instructions say start the installer, go all the way up to the partitioner, shell out & chroot |
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| 12:31.21 | rijakr | lol you guys are too funny |
| 12:31.23 | mysurfguide | If they dont want to help me then simply move on. I didnt come here to start any crap, and if else does, too bad for them but im not going to take any personal fits against my questions. |
| 12:31.25 | ribnitz | Any tips on lvm2, or software raid? -how much cpu load will it add? |
| 12:31.31 | rijakr | Everyone gets all pissy when shit isn't working right. ;P |
| 12:31.39 | rijakr | That's when I go outside take a breath, and then smoke. |
| 12:31.41 | rijakr | =) |
| 12:31.43 | paulswm | mysurfguide: quit whining and grow up, liable was trying to help you |
| 12:31.46 | Phated | mysurfguide: Drop it now. You were told several times what to do. |
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| 12:32.01 | bernouli | can it be, that wlan card wont do any ip_forward? |
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| 12:32.17 | rijakr | What card is it? |
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| 12:32.24 | anabain | jetscreamer, my problem is that I want to mount put the kernel in the root dir of the hdd in order to make grub-install, because I've lost grub |
| 12:32.25 | mysurfguide | paulswm, stick to your own side you are not involved in this. and Phated, yes I will, im not a sinking ship in this channel. |
| 12:32.32 | jetscreamer | mysurfguide: hey btw i just load all 3 and say fuggit |
| 12:32.43 | bernouli | msi |
| 12:32.45 | rijakr | lol jet |
| 12:32.57 | paulswm | mysurfguide: this is an open channel, of course I am involved. |
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| 12:33.11 | mysurfguide | paulswm, yes you are right, so what is your point? |
| 12:33.11 | rijakr | You guys need a good laugh or something, here visit this funny site. Try to control the laughter though. =\ |
| 12:33.12 | xelon | "eth2: unknown hardware address type 24" |
| 12:33.12 | paulswm | !troll mysurfguide |
| 12:33.16 | rijakr | http://microsoft.com/ |
| 12:33.18 | Phated | mysurfguide: And with that, you're on your own as well. Abusing channel regulars when given instructions is not the best way to get help. |
| 12:33.21 | Phated | *plonk* |
| 12:33.27 | jetscreamer | anabain: i told you how to use d-i as a rescue cd (wish they would put the rescue image on it like woody) all i know dude. got a woody cd? |
| 12:33.27 | anabain | jetscreamer, and I wanted to try it without knoppix and chroot |
| 12:33.38 | mysurfguide | children |
| 12:34.02 | liable | mysurfguide: fuck off then |
| 12:34.02 | rijakr | !troll rijakr |
| 12:34.02 | anabain | what's d-i, jetscreamer? |
| 12:34.02 | rijakr | sweet |
| 12:34.03 | jetscreamer | anabain: sarge installer |
| 12:34.04 | mysurfguide | !gosh im a bot |
| 12:34.07 | rijakr | i used to collect those damn things |
| 12:34.07 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 12:34.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 12:34.10 | paulswm | Phated: Yes, *plonk* is the answer, *sigh* some people :) |
| 12:34.16 | Phated | paulswm: Indeed. |
| 12:34.31 | anabain | jetscreamer, I have the first six ISOs of the sarge distro |
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| 12:34.44 | jetscreamer | anabain: that thingy you installed debian with.... try cd#1 |
| 12:34.58 | mysurfguide | Well, nice to see some has developed enough brains in here. Anyhow, ty for the help guys, those who isnt stuck up that is. |
| 12:35.09 | jetscreamer | bye mysurfguide |
| 12:35.12 | jetscreamer | have fun |
| 12:35.13 | anabain | yes, I've been trying with that cd#1, of course |
| 12:35.34 | mysurfguide | I aint going no where yet jet, but I will in a bit :) |
| 12:35.37 | rijakr | In gentoo, can I: emerge debian-woody |
| 12:35.38 | rijakr | ?? |
| 12:35.40 | jetscreamer | anabain: afaik, there is no rescue image on those sarge cd's |
| 12:35.50 | Phated | rijakr: Uhm, #gentoo. |
| 12:35.53 | anabain | oh! |
| 12:35.57 | liable | yah, there is |
| 12:35.58 | xelon | is there any guy who have more than one ethernet card or a laptop? |
| 12:36.10 | paulswm | !qotd94 |
| 12:36.10 | dpkg | from memory, qotd94 is <rich_> One time I asked my grandma why she never smiled and she said that people who find everyrthing funny have a screw loose. <da_> grandma != debian lol |
| 12:36.17 | DerSchotte | xelon: I have 3 eths |
| 12:36.18 | paulswm | crap, sorry |
| 12:36.18 | liable | linux rescue |
| 12:36.27 | jetscreamer | anabain: that's why you start the installer and go all the way up to the partitioner and shellout/chroot |
| 12:36.39 | anabain | ok |
| 12:36.39 | tarzeau | jethro: :) |
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| 12:36.42 | rijakr | Fine. emerge life |
| 12:36.44 | anabain | thanks |
| 12:36.58 | jetscreamer | np |
| 12:37.01 | xelon | DerSchotte, Is there any document how to configure my tg3 and ipw2200 card? |
| 12:37.09 | anabain | By the way, I think I have a woody distro... |
| 12:37.18 | jethro | :) |
| 12:37.21 | anabain | I'll try |
| 12:37.30 | xelon | DerSchotte, because I can't use my tg3. Always it tries to connect with ipw2200!! |
| 12:37.33 | asg | xelon: man 5 interfaces, man 7 wireless |
| 12:37.36 | FlopsyPete | are other people seeing Firefox 1.0.4's control areas (toolbar, location bar, status bar) turning to a solid grey bar? |
| 12:37.36 | bbrazil | rijakr: that should probably be xlife |
| 12:37.46 | jetscreamer | xelon: i believe tg3 isn't in debian kernel sources due to licensing, i dunno but i saw some guy asking yesterday and saw somebody answer |
| 12:37.51 | DerSchotte | xelon: maybe tell it to use eth1 ? |
| 12:37.52 | Phated | FlopsyPete: Was it an upgrade recently? |
| 12:37.54 | bbrazil | FlopsyPete: checked the bts? |
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| 12:38.25 | jethro | !lart tarzeau for stealing my crap items |
| 12:38.28 | Phated | FlopsyPete: Not on 1.0.4-2 Debian package, no problems here. |
| 12:38.29 | xelon | DerSchotte, it can't connect. But with 2.6.8-2.386 I can connect to LAN! . |
| 12:38.29 | tarzeau | :) |
| 12:38.43 | tarzeau | jethro: make lotsa bubbles |
| 12:38.48 | tarzeau | jethro: they'll get into points |
| 12:38.54 | DerSchotte | xelon: no idea then, sorry |
| 12:38.54 | xelon | DerSchotte, Everything comes up after I installed wireless card!!! |
| 12:39.01 | jethro | tarzeau: noticed that :) |
| 12:39.02 | jethro | d |
| 12:39.14 | flymeteor | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.35 | jetscreamer | err wakeful |
| 12:39.35 | rijakr | Jesus |
| 12:39.35 | rijakr | People can't take a joke on the internet. |
| 12:39.35 | xelon | DerSchotte, did you make a configuration on etc/modules.conf for your ethernet cards! |
| 12:39.43 | rijakr | they didn't like the emerge debian-woody thing. |
| 12:39.43 | jethro | haha |
| 12:39.49 | clojster | is building kernel with initrd better than without it? |
| 12:39.50 | DerSchotte | xelon: no, in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:39.57 | jetscreamer | in soviet russia, jokes take you |
| 12:40.01 | jetscreamer | (?) |
| 12:40.05 | tarzeau | jethro: yay |
| 12:40.12 | jethro | pacman is cool! |
| 12:40.25 | xelon | But, how the system knows which card is eth0 or which card is eth1 ??? |
| 12:40.27 | liable | *munch* |
| 12:40.27 | jetscreamer | clojster: there is no better, it's what works better for you |
| 12:40.41 | xelon | DerSchotte, But, how the system knows which card is eth0 or which card is eth1 ??? |
| 12:40.42 | jetscreamer | clojster: if you need initrd, use it |
| 12:40.46 | jetscreamer | if not, don't |
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| 12:40.52 | clojster | jetscreamer: I mean... whats it good for? |
| 12:40.58 | asg | xelon: dmesg | grep eth |
| 12:41.01 | DerSchotte | xelon: look into /etc/network/interfaces and you'll see how ;) |
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| 12:41.07 | jetscreamer | xelon: the little elves tell it |
| 12:41.08 | liable | dont do initrd |
| 12:41.21 | xelon | jetscreamer, funny |
| 12:41.23 | jetscreamer | clojster: for running the same kernel across different machines basically |
| 12:41.26 | liable | compile in |
| 12:41.30 | jethro | jetscreamer: I always thought it was dwarves |
| 12:41.43 | DerSchotte | xelon: Oh I get it, ethX is assigned by the PCI bus, you take what you get :) |
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| 12:42.13 | liable | jetscreamer: see ya |
| 12:42.16 | xelon | DerSchotte, well, where can i see that? |
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| 12:42.31 | bbrazil | xelon: there's stuff to force each to be a speficic MAC, I think there's example lying around /etc/network |
| 12:42.32 | llama32 | anyone know of a [new] programming language or dialect that is in need of a GUI toolkit? |
| 12:42.37 | DerSchotte | do you have eth0 and eth1 ? |
| 12:42.52 | liable | DerSchotte: ifrename |
| 12:43.03 | ribnitz | llama32: scheme. |
| 12:43.24 | xelon | DerSchotte, now i'm on kernel-2.6.8-2.386, there is only eth0 on etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:43.59 | jetscreamer | 2 1 bye |
| 12:44.08 | xelon | DerSchotte, the error while loading is sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 | eth2: unknown hardware address type 24 |
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| 12:45.00 | DerSchotte | xelon: if you only have 2 cards then you should only have eth0 and eth1 |
| 12:45.23 | john_ | list |
| 12:46.05 | ribnitz | jim: suppose I use lvm2 on one hd, and that hd dies, isnt it harder then to restore the data, than if I use the (normal) partitions? |
| 12:46.08 | tarzeau | jethro: make bubbles again |
| 12:46.23 | rijakr | smoke time |
| 12:46.32 | xelon | DerSchotte, you tell me to configure /etc/network/interfaces. don't you? |
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| 12:47.09 | jethro | tarzeau: I m getting less bad every day |
| 12:47.12 | DerSchotte | xelon: What does 'dmesg | grep "^eth"' show ? |
| 12:47.21 | tarzeau | jethro: you stole my dragon and then MY BONUS! |
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| 12:47.55 | jethro | tarzeau: :) |
| 12:48.17 | liable | tarzeau: can you play this game on dialup? |
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| 12:48.31 | xelon | eth0: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95705A50) rev 3003 PHY(5705)] (PCI:33MHz:32-bit) 10/100/1000BaseT Ethernet 00:12:79:c3:88:38, eth0: RXcsums[1] LinkChgREG[0] MIirq[0] ASF[0] Split[0] WireSpeed[0] TSOcap[0] |
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| 12:48.58 | xelon | DerSchotte, but the kernel is 2.6.8-2.386. I had a problem on 2.6.8 |
| 12:49.03 | jethro | liable: if your dialup has less latency than Phated's internet, it should work fine :) |
| 12:49.14 | Phated | Ahem, sorry. |
| 12:49.14 | jethro | :D |
| 12:49.16 | DerSchotte | xelon: no mention of eth1 ? |
| 12:49.24 | liable | haha |
| 12:49.30 | liable | nasty |
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| 12:49.37 | tarzeau | liable: sure |
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| 12:49.55 | tarzeau | jethro: 3 dragosn joined, come play again |
| 12:50.11 | jethro | tarzeau: yes, it'll take just a few minutes until I come back |
| 12:50.16 | xelon | DerSchotte, no, because I installed the wireless card on 2.6.8 kernel! |
| 12:50.30 | jethro | tarzeau: I noticed them joining, it's gonna be hard with armin there :) |
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| 12:50.40 | xelon | DerSchotte, if you want i can reboot the system with 2.6.8 |
| 12:50.56 | xelon | and take dmesg |
| 12:51.04 | DerSchotte | modprobe your other module |
| 12:51.45 | liable | xelon: whats ifconfig say? |
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| 12:52.46 | xelon | liable, with 2.6.8 or 2.6.8-2.386? |
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| 12:52.48 | liable | xelon: re-compile the drivers for you're new kernel? |
| 12:52.50 | xerophyte | Good knowledgebase forum, text files, or wiki??? i mean personal linux relaged knowledgebase ??? |
| 12:53.08 | xelon | liable, yes, I also looked with modconf |
| 12:53.09 | jethro | xerophyte: www.fifi.org |
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| 12:53.40 | liable | xelon: so, you compiled for an older kernel? |
| 12:53.54 | xelon | liable, no with 2.6.8 |
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| 12:54.35 | paulswm | !qotd77 |
| 12:54.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd77 is <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
| 12:54.37 | xelon | liable, it is same kernel but to install wireless card, i have to compile a new kernel! |
| 12:54.39 | liable | xelon: ok, for my benifit, start again please. |
| 12:54.40 | paulswm | Hah, fixed |
| 12:54.59 | xerophyte | jethro, ??? |
| 12:54.59 | xelon | The problem from beginning : |
| 12:55.01 | liable | !gentoosmite paulswm |
| 12:55.09 | liable | :) |
| 12:55.10 | xelon | hi, I installed debian to my hp laptop. And search the internet for how to install intel 2200BG wireless card. And i find this website : ipw2200.sf.net . To install this driver I had to compile new kernel. Than I download kernel-source-2.6.8 and compile it. Now my wireless card is working. But I can't use my tg3 ethernet card. When i run "ifup eth0", it tries to connect to LAN with 2200BG card. I had searched Web again. than i find this document : |
| 12:55.17 | xelon | http://www.redhat.com/mirrors/LDP/HOWTO/Ethernet-HOWTO-2.html#ss2.4 . But i don't know if it works or not. Also i don't know the io ports and interrupts. What can i do??? |
| 12:55.18 | paulswm | :D |
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| 12:56.15 | liable | xelon: ok, whats ifconfig show? just one card? |
| 12:56.23 | jethro | !irritate xerophyte |
| 12:56.24 | dpkg | xerophyte: HELP ME!!! who uses cable ???/ |
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| 12:56.30 | xelon | liable, with old kernel, yes |
| 12:56.49 | xelon | liable, but i don't know with new kernel |
| 12:57.30 | xelon | liable, I can reboot the system, and tell you what dmesg, ifconfig says |
| 12:57.31 | xelon | ? |
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| 12:57.44 | liable | xelon: well, what kernel were you running, when you compiled the driver? |
| 12:57.45 | rijakr | Got some wireless testing to do. |
| 12:57.46 | rijakr | Laterz |
| 12:58.15 | xelon | liable, 2.6.8-2.386 (comes with sarge), and i compiled kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 12:59.27 | liable | xelon: ok, look in /lib/modules/2.6.8/* and find where the module is |
| 12:59.42 | xelon | liable, which module??? |
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| 13:00.23 | liable | xelon: whats your card you are trying to chase? |
| 13:00.47 | xelon | liable, tg3 and ipw2200 |
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| 13:01.32 | liable | xelon: lsmod, does it show both cards modules loaded? |
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| 13:02.26 | xelon | with kernel-2.6.8-2.386 just tg3, but with kernel-2.6.8 tg3 and ipw2200 are loaded |
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| 13:02.41 | shingouz | xelon: you said ifconfig didnt show you anything, did you try ifconfig -a ? |
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| 13:02.57 | liable | xelon: ok, booy into 2.6.8 |
| 13:03.02 | Sora_Aoi | how do u check a file against a sfv file in debian? |
| 13:03.02 | liable | boot |
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| 13:03.27 | xelon | liable, ok.wait a minute |
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| 13:04.00 | yaccobb | Is there some same powerfull graphical equivalent of mc ? |
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| 13:04.43 | liable | yaccobb: er, isnt mc gui? |
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| 13:04.46 | saabin | hello |
| 13:04.47 | saabin | How can I check the first argument is email? $1 contains @ and looks like email so store it to $myvar |
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| 13:05.39 | yaccobb | liable: well graphical mean non-treminal-based. some X gui. |
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| 13:06.04 | ArcSine | something changed my fstab, what could it have been? |
| 13:06.20 | liable | ArcSine: a hax0r? |
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| 13:06.24 | Guerin | ArcSine: anything with root access |
| 13:06.45 | Guerin | in other words, you, or a hax0r, or anyone else you're stupid enough to give root |
| 13:07.02 | ArcSine | no it was some autoconfiguration thing |
| 13:07.10 | tombs | hi ppl |
| 13:07.13 | liable | ArcSine: seriously, I dont think theres anythng that does but you |
| 13:07.13 | Guerin | saabin: #bash |
| 13:07.16 | yaccobb | !ppl |
| 13:07.16 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 13:07.34 | ArcSine | i chaned it and then it was restored again |
| 13:07.42 | Guerin | some packages might edit fstab, not not wwithout confirmation |
| 13:07.57 | ArcSine | i'm using mepis |
| 13:08.00 | liable | ArcSine: maybe you tried as a user? |
| 13:08.00 | asg | bah |
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| 13:08.02 | saabin | How can I check the first argument is email? $1 contains @ and looks like email so store it to $myvar, anyone have any good guess? |
| 13:08.04 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
| 13:08.08 | Guerin | !moron ArcSine |
| 13:08.08 | dpkg | ArcSine: You are moron #55 |
| 13:08.12 | liable | ArcSine: #mepis |
| 13:08.13 | ArcSine | liable: i'm not stupid |
| 13:08.14 | Guerin | ArcSine: #mepis |
| 13:08.25 | liable | ArcSine: yes, you are |
| 13:08.26 | asg | saabin: perl, sed, egrep |
| 13:08.26 | ArcSine | #mepis is almost empty |
| 13:08.31 | asg | ArcSine: tough |
| 13:08.31 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 13:08.31 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 13:08.42 | saabin | asg: in bash can be done? |
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| 13:08.49 | saabin | asg: in bash can be done? I think so. |
| 13:09.02 | ArcSine | why am I a moron? |
| 13:09.04 | asg | saabin: yes by using shell tools, such as grep, sed, etc. |
| 13:09.13 | Guerin | ArcSine: you are about the 1,000th person today to come to #debian with a non-debian question |
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| 13:09.26 | liable | ArcSine: fuck off, another *plonk* |
| 13:09.34 | ArcSine | hey donät be rude |
| 13:09.58 | saabin | asg: give me an example |
| 13:09.59 | liable | !based on debian |
| 13:09.59 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 13:10.12 | xelon | liable, i change the /etc/network/interfaces solved it |
| 13:10.13 | mysurfguide | ArcSine, it's not a matter of being a moron, it is a matter of them showing their incompotence. |
| 13:10.18 | Guerin | saabin: ask in #bash. This is offtopic as well. |
| 13:10.29 | Guerin | mysurfguide: fuck off. |
| 13:10.33 | saabin | Guerin: I know. Sorry |
| 13:10.35 | mysurfguide | yawn |
| 13:10.37 | liable | xelon: sweet |
| 13:10.49 | xelon | liable, but there are errors |
| 13:10.57 | bwlang | is it possible to put two differnet subnets on the same network? ive done ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.100.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 and given the other side an address of 0.10 . routes are available on both ends but when i ping tcpdump shows no traffic... any idea of what I'm doing wrong? |
| 13:11.00 | liable | mysurfguide: go get fucked and /leave |
| 13:11.14 | Guerin | the point here is that none of us know what the people who made mepis have done to make fstab change without user intervention. We can't help this situation. it's not like that in debian. |
| 13:11.17 | xelon | liable, sit0: unknown hardware address type 776, eth2: unknown hardware address type 24 |
| 13:11.28 | xelon | liable, do you know the means of this errors? |
| 13:11.39 | jethro | bwlang: you're not making much sense |
| 13:11.50 | bwlang | jethro: hmm what's unclear... |
| 13:11.58 | Guerin | bwlang: it is possible, and you have it right in principle. |
| 13:12.03 | Guerin | yeah he is |
| 13:12.06 | bwlang | jethro: this is a test env... i'm not going to run like this |
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| 13:12.31 | jethro | bwlang: you want to multiple IP networks on the same ethernet? |
| 13:12.35 | liable | xelon: ifconfig shows? |
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| 13:12.54 | mysurfguide | although ArcSine, most people are nice in here. |
| 13:12.55 | bwlang | Guerin ... one strange thing - route -n shows all the routes as going through eth0 even though i specfied eth0:0 in the route add command... do you know if that's normal? |
| 13:13.05 | Guerin | bwlang: petemc is a wizard at that kind of thing, I believe. |
| 13:13.20 | jethro | bwlang: that's normal since all you aliases share the same MAC |
| 13:13.25 | Guerin | bwlang: I don't know enough about virtual devices to know. |
| 13:13.25 | ArcSine | mysurfguide: thank you |
| 13:13.34 | xelon | liable, where can i paste that message? |
| 13:13.41 | bwlang | guerin: well - thanks.... i'll look around for petemc later.. |
| 13:13.51 | liable | xelon: #flood or pastebin |
| 13:13.57 | bwlang | jethro: thanks... i'll keep trying |
| 13:14.21 | FieldySnuts | cat /dev/zero /dev/null |
| 13:14.24 | xelon | liable, ok, i'm pasting |
| 13:14.52 | jethro | he might also want to cat both files to stdout |
| 13:15.05 | Guerin | yeah, catting /dev/null to stdout is a great idea. |
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| 13:15.17 | jethro | :) |
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| 13:15.24 | llama32 | anyone know of a kernel or OS that runs primarily interprited programmes? other than like commodore 64... |
| 13:15.32 | shingouz | this is a serious pain in the butt, with the Molnar volutary pre-emptive patches i cannot get the hostap modules to compile. bigger hammer, anyone ;) |
| 13:15.49 | liable | commodre64 r0xors |
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| 13:16.03 | xelon | liable, pasted |
| 13:16.10 | RichiH | tarzeau: about? |
| 13:16.14 | liable | xelon: where? |
| 13:16.21 | xelon | #flood |
| 13:16.35 | RichiH | tarzeau: do selam and rez have any meaning in turkish? |
| 13:16.46 | tarzeau | RichiH: selam yes, rez never heard |
| 13:16.53 | useruser | !turkish |
| 13:16.53 | dpkg | methinks turkish is #turklug, or trke yardm iin #debian.tr |
| 13:16.55 | tarzeau | RichiH: play #bub-n-bros ? http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 13:17.00 | xelon | liable, eth1 is tg3. but what are the others? |
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| 13:17.26 | liable | xelon: how many cards do you have? |
| 13:17.55 | liable | xelon: one eth, one wireless? |
| 13:17.59 | xelon | 2 ethernet cards(one wireless, one wired) , and bluetooth |
| 13:17.59 | llama32 | liable: i agree :) [about c64 being good] |
| 13:18.34 | liable | llama32: hehe |
| 13:18.58 | FieldySnuts | yay |
| 13:19.01 | RichiH | tarzeau: lemme lokk |
| 13:19.22 | llama32 | liavle: im looking for a multitasking Commodore Basic clone :) |
| 13:19.28 | RichiH | tarzeau: ooohhh |
| 13:19.35 | RichiH | tarzeau: i will _definately_ need to install that |
| 13:19.44 | liable | xelon: paste you're interfaces file |
| 13:19.49 | jethro | RichiH: indeed |
| 13:19.53 | tarzeau | RichiH: YAY! up to 10 players |
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| 13:19.57 | RichiH | tarzeau: but only in two weeks, else i will miss one or more of my three deadlines ;p |
| 13:20.02 | liable | Guerin: note ^^ you're :) |
| 13:20.07 | jethro | hah |
| 13:20.14 | xelon | liable, i looked dmesg and find this : "ip1394: eth2: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0)" |
| 13:20.15 | FieldySnuts | oh what a jerk; i set k3b's options to NOT eject when done (I have a door), and it just did it anyway to reload the media, slamming the tray against the door which didn't open, fuck you |
| 13:20.19 | FieldySnuts | !lart k3b |
| 13:20.27 | Phated | Tut. |
| 13:20.31 | pert | does anyone know if it's possible to get a dhclient to ignore the default route it's sent? |
| 13:20.32 | liable | fuck |
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| 13:20.33 | FieldySnuts | lucky I was home |
| 13:20.37 | xelon | liable, ok |
| 13:20.38 | liable | wrong again |
| 13:20.56 | pert | i have a box with lots of networks cards and two of the networks it connects to use dhcp but i only want one default route |
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| 13:21.23 | gearry | I managed to boot my system with the rescue disk |
| 13:21.27 | xelon | liable, it is on #flood |
| 13:21.30 | gearry | but I am still having trouble with lilo |
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| 13:21.42 | tarzeau | gearry: use GRUB |
| 13:21.46 | pert | hehe |
| 13:21.55 | gearry | actually I thought of that |
| 13:21.56 | pert | gearry: what's happening? |
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| 13:22.18 | gearry | fatal_: Setup length exceeds 31 maximum; kernel setup will overwrite boot loader |
| 13:22.35 | gearry | I am using debian packaged kernels |
| 13:22.42 | pert | is this when you run lilo? |
| 13:22.45 | gearry | yes |
| 13:22.56 | liable | xelon: ok, what are you connected with now? |
| 13:22.56 | xelon | liable, i changed the eth0 to eth1 and it worked. eth1 is tg3, eth2 is ieee1394. but what is eth0 and sit0??? |
| 13:23.07 | FieldySnuts | wtf, k3b keeps crashing when i put a specific mp3 on it, does fine with others, not my day for k3b |
| 13:23.12 | FieldySnuts | and i'm in a hurry too GRR |
| 13:23.17 | xelon | liable, with eth1 (tg3) |
| 13:23.20 | mysurfguide | !modprobe |
| 13:23.21 | dpkg | i heard modprobe is something you use to install modules with it |
| 13:23.25 | liable | xelon: ok, prob solved? or what? |
| 13:23.29 | mysurfguide | geesh |
| 13:23.35 | FieldySnuts | guess ill convert to wav first... no choice |
| 13:23.49 | gearry | right now I am running 2.4 from the install disk, 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 13:24.05 | asg | gearry: install a proper 2.4.18 kernel, the bf2.4 is for installation only. |
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| 13:24.33 | gearry | I would like to avoid having to reinstall the kernel |
| 13:24.36 | liable | mysurfguide: man modprobe, and fuck off :) |
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| 13:24.57 | cyphertc | hi all |
| 13:24.58 | gearry | but I suppose I will if I have to |
| 13:25.23 | pert | gearry: probably not. did you write your own lilo config? |
| 13:25.30 | gearry | what I really want to do is just write a boot sector with the correct info |
| 13:25.41 | gearry | I modified the debian one |
| 13:25.52 | remmy | does anyone play ultima online? if so have you gotten it to work with linux? |
| 13:26.00 | cyphertc | could someone help me with some X problem on debian sarge x86? |
| 13:26.03 | gearry | but the only mod I made was to enter the initrd stuff |
| 13:26.12 | gearry | as instructed |
| 13:26.17 | xelon | liable, I can connect to LAN with eth1 but what is the others (eth0 and sit0) ? and i have errors when i run "ifup eth1" , "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776, eth2: unknown hardware address type 24" ? But it is connecting anyway!!! |
| 13:26.20 | xelon | liable, I can connect to LAN with eth1 but what is the others (eth0 and sit0) ? and i have errors when i run "ifup eth1" , "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776, eth2: unknown hardware address type 24" ? But it is connecting anyway!!! |
| 13:26.28 | pert | gearry: fancy spamming it to me in a pm? |
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| 13:26.57 | xelon | liable, I can connect to LAN with eth1 but what is the others (eth0 and sit0) ? and i have errors when i run "ifup eth1" , "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776, eth2: unknown hardware address type 24" ? But it is connecting anyway!!! |
| 13:27.07 | liable | xelon: ifconfig down eth0 |
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| 13:27.20 | liable | xelon: ifconfig down sit0 |
| 13:27.24 | gearry | it occured to me that I might just try restoring one of the backups, but I have not dug up instructions on how to restore my boot sector from backup, rather than rerunning lilo |
| 13:27.29 | mysurfguide | Modprobe one of uhci-hcd, ohci-hcd, or ehci-hcd, depending on what controller you have.su |
| 13:27.36 | jethro | pert: I know you can set a different route using /etc/dhclient.conf, I just don't know if you can ignore the one you get from dhcpd |
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| 13:27.42 | xelon | sit0 : unknown host |
| 13:27.47 | xelon | eth0 : unknown host |
| 13:27.50 | liable | xelon: I dont know wtf you have done to get those in ifconfig |
| 13:27.54 | jethro | pert: I suggest you man dhclient.conf and do various tries |
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| 13:27.59 | pert | gearry: i think making lilo work is going to be better |
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| 13:28.10 | j_k | xelon: it's the other way round (ifconfig eth0 down) |
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| 13:28.43 | xelon | j_k, it runs but no message |
| 13:28.43 | pert | jethro: i've had a good look at the mans and on google but no luck as yet |
| 13:28.53 | liable | xelon: thats good |
| 13:29.03 | liable | xelon: ifconfig |
| 13:29.09 | llama32 | anyone know if fopen("stdin", ... will work? i know its a long way to get stdin, but in my case i want it |
| 13:29.10 | jethro | pert: something like supersede options routers a.b.c.d |
| 13:29.32 | asg | llama32: #c to be sure but fopen("/dev/stdin", ... should work |
| 13:29.46 | DeadZed | Whats the easiest way to create live customized Debian CD .. (let's say Ubuntu kernel + xfce , etc) |
| 13:29.48 | xelon | liable, there are eth1, eth2 and lo on ifconfig |
| 13:29.51 | xelon | liable |
| 13:29.51 | pert | jethro: do you mean give it an invalid IP in the supersede? |
| 13:29.52 | llama32 | thanks asg |
| 13:29.53 | asg | DeadZed: bootcd |
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| 13:30.12 | xelon | liable, but which is my wireless card(ipw2200)??? |
| 13:30.24 | pert | jethro: the only other thing i can think of is to have a route del in post-up |
| 13:30.27 | asg | DeadZed: also, see the latest article on debian-administration.org for a simple howto and walkthrough. |
| 13:30.37 | DeadZed | :) |
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| 13:30.42 | jethro | pert: I just googled and read the manpage, and found this. and no, I mean use a likewise statement that would disable the default route you get. as I said, it can be used to set a different route, but I don't know if it can be used to ignore the thing. another solution would be route del in post-up, yes |
| 13:30.50 | xelon | liable, but which is my wireless card(ipw2200)??? |
| 13:30.58 | xelon | pardon |
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| 13:32.13 | jethro | pert: giving it an invalid IP would only fuck your routing table |
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| 13:32.43 | xelon | liable, now how can i connect to Wireless LAN? |
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| 13:32.54 | DeadZed | asg Can I create customized live CD using bootcd in VMware ? |
| 13:33.35 | asg | DeadZed: I don't see why not. You can also create one from a debootstrapped chroot also (which I use to build custom installers that need vanilla kernels for san booting.) |
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| 13:34.04 | bug_code | I neek a help |
| 13:34.08 | bug_code | in installation |
| 13:34.13 | jethro | !tell bug_code -about smart questions |
| 13:34.27 | bug_code | how can I install usb modules to configure usb mouse?? |
| 13:34.42 | DeadZed | !tell DeadZed -about smart questions |
| 13:34.42 | bug_code | the system do't find input, usbcore, etc.. |
| 13:34.43 | omry_ | I have two debian systems, with the same /etc/apt/sources.list file, yet I am missing some packages from one machine which appears on the other one. (like mldonkey and amule), what could cause it? |
| 13:34.46 | liable | xelon: lsof | grep *ipw* |
| 13:34.49 | sime | I compiled the 2.6.11 vanilla kernel with suspend2 patches, my CPU is always spiking when it should be idle, how can I troubleshoot this problem ? |
| 13:35.04 | asg | omry_: you didn't install them on the other? |
| 13:35.12 | useruser | omry_: apt-cache policy may reveal the answers |
| 13:35.15 | sime | using sarge 2.6.8 kernel, CPU usage is fine |
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| 13:35.38 | asg | sime: does 2.6.11 exhibit the same behavior without the suspend2 patches? |
| 13:35.46 | gearry | pert: did you get it? |
| 13:35.54 | shingouz | xelon: set the essid with iwconfig, ifconfig the card up with manual parameters and you should be set. otherwise you need to put the relevant information into /etc/network/interfaces and ifup the card. man interfaces, man iwconfig, man ifconfig |
| 13:36.00 | omry_ | asg, what do you mean? |
| 13:36.04 | liable | sime: whats that to do with ss2? |
| 13:36.21 | asg | omry_: just having the same sources.list doesn't mean the packages will be the same (unless you made sure to install the same packages on both.) |
| 13:36.28 | shingouz | bug_code: what kernel you have? uname -a |
| 13:36.50 | xelon | liable, no output |
| 13:36.55 | omry_ | asg, I am trying to install them, but they don't show in the list. (apt-cache search amule doesn't show amule) |
| 13:37.11 | useruser | omry_: apt-cache policy amule on both machines |
| 13:37.13 | asg | omry_: did you apt-get update? |
| 13:37.37 | asg | omry_: were they both fresh installs or was one a previous install that you have been upgrading overtime? |
| 13:37.46 | bug_code | 2.4 |
| 13:37.50 | bug_code | I guess |
| 13:37.51 | xelon | shingouz, on iwconfig the eth0 card seems. I thing that is the wireless card. |
| 13:37.58 | shingouz | bug_code: run uname -a |
| 13:38.02 | jethro | bug_code: don't guess, run uname -a in a shell |
| 13:38.03 | xerophyte | how do you make DOS attack just wondering .. i need to prevent before that i need to know how to make one |
| 13:38.06 | asg | bug_code: past the output of uname -a, don't translate it. |
| 13:38.07 | bug_code | i'm not linux |
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| 13:38.10 | sime | asg, i only had it breifly install like that, i'll have to retest |
| 13:38.10 | liable | xelon: ok, iwconfig essid any dhcp |
| 13:38.16 | omry_ | useruser, on the machine that is missing it apt-cache policy amule says it can't fine it. on the other one it printed some stuff. |
| 13:38.18 | tactless | Any students here? If so, what do you use to manage your homework? |
| 13:38.24 | sime | liable, because the kernel is not vanilla then |
| 13:38.29 | shingouz | bug_code: you need to have the linux computer up and running or i cannot help you |
| 13:38.30 | liable | xelon: bleh |
| 13:38.31 | asg | sime: also, test 2.6.10 with ss2 patches, I've found 2.6.11 to be buggy. |
| 13:38.31 | useruser | omry_: analyze "some stuff" for the answer |
| 13:38.49 | fumbalah | is there a real player package for debian, or something comperable... |
| 13:38.57 | pert | tactless: coke, coffee and irn bru |
| 13:39.00 | pert | :) |
| 13:39.03 | tactless | :) |
| 13:39.05 | omry_ | asg, none is a fresh install, although the one that has amule is older. |
| 13:39.06 | asg | fumbalah: mplayer, xine, or download realplayer from real.com |
| 13:39.09 | xelon | liable, is that a command? |
| 13:39.14 | asg | omry_: are they sarge boxes? |
| 13:39.14 | shingouz | fumbalah: realplayer can be found from real. it sucks though |
| 13:39.16 | sime | asg, okay thanks, (kernel compiles take ages tho :) |
| 13:39.18 | pert | tactless: how do you mean manage? |
| 13:39.21 | liable | sime: top |
| 13:39.21 | tactless | I'm thinking command-line based utility... I've tried pal and remind, neither of them are well-suited for this. |
| 13:39.23 | asg | sime: yeah, sorry about that. |
| 13:39.30 | liable | xelon: no silly :) |
| 13:39.41 | sime | liable, nothing decent, its not a consent load |
| 13:39.55 | xelon | liable, :D |
| 13:40.03 | fumbalah | I need something Ifilm.com supports, which is quicktime, windows media player(obviously not an option), and realplayer, so I think I made the only choice I could |
| 13:40.03 | omry_ | useruser, here it is, I dosn't tell me anything : amule: Installed: 1.2.6+rc7-2 Candidate: 1.2.6+rc7-2 Version Table: *** 1.2.6+rc7-2 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 13:40.10 | omry_ | asg, yeah, both sarge. |
| 13:40.16 | pert | tactless: no idea. sorry. i run a bugzilla for that kind of thing |
| 13:40.19 | FieldySnuts | !fuck ifilm.com |
| 13:40.22 | asg | omry_: amule may have been removed from sarge since you installed it on the first one. |
| 13:40.29 | asg | omry_: /msg dpkg why is amule not in testing |
| 13:40.31 | liable | xelon: ok, ifconfig, whats it say? |
| 13:40.44 | shingouz | !quicktime |
| 13:40.44 | dpkg | i guess quicktime is apple's multimedia file format, at http://www.quicktime.apple.com/ or Quicktime for Linux (Low level Quicktime library for *NIX), section Development/Libraries, is LGPL. Stable: 1.1.2, Development: none. http://apps.freshmeat.net/homepage/919133076/ |
| 13:40.45 | liable | xelon: how many now? |
| 13:40.50 | shingouz | fumbalah: maybe that helps |
| 13:40.50 | asg | fumbalah: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 13:40.51 | xelon | liable, on iwconfig other than eth0 (lo, eth1, eth2-00 and sit0) says no wireless extensions |
| 13:41.02 | useruser | omry_: looks like you installed it some time ago but it's no longer available from your sources |
| 13:41.05 | shingouz | mplayer does real and quicktime too? wow |
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| 13:41.12 | fumbalah | thanks :) |
| 13:41.16 | asg | shingouz: if you have the right codecs, yes. |
| 13:41.17 | xelon | liable, there is eth1, eth2 and lo |
| 13:41.18 | jethro | shingouz: just depends on how you build it |
| 13:41.25 | shingouz | neat |
| 13:41.32 | useruser | omry_: ie if you ran apt-get remove amule ; apt-get install amule then i suspect that it would not be able to find it |
| 13:41.46 | liable | xelon: ok, so, ifconfig eth0 inet up |
| 13:42.01 | omry_ | useruser, it might pick it from the cache, but I see what you mean. |
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| 13:42.06 | xelon | liable, no output |
| 13:42.13 | useruser | omry_: otherwise the version table would mention http://somesource |
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| 13:42.40 | omry_ | useruser, I see. http://source of deb. |
| 13:42.43 | liable | xelon: ok, so, ifconfig eth0 inet dhcp up |
| 13:43.01 | useruser | omry_: yup. like this 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org sid/main Packages |
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| 13:43.20 | xelon | liable, dhcp : unknown host |
| 13:43.21 | useruser | omry_: (it's in sid) |
| 13:43.35 | remmy | i have a nvidia graphics card, ive downloaded the x86 driver from the website but it wont install. im using sarge. is this the right driver? what else could i do? |
| 13:43.39 | colter | what webmail service could you recommend me in regards to security and stability? |
| 13:43.56 | liable | xelon: whats the essid? |
| 13:44.03 | Agrajag- | colter: squirrelmail is pretty decent |
| 13:44.08 | xelon | liable, what? |
| 13:44.17 | liable | hmm |
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| 13:44.31 | AlieM | hi |
| 13:44.42 | liable | xelon: you have a ap to connect too? |
| 13:44.53 | omry_ | useruser, so if I want it I`ll have to manually install the deb? |
| 13:44.55 | xelon | liable, i have kwifimanager |
| 13:45.00 | AlieM | does anybody know hot to add user nobody? i deleted it... :( |
| 13:45.21 | jethro | !pal AlieM |
| 13:45.27 | omry_ | its strange, mldonkey is missing, but some mldonkey gui package is still around. |
| 13:45.37 | colter | Agrajag-: how is it security-wise? I'd rather not use webmail at all than a service that needs bugfixes every month |
| 13:45.41 | liable | xelon: oh, shit, do you have a wireless router/acces point? |
| 13:45.47 | j_k | AlieM: maybe dpkg-reconfigure passwd will do? |
| 13:45.48 | AlieM | hehe ... it was a little mistake |
| 13:46.08 | Agrajag- | colter: all depends how you set it up. the stable version is.. well stable |
| 13:46.10 | AlieM | ill try it ... tnx |
| 13:46.25 | xelon | liable, shit too, I am a stupid man. I forgot that |
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| 13:46.32 | jethro | AlieM: add this to /etc/passwd -> nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh |
| 13:46.34 | colter | Agrajag-: I'll look into it |
| 13:46.40 | xelon | liable, thanks, you are my hero :D |
| 13:46.49 | eXistenZ | how much space is it good to allocate for home usage debian? |
| 13:47.42 | asg | eXistenZ: it depends on what the box will be used for |
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| 13:47.52 | j_k | jethro: so you can 'su nobody'? |
| 13:47.54 | useruser | omry_: guess so |
| 13:48.02 | jethro | j_k: so what? |
| 13:48.14 | useruser | eXistenZ: 5 terabytes |
| 13:48.15 | eXistenZ | asg: home usage |
| 13:48.24 | mikeX | wtf, is it norma to have 3 shadow files? shadow, shadow- and shadow.org |
| 13:48.27 | useruser | eXistenZ: no, 6 |
| 13:48.27 | eXistenZ | useruser: i see you have sense of humour. |
| 13:48.27 | j_k | jethro: so nothing. You can get a nobody shell with less typing :-) |
| 13:48.28 | xelon | liable, one more question. When I reboot the system by typing "reboot" the systems is waiting after the message "The system is rebooting". But i can halt the system. Acpi was installed. Is this a configuration error or what? |
| 13:48.36 | liable | xelon: so, do you have a router or what? |
| 13:48.46 | jethro | j_k: you should man su |
| 13:48.46 | pngwn | eXistenZ, partitioning advice on debian.org...there is an installation manual |
| 13:48.49 | asg | eXistenZ: I'd just make it use the rest of your free space after configuring / /var /usr /tmp and swap |
| 13:49.04 | liable | xelon: shutdown -r |
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| 13:49.55 | xelon | liable, i think i'm in work. But i'm in home. sorry for that, there is no wireless ADSL modem :D. so sorry |
| 13:50.15 | xelon | liable, thank you so much |
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| 13:51.03 | xelon | liable, "shutdown -r" is not working ?? |
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| 13:51.09 | AlieM | jethro: thanks for the tip |
| 13:51.18 | xelon | ok sorry |
| 13:51.19 | xelon | D: |
| 13:51.31 | remmy | when i run NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7174-pkg1.run to install nvidia drivers it gives me an error " there is no precompiled kernal interface" |
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| 13:51.42 | remmy | can anyone help me? |
| 13:51.47 | liable | xelon: you want to reboot? |
| 13:51.48 | asg | remmy: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 13:52.08 | pert | jethro: i have found how to do it with dhcpcd but it does not seem possible with dhclient or dhcp3-client |
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| 13:52.22 | pert | (just in case you are intrerested( |
| 13:52.26 | pert | boh |
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| 13:53.13 | liable | haha, guess it did work |
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| 13:53.36 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
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| 13:54.28 | RichiH | can anyone please tell me what my last /quit or /part message was? |
| 13:54.39 | sobersabre | q. i have 2 nics. i want some daemons listen on eth0 and others on eth1. how shall i set routing up ? |
| 13:54.45 | tarzeau | !seen RichiH |
| 13:54.47 | dpkg | richih is currently on #debian (39m 41s) #debian-ops (39m 41s). Has said a total of 9454 messages. Is idling for 19s |
| 13:54.57 | liable | 23:19 < RichiH> tarzeau: but only in two weeks, else i will miss one or more of my three deadlines ;p |
| 13:54.59 | tarzeau | RichiH: not in my lastlog anymore |
| 13:55.00 | FieldySnuts | sobersabre: that isn't a routing issue, it's a per-daemon config issue |
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| 13:55.05 | asg | sobersabre: set a default route for one, set a static route for the other, configure daemons. |
| 13:55.09 | FieldySnuts | he said quit message not that. |
| 13:55.16 | RichiH | hmm, does anyone log that stuff |
| 13:55.19 | xelon | HELP : I can't reboot. When i run "reboot" or "shutdown -r". the systems is frozen after the message "The system is rebooting" appears. it is a laptop and acpi is installed |
| 13:55.24 | RichiH | i can give you a timestamp, if need be |
| 13:55.29 | jethro | pert: I assumed you weren't able to change the configuration on the dhcpd, but that's another way to do it |
| 13:55.47 | sobersabre | FieldySnuts, i have twice same network entry, once through eth0 and 2nd time through eth1 |
| 13:55.56 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
| 13:55.59 | sobersabre | doesn't it cause any prolems ? |
| 13:56.06 | fumbalah | is there a captive ntfs package for debian, I cant find one with dpkg or google |
| 13:56.13 | FieldySnuts | i have no idea what you just said. anyway i have to go, back tuesday |
| 13:56.20 | FieldySnuts | no, use a real filesystem. |
| 13:56.27 | jethro | fumbalah: no there isn't afaict |
| 13:56.28 | sobersabre | asg, which static route shall i set up ? |
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| 13:57.21 | asg | sobersabre: well, one interface will route default packages to the network it's connected to, the other will route to the other network. |
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| 13:57.50 | sobersabre | asg, both interfaces are in the same subnet. is this problematic ? |
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| 13:58.06 | sobersabre | asg, i am NAT'ting. |
| 13:58.19 | zignig | bleh! |
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| 13:59.32 | yaccobb | how can I run mc in graphical mode ? |
| 13:59.48 | liable | xelon: maybe apm, is in order, google your laptop |
| 13:59.50 | sobersabre | yaccobb, mc is ncurses based.... |
| 13:59.59 | asg | sobersabre: no, it is pretty redundant though |
| 14:00.19 | liable | haha its sunday |
| 14:00.21 | xelon | liable, no not accept apm |
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| 14:00.33 | xelon | yaccobb, open a terminal |
| 14:00.35 | asg | sobersabre: you might want to checkout the docs at lartc.org, the cover all sorts of situations like yours that might provide some ideas. |
| 14:00.35 | zignig | liable: not yet 2 hours to go. |
| 14:00.57 | DeadZed | yaccobb nautilus is kde mc |
| 14:01.10 | liable | zignig: is here |
| 14:01.11 | jethro | DeadZed: nautilus is more gnome than kde |
| 14:01.17 | sobersabre | asg, i want to have a DB listen on eth1 (to also answer for internal network requests ) . the webserver on eth0, and is natted via DNAT. |
| 14:01.17 | DeadZed | oops sorry |
| 14:01.27 | zignig | liable: don't belive you. NA ! ;P |
| 14:01.43 | zignig | liable: that would make you .au or .nz |
| 14:02.00 | asg | sobersabre: okay, lartc.org is where you want to go for advanced routing information. |
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| 14:02.07 | liable | zignig: Sun May 29 00:01:39 EST 2005 |
| 14:02.19 | sobersabre | ok, thanks. |
| 14:02.38 | yaccobb | DeadZed: nautilus don't have two windows... |
| 14:03.06 | zignig | liable: east lander ! bleh! |
| 14:03.25 | liable | zignig: bleh, nw qld'er |
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| 14:03.59 | zignig | liable: now don't you worry about that. |
| 14:04.18 | mikeX | wtf, is it normal to have 3 shadow files? shadow, shadow- and shadow.org |
| 14:04.23 | jethro | mikeX: yes |
| 14:04.32 | zignig | asg: sorry doood. |
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| 14:04.43 | mikeX | jethro, i see, how come though? |
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| 14:05.04 | Steven_ | hello, is someone in the mood to help me fix an initrd problem ? |
| 14:05.11 | liable | no |
| 14:05.16 | Steven_ | good |
| 14:05.25 | codehexa | ? |
| 14:05.28 | pert | Steven_: what's up? |
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| 14:05.43 | Steven_ | I installed stable on this machine, on a scsi disk |
| 14:05.53 | yaccobb | Is there something like gnome-terminal without menu ? just terminal inside X wndow ? |
| 14:05.54 | Steven_ | it uses kernel 2.4 |
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| 14:06.04 | pert | Steven_: ok |
| 14:06.09 | Steven_ | now I want to go to 2.6 because that would support my ide controller |
| 14:06.09 | mikeX | yaccobb, you can hide the menu |
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| 14:06.15 | technos | I have come to the conclusion that the entire indian subcontinent is outfitted with asbestos-lined anuses. |
| 14:06.27 | pert | yaccobb: xterm or eterm or many others |
| 14:06.27 | jethro | mikeX: I don't know |
| 14:06.29 | liable | technos: ok |
| 14:06.31 | Steven_ | I booted a knoppix cd that had a 2.6 kernel on it, did dpkg-repack and installed it on the scsi disk |
| 14:06.41 | mikeX | jethro, ok thanks |
| 14:06.45 | zignig | technos: wtf ? you tried a oxycutter ? |
| 14:06.51 | Steven_ | I also did mkinitrd after changing /etc/mkinitrd/modules (added aic7xxx) |
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| 14:07.10 | Steven_ | then I boot grub with initrd (hd3,0)/initrd2.6 |
| 14:07.17 | technos | zignig: A what? No.. Just your average variety indian food. |
| 14:07.21 | pert | Steven_: what does dpkg-repack do? |
| 14:07.21 | Steven_ | and the kernel panics because it can't find root partition |
| 14:07.23 | shingouz | Steven_: not that way, you are running a knoppix/debian hybrid now and that is pretty much unsupportable. install Sarge on the thing and we are able to support it |
| 14:07.31 | mikeX | yaccobb, right click -> hide menubar |
| 14:07.37 | Steven_ | pert : dpkg-repack makes a .deb from a package that is already installed |
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| 14:07.52 | pert | Steven_: why did you need to do that? |
| 14:07.53 | liable | Steven_: start again, are you using debian? |
| 14:07.56 | zignig | technos: oh yes a plasmaizing corma does wonders for the colonic state. |
| 14:08.00 | mikeX | yaccobb, the only thing you can't hide is tabs, konsole does a good job at that howver |
| 14:08.06 | Steven_ | pert : I like packages :) |
| 14:08.11 | technos | But my ass now burns as a result, so the only conclusion is they have a genetic disposition for flame-retardant asses in order to eat their own cuisine. |
| 14:08.14 | shingouz | Steven_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:08.18 | Steven_ | shingouz, liable : hmm |
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| 14:08.26 | donsmith | can I install the ndiswrapper-source package from sarge on kernel 2.4.27? |
| 14:08.35 | pert | Steven_: you could just have downloaded a 2.6 from sarge |
| 14:08.42 | asg | technos: drink a lot of water, you'll be fine. |
| 14:08.44 | Steven_ | I could have |
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| 14:08.58 | liable | donsmith: apt-cache search |
| 14:08.59 | jethro | donsmith: you should be able to "m-a a-i ndiswrapper" |
| 14:09.00 | Steven_ | but I have a slow internet connection, and I only have cd's for woody and knoppix |
| 14:09.01 | zignig | technos: <giggle> yep , you can train your arse into hot food. |
| 14:09.13 | Steven_ | so I'm working with the tools that I have here :) |
| 14:09.21 | sobersabre | technos, i don't know what you ate, but you shouldn't challenge yourself without any gradual training on the subj. |
| 14:09.29 | zignig | technos: it's a local bacteria thing , burn the bugs to death with hot curry. |
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| 14:09.34 | pert | Steven_: as the other guys here have said. as long as you have a reasonable internet connection then installing sarge is going to be sooo much easier. plus you get to use the fab new installer |
| 14:09.36 | jethro | donsmith: but I think you need 2.6 |
| 14:09.36 | asg | Steven_: do a bootstrap install or download the netinstall iso, it's small. |
| 14:09.37 | shingouz | Steven_: so you installed woody on the thing, not something off the knoppix cd. well... the kernel that is but not anything else? |
| 14:09.58 | liable | Steven_: just install debian, and be done with it |
| 14:10.02 | technos | sobersabre: It certainly wasn't a challenge to eat. Damn tasty, especially the tiki masala. |
| 14:10.06 | Steven_ | shingouz : ony the kernel |
| 14:10.06 | yaccobb | mikeX, pert : ok, thanks. |
| 14:10.07 | zignig | technos: there is nothing quite like a _hot_ vindaloo to clear the sinuses and colon though ;/ |
| 14:10.14 | asg | zignig: agreed |
| 14:10.20 | pert | Steven_: ah ok. so you could not download sarge then? |
| 14:10.26 | liable | vindaloo rocks |
| 14:10.35 | Steven_ | ok, everyone wants me to reinstall, fine :) but that doesn't resolve the question of why it doesn't work |
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| 14:10.44 | zignig | asg: an indian neighbour made a whooparse corma and vindaloo. |
| 14:10.46 | Steven_ | am I missing apoint with mkinitrd? do I need more modules ? |
| 14:10.49 | sobersabre | I am used to spicy food, but thai/indians are the toughest. |
| 14:10.59 | shingouz | Steven_: ok, in that case you are running debian. the easiest way for you to make it work is to grab the 2.6 off the debian mirrors, it is nto too big of a package |
| 14:10.59 | zignig | asg: all I can say id I'm glad there were 2 toilets in the house ;)) |
| 14:11.00 | Steven_ | pert: I can download it, but it would take days probably |
| 14:11.10 | asg | zignig: nice, sadly indian cuisine is hard to find here. |
| 14:11.14 | pert | Steven_: what does your mkinitrd.conf look like? |
| 14:11.19 | zignig | asg: where are you again ? |
| 14:11.24 | Steven_ | pert: didn't change it |
| 14:11.24 | shingouz | Steven_: waht is the connection you have there? |
| 14:11.33 | technos | zignig: The vindaloo wasn't all that hot. Or so I thought. |
| 14:11.37 | Steven_ | 60KB/s max |
| 14:11.41 | asg | zignig: east coast us in a hick town that thinks it's cosmo. |
| 14:11.41 | pert | Steven_: do you have MODULES=dep? |
| 14:11.55 | pert | Steven_: thats not bad! |
| 14:12.04 | Steven_ | MODULES=most |
| 14:12.12 | MDC | what to do if a partition mounted as / does not exists in /proc/partitions? |
| 14:12.15 | asg | Steven_: make sure also that you have the modules you want in the initrd in /lib/modules/kernel_version/initrd |
| 14:12.20 | jethro | !tell donsmith -about msg |
| 14:12.28 | Steven_ | to do a netinstall, I still need to burn a cd |
| 14:12.35 | asg | yes |
| 14:12.40 | Steven_ | asg: thats the case |
| 14:12.42 | asg | Steven_: well, you could use floppies |
| 14:12.44 | Steven_ | aic7xxx is there |
| 14:12.50 | zignig | asg: ah , we have a great suburb that has every thing. |
| 14:12.51 | jethro | donsmith: as for the question you asked, there is no indication given by apt-cache show ndiswrapper about the kernel version you have to use, so just try |
| 14:12.52 | donsmith | jethro: sorry, I'm new to bitchx I thought you messaged |
| 14:12.52 | pert | Steven_: if you are spcifing thew modules you want in /etc/mkinitrd/modules then you prob want MODULES=dep in /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf |
| 14:12.52 | Steven_ | asg : I love your humor |
| 14:12.58 | websdale | Hi,My mouse(trust USB wireless optical) - the cursor keeps stopping & only clicking on a button will let it move - any ideas(its been fine til now) |
| 14:13.03 | liable | Steven_: erm, how else? |
| 14:13.13 | jethro | s/wrapper/wrapper-source/ |
| 14:13.17 | zignig | asg: best dim sum, better than hong kong IMNSHO |
| 14:13.21 | pert | Steven_: the sarge netinstall cd is really very small |
| 14:13.22 | donsmith | jethro: I managed to compile the sources, but I was curious as it can't find ndiswrapper for insmod |
| 14:13.27 | asg | zignig: there are 2 indian restaurants within driving distance but they both suck. |
| 14:13.34 | jethro | donsmith: how did you compile? |
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| 14:13.43 | Steven_ | hmm |
| 14:13.45 | zignig | ash run by _white_ people ? |
| 14:13.45 | pert | Steven_: ~50MB |
| 14:13.47 | Steven_ | I could try it |
| 14:13.58 | zignig | *asg |
| 14:14.03 | technos | I have my pick of probably ten indian places inside of 20 minutes drive.. But hell if I can find any lebanese. |
| 14:14.04 | donsmith | jethro: I d/l'ed the source from apt-get and used fakeroot on the bz2 file |
| 14:14.15 | zignig | technos: mmm baclava. |
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| 14:14.16 | asg | zignig: no, run by Indians but catering to the palate of this region. |
| 14:14.19 | jethro | donsmith: did you use make-kpkg ? |
| 14:14.33 | donsmith | jethro: Not directly if I did |
| 14:14.34 | pert | Steven_: I would def recomend a reinstall if you can but i can try and help more with your current problem if you want |
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| 14:14.41 | zignig | asg: boring ! , the best indian restarounts have a 90+ mother in the kitchen. |
| 14:14.46 | asg | technos: we used to have a lebanese but it closed down and was replaced by an expensive Malaysian. |
| 14:14.48 | donsmith | jethro: fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules is what I used |
| 14:15.02 | asg | zignig: yes, and the bathrooms in the back up some stairs :) |
| 14:15.16 | jethro | donsmith: that should provide you with an ndiswrapper-*.deb that you have to install |
| 14:15.24 | zignig | asg: run ! 5.4.3.2.1 ..... |
| 14:15.26 | donsmith | jethro: right, I did install that |
| 14:15.26 | jethro | donsmith: I assume you did this |
| 14:15.41 | Steven_ | pert: reinstall would probably be the easiest way |
| 14:15.55 | Steven_ | I usually prefer harder, more adventurous ways :) |
| 14:15.56 | liable | jethro: never assume :) |
| 14:15.57 | Steven_ | but this will do |
| 14:15.59 | technos | I would kill for a nice plate of kibbeh ras or nayi and some araak to wash it down. |
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| 14:16.14 | Steven_ | I need a working system, not extra trouble right now |
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| 14:16.17 | liable | yes yes |
| 14:16.18 | donsmith | jethro: although the fakeroot debian/rules binary-utils wouldn't work, so I d/l'ed the ndiswrapper-utils package |
| 14:16.28 | jethro | ok |
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| 14:16.56 | jethro | donsmith: can you locate ndiswrapper.o or whatever it's called in 2.4 under /lib/modules? |
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| 14:16.57 | pert | Steven_: cool. the new installer is really good too |
| 14:17.02 | sapphire | hi, one question can I download official testing dvd images via jigdo now and update them via jigdo when Debian Sarge is released to have official Debian Sarge DVD images? Thank you for answering :) |
| 14:17.03 | IronRoses | hello |
| 14:17.11 | zignig | pert: and completely automatable. |
| 14:17.14 | pert | Steven_: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso might be what you need |
| 14:17.33 | asg | sapphire: you should be able to. |
| 14:17.35 | donsmith | jethro: I can, but its under its own folder 2.4.27.00125 |
| 14:17.44 | jethro | donsmith: that's why you can't insmod |
| 14:17.59 | pert | zignig: i've not tried that yet. but even without automation it only asks you a few well thought out questions :) |
| 14:18.00 | donsmith | jethro: *nods* thank you very much |
| 14:18.06 | technos | zignig: Ever have meat stuffed tomatoes? |
| 14:18.09 | donsmith | jethro: just move that to 2.4.27-386 right? |
| 14:18.19 | jethro | donsmith: move it with the other modules for your running kernel. |
| 14:18.22 | yaccobb | how can do I use --geometry parameter when wanna run app maximized ? I can't find that in man... :/ |
| 14:18.22 | sapphire | I want to do this since I would need at least 5 days to fetch the full i386 archive |
| 14:18.31 | zignig | technos: i've cooked them myself and capsicum , mmmm yummy |
| 14:18.45 | asg | yaccobb: app --geometry 1024x768 (or whatever your resolution is) |
| 14:18.48 | jethro | donsmith: /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 14:18.51 | zignig | pert: shameless plug http://interthingy.com/digby/ |
| 14:18.51 | sapphire | I'm refering to the images (jigdo files) on "http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/jigdo-area/i386/" |
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| 14:18.59 | Steven_ | pert: thx |
| 14:19.03 | Steven_ | I will have it in 10 minutes |
| 14:19.18 | asg | yaccobb: some apps also use -geometry instead |
| 14:19.32 | technos | That reminds me.. I need to find an iranian place too. |
| 14:19.32 | sapphire | asg: thanks alot, in bosnian: hvala puno! |
| 14:19.35 | IronRoses | what window managers do you guys use then? |
| 14:19.37 | yaccobb | asg: it is so simple ?! heh, thanks |
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| 14:19.46 | zignig | technos: where are you ? |
| 14:19.46 | zignig | ] |
| 14:19.53 | pert | IronRoses: ion |
| 14:19.54 | asg | yaccobb: your window manager may get in the way but in general, it is that simple. |
| 14:19.56 | technos | zignig: Seattle, WA, US. |
| 14:20.04 | IronRoses | pert: whats ion? |
| 14:20.09 | IronRoses | never heard of that |
| 14:20.14 | asg | IronRoses: a real window manager |
| 14:20.19 | jethro | donsmith: next time you build it the same way, you need to set a few variables before, so that you don't have such issues |
| 14:20.41 | zignig | technos: travel, eat yummy food listen to cool music ....... |
| 14:20.48 | DerSchotte | sapphire: yes, I jigdo'ed the 2 sarge DVDs, it works fine |
| 14:21.00 | technos | IronRoses: Blackbox. I can have some uniformity, I run it on Win32 as well. |
| 14:21.08 | leonel | when will security for sarge will be up because everytime I do an update there's no packages coming from security but from main repository ? |
| 14:21.12 | jethro | donsmith: also keep the same directory structure, as you move it to /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 14:21.22 | pert | IronRoses: http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/intro.html#screenshots |
| 14:21.22 | liable | leonel: /topic |
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| 14:21.25 | asg | leonel: it is up but the preference right now is to work on rc bugs, not security issues. |
| 14:21.35 | sapphire | DerShotte thanks for your answer, danke |
| 14:21.40 | donsmith | 'jethro: Yeah I did, but when I did insmod it caused a huge list of errors, although it found it now |
| 14:21.43 | leonel | asg, thanks |
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| 14:21.54 | jethro | donsmith: you need to run depmod -a also |
| 14:21.55 | leonel | liable, what about the topic ? |
| 14:22.02 | IronRoses | I'm, lol, using kde, but plan to go to iceWM tonight |
| 14:22.12 | liable | leonel: fucking read it eh? |
| 14:22.13 | donsmith | jethro: thank you again, I'm pretty new to kernel modules :) |
| 14:22.16 | zignig | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.18 | IronRoses | kde, is kinda slow going |
| 14:22.24 | jethro | donsmith: no problem |
| 14:22.24 | dan2 | asg: yo |
| 14:22.39 | sparr_x4 | wow, one of my wishlist bugs about menu hints was resolved already |
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| 14:22.46 | leonel | liable, done but ? I don't see the answer as asg perfectly pointed |
| 14:22.48 | asg | dan2: morning |
| 14:22.54 | IronRoses | but, the pit fall is kde supports so damn much, like kaffeine, i use that lots, xmms, is crap, used to crash non stopwith me |
| 14:22.56 | leonel | liable, thanks |
| 14:23.07 | donsmith | 'jethro: hmm, it reports unresolved symbols in the ndiswrapper.o file |
| 14:23.12 | IronRoses | meh |
| 14:23.13 | zignig | gnite all |
| 14:23.18 | asg | night |
| 14:23.20 | IronRoses | night dude |
| 14:23.23 | liable | leonel: | SARGE HAS FROZEN, security now up |
| 14:23.30 | zignig | ZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
| 14:23.34 | stupidkid | i dont have much programs running but how come top reported that i had 512208k used and only 3728k free? |
| 14:23.44 | IronRoses | time to install iceWM |
| 14:23.47 | stupidkid | memory |
| 14:23.50 | asg | liable: he ask why, given that security is up, he isn't seeing security fixes in updates. |
| 14:23.51 | fhffhqvb | !tell stupidkid about free memory |
| 14:23.54 | asg | s/ask/asked/ |
| 14:23.58 | leonel | liable, did you READ my question ? does that anwsers WHY there's no packates from security ? |
| 14:24.12 | stupidkid | ah |
| 14:24.17 | stupidkid | thanks fhffhqvb :) |
| 14:24.33 | asg | !sing sussudio |
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| 14:24.51 | leonel | liable, it's better to say I don't know than your fine answers |
| 14:25.33 | liable | yes of course |
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| 14:26.45 | websdale | Hi,My mouse cursor keeps stopping in mid-movement & only clicking will restart it - ideas? (a USB 5 button optical wireless) |
| 14:27.07 | DerSchotte | leonel: At a guess it's because there aren't any security updates yet for sarge, as packages are still being fixed before release |
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| 14:30.27 | sparr | i have to say thats the speediest ive seen a 'bug' fixed |
| 14:30.34 | robin_sz | OK, this *probably* isnt the right place .. but I'll ask anyway ... Samba ... debian sarge. install it, start it, visible on the notwork, but can;t log in .. to log in, I have to "change" the users password (actually to the same thing again) and then it works. clues? |
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| 14:31.01 | codester | how can i enable REGPARM in the kernel? |
| 14:31.12 | asg | robin_sz: unless it's using pam, it probably needed to sync with sambapasswd or somesuch. |
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| 14:31.12 | DerSchotte | robin_sz: smbpasswd ? |
| 14:31.15 | Zambba | I have problem with Xfree86, when I do "startx" it just says "Fatal error: no screens found" |
| 14:31.22 | llama32 | does anyone think a multitasking BASIC-oriented kernel would be at all useful or interesting? |
| 14:31.31 | robin_sz | asg? hmm ok, thanks |
| 14:31.35 | asg | !no screens found |
| 14:31.36 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 14:31.36 | jethro | Zambba: /msg dpkg no screens found |
| 14:31.39 | robin_sz | DerSchotte: OK, I'll have a look |
| 14:31.52 | caphuso | llama32: if you find a time machine to go back to the late 1970s |
| 14:32.04 | asg | llama32: or look at minix if you want something small |
| 14:32.15 | websdale | e REGPARM in the kernel? |
| 14:32.15 | websdale | [15:31:13] <asg> robin_sz: unless it's u |
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| 14:32.44 | llama32 | asg: nah, i just want something that uses BASIC :) |
| 14:32.52 | websdale | as you can see my mouse is nearly unusable & does stupid things like that |
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| 14:33.12 | asg | llama32: good luck, I'd rather stick a spoon in my ear than use BASIC. |
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| 14:33.44 | codester | websdale: umm dont know, is it in the configuration to compile kernel? |
| 14:34.12 | llama32 | asg: assuming you dont have some sort of obsession with spoons or your ear is very very odd, im guessing you dont think BASIC is any good? |
| 14:34.16 | Zambba | okay, I looked in XFree86.0.log and there is rows "(EE) s3(0): no valid modes found", "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration." |
| 14:34.35 | asg | llama32: in the mid 80's, I thought it was nifty. I've moved on a bit since then. |
| 14:34.42 | caphuso | asg: "a bit" :) |
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| 14:34.50 | liable | Zambba: rcxx |
| 14:34.57 | asg | caphuso: :) |
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| 14:35.11 | asg | Zambba: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (pick a supported resolution.) |
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| 14:35.22 | asg | Zambba: /msg dpkg set up x (for other ideas) |
| 14:35.29 | websdale | codester:I'm using a stock kernel - maybe its related to gpm - does anyone know of similar USB mouse issues |
| 14:35.33 | caphuso | urgh |
| 14:35.38 | llama32 | asg: so did i, but then i realised nobody else wanted to write everything in asm either |
| 14:35.41 | asg | caphuso: haven't done that since '92 when I took calculus. |
| 14:35.51 | asg | llama32: true |
| 14:36.35 | caphuso | asg: well, i was bored, and it was the only halfway decent programmable thing in reach |
| 14:36.57 | asg | caphuso: just like hacking perl on a zaurus |
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| 14:37.39 | caphuso | asg: not comparable, you can make proper use of gotos there :) |
| 14:38.40 | llama32 | i love how on anything but windows, you can have your desktop full of icons without the equivelant of "explorer.exe" using up all your swap and as much ram as possible |
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| 14:40.09 | shakparl | what's a good gui file manager |
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| 14:41.37 | asg | caphuso: hah |
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| 14:42.39 | El_Acoguero | hi, i wanna know if is there a way to proxy radius-cistron with the same realm, like if the user is not in local radius it proxy to another radius.... in cistron site i did not find it, sorry bad enligsh.... |
| 14:43.10 | asg | El_Acoguero: dunno about cistron but I'm sure freeradius can do it. |
| 14:43.21 | El_Acoguero | so |
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| 14:44.27 | liable | shakparl: a good one, is whatver you think is good |
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| 14:45.12 | Zambba | hey now I know why my X got broken |
| 14:45.16 | Zambba | I changed my hostname.. |
| 14:45.45 | El_Acoguero | [asg]: i´ve read that it could be done if the realm not the same, and i´ve 1 cistron and 1 radius, but i think that will be very dificult to transfer the users from a file to mysql db.... |
| 14:45.53 | Zambba | Is it possible |
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| 14:46.17 | Zambba | I changed computers hostname from "riikan" to "shell" and X says something like "shell:0 unauthorized" |
| 14:46.17 | El_Acoguero | my acctually radius server it´s a cistron..... and i wanna migrate to freeradius.... |
| 14:46.44 | MDC | where can i found good information of how certificate working? any good links? |
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| 14:47.03 | jethro | MDC: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 14:47.33 | asg | El_Acoguero: oh, I don't know then. I'm not familiar with cistron's implementation. |
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| 14:48.11 | El_Acoguero | [asg]: ok, thanks a lot, sorry bad english... |
| 14:48.16 | asg | El_Acoguero: some script-fu could be used to turn a text file of info into a set of SQL insert statements though |
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| 14:49.00 | El_Acoguero | [asg]: humm, i´ll search for it.... |
| 14:49.14 | fwest | is there a tool for generating iptables rule, not like a personal firewall etc |
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| 14:49.26 | asg | fwest: firehol |
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| 14:50.19 | fwest | asg, will that leave me a script that i can review |
| 14:50.45 | asg | fwest: well, you'll be able to dump the created ruleset with iptables-save. |
| 14:50.51 | fwest | thats perfect |
| 14:51.21 | fwest | can it load a iptables-save > file |
| 14:51.42 | asg | fwest: you can then do that with iptables-restore or just let firehol do its thing. The choice is yours. |
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| 14:52.27 | fwest | yep i just use vi at the moment, i've got so many setups that i need something to help maintain them now |
| 14:53.00 | asg | fwest: firehol should work for you then. |
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| 14:53.39 | liable | nite |
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| 14:54.23 | fwest | oh firehol is complaining about not having the kernel source |
| 14:54.24 | fwest | urg |
| 14:54.35 | fwest | oh time to compile a new kernel |
| 14:54.46 | asg | !depends firehol |
| 14:54.49 | dpkg | firehol: depends on iptables (>= 1.2.4), iproute, net-tools, bash (>= 2.04), bc |
| 14:54.56 | liable | fwest: just get headers |
| 14:55.11 | fwest | liable, its complaining about no .config |
| 14:55.18 | liable | fwest: just get headers |
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| 14:55.52 | fwest | im one of those people who is a pain and uses debian on production machines, and gentoo on his toy laptop |
| 14:55.56 | stupidkid | how do we chmod a file that normal user can read and write? |
| 14:56.13 | fwest | i think ill get ubuntu for my desktop, gentoo is effort to maintain |
| 14:56.17 | asg | !wikifaq stupidkid dotfiles |
| 14:56.18 | dpkg | stupidkid: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/dotfiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:56.29 | asg | bah |
| 14:56.34 | asg | !wikifaq stupidkid Permissions |
| 14:56.34 | dpkg | stupidkid: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:57.00 | stupidkid | thanks :D |
| 14:58.02 | tarzeau | !ubuntu |
| 14:58.02 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story" |
| 14:58.24 | stupidkid | ubuntu? the name is weird |
| 14:58.26 | stupidkid | haha |
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| 15:02.46 | joel_ | makabamba |
| 15:02.48 | joel_ | from africa |
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| 15:04.48 | asg | cheers |
| 15:04.51 | asg | from the couch |
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| 15:07.10 | IronRoses | back |
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| 15:07.14 | IronRoses | I'm using enlightment now |
| 15:07.18 | IronRoses | it's awsome looking |
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| 15:07.28 | asg | IronRoses: but drives like a station wagon |
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| 15:07.42 | IronRoses | asg, what do you mean? |
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| 15:08.03 | asg | IronRoses: it's a hog, not lean and zippy. |
| 15:08.12 | IronRoses | it's not slow here |
| 15:08.18 | chaps0063 | hello all. |
| 15:08.22 | asg | IronRoses: ymmv |
| 15:08.44 | IronRoses | ymmv? |
| 15:08.46 | asg | !ymmv |
| 15:08.46 | dpkg | well, ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
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| 15:17.48 | chaps0063 | can someone help me, I want to get debian working on my tablet pc |
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| 15:18.43 | asg | chaps0063: what type of system is it? |
| 15:18.53 | chaps0063 | Fujitsu TabletPC T4010 |
| 15:20.37 | asg | chaps0063: well, I'd start with http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian+on+a+fujitsu+tabletpc+t4010&btnG=Google+Search (and see if there are resources that help there.) |
| 15:20.38 | peritus | how can i look if a package is in main, contrib or non-free etc on a debian box? (not look on packages.debian.org) |
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| 15:20.46 | asg | chaps0063: also, don't forget the install guide (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 15:20.54 | asg | peritus: apt-cache policy foo |
| 15:21.18 | peritus | asg: thanks |
| 15:21.21 | asg | peritus: also, apt-cache show foo |
| 15:21.36 | SR-71A | Building IRC server, have 80GB HDD... read in a few places that creating multiple partitions is wise for security. Installing Sarge. Have partitions as: Boot, /, swap, /tmp, /var, /usr and /home and using ext3 filesystem. First: should partitions follow a certain 'order' on the drive? and Second: when in the partitioning process do I configure the LVM? Which partitions should I put as primary (other than boot) and on logical? |
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| 15:22.11 | dimitri | hey there is something I don't quite get, if any of my webuser decide to do a ln -s /etc index.html, sundenly all my etc is on the web !!!! |
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| 15:22.48 | asg | SR-71A: 1) the order conventionally is /boot, /, swap, (the rest). 2) no need to use lvm unless you want to and understand it. 3) /boot should be primary, the rest can be logical |
| 15:23.03 | SR-71A | thanks... appreciate it |
| 15:23.08 | dimitri | what do I not get ? |
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| 15:23.35 | WhiteRabbit | dimitri, just think bout that /etc/passwd heh |
| 15:24.21 | dimitri | WhiteRabbit: I know ! so what should I do there ? I mean why when installing debian everything is not by default _rwx_r_x___ |
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| 15:25.17 | asg | dimitri: you could make /etc/ immutable using chattr (though you would have to remove the immutable bit anytime you want to update, upgrade, or edit /etc.) |
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| 15:25.29 | WhiteRabbit | dimitri, until you get it fixed my first move would to be to take it off the web asap |
| 15:25.34 | asg | dimitri: also, having a policy saying if you abuse the system, you get the finger is a good start. |
| 15:25.36 | michael | hi |
| 15:26.06 | dimitri | asg: what about chmod o= /etc/* |
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| 15:26.10 | chaps0063 | how can I install drivers for my network on my tablet? |
| 15:26.20 | dimitri | asg: would that cause problem ? |
| 15:26.24 | asg | dimitri: there are a lot of files in /etc/ that users need (at least from a shell perspective.) |
| 15:26.42 | dimitri | hum |
| 15:26.43 | paulswm | dimitri: That would casue huge problems. |
| 15:26.50 | dimitri | paulswm: yes |
| 15:27.01 | dimitri | what can I do then! |
| 15:27.06 | asg | dimitri: another option is to write a wrapper around ln(1) and other tools to prevent that for certain uids. |
| 15:27.14 | bohan` | hi, if i pass a directory to dpkg --install, will it take the interdependencies of the packages into account in order to install them in the right order? |
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| 15:27.21 | asg | dimitri: or just remove their permission to use ln(1) |
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| 15:27.24 | tarzeau | http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/ uh oh |
| 15:27.31 | tarzeau | will ffmpeg stay in sarge? |
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| 15:28.08 | Gurim | I have problems with my ESS Maestro3 sound chip ... alsaconf detected it properly, but it still is silent. This is on debian sid on a dell latitude notebook. anyone care to give a helping hand? |
| 15:28.09 | asg | dimitri: also, apache can be configured not to follow symlinks |
| 15:28.25 | dimitri | asg: yes I was thinking about doing this, but still what would prevent an user to include /etc/in a php scripts for ex ? |
| 15:28.41 | asg | dimitri: you can instruct php.ini to block that too. |
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| 15:28.54 | asg | Gurim: alsamixer (unmute the volume) |
| 15:28.58 | dimitri | ok |
| 15:29.21 | giupy | hi all |
| 15:29.46 | asg | dimitri: finally, if this is not an ad-hoc hosting setup, chroots + grsecurity patches might be a good way to go. |
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| 15:31.21 | Gurim | asg, this does not seem to solve my problem unfortunately ... it just says "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)" |
| 15:31.30 | asg | Gurim: as root or as your user? |
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| 15:31.54 | Gurim | asg: as user |
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| 15:31.58 | asg | Gurim: if the latter, adduser <user> audio ; logout and login again |
| 15:32.20 | Gurim | asg, i |
| 15:32.24 | Gurim | ll try. brb |
| 15:32.30 | giupy | i have crated an audio cd from mp3 with k3b and used the defaults params, but it is not readble by my stereo, only by my pcs, i have noticed opening the cdrom with xmms, that the first track is Unknown / Audio CD and the second track is named: C Audio Track 1, what has k3b wrong ? |
| 15:33.09 | asg | giupy: #debian-kde might know. Did you also fixate the disc? |
| 15:33.30 | giupy | asg, fixate? |
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| 15:34.25 | giupy | k3b use these as defaults, "onthefly" and "burnfree" |
| 15:34.34 | asg | giupy: man cdrecord ; /fixate |
| 15:34.36 | giupy | however i go in that channel |
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| 15:34.42 | giupy | asg, ok |
| 15:34.43 | jetscreamer | hey. i have a vps account that runs redhat enterprise 3.0. would there be any performance loss if i installed debian in a chroot? |
| 15:34.46 | asg | giupy: /j #debian-kde |
| 15:34.53 | asg | jetscreamer: no |
| 15:34.57 | giupy | yes thanks :) |
| 15:34.58 | jetscreamer | cool |
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| 15:35.08 | asg | jetscreamer: other than any programs you run taking resources. |
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| 15:35.45 | jetscreamer | you mean in rh before i would chroot |
| 15:35.47 | jetscreamer | k |
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| 15:36.04 | jetscreamer | all i do is run seti so far |
| 15:36.08 | asg | jetscreamer: no, anything you run in the chroot will take up resources as if you ran them outside but there will be no extra overhead. |
| 15:36.14 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 15:36.26 | jetscreamer | business as usual |
| 15:36.32 | edgar | anyone know how to reboot a machine that has switched itself to read only mode? |
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| 15:36.44 | bbrazil | edgar: read only mode? |
| 15:36.44 | jetscreamer | ctrl alt del? |
| 15:36.46 | asg | edgar: remount it rw |
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| 15:37.02 | bug_code | Hi everybody |
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| 15:37.29 | bug_code | somebody can help me with module installation? |
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| 15:37.39 | jetscreamer | bug_code: apt-get install modconf |
| 15:37.48 | asg | bug_code: modprobe foo |
| 15:37.48 | jetscreamer | unless you meant 'compile' |
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| 15:37.58 | edgar | It's having issues with raid controller.. have an ssh session open to it... How can I remount it? |
| 15:38.14 | asg | edgar: mount -o remount,rw /filesystem |
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| 15:38.27 | bug_code | my problem is simple |
| 15:38.37 | bug_code | I need isntall usb modules to active usb mouse |
| 15:38.53 | bug_code | but whe I enter insmod don't find the file |
| 15:38.58 | jetscreamer | modprobe usbmouse && edit /etc/modules and add it, or just use modconf |
| 15:39.00 | IronRoses | does anyone have nlightment? |
| 15:39.03 | bug_code | to input, usbcore, etc |
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| 15:39.05 | jetscreamer | insmod no |
| 15:39.05 | IronRoses | enlightment? |
| 15:39.06 | asg | bug_code: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 15:39.09 | jetscreamer | modprobe |
| 15:39.09 | edgar | asg: can't create lock file /etc/mtab~16761: Read-only file system |
| 15:39.23 | jetscreamer | !e |
| 15:39.23 | dpkg | i heard e is from memory, e is a silly bulky, overdone wm, or still the best looking window manager around. and smaller than windowmaker in memory, or of course, smaller than windowmaker isn't saying much. see sawfish. see MDMA, or 2.7182818284590452353602874713526625, or kicks ass, or a very versatile window manager, or *utter* shite |
| 15:39.40 | jetscreamer | opinios vary |
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| 15:39.43 | jetscreamer | n |
| 15:39.54 | tarzeau | !candy |
| 15:39.55 | dpkg | [candy] a seven years drawn girl who has the emotional capabilities of a 16 years old she-fish and the social skills of a wall |
| 15:39.56 | bug_code | mod conf is more easiear? |
| 15:40.01 | rhalff | what install iso can I best use to do a net install ? |
| 15:40.04 | bug_code | how I use modconf |
| 15:40.05 | tarzeau | dpkg candy is also ttp://ic1.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/325/3/0/Pinata_by_Nocturnal_Devil.jpg |
| 15:40.05 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 15:40.15 | tarzeau | bug_code: type "modconf" |
| 15:40.28 | jetscreamer | bug_code: they're both 'easy', but modconf will do it all for you |
| 15:40.39 | bug_code | hhmm.. |
| 15:40.45 | bug_code | and after type it |
| 15:40.46 | bug_code | ? |
| 15:40.48 | jetscreamer | just run it, and look for your module |
| 15:41.01 | jetscreamer | then hit enter when it's highlighted |
| 15:41.21 | jetscreamer | it's kinda fugly but functional |
| 15:41.24 | chaps0063 | how can I get drivers for my network card? |
| 15:41.26 | bug_code | ubt this command only list the modules in system , don't? |
| 15:41.28 | bbrazil | dpkg: candy ~= s/ ttp/ http/ |
| 15:41.46 | jetscreamer | you didn't escape the spaces |
| 15:41.49 | rhalff | there are only net install images that might be comprimised, but guess not maybe ? |
| 15:42.04 | jetscreamer | dpkg: candy ~= s/\ ttp/\ http/ |
| 15:42.23 | jetscreamer | not that i know how |
| 15:43.07 | bbrazil | ah , =~ |
| 15:43.07 | chaps0063 | anyone? |
| 15:43.23 | Phated | dpkg: candy =~ s/ttp/http/ |
| 15:43.23 | dpkg | Phated: OK |
| 15:43.30 | jetscreamer | chaps0063: modconf |
| 15:43.35 | sean_micken | chaps0063: what network card is it? |
| 15:43.39 | bbrazil | Phated: I already fixed that in /msg ;) |
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| 15:43.55 | jetscreamer | !candy |
| 15:43.55 | dpkg | it has been said that candy is a seven years drawn girl who has the emotional capabilities of a 16 years old she-fish and the social skills of a wall, or hhttp://ic1.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/325/3/0/Pinata_by_Nocturnal_Devil.jpg |
| 15:44.01 | Phated | dpkg: candy =~ s/http/ttp/ |
| 15:44.01 | jetscreamer | hhhhh |
| 15:44.01 | dpkg | OK, Phated |
| 15:44.06 | mutante | chaps0063: they are called "modules" in linux,thats why you use "modconf" |
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| 15:44.37 | chaps0063 | mutante: thanks. |
| 15:45.50 | DerSchotte | Hi, I'm getting "uhci.o: unresolved symbol _mmx_memcpy" on modprobe, it's a self compiled kernel for k7, and also did make modules && make modules_install. Any ideas ? |
| 15:45.50 | jetscreamer | chaps0063: lspci , find the chipset for the nic, go to http://scyld.com/network.html, or google, find what module your chipset uses, then use modconf, or modprobe <module> then edit /etc/modules and add the module name |
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| 15:45.59 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 15:45.59 | dpkg | methinks kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 15:46.38 | rhalff | !netinstall |
| 15:46.38 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
| 15:46.43 | jetscreamer | and try make-kpkg --targets |
| 15:46.51 | jharrison | tarzeau: ping |
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| 15:48.13 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 15:48.26 | tarzeau | jharrison: pong |
| 15:48.27 | asg | wenas |
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| 15:48.58 | jharrison | tarzeau: probably going spearfishing today |
| 15:49.03 | jharrison | tarzeau: I will get you a fishy |
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| 15:49.55 | ribnitz | anyone knows a program that would allow me to transfer a few files (about 40G) from one computer to another, to restore later. idea would be to not touch uid/gid (as the two don't share the same groups)..? |
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| 15:50.13 | jharrison | ribnitz: backuppc? |
| 15:50.17 | asg | ribnitz: rsync over ssh |
| 15:50.18 | tarzeau | ribnitz: tar/ssh |
| 15:50.25 | tarzeau | ribnitz: www.linuks.mine.nu/ssh/ |
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| 15:50.54 | tarzeau | ribnitz: or nfs plus cp -p |
| 15:50.57 | jharrison | tarzeau: I will tell you how tasty the fish is |
| 15:51.01 | herregud_ | anyone know of a OSS app that will let me edit the length of mp3 files? |
| 15:51.14 | jharrison | herregud_: the length? |
| 15:51.25 | tarzeau | jharrison: okay |
| 15:51.34 | asg | herregud_: mp3split |
| 15:51.43 | tarzeau | herregud_: why must it be OSS? |
| 15:51.45 | tarzeau | !OSS |
| 15:51.45 | dpkg | well, oss is a catchphrase for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very non-free and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the Halloween document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels. (See ALSA for 2.6 info).. OldSchoolSound |
| 15:51.54 | asg | herregud_: and mpgtx also, depending on what you mean |
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| 15:52.02 | ribnitz | jharrison: its just a few directories. |
| 15:52.07 | tarzeau | herregud_: you want Free Software |
| 15:52.11 | tarzeau | herregud_: not open source shit |
| 15:52.17 | herregud_ | jharrison: I have used streamripper to get some music. the MP3s is created have some overlap I want to remove |
| 15:52.20 | jharrison | ribnitz: yeah I just thought you meant a backup type solution |
| 15:52.41 | herregud_ | tarzeau: doesnt have to be OSS.. i would just prefer it |
| 15:52.44 | jharrison | herregud_: oh yeah well what asg said |
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| 15:52.58 | jharrison | heh |
| 15:53.01 | jharrison | open source shit |
| 15:53.03 | jharrison | thats funny |
| 15:53.09 | ribnitz | jharrison: I use dirvish, which rsync-based, but to convert the disk to lvm(2), I first need to backup the data |
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| 15:53.25 | ribnitz | asg: got an example? |
| 15:53.31 | ribnitz | asg: or some pointer? |
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| 15:54.05 | herregud_ | asg: thanks |
| 15:54.07 | stouse1 | Hey, we have a release date :-) |
| 15:54.11 | stouse1 | When did this happen? |
| 15:54.21 | jharrison | mmmmmmmmmm mcvitties chocolate wheat biscuits |
| 15:54.42 | stouset | When did the release date get announced? |
| 15:54.44 | tarzeau | stouset: yesterday came a new minor update to relases plan |
| 15:54.50 | tarzeau | stouset: a month ago |
| 15:55.14 | asg | ribnitz: man rsync ; /preserved (hit tab a few times for the examples) |
| 15:55.19 | jharrison | mmmmmm chocolate |
| 15:55.28 | ribnitz | asg: thanks |
| 15:55.28 | stouset | Well, a month ago May 31 was the target. I saw it was changed. |
| 15:55.38 | asg | ribnitz: anytime |
| 15:56.10 | asg | jharrison: don't forget to take a webcam and sat-phone so we can see you spear some fish. |
| 15:56.17 | tarzeau | jharrison: we've had some bubbling fun ;) |
| 15:56.23 | jharrison | asg: well I got to take something as the boat has no freaking radio |
| 15:56.26 | jharrison | :) |
| 15:56.29 | asg | heh |
| 15:56.30 | jharrison | tarzeau: now? |
| 15:56.36 | jharrison | asg: we have cell phones though |
| 15:56.37 | tarzeau | jharrison: some hours ago |
| 15:56.41 | jharrison | asg: I have no camera |
| 15:56.49 | asg | ah well |
| 15:56.50 | jharrison | I will see if others have camera |
| 15:57.01 | jharrison | or maybe I can borrow my parents camera |
| 15:57.09 | jharrison | I dont know if they will let me take it on the ocean though |
| 15:57.15 | jharrison | tarzeau: :( |
| 15:57.19 | jharrison | tarzeau: I was sleeping |
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| 15:57.42 | nik_gr | hi |
| 15:57.58 | phanter | hello. I just installed sphinx and festival. But how d i get speech recognition to work now? |
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| 15:59.24 | asg | phanter: have you perused /usr/share/doc/{sphinx,festival} yet? |
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| 16:01.19 | tarzeau | jharrison: do you have dangerous spiders or other animals in your region? |
| 16:01.25 | tarzeau | bob2: what about spiders where you live? |
| 16:01.36 | asg | tarzeau: plenty of nasties in .au |
| 16:01.50 | tarzeau | asg: i've heard of scorpions |
| 16:02.06 | jharrison | tarzeau: not on land |
| 16:02.11 | jharrison | tarzeau: we just have sharks |
| 16:02.11 | asg | tarzeau: we have black widows and brown recluses in these parts. They are pretty nasty. |
| 16:02.23 | tarzeau | asg: deadly? |
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| 16:02.36 | jharrison | tarzeau: but if you dont go in the water and no humans attack you you can live in relative peace and harmony |
| 16:02.38 | asg | tarzeau: only for the old and infirm but will make you sick for a few days |
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| 16:02.50 | asg | tarzeau: .au and .br have the really nasty stuff though. |
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| 16:03.21 | asg | tarzeau: I will not travel to .au on principle since most things there appear to be out to get you. |
| 16:03.31 | tarzeau | we've got snakes in .tr |
| 16:03.34 | jharrison | asg: yes I wont ever go to .au |
| 16:03.47 | jharrison | tarzeau: we have snakes here but all are non-posionous |
| 16:03.47 | phanter | it seems that festival is more or less used for text-to-speech but I need speech-to-text (or comman) |
| 16:03.48 | phanter | d |
| 16:03.53 | tarzeau | i find the kangoroos cute and the koalas |
| 16:03.55 | asg | jharrison: I'd rather like to go but the fauna scares the willies out of me. |
| 16:04.07 | jharrison | asg: fauna? |
| 16:04.11 | tarzeau | asg: you mean the large and big ozone hole? |
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| 16:04.15 | asg | jharrison: animals and stuff |
| 16:04.25 | jharrison | asg: I dont like those funnel web spiders |
| 16:04.27 | asg | jharrison: flora == plants and stuff |
| 16:04.29 | tarzeau | what about flora? |
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| 16:04.32 | asg | jharrison: yeah, nasty buggers |
| 16:04.34 | jharrison | asg: they can get their fangs through a boot |
| 16:04.38 | bob2 | tarzeau: redbacks make you sick and can kill old people and children. funnel webs like to visit houses and will kill you if not treated |
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| 16:04.41 | jharrison | asg: and they are deadly and they attack you |
| 16:04.42 | tarzeau | are there deadly berries and hurting plants? |
| 16:04.43 | shingouz | spiders? i hate spiders |
| 16:04.54 | elad2 | hello, why it's not work on xorg? |
| 16:04.54 | elad2 | Option "XkbLayout" "us,il" |
| 16:04.55 | elad2 | Option "XkbOptions" "grp:shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll" |
| 16:04.56 | bob2 | tarzeau: white tails hurt a lot, but some of them give you some flesh eating disease |
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| 16:05.04 | jharrison | yeah those damn funnel webs |
| 16:05.06 | bob2 | elad2: #freedesktop |
| 16:05.12 | cplx | what would be the target for a linksys WRT54GS in MRTG? I want to graph its WLAN Interface its currently: Target[router]: 3:public@192.168.1.253 |
| 16:05.16 | jharrison | they go LOOKING for people to bite |
| 16:05.16 | elad2 | thanks |
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| 16:05.22 | bob2 | tarzeau: some poisonous berries, too |
| 16:05.30 | Kerr | hmm? |
| 16:05.33 | asg | cplx: try using snmpwalk to isolate what you wish to graph |
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| 16:05.38 | jharrison | everywhere in .au is deadly stuff |
| 16:05.51 | tarzeau | jharrison: but look at bob2 he's still alive |
| 16:05.51 | jharrison | on land and in sea |
| 16:05.56 | jharrison | yes thats true |
| 16:05.57 | tarzeau | jharrison: thanks he's only on irc and never gets out |
| 16:05.59 | jharrison | but he is a native |
| 16:06.01 | cplx | asg: how do I use snmpwalk - snmpwalk 192.168.1.253 ? |
| 16:06.06 | asg | cplx: read the manpage |
| 16:06.12 | cplx | ..k |
| 16:06.16 | tarzeau | jharrison: #debian keeps him alive |
| 16:06.19 | bob2 | tarzeau: I hide from them |
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| 16:06.29 | tarzeau | bob2: but you are so much larger than them! |
| 16:06.30 | bob2 | tarzeau: redbacks don't even fucking die when they're dripping with fly spray |
| 16:06.48 | tarzeau | http://images.google.ch/images?hl=de&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=redback&btnG=Suche |
| 16:06.49 | bob2 | you have to squish them or hit them with like bleach |
| 16:07.01 | tarzeau | yeah i'm just watching some documentaring film about those redbacks |
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| 16:07.20 | jharrison | bob2: you are aboringi |
| 16:07.25 | jharrison | bob2: not sure of the spelling |
| 16:07.39 | bob2 | jharrison: "aboriginal", no. |
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| 16:07.54 | jharrison | bob2: is that how you spell the name for the people though? |
| 16:08.07 | jharrison | we have things called sand flies |
| 16:08.17 | asg | jharrison: flies or fleas? |
| 16:08.25 | jharrison | they are so small like specks of sand and they get in your nose and mouth and they bite hard |
| 16:08.30 | jharrison | flies |
| 16:08.30 | tarzeau | mosquitos? cobras? |
| 16:08.39 | jharrison | they dont suck blood |
| 16:08.40 | asg | jharrison: same thing here but they are called fleas |
| 16:08.42 | jharrison | they just like to bite you |
| 16:08.43 | bob2 | jharrison: "aborigines", but more commonly "indigenous australians" |
| 16:08.49 | jharrison | asg: these fly though |
| 16:08.54 | asg | jharrison: ah, okay |
| 16:09.04 | bob2 | tarzeau: do you have mosquitos in switzerland? |
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| 16:09.09 | tarzeau | bob2: nah |
| 16:09.09 | jharrison | and they love the bug repelant |
| 16:09.17 | tarzeau | bob2: we really have nothing dangerous here |
| 16:09.28 | jharrison | we have mosquitos the size of house flies here |
| 16:09.32 | jharrison | those nasty bastards |
| 16:09.35 | tarzeau | jharrison: *shudder* |
| 16:09.38 | giupy | asg, i have seen the k3b log, and cdrecord doesn't use -unfix params |
| 16:09.40 | bob2 | tarzeau: aside from the madducks |
| 16:09.49 | asg | giupy: unfix or fixate? |
| 16:09.56 | tarzeau | we've got dogs, cats, sheep and cows |
| 16:10.07 | tarzeau | and birds |
| 16:10.07 | giupy | asg, nothing about fix or fixate |
| 16:10.08 | asg | tarzeau: cows on the move can be dangerous though |
| 16:10.14 | tarzeau | asg: not so ours |
| 16:10.18 | giupy | unfix or fixate |
| 16:10.18 | asg | giupy: I don't know then, I'm sorry. |
| 16:10.19 | tarzeau | asg: this is not spain |
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| 16:10.28 | giupy | k thanks asg |
| 16:10.30 | tarzeau | oh and we've got horses too |
| 16:10.34 | jharrison | ok I go shopping for fishing trip |
| 16:10.35 | jharrison | bbl |
| 16:10.39 | tarzeau | and ducks, swans |
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| 16:10.55 | _cow | tarzeau, chicken too? |
| 16:11.17 | tarzeau | _cow: yeah |
| 16:11.29 | giupy | can it be the writing mode that k3b sets to auto, but i can choose with DAO,TAO and RAW ? |
| 16:11.30 | bob2 | bittornado doesn't close connections properly or something |
| 16:11.37 | bob2 | if I leave it running for a while, it fills the NAT table |
| 16:11.49 | tarzeau | DANGEROUS -> http://www.troglodytes.de/photography/insects/tiger_spider_b.jpg |
| 16:11.58 | asg | bob2: DOSing yourself? |
| 16:12.03 | bob2 | asg: hah |
| 16:12.17 | bob2 | asg: I can't even ssh to the router to up the ip_conntrack limit |
| 16:12.20 | bob2 | silly thing |
| 16:12.24 | asg | bob2: ouch |
| 16:12.36 | tarzeau | jharrison, bob2 you've got these too? http://www.kombuchagetraenk.de/kraeutersammeln/brennessel.jpg |
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| 16:13.16 | asg | tarzeau: we do have fire ants which are bloody nasty and tough to kill |
| 16:13.36 | tarzeau | asg: we have fire ants too, but all ants here are very small, like 1-3mm max! |
| 16:13.37 | jetscreamer | amdro |
| 16:13.41 | bob2 | yeah, we've got them now :( |
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| 16:13.50 | jetscreamer | get some amdro |
| 16:14.00 | asg | tarzeau: these are small but many here have allergies; my wife was bitten by one and almost quit breathing. |
| 16:14.02 | ribnitz | asg: doing it with rsync, thanks. althought that looks mem intensive. SO far it grabben 75mb of 256 mb available.. |
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| 16:14.28 | tarzeau | well we have bees and wasps |
| 16:14.32 | asg | ribnitz: LSorensen indicated that it was less intensive than tar |
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| 16:14.41 | tarzeau | and frogs (but not dangerous) |
| 16:14.46 | bob2 | and european wasps |
| 16:14.55 | tarzeau | bob2: are small and cute |
| 16:14.57 | asg | african killer bees |
| 16:15.02 | bob2 | tarzeau: and dangerous |
| 16:15.10 | tarzeau | bob2: ours? not really |
| 16:15.21 | ribnitz | asg: how long do you think it will take to shuffle the 40G over? |
| 16:15.31 | tarzeau | ribnitz: 15 minutes |
| 16:15.52 | ribnitz | tarzeau: 100 mbit network |
| 16:15.55 | asg | ribnitz: it depends. you can do a 'du -hs' on the other side to see how much has been transfered and extrapolate. |
| 16:16.16 | tarzeau | or use iptraf |
| 16:16.37 | tarzeau | bob2: what about dangerous water animals? |
| 16:16.49 | ribnitz | asg: nothing so far. |
| 16:17.09 | asg | ribnitz: it should have transfered something by now |
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| 16:17.25 | EvanCarroll | !exchange 100 USD to EUR |
| 16:17.28 | dpkg | 100.00 United States Dollar (USD) makes 79.5765 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/) |
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| 16:17.48 | ribnitz | asg: building file list? |
| 16:17.50 | bob2 | tarzeau: stonefish (poison spines), sharks, water snakes, coral |
| 16:18.04 | asg | ribnitz: oh, okay, you must have a lot of files |
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| 16:18.20 | bob2 | tho sharks kill maybe a few people a year |
| 16:18.27 | bob2 | compared to the thousands we kill each year |
| 16:18.34 | asg | bob2: tit for tat |
| 16:18.38 | bob2 | hah |
| 16:18.46 | bob2 | oh, and jellyfish |
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| 16:18.57 | ribnitz | asg: as I said, 22 GB backup, 35gb "scratch", and 5GB around currenlty running system. |
| 16:19.00 | asg | bob2: though, to be sure, humans are the most dangerous things anywhere |
| 16:19.01 | bob2 | box jellyfish like to hang out in the northern beaches, and they have some crazy neurotoxin thing |
| 16:19.04 | TwistedEmotions | jesus bob2 why are you still awake? |
| 16:19.20 | bob2 | tarzeau: just got back from a party, and now I'm waiting for my dinner |
| 16:19.30 | tarzeau | bob2: stonefish? dangerous? http://www.monstertonerecords.com/stonefish/jeans.jpg |
| 16:19.43 | ribnitz | asg: plus one of the hosts is stone old (P2-450) |
| 16:19.57 | tarzeau | bob2: are the spikes inside? |
| 16:20.01 | bob2 | tarzeau: our ones have more spines and less nudity |
| 16:20.57 | bob2 | asg: hah, indeed |
| 16:21.13 | ribnitz | bob2: this thing that youi are dead before you realise you have been bitten? |
| 16:21.31 | bob2 | hah |
| 16:22.09 | bob2 | tarzeau: bluebottles (basically a type of jelly fish) hang out at most of our beaches and sting (= hurts for a few days) ... tens of thousands of people a year |
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| 16:22.52 | TwistedEmotions | There anyway to get Thunderbird to pickup admin mail... |
| 16:23.00 | TwistedEmotions | like the mutt or mail command? |
| 16:23.07 | bob2 | "admin mail"? |
| 16:23.22 | bob2 | you mean "read /var/mail/root, which may contain private info, and is owned by root"? |
| 16:23.27 | TwistedEmotions | yeah yeah |
| 16:23.30 | TwistedEmotions | that |
| 16:23.32 | TwistedEmotions | ;) |
| 16:23.49 | bob2 | bash-3.00$ grep rob /etc/aliases |
| 16:23.50 | bob2 | root: rob |
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| 16:24.00 | bob2 | just get root's mail to come to you |
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| 16:24.08 | RichiH | bob2: can you poke your logfiles what my last part message was? |
| 16:24.19 | tarzeau | chile seems to have nasty animals |
| 16:24.21 | RichiH | bob2: yesterday about three hours earlier |
| 16:24.50 | TwistedEmotions | thanks |
| 16:25.01 | jethro | !tell giupy -about away |
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| 16:25.25 | jethro | RichiH: I have been doing the same on different networks, freenode included |
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| 16:25.55 | RichiH | jethro: heh, that does not make me more confident ;) |
| 16:26.03 | RichiH | anyway, #irssi wants to know my last part message |
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| 16:26.54 | jethro | RichiH: can't tell you that, I don't log and it's no longer in the buffer |
| 16:26.56 | bob2 | /home/rob/irclogs/2005/OPN/#debian.05-25.log:02:02:55 ---| <<-- RichiH [richih@richih.staff.freenode] has quit (Connection reset by peer) |
| 16:27.01 | asg | RichiH: I know sussudio logs #debian for his stats, I'd ask him |
| 16:27.07 | ribnitz | Does my system suck if it spends 85% of the time waiting for I/O? |
| 16:27.16 | tarzeau | ribnitz: yes |
| 16:27.19 | bob2 | ribnitz: suck is relative |
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| 16:27.30 | bob2 | ribnitz: if you're just randomly seeking your disk, that's not too bad |
| 16:27.34 | tarzeau | ribnitz: ps -auxwww |grep D ? |
| 16:27.50 | bob2 | e.g. rsync will hammer it |
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| 16:28.56 | ribnitz | three guys, one of them D+. |
| 16:29.14 | tarzeau | ribnitz: run wmhdplop |
| 16:29.34 | dimitri | what means the s in drwxrwsr_x ? |
| 16:29.35 | bob2 | dammit |
| 16:30.00 | bob2 | something keeps fucking corrupting my gpg keyring |
| 16:30.00 | asg | dimitri: setgid |
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| 16:30.11 | asg | !wikifaq dimitri Permissions |
| 16:30.13 | dpkg | dimitri: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:30.16 | ribnitz | dimitri: set uid/gid |
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| 16:30.36 | LucianSolaris | hello |
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| 16:30.43 | dimitri | asg: does it mean I need to set it ? |
| 16:30.56 | ribnitz | tarzeau: 0 % idle. the thing is finally doing something.. |
| 16:31.01 | asg | dimitri: in what context are you seeing it? |
| 16:31.26 | LucianSolaris | tell me, has anyone in this room been successful in getting 3D acceleration in Sarge with an ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 IGP (inside a laptop) |
| 16:31.37 | tarzeau | !anyone |
| 16:31.37 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 16:31.37 | dimitri | asg: ls -l /home |
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| 16:32.01 | tarzeau | 18:31 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from LucianSolaris: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
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| 16:32.16 | ribnitz | ok. feeding time. back later. thanks guys. |
| 16:32.31 | asg | dimitri: that just means that any file or directory created in the +s'd dir will automatically inherit the group of the parent directory, not the group of the user creating files or directories. |
| 16:32.46 | LucianSolaris | all: tell me, has anyone in this room been successful in getting 3D acceleration in Sarge with an ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 IGP (inside a laptop) |
| 16:32.56 | bob2 | LucianSolaris: no need to repeat |
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| 16:33.02 | jethro | !tell LucianSolaris -about repeat |
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| 16:33.12 | asg | LucianSolaris: no, I use my laptop for working, not gaming (well besides nethack of course) |
| 16:33.20 | dimitri | asg: thanks |
| 16:33.49 | asg | dimitri: you're welcome |
| 16:34.00 | asg | bob2: can I /msg you? |
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| 16:34.45 | LucianSolaris | asg: so you could NOT get 3D to work period, or did you just not try? |
| 16:34.52 | bob2 | asg: of course |
| 16:34.53 | tarzeau | bob2, jharrison we've got of these: http://www.meyers-naturfoto.de/bilder/Saeuger_europa27.jpg |
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| 16:34.57 | bob2 | LucianSolaris: it will work with firegl |
| 16:35.05 | asg | LucianSolaris: personally, I didn't try due to the fact that the mobility isn't supported by the nvidia drivers. |
| 16:35.10 | ac3 | hi |
| 16:35.10 | ribnitz | LucianSolaris: Nethack does not noticeably gain from fast 3D graphics. |
| 16:35.26 | bob2 | tarzeau: wtf is that? |
| 16:35.59 | LucianSolaris | bob2: what is firegl? |
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| 16:36.11 | tarzeau | bob2: squirrel |
| 16:36.37 | ac3 | Seems that the debian package courier-maildrop does not have ldap support. Should i compile it, or are there other ways? |
| 16:36.37 | ribnitz | LucianSolaris: A gfx card with optimized opengl performance |
| 16:36.44 | xst | When I run tcpdump it says "740 packets received by filter, 623 packets dropped by kernel". Why is so many packets dropped by the kernel? |
| 16:36.47 | ac3 | i want to use it with postfix |
| 16:36.52 | asg | tarzeau: seems harmless, that's for sure :) |
| 16:37.01 | LucianSolaris | ribnitz: and the ATI Mobility 9000 IGP is compatible with this? |
| 16:37.03 | bob2 | xst: did you look at your iptables rules? |
| 16:37.08 | tarzeau | asg: yeah, they're too scared of humans |
| 16:37.11 | bob2 | ribnitz: firegl is the name of the drivers |
| 16:37.12 | ribnitz | LucianSolaris: part of it. |
| 16:37.25 | tarzeau | asg: but you can feed ducks, and pet sheep |
| 16:37.38 | ribnitz | LucianSolaris: oh, sorry then. I am a witch. |
| 16:37.51 | asg | tarzeau: apparently, they just stopped allowing petting zoos here since kids were getting all kinds of diseases :) |
| 16:38.10 | tarzeau | asg: you really got dangerous animals |
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| 16:38.17 | tarzeau | asg: can you at least eat some of them? |
| 16:38.22 | asg | tarzeau: no, just grubby ones apparently |
| 16:38.25 | LucianSolaris | all: b/c when I last tried to get it to work under Sarge, I had to do some funky shit w/ the config files to make it use the ATI OpenGL stuff instead of Mesa, neway, it ended like this: worked, except the entire system (except mouse) locked up when an OpenGL app displayed something 3D |
| 16:38.26 | asg | bob2: thanks |
| 16:38.30 | ivalladt | any way to make nautilus use passive ftp for connecting to a server? |
| 16:38.30 | bob2 | asg: np |
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| 16:38.32 | xst | bob2: Neither iptables og ipchains are used |
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| 16:38.42 | bob2 | xst: how sure are you? |
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| 16:38.47 | bob2 | LucianSolaris: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&q=ati+debian+fglrx+install&spell=1 |
| 16:38.53 | xst | bob2: 101% |
| 16:38.59 | LucianSolaris | all: these were the proprietary drivers |
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| 16:39.07 | LucianSolaris | all: about 8 months ago |
| 16:39.07 | bob2 | LucianSolaris: but, yes, binary drivers can cause untracable problems |
| 16:39.09 | tarzeau | nobody lives with giraffes or zebras here, right? that's only in africa? |
| 16:39.18 | ribnitz | trick question: to transfer 60G of files, will I need 60G of (virtual) memory? |
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| 16:39.22 | tarzeau | bob2: you've got penguins near you, no? |
| 16:39.23 | asg | tarzeau: you can but I shy away from both ducks and sheep. |
| 16:39.26 | bob2 | ribnitz: no |
| 16:39.30 | RichiH | bob2: that's not the one, it should of been 27th - still thanks, though |
| 16:39.36 | bob2 | tarzeau: not right here, but sydney and melbourne do |
| 16:39.43 | RichiH | asg: will do |
| 16:39.46 | bob2 | RichiH: I didn't see it, perhaps it was during a netplsit or something |
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| 16:39.55 | RichiH | asg: what's his current nick |
| 16:40.03 | RichiH | bob2: might be |
| 16:40.03 | bob2 | tarzeau: they build nests on the beaches, apparently |
| 16:40.09 | karsten | Guerin: pong |
| 16:40.16 | bob2 | karsten: do you use spamcop? |
| 16:40.16 | RichiH | bob2: it can also be irssi just hiccuped and there are no logs |
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| 16:40.23 | bob2 | RichiH: hmm, I guess so |
| 16:40.25 | tarzeau | what about turtles and bunnies? |
| 16:40.27 | xst | bob2: If I do a tcpdump > somefile and waits a couple of seconds, the file becomes no more than a couple of screen heights large when i "less" it |
| 16:40.40 | karsten | bob2: No. |
| 16:40.40 | karsten | bob2: Why? |
| 16:41.02 | bob2 | tarzeau: turtles, yes, and bunnies are a massive pest here. english idiots brought them over in the 19th century and now they're everywhere. |
| 16:41.02 | tarzeau | xst: what interface are you sniffing on? maybe you got no traffic? |
| 16:41.04 | tarzeau | xst: try ngrep instead? |
| 16:41.06 | bob2 | tarzeau: farmers hunt them |
| 16:41.17 | tarzeau | bob2: they're great on the grill |
| 16:41.18 | bob2 | xst: ok |
| 16:41.39 | bob2 | karsten: just curious, I'm making my spam stuff increasingly fascist again |
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| 16:41.53 | namnar | hello |
| 16:42.11 | bob2 | (and started reporting what slips through) |
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| 16:43.23 | paxmaster | is there way to extract a file or folder in a tar .gz |
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| 16:43.32 | bob2 | yes, read the man page |
| 16:43.36 | bob2 | it explains exactly how to do that |
| 16:43.49 | ribnitz | bob2: beyond the valid-dns entry? |
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| 16:44.10 | bob2 | ribnitz: hm? |
| 16:44.18 | ribnitz | bob2: nm. |
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| 16:44.23 | bob2 | ok |
| 16:44.29 | paxmaster | i have read the man pages but couldn't find it what i was looking for |
| 16:44.36 | bob2 | read again |
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| 16:44.48 | bob2 | hint: tar -zxf foo.tar.gz directory/to/extract./ |
| 16:44.52 | paxmaster | tar -x --get somethink |
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| 16:45.21 | paxmaster | yea but that what i meant |
| 16:45.29 | paxmaster | not* |
| 16:45.40 | bob2 | so |
| 16:45.47 | bob2 | your question is useleessly vague |
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| 16:46.30 | paxmaster | I mean there is a file in tar .gz and i want to extract it not the whole think |
| 16:46.44 | bob2 | so |
| 16:46.47 | bob2 | read what I said |
| 16:46.52 | Nirkus | hi, is there an debian diskless HOWTO or guide? |
| 16:46.52 | bob2 | and imagine unix was well designed |
| 16:46.59 | bob2 | how would you extend that to extract a single file? |
| 16:47.04 | bob2 | maybe by specifying the filename? |
| 16:47.13 | tarzeau | Nirkus: on i386? |
| 16:47.32 | Nirkus | tarzeau exactly, using pxe |
| 16:47.47 | tarzeau | Nirkus: how many machines? |
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| 16:48.07 | Nirkus | only one - at this time |
| 16:48.37 | Nirkus | i set up redhat el4 diskless and a friend wants to use his laptop diskless with debian |
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| 16:50.02 | james__ | has anyone used gtk-gnutella? it's pretty sweet. like limewire on crack |
| 16:50.14 | tarzeau | !anyone |
| 16:50.14 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 16:51.16 | Nirkus | tarzeau do you have a link for me? |
| 16:51.29 | tarzeau | Nirkus: nope, not for i386 |
| 16:51.50 | tarzeau | _joey: there's a bot? |
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| 16:53.00 | LucianSolaris | can i get x.org in debian sarge, or is it only xfree86? |
| 16:53.07 | tarzeau | LucianSolaris: no. yes |
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| 16:53.41 | clojster_ | i |
| 16:54.06 | LucianSolaris | tarzeau: which is it? |
| 16:54.07 | Nirkus | tarzeau for which arch? |
| 16:54.12 | Nirkus | hihi |
| 16:54.19 | tarzeau | Nirkus: i've used it on sparc, long ago (with NFS) |
| 16:54.24 | tarzeau | !xorg |
| 16:54.24 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, the industry standard implementation of the X Window System, and includes the code from XFree86 4.4RC2 plus many improvements. The current release is X11R6.8.2. It won't be uploaded into Debian unstable until its packages are ready. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for info and http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xorg-x11/trunk for progress. |
| 16:54.25 | WhiteRabbit | !tease me |
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| 16:55.26 | pun- | i know this may not be the right channel but, can anyone recommend me a simple ircd for like max of 30 people on it, thats easy to install |
| 16:55.40 | karsten | bob2: Nuke Kornet. |
| 16:55.46 | tarzeau | pun-: dancerircd |
| 16:56.05 | bob2 | karsten: hah |
| 16:56.06 | karsten | bob2: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/monthly-cidr-report |
| 16:56.13 | karsten | bob2: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/monthly-asn-report |
| 16:56.15 | pun- | ty |
| 16:56.16 | bob2 | karsten: kr.rbl.cluecentral.net |
| 16:56.29 | bob2 | karsten: xbl/sbl seems to catch nearly all the spam I used to get from kornet |
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| 16:56.59 | karsten | bob2: Top sources. Top 17 CIDRs are 25% of all spam. |
| 16:57.13 | Nirkus | tarzeau there should be no big difference after the kernel was loaded and initialized over the network |
| 16:57.21 | clojster_ | +i |
| 16:57.24 | tarzeau | Nirkus: true. i just don't remember |
| 16:57.26 | Nirkus | can you paste the link? |
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| 16:57.29 | Nirkus | hihi |
| 16:57.41 | tarzeau | Nirkus: well check tldp.org ? |
| 16:57.49 | tarzeau | !hehstats |
| 16:57.49 | dpkg | total count of heh on #debian: 19869 |
| 16:57.52 | karsten | bob2: ...and are /12, /22, /18, /24, /24, /13, /18, /19, /20, /13, /19, /19, /12, /16, /18, /11, respectively. Most of that's relatively concentrated. |
| 16:57.57 | bob2 | karsten: hmmm |
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| 16:58.17 | bob2 | karsten: biggest problem now is that most of my spam comes through accounts forwarded to me, so I can't just use rbls |
| 16:58.22 | Nirkus | no, i checked out this channel first, cause i wanted an HOWTO or guide to set up diskless debian, but i will |
| 16:58.26 | Vegar | does synaptic work with apt-listbugs? |
| 16:59.00 | tarzeau | Nirkus: you could ask in 8, 16 hours again, and during non-weekend |
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| 16:59.53 | karsten | bob2: Point. Or you could just bounce it back to your relay ;-) |
| 17:00.33 | karsten | bob2: Bayes seems to do pretty well. My main problem is keeping the ham trained as poisoning means _any_ word tends to be predictive of spam, on an arbitrary basis. |
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| 17:00.49 | bob2 | karsten: hmm |
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| 17:01.00 | bob2 | karsten: which bayes filter do you use? |
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| 17:01.17 | Nirkus | tarzeau thanks for the tip |
| 17:01.20 | karsten | bob2: ...and if your relays include *their* upstream peer, you can still use that to filter out stuff that's from there. |
| 17:01.23 | karsten | bob2: Spamassassin. |
| 17:01.49 | karsten | bob2: ...ideally, adding CIDR/ASN procmail rules gives you Bayes tokens to train against. |
| 17:01.58 | ribnitz | is there a way to make a system reread the partition table of a disc (without rebooting)? |
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| 17:02.04 | caphuso | ribnitz: man sfdisk |
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| 17:02.40 | caphuso | might be the -R option, but my memory isn't completely clear on that |
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| 17:03.14 | karsten | bob2: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/procmail-asn-header |
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| 17:03.47 | Subvertir | find -name '*' -exec grep default_address_information '{}' ';' |
| 17:03.57 | Subvertir | anyone know how I can make that output the filename before the grep output? |
| 17:04.06 | bob2 | karsten: hm, SA is annoyingly heavy-weight for my poor mail server |
| 17:04.06 | caphuso | Subvertir: man grep |
| 17:04.29 | karsten | bob2: Indeed it is. There's faster classifiers. You can substitute accordingly. |
| 17:04.45 | karsten | bob2: I also tend to throttle SA and exim to minimize the number of children running. |
| 17:04.56 | karsten | Subvertir: '-l' |
| 17:05.34 | Subvertir | <3 |
| 17:05.37 | bbrazil | -H |
| 17:05.38 | caphuso | i use bogofilter with three way sorting (ham, unsure, spam) and run spamassassin only on unsure messages (which then get fed to bogofilter accordingly) |
| 17:05.47 | mikeX | Subvertir, better try #bash |
| 17:05.52 | karsten | Subvertir: ...or possibly: -exec '(echo {}; grep default_address_information {})' |
| 17:06.03 | caphuso | no, he wants grep -r |
| 17:06.11 | bob2 | or -H |
| 17:06.12 | Subvertir | sry to ask lame questions |
| 17:06.18 | Subvertir | ive been up for a very long time |
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| 17:07.47 | bob2 | blah, like 90% of my spam comes from debian now |
| 17:08.14 | caphuso | bob2: yeah, that "no subscription necessary to post" policy really starts to suck |
| 17:08.36 | Subvertir | bastards. |
| 17:08.51 | Subvertir | if we shanked a few spammers they'd get the message |
| 17:08.56 | bob2 | hm, not so much on lists, but someone sponsored a package for me, and set the maintainer field to a -forward address on debian.org |
| 17:08.57 | tarzeau | bob2: ml subscriptions? |
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| 17:10.46 | bob2 | sleep |
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| 17:11.48 | SR-71A | on net install of sarge, getting a kernel panic msg: killing interrupt handler! | In interrupt handler - not synching |
| 17:11.53 | SR-71A | what should I check? |
| 17:12.24 | WhiteRabbit | md5sum of the disc have you |
| 17:12.29 | tarzeau | SR-71A: got another machine? |
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| 17:12.53 | SR-71A | have not checked md5sum... heh, the other machine is this XP machine |
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| 17:13.39 | charolastra | hi guys |
| 17:13.41 | POVaddct | SR-71A: you could install windows version of qemu and boot the cd image in it |
| 17:13.44 | SR-71A | even Knoppix is giving me a kernel panic msg sometimes... could this be do to BIOS settings? |
| 17:13.50 | WhiteRabbit | 19870! |
| 17:14.11 | POVaddct | SR-71A: maybe faulty ram. www.memtest86.com |
| 17:14.15 | tarzeau | SR-71A: no the hardware |
| 17:14.25 | SR-71A | ty, trying that now |
| 17:14.26 | WhiteRabbit | check the md5sum first |
| 17:14.27 | charolastra | the nvidia readme tells me to set an environment variable " __GL_FSAA_MODE" to 2; is it just a matter of "export __GL_FSAA_MODE=2"? |
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| 17:17.40 | Wyzard | charolastra: Yes, but keep in mind that setting an environment variable only affects the current process and its descendants |
| 17:17.41 | tarzeau | charolastra: #nvidia |
| 17:18.08 | charolastra | tarzeau: that was a question about env. variables, not nvidia .... |
| 17:18.18 | Wyzard | charolastra: so if you open a terminal window and set the variable, and then launch a game from a GNOME or KDE menu, for example, it won't work |
| 17:18.18 | charolastra | Wyzard: thanks |
| 17:18.39 | Maliuta | anyone got recomendations for a debian friendly UML hosting provider? |
| 17:18.46 | Wyzard | charolastra: To make it affect your whole desktop, put it in your ~/.xsession |
| 17:18.49 | charolastra | good to know |
| 17:18.56 | tarzeau | Maliuta: which country? |
| 17:19.25 | Maliuta | tarzeau: it doesn't really matter if the take credit card payments |
| 17:19.47 | tarzeau | Maliuta: maybe it matter, what you will want to host? |
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| 17:20.39 | Maliuta | tarzeau: I want to host my domains, on a machine I control |
| 17:20.57 | Maliuta | tarzeau: nothing that is going to set legal bells rining |
| 17:22.10 | Maliuta | tarzeau: mainly want the ability to multiply my webcam feed and control some database stuff |
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| 17:22.38 | barisa | Does anyone know how to enable DMA on DVD rom drive? I am using 2.6.11-k7 kernel, and the IDE controller is nvidia nforce... I load the ide-generic module and hdparm says HDIO_SET_DMA failed when I try to set it on |
| 17:22.59 | karsten | SR-71A: Blackbird? |
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| 17:23.19 | karsten | barisa: hdparm. If the drive supports it, you can enable it. If not ... |
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| 17:24.00 | rhalff | Im trying the netinstall, the base is installed ok, but after I reboot, I only see the grub command line, is this how it should be ? |
| 17:24.04 | mrwill | Maliuta: I use bytemark, and I'd recommend their uml service -- they offer debian images. |
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| 17:24.41 | barisa | karsten: so ide-generic driver is enough, just the drive has to support it. I was thinking maybe I need a nvidia specific ide driver for kernel... I guess that's not the case and I have no luck with this drive.. Thank you |
| 17:24.56 | outplanet | hey if i have 1 GB of RAM what how many for swap? |
| 17:24.58 | tarzeau | Maliuta: yeah i understood you, i just don't know anyone |
| 17:25.27 | karsten | barisa: Not AFAIK, which isn't much, though, so YMMV. |
| 17:25.38 | outplanet | how much do i want to swap space if i have 1 GB of ram? |
| 17:25.43 | karsten | outplanet: Some. |
| 17:25.48 | Maliuta | mrwill: www.bytemark.com? |
| 17:25.59 | mrwill | Maliuta: yes, that's them. |
| 17:26.01 | outplanet | 1 GB of swap space would be ok karsten? |
| 17:26.05 | tarzeau | outplanet: depends how many you need |
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| 17:26.10 | Maliuta | outplanet: personally I would not go larger tha 1GB |
| 17:26.11 | tarzeau | outplanet: with so much ram, i don't need any swap |
| 17:26.16 | karsten | outplanet: The question is how much memory do you use. Or use this rule of thumb: twice system max ram. Saves repartitioning later. I'd do 'em in 1 GB swaps myself. |
| 17:26.19 | outplanet | oh |
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| 17:26.24 | mrwill | Maliuta: oh, wait, no it isn't, try www.bytemark.co.uk |
| 17:26.32 | karsten | tarzeau: Myth. |
| 17:26.35 | outplanet | yeah |
| 17:26.37 | tarzeau | karsten: aren't swap partitions/files limited on linux? |
| 17:26.39 | barisa | karsten: what is AFAIK and YMMV? |
| 17:26.44 | outplanet | thx |
| 17:26.47 | tarzeau | karsten: myth? |
| 17:26.52 | karsten | barisa: /msg dpkg afaik |
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| 17:27.07 | karsten | tarzeau: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 17:27.12 | karsten | outplanet: ^^ |
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| 17:27.27 | outplanet | :) |
| 17:27.29 | barisa | karsten: thanks |
| 17:27.50 | karsten | tarzeau: I've got 1 GB RAM, swap usage varies between nil to 90%, w/ 1 GB swap. |
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| 17:28.12 | tarzeau | karsten: that's nice, but i've got 384mb and don't ever need any swap, thus don't have one |
| 17:28.14 | xoz | swap is still the norm even if you have unlimited ram. |
| 17:28.26 | amorphix | anyone seen a fluffywolf come in here? |
| 17:28.31 | tarzeau | karsten: i've not noticed any malfunction or lack of swap |
| 17:28.33 | karsten | tarzeau: IWFY. |
| 17:28.38 | tarzeau | !iwfy |
| 17:28.41 | xoz | !seedn fluffywiolf |
| 17:28.45 | xoz | !seen fluffywiolf |
| 17:28.45 | dpkg | xoz: i haven't seen 'fluffywiolf' |
| 17:28.47 | amorphix | thanx |
| 17:28.51 | xoz | !seen fluffywolf |
| 17:28.51 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'fluffywolf', xoz |
| 17:29.00 | amorphix | u been drinking? |
| 17:29.01 | TwistedEmotions | hahahahahah just bought a new computer for 10$ |
| 17:29.02 | karsten | tarzeau: IIWFY, then. |
| 17:29.02 | amorphix | hehe |
| 17:29.07 | tarzeau | !iiwfy |
| 17:29.08 | dpkg | i guess iiwfy is if it works for you. |
| 17:29.22 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: i386? |
| 17:29.23 | TwistedEmotions | http://www.craigslist.org/eby/sys/75804256.html |
| 17:29.39 | TwistedEmotions | no... imac g3 |
| 17:29.50 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: nice |
| 17:29.54 | amorphix | TwistedEmotions: nice buy! |
| 17:30.29 | TwistedEmotions | ;) thanks |
| 17:30.37 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: debian onto it? |
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| 17:31.08 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: Errr... I want to... but I promissed it to my mom... |
| 17:31.21 | TwistedEmotions | tarzeau: so I think I am just going to reformat and leave as is.. |
| 17:31.24 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: mac os x? |
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| 17:31.34 | ixi | hi, i've got all Sarge ISOs - they are on my hdd now. I created Packages file and want to use it for network installation on my LAN. The question is - how to do that? I think I need to create special boot CD but have no idea from where to start... |
| 17:31.40 | TwistedEmotions | I dont think it will run OS X.. |
| 17:31.41 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: ouf and i thought it's slow on a dual g5 ... |
| 17:31.50 | tarzeau | TwistedEmotions: mac os? the worst thing i've ever seen |
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| 17:32.27 | spencerk | is debian going to be stable this week? |
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| 17:32.36 | karsten | tarzeau: outplanet: Thread on this topic at SVLUG, starting roughly here: http://lists.svlug.org/pipermail/svlug/2005-April/049610.html |
| 17:32.43 | TwistedEmotions | if my mom doesnt want it... which she does... damn... I'll format with debian and use as a ftp server or some isht like that |
| 17:32.52 | bbrazil | ixi: never done it, but two steps are 1) download the net install CD 2) get your current images loopback mount them and put them up on apache |
| 17:32.52 | xoz | tiger is cool. much better than win |
| 17:32.54 | mutante | ixi: you could setup your own local debian server and put it into the sources.list of your LAN client http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Network-Install-HOWTO-8.html |
| 17:33.03 | caphuso | spencerk: is the estimated release date in the /topic this week? |
| 17:33.23 | spencerk | is the conversation limited to the official topic? |
| 17:33.49 | TwistedEmotions | Would it be any faster if I installed debian with a Mac based GUI? |
| 17:33.58 | TwistedEmotions | I dont think it would be.. |
| 17:34.18 | mutante | GUIs are seldom faster.. |
| 17:34.23 | TwistedEmotions | kk... |
| 17:34.26 | amorphix | i dont suppose theres any other Wacom pad gurus in here in fluffywolfs absence? |
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| 17:34.42 | TwistedEmotions | you mean furrywolf? |
| 17:34.47 | amorphix | oh yes |
| 17:34.50 | amorphix | hehehe |
| 17:34.58 | spencerk | the channel is so formulaic, you can tell its kept by computer programmers |
| 17:35.02 | TwistedEmotions | hahahhah from now on I call his fluffywolk... thats cute. |
| 17:35.02 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Only if you're drunk. |
| 17:35.25 | TwistedEmotions | karsten: your evil ;) |
| 17:35.47 | TwistedEmotions | and I just woke up so not drunk yet. |
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| 17:36.07 | karsten | TwistedEmotions: Get on it already. |
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| 17:37.12 | ixi | bbrazil, mutante: thanks, I'll try with net install CD first then |
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| 17:38.27 | mrwill | TwistedEmotions: geez, you don't wake up drunk? |
| 17:39.02 | TwistedEmotions | mrwill: no... seasoned alcoholics dont wake up drunk. |
| 17:39.47 | mrwill | TwistedEmotions: good to know, I've never woken up drunk, but I know someone who has... glad to hear she's not an alcoholic. |
| 17:40.07 | TwistedEmotions | mrwill: hahahha... I've done that many a times... |
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| 17:40.23 | mikeX | i've woken up covered in puke : D |
| 17:40.27 | TwistedEmotions | gg guys. Gotta go shower then get drunk. |
| 17:40.37 | mikeX | not that nice come to think of it though : ( |
| 17:40.38 | TwistedEmotions | mikeX: I did that when I was 18 |
| 17:40.43 | mikeX | me too : D |
| 17:40.51 | TwistedEmotions | haha... later. |
| 17:40.55 | mikeX | bye |
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| 17:41.08 | p88 | hi all |
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| 17:41.35 | p88 | my X server uses framebuffer drivers by default. how do I set it to use its own drivers? vmware doesn't allow full screen in framebuffer mode. |
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| 17:41.57 | rhalff | for some reason Im directed to the grub command line on second stage install, any way I can start the second stage from grub ? |
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| 17:42.22 | RedPenguin | Hey all |
| 17:42.32 | p88 | hi RedPenguin |
| 17:42.39 | m4lu7 | if i have no source package available for a given package, i just have a .deb, how do i go about unpacking it with all the debian/* files, such that i might repackage it myself via dpkg -b, etc? |
| 17:43.01 | m4lu7 | i want the control-type information out of it, the changelog, the post/pre-inst, post/pre-rm stuff... |
| 17:43.10 | RedPenguin | I dunno where this will get me, but is it possible if you are low on disk space to tell apt-get upgrade to only get some of the packages of the upgrade and then do the rest later? |
| 17:43.32 | jdhutchin1 | RedPenguin, you can apt-get install just the ones you want updated |
| 17:43.37 | james__ | RedPenguin, apt-get clean will remove all the cached debs |
| 17:44.05 | RedPenguin | I never thought of that and I forgot about apt-get clean |
| 17:44.05 | RedPenguin | ty |
| 17:44.11 | karsten | Running Firefox, I'm finding that it lags noticably when changing tabs, opening windows, dialogs, startup, etc. This on a P4 1.7 GHz 1 GB RAM system. Possibly slow video? SIS 6325 / XF86v4. |
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| 17:46.35 | shingouz | karsten: lot of other shit running? |
| 17:46.49 | shingouz | uh.. processes ;) |
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| 17:47.05 | mikeX | karsten, looks more like a swapping issue |
| 17:47.06 | qpee | is there any software for linux that read string out of text-fiels. reading like makeing strings into spoken words (-> `speak`, so i get a audio output)? |
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| 17:47.27 | shingouz | festival, qpee |
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| 17:48.02 | mikeX | karsten, what does 'free' give you? |
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| 17:48.16 | SR-71A | how can I do an md5 chksum from command line? |
| 17:48.23 | bbrazil | SR-71A: md5sum |
| 17:48.24 | EvanCarroll | md5sum |
| 17:48.25 | cmug | man md5sum |
| 17:48.27 | SR-71A | ty |
| 17:48.45 | mutante | qpee: and "flite" |
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| 17:49.03 | qpee | shingouz, mutante: thanks i'll try |
| 17:49.04 | dragan | ls |
| 17:49.30 | karsten | shingouz: Yes. |
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| 17:49.35 | karsten | shingouz: Load avg == 1. |
| 17:49.48 | karsten | shingouz: But I've never seen it be really quick. |
| 17:50.07 | karsten | mikeX: free & $1.50 buys a cuppakophee. |
| 17:50.23 | karsten | mikeX: Mem: 971500 958656 12844 0 260928 180200 |
| 17:50.27 | karsten | mikeX: -/+ buffers/cache: 517528 453972 |
| 17:51.07 | Dss192 | ~~~~~~ |
| 17:51.12 | mikeX | what's the last line (swap?) |
| 17:51.26 | karsten | mikeX: buffers/cache, from free. |
| 17:51.26 | SR-71A | can md5sum hang for a long time or should I consider it locked after 15 sec? <blushing with naivete> |
| 17:51.37 | karsten | SR-71A: It can take a while. ISO image? |
| 17:51.41 | Gathond | SR-71A: depends on its input |
| 17:51.55 | karsten | mikeX: vmstat shows no swapping, even with delay. |
| 17:52.12 | Gathond | SR-71A: it will need to read and process whatever you make an MD5 sum of, so an ISO could take some time |
| 17:52.13 | mikeX | SR-71A, you can use a monitoring tool such as gkrell |
| 17:52.21 | SR-71A | ok, doing the netinstall of sarge... running it to troubleshoot kernel panic on install |
| 17:52.23 | karsten | SR-71A: 'top' should show if it's thinking about something. |
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| 17:52.41 | karsten | SR-71A: noacpi. Try that. |
| 17:52.46 | karsten | SR-71A: ...kernel boot option. |
| 17:52.50 | SR-71A | ty |
| 17:52.57 | mikeX | karsten, then I guess it could be graphics, did you try a lighter gtk theme? like myst |
| 17:53.09 | mikeX | SR-71A, I meant gkrellm |
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| 17:53.49 | karsten | mikeX: No. Stock theme. Metric buttload of extensions though. |
| 17:54.15 | FJ_Sanchez | hi everybody |
| 17:54.23 | karsten | SR-71A: top & gkrellm are both monitors. top is old-school, gkrellm will pretty much tell you the same thing if you prod it hard enough. |
| 17:54.38 | Dss192 | top rules |
| 17:54.39 | Dss192 | :D |
| 17:54.40 | mikeX | karsten, hmm, dunno... I only find it laggy when I have lot's of tabs (>10), probably cause of swapped out pages |
| 17:54.59 | mikeX | htop too : D |
| 17:55.09 | Dss192 | htopd? |
| 17:55.11 | Dss192 | whats that? |
| 17:55.16 | karsten | mikeX: Yeah, lots of tabs. But it's _always_ slow, even just starting up. Noticing on other systems it's not as bad. |
| 17:55.35 | karsten | mikeX: ...Galeon's my alternative, it's not as bad. Mozilla's also laggy. I suspect Xul. |
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| 17:55.42 | shingouz | karsten: load 1.0 is a bit high i think. i got good results on this old SMP with a pre-emptive 2.6 and upping the ram to 200M but your system is a hell of a lot bigger so i do not know |
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| 17:55.56 | mikeX | karsten, well starting up is slow for me too, probably cause of shared libraries loading etc |
| 17:55.56 | shingouz | otoh, i run galeon karsten |
| 17:56.09 | mikeX | Xul? |
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| 17:56.25 | karsten | shingouz: Hrm. |
| 17:56.33 | Dss192 | thanks mikeX its indeed cool ;) |
| 17:56.44 | karsten | shingouz: Too many WM dock apps running. wminet in particular pegs load. |
| 17:57.10 | mikeX | Dss192, : D glad you like it |
| 17:57.32 | Dss192 | ya |
| 17:57.38 | Dss192 | it kix ass ;) hehe |
| 17:57.46 | Dss192 | never knew it even existed |
| 17:57.49 | Dss192 | console is cool |
| 17:58.18 | shingouz | karsten: remove the blingbling and go to galeon? |
| 17:58.33 | Dss192 | how do i install X on this old laptop? console is ok, im a real redhat user ;P apt-get install what? xterm and shit has already been isntalled, but i need only wmaker running someitmes |
| 17:58.45 | karsten | shingouz: I'm getting sick of Galeon, decided to try FFX again. |
| 17:58.46 | shingouz | Dss192: what laptop? |
| 17:58.52 | shingouz | karsten: :) |
| 17:58.56 | jethro | Dss192: x-window-system |
| 17:59.01 | Dss192 | my old one ;) np. i just need to know what package |
| 17:59.03 | karsten | shingouz: One of my beefs w/ FFX is that it's slow. The other is that its tab handling sucks. |
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| 17:59.09 | Dss192 | ya. thanks jethro |
| 17:59.14 | mtnman | dss192: apg-get install x-window-system-core |
| 17:59.19 | jethro | Dss192: then apt-cache search window manager |
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| 17:59.31 | shingouz | karsten: elinks2 or dillo should be able to run on such a low-end system :p |
| 17:59.32 | tarzeau | jharrison: how was the fish? |
| 17:59.43 | tarzeau | shingouz: links2 you mean |
| 17:59.44 | Dss192 | elinks is cool ;) using it already |
| 17:59.45 | mtnman | *apt-get :) |
| 17:59.54 | mutante | xserver-common |
| 17:59.55 | karsten | shingouz: I don't consider a P4 1.7 GHz 1 GB "low-end" ;-) |
| 18:00.06 | karsten | shingouz: damnit, what'd you do to my chain? |
| 18:00.08 | shingouz | Dss192: if you have a slow laptop, use something a bit smaller, something like xfce or blackbox |
| 18:00.13 | shingouz | what chain? |
| 18:00.21 | karsten | shingouz: The one you just yanked. |
| 18:00.27 | shingouz | links2, tarzeau. yup, sorry |
| 18:00.32 | shingouz | oh |
| 18:00.53 | tarzeau | shingouz: why? |
| 18:01.13 | shingouz | sorry? ok. im not but i did not remember the name |
| 18:01.37 | Dss192 | shinhouz aint wmaker the smallest windowmanager :D |
| 18:01.39 | Dss192 | ? |
| 18:01.42 | tarzeau | Dss192: no |
| 18:01.51 | tarzeau | Dss192: it's the most beautiful only |
| 18:01.57 | Dss192 | hm. learned something new nw hehe |
| 18:02.01 | Dss192 | hehe ok |
| 18:02.06 | shingouz | karsten: the cheap toss about the low-end... you do remember what kind of a box i have here, don't you? |
| 18:02.11 | tarzeau | Dss192: if you like it you also want gnustep and gnustep-games and gnustep-devel |
| 18:02.16 | Dss192 | but wmaker has always been faster for me than xfce |
| 18:02.25 | tarzeau | Dss192: oh slow is not the same as fast |
| 18:02.30 | tarzeau | s/slow/small/ |
| 18:02.37 | shingouz | <-- dual P1-133 |
| 18:02.47 | tarzeau | shingouz: hey at least you've got two of them! |
| 18:02.47 | Dss192 | this is 266mhz laptop ;P |
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| 18:02.55 | shingouz | yes :) |
| 18:03.20 | karsten | shingouz: I think you might've told me once ;-) |
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| 18:03.34 | Lynoure | Hi |
| 18:03.43 | shingouz | ok. that is the biggest reason why i figured i could yank your chain |
| 18:03.47 | karsten | shingouz: It's not that this is fatal lag, it's just...annoying and not present in most other apps. |
| 18:04.13 | karsten | shingouz: ...and doesn't appear to be an issue on other systems I've used recently. |
| 18:04.14 | shingouz | karsten: firefox is a bit of a hog unfortunately. i'd suspect the ram though |
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| 18:04.34 | Lynoure | I was pleasantly surprised to notice that WorldSkills (vocational) competition IT support competition had Debian as the linux distro in their competition tasks. |
| 18:04.55 | shingouz | Lynoure: what were the others? |
| 18:05.02 | sobersabre | guys, what's the largest partition size that can work to be formatted with fat32 ( vfat ) |
| 18:05.03 | sobersabre | ? |
| 18:05.12 | shingouz | 2G |
| 18:05.30 | WhiteRabbit | t-minus guess what! |
| 18:05.41 | mrwill | what? |
| 18:05.44 | tarzeau | shingouz: that was fat16 |
| 18:05.50 | sobersabre | shingouz, fat32 |
| 18:05.51 | sobersabre | ... |
| 18:05.55 | tarzeau | shingouz: you can have much larger ones with fat32 |
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| 18:05.58 | shingouz | ok. sorry |
| 18:05.59 | karsten | shingouz: 1 GB. |
| 18:06.00 | pipeline | sobersabre: Windows will only make up to 32G. The real limit is much, much higher, but some operating systems will only read up to 32G. |
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| 18:06.11 | karsten | shingouz: And half free. |
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| 18:06.17 | karsten | shingouz: No swap to speak of. |
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| 18:06.33 | shingouz | karsten: that is real odd then |
| 18:06.37 | karsten | shingouz: Next question is do you know of a good tab extension for FFX? Tabbrowser Extensions sucks. |
| 18:06.47 | bbrazil | windows XP limits you to 32GB, earlier versions - well I have a 120GB fat32 |
| 18:06.50 | sobersabre | pipeline, ok.. and what are linux's fdisk+mkfs limitations in that |
| 18:06.51 | sobersabre | ? |
| 18:06.56 | karsten | shingouz: s/extensions/preferences/ |
| 18:07.02 | pipeline | bbrazil: Windows will READ a large FAT32 fine. It just won't create one. |
| 18:07.12 | bbrazil | pipeline: I've created one in 98se |
| 18:07.18 | yaccobb | How can i perform search in 'man' please ? |
| 18:07.21 | pipeline | sobersabre: I don't know. It's impractical to make a FAT32 volume much larger than 32G anyway, because the number of files is fixed. |
| 18:07.22 | bbrazil | yaccobb: / |
| 18:07.24 | shingouz | karsten: nope. i havent been able to run FFX on these high-end boxen i have here, i need to stick with the smaller versions |
| 18:07.27 | pipeline | sobersabre: Your minimum filesize goes through the roof |
| 18:07.29 | Lynoure | shingouz: the other operating systems: today at least Win XP and Windows 2003 server |
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| 18:07.50 | streuner | yaccobb: man foo | grep search-string |
| 18:07.52 | pipeline | sobersabre: Whether you have a 10G filesystem or a 200G filesystem, it has the same number of files available. |
| 18:07.58 | Lynoure | shingouz: I did too, but they _sre_ still common :/ |
| 18:08.06 | Lynoure | s/sre/are |
| 18:08.12 | pipeline | sobersabre: FAT32 sucks ass. Dont use it. Windows can read ext2, linux can read ntfs. |
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| 18:08.22 | shingouz | Lynoure: dpkg -i tylenol |
| 18:08.24 | karsten | shingouz: telnet host 80 ? |
| 18:08.38 | shingouz | karsten: somethig like that, yes |
| 18:08.41 | Lynoure | shingouz: cannot, already have a beginning of an ulcer *grin* |
| 18:08.42 | sobersabre | pipeline, you mean "inodes" ( or blocks or how do they call it ) true. this is of no interest. |
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| 18:08.45 | yaccobb | streuner: bbrazil's solvation is what I wanted but thanks |
| 18:08.59 | pipeline | sobersabre: It will become interesting really fast when you have 100% disk usage and only 10% of the space is filled. |
| 18:09.01 | Gathond | pipeline: which would not be a problem if the files were large (the fixed filenumber in fat32) |
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| 18:09.04 | pipeline | sobersabre: FAT32 is really crippled. |
| 18:09.06 | sobersabre | pipeline, which is the best FS for linux/windows coexistence ? |
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| 18:09.15 | pipeline | sobersabre: ext2 or NTFS. |
| 18:09.19 | yaccobb | bbrazil: and how can i look at aviable man commands ? I mean ': q' etc ? |
| 18:09.22 | sobersabre | h,, |
| 18:09.23 | sobersabre | hmmm |
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| 18:09.25 | bbrazil | yaccobb: h |
| 18:09.28 | jethro | yaccobb: man man |
| 18:09.31 | sobersabre | can linux create NTFS files ? |
| 18:09.35 | pipeline | Gathond: The minimum filesize is going to be absolutely ridiculous once you get up to 100G. |
| 18:09.39 | pipeline | sobersabre: No. |
| 18:09.40 | Phated | sobersabre: No. |
| 18:09.41 | sobersabre | i thought it was only "same size" |
| 18:09.42 | j_k | yaccobb: actually these are 'less' commands. |
| 18:09.46 | tarzeau | sobersabre: files don't have an attribution of a partition type |
| 18:09.47 | yaccobb | jethro: no, there are only parameters |
| 18:09.48 | Lynoure | shingouz: But WordSkills was really fun to attend. One rarely gets to observe 15 separate sysadmins (young ones, though) bang their heads separately against the wall over the same problems =) |
| 18:09.50 | j_k | yaccobb: man less, so. |
| 18:09.54 | karsten | shingouz: six seconds to *close* a tab. |
| 18:09.57 | gandy909 | argh, I turned on iptables now my console, syslog, messages, and kern.log are full of this stuff: May 28 13:08:01 fridge kernel: IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=10.10.10.2 DST=151.164.88.200 LEN=66 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=52881 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=32768 DPT=53 LEN=46 |
| 18:09.57 | gandy909 | .....how to I stop this? |
| 18:10.00 | pipeline | sobersabre: You can modify existing files. You cannot make new files, delete files, change files sizes, or change their names. |
| 18:10.03 | shingouz | karsten: eeek |
| 18:10.05 | tarzeau | by far the worst filesystem i've seen is the one of mac os |
| 18:10.08 | yaccobb | j_k: oh... thanks for the tip |
| 18:10.15 | WhiteRabbit | tarzeau, how so? |
| 18:10.15 | Lynoure | shingouz: And none of them say "stop staring at my screen" |
| 18:10.19 | tarzeau | allowing "?", "*", "/" in filenames |
| 18:10.19 | sobersabre | pipeline, this is a great advantage over FAT32 ... |
| 18:10.24 | Gathond | pipeline: not if the files are large, who cares if a bunch of ISO files or avi's are rounded up to nearest MB bu the filesystem |
| 18:10.29 | sampo_v2 | has anyone seen a memory leak with xserver-xfree86 version 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1? |
| 18:10.30 | tarzeau | oh and let's not forget ">" |
| 18:10.36 | yaccobb | bbrazil: yep, that's exatly what I wanted. thanks again |
| 18:10.38 | WhiteRabbit | tarzeau, ya but? |
| 18:10.45 | pipeline | Gathond: I'm too lazy to do the math, but I think it'll be something like 50M in a 200G filesystem. |
| 18:10.57 | caphuso | tarzeau: all of those except / are allowed in unix too |
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| 18:11.13 | Gathond | pipeline: would that not only apply for a fat16 sector size like thing? |
| 18:11.16 | tarzeau | WhiteRabbit: ever tried to copy a file called "This is 8/55>n?__*.rtf" to a real filesystem? |
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| 18:11.32 | Gathond | or do fat32 han a limit of sector count not related to 32 bits? |
| 18:11.34 | pipeline | Gathond: FAT filesystems are determined by the number of files. There's a fixed number. That's the only determinator. |
| 18:11.39 | WhiteRabbit | tarzeau, from a ! to a =( na not really |
| 18:11.39 | pipeline | Gathond: The sector count doesn't mean anything |
| 18:11.49 | karsten | shingouz: Yeah. As I said, annoying. |
| 18:11.53 | pipeline | Gathond: I have the MS pdf on the subject around here something. FAT really, really, really, really sucks. |
| 18:11.56 | EvanCarr1ll | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.03 | tarzeau | EvanCarr1ll: not the "/" |
| 18:12.20 | MacNamera | yep, FAT=sucking |
| 18:12.25 | Gathond | pipeline: so does rebooting to move a file somewhere or write to something |
| 18:12.26 | pipeline | sobersabre: I would use ext2, as there is a read-only ext2 driver available for windows for free, and a company that sells a read-write driver. |
| 18:12.27 | jethro | yaccobb: I can read less mentionned quite a few times, as in less(1), in man man |
| 18:12.38 | tarzeau | pipeline: you have that file number limit on extN too |
| 18:12.40 | MacNamera | it has limited filesize |
| 18:12.46 | pipeline | tarzeau: It's not the same, at all. |
| 18:12.52 | EvanCarr1ll | tarzeau: so because OS x allows one more char it is the 'worst file system you have ever seen' |
| 18:13.08 | pipeline | tarzeau: The ext2 file limits are like UFS. Sure, it's primitive, but oh christ is vfat awful. |
| 18:13.15 | tarzeau | EvanCarr1ll: no, i generally don't like Mac OS |
| 18:13.22 | Gathond | MacNamera: so does just about every other filesystem, they differ alot in what that size is however |
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| 18:13.36 | pipeline | tarzeau: Google for the PDF specs on vFAT. It's like watching a car wreck. |
| 18:13.51 | MacNamera | Gathond: I know, but FAT is very very limited |
| 18:14.07 | tarzeau | pipeline: i'll spare the eye cancer |
| 18:14.21 | Gathond | MacNamera: so is older versions of ext2 (2 GB iirc) |
| 18:14.23 | MacNamera | tried to put a small file on it, about 4.9 GB...didn't work... |
| 18:14.34 | bbrazil | 4.9GB is not a small file |
| 18:14.51 | MacNamera | nowadays it is... |
| 18:15.12 | Gathond | bbrazil: that is the thing about words like small, large, big ... they dont mean shit unless you have a specific scale |
| 18:15.25 | sparr | how can i find out if/when a package "due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive" will be available in unstable? |
| 18:15.36 | tarzeau | sparr: checked incoming.d.o ? |
| 18:15.42 | Gathond | MacNamera: I would say it is a large file, not unusual perheps, but alot larger than your average file |
| 18:15.45 | shingouz | i am too lazy to google this up, what is the filesize limit on ext2/3 btw? |
| 18:15.56 | caphuso | shingouz: "enough" |
| 18:16.03 | tarzeau | shingouz: it depends on arch, version of kernel |
| 18:16.15 | Gathond | shingouz: shingouz current versions is enough, but that might chance some day |
| 18:16.15 | tarzeau | shingouz: as well as inode size and |
| 18:16.15 | bbrazil | shingouz: limited by the kernel (2TB last time I checked - assuming 4k block size) |
| 18:16.18 | MacNamera | Gathond: ok that is a reasonable statement :-) |
| 18:16.24 | sparr | tarzeau: i have now. its there. |
| 18:16.26 | shingouz | ok. enough is the word :) |
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| 18:16.38 | tarzeau | sparr: you can pick it from there for now |
| 18:16.47 | sparr | tarzeau: yes, but id still like to know |
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| 18:16.56 | tarzeau | sparr: depends on when the mirrors sync |
| 18:17.00 | sparr | its the first response to my wishlist bugs from yesterday :) |
| 18:17.11 | sparr | very encouraging |
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| 18:17.11 | tarzeau | sparr: what pkg? |
| 18:17.11 | sparr | i shall file a few dozen more tonight |
| 18:17.13 | sparr | overkill |
| 18:17.15 | tarzeau | sparr: ahhh the menu! |
| 18:17.17 | tarzeau | hints |
| 18:17.27 | tarzeau | sparr: did you discuss the mass bug filing yet? |
| 18:17.53 | MacNamera | does anybody know what the status is for eudora for Linux? There were planning to make it available for linux too... |
| 18:17.53 | phaedrus_ | hey hey |
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| 18:18.03 | tarzeau | !anybody |
| 18:18.03 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 18:18.11 | shingouz | i need to set up a distcc cluster, re-re-re-recompiling a custom kernel on a P2-300 is not fun anymore |
| 18:18.24 | tarzeau | MacNamera: i don't know of anything, but i know eudora sucks crap. |
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| 18:18.38 | tarzeau | MacNamera: hopefully they will not make binary only software of it available for linux |
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| 18:18.41 | Gathond | shingouz: so just compile it somewhere else |
| 18:18.51 | dwu | hi all, how can i save essid setting when using iwconfig |
| 18:18.55 | shingouz | Gathond: that is the fastest one i have |
| 18:19.03 | sparr | tarzeau: well, i got very little feedback in the places i tried, what little i got was neutral or positive, so im going for it. just didnt want to do them all at once. did 5 first, one of them got fixed, so now im gonna try to do at least 20 a day |
| 18:19.05 | dwu | everytime i boot up i have to reset essid.. very annnoying |
| 18:19.06 | MacNamera | tarzeau: really? It has very less failures as outlook.... |
| 18:19.16 | tarzeau | MacNamera: outlook is crap too |
| 18:19.29 | tarzeau | MacNamera: damn it, this is not #MacOS nor #Windows |
| 18:19.38 | Gathond | shingouz: ahhh, that might be a no go then |
| 18:19.54 | tarzeau | sparr: hehe ;) nice tactics |
| 18:19.56 | MacNamera | tarzeau: I agree, it is shit... |
| 18:20.00 | amorphix | !seen furrywolf |
| 18:20.00 | dpkg | furrywolf is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 3813 messages. Is idling for 11h 26m 59s |
| 18:20.06 | amorphix | phew |
| 18:20.07 | MacNamera | glad that linux has better stuff :-) |
| 18:20.31 | amorphix | furrywolf has 3,813 messages, popular guy |
| 18:20.45 | sparr | amorphix: has SAID, very wordy guy. |
| 18:20.55 | amorphix | oh |
| 18:20.58 | amorphix | heh |
| 18:21.11 | chaps0063 | what drivers should I use for Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M_2 Gigabit Ethernet? |
| 18:21.11 | sparr | tarzeau: seems slightly less pointless than fixing them myself locally |
| 18:21.34 | shingouz | hmm... speaking if which, where do i tell kpkg to use distcc instead of whatever it uses now? not that it helps with this particular compile |
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| 18:21.52 | MacNamera | it is said that the mozilla package...browser/email/irc will not be continued...is this true? |
| 18:22.02 | Mage_ | s/package// |
| 18:22.10 | Gathond | MacNamera: i believe that is their plan yes |
| 18:22.18 | sparr | MacNamera: likely, but it wont happen until you see equivalent integration between firefox/seamonkey and thunderbird, and until sunbird is 1.0 |
| 18:22.24 | Gathond | MacNamera: to supply firefox, thunderbird and so forth instead |
| 18:22.50 | MacNamera | ah...looks to me a good development |
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| 18:24.10 | starscalling | http://www.cnn.com/TECH/space/9904/02/tarantula.nebula/stars.large.jpg things like this are why i live <3 |
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| 18:25.35 | cool0ne | hi anyone in? |
| 18:25.39 | shingouz | no |
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| 18:25.55 | yarddog | i get this msg when i try to put a cd in, "mount: mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist" how can i fix this? |
| 18:26.09 | jethro | cool0ne: 20:25:45 -!-| Irssi: #debian: Total of 707 nicks 2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 705 normal . just in case you didn't notice |
| 18:26.13 | shingouz | yarddog: well, does it exist? |
| 18:26.29 | cool0ne | jethro: o ok |
| 18:26.32 | yaccobb | I am trying to install mplayer codecs but codecs.conf can't be found... where is default codecs directory if debian mplayer compilation ? I found only /usr/lib/pwlib/codecs.... |
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| 18:26.57 | MacNamera | mplayer isnt a very good player |
| 18:26.58 | fdF | IS there a command in linux which can remove like fx 62 character from a file? |
| 18:27.00 | yarddog | shingouz: i thought it did, i just installed this last night |
| 18:27.07 | MacNamera | try xmms |
| 18:27.08 | yarddog | shingouz: guess it dont |
| 18:27.09 | jethro | yarddog: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 18:27.18 | Mage_ | fdF: sed ? |
| 18:27.18 | tarzeau | MacNamera: xmms is worse imho |
| 18:27.21 | jethro | !troll Mage_ |
| 18:27.23 | jethro | oops |
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| 18:27.26 | jethro | !troll MacNamera |
| 18:27.31 | jethro | Mage_: sorry bout that |
| 18:27.32 | Lynoure | MacNamera: What is a good player? |
| 18:27.33 | yaccobb | MacNamera: Yes, similiar to winamp... and Xine... where they have codecs dir ? |
| 18:27.39 | Mage_ | mmh |
| 18:27.46 | WhiteRabbit | beep |
| 18:27.50 | Mage_ | !beep |
| 18:27.50 | dpkg | i guess beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 18:27.56 | Dss192 | www.mplayerhq.hu |
| 18:28.01 | Dss192 | read that yaccobb |
| 18:28.06 | tarzeau | cynthiune.app htp://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/ |
| 18:28.20 | fdF | Mage_: cant find anything about removing character in the man page of sed |
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| 18:28.32 | Dss192 | codecs goto -> /usr/lib/win32 |
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| 18:28.50 | cool0ne | yaccobb: can you help me with win32 codex to play wmv in xine |
| 18:28.53 | yaccobb | Dss192: grrr, I DID mr smart |
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| 18:29.10 | Dss192 | so whats not working now? |
| 18:29.12 | Mage_ | fdF: or tr |
| 18:29.16 | yaccobb | cool0ne: i am solving the same problem |
| 18:29.17 | cool0ne | yaccobb: can you |
| 18:29.17 | jethro | yarddog: just /msg dpkg marillat and /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 18:29.17 | WhiteRabbit | in the xine options point to the exact location if you changed the default codecs path |
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| 18:29.26 | Mage_ | [6] [root@mordor:/home/mage]# echo "abcdefghija" | tr -d 'a' |
| 18:29.27 | Mage_ | bcdefghij |
| 18:29.27 | whooper | Hello! I'm trying to compile and install a new kernel on a debian machine which only has an xfs partition for / ..do I need to use initrd to make it boot? |
| 18:29.35 | yarddog | jethro: for the cdrom problem? |
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| 18:29.37 | yaccobb | cool0ne: sorry, i am noob and moron, ask people there. |
| 18:29.38 | cool0ne | yaccobb: lol really |
| 18:29.43 | yaccobb | !lol |
| 18:29.43 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 18:29.53 | yaccobb | cool0ne: :-P |
| 18:29.55 | cool0ne | yaccobb: o ok |
| 18:30.20 | fdF | Mage_: neither there, and thats something with two files.. |
| 18:30.22 | MacNamera | someone ever tried solaris? |
| 18:30.23 | cool0ne | yaccobb: you debain? now |
| 18:30.23 | jethro | yarddog: obviously not. for the codec problem |
| 18:30.38 | yarddog | jethro: i dont have a codec issue |
| 18:30.46 | shingouz | yaccobb: Lynoure /msg dpkg marillat |
| 18:30.59 | yarddog | i get this msg when i try to put a cd in, "mount: mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist" how can i fix this? |
| 18:31.02 | MacNamera | sun opened the code for it... |
| 18:31.05 | Lynoure | hmm |
| 18:31.07 | jethro | yarddog: yaccobb | I am trying to install mplayer codecs but codecs.conf can't be found... where is default codecs directory if debian mplayer compilation ? I found only /usr/lib/pwlib/codecs.... |
| 18:31.15 | yarddog | that was not me |
| 18:31.20 | jethro | fuck |
| 18:31.22 | jethro | I need some rest |
| 18:31.25 | yarddog | heh |
| 18:31.31 | fdF | Mage_: ? |
| 18:31.32 | yarddog | my problem is the cdrom |
| 18:31.38 | jethro | yarddog: sorry about that |
| 18:31.41 | fumbalah | alright, I know this probably gets asked alot, what is the best way to go about updating the kernel on debian |
| 18:31.44 | Lynoure | shingouz: I got lost in the way... why should I do that? I don't miss Marillat :) |
| 18:31.45 | yarddog | np |
| 18:31.49 | shingouz | whooper: not necessatily. compile the drivers for the root filesystem statically along with the necessary chipset and hd drivers and you should be set |
| 18:31.51 | cool0ne | yaccobb: you debain? now |
| 18:31.56 | shingouz | Lynoure: ok |
| 18:31.57 | amorphix | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.57 | dpkg | furrywolf is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 3813 messages. Is idling for 11h 38m 57s |
| 18:32.02 | yaccobb | jethro: i have that repository (i have mplayer from there). I didn't foubn codecs.. what package should I install ? |
| 18:32.25 | yaccobb | cool0ne: what ?! I am in debian now. |
| 18:32.32 | xtension | how do i specify the ! in an url ? |
| 18:32.37 | Lynoure | shingouz: In fact I have never talked to him outside e-mail and I'm not sure I want to change that :) |
| 18:32.39 | jethro | yaccobb: read the marillat factoid and apt-get install w32codecs, then dpkg -L w32codecs to list what it installed |
| 18:32.40 | crashbg | Is there any patch for cpufreq so the "ondemand" governor to be the default one booting the system ? |
| 18:32.58 | shingouz | Lynoure: for mplayer, man, not for a date :p |
| 18:33.13 | yaccobb | jethro: That's it. thakns |
| 18:33.20 | jethro | yaccobb: you're welcome |
| 18:33.38 | Lynoure | shingouz: Oh, I thought there was some software related reason why mplayer is not a very good player |
| 18:33.39 | mrwill | fumbalah: do you want a different packaged kernel, or to build your own kernel? |
| 18:33.50 | shingouz | Lynoure: mplayer is a good player |
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| 18:34.07 | crashbg | mplayer is the best movie player :) |
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| 18:34.18 | MacNamera | mplayer let me down, xmms never..so far :-) |
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| 18:34.18 | Lynoure | shingouz: I don't hold strong opinions either way, just reacted to what MacNamera said. |
| 18:34.24 | fumbalah | A packaged kernel will be fine for now, I'm not too comfortable with recompiling a kernel just yet... |
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| 18:34.45 | trying_hard | have a problem:: just made a new install of debian. When I start KDE, it crashes when it tries to start the services... |
| 18:34.46 | yaccobb | crashbg: perhaps, but it crash in situations xine not(no codecs). |
| 18:35.00 | trying_hard | I don |
| 18:35.20 | amorphix | any Wacom pad gurus? |
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| 18:35.37 | MacNamera | no, just dataline :-) |
| 18:35.39 | trying_hard | don't know what to do... tried messing with the XFree86 install file to switch the screen to vesa, but that didn't seem to help. Anzone? |
| 18:35.42 | chealer | fumbalah: what kernel do you have? |
| 18:35.46 | trying_hard | *anyone? |
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| 18:36.00 | amorphix | wheres the fluffywolf i wonder |
| 18:36.13 | chealer | trying_hard: do you use a display manager so that you could check if only X starts? |
| 18:36.37 | MacNamera | amorphix: maybe he is fluffing...hihi |
| 18:36.39 | fumbalah | chealer: the one that comes defualt with sarge, so 2.4.27 |
| 18:36.40 | trying_hard | chealer: I'm using kdm. X starts fine, kde itself does not. |
| 18:36.40 | shingouz | amorphix: chasing the maiman up a tree i guess |
| 18:36.41 | amorphix | hehe |
| 18:36.51 | shingouz | mailman even |
| 18:37.02 | whooper | another thing: when i try running kpkg --initrd kernel_image it warns me taht "this may not work unless you have applied the initrd cramfs patch to the kernel... " is cramfs supported by kernel 2.6.8 by default, or must it be selected somewhere in menuconfig? |
| 18:37.04 | amorphix | he's been idle for 11 hrs |
| 18:37.16 | chealer | fumbalah: depending on your architecure, just apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-arch |
| 18:37.24 | amorphix | but then he probably needs a rest of typing those 3,811 messages |
| 18:37.27 | trying_hard | chealer: also - I set kde as my default interface for the debian configuration, but it keeps saying "cannot start kde" |
| 18:37.46 | shingouz | whooper: well di you enable it? if not sure, check before compiling |
| 18:37.46 | sparr | Gathond: please dont say "firefox, thunderbird", its misleading. firefox is a fork, not a new version of mozilla. |
| 18:37.58 | whooper | shingouz: didn't find where to enable it =/ |
| 18:38.00 | chealer | trying_hard: since kdm starts fine, is there something that makes you think that X configuration could be the problem? |
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| 18:38.22 | MacNamera | cul8er |
| 18:38.36 | shingouz | whooper: should be there. you really should not be using the 2.6.8 in anycase, get something a bit more recent while you are at it |
| 18:38.37 | chealer | trying_hard: sorry, what's the "default interface for the debian configuration"? is it debconf? |
| 18:38.44 | trying_hard | chealer: first thing that popped to mind: I have an nVidia gefore fx... so I thought that might be it. Changed the default card config to "vesa", but no prob... |
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| 18:39.49 | chealer | trying_hard: what's your debian release? |
| 18:40.00 | trying_hard | chealer: when I execute "base-config" for example, it first says "cannot start kde" before dropping back to text mode. |
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| 18:40.08 | trying_hard | chealer: sarge RC2 |
| 18:40.14 | whooper | shingouz: seems 2.6.8 is the latest package i can apt-get (in testing) |
| 18:40.16 | trying_hard | chealer: net install :) |
| 18:40.28 | whooper | shingouz: should i download from kernel.org instead? |
| 18:40.39 | chealer | trying_hard: OK, BTW sarge doesn't really have release candidates, the installer (d-i) does |
| 18:40.41 | trying_hard | chealer: thank god I remembered about irssi and links2... |
| 18:40.45 | shingouz | whooper: i am not saying you should but that is what i usually do |
| 18:40.57 | whooper | ok.. |
| 18:41.00 | yaccobb | btw I had problems with xvideo I have asked here... For those who are interested, problem was when OpenGLOverlay isn't disabled in XF86Config-4 it automaticly disables VideoOverlay so xvideo is unaviable. |
| 18:41.01 | fumbalah | chealer: so what's the latest kernel package available |
| 18:41.03 | takatumi | whooper: CONFIG_CRAMFS, it's in Misc File Systems. |
| 18:41.10 | trying_hard | chealer: sorry. As the name suggests, I'm trying hard to understand what's going on here. Never had this happen before. |
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| 18:41.51 | whooper | takatumi: ah, there it is! thanks! |
| 18:41.56 | chealer | fumbalah: which kernel package do you have installed? |
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| 18:42.21 | chealer | trying_hard: hahaha, good :) |
| 18:42.27 | trying_hard | chealer: :) |
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| 18:42.33 | fumbalah | 2.4.27 |
| 18:42.38 | fumbalah | I'd like to update to the latest |
| 18:43.09 | chealer | trying_hard: I guess it's normal that debconf fails if it's configured to use KDE and KDE isn't started, so that wouldn't be a real clue |
| 18:43.38 | chealer | fumbalah: 2.4.27 isn't a package name. a package would be named something like kernel-image-2.4.27-2-foo |
| 18:43.55 | trying_hard | chealer: putting it like that... |
| 18:44.00 | chealer | fumbalah: do you use some graphic frontend for package management, like synaptic, or only CLI? |
| 18:44.02 | takatumi | whooper: but, why are you building initrd anyway? |
| 18:44.20 | trying_hard | chealer: How can I reconfigure debconf? (just for starters) |
| 18:44.32 | chealer | trying_hard: BTW, did you upgrade to the latest sarge recently? |
| 18:44.39 | chealer | trying_hard: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 18:45.02 | fumbalah | I have both at my disposal, I've been using the command ling though |
| 18:45.04 | fumbalah | line* |
| 18:45.16 | trying_hard | chealer: I don't know what you mean by recently... I downloaded this cd around christmas... |
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| 18:46.21 | chealer | trying_hard: but did you do a "dist-upgrade" in the last, say, 2 weeks? sarge is not a stable release, it's still testing for a couple of days, it evolved since christmas |
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| 18:46.51 | chealer | fumbalah: look for which packages starting with kernel-image-2.4.27 you have installed |
| 18:47.17 | trying_hard | chealer: I installed it today over a release of (i feel SO dirty...) Windows. Haven't done a dist-upgrade at all. Is it worth a try? |
| 18:47.35 | whooper | takatumi: because the last kernel i compiled wouldn't boot at all.. just kept rebooting after loading the kernel |
| 18:47.39 | chealer | ur, a couple of days probably should read something else in english...like, a small number of days (see /topic) |
| 18:48.13 | chealer | trying_hard: yeah, that takes some time (mostly download) though |
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| 18:48.40 | chealer | if you don't upgrade, you get more and more known security holes |
| 18:48.51 | bernouli | how many DoS attacks do you know? |
| 18:48.53 | trying_hard | chealer: would it make a difference if I did a net-install today? |
| 18:48.53 | whooper | takatumi: so I was hoping it would help. figured maybe it had to do with having no /boot partition with ext2 (only an xfs partition holding / ) |
| 18:49.20 | trying_hard | chealer: (I mean I installed debian through a net install, not off the cds)... |
| 18:49.54 | Gathond | sparr, but the mozilla foundation still releases all of them right? |
| 18:50.11 | sparr | Gathond: yes |
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| 18:50.14 | Gathond | sparr, I might be wrong though, left mozilla at version 0.9 or some such |
| 18:50.15 | chealer | trying_hard: I don't know, I installed with PPPoE which isn't really supported by the netinst. in any case, trying aptitude dist-upgrae can't hurt (unless it says it will remove many packages for example) |
| 18:50.29 | osh | Anyone got a suggestion about which dvd-ripper is a good choice. The more automatic the better. |
| 18:50.57 | Gathond | sparr, and the mozilla foundation is (according to some /. thing) talking about dropping the mozilla suite in favor for realeasing firefox, thunderbird and friends? |
| 18:50.59 | trying_hard | chealer: ok. Thank you kindly. I installed via PPPoE myself :) I'll give it a try, and get back to you. |
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| 18:51.35 | Gathond | sparr, I guess I dont understand why you think I should not talk about firefox, thunderbird, and so forth? |
| 18:51.36 | tarzeau | sparr: you know what's worse? when there is no menu file at all (and it's a graphical application) |
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| 18:51.53 | tarzeau | Gathond: they all suck |
| 18:51.55 | sparr | Gathond: because firefox is not part of the same grouping as the suite, thunderbird, and sunbird. its a fork. |
| 18:52.01 | Gathond | tarzeau: I agree |
| 18:52.05 | sparr | tarzeau: yeah, that sucks hard |
| 18:52.17 | tarzeau | sparr: but the app can be great anyways: schism |
| 18:52.20 | sparr | tarzeau: join my campaign for hints! just pick a menu other than Games/Arcade :) |
| 18:52.25 | trying_hard | chealer: good news. Only 17 packages need to be upgraded, among which is discover and aptitude... I hope that I'll be able to reconfigure kde to work in some way. |
| 18:52.30 | tarzeau | so, is anyone to play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net again? #bub-n-bros |
| 18:52.42 | tarzeau | sparr: can you show me an example? |
| 18:52.43 | Gathond | sparr: I said that mozilla were moving towards realeases of those seperate components instead of one large suite |
| 18:52.51 | sparr | tarzeau: of what? the hints? |
| 18:52.54 | tarzeau | sparr: yes |
| 18:52.56 | Gathond | tarzeau: I agree |
| 18:53.03 | trying_hard | chealer: BTW - is there some application (other than ps -a) where I can see and manipulate the services? |
| 18:53.05 | mrwill | Gathond: moving towards? they already do release those components. |
| 18:53.06 | tarzeau | Gathond: yes i got it, you can stop repeating now |
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| 18:53.23 | adexta | my sound isnt' working. |
| 18:53.31 | tarzeau | adexta: /msg dpkg audio |
| 18:53.34 | tarzeau | !isn't working |
| 18:53.34 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 18:53.45 | tarzeau | !tell adexta about ask |
| 18:53.48 | sparr | tarzeau: |
| 18:53.49 | sparr | ?package(lxdoom-svga):needs="vc" section="Games/Arcade" title="LsDoom" hints="Doom,3D" command="/usr/games/lsdoom" icon="/usr/share/pixmaps/lxdoom.xpm" |
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| 18:54.12 | tarzeau | sparr: is there a list of all defined hints? |
| 18:54.16 | chealer | trying_hard: 17 package upgrades is unlikely to fix your problem though |
| 18:54.17 | WhiteRabbit | http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/5/26/11/index.html |
| 18:54.28 | sparr | tarzeau: no, its free form. you can do some fancy grepping of your menu dir and assemble one if youd like |
| 18:54.37 | takatumi | whooper: I don't have a boot partition either, not xfs though, if you compile the FS and related items static, it should boot without an initrd. |
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| 18:54.52 | tarzeau | sparr: would it make sense to do that for the others on some simple webpage? |
| 18:54.52 | fdF | How to remove the last line in a file from the command line? |
| 18:54.53 | trying_hard | chealer: and indeed it didn't. |
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| 18:54.57 | tarzeau | takatumi! |
| 18:55.00 | chealer | trying_hard: I don't know, for KDE services, try asking #debian-kde. look in .xsession-errors for clues about what's wrong in KDE's startup |
| 18:55.06 | tarzeau | fdF: using sed |
| 18:55.08 | takatumi | tarzeau! |
| 18:55.13 | sparr | tarzeau: yes, it would. ill probably take the time to make one for Games/Arcade :) |
| 18:55.32 | takatumi | how many dragons did ya bubble today? :) |
| 18:55.35 | trying_hard | chealer: kde still hangs when it initializes the system services. doesn't crash though - that's a step ahead. |
| 18:55.44 | fdF | tarzeau: hmm :-/ i allready maned that program, cant find anything that tells me how to do it |
| 18:55.56 | whooper | takatumi: I'm sure it *should* , but it didn't.. :) I'm struggling a bit with making the kernel work fine with this hardware (VIA EPIA motherboard with VIAC3 cpu..) |
| 18:55.57 | Morpheusts | is on this server a german channel?` |
| 18:55.59 | tarzeau | fdF: tac file | sed 1d | tac > newfile |
| 18:56.01 | trying_hard | chealer: thank you very much. I'll have a look in there. |
| 18:56.05 | MikeH_ | can someone do me a favour and try this URL please |
| 18:56.18 | whooper | takatumi: so I figured it was worth a shot.. |
| 18:56.41 | tarzeau | sparr: let me know if you got one |
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| 18:56.47 | takatumi | whooper: sure, get it booting somehow. :) (and then experiment) |
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| 18:57.04 | sparr | tarzeau: heh, the one for Games/Arcade is easy, only like 5 packages have any hints there |
| 18:57.06 | yarddog | i get this msg when i try to put a cd in, "mount: mount point /media/cdrom0 does not exist" how can i fix this? |
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| 18:57.15 | WhiteRabbit | MikeH_, long as its a page loaded down with java Im there! |
| 18:57.20 | sparr | tarzeau: the Apps/* submenus have great hint structures, in general |
| 18:57.22 | tarzeau | yarddog: create mountpoint |
| 18:57.25 | jethro | tarzeau: you're ready for some rounds? I have like 30 minutes to kill |
| 18:57.31 | MikeH_ | WhiteRabbit: http://mikestatix.plus.com:81/aspx/test1a.aspx |
| 18:57.32 | yarddog | tarzeau: i dunt know how |
| 18:57.32 | MikeH_ | :/ |
| 18:57.37 | tarzeau | jethro: OF COURSE ;) |
| 18:57.40 | jethro | :D |
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| 18:57.42 | tarzeau | yarddog: mkdir |
| 18:57.53 | yarddog | thats all there is to it? |
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| 18:58.11 | WhiteRabbit | MikeH_, Hrm, WhiteRabbit, you seem to be a Male!! :/ |
| 18:58.18 | tarzeau | jethro: join the german server |
| 18:58.18 | trying_hard | chealer: where do I find the .xsession-errors file? |
| 18:58.25 | yarddog | cd |
| 18:58.25 | MikeH_ | it works |
| 18:58.26 | MikeH_ | :d |
| 18:58.27 | MikeH_ | cheers |
| 18:58.30 | MikeH_ | ;P |
| 18:58.31 | tarzeau | jethro: 207.Red-217-125-14.pooles.rima-tde.net:1254 |
| 18:58.48 | MikeH_ | now I just need to wait for my server to come back online so I can try it with mono and XSP |
| 18:58.49 | jethro | tarzeau: ah too late, my guest is already at the door |
| 18:58.52 | jethro | tarzeau: my bad |
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| 18:59.17 | WhiteRabbit | MikeH_, I told it I was male & it concured with me |
| 18:59.21 | yarddog | omg |
| 18:59.33 | MikeH_ | WhiteRabbit: http://mikestatix.plus.com:81/aspx/test1a.txt <-- its only a simple script :P |
| 18:59.36 | yarddog | tarzeau: thank you, that worked, sheesh so easy but so frustrating |
| 18:59.47 | MikeH_ | just to use to test asp.net when i get it running on my machine |
| 18:59.48 | tarzeau | yarddog: learn also, awk :) |
| 18:59.53 | yarddog | yes |
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| 19:00.09 | Lynoure | eek, food |
| 19:00.11 | MikeH_ | and plus I want to learn it, it seems like its quite a desirable language to know c#/asp.net at the moment |
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| 19:00.38 | mops | how can I run something automatically as a ROOT when X is starting? |
| 19:00.58 | mops | I need this, because I need access permissions to file |
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| 19:01.21 | pack | when does proc get mounted in the init process? |
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| 19:02.01 | pipeline | pack: before and after pivot_root, I think |
| 19:02.17 | trying_hard | chealer: how can I set up my mouse for use in text mode? |
| 19:02.34 | Dss192 | anyone knows a adfilter for linux, like WEBWASHER? so i dont have to see all those ****** ads! thanks ! :D |
| 19:02.36 | linuxboyfriend | hi all |
| 19:02.39 | trying_hard | I'd like to #flood you the error file - or at least parts of it... |
| 19:02.50 | chealer | !tell trying_hard about gpm |
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| 19:02.52 | WhiteRabbit | trying_hard, http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 19:03.28 | mops | trying_hard: apt-get install gpm |
| 19:03.31 | chealer | trying_hard: hum, that was a debugging factoid, but you want to check the gpm package anyway. I'm in #flood |
| 19:03.38 | linuxboyfriend | these days i am thinking about to switch some other linux distro (from slackware), can you tell me the pros and crons of debian |
| 19:03.52 | chealer | !tell linuxboyfriend about why debian |
| 19:04.01 | mops | linuxboyfriend: debian has a GREAT packaging system |
| 19:04.09 | j_k | pack: /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs. |
| 19:04.20 | Dss192 | !tell Dss192 about why debian |
| 19:04.30 | chealer | !tell Dss192 about msg the bot |
| 19:04.32 | j_k | pack: which is called at the very beginning. |
| 19:04.44 | Dss192 | :P |
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| 19:04.59 | trying_hard | chealer: forgive me - you'll have to wait for a bit while I get the mouse working :) |
| 19:05.25 | linuxboyfriend | mops: which kernel version is using the latest debian |
| 19:05.26 | chealer | trying_hard: ok, no problem, I don't know how to paste in CLI myself |
| 19:05.44 | pipeline | linuxboyfriend: Debian isn't like slackware. You don't have periodic releases as often. |
| 19:05.45 | fumbalah | how would I go about setting my printer up, you may want to take a look at http://pastebin.com/291375 it could be some help of what to tell me to do |
| 19:05.51 | mops | linuxboyfriend: I thing sarge uses 2.6.8 by default |
| 19:05.54 | trying_hard | chealer: oh, whoopee. |
| 19:06.07 | mops | but you can compile on you own or download a kernel package |
| 19:06.08 | meff | i just did a fresh install of sarge and i can't seem to get the 'smooth' theme working in gnome, i've reinstalled the theme a couple times but no success.. anyone know a fix? |
| 19:06.11 | pipeline | linuxboyfriend: Releases in Debian come out every few years, and after that, they work their asses off to keep the version numbers frozen. |
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| 19:06.32 | pipeline | linuxboyfriend: Most people use "testing" on their desktops, which is not really a release, and is frequently updated |
| 19:06.32 | trying_hard | chealer: oh, whoopee. the mouse is locked in the top-right corner and is repeatedly copying those files. |
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| 19:06.57 | linuxboyfriend | mops: hmm that can suit me, also will you tell me which kde version is using and also is its installation is grafical or text based? |
| 19:07.15 | chealer | trying_hard: I can't help you with gpm |
| 19:07.36 | mops | linuxboyfriend: installation is PRIMITEVE - just type (in debian of course) apt-get install kde |
| 19:07.40 | mops | and you have it :) |
| 19:07.40 | chealer | linuxboyfriend: sarge (testing) has KDE 3.3.2 |
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| 19:08.15 | chealer | linuxboyfriend: or check #debian-kde, since the kde package could install more than you need |
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| 19:08.16 | trying_hard | chealer: ok. I'm giving up and going for a full reinstall :) |
| 19:08.20 | j_k | linuxboyfriend: and its installation is magical, just as for every package in Debian :-) |
| 19:08.28 | linuxboyfriend | chealer: and when will be the final version (stable) out? |
| 19:08.28 | chealer | trying_hard: ur |
| 19:08.38 | trying_hard | chealer: thank you very much for your help. I'll probably be back in a few hours. |
| 19:08.47 | mops | linuxboyfriend: that knows only god :) |
| 19:08.50 | rororo | linuxboyfriend: Installation is text-based, but quite easy to use for an experienced user. If you managed to install Slackware, you will also ba able to install Debian. |
| 19:08.51 | chealer | trying_hard: wouldn't it be more simple to put that errors file on the web or some workaround? |
| 19:09.03 | linuxboyfriend | mops: :) |
| 19:09.26 | chealer | linuxboyfriend: /topic (not a certain date though) |
| 19:09.26 | mops | linuxboyfriend: I had slack, but I think debian is more comfortable |
| 19:09.31 | trying_hard | chealer: nah. besides, i want to learn more about debian, and the install is certainly the way to go. Any other net-install cd you can reccommend, or should I stick to sarge? |
| 19:09.52 | linuxboyfriend | ok, can you prople tell me any link from where i can get very basic information about debian (other than debian.com) |
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| 19:10.05 | mops | www.debian.org :) |
| 19:10.09 | trying_hard | linuxboyfriend: debian.org hur hur |
| 19:10.14 | chealer | trying_hard: hum, what else would you use...there's only one netinstall for sarge i386 AFAIK |
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| 19:10.19 | mops | that's the authoritative site, not .com :) |
| 19:10.30 | trying_hard | chealer: ok. Thanks again. take care all. |
| 19:10.40 | shingouz | chealer: you could use the "normal" install cd's too |
| 19:10.46 | MrKeuner | hi, is there a way to compile firefox so that it uses gnome widgets when drawing form objects in HTML? |
| 19:10.53 | chealer | trying_hard: at least enjoy your reinstall, if you really do that :-P |
| 19:11.05 | trying_hard | chealer: have no fear. I certainly will :) |
| 19:11.06 | linuxboyfriend | no no i tried that too, any other? |
| 19:11.17 | trying_hard | chealer: (both enjoy and do). |
| 19:11.27 | mops | linuxboyfriend: so you didn't tried good :) |
| 19:11.28 | chealer | linuxboyfriend: what kind of info are you lacking? |
| 19:11.31 | rororo | linuxboyfriend: Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 19:11.32 | takatumi | linuxboyfriend: try qref.sourceforge.net |
| 19:12.36 | linuxboyfriend | rororo, takatumi: thanks |
| 19:12.40 | linuxboyfriend | see ya later |
| 19:12.46 | mops | bye |
| 19:13.50 | linuxboyfriend | bye |
| 19:13.57 | linuxboyfriend | exit |
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| 19:14.21 | meff | anyone have an idea on how to get gtk2-engines-smooth working on sarge? it won't show up in the theme chooser |
| 19:15.26 | scarynetworkguy | meff: What did you install? |
| 19:15.49 | meff | scarynetworkguy: gnome-desktop-environment and gtk2-engines-smooth |
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| 19:16.35 | linuxboyfriend | oh sorry i forgot to ask, what is the latest stable version of debian and how many CDs it have |
| 19:16.38 | linuxboyfriend | :) |
| 19:16.50 | takatumi | !d-i linuxboyfriend |
| 19:16.51 | dpkg | linuxboyfriend, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:16.55 | shingouz | linuxboyfriend: woody and 7 i think. you do want to get sarge though |
| 19:17.00 | scarynetworkguy | meff: And are you sure you are looking at 2.0 theme chooser? |
| 19:17.13 | chealer | linuxboyfriend: and not the full CD set |
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| 19:17.28 | adaker | hi i lost my partition table |
| 19:17.35 | adaker | anyway to recover my data? |
| 19:17.41 | tarzeau | gpart |
| 19:17.44 | meff | scarynetworkguy: there is only 1 chooser in gnome :) so yeah, and when i change a theme inside of it it changes the gtk2 apps.. |
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| 19:17.54 | chealer | linuxboyfriend: unless you really have no internet on you target machine, but is that really possible? |
| 19:18.03 | scarynetworkguy | meff: Oh Gnome shite. I have nfi in that case. |
| 19:18.05 | fdF | tarzeau: Dude, can i with tac remove 62 character from a file and how? |
| 19:18.06 | Dss192 | everyone has internet these days |
| 19:18.07 | Dss192 | :D |
| 19:18.08 | adaker | gpart? |
| 19:18.13 | Dss192 | gpart |
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| 19:18.21 | Dss192 | sourceforge.net |
| 19:18.23 | Dss192 | enter gpart |
| 19:18.28 | Dss192 | @search |
| 19:18.28 | ravenbird_ | try to use 'apt-cache search <regex>' instead of abusing the bots and flooding the channel. see also msg, or dpkg -S search, or `cat /var/lib/dpkg/available| grep Package| grep <blah>`, or http://packages.debian.org, or /msg dpkg find <thing> |
| 19:18.29 | adaker | tarzeau, that its like a parted frontend? |
| 19:18.38 | tarzeau | adaker: no a partition guesser |
| 19:18.45 | tarzeau | you said you lost your partition table |
| 19:18.49 | adaker | yes |
| 19:18.53 | linuxboyfriend | shingouz: i am a dialup user, i can not download everthing from internet, is that mean i have to get all the 7 CDs? |
| 19:18.56 | tarzeau | fdF: dude |
| 19:19.03 | tarzeau | fdF: learn sed and awk ;) |
| 19:19.05 | adaker | im going to check it out |
| 19:19.08 | tarzeau | fdF: i'm busy with bubbles |
| 19:19.10 | Dss192 | linuxboyfriend you dont need all 7 cds |
| 19:19.13 | tarzeau | http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 19:19.14 | mops | linuxboyfirend: no |
| 19:19.15 | Dss192 | use netinstall |
| 19:19.15 | adaker | do you know if knoppix has it? |
| 19:19.29 | fdF | tarzeau: cant you tell me this last one, then ill go read please :) |
| 19:19.35 | mops | linuxboyfriend: you download ONLY what you want or need with netinst |
| 19:19.37 | tarzeau | adaker: i know livecd.gnustep.org has it |
| 19:19.37 | shingouz | linuxboyfriend: get sarge even so. you can get it as a dvd too. check the debian website for "getting debian", you are able to buy the stuff too |
| 19:19.42 | linuxboyfriend | Dss192: then what is the purpose of 7 CDs |
| 19:19.46 | tarzeau | fdF: after the game, don't know off head |
| 19:20.07 | fdF | tarzeau: oki, ill ask in a hour? or soo? |
| 19:20.10 | Dss192 | the purpose is to have all stuff in your bag. someplace you dont have inet connection |
| 19:20.11 | Dss192 | :D |
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| 19:20.19 | WhiteRabbit | linuxboyfriend, to get people to say they wont them only to be told no you want the netinstall |
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| 19:20.39 | linuxboyfriend | mops: i am a dialup user, i can not download everyting form internet |
| 19:20.46 | tarzeau | fdF: yeah that's fine |
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| 19:20.54 | linuxboyfriend | mops: it means i have to get all the 7 CDs |
| 19:20.55 | tarzeau | fdF: from the end? of a specific file or where exactly? |
| 19:20.55 | pipeline | linuxboyfriend: The "net install" contains the minimal base system. |
| 19:20.58 | mops | linuxboyfriend: NO |
| 19:21.03 | Dss192 | omg... |
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| 19:21.07 | adaker | thx |
| 19:21.12 | mops | linuxboyfriend: you can download 100 MB install CD |
| 19:21.25 | mops | and then CHOOSE what to download and install |
| 19:21.25 | linuxboyfriend | mops: yeah i can |
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| 19:21.28 | Dss192 | the rest will be downlaoded form the inet |
| 19:21.31 | takatumi | linuxboyfriend: if you can get the base installed and your dial-up fired up, you can install the rest of the stuff off the net. (sarge CD1 should be all you need, and sarge comes on 14 CDs or so) |
| 19:21.34 | Dss192 | but ONLY the stuf you need |
| 19:21.38 | pipeline | linuxboyfriend: I think you're misunderstanding us. The small ISO contains the very most minimal base system. You'll have a working debian system with just that one tiny disc. |
| 19:21.42 | fdF | tarzeau: Well exactly if it can be done i want on line 2 that the first 62character of that line gets removed... |
| 19:22.11 | tarzeau | fdF: the other two bubble dragons quit.. so i can help you right now |
| 19:22.23 | fdF | tarzeau: sweet |
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| 19:22.46 | Dr_O | linuxboyfriend: if your on dial up you are best to BUY a set of CD's and have them sent to you then use your dialup connection to download security updates... If you can wait for thw post! else use netinst as everyone else has said! |
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| 19:23.19 | phanter | hello. I just made did a "sudo usermod -Gbin patrick". Now i cannot do sudo anymore... and no sound and ... Why is that wrong and how can I fix it ? |
| 19:23.21 | fdF | tarzeau: did you saw what i wrote? ;) |
| 19:23.28 | takatumi | linuxboyfriend: is it a winmodem? |
| 19:23.33 | tarzeau | fdF: yes |
| 19:23.39 | linuxboyfriend | pipeline: yeah u r rite, i want to install debian base system and along with it kde, office, and other daily use packages like xmms, gimp, etc thats why i am asking that do i have to buy all 7 CDs |
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| 19:23.44 | Dr_O | linuxboyfriend: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 19:23.49 | linuxboyfriend | takatumi: yeah :( |
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| 19:24.54 | linuxboyfriend | please keep in mind, uptill now i have just heard the name of debian, I haven't use it |
| 19:25.05 | linuxboyfriend | thats why i am getting confused |
| 19:25.08 | mops | so START! :) |
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| 19:25.11 | fdF | tarzeau: ? :D |
| 19:25.27 | tarzeau | fdF: i'm trying to figure how to print only the 62 first characters, wait |
| 19:25.35 | mops | linuxboyfriend: I have slackware for short time, but it wasn't so good like debian |
| 19:25.38 | fdF | tarzeau: thanks alot ! :D |
| 19:25.53 | mops | but many people say that debian is difficult |
| 19:25.58 | mops | but that's NOT true |
| 19:26.07 | takatumi | linuxboyfriend: it's a little difficult with a winmodem, netinstall won't work. get the full CD1 atleast. |
| 19:26.11 | mops | you must START and then it is easy |
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| 19:27.31 | hellfire | !gcc |
| 19:27.31 | dpkg | methinks gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection, http://gcc.gnu.org/, or #c, or a Microsoft-supported GPL project |
| 19:27.42 | linuxboyfriend | mops: now i will ask again, if only CD1 can satisfy me then whats the purpose of other CDs (noob) |
| 19:27.45 | linuxboyfriend | :) |
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| 19:27.48 | adexta | what are some mixers i can put in the toolbar? |
| 19:28.12 | hellfire | adexta: kmix |
| 19:28.18 | sparr | "A - S - C - Roman Numeral Two" <-- this is how a customer just said 'ASCII' to me when reading his screen |
| 19:28.20 | mops | so: there are A LOT |
| 19:28.24 | mops | of other apps and libs |
| 19:28.25 | Kerr | hmm.. my cdrom drive decided not to work. there is no cdrom in /dev, get told special device does not exist. |
| 19:28.32 | adexta | sparr: lol |
| 19:28.33 | adexta | adexter@rachel:~$ artsd |
| 19:28.34 | adexta | unix_connect: can't connect to server (unix:/tmp/mcop-adexter/localhost_localdomain-1128-4298c4b1) |
| 19:28.35 | mops | anyone else can you it |
| 19:28.36 | adexta | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 19:28.39 | adexta | device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such file or directory) |
| 19:28.40 | mops | you can freely choose |
| 19:28.45 | mops | which to use |
| 19:29.15 | Dr_O | linuxboyfriend: There are MANY packages in debian. CD1 will get you going... and contains MOST of the software you will want and need. Ther other CD's have less popular software on them that are also part of debian. |
| 19:29.51 | hellfire | linuxboyfriend: dont choose a OS by what it can do, but by what you want to do with it. |
| 19:29.57 | linuxboyfriend | Dr_O: thanks thats a good answer, now I wil buy only CD1, right |
| 19:29.57 | mops | linuxboyfriend: Dr_O said it VERY nice :) |
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| 19:30.41 | Dr_O | linuxboyfriend: If I were you I'd buy the whole set... or buy CD1 and an external hardware modem ;-) |
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| 19:30.54 | mops | hh :) |
| 19:31.04 | adexta | oh, i know why sound is broken atm |
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| 19:32.15 | linuxboyfriend | hellfire: i am going to give debian a try cuse i heard that apt-get is a good thing can make life easier |
| 19:32.29 | tarzeau | fdF: sorry dunno, it's just one file? |
| 19:32.35 | tarzeau | fdF: why don't you just an editor? |
| 19:32.42 | hellfire | linuxboyfriend: do so. |
| 19:32.45 | amorphix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.45 | dpkg | furrywolf is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 3813 messages. Is idling for 12h 39m 44s |
| 19:32.55 | fdF | tarzeau: one file, because it shall be done automatic in a script |
| 19:33.38 | ar3dam | hi there.... i need to compilte source, but, i dont have to make to build, what metapackage i need to compilate |
| 19:33.42 | linuxboyfriend | ok thanks all of you and bye again ;) |
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| 19:34.09 | yaccobb | how can I go to upper directory in mc without pageuping to '..' ? I can't find it in man, it's too huge... |
| 19:34.10 | WALoeIII | can anyone suggest a way to better manage the packages from the command line |
| 19:34.21 | Dr_O | linuxboyfriend: get sarge not woody |
| 19:34.26 | WALoeIII | right now i'm apt-getting everything but I can't remember what I have installed :\ |
| 19:34.31 | takatumi | WALoeIII: try aptitude |
| 19:34.38 | fdF | takatumi: :-/ |
| 19:34.44 | WALoeIII | and I want some way to associate all the libraries that go with apache so I can get rid of crap I don't use anymore |
| 19:34.52 | yaccobb | WALoeIII: synaptic |
| 19:34.52 | hellfire | yaccobb: type cd .. |
| 19:34.58 | takatumi | fdF: ? |
| 19:34.59 | hellfire | yaccobb: and hit enter |
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| 19:35.24 | linuxboyfriend | Dr_O: ok && thanks && bye && exit |
| 19:35.25 | Dr_O | linuxboyfriend: "sarge" is about to be released (probably next weekend) and you will get on MUCH better with "sarge" than "woody" |
| 19:35.47 | tarzeau | fdF: ok |
| 19:35.48 | adexta | okay, at the moment, sound kind of works. by "kind of works" i mean gaim plays sounds when set to "automatic" |
| 19:35.55 | Eclipser | I can't wait for etch |
| 19:36.02 | adexta | but amarok doesn't play music |
| 19:36.09 | amorphix | some people dont like the sounds |
| 19:36.19 | amorphix | some people find them irritating |
| 19:36.20 | linuxboyfriend | Dr_O: OK SIR |
| 19:36.35 | linuxboyfriend | Dr_O: as u wish :) |
| 19:36.37 | yaccobb | hellfire: heh, that's way too but... i suppose there isn't key for that. ok, thanks for the tip |
| 19:36.38 | Eclipser | !u |
| 19:36.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:36.47 | amorphix | some people find they drive them CrAzY |
| 19:36.56 | incorrect | is it possible to setup different routes depending where the traffic comes form, for example ssh'ing into external internface gets routed to an external interface, external traffic get routed thought an internal interface and a private network gateway |
| 19:37.04 | Kerr | I get mkdevcdrom.sh: BUG: node == NULL when trying to create /dev/cdrom (it dissapeared for some reason?) |
| 19:37.06 | fumbalah | anyone have any idea on my printer issue? |
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| 19:37.28 | Kerr | what went wrong? |
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| 19:38.03 | fdF | tarzeau: what do i do :-/ |
| 19:38.10 | tarzeau | fdF: sorry don't know yet |
| 19:38.31 | fdF | damn |
| 19:39.58 | shingouz | distcc cannot be this easy: 'distcc make-kpkg foo-bar'? |
| 19:39.58 | tarzeau | fdF: if it wasn't characters it would've been much easier |
| 19:40.03 | tarzeau | fdF: say if it was words |
| 19:40.18 | fdF | it has words |
| 19:40.18 | Kerr | ugh |
| 19:40.20 | fdF | and numbers |
| 19:40.22 | Kerr | ide fell out ~.~ |
| 19:40.38 | tarzeau | fdF: and can you say only the first 10 words instead of 62 characters? |
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| 19:42.11 | tarzeau | fdF: ok i have cut -b -62 /etc/motd |
| 19:42.15 | tarzeau | fdF: but you want this only on line 2 |
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| 19:43.10 | tarzeau | fdF: and we have: awk '{if (NR==2) print "MOO"; else print}' /etc/motd |
| 19:43.18 | tarzeau | fdF: now let me check how to call external programs from within awk |
| 19:43.19 | WALoeIII | uhh back |
| 19:43.28 | WALoeIII | is there a "how-to" or something for aptitude |
| 19:43.30 | WALoeIII | other than the man page |
| 19:43.34 | WALoeIII | so I can look at it while working :D |
| 19:43.40 | tarzeau | fdF: got it! |
| 19:43.53 | fdF | tarzeau: oki |
| 19:43.55 | fdF | tell me |
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| 19:46.19 | yaccobb | is it possible to delete recursively ? For example delete all files 'thumbs.db' in all directories and subdirectories under /etc/test ? Sorry for so simple questions but i am unable to translate man good enough to find out. What chanel should I use for those ? |
| 19:46.38 | amaldo | yaccobb: use find with the -exec option |
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| 19:47.12 | yaccobb | amaldo: can you do example please ? |
| 19:47.24 | initech | yaccobb: or find /etc/test/ -type f -name 'thumbs.db' | xargs rm -f |
| 19:47.54 | amaldo | yaccobb: find . -name "thumbs.db" -exec rm {} \; |
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| 19:48.39 | yaccobb | initech, amaldo : These shell tricks are great.... thank to you both. |
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| 19:49.10 | tarzeau | fdF: look it doesn't really work but that's what i ahve |
| 19:49.21 | tarzeau | fdF: awk '{if (NR==NR) system("echo" $0 " | cut -b -52 -"); else print}' /etc/motd |
| 19:49.31 | tarzeau | fdF: actually make that NR==2 |
| 19:49.43 | tarzeau | fdF: and -52 -> -62 |
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| 19:50.19 | smo_ | hi |
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| 19:51.31 | smo_ | how can i do to to stop dynamic dns in dhclient?? i want resolv.conf 's dns fixed if possible |
| 19:51.57 | tarzeau | smo_: chmod 000 /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 19:52.08 | jethro | smo_: man dhclient.conf |
| 19:52.22 | jethro | !lart tarzeau |
| 19:52.49 | tarzeau | jethro: thought you have a visitor? |
| 19:52.54 | jethro | indeed |
| 19:52.55 | jethro | :) |
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| 19:53.17 | ribnitz | hello again. |
| 19:53.18 | tarzeau | jethro: was she good at least? |
| 19:53.27 | jethro | she has a small breast |
| 19:53.31 | jethro | and she's still at home |
| 19:53.38 | tarzeau | jethro: only one? |
| 19:53.47 | ribnitz | A "simple app" like rsync is sucking up 180MB of memory, is that normal behaviour? |
| 19:53.50 | amaldo | smo_: Try the supersede option of resolv.conf: supersede domain-name "yourdomain"; and supersede domain-name-servers yourserver; |
| 19:53.50 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.51 | jethro | :p |
| 19:54.34 | tarzeau | ribnitz: is that a problem? got not enough ram? |
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| 19:54.53 | ribnitz | tarzeau: that other box only got 256.. |
| 19:54.58 | amaldo | smo_: That option would be in /etc/dhclient.conf... I need to drink some Coffee. |
| 19:55.04 | Dr_O | ribnitz: rsync does some prty clever stuff under the hood you know! |
| 19:55.28 | smo_ | i search it lol |
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| 19:55.47 | ribnitz | Dr_O: probably thats why it has been copying over stuff for the last 4 hrs.. |
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| 19:55.55 | yaccobb | ribnitz: java seemd sucked up 1300MB of memory one time... one never knows... |
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| 19:56.11 | E-bola | Does debian provide any utils to test a systems memory with? OR do anybody know of any utils that dont require booting of a cd or floppy to test the ram? |
| 19:56.13 | tarzeau | yaccobb: i doubt it does some pretty stuff though |
| 19:56.17 | ribnitz | yaccobb: java is special. |
| 19:56.23 | tarzeau | E-bola: yes |
| 19:56.29 | tarzeau | ribnitz: no, it's crap |
| 19:56.33 | yaccobb | ribnitz: heh, special is the right eord :-p |
| 19:56.41 | yaccobb | tarzeau: no, just azureus |
| 19:56.45 | amaldo | E-bola: apt-get install memtest86+, configure GRUB, LILO, etc, and reboot to it. |
| 19:56.55 | mysurfguide | Liable, Phated and Paulswm, I just came in to apologize for earlier, been a stressy day I can understand you guys were just trying to help out. |
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| 19:57.11 | Dr_O | ribnitz: Are you rsync-ing a large directroy recursivly? |
| 19:57.11 | Dr_O | ribnitz: if so then I think it is normal. |
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| 19:57.28 | tarzeau | ribnitz: tar would've sucked up less |
| 19:57.36 | tarzeau | ribnitz: but i told you how i'd have done it |
| 19:57.41 | E-bola | amaldo: i dont have local access atm, so i was looking for something that woudl test it fromt he command prompt |
| 19:57.41 | ribnitz | Dr_0: roughly 60gb over a 100 mbit/s lan. |
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| 19:58.22 | ribnitz | tarzeau: with rsync i had the "all in one solution". |
| 19:58.22 | amaldo | E-bola: Ouch. Never heard of an app to test it while the system is running the OS. |
| 19:58.31 | yaccobb | tarzeau: it probably only seemed so(i don't know i have 1300MB memory aviable), but it is fun to have 32 javas in memory, each about 60Mb;) I wonder why was that. |
| 19:58.56 | amaldo | yaccobb: you sure they weren't just threads sharing the same memory? |
| 19:58.57 | E-bola | amaldo: i know there are a tons of reasons why an offline test is better |
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| 19:59.07 | E-bola | it woudl just be more practical for me to do it remotely |
| 19:59.27 | ribnitz | yaccobb: 243 mb virt, 171mb "real". |
| 19:59.35 | yaccobb | amaldo: probably they was. |
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| 20:00.05 | yaccobb | ribnitz: what, java ? so much ?! |
| 20:00.17 | phaedrus_ | ***i heart debian*** |
| 20:00.22 | ribnitz | yaccobb: rsync. |
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| 20:00.39 | amaldo | E-bola: Maybe a Stress-test will do it. Try running bonnie++ on the hard-drive. That usually kills the system if RAM is not OK. |
| 20:00.42 | ribnitz | yaccobb: I had instances of a java process being assigned 1.8gb.. |
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| 20:01.03 | ribnitz | yaccobb: which is about the max you get on normal 32-bit linux systems. |
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| 20:01.25 | amaldo | E-bola: But you better have some way to reboot the system when it does... And I would backup my things before doing it... |
| 20:01.40 | ribnitz | E-bola: whats your prob, why do you suspec ram is not ok? |
| 20:01.48 | yaccobb | ribnitz: I don't undestand that too much so i can't tell. |
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| 20:02.19 | yaccobb | ribnitz: you use java so much ? many peolpe hate it for those well-known 3 reaseon... |
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| 20:02.27 | amaldo | E-bola: s/when it does/when it dies/ |
| 20:03.05 | ribnitz | yaccobb: On a 32 bit architecture, you can (lineraly) address 2^32 different "words". Which boils down to being 2 GB.. |
| 20:03.18 | tarzeau | ribnitz: no that'd be 4gb |
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| 20:03.38 | sylvainnn | Hello people, I have a problem independent of the particular Linux distribution: I can not read the flash memory, I am trying forom the command line. Maybe somebody is willing to help? |
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| 20:03.40 | tarzeau | ribnitz: you mean 31 bits |
| 20:03.42 | ribnitz | tarzeau: now take that thing signed.. |
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| 20:03.51 | tarzeau | ribnitz: who says it must be signed? |
| 20:04.06 | ribnitz | tarzeau: in our case, java does. |
| 20:04.10 | tarzeau | ribnitz: java sucks |
| 20:04.34 | ribnitz | tarzeau: in our case it was assigning for the "heapspace".. |
| 20:05.05 | amaldo | mmm, memory addressing will always be unsigned. It doesn't make sense to have a signed absolute memory address. |
| 20:05.16 | fdF | tarzeau: thanks alot many times for ya help :D |
| 20:05.25 | ribnitz | tarzeau: try explaining to new programmers the difference between int and Integer, byte and Byte... |
| 20:05.49 | tarzeau | ribnitz: WTF is Integer and the difference between byte and Byte? |
| 20:05.50 | tarzeau | ribnitz: what's the drugs called you eat? |
| 20:06.06 | ribnitz | tarzeau: you know them pink mushrooms? |
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| 20:06.24 | amaldo | sylvain: are you seeing the kernel report the flash memory when you plug it in? (run dmesg after connecting it, and see the last lines, they should say something about /dev/sda (or similar)) |
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| 20:07.25 | amaldo | sylvain: sorry, that was for sylvainnn. |
| 20:07.26 | xelon | Boot time of my computer takes so long. What can i do for this? |
| 20:07.32 | WiFiTux | Hi there, I was easily able to install My Epson RX500 but now, I need to install it or set it up to use it with the network. |
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| 20:07.35 | yaccobb | ribnitz: that's 16777216 TB for 64 bit.. impressive number. I wonder how long will it take to make it 'default';) |
| 20:07.40 | tarzeau | xelon: what exactly takes so long? |
| 20:07.42 | ribnitz | tarzeau: (java.lang.)Integer, is a 32 bit integer, int is a primitive datatype over the same range. Integer i=new Integer(1); is not the same as int i=1; |
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| 20:08.04 | tarzeau | ribnitz: that's java crap. i don't wanna know |
| 20:08.44 | xelon | tarzeau, it takes 2 minutes until kdm is worked!!! |
| 20:08.53 | tarzeau | xelon: haha , and you wonder? |
| 20:08.59 | tarzeau | xelon: remove kdm, /msg dpkg nodm |
| 20:09.04 | tarzeau | xelon: and you'll save 2 minutes |
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| 20:09.17 | smo_ | ok i used the prepend and supersede options in dhclient.conf , now i have dns and domain i specified and still dns coming from dhcp |
| 20:09.28 | tarzeau | ribnitz: seriously look what amaldo said |
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| 20:09.58 | ribnitz | tarzeau: ok. no worries. :) |
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| 20:10.30 | xelon | tarzeau, you get me wrong!!! When i power up the system, it takes 2 minutes to load the system |
| 20:10.48 | smo_ | or less |
| 20:10.50 | ribnitz | How workable is linux without /var? |
| 20:11.07 | arango | Does anyone have an idea of what is the fastest intel or amd cpu that you can run without a fan ? |
| 20:11.10 | ribnitz | can I launch an rsync without referring to /var/lib? |
| 20:11.11 | TwistedEmotions | deadcat: U there? |
| 20:11.28 | TwistedEmotions | !u |
| 20:11.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:11.36 | sylvainnn | amaldo: I got it away then re plugged, then ran dmesg and have the following:Additional sense: Not ready to ready change, medium may have changed |
| 20:11.36 | sylvainnn | sda: Write Protect is off |
| 20:11.36 | sylvainnn | sda: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 |
| 20:11.36 | sylvainnn | sda: assuming drive cache: write through |
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| 20:11.37 | amaldo | arango: with a big enough heatsink, they all do! |
| 20:11.38 | TwistedEmotions | dammit... I have to stop doing that |
| 20:11.47 | tarzeau | xelon: it'll be a bit faster without kdm |
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| 20:11.58 | john | !ne1 |
| 20:11.58 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 20:12.06 | xelon | my friend is using winXP on same system, it takes 30 seconds. there is something wrong!!! |
| 20:12.15 | mufa | !u |
| 20:12.15 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:12.16 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: what kinda drive is it? |
| 20:12.21 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 20:12.22 | xelon | tarzeau, my friend is using winXP on same system, it takes 30 seconds. there is something wrong!!! |
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| 20:12.31 | john | !wud |
| 20:12.32 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
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| 20:12.40 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: also unmount stuff before unplugging from ide or fw |
| 20:12.40 | john | haha, okay i'm done. |
| 20:12.42 | arango | amaldo: Even a prescott ? |
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| 20:12.55 | TwistedEmotions | Dude... g3 233mhz is freaking FAST... boot up with mac os 9.2 takes like 15 seconds.. |
| 20:13.28 | ribnitz | TwistedEmotions: thats because you dont have many extensions to load. |
| 20:13.41 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: flashmem jetflash transcend, what would you like to know more? |
| 20:13.47 | TwistedEmotions | ribnitz: yeah it's preety clean |
| 20:13.48 | amaldo | arango: theoretically yes: you could connect solder the sink to a big bar of steel, for example :) For practical sizes, it's a different story. |
| 20:14.02 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: it was never mounted |
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| 20:14.27 | amaldo | sylvainnn: try the following: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /cdrom |
| 20:14.27 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: thats some usb stick, yes? |
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| 20:15.17 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: usb sticks usually come preformatted with vfat. check with cfdisk |
| 20:15.24 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: I am pretty sure it is vfat |
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| 20:15.36 | sylvainnn | amaldo: /mnt/cdrom? |
| 20:15.50 | sylvainnn | amaldo: why?? |
| 20:15.53 | amaldo | sylvainnn: wherever, pick any mountpoint of choice. |
| 20:16.10 | xelon | When i reboot the system with "reboot" or "shutdown -r now", the system is frozen after the "System is restarting". Is there anybody know the solution? |
| 20:16.18 | smo_ | maybe verify hotplug and install discover |
| 20:16.33 | sylvainnn | amaldo: I did it already, what happens is that nothing moves and the command does not work, nor finishes |
| 20:17.04 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: got hotplug?- if so watch syslog while plugging the thing. |
| 20:17.18 | smo_ | y tail -f |
| 20:17.23 | tarzeau | !y |
| 20:17.24 | dpkg | [y] http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 20:17.27 | sylvainnn | hotplug? hmm donnow, tryin |
| 20:17.29 | amaldo | sylvainnn: I'm assuming that the USB stick has one partition (hence the 1 in /dev/sda1), and that it has a VFAT filesystem on it. You can also try with /dev/sda (no partitions, just a filesystem directly on the stick). Another thing to check is if the filesystem is ok (can you mount it somewhere else?) |
| 20:18.31 | sylvainnn | amaldo: I have chacked it with windows (it is his mother filesystem, ) everything OK |
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| 20:18.45 | sylvainnn | ribnitz apparently I get hotplug |
| 20:18.49 | sylvainnn | what should I do? |
| 20:18.54 | silverton | Is there a panel applet that will tell processor temperature? |
| 20:19.15 | tarzeau | silverton: i know one that can show harddisk temperature |
| 20:19.28 | xelon | HELP |
| 20:19.32 | silverton | they have one for hdd, but not processor? |
| 20:19.32 | tarzeau | !HELP |
| 20:19.47 | tarzeau | silverton: no idea about the processor one, maybe one exist. i don't know |
| 20:20.00 | tarzeau | silverton: wmhdplop can show the temperature... |
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| 20:20.57 | sylvainnn | amaldo: actually I tried with /dev/sda, since I did not have sda1. More than that I did not havd /dev/sda, and I created it |
| 20:20.58 | amaldo | silverton: wmsensors? wmtemp? gkrellm? |
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| 20:21.29 | amaldo | sylvainnn: You did not have /dev/sda ? How did you create it? |
| 20:21.39 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: try cfdisk /dev/sda (or wherever the thing is). there should be one partiion with type vfat.. |
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| 20:22.26 | sylvainnn | amaldo: # mknod /dev/sda b 8 0 |
| 20:23.09 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: I have said cfdisk /dev/sda |
| 20:23.15 | drac | My friend installed Debian, and he's getting this: http://pastebin.com/291417, so far we have tried Debian Kernel 2.4.27-2, 2.6.8-2, and self compiled and carefully chosen keyboard option (2.6.11.11, with make-kpkg). dpkg-reconfigure locales / console-data has been done correctly. He's getting this in dmesg (and messages). Nothing seems to be wrong in XFree86.0.log. Gnome hangs on Nautilus startup screen (most likely because of this). |
| 20:23.19 | amaldo | sylvain: that should be ok. You don't have devFS, right? |
| 20:23.37 | drac | He has an weird Microsoft keyboard + mouse combination. |
| 20:23.37 | nickv111 | xelon: Yelling makes people not want to help you. |
| 20:23.38 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: and --- silence. noth goes on |
| 20:23.52 | sylvainnn | amaldo: what is devFS |
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| 20:24.21 | arango | amaldo: I am thinking of a 1.8 GHz celeron (pentium 4 based), 400 FSB. Can this be runned with just a heatsink and no fan ? |
| 20:24.32 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: May 28 22:20:05 morgane kernel: sdg: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 20:24.35 | amaldo | sylvainnn: apt-cache show devfsd |
| 20:24.36 | ribnitz | May 28 22:20:05 morgane kernel: /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 |
| 20:24.38 | ribnitz | May 28 22:20:05 morgane kernel: Attached scsi removable disk sdg at scsi4, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 20:24.42 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: simly saying cfdisk showsh that cfdisk does not see the flash drive |
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| 20:25.14 | xiaogil | When I activate a wifi network with the command "iwconfig eth1 mode ad-hoc essid courambel key off; ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1", the network is destected by other wifi computer, but they can't access to the server of my computer (while this server is accessible when using ethernet cable), what can I do ? |
| 20:25.15 | rororo_ | drac: just ignore those messages |
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| 20:25.57 | xelon | nickv111, nice advice thanks |
| 20:25.57 | drac | rororo_: Bad advice. gnome-session hangs on this. |
| 20:26.04 | smo_ | set other pc in ad hoc too same essid |
| 20:26.29 | sylvainnn | amaldo: 1 moment, installong devFS |
| 20:26.29 | xiaogil | smo_: the other pc is on windows, while mine is on debian |
| 20:26.30 | smo_ | then try iwlist scanning to synchronize them |
| 20:26.34 | amaldo | arango: google a little and find out how much heat that celeron puts out (in Watts). Then you need to find a suitable heatsink for the application. Based on my experience, we are looking at a _big_ heatsink, maybe bigger than 10 CD cases put together. |
| 20:26.42 | amaldo | sylvainnn: no! |
| 20:26.48 | Eclipser | o.O |
| 20:26.49 | smo_ | set dns right too |
| 20:26.57 | Eclipser | major upgrade for sarge :o |
| 20:26.59 | xiaogil | smo_: how ? |
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| 20:27.02 | sylvainnn | amaldo: sorry, done already :( is it bad? |
| 20:27.05 | smo_ | call pv |
| 20:27.13 | Eclipser | Need to get 110MB of archives. |
| 20:27.14 | icenfaust | drac: :oo |
| 20:27.16 | amaldo | sylvainnn: It just complicates things... I was asking because it makes /dev/ dynamic, and then your mknod would not work. |
| 20:27.27 | sylvainnn | amaldo: aaa |
| 20:27.29 | TwistedEmotions | he isnt home |
| 20:27.36 | sylvainnn | Ok, but you know mknod did not help |
| 20:27.51 | amaldo | sylvainnn: It's alright, just de-install it. It would not run without rebooting anyways (and a kernel with support for default, or a boot-prompt option). |
| 20:27.56 | arango | amaldo: thanks |
| 20:28.13 | amorphix | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.14 | dpkg | furrywolf is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 3813 messages. Is idling for 13h 35m 13s |
| 20:28.19 | amaldo | sylvainnn: Funny thing... do you have all the necessary modules? |
| 20:28.32 | arango | amaldo: I am sick an tire of noisy and hot computers |
| 20:28.39 | xelon | that is the eleventh page on google. I think I am the one who is got this problem in the world. What a wonderful :o |
| 20:28.40 | amorphix | any Wacom pad gurus? |
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| 20:28.51 | arango | amaldo: My room is considerable hotter than all other rooms in my house |
| 20:29.01 | arango | amaldo: And the noise is distracting |
| 20:29.09 | sylvainnn | amaldo: well... ALL I do not know. Actually what happens, is that SOMETIMES it sees the flash without any help on my part, and sometimes nothing |
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| 20:29.25 | ribnitz | arango: there is no heater more efficient than a processor. |
| 20:29.29 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: how do I launch hotplug? |
| 20:30.08 | amaldo | arango: well, having no fan is not going to cool your room. That heat is coming out of the proc, and you basically want to let it out, or the thing will burn. |
| 20:30.12 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: /etc/init.d/hotplug start, if its installed, else apt-get install it. |
| 20:30.13 | E-bola | Can anybody tell me, or point me to some docs, that will tell me how to make dropped packets apaer in their own file and not /var/log/messages |
| 20:30.13 | E-bola | ? |
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| 20:31.06 | takatumi | ribnitz: he said distro independant. |
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| 20:31.41 | amaldo | arango: I would recommend getting a new silent case with a silent powersupply (you can buy them with a big-ass heatsink for about ~ $150). Get a silent CPU cooler, and get a video-card without fan (it's the noisiest part of my computer). |
| 20:32.10 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: and what should it give? |
| 20:32.41 | sylvainnn | I have said it in the command line, and it finished with saying nothing |
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| 20:32.56 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: when installed and started it shouild give syslog output similar to what I pasted, once you plug the stick in. |
| 20:33.04 | amaldo | sylvainnn: that's pretty strange... Maybe ribnitz is right, and hotplug is acting funny. |
| 20:33.38 | osh | what's a good dvd-rip frontend? |
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| 20:33.59 | amaldo | E-bola: configure /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 20:34.05 | ribnitz | osh: dvdrip; else use dvdbackup/growisofs. |
| 20:34.06 | amaldo | E-bola: info here: man syslog.conf |
| 20:34.08 | sylvainnn | ok, I shall now unplug and plug |
| 20:34.33 | Fleck | the best desktop manager, Windows manager for linux, and why ? |
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| 20:34.44 | tarzeau | Fleck: Window Maker |
| 20:34.55 | tarzeau | Fleck: looks good |
| 20:35.00 | osh | ribnitz: dvdrip, is that the same as dvd::rip? |
| 20:35.05 | Xuse | lool window maker sucks. |
| 20:35.11 | tarzeau | Xuse: why? |
| 20:35.12 | Fleck | tarzeau hmm don't think so, looks like win 3.1 ... |
| 20:35.16 | smo_ | lsusb sylvain?? |
| 20:35.21 | tarzeau | Fleck: bullshit |
| 20:35.28 | Xuse | It's ugly, that's enough reason not to use it. |
| 20:35.40 | Fleck | tarzeau ok :) give me your screen shot :)) |
| 20:35.44 | ribnitz | osh: yep, thats the package name for dvd::rip (in marillat) |
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| 20:36.03 | tarzeau | Fleck: www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/gnustep.jpg |
| 20:36.10 | Fleck | ok |
| 20:36.11 | osh | ribnitz: Thanks a lot. |
| 20:36.31 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: sorry, where should I seek for the syslog you mentioned? |
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| 20:36.50 | Fleck | tarzeau no no no, don't like it :( |
| 20:36.53 | Xuse | I'm sorry but thats awful looking. >_> |
| 20:37.03 | tarzeau | Xuse: it's beautiful |
| 20:37.20 | amorphix | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.21 | dpkg | furrywolf is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 3813 messages. Is idling for 13h 44m 21s |
| 20:37.36 | Xuse | lol |
| 20:37.43 | tarzeau | Fleck: you should not let you fool by your eyes |
| 20:37.52 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: open a terminal, in there (as root): tail -f /var/log/syslog, then plug the device and watch for some hotplug lines in syslog |
| 20:38.19 | Fleck | tarzeau :) i like, when everything looks great, themes, colors etc... :) |
| 20:38.34 | Fleck | i need icons on desktop :) |
| 20:38.34 | chealer | !tell amorphix about msg the bot |
| 20:38.50 | tarzeau | Fleck: YUCK |
| 20:38.54 | tarzeau | Fleck: go use Windows |
| 20:39.05 | Fleck | don't like windows |
| 20:39.12 | john | lol |
| 20:39.19 | Ronin | i see fluxbox isn't something Flecks going to like |
| 20:39.26 | smo_ | make ur own icons (links) |
| 20:39.27 | john | fluxbox is the best ;) |
| 20:39.37 | Fleck | Ronin :) i like flux/black box :) |
| 20:39.51 | ribnitz | Fleck: use kde or gnome, or gnustep (ask tarzeau). first two are pretty resource hungry. |
| 20:40.04 | Fleck | yeah i know |
| 20:40.05 | arango | Does Linux support CMI9739A audio chipset ? |
| 20:40.11 | Fleck | that's why am i asking |
| 20:40.26 | Fleck | well i like KDE, but it's big and slow |
| 20:40.33 | ribnitz | Fleck: so is gnome. |
| 20:40.34 | Xuse | use gnome |
| 20:40.42 | Xuse | it's easy on your eyes. |
| 20:40.55 | ribnitz | Fleck: XFCE4 is also an option. |
| 20:40.56 | amaldo | arango: www.google.com/linux -> search for CMI9739A |
| 20:41.01 | Fleck | heh that's the problem, gnome is not for me too... |
| 20:41.11 | Fleck | yeah i am on xfce now |
| 20:41.21 | Xuse | how can you not like gnome -_- |
| 20:41.28 | arango | amaldo: thanks |
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| 20:41.37 | ribnitz | Fleck: X is the thing I use to open terminal windows with. |
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| 20:41.54 | Fleck | ribnitz :)) |
| 20:42.22 | ribnitz | Fleck: If you want something completely different go with ion2.. |
| 20:42.37 | Fleck | what is ion2 ? |
| 20:42.43 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: nothing has changed in the output of the command you said. in the earlier lines I find May 29 00:44:36 localhost kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 20:43.08 | pizzux | is someone know about a icon laucher instead of idesk in xfce? |
| 20:43.48 | ribnitz | Fleck: http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/ |
| 20:44.07 | amorphix | chealer: hehe sorry |
| 20:44.08 | Xuse | Gnome still looks the best http://xs404.xs.to/pics/05216/Screenshot.jpeg ;p |
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| 20:44.12 | Fleck | ribnitz GUI is ugly ... |
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| 20:45.02 | ribnitz | Fleck: http://xwinman.org/ |
| 20:45.18 | ribnitz | Fleck: and I know ion isnt beautiful. |
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| 20:45.57 | Fleck | ribnitz uhh i know this page... |
| 20:46.12 | raf256 | anyone here with debian sarge, xfree, GeForce (best - 5 Fx) and recent NV drivers? |
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| 20:46.54 | Fleck | aight ribnitz and all, thanks :) fluxbox the best... yeah ? |
| 20:47.24 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: does you kernel support usb? (lsmod |grep usb), there should be at least usbcore, usbhid and possibly usb_storage) |
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| 20:47.47 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: a! good idea, let me check |
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| 20:48.38 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: but actually the answer is yes,wothout checknig: my printer is on uisb and it works |
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| 20:49.42 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: I have usbhid, usbcore, and usb_storage loaded. (mouse and stick on usb) |
| 20:49.50 | lucox | Error...does not have a valid LoadModule entry....subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 20 .... How can i REMOVE this package now ? |
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| 20:50.39 | shingoki | My /etc/samba is not even viewable except by root, I think this is causing me to be unable to view samba shares except as root |
| 20:50.45 | shingoki | Any idea what might be causing this? |
| 20:50.47 | chealer | lucox: which package? |
| 20:50.51 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: i have usbhid usb-storage scsi_mod usblp usbcore |
| 20:51.13 | lucox | some php5 but not from dexter but from dotweb - seems to be wrong ... |
| 20:51.15 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: you got debian, yes? |
| 20:51.27 | lucox | s/dotweb/dotdeb/ |
| 20:51.51 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: apt-get --reinstall install hotplug |
| 20:51.57 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: no! that is why from the beginning I put the question" system inde[endent" |
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| 20:52.18 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: oh. sorry. |
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| 20:52.40 | takatumi | sylvainnn: is sd_mod loaded? |
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| 20:53.08 | sylvainnn | hotplug updated |
| 20:53.10 | jannol | I wonder if there is anybody who could help me and test login on my ftp with ssl as I try to set up ssl |
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| 20:53.34 | sylvainnn | takatumi": what is sd_mod |
| 20:53.35 | incorrect | is there a gtk version of skype? |
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| 20:53.51 | lucox | chealer: do you know how to solve such a problems ? |
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| 20:54.12 | takatumi | sylvainnn: a kernel module. |
| 20:54.35 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: I also got a module called pci_hotplug (2.6.11 kernel) |
| 20:54.35 | chealer | lucox: I don't think, but if you're really looking for help, at least tell which command caused that |
| 20:55.03 | lucox | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.20 | shingoki | does anyone know why my /etc/samba directory would not be viewable except by root? |
| 20:55.23 | sylvainnn | takatumi: yes |
| 20:55.38 | bbrazil | shingoki: permissions |
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| 20:55.49 | shingoki | bbrazil, yup, but I didn't change permissions :( |
| 20:55.59 | shingoki | bbrazil, do you know what the permissions should be? |
| 20:56.07 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: lsmod |grep pci_hotplug gives nothing |
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| 20:56.17 | bbrazil | shingoki: 755 is what I'd use |
| 20:56.46 | chealer | lucox: try running the prerm script manually |
| 20:56.47 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: we are getting deeper. what mobo/proc do you have? |
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| 20:56.55 | chealer | lucox: to see what breaks |
| 20:56.56 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: and what kernel? |
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| 20:57.56 | nullix | qui maitrise sfdisk |
| 20:58.07 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: kernel 2.6.8 |
| 20:58.19 | sylvainnn | mobo/proc? - what is it |
| 20:58.30 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: motherboard, processor. |
| 20:58.33 | lucox | chealer: which one ? how can i get ? ... i see only that dpkg's binary not script calling other scripts - so how can i .... |
| 20:59.07 | chealer | lucox: what's your native language? |
| 20:59.13 | glick | excuse me how come when i try to start mozilla-firefox i get xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server and xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 20:59.18 | glick | and it doesnt start up |
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| 20:59.41 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: if you dfont know, its not that important. |
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| 21:00.00 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: ok ;))) mother: asus P4C800, proc: Intel 4 at 3.2 gig |
| 21:00.22 | jannol | I wonder if there is anybody who could offer me 5 min and help me with a test login on my ftp with ssl as I try to set up ssl |
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| 21:00.30 | Linuxs | Anyone know how to configure a Microphone in Debian? |
| 21:00.32 | lucox | chealer: slovak |
| 21:00.47 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: got same proc, mobo is some gigabyte.. |
| 21:00.53 | drgalaxy | how can I upgrade debconf from 1.0.32 to 1.2.35 on woody? |
| 21:01.11 | streuner | drgalaxy: upgrade to sarge |
| 21:01.16 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: it really puzzles me, from time to time it wqorks without any help on my side, and I have in icone :removable" in the panel, and sometimes like now, even the red small light on the stick idid no lit |
| 21:01.20 | streuner | !info debconf sarge |
| 21:01.22 | dpkg | debconf: (Debian configuration management system), section admin, is important. Version: 1.4.30.13 (sarge), Packaged size: 99 kB, Installed size: 1340 kB |
| 21:02.00 | Inglorion | i feel a bit silly for asking, but here goes anyway. I wrote some software which i would like to make easily available to debian users. i read several documents relating to building packages, but they mostly create binary packages. given that i only have a pc and a powermac, wouldn't it be useful to create source packages also? if so, how do i do that? |
| 21:02.00 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: have you ruled out the stick being faulty? |
| 21:02.03 | drgalaxy | streuner: I am trying to install a package from woody backports that requires debconf 1.2. I am trying to mimic a mail system that is already set up |
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| 21:02.17 | chealer | lucox: hum. I was talking about php5's prerm. you already have it. |
| 21:02.22 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: I have juet tried itr with Windows, no prob at all |
| 21:02.48 | streuner | drgalaxy: set those packages on hold and upgrade to sarge |
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| 21:02.56 | ribnitz | Inglorion: you crate and submit a "source package", autobuilder then builds the different architectures. |
| 21:02.56 | lucox | chealer: php5's prerm : preremove : where i can find it ? |
| 21:03.17 | streuner | drgalaxy: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:03.30 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: I suspect your hotplug does not work as it should. |
| 21:03.32 | chealer | lucox: look in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 21:03.48 | Inglorion | ribnitz: thanks...but what i don't know is how to actually build the source package. I'm sure the information is out there, but i can't seem to find the link |
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| 21:04.14 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: but OK, forget the hotplug. this is secondary. The mount /dev/sda does not work this is strange |
| 21:04.15 | lucox | chealer: ok i'm in script ... |
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| 21:04.49 | drgalaxy | streuner, on the machine I am copying it is 2.3.2.ds1-20 and on the machine I am working on it is 2.2.5-11.8 |
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| 21:05.10 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: what hotplug does is create the device inodes, and associate a name with them. |
| 21:05.27 | Inglorion | ribnitz: is it just the .dsc file? |
| 21:05.34 | streuner | drgalaxy: why you are hanging in #ubunto around? |
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| 21:05.47 | Overand | how can i grep without case sensitivity? |
| 21:05.50 | drgalaxy | streuner, my workstation is ubuntu |
| 21:05.56 | Gathond | Overand: -i |
| 21:05.56 | tarzeau | !ubuntu |
| 21:05.56 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu is ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. |
| 21:05.58 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: maybe I should reboot? i upgraded the hotplug |
| 21:06.07 | lucox | chealer : there is diabling mod_php5 for apache apche-ssl and apche-perl ... should i commment this ? |
| 21:06.07 | drgalaxy | streuner, the machine with the problems is a virtual machine under qemu |
| 21:06.24 | Dirk_Diggler | hi, where can I find the gtk-devel package for debian, I could not find it |
| 21:06.45 | streuner | Dirk_Diggler: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:06.46 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: no idea there. I can speak for debian, but not for other linuxes. |
| 21:07.01 | chealer | lucox: I don't know |
| 21:07.23 | sylvainnn | ok, ribnitz, many thanks I shall reboot in any case, |
| 21:07.39 | sylvainnn | and then see what happens |
| 21:08.13 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: if hotplug works you will see some lines appear in syslog once you plug in the device. |
| 21:08.44 | sylvainnn | ok, tryin |
| 21:08.47 | Overand | heh |
| 21:09.07 | Overand | i think ubuntu probably more closely relates to debian than an actor playing a doctor resembles a doctor... |
| 21:09.13 | Overand | and i've never even touched it |
| 21:09.21 | Dss192 | q |
| 21:09.53 | lucox | chealer : ok thanks : maybe solved ... |
| 21:09.55 | drgalaxy | ubuntu is hardly different than debian. The main differences are a few customizations and quicker release cycles |
| 21:10.01 | robin_sz | either way ubuntu != debian, we aint responsible for whatever mess they made of it |
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| 21:10.09 | ribnitz | Overand: Î think distro wars are silly, however I clearly state I dont know for xyz. |
| 21:10.23 | tarzeau | drgalaxy: and that it sucks |
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| 21:10.42 | ribnitz | tarzeau: havent yet tried it. worth trying? |
| 21:10.47 | drgalaxy | tarzeau: it all depends on your point of view and what you want to use it for |
| 21:10.48 | streuner | drgalaxy: we aren't care enough |
| 21:10.50 | apfel | Anyone familiar installing new mbrola voices for use with festival? |
| 21:10.54 | tarzeau | ribnitz: yes i tried. it sucked BADLY |
| 21:11.01 | tarzeau | drgalaxy: it sucked |
| 21:11.22 | drgalaxy | I am not here to talk about ubuntu or to debate it |
| 21:11.33 | drgalaxy | I'll leave that room if it bothers you all _that_ much |
| 21:11.34 | ribnitz | tarzeau: actually I distributed some of those cds, but mailny to convert people to linux. |
| 21:11.40 | zophyx | tarzeau: i don't think you are supposed to use it for that |
| 21:11.43 | streuner | leave now |
| 21:12.01 | streuner | drgalaxy: i told you just install sarge. |
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| 21:12.25 | robin_sz | will ubuntu run on win95 or do I need XP? |
| 21:12.31 | drgalaxy | streuner, that is not an option. I am setting up a copy of a live mail system so that I can modify some software on it. I must use the same software for test and for live |
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| 21:13.11 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i got sent 20 of them. |
| 21:13.16 | tarzeau | ribnitz: nobody wanted them at our lug ;) |
| 21:13.24 | ribnitz | drgalaxy: where I work, all boxes ( that are not windows) are debian (sarge). simplifies life enormously. |
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| 21:14.03 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: happier? |
| 21:14.12 | streuner | drgalaxy: many people use sarge |
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| 21:14.33 | drgalaxy | ribnitz, that is great and all, but my job right now is to make a test environment, develop a patch to postfix admin and then apply it to the live server |
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| 21:14.51 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: here I am ;)) rebooted , and get the following lines in syslog: a hell lot of stuff |
| 21:14.51 | drgalaxy | at theplanet.com you cannot get dedicated servers with sarge on them.. only woody |
| 21:14.56 | arango | amaldo: do you now any cheap and quiet power supply ? |
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| 21:15.17 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: dont paste here, paste to flood. |
| 21:15.49 | sylvainnn | I know , well basically it saysusb 5-2: device not accepting address 3, error -71 |
| 21:16.03 | rupertsw | Slightly newbie question: I want to use ftp.de.debian.org, but would like to get it's public key. What is it's name on the keyserver? |
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| 21:16.28 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: same thing with different slot (plug in somewhere else)? |
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| 21:16.52 | sylvainnn | at first it said what you pr0mised: assuming drive cachs write through , etc |
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| 21:17.22 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: ok, shall try |
| 21:17.39 | renzopp | hi |
| 21:17.48 | nebojsa | hi |
| 21:18.22 | renzopp | How add more words to console for not deformed de width that its |
| 21:18.51 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: well this hole seems better, I have a light, but: sda: read capacity faild , and again a whole hell lot of messages |
| 21:19.04 | sylvainnn | could I paste it all to you in the private? |
| 21:19.31 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: it does not say: error any more |
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| 21:20.14 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: http://pastebin.com, and then post url here |
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| 21:21.43 | knt | is it possible to specify dependency packages' version range, like: 2.13 <= x <= 3.12 |
| 21:21.56 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: now you can try cfdisk on the address indicated (like sdg in my case) |
| 21:22.17 | sylvainnn | http://pastebin.com/291447 ok? |
| 21:22.41 | rupertsw | Anyone know where to get the keyserver names of debian mirrors?? |
| 21:22.51 | rupertsw | (for gpg) |
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| 21:23.56 | sylvainnn | cfdisk /dev/sda : again nothing!! |
| 21:24.16 | chealer | knt: try apt-cache showpkg gaim-guifications |
| 21:24.21 | renzopp | How add more words to console for not deformed de width , to not used \ |
| 21:24.45 | chealer | knt: maybe apt-cache show gaim-guifications is clearer |
| 21:24.57 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: http://pastebin.com/291448 is mine. |
| 21:25.34 | knt | chealer, thanks. |
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| 21:26.41 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: yours is better :))) |
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| 21:27.15 | mysurfguide | Does anybody in here know if the old nintendo game "Contra" exists or remade for Linux?, like an emulator? |
| 21:27.59 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: personally I got no more ideas. sorry. |
| 21:28.13 | Jhair | mysurfguide, I think this needs a supernes emulator.. |
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| 21:28.17 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: but now it looksl ike we are better off. |
| 21:28.17 | tra1a1a | !fgi mysurfguide nintendo+contra+linux |
| 21:28.18 | dpkg | mysurfguide: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=nintendo+contra+linux |
| 21:28.50 | Jhair | mysurfguide, znes is probably what you are looking for |
| 21:28.53 | initech | mysurfguide: nostalgic for Reagan era crap are we? |
| 21:29.03 | mysurfguide | Ty Jhair will check it out |
| 21:29.07 | mysurfguide | hehe yeah initech |
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| 21:29.57 | sylvainnn | ribnitz: Ok, many thanks for your time and help, it seems indeed that something goes wrong with my systme |
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| 21:31.11 | ribnitz | sylvainnn: your welcome |
| 21:31.30 | richx | good night! |
| 21:31.49 | richx | is there any german debian-channel? |
| 21:31.55 | Jhair | yes |
| 21:32.06 | Shay | ~tell richx about german |
| 21:32.08 | simonrvn | #debian.de |
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| 21:32.46 | richx | ah, thank you very much! |
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| 21:33.26 | worki | hello, I have a problem with my mice. I use debian installation with kernel 2.6.11. I have two mice, the first one conntecs with my computer via USP (it doesn't work), the second mouse works, but its sensifity is to high.. in fact it doesn't work. |
| 21:34.24 | worki | the second mice (wich is on ps2) works.. but not properly |
| 21:34.32 | beardy | !doesn't work |
| 21:34.32 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 21:35.28 | worki | beardy: I mean the cursor doesn't move |
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| 21:35.47 | nano- | Hum.. I'm on a sparc64 with kernel-image-2.6.11, is there any way to force the kernel to use creator3d fb instead of the atyfb one? |
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| 21:35.58 | tra1a1a | work: check your X logs, google for the problems found there |
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| 21:36.05 | peery | what's the "correct" and "easy" way to manage, change, and view the services that run in the various runlevels in debain |
| 21:36.17 | nano- | The creator 3d/ffb fb doesn't even get initialized as fb1. |
| 21:36.19 | tra1a1a | worki: check your X logs, google for the problems found there |
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| 21:36.32 | beardy | worki: Are both mice connected and configured correctly? Do you want to use both mice in the same session, at the same time? (I presume you're meaning in X?) |
| 21:36.42 | tra1a1a | peery: update-rc.d |
| 21:37.04 | worki | tra1a1a: when my x doesn't work.. is little hardly to check in google |
| 21:37.11 | peery | tra1a1a: I tried that... how can I view what services are say at run-level 1 |
| 21:37.17 | beardy | worki: lynx www.google.com |
| 21:37.24 | tra1a1a | !redhat tools |
| 21:37.35 | worki | beardy: no, I'm not. |
| 21:37.55 | worki | I use only one mice. |
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| 21:38.13 | tra1a1a | worki: there is a variety of text browsers |
| 21:38.16 | DerSchotte | Where do I find the list of mirrors on a netinst CD ? I'm trying to add my local mirror in there, and I can't find it anywhere. |
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| 21:39.13 | tra1a1a | !red hat tools |
| 21:39.13 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat Tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. |
| 21:39.32 | tra1a1a | peery: the latest is for you |
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| 21:40.23 | tra1a1a | there is even an easier way - ls /etc/rc?.d |
| 21:40.26 | worki | Guys: why you think, everyone who comes here and ask an question which probably has easy answer |
| 21:40.42 | worki | i an idiot |
| 21:40.48 | worki | is an idiot |
| 21:41.02 | tra1a1a | worki: do you *really* want to know? |
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| 21:41.35 | worki | tra1a1a: keep your answer, it's not useful |
| 21:41.36 | worki | ! |
| 21:41.49 | worki | It doesn't help |
| 21:41.54 | demon | what's the difference between cdebootstrap and debootstrap? |
| 21:42.00 | beardy | worki: If you don't want answers, don't ask. |
| 21:42.04 | demon | other than one's written in C, the other isn't? |
| 21:42.37 | worki | beardy: if I dont want stupid aswers what I must to do |
| 21:42.58 | tra1a1a | worki: you must avoid asking stupid questions |
| 21:43.05 | beardy | worki: Don't ask stupid questions. |
| 21:43.08 | DaCa | demon: its a rewrite in C because the original had too many dependencies for debian-installer |
| 21:43.11 | worki | no no |
| 21:43.11 | worki | :) |
| 21:43.41 | worki | every question is caused by a problem |
| 21:43.45 | beardy | worki: But why are you asking these things, I don't see anyone saying you are an idiot? Did I miss anything? |
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| 21:44.16 | worki | stupid is this one who doesn't understand the question, does it ? |
| 21:45.26 | demon | DaCa: well, I just want an easy way, other than having to do the install-in-vmware, boot-in-single-user-mode, tar-out, blah blah blah dance to generate a basic debian image for use with Xen... I just did a quick google, and it looks like debootstrap installs certain packages that cdebootstrap doesn't that one might consider somewhat important |
| 21:45.33 | beardy | worki: No. Sometimes, very rare, that may be the case though. |
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| 21:46.01 | tra1a1a | worki: stay focused. You've been given an answer - follow it and stop whining. |
| 21:46.02 | worki | if you don't understand where is my problem in my question, please keep your stupid aswers away from me |
| 21:46.31 | worki | don't advice me to go to google.com |
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| 21:46.50 | ribnitz | Is there a benefit of using evms? (over lvm2)? |
| 21:47.11 | tra1a1a | !be google barbie |
| 21:47.11 | dpkg | I want to find pictures of naked chix0rz on google but I'm having real trouble.... |
| 21:47.22 | demon | DaCa: so for that kind of thing, would you say that debootstrap is probably a better bet? |
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| 21:48.17 | karsten | demon: chroot install via debootstrap is your best bet. |
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| 21:48.30 | DaCa | demon: certainly, cdebootstrap is a hack for d-i, better use debootstrap |
| 21:48.46 | worki | Is there someone who did has a problems with his optical mouse on X (KDE) |
| 21:48.46 | demon | k, thanks |
| 21:48.48 | f00bar | is there an equivalent to perl hash tables in stdc++? |
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| 21:49.01 | DerSchotte | I've unpacked all the initrd.gz's I can find, looked in apt package, googled until it's coming out of my ears, and I still can't find the initial "sources.list" on an install CD, where is it ? |
| 21:49.05 | masoft | worki, why ? |
| 21:49.08 | beardy | worki: You need to be more specific. |
| 21:49.15 | beardy | !tell worki about ask |
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| 21:49.28 | apfel | Does anyone know a program to synthesize japanese texts? (like festival does mainly for English texts) |
| 21:49.36 | worki | because, I have problems with my optical mouse. |
| 21:49.45 | karsten | f00bar: No. |
| 21:49.59 | masoft | worki, what's the problem ? |
| 21:50.03 | worki | beardy: I asked. |
| 21:50.04 | f00bar | karsten: hm, is there anything similar |
| 21:50.05 | masoft | worki, don't work at all ? |
| 21:50.12 | karsten | !tell worki about smart questions. |
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| 21:50.23 | karsten | f00bar: Well, you could roll your own.... |
| 21:50.36 | karsten | f00bar: There's a reason people invented high level scripting langauges. |
| 21:50.37 | worki | if you can see above |
| 21:50.40 | adaker | does grub save any info about the partition table? |
| 21:50.50 | f00bar | karsten: true, really I'm looking for a sparse array sort of thing |
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| 21:51.17 | DaCa | adaker: not afaict, why do you ask? |
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| 21:51.25 | f00bar | ideally I want something like STL vectors but with quick access via the index |
| 21:51.28 | masoft | adaker, until it will be in MBR, it's with your partitions informations |
| 21:51.36 | tra1a1a | f00bar: but it would be really hard for you to tell how is this related to #debian, wouldn't it? |
| 21:51.38 | worki | !tell karsten about patience |
| 21:51.48 | beardy | worki: Have you configured X to use your optical mouse? |
| 21:51.52 | beardy | worki: stop it |
| 21:51.56 | worki | ok |
| 21:52.00 | f00bar | tra1a1a: ha, of course this is highly related to debian ;) |
| 21:52.06 | karsten | f00bar: Prolly stuff like that. Perl (and Python, and awk ...) are ultimately coded in C, so yes, you can get there. |
| 21:52.07 | adaker | i have an accident and my partition table was lost :( |
| 21:52.15 | karsten | worki: Stop abusing the bots *and* pissing off the regulars. |
| 21:52.29 | adaker | now i recover the first partition /dev/hda1 |
| 21:52.37 | adaker | which holds the /boot |
| 21:52.39 | worki | karsten: you are ignored. have i nice chat. |
| 21:52.40 | f00bar | hm, I think I will look for something already in existance and if not do something myself |
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| 21:52.46 | f00bar | maybe boost? |
| 21:52.57 | adaker | and i dont remember the size of the rest partitions |
| 21:53.00 | TubaSoldier | I have just installed debian. Everything works fine exept my video. it is really jumpy when i play dvds and other videos. it is a compaq pc. but i installed a riva tnt 2 video card and the video is still jumpy. could anyone help me please? |
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| 21:53.21 | f00bar | TubaSoldier: what video driver is X using? |
| 21:53.22 | beardy | worki: You are really burning your ships real fast.. If you want help, be nice, and be patient. And read the answers you get. |
| 21:53.28 | masoft | adaker, didn't you change anything ? |
| 21:53.31 | adaker | i try gpart with no locl |
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| 21:53.36 | adaker | nop |
| 21:53.37 | TubaSoldier | how would i check that? |
| 21:53.42 | DaCa | adaker: tried gpart? |
| 21:53.50 | adaker | yes i try gpart |
| 21:53.51 | masoft | adaker, if you didn't just try to use testdisk |
| 21:53.54 | worki | ok beardy I will. calm down |
| 21:54.04 | adaker | masoft, testdisk? |
| 21:54.22 | masoft | adaker, yes, it's a great disk recovery tool |
| 21:54.26 | tra1a1a | tuba: you will want to enable xvideo for your card. Most probably it will require the nvidia binary drivers. |
| 21:54.33 | Anders1 | what is /dev/rd/0 in a non-devfs style /dev ? |
| 21:54.48 | adaker | i gong to try it |
| 21:54.49 | TubaSoldier | tra1a1a: thank you. i will give that a try... |
| 21:55.00 | adaker | one question |
| 21:55.01 | masoft | Anders1, it must be /dev/rd0 :P |
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| 21:55.07 | ribnitz | Anders1: looksl ike first removable disk. |
| 21:55.09 | MrNiceGuy | I want to know, is there somewhere in directories, file for configurate mouse settings |
| 21:55.15 | MrNiceGuy | ? |
| 21:55.22 | Anders1 | # ls /dev/rd* |
| 21:55.22 | Anders1 | ls: /dev/rd*: No such file or directory |
| 21:55.25 | Anders1 | hm, removable disk |
| 21:55.36 | adaker | if write the partition table againt whit fdisk, do i lose the data? |
| 21:55.43 | ribnitz | Anders1: aka "floppy" |
| 21:55.50 | tra1a1a | TubaSoldier: ask dpkg about nvidia one liner |
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| 21:55.55 | adaker | can i delete the partition info later and try again without lose data? |
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| 21:56.08 | xtension | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/3-Button-Mouse-10.html |
| 21:56.49 | xiaogil | is there a command that does this : if exists http://www.abc.com/myfile.html then wget http://www.abc.com/myfile.html ? |
| 21:57.14 | DaCa | adaker: fdisk will only write your MBR and extended partitions, you wont actually lose real data, you only could have more trouble locating it :) |
| 21:57.18 | Anders1 | why not just wget it, and look if wget gives you an error xiaogil |
| 21:58.21 | TubaSoldier | tra1a1a : I´m sorry. i´m fairly new to this. how do i ask dpkg? |
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| 21:58.44 | tra1a1a | TubaSoldier: /msg dpkg <question>. In your case /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 21:58.59 | TubaSoldier | thank you |
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| 22:01.00 | phaedrus_ | ne1 think i need spamassasin to startup when i boot debian? |
| 22:01.06 | phaedrus_ | what others can i rid of? |
| 22:01.47 | Xuse | i removed spamassasin too, but thats about it |
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| 22:02.40 | tra1a1a | !ne1 |
| 22:02.40 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
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| 22:03.06 | masoft | adaker, if you repartitioning, you lose your data |
| 22:03.24 | masoft | adaker, as I said, the best way is using testdisk |
| 22:03.32 | adaker | masoft, you sure? |
| 22:03.48 | leikh | i've googled for a guide on how to set up horde3 and imp4, but not much help out there. (apt-get install imp4 left me standind wondering what the hell just happened there) so, anyone know a guide for the debian package? |
| 22:04.09 | masoft | adaker, you don't lose data ! but after fdisk you will not have your data and can't use them |
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| 22:04.23 | masoft | adaker, testdisk make it possible to use your data |
| 22:05.00 | adaker | running fdisk now |
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| 22:05.13 | IronRoses | hello |
| 22:05.14 | tra1a1a | leikh: isn't there anything helpful in /usr/share/doc/imp4? |
| 22:05.17 | adaker | sory, running testdisk :) |
| 22:05.18 | masoft | adaker, (just format will lose your data ... like mkreiserfs) |
| 22:05.26 | adaker | sory, running testdisk :) |
| 22:05.26 | beardy | adaker: Have you "lost" a partition? (didn't see your original question) Testdisk is good, and works, I have successfully used it some times, on different computers, and it has worked very good. |
| 22:05.27 | IronRoses | how do #I activate USB2 for my exturnal hard drive? |
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| 22:06.19 | masoft | IronRoses, I think it's installed by default |
| 22:06.25 | IronRoses | really? |
| 22:06.41 | IronRoses | well, I just played a video off the hdd and it was going ever so slow |
| 22:06.49 | masoft | IronRoses, I think ! take a test |
| 22:07.06 | masoft | IronRoses, mount /dev/sda0 /mnt/usb ... ;) |
| 22:07.29 | IronRoses | dammit man, if i played a video off the hard drive, it's obvously gonna be mounted... |
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| 22:07.41 | IronRoses | i mean holy fuck!!! |
| 22:07.55 | tra1a1a | IronRoses: ckeck linux-usb.org |
| 22:08.00 | IronRoses | thanks |
| 22:08.37 | masoft | IronRoses, could you run lsusb ? |
| 22:09.08 | leikh | tra1a1a: i kind of thought i had to focus on horde3 first. and in the horde doc it just says i have to use the web configuration. usually i'd find it in /horde3, but i get no response. i added an alias in httpd.conf to this directory, but nothing... weird. |
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| 22:10.05 | gpm | hi. bbpager claims it can't connect to the window manager, but i am definitely running blackbox....what gives? |
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| 22:10.16 | masoft | karsten, did you see PIAT here early ? |
| 22:10.53 | tra1a1a | leikh: the only idea I have left is to check the bts |
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| 22:11.17 | leikh | tra1a1a: what is bts? |
| 22:11.24 | tra1a1a | !bts |
| 22:11.24 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 22:12.14 | adaker | one partition is lvm |
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| 22:12.48 | beardy | gpm: Do you get the same error if you restart blackbox? |
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| 22:13.14 | gpm | beardy: yeah. i've tried restarting blackbox with no luck. |
| 22:13.19 | leikh | tra1a1a: i don't think it's a bug. it's just that i'm an idiot. i've heard other having trouble setting up horde3 too, so i guess i'm assuming it's just cursing and tears that'll work. |
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| 22:14.42 | Ronin | leikh: ask and you shall receive http://bjorck.info/imp-howto.txt |
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| 22:15.45 | beardy | gpm: Have you updated blackbox or bbpager after the last time it worked correctly? (I don't run blackbox, so I don't know if it's one or two packages..) |
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| 22:17.23 | AppleBlossom | hello. everyone has forgotten the root password on my parents' debian box. i'm booted in now with a livecd - how do i modify passwd/shadow to delete the root password? do i just erase it from the files? |
| 22:17.44 | silverton | is that even possible? |
| 22:18.03 | AppleBlossom | i've done it before years ago, but i don't recall if i just delete the password or what |
| 22:18.16 | caphuso | AppleBlossom: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 22:19.37 | leikh | Ronin: allready looked at that page, and since much has changed since horde2, it's not of much help :-/ |
| 22:19.55 | adaker | testdisk and lvm? |
| 22:20.08 | AppleBlossom | caphuso, thanks |
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| 22:21.28 | oKtosiTe | During bootup, usb detection takes fairly long, about half my boottime goes up in it. Is there any way to speed things up? |
| 22:21.49 | Ronin | leikh: worked fine for me 2ish months ago |
| 22:21.49 | Xuse | just never reboot |
| 22:21.50 | Xuse | lol |
| 22:22.04 | tra1a1a | !lol |
| 22:22.05 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a LOLer. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 22:22.09 | beardy | oKtosiTe: You're only booting very seldom, so that's not a big problem, is it? |
| 22:22.24 | Xuse | heh |
| 22:22.45 | tra1a1a | oh, yeah - next time better thing before you type |
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| 22:23.04 | nn | yay for strippers. |
| 22:23.08 | oKtosiTe | beardy, no, I have one server, and one _noisy_ workstation, which I don't want to run at night. |
| 22:23.11 | Xuse | wow the rumours about this room are true. |
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| 22:23.48 | beardy | oKtosiTe: I don't know if there is another way to speed it up other than not have anything plugged in at boot.. |
| 22:24.07 | beardy | !room |
| 22:24.07 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 22:24.21 | xtension | LOL - Laughing Out Loud |
| 22:24.24 | adaker | testdisk and lvm? |
| 22:24.30 | sean_micken | i've ran alsaconf and made my emu10k1 card the primary card to use, but when i reboot it always uses my other sound card... |
| 22:24.42 | factotum | who is the gentleman who did the debian genie-bottle swirl illustration? does he have a site? |
| 22:24.46 | leikh | Ronin: ok :-) so you didn't get this error: Notice: Undefined index: kolab in /etc/horde/imp4/servers.php on line 277 ? |
| 22:25.14 | leikh | Ronin: changed it to my server, but still error. |
| 22:25.39 | tra1a1a | sean_micken: you will probably want to check the hotplug and it's blacklist |
| 22:26.17 | Ronin | leikh: nope i didnt' get that error, i cant help much as horde was too much for my needs and i went back to good ol squirrelmail |
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| 22:28.43 | leikh | Ronin: yes, i probably should just stick with squirrelmail. works fine. i just wanted to check out imp. not much love in the air yet. |
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| 22:31.09 | sean_micken | tra1a1a: should i add the module name for the card i don't want loaded in this blacklist file? |
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| 22:31.47 | r3tr0 | anyone know about an apt proxy for DLing f/ multiple upstreams? trying to set up a workable mirror cluster... |
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| 22:32.08 | karsten | r3tr0: Yes. That's how apt-proxy configs by defalt. |
| 22:32.14 | karsten | r3tr0: Default, even. |
| 22:32.34 | r3tr0 | uh... i was under the impression individual .debs were downloaded f/ a single source...? |
| 22:32.35 | sean_micken | tra1a1a: what's this /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base file? |
| 22:32.53 | karsten | Engrish lives! |
| 22:33.04 | tra1a1a | sean_micken: I don't know |
| 22:33.12 | simonrvn | heh, 'transgration' |
| 22:33.13 | r3tr0 | i looked at apt-torrent. i was thinking something like that, but maybe using HTTP continues... |
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| 22:33.27 | karsten | r3tr0: Individual debs *are* d/l'd from a single source. However apt-proxy can configure multiple sources from which to choose said single. |
| 22:33.29 | r3tr0 | i know it's overkill for like, a 30k .deb... |
| 22:33.41 | beardy | karsten: it's rives |
| 22:33.43 | karsten | r3tr0: You're looking for a BT apt client? |
| 22:34.00 | karsten | beardy: true. I bow to your gleatness. |
| 22:34.01 | adaker | could i recover a lvm group |
| 22:34.15 | karsten | r3tr0: No such critter AFAIK. |
| 22:34.18 | r3tr0 | mmm... sort of - here's the situation - have multiple servers on a fiber backbone - would like to set up a distributer mirror. |
| 22:34.40 | r3tr0 | torrent won't work - it chokes on /pool (looks innocently at ceiling) |
| 22:34.42 | simonrvn | s/er/or/ |
| 22:35.12 | karsten | r3tr0: What about apt-proxy *isn't* working for you now? |
| 22:35.38 | r3tr0 | karsten: this is an acedemic exercise - no complaints. |
| 22:36.13 | karsten | r3tr0: No, academic exercise ... |
| 22:36.26 | karsten | r3tr0: ... is doing curls with drafts of your dissertation. |
| 22:36.45 | r3tr0 | karsten: i /knew/ that looked wrong. was up all night with power outages... |
| 22:37.07 | Amp_God | Any of you happen to be in #dotgeek ? |
| 22:37.14 | simonrvn | no\ |
| 22:37.22 | r3tr0 | karsten: i just have access to several boxes on a high speed network, and would like to provide a distributed mirror - thought it'd be nifty. |
| 22:37.43 | Amp_God | im just wondering why i cant join there.. (banned) :/ .. 1st time ever on this irc network even :P |
| 22:37.49 | r3tr0 | karsten: guess i could just break it out by subdirectory... duh. |
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| 22:38.17 | tra1a1a | Amp_God: the correct quetion is "does anyone care about #dotgeek?" |
| 22:38.19 | simonrvn | Amp_God: talk to one of the ops. /msg chanserv access #channel list |
| 22:38.37 | Amp_God | tra1a1a: free php+mysql hosting there ;) |
| 22:38.47 | Amp_God | and i need one |
| 22:38.54 | karsten | r3tr0: dig into the apt-proxy guts. I think it's already doing rsync for a lot of its heavy lifting. On my skinny, itty, bitty pipe, it works. |
| 22:39.04 | simonrvn | Amp_God: hint: http://127.0.0.1/ |
| 22:39.09 | Amp_God | i cant do that |
| 22:39.12 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 22:39.16 | karsten | simonrvn: Mind the pocket lint, I've been saving that for a while. |
| 22:39.21 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 22:39.26 | Amp_God | because i want homepage for #Anime.fi @ EFNet & im firewalled :( |
| 22:39.45 | karsten | simonrvn: *warm* fuzzies. |
| 22:40.16 | simonrvn | warm is even worse ;p |
| 22:40.20 | nn | wow.. i go out for a weekend and miss about 95 calls and over 400 emaisl |
| 22:40.37 | streuner | haha |
| 22:40.45 | Amp_God | :D |
| 22:40.54 | Amp_God | good email traffic x) |
| 22:41.03 | Amp_God | 399 of em spam? |
| 22:41.04 | streuner | sure, i have double spam on my box ;-) |
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| 22:41.15 | r3tr0 | karsten: from where i stand, i have more control of the servers than the clients. i'm just running out of LVM space on my main mirror... that and it's doing all the cricket work for our backbone... he's a tired box... |
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| 22:41.51 | karsten | r3tr0: How does this mirror trick of yours solve that problem? |
| 22:41.57 | beardy | nn: You didn't miss anything. 90 of those calls were salesmen and people asking you strange questions about how much you drink, and how many cars you have. And all emails were spam. |
| 22:41.59 | simonrvn | yeh. my pt pro just got a break too. was running my personal desktop |
| 22:42.11 | nn | beardy: I wish :) there's filters in place for those |
| 22:42.16 | Amp_God | :) |
| 22:42.31 | nn | 8 of the missed calls were nasty voicemails from an ex who saw me with my lady today :) |
| 22:42.36 | r3tr0 | karsten: sorry. having trouble articulating. gleh. |
| 22:42.39 | Amp_God | Mozilla ThunderBird is just niiice prog with handling of spam =) |
| 22:42.49 | simonrvn | mutt + SA |
| 22:43.00 | nn | Amp_God: i use squirrelmail and isomail :) |
| 22:43.04 | Amp_God | x) |
| 22:43.06 | nn | since i'm always on the go |
| 22:43.11 | nn | imap is wonderful |
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| 22:43.31 | nn | Amp_God: why? It's great |
| 22:43.42 | nn | a bit of a pain to set up perfectly but once it's configured well it's lovely |
| 22:43.46 | simonrvn | likes* |
| 22:43.53 | Amp_God | because imap kinda forces you to save your mails @ the server -> no space :( |
| 22:43.53 | nn | i like storing my mail on a server w/ nightly backups |
| 22:44.06 | nn | Amp_God: you can expire old read mail, ya know? :) |
| 22:44.08 | Amp_God | especially with isp´s mail etc |
| 22:44.16 | r3tr0 | karsten: other boxes serving whole/part of the deb mirror distribute the disk-bound and network-bound load. yes/no? am i speaking in tongues? (checks tongue) |
| 22:44.20 | Amp_God | pop3 rul3s ;) |
| 22:44.24 | DaCa | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.32 | simonrvn | use fetchmail to get the isp mail, send to local imap account. done. |
| 22:44.36 | Amp_God | all mails @ own hd.. no way the space ends anytime soon ;) |
| 22:44.36 | nn | i have fetchmail get all of my various work/personal mailboxes and put them into folders in my mailbox, then run isomail and spamassassain |
| 22:44.36 | drgalaxy | real geeks read their email with rss |
| 22:44.40 | arango | any using LIRC for remote control ? |
| 22:44.41 | nn | simonrvn: Exa ctly! |
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| 22:44.55 | karsten | r3tr0: apt-proxy already supports the concept of peers. |
| 22:44.59 | nn | Amp_God: My own harddrives are my mail server's harddrives ;) |
| 22:45.06 | Amp_God | x) |
| 22:45.16 | nn | imap is nice for aggregating mail |
| 22:45.30 | Amp_God | i dont have intrest (yet) to setup imap mailserver to my box :P |
| 22:45.36 | r3tr0 | karsten: oh? hmm... okay. i'll bend over and read the manpage. sheesh. |
| 22:45.36 | nn | and i have a j2me imap client for my phone |
| 22:45.44 | simonrvn | gimme START_TLS + DIGEST-MD5 any day ;) |
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| 22:45.52 | Amp_God | everything else is kinda done already ;D [pop3, dhcpd, sshd, apache etc) |
| 22:45.57 | nn | simonrvn: Yea ;) |
| 22:46.09 | karsten | r3tr0: ...which may address what you're trying to do. If your main outbound-facing proxy is bound for space, reduce its retention policy, and have the inside boxes supply longer-lived archives. Note that you're balancing bandwidth for disk, and there's a level at which more storage really doesn't buy you much. |
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| 22:46.36 | chaps0063 | to get the latest software packages, what do I want my source list to have? |
| 22:46.43 | karsten | r3tr0: It's the 60 times you pull today's OOo update off the proxy that's your big win, not the one time you get each of 600 50k packages. |
| 22:46.44 | chaps0063 | testing/main? |
| 22:47.06 | karsten | r3tr0: Mind, I don't actually use it that way, but It Can Be Done, or so I hear. |
| 22:47.09 | tarzeau | chaps0063: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 22:47.09 | stupidkid | how do i force remove xdm without their independencies packages? |
| 22:47.11 | Amp_God | what dist(s) are you using? [i use sarge x)] |
| 22:47.15 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 22:47.15 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 22:47.30 | tarzeau | chaps0063: no that's not the latest |
| 22:47.41 | tarzeau | !nodm |
| 22:47.41 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 22:47.42 | r3tr0 | karsten: ungh. (hourglass in eyes tips over several times) Processing... |
| 22:47.50 | chaps0063 | tarzeau: what should I have then? |
| 22:47.57 | tarzeau | chaps0063: i told you. read |
| 22:47.59 | Amp_God | apt: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 102 not upgraded. |
| 22:48.02 | Amp_God | x) |
| 22:48.05 | chaps0063 | ij, |
| 22:48.05 | chaps0063 | ok |
| 22:48.18 | stupidkid | tarzeau, but if i remove xdm it will also remove x-window-system |
| 22:48.24 | stupidkid | how do i only remove xdm |
| 22:48.30 | tarzeau | stupidkid: so? x-window-system is only a metapackage |
| 22:48.35 | chaps0063 | does anyone have a tabletpc working with debian in here? |
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| 22:48.38 | stupidkid | oh |
| 22:48.40 | stupidkid | i dont need it? |
| 22:48.40 | tarzeau | stupidkid: read what dpkg said |
| 22:48.52 | tarzeau | stupidkid: if it's only x-window-system, no |
| 22:48.53 | r3tr0 | karsten: DING - got it. |
| 22:49.10 | WiFiTux | hhmm mozilla-vlc plugin is kicking my CPU to 100% and moving it from 51 C to 72 C until almost lock |
| 22:49.14 | stupidkid | oh i get it |
| 22:49.16 | stupidkid | thanks tarzeau |
| 22:49.28 | tarzeau | !nickometer r3tr0 |
| 22:49.29 | dpkg | 'r3tr0' is 99.570% lame, tarzeau |
| 22:49.44 | r3tr0 | karsten: very cool - i'm sure there's a stats page somewhere w/ most recently updated packages, so i can do a breakout that's apropos? |
| 22:50.08 | tra1a1a | WiFiTux: I guess you cpu sucks then. |
| 22:50.14 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: i'd say the software sucks then. |
| 22:50.25 | WiFiTux | tra1a1a, you are an idiot. |
| 22:50.34 | karsten | r3tr0: Um. I may have been lying about peers. |
| 22:50.40 | WiFiTux | tarzeau, hhmm I wonder which package could be the one causing it... |
| 22:50.45 | WiFiTux | so that I can check the bugs |
| 22:50.49 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: checked bts yet? |
| 22:51.01 | r3tr0 | karsten: do you mod your Packages.gz to point to the peers then? hey... i'll read the docs, that's fine. just curious. |
| 22:51.06 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: nothing happens if the cpu gets used 100% by other software? |
| 22:51.30 | karsten | r3tr0: No. I don't think apt-proxy supports peers. I was thinking squid. |
| 22:51.47 | tra1a1a | WiFiTux: maybe, but I know the kind of cpus I should use |
| 22:51.49 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: i don't need mozilla, nor vlc |
| 22:51.55 | karsten | r3tr0: No, there's no need to mod packages. You point /etc/apt/sources.list at your apt-proxy server. |
| 22:51.56 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: does it happen on a certain webpage? |
| 22:52.21 | karsten | r3tr0: Locally, that's '/aptproxy:9999/'. So, eg: deb http://aptproxy:9999/main stable main contrib non-free |
| 22:52.30 | karsten | r3tr0: ...and aptproxy is defined locally in DNS> |
| 22:52.33 | WiFiTux | tarzeau, regardless of what people use or think, I'm looking for which package might be the one causing this. After all vlc should just stream the file.. |
| 22:52.49 | r3tr0 | karsten: gotcha. sounds like apt-cacher |
| 22:53.06 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: i've seen a few plugins berserk in mozilla, but not without mozilla |
| 22:53.17 | tarzeau | WiFiTux: i think mozilla is majorly broken |
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| 22:53.26 | karsten | r3tr0: Apparently similar. |
| 22:53.31 | WiFiTux | tarzeau, the package is mozilla-vlc I think |
| 22:53.49 | chaps0063 | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 22:53.56 | WiFiTux | mozilla-plugin-vlc |
| 22:53.58 | WiFiTux | cool |
| 22:53.59 | r3tr0 | karsten: i'm sort of trying to avoid that network bottleneck - but i like the idea of breaking out packages. i can put, like all the /libs on one box, etc. |
| 22:54.02 | karsten | r3tr0: I haven't used apt-cacher at all. |
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| 22:54.28 | r3tr0 | karsten: just a problem handing off the apt-sources to everyone so everybody can find everything... |
| 22:54.36 | chaps0063 | is kde 3.3 available through apt-get |
| 22:54.37 | chaps0063 | ? |
| 22:54.37 | karsten | r3tr0: What's your bottleneck concern? A bunch of clients hitting one proxy server? |
| 22:54.44 | tarzeau | chaps0063: i think so |
| 22:54.45 | r3tr0 | karsten: i use it here at home (where there be no fiber...) |
| 22:54.50 | karsten | r3tr0: And how many clients do you have? |
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| 22:55.21 | tra1a1a | chaps0063: man apt-cache, focus on search, show, showpkg |
| 22:55.23 | r3tr0 | karsten: yeah. we don't have exactly resounding boxes lying around. the mirror is a proliant right now (chuckle) |
| 22:55.29 | karsten | r3tr0: Note: your limit is really the level at which you're serving on LAN from disk slower than you could pull from external net. |
| 22:55.36 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | is it easy to do a net install of debian ? |
| 22:55.38 | karsten | r3tr0: Mine is a P-200 96 MB. |
| 22:55.44 | tarzeau | Pop_pa_FrEaK: depends on the architecture |
| 22:55.45 | karsten | Pop_pa_FrEaK: Yes. |
| 22:55.52 | karsten | Pop_pa_FrEaK: ...generally, it's recommended. |
| 22:55.53 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | i306 |
| 22:55.56 | tarzeau | karsten: ever tried an old-world mac? |
| 22:55.58 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | i386 |
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| 22:56.05 | karsten | tarzeau: Note weaseling. |
| 22:56.05 | tarzeau | Pop_pa_FrEaK: yes that's easy |
| 22:56.21 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | k using ubuntu on main but was looking to try out debain on my secondary pc |
| 22:56.28 | tarzeau | !ubuntu |
| 22:56.28 | dpkg | somebody said ubuntu was ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. |
| 22:56.48 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | lol |
| 22:56.55 | beardy | !lol |
| 22:56.55 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a porn star. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 22:56.56 | tra1a1a | aaah |
| 22:57.02 | tarzeau | !lolstats |
| 22:57.24 | mousex | what do I need to make and burn a movie DVD? I installed k3b and all the dvd tools (inluding dvdauthor) available in Debian, and I've got a DVD-/+rw drive |
| 22:57.29 | r3tr0 | karsten: well, i'd like to open this up to a /lot/ of people, because we have a HUGE pipe, but i'd like to smear the load around. doing it in a totally hacked-up manner that's ass-backwards gets extra points. |
| 22:57.31 | karsten | r3tr0: Anyhow: you can serve to your disk limit, _plus_ whatever bonus your disk cache buys you. If you need more local BW, you can set up multiple proxies and round-robin them locally in DNS. You'll end up pulling from multiple sources. Despite all I've said about peers and backends, I _think_ you can have the proxies use one another for backends. |
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| 22:58.14 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | k downloading the mini iso for net install |
| 22:58.14 | r3tr0 | (unk) |
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| 22:59.09 | karsten | Pop_pa_FrEaK: Ubuntu and Debian are pretty similar, in most regards, though Ubuntu's desktop polish is somewhat specific to it. |
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| 22:59.11 | tra1a1a | Pop_pa_FrEaK: if you think of asking installation quesions here be sure to check /msg dpkg d-i first |
| 22:59.20 | karsten | @wb r3tr0 |
| 22:59.21 | ravenbird_ | Welcome back r3tr0, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 22:59.42 | r3tr0 | i seem to have all the IRC acumen of a 12 year old today. |
| 23:00.04 | r3tr0 | don't tempt me. |
| 23:00.17 | tarzeau | r3tr0: a/s/l? |
| 23:00.32 | tra1a1a | :) |
| 23:00.35 | r3tr0 | lol! |
| 23:00.44 | tra1a1a | !alert |
| 23:00.44 | dpkg | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 23:00.46 | karsten | r3tr0: Yeah, here's a sample. My apt-proxy.conf has as its first backend: $APT_PROXY_CACHE/debian/ \ |
| 23:00.59 | karsten | r3tr0: ...which is the local /var/cache/apt-proxy/. So basically, it tests itself first. |
| 23:01.05 | raf256 | hi, I wonder - is it a good idea to enable HPET while recompiling kernel? |
| 23:01.06 | chaps0063 | does anyone have debian working on a tablet? |
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| 23:01.26 | tarzeau | !anyone |
| 23:01.26 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 23:01.27 | tra1a1a | !anyone know |
| 23:01.27 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
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| 23:02.06 | r3tr0 | karsten: looking at apt-cache show apt-proxy... |
| 23:02.28 | r3tr0 | karsten: does this thing do any sort of cron sync, or is it all on-demand? |
| 23:02.53 | karsten | r3tr0: Say you had 5 proxy servers set up, with CNAMES (DNS stuff, ask if you don't follow), say: aptproxy1, aptproxy2, aptproxy3, aptproxy4, aptproxy5, and also each CNAMED to aptproxy. First backend in each is 'aptproxy1', which means _that_ proxy generally has everything on it, but the others will fetch from elsewhere. Maybe. |
| 23:03.03 | karsten | r3tr0: It's on demand. inetd / xinetd. |
| 23:03.22 | karsten | r3tr0: You can set the refresh interval, in minutes. Mine is 770 minutes == 12 hours. |
| 23:03.49 | karsten | r3tr0: So regardless of how many requests are made, a new package or packagelist is d/l'd no more frequently than once in 12 hrs. |
| 23:03.52 | r3tr0 | karsten: schweet. self organizing. very smart. |
| 23:04.14 | r3tr0 | karsten: i hear you. sort of a bubble sort thing going on there. |
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| 23:04.34 | mousex | !divx |
| 23:04.34 | dpkg | well, divx is de-encoded with xmps under linux, or http://divx.ctw.cc, or a new video compression system that takes up 15% of the space of some other video compression algorithm :o), or xine will work too with divxc32.dll, or http://thot.banki.hu/mp-ftp/releases/w32codec.zip Please use XviD instead (not OpenDivX nor DivX4) |
| 23:05.03 | r3tr0 | karsten: i'll look into it. (installs on box at work...) |
| 23:05.25 | tarzeau | r3tr0: bubble? |
| 23:05.36 | karsten | r3tr0: Sort of. The other alternative is *not* to link the individual proxy servers. The individual boxes will just hit the backends then, as needed. You'll get pretty good caching at that rate, lose a tad bit of throughput. |
| 23:05.40 | tarzeau | r3tr0: if you like bubbles, play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net and be sure to be in #bub-n-bros |
| 23:06.03 | r3tr0 | karsten: this written in python? |
| 23:06.06 | karsten | r3tr0: Alternatively, set up aptproxy1 *only* to be hit by aptproxy2-5. |
| 23:06.09 | karsten | r3tr0: Yeah, I think |
| 23:06.25 | r3tr0 | karsten: good deal. yeah, it's dragging in a lot of python deps. |
| 23:06.57 | karsten | r3tr0: Hrm. ash script. |
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| 23:07.45 | r3tr0 | karsten: file /usr/sbin/apt-proxy: python script, exe |
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| 23:08.07 | karsten | r3tr0: What version? |
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| 23:08.25 | karsten | $ file /usr/sbin/apt-proxy: /usr/sbin/apt-proxy: a /bin/ash script text executable |
| 23:08.26 | r3tr0 | karsten: this is .deb unstable, i believe. |
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| 23:08.46 | omi_ | an |
| 23:08.49 | karsten | r3tr0: APT_PROXY_VERSION=1.3.0 |
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| 23:09.20 | neoXite | in which debian package do i find setuidgid? |
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| 23:09.42 | simonrvn | neoXite: what? |
| 23:09.48 | simonrvn | neoXite: info chmod |
| 23:09.54 | r3tr0 | karsten: (laughing) apt-proxy --version : AttributeError |
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| 23:10.06 | r3tr0 | karsten: the manpage says it's V2 something-or-other |
| 23:10.07 | karsten | r3tr0: That's an interesting version.... |
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| 23:10.21 | karsten | r3tr0: Yeah, I've heard tell of same, with problems, haven't been there myself. |
| 23:10.21 | neoXite | im missing the setuidgid command in sarge |
| 23:10.28 | karsten | neoXite: man chmod |
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| 23:10.59 | jethro | neoXite: there is no such command. |
| 23:11.06 | neoXite | hmm |
| 23:11.23 | r3tr0 | neoXite: debian.org has a search-within-package page? |
| 23:11.36 | tarzeau | r3tr0: yes packages.d.o |
| 23:11.41 | jethro | neoXite: you use chmod to set the setuid or setgid. info chmod or man chmod, as suggested by karsten and simonrvn |
| 23:11.51 | karsten | neoXite: Permissions are four octal digits. First value == suid/sgid/sticky |
| 23:12.01 | neoXite | but isnt chmod for changing file permissions? |
| 23:12.16 | karsten | r3tr0: Or aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo |
| 23:12.24 | jethro | neoXite: setuid/setgid is one of them |
| 23:12.28 | karsten | neoXite: SUID/SGID *are* file permissions. |
| 23:12.32 | neoXite | i want to run a program as a different user, and a general howto speaks of using setuidgid |
| 23:12.46 | r3tr0 | karsten: haven't messed w/ aptitude - too ncurses-y |
| 23:12.54 | neoXite | for running a process as a different user |
| 23:13.12 | karsten | neoXite: You can _either_: set the SUID/SGID bit on the executable in question. Doesn't work for shell scripts, BTW. *OR* use a command such as sudo or su. |
| 23:13.13 | jethro | neoXite: that's sudo's job. don't mess with suid/sgid |
| 23:13.21 | karsten | r3tr0: It's CLI too. |
| 23:13.26 | neoXite | okay |
| 23:13.29 | karsten | !tell r3tr0 about aptitude. |
| 23:13.40 | chaps0063 | I just installed kde, how from the command line can I call up the login window? |
| 23:13.41 | r3tr0 | karsten: i assumed so - i just haven't gotten around to it. |
| 23:13.44 | karsten | r3tr0: It logs actions, which is a major bonus. |
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| 23:13.51 | karsten | r3tr0: Same syntax as apt-get. |
| 23:13.54 | r3tr0 | karsten: okay, so sell me. |
| 23:14.04 | karsten | r3tr0: Read the link in dpkg's factoid. |
| 23:14.08 | paulswm | !fruitsmite jethro |
| 23:14.15 | paulswm | Hi jethro :) |
| 23:14.18 | jethro | hi paulswm :) |
| 23:14.20 | karsten | paulswm: Oi. |
| 23:14.23 | r3tr0 | karsten: oh hey, but that's what subversion's for! |
| 23:14.32 | karsten | !fishsmite paulswm |
| 23:14.33 | jethro | !irritate paulswm |
| 23:14.34 | dpkg | paulswm: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound hello? |
| 23:14.42 | paulswm | Hi karsten ! |
| 23:14.51 | osh | !plz |
| 23:14.51 | dpkg | methinks plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 23:14.57 | paulswm | You guys, no I am a bit stinky. |
| 23:15.01 | paulswm | now |
| 23:15.11 | jethro | stinky? |
| 23:15.44 | paulswm | jethro: a fishsmite will do that to you |
| 23:15.51 | jethro | ah, didn't get that |
| 23:16.17 | jethro | I was way too focused on irritating you with the help of dpkg |
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| 23:17.00 | chaps0063 | how do I get into the gui after I installed kde? |
| 23:17.08 | paulswm | jethro: Hey, a qotd that I missed becasue it was misdefined as'!qotd' instead of 'qotd', now fixed:... |
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| 23:17.11 | paulswm | qotd77 |
| 23:17.13 | paulswm | !qotd77 |
| 23:17.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd77 is <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
| 23:17.29 | karsten | Heh. |
| 23:17.30 | jethro | heh |
| 23:17.37 | karsten | !gentoo |
| 23:17.38 | dpkg | hmm... gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 |
| 23:17.44 | jethro | !gentoosmite paulswm |
| 23:17.52 | WiFiTux | someone knows how to add a network printer via smb? The local PC with the printer has Windows. But that printer works for me perfect locally. |
| 23:17.55 | karsten | dpkg: gentoo is also rice rice rice rice |
| 23:17.55 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
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| 23:18.07 | paulswm | Good, last time I was smitten I was running 7% slower. |
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| 23:18.25 | Dondurma | how can i ask debian bot |
| 23:18.30 | jethro | paulswm: why are you complaining then |
| 23:18.46 | paulswm | jethro: I'm not :) |
| 23:18.47 | jethro | nm |
| 23:18.51 | karsten | WiFiTux: cups. The printer is served on a Windows system? It's smb://<printername>/ IIRC. |
| 23:19.00 | karsten | Dondurma: /msg dpkg foo |
| 23:19.01 | WiFiTux | Dondurma, with a ! in front, but you can do !listkeys whatever |
| 23:19.05 | Dondurma | :) |
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| 23:19.15 | Dondurma | how i can , |
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| 23:19.17 | Dondurma | ? |
| 23:19.17 | jethro | !wb pingouin |
| 23:19.18 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! pingouin has returned! |
| 23:19.23 | kooldeb | hi all. when I do an apt-get upgrade, I get the following: Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 23:19.24 | kooldeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.24 | kooldeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.25 | paulswm | Dondurma: or /msg dpkg help for a list of topics |
| 23:19.26 | r3tr0 | karsten: what's your load look like for a proxy box? think i could run it off a soekris? |
| 23:19.27 | WiFiTux | karsten, no need for the name of the PC where is hosted? |
| 23:19.27 | kooldeb | any ideas ? |
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| 23:19.32 | Dondurma | thanks |
| 23:19.52 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.53 | r3tr0 | kooldeb: i've gotten that when exim isn't running when you try to upgrade it... |
| 23:19.59 | karsten | r3tr0: Low enough for you? ;-) |
| 23:20.05 | karsten | r3tr0: Mind, it's not doing much ATM. |
| 23:20.15 | kooldeb | r3tr0: what did u do to solve the problem ? |
| 23:20.17 | karsten | r3tr0: ...when it's pulling, it might hit 0.10. |
| 23:20.44 | Xinux | i need to make /var/www/ accessible fully to me instead of just root |
| 23:20.48 | r3tr0 | kooldeb: ungh... searching memory banks... |
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| 23:21.00 | WiFiTux | karsten, how about smb://server/printer ?? or just smb://printer/ ? |
| 23:21.16 | r3tr0 | kooldeb: i was getting it because i didn't have a /etc/init.d/exim file - try touching that? |
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| 23:21.42 | kooldeb | r3tr0: I dont need the whole exim thing |
| 23:21.57 | r3tr0 | karsten: sweet. i'm imagining putting that thing to work doing more than watching a UPS at a switch location... |
| 23:21.58 | Xinux | i need to make /var/www/ accessible fully to me instead of just root |
| 23:22.11 | simonrvn | !tell Xinux -about repeat |
| 23:22.28 | karsten | WiFiTux: Could very well be. RTFM ;-) |
| 23:22.38 | r3tr0 | kooldeb: do you just want to extract a file from the .deb? |
| 23:22.39 | Xinux | you are telling me that nobody knows the answer |
| 23:22.41 | Xinux | sad... |
| 23:22.53 | jethro | Xinux: why would you do that? |
| 23:22.53 | r3tr0 | Xinux: chgrp <whomever> /var/www |
| 23:22.55 | karsten | r3tr0: Sorry? |
| 23:22.55 | WiFiTux | karsten, got it... added smb://server the gnome thingie gave me ipp://smb://rx500/ :) |
| 23:23.08 | karsten | WiFiTux: OK. |
| 23:23.10 | kooldeb | r3tr0: I am just doing an apt-get upgrade and exim is getting on my way for some reason. I dont even need it |
| 23:23.34 | karsten | r3tr0: That box, as I said, is an old P-200, serves as gateway/firewall/NAT & apt-proxy server. |
| 23:23.41 | karsten | r3tr0: Dialup box. |
| 23:23.58 | r3tr0 | karsten: i was talking about my soekris box. sorry. |
| 23:23.59 | jethro | Xinux: use sudo to copy files, or mod_userdir. if DocumentRoot is owned by root only, it's for a good reason |
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| 23:24.16 | ja0 | #debianmexico |
| 23:24.23 | Xinux | jethro: It's my localhost folder. |
| 23:24.39 | jethro | !folder |
| 23:24.39 | dpkg | folder is, like, a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 23:24.46 | r3tr0 | kooldeb: maybe try trading exim for mail-user-agent ... i think that's what it's called. dummy package. |
| 23:24.57 | jethro | Xinux: it's not making sense to me |
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| 23:25.06 | kooldeb | r3tr0: well I dont want the exim at all, am not sure why am getting tat error to start with |
| 23:25.11 | karsten | r3tr0: WTF is soekris? |
| 23:25.15 | kooldeb | its trying to upgrade it and it complaining about it |
| 23:25.17 | Xinux | I want to not have to be a root to edit /var/www |
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| 23:25.26 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | wow installing debian is easy |
| 23:25.27 | dragonfly | how can i find the exact model of my sound card? I know it is a RealTek |
| 23:25.39 | paulswm | dragonfly: lspci |
| 23:25.44 | dragonfly | i thiink the command is like lsmod or something |
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| 23:26.00 | dragonfly | paulswm: lspci|grep snd? or just lspci? |
| 23:26.01 | r3tr0 | karsten: sorry. it's a flash-based box w/ three eth ports. i /think/ it's i386 based |
| 23:26.09 | jethro | Xinux: use chmod then |
| 23:26.11 | karsten | paulswm: Pull out the card and look at it. |
| 23:26.16 | karsten | paulswm: NM. |
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| 23:26.24 | Xinux | chmod to wat? |
| 23:26.26 | dragonfly | it's onboard |
| 23:26.26 | kooldeb | r3tr0: do u think it would help to remove the .deb files from /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 23:26.26 | karsten | dragonfly: ^^ Pull card. |
| 23:26.37 | jethro | Xinux: how 'bout /var/www ? |
| 23:26.40 | WiFiTux | karsten, this thing i think, has a bug. It located the printer but is trying to print on port 0, do you know which port might be the one to use? |
| 23:26.50 | Xinux | no no no |
| 23:26.57 | Xinux | 777 644 |
| 23:26.57 | paulswm | dragonfly: I'd just lspci and pipe it to less or just scroll back and look for it |
| 23:26.58 | Xinux | ? |
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| 23:27.07 | jethro | Xinux: my bad chown |
| 23:27.09 | r3tr0 | kooldeb: no, it's just trying to follow its post-inst instructions... |
| 23:27.15 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.17 | paulswm | !catsmite karsten |
| 23:27.18 | luulis | anyone got this error when using gaim with MSN: "Error connecting to notification server" and the connection restarts all the time? |
| 23:27.19 | r3tr0 | kooldeb: hold on, looking for that dummy package... |
| 23:27.20 | dragonfly | ok, thank you paulswm, i couldn't remember the command |
| 23:27.21 | jethro | !lart me |
| 23:27.23 | karsten | r3tr0: 3 pulls on the apt-cache server, load is 0.22 and falling. |
| 23:27.29 | dragonfly | karsten: it is built into the mobo |
| 23:27.39 | nn | luulis: client? |
| 23:27.42 | nn | ahh gaim |
| 23:27.43 | kooldeb | r3tr0: well am stuck and I cannot upgrade or install packages coz of this stupid exim :P |
| 23:27.45 | fiore2388 | Hi all, I don't know but when I run the command: mkinitrd -o initrd.img kernel-version it doesn't give errors but doesn't create the image.. |
| 23:27.51 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.05 | karsten | dragonfly: The chip will be on the mobo then. You can look at it and google the IDs. Or read your mobo specs. |
| 23:28.06 | paulswm | !qotd20 |
| 23:28.06 | dpkg | < ceige> dpkg: I'm not stupid! I use MSN! |
| 23:28.08 | nn | Microsoft's Shitty Network :) |
| 23:28.08 | jethro | :D |
| 23:28.15 | jethro | paulswm: you must be reading my mind |
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| 23:28.25 | paulswm | jethro: :) |
| 23:29.01 | r3tr0 | kooldeb: why don't you force-uninstall exim, then? i mean, if you're not using it...? |
| 23:29.04 | spoof | could ypu tell me, how change mouse X cursor theme(right way) in debian ? |
| 23:29.29 | kooldeb | r3tr0: whata would u use for that ? |
| 23:29.56 | r3tr0 | karsten: bummer. i don't think i have enough flash to run it... maybe i have a toaster around here somewhere i can peer with my blender... |
| 23:30.20 | r3tr0 | kooldeb: apt-get remove --purge <package> - but i'm sure there are prettier ways to do it. |
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| 23:30.38 | karsten | r3tr0: ?? |
| 23:30.42 | comadreja | is there kmobile in debian ? I can't find it |
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| 23:30.55 | karsten | paulswm: puttytats! |
| 23:31.05 | r3tr0 | karsten: (speaking in insanity) |
| 23:31.11 | paulswm | karsten: :D |
| 23:31.12 | fiore2388 | Ubuntu Linux sucks more than Windows XP! |
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| 23:31.21 | paulswm | I'm off, you all have a safe night |
| 23:31.23 | jethro | !troll fiore2388 |
| 23:31.27 | jethro | good night paulswm |
| 23:32.08 | paulswm | stay safe, jethro |
| 23:32.14 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | when doing an ftp install should I allow non-US software ? |
| 23:32.17 | jethro | I ll try my best, I promise |
| 23:32.24 | r3tr0 | karsten: soekris box reads 66 bogomips! (laughter) |
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| 23:32.35 | fiore2388 | Pop_pa_FrEaK, do u live in U.S.A.? |
| 23:32.40 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | nope |
| 23:32.42 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | Canada |
| 23:32.43 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | lol |
| 23:32.47 | fiore2388 | Pop_pa_FrEaK, ok, enable it. |
| 23:32.48 | prahal | Pop_pa_FrEaK: non us is empty nowadays |
| 23:32.55 | jethro | !non-us |
| 23:32.55 | dpkg | i heard non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 23:33.01 | fiore2388 | ;) |
| 23:33.04 | karsten | r3tr0: Ah... |
| 23:33.12 | fiore2388 | Pop_pa_FrEaK, I asked you for that reason. ;) |
| 23:33.23 | karsten | r3tr0: I was reading that as a dismissive term for "solaris" or something.... |
| 23:33.26 | xst | I have a debian which is totally out of ressources - for some reason. All services seems slow. A "top" shows that the cpu and memory is not heavy loaded at all, so I guess that the net-adaptor is busted. It runs almost everything: dns, samba, lprng, etc. How can I debug on this? |
| 23:33.31 | jethro | "see ..." and ? wtf is this factoid |
| 23:33.31 | fiore2388 | jethro, any idea for my initrd-tools that doesn't want work? :) |
| 23:33.43 | jethro | fiore2388: yes, just don't use initrd unless you really have to |
| 23:33.44 | Pop_pa_FrEaK | what about use-non free software ? |
| 23:33.47 | Nigel | xst: full hd? "df -h" |
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| 23:33.57 | Dondurma | how can i known if my mail outgoing port was closed bu my ISP |
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| 23:34.18 | fiore2388 | jethro, well, I'm a bit crazy, I'm using bootsplash on my Kernel and it needs the initrd image or.. it gives me an error. ;) |
| 23:34.27 | xst | Plenty of space on the hd's too :-( |
| 23:34.28 | ozzloy | !... |
| 23:34.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, ... is http://strugglers.net/rants/dots%20:(.php |
| 23:34.29 | jethro | fiore2388: ENOCLUE |
| 23:34.31 | prahal | xst: top show you the cpu, mem and "load". That show all bottlenecks (load is net and disks io) |
| 23:34.35 | fiore2388 | jethro, nothing personal, but I'm just a "difficult person". |
| 23:34.45 | karsten | r3tr0: I'd recommend ~1-2 GB storage for a decent cache. |
| 23:34.47 | comadreja | sorry to ask again, but is kmobile on debian ? |
| 23:34.55 | r3tr0 | karsten: gotcha. (titters) nah, it's like this 486 in a little teeny box. we use them to keep tabs on our UPS equipment - they have a serial port. |
| 23:35.03 | prahal | xst: especially look for the swap usage |
| 23:35.26 | jethro | fiore2388: I don't use bootsplash nor initrd, so I couldn't tell you. I like to keep it simple and stupid |
| 23:35.35 | r3tr0 | karsten: well, i'm thinking - all the proxy has to do is redirect to these other boxes, right? i mean, it doesn't /have/ to store anything? |
| 23:35.36 | beardy | comadreja: Check the package list. |
| 23:35.48 | fiore2388 | jethro, ehehe, maybe it can be the best solution. :) |
| 23:36.03 | comadreja | beardy: I checked with apt-cache and nothing appears |
| 23:36.06 | fiore2388 | jethro, anyway.. it's strange.. some month ago it works. :) |
| 23:36.08 | xst | Swap usage is 0 and the is 256 mb free ram. So I really guess that some network component is totally overloaded. But I can't figure out how to localize it |
| 23:36.09 | r3tr0 | (gets another call from a remote site losing power) |
| 23:36.11 | jethro | fiore2388: I take it as part of the unix guidelines :) |
| 23:36.17 | fiore2388 | :)) |
| 23:36.21 | prahal | fiore2388: bootsplash don't use an initrd . It needs an image in an initramfs |
| 23:36.45 | xst | When I ssh to the server the connection also simply frees quite often for some seconds |
| 23:36.58 | fiore2388 | prahal, well, if I don't build an initrd image it gives me a warning. I hate warnings. :P |
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| 23:37.31 | xst | Doesn't that sounds like problems with netcard/"some net service" ressources. |
| 23:38.01 | xst | Would a overloaded bind use a lot of CPU (would I be able to spot that problem by using top)? |
| 23:38.19 | nn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.21 | nn | err processes |
| 23:38.32 | nn | xst: could also be just slow key exchange |
| 23:38.50 | MrKeuner | hi, what was the package set name to have a system capable of compiling a source package in debian |
| 23:39.14 | fiore2388 | prahal, any idea? Why it doesn't create that stupid file? :)) |
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| 23:39.42 | karsten | r3tr0: Um. The whole idea behind apt-cache is that it *does* cache stuff. |
| 23:39.57 | karsten | r3tr0: A non-caching web proxy is useful for filtering, but not b/w management per se. |
| 23:40.14 | Epilog | hi there |
| 23:40.20 | karsten | r3tr0: You could configure a really low latency master cache, but it's not going to do much for you. |
| 23:41.44 | karsten | r3tr0: I've been running a cache here for 3 boxen for about a month (just set it up again). 883 MB usage ATM. |
| 23:41.49 | jethro | MrKeuner: dpkg-dev for the basics, you will probably need debhelper and a few others too |
| 23:41.55 | karsten | r3tr0: Largely a measure of the packages installed on local systems. |
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| 23:42.10 | r3tr0 | karsten: i hear you. right. yes. |
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| 23:42.36 | jethro | MrKeuner: I don't remember if there is a metapackage for this |
| 23:42.39 | kooldeb | r3tr0: that did not help :( |
| 23:42.54 | r3tr0 | kooldeb: what's it do instead? |
| 23:43.19 | karsten | r3tr0: The number of boxes hitting your proxy _won't_ have much effect on storage requirements. It *will* effect bandwidth. The number of packages installed on client(s) will affect storage. |
| 23:43.20 | MrKeuner | jethro/ somehow binary is not produced after a compilation with no errors |
| 23:43.23 | RedPenguin | Wait, if I installed a kernel imagine, does that mean if I do apt-get remove kernel image after it will remove the imagine? |
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| 23:43.26 | RedPenguin | *the image? |
| 23:43.30 | abydos | Is there a way to make a system's console keymap different? |
| 23:43.48 | jethro | MrKeuner: you're talking about building debian packages or just building from sources |
| 23:43.48 | abydos | There has to be, but I'm not sure how |
| 23:43.48 | jethro | ? |
| 23:43.48 | karsten | r3tr0: ...and the retention policy (how many days before stale packages are purged) will also affect it. |
| 23:43.48 | nn | MrKeuner: perhaps apt-build? |
| 23:43.48 | kooldeb | r3tr0: am running out of options, not sure what to do |
| 23:43.51 | karsten | RedPenguin: Yes. |
| 23:43.54 | jethro | MrKeuner: if the latter, you want build-essentials |
| 23:43.54 | abydos | I need to make my other box (a server) use the dvorak keymap in console mode |
| 23:43.55 | caphuso | abydos: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 23:43.58 | ultraviolet16 | trying to setup home network with a linksys router using samba.. the other computer on the network recognized this box, but how do I log into the other? |
| 23:43.59 | r3tr0 | karsten: (gets the hourglass eyes again) |
| 23:44.03 | karsten | abydos: man loadkeys |
| 23:44.08 | MrKeuner | well both doesn't give errors and both doesn't produce binaries |
| 23:44.09 | nn | i need a cheap usb dvorak kbd |
| 23:44.10 | abydos | blimey, thanks |
| 23:44.10 | jethro | MrKeuner: build-essential even |
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| 23:44.32 | beardy | !keymap |
| 23:44.32 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 23:44.45 | kooldeb | r3tr0: when I try to remove it, I get the same exact error |
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| 23:44.54 | jethro | MrKeuner: you're being vague, which is not helping much. would you mind detailing what you are actually doing? |
| 23:45.13 | abydos | I should get an actual dvorak keyboard |
| 23:45.24 | abydos | but right now I'm content with my rearranged qwerty keyboard |
| 23:45.30 | r3tr0 | kooldeb: how about forcing removal w/ dselect? |
| 23:45.34 | ultraviolet16 | trying to setup home network with a linksys router using samba.. the other computer on the network recognized this box, but how do I log into the other? |
| 23:45.34 | ecobit | i'm a little bit confused about debian's grub/menu.lst it says not to touch stuff under automagic kernel list, but where to i add append= options and vga= options? |
| 23:45.36 | r3tr0 | abydos: model M or die! |
| 23:45.38 | karsten | abydos: /usr/share/keymaps/i386/dvorak/* for console. |
| 23:45.54 | r3tr0 | abydos: keycaps rock. |
| 23:46.04 | kooldeb | r3tr0: can u tell me how ? |
| 23:46.20 | karsten | ecobit: 'kopt=' line. |
| 23:46.45 | abydos | karsten: thanks. |
| 23:46.53 | abydos | r3Fl3X: Model M? |
| 23:47.06 | abydos | r3Fl3X: I took a Belkin wireless keyboard and rearranged the keys |
| 23:47.15 | karsten | ultraviolet16: /etc/network/interfaces. Define, say, eth0: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 23:47.23 | karsten | ultraviolet16: See /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 23:47.34 | abydos | r3Fl3X: then I took an engraving tool and made the home indicators |
| 23:47.39 | r3tr0 | karsten: i see what you're saying, i run a proxy here at home... i kind of wanted to set something up for like, the grubby public to use |
| 23:47.53 | prahal | Dondurma: telnet yoursmtp smpt then follow http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q153119/ |
| 23:47.53 | r3tr0 | abydos: sweet. it needs rhinestones. |
| 23:48.03 | ecobit | so kopt=root=/dev/hda3 vga=0x317 elevator=cfq ro would work? |
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| 23:48.30 | MrKeuner | jethro/ sorry for being vague. I do not own the system just telling you people what my friend is trying to tell me. problem is he cannot produce ogmrip binary from the ogmrip source in both basic compilation way and in deb package creation using sh_make && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot. I know it is strange. |
| 23:48.37 | DaCa | if you really want to type dvorak, you shouldn't care about whats on the caps |
| 23:48.43 | r3tr0 | kooldeb: look at the help page for dselect - or use aptitude - karsten says it's the shit. |
| 23:48.58 | abydos | r3tr0: Tempting |
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| 23:49.32 | jethro | MrKeuner: he's not having any error message? |
| 23:50.05 | MrKeuner | none |
| 23:50.13 | r3tr0 | dvorak typists do it with aoeu! |
| 23:50.32 | jethro | MrKeuner: there's not much you can do without error messages, when you have a problem |
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| 23:51.08 | r3tr0 | jethro: you're obviously not wearing your error-message psychic helmet. |
| 23:51.44 | jethro | r3tr0: mine is *cursed* at the moment and I can't find any scroll of *uncurse* at the black market |
| 23:51.51 | MrKeuner | jethro/ well he says he is not getting any error messages. but yes you are basicly right. but still there might be some people who experienced a similar problem right |
| 23:52.05 | *** part/#debian dragonfly (~myemail@24-119-60-178.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 23:52.09 | jethro | MrKeuner: indeed, I just didn't, and can't help withtout error messages. sorry |
| 23:52.25 | MrKeuner | ok thanks anyway |
| 23:52.45 | kooldeb | r3tr0: ait thanks for everything |
| 23:53.05 | r3tr0 | kooldeb: luck |
| 23:53.52 | r3tr0 | karsten: see, i'd like to have several different boxes, each doing a part of the mirror - thereby distributing network and disk load. |
| 23:54.12 | r3tr0 | karsten: presuppose that i want a full mirror (even if i don't need it) |
| 23:54.54 | r3tr0 | karsten: see, the boxes will be under diffrent management. i'm trying to organise an AS-level mirror ... is that any clearer? |
| 23:55.17 | prahal | xst: you could check that you have a responsive dns with "host yourdest" . As i told you can see the load of the network with top (look a "load averge"). The "load" is the disk load and the network load mixed |
| 23:55.25 | ssb | what is this? |
| 23:55.26 | ssb | Note, selecting apt instead of libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.9 |
| 23:55.26 | ssb | apt is already the newest version. |
| 23:55.28 | *** part/#debian ultraviolet16 (~ultraviol@69.84.113.190) |
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| 23:55.44 | ssb | (i was trying to install libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.9) |
| 23:55.53 | prahal | thre is also "wa" which show time spend by the cpu waiting for io (disk) |
| 23:57.06 | prahal | fiore2388: do you sometimes read README ?-) i guess the tool was gen_initramfs though i wonder if i don't mix with gensplash |
| 23:57.33 | prahal | i would strongly suggest you to move to gensplash (and try splashy . even easier to setup) |
| 23:57.41 | chealer | ssb: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.9 is just a virtual package |
| 23:58.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 688] by debhelper |
| 23:58.35 | r3tr0 | (wonders if this is a silly idea) |
| 23:58.45 | fiore2388 | prahal, the problem is just now, as I said.. just a month ago it works.. it must only create the initrd img. :) |
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| 23:59.18 | ssb | then why i am getting: |
| 23:59.19 | ssb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.19 | ssb | E: Broken packages |
| 23:59.27 | Epilog | how can I pass all my mail in my maildir to my IMAP mail? |
